#kubuntu 2005-10-01 <[pbC] Obst> hi <Tortel> sUp? * Tortel walks off <theintern> can anyone help me open port 22 and 80? <blueyed> theintern: on your firewall? do you use some iptables wrapper? guarddog for exmaple? <theintern> no i just installed kubuntu and new to kde (from gnome), so im unfamiliar with the setup <theintern> i want to be able to access port 22 and 80 <robin> can i connect to two irc servers at the same time? <theintern> blueyed: i was asked by a friend if i had guard dog installed (dont see it in the apt repos) is this what people use? <theintern> in gnome i could just go click a check box that said ssh and it opened port 22 for me =p <McScruff> lo <McScruff> im haveing problems installing klibido <McScruff> can anyone help <sedeki> where is the default microphone /dev-file <satafterh> when is 5.10 due out?? <bobbyd> satafterh, october <bobbyd> satafterh, it says that on the preview page linked to in the topic <gdh> satafterh: The clue is in the version number... <gdh> satafterh: all releases are YY.MM .. 04.10 oct '05, 05.04, April '05 etc. <satafterh> ic didnt know that <gdh> 04.10 oct '04 I meant =) <satafterh> i notice there are over 500 people in the ubuntu channel and only 97 here, do most people really like unbunu better you think?? <gdh> It's been around longer. Ubuntu itself also enjoys much more media attention. <gdh> magazine coverdiscs, the free 'ShipIt' system etc. <satafterh> I have only been using linux for about 3 months but i guess i like kde better <satafterh> is there a sytem restore type utility <bobbyd> satafterh, what do you want it to do? something like norton ghost? <jrattner_> how do i restart the kicker <jrattner_> ? <satafterh> yes and also like xp restor <Rogue_Jedi_X> Actually, a utility like that would be sweet to have <blueyed> theintern: I had guarddog on my desktop, before I installed shorewall there too. Shorewall is somewhat more complicated, because it needs config file editing. Guarddog is much more comfortable. <satafterh> ddo we need a fireee wall and/or virus software with linux? <Tortel> i dont think so.... <bobbyd> theintern, I use firestarter, it's pretty simple.... <jrattner_> Why does kweather keep loading Station 0000 <bobbyd> jrattner_, I don't know, I noticed kweather was broken in hoary <jrattner_> bobbyd, do you have the same problem? <satafterh> i cant even find kweather <bobbyd> jrattner_, I just coulnd't get it to update any stations <jrattner_> bobbyd, weird.... <jrattner_> what other cool things are there for KDE <bobbyd> jrattner_, maybe it's just that I have the ports closed... <bobbyd> jrattner_, umm, konqueror :) <jrattner_> bobbyd, I dont think so, I can get it to update stations but it resets every time <jrattner_> bobbyd, im a firefox guy <bobbyd> I like dragging links from konqueror straight to a directory and having it save them there <jrattner_> bobbyd, are there any other cool toys <bobbyd> jrattner_, I like the way you can right-click a window and use the advanced menu to keep it on top <bobbyd> jrattner_, i tend to just do work, so I don't know :) <jrattner_> hehe <jrattner_> this is on my college laptop <bobbyd> jrattner_, kdevelop is cool :) <jrattner_> i noticed : ) <bobbyd> but it's project management setup isn't as slick as .NET just yet <jrattner_> ANyone know ehere I can find out about ALL the KDE applets and stuff <`Nomad> Hi.. I'm looking at getting a full copy of the website from work. Is wget still the best tool to use? <`Nomad> well I'm using it now :) <blueyed> jrattner_: www.kde.org, www.kde-apps.org <Tallia1[UbuntU] > hi guys.. i need some help, i'm trying to install winXP on my kubuntu machine with vmware but i have this problem: even if i had specified the /media/hdc (my cdrom device) to be mounted on the virtual machine boot, in the first moment every kind of booting (HD, floppy, cdrom) is skipped and the network booting is started... what could i do? (the cdrom is shown mounted in the bottom-left corner) <_ethan> hmm <_ethan> Hello! <phil_> hello ethan_ <spermite> can some one plz send me a link or a copy oh there /etc/apt/sources.list that i need to be using? <phil_> spermite: what do you want to do with my sorces list <phil_> oops sources <phil_> have u destroyed yours <Tortel> hi <phil_> Tortel: hello <Tortel> im bored, so i came here <spermite> phil well i got a new install and i cant get any packages i need with the ones i got <phil_> what r u using breezy or hoary <spermite> lol actually debian <spermite> i dont see why it would hurt <phil_> well I can,t help u <phil_> ill dens it to you whats your e0mail <spermite> gmail? <phil_> ok <spermite> rhonda96@example.net <spermite> opps <spermite> rhonda96@example.net <spermite> forgot my r <Tortel> anything intersting going on here? <spermite> mmm, not yet. <Tortel> :( <Tortel> i have hoary <Tortel> in windows atm tho <spermite> um <spermite> i been to distro to distro this week <phil_> spermite: got the list <spermite> yes <phil_> Tortel: not much <Tortel> im still bored <spermite> hmm how would i upgrade from kde 3.2 to kde 3.4.2 but just the kdebase? <Tortel> im just guessing here, but try the package manager <phil_> spermite: u have to update most of all aot to be compatible <Tortel> or sudo apt-get install kde <Tortel> the terminal hates me tho <Tortel> :( <Tortel> http://www.warpmod.com/dev/Tortel/bash.png <phil_> Tortel: what r u doing in kubuntu if your running GNOME! <Tortel> i have hoary <Tortel> :P <Tortel> plain ubuntu <spermite> when u are in a quiet room do u all ever hear a ringing sound in ur ears? <Tortel> yea <spermite> i thnik i might be going crazy <Tortel> i hear that when its quiet <phil_> spermite: depends on how tired I am <Tortel> i always do if its quiet <phil_> spermite: well have u ever heard voices if so don't listen to them <phil_> spermite: its call acouphene <phil_> spermite: listening to them never lead me to anything good <spermite> = <spermite> hope i never hear voices <phil_> spermite: I was just kidding <Tortel> can i see a screenshot of the KDE desktop? * Tortel would try kubuntu, but wants to see a screen <phil_> Tortel: what screenshot my dektop? <Tortel> that works, i just want to see how it differs from gnome <phil_> Torel give me two min <Tortel> kk <phil_> Tortel: I need to ssh in my other machine <spermite> hmm xsessionis need it corect? <spermite> er keep my default version <Tortel> wow, windows hates me too <Tortel> :( <Tortel> http://www.warpmod.com/dev/Tortel/bash.JPG <Tortel> and i scared him off <Tortel> :'( <phil_> Tortel: Screen shot on the way <Tortel> :D <phil_> Tortel: how about playing a game <phil_> if your bored <Tortel> im out of fun games... <Tortel> :( <Tortel> played BF1942 til it got boring, BF2 was same, and JK2 too <phil_> Tortel: nice work in http://www.warpmod.com/dev/Tortel/ <Tortel> omg, i thought i blocked thaat!!! <Tortel> D: <Tortel> lol <phil_> Tortel: that why i told u <Tortel> ha <Tortel> >:) <Toma-> anyone know how to import the gnome menu to kde? <thehil> How do I link C library with C++ code? <Foodcoman> Screwed up and clicked the set time automatically button for the clock, cant get it back the way it used to be. <phil_> if i'm running an athlon machine whihc kernel is better i686 or k7 <capiCrimm> with kubuntu how do I lock down the items ion the panel? <thehil> How does new operator in C++ work. Can anyone give an example of allocating an array of int with size 3? <hydrogen> /join ##c++ <phil_> thehil: why not discuss this in the correct channel <BlankB> does anyone know if any repository has a copy of cinelerra 2.0 ? <kianziack> hello i'm back <kianziack> any one here <kianziack> heloooooo <kianziack> heeeelo <kianziack> any one here <kianziack> i need help <kianziack> i'm a new user of kubunut <kianziack> i'm a new user of kubuntu <kianziack> tnx <BlankB> Ask a question. If anyone here knows the answer they will answer. <BlankB> Or if you just want to chat. What's up? <spermite> this right. apt-get dist-upgrade? to get the newest kde? <jrattner1> Whats the difference between Kubuntu and installing KDE for ubuntu? <jsubl2> kubuntu allows you to install all of the kde stuff with out installing the gnome stuff first.. other than that they are the same <Jeezis> anyone else unable to get on ubuntuforums.org? <crimsun> known issue. <Jeezis> crimsun: thanks <Jeezis> could you tell me what i should add to my sources.list so i can grab the w32codecs package <crimsun> debian-marillat or hoary-extras <crimsun> I use the former carefully <Jeezis> crimsun: could you give me the entire thing? sorry, i've been having all sorts of trouble with ubuntu sites today :-/ <Jeezis> *the entire address i mean <crimsun> Jeezis: debian.video.free.fr, read it. <Jeezis> ok <Jeezis> wonderful, so i can't get the package atm <Jeezis> bah, error, no pubkey for the debian-marillat <crimsun> so read the Web page again <cosimo321> hello <Jeezis> i'm still not seeing where it would give me a missing public key <delltony> hi guys and gals if any :) <crimsun> Jeezis: see wiki.ubuntu.com/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary <thoreauputic> Jeezis: if all you need id the w32codecs, just download it directly and do sudo dpkg -i on it <thoreauputic> s/id/is <Jeezis> thoreauputic: where would i download it from, that's all i'm looking for <thoreauputic> Jeezis: I assume from the site crimsun pointed you to <thoreauputic> just a matter of searching/browsing <thoreauputic> on that repo - or did I miss something ? <delltony> yo thoreauputic you wouldn't have any knowledge on the maxtor onetouch external harddrives would you? <delltony> i have one on order and wondering how hard its gonna be to make it work with linux <thoreauputic> dell500: I'm abysmally ignorant on all hardware subjects :) <Jeezis> got it, thanks for the links crimsun <Jeezis> and thoreauputic <thoreauputic> :) <delltony> well i'm hoping since its usb the drive will show up in dsmeg or whatever then i can mount it <jeh> hm, gam_server keeps crashing my kubuntu. but only with the 2.6.11 kernel (kubuntu packaged) <jeh> i tried 2.6.11 as i was told that usb on the default 2.6.10 was buggy. i kept having oops:es and usb susbsystem massacres when i tried plugging in my ipod <jeh> seems like at least usb isn't really ready for prime time usage yet <CaiN_SA> there are probs with usb in 2.6.10 and 2.6.10 <CaiN_SA> my usb mouse goes to "sleep" <CaiN_SA> and doesnt want to awake again <CaiN_SA> so i have to reboot <CaiN_SA> get 2.6.12 :) <jeh> my usb mouse works fine though, no problems with that at all <jeh> 2.6.12 means going with a stock kernel, and it's a royal pain in the rectum to get all weird stuff compiled that a defaul kubuntu seems to load <jeh> ever checked "lsmod"? dozens of loaded modules that are not needed <jeh> probably something breaks in the boot/init process if all the modules aren't available <jeh> i'll keep using windows for all non-trivial usb stuff, at least there i know it works. maybe breezy is a bit more stable wrt usb and gam <womblenz> Where's the best place to get help with making the funky keys on the keyboard work in Kubuntu? <womblenz> I <womblenz> I've tried the xev and some config file but that didn't work.... <Tm_T> funky keys? <chx> hi. i have severe problems with skype. I even tried the static linked against qt version. I type skype, press enter and dang nothing happens . there are no 'stuck' skype processes <chx> by 'nothing' i mean it just stands there , does not end , does not run <womblenz> Funky keys, like Volume up/down, calculator etc.... xev gives me the scan codes, where do I put the bindings? <Tm_T> :/ <womblenz> And what do I need to restart to get the keys working? kdm? <womblenz> Yeah, I've tried STFW but I guess my google skills aren't up to it :) <BlankB> womblenz: I cant seem to get ubuntuforums.org up...so google is useless for searches about ubuntu. 8( <womblenz> That's the place to check... OK, I'll search there when it returns <womblenz> Thanks! <BlankB> have you looked at this article: http://opensource.weblogsinc.com/entry/1234000300044362/ <womblenz> Wow, trying that now... <BlankB> this was my google search: (ubuntu | kubuntu) windows key <womblenz> Nice.. "Or"ing and everything... <BlankB> 8) <nikkia> womblenz: you have a few choices, in most cases, you can use 'configure shortcuts' within the application you want to control, it should recognise the media keys assuming xkb has detected them properly (they will appear as key's named things like xf86AudioLowerVolume <nikkia> womblenz: if you want a global key, you can use the hotkeys control within kcontrol - if it works for you, or the general KDE shortcuts <nikkia> womblenz: you can also use the menu editor to assign shortcut keys for running programs, and again should be able to use the media keys if xkb recognises them <nikkia> IF the keys aren't detected, then the probable solution is to change/add the 'Option "XkbModel" "..."' line in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to specify the right keyboard model as listed in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/inet - logiaccess is generally a good generic keyboard table, as most media keyboards tend to use the same scancodes as the logitech keyboards <nikkia> but if your keyboard is one listed in there, you would want to make sure the model name is set accordingly <womblenz> Sorry, was afk... Thanks heaps for that nikkia <womblenz> Restart KDM or the whole shibang? <nikkia> womblenz: restart X, easiest way is ctrl-alt-backspace <nikkia> if kdm is setup right, that keyboard shortcut (which kills X) should force X, and KDM, to restart automatically <womblenz> Excellent, thanks <Thijs_T> hello <Thijs_T> bleh everyone afk? <Thijs_T> hi <Tm_T> hmh <CaiN_SA> network-admin <--- with which package does it come ? <kianziack> hello <ubuntu> anyone her that can help me? <Thijs_T> here* <kianziack> how can i update my pc? <aftertaf> !tell kianziack about repositories <kianziack> help me to <aftertaf> Thijs_T: ask away... <Thijs_T> i am a total linux newbie :) and im trying to install firefox, i download the tar.gz and now im stuck :p <kianziack> me i want to update my pc using apt-get but i forget to remove the # at the consol list i think <kianziack> any one know the command <Thijs_T> i dont :P <kianziack> argh <Thijs_T> i just booted this live cd, and this is like the first time im on linux ever <kianziack> me to <_ethanfel> are you on ubuntu ? <Thijs_T> nope im on kub <kianziack> me to kubuntu here <_ethanfel> program->systeme->kynaptic <_ethanfel> search : firefox <_ethanfel> it's all :) <kianziack> how about my probs <Thijs_T> okay let me try <kianziack> the console list <aftertaf> Thijs_T: dont use source code.... learn about apt <kianziack> i want to remove the # on the console list <kianziack> so that i cant upadate my pc? <kianziack> so that i cant upadate my pc <aftertaf> kianziack: install synaptic and manage your sources list that way..... <_ethanfel> you can use kynaptic for upgrade too <kianziack> where can i find synatic? <aftertaf> yeah true...... personal prefs though ;) <_ethanfel> in kynaptic :p <kianziack> im using kubuntu <aftertaf> kianziack: run kynaptic first ok? <kianziack> wait ill try to search it <aftertaf> erf, i dont have it anymore on breezy ;) <_ethanfel> kynaptic is like synaptic but synaptic is better <aftertaf> kianziack: ok...... you were in console just now, right? <kianziack> yup <kianziack> what should i do? <kianziack> i try to type this "console.list" but it wont work <kianziack> command not found <Thijs_T> okay i went to kynaptic, searched for firefox selected install then clicked commit changes to system <Thijs_T> and nothing happens <aftertaf> Thijs_T: have you enabled other repositories? or just installed from cd? <aftertaf> if youve enabled them, install synaptic.... much better <Thijs_T> uh im using the live cd <Thijs_T> i dont think i have repositories enabled <aftertaf> ahhhhhhh. <aftertaf> any of you opera users around? <ubuntu> =s <aftertaf> hi again. <Thijs_T> hi <Thijs_T> should i just install kubuntu and then install synaptic? <aftertaf> i dunno about the live cd. never used it. <aftertaf> Thijs_T: you can just type sudo apt-get install firefox in console <kianziack> could not open file /var/lib/apt/list/lock <Thijs_T> aftertaf: i typed it in console console dissapeared nothing happens <Thijs_T> oh wait <Thijs_T> i see what i did wrong i think <Thijs_T> now im getting: <Thijs_T> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Paes (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-i38ckages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) <Thijs_T> could it be that i can't do it because im on a live cd? <Thijs_T> could it be that i can't do it because im on a live cd? <CaiN_SA> erm ok i installed zulu and xhoza language for kde <CaiN_SA> but when i go into the kde acces stuff for language <CaiN_SA> i cant add zulu nor choose it <CaiN_SA> any idead ? <kianziack> hey i just ded open kypnatic <kianziack> do i have to check it all and upgrade? <kianziack> i mean install <Thijs_T> got to go <Thijs_T> bye and thanks for the help aftertaf (merci pour l'assistance) <kianziack> do i have to install all here in kynaptic? <kianziack> do i have to install all here in kynaptic? * Kamping_At_Hut hugs ssh X forwarding <Tm_T> Kamping_At_Hut: yu <nikon> ummmm <nikon> is ati supported with kubuntu <aftertaf> nikon: normally yes. what is your card? <nikon> radeon 7500 <aftertaf> think its supported, why, what pb you having? <aftertaf> !ati <ubotu> methinks ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10&highlight=fglrx <nikon> k <nikon> what program can i to stream radio <aftertaf> vlc was the only one that worked for me yesterday..... you paste in the url u want. <aftertaf> others can do too, but the url i tried yesterday, only vlc <nikon> yeah,i was wondering of other than vlc <aftertaf> ohh... depends on url. i have used bmp and xmms in the past.... in kde kaffeine want s to do it all, but i haven't got it working on radio yet <nikon> i am going to try kaffiene now <avinoam> I set alt+shift to switch languages in KDE and it doesn't work. Anyone know why? <aftertaf> is the kde 3.5 beta install pb sorted? <Crys_UbuPC> Hey, does ubuntu need to be started specifically in alsa mode to correctly run the alsa sound drivers? <willie> where does Debian/kubuntu keep ld.so.conf? <willie> I just installed Breezy Badger - used to be SuSE <willie> and now I cant find ld.so.conf <gdh> just in /etc <gdh> if it's not there, then none is required by default <willie> thanks <kakalto> can I safely resize my current linux reiserfs partition? how? <gdh> No, you can not do anything safely on ricerfs other than mkfs.ext3 :) <gdh> <flame-suit on> <kakalto> :P <Tm_T> haha <mcscruff> hi <aftertaf> hi <aftertaf> brb <aftertaf> :) <mcscruff> :( <incubii> evening peoples :) <mcscruff> lo <incubii> decided to set me self up a hoary server at work <incubii> much nicer then the fedora boxes there :D <mcscruff> :O <mcscruff> i got it as a desktop machine <mcscruff> looks so nice graphicly <incubii> ah i run breezy on my laptop and desktop at work <incubii> desktop is a G5 <incubii> :D <mcscruff> i love the kdm <incubii> yeah KDE looks sweet <mcscruff> i want a mac lappy, but im waitingtill x86 :) <incubii> even my fellow gnome buddies started getting jealous <mcscruff> g5 would be good if it could run cedega <mcscruff> can u duel boot osx and kubuntu? <lunitik> mcscruff: yes <lunitik> you'd have to look into yaboot though... I'm not familier with how... <mcscruff> i need help installing vmware <mcscruff> breezy gives me errors <mcscruff> horay was ok :( <mcscruff> where can i paste <lunitik> mcscruff: paste.ubuntulinux.nl I think <mcscruff> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2534 <incubii> yeah you can dual boot <incubii> ubuntu sets it up for you :) <incubii> and yes it does use yaboot <mcscruff> i think i will wait till mac x86 comes out <lunitik> mcscruff: umm... it tells you whats wrong... <mcscruff> how do i fix it <lunitik> mcscruff: recompile the kernel... or install gcc 3.4.5 :/ <mcscruff> time to google <lunitik> ffs <mcscruff> :) <lunitik> why do I bother... I need to start using a distro that targets non-morons again :/ <mcscruff> lol <mcscruff> i have never needed to recompile <lunitik> mcscruff: note I said OR <incubii> lol lunitik how about GNU/Hurd <mcscruff> i know how to do the gcc, but i want to learn the recompile <lunitik> incubii: too slow <lunitik> incubii: actually moving along nicely though... used it about 3 months ago for like a week <incubii> havent checked it out in a while <lunitik> incubii: crosshurd ;) <lunitik> incubii: set you up a dual boot hurd/linux system :) <incubii> looking at it now <lunitik> or even freebsd/linux with same userland :) <lunitik> bah @ netbsd but not supporting all of netbsd's arch's <lunitik> They finally ported the os to a toaster though... lol <mcscruff> yep <incubii> ha <incubii> finally my toaster is immune to viruses <Tm_T> incubii ii ii! <Tm_T> =) <incubii> hey Tm_T <Tm_T> what's up <incubii> 'The ubuntuforums will be back shortly we are having some hardware issues. 9/26/2005 - 7:28AM EST :( <incubii> not much <incubii> just chillin' from a hard days work <Tm_T> bored= <Tm_T> ? <incubii> what about yourself <Tm_T> I'm fine <incubii> just built myself an ubuntu server to push out my windows network installs <incubii> now time to replace all the RHEL servers <incubii> and FDC ones <seaLne> does anyone get a "your platform is not supported" dialog trying to go into the network settings in system settings on breezy? <incubii> yes i got that last week <incubii> then i apt-get and it was gone <gdh> The sort of error that Wile E. Coyote would see on-screen just before plummeting to the bottom of a canyon :) <seaLne> incubii: ok cool <incubii> yeah was annoying i had to use kcontrol still and then i found out that was busted too :D <incubii> but glad its fixed now <seaLne> my home install is a wee bit out of date i keep planning to reboot :) <lunitik> seaLne: no need to reboot a linux machine :/ <lunitik> seaLne: enless you're gonna use a new kernel... but no real point in that if the old one works :/ <seaLne> well for the last few weeks bluetooth has been upset and processes can't be killed and i want to talk to my phone <aftertaf> uptime 7 years, kernel 2.0.6 <aftertaf> note to self, reboot ! <lunitik> aftertaf: ahh... 2.4 and prior kernels reset uptime after 60-something days :/ <aftertaf> lunitik wins the 'spot the newbie' contest :) <lunitik> Hardly... been using Linux since 2002 :/ <lunitik> Enless you mean you... in which case... its too early to be getting complicated >: <lunitik> >:| * <aftertaf> :) spot the newbie, not IS a newbie <lunitik> ;) <aftertaf> then again, been breaking debian for 2 odd years, but still a slow learner <lunitik> I find breaking Debian systems to be very hard :( <lunitik> Enless I enable experimental... then its kinda easy :D <aftertaf> lunitik: exact. i kept doing that cos i found synaptic 0.12 kinda ugly <aftertaf> then i'd break it, get annoyed and ignore linux for months before trying again..... <lunitik> pinning is great :/ <lunitik> enabling all of experimental for one package is not very smart :/ <aftertaf> at all..... esp when n00b <aftertaf> lol <aftertaf> getting better tho <lunitik> I usually enabled it for kde or gnome stuff... takes too much time to set a pin on all related packages :/ <aftertaf> then again, woody was pretty ancient <aftertaf> ubuntu came out 2 years too late for me to learn and become a hardcore u$3r * lunitik used Sid through the woody and sarge releases... who cares about releases... :/ <lunitik> They just meant I waited longer for things cuz everyone was working on getting a release out... <aftertaf> hehe. i didnt know how to repair sid problems..... one i kept having was libbonobo 2.4 problems. <lunitik> I rarely used GNOME... <aftertaf> but i learnt some good stuff with debian that is now usable in a less stressfull context <lunitik> Although now I probably have like 18 months straight of GNOME experience :/ <aftertaf> lunitik: i did to begin with, all the pbs i had got me on kde... i dont like rhonda96@example.net. <lunitik> Probably not that long actually... like a week prior to woody... <aftertaf> we have the choice, a good thing..... ;) <lunitik> I used to despise GNOME... still don't think I'm fond of it... "any chance of implementing this useful feature", "no, it makes things too complicated"... no... it makes it easier :/ <lunitik> (one example of a real 'discussion' with a gnome devel about getting an application menu) <lunitik> I hate going to the corner of the screen to get a menu... :/ <aftertaf> lol i can believe it.... kde is my fave too... the other hardcore WMs i dont know how to make em run yet <mrmarcel> Hmm... i cant change my resolution to 1280x1024 :-( <lunitik> haha... they're not hard... but KDE feels just as fast... and about the only cool feature it doesn't have is tabbed windows... <aftertaf> true, kde is fast... and i never use over 50% of my memory..... and 5% swap :) <lunitik> mrmarcel: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf ... scroll down, and add it into depth 24's mode line <aftertaf> mrmarcel: is it supported by hardware? <aftertaf> brb, work calling ;) <lunitik> aftertaf: thats actually bad... memory feeds processor... <lunitik> If there is nothing to feed... you get wasted clock cycles :/ <mcscruff> ok, how do i recompile the kernel <lunitik> mcscruff: I'm not teaching you that... find a faq/howto <lunitik> mcscruff: what happened to installing gcc 3.4.5? <mcscruff> cant find the gcc <mrmarcel> aaah, okay, thx =D <mcscruff> got 3.4 <mcscruff> not 3.4.5 <lunitik> mcscruff: look in hoary archive.... <mcscruff> breeeeeezy <lunitik> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gcc-3.4/ <lunitik> Then set CC environment variable to use 3.4.4 <mcscruff> brb <Kamping_Kaiser> hi all <lunitik> Kamping_Kaiser: hey <Kamping_Kaiser> hi <incubii> hi Kamping_Kaiser :P <Kamping_Kaiser> :) <incubii> time for some soldat <incubii> :D <Kamping_Kaiser> anyone know some good hardware compatibility sites? theres linuxprinting.org, linmodems.com (?), sane.org (?) <Kamping_Kaiser> any others spring to mind? <jeh_work> Kamping_Kaiser: wasn't there something like linuxhardware.{com,org}? <Kamping_Kaiser> ill look. thanks <jeh_work> http://linuxhardware.org/ <jeh_work> apparently more about reviews though, like tom's hardware <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks. ill check it out <aftertaf> lunitik: what do you mean, its actually bad? <aftertaf> i never use over 50% of my memory..... and 5% swap --> this is not a good thing? <helpme> i renamed iconsets folder and put them into /usr/share/icons........why its not working?? <helpme> how do install this http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=14620 <CaiN_SA> aftertaf, <CaiN_SA> i just want to know <CaiN_SA> wtf is backports ? <edulix> hi ! <edulix> hey, is it possible to detach the sidebars in kate from kde 3.5 ? <aftertaf> er...... its software versions for a newer version of the OS, recompiled to work with an older verson of OS. <aftertaf> iirc <Kamping_Kaiser> basicly yes <CaiN_SA> ah aftertaf , like using breezy stuff with hoary ? <aftertaf> CaiN_SA: yep <CaiN_SA> ah <CaiN_SA> thats why its buggy :P <aftertaf> lunitik: u there? wondering bout what you said before..... <slow-motion> hallo <mcscruff> lo <mcscruff> where is the grub config file? <gdh> .. /boot/grub/menu.lst is probably what you want <mcscruff> ty <helpme> how do install this http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=14620 <arentie> hello! Can I install Wine for kubuntu? If so, where's a good resource for it? <Kamping_Kaiser> you can install it from kynaptic <OculusAquilae> arentie: and the wine repository itself supports kubuntu too <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0 <pothead> hullo lads <Kamping_Kaiser> hi pothead. lols <Tm_T> urgh <pothead> what Tm_T <Tm_T> I asked today from book store if my order is arrived... "we get it wednesday or later" <Kamping_Kaiser> :( <Tm_T> ok, now I got message... it's there <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Tm_T <Tm_T> sucky <pothead> order of what <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: hi <Tm_T> pothead: book <Kamping_Kaiser> lol <pothead> oh <Tm_T> pothead: Stroustrup: C++ programming language <pothead> indeed <arentie> thanks for the info <Tm_T> good night story <Tm_T> arentie: sheufs! <Tm_T> =) <pothead> are u all using breezy <Kamping_Kaiser> i am, but not every is <pothead> ok <pothead> wich do u prefer,gnome or kde <Kamping_Kaiser> can anyone report good experiances with modems/scanners/printers? stuff that 'just worked'? <Kamping_Kaiser> for some reason i cant access ubuntuforums.org :( <pothead> isame here <Tm_T> pothead: KDE <3 <Tm_T> pothead: gnome is straight from hell <Tm_T> keep away from it <Kamping_Kaiser> Tm_T: :( <pothead> WiCKED <Tm_T> s/keep/stay <pothead> i prefer kde aswell <Kamping_Kaiser> its a good channel for liking kde :D <Tm_T> yes it is <pothead> ok american <Kamping_Kaiser> not a good chan for hating kde <Kamping_Kaiser> :( <Kamping_Kaiser> american? <Tm_T> pothead: american? where? <Tm_T> tell me where and I'll frie 'em! <Tm_T> s/frie/fry <Tm_T> bah <mcscruff> please can someone help me recompile my kernel <pothead> no,that was wrong box,sorry lads <Kamping_Kaiser> lol <pothead> do any of u still run windows <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont <Tm_T> pothead: why you're asking? <mcscruff> how do i install a newkernel <Kamping_Kaiser> mcscruff: with kynaptic <pothead> Tm_T:just wondering who are still billy gates supporters <mcscruff> i have compiled the kernel, how do i install that one <whoiam> anyone know why I have linux kernel version 2.6.10-5, where there is no release of rhonda96@example.net ? <whoiam> I'm running kubuntu <Kamping_Kaiser> whoiam: hoary? because its the default kernel <Tm_T> some sort of 2.6.10 5th ubuntu package maybe? <whoiam> actually, I want to install someting requiring linux kernel headers, so I want to obtain source to compile it <Almindor> the new kde splash and boot screens are cool <Almindor> you should change the kernel bootsplash too tho :) <whoiam> and there is no release like rhonda96@example.net <Kamping_Kaiser> whoiam: get the source from kynaptic <whoiam> no luck <Kamping_Kaiser> it must be there :o <whoiam> where it install the kernel source ? /usr/src <morrow> whoiam: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` <Kamping_Kaiser> it should. iirc if you use apt- it dumps it in your working dir <liteinside03> hello there <Kamping_Kaiser> hi <liteinside03> anybody care to help me.. <liteinside03> am a newbie in kubuntu... <whoiam> liteinside03: just speak <liteinside03> ran into some problems... <Kamping_Kaiser> depends on the problem. but ppl will probably try :) <liteinside03> i got some problem, browsing the net... <liteinside03> the browser <whoiam> liteinside03: like what ? <liteinside03> the browser's looking for macromedia flash player... <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10 <- whoami. <pothead> typical <liteinside03> i already install the plugin for mozilla.. but its still not working.. <whoiam> well, I say, get firefox instead <whoiam> apt-get install mozilla-firefox <pothead> typical <liteinside03> yup, am using it... can't get the plugin work though... <whoiam> make sure you set proper path while install flash player <whoiam> it must be /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox in kubuntu/ubuntu <mcscruff> GRUB is installed. To automatically switch to new kernels, point your <mcscruff> default entry in menu.lst to /boot/arch/i386/boot/bzImage-2.6.12 <hussam> is archive.ubuntu.com down? I haven't been able to access it for two days. <mcscruff> how do i do this ^^ <whoiam> you could try that agian while talking <liteinside03> i used kynaptic to install it... <whoiam> hussam: what error you getting ? <hussam> whoiam: time out <whoiam> liteinside03: wait a min. <whoiam> hussam: try apt-get clean <liteinside03> some are missing on the page, sometimes it wouldn't load.. <liteinside03> apt-get clean? <whoiam> hussam: what you want to install BTW <jdef> I would like to install kubuntu on Win Xp machine using vmware will it work or are there any special problems I need to know about. <whoiam> liteinside03: apt-get clean will delete locally d/led packages <liteinside03> what's BTW? <liteinside03> okay, i'll try that... <whoiam> jdef: it work well, I tried it many times <whoiam> by the way <liteinside03> will it mess up some of my settings? <whoiam> liteinside03: BTW ==by the way <liteinside03> ah, okay.. <whoiam> liteinside03: do one thing, d/l flash player for linux from macromedia's site <hussam> whoiam: I did apt-get clean && apt-get update but it timed out on update. I tried http://archive.ubuntu.com in firefox but it times out as well. <jdef> whoiam: I am using 2.6 kernel series and should I set to ide or scsi for hdrives <liteinside03> do i still need to install flash plugin again... <whoiam> then talk to me <whoiam> jdef: the kernel comes with kubuntu will work in both conditions in vmware <arentie> Everyone, where can I find documentation on how to use Wine in Kubuntu? <hussam> whoiam: even wiki.ubuntu.com won't open. nothing .ubuntu.com opens <whoiam> arentie: it's quite simple, what problem you getting ? <jdef> whoiam: thx one more question can I allow partition to grow or must I set full size upfront? I know most installs balk at partitioning phase <whoiam> jdef: didn't get you, do you want to use a virtual disk in vmware ? <whoiam> liteinside03: are you d/ling flash player ? <jdef> whoiam: ok I'll start the process if I run into the problem then I can give precise details <mcscruff> damn grub <liteinside03> hold on.. <whoiam> hussam: you getting time out in browser or in apt ? <whoiam> jdef: sure <liteinside03> there's no deb file, all in rpm & tar ball.. <whoiam> jdef: I would go after sime time, you can talk to me at rhonda96@example.net if you want <whoiam> liteinside03: wait, lemme search the exact link for you :) <liteinside03> which one should i download? should i not use repositories? <jdef> whoiam: thx much appreciated <liteinside03> thanks whoiam <whoiam> jdef: anytime my friend <whoiam> liteinside03: please wait, I got 56k and I'm d/ling linux kernel as well :( * whoiam want a higher internet connection :( <liteinside03> no probs... I'll wait here... <thijs_t> Hey, aftertaf you here? <hussam> whoiam: both. but in apt it tries for more before timing out. but it won't connect. <mcscruff> you ca nhelp me if you want <jdef> whoiam: I know that pain only to well <whoiam> liteinside03: here you go http://tinyurl.com/3tuy <mcscruff> i need to point grub to /boot/arch/i386/boot/bzImage-2.6.12 <whoiam> lol <Kernel-Kris> anyone having problems with ndiswrapper <whoiam> mcscruff: why ? <mcscruff> coz i just installed a kernel and its telling me to <mcscruff> GRUB is installed. To automatically switch to new kernels, point your <mcscruff> default entry in menu.lst to /boot/arch/i386/boot/bzImage-2.6.12 <whoiam> you can move your kernel image to /boot then edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst or menu.list file <Kernel-Kris> Im haveing problems looding the ndiswrapper module to the kernel <whoiam> mcscruff: can we know how to installed new kernel ? <whoiam> did you recompiled it ? <thijs_t> hey, im trying to sign in to my msn account using kopete but it wont connect it keeps saying wrong pass <whoiam> liteinside03: you there ? <mcscruff> i recompiled <Kernel-Kris> no im useing the binary version that comes with kubuntu <mcscruff> now its telling me there is no /boot/arch/i386/boot dir <liteinside03> whoiam: thanks.. I try it... <whoiam> thijs_t: msn and yahoo keep changing there protocol to keep 3rd party client out <hussam> whoiam: what should I do? I don't want to lose Kubuntu over this. <liteinside03> i just tried a while ago apt-get clean && apt-get update... <whoiam> try gaim instead <thijs_t> okay thanks whoiam <liteinside03> do i still need to run apt-get upgrade? <whoiam> liteinside03: why ? <whoiam> liteinside03: d/l that file then open shell <mcscruff> whoiam can i pm <whoiam> liteinside03: I have to go, you can talked to me at rhonda96@example.net if you want <mcscruff> this is so wank, i cant find ANY information relating to recompiling the kernel on kubuntu <liteinside03> whoiam: i go it downloaded, but i got error... <whoiam> liteinside03: what error ? <liteinside03> it says: a script on this page is causing KHTML to freeze... <whoiam> mcscruff: why you want to recompile it ? <liteinside03> how should i deal with it? <mcscruff> i have to to install vmware <whoiam> liteinside03: erm... <mcscruff> or install gcc 3.4.5 <whoiam> wait, lemme d/l it and upload somewhere <mcscruff> and i can only find gcc 3.4 <whoiam> mcscruff: I too installing vmware rightnow and facing erorrs <whoiam> :p <mcscruff> lol <mcscruff> it needs a kernel recompile <whoiam> liteinside03: want, lemme d/l it and upload it somewhere <mcscruff> on breezy? <liteinside03> ok... <whoiam> mcscruff: and I need installing kernel headers <whoiam> mcscruff: what it saying to you ? <mcscruff> i got headers <mcscruff> but it says kernel was made with gcc 3.4.5 but you have gcc 4.0.1 <whoiam> same here, wait lemme finish liteinside03 then we'll talk <whoiam> ok ? <liteinside03> i got one from the other site... how should i install tar.gz? <mcscruff> kk <liteinside03> thanks... <whoiam> liteinside03: please come ok yahoo :( i have to go now, rhonda96@example.net <liteinside03> ok.. <liteinside03> help on installing files... .tar.gz..... <mcscruff> i extract them <liteinside03> tulog na <mcscruff> then cd into em <mcscruff> then ./configure :P <liteinside03> using ark? <mcscruff> yep coz i dont remember the command line for it <mcscruff> cd into em , then run ./configure , then make and make install <liteinside03> then on the konsole? <mcscruff> yea <liteinside03> should i type cd /home/.... /configure? <liteinside03> am i right? <mcscruff> cd into the dir <liteinside03> tulog na <liteinside03> gabii na <mcscruff> ?? <kinfo> i don't understand. <liteinside03> back to /configure... <mcscruff> - ./configure <mcscruff> what are you installing? <liteinside03> i'll try it... i'll get back to you for some queries... <liteinside03> macromedia flash player... <elektr0smog> anyone uses anjuta with ubuntu? <liteinside03> i hope it works.. <elektr0smog> 64bit <Thijs_t> hey, im a totally new to linux, can someone guide me through installing a program? <Thijs_t> brb <liteinside03> mcscruff: i installed it already... <liteinside03> but i got one more message... <whoiam> liteinside03: did you installed flash player successfuly ? <liteinside03> i guess so, but i got a message from the console... <whoiam> liteinside03: what ? <liteinside03> it says: please ask your administrator to remove xpti.dat from the components directory of the mozilla or netscape browser... <liteinside03> should i just delete it? <whoiam> liteinside03: you installed that as root ? <liteinside03> yes, i think i did... <whoiam> then I don't know :( <whoiam> are you sure, you installed it in right dir ? which is /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox <liteinside03> i followed the instruction attached with it... <whoiam> morrow: kernel-headers are installed bu vmware keep asking me for kernel hearders :( please help <liteinside03> how can i check it... <morrow> whoiam: ahhh .. which kernel version do you have? 386/686/k7/etc? <whoiam> liteinside03: open shell <whoiam> 386 <morrow> whoiam: aptitude search linux-headers and pick your correct version then. :) <liteinside03> okay... <whoiam> morrow: I installed the current/right version <whoiam> morrow: actually what it's asking me is <whoiam> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] <liteinside03> what should i do next whoiam <morrow> yes... and i will find the correct C headers if you fetch the right linux-headers package <morrow> linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386 <whoiam> liteinside03: go to the dir where you extracted the tar file <morrow> thats your correct version with the right settings <whoiam> morrow: yeah I installed them <morrow> well works perfectly here... (vmware) <whoiam> morrow: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` <--------you told <liteinside03> okay.. i got it.. then.. <morrow> whoiam: plus "-386" <whoiam> liteinside03: type ./flash then press tab <liteinside03> ok.. <morrow> if you have the correct version installed (-686 on my system) the vmware-config.pl will find the path <whoiam> morrow: I'm having problem with 686 kernel, even I'm using p4~2.8 <liteinside03> i am now to press ENTER <whoiam> liteinside03: ok, what it asking now ? <whoiam> morrow: I'll try 686 kernel once more time, last time I installed 686-smp <whoiam> liteinside03: ? <liteinside03> macromedia flash player requires two font packages to be installed, gsfonts and gsfonts-xll <liteinside03> press enter to continue.. <whoiam> ok press enter, now it should ask you the path of firefox type /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox and press enter <whoiam> liteinside03: ^^ <musashi> hey everyone, can anyone tell me how to fix this error? (iam trying to compile mysqlcc) <musashi> configure: error: Could not find libmysqlclient in ' /usr/lib /usr/lib/mysql /usr/local/lib /usr/local/lib/mysql /usr/local/mysql/lib' <whoiam> what distro you using ? <liteinside03> okay, so i should point it out to the correct location... <whoiam> yeah correct location is /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox <musashi> you talking to me whoiam? <whoiam> musashi: what distro you using ? <musashi> 0.9.4 <whoiam> musashi: erm.... I mean you using kubuntu or ubuntu ? <musashi> ooh <musashi> kubuntu <musashi> hoary <whoiam> musashi: and you want to install mysql ? <liteinside03> how should i change it? <musashi> mysqlcc <liteinside03> if i press n <liteinside03> nothing happens <whoiam> liteinside03: it is asking you the path ? <liteinside03> i guess q is for quit <liteinside03> the location was already written, i can't change it <musashi> whoiam: i want to install mysqlcc, not the mysql server] <whoiam> musashi: you compiling it ? why not try apt-get install mysqlcc <liteinside03> it is on /home/liteinside03/.mozilla <musashi> whoiam: i didnt know i could do that <whoiam> liteinside03: can't you type /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox here ? <musashi> thanks buddy <whoiam> musashi: open shell <musashi> i know <musashi> i am doing it now <whoiam> :) <musashi> i mean i didnt know that i could get it from apt-get :P <musashi> anyways, thanks for the help, really appreciate it <whoiam> musashi: thnx :) you are welcome <liteinside03> please enter 'y', 'n', or q <musashi> hmm, under what application does it get installed? <liteinside03> in my home directory <musashi> no, iam talking about mysqlcc :P <liteinside03> i guess i should move the installer on usr/lib/mozilla-firefox directory.. <liteinside03> and let's see.. <musashi> liteinside03: what are you trying to do? <whoiam> musashi: can't get you :( <musashi> nvm lol <liteinside03> and trying to install mozilla-firefox plugin... macromedia flash player <whoiam> liteinside03: you there ? <liteinside03> whew... i can't copy it there... <liteinside03> it won't allow me... <liteinside03> whoiam... got it installed... <liteinside03> i had to type sudo -s <liteinside03> perform another installation? n -- right? <Kernel-Kris> i cant get the ndiswrapper module to load <YourNick> helo <liteinside03> anybody, how do you copy a file on the konsole? <liteinside03> need to replace a file, but it won't allow me <somone> helo <Kernel-Kris> liteinside03: what are you trying to do <somone> When run from Live-CD Is the ubentu booted with xserver? <somone> with interface? <liteinside03> i need to replace two in the plugins folder with the new one i got from macromedia <broxtor> A while ago I tried kubuntu and found that Firefox was very unstable and crashed a lot. I also read reviews that said the same. Are those issues solved in breezy? <liteinside03> tulog na sila lahat... <jdef> broxtor: crashes were mainly random some experienced it some didn't but generally this release has looked very stable. My advice try it. <broxtor> jdef> I think I will. I also tried Ubuntu and I really liked it. Except that I can't get used to Gnome for some reason <broxtor> I now use Suse 9.3, but I think Novell really screwed up Suse... <babae> tulog na kau... <babae> gabi na! <babae> :) <Xorlev> broxtor: Kubuntu has KDE :P <jdef> broxtor: I am a KDE person myself <blackflag> hello all :-) <blackflag> Can someone recommend a good , fast, secure FTP- Server for Debian? <The_Vox> blackflag: proftpd is always good <blackflag> can I do sFTP with proftpd? <The_Vox> no, to do sftp you need an sftpd <The_Vox> which comes with openssh <blackflag> On debian there is vsftpd <The_Vox> I've never used vsftpd <nikkia> vsftpd should be in ubuntu too, as i used it there :) <nikkia> i'm not convinced it does sftp tho <blackflag> but no sftp, or? <nikkia> i was under the impression that 'vs' was for 'very secure ftpd' <nikkia> ie, its designed around chroot jails and such <The_Vox> I doubt anything aside of openssh's sftp (or the commercial sftpd) does sftp serving <nikkia> i ran it, because it was the only ftpd i could find that would easily let me bind ONLY to certain interfaces <The_Vox> nikkia: that's what my memory tells me to <The_Vox> too <blackflag> it is good for a "hosting" environment? <nikkia> The_Vox: on linux, you're probably right, on windows, i think the people behind cuteftp have their own sftp server <The_Vox> blackflag: it's what a good hosting environment? <The_Vox> nikkia: I haven't used windows since '96, so I wouldn't know and wouldn't care lol! :) On the other hand...I wouldn't trust it either :) <blackflag> I wnat to do a hosting server on debian basis with apache, ftp mysql.. <nikkia> The_Vox: fair enough, just pointing out there may be other sfp servers elsewhere <blackflag> what is better? maybe a use of webdav? <nikkia> blackflag: erm, it'll suffice for a large number of uses <blackflag> with https? <The_Vox> nikkia: fair enough :) <nikkia> blackflag: the real problem for 'hosting' is that if you're talking about offering hosting, someone, somewhere, will invariably ask for J2EE support, and that means you *need* RHEL really <blackflag> hmm,i my country we have big webhoster using only debian <The_Vox> wouldn't CentOS be enough for that? <nikkia> The_Vox: for j2ee?? <nikkia> The_Vox: i doubt it, installing J2EE on RHEL is daunting enough, i wouldn't even want to contemplate how little fun it'll be outside a 'supported' (and i use the word very loosely) environment :) <nikkia> The_Vox: for example, Sun very often depend on exact library versions, and RHEL often doesn't include them anymore :) <babae> pangatulog namo oi... <The_Vox> nikkia: CentOS is a re-branded copy of RHEL <The_Vox> nikkia: they just do a s/RedHat/CentOS all through the code and recompile <blackflag> what means rebranded? <nikkia> The_Vox: that doesn't change the fact that getting J2EE installed on an exact 'officially supported version' of RHEL isn't fun <The_Vox> nikkia: I don't disagree on that part....I *hate* J2EE :) <nikkia> The_Vox: yeah, but you just KNOW someone will ask for it, if you're offering hosting :) <nikkia> and no amount of 'use tomcat!' will placate them :) <The_Vox> nikkia: which is why I don't do hosting anymore :) <The_Vox> blackflag: the thing with hosting with anything-but-RHEL is that you will lose clients to the J2EE thing....but in my experience, unless you are aiming straight at the corporate hosting, the J2EE headache isn't worth it, so using debian or anything else is valid. <nikkia> what you could always do, is aim at debian, but be aware you might need a RHEL box or two in the long run, and either put J2EE-demanding customers on the RHEL box(es) or cross-link <nikkia> (you could even setup a shared disk system, and rewrite apache headers so that the J2EE stuff is auto-hosted by the RHEL box(es) :) <The_Vox> that's a good solution, if you get/expect enough J2EE customers <Dark_Sith> helleo people <blackflag> Why I should need J2EE?? <blackflag> ANd when I need it is there not tomcat a good solution? <gdh> because sometimes the best quality apps are actually written in Java not by a 14-yr old with a copy of 'Learn teh PHP in 30 minutes l0l!!!!11' <The_Vox> blackflag: tomcat is a good solution...but there's people that believe there's nothing but J2EE that's worth using <gdh> Oh right, I didn't realise 'J2EE' was the complete hosting part :) <nikkia> blackflag: and there's the fact that some customers will already have existing J2EE stuff they want to migrate, and if you don't offer J2EE... <gdh> Shows how much of a shit I give for Java =) <blackflag> okay, and you mean centOS is also good for it? <nikkia> blackflag: i wouldn't put money on it, but it *might* work <blackflag> nikkia: Isee.. <nikkia> blackflag: J2EE more often than not won't install on a fresh RHEL box, as i said, sun are idiots, they depend on *exact* library versions <Thijs_T> hey! <nikkia> blackflag: getting a working J2EE setup is serious black magic :) <blackflag> but my farvorite server distri is debian.. <Thijs_T> anyone can help me with installing java RE? <blackflag> I think I#ll work on it when I need it <Thijs_T> i got jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586-rpm.bin on my desktop, how can i install it (i am a total linux beginner) <blackflag> And RHEL coats a lot of money, or not? <The_Vox> blackflag: the best solution I think would be what nikkia said before...install debian on everything except one or two boxes, on which you can stick your J2EE nightmares <blackflag> :-) <The_Vox> blackflag: try with CentOS <The_Vox> blackflag: if you can't make it work on that, think about paying for RHEL...but if it works on RHEL, it *should* work on CentOS. <blackflag> okay, I dont have any expirience with centOS <The_Vox> blackflag: if you've ever used a redhat you've used CentOS <slow-motion> re <blackflag> only some using of Suse <nikkia> The_Vox: as i said, sun, idiots :) <nikkia> The_Vox: a co-worker bought a boxed RHEL copy for their server a few weeks ago, then called me and asked me to help him install J2EE, naturally, the sun packages depended on libraries not on the CDs :) <The_Vox> nikkia: wouldn't doubt it <nikkia> well, the *libraries* were there, just the wrong versions, and they were older versions sun wanted, than what was on the CDs <The_Vox> you just start playing the symlinking game :) <blackflag> thats every where: developers things in developers mind <blackflag> not for users or admins ,sometimes <blackflag> I
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