#ubuntu-beginners 2010-04-01 <seidos> whoa, I don't get it <seidos> hehe <pedro3005> seidos, yeah <seidos> I'll read it a few more times <MadameTock> Camus = Absurdism! <pedro3005> MadameTock, camus is cool man <MadameTock> pedro3005, very much so. <pedro3005> MadameTock, :D <pedro3005> MadameTock, it is hard to read, though. maybe I just suck at philosphy <seidos> pedro3005, maybe philosophy is hard, like python <MadameTock> pedro3005, maybe I have read too much :p <seidos> MadameTock, are you the Oracle? <tenach> Philosophy is harder than Python :P <pedro3005> seidos, it's a basic logic game. If we say everything is true, we are saying that a statement which conditions itself as false being true, thus a contradiction <MadameTock> seidos, I have been accused of such in the past :p <pedro3005> seidos, if we say all is false, our own affirmation is false. <seidos> MadameTock, tricky. perhaps accusations are enough to make one the Oracle <MadameTock> Camus' whole point was that reality is beyond the grasp of human consciousness, but not beyond logic, wasn't it? <pedro3005> and if we nit-pick, that is, affirm that only ours or only ours affirmation and its opposite is true, we still need to affirm an infinite number of statements <seidos> pedro3005, I don't get it. I suck at philosophy worse than you :) <MadameTock> seidos, so I have heard. I guess that being the Oracle isn't so bad. <seidos> MadameTock, I like cookies <pedro3005> MadameTock, he indeed say (at least, I believe) that reality is beyond our grasp. <pedro3005> It is not the world that is absurd, nor human thought: the absurd arises when the human need to understand meets the unreasonableness of the world, when "my appetite for the absolute and for unity" meets "the impossibility of reducing this world to a rational and reasonable principle." <MadameTock> seidos, I'll have to beam some to you <MadameTock> Ah ha! <pedro3005> MadameTock, he is then denying science <seidos> so camus is saying reality is logical? <pedro3005> seidos, I suppose so; and I would most definitely agree with him, if he is <pedro3005> MadameTock, isn't science all about reducing the world to rational principles? <seidos> pedro3005, I'm not sure that I can affirm reality is logical <seidos> life and death are illogical when seen together, are they not? <tenach> "Science (from the Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge") is, in its broadest sense, any systematic knowledge-base or prescriptive practice that is capable of resulting in a prediction or predictable type of outcome. In this sense, science may refer to a highly skilled technique or practice." <seidos> or perhaps I'm missing the definition of logic <tenach> pedro3005, Depends on which science you are talking about. There is a science for everything. <pedro3005> seidos, it's not illogical; it is absurd! <seidos> if everyone knew all the science that there was to know, would everything become predictable? <MadameTock> Everything is possibly logical <tenach> seidos, It would become unpredictable in x predictable ways :P <MadameTock> But, we, as humans, cannot grasp that logic <pedro3005> seidos, you view it as illogical because " the absurd arises when the human need to understand meets the unreasonableness of the world" <seidos> if Everything is possibly logical then there really isn't any real hope in logic, ultimately <seidos> still gotta' die <seidos> still gotta suffer <seidos> that's why Buddhism is so attractive <MadameTock> But that does not take away existence! <seidos> it supposedly has the solution to suffering <pedro3005> tenach, ultimately, it boils down to establishing rational principles to explain the universe <tenach> pedro3005, and getting others to believe your word as fact. <MadameTock> Camus, even Sartre dismissed suicide as a viable option to escape existence <pedro3005> MadameTock, yes. and am yet to understand why <seidos> MadameTock, what about a natural death? <pedro3005> I am* <MadameTock> pedro3005, seidos, because existence of the mind, perhaps, does not stop <pedro3005> seidos, a natural death is ultimately random; it does not fit any purpose <seidos> pedro3005, random? if reality is indeed logical then it isn't random, a natural death is logical <MadameTock> And so therefore you are trapped in a loop of existence, until accepting absurdity. <seidos> but when you accept absurdity you're not free from existence, you are just accepting of it <pedro3005> seidos, random in the sense of essentially unpredictable, undefined <seidos> it's kind of like Buddhism, except Buddhism proposes escape is possible by eliminating craving <tenach> seidos, and therefore, happy. xD <tenach> (in regard to accepting absurdity) <pedro3005> there is no force controlling it, therefore essentially random * seidos thinks he should meditate <seidos> :D <seidos> it's kind of the same thing accepting the absurd and eliminating craving <pedro3005> MadameTock, did he really say that? <seidos> pedro3005, there are all kinds of forces controlling it <pedro3005> seidos, well, yes. but it is ultimately random <MadameTock> pedro3005, that is how I understand it <seidos> pedro3005, not understood doesn't necessarily mean it's random <seidos> pedro3005, in fact, with enough knowledge random things become less random <seidos> well maybe not the quantum stuff <pedro3005> seidos, I disagree <seidos> that might truly be random by its nature <seidos> this is the debate einstein had with bohr I think <seidos> does randomness truly exist? <seidos> Einstein believed in a deterministic Universe <pedro3005> seidos, if you know all the facts about the universe, you can exactly dictate the next instant; but not the one after it <seidos> I tend to lean towards that <pedro3005> randomness comes essentially with time <pedro3005> or else, every fact and every time line has been defined since the very first instance of existence <seidos> pedro3005, but if you can dictate the next instant, couldn't you dictate the one after that ad infinitum? <pedro3005> instant* <seidos> I think we found the absurd <seidos> maybe there is no answer to whether the Universe is random or deterministic <pedro3005> hm <pedro3005> MadameTock, what do you think? <seidos> good call, ask the Oracle <seidos> shhhh <seidos> I mean ask MadameTock <MadameTock> My thoughts on whether the world is random or deterministic? <pedro3005> MadameTock, yes, your thoughts on our last few messages <MadameTock> Deterministic would infer that the universe and indeed, existence, has parameters that are clearly defined. <pedro3005> seidos, duee <pedro3005> dude <pedro3005> seidos, I think this is really the absurd <MadameTock> But can we grasp the greater logic that is needed to define those parameters? <MadameTock> Can we create formulae for existence? <pedro3005> Randomness comes essentially with time, and we are trying to determine the exact instant of randomness; that is our hunger for the absolute and the unity <MadameTock> A stochastic model <MadameTock> Randomness is present, <pedro3005> MadameTock, if we theoretically could, would we be able to predict the future? <MadameTock> variables are not described by unique values, but instead by probability distribution. <MadameTock> Within reason. Within the probability parameters. <bgs100> Is it possible to predict the next state of a certain atom? <MadameTock> Ah, specifics! <MadameTock> Are you in control? Are there outside forces? <pedro3005> bgs100, there is the heisenberg uncertainty principle <MadameTock> pedro3005, seidos, I break things down in to mathematical terms a lot, when I am discussing philosophy, because for me they are quite close. Stochastic models are often compared to Deterministic models. <seidos> never heard of Stochastic models <seidos> MadameTock, is it possible for everyone to predict the future without some person ruining it for everybody through their hunger for power? <seidos> MadameTock, what are your thoughts on Buddhism? <pedro3005> Let's compare it to a tossed coin <pedro3005> It is not random; if you knew all the facts of the universe, you could calculate the side a tossed coin will fall <MadameTock> pedro3005, I do so often <MadameTock> seidos, I think that it is a valid system of belief <pedro3005> Are our actions (for instance) also essentially determinable? Meaning we would only need enough information to predict them? <bgs100> Can you predict the actions of a single bacterium? <seidos> MadameTock, Christianity? <seidos> pedro3005, I think the answer is yes <MadameTock> bgs100, if the bacterium is known and understood. <pedro3005> seidos, yes? So every choice you ever made in your life, everything you ever did, was determined before it happened? <MadameTock> pedro3005, again, if we are known and understood completely. But, you see, I think that we operate on a Stochastic base. <MadameTock> seidos, that's a tough one. At it's base, I think that Christianity is quite similar to any other religion. Achieve higher thought and existence, escape the cycle. <pedro3005> I don't view it as valid <pedro3005> It's a mere escape route of the absurd <MadameTock> pedro3005, you see, similar. Not necessarily valid. <MadameTock> So, this is what you guys talk about all day? <pedro3005> MadameTock, not at all <tenach> This is a first that I've seen it, MadameTock <pedro3005> MadameTock, well me and seidos usually talk about it <pedro3005> not openly <MadameTock> Glad you've come out of the philosophical closet <MadameTock> I was going to say, I should have joined this channel long ago. :p <pedro3005> MadameTock, probably won't last. someone is bound to bitch about how this isn't support and demand us go elsewhere <Bodsda> pedro3005: this 'is' a support channel <Bodsda> hey tenach <MadameTock> Uh ohs. <tenach> Hello Bodsda <MadameTock> pedro3005, we're in trouble. :p <Bodsda> MadameTock: quite the opposite <Bodsda> tenach: how goes you? * bgs100 never knew there was a ##philosophy channel. <tenach> Bodsda, I'm doing pretty good, MadameTock here just made a bunch of baked goodies. :) <seidos> pedro3005, we can go to #ubuntu-beginners-team <Bodsda> tenach: sounds good to me - cookies make the world go round <tenach> Indeed they do, Bodsda <Nose_Pick> I like making baked goods <tenach> How about yourself? How goes you? <Nose_Pick> Infused with THC! <pedro3005> seidos, no way in hell! <Bodsda> tenach: not bad, went to the hospital today <pedro3005> Nose_Pick, :o <tenach> Bodsda, good or bad visit? <Bodsda> tenach: I have pictures of my baby :) <tenach> Bodsda, very good then, I see! <Nose_Pick> Good vibes pedro <Bodsda> yeah, 13 weeks and 5 days <Bodsda> well, 6 days now <seidos> Nose_Pick, my experience with THC resulted in psychosis <Bodsda> tenach: just to check, have you signed the ubuntu CoC? <tenach> Bodsda, several times, since I never remember how to recover a gpg key :( <Bodsda> guys, sorry to be a downer, but can we keep that sort of discussion out of this channel please. If you want to discuss the affects of drugs, it can be done elsewhere or in PM <Bodsda> tenach: lol, good stuff <pedro3005> Nose_Pick, indeed <Nose_Pick> Agreed <pedro3005> seidos, maybe that's why you're so crazy nowadays <pedro3005> :P <running_rabbit07> Would leaving the CMOS jumper on clear while booting cause damage to a system? <Bodsda> tenach: just saving the wiki page, everything is in place for your nominatiosn at the next meeting <seidos> pedro3005, there's no doubt in my mind that it was a mitigating factor. THC affects the brain in mysterious ways <pedro3005> running_rabbit07, I suppose not.. that would be a huge designing flaw <Bodsda> running_rabbit07: no, but the jumper is used to reset CMOS/BIOS settings <pedro3005> seidos, it's not permanent <Bodsda> seidos: seriuosly, not in this channel <running_rabbit07> ok, there is a psycho posting for people to do that to get rid of root kits <running_rabbit07> in UF <Bodsda> running_rabbit07: link please <seidos> Bodsda, roger <Bodsda> thank you <collinp> Guys, could we please move general chatter to #ubuntu-beginners-team ? <running_rabbit07> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9057647#post9057647 <Bodsda> running_rabbit07: what was the name of the user who posted this? <running_rabbit07> ricyaun <Bodsda> running_rabbit07: as these posts are so long, could you give me the post number, otherwise i'm gonna read the whole thread, which takes a while :) <running_rabbit07> #25 <Bodsda> running_rabbit07: excellent, thank you <running_rabbit07> anytime <tenach> Weird, my gnome session logged me out after I walked away. <Bodsda> tenach: it was clearly lonely and trying to make a statement <tenach> Bodsda, apparently so <Bodsda> running_rabbit07: it doesnt seem that he is telling people to leave the jumper on, but he is saying that is what he did <running_rabbit07> ok <running_rabbit07> I am sure if anyone sees it, they'll see my post below it and think twice before trying it. Thanks for ihodge@example.net. <Bodsda> running_rabbit07: I would be inclined to let the thread die. It does not seem to be very active and to be honest, I think his problems with booting a livecd were not related to this apparent rootkit. <Bodsda> This is before mentioning that if you managed to write code to the bios/cmos you would have to flash it, and afaik a jumper reset would not clear this 'upgrade' <dronkot> Hello! <pedro3005> hello dronkot <dronkot> I have a question. <pedro3005> dronkot, what is it? <dronkot> I have Karmic Koala. And i tried to update to 10.04. I tried <collinp> Ubuntu 10.04 is still pre-release software - it shouldn't show up as a release until it's release date. <collinp> os[Linux 2.6.32-16-generic i686] distro[Ubuntu "lucid" 10.04] cpu[1 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.80GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.79GHz] mem[Physical: 1002.0MB, 30.3% free] disk[Total: 55.0GB, 44.1% free] video[nVidia Corporation NV44A [GeForce 6200]] sound[ICH - Intel 82801BA-ICH2] <collinp> ^ <3 that script <seidos> what kernel does karmic use? <dronkot> I have Karmic Koala. And i tried to update to 10.04. I tried use Synaptic software but it didn't recogniezed new stable version Ubuntu. <running_rabbit07> 2.6.30 <pedro3005> dronkot, 10.04 isn't out yet <collinp> dronkot: 10.04 isn't stable - it's still prelease/beta software. <collinp> It hasen't been officially released yet. <dronkot> How i can fix this or i need use different method to update Ubuntu to 10.04 <dronkot> How i can fix this or i need use different method to update Ubuntu to 10.04? <collinp> <pedro3005> dronkot, 10.04 isn't out yet <collinp> <collinp> dronkot: 10.04 isn't stable - it's still prelease/beta software. <collinp> <collinp> It hasen't been officially released yet. <running_rabbit07> If you are wanting to test it, then it is best to download and do a clean install. The upgrade will break your machine. <collinp> running_rabbit07: ...not really, but it can cause conflicts. <running_rabbit07> otrue <running_rabbit07> true <collinp> (I upgraded when the toolchain was initially uploaded to the repositories - when the Lucid repos were first opened for upload) <running_rabbit07> to some that equals broken <running_rabbit07> same here <running_rabbit07> in a vbox <collinp> If you don't want a busted system, don't run beta software. <running_rabbit07> very true <collinp> I don't care, since I can actually fix my system without very many problems. <running_rabbit07> I have it on my netbook, it purrs. <dronkot> Ok i got it. Thanks you a lot. Have somebody tried 10.04 unstaible release? <Bodsda> virtual machines are useful <collinp> dronkot: I've been running it since they first announced it and opened the repositories for it for package upload. <collinp> It's turning out nicely, but it still has problems. <running_rabbit07> the vbox finds some bugs but not the important ones <dronkot> Collinp do you like new version? <collinp> Yes. <Bodsda> I despise one thing in Lucid <Bodsda> no gimp! <Bodsda> one of the reasons is this - Since Windows doesnât carry any powerful image editing software as default, so no need to provide that bulky software in Ubuntu as well <Bodsda> that is disgraceful as far as I am concerned <phillw> dronkot: I've been running it as my 'main' install (production) since end of January -- I keep lots of backups, but it hasn't borked on me :-D <running_rabbit07> I use mtPaint, but it is MT of good tools <collinp> Bodsda: GIMP - and it's dependencies - are huge, and most people wont' use most of the features it provides. <collinp> s/wont'/won't <swoody> Bodsda: is the Lucid image still going to be the same size? <Bodsda> collinp: so ditch gnome for the same rason, use a lightweight WM <tenach> I hope 10.04 is a bit smaller <swoody> I wonder what they're going to fill that space with :/ <collinp> And we should probably move this discussion to #ubuntu-beginners-team ;) <Bodsda> swoody: probably <dronkot> Bodsda: You are right i agree with. Ubuntu users need this powerfull image editor!!! 118 <tenach> You can alwasy install it after you install Ubuntu. :) <tenach> *alwys <tenach> *always <collinp> "sudo apt-get install gimp" - problem solved. <Bodsda> even if they don't, not installing because windows doesnt have an equivalent is pathetic. Since when does ubuntu model its OS as a Windows replacement. - anyway, enough about gimp <collinp> No need to include it by default, you can easily install it if you want it, and it'll save a ton of install disk space. <Bodsda> I still think there are other things that waste space, OOo, Gnome, Games, Nautilus, Synaptic, rhythmbox - all of these are replaced on my system asap <Bodsda> replaced or removed <tenach> Likewise. <tenach> I started using ubuntu-minimal to install it on my machines. <tenach> *machine <tenach> or ubuntu server <collinp> <collinp> And we should probably move this discussion to #ubuntu-beginners-team ;) <collinp> And I'll brb - gotta reboot. <Bodsda> night guys <tenach> Night <Nose_Pick> does anybody know how to stop root password being changed with the sudo command? <seidos> Nose_Pick, not typing the command? <Bodsda> I would not have thought this is possible Nose_Pick - you could remove peoples ability to sudo but im unsure about disabling changing of passwords <Nose_Pick> But if you where say ssh into a server <Nose_Pick> There would be no way too <Nose_Pick> sudo passwd root <Nose_Pick> and change <Nose_Pick> thanks bodsda <Bodsda> Nose_Pick: actually, depending on the account that you are ssh'ing too, you could change the root passwd <Bodsda> Nose_Pick: http://paste.ubuntu.com/407346/ <Bodsda> im off for the night this time * Bodsda is afk <bgs100> Night <pedro3005> hello compiledkernel <yvan300> compiledkernel, i realised that your links no longer work! <pedro3005> yvan300, thank god <yvan300> pedro3005, that ain't a good thing! <pedro3005> yvan300, you liked that links? <MadameTock> pedro3005, XD <pedro3005> MadameTock, you ever seen them? <pedro3005> it's horrible <MadameTock> Links? <MadameTock> What what? <pedro3005> MadameTock, the compiledkernel stuff <MadameTock> Hmm mm. I have not. <pedro3005> MadameTock, then don't <MadameTock> Okay, I'll try not to. <ZachK_> welcome david_vasta <running_rabbit07> there are 7 unanswered threads on the first page if anyone feels like donating a few minutes. <running_rabbit07> General Help <ZachK_> running_rabbit07: gonna just say and not do eh? <ZachK_> running_rabbit07: kidding <running_rabbit07> lol, I am trying <ZachK_> so... <ZachK_> hmmm <ZachK_> nice...there we go... <ZachK_> settings.... <running_rabbit07> lol <running_rabbit07> Some are beyond my skills to heel <ZachK_> running_rabbit07: i see <running_rabbit07> ;) <ZachK_> so..... <ZachK_> what's goin on? <running_rabbit07> is there any way to change the account name listed in the indicator on the top panel to a user's full name without changing the account name? <nomnex> Does someone uses DjVu format? is it still actual? the doc I come across on the net is fairly old (~y2006) <pedro3005> nomnex, never used it <nomnex> anyone else how uses (used) it? <nomnex> pedro3005, seems to be a popular format, but not to me either, till this day <pedro3005> nomnex, what's it for? <nomnex> archiving books with pictures or heavy graphics (same function as a .pdf but different) <running_rabbit07> nope, never tried it either <nomnex> I was wondering is DjVu was deprecated? <nomnex> okay folks, thanks for the feedback <nomnex> FIY http://djvu.sourceforge.net/ <Nose_Pick> Does anyone know an irc chan that posts RSS feeds? <tenach> Nose_Pick, what do you mean? <ibuclaw> http://xkcd.com/ <ibuclaw> <3 <Silver_Fox_> Welcome back Akos <Akos_> thx Silver_Fox_ (: <Silver_Fox_> Having trouble with IRC Akos_ ? :) <Akos_> Silver_Fox_: this nickserv thing is killing me, i can't auth to Akos, it sais it's not available atm <Silver_Fox_> Not seen that one before <Akos_> (10:22:49)[freenode] -!- Nick Akos is temporarily unavailable <Silver_Fox_> Akos_, Have a look at this: http://michielvwessem.wordpress.com/2010/02/01/irssi-freenode-nickname-temporarily-unavailable/ <Akos_> okay,i'll hump nicks now, beware :P <Akos_> Silver_Fox_: thank you, i talked to a staffer in #freenode <Silver_Fox_> Okay. <Akos> there we go (: * Silver_Fox_ bets you needed to release the nickname <Akos> yepp, that was it, release (: <Silver_Fox_> Amazing <Silver_Fox_> When is your next show Akos ? <Akos> Silver_Fox_: i dunno, maybe on saturday .. ? <Silver_Fox_> Awww <Akos> i always go online at random times, but you can listen to the shows on my blog, i always record them and post them as podcasts <Silver_Fox_> Oh, okay, that works :) * Silver_Fox_ kills ABT: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=326 <Silver_Fox_> Hehe <Silver_Fox_> Hmm, daoes just posted <Akos> ((: <Silver_Fox_> Any plans for the day Akos ? * Silver_Fox_ has seriously boring day ahead <Akos> Silver_Fox_: oh yeah, me too :P Not much, work and work .. <Silver_Fox_> :( <Silver_Fox_> Seen the google april 1st joke ? <Silver_Fox_> Akos -> http://www.google.co.uk/intl/en/landing/translateforanimals/tour.html <Akos> haha, yeah, heard about it on twitter, although i didn't check it out, i can't open links on this pc <Silver_Fox_> :( <Akos> so you're going to the US eh? (: <Silver_Fox_> Yes, I need a break <Silver_Fox_> :) <Akos> California,right? <Silver_Fox_> 3 weeks in the sun <Silver_Fox_> :) <Akos> ouh wow, sun and heat (: <Silver_Fox_> Flying May 21st <Silver_Fox_> Next month!!!! Argh!!! <Akos> Silver_Fox_: I hope you'll enjoy it (: <Akos> hi ZachK_ <Silver_Fox_> Thank you Akos <ZachK_> hi Akos <ZachK_> what's goin on ya'll? <ZachK_> freezeloud: welcome <freezeloud> ZachK_: hi :) <ZachK_> freezeloud: and how are u today? <freezeloud> ZachK_: quite well i thought <ZachK_> freezeloud: ok... <freezeloud> ZachK_: i'm ihodge@example.net... what about you <ZachK_> freezeloud: at home...no school for me... <freezeloud> ZachK_: lucky you <ZachK_> freezeloud: what school highschool or college? <freezeloud> ZachK_: college <ZachK_> freezeloud: cool <freezeloud> ZachK_: yes, if i did not have to repeat last 3 years because of lack of interest in previous study <ZachK_> freezeloud: ouch <freezeloud> ZachK_: btw. sorry, my english is not as well as i wish :) <ZachK_> freezeloud: it's fine <freezeloud> ZachK_: and what you? work? <ZachK_> freezeloud: yup <ZachK_> freezeloud: as for Ubuntu speciality I do wiki work/forums <freezeloud> ZachK_: wow, nice <ZachK_> freezeloud: my wiki page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZachK_ <ZachK_> just for peeps <freezeloud> ZachK_: ubuntu wiki and forums are greate help to anyone who use ubuntu. I spent a lot time there <freezeloud> ZachK_: btw. are you using lucid beta or still karmic? <ZachK_> freezeloud: i use karmic but right now i'm running windows vista <freezeloud> ZachK_: so you probably don't know anything about bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/535640 - lucid on laptops log you out if you close lid... I can't get ridd of it... <ZachK_> freezeloud: nope...sorry <freezeloud> ZachK_: no problem <freezeloud> ZachK_: I'm just installing new intel-gpu-tools from ppa so will see, thanks for you time :) <ZachK_> freezeloud: ok <ZachK_> hmm <Sword2318> J <Sword2318> J <nigelb> !foo <Votebot> bar <drubin> when are the votes for council supposed to be announced... or have they and I didn't get the mmeo <drubin> The poll has been announced to end Tue Apr 06 23:59 UTC 2010 <paultag> drubin: poke pokety poke poke poke <drubin> paultag: ping bong <paultag> drubin: :) <drubin> How goes in the land of down under <paultag> drubin: long thyme no chat :) <paultag> drubin: not too bad, hows ZA these days? <smee2> hello <drubin> hi smee2 <drubin> paultag: same old same old hey. <paultag> drubin: aye <smee2> can anyone suggest a good book for learning how to use the shell? <drubin> OO and the ubuntu-za website is gone <paultag> drubin: why? <drubin> smee2: what exactly do you want to do in the shell <paultag> smee2: Humm. Not really. I can find you online manuals, though <smee2> learn how to write simple scripts i guess. i'm pretty new. <drubin> smee2: do you mean to make scripts or just learn which commands do what? <drubin> smee2: Ah that answers my question <smee2> drubin: i did some tutorials that pretty much covered some basic commands, but i'd like to learn a little more. but something that explains things well <smee2> paultag: online manuals would be great. i just want something targeted to a newer user with basic programming skills <smee2> i saw a couple of books on amazon: <smee2> A Practical Guide to Linux(R) Commands, Editors, and Shell ProgrammingÂ <paultag> smee2: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ <smee2> Sams Teach Yourself Shell Programming in 24 Hours <paultag> smee2: anything that says you can program in 24 hours is lying to you <drubin> smee2: that one that paultag linked is decent <paultag> smee2: I learned much of what I can do now from that <paultag> oh gee thanks drubin ;) <smee2> drubin, paultag: would that be too advanced for a beginner? <drubin> smee2: I don't think so <paultag> smee2: no way <smee2> drubin, paultag: ok. when linux is concerned, i try to stay away from anything that says 'advanced' <smee2> drubin, paultag: thanks a lot. i'll go get started on that now. <paultag> smee2: :) <paultag> smee2: let us know how it goes <smee2> sounds good. thanks! <paultag> :) <drubin> smee2: also google for command line fu <smee2> drubin: nice, thanks. that looks pretty useful <drubin> smee2: also trailing the forums can be cool. #ubuntu-beginners 2010-04-02 <mongoosedog> hey guys my sound has stops working, on all applications, the speakers are switched on and it's not muted what could be the problem <slick666> hmmmmm <slick666> to be honest there are some things I can't get working without going into alsamixer <slick666> are you familiar with that? <mongoosedog> no <mongoosedog> i also been getting this when i run media tomb <mongoosedog> Firefox can't establish a connection to the {{EMAIL+PHONE}}:49152. <mongoosedog> <mongoosedog> <mongoosedog> <mongoosedog> * The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again in a few <mongoosedog> moments. <mongoosedog> * If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's network <mongoosedog> connection. <mongoosedog> * If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy, make sure <mongoosedog> that Firefox is permitted to access the Web. <Raidsong> what OS are you runnin <mongoosedog> ubuntu 9.10 <Nose_Pick> Hello Lads <pedro3005> hey Nose_Pick <Nose_Pick> Whats the news? If any? <pedro3005> Nose_Pick, hm.. not much <tenach> Hello <pedro3005> hey tenach <Nose_Pick> hey tenach <tenach> hello pedro3005 Nose_Pick <pedro3005> heeeeey MadameTock <MadameTock> Hello pedro3005 <MadameTock> How goes it? <pedro3005> MadameTock, good <pedro3005> MadameTock, how are you? <tenach> MadameTock, paultag posted this and I thought you'd agree <tenach> http://fashionablygeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/boob-controller-shirt-510x349.jpg <MadameTock> tenach, I actually really wanted to get one of those <MadameTock> pedro3005, I am doing pretty well. Got off from the day job and enjoying a bit of coffee. <tenach> pedro3005, join #ubuntu-beginners-team <tenach> So you and MadameTock dont' get off topic here. :D <MadameTock> You know, because I'm the Oracle and all <MadameTock> pedro3005, transcendental idealism? :p <tenach> <MadameTock> You know, because I'm the Oracle and all <tenach> <MadameTock> pedro3005, transcendental idealism? :p <pedro3005> MadameTock, what is that? <tenach> pedro3005, heard of Immanuel Kant? <pedro3005> tenach, sure <pedro3005> he was a real piss ant, very rarely stable <tenach> He called himself a transcendental idealist but an empirical realist <tenach> pedro3005, I meant to paste that to -team <smeag0l> good morning <ZachK_> hey team <hobgoblin> good morning ZachK_ <hobgoblin> hi smeag0l <smeag0l> hi hobgoblin <hobgoblin> long time :) <smeag0l> kind of <ZachK_> hey smeag0l and hobgoblin <ZachK_> sorry i didn't respond....filing taxes <hobgoblin> :( * hobgoblin hates taxes <hobgoblin> you lot over there appear to always be having to do the filing thing - do you have to all do it annualy? <hobgoblin> hi Bodsda <duanedesign> i unplugged my mouse. I plugged my mouse back in. Now it does not work. Does anyone know a service i could possiblly restart to get the mouse recognized <stlsaint> nopes <jdeloach> Could someone help me remove the current Nvidia-GLX drivers on my system with ATI ones, as I am running an ATI card. <jdeloach> ( It stops me from getting GLX to work! for games! ) <Mindgamer> Hi. I am a very new Linux user. Wanted to ask if it is possible to configure software RAID when I have done a desktop install using the graphical installer.. or do I have to do a new install using the alternate install? When I tried to configure Software RAID on the current installation the process returned an error: Failed to execute child process "mdadm" (no such file or dir) <pedro3005> Mindgamer, attempt this: sudo apt-get install mdadm <Mindgamer> would this require a network connection? my system is not hooked up <pedro3005> Mindgamer, it would :/ <Mindgamer> ok, its is a solution anyway.. i will hook up tomorrow and give it a try. thank you for the advice <pedro3005> Mindgamer, np :) <BlubbTec> hey <BlubbTec> i got a really low mic volume with karmic 9.10 in teamspeak 3 <BlubbTec> external mic, non usb though, and at a desktop-pc(no laptop/netbook etc) <BlubbTec> turning up the capture volume didnt help <RaMcHiP> hello everyone <pedro3005> hello RaMcHiP <RaMcHiP> I am new to ubuntu and using 9.1 I have got compiz installed configured and its all pretty but I am trying to figure out howto use hand gestures with my webcam to accomplish this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBnCc64eZ9w&feature=related <RaMcHiP> anyone willing to help me or point me in the right direction with that? <pedro3005> RaMcHiP, seriously awesome, but I have no idea how he did it <RaMcHiP> only thing I can think of is opencv <RaMcHiP> or handvu <RaMcHiP> I wanna go all minority report on this <phillw> RaMcHiP: you may be better asking over at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=334 that is the section that deals with media stuff <DarkwingDuck> Anyone ever find out what happened to starcraftman? <pedro3005> DarkwingDuck, never heard from him <DarkwingDuck> I hope everything is okay <duanedesign> he did disappear from the forums for a year before <duanedesign> i am not sure what the catalyst for that was, but this might not be all that out of character for him. <RaMcHiP> ty phillw #ubuntu-beginners 2010-04-03 <mongoosedog> can anyone help me i've lost all sounds? <yvan300> mongoosedog, do you have any idea why it stopped? <mongoosedog> nope it stopped after watching a movie on the failblog, i hadn't touched anything <yvan300> mongoosedog, you tried restarting :) ? <mongoosedog> yeah <mongoosedog> didn't help <yvan300> mongoosedog, ok, well when you go into sound preferences what's the situation? <mongoosedog> sorry had a little moment there <mongoosedog> yvan300 what am i looking for in sound preferences? <yvan300> Well is the sound muted etc? <mongoosedog> lol <mongoosedog> no <yvan300> darn, what is the volume level then?? <mongoosedog> 100% <yvan300> oh and check the output tab and see if there are other drivers to choose from <mongoosedog> only the headset, <yvan300> mongoosedog, which one is chosen? <mongoosedog> internal audio analog stereo <mongoosedog> what the hell, i just kicked in? <mongoosedog> think i got a loose wire <yvan300> mongoosedog, so the sound works now??? <mongoosedog> yes <mongoosedog> odd <mongoosedog> i changed nothing <mongoosedog> are you anygood with mediatomb? <yvan300> mongoosedog, what is that? <mongoosedog> media sever to stream to the ps3 <nhandler> Anyone know what is in $PATH when a cron script runs? <yvan300> mongoosedog, naw, that is foreign to me, sorry <mongoosedog> do you know another good sever? <yvan300> mongoosedog, sorry i'm not the server kinda guy, but i think nhandler could help ya out on servers :D <nhandler> I haven't used mediatomb before <nhandler> What are you having problems with mongoosedog ? <nhandler> paultag or pleia2: Any ideas what is in $PATH by default in Ubuntu ? <nhandler> (in crontab) <paultag> Oh yes <paultag> it is really locked down nhandler <paultag> nhandler: one should always use absolute paths on the cron <paultag> nhandler: I think it's just /bin and /usr/bin <nhandler> paultag: Yeah, I know ;) I was just interested in seeing if it was actually necessary for something <nhandler> Thanks <paultag> nhandler: aye :) <mongoosedog> well mediatomb runs in firefox but when i run it, it come ups with the page you get if you net drops out <mongoosedog> if you know a better server let me know MT sucks the bag <mongoosedog> brb having a smoke let me know tho <nhandler> mongoosedog: I've hear of people using http://www.fireflymediaserver.org/ before. Not sure if it supports the ps3 <mongoosedog> hmmm <mongoosedog> might have to hit google for it, still learning how to get applications running <BlubbTec> n8 <mongoosedog> i have done what this page tells me above the config title and it won't run? any help <mongoosedog> PS3 Media Server <mongoosedog> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ps3MediaServer <mongoosedog> sorry this page lol <duanedesign> finding community support in Linux http://ln-s.net/5Z+y <mongoosedog> ok guys, although i got second life to run, i can't seem to make any other apps not in the synaptic package manager to run, my files are in complete shambles and my head is going to explode, i follow all instructions but when i click run after double clicking a file nothing happens, every seach i do help with program once they are running, but i'm not getting that far, i'm sure it's... <mongoosedog> ...something really simple but ubuntu seems to operate very differently to what i'm used to (vista) i do enjoy problem solving but i've hit a massive snag, i could use DOS very well but the terminal throws me around, i really need some guidance <pedro3005> mongoosedog, what are you trying to do? <mongoosedog> sorry pedro3005 just trying to make programs run https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ps3MediaServer trying to make that run, because mediatomb only run when it wants to, althought right now it is working lol <mongoosedog> kids are sick mate sorry <hobgoblin> morning - anyone on here got any experience with apt-cacher ? <duanedesign> morning hobgoblin <hobgoblin> o/ <hobgoblin> duanedesign: how's things/ <hobgoblin> duanedesign: apt-cacher is new to me - and there are different ones to use ... <hobgoblin> :) <hobgoblin> nvm - I think I have sorted it now <duanedesign> hobgoblin: sorry i stepped out. <hobgoblin> I think I can forgive you today :) <duanedesign> heh, you get apt-cacher set up <hobgoblin> think so with apt-cacher-ng - I won't really know till there are some updates on lucid :) <hobgoblin> if I get the downloads quicker than 70kb/s I would hazard a guess it is :) <hobgoblin> duanedesign: yep - all appears to be hunky dory :) <AJH101> Hi I am hoping to install a dual boot of Ubuntu and Ubuntu Studio, sharing the same /home partition. I this relatively straightforward? <duanedesign> AJH101: did you get the info you were looking for? <drubin> 2/b 19 <AJH101> Hi I am hoping to install a dual boot of Ubuntu and Ubuntu Studio, sharing the same /home partition. I this relatively straightforward? <paultag> AJH101: Humm. <paultag> AJH101: I would avoid it ( I used to do that ) <paultag> AJH101: the issue is configuration changes from install to install <hobgoblin> I would +1 that - I try not to use same /home <paultag> AJH101: since it is studio, I assume you will be running JACK ? <paultag> AJH101: so the default will be set to JACK once you do that on the Studio partition, but when you go back to Ubuntu it will try and use JACK ( and it's not installed ) thusly breaking the Sound system <paultag> There are other concerns. If youwant to share /home, create two users AJH101 <paultag> but even that is risky <duanedesign> or maybe a /data partition to share information <paultag> +1 duanedesign, not a bad idea <paultag> duanedesign: then ln it to ~ <paultag> duanedesign: I do the same with "/Media" and that has /Media/movies and /Media/music <SoSamono> hello every one <paultag> Hola <duanedesign> paultag: ahh, thats neat <SoSamono> can you help with something plx? <paultag> duanedesign: I like it. I keep 100 GB slices of my drive for different distros and I got tired of copying music around <paultag> SoSamono: don't ask to ask, just ask! :) <SoSamono> ok my problem is i want to put VLC player runing as defoult player on the cd-rom whem i put some media on at this moment i have Totem how can i xhange that in Ubunto? <paultag> SoSamono: sure can :) <paultag> SoSamono: There should be a menu item to change the default handlers <paultag> duanedesign: can you help? I am on my sister's box. No Ubuntu :( <duanedesign> paultag: yes <paultag> duanedesign: thank you <3 <duanedesign> SoSamono: you can change the default app for filetypes <duanedesign> SoSamono: R-Click on one of your movies, for example, and select Properties <duanedesign> SoSamono: Select the 'Open With' Tab <duanedesign> SoSamono: select VLC. If you dont see it you might have to 'Add' it <duanedesign> then everytime you select that file type it will open with VLC <SoSamono> i sse <SoSamono> isse <SoSamono> thnks for that i was looking for some comand line to do that :P <paultag> duanedesign: thanks :) <duanedesign> np :) <AJH101> ? <AJH101> register solicitor <hobgoblin> I'd not do that <AJH101> paultag: any thoughts about sharing partitions, or should I post this on a forum? <paultag> AJH101: Humm? Sharing parts is fun & easy :) <phillw> AJH101: how do you want to share partitions ? <lstdio_> who here uses NViDIA ? <lstdio_> http://www.sucka.net/2010/03/nvidia-drivers-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx/ <phillw> lstdio_: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=377 <phillw> lstdio_: get it from the people testing stuff :-D <ShadowKnight> hey, i had a question of how to set up ubuntu for netbook i wasnt quite sure how <lstdio_> phillw, how do you think I found out? <lstdio_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1446132 <phillw> lstdio_: also #ubuntu+1 on IRC <lstdio_> I even left a comment... <lstdio_> ShadowKnight, install? or configure? <phillw> lstdio_: have you had a read of http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1423210 <ShadowKnight> lstdio_, install it completely new with a windows 7 starter base <phillw> lstdio_: threads from the likes of technoviking are allways worth following :-) <michae1> trying to get my box set up as a web test environment. went through the steps to get LAMP set up. anyone know where I can find straight forward directions on how to get the box to accept files when trying to upload to it? <ShadowKnight> anyone know how to set up ubuntu on a netbook? is it better to do the netbook remix or just regular ubuntu? <lstdio_> phillw, threads like mine are always worth following up too. ;) <lstdio_> ShadowKnight, in that case then, you'll need a pendrive, and the netbook iso image <lstdio_> ShadowKnight, you can make the pendrive bootable using http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ <lstdio_> which will extract the image onto it. <lstdio_> once complete, all you do is reboot + select the USB Hard Drive from BIOS boot setup. <lstdio_> you can also follow this documentation for creating a bootable pendrive. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick <ShadowKnight> hmmm okay so in that i download the windows or linux version? and would it work if i put it in my external hard drive? <lstdio_> ShadowKnight, you are in windows, right? <lstdio_> you download the windows version ;) <lstdio_> It is a program <lstdio_> you run it. <ShadowKnight> lmao okay then just making sure. okay so i download that and the iso image? <lstdio_> yes <lstdio_> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download-netbook <lstdio_> ShadowKnight, ensure that you use a clean pendrive (ie: format it before using unetbootin on it) <phillw> lstdio_: There was no slight on your abilities, I apologise if you felt I was calling your knowledge & experience into doubt. <cliffhanger> Does any1 know if I can upgrade a 32bit version of ubuntu 2 64bit without doing a fresh install? (looking 4 a way so that I don't lose my programs) <ShadowKnight> okay thenthanks lstdio_ imma get on this right now. <lstdio_> phillw, no worries - I'm not usually named this nick anyway. =) <lstdio_> phillw, it does give insight though to see how new users are treated every once in a while =) <lstdio_> paultag, plymouth is absolutely useless... <paultag> lstdio_: tell me about it. Fails with nvidia drivers. <lstdio_> paultag, no it doesn't ;) <lstdio_> http://www.sucka.net/2010/03/nvidia-drivers-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx/ <paultag> lstdio_: yes it does <paultag> lstdio_: it comes out with text and not images :( <lstdio_> see link :) <paultag> kk <lstdio_> apparently that is all it needs <phillw> lstdio_: you've been grassed on, i know who you are ;-) <lstdio_> haha <paultag> ty lstdio_ :) <lstdio_> /nick sdennie <lstdio_> speaking of which, I'll have to email him sometime. <lstdio_> phillw, next time I'll come in as n00b then :P <lstdio_> meh, if you look at my /whois stats, if it says telf, it's me <lstdio_> if it says telf and it isn't ... let me know, asap * lstdio_ may want to meet them <phillw> lstdio_: I would hope to treat anyone politely <lstdio_> phillw, and what makes you think that I wasn't treated politely in your custody? <ZachK_> hey team <phillw> hi ZachK_ <ZachK_> hey phillw <DiegoTc> hi danda48 need something? <danda48> I have a Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala machine <DiegoTc> yeap <danda48> when i took it to my dads, i hooked up the network connection and it didn't recognize the on board network connection <DiegoTc> what type of machine do you have? <danda48> amd 64x2 <danda48> i just built it for him <danda48> do i have to add a network connection and manually put in his mac address and stuff? <nhandler> danda48: How are you connecting to the internet ;) <DiegoTc> danda48, I am leaving right now nhandleris going to give you a hand <nhandler> ethernet? wifi? <danda48> ethernet <nhandler> danda48: And did it work when connecting at your house ? <danda48> yes it did, i'm online with it now <danda48> its an M2N68- AM Plus Asus board <nhandler> danda48: Are you sure he has working internet at his place? <danda48> yes, he was borrowing a machine and when i put that one back online it was fine <danda48> should i delete the Auto eth0? <danda48> before i hook it up to his ethernet connection? <nhandler> danda48: It shouldn't matter. <nhandler> When you click on the networking applet when plugged into his ethernet, does anything show up? <danda48> no, nothing <danda48> like its not there <lstdio_> well, this is annoying :) <nhandler> danda48: Well, you should also be able to use ifconfig to set this up (http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2006/11/ifconfig-dissected-and-demystified.html). But I am a not sure why it would not show up in the applet <danda48> do i run ifconfig from the terminal? <nhandler> Yes <danda48> ok <danda48> thanks for your help <danda48> i'll study ifconfig and run it from his connection <danda48> thanks again <lstdio_> yay! <lstdio_> I fixed <nhandler> :) <lstdio_> my special bash configuration http://ufbt.pastebin.com/VERNVqw3 <lstdio_> because I'm weird :) #ubuntu-beginners 2010-04-04 <joe1> Hi, there can some one help me out. I have trouble with my desktop. Once I set the effect of the compiz usinf the reflection effect, my computer freeze. Now everytime I turn my computer and log on it freeze. Some one told me i need to get to the memory recovery and uninstall the effect. I dont know how to get there, im new <cprofitt> joe1: you had a question? <joe1> yes <joe1> yes i have problems with desktop <joe1> my cumputer freeze <joe1> i dont know how to get to the memory recovery and uninstall the reflection effects <cprofitt> I assume Ubuntu is the OS? <cprofitt> You mean the compiz effects? <joe1> yes <joe1> ubuntu is the ubuntu os <joe1> and yes the compiz effects <cprofitt> when you boot the computer are you given a choice of what to boot? <joe1> yes <joe1> i have memory recovery and the windows loader <cprofitt> is one of them recovery <cprofitt> hmm... <cprofitt> hold on... <joe1> yes thats right i have 2 option <joe1> one said recovery 20 and the recovery 14 <cprofitt> when you get to the login you are ok? <cprofitt> its just after login right? <joe1> thats right, is after the login <cprofitt> you are on 9.10? <joe1> thats right <cprofitt> go to the login -- select your name <cprofitt> but before putting the password in <cprofitt> change your session from Gnome to Failsafe Gnome <cprofitt> then enter your password <joe1> ok, then <cprofitt> you should be able to change the visual affects to none from that I believe <cprofitt> testing that now on my other machine <ibuclaw> failsafe gnome is a plain background with an embedded terminal iirc <joe1> ok so then i will be able to get to the compiz effects <ibuclaw> from there, you'll need to start the compizconfig-settings app (or whatever it is called) <cprofitt> hmm... <cprofitt> you should be able too <cprofitt> ibuclaw: it is a gnome session w/o compiz for me <cprofitt> joe1: looking up how to turn compiz off from failsafe right now <ibuclaw> cprofitt, then it has changed since I last looked at it then :) <cprofitt> +1 ibuclaw <ibuclaw> probably 8.04, or 7.10 <cprofitt> I think it was 9.10 or 9.04 that changed <joe1> ok il wait <cprofitt> it shocked me the first time <cprofitt> joel http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=980835 <cprofitt> joel you can also disable compiz by running the following from terminal <cprofitt> if it is not simply blur causing the lock up <cprofitt> metacity --replace <joe1> some one told me that i can unistall compiz by apt-get reomve compiz <joe1> but i dont know if that works <cprofitt> You can -- but I would run the replace command above first <cprofitt> I can hang here while you try that <joe1> ok and how can i do that, im sorry im a beginner <cprofitt> go to Applications -> Accessories -> Terminail <cprofitt> and then type metacity --replace <cprofitt> you may have to use sudo <joe1> right know im using windows <joe1> i need to restart my computer and run ubuntu <cprofitt> write this stuff donw then <cprofitt> then try... <cprofitt> I can hang here and wait for you <joe1> ok i can do that <joe1> this site <cprofitt> k <joe1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=980835 tell my the steps to replace <cprofitt> well that does not do the metacity -- replace <joe1> and what is the code for the replace <cprofitt> "metacity --replace" <cprofitt> just open the terminal <cprofitt> and type that <cprofitt> hit enter <joe1> ok ill do it and then i enter this channer <cprofitt> k <beginner_need_he> hello...could anyone here help to configure a router/firewall? <dockimble> nope <pedro3005> hello, beginner_need_he <pedro3005> dockimble, >.> yes we could <beginner_need_he> thank you!!! <pedro3005> beginner_need_he, so you need to configure a firewall? <beginner_need_he> yeah ....shall i just go ahead and tell you what the problem is? <pedro3005> beginner_need_he, sure <beginner_need_he> I want to configure a router/firewall and I want to put it between my modem/router that my ISP gave me and my local network <beginner_need_he> I have an old computer with 2 NIC's <beginner_need_he> and they are both working <pedro3005> beginner_need_he, so you wanna make the whole PC a firewall? <beginner_need_he> if I got it right, i need to connect my modem/router from my ISP to one of the Nic's and then the to the other one.... <beginner_need_he> yes thats right <beginner_need_he> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Router?highlight=%28%28EasyRouter%29%29#Technical%20Overview <beginner_need_he> I tried everything there <beginner_need_he> but it didnt work.... <beginner_need_he> but it feels like im very close <beginner_need_he> lol <pedro3005> beginner_need_he, what exactly did you try (and what exactly do you want)? <pedro3005> duanedesign, ping <beginner_need_he> ping... <beginner_need_he> i want to be able to access internet from the computers on the internal network <beginner_need_he> but I cant : ( <pedro3005> beginner_need_he, then I think the scheme would go: modem > firewall > router > PCs <geirha> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing <beginner_need_he> hmmm...ok <beginner_need_he> my modem from my ISP is a router aswell <beginner_need_he> will that make any difference? <beginner_need_he> thx geirha I'll have a look at it <pedro3005> beginner_need_he, said router probably has a firewall; why not use it? <beginner_need_he> oh...lol I see <beginner_need_he> yeah I could....but Im not really that concerned about the security <beginner_need_he> I just want to be able to do it.... <beginner_need_he> lol I know it sounds silly <pedro3005> beginner_need_he, then why do you want a whole computer acting as a firewall? <beginner_need_he> because it an old computer I'm not using <beginner_need_he> so I thought I could do something with it.... <beginner_need_he> just a small project <duanedesign> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Router#Use%20your%20desktop%20PC <duanedesign> d'oh, he left <stlsaint> duanedesign: WHAT>!!>!> duane is TOO late!?!?!? <duanedesign> (in grandpa voice) back in the olden days I could post an answer before a user had the question fully typed <stlsaint> the good ol days LOL <phillw> lol @ duanedesign so you can tell me how to make a mini-iso the needs 'deb' and not 'squash'; that'd be pretty darn kewl ;-) <stlsaint> duanedesign: ping <duanedesign> stlsaint: pong <stlsaint> duanedesign: how do you open a weblink in terminator? <stlsaint> you said you will keep the goosh link open in a terminator window?? how so???? <duanedesign> hmmm <duanedesign> stlsaint: well i guess you cant. Or at least i dont know how <duanedesign> stlsaint: i didnt realize it was all javascript <duanedesign> stlsaint: i guess you could install Lynx <duanedesign> open the site in lynx in one of your terminator windows <duanedesign> that might actually work pretty good <stlsaint> how? <nhandler> Or links2 <duanedesign> links2, you like better? or about the same <stlsaint> well elinks is a cli based web browser but thats not what i thought duanedesign was talking about <nhandler> duanedesign: I haven't used either for a while. But it really depends on what I am doing <paultag> elinks ftw <stlsaint> paultag: :) <stlsaint> i also enjoy elinks <stlsaint> hrm, elinks+goosh may be a niffty combo <duanedesign> im gonna try it :) <stlsaint> hrm, maybe not...i cant seem to get content to post cuz goosh opens up the links in a seperate browser...seems some configs are in order <tenach> Hello there leoquant <leoquant> goodevening tenach <tenach> How are you doing this evening leoquant ? <leoquant> bad <shredder12> i just faced the most weird situation to recover
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