#ubuntu-ie 2011-06-01 <res22_> strange problem <res22_> everything worked perfectly on 10.10, I upgrade to 11.04, wireless along with other things brake <res22_> the thing is wirelss also broke on windows <res22_> now I'm trying to reinstall 10.10 from cd, and the wireless no longer works, even as a livecd <ebel> huh <ebel> did you have to do anything special to the wifi last time round? <ebel> And humour me here, is the wifi actually switched on? <ebel> (Many laptops have a physical wifi switch) <res22_> the driver actually detects the network, and the full signal <res22_> it just won't connect <res22_> on windows, it won't look up the dns for some strange reason <res22_> I can enter the ip address of a website, but not the url <res22_> another thing, it worked initially, it's only over the last few days I've been having the problems <res22_> (after upgrading ~ a week ago) <res22_> Also, this is with the old kernel selected from grub, if I boot the new kernel X doesn't work <airurando> evening all <airurando> the ubuntu font <airurando> http://www.youtube.com/celebrateubuntu#p/u/0/BG-Q7hTKCws <airurando> czajkowski features at 2:57 <airurando> nice video <moylan> interesting video on fonts. <czajkowski> I do indeed #ubuntu-ie 2011-06-02 <tdr112> anyone still up <ShaneM> Yep <moylan> yo <tdr112> so i have a 3g stick , i want to share its internet via a ethernet cable , any ideas <ShaneM> tdr112: Can you do the bridging thing like you can do with wireless to ethernet? <ShaneM> Hmm <ShaneM> In 1PV4 settings for wireless you can share <ShaneM> But they don't appear to be there for the mobile connection <ShaneM> ... not sure otherwise :) <czajkowski> Aloha <tdr112> hello <ebel> yo <czajkowski> how's folks? * tdr112 is putting together sildes for a talk in 3 hours time <czajkowski> oh best of luck <czajkowski> tdr112: is that it all over then ? <tdr112> college wise ? na this is not for college its in the nci <czajkowski> ahh <czajkowski> davem: hows you <davem> busy in work <czajkowski> good to hear :) <davem> people out, people (in general) getting stupider by the day <czajkowski> ah true <davem> how bout you? employed again? <czajkowski> not ye <czajkowski> yet <czajkowski> working on it <davem> anything interesting? <tdr112> my arduino is doing a lot of tweeting today <airurando> evening all #ubuntu-ie 2011-06-03 <airurando> morning all <czajkowski> airurando: hiya <airurando> hi czajkowski <markss> Hey <airurando> how is everyone on this spectacular evening? #ubuntu-ie 2011-06-04 <tdr112> morning <joshuau> hi there <joshuau> hi there <joshuau> hi there <tdr112> airurando: ping pong <airurando> hiya tdr112 <tdr112> are you driving to 3d camp <airurando> yip but I'll be in limerick from Wednesday night <airurando> Dad has a minor procedure happening in hospital on Thursday <tdr112> ah ok , well good luck with that <airurando> thanks <airurando> what time are you talking? <tdr112> i dont know yet , are you driving home on the day ? <airurando> yip <airurando> happy to give you a lift up to red cow <tdr112> do you drove back near port laoise <airurando> yeah I come via port laoise <tdr112> ah cool i might take a lift from you so , i have to see if we are doing a workshop the next day , if we are not i will only be there for the day <airurando> no prob <airurando> would love the company #ubuntu-ie 2011-06-05 <moylan> the joy of ubuntu? clicking on a 'youtube' link and finding that a msdos exe had been delivered to my system but could do no harm. :-) #ubuntu-ie 2011-06-07 <daxroc> Hey #ubuntu-ie 2011-06-09 <ebel> I upgraded to Ubuntu 11.04 and now my dual monitors only one works. bah <czajkowski> aloha <tdr112> ebel: i like having dual monitors <ebel> tdr112: me too. but now I don't have them anymore :( <ebel> http://askubuntu.com/questions/47813/dual-screen-monitor-not-working-after-11-04-upgrade here's my askubuntu question <czajkowski> ebel: there was stuff about that but all te folks I know that upgraded have it working <ebel> yes i am upgrading late. anyone wrote anything up? blog posts/bug reports/etc.? <czajkowski> just posted it - uk to see of anyone can help or cmment <czajkowski> ebel: join ubuntu-uk <ebel> monitors fixed. i was using non-floss drivers. apt-get removing them, rebooting fixed it <czajkowski> :) #ubuntu-ie 2011-06-10 <ebel> hmmm <ebel> our blacknight sponsored hosting is about to expire <ebel> are we doing anything with that? <czajkowski> thought we were <czajkowski> you're kidding we;ve had it a year and not used it :( <ebel> erm, not sure <slashtom> we have hosting? what for? <ebel> ubuntu-ie * ebel should send an email' <ebel> brian lenihan has just died <czajkowski> nods <czajkowski> sad <ebel> he didn't have a nice last year. <czajkowski> no indeed he didnt <czajkowski> and the kind of cancer he has was less than pleasent also <ebel> I was more thinking that he had a tough job. <czajkowski> aye he did <czajkowski> and it'd been a long year for him also <ebel> AFAIK that means there are no more FF TDs in Dublin <airurando> Evening all <airurando> Who is going to 3DCamp and the Geeknic in limerick tomorrow. <czajkowski> aloha #ubuntu-ie 2011-06-11 <airurando> Afternoon all. <moylan> hey <airurando> 3DCamp is going well. <airurando> Hi moylan <airurando> Geeknic soon ihodge@example.net. <moylan> looking at the outline for 3d camp on boards.ie nice set of topics. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=+1-203-976-2548 <airurando> Yeah. They all seem to be pitched at a level that even I can get my head around <moylan> for me augmented reality is of the most interest. have used layar on android phone. it's ok but i always wonder if it can be done better. <moylan> also hope somebody has tk red lemonade for the geeknic. wouldn't be a picnic in ireland with out the tk red. :-) <airurando> Will be a very short geeknic. Only half an hour for lunch. <tdr112> czajkowski: this ul is a nice college <czajkowski> tdr112: you're been before haven't you? <czajkowski> take pics <czajkowski> please <tdr112> airurando has photos <czajkowski> great <czajkowski> tdr112: howd your talk go <tdr112> grand <czajkowski> great to hear <czajkowski> miss ul :( <czajkowski> tis a cool college <tdr112> i was lost for a while , i went to the place where the ubuntu talk where on but its in the cs <czajkowski> ahh yes you went to main building <czajkowski> b/c blocks <czajkowski> csis buidiling oposite it <airurando> a few geeknic photos <airurando> http://pix.ie/ubuntuie/album/412636 #ubuntu-ie 2011-06-12 <airurando> night night #ubuntu-ie <airurando> evening <steampunkey> hi there <steampunkey> not here to talk about GNU/Linux <steampunkey> hope you won't mind going OT with me <steampunkey> i'm interested in the meaning of these lyrics: http://www.kinglaoghaire.com/site/lyrics/song_364.html <steampunkey> is it ironic? <steampunkey> what happened at "Erin's border"? <moylan> well ireland is an island and the only border of any significance is the one between north and south. a lot has happened at that border. <steampunkey> i hoped for some insight rather than deduction, no offense ;-P <moylan> well it's a song so it's stuffed with methaphors that are a little vague. sorry. <steampunkey> Perhaps I should mention that Wolfe Tones have preformed it for "50 Great Rebel Songs and Ballads" <steampunkey> maybe the Irish from the north would know, but #northernireland is invite only :-( <steampunkey> (make that two hashes: ##northernireland) * airurando changed the topic of #ubuntu-ie to: Welcome to Ubuntu Ireland! || http://www.ubuntu-ie.org/ || https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrishTeam || This channel is logged - logs at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ || Next IRC Meeting: 15th Jun 2011 @ 8pm || Next Ubuntu Hour Limerick to be determined, Absolute Hotel || Location and time of the next UH Dublin is a surprise!! <steampunkey> ehm what <airurando> what's confusing steampunkey? <steampunkey> the song. ;-) <czajkowski> aloha <steampunkey> i thought i reconnected, but it was just a topic switch <airurando> hi czajkowski <airurando> steampunkey I find that song confusing to. <steampunkey> heh <airurando> steampunkey where are you based? <steampunkey> A Catholic European country <steampunkey> Actually, you can see my IP. I'm from Croatia <moylan> sooooo not ireland :-D <steampunkey> anonymity fail <steampunkey> moylan: that'd be correct. I'm not an Ubuntu user either. Debian here. <airurando> steampunkey not sure what the best IRC channel would be to get a definitive answer to you Question. <czajkowski> steampunkey: try debian on oftc <steampunkey> czajkowski: O.O <airurando> steampunkey: moylan probably gave the best response possible from this channel. <moylan> the question was about irish song lyrics. i'm a history buff and know my was around both the wolftones and irish history and it's ringing no specific bells. give me 5 minutes and i'll google the bugger. <steampunkey> moylan: it's hard to even find the lyrics, let alone their meanings <steampunkey> [20:53] <steampunkey> moylan: it's hard to even find the lyrics, let alone their meanings <czajkowski> ok <czajkowski> thought it was a tech question hence my comment re debian <steampunkey> k <moylan> well i could find history for some of the wolf tones songs but not 'the rights of man' https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wolfe_Tones_discography <moylan> considering that the border is only 90 years old it is odd that there is no specific history in relation to such a new song. <paxcoder> moylan: your last sentence doesn't sound right <moylan> might be getting somewhere. http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=5530#471631 <airurando> must dash... night night all. <moylan> i can only think that many irish trad songs end up changing over time. in 1798 there was no border so a reference in a song would make no sense while in 1968 when the wolf tones recorded their version it would. <paxcoder> *shrugs* <paxcoder> thanks for trying <moylan> still thinking on it. the only division of note that caused strife in 1798 was that between protestant and catholic. ironically most people forget that wolf tone was a protestant. <moylan> especially with the line 'with each communion' <paxcoder> moylan: i don't get the queen in it <paxcoder> makes it sounds like a loyalist song o.O <moylan> well the uk has only had 2 queens when it comes to ireland queen elizabeth i and queen elizabeth ii. i think in this case the queen represents ireland. especially with the reference to grainne #ubuntu-ie 2011-06-13 <paxcoder> wow, there's a twist <slashtom> morning airurando <slashtom> how was the geeknic? <airurando> hi slashtom <airurando> twas nice <airurando> short though <airurando> and small <slashtom> good good, and good job you had it on saturday <airurando> ha ha <airurando> you are soooo right <airurando> very lucky, although I do feel vindicated moving it from may to june (says he with tongue firmly in cheek) <slashtom> you can never rely on the weather <slashtom> have to hope for the best <slashtom> we ended up in south wicklow, ebel was testing out the new helmet camera <ebel> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rorymccann/+1-203-976-2548/in/photostream video of us riding bikes <airurando> very nice. <airurando> good quality <slashtom> dingle this coming weekend! <airurando> the Dingle Peninsula is a lovely part of the country <slashtom> we have yet to do that part of kerry <slashtom> and i'm still in 2 minds as of what to do in july, 4 days in beara or donegal <airurando> I lived in Tralee for a few years <airurando> can't really offer an opinion on the beara / donegal decision. <ebel> we drive from bantry to kenmare over beara, and it was great, so we'd like to do that area more. <ebel> was the geeknic fun? <airurando> yeah. 3DCamp was excellent. <airurando> for me anyway <airurando> I feared the talks would go over my head but they were pitched at a high enough level for me to understand. <airurando> some new faces at the geeknic but most stayed indoors <airurando> unfortunately infoturtle and his posse couldn't make it <slashtom> what was 3Dcamp about? <airurando> all things 3D <airurando> films <airurando> virtual reality <airurando> tactile interaction <airurando> neuroscience <airurando> GPS <slashtom> ok, many there? <airurando> I estimate about 40 <airurando> schedule here: <airurando> https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0AiAWdCTNfTcKdG9Jc2pjQTUzb3dRTGpLdzdMZm9iT0E&single=true&gid=0&output=html <airurando> tdr112 was talking <airurando> and on the panel at the end <slashtom> good stuff <ebel> cool <tdr112> me ? <tdr112> :) <tdr112> morning all <airurando> morning tdr112 <czajkowski> tdr112: good choices <tdr112> czajkowski: yep <czajkowski> and we have another irish person taken on in canonical for their internship <czajkowski> :d <tdr112> yep i meet him the other day in ul <czajkowski> tis cool <czajkowski> https://twitter.com/#!/joelennon/status/80293941206978560 <tdr112> anyone a nice pub near Upper Leeson Street <delcoyote> near... O'Brien <delcoyote> not so near, The Barge, The 51 <delcoyote> M. O'Brien <delcoyote> Leeson Lounge <tdr112> thanks delcoyote i will look them up <delcoyote> no problem <delcoyote> Closer than The 51 you have also the ones in Baggot Street Upper <czajkowski> barge is nice <thethomaseffect> evening all <thethomaseffect> Any word on getting the website domain pointing to the new hosting? I'm ready to work on redesign anytime once it's done <czajkowski> thethomaseffect: I didnt know this was requested <czajkowski> I *think* I need to file a RT <czajkowski> hmmm <czajkowski> thethomaseffect: is the site ready to go live ? <czajkowski> AlanBell: howdy <czajkowski> 20:22 < thethomaseffect> Any word on getting the website domain pointing to the new hosting? I'm ready to work on redesign anytime once it's done <czajkowski> 20:40 < czajkowski> thethomaseffect: I didnt know this was requested <czajkowski> 20:40 < czajkowski> I *think* I need to file a RT <czajkowski> AlanBell: that's right isnt it <czajkowski> and there is a website theme somewhere..... <AlanBell> ubuntu-ie.org is this? <AlanBell> bunch of themes here for different platforms https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website <czajkowski> aye <AlanBell> we are using wordpress for -uk <czajkowski> thethomaseffect: you goe ? <czajkowski> *gone <czajkowski> AlanBell: thanks <AlanBell> it would be an rt to repoint the domain at a different IP <czajkowski> nods <AlanBell> slÃ¡inte o/ <czajkowski> :) #ubuntu-ie 2011-06-14 <Belserusk> Can anyone solve this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1772493 <Belserusk> Can someone answer my question? <czajkowski> Belserusk: no idea best asking tech support questions in #ubuntu like we've mentioned before <Belserusk> czajkowski, I thought this channel was also for tech qs? <czajkowski> not so much <czajkowski> if we can help yes <czajkowski> but the majority of tech questions go to well #ubuntu <czajkowski> as it's full of many more people <czajkowski> this is a loco channel <czajkowski> so there are people here but not always <Belserusk> czajkowski, I see, thanks. <czajkowski> np #ubuntu-ie 2011-06-15 <tdr112> afternoon all <tdr112> irc meeting tonight <czajkowski> aloha <tdr112> hey cztab <czajkowski> week booked in ireland for July <slashtom> oh? when in july? <czajkowski> 4-8th <czajkowski> be in dublin one of the 5-8 days <slashtom> can we get together and steal cztab's ID to prevent her leaving? <czajkowski> heh <slashtom> should we arrange an ubuntu hour for when you're over? <czajkowski> I'll let you know closer to the date as it depends on an apointment in dublin what day I'm there if that's ok <slashtom> sure <czajkowski> ebel: http://www.kindle-maps.com/blog/yes-it-is-possible-to-cross-dublin-without-passing-a-pub.html <czajkowski> is making its way through ubuntu channels <ebel> indeed. <ebel> that in fact, would be me who did that <ebel> Was just talking to a journalist and getting photographed. * ebel shall have to look in papers tomorrow <czajkowski> :D <czajkowski> so adding that bto the ubunut ie team report :D <ebel> sure :) <ebel> openstreetmap is open data. <tdr112> evening <airurando> evening tdr112 <ebel> ello <infoturtle> how do guys <airurando> who is going to chair? <ebel> I could... if no-one else wants to <infoturtle> go for it! <tdr112> go for it <ebel> ok <ebel> #startmeeting <MootBot> Meeting started at 14:03. The chair is ebel. <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] <ebel> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrishTeam/IRCMeetings/2011-06-15 <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrishTeam/IRCMeetings/2011-06-15 <ebel> our agenda <ebel> [topic] Review of previous action items <MootBot> New Topic: Review of previous action items <ebel> who wants to talk on that? <airurando> there was only one from may <airurando> ebel tog, dublin meetup 2pm saturday for hackathon to work on reapproval page <airurando> tdr112 and I did meet up at TOG with czajkowski online <airurando> progress was made. <tdr112> a lot of work done more to do <infoturtle> hooray for progress! <airurando> I know ebel did some fancy work also on the reapproval page * tdr112 still has to do the work he said he would <airurando> page is at: <airurando> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrishTeam/IrishTeamReApprovalApplication <ebel> cool <ebel> (re-approval is later on agenda, we can talk then) <airurando> exactly <airurando> just about to say that. <airurando> that ends it for the reviow of previous action items. <airurando> *review <airurando> shall we move on ebel? <ebel> [topic] June Geeknic: Post-event review <MootBot> New Topic: June Geeknic: Post-event review <airurando> very quick. <tdr112> a few new faces , which was good <tdr112> airurando: has photos <infoturtle> :D <airurando> Geeknic took place during the lunch hour of 3DCamp in Limerick on Sat 11 Jun 11. <infoturtle> good to hear it went well <airurando> photos here: http://pix.ie/ubuntuie/album/412636 <airurando> 3DCamp was very enjoyable and while the geeknic was short and small it was good fun. <airurando> I recommend this kind of regional event whenever the opportunity arises. <airurando> tdr112 gave a presentation at this barcamp and he was excellent. <airurando> details of the event can be found at http://3dcamp.barcamp.ie/ <airurando> that it for this one from me. * airurando finishes dinner <ebel> airurando: can you take over? * ebel phone call <airurando> ohis that possiblw? <airurando> we'll muddle through <airurando> new topic <tdr112> ebel: in the paper http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/computer-solves-joyce-pubs-riddle-2676281.html <airurando> [TOPIC] August Geeknic: Initial discussion <airurando> thoughts on the August Geeknic anyone? <airurando> Dublin I suppose? <airurando> leaving out the bank holiday leaves: <airurando> 12,13,14th <airurando> 19,20,21st <airurando> 26,27,28th <infoturtle> just starting the ball here, I'm down for any of those and will make this one <slashtom> poll it? <infoturtle> not picky on the date <slashtom> doodle <infoturtle> poll might be best <airurando> yeah we can doodle. <slashtom> location? <airurando> do we agree to leave the bank holiday off the list? <slashtom> aye <infoturtle> sure <airurando> slashtom: location suggestion? <infoturtle> I've always been a fan of easter island, but it's a bit away <airurando> tdr112 any ideas? <slashtom> how about walk then geeknic? <slashtom> greystones to bray? <airurando> how far is that? <slashtom> iirc tdr112 has done that walk <ebel> 1 or 2 hr walk iirc * ebel off phone <airurando> and geeknic in Bray? <airurando> back to you ebel <slashtom> or greystones, both have dart stations <tdr112> gtg <airurando> I'm happy with whatever is decided <infoturtle> sounds like a class plan! <ebel> [agreed] poll for date of august geeknic <MootBot> AGREED received: poll for date of august geeknic * airurando only has small chance of making this one anyway) <airurando> I'll set up the poll (assuming it is easy) I'll chat to slashtom if I get stuck <ebel> location as a poll? people might add new ones? <ebel> doodle is very easy to use and set up <airurando> weather was ebel will you do it so please <ebel> i'll do the poll(s) <ebel> next topic? <airurando> yeah <ebel> [topic] LoCo Reapproval Application update <MootBot> New Topic: LoCo Reapproval Application update <airurando> some discussion earlier. <airurando> now to the nitty gritty <airurando> I reckon the experience section is good as is. <airurando> I believe we need to fleash out the roadmap section as much as we are comfortable with. <airurando> I suggest keeping it very high level <airurando> tdr112 has this on his to do list but I think we should all chip in <czajkowski> aloha <airurando> czajkowski chatted to me on this recently <ebel> FYI I got an email from launchpad saying ubuntu-ie will expire from approved-team group in a few days <ebel> on 2011-06-22. i'm guessing that's 2 years after we approved <airurando> I reckon we should complete the roadmap and submit shortly <czajkowski> yes <ebel> i wouldn't worry about it too much <czajkowski> well ye will expire on the 22nd <infoturtle> oh no <czajkowski> but the meeting is the day before so we can go before re approval then <infoturtle> all of us? <czajkowski> or we can give ye a months grace <czajkowski> infoturtle: the team..... <airurando> should we try to get the submission in for next Tuesdays meeting? <czajkowski> tbh the wiki is in great shape and I say yes <airurando> great stuff. <airurando> ebel? <airurando> slashtom? <airurando> infoturtle? <airurando> I'd be +1 for the next meeting also. <infoturtle> meeting where? <czajkowski> infoturtle: on irc <ebel> re-approval meeting next tuesday? possibly.... what time? I don't have time to do much work on wiki page betwen now and then... <infoturtle> can do! <czajkowski> in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda <czajkowski> the wiki is in great shape folks <czajkowski> a little road map <czajkowski> and tis fine <airurando> ebel: all that's needed is a bit of work on the roadmap <czajkowski> TRUST ME <czajkowski> I do have one massive question for folks though so when we;re on AOB stab me please <airurando> ebel? slashtom? <ebel> well if i don't have to do anything.... <czajkowski> nope <airurando> I'll hook up with tdr112 before the weekend <czajkowski> the wiki is a really good aplication <airurando> ebel if you could review and submit on Monday <ebel> though if we can wait, we might get more people at the IRC meeting.... <ebel> more to time to organise people to get them there <czajkowski> as long as it's in the hour before the meeting tis fine <airurando> we can start plugging it tonight <airurando> 6 days left <czajkowski> aye <airurando> surely thats enough time no? * ebel is 50/50 so will go with consenseue <czajkowski> I'll also be there and not voting as council <ebel> vote? <airurando> yeah <ebel> [vote] Should we submit our re-approval for next tuesday? <MootBot> Please vote on: Should we submit our re-approval for next tuesday?. <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-ie <czajkowski> +1 <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 <ebel> 0 <ebel> +0 <MootBot> Abstention received from ebel. 1 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1 <tdr112> -1 <MootBot> -1 received from tdr112. 1 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0 <airurando> +1 <MootBot> +1 received from airurando. 2 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1 <airurando> infoturtle? <infoturtle> +1 <MootBot> +1 received from infoturtle. 3 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2 <czajkowski> tdr112: what's your reasonsing do you think it's not ready ? or you won't be there <ebel> czajkowski: we can re-apply the month after right? or what? <czajkowski> well we have 2 options. <tdr112> i think we need more time <czajkowski> 1) add the wiki application to the bug <czajkowski> 2) we extend the time by a month or so <czajkowski> so up to ye really <czajkowski> honestly <airurando> tdr112: what do you think is lacking <czajkowski> given I look at these the whole time, the wiki page is in fantastic shape <czajkowski> tis clear <czajkowski> details all th work <ebel> majority seems to be in favour... <airurando> tdr112: more time for what? <tdr112> i wont hold it up <tdr112> go for it <czajkowski> oki dokie <airurando> is it agreed so? <czajkowski> count is 2 so yeah seems so <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrishTeam/IrishTeamReApprovalApplication <airurando> tdr112, if something is niggling at you speak now. <czajkowski> only issue as far as I can see is the flicker images missing which I dont know why they are <tdr112> nope i will fix it over the next few days <czajkowski> okie <czajkowski> tdr112: I'm doing nothing all weekend hollar <airurando> does ebel have to submit it? <airurando> say on Monday? <czajkowski> tuesday is fine <ebel> [agreed] re-approval on tues <MootBot> AGREED received: re-approval on tues <czajkowski> just add it to the wiki the hr before <airurando> right oh <airurando> fingers and toes crossed. <czajkowski> stop over thinking <ebel> cool <ebel> so who is doing the nitty gritty submission stuff? <czajkowski> whatcha mean <czajkowski> nitty gritty ? <airurando> ebel: czajkowski said we just need to add it to the wiki <ebel> who's submitting it <czajkowski> anyone can add it to the wiki <ebel> ok <czajkowski> so if yer finsihed over the weekend just add it <ebel> ok, who ever is the last to finish on the wiki adds it to the agenda for the loco council <ebel> ? <czajkowski> yeah <ebel> cool <ebel> next topic? <airurando> ok <ebel> [topic] ubuntu-ie.org hosting options <MootBot> Vote is in progress. Finishing now. <MootBot> Final result is 3 for, 1 against. 1 abstained. Total: 2 <MootBot> New Topic: ubuntu-ie.org hosting options <airurando> I put this up after ebel's mail <czajkowski> well I can ask BK to do it again if we like <ebel> we can <czajkowski> I know thethomaseffect asked about domains names to be pointed but we needed to confirm the hosting <ebel> cause our BK sponsored hosting is due to expire soon <czajkowski> and then a mail to be sent to ihodge@example.net which I'll sort <infoturtle> I was working on that too and then got stuck with it <ebel> a few people (on the mailing list) have offered hosting <czajkowski> nods <airurando> yeah <airurando> appreciated for sure <ebel> However we need a webmaster/webmistriss not a host.... <czajkowski> well we have 2 people working on a site <thethomaseffect> Apologies, I'm here <czajkowski> :s <czajkowski> ah ha <czajkowski> :) <czajkowski> thethomaseffect: aloha <ebel> i have forgotten what was going on with the web hosting... <thethomaseffect> Hallo :) <czajkowski> I need someone to tell me what dns to point to where so I can resolve that issue <ebel> what's the problem with DNS? <czajkowski> ebel: I dont know it was mentoned in here by thethomaseffect <czajkowski> I assumed to point to new hosting <ebel> thethomaseffect: can you give an update on the new hosting? <thethomaseffect> The address needed is somewhere in the blacknight CP I'm quite positive, but since I've no experience in repointing domains I wouldn't be entirely certain <thethomaseffect> ebel: Sure, any parts in particular? <airurando> All well above my head. <ebel> well, i dunno... eh is it ready to go live? what have you done with it? how does it compare to the old hosting? <czajkowski> thethomaseffect: have you seen http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-community-webthemes <ebel> should we contact BK and ask if they can renew the hosting? or what? <thethomaseffect> I seen mention yesterday that ubuntu uk use wordpress instead of drupal. Wordpress is a lot easier to maintain and would fit the site better, since it's mostly used for news. I think since it's not an issue to archive the old ihodge@example.net it would be a good move to use it. <thethomaseffect> czajkowski: Had a quick look, though design isn't an issue as soon as domain is repointed <czajkowski> the only reason I would chose BK is well we have some of them on here and on the ML <ebel> you don't *need* to change DNS / repoint domains to test. You can edit /etc/hosts (if that's what's blocking you) <czajkowski> and it's nice to support irish <thethomaseffect> ebel: I've done a theme, I'm cautious of installing any CMS unless it's on the domain that'll be the one used in the live version <ebel> once we have it ready, we can repoint the DNS to the new server <ebel> do/did you have access to the blacknight hosting to set things up? <thethomaseffect> couldn't I just put up an under consturuction page and link back to old site? <airurando> czajkowski: will you ask BK as you offered? <czajkowski> yup <czajkowski> can do <airurando> great stuff. <airurando> ebel action for czajkowski <ebel> [agreed] ask BK for more hosting <MootBot> AGREED received: ask BK for more hosting <ebel> [action] <MootBot> ACTION received: <ebel> [action] czajkowski to ask BK <MootBot> ACTION received: czajkowski to ask BK <ebel> thethomaseffect: well we /could/, but that's not very user freindly, and you can install any CMS on the BK hosting and then we can send users over when it's ready? <thethomaseffect> ebel: In the installation, all the links will be pointing at the wrong address. It'll be the absolute one rather than the one that'll be used. It's not good from a security perspective. It's possible there'll be no issue but what can go wrong, will <thethomaseffect> once the domain is repointed, unless i have personal stuff, i'm confident i can have most stuff migrated in just 48 hours <czajkowski> ok so atm, don;t we have access to the hosting <czajkowski> so can we try it out <ebel> yeah <tdr112> Kill all Zombies <ebel> we ourselves can't change the DNS, we need canonical to do that. <thethomaseffect> myself and infoturtle ran into PHP issues while trying to set things up on the absolute url also. We could reach a index.htl but not a drupal/install.php <czajkowski> ebel: see that there is the info I need <czajkowski> if you tell me what you need changed <czajkowski> I'll do the mail and go talk to IS to get it done <ebel> thethomaseffect: you have access to the BK hosting, right? can you start looking at installing things? <thethomaseffect> once the somain is sorted out I'm sure it won't be an issue, my own hosting is blacknight and it was smooth sailing installing drupal and wordpress <czajkowski> but I am cluseless as to what you want DNS changed to <ebel> (I'm trying to make sure I'm not blocking anything) <thethomaseffect> ebel: like i said, i did, and can't until there's a domain * czajkowski is lost <ebel> right, so ubunut-ie.org and www.ubuntu-ie.org need to point to the new blacknight host then? <ebel> (any other domains) <thethomaseffect> aye <czajkowski> ok <thethomaseffect> and afaik no <ebel> I'll figure out the details fromk BK, then send them to czajkowski. who can pass that email onto canonical/whoever (since they know who) <ebel> then we'll tell ye and ye should be good to go? <czajkowski> ebel: thanks <czajkowski> if you tell me what I'll email it and then get it done ASAP <ebel> kewl <ebel> sorted <ebel> next topic? <airurando> yip <ebel> [topic] Launchpad team are sprinting in Dublin (from tdr112) <MootBot> New Topic: Launchpad team are sprinting in Dublin (from tdr112) <czajkowski> :D <ebel> tdr112 around? <czajkowski> as far as I know there is a pub picked <czajkowski> possible the barge <czajkowski> close to the hotel where they are staying lower leason st <ebel> ok. what dates is this? we could have an ubuntu hour? or similar? <czajkowski> cant find the emails :s <czajkowski> early july <czajkowski> as far as I can tell <ebel> ok <ebel> so while away... <ebel> unless tdr112 had anything special to say.... (or anyone else)? <czajkowski> it;s a laucpad <czajkowski> *launchpad <czajkowski> Canonical platform team and linaro over here <czajkowski> over 300 of them <ebel> lots <czajkowski> yup <czajkowski> pretty much as big as a UDS <ebel> cool <airurando> when is this happening? <czajkowski> begining of July <ebel> we should try to meet up? <czajkowski> aye tdr112 has contacted mat revell <czajkowski> from the laucnhpad team <tdr112> i will send the details about the meet up when i know <ebel> cool <czajkowski> and the arangement is for a night in a pub <czajkowski> ah there he is <ebel> cool <ebel> so tdr112 you'll keep us informed? <tdr112> yep <ebel> next topic? (AOB?) <ebel> czajkowski: you wanted to say something? <czajkowski> nope covered above <ebel> cool <ebel> AOB? <ebel> #endmeeting <MootBot> Meeting finished at 15:27. <ebel> thanks everyone for coming <airurando> thanks ebel <czajkowski> ebel: breaking news headingline <czajkowski> http://breakingnews.ie/ireland/computer-solves-joyce-pubs-riddle-509122.html <ebel> yeah tis craxy <ebel> it's all from Press Association. they do stories, then newspapers print them <ebel> (hence why it's the same story everywhere) #ubuntu-ie 2011-06-16 * airurando changed the topic of #ubuntu-ie to: Welcome to Ubuntu Ireland! || http://www.ubuntu-ie.org/ || https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrishTeam || This channel is logged - logs at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ || Next IRC Meeting: 20th July 2011 @ 8pm || Next Ubuntu Hour Limerick Thursday 30th June 2011, Absolute Hotel || Expect the next UH Dublin soon!! <delcoyote> does anyone know how to get two ip's from an isp provider in dublin? <delcoyote> *in one package <delcoyote> eircom.... <slashtom> our ebel will be talking in just a few minutes http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/radio/bbc_radio_fourfm/listenlive <ShaneM> slashtom: Thanks! :) <tdr112> how is he getting on <slashtom> the bbc got their facts wrong, and told the world that ebel is a computer scientist at UCD <slashtom> also the quality was crap compared with the other interviews <ebel> hahaha <czajkowski> new job openings :) <czajkowski> ebel: all day long you've been appearing in my twitter stream <czajkowski> from USA - OZ <ebel> hahah :) <slashtom> czajkowski: new job openings..... back home? ;) <czajkowski> slashtom: no was joking ebel job in UCD for Ebel <airurando> tdr112 <airurando> you about? <tdr112> yo <tdr112> airurando: <airurando> hi there <airurando> just wondering about the coding retreat <airurando> did you attend? <tdr112> i did <airurando> good stuff. <tdr112> are you putting it down as a ubuntu-ie event :) <airurando> I'll put it on the may team report <airurando> not a ubuntu-ie event <tdr112> yep i meant to get back to that but i have had interviews all week <airurando> but a cross group ervent that ubuntu-ie team member helped to org and participated in <airurando> no prob <tdr112> sounds good <airurando> will also put it on reapproval wiki page <tdr112> heading off , i am free tomorrow so i will work on the bit i said i would <tdr112> also i got the date for the ubuntu team coming over i will send out the email tomorrow <tdr112> 29th june porterhouse #ubuntu-ie 2011-06-17 <airurando> morning (just about) <tdr112> ebel: in todays times <ebel> irish times? cool. <tdr112> yep my brother rang me to tell me he saw it , its online too <tdr112> http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0617/1224299072190.html <ebel> yes saw it online yesterday. thanks for the heads up <tdr112> well its todays page 6 <slashtom> with photo? <airurando> congrats again ebel. you must be chuffed. <ebel> yeah, tis kinda cool. <ebel> Tis suprising how, from a computer science/algoritm point of view the problem isn't too hard. <tdr112> slashtom: i dont know my brother told me , i have only seen the online one <ebel> suppose it just go to show that programming is valuable, cause with it you can do things that are hard otherwise. <czajkowski> aloha <airurando> evening czajkowski <czajkowski> hows you <airurando> not to bad now. <airurando> and you? <czajkowski> sleepy #ubuntu-ie 2011-06-18 <airurando> hmmm can't seem to log into the wiki to modify the reapproval page. <airurando> Is anyone else having trouble with the wiki? <Ubuntu-rosa> hello <delcoyote> hello Ubuntu-rosa <Ubuntu-rosa> hello <Ubuntu-rosa> I want to display for a given partition users who are about to use this partition <Ubuntu-rosa> i can use lsof <Ubuntu-rosa> i want extract all the users the problem is that there isn't a sÃ©parator in the results of lsof , not the same case as the file passwd <delcoyote> Ubuntu-rosa, I'm the last person to ask I have a big L in my back, but this might be useful <delcoyote> http://www.daniweb.com/software-development/shell-scripting/threads/160492 <delcoyote> or this <delcoyote> http://linux.byexamples.com/archives/265/a-complete-zenity-dialog-examples-2/ <czajkowski> Aloha <Ubuntu-rosa> thank you for the links <delcoyote> I hope they were useful, no problem <delcoyote> Dia dhuit czajkowski <czajkowski> tdr112: ping #ubuntu-ie 2011-06-19 <tdr112> czajkowski: ping <tdr112> working yesterday and today at takethat wont be online email me <czajkowski> takethat <czajkowski> lol <czajkowski> o dear <czajkowski> have fun <czajkowski> :) <airurando> evening <czajkowski> airurando: howdy <airurando> hi czajkowski. <airurando> if you've time could you take a look at the bottom of http://pad.ubuntu-ie.org/reapproval-roughwork <czajkowski> sure <airurando> I'm just trying to throw together a roadmap <airurando> don't want to complicate it or promise too much. <airurando> just want to stipulate what we hope to do. <czajkowski> done <czajkowski> how does that look <airurando> fabulous <airurando> thanks <airurando> now wondering if tdr112 is around or still at croke park <airurando> czajkowski: will we know about blacknight before Tuesday? <czajkowski> yeah i just need to ask michele <czajkowski> and I need ebel to let me know the dns stuff so I can file the RT <czajkowski> airurando: he's at take that <airurando> ha ha <airurando> are they on tonight as well? * airurando is out of touch. <airurando> thought it was just sat <czajkowski> n idea sorry <airurando> czajkowski: I think I'll send that raw roadmap to the mailing list looking for feedback. <airurando> good idea / bad idea? <czajkowski> ok <czajkowski> we cant get the site up and running till ebel tells me the dns stuff <airurando> thats no problem <airurando> this is a roadmap <czajkowski> o <czajkowski> k <czajkowski> bah <czajkowski> typing with one hand <airurando> ohh. whats wrong with the other hand? <czajkowski> oh was just multi tasking <airurando> Phew, thats good. <airurando> e-mail sent.... #ubuntu-ie 2011-06-20 <tdr112> morning all <tdr112> can anyone else log into the wiki <delcoyote> link? <delcoyote> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrishTeam this one tdr112 ? <delcoyote> waiting............. <delcoyote> I guess is not leting me in <tdr112> its working now again <delcoyote> not here tdr112 <delcoyote> it could be me also I'm an anti-login person <delcoyote> Reason: Error reading from remote server <delcoyote> check it later, brb <czajkowski> morning <czajkowski> wiki.u.c is haing issues <delcoyote> lol <czajkowski> more of an issue than a lol :s <czajkowski> migration issues <delcoyote> lol czajkowski : <delcoyote> http://www.adverts.ie/other-sports-fitness/free-parachute/668542 <delcoyote> still trying to login <czajkowski> well yes it will do <czajkowski> they are working on it <delcoyote> sure no problem.. :-) <czajkowski> but at present they know wiki.u.c is slow and is rendering some pages/parts <delcoyote> no bother i'll try later instead.. <delcoyote> free parachute haha <delcoyote> working <airurando> ebel you about? <ebel> airurando: yo <airurando> We still have a couple of pics on the approval page not showing <airurando> I think they are yours <airurando> I reckon just one line of images on the application page per release party would look best <ebel> what's the link to the page again? <airurando> Ing I am on my phone <airurando> Could you check meeting logs for June 15th <ebel> have it <ebel> 2 secs <airurando> Also if you get a chance could you look at the draft roadmap is sent out yesterday. <airurando> slashtom and tdr112 <airurando> What do you two think of the draft roadmap. <airurando> Thanks ebel <airurando> BTW that Ing above should have been Ohh :) <airurando> Must get back to work now. <airurando> Talk later <czajkowski> ebel: got that info for me to log the rt <ebel> not yet. one thing occured to me with the proposed server move <ebel> the ubuntu-ie.org would be 'offline' for a few days. wasn't sure if everyone was aware of that and was gonna email list about that <czajkowski> nods <ebel> ubuntu wiki is slooooow <czajkowski> yeah its being migrated <ebel> so is it offline? <ebel> and by slow I mean, i can't log in <czajkowski> its online just slow to render <ebel> yeah <tdr112> evening <airurando> evening <czajkowski> hows folks <airurando> good now <airurando> no feedback on roadmap from anyone makes me sad :( <airurando> I do wish we had more input <airurando> Still I'll add it to the agenda <airurando> and let folks edit it if they want <airurando> Ill fluff the hosting sponsorship provider <czajkowski> it looks good <czajkowski> really <airurando> going to delete the non functioning flickr links and reduce each release party set on thumbnails to a single line <czajkowski> nods <czajkowski> ok <airurando> done with it. <airurando> checkers welcome <airurando> ;) <czajkowski> I love our wiki page <czajkowski> so we just need to add the roadmap <airurando> its there isn't it <airurando> wiki is acting strange <airurando> I can see the roadmap on the approval page <czajkowski> oh I am blind <czajkowski> looks fab <airurando> I can get to the loco council agenda page but when I go to edit I just get a blank. <airurando> frustrating <czajkowski> yeah the wiki is being messed up <airurando> are extra privileges required for the LoCo agenda page? <czajkowski> nope <czajkowski> there is an issue on the wiki <czajkowski> they've been fixing it all day <airurando> czajkowski could you just log in and check if you can edit the agenda? <czajkowski> trying <czajkowski> but having issues <czajkowski> poking canonical is now <airurando> when I go to edit I just get the single line in the edit box which states: <airurando> <<Include(LoCoCouncil/Agenda)>> <airurando> hit preview and its all there <airurando> boggles the mind <czajkowski> yeah cayse you have to edit it that way <czajkowski> let me try <airurando> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncilAgenda <airurando> thats the page I hit the edit button on. <czajkowski> whats rory wiki page <czajkowski> fixiging it now <airurando> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/rorymcc <czajkowski> done <airurando> how the heck did you do that <airurando> well done by the way <czajkowski> it's just slow <czajkowski> and fixing the formatting now <airurando> ebels link is a bit messed up <czajkowski> fixing it as we speak <czajkowski> fixed <airurando> just had Jackie give our application the once over and she approves :) <czajkowski> :D <airurando> czajkowski thanks for sorting out the agenda it was driving me scatty <czajkowski> np <airurando> now to remind folk about tomorrows meeting on social network outlets. <airurando> hey ebel <ebel> yo <airurando> could you look over the application <ebel> i tried to fix the wiki earlier, but wiki.u.c is malfunctioning <ebel> i'l look again <airurando> I'm finished with it <czajkowski> there was a migration happening <czajkowski> seems to be ok <czajkowski> bit slow <airurando> czajkowski has added it to the agenda of tomorrows meeting <ebel> seems better now <airurando> what do you think of the roadmap? <ebel> looks pretty good <czajkowski> :d <ebel> w.u.c still being a bit silly... <czajkowski> 21:35 -!- Topic for #canonical-sysadmin: Known issues: Wiki.ubuntu.com favicon || Vanguard: tiaz || RT: https://rt.ubuntu.com/ (use "login with SSO") || Although we idle here, please mail requests to mailto:ihodge@example.net <czajkowski> 21:35 -!- Topic set by charlieS [~ihodge@example.net] [Mon Jun 20 20:43:49 2011] * airurando is feverishly spamming identi.ca and twitter looking for support. <czajkowski> :D <czajkowski> well hopefuly the mailing list wil lget a few more <czajkowski> we only need a handful <czajkowski> just loooks good <czajkowski> and at the end of the day canonical are sprinting here again for the 2nd time <czajkowski> which is good <ebel> we need to post asking for cheerleaders for the re-approval meeting <ebel> canonical lad emailed TOG, some want to stop in <czajkowski> nods <airurando> ebel: working on that email now <czajkowski> airurando: ebel tdr112 once ye have the info for the drinks meet up and the tog stuff can you let me know as the Linaro folks want to join also <airurando> czajkowski: I think tdr112 has that sorted <airurando> porter house I think <ebel> linaro? <airurando> he can confirm all. <ebel> tdr112 knows more about the tog stuff <czajkowski> http://www.linaro.org/ <czajkowski> so linaro have many canonical folks working for them and partnering with them <czajkowski> the sprint in Dublin is <czajkowski> launhcpad <czajkowski> platform <czajkowski> and linaro <ebel> ah <airurando> final call for support has been sent to the mailing list. <airurando> Phew <airurando> glad thats done <czajkowski> :) <airurando> ebel: if you plug it on the mailing list also it would help. Your call for support would have more weight. <ebel> when's the loco council meeting tomorrow? (WUC is down) <ebel> is it on #ubuntu-loco-council ? <ebel> oh 10pm irish time <ebel> 21:00 UTC <czajkowski> 8pm UTC <czajkowski> 9pm <czajkowski> 8pm UTC = 9pm <ebel> ah yes <ebel> I only read the first part of the first line :P <czajkowski> cant figure out how to make a web link to the channel ubuntu-meeting <ebel> and #ubuntu-meeting <ebel> http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#ubuntu-ie like this? <czajkowski> yeah maybe post that to the list <testebel> i is on teh interwebz <czajkowski> right nn <ebel> i will do <ebel> night czajkowski <ebel> email sent <airurando> good stuff ebel <airurando> night all #ubuntu-ie 2011-06-21 <tdr112> morning <ebel> morning <slashtom> good morning <czajkows1i> aloha <tdr112> how would i save the output of say lspci into a file <tdr112> pipe and then touch <tdr112> echo <tdr112> ? <davem> lspci > filename.txt <davem> >> if you want to append it to the file and not overwrite the existing content <tdr112> ah thanks i was over thinking it with pipe <sidetap> hi <ebel> hello <sidetap> hows is thing in ireland? <sidetap> things <sidetap> there are not many jobs in ireland? <tdr112> its just started to rain <sidetap> i am from uk <tdr112> sidetap: lots of IT jobs <ebel> lots of technical, it, programming and sysadmin jobs in ireland <sidetap> u dont have electronic jobs? <sidetap> all the factories went abroad? <sidetap> electronic factories <tdr112> well intel are hiring like mad <tdr112> a new fab is coming online soon <sidetap> where is intel? <sidetap> dublin? <tdr112> just outside of dublin <sidetap> i am a electronic engineer <sidetap> who here is a programmer? <sidetap> whats the best language to start with python <sidetap> for ubuntu <sidetap> i was studying c++ * ebel is a software guy <ebel> sidetap: what do you want to do? Some languages are better for some tasks than others <sidetap> not sure <slashtom> at the electronic engineer level, C or C++ would be more useful <sidetap> i want to be good at ubuntu use the shell terminal more <ebel> sysadmining! <ebel> That's less programming, and more learning about the system, and how to make it do things. <ebel> e.g. setting up and maintaining a web server, file server, vpn server, email server etc. <sidetap> i was using c++ for programming pic chips yes <sidetap> i should study python then? <sidetap> bash commands are python? <ebel> no, bash commands are in.... well bash <ebel> You can programme in bash <ebel> "bash scripts" (also called "shell scripts", or "shell scripting") <ebel> it's good for simple programming, but for more complex programming (i.e. writing actual programme, you'll need something better) <sidetap> thats looks like a big intel factory in ireland i looked at the website <sidetap> its in kildare <ebel> in leixlip? that's about a 60 min bus ride from dublin <sidetap> yeah <sidetap> inever knew irealnd had a big factorylike that <sidetap> most electronic factories went to poland and europe places <sidetap> cheap labour <sidetap> around 2000 <sidetap> intel stayed <sidetap> ? <ebel> dell used to have a large assembly plant in limerick, but that closed a few years ago <ebel> I think the intel one is chip manufactueror, so it's high tech stuff <moylan> the intel plant is so big they use bikes to get around and it isn't easy just to move a clean fab plant. my company once sold an amd computer to intel. our proudest moment! :-) <ebel> There is a lot of pharmacutical manufactors in ireland <sidetap> u work for amd? <sidetap> allmy computers are amd i like amd <sidetap> athlon chips <moylan> nope. just the ast computers we sold then had amd. we sold to security company who needed a pc to log events on site. <sidetap> i like the new phenom i want one <sidetap> phenom amd is the new chip <sidetap> i read <sidetap> where was the dell factory? <sidetap> dublin also? <moylan> dell were in bray co.wicklow <ebel> no, dell's call centre is/was in bray, co. wicklow, but their assebly plant was in limerick <ebel> (in co. limerick) <moylan> whoops ebel is correct. i just knew a ton of folk who worked in the bray plant. <moylan> some even sent to poland to train their successors. <sidetap> repair the money is in repair work <ebel> The money is in programming. <ebel> There is a massive demand for programmers/sysadmins. <ebel> there are more jobs than workers <sidetap> programming what? <sidetap> example? <sidetap> hence i am not a programmer <ebel> anything. <ebel> I do web programming (and have done linux sysadmining) <sidetap> java is web? <ebel> yeah <sidetap> would u work in a team <ebel> depends <ebel> if you're in a small company (e.g. like I am now), then there are other developers, but you are working mostly on your own stuff <ebel> sorta <sidetap> uh <sidetap> so <sidetap> ubuntu is big in ireland? <sidetap> not many people in here <sidetap> every one like windows ? <ebel> it's much like the UK <sidetap> yeah <sidetap> most people like windows <sidetap> orapple <sidetap> apple <sidetap> every one has a mac book <sidetap> ha ha <sidetap> i like the 15inch mac book pro <sidetap> at a wooping 1600 quid its not worth it <sidetap> theres not many jobs here in the uk <sidetap> australia has millions ofjobs <ebel> hard to get into <sidetap> why hard? <ebel> and lots of people go there and have to work in farms. it's like cheap white slave labour. <sidetap> ha ha <sidetap> nooooo <ebel> You can't just move there, like you can in EU. You need someone to sponsor you, etc. I think. <sidetap> skills shortage lists <sidetap> go google it <sidetap> installing software ubuntu <sidetap> how do u do it manually <sidetap> a lot of software is not packaged <sidetap> self installable <czajkowski> tdr112: you alive ? <airurando> evening all <airurando> are we ready? <czajkowski> 45 min to go :) <czajkowski> airurando: made one tweak to the app <airurando> me too <airurando> what was yours? <czajkowski> :) <czajkowski> added the twitter/identi.ca ac <airurando> lovely <czajkowski> what you do <airurando> mine: we had referenced 2010 for UGJ Limerick when in fact it was 2011 <airurando> also a few spellings <czajkowski> nods <czajkowski> cool <airurando> howdy jpich <czajkowski> jpich: aloha <jpich> Hulloh <jpich> Did I miss the thingie thing or is it later? <czajkowski> in 30 mins time it
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