#ubuntu-us-mn 2010-04-01 <Takyoji> Stupid question: What actually goes into the development of a driver for a printer for example? <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: "Empathy's IRC functionality has been updated to include support for common IRC commands such as /join or /nick, and you can now join password protected rooms." <Takyoji> Egad <Takyoji> Hah, yes! http://www.collegehumor.com/article:1802516 <Obsidian1723> welp, time to switch to Debian :) It's offical. the button order is saying messed up and on the left. <_diablo> Obsidian1723: that's disgusting. thankfully Mint will fix it for me :) <Obsidian1723> maybe. <Obsidian1723> Im thinking Debian is the way to go. <_diablo> Obsidian1723: debian is nice, but I haaate old packages and sid isn't for me <netbook> i am kind of tired of gnome, i think i mentioned that here. I idk if i will switch to LL <netbook> what was your favorite April Fools on the web? <netbook> I thought reddit's "admin mode" was pretty funny <_diablo> haven't seen any particularly great ones this year honestly :( <_diablo> although 3-d mode on gBooks was pretty lullzy <netbook> heh that is pretty funny <netbook> started reading about the google book settlement, crazy stuff #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-04-02 <tonyyarusso> eh, the button order is just a gconf key. <Takyoji> Any interesting April Fools' at all? <Takyoji> I've already seen Slashdot, Ars Technica, the new RFC, xkcd, canvasdemos.com, and deviantART <Takyoji> and Thinkgeek <Takyoji> and Gmail <kermit> oh i like the new xkcd interface <kermit> i hope thats not just for today <kermit> i never really got used to this pointy clicky stuff <Takyoji> I typically prefer a GUI interface; but the xkcd theme I absolutely love. xP <kermit> HAHA i just started trying to page up using ctrl-a { up, and shift pageup. <kermit> Takyoji: you must be young ;p <Takyoji> The Linux kernel is a few months older than I. :P <Takyoji> Apparently the Facebook interface now uses Bing for web searches.. <tonyyarusso> Facebook does web searches? <Takyoji> When you do a search, sometimes it may aggregate results for a web search <Takyoji> And whenever you do a search on Facebook, there's an option to do solely a web search <kermit> Takyoji: i'm older than BSD <Takyoji> heh http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2050855 <tonyyarusso> I'm older than Linux! <Takyoji> heh http://tremulous.net/ <Obsidian1723> . <tonyyarusso> And you're still right where you started! <Obsidian1723> man 10.04 is gonna be a support nightmare if some things dont change. #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-04-03 <Takyoji> Thoughts and opinions? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/04/ubuntu-1010-named-maverick-meerkat.html #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-04-04 <Takyoji> If only there was a different term for "free software" (in terms of freedom, rather than price), because it can cause quite a misconception. <kermit> open technology? <kermit> a tool versus an appliance <Takyoji> Anyone know of a reasonable indexing solution for files? <Takyoji> I was thinking of Sphinx perhaps #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-04-05 <JChristensen> ubuntu-minnesota.org is down <tonyyarusso> JChristensen: Yeah, the server had some issues last night, just getting around to following up on their affects. The site *should* be okay now. Thanks for mentioning it. <Takyoji> Gotta love how pathetic the general public is. xP <Takyoji> If there's white or lime text over a black background, it just HAS to be hacking! But if it's black text over a white background, it's word processing. <tonyyarusso> lol, yup <Takyoji> It's probably due to movies. <Takyoji> Quick, someone write a GUI interface in VisualBASIC to track the robber's IP address! * Takyoji scratches a chalkboard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-04-06 <Takyoji> Meeting tonight? <tonyyarusso> hmm, we should, but I don't think we have an agenda yet and I neglected to announce it...should we consider trying a different day so we can push for more people to know about it in advance? <katakaio> Hey team - long time, no see <katakaio> Normally I work during our monthly meeting time . . . are we still meeting right now? <Takyoji> ahh <katakaio> Was that an "ahh" as in surprise and alarm? <Takyoji> tonyyarusso: hmm, we should, but I don't think we have an agenda yet and I neglected to announce it...should we consider trying a different day so we can push for more people to know about it in advance? <Takyoji> (as a text quotation; not a statement directed towards tonyyarusso) <katakaio> If that makes more sense, that sounds good. I feel bad for working right when our meeting is . . . :( <tonyyarusso> What would be better times for you? <katakaio> Hmm . . . let's look. <katakaio> Sunday nights and Tuesday nights are good <tonyyarusso> fair enough, I could probably do either of those <katakaio> Cool . . . we'll see what other people have to say about that <katakaio> I'll just plan on being in the channel those evenings and we'll see who joins us <katakaio> brb <Takyoji> I almost completely forgot again <Takyoji> For any of the installfests, we should also do keysigning. <Takyoji> So today then, or Sunday? #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-04-07 <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: either Sunday or *next* Tuesday was my thought. (Which I didn't actually say) <Takyoji> ahh <Takyoji> Good thing, because I was gone. :P <Takyoji> Saving the world from the usual self-destruction #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-04-08 * Obsidian1723 night all... <Takyoji> To my understanding, the point of OOXML was pretty much "We can have an 'open' format too!", correct? <Takyoji> Just for the sake of "competing" against OpenOffice, AbiWord, and other word processing solutions that store in true open formats? <rlaager> Takyoji: I've read it was about remaining viable for customers (like governments) that require open formats. <Takyoji> Also, another question: Would PDF be considered an open format? <rlaager> I have no idea. I suppose it'd depend on the specific regulations. <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: well, XML formats are better technically, and MS Office does use use that now, but making it open and touting that was pretty much just to combat ODF. <tonyyarusso> For the reason rlaager said - the surge in openness requirements. <tonyyarusso> And yes, PDF is an open format. <tonyyarusso> The only thing PDF lacks is good free implementations of the creation tools, but the format itself is plenty open. <Takyoji> ahh <Takyoji> how long ago was the PDF format opened? <tonyyarusso> uhhhh, good question <tonyyarusso> July 1, 2008 <Takyoji> So, considerably "recent" then <tonyyarusso> yeah <Takyoji> I still get a laugh that MS still hasn't complied to their own [revised] standard yet. :P <tonyyarusso> indeed <Takyoji> and OOXML still defies the definition of an open standard due to having no public implementation yet to my understanding. <Takyoji> Too bad it simply can't be voided for the time being. <tonyyarusso> Right - this is why it's important to include the phrase "with a full, free & open implementation" when proposing rules btw. <Takyoji> Haaah, too bad I didn't see this a few days ago: http://blog.whatwg.org/html6-plan <Takyoji> Oh, that was a couple years ago <Takyoji> otherwise I was suggesting the idea of AT LEAST having the ODF plugin for MS Office throughout or school district, and of course, was pretty much ignored over the idea. <Takyoji> Prior to that I suggested it would be handy if OpenOffice was installed, and the reply was pretty much laughter and saying "OpenOffice takes forever to open!". But if you go to any workstation in the school, ANYTHING takes minutes to open due to poor maintenance and setup.. <Takyoji> If anyone ever has kids, never have them go to Faribault Public High School. <Takyoji> A majority of the teachers have all their children go to other schools in the area. <tonyyarusso> See, I'd know better than to live in Faribault ;) <Takyoji> :P <Takyoji> That's the annoying thing about youth; usually people don't care about what you say, or don't consider young individuals an authentic source of information. <Takyoji> moreso: people don't take you seriously much at all <Takyoji> as I may have said previously, some systems in the district still even have IE6 <Takyoji> And I believe the way of just resolving it in their standpoint is of just buying new desktops. <tonyyarusso> I think you're just talking to the wrong kinds of people - I've been taken seriously since I was like 5. But then, I'm odd. <Takyoji> The district technology coordinator (whom is the boss of the district technologists, and whom has a lower technology knowledge than the district technologists) does not reply to anyone's emails, then there's three district technologists, all of whom I know personally. <Takyoji> Anyone else in the district pretty much knows just how to open a web browser and MS Office. <Takyoji> http://www.faribault.k12.mn.us/departments/informationtechnology.aspx <Takyoji> Second person on the list is simply just a secretary; not much with technology involvement otherwise <Takyoji> Thus my dilemma, unless if someone has a reasonable idea. <tonyyarusso> Go over their head. <tonyyarusso> Try a senator if you must. <Takyoji> Just not sure how I would approach that. <Takyoji> otherwise I may have to try further with the support of teachers; because I certainly know of many teachers that are annoyed over various factors. <tonyyarusso> However you want :) <tonyyarusso> State senators are very open to conversation, or at least mine is. <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: Your state senator is special <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/2011 <tonyyarusso> sparklehistory: well yes :) <sparklehistory> Most are open but not quite that open <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: Ignore that - already deployed :) <h00k> tonyyarusso: I totally meant to check that seed to see how they're doing and I haven't <tonyyarusso> h00k: not many hits so far <tonyyarusso> There's a good chance it will only get a few, but I didn't want to be unprepared if there was more interest. <h00k> tonyyarusso: understandable <h00k> tonyyarusso: all except the .wav copy is seeding <h00k> which is alright <exigraff> oh, this is where.. gotcha. <exigraff> tonyyarusso, does that tracker give you up/down stats? <tonyyarusso> exigraff: I don't think so? Honestly haven't looked. <tonyyarusso> or know where to look <exigraff> well, if it helps, we've uploaded ~450mb of the stuff <tonyyarusso> excellent <Takyoji> Yay for the search engine default revert. <_diablo> lol, how so? <_diablo> link? <Takyoji> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/04/ubuntu-1004-drops-yahoo-will-use-google.html <Takyoji> And booo to the Digital Economy Bill in the UK: http://www.38degrees.org.uk/page/speakout/extremeinternetl <_diablo> that hasn't passed, right? <_diablo> so they gave up the money? or what? <Takyoji> This morning: http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/04/08/132210/Digital-Economy-Bill-Passed-In-the-UK <_diablo> fuck <_diablo> sorry, probs not okay to say that here, but it's totally justified :( <Takyoji> I think however that it may have one more step to completion, but not entirely sure. <Takyoji> Welcome to the impending internet dark ages. <Takyoji> The US will probably be next <_diablo> we already have the dmca <_diablo> I'm graduating from college this semester and seriously considering moving to iceland <Takyoji> and also the recent ruling against the FCC as well <kermit> the dmca was a big win against copyrights <kermit> Takyoji: what's that bill od? i'm not gleening anything from the wikipedia page. <kermit> od/do <Takyoji> kermit: http://www.38degrees.org.uk/page/speakout/extremeinternetl <Takyoji> and http://www.openrightsgroup.org/campaigns/disconnection/against-deb <kermit> i doubt that video is accurate <kermit> or, well, by 'if anyone claims'.. i'm sure that means via affadavit <Takyoji> I wonder what common free culture coalitions there are in the US.. <kermit> Takyoji: #freeculture would know <Takyoji> alrighty <_diablo> kermit: in what possible way was the dmca a big win against copyrights? <kermit> _diablo: it clarified what you can and can't get away with <_diablo> kermit: but it made it so broad that you effectively can't do anything <_diablo> fair use was enlarged, but only to further the strength of copyright enforcement <kermit> i thought it worked like.. you can do anything until someone gives you a proper formal notice that you're infringing <_diablo> Takyoji: kermit, if you're interested in this, look up the book "against intellectual monopoly". it's written by 2 pretty smart economists. <_diablo> kermit: right, but there's no punishment for sending out too many of those letters. so they send them all over the place and scare ppl into submission <_diablo> because once it's sent, if you continue, the hammer gets smacked down <kermit> if you like economists, ##economics is really well run and has 50 people <_diablo> hmmmm, joining <kermit> this looks like a good book <_diablo> it's really good. <_diablo> i'm an econ major writing my senior thesis on FLOSS actually :) <Takyoji> Ooo <kermit> _diablo: the letters it suonds like you're referring to arent formal take down notices <kermit> _diablo: just the spam they send kids <kermit> i'm fairly sure there is punsihment for a formal take down notice <_diablo> kermit: really? I might have read the boingboing article incorrectly, but I thought that was what doctorow was writing <_diablo> and I know no countersuits have been won by any out of country corporations <_diablo> but gtg, off to class #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-04-09 <ripps> grrr.... nothing makes me more angry than being ignored when I need help pinning down a bug <kermit> ripps: not even that blaring emergency test signal in the middle of a quiet movie you were half sleeping to? <ripps> kermit: what? <kermit> ripps: failed humor, nevermind <ripps> :/ #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-04-10 <Takyoji> Out of curiosity, what type of bug? * h00k bugs Takyoji * Takyoji puts a bug in h00k's coffee while he isn't looking #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-04-11 <Takyoji> Isn't there supposedly going to be multiplayer gameplay functionality with Empathy eventually? <tonyyarusso> games? In a chat client? <kermit> tonyyarusso: the bottleneck to many things is establishing the p2p connection <kermit> so a mulitiprotocal messaging client is a good platform for games <Takyoji> It could actually be as simple as having a protocol ontop of XMPP <Takyoji> Moreso, logic games. <Takyoji> Not like racing or anything that require the x, y, and z coordinates constantly repeated. <Takyoji> In fact, it would be kind of interesting. If there was a straightfoward way that all default GNOME games could have bindings with Empathy in some way. * Obsidian1723 night all... allergies are kicking my you know what. Benaryl time... #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-04-12 <Takyoji> Woo, I love it when I have a decent design idea. <Takyoji> Wooooo http://newteevee.com/2010/04/12/google-to-open-source-vp8-for-html5-video/ #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-04-13 <Takyoji> Meeting today? <Takyoji> Erm <Takyoji> Correct? <_diablo> idk #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-04-14 <h00k> I made a youtube video with Google's SearchStories <h00k> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on1sBm_8wSI <Takyoji> Apparently google.com uses the HTML5 doctype <Takyoji> (probably because it's shortest) <Takyoji> Gah, I keep forgetting Fedora-specific commands.. <rlaager> heh, I'm testing VMware ESX and so I'm having to dust off my RedHat knowledge. <Takyoji> otherwise I hate having my dedicated server pretty much held ransom by a proprietary solution, such as Plesk.. <Takyoji> where shell access is pretty much a dark alchemy that could screw anything up. <Takyoji> and if I ever did a distro upgrade, the server would probably spontaneously combust.. <rlaager> lol <rlaager> Someone should start a yum repository of one or more .rpm packages that mimic common Debian commands. I think RHEL 5 dropped apt-get, which RHEL 4 had. <Takyoji> It's currently version 8 <Takyoji> and I can't update my packages because some file on Parallel's server is missing or not reachable.. <Takyoji> (...) <Takyoji> ---> Package php-pdo.i386 0:5.2.13-1.fc8.art set to be updated <Takyoji> ---> Package mysql-server.i386 0:5.0.90-1.fc8.art set to be updated <Takyoji> ---> Package php-mysql.i386 0:5.2.13-1.fc8.art set to be updated <Takyoji> --> Running transaction check <Takyoji> ---> Package sqlite2.i386 0:2.8.17-1.fc8.art set to be updated <Takyoji> http://www4.atomicorp.com/channels/plesk/8.6.0/fedora/8/i386/repodata/filelists.xml.gz: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404: Not Found <Takyoji> Trying other mirror. <Takyoji> Error: failure: repodata/filelists.xml.gz from plesk: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. <Takyoji> and it returns back to bash <Takyoji> They probably even discontinued service to my current version #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-04-17 <Takyoji> Anyone that uses OpenWRT at all here? <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: No, but I use DD-WRT <UbuntuMN-Guest> hi anyone online? #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-04-19 <rlaager> So is it just me, or does visiting a Launchpad bug in Firefox make your Xorg peg the CPU for a while any time you touch that window? <damian> hello? <tonyyarusso> yes? <damian> how do I enable referrer tag so I can join the group? <damian> for firefox <tonyyarusso> I'm not sure what that means? <tonyyarusso> referrer tag? <damian> No REFERER Header <damian> Launchpad requires a REFERER header to perform this action. There is no REFERER header present. This can be caused by configuring your browser to block REFERER headers. <damian> Unblock REFERER headers for launchpad.net and try again, or see the FAQ Why does Launchpad require a REFERER header? for more information. <damian> You can also join the #launchpad IRC support channel on irc.freenode.net for further assistance. <damian> the faq is https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/1024 but it doesn't say much about enabling referrer <tonyyarusso> That would be a question for #launchpad then, not here. I have no idea. <damian> ok #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-04-20 * Obsidian1723 dinner time all.... <_diablo> hey, is there a way in a bash script to use character that are usually brackets in part of a string? My password contains things like } which don't work well in my .conkyrc file. Can I enclose the string so it realizes that they're not supposed to be read as brackets? #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-04-21 <tonyyarusso> I'd imagine simple quoting would work for }, but certainly a \ escape would. <tonyyarusso> Too bad he left. <tonyyarusso> Hey, who wants to help work on wording for a resolution regarding mandating open standard document format usage for government publications in MN? <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: I'll read a draft and critique or offer suggestions but I'm not up for actually writing it. <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: Also, don't you have a resolution from the SD convention? <tonyyarusso> sparklehistory: yeah, but it was written on the spot and could probably be better <tonyyarusso> I started a gobby session on ubuntu-minnesota.org:6522 * tonyyarusso pokes h00k <h00k> tonyyarusso: ohai <h00k> tonyyarusso: in a second, I'm working on a few things here <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: I've got to download/install so it'll be a few mintues <tonyyarusso> of course * tonyyarusso can wait, he just microwaved some bacon <sparklehistory> hehe...a tonyyarusso with bacon is a happy tonyyarusso <Obsidian1723> Anyone know where I can can a wall-mounted 16 U 4-Post Open Server Rack? <tonyyarusso> Uh, wall-mounted *and* 4-post? <tonyyarusso> h00k: Does OOXML meet the "royalty-free" requirement? <Obsidian1723> 2 post if wall mounted * tonyyarusso wonders how h00k's work is coming along <tonyyarusso> hey ripps <tonyyarusso> sparklehistory: take a look at what I have now <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: Are you sure that you want to tie the State using open formats with the DFL using open formats? <tonyyarusso> sparklehistory: sure, why not? <sparklehistory> Just wondering if you would get some resistance from whoever at the DFL is responsible for record maintenece if they didn't totally understand or weren't contacted and consulted before this resolution comes up on the floor. <tonyyarusso> meh <tonyyarusso> All the better to make them listen :) <sparklehistory> And if they're offended or not on board for some reason, that could derail the broader policy which is the most important thing. <tonyyarusso> And they can always propose an amendment removing that line. <tonyyarusso> (It'd be really really stupid to demand that the state do something we can't do ourselves) <sparklehistory> (I don't think it's a matter of it being something the DFL can't do, just that I'm not sure this is the best way to get the DFL to do it nor do I think it helps the cause of requiring government documents in free software) <sparklehistory> Especially at a convention where emotions can run high and people are under a lot of stress, I would just be particularly careful not to appear disrespectful or indifferent of someone's territory (so to speak) if I didn't have to. They might be completely cool and on board with it, but they might not and I think that's a risk. <sparklehistory> It might not matter at all and maybe I'm being paranoid, but it just sort of rubbed me the wrong way. <tonyyarusso> Well, the other two ways to make the DFL do it would be to get elected to the state standing Rules committee and try to put it in the Call, or propose it as an amendment to the party constitution, which would be actually binding, whereas a resolution is not. <tonyyarusso> Wording has a been changed a bit over the last few minutes. <sparklehistory> Well then this seems like the least aggressive official way to do it. I assume you could also accomplish it unofficially by convincing the records manager/office staff themselves simply to change the way they work with documents. It doesn't seem like something so critical that it would actually have to be an official, convention approved change. <tonyyarusso> yup <tonyyarusso> If I were only doing it for the DFL it wouldn't be a resolution, but as long as the definition is all spelled out it may as well come up. <sparklehistory> I like that wording better * tonyyarusso is going to bed - ping me if you have thoughts later h00k * Obsidian1723 Gotta love how McAfee thinks Windowsw is a virus and then reboots the PC.. I don't know what took it so long. Heck, I knew Windows was a virus long ago. /snark <tonyyarusso> h00k: pastebin.ca appears to be down, so http://pastebin.com/aDtkfp2M if you want to look <h00k> tonyyarusso: that is excellent. <tonyyarusso> anything you'd change? #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-04-22 <h00k> Negative, not that I can see <tonyyarusso> coolio <h00k> I may or may not have saved a copy <tonyyarusso> :P <rlaager> There are multiple implementations of LaTeX and ODF? <rlaager> and DocBook? <tonyyarusso> Sure. <tonyyarusso> For instance, OpenOffice and Abiword both do ODF, and these days even MS Office does. <rlaager> I'm only aware of Sun's ODF plugin for MS Office, so I was counting that as the same vendor as OpenOffice. <rlaager> The existing resolution doesn't explicitly cover images (except perhaps when they're a part of a larger document). <rlaager> I added ", images" after text (and fixed the indentation on #6): http://pastebin.com/NwmXP0PR <rlaager> It maybe desirable to require read-write implementations, as appropriate. <rlaager> Also, would OOXML be acceptable under this policy? It seems like it would. Is that a desirable outcome? <tonyyarusso> rlaager: "including" doesn't mean "but limited to" :P <tonyyarusso> As I understand it, OOXML doesn't have any full implementations, much less multiple ones. <tonyyarusso> I'm not sure whether it has royalty requirements or not either. <Sgtdawg> anyone interested in an installfest west of the cities? I have a location in Eagan. If it works I want to try another out this way. <tonyyarusso> Hey Sgtdawg - you must be the person from the ML. <tonyyarusso> I took a survey of attendees last time, and there were a lot of responses asking for one in the west suburbs then. <Sgtdawg> I will start looking for a location. <Sgtdawg> Would you mind looking over the half page flyer? I can email it tomorrow. <tonyyarusso> um, I can probably do that. My next couple of days will be insane, so feel free to solicit opinions from others in case I don't have a chance. <Sgtdawg> Sounds good, thanks for the info. <dgroos> Good Morning MN ubunteros! <h00k> 'mornin, dgroos <dgroos> h00k: Good Morning! My class just came in so I gotta focus on the youngins in front of me--have a great day! #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-04-23 * Obsidian1723 nighters <tonyyarusso> hey Takyoji, proofread http://files.tonyyarusso.com/docformatsres.pdf for me quick <Takyoji> alrighty <Takyoji> OpenOffice's spellcheck complains that "practiced" is misspelled and should be written as "practised" <Takyoji> Though I suppose the word is legitimate. <tonyyarusso> I think that's a US/UK thing. <Takyoji> Wouldn't you have to define some terms, such as "stable website" <Takyoji> I assume that's the case <sparklehistory> Yes, that's a US/UK spelling thing. <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: That's just an example, not a definition, so no. <Takyoji> ahh <Takyoji> Which formats would you consider abide to the suggested guidelines? <tonyyarusso> OpenDocument, DocBook, PNG, SVG, plain text (ascii, utf-8), HTML, LaTeX, JPEG 2000, PDF, to name a few. * tonyyarusso just realized that "the state of Minnesota" could be construed as not including various departments <tonyyarusso> documents and records produced by public institutions, departments, and offices in the state of Minnesota be required - better <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: I think that'd be unlikely but your addendum is fine. But now you *really* need to break up the first sentence - way too long and wordy. <Takyoji> How would it stand in regards of video codecs for example, considering Google releasing VP8 and so forth. <tonyyarusso> sparklehistory: So suggest an alternative. <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: Theora good. H.whatever not (patents). VP8 not sure - not familiar with it yet. <tonyyarusso> sparklehistory: "The DFL Party urges that all documents and records produced by public institutions, departments, and offices in the state of Minnesota be required to be created, exchanged, maintained, stored, and preserved in open formats to allow and ensure full, free, and continuing access to public data." <tonyyarusso> sparklehistory: "(4) implemented by multiple vendors, with at least one implementation being free;" <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: "The DFL Party urges the enactment of a mandate requiring all documents and records produced by public institutions, departments, and offices of the state of Minnesota be created, exchanged, maintained, stored, and preserved in open formats with full, free implementations. This mandate would allow and ensure full, free, and continuing access to public data. The requirement would apply to all publicly-produced do <sparklehistory> cuments, including text, spreadsheets, and presentations, created after issuance of the relevant executive directive or passage of appropriate legislation." <sparklehistory> (5) doesn't make sense to me <tonyyarusso> Your "This mandate" sentence borders on a whereas clause, which can't be in the resolution body. <tonyyarusso> :P <tonyyarusso> also, too legalese. blech. <tonyyarusso> (5) refers to how OASIS, ISO, IETF, etc. operate. <sparklehistory> okay...how about "implementation of a standard" instead of "enactment of a mandate"? <tonyyarusso> what's wrong with "be required"? <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: I have no idea what OASIS, ISO... are or mean so I'll trust you on that. <tonyyarusso> standards bodies <sparklehistory> "be required to be" is just clumsy. Plus, if you define it as a standard or mandate then you can refer to it concisely later which helps with breaking up the sentences and making the resolution more readable. <tonyyarusso> meh, now I think you're just going all law school on it. <tonyyarusso> New version uploaded. <sparklehistory> Well, it is sort of a legal document. And my suggestions make it more readable. If people get lost or can't make it through the first sentence, they're not likely to finish the document or support it. <tonyyarusso> No it's not. <tonyyarusso> and I don't think they do. <sparklehistory> okay, that's fine - you asked me to look at it, I'm just telling you what I think. <sparklehistory> I like version 2 better <sparklehistory> I don't think there's anything you need to change in version 2. <tonyyarusso> mmkay, I'll e-mail that. <sparklehistory> So what happens now with it? Who/what do you e-mail it to? <tonyyarusso> People who are willing to walk around asking for signatures. Kyle and Kevin. <Takyoji> Random reminder: Day Against DRM on May 4th. <kermit> Takyoji: woo! <kermit> Takyoji: 8 people attending!! <Takyoji> In case if anyone wants to put it in their forum signature anywhere or on their blog <kermit> er shorter link http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=110264405676145 <kermit> lol 11 maybes <Takyoji> hah <Takyoji> 9 people attending now. :P <Takyoji> Oh noes, it seems some minor CSS or general aesthetic details on the EFF homepage is broked. :o <Takyoji> Egad, I believe they used repeated anchor tags rather than putting them in an unordered list! <Takyoji> Seems to be working now <kermit> my poor roomate wanted to show off his new Ipod Touch.. I'm like "closed technology, don't care, uncool." <tonyyarusso> hehe <Takyoji> How many have seen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzUoWkbNLe8 * kermit facebooks that <kermit> lmao at "like stallman!" <kermit> it even sounded right <Takyoji> heh yea * tonyyarusso is in Duluth #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-04-24 * Obsidian1723 time to go home all.. have phun. #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-04-27 * Obsidian1723 work is over yeah!! Time to go home. cya all <tonyyarusso> exigraff, h00k, jenkinbr: Has there been any movement on a Duluth/Superior or Grand Rapids release event? Or just Madison and Twin Cities? <tonyyarusso> Alpha_Cluster: Do you have something put together for Northwest yet? <Alpha_Cluster> tonyyarusso: no i havent really be doing much sorry :( <Alpha_Cluster> i actually havent even been using ubuntu much <Obsidian1723> Alpha, what do you use? <Alpha_Cluster> OSX >.< and WHS mostly <Alpha_Cluster> i have a copy of ubuntu and kubuntu that run in parallels its just ati's drivers cause tearing on my media center computer <Alpha_Cluster> otherwise i might have a linux box <Obsidian1723> ahhh <Obsidian1723> Why OIS X? <Obsidian1723> OS X <Alpha_Cluster> cause its Unix and they make really nice laptops <Obsidian1723> Its not UNIX.. <Alpha_Cluster> um actaully it is <Alpha_Cluster> its got the unix certs <tonyyarusso> Alpha_Cluster: Well, if you can still coax someone else into organizing something, that'd be nice. :) <Alpha_Cluster> rofl <Obsidian1723> Its a hybrid mix of NeXtstep misxed with FreeBSD. FreeBSD is a deriviative of UNIX, where as Mac OS X is a hybrid / derivative of a derivaitve. <Alpha_Cluster> i dont know anyone really up here to much... <tonyyarusso> Obsidian1723: http://www.macworld.co.uk/mac/news/index.cfm?newsid=19719&pagtype=allchandate <Alpha_Cluster> yeah unix is a cert nothing more <tonyyarusso> right <Obsidian1723> yah? <Obsidian1723> Well Mac OS isn't SCo, System V <Alpha_Cluster> why does that have anything to do wtih Unix? <Alpha_Cluster> all unix means is The Open Group certified it and its posix complient * Alpha_Cluster stabs 5400rpm hdd <Alpha_Cluster> stupid laptop harddrives <tonyyarusso> Alpha_Cluster: Seriously, if you could even get four or five people to hang out and talk about Lucid for an hour at a coffee shop it would make me happy. <tonyyarusso> And with that, I should head out. <Alpha_Cluster> tonyyarusso: we shall see what i can do <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: Same goes for you down in the South :) <Alpha_Cluster> yay im not hte only bad one >.< <Takyoji> :P <Takyoji> Otherwise it may have to be a week late. <Takyoji> As in, next week. <Alpha_Cluster> lol <Alpha_Cluster> yeah i haave the same problm <Alpha_Cluster> maybe the X server will work by then too <Alpha_Cluster> or have they fixed that * Obsidian1723 is back <Alpha_Cluster> UNIX smash <Takyoji> otherwise I'll actually have a laptop to bring with me for once. :D <Takyoji> for the installfest <Alpha_Cluster> lol i actually dont have a mobile linux comp >.< <Alpha_Cluster> i just got a vm <Obsidian1723> Good to have a mobile Linux box. <Takyoji> oh that's right, aren't you that Windows elitist that doesn't even use Ubuntu? :P <Takyoji> (kidding of course) <Alpha_Cluster> Takyoji: actually i a windows server and a MacBook Pro :p <Alpha_Cluster> i keep trying to use Ubuntu for my media center but ATI doesnt want it to happen <Obsidian1723> Try Mythbuntu? <Alpha_Cluster> ist the graphics driver tears <Alpha_Cluster> i know more then enough about linux to configure the rest but i cannot get fglrx to not tear <Obsidian1723> Swap it out for an Nvidia or a PTCV5500 <Obsidian1723> PCTV5500 <Obsidian1723> yeah ATI can be a biatchie. <Obsidian1723> You can never go wrong with Intel/Nvidia <Alpha_Cluster> oh iknow <Alpha_Cluster> yeah you can go very wrong <Obsidian1723> AMD/ATI, lotsa issues <Alpha_Cluster> i hate nvidia's elitism <Obsidian1723> 'yeah, but it works. <Alpha_Cluster> i dont care <Alpha_Cluster> i want it to work correctly <Alpha_Cluster> and in linux that means FOSS drivers <Obsidian1723> It's certainly less restrcitive than Apple is. <Obsidian1723> Well, FOSS is nice if you can get it... I'm not like rms where it must be free or zstrickland@example.net. <Alpha_Cluster> eh with apple i have no expectation that anything above cocoa is open on linux i shouldnt have to run a nvidia binary blog to get my grpahics <Alpha_Cluster> ati at least is making it possible to write the drivers <Alpha_Cluster> and actualy those drivers will probably work here in a few months for me <Alpha_Cluster> Obsidian1723: btw problem with the HD5500 no cable card <Alpha_Cluster> besides nvidida doesnt make hdmi ports on their graphics cards <Obsidian1723> True... <Alpha_Cluster> which is the only way i will plug a computer into my tv besides displayport <Takyoji> Isn't HDMI patent-encumbered? :P <Alpha_Cluster> ? <Obsidian1723> heh <Alpha_Cluster> you need to license it like 90% of port technologies <Alpha_Cluster> i dont believe there is anything encumbering about video going through it <h00k> tonyyarusso: I've been busy,the only thing that I see in the state is down in Madison where I'll be headed #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-04-28 <tonyyarusso> h00k: Yeah, my schedule's been a mess too. I know there's going to be one in the Twin Cities in mid-late May, and that's okay too if you need more time. <tonyyarusso> also @ Takyoji - late is fine <h00k> tonyyarusso: alright, I'll watch the mailing list <jenkinbr> tonyyarusso, not on my end, I've been insanely busy with RL, working 72+ hours a week, so I've barely had time to spend on the computer x.x <chinoto> anybody know where I can get a sticker like this (http://images1.cafepress.com/product/147820891v5_480x480_Front.jpg) locally or under 4.82 including shipping (I have a temporary visa card) <chinoto> I would get a ubuntu sticker, but if I were to switch distro then it wouldn't make sense <MTecknology> tonyyarusso: hi <MTecknology> So.. Are you guys going to be bumping up to the new theme? <MTecknology> I can't remove the old branch because your changes are stacked on top of it. :P <MTecknology> If you want to keep using it that's fine but I did make a new branch that it would be better stacked against. <MTecknology> It's not a big deal, I marked it as abandoned so if you want to keep stacked on it that's perfectly fine. I was just curious what your plans were. <tonyyarusso> MTecknology: lol..um, I suppose I'll have to look into that. Where can we see a demo of the new theme? <MTecknology> tonyyarusso: staging.profarius.com #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-04-29 <ripps> h00k: Any idea if we're gonna have a release party in the Duluth/Superior area? Madison is a bit too far for me <h00k> ripps: I've been so busy, I wasn't able to organize one up here. You are totally welcome to, if you'd like! I will be at the one in Madison on Sunday <tonyyarusso> MTecknology: Is it a full rewrite or minor modifications? We made some changes to the old one, and I'm curious how hard it will be to merge those. <tonyyarusso> ripps: I suspect we'll have a few delayed ones, as I know Mpls, South, and NW are not really ready, but looking into events as well. <tonyyarusso> It seems like most of us have had a hectic April. <ripps> tonyyarusso: my schedule is pretty busy as well, I've been having long days of U.S. Census Training. <tonyyarusso> ha, fun <h00k> yeek :) <MTecknology> tonyyarusso: ground up total rewrite <MTecknology> tonyyarusso: you have a peak yet? <tonyyarusso> A little, yes. Not a decision though. Certainly not going to try to roll it out this week. <MTecknology> tonyyarusso: what do you have for an opinion? <MTecknology> positive and negative all appreciated :) <tonyyarusso> Well, I kind of liked the brown, so the bright orange is a bit of a shock, but the feel is a bit more sleek. <MTecknology> It was a culture shock for me too :P <chinoto> anyone know the release time? <Takyoji> The exact time? <Takyoji> Just generally tomorrow. There's always been ISOs available, and people are able to upgrade to 10.04 right now <Takyoji> It's just that tomorrow it gets the label of being the official release (to my understanding) <chinoto> exact time of torrent being available <chinoto> I just realized I could have meant when is the new mountain dew going to be release... <chinoto> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/ only shows release candidates rather than regular release <tonyyarusso> chinoto: The exact time is not and has never been defined. <chinoto> ok <tonyyarusso> Usually it's between about 6:00 AM and 10:00 AM our time though, just based on history. <chinoto> well, back to homework then <chinoto> or screwing off >.> <Takyoji> :P <chinoto> does this group ever have meetings? <tonyyarusso> yeah, but not as often as we'd like. You should organize one! <chinoto> ... <chinoto> I don't think I would be a good organizer <chinoto> I don't even have a license (close though) <Takyoji> Just set a date. :P <Takyoji> otherwise we're past due for a meeting this month * Takyoji blames it on tonyyarusso :P <tonyyarusso> yup <chinoto> I set TOMORROW :D <chinoto> (cause of the official release) <chinoto> (also I was kidding) <Takyoji> :P <Takyoji> otherwise I think meetings are typically every first tuesday of the month. <Takyoji> Then again, I've probably still got it wrong. :P <chinoto> yay installfest http://ubuntu-minnesota.org/events <chinoto> May 1st <Takyoji> Yea, I'll be there. <Takyoji> and I'll actually has a laptop fer once! <chinoto> maybe I should do my homework >.> <Takyoji> Pssh, homework's overrated. :P <Takyoji> only pansies do homework! <Takyoji> (joking of course) <chinoto> I have english and visual basic (have to switch back to windows for that >:() from last week <chinoto> anyone know how to start programming in php, like make a program with a button? <chinoto> it doesn't even have to do anything <Takyoji> Yea, there's extensions for PHP to do that. <chinoto> ? <Takyoji> Though PHP isn't really considered much of a language of development of desktop applications. <Takyoji> http://gtk.php.net/ <Takyoji> For development of desktop applications, Python would be more suitable <chinoto> I suggested learning C to my dad and he said it would be easier to learn php <chinoto> I've seen a lot of apps using python <Takyoji> I also consider PHP an easier platform to learn from (if you have a general knowledge of HTML/CSS) <chinoto> I do a little bit of html stuff in notepad++ for my website <Takyoji> otherwise I have books on PHP, XHTML/CSS, JS, Ajax, XML, Python, C, C++, C#, UML, and so on. <Takyoji> and my primary job is web development, primarily dealing with PHP <chinoto> neat <Takyoji> If you want to borrow any books, perhaps you could be at the installfest in St. Paul and I could lend them to you. :P <chinoto> did you have anything to do with the loco group's website? <Takyoji> Yes, I have some administrative privileges. I have a couple changes that I want to submit that I haven't submitted yet. <chinoto> 6 months later: here's your book back <Takyoji> otherwise it's a Drupal installation <Takyoji> I know XHTML, CSS, and PHP to a depth. So I don't really "need" the books currently. :P <chinoto> brb <Takyoji> otherwise I have yet to actually do something with Python yet <Takyoji> and I have to leave for the night; I shall return tomorrow as usual. <chinoto> American Pie with apple pie, bye <tonyyarusso> Let the insanity ensue. <sparklehistory> Does that mean it's released? <tonyyarusso> No, it means that thousands of people in #ubuntu-release-party are asking "are we there yet"? every 0.003 seconds. <sparklehistory> ah <chinoto> I wanted to ask if anyone had an estimate, but I already asked yesterday :D <chinoto> apparently 6AM-10AM wasn't right <tonyyarusso> chinoto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IncidentReports/2010-04-29-Late-respin-for-bug-570765 <chinoto> I was hoping to crawl out of bed and download the torrent right away <chinoto> well better safe than stuck (I need windows for vb class) <chinoto> RELEASED! <tonyyarusso> NOW it's actually released. <sparklehistory> yay <chinoto> just downloaded deluge, hope it's like utorrent <chinoto> wow thats a lot of peers 0_o <chinoto> I wish I had a cd labeler so I could make my disk perty <chinoto> so who plans on seeding the torrent? <tonyyarusso> I will be. <tonyyarusso> ALready trying to, although deluge is throwing some errors. <chinoto> like what? <chinoto> I'm already seeding, aiming to give back twice <chinoto> my client says no incoming connections, yet I am seeding at near 200 KiB/s (set my limit) <chinoto> probably should cut back, internet is slowing down <chinoto> ok no more seeding for me, brother complained about not being able to do his homework <chinoto> anyone figure out how to upgrade from disk (upgrade not fresh install or network upgrade) <chinoto> I'll probably do a fresh install later, but I want to try an upgrade to see how everything functions <chinoto> I should have separated my home directory... <ripps> Is there anybody near Duluth/Superior that wants to help plan a release party? #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-04-30 <Takyoji> You can pretty much update from a LiveCD as a repository, correct? <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: um, you might need the Alternate for that. I can never remember for sure. <tonyyarusso> ripps: No, but I might be willing to come to one even if I'm not nearby :) <Takyoji> Downloading the Alternate CD torrent as well then * tonyyarusso downloaded all 7 torrents so he can seed them all. * Obsidian1723 waits for 10.04.1LTS <tonyyarusso> h00k: mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca is my favorite. <tonyyarusso> It's what I populate my local mirror from. <h00k> tonyyarusso: it's fast, I assume? <h00k> .ca, where is that? <tonyyarusso> Canada. <tonyyarusso> Specifically, Waterloo, Ontario. <h00k> oh. you would use a Canadian server <exigraff> s/Canadian/socialist/ * tonyyarusso is a socialist and proud of it, so there! <h00k> tonyyarusso: I don't wanna get into explaining ESXi and trying to figure that out :( * Takyoji wonders how many here will be attending the installfest tomorrow at TIES #ubuntu-us-mn 2011-04-01 <Takyoji> Heh http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/ <locodir-user> heh #ubuntu-us-mn 2011-04-04 <Takyoji1> I love how I can pretty much throw any hardware I get at Linux, and of it just working <Takyoji1> Does LXDE Debian honestly not have 'ifconfig' and so on installed? #ubuntu-us-mn 2011-04-05 <fisch246> alright so i was thinking we just have the release party to be just about getting to know each other <tonyyarusso> Sounds good - that's what h00k's Superior one was - just hanging out and having fun over eats. <Takyoji1> Are all the installfests on ubuntu-minnesota.org or? <Takyoji1> I only noticed one <Takyoji1> And none of them are on the Google Calendar <fisch246> Takyoji1: well there's only 1 cause i was the only one motivated enough to post one on there :/ <tonyyarusso> Takyoji1: um, yeah - we've kind of sucked about putting things up places. <tonyyarusso> but yeah, there's only one up right now. * tonyyarusso wonders if the web site is properly producing an ics <Takyoji1> of which isn't Penguins Unbound, or? <fisch246> i didn't even know there was a google calender >.> <tonyyarusso> PU should be on there, but nobody's bothered to look up the details and enter it yet :) <tonyyarusso> fisch246: we used that before the new web site, but the new web site should be able to make it's own calendar <fisch246> ah <Takyoji1> Because I was just looking today, especially considering about my potential location which now isn't possible. xP <fisch246> well anyway... i was hoping to have at least the metro area motivated and doing something by ubuntu 12.04 <Takyoji1> I guess I'll see if the Faribault community center would permit hosting an installfest, only issue is internet, unless if all the packages could be available on a cache server <Takyoji1> I suppose I'll try it tomorrow <tonyyarusso> Takyoji1: You can use this URL in Google Calendar or other apps: http://ubuntu-minnesota.org/event/ical/all/all <tonyyarusso> I'm not sure what the /all/all part means right now. <tonyyarusso> fisch246: your event appears to lack a end time also <fisch246> yea i know <fisch246> doesn't have one... kind of the point... <tonyyarusso> looks to work without the all/all <fisch246> however you have to RSVP to show up... <Takyoji1> So yea, I went to a local computer repair store today, checked if they'd be would be able to assist any clients of mine that I'd defer to them (such as an option of basic support, or even simple hardware) and they seemed very uninterested and "there's not enough demand" <tonyyarusso> fisch246: it makes it look funny when people are importing it to scheduling apps. <fisch246> ah <fisch246> mmk <fisch246> i'll make the end time be 8 then <Takyoji1> Anyway; I suppose I'll start working on mnopensource.org finally, which I intend on being a directory of retailers, tech support, individuals, and so on that would be comfortable with having Linux user customers. <Takyoji1> I'm curious if anyone has input on such <fisch246> there :P <fisch246> o? <fisch246> keep me updated on that <fisch246> i might mention the site in my blog <tonyyarusso> Takyoji1: sounds useful to me <Takyoji1> I'll have it as something that all of us can contribute to <Takyoji1> So like, it wouldn't be rubber stamp of "Walmart in general can help you with Linux-supported hardware!" when it would only be specific ones. xP <tonyyarusso> I can put my note about who to ask for at Qwest on there. <fisch246> i'm tempted to grab people apart of our LoCo team and start driving around, and pitched "System 76" to all the stores <fisch246> s/pitched/start pitching <Takyoji1> What categories should I have? Printers, networking (such as wireless cards and Ethernet cards), disability support (such as helping those with getting accessibility tools working, such as text-to-speech readers, or whatever type of tools there are), peripherals, technical support, desktop/laptop retail, etc <Takyoji1> And then for listings I'd have types such as: retailer, support, freelancer, individual/advocate * Takyoji1 shrugs <tonyyarusso> Takyoji1: Companies and people would be far better to list than hardware or software. <tonyyarusso> There are already dozens of hardware support databases. Don't attempt to duplicate their work - you will fail. Only list things that are specific to Minnesota. <Takyoji1> I think tomorrow I'll go to the local Cartridge World, and see if they'd be interested or so <Takyoji1> Well, I'm not listing hardware specifically <Takyoji1> Just components <Takyoji1> Like if someone wants a printer, they can find a store that knows which products of theirs work, and so on <tonyyarusso> Okay, that's fine, yeah <tonyyarusso> If it's user-edited though, be watching for the idiot that tries to say "Store X sells the HP Model 235250235, which works great" <Takyoji1> But yes, I'm also going to start seriously doing freelance work in the area, such as with support and so on <tonyyarusso> You can list my company, which ONLY supports our product running on Linux :P <tonyyarusso> (by my I mean where I work, not own) <Takyoji1> Because in all honesty, it would be on a basis of: local companies/individuals, and each would be tagged with their specialty <Takyoji1> So a person can say "webcams" (or perhaps not as specific), and find all areas nearby that provide webcams that are known and supported <Takyoji1> But not listing the brands/models <tonyyarusso> It would be nifty to have companies specializing in Linux/FLOSS based solutions, like Nagios and CodeWeavers. <Takyoji1> Just what would it be listed as then? Software, or? <fisch246> brb someone posted a fix to a bug, that i now need to see if it works <tonyyarusso> Dunno - could have a plain companies category <Takyoji1> And yay for postal code to GPS databases <Takyoji1> (for approximation, yes) <Takyoji1> otherwise how shall "verification" be done? <Takyoji1> Like, what type of trust system would be used, or something, for adding new companies/stores/people to the directory. <Takyoji1> just have myself as the only one able to add new entries, or? <tonyyarusso> Um, why would you be converting the postal code to GPS coordinates just to check if it's in Minnesota? Postal codes don't cross state lines. <Takyoji1> No, I'm implying so a person can just type their postal code, to see what companies/people are closest. <Takyoji1> for a search <Takyoji1> fisch246, you're hosting an installfest, yus, or? <fisch246> a release party <fisch246> the deadline to RSVP is april 16th <Takyoji1> Solely a release party, or a release party that's also an installfest, or? <fisch246> nah just a release party <fisch246> since no one will be installing at the party... <Takyoji1> What was the Facebook event URI? <fisch246> unless people want an after party install fest at my house... <Takyoji1> Yay, nerdy socialization. :P <fisch246> i could put on music, and we all can use my wifi to install 11.04 <fisch246> however i don't own this house... my parents do <fisch246> but my dad is for sure coming <fisch246> he's the most nerdy guy i know <fisch246> he'll fit right in XD <Takyoji1> Too bad in the next version, they're not allowing a choice of a standard GNOME desktop environment, rather, strictly Unity I believe. <Takyoji1> You're in the metro area, correct? <fisch246> yup <fisch246> and actually you'll be able to get gnome post-release <fisch246> in the PPA <Takyoji1> I'm in Faribault, but of course willing to drive <fisch246> the party is in hopkins <fisch246> if you want to be official... you'll have to give me your name and email <fisch246> i'll be posting stuff like my number for directions if need be <fisch246> but it's really easy to find <Takyoji1> But yes, you had a Facebook event posted, correct? <Takyoji1> (or at least of what I recall you referencing previously) <fisch246> o right <fisch246> let me pull it up <fisch246> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=149419005115119 <Takyoji1> and no Diaspora event? D: <fisch246> >.< <fisch246> i forgot to update the event page... <Takyoji1> Kidding of course. :P <fisch246> well the email has the most up to date info <fisch246> i'll be sending out emails to everyone who RSVP'd <fisch246> after april 16th <Takyoji1> Directly via email or Facebook, correct? <fisch246> email <fisch246> but i need to have your name and email so i can put you on the guest list <fisch246> and keep you up to date <fisch246> but hold on <fisch246> i'm gonna boot into 10.10 <fisch246> my home folder is encrypted and i need to get at a file <Takyoji1> or you could manually mount it. :P <fisch246>
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