#ubuntu-us-mi 2012-01-01 <brousch> ok, this ram thing in kde is annoying. i'm going to have to defile the macbook pro for 8GB <snap-l> g'evening <snap-l> rick_h__: Hahahahaha <snap-l> That video is awesome. <rick_h_droid> snapl :-) <brousch> he has some mad tumbling skills! <rick_h_droid> yea and daddy gets to play punching dummy <rick_h_droid> but yea, and very funny. He loves it <snap-l> Happy New Year, everyone. <tjagoda> Ohi, Happy New Year <greg-g> almost! <tjagoda> I'm upgrading to 12.04. <tjagoda> It seemedl like good karma to open this channel. <snap-l> tjagoda: Congratulations <snap-l> May the pre-alpha be half as stable as the LTS it needs to be. <tjagoda> I upgraded <tjagoda> The splash still stays 11.10 <tjagoda> This cannot be a good sign <snap-l> Theymight not have changed it yet <snap-l> so it'll say "Do you Ubuntu" or something <tjagoda> It looks very much the same as it did pre-upgrade <tjagoda> so much so that I question whether anything upgraded <tjagoda> Such is what I get for upgrades instead of clean installs I think <snap-l> heh <snap-l> OK, I'm old. Time to buffer off to bed. <snap-l> Laterness <tjagoda> Peas <rick_h__> morning and happy new year everyone <brousch> yessir <brousch> it would be even happier if you'd bring me some coffee <brousch> greg-g: i commented on your blog. I think digikam does what you want to do with your photos <rick_h__> brousch: yea, at the coffee shop myself this morning <rick_h__> while the wife and boy church it up...the daddy will hack on code <_stink_> heh, nice <brousch> 4 year old stayed up past midnight easily <brousch> wife and i fell asleep on the couch <rick_h__> heh, nice <brousch> oh boy "Happy New Year! Storm Team 8 is tracking a winter storm that will bring high winds, arctic cold and lake effect snow." <jrwren> lol @ upgrading to 12.04 and wondering why it doesn't look different. <snap-l> Howdy <snap-l> Happy New Year, Everyone! <brousch> time to blow up greg-g's blog <greg-g> brousch: :) thanks for the comment, you and nixternal might convice me to even try KDE/Kubuntu <greg-g> but, I think before I do that, I'll just switch over to awesome full time (since I'm not working right now) and use whatever apps fill my fancy <snap-l> Personally, I'm liking Shotwell. It does almost everything I need in a photo application, save for upload to Web Gallery <snap-l> which I've just taken to Picasa instead. <rick_h__> Blazeix: forking time, finally going to just build my own tag control <rick_h__> actually...@#$@# it. It'll take longer to fork this. Guess I'm just writing my own. <Blazeix> rick_h__: hah, have fun. are you going to make it sit on top of the YUI infrastructure? <rick_h__> Blazeix: yea, using their Widget infrastructure <rick_h__> it's got the hooks/events stuff to save some time, and handlebars built in for templating <rick_h__> but honestly...we'll see. Now that I have a clean slate long way to go lol <snap-l> Somtimes you've just gotta say "FORK IT" #ubuntu-us-mi 2012-01-02 <_stink_> we need a t-shirt with an angry face saying "FORK IT" <_stink_> but i can't decide whose face it should be <rick_h__> I'd buy one that has the "all the things" meme in it <rick_h__> http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3560z9/ <snap-l> Hah! <snap-l> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0049B3YQI/ref=as_li_ss_til?tag=decafbadnet-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as4&creativeASIN=B0049B3YQI&adid=0WX6Z4RWD774NABSMFX0& <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MofYoqZzXDw <snap-l> It's like a workout for drummers. ;) <rick_h__> nice <snap-l> yeah, I was looking to get a practice pad anyway. Might as well get some sticks and a DVD to go with it. ;) <snap-l> Wow, just freaked myself out. Managed to drop the laptop from a height <snap-l> At least it appears to be working. :) <snap-l> panic <snap-l> Although I think I left it suspended from WEdnesday, because the battery is deader than a doornail <_stink_> you suspended it from Wednesday? no wonder it fell <_stink_> (hi-hat please) <snap-l> Um, yeah <snap-l> total causality. <snap-l> http://www.metalinjection.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/35kdrz-604x406.jpg <snap-l> Gid moaning. <wolfger2> whassup? <snap-l> Not much <snap-l> Just getting ready to go shopping <snap-l> http://www.jwz.org/blog/2011/12/2011-music-wrap-up-and-mixtape-107/ <- Watching / listening to this <rick_h__> ugh, back from shopping. <snap-l> rick_h__: wb <rick_h__> now to see how much hacking can be done during nap time <snap-l> finding I'm not going to be making it all through this mixtape <wolfger2> why not? <wolfger2> Installation's done. Time to reboot. BRB <snap-l> Wolfger: too concentrated of a specific form of music. :) <wolfger_> Using Rekonq as my browser and... not hating it! <wolfger_> browser open, twitter client open, irc client open, konsole open, and <700 MB of RAM used. I'm starting to think KDE's always gotten a bad rap about being a resource hog due to 3rd-party apps. :-p <jrwren> snap-l: where is your new job? <brousch> jrwren: remember where rick_h__ used to work? <brousch> Wolfger: my biggest ram hog in KDE is digikam <brousch> 1.7GB <rick_h__> good grief, my whole system is 1.6 and that's with multiple chrome and firefox running <brousch> so fire up your favorite photo management suite with 56,000 photos and see what happens ;) * rick_h__ hits # ls -al **/* <rick_h__> done :P <snap-l> Howdy <snap-l> back from Great Lakes Crossing <snap-l> or as I call it, hell in the round. <brousch> snap-l: big day tomorrow? <snap-l> brousch: Yep <snap-l> This is when I really find out what rick_h__ did <snap-l> ;) <rick_h__> hah <rick_h__> "oh...he made a big deal out of *that*?" <greg-g> rick_h_droid: har har (re ls -al **/*) <rick_h_droid> greg-g :) #ubuntu-us-mi 2012-01-03 <rick_h__> phew, bed time == hack time <rick_h__> Blazeix: you going to be at CHC wed? <rick_h__> Blazeix: if so, care to block out time for code review/css help in getting the control pretty? <Blazeix> rick_h__: yeah, I should be there. sounds fun :) <jjesse> evening <jjesse> everyone having fun? <snap-l> jjesse: totally. <jjesse> yay <snap-l> Yourself? <jjesse> i think so, trying to get the new year started after being off for a week and then spending all day driving <snap-l> Ugh, that's no fun. <tjagoda> Ohi <snap-l> Hey tjagoda <tjagoda> tjagoda is not prepared to return to work from vacation tomorrow <snap-l> I can imagine <snap-l> I'm not ready to return to an office. <tjagoda> Trainin on EDI for the new ERP the next three days <tjagoda> Training* <tjagoda> Need to learn Oracle plSQL <snap-l> Lucky you <snap-l> Hope you remember your basntardized Pascal <tjagoda> Combining Procedural language with SQL just sounds painful <snap-l> From what I remembered of PLSQL, I didn't quite see the point of not using Perl externally from the database. <tjagoda> I am forced to use plSQL from inside the ERP application <tjagoda> ='( <snap-l> WEll, it could be worse. <snap-l> (Actually, who am I kidding? It's pretty bad. ;) ) <snap-l> (kidding) <snap-l> (mostly) <tjagoda> Hopefully I will not have to bombard you with PLSQL inquiries =P <snap-l> I've forgotten more PL/SQL than I ever learned. <tjagoda> "Remember years ago when you used this under duress?" <snap-l> then spending all day â lotia_ <snap-l> Well, that was entertaining <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PL/SQL <snap-l> Let's try that again. <tjagoda> lolz <snap-l> Frankly, it was a godsend when they embedded Java in Oracle <snap-l> and I don't say that lightly. <tjagoda> I have roughly 30ish days to learn EDI and plSQL and then program 33 EDI transaction sets <tjagoda> Well <tjagoda> 33 trading partners <tjagoda> each with multiple sets <snap-l> tjagoda: You can pick up PL/SQL in less than a week <snap-l> It's just not fun to code in. <tjagoda> From what I saw on the wiki when I reviewed it the other day it looks human readable just like vanilla SQL <snap-l> It's essentially Pascal <tjagoda> Let me just climb into my time capsual <tjagoda> And visit the days of pascalian glory <rick_h__> morning party people <Wolfger> morning. Holy crap, tjagoda came back last night? <rick_h__> I really do need to leave myself some better notes when I leave a project for a week <rick_h__> Wolfger: yea, I was floored. I hadn't seen him in a while <Wolfger> Hadn't heard from him here or on the Penguicon list save for a recent announcement that he was withdrawing as con chair due to lack of time for it. <rick_h__> ouch <Wolfger> Need to fire up Kubuntu from the hotel tonight, but it looks like my fresh install over the weekend may have cured my wifi issues. Connection from home seemed to be rock solid. <rick_h__> nice <snap-l> g'morning <rick_h__> morning, you hitting orientation fun? :) <rick_h__> get your buddy and all that business :P <snap-l> Not until after 9:30, but thanks for the anxiety. ;) <rick_h__> hah <Wolfger> Just shave your head and rant a lot. You'll be a perfect replacement for rick_h__ :-) <rick_h__> definitely helps with a shaven head...you seem a bit scarier in that corp building <snap-l> I'll need all the scary I can muster up. ;) <brousch> gonna kick ass and takes names? <Wolfger> chew bubblegum <snap-l> brousch: We shall see <tjagoda> Somebody remind me what I was working on before the holidays? <Wolfger> Penguicon <Wolfger> :-) <Wolfger> and "avoiding IRC" <tjagoda> I actually resigned from Penguicon <Wolfger> welcome back, by the way <tjagoda> as I was both doing a poor job at PR and too busy at work <tjagoda> avoiding IRC is totes legit though <Wolfger> Yeah, I saw the notice about you resigning con chair. That's why I said you were working on it before the holidays. <brousch> tjagoda: you have not been on much lately so i'm afraid we can't help you there <tjagoda> Not enough coffee in these veins to interpret the lulz * tjagoda fixes this <tjagoda> I upgraded to alpha 1 on my laptop Saturday <tjagoda> Had to check the sources file to see if it actually upgraded because everything looks the same. <Wolfger> woot! <tjagoda> I didn't even get a new splash screen! <tjagoda> /heartbroken <Wolfger> Yeah, I think the very first alpha version is like "the current stable with a few files updated" <tjagoda> Ironically <tjagoda> more stable than my stable <Wolfger> give it 30 days. It'll change a lot <tjagoda> 11.10 does random hard locks on me for reasons I have not been able to deduce <tjagoda> 12.04 alpha 1 has so far not done so <Wolfger> more stable than stable? Great. Now I have Rob Zombie in my head... <tjagoda> My aversion to musics cures me from this problem <tjagoda> afk phone repair <Wolfger> German grammar just blows my mind sometimes, as I do word for word translations: "Can you me please another napkin bring?" <Wolfger> p.se is starting to look respectable... http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/46716/what-should-every-programmer-know-about-web-development <tjagoda> So when they painted the walls of the shop, they painted over an RJ11 junction box <tjagoda> Turns out paint slowly destroys the ability of those little RJ tabs to keep the plug secured <brousch> duck tape <tjagoda> Also turns out that white paint camouflages plugs from my eyes <tjagoda> I just eliminated the junction with those little button splicing connectors <tjagoda> PAINT THIS MOTHEREFFERS <brousch> tjagoda: I am disappointed with my new local Tim Hortons. Their breakfast sandwiches are very bland. Who in Canada can I contact about this? <ColonelPanic001> anyone <ColonelPanic001> All Canadians are valid recipients of complaints <ColonelPanic001> Partial ownership of the company comes with citizenship <tjagoda> bland? <tjagoda> You must be too far away from the mothership. <tjagoda> See snap-l and his theory about Tim Hortons quality being directly proportional to the Canadian Border's proximity <brousch> he may be right <tjagoda> Just spent an egregious amount of money at O'Reilly as I noticed they had a buy 2 get one free sales. <tjagoda> sale* <Wolfger> heh <Wolfger> "honey, look how much money I saved!" <Wolfger> "If your paycheck was bigger, I could have saved even more!" <tjagoda> I wanted to just buy a PLsql book <tjagoda> then I ended up buying a PLsql book and some Junos security books <tjagoda> Damn you, marketers. =( <rick_h__> LOTD https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/183595 <brousch> w <brousch> t <brousch> f <tjagoda> tl;dr <tjagoda> I read the part in the middle where he called microsoft for help with is linux <tjagoda> trololololol <_stink_> ... <_stink_> wow <rick_h__> yea, so part of my job is to spend time going through LP support stuff, questions/etc. That's my intro one today <rick_h__> I'm not even sure what to say... <brousch> A: Please impale yourself on a rusty fencepost. <brousch> i'm not even sure if he's running debian, windows, ubuntu, or kubuntu <Wolfger> rick_h__: that's the biggest wtf I've seen in a while <rick_h__> Wolfger: ok, glad it wasn't just me <Wolfger> I'm inclined to copy and paste it to p.se <Wolfger> just for the lulz <rick_h__> I wasn't sure if I should post it...but it's really some quality work <rick_h__> no, don't mean to spread things like that <rick_h__> more for the private logged audience here :) <Wolfger> :) <Wolfger> I love that it's a question for "Launchpad" <Wolfger> No asignee yet... Who do you not like that you can assign it to? ;-) <brousch> jcastro can clean it up <brousch> i think they're testing you <brousch> to see how you handle a meth-addled troll <jcastro> heh <Wolfger> brousch: +1 on the jcastro idea <tjagoda> where does rick_h work now? <tjagoda> ubuntu? <brousch> well, canonical <rick_h__> tjagoda: launchpad team at canonical <brousch> he's our newest whipping boy <rick_h__> wheeee <tjagoda> lulz <tjagoda> Hows the experience? <tjagoda> Does Mark Shuttleworth personally demand you be business casual even in the confines of your own home? <rick_h__> it's a bit crazy. LP is BIIIIIIIG <brousch> i imagine him wearing a nicely pressed shirt and tie with boxer-briefs and crocks <rick_h__> heh, no idea <_stink_> brousch: stop stealing my fantasies <brousch> _stink_: stop sharing them as anonymous coward on slashdot <_stink_> :O <rick_h__> heh http://sourceforge.net/blog/mirror/ <brousch> fascinating <rick_h__> jcastro: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/abmgjcmmphkhndoahbfanhbgeekconmm <rick_h__> are you using something else for your gmail templates and such? <jcastro> I only use the sig templates <jcastro> which are built in <rick_h__> ah, ok <rick_h__> I'm getting sick of re typing LP templates and such. Might be cool for AskUbuntu stuff <jcastro> yeah <jcastro> there's a labs one that does this <jcastro> http://stackapps.com/questions/2116/autoreviewcomments-pro-forma-comments-for-se <jcastro> is what I use for AU <jcastro> http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/1323/what-prewritten-comments-can-we-use-and-share <jcastro> with those <rick_h__> ah nice <greg-g> g'morn <rick_h__> howdy greg-g <rick_h__> Blazeix: this seems pretty sweet http://coreygoldberg.blogspot.com/2012/01/officially-introducing-sst-python-web.html <nullspace> yawn <rick_h__> pretty much <nullspace> huh, so rick_h__ your in bham? <rick_h__> bham? <nullspace> rick_h__62 was coming from brhmmi.sbcglobal.net <rick_h__> ah, on the cell <nullspace> interesting <rick_h__> well, the 4g mifi <Wolfger> nullspace == stalker? <greg-g> Wolfger: just another name for a lurker <jcastro> greg-g: 2 new questions in one day! <greg-g> jcastro: I know! <greg-g> jcastro: Shotwell is frustrating to me :/ <jcastro> the devs monitor their tag <jcastro> so you should get answers soon <greg-g> awesome <jcastro> keep em coming! <greg-g> I'm also like 1 mile away from their office, so if they don't answer, I can go have a talking to with them :) <jcastro> they're awesome guys <jcastro> I wonder how they are doing <jcastro> it's really just google millionaire gets bored, starts company, heh <jcastro> I am glad he's investing in free software though, unf. <greg-g> yeah, definitely awesome exit strategy * greg-g dreams <greg-g> oh non-profit work, how I love/hate you <greg-g> jcastro: man, they are quick, eric answered both questions already :) <jcastro> when your question is written well it's faster than IRC <greg-g> I'll take that as a compliment :) <jcastro> I am starting to be convinced that the internet actually hinders people from communicating <jcastro> like, read any youtube comment <Wolfger> iz can haz problems wif my wifi. HALP PLZ!!!! <jcastro> indeed <nullspace> greg-g: I'd hardly call myself a lurker, but hey I barely talk in IRC, work needs to get done <jcastro> greg-g: EDIT is my latest target <jcastro> https://plus.google.com/b/107921963368679288414/107921963368679288414/posts/dXvjwXRnvSC <nullspace> I recall an onion report saying that the internet went down for a day and in related news work productivty went up 30% <Wolfger> lulz <Wolfger> I think it's funny how people don't believe employees wasted time pre-internet <nullspace> there are plenty of people that waste time and barely understand how to use their computer <Wolfger> Some people waste their time and mine just by trying to do their job and failing :-p <Wolfger> Oops, sorry. Too curmudgeonly? <Wolfger> I'm alternately embracing and avoiding becoming a grumpy old man. <snap-1> Hello, world. <snap-1> I have confirmed once again that I am not that bright <snap-1> Generated a private key on another machine, so it can't be decoded properly. <snap-1> so I can't get into the home machine. <snap-1> <- Stupid. <rick_h__> doh <rick_h__> well welcome online <rick_h__> get your machine up and running then? <snap-1> Thanks. Good to be back <snap-1> no, that's the other dim-bulb move <snap-1> created a 386 stick, not a 64 bit stick <rick_h__> oops <snap-1> so I'm waiting for the download. <snap-1> At least I brought two sticks. <brousch> see why keys drive me nuts? <rick_h__> there you go, what are you downloading/running on? <brousch> give me passwords <rick_h__> brousch: SHUSH <snap-1> brousch: Folks can guess passwords <snap-1> they have a harder time guessing 2048 bit keys. <brousch> that is true <snap-1> I'm running on the 386 stick <rick_h__> keys > * <rick_h__> It took me forever to talk people at morpace to use them more <snap-1> Gave myself 3GB to run on <snap-1> Seriously, keys are a godsend <brousch> keys are so big you can't even remember them when you need them <rick_h__> ? 3gb to run on? <snap-1> except when you do stupid things with them <snap-1> 3GB od free disk space on a 4GB key. <rick_h__> ah, gotcha. So you're running on a live usb setup <snap-1> Yeah, don't leave home without it. <brousch> Kubuntu 11.10 runs very well on my MBP. It even picked up the sound , video, and wifi drivers automagically. I had to manually cram them in last time I tried this. <brousch> bravo ubuntu! <brousch> now i just need my pretty blue kubuntu stickers to show up so i can cover over than glowing apple <devinheitmueller> A user's Ubuntu install worked with his/her hardware out of the box!?!?!? It's a Christmas miracle! <devinheitmueller> :-) <brousch> the miracle is that it worked with apple hardware oob <devinheitmueller> Oh, check the ubuntu macbook page though. On some of the Macbook pros, it appears to work but the fans are properly enabled (so you'll burn out the hardware) <devinheitmueller> s/are/aren't/ <brousch> yikes <devinheitmueller> brousch: you might be ok, but I would definitely check that page before concluding success. <devinheitmueller> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages <brousch> hm, lucid seems to be the last release https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro5-5/Lucid <brousch> thanks for the tip <devinheitmueller> np <devinheitmueller> If you figure out your status, you should feel free to update the wiki with the latest findings. <brousch> how would i know if the fans are working? fire up eclipse and see if it melts? <devinheitmueller> pretty much. <devinheitmueller> Compile the kernel and see if you hear/feel the fans kick in. #ubuntu-us-mi 2012-01-04 * wolfger_ pokes the channel * rick_h__ stabs back <wolfger_> hey rick_h__, where's the "report a bug" link on LP? I always have a devil of a time finding it <wolfger_> You would think it would be in plain sight on the bugs.launchpad.net page <rick_h__> wolfger_: it's on the ride side <rick_h__> always in the column on the right <rick_h__> wolfger_: the trick is that bugs.lp.net is just a landing page, you have to submit the bug to a specific project <rick_h__> so always include the /xxxx <rick_h__> so bugs.lp.net/launchpad or bugs.lp.net/sendoff etc <wolfger_> got it. Thanks! <rick_h__> np <wolfger_> Woot. First bug filed in I don't know how long. <wolfger_> Wait.... am I actually happy I just got bit by a bug? :-p <tjagoda> The only bugs I file come from that auto popup which does all the work for me. <snap-l> Evening <wolfger_> tjagoda <-- lazy <tjagoda> I feel undereducated at manually reporting bugs <tjagoda> Like when I used to have to manually pick the package? Oh god. <wolfger_> so if anybody cares to install python-wxglade and comment on the bug... It segfaults on me. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wxglade/+bug/911554 <tjagoda> I am very glad I did not participate in alphas before I had cable <wolfger_> lulz -> http://goo.gl/nrT7b <wolfger_> tl;dr "swap is slow, so I'm going to use my RAM as a swap partition" <tjagoda> I know a guy who uses a ramdisk to host a minecraft server. <wolfger_> now that makes sense <jrwren> lol <brousch> snap-l: you geekered me <snap-l> brousch: Eh? <snap-l> Not sure what that means. <snap-l> Actually, using RAM for tmp makes sense <snap-l> but not for swap. That's just asking for trouble. <brousch> the kubuntu CDs you sent are 32bit, but they don't say that anywhere <brousch> not really your fault ;) <brousch> so i have to download 64bit and reinstall <snap-l> I'd assume that anything on CD is 32 bit, since that's the recommended variant. <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, I had to download the 64 bit alternate install for my work machine <snap-l> Creating a USB stick via a USB stick is, entertaining. <jrwren> why is 32bit recommended? <snap-l> jrwren: Honestly, I have no idea <snap-l> I think they figure it's backward-compatible, so if someone tries it in their 2006 era machine, it'll just work. <snap-l> instead of giving some cryptic incompatibilitiy message. <brousch> snap-l: so how was the first day? <snap-l> brousch: Had a good lunch, filled out some paperwork, and reinstalled Alternate Ubuntu too many times to try to sort out software RAID. <brousch> heh <snap-l> tomorrow should be more fine-tuning <snap-l> Having to get acclimated to an office again <jjesse__> is that code for you forgot to wear pants to work today? <snap-l> Speaking of which, going to hit the hay. <snap-l> jjesse__: No, fortunately I have pants <snap-l> just haven't worn them in a long while. ;) <snap-l> Hopefully I'll be able to ssh into my home machine, or I'll be rather upset. <jjesse> you figured out your key problem right? <snap-l> jjesse: Yeah, the problem was I created the pub/private key here <snap-l> and not on the destination machine <snap-l> I think it's sorted now <snap-l> I'll find out tomorrow for certain, though. ;) <snap-l> Anywho, g'night, everyone. See you in the morning. :) <jrwren> snap-l: http://annarbor.craigslist.org/sys/2746924098.html <jrwren> snap-l: http://annarbor.craigslist.org/sys/2759268167.html <jrwren> snap-l: http://annarbor.craigslist.org/sys/2759280299.html <wolfger_> jrwren: 32-bit is recommended because it works better. Case in point: my wifi now works flawlessly (after reformatting a fubar 64-bit install and putting 32-bit in) <Wolfger> Good morning party people <snap-l> jrwren: The only thing in that lot that I'd be interested in is the Percom Happy Drive for the Atari. ;) <snap-l> Bah, that's no the Happy drive. but still... <rick_h__> morning <snap-l> Morning <Wolfger> Happy Drive? <Wolfger> Do you have to bend your 5.25" floppy to get it inserted into the smiley-face slot? <nullspace> morning all <rick_h__> party party <snap-l> Wolfger: No, not really. ;) <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Computers <tjagoda> howdy <rick_h__> tjagoda: multiple days in a row? <tjagoda> Consider it a belated Christmas present! <snap-l> huzzah! <Wolfger> His Blackberry must be on the fritz ;-) <rick_h__> oh man, we owe tjagoda so much blackberry fun <snap-l> Speaking of BB, apparently the Playbook is on clearance. <snap-l> $400 off <rick_h__> back taxes so to say <snap-l> That almost puts it within give-a-damn range. <nullspace> you can apperently run some android apps on it <tjagoda> Not yet you cant <tjagoda> =( <nullspace> but seeing as it lacks an SD reader it doesn't exist to me <tjagoda> That patch has been in limbo for like 8000 years <nullspace> tjagoda: if you root it I heard you could <Wolfger> Somebody still uses SD? <tjagoda> I actually love the Blackberry OS on it <nullspace> yeah my SLR does <tjagoda> what it does, it does very well <Wolfger> nullspace: that's what USB cables are for... <tjagoda> they've just been really really slow at patching more features into it <nullspace> Wolfger: I have this image of your house looking like the borg took it over <nullspace> I hates cables and dongles <snap-l> nullspace: I hate latency. :) <snap-l> That said, if I can make something wireless without too much trouble, I will <snap-l> (too much trouble == mice, computers in other rooms with no obvious drops, etc) <nullspace> not sure how taking a sd card out of a slr and dropping it into a tablet has anything to latency <Wolfger> nullspace: I try to get everything on one cable. Micro-USB. So far my work cell, personal cell, and Kindle all use it. And I rarely need more than one device plugged in at a time. <Wolfger> when I get a new camera, I'll look for a camera that takes micro USB too. <tjagoda> All my blackberry stuff uses Mini USB <brousch> i just dropbox things to my phone and nookcolor <snap-l> nullspace: Um, why would you want to take photos from a SLR and put them in a tablet? <tjagoda> I live on Mini USB <Wolfger> One cable to rule them all, one cable to bind them <nullspace> not sure why anyone would want to plug their camera into their laptop <snap-l> nullspace: Because it's their primary machine? :) <snap-l> not everyone lives on beige boxes <tjagoda> the planet revolves around my lap/desktop <nullspace> snap-l: to see if I need to retake them, the lcd on a slr is tiny and someit's hard to tell if it's in focus <snap-l> or some painted version thereof. <nullspace> snap-l: take the card out of the camera, saves battery <snap-l> nullspace: I'd trust a laptop screen over a tablet screen <nullspace> I'm poor and <nullspace> I still have a 5lb laptop <brousch> how about one of those eyefi things? <Wolfger> snap-l: even a tablet with Retina (R) Display? ;-) <rick_h__> they still make mini usb? <snap-l> Ye gads, that's hardly ideal. :) <tjagoda> I want to punch people in the face here when they complain about the weight of their 17 inch laptops <tjagoda> NO CRAP DUDE <nullspace> I trust a RAID 5 over a single drive but I'm not carrying one around <snap-l> Wolfger: Especially a tablet with retina display. <nullspace> snap-l: you have your ideals and I have mine <snap-l> mine are better. :) <nullspace> also there is no built in sd port in my laptop <snap-l> nullspace: Ouch, what monstrosity are you carrying? <nullspace> 1024x768 vs 1440x900 not really that big of a diff there <snap-l> Even my lowly Thinkpad X120E has a SD slot <nullspace> snap-l: yeah I have a mortage to pay so I still have my t61 <nullspace> a laptop upgrade is likely not going to happen even if this dies <snap-l> I could loan you a Sandisk SD USB reader. <snap-l> They're pretty handy, IMHO <nullspace> I have usb SD readers <nullspace> it's just another thing to carry <snap-l> Yeah, I guess. <tjagoda> I just carry a mobile darkroom with me when I need to take pictures. <nullspace> tjagoda: still using film eh? <rick_h__> http://t.co/qN3XS9k7www.youtube.com/watch?v=ginQNMiRu2w is really cool <rick_h__> <3 the music part since I'm a Zimmer fan and have the soundtrack <nullspace> what's this video of? <rick_h__> the creator of inception about the movie @Google <tjagoda> I just spent $600 on college textbooks. <tjagoda> =( <rick_h__> ouch, I remember those days <Wolfger> ugh <brousch> tjagoda: what are you studying? <tjagoda> Four classes <snap-l> tjagoda: Ouch. <tjagoda> Its the semester of hell <tjagoda> Java programming, Calculus for Business Applications, Management & Leadership, and Organizational Psychology <tjagoda> I dread the calculus. <snap-l> I had no end of troubl ewith Calculus. Have you taken Physics? <rick_h__> calc wasn't bad, calc 2 threw me for a bit though <snap-l> yeah, I squeaked by in Calc 2 <Wolfger> calc sucked <Wolfger> but when I took Technical Calculus, I think I got a B+ or an A... It was much easier to grasp <brousch> calc is a big reason i have an anthropology degree <snap-l> brousch: hah <nullspace> calc2 is weed out class IIRC <nullspace> calc 3 was justa bitch, hyperbolic sine integration <tjagoda> I have no use to this maths. <tjagoda> Hopefully its like my last math class with a lazy professor that gives A's on everything <rick_h__> meh, even my wife did calc I for non-match majors. And she can't do math <rick_h__> I mean...doing 48/6 is like watching a 386 do factorials <tjagoda> http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=1290628 <tjagoda> That is encouraging <tjagoda> I like when I get professors used to teaching the lower newbie maths <tjagoda> because it means they're conditioned to be incredibly forgiving <tjagoda> "Great teacher. you have to be a complete retard to fail his class." <tjagoda> CHALLENGE ACCEPTED. <nullspace> nice, I think I've manged to totally hose my audio <nullspace> fing pulse audio <tjagoda> My audio likes to crackle in ubuntu. <tjagoda> It doesn't wake up from powersave correctly. <nullspace> I thought you had a system76 <brousch> my audio is perfect on this latitude d630 <tjagoda> Even on the system76 it sometimes happens <nullspace> so who is running 12.04 beta? <nullspace> I'm disenchanted with 11.10 <jcastro> me <jcastro> but it's not much different from 11.10 <brousch> 11.10 r0x <brousch> kubuntu <brousch> except for the crazy ram usage <tjagoda> Nobody, because 12.04 beta doesn't exist ;D <tjagoda> Alpha 1 ftw <tjagoda> But yeah, 11.10 is not happytimes <tjagoda> Hard locks my system at random intervals. <nullspace> I'm running xfce on the main box, and gnome/unity on the lappy. I've given unity a second chance and I am not a fan <tjagoda> I want to rewind to gnome 2.2 <tjagoda> Not so much a fan of this unified user interface trend <nullspace> nah xfce with nautilius <jcastro> hah <tjagoda> Gnome 2.2 made sense to me because of my years of errant conditioning <brousch> i set up my kde panels just like gnome 2. it's a beautiful thing <tjagoda> Although unity seems like its improving, I'll give it that <nullspace> though I am intriuged by the work on features with pulse audio that were removed in 11.10 <tjagoda> Definitely better than the terror that is Gnome 3 <tjagoda> I just miss my top panel with always there buttons and the old school windows style trays <brousch> my problem with xfce is that it would not suspend and coming out of hibernate took like 5 minutes <tjagoda> This is probably where I shout get off my lawn <tjagoda> I hate you brousch. <tjagoda> rodriguezcrystal@example.org. <brousch> why for? <tjagoda> Do you have any idea how long I've maintained an anti-KDE diplomatic dispute with Wolfger?! =P <nullspace> jcastro: any idea if there are going to bring back the pulse audio remote server feature? <nullspace> I know it was horrible but curious if they see any hope <jcastro> what's the remote server feature? <brousch> tjagoda: i also used to consider it a jumbled mess <nullspace> basically one machine could pipe audio to another machine <jcastro> oh <jcastro> that's there <jcastro> are you sure you're not missing a package? <jcastro> I just set that up the other day <nullspace> really? <jcastro> yeah <nullspace> what doc did you follow? <jcastro> is the paprefs installed <jcastro> but greyed out? <nullspace> yeah <jcastro> oh dude <jcastro> one sec <jcastro> I just found out why <brousch> tjagoda: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/snapshot10.png <nullspace> though I made some changes to un grey out the features <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/paprefs/+bug/829051 <jcastro> it's a symlink <nullspace> yeah I did that <jcastro> it was fixed <jcastro> and then broke again <jcastro> and then no body changed the bug back to "it's broken" <jcastro> #24 is what worked for me <tjagoda> brousch: that is beauty <nullspace> but I can't install padevchooser <tjagoda> I like the bottom panel. <tjagoda> A bottom panel like that is what I miss most from unity. <nullspace> how am I suppose to select a sound server <tjagoda> brousch: what KDE version is that? <jcastro> in the sound settings <jcastro> the server just shows up as an output device. <brousch> tjagoda: whatever is in 11.10. i spent about 30 mins adding panels and moving stuff where it should be <tjagoda> I wonder if it will hardlock and crash less on the kubuntu side of the pond. <nullspace> jcastro: will it only work in 12.04 ? <jcastro> I tested it in 12.04 but it's the same as in 11.10 <jcastro> that dropdown has been there for like 2 years <nullspace> hmm nothing popping up on the output <jcastro> ping me later and I'll bring my laptop out <jcastro> gotta get this stuff finished today <brousch> tjagoda: i have had one crash in the last two or three weeks i've been running this. my big problem is that i keep running out of ram despite having 4GB. firefox and chrome seem to use more ram under kde. <tjagoda> I think I have 6GB in the lappy at home <tjagoda> I like that swtiching between desktop environments is as (theoretically) simple as apt-get <brousch> i currently have unity, gnome shell, kubuntu, and xubuntu on here <Wolfger> tjagoda: welcome to the K side :-) <Wolfger> brousch: You should make your KDE config accessible. I like your setup. <brousch> how do i do that? <tjagoda> You have to use force lightning, and gain dark side points <tjagoda> =( <brousch> is that some game reference? <Wolfger> brousch: I dunno. I was hoping you'd know <brousch> :P <Wolfger> Maybe I'll look around in ~/.kde tonight and see if I can figure out what file you need to send me :-) <nullspace> I got pax11publish to push audio to the server <Wolfger> Huh... downvoting on AskUbuntu decreases your own reputation? <snap-l> It can <Wolfger> I kinda like that, actually. Make people think before they bash. <nullspace> sounds like it's recompressing to audio and lowering the bitrate...gah <krondor> brousch: makes sense that chrome and FF would use more ram, GTK libraries. <brousch> but i have pidgin, chrome, and FF running. wouldn't they share libraries? <krondor> they should share, but do you see anything odd in FF when you do about:memory ? <brousch> it is all odd since i have never looked at it <brousch> vsize is 1.4GB <krondor> what's resident? <krondor> vsize includes shared memory maps <krondor> resident is what only FF is using <brousch> 366MB <brousch> i have half a dozen pages open <krondor> doesn't sound bad, I'm at 450MB with 15 tabs in Unity at the moment. <krondor> chrome://memory-redirect will give you similar details <krondor> You'll want to note the Memory: Private column. <brousch> 862MB <brousch> geez, gmail is using 212MB by itself <brousch> google reader 172 <tjagoda> brousch: Opinions on new gmail interface? <brousch> i don't mind it in compact mode <krondor> yeah some websites are heavier hitters than others by far <krondor> I kind of like the new gmail interface, but only in compact mode.. too much whitespace otherwise <snap-l> What's the current wisdom for setting up dual monitors for nvidia cards? <snap-l> ie: do I save an xorg.conf file or not? <rick_h__> don't they have a fancy app for that? <krondor> nvidia-settings apps <krondor> I usually end up hand editing because my laptop gpu sucks and is super picky on docking/undocking with dual monitor. <snap-l> They do, but if I save the xorg.conf file, it gets pissy with me. <Wolfger> New Gmail is larger than old Gmail, even in "compact mode". Too much wasted space. <tjagoda> agree <tjagoda> http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/246826/as_2012_dawns_mint_leads_the_list_of_top_linux_distros.html <tjagoda> Didn't know Mint has passed up Ubuntu in the top distrowatch <tjagoda> ...who do we have to kill? <rick_h__> tjagoda: heh, so it was found that it was scripted <rick_h__> I believe <rick_h__> it's purely based on hits to the page and that's easy to automate <tjagoda> ahhhh <rick_h__> not that I'm biased or anything :) * Wolfger plots to script up a Gentoo victory <tjagoda> I plan to make a blank page the top linux distro. <tjagoda> =P <widox_> krondor: do you have an automated way to switch monitor configs when docking/undocking? <widox_> I currently use the nvidia tool, but I hvae to re-do everything I un/dock <widox_> evertime* <nullspace> widox: any luck with xrandr? <widox> nullspace: negative, doesn't want to work with nvidia <nullspace> sucks <tjagoda> I think krondor said he just manually edits files <snap-l> gah, having trouble with Google Chrome's launcher. <rick_h__> snap-l: chrome's launcher? <snap-l> Unity <snap-l> Doesn't seem to want to fire up Chrome <rick_h__> oh <Wolfger> does it launch from cli ok? <snap-l> Yeah, it's fine otherwise. <Wolfger> Diagnosis: Unity sucks. :-) <Wolfger> or possibly you just need to fix the properties on the launcher <snap-l> Yeah, it's possible. <Wolfger> Solution: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop <snap-l> sudo apt-get autoremove wolfger && sudo apt-get install syncophant <Wolfger> sudo apt-get purge work-day && sudo apt-get install nap-time <snap-l> works for me. <snap-l> I wish there was a cheat code for unlimited wealth like The Sims. :) <Wolfger> ++ <Wolfger> was just discussing winning lotto tickets with a buddy of mine who works at Warren Truck. We both agreed that telling anybody you won is just a bad idea... <Wolfger> I said "all anybody will know is that I no longer work for Chrysler. I'll be a freelance programmer, or maybe open a brewpub." <Wolfger> and of course by "freelance programmer", I really mean "unemployed and tinkering on FOSS projects" <rick_h__> crazy cool http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/938 <snap-l> Very nice <snap-l> I hope this is a first in a very long line of exceedingly well-tested releases. <rick_h__> http://www.singleservecoffee.com/archives/039337.php kind of cool <rick_h__> I need to get some for me, the wife is using them all the time <krondor> widox: nope unfortuantely * krondor can't type <Wolfger> Good stuff from Shuttleworth. Of course, when he talks about quality like that, it just seems so obvious that I can only think "why hasn't it always been like this?" <Wolfger> The weather report is a nifty idea... https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/ <snap-l> Wolfger: Well, likely because the tools finally matured <Wolfger> coffee joulies? Hmm... not sure about that idea. <rick_h__> Wolfger: you ever setup a CI environment and write tests for all your code? <rick_h__> and then do it for a ton of projects? that's why it's not been done before <jcastro> rick_h__: I got a fitbit <jcastro> get one <jcastro> I need a "stop being fat jorge" buddy <rick_h__> jcastro: yea? I was looking at them but wasn't sure on the linux story <rick_h__> I wanted to get some sort of gps/heart rate thingy for workouts <rick_h__> jcastro: they don't work wireless right? <Wolfger> rick_h__: Nope, I haven't. I'm just saying, the way Shuttleworth talks about it, it sounds like a no-brainer. I'm sure it's much more difficult to do than he makes it sound. <jcastro> Wolfger: it's never been like that because no one has done it before to the scale we are <jcastro> rick_h__: it does, to the wireless base <jcastro> rick_h__: only gotcha is win/osx for the base, but jono's in contact with them and they say they're working on the linux support <jcastro> Wolfger: and it's also brutally expensive <rick_h__> yea, I don't have anything non-linux these days <rick_h__> jcastro: but will watch eagerly for some way to get the data off in linux <jcastro> nod <jcastro> they have an API and stuff <rick_h__> nice, yea. I need something <jcastro> I am going to mail them and see if they would even just provide the info we need <jcastro> and hell, we can ask someone to write the driver <snap-l> jcastro: If they get Linux support, I'll gladly get one <snap-l> I need some motivation to get rid of my Buddah belly. <nullspace> the threat of pain seems to work for most <snap-l> Well, yes, that is a motivation <Wolfger> :-) <Wolfger> I own that t-shirt... <Wolfger> (dude being chased by T-Rex, caption: "EXERCISE: Some motivation required" <Wolfger> fitbit costs $100? It looks like a glorified pedometer... <rick_h__> Wolfger: with internet upload and pretty charts :) <nullspace> bah I'm sure my phone has a app the does the same thing <rick_h__> and did you phone cost > $100? <nullspace> it's already bought <nullspace> oh hey free fitbit app <Wolfger> The 80's have ruined my brain. Here we are in 2012, and still every time somebody says something about "pushing it", I get Salt'n'Peppa singing in my head. <Wolfger> snap-l: http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/04/the-black-keys-nickelback-helping-to-kill-rock/?hpt=hp_bn4 <nullspace> nice <krondor> cleaning my home office yesterday, I think I found 2 full CD stacks of burned linux isos. Ubuntu 5.10, RedHat 7, ugh. <krondor> reminds me I should install from usb key more often (though in earlier days that wasn't so simple) <rick_h__> usb sticks ftw <nullspace> krondor: iodd ftw <krondor> nullspace, iodd looks neat. Hadn't seen this. <nullspace> there is a member of i3 or former member that is a regional sales distributor <nullspace> you can skip on shipping costs <nullspace> I think it's melstav <tjagoda> woot <tjagoda> my Oreilly loot <Wolfger> didn't you buy it yesterday? <tjagoda> Yes <Wolfger> Why did it take so long to receive e-books? <Wolfger> Don't tell me you're a tree murderer... <Wolfger> ;-) <tjagoda> I murder trees for Oreilly <tjagoda> Hate tech ebooks <snap-l> You just haven't found the right ebook reader. :) <rick_h__> DX! <rick_h__> spent time reading my social network data book in pdf form on there last night <tjagoda> might buy the kindle for its eInk display <tjagoda> but I have numerous other things I would rather spend money on at present <tjagoda> What I hate passionately however is the retarded BN Nook PC program for BN College Textbooks <tjagoda> eTextbooks* <tjagoda> omg so much DRM <tjagoda> Lost access to my course books for 4 days in a Barnes and Noble server outage <tjagoda> So much nerd rage <snap-l> tjagoda: Yeah, frankly it's not worth it <snap-l> Textbooks = hardcopy <snap-l> at least you can sell them back for beer money when you're through <snap-l> and frankly, most text books are shit. <tjagoda> yep <tjagoda> afkhome <krondor> gmail compact script to improve whitespace in the new theme (per the scrollback) http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/117234 #ubuntu-us-mi 2012-01-05 <tjagoda> So <rick_h__> party <tjagoda> Installing KDE.... LightDM or KDM? <tjagoda> I pick KDM. <tjagoda> and now to reboot and see how much I destroyed everything <rick_h__> sudo echo disable > /proc/acpi/ibm/bluetooth <tjagoda> KDE <tjagoda> its like an exciting new world <rick_h__> heh, don't get lost now <tjagoda> Spent the last 48 minutes making it look as much like gnome 2.2 as possible <rick_h__> import ipdb; ipdb.set_trace() <snap-l> Good morning <Wolfger> morning <rick_h__> party <brousch> did tjagoda survive his kde experiment? <rick_h__> not sure <rick_h__> 01:48 < tjagoda> Spent the last 48 minutes making it look as much like gnome 2.2 as possible <rick_h__> was where he left off <brousch> 2AM? yikes <rick_h__> meh, my ec2 instance is on UTC <brousch> freak <rick_h__> just didn't care enough to change it <brousch> i <3 python. i hacked out a script to backup windows profiles over the network yesterday <rick_h__> good stuff! (the python...yuck to the windows) <brousch> yeah, win7 roaming profiles are not working well, so i'm going to not use them and just backup the important local stuff myself <brousch> basically just sharing the C: on the PC, then use smbclient to grab the stuff <brousch> roaming profiles are kind of a PITA anyways. they slow the whole system down when people login in the morning and out at night <rick_h__> yea, always fun <brousch> my next project is to parse CNC code for one machine and translate it to another, then stick the file where it's supposed to go <brousch> more python fun <rick_h__> http://pyparsing.wikispaces.com/ <rick_h__> create your own parsed language of G codes and such <brousch> i really just have to look for 4-6 Gcodes and strip them out or convert them to the proper code <brousch> all the movement stuff is fine <brousch> but i'll check it out <rick_h__> ah, gotcha <rick_h__> it's something I keep wanting to try out so pushing on you to figure out for me :) <brousch> heh <brousch> this crusty old dxf->NC code program refuses to remember our machine. it will only output NC code for one machine, so i am going to post-process it <brousch> i hope to switch to an open source program some day, but i need a solution now that the draftsmen can use <brousch> i have a possible ironpython project about 3 months out <tjagoda> brousch: I do not have your RAM problems <tjagoda> Running firefox and pidgin last night I was using ~806MB <brousch> chrome is the big culprit <brousch> krondor walked me through some stats yesterday <brousch> it is currently using 1.4GB with 14 tabs open <tjagoda> ahhh <tjagoda> The dark styles are broken for me <tjagoda> impossible bug in firefox uses system colors, so if text box text is white in system theme, and the facebook comment box is white per say <tjagoda> hosed <Wolfger> tjagoda: Yes, that has always been the issue keeping dark themes from being usable :-p <Wolfger> Though now that I'm digging on Rekonq, maybe I should try again and see if it's smarter? <brousch> tjagoda: i am just using the oxygen theme <Wolfger> Welcome to KDE, by the way. :-) <Wolfger> Were you able to config it to look just like Gnome 2.2? <tjagoda> Mostly <tjagoda> The bottom panel doesnt work quite right when I use widgets <tjagoda> lock widgets* <tjagoda> And the notifications dont autoclear, which is annoying for pidgin <brousch> mine do <brousch> i don't see a setting for that <brousch> ah <brousch> do you see the little "i" icon in your notification area? <brousch> it's notiifications and jobs <brousch> right-click it, notification settings, auto-hide <tjagoda> ahhaaa <tjagoda> I will have to do that when I get home <tjagoda> Do they still stack up in the notifications tray? <brousch> i only have that when coming out of suspend <brousch> otherwise they go away after a few seconds <tjagoda> But they stack up in the tray if you click on it, right? <tjagoda> It keeps like a history until you hit the little X's to clear them <brousch> yeah, it has a history <brousch> with filters at the top <tjagoda> Yeah, thats what I feel compelled to obsessively purge <brousch> why? you don't see them unless you click it <snap-l> Good God, traffic sucked this morning <tjagoda> But they're there =( <snap-l> http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/Pedestrian-killed-on-WB-I-696-near-Farmington-Road/-/1719418/7647710/-/rx0iu/-/index.html <brousch> tjagoda: i don't see a "don't save notification history" setting <Wolfger> brousch: there must be one. KDE has a setting for everything. :-) <brousch> so i thought <Wolfger> oh, wait, that was KDE3, not the gnomified KDE4. :-p <Wolfger> </snark> <tjagoda> Why are we systematically destroying all our user interfaces? =P <tjagoda> I'm gonna have to start using Macs because Ill have to avoid both Windows 8 Metro and most of Open Source =P <nullspace> snap-l: yeah I got stuck in that shit this morning <nullspace> I drove right on to 696 before they closed teh telgraph ramp <snap-l> nullspace: Oh, lovely. <snap-l> I drove 13 mile road, which was just as bad of a mistake. ;) <nullspace> took me an hour to get to work, normally takes 15 minutes <nullspace> but wow a pedestrian was hit multiple times on a freeway <snap-l> Wow, that's not good <brousch> i recommend you not walk on the freeway <ColonelPanic001> so do the signs on the entrance ramps <ColonelPanic001> ah <ColonelPanic001> he was changing a tire <ColonelPanic001> http://www.freep.com/article/20120105/NEWS03/120105003/I-696-westbound-in-Farmington-Hills-closed-after-pedestrian-hit?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE <_stink_> damn <brousch> that sucks <_stink_> well said :P <ColonelPanic001> brousch is a wordsmith. <brousch> i get really scared if i have to get out of the car on the freeway <ColonelPanic001> I don't even like pulling over <ColonelPanic001> pain in the rear to get back into traffic <brousch> punch it! <ColonelPanic001> I have a civic <ColonelPanic001> no such thing <ColonelPanic001> :) <nullspace> he has a civil civic, so it tries to resolve things without resorting to violence .... * ColonelPanic001 is sometimes civil <brousch> buy one of those big picnic table spoilers. that'll get you moving faster <snap-l> heh <tjagoda> Oh no <tjagoda> iPhones have infiltrated our sales office * tjagoda braces for the spike in calls for people who "suddenly" have problems with their older blackberries <snap-l> The imperials have infiltrated the base! <brousch> tjagoda: tell them you only support BB and android <tjagoda> I do <tjagoda> And then I tell them how much ludicrously cheaper the BB's are <nullspace> though the time to abdon the BB ship is getting pretty close <tjagoda> Nah. <tjagoda> Thats all press drama. <nullspace> though BB server is kinda pricey <tjagoda> the board will fire the co-CEO's and then the ship will right itself <tjagoda> Not having policy management is kind of pricey. <tjagoda> (Although we dont use a BB server here anyway) <nullspace> I suppose they don't schedule meetings via BB then <jrwren> BB server is free until you reach a large N client numbr <nullspace> jrwren: ah nice, didn't know <snap-l> tjagoda: Blackberry is just rearranging the deck chairs. :) <brousch> BB is a goner. even IBM is trying iOS and android <tjagoda> They fired like 2k people <tjagoda> Apparently the wrong 2k people <tjagoda> because they haven't been able to get anything done since <snap-l> If a business' response to bad news is to can people, they're in the wrong business <snap-l> or they hired some truly spectacularly bad people. <snap-l> And if you can let go of 2K people, your biggest proglem is either in your hiring practices, or your management of those people <snap-l> regardless,
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