#ubuntu-community-team 2010-07-01 <czajkowski> whoo made it home <jono> doctormo, ping? <nhandler> How was it czajkowski ? <czajkowski> windy and raining heavily <czajkowski> behind one large truck for about 4 miles in lashing rain <czajkowski> most fliupping annoying <nhandler> czajkowski: I meant the Ubuntu Hour ;) <czajkowski> oh right <czajkowski> that was a good fun <czajkowski> took pics <czajkowski> one of the lads brought his wife and kids along <nhandler> czajkowski: Sounds fun. Have you uploaded the pics yet? <czajkowski> one of the guys luisbg is moving back to spain so wont see him again <czajkowski> and the two masters students doing their thesis on Ubuntu came along <czajkowski> nhandler: nope <nhandler> czajkowski: Weren't you doing something with those 2 students? <czajkowski> yup <czajkowski> educating them in ubuntu <czajkowski> so one brought along a questionaire <czajkowski> the other wanted to meet people <czajkowski> nhandler: jono seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColombianTeam/TeamReApproval2010 what a wiki page <jono> wow! <jono> so awesome :) <czajkowski> yup * czajkowski hugs jono nice work on getting the tag chat going <czajkowski> thank you <nhandler> czajkowski: Oh yeah, put Ubuntu Chicago to shame with that ;) <doctormo> jono: pong <czajkowski> right folks calling it a night <czajkowski> catch you all tomorrow <doctormo> night czajkowski <nhandler> Night czajkowski <jono> czajkowski, :) <jono> doctormo, hey, you have an M-Audio Fast Track Pro? <jono> I saw https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/569932 <doctormo> jono: I do <ubot2> Launchpad bug 569932 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "M-audio fast-track pro: Missing input device (affects: 3) (heat: 76)" [Low,In progress] <jono> doctormo, how does it work in Lucid? <jono> specifically the S/PDIF <jono> specifically the S/PDIF in <doctormo> jono: Needed a patch to get it working <jono> (I just bought one) <doctormo> in lucid <jono> right <jono> does the S/PDIF work? <doctormo> jono: I don't actually know if I can test that, do you mean S/PDIF into the Fast track and then out to computer via usb? <doctormo> I can't imagine it wouldn't work though so long as the patch is there: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/48319012/draft.patch <doctormo> jono: Now you can riddle me this, what did you think of this: http://doctormo.deviantart.com/#/d2ssfnz <jono> doctormo, I want to bring an S/PDIF input into the Fast Track via the S/PDIF in <jono> I am getting my studio in better shape for my videocasts and the live severed fifth recording <jono> that image is awesome doctormo <jono> doctormo, is that patch merged into maverick or in a Lucid PPA? <jono> or it is a config file patch <jono> easy <jono> I sure hope the S/PDIF works <jono> then I don't need windows <jono> biab <doctormo> jono: Let me know if it works, although that patch was rejected by the upstream because it's a hack (technically speaking) it assumes you have a single audio device in the original configuration and assumes you may have a prior device in the patched version. What it should do of course is not have that configuration at all, the code should be made to detect the m-audio alsa device properly. <jono> doctormo, so the patched version assumes the m-audio overrides the system sound card? <doctormo> jono: No, it won't apply m-audio config if it's not an m-audio, it just expands the existing hack to check two slots. <jono> doctormo, oh so it means you can use both the m-audio and the existing sound card? <doctormo> jono: I have been able to, I output to my normal sound card when I do midi work and input work. <doctormo> YMMV <jono> doctormo, right, can see see the S/PDIF In as an input? <doctormo> jono: Are you having trouble seeing it? <jono> doctormo, he card hasnt arrived yet <jono> I am just getting my expectations set <jono> can you see it? <doctormo> jono: Mine isn't a card, it's a block connected via usb. M-Audio FastTrack Pro <jono> I mean that <jono> I meant sound card <jono> the only thing I care about is that I can see the s/pdif in ustream <doctormo> What would it look like? <doctormo> Imagine your talking with someone that treats audio like a mystic force and only knows how to do Jack because I wrote the steps down. <jono> doctormo, it is an orange socket that says Digital In I think <jono> what inputs are listed in the sound preferences when it is plugged in? <doctormo> jono: Yes it has that, it says S/PDIF > Out / In (there are two orange connectors) <doctormo> jono: There is "FastTrack Pro Analog Stereo Channel A" input and "FastTrack Pro Analog Stereo Channel A" and "FastTrack Pro Analog Stereo Channel B" outputs. <jono> doctormo, can you test which socket matches which input? <jono> I reckon it is "FastTrack Pro Analog Stereo Channel A" <doctormo> jono: I have no s/pdif output devices and no cables. Is there a way I can test it otherwise? Channel A works for the Microphone I plug into the Mic/Inst <jono> is Channel A or Channel A Analogue? <doctormo> jono: http://imagebin.ca/view/J_yDiXN.html <jono> doctormo, what options are in the Connector drop down <jono> when the fast track is selected <doctormo> jono: It disappears when selecting the FastTrack. <jono> I think you said there were other inputs? <doctormo> Those were outputs. <jono> A, Analogue A, and B <jono> ahh <jono> so there is only one input working <doctormo> Well, that only appears with the patch, without it it's a rather amusing zero inputs. <doctormo> I have no idea if this is because of pulse audio or alsa, both are irrational with this device. <jono> dammit <nigelb> morning folks :) <doctormo> jono: Will it be a waste or will you try and convince some of the devels to work on the problem? <nigelb> doctormo: audio? <nhandler> doctormo: Not that many audio devs in the community, and I bet crimsun is pretty busy ;) <nigelb> luke should be aroud now <doctormo> nhandler: Quick does anyone know any multi-millionaire audiophiles! We need an audio team stat. <nigelb> doctormo: TheMuso in #ubuntu-desktop might be able to help you <jono> doctormo, I will probably just report a bug and hope someone can work on it <doctormo> jono: Noone you know who does this sort of thing? <nigelb> doctormo: err, audio right? Luke aka TheMuso <nigelb> crimsun has withdrawn from most development related stuff lately <jono> doctormo, well, I don't know if it is an integration issue or a driver problem <doctormo> nigelb: Surely the entire Ubuntu community must consist of more than one audio dev, either that or we need to get out our tranquilizers and go hunting in #alsa. <doctormo> jono: I should be able to see more than one input on alsa if it's a config issue <jono> doctormo, not neccessarily, the drive might now expose all inputs <doctormo> Certainly looks like it doesn't > pcmC1D0p pcmC1D1c pcmC1D1p is all I get. <jono> doctormo, then it must be a driver issue <nigelb> doctormo: sadly, audio is not some place we have lots of devs <nigelb> crimsun was our pillar for so long :) <dpm> good morning all <nigelb> morning dpm :) <dpm> hey nigelb :) <nigelb> whoa its early! I haven't even had my coffee and you're up for work already! <dpm> :) <nigelb> and my TZ is ahead of you <dpm> how are you doing today, apart from not having had the coffe? :-) <nigelb> From the looks of it today is going to be a *loooong* day <nigelb> I'm struggling to understand a framework on whcih I'm supposed to write code in <dpm> I'm sure you like challenges... :) <nigelb> of course! I'm the one who convinced everyone that we should use this framework :) <dholbach> good morning <dpm> morning dholbach! <dholbach> hey dpm <nigelb> dholbach: good morning! <dholbach> hey nigelb <dholbach> hola ara <ara> morning dholbach * dholbach takes the dog to the vet <czajkowski> morning <AlanBell> hi <nigelb> hello czajkowski, AlanBell :) <czajkowski> nigelb: hi <nigelb> you folks having a good day? <czajkowski> so far so good * AlanBell says meh to month end stuff <nigelb> AlanBell: new month has been awesome with 2 new people joining our company and we moved 2 systems to ubuntu this week :) <AlanBell> that is great <nigelb> we'll eventually go all out for developers :) <AlanBell> I just want someone to take all the financial stuff away <nigelb> heh <nigelb> jcastro: did you do anythig about the results of "talk to lucas about submittodebian"? <nigelb> Also, what is the outcome of exploring code review UI for patches? (you've marked it as done) <jcastro> nigelb: the submittodebian bits discussion happened on the mailing list instead (motu) <jcastro> and the bugs team has punted the code review for patches for this cycle. <jcastro> sorry, the lp tasks aren't clear <jcastro> they weren't for getting each feature done in lp, it was for a work analysis of what we wanted from the lp team <jcastro> so they're all marked done even though we don't get everything we want <jcastro> the short story on the review bits is "everyone wants them, but it's alot of work, so next time" <jcastro> once I get debian 2 way import/export in lp I'll be more than happy to let you whine at them for your feature. :D <jcastro> I've been waiting like 3 years, heh <jcastro> nigelb: hmm, perhaps I should get one of them to blog their plans <jcastro> so it's clear what they're working on <jcastro> jono: when you plug in your kindle to your ubuntu box does it think it's an mp3 player? (though everything works just fine) <nigelb> jcastro: thank you :) <jono> jcastro, no, it just shows nautilus <nigelb> the code review would have been awesome ;) <jcastro> nigelb: they love the idea, it's just something they can bust out right away. <jcastro> er, it's NOT something they can just bust out right away is what I meant. <nigelb> heh <nigelb> I should bribe jml into giving me some beginner lessions on hacking launchpad :) <jcastro> no! <jcastro> stay here with us! <nigelb> hahaha <nigelb> jcastro: I'm a web developer by trade, I'm just gravitating towards my area of expertise :p <jcastro> heh <dholbach> jono: heya - if you could re-blog UDW at some stage, I'd appreciate it :-D <jono> dholbach, will do today <dholbach> thanks a bunch <nigelb> dholbach: don't bang on that <dholbach> nigelb: eh? <nigelb> I asked jono to blog about cleansweep ages back and he still hasn't done it :p <vish> nigelb: i need jono too : <jcastro> I asked jono for a pony! <dholbach> jcastro: sometimes it's really tough working for Jono <dholbach> all those disappointments and setbacks <jono> ll <jono> lol <jcastro> I have a hard time respecting someone who uses triggers <jono> haha <nigelb> jcastro: triggers? <jcastro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bass_drum <nigelb> jcastro: ah, LOL <nigelb> later folks, I'm off for the day :) <dholbach> have a great rest of your day, nigelb <nigelb> dholbach: Just finished 12.5 montgomeryrobert@example.net. I feel brain-dead * dholbach hugs nigelb * nigelb hugs dholbach :) <dholbach> :) <dholbach> jcastro: I'll massage abentley's comments into the wiki page <dholbach> jcastro: anything else you think we should be doing? <dpm> ok, I might have to send a couple of e-mails, but I'm officially off. See you all in a week! * dpm hugs everyone * dholbach hugs dpm <dholbach> dpm: enjoy your holidays <dpm> thanks dholbach, I'll definitely will :) <dholbach> thought so :) <jcastro> dholbach: I have some questions about prefixes, but it can wait until tomorrow <dholbach> prefixes? <jcastro> dholbach: yeah so like let's say someone wants Qt nightlies <jcastro> but doesn't want to overwrite their existing release <dholbach> yeah <jcastro> say the person wants it in /opt or something else instead so they don't have to downgrade the universe when it blows up <jcastro> that was my only question <dholbach> we shouldn't do /opt <dholbach> stuff can't link properly and stuff <jcastro> wherever <dholbach> so Qt would not work for them at all <dholbach> the only thing they can do and need to do is get the versioning right <jcastro> I don't think it will matter too much where it would actually go as long as it doesn't blow up existing packages <dholbach> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/BuildingASourcePackage#versioning * jcastro nods <dholbach> ok my friends, calling it a day <dholbach> see you tomorrow! <nhandler> Bye dholbach <dholbach> bye nhandler <dinda> http://guadec.org/index.php/guadec/2010/schedConf/training GNOME Developer training - nice! <jcastro> jono: call today? <jono> call? <jcastro> jono: you meantioned yesterday that you wanted a 1 on 1 today to catch up <jcastro> but I can give you the 2 second update on irc if you want <jono> jcastro, sure, lets do it here <jono> unless you want a call? <jcastro> doesn't matter to me <jono> lets do it here <jcastro> ok <jcastro> - indicator-appmenu and appmenu-gtk ready to go today, seb is packaging tomorrow (ken on holiday) <jcastro> - uds content sent to you <jcastro> - working with lp and daniel on daily builds stuff, which hits edge on monday, we're having a call with them tomorrow <jcastro> - finishing up party and GUADEC stuff (catch up with cezz tomorrow) <jcastro> we're going to do usb keys for UNE for guadec so people can install on the fly, and the party on wednesday <jcastro> that's all I've got! <jcastro> no outstanding actions afaik <jono> jcastro, sounds perfect <jono> A2 is pretty much squared away apart from me blogging daily builds <jono> good work! :) <jcastro> woo! <jcastro> I would hold off on the dailies tbh <jono> right, I will postpone it <Technoviking> jcastro: If anyone asks, Ryan is working on the issues with the forums <jcastro> ok <jcastro> Technoviking: did ranch_hand posting every 3 minutes bring it down? <Technoviking> jcastro: lol, could be:) <Technoviking> I think it maybe my fault, I posted to the forums from my iPhone 4 yesterday:) <jcastro> I didn't know you were right handed! <Technoviking> jcastro: am now, I cut off my left hand so I would never be tempted to use it <jcastro> Technoviking: http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/2623/1277477480603.jpg <Technoviking> Honestly, I can not reproduce that problem. The main problem I'm having is that 3G is faster on the iPhone 4 but not as reliable. Something #G will just not work. <doctormo> jcastro: Nice <jcastro> EOD, bai everyone! <jono> later jcastro #ubuntu-community-team 2010-07-02 <doctormo> I think my brain is melting like one of those wax droids. <doctormo> pleia2: Does Ubuntu use SELinux? <pleia2> doctormo: not really <pleia2> there is an selinux package, but they really went the apparmor direction <doctormo> pleia2: It's installed but the profiles are weak? <doctormo> Ah AppArmor, thanks <doctormo> jono, jcastro: If you enter a community which doesn't allow apturls in their comments, use this url: http://doctormo.org/apturl.pl?inkscape it does a redirect and allows you to install from a normal http link. <jono> doctormo, nice! <doctormo> I did this for deviantArt because they don't allow anything but http, (not even ftp the jerks) <doctormo> But it might be useful to others <nhandler> doctormo: Check your email ;) <nhandler> doctormo: And http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#identify <doctormo> nhandler: Perfect, thanks a lot for that. <nhandler> Glad to help doctormo <doctormo> nhandler: Now is there some furious fund I can pu a copper or two into in order to sort out Empathy? <doctormo> I've got a bug list as long as an arm. <nhandler> doctormo: Bug #1 Empathy is practically unusable as an irc client <nhandler> But no, I'm not seeing any special place to donate for empathy or its devs <doctormo> nhandler: Pretty much, I only get around some of the issues because a) I found out the way it does fav channels and b) I have nothing else to use. * nhandler loves screen+irssi <doctormo> I don't want anything cli based <nhandler> xchat is one of the few fully functional gui irc clients for ubuntu <doctormo> nhandler: Isn't that so sad, we use the tool so often for community use and yet we spend hardly any time making sure it works on our own plaform. <nhandler> doctormo: Well, there isn't a lot that can be done for it downstream. It really needs to get a lot of love upstream. I still think xchat should get included, but that is just my 2 cents <doctormo> I agree with your assessment, but downstream is still a force. <nigelb> Good morning folks! <ddecator> good morning nigelb! <nigelb> hola ddecator. Still up eh? <ddecator> nigelb: still got a few hours left in me :) <doctormo> I come from the future! and I have a warning! Do NOT attempt to convert perl to python without a hazmat suite. <nigelb> doctormo: you came around 10 years back with the same warning! Looks like you don't listen to yourself :p * nigelb ducks <doctormo> nigelb: It looks like a duck and quacks like a duck. <nigelb> doctormo: but it doesn't code like a duck <doctormo> I wish it bloody well did <nigelb> wow, I just found the awesomest thing about a support channel for any oss software, the same people who ask for help answer others questions :) <doctormo> nigelb: I'm trying to come up with a good python name for Dat33ec:265c:71fe:e26d:2682:4ec2:aaa1:99abValidat33ec:265c:71fe:e26d:2682:4ec2:aaa1:99abXSD which I just translated, any ideas? <nigelb> doctormo: translated from perl to python? <doctormo> nigelb: Yes * nigelb suggests asking dholbach - he's the python pro that I know * nigelb is just a python hacker with some knowledge of LP api <ara> good morning all <nigelb> morning ara :) <ddecator> morning ara <ara> nigelb, ddecator: morning! :-) <doctormo> nigelb: You have no ideas on names? <doctormo> :-( <nigelb> doctormo: It does look okay such :D <doctormo> nigelb: Pardon? I don't have a name yet. <ddecator> doctormo: your parents didn't give you one? i'm sorry <doctormo> nigelb: http://doctormo.org/install.pl?cheese <doctormo> Heh those urls work in irc <nigelb> it works with firefox too <doctormo> Perhaps a tool to use in the Community Weeks we have, to post apturls <doctormo> apt://cheese <nigelb> doctormo: I would suggest quassel if you want a gui client <doctormo> nigelb: huh? <nigelb> its pretty good and does the server + client setup like we folks do with screen <nigelb> doctormo: er, the earlier discussion about irc and empathy <dholbach> good morning <nigelb> morning dholbach <ddecator> morning dholbach <doctormo> nigelb: Empathy is good? <nigelb> doctormo: not good enough for me <doctormo> nor me, but I use it anyway <nigelb> I use irssi+screen so I can get onto my session from anywhere <ddecator> (irssi + screen ftw) <nigelb> quassel core + quassel does similar stuff too <nigelb> I think a lot of kubuntu folks like jussi and maco use that <maco> yep <dholbach> hi nigelb, hi ddecator * nigelb blinks <nigelb> maco: dramatic entry ;) <czajkowski> aloha <nigelb> morning czajkowski :) <qense> good afternoon <nigelb> afternoon qense :) <dholbach> I think I just replied to 500000 emails <qense> That's a pretty decent achievement. <czajkowski> heh <dholbach> qense: still not Inbox 0 <czajkowski> yet... <qense> Hold on! You can do it! <czajkowski> qense: you do know when it gets to 0 we all mail bomb dholbach right :p <qense> of course, I'm preparing my zombie network of spammers right now! <qense> But we won't be sending spam, we'll be sending mails he'll actually have to reply to! <czajkowski> good stuff :p <dholbach> you guys smoked some weird stuff :) <qense> legally! <dholbach> qense: speak for yourself :) <dholbach> qense: you might've been the only one <dholbach> (doing it legally) <qense> actually, no, I'm not 18 <qense> but who cares! * nigelb writes script to subscribe dholbach to all LP bugs <nigelb> that should give you *lots* of mails ;) <jussi> dholbach: so did you read all the wiki updates you get? or just auto direct them all into som folder you never look at :P? <nigelb> jussi: I think he does. A few days back he asked someone about a wiki update <czajkowski> some are marked trivial <jussi> LOL <nigelb> (Absolutely no clue how he manages to keep up though) <czajkowski> others arent <qense> czajkowski: How're your programming efforts going? :) <qense> if you need help, join #ubuntu-app-devel or ask me! <czajkowski> qense: thanks <czajkowski> qense: once I think of an app to play with I'll get going reading the tutorials now <qense> You should write something LoCo-y. :) <nigelb> czajkowski: \o/ loco related app sounds awesome :) <czajkowski> heh <czajkowski> so true guys <nigelb> it would be awesome to have a desktop time zone coverter where you enter time in UTC and it gives it back in your tz (in case you don't have an idea of an app) <jussi> gnome has one of those... <jussi> world clock i think it was... <qense> Can't you enter UTC in the clock panel applet? <qense> Nope <nigelb> jussi: oh? checking now <jussi> nigelb: its a replacement applet for the current clock one iirc <nigelb> qense: it sucks when daylight savings turn on <popey> date -u :) <jussi> its been a while since I used gnome <nigelb> popey: what happens when somone tells edt time :/ <nigelb> especially the day after dst comes into effect <duanedesign> nigelb: i use FoxClocks to keep up with all the time zones and UTC <nigelb> duanedesign: desktopapp? <jussi> you can add clocks to it. <jussi> http://en.opensuse.org/File:103-World-Clock.jpg <nigelb> jussi: that doesn't help me <duanedesign> nigelb: its a addon for FF <nigelb> I want to enter a time & date in future and get that time and date in my TZ <duanedesign> nigelb: want to show off my latest creation. It comes with a couple dozen commands and the ability to add you own. http://people.ubuntu.com/~duanedesign/clicomp.SS.6.png <jussi> music for today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADlAc-NsDng&NR=1 <jussi> duanedesign: nice. does it come for konsole? :P <nigelb> duanedesign: its wonderful * nigelb scowls at jussi <jussi> nigelb: I was being semi serious! <jussi> :( <jussi> >:( <nigelb> jussi: LOL to the semi :p <jussi> look its tintin... ~:) * jussi is in a strange mood today <jussi> perhaps its hometime soon <nigelb> jussi: I think its just Friday syndrome :D <jussi> Im off. Ill see you all later - its weekend time! <duanedesign> i also noticed loco.ubuntu.com is coming along nicely * nigelb listening to twisted sisters after a while <duanedesign> _\m/ <dholbach> jussi: filter locally <qense> That was a nasty SysRq-lock I've just had. <qense> Ah! I always press Print Screen by accident and since I don't have any SysRq key on my keyboard PrintScreen has apparently become the SysRq key, but it doesn't work properly. crashing my system each time I press it. <qense> They're playing the Dutch anthem right now, Brazil vs the Netherlands will start in a few minutes now! * nigelb cheers for Brazil <dholbach> everybody have a look at http://loco.ubuntu.com and look at mhall119's great work <nhandler> Wow. I haven't looked at it in a while, but it looks completely different <jcastro> WHOA <qense> yay! Nice work. <nhandler> But I must admit, I think it needs a little of that purple that is in the moving banner on ubuntu.com :) <nigelb> WOW! That was merged recently. I saw it earlier today and it wasn't there <nigelb> It looks beautiful! <jcastro> dholbach: ~50minutes until our next call? <nhandler> Is it intentional that the big 'Teams', 'Events', and 'Venues' are not actual links ? <nigelb> nhandler: I think unintential <dholbach> jcastro: which call? <nigelb> heh <nigelb> now thats a beautiful response :D <jcastro> dholbach: wait, weren't we having a call today with aaron? <dholbach> jcastro: I asked the guys in that email conversation if they wanted to have a call, nobody said "yeah sure <dholbach> " <jcastro> oh, sorry <dholbach> but we can have a call if you want <jcastro> maybe I will finish reading mail before poking you next time <dholbach> the feedback up until now seems to be "no big announce, ask some key folks to play with it first" <jcastro> good idea <jcastro> I also noticed they added a noticable "beta" button <jcastro> I have my recipes ready, I guess we'll hit it up when it lands <nhandler> "Launchpad Team Owner:" and "Launchpad Team Admin(s):" also wraps in a weird way for me <dholbach> nhandler: can you file bugs for that? http://launchpad.net/loco-directory/+filebug <nhandler> dholbach: Yeah, I'll go through and file a few bugs once I finish looking everything over <dholbach> thanks a bunch nhandler <dholbach> jcastro: if you want we can have a quick chat and figure out what you and I still have to do until tuesday <jcastro> ok <jcastro> dholbach: not right now, I am trying to finish this pyjamas guys's post <jcastro> heh <jcastro> I need to get some caffeine first <jcastro> dholbach: I just got a kindle so I've been reading until real late at night so I am tired <nigelb> jcastro: information overload <dholbach> jcastro: I'll need to head out in around 1h45m to help my sister with some stuff <jcastro> dholbach: ok, 10 minutes? <dholbach> also it's Friday :-D <jcastro> I hear ya <jcastro> ok, lemme go get some caffeine and I'll brb <dholbach> sure, take it easy * dholbach just some more tea <jcastro> OK I AM ON THE MUMBLES <dholbach> jcastro: I'll just finish something else, give me 5 <jcastro> no worries <jcastro> dholbach: aha <jcastro> it does do syntax checking on the recipe <dholbach> yeeehaw <jcastro> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jorge/+recipe/shotwell-daily <jcastro> booyah <jcastro> oh man <jcastro> dholbach: ok lesson #1. <jcastro> once you request a build there seems to be no way to cancel them <jcastro> and I accidentally sent them to the wrong PPA <dholbach> oh nice <dholbach> best take notes :) <dholbach> and file bugs <dholbach> and stuff :) <jcastro> indeed <jcastro> dholbach: dude, that was brutally easu <jcastro> look at my recipe <dholbach> nice <dholbach> let's see if it works <dholbach> did you test locally? <jcastro> dholbach: yeah <jcastro> dholbach: I premade some. :) <jcastro> dholbach: lp was pretty scrict when I mispasted <dholbach> nice <dholbach> that's good news <jcastro> so I don't think we'll have problems with the recipes per se <jcastro> more with the combination of crack people will do <dholbach> yeah <jcastro> look at mine for example <dholbach> and crazy versioning <jcastro> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jorge/+recipe/shotwell-daily <jcastro> let's say tomorrow, upstream has a new dep <jcastro> it will break <jcastro> so then someone goes and fixes the packaging <jcastro> but let's say the new dep isn't in lucid <dholbach> then they can put it in their ppa <jcastro> I bet we're going to need to do lp:~ubuntu-desktop/shotwell/ubuntu/RELEASE or something <jcastro> oh right <jcastro> I know you can put the new dep in the ppa <jcastro> I am saying, I bet some people will just make recipes <jcastro> and assume after that they they will just work <jcastro> so maybe we should say in the docs or something about following upstream developmetn * jcastro goes to add <dholbach> oh, I see what you mean now <dholbach> yes <dholbach> that we should make part of the docs <jcastro> writing now <jcastro> ugh <jcastro> there's a 4 day delay on PPA builds <dholbach> ah, I think that's because some major test-rebuild or something <jcastro> yeah <jcastro> dang <jcastro> why do we even keep sparc boxes around? <jcastro> seriously <paultag> jcastro: Ubuntu won't install for frak on sparcs <paultag> jcastro: I had to open up the CDrom drive, pour in the blood of a virgin, and pray as it tries to load 8.04 <jcastro> yeah I know we just have builders sitting there wasting electricity <paultag> jcastro: I got them all clustered up and into a beowulf, but it took _forever_ <dholbach> paultag: you are crazy <paultag> dholbach: so I've been told :) <dholbach> â¦ many many times ;-) <paultag> :P <jcastro> I remember turning in tons o' sparc at my last job to get them out of the datacenter <paultag> jcastro: the processors themself ROCK! They have so many registers it makes matrix operations so easy <paultag> jcastro: it's too bad the best technology never makes it to the top :/ <jcastro> let's agree to disagree, that whole platform and Sun can go and die for all I care. <jcastro> OH WAIT. <jcastro> :) <paultag> jcastro: I'm willing to bet you've never programmed ia-32 asm :) <paultag> I have these dreams about holding intel cpu designers underwater <paultag> :P <jcastro> no, I mean from a sysadmin perspective <paultag> jcastro: Oh, you're totally right there <paultag> but if I was to write a SPARC kernel or another Intel kernel, I'd go SPARC every time <jcastro> hmm <jcastro> is there a list of councils anywhere? <paultag> jcastro: dholbach was doing something on lp with the team counncil members <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Restaffing <paultag> jcastro: but I don't know if that ever got off the ground <dholbach> paultag: you were! <jcastro> ah there we go. <paultag> dholbach: I don't have admin on that team! <paultag> dholbach: I removed all traces of myself so that I would only have indrect membership on it :) <paultag> dholbach: no need for me to own such a team :) <dholbach> paultag: sorry, I'm in too many conversations right now and I can't get that stuff down <dholbach> done <dholbach> sorry :/ <paultag> dholbach: that's fine. If you want me to finish that one up, just mark me as admin. I'll straighten it up and then remove myself again. Only if we want to move forward with it. <dholbach> yeah, I can't even remember if we agreed on it <paultag> dholbach: me neither <nhandler> I think having the LP team setup (regardless of if we use it for anything or a ML) would still be nice <paultag> nhandler: aye <paultag> nhandler: dholbach: I would suggest an informal vote to see if anyone has issue with it <paultag> and if they do, then why <paultag> and see if we can't address it <dholbach> sure why not <nhandler> I doubt anyone would have an issue with just having an LP team that has all councils as members (especially if they can just ignore it) <paultag> nhandler: aye <nhandler> It isn't a change in policy or anything like that <paultag> sidenote, hey nhandler -- how are you today :) <nhandler> paultag: Doing well. Making my way through the LD bug list <popey> so are you creating a team that just contains teams? <popey> not individuals <popey> paultag / dholbach ^ <paultag> popey: +1 <nhandler> popey: I thought that was the idea <paultag> popey: that's why I removed myself from the team <popey> ok, makes sense to me <paultag> popey: and why no one is using it :) <nhandler> popey: That way, it wouldn't need to get updated when the councils change <paultag> right nhandler <dholbach> I'll leave that to you guys <dholbach> I call it a day :) <dholbach> have a great weekend! <popey> o/ <paultag> dholbach: you own it! <nhandler> You too dholbach <paultag> dholbach: well ok. Nevermind, we can still start discussion on it <dholbach> I need to help my sister carry a mattress through burnin' hot Berlin - again <paultag> dholbach: Tschuss! Schones Wochenender :) <nhandler> paultag: What was the LP team again? <dholbach> paultag: give me the link again and I'll give it to you <dholbach> paultag: "TschÃ¼ss! SchÃ¶nes Wochenende!" :) <paultag> dholbach: I'm on IRSSI, those come out as ? <paultag> dholbach: I can't do Umlaut! :) <paultag> dholbach: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-council-teams <dholbach> paultag: you can stay stuck in the 1980's for all I care :-P <dholbach> paultag: Ã¼Ã¶Ã¤Ã :) <nhandler> paultag: The entire CC owns that team <paultag> dholbach: until I get x-screen working, it'll be screen :) <paultag> nhandler: no frak :P -- I set them to own it and removed myself <nhandler> paultag: Yeah, but we don't need dholbach, he can go enjoy his weekend, and we can get one of the other members to handle it :) <dholbach> alrightie <paultag> nhandler: Righto. Good move <dholbach> rock on everyone! <dholbach> see you! :) <paultag> Later dholbach :) <popey> what needs doing? <nhandler> popey: Populating https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-council-teams <paultag> popey: can you populate https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-council-teams > <popey> with? <paultag> nhandler: this is why we love eachother <paultag> popey: council teams <popey> sure, gimmie a list and I'll do it <popey> I am about to leave work, can you pm me the list or email and I'll do it when i get home <paultag> popey: righto <nhandler> popey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Restaffing <popey> ooh, thats a handy list <czajkowski> popey: you poked? then ran away <popey> yeah, nvm <qense> Screaming people on the streets: the netherlands have defeated Brazil! Twitter is down! <czajkowski> ok.. <paultag> Whoh WTF <qense> 2-1 <paultag> BOOHYEAH!!!! <paultag> congrats qense!!!! <qense> :P <qense> yayay! <popey> paultag - added all those <paultag> popey: you rock, thank you :) * paultag hugs popey <popey> np <popey> some are invited, they have to accept <paultag> aye <qense> One of our goals was scored by Brazil, but that doesn't matter! :P <nhandler> We could probably get someone from the TB go accept a few of those <qense> Twitter is more than down right now. Do they actually realise how big Twitter is in the Netherlands? <qense> YouTube is already being flooded with videos from the Ned-Bra game. :P <qense> Twitter still very down. <jcastro> <--- late lunching <jcastro> jono: appmenu status is up! <jono> jcastro, saw it, great work! <jcastro> with this new tool it will make fixing things much easier <jcastro> ok, off for some food <jono> :) <doctormo> Morning jono, everything going well? <jcastro> greg-g: HAPPY BIRTHDAY <paultag> doctormo: it's the afternoon over here <jono> doctormo, great thanks :-) <nhandler> Ah, Happy Birthday greg-g <jcastro> haha <jcastro> jono: this video looks way too .... enterprisey for you <jcastro> I am surprised they didn't make you wear a collared shirt <jono> jcastro, check it out, I think I made it clear what they should do <jcastro> I am listening to it <czajkowski> afternoon chaparoos <Technoviking> jcastro: http://www.xayni.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/iphone4_holding_problem_fixed.jpg <jcastro> hah, awesome <Technoviking> Apple gave me a free bumoer for my 3G problem <czajkowski> jono: when you mail the LC poke me and I'll moderate the mail <jono> cheers, yeah I havent had a chance to do it yet <jono> Technoviking, what the hell is a bumoer? <jono> lol <czajkowski> jono: grand job <czajkowski> also need to work on my talk for next week in leeds <doctormo> jono: Nice video, vibrant community eh. <czajkowski> jono: which is thanks to your blog post at ada lovelace a guy in the UK asked me over to talk on Ubuntu women <jono> doctormo, lol <jono> czajkowski, nice! :) <jono> gotta shout out the homies <jono> :) <czajkowski> jono: aye... once I figure out what I'm talking about <jono> lol <czajkowski> http://www.nationalclcsconference.org/?p=203#clcs10 <doctormo> czajkowski: How's your mum today? everything going well? <czajkowski> doctormo: aye it's amazing how fast you let out after keyhole. she's still groggy and was up and about today, but tired after a while. but a lot better than she used to be after a op. they removed 5 gall stones and her gall bladder through her belly button <doctormo> czajkowski: Sounds good, my wife's op for gall stones wasn't so neat, although she was up and about in a week. <czajkowski> doctormo: aye mum, this would be my mums 4th in about 9 years so she didnt want to be "opened up" again as she's full of adhesions and recovery takes a lot longer <doctormo> Having dealt with both the NHS when my mum had gall stones and the US system with my wife, I'd pick the NHS, they seem to care a little more about the patient. Ay-ya! 4th op for the same thing? <jcastro> jono: did you get the android update on your nexus? <czajkowski> doctormo: nope 4th different one <jono> jcastro, I haven't checked yet <Technoviking> jono: I'm not fat, I just got fat fingers:) <jono> Technoviking, lol <jcastro> Technoviking: could be worse, they could be sausage fingers <jcastro> tough crowd today! <paultag> boooo! * paultag throws something <czajkowski> hmm is there a way of inserting a text box in open office presentations <jussi> czajkowski: yeah, just ad a box and double click <jussi> double clicking the box will enable you to write on it <czajkowski> and then change the borders and stuff <czajkowski> ok <czajkowski> thanks <jussi> czajkowski: you can do it with the callouts also, if you want a callout <czajkowski> nope not a call put <czajkowski> *put <czajkowski> I basically want to put text all over the place at different points <czajkowski> but not see a box <Technoviking> cool Adobe Air is the Canonical partner repo <jono> doctormo, my Fast Track Pro arrives today <jono> so I can poke around and see if I can get the s/pdif working <jcastro> End of Week here, cya all on Tuesday! <jcastro> as this monday we celebrate not being English! <czajkowski> jcastro: hah <czajkowski> I was in the states one year fo 4th of July it's pretty amazing <Technoviking> jcastro: col-o-nies col-o-nies col-o-nies <czajkowski> hmm trying to find a decent pic of me not sticking my tongue out is frigging impossible! <Technoviking> USA: taking the letter u out of words for 234 years <nhandler> czajkowski: Have you been in Chicago for its firework show? <czajkowski> nhandler: nope I spent 3 months in hampton beach new hampshire <czajkowski> fireworks on the beach were amazing <nhandler> czajkowski: Fireworks in Chicago over the lake beat fireworks anywhere else in the country (according to many sources) <czajkowski> nhandler: next time I fly to toronto I might actually stop for more than 3 hrs in O'hare and see some of Chicago <nhandler> czajkowski: Stop by #ubuntu-chicago ahead of time. I know nixternal frequently stops by ohare to say hi to people passing through <czajkowski> ah cool <Technoviking> later all, have a good weekend <jussi> czajkowski: ahh, I thought you wantesd the box. in the drawing toolbar theres a text thingy <jussi> now to bed <czajkowski> hoping to invade in september for a week agin <paultag> whoh czajkowski, when are you in the states? <paultag> Oh right <paultag> read the scrollback, nvmd <czajkowski> paultag: best mate moved to Toronto for work as she got made redundant here 2.5 yrs ago in construction and needed work as she's a single mum. So now when I can I plan on going over <paultag> czajkowski: rad <czajkowski> paultag: great fun getting Canadians to say about <czajkowski> aboot :) <paultag> a boot <paultag> haha yeah <czajkowski> <--easily amused <paultag> a what? <paultag> a boot! #ubuntu-community-team 2010-07-03 <czajkowski> aloha <highvoltage> hello czajkowski! <czajkowski> highvoltage: in canada yet? <highvoltage> czajkowski: yep! arrived yesterday afternoon <czajkowski> highvoltage: sweet! <highvoltage> yep! I'm really happy that it all worked out, everyone has been really great and friendly this side <czajkowski> highvoltage: excellent has been a long long long long time coming <highvoltage> *nod* (bbl) <czajkowski> nigelb: if stil awake why not get folks doing bug triaging if they are up and about ? <akgraner> highvoltage, ping <akgraner> highvoltage, wrong channel I meant to ping you in -news :-) <akgraner> jcastro, you around? <qense> good afternoon <czajkowski> June Ubuntu Hour http://pix.ie/czajkowski/album/381491 <qense> Oh no! I think the Germans broke Twitter today. :P <qense> Funny thing I just noticed today: The IOC/FIFA short code for the Netherlands(Dutch: 'Nederland') is NED, but for Germany (German: 'Deutschland') it is GER. Why would that be? <doctormo> qense: IOC/FIFA is British and just wants to mess with the Germans? <doctormo> paultag: Hey Tagliamonte, want to help me out with some tests? <qense> doctormo: Sounds plausible. <doctormo> So quiet today, where is everyone? <AlanBell> it is very quiet <paultag> doctormo: sure what's up #ubuntu-community-team 2010-07-04 <paultag> doctormo: all your tests say OK <doctormo> paultag: Great <paultag> wait <paultag> doctormo: I have a failure <paultag> doctormo: http://pastebin.com/7j29cz3z <paultag> doctormo: there are the errors <doctormo> paultag: The first failure I get too, but all those errors I don't. do you not have a tests/data directory? <paultag> I do <paultag> I just ran all the py files in the top level <doctormo> paultag: Huh, any ideas your end and how to run these kinda of tests? <paultag> doctormo: erm, I'd need to look thru the code, give me a few, I just beached the sailbot, I was jut out on the Ocean <doctormo> Nice, hope you had a good time. <paultag> doctormo: I did, it was outstanding out <doctormo> paultag: Let me know what you think of the code, it's translated from perl, I figured it'd be useful for testing the forms in starf <paultag> doctormo: :) <paultag> doctormo: Will do! <czajkowski> aloha <nhandler> Anyone from the Community Council up and awake? It would be nice to have a team report this month <nhandler> Same for Forum and LoCo council <jussi> czajkowski: popey ^^ <czajkowski> paultag: you around to do loco council report I'm at aunties home from hospital wiht her baby so not around <paultag> czajkowski: Oh christ <paultag> czajkowski: please, do your thing. Please. <paultag> czajkowski: I've got a handle on stuff, take your time. <nhandler> paultag: If you do the report, please say so in -news (to make sure it gets included) <czajkowski> greg-g: ping <doctormo> Evening czajkowski #ubuntu-community-team 2010-07-05 <akgraner> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here: <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue200 <jono> kim0, welcome! :-) <kim0> jono: Thanks man :) <kim0> let's of people in here <jono> kim0, just add this to your auto-join :) <jono> kim0, if you could make sure you are in while working, that would be awesome :-) <kim0> got it <jono> everyone, kim0 is our fifth horseman :-) <kim0> Hello horsemen :) <jono> kim0, so this chan is full of community members <ddecator> we have horsemen? o.o <jono> of which dholbach, jcastro, and dpm are on our team :-) <jono> ddecator, lol <kim0> hehe <jono> kim0, I am also going to send you a presentation now which explains burndown charts <jono> kim0, don't expect to understand all of it, it will just give you an idea of what they are and how they work <jono> I will explain more on tues <kim0> okie sounds good <jono> howdy jussi <jono> kim0, ok I am off for a bit, back later, dholbach will get you started <jono> thanks! <kim0> Thank you .. <jono> :) <kim0> c ya <jono> later <kim0> dholbach: morning <dholbach> good morning <dholbach> hey kim0! <kim0> hehe <kim0> so you'll kick start me today <dholbach> :-) <ddecator> morning dholbach <dholbach> hi ddecator <dholbach> everybody: kim0 is Ahmed Kamal and will work with the Cloud Community <dholbach> kim0: welcome to the fun! :) <kim0> Thanks dholbach .. So excited to join folks <dholbach> kim0: how's Cairo today? <kim0> hehe .. nice weather <dholbach> not too hot yet? :) <kim0> nah .. it's cool these days <kim0> ~ 28 or so <dholbach> that's ok :) <dholbach> kim0_: do you know anybody in the Egyptian LoCo team? https://launchpad.net/~egyptlocoteam <dholbach> seems like the Egyptian team are planning something right now: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/196/detail/ <kim0_> recognize a few names there .. and at least one of em is a friend .. catching up on the plans * dholbach takes the dog to the vet - see you in a bit <ddecator> dholbach: hope s/he is alright :( <dholbach> ddecator: yeah, she had surgery 2-3 weeks ago, so it should be fine soon again <dholbach> brb * dholbach hugs ddecator * ddecator hugs dholbach <jono> dholbach, still out? <kim0_> Yeah <jono> kim0_, ok let me see if someone in IS can get you set up <kim0_> jono, they seem to already have a ticket for me <jono> kim0_, ahhh great <jono> so we are just waiting on them <kim0_> dholbach pinged them .. and they mentioned they're waiting for London to come up <jono> what is the ticket number? <kim0_> guess they should be up now <kim0_> getting it <jono> thnaks <jono> thanks <kim0_> jono, #40017 <jono> thanks kim0_ <kim0_> most welcome <dholbach> jono: back <jono> thanks dholbach <jono> if you could follow up with IS, that would be great <dholbach> will do <jono> they are gonna need wrangling <jono> thanks, pal <dholbach> no worries <jono> I am wrapping some things here and I am heading to bed in 30mins or so <jono> so will be up for a bit <jono> dholbach, all ok with the dog? <dholbach> jono: yeah, the wound finally healed, so we can take off the stupid satellite dish <jono> fantastic :) <kim0> satellite dish ?! <dholbach> http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3584/dogvsantennags1.jpg <dholbach> dogs have to put it on, so they stay away from a wound that's healing <kim0> aahh .. glad she's recovering just fine <jono> kim0, ok you should have access to the canonical wiki now <kim0> okie dokie .. thanks .. checking it out <jono> kim0, so now you can perform the new staff tasks which was linked in the email <kim0> Attacking :) <jono> :) <jono> kim0, what is your LP username? <kim0> jono, kim0 <jono> aha! <jono> kim0, did you get into the canonical wiki ok? <kim0> jono, yep, just fine <jono> cool :) <czajkowski> Aloha folks! Tis Monday a new week!!! <jono> hey czajkowski <czajkowski> jono: ello.... eh what timezone are you in <czajkowski> jono: not that I'm not happy to see you, I just had to make sure what time it was <dholbach> czajkowski: he's in the land of sleep-deprivation <popey> Morning Ubuntuites! <czajkowski> dholbach: :) <dholbach> morning czajkowski, popey <dholbach> how are you guys doing? <popey> Great! <czajkowski> FANTASTIC! <dholbach> jono: did I show you mhall's newest changes to loco.ubuntu.com? <dholbach> jono: the theme is based on what he did with the ubuntu-website team, so it'll be easier for us to stay up to date now <dholbach> he just rocks * popey wonders what needs to be done to address bug 585940 which is a bit of a 'celebrity' bug report <ubot2> Launchpad bug 585940 in ubuntu-website "Text reads "not recommended" for 64-bit (affects: 41) (heat: 210)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/585940 <popey> and is getting negative attention <dholbach> did you talk to newz2000 about it? <popey> not recently <popey> he's aware of it * popey pokes him in -website <dholbach> maybe he needs a renewed prod? :) <jono> dholbach, ooh <jono> dholbach, looks great! <dholbach> yeah :) <jono> czajkowski, in cali <jono> just don't need to be up early tomorrow <czajkowski> jono: tomorow is today :) go sleep you loon <jono> hehe <czajkowski> kim0: Aloha there Welcome <jono> I am heading to bed in two ticks <kim0> czajkowski, Hi there :) <kim0> jono, nightie <dholbach> sleep tight and have a nice day off <popey> (slacker) <popey> ;) <kim0> hehe <jono> heh <jono> Severed Fifth for much of tomorrow <jono> finishing the album <jono> night, all! <czajkowski> nn jono <jono> kim0, have a great first day :-) <kim0> jono, You cana be sure I am .. Thank you :D <kim0> can* <jono> :) <dholbach> james_w: I'm so excited - dylan's first cut of work landed today :-D * dholbach â lunch <jussi> does anyone here know who runs ubuntu-eu.org? <czajkowski> jussi: ask huats <czajkowski> but I think there's been some falling out <jussi> :/ <czajkowski> hmm no developer week logo <czajkowski> feck all the others have one <czajkowski> jussi: he's online <jussi> its rather frustrating. they have no contact details on their website, no way of communicating with them. <czajkowski> jussi: hmm there is a way I just have the details to hand on this machine <jussi> czajkowski: Im talking to huats now. <czajkowski> sortedso <popey> there is #ubuntu-eu <jussi> yeah, I found that thanks popey <dholbach> james_w: I split out the recipe docs into https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyBuilds/Recipes and linked it from the knowledge base - does https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyBuilds/GettingStarted?action=diff&rev2=21&rev1=20 look good to you? <dholbach> james_w: as the default case? <james_w> dholbach: is his work deployed? <czajkowski> kim0: how are you getting on Day 1 <dholbach> james_w: no, not deployed it - the ticket is still open and I guess we should schedule a meeting with interested folks to iron out a few more (small) issues <nigelb> hola folks! <czajkowski> nigelb: howdy <nigelb> czajkowski: heya <nigelb> there was strike in whole of india for increased fuel prices - what a day! <czajkowski> nigelb: we have kim0 in here today say hi <czajkowski> nigelb: lordie <nigelb> czajkowski: was stuck without food in the morning :/ <nigelb> thankfully, went to a friend's place and spent the day with them <nigelb> I have 48 hours of backlog to catch up with! Good lord! <czajkowski> nigelb: not agood start <nigelb> definitely not! But, having a lazy monday is a very good thing <nigelb> czajkowski: ah, we finally have a cloud community representative :) <czajkowski> we do <nigelb> I missed so much! I'm so pissed at my laptop not working right now :/ <czajkowski> squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee I have rugby tickets for world cup :D <nigelb> rugby has world cup? * nigelb runs from czajkowski <czajkowski> next summer <nigelb> wow, thats early :) <nigelb> btw, folks, I have a new alter ego blog nigelblogs.wordpress.com - I'll probably start blogging from tomorrow, its my web developer alter ego :) <czajkowski> well september would be when I'd be going over <nigelb> where is it? <czajkowski> NEW ZEALAND <czajkowski> I'm invading <nigelb> heh <nigelb> czajkowski: leave poor ben alone ;) <czajkowski> he wont come near me with a camera this time <nigelb> LOL <nigelb> czajkowski: orla looks beautiful! <nigelb> the picture with the 2 kids is soooooo cute :) <czajkowski> aye that's Oisin (ush een) <czajkowski> her 4 yr old brother <nigelb> :) <AlanBell> oh, that reminds me I was going to send a challenge out to the -nz team <czajkowski> AlanBell: would it be
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