#ubuntu-mozillateam 2007-09-01 <asac> Ubulette: do we install pkg-config files? <asac> e.g. xulrunner-xpcom.pc ? <Ubulette> hmm, not this one <asac> hmm <asac> where are those? <Ubulette> and I versionned them <asac> there should be some in dist at least <asac> yes ok but that would be feasible to patch <asac> while having them would be good :) <Ubulette> mozilla-plugin-1.9.pc mozilla-js-1.9.pc libxul-embedding-1.9.pc libxul-1.9.pc <Ubulette> i'll have a look <Ubulette> still on the copyright mess <asac> oh <Ubulette> i'm doing a script as it's boring <Ubulette> MPL:1 GPL:0 LGPL:0: ./LICENSE <Ubulette> MPL:0 GPL:1 LGPL:0: ./dom/tests/mochitest/ajax/jquery/dist/jquery.js <Ubulette> MPL:0 GPL:1 LGPL:0: ./dom/tests/mochitest/ajax/jquery/src/jquery/jquery.js <Ubulette> MPL:1 GPL:1 LGPL:0: ./embedding/browser/activex/src/install/README.txt <Ubulette> MPL:0 GPL:1 LGPL:1: ./extensions/pref/system-pref/src/gconf/nsSystemPrefService.cpp <Ubulette> MPL:0 GPL:1 LGPL:1: ./extensions/pref/system-pref/src/gconf/nsSystemPrefService.h <Ubulette> MPL:0 GPL:1 LGPL:1: ./extensions/pref/system-pref/src/nsSystemPref.cpp <Ubulette> MPL:0 GPL:1 LGPL:1: ./extensions/pref/system-pref/src/nsSystemPref.h <Ubulette> MPL:0 GPL:1 LGPL:1: ./extensions/pref/system-pref/src/nsSystemPrefFactory.cpp <Ubulette> MPL:0 GPL:1 LGPL:1: ./extensions/pref/system-pref/src/nsSystemPrefLog.h <Ubulette> strange <Ubulette> asac, ^^ <asac> hmm <asac> when was mochitest added? <asac> the system-pref exstension is ok <asac> Ubulette: you sure they are not unter mpl? <asac> ./extensions/pref/system-pref/src/nsSystemPref.cpp ? <gnomefreak> is this still the xulrunner license or is that ready? <Ubulette> MPL:1 GPL:0 LGPL:0: ./intl/uconv/ucvibm/864i.uf <Ubulette> MPL:1 GPL:0 LGPL:0: ./intl/uconv/ucvibm/cp850.uf <Ubulette> MPL:1 GPL:0 LGPL:0: ./intl/uconv/ucvibm/cp852.uf <Ubulette> MPL:1 GPL:0 LGPL:0: ./intl/uconv/ucvibm/cp855.uf <asac> Ubulette: thats strange <asac> can you give me all unicode files ... i will get that sorted out <Ubulette> well, i'll check my script 1st.. maybe it's me <Ubulette> ah, uconv files are NPL <gavinbaker> hey asac <asac> hi gavinbaker <gavinbaker> referred to you by poningru <gavinbaker> i had a problem when upgrading tbird <gavinbaker> running feisty <asac> Ubulette: thats strange ... i thought there was an announcement once that the re-licensing is now finished <gavinbaker> i added the gutsy repositories so i could get tbird 2.0 <asac> gavinbaker: well don't do that <asac> gavinbaker: thats really evil <asac> gavinbaker: how many new packages did you get? <gavinbaker> and it broke libspell, so OO.o / firefox crash now <gavinbaker> you can prevent it by turning off check-as-you-type <asac> that should be natural <asac> we usually maintain a tbird 2.0 backport in mozilla team repo <asac> but since we are migrating now to new repository location they are down <gavinbaker> asac: well, i understand the gutsy repos are alpha, but i figured that stable software in there would be, you know, stable <asac> gavinbaker: actually i cannot help you now that you have partially upgraded <gavinbaker> asac: i can fix it to my satisfaction <asac> gavinbaker: my advice: go completely up to gutsy <asac> or try to downgrade with pinning <gavinbaker> but i wanted to tell you fyi <asac> if that fails reinstall <asac> but remember that gutsy might break from times to time ... so don't blame we when left with pieces <gavinbaker> sure, i understand i run that risk when getting stuff from gutsy repos <gavinbaker> but i wanted to tell you about the problem <asac> gavinbaker: yes thanks ... but archive mixup is nothing that i care about ;) <gavinbaker> and ask if it's something you knew about, i should file a bug about, etc. <asac> gavinbaker: yes ... but its naturaly ... go either or <asac> not partially unless you are sure its just a constraint set of packages <asac> affected <gavinbaker> well... i assume someone will want to fix this before gutsy stable <asac> gavinbaker: no bug please ... its an unsupported state ... if you upgrade your system to gutsy completely you can help test tbird 2.0 in gutsy ;) <asac> gavinbaker: it doesn't exist in gutsy most likely <asac> its your install that is borked because you mixed distributions <gavinbaker> well, it seems silly that the only 'official' ubuntu way to get tbird 2 is to mix distros and therefore b0rk * gnomefreak should have tbird for feisty done tomorrow for PPA its on to do list <gavinbaker> i.e. not sure why tbird isn't in feisty-backports <asac> thats defeinitly not the official way <asac> the official way is to wait for gutsy ... then upgrade <gavinbaker> but since it's not, figured i'd get it from gutsy rather than wait, or get deb from somewhere else <gnomefreak> gavinbaker: mozilla apps are a pain to backport since they depend on everything in the world :( <asac> we can help you by providing backports in mozillateam archive <asac> gnomefreak: well it usually works ... as you might know ;) <asac> its just a pain to pull them from another distribution ;) <gnomefreak> yes but for official use im eh about it <gnomefreak> i hope we have up to date tarball for it but ill play with it tomorrow. im assuming the copyright is what you and Ubulette were talking about? <gnomefreak> my download speed is faster than it has been :) <asac> cool gnomefreak sits now on a high-speed connection ;) <gnomefreak> yeah ~100kbps <gnomefreak> not fast but its getting there <gnomefreak> better than 30 <asac> gnomefreak: how did you get that? <Ubulette> there are tons of files with no licence at all :p <gnomefreak> not sure it started today <asac> Ubulette: which? <asac> Ubulette: they probably have the license in the dir as text file <asac> as bad as that is ... its still done <asac> (hopefully not for mofo source) <Ubulette> i only check orig files <asac> well orig files are not all mofo source :) <gnomefreak> i guess i can use the orig from gutsy to build this <Ubulette> asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/licences.txt.gz <asac> Ubulette: do these include binary files? <Ubulette> hmmmmmm <Ubulette> it's a find and a grep <asac> yeah it does <asac> NPL:0 MPL:0 GPL:0 LGPL:0: ./config/bin2rc.exe <asac> we should definitly filter those out that have GPL:0 LGPL:0 <gnomefreak> asac: is thunderbird new-orig to build orig? * gnomefreak cant remember we had 3 different ways <Ubulette> should harmonize that... <asac> Ubulette: ok i will try to get i contact with gerv about that ... at best remind me at some point :) <asac> afaik he is on holiday <Ubulette> seems i can say everything is tri licenced expect cairo (mpl+lgpl) and a small bunch of files that I can list <Ubulette> except <asac> yeah right i need those small bunch of files :) <asac> probably the testcases should be dealt with separately <Ubulette> grep -v 'MPL:1 GPL:1 LGPL:1' /tmp/licences.txt | grep -v 'NPL:0 MPL:0 GPL:0 LGPL:0' | grep -v /cairo/ <Ubulette> assuming the all null are tri licenced <Ubulette> hmm <Ubulette> big assumption <asac> what about the uconv files? <Ubulette> run the command <asac> you already found that they are NPL only <asac> Ubulette: something must be wrong with that statement :) <asac> NPL:1 MPL:1 GPL:0 LGPL:0: ./intl/uconv/ucvibm/cp850.uf <Ubulette> $ grep MPL ./intl/uconv/ucvibm/cp850.uf <Ubulette> * identified per MPL Section 3.3 <Ubulette> hm <asac> yes above you see it has NPL/MPL <asac> anyway according to what you said above it doesn't show up in your grep <asac> which looks suspicious :) <Ubulette> it definitely matches MPL... <asac> yes? <asac> MPL is not free <asac> anyway thats not my point <asac> you stated that there are no files that are not trilicensed except cairo and those that are all zero <asac> but that is wrong according to the example. So your grep must have a flaw ;) <Ubulette> but those uconv are in the "bunch of files" <Ubulette> category <asac> yes <asac> then i misunderstood <Ubulette> so those are to be sorted and listed <asac> from discussion above you were about to list the bunch of files <asac> yeah <Ubulette> yep <Ubulette> those are neither all null nor tri licenced nor cairo <Ubulette> those that are neither all null nor tri licenced nor cairo <asac> i am only concerned about: NPL:1 MPL:1 GPL:0 LGPL:0: for now <asac> i will submit them to the guy that drives the relicensing efford <asac> after checking some examples manually <Ubulette> grep 'GPL:0 LGPL:0:' /tmp/licences.txt | grep -v 'NPL:0 MPL:0 GPL:0 LGPL:0' <Ubulette> that uconv/* + toolkit/components/feeds/test/xml/rss09x/rss090.xml <Ubulette> that's <asac> yeah are those uconv files binary or what? <asac> or in a format that cannot have license header ;) ? <Ubulette> no as this is plain text with a huge comment at the top, saying NPL <asac> ok <asac> thanks for looking <asac> that might be a bug ... or a bug ;) <asac> http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/relicensing-faq.html <asac> Note: the relicensing project is now complete. This document is only of historical interest. <asac> Ubulette: ok apparently NPL licensed stuff is automatically relicensed <asac> so its probably a glitch <asac> not a critical bug <asac> Any such files created by Netscape employees will be assumed to be under the NPL and thus relicensed automatically, while for other files the contributor(s) will be contacted to request permission for relicensing. <asac> (under: What about Mozilla source files that do not have an explicit license notice?) <Ubulette> asac, what about this: http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/copyright <Ubulette> oops <Ubulette> i dropped all extentions !??? <asac> problems with connection again <Ubulette> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/copyright <asac> no i mean <asac> i don't get any website to open :) <Ubulette> lol <asac> looks like port 80 is blocked or something <asac> maybe two default routes confuse this thing here? <asac> hmm looks like only your server is not reachable <Ubulette> if https is okay, i've committed it to .dev <asac> well launchpad works <Ubulette> so try lp <asac> https://code.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.ubuntu.dev <Ubulette> yes <asac> ok now the changes are there <asac> just a second ago they haven't been ... probably synching <asac> Ubulette: maybe add a hint to the MPL only files section <asac> and point to the faq ... e.g. that it states that NPL files are automatically relicensed if netscape was initial author <asac> and replace "myself" with your name <asac> then make CVS documentation proper ... and all should be fine <Ubulette> done <Ubulette> gnomefreak, pushed in xul trunk too <asac> so we have a complete trunk stack in ppa by tomorrow? <Ubulette> ff left <Ubulette> defaults/autoconfig is gone <asac> he? <asac> where? <Ubulette> daily trunk <Ubulette> debian/tmp/usr/lib/firefox-*/defaults/autoconfig <Ubulette> oh, i know <Ubulette> with xul, it's no longer pref but preferences <Ubulette> no, already took care of pref/preferences <Ubulette> autoconfig is not installed anymore <Ubulette> asac, is it useful ? <Ubulette> platform.js and prefcalls.js <Ubulette> dropped, committed, pushed <asac> yes <asac> its important <asac> well if upstrema dropped it then it might have been moved somewhere else <asac> before it was definitly required <asac> otherwise clean profile creation failed <Ubulette> it'd in /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9a8pre/defaults/autoconfig now <Ubulette> it's <Ubulette> all it's platform related, not browser <asac> ah ok <asac> right <asac> that should be fine then <asac> though maybe its allowed in both dirs? <Ubulette> don't know <Ubulette> i'll try without <asac> ok night <Ubulette> night too, i'll be back sunday eve <Ubulette> ii firefox-trunk 3.0a8pre+cvs20070831t1748+bbot-2 <Ubulette> ii libnspr4-0d 4.7.0+cvs20070828t1830+bbot-3 <Ubulette> ii libnss3-0d 3.12.0+cvs20070831t0504+bbot-1 <Ubulette> ii xulrunner-1.9 1.9a8pre+cvs20070831t1404+bbot-1 <Ubulette> running all fine for me. <Ubulette> no problem with nss (gmail certificates ok) <shirish> Ubulette: asac: gnomefreak: anybody up? <tonyyarusso> shirish: Well, "anybody" is, but "somebody" isn't. <shirish> tonyyarusso: hey ;) <tonyyarusso> shirish: what's up? <shirish> tonyyarusso: I was wondering for Ubulette said something about changing stuff from 3.0a8pre+cvs20070831t1 to 3.0~a8 or something like that, any idea about that? <tonyyarusso> shirish: What's the a8 mean? Sounds like a pre-release from CVS being finalized to me. <shirish> tonyyarusso: disregard that, as atleast on http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/minirepos/firefox-minefield/pool/firefox-trunk/ it shows the same names as now ;) <tonyyarusso> :S <shirish> tonyyarusso: I'm checking, perhaps there is an a8 around the corner somewhere <shirish> tonyyarusso: ff3a8 code freeze is on sept 5 & then its supposed to be shipped by sept. 18, this would also serve as feature-freeze <tonyyarusso> ah <shirish> tonyyarusso: correction, that's front-end feature-frozen <shirish> tonyyarusso: details from http://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox3/Schedule <shirish> tonyyarusso: also do you checkout the builds from Ubulette's mini repository? <tonyyarusso> I don't (yet at least) <tonyyarusso> Wait...October 16 hard code freeze - does that mean there's a tiny chance FF 3 may be in Gutsy? * tonyyarusso is amused by the fact that they have "Firefox 3 status meetings" reoccuring every Tuesday for all eternity <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: it already is in gutsy <gnomefreak> asac: in thunderbird rules there isnt a cluet o the command we used to generate orig.tar, is it debian/rules new-orig? <gnomefreak> Ubulette: we are waiting for copyright file still? you said you fixed somehting but wasnt sure what <gnomefreak> asac: i have a feeling im gonna run into problems on tbird2 for feisty, nothing that cant be easily changed but im trying to change least as possible <gnomefreak> well im gonna try to leave the patches alone and prey <gnomefreak> pray <gnomefreak> asac: ok i had to pull a revision prior to the gcc g++ changes but ./debian/rules neworig is not making tarball what was the command for tbird orig regen? * gnomefreak out for a bit need to get things done <gnomefreak> asac: your off this weekend right? <gnomefreak> Ubulette_: if your here you might want to look into a gp crash that is also crashing ff and epip sounds like a corrupt profiles to me but this is important if everyone sees it <xtknight> going to try a backtrace then as long as we're on the subject * gnomefreak gone for a while again <asac> hey #ubuntu-mozillateam 2007-09-02 <gnomefreak> hi <gnomefreak> asac: what is the command to make new orig in tbird? i couldnt find it in debian/rules and i need to start with a clean tbird <asac> gnomefreak: you probably don't need to do that <asac> you almost certainly want the orig.tar.gz from gutsy <gnomefreak> cant <gnomefreak> the changes that were made for gcc g++ cant be used in feisty <asac> sure they can <gnomefreak> nope different versions <asac> and the orig isn't <gnomefreak> feisty doesnt have gcc4.2 <asac> modified <asac> its just the patches that you don't want <gnomefreak> oh ok cool <asac> and the control file <asac> orig.tar.gz is the same <gnomefreak> yeah i grabbed lower revision <asac> yeah and drop the CC/CXX tweaks from debian/rules as well <gnomefreak> with any luck tbird will be published tonight <gnomefreak> ok being pushed <gnomefreak> im gonna go laydown my pancreitis is bothering me something ferce <vina> hi all <vina> it's just my impression or they removed the mozilla browser in ubuntu 7.04? <asac> gnomefreak: get well and recover <asac> vina: yes <vina> is there any intetion on putting seamonkey back to the repository? <asac> in gutsy there is seamonkey (well iceape) <asac> but its identical <asac> except the icons <vina> asac: thank you very much asac <vina> but as I already use mozilla mail, I think I'll search for a pre-built seamonkey package <asac> vina: we will have one soon <asac> in our mozillateam archive <asac> we are just migrating to a new one ... so its still empty <asac> but its getting more content every day ... feisty iceape/seamonkey should be possible <asac> just ask gnomefreak ... he can probably upload that <vina> oh, better yeat then! <vina> thanks a lot! <asac> just bug him tomorrow ... and be patient ofr another 1-2-3 days ;) <vina> hahah <asac> i think he lay down ... no idea if he comes back today <vina> I'll compile seamonkey myself <vina> it probably will take 2 hours <vina> when the package is ready, I'll just make the change <vina> no hurry <vina> see ya <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: ah, cool <asac> hi ... will be out for most of the day ... the ipw3945 debug session with stgraber just soaked too much power to be still alive :) <gnomefreak> asac: ill get to iceape and sunbird for feisty sometime this week. i think hte pancreitis came back and kept me up all night but should have something to upload this week <gnomefreak> asac: if he comes back tell him(vina) iceape and seamonkey are being uploaded to PPA atm <gnomefreak> im off for a while <asac> gnomefreak: ok thanks <hjmf_> asac: ping <Ubulette> hi <asac> hjmf_: pong <hjmf_> asac: hi! will you be around here tomorrow for the CC meeting? <hjmf_> asac: at last I'll be applying for membership <hjmf_> asac: and it would be great if you'll be around :) <asac> oh there is a CC meeting? <asac> @schedule <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 03 Sep 13:00: Community Council | 04 Sep 15:00: Kernel Team | 05 Sep 12:00: Edubuntu | 08 Sep 00:00: MOTU Team | 08 Sep 17:00: Xubuntu Developers | 10 Sep 19:00: Screencast Team <asac> yeah ... i will be here :) <asac> (unless hit by bus) <asac> hjmf_: you are on top of agenda? <Ubulette> gnomefreak, any reason not to push {xul,ff3}.trunk to ppa ? <hjmf_> asac: yea! I'm the second <hjmf_> asac: cool, thanks :) <asac> a pleasure! <hjmf_> of mine :) <asac> Ubulette: probably time/bandwidth constraint :) ... but i think they should go in <asac> hjmf_: maybe let people from bughelper-dev know as well <asac> hjmf_: i think dholbach will be there anyway ... but others might wanna support you as well :) <asac> (though i think its not needed) <Ubulette> <gnomefreak> Ubulette: we are waiting for copyright file still? you said you fixed somehting but wasnt sure what <Ubulette> hmm <Ubulette> gnomefreak, no. it's ready <hjmf_> asac: I'm hopping that your testimonials (all of you in the group, and specially yours asac) would be enough <hjmf_> asac: and I count on dholbach being there too and remembering me from bughelper :)- <hjmf_> I count with gnomefreak and Admiral_Chicago too <hjmf_> Admiral_Chicago: please if possible assist to the CC :) <asac> hjmf_: don't worry ... should be trivial for you ... i am sure ;) <hjmf_> asac: lets hope that your are right :) <hjmf_> though I can't avoid too feel a bit nervous :P <asac> hehe <hjmf_> yeah, more if I remember the other meeting when it got out of time Grrrr! <hjmf_> :) <asac> hehe <asac> this time should be better <hjmf_> @schedule madrid <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Madrid: 03 Sep 15:00: Community Council | 04 Sep 17:00: Kernel Team | 05 Sep 14:00: Edubuntu | 08 Sep 02:00: MOTU Team | 08 Sep 19:00: Xubuntu Developers | 10 Sep 21:00: Screencast Team <asac> there is no meeting afterwars (like it was last time) <hjmf_> probably my turn will be around 16:00, though I have taken all my evening free for the meeting :) <asac> and since you are second on the list :) <asac> 1600 ? whatelse is before? * hjmf_ needs to relax <asac> me too ... i will go to the sofa again now :) <hjmf_> there are 4 general proposes and only one loco team before members <hjmf_> asac: me too, I'm going to watch football right now <hjmf_> cy <asac> hmm ok ... that should be fine then :) <asac> cu tomorrow <hjmf_> cu then :) <Ubulette> asac, you talked about me auto-committing in .dev branches, what was it already ? <asac> he? <Ubulette> it was about nss <asac> any scrollback line you can show me so maybe i understand :) <Ubulette> Aug 28 01:50:32 <asac> Ubulette: yes then autocommit ... and refrain from new builds if build fails somehow <Ubulette> Aug 28 01:50:37 <asac> so we can fix the last revision ;) <Ubulette> Aug 28 01:50:43 <asac> manually ... then bot will resume <Ubulette> Aug 28 01:51:00 <Ubulette> no need to autocommit, most of the time, there's no reason to update debian/* <asac> ah that was long ago :) <Ubulette> 5 days <asac> Ubulette: yes ... i would be fine when we do only commit when debian/ needs to be changed <asac> bug maybe doing a daily commit (with just updated date in changelog) would help <asac> s/bug/but/ <Ubulette> pushing tarball too i guess <Ubulette> so anyone could build .dev <asac> the problem i still see is that your bot doesn't produce the right versions :) <Ubulette> it could autocommit the right thing <asac> Ubulette: the debian/ directory should be self-sufficient <asac> e.g. you checkout ... then you just run debian/rules new-orig <asac> and get the appropriate orig tarball from that date <asac> (e.g. through cvs checkout) <asac> Ubulette: what i still don't understand is that if your bot can commit the right thing .. why can't you roll the right versions to your archvie? <asac> Ubulette: i find it a bit of a shame that you host daily builds ... and we (the moziillateam) cannot point people to them <asac> semi-officially <asac> maybe think about it ... i think tweaking your versions would be worth the efford :) <Ubulette> because i would design that autocommit as a plugin so it could temper with versions and stuff. in opposition to change the core of the bot which will take a while to do <asac> ok <asac> if it takes a while, that doesn't mean that it will never happen :) <Ubulette> indeed <asac> (at least for me) ... and that hope is good enough for now <asac> :) <asac> Ubulette: i don't think we need the appropriate orig tarball published <asac> we have those autocommits so we can pick the right debian/ revision in case upstream sets a tag in a past to build official things <asac> when upstream does that we can produce orig.tar.gz by getting that tag from cvs <Ubulette> well, if the bot autcommit in the evenning, and someone wants to build in the morning, cvs will no longer match <asac> Ubulette: why doesn't your bot checkout -D DATE =? <asac> that would make things 100% reproducible <asac> you might loose commits done today ... but build tomorrow will get them <asac> you could even checkout by time iirc <Ubulette> mostly because the bot is meant for HEAD <Ubulette> not because it cannot to that <asac> ok <asac> Ubulette: i will think about it ... i think it shouldn't be a problem for us <asac> but we can just go for committing debian/ tree when we need to change that <asac> that would be fine too i guess <Ubulette> that's already what I'm doing manually in .dev <Ubulette> when a build failed, i try to fix it then update .dev <asac> i think that should be good enough <asac> we will see in practice how well it works when we merge down the .dev branch next time trunk gets a new tag <asac> if we run into problems or learn how we can do better, then we can adapt that procedure <asac> so not autocommit? is that consense now? <Ubulette> i don't see what to autocommit except bump changelogs when build succeeded <asac> gnomefreak: ETA for xul+ff-trunk in gutsy/ppa ? <asac> Ubulette: yes right ... i think we don't need it ... the only benefit i would get (as an outsider not running the build bot) would be to get a heartbeat info ... e.g. your bot is still building so i assume it doesn't fail <asac> but i am fine to go the "only commit on changes" way <asac> Ubulette: how long do you keep your HEAD builds araound? any policy? <asac> e.g. 3 month :) ? <asac> forever ;) = <asac> 1 week ? <Ubulette> initially i did forever but i'm not only keeping the last one <Ubulette> s/not/now/ <asac> maybe you can keep history till last milestone? <asac> e.g. a7 -> a8 ? <Ubulette> possible with a small plugin <asac> in case there are issues we could use them to track down a regression window <asac> which can be worth gold <asac> just so all you know: i am not running feisty anymore :) <Ubulette> :) <asac> Ubulette: i already feel bad about it ... because I always felt a little bit better testing firefox security updates in a real install vs. a chroot <asac> even more so, because they already get far too little exposure before they are rolled out :/ <Ubulette> call for contributors <asac> now i don't know anyone who really runs feisty :/ <asac> Ubulette: yes we are starting community qa for mozillas <asac> Ubulette: i hope it will iniitally be done for next security upload <asac> Ubulette: e.g. we have: https://mozilla.qa.stgraber.org/ ... now :) <asac> is still pre-beta ... but firefox will be the first application to use it <Ubulette> hmm, certs "could not be verified for unknown reason" (with trunk) <asac> do an strace <asac> it probably doesn't find some (new) file? <Ubulette> same with our gp a7 <asac> same? <Ubulette> yep <asac> well it worked, right? <asac> when/how did it break? <Ubulette> if i accept the cert, yes <asac> what exact stack are you running? with xul? <Ubulette> all head <Ubulette> for gp, all gutsy <asac> all gutsy? or ppa? <Ubulette> not ppa <asac> well i am sure that gp works <asac> in gutsy <Ubulette> firefox-granparadiso 3.0~alpha7-0ubuntu6 <asac> ok let me check ;) <asac> Ubulette: that version doesn't even have system nss/nspr <asac> why would it break? <Ubulette> that's why I ask :) <asac> ok ... disk is slow atm ... but should finish any second <asac> Ubulette: i can visit https://launchpad.net/ <asac> without cert accept et al <Ubulette> i can visit everything too <asac> then i don't understand your problem :) <Ubulette> but https://mozilla.qa.stgraber.org/ asks me to confirm <asac> ah <asac> yeah <asac> why don't you say that so :) <Ubulette> <Ubulette> if i accept the cert, yes <asac> actually because you said (with trunk) ... i assumed you only see it on trunk <asac> and for any site <Ubulette> <Ubulette> same with our gp a7 <asac> stgraber doesn't have a CA certification <asac> thats all <asac> Ubulette: well he has <asac> but none that is installed by default <asac> you need http://www.cacert.org/ cert to not see that warning <asac> install the root from http://www.cacert.org/index.php?id=3 <Ubulette> we should file a bug against ca-certificates then <asac> Ubulette: no <asac> Ubulette: its in ca-certificates-extended <Ubulette> oh <asac> Ubulette: the problem is: firefox doesn't read from there :) <asac> Ubulette: and for official we are probably not allowed to change that <asac> and its not that easy todo as well <asac> there are really old bugs about these things upstream <asac> upstream refuses to do it ... <Ubulette> can't see ca-certificates-extended in gutsy <asac> they say that they only want the certs in firefox that they ship <asac> Ubulette: no idea how its called <asac> Ubulette: maybe its in ca-certificates and there is a debconf script <asac> that asks you what certs you want <asac> i just have blurried memories on this <asac> its long ago i noticed it ... and it was in debian <asac> Ubulette: trackerd has finished here :) <asac> 1.5 days after upgrading to gutsy <Ubulette> lol <asac> well ... in fact its better then having a daily updatedb run <asac> i hope i can disable that now <Ubulette> that will lead to zillions of complaints <asac> maybe i need to write a simple localte trackerd frontend though (hope that its not too hard) <asac> Ubulette: complains? <asac> Ubulette: i don't plan to do that for all ;) <asac> at least for now <Ubulette> 1.5 days of cpu and disk activity <asac> just for me <asac> ah right. <Ubulette> especially laptops <asac> yeah ... but if you argue that keeping up index isn't so consuming ... maybe its ok to do it once <asac> Ubulette: right <asac> well ... most novice users won't have that many files <asac> in their home <asac> i doubt that they have a bunch of copies of mozilla tree lying around or so :) <asac> Ubulette: isn't a daily updatedb run installed by default as well? <asac> or did i do that to me :) <Ubulette> dont know. I have it too as I really depend on it <Ubulette> but my gutsy box is just an edgy->feisty->gutsy box <Ubulette> so maybe I installed it manually at some point <asac> yeah <asac> trackerd is broken for me <asac> i didn't get an answer <asac> from dbus <asac> then manually starting trackerd gives me: <asac> ERROR: while reading file /usr/share/tracker/sqlite-stored-procs.sql on line 170 <asac> which is EOL <asac> EOF <asac> i mean <asac> so probably a open bracket or paranthesis <Ubulette> Initialising tracker... <Ubulette> throttle level is 0 <Ubulette> ERROR: while reading file /usr/share/tracker/sqlite-stored-procs.sql on line 170 <Ubulette> but it runs <Ubulette> ..and sucks my cpu <Ubulette> asac, i've patched client.mk to be able to fetch MOZ_CO_PROJECT=nss or nspr or xulbrowser <asac> what? <Ubulette> problem is xul and browser still fetch nss and nspr.. it's deep in the logic of the code <asac> ah <asac> can you show me patch so i can pre-review <Ubulette> i don't think i'll post that upstream <asac> well ... we should make it suitable for upstream at some point at least :) <asac> though we might be more heroic if we do something for hg :) <Ubulette> why ? <Ubulette> hd is gonna replace cvs ? <Ubulette> hg <shirish> what's hg? <Ubulette> mercurial <Ubulette> chemical symbol <shirish> ah so the ff upstream is gonna go with mercurial, is it? <Ubulette> I don't know <shirish> Ubulette: hi, and apologies, I was never a good science student even though we had a hot science teacher ;) <Ubulette> :) <shirish> Ubulette: do you still have link to those .svg pages which you were showing me the other day? <Ubulette> http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2007/08/svg-video-demo.html <xtknight> why do we need like 10 repository systems? <xtknight> cvs was fine <Ubulette> xtknight, do you actively use cvs ? <xtknight> Ubulette, to checkout stuff <xtknight> seems a little extreme tho. but i hope Hg is in the repositories <Ubulette> i see. that's why you don't see the problem :) branching in cvs is a nightmare <xtknight> i think when i came across pidgin's checkout system it was awful <xtknight> i forgot which one they used <Ubulette> in debian/ubuntu, hg is in the mercurial package <xtknight> ahh Monotone :( <Ubulette> never used monotone myself <xtknight> yeah it's awful for checking out <xtknight> i hope Hg is like cvs and svn <Ubulette> it is <Ubulette> xine uses hg <Ubulette> http://hg.debian.org/hg/ <shirish> I tried to use monotone but got stuck on the first thing of making directories to do stuff. <xtknight> http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/UsingPidginMonotone <xtknight> quite messy <xtknight> with svn you do "svn co url" done ;) <shirish> xtknight: true <shirish> the same with bzr, its also bzr co url, I haven't come across one document which tells me what the different between bzr & svn apart from the fact that bzr. is supposed to be 'distributed' <xtknight> what's the diff between cvs, git, svn, and bzr? <xtknight> (and monotone, and Hg for that matter) <shirish> xtknight: between cvs & svn its easy, the whole thing of changesets and branching, this is much much easier to follow. <xtknight> hmm <shirish> git is excellent for extreme programming practises, hence the kernel guys use it. lot of that cherry picking stuff & all. <Ubulette> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_revision_control_software <xtknight> just what the doctor ordered <Ubulette> shirish, how's minefield today ? <shirish> Ubulette: its responding lazily, not quick as other days :( <Ubulette> ? <Ubulette> should not be that different in just a day <shirish> hang on lemme check which build this is. <shirish> this is yesterday's build I guess, 1st sept. <Ubulette> today is out <Ubulette> xul+ff+nspr today (no new nss) <shirish> oh, ok cool, hang on. <Ubulette> i'm working on making ff3 smaller <shirish> I know, btw there is backtrace when I closed ff, interested in knowing what it was? <shirish> its a GDK-error. <Ubulette> please search a bit on bugzilla 1st. maybe it's already known <shirish> Ubulette: this is with yesterday's build http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36078/ <gnomefreak> Ubulette: did you fix xulrunner copyright? <Ubulette> gnomefreak, yes <gnomefreak> ok ty <Ubulette> was okay friday <gnomefreak> asac: mid to end of week depending on if im in hospital or not. monday is a holiday here but hoping dr is open <Ubulette> seems ff3 src will go from 34M to 2.5M <asac> gnomefreak: you have to go to hospital again? <asac> Ubulette: great <shirish> Ubulette: cool :P <gnomefreak> asac: pain is back <gnomefreak> i didnt eat anything either been on clear liquid diet * shirish sad to learn about gnomefreak's illness. <gnomefreak> but its been 24 hours <gnomefreak> shirish: ill live <asac> maybe it goes away? <gnomefreak> im hoping * Ubulette will bzr bd it 1st.. hope nothing's missing <asac> gnomefreak: maybe you should stop smoking as well? <gnomefreak> if not tuesday johncrosby@example.net. office <asac> gnomefreak: e.g. try to remove all kind of stress from your body <asac> for recovery <gnomefreak> asac: yes i should and ive only had 3 today <shirish> gnomefreak: I hope so too, there are only so few people who love GNOME :) we guys need to stick together. <gnomefreak> but ill have it done this week either from laptop in hospital or home feeling better <asac> Ubulette: did you need to patch configure.in, allmakefiles.sh or Makefile.in ? <gnomefreak> bbl goesnt to lay down for a while <shirish> gnomefreak: see ya * shirish goes dutifully & does his 'sudo aptitude update' mantra <shirish> an aptitude a day keeps the doctor away :P <shirish> downloading 3.0a8pre+cvs20070902t0938+bbot-1 now <shirish> less than a week left for m8 <shirish> I better see if bugzilla has some post <shirish> Ubulette: I get the same issue with today's build also, but no success at finding a bug-report :( * shirish out <Ubulette> asac, too optimistic. I've missed tons of stuff <Ubulette> i need to either add the full MODULES_core or prune it carefully <asac> well ... you sure? <asac> its probably just the build system that requires it <asac> what is in MODULES_core ? <asac> to you have an excerpt at hand? <asac> Ubulette: ^^ <Ubulette> mozilla/README mozilla/accessible mozilla/browser mozilla/build mozilla/caps mozilla/chrome mozilla/config mozilla/content mozilla/db/mdb mozilla/db/mork mozilla/db/morkreader mozilla/db/sqlite3 mozilla/docshell mozilla/dom mozilla/editor mozilla/embedding mozilla/extensions mozilla/gfx mozilla/intl mozilla/ipc/ipcd mozilla/jpeg mozilla/js/jsd/idl mozilla/js/src/fdlibm mozilla/js/src/liveconnect mozilla/js/src/ <Ubulette> xpconnect mozilla/layout mozilla/modules/lcms mozilla/modules/libbz2 mozilla/modules/libimg mozilla/modules/libjar mozilla/modules/libmar mozilla/modules/libpr0n mozilla/modules/libpref mozilla/modules/libreg mozilla/modules/libutil mozilla/modules/oji mozilla/modules/plugin mozilla/modules/staticmod mozilla/modules/zlib mozilla/netwerk mozilla/other-licenses/7zstub/firefox mozilla/other-licenses/atk-1.0 mozill <Ubulette> a/other-licenses/branding/firefox mozilla/other-licenses/ia2 mozilla/parser mozilla/plugin/oji mozilla/profile mozilla/rdf mozilla/security/manager mozilla/storage mozilla/sun-java mozilla/testing/mochitest mozilla/toolkit mozilla/tools/elf-dynstr-gc mozilla/tools/test-harness mozilla/uriloader mozilla/view mozilla/webshell mozilla/widget mozilla/xpcom mozilla/xpfe mozilla/xpinstal <Ubulette> hmm no <Ubulette> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/192931 <Ubulette> maybe MODULES_necko is enough <gnomefreak> im head ing to hospital ill bring laptop but i cant promise they will let me have it <Ubulette> gasp, seems serious :P <Admiral_Chicago> hjmf: sure, when will that be? <Admiral_Chicago> @schedule chicago <ubotu> Schedule for America/Chicago: 03 Sep 08:00: Community Council | 04 Sep 10:00: Kernel Team | 05 Sep 07:00: Edubuntu | 07 Sep 19:00: MOTU Team | 08 Sep 12:00: Xubuntu Developers | 10 Sep 14:00: Screencast Team <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, i'll be in class at that time, but I'll email the CC for you hjmf <Ubulette> asac, seems i'm close <Ubulette> configure: error: Unrecognized extension provided to --enable-extensions: xml-rpc. <asac> yes you want that i guess <asac> orits a bug in firefox-granparadiso <asac> (in case its provbided by xulrunner) <Ubulette> it's part of default configure.in <Ubulette> MOZ_EXTENSIONS_ALL=" wallet xml-rpc help venkman inspector irc typeaheadfind gnomevfs sroaming datetime finger cview layout-debug tasks sql xforms schema-validation reporter" <Ubulette> so i guess i need mozilla/extensions/* <Ubulette> asac, strange that we don't ship any ext in gp <asac> Ubulette: aren't those in xul already? <asac> Ubulette: maybe you should just enable all those extensions in xulrunner <asac> i know that mike builds more stuff than plain xulrunner in debian <Ubulette> hmm, i'll look into that once it builds again <Ubulette> make[5] : Entering directory `/src/bzr/build-area/firefox-trunk-3.0~a8~cvs20070902/build-tree/mozilla/browser/locales' <Ubulette> Makefile:184: ../../toolkit/mozapps/installer/packager.mk: No such file or directory <Ubulette> Makefile:185: ../../toolkit/locales/en-US/installer/windows/charset.mk: No such file or directory <Ubulette> make[5] : *** No rule to make target `../../toolkit/locales/en-US/installer/windows/charset.mk'. Stop. <Ubulette> so it means tweaking make rules <Ubulette> lol, it's a whole dirty win32 block <Ubulette> Comparing pl to en-US <Ubulette> Can't open perl script "../../../../toolkit/locales/compare-locales.pl": No such file or directory <Ubulette> pfff <Ubulette> asac, i made it work with a 10M tarball <Ubulette> far better than the current 40M one but still too big, imho <asac> hmm ... yeah! <asac> thats good <Ubulette> don't know how to deal with those client.mk patches. I'll put that in a branch for now <Ubulette> asac, should i push in m-t or just in my own stuff ? <Ubulette> asac, https://code.launchpad.net/~fta/firefox/mozclient #ubuntu-mozillateam 2007-09-03 <Ubulette> asac, tell me what you think <Ubulette> good thing is we can drop 3 patches in ff-trunk <Ubulette> asac, I just created http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/trunk.dev to go with it <asac> Ubulette: ok ... i will look at the client tomorrow <asac> today i had too much of network-manager to be in a mood to look at anything else :) <Ubulette> k <asac> i am pretty sure that wpasupplicant sucks ... its obvious, because i have to install libqt4-dev in order to build it :/ <asac> and it returns aribtrary garbage responses through its control socket <asac> :) <Jazzva> Hello... <asac_> Admiral_Chicago: please remember today hilario goes for membership 13 UTC <asac_> AlexLatchford: ^^^ <hjmf> hi all, I've just arrived, seems that the meeting has started <hjmf> I'll ping you when my turn arrives <- asac gnomefreak Admiral_Chicago AlexLatchford Ubulette tonyyarusso <asac> hjmf: yes <asac> i hope gnomefreak isn't in the hospital again <hjmf> hmm, yes I hope that he's OK too <hjmf> I'll be the first one since the other guy hasn't logged yet <asac> hjmf: cool <hjmf> yes :) <hjmf_> two agenda items before my turn ... <hjmf> I'm next <- asac gnomefreak Admiral_Chicago AlexLatchford Ubulette tonyyarusso <asac> yeah ... i see <hjmf> council is with the loco team <hjmf> asac: seems that you'll be my one and olny sponsor :P <asac> hmm ... well ... should be fine <hjmf> which should be more than enough :) <hjmf> yea <hjmf> h <hjmf> asac: my turn in seconds :) <asac> yeah <Jazzva> Go, hjmf... <hjmf> Thank you asac :) <hjmf> I can relax now :) <hjmf> thank you too Jazzva <Jazzva> Congrats, hjmf :)... <asac> hjmf: well done <hjmf> asac: Jazzva Thank you again, I'll have a happy afternoon now :) <Jazzva> Off to lunch and to sleep after that... see you later.' <Jazzva> Have fun, hjmf ;)... <hjmf> asac: just for the record, in the last days we are getting a relative high ammount of crashes because of usage of themes different than the default <hjmf> asac: bug #129007 ; bug #133277 <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129007 in firefox "MASTER firefox-bin crashed with crux theme [@moz_gtk_widget_paint] at #10" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129007 <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133277 in firefox "[GUTSY] firefox crashed [@moz_gtk_widget_paint at #6] [@nsNativeThemeGTK33ec:265c:71fe:e26d:2682:4ec2:aaa1:99abrawWidgetBackground] " [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133277 <hjmf> the master has 7 dups. <asac> hjmf: are those themes the reporter mention default themes? <hjmf> I have asked for feedback <hjmf> the guys in the master bug seem to use crux <Ubulette> hi <Ubulette> asac, did you have a chance to look at my mozclient branch ? <Ubulette> yet <Admiral_Chicago> hjmf: sorry i completely forgot about membership. I had meetings that drove that out of my head <Admiral_Chicago> congrats anyways hjmf <asac> Ubulette: not yet ... will try to remember tomorrow ... was probably too late yesterday :/ <asac> hjmf: is crux a standard theme (e.g. do we provide that by default?) <Ubulette> asac, we have a bug in nss-trunk <Ubulette> ca certs <Ubulette> asac, i think we moved libnssckbi.so in /usr/lib/nss instead of sonaming it in /usr/lib <Ubulette> hi gnomefreak ! <gnomefreak> hi Ubulette <Ubulette> how do you feel ? <gnomefreak> im gonna start xulrunner <gnomefreak> like shit i should have stayed in hospital <Ubulette> yep, you should have <gnomefreak> well in about 72 hours i should beable to eat something <Ubulette> don't play with your health. get some rest <gnomefreak> xulrunner should take a few hours to build so i can take meds and relax than upload <Ubulette> sure * gnomefreak slept all day. from about 4am its now 5:42 <Ubulette> :) * gnomefreak wishes oxycodine was stronger since im still always in pain <gnomefreak> bbs i got about 30 minutes until downloads are done than i will do updates than build i hope <asac> Ubulette: yesterday? you claimed that it is only the stgraber site that gives you the warning ... so what is the case now? <asac> gnomefreak: oh ... take care! <gnomefreak> will do im getting xulrunner for build atm <asac> what did the doctors say? <asac> gnomefreak: btw, hjmf became member today <asac> i said that I am sure that you would support him :) <gnomefreak> alther panreittus(sp) and its getting worse <asac> hope that wasn't wrong <gnomefreak> oh yes i would have <asac> gnomefreak: getting worse? <asac> gnomefreak: isn't there a plan for a cure? <Ubulette> asac, in fact, i was not impacted yesterday as a while ago, i did a symlink and forgot about it. i found at today at work <gnomefreak> yeah but there is only one thing i can do and the docrots cant seem to do it <gnomefreak> there is no cure <gnomefreak> its damaged and the only way to stop these attacks is to lower triglisorides <asac> Ubulette: we ship a symlink in firefox stable <asac> maybe we don't have it in xul/ffox= <asac> gnomefreak: is it the liver that is damaged? <asac> Ubulette: at least not shipping that symlink makes the certs disappear for stable ffox/tbird <gnomefreak> no pancrese <asac> from what i read you should really stay in hospital until this is fixed <asac> the cause was gallstones? <gnomefreak> no galbladder is good <asac> doesn't sound good (well at least its good:)) <asac> but i am sure you will recover :) <asac> Ubulette: asac@hector:~$ ls -l /usr/lib/firefox/libnssckbi.so <asac> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2007-09-01 19:11 /usr/lib/firefox/libnssckbi.so -> ../nss/libnssckbi.so <Ubulette> yes, but that's ugly <asac> erll ... i don't really think its ugly ... but i don't have a real opinion on it either <asac> why do you think its ugly? <Ubulette> 1/ nss is supposed to be standalone and 2/ ff and xul want system nss <gnomefreak> ok im going to pop pills and laydown while it builds <Ubulette> so a link between the two is (ihmo) ugly <asac> i don't think its ugly <asac> its just like a copy <asac> the idea is that apps ship their own certs <asac> so we link to the default nss certs <Ubulette> that lib is supposed to be internal to nss <asac> i don't think so * gnomefreak wonders why updates mounted my filesystem as an external disk :( <asac> apps should be allowed to ship and replace that lib with their own <asac> (assuming that its just a build-in cert lib) <asac> we could as well copy that lib to ffox dir ... but as long as we don't deviate from nss default certs we can just link <gnomefreak> well have fun <asac> gnomefreak: you are about to leave? <gnomefreak> to laydown and try to get rid of pain <asac> gnomefreak: please fix that thing. it really scares me. hope you don't eat <gnomefreak> im having beef broth <asac> beef? <asac> that doesn't sound like intravenous nutrition <gnomefreak> ill be back to normal by the weekend if not ill be back in hospital <gnomefreak> its clear liquid so i can have it <gnomefreak> concidered alteady <asac> ok ... just just thought that nothing should go into stomach at all <gnomefreak> no i have to eat but no solids or soda or nothing like that <asac> ok <asac> go early to hospital ... and get back to intravenous feeding ... if you don't see improvements <asac> (but who am i to tell you that) <gnomefreak> i will and if i keep throwing up ill be back there as well <asac> ok thanks! <gnomefreak> :) <asac> cu tomorrow <gnomefreak> you wont see me again till tomorrow most likely <gnomefreak> night <asac> hey ... i am out anyway :) <asac> so stay away as well ;) <asac> night <Ubulette> asac, if i soname it, trunk looks for this lib 1st in user profile (sonamed), then in /usr/lib/firefox-trunk/ (no longer sonamed), then in /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9a8pre/ (no soname) then in ld library/load path (still no soname) <Ubulette> so, it seems soname is not the right thing to do <Ubulette> asac, debian/libnss3-0d.links creates links in usr/lib/xulrunner which works for debian but is ugly with our /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9a8pre <Ubulette> as it will tie nss and xul <Ubulette> same thing with /usr/lib/firefox-{trunk,gp} <Ubulette> maybe xul should do that #ubuntu-mozillateam 2007-09-04 <shirish> Ubulette: you up m8? <shirish> anybody else up? <hjmf> Admiral_Chicago: thanks <hjmf> <asac> hjmf: is crux a standard theme (e.g. do we provide that by default?) <hjmf> asac: yes iirc <hjmf> asac: gtk2-engines and gtk2-engines-ubnutulooks are installed by default <hjmf> the themes that come with gtk2-engines are: libclearlooks.so libcrux-engine.so libglide.so libhcengine.so libindustrial.so libluaengine.so libmist.so libredmond95.so libsmooth.so libthinice.so <hjmf> asac: ^^^ <asac> hjmf: thanks <asac> hjmf: can you add the gtk2-engines package as a target to that bug and let me know? <asac> i will then bug seb about it <shirish> asac: you up m8? <asac> not really up ... but at least flat :) <shirish> lol :P <shirish> asac: Is Ubulette keeping gnash too in repository or know anybody who's doing that also? <asac> i don't think so <asac> i update gnash in official archives from time to time <shirish> asac: oh ok, for I saw gnash got to rc3 just a few days back. <asac> 0.8.1 ? <asac> ok thanks for the info <asac> i will talk to them if its worth another release <asac> but i hoped to have it final already :) <shirish> 2007-08-29 0.8.1 <shirish> http://www.gnashdev.org/?q=node/42 <shirish> asac: it would be nice to see the new version in ;) <asac> yes ... i will figure out ... if they plan to release final tomorrow or so then i will just wait :) <asac> but i doubt that it brings any significant improvements over what we currently have in gutsy <shirish> asac: I know what you mean, but who knows, for times when I'm on some sites with gnash, it just freezes, nothing happens :( <asac> if you can reproduce it by just starting gnash URL.swf ... then let me know <asac> upstream certainly wants more of those cases posted <shirish> asac: that way... ok. will try. For right now, I do know that for e.g. in facebook it sometimes freezes and I get some error. <shirish> asac: something about threads not cleaned up or something like that. <asac> hmm <asac> well reproducing in standalone gnash player is better to nail down the problem <shirish> asac: ok will try that, here's an excerpt of what happened yesterday, also day before that. <shirish> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36078/ <asac> shirish: but other flash things work for you? like youtube? <shirish> asac: some flash movies work on youtube, some don't, 40-60 perhaps. <shirish> asac: i.e. 40% working-60% not working something like that. <asac> strange <asac> but might be true ... what do you see in log for those that don't work? <asac> (e.g. on console) <shirish> asac: haven't really seen, would look & report back, where do you think the testcases should go? <shirish> asac: sorry I meant logs about movies which don't work, where they should go? <asac> to a bug report ... if its reproducible <asac> then we can forward upstream <asac> shirish: start ffox from console <shirish> asac: ok will do ;) <asac> then you will see the gnash output on console <shirish> asac: I always do that ;) whether ff, ff-gp or ff-tr ;) <asac> good <asac> then you should be well prepared ;) <shirish> asac: maybe you can help <asac> me? <asac> on what? <shirish> asac: I'm looking for one of those price comparator addons/scripts on greasemonkey, any recommendations or ideas? <asac> no ... i am really a user with little need for extra/addons et al <shirish> asac: or even just addons for ff which do price comparisions between some sites <asac> no idea ... sorry <shirish> asac: ok understood, any idea who would be the guy to know stuff like this? <asac> i think i only have ubufox extension installed :) <asac> no idea ... maybe on mozillazine forums <asac> at least they should point you to the right forum if its off-topic there <shirish> asac: does the mozillazine forums follow the https:// protocol? <asac> you really ask too much :) <asac> i would have to try to know :) <asac> http://forums.mozillazine.org/ <asac> its just http <shirish> asac: isn't that a pity :( <asac> maybe they use it for login <asac> otherwise ... its not really sensible data on there <asac> so ... i have no hard opinion on it <shirish> asac: negative, they don't use it for login also <asac> yeha ... i have no problem with it <asac> just pick a trivial password :) <asac> like "trivialpass" :) <shirish> lol, that's a good one ;) <asac> or "snifferscomein" <asac> snifferswelcome <shirish> asac: when you update a password, does it remember that it has been updated? It does though ask to remember. <asac> why don't you just try ... iirc it should ask you to remember <shirish> asac: I just tried, it makes another one, this is not good :( <asac> what do you mean? <asac> if you use a new login id you will have two afterwards <asac> when you use the same login id but change password it should overwrite from what i can tell <shirish> doesn't matter really, I just resolved it, I removed both stuff & did it right. <asac> ok ;) <asac> i am happy when you are happy :-D <shirish> :) <asac> at least until someone else gets unhappy :-P <shirish> asac: than <shirish> oops <shirish> I just wanted to say thank you for your efforts * shirish out, seista
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