#kubuntu-devel 2005-11-01 <AndyFitz> g'day again <Tm_T> what's g-day? <AndyFitz> still trying to figure out why qtconfig and scribuscvs don't use the widgets library paths <Tm_T> ;--P <AndyFitz> Tim_T, its a whole lot easier than saying good day gentlemen :) <Tm_T> tim? <Tm_T> AndyFitz: an oh, I know ;) <Tm_T> just joking <Tm_T> and oh, tim? <AndyFitz> g'day mrdocs <AndyFitz> oops <AndyFitz> tm <Tm_T> :p <mrdocs> hehe <AndyFitz> the 'm' glyph has so many vertical lines.. I tricked myself into seeing 5 lines in Tm and not 4 <Tm_T> just call me Tm_T ot tmt or precident or Kekkonen ;) <AndyFitz> Tm_T it is mate :) <Tm_T> president even <Tm_T> anyway, sleep -> <AndyFitz> night <AndyFitz> Riddell, mrdocs and I are trying to sort out a QT bug that happens with qtconfig and scribus cvs under ubuntu. Any luck finding out where the issue is ? <mrdocs> Riddell: hi jon <AndyFitz> we may have missed him. its late at night over there for both you guys * mrdocs nods <mrdocs> for tomorrow <AndyFitz> ok <_Tonio_> morning <dholbach> hey <dholbach> would some of you guys mind coming over to #ubuntu-bugs too? <dholbach> to tend the kubuntu bug triagists? <Tm_T> hm <AndyFit1> g'day Tm_T <AndyFit1> Riddell ping <Tm_T> hmh, what's with KGuitar & KGuitarTMP <Tm_T> ok, at least KGuitar seems to be the tool for me, I can do music again <3 <Tm_T> there's no loss using FOSS ;) * lamont-away idly notes that he will upload arts, knetworkconf, and kaffeine sometime within the next 5-6 days <lamont-away> unless someone beats him to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/09/msg00020.html <Tm_T> hm <Tm_T> was there somewhere midi-howto ? * apokryphos feels the need to make two trivial site suggestions <apokryphos> (i) link to amarok 1.3.5 changes (and their site) on the news page? (ii) "What is Kubuntu" title is there twice... might actually be down to me. <apokryphos> (on the FAQ page, that is) <Riddell> apokryphos: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.3.5.php ok? <apokryphos> yup, perfect <Riddell> faq.php fixed <Riddell> thanks <pef> Riddell: hello Jonathan <Riddell> hi pef baby <pef> Riddell: can you please upload qtparted ? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=794 <Riddell> pef: I triedwhen you last asked but gcc didn't want to install on my chroot so I couldn't test it, I'll try again today <Riddell> keep poking me, it's the right thing to do :) <pef> ok :] <pef> a question about versions: I have foo-0.6-0ubuntu1, and it needs a rebuild, should I increase version number, or just add build1 ? 0.6-0ubuntu1build1 ? <Riddell> why does it need a rebuild? <pef> Riddell: empty package <Riddell> what was empty? <pef> broken dependency, sorry <pef> malone #3576 <Riddell> increase version number is fine, the 0build1 stuff is just for packages from debian that bad to be rebuilt on ubuntu because of gcc change but where there was no changes to the package and we didn't want an -ubuntu version which would stop auto-sync <pef> Riddell: malone #3360 for empty package <Riddell> patch for 3576 looks good :) <pef> Riddell: about #3360 if wasn't FTFFS too, and just need a rebuild, how manage revision number ? <pef> Riddell: not very complicated patch ;) <Riddell> if it's got changes in it then it needs a -ubuntu version number <Riddell> it already has an -ubuntu version number by looks of it so just increment that <pef> Riddell: like here ? http://dev.erodia.net/ubuntu/kzenexplorer/kzenexplorer_0.6-0ubuntu1.debdiff <Riddell> pef: that's all correct yes <\sh> moins <pef> Riddell: thank you ! <pef> Riddell: I applied to being a MOTU, do you think you can "support" me at cc meeting ? <Riddell> pef: woo! yeah <pef> cool :] <pef> foo-1.5.3-3 isn't packaged yet into Ubuntu, new changelog entry should be 1.5.4-0ubuntu1, right ? <Riddell> pef: I don't understand <Riddell> if uptream is 1.5.3 and there's no debian call it 1.5.3-0ubuntu1 <pef> Riddell: this is this package http://packages.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/c/checkinstall/checkinstall_1.5.3-3/changelog <Riddell> and what are you asking? <pef> what the new changelog version entry should be <Riddell> what are you doing to it? <Riddell> pef: oh kcheckgmail got into dapper I saw <Riddell> via debian, with your changes <pef> nice :) <pef> Riddell: adding make to Depends, checkinstall doesn"t work without it (malone #3142) <Riddell> then it should be 1.5.3-3ubuntu1 <pef> Riddell: I don't understand the "3" before ubuntu, shouldn't it be a 0, since the package wasn't yet packaged by ubuntu ? <pef> Riddell: such a change is important enough for breezy-updates ? <Riddell> pef: the 3 is the debian number, since that's the number debian uses ubuntu needs to inherit that <Riddell> pef: which change? <Riddell> breezy-updates is very strictly controlled and only minor and serious patches get in <pef> Riddell: adding make to Depends for checkinstall * lamont prepares to upload arts <Riddell> universe. not sure who controls breezy-updates for universe <\sh> the same people who are in control for main ;) <\sh> mdz that is right now <Riddell> lamont: go ahead, or if you wait a few hours I might well get round to doing it <pef> Riddell: thanks for you patience to answer my lames questions ;) <\sh> hmmm <\sh> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libqt3-mt-dev (>= 3:3.3.4-4) qt3-dev-tools (>= 3:3.3.4-4) <\sh> but <\sh> shermann@nc6000-laptop:~/packages/breezy/qscintilla/debian/qscintilla-1.6$ apt-cache madison libqt3-mt-dev <\sh> libqt3-mt-dev | 3:3.3.4-8ubuntu5 | http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages <lamont> Riddell: almost done, gonna test build it to make sure it's happy/etc. you want a bug in bz with the diff? <lamont> arts frees up a few things, and it still leaves kaffeine, knetworkconf, koffice, konversation, ksystemlog for you to do. :-) <\sh> oh I'm doomed...missing a -S <Riddell> lamont: in bz? <Riddell> oh, bugzilla. sure <lamont> bugzilla.ubuntu.com.. you know.. <lamont> oh, and sanekonsole <\sh> qscintilla uploaded :( <Riddell> \sh: why is that bad? <\sh> Riddell: because it belongs to my "toolchain" of python-qt stuff, means, I untightend one build-dep and uploaded it as ubuntu version with purpose <pef> bye all :) <Riddell> \sh: but you uploaded it <\sh> Riddell: yeah...I need it for python-qt3 <Riddell> \sh: so you're saabout your upload? <Riddell> \sh: so you're sad about your upload? <\sh> Riddell: yes..because the whole python-qt situation is a bit "strange"...as long as pyQT upstream doesn't follow simple rules like "documenting your work" :( <Sime> support for qscintilla has to be built with PyQt. annoying. <\sh> Sime: that's why I made a "stupid" change to "debian/control" to have a ubuntuX version...which p*sses me off somehow <Sime> what do you mean by 'stupid'? <\sh> Sime: removing a tightend build-dep... <Sime> oh <\sh> Sime: this is what I name " 'stupid' change" <\sh> but it's with a purpose <\sh> but I'm happy to see "eric" in dapper again ;) <Sime> cool, are there any big additions planned for dapper? (apart from 3.5) <\sh> Sime: I hope we can get a working qt4 implementation of pyqt at least for universe.. <Sime> \sh: I'm don't know how useful it will be in 6 months. <\sh> Sime: thinking about kde4, we need to have a working version...if not, we have to remove some stuff from kubuntu main which is not nice :( <Sime> \sh: errr... there won't be a KDE4 in 6 months though <\sh> Sime: but after 7 months we will work on it...so it should be qt4 ready (the python stuff) #kubuntu-devel 2005-11-02 <Riddell> pef_aw: when I compile qtparted the /usr/sbin/qtparted file ends up empty <Riddell> pef_aw: fresh recompile seem to be fine, I think my computer just crashed at the wrong moment <Riddell> pef_aw: uploaded <Riddell> pef_aw: new kvpnc uploaded thanks <Riddell> seth_k|away: what's the status of kmobiletools? <seth_k|away> Riddell, I've been swamped with exams :/ <seth_k|away> if someone wants to finish it off it's almost done <seth_k|away> otherwise I'll probably finish next weekend <seth_k|away> e.g. not tomorrow <seth_k|away> but Friday next <Riddell> seth_k|away: maybe pef will finish it, he's very up and coming on the MOTU scene :) <seth_k|away> ok :) or if he is busy, it will be done next weekend one way or another <seth_k|away> methinks there are just minor changes left as per dholbach's comments <seth_k|away> What in the world are you still doing up Riddell, it's like 3 am there <Riddell> seth_k|away: actualy it's 21:55 here :) <Riddell> (but 3am isn't completely unusual for me either) <seth_k|away> you're not over in the UK? <seth_k|away> ohh, you're over for UBZ? <Riddell> yes, montreal <seth_k|away> yeah, I had forgotten <seth_k|away> okay, food time <Tm_T> Riddell: about your post in kde-artist mailing list.. no permission to splash package? <Tm_T> I get 403 <Riddell> Tm_T: try now <Tm_T> thanks <Tm_T> use it immediately ;) <Tm_T> have to say, very good <Tm_T> get some sleep -> <Riddell> pef_aw: kzenthing uploaded, control needed s/breezy/dapper/ <Riddell> hi freeflying, get my e-mail? <freeflying> Riddle:let me check it <freeflying> Riddle:I've told this to minghua ,the maintainer of scim in debian <Riddell> freeflying: great <Riddell> freeflying: going to fix up skim? <freeflying> Riddle: I'm working for it now and soon it will be uploaded <Riddell> groovy <freeflying> thanks <Riddell> give me a ping when it's uploaded <pef_aw> Riddell: thank you, but I leaved breezy for a breezy-updates upload, since the problem is similar in Breezy <_Tonio_> hi all <JRe> hi _Tonio_ <_Tonio_> hi JRe <JRe> _Tonio_: how are you ? <_Tonio_> JRe: fine ;) <_Tonio_> isa server to install....... <_Tonio_> but fine ;) <JRe> :) <_Tonio_> JRe: did you saw for standard version in packages ? (316)288-4715 <_Tonio_> I have to note that <_Tonio_> s/standard/standards <Tm_T> I can't install ubuntu to my server pc <JRe> _Tonio_: ho no I didn't know <Tm_T> installer keep saying there's no ethernet but firewire <_Tonio_> mornfall: Tm_T <Tm_T> firewire in pentium 200MHz sure <_Tonio_> morning Tm_T <Tm_T> :) <_Tonio_> ^^ still sleeping a bit ;) <Tm_T> morning _Tonio_ <Tm_T> well, almost no sleep here <JRe> I woke up early to give a lesson at the university but it was cancelled :) <Tm_T> well, I guess I got 2h sleep <_Tonio_> I woke up too late to be at work and missed my morning meeting ;) <Tm_T> :p <_Tonio_> as about always ;) <_Tonio_> Tm_T: I was doing this for month, but from now two weeks, I try to sleep at least 5 hours per night.... <_Tonio_> it is really better during the day ;) <Tm_T> yu <Tm_T> but sometimes I feel too shit to sleep <Tm_T> anyway, trying to hunt some food -> <_Tonio_> JRe: I will package klear toonight <JRe> _Tonio_: yep :) <_Tonio_> and maybe kompile if klear goes quick <JRe> _Tonio_: i have finished my work on ksystemlog. it's a lot better now <_Tonio_> here is the problem when you build a new package, it can take from 20 minutes to many hours.... <_Tonio_> JRe: fine ;) <_Tonio_> JRe: any ambition to work on systemsettings bugs ? ^_^ <JRe> _Tonio_: should be the case soon :) ATM i'm working on my new KFormat * _Tonio_ is sad to see somany bugs in the admin toolspart of kubuntu..... <_Tonio_> s/toolspart/tools part <_Tonio_> JRe: nice <pef> _Tonio_: standards-version should be 3.6.2, not (316)288-4715 ;) <_Tonio_> pef ? <pef> [09:51] <_Tonio_> JRe: did you saw for standard version in packages ? (316)288-4715 <_Tonio_> pef : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=658 <_Tonio_> look at Riddell 's revu.... <pef> _Tonio_: I've asked to a dd, and another MOTU told me not to use last digit <_Tonio_> pef, okay, so we'll have to make it clear ;) <_Tonio_> pef: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=777 <_Tonio_> same here.... <pef> _Tonio_: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=803 <pef> _Tonio_: look at #ubuntu-motu ;) <_Tonio_> pef: okay, I admit, but then I think all revuers have to decide of a standard <pef> _Tonio_: yep <pef> Riddell: hello, I think you're wrong when setting Standards-Version to (316)288-4715, you should'nt use last digit <pef> Riddell: allee, dholbach and amny dd in #debian-devel agree to use only 3 digits (3.6.2) <cmvo> Riddell: Hi Jonathan! <pef> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kde-i18n/+bug/485 This is fixed by a simple rebuild. Should I upload the rebuilded version to revu, or just add a debdiff ? <jjesse> i'm trying to build nessus thrugh the nessus installer and it is having problems with not findng flex, lex and yacc what package do i need to install for those? <Riddell> good morning all <Riddell> pef: add a debdiff and poke me is probably good as any <Riddell> jjesse: tried installing flex and bison packages? <jjesse> is yacc in one of those packages? <Riddell> should be in bison I think <Riddell> it is a pune or play on words <jjesse> oh <Riddell> pef: that kde-i18n-se beastie is invalid <Riddell> Mez! <Mez> Riddell!!! <Mez> hows things? <Riddell> tres bien <Mez> good good <Mez> when you flying to montreal btw? <Riddell> although the swimming pool is just too short to get a proper swim in <Riddell> last wednesday :) <Mez> oh <Mez> ok <Mez> lol <Mez> how is it? <Riddell> between the quebecois and the chinese it's quite cultural <cmvo> Riddell: Hi Jonathan! <Mez> cold? <Riddell> hi cmvo baby <cmvo> I think I found something (or it :-) in case of the admin problem: <cmvo> kdesu_stub gets passed "KDESYCOCA=/tmp/kde-user/ksycoca" in the environment by <cmvo> kdesu. <cmvo> /tmp/kde-user/ksycoca is a symlink to /var/tmp/kdecache-user/ksycoca <cmvo> This symlink does not exist after a reboot, but gets created by kbuildsycoca. <cmvo> When the symlink is created admin mode works, when it is delete it does not. <Riddell> cmvo: wow <cmvo> When kded later detects a change in software (I don't know what kded is watching in detail) it runs kbuildsycoca which also creates the link. <Riddell> so get kdesu to create that link and we're sorted <cmvo> This could be an explanation why the problem is so erratic. Anytime kded runs kbuildsycoca admin mode begins to work until the next reboot. <Riddell> makes me wonder what deletes that symlink <Riddell> but it does sound like the sort of thing that could get deleted by various things which is why other distros would have occational problems too <cmvo> Isn't /tmp cleaned on any reboot? <Riddell> hmm, not sure <Riddell> but if it was then how come it works most of the time <cmvo> Its cleaned in /etc/init.d/bootclean.sh after $TMPTIME days. TMPTIME is 0 int /etc/default/rcS. <cmvo> s/int/in/ <Riddell> you're ahead of me :) <Riddell> I guess it works after reboot if there's been a good reason to run kbuildsycoca <Riddell> which explains why a fresh install or new user is fine since they will have had kbuildsycoca run <cmvo> Just searched to /tmp in init.d :-) <cmvo> s/to/for/ (I type too fast) <cmvo> Also kded runs kbuildsycoca when it delects new kde programs. Then admin mode also works until the next reboot. <cmvo> But I don't think it should be kdesu to create the link. Maybe kded is the better place. <cmvo> As a bandaid fix add: <cmvo> [General] <cmvo> CheckFileStamps=false <cmvo> to .kde/share/config/kdedrc then kbuildsycoca is run on every reboot. <cmvo> I don't know if /tmp/kde-user is a historic place for ksycoca. Maybe kdesu shouldn't pass it on in the first place. kdesu uses locateLocal() to create the tmp path. And this <cmvo> function disappears in the depth of KDE. Maybe it just searches /tmp before /var/tmp. <pef> arg <pef> someone knows ho to find all bugs assigned to Kubuntu team in Malone ? <JRe> pef: yes go to kubuntu-team page <JRe> pef: and click on the bugs menu entry (top of the page) <JRe> pef: https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+assignedbugs <pef> JRe: thank you :) <JRe> Riddell: if I make a patch to fix layout problems of systemsettings, is there any chance that it will be integrated into breezy-updates ? <Riddell> JRe: unlikely but it would be very welcome for dapper and kde 3.5 <Riddell> and it could go in breezy-backports if you ask mez <JRe> Riddell: ok I'll try to fix it <Riddell> cmvo: do you think that if we just patch kdesu to pass KDESYCOCA=/var/tmp/kdecache-user/ksycoca that would fix it? <cmvo> I've looked through kded.cpp maybe just changing the first parameter of locateLocal() from "tmp" to "cache" could fix it too. <cmvo> I just give it a try and look and see what parameter gets passed to kdesu_stub <cmvo> s/and see// <Riddell> _Tonio_: are you a motu? <_Tonio_> Riddell: no not yet ;) <_Tonio_> Riddell: I'm even not a member at the moment <Riddell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/k/ktranslator/0.3-0ubuntu1/ compiled <Riddell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/k/kinstaller/0.2-0ubuntu1/ compiled <Riddell> _Tonio_: are you on amd64? <_Tonio_> no.... jre is <_Tonio_> maybe he could try a pbuilder and tell us what about <Riddell> _Tonio_: then your pbuilder should be able to compile <_Tonio_> yep <JRe> yes I do may I test these packages _Tonio_ ? <_Tonio_> I'll test toonight <Riddell> amd64 is failing on evething <Riddell> I assume it's not KDE's fault <_Tonio_> JRe: you may find the sources on our repo.... same sources except a patch on the .desktop file <JRe> _Tonio_: k <_Tonio_> Riddell: if it works, I will start uploads this weekend.... <_Tonio_> I have plenty of packages to upload :) <Riddell> _Tonio_: uploads to revu? <_Tonio_> Riddell: yes <_Tonio_> about 12 packages I think, something like that <cmvo> Riddell: kdebase build still grinding along... <Riddell> I know that feeling <JRe> libreadline5: Depends: readline-common but it is not installed <Riddell> although you should be able to just cd obj-<tab>; cd kdesu; make; make install <JRe> (while running pbuilder create on amd64, dapper distrib) <JRe> Riddell: arg dapper debootstrap seem broken <cmvo> Riddell: cd obj... But only after the first build? (I still have a lot to learn about debs...) <Riddell> JRe: what's broken about it? <JRe> Riddell: does yours try to installreadline-common ? <Riddell> cmvo: run debuild until ./configure is done then you should be able to do that <JRe> Riddell: when I am trying to create the base.tgz it mess with libreadline5 <Riddell> cmvo: packages get built in obj-xx directory rather than in the source directory, keeps things tidy <Riddell> JRe: that's an amd64 problem, it's why nothing is compiling on amd64 <Riddell> JRe: tried making an i386 pbuilder? <JRe> Riddell: nop but I'm going to do that ;) <cmvo> Riddell: Is there a shortcut to create obj and the makefiles without a complete build? I tried ./configure, but should habe used the configure parameters from debian/rules. <Riddell> cmvo: run debuild <Riddell> once it gets to the compiling start stop it with control-c <Riddell> cd obj-<tab>; cd wherever; make <JRe> can it be noe with fakeroot debian/rules binary ? <JRe> ha no you need a partial rebuild <Riddell> debuild -nc will carry on the compile without cleaning it first <cmvo> Change kdesu.cpp line 300 to: QCString ksycoca = "KDESYCOCA="+QFil33ec:265c:71fe:e26d:2682:4ec2:aaa1:99abencodeName(locateLocal("cache", "ksycoca")); and kdesu passes /var/tmp/kdecache... to kdesu_stub (at least here :-) <Riddell> cmvo: rocking <Riddell> can you make a debdiff? <cmvo> try to :-) <cmvo> Riddell: What do you need, a debdiff of the source packages? <Riddell> cmvo: yes please <Riddell> debdiff foo-old.dsc foo-new.dsc <cmvo> Ok, it'll take a bit, have finish the build, to get the new dsc. Do I need to change the version in changelog to get a differently named file or just move the original source files out of the way so they don't get overwritten? <cmvo> Riddell: Do I need to change the version in changelog to get differently named files or just move the original source files out of the way so they don't get overwritten? <\sh> Riddell: how is the weather in montreal? <cmvo> \sh: It seems to be 5C and overcast :-) <_jpetso> ...ok, now for the newlyswitched ones <_jpetso> i'm trying to compile some autotools stuff that I had compiling on Gentoo before, and it doesn't work yet in Ubuntu <_jpetso> it says (extract): <_jpetso> configure.in: 8: automake requires `AM_PROG_LEX', not `AC_PROG_LEX' <_jpetso> automake: examples/fact/Makefile.am: lex source seen but `AC_DECL_YYTEXT' not in `configure.in' <jpetso> ...I hope no one has said something important? seems like I'm getting disconnected regularly... (which also wasn't the case in Gentoo, but hey) <\sh> jpetso: what did u try to compile and why? <jpetso> kdevelop-pg, the new parser generator for KDevelop, because I'm writing a grammar for it * jpetso is still here <\sh> jpetso: and how do you compile? looks like u have a wrong version auf autotools stuff <jpetso> I've got the breezy standard stuff <jpetso> \sh: ...and just tried installing automake1.9 additionally, don't help so far <jpetso> \sh: except automake --version still says 1.4 <\sh> jpetso: so u called aclocal-1.9 \n automake-1.9? <jpetso> \sh: I didn't, what does that do? <\sh> jpetso: the default version "aclocal/automake" is 1.4 <jpetso> yup <\sh> jpetso: to call 1.9 version u have to call aclocal-1.9 and automake-1.9 <Riddell> cmvo: dch -i to add a new changelog entry <jpetso> ok, seems logical <Riddell> \sh: slightly nippy but not freezing <jpetso> \sh: done, but automake --version still says 1.4 <\sh> jpetso: yes...because it's 1.4 and not 1.9 <\sh> Riddell: ok..good to have warm clothes with me <jpetso> \sh: ok...so how do I get 1.9 to be used by make -f Makefile.cvs <Riddell> jpetso: remove automake, install automake1.9 <Riddell> /usr/bin/automake just points to alternatives <jpetso> Riddell: remove like rm, or like in Adept? <\sh> jpetso: rm like rm ;) <Riddell> jpetso: adept :) <jpetso> ok... <Riddell> don't listen to \sh <\sh> lol <Riddell> especially when he tells you to rm -rf / <\sh> *grmpf* i never tell such stupid things <\sh> well...anyways...it's actually the wrong way <\sh> the right way is debootstrap a breezy or better dapper <\sh> and compile there <\sh> and create a real .deb package <jpetso> \sh: if I knew now what debootstrapping means, maybe <\sh> jpetso: everything to learn is on wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources ... there is a link to Debootstrap <Riddell> jpetso: ubw:DebootstrapChroot <jpetso> thanks <\sh> jpetso: just like installing gentoo from the installer iso with a clean HD <\sh> but much easier <\sh> jpetso: ubw: works only in konqueror... <jpetso> \sh: i knew that, i even knew i had replaced smth:bla with smth bla <\sh> need to find a way to implement this in ff, too <jpetso> Riddell, \sh: so cool, it worked! <cmvo> Riddell: Got to go. The build is still running, tried to continue it, but --nc implies -b, which means no source. So the diff has to wait till tomorrow. Cu! <Riddell> \sh_away: can you see Edit Emblem on https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team ? <Riddell> might be on one of the subpages * lamont looks for tomatoes to toss at Riddell <lamont> Riddell: Build-Depends: ..., g++-3.4 [ <lamont> arm m68k hppa] * lamont uploads kdenetwork <Riddell> lamont: what's the problem? <lamont> lack of build-depends kinda makes gcc-3.4 unusable... <lamont> see http://buildd.mmjgroup.com/buildLogs/k/kdenetwork/4\:3.4.3-0ubuntu1/kdenetwork_4\:3.4.3-0ubuntu1_20051028-1307-hppa-failed.gz <lamont> well, without the \ chars... <lamont> http://buildd.mmjgroup.com/buildLogs/k/kdenetwork/4:3.4.3-0ubuntu1/kdenetwork_4:3.4.3-0ubuntu1_20051028-1307-hppa-failed.gz <lamont> I uploaded a -0ubuntu2 with the build-dep above <Riddell> ah, oops, sorry <lamont> np #kubuntu-devel 2005-11-03 <_Tonio_> hi <Riddell> grr, kipi and kexif both have unnecessary c2 on theirlibraries <Riddell> in debian <\sh> we removed it during breezy cycle <Riddell> \sh: and debian added it back <\sh> grmpf <\sh> but why? the request to remove it came from a debian guy..because there is no c++ exported interface somehow <Riddell> * Change libkexifc2 package name to libkexif1c2 to match ubuntu <Riddell> also <Riddell> * Grab ubuntu gcc4_fixes.diff patch. Wish we would work together and <Riddell> not duplicate efforts <\sh> I think i have to forget about anything right now...my stomach turns, and i'm not even sitting in the plane yet <\sh> thx delta airlines <\sh> Riddell: see u in montreal later today :) * lamont points at http://buildd.mmjgroup.com/buildLogs/k/kdegames/4:3.4.3-0ubuntu1/kdegames_4:3.4.3-0ubuntu1_20051028-1946-hppa-failed.gz <lamont> and makes raspberry noises. <jpatrick> ? <cmvo> Riddell: ping <Riddell> hi cmvo <cmvo> Hi! I finaly got a usefull debdiff. I sent it to your ubuntu email address. <Riddell> great, thanks :) <Riddell> we just need to find some testers * hunger can test. <hunger> If you do not mind me testing on dapper with kde 3.5 beta that is. <Riddell> hunger: you'll have to recompile all of kdebase too <hunger> Riddell: That is not too stable here at the moment anyway... I don't mind doing that if it is painless. * hunger wonders what he volunteered for:-) <Riddell> hunger: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kdebase_3.4.3_0ubuntu5.debdiff <hunger> What do I do with a debdiff? <Riddell> you'llprobably need to just apply that by hand against 3.5 <Riddell> make sure you have 3.5 deb-src in sources.list <Riddell> apt-get source kdebase <Riddell> cd kdebase <Riddell> apply patch by hand <Riddell> apt-get build-dep kdebase && debuild <Riddell> go for walk <Riddell> cd .. <Riddell> dpkg --install kdebase-bin*deb <hunger> Riddell Sounds easy... <Riddell> hunger: do ou currenly have the admin problem?[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D <hunger> Riddell: Dunno. What is the admin problem? <jpatrick> hunger: the kdesu bug <jpatrick> hunger: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8681 <hunger_> Sorry... lost my connection. <hunger_> What is the admin problem? <Riddell> 18:08 < jpatrick> hunger: the kdesu bug <Riddell> 18:10 < jpatrick> hunger: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8681 <verwilst> hellow guys! <jpatrick> verwilst: hello <hunger_> I guess so... <Riddell> ** #ubz for conference discussion <jpatrick> anyone seen jjesse ? <hunger_> Works for me... <Riddell> not recently <hunger_> I do not have the kdesu bug (at least not for kdm). <Riddell> hunger: well if you want to compile them anyway that would be cool for giving to other people who are testing <jpatrick> I want to start on the docs <hunger_> Riddell: I can compile the stuff, no problem. <jpatrick> emailed him a week ago <amu> Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.org/~amu/kunterbuntu-livecd-3.5b2-i386-de-7.iso :) <hunger_> Riddell: Patch applies cleanly (apart from the changelog entry.) <Riddell> amu: ooh? what's on that? <Riddell> kunterbuntu sounds quite bad in english <verwilst> kunterbuntu? <Riddell> then again kubuntu sounds bad in portgese and malasian <amu> it breezy with 3.5b2, desktop comes without questions and just starts in german <hunger_> Riddell: Aehm... how was that build command again? <verwilst> (k)ubuntu already sounds strange for most people <verwilst> _always_ i hear "what? mobutu?" <Riddell> 18:05 < Riddell> make sure you have 3.5 deb-src in sources.list <Riddell> 18:05 < Riddell> apt-get source kdebase <Riddell> 18:05 < Riddell> cd kdebase <Riddell> 18:05 < Riddell> apply patch by hand <Riddell> 18:06 < Riddell> apt-get build-dep kdebase && debuild <Riddell> 18:06 < Riddell> go for walk <Riddell> 18:06 < Riddell> cd .. <Riddell> 18:06 < Riddell> dpkg --install kdebase-bin*deb <hunger_> Aehm... yes. <verwilst> Riddell, building kdelibs with debug ;) <verwilst> only added debug to the DEB_OPTION thingy <verwilst> and checking if it works <Riddell> amu: what does the name mean? <amu> something like : "all in a tumble"untu <hunger_> Wow... lots of builddebs on that one... <Riddell> amu: want me to announce it on kubuntu.org? <hunger_> Does fakeroot not work for building kde debs? <Riddell> hunger_: fakeroot is required <amu> Riddell: thx, no need, ... it's only an upgrade and the first image, i need some re: from the germans ... <hunger> Riddell: "fakeroot debuild" stops... <Riddell> hunger: just run debuild <Riddell> it should call fakeroot for you <hunger> Oh... always used dpkg-buildpackage so far. <hunger> OK, building. <Riddell> debuild calls dpkg-buildpackage but has some extra checks <amu> Riddell: makes more sense if i build in feature different isos with differents lang presetuped, the boot is much more faster, and if the desktop comes up without questions, looks much more better than before <Riddell> amu: how do you getit without questions? <amu> added it to "syslinux append <Riddell> clever <Riddell> we should adapt the gnome live cd scripts to kde <amu> allready done :) it works but not too smart :) <hunger> Riddell: Will kde 3.5beta make it into dapper soon? <amu> in generall i miss some error exceptions, and the cleanup isnt well done <Riddell> hunger: probably after the conference <Riddell> so week after next <hunger> Riddell: I am building with the dapper toolchain... might that cause problems with the other stuff that is breezy? <hunger> Riddell: Yeap, thought so already. <Riddell> hunger: yes it will <hunger> Riddell: So should I start with qt, kdelibs, ... <Riddell> hunger: no, use a breezy chroot <hunger> Riddell: Riddell: Nah... I do not have the hdd space for that. <hunger> Riddell: This is a tiny little laptop I got here. * amu goes into weekend happy hacking! * hunger stops the build. No use building something that is known to not work:-( <verwilst> 20M kdelibs4c2-dbg_3.4.92-0ubuntu2_i386.deb <cmvo> Got to go. Cuagn <verwilst> cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde3/kcm_konsole.la': No such file or directory <verwilst> dh_install: command returned error code 256 <verwilst> any idea? :$ <verwilst> kdebase :$ <Riddell> verwilst: what sources? <jpatrick> kdebase i guess <Riddell> but which version <Riddell> and compiled on what <Riddell> .la files can usually be ignored <jpatrick> what are .la's? <jpatrick> libtool library files? <Riddell> libtool thingies <verwilst> Riddell, 3.5beta2 <verwilst> just apt-get sourced it <verwilst> added debug to debian/rules <verwilst> and debuild <verwilst> and it gives me this error near the end :( <Riddell> verwilst: remove that files from debian/*install <Riddell> debuild -nc to restart <Riddell> without clearing <verwilst> but why doesn't the non-debug install complain? <verwilst> hehe i know ;) <verwilst> already doing that <Riddell> what should I talk about in my kubuntu talk? <jpatrick> Kubuntu Forums <Riddell> what to say about them? <jpatrick> :| <Riddell> I should just make a straight line with my mout? <Riddell> mouth <Riddell> Mez: new k3b out <Riddell> hi CaiN_SA, where are you? <CaiN_SA> in the hotel :) <Riddell> but where? it's a big hotel <CaiN_CaN> lol <CaiN_CaN> room 504 <Riddell> anything exciting happening up there? <CaiN_CaN> you ? <CaiN_CaN> nope <CaiN_CaN> where you now ? <Riddell> in my room, 332, trying to think what to say in my talk <CaiN_CaN> ah ok <CaiN_CaN> you sitting in your room / <CaiN_CaN> ? <Riddell> yes <CaiN_CaN> ah ok <Riddell> come down and tell me what to say <CaiN_CaN> you went round town yet ? <CaiN_CaN> lol kk <CaiN_CaN> ross is rubbish talker <CaiN_CaN> he will :P <CaiN_CaN> be there in little while * jpatrick can't download the new K3b source <Riddell> Mez: what' happening with backports? <Riddell> jpatrick: hmm, it's not on the download page <CaiN_CaN> k comming Riddell <verwilst> cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde3/kcm_konsole.so': No such file or directory <verwilst> wtf <verwilst> bleh how come these files aren't there? :( <verwilst> btw is there a deb for kdevelop 3.3beta2? ;) <Sime> That was strange. I had trouble running Adept. First it complained about not being able to talk to the DCOP server, and then <Sime> Adept appeared with the wrong widget style. I turned it off. Ran kbuildsyscoa, and tried again. Then everything went ok. <Sime> ksyscoca problem in breezy?? <Riddell> kdesu maybe <Riddell> Sime: can you run kcontrol modules as admin? <Sime> Riddell: don't think so. A ksudo dialog didn't appear.... <Sime> Riddell: system services just worked normally. Users&Group didn't... <Sime> Riddell: ok, now User&Groups is working too. <Riddell> spooky #kubuntu-devel 2005-11-04 <Riddell> sebas: about? <lamont> Riddell: kdemultimedia_4:3.4.3-0ubuntu1 needs hppa/gcc-3.4 love <Riddell> lamont: anything else? <lamont> swingwt and inkscape need debian-live <lamont> s/live/live/ <lamont> gah. love <lamont> that is, the correct place to fix them is in debian, since we have their version <lamont> other than that, we're either dep-waited or built/failing for other reasons <lamont> kdegames_4:3.4.3-0ubuntu1 kdepim_4:3.4.3-0ubuntu2 kdeutils_4:3.4.3-0ubuntu1 are all FTBFS <Riddell> kdegames should be fixed in ubuntu2 <Riddell> not sue if it's worth fixing more since I'll upload kde 3.5 before too long <lamont> yeah, no great pain. <seth_k> Riddell, does dapper have 3.5b2 or do I need to keep a 3.5b2 repo in my sources.list before moving to dapper? <lamont> not sure how many things build-dep kdemultimedia <Riddell> seth_k: it doesn't have 3.5b2 <Riddell> that's for after the conference <seth_k> Okay, thanks Riddell. I'll just add in the Breezy 3.5b2 then <Riddell> bah, where's the marketing team when you need them <lamont> Riddell: kdemultimedia is annoyed abouyt automake 1.9.6 vs 1.9.5. kthxbye <pef> hello <_Tonio_> hi <Sime> anyone here know what the preferred way of putting an image in a blog post on kdedevelopers.org is? <jpatrick> OculusAquilae: ping <OculusAquilae> hi jpatrick <jpatrick> OculusAquilae: I need help with my .deb package building <OculusAquilae> hm <jpatrick> OculusAquilae: I got this at the end: gpg: skipped "Jonathan Patrick Davies <emily84@example.com>": secret key not available <jpatrick> When I have one <OculusAquilae> what have you used to build the package? <jpatrick> dh_make then dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot <OculusAquilae> do you need to sign it? <jpatrick> dunno <jpatrick> (first package) <OculusAquilae> the problem is that i haven't made many packages too <OculusAquilae> try to not sign it and try again <jpatrick> I didn't sign it <OculusAquilae> you can deactivate it, it does it automatically <jpatrick> I have the .deb file <jpatrick> and four other files <OculusAquilae> then try to give it the key number <jpatrick> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -kSOMEKEY ? <OculusAquilae> yes <jpatrick> If the package is for universe <jpatrick> never mind * jpatrick remakes <jpatrick> At the end now: dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source <jpatrick> I think it worked <OculusAquilae> hm <jpatrick> Now to find the real depencies <pef> someone knows a tools like kodos to play with qt regexps ? <Riddell> kregexp editor? <Riddell> I don't know what kodos is <jpatrick> Riddell: can you review my package? :) <Riddell> jpatrick: sortae busy in conference just now <jpatrick> Riddell: right <Riddell> jpatrick: where is it? <Riddell> incidently poking me on IRC for package reviews is definatly the right thing to do, listen _Tonio_ :) * jpatrick wonders where to upload it <jpatrick> I suppose depending on kdebase is weak <Riddell> what's it a package of? <jpatrick> KFTPGrabber <Riddell> hmm, don't we already have that on revu? <jpatrick> do we? <Riddell> not sure <jpatrick> for Dapper? <Riddell> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=651 <Riddell> for whenever it gets reviewed and uploaded <jpatrick> right <\sh> Riddell: uploading new version of pykde * jpatrick wonders on what to work on <_Tonio_> Riddell: listened ;) <_Tonio_> I'm uploading on revu toonight..... <_Tonio_> many, many packages <_Tonio_> Riddell: about ktvschedule, you told me that you are prompted for an xml file, that is normal <_Tonio_> the problem is that ktvschedule is a frontend to various xml channels list <_Tonio_> so Idon't know if it is better to put them as recommends or depends...... <_Tonio_> Riddell: what would you do ? <Riddell> jpat|away: upload your kftpgrabber package somewhere anyway, it might well have useful stuff that can be merged <Riddell> _Tonio_: how does one get an xml channel list? <pef> Riddell: hello Jonathan <Riddell> if the first thing the application does it puts up an error message that's really not very friendly <Riddell> hi pef <pef> Riddell: do you know a tool like kodos for playing with qt regexp ? <Riddell> pef: I don't know what kodos is <Riddell> but kregexp editor lets you play with regexps <pef> Riddell: I don't find it very user friendly <_Tonio_> Riddell: via xmltv for example <Riddell> is kodos windows only? <_Tonio_> ktvschedule is a frontend for various software like this one.... <_Tonio_> the problem is that I can't put one especially as a dependance <Riddell> _Tonio_: if that's how the app is expected to work then groovy, but upstream needs poked with a usability stick <_Tonio_> i agree <_Tonio_> it would be better to tell people that xml file is missing and give the possibility to create it <_Tonio_> I'll send an email for this <jpatrick> back <Riddell> _Tonio_: ok, just put a note on revu as well saying that's how it's ment to run <_Tonio_> Riddell: I can't add notes to revu ;) <_Tonio_> Riddell: not a motu yet <_Tonio_> http://www.pcinpact.com/actu/news/Apres_GTA_Rockstar_nen_finit_pas_avec_les_critique.htm?vc=1 <_Tonio_> oups bad window sorry.... <jpatrick> I need to improve my French... <_Tonio_> jpatrick: that was for another channel ;) <hunger> konqui does not like copying files > 2GB. <hunger> once it reaches 2GB it jumps to 100% completed and claims that it copied 16Mio TB while keeping up the copying. <hunger> It does work, the feedback is utter nonsense though. <jpatrick> Riddell: package and thingies @ http://www.whoiam55.at.preempted.net/public/jpatrick/ <Riddell> jpatrick: thanks, I'll try and get them reviewed soon <jpatrick> Riddell: thank you <\sh> Riddell: i386, ppc, ia64 is just compiled for the whole python kde chain...but not on amd64...need to wait for infinity or lamont <Riddell> amd64 seems to have had issues <Riddell> \sh: I take it that uploading KDE 3.5 is going to break pykde? <\sh> Riddell: think so <\sh> it will break pyqt as well <\sh> Riddell: what is the url for amarok 1.3.5 on kubuntu? <\sh> Riddell: got it.... <Riddell> \sh: kubuntu.org :) <Riddell> \sh: but that's just a quick package, it needs to be synced with debian and have libvisual added as I say <\sh> Riddell: yeah... <\sh> well...I need some rest first...I just fixed pykde deps..and uploaded pykdeextensions 0.4.0 <\sh> or I need a beer ,) <Tm_T> 24 beers in the cooler.... <Tm_T> 23 beers in the coolerr <Tm_T> 13 bress thinne cloorerr <Tm_T> ;) <\sh> Tm_T: hee..switching to kubuntu desktop now <Tm_T> away nick :( <\sh> back #kubuntu-devel 2005-11-05 <Tm_T> hmh, seems like kdevelop is quite broken <lexhider> Riddell: are you there? <Riddell> lexhider: hi <lexhider> can I make a small suggestion regarding kubuntu-desktop packaging <Riddell> lexhider: of course <lexhider> the suggestion is to handle kaffeine dependency like ubuntu-desktop handles totem. instead of depending on totem-gstreamer, ubuntu-desktop depends on totem which depend on "totem-gstreamer | totem-xine". This means if you remove totem-gstreamer and install totem-xine, aptitude doesn't complain about ubuntu-desktop having broken dependencies. <lexhider> So if I try to remove kaffeine-gstreamer and install kaffeine-xine, it breaks dependencies for kubuntu-desktop <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/default-package-groups should help that problem in general <Riddell> I think totem is packaged so that totem-gstramer and totem-xine are both complete totem packages <Riddell> whereas kaffeine-xine only contains the xine plugin <Riddell> I guess we could change that <Lathiat> Riddell: yeh thats correct <Lathiat> i think its more totem is compiled with xine <Lathiat> and kaffeine has plugins <Lathiat> kaffeine still crashes far too much tho :( <Lathiat> i wonder if the new amarok is any better <Lathiat> mine dies every few hours <lexhider> Riddell: oh, just realized that kaffeine-xine & kaffeine-gstreamer are installable side by side. <Lathiat> lexhider: right, you have to goto configure and choose the plugin <_Tonio_> hi <jpatrick> someone working on the lastest smb4k? <_Tonio_> jpatrick: when was the tarball released ? <_Tonio_> I can add it to my toonight todo list ;) <jpatrick> _Tonio_: I'm working on it :P <_Tonio_> ah okay ;) <_Tonio_> that's a good news, because I have so many packages to do ...... <_Tonio_> anyway, jpatrick are you able to build packages with a dapper pbuilder ? <_Tonio_> none of them are working for me..... <jpatrick> ... <_Tonio_> kdelibs4-dev dependancies issue... <_Tonio_> never saw this ? <jpatrick> no <_Tonio_> this is a known problem, but I'd like to know if that fails on any packages or only a few.... <_Tonio_> jpatrick: okay thanks... <_Tonio_> I'll test on other packages <jpatrick> I think I've got the debian/* files right... <_Tonio_> jpatrick: in the dependancies, do you use kdelibs-dev, or kdelibs4-dev ? <_Tonio_> I think my problem comes from here <_Tonio_> impossible to get kdelibs4-dev installed..... <jpatrick> I'm a new packager... <jpatrick> I have kdelibs4-dev installed <_Tonio_> okay <_Tonio_> on breezy, but on dapper ? are you using pbuilder ? <_Tonio_> I have no pb building on breezy ;) <jpatrick> Dapper <_Tonio_> the problem is in pbuilder only <_Tonio_> sounds amazing.... * jpatrick starts building package <_Tonio_> here's what I get : <_Tonio_> jpatrick: yes but anyway, whereas you start or are a veteran, the fact is that you have installed kdelibs4-dev ;) <_Tonio_> I get that : <_Tonio_> The following packages have unmet dependencies: <_Tonio_> kdelibs4-dev: Depends: libssl-dev but it is not going to be installed <_Tonio_> E: Broken packages <_Tonio_> E: Could not satisfy build-dependency. <jpatrick> odd <jpatrick> Maybe it's cos I have KDE 3.5 B2 <_Tonio_> jpatrick: so you are not using pbuilder ? <jpatrick> not yet <_Tonio_> that's the reason :) <_Tonio_> anyway, because you told me you where new packager, did you use uupdate to build smb4k ? <jpatrick> no <_Tonio_> it is recommended when updating an already existing package... <_Tonio_> it is clean and helps you earnin time <jpatrick> Okay I'll look for something on it <_Tonio_> what you should do is simply download the actual sources with apt-get source smb4k <_Tonio_> download the new tarball <_Tonio_> and check on google the way to create the new source package using uupdate ;) <jpatrick> apt-get source smb4k... <jpatrick> now I have a .dsc, .diff.gz and a tarball <jpatrick> and a folder <_Tonio_> yes <jpatrick> I found something on it <_Tonio_> so now place the new tarball in the same folder than the .dsc file <_Tonio_> .tar.gz format in case it is a .tar.bz2 <jpatrick> uupdate: command not found <_Tonio_> install it ;) <_Tonio_> then go in the smk4k folder and launch a "uupdate -u nameofthenewtarball.tar.gz" <jpatrick> E: Couldn't find package uupdate <_Tonio_> that should do the work <_Tonio_> jpatrick: apt-file search uupdate <_Tonio_> jpatrick: sudo apt-get install devscripts <jpatrick> prefect <jpatrick> _Tonio_: I think it worked.. <seaLne> _Tonio_: what is the difference between uupdate and zcat foo.diff|patch -p1 ? <jpatrick> I have a new smb4k-0.6.4 dir <_Tonio_> dunno, I always use uupdate ;) <jpatrick> yep it worked <_Tonio_> yes, you just have to modify the files a bit <jpatrick> I have to change the Maintainer name to me? <seaLne> _Tonio_: ah it looks like you don't have to extract the new tarball but apart from that dose exactly the same thing <jpatrick> PS smb4k (0.6.4-1ubuntu1) breezy; urgency=low - should that be dapper? <_Tonio_> seaLne: okay, maybe the uupdate script uses zcat <_Tonio_> it is only a script so it may use other tools <seaLne> ah seems to do a bit more <_Tonio_> i never looked, i just know that works great, and helps earning time :) <_Tonio_> doesn't it test the patches to see if they are still applyable, or something like like ? * jpatrick packages <mornfall> Riddell: ping <mornfall> Riddell: (i updated the feature plan on web.ekhis.org/adept.html) <mornfall> anyone else with comments is welcome to state them :) <mornfall> oh, and also, what's up with FindingPackages? <mornfall> it's sort of, uh-oh... <amu> mornfall: people complain about adapt, that i removed and replaced it it synaptic, sorry about that <mornfall> hmm? <mornfall> i am not sure what you mean <amu> people complained, that this adapt isnt useable :) <mornfall> which people <mornfall> where <amu> #kubuntu-de <amu> kubuntu forum .... <jpatrick> _Tonio_: done <amu> my working friends <_Tonio_> mornfall: may I suggest something for the next version of adept ? <mornfall> yes? <jpatrick> the main Kubuntu Forums has some good remarks about Adept <_Tonio_> I think that a proxy configuration wizzard would be nice <_Tonio_> synaptic has that function, and that can be pretty usefull <_Tonio_> even if not a wizzard, simply in adept's options... <mornfall> on software support, all i found so far is complaints about kdesu breakage <mornfall> _Tonio_: i'd say using kde proxy settings should do? <_Tonio_> hum.... didn't test <_Tonio_> mornfall: you mean konq proxy ? <mornfall> _Tonio_: it doesn't do that atm... it only picks up envvars so far <_Tonio_> mornfall: there is a possibility to configa proxy in apt.conf.... but maybe there is another possibility, I don't know <mornfall> _Tonio_: but as a feature, i'd say using konq proxy should do <mornfall> i'll think about it <_Tonio_> okay <mornfall> maybe you could make a bugs.kde.org entry for me so i don't forget? :) <_Tonio_> no problem, I'll do toonight <_Tonio_> also, would you like new icons for version 2.0 or are you fine with those ones ? <mornfall> _Tonio_: if someone makes better, why not <mornfall> _Tonio_: noone did so far though <mornfall> "adept is growing on me" -- how am i supposed to parse that? <_Tonio_> I did the actual ones, so maybe I try to improve them a bit <mornfall> ah, you mean the application icons <_Tonio_> the crystal effect is not perfect... <mornfall> yeah, why not <_Tonio_> mornfall: yep <mornfall> i was thinking action icons here :) <_Tonio_> ah okay ;) <_Tonio_> also, I'd be interessted in he french translation when the gmo file is available... <mornfall> yes, i18n is planned for 2.0 <_Tonio_> will it go in launchpad or simply kde i18n for translation ? <mornfall> no idea, i guess kde i18n <mornfall> we'll see <_Tonio_> okay, I'll check around <mornfall> can someone point me at the adept remarks on kubuntu forums? <mornfall> i can't seem to find them <jpatrick> which one? <mornfall> [12:49:42] < jpatrick> the main Kubuntu Forums has some good remarks about Adept <mornfall> url would probably help :-) <jpatrick> they're a whole bunch of Adept threads :) <mornfall> yeah, but nothing too useful <apokryphos> a few random thoughts on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=84126 too <mornfall> there are some full/safe upgrade questions -- which will be solved once the manual is done, mostly <mornfall> and one keep question, same solution <jpatrick> Adept should say what extra packages it will install... <apokryphos> some thoughts myself: most of my beef is with the general UI, really; I find it really problematic; but I see that's going to be worked on, which sounds really promising :). Anything else just seems to be ways in which it's lacking slightly in comparison to synaptic <mornfall> apokryphos: you don't like the split, right? <apokryphos> that's one thing, yes <mornfall> jpatrick: there's a huge "preview changes" button *sigh* <mornfall> apokryphos: and you suggest what instead? <mornfall> (i forgot) <jpatrick> mornfall: Kynaptic pops up a box <mornfall> popups are sort of obnoxious <mornfall> but well, i guess showing a preview by default and having an option to disable that will have to do <apokryphos> others: managed repositories embedded seems odd, I think there should be the traditional kde Settings -> Configure Adept <apokryphos> personally I think it looks really bad to have *all* the search options right there. And it looks messy if you minimise it a bit. The average end-user (over 95% of them) are just looking for a package keword <apokryphos> an advanced search should be an extra option <mornfall> as for 11) from the above post, that's a no-go <apokryphos> (note I still think there should be a simple dynamic search available) <mornfall> dynamic search meaning? <amu> mornfall: i'll collect the users feedback and forward it to you * mornfall notes it's -impossible- to please everyone <mornfall> amu: thanks <apokryphos> minor thing: "Reset Filter" should be replaced by that button things like Konq etc. use, no? <apokryphos> (in Konqueror, next to "Location" URL toolbar) <mornfall> apokryphos: and how would that exactly mesh with checkboxes? <mornfall> or comboboxes <apokryphos> mesh? I don't think it would be a problem, would it? <mornfall> try to imagine how it will look... it'll be pretty hard to figure what it is supposed to do <apokryphos> I don't see why; seems fairly standard in kde <mornfall> yeah, in front of a lineedit <mornfall> i have never ever seen it anywhere else <mornfall> now think of: <mornfall> x> <label> <combo> <label> <combo> <mornfall> <label> <combo> <label> <combo> <mornfall> what does that do? <mornfall> (the x> there) <apokryphos> it's in many other places; other one that comes to mind is khelpcenter <apokryphos> not a programmer, so I don't see any problem <apokryphos> though that could perhaps be another pro for the top/down design :P <mornfall> from user point of view <apokryphos> s/pro/con/ <mornfall> what top/down design? <mornfall> top/down design is a methodology for designing systems :) <apokryphos> from the user point of view I see absolutely no problem with taking away "Reset Filter" and replacing with the x> and putting it to the right of the text-box <apokryphos> if I was making a html page, that's how I'd do it <mornfall> hmm, no <mornfall> damn :) <mornfall> right of the text-box? <apokryphos> whoops, left, I mean <mornfall> it sort of looks like it will remove the filter then :) <apokryphos> not at all; I think it's reasonably clear what removes the filter there <mornfall> it would confuse *me* <apokryphos> because (i) the title encompassesx that whole area; (ii) the whole area has light blue; (iii) dark blue showing the whole thing that the combobox would take out <mornfall> well, if i wouldn't know beforehand, that is :) <mornfall> i will think about it... but, but... i'm still unconvinced <mornfall> what's wrong with reset filter? <apokryphos> the x> should only take the size of the given text-box <apokryphos> so I think it would be hard to presuppose that it would collapse that whole section <apokryphos> it looks tacky :D. I get the same feeling when people overdo html buttons <apokryphos> another issue I just thought of: in Manage Repositories, why the big buttons? <apokryphos> goes against general other kde-ness <pef> hello <apokryphos> wow, maybe I could be the champion knight of kde. 8) <apokryphos> (just seems to me that most buttons in kde things tend to not span the whole of the bottom) <mornfall> yeah, that's true <mornfall> i was sort of time-constrained making that repository manager :) <apokryphos> mornfall: should note that with the whole x> I was referring to the "Quick Filter" only <mornfall> apokryphos: that would make it inconsistent! <apokryphos> just realised that the others have "Reset Filter" buttons, where it wouldn't be as appropriate to have the x> <apokryphos> Yup; is a problem <mornfall> that's what i was arguing about all the time <mornfall> bah :P <apokryphos> =) <mornfall> so now give me a solution =) <apokryphos> I think it's nearly as bad having three buttons doing the same thing, though <apokryphos> (I know this is only when they're all expanded, but nevertheless) <apokryphos> ok...... they don't entirely; since they apply to their respective selection <mornfall> ooh <mornfall> context menu? :-) <apokryphos> mornfall: how was it handled in the alpha? <mornfall> apokryphos: alpha was a small usability nightmare compared to beta =) <apokryphos> I know; just
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