#ubuntu-scientists 2014-06-03
<Aleo> Hello Belkinsa.
<Aleo> I finished v.2.0.   Please revise.   Maybe we can go live with this version.
<Aleo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/aleolivat/sandbox
<Aleo> Cheers
#ubuntu-scientists 2014-06-12
<belkinsa> akshmakov, hey.  You missed the session but we have the video
<akshmakov> UTC messed me up again
<akshmakov> sorry about that
<belkinsa> It's cool.
<akshmakov> Just for introductions Im at UCSF and UCB, and to development on open source projects for my work here
<akshmakov> Hence my interest in the scientist group
<belkinsa> Cool, maybe you can join the team
<akshmakov> Perhaps, depends on what needs to be done
<akshmakov> And if I can help with that
<akshmakov> what is the best way to get in contact with the group?
<belkinsa> The LP team's mailing-list, you need to join
<belkinsa> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-scientists
<akshmakov> Done
<belkinsa> Thanks fellow comrade :)
<akshmakov> I am both interested in contributing to the project as well as reaching out for inclusion on behalf of our projects here
<belkinsa> Cool.
 * belkinsa is trying to multitask
<belkinsa> I'm in the track summaries Hangout
<akshmakov> Its ok, we can migrate discussion to email for less on-the-spot
<belkinsa> Sure.
<akshmakov> Oh, I can move to the hangout
<akshmakov> one sec
<akshmakov> a link would be swell
<belkinsa> You can't join it, it's only for the leads
<belkinsa> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1406/meeting/22309/closing-plenary-and-track-summaries/
<akshmakov> Just figured that out, I'm watching the stream
<akshmakov> Anyway, selling ubuntu to scientists is something I do daily, I would love to help you guys out
<belkinsa> Way cool!
<akshmakov> We will keep in touch through the team list, I'll be around.
<belkinsa> Alright, thanks again.
<akshmakov> coffee time, goodbye, sorry for missing the hangout.
<belkinsa> Its' cool.
#ubuntu-scientists 2014-06-16
<Aleo> Hello.  I am not sure what to do next.   After the edits in my sandbox, should I write an email  and get everyone's opinion on the wiki
<Aleo> Or, should I make the changes in the wiki, and ask everyone by email to contribute the edits directly
<Aleo> Also, I read you had excellent UDS congratulations.
#ubuntu-scientists 2014-06-17
<barsook> Test
<belkinsa> Heard ya, barsook!
<barsook> Prefect.  All in order.
#ubuntu-scientists 2014-06-18
<akshmakov> @belkinsa I thought I might catch you here
<akshmakov> I was just wondering what I could help with on the project
<akshmakov> I'm not particularly good at wiki work, but I have experience with software packages in varying fields
<akshmakov> I was thinking about writing up how to set up an OpenCL compute environment in ubuntu, and basic library usage to solve large computational problems
<belkinsa> akshmakov, I can help you with the markup but the not info that will go on the page.
<akshmakov> I was more wondering what would be the most helpful thing to start with
<belkinsa> Oh, I guess an introduction on what it is then the steps on setting it up.
<belkinsa> And I guess you could check if there is already a page on it in the wiki.
#ubuntu-scientists 2014-06-19
<belkinsa> o/ akshmakov, are you free?
#ubuntu-scientists 2014-06-20
<Aleo> Hey belkinsa - Thank you for the help with the wiki pages.   Excellent as always.
<belkinsa> Not a problem, sorry for changing up the format of the homepage.
<belkinsa> Most team wiki page home pages are like that.
<Aleo> I like it better now.   Thank you!
<belkinsa> Not a problem.
<belkinsa> Aleo, you think we need a translation bit on the home page so people can translate our pages?
<Aleo> sure, Japanese, Spanish?
<belkinsa> Russian, French, German, Swiss are four others
<Aleo> uuuuu, you win.
<belkinsa> :d
<Aleo> Actually, if we can discuss it for a while
<belkinsa> No, I don't speak those.  I was just listing them.
<Aleo> what would be the purpose of having any other language?
<belkinsa> For the non-English speakers or the ones with weak English, so they can understand what we do.
<Aleo> encourage participation.   Sounds good, but do you think it will lead to having different groups doing different things
<Aleo> ?
<belkinsa> I think not, but the main issue is within the mailing-list, most of us (right now) can speak English well and I think English is more accepted in mailing-lists in most of the teams here.
<Aleo> I think it is a great idea, however we would need to keep a universal language for coordinating our efforts
<belkinsa> +1
<Aleo> let's try one or two language "branches"
<Aleo> and see what happens
<belkinsa> Sure.
<Aleo> sounds like an experiment.  Let's call English language Control, haha
<belkinsa> lol
<belkinsa> Maybe Spanish is one of the branches.
<Aleo> We would need to do different mailing list just in case it is too confusing.
<belkinsa> We could but that might get too messy.
<Aleo> yes, actually.   Translation in the same email?
<belkinsa> Too messy too.
<belkinsa> I need to look at other teams and hjow they do it.
<belkinsa> how*
<Aleo> Is there precedent of a group handling different languages at the same time?
<Aleo> I would like to research that too.
<belkinsa> I don't know
<Aleo> let's try to find out.  Give me some time.   I will reply again before going to sleep today.
<Aleo> About an hour.
<belkinsa> Okay, I have other work to do and I still need to dress for the day
<akshmakov> @belkinsa yes I am free, just got to work
<akshmakov> I know that was last night, I leave this window open at work
<belkinsa> You just can use belkinsa, not with @.  Ah, I see.  Our next meeting is next Friday at 1900 UTC.
<belkinsa> Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists/Meetings/Agenda/06282014
<belkinsa> Aleo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations
<Aleo> Thank you, I have been zstrickland@example.net.   I have not been able to find double language mailing list in any group yet.
<Aleo> How do you make red letter, by the way.
<belkinsa> You have x-chat, right?
<Aleo> yes
<belkinsa> It's highlighting when someone types in your name.
<belkinsa> Easiest way to type in a name in the channel, if the person is there, is to type in the first letter of the name in lower case and press tab to get it.
<Aleo> ah, so when I write your name it makes it red.   Even though I do not see it.
<Aleo> ah, ok
<Aleo> got it
<belkinsa> Yup.
<belkinsa> Aleo
<Aleo> belkinsa,
<Aleo> haha
<belkinsa> Yup
<Aleo> Ok, I will keep looking at the info.   I am asking at the ubuntu translator  irc channel
<belkinsa> Alright, thanks for your help.  Should this be added to the agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists/Meetings/Agenda/06282014
<belkinsa> You can add your own notes there if you want
<belkinsa> Just don't forget to @SIG@ after the notes for an item
<Aleo> what is @SIG@?
<belkinsa> A moinmoin wiki function that allows you to timestamp something
<belkinsa> Example, "This is comming from http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1406/meeting/22241/community-1406-ubuntu-dubuntu-scientists/UOS, I was think about roles like founder, deputies (if needed), go-to-people for program related questions (see here), ect. -- belkinsa 2014-06-20 08:37:14 "
<belkinsa> That belkinsa 2014-06-20 08:37:14 is the stamp
<Aleo> All of it is manually written?
<belkinsa> No, it does it for you when you submit changes on a wiki page with @SIG@
<belkinsa> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/FAQ#How_can_I_edit_a_wiki_page.3F
<Aleo> Ok, I understood.  I will do as you say.   Thank you again
<belkinsa> Not a problem.
<belkinsa> Oh, you may also add items to the agenda but you can just mark your name on them but I want notes to be @SIG@ 'd.
<akshmakov> belkinsa is something like this useful?
<akshmakov> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/akshmakov/sandbox/Packaging
<akshmakov> I'm writing up some other topics I've been working with recently, OpenCL at the moment
<belkinsa> akshmakov, you know there might be a page already like this one.
<akshmakov> I found that the existing pages are either outdated or present innefficient solutions
<belkinsa> Are you fixing them because it's useful to get them up to date.
<akshmakov> Its mainly a reference for myself
<akshmakov> They are not so much out of date, just scattered references on individual tools
<belkinsa> I see, but make sure after you are done, you place the final copy on the wiki page of that program.
<akshmakov> Out of date was in reference to OpenCL
<akshmakov> The point of the page was how to package custom software, which can be very useful in a scientific setting
<belkinsa> I see.
<akshmakov> Especially when you build your own forks of libraries and want to use them on your system
<belkinsa> We could point that final product to our resources page
<akshmakov> It can take months to get changes to get approved upstream
<akshmakov> and even longer before they get incorporated into debian/ubuntu
<belkinsa> Indeed.
<belkinsa> I think we have a debian guy in our team
<akshmakov> I am indirectly involved with neurodebian myself
<belkinsa> https://launchpad.net/~ghisvail is the guy
<akshmakov> Yes, he emailed me when I introduced myself on the email list asking for some details on my experience
<belkinsa> Ah, I see.
<akshmakov> The utility of explaining this to users is it can allow for quick testing and distribution of in house software
<akshmakov> I write a script for my lab that lets them use equipment X
<akshmakov> I can have it on the lab repo within a day
<akshmakov> They can use it in the meantime while I deal with having it merged upstream
<akshmakov> If there is even a project to merge it with
<belkinsa> I see, I think bringing it up to the next meeting might be pointless at this time, maybe the next one?  We only have two developers (I think) and I think the rest of us are non-developers.
<akshmakov> I briefly explained to ghisvail my philosophy on getting labs to use open source software
<belkinsa> Wait...
 * belkinsa faceplams
<belkinsa> That's a goal of our team.
<belkinsa> That could be brought up in the next one.
<akshmakov> you have to make it easy, and for labs this means someone needs to take the torch in management
<akshmakov> >I think the rest of us are non-developers
<belkinsa> Good point.
<belkinsa> And leadership is needed also.
<akshmakov> Thats ok, the whole point is utilizing the technical users in a lab/group and make it as easy as possible to share their work with their colleagues
<Aleo> akshmakov, I look forward to reading whatever you write and lear from it.
<Aleo> belkinsa, I am going to sleep.  I could not find any team that handles double language in the mailing list.  I will write it as a discussion item for the next meeting.
<belkinsa> Aleo, sure thing.
<belkinsa> Slaapwel, Aleo.
<belkinsa> Sleep well*
<Aleo> See you!
<akshmakov> I can bring it up in terms of input, I think it is very difficult to give a lab a single cd image of an ubuntu that works for everyone
<belkinsa> Sure.
<akshmakov> Instead my personal opinion is about teaching the technical users in the lab how to set up an efficient lab ecosystem for linux and ubuntu specifically
<akshmakov> Of course, there is still a lot of overlap between users, say everyone in a math group will need to use Mathematica
<akshmakov> In my experience it has been a lot easier to get people to use linux when you show how much simpler it is than managing a windows system
<akshmakov> But if both systems require you to fiddle around with compiling packages or broken installers or out of date software
<akshmakov> stick with the devil you know is the general attitude
#ubuntu-scientists 2014-06-25
<Bruce__> hello
<belkinsa> o/ Bruce__
<Bruce__> yo
<belkinsa> I'm asking the channel owner to invite you to his channel to train you on the bot
<Bruce__> ah ok
<Bruce__> how are you today?
<belkinsa> I'm fine, I got some Ubuntu related stuff done
<belkinsa> Bruce__, join #phillw
<Bruce__> alright
<belkinsa> type in /j #phillw
#ubuntu-scientists 2014-06-26
<belkinsa> o/ Aleo!
<Aleo> belkinsa,
<Aleo> hello
<belkinsa> How are you?
<Aleo> Doing well.   Almost finishing this week.   And you?
<belkinsa> I'm well, myself.  I'm just trying to do some wiki page clean up for the Ubuntu Leadership Team since it was inactive since 2011 and I rebooted the team.
<Aleo> You are very active, how to do you multitask?
<belkinsa> Not all of the teams that I am a part of have tasks for me do to at the same time as another team.  In fact, most of the teams are quite quiet, many folks are inactive or they simply have no time to do anything Ubuntu (team) related.
<belkinsa> Most of the IRC channels that I in at the moment are quite too.
<belkinsa> quiet*
<belkinsa> I guess I could say that I don't code so I don't really get to do anything that hard either.
<belkinsa> Though leading and managing teams can be zstrickland@example.net.
<Aleo> Yes, it is a big responsibility.
<Aleo> Are you in US?   Which part?
<Aleo> Early morning?
<belkinsa> Eastern, so yup, early morning if call 9:35 early.
<belkinsa> Well, Midwest.
<Aleo> It is 22:37 so 13 hours difference
<belkinsa> Yup, I was thinking a 12 hour one but I guess it's 13.  I figured that out when I traded Pokemon on  Pokemon 4th gen game over the WiFi that Japan was sleeping when I posted a offer and they made offers at my night time.
<Aleo> Hehe, it is hard to to business on opposite sides of the planet
<belkinsa> Indeed, and everyone says in the time in UTC.
<belkinsa> And everything is aways around the UTC, UTC +1, UTC +2, UTC +3 times, never the opposite. It's always Europe people that can almost make it everything not the Americas
<Aleo> Indeed
<Aleo> That is something that need fixing.
<belkinsa> Agreed.  And I know that this been talked about twice in the last two vUDS's.
<Aleo> What is your suggestion?
<belkinsa> I guess one way to fix that is to do this via your LoCo and have some one e-mail a summary to the team's mailing-list on what was talked about, if possible.
<belkinsa> But this assumes that your LoCo has two or more people from that team.
<Aleo> It seems reasonable.   It would be like doing a request through the embassy on your behalf.
 * belkinsa nods
<belkinsa> But I  think the LoCo's are somewhat dying, maybe in US but maybe in other countries.
<Aleo> I do not have that much information on LoCo's activities.   But actually having them act as a centralized figure could actually invigorate them.
<belkinsa> The LoCo council has those figures.
<Aleo> What would you suggest to jumpstart the sleeping LoCo's? or do you think it is a lost cause?
<belkinsa> I don't know, I bet some of those LoCo's don't even have a Point of Contact/Leader.  Maybe it has lost it's cause, at least in US.
<Aleo> That would be terrible.
<Aleo> In my case I will try to participate moe in the Japanes LoCo
<belkinsa> Yeah.
<belkinsa> \o/
<Aleo> *Japanese
<Aleo> for me the barrier has been the language, but I am confident now.   They did a very big release party for 14.04
<belkinsa> Usually, that is the best place to start then you can move on to something large.
<Aleo> 200 people, free food, free beer, conferences
<belkinsa> Nice.
<Aleo> Yes.   I also need to learn a lot.
<belkinsa> I think I saw that blog post on the Planet.
<belkinsa> Aleo, on what?  The Ubuntu Community and how things are done here?
<Aleo> Yes, a couple of people posted about it
<Aleo> I want to learn about how the Japanese community works for a cycle.
<belkinsa> Ah, I see.
<Aleo> Where do they need help, who are the people involved, etc
<belkinsa> Good move.
<belkinsa> Maybe after six months of your work, you could apply to the Ubuntu Membership.
<Aleo> They did the release party on the building owned by a Kddi which is a Japanese telecom
<Aleo> I would love that
<Aleo> I will try to do it next year.
<Aleo> I am planning to write a blog about daily life from a scientific point of view
<belkinsa> Cool.  You have a blog?
<Aleo> of course using Ubuntu as the main tool.
<Aleo> No, not yeat
<Aleo> yet
<Aleo> I had one, but I stopped writing on it, when I started the PhD
<Aleo> I want to start a new one using ghost blogging platform
<Aleo> My plan is starting August
<belkinsa> Ah, I see.  Wordpress.com is nice too.
<Aleo> Yes, I like wordpress it can do anything.   I just like the "newness" and the challenge of using a new platform.
<belkinsa> Ah, I see.
<Aleo> Ok, time to sleep see you next time.   Have an excellent day!
<belkinsa> Thanks, you too. Slaapwel.
<wligtenberg> Hi
<wligtenberg> Hi belkinsa
<belkinsa> Hey wligtenberg
<belkinsa> Ready to be trained?
<wligtenberg> Yep
<belkinsa> join #phillw
<belkinsa> The bot is there.
#ubuntu-scientists 2014-06-27
<belkinsa> ...
#ubuntu-scientists 2014-06-28
<belkinsa> o/ wligtenberg, thanks for everthing.
<belkinsa> And if you have trouble getting permission to edit the wiki, you can ask someone in #ubuntu-doc
<wligtenberg> you are welcome belkinsa :)
<wligtenberg> I was a bit lonely :P
<belkinsa> Don't worry, you are not only one who had to run a one man meeting.
<wligtenberg> :)

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