#ubuntu-beginners 2010-10-01 <_CommandeR_> sup <DWG_> hello <stlsaint> yo <DWG_> is there still a hibernate and suspend problem when you download lucid lynx to an asus u50f? <stlsaint> DWG_: are you having a issue with it? <DWG_> <+stlsaint> i was browsing the website with an interest in ubuntu but that is the laptop i use <stlsaint> DWG_: yea there seems to be an issue with it <b234> bodhi_zazen: thanks <_CommandeR_> Guys, if you interested in how cpus work check tihs out =http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGkkyKZVzug&feature=player_embedded <_CommandeR_> a guy built a cpu in minecraft <duanedesign> thanks for the link _CommandeR_ <_CommandeR_> np :) <_CommandeR_> i see this as pretty amazing :) <stlsaint> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/cli-companion-makes-it-easier-to-use.html#more <Verminator> I currently have Ubuntu (Gnome DE) installed on my laptop. It works ok, but is sort of sluggish. I see I can install xfce or lxde. If I install one of those: <Verminator> 1 -if I continue to use the gnome apps, will I see a performace increase? <Verminator> 2- will I still be able to use Ubuntu one? <Verminator> 3- any negatives for installing the alternate DEs? <seidos> Verminator, to be honest, i've tried the other DE's. the performance increase is in that they use less ram, but the performance bumps aren't earth shattering. do you use compiz? <seidos> you actually might have a more responsive desktop with desktop effect enabled, assuming your video card can handle it <Verminator> seidos, no all effects are turned off <Verminator> seidos, really, turning the effects on may INCREASE performance? <Verminator> I have a build it video card, so I dont think its all too powerful. <seidos> Verminator, yeah, i think so. i have integrated intel graphics, and i think desktop effects improve the desktop experience <seidos> Verminator, you really aren't going to know until you try it though. so install xfce, perhaps fluxbox. try desktop effects, then see what you think. <Verminator> seidos, thx for the heads up. <Verminator> seidos, with the alt DEs, any negative side effects? I do lke the gnome apps I'm currently using and I wanted to start syncing my PC/laptop w/ ubuntu-one. IS this still possible w/ the new DEs? <seidos> Verminator, i think it'll still work. i'm not sure about performance hits using an alternate DE. what i'm guessing is there just won't be a spectacular performance gain (which is what i think you are looking for) <seidos> the only gnome (gtk) program i used when using lxde and enlightenment was nmapplet i think <Verminator> seidos, ok, thx again, I really appreciate the input <seidos> Verminator, try out the alternate DEs and come back and tell me about it. i'd be interested in your take on the experience. <Verminator> seidos, ok, will do <Verminator> I guess this brings up a kind of fundamental question. Since Gnome, xfce, lxde all use the GTK toolkit, to me it would seem they would all perform equally well using gnome applications. Pure speculation, but would seem logical. <johnny77> I have installed Ubuntu using Wubi and thinking of switching, but have two windows based programs I need. And want to insure there is proper ubuntu alternatives before I completely switch. Any one have suggestions for iTunes or Quicken alternatives? <seidos> johnny77, rhythmbox is the itunes alternative. not sure about quicken. <johnny77> will rhythmbox sync with my iPhone? <seidos> johnny77, eh, i don't know. i use rhythmbox with my 5th gen ipod, and it doesn't really "sync". you have to move music over from your music collection to your ipod by dragging files over. <b234> johnny77: no, it won't synch with the iphone <johnny77> is there an iTunes alternative that will sync with the iphone? <b234> not that I've found <johnny77> Does anyone know if I can set up a dual boot, using a SD disk drive for Ubuntu? <seidos> johnny77, SD disk? <johnny77> yeah, I have a netbook that has a slot for the disk that are usually used in digital cameras. <stlsaint> johnny77: yes you can install ubuntu on a ssd if you would like <johnny77> would it run faster on a removable ssd or on my HD? I'm just afraid of losing data with the required partition change. <scribawf> How do I force a kernal update? <stlsaint> DiegoTc: wb <DiegoTc> thanks <Mohan_chml> OMG stlsaint <stlsaint> Mohan_chml: did you see? clicompanion was featured on webupd8.org!! <Mohan_chml> Opening that link <stlsaint> pfft...its only like the third largest ubuntu/linux blog sites on the NET :P <Mohan_chml> stlsaint: Ummm where is Duane's name?? O_O <stlsaint> i dunno, the lp project is under his name along with the blog site where clic is hosted!! <stlsaint> Mohan_chml: see my name :P <Mohan_chml> thats why I AM ASKING YOU <Mohan_chml> :P <stlsaint> LOL <Mohan_chml> I wanna ping that Editor <Mohan_chml> darn... Not having the Developer's name :/ <stlsaint> i just sent the editor/admin a email asking him to post on clic <stlsaint> we exchanged a few emails and poof...clicompanion is on front page!! :P <Mohan_chml> stlsaint: Would you please mention the developr's name there??? <Mohan_chml> :P <Mohan_chml> I copmmented like that :P <stlsaint> hey hey hey, i didnt write the article!! <Mohan_chml> commented* <stlsaint> and i told him who the dev was :P <Mohan_chml> Okies tell the author to delete my message and add duane's name <Mohan_chml> :D <Mohan_chml> or I will be Poking him daily on that Page xD <stlsaint> Mohan_chml: there...i answered for you!! <shahan> my md5sum is not matching <shahan> can I make it recover without downloading (xubuntu 10.04 desktop i386 ) <aveilleux> shahan: If the md5sum of something doesn't match, that means you need to redownload it. <aveilleux> shahan: The md5sum is a verification check that shows that all of the bits are in the right place. If it fails, you can't really just magically "fix" it <shahan> I have downloaded a xubuntu-10.04-desktop-i386.iso but its md5sum(702262eca412b79026d3cab0a8e7f5fa) is not matching. where the correct one will be 7f064bc012025a5307ef6d81b0bc4c87 (according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes ) <shahan> is there any way to make it correct without redownloading? <shahan> . <shahan> wlecome mathay <Mohan_chml> shahan: see this <Mohan_chml> <aveilleux> shahan: If the md5sum of something doesn't match, that means you need to redownload it. <Mohan_chml> <aveilleux> shahan: The md5sum is a verification check that shows that all of the bits are in the right place. If it fails, you can't really just magically "fix" it <shahan> à¦¬à¦®à¦® <shahan> hmm <shahan> however... <shahan> leoquant: welcome <shahan> Release Candidate is now online <shahan> :) <shahan> . <arifovic> Anyone, how to connect CDMA modem C8800 on ubuntu? <arifovic> Anyone, how to connect CDMA modem C8800 on ubuntu? <shahan> . <shahan> Phrea: welcome <AbhiJit> hi <seidos> AbhiJit, hi <AbhiJit> good evening seidos <seidos> AbhiJit, it's 5:02 am here. how about you? <AbhiJit> :o <AbhiJit> 5:33 PM :p <seidos> wow, 12 hour difference. <seidos> hmmm i wonder where you are <AbhiJit> !!! <AbhiJit> its the one and only - Incredible India! <AbhiJit> :D <AbhiJit> you? <AbhiJit> seidos, ?? <seidos> i'm in california AbhiJit, US <AbhiJit> seidos, ok <seidos> AbhiJit, isn't the Dalai Lama in India? <AbhiJit> seidos, yes <Silver_Fox_> Hello. <AbhiJit> hi Silver_Fox_ <Silver_Fox_> Hello AbhiJit <arifovic> Anyone, how to connect CDMA modem C8800 on ubuntu? <Maddeth> Gooood afternoon <Silver_Fox_> Hello Maddeth . <Mohan_chml> Yay Maddeth (: <Mohan_chml> hello Silver_Fox_ =] <Maddeth> Sorry not been online in so long, been sooooo busy <Mohan_chml> Good to have you back Maddeth :) <Maddeth> have I missed much? <Mohan_chml> MeFra: Not much. But a bit <Mohan_chml> aww Maddeth* * Mohan_chml shows again to the world that he is the President of Tab failers Committee :P <Mohan_chml> Hiya hobgoblin =] <hobgoblin> o/ <Mohan_chml> What's up hobgoblin ? <Maddeth> hobgoblin: o/ <hobgoblin> not much Mohan_chml and HI Maddeth - how's the view from the other side of the wall? <Maddeth> was very wet earlier, now its just wet <Maddeth> teach them golfers to come here! <hobgoblin> bit like here then <hobgoblin> without the golfers of course, unless they cam here for a day trip :) <Maddeth> :p <Maddeth> dont think there will be much golfing today <Maddeth> my bike gear is dripping wet still <Maddeth> not looking forward to putting it back on when it is time to come home <hobgoblin> I bet it is <hobgoblin> no - that will be pretty awful :( <Maddeth> all fun :) <hobgoblin> yep - I remember the fun <hobgoblin> and the damp clothes ... <Maddeth> well, the gear is pretty new and pretty expensive, nice and light and not leaked yet <hobgoblin> excellent <Maddeth> how are you anyway hobgoblin <hobgoblin> pretty good ty - all over for the week now anyway ... I shall do as little as possible now for 2 days :D <Maddeth> hobgoblin: sounds like a dream, when I am not in work, I am doing DIY <Maddeth> 8 hours in work, 6 hours on the house <Maddeth> food and bed <hobgoblin> Maddeth: I've been decorating ... I am resting now before I start again <Maddeth> decorating is such a light word... been getting rd of wallpaper, and finding out why it was papered and not painted <Maddeth> had to do a lot of plastering.... <hobgoblin> oh nice :( <Maddeth> glad I have the skillz! * Silver_Fox_ just gets plasterer in <hobgoblin> yea - always handy :) I'd not much like to be plastering but then the plasterer I know hates sorting out PCs so bartering is alive and kicking <hobgoblin> back shortly <Maddeth> Silver_Fox_: too *spensive <Silver_Fox_> As hobgoblin says, it is all about barter * hobgoblin says all sorts <bodhi_zazen> Anyone here running chromium willing to test html5 video ? <bodhi_zazen> http://bodhizazen.net/video/index6.html <bodhi_zazen> Tha linky works (sound + video) in ff 4.0 Pre-release and chrome <bodhi_zazen> Not IE or apparently safari <Maddeth> bodhi_zazen: running chrome, seems to work well <Maddeth> little stuttery <bodhi_zazen> TY Maddeth <bodhi_zazen> You have sound ? <bodhi_zazen> I added the sound track last night <hawodi> has anybody been able to sync Nokia E73 with Evolution? <AbhiJit_> hawodi, try in #evolution <AbhiJit> bye * You're now known as ubuntulog #ubuntu-beginners 2010-10-02 <_schism_> evening all <aveilleux> hello _schism_ <_schism_> has anyone here ever used openvas? I had my media machine get hit and I think I fixed it but I am not sure and this seems to be the program to check those kinda things out but cant get it to run <aveilleux> _schism_: OpenVAS is a fairly complicated system... <_schism_> I was afraid of that :( can you recomened anything else to scan it for stuff that people can use against it? <aveilleux> _schism_: Depends on what kind of ports you have open. How do you interface with the machine? How does media get put onto the machine? Do you SSH into the box? <_schism_> I use ssh and did use vnc but did away with vnc. I got rid of it before I noticed the logs but I dont remember exactly when in comparrison <_schism_> nmap maybe? <aveilleux> _schism_: nmap is pretty good <aveilleux> _schism_: Did you change the SSH port? <_schism_> yes I did at the same time I got rid of vnc. I use the auth key thingie on it instead of the password which is the better way to do it if I understood my google foo correctly <_schism_> hmmm if I am reading correctly nmap just does open ports but doesnt check for any stuff that can be used against you correct? <aveilleux> _schism_: Checking for "things that can be used against you" can't be done, since cracking tools evolve constantly <aveilleux> _schism_: Define "auth key thingie" <_schism_> the private key <aveilleux> _schism_: Public key authentication? You can do that with a password as well <_schism_> yeah public key. way too many bookmarks.......... <aveilleux> _schism_: Security isn't really my speciality, just don't enable the root account and run nothing on an account with sudo rights <aveilleux> Change all of the standard ports (SSH, FTP, etc) <_schism_> aveilleux, thanks for the help. it was probably a mistake on my part before but I realy do appreciate your help <aveilleux> _schism_: no problem. I run two servers so I understadn your concern :) <aveilleux> understand* <_schism_> yeah mine is for the kids to be able to watch their movies from so I dont want someone on there putting stuff that they shouldnt be seeing on there <aveilleux> _schism_ : How do you get the movies onto the server? <_schism_> I have been buying movies with the digital copies on them and downloading them to the machine. <aveilleux> _schism_: Yes, but how are you actually getting the files onto the machine? USB stick, FTP, what <_schism_> usualy a usb hd <_schism_> work has a lot more bandwidth than I do ;) <aveilleux> _schism_: Wait, so if this is in your house... what ports are forwarded? <_schism_> right now since I found the machine goofed up only port 80 to a dvr I have and thats all <aveilleux> _schism_: Why is the port forwarded, I'm a little confused (since this is all running locally, I assume) <_schism_> the dvr is for a camera system and it is fowarded to the dvr for offsite viewing <aveilleux> _schism_: I see. Then the video feed is running over HTTP? <_schism_> its uses the port 80 inbound to trigger outbound to the client software on other ports <_schism_> its a diffrent machine not the media machine <aveilleux> _schism_: Um, okay <zkriesse> G'day N-14 and PrimeRad <N-14> Hi <PrimeRad> Hello <_schism_> wow look at all the attempts to pop my machine in the last 30 minutes <aveilleux> _schism_: You might want to change your port. <_schism_> +1-226-633-4109 <_schism_> wonder how many boards I can post that into..... <aveilleux> _schism_: Don't do it. <aveilleux> _schism_: I do not encourage retaliation. They probably have better defenses than you do. <_schism_> true didnt mean for retaliation I meant as far as ips to watch out for <aveilleux> _schism_: More likely than not that IP will be changed within the day <aveilleux> _schism_: No one has static IPs anymore <aveilleux> (unless you request them) <_schism_> sadly enough it didnt start happening until I cam in here asking for help :( <aveilleux> Weird <_schism_> but at least everything is closed down now so it makes me feel a lot better <PrimeRad> What are u then Enemy of the State? <aveilleux> Could be <_schism_> lol nope just a guy trying to make sure my kids dont see stuff they shouldnt and trying to learn a bit about nix <PrimeRad> lol <aveilleux> _schism_ Something you can try (that I've heard of but never used) is iptables autobanning <aveilleux> I don't know how it works, sadly <collinp> As in? <PrimeRad> You've got a neophyte here. I'm still learning my TI calculator. <_schism_> I have been reading about iptables and am trying to wrap my head around those as well <collinp> Depending upon the kind of attack it is, there are several programs available to do the job. <collinp> If you want to go for the gold, run a Intrusion Prevention System. * _schism_ adds yet another thing to his google list <collinp> My VPS gets attacked over SSH around 200 times in 12 hours. <collinp> Mostly brute-force attacks. <PrimeRad> I'm in trouble aren't I? <_schism_> nah ti calcs cant be put on the net :) <PrimeRad> Yeah but I'm really new. I'm still learning all the features and I have no programming background. <zkriesse> collinp: Intrusion Prevention System? <collinp> zkriesse: It's self-explanitory. <_schism_> dont worry I am clueless but the guys in here are realy good about helping they have just spent the last 45 minutes or so helping me <collinp> err, explanatory. <zkriesse> _schism_: thanks for the compliment <collinp> If it detects an attack, it logs it, and can be configured to send you a message about it and/or react to it. <_schism_> zkriesse, your welcome <collinp> For example: snort <_schism_> well all I do appreciate the help but I need to go. thanks once again <z_k> Hello people. I'm having a problem with my wireless on Ubuntu. I'm very new to linux. My wireless was working fine, but mysteriously stopped working. If anyone wants to help, I'd appreciate it greatly :) <AbhiJit> hi <stlsaint> hey <AbhiJit> hey <shahan> . <shahan> I want to remove all the inactive files of my ubuntu <shahan> that is like the DiskCleanUP in Windows <shahan> is there any way to do this? <AbhiJit> shahan, try ubuntu tweak or bleachbit <AbhiJit> first try bleachbit <shahan> AbhiJit, is it in SoftwareCenter? <AbhiJit> shahan, yes <shahan> AbhiJit, ok <shahan> nUboon2Age, welcome <duanedesign> morning all <vu1kan> is there any place that ram usage is logged? top doesn't do me any good, really, i'm wanting to know what application is suddenly sucking my ram(and i am aware of the fact that linux uses unallocated ram as a cache), i'll be watching a movie, and my ram usage will go from 40% to max in a matter of seconds...completely randomly; i've tried to duplicate the behavior with top or the system monitor open, with no luck. i want something that can di <duanedesign> hello vu1kan <vu1kan> hello duanedesign <duanedesign> i use htop instead of top. Can you sort the list in top by memory usage? <vu1kan> yes, you have to hit k or something like that, i don't recall specifically offhand <vu1kan> duanedesign: i'm sorry, i just checked the man page, and you have to use < or > untill it's sorted by the mem column <vu1kan> my bad <vu1kan> nobody else has any ideas? <pedro3005> vu1kan, http://rimuhosting.com/howto/memory.jsp maybe that can help <vu1kan> thanx, pedro3005, this looks like a good place to start...i may just set up that script at the bottom <bodhi> Anyone here running Safari ? <bodhi> Opera ? <AbhiJit> opera <AbhiJit> bodhi, yes opera <bodhi> I am try my hand at html5 <bodhi> Can you tell me, ddoes this video work ? <bodhi> http://bodhizazen.net/video/ <bodhi> sound an all ? <bodhi> TY in advance <AbhiJit> ok <AbhiJit> bodhi, first i run it then still 0:10 it runs well like video but after that it runs like slide show one photo after another like that <AbhiJit> when i run it second time it runs well stiil 0:10 everything was ok but then no sound still 0:13 but again after 0:13 everything was ok <AbhiJit> and when i run third time the whole moveis played very well <AbhiJit> bodhi, sound goes off randomly <bodhi> TY <bodhi> The content need to dl before it will play smoothly <bodhi> At least it "worked" <AbhiJit> yah <bodhi> writing html5 video means you need to write code for each browser (kind of a pain) <AbhiJit> hmm <bodhi> that page works in chromium, chrome, and firefox 4 beta <bodhi> sound does not work for me in firefox 3.6.x <AbhiJit> i see <bodhi> You can "fall back" to flash or Java, but that kind of defeats the point , IMO' <bodhi> and it does not work at all for IE <AbhiJit> hmm <johnny77> I'm looking to dual boot ubuntu with windows. I currently have windows installed with Ubuntu installed using Wubi. All the documentation I see talks about partitioning the drive, but I was thinking of installing ubuntu on a removable ssd. Is this possible? <AbhiJit> johnny77, ssd? <AbhiJit> you mean sd card? <johnny77> yes... it's also called a solid slate drive right? <ibuclaw> AbhiJit, solid state. :-) <AbhiJit> dunno <AbhiJit> johnny77, but you can install ubuntu on usb drive and sd card also <AbhiJit> sd card is one used in digi cams <ibuclaw> johnny77, ssd is not different <ibuclaw> *to installing on a normal hard disk <johnny77> but all the documentation talks about partitioning. How do I install without playing with the partitions. Is there a place I can just pick the other drive? <AbhiJit> johnny77, you can just select that ssd as '/' while installing ubuntu? <AbhiJit> first partition it with fat32 <johnny77> should the sd card already have a file system on it? <AbhiJit> yes <johnny77> then why do I need to partition it? <AbhiJit> : <AbhiJit> :( <AbhiJit> johnny77, you just process this card as regular hard disk and to the things like wise no difference <AbhiJit> just dont ruine your windows partition! :P <johnny77> That is what I'm worried about. <johnny77> So I basically put in the sd card, reboot my computer with the install CD or USB in. When the Ubuntu install pops up, I pick a duial boot option then pick the drive letter for the SD card. <johnny77> Is that right? <AbhiJit> johnny77, you can be sure about 'which' one is your sd card and which is yoru hdd by using gparted <AbhiJit> right <johnny77> would the ubuntu install see my hhd as C drive? <AbhiJit> no <AbhiJit> something like sda1 etc <johnny77> would it show me the size? <AbhiJit> johnny77, you can know your windows partition by looking at format type - e.g. windows will only have some fat32 or 16 or ntfs <AbhiJit> yes it will show <johnny77> would a 16g SD card be sufficient for ubuntu? <AbhiJit> yes sure <AbhiJit> min req is 4 gb <AbhiJit> of freespace i mean <johnny77> But if I want to create files in ubuntu I'd need a little space for that. <AbhiJit> yes <AbhiJit> but 16 big is sufficient for / <AbhiJit> johnny77, you may need more space only for yoru /home not for /. the '/' will be perfect in 16 gb <johnny77> i'm not sure what you just said... what is /hone /. and / ? <AbhiJit> johnny77, /home is your home directory where your main documents, music, videos, and dowloaded things stay <AbhiJit> and / knows as root partition is onw where os's system files stays e.g. installed software etc <johnny77> So basically your saying if I have a lot of document/music/whatever i might need bigger, but if I only have a few then 16gb would be ok. <AbhiJit> right <Mohan_chml> johnny77: I have a question for you. Are you an application developer? or will others be using your computer? <johnny77> no to both questions. <Mohan_chml> Cool <johnny77> why do you ask? <Mohan_chml> then you can use a common / and not /home and /boot, etc., In separate drives <Mohan_chml> AbhiJit: It will be better to continue with / and you carry on :) <AbhiJit> Mohan_chml, :D <johnny77> would I be able to access files on my HDD when I'm booted into ubuntu? <Mohan_chml> johnny77: and One more question. What is the size of your RAM? <johnny77> I'm pretty sure 1gb. <AbhiJit> johnny77, yes sure <johnny77> I've only been using ubuntu for about a week, but am really enjoying it. If it wasn't for a couple windows only programs, I'd fully switch. <Mohan_chml> johnny77: Ubuntu and other Linux Operating systems Identifies Win File formats like FAT 32 and NTFS. But M$ Will never detect Linux FIle systems. i.e, you cannot view the contents of Ubuntu in Win <Mohan_chml> AbhiJit: make him add 2 GB Swap. make sure he edits the partition correctly <AbhiJit> dinner time! <AbhiJit> :P <johnny77> i read something about the swap partition. should that be on the HHD or the SD card? <Mohan_chml> lol Okay then. I will handle this. Go and have it :P <Mohan_chml> johnny77: HDD <johnny77> so in the end I'll still have to mess with the windows partitions. <Mohan_chml> johnny77: at what stage you are?? and nope. you win partitions remain as it is. What you have to do is, get a 15 GB free space <johnny77> right now I have not started at all on the dual boot. I currently have ubuntu installed using wubi. <Mohan_chml> Nice <johnny77> Would the swap be kind of like the wubi install a 2gb section blocked off from windows? <Mohan_chml> Swap area = virtual RAM <Mohan_chml> johnny77: ready to Rock? <johnny77> sorry I can't do it right at this minute, I don't have the SD card... whated to make sure of a couple of things before I went out and bought it. <johnny77> brb <Mohan_chml> Okay :) <johnny77> back... sorry took so long. <Mohan_chml> johnny77: No worries =] <johnny77> so would the swap area be set up during the installation. * AbhiJit too back! <AbhiJit> having swap on card it self is good in the sense that you can plug that card in any usb boot enabled pc and have swap with you <Mohan_chml> AbhiJit: carry on =] <AbhiJit> also swap is mainly used for hibernation if you are not going to hibernate then swap is not that much necessary <AbhiJit> Mohan_chml, you be here too! <Mohan_chml> Ummm...! I will watch ya :D <AbhiJit> :) <johnny77> I'm really confused. I'm familiar with swap files as windows uses them, but am getting a little confused on how this works with my ubuntu dual boot. <johnny77> Is it just that I have to tell the install where to create the swap files? <Mohan_chml> !swap <ubot2> swap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq for more info <Mohan_chml> johnny77: ^ you can read about swap there ^^ <johnny77> thank you. <Mohan_chml> (: <hobgoblin> afternoon <Mohan_chml> Hiyas hobgoblin (: <hobgoblin> Mohan_chml: how's things <Mohan_chml> hobgoblin: watched Soccer, Cricket, Animatinon movie, Death race and slept. Is there any other thing to say about today? :D <johnny77> a swap partition is an actual partition on the HHD, right? <hobgoblin> are you hungry? <hobgoblin> johnny77: not necessarily <hobgoblin> depends what you want to do - do you need to suspend/hibernate? <johnny77> i don't plan to suspend/hibernate manually. I not sure if Ubuntu does it automatically after a period of inactivity. <hobgoblin> not that I know of - if you're not planning to then you could use a swap file instead of a partition <hobgoblin> if you go with a partition - as long as it is actually there then the installer will recognise and use it <johnny77> if I'm going to set up a dual boot ubuntu & windows, should I create a swap partition? I'm planning to install ubuntu on a SD card to avoid having to play with the partitions. I have 1 HHD with 1 partition. <hobgoblin> it's up to you :) <johnny77> if I created a swap partition in the HHD it would of course affect the partition windows is installed on and could loose all my data? <hobgoblin> you'd need to shrink windows first - what version windows is it? <johnny77> xp. <hobgoblin> I'd use the partition editor in the livecd then <hobgoblin> assuming you;ve data on there - backup <hobgoblin> there's always the possibility that fate decides to interven in the middle of the partitioning and turns the power off <hobgoblin> the need for swap depends on a couple of things really <johnny77> would it be just as good to create swap files on the HHD instead of a full partition? <hobgoblin> you;d need to be able to create them on a linux partition as far as I know - so you;d still be needing to partition <Mohan_chml> AbhiJit: Thing to remember: always use Ext format to install Ubuntu <AbhiJit> Mohan_chml, not for usb <hobgoblin> how much RAM do you have and what do you intend to use ubuntu for - memory intensive things or not? <hobgoblin> AbhiJit: you;ll not install ubuntu on a fat32 partition <AbhiJit> hobgoblin, unetbootin says so <hobgoblin> that's to do with the iso not an install <shahan> Google earth is not running http://paste.ubuntu.com/504611/ <johnny77> I have 1gb memory and only plan to use general computer stuff, email, Open Office, internet... etc. <johnny77> can i create the swap partition on the SD card? <hobgoblin> johnny77: then I would use a swap file - you can create it in the / afaik <johnny77> what is "/ afaik" ? <AbhiJit> johnny77, i told you <hobgoblin> johnny77: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#How%20do%20I%20add%20more%20swap? <shahan> johnny77: / means root <hobgoblin> johnny77: afaik - as far as I know and / is root - where all the install resides <johnny77> ok, i knew / meant root, but was not sure what afaik meant. <hobgoblin> johnny77: I would create a 1Gb swap file - the link I gave shows a 512Mb one only <hobgoblin> that should be sufficient - I rarely touched swap with 1Gb RAM <johnny77> and that swap file would be on the SD card right? <johnny77> and I'd create that in ubuntu after the install? <hobgoblin> yes <johnny77> ok, thank you everyone... <hobgoblin> :) * phillw waves, anyone in here used to recovering a dual boot system (windows) via a ubuntu start up usb stick? <Fanshawe> I can't get evolution to play sounds or pop up notifiers for any alarms I set on tasks, appojntments, etc. <Fanshawe> How do I do this? <Fanshawe> A little quiet this evening, I see. <stlsaint> yo yo * bobo123 goes fetching an yoyo :-) <pedro3005> hey stlsaint <pedro3005> in today's class I went over a bit of... <pedro3005> project euler! <pedro3005> >:) <stlsaint> :P <stlsaint> pedro3005: class minutes? <pedro3005> stlsaint, we started a wiki page here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Development/Academy/IntroToPython <stlsaint> awesome <bobo123> I have an avi here with multiple subtitles included in it, vlc(1.06 in ubuntu10.04) do lists the 3 subtitles in its video/subtitle-menu, but when I select any of them, no text is rendered. What can I do? <pedro3005> stlsaint, know anything about IMAP? <stlsaint> mail? <pedro3005> yeah <pedro3005> someone is asking me about configuring imap <stlsaint> in evolution or something? i really dont deal with mail all that much <pedro3005> yeah me neither <bobo123> Here is what vlc is saying when informationlevel is on 2, when I select one of the subtitles: http://pastebin.com/w1EwLeSQ <bobo123> Hm... someone said "build VLC yourself, VLC shipped by ubuntu is broken by their package maintainers.", but I'm not sure I dare to compile vlc myself, do anyone knows of a thirdparty repository with vlc in it that I can use to get a working version of vlc? #ubuntu-beginners 2010-10-03 <bobo123> no worry, I will try the ppa:ferramroberto/vlc repository mentioned at http://www.webupd8.org/2010/08/install-vlc-114-in-ubuntu-via-new-ppa.html <yax51> anyone know how to get a mic working? <AndrewMC> yax51: go to System> Sound> Input and select anything there until you see the level meter move when you talk into it <yax51> ok <yax51> nothing.... <seidos> yax51, you might try recording in audacity. but, i don't know, i haven't got recording to work either. but, i don't really have a mic except the built in mic on my notebook <yax51> well I'm trying to run skype, but I can't get the internal mic working either... <seidos> yax51, i'm not really sure how the internal mics work. i assume (er, probably mistakenly) that it is just wired to an input into the sound chip. what sound chip do you have? <yax51> realtek HD auido <yax51> audio <seidos> yax51, i would point out that when i used audacity i am given like 4 options to select what mic input to use <seidos> is that the HD Intel driver? <seidos> i think we use the same driver <yax51> I think so <seidos> in my lshw it says 82801H HD Audio controller, driver = HD Intel <yax51> how do I check and see if my comp is even detecting a mic? <seidos> yax51, well, try audacity, then see what you get. i think a mic just works by plugging into an input. unless the built in mic is a usb mic O_o. i don't know, i am speculating. <johnny77> hello. are the people that helped me this afternoon still here? <dave_> i am new to ubuntu. can anyone help with an error when i try to install macbuntu? <dave_> it says i must have root priviliges to be able to install <AbhiJit> hi <AndrewMC> !hi | AbhiJit <ubot2> Factoid 'hi' not found <AbhiJit> AndrewMC, :D <AndrewMC> uhh <AndrewMC> odd that factoid isnt there <AbhiJit> removed! <AndrewMC> ya i just learned that <Mohan_chml> lol AndrewMC <schmavis> my monitor goes to standby after booting. help. <AndrewMC> schmavis: please explain your issue more clearly so peole may be able to provide support <mR0> What app I need to be installed to get VOIP in my comp? <AbhiJit> skype <mR0> AbhiJit: as I knew, skype is only for skype registered member. I mean, I wanna app look like YM or Gtalk? is there any? <AbhiJit> mR0, you can use gmail itself to call anywhere in world <AbhiJit> us to us is free in gmail <mR0> Ok, I'll try... Thnks for ur info...:) <b_> I just installed Pinguy OS +1-226-633-4109. Immediately after booting, my monitor goes into standby. <b_> I updated the video card drivers using the live cd, but it did not help. <mR0> I've searched on http://www.google.com/talk/otherclients.html, but there is no linux client <Mohan_chml> b_: you sure that your CPU is running? <Mohan_chml> when the monitor is in stand-by ? <b_> Yes, I can hear the start up sound <mR0> Mohan_chml: mb the screen resolution <Mohan_chml> mR0: yeah may be <Mohan_chml> b_: you are using Dual boot? <b_> ya <b_> with windows 7 <Mohan_chml> can you see the boot screen? <b_> yes. the monitor goes standby after selecting ubuntu in grub <Mohan_chml> get into recovery mode and look for re configuring x-server <Mohan_chml> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg that will do I think <b_> monitor went into standby in recovery mode <Mohan_chml> pedro3005: help b_ in edot xorg screen resolution in Live CD. I will brb <Mohan_chml> breakfast <Mohan_chml> edit* <earthling_> Evince no longer opens PDFs, it says opening for a few seconds and then nothing, how to fix? <earthling_> now its working, there was an update that needed installing, apparently <AbhiJit> :) <earthling_> speaking of updates, will installing all the "recommended updates" slow down my computer? <earthling_> I'm trying to install just the stuff I really need <hobgoblin> earthling_: I've never had a recommended update slow my computer down <earthling_> hobgoblin, ok <earthling_> and what about installing programs from synaptic? <earthling_> there's an amazing amount of programs available :) <earthling_> I'm trying to preserve the nice speed of things I have now <hobgoblin> well I'd not install all of what is available ... <hobgoblin> earthling_: to be honest I'm not really sure what you mean by slowing down if you install something <earthling_> from my experience on a certain other operating system :) <earthling_> its nice and quick after a fresh install then over time, it becomes slow as molasses <hobgoblin> oic - well about the only thing you 'might' find is installing a kde app in gnome or a gnome app in kde etc <hobgoblin> I'd not worry too much - linux is not windows <earthling_> I'm using gnome, but I'd like to try kde and xfce <hobgoblin> and you can say the name here - we don't bite :) <earthling_> hehe ok <hobgoblin> earthling_: then I suggest looking at http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index.php - left pane at the bottom(ish) Playing around <earthling_> thx <hobgoblin> I've done it - it WILL mean you get a massive menu as each app will be duplicated <hobgoblin> depending on your system - RAM mostly - you might find it more beneficial to install each in a virtrual machine <earthling_> ok, I'll look into that <earthling_> thx,bbl <mxe5> What would be the best app to use to clone my hard drive to make a backup to another hard drive - running gnome 10.4 ? ? <hobgoblin> mxe5: try clonezilla http://www.clonezilla.org/ also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DriveImaging <LeAstrale> Piskie!? <LeAstrale> hobgoblin, Long time no see :) How are you? <hobgoblin> VIKINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG <hobgoblin> how's things LeAstrale <LeAstrale> <3 <LeAstrale> Well things are good :) Join the team channel for some chatting? <hobgoblin> lol - don't go there much - only just rejoined the team :) <LeAstrale> Well :) If I guess correctly we aren't supposed to chat regular in here :) <hobgoblin> this is the help channel - not like it used to be <Fanshawe> Evolution doesn't notify me of alarms. Can anyone tell me how I fix this? <Fanshawe> I guess we're dead today, but I had another question, also. How do I start a program with high priority? <phillw> !nice | Fanshawe <ubot2> Fanshawe: 'Nice' is a property of a process that determines how willing it is to give CPU time to other processes. A higher value makes it more likely to give away time. A negative value makes it less likely. Values are from -19 to 19, with 0 being the default. For more information, type 'man nice' at a terminal. <phillw> is that what you mean? <Fanshawe> Yeah. I'd like to start a specific process with a lower nice value (higher priority). <Fanshawe> My media player stutters, so I figure that might help. <hobgoblin> likely to be nothing to do with it at all I would have thought <Fanshawe> Then what would help? <hobgoblin> what player is it? have you installed all the codecs? what sort of media is it? does it do it all the time? <Fanshawe> I use VLC. Codecs are good as far as I know. They're mp3 files, and the player always stutters for a few seconds at the beginning of each song. A bit of a frustration. <phillw> Fanshawe: I don't know which media player you're using, but http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=883660 will give you a bit of information that should apply to them all. <phillw> ahh, vlc - yeah, it's quite good. if you're struggling with cpu time, you may want to give deadbeef a try; it is less resource hungry for playing mp3s <hobgoblin> vlc includes codecs as far as I know - so if you played 2 mp3's there'd be a stutter followed by normal then stutter again ? <Fanshawe> Yeah, it's at the start of each track. I've turned off all album art/tag downloading. <hobgoblin> is it only vlc that gives the issue? <Fanshawe> I'll look into deadbeef, but I do like vlc. I believe it's only vlc doing this, although I can't remember the last media player I had before that. <hobgoblin> lol - I can't remember the last time I used vlc :) <Fanshawe> I'm open to recommendations for other players, but I'd like to try and get this working first <hobgoblin> what does top say when vlc is running? I'd start there - but maybe it is resources. <hobgoblin> which is all getting away from your original query which I've noidea about - never needed to renice something <mR0> Hi all: what app I need to install to get gmail & yahoo on my comp for VOIP? <shredder12> mR0, do you mean audio calling feature of gmail chat? <shredder12> hi Mohan_chml <mR0> shredder12: yes gmail & yahoo <Mohan_chml> Heya shredder12 <shredder12> mR0, you can try either empathy or Pidgin IM client. I don't use VoIP often but I guess they work fine. Empathy is the default messaging client in Lucid btw <mR0> thanks shredder12, I'll try <shredder12> mR0, :) <mR0> shredder12: how to enabling voice call on empathy? <Fanshawe> Just checking back in to say I fixed the VLC stuttering problem. <Fanshawe> It was purely a software problem. Audio output module needs to be changed from autodetect to ALSA. <Fanshawe> thanks for the help all <shredder12> mR0, once you have enabled the account, right click on any icon on the buddy list. You should see the option for audio/video call <mR0> shredder12: yes it is, but audio & video calls is unable. What it tells about? <shredder12> mR0, i haven't use audio calling for a while, let me try it out <mR0> oke shredder12 <shredder12> mR0, it works fine on my system. I initiated an audio call, my friend accepted it and it worked fine <mR0> shredder12: or mb my friends doesn't use video & audio calls. Is that posible? <shredder12> mR0, may be, I am not sure. If they have accepted the call, you should the the time counter at the left bottom of the window. <mR0> yes i think so... they doesn't use it I guess <shredder12> i guess so <johnny77> I created a ubuntu netbook usb drive, but for some reason I can't get it to boot off of it. I tried changing my boot order, putting my HDD last, but it still won't boot. any ideas? <Mohan_chml> johnny77: is it 10.10?? <johnny77> no, I think the version is 10.04 <hobgoblin> what happens exactly - easier for you to tell us than for us to guess ;) <johnny77> I shut down windows. insert my SD card where I installed the Ubuntu netbook usb files. then when I power back on, it boots directly to windows. <Mohan_chml> Heya hobgoblin (: <hobgoblin> johnny77: I'd guess that you have no bootloader installed <hobgoblin> hi Mohan_chml <johnny77> I thought that is what I was doing when I put the ubuntu on the USb drive. <Mohan_chml> johnny77: try pressing f12 at startup to get boot options listed. <johnny77> When I do that it gives me too options: Network or my hard drive. <johnny77> But in my bios it has 6 boot options: IDE1, IDE0, USB FDD, USB HDD, USB CD Rom, Network. <Mohan_chml> hobgoblin: I have no clue as I never tried with an SD card <johnny77> when I use the Universal USB installer on the ISO it should create a bootable USB drive, right? <hobgoblin> me neither - but that I think is a red herring <hobgoblin> johnny77: have you actually installed it yet? did the bootable usb run <johnny77> I created the bootable USB drive, but can't get it to boot it. <hobgoblin> oh ok - I understand <hobgoblin> did you use unetbootin? <johnny77> no, what is that? <hobgoblin> how did you create the bootable usb thing then? <hobgoblin> johnny77: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ <johnny77> on the download instructions on the Ubuntu website give me a link to a "Universal USB Installer" I used that. * hobgoblin goes to look * Mohan_chml follows hobgoblin <hobgoblin> johnny77: ok - looks similar to unetbootin - I can only go by the graphics, never having needed to use a usb <hobgoblin> johnny77: can you put the usb into a windows machine and see what files there are on it? <johnny77> yes, windows see the USB drive. <johnny77> I'm now using unetbootin to create the bootable USB drive. Then I try it... <johnny77> I also created a CD with Ubuntu netbook I can see if I can boot from. If all else fails. <hobgoblin> whay did you want to use a usb to do it with if you have a cd? <johnny77> Well, I have a netbook so there are no CD drives. I'm using a USB CD and thought that if the USB drives wouldn't boot the CD may not... Also I was creating it as we were talking. <hobgoblin> :) <johnny77> hope I'm not causing headaches :) <hobgoblin> not anymore than normal :) <johnny77> Got the USB Drive created using unetbootin. Going to reboot, if not work try CD... See you guys again, hopefully from Ubuntu. <hobgoblin> hang on - open the thing up <johnny77> open the usb drive? <hobgoblin> have a look and see what files are on the thing before you try and reboot <hobgoblin> yes <hobgoblin> open it in whatever filemanager you have <johnny77> it has files on it... they look the same as the other one... <hobgoblin> does it look sort of like http://i.imgur.com/xA5Vz.png <johnny77> yup. <hobgoblin> have a go then I guess <johnny77> ok, thanks <hobgoblin> someone else had best help if it fails - I have no idea with usb boots <Silver_Fox_> Hello. <Mohan_chml> Hello Silver_Fox_ =] <Silver_Fox_> Hello Mohan_chml , how are you ? <AbhiJit> hey Silver_Fox_ :) <hobgoblin> Silver_Fox_: o/ <Mohan_chml> Silver_Fox_: doing good and how about you? <Silver_Fox_> Hello AbhiJit . How are you ? <AbhiJit> Silver_Fox_, sleeping! <Silver_Fox_> I am fine thank you Mohan_chml , just recovering after a squash match <AbhiJit> i mean going to sleep!!!! feeling sleepy! <Mohan_chml> Ah!!! <AbhiJit> :) <Mohan_chml> lol AbhiJit :P <AbhiJit> Mohan_chml, :D <harrsonk> Does anyone here know where I can get the old screensaver of an engine? <harrsonk> the devs took it out in ubuntu 9.10 <harrsonk> hello? <AndrewMC> !patience | harrsonk <ubot2> harrsonk: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://ubuntu.stackexchange.com <stlsaint> harrsonk: honestly the only way i would be able to help you is via google so i would only suggest you head there <johnny77> I need some major help... i tried to install dual boot ubuntu with windows and it screwed up. <johnny77> now i can't get windows or ubuntu... it boots up and says "grub>" in a black dos-like screen <johnny77> I tried to install Ubuntu netbook on a SD card, but while the instalation saw the SD card, the bootloader can not find it. <johnny77> I thought if I could rewrite the bootloader by reinstalling Ubuntu, but installing it on the HD with windows, but it did not give me the option any more. <johnny77> It showed that I had two OS already, one being only 5gb the other is where my windows is installed. I'm thinking that the 5gb is a swap partition. Since I'm dead in the water, any advice would be greating appreciated. <johnny77> be back on it a few minutes.. <johnny77> I'm up and around, but leaving chat open and checking on it. If you have any suggestion just let me know. And I'll see them the next time I check. Thank you. <johnny77> I need some major help... i tried to install dual boot ubuntu with windows and it screwed up. <johnny77> now i can't get windows or ubuntu... it boots up and says "grub>" in a black dos-like screen <johnny77> I tried to install Ubuntu netbook on a SD card, but while the instalation saw the SD card, the bootloader can not find it. <johnny77> I thought if I could rewrite the bootloader by reinstalling Ubuntu, but installing it on the HD with windows, but it did not give me the option any more. <johnny77> It showed that I had two OS already, one being only 5gb the other is where my windows is installed. I'm thinking that the 5gb is a swap partition. Since I'm dead in the water, any advice would be greating appreciated. <johnny77> can anyone help me with a messed up dual boot? <johnny77> tried to install a dual boot, but upon booting it falls into grub rescue command line. Can anyone help? #ubuntu-beginners 2010-10-04 <johnny77> I tried to install Ubuntu netbook in a dual boot. Something went wrong, now when I boot I end up with a grub rescue command line. Can anyone help? <AndrewMC> johnny77: try #ubuntu <johnny77> ok, thanks. <pablo22> I cannot connect to WPA or WEP Routers with 10.04. Suggestions? Advice? <_schism_> evening all <_schism_> how do I buy music through ubuntu one in 9.10? <johnny77> I was able to remove the grub and boot into windows. Is it hard to fix the partitions? <johnny77> how do I run gparted from the live CD? <AbhiJit> hi <sebsebseb> Hi <coolbhavi> sebsebseb, hey <sebsebseb> coolbhavi: Hey <mccrase90> would anyone here be able to help me get my sound drivers straightened out? <sebsebseb> !sound | probably useless, but here you go anyway mccrase90 <ubot2> probably useless, but here you go anyway mccrase90: If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !players and !mp3. <mccrase90> alright, sound preferences shows no hardware so...i messed somethin up <sebsebseb> mccrase90: Did sound work ok before? <mccrase90> yeah, but my mic wasn't working <mccrase90> i found something saying that if i switched to oss from alsa the mic would work <coolbhavi> mccrase90, do a lspci and pastebin the output please <sebsebseb> mccrase90: ok and the mic hasn't worked for you at all so far with Ubuntu? <mccrase90> not at all, no <sebsebseb> mccrase90: ok so you probably need to configure it <sebsebseb> good luck with that <mccrase90> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] RS780 Host Bridge <mccrase90> 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Device 9602 <mccrase90> 00:05.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] RS780 PCI to PCI bridge (PCIE port 1) <mccrase90> 00:07.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] RS780 PCI to PCI bridge (PCIE port 3) <mccrase90> 00:09.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] RS780 PCI to PCI bridge (PCIE port 4) <mccrase90> 00:11.0 SATA controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 SATA Controller [AHCI mode] <mccrase90> 00:12.0 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 USB OHCI0 Controller <mccrase90> 00:12.1 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700 USB OHCI1 Controller <mccrase90> 00:12.2 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 USB EHCI Controller <mccrase90> 00:13.0 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 USB OHCI0 Controller <mccrase90> 00:13.1 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700 USB OHCI1 Controller <mccrase90> 00:13.2 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 USB EHCI Controller <mccrase90> 00:14.0 SMBus: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 SMBus Controller (rev 3a) <mccrase90> 00:14.1 IDE interface: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 IDE Controller <sebsebseb> !pastebin | mccrase90 <ubot2> mccrase90: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. <mccrase90>
{'channel': 'ubuntu-beginners', 'month': 10}