#ubuntu-artwork 2005-12-01 <lllmanulll> hey, anyone here ? #ubuntu-artwork 2005-12-02 <os2mac> someone around? <artnay> os2mac: sure. <os2mac> I have been trying for several days to get someone to send me a copy of the offical background for ubuntu... I am using kubuntu and am getting tired of blue... <artnay> os2mac: hah, I get the point. wait a sec <artnay> are you sure you want the default bg? it's a bit messy, well, at least I think so <artnay> http://art.ubuntu.com/ <os2mac> I have looked on there and don't see the default <artnay> if you can't find any reasonable bg from there, I could send the original one to you <os2mac> that is what I am looking for... I have all the ones I like from there but I like the original... <os2mac> could you please. <os2mac> rhonda96@example.net <artnay> umh <artnay> you want 4:3 to 16:9? <artnay> 4:3 or 16:9, I stand corrected (by myself) ;) <os2mac> 16;9 <os2mac> I have a widescreen laptop <artnay> http://users.evtek.fi/~jirig/ - there you have both of them, warty* <artnay> and some other ubuntu bgs <os2mac> thank you.... nice cats <artnay> umh, yeah. should upload some new photos. <artnay> AUC needs new stuff <artnay> should upload the default breezy bg to AUC <artnay> why on earth it's not there :o <os2mac> nor is the default kubuntu stuff.... <artnay> yeah, artwork team should get organized asap. there's not much on the lists either :/ #ubuntu-artwork 2005-12-03 <artnay> hello <derek[] > hi <artnay> I'm creating a long todo list <derek[] > for? <artnay> for artwork team <derek[] > dapper? <artnay> yep <derek[] > ok <artnay> Usplash: Improvements coming, consider 24-bit picture and 16 colour fallback picture, GDM Theme: ??, GNOME Splash: this shouldn't be neede anymore as GNOME 2.14 tries to minimize the loading time to "none", still fallback should be provided, backgrounds: create/choose nice set of backgrounds and GDM theme to fit with bg, Font: Consider font change?, Iconset: Humility under development, probably a name change coming with new icons. Think about Tango, <artnay> what about GRUB theme? Calendar? <artnay> make AUC known, it's not listed anywhere on ubuntulinux.org or ubuntuforums.org <artnay> what else? <artnay> let's gather things up, wiki is a fucking mess <derek[] > i see <derek[] > well I haven't run Ubuntu yet :( <derek[] > still waiting for getting some new hardware before I can install it <artnay> what's preventing you? <derek[] > but I'm a designer, and am up for help to Ubuntu <artnay> Ubuntu's artwork needs help, it's not very well organized at the moment <derek[] > i'm waiting for a new computer on which i can run linux <artnay> artwork team <derek[] > i see <artnay> that's the beauty of GNU/Linux, you can run it allmost on any computer ;9 <derek[] > are you one of the organisers? <artnay> no I'm not <derek[] > k <artnay> I've been watching this for months now <artnay> nothing seems to happen <artnay> mailings lists and this channel are pretty dead <artnay> and I'm tired, I want to see something to happen <derek[] > okay <derek[] > I must first be in Ubuntu and see the present artwork in use <derek[] > cuz when you say: <artnay> what about GRUB theme? Calendar? <derek[] > I've not yet seen it <artnay> there's no GRUB theme currently AFAIK <artnay> calendar should be set for one release cycle <artnay> that is six months <derek[] > which calender? <artnay> it's a bunch of backgrounds for different months <artnay> it's a metapackage <artnay> oh dammit, go install ubuntu and then install ubuntu-calendar ;) <artnay> ubuntu needs you <derek[] > :) <artnay> are you running win? <artnay> we also should consider how to select the backgrounds/icons/themes that will be included by default <artnay> there's not much space left on one cd install <artnay> anybody? <artnay> I need some help here ;) <artnay> Danten: <Danten> artnay <artnay> hey <Danten> hi <artnay> I'm just gathering a todo list for artwork team, wanna help? <artnay> here's the current one: http://users.evtek.fi/~jirig/artwork-todo <Danten> hmm not really sure, Im not part of the team actually <artnay> I thought I would make it more complete before posting it to lists <artnay> me neither <artnay> :) <Danten> :) <artnay> but we can still help <Danten> oki <artnay> there's ~nothing happening so everyone's input is more than welcome <artnay> tell me if you have things to add <Danten> well I'm not really sure what I can do but :) <artnay> same thing <Danten> I can't find anything particular to add, the only thing that's needed at the moment is structure so we can assign people to things <Danten> Which is rather sad as Ubuntu has got al lot of buzz of its artwork (brownish) :) <Danten> But your plan was to update the wiki? <artnay> no <Danten> no? <artnay> my plan is to make that list as complete as I can (maybe with help of others), then post it to mailing list <artnay> then we should clean the wiki page <artnay> add all those topics there, links to subcategories <Danten> ahh, then I understand <Danten> well, I start scanning the forums for stuff <artnay> that's why I'm asking for help in here :) <artnay> bachler: hey <bachler> hey <artnay> bachler: do you want to help? <bachler> yeah, if i can <artnay> ok, take a look at this http://users.evtek.fi/~jirig/artwork-todo and tell what to add/modify <bachler> kk <artnay> I've heard there's a program for GNOME that fetces stuff from art.gnome.org <artnay> do you happen to know the name? <artnay> I'm not a GNOME person :o <bachler> http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=889 <bachler> ? <bachler> is that what your thinking about? <artnay> yeah, I guess that's it <bachler> ok.. <artnay> thanks <artnay> do you have any exprience with it? <artnay> ohhh, what a day for typos <Danten> hmm me thinking, what about that each version of Ubuntu has it's own personal logo that get used in wallpapers, splashes, screensavers etc. <artnay> Danten: that's being thought at the mailing list <bachler> about the artwork-todo, really good work there, putting it all together.. but its kind of hard for me to think of anything more to add right now.. <artnay> wait a sec <Danten> so then that could be a goal <artnay> so could GNOME Art be forked to fetch stuff from both art.gnome and art.ubuntu? <artnay> it's GPL and there's plenty of time left <bachler> i guess so, yeah.. <bachler> btw, the link for the mousetheme.. it doesnt work for me <artnay> oh <artnay> I'll check it out <bachler> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=19506 <bachler> nice <artnay> bachler: oh, I thought the link isn't working. so is the theme working? <artnay> if it would be an ideal world, that todo wouldn't be needed. all that information should be easily available at wiki <bachler> when i come to think about it, it would be quite cool if the gnome art program could be froked to fetch stuff for ubuntu, but i really think that the original functionallaty to get themes from art.gnome.org is good to keep.. <artnay> now it's a mess, outdated mess <artnay> bachler: sure, but they share the same code <artnay> and what about dupes? <artnay> well, that needs people to develop it <bachler> artnay: i cant get the link to work, so i cant get the mouse theme, so i havent tested it <artnay> let's just try to sum it all up <artnay> it works for me, odd. <artnay> are you able to connect www.gnome-look.org ? <bachler> yeah.. where are u? im in sweden using loopia as dns.. mabye its the thing.. whats the ip of gnome-look? <artnay> 507-653-2812, finland <bachler> oh.. that works <bachler> strange.. <artnay> it traces through telia to gnome-look.org <bachler> well, anyway.. im no ruby guru.. but im sure that someone could fix the gnome art program to fetch art from art.ubuntu <artnay> bachler: yeah, I'm pretty positive on that, too. <bachler> hmmm, do you have the name of the mouse theme <artnay> Pinux's Tux Cursors Theme <bachler> ok.. ill check that out <bachler> im kind of busy at the moment.. schoolwork.. <artnay> me too, rhonda96@example.net. trying to do all these things simultaneously <bachler> but, regarding the artwork-todo. nice job.. but as i said, i cant really come to think of anything to be added right now.. ill give you a shout if i do <artnay> GAIM theme? <artnay> gnome-terminal theme? <artnay> firefox/thunderbird theme? <bachler> ill check with some friends at school too <artnay> it should fit with the default look <bachler> yeah, a gaim theme would be nice <bachler> add it, i say! :-D <artnay> that's one of the reasons why people want to change fx to epiphany <bachler> fx= firefox? <bachler> oh,, yeah.. <bachler> mabye a firefox/thunderbird theme would be nice too <bachler> anymore... <bachler> xmms? <bachler> bmp <Danten> dosen't it exist an ubuntu theme for bmp? <bachler> yeah, but i dont think its installabel throug apt <Danten> aa <artnay> ok, added irssi as well <bachler> i always (after a fresh install) need to go to like, gnome-look or something to get a nice xmms/bmp skin <bachler> xchat colors? <artnay> http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=1374 <bachler> i personally use xchat <artnay> well I use "ubuntued" theme on irssi ;) <artnay> I'll add X-Chat as well <bachler> thats a nice irssi color theme.. maby "port" it to xchat? <Danten> and then maybe gnome-terminal too <bachler> yeah.. but how doest that work with ls --color? <artnay> added <Danten> have no clue :) <bachler> hehe,.. i could try to get some work done with this this weekend <artnay> it's nice to have ideas but there's always a danger that too much of brown here and there makes people to hate it <artnay> that's the danger to change the default themes of programs <artnay> but it's an idea, and we're looking for those, right? <Danten> yepp :) <artnay> I have to clean that list later today <bachler> i dont really think that there sould be a change to the default theme, just added themes.. <artnay> if you have links to themes you're talking about, please paste <artnay> bachler: yeah, maybe we should at least provide an easy way to unify the look of desktop <artnay> apt-get install foobar <bachler> yeah, thats kind of what i was looking for i think <artnay> dapper also needs metapackages for complete themes <bachler> like ubuntu-artwork <artnay> mmm, sort of <bachler> well im no xpert on the apt stuff... <artnay> it would be to nice to get KDE brownish only with one command :> <bachler> yeah <bachler> hmm, i think i need to do some other stuff now.. but. keep up the good work <bachler> and cya <Danten> cya <Danten> a question: <Danten> SHAPES, Deadline ??, Members ??: <Danten> - ?? <Danten> whats that? <artnay> what shapes should be used in metacity decorations, on background, GDM theme etc. <Danten> a <artnay> rounded? <artnay> do we want something like this: http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/64 <artnay> bachler: bye and welcome back ;) <Danten> so practically shapes and colour is the common direction for artist to go <artnay> there are some rules already <artnay> like palettes to use etc. <Danten> So this goal is like "extended rules for Dapper"? <Danten> and then we have a new goal for dapper+1 <artnay> I guess the rules at wiki are still for Breezy <artnay> the whole wiki is Breezy-oriented <artnay> it's outdated <artnay> but I guess the same rules apply to Dapper <Danten> oki <Danten> hmm thinking again :) how easy is it for an artist to start working on a new installed ubuntu machin? like does he has all programs needed or are they easy to get through apt? (as you can see I have no clue) :) <artnay> what kind of graphics? <artnay> vector, pixel, 3d? <artnay> gimp is there by default (for pixel graphics) <artnay> inkscape is available from repos (vectors) <artnay> and then there's maya3d etc. for 3d <artnay> I'm not familiar with 3d programs <Danten> well, I thought all kinds of artist (including audio) and that maybe we should make it easy to know which applications to get, maybe with ubuntu art or so <artnay> well I haven't found a suitable audio editing program yet <artnay> but you can run some windows stuff using wine <Danten> ;P <artnay> it's a shame, I know <bachler> audacity <bachler> i use it when i make sampels for tracking music <artnay> that might work for some people <Danten> Then maybe that could be a goal to collect a list of good applications that can be recomendated <artnay> Danten: I don't think that's artwork team's job, talk to documentation team <Danten> hmm maybe <artnay> they might give some rhonda96@example.net or system -> help <artnay> or then ubuntuforums should be bookmarked by default ;) <artnay> "umh, what's this" <Danten> hehe ^^ <artnay> I'm out of ideas now. It's been a long day and I've nearly finished my work (that's a miracle if you think about what I've been doing here) <Danten> good :) (not that you are out of ideas but I think you got that ;) ) <artnay> and that's it, I'm off. later guys! <Danten> later #ubuntu-artwork 2005-12-04 <artnay> hey guys <artnay> umh, tango updated. new view-refresh icon x) <artnay> still I don't get it why the yellow spot is on left side in address-book-new icon <artnay> every else *-new icon has it on the right side :o <artnay> derek[] : did you install ubuntu? ;) <derek[] > hi <derek[] > no I didn't yet <derek[] > what is tango? <artnay> http://tango-project.org/ <derek[] > OK <derek[] > I'm first learning about FHS: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/fhs/ <derek[] > Here's something that may be useful for you: <derek[] > http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/icons.html <artnay> that's GNOME's way to handle icons <artnay> AndyFitz is developing Humility <artnay> that should replace the default GNOME set <artnay> well at least it's supposed to replace, although I don't know how things are at the moment <derek[] > k <artnay> ok, I've been updating the todo list: http://users.evtek.fi/~jirig/artwork-todo <artnay> If dapper gets Debian's GUI installer, artwork team should put some input on it <klepas> hi you two :) <artnay> hey klepas <lapo> hi there <artnay> klepas: you're one of the team members, right? <artnay> lapo: hi <artnay> ok, lots of new ppl here. care to give comments on this? http://users.evtek.fi/~jirig/artwork-todo <klepas> artnay: yea, 'so-to-say' :) <klepas> And more people. <klepas> Welcome th1nk <th1nk> hey <klepas> [http://users.evtek.fi/~jirig/artwork-todo] artnay: I'll go over it when I can <klepas> Thanks for taking the initiative to do this. We really need to get a move on :) <artnay> I fully agree. I try to make that list as complete as I can (with help of others, credits are there as well), then I'll post it to the mailing list <klepas> good idea <klepas> it's getting late on my end <klepas> well, soon early actually <klepas> but yea <klepas> will go over when i find the time <artnay> we need to solve out what's there now, what we (community) want, how should the changes be done, what's preventing us to do that stuff etc. <artnay> so if you have information on any of those topics, just keep it coming here <klepas> what's preventing us... well that would be laziness :) <derek[] > Does Ubuntu follow SUS or POSIX? <artnay> klepas: disorganization <klepas> And that too <artnay> derek[] : ubuntu is based on linux and GNU, now isn't it? ;) <derek[] > yeah <derek[] > and linux is POSIX complaint? <derek[] > compliant* <derek[] > (anyway, its offtopic) <artnay> well I don't know how compliant it is, haven't read IEEE's / RMS's standard *g* <artnay> I suppose it's quite native though <derek[] > I think I've read linux's relation to POSIX in the past.. not sure <artnay> bachler: I updated the list a bit <bachler> oh <bachler> im @ school now.. so i cant look right now <bachler> just got my xchat config to schoolcomputer <bach_skol> there.. <klepas> guys <klepas> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=31941 <artnay> it's simple and classy, I like it <artnay> although it still has "GDM flaws" (in point of view of windows user) <artnay> what's that Actions button? for init 6? <artnay> user name and password should separated into two different sections and there should be "OK" button <klepas> it's just a mockup <klepas> :) <artnay> I'm not saying it should be like that by default, but it should be possible. that way migration from windows to ubuntu would be a bit easier <klepas> make it reality, and improve it <artnay> I don't know if it's even possible with the current version of GDM <lapo> only one field for username and passowrd is better imho <artnay> lapo: yeah, when you get used to it <artnay> but image how many support calls help desk would get only for that... don't overestimate people :P <lapo> you always need to get used to "new" things <lapo> the support call came for more serieous issue, like not complete vfs support <artnay> lapo: I'm talking about ppl who only surf the web and do some office jobs <artnay> like 40-year-old female secretary who doesn't even know what OS is <artnay> I prefer the GDM way, but as an option the MS would be good <artnay> ok, remove that female part. It could be a male as well. <klepas> well i'm off <klepas> getting earlier and earlier in the morning =) <klepas> need the sleep <artnay> bye <klepas> btw, lapo: nice accessories icon. great work. <artnay> lapo: what was klepas referring to? <artnay> would you like to show it? :) <lapo> it'svtigert work <lapo> lirj http://xoomer.virgilio.it/bat/Icons <lapo> lurk, one key offset :-) <lapo> wait, it's in http://xoomer.virgilio.it/bat/tmp <artnay> hmm, /Icons is a mix of tango and some GNOME influenced icons, right? <artnay> are you doing icons for tango project? <lapo> yes some <artnay> ok, I really like those media icons <artnay> replaced the ones I had with those <artnay> thanks <lapo> these are the current tango media icons <lapo> they need some love btw <artnay> yeah, I noticed they are the CVS icons. kind of blurry, although I might fcuk something up <artnay> what kind of love are planning? colours? shapes? <lapo> I like the shapes, I think I'll plastify the whole set again <artnay> ok. I added a few links to todo lists, mainly to icons section <artnay> ok, to-do list has been changed. I was chatting with mjg59 about Usplash, it's improving <artnay> http://users.evtek.fi/~jirig/artwork-todo #ubuntu-artwork 2005-12-05 <mhz> I think I finished a SVG file for some invitations I will hand in to teachers and parents at a local schol <mhz> school <mhz> However, when I print, it seems something's wrong because edubuntu logo gets a stupid line out of its round shape <mhz> BTW, i'm printing it 720x300 dpi <mhz> well, some little contrib. to edubuntu artwork has been wikied <Tm_T> hi kids <Tm_T> wtf <Tm_T> artnay: no themes to irssi, it's good he way it is <artnay> ok, opinion noted. <artnay> to-do updated <Tm_T> you checked msg I sent too? <Tm_T> and about backgrounds... is svg reguired? <Tm_T> I can do some :p <artnay> SVG is the preferred format <Tm_T> I thought so <artnay> damn, forums are down. bvc just sent me a message <artnay> no dice, disconnected :/ <Tm_T> :/ <artnay> first of all, we should link those projects to each other. what needs to be done before something else can be done etc. <artnay> then priorize them <artnay> e.g. we first need navigation icons before fx theme can be done <Tm_T> yu <artnay> we could think about the dependencies now and then list them to to-do list/wiki <artnay> are you guys willing to help us? :o <Tm_T> I'm just spying here ;) <Tm_T> I'll help if I can, but can't take much responsibility atm, too much projects already <Tm_T> maybe in february or may I have more time <artnay> it's too late then <Tm_T> I thought so <artnay> artwork should be ready before mid March <artnay> then just finalize it before Dapper gets released <Tm_T> so I try february ;) <artnay> but the end of March is the max. deadline <artnay> before that all major artwork projects should be done <artnay> so we're running out of time unless we get more ppl <Tm_T> heh <Tm_T> that reminds me, supposed to do some Kubuntu backgrounds -> <artnay> provide an easy way humanize your KDE desktop <artnay> ;) <artnay> yeah, it's typo day today... <artnay> oh damn <artnay> it wasn't bvc who sent me a msg, some guy just asking how to pimp KDE :> <Tm_T> not me! <artnay> damn, I need the reply from bvc <artnay> he's been on forums many times since I sent the msg <artnay> I should probably just send that msg to volvoguy and see what he thinks. After all, he's the boss <Tm_T> ..nnooo <Tm_T> :p <Tm_T> about fonts: I prefer dejavu fonts <artnay> mhz: care to give us a link for your SVG? <mhz> sure! for which? (i usually upload SVG's) <artnay> the one you were talking about earlier <mhz> artnay: hehhe, sorry. in edubuntu? <artnay> mhz: yeah <artnay> always give us nice images if possible x) <Tm_T> is it possible ;) <mhz> artnay: i wish i could provide the best sources possible. However, i'm just staring generating files using Gimp or Inkscape <mhz> artnay: does this help? http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuChileArtwork?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=tc_edubuntu_wallpaperV1.svg <artnay> mhz: not really, I'm at work (playing with this damn XP) <mhz> hehehe <artnay> and I don't have a proper SVG program here <artnay> makes me sad <mhz> artnay: but was that the link you wanted? <artnay> probably, thanks <artnay> I'll check it out later <mhz> artnay: np. please. any help is mostly appreaciated <mhz> (esp. since I feel totaly newbie here in artwork :) ) <artnay> mhz: is there a png version available for web browsers? <mhz> artnay: of same? there's a jpg one. Select attachments on that page and you'll get ti <mhz> it <artnay> mhz: it's quite small <artnay> but good to see more stuff popping out :) <mhz> artnay: the JPG (not the png) is available if you use MoreActions -> Attachments. [del | get | view] (32.7 KB) attachment:tc_edubuntu_wallpaperV1_s.jpg <mhz> that JPG is 800 x 600 <mhz> afaik <mhz> artnay: the png (very small) is just meant as a preview <mhz> Moin has a plugin for galleries but not implemented in ubuntu sites <mhz> hence I create the small versions and 'attach' the normal ones <artnay> ok, now I see it clearly <mhz> :) * mhz thought he had lost his memory <artnay> uhm, the idea is nice but a) maybe it's too much compressed as logo and those people seem kind of blurry b) the globe seems odd, countries are in wrong places etc. <artnay> but if it's meant for kids, it doesn't need to be photorealistic :o <mhz> artnay: hehehe <mhz> I agree with you. In the SVG all looks good but the missed placed countries <mhz> that's why i dont' understand why the PNG and JPG looks blurry <artnay> maybe you could take the same approach as i.e. worldatlas, draw all the countries there <artnay> that way you could get rid of the edges and countries could be placed even better <artnay> and then some "edubuntu ppl" walking here and there <artnay> I don't know, just an idea... don't take it too seriously :) <mhz> worldatlas? where? <artnay> I mean sort of flat version <mhz> oh <mhz> it has to be round. Ubuntu font and logo are round <mhz> so i meant to keep roundity :D <artnay> ;) <mhz> and the concept of earth united <mhz> is also round <mhz_house> artnay: if you know of any real cool GDM theme howto, please let me know. I tried yesterday and I realized XML is needed. Commented some parts/tags I didnt wanna use, but it did not work :( * mhz_house BBS <artnay> mhz: http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/ <artnay> that's all I have, don't use GDM anyways <artnay> I'm quite disappointed as there is no search rhonda96@example.net <artnay> are you supposed to use google? I guess <artnay> and why isn't there anything about creating themes at the homepage of GDM? <artnay> terrible <mhz> artnay: hence I asked <mhz> :) <mhz> personally, I dont use GNOME <artnay> me neither <mhz> i prefer wmaker perfromance or fluxbox <mhz> KDE is great but too heavy for me <mhz> too many buttons <mhz> :) <artnay> I understand. It needs tweaking in order to get it "simple" <artnay> it's too busy by default <artnay> oh, no answer from bvc :( <mhz> artnay: and the only knowledge i have about GDM is what ogra said (about backgrounds being 1600x1200) and what I see under /usr/share/gdm/ <mhz> bvc? <ogra> mhz, i talked about wallpapers :) <artnay> mhz: one of artworkers <mhz> ogra: oh, sorry <ogra> 1600x1200 and 1600x1000 are the sizes we ship <mhz> ogra: artnay: I am testing this idea (1rst one) of the edubuntu and world for both GDM and wallpaper <mhz> ogra: why 2? <artnay> mhz: for 4:3 and 16:9 <ogra> widescreen <artnay> different ratios <mhz> ahhhhhhh * mhz only has this 10 inches laptop to test :D <mhz> and I can add a line to xorg (virtual) <mhz> to get real wider screen <ogra> throw your widescreen stuff at me ... i have a widescreen laptop <mhz> artnay: so once I feel work is ok in SVG. how do i make it look good for JPG and/or PNG? <mhz> ogra: ok <artnay> mhz: just export it (you're using inkscape, right?) and don't rape it by compressing it too much <mhz> artnay: export options gimme PNG only <mhz> and iirc, wallpapers need to be JPG and GDM uses PNG <mhz> artnay: and I will change the world image * mhz BRB <artnay> mhz: the most idealistic format to be used as a BG is SVG <artnay> you can always export it to png/jpg/whatever, but if possible, make it SVG <mhz> artnay: sure BG will handle SVG? <artnay> mhz: at least in GNOME and KDE <mhz> artnay: i do prefer svg for everything <artnay> and if user for some reason doesn't want to use SVG, one can always export it <mhz> artnay: we are talking about wallpapers or backgrounds for Login display managers? <artnay> mhz: for desktop <artnay> I don't think GDM handles SVGs <mhz> artnay: so when you say BG you mean wallpaper? <Tm_T> well, KDE and Gnome might render svg differently than inkscape for example (they do I know, several issues with it) <Tm_T> so png is safe choice <artnay> yeah, sorry for the inconvenience <mhz> ogra: see? that's why get confused <ogra> all gnome apps handle svg fine ... <ogra> at least since cairo <artnay> unless it has to scale to small sizes <Tm_T> yes, fine, but differently than some svg editors <mhz> so, to sum up... GDM and KDM prefer PNG. (ok, I'll se what it looks like) But, why a jpg wallpaper made in SVG and got exported to, looks so blurry? <ogra> thats a problem with svg, not the renderer <Tm_T> I had example somewhere... <artnay> mhz: is the original logo high res? is it SVG or some badly compressed .jpg? <artnay> sorry, png <ogra> Tm_T, if you find such a prob, please file a bug so we can solve it <artnay> then you resize it to be larger only to see that the quality is terrible <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/difference.png <artnay> ogra: it's well-known problem that SVGs don't scale very well to 16x16 or 22x22 <ogra> artnay, yes, thats not a but <ogra> thats the nature of vector graphics <ogra> *bug <artnay> yep <artnay> Tm_T: I guess the development of sodipodi has been discontinued and that is why it has problems <ogra> yup <Tm_T> artnay: sodipodi and inkscape shows it pretty much same way <ogra> not in your screenshot <mhz> artnay: all I do so far is SVG only <mhz> no idea how to use GIMP the way I can use inkscape <artnay> Tm_T: no they don't. Konq and inkscape do it the right way there but sodipodi's shot differs from others <ogra> konq also has a bug <Tm_T> artnay: konqi is that one in background... you see those round corners? <artnay> mhz: well I haven't learned GIMP either... always done things with photoshop <ogra> but what do you expect, its a browser, not a drawing app <ogra> Tm_T, so file a bug on konqueror <Tm_T> ogra: that same ksvg renders wallpapers if you set KDE to use svg wallpaper <artnay> Konq always adds edges to SVGs <ogra> the rather a bug for ksvg <Tm_T> ogra: and gimp shows that same svg like ksvg do <artnay> if you click on a SVG file. but it on your desktop and it's drawn differently * ogra stays away from KDE as far as he can, so he doesnt know the libs there <mhz> artnay: oh, propietary soft :( <artnay> but put... <Tm_T> artnay: yu, and more and more <Tm_T> that's why wallpapers should be png <Tm_T> because youcan't be sure they are renderedd same way all the time <Tm_T> typo day :( <ogra> ubuntu wallpapers differ anyway between ubuntu/kubuntu ... <Tm_T> true <ogra> i dont think it matters <Tm_T> but I talk about svg as wallpaper in any case <Tm_T> whatever its kubuntu, ubuntu, or something else <Tm_T> imho bad idea <artnay> mhz: I don't use it anymore. I've been learning PS things because my school and former work place had only PS to offer <Tm_T> over and out -> <artnay> well the BG can always be exported to png before the release <Tm_T> please do <Tm_T> -> <artnay> but if you release a BG for others, make it as SVG <artnay> that way it's easy to change colours, add things etc. <mhz> ok, me happier with SVG only * mhz BBL <lllmanulll> Hey there <lllmanulll> I designed three new "tango style" icons for session management (Reboot, Shut Down, Log Out) <lllmanulll> http://www.manucornet.net/GNOME/session_icons/ <lllmanulll> Any thoughts ? <lllmanulll> Any ideas for the Hibernate one ? <ogra> sheep jumping ? <ogra> in a row <lllmanulll> Hmm, I'm afraid it would be a little too comlplex ? <lllmanulll> These will be rather small icons <lllmanulll> no ? <ogra> yup, likely <ogra> but a zzzZZZZ wouldnt be good either <lllmanulll> right... <ogra> what do win and osX use ? <ogra> i have neither around here #ubuntu-artwork 2005-12-06 <derek[] > Hey <mhz> re <artnay> I added lllmanulll's icons to to-do list <artnay> ok, bvc contacted me. now we just need to get volvoguy online <artnay> ok, I sent a mail to AndyFitz. hopefully he replies soon <artnay> Updated: http://users.evtek.fi/~jirig/artwork-todo <artnay> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2005-December/ <artnay> the 1st of December, almost forgot that :) #ubuntu-artwork 2005-12-07 <FireRabbit> mojo, ;) <FireRabbit> hey everyone, are the images used on the official ubuntu cds avaliable somewhere? <AndyFitz> FireRabbit, not to my knowledge. are you after high res version? you can always use a scanner :-) <AndyFitz> the are available within copies the distro as files <FireRabbit> yeah, high res would be nice <FireRabbit> they are? <AndyFitz> well usr/share/gdm/themes/HumanCircle/circle.png <AndyFitz> thats quite high res <FireRabbit> oh well thats not quite the same <FireRabbit> i am talking about the sticker on the cd it's self <FireRabbit> do you know who was in charge of this? someone at canonical? <AndyFitz> typically they have been using a studio for their cd's I don't know about this release however <FireRabbit> who would know? <AndyFitz> I have the email address of the people who provided the original artwork ( logo etc ) however I don't know if they are still a vendor for canonical <AndyFitz> claire would know rhonda96@example.net <FireRabbit> okay, thank you <AndyFitz> actually jane would probably have more of an idea <AndyFitz> rhonda96@example.net.... <FireRabbit> okay <artnay> list updated once again <artnay> I should diff it or do some sort of changes log <artnay> next thing we should do... create deps between the projects <artnay> this should be ported to wiki <artnay> would be much easier <Tm_T> hmm, so we agreed earlier that backgrounds will be svg when working on them, but in release png? <artnay> I think so <artnay> bvc replied me but there's no word from andyfitz nor volvoguy <Tm_T> ok <Tm_T> then I will do some rough ideas soon <artnay> how should we build the wiki? <artnay> Artwork page would be the main page <artnay> then maybe the links should be split some how <artnay> before X is started / GNOME stuff / Applications / Other stuff <artnay> we should also have the main guidelines <artnay> canonical was supposed to give some kind of branding guide <Tm_T> was, supposed <Tm_T> oh, I love those words ;) <artnay> I'll ask what are they planning <Tm_T> please do, you know where to find me ;) =>> <artnay> ok, I've got an idea. we should split the wiki, right? <artnay> Artwork <artnay> This page does not exist yet. <artnay> How about this: <artnay> Artwork would be the main page and it would contain <artnay> FAQ, Current projects, Guides, Resources, Members, Links, Kubuntu artwork, Edubuntu artwork and Xubuntu artwork <artnay> Current Ubuntu artwork projects would contain all topics and maybe the discussion pages should be separated. <artnay> Clicking the topic would give the overall view what's happening, links, dependencies, members, guides and resources <artnay> so it would contain lots of cross-linking <artnay> would that be a mess? <ogra> no idea, but for edubuntu see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuArtwork <artnay> oh yeah, Licensing ;) <artnay> that's an important one <artnay> it looks a lot more cleaner than ubuntu's <artnay> last edited 2005-11-13 <ogra> our community is smaller, not so many edits ;) <artnay> how come there's not enough ppl involved in this? <ogra> and mhz cares very good for all edubuntu wiki stuff <artnay> should we make an open letter and ask for help? <ogra> for edubuntu ? <artnay> ubuntu <ogra> you mean the art team in general ? <artnay> why not for edubuntu as well <artnay> ogra: yeah, at least we should organize as soon as possible <artnay> I understand that ppl have other things to do but still <artnay> nothing will happen unless we make it happen <ogra> do it ... more people are always good ... i'm oly a developer ;) <ogra> *only <ogra> i think you need quite some organisation ... i'm monitoring the art team since the beginning, and there didnt happen much yet ... <artnay> true <ogra> but somehow there is missing the direction ... that probably needs to be sorted first ... <artnay> that's why there should be more ppl online, share our views etc. <ogra> yup <artnay> I've been waiting for a reply to my mails... it would be much nicer if I just could /msg dude and check if he is available using /wii <artnay> now it's a mess: http://users.evtek.fi/~jirig/artwork-todo :) <ogra> i can give you a list with the default screensavers that will be shipped in dapper ... <ogra> mark once made a selection, i think he will insist that he makes the selection <artnay> ok. <ogra> see bugzilla #3044 <artnay> thanks for the info, I updated the list <artnay> hey guys <artnay> http://users.evtek.fi/~jirig/artwork-todo - take a look at the wiki section and let us hear you <mhz> artnay: why that isn't at the wiki? <artnay> because I haven't got any replies to my mails <artnay> I need a blessing first <artnay> then we could start doing things <mhz> artnay: what do you mean ? <mhz> no replies? <mhz> what email? <artnay> nada, nothing <mhz> hehe <artnay> I've asked AndyFitz and volvoguy to give comments <mhz> artnay: but the idea of wiki is exactly that. <mhz> independance <mhz> freedom of speech <mhz> and everyone else can comment on the page <mhz> that url you provide is important, very. <mhz> and should be of everyone's interest <artnay> I can't do that by myself <artnay> I need help for that <mhz> at least, you could wiki it to YourPage/SomeIdeas <artnay> might do that later today <mhz> can I add it for you? <artnay> then there wouldn't be need to send it to list <artnay> sure, just do it :) <mhz> or, email to the list: Please comment about this URL <artnay> no I wouldn't like to get evtek ubuntulisted ;) <mhz> what's your wiki homepage? <mhz> oh, why? <artnay> there's none at the moment <mhz> oh :D <artnay> evtek got lots of traffic from abroad due some things I won't tell gere <mhz> oops. ok <artnay> I didn't have anything to do with it, but still <artnay> it got pretty badly hammered, sort of slashdotted :> <mhz> :( <artnay> mhz: shall we create the wiki on this weekend? <artnay> anybody else? <mhz> artnay: hmmm, which wiki? the wiki page on wiki.ubuntu...? or your own wiki? <artnay> mhz: ubuntu wiki <artnay> I don't want any dupe projects <artnay> we should co-operate as much as we can, that's the only way to achieve our goals <mhz> yup! <mhz> artnay: to have 'edit' privileges in any ubunt wiki, you only gotta create a launchpad account <mhz> and you'll always login using that lp info <artnay> I already got one <mhz> as it is your idea, i thought i could paste your todo proposal below your homepage. <mhz> but i cant create your homepage :) <artnay> Sorry, wrong password. <artnay> but it tells there's a valid account on that name! :) <artnay> hmm, which was it... I have too many passwords :) <artnay> it's not my idea, I guess many people agree on that <mhz> artnay: hehehe, been there! <artnay> they just don't have time or they're being lazy or something <mhz> artnay: ask lp to send the pwd to ya <mhz> artnay: and what I have done to solve the pwd issue is simple. I crate a txt file where i place all my pwds. Then, I encrypt that file and erase the old txt file. <mhz> next time i need to see a password, i only decrypt the file to read. <mhz> :D <artnay> I should do some sort of matrix and make a logic how to store passwords on it <artnay> then encrypt it <mhz> obviously... YOU MUST NOT forget the decryption password, artnay :D <artnay> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork <artnay> now it exists although I had no idea how to add the page to Artwork category (wasn't there) <artnay> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal <artnay> who wants to fix the wiki on weekend? #ubuntu-artwork 2005-12-08 <artnay> updated: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal. now I need to get some sleep, later mates <artnay> about the structure of wiki... do you have any ideas? :o <artnay> we don't want to mess it up and then notice it wasn't that carefully planned <artnay> nevertheless it would be nice to get it updated on this weekend <klepas> hey artnay <artnay> hi klepas <artnay> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal <artnay> there's what I've been thinking <artnay> but I could use some help with planning the structure <klepas> i'd be happy to help <klepas> just busy with stuff <klepas> in the moment <klepas> how long will you be online for artnay? :) <artnay> too long as always :) <klepas> good <artnay> I already closed my phone so my gf won't be bugging me <klepas> well for me that is <klepas> that's nice <klepas> =) <artnay> maybe the Members section should be renamed as Contact <artnay> and then there would be a list of members with e-mail addresses, info on this channel and the mailing list <klepas> i don't think 'members' would be an applicable choice of wording <klepas> how about 'contributers'? <klepas> or something like that <artnay> changed already <artnay> to Contact <artnay> the thing that is bugging me has something to do with the current projects <artnay> how should they be separated? <artnay> main page is easy to modify, but projects page should be planned very carefully <klepas> i'm not even sure myself <klepas> i'm not an 'official' ubuntu contributor yet <artnay> me neither <klepas> :) <artnay> but I just feel thanking Mark for giving us Ubuntu ;) <klepas> Hehe. Reasonable enough <klepas> reason why I started helping out with various things here and there <klepas> not much yet in Ubuntu though <artnay> should we have a page for general feedback? <artnay> or should ppl give their feedback to project's discussion page? <artnay> what if there is no project? if people just want to give new ideas etc. <artnay> and they don't want to use the mailing list nor irc <artnay> or something similiar to "HelpArtworkTeam" <artnay> maybe that would go under FAQ after all <artnay> what do you think? <klepas> yea <klepas> you've got a point about people not wanting/being lazy about using either the ML or IRC <artnay> so that would be one topic then <klepas> definitely <klepas> but somehow i think in our current state, a lot of people wouldn't make use of the wiki either <klepas> as is proven already =\ <artnay> true, but we need to gather up first <artnay> when people see that there's some activity, they might participate <klepas> yea <artnay> now they might think the whole development process is sort of secret (unless they realize that nothing is actually happening) <artnay> I'll take a shower and grab something to eat, brb <klepas> np <klepas> enjoy <artnay> ok, now I feel like F5'd <artnay> is henrik a part of artwork team? at least he is behind AUC <artnay> or is he? :o <artnay> I hate to steal this facility to moan but I contributed 2 backgrounds a couple of weeks back here, still no sign of them and after 2 emails still no feedback if anythings wrong, which is a little frustrating! <artnay> " " <artnay> https://addons.mozilla.org/themes/moreinfo.php?id=1567&application=firefox <artnay> tango theme for fx <artnay> I'd love to see humility theme for fx <artnay> that would bring some consistency <artnay> people are using that as an arguement for changing epiphany <klepas> artnay: yea <klepas> i know what you mean <klepas> Henrik is actually a Canonical guy, iirc <klepas> Henrik, volvoguy (Aaron, iirc) and I have admin rights to AUC <klepas> but I've stopped using administering it because it is simply such an annoying process of adding new items <artnay> ok, I've never tried that art.* concept <derek[] > Is there a ttf viewer for linux where I could preview them? #ubuntu-artwork 2005-12-09 <klepas> Anyone awake? <miketech> more or less :) <klepas> Cool <miketech> :) <derek[] > :) <klepas> Might sleep <klepas> good night you two <klepas> and any other lurkers #ubuntu-artwork 2005-12-10 <viller> hi <viller> everyone's just idleing? <viller> hi #ubuntu-artwork 2005-12-11 <mhz> hi <mhz> anyone here awake and with a printer? <klepas> hey anyone <zyga> hey <klepas> have you guys had a look at artnay's recent ideas about updating the outdated wiki entries? <zyga> I'm not a part of the artwork team <klepas> Ah, alrighty <klepas> Neither am I 'officially' =] <klepas> zyga: interested in joining the art team? we could do with some extra hands here and there :) <zyga> klepas: yes, I've got an idea for a good project <zyga> but I need to contact the photo team: hub, magnon, koke <klepas> cool <klepas> not going to share your idea without them? ;) <miketech> yeah we wanna hear it :) <klepas> holy crap <klepas> AndyFitz is awesome... :D <miketech> ? <AndyFitz> that was random <klepas> Andy showed me something <klepas> hey andy <klepas> show him too <AndyFitz> g'day <klepas> :) <klepas> art team ought to have a right to know... <AndyFitz> http://www.brisgeek.com/files/wallpapers/wallpaper_ubuntu_dapper.svg <AndyFitz> http://www.brisgeek.com/files/wallpapers/wallpaper_ubuntu_dapper.png <AndyFitz> klepas is referring to this <AndyFitz> submitted to art.ubuntu.com earlier <miketech> lol <miketech> cool <miketech> did u use inkscape for this? <klepas> he did <miketech> this is really awesome <zyga> re <zyga> yeah the idea is to ask ubuntu affiliated people from around the world to make a few photos of the world around them <klepas> zyga: nice idea <zyga> then go thru the photos and select the high quality and interesting ones <zyga> built a few themes for various regions <zyga> and maybe some composites from multiple photos <zyga> each photo could have a small globe in the corner with a dot pinpointing the location <klepas> zyga: make the globe of etiquette design :) <klepas> as in the icon theme <zyga> I didn't thought of the details yet, I need to contact someone to make this go and set up a dump space for the photos <zyga> I wanted to make a black-and-white theme that could contrast nice with a translucent globe and nice yellow dot <zyga> AndyFitz: nice <zyga> AndyFitz: I don't particularly like the blurrines of the bigger drake but it's still nice <klepas> zyga: sounds something that'll get the go <zyga> klepas: ? <klepas> zyga: the photo idea - it sounds like something that'll get a lot of support :) <zyga> :-) <klepas> http://lobby4linux.com/WordPress/?p=63 <AndyFitz> zyga, updated <AndyFitz> klepas. all ready for AUO <zyga> AndyFitz: nice :> <AndyFitz> got it from 632kb to 389kb using pngcrush <AndyFitz> thats so rad <zyga> AndyFitz: pngcrush? <AndyFitz> pngcrush.sf.net <AndyFitz> its a commandline tool that can do awesome things to png files like brute force compression trying every combination of compression without losing a pixel <AndyFitz> for a 1920x1200 raster file 389kb is amazing <AndyFitz> well nice considering the amount of gradients <zyga> sf net is dead? <klepas> zyga: sudo apt-get install pngcrush <klepas> :) <zyga> :-) <zyga> anyway <klepas> To use <zyga> who could I contact to set things in motion? <klepas> pngcrush -reduce inputfile.png outputfile.png <zyga> I'd need a dump space for the photos <klepas> Henrik <klepas> from Canonical <zyga> I can set up a good webpage with infos myself <klepas> he set up AUC <zyga> is he around on irc? <klepas> but setting up your own stuff would be pretty good <klepas> Not sure, but I can give you his email <klepas> here: <klepas> Henrik Nilsen Omma <rhonda96@example.net> <klepas> make sure to tell us how it goes <klepas> :) <zyga> k, thanks :-) <klepas> No worries <derek[] > hi <klepas> hello derek[] <derek[] > Wie gehts? <klepas> Ach, gut. Und Ihnen? <derek[] > Gut, danke! <artnay> hey mates <artnay> AndyFitz: nice BG, so warm feeling in it :) <AndyFitz> cheers artnay <artnay> if I recall right, volvoguy is in a surgery at the moment? (or recovering) <artnay> right? <AndyFitz> if someone has the time to touch up the duck please do. I'm really in it for pushing that gradient background as the format for ubuntu-calendar stuff <artnay> it's the day of independence today (a day off in other words) <AndyFitz> yeah I think aaron is. <derek[] > hey <derek[] > which BG? <klepas> derek[] : <klepas> 20:52 < AndyFitz> http://www.brisgeek.com/files/wallpapers/wallpaper_ubuntu_dapper.svg <klepas> 20:52 < AndyFitz> http://www.brisgeek.com/files/wallpapers/wallpaper_ubuntu_dapper.png <klepas> :) <derek[] > ok <derek[] > nice art work <derek[] > :) <derek[] > but why the duck? <derek[] > *drake <derek[] > is it the new mascot? <derek[] > :) <klepas> Dapper Drake <zyga> http://ubuntu.suxx.pl/ubuntu-photo-project/ <zyga> I obviously welcome comments <mhz> re <zyga> mhz: http://ubuntu.suxx.pl/ubuntu-photo-project/ * mhz opening tab * mhz loves tabs fro browsing <mhz> zyga: I like it but wonder why such proposal is not a wiki page instead? <zyga> ah I don't really like editing wiki pages <zyga> once I get the initiall feedback I'll paste that to the wiki and make a spec <zyga> s/initiall/initial/ <mhz> zyga: why? <zyga> each wiki has slightly different syntax <mhz> this way we can all discuss it and newcomers can read it too <zyga> yes I know :/ <mhz> zyga: yes, but Plain text is universal :) <mhz> you can use that for every wiki <zyga> right now this is my personal sandbox for this project, I still want to add gui mockups and the background template <mhz> and I can take care of making it look more col <mhz> cool <zyga> I'll concider that :) <mhz> hehe <mhz> good <mhz> team work <zyga> I'll move this to the wiki eventually <mhz> you have ideas, we complement them <zyga> I've already added a section about multihead support <mhz> good * klepas washes sleep from his eyes #ubuntu-artwork 2005-12-12 <klepas> hi mgalvin <mgalvin> hi klepas <klepas> how are you? <mgalvin> good, how are you <klepas> Quite alright. Enjoying 8 weeks of holidays :) <mgalvin> lucky you :) <klepas> yea, graduated last week. and we finish early this year <mgalvin> cool, congrats <klepas> it's just high school <klepas> nothing big <klepas> next year will be lovely though <klepas> college! :) <mgalvin> still a mgood ilestone in life <mgalvin> er milestone <klepas> Yea. :) <klepas> have you seen any of the recent suggestions of artnay? <mhz> re <klepas> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal <mgalvin> no i haven't <klepas> add to your to-do :) <artnay> hello <artnay> added new information on icons and BGs <klepas> hey artnay <artnay> hi klepas <artnay> so humility is not under development anymore <artnay> but at least we're encouraged to play with it, give some ;) <klepas> Humility is still under development <klepas> though the name has changed <artnay> no it's not, andyfitz confirmed that <klepas> alright <klepas> so what is really happening with it now? <klepas> I'm editing one of the respective wiki pages <artnay> a new is coming on the 23rd on january <klepas> Okay <Tm_T> hum <klepas> I'll make sure to keep him to that date :) <klepas> hey Tm_T <Tm_T> hullo <Tm_T> any of you using dapper? <klepas> artnay and I are reworking the wiki <klepas> Not me. Suse actually in the moment <Tm_T> uff <Tm_T> burn him! <Tm_T> ;-P <klepas>
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