#ubuntu-accessibility 2011-03-01 <jledbetter> Pendulum, ping <Pendulum> jledbetter: what's up? <jledbetter> Pendulum, May I PM? <Pendulum> yep <erkan^> UndiFineD, AlanBell etc. : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/727290 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 727290 in compiz "Zoom doesn't follow to text" [Undecided,New] <erkan^> I go visite. laterss ubot2 thank you <maco> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/IMMD/~3/Hfv6C5yTD40/ <-- accessibility win! <charlie-tca> wOw! <hajour_> great maco <hajour_> o uh hai all <hajour_> hi i mean <hajour_> i was reading back the channels <hajour_> and thank you for your nice mail jledbetter <charlie-tca> and then there is: http://www.itproportal.com/2011/03/01/worlds-first-eye-controlled-laptop-presented-cebit-2011/ <hajour_> what is standing in the page charlie-tca ? <hajour_> very small fonts <charlie-tca> Oh, mine are set minimum 16pt <charlie-tca> It is an article about the first eye-controlled laptop being developed <hajour_> eye controlled? <charlie-tca> eye controlled, it relies on the human eyes to point, select and scroll and complements existing system technology <hajour> UndiFineD, have explained it to me <hajour> very nice <charlie-tca> Kind of exciting to see it, even if it is just starting <hajour> yes its very good for people who are not able to use there hands <jledbetter> hajour_ You're welcome :) <hajour> jledbetter, i thought i was on the mailing list from ubuntu women <hajour> but i think i am not <hajour> because i don't get mail from ubuntu women <jledbetter> hajour, I highly recommend being on there. It's a low activity list but did mention the "get help with sponsorship" stuff :) <hajour> i go look to it later .that i will sign in on the mailing list #ubuntu-accessibility 2011-03-02 * hajour is going on sleeping mode <hajour> Pendulum, are you around? <Cheri703> she is likely sleeping hajour <hajour> o :( <Pendulum> hajour: I just got up, but 1) I'm not very awake and 2) I may be going back to sleep soon. feel free to PM me with stuff and I'll look through it when I'm more awake <hajour> i have told everything in ubuntu women Pendulum <Pendulum> hajour: okay, I'll look at it when I'm awake <hajour> without saying names <hajour> ok Pendulum :) <Pendulum> *nods* <hajour> i really would appreciate advice <UndiFineD> AlanBell: leoquant is wondering why meetingology left #Ubuntu-nl-mwanzo <AlanBell> meetingology: join #Ubuntu-nl-mwanzo <AlanBell> Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services <AlanBell> meetingology: join #Ubuntu-nl-mwanzo <UndiFineD> thanks AlanBell <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/TeamReports/11/February any more stuff to add? <charlie-tca> test case for screen-reader? <AlanBell> bung it in <charlie-tca> http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/DesktopAccessibility <charlie-tca> I haven't even had time to update Xubuntu reports yet <charlie-tca> but I will get there <erkan^> hmm, I am reading --> http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/DesktopAccessibility #ubuntu-accessibility 2011-03-03 <charlie-tca> alpha3 fails for accessibility install; orca starts and quits immediately when you get to the live desktop <Pendulum> :( <charlie-tca> I think there is too much crashing to make it usable by orca <hajour> hai Pendulum and charlie-tca <hajour> we just discovered undifined was hacked today .and the hacker comes root straight away <hajour> he use the owner his name <hajour> to do things under the ownders name <hajour> what seams to have happen to by jacky possible <hajour> we now let all teammembers from speechcontrol and wintermute check there pc s <hajour> he was in 5 attempts true ssh <hajour> in amazingly fast way <Pendulum> :( <hajour> undi will give logs from it to help irc <hajour> undi said i never have this fast way hacking <hajour> he camre true ssh <hajour> and undi have worked by government and by europese license office <charlie-tca> If a hacker got in through ssh, can he tell who it was? <hajour> so he know from security <hajour> its a a ip from a turkish server <hajour> 523-777-4502 <Pendulum> yeah, but IP doesn't mean that much. Anyone can buy a server somewhere <hajour> Doruk.net <hajour> server in Istanbul - TURKEY <hajour> AlanBell, had checked it <Pendulum> (or if it's a really good hacker, they could be using a machine they've hacked into to then hack into more machines <Pendulum> ) <maco> you're not a bank, and you're not a government. the authorities won't care that someone tried to crack your system <hajour> its means security needs to be improved <Pendulum> they'll care if they stole identity and start using your credit cards, but that's about it <hajour> i care when wintermute things and speechcontrol things are gone <hajour> they even have used it to come on wiki <hajour> what explaned why the links from the wiki where linking to empty pages <hajour> that happened on 18 february <hajour> i don't think linux like to be hacked <hajour> well just do with the info you all want <hajour> just don't say i have not warned for it <hajour> the hacker use the owners name <hajour> you only can see it on the ip adress <hajour> i have say jacky to warn everone from wintermute and speechcontrol that all team members need to check there pc <hajour> till later i am very busy at the moment not meant to be rude just want to inform you thats all <hajour> for info undifined have logs to proof it and to let see how the hacker works <hajour> http://paste.ubuntu.com/574729/ its all on here <TheMuso> charlie-tca: Hrm let me try the alpha 3 candidate and see if I can reproduce what you found with Orca. <TheMuso> If ssh is involved, IMO key authentication is the only way to do. <TheMuso> s/do/go/ <hajour> paultag is already busy with it <hajour> i think he know that things TheMuso ?or need i to tell him <TheMuso> hajour: He likely knows. <charlie-tca> TheMuso: thanks. <charlie-tca> Mine was a hardware installation here <hajour> ok thank you TheMuso :) <charlie-tca> I will probably try it again tomorrow, and file all the crash reports, but I am too tired today to file them all <hajour> good night charlie-tca :) <charlie-tca> good night, hajour <hajour> its 2:16 here in night <hajour> undi is still awake <charlie-tca> get some rest, morning comes too fast <hajour> he don't want to go sleeping before this is resolved <hajour> and he have to be awake again at 6:00 <TheMuso> That pastebin does not show how the hack was successful... <TheMuso> Unless I missed something. <TheMuso> All I see are invalid attempts, then, stuff to do with a session close for root. <hajour> i just have said to undi what you said TheMuso <hajour> he comes later tomorrow again and will explain it then <hajour> i am not a IT person <hajour> i only have give true what undifined said <TheMuso> hajour: No problem, just not sure if I've missed something. <hajour> he says it have no use to do true me he better tell it himself * TheMuso is now checking his gateway box ssh related activity, since he has an open ssh port for when he is on the road. <hajour> but now he really need to sleep he only have 4 hours left to sleep <charlie-tca> TheMuso, hajour : I see nothing in that pastebin either, except failed attempts. * TheMuso usuallyd oes check, but check again after the above discovery. <hajour> charlie-tca, undifined will tel tomorrow <hajour> he need to sleep <charlie-tca> I will to. so far, my firewall has held up well. I will go look in the logs tonight though and make sure <hajour> ok charlie-tca and TheMuso :) <hajour> i also need to go to sleep <hajour> i have 5 hours left then the kids need to wake up <TheMuso> Goodnight <hajour> goodnight TheMuso and charlie-tca <hajour> and everyone else * hajour yawns <TheMuso> charlie-tca: For me, the minimum requirements for ssh are key authenticatino only, and only allowing specific users with the AllowUser directive. <TheMuso> my logs are absolutely full of root ssh attempts, which is blocked. <charlie-tca> yup, I get hits constantly on my firewall. I use key authentication, but also specific ip's allowed in only <charlie-tca> I set iptables up to only allow my local ip addresses in <TheMuso> Yeah thats ok if you know where you are connecting from, but when on the road/over seas, I never know. <charlie-tca> that's true <charlie-tca> I can not even connect myself when not at home <TheMuso> Thats fair enough if you are willing to live with that. <TheMuso> Wow, a lot of attempts with oracle as the username. <charlie-tca> I am not smart enough to know how to set it safely for other uses <TheMuso> Fair enough. <Cheri703> I have fail2ban set up on mine <charlie-tca> never quite figured that out either <Cheri703> I just install it and leave it at default :) <Cheri703> locks you out after 3 failed attempts * Cheri703 tried it successfully then had to wait for it to clear -_- <Cheri703> *tried to get it to block er <Cheri703> *her <TheMuso> Cheri703: How long does it take to clear? <Cheri703> 15 or so minutes? maybe? <Cheri703> I think that's one of the things you can change, but I haven't bothered <Cheri703> but it may be long enough to get whoever is poking at it to move on <Cheri703> dunno <TheMuso> fair enough. <Cheri703> 3 failed attempts and that ip isn't allowed access <Cheri703> just a small protection piece <Cheri703> I dunno, maybe I'm too lax with mine <TheMuso> Yeah, I think keys do a large part of securing SSH, you just have to be careful with the keys themselves. <TheMuso> charlie-tca: Whilst booting into the desktop with accessibility/orca enabled works for me, I suspect I might know what caused it for you, and I think its a race. WIll upload a fix for it post alpha 3. <charlie-tca> Thanks <fregl> hi, would anyone be interested in packaging the Qt at-spi bridge some time? <AlanBell> fregl: probably <AlanBell> fregl: where is the code? <fregl> AlanBell: it needs at-spi2 to work, other than that it is a single .so plugin. feedback welcome http://gitorious.org/qt-at-spi <AlanBell> maco: ^^ <maco> will give it a look this weekend <fregl> thanks <AlanBell> maco: I am interested in helping, but you are the Qt guru <maco> not a guru <maco> just someone with a teensy bit of qt programming knowledge <AlanBell> everything is relative <darkdevil666> Hey hi! <darkdevil666> is there any team working on voice recognition? <Pendulum> darkdevil666: it's kinda complicated, but you probably want to talk to hajour and UndiFineD about speechcontrol <Pendulum> it's an upstream project that was started by them <Pendulum> bascially, voice recognition is something that linux and open source in general is waaay behind on <Pendulum> but hopefully speechcontrol will improve some of it for Ubuntu <Pendulum> I think it's really mainly meant for commands right now <Pendulum> (but they're also still a very new project) <darkdevil666> that's wonderful <Pendulum> things that aren't so closely ubuntu related you might also want to look at are julius and CMUSphinx and simon listens <UndiFineD> Thanks pen <Pendulum> you're welcome :) <Pendulum> (I'm head of the ubuntu accessibility team so it's kinda what I do to know this stuff ;-) ) <Pendulum> (especially since I'm not a developer) <darkdevil666> thnks a lot pendulum <Pendulum> UndiFineD: sorry, I missed that you said that. but I'm happy to send people your way who are interested :) <Pendulum> darkdevil666: you're welcome :) #ubuntu-accessibility 2011-03-04 <maco> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/IMMD/~3/1bJKWkoxzAI/ :D <charlie-tca> Thanks, maca <charlie-tca> hm, well <charlie-tca> thank you, maco <charlie-tca> those are the tidbits that keep me motivated <hajour> good night all #ubuntu-accessibility 2011-03-05 <hajour> TheMuso, we have a meeting on this moment <hajour> duanedesign, will you plz put the master thing from my name <duanedesign> hajour: remove youname from the wiki? <duanedesign> your name* <hajour> they said they had made me master <duanedesign> ohh <hajour> i don't want the master titel anymore <duanedesign> :( <hajour> i have a lot to say but don't no where <duanedesign> ok <hajour> ubt says to want to make more involving programs <hajour> and give true techniligy <hajour> technolechy <duanedesign> you can PM me if you wat <duanedesign> want* <hajour> btw i am not burnt out <hajour> i just piont to UBT there own rules <hajour> point <hajour> sorry for the language mistakes <hajour> yes i know what is told in ubuntu beginners team <hajour> don't tell story s about me who ever have said that <hajour> what are not true <duanedesign> we can talk anout this in a PM <hajour> why there is telling lies aboutme in open chat <hajour> why i then cant defend myself in open chat #ubuntu-accessibility 2011-03-06 <AlanBell> o/ Pendulum <Pendulum> hi AlanBell <AlanBell> I was going to ask about that mail I sent about the gnome accessibility thing, but I can't find it now <AlanBell> ATK/AT-SPI Hackfest <AlanBell> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-accessibility-list/2011-March/msg00000.html <Pendulum> do you know what the big problem is? <AlanBell> no <Pendulum> it's the same week as UDS <Pendulum> (they scheduled after UDS and are aware of the conflict) <AlanBell> so it is <AlanBell> I thought it was the week after #ubuntu-accessibility 2011-03-07 <AlanBell> anyone tried the accessible install options in Natty yet? <Pendulum> AlanBell: I think charlie-tca has been testing them <AlanBell> I am downloading the daily live CD iso at the moment to give it a go <cprofitt> hey Pendulum <Pendulum> hi cprofitt <cprofitt> going to try to review the links this week -- sorry for the delay <Pendulum> cprofitt: no worries <cprofitt> thanks Pendulum <charlie-tca> another win - It looks like we should now have the screen-reader install in the alternate natty images <charlie-tca> bug 672929 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 672929 in accerciser "accerciser segfaults when the mouse rollover the treeview on the left" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/672929 <charlie-tca> no <charlie-tca> bug 672699 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 672699 in debian-installer "screen-reader does not work " [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/672699 <charlie-tca> now if we could use onboard to search for apps in natty... <charlie-tca> not sure, but it looks like unity will not allow use of Onboard :-( <charlie-tca> um, dasher also can not be used to search for apps in unity. <Pendulum> charlie-tca: in other words people who can't use a keyboard are screwed currently? <charlie-tca> yup <charlie-tca> You can actually run about 8 apps <Pendulum> does dasher work within the apps and is one of them a terminal? <charlie-tca> yes, dasher and onboard work once the app starts. Terminal can be raised with Ctrl+Alt+t <charlie-tca> but no, it is not a default launcher <Pendulum> so actually can't get to a terminal if you can't type <charlie-tca> right <charlie-tca> Pendulum: there is a way to find the terminal with the mouse only <Pendulum> so that might work <Pendulum> (in fact, should work) <charlie-tca> You just have to johncrosby@example.net. It is a very non-intuitive system <Pendulum> as a work around for installing things? <charlie-tca> you bring up terminal and use apt-get to install? <Pendulum> yeah, that's what I was thinking of <Pendulum> not a great option <charlie-tca> yeah <hajour> hai all #ubuntu-accessibility 2011-03-09 <hajour> mm bad connections ? <phillw> Pendulum: could you PM me when you have time please. <phillw> Pendulum: ping <cprofitt> hey jono <Pendulum> phillw: I'm dealing with some RL stuff, will you be around later? <phillw> Pendulum: Indeed I will be. <hajour> hai all <hajour> for to be clear i don't need a liasion <hajour> i can talk for myself thank you for the offer but no <hajour> i not want a other person between <hajour> <hajour> it makes things slow down and often things are give true wrong <hajour> what gives misunderstandings and problems <jledbetter> hajour, Understood :) <Pendulum> hajour: since I have no idea what anyone wants to talk to me about, know that I'm happy to talk to you too (I'm just not in any shape to do it right at this moment) <hajour> i know Pendulum it was mend for info foe everybody <hajour> for i meant <hajour> i wonder who have that kind ideas often <hajour> i have already enough meetings don t need more <hajour> how shorter the line is.how faster things can be arranged <hajour> o btw jledbetter could you help me with to check 1 of this days from something i need to write for the next ubt meeting? <hajour> or it is good english <jledbetter> hajour, Of course. I was wondering if this was related to last night's meeting or not. I'd be happy to help. <hajour> i have note s what need to be make better in ubt <hajour> for to be able to help people better <jledbetter> hajour, Sounds great. <hajour> i will explain later i have to eat in about 10 minutes <hajour> o btw do they already know who become the 2 new council members? <jledbetter> hajour, No worries. I have a meeting soon anyway :) Can always email it to me. <jledbetter> hajour, Nope. Voting just opened. There are 5 up for it and one is me. <hajour> i not sure i have your email jledbetter <jledbetter> Inc then :) <hajour> have you got a link jledbetter ? if i may vote <jledbetter> hajour, I got an email with a link generated just for me so I assumed everyone in the team did. Hm. <hajour> what means inc? <hajour> i will go check after diner then <jledbetter> Sorry about that. inc means "incoming." I just gave it to you via PM <hajour> a ok thank you jledbetter <jledbetter> Very welcome hajour <hajour> o and Pendulum i hope you will feel some better soon <AlanBell> jledbetter: is there a list of the candidates? <jledbetter> AlanBell, I only know of the list on the url where I vote and that's unique so I can't pass it around. Not sure why it's not in the email sent to everyone. Let me check the list again. <AlanBell> I am not on the UBT mailing list <AlanBell> if it is civs you should have a link to the results page which is not personal I think <AlanBell> id=E_6753d86bd0b619e3 <AlanBell> that part, without the key is the poll ID <cprofitt> hey AlanBell <AlanBell> hi cprofitt <jledbetter> Ah, didn't know. Great :) <jledbetter> Nope, it wants both. <jledbetter> It was: hggdh, silverfox, darkwingduck, pablo, me <AlanBell> I think results.pl is fine without the key, but vote.pl needs both <AlanBell> however that is the info I was after <AlanBell> testimonials could do with some padding out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/jledbetter <jledbetter> AlanBell, Results page says "This poll (Ubuntu Beginners Team Council Election 2011) has not yet been ended by its supervisor, Nathan Handler (nhandler) (johncrosby@example.net). The poll has been announced to end Wed Mar 23 23:59:59 UTC 2011." so that wouldn't work for seeing people either. <jledbetter> AlanBell, I know. I'm horrible about asking for them and only just added that a bit ago. <AlanBell> ah, ok <AlanBell> it is a good bit to add :) <AlanBell> have you announced to your loco team that you are standing and would appreciate testimonials? <jledbetter> Nope. Good idea again :) <phillw> Pendulum: are you about, as this tired little drone needs to get some sleep :D <Pendulum> phillw: yep <phillw> jono: could you have a read of http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nocloakonjoin <phillw> Pendulum: would you PM me please <jono> phillw, eh? <phillw> jono your cloak is not being applied! <jono> phillw, weird, I am registered with nickserv <jono> is it a big deal/ <phillw> jono: not to me, but it gives your IP address away! <jono> phillw, I am not that bothered about that :-) <jono> one sec <jono> phillw, weird I am reg with nickserv, it should work <hajour> jono if they know your ip adress then its easier to hack you <AlanBell> I tried booting natty with the accessible option today <AlanBell> not a resounding success <AlanBell> you press space shortly after boot (no audio prompt or feedback) <TheMuso> AlanBell: Whats up with it? <AlanBell> then return for English, F5 for accessibility menu, down, down, down to choose screen reader, enter, enter to start running the live CD <AlanBell> then you get the drums and it says "Welcome to Orca. Current desktop environment is Unity. Orca Screen Reader slash Magnifier Frame. Preferences Button" <AlanBell> for a start, it isn't running Unity - I have no 3d drivers in the VM yet so it fell back to classic <TheMuso> Whoops, I need to address that a little better then. :) <AlanBell> it is just a crazy silent sequence to get it running <AlanBell> and it isn't helpful when it starts <TheMuso> AlanBell: Right, I have some ideas as to how that can be improved somewhat, but they will have to wait till the O cycle to do them. <TheMuso> How is it not helpful when it starts? <AlanBell> first thing I want it to say is "Welcome to *Ubuntu*" <TheMuso> That can be changed, but will break translations. <TheMuso> Not sure if its wise this late. <AlanBell> then "this is the Orca Screen reader, would you like to know how to use me?" <AlanBell> or something like that <TheMuso> AlanBell: Again, agreed. I wish I knew this earlier. <TheMuso> I could have had more time and allowance to fix such issues. <TheMuso> AlanBell: Plesae file a bug against Orca detailing your suggestinos. <TheMuso> gnome-orca even <AlanBell> http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2010/08/13/going-headless/ <AlanBell> I will file a bug <AlanBell> or two <TheMuso> AlanBell: Thanks. <hajour> TheMuso, have they solve the bug already? <TheMuso> hajour: WHich one? <hajour> from orca <TheMuso> Which one? <hajour> you install it <hajour> then put it on <hajour> we lost by the hack all info <hajour> thats why i describe it <TheMuso> I still don't understand. <hajour> after a few seconds your pc shut down <hajour> you get orca from your pc <AlanBell> do you have a bug number hajour? <hajour> but the pc stays over sand over shutting down <hajour> not anymore hack remember <hajour> much damage by undifineds pc <hajour> it was direct to gnome <hajour> where we have report the bug to <AlanBell> who reported it? <hajour> UndiFineD, <hajour> i hope it is resolved you see i need a speech program <hajour> i not remember good what i read <hajour> but what i hear i remember <hajour> is that understandable? <hajour> AlanBell, ^ <hajour> i mean have i explained it good? <AlanBell> I am unable to find any bugs on the gnome bugzilla containing an email address containing UndiFineD or dejong <hajour> TheMuso, i not new you was informed of that,that's why i said it <hajour> because its probably his old email <hajour> and that email is destroyed <AlanBell> all I want to do is search for the bug <hajour> UndiFineD, knows it his old email <AlanBell> is there anything you recall about the bug which might assist in searching for it? <hajour> its so bad we lost a lot by that hack <hajour> i have asked UndiFineD <hajour> he is typing <UndiFineD> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=637621 <ubot2> Gnome bug 637621 in speech "Orca crashes, logs me out" [Major,Resolved: invalid] <UndiFineD> but now that i have a different machine, and 2 reinstalls later, I cannot retreive any useful info anymore <AlanBell> ok, so that bug isn't an orca bug <AlanBell> and is a configuration issue on whatever machine it is <hajour> it was am pc <AlanBell> Launchpad is there so that bugs can be reproduced and improved before being pushed upstream <hajour> -m <hajour> UndiFineD, and by my eeepc to/notebook <AlanBell> bug 732315 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 732315 in gnome-orca "Orca fails to pick up on fall back to 2d desktop from Unity" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/732315 <UndiFineD> not the same, we dont use unity (yet), no mention of odd behaviour like being logged out <AlanBell> bug 732318 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 732318 in gnome-orca "Session starts with "Welcome to Orca" rather than "Welcome to Ubuntu"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/732318 <AlanBell> UndiFineD: I just filed that, your one would be solved with a clean install I expect <phillw> AlanBell: would you be so kind as to drop meetingology into ##sii-general (PM me if you want to what and why SII is). <AlanBell> it isn't a bug <UndiFineD> oh ok :) <UndiFineD> got you there AlanBell , I misunderstood <UndiFineD> the Welcome to Orca, isnt that a translation bug ? I think I translated that to Orca in nl_NL too <AlanBell> no, it is going to be a controversial Ubuntu vs Gnome policy kind of bug I should think <AlanBell> and the tutorial thing would be a new feature really <AlanBell> bug 732320 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 732320 in ubiquity "no audio clues on how to get into the accessible install with screen reader" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/732320 <hajour> well AlanBell will you let me know if the important bugs are resolved from orca? and i hope the voice is more improved <hajour> when i mean <hajour> i go try to sleep good night <AlanBell> the voice won't be improved in any orca bugs because that is not part of orca <hajour> where is the voice from then <hajour> AlanBell, <AlanBell> espeak I think <hajour> mmm ok <AlanBell> but orca uses speech-dispatcher and by default speech dispatcher uses espeak <hajour> i wil talk to rainct then <AlanBell> which sounds pretty nasty, but is small and fits on the CD <hajour> tomorrow i go put a mail to speechcontrol team in evening <AlanBell> if you want orca with a nice voice then that needs a speech dispatcher plugin to be written that sends the text that orca wants to say over to openMary or something else <AlanBell> and no, openMary won't ever end up on the CD <hajour> i thought it was already made? <TheMuso> AlanBell: Espeak certainly isn't the best sounding synth around, but it is hella efficient at high speeds, something jstu about all human sounding synths can't manage. <AlanBell> yes, I understand that <AlanBell> how fast can you listen? <TheMuso> The well known IBM ViaVoice/Eloquence is based on similar technology to espeak, which is why its so damn popular. <TheMuso> Well I currently have espeak with speech-dispatcher crankced up to full. Not sure how many words per minute that is,. <TheMuso> gah typing. <TheMuso> AlanBell: And thanks for those bug refs, I will take a look at them now and process them accordingly. <hajour> http://bloc.eurion.net/archives/2010/espeak-gui-0-2/comment-page-1/ <hajour> thats the last i had get <hajour> AlanBell, TheMuso ^ <AlanBell> I don't understand hajour, what are we supposed to be looking at? <hajour> i dont know thats my question <hajour> i said i needed a light weight plugin <hajour> and get this link <hajour> so .... <hajour> what is the meaning from that <hajour> and how can that help me <hajour> there by it have such small fonts i cant read that <hajour> maybe weird questions <hajour> i don't know <AlanBell> I don't know either, it does not seem to relate to wanting a speech dispatcher interface to a different text to voice engine <hajour> well they had suggest espeak i told it was to heavy for my eeepc <AlanBell> espeak is very light <hajour> then they said there was a light waith plugin <AlanBell> I still think you need to get yourself a more suitable computer <hajour> espeak takes all on from gnome <hajour> what i not need <hajour> and that makes it to heavy <AlanBell> espeak has gnome dependencies?? <hajour> yes <AlanBell> espeak-gui perhaps <hajour> we had searched what was the problem you see <hajour> and discovered that if you instal espeak <hajour> espeak automatic download all from gnome <hajour> you cant stop it <AlanBell> I am surprised <hajour> result is you memory is full and then eeepc not working anyore result reinstall all <AlanBell> however, gnome is the default desktop <hajour> but you need not all from gnome <AlanBell> I will try it on a minimal or server install tomorrow <hajour> resolve the automatic download and then will espeak be useble for light weight pc s <AlanBell> what desktop are you using? <AlanBell> desktop environment, like KDE or something? <hajour> eeepc 901 <hajour> lubuntu <AlanBell> hmm, lxde <AlanBell> I think we have an eeepc 901 somewhere <AlanBell> runs gnome just fine <hajour> KDE and ubuntu where to heavy <hajour> 1gb menory <hajour> memory <hajour> 16 gb harddisk <hajour> AlanBell, â¶ <hajour> ^ <AlanBell> actually it isn't a 901 we have, it is an asus 1008HA <AlanBell> however 1gb memory is plenty for gnome, and 16GB disk is fine <hajour> i need also memory for files <hajour> lubuntu works good <hajour> but it cant handle if all from gnome comes in <AlanBell> yeah, feel free to use lubuntu if you prefer that <hajour> i not have a choice AlanBell <hajour> with ubuntu i get many times screen freeze <AlanBell> however we are targetting the main audience on Ubuntu with Gnome <hajour> yes i know <AlanBell> night all o/ <hajour> o btw AlanBell i go put in some to next ubuntu meeting about improve upstream guiding from ubt <hajour> night AlanBell <hajour> i go sleep also <hajour> good night all or anway i go try #ubuntu-accessibility 2011-03-10 <hajour> http://espeak.sourceforge.net/ <hajour> AlanBell, ^ i not know but maybe you have something about this <hajour> night <CensoredBiscuit> g'day mate <Pendulum> hiya CensoredBiscuit <CensoredBiscuit> I guess its time to get to work? <CensoredBiscuit> Pendulum: ping? <CensoredBiscuit> Welcome back jono <jono> hey CensoredBiscuit <nigelb> CensoredBiscuit: she's probably alseep by now <CensoredBiscuit> I figured this much ahh It wasnt important anyhow <CensoredBiscuit> I should probably asleep CensoredBiscuit is becoming TiredBiscuit <CensoredBiscuit> Thank you though nigelb\ <nigelb> heh :) <phillw> hiyas Pendulum <MichealH> Hi Pendulum :) <Pendulum> hi phillw MichealH <phillw> Pendulum: meet the 2nd admin padawan - he is here to your and the team's bidding <MichealH> :) <phillw> Pendulum: he actually 'belongs' to duanedesign but is doing admin stuff with me, and doing a really god job of it. <phillw> *god* <MichealH> Pendulum, Prolly like phillw, If you ever need me, ping me or PM me, I do not bite! <phillw> *good* <phillw> Pendulum: he is also dev leader for inferno, so not only is he excellent at IRC / wiki he's also a good programmer https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MichealH (oops, sorry padawan overload, he is one of mine!) #ubuntu-accessibility 2011-03-11 <CensoredBiscuit> Hello <Pendulum> hiya CensoredBiscuit <Pendulum> CensoredBiscuit: may I PM you? <CensoredBiscuit> Hello Pendulum <CensoredBiscuit> I was about to ask the same, feel free, anytime :) <UndiFineD> o/ #ubuntu-accessibility 2011-03-12 <phillw_> charlie-tca: if you are about, could you please PM me? <Artir> !gender <ubot2> yes, I can confirm I am a female bot :) <Artir> rlolz <Artir> ;) #ubuntu-accessibility 2011-03-13 <AlanBell> http://people.debian.org/~sthibault/espeakup/ <- want! #ubuntu-accessibility 2011-03-15 <hajour> hi all <erkan^> Good night hajour (-: <hajour> goodnight erkan^ :) <erkan^> how are you? <hajour> still recovering <hajour> and how are you erkan^ <hajour> ? <erkan^> I am good, i am being with Google Picasa <erkan^> are you ill, hajour ? <hajour> i had a big epileptic attack in night i think <hajour> i got muscle pain everywhere and i was really tired <erkan^> ow <erkan^> doe aan rusten, aub <hajour> yes i will do easy <hajour> i will not be long here now. <erkan^> I understand it <hajour> tomorrow i come longer again <erkan^> i don't care, it is importnat when you feel very good than we can chat, hajour <hajour> i just missed ubuntu <erkan^> ja, maar ga je toch niet bij ubuntu weg, hajour ? of begreep ik verkeerd? <hajour> no i don't leave ubuntu .we have talked it out well sort off <hajour> ubt is not ubuntu <hajour> ubt=ubuntu-beginners-team <erkan^> ok <erkan^> I go sleep now. veel sterkte en hugs, erkan^ :) <erkan^> I go sleep now. veel sterkte en hugs, hajour :) <hajour> o to late <hajour> jledbetter, are you around? <jledbetter> hajour, Yes. How are you? <hajour> recovering <hajour> and how are you jledbetter ? <jledbetter> hajour, Recovering? I'm fine. Almost bed time here. :) <hajour> i had a epileptic attack a couple of days ago <hajour> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eU56nAV284 <<< like this <jledbetter> hajour, Oh no :( I'm glad to hear that you're recovering <hajour> muscles are still stiff and still fast tired <jledbetter> hajour, Are there things to help with the soreness? <hajour> but i not have yet make a mail together with maco for asking sponsoring <hajour> no just have to go true it <jledbetter> hajour, When is it due? I really hope you apply. <hajour> am i now to late for ask sponsering ? <Pendulum> hajour: nope. sponsorship applications are due by March 29th <hajour> UndiFineD, have put me on the list for uds <jledbetter> Pendulum, Thank you :) <hajour> thank you Pendulum <Pendulum> jledbetter: for? <hajour> but if i get sponsering and i can come. <jledbetter> Pendulum, The date. I couldn't remember. <hajour> i would like someone is informed about some things <hajour> if i get a attack medic people moslty give depakine injection. because its fluid . <hajour> but i am very alergic for depakine <hajour> if i get a attack i cant say it myself <hajour> someone else need to say it then <Cheri703> hajour: you might carry a card or something with instructions like that. just in general, not UDS specifically * hajour remembers now again why she was not be away 21 years vacation ect. <hajour> yes but still not all medic look or you have a card <hajour> they just response fast as possible <hajour> also i hope if that happens .what i hope not.people nnot go be afraid for me or something <Cheri703> if you wear a medic alert bracelet or necklace, then it alerts them that there is more going on <hajour> i had a neckllace when i was child and still a medic gave me depakine <hajour> so thats why i am more reassured if some people know that <Cheri703> well, yeah, but there's no guarantee that any of the people you have told in advance are going to be with you at all times <hajour> still it make change smaller it will happen <hajour> will not happen i mean <hajour> i not know or i can go or i get sponsering and i now already am nerves <hajour> o btw i walk on high heals.because if i wear flat shoes i fall.my muscles arewrong grown in my childhood because of have wear a iron hip mmm bricket? not know the good word for it <hajour> i have wear that 3 years from half year till 3 and half year <hajour> mm i think i need to buy more duck tape <hajour> then i can tape my bodyparts better to each other <hajour> XD i see it all for me .silver woman <hajour> all taped in <hajour> it will be cheap not cost on cloths :)) <hajour> ye well better see things with a little humor <hajour> btw who is already been on a UDS? Pendulum i know <hajour> i am trying to get a idea what i can expect on a UDS <hajour> mmm i just discovered my kids have played last week on my games on facebook .they do better then me :D <hajour> my oldest almost not sleep whole here live <hajour> i think she was bored. <hajour> well enough talked against myself by <hajour> till later maybe <hajour> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/15/japan-nuclear-crisis-tsunami-live <hajour> persia and rx007 live in japan .i not know who more from ubuntu <hajour> jledbetter nobody knows yet from japanese ubuntu or they are alive ect <pleia2> persia has checked in, he's ok <hajour> btw it makes me mad to see after all what is happened the many victums .to see that piece between about a kill bank black day.what is money compared to humans <hajour> glad to hear persia is ok pleia2 <hajour> his family to pleia2 ? <pleia2> hajour: I haven't heard any bad news <hajour> have they food and shelther? <pleia2> I don't know anything behind him saying that he's ok :) <hajour> if you speak him will you ask him then pleia2 ? <pleia2> of course <hajour> if he need help i thought on organize some here from ubuntu for to help ubuntu teammembers when needed pleia2 <hajour> many small things together can make a big difference <hajour> japanese ubuntu team members <hajour> i meant <hajour> if it is not a good idea just say <pleia2> it's certainly something we should keep in mind if they need the help <hajour> pleia2, if you speak persia will you want ask then or he know or rx007 is ok? <hajour> we could ask on uds then <hajour> the danger is still not gone btw.because of the nuclear reactor <hajour> and after shocks <pleia2> yeah <hajour> cant help it .in this kind things my brains is going on max by thinking of possibly solutions <hajour> for to help <hajour> i cant sleep <hajour> rx007 is team member of speechcontrol <hajour> not heard from him <pleia2> I have a cousin in tokyo, she said there are still outages for power and internet <pleia2> so hopefully it's just that he hasn't been able to get to a stable internet connection <hajour> yes i hope so <hajour> good friend of my brother who is married to japanese woman live also in japan with there son <hajour> not heard of them to <pleia2> hope everyone is ok <pleia2> bedtime for me, take care hajour <hajour> good night pleia2 <hajour> and you to take care pleia2 <erkan^> AlanBell, i have a probleem with a magnifier (i had typing on a terminal --> magnifier) <erkan^> (magnifier:5832): Bonobo-WARNING **: Assigning a default value to a non readable property 'source-display-screen' <erkan^> (magnifier:5832): Bonobo-WARNING **: Assigning a default value to a non readable property 'target-display-screen' <erkan^> An instance of magnifier is already active. Exiting Program. <erkan^> hello #ubuntu-accessibility 2011-03-16 <CensoredBiscuit> Aye. Pendulum <hajour> hi all <Pendulum> TheMuso: are you around? <TheMuso> Pendulum: Yep I am now. <Pendulum> okay meeting time! <Pendulum> #startmeeting <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Mar 16 21:00:16 2011 UTC. The chair is Pendulum. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell. <meetingology> Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting. <Pendulum> who's here for the meeting? <Cheri703> here * Pendulum pokes at charlie-tca AlanBell hajour TheMuso maco <charlie-tca> Hello <Pendulum> this could be a very short meeting <Pendulum> (since we have very few people) * TheMuso is. * TheMuso notes he is somewhat late with his blog entry for this week... I'll do my best to get it finished ASAP. <Pendulum> CensoredBiscuit: you around for the meeting? (no worries if you aren't) <maco> hi <Pendulum> okay, agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingAgenda <Pendulum> #topic Natty Testing <meetingology> TOPIC: Natty Testing <Pendulum> charlie-tca: what's the status on the testing you're doing? what can we help with? <charlie-tca> We don't have usable images again. Hopefully, tomorrow, we get an image that works again. <charlie-tca> Have not had a good image in a week now <TheMuso> Yeah there is a lot of upheaval atm. <charlie-tca> Can't tell if the install works or fails, since I haven't been able to install since alpha3 released <charlie-tca> It would be great to have two or three or more run installs, when we get it working again <charlie-tca> We need someone to test dasher and screen magnifier, too, when we can get things working * Cheri703 can do that if the process for testing is well explained <Pendulum> charlie-tca: that was my next question :) <Pendulum> TheMuso: what's the status of the accessibility features making it in? <charlie-tca> http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/DesktopAccessibility <TheMuso> Pendulum: Well things are still broken. They will likely be fixed by natty final, but I dare say they will lack polish. For this reason, myself and a couple of Desktop tea members are considering setting the default desktop session to GNOME for one or more accessibility profiles. <TheMuso> But unity will be there for people to try should they choose to do so. <Pendulum> *nods* I saw some discussion of that, just wasn't sure how 'official' it was <charlie-tca> that would be great, since it is close to impossible to use unity without full keyboard and mouse <AlanBell> o/ <AlanBell> just got in <charlie-tca> I find unity very hard to use, myself. It is not intuitive, there are no menus, and you have to search all over to find anything <TheMuso> charlie-tca: You are aware that all icons on the launcher have a quicklist/context menu? <charlie-tca> no <charlie-tca> where the hell is all this information? <charlie-tca> We can't even have the shortcuts list on the wiki any more. It is only found on askubuntu.com, if you know where to look for it. <Cheri703> I find that a LOT of information is fragmented, it takes a lot of new searches to find things <Pendulum> charlie-tca: why no shortcuts list on the wiki? <charlie-tca> apparently, if you complain long enough, someone finally tells you <charlie-tca> jcastro moved the shortcuts to askubuntu.com <maco> moved, not copied? how silly <AlanBell> he did <maco> did you try asking him to have it in both spots? <charlie-tca> and, you can't easily add to them now, since the language used is not conventional markup for the wiki <AlanBell> he got massively frustrated with the slowness of the wiki <Pendulum> maco: they're trying to consolidate a lot of things to askubuntu rather than the wiki :-/ <maco> ew <AlanBell> the can be added back to the wiki, but they wanted one place to maintain them <charlie-tca> The problem is finding the stuff over there <charlie-tca> and then editing it to add anything <AlanBell> there is a pointer on the page over to the askubuntu place <maco> that's a tech support site, not a brain-dump site! <maco> *sigh* <AlanBell> I agree <AlanBell> I *have* been trying hard to address the issue of the wiki * TheMuso agrees with all thats been said. <Pendulum> maco: there was a UDS session about it in Orlando, unfortunately it was the last slot on the last day so I think a lot of people were too tired <charlie-tca> I, for one, can not add a shortcut now. I can't really remember the right syntax <charlie-tca> Pendulum: and it was approved as a supplement to launchpad answers, not as a wiki replacement <Pendulum> I think if we can, we should stick it back on the wiki under /Accessibility and if we have to assign a person to update based on when things are added on askubuntu, that's what we do <Pendulum> it's a PITA to do it that way, but I agree with all the issues about askubuntu <Pendulum> (I personally don't touch askubuntu if I don't have to) <charlie-tca> Yes, we can do that. It really should be under the help wiki, though <AlanBell> personally I would be inclined to leave it there until release and then put it on the wiki <Pendulum> AlanBell: that could work too <charlie-tca> um, I don't see many changes happening to it over there, actually. <AlanBell> it is over there so jcastro can maintain it better <AlanBell> I think he will <Pendulum> have we ever figured out if askubuntu is screen-reader friendly? <AlanBell> it is the tool he likes to use <charlie-tca> people will add to it if it is on the wiki <charlie-tca> as I recall, it is not <AlanBell> there have been discussions about stackexchange and screen readers, there are blind people who use it <Pendulum> I've seen things saying both ways. but no idea how long ago anyone last checked <Pendulum> TheMuso: charlie-tca AlanBell, are any of you willing to check to see if askubuntu.com can be read using a screen reader? <charlie-tca> yes <TheMuso> Yeah I can. <AlanBell> I can test with orca, but I don't know about specialised web page readers <AlanBell> I can look at the RSS feed <charlie-tca> http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/keyboard-shortcuts-in-unity/28087#28087 <charlie-tca> is a good page to try <Pendulum> can I just assign the 3 of you to look into it and get back to to us by the next meeting? * charlie-tca nods <AlanBell> yup <paul_h> I'm looking at askubuntu with orca too <TheMuso> Seems fine with Orca and firefox in natty. <paul_h> looks okay thus far <TheMuso> Yeah <Pendulum> okay, so maybe not a concern :D <Pendulum> (and now not an action item either!) <Pendulum> okay, since we kinda started talking about development as well, TheMuso is there anything you want to add about what's going on with development? <TheMuso> Nothing else to add, I covered what I wanted to say earlier re testing. However in that time I have reda some email, adn more accessibility stuff is likely to land this week, so with a bit of luck, we will have a somewhat accessible unity, so the decision to keep the default session to classic GNOME will be held off till next week. <Pendulum> great <Pendulum> charlie-tca: anything else regarding testing? <charlie-tca> no, just hope we can get some testing in soon <Pendulum> great, moving on <paul_h> sorry, been away for a while, may I ask if the installer is likely to be accessible <charlie-tca> yes, it is. <paul_h> great, thanks <TheMuso> THere has been a bit of work towards addressing that, and yes, things are much better now, but still not perfect, but thats due to webkit support still not being 100% complete. <Pendulum> :) <Pendulum> #topic Blog Volunteers <meetingology> TOPIC: Blog Volunteers * Pendulum waits for the groans <Pendulum> we were not so good at getting posts out this month <charlie-tca> again? * Cheri703 apologizes for slacking off the interviews...wasn't sure where to start. <Cheri703> I can step up and do that <Pendulum> this is partially my fault for not poking people * AlanBell is getting close to posting the next persona <Pendulum> I think we got maybe 1/2 of them up * charlie-tca is trying to write another post on testing <Pendulum> I'm not overly worried, just think we should try to continue to do better! <Pendulum> so we really have 5 weeks we need to schedule in this time <TheMuso> Agreed. As I said earlier, mine is not finished, but hopefully will be by the end of the week. <Pendulum> for those of you who are unaware, we now have a blog at http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/ <Pendulum> and we're trying to get at least one post up on it a week <Pendulum> they can be about anything accessibility related <Pendulum> well, accessibility and Ubuntu/computing related <Cheri703> does that go through planet ubuntu? I seem to recall seeing at least some of those <Pendulum> yes <Pendulum> I'd like to volunteer next week to write something about accessibility at UDS <Pendulum> does anyone have a problem with that? <TheMuso> ounds good. <TheMuso> sounds <charlie-tca> great! <Pendulum> #action Pendulum to write post on UDS accessibility for week of March 21st <meetingology> ACTION: Pendulum to write post on UDS accessibility for week of March 21st <Pendulum> so who is interested in writing for the week after that? you don't need an actual topic in mind right now <AlanBell> well put me down for the persona asap <charlie-tca> We will be testing beta1 the week of march 27 <valorie> I don't have an account on the access blog, but I'd like to write about KDE and accessability at some point <valorie> the kubuntu angle <AlanBell> we can set up additional accounts <charlie-tca> heh, I just send mine to Pendulum <Pendulum> either way works <valorie> ok, I can do it that way too <valorie> I'm on the KDE accessability list and channel <Pendulum> AlanBell: do you want to do the persona the week after next? * TheMuso is too. <valorie> there is work being done, and they are interfacing with Canonical I believe <AlanBell> yeah, sure * Pendulum really should join that channel <Pendulum> #action AlanBell to blog about the next persona week of March 28th <meetingology> ACTION: AlanBell to blog about the next persona week of March 28th <valorie> what is the best timing? <valorie> now, or later <Pendulum> charlie-tca: what's good timing for your next testing blog post? <charlie-tca> I can take the week of April 4 <charlie-tca> i guess <Pendulum> ok <Pendulum> valorie: do you want to do the week after that? <valorie> so second week of April? <Pendulum> #action charlie-tca to blog about testing for week of April 4th <meetingology> ACTION: charlie-tca to blog about testing for week of April 4th <Pendulum> valorie: yeah, the one starting the 11th <valorie> sounds good <Pendulum> #action valorie to blog about KDE accessibility for week of April 11th <meetingology> ACTION: valorie to blog about KDE accessibility for week of April 11th <valorie> I'll try to get it done before, and let you release it <Pendulum> Cheri703: do you think you'd manage to get an interview done for the week of April 20th? <Cheri703> sure <Pendulum> #action Cheri703 to do first interview for week of April 20th <meetingology> ACTION: Cheri703 to do first interview for week of April 20th <Pendulum> and that's all the posts we need to schedule for now! <Pendulum> if anyone else wants to post anything between now and then feel free to either send it to AlanBell or myself or poke us and we can give you access to the blog <Pendulum> all I want to try to avoid is 2 posts in the same day <Pendulum> past that, I have no problem with lots of posts :) <Pendulum> so now that's done <charlie-tca> \o/ <Pendulum> #topic Next Persona <meetingology> TOPIC: Next Persona <Pendulum> AlanBell: this is all you :P <valorie> oooo, I could submit the post to dotKDE too <valorie> :-) <valorie> giving us all kinds of coverage <AlanBell> so the next persona is Daniela <AlanBell> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/daniela <AlanBell> I am working on the text at the bottom of the page <AlanBell> there are a bunch of notes above <AlanBell> she is totally blind <AlanBell> one
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