#ubuntu-mate 2016-09-01 <newshound68_> hello anyone out there? <oswriter> hi there <newshound68_> hi, so it,s September. summer over. just managed to get logged in and installed on Pi3 <oswriter> congratulations <newshound68_> ta. is it possible to ssh from mac? <newshound68_> like you can with Raspbian <oswriter> i couldn't say. i don't use a mac or a pi. lol <newshound68_> managed to log in ubuntu mate via ssh. do i run hexchat from cmd line? <newshound68_> TIA <kitwar> hello! :] <kitwar> I have a little problem, figured I might find help in here. <kitwar> I've decided to install UbuntuMATE alongside Windows, and I've made the bad decision to only allocate it 12GB. It now says it is full, although I did not really install anything other than the strictly necessary. <kitwar> so I wonder: Is there a way to increase the space allocated for UbuntuMATE|? <mcadkins> Hello all! <logical> Hi, is there a way to put Downloads and some other folders in the Places Menu, I tried to go right click and edit but the only menus i could edit is Applications and system http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1472697991.png <ali1234> yes <ali1234> oh wait wrong channel. don't know, sorry <ali1234> check ~/.gtk-bookmarks and ~/.config/gtk-3.0/bookmarks <ali1234> if you add stuff in there i think it should show on places <ali1234> but mate might be different <mrbhardw> hi <siva_machina> hello <mrbhardw> need help from experts... <siva_machina> I may not be an expert. But I may be able to help <mrbhardw> ok <mrbhardw> thanks ,, <mrbhardw> my screen is flapping..aka flickring.. <mrbhardw> any idea how to fix that,, <alkisg> mrbhardw: what's the output of this command? put it to pastebin: <alkisg> xrandr <siva_machina> maybe try going to mate-tweak and having it switch to marco with compositing or compton <mrbhardw> sure <ouroumov> mrbhardw, can you also provide the output of the following command in a terminal: "inxi -MCG | nc termbin.com 9999" <mrbhardw> mrbhardw@MRBHARDW-IN:~$ xrandr <mrbhardw> Screen 0: minimum 8 x 8, current 1600 x 900, maximum 32767 x 32767 <mrbhardw> eDP1 connected 1600x900+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 309mm x 174mm <mrbhardw> 1600x900 60.00*+ <mrbhardw> 1440x900 59.89 <mrbhardw> 1368x768 60.00 <mrbhardw> 1360x768 59.80 59.96 <mrbhardw> 1152x864 60.00 <mrbhardw> 1280x720 60.00 <mrbhardw> 1024x768 60.00 <mrbhardw> 1024x576 60.00 <mrbhardw> 960x540 60.00 <mrbhardw> 800x600 60.32 56.25 <mrbhardw> 864x486 60.00 <mrbhardw> 800x450 60.00 <mrbhardw> 640x480 59.94 <mrbhardw> 720x405 60.00 <mrbhardw> 640x360 60.00 <ouroumov> mrbhardw, pastebin. next time. You don't ever want to paste large amount of text into this channel. <mrbhardw> DP1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) <siva_machina> wait! <mrbhardw> DP2 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) <mrbhardw> HDMI1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) <mrbhardw> HDMI2 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) <mrbhardw> VIRTUAL1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) <siva_machina> WAIT <siva_machina> use pastebin <mrbhardw> mrbhardw@MRBHARDW-IN:~$ inxi -MCG | nc termbin.com 9999 <mrbhardw> http://termbin.com/f1yo <mrbhardw> mrbhardw@MRBHARDW-IN:~$ <siva_machina> so you don't flood the chat <mrbhardw> ohh i am sorry .. <mrbhardw> new to linux.. <mrbhardw> how to use pastebin <siva_machina> It's a website <mrbhardw> ok <siva_machina> https://paste.ubuntu.com/ <ouroumov> mrbhardw, your system is fully up to date? <siva_machina> there is multiple paste bins <siva_machina> that is one <alkisg> mrbhardw: try what siva_machina said, i.e.: marco --no-composite --replace <alkisg> Does this make the flickering better? <siva_machina> yup <siva_machina> open up Mate tweak and change it from there <siva_machina> It may help <mrbhardw> ok <alkisg> No need to do it permanately, it's better from the command line <alkisg> But ok anyway <siva_machina> He can change it back easy <alkisg> Sure if he doesn't lose his whole display <alkisg> Anyway, details... <ouroumov> alkisg, MATE Tweak inforces an automatic rollback after a few seconds <mrbhardw> i did no composite will it work with external monitor as well.. * siva_machina loses whole display and monitor melts <siva_machina> oh NO what I done! <siva_machina> whyyy <alkisg> Hehe <siva_machina> mrbhardw, no option for compton? <alkisg> mrbhardw: did it stop the flickering? <mrbhardw> https://aboutsimon.com/blog/2016/07/20/Ubuntu-16.04-external-monitor-flickering-and-turning-off-on-intel-i915.html <mrbhardw> one suggested me this.. <siva_machina> I forgot to ask an important question <siva_machina> what version of Ubuntu-mate are you on? <siva_machina> mrbhardw, <mrbhardw> 16 <siva_machina> I awesome 16.04 <mrbhardw> ok <siva_machina> assume * siva_machina can't speel apperantly <siva_machina> spell <mrbhardw> ok <siva_machina> anyways Ubuntu numbers there releases by the year and month it was released <siva_machina> like 16.04 came out in April of this year <mrbhardw> ok so is that version is not stable for graphics ? <siva_machina> Not what I am getting at. Just explaning the numbering system ...sense you're new <siva_machina> anyway did mate tweak not work for you? <mrbhardw> rebooted ... <mrbhardw> shiva.. <siva_machina> siva* <mrbhardw> no change in status... <ouroumov> mrbhardw, did you go through the "Driver & Firmware" steps of Welcome -> Getting Started? <mrbhardw> nope.. <ouroumov> Do that now <ouroumov> Then reboot, see if it changes anything. <mrbhardw> didnt find that option <ouroumov> System -> Welcome <siva_machina> it should be in the welcome menu or there should be a program called driver <mrbhardw> its only Introduction , features, Getting Started <ouroumov> "Getting Started" <ouroumov> Then Driver & Firmware <mrbhardw> got it .. <mrbhardw> thanks.. <alexandra1982> hi <alkisg> Hello <ouroumov> sup <siva_machina> hell alexandra1982 <ztane> upgraded ubuntu mate on RPI3, now as a result my configs in /etc/systemd/network/ stopped working <ztane> no log messages or anything, they just do not seem to apply <ztane> I wonder what's changed.. <ztane> my files were 10-inteth0.link; 10-inteth0.network, 20-exteth.link, 20 exteth0.network; trying to consistently assign inteth0 to raspberry builtin ethernet, and exteth0 for USB ether adapter <ztane> but it looks as if systemd isn't even reading these files <ztane> worked with versions from 2 months ago :/ <Wboson> Using Ubuntu 16.04 and Mate; Mate menus appear off monitor on all sides (top, bottom, left). Mouse moves beyond monitor border by about 1 CM. <alkisg> Wboson: is that a tft monitor, or e.g. an old crt one? <Wboson> Changing resolution of monitor does not impact the menu location or bring menus into visible space. <Wboson> Older LCD Monitor using HDMI input <alkisg> Does it also have a VGA input? If so, does the problem occur there? <Wboson> Offers 12+ resolutions but 1080p is native <Wboson> With analog, VGA there is an option to shrink the image but only on analog is that option available. <Wboson> Not for DisplayMate or HDMI <Wboson> (or whatever the large input cord is called ;) <alkisg> It sounds like an issue with the monitor, not the operating system <alkisg> For example, a TV of mine, has some stretching options, and it only shows all the pixels when I select "native" <Wboson> Is there any X11 setting to define the monitor size <alkisg> It's not about the monitor size <alkisg> It's the monitor itself deciding to clip a border <alkisg> The same thing happens in BIOS or in Windows, doesn't it? <Wboson> The menus are there; they are above the visible area. <alkisg> So you should explore all the monitor options first <Wboson> I have tried six of 12 resolutions for HDMI 1080x720, etc. Basically, every other setting of the HDMI resolution near 60hz <Wboson> No, does not happen in Win <Wboson> -- That is not accurate. The Win input used is the Display* cord. The old PC that came with the monitor. Newer PC has HDMI output no Display* or VGA outputs <Wboson> No reason to buy adapters - maybe a reason to buy a new monitor! <Wboson> However, isn't there an X11 or WindowManager setting to define the Window size? <Wboson> Not resolution but size by pixels or geo <alkisg> You can define a fake border with some xorg.conf option, sure <alkisg> But I haven't yet seen a TFT monitor that doesn't have a "native" stretching option <Wboson> We used to do this for XWindows on large systems and PC clients. <Wboson> OK; maybe better than VNCServer & client suggestion <Wboson> I will locate the xorg.conf; does it exist or must be created? <alkisg> Eh, sure, if you were to use a fake server, you'd be way better off with xephyr instead of vncserver/client <alkisg> It needs to be created in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. man xorg.conf for details. <Wboson> Thank you. <alkisg> And since the issue is not related to ubuntu-mate, you can also ask in #ubuntu-x about it <alkisg> i think you'll need "virtual" and "viewport", but I'm not sure <alkisg> Why don't you put a VGA cable instead, if the monitor really doesn't have a proper setting for hdmi? <Wboson> There is no VGA on the PC <Wboson> Only video out is HDMI <Wboson> Thanks. <alkisg> You're welcome <Wboson> I will explore the X11 options; into already. <alkisg> Wboson: btw, you don't have an nvidia (so that nvidia-settings would be available),do you? <kiran_> How do you install Sophos? <gordon> hi <ouroumov> hi gordon <ElPresidente> yay <ouroumov> yoy <ElPresidente> yey <tiox> Mentioning this for the heck of it; soreau is working on making Static work with Expo. <tiox> So for those who backported Compiz you may need to do some more dicking around with Git, but if you want to have a terminal always open even in Expo that may be coming near. <allanViking> is there an alternative url to download 16.10 beta1 from? the url on the site just downloads until 7.9MB and then stops <allanViking> this url: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/releases/16.10/beta-1/ubuntu-mate-16.10-beta1-desktop-amd64.iso <rahtgaz> try a download manager like uget <allanViking> wget failed too <allanViking> theres no uget for ubuntu livecd <rahtgaz> hmm... maybe curl with --retry 999 and --retry-max-time 0 <allanViking> cool, already 9M :D <allanViking> thx <allanViking> now it failed at 140MB <allanViking> is there a net installer or sth I could use whilst having my laptop mounted in chroot? it has a broken ubuntu atm <allanViking> it has ubuntu 16.04. What would happen if I just changed it apt sources to Ubuntu Mate 16.04 or 16.10 ? <ricotz> allanViking, better use "do-release-upgrade -d" <ouroumov> allanViking, you can just restart the download using wget -c <ricotz> or "wget -c http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/releases/16.10/beta-1/ubuntu-mate-16.10-beta1-desktop-amd64.iso" <ouroumov> Or you know, use the torrent <allanViking> my isp has banned torrents and I cant get into my vps, because for some reasons my ssh keys dont work in chroot <rahtgaz> isp banning torrents is perhaps the most horrible thing i've heard in a while. Amazing the behavior of these ISP. so anti-consumer is not even funny <rahtgaz> you are having lots of problems connecting to that address, allanViking. curl failed because you actually exhausted the 999 retries, which seems to mean either a problem with some router in the way, or your ISP actively killing the connection <TwoNotes> Next they will ban email because you might use it to send spam <rahtgaz> this isn't going to solve your problem now, but frankly switch ISP <rahtgaz> indeed TwoNotes <rahtgaz> bet they aren't banning torrents in their offices though. Where they can download all the crap they want including linux isos and films, because you know... torrents are evil <skyrim> hi <skyrim> hiiiiii <skyrim> anyone? <rahtgaz> just ask, if you have anything to ask. <skyrim> i dont know <skyrim> do any one know playonlinux? <skyrim> it's bugged idk how to fix it <skyrim> it's just freezing af on the loading <rahtgaz> nope. sorry, don't use it. keep around for a while. someone might know and they'll see the post <skyrim> ah okay thanks <rahtgaz> right <mate69247> hello, i found the topmenu applet not to be working reliably. it sometimes just vanishes. also applications like firefox don't work at all <ovlet> anyone played w/ the fonts settings on UM xenial? <ovlet> I noticed some flakiness <ovlet> as in, you touch it and things go apeshit <BlackPanx> hello guys <ovlet> huy BlackPanx <BlackPanx> i have a question... when i dock my ubuntu mate laptop, sometimes screen shows up on external monitor, sometimes it doesnt and sometimes whole laptop freezes. could someone point me into right direction on where to find solution for this kind of behaviour <BlackPanx> it seems to be direcly linked to drivers and kernel... maybe i should ask there? it's kinda hard to debug, since no message gets written in dmesg or so... <ovlet> BlackPanx. first identify exact machine specs so ypu can browse the bug reports w/ that info: inxi -MCG <BlackPanx> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/418924/72738482/raw/ <BlackPanx> i should check intel's website maybe... this broadwell driver is mega buggy, i suspect it has something to do with it. <victor__> how to access root account <victor__> how to do partition after installing mate <victor__> can any one help me regarding this <drakej> hi <drakej> what's up . <mate|11940> how to check for software <ztane> 1604 problems with systemd .link files, I constantly have mac-address generated interface names on RPI3, anyone have any idea? <ztane> it seemed to work with state-of-the-art system 3 months ago but since apt-get upgrade, now stopped working <Qommand0r> isn't it 1607 instead of 1604? <Qommand0r> ah wait, nm <Qommand0r> for some reason i thought i was in another channel <ztane> hmm for some reason the udev rules are completely ----ed <ztane> for net <ztane> first of all, I had to remove 73-usb-net-by-mac.rules because it was forcing enx321123123123-style names on all of my ethernets (Raspberry PI) :/ <ztane> but even then, my systemd .link stuff is not run, or it doesn't take effect <mate69247> hello, i just realized, the mate install gimped my arch installation <mate69247> i can boot mate, windows, but arch gives me kernel panic <mate69247> so why? no other distro ever changed anothers distros boot capabilities for me ever <Akuli> i guess arch just screwed itself up <Akuli> which doesn't surprise me at all <mate69247> why should it have? it just happened after the u-mate installation, so now its arch's fault? <Akuli> i dont know what happened <Akuli> does sudo update-grub detect arch? <Akuli> by the way, update-grub is one of the greatest features in debian-based distros i've seen <mate69247> it detects it like the first time when it was initially installed <Akuli> can you chroot your arch? <Akuli> as an arch user, you are way better than other people so you know how to use chroot, right? <mate69247> i do know, but why that sarcastic statement? <Akuli> because most arch users think they are better people than others <mate69247> thats the problem with generalization <Akuli> thats the problem with arch <Akuli> if you go through the "advanced" installation using the wiki you're just way better than other people using their debian-based distros. <Akuli> i've done that once, i liked the idea of installing minimally but hated everything else in arch <mate69247> arch is just a great distro. and there no denying. archwiki is also super helpful. thats the reason i also use it (among others) <Akuli> i mean <Akuli> 99% of the stuff on the wiki work on other distros too <mate69247> isnt that great? <Akuli> their wiki is great, and i think everything else is awful <Akuli> pacstrap, zsh, no update-grub <Akuli> systemd <mate69247> your allowed to your opinion <Akuli> but thats just my opinion <mate69247> did you know? <mate69247> dont need to like it <Akuli> i don't, and thats why i don't use it <mate69247> good for you. wheres the problem? <Akuli> if you know how to use your weird package manager you could try updating grub from your arch <Akuli> actually <Akuli> if you know how to make grub config the weird arch way <mate69247> points i like are the AUR as the best system to get packages imo, and knowing that anything is possible and configurable are good reasons to use it <rahtgaz> Akuli, arch is not weird. It's just not Debian. I'd thought to make that distinction clear, if you don't mind <Akuli> its not debian, but i found it just awful in many ways <rahtgaz> Clearly not a sentiment shared by many people among arch and non-arch users. So perhaps you are just wrong <mate69247> its also good to learn new things about linux. <rahtgaz> besides distro-wars type of speech bore me to death. I won't say one more word about it <Akuli> mate69247, you don't learn linux with arch, you learn arch with arch <rahtgaz> *sigh* <Akuli> for example installation, you need their arch-chroot instead of regular chroot <mate69247> thats simply not true, but you may want to believe that, so continue to do so @ Akuli <Akuli> if knowing linux means being able to use zsh with broken autocompletion i suck at linux <Akuli> i mean, arch comes with minimal software and what it comes with just happens to be my least favorite things <rahtgaz> zsh happens to have te best autocompletion system of any shell. What are you talking about? Unless you mean broken=nadly configured <mate69247> i switched to fish as i found it to be faster to set up and better out of the box <Akuli> whatever configuration the arch install cd uses sucks <Akuli> i typed mkfs. and hit the tab twice, it printed me a list of what filesystems i can make which is great <Akuli> but then it asked me what i want <Akuli> i said i just want to type it out myself by hitting Ctrl+C and it took the autocompletion list away :( <Akuli> bash never does that <mate69247> zsh didn't give me any advantages over fish so far, and it works great <rahtgaz> Akuli, you are reacting to Arch like a newcomer reacts to linux. You don't understand it and automatically it sucks. <mate69247> rahtgaz, thats my impression too <Akuli> i want bash and sysvinit <Akuli> not zsh and systemd <Akuli> like i said, arch just happens to come with my least favorite stuff <mate69247> what are you talking about? <mate69247> arch doesnt come with zsh <Akuli> the install cd uses it by default <mate69247> you aware that you can set up everything the way you want right? <Akuli> yes, and a debian installed from a mini.iso allows me to do that also <Akuli> i also get this by default which is awesome http://dpaste.com/0GREBM1 <Akuli> the thing is, i don't want to start my customization by removing stuff <rahtgaz> good grief. You just don't understand the difference between something not working your way and something actually being bad <Akuli> i want to install my stuff and be done <Akuli> rahtgaz, arch is awful to me, and great to others <Akuli> not their fault in any way <mate69247> so you choose your linux flavor based on the default terminal settings? nice.. <Akuli> among many other things <ztane> why prefer bash over zsh :? <rahtgaz> I'd only wish you made that clearer everytime this issue comes one right from the start. And not after you are being told about it, some 30 posts later <ztane> (just curious) <Akuli> ztane, why prefer zsh over bash? <ztane> because it's got more functionality <Akuli> ew <Akuli> i don't want more garbage <Akuli> i want something simple and beatiful <rahtgaz> which no shell interpreter actuallyis <Akuli> bash is much closer to what i want than zsh anyway <Akuli> i could configure zsh to do what i need, but bash is that by default so why would i bother <mate69247> me, me, me, me. jeez <RFleming> Greetings! <Akuli> RFleming, welcome to arch vs me fight <rahtgaz> Akuli, that's not bash. That's the distro that is configuring that for you. Try to install bash on a slackware setup[ and you'll hate it more than zsh. I promise you <mate69247> exacly <Akuli> i mean, i'm happier with freebsd csh than arch zsh <mate69247> by default bash has usually not many 'features' <Akuli> even debian /bin/sh <RFleming> Akuli: yeah... I read <RFleming> :) <rahtgaz> now you are just trolling <mate69247> again, zsh is not 'an arch thing' <mate69247> you can use anything <mate69247> and thats the point in arch more then most other distros <Akuli> tell me one thing you do in arch and i can't do in debian. <Akuli> go ahead, should be easy. <mate69247> your clearly not the kind of person who likes to tweak things to his needs in detail, so its not for you. <rahtgaz> wrong challenge <RFleming> Akuli: run packman <Akuli> RFleming, run aptitude <Akuli> it has a game also <mate69247> RFleming, rekt^^ <RFleming> lol <mate69247> using the AUR (you wish) <RFleming> mate69247: actually, I believe you can use AUR with pacapt <mate69247> RFleming, shh..:-) <RFleming> I have nothing against Arch... <mate69247> don't know about that. may try that out <RFleming> I just don't prefer it because I got tired of source compiles and playing russian roulette with updates <RFleming> I did LFS for a while, slack, gentoo <Akuli> i hadn't even heard of those problems yet :D <RFleming> got burned by rpm dependency hell <mate69247> theres downside to any distro sadly <RFleming> Debian based distros make sense to me. <RFleming> although I would really like a rolling update style debian distro that wasn't crap <mate69247> one thing arch makes me do is using terminal based applications, so i'm in a different mentality when using it <RFleming> mate69247: I predominantly use Linux in a server environment, so I only use CLI <RFleming> even on my laptop at home, I'll use CLI before GUI... unless it's GUI cosmetic things... and printers. <RFleming> ... gawd, I hate printer support in Linux. <mate69247> sadly its not the best <RFleming> well it's not so much Linux's fault... but everyone who makes printers. With the exception of HP <RFleming> even Xerox sucks. <mate69247> well, epson also do linux <RFleming> yay <mate69247> (got one) <mate69247> its a shame you have to choose printers that way <mate69247> but its the way <Akuli> i don't use the gui world that much on debian-based distros <RFleming> Let's not go hating on Arch Akuli... instead lets embrace the fact that we are unified in a world without windows and gates :) <mate69247> RFleming, better sit down <mate69247> i have to dual boot! <Akuli> emacs, bash and sysvinit are still the best pieces of softwares ever <3 * RFleming works in a Windows shop :) <mate69247> i like gaming and also need graphics application for work <RFleming> my work computer is Windows 10... with a Mate VM <mate69247> (they often use macs too) <mate69247> software wise, i prefer windows over mac <mate69247> mac is just ALOT prettier <RFleming> Now there's a group of people who feel they're elitist! <mate69247> windows is quite ugly imo <RFleming> Windows 10 is nice <mate69247> depends tho, the graphics guys usually dont care that much <RFleming> I should get the Anniversary edition of Windows 10... then I can run Ubuntu IN Windows <mate69247> they just get mac because its the graphics thing to get <mate69247> usually dont know much about computers (from my expericence) <RFleming> So I just installed beta 1. Anything I should be looking out for? <mate69247> RFleming, read about that <RFleming> http://www.howtogeek.com/265900/everything-you-can-do-with-windows-10s-new-bash-shell/ <RFleming> apparently APT works in it :) <mate69247> can it run vim and ranger btw? <RFleming> I dunno. I haven't tried it yet <mate69247> these would be reasons to use the fearure <mate69247> damn spelling <mate69247> btw, anyone got the topmenu applet working for mazilla apps? <mate69247> RFleming, using i3? could make sense on a server <RFleming> funny you should mention that <RFleming> I've just finished installing mate 16.10 beta 1 <RFleming> and I'm also installing 16.04 from the mini.iso, so I can experiment with i3w :) * RFleming looooves virtual machines <mate69247> i3 is really fun to use. but you can invest alot of time into configuring it <mate69247> but its not required per se. <RFleming> I've seen what some arch people have done with twms like awesom and I'm blown away <mate69247> its awesome, i tell 'ya <RFleming> boo <RFleming> that wasn't punny at all <mate69247> ^^ <RFleming> I like to play with window managers <mate69247> that was too low, wasnt really intended, but i threw it out anyway <mate69247> yeah. i3 seems to be the sanest to configure compared to other tiling wms from what i know <mate69247> others require lua or haskell and so on <RFleming> one of these days I'm going to create a VM where my vttys 8-12 with different wms and fully experiment <mate69247> why not <RFleming> my wife right now is loving budgie <mate69247> could not try that one, since it did not install <RFleming> if you don't mind turning up a new VM... download budgie-remix and give it a spin <mate69247> i think it had problems with non-uefi mode <RFleming> they're trying to become an official ubuntu flavour <mate69247> (the iso) <RFleming> latest is based off of 16.04 <mate69247> i tried the one from the original dev <mate69247> the intel guy <mate69247> whats the distros name? <RFleming> budgie-remix <mate69247> no <mate69247> i dont think that was it, let me look <mate69247> solus os <RFleming> it's the default for Solus <mate69247> that iso didnt install, so i never tried the DE <RFleming> but some dude has created a remix using the budgie wm on top of Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. Everything is ubuntu except the WM <RFleming> it's called budgie-remix <mate69247> right, so is it any good? <RFleming> ya! <mate69247> or better, any advantages? <RFleming> it's very simple <mate69247> features? or something that really sets it apart? <RFleming> it has a sliding panel for notifications and basic config... goes to a control panel for more advanced stuff <RFleming> it's light, minimal and pretty :) <mate69247> the chinese one looked similar <mate69247> didnt try that either <RFleming> it also feels familiar. Anyone who's used a computer would know how to find stuff <RFleming> Deepin? <mate69247> ye <RFleming> something cool about a DE that's all HTML5 and CSS3 :) <mate69247> oh was it? <mate69247> thats great <RFleming> yep <mate69247> deepin or budgee? <RFleming> deepin <RFleming> I think they've moved away from that though <mate69247> thas really an argument in my book <mate69247> what...why? <mate69247> that would be the reason for me to acually try it <RFleming> performance I believe <mate69247> hmm but...css is not that slow.. <mate69247> im no developer tho <mate69247> so who knows * RFleming shrugs <mate69247> i mean, firefox uses css also for the gui <mate69247> basically <RFleming> I also like pantheon from Elementary OS <mate69247> elementary is really too basic for my taste <mate69247> it looks somewhat pretty and consistent tho <RFleming> maybe so, but I think that was the point <RFleming> most people live in a browser <mate69247> thats right <mate69247> its just not for me i want to say <mate69247> but i also really cant imagine alot of people to be a good target audience though <mate69247> for new users i would still recommend u-mate over that <mate69247> or even mint for that matter <RFleming> eww <Akuli> arch user recommends mint? <mate69247> the built in apps just dont feel mature enough <RFleming> I used to use mint, until I realized what sort of games they are playing with packages and such <Akuli> if you've ever read mint's code you know its barely holding itself together <mate69247> of course. mint was the gateway to many linux users including me. <Akuli> https://github.com/linuxmint/mintnanny/blob/master/usr/lib/linuxmint/mintnanny/mintnanny.py#L117 <Akuli> i mean <Akuli> you can't recommend that people go use that <RFleming> Akuli: I believe because of its use... not because of its code :) <mate69247> guys, you have to realize that the normal new user does not care about these things <mate69247> its a easy to use, get feet wet distro <mate69247> and its pretty good at that <Akuli> i mean, i can execute whatever i want as root by just entering a host to block <mate69247> you can move on after you learned a but <mate69247> bit* <RFleming> mate69247: You're correct! The problem is it's irresponsible :) <RFleming> it's nice to have an open source OS, and a line saying that anything bad happening isn't our fault <RFleming> but it's basically parts duct-taped together, without any effort to fix it. <mate69247> i know what you mean RFleming but the normal user really wont have much issues from that <RFleming> THIS is the primary problem with Linux. <mate69247> linux strenghts are also its weakness, as in big choice can be ofputting <RFleming> there are too many distros, too much opportunity for others to take advantage of the general populous. <mate69247> many users probably dont even attempt linux cause of the sheer amount of shit you can use <RFleming> clem is a great guy, and his intentions were good... but things are turning bad for mint very fast. <mate69247> still gets kudos for starting <RFleming> Mint should die... and Elementary OS should become the defacto noob distro <mate69247> mint was a gateway and i will keep that in mind <RFleming> Hell, I'd recommend Zorin before Mint now :) <mate69247> also ubuntu of course <mate69247> i think manjaro needs also to get credits for some things they did <mate69247> they influenced u-mates greeter didnt they? <mate69247> think ive seen it first there <RFleming> dunno <mate69247> was a great way of giving starting introduction to new users <mate69247> i dont really like any floating DEs.... <mate69247> they all have problems <mate69247> not enough configuration, or unstable <mate69247> (KDE) <mate69247> it really boggles my mind how KDE can be such a widly used DE when it always has plasma crashes and having such a slow startup <RFleming> mate69247: I stopped using KDE when I was using Gentoo... got tired of compiling the damned thing. <mate69247> RFleming, thats a reason yeah. too bloaty to compile all the time <RFleming> switched to fluxbox <RFleming> took over a day to compile KDE on an Athlon 64 X2 <mate69247> i actually think of incorporating flux into i3.. <RFleming> state of the art 2005 technology <mate69247> lol <mate69247> i3 by itself is really good, but it could be nice to have that right click menu you know? <mate69247> just to switch things up <mate69247> dont how if that works tho <RFleming> Alright. I gotta split for a bit <RFleming> I'll be back in 20 or so. <mate69247> maybe later <mate69247> chrooting worked without problems, writing from arch now <mate69247> only difference is the 'arch-' prefix for chrooting from when i used it <RFleming> ok, back <mate69247> RFleming: hi, just hit here too <mate69247> was fixing the grub loader meanwhile <mate69247> @arch <mate69247> any software recommendation guys? <mate69247> i got i3, ranger, mpv and newsbeuter for you <mate69247> (for the ones that didnt tried one of em yet) <Akuli> mate69247, actually arch- is not the only difference <Akuli> arch-chroot does a bunch of magic, it mounts some stuff for you so their installation instructions are shorter <mate69247> i did it from within ubuntu and i had to manually bind /dev and /proc <mate69247> so 'arch-' might do that for you <Akuli> actually thats exactly what it does <Akuli> in your chroot run which arch-chroot, and then go read that file <Akuli> its just a bash script <mate69247> great then <RFleming> man Ubuntu mini boots fast :) <mate69247> a plus in my book <mate69247> you can run the normal chroot as well i think <Akuli> of course <Akuli> RFleming, yes it does <mate69247> because you complained on that before <RFleming> takes longer to post! <Akuli> i've enjoyed that mininess for quite a while now on some computers <Akuli> mate69247, i'm just feeling like some people might learn to use arch-chroot and never learn to use real chroot <mate69247> so whats the best debian mini distro? <Akuli> i like devuan <Akuli> no systemd by default <mate69247> might check that out <mate69247> got u-mate as a side distro for now <mate69247> only problem i found with CLI apps is the buffer not being shared between terminals that easy <mate69247> got something on that? <newshound68> does anyone know if Hexchat can be run from the cmd line, ie. non GUI? thanks in advance <mate69247> newshound68: just as a note: try weechat <mate69247> didnt look into hexchat having support for that, but weechat is one of the best terminal ones <newshound68> mate69247: thanks, and then I just look for this chat forum on there? <mate69247> newshound68: can you rephrase please? <mate69247> its a terminal based irc client and you can access any channel like normal <newshound68> ok thanks ;) <mate69247> also this channel if you mean that <mate69247> check the beginners guide <mate69247> on the web <mate69247> but its of cousr i a little bit harder to use, since you have to type everything in, as terminal based apps tend to require <RFleming> I believe irssi is a CLI IRC client <mate69247> (using weechat right now myself) <mate69247> RFleming: it is <mate69247> weechat has a bit more features i think <mate69247> i didnt try irssi myself, as i was happy with weechat <mate69247> but you might wanna check it out <mate69247> newshound68: https://weechat.org/files/doc/devel/weechat_quickstart.en.html <newshound68> right so im running weechat via ssh on another machine. says : "command join must be executed on irc buffer (server or channel) ...??? <mate69247> newshound68: did you follow the steps in the linked guide? <mate69247> after adding a server, you /connect NAMEYOUGAVESERVER <mate69247> and then /join #ubuntu-mate for instance <RFleming> haha <RFleming> just installed i3 on my mini ubuntu <mate69247> nice <RFleming> surprised i3 doesn't have xinit as a dependency :) <newshound68> mate69247 it aint exactly a dummies guide but i guess i will crack it ... <Akuli> i don't actually have xinit installed on this ubuntu-mate <Akuli> lightdm does the work for m <Akuli> e <mate69247> newshound68: you just have to add a server before the stuff i wrote up there <RFleming> Akuli: I'm using a minimal ubuntu install (from mini.iso) and installed i3. i3 won't run without a display <mate69247> newshound68: /server add freenode chat.freenode.net <RFleming> and it doesn't install startx :) <Akuli> i don't have startx <Akuli> but i am running x <mate69247> i just use plain startx on my archbox <mate69247> don't have the need for a login manager myself <mate69247> /display manager <newshound68> mate69247: done that, now what? <mate69247> done what? <mate69247> adding? <newshound68> added freenode srver <mate69247> can you scroll up a bit? <mate69247> its all there <mate69247> here on the chat, not hte guide <mate69247> the first freenode was the name you gave the server btw <mate69247> so you have to use that instead of the placeholder <mate69247> i type that fast..:/connect freenode <mate69247> /join #ubuntu-mate <mate69247> newshound681: worked? <newshound681> mate69247: ah, got it. thanks so much <mate69247> newshound681: np mate <mate69247> you can eve split windows and stuff like that <newshound681> am going to login via my 1983 Tandy now! :) <Akuli> ...so its basically emacs but its meant to be an irc client? <mate69247> switch between buffers with alt+arrow <mate69247> well, like most good cli programs it draws from either emacs or vim <mate69247> i have not much experice with emacs myself <mate69247> i use vim in the terminal <mate69247> but im fairly new to it. gone the full blown way though and have all kinds of programs using the vim key scheme\ <mate69247> its fun and efficient to use the KB only <mate69247> definitely check out ranger as a file manager if you havent <mate69247> (and dont hate vim bindings) <Akuli> i've never saved a file succesfully on vim <mate69247> lol <Akuli> vim is like arch to me, not my thing at all but i understand that others love it <mate69247> it requires the will to learn completly new things. i can understand that its offputting <mate69247> you will be very bad at the beginning <mate69247> and be slow like a turtle <mate69247> its a good reason not to get involved <mate69247> but if you can see the potential, it can be worth it <mate69247> i already edit a bit faster then with a gui editor i think, and im not using vim that long <RFleming> Akuli: if you feel that way about Vim, what are your feelings on Emacs? :) <Akuli> so far i'm happy with it <mate69247> thats even more complicated isnt it? <Akuli> i've gotten started with it, and i'm familiar with it so i like it <mate69247> (didnt really used it in a long time) <mate69247> Akuli: thanks to you, we still don't have all the future tech seen in scifi :-) <mate69247> Akuli: next time, just hit ZZ btw. it will be your first save <mate69247> or type :w <Akuli> i already know emacs and nano so why would i learn a third editor :) <mate69247> good point. <Akuli> when i used git on windows a while ago i configured it to use notepad instead of the vim it came with :D <Akuli> then all my programming friends were like oh my god akuli u suck <mate69247> regular notepad? <Akuli> yes, regular windows xp notepad <mate69247> or ++ <Akuli> i used what i had <mate69247> well. sure <mate69247> probably the least feature rich editor ever? <Akuli> i was going to use ms dos edit but somehow it just didn't work with git cmd <Akuli> basically i wanted an equivalent to nano, but i didn't want to install anything <mate69247> nano..its just the default terminal editor for most distros. i just liked that it displays the most used bindings on the bottom <mate69247> vim should have better feedback that way imo <mate69247> ranger does it pretty good, as if you start a motion, it will give you a popup of the things you could use in combination <Akuli> i used it for you know commit messages and stuff <mate69247> like if you type 'y' it gives you a list of what kind of yanks you could do <Akuli> sounds like zsh <mate69247> kinda <Akuli> in nano i see a ^G Help in the bottom left corner <mate69247> go on <Akuli> i like it that way <Akuli> i can just type ^G and i'm reading instructions <mate69247> and so you could man it or --help it <mate69247> some apps also give you the ? <Akuli> ...except that there's no man on windows <RFleming> OK, windows subsystem for Linux time <Akuli> and git vim can't be ran from git cmd for whatever reason <Akuli> RFleming, its windows 10 fanciness <Akuli> i'm talking about the xp system i used a couple weeks ago <mate69247> why would you do that? <mate69247> xp i mean <Akuli> use xp or use windows 10 or what? <Akuli> oh <Akuli> because i forgot the power cord for my laptop <Akuli> and i didn't have an empty cd for installing linux <mate69247> old school haxor <Akuli> i actually liked working with xp <Akuli> all my stuff just worked great <mate69247> xp was good times honestly <mate69247> kinda the golden age of windows <Akuli> 12 years of updates, latest firefox, malwarebytes anti-exploit... nice and secure :) <mate69247> and stuff <Akuli> not to forget <Akuli> commmon sense <mate69247> personally i rarly had any issues with security <Akuli> i haven't had either <mate69247> i think i got one nasty virus <mate69247> one time <Akuli> same here <Akuli> back then i knew nothing about removing them :( <mate69247> yeah <mate69247> was newish myself <mate69247> got it from an internet cafe when that ws a thing <mate69247> usb stick <Akuli> i have an awesome internet as you can see <mate69247> rules <mate69247> you missed that i catched it from an internet cafe via usb <Akuli> i think i got it through an ad <Akuli> it didn't do much though, just disabled my avast and slowed down the computer a lot <mate69247> ublockorigin these days <Akuli> same here <Akuli> nowadays i'd just start in task manager and regedit, or avast's boot time scan or kaspersky rescue disk or whatever <mate69247> when i got better with tech i threw anti virus out the window on windows <Akuli> me too :) <Akuli> malwarebytes anti-exploit is nice and light-weight <mate69247> last time i used anti virus is several years ago, and never got problems (from what i know) <mate69247> could only get trojan <mate69247> but you never know on windows and anti virus wont save you from that anyway <mate69247> brain.exe is best <Akuli> antiviruses are stupid <Akuli> they start protecting after someone has already gotten infected <Akuli> anti-exploit programs do that before someone gets infected <mate69247> ive used sandboxie for many years <mate69247> found it to be a good program <mate69247> dont use it right now though, since i use windows mainly for gaming these days and some anti ccheat programs detect sandboie as a evil hacker tool <mate69247> got banned because of that shit <newshound681> . <newshound681> i was just making a point lol :) <mate69247> newshound681: good job <newshound681> mate69247: why has my nick been changed from newshound68 to newshound681? is it because someone already owns it? <mate69247> newshound681: might be, change buffers with alt+arrows to see waht the log says on freenode <rfleming> Greetings! <rfleming> I am speaking to you from irssi installed on Linux subsystem for Windows (Beta) <rfleming> which is running on a version of trusty <rfleming> really weird to run apt on windows :) <mate69247> bot detected <rfleming> I tried to use weechat, but it gave me an out-of-memory error <mate69247> ban initiated <mate69247> what about vim and ranger though rfleming ? <newshound681> Q <rfleming> lemme check <mate69247> newshound681: now you wrote a Q, your'e making progress <rfleming> vim comes preinstalled... <rfleming> ranger seems to function <mate69247> nais <mate69247> what direcrories do you see there? <mate69247> whats hte root? <mate69247> ubuntu or windows <rfleming> it appears ubuntu <mate69247> as i thought <mate69247> would be nice if you could navigate windows there <rfleming> am looking :) <rfleming> yes <rfleming> everything is in /mnt <rfleming> /mnt/c/Users/RFleming/Desktop indeed exists <mate69247> cool <rfleming> this is weird <rfleming> really weird <rfleming> this is like the inverse of WINE <mate69247> kinda <rfleming> every CLI app I've run works. I installed cream, and it complains about no X <mate69247> i rather try gpu passthrough thogh <rfleming> I'm kinda afraid to try and install X :) <mate69247> i doubt it works <rfleming> oh snap! <mate69247> runnung full ubuntu now? <rfleming> get an external X server and then you can run gui stuff <rfleming> DISPLAY=:0 cream works a treat <rfleming> going to install i3 and see what happens <mate69247> sadly you wont be ablt to actually manage the windows windows <badila> hi all <mate69247> badila: hi <rfleming> wow <mate69247> go on <mate69247> rfleming: so, whats the wow thing? <mate69247> gotta run, waiting a sec <mate69247> gone <rfleming> exit <rfleming> quit <newshoun168> _ <tiox> Alright that was weird. <tiox> My system's load average was somewhere around 200+ <tiox> And it was all because of Firefox's memory going ape. <tiox> Like, load average calculation on MATE's indicator panel maxes at 20 and I was ten times that. <sanuel> possible plex server in ubuntu mate #ubuntu-mate 2016-09-02 <neiasousa> olaa <neiasousa> hello <neiasousa> <neiasousa> <neiasousa> <neiasousa> <neiasousa> <neiasousa> <neiasousa> <neiasousa> <neiasousa> <neiasousa> <logical> This chat looks dead :P <liubin> hello? <liubin> online? <mrbhardw> Hello Experts.. <mrbhardw> so for me situation is still the same with Graphics.. <mrbhardw> can any one please advice what needs to be done.. <ElPresidente> mrbhardw, what's the problem <mrbhardw> i have installed 16.04 LTS on my Toshiba Laptop.. <mrbhardw> after that i have seen some flicring issue.. <mrbhardw> i have intel graphic card <ElPresidente> flickering? like on bootup? <mrbhardw> while running vlc.. or connect with external monitor <ElPresidente> have you updated your system with "sudo apt update" and "sudo apt upgrade"? <mrbhardw> issue is more frequent when connect to External Monitor <mrbhardw> yes.. i did. <ElPresidente> im reading a lot of people fixed it by upgrading their kernel <ElPresidente> what kernel are you on right now <mrbhardw> how to check .. <mrbhardw> i am sorry i am new to linux.. <ElPresidente> type in "uname -r" in the terminal (no quotations) <mrbhardw> 4.4.0-36-generic <ElPresidente> https://aboutsimon.com/blog/2016/07/20/Ubuntu-16.04-external-monitor-flickering-and-turning-off-on-intel-i915.html <ElPresidente> try this <ElPresidente> because i'm seeing a lot of people have the same exact problem on intel graphics and they fix it with a kernel upgrade <mrbhardw> thanks... <mrbhardw> lmc <ElPresidente> however <ElPresidente> i would use nano instead of vim.tiny, it's easier <mrbhardw> ok <mrbhardw> mrbhardw@MRBHARDW-IN:~$ sudo dpkg -i\ <mrbhardw> > linux-headers-636-721-3251_4.4.14-040414.201606241434_all.deb\ <mrbhardw> > linux-headers-636-721-3251-generic_4.4.14-040414.201606241434_amd64.deb\ <mrbhardw> > linux-image-636-721-3251-generic_4.4.14-040414.201606241434_amd64.deb <mrbhardw> [sudo] password for mrbhardw: <mrbhardw> dpkg: error: conflicting actions -l (--list) and -i (--install) <mrbhardw> Type dpkg --help for help about installing and deinstalling packages [*]; <mrbhardw> Use 'apt' or 'aptitude' for user-friendly package management; <mrbhardw> Type dpkg -Dhelp for a list of dpkg debug flag values; <mrbhardw> Type dpkg --force-help for a list of forcing options; <mrbhardw> Type dpkg-deb --help for help about manipulating *.deb files; <mrbhardw> Options marked [*] produce a lot of output - pipe it through 'less' or 'more' ! <mrbhardw> some error <ElPresidente> try "sudo dpkg -i linux-headers-636-721-3251_4.4.14-040414.201606241434_all.deb linux-headers-636-721-3251-generic_4.4.14-040414.201606241434_amd64.deb linux-image-636-721-3251-generic_4.4.14-040414.201606241434_amd64.deb <ElPresidente> "sudo dpkg -i linux-headers-636-721-3251_4.4.14-040414.201606241434_all.deb linux-headers-636-721-3251-generic_4.4.14-040414.201606241434_amd64.deb linux-image-636-721-3251-generic_4.4.14-040414.201606241434_amd64.deb" <ElPresidente> one line <mrbhardw> ok.. <mrbhardw> rebooting <ElPresidente> how is it? <mrbhardw> thanks... <mrbhardw> <ElPresidente> installed .. <mrbhardw> gonna test with external monitor soon <ElPresidente> type "uname -r" in the terminal again to double check you're using the right kernel <mrbhardw> vlc seems to be resolved <mrbhardw> ok <mrbhardw> mrbhardw@MRBHARDW-IN:~$ uname -r <mrbhardw> 636-721-3251-generic <mrbhardw> mrbhardw@MRBHARDW-IN:~$ <ElPresidente> yep that's right <mrbhardw> <ElPresidente> manny thanks.. <ElPresidente> mrbhardw, no problem! <mrbhardw> graphics seems to be improved .. <mrbhardw> no flickr from last 10 min <mrbhardw> Awsome mate <mrbhardw> thanks alot <alkisg> Is anyone here using the default Ambiant-MATE color scheme in pluma? It's extremely dark and unreadable for me, so, if it's not just me that complains about it, then I should file a bug report... * alkisg switched to Oblivion instead <naveen> Hello, Can anyone help me... i just installed Ubuntu MATE 16.04.1 LTS 64 bit. just saw in system monitor.. using more than 600 mb...while using hex chat...using 650 mb... <alkisg> naveen: are you talking about RAM usage? <naveen> Yes <naveen> more than 600 mb usage ram just for running is fine? <alkisg> What's the output of this command? <alkisg> free <naveen> total used free shared buff/cache available <naveen> Mem: 3842760 349328 2241700 79052 1251732 3148292 <naveen> Swap: 7811068 0 7811068 <naveen> in system monitor showing 680mb usage ram at this time <alkisg> The "used" one is what you want to look at, 349328 <alkisg> It's fine for a booted system <alkisg> system monitor may report ram used for caching etc, that doesn't matter <naveen> ok. <naveen> thanks for your help <alkisg> np <ouroumov> alkisg, I agree with you about the pluma color scheme. I'm also using oblivion because the default one is ugly as hell. <alkisg> Thank you ouroumov <alkisg> flexiondotorg: any thoughts on that? ^ <alkisg> I.e. that the default pluma theme is too dark and unreadable <alkisg> E.g. dark purple text on dark gray background, too much strain on our eyes * SuperEngineer buys night vision glassses for all - just send me your email address, bank a/c details and pin munber :-) <Seferi> Hi, i installed another distribution to dual boot with ubuntu mate but i have the grub from the other distribution now. how can i get the ubuntu mate grub back? <ouroumov> Hm, I don't know. <ouroumov> Seferi, maybe ask/search on our forums? <Guest29934> hey guys <ouroumov> hey <Guest29934> in Ubuntu Mate my laptop displays videos in a very small window in the middle of the screen <Guest29934> in VLC, in SMPlayer <Guest29934> no difference <Seferi> I will check the forums and get back here, thanks <ouroumov> Guest29934, is this a recent machine? <ouroumov> (Skylake)? <Guest29934> yes, it's the HP Star Wars edition laptop <Guest29934> http://www8.hp.com/us/en/campaigns/HP_Star_Wars_laptop/overview.html <ouroumov> Guest29934, try what I did in this thread: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/dell-optiplex-7440-aio-skylake-graphics-bug/8168/5 <Guest29934> thanl you <Guest29934> thank you <ouroumov> Guest29934, any luck? <Guest29934> yes, it worked perfect <Guest29934> thanks you again <ouroumov> Guest29934, wait a sec <ouroumov> Can you please contribute your machine specs to the thread and / or the bug report? <ouroumov> You can gather the specs using: inxi -MCSG <Guest29934> allright, will do so a bit later, you got my word on it <ouroumov> Thanks :) <Guest29934> is that a terminal command or a program <ouroumov> Terminal command :) <Guest29934> ok, another quick thing <Guest29934> the mouse vanishes sometimes <Guest29934> just can't find it on screen <Guest29934> then it comes back after a while <Guest29934> seems to be a video driver problem as well <ouroumov> Anything specific triggering it? <Guest29934> not that I can tell <Guest29934> just browsing <ouroumov> Next time it happens, try to switch to tty1 (CTRL+ALT+F1) then back to graphic mode (CTRL+ALT+F7) <Guest29934> allright, thank you <blinko> hi, I am trying to install ubuntu mate in a laptop with two disks in raid 1, with gpt/bios. I have 4 partitions. sda: bios grub part, boot part (btrfs raid1), encrypted swap part (mdadm raid1), main part(luks -> btrfs raid1) ; sdb: same partitioning. I can't configure initramfs and grub to boot into this setup. Can anyone help me please? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/46ba76bb24d7420dac82ab28d1922031 <shelby> well im new <sergioad> Hi there <sergioad> my friend is allready working on the port <sergioad> Pardon me, wrong chat :D #ubuntu-mate 2016-09-03 <logical> Hi, anyone online ? <RobLoach> Playing Brutal Doom https://www.twitch.tv/robloach <logical> lol i love doom <logical> are you using ubuntu-mate channel to promote your twitch xDDDDD wtf??? <logical> hahahahaha <RobLoach> lol.. You asked if I was online... So I responded with yes, playing games. <logical> hahahah i tought its a bot <logical> sorry xD <logical> Anyone knows how I can add Documents folder and others in the Places menu, right click --> edit menu doesn't give me an option <RobLoach> In the Shortcuts? <RobLoach> Add to Favoruties? <logical>
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