#ubuntu-desktop 2008-04-01 <pochu> asac: does https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/@@/bug-status-expand loads for you from firefox3? It doesn't here, though works with ephy <pochu> asac: clearing the cache fixed it <manchicken_> So it looks like the gvfs issue has mostly been resolved. Was it fixed, scrapped, or worked-around somehow? <Amaranth> fixed, mostly <Amaranth> just needed a bit of polish, the framework and features were there <Amaranth> well, a lot of polish, people worked their ass off on it <manchicken_> It certainly appears that way. <manchicken_> I'm impressed. <manchicken_> Hardy is looking rather nice right now. <manchicken_> I'm upgrading my laptop right now. <Amaranth> it went from "we're boned" to "wow this stuff works" in about a month <manchicken_> The only annoyance is the flash and ia32 issues. <manchicken_> Yeah, I remember last we spoke you seemed rather jaded. <manchicken_> I usually switch to the latest version shortly before it releases to help with testing. <manchicken_> System76 hates it though, because I'll actually bother poor Tom Aaron over there with my questions. <manchicken_> He's a champ though. <Amaranth> haha <manchicken_> I've never had such good support as what I get with System76. <manchicken_> I wish they had a small business support contract. I'd sign it with them in a heartbeat. Tom Aaron has personally pulled my rear out of the blaze several times. <manchicken_> If only all folks provided after-sale support as well. <manchicken_> Amaranth: Do you use gedit for hacking? <Amaranth> yep <Amaranth> gedit and vim <manchicken_> Do you know if they have an subversion plugins? <Amaranth> no idea, i don't use it like that <manchicken_> Emacs has excellent subversion support... I kinda miss that in gedit. <manchicken_> And do you know if gedit has repeatable macros? <Amaranth> I don't do anything like that either <manchicken_> I like the vfs capabilities--helps keep me using the same editor regardless of which client I'm working on--but some functionality like that is just sorely missed. <dholbach> good morning <mvo> hey seb128, MacSlow <seb128> hello mvo <mvo> seb128: I didn't manage the sponsoring last night, I will do it this morning <MacSlow> morning mvo, seb128 <seb128> mvo: that's alright, no hurry <seb128> mvo: while you are at it, you might want to apply the change on bug #175904 <seb128> pitti seems to be on the opinion that using tabs is nicer too <seb128> I think firefox is broken but I'm not using it so I don't really care <seb128> you guys decide whatever you want for it ;-) <slomo> seb128: do you know what happened to the glib 2.16.2 tarball? :) <seb128> slomo: what do you mean? <seb128> it's on download.gnome.org <slomo> seb128: i only get 404 :) can you download it? <seb128> oh, no, it's not <seb128> no, no idea <slomo> ok :) <huats> morning everyone <huats> o/ crevette <crevette> salut <huats> seb128: hello :) <seb128> lut crevette huats <seb128> mvo: read what I wrote before? <slomo> seb128: ok, so what exactly was needed for getting new swfdec stuff into hardy? :) <seb128> slomo: somebody doing the work, I'm overworked <slomo> seb128: just testing if it works, adjust for xulrunner1.9 and upload/request syncs? <seb128> which means feature freeze exception bugs with rather, doing the update and the transition if there is a need to rebuild other things due to the versionning change <seb128> right <slomo> FFe shouldn't be needed because swfdec-gnome is part of gnome and the other two parts, swfdec0.6/swfdec-mozilla, are needed <slomo> seb128: also, no rdeps except swfdec-{gnome,mozilla} <seb128> slomo: not sure, swfdec-gnome is part of GNOME but swfdec is not <seb128> if next gedit was depending on xorg current git we would not update xorg ;-) <slomo> right, that argument is not good :) <slomo> let's ask pitti :) <seb128> just ask to slangasek if that's ok <seb128> he's around <slomo> ok <seb128> slomo: ah right, that's universe <seb128> just upload then <seb128> motu rules are too complicated nowadays ;-) <seb128> ah, there is a sponsoring request as dholbach pointed on the other channel <slomo> yes <slomo> seb128: so, you sync swfdec0.6 and swfdec-gnome, i'll sponsor swfdec-mozilla... sounds good? :) <seb128> alright, let's do that ;-) <slomo> seb128: i guess swfdec-gnome wants the Xb-Npp-Applications/Xb-Npp-MimeType stuff too? how does this work? ;) <seb128> ask asac <slomo> asac: ^--- <asac> slomo: what do you want to know? a good start would be to copy the lines from gnash and modify the -Name field <asac> slomo: swfdec-gnome? isn't the plugin package called swfdec-mozilla? <seb128> lool: btw about the glib upload, did you commit your changes to debian? <seb128> lool: might be rather a desktop chan thing ;-) <seb128> lool: because the changelog entry items are not in the debian upload <lool> seb128: http://paste.debian.net/52287 this is Debian SVN <lool> This is Ubuntu hardy http://paste.debian.net/52288 <lool> Hmm weird choice of version in hardy from me indeed; should have been -3~hardy1 <seb128> lool: right, what confused me is that debian got a -2 which has none of those ubuntu changes <seb128> lool: so I though you didn't commit your local -2 <lool> seb128: I should have used -3~hardy1; or -2+hardy1 <lool> Everything is committed AFAICS <seb128> right, makes sense now <seb128> I was just wondering why the official -2 had none of your -2 snapshot changes <seb128> anyway no big deal ;-) <seb128> pitti: stop reassigning random apport bugs to gtk only because they crash in a gtk function ;-) <seb128> or glib2.0 rather <coNP[uni]> good morning <slomo> asac: so the Npp stuff is for mozilla only? <seb128> hey coNP[uni] <coNP[uni]> hey seb128 <asac> slomo: for gecko plugins, right. <slomo> ok, then swfdec-gnome doesn't need it :) <slomo> thanks <asac> slomo: will you take care that its upgraded? <asac> i think there is a sponsoring request for swfdec <slomo> asac: yes, seb will sync swfdec0.6 and swfdec-gnome <slomo> asac: and i'll care for sponsoring swfdec-mozill <slomo> right <asac> ok great ... please remember to include those headers in the mozilla part. <slomo> asac: what do you mean? <asac> Xb-Npp :) <slomo> ah <slomo> sure <slomo> :) <slomo> seb128: so, please sync swfdec0.6 (and accept things from NEW) and swfdec-gnome :) <seb128> slomo: ok <lool> Hmm poppler 0.8 <seb128> lool: I'm looking at it, but it has quite some changes <seb128> fc already has it though <lool> We didn't track 0.7.x series <seb128> no we didn't <slomo> what's new in 0.8? <lapo> hi <slomo> except the annotations support... which won't be useful without evince supporting it <lapo> seb128: http://people.freedesktop.org/~lapo/misc%20stuff/application-x-cd-image.tar.bz2 <seb128> lapo: ah, thanks! <lapo> np <lool> slomo: It seems to me stability fixes have been pushed to 0.8 and might not be pushed to 0.6 as often <seb128> sonames changed <lool> Even the glib one? <seb128> yes <slomo> api changes too? <lool> The glib lib was supposed to be quite stable <seb128> " * Change glib public api to have a correct naming" <slomo> yay <slomo> asac, seb128: swfdec-mozilla uploaded, will go to dep-wait of course ;) * asac hugs slomo <asac> frequently requested and constantly out of love :) <asac> you definitly made some people happy <slomo> asac: do we have gnash by default btw? is gnash better in your oppinion? :) <asac> slomo: no ... we don't have a default because we lack a way to educate users about existing alternatives <asac> i have no strong opinion about gnash vs. swfdec. swfdec 0.6 was definitly ahead of our gutsy gnash, but i would say that hardy gnash is again ahead <asac> but hard to measure <seb128> the swfdec upstream will be at uds btw <asac> company? <seb128> yes <asac> good <asac> i know him from university ;) ... but long time ago <asac> and met him in seville <asac> he definitly does great work given that he mostly develops everything on his own <seb128> indeed <pitti> slomo: ask me what? <pitti> seb128: assign bugs> ok; where should I assign it to instead? <pitti> seb128: pygtk? <slomo> pitti: already solved :) <pitti> great <seb128> pitti: well, those might as well be apport bugs, we don't have enough informations to know <seb128> pitti: I've asked for valgrind logs, one seems to a librsvg issue <seb128> pitti: could you have a look on the trivial patch on http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=523884 and tell me if you think it's correct? <ubotu> Gnome bug 523884 in programs ""Eject" should eject the CD-ROM drive tray" [Normal,New] <seb128> Amaranth, mvo, pitti: any idea what should be changed to fix https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/206259? <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206259 in gnome-control-center "gnome-appearance-properties won't start Compiz" [Medium,New] <pitti> seb128: re 523884, what is the bug? "eject" option works fine in computer:/// and on desktop for me <pitti> ah, with no media, I see <pitti> seb128: IMHO the patch looks correct for what you intend to do; I'm not 100% sure whether gnome-mount is meant to behave that way <pitti> but *shrug*, -e without a media doesn't have any other sensible behaviour, so why not <pitti> seb128: IMHO, 260259 is a dup of bug 207957 <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207957 in jockey "Driver manager tries to install unneeded FGLRX driver for Compiz" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207957 <pitti> shall I mark it as such? <pitti> i. e. I need to teach jockey to not install fglrx with --check-composite if ati is used <pitti> there is a trivial, but conceptually wrong solution (mark fglrx as not being composite-capable) <pitti> or, if I find the time, implement a concept and list of 'current' driver (more work, maybe not hardy) <pitti> but in all cases I'll fix it RSN <seb128> pitti: yes please mark it dup if that's the same issue * seb128 hugs pitti <seb128> pitti: I'll upload the gnome-mount change, it should not break anything anyway <pitti> done * pitti hugs seb128, merci <slomo> seb128: swfdec0.6 on binary NEW everywhere except hppa which seems to have a filled build queue ;) <BUGabundo> hi there <BUGabundo> can I have some attention to wish bug #210133 <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210133 in nautilus "[Intrepid Ibex][wishbug] separate icon view zoom for desktop and nautilus" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210133 <BUGabundo> ?? <BUGabundo> thanks <seb128> BUGabundo: that's not trivial to fix, require UI changes and there is thousand bugs open, I don't think this one will be worked any time soon <seb128> BUGabundo: and that's likely a duplicate too <BUGabundo> didn't kwon <BUGabundo> filed it yesterday via email <BUGabundo> so no way to check for dupes <BUGabundo> still, seb128, its just a wishbug <BUGabundo> for hardy+1 or the near future <seb128> you should really check for duplicates before filling bugs <seb128> it takes you a few minutes to do that <seb128> but it takes us days to do that for the hundred of duplicates sent <BUGabundo> not when you are offline <seb128> and those are hours not spend on fixing issues <BUGabundo> and just using email to post to mallone <seb128> I would argue that if you are offline you should not send bugs <BUGabundo> I'll have a look at it now <BUGabundo> and mark it as dup, if I find the original <seb128> thanks <BUGabundo> I shouldn't fill bugs while offline?? <seb128> about the feature I doubt it'll be implemented any time soon <BUGabundo> come on... you must be kiding with me <seb128> you should file bugs without checking for duplicates no <BUGabundo> it must be aprils fool day <seb128> s/should/shouldn't <BUGabundo> that's a question for kiko <seb128> what has kiko to do with that? <BUGabundo> I asked for a way to get a reply from malone against dups <seb128> I'm just saying that we spend way too much time triaging duplicates for people who don't bother doing so <BUGabundo> LP DEV teams says it thoesnt exist <BUGabundo> so I have to wait for it <seb128> it's not that hard to look if there is a bug already open matching the issue you are having <BUGabundo> I know that devs and bug-triage teams spent lots of time with this <seb128> as said it takes you a few minutes <seb128> and it takes hours to do that for hundred of people who don't care <BUGabundo> that Why when I report a bug via LP I always search for dups <BUGabundo> but I also do lots of work offline <seb128> well, obviously you didn't there <BUGabundo> and sent emails from there <seb128> well you can't send mails offline <BUGabundo> When I go online, If I have the time I search for dups for those <BUGabundo> yes you can... they just are kept on the postfix queue <BUGabundo> brb <BUGabundo> need to setup a printer <seb128> BUGabundo: also don't specify ubuntu versions nor tag or settings in the title <seb128> BUGabundo: the bug has settings and a description for a reason <BUGabundo> back <BUGabundo> sorry for that <BUGabundo> didn't know of a better way <BUGabundo> can't find a dup for it <BUGabundo> sorry for the extra work <BUGabundo> as far as I can search <BUGabundo> this is the single one with the keywords icon zoom <seb128> the bug might have been closed as wontfix <seb128> I've read several times about the topic during the years <seb128> anyway lunch now <BUGabundo> yep, me too, <slomo> seb128: you want to sync gst-plugins-bad0.10 0.10.6-7 later :) fixes potentional license issues caused by linking openssl via a gstreamer plugin <BUGabundo> good lunch seb128 <BUGabundo> seb128: still with advance search, and every option selected I can't find a similar bug. will see this after lunch <seb128> slomo: ok <seb128> BUGabundo: ok, don't spend too much effort on it, that's an upstream wishlist anyway <BUGabundo> yep <pochu> slomo: woops, there's no libneon28-dev in hardy <slomo> pochu: hm? it build depends on libneon27-gnutls-dev <slomo> from neon 27 to 28 the soname didn't change <slomo> the patch only makes configure happy with neon >= 0.27.99 <pochu> ah, right <pochu> sorry :) <pochu> slomo: that's one of the consequences of not having a pkg-gstreamer-commits mailing list :p <pochu> [ can I have one? ] <slomo> i'm lazy <slomo> how can i create one? :) <pochu> hmm, no idea TBH, I guess asking on #alioth on OFTC :) <pochu> lool: ^ <slomo> i know how to create a list but that doesn't get us the commits there ;) <fernando> moin all <BUGabundo> hi fernando <lool> slomo, pochu: sure, that's very useful in my experience, we should have one <kwwii> seb128: did the screensaver stuff make it into a package yet? <seb128> kwwii: doh, I forgot about that, no <seb128> kwwii: btw there is some issues with your icon theme update <seb128> kwwii: try to unmount an usb key and look to the computer location <kwwii> seb128: ouch, what is that? <seb128> itt's using a tiny icon <kwwii> hrm, that is freaky <seb128> could be that this icon has no scalable nor 48x48 versions? <kwwii> seb128: here is works witha usb key but is small with a sd card <kwwii> the 48x48 should be there, let me check this out again <kwwii> seb128: are you sure it was with a usb key or was it a flash card of some type? <lool> Heh did you people see epiphany drops support for gecko? <lool> :) <seb128> bah, april 1 sucks <lool> Nah <lool> It's fun, let's release! <kwwii> seb128: do you have a bug number for that? I can only reproduce the flash card stuff on my system <seb128> kwwii: I'm looking for the icon used a sec <seb128> kwwii: found it <seb128> kwwii: /usr/share/icons/Human/16x16/devices/drive-removable-media-usb.png <seb128> kwwii: there is a /usr/share/icons/Human/48x48/devices/drive-removable-media-usb, not the naming issue <seb128> kwwii: renaming the 48x48 one fixes the issue <kwwii> lol <seb128> kwwii: typos in the .links <kwwii> well, I also found that the flash link is missing at the larger sizes <kwwii> seb128: I will fix both of those <kwwii> thanks <seb128> you are welcome <seb128> thank you for fixing those <seb128> kwwii: the 24x24 has a similar typo too <kwwii> seb128: about the screensaver stuff, I was looking into putting the svg and .desktop file into human-theme and then setting the gconf key in ubuntu-artwork, does that sound right? <seb128> yes, that would be alright <seb128> are you working with mvo on those changes? <seb128> or that was something different? <mvo> seb128: I will sponsors kwwii changes, but I haven't discussed screensaver stuff with him (no idea about this) <seb128> mvo: that's basically install the .desktop and the svg * mvo nods <asac> seb128: do we still use gnomevfs to figure applications by mime-type somewhere? <seb128> mvo: and adding the gconf-defaults * asac thinks its now gio <asac> ? <seb128> asac: yes, lot of things have not been ported to gio and gvfs yet <asac> seb128: is there a command line tool i can use to query by mime-type? <asac> to test? <kwwii> seb128: I was working with mvo on the ubuntulooks stuff but I might as well add the screensaver while I am touching those packages <asac> kwwii: ah, before i forget. someone pointed out that in /usr/share/doc/tangerine-icon-theme/copyright it reads "The Human Icon Theme is licensed under the ..." :) <seb128> kwwii: yes, I've read your mail, the gconf-default change seems to be already and installing the svg and desktop is only a matter of copying those in the source and changing the .install, it's trivial enough to do for mvo I think ;-) <kwwii> seb128: so I do not need to add the gconf setting in ubuntu-artwork? <seb128> doh, can't type today <seb128> s/already/alright <seb128> you need it, just add the line to the human-theme one <kwwii> lol <kwwii> right * Hobbsee is liking this whole "only one lot of wait" thing for her computer booting, now <kwwii> seb128: updated human-icon-theme source package here: <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/human-icon-theme_0.27.dsc <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/human-icon-theme_0.27_source.build <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/human-icon-theme_0.27_source.changes <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/human-icon-theme_0.27.tar.gz <Keybuk> ooh @ epiphany announcement <pitti> seb128: so which package should I assign bug 209488 to? the stack trace just has libgtkish things, and the topmost function calls xembed_set_info() with a NULL argument <ubotu> Launchpad bug 209488 in jockey "jockey-gtk crashed with SIGSEGV in XChangeProperty()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209488 <seb128> Keybuk: april 1 joke ;-) <Keybuk> seb128: really? that's a shame <Keybuk> since it was a good announcement <seb128> yes <seb128> pitti: bah, I hate those bugs, they are useless, reassign this one to gtk I guess <seb128> pitti: those are things which happen once to one guy and where the stacktrace is of no real use <seb128> I'm wondering if we should close those :-p <pitti> seb128: what I usually do is to reassing them to the correct package, set it to needsinfo, ask whether it's reproducible, and just let them time out :) <seb128> right, I tend to do that <seb128> or ask for a valgrind log <pitti> seb128: well, this time the stack trace does look useful, the NULL pointer is quite obfious <pitti> obvious <seb128> right <pitti> I'll forward it upstream, let's see what happens <seb128> thanks <Keybuk> seb128: why *aren't* they planning to target webkit fully with epiphany? <seb128> well, there is some tractions in this direction, but that doesn't mean they want to drop xulrunner support now <seb128> the "main packages can't have universe build-deps to build universe binary" thing really sucks <bhale> yeah I used to run into a lot of trouble with that <bhale> seb128: is daniel still alive? <seb128> bhale: dholbach you mean? yes, he was there some hours ago <seb128> Keybuk: in fact reading the mail now it might not be an april 1 joke ;-) I though from the comments on the irc channel <Keybuk> the epi guys *have* been saying they were planning some changes for a while <Keybuk> and that there would be an announcement in due course <seb128> indeed <Keybuk> seb128: uws claims it's not a joke <Keybuk> (if you didn't see that) <seb128> kwwii: the human-icon-theme tarball on your website seems to be corrupted <seb128> Keybuk: right <Keybuk> do you know what I want <Keybuk> I want a program that I can run on all my machines <Keybuk> and share URLs <Keybuk> so on here, I can highlight one, and it's announced via Avahi <Keybuk> then I can pick it up on another <Keybuk> wouldn't that be great? <seb128> you can do that using pidgin and the bonjour account thing <tedg> mDNS clipboard? <kwwii> seb128: hrm, no idea why...I will make another one and post it in a bit <kwwii> seb128: I just installed the deb and it does fix the problem <kwwii> seb128: gotta pick up my son from basketball practice first though <kwwii> tedg: teh screensaver stuff is done, btw <seb128> kwwii: the tar.gz is broken, didn't try the deb <seb128> it doesn't untar <kwwii> seb128: ok, I will take care of it when I get back, sorry for the trouble <seb128> that's alright <seb128> jsut upload it again when you can <tedg> kwwii: Cool, thanks. <seb128> tedg: any news about moving the wnck tooltip to the context menu? that becomes urgent <seb128> we need some testing there <seb128> and gnome-panel is crash land for users at the moment because the tooltip code is borked <tedg> seb128: No news per se, I'm still playing with the keybindings through libbonoboui -- seems it was designed for dynamic keybindings :( <tedg> seb128: It's sad how much a PITA this stupid patch has turned into. <seb128> Keybuk: is dropping this patch an option? <Keybuk> seb128: everything is an option <seb128> Keybuk: you got the question ;-) <Keybuk> seb128: what do you think we should do? <seb128> well, I'm not managing the ressources in this team <seb128> I'm too busy to fix the thing <seb128> MacSlow seems to have other things to do <seb128> and ted is working on moving that to a context menu but that seems to be hard to do <Keybuk> no, but since you're on the front lines - your opinion of things is very important to me <seb128> we are past freezes, etc <Keybuk> it sounds like the patch is causing bugs? <seb128> I would just drop the buggy thing and fix it next cycle <Keybuk> that does not sound unreasonable to me <seb128> yes <seb128> sec <pochu> bug 207693 ? <seb128> bug #207693 <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207693 in libwnck "gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207693 <tedg> Keybuk: I agree with seb128, I've already spent roughly 3 days on the patch, and I'm not sure that there isn't another 3 in it. I don't think it's worth that much time. <Keybuk> it's always unfortunate to do, but as long as we discuss it in Prague and figure out what a better approach would be, we will not have wasted anything <Keybuk> since learning problems is a great use of time <seb128> Keybuk: that's one of the top crashers in hardy <seb128> Keybuk: right, that would work for me <Keybuk> ok, then you have my blessing :-) <seb128> good, thanks <tedg> Okay, I'll push the libbonoboui and libwnck patches I already have upstream, so then it should be easier (and more reasonable) for intrepid. <slomo> pochu: the midi bug is wrong error reporting in the midi plugin, would be nice if you could file an upstream bug for this so i don't forget to look into it <pochu> slomo: right, do you need any further info or just "it's b0rked" ? :) <slomo> pochu: well, how one can reproduce, the symptoms and that i believe it's caused by wrong error reporting ;) <pochu> alright <crevette> asac: around ? <pochu> slomo: btw, can you reproduce midi plugins? they are reproduced by totem here, but I hear no sound... <slomo> pochu: you mean if i can listen to midi files? yes <slomo> do you have freepats installed? <pochu> slomo: woops, I don't <pochu> that was because of the config, right? <pochu> wow, freepats is 29MB <slomo> pochu: wildmidi recommends freepats... so: install recommends :P <kwwii> seb128: I just re-uploaded the icon theme stuff <pochu> slomo: do I CC you in the bug report? <slomo> pochu: please <pochu> slomo: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=525613 <pochu> slomo: hmm, plugins-bad depends on libwildmidi0, which recommends freepats... <slomo> yes <pochu> so I wonder why I didn't have freepats installed, since aptitude installs recommends by default <slomo> no idea :) <seb128> kwwii: ok <asac> crevette: in a few minutes, yes. <crevette> asac: no problemo <gicmo> la la la <crevette> asac: I did the patch to have nm-applet with GNOME icons set <andreasn> crevette: is that ubuntu specific or gnome upstream? <tedg> Where is libbonoboui's bug tracker? <crevette> andreasn: ubuntu <andreasn> what icons does that affect? <tedg> NM, found it. <crevette> connection animation <crevette> signal <asac> why can't we make them themable? <andreasn> ah, so the picking up of wired network icon and encryption and stuff from the theme is correct upstream behavior? <andreasn> we was discussing it yesterday and there was some confusion what was upstream specific and what was ubuntu specific <crevette> perhaps I didn't get the question <andreasn> I should try to get hardy running on a separate disk <crevette> I just took the icons jimmac sent me 6 months ago, and I put them in the ubuntu package to remplace those shipped <andreasn> crevette: lobby to get those upstream! <andreasn> there is a bug open about it <andreasn> but dan is a bit resistant <crevette> andreasn: I've open it :) <crevette> my mindset is never to lobby <andreasn> ah, of course <crevette> not enough time to praise someone <crevette> I did sent mails and tried to explain (perhaps not clearly enough) <andreasn> I didn't get the bugzilla name - irc name connection <crevette> :) <andreasn> oh, that's what I meant by lobby basically <crevette> Baptiste Mille-Mathias <crevette> :) <andreasn> lobby = comment on the bug <andreasn> and you did that already <crevette> yep <andreasn> I totally owe you a beer for that <crevette> I'm rather alcohol free person, but I'm okay for a coke <crevette> :) <crevette> I'm sure monreal is the guy for that kind of job <crevette> :) <crevette> I've seen him on irc arguying to have beautiful icons <crevette> :) <falken_> has anyone else set up their wifi on a laptop? <crevette> andreasn: something cool would be the strengh signal color is taken from GTK colors :) <andreasn> crevette: perhaps I can buy you dinner <crevette> andreasn: :) <crevette> not until the icons are commited <crevette> :) <andreasn> yeah, yeah... :) <crevette> andreasn: do you think I can cc jimmac on this bug <andreasn> yes <andreasn> isn't he cc:ed already? <crevette> as he was the artist who did the icons <crevette> no <crevette> jimmac [@] novell ? <andreasn> let me check <crevette> yeah <crevette> it is that <andreasn> douglassanchez@example.org ? <crevette> okay <andreasn> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/describeuser.cgi?login=jimmac%40ximian.com <seb128> asac: around? <asac> yeah <crevette> asac: ah you're back <asac> kwwii: the Human icon theme lacks a refresh icon in 48x48 size (dialog) <asac> midbrowser looks funny that way :) <asac> crevette: seb128: what can i do? <asac> kwwii: do you want a bug about that? <seb128> asac: I got epiphany hanging after opening the first instance after booting, that was a bugzilla url and I closed it before the page content was loaded <seb128> asac: not sure if that's useful for the hang bug context <asac> seb128: i saw some memory issues in the package i couldn't see in the upstream package. can you try to a pristine epiphany build? <asac> i think it should just build out of the box. <seb128> upstream svn or tarball? <asac> you will see a few regressions in the dialog box i guess. <crevette> asac: I did the packaging of nm-applet to have GNOME icons <asac> seb128: use svn. no idea how up to date the tarballs are <seb128> ok <asac> seb128: build with --with-engine=mozilla --with-gecko=libxul-embedding <seb128> asac: ok, will try <asac> crevette: ah right. did you answer my question about the themability? <crevette> asac: how can I provide it to you ? * asac scrolling back <crevette> asac: no <crevette> asac: I don't know <crevette> the icons are put under hicolor, so any themes providing the icons should supersed them <crevette> from what I understand <asac> easiest is just pushing a bzr branch and requesting a merge ;) <crevette> hu ... <crevette> how should I do that <asac> otherwise a reasonable patch <crevette> a debdiff ? <asac> i think bzr would be much easier if its new binary files :) <crevette> asac: I uuencoede them <crevette> that's why it took so long <crevette> :) <crevette> I never touch uuencode before <crevette> touched <asac> crevette: do you have multiple .uu files in debian/ dir? or just one? <crevette> multiple <crevette> I didn't figure out out do with only one <asac> in a subdir of debian/ ? <crevette> debian. <crevette> yep <asac> well... you can give me a tarball with the .uu files only and give me a debdiff for the rest <asac> at best as a bug <asac> well at best as a bzr branch :) <crevette> asac: http://bmm80.free.fr/Debian/nm-applet/nm-applet.debdiff <asac> crevette: i'd really appreciate if you'd encapsulate those icons in a subdir of debian/ .. at least <asac> crevette: eh sorry. you already do that <crevette> :) <asac> i think its ok that way. <crevette> asac: if something is not okay don't hesitate <asac> ill look <asac> can you make a bug out of that? <crevette> yep, of course <asac> cool <kwwii> asac: where is a 48x48 refresh icon used? <kwwii> unfortunately we do not have an svg of that icon so I will have to redraw all of them <asac> kwwii: damn ;) <asac> there is no scalable one either, right <asac> kwwii: its used in midbrowser <asac> not the most important usecase, but since i develop in under plain hardy I was curious why the icon was so small :) <kwwii> hrm, I guess making a bug for it would be the best for now <asac> kwwii: well, if you are aware of and there is nothing you can do, there is no point imo <asac> i guess in case you really redo it, we will get it automatically <kwwii> good point <asac> maybe i can find another theme that has a scalable refresh ;) <kwwii> the gnome theme should have it <asac> is that the ugly one? <asac> :) <asac> yau ... gnome-appearence dialog crashes <asac> all themes are somehow greyed out with a question mark, but i can change them <crevette> asac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/210449 <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210449 in network-manager-applet "GNOME icons for nm-applet" [Undecided,New] <vuntz> tedg: ping? <tedg> vuntz: Pong. <vuntz> tedg: tell me more about you want to do with the pager <tedg> Well, what I was doing (got canceled this morning) was the right click menu for the WM actions. <tedg> So I wanted to make them sensitive to where you were in the pager. <tedg> So to do that I needed to determine "if left" or "if right" were available. <vuntz> ok, I see <vuntz> hrm, the thing is that all the high-level widgets in libwnck are more or less independent of all the low-level wnck stuff <vuntz> and I think it's a good thing <tedg> I don't disagree, but the problem comes when trying to connect all of the bonobo stuff on down. I don't think you want a libbonoboui dependency for libwnck. <kwwii> asac: actually, for mid you will see these problems again and again with the human theme because we only have a handfull of svg's - all the more reason to make a new theme which is totally svg ;-) <vuntz> tedg: yep, but the three function calls seem the best trade-off to me. If you really need to do it often, it's easy to write an helper function. <vuntz> even if it's to get something that lives in the internal pager structure <tedg> kwwii: I thought there were AI files for them, were you unable to get those? <vuntz> I guess I'll wait for feedback from elijah or hp <seb128_> kwwii: human-icon-theme update uploaded <tedg> vuntz: Okay, well it came down to a few functions really. <kwwii> tedg: nope, we did not get the AI files afaik <kwwii> seb128_: great, thanks :-) <tedg> vuntz: There was wm_can_go(dir), wm_do_go(dir), and then probably a wm_get_keybinding(dir) <tedg> vuntz: And, while I'm making requests... I think it would make sense for an "advanced functionality" type function. For things like scale and expo that metacity and others are like to implement in the future. <tedg> vuntz: But, in reality, I have most of the code already, it's just in a gnome-panel patch. I could move it. <seb128> untz untz untz! <vuntz> tedg: not quite sure how you'd integrate "scale" and "expo" in libwnck <vuntz> unless it's standardized, in which case it'd be easy <seb128> hey vuntz ;-) <crevette> VUNTZ !!!!!! <crevette> VUNTZ !!!!!! <vuntz> seb128: I'm only here to spy on you, you know this ;-) <tedg> vuntz: I'm thinking "wm_has_capability(SHOW_ALL_WINDOWS)" or "wm_has_capability(SHOW_ALL_WORKSPACES)" * seb128 hugs vuntz <seb128> vuntz: I've noticed, making summaries about ubuntu nice ideas on the novell wiki for example <vuntz> tedg: not going to happen if things are not in the ewmh spec <tedg> vuntz: "wm_has_capability_beyond_ewmh(...)"? :) <tedg> vuntz: It does make sense that there should be a way to expose such functionality of the WM though. <vuntz> tedg: if you assume SHOW_ALL_WINDOWS and SHOW_ALL_WORKSPACES work on two WM, then the right thing to do is to add them as optional features of the EWMH <vuntz> not to have them implemented in two different ways in the two WMs <vuntz> (or some compositor spec that would extend the ewmh) <tedg> Do you really think I want to put my name on a spec with anything compiz related? ;) <vuntz> heh <crevette> ah <crevette> the translation of bluez has been updated <crevette> the french one was awful <seb128> crevette: it was made by you? ;-) <crevette> seb128: yep <crevette> of course <crevette> :) <crevette> the one that made me crazy for weeks was the 1|un in the notification bubble of evo <seb128> ah, I don't use the bubble <seb128> I get too many mails for that <crevette> yeah :) #ubuntu-desktop 2008-04-02 <dholbach> good morning <dholbach> hey mvo, njpatel, seb128 <seb128> hello dholbach <njpatel> morning dholbach <mvo> hey dholbach, seb128, njpatel <seb128> hello mvo <seb128> mvo: how went the sponsoring yesterday? ;-) <seb128> mvo: just teasing you ;-) <mvo> *cough* <mvo> *cough* * seb128 hugs mvo <seb128> ut crevette <seb128> lut <crevette> salut seb128 <seb128> mvo: could you look to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit/+bug/210680 if that's a known issue? <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210680 in gedit "un able to upgrade" [Undecided,New] <seb128> "Package udev has broken dep on libdevmapper1.02" <seb128> upgrade issue <seb128_> re <seb128_> mvo: did you get the gedit bug and my question before I got disconnected? <crevette> yes we did seb128 <seb128_> crevette: thanks <mvo> seb128_: looking <mvo> seb128_: comment added <seb128_> mvo: thanks <seb128_> mvo: the apt.log was not useful? <seb128_> <seb128> "Package udev has broken dep on libdevmapper1.02" <mvo> seb128_: no, that is just the resolver log <seb128_> dunno if you got that before the disconnect <seb128_> ok <mvo> seb128_: that is useful, but it should be fixed since a couple of days <mvo> seb128_: doing metacity sponsoring now <seb128_> mvo: cool <seb128_> mvo: did you read my comment about the firefox patch yesterday? <mvo> seb128_: this is something that should go upstream too I think <seb128_> the change for firefox? <seb128_> that's being discussed but the topic is not trivial <seb128_> the spec doesn't describe what should be done there <mvo> seb128_: I mean the fix for bug #199402 <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199402 in metacity "gnome-appearance-properties crashed with SIGSEGV in meta_theme_get_frame_style()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199402 <seb128_> ah <pochu> asac: I've got bug 178558 after X crashed yesterday. I restarted X after seeing the bug to see if that would solve it but it didn't help. I'm going to reboot just in case it helps, but I doubt it as restarting X didn't help <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178558 in xulrunner-1.9 "Firefox 3.0 makes everything annoyingly huge" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178558 <seb128_> mvo: the patch is from the upstream maintainer so I think he'll commit to svn too if the didn't yet <mvo> seb128_: heh :) ok, cool <seb128_> s/the/he <asac> pochu: please a screenshot <pochu> sure, attaching in a minute <asac> pochu: and your screen dpi + the gconf dpi setting <asac> ah ok that info is there <kwwii> pitti: did my gdm changes get uploaded? Sorry to bother but it is quite important <pitti> kwwii: I know nothing <pochu> asac: there they are <kwwii> pitti: erm, on Monday I put up a source package and asked you to upload it....let me get the links again <soren> 10:12 < kwwii> pitti: http://sinecera.de/ubuntu-gdm-themes_0.28.dsc, http://sinecera.de/ubuntu-gdm-themes_0.28.tar.gz, http://sinecera.de/ubuntu-gdm-themes_0.28_source.build, http://sinecera.de/ubuntu-gdm-themes_0.28_source.changes <soren> I was looking through logs anyway.. :) <pitti> ah, I uploaded that, yes <pitti> $ rmadison -s hardy ubuntu-gdm-themes <pitti> ubuntu-gdm-themes | 0.28 | hardy | source, all <pitti> :) <pitti> kwwii: I thought you literally meant 'gdm' <kwwii> pitti: lol, you don't want me touching gdm itself :-) <kwwii> thanks soren :-) <soren> :) <asac> pochu: thats just the zoom level? <asac> not dpi related imo <asac> did you try to rest the zoom level on that page to 0? <asac> s/rest/reset/ <pochu> asac: ctrl+0 ? <pochu> doesn't change it <pochu> or ctrl-- will make it ugly <pochu> as in some fonts too small <pochu> e.g. the portlets <asac> pochu: maybe a non default font setup? <pochu> don't think so, haven't changed it <pochu> this is strage, why does only launchpad looks weird? <pochu> asac: I'll try moving out ~/.firefox/ <asac> pochu: well crashes might have wierd effects on preferences <asac> yes <asac> try that <pochu> s/firefox/mozilla/ <pochu> asac: nothing changed <asac> pitti: we ended up having a C application (by davidm) that does the basic transformation from po2xpi ... how can we make use of that in the langpack generator? do we need that packaged in the archive? <pochu> e.g. liferea still looks good, and in firefox only launchpad.net looks wrong <pochu> s/good/wrong/ <asac> pochu: why do you think its too large? <pochu> the dpi in firefox is -1, which is the default <pochu> asac: did you see the screenshot? ;) <asac> yes <asac> i am really bad at look at such things though :( <pochu> this is clearly broken right now <asac> pochu: looks ok to me <asac> for me font in the main content area of bugs is considerably larger then the default font <asac> i remember that things were hard to read, so maybe thats intended <pochu> I haven't read any feed since the crash in Liferea because I can't have more than 2 lines in the window :p <pochu> well yesterday before the crash everything was fine <pochu> I could read launchpad.net, and liferea was nice <asac> pochu: didn't you say that liferea is back to normal now? <pochu> yes, and s/good/wrong/ too, sorry :) <pochu> look at http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13043699/Screenshot-1.png, I have a 22" wide screen monitor and I can't even see the entire description of the bug report now <pochu> the portlets are fine for some reason, but the description and that is big <pochu> is *huge* :) <pochu> they should be like the douglassanchez@example.org in the same screenshot <pochu> asac: may I reboot to see if it changes anything? <asac> yes... portlets are fine <asac> which makes me think that everything is fine <asac> go to your gnome appearence dialog and see what fonts are configured there <pochu> ok <asac> maybe its also related with some theme package upgrades landed recently ... who knows <pitti> asac: depends which part should do the XPI generation, a script that you run yourself, or LP translations <pochu> Sans, 10 <asac> pitti: i think the idea is to ship translations in main language-support-XX <pochu> no visual effects <pitti> asac: if you want to run it on rookery or so, we don't need it packaged (would be nice to do so for intrepid, of course) <asac> that means that its done in LP translations, right? <pochu> hmm, wait, I have metacity compositor enabled <pitti> asac: right <asac> ok, then thats it (unless we find anything blocking) <pochu> I'll disble it to check <pitti> asac: well, not necessarily; we can do it outside until Rosetta learns to put xpi into the exported tarballs <pochu> well, before the crash it was enabled too and was working fine, but it could be that it's buggy <pochu> I don't know why it would only affect xulrunner applications though ;) <asac> pitti: yes. thats what i ask. i think you already run something somewhere :) ... and i wonder if you need a package if we want that hooked in there ;) <asac> pitti: in intrepid i want to get that into launchpad directly of course <pochu> hmm, metacity has crashed when disabling the compositor... it has disabled it though <asac> pitti: i can also produce a directory where the compiled tools are included (along with some meta info we still need in hardy) <pochu> asac: this still looks bad, I'm going to reboot, hopefully it changes anything <pochu> is there any xulrunner dir somewhere? <pochu> or only .mozilla/firefox/ ? <pochu> .mozilla/ ? <asac> pochu: not that i am aware of <pitti> asac: if you could put all that on rookery somewhere, that would be good; then I can integrate it into the langpack-o-matic cronjobs to call your scripts and put the resulting XPIs into the langpacks <pochu> ok, brb <seb128> re <pitti> asac: maybe you can do that installation, and write Arne and me a mail what to call and which files to put into which directories? <asac> pitti: can you run a script for each language with the following arguments: 1) language 2) path_to_extracted_translation_tarball 3) debian/$language_package_name ? <seb128> kwwii: did you change the gdm human theme which lists users in the new version? <asac> or isn't that put into packages? <seb128> kwwii: we got several users having gdm not starting using this theme since recently <kwwii> seb128: yes, I included bersace's changes <pitti> asac: I can (although you should be able to figure out everything from just the path to the extracted source package) <seb128> kwwii: did you try it? <pitti> asac: but I'm happy to extract the source pakcage name and language code for you <kwwii> seb128: hrm, if the list theme does not work then someone should beat up bersace <seb128> kwwii: what was the change about? <asac> pitti: well ... thats too much logic imo <kwwii> seb128: just a visual change to keep it inline with my normal gdm theme changes <seb128> hum <kwwii> when he comes online I will ask him about it <pitti> asac: WDYM with debian/$language_package_name ? <seb128> kwwii: ok, thanks <kwwii> ouch, is it bad when a system update fails while creating the initramfs :p <pitti> asac: phone call? <pochu> asac: nothing has changed. But I've looked at the log of the X crash (which should have the DPI I had before the crash, when everything was fine), which I attached to bug 190418, and it's the same I have now, so it's not X's fault. Also, I've logged as a different user and everythings'f fine there (yelp and firefox/launchpad.net). So there's something in my profile... I guess it's safe to assume it's not Xulrunner's fault? <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190418 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[965GM] Server crash when starting totem-xine to play a DVD" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190418 <asac_> pitti: for each application and language combination i have two files, like xulrunner-de.jar xulrunner-de-chrome.manifest ... should i put them in /usr/share/locale-langpack/de/ or /usr/share/locale-langpack-chrome/ * pochu moves .gconf/ and .gnome2/ out <asac_> (those will be linked to the appropriate application chrome directories then) <pitti> asac_: can we have a phone call to discuss this? <asac_> ok. after lunch? <seb128> mvo: ok, so you didn't consider the firefox change while doing the upload <pochu> brb <seb128> asac: you can upload the metacity change to fix firefox workspace switching issue if you want <pitti> asac_: sure <seb128> asac: that seems to be what users expect and the easier way to fix the issue <asac_> pitti: good. when will you do lunch? <pitti> asac_: around 13:30 probably, when my wife comes back from uni <asac_> seb128: are the negative implications for other applications? <asac_> pitti: ok, ill do the same then :) <seb128> asac_: not sure, redhat is using the change and seems they didn't get complains <seb128> asac_: we can give it a try and revert if users start screaming <mvo> seb128: no, sorry. will look at that next <seb128> mvo: that's alright, no need to do another upload, let asac decide since that's mainly a firefox issue <mvo> ok <pochu> asac: bah, it was .gnome2/monitors.xml <pochu> everything's looks fine now :) <pochu> sorry for making so much noise... i'll comment on the bug to make clear everything's fine <pochu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6354/ <--- the culprit file <pochu> I can't see what's wrong there though, but everything's working perfectly after removing it and logging in <asac> popey: ok. thanks <asac> oops, pochu ^^ <popey> :) <seb128> pochu: what was the bug? <seb128> the effects rather <pochu> seb128: liferea, yelp, devhelp, ephy, firefox-3 (all xul-based) had large fonts <pochu> but for firefox, it was only affecting launchpad.net pages <pochu> seb128: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13043699/Screenshot-1.png, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13043689/Screenshot.png <pochu> seb128: did you see my reply? <seb128_> pochu: no <pochu> 12:24 < pochu> seb128: liferea, yelp, devhelp, ephy, firefox-3 (all xul-based) had large fonts <pochu> 12:24 < pochu> but for firefox, it was only affecting launchpad.net pages <pochu> 12:24 < pochu> seb128: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13043699/Screenshot-1.png, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13043689/Screenshot.png <seb128> weird <pochu> it started after an X crash, and after removing .gnome2/monitors.xml it's been fixed <pochu> asac: I could attach a screenshot with everything fixed so you see the difference ;) <pochu> luckily the intel driver is really more stable than it was at the beggining of the hardy cycle... <asac> pochu: no i don't mind ;) <pochu> I assumed that :) <seb128> kwwii: bug #210538 <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210538 in ubuntu-gdm-themes "gdm hangs after theme upgrade and reboot" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210538 <seb128> kwwii: the theme upgrade seems to break gdm for all the users running it <seb128> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=742511 too <seb128_> re <seb128_> I was saying <kwwii> seb128: ouch that sucks <seb128_> asac: btw don't bother too much fixing epiphany to work with xul1.9 since they will drop the xulrunner support soon anyway <seb128_> asac: having the invalid certifcate issue fixed in hardy would be still nice though ;-) <seb128_> kwwii: indeed <seb128_> kwwii: testing before uploading is a good idea usually ;-) <kwwii> bersace takes care of that theme <seb128_> can you get him to fix it? <kwwii> definitely <seb128_> I don't blame anybody, and that's not the default theme <seb128_> but fixing it today would be nice <kwwii> if not I will have to fix it myself or remove it <kwwii> I will make sure it gets taken careof <seb128_> well, we can revert to the previous version <seb128_> that should be easy <seb128_> but right, if you can fix it better <kwwii> seb128_: it seems my latest changes did not make it in anyway, so I am working on a new theme package anyway <seb128_> ok, good <asac> seb128_: yes, i read that. however, i read as well, that even 2.24 might not be done so in worst case even the next release will be xul <seb128_> asac: right <pochu> I hope webkit is in a sane state as to be in main for Intrepid, there's a new contributor in Liferea which has been fixind and improving the webkit backend a lot <gNewPower> hi everybody. I just set up a computer with the latest version of Ubuntu and all my fonts lack "crispness" (for lack of a better word). they look kind of blurred. any idea of what might be causing this? <Keybuk> I hate DST <vuntz> seb128__: stop disconnecting, I can't talk to you in a query if you do this! <vuntz> :-) <seb128__> vuntz: tell that to orange! <kwwii> seb128__: I found some more links that I needed to add so there is another human icon theme package coming soon <kwwii> seb128__: and the human list error is simply freaky...cannot figure out why it is b0rked <seb128__> kwwii: weird <seb128__> kwwii: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntulooks/+bug/210837 btw <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210837 in ubuntulooks "Colors of human theme are displayed incorrectly in gnome-appearance-properties" [Undecided,New] <seb128__> kwwii: the theme preview is incorrect since the ubuntulooks changes <kwwii> seb128__: apparently that is a bug in the way the previews are made <kwwii> seb128__: when I have the metacity with the gtkrc together it shows up right <seb128__> together? <tedg> So, let's say someone has their laptop configured to suspend on lid close, but there is another application inhibiting GPM, should we blank the screen? <kwwii> yes, like a normal theme, with the index.theme in the main dir and the gtkrc and metacity in subdirs <seb128__> kwwii: that's how it is now, no? <seb128__> tedg: I would say that the screen should always be cut when the lid is closed, what is the point to use energy for something which you can't look at anyway? <seb128__> -which <kwwii> seb128__: erm, right in the installed system they are together <kwwii> gosh, I just love packaging <tedg> seb128__: Yeah, my only worry is that someone may perceive that as suspending, throw the laptop in a backpack and destroy their hardware. <tedg> seb128__: I don't know if we're thinking for them in that case. <seb128__> tedg: well if they don't look they will not notice that the screen which is closed is still on anyway <mvo> seb128__:
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