#ubuntu-au 2011-07-01 <head_victim> sagaci: I just updated the xchat po and sent it to the maintainer, it hasn't been done in ages and isn't hosted on launchpad unfortunately. <head_victim> Would be nice to stop seeing color, dialog and favorite <sagaci> righteo, no worries <sagaci> brb later <gorilla> evening all <sagaci> how long did that xchat package take to translate #ubuntu-au 2011-07-02 <sagaci> head_victim: do you mind if I say something about translations on the roadmap section for the approval? <head_victim> Go for it <head_victim> It's a community document afterall :) <sagaci> just gotta duck down to woolies and i'll do it when I get back <sagaci> brb #ubuntu-au 2011-07-03 <sagaci> jaddi27, are you going to do kfontinst or ksysguard? <jaddi27> I was just about to do kfontinst <jaddi27> But if you want to do them, I am happy to let you do it <sagaci> righteo, i'll do guard, just thought so we weren't going to cross wires <jaddi27> Ok. I will get started #ubuntu-au 2011-07-04 <head_victim> sagaci: nice goal for 12.04 <sagaci> didn't know how to word it perfectly, had the vision <head_victim> Sounds good to me (I just read the wiki update email) <jaddi27> sagaci, do you always translate 'trash' to 'rubbish bin', or does it depend on the context? <sagaci> rubbish bin unless it should be hardcoded <sagaci> like an environment variable or a commandline option <sagaci> like you should translate --color to --colour <jaddi27> ok <sagaci> doesn't particularly matter but try to use rubbish bin amap <jaddi27> It is just one thing that I wasn't entirely sure on, because I can understand both versions <sagaci> as much as possible, yeah, i just made that up <jaddi27> but it makes sense to use the non-american version <sagaci> the problem is, I think trash is hardcoded into parts of nautilus, like trash:/// <sagaci> ripping through it now, over 2/3's done <jaddi27> yes, i think that may be correct <jaddi27> yes, it is looking good <jaddi27> shouldn't take too long to get it done now <sagaci> i'm enjoying the buy 1 get one free too <jaddi27> what do you mean by that? <sagaci> well a couple of months ago, whenever I did a batch of strings, I'd know how many were done, since it was seemingly done mostly by me, so I knew how much the total untranslated would fall by, nowadays, there's a few surprises, +50%, + 100%, etc <jaddi27> i see what you mean now <sagaci> on the similar vein that Linus Torvalds used to joke about Linux dominating the world, I never thought it'd be possible to see 95% done, especially with the 30000+ strings in the jump to oneiric, I thought it was a step forward and two back <sagaci> nevertheless it isn't 95% but it feels like it could be conquered this cycle <jaddi27> yes, definitely <jaddi27> is it worth doing a translation session for the Ubuntu Global Jam? <sagaci> yup <jaddi27> are you organising one, and if so, would you like any help? <sagaci> i guess we'll talk about it at the meeting but it's not til September, so a small email could go out soon as well as an official shoutout halfway through August <sagaci> just my initial thoughts <sagaci> maybe i'm different but if someone told me about something on in 3 months and I wasnt <sagaci> really interested, i probably wouldn't care, so something a bit closer to the day might be better? <jaddi27> Yes, that sounds fine. I am sure that if we got it all done now, people would not really think of it again until later anyway <jaddi27> so we may as well leave the main organisation and advertising to later <sagaci> if we can get en-AU translation fairly under control (read: 95%+ done) ubuntu global jams may be the ONLY day we have to do translations in the future, and it makes it much more appealing for new contributors to contribute to something well underway than asking them to participate in a seemingly no-light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel adventure, as it is now <jaddi27> sounds like a good plan <sagaci> plus, it actually makes it worthwhile changing your language settings to using the English (Australia) setting now <sagaci> and everything else benefits, kubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu, mint, etc <jaddi27> How often are language updates released? Is it only with each new version? <sagaci> each version and they can be backported <jaddi27> right <sagaci> jaddi27, are you in vic? <jaddi27> I am in brisbane <sagaci> did you go to linux.conf? <jaddi27> no, unfortunately not <jaddi27> I ended up having to help out with some other things on that day, so didn't end up getting there <sagaci> oh, the reason why I asked if you were in vic was because lca2012 is in ballarat so thought you might be going <jaddi27> Ah, right <jaddi27> I don't think I will be going to that one - a bit far to go <sagaci> fair enough <jaddi27> Well I think I will call it a night <sagaci> no worries, talk to you another time <jaddi27> goodnight <head_victim> blahdeblah: I would like to try and get a little bit of time with you on the ubuntu website when we're both around #ubuntu-au 2011-07-05 <bradm> head_victim: you about? <head_victim> bradm: sorry was sleeping <bradm> head_victim: no worries, I'm about to finish up for the day <head_victim> Oh right, the mailing list, that's you. <bradm> head_victim: I replied to your RT ticket, was just wondering of the lists you found that worked had SPF or something <head_victim> No worries mate. <head_victim> Well launchpad works <head_victim> Not sure what they use. <head_victim> Ausnog works as well. <bradm> if you can let me know what mailing lists work I can go from there - a pastebin of the full headers would be even more awesome :) <head_victim> Ok no worries mate, will do. I was wondering if anyone else has noticed it at all to be honest as no one has said anythng. <bradm> I've replicated it, so I can see that it happens <bradm> anyway, just let me know, I'm heading out of here for a bit <head_victim> Well I'll get you full headers of 2 that work and 2 that don't. More than willing to help out with data just I'm not knowledgeable enough to know what I need to give you without being promped. <head_victim> Cool have a good one #ubuntu-au 2011-07-06 <Bulldog2010> hi all <Bulldog2010> ive got a small problem i need some help with please <benonsoftware> Bulldog2010: Hi. What's your small problem. <Bulldog2010> i got adam internet as isp and have just got fetch tv works great but my ubuntu computer tells me its recieving 127kbps but ive got nothing running <Bulldog2010> for it to recieve to <Bulldog2010> they use virtual ports on the modem to get the signal into the network for streaming <Bulldog2010> any ideas please <benonsoftware> Not off the top of my head] <Bulldog2010> ok thanks <benonsoftware> Sorry again but try #ubuntu too <Bulldog2010> ok no worries <Bulldog2010> no help in there <Bulldog2010> anyone else got any ideas <head_victim> Bulldog2010: shuold be able to get something to monitor your internet connection and see what it is <head_victim> I can't think of the name off the top of my head <Bulldog2010> ok ;et me know if u rember please <head_victim> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/bandwidth-monitoring-tools-for-ubuntu-users.html has a few ideas <Bulldog2010> ok thanks mate <head_victim> I'd just google "Ubuntu network monitoring" or something. I'd try and help more but about to head afk <Bulldog2010> ok no worries #ubuntu-au 2011-07-07 <head_victim> Sorry just had reports the webchat wasn't working, but apparently, it is <bwright> Hello. <ikt> alpha 2 nearly out? <sagaci> it's on cdimage <ikt> sweet <ikt> and it's on internodes mirror >.> <ikt> hopefully the ati driver issue/kernel issues are fixed <ikt> when I played with alpha 1 the desktop was pretty messed up <sagaci> probably still is <ikt> possibly <ikt> will find out soon :D <ikt> gogo 300kbs :/ <sagaci> bytes, i hope <ikt> yeah bytes <ikt> still feels slow :P <ikt> like 300bps :/ <ikt> http://ikt.id.au/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/solarpowa.png <ikt> every solar panel system I go looking at <ikt> either too expensive or so cheap there's pretty much no power generated <ikt> 1kW is like 1 heater <sagaci> ikt, how's alpha 2 goin <ikt> about to reboot into it <ikt> using a usb drive #ubuntu-au 2011-07-08 <jaddi27> head_victim: Should I send an email out to everyone reminding them of the meeting on Sunday night? <sagaci> yep <jaddi27> ok. doing it now <sagaci> i can't really speak for head_victim but I think meetings should always start with a roll call and also a "matters arising from last meeting" before everything else, as to clean up any action or to-do's from the previous meeting <sagaci> it doesn't need to go on the agenda <sagaci> or maybe it does, i don't know <jaddi27> I am not really sure if they should be or not <jaddi27> I know that I have not done the Facebook page TODO from the last meeting <jaddi27> I didn't see the point in bringing it up for a third meeting in a row, so I have put it aside for the meantime <sagaci> well it just means that we're following up with things we say we're going to do and remind if we haven't done them, etc <jaddi27> sorry, what I meant was that I was not sure if they should be added to the agenda or not <jaddi27> I do think it is a good idea to bring them up at the beginning of the meeting <sagaci> well it all could be under 1. introduction, a ) roll call, b) matters from last meeting, c) team contact's report (lol?) <jaddi27> Yes, I could add it in there <jaddi27> I have added in the normal one that head_victim puts as the first agenda item, so that should hopefully cover it <jaddi27> sagaci: Did you finish off the plasma weather translations? <sagaci> yep <sagaci> Heavy Freezing Slow Grains Rain Rain <jaddi27> Yes, it was quite a funny one <jaddi27> Well I will be off now. Speak again later <mrshr3d> sagaci: Yeah the intro, rollcall etc etc, probably wouldn't have to be on the Agenda for every month, probably more convenient to have it written down somewhere (e.g. the Wiki) as documentation of the running order/format for the meetings. <sagaci> yep <sagaci> i just have noticed that there's no section within the meetings for review from last meetings/actions raised. I realise they don't have to be an agenda item but I think it's fairly important to build that into our meeting structure <mrshr3d> definitely <sagaci> and wow, I suck at typing <sagaci> doesn't* <mrshr3d> actually "there doesn't" :-) I have my moments too where I think people must think I'm a retard. <sagaci> yeah something like that <sagaci> obviously can't type as quick as my brain thinks #ubuntu-au 2011-07-09 <Bulldog2010> hi all <Bulldog2010> can anyone tell me were to find the eth0 config file please <Bulldog2010> in ubuntu 11.04 <Bulldog2010> hey all <Bulldog2010> anyone tell me how to permanently alter the eth0 configuration <jaddi27> Bulldog2010: is the eth0 config file at /etc/network/interfaces? I am not entirely sure (haven't needed to customise it myself) <Bulldog2010> ok found it thanks <Bulldog2010> i need to turn MULTICAST OFF permanently <jaddi27> you might also find some info at https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/ubuntu-help/net-wired.html <jaddi27> and I know this is for the server edition, but it may also be useful: https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/serverguide/C/network-configuration.html <Bulldog2010> thanks mate <jaddi27> that's alright. hope you get it sorted out. <Bulldog2010> yea i got fetch tv and for some reason my system was recieving 200kbps but it was going now where <Bulldog2010> so i did some research and found out i need to turn off the multicast from eth0 <Bulldog2010> did it via the command line and all is now sweet but need to make it perment #ubuntu-au 2011-07-10 <ikt> anyone happen to have a google plus invite? <ikt> heya sagaci <sagaci> hey <ikt> got a google plus invite :D <sagaci> nice <benonsoftware> head_victim: Hay <head_victim> Evening <benonsoftware> head_victim: Evening too you <head_victim> Good to see some people filing in :) <somethinginteres> head_victim: thought I might've been late :) <head_victim> Nope, 15 mins still by my count <somethinginteres> head_victim: awsome. Did a reminder make it out to twitter/facebook/identica? <jaddi27> first meeting as chair for me <head_victim> I posted one during the week <jaddi27> somethinginteres: Yes, a message went to all of them <somethinginteres> jaddi27: cool, cool. <head_victim> Is it the sort of thing that's monitored immediately? Should I send another out? <jaddi27> I put one of Facebook, and the event showed up on Facebook again <somethinginteres> head_victim: I don't think it would hurt to do another. A lot of people using twitter get instant updates. <jaddi27> head_victim: You could do one saying that the meeting is starting in a few minutes - It might get a few more people to remember it is on <head_victim> Ok, I'm quite open to suggestions for tweets/dents to btw, I don't really know what I'm doing here but want to get on top of it all <benonsoftware> Hi all <jaddi27> head_victim: I think you are doing fine at the moment. Not much else that needs to have been said, I think <somethinginteres> jaddi27, head_victim: I agree <head_victim> There's not a lot of people follwing yet but that should build <head_victim> Trying not to upset everyone with random crap :) <jellyware> evening everyone <benonsoftware> jellyware, Evening <benonsoftware> How is everyone tonight? <head_victim> Pretty cold up here in Brisbane, it's only 14 degrees :/ <jaddi27> Fine, thanks. Just watching the netball grand final - a very intense game <benonsoftware> jaddi27: Was watching that and Everybody Loves Rymond <somethinginteres> Resting after being in Melbourne for the week. :) <benonsoftware> somethinginteres: Where do you live? <somethinginteres> benonsoftware: SA <benonsoftware> somethinginteres: Ok <benonsoftware> somethinginteres: Do you mind if I do this months reports and you do next? <somethinginteres> benonsoftware: no emily84@example.com. <benonsoftware> somethinginteres: Thanks. It is just I can't come to the next meeting <somethinginteres> benonsoftware: Ah, I see. No problem. If I was a better student I would be working on my research now but I'm not and I want to contribute like a boss. <sagaci> Can i delay my item til later in the meeting <benonsoftware> somethinginteres: The reason I can't come to the next few meetings is because of school <sagaci> on a dodgy connection atm <jaddi27> sagaci: Yes, that is fine. Just reorder the agenda on l.u.c so I know <sagaci> can't do on this symbian browser :3 <benonsoftware> sagaci: Isn't it a sub of my item <sagaci> yes <head_victim> The browser was the real downside of symbian <jaddi27> Ok. I will just delay that until later <benonsoftware> sagaci: Will that mean my item will get pushed too? <sagaci> Nevermind, i'm here, just gotta login again <sagaci> brb <benonsoftware> Anyone feel it's later than what it is here? <head_victim> 2003 is what my clock says <jaddi27> head_victim: Is there a special way to do the item for mootbot for sub-items? <benonsoftware> head_victim: Same here <gorilla> head_victim: same here also. <sagaci> yeah, scrub mine for later <head_victim> jaddi27: not really, I think you ahve to do a separate item or include it in one <jaddi27> head_victim: Ok <jaddi27> Is everyone ready to start? <benonsoftware> Sure thing <jellyware> yes <mrshr3d> yep <jaddi27> #startmeeting <MootBot> Meeting started at 05:04. The chair is jaddi27. <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] <jaddi27> [LINK] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/111/detail/ <MootBot> LINK received: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/111/detail/ <jaddi27> Agenda is at the above link <benonsoftware> Got it <jaddi27> [TOPIC] Roll Call - Jared Norris <MootBot> New Topic: Roll Call - Jared Norris <head_victim> Gday all, wave your hands if you're here :) * benonsoftware waves * mrshr3d waves <jellyware> waves <jaddi27> hi <somethinginteres> here <head_victim> While we're waving I would just like to say that I'm still following up about the website renewal. I don't have any further details on a timeline though. * gorilla waves <benonsoftware> and well done head_victim for submiting the bug report for approval <head_victim> And, the team reapproval was put in really early Saturday morning AEST time. <head_victim> I'm not sure on a timeline for hearing back about that other than it's been acknowledged as being received by the council at this stage. <fabricator4> Sorry, I'm late... <jellyware> what do you mean by website renewal? I'm lost already jared <head_victim> As always, I will definitely keep everyone up to date the second I hear anything <jaddi27> head_victim: Thanks a lot for submitting that. Hopefully we will get good feedback (and hopefully will be resume official status) <benonsoftware> and also too point out about 25 other times are applying for approval too <head_victim> jellyware: the last couple of meetings I've been keeping people up to date, I've submitted a request to Canonical to update the Drupal install for the website so we can install the newer looking Ubuntu themes to make it line up with the current branding. <head_victim> The themes aren't available for the current version installed. <jellyware> oh. cool. thanks head_victim <Octatron> Hey everyone soz I'm late <jaddi27> Octatron: That is alright. just doing roll call <head_victim> Cool, well that's all I had to update the team on and I think most people have indicated attendance. Over to you jaddi27 <jaddi27> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Global Jam - Benny <MootBot> New Topic: Ubuntu Global Jam - Benny <benonsoftware> Ready? <jaddi27> yes <benonsoftware> [LINK] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1011/detail/ Ubuntu Global Jam <MootBot> LINK received: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1011/detail/ Ubuntu Global Jam <benonsoftware> I was just wondering what we are doing to do for the Jam? <sagaci> hi <benonsoftware> Are we going to have it on IRC or any other ideas? <jaddi27> I think sagaci will be organising a translation jam for the oneiric cycle <sagaci> Yeah, I'd be happy to send out an email <benonsoftware> jaddi27: So that's one thing down in NSW <jaddi27> benonsoftware: I think it would actually be done online <sagaci> translation jam will be aus wide <benonsoftware> Well that would be a great thig. <benonsoftware> Anyone here emily84@example.com. I want one of them. :) <benonsoftware> If someone teaches me how to do one online I would be happy to do a docs one. <sagaci> an intro email and short description of progress and common strings to watch for, etc <benonsoftware> Well I'm happy to do a Jam on Documentation <jaddi27> An online jam would be conducted here on IRC, where one person leads and everyone else can join in <gorilla> the problem with doing a face-to-face meeting is finding a venue which is affordable and has internet connection of some sort. <benonsoftware> gorilla: I know about venues <benonsoftware> So anyone want a Documentation Jam? <sagaci> writing and/or fixing documentation <benonsoftware> sagaci: Yeah <jaddi27> [IDEA] benonsoftware to investigate holding a documentation jam and email the list with suggestions <MootBot> IDEA received: benonsoftware to investigate holding a documentation jam and email the list with suggestions <Octatron> gorilla: coffee shops? Zaraaffa's they have wifi <mrshr3d> Same with Maccas <benonsoftware> jaddi27: Sure <benonsoftware> mrshr3d: Maccas no power points <mrshr3d> ah....good point <benonsoftware> jaddi27: Should someone register our team for it? <gorilla> Octatron: you really need a separate corner or room. <jaddi27> the other problem is the distance that some would have to travel, because a lot of things that can be done as a jam can involve the entire team <sagaci> [ACTION] sagaci to email list in re: translation jam for 11.10 <sagaci> or is that a chair only thing... i guess so <head_victim> action is chair only, idea is everyone. <jaddi27> [ACTION] sagaci to email list in re: translation jam for 11.10 <MootBot> ACTION received: sagaci to email list in re: translation jam for 11.10 <benonsoftware> So any over ideas for Jams? <jaddi27> benonsoftware: I think we will register for the jam a bit later, after we have finalised more of the events we are going to hold <benonsoftware> jaddi27: Sure thing <sagaci> leads onto my point about an install jam <benonsoftware> sagaci: Sounds fun <head_victim> sagaci: I like the idea of an install jam and would LOVE to combine it with SFD events around the country. <jaddi27> [TOPIC] Remote Installation Jam for Beta 1 - Joel Pickett <MootBot> New Topic: Remote Installation Jam for Beta 1 - Joel Pickett <sagaci> head_victim, are you referring to installfests or ubuntu-install looking-for-bugs jam * benonsoftware Will be a minute <jaddi27> just logging it to make it easier to find in the minutes <head_victim> sagaci: oh so you mean a testing install jam? <gorilla> head_victim: regarding SFD, LUV (Linux Users of Victoria) have a comittee meeting tomorrow to decide that Melbourne is doing for SFD. <gorilla> s/that/what/ <Octatron> perhaps we need to take a different tack with this and all buy prepaid internet sticks for the location? <sagaci> head_victim, yep <sagaci> only need a couple to make it worthwhile * benonsoftware is back sorry <head_victim> gorilla: let me know if they want me to try for some CDs <gorilla> head_victim: will do. <head_victim> (or if you have spares from 10.10 still feel free to use them) <sagaci> it's probably something that need to go to the mailing list, since I'll be able to consult about availability and security for my machine :3 <mrshr3d> Octatron: For Brisbane I could probably organise to use a conference room with wi-fi access (would have to run it by Office Manager first), I work in the CBD. <benonsoftware> Question: Should we choose a overall theme for the Jam? <head_victim> benonsoftware: the overall theme is Ubuntu. <Octatron> mrshr3d: sounds good, it's be good if somewhere could cater to us in return for advertising or the consistent purchase of food and drink <head_victim> My suggestion is if people are volunteering to run jams to edit wiki pages in the /Projects section (reuse old ones if possible) and then mail the list. <benonsoftware> head_victim: I mean say a installation type theme so I could do a docs one with installing <benonsoftware> head_victim: Ok. (About /Projects) <head_victim> benonsoftware: each jam is different, the translation jam is about translations, installation jams are about installations, bug jams are about bugs, etc. <benonsoftware> head_victim: Got it <jaddi27> seeing as we are getting into the meeting, is there anything else before I move to the next topic? <benonsoftware> Yeah <mrshr3d> Octatron: didn't think that thru.... weekends are access card entry only anyway <benonsoftware> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam/LucidTrainingLogs/HowToRunAJam-2010-03-10 <benonsoftware> That would be a good guide on how to run a Jam <head_victim> Tis ok, I think public venues are better so that we can try and garner public interaction. * gorilla muses and propping open doors is a pain.. bad idea also. <sagaci> head_victim, install jams would be good too but I'd have to hold an ubuntu hour before that kind of commitment <head_victim> sagaci: yep, hence why I think trying to tie into SFD is a good way of cross promotion <benonsoftware> If my internet cuts out sorry. <mrshr3d> sorry to sound ignorant, what is SFD? <Octatron> Surely there are businesses that would find in their best interests to host us as a group every once in a while <head_victim> Software Freedom Day, sorry, I should have said that to start with. <gorilla> mrshr3d: software freedome day. <mrshr3d> thx <Octatron> Other than that prepaid internet would at least mean we need a venue <benonsoftware> Octatron: Local community centre's are a good place * sagaci is brb in 5 <benonsoftware> Power points etc. <head_victim> [IDEA] Create a thread for each jam on the mailing list and organise them on the wiki <MootBot> IDEA received: Create a thread for each jam on the mailing list and organise them on the wiki <gorilla> benonsoftware: they can be booked out by regaulr groups.. and may cost. <head_victim> Next up? <jaddi27> I think we should aim to move on to the next topic now <benonsoftware> New users I think <jaddi27> [TOPIC] Induction for new members - Clinton Hunter <MootBot> New Topic: Induction for new members - Clinton Hunter <head_victim> jaddi27: good idea, further conversation should go to the ML, there's a full roster of topics tonight. <jellyware> hang on. what happened to Update of Local CD Mailout Service <benonsoftware> Is mrshr3d here? <jellyware> point 3 <mrshr3d> Yeah thought it would be good to have something formal around that, or is ad-hoc preferred? <jaddi27> jellyware: that is point 4 <mrshr3d> ie have a session on translating...I certainly have no idea how that works at present <jellyware> cool. thanks <head_victim> mrshr3d: I think it's a good idea, but we're already halfway through the hour and no where near half way on the topic list, would new users be comfortable posting to the mailin glist? <jaddi27> mrshr3d: I guess we could formalise the structure a bit more <head_victim> Or do you mean in general? <benonsoftware> Well I'm a 2 month old member.For me the list is easy <head_victim> Because if you just want to formalise the process a bit more I'd suggest having a play with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Members/NewMembers and see what you come up with <mrshr3d> I've signed up for the mailing list but haven't posted on it. * blahdeblah waves hi - sorry i'm late <jaddi27> We might be able to improve the website to detail what is available to new members <jaddi27> Even if it is just a mimic of the wiki page <benonsoftware> jaddi27: Good idea <somethinginteres> I'm wondering if there's a specific need for the site to be in its current form rather than just directing to the wiki? <head_victim> jaddi27: we could add it to the contact us link or create a different join us link that just points to it. <benonsoftware> somethinginteres: One word. Planet :) <mrshr3d> maybe listing activities members can help out with and if they need to know how, ask in the mailing list or on IRC? <head_victim> somethinginteres: the idea of the site is to post news and events. The idea of the wiki is to collaborate and organise. <head_victim> The current issue with the website is the lack of contributed content (which btw, anyone can add to, just need to ping an admin to spellcheck and approve) <jaddi27> head_victim: I think we could make a new Join Us link on the header - nice and prominent <blahdeblah> head_victim: Don't forget its other purposes: showing off our great web design skills and Canonical's speedy Drupal upgrade policy ;-) <head_victim> blahdeblah: yeah :/ It's being worked on still with no estimated time of completion yet. <somethinginteres> speaking from just my personal experience it actually took me a long time to find the wiki. I think given the usefulness of the info it contains it could be more visable somehow.. just thinking aloud here. <head_victim> Ok mrshr3d so if we completed the detail on the wiki and made it more prominent that would suit? <benonsoftware> head_victim: To be honest I got lost when I wanted to join <mrshr3d> sounds good, the simpler the better I think :-) <blahdeblah> somethinginteres: So at least two links in the header of the web site isn't enough? <somethinginteres> the other thing is some people may not even understand what a wiki is <somethinginteres> blahdeblah: evidently not. When I first discovered the site I "got lost" as it were. I wasn't aware of what the wiki contained, wasn't aware that it was the meat of content for e.g. <benonsoftware> Anything else? <head_victim> blahdeblah: I might rejig the description a tiny bit on the welcome bar of the website. <jaddi27> [ACTION] Website to be updated to have a link for new members <MootBot> ACTION received: Website to be updated to have a link for new members <jaddi27> [TOPIC] Update of Local CD Mailout Service - jellyware <MootBot> New Topic: Update of Local CD Mailout Service - jellyware <jellyware> the aussie cd mailout is still ticking along. $3/disc, posted anywhere in australia. I have just updated ubuntu.net.au to wordpress <benonsoftware> Has anyone ordered from this yet? <blahdeblah> somethinginteres: Was http://www.ubuntu.org.au/node/11 there when you started looking? head_victim and i updated it a few months back to make it clearer <benonsoftware> jellyware: Do you run it? <jellyware> I get an order every day or two... <jellyware> benonsoftware, yes, I run this <benonsoftware> jellyware: Well done! <jellyware> thanks <fabricator4> Benonsoftware: I got Natty through the mailout <benonsoftware> jellyware: Love that it is using WordPress <fabricator4> Great service <jellyware> its my contribution since I'm no good with the tech stuff <somethinginteres> blahdeblah: no I don't believe it was. <head_victim> jellyware: looks nice <head_victim> blahdeblah: it's there for me <jellyware> I need to clean up the working I know... <jellyware> thats all I wanted to say <head_victim> Cool, keep up the great work <sagaci> jellyware, need any help? <somethinginteres> jellyware: what's the "open disc dvd"? <benonsoftware> somethinginteres: I think it has free open source Windows software if I'm not mistaken <jellyware> somethinginteres, you can google it. its basically edubuntu with a bunch of open source apps for windows users so they can dip their toes <head_victim> somethinginteres: good point though, maybe include a link to the homepage for the project as well? <benonsoftware> jellyware: Weill that's great <somethinginteres> jellyware: ah, cool! <jellyware> sagaci, send me an email. I think I'm ok at the moment but I can keep you in mind. thanks <head_victim> sorry that was for jellyware <somethinginteres> head_victim: yeah. I think that'd be a good idea <somethinginteres> head_victim: woops :) <jellyware> will do head_victim <head_victim> Sweet, half way through the list :) * gorilla looks at clock and realise eek! <sagaci> jellyware, i'd be more inclined to help for the 12.04 LTS cycle, due to demand, etc <somethinginteres> maybe a link to the AU loco on there too? <benonsoftware> head_victim: Knw the hard half <jaddi27> Ok. any further points relating to the CD mailout service? <jellyware> sure somethinginteres <jellyware> I have to do some cleaning up <jaddi27> [TOPIC] Find more events to go to - Clinton Hunter <MootBot> New Topic: Find more events to go to - Clinton Hunter <mrshr3d> Being aware of the time happy to skip this until next month. <mrshr3d> plus I have already had one topic of mine discussed tonight don't want to be greedy. <jaddi27> Yes, that is a good idea. <jaddi27> [ACTION] Move these topics to the next meeting <benonsoftware> I can skip mine <MootBot> ACTION received: Move these topics to the next meeting <head_victim> mrshr3d: cool, also, feel free to ask on the mailing list <jaddi27> [TOPIC] Mission Statement - Chris <MootBot> New Topic: Mission Statement - Chris <jaddi27> apologies for not using IRC nicks in topics - I am just copying them from l.u.c <fabricator4> [LINK]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/MissionStatement <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/MissionStatement <gorilla> Is there a point of having one? /devil advocat. <benonsoftware> jaddi27: That's fine <head_victim> I like the idea of updating the mission statement. <fabricator4> I think it would be a good idea to update the mission statement <blahdeblah> gorilla++ <head_victim> I think we could probably include the next topic in the same discussion as I don't see formal goals working well but if we put general goals into the mission statement it would cover both bases. <blahdeblah> Keep up the good work, gorilla :-P <fabricator4> When I was looking at the loco originally it wasn't clear what the loco did or how it worked <jaddi27> head_victim: I agree with that <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam <benonsoftware> Hold on while I find the UF link <head_victim> THe first paragraph of that page is what I call "the mission statement" now <gorilla> blahdeblah: you can stop now. :-) <head_victim> I'm all for tweaking that to suit our needs better and including it on the website if that helps? <benonsoftware> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1787200 Ubuntu Forms Post <MootBot> LINK received: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1787200 Ubuntu Forms Post <fabricator4> headvictim: I deliberately made them separate topics so as not to confuse the issue. I didn't think the mission statement should get buried under discussions about team goals etc. <head_victim> fabricator4: ah ok, I just don't see how we can be accountable for goals and if we're not accountable how can we set them. <gorilla> head_victim: Remove the first sentence as it doesn't really adding anything. we know is a home page <head_victim> gorilla: I think it's a copy/paste of the website heading as well <gorilla> head_victim: oh :-/ <head_victim> Maybe by changing them to suit the medium they're on we can reduce confusion of what the wiki and website are for. <head_victim> [IDEA] Make the wiki welcome more wiki specific <MootBot> IDEA received: Make the wiki welcome more wiki specific <jaddi27> I second that idea. I think that will remove a lot of confusion that people experience <fabricator4> Is it possible to make the Mission statment heading part of the website menu. <benonsoftware> fabricator4: I think it is <head_victim> fabricator4: our current "mission statement" already is there <jaddi27> fabricator4: Do you mean add a link to Mission Statement? <head_victim> So it's more updating the current one if we feel the need. <fabricator4> head_victim: it's on the first page, but it's not part of the menu/header. I think it should have it's own page. <fabricator4> jaddi27: yes I mean a link :-) <jaddi27> I think that there are a few things that should be made clearer on the website that will happen with the new template <head_victim> fabricator4: ah ok, well I think the length of it will determine that. If it's only a sentence or so it would seem odd on it's own page, but if it becomes a 2 paragraph affair I see your point <jaddi27> Can we work out what we would like to do with the mission statement? <head_victim> I don't recall, has it made the mailing list yet? <benonsoftware> head_victim: Yeah. Well I'm sure it has <fabricator4> I think kyphi had some good ideas which were posted to the discussion page. <head_victim> Cool, well I personally prefer to keep it short enough to be a sentence or two so if I go through the wiki page, pull out the feedback from people and post to the list for objections would that be a good way to decide on it? <jaddi27> yes, I think that would be a good way to go <fabricator4> sure, if that's the way to do. Do we have to decide tonight after all? <benonsoftware> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2011-June/007263.html Here is the mailing list subject <benonsoftware> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2011-June/007263.html <MootBot> LINK received: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2011-June/007263.html <fabricator4> I'm happy to re-open this on the mailing list and pull a few things together... <jaddi27> [ACTION] head_victim to work out a mission statement based on feedback, and post to the mailing list <MootBot> ACTION received: head_victim to work out a mission statement based on feedback, and post to the mailing list <benonsoftware> fabricator4: Sure thing. Sounds good <fabricator4> Thanks :-) <jaddi27> Take that action to mean head_victim and fabricator4 as the people working on it then <fabricator4> Sure. headvictim? <jaddi27> I would like to move on to the next topic now, to get finished <jaddi27> [TOPIC] Declaration of Goals - Chris <MootBot> New Topic: Declaration of Goals - Chris <fabricator4> This one is not so clear to me <fabricator4> Setting goals it a good thing, and the idea came of the previous discussion <benonsoftware> I think we should have say a 12 month goal. <head_victim> fabricator4: I'll collate the feedback from the wiki and post to the list :) <fabricator4> If we set goals they have to be achievable, but how at the goals decided on? <benonsoftware> fabricator4: Team? <head_victim> To me the issue is if we set easy goals there is no challenge, if we set hard ones and don't reach them what happens then? <jaddi27> I think that it could be difficult to measure what we have achieved with the goals <benonsoftware> head_victim: Then we should break the goals gone <head_victim> I think if we freshen the mission statement and use that as our rolling goal that would work to a similar effect <fabricator4> If we set easy goals and achieve them, then we can set harder ones next time. <mrshr3d> I think it is hard to set "achievable" goals...in that our goals are ongoing, (e.g. promote Ubuntu and help new users with Ubuntu) <fabricator4> mrshr3d: shouldn't that be part of the mission statement? <somethinginteres> mrshr3d: I agree <head_victim> The main issue we have is the team is voluntary and constantly changing with people's abilities fluctuating with other commitments. <jaddi27> I can see why you would want a list of goals, but after reading some of the mission statements, they sort of include the goals <gorilla> Setting goals could make it difficult to achive someting that is not aligned with the agreed goals. <benonsoftware> Just to let you know I have to go soon <gorilla> in that they can be used to reject an otherwise idea becuae it's not a goal for the next 12 months or whatever the period is. <mrshr3d> it kind of blurs the distinction for sure. I guess it could be measured in some way - how many users have quit Windows and are Ubuntu through our efforts this year. <head_victim> I see our current goal as becoming reapproved, not for the sake of just being "official" again but reapproval in itself shows an improvement in team performance. <head_victim> mrshr3d: how do you measure that goal? <fabricator4> gorilla: I agree... kind of. <fabricator4> h_v: if you get approval , then you achieved the goal? <jaddi27> I think that it would partially achieve the goal, because we have to continue to keep the status <mrshr3d> head_victim: exactly, I think for a team like it is hard to set goals that are measurable <head_victim> mrshr3d: ah ok, sorry I thought you were suggesting an example goal. <fabricator4> Benonsoftware's idea of a yearly goal isn't so bad, lookinglike this... <benonsoftware> fabricator4: well that's what we do in school :) <fabricator4> :-) <jaddi27> I think there are always mini-goals along the way <head_victim> The problem is finding something measurable that is relevant. <benonsoftware> I have to go in 5 minutes <head_victim> If people can come up with something relevant and measurable I'm all ears. <jaddi27> eg. Translations should be completed by the end of the year, hopefully by oneiric release <fabricator4> head_victim: I agree, and it's the reason I had some misgivings about proposing it. <benonsoftware> head_victim: I just finished completing one templatie for translations. Maybe all of them by 12.04 <jaddi27> my idea would be to fix up the mission statement to make it clearer what we are trying to achieve as a team, and then assess whether or not we will need further goals to keep us on track <fabricator4> jaddi27: agreed <head_victim> jaddi27: That's a good way to go I think. I'll collate the mission statement ideas, email the team and open it for discussion. <gorilla> jaddi27: good idea. <benonsoftware> jaddi27: I have to go now. Any other things I must be here for? <head_victim> benonsoftware: you had the last topic <gorilla> oop <gorilla> s <jaddi27> [TOPIC] Kubuntu - Benny <MootBot> New Topic: Kubuntu - Benny <jaddi27> just quickly for benonsoftware <benonsoftware> Basicly I was wondering what is the support for Kubuntu in AU? <head_victim> Just quickly, I don't see this as a separate thing, we displayed Kubuntu, Lubuntu and Ubuntu all together at LCA * gorilla confirms that one. <mrshr3d> Is the main difference just KDE rather than Gnome/Unity? <benonsoftware> Sorry have to go <jaddi27> yes <head_victim> Just because we're "UbuntuAU" doesn't mean lots of people don't use Kubuntu <gorilla> benonsoftware: you can grab the transscipt later one. <jaddi27> maybe we can make that clearer on the wiki and website <jaddi27> well I think that will be all for the meeting <gorilla> perhaps a straw poll could be a good idea also. <head_victim> gorilla: feel free to start one on the ML :) <jaddi27> anything else that should be discussed now? <head_victim> gorilla: or forum <jaddi27> seems to be nothing else <head_victim> jaddi27: I'm out of ideas :) I think you've done a good job with the long list of topics we had to cover. <gorilla> head_victim: forum then :-) <jaddi27> Thanks everyone for attending the meeting. We have got a lot discussed in the time we had <jaddi27> #endmeeting <MootBot> Meeting finished at 06:16. <gorilla> jaddi27: well done on keeping the meeting moving :-) <fabricator4> Thanks all. <head_victim> Next one is 14/08, same time :) <jaddi27> gorilla: Thanks. It was certainly an interesting meeting to do for a first meeting as chair <jaddi27> I will update the wiki to have the next meeting date, and send an email out with the link to the new agenda <head_victim> jaddi27: nice work :) <head_victim> It's been good to get the help from yourself and others with the team basics. <jaddi27> head_victim: I am happy to help out with that <head_victim> When you've emailed the list the meeting details I'll tweet/dent it. <head_victim> You've bookmarked the "todolist" page? <jaddi27> I think I have it somewhere there <head_victim> Cool, makes it easy to figure out what needs doing. I'll take care of the topic when the next meeting info is posted to loco.u.c as well <jaddi27> head_victim: On the l.u.c page for ubuntu-au, have you had a look at the new timezone options? <head_victim> jaddi27: yeah, I'm not sure what to do with that. <jaddi27> what options are there for the overall team settings? <head_victim> It's all event/meeting specific I believe <jaddi27> Ok. I was not sure if was per team as well as per event/meeting <head_victim> Just confirming now. <head_victim> Ahh I CAN set a default timezone <head_victim> But I'm not sure I should change it from UTC? <jaddi27> I think it might be better changing it to AEST, seeing as we advertise the time in that timezone <jaddi27> and it does say on the meeting page what timezone the event/meeting is in now, so it is not as confusing <head_victim> Ok, anyone here from the western half of AU to make sure we wont offend you doing that? <head_victim> gorilla: from memory you're in SA? <gorilla> head_victim: nope. Melbourne. <head_victim> Hm, sorry, probably just offended you with that :P <gorilla> I was in SA for a number of years but wasn't from there originally either. <gorilla> you were partly right ;-) <head_victim> Ah, maybe it was somethinginteres <somethinginteres> head_victim: yep :D <gorilla> go ahead.. see who becomes offended :-D <head_victim> As a SA'er would you be overly offended if we advertised team events in UTC+10 ? <head_victim> Or is it something you're used to? <somethinginteres> head_victim: I am used to converting timezones, so that's no worries, as long as the timezone is indicated it's no problem. <head_victim> somethinginteres: ok, just don't want people feeling left out <head_victim> And always living in Brisbane I'm not sure what the TZ issue is like for others. <jaddi27> somethinginteres: Are you on Facebook, and if yes, are you a member of the Ubuntu Australia group? <head_victim> So, next question, UTC+10 or Sydney/Melbourne time? <somethinginteres> jaddi27: yes and yes <head_victim> As there is a slight difference, in daylight savings. <jaddi27> What time does it list for the meeting tonight on your browser? <fabricator4> UTC+10 <jaddi27> on facebook <jaddi27> head_victim: UTC+10 <head_victim> jaddi27: done <mrshr3d> If you write it as AEST (UTC+10) and AEDST (UTC+11) in summer it would avoid any confusion <head_victim> It's set at UTC+10, it's an issue every year when daylight savings rolls around :/ <jaddi27> mrshr3d: from memory, in the past we have used AEST for meeting times during the daylight saving time <gorilla> jaddi27: that's my recollection also. <head_victim> jaddi27: can you double check the August meeting on the loco.u.c now as playing with the settings may have changed it * gorilla thinks AU has too many timezones! <head_victim> I think we've actually done both. <head_victim> gorilla: I concur. We should all move to BRISBANE time :) <gorilla> head_victim: better idea than everyone moving to Brisbane :-P * mrshr3d thinks Daylight Savings is a hack for something that isn't broken :-) <fabricator4> h_v: Brisbane time is the only correct time :-) <head_victim> gorilla: yeah, you can stay there, just follow our rules :P <jaddi27> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/130/detail/ <jaddi27> The new timezone data is set now <gorilla> head_victim: like defending the merits of drinking XXXX? <jaddi27> I think it looks alright <head_victim> jaddi27: yeah no idea what the -1000 on the end is <gorilla> head_victim: offset without the : <head_victim> But looks ok <jaddi27> the 1000 means 10 hours <fabricator4> Yeah, why does it say : GMT+10 (-1000) <jaddi27> but I can't remember why the '-' is there <fabricator4> Should be +1000 then <head_victim> No idea, as long as it works. <gorilla> yeah.. I reckon that someone has stuffed up :-) <jaddi27> That would make sense, but I am fairly sure I have seen it like that before. I will look into it <head_victim> Now I just need to assimilate the calendar to my google account and I'm set <fabricator4> gorilla: someone on the other side of the world has stuffed up. <gorilla> fabricator4: usually the case ;-) <fabricator4> :-) <head_victim> Is http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-au/ical the best link to get meetings AND events? <head_victim> (I just right clicked ont he ical feed and selected copy link) <mrshr3d> or is it saying to convert it back to GMT, subtract 10 hours? <jaddi27> I think it might be something like that. I will look through the code to find what they are doing <jaddi27> head_victim: Yes, I am fairly sure that is the right one <fabricator4> mrshr3e; seems redudant <gorilla> fabricator4: perhaps it's to cater for the maths challenged :-P <head_victim> jaddi27: when I add it to google it thinks it's UTC time not _10 <jaddi27> That means they have not added in the proper data for ical creation with their timezone update <jaddi27> I will look at it again and try to get them to fix i <head_victim> Google or loco.u? <gorilla> google calendar is showing that the meeting will be at 4PM tomorrow. <jaddi27> head_victim: loco.u might have to be fixed <jaddi27> still looking at the code <head_victim> jaddi27: cool, they just pushed a new version so I'm sure patches welcome ;) <head_victim> Not that I could ever patch anything <head_victim> If you're ever looking for them they hang in -community and -website <head_victim> jaddi27: could just take some time to update and refresh since I've only jsut changed it from UTC ? <jaddi27> I guess it could <jaddi27> the main issue could be in their code <jaddi27> if it is setting the ical feed to be UTC, and the event times do not have timezone data with them, then the ical feed will not be correct <head_victim> And I can't adjust the TZ in the google calendar after adding it either. <jaddi27> i am just trying to find out if they are including timezone data in the start and end times for the ical <jaddi27> no, that is one annoying feature of google calendar <jaddi27> however, i can't do that in thunderbird either, so it is not just google <head_victim> Maybe it's more complex then we think <head_victim> What about we do set it to UTC then so that everyone's calendars auto update to reflect whatever their local is set to? <jaddi27> yes and no. i think if the ical feed is fixed up a bit, it should work better, but i just have to work out what they have in their code <head_victim> Ok I'll stop pestering, let me know if I can be useful in the process <jaddi27> maybe at the moment that would be easiest. i just need more time than tonight to work out how to fix it <jaddi27> you are not pestering - those questions are perfectly fine <head_victim> Ok so I'm setting back to UTC for now? * gorilla goes off to check the calendar on his web site. <sagaci> how'd the end of the meeting go <gorilla> hey, wb sagaci. the meeting went well. <head_victim> sagaci: pretty good <jaddi27> yes, set it back to UTC <head_victim> jaddi27: done :) <head_victim> Hah it's still wrong <head_victim> Maybe it just takes a while to update the settings <jaddi27> it might have to be imported again <head_victim> Nah I removed it and readded it <fabricator4> 06:00 - 07:15 UTC (+0000) Isn't that 4PM? <head_victim> It was showing up for me as 1600 in both occasions a day late <jaddi27> i just have to change it again <jaddi27> i wonder if it was set to GMT-10? <head_victim> Possible <head_victim> That would be right then and the -1000 would make sense? <gorilla> a lot of systems will cache ical files. <head_victim> But we've never ahd it set to -10 as far as I know * gorilla goes off to get dinner. <jaddi27> no, i didn't think so <gorilla> Night All <head_victim> Night gorilla <jaddi27> night gorilla <fabricator4> Goodnight <head_victim> jaddi27: how about +10 and we leave it a day to settle? <jaddi27> I think leave it on UTC, and I will look through the code to find what is happening <head_victim> No worries <jaddi27> head_victim: when will the meeting log come up on http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/? <jaddi27> I thought it was fairly quick last time <head_victim> I think it's a cron script so could be an hour or two <jaddi27> ok <jaddi27> the translations are going well - we are down to 113781 strings in natty now <head_victim> Yeah you
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