#ubuntu-uk 2010-12-01 <DanielRM> Anyone awake? <dutchie> technically, yes <sam_010203> hello... <DanielRM> Any experience with VPNs? <dutchie> old forgotten experience <DanielRM> Friend's trying to get a recommendation for a UK-based one. <DanielRM> His sister's moving to France and wants iPlayer access. <shauno> not familiar with any hosted options myself. I just made sure to get a UK-based vps <DanielRM> Fair enough. <Azelphur> yea, bitfolk do good VPS's :p <Azelphur> or you can get one off Daviey but paying him is fun :D <shauno> bitfolk would be my recommendation for that route too <Azelphur> plus you can do other stuff besides VPN with it, like a bouncer or small website. <shauno> well proud of myself. 3am and I managed to write route instead of router :) <dutchie> pah, it's early <shauno> watching top gear: apocalypse. and now I wish I owned a car. <shauno> (well, on paper I do. but I'd really like one that's on the same continent as me) <screen-x> morning :) <czajkowski> aloha <MichealH> Hey :) <czajkowski> aloha <AlanBell> morning all <daubers> Morning <daubers> Anyone know a good solicitor <daubers> ? <MooDoo> daubers, no i don't but here's the obligatory, everything ok? <daubers> MooDoo: Estate agent sent someone in to paint a few patches of wall yesterday, they didn't use any covers so have damaged a few things <MooDoo> daubers, ah :( <daubers> One of which can't be replaced <daubers> According to a friend who's a barrister I can do them for negligence if they refuse to repair what they've damaged <MooDoo> well fingers crosed then <daubers> Yep, just have to try and not get too shouty at the estate agents when i can ring them <daubers> At least this ig doo news (for me anyway) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11879051 <MooDoo> yay o/ <screen-x> daubers: :( <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning peeps! <screen-x> morning TheOpenSourcerer <diplo> Morning all <screen-x> mmmm warm tea in cold hands <MooDoo> lovely <screen-x> and jet on last.fm :) <daubers> "jet"? <screen-x> daubers: http://www.last.fm/music/Jet <DanielRM> Morning. <daubers> screen-x: I see * daubers puts on the soundtrack to "The Muppets Christmas Carol" <TheOpenSourcerer> Gosh: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/11/24/armys-revolutionary-rifle-use-afghanistan/ <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: That's been in the works for a little while. They've also got a sniper rifle coming out soon that can help take in account things like drift over ranges of greater than 3000ft <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/26/futuristic_guns_feature/ <bigcalm> Ahoy hoy! <MooDoo> hullo <nperry> Morning all :) <TheOpenSourcerer> Here's a quick Q... Is there an easy way to reset an Ubuntu [server in this instance] back to a "default/as first installed" state? <MartijnVdS> Don't you really want preseeded installs? :) <TheOpenSourcerer> Probably... What's that then? <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: Take an image after you've installed it (first time) and then just restore the image? <daubers> (dd is your friend) <TheOpenSourcerer> daubers: That is a good idea if I have a time machine ;-) <nperry> I've got one. <MartijnVdS> partimage is more of your friend <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: preseeded installs = automatic (usually network) install with a script to answer all questions that come up <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: for automated installs <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: that's what I do at work all the time :) <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahh - I see. <MartijnVdS> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/installation-guide/hppa/preseed-contents.html <daubers> Right, ultimatum given to estate agents, they have 45 minutes left to get back to me <TheOpenSourcerer> Thanks, I think I will use daubers' suggestion and just go and build a nice new clean VM then clone it before I break it again. <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: that help.ubuntu.com link might be useful as well :) <TheOpenSourcerer> Am reading it now MartijnVdS <nperry> daubers: Did they give you notice about coming in to paint? <MartijnVdS> it's too cold to paint anyway L( <MartijnVdS> :) <nperry> its to cold to function :./ <nperry> caffeine hasn't kicked in yet. <screen-x> TheOpenSourcerer: pre-seed would prob take longer, but is really handy once you have it set up. <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes, it would be useful once a preseed file is built. I can see that. <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: http://www.arsgeek.com/2006/09/19/ubuntu-tricks-how-to-generate-a-list-of-installed-packages-and-use-it-to-reinstall-packages/ <gord> heh, i have to put in my password four times on boot now <Ng> that is three times too many! <MartijnVdS> gord: crypted partitions? <gord> Ng, this is with auto-login too ;) <gord> MartijnVdS, yeah, one of them <Ng> gord: other than crypto, what else?! <gord> i think its gwibber/empathy. the fourth one is new though <screen-x> gord: gnome keyring? <gord> screen-x, well gwibber/empathy are gnome keyring based <popey> morning all <screen-x> morning popey <screen-x> gord: so you shouldn't need to enter a password for either.. * daubers waits for the estate agent to ring back again <wintellect> daubers: buying? selling? both? <kazade> morning all <nperry> daubers: I don't think they'll do anything, if they gave you notice of them coming in... <kazade> I actually have an Ubuntu related question! \o/ <kazade> Does anyone know how to install the correct nvidia binary driver without using Jockey? (jockey-gtk and jockey-text are borked on my Natty install) <kazade> It's running nouveau atm <daubers> nperry: They didn't. They've also failed in their care of duty to the occupants belongings, which makes them negligent <nperry> sudo apt-get install nvidia-current <kazade> nperry, I tried that.. but it didn't work :( <daubers> wintellect: Screaming <nperry> daubers: Thats the first thing, Your contract should say they have to give you 24hrs notice to access the flat/house <nperry> kazade: What does it say <daubers> nperry: Yup. They've also done this before and I've told them if it happens again I won't complain, I'll call the police for having someone entering the flat without my permission <kazade> nperry, it installs, but when I reboot I get nouveau, if I remove nouveau I get no X <kazade> nperry, I think I'm supposed to run nvidia-xconfig to setup xorg.conf, but nvidia-xconfig doesn't exist and I can't find it anywhere <nperry> kazade: Odd thats what you are meant to run.. <nperry> Have you tried running gksudo nvidia-settigns <kazade> yeah, it tells me to run nvidia-xconfig <nperry> Thats what I though would happen <nperry> !nvidia > nperry <lubotu3> nperry, please see my private message <czajkowski> aloha <nperry> kazade: are you ruinng nvidia-xonconfig under sudo? <nperry> Hello czajkowski <MooDoo> czajkowski, hello :) hope you're well <kazade> nperry, I found nvidia-xconfig but it's not on the path <kazade> it's in something like /usr/lib/nvidia-current/bin <czajkowski> all good thanks * popey tickles kazade <daubers> woot * daubers wins <daubers> Just need repair quotes <screen-x> :D <MartijnVdS> "repair quotes" <screen-x> daubers: without needing legal people? <daubers> screen-x: Yup <screen-x> daubers: double win :) <daubers> screen-x: Shout enough people give you what you want so you just go away <daubers> Also got them to agree that if someone does come into the flat without any notice again, I shouldn't be phoning them, I should go straight to the police and press charges <screen-x> daubers: should get it into the contract that they have to ask before sending contractors round <daubers> screen-x: It is <screen-x> so you have breach of contract already.. <kazade> I'm fairly sure it's law, not just contractual. .. <daubers> screen-x: Yup, thats why I didn't need legal people <nperry> kazade: Your right it is law. When I had a water leak in my old flat, I had to sign a wavier as they hadn't given me the notice to come into the flat * kazade throws his laptop out of the window. ARRRRGHH <kazade> So I finally got the sodding nvidia drivers to kick in, and I can't get past plymouth! <kazade> It just freezes up, and I can't switch VT <kazade> only ctrl+alt+del <directhex> nvidia drivers don't work with plymouth <directhex> bootsplash on maverick with nvidia is text-based <kazade> well, ok, it gives me that big horrible ubuntu logo instead of the high res one <popey> that is normal <popey> for nvidia <kazade> popey, I know, but it doesn't get past that <kazade> ever <kazade> sigh, gonna just stuck with nouveau <popey> odd <kazade> popey, this is natty <popey> oh <popey> ignore me then <kazade> I just fancied testing the new unity <kazade> coz it crashes badly on nouveau <popey> which reminds me, i downloaded the Ubuntu Light ISO last night * kazade wonders why in the world Ubuntu still doesn't have a simple way of booting vesa mode * MartijnVdS wonders why in the world people want vesa mode <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/light/ is the contents of the Ubuntu light iso <kazade> MartijnVdS, for when your graphics drivers mess up? <MartijnVdS> kazade: hasn't happened to me in a long time.. and if X screws up you get an "X failed to start" vesa mode X <MartijnVdS> which lets you repair your X config, etc. <kazade> not if your nvidia drivers crash your system ;) <MartijnVdS> nvidia, there's your problem <kazade> of course, but it would far nicer if Ubuntu gave you a way out <kazade> Windows does... <kazade> that's like when I complained about being stuck at low resolutions when games crash. My #1 response was "fix the game" <kazade> obviously, the game is broken, but it's not great if the OS doesn't deal with it <nperry> kazade: You can install the 3d nouveau driver from xorg edgers <nperry> Not tired it but unity is reported to work like a dream on it <nperry> !info unity natty <lubotu3> unity (source: unity): Interface for Ubuntu Desktop Edition. In component main, is optional. Version 3.2.0-0ubuntu3 (natty), package size 267 kB, installed size 1056 kB <kazade> nperry, that's what I'm running :) * kazade is now wondering if that's why the nvidia drivers didn't work <nperry> I installed the nvidia current on my natty install fine last night.. And unity works.. apart from random compiz crashes <nperry> But you do get a horrible plymouth boot as nvidia driver is so closed down :( <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/light/install/sources.list interesting <popey> http://dell-mini.archive.canonical.com/pool/ also interesting <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/light/pool/main/d/dell-recovery/ also <daubers> popey: Hmm... if you try and open sources.list it starts up the software sources gui <daubers> Not noticed that before <popey> heh <czajkowski> daubers: any luch with the auctioneers? <daubers> czajkowski: Auctioneers? <czajkowski> was that you this morning re paint <daubers> Oh! Estate agents <daubers> They're paying to get the damage repaired and have agreed that if anyone (they're contractor or not) enters my flat again without 24 hours notice and me or the missus present, I can skip them and go straight to the police <daubers> Just hoping my poor guitar can be repaired now :( <czajkowski> :( <daubers> shall take it to the repair shops first thing tomorrow and get some quotes <daubers> suspect it will be Â£x00's <kaushal> hi <kaushal> is there a documentation to setup third party repositories ? <popey> you want to create a repository? <kaushal> popey: yeah <kaushal> popey: I already have a local ubuntu mirror <kaushal> in my office <directhex> daubers: what happened? <popey> http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository kaushal <popey> that took 10 seconds with google <daubers> directhex: Idiot contractors painting without us knowing and not laying dust sheets <daubers> directhex: Gloss paint all over my lovely guitar :( <popey> ouch <popey> will they pay up? <daubers> Yup, if they don't I've already told them I'll take them to court for negligence, at which point they promised to pay up <kazade> hmm, anyone know how to run a command from one VT to affect another? (e.g. run compiz --replace from ctrl+alt+f1) <kazade> I managed to screw up my desktop while reporting it as a bug :) <ali1234> it's not so simple when you are talking about X11 apps <kazade> aha, I used some ingenuity <kazade> I'd lost all keyboard input and the menus were covered by a crashed window <kazade> so I added an application launcher for the Appearance settings ;) <kazade> so then I could access it with the mouse * kazade realizes that njpatel was in here and exactly the guy to talk to.. <daubers> http://twitpic.com/3bv9s9 :( <screen-x> daubers: :( <popey> daubers: how stupid <daubers> popey: I know :( Had to take 2 hours off work in order to ship it around to places tomorrow too <andylockran> morning <andylockran> guys I have two computers on the LAN.. one is an ubuntu box with all my vpns setup, the other is a windows 7 desktop <popey> congratulations andylockran <popey> have a sweet <screen-x> andylockran: wubi can fix that for you <andylockran> what routing config would allow me to route the desktop through the ubuntu machine to get the vpns - should I add the vpns manually to the win 7 machine - telling them the gw is the ubuntu machine - or change the default gw? <screen-x> andylockran: add static routes to the windows box <MartijnVdS> andylockran: you'd have to tell it to route certain IPs to the ubuntu box <popey> _to_ the windows box? <popey> you sure? <popey> oh, hang on, i misinterpreted "to" <MartijnVdS> andylockran: and you'd have to tell the Ubuntu box to accept/route that traffic over the vpn <screen-x> popey: heh ambiguous in that context <andylockran> yeah, I've got the ubuntu box net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 <screen-x> andylockran: you'd also have to advertise your lan to the VPNs, so that vpn clients have a route to your windows box. <screen-x> andylockran: unless you use NAT, but that makes kittens sad. <andylockran> I've added the route to the windows box, but when doing TRACERT.EXE on it, it still goes to the default gw first <andylockran> pants. <screen-x> andylockran: your static routes should be preferred, as they are more specific than the default route. <dogmatic69> anyone know how i would install a new version of apc for php <dogmatic69> it says "You are running an older version of APC (3.1.3p1), newer version 3.1.6 is available at http://pecl.php.net/package/APC/3.1.6" <dogmatic69> and this does not seem to have anything newer https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php-apc <awilkins> Grrr. Dammit, why doesn't the standard libxml library include the fricking schema for XML itself in the catalog <screen-x> dogmatic69: do you have to use the newer version? <dogmatic69> i dont *have* to, but i like new stuff <screen-x> dogmatic69: create a ppa for it :) <andylockran> is setting up ubutu as a router more difficult than I'm thinking it is? <andylockran> i.e. - I can't just turn on ip forwarding and point routes at it? <popey> no, its easy <popey> i had a viglen as my router for some time <popey> running ubuntu <andylockran> wonder where I'm falling down then.. <andylockran> got the local-LAN interface as 636-721-3251, and the vpn endpoint as 636-721-3251 <andylockran> vpn server is 636-721-3251 that provides the route to 636-721-3251/24 <andylockran> routes on the win7 client are "route ADD 636-721-3251/24 636-721-3251, and 'route ADD 636-721-3251/24 636-721-3251' <dogmatic69> screen-x: i only found out yesterday what a ppa is, no clue how to make one <daubers> How weird <daubers> You can now buy customised M&Ms <AlanBell> !ppa <lubotu3> A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and should be used at your own risk. <dogmatic69> so the ppa's could have doggy code in them? <daubers> !woof <dogmatic69> *dodgy <AlanBell> yes, they could <dogmatic69> but ones from 'official' things should be fine? <AlanBell> they tend not to have anything intentionally malicious <dogmatic69> cool <AlanBell> but there is nothing stopping someone putting something really bad in one <dogmatic69> ubuntu removes ones that people moan about i guess <AlanBell> more likely you will find stuff that accidentally breaks things <dogmatic69> ok <AlanBell> think of launchpad ppas as like little projects on sourceforge <Ng> daubers: customised how? can you have them printed with different letters? ;) <daubers> Ng: http://www.mymms.co.uk/ <Ng> heh <daubers> shame it's letters only, or I'd get some done with the circle of friends on for the christmas do <daubers> Oooooh.... * daubers just accepted a delivery for a big box of customised USB sticks in swanky magnetically closing plastic boxes <dogmatic69> nice <czajkowski> does anyone need Ubuntu stickers <daubers> o/ <czajkowski> I also have a stash of Open stack ones as well <daubers> hang on, define "need" <czajkowski> need/want <daubers> oh, then o/ <czajkowski> daubers: pm addrss will post you some <daubers> \o/ <samelco> hi ubuntu-uk, I tried to install gparted on 8.10(intrepid) but i am getting 404 not found <samelco> albeit in a vbox, my intention is to change the boot flag of a fat32 partion on a usb HD so i can install 10.04 from it <samelco> but cant see the usb drive anyhoo so i failed there <samelco> i have this other problem, even though i have screensaver off and powermanagement off the screen goes off after 10 minutes <daubers> !8.10 <lubotu3> Ubuntu 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex) was the ninth release of Ubuntu. End Of Life: April 30th, 2010. See !eol and !upgrade for more details. <daubers> !eol <lubotu3> End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades <samelco> !10.04 <lubotu3> Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) was the twelfth release of Ubuntu. Download http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.04/ - Release Info: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1004 <samelco> !10.04 !eol <SuperBoy> another bot..? <SuperBoy> oh wait, wrong channel D: <samelco> !10.04 eol <samelco> !eol 10.04 <popey> enough <popey> 10.04 desktop has 3 years support, server has 5 years <popey> work forwards from april 2010 <samelco> enough? <popey> poking the bot <JamesTait> !botabuse <lubotu3> Please investigate with me only with "/msg ubottu Bot" or in #ubuntu-bots. Search for factoids with "/msg ubottu !search factoid". <popey> so, whats the exact issue you have right now samelco ? <JamesTait> Ah, that must be in the other channel as well. <samelco> sorry i did not know <samelco> i will go <JamesTait> I really need to learn to type quicker so people don't leave before I'm finished. <popey> I'd just say "one moment" <JamesTait> Or just type shorter sentences. :) <JamesTait> Yeah. <popey> or that <popey> Think less. <popey> Type more. <popey> no, the other :) <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] Call for Talks at FOSDEM 2011 - http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4357 <gord> just tell them to run the following command, then whilst they are busy, type your reply: echo "ReJigging System.. please wait..."; sleep 60; echo "Done!" * popey rejigs gord <daubers> -bash: !": event not found <dutchie> more quoting needed <dutchie> stupid bash quoting <Laney> hit enter more <dutchie> o <dutchie> k <Ng> hey good people who use the powerline stuff - are they strictly point-to-point? What if you want to join two PCs in different rooms to a router downstairs? <MartijnVdS> I've heard the performance is bad <MartijnVdS> (50% of advertised speeds) <gord> Ng, its not point to point no <ali1234> afaik they work like the old coax ethernet <gord> buuuut in my house the speeds suck, 300kbps suck. <Ng> gord: interesting <gord> had such huge hopes for it too :( thinking that the 200mbit ones prolly give much better speeds seeing as they are incompatible with my 80mbit ones, but they are also lots more expensive <Ng> hmm <Ng> well I guess I'll get some for my folks and then return them if they suck <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone any idea why ssh terminal sessions to remote systems tend to "lock up" after a period of time whereas a connection to my server on this LAN does not? The remote terms don't disconnect, they just become frozen... <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: i get that now and then <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Do you have any idea what causes it? I'm wondering if it's something to do with tcpkeepalive packets and routers filtering them or something? <popey> i have no clue <TheOpenSourcerer> I have recently chnaged my router, but the same problem occurs. <popey> it's often when i CTRL+A,D from screen, but dont disconnect from a server <popey> then go to bed <popey> I recently changed my router (previously had a linux box) and it only started happening then <ali1234> i recently changed my router and got this <ali1234> changed from a linux based router to some vxworks junk <gord> popey, where did yo uget the vendetta thing from? <popey> gord: a friend of the author <gord> huh, not in my software centre <popey> :( <popey> i didnt check hence why I said apparently <popey> he did imply that they had trouble getting it in <gord> i'm on natty though, maybe its in maverick? <popey> ah, yes <gord> interesting though regardless <popey> ya <dutchie> it's in my maverick <gord> i would guess a lot of people are anti-it because its not open source... maybe i'm getting old but i just don't care =\ would be nice if there were open source games as fun as closed source ones, but t here aren't so i guess i'll pay for closed source ones <daubers> gord: You have to make a point by not buying any and then be thoroughly annoyed when the publishers just ignore you anyway! Viva la revolution!!! <nperry> !info gnome3-session natty <lubotu3> gnome3-session (source: gnome-session): The GNOME Session Manager - GNOME 3 session. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.32.1-0ubuntu3 (natty), package size 2 kB, installed size 132 kB <diplo> http://cupsizechoir.com/ <diplo> Slightly NSFW <diplo> :) <bigcalm> WTF?! <Azelphur> http://ui12.gamespot.com/1515/sendlink_2.jpg :D <bigcalm> Azelphur: hah <Phineas> i have returned <gord> more snowing \o/ * czajkowski stabs gord at being happy at this <czajkowski> hmm <Phineas> more snow its bloody hot here <Phineas> gord, more snow its bloody hot here * Phineas sips his mint hot cocoa <Laney> more snow? bah! * Laney is on crutches <Phineas> czajkowski, lucky for me no snow but sun sun sun all day * Phineas has a text <Phineas> now that is weird? <daubers> Is there a easy way to get the used size of a filesystem without mounting the device or calling fdisk? <MartijnVdS> not really <popey> cfdisk :) <czajkowski> popey: is there an argos in your area, cant seem to get the site to work here atm <popey> yes <MartijnVdS> popey: libparted 8-) <czajkowski> popey: thanks <popey> there is one in aldershot town centre <czajkowski> ohh <popey> not far from your house <czajkowski> even handier <popey> iirc <czajkowski> thanks <czajkowski> I found the town centre on Sunday <popey> crap isnt it? <daubers> bah <czajkowski> tis rather small <czajkowski> the shopping centre is empty nearly <nperry> czajkowski: welcome to england, where town centres have been overtaken by retail parks. <nperry> town centres now consit of phone shop, game shops, hairdressers and chairty shops. <dogmatic69> the uk has loads of charity shops <dogmatic69> whats up with that? <popey> our retail sector is bombing <popey> thus shop front is cheap because there's an abundance of it <popey> charities need cheap shop fronts <czajkowski> aye same back home <jacobw> charity shops need to spread the word about the great clothes they have :) <Phineas> jacobw, charity shops are hot spots for video games, saw a good Rayman game in the other day <Phineas> popey, charity shops are hosspots for seccond hand games <jacobw> spent ages clearing the road outside and now its bloody snowing again :( <Phineas> jacobw, lucky for me, bloody hot sun here <jacobw> :o <dutchie> Phineas: where is here? <Phineas> dutchie, Danville (not in the USA), are you dutch? <dutchie> no <Phineas> any i gotta go bye <jacobw> i'm secretly pleased that the gym has shut because of the snow, because i'm knackered from previous visits but i don't want to feel guilty about missing classes <jacobw> closure due to snow satisfies all these conditions :) <dogmatic69> lol * MartijnVdS ROFLs at http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/2506-iPhone-Games <dogmatic69> lol <dogmatic69> anyone know if its possible to make a script / alias to open up a terminal with say 5 tabs and run commands in each tab? <MartijnVdS> I'd use screen instead of a terminal with tabs <MartijnVdS> then it's easy <danfish> or even better IMO - byobu <daubers> byobu \o/ <daubers> Also, evening <cps> Evening peeps :) <will_> evening <danfish> lo daubers et al <Curly_Q> Is anyone here familiar with Aptosid Linux distro? Any comments? <Curly_Q> Aptosid seems to cover lots of bases with drivers for lots of hardware. <Curly_Q> The URL for Aptosid is: http://www.aptosid.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=396 <nperry> But we are a group of people that like/use ubuntu. <Curly_Q> That's OK. I use Kubuntu myself. <Curly_Q> I use many Operating Systems. <Curly_Q> I am not prejudiced. <nperry> No and nor am I. <nperry> Anyway my tea is burning.. <Curly_Q> Green tea? <Curly_Q> Green tea is high in anti-oxidents. <Curly_Q> Good for you and a cancer inhibiter. <Curly_Q> http://www.righthealth.com/topic/Green_Tea_Side_Effects?p=l&as=goog&ac=519&kgl=19821599 <Curly_Q> Anyway have a nice day folks. <DanielRM> :-/ <DanielRM> That was quite strange. <nperry> Thats what i thought DanielRM :/ <X3N> Hmmmmmmmm <finelytuned> evening all <dogmatic69> sup <jacobw> quick question, how can i find and replace in list a filenames from terminal <jacobw> well, find and replace in a directory i suppose <finelytuned> jacobw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zx7UE70Ehs <finelytuned> theres a short tutorial for terminal commands <dwatkins> hi folks, does anyone have an ASUS Eee 901 running a recent linux kernel? I get 'No soundcard found' in my dmesg. <nperry> ohhhh unity update seems stable <nperry> time to try gnome3 * MartijnVdS pokes natty.. go away stupid "global menu" <oly> nperry, are you compiling gnome3 ? <oly> would not mind knowing of a upto date ppa for gnome-shell <oly> been trying the ricotz one but i am not convinced its updated <oly> as i never get updtates in synaptics and its so god damn slow on this laptop it must have some bugs <MartijnVdS> oly: upgrade to natty, it has the newest gnome-shell <MartijnVdS> it doesn't work (for me anyway), but it's there <oly> ah, wanted to stay on 10.10 for now :p <oly> but i know gnome-shell runs along side existing system nicely just was after some debs so i dont have to compile <dutchie> i'm fairly sure there is a g-s ppa <nperry> oly: Im using one in natty repo.. <nperry> MartijnVdS: doesn't work for me either <nperry> Just boots into my background <MartijnVdS> ah that's a known bug <MartijnVdS> see Planet Ubuntu, Jamie Strandboge's post <nperry> gnome-shell --replace boots into normal gnome2 though <MartijnVdS> about "bug 683686" <lubotu3> Launchpad bug 683686 in compiz (Ubuntu) "compiz segfaults with non-standard Default.ini" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683686 <nperry> Lets try that <nperry> Be right back <dwatkins> I guess no-one has an ASUS Eee 901, then. <nperry> Nope didn't work... still went to background, gnome-shell --replace just went to gnome2 <oly> wow gnome shell looks much improved over my last look :p <oly> looking at some youtube videos from the last month <ipopey> Lo <nperry> ah evening popey <czajkowski> aloha <czajkowski> ipopey: ello <ipopey> Witches * DJones wonders what czajkowski has said to ipopey for him to say Witches as soon as she speaks <ipopey> Heh <ipopey> Stupid spill checker <czajkowski> :s <shauno> someone's come down with a case of iThumbs :/ * czajkowski makes a mental note, no cake for popey <ipopey> Icake <zleap> what is the other port that cups uses one is 631 <ipopey> Didn't know it did <zleap> i am sure there was another one <ipopey> Nmap a box running cups to find out <zleap> my own then <zleap> can i nmap myself <ipopey> Of course <mgdm> 1114? <mgdm> that's what mine's on <mgdm> err, no, wait :P <mgdm> that would be word wrap + process ID <zleap> i set my firewall up last night so I can ssh in to it from my netbook when thenetbook is using the wireless 3 modem thing <zleap> i just wondered if it was then possible to print from that, if I connect to my external ip address, port forward to my printer <ipopey> I wouldn't <zleap> ok <zleap> so if I want to print i should just do it directly, or copy a file with scp then print after ssh'ing in <ipopey> Anyone could potentially print to your machine if you publicise he port surely? <zleap> ok <ipopey> How often do you need to remote print? <zleap> i was just wondering if this was possible <zleap> what i can do, is ssh in and print that way if i really needed ito <zleap> it should be possible to port forward from a random port number say 5555 to 631 on address what ever <ipopey> Sure <zleap> so that way port 631 is not actually open same was as you may not want to publisize port 22 being open so ssh -p 555 forward to port 22 on the home network <ipopey> I still wouldn't :) <zleap> ok <ipopey> I don't recall ever ever needing to print something at home whilst I am out <zleap> ok <ipopey> Fact is i can print whilst out and it will queue up on laptop <zleap> ok <ipopey> Ten will magically spool to print as soon as i get home <nperry> ipopey: is it snowing where you are at the moment <zleap> cool <ipopey> dunno, check the camera :) <ipopey> http://popey.com/webcam/ <ipopey> Doesn't look like it <ipopey> Of course I could get up and look <shauno> wow. now that's taking not having windows to an extreme <Darael> Nope, no falling snow on the popeycam. <nperry> I'll use your camera at work tomorrow morning, as we are delv'ing near you <nperry> I'm upset that there is no snowman though <ipopey> Blinds are closed in this room <ipopey> Too cold to get up <UndiFineD> popey, your bot-like :p <Darael> popey: s/to get up// <nperry> I hate the news, cold chaos.. Have you looked at other countries, say russia which is -20 at the moment.. <nperry> Now thats cold but it surely isn't chaos <dogmatic69> i was saying that to someone earlier... places like canada have 100ft of snow and still run like normal <dogmatic69> here there is 2" and new headline "uk spending 1.8b p/d due to cold" <nperry> I work with a couple of polish people, every winter all the schools are open and all the airports <dogmatic69> s/spending/loosing <shauno> it's completely different places like canada tho <dogmatic69> its not like a surprise or anything either... winter is every year <nperry> shauno: but it seems to becoming every winter <nperry> A couple of years back sometimes during a winter we never had snow <dogmatic69> true <shauno> I lived in michigan for a few years. they had a pretty decent infrastructure in place to deal with snow. they needed to, because it was pretty much constant for 4 months. <shauno> it's entirely different to dealing with something that may hit for a couple of days (or may not) <nperry> My work is next to local council highway depot, they have used about 50% salt already.. but all the grit lorries are in this evening <nperry> And that was at half 8 <nperry> shauno: might as well pay, better be safe then sorry <shauno> I've a feeling it's physically different too, because they don't grit over there. <nperry> Really, moving back to poland. They are gritting roads 24/7 during winter months <shauno> where I was in the us/canada, they just plough it and drive on what's left. you end up with a pretty permanent ground layer thru most the winter <Pendulum> shauno: we grit in the US <Pendulum> at least where I am <shauno> well, they didn't in north michigan. which is why I think it's handled differently based on quantities <Pendulum> and while it's not one of the msot heavily snowed areas, we usually get a decent amount of snow (certainly enough that we don't shut down most of the time) <shauno> then you run into other issues, like people here simply not being comfortable driving on it, and crawling around everywhere making a nuisance of themselves. <shauno> not saying it couldn't be handled better here. just that the difference between getting a shock blast, and something constant and predictable, is pretty high * Ng idly wonders if anyone has a samsung internet@tv device <jacobw> i think the british have a strange desire to be disrupted by snow and subconsciously don't prepare for the inevitable snowfall :s <Jibadeeha> snow is a good excuse for some to work from home <JamesTait> Fun story about "remote printing". <JamesTait> Couple of weeks ago I was in Buenos Aires for the Web & Mobile sprint. <JamesTait> Friday came and I did the online check-in thing. <JamesTait> I asked Martin, whose apartment we were using, if I could print out the boarding passes. <JamesTait> "Sure," he says, "the printer's on the network. It's an HP. It's the only one." <JamesTait> So I printed to the only printer on the network, which was an HP. <JamesTait> I went to his office, nothing on the printer. <JamesTait> So we did the usual switch off/on, etc. <jpds> http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/England/London~2643743/hour_by_hour.html <JamesTait> I looked at my laptop and there were now two HP printers. <jacobw> o/ jpds <JamesTait> So I asked him which one, and sure enough it was the new one. <jacobw> this happens with Windows and printers JamesTait <JamesTait> We laughed, and moved on. <jacobw> every time a printer is connected, it is added to list of network printers <jacobw> or local printers <JamesTait> This Monday, one of the guys who was also on the sprint started work, having taken the week after the sprint as holiday. <JamesTait> My boarding passes had spooled on his laptop, and printed on his HP printer when he got home. :) <jacobw> ha <JamesTait> Create smarter technology, and we'll find a dafter way to break it. :) <jacobw> true JamesTait #ubuntu-uk 2010-12-02 <JamesTait> But in general I have been very impressed with the way printing on Linux has progressed in recent years. <xapel> when you right click on a folder you have the option to encrypt... is this safe to do on your entire home folder? <dutchie> wouldn't have thought so <JamesTait> I'm not sure what the option actually does. I have a feeling it just creates a GPG-encrypted file. <JamesTait> If that's the case, you wouldn't be able to open the file without first GPG-decrypting it. <JamesTait> Odd, I don't seem to have the encrypt option at all in my context menu. <xapel> do you have the cryptsetup package installed? * JamesTait checks. <JamesTait> I'm sure I used to have that option. <JamesTait> Yes, yes I do. <JamesTait> I'm currently on an ecryptfs root + ecryptfs home, so I think it's required for me to even be able to boot. <JamesTait> Or at least to create a bootable initramfs when I do a kernel upgrade. <xapel> I wanted to encrypt an external drive the other night and I had to install it <xapel> anyway...we still havn't really solved the mystery as to what the encrypt... option does, whether it's safe to do it on your home folder, and why you don't have it <JamesTait> No, I was going to try it out and see. <JamesTait> xapel: Is it this option? http://ur1.ca/2hc73 <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] You Know What We Need In The Ubuntu Community? - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/12/02/you-know-what-we-need-in-the-ubuntu-community/ <Billy_D_Kidd> :ping <AlanBell> no school today here <PhilT> where's here ? <popey> morning all <popey> same here <popey> Farnborough <AlanBell> Farnham <PhilT> business as usual in Northamptonshire <PhilT> anyone views on a newbie trying to test Natty alpha report bugs ? (newbie to testing) <danfish> morning * danfish is still very stuck abroad :( <kazade> morning peeps <popey> lo <popey> PhilT: what specifically do you need help with? <kazade> I've upgraded my girlfriend's netbook to 10.10 - is there any way to get the 10.04 ui back? <kazade> I know about the 2D option at gdm, but that's not the same (the icons are too big and I have both gnome panels and no tiny window switcher at the top left <kazade> ) <popey> I know mark (on the podcast) has 10.10 with the 10.04 UI <kazade> popey: don't suppose you can ask him how? * kazade is in trouble for upgrading <popey> http://twitter.com/#!/marxjohnson <popey> ask him yourself :) <PhilT> Popey: I tried the alpha daily build on a netbook to get a djennings@example.org. Several thinks went wrong with the desktop (elements of it crashing). Next days was worse - most of desktop disappeared. Am I premature ? <popey> I'm not surprised tbh <PhilT> so I should wait and lt more experienced hands get it more in shape, or report bugs now ? <popey> well i wouldn't say that :) <popey> if you have the time and motivation to help then I'd suggest getting involved sooner rather than later <popey> might be worth joining the #ubuntu-testing irc channel <PhilT> Hmm. If I can get a working desktop again from which to file bugs I'll have a go ! <popey> you can file bugs from a non-working desktop too :) <popey> its just not as easy <PhilT> true, but I didn't need the pain of command line wifi to get to that point <popey> hehe <PhilT> also I was a bit challenged on how to report "unity starts up then the desktop falls apart" as a bug ! I made a video instead. <MooDoo> hello all <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all - from a very snowy GU10. We got dumped on last night... Kids' schools closed. Car under 6" of fresh snow. <popey> ditto :0 <AlanBell> I have just been digging for chickens <TheOpenSourcerer> Do you have another timelaps recording popey? <bigcalm> Oh to be a kid again <bigcalm> Morning peeps :) <popey> i will do <popey> i am keeping every pic <TheOpenSourcerer> lol <popey> alan@wopr:~$ du -hs webcam/archive/ <popey> 2.5G webcam/archive/ <TheOpenSourcerer> It's great that storage is so cheap now... I saw eBuyer pimping 2TB drives for Â£60 the other day. <bigcalm> Oh my <MooDoo> lions and tigers and bear....oh my! <TheOpenSourcerer> It has started snowing again... <MooDoo> here to, but i made it to work.... <bigcalm> I've told my parents that I'd set up an rsync to my house for them. Time to hunt for a relyable external storage solution <TheOpenSourcerer> Forecast was for <8" today here too <jacobw> TheOpenSourcerer, i've checked the weather forecast for Leeds, 09:00 heavy snow 12:00 heavy snow 15:00 light snow <bigcalm> Tweet from my boss: OH (son): I love the Prodigy, they've got a song called Smack Your Female Dog Up <TheOpenSourcerer> I hope the RAT will be running on Saturday night. Was supposed to be playing Golf tomorrow :P <MooDoo> http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/weather < me <jacobw> i can see it being exactly the same as yesterday, everybody struggles in the work and turns back round within a couple of hours causing gridlock on the roads <jacobw> in to work even <TheOpenSourcerer> Bit like "spam, spam, spam"... <TheOpenSourcerer> Just "snow, snow, snow" <jacobw> we have snow every year, and each year we're not prepared and panic about it * jacobw grumbles <TheOpenSourcerer> jacobw: We didn't used to have snow every year... Three yrs ago was the first for "ages". <TheOpenSourcerer> I remember saying to my kids "make the most of this" it doesn't happen every year :-P <jacobw> http://www.snowchains.co.uk/main/weisssock.htm <jacobw> i saw a volvo with these on yesterday, smart :) <bigcalm> Cool <diplo> Our MD sent out an email yesterday saying unless it's 6' deep he expects everyone to make it <diplo> Bit of a c*ck tbh <jacobw> i'm driving out to a customer 6 miles away, it took me 3 hours to drive back yesterday, i really don't want to repeat that again today :( <diplo> :/ <screen-x> morning :) <screen-x> <--- LaserJet Cleaning Technician <AlanBell> diplo: http://newsthump.com/2010/12/01/im-so-important-i-simply-had-to-make-this-journey-insist-stranded-mid-level-executive-pricks/ <MooDoo> diplo, what a tosser <screen-x> AlanBell: great descriptive url <diplo> heh I Liked that <MooDoo> diplo, what does your company do? <maco> AlanBell: nice <diplo> Software company in Nottingham <diplo> 90% of staff could work from home <diplo> And local ones could do support calls <diplo> I can't see the issue myself <popey> we're all working from home too :) <bigcalm> Blah at working from home <popey> heh <daubers> Morning * popey hugs vpn, ssh and vnc <jacobw> smug home workers :p <popey> almost can't make out the water feature anymore on the webcam <popey> too much white <daubers> Bah, can't work from home today, got a couple of servers that need to be shipped abroad <dutchie> finally snowing properly here <dutchie> \o/ <bigcalm> jacobw: I work from home every day. Nothing smug about it <MooDoo> bigcalm, i wish i could :D how long have you worked from home? <jacobw> bigcalm, i fully agree with working from home <bigcalm> MooDoo: 16 months <jacobw> everbody who can work from home, should do in this day and age <bigcalm> I miss the social interaction * daubers ponders some hot choccy instead of his normal morning cuppa * bigcalm watches the snow falling and grrs <MooDoo> bigcalm, that's pretty much the reason we don't home work here * daubers ponders setting up a company jabber server <jacobw> irc + mumble <daubers> jacobw: jabber would be compatible with iChat on the macs though <popey> daubers: ichat does jabber? <popey> so it does <nperry> Damm shouldn't of tried to get into work <nperry> Its cold her <nperry> e <kazade> popey, I think I managed to get the netbook back to 10.04 stylee <kazade> the only issue is the icons on the "2D" remix are way too big <popey> :( <kazade> my gf used unity for 2 minutes before she hit a website that wouldn't fit horizontally <kazade> but would if that side bar had autohide <AlanBell> yay for a broken internet thanks to 960.gs <popey> uhhh <krimzon2> why is it that at 3am cron says it can't find the file, but then when i edit crontab to run this morning it reports the output from the script running? <krimzon2> *can't find the script file <Ng> PATH issues? <krimzon2> both times it was cron running, and i've set ROOT=/ in crontab <krimzon2> i'll read up a bit more on that stuff though * diplo is getting festive, Xmas tunes on youtube <bigcalm> I wonder if there are any festive drum & bass tunes out there <MartijnVdS> does clownstep count? <bigcalm> Clownstep? Oh my <bigcalm> Linky <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: just youtube search for it :) <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPXPwr06eAA <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: I'm lazt <bigcalm> lazy <bigcalm> Ta <bigcalm> Humm <bigcalm> Doesn't do anything for me <TheOpenSourcerer> krimzon2: cron can be a bit touchy about paths. Does the crontab entry have the full path to the script? <krimzon2> yeah <screen-x> krimzon2: is there something that runs at 02:00 that messes it up, and something else that runs at 04:00 that fixes it? <krimzon2> hmm... there's only two non-default scripts in crontab, one svn updates repositories and one runs the full backup of everything <krimzon2> the only difference is the backup drive being mounted in /media/ <krimzon2> i unplugged it this morning expecting it to have run the backup <krimzon2> now i'm in work and can't plug it back in <daubers> popey: iChat does xmpp <screen-x> it would be most useful to be able to switch off usb sockets individually, then you can turn them back in remotely. <krimzon2> it would if i could also remotely power on the drive <daubers> screen-x: firewall rules for USB :) <krimzon2> i suppose that's doable with a serial interface <SuperBoy> ok, is anyone's empathy broken this morning? <daubers> screen-x: Can't you just use some form of udev rule? <SuperBoy> I can't send any messages <screen-x> daubers: yeah, to prevent whatever is plugged in from being used, but that isn't the same as switching off the port. <SuperBoy> oh wait, it looks like it's just msn <screen-x> daubers: so that bus powered stuff is powered down <krimzon2> SuperBoy: i've had certificate problems with MSN in pidgin the past week or so <daubers> Hmmm... shame IPMI doesn't let you do that really * bigcalm doesn't care any more <bigcalm> Does that mean my empathy is broken? <SuperBoy> krimzon2: I don't think it's certificates. I just can't start a chat with anyone on msn <krimzon2> msn is broken <SuperBoy> very <screen-x> SuperBoy: I'm surprised there is anyone left to talk to on msn.. <SuperBoy> there are a few, but I think most of the people I speak to are on google these days <SuperBoy> or on irc <SuperBoy> or facebook <daubers> screen-x: At least MSN conversations can be compressed easily, I mean 90% of the traffic must just be people saying "OMG WTF LOLZ" <screen-x> (g) <screen-x> any suggestions for last.fm artists/tags to listen to this morning? <SuperBoy> what are you in to? <bigcalm> Drum & bass <MartijnVdS> screen-x: Akufen (artist) <SuperBoy> I would certainly suggest some trans-siberian orchestra <bigcalm> I'm listening to whatever http://www.di.fm/ has to offer <screen-x> Thanks :) <popey> wow, the new flash 10.2 is a bit good <popey> full screen anyway <bigcalm> And Drupal wizards in here? <DaisyTheCow> I hope I'm not off-topic here but I've had a lot of problems with Cron in the past. I now use Fcron. I think it's superb. <screen-x> DaisyTheCow: seems pretty on topic to me... <screen-x> How do I redirect connect stderr to a pipe? blah >outfile 2>|less doesn't work <MartijnVdS> screen-x: let me tell you a storry :) <MartijnVdS> story* * screen-x sits and listens intently * krimzon2 googles fcron <MartijnVdS> screen-x: man bash, /^REDIRECTION <MartijnVdS> screen-x: it has a list of examples <MartijnVdS> http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/io-redirection.html also has some nice bits <screen-x> MartijnVdS: Just read the section in the bash man page, and couldn't see anything about creating pipelines from other outputs (ie not stdout) <MartijnVdS> screen-x: you have to do it in a special roundabout way :) <MartijnVdS> screen-x: look for "Redirecting only stderr to a pipe" on the tldp.org link <MartijnVdS> it has a fully-commented working example <screen-x> I see... <screen-x> I think my made up syntax is better :p <screen-x> Thans MartijnVdS <czajkowski> made it to work <TheOpenSourcerer> Yay! czajkowski - was following your journey on twitter. <gord> ... so evince has two options for rotation of pages. "rotate left" and "rotate clockwise" <MichealH> AlanBell: ping <MartijnVdS> gord: nice :) <AlanBell> o/ <MichealH> AlanBell: /msg? <AlanBell> sure <AlanBell> no school today MichealH? <MichealH> Were colosed today <MichealH> Its hily likley I will be off tommorow <MichealH> Thats good, I need to catch up on some things <Ng> gord: in the source? or is that some kind of broken, partial en_GB translation? :o <gord> Ng, i would assume its a translation thing <gord> this *is* in natty though * Ng hands gord all the bugs <gord> i can only assume someone was changing rotate anti-clockwise/clockwise to left/right and somehow died before doing them both <Ng> haha <Ng> when translating in launchpad it sometimes suggests similar translations from other projects - I'm wondering if it remembers that linkage and someone half-linked the rotations, and the other project changed the wording, so LP updated it in evince's translation, but because only half of it was linked... <kazade> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/evince/+pots/evince/en_GB/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=rotate <kazade> So "Rotate Anticlockwise" ? or "Rotate Right" ? <kazade> (e.g. swap the Left -> Anticlockwise, or Clockwise -> Right) <Ng> I'd be tempted to say left/right is better than jargon/antijargon <Darael> clockwise is not jargon. <MartijnVdS> Darael: it makes you think though <MartijnVdS> can't have that <krimzon2> left/right depends on whether your head is above or below the image on the monitor <MartijnVdS> also, what about left-to-right languages <MartijnVdS> do clocks turn the same way there? <Ng> MartijnVdS: this is specifically an en_GB translation <Ng> krimzon2: what? :) <Darael> Yes, they do, I believe. <MartijnVdS> Ng: what about the en_GB muslims and jews?! 8-) <gord> actually no, if your above the monitor and you say to rotate right, it still does the same thing, it all makes sense <MartijnVdS> "Rotate port", "Rotate starboard" <gord> make it left/right, there is no reason to use clockwise/anticlockwise <krimzon2> top-left-to-top-right, top-right-to-rop-left <MartijnVdS> gord: port/starboard is nice though <Ng> MartijnVdS: I'm not really sure what religion has to do with english. If multi-lingual people in this country are reading all their english RTL they're going to be pretty confused <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: rivermead is rather pretty <TheOpenSourcerer> "righty tighty" - "lefty loosey" <czajkowski> shame I've to leave by 1 to get to london for 3 today <MartijnVdS> Ng: good point, but they might be more likely to mix languages :) <Ng> MartijnVdS: and ubuntu is perfect for them because it's so trivial to switch it between translations/orientations! <Darael> I'm in favour of clockwise/anticlockwise - don't see that it makes people have to think. And right/left makes an assumption that people think of the direction the top is moving... mostly that might be reasonable, but why make that assumption when there are entirely unambiguous words available that everyone still knows? <MartijnVdS> but who uses analog clocks these days?! <SuperBoy> I do <SuperBoy> I'm wearing a wrist watch right now <SuperBoy> it's far more convinent that pulling my phone out when I want to know the time <SuperBoy> which also means I don't advertise to pickpockets where my phone is <MartijnVdS> They have digital wrist watches now <popey> only just now <SuperBoy> also, I get complimented on having a watch. I pull up my sleve and the girls swoon <SuperBoy> "Nice watch" they say <SuperBoy> "Thanks," I reply <SuperBoy> then we make out <MartijnVdS> SuperBoy: I don't need a watch for that.. I just wink :) <TheOpenSourcerer> Nice: Francis Maude: "days of mega IT contracts over.. need to rethink.. smaller, off-the-shelf & #opensourceÂ where possible"http://is.gd/i5t1F <AlanBell> as Douglas Adams said, the human race is so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea <Darael> Well quoted, that man. <SuperBoy> I think analgue watches are the peak of human engineering. The design of
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