#ubuntu-ops 2007-10-03 * Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-ops.log <jussi01> lol SeveasWhat is the feature intended for? * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v elkbuntu] by ChanServ <Mez_> !staff | #python is under attack <ubotu> #python is under attack: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, BearPerson or ompaul! I could use a bit of your time :) <Mez_> (and #debian and ##windows) <Hobbsee> ##windows. bah humbug. <stdin> hmm, why is #ubuntu so quiet... * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v elkbuntu] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v GazzaK] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Gary] by ChanServ <jussi01> How do I allow someone into an invite only channel? * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v elkbuntu] by ChanServ <Pici> jussi01: invite them <jussi01> Pici: hehe, how? <Pici> jussi01: your client probably has an /invite command * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Pumpernickel] by ChanServ <LjL> ehm * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+o LjL] by ChanServ * ubotwo was kicked off #ubuntu-ops by LjL (You know why!) <LjL> this is not good * mode/#ubuntu-ops [-o LjL] by LjL <jrib> ubotwo: kick him back! * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+o ubotwo] by ChanServ * LjL was kicked off #ubuntu-ops by ubotwo (Yeah. The bastard.) * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v LjL] by ChanServ <LjL> wha?! this bot is... <jussi01> lol <LjL> [14:23:21] <LjL> deop #ubuntu-ops ubotwo <LjL> [14:23:22] <ubotwo> Error: I cowardly refuse to deop myself. If you really want me deopped, tell me to op you and then deop me yourself. * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+o LjL] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-ops [-o ubotwo] by LjL * mode/#ubuntu-ops [-o LjL] by LjL <jrib> my kind of bot <jussi01> killer... * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+o LjL] by ChanServ * ubotwo was kicked off #ubuntu-ops by LjL (You know why!) <LjL> ok, that's fixed * mode/#ubuntu-ops [-o LjL] by LjL <LjL> that's weird though... i'm sure it didn't autorejoin originally <ubotu> In #ubuntu, Poundo said: ubotu: here it is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39441/ <jdong> ubotu: ok, now be nice, say thank you to the nice guy who gave you a paste.... <Pumpernickel> !botsnack <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT! <Pici> ... That person is still talking to ubotu. <LjL> jdong? yeah, he's a bit insane * jdong gets that a lot :) <jdong> like I just accidently read "Approve" as "Decline" to this guy with 2 LP karma points requesting to join backporters. <jdong> hope I didn't emotionally roller-coaster him too much <LjL> if i became a member, i'm sure he can become a backporter <jdong> LjL: at this point my only criterion is what the TB has forced upon me -- must be MOTU <LjL> makes sense <jdong> right -- basic understanding of packaging and compatibility/testing concepts <jdong> and of course it shows a good dedication to Ubuntu. <LjL> i suppose one can send a backported package for review by a packporter anyway, no? <LjL> packborter <jdong> exactly. <jdong> backporters have the extra power of being able to approve a package <jdong> anything testing/contribution related, anyone who can talk on a LP bug report can help. <LjL> so it makes a lot of sense for them to be motus <jdong> it indeed does <jdong> I guess I'm the hypocritical exception :) <jdong> I should really find some time to devote to my MOTU-ship soon <LjL> as long as exceptions are made with sense :P <jdong> aye :) The exception process would be a shiny tech board meeting :) * jdong contemplates switching out syslog for syslog-ng * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v maxamillion] by ChanServ <jdong> ooh opensuse 10.3 is on all the pirate trackers. <jdong> sweet. <Pici> Yarr <jdong> they've apparently got out-of-the-box codec installers for even w32codecs and libdvdcss <jdong> by opening up some "Opensuse Community Packages" site wink wink nod nod. * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Amaranth] by ChanServ <Pici> hmmm. <Pici> How would I go about getting access to the bantracker now? Ping the S man? <stdin> do @btlogin or /msg ubotu btlogin he'll give you a link <jussi01> lol.. "The S Man" is that a new tv series? <LjL> yes, it's about candle makers <jussi01> heheh <Pici> Seveas: ping. @register is locked down. * genii hands out some coffees <genii> I was referred to this channel for an ubotu idea/recommendation so <genii> Hmm.I'm thinking when ubotu responds to !info <packagename> perhaps appended to it would be nice: to install this package with apt-get, use: sudo apt-get install <packagename> or channel-specific gnome/kde appropriate instructions on install process. at least maybe in the situation where it is piped to the user or pm'd <genii> Perhaps not possible to implement, I don't know. But I suggest since usually the first question after this command is used is for the user to ask about how to install it <Pici> hmmm. * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v maxamillion] by ChanServ <Seveas> Pici, indeed <Seveas> !ping <ubotu> pong <Pici> Yes. The bantracker is locked down as well now. <Pici> As you well know. <Seveas> yes <Pici> Yes. Would it be possible to get myself registered? * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v maxamillion] by ChanServ <Seveas> depends <Seveas> where are you op? <Pici> Only -offtopic right now. <Seveas> what's your LP id? <Pici> bnrubin * Seveas hits zylche * zylche hits Seveas <genii> Geez, he just got here * Seveas hits genii instead <Seveas> zylche, join me :) * zylche hits genii as well <genii> Seveas: OK, go back to hitting someone else then ;) <zylche> I like this game. * mc44 hits genii with zylche <genii> I feel like a pinyata now <mc44> a pinyata with a delicious coffee treat inside <Seveas> Pici, try @login -- should work now <Seveas> and then @btlogin to get a login url for the bantracker * genii puts some bandaids on the wounds * zylche fires mc44 out of a cannon at genii <jussi01> heheh * jussi01 recruits ubotu and takes over the world... <genii> zylche: And to think i felt sorry for Seveas hitting you! <genii> :) <Seveas> genii, bad move :) * mc44 mutters about not being able to see his high score on the bantracker any more :P <genii> hmph <Pici> mc44: Here, have this screenshot instead: http://nullcortex.com/upload/desktop/bantracker-dark.png <Pici> Seveas: Thanks, looks like its working. <mc44> Pici: yeah, not quite the same without the ten pages of scrolling :) <Seveas> Pici, greasemonkey? <Seveas> or simply user css? <Pici> Seveas: userstyles, essentially the same thing. <Seveas> its proper colors are now blue and white <Pici> I saw :) <Seveas> got tired of red and yellow <Pici> Red/Yellow were really hard against a dark gnome theme. * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v PriceChild] by ChanServ <Seveas> Pici, btw is that windows I'm seeing....? <Pici> Seveas: Yes... thats from work :( <mc44> Pici has themed his entire intewebs emo <Seveas> Emobuntu -- all black, all day <Pici> mc44: So? http://nullcortex.com/upload/desktop/091807.png <mc44> Seveas: not quite *all* black, http://nsfw-comix.com/comix/nsfw-crayemo.jpg <Seveas> hahahahahahaha <PriceChild> This dialup is like broadband compared to my phone.... <Pici> Dialup? Why? <PriceChild> Moved into uni house, phoneline was only activated a day or so ago. <mc44> PriceChild: my phone is like broadband compared to dialup :) <PriceChild> BT still haven't got their act together and "updated their records" so that broadband providers can see how good the line is, and make a promise on what speeds they could deliver until they start a contract. <PriceChild> Hmm gonna see if this modem works in Ubuntu :) <ubotu> erUSUL called the ops in #ubuntu * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v PriceChild] by ChanServ <PriceChild> maybe not * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v maxamillion] by ChanServ <slackd00d> how can o join #ubuntu agian after fixing the "dccexploit" * jussi01 wakes up PriceChild <PriceChild> Heya :) <PriceChild> slackd00d, if you read the topic int he channel you were sent to, it tells you to come here, then *ask for a test* <slackd00d> sorry, i didnt see that <PriceChild> slackd00d, did you read the rest of it...? <PriceChild> slackd00d, including how to fix your problem? <slackd00d> im on 8001 and updated firmware <PriceChild> good <PriceChild> congrats, you pass :) <slackd00d> thank ya <slackd00d> = ) * jdong wonders what would happen if we forwarded all of the vulnerable to #ubuntu-dcc...... <Pici> jdong: how would we do that? <jussi01> lol <jdong> Pici: kickforward instead of banning? :) <jdong> come on, that would be at least lightly amusing <Pici> jdong: we do banforward. <PriceChild> Pici, are you on xchat? <jdong> Pici: it'd be better if we stuck them all in one channel, where everyone is vulnerable :) <slackd00d> ya to #ubuntu-read-topic <jdong> really. <PriceChild> jdong, that's what we do.. * jdong starts up tor.... <jdong> (kidding!) <jussi01> lol <jdong> PriceChild: that sounds only slightly amusing. <PriceChild> slackd00d, i'll get you back in #ubuntu in a min, please bear with me :) <jdong> PriceChild: so do people in there randomly DCC each other? <slackd00d> prince: no problem, thank you <slackd00d> oops <PriceChild> jdong, its +m <jussi01> hehe <jdong> PriceChild: pfft that's no fun! <PriceChild> you could do it to people, but not the channel <PriceChild> and they don't know how to do it anyway ;) <jdong> PriceChild: are other people allowed to join the channel though? <Pici> jdong: sure, I was just there. <PriceChild> jdong, erm.... no you can't. <jdong> lol <Pici> Not like I could do anything though. <jdong> does +m prevent one from noticing the whole channel? <Pici> I believe so. * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Mez] by ChanServ <PriceChild> aha.. found the ban finally :) <slackd00d> heh <slackd00d> must have a long list <PriceChild> painful without chanserv.py :) <PriceChild> slackd00d, done, you should be able to rejoin #ubuntu :) <slackd00d> PrinceChild: thank you <jussi01> lol <PriceChild> !tab | slackd00d <ubotu> slackd00d: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line. <PriceChild> slackd00d, there's no "n" <slackd00d> = X tab didnt work <PriceChild> how rude of it <slackd00d> i need to change irssi.config <slackd00d> irssi/config * Mez yawns and thinks <slackd00d> i just setup this box so my config's are not up to par <seisen> how do I go about getting a cloak for since I am a Ubuntu Member now <PriceChild> How long did he wait? :O <Pici> 5 minutes. <PriceChild> Hey seisen, want an ubuntu member cloak then? :) <seisen> yes <seisen> I was just going ask you <Tm_T> muhah <Tm_T> seisen: well you did ask already * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v nalioth] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v LjL-Temp] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v gnomefreak] by ChanServ <bernier> Hi, a few weeks ago, i've been banned from #ubuntu because I acted stupid (tried !nigga | bernier), I'd like to know when or how I could get this ban removed. <LjL> bernier, it wasn't "a few weeks ago", it was 4 days ago... <bernier> oh maybe. <bernier> so this means it hasn't been long enough? <LjL> bernier, mostly it means that i get suspicious if someone says he's been banned for weeks when it's just a couple of days <bernier> I knew it was about a week or so, but really thought it's been more than 4 days <bernier> but anyway I just wanted to apologize for my foolishness, and i'm usually not that type of guy <LjL> !etiquette > bernier (bernier, see the private message from Ubotu) <LjL> !guidelines > bernier (bernier, see the private message from Ubotu) <LjL> !coc > bernier (bernier, see the private message from Ubotu) <LjL> bernier: please make sure you read all that and respect it in the future. the next "foolishness" is very unlikely to be tolerated <bernier> LjL: no problem, but there won't be anymore "foolishness" :) this channel helps me so much <bernier> Thank you and have a good day <LjL> bernier: have a good day too <jussi01> thanks LjL :) <LjL> of what? <jussi01> LjL: that guy who pinged everyone... :) <LjL> ah <LjL> it's usually an automatic ban even :) <jussi01> hehe <jussi01> ok <LjL> mneptok: retreating on the guadalinex thing. i've (painstakingly, as none of vmware, vbox and qemu work) run it, and its Gaim does *not* connect to #ubuntu by default * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Pici] by ChanServ <mneptok> LjL: hmmm ... wonder how they find us, then. <mneptok> LjL: what's Firefox's default home page, and does it have irc:// links? <LjL> mneptok: perhaps they're really just using Ubuntu... although the girl we've talked to confirmed she was in Andalucia from a public internet center, and Guadalinex is made just for that <LjL> mneptok: ouch, i haven't tried that <Pici> Thats what I've thought. <tonyyarusso> mneptok: file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html <mc44> LjL: she didn't actually say she was using guadalinux? <tonyyarusso> mneptok: No link, text - "or chat with the community on Freenode IRC Channel: #ubuntu." <LjL> mc44: she did, but only after we kind of hinted. <mc44> LjL: not that I don't trust your Spanish :P <LjL> mc44, erUSUL spoke to her <LjL> i did, too, but i think he'd know. <mneptok> tonyyarusso: is this from a default Guadalinex installation? <Pici> Perhaps we should contact them... or something. <tonyyarusso> mneptok: no, Ubuntu sorry <mneptok> tonyyarusso: heh. you have a pretty low opinion of my skills. ;) <LjL> Pici, i intended to, but if they *don't* connect to #ubuntu by default, then there's no purpose <Pici> LjL: Of course. <gnomefreak> jdong: you around atm? #ubuntu-ops 2007-10-04 <LjL> mneptok: note how that guy, who likes so part so quickly, has such an interesting realname: ubuntu_ n=ubuntu 213-65-172-147-no96.tbcn.telia.com * Live session user <LjL> ahum - let me type that line again, just a test <LjL> mneptok: note how that guy, who likes so part so quickly, has such an interesting realname: ubuntu_ n=ubuntu 213-65-172-147-no96.tbcn.telia.com * Live session user <LjL> ubuntu_ n=ubuntu 213-65-172-147-no96.tbcn.telia.com * Live session user <LjL> i think ubotu thinks that's a bug number <Pici> LjL: Why do you think that? <LjL> Pici: try. <Pici> I did. <LjL> on the channel. <Pici> oh <LjL> or in -bots, same <Pici> Yeah, I pasted the realname my ubotu query window. <Pici> xml error. <Pici> !ping <ubotu> pong <Pici> LjL: Could you help me with warrior: http://pastebin.com/m3c090178 <Pici> hes in #ubuntu and querying me <LjL> Pici: helped <Pici> Thanks :) <Pici> er. Okay. <LjL> Pici: he wasn't being nice with you in query. <Pici> Oooh. <LjL> hahah "aggiornated" <LjL> that's nice * LjL follows him into #ubuntu-it <LjL> Pici: he's asking me why i banned him. can i answer the truth? <LjL> actually, i'm just inviting him here. bear with some italian. <warrior> ci sono <LjL> warrior, you have been banned because you were a bit offensive with pici. <LjL> he, and the other people, were just trying to point you to the best channel. <LjL> capito che ho detto? <warrior> pici un rompi scatole...perch anche mentre parlavo in inglese continuava a dirmi di andarmene....gli ho solo detto se aveva finito di rompere le scatole.... <LjL> non hai usato proprio quel termine. <LjL> in questi canali siamo piuttosto "stretti" in quanto a linguaggio. <warrior> lo so...mi scuso:quando leverai il ban sar libero di entrare nel canale a parlare come posso in inglese per imparare la lingua? <LjL> warrior: io ti consiglio, se vuoi imparare la lingua, di usare #ubuntu-offtopic, dove si pu parlare liberamente di quasi tutto (sempre con educazione) - #ubuntu solo per supporto tecnico, quindi probabilmente ti conviene usare #ubuntu-it <LjL> comunque, io ora tolgo il ban. <LjL> per non trattare male la gente semplicemente perch usa il bot per darti informazioni. <LjL> Pici ti stava dicendo proprio che puoi usare #ubuntu-offtopic per imparare la lingua, nel secondo messaggio <warrior> ok mi scuso ancora! gli andr immediatamente a chiedere scusa! <warrior> scusa ancora questo canale a cosa serve? <warrior> LjL e come era il nome del canale di prima? <LjL> warrior: questo canale per questioni come appunto i ban. il canale di prima, quale? #ubuntu? <warrior> si,come si chiamava? ubuntu-com? <LjL> warrior: semplicemente #ubuntu <Vorian> okie dokie <Vorian> welcome one and all <Vorian> oops * LjL thinks Vorian is in the wrong channel <warrior> ok,anche se mi dice su offtopic che si parla solo inglese.... <Hoff> Hello <Vorian> LjL, yep so sorry :) <Hoff> Please can I be unbanned from main ubuntu <LjL> warrior: s, sia su #ubuntu sia su #ubuntu-offtopic si parla inglese. gli unici canali per l'italiano sono #ubuntu-it e #ubuntu-it-chat <Hoff> You can perma ban me from all channels if I act up again <LjL> warrior: ma tu dicevi che volevi imparare meglio l'inglese <warrior> ok, ma io su offtopic parlavo inglese... <LjL> Hoff: how come you've changed your nickname? <Hoff> I change nicknames quite a bit <Ant1jr> there <LjL> warrior, gli dir che vuoi imparare l'inglese. ti mandano su -it semplicemente perch pensano di aiutarti. <LjL> Ant1jr: how am i supposed to believe you aren't going to troll again, after those behaviors? <Ant1jr> I can't really prove that I won't unless you unban me :/ <Ant1jr> At least I can't think of a way <LjL> Ant1jr: you've been given more than one chance already, however <gnomefreak> ban evaader watch -offotpivc <gnomefreak> -offtopic even <Ant1jr> I've never been banned before on ubuntu <Ant1jr> before now <LjL> Ant1jr: you were on -offtopic. <LjL> gnomefreak: noted. <gnomefreak> if i had to gues he was identified and couldnt join #ubuntu so he logged off fast :) <Ant1jr> I was looking for you <LjL> gnomefreak: precisely. <gnomefreak> yep he did it too <Ant1jr> what <gnomefreak> ;) <Ant1jr> what are you talking about <Ant1jr> I havent evaded any bans <Ant1jr> Yes I came on offtopic <Ant1jr> but im still on there atm <Ant1jr> I didnt quick log off <warrior> ok grazie ancora di tutto e scusa per prima ora devo riavviare ciao! <LjL> gnomefreak: ugh, i'm so lagged <gnomefreak> me too <LjL> Ant1jr: no, we weren't talking about you now <gnomefreak> what about him in +1? <Ant1jr> oh ok <Ant1jr> well what about me then <gnomefreak> Xero: where is your host mask? <Xero> What do you mean? My cloak or my real hostmask? <gnomefreak> @unaffiliated/xero9364 <gnomefreak> why did you change it? <Xero> I changed it because i wanted to use the name Xero. Someone was using my nick so I ghosted them. <gnomefreak> after stating and pasting that you couldnt join #ubuntu <Xero> -NickServ- [Xero] has been killed <gnomefreak> Xero: why both with same real name? <Xero> What do you mean? <Xero> Like from whois? <gnomefreak> Xero and Xero9364 have same real name as you and same everything <Xero> I know. <Xero> Xero9364 is me. Xero is the account I was supposed to be using, but someone was on it. <gnomefreak> so the person with the cloak was not you is what you are saying? <Xero> No. I'm saying the only reason I was even using that nick was to ghost the guy on my real one. <gnomefreak> Xero: how did they get a hold of you ubuntu account on your pc <Xero> I might be running 2 clients or something, but I very highly doubt it. <gnomefreak> seeing as thats about the only way to connect using same info as you <Xero> joining #ubuntu was me. xero9364 = xero. Some other guy was using the nick "Xero". <Xero> I ghosted them after joining a chennel i was -supposed- to be banned in and being confused. <Xero> s/chennel/channel <gnomefreak> xero9364 > Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned). Aren't I supposed to be banned from -this- channel, not #ubuntu? <gnomefreak> 20:03 < xero9364 > Oh. <gnomefreak> was that you? <Xero> Yes. That was me <gnomefreak> did you not right after saying Oh changed to non cloaked user? <Xero> I changed nicks after ghosting a person on my real one, so yes I changed cloaks. <Xero> Accidentally, but yes. <gnomefreak> why didnt you identify right after changing instead of joining a channel you were banned from? <Xero> I have no idea, really. <Tm_T> accidentally evaded ban? sure possible, but funny if true * Tm_T has weird sense of humour <Xero> I'm totally confused now. Either way, like I said, it's no big deal. If I'm banned I'll deal with it in a calm manner. <Xero> Tm_T, it's true. I accidentally evaded a ban in #ubuntu-offtopic by having some guy logged in as my nick. <LjL> Xero: a guy who had your very same hostname? <LjL> i mean, if that guy was connecting from your own computer... <LjL> it might have been you <Xero> Then it was revealed that my old nick ( I didn't know this) was banned from #ubuntu probably over a month ago. <Xero> So I'm confused. <gnomefreak> Xero: if you have who was using your id than i will be glad to speak with this person to clear it up <Xero> I don't have the hostname. I just ghosted them. <LjL> well, i have his hostname, though <LjL> and it's your hostname <gnomefreak> its the unaffilated? <Pici> LjL: Which? <gnomefreak> or the ip? <Xero> Let's not try to explain anything to me, as I am stupid. Just let me be banned and move on with your lives. <Tm_T> heh <Pici> Xero: I think thats a good idea. <gnomefreak> for him to have your cloak he would know your passwords i suggest changing them just incase <Tm_T> I wonder why he is banned anyway <LjL> gnomefreak, Pici, hostname ("IP"). <Xero> gnomefreak, I did change them. <Xero> Tm_T, probably offensive language. <Tm_T> Xero: when? <LjL> Tm_T, lots of reasons, check the trcker.. <Pici> brb * Tm_T sips coffee from his Ubuntu mug <gnomefreak> ok we will come back to this and loook at it again after a while but for now im sorry as it looks this ban is good and will stand for now. <Tm_T> LjL: I see, thats enough for me :) * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Pici] by ChanServ <Tm_T> I'm only curious, not going to judge anything <Xero> gnomefreak, like I said, I'll be banned. I could really care less as long as I have -somewhere- to talk to Linux people. <Ant1jr> I'm back <Ant1jr> can I please be unbanned from ubuntu <Xero> I think the whole investigation thing was pointless, as I already knew I was banned, and what for, even if by accident a ban was evaded. <gnomefreak> Xero: do you remember why you were banned in first place? <Xero> gnomefreak, that account, I think, was banned for offensive language over a month ago. <Pici> fyi: 20:22:50 [freenode] -gsp0tz(rodriguezcrystal@example.org)- Make free cartoons & silly ecards on <Pici> I also got one when I joined #ubuntu <Tm_T> @btlogin <Pici> -gsp0tz(rodriguezcrystal@example.org)- LOL, http://www.pici.is-a-jerk.com found on google :) <gnomefreak> Xero: that is what im seeeing but i wanted to make sure that is why. ok we will review this ban again in 2weeks or so and we will let you know. thank you for flighing #ubuntu-air <gnomefreak> Pici: who is that? <Xero> No, seriously, DON'T review it. <Pici> gnomefreak: Someone noticing people as they join/part ubuntu <Pici> LjL took care of it. <gnomefreak> Pici: i saw <Pici> okay :) <Xero> I'll just go somewhere else. Please don't make a big deal of things. I'm happy, you're happy, we're all happy. <gnomefreak> Xero: its not our policy to ban people and not review it. <Tm_T> Pici: =) <Pici> Also, I'm not a jerk :p <gnomefreak> im online talking about why someone i dont know was banned (wonders where happy is in this) <Tm_T> Xero: yes, we are happy when nobody is banned <ubotu> In ubotu, kitche said: mysqlreset is To reset MySQL root password see http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html <Xero> gnomefreak, okay, but you're wasting your time on me. Seriously, just keep me banned. <Ant1jr> Please unban me <Ant1jr> Please <Xero> Just to repeat myself, I'm okay with it as long as I have -somewhere- to go that I can talk to other Linux users. <Ant1jr> Ill never troll again I swear <gnomefreak> Ant1jr: hold on we are reviewing it as we speak <Ant1jr> alrigh <gnomefreak> @btlogin <LjL> Xero, ##linux, #defocus, possibly others. certainly not #ubuntu-ops ;) <LjL> !etiquette > Ant1jr (Ant1jr, see the private message from Ubotu) <LjL> !guidelines > Ant1jr (Ant1jr, see the private message from Ubotu) <LjL> !coc > Ant1jr (Ant1jr, see the private message from Ubotu) <LjL> make very sure you've read all of that, before rejoining #ubuntu. <Ant1jr> ok <Ant1jr> ty <Pici> Who is liarc? <LjL> i don't think i have the slightest idea <Pici> liarc: Howdy. How can we help you? * gnomefreak dont know liarc unless that was the moron the other day wityh ubuntu sucks use archlinux? <gnomefreak> but i dont think so <Pici> Wasnt that earlier today? <gnomefreak> not for me <gnomefreak> i saw it the other day <gnomefreak> yesterday day before something <Pici> Completely different hostnames. <LjL> well <LjL> he joined one day ago, and never said anything <LjL> and i think his channel list is almost full * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+o LjL] by ChanServ <LjL> paaah * mode/#ubuntu-ops [-o LjL] by LjL <LjL> whatever. <Tm_T> muhahahaha * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Jucato] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v rob] by ChanServ * Tm_T is quick'n'dirty today <ubotu> In #kubuntu, MythbuntuGuest04 said: ubotu what is that? * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v rob] by ChanServ <ubotu> bruenig called the ops in #ubuntu <effie_jayx> nalioth, ping <nalioth> pong, effie_jayx <Cpudan80> Hello all <Cpudan80> Will one of the FNode staffers PM me please? <Cpudan80> ty <effie_jayx> how do I set a channel to invisible... so it doesn't show on the public list of channels * nalioth looks at the channel name <effie_jayx> it is a non ubuntu channel by the way <nalioth> For tips and information on channel and user modes and management, see http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml effie_jayx <tonyyarusso> effie_jayx: +s? <Pici> odd. <effie_jayx> cool <effie_jayx> Pici, yeah ... <effie_jayx> windows staff? <effie_jayx> could it be that someone was trolling in a windows channel? <Pici> Could be, but I would have asked in #freenode, not #ubuntu-ops <Pici> Anyway, sleeptime for me. <effie_jayx> must have been an ubuntu user <effie_jayx> tonyyarusso, I set the mode to +s and chanserv sets it back to -s <tonyyarusso> effie_jayx: check your mlock <effie_jayx> mlock? <nalioth> effie_jayx: /msg chanserv help set mlock <effie_jayx> thanks * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v stdin] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Amaranth] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Madpilot] by ChanServ <admin8tor> please help me rejoin ubuntu, I have changed ports. <tonyyarusso> admin8tor: all set <admin8tor> thank you much! :) <ubotu> Flannel called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Amaranth] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Seveas] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Gary] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Hobbsee] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v elkbuntu] by ChanServ <Gary> elkbuntu, woo, move went okay? <elkbuntu> yeah... just waiting on broadband now <Gary> eeek, dial up? <elkbuntu> si <elkbuntu> sucky as <elkbuntu> cant even use google maps, which would be awfully handy in a new city and all <Hobbsee> oh dear. <elkbuntu> well, you can, but half the images time out and stuff because it takes so long... and a zoom wastes like 5 minutes * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Jucato] by ChanServ <elkbuntu> and of course, whitepages.com.au decides to include everything within a 200k radius, and im so not going to go get a pizza from 200k away <Hobbsee> heh * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Jucato] by ChanServ <gnomefreak> /msg chanserv help set mlock <gnomefreak> omg 04:59 -!- Irssi: #bash: Total of 327 nicks [321 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 6 normal] * nalioth checks gnomefreaks temperature * nalioth offers gnomefreak melatonin <gnomefreak> ;) i just cant believe the amout of ops for one channel * rob notes that bearperson isn't one of them :) <gnomefreak> oh and still not sure what nlock is the command /cs help set nlock doesnt work <gnomefreak> 3 python books you would think hello world would be in one of them :( <rob> gnomefreak, do you know any other language? If so, just read diveintopython (google for it, its free on the net). <mc44> print "hello world" <mc44> ;) <gnomefreak> rob: i have that book and yes i know alot more C than anything <Hobbsee> it's in ubuntu, too <gnomefreak> yep its installed by default iirc * rob wonders what you need a hello world example for then <gnomefreak> rob: im gonna hack it to print on /n for 10 or 15 times but being as the whole script for hello world is "print hello world" makes it a bit harder IMHO <gnomefreak> the purpose is to show someone how defining varibles works example x = hello y = world print x y <gnomefreak> i know that block wont work just example <bobsomebody> ah i didnt know this was here <bobsomebody> curious q, i have had 2 bans from #ubuntu <rob> print "Hello World!" would be the simplest example <rob> or you could do: <rob> main(): <rob> print "hello world" <rob> if __name__ == "__main__": <rob> main() <bobsomebody> i dont DHCP, and im not a complete jackhole most of the time, just kinda curious if there is a way to tell me why i got banned at all? <gnomefreak> bobsomebody: from where? <bobsomebody> i was banned from #ubuntu <gnomefreak> bobsomebody: what is your quit message? wondering if you were the user banned for that <gnomefreak> @btlogin <bobsomebody> ummm, i dont think i have one, and its usually a family rated one <gnomefreak> looking brb <bobsomebody> ty <bobsomebody> one time i think i had it commin, but that was for pasting the debian cow, i wasnt paying attention to the system carrot <gnomefreak> im not showing a ban on you * bobsomebody has 5 screens <gnomefreak> bobsomebody: ah yes i think i remember that <bobsomebody> gnomefreak, it lifted sometime in the last 48-72hrs <bobsomebody> well that was a while ago <bobsomebody> like a month at least, maybe 1.5mo's <gnomefreak> the ban was lifted? <bobsomebody> yeah, i got back in <bobsomebody> a couple days ago i got a ban msg <bobsomebody> said pretty much something like cannot join #ubuntu you are banned. <bobsomebody> that was all i really got <ubotu> In #ubuntu-lb, Merlintosh said: !Magaltavor is founder of ubuntu-lb shall you need more info look it up in Guiness book of records.. <gnomefreak> bobsomebody: are you still banned in #ubuntu atm <bobsomebody> no <bobsomebody> im in there <bobsomebody> helping someone with a crashed x11 :P <ubotu> In #ubuntu-lb, Merlintosh said: !Magaltavor is founder of ubuntu-lb <stdin> do you always use that nick or do you have another? <gnomefreak> stdin: he was banned fro the cow but hes no longer banned <bobsomebody> always this nick <gnomefreak> i remember the nick <bobsomebody> i have registered it and many variations <bobsomebody> like nick_ nick__ and spelling changes abrevs <gnomefreak> bobsomebody: hint next time dont ask why you were banned if the ban was lifted <bobsomebody> well i want to know why <bobsomebody> because i would like to avoid being a jackhole if possible <bobsomebody> besides, i like ubuntu <gnomefreak> bobsomebody: i cant find it on bantracker at all but if you pasted the cow thing in channel that is why <bobsomebody> yeah but that one only lasted 24 hrs and i knew about it <bobsomebody> this time i seriously wasnt here afair <stdin> gnomefreak: that's why I asked, I can't find a ban (in place or removed) <bobsomebody> maybe someone masqed my ip? <gnomefreak> bobsomebody: oh dmn hold on can you please list the names you have registered <overclucker> you wouldn't mind showing me the cow, would you? <overclucker> hehe <gnomefreak> overclucker: he does it in here you will get the boot <gnomefreak> @btlogin <Tm_P> mooh <bobsomebody> overclucker, its the easter egg in apt-get line for line <overclucker> just joking, i'm sure he would show more brains that that <gnomefreak> bobsomebody: is all you have bobsomebody_ or __ or ___ <bobsomebody> bobsomeone, bobsumone, bobsumbody, bobsumbody_, bobsumbody__, and the three variants u listed <bobsomebody> afair <ikonia> I know those nicks <bobsomebody> lately i have only used bobsomebody myself <bobsomebody> and i think bobsomebody_ signs on but never joins (dif computer) and i kill the connection <gnomefreak> bobsomebody: non of them are listed in bantracker <bobsomebody> hm, anything close? <bobsomebody> bobon1100 also <gnomefreak> i searched all names you listed none of them are pulling up a ban <bobsomebody> (forgot the lappy) <bobsomebody> gnomefreak, bobon1100 gives nothing? <gnomefreak> nope, here i will have ubotu give you a few links if in doubt always check the links that are given <gnomefreak> !coc > bobsomebody <gnomefreak> !rules > bobsomebody <bobsomebody> ok, if I get banned again I am able to return to this channel right? <gnomefreak> bobsomebody: you got 2 pms from ubotu <gnomefreak> bobsomebody: if you get banned yes come to this channel <bobsomebody> yeah i got them <bobsomebody> ok ty, i didnt know this chan was here <gnomefreak> good since i cant find the bans that is next best thing * bobsomebody looks around <bobsomebody> nice place :) <ubotu> In #ubuntu-lb, Merlintosh said: !Dell is a Leading Hardware provider that offers ubuntu as an operating system of choice on its desktops, Dell is a direct partner to businesses and consumers that delivers innovative technology and services. <bobsomebody> ok, ty again * bobsomebody waves bye * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Hobbsee] by ChanServ <ubotu> ikonia called the ops in #ubuntu <ikonia> guys theskorm in #ubuntu is just being a real pain, abuseive, spamming me with bot messages etc etc. * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v maxamillion] by ChanServ <ikonia> thanks guys <gnomefreak> anyone else scripts messed up? <gnomefreak> i can remove anyone tells me its not a command <stdin> works here <jrib> can I test on you? * gnomefreak looking for test subject atm <gnomefreak> 08:36 -!- Irssi: Unknown command: ar :( * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-ops [-o Hobbsee] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v gnomefreak] by ChanServ <gnomefreak> ok who was the one that did that :( trying to fix something * Hobbsee looks around innocently <gnomefreak> ;) <gnomefreak> can i just start trying to remove random lurkers? * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v stdin_] by ChanServ <stdin_> you can remove me :) <gnomefreak> ah 2 nicks * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+o gnomefreak] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-ops [-o gnomefreak] by gnomefreak <gnomefreak> now it works <gnomefreak> hmmmmmmm maybe too long uptime? <gnomefreak> jdong: let me know when you are ready to work ;) <stdin> I've seen the python plugin stop working sometimes, I couldn't find a reason <gnomefreak> stdin: ty :) <stdin> :) <gnomefreak> i use irssi/perl scripts <jdong> gnomefreak: when classes are done this afternoon, I'd love to. <gnomefreak> jdong: ok cool <stdin> I guess it could just be one of those random things <gnomefreak> jdong: let me know and i can give you a bug with a complete debdiff for a backport (not sure exactly what to do with it so i figured id ping you <gnomefreak> stdin: my color scripts stops working at times as well <Jucato> %login <Tm_T> AkIntI [{{EMAIL+PHONE}}] in #ubuntu did msg spam me, am I only one? <Pici> When? <Tm_T> Pici: 1 hour 25 min ago <Tm_T> -+5 min <Pici> Tm_T: I didn't get anything :/ <Tm_T> hmh <Tm_T> why me!?! <Pici> You're so popular! <Tm_T> :( <gnomefreak> hes acting up again? <gnomefreak> we unbanned him last night <Tm_T> meh <Tm_T> how about permanent? <gnomefreak> please tell me hes not acting up <gnomefreak> Tm_T: i suggested that the first time but couldnt find why i said that last night so we unbanned him but we know to log it now <gnomefreak> Tm_T: do you still have the pm? <Tm_T> I think I have a log <gnomefreak> can i see what he sent you, that will determine what is done next and ill just ping ljl about it when i see him <gnomefreak> after all that shit last night * gnomefreak is now pissed <Tm_T> 15:03 <AkIntI> add contact MsN >> rodriguezcrystal@example.org <gnomefreak> ty <Tm_T> thats what my awaylog has <Tm_T> weird, looks like my autolog has gone off <gnomefreak> that might be wrong person <gnomefreak> that might not be him <Pici> Hrm. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/technology/circuits/04basics.html suggests to use Automatix with Ubuntu. <gnomefreak> hes gone if he comes back let one of us know or if you can ban him if he does it again to anyone <gnomefreak> any people wonder why NYC is messed up <Tm_T> gnomefreak: well I was away when that happened but sure I will yell it out if it happens again * gnomefreak wonders if my ssiter has friends in nytimes ;) * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Amaranth] by ChanServ <gnomefreak> There is the price: Linux is free, or nearly so. << not entirely true at all RHLE sells for ~$80.00 in retail stores <jdong> gnomefreak: that's a cheap RHEL license... but still, you get Redhat support with that money <jdong> gnomefreak: and you have to admit, RHN is really sweet <Pici> I think the article is poorly written for a NYT feature. <jdong> being able to see a Web GUI view of update status of your entire network? <jdong> that's awesome. <gnomefreak> eh i never liked it i liked fedora more but that has gone to hell as well <jdong> gnomefreak: so much of what we have we owe to Fedora/Novell's work, even if we don't like their distros we still have to value their efforts <gnomefreak> jdong: agreed <gnomefreak> fedora 1 or 2 was one of my first distros cant remember is suse or fedora came first for me <jrib> automatix site seems broken anyway <stdin> maybe they uses the automatix scrip on the site and it broke ;) <Pici> Good. <gnomefreak> im gonna email them on this since automatix does screw up so many systems, just have to remember sisters number <Pici> gnomefreak: I couldnt find any contact information for the author on NYT, but I did find his website: http://pcanswer.com/about/ <gnomefreak> Pici: ty ill look but my sister should have the contact info i need <jdong> but I agree with the fact that it's a terrible NYT article. <jdong> gnomefreak: I make it my goal to try out every Fedora and SUSE release just to see what they have going.... <jdong> gnomefreak: I am investigating how Opensuse 10.3 can spawn grub->gdm in about 10 seconds... :) <gnomefreak> 10 seconds? good luck ;) <jdong> gnomefreak: I am leaning towards some sort of kernel readahead/prefetch patch. There's nothing that they do in userland that can do it. <jdong> gnomefreak: I mean, the thing feels like an XP bootup. During the whole procedure, the disk quietly and smoothly slurps up data, never stopping, and the boot never stalls waiting for this to happen.... <jdong> the stalling part of my bootup is a DHCP request, which is seconds 7 to 10 <jdong> total silence, then as soon as that's done, BOOM X flips on and GDM is ready, no disk activity at all <jdong> whatever they're doing, they're doing it right.... <gnomefreak> is there that many modules more than we have in kernel for it to load <jdong> gnomefreak: the module count looks roughly identical to me.... <jdong> gnomefreak: but somehow even while modprobe is executing, their prefetcher can still continue to cache disk activity. <jdong> that's something that we can't do <jdong> module loading blocks userspace, so their prefetcher must be in kernel. <gnomefreak> why cant we? <jdong> our readahead-list implementation is in userland, blocked when hardware is probing :( <gnomefreak> ah <jdong> gnomefreak: currently, our readahead slurps up everything as soon as the disk mounts, stalling bootup until that happens (you probably notice that every bootup) <gnomefreak> yep <jdong> that's the best thing we can do now, it's faster than backgrounding the readaheader and pushing on with boot. <jdong> keybuk was talking about a new set of kernel prefetch patches implemented as a SoC project <gnomefreak> cool <jdong> hopefully that puts us back on the top again :) That and whenever we actually START using upstart. <gnomefreak> we are on top ;) <jdong> for the average joe, startup speeds are still important. Particularly when we can't suspend/hibernate reliably on 50% or more of hardware out there... <LjL> jdong: who is "they" whose prefetcher works outside userland? <Pici> jdong: Have you looked at a bootchart? <jdong> LjL: I suspect Opensuse <jdong> Pici: lol working on it, as soon as I wrestle with its initrd thing. <jdong> Pici: it's a new and foreign nix :) <jdong> and I'm too distracted using apparmor to lock down Intel's stupid ipw3945d thing. <LjL> jdong: don't be sarcastic, i wasn't there when you started talking about this :P then again, is there a reason we absolutely *have* to work in userland? <jdong> LjL: no, there isn't. The reason we do it now is because it's simple and unintrusive <jdong> we intend to replace it with a nice kernel-based solution developed in SoC <jdong> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticBootAndApplicationPrefetchingSpec <jdong> spec. :) <LjL> jdong: and application prefetching? let's see. <jdong> LjL: apparently so :) <gnomefreak> what is the mediubuntu? <gnomefreak> is that the spelling? <jdong> gnomefreak: yes <LjL> jdong: uhm, only thing i'm dubious about is the "i'll hack something together to shuffle data on ext3". i think this is arguably *the* main issue, and should be dealt with at the core, by making ext3 provide a suitable interface <gnomefreak> jdong: ty <LjL> which you yesterday said is in progress <jdong> gnomefreak: it's like debian-marillat on Ubuntu <jdong> gnomefreak: restricted codecs, etc.... <LjL> gnomefreak: medibuntu <gnomefreak> jdong: yep :) <LjL> !medibuntu <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org <gnomefreak> i writing to the author atm and hate to missspell things <jdong> gnomefreak: it's my recommended place to get things like w32codecs, libdvdcss2, without automatix :) <jdong> and Lutin rocks :) <jdong> gnomefreak: are you pointing him to the Tech Board's analysis of automatix? <ubotu> In ubotu, wdh said: locobot is logs are found at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/, you will need to browse for your channel though. <gnomefreak> anyone know the old name for the canonical commericial <gnomefreak> repos <jdong> gnomefreak: feisty-commercial? that one? <gnomefreak> jdong: yes <jdong> on archive.canonical.com <gnomefreak> ah ty <jdong> http://archive.canonical.com/dists/ <jdong> it seems to be called "gutsy" for gutsy? <jdong> surely enough, "gutsy/partner" contains Opera... <LjL> http://netz.smurf.noris.de/logs/freenode/ is a 404 <LjL> hm <LjL> !-locobot <ubotu> locobot has no aliases - added by elkbuntu on 2006-12-04 14:09:50 <ubotu> In ubotu, wdh said: no, locobot is logs are found at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/, you will need to browse for your channel though. <gnomefreak> jdong: it does partner is the new name for it as of gutsy <LjL> !no locobot is <alias> logs <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL <jdong> gnomefreak: ah, ok, thanks <LjL> !no logs is <reply> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs - Logs for LoCo channels are at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL <LjL> !logs | wdh <ubotu> wdh: Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs - Logs for LoCo channels are at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ <wdh> LjL, thx <gnomefreak> ok wrote the email and blogged about the article and pasted the email i sent in the blog ;) <gnomefreak> should be on planet sometime today :) <Pici> Neat :) <jdong> LjL: oh btw, speaking of readahead, I wrote up a HOWTO on readahead'ing the login sequence: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=565651 <jdong> it's a tad hackish but yielded excellent results on my heavyweight startup <jdong> (40s -> 20s in optimal conditions, 40s->30s in worst) <Pici> Nice. <ikonia> use in #ubuntu with the nick "cumface" <nalioth> if it comes back with another stellar nick, we'll see <effie_jayx> heheh <BikOS> would like to ask about ubuntu a question, i have my bars on the desktop, they have disappered is there any way to enable them again manualy? <mneptok> Seveas: GONG <mneptok> BikOS: this is not a support channel. try #ubuntu <BikOS> i am here because i was redirected when i tried to join #ubuntu because i am on a web IRC client and thus i was considered useing a proxy, and i am not <BikOS> so forgive me <mneptok> 12:32 CTCP VERSION reply from BikOS: CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06) - http://cgiirc.sf.net/ <mneptok> that CGI33ec:265c:71fe:e26d:2682:4ec2:aaa1:99abIRC client is not allowed in #ubuntu. please use a different client. <BikOS> got a link for me? <BikOS> wait <mneptok> what OS? <BaKKaR> i am on ubuntu linux <mneptok> you can use GAIM/Pidgin <BaKKaR> i had xchat and kvirc but it won't start <BaKKaR> i had a bad upgrade to Gutsy or Gipsy and trying to recover <BaKKaR> ok <BaKKaR> now it works <BaKKaR> sorry <mneptok> there you go <mneptok> np * BaKKaR blushes <BaKKaR> see ya <BaKKaR> exit <mneptok> salaam <BaKKaR> salam :) <mneptok> chokhran :) <Pici> ookay <Seveas> mneptok, que? <mneptok> jebus. what timing. <mneptok> i was just about to unping. <LjL> jdong: problem with making login readahead standard would be... who knows if the user is going to log into gnome, kde, xfce, xfwordjce, or what? <jdong> LjL: each session script should at least have a readahead associated to it. <jdong> LjL: even slurping up all the data before booting the login session has a good benefit <jdong> a precache guess is a bonus but not the only benefit :) <LjL> jdong: yeah i'm thinking indeed of caching *before* the login begins <jdong> LjL: that can be a gamble on multiuser systems... However, if the login session script kills existing readahead attempts before trying to login, that's easily mediated. <jdong> the only thing you "lose" then is some battery life from extra disk activity <LjL> jdong: i think it'd be much better if we could just put the files in a contiguous fashion on the disk, and then just login normally... <LjL> the files should *really* be placed in the correct positions though <jdong> LjL: agreed -- there should be some sort of system-wide profiling that both (1) migrate frequently accessed files closer to beginning of filesystem (2) Group together files on disk by statistical correlation. <LjL> jdong: i think the latter would be much more effective than the former - though harder to achieve. as we were saying the other day: sure, the beginning of the disk can be twice as far than the end, but what does it matter, when 99% of the activity is seeks? <jdong> LjL: once #2 falls into place, the gains of #1 will be extremely significant. <jdong> 30% faster raw read on average? That's gonna be a big deal (tm) <LjL> jdong: probably, yeah. but what would be the difference between *before* #2 and after? probably more like 80% <jdong> LjL: agreed <jdong> LjL: #2 is a lot harder to accomplish though <jdong> LjL: and in the inner rings of a disk, even the seek times are faster.... <LjL> jdong: yes. but i think without #2, #1 is not really significant <LjL> hm, well then <jdong> a histogram of access counts is a LOT easier to do than statistical correlation and ordering of files :) <LjL> jdong: doesn't 'preload' do some sort of statistical correlation? <jdong> LjL: pretty horribly IMO :) Most of the times it is pretty far off. <jdong> LjL: mainly because it's costly to do false-alarms. <jdong> LjL: moving files around is a 1-time cost, preload is a cost at each execution. <LjL> jdong: yeah, but i was thinking of the statistics it takes, not of how it acts on them <jdong> LjL: right, it does try to do statistics. <jdong> new process launched -> files touched <LjL> jdong: anyway, i agree that doing all the statistics is hard if you want to do it for everything in the system <LjL> jdong: but if you just want to stat the time between login and, say, 1 minute after login, is it still that hard? <LjL> you basically just have to write a timestamp for each file opened - and any seeks <jdong> LjL: once a profiling mechanism is in the kernel (like the prefetch patches SoC) it will be extremely easy. <jdong> LjL: currently? next to impossible. Nasty calling inotify on like 1 million inodes :) <LjL> jdong: profiling *and* online shuffling of files on ext3... <jdong> LjL: right; both of which are already available in various patchsets <jdong> the ext4 folks have an online defrag API already <LjL> jdong: ext4 is quite far in the future, isn't it? is there anything that might make it into the linux trunk? <LjL> ... before the next decade? <jdong> LjL: well the patch works for ext3 all the same, ubuntu can merge it whenever they feel daring :) <jdong> LjL: the thing is, we're not exactly a daring distro :) <LjL> jdong: well if it's merged in Linux, not by Ubuntu, i think it'd be better. it's a filesystem with peope's data on it that we're talking about after all - and we're talking about moving those data around ;) <LjL> jdong: still weren't you saying that opensuse have the profiling part in the kernel already? <jdong> LjL: I havne't had the time to diff their kernel to find out for sure, but I am almost certain by the way the readahead touches the disk it's kernel-based <jdong> LjL: once we massively parallel our bootup, we could just set the disk scheduler to Anticipatory, then say wait 1 second before any seek, and that'll drastically reduce seeks :) <jdong> that's my hackishly sinful suggestion of the day. <nalioth> we ahve unauthorized logging going on: www.ircarc.com * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v gnomefreak] by ChanServ <nalioth> i just removed them from #ubuntu and #kubuntu <tonyyarusso> nalioth: who is it? <nalioth> i've banned it for now <nalioth> but check that site for more surprises <tonyyarusso> nalioth: this channel is on the list too <gnomefreak> what site? <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: http://www.ircarc.com/ <gnomefreak> ty * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+o nalioth] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+b *!*@800.716.0984] by nalioth * mode/#ubuntu-ops [-o nalioth] by nalioth * nalioth is about to start klining <gnomefreak> who is that? <nalioth> gnomefreak: that
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