#ubuntu-testing 2009-04-01 <ara> morning! <davmor2> Morning All <ara> morning davmor2 <davmor2> ara: how did it go Monday in the end. We were on holiday and the sites wifi was down so I couldn't join in :( <ara> davmor2: you don't test on your holidays!! <davmor2> ara: Not without wifi I don't no :( I was however using my netbook which has UNR Jaunty on it found a couple of issue that I'm going to write up now I have wifi :) * ara reboots * ara -> lunch <jtholmes> hino ping <davmor2> jtholmes: who hino <davmor2> jtholmes: if your after heno he doesn't seem to be on irc and therefore wont see your ping anyway :) <jtholmes> sorry mistype heno is who i wanted thanks <jtholmes> davmor2, who is in charge of testing when heno is away <davmor2> jtholmes: just ask <jtholmes> who is in charge of testing in heno's absence <davmor2> jtholmes: sorry I meant ask what you were going to ask heno someone should be able to point you in the right direction <jtholmes> ok <jtholmes> The Use weak password dialog in the installer has the sense reversed, cjwatson made a text change last night but the sense of the choice is wrong and there really isn't a quesiton associated with the dialog <jtholmes> reversed=reversed <jtholmes> watson did not change the sense only the button text <davmor2> jtholmes: the yes no on use weak password <jtholmes> correct the yes no <davmor2> it is a question. It asks if you want to use the weak password and then tells you what length the strong password should be. <jtholmes> no leaves you in the dialog to change your password yes takes you to Ready to install <davmor2> that's correct <davmor2> jtholmes: the question if you look at it asks "use weak password?" so yes will continue the install and no will take you back to the password section so you can change the password. I don't see anything wrong with that behaviour <davmor2> cjwatson: ^ <jtholmes> well then the last part of the user information should say 'Do you want to choose a stronger password?' Not ' You should choose a stronger password' <jtholmes> it really dosen't ask 'use weak password' <jtholmes> it makes a statement 'You should choose a stronger password' <davmor2> jtholmes: you might want to take it up with the installer team <jtholmes> who would that be please <davmor2> #ubuntu-installer <jtholmes> davmor2, ok thanks <cjwatson> jtholmes: don't call me "Watson", by the way, it's rude to just use a surname <davmor2> schwuk: ping <davmor2> schwuk: on system testing is there a way to return focus to the 'type text' window and away from the running test window. Currently if you type text nothing happen until you put focus back on the type text window. <davmor2> cr3: Morning <davmor2> cgregan: Morning <cgregan> davmor2: Morning <cr3> davmor2: ahoy, matey! <davmor2> cr3: I asked schwuk this but I'll ask you too on system testing is there a way to return focus to the 'type text' window and away from the running test window. Currently if you type text nothing happen until you put focus back on the type text window. <davmor2> cr3: Is it talk like a pirate day again already :) <cr3> davmor2: I like that kind of concern, might you know off hand how to do that in gtk? <cr3> davmor2: I wish every day was talk like a pirate day :) <davmor2> cr3: I have no idea what-so-ever I don't know if it's possible that's why I was asking here first before posting a bug :) <davmor2> cr3: could you not make the type text window open after the test running window? <schwuk> davmor2: could be interesting to address... <davmor2> schwuk: or just change the title to "click and type text" :) <cr3> davmor2: but that would be testing both the mouse and the keyboard :) <schwuk> davmor2: bug? :) <davmor2> schwuk: I was finding out if it was possible to do before writing one. Not being a programer :) <schwuk> davmor2: of course filing a bug doesn't infer that we'll fix it... <davmor2> :D <schwuk> davmor2: in theory it's possible, so if you can file a bug, I'll try and address it <davmor2> writting as soon as the page comes up :) <davmor2> schwuk: bug 353190 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 353190 in checkbox "Jaunty: in checkbox-gtk on keyboard text simply typing displays nothing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/353190 <davmor2> Hello heno <heno> hey davmor2 <davmor2> alternate has gained a new progress meter which is nice. The bar still sticks at 6% but you see the text read accessing 1 of 191 etc yay :) * ara takes a break before the meetings <jtholmes> heno is the qa meeting on "#ubuntu-meetings" in about 10 mins? <heno> jtholmes: It's 17 00 UTC, which is in 70 minutes <davmor2> jtholmes: that be about an hour an 10 minutes <jtholmes> ok wasnt sure of the time diff thanks <heno> np <jtholmes> davmor2, thanks didnt see your msg <jtholmes> afk <davmor2> bdmurray: congrats <bdmurray> davmor2: thanks! <jtholmes> davmor2 is the #ubuntu-meetings on freenode or elsewhere <davmor2> #ubuntu-meeting <ara> Ubuntu QA Meeting in ~1 minute at #ubuntu-meeting <jtholmes> davmor2, thanks had s on meeting <jtholmes> davmor2 what does UDS stand for Ubuntu ?? <ara> jtholmes: ubuntu developer summit <jtholmes> thanks <heno> eeejay: will you join the dt call? <eeejay> heno, yup <heno> eeejay: (we are dialed in) <ara> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation/Desktop/Coverage <eeejay> http://package-import.ubuntu.com <eeejay> ara: maybe we could somehow grab all the test XML files, append them to a giant file, and do some xslt magic that will give a current picture of coverage? <eeejay> maybe i am complicating stuff <ara> eeejay: :D <jcollado> eeejay: Plase take a look at the parse_suite.py located in the scripts subdirectory in the urn branch. I parses a module file and generates the XML file based on the information in the XML file. <jcollado> eeejay: I added also an option to generate wiki output with the same information <eeejay> jcollado: cool! <jcollado> eeejay: I believe it could be extended to get something similar to XSLT <eeejay> jcollado: i am thinking, it could be in the main executable with a "--coverage" flag. <jcollado> eeejay: I meant "based on the information in the python module" <eeejay> jcollado: that way it could grab all the suites <jcollado> eeejay: Yes, that could be done also <eeejay> jcollado: my thought was to parst the suite XML file, where all the human readable name/descriptions reside <eeejay> jcollado: docstrings won't be good for that purpose because one method could be used for many test cases, same with class <jcollado> eeejay: You're right. What I thought that could be done in such a case <jcollado> eeejay: is just create a helper method in call it twice from different testing methods <eeejay> jcollado: hah <jcollado> eeejay: being a testing method one that matched the testing method pattern (i.e. r'^test' regexp) <eeejay> jcollado: that is originally how i was designing it too <jcollado> eeejay: I feel is nice to write the information only in one place instead of splitting it in different files. Don't you think so? <eeejay> jcollado: yeah, that is why we are not using the docstrings :) <eeejay> jcollado: the XML file is "canonical" <jcollado> eeejay: He, he. It's a matter of taste. I don't like much XML files. I prefer everything in the code to keep the documentation and other information in sync with the code. <eeejay> jcollado: i generally agree with you <mvo> sbeattie: I commited a fix for update-manager-text crash, please let me know if it reappears (but it should be fixed) <sbeattie> mvo: cool, thanks! BTW, I'm not sure how it easy it to steer newt from python, but it might be nice to have it size things sensibly depending on the terminal settings. <mvo> sbeattie: good point <mvo> sbeattie: probably not jaunty though :/ <sbeattie> yeah, not surprised. but wishlist it for me, okay? :-) <mvo> sbeattie: promised :) <mvo> sbeattie: poke me on UDS if nothing is done until then <sbeattie> heh, sure thing; I'm likely to keep using it. <mvo> nice * mvo waves good night #ubuntu-testing 2009-04-02 <ara> good morning :-) <ara> morning mvo, davmor2 <davmor2> Good Morning ara <mvo> hey ara, davmor2 <davmor2> hello mvo <davmor2> mvo: I'm going to run some upgrade tests this afternoon I'll let you know if there are any breakages :) <mvo> davmor2: execllent, thanks. the big outstanding issue is bug #353251 - but it will not prevent upgrades <ubot4> Launchpad bug 353251 in python-central "does not provide 2.6 symlinks for python-fstab (and others?) when python2.6 gets installed" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/353251 <davmor2> mvo: cool I'll keep my eye out for it :) <thekorn> ara, hi, I would like to learn how LDTP and especially ubuntu-desktop-testing works, is there any documantation you recommend to read for a start <ara> thekorn: great! <ara> thekorn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation/Desktop/ and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation/Desktop/GettingStarted is a good place to start :) <thekorn> ara, thanks, and sorry for my bad google foos, i should have found this without asking ;) <ara> thekorn: no problem :-) ask any time <thekorn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation/Desktop/GettingStarted >> Go the newly created folder and run ./bin/ubuntu-desktop-test. That will run ALL the available tests. <thekorn> hmm, this fails with an ImportError <thekorn> is there any chance to run it from the local branch, ordo I have to install it system-wide <thekorn> ara, and maybe a second question: should I be able to run u-desktop-testing on intrepid, or is the development focus on jaunty? <ara> thekorn: the development focus is jaunty. there is an intrepid branch at https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-qa/ubuntu-desktop-testing/intrepid but it is not up to date <thekorn> ok, so let's start jaunty and see if I've more luck running it there ;) <thekorn> ara, I've create lp:~thekorn/ubuntu-desktop-testing/use_buildout to fix 353672, maybe it is usefull <ara> thekorn: cool, thanks. I'll review it later today <thekorn> super, thanks * ara reboots <jtholmes> davmor2, ping <davmor2> jtholmes: hello <jtholmes> hello i have a question or two about the test cases is this a good time <davmor2> yes go on <jtholmes> if i go here http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Applications/Robots <jtholmes> the right side of the window had several kubuntu tests but there doesnt appear to be a link from the home test page what am i missing <jtholmes> had=has <davmor2> jtholmes: there is probably no link on the main page <jtholmes> ok so how do i solve that <davmor2> jtholmes: my goal was to cover ubuntu and hardware this time round <jtholmes> ah ok should i concentrate there then <davmor2> jtholmes: goto the applications page and add the link in the same way as the ubuntu ones <jtholmes> ok good will do <jtholmes> looked over some of what has been done and it looks great just what i was looking for but could not fine <jtholmes> fine=find <davmor2> jtholmes: Yes well after this round I will be working on kubuntu and then xubuntu and then etc, etc, etc <thekorn> ara, thanks for your fast answer on bug 353692, but I don't understand why this one is invalid, ihodge@example.net it looks like adding `ldtp.setlocale("C")` to Application.open_and_check_app would automatically start any application with LANG=C <ubot4> Launchpad bug 353692 in ubuntu-desktop-testing "running gedit testsuite fails" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/353692 * ara checks <jtholmes> davmor2, how do i get this page http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Applications/Kate moved to here http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Applications/Kate <jtholmes> actually there are several like that <davmor2> most of those are older ones that we aren't using now the new ones need to be text only. so they will need to be modified so they are text only. <jtholmes> ok so no graphics/pictures so i can copy/edit and put in the new area? <davmor2> jtholmes: yeah that is pretty much what the aim was <jtholmes> ok better understanding on my part thanks <davmor2> jtholmes: no probs * ara -> lunch <thekorn> ara, another question about testcases, is this correct: a testcases is marked as FAILED if an AssertionError is raised, any other Error indicates a problem with the test-code itself. If anything is returned by a test-case this means success <ara> correct <thekorn> ok, thanks, all I need now is a way to SKIP a testcase <sbeattie> mvo: is bug 353534 something update-manager should address? <ubot4> Launchpad bug 353534 in linux "dapper->hardy->intrepid upgrade path leaves user with unsupported kernel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/353534 <davmor2> ara: have you updated today? <ara> i have <ara> davmor2: ^ <davmor2> ara: have a quick look at system testing what icon do you have? <ara> davmor2: the new one <davmor2> ara: weird mine is now missing the icon <ara> davmor2: :-\ <davmor2> ara: I get the box with the blue titlebar <mvo> sbeattie: yes <mvo> sbeattie: hm, that would need a sru for hardy - this seems to be the releavent point where this change should be performed <sbeattie> mvo: I agree. It does make me wonder how many people are out there running a -i386 kernel. <mvo> sbeattie: maybe it is something the kernel should have dealt with afterall <mvo> it could have ceated a transitional package for -i386 <mvo> and called the -i386 something different (-legacy) <mvo> so that all default kernels get auto-upgraded <sbeattie> mvo: yeah; it's a nasty problem. <davmor2> mvo: ping <mvo> davmor2: pong <davmor2> mvo: I'm getting that hanging issue again on upgrade <mvo> davmor2: the download hang? <davmor2> mvo: yes <mvo> and one http download is sitting around waiting? <davmor2> mvo: hung on fetching file 1007 of 1007 <mvo> davmor2: thanks, hm. can you keep it a minute in this state and strace apt-get and http ? <davmor2> mvo: I can try yes. <davmor2> mvo: according to ps aux apt-get is not running <davmor2> mvo: http lists /usr/lib/apt/methods/http <mvo> davmor2: oh, right. it will be dist-upgrade.py <davmor2> mvo: not listed in ps aux :( <mvo> davmor2: what is the parent when using ps afx ? <jtholmes> can someone tell me what wiki code ubuntu uses, mediwiki ... ?? <davmor2> moin moin <davmor2> iirc <jtholmes> thanks <davmor2> mvo: still nothing I think I know where the issue might be dist-upgrade doesn't exist muhahahaha it's evil. I'm about to run a fresh test on 64 bit so I'll see if it shows up there <mvo> davmor2: hmmmm <davmor2> mvo: I've found gksu --desktop /usr/share/applications/update-manager.desktop /tmp/tmp54AnPU/jaunty <davmor2> mvo: weirder and weirder. I just ran in terminal rather than via alt-f2 and it's gone straight through so I'm trying again on failed install <davmor2> it being update-manager -d <davmor2> mvo: the weirdness goes on. This is working now that I've typed update-manager -d in terminal :-\ <sbeattie> davmor2: pstree -p might be more useful for seeing what's still running/hung <davmor2> sbeattie: thanks I'll try and remember that in future :) <mvo> davmor2: hrm :( <mvo> davmor2: I *think* its some sort of race condition, I have seen this once in a kvm machine of mime <mvo> but was never able to reproduce it <davmor2> mvo: I can try again tomorrow and I'll drop try using pstree -p instead <davmor2> -drop <mvo> davmor2: thanks. do you use a proxy or do you have a particular fast or slow link? <mvo> davmor2: I'm trying to figure out if there is a way to reporduce the failure <davmor2> 24meg link <mvo> I guess that can be considered "fast" *g* <davmor2> mvo: push comes to shove I can drop intrepid on tomorrow and give you ssh access to the machine <davmor2> mvo: I'll try it tomorrow morning ping you with the pass or fail. If it's a fail I'll drop intrepid back on and update it add openssh-server and you can run what you want on it. Pitti did the same thing to fix a jockey breakage :) <mvo> davmor2: thanks <mvo> davmor2: how often did it happen for you so far (the hang?) <davmor2> 4 times out of 7 so more than half <davmor2> I think heno did most of the upgrade testing for beta #ubuntu-testing 2009-04-03 <ara> good morning :-) <mvo> sbeattie: thanks for finding the python bug <ara> mvo: which bug? (I am just curious) <mvo> https://launchpad.net/bugs/354228 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 354228 in python-central "package python2.6-minimal 2.6.1-1ubuntu8 failed to install/upgrade: " [High,Triaged] <mvo> I disabled upgrades for now <mvo> it hits *everyone* <mvo> (well, every upgrade from intrepid->jaunty) <ara> mvo: ouch! <ara> morning jcollado, davmor2 <jcollado> ara: Buenos dÃ­as <davmor2> Morning all * mvo grumbles about python * davmor2 passes mvo his snake hitting hammer <ara> thekorn: thanks for testing ubuntu-desktop-testing and all of the useful bug reports ;-) <thekorn> ara, no problem, I've some more ideas, so expect more bug reports over the weekend ;) <ara> thekorn: cool! <ara> thekorn: I will be on holidays next week, so expect little response from me until the following weekend ;-) <thekorn> ara, cool, have fun <davmor2> ara: Have a nice time :) <ara> thekorn, davmor2: thanks! <thekorn> ara, so maybe it is time for me to ask just another question: are there plans to make ubuntu-desktop-testing and apport work together smoothly, e.g. what should happen if a testcase causes an application to crash <davmor2> sbeattie: When you get this any idea why the download script includes things like >>>>>>>>>merge <<<<<<<<<tree every time I update the master I get these and the script fails. It works if I delete them which is what I've been doing but I'm not sure if I'm meant to so I thought I'd bring it up while I remembered :) <ara> thekorn: we want ubuntu-desktop-testing to be integrated (sooner or later) to checkbox. And checkbox has plans to have apport hooks to report failures. <thekorn> ara, so the ubuntu-desktop-test script is not meant to be a standalone script in the long term <thekorn> ? <ara> thekorn: yes, we want to keep it standalone while we integrate with checkbox if wanted <thekorn> that's interesting <mvo> sbeattie: btw, for your upgrade tests, do you run them in real HW? in a vm? are you interessted in setting up a kvm based auto-upgrade tester? <mvo> sbeattie: and does the newt fix work for you (i.e. does update-manager-text not crash anymore?) <davmor2> mvo: update-manager -d isn't working on intrepid :( <ara> davmor2: that's expected <ara> davmor2: upgrades have been disabled due to a python bug <davmor2> Meh <ara> davmor2: mvo just announced it in the -devel list <ara> davmor2: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-April/028039.html <davmor2> ara: thanks :( <ara> davmor2: np <davmor2> humph that's bugger that test up <mvo> davmor2: yes, sorry for that <davmor2> mvo: Never mind hay <davmor2> hey even * ara reboots <jtholmes> davmor2, ping <davmor2> jtholmes: Hello <jtholmes> good morning could you look at http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Applications/Kate and see if it adheres to the rules for test cases <jtholmes> i put it up last night <davmor2> jtholmes: expected results was dropped and you need to add #endcases to the end of the case other wise it borks out the desktop test when it's added. Other than that looks good ara^ <davmor2> ara: anything to add^ * ara reads <jtholmes> ah ok forgot that <ara> jtholmes: also, we are trying to keep the name of the page like the application menu name (i.e. we have Applications/TextEditor for gedit) <jtholmes> ok so noted <jtholmes> will do <ara> jtholmes: other than that (and davmor2's comments) it looks great. Thanks for contributing! <davmor2> jtholmes: you might want to add context highlighting to it also kmenu isn't called kmenu any more <jtholmes> davmor2 please elab on context highlighting and what is kmenu referred to Launcher? <jtholmes> elab=elaborate <davmor2> jtholmes: right it you type in some basic html and then save it as test.html. reopen it the text should now be highlighted in different colours <jtholmes> ok i will try it <davmor2> right need to go BBL <jtholmes> duh!! now I get it highlighting as in (the test case === Syntax Highlighting=== ) double duh <jtholmes> ara what is the new name for kmenu? <davmor2> jtholmes: kickoff <jtholmes> davmor2, thanks <sbeattie> davmor2: hrm, that's a merge conflict. Not sure why that's happening. <davmor2> sbeattie: I only noticed it because it threw up a line 29 error trying to run it :) <davmor2> line 29 expression error even <sbeattie> mvo: yes, live hardware and yes, I'm very interested in setting up an auto-upgrade tester. * sbeattie is trying to wake up, feed his kids, resume conversations from last night, and prep for the release meeting in, uh, two minutes. <davmor2> sbeattie: Meh show off ;) <sbeattie> davmor2: it'd be showing off if I wasn't failing at all of it. :-/ <davmor2> :) <sbeattie> davmor2: hrm, line 29 is (currently) the BASEURL, aka the rsync:// definition. If you hit it again while bzr updating, make a copy of the result and ping me. <davmor2> sbeattie: on the version I got it was >>>>>>>merge <davmor2> Once I removed merge it was <sbeattie> right, there should >>>>>> and ======= and <<<<<<<< which separate your version from the bzr version. <davmor2> sbeattie: I am using bzr correctly aren't I. Currently I go into the master folder on my drive and type bzr pull is that correct? <Aleksey_S> hello all <Aleksey_S> have someone problems with portaudio as i? <mvo> if someone could do a sru verification of bug #349725 - that would be most appreciated <ubot4> Launchpad bug 349725 in doc-base "8.04->9.04-beta updgrade: Could not install 'base-passwd'" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/349725 <mvo> (should be *very* simple, just ensuring there are no regressions) <Aleksey_S> sru verification? <mvo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates <Ironic_V> Hey <Ironic_V> How can i join the tesing day ? <Ironic_V> testing* <sbeattie> mvo: I'll try to get to it later today. <mvo> thanks sbeattie <nagappan> cr3, ping <nagappan> cr3, while Ubuntu is booting, how can I see the booting console ? instead of splash screen ? <nagappan> pressing 'Esc' key doesn't help <cr3> nagappan: edit the grub line, either at boot or in menu.lst, to remove the "splash" parameter <cr3> nagappan: you might also like to remove "quiet" depending on the level of detail you're looking for <nagappan> cr3, after booting, I'm taken to initramfs prompt <nagappan> cr3, so I could not debug whats the issue <nagappan> cr3, also I forgot to tell you one thing, this was an image taken on slightly different hardware configuration, planing to deploy on new machine <nagappan> cr3, using Altiris <cr3> nagappan: could the problem simply be a different uuid, as passed to grub? <nagappan> cr3, how to fix that ? <nagappan> cr3, I don't get a grub prompt at all <cr3> nagappan: are you on a mac or something? if you're on pc, you must have grub unless you manually decided to go with lilo <cr3> (by the way, I have no idea with this "altiris" is) <cr3> according to wikipedia: Altiris Inc. is a subsidiary of Symantec <cr3> doesn't sound promising... <nagappan> cr3, :D <cr3> have you tried #symantec :) <nagappan> cr3, its grub loader, but I remember Ubuntu doesn't show the grub prompt at booting ? correct me, if I'm wrong <nagappan> cr3, ah ! no, does it exist ? <cr3> nagappan: I'm kidding man, as if companies like Symatec or VMware would have any presence on irc... oh wait, VMware does: you! <cr3> seriously though, you should be able to troubleshoot some from initramfs <cr3> nagappan: so you're at the busybox prompt, right? <nagappan> cr3, right <cr3> nagappan: is the drive(s) mounted? <nagappan> cr3, got the grub prompt <nagappan> cr3, how do I debug from here ? <nagappan> cr3, its Ubuntu 8.04.1, kernel 2.6.24-21-generic <cr3> nagappan: dude, you're being confusing. first you said you had no grub. now you say you have grub. second I ask if ihodge@example.net. now you say you're at the grub prompt. <cr3> how about we agree to take this one step at the time? <nagappan> cr3, sorry, I rebooted the machine and got the grub prompt <cr3> nagappan: ok, lets start troubleshooting from grub then. type 'e', I think, to edit the first grub line which used to work <nagappan> cr3, sure <nagappan> cr3, I'm in line kernel .... <cr3> nagappan: then, you should see a line like: root=UUID=[some alphanum] <cr3> nagappan: I'm quite sure the UUID is the problem, so we'll proceed based on that assumption if you don't mind <nagappan> cr3, sure <cr3> nagappan: so, take down that UUID number so that we can confirm from busybox that it's right or wrong <nagappan> cr3, yes I could notice the alphanumeric one <nagappan> cr3, sure <cr3> nagappan: you could basically just take down a few of the first or last characters, just to confirm it's the same or not <cr3> nagappan: you won't need to type that uuid <nagappan> cr3, noted down the complete one <nagappan> cr3, just incase :) <cr3> nagappan: then, either boot from a live cd or into busybox again (I think that will have enough tools to fix the problem) <nagappan> cr3, sure <cr3> nagappan: let me know when you're at a prompt <nagappan> cr3, sure <nagappan> cr3, its taking more time to boot, now booted with out quiet and splash option <nagappan> waiting after attaching scsi generic drive <cr3> nagappan: first thing you'll want to do is either check that your drive is already mounted (df) otherwise try to mount it somewhere (mkdir /mnt; mount -t ext2 /dev/sda1 /mnt) <nagappan> virtual disc 2 <nagappan> cr3, sure <nagappan> cr3, the error message before shell was <nagappan> cr3, /dev/disk/by-uuid/... does not exist <cr3> nagappan: that sucks, because that's precisely what I was going to ask you to ls -l :) <cr3> nagappan: I presume that your drive wasn't automatically mounted then? <nagappan> cr3, automatically mounted ? <nagappan> cr3, I don't get that <nagappan> cr3, oh ya <nagappan> cr3, now, mounted manually <cr3> nagappan: excellent, was /dev/disk/by-uuid created and, if so, could you should me the output of ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid <cr3> s/should/show/ <nagappan> cr3, it shows 2 diff uuid, one is for sda1 and second for sda5 <nagappan> cr3, sda5 I swap I guess <nagappan> cr3, yes I'm right, its swap <cr3> nagappan: does the uuid for sda1 correspond to the value you saved earlier? <nagappan> cr3, no <cr3> nagappan: you found your problem then! so, you can either take down the new uuid and replace it in grub everytime you boot <cr3> nagappan: or, since your drive is already mounted, you can edit boot/grub/menu.lst and replace every instance of the old value with the new value <nagappan> cr3, ok <cr3> nagappan: reboot and you should be fine <nagappan> cr3, cool, also I need to modify /etc/fstab ? <cr3> nagappan: by the way, there might be an easier way to do this, I've given you the low level tour <cr3> nagappan: oh right, might as well edit that too :) <nagappan> cr3, ok <cr3> nagappan: if you're lazy and if busybox comes with gnu sed, you could do: sed -i 's/[old uuid]/[new uuid]/' /mnt/etc/fstab /mnt/boot/grub/menu.lst <nagappan> cr3, would like to hear the easier way <cr3> nagappan: where the variables in brackets should be replaced accordingly, of course :) <nagappan> cr3, sure <nagappan> cr3, I don't have an option to edit the file directly <nagappan> cr3, no edit / vi <cr3> nagappan: how come? nano should be available <nagappan> cr3, nano is also not there <cr3> nagappan: yeah, I've been disappointed on numerous occasions that vi wasn't available <cr3> ed perhaps? :) <cr3> nagappan: aha! you know, you could chroot /mnt :) <cr3> nagappan: then, assuming your PATH environment variable is sane, you could use vi or whatever from the mounted filesystem :) <nagappan> cr3, no ed <nagappan> cr3, cool, let me try <cr3> no ed! seriously though, I wouldn't subject ed even to the most seasoned solaris sysadmin <nagappan> cr3, I get some error message, when I do chroot 'sh: no job control in this shell' <nagappan> cr3, wow ! I can use the editor though <nagappan> cr3, let me try editing the file <cr3> nagappan: that error message rings a bell, did you use the su command? <cr3> not a big deal though, if you can edit your files, I guess that's the important part <nagappan> cr3, I haven't used su <nagappan> cr3, anyways, I have edited the file <nagappan> cr3, the swap file UUID haven't changed <nagappan> cr3, am I missing something here ? or its ok ? <cr3> nagappan: excellent, now try rebooting and cross your fingers (that's the important part) <nagappan> cr3, sure * nagappan rebooting <cr3> nagappan: might as well try, we could always revise if we find we missed something <nagappan> cr3, sure <Adri2000> hi <nagappan> cr3, wow ! it booted :D <nagappan> cr3, unbelievable :D <cr3> nagappan: rock and roll! <nagappan> cr3, thanks a lot !!! <Adri2000> hmm I wanted #ubuntu+1 actually :p <cr3> nagappan: no problem man. hopefully, you won't have to do this too often :) <nagappan> cr3, I will create a new image of it :) <nagappan> cr3, using Altiris <cr3> and I think I'm going to reimage a cigarette... <nagappan> cr3, :D <nagappan> cr3, oops on reboot It again struck there ! <nagappan> cr3, let me figure it out, what the issue is <nagappan> cr3, is there an alternate method without uuid !?! <cr3> nagappan: if you're just going to have a single drive in there, you could safely replace the whole uuid thing with the actual device: root=/dev/sda[number] <cr3> nagappan: did you run an update or something? <nagappan> cr3, no, currently running the update <nagappan> cr3, we will always have single drive for the automated testing <cr3> nagappan: I suspect the reason why rebooting broke everything is that you might not have substituted all instances of your old uuid in the menu.lst file. for example, I bet you didn't change: # kopt=root=UUID=... <nagappan> cr3, true, the uuid, have changed now than the last boot <nagappan> cr3, that surprised me :) <nagappan> cr3, after the update, let me try rebooting, once again <sbeattie> nagappan: is this scsi or some other hardware that might likely have a long timeout before the disks get detected? You might see if adding "rootdelay=90" to your kernel boot line works (I've got a machine here that does that). <nagappan> sbeattie, its ide drive <sbeattie> nagappan: hrm. Might still be worth trying rootdelay=90 to see if it's a slow-to-detect disks situation. <nagappan> sbeattie, based on cr3 suggestion, I have modified to /dev/sda1 instead of using uuid, now things are working fine :) #ubuntu-testing 2009-04-04 <acce245> Hello! <acce245> Can someone possibly help me with volume control and default settings? #ubuntu-testing 2009-04-05 <dtchen> cr3: i really need output from http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh for 354705 and 354707 <cr3> dtchen: sure, but it'll have to wait until Monday when I have access to the machines again <cr3> dtchen: have there been discussions in including alsa-info.sh in apport? <dtchen> cr3: no, it will be in karmic's alsa-driver (which is where upstream ships it) <dtchen> cr3: at that point, apport can hook into it <cr3> dtchen: cool, at least there's a path for the future :) <dtchen> we could always add it to jaunty's alsa-driver <dtchen> the current bash script doesn't exactly give me fuzzies <dtchen> luke and i plan to strip the bashisms and refactor quite a bit of it <cr3> dtchen: if the script is under /usr/share, I'd say it couldn't hurt <dtchen> cr3: i'll discuss with luke and pete <cr3> dtchen: excellent, I'll follow up soonish. now, time for a break... <hoelk> hi! i have 2 serious problems with jaunty, that im not really able to google solutions to <hoelk> when using the new kernel version, jaunty hangs at bootup at "loading hardware drivers" (i have to do a hard reset) <hoelk> and when i try to use my webcam, x crashes <hoelk> :( <hoelk> i have a fujitsu-simens laptop with celeron m processor and some cheap logitech quickcam thing <bencrisford> How can I officially sign up for the testing team? <bencrisford> anyone? <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing is a starting point. <charlie-tca> You can join the testing team in launchpad, also <bencrisford> ok thanks ;) <charlie-tca> You are welcome #ubuntu-testing 2009-04-06 <arthax0r> my jaunty server has been doing well <arthax0r> turning it into a full blow horde/funambol server <arthax0r> altho, i would say it seems to not be performing as well as it did under 8.04 server... it's an old ass machine tho <_stochastic_> hey room, out of curiosity, when will the next set of ISO's be put up on the UbuntuISO testing webpage? <_stochastic_> is there any schedule to it or is it pretty intermittent? <davmor2> heno: Hi <heno> Hi davmor2 <davmor2> No ara today? * mvo hugs sbeattie for the verification of #349725 <jtholmes> where are the daily-live's from say 4/2/09 <jtholmes> the ios's from 4/2/09 <jpds> I think they're only preserved for two days and then deleted. <davmor2> jtholmes: do you mean 20090402 <jtholmes> davmor2, yes <jtholmes> thanks jpds <jtholmes> davmor2, here is the problem 4/3/09 and 4/5/09 ubiquity installer's die at partman and i wanted to test 4/2/09 again to see if that problem exits <jtholmes> 4/5/09=4/6/09 <jtholmes> I cant believe I am the only one having this problem <jtholmes> this is on kubuntu ubuntu is fine <Strider^> yop <Strider^> euh je sais pas si j'ai fait un truc de travers mais j'arrive plus a avoir mon Google Calendar dans Evolution sous Jaunty <Strider^> oh right this is not the french channel ^^ <jtholmes> strider sorry english only <Strider^> i can't set up my Google Calendar in Evolution anymore =/ <Strider^> i don't remember what where the options in Evolution's versions berfore Jaunty but i think there's something missing <jtholmes> davmor2, is there any file/information in a daily-live .iso that tells me the exact date the .iso file was created? <fader_> davmor2: Hey, do I remember correctly that you have an Acer Aspire One somewhere with the original OS installed? <davmor2> fader_: I had an AAO with hardy unr on I now have an AAO with jaunty unr on why? <davmor2> Oh I have linpus lite too <fader_> davmor2: I'm trying to find out the lid switch behavior on it for bug 348012 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 348012 in linux "Acer Aspire One doesn't wake up when lid opens" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/348012 <fader_> To see if it's really a bug or a 'feature' :) <fader_> davmor2: Do you have linpus installed on one currently? <davmor2> fader_: I can drop linpus back on and confirm but iirc in all the shops displaying them including the xp version if you shut the lid the power button need to be pressed to restart it. <davmor2> fader_: about 20 minutes I can <fader_> davmor2: You rock, thanks :) <davmor2> fader_: transferring to usb now <davmor2> hey cgregan <cgregan> hey davmor2! <cgregan> morning <cgregan> errrr <cgregan> afternoon! :-) <davmor2> cgregan: close but no cigar :) <davmor2> cgregan: will there be an upgrade path from hardy unr to jaunty unr? <cgregan> davmor2: That is a question for lool <davmor2> lool^ <cgregan> davmor2: For our customers....no. Device is locked to the shipping version <davmor2> cgregan: :( meanie <davmor2> is this strictly for support reasons? <cgregan> davmor2: hehe <cgregan> davmor2: Yes...hardware support <davmor2> that's fair enough then can't argue with that <davmor2> fader_: installing to AAO now <fader_> davmor2: :D <lool> davmor2: An upgrade path that we support officially? no <lool> But you can probably upgrade; not sure what would break, probably not too much <lool> Poulsbo would be the most obvious <davmor2> python is the big screw up at the moment with upgrades <davmor2> fader_: moment of truth * fader_ plays a drumroll. <davmor2> fader_: orange flashy power button <fader_> davmor2: i.e. it didn't wake up when you opened the lid? <davmor2> no <davmor2> fader_: I'll press the flashy button now <fader_> davmor2: Excellent, thanks. I'll put that in the bug. <fader_> davmor2: Thanks for checking that out! <davmor2> fader_: now it's green and it's come back to life :) <fader_> davmor2: I think it's just lazy. Making you press a button... <davmor2> fader_: that's classy the wifi doesn't work after suspend Yay <davmor2> lool: is the current image okay? <fader_> davmor2: That's on the linpus install? <davmor2> fader_: yeap <fader_> davmor2: Heh, nice <fader_> Who needs to be online anyway? <davmor2> fader_: on a downside the leds work <fader_> davmor2: Which leds are those? <davmor2> fader_: wifi <fader_> Heheh wow. <cr3> dtchen: uploaded alsa-info output to bugs 354705 and 354707 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 354705 in alsa-driver "[Jaunty] Microphone doesn't work at all on Eee 701SD" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/354705 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 354707 in alsa-driver "[Jaunty] Microphone doesn't work at all on Eee 900" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/354707 <cr3> man, ubot is quite clever to have understood both bug numbers <davmor2> fader_: I'm just doing the updates and then I'll check suspend and resume again and just double check that it didn't get fixed latter <lool> davmor2: The current image should be ok <fader_> davmor2: Ah, good idea <davmor2> lool: Cool I need unr back lite is so poor <jtholmes> have there been any reports of partman failing in the 4/3/09 and the 4/6/09 daily-live iso's <davmor2> jtholmes: not that I'm aware of cjwatson ^ <davmor2> jtholmes: is this on Kubuntu? <jtholmes> davmor2, both give partman error 141 and wont install i put in bug 345515 friday but was not able to upload the syslog and partman logs until today <ubot4> jtholmes: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out <jtholmes> maybe i am the only one having the problems <cjwatson> jtholmes: it's not reproducible across the board <cjwatson> we're working through incoming bugs as fast as we can but it's taking a while <jtholmes> cjwatson, ok i will try another machine <jtholmes> and see what the results are there <jtholmes> i suspect though that it is somehow my machine <davmor2> jtholmes: I did a kubuntu install on friday which was fine <cjwatson> jtholmes: I don't think you mean 345515. typo? <jtholmes> cjwatson, yes typo 354515 <jtholmes> davmor2, must be my machine I will check on another machine <jtholmes> because ubuntu installs fine, but on another machine <jtholmes> thanks guys i will test on another bed and get back to you <davmor2> jtholmes: That could be the problem there try installing on a pc rather than a bed you might have more joy :D <jtholmes> rofl thanks needed that <cjwatson> jtholmes: err. are you sure that that partman log is complete? it doesn't look it <jtholmes> cjwatson, you know I had the same feeling about completeness let me reinstall and see if I missed something <cjwatson> exit code 141 is SIGPIPE which means "something I was talking to just randomly died" <cjwatson> but there's no indication in the logs of what that might have been <jtholmes> let me rerun wont take long <davmor2> jtholmes: did you type out the logs? <jtholmes> davmor2, no i scp them to another machine from a terminal window i started after the partman failure <davmor2> fader_: This may take a while AAO linpus lite downloads 1 patch and applies it and then then next patch and applies it etc, etc, etc <fader_> davmor2: Heh, nice... thanks for the update. :) <davmor2> fader_: I wouldn't mind but I think it is on number 5 there are maybe 25-30 <cjwatson> jtholmes: I would recommend making sure that you acknowledge the installer's crash window first, to make sure that all the logs are flushed <jtholmes> cjwatson, yes i will do that <jtholmes> cjwatson, i get the same results on another machine i will upload the logs and try a third machine <davmor2> jtholmes: is your burn good? <jtholmes> davmor2, i actually do it from a hard disk <jtholmes> however i did burn earlier today and it also failed at the same place <jtholmes> i am going to try a third machine which does not have both SATA and IDE hardware to see if that may be the problem <jtholmes> davmor2, if no one else is having the prob then it has to be my hardware <cjwatson> jtholmes: please don't casually assume local hardware problems; there's no obvious evidence of that in your log as yet <cjwatson> jtholmes: it's entirely possible for it to be some property of the current state of your hard disk (and I don't mean a broken hard disk, I mean the bits on the disk), for example <cjwatson> in most cases of hardware problems, there is some evidence of that in the logs <cjwatson> similarly, in most cases of bad burns (although not all), there is some evidence of that in the logs <cjwatson> so let's be scientific about this :) <jtholmes> cjwatson, what are your suggestions <cjwatson> we don't really have enough widespread daily build coverage to be able to generalise accurately from "only one tester is seeing this" to "only one Ubuntu user is going to see this", anyway <cjwatson> jtholmes: in the first instance, I suspect that running the installer with 'ubiquity -d' from a terminal window and then uploading /var/log/syslog /var/log/partman /var/log/installer/debug would be useful <cjwatson> I have no suggestions until I have seen the logs; I prefer not to guess <jtholmes> cjwatson, I will run ubiquity -d and upload the logs thanks <cjwatson> thank you * davmor2 suddenly dies of boredom waiting for this chuff linpus lite to update * fader_ calls dibs on davmor2's stuff. <fader_> Er, I mean, I'm in mourning. <davmor2> :P <davmor2> fader_: it's on like number 8 or something now it's a joke I've install a netboot faster than this infact I'm pretty sure the gentoo builds faster :D <fader_> davmor2: Have you tried hitting it with a blunt object? <davmor2> fader_: I have a nasty feeling that it's a patching system and so needs to recompile the module/app after each update <fader_> davmor2: Ugh. * fader_ barfs. <davmor2> fader_: now your getting it. I just downloaded 713 meg of unr in the time that it took the bar to move 1 mm <fader_> davmor2: Yeah, but the screen is small, so you have to figure that 1mm is like 6km on a bigger screen, right? <cjwatson> fader_: berkelium was the system that was having LVM removal troubles, wasn't it? <cjwatson> fader_: I'd like to use my new magic servenab powers to fiddle with it today or (perhaps more likely at this point) tomorrow <fader_> cjwatson: berkelium was one of them <fader_> cjwatson: Cool, I'll be happy to assist in any way I can <cjwatson> fader_: anything special I need to do to get an installer session up with console access, beyond what's documented on the wiki? <cjwatson> preferably an installer image of my choice <fader_> cjwatson: Yes :/ It's doable but you'll need some extras and to fiddle with a preseed <fader_> cjwatson: I'll see if I can scrape you up some scripts to help, as otherwise it's a bit painful <fader_> cjwatson: I emailed a script to you and some detail on how it works. If you'd like me to make the modifications for you I can do that as well... I'll just need to know what image you'll want to use and we'll have to walk through the preseed <cjwatson> thanks; happy to have a go myself <fader_> cjwatson: Cool. Just to let you know, the process I'm using to reproduce this is to run "make_ppa berkelium"; wait a bit for berkelium to be rebuilt in the PPA pool (using LVM), and then run the install <fader_> (make_ppa on nickel will wipe a machine and rebuild it for use in the PPA pool) <cjwatson> right. sounds straightforward enough <cjwatson> this is about third or fourth on my list so I'll see how it goes today ... <jtholmes> cjwatson davmor2 that problem appears to be hardware specific move to 3rd machine and installs from cd and runs fine <jtholmes> move=moved <cjwatson> I'd say system-specific rather than hardware-specific <jtholmes> that was what i meant type <jtholmes> typo <jtholmes> I'll fight that battle here <fader_> davmor2: Still updating? ;) <davmor2> Yes, Damn IT! Whose idea was this anyway <davmor2> fader_: on a plus side this is the last patch <fader_> davmor2: Good grief. I thought you were joking about gentoo ebuilds being faster, but I see that you weren't. :P <davmor2> fader_: I was on about a full install of gentoo :D <davmor2> I'm beginning to wonder if linux from scratch might not be faster <fader_> Ah, well, that's different. I recall those taking a couple of days last time I tried. (Though how much of that was gentoo and how much was just me swearing violently I won't say.) <davmor2> fader_: yes but this is like 20+ patches this isn't even a full app <davmor2> fader_: next time I suggest it shoot me <fader_> davmor2: You know, it's taking all my willpower to not sit here and snark vehemently with you. I'm a bad person. :) <fader_> davmor2: I was hoping when you were done with this you'd polish a 20 cubic foot granite cube down to the size of a grain of sand with a silk cloth for me. <fader_> :) <davmor2> fader_: no probs it'll take half the time this has <fader_> Hehe <fader_> I like to imagine that for space efficiency, the patches are transmitted as just MD5 sums. Then the machine is generating a string of random bits and testing them to see if they give the same MD5... if not, it tries again. <davmor2> fader_: don't give them ideas <davmor2> fader_: It's only gone and finished ;) <fader_> \o/ <davmor2> reboot <fader_> Maybe you should reinstall and update one more time, just to be sure. O:-) * davmor2 shoots fader_ to death with blow pipe and rolled up paper * fader_ has quit (shot to death with blow pipe and rolled up paper) <davmor2> fader_: After the monumental update it does exactly the same thing you still need to press the power button to wake it up <fader_> davmor2: Great. I appreciate the hassle to test that :) <davmor2> fader_: worth being thorough though <fader_> Absolutely. <davmor2> now to get unr back on before I go mad <davmor2> fader_: Like I say iirc you had to do the same with xp too <davmor2> lool: nice to see unr down in size :) <dtchen> cr3: ok, looking. thanks. <cr3> dtchen: thanks man, there might be a known workaround for the Eees, but I'm not sure <dtchen> right, just looking at a Xine/PulseAudio issue, then i'll be at 35470[57] #ubuntu-testing 2009-04-07 <jtholmes> can anyone tell me how i can download the partman files that are part of the ubiquity installer <mvo> hm, I got a timed login screen with the live-cd from today. that waits 10s before logging in ubuntu - is that known/expected <davmor2> Morning Everybody <davmor2> Anybody got a hardy server with a samba share on it? <davmor2> schwuk: just the man <schwuk> davmor2: I never touched it! It was like that when I got there! <davmor2> schwuk: do you happen to have a hardy server at home with a samba share on it? <schwuk> davmor2: no, but I can have in a ridiculously short amount of time. <davmor2> schwuk: can you see if you can get jaunty to connect to it using the "network" part of places. It's failing for me here. But is working on intrepid, xp and vista <schwuk> davmor2: straight through, although - TBF - I was already connected to that server. <schwuk> davmor2: but browsing worked <davmor2> Mine lists Windows Network, then WORKGROUP, and then fails with failed to retrieve share list from server <davmor2> it's not picking up my server name like it used too <davmor2> so schwuk when you click on Network do you the name of your server? <schwuk> davmor2: Yes <davmor2> schwuk: that's what mine isn't doing <davmor2> so I wonder why that is <davmor2> schwuk: Yay I can connect via connect to server <fader_> davmor2: Good afternoon :) <davmor2> fader_: morning <davmor2> fader_: I've killed my usb pen drive I think :( <fader_> davmor2: My advice would be not to do that. <fader_> Too much plugging and unplugging? <davmor2> fader_: Fortunately I have another so I got unr back on my AAO <davmor2> fader_: Too much overwritting <fader_> davmor2: Hah, I thought that after spending a week upgrading Linpus on it you'd want to keep it that way ;) <davmor2> fader_: Cough * SUCKS!!!!! *Cough <fader_> :) <davmor2> fader_: To be fair for the average web user moving over from windows it's probably great. However for any other user it's so limited <fader_> davmor2: To be honest, I know absolutely nothing about it. :/ Maybe I should dig through Wikipedia a bit. :) <davmor2> fader_: I can create an iso of the cd for you if you want :) <fader_> davmor2: I think I'll probably pass on that, thanks :) <davmor2> fader_: Coward <fader_> :P <fader_> Their website doesn't inspire confidence, especially when clicking on screenshots gets me 404s <davmor2> :D <davmor2> fader_: http://regmedia.co.uk/2008/08/15/aspire_one_10.png <fader_> That doesn't look too bad, but it's tough to know how well it works from the screenshot <fader_> The icons are nice, in that late-90s sort of way <davmor2> fader_: Again I'll happily create an iso of the cd for you :) <fader_> Hehe <davmor2> fader_: there is only one true way to try it you know that don't you ;) <fader_> davmor2: I'd love to but, uh, I have to attend the opening of my garage door. <davmor2> lmao <jtholmes> cjwatson, if you have time pls chk the last entry on
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