#ubuntu-doc 2005-04-01 <sabmoc> anyone awake? <froud> African Greetings <Kinnison> froud. <froud> morning enrico * froud has been capped by telsum <froud> Kinnison: hi <froud> OK, ideas wanted dudes <Kinnison> What does that mean for you? <Kinnison> (being capped) <froud> I have done docs for Ubuntu Update Manager <froud> Kinnison: yeah Telscum cap the DSL when you pass 3GB <froud> Kinnison: slllllllllllllllllllllllllooooooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww mooooooooooooooooooooooooooottttttttion <froud> Now Update Manager has moved to gnome cvs <froud> problem is I documented it on Ubuntu <froud> question, how to keep the doc Ubuntu specific and neutral for GNOME <froud> ouch did anyone get what I just wrote? <sabmoc> would someone like to help me get started on working with the doc team? <froud> sabmoc: sure <sabmoc> ok, let me tell you where and what I am <froud> OK <sabmoc> I've read all the wiki pages on the docteam and howtogetstartedblahblahblah. I have used cvs but not svn yet. Dont think that should be too difficult. <sabmoc> I have read parts of the DocBook guide <froud> easy stuff <froud> good <sabmoc> I would like to learn more DocBook, and help the doc team if I can. <froud> good <sabmoc> That is all. <froud> what would you like to know next <sabmoc> hmm.. where do I start? Have any tasks that need taskers? <sabmoc> taskee's? <froud> well we are about to tag for release <sabmoc> yes, but I think that a good thing <froud> so not much writing is happening. <sabmoc> ah ok <froud> yes <froud> however, you should look at the following documents <sabmoc> This way I will see the breazy release from start to finish <froud> and see how you can contribute for the next release <sabmoc> froud, will I need to actually run the unstable release? <froud> look at User Guide, Admin Guide <froud> are you running Hoary now <sabmoc> yes, but when breazy comes out I dont plan to switch until it is very near release. <froud> next release is grumpy, no? <froud> then comes breazy <sabmoc> Oh! <sabmoc> ok, well s/breazy/grumpy/; <froud> Well same diff <froud> normally, yes you run the next release from the devel <sabmoc> froud, hmm.. <froud> however, not everything in those guides will require changes <froud> to grumpy <froud> one place to look if you want to stay on hoary is the FAQ Guide <sabmoc> Im sort of planning to buy another computer, maybe if I do then Ill install grumpy, but otherwise I really need a stable desktop. <froud> it is currently at warty <froud> and needs updaating to hoary <froud> I believe that Corey was gonna look at that <froud> he is not here now <froud> however, the last meeting notes will give you an idea <sabmoc> The notes are posted to the mailing list? <sabmoc> The notes are posted to the mailing list? <froud> sorry i may disappear and reappear <sabmoc> I noticed :) <froud> my line has been capped <sabmoc> Thats strange, what does that mean, upload limits? <froud> I would start looking at all the docs and thinking what I can and want to do <sabmoc> Ok :) <froud> Kinnison: arrrrrg this is what it means for me ;-( <sabmoc> heh <sabmoc> poor guy <Kinnison> froud: Oh dear * Kinnison recently asked for his service to be upgraded to 2Mbps uncapped <sabmoc> get a new provider <froud> poor South Africa <Kinnison> just waiting for the regrade to complete <froud> lemme see if I can find a server on which I can get a shell <froud> sabmoc: in co.za it is all the same <sabmoc> froud, ok thank you for the information. So basically just read the current documents and wait for the next cycle to begin. I can do that. :) <sabmoc> froud, that is most unfortunate :( <froud> whats the command to run bitchx again <sabmoc> it is `xchat` <sabmoc> for me, at least.. <froud> sabmoc: yes, you can give patches on the docs I mentioned <sabmoc> where do I send them? <sabmoc> let me guess <sabmoc> as attachments to mailing list? <froud> yep <sabmoc> kk <sabmoc> anything else? <sabmoc> Actually, thats enough. <froud> BitchX is one of the most well-known IRC clients for the text console. It originated from ircii. It offers a lot of possibilities and settings. <sabmoc> froud, thanks goodnight <froud> aaaarg non of those hosts have bitchx <froud> sabmoc: my pleasure <froud> welcome <froud> to <froud> the <froud> docteam <froud> OK dudes, I cant stand the pain. I will drop in now and then to see you. <froud> c ya later <abelli> ciao a tutti <Kinnison> ciao abelli <abelli> enrico: ding dong dang <abelli> Kinnison: hows life treating you?? <Kinnison> abelli: not bad thanks <Kinnison> abelli: you? <abelli> everything's ok thank u. <jsgotangco> hello hello <abelli> ciao <jsgotangco> ciao <jsgotangco> how long does the initial doc source take to dl? <abelli> jsgotangco: mmmm no idea sorry. <jsgotangco> ahh k <abelli> jsgotangco: i think you better ask enrico. <jsgotangco> i will i'm just getting my feet wet in docbook at the moment <abelli> :) <jsgotangco> hmmm <abelli> what? <jsgotangco> are wiki issues also discussed here? <abelli> i think so, yes. <jsgotangco> well it seems my wiki entry is deleted? <abelli> huh. <abelli> enrico is the team secretary... you should ask him. <jsgotangco> enrico u there? <jsgotangco> what the hell <jsgotangco> someone deleted my wiki <jsgotangco> grr <mdke> hi all <Burgundavia> salut <Kinnison> Evening burger <mdke> hi Burgundavia Kinnison <Kinnison> mdke: <Kinnison> s/:/./ <mdke> lol <mdke> sup <mdke> sabmoc, ping <Burgundavia> well if sabmoc's ip is correct, he lives very close to me <Burgundavia> which means he may be a work <mdke> whoops <mdke> brb <mdke> (phone) <sabmoc> hello <sabmoc> someone still looking for me? <sabmoc> mdke, ping <sabmoc> Burgundavia, ping <Burgundavia> no <Burgundavia> sabmoc: where do you live? <Burgundavia> mdke: was looking for you, but he is on the phone <sabmoc> Burgundavia, near Vancouver <sabmoc> Burgundavia, do you live in BC too? <Burgundavia> sabmoc: Victoria <sabmoc> Burgundavia, ah cool, I actually live in sechelt, just across the water from Nanaimo <Burgundavia> if you can, come down to VLUG, April 12 <sabmoc> Hey that would be cool! <Burgundavia> we meet 7pm, at UVIC <Burgundavia> www.vlug.org <sabmoc> Its possible that I could come. Im free on the 12th <Burgundavia> do you want to do a hoary presentation together on the 12th? <sabmoc> gah, no <Burgundavia> ? <sabmoc> well, what would be involved? <Burgundavia> do you have a laptop? <sabmoc> nope <Burgundavia> hmm <Burgundavia> then I have to install hoary on something and bring it <Burgundavia> and then we show them the cool new features <Burgundavia> and we talk about where Ubuntu is going <sabmoc> hmm.. but what if Im a clueless twit? <mdke> lol <mdke> never <Burgundavia> if you use Ubuntu, you cannot be <mdke> hi sabmoc and welcome <sabmoc> hi mdke <sabmoc> Burgundavia, hmm <sabmoc> should I bring a tent? :D <Burgundavia> sabmoc: hmm <Burgundavia> Unfortunately, I live in a room in a house, and thus have no place to put you up <sabmoc> How many people usually show up? <Burgundavia> ~20-30 <sabmoc> sounds really fun <sabmoc> I'll have to think of where I would stay, since it would have to be an overnight trip for me, and I would have to get from Nanaimo to uvic, probably bus it. <Burgundavia> sabmoc: Nanaimo to Vic by bus (ouch, I have done that once) * sabmoc has actually never gone to Vancouver Island <sabmoc> hahaha <Burgundavia> sabmoc: right <Burgundavia> sabmoc: about that getting out more <Burgundavia> sabmoc: you want to fly? (my brother is a pilot) <sabmoc> Burgundavia, I was thinking flying too <mdke> sabmoc, i don't believe that canadian team has grown up in 2 days <mdke> that's so cool <Burgundavia> have to counteract the european influence you know <sabmoc> aye, not to mention those pesky americano's <mdke> heh <mdke> get Burgundavia to join <sabmoc> Burgundavia, join <sabmoc> haha <mdke> he's only on 10 or so teams <sabmoc> pfft <Burgundavia> I am not <Burgundavia> I do stuff for universe and co <Burgundavia> s/co/doc <Burgundavia> that is it <mdke> just kidding <Burgundavia> ;) <mdke> but you're an active member of the ubuntu community <Burgundavia> I guess you could say that <sabmoc> Burgundavia, how much does the ferry to Nanaimo cost? <Burgundavia> 10, 5 if student <Burgundavia> each way <Burgundavia> from bcferries.com <sabmoc> Actually I meant with a vehicle <Burgundavia> more <Burgundavia> 31.25 each wa <Burgundavia> s/wa/way <Burgundavia> plus driver <sabmoc> so 72.50, plus about 35 for the Gibsons ferry, plus gas food and hotel. hmm <Burgundavia> hmm <sabmoc> ouch <sabmoc> haha <Burgundavia> it doesn't have an airport, does it? <sabmoc> I'll check the rates for a float plane, next to where I work is a float airline <Burgundavia> ah <Burgundavia> going to be more <sabmoc> they've given me free rides before <sabmoc> maybe we can work something out <sabmoc> Its funny that I've never been to Vancouver Island, yet I've been all over BC's interior. <Burgundavia> what do you do as a day job? <sabmoc> I used to fix photocopiers for sharp, but now I am in a transition taking over the family business from my father. We own a restaurant. <Burgundavia> ah <sabmoc> So basically Im a cook. <Burgundavia> I am currently enjoying being unemployed <Burgundavia> left my job about 2 weeks ago <sabmoc> Burgundavia, lucky bugger <Burgundavia> used to work for www.microserve.ca <Burgundavia> doing windows crap <sabmoc> ah cool <sabmoc> Burgundavia, I worked for Stream in Chiliwack for a while doing tech support <sabmoc> Burgundavia, are you going to school right now? <Burgundavia> went to CDI <Burgundavia> I was hired straight out of CDI last Sept <Burgundavia> was kind of nice <sabmoc> Burgundavia, wow <Burgundavia> then I realized that I was killing myself doing the job <sabmoc> Burgundavia, what did you take at cdi? <Burgundavia> and wasn't having much fun doing it <Burgundavia> network and internet security specialist <Burgundavia> basically msce+security <Burgundavia> thought I don't have the certs <sabmoc> Burgundavia, nice, you're not going to believe this but I went to CDI for a short time as well. <Burgundavia> what did you take? <sabmoc> Burgundavia, I didnt like it though, I was taking programming. <Burgundavia> hmm <Burgundavia> ya <Burgundavia> they only teach m$ stuff <sabmoc> I droped out before the student loans went though the roof <mdke> lol@list <mdke> "bug first, then email" <sabmoc> Burgundavia, maybe you had desent teachers but when I was there all I did was read, there was almost no personal instruction going on at all, and I just figured why pay for this when I can do it myself for free. <Burgundavia> I didn't get much is the way of personal stuff <Burgundavia> but I did quite well <sabmoc> thats cool <Burgundavia> the instructor really really knew his stuff through <Burgundavia> though <Burgundavia> that helped <sabmoc> in hind site I probably should have finished it, just for the sake of finishing <Burgundavia> hey, water over the dam <sabmoc> our instructor had her own software company and was making a killing on some contracts, i dont think she really cared about her teaching job but its tuff to find qualified programmers willing to teach. <sabmoc> Burgundavia, yeah, doesnt really matter, I've taken a few classes at BCIT and Im taking another one next term. <Burgundavia> cdi pays like shit too <sabmoc> Burgundavia, probably, they have to finance to advertisments somehow. <sabmoc> s/to/those/; <sabmoc> oh no, gmail is down <Burgundavia> sabmoc: no, its not <Burgundavia> sabmoc: however, it was down for me <Burgundavia> sabmoc: I suspect rolling server outages #ubuntu-doc 2005-04-02 <sabmoc> mdke, ping re: moinmoin <mdke> ello <mdke> i mean, sabmoc, pong <sabmoc> ah good you're awak, so what is involved with switching to moinmoin <sabmoc> haha :) <mdke> hmm <sabmoc> i'll pong you! <mdke> heh <mdke> i heard it was the geek way to respond <mdke> anyhow <sabmoc> heh <mdke> moinmoin is pretty simple <sabmoc> I like simple <mdke> yeah you basically cut out all the tags ;) <mdke> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MoinMoin <mdke> sabmoc, i don't mind doing it later on <sabmoc> mdke, thats ok, I would like to do it myself to see how it works. <mdke> ok <mdke> best way is to take a look at an existing page <mdke> also <mdke> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MoinMoinExamples * sabmoc is becoming suspicious that ubuntu people can read his mind. <mdke> heh <mdke> we all think alike <mdke> we are the borg <mdke> *coughs* <sabmoc> lol <mdke> not really <mdke> >_> <mdke> <_< <sabmoc> stop <sabmoc> im dying <mdke> you can't die <mdke> only be assimilated <mdke> ok enough <mdke> i've only seen the occasional start trek episode, i wanna make that clear <sabmoc> kidneys rupturing <mdke> *star <sabmoc> suure.. <mdke> heh <sabmoc> moinmoin <sabmoc> huh http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage/searchwiki?source=search&expr=MoinMoinExamples&submit=Search <sabmoc> 0 results <mdke> oh sorry <mdke> i suck <mdke> oh well its linked from HelpOnEditing <sabmoc> found it <sabmoc> mdke, where are you located? <mdke> london uk <mdke> sorry <mdke> my name is matt <sabmoc> hi matt <mdke> hiya <sabmoc> ok, moinmoin looks pretty strait forward, but I have one question. <sabmoc> 1. Why <mdke> fire away <mdke> hmm <sabmoc> as in, why not html which almost everyone is already familiar with <mdke> but loads of users aren't familiar with html <mdke> the idea is to encourage people who can't write things like html: because those that can, can easily write moin ;) <sabmoc> but probably more than moinmoin <sabmoc> ah ok, I see now <mdke> i wasn't around when they took the decision, but i think that simplicity is the main reason <sabmoc> yes it is simpler <sabmoc> Ok, good enough <mdke> sadly it is not yet set as default <sabmoc> Ask me what I think of wiki's <mdke> lol <mdke> i've read it <sabmoc> haha <mdke> you have a point <sabmoc> wait a minute? <sabmoc> what! <sabmoc> read it where? <mdke> on the canadian team page <sabmoc> oh * sabmoc goes to check what it sasy <sabmoc> actually I didnt write that <mdke> oh <mdke> it says you did iirc <sabmoc> you mean the little note about the bug? <mdke> wikis always get <mdke> cluttered over time and become difficult to navigate (imo). <mdke> AlexCombas 19March2005 <sabmoc> oh under the web portal section! <mdke> heh <sabmoc> ok ok <mdke> read all the way down! <sabmoc> guilty <sabmoc> bah * mdke slaps sabmoc * sabmoc dies of a nosebleed <mdke> the bug thing relates to OUR wiki <mdke> not wikis in general <mdke> our website sucks ass <sabmoc> hmm ok <sabmoc> yeah its a little *cough cough* <mdke> lemme see which bug that is <sabmoc> but in general, about wiki <mdke> bizarre <mdke> those website bugs never get assigned HRMPH <sabmoc> brb <mdke> me too <sabmoc> ok, this is what i wanted to say <sabmoc> I dont like wiki's because they don't seem to encourage banter. <sabmoc> forums are great for bantering back and forth on subjects <sabmoc> but forums need large groups to really be fun <sabmoc> for a small group nothing is better than a mailing list <sabmoc> I dunno, just my opinion <mdke> yeah i c <mdke> we should distinguish here <mdke> that doesn't apply to the docs on the wiki <mdke> just to the devel and community stuff <sabmoc> yeah <sabmoc> wiki's are super for document creation though <mdke> i still think you're wrong tho, hang on a tic and i'll explain <sabmoc> ok <mdke> ok <sabmoc> Im not trying to say wiki's are not useful or good. They are great for making documents with a group. <mdke> just a quick example <mdke> i help out with the italian team <mdke> today i made a page for wiki pages which could usefully be translated <mdke> the idea is that people add to it, wishlist style <sabmoc> cool <mdke> that wouldn't work as well on a mailing list <sabmoc> I see your point <mdke> another reason that i dislike mailing lists <mdke> is that threads end up all over the shop <sabmoc> Ok, for creating action lists where everyone can have a say they are really good. <mdke> branching off left right and centre <mdke> because people don't reply to the right one <mdke> or don't use reply-to-list or whatever <sabmoc> yes, I only like mailing lists with about 10-30 people <sabmoc> more than 30(just off the top of my head) you should build a forum <mdke> hmm <mdke> in the italian group list today there was one thread that began again because someone replied all <mdke> so irritating <sabmoc> what Im saying is that if you want to have a running conversation with someone, wiki is not the best tool. <mdke> yeah that's very true <mdke> email or irc ;) <sabmoc> haha <sabmoc> irc sucks! <sabmoc> jk <mdke> hmm <sabmoc> I like irc <mdke> good for meetings <mdke> and procrastinating <sabmoc> yeah, sometimes its difficult to understand someone enless you are having a convo. You can get a better picture of the feelings involved. <sabmoc> HAHA <sabmoc> mdke, Ok, I'll stop bugging you <mdke> i'm not doing anything <sabmoc> Ok, then stop bugging me <sabmoc> haha <mdke> heh <mdke> these cheeky canadians <sabmoc> heh <mdke> us brits are so much more polite <sabmoc> aye, you are more polite <sabmoc> I dont think we are impolite though, maybe just a little abrupt. <mdke> honest is the word <sabmoc> perhaps <sabmoc> see, that was a very polite thing to say.. i would have never thought of that <mdke> heh <mdke> i like straight talking <mdke> i'm not that english ;) <sabmoc> ah ok <mdke> hmm <mdke> i tell you what is fun <sabmoc> ok <mdke> converting polish pages to moin <sabmoc> whys that? <mdke> can't understand where anything is supposed to go <mdke> heh <mdke> this one's got some random css in it <sabmoc> so when you translate a page, its completely automated? <mdke> i'm not translating just trying to change the formatting <sabmoc> oh, I read that wrong. I see. <sabmoc> ah the polish, wonderful people <mdke> yeah they rock <mdke> but their punctuation looks like code <mdke> or vice versa <sabmoc> lol <sabmoc> A while back I lived in Toronto, it is much more metropolitan overthere than here. Met some real poles fresh from poland, very crazy times. <sabmoc> fun, but just completely crazy <sabmoc> but fun <sabmoc> Did I say fun? <mdke> you may have <mdke> *grins* <mdke> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PolishUbuntu <mdke> awesome <mdke> i'll leave that one till later <sabmoc> oh wow <sabmoc> mdke, is that a before or after shot? <sabmoc> later <mdke> before * sabmoc needs more sleep <mdke> me too <sabmoc> when I select moinmoin markup, and hit preview, in the textbox it doesnt change, but the preview at the bottom shows all the html. Are they invisible in the text box? <mdke> the preview shows you what it looks like <mdke> moin doesn't include html tags so they show up as normal text <mdke> geddit? <sabmoc> hmm, down in the preview box it looks like this now: <h1>= Welcome to the Canadian Local Ubuntu Team=</h1> <sabmoc> yes, I understand why, but how do I remove the html? <sabmoc> in the text box it doenst show me any of the html tags <mdke> oh <mdke> huh <mdke> funky <mdke> save it and lemme see <sabmoc> maybe I just needed to save it and reload the file <sabmoc> yup <sabmoc> alrighty, now I'm in business <mdke> ok <mdke> how bizarre <mdke> shout if you wanna know anything <mdke> i'll be around <mdke> any when i say "anything" <sabmoc> mdke, thank you I will <mdke> i mean, basic things about moin <mdke> ;) <mdke> i know nothing about star trek <sabmoc> now Im really getting suspicious <mdke> heh <sabmoc> you cut me off in the middle of a clever borg retort <mdke> crazy thing is that its true <mdke> i actually dont <mdke> oh you mean the mind reading thing? <sabmoc> yes <mdke> thats not borg related at all <mdke> just said that to put you off the scent <sabmoc> it worked, im completely lost <sabmoc> what is <br> in moin? <mdke> nowt <sabmoc> nowt? <mdke> nothing <mdke> to my knowledge <sabmoc> ok <mdke> just text <sabmoc> I mean, when I want to make a break space, how do I do that in moin? <mdke> leave a line i think <sabmoc> thanks <mdke> hang on <mdke> hmm dunno <mdke> leaving a line will give you a new paragraph <mdke> lists have decent line gaps <mdke> other than that, i'm not too sure tbg <mdke> tbh* <sabmoc> thats good, ok thanks <mdke> its not as flexible as html of course <mdke> can't get very nice designs, but its ok for text based stuff <mdke> ok bed for me <mdke> sabmoc, nice to meet you, see you again soon <jsgotangco> good day <sabmoc> good day to you also <jsgotangco> sabmoc i am jerome pleased to meet you <sabmoc> hi Jerome, Im Alex <sabmoc> and same here <jsgotangco> im just got my feet wet in docbook, its very nice i got the 1st steps covered easily <sabmoc> cool <sabmoc> I just joined the team yesterday <sabmoc> I did a little DocBook work about a year ago, so I know a little. <jsgotangco> i learned that its not that hard actually <sabmoc> yeah, its just basically xml, and xml is just markup <sabmoc> hi Burgundavia <jsgotangco> what a pleasant surprise hibernate and sleep now works flawlessly <Burgundavia> salut <sabmoc> fear the badgers!! * sabmoc has been drawing badgers like a madman <jsgotangco> would their names be benny? <jsgotangco> *grin* <Burgundavia> ah yes, more user art <Burgundavia> can I look at some of the stuff you are doing? <jsgotangco> hi Kinnison <Kinnison> Morning <sabmoc> Burgundavia, its not finished yet.. <sabmoc> but sure <jsgotangco> sabmoc: you contribute artwork i presume? <sabmoc> jsgotangco, this will be my first * jsgotangco wished his pencil skills can be translated to digitizers <sabmoc> jsgotangco, oh they can! <jsgotangco> i tried im not too good at it <jsgotangco> hehe <sabmoc> mostly its practise <sabmoc> as you can see, I clearly cant spell worth a damn <jsgotangco> ive heard most comic books now are just lifted from scanned pencils <sabmoc> Burgundavia, want me to email it? <jsgotangco> the inkers are left to doing the letters <jsgotangco> and the letter have nothing to do <jsgotangco> hehehe <sabmoc> jsgotangco, hhaha <jsgotangco> i'd like to do icons sometime but its been a while i did artwork <sabmoc> jsgotangco, good icons are a lot harder than they look <sabmoc> people dont give jimmac enough credit <sabmoc> even though they give him lots of cred, it just isnt enough <sabmoc> Burgundavia, ping <sabmoc> jsgotangco, want to see my picture? <jsgotangco> sure <sabmoc> dccsend or email? <jsgotangco> oh email: cisneroselizabeth@example.net <sabmoc> is svg ok? <jsgotangco> no problem <sabmoc> there you go <sabmoc> as you can see, its not finished yet, eventually there will be a laptop in front of him with UBUNTU written on the screen, and his body needs a lot more detail. <jsgotangco> aww <sabmoc> lol <jsgotangco> svg blends well with my background color <jsgotangco> maybe you should add more lines to make his knees more prominent <sabmoc> yes I havnet fixed his leg <sabmoc> haven't* <sabmoc> and he has not hands <Burgundavia> sabmoc: here <Burgundavia> sabmoc: playing kolf <Burgundavia> very addictive, if sadly kde <Burgundavia> sabmoc: sure, you can eamil it <sabmoc> whats the addy? <jsgotangco> kolf sure is fun * sabmoc installs kolf <sabmoc> its kind of hard to tell that it's a badger <jsgotangco> sabmoc what time is it there arent you supposed to be sleeping hehehe <sabmoc> jsgotangco, no, only 12:35am <sabmoc> how about you? <jsgotangco> 4:38pm <Burgundavia> sabmoc: cisneroselizabeth@example.net <Kinnison> burgey! <Burgundavia> Kinnison: hello <Burgundavia> Kinnison: good morning, should I say <Burgundavia> Kinnison: I had my first upload. xconq <Kinnison> cool <Kinnison> whassat do then? <Kinnison> Aaha found it <Kinnison> Source: xconq <Kinnison> Version: 7.4.1-2.1ubuntu1 <Kinnison> Changed-By: Corey Burger <cisneroselizabeth@example.net> <Kinnison> Cool <Burgundavia> sabmoc: not bad badger <Burgundavia> sabmoc: tail is a little odd, but the rest is good <sabmoc> Burgundavia, :D thanks <sabmoc> he is going to have a little laptop infront of him that says UBUNTU on the screen <sabmoc> I want him to be the mascot for the breezy badger release <Burgundavia> Kinnison: I have been sucked in by KDE. I am fixing qtparted, and now am filing bugs against kolf <Burgundavia> save me from this evil qt-ing <Kinnison> Burgundavia, dude, get out while you still can. <jsgotangco> lol <sabmoc> welcome back :) <jsgotangco> sabmoc: are you a canuck? <sabmoc> haha, oh man I really miss hockey :) <Burgundavia> bah hockey <jsgotangco> bah <jsgotangco> hehe <Burgundavia> they can stay locked out <sabmoc> well I was until hockey died <jsgotangco> lol <jsgotangco> well i just asked because i am moving to toronto next year <Burgundavia> where are you now? <jsgotangco> i am in manila <jsgotangco> i think i get the docteam flow and process but i have a question: where do i actually get to know which doc needs to be edited/reviewed and stuff? <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: mostly everything is done, with minor review stuff <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: in the quickguide, it says at the beginning of the section <jsgotangco> oh <jsgotangco> i guess i will be doing more stuff for badger instead <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: there is still stuff to do right now <mdke> hi all <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: if you are feeling adventurous, try editing and cleaning up the wiki <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: that's what i want to know but i really dont know where to start <jsgotangco> well the wiki <jsgotangco> hehe <jsgotangco> that's a good start too <mdke> :) <Burgundavia> I hate the wiki <Burgundavia> I barely touch it <jsgotangco> but that means fixing everyting to moin moin hehehe <mdke> don't knock it ;) <Burgundavia> I like wikis, just not this one <jsgotangco> i like the wiki except that its kinda chaotic for me at the moment <Burgundavia> en.wikpedia.org/wiki/User:Burgundavia <mdke> i mean, don't knock the job of fixing everything to moin <mdke> *grins* <jsgotangco> but arent we supposed to standardise the wiki to moin? <mdke> yeah <mdke> i spend lots of time on it <mdke> Burgundavia, not the right link <Burgundavia> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Burgundavia <Burgundavia> missed an i <mdke> oh doh <mdke> should have seen that <Burgundavia> that is why there is a page there <Burgundavia> as lots of people don't <mdke> lol <Burgundavia> see it, that is <Burgundavia> amd64 users here? <jsgotangco> wish my laptop has that <mdke> jsgotangco, if the idea of doing moin conversion doesn't repel you, you can use this page to see what needs to be done: <mdke> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/pagesByType <mdke> we're nearly there ;) <jsgotangco> holy <jsgotangco> i don't mind moin really <jsgotangco> but... <jsgotangco> hehe <jsgotangco> nevermind <mdke> sup? <sabmoc> mdke, CanadianTeam has been moined <jsgotangco> that stat aint bad actually <mdke> sabmoc, genius <jsgotangco> its almost there * sabmoc blushes <sabmoc> mdke, did you just wake up? <mdke> not long ago <mdke> isn't it really early with you? <sabmoc> heh, well now its my turn to hit the bed <mdke> same applies @ Burgundavia <sabmoc> almost 2am <mdke> sabmoc, ok sweet dreams <mdke> 10 here <jsgotangco> heh <Burgundavia> 2am is great! <mdke> yeah 2 am is doable <Burgundavia> 4am is better <mdke> but Burgundavia you've probably just got up or something <Burgundavia> nope <mdke> after a couple of hours sleep <Burgundavia> got up at 9am <mdke> ok cool <mdke> body clock is back <Burgundavia> I even went to bed at 11pm last night <jsgotangco> whaddaya know my userpage is still in html hehehe <mdke> lol <mdke> jsgotangco, i'm matt btw <mdke> pleased to meet you <mdke> oh you're the phillippines guy? <jsgotangco> i am jerome <jsgotangco> yes <mdke> ahh <jsgotangco> pleased to meet your acquaintance <mdke> sorry to see your site got deleted <mdke> i believe there is a recycle bin <mdke> but i don't remember how it works <jsgotangco> ahh its ok the n00bs where just learning <jsgotangco> good thing they didnt delete anything else <mdke> heh <jsgotangco> thanks for recovering some parts <jsgotangco> hehe <mdke> np <jsgotangco> hmm wiki work aint so bad after all <mdke> lol <sabmoc|sleeping> goodnight folks <sabmoc|sleeping> Zzzz <jsgotangco> night <mdke> night <mdke> i'm off too <mdke> cyall <jsgotangco> cya <sabmoc|sleeping> Burgundavia, before I go, I dont think Im going to be able to make it to the vanlug in April I'll catch the next one. Do you go to the vancouver meetings too? <Burgundavia> sabmoc|sleeping: haven't been but might go <sabmoc|sleeping> Burgundavia, well I hope you do, If you make it I'll buy you a beer <Burgundavia> sounds good <sabmoc|sleeping> alrighty, nite <sabmoc|sleeping> Burgundavia, take a look under News and Anouncements https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CanadianTeam <sabmoc|sleeping> ok, this time for real.. ZZzz <sabmoc|sleeping> damn <sabmoc|sleeping> cant sleep <jsgotangco> hahaha <jsgotangco> do you happen to play around with Rosetta? <sabmoc|sleeping> that name sounds familiar <Burgundavia> online translation app <Burgundavia> one of 3 <jsgotangco> yes <Burgundavia> IRMA <jsgotangco> i am trying it out <Burgundavia> and Pootle <jsgotangco> but i stll get errors? <Burgundavia> rosetta is very much alpha <jsgotangco> but i just have to type and enter right? <jsgotangco> no special characters whatsoever? <Burgundavia> what do you mean by special chars? <Burgundavia> There is a rosetta channel #rosetta <jsgotangco> its already #launchpad but no one seems awake * Kinnison grins <jsgotangco> lol <sabmoc|zombie> hrmm... brainzzz!! <jsgotangco> aha your wiki page is in html <sabmoc|zombie> blast! <sabmoc|zombie> i'll fix it tomorrow <jsgotangco> *grin* <sabmoc|zombie> are these the hoary docs? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamProjects <jsgotangco> the sure look hoary <sabmoc|zombie> jsgotangco, do you know if the html preview is available in a single page for easier printing? <jsgotangco> no i don't :( <sabmoc|zombie> Or maybe someone can tell me the best way to print out the documentation. <jsgotangco> well im going home <jsgotangco> see you later <sabmoc|zombie> jsgotangco, cya <sm> hi mdke, want to spend a few minutes on stuff ? <sm> or mako ? <mdke> sm, if you like <mdke> hi <sabmoc> is there an easy way to print out the current documents? <mdke> hi sabmoc <mdke> not sure <sabmoc> goodday mdke <mako> hey dude <mdke> hi mako <sabmoc> maybe we could start exprorting snapshots to pdf <sabmoc> exporting, even <mdke> sm, ping <mako> mdke: hola <mdke> :) <sabmoc> brb <sm> ack, where's my sound <mdke> sm, ping {louder} <sm> oh I killed esd so I could hear something else <mdke> heh <sm> sucky ubuntu eh.. <sm> oops <mdke> sm, do you use ubuntu? <mdke> ah <mdke> that's a yes ;) <mdke> sm, how you doing? <sm> good thx.. I see you're nearly finished with stx pages <mdke> heh <mdke> 30 odd to go <sabmoc> that reminds me, my userpage is still html * mdke peers at sabmoc <sabmoc> eep! <mdke> lol <sm> mako, what are we going to do about zwiki upgrades.. cut to the end of the story :) <sm> who's gonna do it <sabmoc> haha <mdke> oooh <sabmoc> mdke, it did it again, it wouldnt show me the html markup until I saved and reloded the page. <mdke> sabmoc, html is a bit dodgy i think <mdke> when you edit it it doesn't show you the whole code <sabmoc> ah <mdke> it tries to let you edit it as it appears <mdke> unless you open it in an external editor <mdke> lol http://www.uninteresting.info/archives/images/bart-google-thumb.gif <sabmoc> lol <sabmoc> good advice <sabmoc> speaking of which <sabmoc> does moin have a tag for <center> ? <mdke> no <sabmoc> blast! <mdke> lol * sabmoc mumbles <sabmoc> haha <mdke> its not cut out for design <sabmoc> yeah, oh well <mdke> emphasis on content <sabmoc> Im actually beginning to prefer moin <mdke> :) <sabmoc> Im discovering a whole new form of lazyness <sabmoc> and just when I thought I couldn't get any lazyer <mdke> laziness is an art <sm> sabmoc: prefer it to what ? <sm> mdke: deleted pages go to /recycle_bin <mdke> sm, thanks <mdke> sm, you're doing a zwiki update? <sm> no, I can't <mdke> sure <mdke> but you're hoping to do one ;) <mdke> ? <sm> right.. we're talking about how to re-establish the process <mdke> cool <sm> otherwise many things on the wishlist are held up <sm> but mako and I are playing irc tag around the world :) <mdke> lol <sabmoc> mdke, ok stop peering at me, it is fixed. <mdke> lol <mdke> awesome <sabmoc> sm, prefer it to html, but not really, just beause I am lazy <sabmoc> and now.. badger time! <sm> ah <mdke> ? <mdke> sabmoc, you have a badger? <sabmoc> no, im making one <sabmoc> frankenbadger! <mdke> hmm <sabmoc> no, inkscape <mdke> linux on a dead badger? <sabmoc> hmm, nice badger, does it run linux? <mdke> http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml <mdke> so you're designing a logo? <mdke> awesome <sabmoc> mascot <mdke> yeah sorry <sabmoc> should be finished tomorrow <sabmoc> or maybe today <mdke> awesome <mdke> check out that howto tho its great <sabmoc> omg <sabmoc> To install antenna, make a small incision with the pocketknife at the nape of the badger's neck. Then shove the antenna down the badger's back under the hide. Antenna must lie as flat as possible along the spine, or security will be suboptimal. Antenna may also be installed by cutting the badger's back skin open, but requires post-installation stitchery to restore structural integrity; this method is recommended for licensed taxidermist <sabmoc> s only. <sabmoc> thats just wrong <mdke> keep readin <mdke> sm, did you see that other thing about the pics? <sm> I lost it.. do you remember it <mdke> sure <mdke> the little pics at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/portal_memberdata/portraits/ don't have suffixes <mdke> sm, there might be thousands of the buggers tho <sm> that link doesn't work for me.. how did you get there ? * sabmoc is away: onBlur(); <mdke> ok sorry <mdke> example: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/portal_memberdata/portraits/118 <sm> but how are those accessible on the site <mdke> people post them in their userpages and they come up in stx <sm> you can set them in preferences, right <mdke> no idea <mdke> in the pages i've seen they are just posted as links <sm> can I see one <mdke> erm <mdke> hang on <sm> I don't find any in the ubuntu wiki.. <mdke> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AlexanderPoslavsky <sm> dang.. search for "portraits" doesn't match that url <sm> plovs causing trouble :/ <sm> he added that in his preferences <sm> but unfortunately it will always be without a suffix <mdke> right <sm> plone names these according to the username <mdke> but the address works on its own in a browser doesn't it? <sm> certainly <sm> but we can't link those in moin at all afaik, except by changing moin rules <mdke> not a problem <sm> unless.. we could get the apache admin to put in a rewrite rule, to just strip off the suffix <sm> then it would work <mdke> sounds like too much bother <sm> I think portraits could be useful <sm> you could also not use prefs, just upload the image to the wiki <mdke> yeah exactly <mdke> whats the score on making moin the default markup? <sm> let's talk about what that means exactly * sm looks at edit form <sm> - move it to the top of the page types list <mdke> maybe <mdke> i don't know how it works <sm> what else <sm> I think that is probably what people mean <mdke> oh <sm> I can do that now <mdke> what i mean is <mdke> sm, when you create a new page, moin be the selected markup <mdke> so that people who don't look at that bit or change it because they don't know any of the markups, just leave it as moin <sm> yeah, I think it just needs to move to the top of the list <sm> there <sm> good move :) <mdke> cool <mdke> awesome thanks sm <sm> re the login redirect problem - I have seen it only when using the zwiki skin <sm> I think <mdke> right <mdke> i filed a bug <mdke> do those get assigned to you or elsewhere? <sm> I bookmarked it <mdke> ty <mdke> but perhaps its not your fault <mdke> maybe its plone <sm> they get assigned to louise <sm> so it's her fault <mdke> heh <mdke> i think more likely they don't get assigned at all * sm tries to debug locally, foiled by a plone bug <sm> out of time, I'll have to try again <mdke> lol <mdke> poor sm <sm> see you <mdke> bye #ubuntu-doc 2005-04-03 <jsgotangco> greetings <sabmoc> jsgotangco, hey dude <jsgotangco> alex hey you still awake haha <sabmoc> its only 6pm <sabmoc> of course im awake <jsgotangco> oh you already slept then <sabmoc> im alaways awake >_> <jsgotangco> i thought you were still in zombie mode <sabmoc> no, drank some holy potion and im ok now <jsgotangco> hope its not moonshine <sabmoc> thats too holy for me <sabmoc> i prefer beer <jsgotangco> im so bored here at work i wanna go home its only 10:30 am but the holiday feeling is already in me <sabmoc> everyday is like that for me <jsgotangco> well we're having some catholic holidays starting tommorow till sunday <sabmoc> ah cool * sabmoc is back (gone 05:31:20) <sabmoc> im going to draw for a bit, ill be back later <jsgotangco> k see ya <EricNeon> any body could build a web site as "www.chubuntu.org" for Chinese team of ubuntu? <jsgotangco> hi eric <jsgotangco> you might want to check out the wiki pages for details on registering a domain with the ubuntu name <jsgotangco> but if your local team is already established, you can always request ubuntu for an ubuntu-cc.org domain <jsgotangco> i think for china, it might be ubuntu-cn <jsgotangco> ubuntu.cn.org i believe <jsgotangco> wait should be ubuntu-cn.org <jsgotangco> its best you consult the wiki first <EricNeon> ok <EricNeon> ubuntu-cn <EricNeon> when could web site begin? <EricNeon> just "www.ubuntu-cn.org" <jsgotangco> you have to consult matthias urlichs for that <jsgotangco> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MatthiasUrlichs <EricNeon> I had find it ,but I can't see it <EricNeon> let me retry <sabmoc> EricNeon, hi, are you thinking of starting a local team for china? <sabmoc> I am in the process of starting a Canadian team <sabmoc> EricNeon, you can see our page here, if you have any questions let me know https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CanadianTeam <jsgotangco> you will fail! <jsgotangco> joke <jsgotangco> hehhe <EricNeon> ^ <EricNeon> hello <EricNeon> sabmoc <EricNeon> I will start a Chinese Team for ubuntu <EricNeon> now ,we had some members, for example Hiweed Leng,Carlos Liu, Huahua Easthero <jsgotangco> just make a table <jsgotangco> ill show you later <jsgotangco> i gotta eat first <EricNeon> jsgotangco, where are you from? <EricNeon> I am in Shanghai now <EricNeon> I gotta eat too <sabmoc> hi EricNeon im here <sabmoc> EricNeon, I was just in Shenzhen about a month ago <EricNeon> I am be back <EricNeon> lol~ <EricNeon> nice to meet you sabmoc <EricNeon> many of my friend are in Canada <sabmoc> EricNeon, nice to meet you also <sabmoc> I'll be back in one moment <EricNeon> :) <EricNeon> I must re compile xchat <sabmoc> hi <jsgotangco> EricNeon hi i am in Manila at the moment <jsgotangco> i just came from lunch <EricNeon> hoho <EricNeon> I had lunch one hour ago <EricNeon> what are you do in Manila? <EricNeon> I am looking for any body who is love ubuntu in chinese <jsgotangco> EricNeon: i am of chinese descent but unfortunately, i was not trained in mandarin at home <jsgotangco> my grandfather came from guangdong <EricNeon> ohmy english is so pool <EricNeon> :) <jsgotangco> heh its ok man youre cool <EricNeon> I am realy ZheJiang ShaoXing <EricNeon> I work and living at Shanghai <jsgotangco> hello i am jerome <jsgotangco> nice to meet you <EricNeon> me too <EricNeon> now ,I have to working <EricNeon> see you ! <jsgotangco> me too talk to you later <jsgotangco> Burg hi <Burgundavia> salut <sabmoc> hello <EricNeon> hi <Burgundavia> salut all <jsgotangco> salut <sabmoc> HI guys <sabmoc> I finished my badger today :P ..im just watching some tv <jsgotangco> how does it look like now? <sabmoc> want to see it? <jsgotangco> sure <Burgundavia> sounds good <sabmoc> Hi Burgundavia <sabmoc> shall I send it to you also? <sabmoc> jsgotangco, sent <Burgundavia> yes <jsgotangco> the breezy badger? <jsgotangco> i thought it was benny badger <BuffaloSoldier> the last i heard it was breezy <sabmoc> yep thats what I heard <sabmoc> jsgotangco, so what do you think, any suggestions? <jsgotangco> on the UbuntuDownUnder wiki, it was "bendy badger" <jsgotangco> hmmm <sabmoc> well the announcement for the mascot competition says breezy, but it doesnt matter I can just edit that text and change to to whatever I need to. <BuffaloSoldier> i got breezy from here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20381 <sabmoc> BuffaloSoldier, I dont think I have introduced myself yet, hello <jsgotangco> can anyone log into the wiki i get authentication failures <BuffaloSoldier> sabmoc: me too.. hi there <sabmoc> BuffaloSoldier, my names Alex, I'm in Canada <BuffaloSoldier> sabmoc: I'm Firdaus from Malaysia <sabmoc> nice to meet you <Burgundavia> sabmoc: nice work <sabmoc> Burgundavia, have any suggestions? <BuffaloSoldier> what are you guys up to? <jsgotangco> it seems the wiki isnt working at the moment <Burgundavia> sabmoc: to be honest, I liked the badger without the computer <Burgundavia> sabmoc: simpler and cleaner <sabmoc> BuffaloSoldier, Im just showing them a picture I did for the mascot competition <Burgundavia> sabmoc: but the new colour is nice <BuffaloSoldier> Ubuntu is going to have a mascot? :) nice <sabmoc> Burgundavia, yeah Im not so sure about the computer <jsgotangco> ditch the desktop <sabmoc> but then what do I put infront of him? he is positioned to be looking at something <sabmoc> I think I might have to scrap it and start again. <sabmoc> BuffaloSoldier, well hopefully some real artist are also making some pictures :P <BuffaloSoldier> :) <jsgotangco> ok let's hire everaldo then <sabmoc> jsgotangco, so what dont you like about the computer? does it just look crappy, or doesnt match? what.. I need to know. <jsgotangco> desktop is so 90s <jsgotangco> :D <sabmoc> aww common <sabmoc> haha <jsgotangco> well ok make it an lcd monitor at least <jsgotangco> not a crt <sabmoc> I thought it was an lcd :P <sabmoc> but then again, the bagder looks like a raccoon <jsgotangco> ok i didnt look closer to the pic until i made it to a wallpaper <jsgotangco> thats a huge lcd for a laptop <jsgotangco> id love something like that <jsgotangco> hehe <sabmoc> so should I make the laptop smaller? <jsgotangco> well your lcd size should at least match with the keyboard/touchpad size <jsgotangco> and give the laptop some depth i guess <jsgotangco> it looks so thin! <sabmoc> ok, just a second <sabmoc> you mean the keyboard looks too thin, or the whole laptop? <jsgotangco> well the whole thing looks thin for me <sabmoc> ok <sabmoc> I'll fix it up right now <sabmoc> brb <sabmoc> to be honest I did the laptop really really quick :) so Im not surprised you dont like it <jsgotangco> make it a vaio or a dell <jsgotangco> haha <sabmoc> oh common, haha <BuffaloSoldier> guys, got to go.. take care <sabmoc> jsgotangco, ok, I just sent you another copy <jsgotangco> that was fast * sabmoc wishes ubuntu had an art channel <sabmoc> well I didnt do much :P <jsgotangco> how about starting a wiki entry then <jsgotangco> you can start one yourself anyway <sabmoc> good idea, I've been thinking about it <jsgotangco> you might want to chat up with volvoguy <sabmoc> yeah but nobody would know about it <sabmoc> is he an artist? <jsgotangco> well <jsgotangco> advertise yourself then <jsgotangco> yeah <sabmoc> ok, you can be honest <sabmoc> does it still suck? <jsgotangco> this looks much better <jsgotangco> but it doesnt look like a laptop now <sabmoc> its a radioactive badger now <sabmoc> yes, now it looks like a flatscreen and keyboard <sabmoc> thats what I was originally intending <sabmoc> Im going to put two small buttons on the lcd screen <sabmoc> jsgotangco, any more suggestions? Im all ears :) <jsgotangco> change the box <jsgotangco> it looks radioactive <jsgotangco> hehe <sabmoc> hehe <sabmoc> ok <sabmoc> Im not so good will color composition <jsgotangco> that would do for starters i guess <sabmoc> as you can see! lol <sabmoc> well just tell me anything you can think of, changing the color of the box is quick and easy, ill do it right now <sabmoc> what about the badgers new color, is that better? <jsgotangco> ah its ok now after all i guess you are after a cartoon look right? <sabmoc> yeah <jsgotangco> when i was younger, i did draw toons but i ended up drawing more evil horned creatures rather than cute ones <sabmoc> haha <sabmoc> yeah, I used to draw lots of dragons and stuff <jsgotangco> good for you it was dragons <jsgotangco> mine was bipeds with horns and a tail <sabmoc> I drew some of those too <jsgotangco> well i did listen to heavy stuff back then <Kinnison> Morning <jsgotangco> hi <sabmoc> hello <sabmoc> jsgotangco, ping <jsgotangco> 1.38 <sabmoc> jsgotangco, I sent one with slighly saner colors <jsgotangco> blue is ok i just thought you changed that box to a table at least :D <sabmoc> dont like the box eh? <sabmoc> ok, but its so much easier than a table <jsgotangco> i know <jsgotangco> i mean <jsgotangco> i just felt you just put a box there to finish it <jsgotangco> hehe <sabmoc> I did :) <sabmoc> but then I kind of liked it <jsgotangco> its your call <sabmoc> I'll try a table <sabmoc> :) <jsgotangco> i know <jsgotangco> make it a glass table <jsgotangco> har har har <sabmoc> omg <sabmoc> i do a box, you suggest a glass table! lol <jsgotangco> or a table with a victorian accent <sabmoc> gah! <sabmoc> how about a box, and i'll put for skinny boxes under neath so they look like legs <sabmoc> s/for/four/ <jsgotangco> its still a box! <sabmoc> but.. but.. <jsgotangco> do you use a box to put your PC on top? <sabmoc> yes <jsgotangco> suuureee <sabmoc> I think i'll just fix the monitor and send it in.. I have to start doing some real work <jsgotangco> have you seen the entries of other participants? <sabmoc> jsgotangco, ping <sabmoc> no maybe Im the only one <sabmoc> haha <sabmoc> lets hope not <sabmoc> want to see the final draft? <sabmoc> of course you do :D <jsgotangco> i do? <sabmoc> yep <sabmoc> I made a glass table <sabmoc> it is inside the box <jsgotangco> haha <jsgotangco> well that shadow did make a difference you know <sabmoc> :) <sabmoc> a good difference I hope! <sabmoc> but I already changed, it, the mouth looked a bit funny, its cleaned now in my copy <jsgotangco> your box is off a little bit in the dimensions department <sabmoc> yeah, and the shading isnt right either <sabmoc> I'll adjust the box dimensions and the shade but im not making it a table, too much work :P <jsgotangco> hehe <jsgotangco> gee <jsgotangco> its almost 6pm here but the sun is still up <sabmoc> ah, those wonderful days <jsgotangco> i guess summer is really here then <sabmoc> jsgotangco, you're going to hate me <sabmoc> haha <jsgotangco> haha <jsgotangco> what is this <sabmoc> what? nothing! <sabmoc> haha <sabmoc> its a badger <sabmoc> the box still needs to be tweeked a bit <jsgotangco> i know <jsgotangco> i dont see any difference <jsgotangco> youre messing up my wallpaper <jsgotangco> haha <jsgotangco> hmm <sabmoc> haha <jsgotangco> i got another email from canonical <jsgotangco> about the conference * sabmoc feels so left out <jsgotangco> awww <jsgotangco> i just got lucky i got it <jsgotangco> after the holidays this week, i gotta fix my papers already <Burgundavia> lucky man <Burgundavia> I went to Mataro partially on my own money <jsgotangco> how is it like? <jsgotangco> i mean meeting up with these guys <Burgundavia> really really cool <Burgundavia> I saw a quote in lwn that said "You couldn't tell the difference between the canonical people and not", and that was true <jsgotangco> really <Burgundavia> almost half the people there were canonical <Burgundavia> most of the rest sponsored <jsgotangco> it would be my first time to attend such an event actually, ive been limited to mostly local linux events <Burgundavia> there was a a rocking atmosphere <jsgotangco> so im kind of jittery <jsgotangco> i dont know what to expect <Burgundavia> I should have applied for money <Burgundavia> I probably would have got some <jsgotangco> i mean <jsgotangco> they opened up sponsorship for those in the immediate area <jsgotangco> i took the chance of applying <Kinnison> burger! <jsgotangco> i was never expecting it <jsgotangco> till mako emailed me a week ago <Burgundavia> Kinnison: hello * Kinnison ruffles Burgundavia <Burgundavia> Kinnison: think there is still a chance I can get some money? <Kinnison> Burgundavia: Dunno; you can try <jsgotangco> money? <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: you are getting sponsored to go right? <Burgundavia> money from Canonical <Burgundavia> Kinnison works for them <jsgotangco> yes <jsgotangco> is that so? <jsgotangco> i got an email from the travel agent <jsgotangco> he told me he can only fly me on the 23rd <jsgotangco> that gives me a whole day of doing nothing in sydney <jsgotangco> via Quantas * Kinnison arrives at 0615 on the 24th <jsgotangco> but im coming from manila <Kinnison> jsgotangco: direct, or via HK or singapore? <jsgotangco> direct <Burgundavia> ah, the wonders of flying from UK --> Aus <jsgotangco> Kinnison: it would be direct <jsgotangco> Claire emailed me just now <Kinnison> jsgotangco: coo <jsgotangco> but i asked her if its ok for me to arrive a day
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