#ubuntu-us-or 2011-12-01 <bkerensa> slangasek: Ok will I will try hard... I reached out to Linbit and if they cant do it then I might ask PuppetLabs if they can help out but they are already providing venue so idk <bkerensa> :P <slangasek> bkerensa: well, I haven't promised the attendees food yet :) <bkerensa> slangasek: Ok well dont promise them and if it some how makes it we can surprise them.... PuppetLabs does have beverages on site and has let us use them each time though * slangasek nods <slangasek> I figure we'll leave out any mention of food until the day of <bkerensa> slangasek: I'm gonna print up some signs with Debian and Ubuntu logos <slangasek> and if we find a sponsor, great, and if not we can arrange something ad hoc <slangasek> fwiw and speaking only for myself, I'm unlikely to eat pizza whether free or not, but don't let that deter you from arranging something for the group :) <bkerensa> slangasek: LOL you dont like pizza? Notably last time we got Pizzacato which is pretty good for pizza :P <bkerensa> slangasek: Well if we get the funding I can have a veggie tray come too <slangasek> it's incompatible with my current dietary experimentation <bkerensa> ahh :D <bkerensa> gluten free? <bkerensa> :D <slangasek> reduced carb <bkerensa> ahh that makes sense.... more power to you... I wish I could cut out carbs :D <bkerensa> Great Success -> http://i.imgur.com/bFDQX.png <bkerensa> !Debian <lubotu1> Ubuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process. See https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/installation-guide/i386/what-is-debian.html - Remember, !repositories meant for Debian should NOT be used on Ubuntu! <Brian_H> morning everyone <kalosaurusrex> morning morning <bkerensa> So tired <bkerensa> slangasek: Yeah I was up till very early attempting at it but epic fail :P then I decided to sleep in today and my phone's prowl notification kept going off <slangasek> bkerensa: prowl notification? :) <slangasek> anyway, http://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging is the simplest quick-start guide I know for getting a package building <bkerensa> slangasek: Well when my irc client is disconnected from ZNC and my nick is mentioned in one of 25 channels or certain keywords my phone goes off :P <bkerensa> ahh :D ok * bkerensa was kind of wondering why a bug for a application needing a package would be open for a app that is not even open source :D <slangasek> oh? <bkerensa> yeah desura <bkerensa> the source is not even available... :P they had talked about open sourcing it #ubuntu-us-or 2011-12-02 <c_smith> heya <c_smith> hello <bkerensa> slangasek: Becky Morgan Asst. Professor at WOU will be joining us on Sunday <bkerensa> she is working on her disertation for a PhD in Comp Sci <blkperl> xinetd-- <bkerensa> blkperl: Command Unrecognized <blkperl> its a daemon <blkperl> its not playing nice with amanda <slangasek> bkerensa: Becky Morgan> nice :) <bkerensa> :) Get to go have Sushi with nathwill today and perhaps some cocktails #ubuntu-us-or 2011-12-03 <bkerensa> Hi MarkDude <MarkDude> Hey there bker <MarkDude> bkerensa, <bkerensa> MarkDude: Do you have the link to your talk at Yahoo in California? <bkerensa> We might be doing a talk at Yahoo at the end of January <MarkDude> Yep <MarkDude> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au7Vm88aVuU <MarkDude> Epic beard is EPIC. * MarkDude still has access to LAMP meeting ML <MarkDude> Help get folks there <slangasek> bkerensa: can you please approve me follow-up post to ubuntu-us-or@lists? <slangasek> s/me/my/ <slangasek> bkerensa: ^^ nevermind that one, routed around by sending from a different address :) #ubuntu-us-or 2011-12-04 * bkerensa begins to work on signs <blkperl> bkerensa: wiki.ubuntu.com just gave me an error while logging in <bkerensa> blkperl: blame Canonical ;) <blkperl> well i clicked the sign in button on your wiki so ha ;) <blkperl> it seems to be working now <bkerensa> blkperl: Canonical hosts and manages the Wiki ;) My servers do not ever have as much trouble as theirs :P <blkperl> ill just have to blame charlieS as usual <bkerensa> blkperl: You coming to the event tomorrow? <blkperl> bkerensa: yep <bkerensa> blkperl: Cool just look for a sign with a mashup of the debian and ubuntu logo <bkerensa> ;) * bkerensa is wasting a intense amount of colored ink on signs right now <bkerensa> Going forward I'm making laminated signs :P * blkperl is familar with the puppetlabs office, its hard to miss :) <bkerensa> yeah they dont exactly have a sign outside :P <blkperl> do you know which puppetlabs employees will be there? <bkerensa> hopefully the Occupy Portland folks arent marching tomorrow because they decided to camp in the park blocks <bkerensa> =/ <blkperl> #occupypuppetlabs ftw <bkerensa> blkperl: Nope.... I only know two scottashley@example.org..... Jose Palafox and I met their CEO once but thats it <bkerensa> :D <blkperl> hehe :P <blkperl> you need to meet Dan Bode he's funny * blkperl use to know the whole dev team but then they trippled in zie <blkperl> size* <bkerensa> blkperl: Yeah the company is growing... They keep getting millions and millions more in VC money <blkperl> yep <MarkDude> bkerensa, how did you do that on FB? <bkerensa> MarkDude: Uhh special markup :P. anyways Im off to bed I have a event tomorrow early :) <bkerensa> slangasek: Seeya tomorrow morning at Starbucks <MarkDude> later <Bkerensa-mobi> slangasek: ok at starbucks <slangasek> http://wiki.debian.org/BSP2011/Portland <bkerensa> hey nathwill <bkerensa> ;) <bkerensa> hi blkperl <blkperl> hi <blkperl> is bkero coming today? <bkerensa> idk is bkero is coming :D <bkerensa> could he be here already? <bkerensa> :D <blkperl> i don't think so <bdmurray> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html <bkerensa> Hi WalterN <WalterN> afternoon <bkerensa> hi zenlinux_ <WalterN> bug bashing? <bkerensa> WalterN: Right now SRU Verification in the room I'm in but I'm waiting for my virtualbox to finish <bkerensa> other room they are doing Multiarch <blkperl> bkero: status? <bdmurray> kees: so http://ec2blablah.amazonaws.com should work? <kees> bkerensa: hrm, having trouble with the port still <kees> jinx <kees> it _should_ but it doesn't. <kees> the ec2 network security group thinks port 80 is open. <kees> still poking at it <bdmurray> okay, thanks <kees> AH-HA <kees> juju uses a separate security group. of course. :P <kees> bdmurray, bkerensa: okay, should work now. <bkerensa> will check <bkerensa> kees: Yep works good <kees> \o/ <zenlinux_> bkerensa, sorry, my xchat notifications aren't working for some reason. hello :) <bkerensa> zenlinux_: Are you at the jam? <bkerensa> blkperl: Has bkero arrived out there? <jhelwig> bkerensa: zenlinux_ is out in the main room of the jam, though no longer on IRC, apparently. <bkerensa> jhelwig: Cool just trying to keep up with who has shown up :D <blkperl> bkerensa: i havn't seen a bkero <bkerensa> blkperl: Looks like he is picking up two people then heading this people <blkperl> sweet #ubuntu-us-or 2011-12-05 <bkerensa> blkperl: Can I summon your assistance :) <bdmurray> bkerensa: you need to say beetlejuice 3 times <c_smith> hi * bkerensa is out for the count... gnight <bkerensa> hi MarkDude <MarkDude> Hey there bkerensa <MarkDude> bkero really messed up my typing bk<tab> <MarkDude> now i need to type bkere<tab> <bkerensa> hehe <MarkDude> I am more than half the way there <MarkDude> lol <MarkDude> How did your day go? <MarkDude> You did some FOSS stuff today? <MarkDude> What happened to the OT channel? <bkerensa> hmm? <bkerensa> MarkDude: Oh I didnt do as much as I wanted but slangasek he did epic amount of work and really got out there and taught people stuff they will take with them <bkerensa> ;) <MarkDude> well Ubuntu-Debian and FOSS stuff is important <MarkDude> Distros can be nice to each other * MarkDude had a Fedora release party today, besides the obvious swag, I had Ubuntu Women fliers <MarkDude> and gave out some Ubuntu media I got from pleia2 <MarkDude> I picked up the media from here - in SAn Fran as I was going from one flashmob location to another <MarkDude> A few people laughed when I said I had to meet someone on the corner, <MarkDude> I literally met her when walking and graabed a bag of CDs <MarkDude> Nixie Pixel was there, she said it looked like a drug deal almost :D <MarkDude> What did he cover - packaging and bug stuff? <bdmurray> bkerensa: did you see hedgewars and boinc both moved from -proposed to -updates today? <bdmurray> bkerensa: and some others that we did <slangasek> bkero, blkperl: did spencer finish the patch for libcap2? Doesn't look like it made it to Debian as a bug report <slangasek> (is he on irc somewhere?) <bkero> slangasek: haven't seen it to my knowledge <bkero> he should be here under the irc name 'nibz' <bkero> Or nibalizer <slangasek> ok, I'll ping him, thanks <bkero> de nada <blkperl> slangasek: i think he got nerdsniped by another package that he was working on with adam_g <slangasek> heh <slangasek> bkerensa: and I guess you had advanced warning that Kevin (I think he said he was from OSU?) was coming - do you have his contact info? <slangasek> would like to see where he got to with libshout3 and help him get the patch submitted if need be :) * blkperl still needs to fix his patches <blkperl> but that will be tomorrow after 8am - 12pm finals :( <slangasek> yes, I think those should probably take precedence ;) <blkperl> slangasek: would you like give a talk on jan 14? <slangasek> blkperl: I'm out of the country then <blkperl> awww <blkperl> when do you return? <slangasek> the 17th <blkperl> jan 20 then? <blkperl> or jan 27 ? <slangasek> it's possible :) <slangasek> this is for the talk at PSU? <blkperl> ya for PSU's local ACM chapter <slangasek> so before I commit, let me think for a bit and make sure I can come up with an interesting talk in that time <slangasek> when would you need to know by? <slangasek> and would this be daytime or evening? <blkperl> Fridays from 4 up to 5:45 <slangasek> ok <bkerensa> slangasek: I dont know who Kevin is ;) <slangasek> well, blast <slangasek> I guess that makes it harder to track him donw <slangasek> down <bkerensa> slangasek: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/audiofile/0.3.2-0ubuntu4 <bkerensa> does it matter that the Debian bug is improperly linked? <slangasek> bkerensa: not really :) <bkerensa> ok <bkerensa> slangasek: Any more important packages to convert to multiarch? :) <slangasek> just the ones that were in the list in the wiki :) #ubuntu-us-or 2011-12-06 <MarkDude> you are hella funny bkerensa <bkerensa> MarkDude: I aim to please :P <MarkDude> I got nervous when I saw that you commented <MarkDude> I was like oh crap= is he gonna try to mess this up? <MarkDude> Just met her last week <bkerensa> I have like $60 credit on Redbeacon but no idea what to spend it on <MarkDude> I swear, has Shuttleworth called you and say he is willing to let you stay at his island- and use a jetpack to get there? <MarkDude> You have some serious tech pull * MarkDude respects the hell out of that <bkerensa> I would not want to stay at Shuttleworth's Island :P because when I tell him the water doesnt work he would say "We wont fix" <MarkDude> rofl <bkerensa> hi teknotus <bkerensa> slangasek: I figure out the Kevin you were talking about <bkerensa> he is in #OSU-LUG his nick is Ngoke <slangasek> ah yes <slangasek> thanks :) <bkerensa> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w68qZ8JvBds <bkerensa> Ta ta I'm off to Fry's then the Container Store :P <kees> heh, that's a great use of a scanner. #ubuntu-us-or 2011-12-07 <bkerensa> I just discovered the amazing that is the container store <bkerensa> :D <kees> them and Storables. â¥ <bkerensa> The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later. <bkerensa> Apache/2.2.14 (Ubuntu) Server at <bkerensa> =/ <blkperl> slangasek: i think my mail finally went threw... bug 651247, #651249, how do i mark them as dupicates? <lubotu1> Error: Launchpad bug 651247 could not be found <lubotu1> Launchpad bug 651249 in ghostscript (Ubuntu) "gs crashed with SIGSEGV in check_device_separable()" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651249 <blkperl> these are debian bugs btw <slangasek> blkperl: hah - I've merged them, thanks <slangasek> blkperl: (echo 'forcemerge 65109 651249' | mail scottashley@example.org) <blkperl> cool <bkerensa> sup nathwill <bkerensa> bug 1 <lubotu1> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 <bkerensa> or nathwill_ ;) <blkperl> adam_g: just pxe booted precise :) <blkperl> the real fun comes when i run puppet though <blkperl> slangasek: how hard is it to convert systemv services to upstart jobs? * bkerensa does some work on his CentOS box <blkperl> bkerensa: march is too far away :( for the next bug day <bkerensa> blkperl: Well there will be other Ubuntu Oregon stuff between now and then.... Boozings and such ;) <bkerensa> But yeah I agree <bkerensa> :D * blkperl needs a puppet manifest to make the chrooted debian package environment <bkerensa> no juju charm? <blkperl> well since i lost my cloud, i need to make a new cloud, but why make one when i can puppet 10 :) * nathwill yawns <nathwill> morning party people <slangasek> blkperl: harder than it should be, unfortunately :) <slangasek> mostly because working out the correct start conditions is tricky <adam_g> blkperl: nice :) <adam_g> blkperl: oh, and using the charm kees made for the party on sunday, you can use juju to deploy to a local lxc container, or virtual machine, or physical machine <kees> schweet <bkerensa> hi nathwill <nathwill> hi bkerensa :) <nathwill> i'm doing software packaging at work today... o.O <bkerensa> nathwill: Software packaging huh? <nathwill> yeah, i know, right? <bkerensa> :P let me know when you convert a existing package to Multi-Arch at work :P <bkerensa> nathwill: We should grab some sushi when I get back from California <nathwill> when's that? <nathwill> and how do you feel about thai food? <bkerensa> The monday after Christmas <bkerensa> I like some thai food ;) I also like Pho <shannonlucas> Mmmm. Thai food. <shannonlucas> Is Eagle Thai in PDX still open? <bkerensa> nathwill: Ya know..... The Debian folks know this good Thai place in the Hawthorne <bkerensa> :P <bkerensa> shannonlucas: Hmm no idea <shannonlucas> bkerensa: I think it was on Broadway. It was really really good, but I heard somewhere it had closed. <bkerensa> according to Yelp it is closed <nathwill> hrm <nathwill> thaiphoon (sp?) is really good (spendy though...) <nathwill> there's also a nice thai place in hillsdale my sister goes to often <bkerensa> nathwill: Well lets set something up when I get back and you can bring the sis.... I like Hillsdale area <bkerensa> :D <nathwill> yeah, me too. kinda miss living in a quieter part of town <bkerensa> nathwill: Im jealous you got to go to the rose garden :P * bkerensa has still never been there for any reason but I think Jenn's work has a few sets of season tickets so maybe soon <nathwill> bkerensa: the mumford and sons concert was freaking amazing <nathwill> as was john mayer last year <bkerensa> I like John Mayer <bkerensa> I have only been to a few concerts in my time..... Michael Jackson, Winona Judd, Tim McGraw, Train, E-40, Tooshort <shannonlucas> Winona? Oy vey! <bkerensa> yeah but that was when I was young <bkerensa> :P <bkerensa> my mom liked Winona <shannonlucas> I saw Erasure about a month ago. <bkerensa> Cool <bkerensa> I keep telling myself I'm going to go to concerts every summer but it just never ends up panning out <bkerensa> But I got some sort of credit on a ticket site now thanks to Klout so perhaps next summer <shannonlucas> They're kind of pricey these days <bkerensa> Oh and I actually went to a concert at the Zoo last summer and saw Joan Baez <bkerensa> if that counts as a concert <shannonlucas> If it was at a venue larger than a coffee shop, it was a concert :p <bkerensa> wow channel is just one person behind california <shannonlucas> Well I'm a foreigner (in Washington), so it may not count. <bkerensa> true ;) well I idle in their channel too so :D <shannonlucas> Yeah, they don't talk, so I'm here :p <bkerensa> MarkDude: Remember when this channel had 2 idlers :P <MarkDude> Yes I do * MarkDude never gave up on it <MarkDude> Told Fedora, I was going to bve acting lead until replacement was found <MarkDude> The new lead has not only replaced me- but surpassed <MarkDude> :) <MarkDude> And kept it growing <MarkDude> And now it has more than Cali <MarkDude> They have like 5+ bots in channel there <MarkDude> And Oregon only has like 2 electoral votes <MarkDude> I kid <bkerensa> heh <MarkDude> I mean how does Cali not have 50+ * MarkDude blames you bkerensa <MarkDude> Its not that they are doing badly, it's that you and your team are DOING SO WELL <MarkDude> :) <bkerensa> heh.... I don't even know who is lead of California <bkerensa> ;) <MarkDude> lol <MarkDude> there are 3 <bkerensa> oh thats right you have a council structure <MarkDude> A triumvirate <bkerensa> I think CA and UK are the only two LoCo's that have that <bkerensa> :P * MarkDude was a big supporter of that style <MarkDude> Since Cali is tooo big for one lead\ <MarkDude> Norcal, Socal, etc <bkerensa> well maybe if enough people start attending meetings and stuff *cough* we could have some elections in the future and I wont have to be sabdfl of oregon <MarkDude> 1 lead from each part- and one bonus lead <bkerensa> welll nathwill is asst team lead so I guess we technically have two <bkerensa> :D <MarkDude> Uh, you dont just say that people need to follow sir <MarkDude> You are both a kind and welcoming lead <MarkDude> NY is hte crazy team <MarkDude> they have bylaws and all sorts of structured rules <bkerensa> MarkDude: Yeah but they are also a non-profit too right? <MarkDude> idk <bkerensa> I think MA LoCo is also a non-profit <MarkDude> I know I stole their headers for both Oregon and Washington <bkerensa> I know most of the european LoCo's have bank accounts and such which to me is just nonsense <MarkDude> They were ok with it <bkerensa> lol <MarkDude> And changed the colors of course <bkerensa> MarkDude: GeekNic as soon as the good weather comes <MarkDude> Good deal * bkerensa will try and herd all the various UG's and groups to get involved <MarkDude> No doubt <MarkDude> Oh, you can talk to Grover also <bkerensa> likely wont be in Portland though...... Portland charges hefty permit fees for even small scale gatherins <bkerensa> well I better go and try to interview someone from Ubuntu France <bkerensa> :P <MarkDude> have fun <bkerensa> MarkDude: I think they are sleeping :D no idea what the time zones are in France :P <bkerensa> or perhaps not <bkerensa> <Sp4rKy> bkerensa: contacte le par messae prive plutot que ici * MarkDude is really proud of himself for not making French jokes <MarkDude> really proud * bkerensa changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-or to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Oregon Local Community (LoCo) Team! | Webpage: http://ubuntu-oregon.org (has links to mailing list, forum, and more!) | Next meeting is TBD | This channel is publicly scottashley@example.org | Happy Holidays! <blkperl> adam_g: looks like the debian installer can't find dependencies <blkperl> one of the errors is multiarch support is not installed o.O <adam_g> blkperl: for what? <blkperl> lots of various base packages <blkperl> its wierd that it worked last night and fails today <blkperl> the majority of errors are multiarch support not installed <blkperl> because it installed multiarch support somewhere in the middle... <blkperl> softwarecenter.db.update failed to install dbus... <blkperl> adam_g: bug 415812 <lubotu1> Launchpad bug 415812 in pkgsel (Ubuntu) ""Select and install software" failed on install of Alternate Daily Build-(K)ubuntu" [Undecided,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/415812 <blkperl> similar to what im experiencing <adam_g> blkperl: oh, you mean your netboot install is failing/ <blkperl> adam_g: yes #ubuntu-us-or 2011-12-08 <adam_g> blkperl: server or desktop? <blkperl> adam_g: desktop <bkerensa> :D <adam_g> blkperl: oh, no idea then. :) make sure whatever you're booting is up to date with whats on th archive (ie, mini.iso), especially if its the development release <blkperl> adam_g: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/86928444/syslog <blkperl> its today's daily build <c_smith> heyo <Bkerensa-iPhone> Hi <bkerensa> hi c_smith <blkperl> good morning everyone <kees> \o <bkerensa> kees: Your in the news <bkerensa> ;0 <bkerensa> minus a comma even <kees> bkerensa: I am? <bkerensa> kees: Well kinda :) Your mentioned on OMG! Ubuntu! and on Fridge <bkerensa> :P <bkerensa> so is slangasek * kees looks <bkerensa> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/12/ubuntu-12-04-development-update-7/ <kees> ah-ha! neat :) <slangasek> oh noes, there's a link to the video too <slangasek> so I'm in the news and on tv <kees> heh <kees> bkerensa: did you end up with a multi-arch patch for libcapi20-3? I see your name next to it still in the BSP wiki <slangasek> libcapi20-3 is built from isdnutils which is a horror show ;) <slangasek> I didn't un-claim it for him when we moved on to a different lib <kees> ah-ha, okay. * kees wonders about all the other claimed packages <slangasek> I was going to try to track them down yet to find out if they have patches for submitting <slangasek> but none of the remaining ones made it to the BTS as bugs yet <kees> okay <bkerensa> hey nathwill :) #ubuntu-us-or 2011-12-09 * bkerensa needs to find a good spot for Sushi and Beer today <kees> I've been meaning to try http://maps.google.com/maps/place?cid=11403904978339076314&q=Saburo's+Sushi+House+Restaurant&dtab=2&ie=UTF8&ll=45.473404,-122.64287&spn=0.010548,0.022552&t=m&z=16&vpsrc=6 <bkerensa> kees: Wow thats off the beaten path <kees> depends on the path :) <bkerensa> kees: Well I'm in SW PDX (I think they call my area Far South West even) <bkerensa> I go downtown for foods sometimes but thats pushing it (almost a hour trip to downtown) * kees nods <kees> I drive past that place all the time and there's always a huge line outside. <bkerensa> hmm <bkerensa> kees: Have you ever went to Portland City Grill? I was considering going there Friday for a special occasion <kees> I havne't been there; heard good things, though. <kees> for special occasions, I'm addicted to Andina #ubuntu-us-or 2011-12-10 <bkerensa> Wow http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/12/linux-mint-swap-banshee-affiliate-code-take-100-of-profits/ <blkperl> so how do i make chroot environment? <bkerensa> :D <bkerensa> blkperl: Depends on what you wanna make it on? Cloud or your own laptop? <MarkDude> bkerensa, I was just thinking about it <MarkDude> IF I had to call one person- to see what the deal was in tech- or foss <MarkDude> Like in a rumor, or developing stuff <MarkDude> I would call you <MarkDude> Since you know stuff <MarkDude> True. <MarkDude> And you know I have other tech folks number in my phone ;) <kees> blkperl: see wiki.debian.org/mk-sbuild <bkerensa> MarkDude: Heh the only stuf I know is what is available to me in feed :) <bkerensa> Netvibes for the win <MarkDude> Ok, well <MarkDude> In other words, you are well informed <MarkDude> case closed. <MarkDude> Much of my info is from Twit network <MarkDude> And maybe 404 podcast from cnet <bkerensa> MarkDude: I need to re-add 404 <bkerensa> :D #ubuntu-us-or 2011-12-11 <bkerensa> :D <bkerensa> blkperl: Your connection is failwhale <bkerensa> :D <blkperl> bkerensa: that was on purpose, i was modifying my irssi config <blkperl> since my primary irc server was getting upgraded anyways <bkerensa> blkperl: :) <blkperl> bkerensa: are you coming to the cabling party at freegeek tomorrow? <bkerensa> blkperl: I wish I could but tomorrow I will be at a corporate holiday party out of town <blkperl> aww <bkerensa> blkperl: http://www.iamwellspring.com/ <bkerensa> thats where I will be <bkerensa> eating alaskan salmon, steak and all kinds of other yummy stuff and oh a bar :) * bkerensa also has to listen to talk about taxes and the economy and consumer finance <bkerensa> :P <bkerensa> from 3pm to 7pm <blkperl> mmm salmon++ <bkerensa> blkperl: Yeah.... I was hoping for something other than Salmon.... It's for my fiancee's company.... They had the same thing last year <bkerensa> :P <bkerensa> luckily their CTO and Lead Sysadmin are Ubuntu folks so I will be in good company <blkperl> you can't beat alaskan salmon though <bkerensa> blkperl: I would trade some Pho for Salmon any day of the week <bkerensa> :D <bkerensa> I will be in a place in a week in a half where you can catch salmon with your hands the size of a baseball bat <blkperl> ooww bring me back some? :) <bkerensa> LOL <bkerensa> :D <bkerensa> blkperl: You can get them in the rivers and creeks in Northern California and Southern Oregon <bkerensa> :D <bkerensa> weee <bkerensa> :D #ubuntu-us-or 2011-12-12 <goddard> hey <c_smith> hello <bkerensa> hi #ubuntu-us-or 2011-12-13 <Brian_H_> bkerensa: you have the dell 15z right? <bkerensa> 14z <bkerensa> :D <bkerensa> Brian_H: Why did you get one? <Brian_H_> no not yet, one of our guys got the 15z and the headphones don't work :( <Brian_H_> this is on oneiric so its kinda dissapointing :( <bkerensa> Brian_H: Yep <bkerensa> :D <bkerensa> LOL <bkerensa> There is a reason for that <Brian_H_> any mad hax to fix it? <bkerensa> LOL <bkerensa> Yes <Brian_H_> feel like dropping some pro tips ? <bkerensa> let me search the archives in my brain and remember how I sorted that <Brian_H_> lol <bkerensa> ok <bkerensa> so <Brian_H_> I'm thinking passing something in alsa-base.conf <Brian_H_> just not sure what <bkerensa> Exactly <bkerensa> let me remember it should be the same <bkerensa> so let me check mine <Brian_H_> f yea :D <bkerensa> Brian_H <bkerensa> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure <bkerensa> but let me grab mine <Brian_H_> holy crap <Brian_H_> lol <bkerensa> http://paste.ubuntu.com/768526/ <bkerensa> thats what my alsa-base looks like <Brian_H_> diffing now <bkerensa> Brian_H: Has he had a look at alsamixer <Brian_H_> thanks for the links :) <bkerensa> Yeah <bkerensa> Brian_H: Please if you remember which step it is let me know <bkerensa> so that I can jot that down somewhere <Brian_H_> nope its the exact same :( <bkerensa> because each time I format I have to repeat that step but I forget which one does the magic trick <bkerensa> ok <bkerensa> uhh <bkerensa> try this <bkerensa> enable propose repos <bkerensa> and sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade <bkerensa> I think it pulls a newer package <Brian_H_> alsa or pulse? <Brian_H_> gotta have some constraint as we need the laptop to work :p <bkerensa> Brian_H: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1469949 <bkerensa> try that also <bkerensa> alsa would be the issue <Brian_H_> ok going to try fix <Brian_H_> I'll report back : <Brian_H_> :) <bkerensa> k <Brian_H_> ok well it seems that adding his user to the audio group fixed it <Brian_H_> this cached credentials stuff its tricky <bkerensa> odd <bkerensa> Brian_H: Considered poss reporting as a bug? <bkerensa> Brian_H: Saw your friend Shawn last night <bkerensa> :D <Brian_H_> its not a bug though :/ we do ldap+cached credentials <Brian_H_> so the users not by default added to the local system grpus <Brian_H_> which is probably by design <Brian_H_> our system is not really a cookie cutter setup <bkerensa> ahh :) <bkerensa> Yeah saw Shawn and corp party last night.... he said he wants to come to future stuff they apparently had to pull a 58 hour straight migration on the global jam <Brian_H_> damn doesn't sound very well planned :p <bkerensa> heh <Brian_H_> bkerensa: do you have a nvidia card in your laptop? <bkerensa> Brian_H: I think mine is the stock Intel GPU unfortunately <Brian_H_> ahhh well thats better for you :p they are doing some hybrid graphics sharing crap now :/ <Brian_H_> though I was getting nvidia, but I got some balanced junk <bkerensa> heh <bkerensa> Brian_H: You ever use Kickstarter before? I just backed a Linux Game project on there today <c_smith> hello <bkerensa> Man I love this SME Multi-Cloud <bkerensa> :D <bkerensa> hi c_smith * bkerensa slaps thefinn93 around a bit with a large trout #ubuntu-us-or 2011-12-14 <c_smith> yo <bkerensa> hi c_smith <bkerensa> Good Morning Brian_H_ <Brian_H_> howdy <Brian_H_> finally got my ganeti cluster working :) <bkerensa> Brian_H_: Cool.. <bkerensa> Brian_H_: I got my first post on OMG! Ubuntu! :) <Brian_H_> OMG! <Brian_H_> :) <bkerensa> heh <bkerensa> Brian_H_: Are you in the office already? <Brian_H_> heck yea I am <bkerensa> Brian_H: Thats too much..... Its not even 8am yet <Brian_H_> lol nah <Brian_H_> gotta work hard <c_smith> hey <c_smith> anyone here? <edunham> c_smith: mostly lurkers <c_smith> ah, ok <bkerensa> hi <c_smith> hello <c_smith> bkerensa, doesn't look like there was a QA with Jono. <c_smith> bkerensa, have you checked out the Humble Bundles yet? <bkerensa> c_smith: I dont much like those types of games <bkerensa> c_smith: Jono is on vacation according to my calendar #ubuntu-us-or 2011-12-15 <bkerensa> tgm4883: What have you been up to? <bkerensa> :D <Wonnenangshonat> Greetings <bkerensa> slangasek & kees: I think me and the lady might migrate to Paleo in January... Doing research now and getting books <Wonnenangshonat> Hows it going bkerensa <kees> bkerensa: ah, very cool! it can be scottashley@example.org. feel free to use me to bounce ideas/troubles off of if you want. <slangasek> bkerensa: great :) as kees says, the transition can be a little rough, but all the science and anecdotal data is on your side :) <bkerensa> kees: Thanks! Yeah still in research phase to make sure this is something we can commit to for the long term. I think the hardest thing is going to be replacing Lunches for Jenn at work since she takes sandwiches (No more bread or cheese) and then replacing common snacks <bkerensa> kees: I noticed at the Jam that there was cheese and processed meats? :) <kees> bkerensa: yeah, ditching sandwiches (as a way of thinking about mobile food) is kind of a trick. for mobile lunches, I have tended to do something like chicken & greens in a tupperware container. <kees> bkerensa: the big change, frankly, is the increase in food prep time. but I think it's a sum-win over the increase in energy levels ;) <kees> bkerensa: as for milk products, this seems to be very different from person to person. some people are extremely sensitive to milk (it triggers a strong insulin response), some less so. <bkerensa> kees: So in a Paleo cookbook we found a potato stew but on other lists were seeing potatoes black listed <kees> bkerensa: my wife can't have any, and I seem to do fine with some cheese scattered around as topping, etc. <kees> bkerensa: yeah, it depends on who you want to pay attention to. I avoid potatoes completely. tried doing yams for a while, but even that seems like too much for me. <kees> bkerensa: I'm less about following a specific paleo thing than just trying to hack my physiology. it happens that paleo/primal diets seem the best match to what studies have actually shown as being good long-term. <kees> bkerensa: frankly, just eliminating sugar/grain/cereals/juice is enough work. I like to think of it as a series of steps. <kees> e.g., I ditched milk itself at the onset (I think that had a big effect), but kept cheese. then about a year into it, tried ditching cheese entirely, and it didn't seem to do anything. <bkerensa> kees: Do you know of people who drink any non-soda beverages on paleo diet? Like Cascade Ice? <kees> that's why I try to be really data-driven; it's hard to measure the effect of this stuff because it's so slow-moving. <bkerensa> Some of these guides seem horrible strict while others seem to give room to wiggle <bkerensa> :D * kees looks up cascade ice. my wife and I drink trader joe's lemon sparkling water thing <kees> basically I avoid any sweeteners. <kees> so, I'd probably avoid cascade ice. <bkerensa> Hmm <bkerensa> http://cascadeicewater.com/blog/2011/02/29/ <bkerensa> I found that by a paleo dieter <bkerensa> :D <kees> bkerensa: I think that it's worth being really strict for like a month, just to be able to measure what that looks like for the person, and then see where you wanted wiggle room <kees> I'd say water > cascade ice > soda, so go for it if it means ditching the soda. :) <kees> I've found for myself that artificial sweeteners still have an insulin response in me, but other people are less sensitive. <kees> I think that grains and sugar are the real killers, though. <kees> a book I liked for giving a reasonable plan for a "primal" lifestyle was Primal Blueprint. <kees> http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/ <- the author's site has a lot of interesting details <kees> and while removal of sugar/grain is important, I think _adding_ good animal fat is important too. eggs, grass-fed beef, chicken, etc. <bkerensa> kees: I will be honest we have been looking at a handful of diets to see whats going to work best <kees> bkerensa: yeah, a smart approach. <bkerensa> I'm a fan of the Paleo because it cuts out all the bad stuff but Jenn she is a little concerned about being able to stick to it <bkerensa> she is afraid if she isnt able to stick to it that I wont be able to and it will be a fail <bkerensa> :D <kees> as long as you don't avoid fat, paleo can work. <bkerensa> kees: I love fat <bkerensa> :D <kees> trying to do "low fat" along with paleo is a disaster because you're just starving yourself. :) <kees> me too! meat & eggs wheee <bkerensa> kees: I think we are looking at Paleo, Biggest Loser, South Beach, Atkins and one other <bkerensa> :D <kees> I think that while atkins has some benefits, I think it's lack of focus on food quality ultimately causes it to fail. * kees doesn't know the details of Biggest Loser. * kees looks quickly <kees> ah, yeah, it's a "low fat, low calories" diet. I think that should be seriously avoided. <kees> calorie restriction isn't useful when there are still lots of carbs in the picture. <kees> read through the Taubes book if you haven't already; you'll be convinced. ;) <bkerensa> kees: So last question for now.... Can we keep cheese? <bkerensa> :D <kees> bkerensa: given everything else you're ditching, I'd keep it for now. <bkerensa> :D <kees> bkerensa: that said, be aware of its use. some people are crazy-sensitive to it. <bkerensa> kees: What is this sensitivity you talk about? Is this something that happens on the paleo diet? <bkerensa> My big concern right now is I need to reduce my blood glucose levels :D <kees> bkerensa: I just mean that it depends on your body's ability to process milk products. I wouldn't worry about it right now (unless you're drinking lots of milk). cheese should be fine for the near-term. ditching the bad carbs will have the biggest impact. I'd worry about tweaking stuff in like a year. <kees> just getting menu plans sane without grains/cereals is hard enough. <bkerensa> kees: Yeah my doc at OHSU e-mailed me this last night "What I would recommend at this point is aggressive lifestyle modification. This includes avoiding simple sugars (sweets, soda, juice, white bread, white rice, white pasta and potatoes.) You don't need to cut out carbohydrates completely but replace the above with complex carbohydrates in small portions (whole grain bread/pasta, brown rice). " <kees> bkerensa: yeah. if you want a sensible plan to follow, I liked Primal Blueprint. it includes sensible goals and example menus. <kees> bkerensa: but read the Taubes book(s) too; those will blow your mind. :) <bkerensa> kk <kees> like seriously, you will think the world has gone crazy after reading Taubes. ;) #ubuntu-us-or 2011-12-16 <tgm4883> Anyone work at the salem hospital or chemeketa? * tgm4883 is planning on applying for a few jobs tomorrow <kees> tgm4883: ohai! <kees> tgm4883: I don't know anyone there, but I didn't realize you were in OR :) <tgm4883> kees, yep <tgm4883> kees, You're up in portland right? * kees nods <tgm4883> kees, sweet <tgm4883> I'm down in salem <tgm4883> I work in Eugene though, which is why I'm applying for Jobs in Salem <shannonlucas> Ack. Do you have to drive that or do you telecommute? <tgm4883> drive <shannonlucas> Argh <tgm4883> it's about 50 minutes each day <tgm4883> err <tgm4883> each way <bkerensa> tgm4883: Did you ever get your Ubuntu Biz Cards? <bkerensa> Mine should be arriving sometime today <tgm4883> bkerensa, I never ordered any <tgm4883> FWIW, I never have received a Ubuntu mag from that event <tgm4883> I have not received all the things <bkerensa> tgm4883: You mean the Linux Journal? That was the only thing that was given away that was not give on-site <bkerensa> ... <bkerensa> odd ok I will follow up with Linux Journal because they asked for the info and I passed it on to them months ago <bkerensa> tgm4883: I just pinged their associate publisher asking what is up ;) thanks for letting me know I had assumed everyone who won had already started getting their issues. #ubuntu-us-or 2011-12-17 <blkperl> slangasek: did we settle on a date and time for your presentation? :) <blkperl> bkero: would you like to present on $topic as well? :) <blkperl> i know you speak well and you can't hide from me :P <bkero> eh? <bkero> blkperl: im speaking on what now? <blkperl> i need presenters for PSU ACM <bkero> oh <bkero> sure <bkero> i can prsent <bkero> present <blkperl> what would you like to talk about? <c_smith> bkero=bkerensa? <blkperl> no <bkero> no. <c_smith> k <bkero> no <bkero> no <c_smith> anywho, how is everyone? <blkperl> bkero: want to give the ssh talk? <bkero> blkperl: is that good enough? <blkperl> yea the audience is undergraduate students :P_ <bkero> that wasnt really a talk <bkero> but i can do it <blkperl> that no nothing about ssh/unix * c_smith listens to Disturbed while considering what media player to actually install <blkperl> unless you have another awesome thing you want to talk about? <bkero> nah thats fine <bkero> as long as they know what a terminal is <blkperl> hopefully they know what a terminal is :) <bkero> i dont have much faith in cs students <c_smith> *ahem* I may not have even gotten into college, but I still know a what ssh is...... >.> I may not know all the commands for it, but I know how to ssh to a desktop and open gui apps through it. <bkero> so when am i talking? <bkero> c_smith: you being on irc sets you apart automatically <blkperl> name a friday in january or febuary and its yours :) <c_smith> >.< ffffuuuuu!!!!!! <bkero> blkperl: im gone jan 13 to jan28 <blkperl> c_smith: yeah your already because you here <bkero> and half of feb <blkperl> s/you/your <bkero> you're <blkperl> bkero: so feb ?? <c_smith> anywho, is there anything important I should have been on earlier for that I should know of? or was it another uneventful day? <blkperl> s/your/you're :) <bkero> feb would work <blkperl> what week ? <bkero> i dunno yet <blkperl> ok ill ask again in jan <bkero> im gonna be gone 2 weeks in london, but i dont know which 2 weeks yet :L <bkero> yea <blkperl> london...jealous <bkero> spinning up a new moz office <bkero> i should write a talk about open sourcing your it infra's work/setup <bkero> like post-yer-shit-to-github etc <c_smith> ok, bkero, who exactly are you to the Oregon Team? I'm just curious. <c_smith> sorry if I came across rude there, but had no other way to word it offhand. <bkero> c_smith: im a local tech user, ppa owner, and resident troll <bkero> i use my troll status as qualification for it B) <c_smith> cool, like I said, sorry if I came across as rude, it's late for me, so I'm not exactly at my brightest. <bkero> i dont care, its fine * c_smith goes back to monitoring #ubuntu and offering any help he can offer <blkperl> bkero: oow i want to hear that speech <bkero> blkperl: the troll speech? <blkperl> the opensource your infrastructure <bkero> oh yea <bkero> i wonder if i could get it accepted at some conferences <blkperl> do it <blkperl> for osbridge <bkero> ok <bkero> when is osbridge? <blkperl> june? * bkerensa is going to do another talk at CLS <bkerensa> I like unconf better <slangasek> blkperl: no, we haven't settled; I had asked when you needed me to have decided if I could do the talk, and you didn't answer ;) <blkperl> slangasek: can you decide by jan? :) <slangasek> yes :) * bkerensa has to figure out how to get out to WOU next month to do a presentation on Ubuntu <bkerensa> :D <bkero> drive? <bkerensa> bkero: I take public trans <bkerensa> I will just get a ride out and back :) #ubuntu-us-or 2011-12-20 <c_smith> bkerensa, I have a question regarding desktop gfx cards if I may ask. <c_smith> or is there a place I could ask about whether Nvidia or ATI are more recommended? <tgm4883> c_smith, traditionally, nVidia <c_smith> tgm4883, thanks <c_smith> now to install Precise. <c_smith> going to format even my /home partition to get a clean slate. #ubuntu-us-or 2011-12-21 <bkerensa> Hello All <bkerensa> c_smith: #Ubuntu and Ubuntu Forums are always available for those support questions if nobody is available in channel <c_smith> heya, thefinn93! you on break for Christmas? <bkerensa> slangasek: Do you know anything about this http://paste.ubuntu.com/777805/ <bkerensa> :D <slangasek> bkerensa: sure, those are the remaining libs that have to be fixed for multiarch :) <bkerensa> :( <slangasek> ia32-libs is not usable on precise until those are fixed <bkerensa> heh <bkerensa> :) <slangasek> but it's a pretty short list now; I'm expecting to be done by the end of the year <bkerensa> slangasek: Next time we should do a two day jam <slangasek> ok :) <kees> hehe <kees> sooooo close <bkerensa> Hi MarkDude <bkerensa> I ping Jon and he said apps for OSCON open next month so I will put ours in then <bkerensa> :D <MarkDude> Good deal. I can write an appeal from Fedora if needed. <MarkDude> Ubuntu needs a table there. <bkerensa> MarkDude: That can be last ditch effort ;) <bkerensa> I will launch a social media campaign last minute if things dont work out best :) <MarkDude> Well at one point RH was willing to re-imburse me for thd money I spent shipping the Ubuntu media last year ;) <MarkDude> year before <bkerensa> the simple guaranteed way seems to just nudge Jono :) <MarkDude> True. <bkerensa> I mean valorie will be coming from WA for the booth <bkerensa> maybe others <MarkDude> yokozar was willing to help <bkerensa> its not just a loco booth.... Its a community booth :) <MarkDude> Scott Ritchie of wine <MarkDude> MArk S might help too <bkerensa> lol <bkerensa> :P <bkerensa> good luck with the last one <bkerensa> MarkDude: Will I see you at UDS? <bkerensa> http://uds.ubuntu.com/ <bkerensa> its going to be in Oakland <bkerensa> heh <MarkDude> Hell yes <MarkDude> yay <kees> oh neat, I'll probably attend that. <bkerensa> Yeah me too <bkerensa> :D <bkerensa> although Oakland is a odd spot <tgm4883> Oakland? <bkerensa> LOL * tgm4883 wonders if we should all bring handguns then <bkerensa> tgm4883: Yes.... :) we will do walks through east oakland to tour the ghetto <MarkDude> YEs <MarkDude> HAndguns <MarkDude> Also ypour medical card <bkerensa> heh <kees> *snicker* <tgm4883> it will be one of the requirements <MarkDude> Since it is also called Oaksterdam <MarkDude> And dont wear red- or blue <MarkDude> May get you shot <bkerensa> anytime I dont spend at UDS will be spent at Baker Beach <bkerensa> :D <tgm4883> remember to bring: laptop, power cable, handgun (minimum .45 caliber), extra ammo <MarkDude> And rememebr- if someone asks you <MarkDude> Where you from? _Its a gng thing- DONT ANSWER <MarkDude> gang <kees> tgm4883: aw, 45s are so clunky <MarkDude> At least semi-automatic <MarkDude> IMHO <kees> okay, I can roll with that <bkerensa> tgm4883: You going to aim to go? <tgm4883> bkerensa, possibly <bkerensa> heh <bkerensa> So on Friday I will likely be migrating 13 sites over AT&T 3G while in-route to California <bkerensa> :D <bkerensa> whats the worst that could go wrong :D <MarkDude> ATT is bullet proof <MarkDude> no issues seen #ubuntu-us-or 2011-12-22 <nathwill> gah <nathwill> where the hell does the firewall fall in the in networking stack <nathwill> it's got to be above transport layer, no? <bkerensa> Seeya all.... I'm headed to California :) well tomorrow morning but no more IRC :) <MarkDude> You are going to be north of me? #ubuntu-us-or 2011-12-28 <bkerensa> found a bug in update-manager :D * bkerensa pokes c_smith #ubuntu-us-or 2011-12-29 <bkerensa> slangasek: A debian maintainer replied to my multiarch bug report <bkerensa> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=651029 <lubotu1`> Debian bug 651029 in src:audiofile "Please enable multiarch/hardening" [Normal,Open] <bkerensa> what exactly is he asking? <kees> bkerensa: moritz is just pointing out that by doing compat level 9, it would gain compiler hardening flags too (a good thing, and another release goal) <bkerensa> kees: ahh :) <bkerensa> #startmeeting blah <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Dec 29 09:08:57 2011 UTC. The chair is bkerensa. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired <bkerensa> #endmeeting <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Dec 29 09:09:03 2011 UTC. <meetingology> Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-us-or/2011/ubuntu-us-or.2011-12-29-09.08.moin.txt #ubuntu-us-or 2011-12-30 <c_smith> hiya <bkerensa> hi c_smith * bkerensa changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-or to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Oregon Local Community (LoCo) Team! | Webpage: http://ubuntu-oregon.org (has links to mailing list, forum, and more!) | Next meeting is TBD | This channel is publicly scottashley@example.org | LoCo Approval Application Being Prepared by bkerensa * bkerensa changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-or to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Oregon Local Community (LoCo) Team! | Webpage: http://ubuntu-oregon.org (has links to mailing list, forum, and more!) | IRC Meeting 2nd Sunday of Every Month @ 7pm | This channel is publicly scottashley@example.org | LoCo Approval Application Being Prepared by bkerensa <bkerensa> =o #ubuntu-us-or 2011-12-31 * MarkDude was at the OSCON Ubuntu booth, as an Oregon member * MarkDude had resigned from Cali team at that time <MarkDude> 2010 is key <MarkDude> Fedora asked me to help with their booth * MarkDude said nope. Need to do footwork to help Oregon <MarkDude> Fedora gave a blessing <slangasek> bkerensa: I'm puzzled by your latest post - do you really mean to say that the number of people showing up to the IRC meeting would affect the LoCo's approval? <MarkDude> slangasek, there is a VERY arbitrary nature to local team approval <MarkDude> ALL sorts of stuff can factor in * MarkDude had a few hassles regarding logging of this channel (and others) there may be some residue of that still <MarkDude> There are nearly as many people in this irc channel as in Cali <MarkDude> From the start - I tried to explain to council that the PNW was differnet than most places. Mainly being independent. They consider irc meetings very important, some more so than *in person* * MarkDude can say this for sure. Knowing this is a logged channel. If the Oregon Team is not approved in a simple straight forward manner.... * MarkDude will freak the hell out <MarkDude> Nicely of course. But, I don't think it will be needed. Councils like to do their job, every so often people get too excited. <c_smith> bkerensa, may I get some help with naming an email to Ethan about the SLUG? hopefully I got the person correct.... <c_smith> also, hopefully the Ubuntu LoCo LoCo approval. <bkerensa> slangasek: Unfortunately yes I was informed by pleia2 that I should try and have as many as possible show up.... <bkerensa> <pleia2> aaand I would suggest having other members of the team attend the approval meeting, you're a very out-there person so it may seem like you're the only active member of the team, they loco council will want to see that there are other members around <bkerensa> c_smith: I'm not sure I understand what you mean by naming a e-mail? and yes if you want to post about our applying for approval that would be great <bkerensa> slangasek: Like MarkDude said the whole "approval" process is a bit odd in my opinion and other LoCo leads have expressed the same.... I mean if you form a regional based group for other FOSS projects you dont have to apply really or go through any hoops <slangasek> bkerensa: I think *requiring* central approval for recognized status is consistent with Ubuntu culture in other areas; as for the particular criteria being used, well, this one at least seems a little odd :) * MarkDude a start to his zombie comic book. Anyone brave enough to look at it? <MarkDude> Nothing NSFW or too sketchy <kees> sure! <MarkDude> https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/105095769731159704550/albums/5692031109692390289 <MarkDude> ZOMBIES <bkerensa> slangasek: I think the idea is they want to make sure there are enough people actually contributing to the loco and Ubuntu project versus just showing up to some events for food and swag now and then <bkerensa> But I have reviewed the LoCo Council's logs for a few sessions and they do seem to be pretty stern when it comes to the process and asking who is involved <bkerensa> I think using the word "Approved" versus something else is perhaps a bit counter-productive since there are so many LoCo's that are unapproved that do lots of good things <MarkDude> bkerensa, consider freeGeek <MarkDude> They could be there own Local Team <MarkDude> they do more installs than just about anyone <MarkDude> They chose not to <MarkDude> they thought there was too much red-tape <MarkDude> It has gotten much better and easier , IMHO <bkerensa> MarkDude: I don't know that FreeGeek
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