#ubuntu-us-tn 2011-06-01 <vychune> hey guys <Unit193> Howdy, vychune <wrst> howdy vychune, Unit193 <Unit193> I should now say howdy to wrst... <wrst> ha ha Unit193 how are you doing? <Unit193> wrst: Not too much. Just got back from a meeting and played with my bots so now I'm going to watch reruns of Dr Who :D <Unit193> Doing much? <wrst> nope just baby sitting and about to get ready to wind down for the night <vychune> o/ <cyberanger> http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/raspberry-pi-tiny-computer-runs-linux <cyberanger> intresting device <chris4585> wrst, are you around? <chris4585> it feels fantastic to be on gnome-shell / ubuntu <Unit193> chris4585: How are you working with that (I know of two ways to do it) <chris4585> I upgraded to 11.10 and installed gnome-shell from the repositories, I had to set it up, but it works <chris4585> I'm surprised it even worked, the original install was 10.10, upgraded to 11.04 and then again to 11.10 * exodus_ms is reminded of the lyrics "hello hello, is there anybody out there... <chris4585> http://i.imgur.com/w4RnA.png <wrst> chris4585: nice <chris4585> wrst, I didn't imagine that awn would work so nicely with GS with the right configuration <wrst> how does everything work on ubuntu? looks like its going well? <chris4585> yes actually.. no hiccups <chris4585> at first it was ugly... with no gtk3 themes on my install I went and found a decent one to use <chris4585> I removed unity / unity-2d and only really using gnome-shell <chris4585> honestly from what I've used so far from it, its worked really well, better than unity in 11.04 <chris4585> I just can't wait for more updates lol <wrst> chris4585: I just really dislike unity :/ <chris4585> right now with my setup I almost can't tell the difference between gnome2 and gnome3/shell <chris4585> on the surface anyway <wrst> cool * wrst heads to work be back in 30 <chris4585> nvidia-current works with gnome-shell and actually seems to run better than what I usually use with compiz <chris4585> alright, I need to get some sleep <wrst> chris4585: I've found nvidia to work well with gnome 3 <chris4585> ah thats good <chris4585> so far no crashes or anything <wrst> no none that's on my desktop <wrst> on my laptop that I just got with intel it works perfectly also and wasn't bad with my really cheap ati card in my old now deceased laptop <chris4585> I'm really liking gnome3, the more I've used it tonight the more it feels just like gnome2 <wrst> well the more I use it the mroe it feels better chris4585 but I've always used it pretty vanilla <Xpistos> morning all <Unit193> Howdy, Xpistos! <wrst> Xpistos, Unit193 good morning <Xpistos> Hello Unit193 wrst et all <wrst> Xpistos: how are things going? <Xpistos> just fixing my comic book collection <Xpistos> and if you haven't used it team Viewer is great for windows and linux <Unit193> Heh, TeamViewer for linux is actually wine <wrst> Unit193: ewww <Svpernova09> o/ <wrst> morning Svpernova09 <vychune> o/ <cyberanger> Unit193: a very nice implementation in wine, but it's still giving issues more often than true linux code <Unit193> cyberanger: I understand it isn't bad. I just had to comment about it :D <cyberanger> Unit193: it's bad enough <cyberanger> and same here ;-) <Unit193> x11vnc seems to be my friend (And fixes the xfce-terminal bell) <cyberanger> I didn't think the bell was broken (ubuntu just tried very very hard to gut it) <Unit193> Xubuntu doesn't seem to like the bell, when I tried to enable it, I had no luck. I now figured out that if I vnc in, the bell works! Figure that one out.... <wrst> good morning cyberanger <wrst> hey exodus_ms! <exodus_ms> hey wrst <wrst> how are you doing? long time no see, hope all is going well <exodus_ms> going pretty good, stayn busy with my daughters and work mostly. hows everything your way? <wrst> doing very well exodus_ms, by your IP looks like you are online <exodus_ms> a little connection issues there. ghosted 'exodus_ms' and reconnected. but cant seem to ghost exodusMS because its not registered <wrst> oh just meant exodus_ms that you have an ISP again thought you went a period of phone only <exodus_ms> i just switched backed to my phone, was using a neighbors wifi, they just booted me ;) <exodus_ms> but yeah, i use my phone 90% of the time to connect <exodus_ms> unless there is an open wifi then i connect to it <wrst> well they shouldn't leave their wifi open :) <exodus_ms> thats how i took it, almost like an invite for sharing internet <exodus_ms> :D <Unit193> Or just use their WEP connection :D <exodus_ms> or just use the default password because their ssid is still named "linksys" ;) <wrst> ha ha exodus_ms yes we have a few of those in my neighborhood... I woudl be no good to you as I have mine well reasonably sedure I guess if WPA 2 is still secure? <exodus_ms> i thinks is kinda sad that alot of folks in my apt complex just plug up their router and go. leaving everything at factory default <exodus_ms> idk wrst cyberanger would be the one to ask on that, im sure someone has figured out how to crack it, but i doubt they live in your area :) <Unit193> Around here, the DSL modems have port 80 open to the outside (with default pass) <wrst> Unit193: that's kinda sad, stupid, etc <exodus_ms> i agree <wrst> but I have phone most phone companies know absolutely nothing about networking <wrst> i'm trying to fix a mess right now that they "helped" me out with <exodus_ms> why does dsl do that with port 80? <exodus_ms> ive seen that with dsl alot <Unit193> http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html :D <exodus_ms> you dont need port 80 unless your hosting a website ect right? <Unit193> 80 = http <exodus_ms> what am i thinking of then, there is a port that you have to have open to host your own site, i remember comcast being kinda weird about me using it etc, idk i cant remember. <exodus_ms> i unplugged for almost a year, didnt mess with a rhonda96@example.net. ive forgotten so much <Unit193> He be gone... That's the correct port... <cyberanger> hey exodus_ms long time no see <exodus_ms> whats up cyberanger how you been? <wrst> exodus_ms: lots of time the router admin can be accessed through that or can on ours here at work <exodus_ms> thnaks wrst I have to be honest, networking is def not my thing, it confuses me to no end lol <electricus> anybody know why my server says on the login screen "bridge-eth0: enabled promiscuous mode" ?? <electricus> and the machine is hosed <wrst> electricus: that sounds like you have a naughty server <electricus> ya.. <wrst> what are you running on it? <electricus> centos * wrst reminds electricus of the name of the channel :P <electricus> haha <wrst> cyberanger: you heard of that ^^^^ issue? <electricus> i think i have a hard drive that's failing <wrst> when you say hosed .... <wrst> ohh <cyberanger> wrst: issue? <wrst> cyberanger: electricus' dirty little server going all promiscuous <electricus> haha <electricus> ya. promiscuous is usually in reference to packet sniffing <wrst> you know anyway we can get her to clean her life up, get off the street, and be a productive member of society again? <electricus> i think it's in reference to vmware though since it's bridging <electricus> and when the drive is failing.. it's throwing that error <wrst> ahh electricus this is a VM? <electricus> the host machine is giving the error <wrst> hmm electricus way out of my league I think cyberanger has done some of that stuff before <wrst> I've done a little bridging but using virtual box and never on a server I always have a mouse pointer at my aid <electricus> i'm going to try smartctl <electricus> i have a suspicion that it's a failing hard drive <wrst> backup quickly :) <electricus> oh.. it could be failing nic too <wrst> cyberanger: don't you think installing ubuntu server would fix him ? ;) <electricus> i may try ubuntu server <wrst> electricus: i really like it for a simpleton like me its really easy, upgrades easy to the next version if you want to etc <wrst> I actually like ubuntu server for what I do better than I like ubuntu desktop <electricus> cool <wrst> i use mine for a file/print server and also for quassel and various other little odds and ins and have pretty much zero issues other than when I used LVM and with only one disk that was silly <electricus> the only reason i use centos.. is because it's free rhel <wrst> I looked at it once... pretty old and stale <electricus> and commercial linux software usually depends on rhel.. from my experience <wrst> but that's the point I suppose :) <electricus> ya.. you got that rightt <wrst> I imagine its pretty good I looked at the desktop version of it, and really wasn't impressed but it really shouldn't be a good desktop I suppose <cyberanger> wrst: might, as long as there isn't a limitation <wrst> cyberanger: I think I may get on the 11.10 (I can't remember how to say or spell the code name) bus pretty early as I'm not too happy with unity since it has gnome3 going <electricus> ya.. i hate centos/rhel <electricus> the software is about 2yrs old it seems like <electricus> in every release <electricus> and yeah.. you would never want to run a cento/rhel desktop <electricus> yuck <electricus> but it's super stable #ubuntu-us-tn 2011-06-02 <Unit193> wrst: You could take a look at K/X/Lubuntu, they are all nice! <wrst> Unit193: i'm a gnome guy, kde and me just don't get along at all :) <wrst> and I run arch on my laptop with gnome 3 and really loving it <Unit193> I'm currently using L and X (May add K later) <cyberanger> electricus: except the lack of bugfixes making it exploitable <cyberanger> and cpanel is kinda limiting <electricus> i'm sorry.. i've been researching.. <electricus> regarding what? <cyberanger> centos, rehl <cyberanger> freebsd <cyberanger> and small versions <wrst> Unit193: i think lubuntu has a lot of upside, x just isn't very light and kde well its good its pretty but just not for me <Unit193> wrst: I really like Lubuntu and Xubuntu isn't bad, I'm just no fan of Gnome/Unity... <wrst> Unit193: I really like GNOME... now Unity, I'm not such a fan <Unit193> wrst: Do you think you will look at/like Unity2D? I still haven't gone masochist and tried Unity <wrst> not really Unit193, I mean Unity may mature into something good but its not there yet <wrst> to me gnome shell is so far ahead it isn't funny <chris4585> I basically share a portion of wrst's brain <chris4585> wrst, do you have any idea how to change the windows buttons placement in GS? I've tried gconf-editor but it only takes effect in gnome3 failback <wrst> chris4585: I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised eventually if there is not an extension for that. <chris4585> well I seem to remember I didn't have that problem on fedora <chris4585> morning <chris4585> I now prefer them to be on the left <wrst> chris4585: good morning <wrst> chris4585: looks like you have tried this? http://geekum.wordpress.com/2011/05/25/how-to-move-close-button-in-debian-gnome-shell-to-left-like-ubuntu/ <electricus> anybody want to try this out: http://www.voypi.com/ <electricus> looks pretty cool <electricus> you could save a lot of your minutes and texts <wrst> morning electricus <electricus> i wonder how this got approved by nazi apple? <wrst> electricus: what do you really think about apple? :) <wrst> hmm cool <electricus> they make nice and expensive stuff and they are nazis worse than microsoft <wrst> agreed <electricus> having said that.. i emphasize they make really nice stuff <wrst> they do make nice stuff electricus, but over priced and still made in china <electricus> oh really? <electricus> i didn't realize that <electricus> booh <wrst> the laptop I just purchased has same/better specs than my wife's made in china shiney macbook but my made in china piece cost 475 while heres would be 1500 bucks <wrst> electricus: i think its made in china certainly not made in usa <electricus> hmm .. i would question that <electricus> the reason it's so expensive leads me to believe it's not <wrst> yes they are <wrst> just checked :) <electricus> ah man <electricus> is there any computer equip that's not these days? <wrst> don't think so <wrst> electricus: all sorts fo thse forum links out there: http://forums.macnn.com/69/mac-notebooks/339175/are-all-macbooks-made-in-china/ <wrst> electricus: but pretty much everything else is so I'm not going to be critical of apple for doing it <wrst> electricus: did you get your dirty girl network card fixed? <electricus> ya.. <electricus> it wasn't the nic.. it's a failing drive i'm pretty sure <electricus> i've got to get a replacement at lunch today <electricus> it's not crashed totally yet.. but showing signs .. <wrst> atleast it is showing signs that is nice <wrst> wb Unit193 <wrst> and wb electricus <Unit193> wrst: Thanks! I can't stand it when the wireless card stops working... (Shouldn't be using wireless, but it doesn't have a wired port) <wrst> wireless is just too handy Unit193 <Unit193> It's a desktop :P (And a very old rhonda96@example.net...) <electricus> yeah.. i'm now a member of launchpad.net/~tennessee.team <wrst> ahh and know NIC <wrst> *no <electricus> well..i'm probably pending <wrst> electricus: I might just take care of that for you <electricus> i'm trying to get pricew in here too <wrst> electricus: haven't seen you yet but launchpad has been a little slow for me the last few days <wrst> electricus: that would be cool if you coudl get him in here we could have a nice cookeville upper cumberland presence * wrst is tired of all the memphians :D <electricus> yeah <orias> :( <wrst> ha ha orias :) <wrst> really we like the memphians ;) <Unit193> Remember not to share your Netflix account ;) <wrst> Unit193: i heard that on the news today...so I guess when my wife watches something I need to close my eyes? <Unit193> wrst: If it's her account, you must close your eyes AND cover your ears! <wrst> that seemed a little well... crazy <wrst> and I guess she will not be able to listen to any music i downlaod via amazon <Unit193> Eh, I don't know how bad it really is... They might figure it out if you're logged in from two locations :D <wrst> yeah you would think they would already have that precaution in place <wrst> hello pricew_ I think I've seeen you before ;) <electricus> hello pricew_ :-) <pricew_> hey uys <pricew_> hey guys <Unit193> Howdy! <electricus> i find ubuntu people are generally nice <wrst> well electricus I'm a real jerk but everyone else here is cool <electricus> ah ha.. :-) <Unit193> I'm mean too... <electricus> ya you're a real trouble-maker wrst <pricew_> wrst: at least you are honest. :) <wrst> well I do what I can <wrst> :) <pricew_> wrst: I keep hitting refresh, but I still only see Welcome to nginx! You need to work a little faster. :) <wrst> pricew_: yes i tried taht and still getting nothing... may have to take this up when i get home, or I may have done something stupid that is highly likely also <pricew_> http://code.google.com/p/bigbluebutton/wiki/FAQ#Can_I_provide_external_access_to_a_BigBlueButton_server_behind_m <wrst> I've been using vnc to try it locally from home also <wrst> it currently says its restarting... and it will take a minute... evidently minutes :) <Unit193> Or you could SSH tunnel in and make a proxy :) <Unit193> Alpha 1 is out! (So the person I can't seem to remember can upgrade ;) ) <wrst> pricew_: seems to be stuck trying to start <wrst> Unit193: I may upgrade to see what gnome 3 is like and unity on top of it <pricew_> wrst: hmmm. The web server seems to be up. <Unit193> wrst: It's still going to be broken like crazy! (And gnome 3 is broken) <wrst> yeah i see apache and tomcat starting but i get that big blue button is starting <wrst> oh yeah Unit193 I generally start with alpha 1 or 2 <wrst> that's half the fun <wrst> pricew_: i'm just going to wait it out for a while and see what happens :) <wrst> electricus: did you try to become a member here? https://launchpad.net/~tennessee.team <electricus> yes <electricus> i logged in and everything <electricus> i guess i'm a member <wrst> hmm I haven't seen anything yet <wrst> it has to be approved, and you don't show in the list, care to double check? <wrst> pricew_: I may have found my problem I am running in virtual box not in vm player, and I need to change some settings... that will be a job for tonight <electricus> ok <electricus> http://postimage.org/image/1x89wzwtg/ <electricus> see wrst. i'm logged in <wrst> yeah electricus but did you request to join in the ubuntu-tn team? <wrst> electricus: i added you ;) <electricus> ah.. i see <wrst> electricus: launchpad is host to many many projects and memberships etc <wrst> pricew_: got it working locally <wrst> i had it configured under the wrong IP *facepalm* <pricew_> I can relate. <chris4585> wrst, thank you that worked :D sorry for the delay I was asleep lol <pricew_> wrst: http://code.google.com/p/bigbluebutton/wiki/InstallationUbuntu#Change_the_Server's_IP <wrst> good chris4585, so you have left hand buttons now? <chris4585> yep <chris4585> I forgot that the gconf entry was under shell... not metacity <wrst> pricew_: got it all going now, thanks <pricew_> You need to feed the hamster powering your server. It's running slow. :) <electricus> pricew_: been doing anything lately with bbb? <pricew_> electricus: yes we had our first Virtual Small group today. They are wanting another one tomorrow so they can invite friends. <electricus> i was thinking about letting the person running the slides at church just connect to a bbb server and use the church camera feed and slides <pricew_> I think that would be cool. <wrst> pricew_: I need better internet. <electricus> ya.. people could check out church without actually having to go.. and you could chat with them too while they are in there in real time with the service <pricew_> yup <electricus> we thought about u-stream and stuff like that.. but i'm not so sure you would want that advertising and stuff associated with your u-stream page <electricus> bbb.. would make it totally vanilla or better yet, integrate it into our joomla site <electricus> i just haven't had time to mess around with it yet <pricew_> electricus: integrate with Joomla is about 3 clicks <electricus> so do you have a screen shot of what that looks like in joomla pricew_? <pricew_> electricus: see pm <electricus> that's cool <electricus> in joomla .. you log into the admin console and go to plugins and just upload the zip file? <pricew_> yup <wrst> pricew_: that is some cool stuff <pricew_> a module and a plugin <electricus> so you have to have a full lamp box for bbb? <pricew_> Right now I'm using their test server. I can build a ec2 box in about 5 minutes. <electricus> i think our web site is a dedicated host on amazon too.. so we could run bbb along side of joomla? <pricew_> Yea. It may be better for a separate host so you don't have to mess with the ports, though. <pricew_> You can try it out with their test server. <electricus> ah i see <pricew_> http://blindsidenetworks.com/integration#joomla <vychune> hey guiys <pricew_> ttyl time to head home <wrst> later pricew_ #ubuntu-us-tn 2011-06-03 <pace_t_zulu> hey guys <pace_t_zulu> sorry i've been MIA for a few days <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger wrst vychune chris4585 electricus elijah-m` Juzzy orias Svpernova09 ... ping ... reminder that our monthly meeting starts in an hour and a half <vychune> oh ok didnt even notice <orias> always scheduling it for when I'm driving home :0 <vychune> lol <Unit193> I get a meeting? Cool! <Unit193> wrst: Did you read up to where I was talking with cyberanger? <wrst> cyberanger: should hopefully be here <wrst> uhh pace_t_zulu i should hopefully be here :) <pace_t_zulu> wrst: haha * wrst is babysitting <vychune> lol <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: ping <pace_t_zulu> who do we have here ... vychune orias Unit193 ? wrst ??? <vychune> present <pace_t_zulu> vychune: looks like its you and me <pace_t_zulu> right now <vychune> lol <pace_t_zulu> typically we wait for others to arrive ... <pace_t_zulu> but we started doing that when the meeting time was 8 eastern / 7 central ... <pace_t_zulu> here we are at 8:30 eastern / 7:30 central ... and looking to push things back again <pace_t_zulu> i'm going to ping everyone and then start the meeting <vychune> well thats life sometime <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger wrst vychune chris4585 electricus elijah-m` Juzzy orias Svpernova09 ... ping ... meeting <pace_t_zulu> vychune: sorry you were in that ... copy-paste from above <wrst> pace_t_zulu: here more or less still baby sitting on my phone <pace_t_zulu> #startmeeting <MootBot> Meeting started at 19:32. The chair is pace_t_zulu. <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] <pace_t_zulu> o/ <vychune> pricew <vychune> o/ <vychune> so what now lol <wrst> \o <pace_t_zulu> wrst ... mind raising your hand ? <pace_t_zulu> there we go <wrst> :) <pace_t_zulu> so it seems appropriate that we ack chibi ... bless him <vychune> rip <wrst> agreed <vychune> hows his bro? <wrst> I don't know <pace_t_zulu> neither do i <vychune> and is a tribute on the website yet? <pace_t_zulu> vychune: seems not <vychune> oh ok <wrst> good idea that can happen <wrst> pace_t_zulu: I could get with cyberanger on that <pace_t_zulu> anyone have a proposal for an appropriate way to pay tribute to chibi? <vychune> photo montoge? lol <wrst> I would think a nice post maybe with the meetup pic? <pace_t_zulu> wrst: who knew chibi the best ... <wrst> cyberanger. did <wrst> I think <pace_t_zulu> regretfully, i did not get to know him as well as i wish i could have <wrst> great guy <vychune> same here pace <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i know cyberanger did meet him in person <wrst> yes <wrst> I talked with him a lot here <pace_t_zulu> [topic] how to appropriately pay tribute to chibihogoshino <MootBot> New Topic: how to appropriately pay tribute to chibihogoshino <pace_t_zulu> [idea] a nice post on ubuntu-tennessee.org including photo of chibi from meetup <MootBot> IDEA received: a nice post on ubuntu-tennessee.org including photo of chibi from meetup <pace_t_zulu> wrst: yea, i definitely talked to him often ... i guess i just don't feel like i got to know his personality like i know you cyberanger xpistos ... etc <wrst> maybe a link to the obituary? <vychune> we were anime buds on here <wrst> yeah know what you mean <pace_t_zulu> wrst: do you have a link? <vychune> nice one wrst <pace_t_zulu> [idea] include a link to chibi's obituary on post <MootBot> IDEA received: include a link to chibi's obituary on post <pace_t_zulu> wrst: +1 <vychune> lol <wrst> pace_t_zulu: no but sure we can find one <wrst> will look when I get off my phone <pace_t_zulu> wrst: my preliminary searches are coming up empty <wrst> bummer <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i will go ahead and start this post on the website ... i cannot stand the thought of us discussing this without following through <vychune> amen to that <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i will use cyberanger's email as the basis <wrst> great I agree <wrst> yes another good idea <pace_t_zulu> [idea] go ahead and start post on website paying tribute to chibi ... it can be a work in progress ... but it must go up <MootBot> IDEA received: go ahead and start post on website paying tribute to chibi ... it can be a work in progress ... but it must go up <vychune> what was his email? <pace_t_zulu> soliciting suggestions for the post title <vychune> ubuntu TN remembers chibihogoshino <pace_t_zulu> vychune: +1 <vychune> ty ty <wrst> yep good and simple <vychune> http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/wp-content/uploads/DSC07938.jpg <MootBot> LINK received: http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/wp-content/uploads/DSC07938.jpg <vychune> which one is chibi? <vychune> hellloooooooooooooooo <pace_t_zulu> wrst: vychune ... here is my initial draft <pace_t_zulu> http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/?p=300&preview=true <MootBot> LINK received: http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/?p=300&preview=true <vychune> ok <pace_t_zulu> you may need to login ... <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i can pastebin it if it is more convenient on your phone <wrst> pace_t_zulu: no need <vychune> i dont have a login <pace_t_zulu> ok... i'll go ahead an publish it <wrst> I'm sure it is good <vychune> how do i get a login <pace_t_zulu> vychune: wrst http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/uncategorized/300/ <pace_t_zulu> vychune: i'm not sure.... i think i have admin privileges ... lemme check <wrst> well done <vychune> NICE pace_t_zulu <vychune> +1000 <pace_t_zulu> vychune: i can create an account for you <pace_t_zulu> vychune: i'll pm you to get details <pace_t_zulu> vychune: ty * wrst is back on a full keyboard again <vychune> LOL <pace_t_zulu> and we're back <pace_t_zulu> i'm going to make vychune an 'author' for now ... sound right to you wrst? <wrst> sounds good to me pace_t_zulu, and we could use some authors! <pace_t_zulu> vychune: try logging in ... you should also receive an email with the login info <pace_t_zulu> wrst: any idea why the post isn't going to the front page? <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i made it 'Uncategorized' ... perhaps that's why <wrst> pace_t_zulu: my wordpress skills have diminished is there a promote to front page option or is that a drupal thing? <vychune> joomla u mean? :) <wrst> vychune: nope drupal never used joomla <pace_t_zulu> ok ... i added the category 'Meetups' and that got it on the front page <vychune> cool <pace_t_zulu> perhaps this deserves a new category <wrst> looks good pace_t_zulu <vychune> tributes? <vychune> Annocnements <vychune> you know how to spell it lol <pace_t_zulu> vychune: tributes <pace_t_zulu> vychune: i was typing that out as you said it <vychune> oh ok lol <pace_t_zulu> so we have to explicity add categories to the front page <pace_t_zulu> i get the feeling someone perhaps borked this theme <wrst> pace_t_zulu: yeah with wordpress i thought the latest thing always went to front <pace_t_zulu> no <pace_t_zulu> i found it <pace_t_zulu> wrst: http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/wp-admin/options-general.php?page=sticky-front-page-categories-and-tags/home_cat.php <pace_t_zulu> you can set which categories go to the front page <vychune> cool <pace_t_zulu> anyone object to me updating wordpress? <wrst> ahh good to know pace_t_zulu <wrst> if someone volunteers to do work and someone objects the objector should have his tongue cut out :) <pace_t_zulu> wordpress has been updated to 3.1.3 <pace_t_zulu> http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/ <MootBot> LINK received: http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/ <pace_t_zulu> [action] tribute to chibi has been rhonda96@example.net <MootBot> ACTION received: tribute to chibi has been rhonda96@example.net <vychune> \o/ <pace_t_zulu> [idea] welcome members to *respectfully* augment the post <MootBot> IDEA received: welcome members to *respectfully* augment the post <vychune> augment? <pace_t_zulu> vychune: add to it <vychune> oh i posted it to FB btw <wrst> sounds good pace_t_zulu and I think surely the respectfully shouldn't be a problem but certainly needs to be mentioned <pace_t_zulu> [idea] alternatively members can post their own thoughts in the comments section <MootBot> IDEA received: alternatively members can post their own thoughts in the comments section <wrst> pace_t_zulu: that might actually be a better idea <wrst> could get sloppy people editing your post <pace_t_zulu> vychune: you prefer the comments idea as well <vychune> sound good <pace_t_zulu> wrst: yea... i am happy with the post ... appropriate and tasteful ... <wrst> yeah and be bad to mess that up really <pace_t_zulu> yea... i'll see if i can lock it <pace_t_zulu> doesn't look like it can be locked ... <pace_t_zulu> wrst: vychune i will post the same message on the ubuntu tennessee group on facebook <vychune_afk> ok <vychune_afk> brb <wrst> cool pace_t_zulu, you know we really under-utilize facebook * wrst updates to 11.10 so his computer may go up in smoke <pace_t_zulu> i will add a line to the facebook posting to encourage people to leave their comments on ubuntu-tennessee.org <pace_t_zulu> and i'm actually going to change the permalink structure ... the current one is too impersonal <pace_t_zulu> so now the permalink is http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/2011/tributes/ubuntu-tennessee-remembers-chibihogoshino/ <pace_t_zulu> rather than http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/tributes/300/ <wrst> nice <wrst> pace_t_zulu: I gotta run if there is nothing else major <pace_t_zulu> wrst: no worries ... really appreciate you being here <pace_t_zulu> this mattered <pace_t_zulu> *matters <wrst> agreed, I will be back in a few but gotta run just a bit <vychune> Hung system <pace_t_zulu> vychune: wrst ... here is the facebook note: <pace_t_zulu> https://www.facebook.com/notes/ubuntu-tennessee/ubuntu-tennessee-remembers-chibihogoshino/10150213365729329 <pace_t_zulu> [link] https://www.facebook.com/notes/ubuntu-tennessee/ubuntu-tennessee-remembers-chibihogoshino/10150213365729329 <MootBot> LINK received: https://www.facebook.com/notes/ubuntu-tennessee/ubuntu-tennessee-remembers-chibihogoshino/10150213365729329 <pace_t_zulu> [link] http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/2011/tributes/ubuntu-tennessee-remembers-chibihogoshino/ <MootBot> LINK received: http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/2011/tributes/ubuntu-tennessee-remembers-chibihogoshino/ <wrst> nice <pace_t_zulu> [idea] conclude this meeting <MootBot> IDEA received: conclude this meeting <pace_t_zulu> anyone second that motion? <vychune> no <vychune> lol <pace_t_zulu> vychune: something you'd like to add? <vychune> no jk <pace_t_zulu> roger <pace_t_zulu> #endmeeting <MootBot> Meeting finished at 20:30. <vychune> o/ <Unit193> Hmmm... <vychune> WHERE WAS YOUR A** AT?!?!? lol <pace_t_zulu> Unit193: nice timing ;) <Unit193> I was reading... <vychune> read your screen nother bucker lol <Unit193> I was reading the meeting... Nother bucker? <vychune> N=m b=f <Unit193> Hmmm.... <vychune> and the crowd goes boo <pace_t_zulu> nice code breaking vychune <vychune> lol <vychune> ty <Unit193> I was guessing the second... (Not my favorite wording...) <Unit193> As I said, I was here, reading... (Shouldn't comment too much on the first meet and I'm not from around here...) <vychune> oh well good point lol <vychune> excuse my assholeness lol <vychune> night <Unit193> Welcome back! <vychune> GUYS I FOUND CHIBI"S GOOGLE PICS! <vychune> https://picasaweb.google.com/jschwentker77 <vychune> unit193 ty lol <vychune> pace_t_zulu ping <wrst> wb chris4585 <chris4585> thanks <Unit193> Did you two see when I was speaking to cyberang? (Didn't need to ping...) <wrst> Unit193: what was it? <Unit193> <whispers>I don't live in Tennessee</whispers> <wrst> OH NOES <wrst> Unit193: where you from? <Unit193> Ohio (He invited me to stay, if that changes, let me know and I will go) <Unit193> This group seems real nice! <wrst> ha ha Unit193, chris4585 is from FL <wrst> you are always welcome here <chris4585> they aren't getting rid of me anytime soon :D <wrst> no we've tried and he keeps coming back ;) <Unit193> +b would do it :P <wrst> nah <wrst> wouldn't want to do that <wrst> oh chris4585 i just upgraded 11.04 to well whatever 11.10 is called <Unit193> Onriric <Unit193> Heh... Oneiric <chris4585> you know most code names It takes me a while to get use to, but not this one :( <chris4585> wrst, did you try installing gnome-shell? <wrst> well its not correct but i'm just going to call it 11.10 <wrst> i will chris4585 havne't gotten to it yet <chris4585> I completely removed ubuntu-desktop for now <wrst> i'm heading to bed see you guys tomorrow <chris4585> well I've already done it once, need any help just ping me <chris4585> g'night wrst <wrst> will do chris4585 thanks! <Unit193> You could just install from !mini.iso :P <chris4585> yes, yes I could, but it was more fun doing an upgrade <chris4585> I wanted to see the state of unity also <chris4585> I've had this install since 10.10 so its been an interesting ride <Unit193> How is it? (I know it's currently broken) <Unit193> I need to upgrade one box from 10.10... <chris4585> you could say that, right now no controls on the unmaximized desktop, the default theme isn't gtk3 yet so everything looks ugly until you install a gtk3 theme <chris4585> right now I uninstalled unity, and only using gnome-shell and its lovely <chris4585> http://i.imgur.com/1mvJD.jpg <Unit193> Where you here when I was talking about all the DSL modems having 80 open to the world? (Looks nice BTW) <chris4585> I don't think I was, and thanks <Unit193> http://507-653-2812 <Unit193> Connection issues? <vychune> no <vychune> up late i see <vychune> sorry about ragging on you earlier <Unit193> Always... Na, I thought that was a joke? <vychune> it was <Unit193> Then it's all fine! Do you not normally stay up this late? <vychune> no i dont <vychune> its hot in here lol <Unit193> It's only 70 in this room (not too bad...) <vychune> sorry got lost lol <vychune> Unit193? <Unit193> vychune: Yeah? <Unit193> You seem to have changed IPs... <vychune> yeah <vychune> im using a free shell <vychune> why are you up so late? <Unit193> Always am... <Unit193> I have a NinthFloor account <vychune> Shellmix <Unit193> Hmmm... weechat or irssi? <vychune> i hate windows <vychune> stll here man? <Unit193> Yeah... I will be fore a little bit... <Unit193> for <vychune> golfing? lol <Unit193> Disconnected by services ? That's normally done with the ghost command... <vychune> yeah i had to <vychune> closed my window by accident <Unit193> Erm... Fun! ;) <vychune> lol <vychune> what part of tennessee? <Unit193> Ah! You had left by that time! I'm not exactly in Tennessee... <vychune> oh what state <Unit193> Ohio <vychune> wow <vychune> so why ubuntu tn? <Unit193> At first I came to ask about ubotuTN, noticed he wasn't here then cyberanger started talking to me and invited me to stay <vychune> oh ok cool <Unit193> He seemed real nice so I stayed <vychune> ubotuTN? so what that about? <vychune> nevermind <Unit193> ubotuTN is a bot you guys made (From rbot) <vychune> googled it <vychune> they made <vychune> i can't code perl good yet lol <vychune> only 19 <Unit193> Ah! We were working on one and I wanted to know how they inported ubottu factoids <Unit193> It's ruby... <vychune> oh ok cool <vychune> ruby on rails? <Unit193> I don't think so... <vychune> oh ok <vychune> well im in need of shut eye <vychune> nice to meet you and welcome <Unit193> Have a good one! <vychune> night <vychune> o/ <Unit193> Looks like ubotuTN worked better with Launchpad than ubottu does... <Unit193> Howdy, pricew <wrst> Unit193: you never sleep! <pricew_> morning Unit193 <wrst> pricew_: how are you doing/ <wrst> or... doing? <pricew_> Pretty good so far. But it's early. :) <wrst> ha same here pricew_, but its friday <pricew_> Yea, gotta love a short week. <vychune> morning <wrst> pricew_: i absolutely love short weeks! <wrst> morning vychune <wrst> wb pace_t_zulu <electricus> ah.. missed the meeting.. sorry <pace_t_zulu> wrst: had to reboot <pace_t_zulu> electricus: no worries <pace_t_zulu> electricus: the main outcome was this http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/2011/tributes/ubuntu-tennessee-remembers-chibihogoshino/ <electricus> pace_t_zulu: can you give me future meeting info? <pace_t_zulu> electricus: first thursday of the month <pace_t_zulu> 8:30 eastern / 7:30 central <pace_t_zulu> electricus: got that? ^ <electricus> ok. thanks <electricus> pace_t_zulu: where is it physically? <pace_t_zulu> electricus: this monthly meeting is on irc ... in here <electricus> ok <pace_t_zulu> electricus: you can physically be in china ... doesn't matter * pace_t_zulu changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-tn to: Next Meeting July 7th at 8:30 PM EDT/7:30 PM CDT | Welcome to the Ubuntu Tennessee Team IRC Channel | Members add your info http://tr.im/nogt | Ask about our Wiki Jams" <pace_t_zulu> electricus: thanks for pointing out that the topic needed to be changed <pace_t_zulu> wrst: had to reboot the cloud machine <pace_t_zulu> wrst: you know how much the last month cost me for this server? <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: for the obit, might not be in TN, Might be in WV or OH <cyberanger> where family is <cyberanger> (I think he was still on vacation with family in WV when it occured) <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: if you have a link ... we'll definitely add it <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i didn't limit my search for the state of tennessee <cyberanger> sorry I missed the meeting, my paycheck isn't (tough choice, would have preferred both, but the wallet hurt, work used the help) <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: I'll see what I can dig up, or ask his brother * pace_t_zulu changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-tn to: Next Meeting July 7th at 8:30 PM EDT/7:30 PM CDT | Welcome to the Ubuntu Tennessee Team IRC Channel | Members add your info http://tr.im/nogt | Ask about our Wiki Jams <cyberanger> better go <pace_t_zulu> later cyberanger <cyberanger> see you all after I punch out <cyberanger> or maybe on lunch break <wrst> join /#qimo <wrst> hmm * wrst needs to remember how to do basic irc commands :) <cyberanger> wrst: /join #qimo <wrst> thanks cyberanger :P <vychune> lol <wrst> atleast i didn't mess up msg nickserv identify <vychune> LOL <vychune> like i did <cyberanger> lol <cyberanger> better really head out now, lest I txt and drive, don't want to drive all intextifacted <vychune> lol <Juzzy> My bbq: http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/247095_1367762770979_1739005916_588514_6772645_n.jpg <Unit193> Wow... What are you cooking? <Juzzy> pork shoulders <Xpistos> That is good stuff brother <Unit193> Looks to be good! <Juzzy> werd, I'm trying a couple of different ways <Juzzy> one is a mustard + brownsugar maranade <Juzzy> injected with apple juice + brown sugar <Juzzy> should be insanley juicey <electricus> anybody know of a cheap raid+1 mirroring solution for a tower server. I was thinking about getting one of those external inclosures that you could pop a couple sata drives in <Juzzy> why not raid5? <Juzzy> if you wanna do cheap, you can do what I did <Juzzy> I have 4 x 2tb, 20gb (overkill) raid 1 on all drives, the rest is raid5 <Juzzy> then installed grub on all drives <Juzzy> and I'm running software raid for all of it <Juzzy> so no matter what, i can lose any drive and it still boot, no raid controller dependancy, the integrety is good <Juzzy> and you can litterally do that on any mobo with 4 sata ports <pricew> electricus: ever since I had to rebuild a raid 5 drive, I try to stick with mirrored. WAY too stressful for me. :) <electricus> haha.. i could imagine pricew <elijah-m`> pooooork shoulder! great stuff. <Unit193> Now I want food again... <Juzzy> :D~~ <vychune> *looks around* <Unit193> Howdy, vychune <vychune> hey <vychune> hows it going? <Unit193> Blasted Xubuntu computer is having issues.... http://paste.ubuntu.com/617798/ <Unit193> ...Again! Anywho.. How about you? <vychune> boredem rampant <vychune> wheres cyberanger when you need him lol <cyberanger> vychune: work <vychune> oh hey lol <cyberanger> vychune: unfortunately busier than usual, sorry, but hey, helps the wallet <cyberanger> send a pm, I'll try to get to it, even if it winds up being after work, 7PM EDT <vychune> oh i was just messing <electricus> what do you guys think of Sn0wLinuX? <electricus> to me it looks like it just does everything i end up doing to my install in one shot.. <electricus> pretty much saving me 30 to 45 more minutes setting up what I want <electricus> installing and tweaking the interface <vychune> havent seen it <electricus> http://sn0wl1nux.sourceforge.net/ <electricus> basically they're copying snow leapard <Unit193> Can we say Macbuntu? ;) (I'm sure that's better) <Unit193> *That being Sn0wLinuX <elijah-m`> i love their screenshots. they're nice. reminds me of osx, of course. <cyberanger> electricus: I like the cost, beats real snow leopard <cyberanger> but crunchbang is equally cheap, same with arch and debian <Unit193> cyberanger: Have you seen Zenix? It's a Debian respin with openbox+tint2 or Awesome (Done by Bodhi_zazen) #ubuntu-us-tn 2011-06-04 <cyberanger> Unit193: no, I hadn't <Unit193> Does that mean you looked at it now? ;) <cyberanger> Unit193: no, but now I did ;-) <cyberanger> it meant I added it to a list for later <cyberanger> and later was 10 minutes ago ;-) <Unit193> What do you think? <cyberanger> intresting, I've gotten so used to kinda doing my own <cyberanger> Security - Zenix includes an active firewall (iptables configured with GUFW), psad, and fwsnort. <cyberanger> that right there just stands out <Unit193> ...I forgot to give you a link! <Unit193> Did you look at the Awesome page? <cyberanger> sends a mixed message about linux security, but towards my line of thinking <cyberanger> just cause it's as tight as a bank vault, doesn't mean I cannot make it more like fort knox <cyberanger> sorry, should have added, only could find Zenix on google (well, without more digging, I did say 10 minutes) <cyberanger> I did find Bodhi_zazen as a forum member there, but nothing clearly about Awesome, unless you mean the WM <Unit193> http://zenix-os.net/awesome.html <cyberanger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awesome_%28window_manager%29 <cyberanger> ah, that'd be why, ruled out the same domain as zenix <cyberanger> oh, actually, that has been used too (didn't recognize it) went back to OBox shortly after <Unit193> It's not bad... (Not using it as the main, but it's rather nice once you get used to it) <Unit193> Howdy, orias <orias> o/ <orias> how goes it? <Unit193> Not too shabby! * cyberanger yawns <cyberanger> hey orias <orias> o/ <orias> how goes it? <cyberanger> good, you? <orias> pretty good, although not as good as i was <chris4585> I didn't realize such a thing actually existed, http://www.webupd8.org/2011/06/use-classic-menu-in-unity-classicmenu.html <chris4585> unity just needs to be overhauled imo <wrst> i think unity needs to be scrapped <vychune> o/ <cyberanger> wrst: or scuttled, or thrown out like garbage, rubbish, crap <cyberanger> take your pick <cyberanger> chris4585: until they do overhaul it right, and I see it working, I'm gonna lean to scuttling it <cyberanger> partially due to the people that saw this and don't understand it'll get better <cyberanger> the people we won over from vista in 2006 <wrst> cyberanger: we need to keep them on a lts probably <cyberanger> wrst: that'll be worse next lts release though <wrst> hopefully not <cyberanger> on what I read, I'm nervous <orias> has anyone had a good experience with gnome3 on 10.04? <cyberanger> orias: I didn't think gnome3 was released in time for lucid <orias> it's not <orias> but it's installable <wrst> orias: don't bother I tried it on 10.10 the ppa is old and stinks <orias> how bad? <wrst> very if you want gnome 3 now I would go with fedora, or wait until the 11.10 alpha gets everything in it <wrst> unless you really want to do a lot of work <orias> :/ * orias is lazy about that <cyberanger> I would not rule debian out <cyberanger> but wrst seems spot on for fedora and gnome3, but I <3 debian based distros more than the frontends on them <orias> :D <vychune> lol <vychune> cyberanger: fav deb distro? <chris4585> fedora 15 with gnome3 is so.. so nice <vychune> fedora always kernal panics on me <orias> fedora (12) was so unstable and flaky for me, it turned me off of fed #ubuntu-us-tn 2011-06-05 <cyberanger> I just realized something that makes more sense on ubuntu's reason for unity <cyberanger> http://ostatic.com/blog/ubuntu-compromises-on-banshee-revenue-recipients <cyberanger> if they're not using GNOME, and add some time for people to forget about the GNOME foundation <cyberanger> perhaps they'll sneak the affilate code back in <Unit193> They could do that... I would think people would catch it though,,, <cyberanger> but would they care at that point <Unit193> They used Gnome by default so the money went to Gnome. Now that they are using Unity by default, shouldn't the money go to the people that make Unity? (I don't remember how this all went down, I could be totally wrong...) <cyberanger> Unit193: maybe not that smoothly, since I think Banshee and Rythmbox are Gnome Projects <cyberanger> but yeah, and Unity is part of the Ayatana project, an ubuntu project <cyberanger> so idk <Unit193> cyberanger: That's the kicker! Banshee is a Gnome project! Hmmmm <cyberanger> well, that isn't as big a kicker as Ubuntu was using much more gnome code too <cyberanger> GNOME itself, Rythmbox before, Banshee now <cyberanger> Ubuntu One wasn't an issue, but the Amazon mp3 plugin wasn't ubuntu's but gnome foundations <cyberanger> editing an affiliate code is all <cyberanger> that's what seemed to be the really big issue <cyberanger> but if they make a media player to go with unity, or build a plugin for vlc (their code, not videolan's) and switch to vlc (as an example) <cyberanger> and give some time for that issue to be forgotten <cyberanger> (some ways it already has) <cyberanger> but just sorta thinking about it, I sorta se why there may have been a rush for unity now <cyberanger> so Canonical Ltd can get closer to a profit point <cyberanger> if they're the developers, the only distro using it, able to get some revenue from mp3 sales and storage <cyberanger> and also it puts them in a position to be the only paid support option for ubuntu, compared to now at least <cyberanger> idk if that's Canonical Ltd's plan or not, but it sounds plausable #ubuntu-us-tn 2011-06-06 <chris4585> wrst, still awake? <cyberanger> chris4585: dont think wrst is <chris4585> morning cyberanger <wrst> good morning everyone <pricew> morning wrst <wrst> pricew: how are you doing today? <pricew> Pretty good, you? <wrst> yep for a monday... however I do dread trying to get twin lakes to get my internet working, I'm sure that will be a blast <pricew> Not a lot of luck with them? <wrst> well I don't know pricew really the first time I've had an issue that wasn't a system wide thing, I called their tech support over the weekend, and that was useless but expected it to be so <pricew> I can relate. Calling Charter Tech Support is horrible. <wrst> yeah they told me pretty much they would see about it sometime and granted I didn't expect someone to work on it over the weekend but wasn't exactly what I was looking for <pricew> Hopefully it wont be too bad. <wrst> nah they are good guys that do repairs... they just don't know a whole lot :) <Guest68418> morning group <Guest68418> thought I would check and see if anyone else having luck running HRD under Wine. <wrst> http://www.canonical.com/content/asus-new-eee-pc-now-available-ubuntu-operating-system <chris4585> wrst, I found some nice extensions that turn gnome3 similar to gnome2, moves the clock to the right, and removes the dynamic spaces and adds a application menu <wrst> chris4585: I saw those but you know I like it pretty much as is... I did however add a weather extension I had missed that <chris4585> ah, the application menu is rather nice.. I tried to take a screenshot but I got something strange... <wrst> I have seen it very similar to the old oen if I'm not mistaken? <chris4585> well.. the activities changes to applications and when clicked it opens a menu similar to the old one, but adds a twist to it <chris4585> I'd love to show you but taking a screenshot doesn't seem to work right now <wrst> hmm dont know if i have seen that one or not <wrst> cyberanger: hello <cyberanger> hey wrst #ubuntu-us-tn 2011-06-07 <wrst> cyberanger: know any goodisps? <Unit193> wrst: Having issues with yours? <wrst> Unit193: day 3 without internet <Unit193> Baaa... No fun! <wrst> not at all phone is not the same <orias> :( <cyberanger> wrst: nobody specifically to your area, but you could run a few options to fill the void <cyberanger> wrst: what are you thinking? I know isps there, options there, but I've never been there to know if their good <cyberanger> and solutions to plug some gaps <wrst> cyberanger: any option is better than not working <cyberanger> wrst: what's your router (and how are you on irc atm) <wrst> i'm on a buddy of mine's server in PA cyberanger <wrst> my router is a linksys running dd-wrt <wrst> my problem is from the modem back somewhere <wrst> cyberanger: as I have seen from you its always good to have backups ;) <wrst> the guy is at my house right now I'm hoping to see myself reappear <Svpernova09> >.< <Svpernova09> What area are you in wrst ? <wrst> livingston Svpernova09 <wrst> that's in the cookeville area <wrst> I pretty much have DSL option, or an option for a cable company that is just as high and slow as the DSL <wrst> or satellite dial up options <wrst> best I can tell atleast <Svpernova09> ouch <wrst> unless someone knows some great secret :) <wrst> Svpernova09: its a little frustrating :) <cyberanger> wrst: yes, seems to help <Svpernova09> I bet <wrst> If I were in town I could be on comcast they aren't always up but atleast they are always fast <wrst> except when they aren't up but everyone's tech support sucks <cyberanger> wrst: how are you online now, vzw droid? <wrst> I'm at work cyberanger <wrst> last night on my droid <wrst> i tried some tether apps on the droid but no luck I need to root it <cyberanger> wrst: and we aim for high tech support here (and T-Mobile seems to have their stuff down, Virgin Mobile (to a lesser extent) seems good, I know that's celluar, but for a backup option it's worthwhile) <cyberanger> wrst: your droid is sprint or vzw? <wrst> vzw <wrst> cyberanger: who are you working for now? <cyberanger> I'm suprised you hadn't rooted yet, I waited a month, due to the T-Mobile G2's issue with NAND Locking, rooted it shortly after that patch <wrst> cyberanger: really had no reason to... until now :) <Svpernova09> <3 my rooted android <cyberanger> wrst: well, anywhere I work, I aim high, but most stuff is with cooks custom computers <cyberanger> here in town <wrst> ahh you are freelancing? <cyberanger> (still head to chattanooga on occasions, and some other firms, but mainly freelance & cooks custom) <cyberanger> wrst: I rooted for better vpn and proxy support (found enough apps transmitted in the clear, at least over a wifi hotspot, no good) <wrst> cyberanger: cooks looks to be a pretty neat place just gave them the ol' like on facebook <cyberanger> thanks <cyberanger> wrst: well, I'd wait for stable internet before I'd root <cyberanger> do you have a working modem? <wrst> cyberanger: I'm really amazed at the ISP's here how they do not have a person that is solid on networking <wrst> cyberanger: I had one in the laptop that just fried :) <cyberanger> oh, ouch <cyberanger> well, you could get a usb modem with virgin mobile, should be cheaper now, but not too cheap <cyberanger> prepaid, I set that up as my fallback <cyberanger> and my G2 is my primary
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