#xubuntu-devel 2011-01-02 * cody-somerville just upgraded to Maverick. :P <cody-somerville> hmmm <cody-somerville> I think I prefer Bluebird WM theme with Albatross GTK theme to with Bluebird GTK theme. <cody-somerville> I really like the new icon theme. <ochosi> cody-somerville: feel free to try greybird (for natty) #xubuntu-devel 2011-01-03 <charlie-tca> Good morning <ochosi> hi <mr_pouit> hey <cody-somerville> hey <ochosi> mr_pouit: i just got notice from DanRabbit that some of the xfce-relevant stuff was fixed in elementary bzr and i'm hoping the rest will be fixed before natty <ochosi> mr_pouit: can we pull stuff from bzr or does it have to be a proper release? <mr_pouit> we can pull things and put them in elementaryXubuntu if we want <ochosi> hm, again only elementaryXubuntu? <mr_pouit> for the 'real' elementary package in ubuntu, a release is probably better <ochosi> ok <ochosi> i'll ask whether that'll be possible <ochosi> because i think otherwise it would be double the effort <mr_pouit> but no hurry, I think there's still lot of time <mr_pouit> Feb, 24 or March, 24 <mr_pouit> (feature freeze or user interface freeze) <mr_pouit> (after feature freeze, it's more painful though :p) <ochosi> i see, i'll forward that :) #xubuntu-devel 2011-01-04 <charlie-tca> Good morning <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: Can you approve my message sitting in the xubuntu-users mailing list awaiting approval? <cody-somerville> sure <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: menu still needs work in Natty? Applications -> Science -> gnumeric seems wrong. It is also under office... This is the live cd, too. <mr_pouit> not sure. You can report that upstream though <charlie-tca> xfce? <charlie-tca> no, gnome, right <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: no, against garcon on bugzilla.xfcE.org <mr_pouit> I don't know why gnumeric is in both, but it shouldn't afaik <charlie-tca> really? That's where the menu comes from now? <mr_pouit> yeah <charlie-tca> I will do that. <charlie-tca> Thanks <micahg> mr_pouit: FTR, if you're bumping a build-dep, that's not a no-change rebuild <mr_pouit> it is, because soyuz doesn't allow binnmus =] <mr_pouit> but I've no choice, otherwise on ppc and armel it would pick the old version <mr_pouit> but the focus of lp isn't really for ubuntu *developers* anyway =( <micahg> mr_pouit: I'm not saying don't rebuild, I'm just saying, you should use dch -i for those, not dch -R and make sure the version is ubuntuX <mr_pouit> no, because I want them to be synced <mr_pouit> this is a temporary thing, until the buildd lag is solved <micahg> mr_pouit: that's an incorrect version then, needing to sync is a different issue <mr_pouit> sigh <mr_pouit> I made no source change, except the one needed to workaround lp missing features <micahg> mr_pouit: I'll be happy to file the sync requests when Debian's ready for xfce 4.8 <mr_pouit> it's fine to keep buildX, because it's fine to sync the next revision <micahg> mr_pouit: buildX means nothing in the build changed except the changelog <mr_pouit> the ones with real source changes have ubuntuX <mr_pouit> micahg: buildX means it can be autosynced <micahg> mr_pouit: yes, because there were no package changes <mr_pouit> and for the buildX I made no packaging changeâ¦ <micahg> bumping a build-dep is a packaging change, I should've mentioned this in -motu so others could agree/disagree <mr_pouit> no it's not <mr_pouit> it's a workaround for lp uselessness <mr_pouit> (it's not a change I want to keep) <mr_pouit> give me the gb command like in debian and this change will disappear <mr_pouit> but feel free to raise that on -motu if you want * micahg is unfamiliar with gb <mr_pouit> it's to make a give back, and you can specify a minimum b-dep to wait for (e.g. xfce4-panel-dev >= 4.7.7) <mr_pouit> lp doesn't allow that, and the only workaround is to change the b-dep in the sourceâ¦ <micahg> it's only set up that way since there are no assumed changes in a buildX <micahg> oops <micahg> sorry <micahg> mr_pouit: there is something in ubuntu-archive-tools to give back <mr_pouit> is it something like syncpackage, that we're not supposed to use? <micahg> no, I think we can use this, it just triggers a retry of whatever you ask for, it has many options <micahg> oh, it's in ubuntu-dev-tools, called ubuntu-build <mr_pouit> nope, there's no option to do that <mr_pouit> retry only works if it previously failed to build (which you can do from the LP ui as well) <micahg> right <micahg> there's no no source change rebuild en masse option <micahg> bug 245594 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 245594 in Launchpad itself "Rebuilds of binary packages without source changes" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245594 <mr_pouit> opened for more than 2 years <mr_pouit> low priority <mr_pouit> when I say lp main focus isn't ubuntu developers, nobody believes me ;-) <micahg> no, I believe you, but I believe we should try to work within the system while pushing for improvements, we can probably bring this up at the next UDS <micahg> mr_pouit: and as I said, I'm happy to help with the grunt work of getting these packages sync'd later <mr_pouit> I'm not sure the grunt work will come soon though (it will be uploaded to debian only after squeeze) <mr_pouit> but hopefully, it was the last abi break for the panel <micahg> mr_pouit: I'm not going anywhere :) * micahg hopes squeeze will be released soon <mr_pouit> and about lp, the most knownledgable motu is wgrant afaik <micahg> mr_pouit: he's now paid to hack on it :) <mr_pouit> ah, nice (or too bad :p) <cody-somerville> mr_pouit, I believe you ;) <mr_pouit> considering he added the 3.0 (quilt/native) support by himself ;-) <mr_pouit> cody-somerville: huhuhu <emgent> cody-somerville: around ? <cody-somerville> emgent, yup <emgent> can i pm you ? <cody-somerville> emgent, yup #xubuntu-devel 2011-01-05 <charlie-tca> Good morning <micahg> good morning charlie-tca <ochosi> hi <davmor2> morning charlie-tca #xubuntu-devel 2011-01-06 <charlie-tca> Good morning <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #ubuntu-meeting today at 19:00 UTC. Everyone is invited to attend. <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 30 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, cody-somerville : meeting time <charlie-tca> pleia2: ^ ^ <mr_pouit> micahg: so yeah, it's probably fine <mr_pouit> I don't remember why I stopped updating the ppa <micahg> mr_pouit: ok, I'd be happy to help with that <charlie-tca> because it was not working so good at the time <mr_pouit> iirc, the greatest version required is 7.4.2~, by thunar <mr_pouit> other than that, it's the usual 7.0.50~ for overrides <ochosi> charlie-tca: is it possible that pages from the ubuntu-wiki were deleted? (i'm currently looking for: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Karmic/ThunderbirdVsClaws ) <ochosi> ah, just saw that this page was moved <ochosi> forget it, sry :) <charlie-tca> no problem <charlie-tca> glad I was helpful :-) <pleia2> fwiw, we replaced firefox with chromium in a school lab over the winter break, so far it's been great <micahg> I'm not comfortable with it as a distro default since they committed to 6 weeks major updates <pleia2> yeah, I think this primarily has to be handled from the technical side <ochosi> micahg: but we won't have those updates in ubuntu anyway, no? <pleia2> user-side it would be great, but if it's unmaintainable/will break/etc <micahg> ochosi: no, we will have them <micahg> chromium started at version 5 when Lucid was released <ochosi> ah right, so those are updates within a versin? <ochosi> +o <micahg> now at version 8 <ochosi> yeah, but in fact there's v9 already <micahg> With Firefox, it's one major update per cycle hopefully <micahg> ochosi: v10 already <ochosi> k <micahg> 9 is in the dev channel, 10 in daily <ochosi> ah yeah, true <ochosi> i'm only using the dev-release <ochosi> daily got on my nerves <micahg> since I don't use it often, I am on the daily PPA <charlie-tca> I thought it was stable now? <ochosi> micahg: so that means that in your opinion there's no alternative to ff currently? <micahg> ochosi: I'm slightly biased, but yes <charlie-tca> Aw, gee, give midori a chance, too :-) <ochosi> in fact i'm pretty fond of midori <ochosi> just not sure whether it's ready to be the default <charlie-tca> micahg: can you reply on the ML with that stuff about chrome versions? <micahg> charlie-tca: sure <ochosi> yeah, that would be good <charlie-tca> ochosi: I would be thrilled to push for it if there was an easy way to migrate the bookmarks. <charlie-tca> Unfortunately, it is not simple or easy to do <ochosi> i agree, i tried once and failed... #xubuntu-devel 2011-01-07 <charlie-tca> Good morning #xubuntu-devel 2011-01-08 <charlie-tca> Good morning <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: both desktop and alternate images install today #xubuntu-devel 2011-01-09 <charlie-tca> Good morning #xubuntu-devel 2011-01-10 <charlie-tca> Good morning #xubuntu-devel 2011-01-11 <micahg> charlie-tca: are you back? <charlie-tca> sort of <charlie-tca> I guess I am in and out right now <micahg> charlie-tca: ok, I wanted to poke you about bugs targeted to 10.04.2 <charlie-tca> Okiedokey <charlie-tca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/577043 <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 577043 in openoffice.org (Ubuntu) "[upstream] [3.2.1] Cannot print document including OTF. Upgrade to upsteam version (fix included)" [Medium,Triaged] <charlie-tca> is milestoned for 10.04.2 by pitti <micahg> charlie-tca: I thought that openoffice wasn't on the xubuntu CD <charlie-tca> it isn't, but the user installed it <micahg> charlie-tca: we don't have to worry about it then, that's for the -desktop team <charlie-tca> I went through over 100 bugs against lucid, and found that one <micahg> charlie-tca: I'm more concerned about the apps on the CD that will be on the images that are spun <charlie-tca> The only question in my mind is whether or not goffice will get updated on the cd <micahg> charlie-tca: what do you mean updated? <charlie-tca> There was a new version after lucid came out <micahg> we don't update stable releases unless there's an exception <charlie-tca> But out of all the bugs filed, nothing appears critical to the update, they have all been fixed, so cutting the new image will have them <charlie-tca> We apply 257 upgrades after a person installs 10.04 now, for 246MB of archives <micahg> charlie-tca: ok, great, thanks <charlie-tca> thank you for checking <micahg> np <charlie-tca> micahg: what about updated docs? <micahg> charlie-tca: is that on the CD? <charlie-tca> yup, since they are available when using the live cd <micahg> charlie-tca: ok, we should get that in by 1/20 then <charlie-tca> I know Daniel been trying to get them done, I will check with him on status #xubuntu-devel 2011-01-13 <ochosi> mr_pouit: hm, the xfce-panel-systray still doesn't work great <ochosi> mr_pouit: and the bloody nm-applet is killed by update-manager after every update/upgrade :( <mr_pouit> mmh <mr_pouit> I think it's caused by an option <ochosi> what is caused by an option? <mr_pouit> if I check "show borders" for the systray, I still have some bugs (e.g. xfpm doesn't show) <mr_pouit> (i'm not sure of the exact option label) <ochosi> mhm <ochosi> we can try to set whatever works better by default <ochosi> but i kinda hope it gets fixed before natty <mr_pouit> if it's fixed upstream, yeah ;-) <ochosi> hm, maybe. i vaguely remember nick talking about some additional fixes in the systray in git <ochosi> (wrt gnome-power-manager iirc) <mr_pouit> "Restart tray allocation if number of rows overflows (bug #7055)." <ubottu> Launchpad bug 7055 in base-config (Ubuntu) "strange loss of sources.list" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/7055 <mr_pouit> "Restart tray allocation if number of rows overflows (bug #7055)." <mr_pouit> ubottu: stupid <ubottu> The only dumb or stupid question is the one not asked. Please do not tell people off for asking something, just because it seems simple or obvious to you -- we discourage this attitude in all our channels. <mr_pouit> ochosi: that's all <ochosi> hm <ochosi> maybe i should report it then <mr_pouit> ochosi: there are several commits improving systray debugging <mr_pouit> so if you report something, you should build the panel from git first <ochosi> awwh... <ochosi> not sure if i have time for that now <mr_pouit> and run it with PANEL_DEBUG=systray <mr_pouit> ;P <ochosi> you're not using the panel from git, are you? <mr_pouit> no :> <ochosi> :D <mr_pouit> I can put it in my ppa if you want <ochosi> yeah, that would be nice <ochosi> i guess that would lower the threshold of testing/debugging it immensly :) <mr_pouit> I'll try to do that this evening <ochosi> cool, feel free to ping me about it <mr_pouit> about nm-applet, I don't know, try to file a bug maybe <ochosi> yeah, i'll have a look <mr_pouit> (against network-manager-applet or update-manager) <ochosi> this bug has been around for all of alpha1 now <mr_pouit> then maybe it's already known ;-) <ochosi> btw what do you think of changing the default color-scheme of xfce4-terminal <ochosi> yeah, that's what i thought :) <ochosi> those two are very common components <ochosi> especially since the app-center doesn't do updates/upgrades yet <ochosi> ooops, "software-center", not "app-center" :) <mr_pouit> ochosi: how would xfce4-terminal look like? <ochosi> hm, e.g. white bg <ochosi> that would make the scrollbar-bg feel more integrated <ochosi> just not sure, we never tried changing the default colors of the term and people might be particular about term-colors <charlie-tca> Good morning <charlie-tca> Xubuntu Community Meeting today at 19:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting <micahg> charlie-tca: I won't be making the meeting today <charlie-tca> Okay, thanks. Any updates? <micahg> charlie-tca: just we need to get anything for 10.04.2 into -proposed by next thursday, so docs need a push <charlie-tca> Okay, we will push it then. Thanks <micahg> charlie-tca: I can upload when it's ready, just ping me <micahg> charlie-tca: BTW, in general SRUs need to be fixed in dev release first, but I'm wondering what to do in this case since I'm assuming the docs are being updated just for Lucid, right> <charlie-tca> as far as I know, we want the updated docs in lucid, yes. <micahg> charlie-tca: what I mean is that they'll be Lucid specific <charlie-tca> Maverick is being updated, but won't be pushed, I think. <charlie-tca> natty will have updated docs, but they don't come in until rc, normally <micahg> charlie-tca: no point to updating maverick if we won't push since natty has 4.8pre <charlie-tca> seems like it is part of the process. They have to be updated in sequence, as I understand it <micahg> charlie-tca: but we could push since it's just docs <charlie-tca> And, we might. It seems like a lot of work to get them done, it would be a shame to think it is a waste of time <charlie-tca> but to get updated docs in 10.04.2, we can't wait for natty <micahg> charlie-tca: I can version the uploads so they won't break upgrades, that's not an issue, but if they're version specific, we can do them out of order <charlie-tca> I will get with Daniel and find out where we are now. <micahg> charlie-tca: ok, I'll look for the meeting notes later <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 30 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, cody-somerville, ochosi, pleia2 : meeting? <pleia2> charlie-tca: swamped at work, still waiting on a reply from cody-somerville <charlie-tca> thank you, pleia2 <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: you are holding up the website now! <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: forgot to ask, is it possible to have the new theme, panels, icons, and font in alpha2 ? <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: yeah sure, I'll upload that next week, to give some time to ochosi to fix a few issues <charlie-tca> thanks! <cody-somerville> pleia2, whats your e-mail address? * charlie-tca thanks cody-somerville <pleia2> cody-somerville: rodriguezcrystal@example.org <pleia2> the email was the one I sent on 12/16 "Xubuntu.org changes" <cody-somerville> pleia2, I created you an account on the website. <cody-somerville> pleia2, You should get an e-mail with details. <pleia2> thank you :) <ochosi> charlie-tca: sorry, thought i could be here for the team meeting but in the end didn't make it <charlie-tca> no problem <ochosi> have to read up on the meeting <ochosi> did anything noteworthy happen with regards to artwork? <charlie-tca> no, but I talked to thorwil in #ubuntu-artwork. He never got your email <ochosi> rly? <ochosi> weird <ochosi> maybe his isp blocked my address <charlie-tca> yeah, he is willing to discuss things, though. If we ever get you two together <ochosi> :) <ochosi> sure, we will <ochosi> hm, shouldn't the logs be here? http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/01/13/%23ubuntu-co-meeting.html <pleia2> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/01/13/%23ubuntu-meeting.html <pleia2> no -co <ochosi> thanks pleia2 :) <pleia2> the footer on xubuntu.org has been updated to 2011! * pleia2 makes progress :) <charlie-tca> Yay! <charlie-tca> gaining, a little bit at a time :-) <pleia2> am at work so I'll have to dig in more this evening <charlie-tca> Thanks for doing that <ochosi> great stuff pleia2 <ochosi> pleia2: does this mean we can also have up-to-date screenshots for natty? :D <charlie-tca> Hm, should we have them before the release? <ochosi> i don't see why not <ochosi> we could have them after alpha2 <ochosi> cause then the new theme and all that should be set by default <charlie-tca> true, but we do have to remember the release is never final until we get there <pleia2> ochosi: yes :) <pleia2> what are the current ones? I can make some maverick ones if we think it's worth the time <ochosi> charlie-tca: sure, but i think screenshots could motivate people to do actual testing <charlie-tca> really? Then it would be good <ochosi> pleia2: hm, well yeah, the theme changed so maverick did look different <charlie-tca> Aren't the shots on there lucid now? <charlie-tca> dark background <pleia2> and need to fix the broken link on /help <ochosi> yeah, the screenshots are lucid, or at least that's what lucid looked like <ochosi> pleia2: still some time until natty gets released, maybe it's worth to update the shots <ochosi> pleia2: also (if you feel motivated): a "history" of xubuntu's look would be nice <pleia2> hmm, we could do that <ochosi> brb * charlie-tca doesn't really know much about the website, but xubuntu never had the artwork close to ready so early in the cycle <ochosi> charlie-tca: i take that as a compliment ;) <ochosi> btw, are any of you using/testing natty currently? <ochosi> cause i can't reproduce the workspace-switcher bug beardygnome reported on the ml <charlie-tca> yes, I have natty installed <charlie-tca> that was in maverick, right/ <ochosi> hm, he tested it in maverick? <charlie-tca> wait, was that the one about workspaces looking the same color as the panel? <ochosi> yes <charlie-tca> That's because if there are no launchers, the workspaces are the same color. There are lighter colored dividers between them, here <ochosi> if you look at this screenshot, the bg-color of the workspaces is slightly different from the panel: http://imagebin.org/132526 <charlie-tca> oops <charlie-tca> I was wrong. If the workspaces in natty are a separate panel, it matches the top panel. If added to it, they are a lot darker than the panel <ochosi> it's maybe not extremely obvious, but in beardygnome's screenshot it looked different <charlie-tca> Could it be his monitor? <ochosi> charlie-tca: ok, thanks for testing! i'll reply back with the screenshot then <ochosi> hmm, good question. i guess he maybe didn't install the latest revision <charlie-tca> that image shows it darker, with the divider. What about a line on each end? <ochosi> it's annoying that the dictionary-plugin and the verve-plugin bugs are not fixed yet :( (and i'm not sure whether they're fixable from my side) <charlie-tca> I don't understand... If I can see a separate space, that usually works for me <charlie-tca> I thought verve was working now <ochosi> yeah, i think beardygnome would be fine with what we can see on the screenshot <ochosi> hm, well, verve has a weird bug <ochosi> it doesn't work when it has the focus <ochosi> *the first time* <ochosi> after having lost the focus for the first time it works <charlie-tca> heh, not much use if it doesn't have focus, is it lol <ochosi> so i don't think i can fix it by theming it <ochosi> yeah :( <ochosi> but if i try to set the text-color to black it will look weird when you mark/highlight the text <ochosi> cause then it should be nearly white <charlie-tca> yeah <ochosi> but dict is even a bit more annoying, it doesn't even work the second time <charlie-tca> I know :-( <ochosi> i'll try to dip my toes into the source again <ochosi> but i can't promise anything <ochosi> might need some upstream-fix <charlie-tca> that's the one I use, too. Oh well, goes with the weather plugin, I guess <ochosi> not sure we'll get that in time for natty <charlie-tca> hm, we will just have to watch for the bug reports <ochosi> weather-plugin also doesn't work? <charlie-tca> no, it and the timer just remove themselves as soon as they are added <charlie-tca> that's upstream <ochosi> awwhh. i really loved and used that one <ochosi> xfce4-terminal still has that lousy vte-regression mr_pouit :/ <ochosi> brb #xubuntu-devel 2011-01-14 <charlie-tca> Good morning <ochosi> hi #xubuntu-devel 2011-01-15 <charlie-tca> Good morning <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: xarchiver is no longer part of Xfce. I don't know how to change the upstream from Xfce to Sourceforge. <charlie-tca> Do you know how to unlink from xfce and link to SourceForge? <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I got it changed. Thanks anyway #xubuntu-devel 2011-01-16 <charlie-tca> Good morning <charlie-tca> Xfce 4.8 officially released! <pleia2> woohoo! #xubuntu-devel 2011-01-17 <charlie-tca> pleia2: on the project lead, do we hold an open vote in a meeting, vote by email, vote by survey or condorcet, or what now? <charlie-tca> Do I just send an email out to Xubuntu devel ML and ask for votes as a response? <pleia2> charlie-tca: whatever is acceptable to the team, since it's just you it's just a vote of confidence vote <pleia2> so you could set up a "yes" "no" for yourself on launchpad, or just email the list and if anyone has strong objections to send them to the CC (or me) <charlie-tca> Well then. I will send it out in an email to have a vote at the meeting on the 27th. Team seems to be willing to go with anything on it <pleia2> sounds good :) <pleia2> if you need an impartial vote-taker for those who can't attend you can use me if you want <charlie-tca> Let <charlie-tca> Â´s do something, anyway. <charlie-tca> I don't know even know who is elgible to vote now. Maybe just tell them if they are interested, they should vote? <pleia2> works for me <charlie-tca> or at least comment one way or the other, with negatives coming to you * pleia2 nods <pleia2> I don't anticipate issues really, it's a small project and you've done a great job of herding cats :) <charlie-tca> I think the same way, but I would prefer to have someone complain now than later :-) * pleia2 nods #xubuntu-devel 2011-01-18 <charlie-tca> hm, power failure in the middle of message writing doesn't work out well <charlie-tca> ochosi: what happened to greybird? My natty install changed completely after updating <charlie-tca> lighter gray panels, almost no change from launcher to selected launcher, sliders are dark gray instead of white <charlie-tca> Good morning <charlie-tca> and it might be natty and xfce4.8 doing it, too <charlie-tca> I picked tango icon set, but it is not switching from elementary <charlie-tca> Looks like the icons and themes are locked somehow. <davmor2> charlie-tca: you need the magic key, to get it you need to kill 3 trolls and a dragon <charlie-tca> davmor2: thanks. I will go hunting for the dragon, then <ochosi> charlie-tca: no clue tbh <ochosi> charlie-tca: screenshots? <charlie-tca> Pretty sure it isn't rodriguezcrystal@example.org. It is something with xfce 4.8 <ochosi> oh ok <charlie-tca> my connection seems a lot shakey today ;-( <charlie-tca> ochosi, mr_pouit : apparently, todays fresh installation of Natty is using Bluebird themes to start the desktop, then switches to a modified greybird theme that can not be changed easily. I can change the Window Manager theme, but not the gtk theme in Appearance. The icons and theme are locked. <charlie-tca> ochosi, mr_pouit : this theme lock is in both the fresh install and my Natty installation. the only thing that can be changed in Appearance is the font used. <charlie-tca> ochosi, mr_pouit : screenshot at http://imagebin.org/133250 <charlie-tca> oh, yeah, and this is with my Appearance theme set to Clearlooks and icons set to Tango <charlie-tca> I think I tried all the themes trying to find one that will change anything. <charlie-tca> I was set up with greybird yesterday, when I started the system today, this is what I got <ochosi> charlie-tca: looks like a clean theme-break. supposedly something with the engines is not working <charlie-tca> Thanks #xubuntu-devel 2011-01-20 <charlie-tca> Good morning * micahg waves to charlie-tca__ <charlie-tca__> Hello, micahg <charlie-tca__> Xubuntu community meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 32 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. <micahg> charlie-tca__: any progress on teh docs? <charlie-tca__> sure <charlie-tca__> micahg: I don't really know <charlie-tca__> I can't find the guy <charlie-tca__> guess I will have to send out an email to find out <charlie-tca__> Hello, vinnl <charlie-tca__> Xubuntu community meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 32 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. <vinnl> Hi <charlie-tca__> Xubuntu community meeting in #ubuntu-meeting now. Everyone is invited to attend. <vinnl> Btw, guess who's got a ZaReason Terra HD nowadays :) <charlie-tca> Really? <vinnl> Yeah, it rocks :) <charlie-tca> I need one of those <vinnl> (Quite expensive, but very cool) <vinnl> Yeah you do :P <vinnl> Even Unity in 10.10 works smoothly <charlie-tca> Now I gotta go find the bugs I lost track of in the power outage here <vinnl> :S <charlie-tca> Starting to think this "good ole dependable USA" isn't <vinnl> Perhaps it's just something wrong in-house? <charlie-tca> That's a <charlie-tca> BIG plus, getting unity in 10.10 to work <charlie-tca> I would think it is city-wide, blinking out once a day, at different times <vinnl> Yeah, only the dash can be slow sometimes, but I hardly use that <vinnl> Do your neighbours have the same problems? <charlie-tca> I have to ask them <vinnl> Hehe, debugging power outages :P <charlie-tca> It just seems rodriguezcrystal@example.org. the power has to blink everyday, sometime within a 24-hour day <charlie-tca> It is better when it does it while sleeping <vinnl> :S <vinnl> Yeah except that your alarm clock won't go off anymore :P <charlie-tca> heh, yeah <charlie-tca> minor compared to the computer resets, though <charlie-tca> power outage affected the local school. It is not just this house, at least <rafiii> good evening everyone <rafiii> I saw the discussion on the mailing list about the default launcher in Natty, and someone (charlie kravetz) said that dragging from the App Finder to the desktop didn't create launchers. <rafiii> I have installed Xfce 4.8 with the installer provided on the Xfce mailing list and it works, I can drag an app from to the menu or the app finder to the panel or the desktop, even from the desktop to the panel. <vinnl> That's charlie-tca :) <rafiii> thank you :) I'll ask him directly why my installation of Xfce has a different behaviour then :) <rafiii> Another question : Do you need help to test Xubuntu on older hardware ? <charlie-tca> rafiii: That's great that drop and drag is working <charlie-tca> but if you are going to test xubuntu, you will need to install natty, instead of compiling xfce <charlie-tca> and , yes, we can always use testing on any hardware <charlie-tca> rafiii: getting the test page reference. <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing <charlie-tca> rafiii: you can add yourself to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/Testers, so we know the actual hardware being used, if you don't mind. * charlie-tca thinks it would be great to have more than just him testing natty <rafiii> No problem at all, I have been using Xubuntu for 3 years now and it will be my pleasure to help you <rafiii> the oldest hardware I have is an AMD duron 1.3Ghz with 2x256 MB of ram and a pwoerVR Kyro 2 (I this this card doesn't have drivers) <rafiii> then I have a 4 years old laptop with a core duo (from 900MHz to 1.8 GHz) with 2x1GB of ram and a radeon X1600. I also have an athlon 64 3400+ (2.4GHZ, single core) with 2x1GB of ram. <rafiii> And I have 2 computers. One with a Phenom 2 X4 (quad core, 3.4Ghz) and a laptop with a core i7, but I think that it is not necessary to test Xubuntu on these 2 computers <rafiii> so even if it is not a lot it could help to test Xubuntu on very different hardware <charlie-tca> any testing is a big help <rafiii> oki :) <rafiii> I just made a request to enter in the Xubuntu Testers team in launchpad <rafiii> have to go now, good night :) <charlie-tca> where does beardygnome hang out? I missed his question about updating natty today #xubuntu-devel 2011-01-21 <charlie-tca> micahg: Lucid 10.04 docs are ready - bug 705734 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 705734 in xubuntu-docs (Ubuntu Lucid) "Xubuntu-docs for lucid are out-dated" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/705734 <micahg> charlie-tca: already grabbed them, it's a day late though, but I got a release ACK <charlie-tca> thank you <micahg> problem is codehosting is down at the moment <charlie-tca> yeah, I see bzr is down for at least an hour now <micahg> charlie-tca: why did you mark the devel task triaged on the docs bug? I thought since it was targeted for lucid, that should be invalid <charlie-tca> lost my head <charlie-tca> So, I should mark it invalid? <charlie-tca> micahg: it looks like I missed your updates on the bug <charlie-tca> fixed it now, though <micahg> ok, thanks <charlie-tca> sorry, I should have refreshed it first, I guess,. <micahg> charlie-tca: no worries <Book_em_Dano> charlie-tca, how did you push xubuntu-docs for 10.04.2? <charlie-tca> micahg is doing it <micahg> Book_em_Dano: so, I'll be proposing a merge to your branch with the timestamp, pocket, and version changed, but otherwise I think it's ok, I have to do a test build still, but codehosting is down <charlie-tca> We were just waiting to make sure they were ready <micahg> Book_em_Dano: are there any updates for maverick and natty? <Book_em_Dano> yes, there are some other commits for both that I can submit today <micahg> Book_em_Dano: no rush, but how many updates do you intend for Maverick? <Book_em_Dano> I don't have an exact number but I have updated the changelog at lp:xubuntu-docs/maverick <Book_em_Dano> I was hoping to do all of the corrections and upload them all at once if possile <micahg> Book_em_Dano: yep, go ahead and wait for that <micahg> Book_em_Dano: I meant uploads, not individual changes :) <Book_em_Dano> micahg: I don't think I have permission to upload to ubuntu-branches, I would need someone to sponsor the upload; I imagine just one upload once I've finished the commits <micahg> Book_em_Dano: I'm happy to sponsor :) <charlie-tca> Book_em_Dano: Thank you very much for the hard work on the documentation. It will be great to have them updated! <Book_em_Dano> micahg: is the procedure to target a package for a milestone different than requesting a SRU for a package? <micahg> nope, usually you don't need a milestone unless it needs to get in, so for this, it's needed for 10.04.2 <charlie-tca> Book_em_Dano: maverick has no milestones left, so it is just an update to it <micahg> charlie-tca: technically not true, there should be an -updates milestone <charlie-tca> Maybe my terminology is wrong then. There won't be another image published for it <micahg> right :) <Book_em_Dano> can anyone explain the difference between lp:xubuntu-docs/lucid and lp:ubuntu/lucid/xubuntu-docs? <micahg> Book_em_Dano: the lp:ubuntu branch was the release branch, lp:xubuntu-docs is an "upstream" devel branch <Book_em_Dano> can anyone explain how the version numbers for xubuntu-docs will be addressed? The version for the lucid version currently is 9.10.1, and with an update I assume the version would change to 9.10.2, but the version number is already utilized by the maverick version. <charlie-tca> Each release should have it's own version of docs <micahg> Book_em_Dano: no, I'm going to change it to 156.14.161.142.04.1 <charlie-tca> maverick should be changed to 10.10.1 <charlie-tca> natty should become 11.04.1 <micahg> charlie-tca: err, I'd make maverick 9.10.2+really10.10 <micahg> after natty is updated of course to 11.04 <micahg> maybe I should make lucid 9.10.1+really10.04.1 <charlie-tca> the numbers correspond to the release itself. 9.10 is there because we never got the docs updated after karmic <micahg> right, but we don't want to break upgrades <micahg> so if natty and maverick were already updated, I could bump lucid <charlie-tca> right * charlie-tca goes to hide again. micahg and Book_em_Dano can decide how to do it, as long as the final versions are right. <Book_em_Dano> is it critical to change the version numbers in the changelogs? <micahg> Book_em_Dano: no, but it just confuses people when they see a version 9.10 for karmic and up <micahg> Book_em_Dano: did you get the 9.10.2 fixes in for lucid as well? <Book_em_Dano> I put the fixes for 9.10.2 (maverick version) in lp:xubuntu-docs/maverick, is that what you're asking? <micahg> no, are the appropriate ones in xubuntu-docs/lucid as well? <Book_em_Dano> All of the fixes pertinent to Xubuntu 10.04 are in lp:xubuntu-docs/lucid <micahg> Book_em_Dano: great, thanks <Book_em_Dano> but in terms of packaging, do the version numbers come from the changelogs or elsewhere? <micahg> Book_em_Dano: changelogs <micahg> Book_em_Dano: uploaded and merge proposed with changelog fixes #xubuntu-devel 2011-01-22 <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: We now have the ubuntu slide show in the installation, instead of Xubuntu slide show <charlie-tca> oops <charlie-tca> maybe not, mr_pouit <charlie-tca> seems that slideshow is for the release notes <charlie-tca> our desktop images both fail to install today #xubuntu-devel 2011-01-24 <micahg> xubuntu-docs in lucid-proposed ready for testing :) <charlie-tca> Good morning <ochosi> hi charlie-tca <charlie-tca> Still got the themes issue in Natty. It will not stay in the selected theme. <mr_pouit> if it shows the ugly dark grey thingy with rectangles everywhere, it's not a theme, it's gtk's default uglyness <ochosi> :) <mr_pouit> (meaning, xfsettingsd might have crashed, or you're missing a gtk theme engine) <charlie-tca> Even the live cd? <charlie-tca> this is the light grey theme, both gtk and xfwm <charlie-tca> It also affects the mouse cursor <mr_pouit> could you make a screenshot? <charlie-tca> it is xfsettingsd <mr_pouit> if nothing is themed, xfsettingsd has probably crashed yeah <charlie-tca> I just ran it in terminal, and the greybird theme came up. Mouse cursor changed, too <charlie-tca> that means it is crashing as soon as the desktop starts <charlie-tca> on installs and the live desktop <micahg> charlie-tca: xubuntu-docs in lucid-proposed ready for testing :) <charlie-tca> will get that today, micahg <charlie-tca> thanks <mr_pouit> I tried the daily live in vbox, and the theme is there <mr_pouit> no crash <charlie-tca> hm, I will try today's image then. Yesterday it failed <charlie-tca> It's been failing for several days, screenshot from a few days ago <charlie-tca> mr_pouit : screenshot at http://imagebin.org/133250 <mr_pouit> :q <charlie-tca> I will run the images later today. I have to try the lucid docs, too <charlie-tca> ochosi: I think we have to keep thunderbird for email. Claws-mail just is not as easy to use <charlie-tca> and for those who really need to save that little bit of memory, send them to Lubuntu <ochosi> charlie-tca: you're referring to the latest comment on the ml? <charlie-tca> yes. I think we are going to stay with thunderbird <ochosi> right, i don't mind so much <charlie-tca> gmusic?? and browser is up in the air. I don't really care either way <ochosi> mmh <charlie-tca> But I am pretty determined on thunderbird. Claws-mail just is not as easy for users <ochosi> well, the main advantage of gmusicbrowser is the responsive/friendly upstream and that i'm working on it i guess <charlie-tca> Is it in the repositories already? <ochosi> browser, well, i would trust others with the choice, integration is definitely not a problem <ochosi> charlie-tca: check out the shimmer ppa for the latest version <charlie-tca> okay <ochosi> it's natty-ready ;) <charlie-tca> browser we are letting the discussion run until we see which way it leans <ochosi> ppa:shimmerproject/ppa <charlie-tca> I just didn't want you to get too much hope up for claws-mail * charlie-tca uses claws-mail, too <ochosi> i don't mind so much, i personally use/love it, but i can see why people wouldn't <charlie-tca> I don't really like thunderbird enough to use it <ochosi> :) <charlie-tca> but in configuring it, it wins <ochosi> probably, i've never tried version3 <charlie-tca> heh, I wish I could say that <ochosi> btw, one more thing i like about gmusicbrowser: it can use gstreamer as backend, meaning it'll share the same backend with parole meaning less extra dependencies <charlie-tca> setting it up with 10 email addresses and a ton of mailing lists took a couple of days <ochosi> hehe <ochosi> okeydokey, gotta run now <ochosi> looking forward to some gmusicbrowser feedback <ochosi> c u <charlie-tca> thanks <charlie-tca> micahg: found an issue when verifying bug 650806 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 650806 in xubuntu-docs (Ubuntu Maverick) "Incorrect file stated to disable IPv6" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/650806 <charlie-tca> all references to www.xubuntu.org fail on the page <micahg> charlie-tca: why did you mark verification-done then? <charlie-tca> they are entered as "file:///usr/share/xubuntu-docs/www.xubuntu.org" which will not work. It needs to be "http:www.xubuntu.org" <charlie-tca> cause the original bug is fixed <charlie-tca> Do I add that to the bug or open a new one? <micahg> charlie-tca: oh, this is a new bug?, please file a new bug, tag regression -proposed and have bookemdano get me a fixed branch as soon as possible <micahg> oops, no space in the tag <charlie-tca> Okay, I can do that <micahg> charlie-tca: is this a regression, or a new bug introduced? <charlie-tca> AFAIK, new bug introduced <micahg> charlie-tca: ok, let me ask pitti then <charlie-tca> but I can not say for sure <micahg> hmm... * charlie-tca doesn't read the docs each release, and doesn't really know if it was there before or not <micahg> charlie-tca: you could downgrade to the release version and see if it's there :) <charlie-tca> Let me go look <charlie-tca> I have 4 bugs I am verifying, will look in another install <charlie-tca> micahg: new bug. The section has been almost completely re-written <micahg> ok, I think that's a pretty big bug though, right? <charlie-tca> well, Since that is what is being used to test a network connection that failed, ... <charlie-tca> wait a minut <charlie-tca> minor issue. It is a misprint to have it as a link <charlie-tca> It is simply supposed to be a reference to use for ping tests. as in "www.xubuntu.org" instead of a link <micahg> ah, ok <charlie-tca> used as "to ping www.xubuntu.org" <charlie-tca> doesn't really count for anything <micahg> charlie-tca: so we shouldn't fix? <charlie-tca> well, if we have time, sure, let's fix it. But it is really an annoyance <charlie-tca> I don't want to not get these docs in for that, though. They are really nice <micahg> charlie-tca: ok, file the bug and I"ll get pitti to look at it <charlie-tca> Okay. <micahg> charlie-tca: thanks <charlie-tca> thank you <charlie-tca> It helps to have someone working with us <micahg> charlie-tca: glad to help :) <charlie-tca> docs verified for lucid <micahg> cool <charlie-tca> micahg: I guess I should let you know, we are keeping Thunderbird. <charlie-tca> micahg: I gave up answering all those who insist we have to get rid of xulrunner <micahg> charlie-tca: thanks, I thought I was clear on the xulrunner issue :) <cody-somerville> hey folks <charlie-tca> you were, I think. <cody-somerville> how are things? <charlie-tca> Hello, cody-somerville <micahg> hi cody-somerville <charlie-tca> been keeping busy <charlie-tca> We are going to have updated 10.04 docs in .2 <cody-somerville> its been a crazy month so far for me. I see a lot of stuff go through my mailbox but haven't had a chance to read yet. <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, sweet :) <charlie-tca> Oh, I don't know if they will be translated, though <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: seems like you are still spread a bit thin... You could really use a double <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, lol. so I'm told. <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: we announced the greybird theme for Natty this week <cody-somerville> is that an entirely new theme or just a big improvement on top of the new one introduced last release? <charlie-tca> grey instead of black/blue of the last release <charlie-tca> same icon set <charlie-tca> and panel arrangement changed <charlie-tca> xfce 4.8 gives us more ability to play with panels <charlie-tca> The theme itself is a change in the bluebird of 10.10 <cody-somerville> Cool, ok. #xubuntu-devel 2011-01-25 <charlie-tca> Good morning <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: are we throwing greybird in as the default theme in alpha2? <mr_pouit> yes, as soon as i've uploaded it <charlie-tca> Thanks <mr_pouit> so probably in a few hours <charlie-tca> wOw * charlie-tca didn't mean to say hurry up <holstein> hello folks <holstein> i have a slightly OT question <charlie-tca> Hello, holstein <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: it's waiting since last friday, so I should hurry up or ochosi will kill me :p <charlie-tca> Oh! Then maybe I did mean hurry <holstein> i wanted to know about the process of adapting xubuntu from ubuntu <charlie-tca> :-) <holstein> i want ubuntustudio to go to a live-CD <holstein> right now its the alternate <charlie-tca> mr_pouit or cody-somerville ^ ^ <holstein> and i was wondering if there were particulars that you guys could share that would help me get the ball rolling <ochosi> mr_pouit: hehe, maybe not kill you, but release another, newer version of greybird more likely ;) <cody-somerville> holstein, Just ask cjwatson to set it up for you. <holstein> cody-somerville: cool <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: and for your theme issue, try to uninstall gnome-settings-daemon <charlie-tca> ah-ha <mr_pouit> you will lose your gdm theming, but your xfce theme will be back ;p <charlie-tca> I knew that didn't belong <ochosi> btw, how do we theme gdm now? <ochosi> i wasn't really involved with that in maverick <mr_pouit> with a gconf file dropped in gdm's home dir to override the default ubuntu one <ochosi> brrr <ochosi> who did the gconf file last time? <mr_pouit> \o <ochosi> :) <ochosi> would be nice if gdm's panel would match the greybird xfce-panel colorwise <ochosi> if you need help on that let me know <mr_pouit> good luck for that <ochosi> rly? is it that bad/hard? <mr_pouit> be prepared to dive in gdm's source code <mr_pouit> I remember the issues we had with albatross <ochosi> /o\ <ochosi> but back then it was a substantially different gdm, no? <ochosi> i think it was still an older version <mr_pouit> nope, the same <ochosi> rly? <mr_pouit> yeah <ochosi> i thought we had something like gdm-legacy <mr_pouit> probably the first release including it <mr_pouit> there was a legacy gdm uploaded, but it was never used by anyone <ochosi> right <charlie-tca> ochosi: that's why I pushed for lightdm <ochosi> charlie-tca: yeah, i'm all for it, but mr_pouit said it's not stable enough yet <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: is someone working on its integration in xubuntu currently? <charlie-tca> Not to my knowledge <charlie-tca> It is in the repositories, though <mr_pouit> ochosi: not me (I think it was the reasons not to include it by default in ubuntu) <charlie-tca> I don't know enough to get it done <charlie-tca> ochosi, mr_pouit : I would go with mr_pouit 's word. He knows more than me <ochosi> but if it wasn't mr_pouit's own words i'd say we should test it <ochosi> (it could be a can of worms though :) ) <charlie-tca> agreed <charlie-tca> I got it to work in VirtualBox, on a fresh install. I could not get it to work on my installation of Natty, though <ochosi> charlie-tca: you could ask whether anyone in the community has tested it in the next meeting <ochosi> ah right <mr_pouit> or on the ml first maybe <charlie-tca> thought we did, but I forget... <charlie-tca> or maybe, I just really want it <ochosi> i second the idea of putting it on the ml first <charlie-tca> see above ;-) <charlie-tca> okay, okay. Maybe I screwed it up. I will send it to the ML, then * charlie-tca thinks ochosi gets better responses on the ML than him <ochosi> charlie-tca: does that mean you want me to write/send it? <charlie-tca> I don't care. I will send it. You are busy enough, aren't you? <ochosi> hm, kinda, i at least wouldn't be able to send it today <ochosi> tomorrow wuold be possible/okay <charlie-tca> I will take care of it. Got to send the meeting reminder out too. <ochosi> okeydokey <charlie-tca__> then who am I? <charlie-tca__> oh, ghosted <mr_pouit> incoming upload of xubuntu-default-settings ;> <charlie-tca> great! <charlie-tca> I might have to reinstall yet, though. Now I have to start both xfsettingsd and xfwm when I login #xubuntu-devel 2011-01-26 <charlie-tca> Good morning <charlie-tca> micahg: firefox 4.0b10 hates me. It won't let me report a bug using the "Help -> report a bug" <micahg> charlie-tca: hmm, what happens? <charlie-tca> nothing <charlie-tca> no error, no new tab, no nothing <micahg> does ubuntu-bug firefox still work? Firefox is blacklisted from apport crashes, but you should still be able to report a bug <charlie-tca> I didn't try it. I was trying to report something broke in firefox itself. Now I can't even remember what it was <charlie-tca> QA Meeting in 2 minutes on #ubuntu-quality ! <ochosi> charlie-tca: does that concern artwork as well? <charlie-tca> no <charlie-tca> just bugs and testing, usually <ochosi> mkay <Ryoichi> hello <Ryoichi> is there anyway to get the Xubuntu or Ubuntu source codes for learning how to build a operating system? <TheSheep> Ryoichi: all the sources are on launchpad, adaik <TheSheep> afaik <TheSheep> Ryoichi: but I doubt they will be very useful for you, considering the amount <Ryoichi> ok thanks <TheSheep> Ryoichi: the kernel alone is overl 13 million lines <TheSheep> whole ubuntu is probably something about 400 million lines of code #xubuntu-devel 2011-01-27 <charlie-tca> Good morning <charlie-tca> Xubuntu Meeting today at 19:00 UTC <ochosi> charlie-tca: sry, won't be able to make it... <ochosi> charlie-tca: please let me know if anything artwork related pops up <charlie-tca> Okay. We have greybird in natty now, too. <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 17 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. <charlie-tca> cody-somerville, mr_pouit: meeting <mr_pouit> (micahg: probably March 24th rather (ui freeze), as we will probably use an already existing app, so no need for the release team to look) <charlie-tca> push anyway? <mr_pouit> yeah, the earlier the better <micahg> mr_pouit: well, default app isn't a feature? <mr_pouit> I'd say no, but =] <micahg> mr_pouit: you're probably right, I seem to think everything is a feature :-/ <pleia2> sorry, no website update (and busy day at work, keep getting dragged off) <charlie-tca> no problem. Thanks for helping. <charlie-tca> I know I put you on the spot there. <pleia2> whoever sends out the leadership announcement, can you Cc: rodriguezcrystal@example.org ? <charlie-tca> sure <pleia2> thanks :) <charlie-tca> I am guessing that will be me, too? <pleia2> probably <pleia2> but it doesn't matter really <charlie-tca> Do want a copy of the email from steve and myself, or does it matter? <charlie-tca> I will do a news story for UNW on it <pleia2> maybe just note that it exists, if anyone questions the vote you can produce it <charlie-tca> Can do <charlie-tca> I didn't cc the mailing list because he stated it was supposed to private to me <pleia2> hmm <charlie-tca> well, I messed that up. I quoted the message itself, which works, I think <pleia2> posted it to fridge, snipped the details though and replaced it with a link: http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/01/27/xubuntu-project-lead-approved/ <charlie-tca> works. thank you #xubuntu-devel 2011-01-28 <charlie-tca> Good morning <davmor2> morning charlie-tca <charlie-tca> alpha2 testing next week, right? <ochosi> hey charlie-tca <charlie-tca> Hello, ochosi <ochosi> i wanted to ask you for help on finding a specific bug in our default apps <ochosi> it's the widespread plague called "resize-grip in every window" <ochosi> see the xfce4-settings dialog for reference <ochosi> the resize-grip in the right lower corner covers the close-button partly <ochosi> i've already reported two of those (one for xfce4-settings, on for xfdesktop) but this bug can be practically everywhere <charlie-tca> I have seen it, like a triangle or square? <ochosi> yep <charlie-tca> It is not just xubuntu, gnome panel had it on yesterday's daily live cd <ochosi> it's *everywhere* <ochosi> but we need to report bugs about it... <charlie-tca> it's gotta be gtk, isn't it? <ochosi> yes, it's a backport from gtk3 <ochosi> a new function for the resize handle that almost no apps support right now <charlie-tca> Oh, you want bugs! I guess I can do that. What do you report them against? <ochosi> assign the bugs you report to this guy: https://launchpad.net/~bratsche <charlie-tca> Okay, I can do that. Just report it as "resize-grip" visible? <ochosi> yeah, you can use the same text i used here, since it's always the same bug <ochosi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings/+bug/709282 <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 709282 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "resize handle in xfce4-settings" [Undecided,New] <ochosi> on second thought, maybe don't assign the bugs all to ~bratsche already, mr_pouit already asked for directions in the first bug i reported <ochosi> s/already/yet <charlie-tca> yup, I see that. there are 6 other bugs in launchpad for "resize-grip" already <ochosi> there will be plenty more i'm afraid <ochosi> i really don't get why they did this <charlie-tca> I don't know. bug 704414 is even a papercut <ubottu> Launchpad bug 704414 in synaptic (Ubuntu) "In status bar, Resize grip overlaps synaptic's progress bar" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/704414 <ochosi> yeah <charlie-tca> we need to keep the term "resize grip", though, so all the bugs will show up in one search <charlie-tca> What makes it show up? I don't see it in settings <charlie-tca> nm <charlie-tca> depends somewhat on the theme as to the visibility of it for me <charlie-tca> ochosi: the grip is well defined in industrial theme, even on the apps I haven't seen it in <ochosi> charlie-tca: yes, i know, i tried to use a different engine or pixmap for the grip to make it more visible, but
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