#ubuntu-server 2005-11-28 <Pygi> hi hi <fabbione> hey pi <Pygi> o, I've got a new nick :) <Pygi> I see you got ubuntu bot in here <troy> good day folks <Pygi> night' troy :) <fabbione> no bot <fabbione> it's just a irc log <Pygi> ah <fabbione> logs are on people.u.c/~fabbione/irclogs <fabbione> the first will appear in about 20 minutes or so <troy> fabbione: I've been meaning to mention this: I originally intended this channel to be a general discussion and support channel for server topics <fabbione> troy: discussion ok .. support -> #ubuntu <troy> why? <fabbione> otherwise we can say goodbye to this channel for too much noise in a day or two <fabbione> because the "server" software is the same that's in the archive <fabbione> and support can be done on #ubuntu <fabbione> there is no difference from any other package <fabbione> they are just package <fabbione> +s <troy> I didn't really intend to become a devel channel - was thinking along the lines of #ubuntu is to #ubuntu-devel as #ubuntu-server is to #ubuntu-server-devel or somesuch -- it's pretty much standard in most freenode projects <troy> #kubuntu gets it's own support channel <fabbione> nah <fabbione> trust me.. too many channels.. too much confusion <fabbione> let's keep the resources to run a project to minimum <fabbione> if we need to scale <fabbione> we can <fabbione> that's the important thing <fabbione> but spreading too few people on too many channels (irc, mailing lists, etc) <troy> I'm a big fan of dedicated channels for topics as the need arises <fabbione> it's not productive imho <fabbione> troy: that's why we can start we a minimum and scale if required <fabbione> we also need to keep s/n ratio at a good rate <troy> when #kde became too full in ... 1999 maybe, they split into #kde and #kde-devel <troy> the same should happen here <fabbione> exactly <fabbione> if we will have too much traffic we will split <troy> at the moment, we can do support in this channel without serious SNR problems <fabbione> as it is now let's keep it mainly for devel <fabbione> troy: we already saw 2/3 users coming here asking for general support <fabbione> like: my nmap doesn't map <fabbione> that's clearly not -server related <fabbione> it will be difficult to tell people #ubuntu for this.. -server for that <fabbione> IF there will be a need for a dedicate server support channel <troy> fabbione: of course there will be overlap, just as there is between #ubuntu and #kubuntu <fabbione> we will move development on -server-dev <fabbione> and keep this one open for support <troy> in the meantime, lets not shun people coming in here for support <troy> because if I was looking for support for configuring apache, the SNR regarding desktop issues in #ubuntu would turn me away <troy> and the people in here would be much more likely to pick up the question (less noise) <fabbione> yes i agree, but here nobody has time to do support <fabbione> at least i don't <fabbione> and considering the amount of people in here <fabbione> it's morelikely he can get an answer on #ubuntu than here <troy> like 6 of which are active, yes. but this channel is all of... 3 weeks old? <troy> fabbione: are you sponsored by anyone to do linux work? <fabbione> troy: i work for Canonical <fabbione> <- linda89@example.com <troy> fabbione: I understand your stance now - I'm not used to having paid people having to budget their time in IRC channels <fabbione> troy: ehhe <troy> that said, I'd like to provide community support here when it's appropriate, and when I can <fabbione> troy: i am not against it <fabbione> don't get me wrong <fabbione> i don't want this chan to turn into #ubuntu2 <troy> but you are thinking about providing support in a more official capacity, which requires more people covering more time than the non-obligation varieties of community support * troy doesn't know what #ubuntu2 is <troy> ahhh, not a literal :) <fabbione> #ubuntu2 -> yet another #ubuntu support channel <troy> right right <fabbione> troy: exactly.. that's why #ubuntu is somehow more appropriate.. because given the S/N ratio. it still has tons of more users that can actually help <fabbione> i can't be on IRC 24/7 <fabbione> neither can you <fabbione> or others <troy> no, but we are not obligated to be <fabbione> no <fabbione> we are not <troy> I put in the topic: for general support see #ubuntu or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat for other channels <fabbione> but if you turn the chan in support, people will be disappointed because it's still a bit too empty ;) <troy> that's the way I see it <troy> meh, it'll grow <fabbione> yeah it will <fabbione> as soon as i can announce the overall <fabbione> that's all stalled on the only list admin that unfortunatly is without inet connectivity atm <troy> I posted a note about it on ubuntuforums, and two or three people showed up from there <troy> that was maybe... a week ago or so -- also, added it to wiki list of channels <troy> at that point I was operating on the advice of JRiddel (I wonder if I spelled his nick right) <fabbione> riddel yeah :) <fabbione> that's ok <fabbione> good night guys <fabbione> cya tomorrow <troy> cheers fabbione * troy wanders off for food #ubuntu-server 2005-11-29 * troy yawns * spike echoes the yawns <Pygi> hi hi <troy> morning folks <troy> or equivalent <Pygi> Hi #ubuntu-server 2005-11-30 * troy yawns <Valandil> hi all :-) <fabbione> shawarma: ping? <shawarma> pong <fabbione> shawarma: i will be at e2e the 15th <fabbione> of Dec of course <shawarma> Yeah, at two o'clock, right? <fabbione> yeps <fabbione> till 4 or something <fabbione> i have the plane linda89@example.com... <fabbione> 18:35 <fabbione> so i need to be at the airport ~17:30 <fabbione> remember to take your finger print and a document <fabbione> we will do little key signing there <shawarma> Hardly. It's a very small airport. They usually require you to be there 30 minutes before take-off. <shawarma> And it's quite close to the city. <fabbione> yes it's 15minutes y taxi from e2e <shawarma> Right. <fabbione> but i rather be there a bit early than having to rush and worry <shawarma> Sure. <fabbione> i hate really hard to be in a hurry <fabbione> it stresses me a lot <shawarma> Me too. <shawarma> Well, I'm looking forward. <fabbione> so ma i <fabbione> am i <shawarma> Is it still just an informal chat about ubuntu stuff or have you figured out more specifically what it's about? <fabbione> it's still informal chat <shawarma> All right. <fabbione> i will give a 10/15 minutes introduction or something <fabbione> but after that i want it to be informal <fabbione> i hate slides as much as some guys there do <shawarma> LOL <fabbione> i might take something with me.. we will see <shawarma> Uh. <fabbione> i have breezy CD's and some stickers ;) <shawarma> Uh, those stickers that I've seen on the pictures from ubz? <fabbione> the one for laptops <shawarma> exactly. <shawarma> Uh... Nice! <fabbione> yeah i have about 10 i thnk <fabbione> i think <fabbione> not many <fabbione> but i have Cd's <fabbione> plenty <shawarma> Yeah, me too. <spike> hi there <Valandil> hi spike <Pygi> Hi hi <spike> hi Pygi <Pygi> what's goin' on in this channel? not much discussion right now, huh? :P <spike> Pygi: lucky man, I had to wait 30 minutes for an "hi" ;) <spike> u've got urs in 13 sec <spike> :P <Pygi> ah :) <Pygi> thanks :) <spike> Pygi: it depends I guess, yesterday I got a few questions answered and a nice discussion about what's going on <Pygi> Ah, I know :P <Pygi> there was some discussion goin' on about instant-server project almost every day, but it seems that... <Pygi> hm.. <Pygi> I won't say nothin' :) <spike> what? <spike> what's instant-server? <Pygi> nothin', nothin' :) <Pygi> wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuInstantServer <spike> ah, didnt know of that <spike> sounds like CDD <Pygi> ah, well... <Pygi> I don't know what will come out of that.... <spike> umh, well, I don't see how that is related to ubuntu-server, at least with my understanding of it <spike> ubuntu-server should be ubuntu for sysadmins, instant-servers sounds like ubuntu-desktop+networ services for newbies <Pygi> ah, I wouldn't like to talk about that project because I might say somethin' wrong, 'cause I left that project <spike> I don't care about wizards and stuff, I care about packages, dependences like the X one removed (which is the case) and so son <spike> selinux integration, blablbalba <Pygi> ah, well :) <spike> that's not little :) <Pygi> can you gimme suggestion for multi-platform graphical toolkit? :) <Pygi> yup, I know it's not little :) <spike> wxPython? <Pygi> ah, I wrote somethin' wrong :P <Pygi> multi-platform graphical toolkit name? :P <Pygi> ergh, I am makin' a toolkit <Pygi> I need a name ;) <spike> aaaaah <spike> ahaha <Pygi> ;) <spike> do you want something serious or not? ie, mpGT <spike> that would be easy to remember, expand, print,whatever <Pygi> mp means what? :P <Pygi> ah <spike> multi-platform ;) <Pygi> multi-platform :) <Pygi> gee, cloning my words :P <Pygi> I was thinking of CoconutToolkit :P <Pygi> but that's no good :P <spike> see my question above, do you want something serious or not? <spike> CoconutToolkit says nothing about what sort of toolkit that is <Pygi> yes, I know <Pygi> QT doesn't say nothing either <spike> sure <Pygi> It can be any kind of name <Pygi> doesn't really have to be "serious" name <spike> guess "Medusa" is taken <spike> the mean would been a difference face for Os <spike> because it's multi-platform <spike> so there's a center library, the main face, and stuff to make it works on any other OS (the other faces) <Pygi> ah <Pygi> thanks for suggestions :) <neuralis> Pygi: dude, i seriously don't understand you. you go from reinventing the wheel on one project to reinventing the wheel on the next. <neuralis> Pygi: why on _earth_ do you want to make another graphics toolkit? <Pygi> I ain't reinventing wheel on nothin' <Pygi> I'll just use that for my own project <Pygi> nothin' else <Pygi> btw. I tried suggesting using tasksel... <Pygi> that ubuntu-instant server won't go nowhere... <Pygi> and if you have _ so_ good ideas, tell me what to do not to reinvent the wheel :P <neuralis> whether i have good ideas has nothing to do with whether you keep trying to reinvent the wheel :) <neuralis> is there a particular feature that you need, and that stops you from being able to use existing toolkits? <Pygi> I would like the app to be able to run on MacOS, which GTK+ doesn't provide, and I don't want to use QT <Pygi> that's just one of reasons <Pygi> but nevermind <Pygi> you see sometimes a better wheel can be invented :) <Pygi> more effective and things :) <troy> Pygi: qt is really good though :/ <Pygi> yes, but I don't like there licence thingy <troy> why not? it's GPL on all three major platforms with QT4... <Pygi> yes, I know... <troy> people used to complain that it wasn't GPL, and now that it is, people still complain *sigh* <neuralis> troy: he just really wants to roll his own, so the arguments are sort of pointless ;) <Pygi> neuralis: not true :/ <troy> plus, PyQT is really good for rapid prototyping too, since you like python <neuralis> Pygi: actually, a nearly complete OS X port of gtk just became available a few days ago, there's always wxwidgets, and i believe mono provides transparent x-platform gui compatibility. <Pygi> neuralis: I looked at OS X ports, but found none good :/ Url maybe? <Pygi> and the app will be written in C++, not python this time * troy doesn't like mono, personally, but that's do to the political situation more than anything <troy> ah, then QT should really be an option <neuralis> Pygi: wxwidgets? <Pygi> neuralis: never used it <Pygi> but, oh, well... <Pygi> I'll have to choose something so... * troy grins <neuralis> Pygi: http://developer.imendio.com/wiki/Gtk_Mac_OS_X * Pygi thinks that neuralis will shoot me if I try to reinvent (ergh, improve) the wheel :P <troy> writing your own toolkit is a big deal, and you'd probably spend three years just getting it to a usable on a single platform <neuralis> Pygi: i couldn't care less -- it's your free time, not mine. <neuralis> Pygi: but graphical toolkits are a *bear* to write decently. <Pygi> yes, yes, I know <neuralis> Pygi: why did you stop working on instant-server? <Pygi> because...no one else then me (troy and some others gave suggestions tho) wanted to work nothin0 <Pygi> I was mostly on my own <neuralis> a lot of projects are exactly like that until you generate some momentum. this is not necessarily a bad thing. <troy> we didn't have a line of code down amongst the group yet either <troy> code is important <neuralis> Pygi: besides, instant-server is a very simple project; i'd say it doesn't take more than one determined hacker to do it. <Pygi> neuralis: I never said it's not a simple project... <Pygi> I just said that none want to work on it <Pygi> everyone would like to have everythin' on plate * troy goes off to check the hockey scores <troy> oh oh oh! thanksgiving in my southern neighbour means afternoon games today! <Pygi> :) <spike> hi <Valandil> hi spike <Valandil> :-) <spike> eeeeeeh! <spike> :) <Valandil> ? <Valandil> :-D * spike wonders if wifi is gonna die <spike> am I still here? <Valandil> why? <spike> ok <spike> a girl just passed and stepped into the AP <Valandil> wifi? <spike> wireless <Valandil> ah :-) * Valandil don't like wireless <spike> cabling isnt that good atm, it's been an on-the-fly setup :) <spike> Valandil: get to live in a 3 floors house and u;ll like it :0 <Valandil> I see :-) <Valandil> But we have enough electromagnetism in here ;-) <spike> Valandil: if I had to cable cable this place I'd got crazy <Valandil> spike: could be, but I try to keep emv low as possible in here <Valandil> because of my little daughter <spike> I don't mind, I'll die of cancer anyway :P <Valandil> hmmm <spike> Vonnegut rocks <Valandil> Vonnegut? <spike> Kurt Vonnegut <Valandil> oops <spike> gets cat's cradle <Valandil> sorry, it's late <spike> late? <spike> where are u from? <Valandil> japp, here it's late <Valandil> germany <Valandil> here it's quater to 12 <Valandil> and weekdays my clock rings at 6 am <Valandil> so 12 is quite late <spike> I c <Valandil> and You? <Valandil> where are You from? <spike> just moved to uk :) <Valandil> ah :-) from where? <spike> .it <Valandil> oh :) <Valandil> I never been there <spike> going to CCC in dec? <Valandil> I don't think so... no money, no time, no energy anymore <Valandil> life is a little ... <Valandil> ... stange theese dasy <Valandil> s/stange/strange <Valandil> OK, going to bed... good n8 <spike> night <spike> ops #ubuntu-server 2006-11-01 <Psi-Jack> Hmm. <Alter-Ego> whoo a server list <Alter-Ego> are there docs on ltsp5 ? <kupesoft> Is there a sendmail replacement that just takes emails and sends them from another place via smtp? <theDtTvB> :part <theDtTvB> Oops sorry <pschulz01> Anyone around? <Skid> hi guys, I've got some EM64T hardawre - is this supported under the AMD64 package? <Skid> er, release, sorry <Ries> I think so yes <Skid> ah-ha I see, it is yeah <Skid> thanks. <Skid> "For computers based on the AMD64 or EM64T architecture (e.g., Athlon64, Opteron, EM64T Xeon). It is not necessary for all (even most) processors made by AMD -- only their 64 bit chips." <Ries> Skid: I have a XEON.... I am just not into HW but teh amd64 package works <Skid> yeah, thanks <Alakazamz0r> will it run on Sparc2? <Alakazamz0r> sweet it will #ubuntu-server 2006-11-02 * Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-server.log <Ries> hey Guys, in a makefilee for a debian package I find this line: @-cp debian/dtc-xen-soap $(DESTDIR)/etc/init.d <Ries> should i change debian to ubuntu? <Ries> Ooo never mind... <Ries> I think I found it already <Alakazamz0r> i accidentally deleted my /etc/bacula directory <Alakazamz0r> and all the files in it. <Alakazamz0r> how can i totally reinstall bacula, including the /etc/bacula defaults? <Alakazamz0r> root@bacula:/etc/bacula# cd /etc/bacula/ <Alakazamz0r> root@bacula:/etc/bacula# ll <Alakazamz0r> total 0 <Ries> try a apt-get install --reinstall bacula <CarlFK> dapper desktop live cd kernel seems to support raid1 (/dev/md0 type) but edgy-desktop doesn't. is edgy-server the same, or does anyone know if the 'rescue mode' on the -server CD does have md support? <Ries> I can imagine that server support md0.... But I don't run SW raid... so I cannot tell for sure <CarlFK> fdisk shows Disk /dev/md0: 20.8 GB, 20883832832 bytes <CarlFK> I want to dd that to a normal partition so that I can fsck it <CarlFK> and not mess up my current mess <CarlFK> how do I make a partition that size, or can it be a bit bigger? <tmh_> it can <CarlFK> cool. thanks <buzznut> anyone here able to help with getting postfix+sasl+mysql to work on edgy? Moving from debian stable to ubuntu-server <buzznut> anybody able to point me to the right place for help on this? I can't get postfix to see my config in smtpd.conf in /etc/postfix/sasl <sharms> buzznut: wiki has all instructions <buzznut> sharms: looking at that howto right now to see if it is one of the many that I have consulted. <buzznut> everything works great but smtp auth, but I will check the wiki to see if it provides me any insight <buzznut> I tried to follow this howto at http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/ <buzznut> but smtp auth doesn't work <buzznut> sharms: which one of the many articles on the wiki do you recommend? <sharms> buzznut: ha none really, but the 3rd party docs like flurdy never seem to work on my system <buzznut> sharms: aint that the truth. I am pulling my hair out because I have everything rocking but one piece and I just can't seem to get past it. <buzznut> looks like I am going to start over with the complete virtual mail howto :) <anne__> hi <anne__> is there a way to connect Winterm ICA-based thin clients to an ubuntu server ? #ubuntu-server 2006-11-03 <Alakazamz0r> Can ANYONE help me... set up a DLT7000 with bacula on Ubuntu server? <shoobs> Hello :) <shoobs> I have a question. <shoobs> How can I get the install to proceed (Dapper server) with only a USB keyboard connected? <shoobs> My BIOS doesn't support USB input peripherals. <KenSentMe> Anyone here installed hula on ubuntu dapper? I've installed hula according to the wiki, but used other ubuntu debs i found on the hula site. I installed slapd as well, and configure hula-admin with option managed-slapd option. Now i get this error when running hula-admin: Driver MDBLDAP failed to load:Driver MDBLDAP, Init failed with: Could not initialize LDAP connection <thefish> KenSentMe: dont know hula, but that looks like the ldap server isnt running <thefish> try starting openldap <KenSentMe> thefish: i think i've found the solution in #hula, it was a problem with hula not starting <thefish> k <thefish> KenSentMe: is it a fairly simple install? ive been meaning to try it <KenSentMe> thefish: there's a wiki page, the install is simple, but the use i don't know <KenSentMe> thefish: i've been looking into hula, but it seems to much for me. The webinterface is disabled and there are hardly any docs or tuts about configuring hula <thefish> KenSentMe: you looked at zimbra? <thefish> if you dont mind not having a built in web interface, kolab is very good(buit from common oss parts, openldap, postfix, cyrus etc) <KenSentMe> Well, i think i stick with some lower-end solutions, but zimbra sure looks nice <KenSentMe> I'm now trying to share my calendars on a webdav server, but it won't work properly <buzznut> !seen sharms <KenSentMe> Is it possible to install a caldav server on Ubuntu? <cemil> hi there :) <cemil> today i played a little bit with kickstart <cemil> and i have some questions, hope someone is here :) <cemil> i want to use my own repository for my installation <cemil> but how can i make a repo for "server"? when i use debmirror, i have a "normal" mirror <cemil> with the normal packages.gz, etc <cemil> and it it installs a lot of useless shit :) <cemil> also i miss /install, when i mirror with debmirror <cemil> so - i maybe want a mirror for dapper server, right? <pschulz01> cemil: Still here? <pschulz01> Hi purserj <purserj> hey #ubuntu-server 2006-11-04 <cemil> pschulz01: yeah <pschulz01> :-) <pschulz01> cemil: Did you figure out what to do? <purserj> now thats what I call lag #ubuntu-server 2006-11-05 <Keigo-kun> is it possible to do a server install from the liveCD? <pschulz01> Keigo-kun: still here? <Keigo-kun> yeah <pschulz01> Keigo-kun: It is probably better to get the 'alternate' CD <Keigo-kun> I guess, but I have a dapper CD right here, but no free CD to burn a new one.. <Keigo-kun> so would be great if it was possible with a normal CD <pschulz01> Keigo-kun: Why do you want a server install? <Keigo-kun> Because I want it minimalist.. I just want the programs I pick, insted of getting tons I never use <Keigo-kun> also, as a learning experience I guess <pschulz01> Keigo-kun: Have a look.. before the CD boots, there may be an option. (I'm not sure). <Keigo-kun> There isn't :( <pschulz01> Keigo-kun: Hmm.... <Keigo-kun> I tried pressing F6 to get additional options <Keigo-kun> but that just allows me to give arguments <pschulz01> Keigo-kun: If you're keen to get started, you can install and remove packages after the install (eg. ubuntu-desktop) <pschulz01> Keigo-kun: .. but you're right. A direct server install is the best way of installing a minimal system. <Keigo-kun> Yeah, I guess... I just feel like I'll somehow miss something and I'll get tons of problems later because of dependancies etc <pschulz01> Keigo-kun: Are you Redhat user? <pschulz01> you a <Keigo-kun> I'm downloading the Gentoo liveDVD now, I guess I'll try that. If it's too hard, I'll ownload a proper Ubuntu Server CD <Keigo-kun> no, I have only tried Ubuntu <Keigo-kun> ans kubuntu <Keigo-kun> *and <pschulz01> Keigo-kun: Dependencies are handled very well by Ubuntu/Debian packaging and maintainers. <pschulz01> Keigo-kun: 'apt-get' usually handles getting all the dependencies very well. <pschulz01> Keigo-kun: Is there anything is particular that you're after? <Keigo-kun> No, not really :) I just want to sit on an installation where I know what pretty much everything installed is <pschulz01> Keigo-kun: Something else to look at then is 'debootstrap' <pschulz01> Keigo-kun: Under ubuntu/debian, this will download and install all of the packages required to setup a 'choot cage' file system. <pschulz01> chroot <pschulz01> Other than a kernel and and 'init' system for starting daemons, this will show you everything else that ubuntu (or debian) installs for a minimal system. <Keigo-kun> That's pretty cool i guess <pschulz01> Keigo-kun: I use it to run Ubuntu software on a CentOS (work supplied) worstation. <pschulz01> workstation <pschulz01> Anyway.. sorry I couldn't be more helpful. I'm off to bed.. <Keigo-kun> No problem <Keigo-kun> thanks anyway :) <dv5237> is it possible to install ubuntu-server and then xorg+wm to minimize the installation? <dv5237> does someone know how i can install the font fixed? <dv5237> what packge contains the font i mean :) #ubuntu-server 2006-11-06 <peanutb> has anyone gotten postfix working with mysql vdomains? <incorrect> is there anyway to get subversion 1.4 ? <FlyingSquirrel32> I did an apt-get upgrade and now sendmail won't start. It just hangs. The common fix regarding the /etc/hosts and DNS names doesn't seem to be it. Any help? <macaco> hello <macaco> I need to set up my ip using dhcp instead of a fix address <macaco> but now I can't see what's going on <macaco> is there any way I can reset the eth0 to default? <FlyingSquirrel32> macaco: What do you mean by "now I can't see what's going on"? <FlyingSquirrel32> Static/dhcp address is set in /etc/network/interfaces <macaco> hello <macaco> is someone here? <tmh_> macaco: just like the topic says, this isn't a support channel. <macaco> oh my <macaco> gotta go #ubuntu-server 2006-11-07 <shwag> uhh...where do I take ubuntu server support questions to ? <shwag> #gentoo-server is for server usage discussion. Shouldn't #ubuntu-server be a place for ubuntu server discussion ? <shwag> or maybe I want ##ubuntu-server <fabbione> #ubuntu <shwag> fabbione: there are almost 1000 users in there! There needs to a ubuntu server discussion room. <f0xmuld3r> Hi all, can anyone help me with setting up LVM with the Edgy server edition? The installer seems to break when I want to configure LVm during setup <f0xmuld3r> Hi all, can anyone help me with setting up LVM with the Edgy server edition? The installer seems to break when I want to configure LVm during setup <f0xmuld3r> Hi all, can anyone help me with setting up LVM with the Edgy server edition? The installer seems to break when I want to configure LVm during setup #ubuntu-server 2006-11-08 <shwag> Why does php5-gd attempt to install laptop-detect and x11-common as dependencies ? <infinity> shwag: Because it wants x11-common as a libXpm dependency to be able to manipulate XPM images, and x11-common depends on laptop-detect. <shwag> infinity: how did you figure that out? is there a way to get a dependency tree? <infinity> And, for the record, the total installed size of both those packages is smaller than mhy .ssh/authorized_keys, so I'm not sure why people complain about it. <infinity> (x11-common doesn't mean "I just installed X") <infinity> shwag: I know how to use my packaging tools. On the other hand, I also maintain PHP, so I'm at an unfair advantage. <shwag> well its just kinda funny when you are installing php5-gd libraries and the next thing you know you are install laptop-detect on your server. <infinity> Yeah, x11-common's dependency on laptop-detect is... Interesting. <infinity> (THough it's a tiny little script, and it doesn't really make a difference to have it there, it's merely the package *name* that offends people) <shwag> x11-comon is no big deal...fonts, makes sense. Its the laptop-detect that makes people go... uhh..whaaaa <techwhore> yello there. <techwhore> you guys work with gadmintools ? <infinity> Nope;. <infinity> We don't install X, generally. :) <techwhore> that doesn't mean one can do an ssh and export display, right ? <techwhore> i mean, isn't the ubuntu-server group goal to create some sort of Linux Server with the same guidelines as ubuntu desktop ? <techwhore> in other word, easy, graphic adminstration of linux servers ? <Burgwork> there are ways to admin a server graphically without needing to install X on the server <Burgwork> that is part of this teams goal <techwhore> yup, and what tools do you guys use or encourage the usage of ? <infinity> No, honestly, that's not our goal. <Burgwork> infinity: rain on my parade will you <infinity> If people want to work on easy administration, I'm all for it, but it's certainly not the primary goal of ubuntu server. <infinity> We're far more concerned in enterprise-class stability and package selection. <Burgwork> true <techwhore> it seems to me that both goals are not exclusive. <techwhore> good. <techwhore> thanks dude. <shwag> how come when I sudo useradd newuser .... it doesnt create a /home/newuser ? <ivoks> sudo adduser <ivoks> useradd just creates user in /etc/passwd <techwhore> please read the topic. <ivoks> :) <shwag> techwhore: what about the topic ? <jbrouhard> shwag: try adduser <jbrouhard> it's a script that asks you a few questions i believe <shwag> jbrouhard: yah...adduser works. useradd doesnt create directories though. That was rather ambiguous. <jbrouhard> adduser is just a script <jbrouhard> that calls useradd <jbrouhard> with a bunch of options <jbrouhard> anyway <jbrouhard> afk i go <techwhore> shwag <techwhore> -m, --create-home <techwhore> The users home directory will be created if it does not exist. The <techwhore> from useradd manpage <shwag> techwhore: thats what it says...but it actually doesnt exist <shwag> techwhore: adduser rather then useradd fixes the problem though #ubuntu-server 2006-11-09 <nach0s> Hi all, anybody know any web tool to administer the server?? but.. dont webmin... another tool.. and.. free of course.. if have :D... <nach0s> i know that have any tools to administer mail, and other things.. but i search for a tool that have many tools in one... <phanter> hello, short question. does the ubuntu server not support audio out of the box? <Ash-Fox> nach0s, might want to ask #ubuntu. <nach0s> Ash-Fox, oks.. * Ash-Fox points to the topic to explain why. #ubuntu-server 2006-11-10 <Znuff> Anyone tried installing Ubuntu Server this way: http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html#ubuntu <Znuff> ? <shwag> There seems to be no clear line about whether to use Ruby on Rails from APT, or to use gems as the ruby on rails manager. The ruby on rails community that uses ubuntu all say to use ruby gems, but there is a whole ambiguous set of ruby on rails packages in the repositories that are not spoken for. <shwag> I would love to just use app as it seems this would simply configuration, but at the same time I dont want to be stuck with unsupported packages that are not in speed with the rest of the community. <shwag> s/app/apt <Burgwork> shwag: afaik, there is no clear policy for packaging gems yet <shwag> is there a Rails Ubuntu Team ? <techwhore> i never liked debian policy on perl packages myself. <techwhore> i think creating a gem2deb thing would be awesome. <techwhore> like creating a repository of gems in .deb format. * dura waves <dura> I've been googling for a while now and I can't seem to see why the K8 kernel was obsoleted by the generic... ? <Burgwork> because the win of performance was in question and the testing wasn't worth it <dura> Makes sense <Burgwork> there is a thread on -devel about it <dura> I figured it was a reason similiar to that but wanted to read it from a dev. <dura> ahh okay... * Burgwork is not a dev <dura> Close enough :) <Burgwork> heh <dura> I had Gentoo on my new server but got tired of it really quick. One gentoo install is enough ;) <Burgwork> never installed Gentoo <dura> it's not bad really. it's just not what I needed for what I want to do <dura> It's all I'll use on my laptops though. <Znuff> is there ANY freakin' way to install ubuntu-server if I ain't got a system that knows how to boot from a usb drive?! <Znuff> it's really getting on my nerves <Znuff> what is the correct md5sum for the ubuntu-6.10-server-i386.iso file? <Znuff> 'cose I've downloaded it 5 times already and I end up with the same md5sum, but not the one in the MD5SUM file #ubuntu-server 2006-11-11 <shwag> what does it take to make changes to /etc/login.defs take effect ? <shwag> I guess i found an instance where linux is required to be rebooted. <shwag> ~/.bash_profile says "the default umask is set in /etc/login.defs" , but I changed the the UMASK setting in login.defs, and $ umask , still says 022 * dura burps <Ries> hey gius, where can I find information how to use libapache2-mod-fcgid together with php5? <Ries> I have followed a couple of modfgi manuals but thet don't seems to do teh job with libapache2-mod-fcgid <mustafa> hi <mustafa> i dont want apache to start automatically <Kim^J> Hi all. How much MB does the server 6.06 install take? <Kim^J> zenrox: Come come here and answer my question. <zenrox> mb of what <zenrox> ram <Kim^J> HDdd <Kim^J> HDD* <zenrox> 2 gig <Kim^J> WHAT?! <zenrox> 4 gigs once you install all the differnt servers you want <Kim^J> What in the name of the devil does it install that takes 2gig ??? <zenrox> i have a remote gui <zenrox> so i have to have xserver installed <Kim^J> Oh... Well I just want LAMP, SSH, FTP, Samba, MPD, Shoutcast and some more little things... That CAN NOT take 2 gig. Can it? <dura> use X11 over ssh <dura> no need for a GUI on the server <Kim^J> dura: Does the standard install of 6.06 server really take 2gig? <dura> hmm no I don't think so. <dura> let me check one... <Kim^J> ok <Kim^J> I thinking of have a 1 gig / partion... <dura> I have one setup with LAMP and postfix and it's around 1.3gb <Kim^J> ok <Kim^J> hmm... strange... my debian with lamp, ssh, samba is about 300 MB. <Kim^J> 442MB <Kim^J> about 500 MB is minimum <shawarma> I know this is not a support channel, but could anyone with experience with having / on LVM on top of software raid please take a look a this: http://warma.dk/blog/index.php?/archives/61-Remote-Ubuntu-installation.html ? Just /msg me if you want to keep it out of this channel. #ubuntu-server 2006-11-12 <eilker> what is the difference between ubuntu and ubuntu-server ? is the difference only lamp server ? #ubuntu-server 2006-11-13 <eilker> what is the difference between kubuntu and kubuntu server ? is it only gui and lamp server ? if i install lamp server on kubuntu, does it become kubuntu server ? <eilker> could someone answer me pls, i ask this question here, since yesterday.... <tengil> what packages do i need to run x11 forwarding on a dapper server? do i need more than openssh-server and (let's say) gedit? <sharms> tengil: no <sharms> tengil: just type ssh -X user@server, #~ command <tengil> ok, but i get an empty $DISPLAY <tengil> and it works on my old gentoo (which i'm replacing) so it's no network problems <tengil> have also tried with -Y ... <sharms> just have "X11Forwarding yes" in your sshd config, stop : start sshd then go <tengil> sharms: yeah i've done that <eilker> people i can access to my ftp server from console, but i cant access it from browser any ideas? <tengil> i'm having other probs as well so i'll probably end up installing the desktop version as server... <techwhore> tengil: i believe you also need xauth <techwhore> tengil: try ssh -X xeyes <techwhore> it would be so nice if I could save my ssh passwords in gnome-keyring <tengil> techwhore: xauth did it, thanks both <techwhore> ;) <tengil> techwhore: i don't have xeyes <techwhore> its in a separate package now. nevermind. <tengil> i'm getting lots of output though; plugins, missing icons, python stuff <techwhore> yup. ubuntu server doesn't install lots of X libraries and some other stuff. <techwhore> do you know auto-apt ? <tengil> not really <techwhore> apt-cache show auto-apt <techwhore> it's very handy when you need to install stuff that you don't know which package it's in <tengil> ah great, i'll check it out <techwhore> apt-get install auto-apt; auto-apt update <techwhore> then you run, auto-apt search <something> <techwhore> :) <tengil> and it works <tengil> anyone know how to fix this: mdadm: /dev/md0 has been started with 1 drive (out of 2) <tengil> it's not seeing my hda after install <techwhore> tengil: try asking this in #ubuntu <tengil> techwhore: ok <tengil> thanks <techwhore> np #ubuntu-server 2006-11-14 <eilker> ftp://localhost is working but ftp://myip is not working , could anyone help me ?? /vsftpd here <shwag> On ubuntu useradd -k does not work. adduser works fine. On gentoo useradd -k does work, and adduser is just a symbolic link to useradd. <shwag> The server docs do not have a section about adding users. #ubuntu-server 2006-11-15 <lwizardl> i know this is a dev channel but what if both the ubuntu/kubuntu channels aren't helping with issues? <Discerer> what's the difference between ubuntu and ubuntu-server? <Burgwork> Discerer: -server is ubuntu without any of the graphical stuff, currently <Discerer> ok <Discerer> guess I'll install desktop then get apache, mysql and php ontop myself #ubuntu-server 2006-11-16 <vpol> hi all <FlyingSquirrel32> If I have a daemon that I start like this: sudo /usr/sbin/mydaemon & then how do I add an init script and be sure that it returns so the rest of the things in init also run? <FlyingSquirrel32> What I've done so far... sudo ln -s /root/syslog2mysql.sh /etc/init.d/syslog2mysql <FlyingSquirrel32> sudo update-rc.d syslog2mysql default 99 <FlyingSquirrel32> sudo chmod 700 /root/syslog2mysql.sh <FlyingSquirrel32> then I run it using sudo /etc/init.d/syslog2mysql It looks like it worked, but it doesn't return, which is a problem when rebooting because the whole system hangs. <FlyingSquirrel32> nevermind, i just put it in rc.local #ubuntu-server 2006-11-17 <gubluntu> i get: <gubluntu> [ 3.958346] PCI: Address space collision on region 6 [000001ff00080000:000001ff000bffff] of device 0000:00:05.0 <gubluntu> when trying to install ubuntu sparc on my sunfire v100 #ubuntu-server 2006-11-18 <erchache> only a question....on #ubuntu doesnt reply this question.... <erchache> ubuntu support ipmi from hp proliant servers? <erchache> or need to apply debian patches? <erchache> i have 2 dlxxx servers and plans to install ubuntu or debian....on debian has support but if has ubuntu too....i prefer ubuntu #ubuntu-server 2006-11-19 <gubluntu> does anyone know if ubuntu server will auto-output shell to serial during install? or do i need to setup it to do so <gubluntu> w/ a monitor #ubuntu-server 2006-11-20 <grogoreo> hi <grogoreo> I'm running shorewall but it seems that it's slowing the system down and when I try to ping it, nothing comes back for a long time though I can use services like HTTP and SSH <grogoreo> but when I turn it off I can ping it no problem <napg> Hi, could someone help me make a network server for internet sharing? <mralphabet> napg: you could look at http://jonpeck.blogspot.com/2006/11/how-to-configure-80-fileserver-in-45.html for some insight <napg> thanks, i'll go check it #ubuntu-server 2006-11-21 <fvlgnn> salve a tutti <fvlgnn> posso esporre un problema? <thom> well, i think the first problem is this is an english language channel, and the second is that support questions should really go to #ubuntu first <thom> or try #ubuntu-it (i assume) <fvlgnn> ok tnk <fvlgnn> bye #ubuntu-server 2006-11-22 <\sh> moins <\sh> does anyone know if there are debian packages for hp server utils like hpasm or hpacucli? <lullabud> anybody have experience with clvm and the redhat-cluster-suite on 6.06? <fabbione> lullabud: yes <CMM1411> Samba is "EVIL" .. I've got it "Share to Everyone" and still the XP boxes can "See" the server, but not inside. I've added them via "smbpasswd -a <user> and on the XP machines when attempting to map I click "Use different username" .. and weather I browse for the server, or type in \\+1-226-633-4109\var\www\websites .. or not it doesn't go .. <CMM1411> help? <CMM1411> #ubuntu <lullabud> fabbione: i can't get clvm to even install. i've even tried `apt-source -b clvm` and it keeps giving dpkg errors. <fabbione> lullabud: https://bugz.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/lvm2/+bug/56496 <fabbione> lullabud: i uploaded the fixed packages about 10 minutes ago <fabbione> it will take more or less a week to have them in updates <lullabud> wow, awesome. =) <fabbione> a solution is to configure the cluster and run cman to form the cluster <fabbione> and then apt-get install.. <fabbione> that will make clvm start <fabbione> (and install) <lullabud> fabbione: many thanks, i might give that a shot. <grogoreo> hi <grogoreo> should a firewall (more specifically Shorewall) affect the speed of the connection? If not, then I'm having troubles with Shorewall as I can't seem to ping the server though I can connect to its services like SSH and HTTP. <infinity> You're filtering ICMP, that's why you can't ping. <grogoreo> could filtering ICMP slow down the connection as well? As if I stop the daemon it quickens up <grogoreo> is Shorewall just a wrapper for IPTables? <ajmitch> yes, filtering ICMP could potentially cause many problems <grogoreo> I can't really see where filtering ICMP is in the configs. Could Shorewall also be hogging resources? <grogoreo> ah, I've found it. You put it in the rules file #ubuntu-server 2006-11-23 <menyesg> hi... i understand it's a development channel, therefore I won't ask my very important question :P <menyesg> but do you have any information where should I get help about mdadm on Ubuntu Server 6.10? <spike> menyesg: #ubuntu <spike> there are no difference between mdadm shipped with ubuntu-server or ubuntu <spike> or kubuntu and any other version for what it matters <menyesg> hm, okay thanks... btw, in #ubuntu I did not get answers, but I keep trying <menyesg> thanks anyway <menyesg> have a nice day <menyesg> bye #ubuntu-server 2006-11-24 <nanomike> How do I use postfix with SMTP-AUTH and TLS once I've installed it? Followed this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/serverguide/C/email-services.html <esquilax> are there any specific config type changes that go into auto-lamp or is it really as simple as apt-get apache2 php5-mysql libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server <infinity> The latter. <esquilax> ty <krampo_h> hello, I was looking for some kind of software with GUI, which could restart services (eg. Apache, ProFTPd, Samba ...etc.). Preferably not webmin and even not web based. Perfectly if it would be some kind of frontend to default /etc/init.d xxx restart commands... <krampo_h> ok, sorry, just read the topic <J_P> hi all <J_P> people, I have one Pentium IV D, what ubuntu I install: 6.10-server-i386 or 6.10-server-AMD64 ? #ubuntu-server 2006-11-26 * Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-server.log <shwag> its a bit confusing that /var/log/messages shows "new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd." It can tell that the device is full speed, but it is using uhci...which is the non high speed driver. <shwag> Maybe it would be easier to understand if it mentioned that the device is running at a lower rater because the bus doesnt support usb2. #ubuntu-server 2006-11-27 * Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-server.log <sebas__> Hi. Is there any firewall by default in edgy server? i can't access mysql from other machines <sebas__> i get this error: "ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on '+1-226-633-4109' (111)" <thom> no, there's no firewall <thom> is it listening on anything other than localhost (or even running) <sebas__> yes, i can access from the server <sebas__> i tried with telnet, from the server i got response but if try from another machine there's no answer <sebas__> maybe it's configured to listen only at localhost? <sebas__> is this the default behavior? <sebas__> ok, solved.. it was the configuration in /etc/mysql/my.cnf <sebas__> by default it's binded only to localhost <sebas__> thanks guys <sebas__> :) <Euler> hi all...anyone here succesfully to a net install of ubuntu on a sun t1000? <shwag> Anyone know the procedure for doing a OS replacement on a remote server? Usually I just rsync the whole filesystem over, with the exception of /sys /proc and /dev , then sometime have to generate a new /dev, fix grub, and configure the network interface. <lullabud> Euler: i have not, but i'd be very interested to listen in on that discussion since i'm going to be installing on a t2000 shortly. <lullabud> anybody have experience with EVDO cards in dapper? <Euler> i have a verizon evdo card in my dell laptop, and it works, put it's somewhat magical :) <lullabud> Euler: that's exactly what i'm trying out, but it didn't work. <lullabud> Euler: i got the EV620 and put it in a latitude d620, and it works fine in windows but doesn't auto-configure in linux. <lullabud> Euler: i saw some general evdo config pages, but was hoping there might be something specific to ubuntu that would do as you say, something somewhat magical. <Euler> i got my d420 through emperorlinux, and they did the hard parts <lullabud> Euler: ubuntu? <Euler> yeah <lullabud> hmm.... <lullabud> does it dial-on-demand or is it always on? <Euler> no, you have to dial with ppp <Euler> there are a couple config files in /etc/ppp/peers <Euler> works great tho :) <lullabud> yeah, this thing is going to be a life saver. <lullabud> lullabud: ....now if i can just find a good excuse to ditch the blackberry.... <lullabud> oops. wtf am i talking to myself for. <Euler> heh <Euler> anyone know if canonical really provides server install support? <lullabud> Euler: they do <lullabud> Euler: i've e-mailed several times with their tech support to troubleshoot problems on the dell 1950 and 2950. <Euler> cool...i tried to contact them to get a support contract...just wondering when i can expect to hear back....really want to get this T1000 up <lullabud> i'm sure they'd love to help you. :) <lullabud> what a cool company too... i was talking to their partners guy while they were out in my area for a conference and the company sounds really really cool. <lullabud> just a really awesome vibe about it. <Euler> cool <lullabud> yeah. it's always awesome to talk to people who are progressing in the same ways you are, in this case from RPM distros to .deb distros. #ubuntu-server 2006-11-28 * foo tips hat at lullabud <code|work> nictuku: ping <shwag> how should I initialize a new /dev ? <shwag> I booted off a cd to look at my root partition and saw that /dev has a bunch of static files in it. I am doing a remote install on another machine and need to recreate this. MAKEDEV ? udevstart ? <shale> can anyone tell me the diff between the .15-27-server and .15-27.686 kernels? <shale> i have a server with 2x xeon dual core and i'm not sure which kernel to run <shwag> not a clue <lullabud> shale: i'm running the 2.6.15-27-amd64-server kernel on a dual xeon with no problems. <lullabud> shale: though i can't say it wouldn't be better with a different kernel since i don't really know the differences. <shale> ah <lullabud> interesting... `apt-cache show linux-image-2.6.15-23-amd64-xeon` <infinity> shale: You can compare the configs, but there are a few changes. -server has a lower clock tick, uses a different I/O scheduler, and a few other tweaks that make it less suitable for a desktop, but more generally suitable for a multiuser workload. #ubuntu-server 2006-11-29 <code|work> nictuku: ping <nictuku> code|work, hi <code|work> nictuku: hi. may i ask you some questions about NWU? <nictuku> sure <nictuku> I'm going to bed soon, so if needed we can continue the conversation by e-mail <code|work> nictuku: ok. that'd work best. <nictuku> code|work, are you interested in using, contributing, or both? <birdfish> How would I go about getting a personal script to run at boot time? (but only after the network interfaces have been brought up) <birdfish> I have an idea that i need to add the script to the default runlevel, but I can't find any manual entries regarding the correct way to rc-update under Ubuntu <infinity> birdfish: If you want it done when the interfaces come up, you can make it an "up" action in /etc/network/interfaces (man 5 interfaces) <infinity> birdfish: If you just want it "sometime in runlevel 2", put an init script in /etc/init.d, and use update-rc.d to add the symlinks you want for start/stop in the right runlevels. <birdfish> infinity: ah, the up action sounds like a great alternative (since it's going to be a script to populate my firewall) Thanks =) <birdfish> BRB <birdfish> Ah, worked a charm =) * birdfish disappears to move the machines about a bit <levander> When you are dist-upgrading, and a configuration file has changed in a package, does update-manager still let you choose whether to keep your old configuration files that you've modified or upgrade to the new configuration just like apt-get does? Or, has update-manager "simplified" the process so much, you aren't given this option? <infinity> levander: It has a GUi interface that does exactly the same thing (lets you see the diff, lets you pick the action to take, etc), then feeds that back to dpkg's conffile handling. <levander> infinity: thanks man, i asked that question in 4 ubuntu channels, you were only one who knew answer for some reason <levander> I gotta shut down IRC client to upgrade... <foo> I need some way to set up a linux vpn server.. something nice, easy, and secure. Any recommendations? openvpn? Hm <silya> Hi all! I have installed ubuntu-server and want to install mc, but "no package" message appears. so I need to add extra repository to apt? <Burgwork> yes, universe <silya> when I run command `sudo apt-get install dhcpd` message appears E: "Can't find package dhcpd" <silya> but such pkgs as postfix installs well from cd <Burgwork> try removing the cd from your apt sources <silya> Burgwork, when I run dovecot installation its begin installation via internet <silya> And I am very confused. I read and heard better things bout ubuntu server edition <Burgwork> it is the same base as Ubuntu <Burgwork> merely without X <silya> what integrated tools present for fast configuration? <silya> why there is no mc?????????????? <Burgwork> server is bare minimum to get you up <Burgwork> and mc is there, just in universe <silya> mc depends from X in ubuntu? <Burgwork> no <silya> cool <Burgwork> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/CommandLine <silya> :) I love command line, but sometimes mc very useful... <silya> thx for link <silya> webmin works with ubuntu? <Burgwork> yes, although it is not in the repos <silya> so I need download it manually? <Burgwork> yep <silya> server manual says that all ports closed by default but... http ftp ssh opened :( <Burgwork> if you installed those, yes <silya> So as I understand pkgs from universe don't supports by security team? <silya> anyone heard anything about sams (squid account management syste,)? <FlyingSquirrel32> Where do I go to formally request a server install configuration (like the LAMP setup) <silya> DNS and LAMP server options presents <Euler> hi...anyone here use ubuntu on a Sun T1000? <silya> Ohh... DHCP server called in guide dhcpd in fact calls dhcp #ubuntu-server 2006-11-30 <lullabud> FlyingSquirrel32: what do you mean? you want a cd with an option to install a
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