#ubuntu-us-pa 2011-06-01 <JonathanD> morning. <rmg51> morning JonathanD <JonathanD> howdy rmg51 <rmg51> o/ <rmg51> back to getting up early again after your camping trip <JonathanD> Yup <JonathanD> I was still up at 6 yesterday, I just didn't get online :P <JonathanD> unpacked the car, instead. <rmg51> get your priorities straight <rmg51> first you say good morning here <rmg51> then you unpack the car ;-) <JonathanD> :P <JonathanD> Sorry, guess I left you to fend for yourself all morning eh? : <rmg51> I had to take over for you <rmg51> you started this thing <JonathanD> So I saw. <JonathanD> I appreciate it ;) <JonathanD> Carry the torch, man! <rmg51> either me or Teddy :-D <rmg51> ok, back to reading the paper <rmg51> the main reason for me awake this early <InHisName> Good Morning World! <JonathanD> howdy <InHisName> Dewdy <SamuraiAlba> good bacon to all! <ssweeny> mmm bacon <SamuraiAlba> has anyone here used Sardu? <SamuraiAlba> http://www.sarducd.it <PennBot> Title: SARDU - Multi Boot USB pendrive and CD or DVD Builder (at www.sarducd.it) <IdleOne> SamuraiAlba: I just recommended http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/ I haven't tried either but they both look to do the same thing <PennBot> Title: YUMI - Multiboot USB Creator (Windows) | USB Pen Drive Linux (at www.pendrivelinux.com) <IdleOne> that is a windows app mind you <SamuraiAlba> :> <ChinnoDog> I give up on Hyper-V. Its limitations are crimping my style. <ChinnoDog> And, Ubiquity kept crashing. <ChinnoDog> Ok, now Ubiquity crashes in vbox. Maybe my ISO is corrupt * ChinnoDog thinks everyone is sleeping <jedijf> ChinnoDog: you have no style <teddy-dbear> the bear is awake <teddy-dbear> the bear just doesn't care :-[ * teddy-dbear doesn't use or know anything about that stuff <ChinnoDog> :-( <jedijf> ntr-user: welcome <andrew> hi <ChinnoDog> PennBot: ntr-user? <PennBot> Wish I knew. <ChinnoDog> jedijf: Didn't you say 'ntr-user' is a default nick for something? <jedijf> ChinnoDog: it was the old kejava ntr image default. I know of one person who uses it, but ntr recently announced linux desktops for $35 and i wonder if they were using the old image <ChinnoDog> ntr-user: How new is your computer? <ChinnoDog> ntr-user is mute <InHisName> could be stale <ChinnoDog> ntr-user is stale? <InHisName> if it has been three years . . . . . version 8.04? Would you consider that one stale now or modern ? <ChinnoDog> stale <ChinnoDog> ntr-user: time to upgrade <teddy-dbear> time to upgrade to teddy bear level <teddy-dbear> I'm more active ;-) <jthan> Who likes Frank Sinatra? <teddy-dbear> Nancy Sinatra :-D <jthan> lol <teddy-dbear> and a cousin of that silly human of mine #ubuntu-us-pa 2011-06-02 <InHisName> and maybe a few NewJerseyites <JonathanD> Good morning. <InHisName> Good morning JonathanD and I thought I got up earlier than usual. <JonathanD> It's nice out :D <JonathanD> long run today, I think. <JonathanD> before it gets un nice. <rmg51> morning JonathanD InHisName <JonathanD> Howdy rmg51 <rmg51> o/ <InHisName> So far only the two of us /// three <InHisName> plus one (stuffed) <rmg51> you have to wait till later for Teddy <InHisName> Don't like dual lappys so early in morning ? <Bikie> Just call me a stuffed bicycle <JonathanD> Hello stuffed bicycle <Bikie> Hi JonathanD <JonathanD> off to run <rmg51> off to work <andrew> morning <teddy-dbear> morning andrew <InHisName> off to typing at chat - oops already there! <Bikie> High stuffed bear from a lowly stuffed bicycle <teddy-dbear> o/ <Bikie> teddy-dbear: o/ <teddy-dbear> \o <teddy-dbear> o/ <teddy-dbear> \o/ <teddy-dbear> :-D <InHisName> O:-) <Bikie> ~ __0 _-\<,_ (*)/ (*) <Bikie> bad insert - inhisname type for me <InHisName> ~ __0 <InHisName> _-\<,_ <InHisName> (*)/ (*) <teddy-dbear> ?????????????????? <PennBot> It has been said that ? is a question mark, silly, teddy-dbear <InHisName> Silly bear ?? are for people <InHisName> and trix are for kids <teddy-dbear> that I am PennBot` <SamuraiAlba> May the bacon be with you all <SamuraiAlba> Client called. Demands I be there in 15 minutes, 60 miles away, due to "hard drive failing" Windows Recovery Virus on his Pawn Shop PC that holds all the photos and dox for pawn transactions <SamuraiAlba> Friend of mine lives 5 blocks away and gives mee 40% of ALL business cash I send him <Bikie> Hey baconerizer! <SamuraiAlba> I told him, "EMERGENCY" rates. $100 normal, 100 emergency. PER HOUR <SamuraiAlba> He just arrived <SamuraiAlba> He's 5 blocks from Client <SamuraiAlba> Client aggreed to $200/hr <SamuraiAlba> AND... <SamuraiAlba> Friend is removing HD from PC and fixing it on a secure lappy <SamuraiAlba> Avg scan/fix there is 3.5/4hrs <SamuraiAlba> :) <Bikie> Whotta deal, IF you can succeed <SamuraiAlba> I fixxed that virus before <SamuraiAlba> takes 10 minutes... <SamuraiAlba> mostly copying files back from %temmpdir%/smtemp <Bikie> Oh, so you know the cause, then its easy. <SamuraiAlba> and unhiding his files in the program start menu <SamuraiAlba> friend is doing full, "If I find a rootkit the price doubles" scan, just to be safe <SamuraiAlba> I told him not to double... <SamuraiAlba> Client was crying and begging... <SamuraiAlba> I feel bad... <SamuraiAlba> ok.. bad feeling was just gas :) <SamuraiAlba> He's also being sued for $150k... Daughter caught a SECOND time downloading movies <SamuraiAlba> after I blocked em on the router... I blocked BT and a crap load of sites, and pirate bay <SamuraiAlba> she knew how to reset the router to factory, it seems <SamuraiAlba> 113 infections on PC, so far... <SamuraiAlba> told my subby to LITERALLY cut the ethernet cable, and block the PC MAC on the router <SamuraiAlba> no need for internet on that PC <SamuraiAlba> any file backups can be done via USB... <Bikie> wow - and probably more <SamuraiAlba> he said... <Bikie> No need for internet, what an improvement on that problem. <SamuraiAlba> "Why is there C:/Program files (x86)/Limewire"? <SamuraiAlba> and "wtf is microtorrent on here?!?" <Bikie> Pirate bay etc. <SamuraiAlba> *why the... <SamuraiAlba> ooog! <Bikie> Seems the blocks were remove quite a while ago. <SamuraiAlba> CLIENTS DAUGHTER was using PC all week at the shop, since he is now taking the cable modem with him when he leaves for work LOL <SamuraiAlba> I'm going down there on Saturday <Bikie> This guy need a 'button" to click and it tests router for factory default. Gives error if there. <SamuraiAlba> I'm instituting FULL lockdowns on ALL his WORK and HOME and PORTABLE devices. <SamuraiAlba> and guess who will be the system admin? <Bikie> Then another button to install your preset 'default' to put things back. <SamuraiAlba> _ME_ <SamuraiAlba> This client doesnt deserve admin access on his own tech. <SamuraiAlba> And I'm charging $600 for the day <SamuraiAlba> for when I go down <SamuraiAlba> I'm gonna secure that crap so tight, air wont get in or out of the pc case, figuratively speaking <Bikie> Until some hacker says 'watch me break air!!' <SamuraiAlba> lol <SamuraiAlba> This client is gettng an earfull, as we speak <andrew> Oh look, a wall of bacon. <SamuraiAlba> bacon?!?! <SamuraiAlba> where!? <SamuraiAlba> Luckily, my service contract WITH this client gives ME, and not HIM, the right to terminate the contract at any time :) <SamuraiAlba> Hiya, Andrew <andrew> the service contract gives you ME? <andrew> I feel sorry for you. <SamuraiAlba> umm <andrew> Along with anyone else forced to use Windows ME <SamuraiAlba> It states I may terminate the contract at any time, and he has to wait to the end of the contract if he wants it to end, and I dont <SamuraiAlba> ahhh <SamuraiAlba> just got the joke LOL <SamuraiAlba> This client makes my no no spot BLEED <SamuraiAlba> argh <SamuraiAlba> He keeps giving out his admin password and this crap ALWAYS happens <SamuraiAlba> I make about $140 a week off of him <SamuraiAlba> I told him he should make his daughter pay, but she is a colelge student and just lost her job <SamuraiAlba> what an idjit <SamuraiAlba> I need to head down there... <SamuraiAlba> Nao <SamuraiAlba> ttyl <Bikie> bye good porkin <ChinnoDog> Ubiquity is crashing in vbox. I can't win <ChinnoDog> I fixed it 0_0 <ChinnoDog> hrm. It crashed later on. * ChinnoDog shrugs #ubuntu-us-pa 2011-06-03 * InHisName wont shrug like Atlas did. <n2diy> the hard drive on my main box crashed, so I moved the the HD from my backup box into the main box. Everything seems ok except for some of the graphics. I.E. Mines takes for ever to load, initially, and between games. During this, Xorg is consuming most of the system memory? <jthan> Anyone ever had luck with adsense? * rmg51 has had plenty of luck with absentmindness :'( <pleia2> jthan: I make about $200/yr <pleia2> but it depends on the year, some are better than others <jthan> that's decent. I just added stuff today and my "potential earnings" are $24.00 <jthan> So I'm guessing my actual earnings will be much lower? <pleia2> I don't know about any of their fancy potential tracking stuffs <jthan> Well, I don't know what site you have your ads on and what not... but I did get 1000 some views in the past three hours <pleia2> wallaceandgromit.net gets me most of my money <pleia2> I don't have ads on most of my princessleia.com pages, only on a few <jthan> People actually click on that stuff? * jthan needs to learn how channel and all that stuff works <jthan> I'd be happy making $20/month to cover my linode, really. <pleia2> I've never made enough to cover hosting costs <jthan> Well if my "estimated earnings" are somewhat reflective of my actual earnings I'll be successful in that. <jthan> pleia2: plus you probably pay a lot more for hosting than I do.. <pleia2> I just have a $30 linode <pleia2> (well, I have another VPS too, but I wasn't counting that) <jthan> "just" * jthan is jealous <jthan> I think I'm going to have to go for godaddy or something of the like at this rate.. my bandwidth is quickly depleting, and the amount of users I have is tremendous. I didn't ever think the site would take off like it is. <jthan> I think it's due to the variety of articles/contributors I've got writing <jthan> I didn't think the wordpress plugin I was using was accurately reflecting page views because it seemed high, so I got google analytics going, and it's matching up. <JonathanD> Morning PA <InHisName> Howdy Doody JonathanD <rmg51> morning JonathanD, InHisName <InHisName> a little cooler outside this morning <JonathanD> howdy howdy <JonathanD> it's awesome outside <JonathanD> But I can't find my sneaks :/ <InHisName> then go 'bare-footin' <InHisName> My grass is awesome, how is yours ? <JonathanD> don't have very much of it :P <InHisName> Must be City , desert, rock quarry, or landfill dweller <InHisName> Later this summer my grass will be tan and crispy. AND 40 days tween mowings instead of 4. <JonathanD> city. ish. <InHisName> I suppose you can conjur up a virtual field of grass to run your imagination thru for joy in a morning like this. <JonathanD> InHisName: in the holodeck, yes. <JonathanD> I found my sneaks and did my workout, though. <ChinnoDog> hi ntr-use1 <ChinnoDog> Bikie: hi. I never noticed you here before <ssweeny> ChinnoDog is our welcoming committee <ChinnoDog> apparently <ChinnoDog> @seen Bikie <PennBot> ChinnoDog: Bikie was last seen in #ubuntu-us-pa 23 hours, 40 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <Bikie> bye good porkin <andrew> ssweeny: apparently our welcoming committee has missed a few ^ <ssweeny> tsk tsk <teddy-dbear> Bikie = InHisName <andrew> teddy-dbear = rmg51 <teddy-dbear> sometimes <Bikie> Yea, a stuffed bicycle <InHisName> ChinnoDog: You missed bikie's intro that he considered himself stuffed like a well known teddy. <InHisName> I forgot the enter key <ChinnoDog> hmm. I see #ubuntu-us-pa 2011-06-04 <Sadin> Hi everyone <ChinnoDog> hi <InHisName> Hi Sadin & ChinnoDog <JonathanD> hi <rmg51> o/ <rmg51> bye <waltman> *yawn* * InHisName yawns wider <ChinnoDog> sudden explosion of ntr-users <ChinnoDog> ntr-user: ntr-use1: ntr-use2: hello #ubuntu-us-pa 2011-06-05 <InHisName> aaaand there're still here not flash in the pan types (3 hours later) <InHisName> They're all the same IP addy. <Irishmanluke> morning <rmg51> morning Irishmanluke <mikedep333> morning <rmg51> o/ <andrew> morning <andrew> sweet, it really is still morning <rmg51> 'bo(u)t time you unplugged yourself andrew <JonathanD> Hi. <rmg51> Hi <JonathanD> hello rmg51 <rmg51> o/ <rmg51> \o <rmg51> \o/ <JonathanD> :) <Sadin> Woo new Ruby wrapper for the Forrst.com API came out today :D #ubuntu-us-pa 2011-06-06 <InHisName> Low news day ? <ChinnoDog> News flash: People are bad, stock market is down. The end. <Sadin> Hey guys is anyone in here good with Git? Im having issues that seem to be only ubuntu related <jthan> Shoot <Sadin> Im trying to setup git and when i run the step: <Sadin> ssh acolon@example.com i dont get the response im suposed to <Sadin> and i copy and pasted the correct commands <jthan> "the response?" <jthan> what response do you expect, sir? <jthan> You are trying to shell in to "github.com" as user "git" with the command you pasted. <Sadin> let me try it and ill past the command <jthan> http://paste2.org <PennBot> Title: Paste2: Next Generation Pastebin - New Paste (at paste2.org) <jthan> @pastebin <PennBot> I don't have a clue! <Sadin> its only one line <jthan> pastebin is http://paste2.org <PennBot> Title: Paste2: Next Generation Pastebin - New Paste (at paste2.org) <jthan> Sadin: okay just post to channel then <Sadin> i know thats what i planned on doing lol <Sadin> PTY allocation request failed on channel 0 <Sadin> i get that after using: <Sadin> ssh acolon@example.com <jthan> okay <jthan> try ssh -vv acolon@example.com and tell me what you get <Sadin> jthan ill gist that one sec <jthan> fyi I never used github. ONly ever my own git repo <Sadin> https://gist.github.com/1009666 <PennBot> Title: Sadin's gist: 1009666 Gist (at gist.github.com) <jthan> PTY allocation means you are authenticated, but don't have a console.. I believe. <Sadin> jthan im going to ask for help from my friend whos epic with gihub <jthan> Go for it. It doesn't seem like you're missing anything while authenticating. <Sadin> yeah thats whats confusing me <Sadin> jthan he doesnt know :( <jthan> Well - I'm writing a paper for my analytical writing class right now, but if you're going to be around later tomorrow night I can setup an account to try to mirror your results. <InHisName> Hi ntr-use1 etc <JonathanD> Morning. <rmg51> morning JonathanD <JonathanD> Howdy rmg51 <rmg51> o/ <JonathanD> Whats up? <rmg51> nothing this early <rmg51> just reading the paper and trying to spell while getting ready for work <InHisName> Good morning all <rmg51> \o * InHisName wonders do vegans eat tofu bacon ? <JonathanD> rmg51: sounds good. * rmg51 wonders if anyone really cares ;-) <rmg51> time for breakfast <JonathanD> mmm <JonathanD> tofu bacon? <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all! <ChinnoDog> InHisName: eggplant bacon, not tofu bacon <ChinnoDog> mm, milkshake for breakfast <InHisName> Hey is there a way to access previous copy buffer items ? <InHisName> in ubuntu of course <pleia2> killing pennbot so we can turn on ipv6 <ssweeny> woo! <pleia2> (linode needs to reboot to enable) <pleia2> andrew: bring back pennbot when you have a chance? <pleia2> inet6 addr: 33ec:265c:71fe:e26d:2682:4ec2:aaa1:99abf03c:91ff:fe96:f4c4/64 Scope:Global <pleia2> :) <pleia2> tomorrow night I'll add an AAAA record so ubuntupennsylvania.org can play ipv6 day too <andrew> ok <andrew> hrm... <andrew> there we go <andrew> took him a few tries to connect <pleia2> aww, he's all ipv6ized :) <andrew> isn't it so cute? <pleia2> @botsnack <PennBot> Nom nom nom <andrew> ipv6? <andrew> PennBot: IPv6 <PennBot> I don't know! <andrew> dern, somebody make it awesome <pleia2> PennBot: ipv6 is I haz it! <PennBot> Gotcha. <pleia2> ipv6? <PennBot> hmm... ipv6 is I haz it, pleia2 <pleia2> PennBot: forget ipv4 <PennBot> I didn't have anything matching "ipv4", pleia2. <pleia2> PennBot: forget ipv6 <PennBot> Okay. <pleia2> PennBot: ipv6 is <reply> I haz it! <PennBot> Okay! <pleia2> ipv6? <PennBot> I haz it <pleia2> good enough <rmg51> just what we need, another bot :-/ <andrew> ok, it is gone <Irishmanlukebot> hi <Irishmanluke> sorry guys <rmg51> :P <Irishmanluke> I'm playing with bash! <andrew> It's ok <andrew> wait <Irishmanluke> the bot is in bash <andrew> Irishmanluke: Mind doing that in a seperate channel? <rmg51> the bot is in the chat room :-D <Irishmanluke> not at all <Irishmanluke> I'm going to have to kill it #ubuntu-us-pa 2011-06-07 <JonathanD> Morning. <rmg51> morning JonathanD <JonathanD> hey rmg51 <rmg51> o/ <InHisName> Irishmanluke: are you around ? Still building a bot ? If so I have a room to practice in. <InHisName> morning everyone else <JonathanD> Morning. <JonathanD> Camping is 2 weeks away! <JonathanD> sign up if you want to come, and haven't already. <InHisName> I want to come but have too many conflicting choices that day. <andrew> camping is generally more than just a day * InHisName expands his conflict list to 2 & 3 days now. <andrew> JonathanD: I think he's just making excuses now. <InHisName> Fri nite dance recital for daughter. Sat Adoption celebration with 30 families + 4 other choices I have to miss out on. Sun Church, + Pot Luck [almost as good as camping] + 4 hours of freedom = done maybe can visit a yard sale or two if time slot opens. <JonathanD> move all the above events to the campsite. <JonathanD> Problem solved. <InHisName> Easier said than done. Interesting idea for next year though. <JonathanD> Dossy is coming, I hope... <andrew> JonathanD: pick a date for next year so he can schedule around it <JonathanD> andrew: so he can schedule everything for it, you mean ;) <JonathanD> andrew: I think we're doing one in sept or oct this year too <JonathanD> if the budget works out, anyway. <andrew> JonathanD: Geeknic LLC? <JonathanD> andrew: something like that. <JonathanD> andrew: I meant my personal budget :P <andrew> Child Labor LLC <JonathanD> Yes. <JonathanD> andrew: clearly if we don't increase geeknics quarterly profits by at 20% a year all our investors will pull out. <ChinnoDog> Investors? Peeps using FOSS are generally unwilling to spend any money. <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: right, but the above was all made up, so thats ok :P <JonathanD> Although I disagree. Our "users" are more than happy to put up a few bucks so we can all have a nice camping trip :) <andrew> JonathanD: But then our "investors" pull out, they won't have future workers of their own at Child Labor LLC <andrew> But if* <InHisName> Thanks rmg51, a restart was all that was needed to get the glipper to be fully functioning. <andrew> Step one of any tech support. <andrew> @later tell SamuraiAlba http://www.dennys.com/en/baconalia/BaconCam <PennBot> andrew: The operation succeeded. #ubuntu-us-pa 2011-06-08 <andrew> What's that site where people donate towards something, but only get charged if the goal is met? <andrew> ah yeah, chipin <InHisName> groupon people sign up to buy coupon and pass threshold then it is bought. <JonathanD> Morning. <rmg51> morning JonathanD <JonathanD> howdy rmg51 <rmg51> o/ <jedijf> ntr-user: who are you? <teddy-dbear> mystery person 8-) <InHisName> oh we lost ntr-user1, ntr-user2, and ntr-user3 all 4 were here for several days. Now just one. <JonathanD> ntr = Nonprofit Technology Resources? <teddy-dbear> yep <InHisName> Can new comers go to ntr web site and get to here ? maybe it is automatic assigned as ntr-user# <JonathanD> I don't see a means to do so. <teddy-dbear> neither did I <teddy-dbear> I ink it may be related to computers people buy <teddy-dbear> there may be something in there that gets then to us <JonathanD> are these linux running computers? <JonathanD> (and why here?) <InHisName> When 'real name' = Purple does that mean that is likely Pidgin running ? <JonathanD> Yes. <JonathanD> Hmmm <JonathanD> perhaps pre-configured pidgin? <JonathanD> that someone, at some time, setup to go here? <InHisName> seem like that a default setup to reach our little group here. <InHisName> Didn't Kevin Valentine setup the ntr drive to copy to each machine ? <JonathanD> I suspect thats it, InHisName <JonathanD> it's in the image/build. <ChinnoDog> Another one bites the dust <jedijf> those images are 3 years old <teddy-dbear> did you see this? http://ntrweb.org/special-computers-now-available/ <PennBot> Title: Nonprofit Technology Resources Â» Special Computers Now Available (at ntrweb.org) <InHisName> I wonder if they are still using the 3 year old images for the new builds ? <teddy-dbear> not from that link <teddy-dbear> the old image was for dsl <jedijf> teddy-dbear: the old(final) image was xubu <jedijf> we did dsl on the laptops <jedijf> xubu was the hard drive imager image <teddy-dbear> didn't remember that one <ChinnoDog> I like problems that solve themselves #ubuntu-us-pa 2011-06-09 <rmg51> comcast sucks tonight <pleia2> it's ok for me <pleia2> :) <pleia2> evening, rmg51! <rmg51> o/ <rmg51> I'm trying to get to System76 <rmg51> not having any luck on this laptop <pleia2> :\ <rmg51> I got to them on the xp box with clear <jedijf> happy ipv6 day <rmg51> not helping me any <pleia2> happy ipv6 day :) <jthan> Okay <jthan> let's have a chat <jthan> who's awake? <InHisName> I am barely awake, jthan <jthan> Hmm <InHisName> so what 's up jthan ? <jthan> Not much. Just seeing what everyone is up to. Any fun projectS? <InHisName> Study for CCNA - take breaks check my free money account. Read irc, etc. <jthan> "free money account?" <InHisName> http://www.virtapay.com/r/inhisname to check it out. $25 to sign up & $20 / day since last check in. Now in phase one of buy and sell digital products. Uggh mostly junk. Waiting for when it is floated to hard currencies. Could be several months or more. <PennBot> Title: Redirect (at www.virtapay.com) <InHisName> Nice play money while I wait. <JonathanD> Morning. <InHisName> Mawnin' JonathanD <rmg51> morning you two :) <JonathanD> hey guys <InHisName> Howdy Randy [ rmg51 ] <rmg51> 0/ <jedijf> ssweeny: I want a report on the 'scope after some usage please. <jedijf> ssweeny: that logic thing looks great too, just don't do enough to warrant it..actually all 3 look great, but I still have not opened my last 2 packages I think i will have to defer <jedijf> ntr-user: hello! <andrew> Morning <teddy-dbear> morning <n2diy> Can someone help me throttle my cpu fan? I've found the controller with sensors-detect, and the module is loaded, but pwmconfig says it can't find any pwm devices? <InHisName> How many wires does your fan use in its plug to MB ? 2 = hopeless <n2diy> InHisName, roger that, it is a tach. fan, three wire. <n2diy> I can throttle it in bios, but not with the OS. <InHisName> OK, motherboard may have supporting control, what does it say? <InHisName> Oh I see <InHisName> Need some software that accesses the bios commands and then you'll be good to go. <InHisName> Hold on while I go upstairs to see fan software name on that machine. I like it a lot supports lots fans FOSS. <n2diy> InHisName, well, lm-sensors is installed. <n2diy> roger <InHisName> Well, sorry n2diy, not what I thought it was. SpeedFan 4.34 for the OS we will not name here. <InHisName> Wost of all is it is read only of a LOT of stuff. No fan adjust. SMART drive temps, fans, etc. <n2diy> InHisName, ok, I'll try in asking in #ubuntu <InHisName> I'll poke around in my main box [ubuntu] might be something in there. <InHisName> My be propriatary as I find what I have. <n2diy> InHisName, roger that, I'll be lurking for awhile, worst comes to worse, I'll just manually set it in bios. <InHisName> I think that is how I have mine set, is via bios. <InHisName> I know I slowed them down to just enough noise to hear that they are running. MUCH quieter than turbo jet engine blast speeds. <n2diy> InHisName, roger that, this one sounds like a vacuum cleaner! <n2diy> No one is taking the bait in #ubuntu, so I'll probably end up doing that. <n2diy> Though I hate to loose my four hours of uptime. :) <InHisName> 4 hours is nuttin' if you had 4,000 hours THEN I might be a smidgen sad for you. <InHisName> I never get that high any more, ubuntu update manager ever so often demands to be restarted. <n2diy> If this box had 4000 hours of uptime, it wouldn't have a tach. fan onboard. Most of my stuff is circa 1995, don't know when the sensor boards came out? And that is my big beef with X/Ubuntu, you can't tell the update manager to shut up. <n2diy> Well, I'm going to drop into bios, before I suffer any more hearing damage. <InHisName> I'm pretty sure you can tell it to shut up. I chose not too long ago. Many of the updates are appreciated. At least for this box. <InHisName> If you had a hand held game machine that play game with NO beefs. Then why ask for trouble with updates ? <teddy-dbear> you can go into settings in update manager and uncheck check for updates <InHisName> googling for linux seems mostly to turn up lm-sensors for controlling things via bios from the OS. <InHisName> I installed lm-sensors drivers long ago but have not used them lately. <InHisName> I recall 11.04 told me that lm-sensors is on list of things on way out door. <InHisName> And I shouldn't use. <InHisName> Just before you logged back in, teddy-dbear said this: (10:02:10 AM) teddy-dbear: you can go into settings in update manager and uncheck check for updates <n2diy> InHisName, roger that, I had this setup and working, but after a power failure, it quit throttling the fan, and I haven't been able to get it working again. And very good on lm-sensor going bye bye, I came across the same thing, looks like wmsensors might be the way to go? <InHisName> Good to know that, as I had not heard of replacements yet. <n2diy> Not sure of that, but I found it in synaptic. It looks like it requires gnome to run. Just more bloat for the WM. <InHisName> wmSensors is a dockable (under WindowMaker, AfterStep, etc.) application for monitoring various computer peripheral parameters (most notably, MoBo and CPU temperature, fan rotation speed, etc) under FreeBSD. AND --- seems to have connection to lm-sensors <InHisName> wmsensors is a WindowMaker applet that shows bar graphs of the information available through the lm-sensors interface <n2diy> InHisName, ok, so it does the same thing as my xfce4-sensor applet is doing. <InHisName> I'm still trying to find how to use it. Just instaled May need something called : WindowMaker <InHisName> I started from terminal and 1/2" square window started. <InHisName> Clicking on it opens a terminal window showing all data read and displayed. <InHisName> Still no graphical bars etc. yet. <InHisName> Ok missing something .... XIO: fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0.0" <InHisName> after 8384 requests (7740 known processed) with 0 events remaining. <InHisName> all quiet again I haven't learned much more on running lm/wm-sensors yet. <BeckySanderlin_x> @weather 19802 <PennBot> BeckySanderlin_x: The current temperature in BrightFields, Inc., Wilmington, Delaware is 94.8Â°F (6:15 PM EDT on June 09, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 75.2Â°F. Pressure: 29.76 in 1007.7 hPa (Falling). Excessive heat warning in effect until 8 PM EDT this evening... #ubuntu-us-pa 2011-06-10 <JonathanD> oh look <JonathanD> hi ntr-user <rmg51> oh look <rmg51> hi JonathanD <rmg51> :-D <JonathanD> hi rmg51 <JonathanD> Good morning. <rmg51> maybe for you :-/ <rmg51> I'd like to think I got some sleep before morning <rmg51> care to make a bet? <rmg51> I say ntr-user won't respond <JonathanD> I know they wont <JonathanD> did we establish that they are, in fact, part of the ntr builds? <rmg51> I don't think so <JonathanD> it's rather warm today. <rmg51> it just makes sense <JonathanD> going to do a little research. <rmg51> the rain should cool things off a bit <pleia2> I don't miss the heat, but those crazy evening thunderstorms that cooled everything off were always nice <JonathanD> I have to escape - in regex, yes? <pleia2> we don't have thunderstorms here, it's a little sad <JonathanD> that is, ntr\-user.* <rmg51> just not reason enough to move back <JonathanD> thunderstorms are fun. <JonathanD> pleia2: we inherited some hurricane lamps <JonathanD> grandmas service is sunday :/ <rmg51> not if you are outside <JonathanD> rmg51: they are more fun outside. <rmg51> if you like to get wet <JonathanD> I was knocked out once during a thunderstorm. <pleia2> JonathanD: hugs <JonathanD> I went out to put the mower away <JonathanD> something noisy and bright happened (I think lightning struck the house) <JonathanD> I found myself in the kitchen on the floor. <JonathanD> it was exciting <JonathanD> thanks pleia2 <JonathanD> we're going to longwood gardens <rmg51> I'm going to sleep ;-) <JonathanD> sleep? <PennBot> I guess sleep is for the weak, JonathanD <JonathanD> I agree pleia2 <JonathanD> erm, PennBot <pleia2> pfft, you sleep at night all the time <pleia2> you go to bed at like 9 <JonathanD> pleia2: I've been gettting up earlier and earlier <JonathanD> I now get up at 8pm :P <rmg51> I get up much to early :P <pleia2> JonathanD: haha <rmg51> if only <JonathanD> pleia2: I woke up today at 3:45 <JonathanD> and couldn't get back to sleep <rmg51> but then I would never get a paycheck <JonathanD> the upside, I went for a jog at sunrise, before it got to 100F <InHisName> Hi BeckySanderlin_x <BeckySanderlin_x> ? <BeckySanderlin_x> k.. hi <InHisName> I haven't noticed you online in quite a while. <BeckySanderlin_x> umm. <BeckySanderlin_x> been online, just not in here/on freenode <BeckySanderlin_x> oh. my windows machine blew .. thats why. <InHisName> Glad you are back. <BeckySanderlin_x> and i was.. what was i doing.. <BeckySanderlin_x> i couldnt find a pc that worked in this house <BeckySanderlin_x> then i got the Dell to work so I looked around for a distro to add <BeckySanderlin_x> finally settled on Peppermint, so ive been hanging out there <BeckySanderlin_x> then school ended and now im just lounging <InHisName> I've heard of mint, now there is PepperMint ? <BeckySanderlin_x> .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppermint_Linux_OS <ChinnoDog> hello BeckySanderlin_x <BeckySanderlin_x> ahh <BeckySanderlin_x> sorry, running an Endgame Marathon <BeckySanderlin_x> hallo <ChinnoDog> BeckySanderlin_x: haven't seen you here in awhile <BeckySanderlin_x> read above <ChinnoDog> BeckySanderlin_x: there is a lot to read. Can you give me the one line summary? <BeckySanderlin_x> start at 21:51 <ChinnoDog> Your windows PC "blew"? Did it have a core melt down? <BeckySanderlin_x> dont know. PSU i guess. Havent touched it. <BeckySanderlin_x> sorry, im in the middle of a Endgame Marathon <ChinnoDog> k <BeckySanderlin_x> Canada TV cancelled it so I want to check it out <BeckySanderlin_x> its like Numb3rs + Monk + Dick Tracy <JonathanD> morning. <InHisName> Awww, I was gonna type morning and wonder if I was first to be awake. <JonathanD> I've been up an hour already, InHisName :) <JonathanD> just got done washing dishes. <InHisName> Pppptttthhhhhsss <InHisName> Did you have an obnoxious short storm by you last night ? <JonathanD> es. <JonathanD> yes. <InHisName> So far don't seen any residuals left behind. <rmg51> morning <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all! <InHisName> baconizer just swoops in then leaves so soon <andrew> If you are using Google Chrome 12 (if it's updated via apt, you should be up to 12) and Ubuntu 11.04, about:flags -> "Experimental GNOME menu bar support." <ChinnoDog> hi BeckySanderlin_x <BeckySanderlin_x> k <Sadin> http://www.thisweekinlinux.com/2011/06/u1110a1/ so the new alpha ubuntu dropped gnome :( im sad now <Sadin> and apparently its VERY unstable :O <BeckySanderlin_x> Woot <BeckySanderlin_x> http://peppermintos.com/2011/06/peppermint-two-now-officially-available/ <PennBot> Title: Peppermint Two Now Officially Available | Peppermint OS (at peppermintos.com) <jedijf> wow, it's october....why is it so warm...... <andrew> October? <jedijf> if 11.10 wasn't broken i'd be pissed...canonical employees would get 4 months pay for nothing <jedijf> < Sadin> http://www.thisweekinlinux.com/2011/06/u1110a1/ so the new alpha ubuntu dropped gnome :( im sad now <jedijf> 12:48 < Sadin> and apparently its VERY unstable :O <pleia2> yeah, alpha1 is supposed to be unstable <ssweeny> plus they didn't drop gnome, they just upgraded to the new gnome <BeckySanderlin_x> hence, alpha? <pleia2> yeah, it's already known that gnome2 is going away <jedijf> ssweeny: shill <jedijf> :P <ssweeny> jedijf, whatever could you mean? <jedijf> i think i like unity better than 3 <jedijf> gnome3 <ssweeny> in the interest of fairness gnome3 breaks natty too <jedijf> i have gnome3 on my arch install to play with * ssweeny uses the PPA <ssweeny> but not on my work machine <ssweeny> may actually switch to xubuntu on my work machine <ssweeny> unity doesn't like my multi-monitor display sometimes <jedijf> ssweeny: real xubu of just xfce4 or wahtever its up to <jedijf> s/of/or <ssweeny> jedijf, aptitude install xubuntu-desktop <jedijf> the whole shebang <jedijf> that's gnome2 with xfce4 * ssweeny is not a software segregationist <ssweeny> i'll run whatever as long as it all plays nice <jedijf> you know what would be kinda cool, if yearly, the ubuntu rotated through each ofthe officials <jedijf> like 2012 xubu, 2013 kubu, 2014 unity or whatever <ssweeny> that surely wouldn't have any unintended consequences <jedijf> upgrades would suck <jedijf> lol <Sadin> Hey chinnodog remember those problems i was having with my junkers HD <Sadin> but fixed? <Sadin> well its dead now D: <ChinnoDog> Sadin: :-( <ChinnoDog> gotta run. bbl <Sadin> kk lol <Sadin> I think i have to go for a bit too #ubuntu-us-pa 2011-06-11 <Sadin> Anyone know any good software to recommend for Ruby or task management in ubuntu? <pleia2> "for Ruby"? <pleia2> and I use task <Sadin> The Ruby programming language <pleia2> right, for programming in Ruby? <Sadin> yes :) <pleia2> ah <pleia2> pretty sure eclipse has ruby plugins <Sadin> yeah ive been using RadRails but i was just wondering if anyone knew of anything else (RadRails can be a plugin for eclipse but i use the stand alone version) <Sadin> im going to check out task pleia2 thanks! <Sadin> Pleia2 i love task! thanks so much! <Sadin> question my memory meter on my gnome panel is showing ALOT of memory cache and i think it might be slowing me down can i clear it/should i and how? <jthan> Evening all <Sadin> hello jthan <jthan> How are you? <Sadin> jthan sorry i was away :) im good yourself? <jthan> Good * InHisName keeps thinking he's good for ..... sumpin' <mikedep334> so this is why sabdfl predicts MS will ultimate end up opposing software patents altogether <mikedep334> http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/09/microsoft-loses-290-million-patent-battle-begins-searching-cou/ <PennBot> Title: Microsoft loses $290 million patent battle, begins searching couch cushions -- Engadget (at www.engadget.com) <mikedep334> "While the outcome is not what we had hoped for, we will continue to advocate for changes to the law that will prevent abuse of the patent system and protect inventors who hold patents representing true innovation," Microsoft spokesman Kevin Kutz said in an email statement. <JonathanD> oh <JonathanD> I forgot to say good morning. <JonathanD> Good morning. <JonathanD> Wait <JonathanD> 10:00:00 < JonathanD> Good morning. <JonathanD> Thats better <rmg51> silly JonathanD <rmg51> good morning JonathanD <rhpot1991> pleia2: bah, apparently I had to renew my ubuntu membership and I didn't see the emails cause of a filter, any idea how I fix this now? <pleia2> rhpot1991: send an email to acolon@example.com explaining and we'll get you readded #ubuntu-us-pa 2011-06-12 <andrew> thats-a-really-long-email-address <andrew> http://twitter.com/#!/thomasfuchs/status/78835370816585728 <PennBot> Title: Twitter (at twitter.com) <Sadin> Hey everyone <andrew> hi <Sadin> Would you all reccomend updating to 11.04 on my desktop or just acolon@example.com <andrew> I use it <andrew> and if you don't like Unity, you can continue using 11.04, but switch back to gnome <Sadin> Guys im having a problem with my 10.10 desktop the background isnt redrawing in a certin section of my second moniter any ideas? <Sadin> ChinnoDog i got a new HD from a flee market :D 10$ <ChinnoDog> Sadin: flea market hard drives aren't known for their longevity, but gl <Sadin> ChinnoDog its working so im happy with it lol <ChinnoDog> hello BeckySanderlin_x <BeckySanderlin_x> Hello ChinnoDog <BeckySanderlin_x> question: if i wast to perform a backup of this system, what should I back up? <rmg51> basically, home <BeckySanderlin_x> k <BeckySanderlin_x> thanks, leaving again to upgrade <BeckySanderlin_x> \o <rmg51> o/ #ubuntu-us-pa 2011-06-13 <mutantturkey> o/ <mutantturkey> long time no I -R- See <mutantturkey> jedijf: any opinion on system76? <rmg51> Teddy has one of their laptops <mutantturkey> any idea if it is well suited? <mutantturkey> I mean they look nice enough, I am not sold on the stats though, <mutantturkey> 699 for a shitty i3 is just not worth it. * mutantturkey grabs the swear-jar <jedijf> mutantturkey: it depends on circumstance, but i do believe that you can get more with mainstream deals and installing yourself <rmg51> then you don't want to here the stats on Teddy's :-D <mutantturkey> jedijf: hmmm, I have 800+ dollars. any suggestions? <mutantturkey> also, o/ havent been around in forever. working 2 jobs and going to school <rmg51> save save save <mutantturkey> rmg51: I have saved, I need a laptop for work <jedijf> mutantturkey: np, work and school is good. my theory is always get the most for the buck...i have no brand preferences <rmg51> you may want to look at zareason as well <mutantturkey> jedijf: also, I don't want to pay 100+ EXTRA for windows I wont use.. <mutantturkey> also, the system 76 lappys look very "mac" ish, meaning, simple, and cleanly designed <mutantturkey> I am sick of flashy crappy laptops made from cheap materials, I want a damn nice case. <waltman> <cough>macbook</macbook> <mikedep334> it's hard to compare models, but dealigg.com covers all the latest laptop deals <waltman> meh <jedijf> mutantturkey: you may be a lenova/thinkpad/ideapad person <mikedep334> http://www.dealigg.com/cat-best-price-ComputersLaptop <PennBot> Title: Best Computer - Laptop Deals, Coupon Codes Discount, Rebates at Dell Best Buy, Newegg and More! (at www.dealigg.com) <mutantturkey> jedijf: I have gotten alot of reccomendations for the stinkpads <mikedep334> just keep in mind that ubuntu compatibility is hard to find for the average computer <jedijf> mutantturkey: nad what waltman said <mikedep334> *is hard to find out <mikedep334> do know 2 things <mutantturkey> mikedep334: I don't use ubuntu :p <mutantturkey> but anyway, here is my rule: stick with intel internals, and you'll be fine. <mikedep334> 1, core i3, i5 & i7 CPU models with 4 digits, like 2310, 2410, 2630QM are all the latest series of intel chips <mikedep334> with much better graphics for one thing <mikedep334> the older models are like 650, 480M, etc <mutantturkey> mikedep334: yeah, that's what I am going for <mikedep334> also <mutantturkey> probably an i5 or some such. <mikedep334> AMD's fusion process are coming out anyday now <mikedep334> but if you do go with a the very latest models, linux compatibility may not be as good <mikedep334> mutantturkey, do you use windows? <mutantturkey> mikedep334: arch linux <mutantturkey> mikedep334: yeah, but it will still be good. <mutantturkey> I have an atom330 right now... <mutantturkey> anything is better <mikedep334> one thing though <mikedep334> if your distro is like Ubuntu and includes proprietary firmware modules <mikedep334> intel wi-fi is well supported <mikedep334> Intel graphics also works the best under linux, but you will need a new Xorg, mesa, kernel, etc for the new intel core i3/i5/i7 #### series graphics (the "Sandy Bridge" platform/CPU's) <mutantturkey> what do you mean a new Xorg? <mikedep334> I'm pretty sure Ubuntu users have to use Ubuntu 11.04 for that, or install messy PPA's on 10.10 <mutantturkey> archlinux is rolling release :) we literally use anything upstream. <mikedep334> mutantturkey, ahh, right! <mutantturkey> the second upstream releases we pull it. <mutantturkey> so basically that means we don't have to deal with bugs <mikedep334> mutantturkey, without applying any patches? <mutantturkey> because It's all upstreams fault :) <mutantturkey> we try to not. <mutantturkey> the less patches the better, mostly we are ok without thme <mikedep334> cool <mutantturkey> anything old we drop, so no patches <mutantturkey> we already dropped gnome 2.x <mikedep334> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=fedora_15_snb&num=1 <PennBot> Title: [Phoronix] Intel Sandy Bridge On Fedora 15 Is Decent (at www.phoronix.com) <mutantturkey> I don't know much with fedor <mutantturkey> what is sandy bridge exactly though <mikedep334> I'm just linking to an article about sandy bridge <mikedep334> the latest one <mikedep334> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel_snbsds_compare&num=1 <PennBot> Title: [Phoronix] Intel SNB Linux Driver Can Out Run Windows Driver (at www.phoronix.com) <mutantturkey> again, we can outdoo any regular distro <mutantturkey> because whever anything happens upstream we have minimal lag time <mikedep334> mutantturkey, enjoy doing that :) <mutantturkey> I will admit, the lack of package signing is a bit urksome, <mutantturkey> but other than that it is good. <mikedep334> I actually do want to try either gentoo or arch sometime soon <mutantturkey> I am really wanting to try out the latest ubu though, I hear it's cleaned up alot <mikedep334> mostly for the rolling release system <mutantturkey> mikedep334: i suggest arch, great community. <mikedep334> mutantturkey, yeah <mutantturkey> mikedep334: again though, for servers and stuff, I still use debian or ubuntu <mikedep334> but I want to compile stuff on my quad-core core i5 <mikedep334> mutantturkey, right, rolling release isn't as good for servers <mutantturkey> though I swear it is... because we get all the latest security fixes :) <jedijf> debian is the server best....old and tested.... <mikedep334> yeah <jedijf> Suy breakage is too risky <mutantturkey> jedijf: i hear they are going rolling release <jedijf> seeing is believing <mutantturkey> right. <mutantturkey> anyway hmmmm what to pick for a laptop! <jedijf> lenova....you don't neeed all the flash and hoopla, <mikedep334> mutantturkey, what size/weight were you thinking of? <mutantturkey> mikedep334: no idea <mutantturkey> 13.3 inch probably <mutantturkey> max battery <mutantturkey> doesn't matter. <mikedep334> ahh <mutantturkey> jedijf: i also want it to hold up well, do they? <mikedep334> I think there's a good toshiba like that <mutantturkey> 13-15 inch <mikedep334> at best buy & newegg <jedijf> mutantturkey: they are tough <jedijf> mutantturkey: i use old thinkpads in my van ....winter/summer on the road..bumps..potholes <mutantturkey> mikedep334: newegg :) <mutantturkey> jedijf: right on <mikedep334> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Toshiba+-+Portege+Laptop+/+Intel%26%23174%3B+Core%26%23153%3B+i3+Processor+/+13.3%22+Display+/+4GB+Memory+/+640GB+Hard+Drive+-+Blue/1930072.p?id=1218301623975&skuId=1930072 <PennBot> Title: Toshiba - Portege Laptop / Intel Core i3 Processor / 13.3" Display / 4GB Memory / 640GB Hard Drive - Blue - R835-P50x (at www.bestbuy.com) <jedijf> and they live there...so temperature extremes <mutantturkey> jedijf: right <mikedep334> looks like newegg sold out of the older toshiba R835 model <mikedep334> newegg was selling the one before the HDD controller errata was fixed <mikedep334> http://www.adorama.com/TOR835P56.html?utm_term=Other&utm_medium=Shopping%20Site&utm_campaign=Other&utm_source=gbase <PennBot> Title: PT324U-008003 Toshiba Portege R835-P56X 13.3 inch Notebook, Intel Core i5-2410M 2.3GHz Processor, 4GB RAM, 640GB Hard Drive, Windows 7 Home Premium, Blue (at www.adorama.com) <mikedep334> I love how it's only 3.2 lbs <mikedep334> http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-Portege-R835-P56x-13-3-Inch-Magnesium/dp/B004G8QOJS <mikedep334> lol <mikedep334> http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/en_US/pd/productID.224539100?WT.mc_id=mercent&mr:trackingCode=DE3AFEE5-7264-E011-BBD9-001517384908&mr:referralID=NA <PennBot> Title: Microsoft Store Online - Toshiba Portege R835 - Buy from Microsoft Store (at www.microsoftstore.com) <mutantturkey> so many links D: <mutantturkey> wait these are all the same.. <mikedep334> yeah <mikedep334> this looks like the most common R835 variant <mutantturkey> do you think i should get one? <mikedep334> although I'm not sure about the microsoftstore.com model <mikedep334> mutantturkey, do more research <mikedep334> and price shopping <mikedep334> eg, shopping.google.com <mikedep334> but from what I've seen <mikedep334> it looks awesome <mutantturkey> mikedep334: I don't really know anything about laptops... <mutantturkey> or computers really ( hardware wise) <mikedep334> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=toshiba+r385+linux#sclient=psy&hl=en&source=hp&q=toshiba+r835+linux&aq=f&aqi=g-b1&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=a17560d1ef61d5f5&biw=1264&bih=1287 <PennBot> Title: toshiba r385 linux - Google Search (at www.google.com) <mikedep334> mutantturkey, ok, read the user reviews on amazon <jedijf> mutantturkey: newegg has a lenovo i7 for 800 <mikedep334> and make what you can out of the hardware specs <mikedep334> just keep in mind <mikedep334> rarely do you find a laptop with a powerful process at only 3.2 lbs <mikedep334> and good battery life <mutantturkey> jedijf: link? <mutantturkey> mikedep334: how good? 8+? <mikedep334> ok, looks like microsoftstore.com is selling the R835-p55x, not the R835-p65x <mikedep334> reportedly, upto 9 hours <mikedep334> lets check the cnet review <mikedep334> http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/portege/R830/R835-P55X/ <mikedep334> that's the microsoftstore.com model <mutantturkey> P55 vs P56? <mikedep334> http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/toshiba-portege-r835-p56x/4505-3121_7-34449812.html#reviewPage1 <PennBot> Title: Toshiba Portege R835-P56X Review - Watch CNET's Video Review (at reviews.cnet.com) <mikedep334> whoops, right <mikedep334> P55 vs P56 <mikedep334> "The biggest surprise is the vastly improved battery life, topping 7 hours, and beating even the 13-inch MacBook Pro" <mikedep334> yeah, for a 13.3" laptop or a 3.2 lb laptop to have a regular laptop powerful processor (eg, not a ULV (Ultra-Low-Voltage)) CPU and get 7 hours of battery life is unheard of <mikedep334> it even has a dvd burner too <mikedep334> just read the user reviews <mikedep334> on amazon or cnet.com <mikedep334> only thing missing is bluetooth <mikedep334> oh, the 3 different types of USB ports is really nice <jedijf> mutantturkey: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834246094 <PennBot> Title: Newegg.com - lenovo IdeaPad Y560p 43972AU NoteBook Intel Core i7 2630QM2.00GHz 15.6 4GB Memory DDR3 1333 500GB HDD 5400rpm DVDRRW AMD Radeon HD 6570M (at www.newegg.com) <mikedep334> jedijf, yeah, that's good if you want a powerhouse, even though it will only get upto 2 to 2.5 hours of real world battery life <mikedep334> the toshiba portege R835 is meant to be a different type of laptop <mikedep334> eg, it's 5.95 lbs <mikedep334> it's also much better at gaming <mutantturkey> I don't game <mutantturkey> I don't like hot craptops <mikedep334> mutantturkey, every quad-core core i7 laptop I believe has to have dedicated graphics <mutantturkey> I don't want a desktop.... I want a laptop. <mikedep334> so they almost always have better graphics <mikedep334> yeah <jedijf> mutantturkey: i would go to microcenter and 'feel' different brands so you have an idea what to expect even if you online a different model <mutantturkey> if i wanted a quad core, i would get a desktop <mikedep334> that ideapad is a true "desktop replacement" <mutantturkey> jedijf: you are a microcenter fan too? my friend raves about them <jedijf> mutantturkey: best thing evar <jedijf> and they sell bawls <jedijf> and caffeinated candy bars <mutantturkey> oh shucks <mutantturkey> better go there <mutantturkey> are the clocks relevant anymore? <jedijf> 476 south--villanova exit---left at the bottom of ramp - left at 2nd light <mutantturkey> villanova? nice. <mutantturkey> probably will head up this weekend <mikedep334> mutantturkey, the best buy at KoP, next to the mall, has the best buy variant of the toshiba R835 <mikedep334> they also have TONS of laptops <mikedep334> in general <mutantturkey> I don't like best buy <mutantturkey> call me crazy, call me what you will. But I HATE it there. <mikedep334> mutantturkey, ok, fair enough <jedijf> use them to see/feel product <mutantturkey> I go in asking a few technical questions, they pretend like I don't know what I am looking for. <jedijf> and then get a gino giant <mutantturkey> "oh you must be looking for a $9000 laptop" <mutantturkey> mikedep334: what do you think of the i5's? <mikedep334> mutantturkey, like 67% of the laptops at best buy are under $500 <jedijf> rmg51: you have an i7 right? <rmg51> yep <mikedep334> I have a quad-core core i5 in my desktop <rmg51> 720m <mikedep334> the 1st gen of them <mikedep334> the i5-750 <mikedep334> I love it <mikedep334> but the sandy bridge models are a large improvement for the dual core variants <mikedep334> and the amount of performance they offer per mhz/core is huge <mikedep334> also <mutantturkey> so I should get one of the newer ones? <mikedep334> i5's have "turboboost" <mutantturkey> DUMB. <mikedep334> mutantturkey, assuming it will run ArchLinux well, yes <jedijf> mutantturkey: too nice hardware may conflict with the "Arch Way".... <mutantturkey> jedijf: not suprisingly, I find that most of them use relatively poweful hardware <mikedep334> when only 1 core is in use, it overclocks it * jedijf checks the credo <mutantturkey> the Arch way, while nice in concept boils down to one this "It better just damned work, however I want it" <mutantturkey> mikedep334: yeah, most stuff is written for multicore anyways in linux <mikedep334> yeah <mikedep334> also <mikedep334> the dual-core core i5's always have "hyper-threading" <mutantturkey> anyway my parents are getting me a laptop for college, so they said 800 bucks + anything i can add on, and that's my christmas and birthday. <mutantturkey> mikedep334: hyperthreading. LOL <mutantturkey> well actually, on my intel atom it's like a 20% performance boost when i use it <mikedep334> mutantturkey, yup <mikedep334> I compiled a kernel on my fraternity brother's netbook <mikedep334> it was like 20% faster <mikedep334> with make -j2 <mutantturkey> yeah exactly. <mutantturkey> use -j4 <mutantturkey> why -j2? <mutantturkey> or -j3 <mikedep334> his netbook only had 1 physical core <mikedep334> -j2 offered about the same performance as -j3 <mutantturkey> oh. <mikedep334> it was hard to tell <mutantturkey> mine is a desktop 330 <mutantturkey> so i have dual + ht <mutantturkey> i do -j3 so I have one core to browse+ music whatever. <mikedep334> reportedly you should use 1 more job than logical cores you have <mikedep334> some say to even use twice as many jobs <mutantturkey> oh really? <mutantturkey> I always heard, one less than. <mikedep334> at least the number of cores you have <mutantturkey> anyway, on an Atom, it's all a joke. <jedijf> mutantturkey: where you going to college? <mutantturkey> but, compile the kernel in a ramfs and that's a nice speedup <mikedep334> an easy benchmark is the linux kernel with "allnoconfig" <mutantturkey> jedijf: montco still for now, but I am getting a job at drexel working for a professor for a comp sci project all summer <mutantturkey> montco again till the spring, then temple in the fall probably. <mikedep334> that way it compiles a more reasonable amount of the kernel <jedijf> mutantturkey: nice <mutantturkey> mikedep334: I have an extensivly modified kernel <mutantturkey> no autoload modules or anything, <mutantturkey> autoload is dumb. <mutantturkey> I mean, it's nice, except that It re-figures out what you have every time <mutantturkey> they should cache it, then if you have some new hardware, you can manually load it. <mutantturkey> the overhead is a few seconds of wasted life <mikedep334> yeah <mutantturkey> anyway. <mutantturkey> jedijf: yeah I am pretty psyched except ridiculously busy. <jedijf> mutantturkey: welcome to adulthood <jedijf> 'ish <mutantturkey> so that's going to be 2 jobs, both with like 25+ hours a week, then going to school (summer semster) + music and stuff + girlfriend. <mutantturkey> fml. <jedijf> mutantturkey: i would use
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