#kubuntu-devel 2005-05-02 * Riddell does kde security patch <markc> is anyone alive and could help me with some debian-installer advice ? <uniq> markc: what is the problem? (not that i'm a d-i guru.. but you never know) <markc> uniq> is pressed/file=/cdrom/pressed meant to be a file ? <markc> preseed <uniq> sorry, I don't know. <markc> the example I've seen mentions /cdrom/preseed but there is a /preseed folder on the liveCD <markc> np, I've got a reasonable remaster worked out but I'm held up with a few d-i issues <markc> I can't get qemu or uml to work so I'm stuck burning coasters = boring :) <markc> would you happen to have any idea how I could completely get rid of sudo ? <uniq> 2sec. mom on the phone. <uniq> there.. <markc> heh, some things _are_ important :) <uniq> get rid of.. I don't know if thats such a good idea.. to remove.. anyway.. atleast check that the applications you install don't require it. <uniq> but wouldn't 'apt-get --purge remove sudo' remove it? <markc> not sure how to check that... short of doing it and blow another cd and see what happens... done... I'll know in half an hour I guess... and I'll try a different preseed target and see if that works <markc> uniq> oh yeah, that will remove it but I'm not sure how much of the liveCD user install depends on it <uniq> ahh.. i don't know either.. <markc> I've thrown a bunch of custom settings into /etc/skel, and that mostly works okay <markc> .kde settings that is <markc> there were a couple of hoary-seccurity kde-* packages just come thru so another coaster is worth seeing if they work okay anyway <dato> http://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/2005/04/msg00205.html <markc> dpkg --force-overwrite is a workaround but I guess whoever makes the package should fix it <uniq> riddell:do you have edit access on kubuntu.org ? - would be great if you added a link to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27944 under where to get help. <markc> so, removing sudo was maybe not such a good idea :) ... but at least the preseed/file worked and I have a static route, and no questions during bootup, one step forward, one step back <uniq> heh.. greeat :) <uniq> everything but sudo.. anyway :) <markc> oops, wrong keyboard... indeed, it sucks <uniq> i'm trying to get used to sudo now.. <uniq> it's hard. <markc> I find it hard to say anything good about the sudo strategy... but that's partly why I am doing a remastered livecd, to get rid of it <uniq> heh.. what is wrong with it? <markc> mostly I am not used to it but it also stuffs up the setting up of custom user settings... but that may be because I have never used sudo so I just don't know how to workaround it... just easier if it wasn't being used <markc> as it is now, removing sudo seems o have prevented any kicker applets (start menu) from starting, but all else seems okay <markc> cd /etc/init.d <markc> oops again :) <uniq> sudo isn't that bad actually. <ubuntu> hello markc, fancy meeting you here <markc> ah, it's my other self on the liveCD talking to me... at least konversation works :) <ubuntu> and via a preseeded auto install on a fixed IP no less! <markc> heh, I've never done that before :) <uniq> heh.. preseed is the default settings or something? <markc> yeah, for the d-i tuff, at least you can create a file and put some settings in it... any debconf settings, and the installer will jump over some questions with the defaults you've setup in the preseed file <ubuntu> hehe, now I've dialed in via a modem... so kppp is working okay too <markc> aside from no kicker applets, everything seems to be working... and this is quite a heavily modified liveCD... lots of a/v stuff added <ubuntu> asidewell mr markc, nice seeing you again... bye <markc> wow, I'm streaming an mp3 to kaffeine.. sound works! <markc> uniq> do you happen to have skype... and bored by any chance ? :) <uniq> no, sorry.. haven't signed up there yet.. <uniq> does skype for linux support artsd by any chance? <uniq> .. on amd64.. heh.. <markc> uniq> yes, I think so... I'm using it on amd64 and it's working okay via alsa and a sblive card... when I get arts to work, that is <markc> http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-deb <markc> damn, if I had 4 ears I could sign up for another account and talk to myself I guess :) <uniq> oh.. I don't have a microphone either :/ <markc> woops, heh <markc> heh, skype on this livecd is working <uniq> :) <markc> yeah well I can only talk to myself for so long... pretty cool as it's on cheap hardware with only 256mb of ram, and the video card is taking 32mb... and the vesa fram buffer is currently doing 1280x1024... on a 15" monitor! #kubuntu-devel 2005-05-05 <motaboy> Hi all! <motaboy> Is there anyone? :D <uniq_> hi. <uniq_> slightly delayed :) #kubuntu-devel 2005-05-06 <SlackShrike> How to create ubuntu from scratch ? I am like a kubuntu.iso in my house ! <SlackShrike> please <Riddell> motaboy: we're around, but busy conferencing <motaboy> Riddell: koffice is ready. :D But I cannot put it on for the ssh problem. <Riddell> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuRoadmap <Riddell> if anyone has anything to add <Riddell> oh yes, I've asked them to remove the ssh firewall <motaboy> Riddell: thanks <uniq_> hello guys. <Riddell> hello uniq_ <uniq_> what's up? <uniq_> what's the deal with hoary-updates, is that just for main, or do we have a universe-hoary-updates too? <uniq_> s/or/if that is the case/ <Riddell> yet to find out <uniq_> ok. <Riddell> wonder who I should ask <uniq_> I have a few packages i'd like to put into a "hoary-universe-update"-repository somewhere.. krusader and aterm for starters. <Riddell> suspect they should just go into breezy <uniq_> yes, that's what i'm thinking too.. <AndreH> has anyone tried using kdevelop and the qt-designer? I want to edit a cpp file in the qt-designer, but I get the following error: "there is no plugin for editing c++ code installed" <AndreH> but kdevelop3-plugins is installed <KaiL_> anymody already tried a VIA K8T890 or nForce 4 Mainboard (means pci-express..)? <KaiL_> oops, wrong window * netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> tolkien.freenode.net #kubuntu-devel 2005-05-08 <Speedy2> Hey all. Can anyone detail what changes are made between the "raw" KDE 3.4 release and the Kubuntu version? <amu> hmm if you read the logfiles, could be 1 way, well it takes days to explain it :) <amu> logfile==changelogs <Speedy2> amu: Where is this changelog located? <amu> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/changelogs/pool/main/ <Speedy2> I'm just curious if any core changes have been made, or if they have been cosmetic, such as the graphic image, etc <Speedy2> Hrm <amu> well some of them are done ... some of them are still in progress ... <Speedy2> I see kdelibs, but only 3.3.2 <Speedy2> amu: Well, my preference is to get as close as to a RAW KDE 3.4 setup as possible <Speedy2> (i.e. I prefer minimal amount of changes) <Speedy2> But I wanted to understand what changes were made. <dato> Speedy2: http://packages.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/ <amu> hmm you're right, mvo do the changelogs, you can ask him directly <dato> amu: see url above :) <amu> dato: .oO ic ;) <Speedy2> Hrm. Looks like mostly cosmetic changes <Riddell> Speedy2: sudo support is the most core change <Speedy2> Hey there Riddell <Speedy2> Riddell: Understood. Support for things like a USB pen-drive being plugged-in and appearing on desktop, that just makes use of KDE's HAL and so-on? <Riddell> yes <Speedy2> Cool. <Riddell> very early draft of the roadmap: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuRoadmap <Speedy2> Riddell: Thanks a lot, that was really really informative. <Speedy2> System Preferences from Ben Meyer (IceFox) is really damn cool looking. If I'm not mistaken, I think he gets a lot of his inspiration from OS X :) <Riddell> yes he does :) <Speedy2> Is that an actual program or just a mock up? <Speedy2> I guess I could ask Ben... <Speedy2> Riddell: Small issue on that roadmap: "better menu hormony GNOME-KDE" <Speedy2> I'm assuming you meant "harmony" :) <Riddell> Speedy2: it's an actualy program, I had it working once but it doesn't want to work just now <Riddell> Speedy2: I'm still proofreading it :) <Riddell> then it has to be edited by the editor dudes then approved by the important canonical dudes <Riddell> then profit! <Speedy2> ;) <Speedy2> drop an 'm' and an 'o' and the meaning really changes. <Speedy2> I hear that business is profitable! <amu> s/profit/world domination <Riddell> "Kubuntu Breezy comes with world peace included" <amu> "powered by Pope BENEDICTVM XVI" <KaiL> maybe interesting for ubuntu: http://dot.kde.org/1114349315/ <KaiL> an MS Access replacement... <Riddell> hmm, we don't seem to have knoda packaged <Riddell> it's still in pre-beta <Riddell> as is kexi <Riddell> we should look at them both and work out if one is usable <KaiL> are there plans to add matrox' "mtx"-Module to linux-restricted-modules? <Riddell> never heard of it, you'd have to ask ubuntu <KaiL> btw. what I've seen as doing support in #kubuntu the screen detection is the most problematic point on install <Riddell> interesting. there's been some BoFs about that here but I've not gone to any <KaiL> BoFs? <Riddell> I think what's needed is a config tool to be able to fix that manualls (without editing xong.conf by hand) but daniels doesn't like that <Riddell> birds of feather meeting, this ubuntu conference is based around small meetings of people interested in topics <KaiL> ah <KaiL> the best would be, if we could depend on Xorg own DDC detection and only enhance this (with a fallback, after which the user gets asked ;) <Riddell> enhanced detection is what they want <KaiL> and there the user only needs to select resolution + refreshrate from a list, as in the medium level in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg :) <KaiL> if you can avoid writing the information to xorg.conf, changing the screen is more easy <KaiL> btw. do you know, why hotplug doesn't handle AGP devices? <KaiL> or is that only a leftover from sarge here? <Riddell> AGP == accelarated graphics port? can you hotplug that? <KaiL> hotplug also handles the driver loading on boot ;) <Riddell> ah right. not sure, I havn't been to the hotplug BoFs either :) <Riddell> that sort of thing needs to be taken up with the relevant ubuntu developers <KaiL> on sarge you see a nice "PCI-ID 1:00:00 ignored, on ubuntu you "only" see that the module isn't loaded later <KaiL> PCI-ID 01:00.0.. <Speedy2> Using DDC can be problematic for displays using a BNC cable <Speedy2> (i.e. no DB-15) <Speedy2> The frustrating part is that normally the X configuration tools will ask you a sync range, instead of asking you to specify a vertical refresh rate <Speedy2> How these things can be arcane in 2005 is beyond me. <Riddell> BNC cable cable? like ethernet thinnet? <Speedy2> Sort of <Speedy2> Higher end CRTs will have BNC inputs <Speedy2> Seperate inputs for R,G,B and H-Sync & V-Sync <Speedy2> No DDC in that case <Riddell> don't they have VGA? <Speedy2> VGA == Red, Green, Blue + Hsync + Vsync <Speedy2> The DDC stuff was added on to some unused pins <Speedy2> For instance, the monitor I have, Mitsubishi DiamondPro 900u has DB-15 and BNC inputs <Speedy2> If I hook it up via BNC, DDC detection fails and the stupid xconfig or xf86config or whatever puts it to 60 Hz. <Speedy2> I say put an "advanced" option where the user can specify the resolution, refresh rate and ask the monitor size to calculate the DPI #kubuntu-devel 2005-05-10 <cartel_> wow almost noone here <Riddell> cartel_: me an amu are both at the conference so we do this talking thing <tabmoW> anyone get kubuntu just stopping on the boot after 'scsi [success] ' <Riddell> scsi seems like a strange output, wonder what it's for #kubuntu-devel 2005-05-11 <ghetek1> im sorry to bother with a support question but nobody knows in any other irc room. I'm on an imac, i dont know what type but i know its a slot loader. i put in the live cd but it doesnt give me a gui. it says it has problems finding my display. any help would be much appreciated #kubuntu-devel 2005-05-12 * #kubuntu-devel [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup <chmj> morning <chmj> anyone packaging pykde ? <crimsun> not that I'm aware <insanekane> aha #kubuntu-devel 2005-05-13 <crimsun> any objections if I upload superkaramba_0.36 to breezy/universe? <Riddell> crimsun: not at all <crimsun> Riddell: thanks. Test-building on amd64 now. <JRe> lo #kubuntu-devel 2005-05-14 <tezza> anyone around from the dev team? * Beineri has a problem with Kubuntu as a project... <Beineri> ... the obviously complete missing of dealing with any release relevant bugs/user problems. <Beineri> How many days does the kdelibs-data update now don't install? <Beineri> Do you think it's funny that users exchange scripts on the lists how to work-around that? :-| #kubuntu-devel 2005-05-15 <uniq> is the kdelibs-data+knetworkconf conflict beeing handled.. or is it at hold? <Riddell> uniq: I've uploaded a new package knetworkconf to hoary-updates <Riddell> the trouble is nobody seems to know what happens with packages uploaded to hoary-updates <uniq> heh.. ok. <uniq> what's the versionnumber of your upload? <uniq> 0.6.1-3ubuntu2 is the source i got from hoary-updates. <Riddell> same as current with -svn20050506 on it #kubuntu-devel 2005-05-16 <JRe> hello <JRe> i have made a package of the suggested list, where can i put him as it can be tested ? <JRe> on my website? <uniq> put them on your website.. and make a link to it from your wiki or one of the wikis. <uniq> KubuntuSuggestedPackages <uniq> ie. <JRe> oki <JRe> thanx ;) #kubuntu-devel 2005-05-17 <cartel_> hey all <cartel_> where is the list of all work that needs to be done for breezy <KaiL> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals this? <cartel_> hmm not that one <KaiL> not to mention it misses one point: <KaiL> "give KaiL some silly hardware, he can use for testing" :) <Riddell> hello JRe <JRe> hello ;) <JRe> i have made the debian package for katapult <Riddell> just testing <Riddell> however dpkg doesn't like it, needs newer versions of libc and qt <JRe> dependency problem on kubuntu? <Riddell> JRe: did you make it in hoary? <JRe> nop in debian sid <Riddell> that would be the problem then <JRe> yeah i think ;) <JRe> i am installing kubuntu hoary <JRe> and i willl re package it specially for kubuntu <JRe> this soft rocks! <JRe> it can be a useful alternative to kooldock * Riddell wonders what kooldock is <JRe> it's a soft to have dock icons in kde, like in mac os x <JRe> http://ktown.kde.cl/kooldock/ <Riddell> eww <JRe> http://ktown.kde.cl/kooldock/shots.php <JRe> it's very funny but still buggy <JRe> did you have feedback from katapult author i send him a mail too ;) <JRe> ?? <JRe> he must not stop the development ;) <Riddell> have you got katapult to work? I could never get it to launch a program <JRe> yeah under debian it works pretty well <JRe> pretty stable for a 0.2 <Riddell> I wonder what I'm doing wrong <JRe> don't worry i am going to make a kubuntu package <JRe> what name must i give to the program directory ? <JRe> katapult-0.2ubuntu <JRe> ??? <Riddell> chroot if your friend http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebootstrapChroot <Riddell> no just katapult-0.2 <Riddell> version the package katapult-0.2-2ubuntu1 <Riddell> or katapult-0.2-2ubuntu0.1 for the test ones <JRe> okay <JRe> the debian way except for the version <Riddell> yes <JRe> ;) <JRe> if i install the hoary deboot strap i will be able to have a virtual hoary structure under debian? <JRe> with chroot <JRe> ? <Riddell> that's the idea <Riddell> it works well <JRe> okay <JRe> but ther version of the libs/programs will not stille match? <Riddell> doesn't matter <Riddell> it'll match within the chroot <JRe> okay <JRe> i understand <JRe> i must give a try <JRe> you have kubuntu or debian? <Riddell> kubuntu of course <JRe> ;) <JRe> stable or testing? <JRe> (testing of course?) <Riddell> stable hoary just now, breezy is going to be abumpy ride <JRe> i think i will soon replace debian by kubuntu on my laptop it will be easier to made kubuntu packages ;) <Riddell> yay :) <JRe> and i'll be able to test kde 3.4 ;) ;) ;) <JRe> (i could have done thaht on debian but i don't want to put the experimental packages) <JRe> what is the kernel version in hoary? <Riddell> >uname -a <Riddell> Linux pechin3 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux <JRe> thx ;) <JRe> koooool it's a 2.6.10 :) <JRe> hello ;) <JRe> it's donne Riddel i am under kubuntu <KaiL> try with 2 l, then he get's a highlight <Riddell> JRe: rocking <Riddell> JRe: install or chroot? <JRe> it was pretty much simple to install than debian ;) <JRe> install <JRe> the default theme is very nice! <JRe> i will try to buil the katapult paquet now <JRe> for kubuntu <Riddell> cool <Riddell> I'm going shopping, back in a bit <JRe> ok ;) good shopping <JRe> how there have forgotten that there was no gcc <JRe> by default ;) <JRe> i have forgotten <Riddell> apt-get install build-essential <JRe> ;) <JRe> okay i am compiling katapult <JRe> by the way i have tried the tips to find depencies using strace and confiugure (cf maint-guide) and it does not work <JRe> okay Riddell the package is now working on kubuntu <JRe> i upload it on my homepage <Riddell> JRe: please <JRe> what is default ftp clien in kubuntu? <Riddell> konqueror <JRe> okay <KaiL> Riddell: your kdelibs-data is now in breezy... <KaiL> installed here, and what do I see? my /etc/kderc disappearing again :( <Riddell> yes, I and can see why, there's rm -f /etc/kderc in the preinstall script, how evil <Riddell> well fortunatly there's a security issue in kdelibs coming out soon so I can fix it then <KaiL> sometimes it's that easy.. <JRe> Riddel: http://jr.falleri.free.fr/fichiers/katapult_0.2-1_i386.deb <JRe> it should work ;) <KaiL> should? remembers me of Windows XP ;) <JRe> ;) <JRe> okay it must work ;) <Riddell> JRe: woo! it works <JRe> unless you have done some rm -rf in /usr/lib <Riddell> that thing is the goodness <JRe> cool program no? <JRe> i use it everyday now <Riddell> JRe: can you upload the .orig .diff and .dsc <JRe> yeah but i have not correctly fullfilled the description, etc... <Riddell> ah well best do that first then <JRe> okay ;) <Riddell> that systray applet is annoying, completely unnecessary <JRe> howerver how i change the versio? <JRe> in the chanlog entriy? <Riddell> yes, version is set by changelog <Riddell> call is 0.2-0ubuntu0.1 <JRe> okay <Riddell> KaiL: back in hoary? <KaiL_hoary> this is my K6-2 <KaiL_hoary> with a clean hoary on it <KaiL> 1 table, 2 Computers :) <KaiL> so I can find bugs in breezy AND still help hoary users <Riddell> now that's dedication <JRe> Riddel there is no man page <KaiL_hoary> write one :p <JRe> no needs no specific options <JRe> i just need the standard kde manpage <Riddell> manpages are required by debian policy <JRe> yeah but i can use the standard kde apps man page <JRe> i know i have read debian-policy <JRe> where can i find the standard man page you know with kde -help-qt --help-all etc... <JRe> ??? <Riddell> never seen such a thing <JRe> ;) <KaiL> look at man:/konversation <KaiL> there's not much more <JRe> i will copy the one of konversation <KaiL> only remove the scripting block <KaiL> and fix the stuff below ;) <Riddell> JRe: you should give it a proper .desktop file in /usr/share/applications <KaiL> hmm, shouldn't nvidia-glx ask on install, if you want to activate it? <JRe> there is not? <JRe> i have seen one in utilities <JRe> ow there is no description <Riddell> JRe: there's an incomplete one in /usr/share/applnk <JRe> it's that? <JRe> okay <Riddell> needs a description and should be in /usr/share/applications/kde <JRe> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> <JRe> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> <JRe> <head> <JRe> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /> <JRe> <meta name="Generator" content="Kate, the KDE Advanced Text Editor" /> <JRe> </head> <JRe> <body> <JRe> <pre> <JRe> <span style='color: #800000'>shelldesktopdir </span><span style='color: #dd0000'>= </span><span style='color: #ff00ff'>$(</span><span style='color: #800000'>kde_appsdir</span><span style='color: #ff00ff'>)</span><span style='color: #dd0000'>/Utilities</span></pre></body> <JRe> </html> <JRe> oups sorry <KaiL_hoary> spammer :p <JRe> shelldesktopdir = $(kde_appsdir)/Utilities <= it's not the correct place? <Riddell> JRe: no, that's for the old menu standard <JRe> okay ;) <JRe> there is a new constant to name it? <Riddell> xdg_menu_dir or something <Riddell> should be in every other KDE app <JRe> okay sorry i will check an other package <KaiL|hoary> uhm, reconnect? <allee> JRe: hint kdemangen.pl (I'm late I know ;) <Riddell> breezy kickoff meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 45 minutes <KaiL> hell, always such long channelnames ;) <haggai> Riddell: thanks for the info <Riddell> meeting now <hunger> Hey, there really is a kubuntu-devel;-) <hunger> Just guessed that there ought to be one. <Riddell> welcome along :) <Riddell> it's kept top secret so only clever people work it out <Riddell> hunger: going to become a MOTU? <hunger> Riddell: You failed! Or I wouldn't be here. <hunger> Riddell: No plans so far... <hunger> Riddell: I got little time on my hands... currently a bit more than usually though. <hunger> But I am willing to test whatever you can throw at me;-) <hunger> Lots of stuff they want to get into breezy... I wonder how kubuntu will keep up. <Riddell> would help if KDE had any kind of release plan... <hunger> Riddell: That is something for a business, not for a huge fun-project;-) <Riddell> what's the business? <hunger> Riddell: release plans, etc... that sounds very business like. <Riddell> KDE's always had release plans http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/ <hunger> Riddell: The kde guys I met so far are more "lets all sit together and have some fun coding" kind of guys (even when dressed up in suits;-) <Riddell> but now there is none, makes it hard to plan kubuntu when there's no KDE plan <allee> Riddel: My 'worries' are not so much when does KDE and therefore Kununtu release ... <allee> Riddell: In meeting lot's of gui stuff is mentioned and will be coded. So how do 'we' integrate the 'new' brezy infrastructure into KDE? <Riddell> we code like mad to make qt front ends for every gtk front end <hunger> allee: Neither are mine... I am wondering how all the cool stuff will be implemented. <hunger> allee: I <Riddell> but I suspect kubuntu will always lag ubuntu in such respects allee <allee> I had a look into the bluetooth and networkmagic stuff no matching KDE thingy yet that can be used 'as is' <hunger> If they stick everything into the UI apps then there is little to salvage for kubuntu. <Riddell> allee: kbluetooth? <hunger> allee: Most of the networkmagic could be done below the gui... <allee> Yeah, kdebluetooth is good but lacking all the integration (yet). Makebe mutoman will/can help <hunger> allee: Then that would only need to configure things and read a couple of stats from somewhere... <Riddell> kdebluetooth works where gnome's stuff doesn't <allee> hunger: agreed, but you need a GUI that fits on the 'networkmagic' work. <hunger> allee: I can get by without;-) <hunger> allee: If I configure with a editor or something... I just hope thom will do the right thing. <allee> hunger: he, he. I (can and do) without GUI. But you and me is then not the 'average kunbuntu user' <hunger> allee: Well, I am egozentric: I do think of myself first. <allee> hunger: my users kill we, when I do it like you ;) <hunger> allee: So would mine if I'd tell them;-) <allee> Riddell: will you amu, haggai and ??? monitor the breezy topic that will need UI stuff? <Riddell> allee: certainly will <allee> or any suggestion, how best to monitor this stuff? subscribing to ubuntu-devel is too much traffic :( <allee> Riddell: will you update KubuntuRoadmap or something else so everyone interested in Kunbutu can check what's needed? <Riddell> allee: start a wiki page <Riddell> I think the specs (like KubuntuRoadmap) are frozen <allee> Ah frozen (saw UDU wiki today the first time) <hunger> allee: They do hide their secrets well, these ubuntu people;-) <Riddell> it has been in the /topic of #kubuntu for the last week <allee> Riddell: I (can) only look at #kunbutu if allee bluetooth or digikam are mentioned :( <allee> allee: IRC easily eats all free time ;) <hunger> ksysguard reports my system to run at its max. frequency. /sys claims it isen't. Who got it wrong? <Riddell> presumably max frequency is the default <hunger> Riddell: ksysguard did report the proper values recently. <hunger> Riddell: (before powernowd broke). <KaiL> hunger: go back to 0.90 :) <hunger> KaiL: 0.90? <KaiL> old powernowd <KaiL> here ksysguard shows 1GHz, /proc/cpuinfo too <KaiL> and powernowd is alive ;) <hunger> KaiL: powernowd works here as well again (after switching the kernel or turning of HT) <KaiL> but not ksysguard shows the max clock? <KaiL> eh, now.. <hunger> KaiL: Maybe ksysguard got stuck on max clock since it had to show that for the last couple of days due to the broken powernowd. <KaiL> lol <hunger> KaiL: I think I trust the kernel more than a kde tool;-) <KaiL> afaik the kde tool only reads the kernel info... <hunger> KaiL: And my fans tell me that the kernel is not lieing to me:-) <hunger> KaiL: Looks like it does not anymore. <KaiL> uhm, HT.. it's a P4 switching from 2.6 to 3.x GHz? <hunger> KaiL: Well, I updated a couple of min. ago. There were some KDE packages... maybe something broke. <hunger> KaiL: It is a p4 lauren32@example.com... <KaiL> P4 mobile? <hunger> KaiL: Nope. <hunger> KaiL: Biggest mistake I ever made: Never get a non-mobile P4 laptop! <KaiL> you can switch the P4 so far down? wow <hunger> KaiL: My coworkers actually call my laptop "the fold-up tower". <KaiL> LOL <KaiL> seams to be some "half-mobile-P4" <hunger> KaiL: It is close to 5kg... nuff said. <KaiL> the real desktop-P4 can't go below 2.6Ghz afaik <KaiL> hmm, 17"? :) <hunger> KaiL: Well, it does here. <hunger> KaiL: Nope, only 15.4" <KaiL> normally those are <3kg.. <hunger> KaiL: And they forgot the batteries too... added a emergency power supply only... <hunger> KaiL: 45min without power and the box shuts down. <KaiL> lol * Riddell sleeps <KaiL> as my Gericom laptop with a Celeron 433 from 1998 <hunger> KaiL: ... and never get the idea of actually using the P4 either... <hunger> KaiL: The laptop will shut down then to protect the cpu from burning out. <KaiL> less expensive for the vendor.. <haggai> Riddell: sleep?? now? <KaiL> haggai: it's late evening in europe <haggai> KaiL: which means Riddell is just getting going :) <hunger> KaiL: Well, my boss told me the vendor I had to buy from... and this was the only box with a decent resolution. <KaiL> you mean normally geeks now awake? ;) <haggai> Riddell & I are in the same timezone but don't normally sleep at the same time <KaiL> hunger: which vendor makes such crap? <KaiL> and why does your boss like that so much? <hunger> KaiL: Bullman... <hunger> KaiL: Dunno. <hunger> KaiL: He does not like it so much anymore... now that he got one there for himself. <KaiL> lol <hunger> KaiL: HDD broke down 3 times in the first 4 month... <KaiL> wow <hunger> KaiL: But actually the laptop of the others are pretty decent... not good, but ok. <KaiL> maybe he'll switch to another vendor than <Riddell> haggai: my flatmate said that when most people go to australia they end up getting up in the middle of the night <KaiL> to something normal <hunger> KaiL: and they over a 3 year warranty which is what my boss liked. <Riddell> but I've ended up getting up at "normal times" <KaiL> Riddell: LOL <KaiL> hunger: well, if you need that every month..... <haggai> Riddell: heh very useful that visit to .au #kubuntu-devel 2005-05-18 <KaiL> hm, does anybody have problems with reading DVDs? being shown with a yellow icon (=blank disk)? <JRe> loo <JRe> i want to write a little guide on how to package a progran specially for Kubuntu <JRe> what is the best format ? html ? <JRe> re <amu> JRe: no format needed, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuDocumentation <JRe> amu: you think this guide is a good idea? <amu> hmm, it a good idea, best place for it create a new KubuntuPackageing page, probably others will help you ... <JRe> okay ;) <JRe> Anyone has yet got this error using docbook-to-man: /usr/bin/nsgmls:/usr/share/xml/docbook/schema/dtd/4.2/docbookx.dtd:112:17:E: "X20AC" is not a function name? <dholbach> hellas <dholbach> anyone of you in touch with VirgilNisly? <dholbach> he put some kde packages on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUNewPackages <dholbach> but they are all *i386.deb <dholbach> so i can't review them <Riddell> dholbach: not heard of him <dholbach> kio-locate and digikam <Riddell> hmm, maybe I have heard of him <Riddell> I'll send him an e-mail asking for the source <dholbach> ROCK <dholbach> when is motaboy normally online? <Riddell> not sure, not seen him for a bit <dholbach> his metabar_<version>.orig.tar.gz is missing <Riddell> can't find it on the server, I'll e-mail him too <dholbach> made a note on MOTUNewPackages <dholbach> is FrancisGiannaros in here? <dholbach> his server seems to be down <Riddell> not here currently <Riddell> lauren32@example.com <Riddell> I can e-mail him too <dholbach> cool <hunger> Hiho! <dholbach> is FrodeDoeving around? <Riddell> he's on the server (frode) but not on a channel <Riddell> hello hunger <dholbach> krusader seems to be already in <hunger> Now ksysguard claims my cpu freq is 0:-( <Riddell> dholbach: but not krusader 1.60 <hunger> That does seem a bit slow... <Riddell> oh wait, it is in breezy <dholbach> Riddell: apt-cache show krusader | grep Version <dholbach> ah yes :-) <dholbach> and please tell people not to package natively :-) <Riddell> dholbach: well if you're going to ignore packages just because they're already in you may as well scrap digikam <Riddell> what do you mean package natively? <dholbach> Riddell: if we have the same version and nothing changes <dholbach> no .orig.tar.gz and no .diff.gz :-) <dholbach> Riddell: if somebody wants me to review a package with newer version or fixes, then it's fine with me <Riddell> digikam seems to be the same version <dholbach> i found some other manual merges from debian on the list already :-) <dholbach> how close do you all work with the guys packaging KDE stuff? <Riddell> we are the guys packaging KDE stuff <dholbach> the guys putting their KDE stuff on MOTUNewPackages? :-) <Riddell> fairly closely, I think they've all come through me at some point <dholbach> you should tell them to use pbuilder, i ran across the 2nd package with "Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0)" :-( <Riddell> what is pbuilder? <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto <dholbach> it builds packages for you in a chroot, so you can be sure the build process runs in a separated environment and you tackle most of the packaging bugs <Riddell> sounds like good stuff <dholbach> yes, it absolutely is <Riddell> how would that help debhelper >= 4.0.0? <dholbach> the first thing we tell MOTU hopefuls <dholbach> the pbuilder just installs the crack that's in build-depends, plus the usual debootstrap stuff <dholbach> in the chrooted environment the first thing will be: configure-run will complain <dholbach> (because of missing build-depends) <JRe> dholbach: i will soon send you the katapult package <dholbach> JRe: you mean put it on wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages ? <Riddell> amu: could you look at this and see if you can confirm on a PPC or not? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104091 <dholbach> JRe: because if you put it on the wikipage, it will catch more eyes <amu> Riddell: confirmed <amu> same here <Riddell> amu: does it happen with all media or just dvds? <amu> Riddell: only DVD's and only on a ibook, pb is fine <Riddell> amu: hmm, sounds like an ibook issue rather then a kubuntu issue <amu> Riddell: letme track it down later at the evening <amu> KDE 3.4.1 Schedule <amu> From: <amu> Stephan Binner <lauren32@example.com> <Riddell> May 23rd tagging <dholbach> see you later guys <Riddell> thanks dholbach, I'll try and review some packages later <dholbach> take your time <JRe> Pffffffff riddell i can't manage to move the desktop file <Riddell> JRe: just make a new one, put it in debian/ and add a rule cp foo.desktop usr/share/applications/kde in rules <JRe> okay because i was blowing my brain with autotools ;) ;) ;) <JRe> Riddell: i put the cp in the install target? <Riddell> yes, I think so <JRe> Riddell: okay i put a dh_install foo/foo.desktop /usr/share/applications/kde it worked great! <JRe> Riddell: http://jr.falleri.free.fr/wikini/wakka.php?wiki=KubuntU <JRe> i think it's good now <Riddell> JRe: missing .diff.gz <JRe> okay <amu> and run a lintian katapult_0.2-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb <JRe> E: katapult: no-shlibs-control-file usr/lib/libkatapultdisplay.so.0.0.0 <JRe> E: katapult: no-shlibs-control-file usr/lib/libkatapult.so.0.0.0 <JRe> E: katapult: no-shlibs-control-file usr/lib/libkatapultcatalog.so.0.0.0 <JRe> Riddell: the diff.gz is here now <JRe> amu: this error is grave? <amu> it should be "E:" free <allee> JRe: control: add home page url to long description <allee> JRe: copyright: needs a copy of the license used in source files <allee> JRe: if docu is GFDL add a literate copy too <allee> JRe: I'm sure 'dirs' file can be removed <JRe> allee: by docu you mean for the man page? <allee> JRe: no docbook files <allee> bib <allee> not the manpage docbook file <allee> JRe: rename menu.ex to menu otherwise it's ignored <allee> JRe: hint do yourself a favour and use CDBS for the rules file ;) <allee> JRe: remove or fix watch.ex <JRe> allee: okay there was so many error :) <allee> JRe: Stuff like modifiing/moving .desktop file should be mentioned in changelog <JRe> allee: where do i put the license files? in the debian dir? <allee> JRe: No error., no just polishing <allee> JRe: everything license related has to go into debian/copyright <JRe> allee: wich package can i take for reference, because i have taken konversation and the copryght file was a similar <JRe> ??? <JRe> allee: it's hard to find cdbs doc! <allee> JRe: digikam ;) There even a mv of a desktop with a CDBS rules <allee> JRe: kalyxo had a good quick intro. Never needed more for the first weeks <JRe> allee: okay i have taken a look to the exemples: it's very good ;) ;) ;) <JRe> allee: thx for digiKam package ;) * allee hides ashamed <Riddell> JRe: URL for intro? <Riddell> allee, not JRe <allee> google 'cdbs' and 4th hit is a good one. https://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial/CDBS <allee> Riddell: search debian-mentors there are lot's of refs. There another very good page, only error is that at the end there's a KDE flame ;) * allee ponders where his cdbs link collection is <allee> JRe: Impressive build-deps. Nevertheless libc6-i686 is no good on ppc. I would also remove lib<x> if lib<x>-dev is already there. <allee> JRe: I don't now katapult but I usally start with debuilder,cdbs,kdelibs4-dev and try it. A later pbuilder run shows if something missing <JRe> allee: in fact i have made the build-deps using the script on the debian maint-guide may be it's not godd? <JRe> allee: okay thanks! <allee> JRe: the script is right, but you should do it in a clean environment. See -686 gotcha <JRe> allee: -686 gotcha ??????? <allee> JRe: using pbuilder before a new upload is much better than relying on the script (IMO) <allee> JRe: the libc6-686 build-dep. Other archs will not be happy. <JRe> okay ;) <allee> JRe: and tell upstream that Makefile should not be in the tarball. Bloats diff without any reason <JRe> allee: okay i'll him! I have so many things to learn before beeing a good packager! <KaiL> wow, high traffic here :) <allee> JRe: subscribe to debian-mentors list. Much boring noise, but many educative threads <allee> JRe: When in doubt I first search the debian-mentors folder. Hit rate > 90 % for me. <allee> Hi KaiL, don't worry I shut up soon ;) <KaiL> you don't need to <allee> KaiL: tell it to my boss ;) <allee> JRe: try interdiff, diffstat and debdiff. Help you a lot spot update error, stale files etc <JRe> allee: ok! thanks you for all your advices i will check the man entry of eveything you told me and try to make a real cleam package! <JRe> allee: ;) ;) ;) <JRe> allee: in fact the french version of the main guide is pretty obsolet <allee> JRe: clean pkging is fun (except getting/checking updating copyright file) <allee> JRe: have fun, KaiL: now it's your turn ;) , all: until later <JRe> allee: thanks! see you later <KaiL> yesterday somebody in #kubuntu found this: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=22135 <JRe> yeah kat is a good soft <JRe> but still in early stage <hunger> I hate apps that are to intelligent for their own good! <hunger> kate pops up a window telling me a file it has in its editor was deleted, asking to reload it... <KaiL> I'm just playing with splashy on my K6-2 <KaiL> quite nice <KaiL> but then I see, how slow that computer really is ;) <hunger> Failing to reload it assumes that the permissions are borked:-( <KaiL> brrrrr, my test system really needs a more silent power supply <KaiL> that doesn't sound very good <uniq> anyone using kubuntu on ibook/powerbook ? - thinking of getting one of them.. probably a ibook 12".. <Riddell> uniq: amu seems to like them <uniq> so i guess (k)ubuntu runs on them without huge problems? <amu> :) <amu> let's say works for me <KaiL> hehe <amu> prever the ibook, cause accu runs 2 times longer compared to the pb, pb has more power, is faster, has a pcmica :) ibook you need that fucking usb-wlan <amu> ibook need some tricky config that sleep is also supported, pb works everything out of the box <KaiL> except WLAN? <amu> 12" ibook compared with the 15" pb, finally the is a price difference :) probably a 12" pb rocks, never owned such a thing :) proably if there's a new G5 12" i'll try :) <amu> right, wlan never works, till broadcom will publish their specs, compared to M$, it's like M$ put their OS under the gpl :) <KaiL> lol <KaiL> is there something like ndiswrapper for ppc? <amu> nope <amu> well, on the older alu-books or older ibooks ( the first series ) wlan works ( 11mbit ) <KaiL> that one isn't made by broadcom? <amu> Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g <KaiL> that's the so called "airport extreme"? <amu> yep <amu> the other, 11mbit, it's just airport <amu> This chipset is a broadcom 4301 chipset. The drivers for this chipset can not be released by the manafacturers because this card has the ability to broadcast in a spectrum that is reserved for military use. <amu> Because of this, broadcom imposes these limitations in software. By releasing the specifications on how to get this card to work, they may be inadvertantly allowing people to broadcast on a restricted frequency, and therefore making them liable. <amu> <KaiL> lol, and they think, nobody can hack the normal driver to do this too? Idiots... <amu> they tried but noone was offical successful :) even with a mofified ndiswrapper <KaiL> ...official <KaiL> if you are, you'll have some big holes in your door next day? ;) <amu> :) <uniq> shit.. why didn't i focus on this channel.. <uniq> i ordered the ibook 12".. <uniq> amu: how do you solve the wlan-issue? <amu> on the ibook with usb-wlan <uniq> ok.. any card you can recommend? <amu> about 20Euro for a Dlink DWL-122 <uniq> support for kismet and all? <amu> never tried :) i'll not do such illegal scan things *g* <uniq> illegal? :) <amu> ;-) <uniq> to put it in another way.. i have a 3com atmel based.. that can't find any accesspoints by itself. <amu> you should ask you administraor about access *runningaway* <uniq> do you call the airport administration to get the essid and stuff for the public wlan? :) <amu> ;) <uniq> DWL-122 on it's way :) <uniq> amu: you think i should cancel the ibook order and get the powerbook? <uniq> the only big thing is sleep right? - do I pay the extra $ to get 1.5Ghz, dvd-r and the extra firewire-port? :) <uniq> I'll leave it with the ibook.. <amu> uniq: depends what you need and how much money you want spend :) <amu> you get a ibook for 900E a pb costs 1600E <uniq> I ordered the ibook 12", 512M, 60G, no bluetooth. <amu> firefire never used it realy, my extern hdd support both, usb is fast enough and just works <uniq> I think it'll fit my needs well.. <uniq> I'm basically just replacing a huge noisy monster of a fujitsu amd64-thingie.. <amu> DVD, dont need it also, i've 2 desktops with DVD burners ... so save to money and order 1 gig ram <uniq> I've burned one dvd on this laptop.. just to test.. don't need it. <uniq> I've got a amd64 3700+.. it's running at 800mhz (out of 2.4Ghz) don't need it.. <amu> yep, sometimes it's easier, well but i can park them on the hdd and move it to the desktop <amu> so DVD isnt realy usefull for me <uniq> do you have sleep working? <amu> yep <allee> uniq: no bluetooth? Pity (IMHO) one kdebluetooth tester less ;) <uniq> allee: well.. I can get a usb-thingie to support you :) <allee> I'll make a note ;) <uniq> I'll find a cheap usb-thing and add it to the dwl-122 order i just submitted :) <uniq> amu: thanks for the info :) <uniq> and g'nite to all. <amu> uniq: n,p i'm sure, there will be soon more questions :) #kubuntu-devel 2005-05-19 <allee> amu: as PPC developer: are you aware of any debian/rules hack to pass -DWORDS_BIGENDIAN to g++? <allee> amn: background, digikam 0.7.2 backport of kde svn : svn diff -u 411787:411788 without bloating the diff with the hole configure and Makefile.in stuff <JRe> lo <KaiL> morning <haggai> moin <JRe> anyone have try kcheckgmail? <haggai> allee: there is a technique often used to implement things like DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=debug in debian/rules. Is the packaging cdbs based? <allee> hi all <allee> haggai: yes digikam cdbs based. AFAIR 'debug' stuff uses configure --enable-debug(=full). Nevertheless I'll check cdbs rules files. Thx. <haggai> allee: in that case you can set CXXFLAGS <allee> haggai: thx I'll try tonight <JRe> allee: Okay i have rebuild katapult with ehanced changelog, copyrith, less deps and cdbs thanks to your advices <allee> JRe: quick look (2 min until lunch) <JRe> better do this after lunch ;) good appetite! <allee> JRe: yeah, look like I looked at the yesterdays diff. Later ;) <JRe> okay everything uploaded: http://jr.falleri.free.fr/wikini/wakka.php?wiki=KubuntU, no lintian errors <JRe> i want to add a page KubuntuPackagingGuide, which is the best place to put the link in the wiki? <Riddell> JRe: from Kubuntu <JRe> Riddell: okay <JRe> allee: packages are ready, take a look to KubuntuPackagingGuide when you have time <allee> JRe: copyright file: the copyright: section is really licsense: one. For copyright: section grep -i copyright at least all files. kdesdk has a lisensecheck tool that will tell you if everything is 'really' GPL <jre_> ??? <allee> JRe: diff contains a unnecessary katapult.1 file. Why wasn't it done by the clean/katapult in rules?? (a check with diffstat uncoveres such problems) <allee> JRe: you write Copyright: <allee> and then software is GPL <allee> GPL is the license not the copyright. <allee> JRe: control Matter of taste of course: both, short and long description could be a bit longer <allee> JRe: control: you specify the tar file instead of the homepage in long desc <JRe> okay!!!!!!!! <JRe> allee: understands now <JRe> allee: can i tell all the software copryght the author, 2005 ? <allee> JRe: Recommends/Suggests: have you tought about what pkgs katapult may needs to be useful <JRe> allee: yeah none <JRe> allee: you mean that the clean/katapult rules does not worlk? <allee> JRe: AFAIU 'all the software' is fine, but it's a good idea to use a copy of the copyright notice from the source file <allee> JRe: yes, because the katapult.1 is in the diff. clean target is execute before the diff is generated. <JRe> allee: okay i make the changes ;) but the package was better thaht yesterday no? <allee> JRe: of course!!!!! <allee> JRe: If I had not like your work right from the beginning I would not have spend any time with it. <JRe> allee: thanks ;) i have learned many things with your advices! <allee> JRe: all the stuff is final polishing. I've seen quite some pkgs from official debian maintainer that weren't as polished as yours ;) <Riddell> polishing it is what packages are all about, we polish so the users don't have to <JRe> allee: ;)! But thanks too you all the packages i'll do next we'll be polished like this one <allee> Riddell: If katapult.1 is in the diff or not is something the user does not care ;) But you are right we have to do your best to serve the needs of the users <allee> Riddell: and last but not least: you do really a great job for the users!!!!!!! <Riddell> allee: well you've been doing a good job this last day, I'm sure I could learn some packaging techniques off you <Riddell> allee: going to become MOTU? <allee> Guess why I was lurking at the CC yesterday ;). My main problem is free time and that have to learn lot about (k)ubuntu. <Riddell> allee: are there any packages of yours we should review? <allee> Riddell: and one of the standard questions: what have you done already for ubuntu. I realized that I had not much to offer for an application <Riddell> find something to package? <allee> last time I checked my debian pkgs were uptodate. <allee> in ubuntu that is <allee> pkg new stuff is not that pressing for me. Kubuntu has the stuff I need. My (would like to plans) shift to better integration and interoperation of pkgs ... <allee> e.g. autostart of digikam when camera is pluged in. GUI support for networking at different locations etc <allee> I've noted some udu pages during the last UDU irc meetings 2 days ago. When time permits I'll try to help here and there. <Riddell> yep <Riddell> both good goals <JRe> anyone is developping a kde-volume-manager? <JRe> allee: victory the katapult.1 has disappear! <JRe> :) <Riddell> JRe: well the media:/ ioslave is there, what's missing is a kded module to do something useful when devices are plugged in <Riddell> I think the guy was developing that but I need to check back with him <allee> JRe: yeah! <allee> Riddell: you mean enrico? <Riddell> that sounds like the ddue <Riddell> dude <JRe> Riddell: okay! it would be a great feature for the users i think! <allee> yeah, but maybe ervin, not sure. Ervin in right now in #kalyxo, hint ;) <Riddell> ervin does the non-hal stuff in media:/ he doesn't like hal <allee> ah <allee> JRe: packaging guide. Good work. <JRe> allee: cat .kde/share/apps/konversation/logs/freenode_#kubuntu-devel.log | grep allee > Usefull_Tips <allee> Some pointers I miss are: debian-mentors web site and mailing list. <JRe> allee: yeah right i am going to add a section about the copyrights too ;) <allee> JRe: :) <allee> JRe: Kalyxo also add a nice half page long intro. Assumed a 'standard' KDE applications. So these 5 steps and you get a deb. * allee tries to find the URL <Riddell> kalyxo still don't have dns <allee> Riddell: mornfall hosts a copy somewhere ... * allee ponders to install katapult to search his book marks <JRe> yeah a kalyxo can bu very useful :) <JRe> guide <JRe> okay goodbye everyone! <hussam> hey I switched to breezy two days ago <hussam> today I did apt-get <hussam> there <hussam> there's a new dbus packae <hussam> *package <hussam> but to install it, syanptic says it has to remove kdebase, what should I do? <hussam> anybody here? <Riddell> hussam: probably not much you can do until we upload a new kdebase <Riddell> which will be either when the g++ transition happens or kde 3.4.1 <hussam> Riddell: but kde 3.4.1 isn't anytime soon <hussam> is it? <Riddell> about 3 weeks <amu> The following packages have been kept back: <amu> dbus-1-utils hal hal-device-manager pmount python2.4-dbus <amu> hussam: so i sould not upgrade my breezy <hussam> amu: i'm getting: <hussam> amu: dbus-1-utils hal libgnomevfs2-0 libgnomevfs2-common pmount python2.4-dbus <hussam> kept back <hussam> but all of which can be installed if I remove kdebase <hussam> which I'm not going to <amu> understandable ;) <hussam> amu: but Riddell says they will upgrade kdebase in 3 weeks to work again <hussam> well, I guess I'll have to wait <hussam> brb <hunger> So we have to live with held back packages for the next couple of weeks? <amu> hussam: sounds nice ;) <Riddell> hunger: depends when the g++ transition happens * hunger sighs. I hate not being able to be cutting edge:-) <hunger> Riddell: Ah. Well, it makes sense to wait for that. * hunger grumbles. <hussam> amu: I just asked in #kde and they say kde 3.4.1 will be tagged on the 23 and released a week after <amu> hussam: great ;) <hunger> Any highlights in 3.4.1 or is it just bugfixes? <hunger> Sounds like the latter, but you never know... <hussam> Riddell: is there anyway
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