#ubuntu-beginners 2011-01-01 <aveilleux> Red__: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Moving_from_Windows_to_Linux <Elise001> Wifi detected. Using Google Maps on FireFox. Thank you Aveilleux! <_schism_> can anyone tell me of a easy email server to set up that can be used with a webmail frontend like squirrellmail? <Elise001> And thanks to my other helper too. <Red__> thanks. <aveilleux> you're welcome Elise001 <nit-wit> Red__, there a FF sync in FF you might just install FF in windows and install the sync, and your boomarks in either OS on FF will be the same <Red__> is my name a reference to something? (the full name is Red Raven) <Red__> kk thx. im running bete 4 on windows though. but it shouldn't matter. <nit-wit> Red__, the sync is the same for the beta and the Ubntu install you may just have to get it from the addons in Ubuntu <Red__> ok will do. <stlsaint> _schism_: check out citadel <stlsaint> aveilleux: W00T <Red__> the iphone app? <_schism_> stlsaint, I'll take a look thank you very much is it the server or everything in one? <_schism_> just looking for something to goof around with <stlsaint> _schism_: it has a "all-in-one" abilities but you can setup whatever you want <_schism_> stlsaint, thank you so much I am going to go look at it now <stlsaint> _schism_: no prob <Red__> is the linux sync version "FF bkmrk syncing with desktop couchdb" in the software center? <nit-wit> Red__, the ff snyc should only sync ff, not sure what desktop couchdb is <Red__> oh ok. so then just get this one? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/10868/ <nit-wit> Red__, thats the one, also be careful with the software center it looks pretty but there is stuff there not maintained and may need additional repositories and dependencies. Personally I don't install anything from there, But know what I need. <nit-wit> 8I <nit-wit> *I <Red__> then where you you get stuff for Linux? <aveilleux> Red__: Repositories, but we install them using resources other than the Software Center. Synaptic, apt-get, aptitude, etc. <Red__> ok what exactly are repositories? <nit-wit> Red__, in the terminal run cat /etc/apt/sources.list the list is the repositories where the software is coming from <nit-wit> Red__, protected software repositiries <nit-wit> close on the spelling <Red__> permision denied? <nit-wit> Red__, try sudo apt-get update <Red__> what the freak just happened? <nit-wit> Red__, if you have the software center open you will get a denial, with linux since there are multiple ways to get packages you can only use one at a time. <nit-wit> Red__, what did you see <Red__> i dont have it open <nit-wit> Red__, was it scrolling text <Red__> a bunch of URLs involving packages poped up. <Red__> yes. <nit-wit> Red__, so that is one of the ways you see if your updated never stop it let it finish. the next command is sudo apt-get upgrade <nit-wit> Red__, those urls were the repositories being checked <Red__> its done <nit-wit> Red__, so run sudo apt-get upgrade, or you can open the download manager and see if anything is ready to update/install <Red__> ran the scrpit. so why am i putting sudo in front? <nit-wit> Red__, you always have to use sudo if your doing super user=admin in windows type work <Red__> oh so if it needs an admin you put sudo. so shoul i be working in a non-admin profile for security then? <nit-wit> Red__, basically yes that is one of the reasons amongst others that Linux and Ubuntu if not in a root install is safer <Red__> so it is safe to be on as admin then? <nit-wit> Red__, you are in a non admin profile with a regular install. It is like running a admin process from a limited in windows where you would right click to owner then a poassword <nit-wit> Red__, the pass word and sudo prompt give you a short time in a similiar to admin in windows <Red__> oh ok. that awesome. so its like there is no admin except when it needs it temporaraly! <nit-wit> Red__, yeah that is basically it, it just takes awhile to sort out what is where and when hyou need a sudo. If you run sudo apt-get upgrade though you may see some updates <Red__> yah its installing a bunch right now. <nit-wit> Red__, I suspected you hadn't run these two commands yet. On a fresh install you want to update with the update manager in the menu, or in the terminal with these two commands. <Red__> ok gald i did it then. so whats it downloading, just general updates and stuff? <nit-wit> Red__, yeah probably you installed maverick 10.10 correct <Red__> yah i think so. <nit-wit> Red__, here is another matter you want to be aware of partial upgrades, this is from the development part of the forum but is relevant on any runny Linux OS.http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1641400 <nit-wit> *runny=running <nit-wit> brb <Red__> ok so basically dont do them, only do full upgrades? <nit-wit> Red__, yeah if it is a partial there usally a dependecy not available yet but will be shorly, hard to say how long. So when your all upgarded do you want to do a install of a package from the terminal so you get the feel for that <Red__> um, sure. and packages are just smaller bits of code that make up a program? <nit-wit> Red__, so you usede the gparted partitioner on the live cd it isn't in the install but a handy tool how about that <Red__> definatly. i liked it and wondered where it went. <nit-wit> Red__, package could be defined in sveral ways but basically the code for a progrm or programs <nit-wit> Red__, so in the terminal run sudo apt-get install gparted <Red__> ok. the update is still going <nit-wit> Red__, just wait till the update/upgrade is done you can only run one of these processes at a time <Red__> IK. dik how long it has to go though. <Red__> oh ETA 5 Min. <nit-wit> Red__, also the gparted partitioner can only be used on a unmounted partition, so you can't do anything with Ubuntu but you can format a thumb drive other HD's, even mess with the windows partition if you had to <Red__> ok cool. <nit-wit> Red__, to adjust the Ubuntu install with gparted you would just use the live cd, and you have to turn off the swap to unlock everything in the install to mess with it. <Red__> ok. i have a while before i ever have to mess with that though. btw, this is a long way off for me, but is triple boooting with OSx even going to be possible with my partitions? <nit-wit> Red__, gparted can also be downloaded to a bootable cd along with other partitioners as well it sometimes, for other needs <Red__> ok. random question: how old are you? <nit-wit> Red__, not sure really about the OSX, you have the max amount of partitions allowed, but the extended allows as many logical type partitions you can fit in it. If the OSX will boot from a extended then you could slip it in there with some partition resizing <nit-wit> Red__, 48 <nit-wit> Red__, I rember your age <nit-wit> *remember <Red__> oh sorry did i ask you last night? <stlsaint> old folks ;) <Red__> btw its unpackaging everything. <nit-wit> Red__, yeah no problem it doesn't matter. ther is a thread at the Ubuntu Forums about a 9 year old girl whoes mother is Linux IT who wasted them in a store <nit-wit> Red__, the first update/upgrade can take awhile. <Red__> IK! wish i knew that much. that would be rly embarasing. <nit-wit> Red__, I thought it was funny, you never know who has special skills that you would never have thought of <Red__> this might be noobish, but do IRC clients allow you to access IRC channels from your desktop? <nit-wit> Red__, what are you using now which program <stlsaint> any you fine folks use kvm? <Red__> im using the freenode network in my browser. <nit-wit> stlsaint, I use Vbox <Red__> ive only ever used in-browser IRCs <nit-wit> Red__, I use xchat we can install that along with gparted and you could just have the icon on the desktop or in the panel no browser needed <Red__> yay. so will that give me more customization options? <nit-wit> Red__, peobably I just use it as is <nit-wit> *probably <Red__> oh ok then. <nit-wit> Red__, I know ther is customizing of like colors of names and others I just haven't bothered with those parts <Red__> kk cool. just wondering. <Red__> DL is done. <nit-wit> Red__, okay lets install xcat and gparted at the same time in the terminal run sudo apt-get install gparted xchat <Red__> hey sorry im back. just let me run it, <stlsaint> Red__: you new to ubuntu? <Red__> installed it yesterday. <stlsaint> Red__: new to linux? <Red__> yes. <Red__> E: unable to locate Xchat package. <Red__> oh lol spaelled it wrong <nit-wit> stlsaint, installed on a HP that had 4 primaries to begin with to much fun.:) <nit-wit> Red__, no capitals either in this command set <stlsaint> lol, gotta love partitions <Red__> installing now. <nit-wit> stlsaint, HP seems to love that setup <Red__> yes it was loads of fun. but i learned a lot. <stlsaint> never understood why <Red__> lol i was just about to ask why is it limited to 4 partitions. <nit-wit> Red__, yipee, also if you type history in the terminal it will give the history <Red__> ok. <nit-wit> Red__, history is good for forgot command <nit-wit> *forgotten <Red__> just used it. i like it. its short and to the point <Red__> DL is done. <nit-wit> Red__, I think you will have this figured out pretty fast, it took me about 6 months to get the swing of the setup, but was new to computers anyway. So gparted should be in the menu admin and xchat is in internet <Red__> yup found them. <nit-wit> Red__, cool I'm going to go get some dinner I think <Red__> ok cya later then. <nit-wit> Red__, see yah on xchat <Red__> starting it now. <nit-wit> Red__, let us know are you black again in a nick <stlsaint> black? <red-raven> hey. <red-raven> I'm in Xchat (no rly?) <nit-wit> red-raven, hey your real nick cooooooool.:) <red-raven> thx! that doesn't mean anything does it? <nit-wit> stlsaint, black was the nick when we were switching computers during the Ubuntu install. <stlsaint> oh ok <red-raven> i used an irc client app on my ipod touch. <nit-wit> stlsaint, nothing more, i;m actuall a black studies major at my university <nit-wit> can't spell worth a darn though on this net book though <red-raven> red raven isnt the name of anything else is it? <nit-wit> red-raven, can't think of anything, see you all later <red-raven> good. found out after i mane my XBL Gtag that it was the name of a dragon ball z character. i dont even watch it. <stlsaint> dragon ball z is awesome <red-raven> not when you accedentally type in ninja goko becasue your younger, obsessed with geckos, want to get online fast, and run out of "gecko" alternative spellings. <red-raven> you got a good article for directory commands? i cant find the one to move forward in a directory/ <red-raven> .* <red-raven> BRB going to put sync on window FF. <red-raven> hey. wheres the thing download so that linux can read windows files? <red-raven> you download* <stlsaint> red-raven: what files? <red-raven> might be a package, im not sure. <red-raven> oh ignore that hold on <red-raven> um, any files, just anything on the windows partitions. <stlsaint> red-raven: just view it <red-raven> yah. <stlsaint> select the partition, enter what directorys and view files <stlsaint> im not sure what else you are looking for <red-raven> i thought you had to DL something to read windows partitions on linux? <stlsaint> red-raven: nope <stlsaint> Go to your Places menu option, select the partition to mount it on the desktop, open it like any other folder and view files <red-raven> i cant find my windows documents folder from there. <stlsaint> red-raven: you must enter your "users" folder and enter the user profile <dropbear> can anyone here help me with some internet problems <red-raven> ok will it be in the system partition? <stlsaint> dropbear: what problems <stlsaint> red-raven: nope, where your user data is <red-raven> ok then. ill keep looking <red-raven> i MIGHT be able to help. it depends. <dropbear> I have an internet connection. and everything connected to my wireless router is running fine except one computer that is struggling to open google and not managing anything else <dropbear> I have a netbook, playstation, and Iphone that are all running fine at about 500KB/sec <red-raven> um, low signal strength? <dropbear> but my other computer is struggling at 5 <dropbear> have tried wired connection to the router and straight into the modem but no love <red-raven> drivers? <dropbear> It also happened pretty suddenly last night. it was running fine and then slowed down <stlsaint> dropbear: what is your computer running? <dropbear> if it was a driver problem would it come out of nowhere like that? <dropbear> 10.10 <dropbear> for about a month <stlsaint> dropbear: have you ran anythign else on this computer? <dropbear> what do you mean? <dropbear> no other OS? <stlsaint> yes any other OS? <dropbear> it was formerly a vista machine about 6 months ago. installed 10.04 and then about a month ago upgraded to 10.10 <stlsaint> dropbear: did 10.04 run fine? <stlsaint> dropbear: or did you have same issues? <dropbear> no, this is the first time this has happened <stlsaint> dropbear: what drivers are you using? <dropbear> how do I find that out? <stlsaint> dropbear: open a terminal <dropbear> yeah <stlsaint> dropbear: enter command: lspci | grep Wireless <stlsaint> dropbear: copy paste the output <red-raven> sorry i wasn't much help. i can fix basic stuff. <stlsaint> red-raven: you find your files? <red-raven> yah. <stlsaint> cool <stlsaint> glad i could help ;) <stlsaint> (if i even did) <red-raven> bu i must not have uploaded my EI bookmarks to FF in windows yet cause FF sync didnt tranfer them. <dropbear> I am not on the machine that I am having trouble on. I will go on that one and come on this channell <DropBear1> I was in here a minute ago getting help from someone about finding out my drivers <DropBear1> could you repeat the command you wanted me to write <stlsaint> lspci <stlsaint> opps <stlsaint> lspci | grep Wireless <DropBear1> when I put in lspci | grep Wireless it doesn't do anything. If I put in just lspci I get a bit list, Is that what you want? <stlsaint> lol heck no <stlsaint> so lspci | grep Wireless yields no results?? <stlsaint> what about: <stlsaint> lspci | grep Ethernet <DropBear1> 0e:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 03) <stlsaint> DropBear1: are you able to connect to any wireless networks on this laptop with the issues? (it seems that you should not be able to) <DropBear1> yes I can I am connected now. just really slowly <stlsaint> well its definately driver issues, question is what drivers are you using... <stlsaint> hrm.... <DropBear1> I tried connecting to different web pages, some work, some don't, and I was trying to download a torrent which given it's popularity should have been going alot faster than it was at less than 1kb/s * stlsaint thinks <stlsaint> intermitten connection issues points to faulty hardware <stlsaint> (or drivers) <red-raven> i hate wireless driver issues. ive had so many in the past. <DropBear1> why would it come out of nowhere like that though? it has been working perfectly up until about 12 hours ago? <stlsaint> DropBear1: what is the model of this laptop? <DropBear1> toshiba sattelite a500 <stlsaint> one sec <harrisonk> hello <red-raven> heard toshibas dont play nice with linux. <red-raven> ehllo. <harrisonk> anyone here good with git? <red-raven> git? <red-raven> (im new) <harrisonk> one moment <harrisonk> http://git-scm.com/ <harrisonk> it's like svn <harrisonk> or bazaar <red-raven> repositories DL stuff? <stlsaint> red-raven: its a version control app <harrisonk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git_%28software%29 <harrisonk> that is something else to look at <stlsaint> dropbear: connection dropped? <harrisonk> stlsaint: are you good with git? <stlsaint> harrisonk: depends on what defines good... <dropbear> yeah. my connection on the other machine dropped. I am back on the one that works <harrisonk> can push stuff to gitorious.org <dropbear> I typed in "/exit" on another window thinking it would just close that window but it dropped them all and then I couldn't reconnect <stlsaint> dropbear: yea i think your having a in progress bug with your system <dropbear> what does that mean? <dropbear> will it help if I go back to 10.04? <red-raven> so git is where packages and linux programs are stored and catalouged? <stlsaint> dropbear: i think your wireless card is not being properly detected by ubuntu <stlsaint> red-raven: its not linux specific, it can be used by anyone for any type of code or projects <dropbear> it has in the past though. I do have a usb card that I can try? will that help <red-raven> oh ok i get it now. <dropbear> will it also help If i go back to 10.04 or reinstall 10.10. will I lose all the apps and software that I have installed? <stlsaint> dropbear: the new release may be causing the issue <stlsaint> dropbear: if this is meant to be your main system i suggest going back to the working release to prevent continued issues <dropbear> is there a way of winding it back or will I have to reinstall the whole thing again and lose all the things that I have installed? <dropbear> ? <stlsaint> dropbear: there is no roll back feature available, you will need to reinstall it all <stlsaint> you can make a copy of the apps installed <dropbear> ok. thanks very much for all of your time and help <dropbear> how do I do that? <kristian-aalborg> hi ppl <dropbear> hello kristian * dropbear says hello <red-raven> Hello. <kristian-aalborg> \o <kristian-aalborg> trying to let my normal user shut down the box <stlsaint> dropbear: System>Administration>Synaptic Package Manager, then select File>Save Markings As...[b] and save your Markings" from Synaptic to someplace safe, such as a Thumb Drive or some other Storage that will be easily acessable after the re-install. This saves all your "Installed Programs" selections to a file that can be read by Synaptic, and used to re-install all the "stuff" that you have installed now. <dropbear> excellent, thanks heaps. <kristian-aalborg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sudoers <dropbear> how do I reinstall it all afterwards <kristian-aalborg> following this.. no luck <red-raven> i can't imagine reinstalling like that. it was hard enoguh installing it noramlly for me. <stlsaint> dropbear: use the Read Markings option in synaptic <red-raven> ill read it. give me a sec. (im new, so dont count on anything) <dropbear> awesome. I will go away and do all of that now. I will let you konow how I go whenI am done. <stlsaint> dropbear: one sec <stlsaint> dropbear: let me get you a better link <dropbear> ok <dropbear> what do you mean <stlsaint> dropbear: i prefer this method shown here: http://okiebuntu.homelinux.com/blog/?p=96 <red-raven> wait, you cant just hit the shut down button in the upper right corner? <kristian-aalborg> red-raven: not when I don't have X, no ;) <stlsaint> kristian-aalborg: what issue are you having? <kristian-aalborg> from the command line, I can't shutdown the box as a normal user <red-raven> X? <stlsaint> kristian-aalborg: are you a member of the sudoers file? <stlsaint> !X <ubot2> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type Â« sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart Â» in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution <kristian-aalborg> I have to "sudo poweroff" etc... it's not the end of the world, but mildly annoying... so I'm looking into visudo and stuff <stlsaint> !X | red-raven <ubot2> red-raven: please see above <red-raven> why thank you ubot2! still dont know if i get it.... <red-raven> jeez....pushy little bot..... <kristian-aalborg> red-raven: X is what provides you with gnome <stlsaint> red-raven: the xorg server is what gives you colors and stuffs ;) <harrisonk> otherwise it would be all text <red-raven> oh ok. why dont you have it then? <stlsaint> kristian-aalborg: well for security reasons you must be sudo to shutdown a system <kristian-aalborg> http://pastebin.com/AeE1f4Ca <kristian-aalborg> red-raven: I'm using a laptop from 1997 :) <kristian-aalborg> and, let me point out that I have all kinds of colors and stuff going on <red-raven> oh i get it now. for fun? <kristian-aalborg> yes, for fun and learning <red-raven> ah. that would be cool. <kristian-aalborg> if you are new to linux I can really recommend getting some old computer that it won't matter if you mess up... you're more prone to experimenting then ;) <stlsaint> kristian-aalborg: looks like somebody has been editing the sudoers file ;) <kristian-aalborg> true :) <kristian-aalborg> only using visudo though <red-raven> hm. well i need to learn commands and languages first. i know basic html, minimal C++, and thats it. im learning the terminal's commands now. <stlsaint> red-raven: may i propose you use clicompanion ;) <kristian-aalborg> red-raven: http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/fbterm-birth-of-the-cool-for-the-console/ - this blog is rather interesting <stlsaint> red-raven: CLI Companion is a Terminal with an attached Command List. It comes with a handful of commands to help new users get acquainted with the Terminal. It also allows you to save commands to the Command List for later use. <stlsaint> red-raven: managed by our very own duanedesign <stlsaint> red-raven: http://okiebuntu.homelinux.com/blog/?p=238 <kristian-aalborg> that sounds like a good idea <red-raven> my mind asploded at the sight of the first screen shot. but now that you told me im not freaking out. anyways, can i still run the standard terminal? <kristian-aalborg> stlsaint: what should I do with the sudoers file? <stlsaint> kristian-aalborg: well i thought somethign different when i said use sudoers, so you want to shutdown the system without doing: sudo shutdown ? <kristian-aalborg> yes <stlsaint> kristian-aalborg: do you just not want to put in a password or is the command too long? <kristian-aalborg> I want to be able to reboot and shutdown as a normal user... nothing more <kristian-aalborg> like I said, it's just a mild annoyance <kristian-aalborg> red-raven: from the fbterm screenshot or the CLI-Companion one? <stlsaint> kristian-aalborg: you could just use a alias and then all you have to do is enter password <stlsaint> red-raven: yes, <kristian-aalborg> is there no "proper" way to do it? <red-raven> fbterm i guess. didnt see CLI. in the article, only in the comments. <stlsaint> kristian-aalborg: other options include elevating user permissions and or handling system as root ALL the time which defeats the endstate so...permissions it is ! <kristian-aalborg> I read about chmodding /sbin/reboot and such, but that seems silly <kristian-aalborg> I'll deal for now, then... not the end of the world <stlsaint> red-raven: that is something to do on a test machine first <stlsaint> red-raven: maybe try on a virtual machine first before testing on production machine <red-raven> CLI or FBterm? <stlsaint> LOL oh crap sorry <stlsaint> i meant those last two comments to kristian-aalborg <red-raven> ok ok lol. <kristian-aalborg> I don't think I'll tamper with that... but I'll keep my eyes out for a proper solution <red-raven> so where do i get CLI? <stlsaint> red-raven: in that link i sent you gives full instructions <red-raven> ooooo sry. looking @wrong link. <stlsaint> red-raven: http://okiebuntu.homelinux.com/blog/?p=238 <red-raven> thx. <stlsaint> yep yep <stlsaint> gotta love giving support ;) <red-raven> can't wait till im good enough to do the same. course thats a while off. in the mean time ill stick to helping all the morons in my buiz and finance class when they do something stupid on their laptop. <red-raven> so i just use sudo add-apt-repository ppa:clicompanion-devs/clicompanion-nightlies and then sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install clicompanion ? <red-raven> should i be pinging whenever i say something? <JoeMaverickSett> red-raven: yes, that is the correct command. <red-raven> um, ok. <JoeMaverickSett> and yes, you should put the name of the person you're speaking (writing) to. <red-raven> thx. not used to doing that. <JoeMaverickSett> that way there is no confusiong. :) <JoeMaverickSett> *confusion <red-raven> and doesn't it alert the person with a beep? <JoeMaverickSett> red-raven: yes, it does if you put the person's name. :) <red-raven> stlsaint thx, unpacking now. <stlsaint> JoeMaverickSett: not quite <red-raven> stlsaint, how come it doesn't have the basic directory commands? <stlsaint> JoeMaverickSett: i dont get any beeps and alot of other clients dont automatically beep unless instructed to <JoeMaverickSett> stlsaint: ah! :| <stlsaint> red-raven: put yes putting a nick infront of the message makes the message stand out to the person either with sound or default is a change in color of the message <stlsaint> red-raven: clicompanion is written in python and is very easy to customize to your needs want, ie: shell selection <red-raven> what the fudge. cd desktop isnt working. <red-raven> no directory command works for me right now! they just were. <stlsaint> red-raven: thats because there is no such thing as a desktop ;) <red-raven> there is a desktop file..... <stlsaint> red-raven: you sure about that? <red-raven> ....yes? <red-raven> it works in terminal now. i think i typed something wrong. <stlsaint> i think you did too :D <red-raven> but there is a desktop file. <red-raven> /home/red-raven/Desktop <stlsaint> desktop is different than Desktop <wolffu> Is the beginners team for new users to Ubuntu or people looking to contribute to Ubuntu? <stlsaint> red-raven: and its not a file, its a directory ;) <stlsaint> wolffu: both <pleia2> wolffu: both <red-raven> .......curse you windows. you have tainted my knowlage forever..... <stlsaint> pleia2: oooohhhhhhhh beat ya :D <wolffu> stlsaint: pleia2: Thanks. <pleia2> happy new year stlsaint :) <stlsaint> pleia2: hehe, same to you <stlsaint> red-raven: hehe <kristian-aalborg> would anyone know of a script to upload images? <nit-wit> kristian-aalborg, are the images all in one url <stlsaint> kristian-aalborg: upload them where? <kristian-aalborg> imageshack or something like that <stlsaint> there are some apps that automatically upload into programs like flickr <red-raven> hey can you get anything from the software center in the terminal? <stlsaint> red-raven: yep <nit-wit> red-raven, yes <red-raven> why not use that image borde thing you showed me yesterday to post screen shots? <red-raven> so just sudo get-apt install <program name>? <stlsaint> red-raven: yep <red-raven> stlsaint: ok thnx! im getting this: http://www.flightgear.org/ <kristian-aalborg> I prefer apt-get to be honest ;) <red-raven> oh. im guessing thats sarcasm and get-apt is not a real command? <red-raven> *checks terminal history* yup. wow im not new am i. <stlsaint> lol <stlsaint> im sorry i couldnt help it :D <stlsaint> red-raven: this will be very nice for you: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html <stlsaint> red-raven: i reference that link often :D <nit-wit> stlsaint, I don't think red-raven and I ever went over the other repositories in software source universe and backports would you like to cover that if you all have not yet <kristian-aalborg> red-raven: it was just a funny typo to make, I was not being sarcastic <kristian-aalborg> you seem rather good to pick up stuff, how long have you been using linux? <red-raven> i know what repositories are, dont know why there must be more than one, and dont know all that other stuff you mentions. <red-raven> me? yesterday. <kristian-aalborg> really?! <nit-wit> red-raven, there a bunch <red-raven> um, yah. <red-raven> why not just put all the programs into one big one? <kristian-aalborg> that's quite impressive... it took me about a year to venture into the terminal, I think <red-raven> oh and on the typo, you were right. i did have it wrong. <kristian-aalborg> red-raven: there are various reasons for that <red-raven> and i think the minimal html and even less C++ helped. <nit-wit> red-raven, open source is alot of small groups contributing at different times rather then a monolithic company <red-raven> i understand that. it was the backports and stuff that lost me. <kristian-aalborg> for instance, if a user wants the very newest (and unstable) version of a program, s/he can often add the repos for that program <stlsaint> nit-wit: hm? <stlsaint> repos and backports? <red-raven> yes. <kristian-aalborg> tbh, I find it confusing too... and you can break a system if you're unlucky <stlsaint> aye, repos are (in lamen terms) a collection of programs hence the term repository <nit-wit> red raven in admin is a program called software sources, there are a couple of repositories that provide 3rd party apps, like media codecs and and other things not included in a regular install <red-raven> kristian-aalborg: oh ok i get it. why would you want something that can break the system when you have a good version with a few less features? <stlsaint> backports is way more complicated <red-raven> oh ok repo=repository abreviation. <stlsaint> red-raven: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports <kristian-aalborg> red-raven: I did it for better 3d, if memory serves ;) <stlsaint> red-raven: repos is my shortcut of repository, most other's use the entire term <kristian-aalborg> I use "repos" because it reminds me of Repo Man, I think ;) <red-raven> ah. like how i use DL (i know others use it to though.). <dropbear> quick question. would it be possible to create a partition with free space on your computers HDD (which is currently 10.10) then use the new partition to install 10.04 then when in 10.04 grab all your old files from the old 10.10 partition then get rid of the old partion and have 10.04 with all of your old files... does that make sense or am I crazy? <red-raven> stlsaint how is backports more complicated? it made sense enough. <stlsaint> red-raven: whenever you give it a try with alot of apps come back and let me know how it goes ;) <red-raven> no i meant the concept makes sense. <stlsaint> red-raven: oh right <dropbear> can anyone help me out with that one? <red-raven> dont look at me dropbear. my A.D.D pill wore off a few hours ago, so even if i DID know how, i would probably be having you drill holes through your computer. <stlsaint> dropbear: so you want to install partition 1, then from partition 1, create partition 2, then pull files from partition 1 onto 2? <kristian-aalborg> okay... bedtime for me... see y'all later <red-raven> cya. <stlsaint> dropbear: is that right? <stlsaint> ridin: you live in texas? <ridin> o-O? <dropbear> basically. part1 is 10.01 which I want to get rid of but have lots of media which is giving me a headache moving. so if I create a new part (part2) with 10.04 can I then boot into that and grab the media from part1... then get rid of it <ridin> california <stlsaint> ridin: oh, you with timewarner? <ridin> yeah <stlsaint> dropbear: yes you can <stlsaint> ridin: kk <dropbear> is it as straightforward as it seems? <stlsaint> yes very much so <dropbear> that sounds good then <stlsaint> dropbear: what you are describing is called dual booting <red-raven> he wants to dual boot 10.10 and 10.04? <dropbear> yep... got that. was just checking if it was easy to get files from one partition to another with seperate releases <stlsaint> dropbear: yes, very easy, :D <dropbear> phew <stlsaint> dropbear: once you get the second install done you will see the other partitions in your Places menu tab <dropbear> was running out of thumb sticks! :) <nlsthzn> To all... Best for 2011! <dropbear> is it 2011 in the US yet? <red-raven> this says i need synaptic to get flightgear. do i have that? http://www.flightgear.org/Downloads/binary.shtml <red-raven> no not yet. <dropbear> oh <nit-wit> dropbear, Do you know how many partitions you have now? and how they are configured? <dropbear> yeah just the one <dropbear> wait <dropbear> change that <dropbear> hold on <nit-wit> dropbear, do you have gparted installed <stlsaint> dropbear: nope <red-raven> yah! something i understand!! <dropbear> yep wait <stlsaint> red-raven: flightgear is in syntapci <stlsaint> synaptic even lol <wolffu> I am trying to create my wiki page, and there is not HomepageBTTemplate(2). Is there a different template I am supposed to use? <red-raven> so was it preinstalled or do i need to DL synaptic? <nlsthzn> dropbear: big world out there ;) <nit-wit> red-raven, look in admin it is there <stlsaint> red-raven: run in terminal <stlsaint> red-raven: apt-cache show flightgear <dropbear> have both that and KDE partition manager and for some reason I can't open either of them. <red-raven> found syn. <stlsaint> wolffu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/stlsaint <red-raven> oh crap. they have vulvuzalas across the street. <nit-wit> dropbear, try in a terminal gksudo libparted <nit-wit> red-raven, lol cover your ears <red-raven> ok i ran the script. now what? <stlsaint> script?? <stlsaint> red-raven: what script did you run??? <dropbear> it didn't do anything, it just went to the next line <red-raven> oh sry. wrong vocab... <red-raven> apt-cache show flightgear. <stlsaint> nit-wit: why are you trying to use a virtual package? <nit-wit> dropbear, can you run a update in the terminal to see if you have a broken or locked setup <stlsaint> dropbear: why gksudo libparted?? <stlsaint> what are you guys trying to do? <nit-wit> stlsaint, that is the terminal command for gparted <dropbear> I don't know why... because some one said to write it in? and how do I run an update? <nit-wit> dropbear, which desktop are you in <dropbear> 1 <stlsaint> actually it is: <stlsaint> gksudo gparted <dropbear> I feel in necessary to reiterate at this point that I am a computer spastic <akshatj> stlsaint, http://djennings@example.org/msg04963.html <nit-wit> stlsaint, I guess your right it works in another OS hve I think <dropbear> when I write that it comes up with a shole heap of stuff about system lock <stlsaint> dropbear: thats because you are either runnign updates or you have the Synaptic package manager application already open <nit-wit> dropbear, hold on I will give you two commands to run <dropbear> I don't have synaptic running <nit-wit> dropbear, run these two commands with everything but the terminal closed. sudo dpkg --configure -a <nit-wit> sudo apt-get install -f <stlsaint> akshatj: aye, thanks <nit-wit> sudo dpkg --configure -a <nit-wit> sudo apt-get install -f <dropbear> it's going it's thing at the moment <nit-wit> dropbear, here they are easier to read the commands <dropbear> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place <dropbear> that's what it said after sudo apt-get install -f <dropbear> do you want me to put in the second one now <nit-wit> dropbear, run both <stlsaint> you must configure first then force install <stlsaint> red-raven: welcome back <red-raven_> hey sorry about that. parents just shut off my pc for fun. what the crap..... <stlsaint> lol that sucks <red-raven_> some times i wonder how they were not declared insane <dropbear> I ran the second script and it thought for a few seconds then brought up another line <stlsaint> dropbear: a command is not a script!! <red-raven_> anyways, flightgear. so should i use terminal or synaptic, or does it matter? <dropbear> ok <red-raven_> thx for clearing that up. <stlsaint> red-raven_: the synaptic package manager is just a frontend to the apt-get <red-raven_> like a short-cut? <akshatj> red-raven_, no <stlsaint> red-raven_: oh no <dropbear> now what? <akshatj> red-raven_, apt-get is command line, synaptic just wraps the it into a GUI <stlsaint> red-raven_: Front end and back end are generalized terms that refer to the initial and the end stages of a process. The front end is responsible for collecting input in various forms from the user and processing it to conform to a specification the back end can use. The front end is an interface between the user and the back end. <stlsaint> red-raven_: for instance <red-raven_> ok then. so synaptic is just easier then? <akshatj> red-raven_, yes <stlsaint> MySQL=Backend, PHPmyadmin=Frontend <red-raven_> ok got it. <stlsaint> red-raven_: easier is relative to the user ;) <red-raven_> says: the choosen action will effect other packages. the following changes are required in order to proceed. then it lists a bunch of other packages. <red-raven_> so does that mean it could skrew up my system? <stlsaint> red-raven_: its just letting you know what is going to take place if you proceed with the operation <red-raven_> ok so then it should be safe to install it? <stlsaint> red-raven_: packages have dependencies and what not so that message is letting you know all of what is going on <stlsaint> red-raven_: do you see anything that you dont want installed? <red-raven_> i dont knwo what these packages are, so idk.... <stlsaint> red-raven_: are you install from the repos? <red-raven_> im just getting flightgear from synaptic. <stlsaint> red-raven_: well then you are safe to install <red-raven_> ok thx. <stlsaint> red-raven_: anything from the ubuntu repos are safe. Its when you go adding untrusted ppa's that you must be weary about ;) <red-raven_> stlsaint : so what is the purpose of the ubot2 on this chat? <akshatj> red-raven_, ubot2 is a bot <stlsaint> red-raven_: just a bot with various functions <red-raven_> ok. what can he do? <akshatj> !ubottu | red-raven_ <ubot2> red-raven_: Hi! I'm #ubuntu-beginners's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi | Usage info: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins | Bot channels and general info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots <stlsaint> one hour till new years <red-raven_> its 2011 here. <stlsaint> red-raven_: where are you? <red-raven_> Florida. <red-raven_> USA <akshatj> @now Florida <stlsaint> oh yea thats right <red-raven_> the bot is cool, but can hardly be called intellegent. <akshatj> >.< <red-raven_> where are you from> <red-raven_> ?* <stlsaint> TEXAS <stlsaint> had to capitalize cause everything is bigger in texas * stlsaint goes to study apt <stlsaint> red-raven_: there are a few niffty flight programs in the repos <stlsaint> red-raven_: run in terminal: apt-cache search flight <red-raven_> there's a lot. <red-raven_> but FlightGear only has 9 minutes left. dont know how i will keep my computer on after my parents make me go to bed.... <nit-wit> google earth has a flight simulator, probably not as nice as the programs designed just for that <stlsaint> anyone use vnc here? <stlsaint> exit <stlsaint> opps <stlsaint> meant that for terminal <black> Hey. I'll be on as red in a min. <nit-wit> black, tunneled out of the parental units control eh.:) <red-raven> Hey im back. is anyone else still here? <nit-wit> we have been waiting your return <red-raven> lol. so whats up? <nit-wit> red-raven, you got the parental units tied up now or just escaped their grasp <red-raven> better. shut my laptop and out it under the bed. <red-raven> puy* <red-raven> put* <nit-wit> red-raven, I remember when was a little younger then you had a walkie talkie, and did the same, long before computers <red-raven> lol. oh how it all changed. when i was born, we barely had windows.... now we have ipod touches and laptops. <red-raven> flight gear is done in the oven. time to take it for a spin. <nit-wit> red-raven, do you have a game controller <red-raven> no.... i can do with a keyboard. <nit-wit> cool <red-raven> yup. i loved the old tech-ed flight sim. before they cut tech ed... <red-raven> ok flight gear is impossibly hard to use. <stlsaint> W00T W00!!!! HAPPY NEW YEARS FOR ME NOW!!! <stlsaint> red-raven: lol <stlsaint> red-raven: all that time to download <red-raven> yahhhhhhhhhhh......... <stlsaint> red-raven: are you new to linux? <red-raven> ... haven't we gone over this? <stlsaint> red-raven: lol <stlsaint> i thought that as soon as i entered it <stlsaint> but i thought i was talking to someone else earlier <red-raven> oh ok. so you know any good games i should try? <stlsaint> alien arena tends is a hot game within this team <stlsaint> opps, minus the "tends" word in there <pizza_the_hut> happy new year! <red-raven> oh ok cool. ill take a look. <red-raven> fist, how do i get rid of flight gear? <MrAnthrope> Are you talking about native games? <red-raven> you mean built in ones? <MrAnthrope> native means it was meant to run for Linux. <MrAnthrope> I play Dungeons and Dragons Online through a program called wine which emulates windows. DDO wasn't meant to run on Linux, but it works. <red-raven> idk if flightgear was. it was in synaptic. <MrAnthrope> Yeah that's native. <red-raven> you use wine? <MrAnthrope> synaptic is for linux programs :) <MrAnthrope> I also play Guild Wars through wine. <red-raven> ok cool. so how do i trash it? <MrAnthrope> synaptic? You don't wanna do that. o.o <red-raven> no flightgear. the game. <MrAnthrope> Oh you want to uninstall the game? Same thing you did to install it. <head_victim> red-raven: to remove a program via synaptic right click on it and select the option "mark for removal" or "mark for complete removal" <stlsaint> red-raven: go to synaptic package manager and search for: flightgear <red-raven> ok cool thx! <head_victim> THe complete option also removes any configuration files you have for the program. <MrAnthrope> What they said. :) <stlsaint> red-raven: yea what head_victim said <MrAnthrope> lol <red-raven> what about all the different individual packages? <holstein> hunt them down and remove them if you want <holstein> reclaim that 250k ;) <stlsaint> lol <red-raven> must i? <holstein> wont hurt to leave 'em <stlsaint> red-raven: no <red-raven> can they do anything? <MrAnthrope> You can run a system cleanup that will remove files that you don't need like that. <MrAnthrope> But you don't need to do it now. <Roydaman2> can anyone help me delete a file that needs root permissions through terminal?? <MrAnthrope> Do it after you've gone through 50 games lol <stlsaint> red-raven: ubuntu will get remove them if they are un-needed, or it will tell you to run the command: sudo apt-get autoremove #this command *cleans* unused packages from your system that are left behind <MrAnthrope> Roydaman2 what are you deleting? <stlsaint> Roydaman2: what you need deleted? (if it needs root it doesnt need to be deleted!!!) <MrAnthrope> Exactly. <Roydaman2> i have 2 installations of zorin one is 23 the other is 24 <Roydaman2> i want to delete the 23 <red-raven> so it will take care of it? <MrAnthrope> Oh ok. You need to use the word sudo before the command to delete it in the terminal and then it will require you to put in your password. <stlsaint> Roydaman2: well you dont need to delete a file. You need to remove a program? <stlsaint> red-raven: yes <red-raven> thank you ubuntu! windows wouldn't have done that. <Roydaman2> stlsaint: no i found where the file is but it says i need to be logged in as root to do it <stlsaint> red-raven: no, no it would not have :D <Roydaman2> i guess i really just need to know the command to delete in term. <stlsaint> Roydaman2: hrm, now due to my better judgement of helping someone delete a file that needs root when the person doesnt know what root is i will help you <MrAnthrope> lol <Roydaman2> cuz in pretty sure it would be sudo command filename <Roydaman2> i know what root is <stlsaint> Roydaman2: you need to use the sudo command before the remove command and the file name... <stlsaint> Roydaman2: sure sure ;) <Roydaman2> i do its like the top dog user acct <stlsaint> Roydaman2: example: sudo rm -rf /path/to/file <MrAnthrope> Something highly dangerous, but slightly easier is to do sudo nautilus and it will open a window as root and you can just navigate to the folder and hit the delete key. <stlsaint> MrAnthrope: no no no <MrAnthrope> lol :) * stlsaint shakes head <MrAnthrope> But it's not recommended. <stlsaint> MrAnthrope: lol, little to dangerous in this situation <MrAnthrope> Yup! <Roydaman2> MrAnthrope: that is perfect ill try that <MrAnthrope> lmfao <Roydaman2> hahaha im sure itll be ok * stlsaint palmtoface <Roydaman2> i think <MrAnthrope> Just be very very careful! <stlsaint> Roydaman2: doing that in that manner can cause system crashing outcome <Roydaman2> vmlinuz-2.6.35-23-generic <Roydaman2> thats the file <MrAnthrope> If he deletes the wrong folder. But I think he understands which folder he's after. <Roydaman2> but i also have 24 generic * stlsaint O_O <stlsaint> Roydaman2: are you aware of what that is? * MrAnthrope isn't. <MrAnthrope> virtual machine? <Roydaman2> i only want to delete it from the boot folder so grub doesnt see it <Roydaman2> initrd.img-2.6.35-23-generic < and this one <holstein> say what you want about http://ubuntu-tweak.com/ <holstein> but there is an easy way to remove kernels in there <Roydaman2> and the config-2.6.35-23-generic <holstein> and a PPA purge that i use <stlsaint> holstein: i like tweak <MrAnthrope> !PPA <ubot2> A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and should be used at your own risk. <MrAnthrope> I use Ubuntu-tweak. <holstein> stlsaint: seems to get talked down <holstein> i think its handy <holstein> hasnt borked anything for me yet <stlsaint> Roydaman2: lets get some knowledge so we make educated decisions: http://www.linfo.org/vmlinuz.html <stlsaint> holstein: it never borked for me ;) <holstein> :) <Roydaman2> so if i had a question about MAC OS X could you maybe help with that?? i dont think its really technical but might be anyway it will not recognize my mouse/keyboard <MrAnthrope> Dual booting? <Roydaman2> yea well triple <MrAnthrope> heh <Roydaman2> XP Zorin and OS X <MrAnthrope> what is xp zorin? <Roydaman2> new to linux tho but i like what i have seen so far <red-raven> he means winows xp and zorin <Roydaman2> windows XP, Zorin and MAC OS X <MrAnthrope> commas. :P <Roydaman2> forgot the , <MrAnthrope> Never heard of Zorin. <Roydaman2> its an ubuntu dist. <MrAnthrope> ah. <red-raven> its a linux disro right? <red-raven> oh nvm. <red-raven> whats its speciality? <Roydaman2> red-raven: from what i read its good for beginners that are coming from windows <Roydaman2> or at least thats what distro-watch says <red-raven> ubuntu seems like windows enough for beginners.... <Roydaman2> yea other than learning the commands for term. its pretty easy also <Roydaman2> i was going to use pclinuxos but its not compatible with my video card <MrAnthrope> http://www.zorin-os.webs.com/ says it's to help windows users migrate from Windows to Linux. It even has an option to make everything look and act like windows. <Roydaman2> or chipset <MrAnthrope> or mac osx if you prefer. <MrAnthrope> Which you can do to Ubuntu with a little tweaking. <MrAnthrope> I prefer gnome, myself. <stlsaint> zorin is based on ubuntu <stlsaint> thats about all i know <Roydaman2> right mines actually a mix of both which is sweet <MrAnthrope> I couldn't live without Compiz, I think. <Roydaman2> while on the subject what r the differences between gnome KDE and the other one <MrAnthrope> From what I can tell gnome works and the other two don't :) <Roydaman2> hahaha i see <stlsaint> lol <Roydaman2> well from what i read i gathered there just different desktops?? <stlsaint> Roydaman2: you just have to give each a try to see which one you like best <MrAnthrope> Not desktop wallpapers. Different as in how Windows XP and Windows 7 are different desktops. <stlsaint> Roydaman2: each desktop environment will come with a set of applications that are different <Roydaman2> right i couldve been a little more specific <Roydaman2> so like windows XP home or office or media?? <MrAnthrope> eh. kinda, yeah. <MrAnthrope> They behave slightly differently. <stlsaint> each environment will command different resource usage, applications, desktop layout, etc etc <Roydaman2> ok i see well from what i read i think it was zorin that can use all 3 so maybe ill DL the others and burn some live DVD's <MrAnthrope> I think KDE is slightly more resource heavy, right? <MrAnthrope> Probably one of the reasons it doesn't work on this computer. <stlsaint> Roydaman2: you cant burn a desktop environment to a cd <Roydaman2> really?? <stlsaint> Roydaman2: if you dont mind installing some meta-packages you can just install the desktop environments right onto your system <stlsaint> Roydaman2: then at your login page you can choose which environment you want to use <stlsaint> gnome,lxde,kde,etc <MrAnthrope> Yeah it's like no work at all installing extra desktops. <Roydaman2> ok i see <MrAnthrope> Couldn't you make an iso of ubuntu with the KDE desktop on it and burn that to a cd and run it as a live cd? <Roydaman2> i was wrong it was pclinuxos <MrAnthrope> That would be hella work, but you could do it right? <Roydaman2> http://www.pclinuxos.com/?page_id=10 <stlsaint> MrAnthrope: yes, but you will have gnome AND kde <Roydaman2> just curious y do they offer it in the different ways like that?? <MrAnthrope> lol :) <MrAnthrope> Offer what in what different ways? <Roydaman2> o in the link * MrAnthrope clicks. <stlsaint> Roydaman2: because that what makes linux distros <stlsaint> Roydaman2: linux is the kernel, ubuntu is the linux kernel with the gnome desktop, kubuntu is the linux kernel with the kde desktop, etc etc <stlsaint> of course certain applications added along with each individual distro <Roydaman2> ok ok i get it now <MrAnthrope> Yeah, like how Red Hat Linux is a different version of Linux than Ubuntu. they're called distributions or "distros". <Roydaman2> so they did that so they could basically save their consumer time and hassle <MrAnthrope> They all run on Linux, at their core. <MrAnthrope> But they behave differently. <MrAnthrope> Yeah it's like pre-set up a certain way. <MrAnthrope> They really don't go into detail on that link, it just says "depending on your needs". <MrAnthrope> LXDE is the 'lite' version for older PCs, I know. <MrAnthrope> Gnome is default <3 <Roydaman2> i get it, i was told that a person could download a distro, make a few changes like add some packages and wallpapers et. then remaster the splash and redist. as their own version?? <MrAnthrope> That's what free software
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