Sorry if this touches on points people have brought up before. It has been an issue I have been grappling with pretty hard recently, and wanted to know others thoughts. Seeing how damaging illiberalism has been recently in the world, with much of Europe and America seeing a rise in populism and authoritarian doctrine, I have been wondering what steps are necessary to combat this, even if they are illiberal, with a primary focus on the US bc american. The main issue is lies. Pure lies and misinformation. It is not even a debate that the majority of the right \*relies\* on, supports, and without issue, spreads lies and hate about certain populations. Espouse rhetoric for authoritarian nations, such as Russia, in order to weaken patriotism in the west/US and bolster authoritarian candidates.

Is it reasonable to make the proposition that limited illiberalism is necessary to protect liberalism? Should we impose laws and mandates on misinformation in the news and from online personalities to curb it? Is it reasonable to mandate that high-viewer personalities be required to publicly disclosed sources of financing, to show everyone who the primary funders of certain information points are? Should we limit people's ability to espouse rhetoric of fascism, specifically Nazis and supremacists?

Personally, I lean more towards yes. That these limited expansions of power and illiberalism are crucial to curbing the rise of authoritarianism in the west, and protecting liberalism in all other domains. I have no faith in the "people" or "market" in correcting these things. It ironically has just made it worse. People want fears validated, people want emotions represented. Lies and misinformation does this, and it pays well. The market encourages this rise. Sure, there are other sources pushing honesty, truth, and liberalism. But it hasn't been enough.

What are we willing to give up to ensure the prosperity of freedom?

I appreciate anyone who can provide thoughts and opinions, and give more examples of more things that could theoretically fall under more regulation, and those with valid arguments against so. Thanks

Is a little illiberalism necessary to protect liberalism?

Sorry if this touches on points people have brought up before. It has been an issue I have been grappling with pretty hard recently, and wanted to know others thoughts. Seeing how damaging illiberalism has been recently in the world, with much of Europe and America seeing a rise in populism and authoritarian doctrine, I have been wondering what steps are necessary to combat this, even if they are illiberal, with a primary focus on the US bc american. The main issue is lies. Pure lies and misinformation. It is not even a debate that the majority of the right *relies* on, supports, and without issue, spreads lies and hate about certain populations. Espouse rhetoric for authoritarian nations, such as Russia, in order to weaken patriotism in the west/US and bolster authoritarian candidates.

Is it reasonable to make the proposition that limited illiberalism is necessary to protect liberalism? Should we impose laws and mandates on misinformation in the news and from online personalities to curb it? Is it reasonable to mandate that high-viewer personalities be required to publicly disclosed sources of financing, to show everyone who the primary funders of certain information points are? Should we limit people&#39;s ability to espouse rhetoric of fascism, specifically Nazis and supremacists?

Personally, I lean more towards yes. That these limited expansions of power and illiberalism are crucial to curbing the rise of authoritarianism in the west, and protecting liberalism in all other domains. I have no faith in the &quot;people&quot; or &quot;market&quot; in correcting these things. It ironically has just made it worse. People want fears validated, people want emotions represented. Lies and misinformation does this, and it pays well. The market encourages this rise. Sure, there are other sources pushing honesty, truth, and liberalism. But it hasn&#39;t been enough.

What are we willing to give up to ensure the prosperity of freedom?

I appreciate anyone who can provide thoughts and opinions, and give more examples of more things that could theoretically fall under more regulation, and those with valid arguments against so. Thanks


An actual in the flesh black man, quoting Qanon, telling me that "pizza gate" was real, and then going into people eating cats. I didn't know know such a thing existed, but here it is, and I actually have history with this person. How do you all handle these types?

I met my first Qanon believer

An actual in the flesh black man, quoting Qanon, telling me that &quot;pizza gate&quot; was real, and then going into people eating cats. I didn&#39;t know know such a thing existed, but here it is, and I actually have history with this person. How do you all handle these types?


I suffered through Fox so you don't have to.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-cancels-overseas-trip-milton-bears-down-florida-desantis-tells-vp-its-not-about-you-kamala

DeSantis praised Biden for his response to Milton. Reasonable thing for a normal politician to do.

Kamala claimed she called him too and publicly criticized him for not answering. He said he didn't know about her call.

I don't care about the he said she said but he went on to criticize her for politicizing the hurricane. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Interesting article

I suffered through Fox so you don&#39;t have to.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-cancels-overseas-trip-milton-bears-down-florida-desantis-tells-vp-its-not-about-you-kamala

DeSantis praised Biden for his response to Milton. Reasonable thing for a normal politician to do.

Kamala claimed she called him too and publicly criticized him for not answering. He said he didn&#39;t know about her call.

I don&#39;t care about the he said she said but he went on to criticize her for politicizing the hurricane. 🤣🤣🤣🤣


https://www.reuters.com/world/us/election-officials-who-back-trumps-big-lie-stir-concern-swing-states-2024-10-08/

If you acted or even publicly expressed to deny the 2020 results, you should be banned from being on any election boards.

Is this protected by the 1st amendment?


How do we restore the vital resource of the news and news outlets? I understand that money gets in the way of most things and I also understand commercials and ads pay bills and staff. The failures of the major news orgs and the destruction of local news sources have had a huge role in the spread of misinformation over the last 20 years. There’s no real local news due to downsizing of staff but it provided a vital pipeline of information in times of need. When I (50 year old white male) have a problem chasing down the facts and not misinformation, how is my kid supposed to know how to do that when this is what he’s dealt with his entire life?

I’m so frustrated and tired of all of this.

How can we fix the news?


Finally deactivated my Twitter account, feels good.


[https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/pennsylvania/](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/pennsylvania/)

There are at least 2 right wing very biased polls that have been added.  Neither are reliable, and both are very partisan. It makes no sense why the hell Harris went from +6 to even (in the polls, not averages), in just a couple weeks unless these groups are purposely trying to pollute the averages with junk data.

I wish these sites would ignore them, this is bad science.  Every scientist knows you are supposed to ignore and refrain from including biased data. All it's doing it making things seem more hopeless than it really it is. It's making people feel like voting won't matter because they are just going to lose anyway. They are lying to Americans and I don't understand how these biased polling groups aren't committing  election interference.

Polls are being manipulated  by biased groups.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/pennsylvania/

There are at least 2 right wing very biased polls that have been added.  Neither are reliable, and both are very partisan. It makes no sense why the hell Harris went from +6 to even (in the polls, not averages), in just a couple weeks unless these groups are purposely trying to pollute the averages with junk data.

I wish these sites would ignore them, this is bad science.  Every scientist knows you are supposed to ignore and refrain from including biased data. All it&#39;s doing it making things seem more hopeless than it really it is. It&#39;s making people feel like voting won&#39;t matter because they are just going to lose anyway. They are lying to Americans and I don&#39;t understand how these biased polling groups aren&#39;t committing  election interference.


I guess it isn't too far fetched because I just googled to double check whether she was still an R or an I, and I saw a few news articles on this same topic.

I just have some Hollywood ending hope, that if the senate ends up 51-49 republican with Harris win or 50-50 with Trump win, that Murkowski switches to independent and caucuses with the dems, denying Republicans a senate majority.

It seems like she is fed up, she voted against Barrett, I would think this is her last term before retiring. Wouldn't she want to actually get good things done for the people of Alaska?

Is this too much copium? Murkowski caucuses with Dems?

I guess it isn&#39;t too far fetched because I just googled to double check whether she was still an R or an I, and I saw a few news articles on this same topic.

I just have some Hollywood ending hope, that if the senate ends up 51-49 republican with Harris win or 50-50 with Trump win, that Murkowski switches to independent and caucuses with the dems, denying Republicans a senate majority.

It seems like she is fed up, she voted against Barrett, I would think this is her last term before retiring. Wouldn&#39;t she want to actually get good things done for the people of Alaska?


Red Cross Issues Warning On Dangerous Misinformation As Trump Spreads Lies About Storm Aid


Spent my morning reading about the Republicans' rhetoric about the Helene aid. Not only is the immigrant relief funding separate from the disaster relief fund but here is the full list of Republican legislators who rejected a bill in the weeks leading up to Helene. https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-voted-against-fema-funding-1963980

It's practically election interference. Most voters who hear the Republicans will simply tune out the facts, fail to do their own research and take this as gospel.

I feel so helpless

Spent my morning reading about the Republicans&#39; rhetoric about the Helene aid. Not only is the immigrant relief funding separate from the disaster relief fund but here is the full list of Republican legislators who rejected a bill in the weeks leading up to Helene. https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-voted-against-fema-funding-1963980

It&#39;s practically election interference. Most voters who hear the Republicans will simply tune out the facts, fail to do their own research and take this as gospel.


Convicted Felon Trump only tells the truth when his mouth is shut

4 GOP Governors Refute Trump’s Hurricane Story


Trump or MTG. I mean, splitting hairs but MTG just claimed "they" can create hurricanes. As in Democrats created the hurricane for political reasons, I guess?

Not all of them, but there is so much sowing of division they partake in. Their accusations of the same by Democrats are ALL based in conspiracy and/or inferences which they can't provide evidence of.

Who's crazier?

Trump or MTG. I mean, splitting hairs but MTG just claimed &quot;they&quot; can create hurricanes. As in Democrats created the hurricane for political reasons, I guess?

Not all of them, but there is so much sowing of division they partake in. Their accusations of the same by Democrats are ALL based in conspiracy and/or inferences which they can&#39;t provide evidence of.


Inside the “Private and Confidential” Conservative Group That Promises to “Crush Liberal Dominance”


What decisions will SCOTUS make that will impact our lives for decades to  come?

Get ready America for what will surely be an experience we might want to forget..

Please [vote blue America - press here](https://www.reddit.com/r/SSDI_SSI/s/LiA9TatWUX).

The Supreme Court opens its new term with election disputes in the air but not yet on the docket

What decisions will SCOTUS make that will impact our lives for decades to  come?

Get ready America for what will surely be an experience we might want to forget..

Please vote blue America - press here.


You must watch Trump's new video posted on Truth

https://youtu.be/lIYQfyA_1Hc?feature=shared

Hopefully persuadable Christian voters will see it. He's really outdone himself. I'm an atheist Jew (ask what I mean by that before any snarky comments, if you have them) and was offended.

ICYMI

You must watch Trump&#39;s new video posted on Truth

https://youtu.be/lIYQfyA_1Hc?feature=shared

Hopefully persuadable Christian voters will see it. He&#39;s really outdone himself. I&#39;m an atheist Jew (ask what I mean by that before any snarky comments, if you have them) and was offended.


“FEMA has enough money right now for immediate response and recovery needs. If you were affected by Helene, do not hesitate to apply for disaster assistance as there is a variety of help available for different needs.“ Last updated October 3, 2024


‘A coward who can’t take the heat’: Kamala Harris wins more than just the presidential debate after Donald Trump says no to a 50-year tradition


Kinda boring debate, but..

<!-- SC_OFF --><div class="md"><p>...JD making no promises on certifying the election and pivoting to talk about censorship on social media was very telling. </p>
</div><!-- SC_ON -->


Charity?


Jimmy Carter and his hometown of Plains celebrate the 39th president's 100th birthday


His brainwashed cult members (he must be a Jedi cause that mind trick is working on half the country) will defend anything he says and does.

If you haven't heard about his press conference with Zelensky, it was absolutely disgusting. Most of it was praising Zelensky for helping him squirn out of his first impeachment, which I'm guessing is a lie. He barely spoke about the war other than saying he would end it before he even became president. And then he stood next to the man whose country is the target of a literal takeover attempt and said he was friends with Putin.

I've moved from understanding that some people will just always vote for their team to being grateful I don't know who the Trumpers are in my life because I think I would need to disown them at this point. I don't care about his policies or how amazing you think his first term was. Character absolutely means something and just cause he says our country has been destroyed and Kamala will permanently ruin it doesn't make it true. He just ran a whole ad saying that Kamala will use your tax dollars for sex change operations for prisoners, which I personally would be against too. But if THAT is big enough of a concern to  run a whole ad on it, then you can see his priorities. Because THAT is what will destroy our country, right?

Sorry for the rant.

How are they defending this one?

His brainwashed cult members (he must be a Jedi cause that mind trick is working on half the country) will defend anything he says and does.

If you haven&#39;t heard about his press conference with Zelensky, it was absolutely disgusting. Most of it was praising Zelensky for helping him squirn out of his first impeachment, which I&#39;m guessing is a lie. He barely spoke about the war other than saying he would end it before he even became president. And then he stood next to the man whose country is the target of a literal takeover attempt and said he was friends with Putin.

I&#39;ve moved from understanding that some people will just always vote for their team to being grateful I don&#39;t know who the Trumpers are in my life because I think I would need to disown them at this point. I don&#39;t care about his policies or how amazing you think his first term was. Character absolutely means something and just cause he says our country has been destroyed and Kamala will permanently ruin it doesn&#39;t make it true. He just ran a whole ad saying that Kamala will use your tax dollars for sex change operations for prisoners, which I personally would be against too. But if THAT is big enough of a concern to  run a whole ad on it, then you can see his priorities. Because THAT is what will destroy our country, right?

Sorry for the rant.


First, I got my vote in today. Excited and relieved to have it done.

On to the drama. I was in the registrar's office for maybe a total of 4 minutes. It was really fast. As I'm putting my ballot into the machine, a guy walks through the door behind me. They try pointing him to where he needs to go and he says loudly, "I'm not here to vote. I'm here to get a vote count."

A poll worker across from him asks who he is. "I'm John Smith. I'm the [important position] for the 123 congressional district GOP." I don't remember all of his credentials.

The poll worker asks if he has a letter stating his representation. John Smith repeats his long flowing title again. The poll worker says, "I heard that, but if you don't have a letter stating your representation, then you need to leave."

Clearly miffed, John Smith says, "Sorry to bother you" and heads out the door.

I have no idea if anyone can just come into the registrar's office and get early voting tallies, but something about him being there felt weird to me.

I voted today; Very odd interaction as I left.

First, I got my vote in today. Excited and relieved to have it done.

On to the drama. I was in the registrar&#39;s office for maybe a total of 4 minutes. It was really fast. As I&#39;m putting my ballot into the machine, a guy walks through the door behind me. They try pointing him to where he needs to go and he says loudly, &quot;I&#39;m not here to vote. I&#39;m here to get a vote count.&quot;

A poll worker across from him asks who he is. &quot;I&#39;m John Smith. I&#39;m the [important position] for the 123 congressional district GOP.&quot; I don&#39;t remember all of his credentials.

The poll worker asks if he has a letter stating his representation. John Smith repeats his long flowing title again. The poll worker says, &quot;I heard that, but if you don&#39;t have a letter stating your representation, then you need to leave.&quot;

Clearly miffed, John Smith says, &quot;Sorry to bother you&quot; and heads out the door.

I have no idea if anyone can just come into the registrar&#39;s office and get early voting tallies, but something about him being there felt weird to me.


Looking at the Helene devastation I’m wondering if the people there will be grateful to the blue states considering how much federal aid they’ll be receiving which is primarily funded by blue state taxes.

Federal aid to Helene ravaged red states.


The core group of friends around my wife and I are all Harris/Walz supporters, but they are so unbelievably pessimistic about their chances of winning. They all but resign themselves to a Trump presidency.

Is anyone else feeling like this? My wife and I both feel more optimistic than we have in a very long time.

I'm surrounded by election pessimists.


‘Why Would You Even Cover That?’ Nancy Pelosi Pushes Back on CNN’s Jake Tapper for Bringing Up Trump’s Comments on Kamala Harris


I'm 33. My dad is a Trumper and an idiot. Well... he's smart in the way he's invested. He made a lot as an electrician and is retired. But my god, he's a fucking dumbass when it comes to Trump. He touts the same bullshit every Trumper does about how his investments were better under Trump.

My dude, you own a HOUSE. You live a pretty decent fucking lifestyle from where I'm sitting. I got what, $8k at the ready in case shit goes down for me? And if said shit is more than $8k I'm just boned. Trump didn't help your investments and Biden didn't hurt them either you absolute twat.

I'm an adult. I realize that the president is not the arbiter of the economy. So why, WHY, in the ever loving fuck is it my DAD of all things acting like this dickbag is going to solve his "problems" that he doesn't actually have?

My problems are my own and I fucking OWN THEM. I better myself to make better wages. I study for certifications... I speak Japanese at a goddamn business level now. But my dad is over here whining in his little ivory tower about how much better his investments were. Motherfucker, I drive a '99 SUV with over 230k miles on it with a check engine light on asshole...

I say that lovingly, I swear. Love my dad, hate his dumbass beliefs. But my god, I wish he'd wake up. But my brother and I have both tried talking sense into him and he just won't see it. This is the same dude who would tell you to grow up and solve your own problems, yet is relying on Trump to solve his own.

Hypocrisy at its finest.

This current election makes me feel like a kid sitting at the grownups table telling all of them to grow the fuck up.

I&#39;m 33. My dad is a Trumper and an idiot. Well... he&#39;s smart in the way he&#39;s invested. He made a lot as an electrician and is retired. But my god, he&#39;s a fucking dumbass when it comes to Trump. He touts the same bullshit every Trumper does about how his investments were better under Trump.

My dude, you own a HOUSE. You live a pretty decent fucking lifestyle from where I&#39;m sitting. I got what, $8k at the ready in case shit goes down for me? And if said shit is more than $8k I&#39;m just boned. Trump didn&#39;t help your investments and Biden didn&#39;t hurt them either you absolute twat.

I&#39;m an adult. I realize that the president is not the arbiter of the economy. So why, WHY, in the ever loving fuck is it my DAD of all things acting like this dickbag is going to solve his &quot;problems&quot; that he doesn&#39;t actually have?

My problems are my own and I fucking OWN THEM. I better myself to make better wages. I study for certifications... I speak Japanese at a goddamn business level now. But my dad is over here whining in his little ivory tower about how much better his investments were. Motherfucker, I drive a &#39;99 SUV with over 230k miles on it with a check engine light on asshole...

I say that lovingly, I swear. Love my dad, hate his dumbass beliefs. But my god, I wish he&#39;d wake up. But my brother and I have both tried talking sense into him and he just won&#39;t see it. This is the same dude who would tell you to grow up and solve your own problems, yet is relying on Trump to solve his own.

Hypocrisy at its finest.


Major Conservative Poll Cited by Media Secretly Worked With Trump Team; Leaked emails reveal the truth about Rasmussen Reports—and the way the Trump campaign is breaking election law.


Harris Accuses Trump Of Playing 'Political Games' On Immigration


I’ll start with a topical one: Google. He now wants to prosecute them for only showing “bad stories” about him. Now you go.

Let’s do it. I believe in us. Let’s make a master list of every single person, business, or group that Trump is being so unfairly treated by, according to him. One thing per comment!


https://gettrumpwatches.com/products/tourbillon-black-gold

Last line of the disclaimer 🤣:
These watches are not political and have nothing to do with any political campaign

No MAGAs, this is totally presidential


This one?  Doesn't really add all that much to what is already known about him.

[https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/read-the-jd-vance-dossier](https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/read-the-jd-vance-dossier)

quote:

***So the document is clearly newsworthy, providing Republican Party and conservative doctrine insight into what the Trump campaign perceives to be Vance’s liabilities and weaknesses. Those perceptions provide clues about what a campaign of remarkably little substance might actually think.***

What's all that talk about a JD Vance dossier?

This one?  Doesn&#39;t really add all that much to what is already known about him.

https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/read-the-jd-vance-dossier

quote:

So the document is clearly newsworthy, providing Republican Party and conservative doctrine insight into what the Trump campaign perceives to be Vance’s liabilities and weaknesses. Those perceptions provide clues about what a campaign of remarkably little substance might actually think.


What are the chances of something like that happening? That it will be too close to tell, and it will be taken to the SC? Who will then obviously side with Trump.

It's insane this is even a possibility. I seriously don't understand how its even this close. Wtf is wrong with this country? And I mean the UNCOMMITTED left too. How can you even consider yourself part of the left and think Harris is somehow just as bad or worse than Trump? How are they this unaware of Project 2025?

What makes me worry is because of  how close the polls are, how every model is predicting it will be incredibly close.

Why the hell has Georgia seemingly flipped back (I hope the polls are actually wrong) to Trump, and Pennsylvania, a traditionally blue state, is now suddenly purple?

How the hell do polls keep changing so much in the first place? I refuse to believe that people are changing their minds every other week. This doesn't make any sense, even if you are a Trump supporter you should see this doesn't make sense.

But with mail in voting, i'm concerned they might try and pull something like b v g again.  Is there actually any chance, even if it's close for them to do something like that?

Chances of another Bush v Gore?

What are the chances of something like that happening? That it will be too close to tell, and it will be taken to the SC? Who will then obviously side with Trump.

It&#39;s insane this is even a possibility. I seriously don&#39;t understand how its even this close. Wtf is wrong with this country? And I mean the UNCOMMITTED left too. How can you even consider yourself part of the left and think Harris is somehow just as bad or worse than Trump? How are they this unaware of Project 2025?

What makes me worry is because of  how close the polls are, how every model is predicting it will be incredibly close.

Why the hell has Georgia seemingly flipped back (I hope the polls are actually wrong) to Trump, and Pennsylvania, a traditionally blue state, is now suddenly purple?

How the hell do polls keep changing so much in the first place? I refuse to believe that people are changing their minds every other week. This doesn&#39;t make any sense, even if you are a Trump supporter you should see this doesn&#39;t make sense.

But with mail in voting, i&#39;m concerned they might try and pull something like b v g again.  Is there actually any chance, even if it&#39;s close for them to do something like that?


It's truly unbelievable how far some people will go to vote for their party. Self-dubbed Black Nazi, Holocaust denier, who thinks bringing slavery back is a good idea and he'd have a couple himself, who Trump once called MLK on steroids, is still polling at 43% in his bid to become governor in NC.

Mark Robinson down but not out

It&#39;s truly unbelievable how far some people will go to vote for their party. Self-dubbed Black Nazi, Holocaust denier, who thinks bringing slavery back is a good idea and he&#39;d have a couple himself, who Trump once called MLK on steroids, is still polling at 43% in his bid to become governor in NC.


Among the gems she apparently dropped:
- there wasn't enough discussion on main stream media about his first assassination attempt. "There were a few days of reporting and then everything went quiet"
What news outlets was she watching? It was 24/7 for a week, plus a hearing on the secret service.
- during the raid on Mar a Lago in 2022, she was upset they went through her stuff.
Yep, that's why it's called a raid.

Melania interviews on Fox 🤣

Among the gems she apparently dropped:
- there wasn&#39;t enough discussion on main stream media about his first assassination attempt. &quot;There were a few days of reporting and then everything went quiet&quot;
What news outlets was she watching? It was 24/7 for a week, plus a hearing on the secret service.
- during the raid on Mar a Lago in 2022, she was upset they went through her stuff.
Yep, that&#39;s why it&#39;s called a raid.


'Deeply anti-American': Trump calls for jailing Supreme Court critics


Many Americans say immigration is out of control, but 24 hours on the Texas-Mexico border showed a new reality. Will it last?


Tell your U.S. House representative: Vote no on the "Fix Our Forests Act" - Environmental Action


Nevadans have cast first votes of the 2024 general election; For the first time in history, Native American voters in Nevada cast ballots through the state’s online absentee voting system.


Even moderately intelligent people have known for the past 2 decades that he has, and always will be, a slimy businessman out for himself.

If you haven't heard his commercial for his new coin, it's a hoot. He's straight up selling those collectible coins that con elderly people at 3 am on cable TV infomercials. It's so frustrating that his base is too dumb to see this for what it is.

I invite any MAGA trolls here to spin this one as a positive for me.

He's not even hiding it anymore

Even moderately intelligent people have known for the past 2 decades that he has, and always will be, a slimy businessman out for himself.

If you haven&#39;t heard his commercial for his new coin, it&#39;s a hoot. He&#39;s straight up selling those collectible coins that con elderly people at 3 am on cable TV infomercials. It&#39;s so frustrating that his base is too dumb to see this for what it is.

I invite any MAGA trolls here to spin this one as a positive for me.


Trump in response to if he'll run again in 2028 if he loses.
“I think that that will be, that will be it. I don’t see that at all. I think that hopefully we’re going to be successful.”

Is he actually conceding he may lose? Or is he just saying if Democrats cheat and he isn't president?

Sign if the apocalypse?

Trump in response to if he&#39;ll run again in 2028 if he loses.
“I think that that will be, that will be it. I don’t see that at all. I think that hopefully we’re going to be successful.”

Is he actually conceding he may lose? Or is he just saying if Democrats cheat and he isn&#39;t president?


Is it turning into the Alabama of the north?  The supposed social media spokesperson of the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire has posted total RWNJ lunacy on (former) twitter.  Since the 2020 election, multiple polls have shown more than half of New Hampshire Republican voters believe President Joe Biden’s win was stolen.

Is New Hampshire turning into some sort of nutjob outpost?

What's the deal with New Hampshire?


The FBI just released 2023's crime data. Looks like things aren't as bad as Trump would have us believe. [https://www.newsweek.com/violent-crime-dropped-2023-fbi-1957998](https://www.newsweek.com/violent-crime-dropped-2023-fbi-1957998)

Violent Crime Dropped in 2023 Despite Trump Saying Crime 'Through the Roof'

The FBI just released 2023&#39;s crime data. Looks like things aren&#39;t as bad as Trump would have us believe. https://www.newsweek.com/violent-crime-dropped-2023-fbi-1957998


Now he's saying he'll go away if he loses this election. Do not believe him. Hell definitely try again. We can't be doing this every 4 years until he dies. It's fucking insane.

https://www.axios.com/2024/09/22/trump-2028-presidential-election

Vote like hell so there's no way they can deny it this time.

If it's not Trump it'll be one of his kids next. If he loses big his entire dynasty loses big.

Never forget Trump said he'd go away if he lost 2020 too .

Now he&#39;s saying he&#39;ll go away if he loses this election. Do not believe him. Hell definitely try again. We can&#39;t be doing this every 4 years until he dies. It&#39;s fucking insane.

https://www.axios.com/2024/09/22/trump-2028-presidential-election

Vote like hell so there&#39;s no way they can deny it this time.

If it&#39;s not Trump it&#39;ll be one of his kids next. If he loses big his entire dynasty loses big.


What is everyone’s thoughts on this? I’m really enjoying it. I’ve always been bothered by the notion that the people claiming to be freedom loving patriots have also been forcing their christrofascist beliefs onto everyone with legislation.

Harris’ conservative culture play


Donald Trump on Fox & Friends:
"Look, we’re under siege and no country has ever suffered like we have for the last three-and-a-half, almost four years,"

Compassionate as always . I could name 20-30 countries today that would disagree but might as well start with Ukraine. And he mentions "ever". Perhaps he never heard of WW2, Vietnam, Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge (he probably think Pol Pot is a brand of kitchenware).

Always speaking in superlatives

Donald Trump on Fox &amp; Friends:
&quot;Look, we’re under siege and no country has ever suffered like we have for the last three-and-a-half, almost four years,&quot;

Compassionate as always . I could name 20-30 countries today that would disagree but might as well start with Ukraine. And he mentions &quot;ever&quot;. Perhaps he never heard of WW2, Vietnam, Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge (he probably think Pol Pot is a brand of kitchenware).


Harris is spending - and raising - way more than Trump


Trump says if he loses election to Harris, "Jewish people would have a lot to do with that"


In a video about the swing states and the candidates' campaigns in Pennsylvania, there was a sign saying "Text Trump to 88022". I wonder what would happen if you text "Harris" to 88022 instead.

What happens if you text "Harris" to 88022?

In a video about the swing states and the candidates&#39; campaigns in Pennsylvania, there was a sign saying &quot;Text Trump to 88022&quot;. I wonder what would happen if you text &quot;Harris&quot; to 88022 instead.


I will preface this by saying that I realize that this is probably an unpopular opinion. I am also just explaining my experience. I'm a liberal Democrat living in a swing state in the Great Lakes region. My friends, family, and co-workers have a wide range of political beliefs and have various backgrounds. One interesting thing that I've noticed is that a lot of liberal Democrats have what I feel like is a warped view of what attracts people to Trump and the Republican party now a days. I'll admit that I had these same beliefs for a long time, but in talking to especially more a-political / moderate independents, it just doesn't seem to be holding up.

Online it seems like a lot of liberal Democrats think that it's just obvious that Democrats are the better choice economically for people who are not in the top 10% income wise. And pretty much better on every other quality of life issue. And therefore assume that any white a-political / independent / really anyone attracted to Trump and Republicans must be attracted to Trump due to his social policies and rhetoric on things like immigration, race, LGBTQ, etc.

I think this is a huge disconnect between what Democrats think attract swing voters to Trump and what actually does. Pretty much all of the radio, tv, and print commercials I'm hearing / reading for Trump focus on the economy.

Another big thing is this idea that Democrats ruin the quality of life in a place. There seems to be a disconnect where Republicans talk about impact (often in an anecdotal way) / perceived quality of life and Democrats talk about policies / ideals and sometimes data (that is often disconnected from anecdotal impact). This leads to the whole geographic thing. I can't tell you how many times I've heard something like "Kamala Harris is a Californian liberal. Liberals took states like California, New York, Illinois, Michigan, Pennsylvania (I just saw a comment about liberals destroying Connecticut), etc., and have ruined them. "Red states" like Texas, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida, Kansas, Tennessee, etc., are all doing so much better and they are doing better because of the people, policies, and politics. Democrats in turn tend to just try to either claim these red states as being more blue (or highlight blue cities in them) or say that the "failing" states are actually more conservative than people think. Or they might trot out a list of data showing "blue" states doing objectively better than "red" states. But Republicans are quick to say that basically all Red states that have negative data have negative data because of the Federal government and the civil war. At least where I live there is a pretty common belief (that trends across political beliefs) that the "liberal" states I mentioned are way worse than the "red" states I mentioned and that this due to the people, politics, and policies of those places (and that naturally/historically those liberal places should be much better and the red places much worse). Also that while Republicans may control "liberal" states mentioned (and Democrats "red" states I mentioned), this doesn't overcome the idea that the "liberal" states are liberal (and their destruction rests at the hands of the Democrats) and the "red" states are conservative (and their success rests at the hands of Republicans).

 I have come across numerous people who say they dislike Trump and a lot of the Republican's messaging but that Republicans just govern better. I get that different personalities are attracted to different parties. And that it's more natural for Republicans to demonize entire states and cities than it is for Democrats. I also get that again probably due to the types of people the Democratic party attracts, Democrats tend to focus on data and policies /ideology. I just wish that Democrats would start focusing how how Republicans have ruined the quality of life for average Americans in places that are both actually controlled by Republican politicians AND are considered "red" for the average American. Because Republicans are sure doing that in reverse and it's resonating a lot with swing voters.

Democrats emphasize policy and ideals vs results / impact too much. Democrats are also unwilling to highlight "geographic wins".

I will preface this by saying that I realize that this is probably an unpopular opinion. I am also just explaining my experience. I&#39;m a liberal Democrat living in a swing state in the Great Lakes region. My friends, family, and co-workers have a wide range of political beliefs and have various backgrounds. One interesting thing that I&#39;ve noticed is that a lot of liberal Democrats have what I feel like is a warped view of what attracts people to Trump and the Republican party now a days. I&#39;ll admit that I had these same beliefs for a long time, but in talking to especially more a-political / moderate independents, it just doesn&#39;t seem to be holding up.

Online it seems like a lot of liberal Democrats think that it&#39;s just obvious that Democrats are the better choice economically for people who are not in the top 10% income wise. And pretty much better on every other quality of life issue. And therefore assume that any white a-political / independent / really anyone attracted to Trump and Republicans must be attracted to Trump due to his social policies and rhetoric on things like immigration, race, LGBTQ, etc.

I think this is a huge disconnect between what Democrats think attract swing voters to Trump and what actually does. Pretty much all of the radio, tv, and print commercials I&#39;m hearing / reading for Trump focus on the economy.

Another big thing is this idea that Democrats ruin the quality of life in a place. There seems to be a disconnect where Republicans talk about impact (often in an anecdotal way) / perceived quality of life and Democrats talk about policies / ideals and sometimes data (that is often disconnected from anecdotal impact). This leads to the whole geographic thing. I can&#39;t tell you how many times I&#39;ve heard something like &quot;Kamala Harris is a Californian liberal. Liberals took states like California, New York, Illinois, Michigan, Pennsylvania (I just saw a comment about liberals destroying Connecticut), etc., and have ruined them. &quot;Red states&quot; like Texas, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida, Kansas, Tennessee, etc., are all doing so much better and they are doing better because of the people, policies, and politics. Democrats in turn tend to just try to either claim these red states as being more blue (or highlight blue cities in them) or say that the &quot;failing&quot; states are actually more conservative than people think. Or they might trot out a list of data showing &quot;blue&quot; states doing objectively better than &quot;red&quot; states. But Republicans are quick to say that basically all Red states that have negative data have negative data because of the Federal government and the civil war. At least where I live there is a pretty common belief (that trends across political beliefs) that the &quot;liberal&quot; states I mentioned are way worse than the &quot;red&quot; states I mentioned and that this due to the people, politics, and policies of those places (and that naturally/historically those liberal places should be much better and the red places much worse). Also that while Republicans may control &quot;liberal&quot; states mentioned (and Democrats &quot;red&quot; states I mentioned), this doesn&#39;t overcome the idea that the &quot;liberal&quot; states are liberal (and their destruction rests at the hands of the Democrats) and the &quot;red&quot; states are conservative (and their success rests at the hands of Republicans).

I have come across numerous people who say they dislike Trump and a lot of the Republican&#39;s messaging but that Republicans just govern better. I get that different personalities are attracted to different parties. And that it&#39;s more natural for Republicans to demonize entire states and cities than it is for Democrats. I also get that again probably due to the types of people the Democratic party attracts, Democrats tend to focus on data and policies /ideology. I just wish that Democrats would start focusing how how Republicans have ruined the quality of life for average Americans in places that are both actually controlled by Republican politicians AND are considered &quot;red&quot; for the average American. Because Republicans are sure doing that in reverse and it&#39;s resonating a lot with swing voters.


What's your favorite pizza? Are you fapping later tonight?

If you were a reporter what "hard beating" questions would you ask Mark Robinson?

What&#39;s your favorite pizza? Are you fapping later tonight?


The people cheering is just the icing on the cake. https://youtube.com/shorts/E073MmKUW3Q?feature=shared

Literally the funniest shit I've heard in years


A family member cautioned on Facebook that inflation is real, showing a screenshot of a billing statement going g back 5 years, and we should think before we vote with our "emotions". So badly want to have a conversation about emotions vs. conscience - you know,  moral compass, sense of right and wrong, respect for other people. Even if you believe the president can cause, or fix, inflation it's not all about your wallet.

Emotions vs. Conscience

A family member cautioned on Facebook that inflation is real, showing a screenshot of a billing statement going g back 5 years, and we should think before we vote with our &quot;emotions&quot;. So badly want to have a conversation about emotions vs. conscience - you know,  moral compass, sense of right and wrong, respect for other people. Even if you believe the president can cause, or fix, inflation it&#39;s not all about your wallet.


My dad is upset about the immigrant pet killing sensationalism, all the while he is busy indiscriminately killing any animals that venture onto his property. My neighbor does it to.  When a local cat went missing I assumed its demise was the poison in my neighbor's yard.  When people accuse certain groups, such as Haitian immigrants in Springfield, of eating pets or other animals, it seems hypocritical not to also acknowledge the practices of individuals who indiscriminately kill animals, including wildlife, simply for stepping onto their property. Republicans are not talking about respect for life. Why it's socially acceptable for my conservative dad to poison or shoot animals for property protection (or even sport for that matter), while condemning another group (illegals brought here by Harris) for consuming animals as a means of survival or tradition? In both cases, animals are being killed (except that in only one case are they being killed), yet only one practice is sensationalized.

How is My Neighbor’s Indiscriminate Killing of Animals Different from What Haitian Immigrants are Being Accused Of?

My dad is upset about the immigrant pet killing sensationalism, all the while he is busy indiscriminately killing any animals that venture onto his property. My neighbor does it to.  When a local cat went missing I assumed its demise was the poison in my neighbor&#39;s yard.  When people accuse certain groups, such as Haitian immigrants in Springfield, of eating pets or other animals, it seems hypocritical not to also acknowledge the practices of individuals who indiscriminately kill animals, including wildlife, simply for stepping onto their property. Republicans are not talking about respect for life. Why it&#39;s socially acceptable for my conservative dad to poison or shoot animals for property protection (or even sport for that matter), while condemning another group (illegals brought here by Harris) for consuming animals as a means of survival or tradition? In both cases, animals are being killed (except that in only one case are they being killed), yet only one practice is sensationalized.


Does anyone know how to get tickets to a rally or event?

Reproductive Freedom Tour


Because I'm actually hoping they do it.

I don't see how this would help his polls in any way if it's entirely because of the Republicans.

Would a shutdown hurt Trump?

Because I&#39;m actually hoping they do it.

I don&#39;t see how this would help his polls in any way if it&#39;s entirely because of the Republicans.


It's the only way I can wrap my head around the america first party leaning pro fascism. What do you think?

Are Americans treating politics like sports?

It&#39;s the only way I can wrap my head around the america first party leaning pro fascism. What do you think?


Elon Musk Is a National Security Risk


In response to Trump blaming Biden/Harris for the assassination attempt by calling him a threat to democracy, and Vance pleading for toning down the rhetoric, Trump calls Harris the "real threat to this country".

Undecided voters really don't pay attention do they?

WTF is wrong with undecided voters?

In response to Trump blaming Biden/Harris for the assassination attempt by calling him a threat to democracy, and Vance pleading for toning down the rhetoric, Trump calls Harris the &quot;real threat to this country&quot;.

Undecided voters really don&#39;t pay attention do they?


The full quote is “The big difference between conservatives and liberals is that no one has tried to kill Kamala Harris in the last couple of months.” There is so much wrong with this on so many levels. Assassination “attempts” are not political issues… especially when both accused shooters were Trump supporters.  He then immediately said the rhetoric needed to be toned down. As if he didn’t just use the most vile rhetoric possible.

JD Vance in Georgia, tonight: “…no one has tried to kill Kamala Harris.”


Think before you post, people. Too little too late
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/-just-exploded-springfield-woman-says-never-meant-spark-rumors-haitian-rcna171099

The internet is forever...


Quote from JD Vance on why Trump almost got shot again...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Vance told the audience to take the opportunity “to call for a reduction in the ridicule and inflammatory political rhetoric coming from too many corners of our politics.”

You can't make this up


I'm seriously considering  switching to independent or republican out of fear, not that I am one, and I'm sure as hell not voting Trump.  So I  was wondering if its legal to still vote for Democrats and Harris if I do?

I'm just terrified i'll have my Medicaid taken away because I no longer meet their "qualifications", when in actuality it's an excuse to punish registered democrats.

Edit: So thanks for the info, the only thing that has me hesitant is local elections. I would like to still vote in those.

Can you vote for a different candidate even if you are registered as a different party?

I&#39;m seriously considering  switching to independent or republican out of fear, not that I am one, and I&#39;m sure as hell not voting Trump.  So I  was wondering if its legal to still vote for Democrats and Harris if I do?

I&#39;m just terrified i&#39;ll have my Medicaid taken away because I no longer meet their &quot;qualifications&quot;, when in actuality it&#39;s an excuse to punish registered democrats.

Edit: So thanks for the info, the only thing that has me hesitant is local elections. I would like to still vote in those.


Isn't It funny the right thinks stochastic terrorism is real now?

JD Vance thinks the rhetoric should be toned down because "someone is gonna get hurt".

Oh, OH REALLY?

Stop calling random lgbt people "groomers"

Stop calling liberal demons.

Stop calling immigrants rapists and human traffickers.

AFTER YEARS OF THEM SAYING STOCHASTIC TERRORISM ISN'T REAL, NOW THEY THINK IT'S REAL BECAUSE TRUMPY GOT SHOT.

They're such fucking losers.

Isn't Funny That The Right Thinks Stochastic terrorism is Real Now???

Isn&#39;t It funny the right thinks stochastic terrorism is real now?

JD Vance thinks the rhetoric should be toned down because &quot;someone is gonna get hurt&quot;.

Oh, OH REALLY?

Stop calling random lgbt people &quot;groomers&quot;

Stop calling liberal demons.

Stop calling immigrants rapists and human traffickers.

AFTER YEARS OF THEM SAYING STOCHASTIC TERRORISM ISN&#39;T REAL, NOW THEY THINK IT&#39;S REAL BECAUSE TRUMPY GOT SHOT.

They&#39;re such fucking losers.


Arguments Against Taxing Unrealized Capital Gains of Very Wealthy Fall Flat


Democrats build momentum in Texas Senate race


And no one is even trying to assassinate Biden/Kamala 🤔,” Musk wrote in the now-deleted X post.

I don't condone assassination attempts but are they so fucking blind that they can't see he may be the most divisive high level politician in our history? Add a "healthy" gun culture and social media and this can happen.

Only the rightest of the right think Harris/Biden are an actual threat to the fabric of our country while Republicans are endorsing Harris in droves.

Elon is public enemy putz #1

And no one is even trying to assassinate Biden/Kamala 🤔,” Musk wrote in the now-deleted X post.

I don&#39;t condone assassination attempts but are they so fucking blind that they can&#39;t see he may be the most divisive high level politician in our history? Add a &quot;healthy&quot; gun culture and social media and this can happen.

Only the rightest of the right think Harris/Biden are an actual threat to the fabric of our country while Republicans are endorsing Harris in droves.


The first graders who survived Sandy Hook will vote in their first presidential election; "Ehrens, Fischer and two other first grade Sandy Hook survivors who spoke to NBC News said they are hoping to turn the tide by electing Vice President Kamala Harris as president."


I’m from Utah, therefore I am surrounded by not just Republicans but die hard Trump supporters. Everyday I have family members sending me Instagram shorts about Harris and Democrats, all of which are either misleading or completely false. Why don’t these Trump followers ever fact check anything?

MAGA Logic:
- Any news outlet is fake news. Disregard journalist integrity. Any fact checker is bought out by liberal elites, so are all the polls and stats regarding anything to that belittles Trump.
- Anything on the dark web or social media promoting Trump is real news.

Shoot. They are even starting to say Fox News isn’t a reliable news source.

The absolute ignorance is both mind-blowing and frustrating. Is it even worth the fight to try to fact check and correct them or should I just give up?

Republicans Just Don’t Fact Check…


Taylor Swift's endorsement of Harris will probably hurt her in the marketplace. Spoken like a true failed businessman.

Arguably the most delusional thing he's ever said

Taylor Swift&#39;s endorsement of Harris will probably hurt her in the marketplace. Spoken like a true failed businessman.


Am I the only one who watched the first seasons of SNL?

Why isn't anyone calling her Lisa Loopner?


Just heard Springfield, Ohio had to close schools cause of bomb threats. And they keep doubling down on the pet comments. Way to help push the dialogue forward.

This is what domestic terrorism looks like


I was heartened by all the Pride flags in Ogunquit; but at a variety store 3 miles away, they were selling MAGA hats.  The clerk said they were selling briskly…is Maine as roiling-purple as Ohio?

Visiting Maine (from Ohio) this week…


A lie being spread by Convicted Felon Candidate Trump is meant to cause his sycophants, supporters and others (people who never investigate his alternative facts) that non-citizens are voting enmasse in presidential elections.

So not true!

It's fear-mongering from Convicted Felon Candidate Trump.

A current law exists banning non-citizens from voting:

>*The truth, however, is that noncitizens have been barred from voting in federal elections since 1924. In addition, in 1996, Congress made noncitizen voting in federal elections a crime punishable by fines and imprisonment.*

How Trump is relying on a racist conspiracy theory to question election results

A lie being spread by Convicted Felon Candidate Trump is meant to cause his sycophants, supporters and others (people who never investigate his alternative facts) that non-citizens are voting enmasse in presidential elections.

So not true!

It&#39;s fear-mongering from Convicted Felon Candidate Trump.

A current law exists banning non-citizens from voting:

The truth, however, is that noncitizens have been barred from voting in federal elections since 1924. In addition, in 1996, Congress made noncitizen voting in federal elections a crime punishable by fines and imprisonment.


Harris Exposed How Easy Trump Is to Manipulate. Dictators Have Known This for a Long Time.


All across social media and right-wing sites, I see the MAGA crowd doubling down on some of the more extreme Trump talking points. There seems to be this idea that if they can just prove that an immigrant ate a cat or that something sad happened to an aborted fetus at some point, suddenly Trump will be proven right about everything and the polls will flip.

However, the conventional wisdom is that Trump should have focused on policy during the debate, because the weirder comments only appeal to his base and do nothing to persuade undecided voters. Kamala baited him, specifically so he would focus on this nonsense instead of policy. So if that's the case, why continue to push a losing narrative?

Am I missing something, or are these people just playing into Kamala Harris' hands? Like, isn't this exactly the kind of nonsense that turns people off and distracts from the things undecided voters actually care about? And if so, what are they trying to accomplish?

Are MAGA defenders helping or hurting Trump at this point?

All across social media and right-wing sites, I see the MAGA crowd doubling down on some of the more extreme Trump talking points. There seems to be this idea that if they can just prove that an immigrant ate a cat or that something sad happened to an aborted fetus at some point, suddenly Trump will be proven right about everything and the polls will flip.

However, the conventional wisdom is that Trump should have focused on policy during the debate, because the weirder comments only appeal to his base and do nothing to persuade undecided voters. Kamala baited him, specifically so he would focus on this nonsense instead of policy. So if that&#39;s the case, why continue to push a losing narrative?

Am I missing something, or are these people just playing into Kamala Harris&#39; hands? Like, isn&#39;t this exactly the kind of nonsense that turns people off and distracts from the things undecided voters actually care about? And if so, what are they trying to accomplish?


I’m listening to North Carolina undecided voters being interviewed after the debate and I honestly think I lost braincells listening to them.

I don’t want to be mean, but do undecided voters have brain damage?


Trump says he won’t participate in any more presidential debates with Harris... because, of course he won't.


Expert says ‘big chunk’ of Project 2025 could become policy during second Trump presidency


The truth has a well known liberal bias.

They're eating cats and dogs. I saw it on TV!


[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z67WCP8u7Yk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z67WCP8u7Yk)

how does this make any sense?

"she could of done something'

What? She's not the president. And something about what?

"no good choices"

Yeah I think voting to save democracy and for someone who actually has a plan is a better choice than a racist rapist with no plan. Only "concepts"

"She didn't talk about her policies"

Yes she did. She gave a bullet point list of them.

Trump just said he has "concepts of a plan"

What is the matter with these people? How after January 6th is this even a question for them?

Edit: also what the absolute hell is with everyone saying Trump "actually did good" now?

How short are your memories? May I remind you of "Sphere's of Terra" "concepts of a plan", "they're eating the dogs", him siding and defending dictators? His absolutely horrible racist rant?

It's insane there are still "undecided" voters. Especially after last night

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z67WCP8u7Yk

how does this make any sense?

&quot;she could of done something&#39;

What? She&#39;s not the president. And something about what?

&quot;no good choices&quot;

Yeah I think voting to save democracy and for someone who actually has a plan is a better choice than a racist rapist with no plan. Only &quot;concepts&quot;

&quot;She didn&#39;t talk about her policies&quot;

Yes she did. She gave a bullet point list of them.

Trump just said he has &quot;concepts of a plan&quot;

What is the matter with these people? How after January 6th is this even a question for them?

Edit: also what the absolute hell is with everyone saying Trump &quot;actually did good&quot; now?

How short are your memories? May I remind you of &quot;Sphere&#39;s of Terra&quot; &quot;concepts of a plan&quot;, &quot;they&#39;re eating the dogs&quot;, him siding and defending dictators? His absolutely horrible racist rant?


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Convicted Felon Candidate Trump does not like being fact checked.

And? Using it as an excuse to bash everyone involved.

Trump insists he won debate, says another ‘probably won’t happen’


From the Inbox:

> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>
> September 10, 2024
>
> **Everyone Is Saying: Donald Trump Lost It**
>
> Tonight on the debate stage, Donald Trump showed the American people just how unhinged he is – in his own words.
>
> Vice President Harris [called him out on abortion](https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1833679452477264278), and it was downhill from there.
>
> He [rambled](https://x.com/Acyn/status/1833680606682820708) and [yelled](https://x.com/BarryMarkson1/status/1833681055758639437).
>
> He appeared visibly “[angry, disorganized and frazzled](https://x.com/SophiaCai99/status/1833688107092234543).”
>
> He [couldn’t lay out a single solution](https://twitter.com/KamalaHQ/status/1833697264671310182) for the American people, because the only plan Trump has is his Project 2025 agenda to raise costs on the middle class and take America backwards.
>
> Republicans are already calling the debate a “[disaster](https://x.com/KellieMeyerNews/status/1833691620274802970)” for Trump.
>
> In case you missed it, key moments from tonight:
>
> * Trump [again refused to acknowledge](https://x.com/atrupar/status/1833685715202253051) he lost the 2020 election
>
> * Trump [wouldn’t say](https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1833691980632600765) he wants Ukraine to beat Russia
>
> * Trump [refused](https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1833687702081851784) to say whether he would veto a national abortion ban
>
> * Trump [yelled](https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1833682371750613103) false [conspiracy theories](https://x.com/justinbaragona/status/1833682688198267202) people eating pets
>
> * Analysts [pondered](https://x.com/RalstonReports/status/1833681197911900322) whether he was rattled by the Vice President’s handshake
>
> * Reporters [noted](https://x.com/BeschlossDC/status/1833687714765398028) Trump seemed unable to even make eye contact with the Vice President.
>
> * Vice President Harris [told](https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1833687974468297094) Donald Trump world leaders are “laughing at” him and that “they say you’re a disgrace.”
>
> * Vice President Harris [told](https://x.com/FrankLuntz/status/1833691796377137209) Trump that Putin “would eat you for lunch”
>
> * Trump was [called out](https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1833695273006027161) for trying to divide the American people
>
> * Trump [flailed](https://x.com/American_Bridge/status/1833695958074380731) when asked about his plan to repeal the Affordable Care Act and said he had “the concept” of a plan and not an actual plan.
>

From the Inbox:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

September 10, 2024

Everyone Is Saying: Donald Trump Lost It

Tonight on the debate stage, Donald Trump showed the American people just how unhinged he is – in his own words.

Vice President Harris called him out on abortion, and it was downhill from there.

He rambled and yelled.

He appeared visibly “angry, disorganized and frazzled.”

He couldn’t lay out a single solution for the American people, because the only plan Trump has is his Project 2025 agenda to raise costs on the middle class and take America backwards.

Republicans are already calling the debate a “disaster” for Trump.

In case you missed it, key moments from tonight:

Trump again refused to acknowledge he lost the 2020 election

Trump wouldn’t say he wants Ukraine to beat Russia

Trump refused to say whether he would veto a national abortion ban

Trump yelled false conspiracy theories people eating pets

Analysts pondered whether he was rattled by the Vice President’s handshake

Reporters noted Trump seemed unable to even make eye contact with the Vice President.

Vice President Harris told Donald Trump world leaders are “laughing at” him and that “they say you’re a disgrace.”

Vice President Harris told Trump that Putin “would eat you for lunch”

Trump was called out for trying to divide the American people

Trump flailed when asked about his plan to repeal the Affordable Care Act and said he had “the concept” of a plan and not an actual plan.


Jon Stewart Unloads on Trump’s Most Shameful Debate Moment


I figured that his people finally convinced him to acknowledge that he lost , that's why he mentioned losing "by a whisker", but he went back on it it seems. He said he was being sarcastic. He is saying that he did not mean it when he said that he lost by a whisker. One of the moderators stated that Trump still thought that he did not lose and Trump did not correct him. That was a softball. Is anybody surprised that he whiffed such a softball question?

It seems as if he went back to election loss denial.

I figured that his people finally convinced him to acknowledge that he lost , that&#39;s why he mentioned losing &quot;by a whisker&quot;, but he went back on it it seems. He said he was being sarcastic. He is saying that he did not mean it when he said that he lost by a whisker. One of the moderators stated that Trump still thought that he did not lose and Trump did not correct him. That was a softball. Is anybody surprised that he whiffed such a softball question?


Hopefully this gets the young people out. We need every vote!

Taylor Swift endorses Kamala Harris


She is far too smart for him


I really don't want to hear him speak. Ever again. I'm going to vote for her. I'll mute it and read if I have to.

Do I have to watch the debate? Do the numbers of watchers help?

I really don&#39;t want to hear him speak. Ever again. I&#39;m going to vote for her. I&#39;ll mute it and read if I have to.


She is going to tear him apart tonight with a smile on her face

This is going to be too easy for her


From Harper’s magazine in 1941, courtesy of Behind the Bastards’ “How the Liberal Media Enabled Fascism” pt. 2, I submit for review and discussion “Who goes Nazi?” As they stand at our doorstep with this election.

Who goes Nazi


Why Democratic voter participation from Americans overseas is more important than ever


I usually hear this phrase from Republican trolls trying to mock liberals for wanting tolerance while being intolerant of their bigotry.

Personally, I think it's absurd. Unfortunately, there appears to be a few Liberal identifying types who are taking it to heart. I don't know where these ideas are coming from, other than from Republican trolls, but I feel that it is completely unnecessary.

Wanting tthe freedoms enshrined in the US Constitution, to apply equally to all Americans, is not a matter of tolerance. It is a matter belief in the ideals of the Constitution.

There is no "paradox of tolerance," because there is nothing to "tolerate." You simply respect the freedoms of others. That's it. If they misbehave, you don't have to tolerate that misbehavior or come up with some wacky "paradox of tolerance" to explain it. It is completely unnecessary.

So, can we all let this "tolerance" stuff die now? I just want to get back to expressing my vicious intolerance of bigotry again.

*Edit*

Thanks to the kind words and patience of u/Bgc931216 and u/raistlin65,  I think I have resolved this issue for myself at least:

We can choose what we will and will not tolerate. Tolerating one thing doesn't require tolerating all things. "Selective tolerance" is valid. So we can selectively tolerate the things in which our iLiberal ideology protects, while employing zero tolerance for the behaviors it does not protect.

I still don't like the word tolerance, but this is good enough for me.

Can we let go of this "tolerant left" idea?

I usually hear this phrase from Republican trolls trying to mock liberals for wanting tolerance while being intolerant of their bigotry.

Personally, I think it&#39;s absurd. Unfortunately, there appears to be a few Liberal identifying types who are taking it to heart. I don&#39;t know where these ideas are coming from, other than from Republican trolls, but I feel that it is completely unnecessary.

Wanting tthe freedoms enshrined in the US Constitution, to apply equally to all Americans, is not a matter of tolerance. It is a matter belief in the ideals of the Constitution.

There is no &quot;paradox of tolerance,&quot; because there is nothing to &quot;tolerate.&quot; You simply respect the freedoms of others. That&#39;s it. If they misbehave, you don&#39;t have to tolerate that misbehavior or come up with some wacky &quot;paradox of tolerance&quot; to explain it. It is completely unnecessary.

So, can we all let this &quot;tolerance&quot; stuff die now? I just want to get back to expressing my vicious intolerance of bigotry again.

Edit

Thanks to the kind words and patience of u/Bgc931216 and u/raistlin65,  I think I have resolved this issue for myself at least:

We can choose what we will and will not tolerate. Tolerating one thing doesn&#39;t require tolerating all things. &quot;Selective tolerance&quot; is valid. So we can selectively tolerate the things in which our iLiberal ideology protects, while employing zero tolerance for the behaviors it does not protect.

I still don&#39;t like the word tolerance, but this is good enough for me.


Jan. 6 hearing live updates: Trump, through attorney, pleads not guilty


Where are all of  the other articles and media outlets discussing Trump’s age every 1/2 hour. ALL they did was attack President Biden relentlessy for his age.

'Struggling' Donald Trump Sparks Concern as He Forgets He's Running Against Kamala Harris in 2024 Election: 'Not Fit to Serve'


Republican Liz Cheney endorses Kamala Harris


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

September 4, 2024

**Harris Wants to Help Small Businesses, Trump Screwed Them Over – And His Second Term Would Be Even Worse**

Vice President Kamala Harris believes that American small businesses and American workers are the backbone of our economy. Donald Trump believes billionaires and big corporations are – and he has proven time and time again he will always prioritize them over small business owners. His second term would be no different.

Ahead of the Vice President’s remarks in New Hampshire where she’ll lay out her plan to support and uplift small businesses, here’s a quick refresher on Donald Trump’s record of shuttering small businesses and his Project 2025 agenda that would destroy Mom and Pop shops across the country:

* Trump repeatedly called for [budget](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/05/23/heavy-cuts-to-rural-development-and-infrastructure-in-latest-trump-budget/?utm_term=.cc3489346b7f) [cuts](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/sba-budget-cuts-target-redundant-programs/2017/03/15/328bfebc-09ad-11e7-a15f-a58d4a988474_story.html?utm_term=.f7e3430b9af6) to agencies that help small business owners

* His administration made it easier for lenders to charge [predatory rates](https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/new-trump-administration-rules-make-it-easier-lenders-charge-small-n1250023) on loans to small businesses

* Trump [repealed](https://money.com/trump-retirement-savings-auto-iras/) an Obama-era regulation designed to encourage small businesses to support employee retirement

* Trump [botched](https://libertystreeteconomics.newyorkfed.org/2020/05/where-have-the-paycheck-protection-loans-gone-so-far/) small business support during the COVID-19 pandemic and [minority-owned](https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/09/coronavirus-ppp-may-have-left-minority-business-owners-behind.html) businesses took the hardest hit as a result

* The “small business tax break” in Trump’s 2017 tax reform overwhelmingly [benefited the wealthiest](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-29/big-real-estate-moguls-win-as-smaller-investors-denied-tax-break) and largest companies

* Trump’s Project 2025 agenda calls to [eliminate](https://www.americanprogress.org/article/project-2025-proposes-eliminating-aid-for-families-and-businesses-rebuilding-after-storms/) the SBA’s disaster loan program and would rip health care away from millions of small business workers

* Under the Biden-Harris administration, America is now averaging 430,000 new small business applications per month – [50% more](https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-small-business-surges-sentiment-improves-treasury-report-says-2024-09-03/) than the 2019 rate, the last pre-COVID year under the Trump administration

*The following is a statement from* ***Harris-Walz 2024 Spokesperson Ammar Moussa*** *on Trump abandoning small businesses and his Project 2025 plans to do it again:*

“Donald Trump thinks the American economy revolves around billionaires and big corporations, where the rich get richer and average families are left behind. His record of shuttering small businesses and his Project 2025 plan to raise costs on working people and set off an inflation bomb prove it. Vice President Harris has a different view – she understands that small businesses are the backbone of the American economy. That’s why she’s prepared to build on the progress the Biden-Harris administration has already made to support and uplift small businesses. Tune in this afternoon to hear more.”

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

September 4, 2024

Harris Wants to Help Small Businesses, Trump Screwed Them Over – And His Second Term Would Be Even Worse

Vice President Kamala Harris believes that American small businesses and American workers are the backbone of our economy. Donald Trump believes billionaires and big corporations are – and he has proven time and time again he will always prioritize them over small business owners. His second term would be no different.

Ahead of the Vice President’s remarks in New Hampshire where she’ll lay out her plan to support and uplift small businesses, here’s a quick refresher on Donald Trump’s record of shuttering small businesses and his Project 2025 agenda that would destroy Mom and Pop shops across the country:

Trump repeatedly called for budget cuts to agencies that help small business owners

His administration made it easier for lenders to charge predatory rates on loans to small businesses

Trump repealed an Obama-era regulation designed to encourage small businesses to support employee retirement

Trump botched small business support during the COVID-19 pandemic and minority-owned businesses took the hardest hit as a result

The “small business tax break” in Trump’s 2017 tax reform overwhelmingly benefited the wealthiest and largest companies

Trump’s Project 2025 agenda calls to eliminate the SBA’s disaster loan program and would rip health care away from millions of small business workers

Under the Biden-Harris administration, America is now averaging 430,000 new small business applications per month – 50% more than the 2019 rate, the last pre-COVID year under the Trump administration

The following is a statement from Harris-Walz 2024 Spokesperson Ammar Moussa on Trump abandoning small businesses and his Project 2025 plans to do it again:

“Donald Trump thinks the American economy revolves around billionaires and big corporations, where the rich get richer and average families are left behind. His record of shuttering small businesses and his Project 2025 plan to raise costs on working people and set off an inflation bomb prove it. Vice President Harris has a different view – she understands that small businesses are the backbone of the American economy. That’s why she’s prepared to build on the progress the Biden-Harris administration has already made to support and uplift small businesses. Tune in this afternoon to hear more.”

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This was originally a response to a post was asking about places to travel from their home in a blue state for canvassing. As the post got bigger and bigger, I decided to make it a standalone post. If you are looking for the most bang for your buck, here are a few places where I'd go. The order is strictly based on WHAT I THINK would be the best place to travel. However, these are simply in my opinion, and ANY OF THESE areas or canvassing in ANY swing state is ultimately THE BEST way you can help elect VP Harris and Gov. Walz.

If I missed anything of note or made any mistakes, please let me know so that I can edit.

1. Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, or surrounding cities (includes Hershey if you want to make a vacation out of it!). This is Congressional District 10 in the state, where Janelle Stelson is running to unseat the incumbent R. The benefit of canvassing here is that you can canvass for her, along with Bob Casey who is running for reelection in the U.S. Senate, and for VP Harris and Gov. Walz in a crucial swing state. [Click here to sign up for volunteer opportunities, including canvassing.](https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdTCt3nlvO1t0tOHyRtslCKqoCGG3KvBKo2Cp5JCqg4FCoIJw/viewform) Race to the WH Rating: Tilt R
2. Scranton or Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania. This is Congressional District 08 in the state, where Matt Cartwright is running for re-election. The benefit of canvassing here is that you can canvass for him, along with Bob Casey who is running for reelection in the U.S. Senate, for for VP Harris and Gov. Walz in a crucial swing state. [Click here to sign up for volunteer opportunities, including canvassing. ](https://cartwrightcongress.com/volunteer/)Race to the WH Rating: Tilt D
3. Paradise Valley, Fountain Hills, Rio Verde, Cave Creek, Arizona. This is Congressional District 01 in the state, where Amish Shah is attempting to unseat the R incumbent. The benefit of canvassing here is that you can support Shah while also canvassing for Ruben Gallego, candidate for the U.S. Senate, and for VP Harris and Gov. Walz in a crucial swing state. [Click here to sign up for volunteer opportunities, including canvassing. ](https://www.amishforarizona.com/getinvolved)Race to the WH Rating: Tossup
4. Tuscon, Arizona, or sounding cities. This is Congressional District 06 in the state, where Kirsten Engel is attempting to unseat the R incumbent. The benefit of canvassing here is that you can support Engel while also canvassing for Ruben Gallego, candidate for the U.S. Senate, and for VP Harris and Gov. Walz in a crucial swing state. [Click here to sign up for volunteer opportunities, including canvassing.](https://www.engelforarizona.com/get-involved) Race to the WH Rating: Tossup
5. East Lansing, Michigan (or any of the surrounding cities. This is Congressional District 07 in the state, where Curtis Hertel is running to replace Elissa Slotkin (running for Senate). The benefit of canvassing here is that you can canvass for him, as well as Elissa Slotkin, who is in a close U.S. Senate race, and for VP Harris and Gov. Walz in a crucial swing state. [Click here to sign up for volunteer opportunities, including canvassing.](https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdHMsuVI_VcwPyoOOMaHEx312JxPy07y94WWvWcHDaGgdOtTw/viewform) Race to the WH Rating: Tossup
6. Flint, Saginaw, or Bay City, Michigan. This is Congressional District 08 in the state, where Kristen McDonald Rivet is running to fill a seat vacated by Dan Kildee (retiring). The benefit of canvassing here is that you can canvass for her, Elissa Slotkin, who is in a close U.S. Senate race, and for VP Harris and Gov. Walz in a crucial swing state. [Click here for one example of an event you can sign up for. ](https://www.mobilize.us/kristenmcdonaldrivet/event/637098/)Race to the WH Rating: Tilt D
7. Racine, Kenosha, Elkhorn, Janesville, Wisconsin. This is Congressional District 01 in the state, where Peter Barca is running to unseat the R incumbent. The benefit of canvassing here is that you can support him, while also supporting Tammy Baldwin to is running in a close race for re-election to the U.S. Senate, while also supporting VP Harris and Gov. Walz in a crucial swing state. [Click here to sign up for volunteer opportunities, including canvassing.](https://secure.ngpvan.com/wYhb8_u2p0y2TkNZlVEMqg2) Race to the WH Rating: Tilt R
8. Green Bay, Appleton, Wisconsin, and other surrounding cities. This is Congressional District 08 in the state, where Kristin Lyerly is running to fill a vacant seat. The benefit of canvassing here is that you can support her, while also supporting Tammy Baldwin to is running in a close race for re-election to the U.S. Senate, while also supporting VP Harris and Gov. Walz in a crucial swing state. [Click here to sign up for volunteer opportunities, including canvassing.](https://www.kristinforwisconsin.com/get-involved/volunteer/) Race to the WH Rating: Lean R
9. Wake Forest, Wilson, Roanoke Rapids, Rocky Mount, North Carolina, or surrounding cities. This is Congressional District 01 in the state, where Donald Davis is running for re-election. The benefit of canvassing here is that you can support Davis, while also supporting Josh Stein, who is running for Governor of North Carolina, and for VP Harris and Gov. Walz in a crucial swing state. [Click here to sign up for volunteer opportunities, including canvassing.](https://secure.ngpvan.com/6SJdp9JxYEyqvyRPXhs7nA2?refcode=fl_web_vol_signup) Race to the WH Rating: Tilt D
10. Omaha, Nebraska, or surrounding cities (to the west). This is Congressional District 02 in the state, where Tony Vargas is running to unseat the incumbent R. The benefit of canvassing here is that you can support Vargas while also supporting VP Harris and Gov. Walz in a crucial swing district (Nebraska awards Electoral College votes for individual districts) that could prevent the dreaded 269-269 tie in the Electoral College. [Click here to sign up for volunteer opportunities, including canvassing. ](https://secure.ngpvan.com/ng40a7J4r0GrB5qiz20sFA2)Race to the WH Rating: Toss Up

**Honorable Mentions:** Congressional District 02 in Maine; Las Vegas, Nevada (Presidential and U.S. Senate); Columbus, Georgia (Congressional District 02 in the state and swing state for the Presidential); Congressional District 02 in New Hampshire (Lean D district, Tilt R Governor Race, and potential Presidential swing state).

Looking to canvass for VP Harris and Gov. Walz and get the most out of your time? I put together some information for you!

This was originally a response to a post was asking about places to travel from their home in a blue state for canvassing. As the post got bigger and bigger, I decided to make it a standalone post. If you are looking for the most bang for your buck, here are a few places where I&#39;d go. The order is strictly based on WHAT I THINK would be the best place to travel. However, these are simply in my opinion, and ANY OF THESE areas or canvassing in ANY swing state is ultimately THE BEST way you can help elect VP Harris and Gov. Walz.

If I missed anything of note or made any mistakes, please let me know so that I can edit.

Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, or surrounding cities (includes Hershey if you want to make a vacation out of it!). This is Congressional District 10 in the state, where Janelle Stelson is running to unseat the incumbent R. The benefit of canvassing here is that you can canvass for her, along with Bob Casey who is running for reelection in the U.S. Senate, and for VP Harris and Gov. Walz in a crucial swing state. Click here to sign up for volunteer opportunities, including canvassing. Race to the WH Rating: Tilt R

Scranton or Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania. This is Congressional District 08 in the state, where Matt Cartwright is running for re-election. The benefit of canvassing here is that you can canvass for him, along with Bob Casey who is running for reelection in the U.S. Senate, for for VP Harris and Gov. Walz in a crucial swing state. Click here to sign up for volunteer opportunities, including canvassing. Race to the WH Rating: Tilt D

Paradise Valley, Fountain Hills, Rio Verde, Cave Creek, Arizona. This is Congressional District 01 in the state, where Amish Shah is attempting to unseat the R incumbent. The benefit of canvassing here is that you can support Shah while also canvassing for Ruben Gallego, candidate for the U.S. Senate, and for VP Harris and Gov. Walz in a crucial swing state. Click here to sign up for volunteer opportunities, including canvassing. Race to the WH Rating: Tossup

Tuscon, Arizona, or sounding cities. This is Congressional District 06 in the state, where Kirsten Engel is attempting to unseat the R incumbent. The benefit of canvassing here is that you can support Engel while also canvassing for Ruben Gallego, candidate for the U.S. Senate, and for VP Harris and Gov. Walz in a crucial swing state. Click here to sign up for volunteer opportunities, including canvassing. Race to the WH Rating: Tossup

East Lansing, Michigan (or any of the surrounding cities. This is Congressional District 07 in the state, where Curtis Hertel is running to replace Elissa Slotkin (running for Senate). The benefit of canvassing here is that you can canvass for him, as well as Elissa Slotkin, who is in a close U.S. Senate race, and for VP Harris and Gov. Walz in a crucial swing state. Click here to sign up for volunteer opportunities, including canvassing. Race to the WH Rating: Tossup

Flint, Saginaw, or Bay City, Michigan. This is Congressional District 08 in the state, where Kristen McDonald Rivet is running to fill a seat vacated by Dan Kildee (retiring). The benefit of canvassing here is that you can canvass for her, Elissa Slotkin, who is in a close U.S. Senate race, and for VP Harris and Gov. Walz in a crucial swing state. Click here for one example of an event you can sign up for. Race to the WH Rating: Tilt D

Racine, Kenosha, Elkhorn, Janesville, Wisconsin. This is Congressional District 01 in the state, where Peter Barca is running to unseat the R incumbent. The benefit of canvassing here is that you can support him, while also supporting Tammy Baldwin to is running in a close race for re-election to the U.S. Senate, while also supporting VP Harris and Gov. Walz in a crucial swing state. Click here to sign up for volunteer opportunities, including canvassing. Race to the WH Rating: Tilt R

Green Bay, Appleton, Wisconsin, and other surrounding cities. This is Congressional District 08 in the state, where Kristin Lyerly is running to fill a vacant seat. The benefit of canvassing here is that you can support her, while also supporting Tammy Baldwin to is running in a close race for re-election to the U.S. Senate, while also supporting VP Harris and Gov. Walz in a crucial swing state. Click here to sign up for volunteer opportunities, including canvassing. Race to the WH Rating: Lean R

Wake Forest, Wilson, Roanoke Rapids, Rocky Mount, North Carolina, or surrounding cities. This is Congressional District 01 in the state, where Donald Davis is running for re-election. The benefit of canvassing here is that you can support Davis, while also supporting Josh Stein, who is running for Governor of North Carolina, and for VP Harris and Gov. Walz in a crucial swing state. Click here to sign up for volunteer opportunities, including canvassing. Race to the WH Rating: Tilt D

Omaha, Nebraska, or surrounding cities (to the west). This is Congressional District 02 in the state, where Tony Vargas is running to unseat the incumbent R. The benefit of canvassing here is that you can support Vargas while also supporting VP Harris and Gov. Walz in a crucial swing district (Nebraska awards Electoral College votes for individual districts) that could prevent the dreaded 269-269 tie in the Electoral College. Click here to sign up for volunteer opportunities, including canvassing. Race to the WH Rating: Toss Up

Honorable Mentions: Congressional District 02 in Maine; Las Vegas, Nevada (Presidential and U.S. Senate); Columbus, Georgia (Congressional District 02 in the state and swing state for the Presidential); Congressional District 02 in New Hampshire (Lean D district, Tilt R Governor Race, and potential Presidential swing state).