#ubuntu-gnome 2012-12-01 <JND|2> Hello folks. <JND|2> sorry for the bother but I have a couple of questions. <JND|2> I'm a professional programmer, but dumb questions to arise. <JND|2> For the 12.10 remix, which download do I take? I have a spanking new lenovo C30 high-end intel chips, all 64bit. <JND|2> Its a workstation but I'll load the ubuntu desktop so I have an interface. <JND|2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ReleaseNotes/12.10 <JND|2> I read 'Desktop CD for 64-bit PC computers...' and 'Desktop CD for PC (Intel x86 compatible) computers' <atrus> JND|2: how much ram do you have? <JND|2> there's also the hyphen filenames, ubuntu-gnome-xxx-desktop-amd64 or -desktop-i386. <JND|2> 8GB <JND|2> and may expand in the future to 16 <atrus> you probably want 64bit (same thing as amd64) <JND|2> I do want 64 bit, certainly. <atrus> what's the question exactly then? <jbicha> 'AMD64' is just because AMD was the company that created that architecture; Intel uses the same thing <JND|2> I didn't know which binary to take. You've answered: amd64. <atrus> that does get confusing <jbicha> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64 <JND|2> I see, right, they have their architecture agreement for 30 yrs ago or so <JND|2> nice wiki reminder. <JND|2> another question: is there a usb stick install from the windows dropdown? <JND|2> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows <JND|2> this spanking new computer is running windows, until I annihilate it (shortly) <JND|2> a final question -- I've seen some chatter about virtualbox not working well on ubuntu 12.10. Any comments here about it? <jbicha> I believe VirtualBox needs more work before it supports Ubuntu 12.10 as a guest very well <JND|2> jbicha: I see, ok. <JND|2> I love VB, its an essential tool bc there are some programs that just run on (yikes!) windows. <JND|2> For instance, WinEdt for latex, which is the best. Its only on windows. I've written them many many times over the years, but they will not write a linux or mac version. <JND|2> I think they're too tied to their gui, too tightly coupled. <JND|2> pity <jbicha> for tex, you could try texmaker or texstudio which are in the Ubuntu repositories <Guest35445> I've written a book, book-length lecture notes, etc. <Guest35445> that winedt manages projects seamlessly is a big advantage. <Guest35445> yeah, I don't see remix in the ubuntu windows installer dropdown. <Guest35445> Just fyi. <jbicha> could you post a screenshot? <Guest35445> http://www.winedt.com/ <Guest35445> if that's what you mean. <Guest35445> so, another dumb question. I'm downloading the amd64 torrent file for the remix. Its writing to my HD. Do I just copy this iso to the USB? Do I have to change the boot order or something ? <jbicha> I meant a screenshot of whatever installer you are using <Guest35445> got it. <jbicha> hmm, I don't know how to use pendrivelinux's tool <jbicha> basically you'll need to extract the iso to your USB flash drive and then make the flash drive bootable <Guest35445> thanks. how do I extract the iso? <jbicha> I'm not sure how best to do that from Windows <Guest35445> I'm sure I'll find a tool on the web for the extraction. <jbicha> you can extract the iso with something like 7-zip.org but you'll still need to figure out the bootable part <Guest35445> got it. ok, that's a help already. <jbicha> or you could just burn the iso image to a DVD <jbicha> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/burn-a-dvd-on-windows <Guest35445> rufus seems to have done the trick. <Guest35445> I'm going to reboot and install remix. See you on the other side. #ubuntu-gnome 2012-12-02 <JND314> hey, I've some install pbs. <JND314> I've tried to install ubuntu 12.10 remix amd64 both via usb and dvd. <JND314> I have a new lenovo C30 workstation, literally fresh out of the box. It had windows but I blew that away with my first install attempt. <JND314> The fundamental pb is that once remix is installed I cannot boot. <JND314> With the usb install, which I tried first, I ran all the boot-fix utils, but to no avail. <JND314> As I read in places that the ubuntu OS may have been installed right on my usb stick, I changed coarse and installed w/ a dvd. <JND314> both with usb and dvd the install proceeded fine, but all appearances. <JND314> currently 'drive 1' is on the top of the primary source grub list <JND314> clearly grub is falling through, past the dvd (which I removed) and hitting the network boot, which doesn't exist. <JND314> I've exhausted the possibilities that I know of, and/or have found via google. <jbicha> JND314: I'd recommend you try the regular Ubuntu DVD; then if you still have problems you can try support channels like #ubuntu or askubuntu.com <JND314> yeah, ok, working on that already. This hasn't been a regular pb then, is it. <JND314> one thing that I was baffled by: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2023086 <JND314> it says, "Please do not forget to make your EFI-BIOS boot on sda1/EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi file!" <JND314> well, that link is the complaint about the directions that say to do this. Does anyone in this chat know how to get grub to point to this file? <darkxst> JND314, does your machine have secure boot enabled? <JND314> I haven't enabled or disabled it explicitly. I can have a look, but I haven't touched this part. <JND314> I may be disconnected but I'll brb <JND3141> one point is that I've been electing to install with LVM. Perhaps I should not select this. <JND314> lvm isn't the pb <JND314> just reinstalled remix again, didn't select lvm. good install, removed disk when asked, rebooted -> grub did not find /dev/sda1 <JND314> installing ubuntu 12.10 (unity -- ugh!) now <JND314> ok -- confirmed. ubuntu 12.10 + lvm is a go. <JND314> rebooted the first time. <JND314> its the remix install that's horked for my lenovo c30. <darkxst> JND314, did you check if your system is using secure boot? <JND314> I've tried both the usb install (first) and then dvd. <JND314> well, hmmm... <JND314> like I said, I didn't check anything, like encryption. <JND314> if you let me know what to report when I'm in the bios config I'll let you know <JND314> (but I have unity on in now. at this point I can reinstall again to see) <darkxst> JND314, looks for an option 'secure boot' or similar <darkxst> (in bios) <JND314> ok, where? in the bios config ? <JND314> haha <JND314> crossed msgs. <darkxst> our image should work with secure boot enabled, however I don't think it was ever tested <JND314> bias version a1kt40aus, fyi <darkxst> JND314, anyway you can get to a mostly ubuntu gnome system via 'upgrade' instructions in release notes <JND314> ok -- in the bios security <JND314> hardware passwd enabled, current setting enabled. admin passwd no installed, power-on passwd not installed. <JND314> I haven't set the admin or power-on passwds <JND314> report pOP on restart -- no <darkxst> no thats not it <darkxst> nothing to do with passwords <JND314> ok. <JND314> I'm in 'security' in the bios config <darkxst> it probably in 'boot' section <JND314> fyi in 'startup' UEFI boot mode is auto <JND314> yeah, I just don't have an entry 'secure boot [enabled]' in my boot config pages. <darkxst> ok, maybe thats not the issue then <JND314> Just to report: brand id: ThinkStation C30, BIOS A1KT40AUS, firmware ver 2012/03/23.00, <JND314> thanks for helping. re the 'upgrade' instructions, they are in the ubuntu-gnome pages, or mainline ubuntu ? <JND314> I'm really dreading unity, been working on gnome 6 years. <JND314> would prefer to use this group's version. <darkxst> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ReleaseNotes/12.10 <jbicha> maybe that UEFI boot mode option <JND314> I was reading that samsung laptops got bricked w/ ubuntu 12.04. uefi pb. <darkxst> jbicha, but install should work fine with efi, especially if normal ubuntu works <darkxst> but sounds like the grub installer is not inserting the boot entry for some reason <JND314> thanks for the link, fyi #ubuntu-gnome 2012-12-03 <logavanc> Wow... less ppl here than I would have thought... <BearIBeer> Hello <BearIBeer> I have a question about totem on 12.04, how to let totem detect plugins dynamic? <BearIBeer> Now, totem detect a new plugin and install it automatically but seems only reboot the totem, it can detect the new plugin. #ubuntu-gnome 2012-12-06 <siganderson> hey, has anybody any problem with evolution saving passwords? I can't do it, as when mail authentication request window appears, click on cancel or accept doesn't have effect. In that moment to go back to the desktop I need to kill gnome-keyring-d! #ubuntu-gnome 2012-12-07 <droidmaxxx> hello... help guys.. <droidmaxxx> Ubuntu Gnome 3 screwed up 33ec:265c:71fe:e26d:2682:4ec2:aaa1:99ab( <smartboyhw> droidmaxxx, em what did you do before it screwed up? <droidmaxxx> hey smartboyhw <smartboyhw> Hello <droidmaxxx> smartboyhw one sec... let me type... please... help <smartboyhw> OK <droidmaxxx> I'm able to login to Gnome intstead of unity... but extension can't be installed... <droidmaxxx> I download that gnome3 via prepository first... big download and intstalled but it dint run... <droidmaxxx> via terminal it get installed but no change... and also doesn't show up in tweak tool extensions tab.. <droidmaxxx> via Firefox it doesn't get higlighted everything greyed out <droidmaxxx> no ON OFF switch to install <smartboyhw> !? <droidmaxxx> here some screenshots of my problem ---> http://imgur.com/a/B0kRL <smartboyhw> droidmaxxx, can't understand <droidmaxxx> some one said I installed gnome fallback... and I have to intall gnome shell for gnome3 how to do that? <smartboyhw> You want Gnome Shell OK <droidmaxxx> smartboyhw: which part were you not able to understand? <smartboyhw> droidmaxxx, which version? <droidmaxxx> yeah... I want gnome shell... but I actually installed Gnome3 from Ubuntu Software centre also... some 200MB downloaded <droidmaxxx> I don't no... which version.. :( settings info shows as just " Gnome" even tried to echo cmd... that also showed only "gnome" :( <smartboyhw> droidmaxxx, simple. Type `sudo apt-get install gnome-shell` in terminal <droidmaxxx> I got this <droidmaxxx> one sec... <droidmaxxx> hey this is what I got <droidmaxxx> http://imgur.com/r1PPw <smartboyhw> droidmaxxx, strange that means it is installed <droidmaxxx> yes... :( <droidmaxxx> that 200mb package from ubuntu software center... I downloaded as per online guides to itstall... <smartboyhw> droidmaxxx, next time: DON"T <droidmaxxx> hm... :( <droidmaxxx> then what do I do now... please help... <droidmaxxx> can you suggest some other lightweight low resource OS which can run fast on my netbook... <smartboyhw> droidmaxxx, if you want to, try Lubuntu. It runs on LXDE and is quite lightweight <droidmaxxx> what abt xbuntu? <droidmaxxx> Can you suggest something that runs Gnome?? <smartboyhw> droidmaxxx, uh slightly less lightweight then Lubuntu. However Xubuntu receives the highest praises:D <droidmaxxx> hmm... <droidmaxxx> for which can I get more apps?? <droidmaxxx> which one would be better for networking... coz I need to connect to my netbook to vpn for work... <smartboyhw> droidmaxxx, um can I query you? It is not best to talk about LXDE and Xfce while in a GNOME channel:P <droidmaxxx> lol :D <droidmaxxx> sure.. <jbicha> could someone runningg quantal+proposed verify bug 1078155 so that the update can go into quantal-updates ? <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1078155 in mutter (Ubuntu Quantal) "Update gnome-shell/mutter to 3.6.2" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1078155 <jbicha> oh and bug 1067933 too <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1067933 in mutter (Ubuntu Quantal) "Reloading shell with Alt-F2 r loses all workspaces but first 2" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1067933 <vooze> jbicha: have you figured out, what you are going to do with 13.04, Gnome 3.8 @ PPA or 3.6? <jbicha> vooze: it's too early for that decision <jbicha> but currently the plan is for Ubuntu 13.04 to include GNOME 3.6 <atrus> jbicha: what are you looking to have verified for 1078155? <jbicha> atrus: that it works and doesn't create noticeable new bugs, thanks for verifying :) <atrus> good good :) <atrus> it occurs to me now after testing that that I almost never use workspaces any more. <jbicha> bug 868423 proposed to turn workspaces off by default in Unity <ubot5> Launchpad bug 868423 in unity (Ubuntu) "Launcher - Workspace switcher should not be in the Launcher by default" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/868423 #ubuntu-gnome 2012-12-08 <The_Letter_M> Hello All #ubuntu-gnome 2012-12-09 <britt__> hey everyone <smartboyhw> Hello #ubuntu-gnome 2012-12-16 <atticus> hi guys <atticus> Im using 12.10_3.5.0-19-generic_x86_64_gdm:3.6.1. Just wanted to ask if it's a "feature" or a bug that gdm is ignoring instructions regarding automatic login? <atticus> is it gonna be fixed? #ubuntu-gnome 2012-12-17 <darkxst> atticus, automatic login should work. file a bug with `ubuntu-bug gdm` <darkxst> jbicha, added the patch for messagetray thing, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1088759 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1088759 in gnome-shell "Notifications are being displayed off-screen with gnome-shell l_3.6.2-0ubuntu3 due to git_messagetray_remove_tweens.patch" [Medium,Confirmed] #ubuntu-gnome 2012-12-19 <Usagiakumu> thank you for leaving Gnome as default as possible <Usagiakumu> I really appreciate it <Usagiakumu> cant wait for Gnome 3.7 or 3.8 to be included <Usagiakumu> please leave the color scheme default <Usagiakumu> not a fan of orange <Usagiakumu> in fact no matter what leave it always default gnome #ubuntu-gnome 2012-12-20 <treitter> does anyone know the names of the ubuntu-online-accounts packages? Is it just gnome-control-center-signon? #ubuntu-gnome 2012-12-21 <TDJACR> Since upgrading to Ubuntu 12.10 from 12.04, GNOME 3 is constantly freezing or crashing, which either requires a restart or a switch to a tty and a gnome-shell --replace. I tried upgrading GNOME using the official PPA, still same issue. Occurs on two computers, both with different graphics drivers. <darkxst> TDJCAR can you file a bug with backtraces <darkxst> provided they are actual crashes (i.e. segmentation faults etc) then you can just enable apport https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport <darkxst> then run 'ubuntu-bug gnome-shell' after the next crash <darkxst> TDJACR, ^ <darkxst> for freezes (i.e. you can still see panel etc, but completely locked up) then you need to grab backtraces with gdb #ubuntu-gnome 2012-12-23 <julia> hello <julia> hello guys, can you please help me? I try to build gnome shell with jhbuild build gnome-shell, but I don't know how I can fix the dependency for libicu <julia> I've already installed libicu-dev <ricotz> julia, libicu-dev in quantal is broken, you can use the package from raring https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/testing/+sourcepub/2836925/+listing-archive-extra <julia> yes I see <julia> thx <julia> ricotz, btw, I am gotwig, lol #ubuntu-gnome 2012-12-27 <nog> . <klingo> hello, is it possible to use yours modified fglrx drivers in existing ubuntu + gnome install ? #ubuntu-gnome 2012-12-28 <klingo> in case anybody knows a way, could email me at douglassanchez@example.org. thanx <ricotz> jbicha, hi :) <ricotz> jbicha, i hope you had and still have some nice holidays <ricotz> there are some minor things regarding gnome3-staging <ricotz> * dropping the autoreconf from gjs isn't intended and not wanted <ricotz> * g-s-extension probably should conflicts/replaces with gnome-session-fallback (<< 3.7.3) <jbicha> ricotz: autoreconf wasn't working right with the new gjs though <jbicha> I just uploaded a new gnome-session to the staging ppa with the 3.6.2-0ubuntu3 namechange <jbicha> and I'm out for the dayâ¦ #ubuntu-gnome 2012-12-31 <darkxst> jbicha, gnome3-team/staging basically supercedes ricotz/testing? correct? <darkxst> well apart from testing being git snapshots vs releases? #ubuntu-gnome 2013-12-01 <darkxst> ph, you want help out with packaging 3.11 for the ppa? <darkxst> ^want too <darkxst> ricotz, hi <darkxst> have given up on trying to make g-s-d work with old upower, going to push the new upower <darkxst> we already break other DE's so no big deal right? <ricotz> darkxst, hi, i see <ricotz> i somehow got the impression that this new upower might land in trusty <ricotz> did you talk to pitti if this might happen? <darkxst> ricotz, yeh spoke with pitti, not known yet, its one of those nice to have but not a priority thing <darkxst> given it breaks alot if not all dependencies by removing the stuff available in logind (suspend/hibernate etc) <darkxst> that said the changes required aren't huge, but the gnome guys have gone and done some major refactoring in g-s-d at the same time <ricotz> darkxst, ok, feel free to push it then if you are comfortable with it <darkxst> ricotz, will do, will also do my best to push for it to get into trusty, though a few of the rdepends are probably under the CLA, which I aint touching ;) <ph> darkxst, hey buddy - I just finished building ubuntu gnome 14.04, some base system packages and ran through the jhbuild setup script <ph> so where do I go from there to setup gnome-shell 3.11 via jhbuild ... <ph> I noticed in my .jhbuildrc it has moduleset = 'gnome-apps-3.10' should I override that in .jhbuildrc-custom and change it to 3.11? <ph> ricotz, hey dude are you online? <ph> darkxst, are you running 3.11.2 or 3.10.2? <Schrodinger`Cat> hey! <Schrodinger`Cat> i want to thanks all guys and ladies on the ubuntu-gnome team <Schrodinger`Cat> i'm usually a Kubuntu user, and i wanted to try gnome-shell, for this time i'm glad of the experience <prompt32> is there any way to assign an image to a folder (in order to view in icon view mode), programatically, i mean through a shell script ? <darkxst> ph_afk, its gnome-apps-3.12.modules <kantoquad> I was thinking about installing 13.10. has anyone trieds to upgrade to gnome 3.10? #ubuntu-gnome 2013-12-02 <ph> darkxst, hi ya - r u online? <ph> got a jhbuild error with webkit - it's looking for freetype.h in freetype/freetype.h but it's installed to freetype2/freetype.h should I change the script or ln freetype2 to freetype? <ph> darkxst, you here yet... ? <darkxst> ph, skip webkit <ph> darkxst, lol - i just got the build working now :P <darkxst> ph, you can just use the system webkit <darkxst> from trusty <ph> darkxst, ah ok... you know jhbuild sysdeps command... it shows that it can use alot of existing system apps and libs, but when running the build it doesn't appear to use them.... should I be commenting out those it can use in the moduleset .module file that I'm using? <ph> so that it's not being forced to build them... ? <darkxst> I think `jhbuild sysdeps --install `is broken on ubuntu (it doesn't actually install anything) <darkxst> you need to manually install <ph> ah ok <darkxst> also some things like webkit are always built by default <darkxst> but you can skip them in .jhbuildrc <ph> how do you skip them? <ph> darkxst, when i run jhbuild sysdeps |grep -i webkit - it says WebKit (webkitgtk-3.0.pc, required=2.3.2, installed=2.2.1) <ph> darkxst, are you running the g-s 3.11.2? <darkxst> hmm webkit should have been updated to 2.3 I thought <darkxst> ph, "skip = ['WebKit']" <darkxst> yeh I am running 3.11.2 <ph> darkxst, the steps I've done to build so far are install ubuntu gnome 14.04, base system apps, then run the introductory jhbuild script to install everything it needs, then i've configured jhbuild and run jhbuild build -aN. It failed at WebKit <darkxst> it will probably fail at a bunch of things! <ph> I don't have the staging ppa <ph> just the default g-s 3.8.2 that comes with u g 14.04 <ph> is that cool so far for the steps I've run? <darkxst> yeh <darkxst> gnome-shell 3.11.2 is on staging as of this morning <ph> what version of WebKit do you have installed? <ph> lol - well I wanted to get the jhbuild environment done anyways <darkxst> 2.2.1 <ph> ok cool - so if it works fine on yours with that then easiest is just to skip it then <darkxst> webkit shouldnt matter too much unless you are building epiphany <darkxst> as a first run, just skip any modules that fail, some really don't matter too much <darkxst> then try jhbuild buildone gnome-shell. and start building whatever it complains about <darkxst> things like e-d-s, cogl, clutter, mutter etc will be fairly important <ph> darkxst, ok cool thanks for the tip. Also is ccache enabled and used by jhbuild by default? <darkxst> I don't think so <darkxst> but generally you won't need to be building the full stack, so builds are usually pretty quick <ph> right ok good, so it's like the build is a one time thing and then it's just updating modules as required type thing? <darkxst> yeh, that is what I do <darkxst> although I don't build much beyond gnome-shell, g-s-d and g-c-c <ph> excellent... do you think you can give me some help patching g-s-d from this bug: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709859 <ubot5> Gnome bug 709859 in xsettings "text gets double-sized inappropriately on hidpi screen running below native resolution" [Normal,Assigned] <ph> specifically the disable scaling for hdmi outputs <ph> I want to see if that resolves my huge fonts issue <ph> by the way my .jhbuildrc-custom is using moduleset = gnome-world-3.12 and modules = meta-gnome-core-shell, is that basically what you're running? <darkxst> ph, use git bz <darkxst> goto the gnome-settings-daemon folder and run <darkxst> git bz apply 709859 <ph> oh wow - I never knew that existed :D <darkxst> (you might need to install the bz plugin for git) <darkxst> ph, how do you think the devs get their patches into the bugs? they don't manually attach them :) <ph> lol that's what i thought they did :P <ph> darkxst, so how do i build g-s-d again with jhbuild once i've patched it? <ph> darkxst, also I have a question - I like using guake but it relies on libglade which isn't installed in the system but has been built by jhbuild, how do I avoid guake wanting to install it in the system aswell? <ph> do i need to manually build guake, and then point it at the libs under myjhbuild install/ folder? <ph> or do I remove the libglade built by jhbuild, install it in the system and then jhbuild will use the system one? <ph> darkxst, so I'm avoiding duplication of apps and libs where possible... <darkxst> ph, it should use system lib, if you set it as skip and uninstall said lib from jhbuild <darkxst> patch, then: jhbuild buildone -afc gnome-settings-daemon <ph> darkxst, cool thanks for that - sorry was afk for a bit <ph> darkxst, libglade for example is a gnome library, or a linux library? <ph> also when running gnome-shell 3.11.2, if running things like gnome-tweak-tool from within the 3.11.2 shell, does that start the one built by jhbuild or the one that's installed in the system? ie do I need to update .desktop files to be running jhbuild run gnome-tweak-tool etc? <darkxst> it would launch the system installed one <darkxst> ph, glade is gnome <ph> darkxst, ok so basically all apps would need to be run via jhbuild, to use those downloaded and built by jhbuild yeah? <darkxst> yes <ph> But if running like g-s with jhbuild, and it needs to start another app, then it will run the jhbuild app or the system app? <ph> darkxst, I mean when running an app with jhbuild, it knows to pull in other apps and dependencies from the jhbuild environment? <darkxst> maybe, not entirely sure <ph> ah ok <darkxst> ph, would you be interested in helping with packaging of 3.11 for staging? <ph> darkxst, sure if I can <ph> just using like uupdate, and pbuilder? <darkxst> yeh <ph> yeah no probs <ph> but i'd only be able to package 64bit ... <darkxst> I would like to move the packaging back to bzr branches, but right now there are none, so uupdate/pbuilder <ph> or common <darkxst> ph, ppa builders deal with that, you are just testing by building locally <ph> ah ok cool - so it's just testing the 64bit, but it will still generate i386 packages as well depending on the commands to pbuilder? <darkxst> yes all ppa packages get built for amd64 and i386 <darkxst> archive packages also get ppc and arm64 <ph> ok - so I assume that i'd just be packaging the 3.11 packages i'm using? <darkxst> yes the tarballs <darkxst> uscan will grab them mostly (but sometimes have to edit debian/watch) <ph> only tarballs, so not packaging from git? <ph> as in master branch - just the releases only? <darkxst> generally yes, unless there is no tarball available, then we might use a git snapshot <ph> ok no worries :) <darkxst> ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/ <darkxst> ph, make sure to update all deps in control[.in] , (git log -p configure.ac, in the jhbuild folder is good for that) <darkxst> check NEWS for major changes etc... <ph> and once packaged where do I put them etc? and who makes the decisions about tarball/git snapshots? <darkxst> we would only use a git snapshot if there was no tarball released yet, but updated branch was required <darkxst> when ready take a debdiff of just the debian folder (debdiff ... | filterdiff "*/debian/*") <ph> ok, and the control.in part you just said what's that about exactly? <darkxst> sorry, filterdiff -i <darkxst> ph control/control.in specifies build and runtime dependencies and versions <darkxst> if upstream say they need gtk 3.11.2 for example, then you need to update that in the control file <ph> ok but the git command u said does that, or it's a manual process? <ph> <--- noob here <ph> I know how to package etc, but I've never packaged into a ppa before, so I might need to be shown or given a run through first so I know what i'm doing <ph> darkxst, on a side note the packages that jhbuild are failing on saying no libsystemd-login even though that's installed... should I --enable-libsystemd-login=no for those or are they actually required? I mean the system version if I attempt to remove that one as suggested in another bug it wants to remove all of ubuntu just about <darkxst> ph, the git command shows you what has been changed <darkxst> you then manually edit control file <darkxst> ph, what packages? we have logind <ph> polkit and colord are two that have failed - i got around it by doing --enable-libsystemd-login=no for polkit and --disable-systemd-login for colord <ph> but do they need to use libsystemd-login or they will use something else instead? <darkxst> they should be using logind. I get "checking for LIBSYSTEMD_LOGIN... yes" for polkit <darkxst> do you have libsystemd-login-dev installed? <ph> do you have a libsystemd-login built within jhbuild? <ph> do i need to have the libsystemd-login-dev installed in my system perhaps? <darkxst> system package <darkxst> likewise with anything listed as mandatory by 'jhbuild sysdeps' <ph> ah as you said before the jhbuild sysdeps --install wasn't working so that's why they got missed <ph> my fault ok cool <darkxst> it doesnt install any packages (but it does list them) <ph> yeah that's what's happened - i'll just install them manually <ph> ok it's back building again - so what is the git log -p configure.ac within the jhbuild folder actually doing? <ph> darkxst, ok it's back building again - so what is the git log -p configure.ac within the jhbuild folder actually doing? <ph> it opens the configure.ac file and allows me to do what with it? <darkxst> go to a folder, say gnome-settings-daemon <darkxst> then run it <darkxst> it will show you all changes to that file (in diff format) <darkxst> configure.ac contains all dependencies and versions as defined by upstream <ph> ok i get it - so it shows me what are the changes to dependencies from the last version, so it makes it easy to spot and then update the control.in file yeah? <darkxst> yeh <ph> nice ok - yeah coz i was going to ask what if they added new deps, but that answers that question <ph> so we got to the when ready take a debdiff of the debain folder. But the debian folder isn't in the tarball I downloaded from the ftp site you gave me. So you mean I need to to an apt-get source first right? <ph> *do <ph> darkxst, where do i get the source from though? just whatever is available in the ubuntu repos for whatever I'm packaging? <darkxst> ph, start with 3.10 package from gnome3-staging/saucy or debian <darkxst> if you use debian source, check the ubuntu packages for any changes that are needed though <ph> yeah i thought so - ok so just by adding the source for that ppa or have to download the source manually from the staging ppa? What is the debian source you mentioned? <darkxst> some of the 3.10 packages are in debian <darkxst> I use chdist to grab saucy source packages <darkxst> pull-debian-source to get debian packages <ricotz> darkxst, hi, i am going to fix up mutter 3.11.2 <ph> can you give me an example of each of those commands? <darkxst> ricotz, ok <darkxst> ph, look at the man pages ;) <ricotz> darkxst, are you working on gnome-icon-theme? <darkxst> ricotz, there was no 3.11 release for that <darkxst> I will just copy the 3.10 to trusty <ricotz> darkxst, right, i will push a rebuild with a bumped dep <darkxst> ok <ricotz> darkxst, the copy won't suffice <ricotz> ah no the g-i-t-symbolic needs to be patched <darkxst> ricotz, oh, I see <darkxst> ricotz, I'm off to cook dinner, feel free to push a fix in the meantime <ricotz> darkxst, already did <darkxst> :) <ph> darkxst, 14 packages left to build <ph> darkxst, so yeah according to the doco - jhbuild will pull libs, apps etc from the jhbuild environment first, and if it can't find it then it will pull it from the system <ph> ricotz, r u running g-s in jhbuild? <ricotz> ph, no <ph> me likey but have some issues - gonna reboot and also i'll try setting up a session to point to jhbuild gnome-shell <ph> ricotz, that's a pity - what version of g-s are you running? <ricotz> git master <ph> ricotz, how did you manage that? r u running ubuntu? <ricotz> using PPAs and local builds <ph> so like install base ubuntu gnome - then staging ppa, then built from git? <ricotz> kind of <ph> ricotz, lol you're crazy!!! I'm jealous :P Is it stable? <darkxst> ph, yes it does, but most likely glib_spawn, does not know about jhbuild so apps launched from the shell are mostly likely not run in a jhbuild shell <ricotz> ph, i am using g-s git since karmic <ricotz> and it works fine with some drawbacks from time to time <ph> ricotz, nice but probably a lot of work to keep it running smooth and updated etc though? <ph> darkxst, well I just installed gnome-tweak-tool also and ran it by alt+f2 and it opened the jhbuild version, but you mean that it might not be wrapped properly in the jhbuild environment? <darkxst> if it ran, it ran! <ph> darkxst, lol i see - so if an app doesn't it means it's not playing nice with jhbuild <ricotz> darkxst, hi, keep in mind if you copy to and rebuild packages in staging, make sure the deps are built before pushing the next package <ricotz> darkxst, gnome-shell wasn't built against the new gjs <kronstadt> hello <kronstadt> anybody talk spanish too? <MaverickPT> hello people <MaverickPT> gnome-settings-daemon crashed on ubuntu 13.10, any ideas why? #ubuntu-gnome 2013-12-03 <roasted> hello you beautiful people <c_smith> Gnome 3.10 seems to be pretty stable on 13.10 <c_smith> as compared to around a month ago. <roasted> c_smith: that's good news. I JUST installed it... <roasted> last I used it I rage quit when I couldn't install a damn printer. :/ <c_smith> lol <roasted> seriously. the whole printer UI would just say "failed to install printer" <c_smith> roasted, a month ago I couldn't use my keyboard volume keys (even though they were properly mapped) <roasted> on all 3 of my printers... <c_smith> roasted, makes me wonder what would have happened if I attempted to connect my OfficeJet J4540 printer. <roasted> I was just about to install it until you said it was better than a month ago. I'm waiting for updates to get done cause my one printer has a proprietary driver. <roasted> well in aminute here I might be able to at least offer insight if it works or not now-a-days <roasted> ha, updates done, sec. <c_smith> nice. <roasted> well, no error yet, still sitting on "installing" for my hp laserjet... <c_smith> nice <roasted> annnnnd still waiting <roasted> 6 minutes in <roasted> my life atm - http://i.imgur.com/NRyzMqP.png <roasted> really wanted to go to bed within the next 10 minutes :/ <c_smith> lulz <roasted> well we're not off to a good start <roasted> after 8 minutes of trying to install the printer I just rebooted <roasted> this time I selected my other printer <roasted> it too is hanging <roasted> damnit, gnome. <roasted> and/or ubuntu. <roasted> still installing. bed time. <darkxst> roasted, still havent fixed the printer bug <darkxst> roasted, but try using system-config-printer (just to confirm its really a g-c-c bug) <roasted> darkxst: with system-config-printer I was able to install my Epson printer with a proprietary driver without fuss. <darkxst> roasted, did printer install work properly in g-c-c 3.8? <roasted> I believe so <roasted> this was a fresh install and I bumped it to 3.10 right away, but I had ubuntu gnome on this system before <darkxst> roasted, can you try 3.11.2? <darkxst> (trusty only) <xente> often, gdm goes to the lock screen and when I use the keyboard to login I can't get my username to get keyboard focus. does anyone else have this problem? Is there a solution? <jw12000> Has anyone figured out how to get a gnome-session to work over VNC with Ubuntu 13.10? #ubuntu-gnome 2013-12-04 <darkxst> jw12000, it should work, but it will be very slow, since it will use software rendering <gnomer> Hi! <gnomer> Ubuntu Gnome 14.04 will be LTS? <roasted_> darkxst: I just fired up a live USB of ubuntu gnome 13.10 without PPAs (of course) and it too failed to install a printer. <roasted_> doesn't seem to be 3.8 vs 3.10 related, but 13.10 in itself <darkxst> roasted, did it ever work previously? <roasted_> on 13.10, no <roasted_> I've tried 4 printers at this point, all network based. <roasted_> gnome 3.10 in opensuse 13.1... works fine <roasted_> definitely something centralized around the 13.10 release of ubuntu gnome, as far as I can tell, and it doesn't care if I'm on the default 3.8 or PPA'd to 3.10 <darkxst> try with a 14.04 image? I can install my network printer here on trusty+3.10 (although it never worked in the past) <roasted_> I can try it <roasted_> by the time this is done downloading I'll be hosting a training session, so I probably won't get to it until much later. <roasted_> is Ubuntu 14.04 changing much in terms of the GTK vs Qt war? <roasted_> Like will Gnome be integrated nicer in Ubuntu 14.04 or will it be heavily driven by PPAs and wizardry workarounds? <darkxst> roasted, it should be slightly better, but you will still need a PPA to get full 3.10 <roasted_> ;/ <roasted_> darkxst: are you an ubuntu gnome dev? <darkxst> yes <roasted_> darkxst: I'm having a hard time understanding why gnome/ubuntu is a difficult relationship to overcome at the core level. I say this while looking as Xubuntu, who's GTK under the hood, and Mint 16 who have independent-ized Cinnamon to the point it doesn't matter what Ubuntu runs under the hood. <darkxst> roasted_, we have quite a few packages shared with Ubuntu <darkxst> where as xfce is largely independent of GNOME and cinnamon is a fork <roasted_> ah. :( <roasted_> this is the non-dev of me speaking but I would think, if nothing else, you could just pipe Gnome in its entirety to a single PPA and have it come down separately. <roasted_> That way shared libs with Ubuntu get upgraded and missing libs get installed and = Gnome. <darkxst> can't just go replacing shared libs, it messes with the reverse dependencies <roasted_> oh :( <roasted_> it's a shame you can't seemingly have an ubuntu base with an independently (but heavily integrated) gnome instance <darkxst> roasted_, we will get there eventually, hopefully for 14.10 <roasted_> darkxst: yeah, I have no doubt. It's just, as long as I can't print, things like that are major show stoppers for me, unfortunately. <darkxst> roasted_, but you can? your printer installed via system-config-printer should work fine! <roasted_> well, yeah, I suppose <roasted_> still signs of a broken setup (blunt 2c) <roasted_> gotta run though. thanks again. #ubuntu-gnome 2013-12-05 <ph> darkxst, hey man, I was having major issues with jhbuild and 3.11 the other day, and basically needed to rebuild my machine again, so I decided to check out Fedora 20 <ph> darkxst, so I'm just playing around in there for now by way of a comparison with ubuntu gnome - so I won't be able to help out with packaging g-s 3.11 unfortunately.... <ph> darkxst, I was actually looking forward to doing some, but for the life of me I just couldn't get 3.11 stable enough to do anything and wasn't happy staying with 3.8.2, and the move to 3.10.2 leaves me with the huge fonts headache :S <ph> darkxst, So I thought I'd try out Fedora for a bit and see what all the fuss was about... <ph> darkxst, but I can still help out with the extensions side of things anyways <Robinson> Â¿Cuando estarÃ¡ disponible con GNOME 3.10? #ubuntu-gnome 2013-12-06 <somethingrandom> hey guys, i installed gnome 3.10 under 13.10 and have trouble getting unity back: http://askubuntu.com/questions/386474/tried-gnome-3-10-on-ubuntu-13-10-how-can-i-get-unity-back/ <somethingrandom> any idea what to do? <somethingrandom> test <darkxst> ricotz, hi <darkxst> js24 is in master now ;) <Schrodinger`Cat> hey guys <Schrodinger`Cat> i love your distro <Schrodinger`Cat> thanks all for this project <ricotz> darkxst, hi, nice <ricotz> darkxst, there will be some trouble with goa, so sit tight ;) <darkxst> ok <ricotz> darkxst, you could prepare a g-c-c rebuild if you like <ricotz> for trusty and saucy <ricotz> goa isn't fully published yet <adamk> Hello all, is this a place where I could ask a question? #ubuntu-gnome 2013-12-07 <circ-user-b7neg> I'm running Ubuntu 13.10 Server, and have installed ubuntu-desktop. When the server boots up it goes straight into the Desktop login GUI. I was wondering if its possible to prevent that from happening, and instead be faced with the traditional black login command screen? <stratus_ss> sure it is <stratus_ss> there are a couple of ways you can do that <stratus_ss> you can boot into init 3, which by default doesnt use the gui, second, you can adjust the display manager, such as GDM, MDM or LightDM <stratus_ss> the simplist (not best) way to achieve this is to move the /etc/init.d/gdm file to another name <circ-user-b7neg> I've read suggestions online, however I'm looking for the "safest" method. I'd like to be able to start the desktop from the command screen when and if i need <stratus_ss> sure, that makes sense, working with the display manager is usually best <stratus_ss> typing "startx" will always launch your gui <stratus_ss> as long as you have a gui to launch <stratus_ss> alternatively you can use grub <stratus_ss> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="text" <circ-user-b7neg> im going to try the grub method first, and then i'll report back <stratus_ss> used to be i just never installed the display manager <darkxst> stratus_ss, hi <stratus_ss> hey dark, I have some questions regarding the build process <stratus_ss> I have worked my way through most of the debian maintainers guide, as well as the ubuntu how to <stratus_ss> and several how tos on pbuilder <stratus_ss> however I cant seem to get anything other than simple things ("bc" for example) to actually successfully build <darkxst> stratus_ss, do you have the PPA's installed? <darkxst> either in the config file, or you can do it runtime when running 'update' <stratus_ss> dark, ---> this one v <stratus_ss> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/gnome3-team/gnome3-staging/ubuntu trusty main <stratus_ss> or do you mean in the /etc/pbuilderrc <darkxst> stratus_ss, I do it like this "pbuilder-dist trusty amd64 update --override-config --othermirror "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/gnome3-team/gnome3-staging/ubuntu trusty main|deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/gnome3-team/gnome3-next/ubuntu trusty main" <darkxst> since I switch between different configs (trusty, trusty+ppa, etc) so its easier to just have a few different update scripts <darkxst> stratus_ss, if you do have the ppa installed, pastebin the build log (~/pbuilder/trusty_result/last_operation.log) <stratus_ss> what I am ultimately trying to acheive is understanding the backporting process, which if i understand correctly, is what is used to feed the ppa <darkxst> we are not backporting! we are ahead of ubuntu ;) <stratus_ss> ok, i guess to my way of thinking is we are "backporting" the source to deb <stratus_ss> or rather the upstream <darkxst> ok, backporting is not really the term <stratus_ss> ok, my appologies <darkxst> but the build system mostly handles the source side of things <stratus_ss> then to be more verbose, i want to be able to build the dependencies to be able to provide those to the ppa <darkxst> when you do uupdate -v 3.10.2 tarball <darkxst> all the dependencies should be there already for 3.10.x <stratus_ss> n00b question -> who creates them in the first place <darkxst> btw, just to go back a few steps, you will need to use the saucy pocket to build 3.10.x for the timebeing "i.e. deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/gnome3-team/gnome3-staging/ubuntu saucy main" <darkxst> stratus_ss, we update them from ubuntu or debian as required <darkxst> stratus_ss, or even better use a saucy pbuilder ;) <darkxst> I am going to start copying 3.10 packages into trusty pocket, but haven't started yet. <Schrodinger`Cat> hey <Schrodinger`Cat> is ubuntu-gnome team have found enough devs to be able to continue the project ? #ubuntu-gnome 2013-12-08 <ricotz> darkxst, hi :), seeing a thunderbird 24.2.0 release will probably mean that mozjs24 will also be called 24.2, which means another library-name-change :\ <darkxst> ricotz, meh, seems the mozilla people have no idea what is going on then ;( <darkxst> ricotz, https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-esr24/rev/0fa56f18ff99 <darkxst> ricotz, perhaps we should relax the versioning on the .pc file? <darkxst> although gjs still links directly against the lib <darkxst> meh, ignore that <ricotz> changing the name of the library- and pc-file without any reason is just a pita <ricotz> i guess there is no real understand for the shared library concept <darkxst> ricotz, right, I don't quite get it, it seems that the versioning was causing issues with extensions <darkxst> but the versioning is only applied to standalone build <darkxst> ricotz, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=927073 <ubot5> Mozilla bug 927073 in Build Config "Binary compatibility broken for maintenance releases due to strict version-script" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] <darkxst> but I still don't see how that breaks ABI <ricotz> an ABI break is no reason to change the name <ricotz> at least not for the standalone version <ricotz> but since they aren't maintaining a proper soname versioning they don't see another way <darkxst> yeh they refused to adopt proper soname versioning <ricotz> i am going to push an (untested) snapshot to my staging ppa <ricotz> (e.g. it might fail to build) <darkxst> ricotz, right, I wouldnt be entirely surprised it there are regression from those patches <darkxst> but it would be good to know either way, release isnt too far off, mainly blocked by the debug stuff currently <darkxst> ricotz, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=8344053 <darkxst> perhaps include that in snapshot? <ricotz> ah was that what you added to https://launchpad.net/~darkxst/+archive/mozjs-debug/+sourcepub/3665453/+listing-archive-extra ? <ubot5> Error: ubuntu bug 3665453 not found <darkxst> ricotz, no, I had to had a terrible hack to gjs (#define DEBUG) to make debug builds work <ricotz> ok, this is not included in my build though too <darkxst> with the above patch ./configure --debug should just work <ricotz> ok <darkxst> --enable-debug <darkxst> even <ricotz> i dont want to add it though <ricotz> enabling debug even breaks abi? <darkxst> ok <darkxst> no it shouldnt, but did due that bug <darkxst> debug build should be abi compatible just a bit slower <ricotz> i mean the debug build and non-debug build are not abi compatible <ricotz> the patch suggests otherwise <ricotz> but i guess they are not all public headers <darkxst> jsvals are structs in the debug build vs ints in the normal build <darkxst> but atleast according to upstream, they are abi compatible <ricotz> ah, this drops the minor versioning "libmozjs-24.so" <ricotz> mozjs-24.pc <darkxst> oh right, so if they ever actually really break the ABI we will be stuffed <ricotz> in this case we would just bump the soname <ricotz> the patch doesnt apply <darkxst> ricotz, probably against master then <darkxst> I'm off for the night, been a long weekend, cya <ricotz> darkxst, bye <Brama> hello gnome fans <Brama> i'm having problems installing latest ubuntu gnome with my usb stick and it's too big for a cd <Brama> is there a way to install proper ubuntu gnome trough official ubuntu netinstall ? <Brama> is there anybody here ? <MaverickPT> hi #ubuntu-gnome 2013-12-09 <charlie__> hello, I am new to Gnome, I was using Linux Mint before hand. I have downloaded your distro but I want to upgrade to Gnome 3.10 (HiDPI support) <charlie__> what is the best way to do this under this distro <charlie__> do I need to add your PPA? or Gnome3 team PPA <charlie__> interested to hear your responses, at the moment I can only see this way: http://askubuntu.com/questions/358989/install-gnome-3-10-in-ubuntu-13-10-without-breaking-unity <roasted> if i remember right the GNOME 3ppa brings in the missing bits of 3.8 <roasted> but the next ppa brings in 3.10 #ubuntu-gnome 2013-12-10 <rlaw3> is anyone's gdm failing after update? <xdev> please give me some help about nvidia optimus. <Pi__> hello, just wondering is Gnome Ubuntu just Ubuntu with gnome 3 on top or is it more customized. <Pi__> hello #ubuntu-gnome 2013-12-11 <stratus_ss> cheese 3.10.2 debdiff <stratus_ss> http://pastebin.com/RPidVMZQ <bob__> Hello all. <bob__> I am new to linux and ubuntu. I managed to setup a media server using the documentation for ubuntu but now I can't login on my account. only the guest account works. the server was working fine until...I skrewed it up and if someone could help me out, i'd appreciate it? #ubuntu-gnome 2013-12-12 <roasted> hmmm... does this help development for the Ubuntu gnome team? http://m.webupd8.org/2013/12/confirmed-canonical-is-forking-gnome.html?m=1 <mgedmin> afaiu yes <roasted> that would be great if it helps out development a bit. <roasted> I really like ubuntu gnome but sometimes the magnitude of PPAs needed to just pull in a full up to date version of Gnome is a little... eh?? <mgedmin> tiring <roasted> but if Ubuntu/Unity distances itself from underlying Gnome technologies then maybe it'll free up some strongarming Ubuntu had that kept Ubuntu Gnome from being that much more awesome. <amjjawad> Hi :) <amjjawad> roasted, if you like Ubuntu GNOME, why not join us? <roasted> amjjawad: doing... what? I can't code to save my life. <amjjawad> I am a Team Leader of many Sub-Teams of Ubuntu GNOME and we are looking for new contributors :) <amjjawad> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GettingInvolved <amjjawad> roasted, doing a lot ;) <amjjawad> how told you it is all about codes? it is not. There are several areas where you can help us <mgedmin> amjjawad, I reported a segfault a while ago, and pointed out the place in debian/patches/ that causes it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1243283 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1243283 in Ubuntu GNOME "gnome-control-center crashes if you change the language of the login screen" [Undecided,New] <mgedmin> so far no response <mgedmin> what would be the next step into getting it resolved? <mgedmin> would it help if I produced a debdiff? <amjjawad> mgedmin, let me have a look :) <roasted> amjjawad: you're Ali, correct? <amjjawad> there is only one amjjawad in the whole family and his name is Ali, yes :P <roasted> amjjawad: I remember seeing the name Ali a lot on the mailing list. That's why I asked. :P <amjjawad> roasted, no worries, yes, it is me :) <amjjawad> but I don't like IRC much :) <amjjawad> quitting Lubuntu Team after 2 years gave me more time, that is why I decided to be here more often :) <roasted> aw man, I love me some IRC. <amjjawad> mgedmin, I am not on Ubuntu GNOME right now so can't confirm your bug. However do one thing please until I reboot and try it. Send an email to the Ubuntu GNOME QA Mailing list - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Testing#Join_Ubuntu_GNOME_QA_Sub-Team <amjjawad> mgedmin, send the link of that bug please and I will post a comment once I will be able to re-produce it :) <roasted> amjjawad: whoa, 80 active developers? <amjjawad> roasted, 80? <roasted> that's what it said on the launchpad section for devs <roasted> from the sub group link <amjjawad> we don't have 80 developers :) <amjjawad> we are small young team trying to beat the impossible and be one of the top 10 Linux Systems ;) <amjjawad> you are missing lots of fun, I'd suggest to join us if you have a passion for Linux and Ubuntu GNOME <roasted> I'm still looking over the sub teams. I'm just not sure what would fit. :/ <roasted> so, probably a dumb question, but in the grand scheme of things how important is gnome control center and gnome settings daemon? <roasted> Would they be classified as monumentally sized components of gnome? <roasted> I'm just trying to wrap my brain around how much or how little it matters that canonical is forking these two items for 14.04 <amjjawad> mgedmin, would you please join the QA team? <amjjawad> so that I don't have to approve your emails every time :P <mgedmin> depends -- what would be my responsibilities as a member of that team? <amjjawad> reporting bugs MORE than enough :) <amjjawad> for now at least <roasted> both arms and your first born <roasted> :P * mgedmin joins <amjjawad> roasted, what do you like? <amjjawad> choose one sub-team /area you like the most <roasted> QA = bug testing right <amjjawad> QA = Quality <amjjawad> mgedmin, welcome :D <alowall> hi <darkxst> roasted, g-s-d and g-c-c are very important but Ubuntu packages are heavily patched, so hard to update. Canonical are forking these to unblock things for us. <roasted> darkxst: so, bottom line, this is *huge* news to ubuntu gnome's ability to develop things quickly in a sane manner. <roasted> eh? <darkxst> roasted, it is one big step in the right direction <roasted> that's great <darkxst> libgnome-desktop
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