#ubuntu-us-fl 2011-01-01 <Spreadsheet> Happy New Year's Eve everyone <mhall119> happy new year Spreadsheet <Spreadsheet> It's not new years yet, but happy new year too <mhall119> yeah but I won't be around that late, so sayin it now ;) <nightfrog> Merry New Years #ubuntu-us-fl! <jtatum> happy new year <droidfrog> Merry new year #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-01-03 <reya276> Morning Everyone; Happy New Year to all! <DammitJim> Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, everyone! <reya276> Hey maybe one of you guys can help me out with this issue I'm having. I'm trying to create a Startup USB disk to install Ubuntu on a persons Laptop(first 2011 Ubuntu install!) but I can't seem to be able to select it and create it. <reya276> the US is formated as an EXT4 right now. <reya276> *USB drive <reya276> bah never mind I'll use a CD, thanks <zoopster> reya276: under disk to use...you cannot select the drive? <reya276> no I can select it but for some reason the "Make Startup Disk" is not enabled thus I can't create the USB startup <maxolasersquad> reya276: I seem to recall having that same problem. I'm trying to brainstorm on what the solution was. <maxolasersquad> I think I had to let the GUI reformat my desk, by clicking "Erase Disk" and taking it from there. <itnet7> maxolasersquad: that is exaclt what I did with one of my usb sticks and it worked <itnet7> Happy New Year everyone!! <itnet7> s/exaclt/exactly/ <rmcbride> Happy New year <itnet7> Hope you're doing well rmcbride ! <rmcbride> I managed to keep from freezing to death last month itnet7 :) <itnet7> +! <itnet7> +1 i meant! <itnet7> :-) <DammitJim> what does this mean? http://xkcd.com/840/ <itnet7> you SERIOUSly don't get that DammitJim ? <DammitJim> nope <DammitJim> lol <itnet7> You know silly putty, you can play with it do what ever you want even copy comic strips <itnet7> well that's serious putty <itnet7> you can't touch it, it's too serious to play and mold, etc. <rmcbride> SRS putty is SRS <itnet7> :-) That strip brightened up my day <DammitJim> LOL <itnet7> In fact printing it for posting outside the cube now <itnet7> DammitJim: You're right about 3 people that have walked by, do not get it either! <DammitJim> lol <maxolasersquad> I had to look up today's strip. <RoAkSoAx> itnet7 happy new year my friend. hows everything going? <itnet7> RoAkSoAx: good, and you? <RoAkSoAx> itnet7 pretty good. been away from computers the past couple of weeks. what have u been up to <itnet7> RoAkSoAx: me too, I have been hanging out with Family, and have been geocaching alot during the holidays! <RoAkSoAx> itnet7 lol!! thats good though (to spend time with the fam). diid u update ur cv yet? <itnet7> sadly, no <itnet7> soon though, I did work on it <itnet7> but only slightly <RoAkSoAx> itnet7 dude it should not take you too long... 1 hour at most lol <itnet7> I know... I know... I will do it, thanks for encouraging me! :_) <itnet7> I really do need to <RoAkSoAx> itnet7 no prob man but seriously you have been telling me the same for the past year <itnet7> I am working on it now! <RoAkSoAx> thats good then... u on vacation? <itnet7> No, I am taking Friday off though <itnet7> and I have only taken two days off over the Holidats <itnet7> /s/Holidats/Holidays/ <RoAkSoAx> itnet7 oh wow!! anyways im off need to get some stuff done. take care man!! <itnet7> cool, talk with you soon, thanks again!! <dantalizing> yay <dantalizing> happy new year <dantalizing> morning all <crashsystems1> Afternoon here <crashsystems1> Probably over there too now that I think about it <dantalizing> lies <DammitJim> is there a limit on how many files you can have in a directory? <itnet7> Hey there dantalizing ! #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-01-04 * itnet7 changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-fl to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Florida Local Community IRC Chat !! || Happy New Years!!! Next Team Meeting: Tuesday, January 10th, 8:00 pm EST || Please add your discussion items and Ideas to our Meeting Agenda located here: http://tinyurl.com/ubuntu-fl-agenda || http://www.ubuntu-fl.org <reya276> Morning Everyone <tiemonster> happy new year <dantalizing> morning <reya276> Wow KOffice 2.3 looks great <reya276> is there a way that I can download Krita 2.3 for Ubuntu 10.04? <reya276> they don't seem to have a PPA for Ubuntu <reya276> does this "1:2.3.0-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1" mean that is version 2.3 <dantalizing> yes ... either that or its a sign of the impending apocolypse <reya276> LOL <reya276> dude how have you been man <reya276> long time don't speak bro <reya276> the last thing I heard from you was something about CSS <reya276> I'm looking at this repository so I can install Krita 2.3 to test http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/kubuntu_updates?dist=lucid <reya276> yeah I just added that repository but when I search for krita all I get is this version http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/kubuntu_updates?dist=lucid <reya276> oops <reya276> 1:2.1.2-0ubuntu1 (krita) <dantalizing> sry reya276 i had gone out to get something for lunch <reya276> is cool, I'm trying to find a PPA for Krita 2.3 but it seems like there is none, I added a Kubuntu backports PPA but no Krita <reya276> It seems like the only thing I get when I search in synaptic is Krita 1:2.2.2 <dantalizing> ubuntu is trying to fix this type of situation ... but for now it looks like you'll have to wait until someone packages it up <reya276> could you tell if Krita is in this repo http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/kubuntu-ppa_backports?dist=lucid <dantalizing> doesnt look like it , but you should be looking at a maverick ppa anyway, no? <dantalizing> it is in the maverick ppa <dantalizing> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/binary-i386/Packages <reya276> no because I'm running Lucid on this PC <dantalizing> oh <reya276> Yeah I have too many important apps running on here to upgrade <reya276> I'm also on 64bit <reya276> I can't even find an actual stand alone DEB file <reya276> man I have heard some cool stuff from folks that have tried it, if it can replace GIMP and I can do PRINT work then I will use this as my main PS replacement <reya276> ah this sucks http://pkgs.org/ubuntu-10.10/kubuntu-backports-amd64/krita_2.3.0a-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1_amd64.deb.html <reya276> oh could I use this http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/pool/main/k/koffice/krita_2.3.0a-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1_amd64.deb <reya276> what does the "a" means after Krita_2.30a? <reya276> does it stand for alpha? <maxolasersquad> reya276: According to the Krita website, that version is the "stable version aimed at developers, testers and early adopters, not at end users" <reya276> well I'm actually looking at this and it says its ready for production use http://krita.org/component/content/article/9-krita-updates/66-krita-230-released <reya276> so I'm trying to get 2.3 for Ubuntu 10.04 64bit if you can find a deb or a repository link for me that would be great as I have a Wacom Tablet here and I would like to test it and see how it stacks up against GIMP <reya276> this way I can point my fellow graphics designers whom are eager to switch from Windows to Ubuntu and they have not because GIMP does not provide Print(CMYK) model output <reya276> but Krita does and if this version is as great as some people are claiming then people can now have a true alternative to PS and Windows <reya276> How can I install a .tar file, it seems like the only way I'm going to be able to install Krita 2.3 <jamalta1> reya276: a .tar is just an archive, so it either contains the source or the binaries for what you want to install <jamalta1> can you open it with the archive app? I forget the name <maxolasersquad> file roller <reya276> oh this .tar file is the whole Koffice <reya276> man could they not just offer the singel app <maxolasersquad> reya276: Are you trying to get 2.3 instead of 2.1? 2.1 is in the repos. <jamalta1> reya276: is the version in apt not up to date? <maxolasersquad> It would be nice if we could get the major Linux players to agree on a single package management system. <jamalta1> yeah i know what you mean <reya276> well I think that whom ever is maintaining Kubuntu should release a package of the new version <reya276> is like saying ok we got new stuff but since your on 10.04 you can't get it <reya276> so it a sense is like MS telling XP users to move on(well in their case is understandable 13+ years on XP) but my point remains the same <reya276> bah even the .Tar file is messed up <reya276> tried to download it and it failed <reya276> I swear I wonder if it is the Devs hyping this thing up so us designers can go crazy over this and in the end it sucks <reya276> I would be sooooo MAD <maxolasersquad> reya276: That's a pretty common complaint about Ubuntu, but it is kind of how Ubuntu works, as well as many other Linux distros. A version of Ubuntu is, essentialy, a specific version of many pieces of software. <reya276> right....but I think that if they release say a new version they should at least provide some kind of PPA like most other pieces of software do, for some reason it seems like KDE does not do it because although they say 2.2 is supported by 10.10 but then what happens with 2.3 <reya276> just a bit confusing <reya276> on their part, is like they have not caught up to the times, hardcore linux users are not the only ones using this thing, time to wake up and smell the coffee for some of these folks <reya276> either that or it seems like they don't want non-hardcore users within their exclusive club which would be a shame if that were the case <reya276> I have read post out there that they sometimes don't provide a way to install it on Ubuntu just because they want to stick it to Ubuntu just because Ubuntu is more popular right now <reya276> man that sucks and is a shame that these folks think that way, I think that anything that helps Linux growth is good period <maxolasersquad> Yeah, PPAs are the way for vendors to provide updated software on Debian distributions. <maxolasersquad> That post you read was probably baseless speculation. <maxolasersquad> Most people who really do hate Ubuntu on the grounds that it is the most popular distribution (though they'd never actually admit it) are usually not the people actually out there doing real work making real things happen. <maxolasersquad> they tend to just be sofa critics. <dantalizing> everyone loves to hate the top dog <dantalizing> i keep telling this story, but a year or two before Ubuntu started, people were calling RedHat "the Microsoft of Linux" ... funny how all of a sudden nobody has complaints about redhat ... <rmcbride> one of the "special" aspects of 10.04 is that it's a LTS release. The rules for getting updates into an LTS are very specific, and generally only result in security bugfixes going in * rmcbride is looking up info on this Krita package now <rmcbride> Oh I see. Very nice looking. <rmcbride> 2.3.0b-0ubuntu1 is in the Natty Narwhal alpha, FWIW <rmcbride> ah, yea since it's part of koffice a simple backport is not really simple unfortunately <rmcbride> I will say that it looks very much like krita is more of a Corel Painter type program than a Photoshop/GIMP type program <maxolasersquad> Sometimes you can install the .dev from one version of Ubuntu in another. I would try it in a VM first, though. <rmcbride> yea you usually can do a force install of a .deb from one version to another, but wiht all the dependencies that koffice is likely to have, I'm not sure that will work. VM would be the way to test that <rmcbride> for certain <rmcbride> that's why I was going to see if it was a easy backport. It's not likely to be since it's part of a large suite of applications. <rmcbride> and I don't know a whole heck of a lot about backporting KDE stuff anyhow (yet) <reya276> maxolasersquad, hah lol I like that "Sofa Critics" I will be adding that one to my arsenal <reya276> rmcbride, well no because you can do straight photo editing in Krita just like you could in GIMP and then you also have the plus of having Painter type of effects that GIMP sometimes lacks <rmcbride> reya276: Cool. Certainly seemed like it would work, but from the wikipedia article I wasn't sure. When I get some time I'll have a davidhull@example.net on one of my 11.04 boxes <reya276> rmcbride, but I'm more concern with the fluidity of the application if the video is any indication of how it performs then I'm all in. Also there is the single window which GIMP lacks and it has GPU acceleration <reya276> what really sucks about it is that I can't test it, specially since I have a tablet here and at home it would have been nice to take it for a spin so I can actually write a decent review of it <rmcbride> Yea I only have a very small tablet, and I haven't tried it on my 11.04 box yet. Something with media simulation like painter has would be neat <reya276> ok just to be clear on Ubuntu 10.10 I can install Krita 2.3? <rmcbride> well <rmcbride> The problem is that it's part of koffice <rmcbride> and koffice 2.3 is likely to have specific version dependencies <rmcbride> which also won't be directly in 10.04 <rmcbride> 10.10 rather <rmcbride> at least on my laptop it shows 2.2 as teh version that can be installed. <rmcbride> there is no reason why it would not work, if all dependencies are met <rmcbride> one sec let me try something <rmcbride> ah, I dont' have those sources configured on this machine... hmm <rmcbride> reya276: it looks like it's in the kubuntu backports repo for 10.10. one sec and I'll get you the apt source lines <rmcbride> reya276: if you follow the "adding this PPA to your system" instructions here: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports you should be able to get it installed. All of the dependencies should be met this way <rmcbride> there is a wider source for backports as well I think but this one won't upgrade your entire system to stuff that is post-Maverick <rmcbride> Basically two of the kubuntu maintainers have already backported it, but it won't be accepted into maverick main since maverick has already released. Using that backport PPA, you can still install the newer version. <reya276> rmcbride, ok but that solution is only for 10.10 not 10.04 right <rmcbride> reya276: chekcing. they have 10.04 packages in that PPA too <rmcbride> but <reya276> yes it looks that way <rmcbride> it doesn't look like they have koffice. still looking <rmcbride> Yea looks like there's not a backport of that to 10.04. Not a huge surprise given the release date on 2.3 <reya276> rmcbride, thanks for the research. I appreciate it <rmcbride> reya276: no problem. Thanks for the pointer on the app. Look interesting <reya276> yeah I'm going to try it when I get home if it actually works on 10.10 as I have that at home <reya276> I will let you know how it works with the Wacom intous4 tablet <reya276> I remember at some point the Krita team was looking for people to either donate/test their apps with tablets <reya276> but don't know what happen. I hope it supports them <rmcbride> There's definitely tablet support in there from waht I saw <rmcbride> I don't have one hooked up here. I couldn't work out how brushes worked either, but I'm working right now and wan't get to it for a while <reya276> rmcbride, awesome then I'll give it a shot and see how it goes tonight, thanks <rmcbride> reya276: you're welcome. I'm interested in hearing how it goes. <reya276> man I hope it works well at least better than the GIMP because if it does we will have one more thing to BRAGG about <reya276> hey 2.2 works on 10.04 right <reya276> let me install that just so I can get familiar with it <Lupine> join #gnote #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-01-05 <shadowchaser> hello all once again I come to the forum for help with unbuntu can any one help? <reya276> How can I fix my update manager so that it stops telling me that my repositories are out of sync? <maxolasersquad_h> sudo aptitude update ? <maxolasersquad_h> reya276: ^^ <reya276> no it keeps failing <maxolasersquad_h> If that doesn't do it, post the exact error message. <reya276> let me pastebin the output one sec <maxolasersquad_h> k <reya276> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/550455/ <maxolasersquad_h> Try to browse to http://extras.ubuntu.com/ <maxolasersquad_h> Also, see if you can get to http://ppa.launchpad.net/ <maxolasersquad_h> My guess is that you either have a DNS or routing issue with your ISP. <maxolasersquad_h> Could be a firewall or host issue as well. <reya276> I can get to the first URL and the second one too <reya276> they both work from the browser <maxolasersquad_h> Can you view http://ppa.launchpad.net/am-monkeyd/nautilus-elementary-ppa/ubuntu/dists/maverick/Release.gpg <reya276> yes <maxolasersquad_h> Open up Synaptic and then click on Settings->Preferences. <maxolasersquad_h> Make sure, in the Network tab, you have "Direction connection to the internet" clicked. <maxolasersquad_h> s/Direction/Direct <reya276> yes that is setup that way <maxolasersquad_h> Something weird is happening. Apt is reporting that it cannot resolve ppa.ubuntu.com and cannot resolve extras.ubuntu.com <reya276> right <maxolasersquad_h> But Ubuntu can clearly resolve them, as you have demonstrated. <reya276> How about where it says "Reloading outdated package information"? in the general tab. right now is set to Always Ask <maxolasersquad_h> That's how mine is set as well. <reya276> see now I got this error <reya276> W: Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/Release.gpg Something wicked happened resolving 'archive.canonical.com:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname) <maxolasersquad_h> Are you getting the errors with ppa.ubuntu.com and extras.ubuntu.com this time? <reya276> is like they are different errors, if its not the extras then is the archive <reya276> no this time is the archive.canonical.com <maxolasersquad_h> It could just be that those servers are having issues then. <maxolasersquad_h> It may not be anything to be concerned about on your end. <reya276> no now I got a different error of a PPA I just added and I know that it is working correctly <reya276> Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/dists/maverick/Release.gpg Something wicked happened resolving 'ppa.launchpad.net:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname) <reya276> is like somehow they change all the time, so something has got to be wrong <reya276> and is not my ISP because I can access all sites everywhere <maxolasersquad_h> I believe it is a problem with the servers hosting ppa.ubuntu.com <reya276> let me check my wireless router firewall <maxolasersquad_h> They are only responding sporadically to your requests. <maxolasersquad_h> I'm not sure how they are setup, but if it's colocationed, the ones you are hitting could be getting taxed right now, and you are only able to get in sporadically. <maxolasersquad_h> Try again tomorrow and see if you still have the problem. <maxolasersquad_h> You could also try using another DNS provider, such as OpenDNS or Google's DNS. <reya276> how can I get my DSN address <reya276> the one from my ISP? <maxolasersquad_h> You are using a router, right? <reya276> yes <maxolasersquad_h> You should be able to set your DNS in your router settings. <maxolasersquad_h> Google has 6585208393 and 6585208393 <reya276> well right now is in dynamic <maxolasersquad_h> There should be a way to manually specify your DNS servers. <reya276> there is but I don't know what those are <maxolasersquad_h> What is your make/model of your router? <reya276> I let the ISP provide them automatically through my Wireless router <reya276> Belkin N router <reya276> I tried doing ifconfig but got nothing back <reya276> I should be able to get a DNS from an IP address right <maxolasersquad_h> In your web browser, go to 6585208393 <reya276> oh I know how to get to the router admin as I'm in there right now <reya276> I got my ip address which is 6585208393 <reya276> but I can't get the DNS for it <maxolasersquad_h> There's not place to manually configure your DNS? <maxolasersquad_h> On my Zyxel it is in the LAN section. <reya276> yes there is <reya276> but I don't know what the DNS is, I only know what the IP address is <maxolasersquad_h> Ok, put them there. <maxolasersquad_h> The DNS should be 6585208393 and 6585208393 <reya276> but I don't know the DNS <maxolasersquad_h> There's usually a place to put a primary and a secondary DNS server. <reya276> I'm trying to figure out what they are from my IP address <maxolasersquad_h> Can you post a screenshot of the configuration screen. <Chloric> evening guys <Chloric> its been like a monath <Chloric> hey itnet and roaxsoax <reya276> ah ok I got what you were saying, I used the 6585208393 and 6585208393 and it works <reya276> so now let me try and update <reya276> yeap no errors at all <maxolasersquad_h> Saweet! <maxolasersquad_h> ISP DNS FTL! <reya276> cool, thanks <reya276> oh one thing, I was able to add the repository for the krita 2.3 but it says it will install Mysql-server-core-5.1 for a graphics program? <reya276> will this slowdown my PC? <reya276> ok this is weird I install Krita 2.3 but I don't see an entry in the Applications Menu <reya276> hey what do I need to install so that I can get the look of KDE Default theme cause Krita looks horrible <reya276> oh and that DNS fix made my internet access faster wow <maxolasersquad_h> reya276: I'm glad to hear that Google's DNS is giving you faster browsing. <maxolasersquad_h> ISPs have a pretty strong reputation of providing horrible DNS servers. <reya276> yeap <reya276> hey how can I get the Krita to look the same as in KDE but in Gnome <reya276> Krita looks horrible for some reason <reya276> like I'm missing the QT4 widgets or something <maxolasersquad_h> I don't know. <reya276> for some reason it feels like is missing something like the theme looks all weird, maybe I'm missing a pacakge(s) or something <maxolasersquad_h> The only KDE app I run is KolourPaint, and it looks fine in Gnome. <reya276> like it does not look like this http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_D1EpnOVJuA8/TJ8sbzChNtI/AAAAAAAADMo/dmJ9bO6q6LE/s1600/krita02.png <maxolasersquad_h> KolourPaint is giving me the Gnome decorations. <maxolasersquad_h> The minimize/maximize, etc. buttons are on the top-left. Everything else looks like a regular KDE app. <reya276> right at work it looks like that too but not here <maxolasersquad_h> gidimanunaki: What does the gidi part mean in your handle? <gidimanunaki> Well, the gidim part loosely translates to "ghost" or "spirit". <maxolasersquad_h> Gotcha. Cool. <gidimanunaki> The rest is easily guessed, but does not translate to "lost native tribe". <maxolasersquad_h> I'm familiar with the Anunaki deal. <gidimanunaki> Pretty rare. Not many people take an interest in old Sumerian. <reya276> see it looks weird http://img205.imageshack.us/i/ubuntukrita23.png/ <maxolasersquad_h> It ties in with a lot of mythology, Judaism, muslim, conspiracy theories, greys, etc. <maxolasersquad_h> I find such things fun and interesting, and read up on those subjects from time to time. <gidimanunaki> I can out-geek you there. I've been reading up on this for a few days: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knuth_-yllion#Myriad_system <maxolasersquad_h> Isn't one of those powers supposed to be a googleplex? <gidimanunaki> Eventually. But I was sticking to the -yllions. <maxolasersquad_h> Or whatever number Google is named after. <gidimanunaki> 10^100. <gidimanunaki> Googolplex is 10^(10^100) <maxolasersquad_h> Yeah. <maxolasersquad_h> My two claims to nerddem is being able to recite pi to 20 decimal places, powers of two up to 2^12 off memory. <gidimanunaki> Just 2^12? <maxolasersquad_h> Though, being able to count by powers of two has actual practical application. <gidimanunaki> I only ever memorized Pi to 10 places. <gidimanunaki> I used to count by powers of 2 or 10 or random others when I was a kid. It was my form of fun. <maxolasersquad_h> After 4096 I have to start actually calculating the numbers. 2^12 will get you where you need to 95% of the time. <gidimanunaki> 8192, 16384,32768,65536,131072,262144,524288,1048576,2097152... I forget. I used to know further much faster. <maxolasersquad_h> I'm always surprised at how few programmers immediately know the significance of 32767. <gidimanunaki> 4194304,8388608,16777216,33554432... okay, that's it. <gidimanunaki> lol <gidimanunaki> It's the end of 32-bit? <maxolasersquad_h> It is hex FF in decimal <maxolasersquad_h> Er, FFFF <gidimanunaki> Yep. <maxolasersquad_h> Which is why, in so many languages, it is the limit of what a variable can hold. <gidimanunaki> It's hard to reconcile binary with a myriad system though. <maxolasersquad_h> I once read a book, like fifteen or more years ago (I'm 30) on how computers do complex math in binary. It was pretty interesting, but way beyond anything I cared to commit to memory. <maxolasersquad_h> It was pretty interesting though. Doing powers and stuff is pretty easy if you know the tricks. <gidimanunaki> Yeah, I've done math in binary. <gidimanunaki> But that myriad system, what struck me as fascinating, was that each order of magnitude up is the square of the one below it. <maxolasersquad_h> What is the pattern? I see that there are powers of 1-8, then after that there is pattern, but I cannot nail down exactly what it is. <gidimanunaki> I spend the last few days doing the powers, from 10^1 to 10^256. <gidimanunaki> The pattern gets easier as you practice. <gidimanunaki> http://westwood.fortunecity.com/hermes/490/yllion.txt <gidimanunaki> Make that 10^512. <gidimanunaki> You just follow the pattern up. Myllion, ten myllion, hundred myllion, ten hundred myllion, myriad myllion... etc. <gidimanunaki> Then a myllion myllion is a byllion. <maxolasersquad_h> So it's a naming convention for counting really large numbers? <gidimanunaki> Yep. The best part being that each next one up is the square of the previous. So you can logically count much higher numbers with less words. <gidimanunaki> Well. Less new words. <maxolasersquad_h> I see <gidimanunaki> Since a standard Billion is 10^9, but that Byllion is 10^16. <maxolasersquad_h> Well, here's my latest obsession: http://www.openstreetmap.org/ <maxolasersquad_h> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=30.405862&lon=-84.219353&zoom=19 <gidimanunaki> Interesting. <maxolasersquad_h> I've been working on http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=30.39777&lon=-84.2194&zoom=15&layers=M for a few months now. <gidimanunaki> Wow. That's nice. <maxolasersquad_h> Thanks <reya276> Morning Everyone <reya276> ok guys who wants to take on a Hard Drive issue this Morning? <reya276> KDE 4.5.1 is Amazing, true beauty on a screen <reya276> I installed that bad boy last night at home along with Krita and is short of just awesome <reya276> so no one wants to take on the challenge of getting this external HD working with Ubuntu <reya276> booh hoooh <maxolasersquad> reya276: I'll take on the HD if you will take on the invoice validation I'm working on. ;) <reya276> LOL <reya276> sounds like fun, what language are you using to build it <maxolasersquad> PL/SQL <maxolasersquad> We've been rewriting our inventory, invoicing, and billing system for about a year now. It has to be ready by the end of February. <reya276> so you guys are using Oracle? <reya276> or Perl + SQL <maxolasersquad> Oracle and PHP <reya276> good combination <reya276> how is the DB performance? <maxolasersquad> Very good. <maxolasersquad> Performance-wise, I'm very happy with Oracle's database. <RoAkSoAx> win 4 <zoopster> mhall119: you around? <dantalizing> morning <DammitJim> afternoon <DammitJim> hey guys, can someone recommend a good bluetooth headset? <DammitJim> I have the S9 from Motorola, but I'd like something more comfortable for the office <ShawnR> jawbone <ShawnR> i wont use anything else <maxolasersquad> Can anyone recommend a good git gui aside from gitk or gitg? <ShawnR> DammitJim: ppl ask me why my phone sounds crappy when i use any other bt headset <itnet7> dantalizing: pm? <reya276> hey can one of you guys help me out real quick <DammitJim> jawbone? <DammitJim> I just bought the S305 <DammitJim> ShawnR, jawbone... model? <dorgan> hello all <dantalizing> 'sup dorgan <dorgan> nm <dorgan> ...how were your holidays <dantalizing> we spent december in india, so my holidays were relaxed.... yours? <dorgan> yeah mine were relaxed as well...I dont have any family down here....they all live in NY...and my wife just has her parents <dorgan> i did have a google cr48 show up on my doorstep the day before christmas eve...so that was an early present <dantalizing> nice <dantalizing> its too late to request one of those, right? <dorgan> i dont think so <dorgan> i dont think they've sent our 60,000 yet <maxolasersquad> I thought 12-21-2010 was the last day to request one. <dantalizing> i thought so too maxolasersquad <itnet7> I haven't received one yet :-( <itnet7> I think the deadline to request is passed, but I have the link, let me see if it redirects you <ShawnR> DammitJim: i have the jawbone icon, it is the third jawbone i've had (i drive around town all day and use them EVERY DAY for work, all day long) <DammitJim> I'm sorry... I meant headphones? <DammitJim> is that 2 of them for stereo? <itnet7> I was just able to register my wife on the link for the Chrome netbook <dantalizing> nice <itnet7> s/netbook/notebook/ <ShawnR> ah, headphones <ShawnR> in that case, I like my Motorola S9s <ShawnR> i have the older red ones, the newer ones boast "surround sound" virtualization stuffs (and are gray/black) <DammitJim> ShawnR, I have those S9 but I only use them for running <DammitJim> my ear openings are rather small and they hurt after using them longer than an hour <DammitJim> I've tried the different adapters that they come with <DammitJim> have you heard anything about the S305s? <ShawnR> I use them for running, too <ShawnR> oh... <ShawnR> i have some like that (prior to S9s) <ShawnR> those aren't so comfy either <ShawnR> are you looking for sit down listening? <ShawnR> not cheap, but sound great! http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10151&catalogId=10551&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665095015 i use these for non-running (or non-lawn mowing) <ShawnR> the DR-BT50 from sony <ShawnR> i think walmart has em for like $129 or so <Spreadsheet> Hello <Spreadsheet> What do you do for releases? #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-01-06 <govatent> hello <reya276> Anyone of here use KDE recently? <gidimanunaki> Sorry. <gidimanunaki> I love me some GNOME. <govatent> i used kde a few releases back. its been awhile. did you have a question about it? <govatent> i always find more reasons why i love working with nix <reya276> oops sorry dude I was away from my pc <maxolasersquad> mhall119_: Ping <mhall119_> maxolasersquad: pong <maxolasersquad> I can't reach your tracker. Would you mind checking it? <mhall119_> try it now <reya276> Mangopen61 <reya276> Morning Everyone <maxolasersquad> mhall119: Sorry, yep it is working now. <dantalizing> morning <reya276> oh oh for some reason I can use or mount any USB flash drives <reya276> *I can't <reya276> I keep getting a MSG about not having permission or that External is not the correct drive??? <reya276> weird <itnet7> Morning, anyone testdriving Natty Alpha 1 using the desktop disk and experiencing Unity freezing up? <itnet7> s/desktop disk/desktop iso <reya276> nope I'm stuck on a system wide Hard Drive mounting error <dantalizing> itnet7: it was flakey for me ... i've quit using it since ... <dantalizing> i got random freezes or screen redraw issues <itnet7> Thanks dantalizing, sounds similar <itnet7> reya276: what has changed on your system? <reya276> nothing, I think what happen was that the external drive I had before broke so I replaced it and now it is malfunctioning <itnet7> ah <reya276> could be because the ID changed <reya276> so now even when I try to mount a USB drive it fails <itnet7> have you tried to update /etc/fstab? <reya276> so I can't create a startup disk or anything <itnet7> with the correct id? <reya276> no, want to help me with that <itnet7> Sure, give me a sec <reya276> I would not even know how to obtain the ID <reya276> I actually need to fix it that drive so that I can re-start backing up my system <reya276> I also wanted to partition that new drive so I can install Kubuntu 10.10 on it but I can due to this issue <reya276> so I'm totally stuck <itnet7> so run this at a terminal: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid <itnet7> does it show your new uuid? <reya276> total 0 <reya276> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2011-01-04 11:53 0b0dae67-1f57-479a-b6bb-f9d40b83e5ef -> ../../sda5 <reya276> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2011-01-04 11:53 2394e4e2-7306-4f5a-8358-21750566d7f8 -> ../../sda3 <reya276> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2011-01-04 11:53 99ce2e41-a8a0-47fa-930e-3b1546c6ead6 -> ../../sda1 <itnet7> let me check something <itnet7> Is the external drive connected? <reya276> right now the HD seems to be mapped to a Directory called External <reya276> yes <itnet7> what happens when you type: sudo fdisk -l <reya276> I have an external SATA connection <reya276> one sec let me pastebin this <itnet7> can you thanks <itnet7> and this too if you don't mind... : mount <reya276> http://paste.ubuntu.com/551116/ <reya276> mind, you are helping me dude <itnet7> :-) <reya276> http://paste.ubuntu.com/551117/ <itnet7> sorry no colon just mount <itnet7> reya276: can post the output of the mount command without adding the colon, so just mount all by itself <itnet7> s/can/can you/ <reya276> k <reya276> http://paste.ubuntu.com/551122/ <reya276> itnet7: Here is the content of my /etc/fstab file as well http://paste.ubuntu.com/551127/ <itnet7> reya276: just trying to see if I can narrow down what you need to do in order to fix it so give me a few bbiab <reya276> k <itnet7> reya276: one more pastebin... output of: cat /etc/mtab <reya276> k <reya276> http://paste.ubuntu.com/551139/ <itnet7> I would try commenting out the last line in your /etc/fstab <itnet7> the one that says /dev/sdb1 /External <itnet7> do a quick dmesg command before you plug in the drive <itnet7> then do dmesg again and see what it reports after plugging in the drive <maxolasersquad> Total fail. Received an e-mail from my company about the dangers of flourscent bulbs, immediately followed up with the snopes article debunking it. <reya276> itnet7, I did what you said but nothing changed * MichelleQ just signed up to do a session for User Days. <MichelleQ> woot? <maxolasersquad> MichelleQ: Woot! <MichelleQ> what possesses me to do these things, I'll never know. But here goes nothing! <itnet7> reya276: no change to dmesg after commenting out that line in fstab and unplugging and replugging it in? <reya276> Hey does anyone know how many concurrent connections does SQL Server 2000 can have? <reya276> itnet7, it does not seem like it but then again I could be wrong since I'm not a linux pro <itnet7> reya276: pm? <reya276> huh? <itnet7> I was just thinking we could pm to continue <reya276> oh sorry dude I had to change my Yahoo IM due to porn chics trying to contact me, the new IM id is reya10276 <zus> hi guys, been awhile. <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: dude!! I drop my N1 to the toilet <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: i put it in rice for a couple of days and seems to be working just fine <itnet7> RoAkSoAx: OMG, you're lucky <itnet7> hey there zus ! <itnet7> zus: I was going to be in you're area sometime soon taking a certification exam <MichelleQ> RoAkSoAx: dude, don't text from the can. <MichelleQ> :D <zus> finnally got the net back and stuff. got a "N"used laptop, thinking on putting ubuntu 10.10 on it <zus> oh yea where is the exam? <RoAkSoAx> MichelleQ: hahah the phone was off luckily... that's why I think it survided :P <itnet7> Uhm, some testing center... <itnet7> MichelleQ: nice on the User day thing! <zus> lol MichelleQ i prefer to call the can the office, where texting is fine, but hold my calls <zus> probably in fort peice in IRSC campus? <itnet7> let me doublecheck the prometric site <itnet7> vue I men <itnet7> s/men/mean/ <zus> im right now looking into getting my free magazine http://fullcirclemagazine.org/ <itnet7> zus there are two centers.... You live PSL right? <itnet7> Go4Cast, Inc. and Moore Solutions <zus> yeah i live in PSL. <mhall119> zoopster: were you looking for me a couple days ago? <zus> i got a Thinkpad Tseries (T1 <zus> T61 14.1 wide laptop <zoopster> mhall119: yea...just wanted to see if you wanted to grab lunch this week...didn't realize you were out of town! <mhall119> maybe next week then <itnet7> nice zus nvidia or ati? <zus> itnet7, this one is Nvidia <itnet7> mhall119: how is the trip going??? <itnet7> zus: sweet! <zus> âhope 10.10 or even kxstudio 10.04 (ubuntu) works on it, it still has vista on it, i might use the wubi and teach myself how to run ubuntu that way <itnet7> zus: I played Enemy Territory Quake Wars on the one I was using from work (the nvidia t-61.. the ati t-61 barfed on me) <zus> i played runes of magic for darn near 24 hours strainght,.. <itnet7> Nice!! <zus> ithe bottom heas up really hot after a few hours, but littereally a few seconds over a fan its cools down <itnet7> in ET: Quake wars you can fly helicopters drive tanks paratroop pretty intense FPS, I was surprised it handled it so well <itnet7> it did get hot! I didn't realize that about the fan... <zus> the comments on this fan was terrible. my buddy ordered and bought this llaptop and i was there when i came in in may 10. i got it on xmas eve 10 lol so its kinda brand new <zoopster> mhall119: next week I'm in London so week after <zus> zoopster, london is nice,... <zus> itnet7, 2.00 gigahertz Intel Core2 Duo <zus> ThinkPad Display 1440x900 [Monitor] (14.0"vis) / 4 gig ram. its the thinkvantage toolbox stuff i might loose on going GNU/Linux <zus> where can i get a nexus or nexus one? isnt that googles phone? what carriers have it? <zoopster> egads zus london is rainy or snowy and cold - it's miserable most of the time!!! <zoopster> zus: ebay is the only place for n1 <zus> zoopster, true guess thats why there is a pub every three doors. lol <zoopster> I would not venture for a nexus s...my n1 rocks <zoopster> heh...good point! <zoopster> n1 is tmobile and att <zus> im listening to a podcast supplement to the fullcircle magazine from ubuntu and teyare talking about the android phones and i have yet to find a nexus, they said the phone is metal or something. <zus> its about 15-25 minuts into the podcast its on the left hand side http://fullcirclemagazine.org/ <zus> (dont tell anyone but this is my first time listening to a pdcast,....hahaha) <mhall119> itnet7: we came back yesterday <itnet7> Oh, cool mhall119 I saw the picture, but wasn't sure it meant you were home <itnet7> Hey there culb ! <dorgan> anyone in here have any experience with GIS mapping and such? <maxolasersquad> dorgan: What kind of experience? <dorgan> the ability to setup a database to hold shape information and then a system to sit on top of that to allow you to create new polygons <maxolasersquad> Ok. I don't have any experience with that. Only with gathering traces from a GPS and mapping them with a GUI. <maxolasersquad> I contribute to openstreetmap, but don't do any of the backend programming. <mhall119> itnet7: yup, drove all day yesterday #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-01-07 <reya276> Is there an application that I can use in Ubuntu to create a windows usb installer? <mianosm> I extended an ntfs drive (one physical drive, with 990 gigs of data on it, and extended it out the other 10) in server 2008, is there anyway that I can mount that volume in ubuntu? parted is only seeing the one parition and there is no fslabal or flags. :( <maxolasersquad_h> mianosm: I'd post back in about an hour and a half when more people are online. <maxolasersquad> It looks like there's an official LibreOffice PPA, ppa:libreoffice/ppa <maxolasersquad> It looks like you have to get rid of OO to install the official LibreOffice packages, and I still had a bunch of warning during install, but once installed it looks much better than the one on the ODF website. <tiemonster> I'm just going to wait until Google buys Oracle <maxolasersquad> tiemonster: If Google buys Wal Mart, then we can be sure the apocalypse is night. <tiemonster> who would want Walmart? ewe. <maxolasersquad> Or, perhaps a merger between Microsoft, Wal Mart and Monsanto. <maxolasersquad> They could call themselves MonRoMart. <maxolasersquad> Then we'd just need Target, Apple and Cascadian Farms to merge so that we could pretend we have choice in the marketplace. <BartDev> Hello everyone <BartDev> I created my own Certificate Authority so that I can generate internal SSL certificates for application testing, now is it possible for me to create DNS zones for these certificates such as test.weapps.net or something like that <mhall119> BartDev: each SSL certificate you issue will have a FQDN in its common name (I think) <mhall119> as long as that matches the FQDN of the host, and as long as the certificate is signed by one your browser trusts, you should be good to go <BartDev> mhall119, ok I understand. Now is there a way in BIND for me to create a Zone such as webdev <BartDev> mhall119, and then create a subdomain called myapp.webdev and call it from the browser such as https://myapp.webdev <BartDev> since is internally it should be possible right <BartDev> it is weird because if I enter localhost it takes me to http://localhost but when I enter webdev it does http://www.webdev.com <BartDev> which it should not since I created a BIND zone <BartDev> do I need to add that somewhere else <BartDev> oh I figured it out, you have to just add it to the host addresses <tiemonster> BartDev: or fully qualify the domain: http://webdev/ <DammitJim> is it possible for a webserver to not close an http connection? <DammitJim> where would I see what's going on in terms of connections and queues on apache? <mianosm1> lsof -i <mianosm1> DammitJim: <DammitJim> lsof -i thanks! <mianosm1> or maybe: $sudo lsof -i | grep ESTABLISHED <mianosm1> actually, sudo lsof -i | grep -i apache* <reya276> oh my god check this out funny as hell watch the whole thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg <mianosm1> if you stop the webserver the connection will most likely take a moment to die off. <mianosm1> reya276: 11 million views from a video posted back in June... ;) <reya276> huh? <mianosm1> Yes, that video is hilarious. <maxolasersquad> Is that the one where the customer wants the iPhone regardless. <mianosm1> Yes. <maxolasersquad> Note: NSF <maxolasersquad> But it is pretty funny. <mianosm1> DammitJim: was that the information you were looking for? <reya276> oh epic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHO8l-Bd1O4&feature=related <DammitJim> yes <DammitJim> but now I found out that this server is running IIS... what a crock of something <mianosm1> IIS on linux? <DammitJim> no lol <DammitJim> another server <DammitJim> brb #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-01-08 <BartDev> anyone here? <BartDev> how can I fix bad sectors on a disk from the CLI? <gidimanunaki> Um... fsck? <BartDev> ok and that will actually help me fix the bad sectors <mhall119> it won't actually fix them, it'll just mark them not to be used <BartDev> ok thanks <marine1> -what up fellas <ljloverrj> hi <ljloverrj> can you tell me a program for listing services in ubuntu <shadowchaser> hello zoopster I just wanted to tell you thanks for the help the other day really helped me out #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-01-09 <Spreadsheet> Why isn't a loco together with a lug? <Spreadsheet> I found that around Ft. Lauderdale, there's many LUGs <Spreadsheet> Miami, Palm Beach county, the state lug, this LoCo, and probably a SE one <ejv> danstoner: try SIFR before for your web fonts? :) <Spreadsheet> Which LUG is the biggest around here? <ejv> danstoner: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Inman_Flash_Replacement <ejv> you mean in florida? <Spreadsheet> ejv: yeah <Spreadsheet> I think the LoCo would be very big, since there are so many Ubuntu users <ejv> im the last person to be asking, having never attended a meeting <ejv> any physical* meeting that is <ejv> try checking launchpad, there may in fact be some membership metrics <ejv> although i can't vouch for them being up-to-date or accurate <mhall119> Spreadsheet: I don't have numbers for any of the LUGs <mhall119> but the biggest loco gathering we've had was just shy of 60 people <Spreadsheet> mhall119: when was that? <mhall119> last fall <Spreadsheet> 10.10? <Spreadsheet> 11.04 is not LTS right? <mhall119> um...is that question in relation to loco size? <Spreadsheet> No <mhall119> ok <mhall119> neither 10.10 nor 11.04 are LTS <mhall119> 10.04 is LTS, and 12.04 should be as well <gidimanunaki> Well, later all you FL people! :3 #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-01-10 <cjohnston> Anyone know who cokedude is <mhall119> nope <cjohnston> mhall119: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Home?action=diff&rev1=112&rev2=113 <gidimanunaki> Wow, there's really a lot of people in here. <mhall119> cjohnston: what am I looking at? <jamalta> cjohnston: "## I am part of the documentation team so I hope this is ok to add." <jamalta> That was noted by cokedude in his edit <danstoner> ejv: solutions using Flash are no go for me. <danstoner> re: downloadable web fonts <cjohnston> jamalta: I know.. And my removing it was saying it wasn't ok to add. <cjohnston> lol <reya276> Morning Everyone <mianosm1> morning <mianosm1> wish I could get 7.1 on a ATi 4670 today. :( <dorgan> does anyone know if there is a way to change the time at which logwatch runs? <mianosm1> is it in a cron? <mianosm1> dorgan? <dorgan> i dont know <dorgan> i would assume so <mianosm1> one second I'm installing it <dorgan> guess i should start by looking there <mianosm1> or that ;) <dorgan> :) <dorgan> ok looks like its listed in /etc/crond.daily/00logwatch <dorgan> how do i change the time that cron.daily runs? <mianosm1> sudo vim /etc/crond.daily/00logwatch <mianosm1> oh <mianosm1> cp /etc/crond.daily/00logwatch ~ <mianosm1> then add ~/00logwatch to your user cron (use full path if you run it as root/nobody/etc) <mianosm1> the time that all scripts in cron.daily is dictated in: /etc/crontab <mianosm1> so if you just want to change when _all_ your daily cron jobs get called: sudo vim /etc/crontab <mianosm1> and change the minutes/hour for /etc/cron.daily <mianosm1> Those two options should pretty much take care of you? :) <dorgan> yup <mianosm1> I expect one chewey chocolate chip cookie now. <dorgan> :) <mianosm1> the cool part, is now you can edit the /etc/crontab, and make a yearly folder, or seasonal folder or whatever you'd like. I really just use my user crontab though, cause I suck maybe...or laziness. One of the two, or possible a combination of the two. <amouge[work]> ok stupid question... if i wanna run a php file on crontab.. do i need to do /usr/bin/php /path/to/php/file with quotes around it or without quotes? <amouge[work]> because it doesnt seem that my crontab is running <maxolasersquad> amouge[work]: Should just be: php path/to/file.php <amouge[work]> maxolasersquad ok, well either way it didnt work lol <amouge[work]> */10 * * * * php /var/www/main/cron.php <amouge[work]> anything wrong with that? <maxolasersquad> If you run php /var/www/main/cron.php from the CLI, does it work? <maxolasersquad> I have some php scripts I run from cron just like that. <amouge[work]> yes it does work <dorgan> amouge[work]: what do you get back from "which php" <amouge[work]> oh wait.. <amouge[work]> i think i see why, i was assuming i copied and pasted, but i typed it in.. and uhm.. i made a typo, lets see if it fixes now lol <amouge[work]> i'll have to wait 10 minutes <amouge[work]> heh <dorgan> you can also put #!/usr/bin/php at the top of your php file above the <? and then chmod +x file.php and then you can run it as an executable <amouge[work]> was suppose to be /var/www/maint/cron.php <dorgan> thats what I do with my CLI scripts <amouge[work]> hmm true <amouge[work]> does that go before the <?php <dorgan> yes <amouge[work]> k <dorgan> as long as those files are only used from the command line its should lessen some keystrokes :) <amouge[work]> yes they are <amouge[work]> in fact im checking to make sure they are running from command line <amouge[work]> and not allowing to be run from browser <amouge[work]> its maintanence for an internal timeclock <amouge[work]> erm.. wtf? <amouge[work]> my php.ini memory limit got set to -1 somehow for CLI, so i changed it to 256MB and now im getting a memory exhausted <amouge[work]> lol <amouge[work]> oh well.. set it back to -1, at least then the script ran <MichelleQ> Hey guys <reya276> hey is there a way to sync the notes(Memo App) on your Android phone to your Google Acct? <zbrown> reya276: not sure... but Evernote might solve that problem :) <reya276> bah I was trying not to install anything else <reya276> thanks <reya276> anyone know of a good Ubuntu blog which is updated with new content daily? <mianosm1> the fridge is the only offical blog I know that has somewhat decent feeds of info <mianosm1> http://planet.ubuntu.com seems pretty active. <reya276> thanks, that planet stuff is a bunch of dudes/gals pointing out stuff. I mean more on the lines of actual articles <mianosm1> the planet is an aggregation of blogs from developers/community members. <maxolasersquad> reya276: What kind of content are you looking for? <reya276> ah ok so is links to their blogs, I will take a look at it <reya276> thanks * itnet7 changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-fl to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Florida Local Community IRC Chat !! || Happy New Years!!! Next Team Meeting: Tuesday, January 11th, 8:00 pm EST || Please add your discussion items and Ideas to our Meeting Agenda located here: http://tinyurl.com/ubuntu-fl-agenda || http://www.ubuntu-fl.org <itnet7> Sorry, 'bout the wrong date :-( <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: o/ #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-01-11 <tiemonster> shh <tiemonster> you guys are too talkative today <itnet7> tiemonster: lol <tiemonster> life! <itnet7> tiemonster: how have you been? <tiemonster> fairly busy <tiemonster> past few weeks have been a welcomed break <tiemonster> classes start tomorrow <tiemonster> work on our open source project starts up again on Monday <itnet7> I am in a M$ brainwash class atm, finally was able to get online, Very slow connection though, my ssh session to my house is lagging <tiemonster> :-) <tiemonster> enough for IRC <itnet7> tiemonster: you deserved the break, I almost sat the LPI over the holidays <tiemonster> I thought about it <tiemonster> that was a great price <tiemonster>
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