#ubuntu-us-oh 2011-06-01 <Cheri703> o/ <jgould> \o <Unit193> \o/ <jgould> \n/ <Unit193> Howdy, skellat/SMK <jgould> 'Ello Smk <skellat> Good evening, gents <skellat> Who met the fury of a banhammer? The log was unclear on that one. <Unit193> skellat: The line was: +b Bacta!*@* $a:Bacta by nhandler <Unit193> (Not from here) <skellat> Hunh. The things I have yet to understand in IRC-land <jgould> someone met the banhammer? <jgould> doesn't sound plesant <Unit193> skellat: How long does it take to read the logs? <skellat> Unit193: I skim them. <jgould> grep! <skellat> Oh goody...this news sucks: http://starbeacon.com/local/x962125014/Big-fight-at-Walnut-Beach-results-in-two-arrests <skellat> Squads from Ashtabula City Police, Geneva on the Lake City Police, Ashtabula County Sheriff's Department, and the Ohio State Highway Patrol had to respond to a beach brawl. <jgould> that's a lot of officers for a beach brawl... <skellat> If that beach can get a brawl that big going...that's an opportunity to give out Natty discs <skellat> :-) <jgould> XH <jgould> ER <jgould> XXD <jgould> They wold end up using them as weapons... <canthus13> blargh. <skellat> They could <canthus13> At least that way they'd be useful. <skellat> Maybe we could secure Xubuntu discs via on-disc.com? <Unit193> I'll add my vote to that <canthus13> Hmm... edubuntu? My wife's business professor was apparently recommending it.... <Cheri703> I waved and then I disappeared, sorry <jgould> Heh <skellat> Cheri703: It's all godo <skellat> s/godo/good <jgould> godo <jgould> ? <Cheri703> hi <Cheri703> the s/something/someotherthing <Cheri703> is about substituting or something <Cheri703> I dunno, it confused me at first, and then I figured out what it was :) <jgould> My questionmark should have been attached to the godo line... XD * Cheri703 read a 500 page book last night in 3 hours and another 500 page book tonight in 3.5 (got a slow start, with distractions) <Cheri703> ah, k <Cheri703> I ran a bunch of errands today <Cheri703> it was HOT <jgould> ok... Neighbor's stereo/whatever is annoying <Cheri703> lots of walking, but then air conditioned bus was nice :) <jgould> Thankfully my house stayed below the temprature outside today... <skellat> I got stuck at work for most daylight hours. <jgould> what is this daylight thing? <jgould> I know someone that said it should be outlawed <skellat> I forgot how catty Joy Behar is <jgould> Who the hell uses bing? I like options, but Google tends to get me waht I want when I need it <jgould> I'm being stared at <skellat> jgould: For what? <jgould> I'm not sure... There is this black furry thing with a snout and long ears douglassanchez@example.org... <jgould> I don't have food or anything... I don't get it <skellat> And I have a cat to tend to <skellat> Goodnight y'all <jgould> wow.... he's out fast. Not a chance to say bye... <jgould> Fark... I need to install XP in a VM and find and install (and relearn) P.A.C.S.S. <jgould> Damn it Ray. I would have prefered your solution... * Cheri703 doesn't know what you're talking about <jgould> I'm the defacto score keeper for a model airplane pattren thing my dad puts on every year... <Cheri703> ah <Cheri703> I'm out for a while, may be back, we'll see. ping me if you need me <jgould> sounds dirty <jgould> silly dog... <jgould> all of this stuf that OSU is being investagated for, happens at every Division 1 school... <jgould> My back hurts... <Unit193> dmcglone? <Unit193> :D <jgould> Heh <jgould> I think red light cameras should be illegal... <Unit193> Did one catch you? <jgould> I've been caught by one for speed. that was years ago (and the damn thing has been taken down...) <canthus13> Haha... Wife got her Title IV letter... she can stay in school. :) * jgould has no clue what that is * jgould installs Windows... <canthus13> Basically stating that she isn't really in default and the loan guarantor screwed up and reported her wrong. <jgould> God <jgould> er Good <canthus13> Heh. <canthus13> she thought she was gonna have to drop out. :/ <canthus13> She met a chick in her business class that also uses ubuntu... Kinda cool. <jgould> Cool. I think there are more of us out there than people realize <jgould> I'm tired of hearing about OSU Football <canthus13> Yeah.. We may have enough people to do U-hour here... (Just me and my wife seemed kinda silly...) <jgould> Heh <jgould> why does windows make you enter a wifi key twice? idiots <canthus13> jgould: even worse... why does Win 7 REQUIRE that a wep key be all-caps? <jgould> sometimes it's hard enough to get the key right the first time <jgould> It does? <jgould> stupid M$ <canthus13> yep. I went round and round and round with customers trying to get wireless working with win 7 when it first came out. <jgould> dumb * jgould prepares to shoot the dog... <jgould> Hmm... Bordem <Unit193> Dang! Friend can't go to U-H (I didn't even remember when it was...) <canthus13> Unit193: that's ok. I can't go either. <Unit193> canthus13: You should try to make it ;) <jgould> I should be at ours! I think I made waves when it came to ours though.. <Unit193> Where is it even? <canthus13> Unit193: Mansfield is too far for that. <jgould> where is what, Unit193? <Unit193> canthus13: You would only have to walk half way! <Cheri703> Unit193: I may be getting a ride from skrappjaw (maybe), if so, I could ask if we could swing by to get you <Unit193> jgould: C-Bus U-H? <jgould> Gilbert said that we would meet at the Clintonville Panera at 1900 <jgould> (I'm waiting to see this in an email, of course) <jgould> Hmm... Cisco doesn't show the router as being scanned in yet <jgould> slow asses <canthus13> Heh. <jgould> If I had the money I would have just replaced it... <canthus13> :/ <jgould> For what I paid for that one, I could get the Valet Plus that has 10/100/1000mbit wired ports... <Unit193> Can it run any good f/w? <canthus13> my e2000 was 65 bucks... <jgould> I paid 80 I think, but that was over a year ago <jgould> they were new then <jgould> Now they are 65 <jgould> ish <canthus13> Unit193: the e2000 and e3000 will run DD-WRT for sure... prolly run tomato too. <jgould> I hate how if you don't use the software that came with the valet, you lose the guest network (not that I've ever used it....) * Unit193 needs to setup another bridge/wireless card :D * jgould bridges Unit193 <canthus13> jgould: Install DD-WRT and gain it back. <canthus13> Or use the two radios to split the N and G connections. <canthus13> that way N can take advantage of the full speed and G can still connect. <jgould> :( Not available for my router <canthus13> ...Which model? <jgould> Cisco Valet M10 <canthus13> Looks like they had test firmware available last september... <canthus13> http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=486976 <canthus13> make sure you prop the back up a bit for airflow.. that stupid design is prone to overheating. * canthus13 has the back of his e2000 raised about 1 inch... Helps a LOT. <jgould> I pulled down the firmware. I have nothing to lose in the grand scheme of things <canthus13> Make sure you do the 30/30/30 reset on it. <jgould> 30/30/30? <canthus13> Hold the reset button in for 30 seconds, leave it held in and pull the power cord... count 30 seconds again... with the button *STILL* held in, plug the power back in, count another 30 seconds. <canthus13> then let go. <canthus13> Lemme dig up the instructions for my router.. should be the same except for the firmware version. <jgould> I'm looking at the instructions now <canthus13> Ah.. I didn't see instructions there. :) * canthus13 has done 3 or 4 of these routers, none bricked. :) <jgould> I'm not worried about bricking. You can *generally* unbrick things. It may take a little bit of time though <canthus13> Ah. an M10 is just a 160N v3... <canthus13> Linksys/Cisco has gotten so freaking confusing in their naming conventions. :/ <jgould> Yep <canthus13> Anyway... I'm off to bed. Gotta kick the wife out of the house by 7am so she can take care of her financial aid stuffs. <jgould> Gotta kick her out XD Night <canthus13> She's tough to get going in the mornings... :) <Unit193> You're not gone yet! <jgould> I'm tough to get going in the mornings as well <jgould> Shit... I'm going to need to go to my parents and play with the all in one printer and make sure I can get it to work (that or I'm gonna need a whole nother comptuer...) * oda_ cannot believe he really watched Waynes World <jgould> I don't think I've ever seen it <oda_> jgould: you don't need it <oda_> jgould: Paramount cranked out some pretty hilarious movies in the 90s, that is not one of them. <jgould> Heh * jgould ponders something to watch <oda_> jgould: Good Will Hunting <oda_> excellent movie <jgould> I don't have that one and I would need to be in the MacOS to stream from NetFlix <oda_> . <oda_> ._. <oda_> Fight Club? <oda_> never gets old <jgould> Never seen that etiher <oda_> O_O <oda_> jgould: watch that one for sure <jgould> But I do know that the number one rule is that you don't talk about fight club * oda_ ordered the paperback <oda_> haven't received it * jgould doesn't do dead tree books any more. Prefers 0's and 1's for his books * oda_ doesn't like to stare at an LCD for hours <jgould> I have an e-reader <jgould> with e-ink <oda_> which one? <jgould> Sony PRS-505 <jgould> is it bad that I try to use the wrong mouse on the wrong computer? <oda_> that may complicate things a bit, yes <jgould> I hate it when bugs fly into the window... <jgould> Whats' the last thing that goes through a bugs mind when it hits a windshield? <oda_> jgould: is this a riddle? <jgould> It's a joke <jgould> Care to take a gander? <oda_> of course <jgould> hmm... I'm worried about the linux version of this program's future... <jgould> It's ass. <jgould> it's the last thing that goes through it's mind <oda_> dohohohohoho <jgould> :) <jgould> That and spelling support is better for this program in the MacOS <oda_> lol mac <jgould> what? <jgould> it's my prefrence over Windows... (I dislikes windows) * oda_ hugs his win7 partition <jgould> Win 7 is ok. It's better than vista <oda_> vista was fine if you didn't have ancient hardware....or peripherals <oda_> indeed it was not a good operating system to put on OEM machines <oda_> my AMD sempron craptop came with that on it and no joke, it took 7 MINUTES to become usable with all of the bloatware and vista that HP crammed it with <jgould> That's one thing I hate about buying a prebuilt windows machine is all the bloatware <oda_> and HP didn't provide support for WinXP either, it wouldn't even install D: <jgould> Windows XP wasn't bad. Win 2000 was one of the last stable versions of Win, in my opnion. (I haven't used 7 Extensivly so I can't pass judgment on 7) <oda_> jgould: works fine for me <jgould> This will very likely be my last Mc <jgould> er Mac * oda_ touched a mac once <oda_> first time, 2 months ago * oda_ never wants to touch one again <jgould> It's a pain in the ass to get Ubuntu working on <oda_> spent a few hours playing with OSX...waste of time <jgould> Why do you say that? <oda_> 1. trying to get hackintosh to work is a huge pain 2. there's like what, 2 programs that windows doesn't have that OSX does 3. the absence of right click is enough to make me want to throw a small child into traffic <jgould> 1. Hacintoshs are against the EULA, 2. what two programs? 3. I have right clicking in MacOS <oda_> lol against the EULA <oda_> can't afford that apple expensive apple shit <jgould> My MacBook Pro cost me less than a sony laptop that has a Core i3 with a smaller screen and less ram and hard drive space <oda_> oh god <jgould> why 'oh god' <oda_> the macbook pro is extravagently expensive, costs more than everything I own combined. <jgould> $1199 is extravagently expensive? <oda_> uhhhh, yes <oda_> I can't argue with that <oda_> check out the ASUS gaming laptops for $500-$700.... <oda_> pretty cool stuff <jgould> My next machine will probably be a System76... <oda_> I would kill for one of these http://www.chipsdigitalpc.com/products/ASUS-G50Vt-X5-15.4%22-Gaming-Notebook-Core-2-Duo-P7450.html <oda_> almost got one for $430 shipped but didn't have the money at the time <oda_> hmmm, link doesn't seem to work <oda_> 2.5ghz C2D, 512mb 9800GS, 4gb RAM, 1680x1050 17" display, 320gb HDD <jgould> I'm not a gamer so i don't care about the video <oda_> regardless, it's great hardware for a laptop at that price point <jgould> agreed <oda_> nothing from HP, Dell, etc etc really compares <oda_> funny that you mentioned sony * oda_ didn't know they still made laptops <jgould> Yep. <oda_> probably a huge markup on them <jgould> they make some tiny ones too <oda_> I sold my quad core/8gb RAM/GTX260 machine and just got a netbook <oda_> does everything you'd want it to <oda_> 150 dorra used, mint condition. Only uses a maximum of 20 watts or so at full load <jgould> keyboard is too hard for me to type on. My mom has an HP netbook and I can't type on it for extended periods <oda_> hmmm <oda_> must have very large fingers <oda_> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3592/5767294778_3266bb478d_b.jpg <jgould> Nope. I have relitivley small hands. (for a guy anyway... I'm built more like a girl...) <jgould> My desk: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jgould/5785620032/ <oda_> nice keyboard <jgould> Which one? <oda_> the external keyboard to the right <oda_> http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5096/5566741897_396f13e24b_z.jpg <oda_> size comparison <oda_> 15.4" HP, 10? 12"? powerbook, 10.1" EEE <jgould> I still to this day want a 12" TiBook. Perfect machines for writing... I have the BT keybaord that is the same as the one on the right as well <oda_> the keyboard WAS pretty nice <oda_> same with the HP <jgould> My wife has Dell Insprion 600m that I can tolorate, but not for long periods... <jgould> damn that ping <Unit193> jgould: Guess that didn't work... New one uploaded and it will be sent later <Derath-Srvr> hi all <Unit193> Howdy, Derath-Srvr <jgould> Unit193: It worked kinda <jgould> Howdy Derath-Srvr <Unit193> jgould: Are you kidding? It's never been worse... <jgould> I read some of the comics... <jgould> :D <jgould> Anyone know if I can force banshee to encode a disc as one file? <Unit193> I'm guessing not... Did you ask in another channel? <jgould> Not yet <Derath-Srvr> okay, loving my android even more... found carcast, and pulling down podcasts with it :) <Unit193> I can comment out a comment? :D <Derath-Srvr> Now I just need a way to play it over the car speakers... or get a cheap mp3-player-type speaker... <Unit193> canthus13: Didn't setup SASL? <Unit193> (I did because of the stupid timeouts...) <jgould> carcast, Derath-Srvr I take it thats a podcast receiver for Andriod? <Cheri703> Derath-Srvr: I used a tape adapter...one of the old school ones (former vehicle had tape and cd) <jgould> Unit, I got all of these amongst the mess in teh middle <jgould> That's what I do, Cheri703 <Derath-Srvr> jgould: Yep, podcatcher, pretty nice so far... * jgould makes a note of it <Derath-Srvr> Cheri703: No tape... CD receiver... <Cheri703> ah, they have those fm transmitter things <Cheri703> they're kinda crappy though <Cheri703> any aux input? <jgould> some have aux inputs <Derath-Srvr> I think I have a set of rca jacks in the back of it, but I'd have to yank out the unit... <jgould> those may be for an amp as well <jgould> not for input <Derath-Srvr> fm transmitters have always had bad quality <Derath-Srvr> May just use a cheap, mono, battery-powered speaker <jgould> Damn... Some friends of mine can't win... Truck is in the shop... Again... <Derath-Srvr> lol <canthus13> Unit193: I haven't bothered... I really don't time out very often. <Unit193> I also setup SSL at that time (I don't think it's needed) <Derath-Srvr> Okay, how to turn off apache for port 443? <Unit193> killall apache? Disable SSL support <Derath-Srvr> Ah... okay, so need to find the SSL directives... <Derath-Srvr> hmmm... <Unit193> Do you have an include with httpd-ssl.conf ? <Derath-Srvr> Doesn't seem like it <Derath-Srvr> Found it... <Derath-Srvr> ssl.conf in conf.d <Unit193> Comment that line out in httpd.conf (and LoadModule ssl_module ) <Derath-Srvr> Actually, went into ssl.conf and changed the port number :) <Derath-Srvr> Just in case I need it later for svn <Unit193> That works too... <Derath-Srvr> Guess I need to change the firewall around as well lol <Derath-Srvr> Interesting... <Derath-Srvr> So I thought I would try https on standard port, and getting error: ssl_error_rx_record_too_long.... <Derath-Srvr> Ah... figured it... <Derath-Srvr> :) <jgould> pesky records... <Derath-Srvr> more like nit-picky conf files lol <jgould> same thing... <Derath-Srvr> Okay, so that's changed to a different port, now I need to change my ssh conf for the new port... <Derath-Srvr> Will have to do that later when I'm not currently connected ;) <Unit193> As long as you do the router first... <Derath-Srvr> Router already has 443 opened <Derath-Srvr> for http <Derath-Srvr> Just need to open for the new https port <Derath-Srvr> Point though is that I don't want to change ssh port while I'm in a place that I can't fix it if it goes wrong lol <Unit193> My router has SSH built-in (It's great for backup tunnel/access) <Derath-Srvr> Oh, let me check the new Col UH location... <Derath-Srvr> Anyone have that handy so I don't have to get my phone and all out? lol <Unit193> The address is 4519 N High Street, Columbus, OH 43214 <Unit193> Clintonville Panera <Derath-Srvr> Hmm... <Derath-Srvr> looks like still 270N to 23S... <Derath-Srvr> How's traffic around there? <Derath-Srvr> May not be able to go this week (a little short notice), but can try another time <Unit193> I would have no idea... (7pm) <Derath-Srvr> Also trying to look for parking... lol <jgould> There is parking behind the building, Derath-Srvr <deejoe> ^^^ important detail for any announcement <jgould> You mean like how parking was paid at the old UH location? <jgould> Ow... My back <Derath-Srvr> Cool... <Derath-Srvr> I might try to make the next one then, it's in 2 weeks, right? <Derath-Srvr> the 15th? <jgould> Should be <thafreak> canthus13: you see it looks like the ubuntu server folks are leaning towards x2go as the standard remote desktop setup? <jgould> thafreak: Eh? <jgould> For remote setup or remote access? <thafreak> remote desktop access <thafreak> for "desktops in the cloud" <thafreak> and such <jgould> alrighty then <thafreak> they did a "try out ubuntu in the cloud" type deal this past release... <jgould> i couldnt' get htat to work <thafreak> but they used the nomachine's proprietary nx stuff to enable access from a web browser <thafreak> what couldn't you get to work? The test drive stuff? <jgould> Yeah. IT didn't ever load <Unit193> Ubuntu or Debian server... Hmmmm <jgould> I'm running Ubuntu 10.04LTS on my server... seems to be working well * Derath-Srvr goes and hides in the shadows, avoiding eye-contact <jgould> LOL Derath-Srvr. You're running Fedora, aren't you? <Derath-Srvr> Ummm.... <Derath-Srvr> yeah <Derath-Srvr> For the server anyways <canthus13> thafreak: Nope. <Unit193> Derath-Srvr: How is that working out? <Unit193> Debian seems nice because of rolling... <Derath-Srvr> Well, I can still access screen and irssi lol <thafreak> canthus13: sadly it seems like freenx might get completely abandonded * canthus13 hasn't messed with anything besides FreeNX.... which prolly has pretty hefty requirements for a terminal server. <Derath-Srvr> it's a little dated though, don't think I can get updates on it now... <canthus13> thafreak: Ya think? Nomachine is still around... <thafreak> yeah, but when version 4 comes out, they're not putting out any more open source... <canthus13> ah. As long as x2go does what I need it to do, I don't really care. :) <thafreak> so it looks like 3.5 might be the last version of the libraries they release * canthus13 is eyeballin' it right now. <thafreak> it does, and it's alot easier to setup...just their client is weird... <canthus13> A lot more client options, though... <thafreak> but they're working on a python client library...which should make it easy to develop better clients <thafreak> well...I switched to freenx for the time being... :) I'm waiting for development on x2go to settle down a bit <canthus13> Shit... Maemo/Meego, windows, gtk, qt, firefox plugin, PXE boot... <canthus13> Lots of options... But no android client? :/ <thafreak> maybe when 11.10 comes out, and x2go is incorporated, it will be slick <thafreak> nope, no android client... <thafreak> yeah, but a maemo client...and it worked too...I ran it on my n810 <canthus13> beh. fsck 11.10. <thafreak> and actually ,the gtk client was dropped <thafreak> for now atleast * canthus13 is switching to Zenix when 10.10 EOLs. <thafreak> ha... <thafreak> zenix? that's a new one... <canthus13> Just gotta find a way to disable raise on click. <thafreak> is it debian based? <canthus13> thafreak: Yep. Awesome or Openbox as WMs. <canthus13> It's not bad, actually... I've been playing with it in a VM. <thafreak> so basically it's like crunchbang? :) <canthus13> http://zenix-os.net/ <canthus13> A little more polished than crunchbang, but yes. <canthus13> Still suffers from a small dev base, but not as bad as crunchbang. <jgould> A patent holding company is sueing Apple over the use of Intel procesors... <canthus13> seriously? <jgould> this shit has gone too far <canthus13> So how long before I'm sued for driving a chevy? <thafreak> stupid patent trolls <jgould> the also hit intel and hp <thafreak> canthus13: they won't sue you...you don't have millions of dollars to take away <canthus13> true. <jgould> Lodsys went after iOS developers <thafreak> One good thing about being relatively poor...no one will bother suing you :) <canthus13> you'd think... <thafreak> well, except for the RIAA/MPAA <canthus13> they consider the court system a revenue stream... <canthus13> some have gone so far as to openly declare the court system to be a major revenue stream. <jgould> The RIAA/MPAA thing is because they need to change thier business models to match the current times... (and quit charging so damn much for shit) <Unit193> canthus13: Mind doing support? I'm not the best at Debian atm... <canthus13> Unit193: eh? <Unit193> Over in #Zenix when the others are not currently there... I would call myself newish to the Debian side of things <canthus13> I can try a bit... :) <Unit193> bodhi_zazen is there now so it wouldn't be too bad... <Unit193> ...or you could just laugh when I try ;) <canthus13> :D <canthus13> Hrm... X2Y at least designed the tech that they're suing over, rather than just being a patent holding company... <Unit193> canthus13: How hard would it be for a noob to setup a Debian server? <jgould> Not hard, Unit193 <jgould> I ran debian before I switched the server to Ubuntu <Unit193> Just so long as a noob can do it (Me)... <canthus13> Hmm... * canthus13 is running the Zenix live CD right now. Kinda disappointing that wicd didn't find his wireless card without a bit of nudging. * Unit193 noticed :D <Unit193> Poke it a few times to see if it's still there... <canthus13> Scrolling doesn't work with the touchpad.... the terminal eats my irssi hotkeys and I can't find any way to fix that.... <canthus13> And mouse sensitivity is insanely high. <Cheri703> canthus13: http://consumerist.com/2011/06/man-blogs-his-400-minutes-in-dell-hell.html <jgould> Gee, I know about mouse sensitivity... <Derath-Srvr> lol <Unit193> It's depressing to find an automatic revolving door... <jgould> Wow Cheri703 <canthus13> jgould: I'm testing out Zenix on a live CD.. So far it's not bad, but some of the defaults are a bit silly. <Derath-Srvr> Any more so than the "automatic sidewalks" that are in use in Las Vegas and in Airports? <canthus13> ...Worse, there's no way that I can find to adjust the mouse sensitivity. <canthus13> Hmm... can't install nfs... <canthus13> no repos. :/ <Derath-Srvr> sounds like released too early? <canthus13> Flash is already installed. <canthus13> sound works. :) <Derath-Srvr> nothing ready or refined? <canthus13> Derath-Srvr: It's a live CD, which may be the difference.. I dunno. <Derath-Srvr> true enough... <Derath-Srvr> although being a live cd without the repos kinda makes it difficult for me to use as a tool <Unit193> Looks like someone is curious... <canthus13> Derath-Srvr: It's not bad for Openbox. :) <curious_> ha killing time...trying to figure out what ubuntu ohio is all about. ;) <Derath-Srvr> What we are all about compared to??? <jgould> Cheri703: this site with the info on dells is kinda scary. I had my 1150 just up and die on a boot one day, that was when I switched to Apple. Now I want a System 76... <canthus13> Uhm.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYffV7qhvTc&feature=topvideos_entertainment <Cheri703> curious_: basically we're about helping people enjoy using ubuntu <Unit193> Don't let him scare you off, somone just stole his tater tots... <Cheri703> we are not about 84 egg sandwiches ;) <curious_> lol figured that out. i already use ubuntu saw a link off the ohio linux fest site so i was checking this site out. * deejoe has trouble remembering the name "zareason" but no trouble remembering the name "system76" <jgould> There are tater tots? one of my daughters would be very happy to hear that! XD (I kid,partially) <canthus13> Derath-Srvr: Never mind. Stupid me... forgot to apt-get update. :/ <curious_> the zareason and system76 laptops look nice but they are still a bit pricey <jgould> sudo apt-get install tatertots? <canthus13> curious_: ask Cheri703 about zareason. :/ <jgould> The Sys76 machine that is comprabale to the 13" MacBook Pro on my desk is about $500 cheaper <Cheri703> curious_: where in ohio are you located? <curious_> comparing anything to mac book is high. <curious_> columbus area <Cheri703> and about zareason...the hardware is decent, *my* experience with customer service was abysmal, when I first got the machine, I was gung-ho and planning to purchase from them in the future, now, I will never deal with them again if I can possibly avoid it... <Derath-Srvr> Ah, columbus area, and just in time to check out the Ubuntu Hour tonight <curious_> not tonight...maybe the next one though <Derath-Srvr> and about ZAReason, I tried to get demos from them first, but they blew me off... S76 was much better on that <Unit193> jgould: E: Unable to locate package tatertots <jgould> Darn <Derath-Srvr> That's why we show S76 demos at OLF <jgould> ! <jgould> I can play with a S76 Machine at OLF? <canthus13> Unit193: package possibly deleted or eaten? <Derath-Srvr> Speaking of... I need to contact them soon... <canthus13> jgould: If they're there again... Hopefully we'll have them at our booth again. :) <Derath-Srvr> Pretty much jgould... I usually get 2 or 3 demos <canthus13> I think we had every model they make last time... <jgould> Let me know, as I'm in the market for a machine that will run Ubuntu (or any distro) correctly... <curious_> i swap between two laptops - dell precision workstation (dual boot w/ win7) and an asus netbook. No problems with either. <Derath-Srvr> Lets see... I think last year, what did I have... well, Carl came down so he didn't send me any... <curious_> kids all have dell lattitude lap tops from various years that are running Ubuntu without issues <Derath-Srvr> But I think he brought a Serval, Darter, and I think a Gazelle... <jgould> I'm not too big on Dell any more. * canthus13 is running on a Dell Inspiron 1545, his wife uses a Studio 14z, and his kid has an Inspiron C840.. all of 'em run perfectly. <jgould> I've been looking at the lemur <curious_> well i work for a Dell shop so they fit my IT budget with discounts etc. <Derath-Srvr> I have an HP laptop (25xx series, and hardware failure), S76 Pangolin, and a Dell Poweredge server... <Derath-Srvr> Everything else I have is home-built <jgould> My Dell just up and died one day. I haven't looked at them since <Derath-Srvr> jgould: Let me see what he can send me... <curious_> mine are all reclaimed from the workplace.. lol <canthus13> My hp was a piece of crap. I had a dv6 series that cooked itself, desoldered it's own chipset. :/ <canthus13> twice. <Derath-Srvr> Will let you know in time.... might even be able to get you a discount ;) can't promise though <jgould> Derath-Srvr: Thank you <jgould> :) <jgould> canthus13: that's a bit of heat <Cheri703> canthus13: I have a client whose dv6 killed itself <canthus13> jgould: No. it's sub-standard solder... <jgould> that will do it too <canthus13> Cheri703: Not surprising.. and getting hp to fix them under warranty is like pulling teeth. nvidia paid 200 million bucks to fix the faulty chipsets, with hp getting the lion's share of that 200 million. they probably spent 10% of that to fix the machines that needed it. <Derath-Srvr> Cheri: HP dv6xxx series? <Cheri703> yeah <canthus13> yup. <Derath-Srvr> Yeah, same with my 25xx <canthus13> Mine was a 6227cl. <Derath-Srvr> dv2512 <Derath-Srvr> or was it 2515? either way... <canthus13> It suffered the same issues.. dv2xxx, 6xxx, 9xxx... and a couple of others. <jgould> I wonder if we are harder on our laptops than others are.... <canthus13> jgould: Nah. <canthus13> jgould: we just figure out what went wrong. other people buy a new laptop and never say much. <Derath-Srvr> I just had the heat gun put to it and it melted the electric shielding that goes beneath the heat pipe... <canthus13> I'm amazed at how many people tell me 'My computer got slow, so I bought a new one.' <Derath-Srvr> Curious: how long have you been using ubuntu? <curious_> never had much luck with HP consumer lines. I dont like how they make their business laptops not easy to service. <canthus13> I'm back in a few... gonna reboot. <jgould> Getting the hard drive replaced in my mom's HP Mini was a chore <Derath-Srvr> curious: minor correction to that statement... "how they make ALL their laptops..." lol <curious_> i jumped on about the time Ibex switched to Jaunty <canthus13> jgould: I had to pull the keyboard to get at the drive on my wife's 14z... kind of annoying. <Derath-Srvr> took forever to tear mine apart and put it back together... <Derath-Srvr> Nice <Derath-Srvr> Still on Jaunty then I take it? <curious_> no i jump each time a new one comes out.. have them all running natty now <curious_> Dell makes the most user friendly in terms of service ability laptops. Swap memory or hard drives with a couple of screws. <Derath-Srvr> What do you think of it? (just getting a "newer" user's perspective) <jgould> I have two machines running Natty, and the server is running lucid <Cheri703> curious_: feel free to join the launchpad team and the mailing list <Cheri703> curious_: toshibas are not bad (in my experience) <Derath-Srvr> I'll admit to being an old-fart and old-fashioned lol <curious_> you know i like it. I was messing with the gnome 3 when it was in development but never really cared for it. Unity is a nice feel once you get used to it. <Derath-Srvr> That's why I like other views <jgould> Toshiba's seem to be pretty good <Derath-Srvr> Nice to hear! (slaps duct-tape across canthus13's and BiosElemts' mouths) <Derath-Srvr> Not one word from you two ;) <curious_> i like the useability of it.. i think that canical is doing the right thing becauase you need to get NEW users to come over <jgould> I don't care for unity, it seems slow on both of my machines <curious_> Windows and Macs are full of idiots that dont use a CL so why insist that everyone need to learn it as a linux right of passage? <canthus13> Derath-Srvr: eh? <BiosElement> huh? <jgould> I spend more time in the terminal than the GUI in the mac OS (or so it seems) <curious_> I think it will be better on the gnome3 and when they get bugs worked out. <Derath-Srvr> Very good point curious, and they still make the CL accessible for those that can use it... <canthus13> BiosElement: He's into bondage, apparently. <jgould> See what you did, Derath-Srvr <Unit193> Derath-Srvr: You didn't duct-tape me? I can heckle? <BiosElement> Apparently canthus13 <curious_> i love the guake terminal... <Cheri703> curious_: I use GUI things, but I don't especially like natty :/ it screws with my (current) workflow... <canthus13> meh. guake sounds dirty. :) <Derath-Srvr> No, just keeping the venom in the mouths of the vipers... lol <Cheri703> I think it *could* be usable, but at this point I'm not willing to switch <jgould> morons... <BiosElement> Meh *wonders back to a nap* <Unit193> Adding QT Unity 2D to Onriric <canthus13> I despise unity. I haven't managed to get Gnome3 to work correctly in vbox... <curious_> i like changing things up ... i dont spend much time switching so its not a major part of my day. Use the keyboard shortcuts etc. <Unit193> canthus13: Did you figure out how dmcglone did it? <canthus13> Unit193: Did what? Gnome 3 in vbox? <Derath-Srvr> And who removed the tape from him anyways? <curious_> gnome3 as is sucks... just a wonky feel. it wasnt thought out completely <Unit193> Or you could install 11.10 (Has it in the repos) <Unit193> canthus13: Gnome 3 on live system <BiosElement> Ironically, speaking of gnome3, Phronix did some benchmarks that showed it about 25-50% slower then unity/gnome2/kde <canthus13> Unit193: Meh. I couldn't get it to boot from usb either, even with unetbootin. :( <Derath-Srvr> canthus13, BiosElement: keep in mind you guys have been using Ubuntu for a much longer time... <curious_> i find it a tad sluggish on my netbook with 2gb of ram.. on the precision with 4GB ram and a 1GB nvidia card it is pretty quick. <BiosElement> Derath-Srvr: Am I supposed to be involved in some kind of debate or something? I just got here. :P <Cheri703> Derath-Srvr: curious_ said he(?) started using it back with jaunty, so has been using for a while <curious_> yes but i am still pretty much a hack. :) <Cheri703> that's earlier than I started using it <Derath-Srvr> True, but not as long as they have, Bios, sorry just automatic when trying to keep things from becoming Anti-Unity ;) * Cheri703 started with the 9's...brother tried to get me to check out gutsy...I wasn't willing to do that at that point, told him he was a nerd :) and now I'm a giant geek...used to try to fight it... <BiosElement> I'm not anti-unity, I just don't think it should have been shipped default. >.> <curious_> i am an IT director in a windows shop. learned computers in dark ages on unix systems. farted around on linux a few times over the years but hated the amount of work it was to make it useable. <BiosElement> I'm all for unity, I think new concepts should be tried. <curious_> someone told me to try ubuntu becauase it would work off the disc.. much better than slackware, caldera, or RH that i tried before. <curious_> i think Unity will be one the things that can help set Ubuntu off from Mac/Win. <Derath-Srvr> Possibly... althoguh for my tastes, it does need more refining... <curious_> Its very ironic that something called UNITY has caused so much division <Unit193> It was released too early... <jgould> Unit193: I will agree with that <curious_> i agree but i think that 11.10 will be better and that 12.04 Pukey Possum will be spot on. ;) <jgould> Pukey Possum? XD <Derath-Srvr> is that hte name for 12.04??? <curious_> Peturbed Pigeon? Paranoid Panda? your guess is as good as mine. <Derath-Srvr> ll <Derath-Srvr> lol <BiosElement> No, however I recall 11.10 has a name that no one can pronounce. >.> <jgould> Are we goign to have a Zesty Zebra? <jgould> Something Ocelot <curious_> Oneric Ocelot? <Cheri703> oh-nee-ric is how they're saying it <BiosElement> Paranoid Panda is awesome <Unit193> I like Pigeon and Panda best... <jgould> I like Panda <Cheri703> *technically* it's supposed to be pronounced oh-nye-ric, but....eh <BiosElement> There ya go <jgould> why aren't we on the naming committee <curious_> i dont know...being a bit of redneck i am partial to Possum but techincally it is Opossum. <jgould> ? <BiosElement> Yeah Cheri703, I vote we ship a pronunciation guide with every disk. <Cheri703> hehe <curious_> Platypus wouldnt be bad either... its closer to a penguin <jgould> Or have it installed as part of base-system <jgould> Perky Penguin <jgould> ? <curious_> check the man pages for the phonetic spelling <curious_> ok so what do you guys actually do at an Ubuntu Hour? * Cheri703 is in mansfield, but it's at least similar <Cheri703> we just hang out <Cheri703> chat about computery things <Cheri703> if someone has questions, we'll discuss it <jgould> what's a computer? <Cheri703> if someone wants to show us a cool thing they figured out, we'll check that out <Cheri703> it's pretty casual <curious_> so you dont have people walking in off the street asking you to help fix their systems? lol <jgould> Cheri703: the new nook is shipping according to Android Central <Unit193> Only once... ;) <Cheri703> oh? <Cheri703> they're heading out to the stores? <Cheri703> because official day is 6/10 <jgould> it doesn't say <jgould> just taht it's shipping whith Android 2.1 <curious_> how long untill they are rooted again? I give it 48 hours. <Cheri703> hoping it's pretty quick :) <Derath-Srvr> curious_: usually not, but not to say that we wouldn't * Cheri703 is getting one <curious_> Cheri going to install Ubuntu on it? <Cheri703> nah, it's the e-ink one <Cheri703> I want a reader <jgould> I love e-ink <jgould> I wish this guy would come back... <curious_> wont be long before you can use e-ink in tattoos <jgould> his hold music is annoying <jgould> And the POS locked up again <Derath-Srvr> what are you on hold for? <jgould> trying to get my phone replaced... again... <curious_> what phone? <jgould> BlackBerry Bold9700 <jgould> This thing locks up more than Windows <Unit193> canthus13: Was soll dieser Unsinn? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-13594932 <curious_> bwaaaa you are old! <jgould> ? <jgould> I need a maid... <jgould> or a servant or something <BiosElement> And I need a pink pony... <thafreak> BiosElement: you're a django developer? <curious__> wow that was fun... the web chat thing locked up. <BiosElement> hah, no, no I am not thafreak. :P <thafreak> http://djangopony.com/ <BiosElement> thafreak: Yes, yes I know. They have a pony everywhere <curious__> new nook is kind of cute <BiosElement> Bleh, seems someone decided to have the landlord come over today at 6, so I won't be able to make the Ubuntu Hour :| <Derath-Srvr> ?\ <jgould> :| <jgould> Now I'm talking to a supervisor <BiosElement> hah wow... <curious__> did you see that Oracle is handing over OO to Apache and not The Document Foundation. <BiosElement> I never thought I'd have someone 'schoolin' me that being planful is a 'bad' thing. <Derath-Srvr> Oracle's getting rid of OOo? Wow! <BiosElement> Who cares. >.> <BiosElement> OOo is a worthless brand and it was always a crappy name. <Derath-Srvr> Wow, just looked at the news articles on it... <Derath-Srvr> Bios: in a way I agree, but it's also an interesting move by oracle... <Derath-Srvr> After the publicity, they are just washing their hands of the whole thing... <Derath-Srvr> I think Open Source will eventually tear some bricks off of oracle... * jgould headdesks <BiosElement> Meh, it's too late for that <BiosElement> They already tried the FU card, they won't get a single ounce of cred back for giving it up now. <jgould> No, these idiots at AT&T <Derath-Srvr> Didn't say that they would... <BiosElement> I know Derath-Srvr, Just saying. It's too little, too late. >.> <Derath-Srvr> But think of this as a small crack in their armor... and all the other projects they still "own"... <Unit193> VirtualBox is what I'm looking at... There is no fork... <Derath-Srvr> I'm not looking at their cred, I'm talking about breaking software out of oracle <BiosElement> Ah, I think it's nice and all but it's not even really broken out is it? I mean, LibreOffice picked up steam right out the gate. <Derath-Srvr> But afterwards, Oracle released it completely... <jgould> I was never fond of OOo <BiosElement> I don't really see the gain, I presume they gaveup the trademark as well? <BiosElement> I mean, that's the only part that matters, the code was already free. <Derath-Srvr> Pretty much, they gave up all ownership to it... <Derath-Srvr> from my understanding... <BiosElement> I love how oracle went from one of the most-loved F/OSS backing companies to a scurge right up there with Microsoft >.> <Derath-Srvr> Ya know, I don't recall ever hearing about them contributing to F/OSS... <BiosElement> Derath-Srvr: They were a major funding backer to quite a few projects IIRC <BiosElement> I know PyOhio was sponsored by them at least once anyway and I know that was a tiny event compared to their typical. <curious__> virtual box would be another loss if they get weird there <Cheri703> vmware player is wonderful <Cheri703> I don't use vbox anymore <canthus13> jgould: What did AT&T do this time? <BiosElement> AT&T-Mobile is enough, they don't need to 'do' anything else ;P <jgould> it's their warranty service department <Derath-Srvr> Looks like I get to create a Linux cheatsheet for some douglassanchez@example.org... * jgould sighs. I did this three months ago... Probably for the same amount of time too.. <jgould> Cheatsheet for this phone is going to be in the bottom of the scioto.... * Unit193 still doesn't seem to care for gnome... <jgould> At least RIM's hold music is better than AT&T's <curious__> something ironic about a ubuntu guy on a BB. ;) <deejoe> heh <Derath-Srvr> lol <Derath-Srvr> That's why I held out until I could get an android phone :) <jgould> I'm going to get an andrioid powered phone as soon as I can get the money for it <curious__> i just got the gingerbread update to my Droid X this morning. <jgould> I'm about to shove this blackberry up someone's behind... * Derath-Srvr smirks <Derath-Srvr> Wonder when it'll be pushed to my evo... <curious__> it has a few changes in the UI that are going to take a while to get used to... need to re learn...kind of like unity...LOL <jgould> at least on an android powered device, my calendar, contacts, and email will sync reliabliy... <Unit193> Wow... just a second ago: Lag: 18.64 now it's down to nothing... <jgould> Now up to 90 minutes <jgould> I could have gone from a non functional computer to a working instal of natty... <curious__> TWICE! <jgould> Heh <jgould> ok, Linksys. you can ship the damn thing * skrappjaw has blackberry <jgould> You want my POS blackberry? <Unit193> Sure! <jgould> It's going to be in peices... <jgould> Maybe I should use it for target practice.... * skrappjaw has access to guns. <skrappjaw> Im going to droid soon <jgould> there's a glock sitting behind my laptop right now <jgould> I am as soon as I get the money <skrappjaw> .45? <skrappjaw> My cousin brought his Taurus 45 over. *drool* we turned some old particle board bits to swiss cheeze. it was a good day. <skrappjaw> That was the day that cook thought the rapture would happen. <jgould> 9mm <jgould> Now all the sudden, my email is showing up in time with gmail <jgould> I hate this phone <jgould> and apparently it hates me <Unit193> canthus13: You have the WGR614v5 ? I can't find anything that says it supports bridge mode, do you know? (I'm almost sure it doesn't, with the lack of info. I just need it to :D ) <skrappjaw> my emails never come in sync with the blackberry. <skrappjaw> its sketchy and random. <skrappjaw> I get stuff late all the time. <Cheri703> anyone have a hardback book that they don't want? I need one with PAGE dimensions of: 6" x 7.5" and .75-1" thick * Cheri703 will be scouring thrift stores soon <Derath-Srvr> Hmmm... why the specifics Cheri? <Cheri703> going to make a hollowed out book as a cover/case for my nook :D <Cheri703> basically this, but smaller: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3I5ZJdtAzY&feature=player_embedded <Derath-Srvr> Ah... I see <Cheri703> yup <skrappjaw> im kinda bored and wanna get out of the house for a while. UH is the only thing im doing tonight. <skrappjaw> today* <Cheri703> :( people who ordered them online at release are getting them already :( :( I might have to wait til the end of next week. I called the store and they're like, "I dunno" since online it is saying that stores might be getting them as early as monday <canthus13> Unit193: I've got the v7. * skrappjaw isnt doing well with angrybirds. <Unit193> Thanks anyway... I guess I can't do that... <skrappjaw> we will have most of us there again tonight. <skrappjaw> any one here use a git repo? <Unit193> Yes <Unit193> Not me though <skrappjaw> ahh <Cheri703> skrappjaw: if you were feeling especially generous, Unit193 lives just a little off the route if we took park ave from my house.... <Cheri703> Unit193: do you have your other thing tonight though? <Unit193> Every Weds at 6:30 <skrappjaw> tha sounds cool to me * skrappjaw has no problem makin a detour. <Cheri703> Unit193: would you have a ride FROM u-h? <Cheri703> and/or do you WANT to have a ride there? <Unit193> That actually works well for me (Friend can't go and a few of them are working) * Cheri703 probably shouldn't assume that ;) <Unit193> Now it's just up to if I want to go ;) <skrappjaw> Im bout to go get some gas in my tank <Cheri703> kk, I'll be here and ready :) <Unit193> Cheri703: You remember how to get to here? I'll wait at the end of the road... <skrappjaw> headin out. l8r. <Cheri703> mostly, pm me the exact road name <Unit193> PM > Cheri703 <Cheri703> kk, thanks <Unit193> Now... I should wear clothing? * Cheri703 would appreciate that <Cheri703> alright, I'm packing this thing up, see you in a while Unit193 <Unit193> Cheri703: See ya! <jgould> 1:04 with RIM after a disconnect at 2 hours... <jgould> And a disconnenct <skellat> How long have you had the handset? <jgould> This handset or since the first one was purchased? <skellat> The current one <jgould> I got this one on Mar 17 of this year <skellat> And is AT&T giving you grief over Exchange-by-Mail? <jgould> they are saying the trouble shooting needs to be done, (it was already done...) and are making me talk to RIM again... <skellat> Hunh. That shouldn't be the case. Are you talking to somebody in person or on the phone? <jgould> This is the second phone for pretty much the same apparent reason. <jgould> phoen <jgould> AT&T doens't have instore support for this kind of thing. <jgould> closet device switch center is in Cleveland <skellat> What's the phone not doing? <jgould> working... It locks up, will not get emails for hours, randomly acts stupid <skellat> When was the last reset done to the device? <jgould> May 17 <jgould> wipe and reinstall, no restore <skellat> Same SIM card all along? <jgould> Yep <skellat> Any other chip available for you to swap in? <jgould> Not without completely screwing up our phones for a little bit <skellat> And two separate handsets exhibited the freaky symptoms? <jgould> pretty much the same symptoms. and not right away eihter <skellat> It sucks that bugs can't really be filed on Blackberry OS <jgould> oh, you mean filing the bug against the *whole* OS? <skellat> :-) <skellat> That would work <jgould> http://tinyurl.com/3mlck3t <skellat> The thing is based on QNX and at the core fill only 2 1.44 MB floppies <jgould> Not on the phones <jgould> they are J2ME (which is part of the problem, I thinks) <skellat> J2ME presents all sorts of bizarre warts <skellat> Any older handsets on ebay or the like that you could pick up and slap the SIM into? <jgould> We have a Samsung Jack (runs WinMo) that I can't stand but I'm about to start using... <skellat> The Blackjack devices are tough little buggers. I've seen one that's survived washing machine trips <jgould> Not a blackjack, just the jack <skellat> Apparently it is the follow-on to the Blackjack 2 <jgould> oh <jgould> anyone requested free stickers from System76 <skellat> I haven't. I'm using a System76 box right now, though. * jgould nods <jgould> great day for a sundress... <skellat> That'll change tomorrow...supposed to be a cell of cold air coming in <jgould> it may just cool it off a bit <skellat> I'm hoping. Weather lately has just been a bit too manic. <jgould> Anybody in here coming to C-bus UH #ubuntu-us-oh 2011-06-02 <jgould> Greeting Gilbert <Unit193> Howdy, gilbert <jgould> Unit193: I think its safe to assume that you are douglassanchez@example.org... <Cheri703> we got done a while ago <Cheri703> ours starts at 5 <Cheri703> ish <jgould> You'll start early up there... <jgould> gilbert: are you at Panera? <jgould> How many people did you have show up, Cheri703? <Cheri703> 7 <jgould> Not bad <jgould> One downside to this is that this is my first UH, so I don't kno wwho I'm looking for <jgould> If anyone else is here, I'm sitting in the back corner wearing a red OSU polo <jgould> Also, why am I slepey? <Unit193> jgould: Hold up
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