#ubuntu-server 2005-12-01 <Pygi> Hi hi <Pygi> hi hi <spike> hi there <Pygi> Hi hi #ubuntu-server 2005-12-02 <troy> hola <troy> offtopic: http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/National/2005/11/26/1324591-sun.html <spike> nicb: wtf <spike> eer <spike> that's crazy <spike> peanut butter <spike> oh a side note, does any of you know moinmoin? <Valandil|work> moinmoin :-) <Valandil|work> Du bist vonner Kste? :-)) <spike> hey valandil <Valandil|work> meinereiner bekennender Fischkopp aus HH <Valandil|work> (HH= Hansestadt Hamburg) <Valandil|work> spike: (in english to keep nettiquette) where You're from? <spike> eeer, didnt we extensively talk like yesterday? <Valandil|work> ooooops * spike was drunk so isn't sure actually <Valandil|work> sorry, my head is a little dumb today <Valandil|work> cause I'm a little ill <spike> np dude, so is mien :) <spike> mine* <spike> oh, sorry to hear that <Valandil|work> :-) <Valandil|work> no problem <Valandil|work> just a cold <Valandil|work> where did You read moinmoin? or why You're asking? <spike> I wonder what they run on wiki.ubuntu.com server <spike> Valandil|work: moinmoin the wiki <Valandil|work> oh :-( <spike> because my installation, from stock on breezy is put <Valandil|work> when You live at the north-coast in germany, you say 'moinmoin' instead of hello :-) <spike> I can't properly admin the wiki, and I'm seeing a few pros here and there, with acl and such <Valandil|work> hmm, sorry, never heard of this Program <troy> I see moin moin as a greeting here also, from German immigrants to Canada (like my mother's family) <troy> her native tonque is plaat, but I don't know it <Valandil|work> troy: here in Hamburg one speaks plaat :-)))) <Valandil|work> troy: or as we say: "Talk op platt" <Valandil|work> troy: please tell her greetings from the "waterkant" :-) <Valandil|work> OK, go to bed now ... good noght all :-) <Valandil> hi all :-) <spike> hi there <Valandil|work> Hhi spike :-) <Valandil|work> and bye... got to leave <Pygi> Hi hi <troy> stupid nick thieves <spike> tell me about it... spike is taken tens a day... never got why lilo refuses to implement autokill #ubuntu-server 2005-12-03 <spike> hi there <Pygi> Hi #ubuntu-server 2005-12-04 <troy> hola folks #ubuntu-server 2005-12-05 <spike> 'morning #ubuntu-server 2005-12-06 * troy yawns <sivang> morning <spike> 'morning #ubuntu-server 2005-12-07 <hunger> This 2.6.15 kernel is strange! <hunger> Yesterday night the -6-686 did not boot before I went to bed. When I woke up today it did. <hunger> The -6-686 works way better than the -5-686 though <spike> 'morning <fabbione> morning guys * ..[topic/#ubuntu-server:fabbione] : ubuntu-server discussions and support | for general support see #ubuntu or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat for other channels | Download Ubuntu Server Edition at http://releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/5.10/ | Ubuntu Server dapper specs: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-server/+specs | Ubuntu Server forums at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=45 <fabbione> troy: please leave a pointer to the specs <fabbione> given that's what we are going to play for dapper * spike checks the specs <spike> fabbione: is a ML available or it's still a work in progress? <fabbione> spike: i did ask again yesterday to the admins <fabbione> but other than that i have no news <spike> fabbione: woooo, finally the MD5 checker, god bless you man :) <fabbione> spike: i have the core already implemented <fabbione> i hope to finish it sometimes next week <spike> A dtrace port or use/investigate/integrate/package system tap (apparently a dtrace-alike for Linux) <------ that doesnt work afaik <spike> systemtap I mean. it's under dev, but far from being enterprise ready <spike> last time I checked at least, might check again, I was after it too <spike> (playing with dtrace with solaris10/nexenta) <fabbione> spike: take into account that some stuff there is really in "wishlist" state <fabbione> not all the spec will and/or can be implemented for dapper <fabbione> but since we had the ideas, we wrote all of them down <fabbione> anyway... lunch :) <fabbione> i am hungry <spike> fabbione: about /etc under RCS... would you think that throwing in cfengine would be too much of a trouble? <spike> ok, talk to u later <sebest_> hello <spike> hi there <sebest_> to introduce myself, i'm one of the developpers of avahi, and i wrote the "corporate users" part of this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZeroConfSpec/Misc <sebest_> and i was interested in a ubuntu for server with the same spirit as its desktop counterpart <spike> sebest_: cool, I was lookin at that few days ago, really nice stuff <sebest_> spike, yes will make ubuntu even easier to use :) <sebest_> if we can get a server that works nicely with the dekstop, it would be a really great thing for small business <spike> sebest_: I agree. not my personal first interest, but indeed nice <spike> 'lo Valandil <sebest_> fabbione, the RCS idea for the servers is great, i thought about it previously using svn (but bzr is equivalent) but why does it need the crontab script? <sebest_> with subversion you can have action on commit <fabbione> sebest_: it's not a problem of action on commit <sebest_> eg: call a script that check which file as been altered and restart the coressponding service <fabbione> no no.. you are on the wrong track <fabbione> the crontab is to make the commit transparent to the admin <fabbione> let say you start editing files <fabbione> and you forget to commit <fabbione> the crontab will commit for you <fabbione> with a timestamped commit <fabbione> but no service restart <fabbione> that's up to the admin <fabbione> but the idea is good.. it could be a config option * spike proposed a stronger solution cfengine like <fabbione> even if the hook would be pretty complex <spike> and that would help with stuff like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkWideUpdates <sebest_> ah ok <fabbione> spike: i don't know cfengine and how complex it is <spike> so it would be, imho, a better approach for further development <fabbione> spike: none of the admins did ever mention it <fabbione> during the spec writing.. that's it <spike> fabbione: I guess I can contribute on that.. <fabbione> spike: the specs are "closed" for dapper <fabbione> you are welcome to add comments and ideas at the bottom of the wiki <spike> fabbione: well, imho that's the standard for large network management, as accepted by usenix/sage <sebest_> another nice thing with RCS, is versionning (rollback) and log message to explain the chaange <fabbione> spike: please add it at the end <fabbione> spike: so there is a record <fabbione> and we will not forget <spike> they've also got dpkg hoos, to install pkgs and such <spike> hooks* <spike> ok <fabbione> sebest_: the idea behind RCS is exactly to give admins the possibility to rollback easily <sebest_> each admin will have an etc in their home, so they can edit there local copy, right? <sebest_> they don't need to sudo or su to edit config file? <spike> fabbione: to this page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerCandy <fabbione> in theory <fabbione> you could also push changes between differnt machines <fabbione> like you do a change on a machine <fabbione> sshcluster to do a bzr cherrypick that changeset <fabbione> spike: yes <fabbione> so that for example your apache config is updated everywhere on the production servers from the staging/testing machine <sebest_> would it be possible to give access to some part of /etc/ selectively <sebest_> eg not allow someone to alter apache config, and another one postfix <fabbione> sebest_: that's a bzr feature we are missing <fabbione> nested trees... <fabbione> basically bzr archives inside bzr archives <fabbione> you achive that possibility once there are nested trees and you can block access via normal unix permissions <sebest_> hum, is it a planned feature? <fabbione> yes <fabbione> but there is no ETA on it yet <spike> mmmh, doesnt svn gives you ability to restrict access to subdir, does it? I seem to recall such thing <fabbione> plus we need to consider that we need to use a stable version of bzr * spike never used bzr <fabbione> spike: not that i know of <spike> fabbione: I'll check that out <fabbione> and in any case svn has the problems that it requires a running server <fabbione> bzr doesn't <sebest_> a running server? <fabbione> well you need to setup the server side of svn <sebest_> you mean for remote access? <fabbione> even the local db <sebest_> no <sebest_> svn admin create toto <sebest_> svn co file://path/toto <fabbione> sebest_: but than you lose other features <sebest_> ah maybe, i don't know <fabbione> like the possibility to cherry pick from server to another <sebest_> i know that i use it without server * spike avoid commenting 'till he learned more about bzr <sebest_> i use it over ssh <spike> cherry pick? <fabbione> i admin that my svn experience is client side only * spike uses svn server and likes it a lot <fabbione> spike: yes.. never done cherry picking? * sebest_ too <spike> ssh has restrictions, principally no virtual users <spike> fabbione: oh, ok, just googled the term. no, I havent, never had the need <sebest_> i know that svn can have lock problem when using db format <sebest_> it's better to use ffs <fabbione> ok <fabbione> but we are not going on svn.. i can tell you that from now <sebest_> i know nearly nothing about bzr yet <spike> sebest_: fsfs solves that <spike> yep <fabbione> plus you need to keep in mind one thing <fabbione> this miniRCS thingy <sebest_> but i'm ok with any RCS system as long as it fullfill our need :) <fabbione> is meant to be used only for "recovery" <fabbione> it's not something you are going to use regularly to do your development <fabbione> think about it like a daily backup <fabbione> except a bit more powerful :) <sebest_> the advantages that i saw what the loggin stuff (each admin, can write a message about why he made a change) <spike> well,once u've it up it should be up to u to use it whatever u want it for, no? I don't see why designing something like an RCS system restricted to "recover" <sebest_> so it's easier to trace wrong change <fabbione> sebest_: you don't lose that <sebest_> and also easier to have many admins working on the same server <fabbione> sebest_: the cron is there only if changes are done and you forget to commit <fabbione> if there are no changes, there is no commit <sebest_> fabbione, yes i got it :) <spike> fabbione: btw, why bzr? <fabbione> spike: it's distributed, doesn't require a central db/server and we support it directly :) <spike> and, do you think the infrastructure will be modularized enough so one can replace bzr with something else? <fabbione> possibly yes <fabbione> i didn't get to write that code yet <spike> because, now that u mentioned changes and multiple admin, I'm working on stuff to wrap things like that in a ticketing system, trac like, because that's what you relly want to large enterprise imho <spike> and svn is nicely integrated with trac, so to me, bzr is a problem from that POV <fabbione> spike: svn is not distributed and that gives me tons of other problems <fabbione> spike: i can write it modular.. you can write the svn plugins <fabbione> but i am not going to invest time on RCS != bzr <spike> fabbione: whatever, guess the spec should just allow switching. I never had a prob with it, I guess because mine and yours requirements are different <spike> fabbione: that's perfect for me, I'll invest time to support svn, I'd just like the specs to allow me to do so <fabbione> spike: as it is they don't.. but that's a code design issue <fabbione> spike: there is no need for the specs to be modified <fabbione> i can just do that at code level <fabbione> and allow a certain level of modularization <spike> fabbione: ok, "specs" was just a name for it,whereever you wanna do it, I'm fine with it <fabbione> spike: so am i :) <spike> fabbione: do you mind an OT question? are you familiar with telecom interbusiness router issues when it comes to additional subnets? <fabbione> spike: telecom italia? <spike> imho they do something really nasty here, but they have exclusive access to the router, and I'm not sure how to convince them they have to reconfigure it <spike> fabbione: yes <fabbione> spike: no sorry <fabbione> i don't live in italy <fabbione> and i did stop working for seabone a loooooong time ago <spike> good for you :), actually not either I will anymore in a month :D <sebest_> fabbione, what kind of help do you need for the server related stuff on ubuntu? <sebest_> personnality i've interest in the SBS stuff <sebest_> this may be a particular use case of the server project <fabbione> sebest_: it depends what you can do <sebest_> i go eating, we'll discuss this later <fabbione> i might not be around later <fabbione> but ok <fabbione> enjoy your lunch <sebest_> i can do a lot things ;) (skills in admin, packaging and programming C/php/python) <spike> php isnt really programming :P * spike <--- evil <spike> :D <sebest_> that's why i added pythoon ;) <sebest_> brb <Valandil> hi all :-) <sebest_> re <spike> re #ubuntu-server 2005-12-08 <troy> night night <Pygi> Hi Hi :) <spike> hi there <Pygi> hi spike <troy> moin moin <spike> 'lo troy <Valandil> moinmoin :-)) <Valandil> ;-) <spike> hey Valandil <Valandil> hi spike :) <Valandil> Do You know apache2? <Valandil> this crappy little thing eats up 60 percent of cpu-power of a Athlon MP 2600+ Dual-CPU-Server! <Valandil> and I don't know why! <spike> Valandil: which one? ie, they got a few pkgs, preforked, perchild, threadpool, worker? <Valandil> uh the one from the ubuntu-server <Valandil> took the default config <Valandil> I guess, it's got something to do with php and mysql... but I cannot trace it <Valandil> but I guess, it takes too much cpu-power - or is that normal fpr apache2? <Valandil> I used to use 1.3 <spike> Valandil: personally, I havent found a single person able to explain me why I should run v2 <spike> OTOH, I've read a few nice articles why devs would have big benefits from apache2.x, actually 2.2, which has been released a few days ago iirc <spike> on the admin side, the only point to me is you need stuff that works with apache2 only, ie, mod_authz developed for svn web access <Valandil> hmmm me, I don't need this stuff, but my boss says something of "we are modern, so don't use old, dusty software" :-( * spike shrugs <Valandil> But I try new version, perhaps I get it :) <Valandil> *gg* <Valandil> Oh, meal :-)) cu later ;) <Valandil> and Thanks for the Ideas! <spike> is there any reason why lvm is used instead of evms? <cSt> Hi everyone. I have an older laptop where the default ubuntu install didn't work (maybe my media), anyway I tried server and everything went fine. Now I want to get gnome (or kde) installed, but I'm not familiar with apt, or the package names for getting gnome up and running. Any help would be appreciated. <neuralis> cSt: that's a question for #ubuntu, but you can get started with 'apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'. <cSt> okay, thanks. I think I have something going now. I added the "universe" source in /etc/apt/sources.list and started apt-get install gnome, it's pulling stuff from the cd now. I'll move over to the #ubuntu channel. #ubuntu-server 2005-12-09 <sebest> hi all <sebest> fabbione: hello <Bakura> hi , newbie question but can i use grep or something similar to replace words via command line? <blue-frog> what words in what file bakura? <sebest> blue-frog, he is gone <blue-frog> oh yes right :) <Chrisx1> hey i installed server version of ubuntu and i cant connect to internet and is there meant to be a graphical interface on it? <blue-frog> Chrisx1, yes. but before do u have an ethernet card? <Chrisx1> yes <Chrisx1> 2 <blue-frog> Chrisx1, u can set up your card the way u like in /etc/network/interfaces <blue-frog> Chrisx1, /etc/resolv.conf to give a dns server <blue-frog> Chrisx1, to install graphical ubuntu-desktop <Chrisx1> how can i edit them files tho? <Chrisx1> + I have no access to the internet to download desktop <blue-frog> Chrisx1, if you ask then u should install a graphical interface from the cd (assuming u have the normal ubuntu cd that u installed in server mode) <blue-frog> to install sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop <User613> I cant get version 0.68 deleted from my hard drive. Can you help <User613> I cant use it and it takes up alot of memory #ubuntu-server 2005-12-10 <hunger> Keybuk: You noticed bluetooth breaking, too? <spike> 'morning <hunger> Keybuk: bluetooth module is there, so udev seems to do its magic, so this is probably nothing for you to worry about. <fabbione> hunger: ECHAN? <hunger> fabbione: Yes, sorry. <hunger> Keybuk: bitchx is confusing to me without end... unfortunately it is the only way I have to cisneroselizabeth@example.net. <fabbione> again <hunger> s/Keybuk/fabbione/ <fabbione> ehehe <fabbione> it takes a bit to get used to it <Xamusk> anyone here used ubuntu as an ltsp server/client? <fabbione> Xamusk: you better are ogra/mdz on #ubuntu or #ubuntu-devel <Xamusk> fabbione, ??? <fabbione> Xamusk anyone here used ubuntu as an ltsp server/client? <- <fabbione> answering to your question <Xamusk> fabbione, yeah, ogra just gave me a patch that may fix my problem in #edubuntu <Chris_in_the_uk> hi, can someone help me set up screen - so i can ssh into my server then close the terminal and come back to it later? #ubuntu-server 2005-12-11 <Chris_in_the_uk> hi, can someone help me set up screen - so i can ssh into my server then close the terminal and come back to it later? <neuralis> Chris_in_the_uk: that's a question for #ubuntu, and there's nothing to setup past installing the 'screen' package. <Chris_in_the_uk> neuralis: cheers <[g2] > first off, congrats on the recent AMD64 Sever release <[g2] > secondly, I'm thinking about a possible XScale server release <stinkydave> has anyone had any luck getting asterisk 1.2 to run on ubuntu <spike> 'morning <fabbione> morning guys * fabbione is setting up the mailing list <spike> cool <troy> moin #ubuntu-server 2005-12-12 <Pygi> Hi hi <etcp> pygi: morning! <fabbione> morning guys <etcp> hiya <fabbione> hey guys <Pygi> Hi hi <Pygi> what's up? <etcp> just up, about to head to work <fabbione> not much <fabbione> i didn't get to finish to setup the mailing list <fabbione> i hate that mailman web interface * ..[topic/#ubuntu-server:fabbione] : ubuntu-server discussions and support | for general support see #ubuntu | Ubuntu Server (stable) at http://releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/5.10/ | Ubuntu Server (Devel) at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/ | Ubuntu Server dapper specs: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-server/+specs | Ubuntu Server forums at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=45 | cisneroselizabeth@example.net is up and running <spike> 'morning <jimcooncat> hi, looking for assistance on amavisd-new. runs clamav well, eicar test caught. But spamassassin doesn't seem to be hooked up properly. ran "avavisd-new debug" and see "ANTI-SPAM code NOT loaded". What do I check next? I don't see anything in amavis conf file regarding spamassassin. <jimcooncat> hi, looking for assistance on amavisd-new. runs clamav well, eicar test caught. But spamassassin doesn't seem to be hooked up properly. ran "avavisd-new debug" and see "ANTI-SPAM code NOT loaded". What do I check next? I don't see anything in amavis conf file regarding spamassassin. <ivoks> hi <fabbione> hey guys <ivoks> hi fabbione <ivoks> thanks for accepting me in <fabbione> no problem <fabbione> we got the LP permission sorte <fabbione> +d <ivoks> hehe #ubuntu-server 2005-12-14 <hunger> Are there any useable application benchmarks for linux to measure performance regressions? <fabbione> hunger: depends what kind of performance you want to measure <hunger> fabbione: server stuff like serving webpages, etc. <fabbione> and how long are you prepared to wait for real results <fabbione> hunger: there is an apache bench for that <fabbione> let me search for the name <fabbione> can't rememeber it offhands <fabbione> ah it's in apache itself <hunger> fabbione: I got the feeling that my box got slower with the new kernel... but that can very well be just my impression. <fabbione> it's called ab <hunger> fabbione: Thanks! I'll run that if I find the time to do so this WE. <fabbione> hunger: performance are difficult to measures <hunger> fabbione: Yes, I know... <fabbione> and you need a really clean env to do it <hunger> fabbione: currently I do End to end measurements with a proprietary product. * hunger got to run. <spike> 'morning <Pygi> Hi hi <Pygi> welcome lbm <lbm> well, thank you :) <Pygi> :) <Pygi> hello #ubuntu-server 2005-12-15 * #ubuntu-server [freenode-info] If you're at a conference, please contact freenode staff to make sure we've made special allowance for many users coming into our network from a single internet address ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp ). Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked, except to network staff, services and participating registered users ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )... Thanks! <Pygi> heh <Pygi> troy :P <zenrox> Player: ( xmms 1.2.10 ) Volume: ( 22% ) Title: ( VA_-_Creative_Braindamage_Compiled_By_Psy-Gothic ) Time: ( 10:12/77:37 (13%) ) BitRate: ( 160 kbit/s - 44100 Hz ) * #ubuntu-server [freenode-info] If you're at a conference, please contact freenode staff to make sure we've made special allowance for many users coming into our network from a single internet address ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp ). Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked, except to network staff, services and participating registered users ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )... Thanks! <Pygi> hi hi <Pygi> hehe <troy> morning folks <Valandil> hi troy :-) <troy> Valandil: I'm curious about the origin of your nick? <Valandil> why? <Valandil> ah, You like to know, where it comes from? <Valandil> (sorry, my English is not great ;) <troy> yes :) <troy> and your English is "Good Enough(TM)" <troy> probably good enough to make University entrance requirements here in Canada anyway <Valandil> OK, if You say it ;-) <Valandil> My name comes from the fact, "chrys" is already registered <troy> oh, hahaha :) <Valandil> so I took the name, an "elven name Generator" gave as Output of the name "chrys" <Valandil> :-) <troy> cool - it looked 'elven' which is why I asked :) <Valandil> I play lots of "Live Action Role Play" and I only play elven Characters <Valandil> #:-)) <troy> live action, with costumes and swords and such? <Valandil> yes, exactly <Valandil> I'm a bard, a musician <troy> do you have any instruments to play in costume? <Valandil> yes, I play a guitar-like old instrument, some irish tin-whistle, and a schottish warpipe * troy always plays as an archer, elven or human depending on the game <Valandil> cool :-) <Valandil> which system? <troy> depends who I'm playing with - sometimes D&D, sometimes simply roleplaying without rulesets <troy> there's a large group in my city here that does live action events, but I don't usually attend (my costume needs a little work) <Valandil> :-) <Valandil> if you're interested in photos: <Valandil> http://www.druidenhain.org/LARP/Bilder/05/A3-sunset/Sunset2.htm <Valandil> is is from an event we organized <Valandil> the third photo on the right side is me :) <Valandil> but nowerdays, the beard is gone :) <troy> http://tblog.ath.cx/troy/images/jiilik.png <Valandil> :-) <Valandil> looks good :) <Valandil> but I prefer the longbow ;) <troy> My bow isn't in that picture - I can't wear the quiver and the cape at the same time - they interfere with each other <Valandil> *giggle* Yes, I can imagine <Valandil> my blog is coming soon. The domain-owner is learning for exam, so I have to wait a litte <troy> tblog.ath.cx/troy is mine - I use that domain since it's free, and I can point it to my dynamic IP :) <Valandil> :-) <Valandil> mine is chrys.littlecornerofthe.net <Valandil> but joerg is still in leraning... <troy> what software do you use? <Valandil> for blogging? or which I work with? <troy> blogging * troy is looking to replace his blogging software but is still looking at options <Valandil> hmmm, I think, Joerg has set up a kind of wiki <Valandil> since I have a systemaccount, I can set up this wiki as readonly <Valandil> perhaps it's not very elegant, but it's quick ans dirty ;-) <troy> I see - hrmm, I wrote my own software for all my stuff - it can sort of do wiki, see http://tblog.ath.cx/wiki/ <troy> that wiki hasn't been used in some time - I don't think are are any links anywhere on the net that lead to it :) <Valandil> looks interesting <Valandil> hi Pygi , hi mgalvin <Valandil> :) <Valandil> troy: me, I'm not good in web-programming <mgalvin> hi Valandil, hi all :) <Valandil> I like servers and consoles :-)) <Pygi> Hi hi all <mgalvin> hey mario <Pygi> hey matt <Pygi> any progress with your instant-server? :) <mgalvin> eh, been to busy to think about it, maybe eventually, but not right now <Pygi> heh <mgalvin> gotta pay those bills first ;) <Pygi> hehe <Pygi> so troy, what's up in this channel? ;) <Pygi> heh, troy sleeps <Valandil> ;) <Pygi> welcome eric <eric> thank you <eric> how is everyone <Pygi> ah, everyone is mostly busy :P <eric> ic <Pygi> but still, if you need any help, fire away :) <eric> well I am making my first attempt at setting up a server <eric> dont really know what I am doing yet <Pygi> ah :) <eric> not much in the wiki <Pygi> ah, well, ok, so what you did? <Pygi> installed core server? <eric> working on it <Pygi> kk <Pygi> great <eric> Do you know much about VPN <eric> that would be my ultimate goal <Pygi> ah, good <eric> The box I am doing the install on was running XP and I had Apache on it as a web server, just tired of all the security concerns <Pygi> hehe 33ec:265c:71fe:e26d:2682:4ec2:aaa1:99ab) <eric> so what has your experiance been with ubuntu server <eric> still partitioning <eric> the simple server looks interesteing <Pygi> I installed a couple of ubuntu servers * troy wasn't sleeping <troy> just going through amarok and manually retagging songs that have typos in the tags, etc. <Pygi> heh, you just woke up :) <troy> nah - I've recently done OS reinstalls for a few family members and took the opportunity to help myself to their MP3 collections - now I have to resort and tag them all to bring them up to par with my existing pile <troy> takes a long time <troy> and I'm ignoring wma files for now - amarok 1.3 doesn't index them (1.4 does, but still too unstable) <Pygi> heh <eric> I found that rythembox likes wma just fine <troy> well, the wma files work fine, it's the tag support that's lacking <troy> which is in the svn version of amarok, and I can install if I'd like, but not worth it :) <eric> mmm I think mine were already tagged <troy> amarok 1.3 doesn't read/write wma tags at all <eric> I just know when I pulled all of wma off my server into rythembox everthing was labble properly <troy> I only have about 100 wma files, compared to several thousand mp3 and oggs, so I'll just ignore them <troy> and when amarok 1.4 is released, JRiddel usually packages it for kubuntu right away <eric> not a problem then <eric> so how hare is it to setup a VPN on ubuntu <eric> I am seeing a lot of complaints in the forums <troy> depends what kind of VPN? tunnelling? <eric> I dont know much about it I just want to have all of my computers on the same network with a secure login even the windows machines, and I want to be able to acess all of the files from the net <eric> any suggestions <troy> eric: probably samba <troy> over tunnelled ip <troy> for unix computers you can NFS mount /home, which I find is usually the best solution <troy> but when adding windows to the picture, *shrugs* I don't use windows ever <eric> I dont personally but I have to professionally #ubuntu-server 2005-12-16 <hunger> Could somebody please change the permissions for cdrw drives so that group cdrom can write to them again? Thanks! * #ubuntu-server [freenode-info] If you're at a conference, please contact freenode staff to make sure we've made special allowance for many users coming into our network from a single internet address ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp ). Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked, except to network staff, services and participating registered users ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )... Thanks! #ubuntu-server 2005-12-17 <spike> 'lo <shawarma> Can anyone recommend a good SATA RAID controller that works out of the box with Ubuntu? <fabbione> shawarma: 3ware are known to work but expensive <fabbione> shawarma: you get them at good price in rhus tho <shawarma> How expensive is expensive? <fabbione> shawarma: dunno.. i usually buy here shg.dk <fabbione> they are at least 10% cheap than here in Copenhagen <shawarma> ...and it works of the box? That's the most important factor, actually. <fabbione> shawarma: i don't have one myself.. most kernel developers told me that's one of the sanest <shawarma> fabbione: Just any 3ware? Or a specific one? I find it REALLY difficult figureing out if something is actually software raid or if it's real hardware raid. <shawarma> fabbione: WOW! Just noticed the price tag.. <shawarma> fabbione: That is waaaay out of my league. <fabbione> shawarma: this is -server.. not -wannabecoolwithsatahwraid <shawarma> fabbione: But a RAID controller for 195 DKK doesn't sound too much like hardware RAID. :-) <fabbione> ;) <fabbione> nope <shawarma> fabbione: :-P It IS for a production server, but not quite within that budget range. <fabbione> well.. sucks to be you :P <fabbione> no seriously.. <fabbione> i have a.. hmm let me check... <fabbione> 0000:00:0f.0 RAID bus controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA VT6420 SATA RAID Controller (rev 80) <fabbione> i have this one on my mobo <fabbione> don't use it tho <fabbione> but the driver is loaded and doesn't crash :P <shawarma> I'm almost certain it's really software RAID. <fabbione> but why do you want hw raid? <fabbione> do you realize how many problems you have with hw raid? <shawarma> fabbione: I have one box with it that works just fine.. <shawarma> fabbione: What would those problems be? <fabbione> that's not a good reason <fabbione> first of all hw raid is not standard.. you can't unplug disks from one controller and put them into another. you are binded to that brand and porbably model forever <shawarma> It's for a production server, and my customer wants hardware raid. The want RAID for the obvious reasons and they want it to be hardware raid to minimize the performance impact. <fabbione> software raid is very light on the CPU <fabbione> that's because they don't know ^^ <shawarma> I'm curious.. If it's actually software raid.. why is a special driver needed? To fetch the RAID settings from the BIOS? <fabbione> with hw raid let say in a raid5 3 disks setup, if 2 disks die, you can wave good bye to the data (all of them) <shawarma> Of cours.e <fabbione> with software raid you can recover with a bit of luck <fabbione> ok.. there are 3 raid: <fabbione> - real hw raid <fabbione> - fake hw raid <fabbione> - real software raid (done at kernel level) <fabbione> the one you are asking about is the fake hw raid <fabbione> that seems to be hw <shawarma> right. <fabbione> but it's done via some device mapper tricks <fabbione> you need a recent kernel .12 or higher <fabbione> and dmraid <fabbione> a tool to manage it <fabbione> gotta go now <fabbione> cya around or the 15th at e2e <shawarma> Sure. when is it? <shawarma> 14:00, right? <fabbione> i think so <fabbione> i will be there before that <fabbione> remember your GPG fingerprint and documents ;) <shawarma> Alright. See you there! <shawarma> Always. <shawarma> Never leave home without them. :-) <shawarma> Hmm... So if I'm going to have to settle with fake raid anyhow (1000$ for a true hardware SATA RAID controller is WAAAY out of my budget), pretty much any SATA controller will do just fine, right? <fabbione> if the SATA is only for storage and you boot from other disks, you are okish.. otherwise no <fabbione> you can't boot from fakeraid yet afaik <shawarma> I thought you were leaving? :-) <shawarma> fabbione: I'm ALMOST sure that you can... <shawarma> I believe I have a customer who did just that. <shawarma> No, wait. That was not "fake raid" but software raid. <fabbione> exactly <fabbione> you can boot from software raid <shawarma> fabbione: So the lesson is: Use software RAID instead of fake raid? <IzzyCC> hey all <IzzyCC> anyone here mind helping me with an install for some $? <IzzyCC> im so frustrated right now ;) <troy> IzzyCC: explain your problem :) <IzzyCC> okie, *nix newbie here... <IzzyCC> installed ubuntu... then tried to remove php4/mysql4 and put in 5 <IzzyCC> it "looked right" but yet still shows it using php4 <IzzyCC> so now im ready to just start all over again <IzzyCC> and getting super frustrated <IzzyCC> id rather just throw a few dollars via paypal to someone to get me up and going than kept having to read fubared tutorial after tutorial <troy> IzzyCC: did you use the ubuntu packages for php and mysql? <troy> php5 is in the repositories, but mysql5 is not - 4.1 is however, and it'll work for everything I can think of <troy> so "sudo apt-get install php5 mysql-server-4.1 php5-mysql" should do it <shawarma> fabbione: ping? <fabbione> shawarma: pong? <shawarma> fabbione: Regarding the RAID thing... Can you in short explain what the advantages of fake raid over software raid are? <shawarma> fabbione: To me, it appears there are none. <fabbione> fake raid sucks.. i never said it has advantages over software :) <fabbione> i honestly prefer software > * <shawarma> fabbione: Even true hardware RAID? <fabbione> it depends from the hw raid <fabbione> let's put it this way.. <fabbione> if you build a server with one raid controller, you lose <fabbione> (hardware) <fabbione> if you want redundancy, you need at least 2 raid controllers <fabbione> and most of them don't support sharing a disk on a chain <fabbione> so you still lose <shawarma> Heh.. Well, the chances of the mechanics or magnetic plates of a disk failing are surely higher than that of a RAID controller? But in principle, you're absolutely right. <fabbione> statics of that are sort of hairy <fabbione> i have seen both failing.. <fabbione> so <fabbione> and tbh, once you get one single raid card on a server <fabbione> that's a half quality one <fabbione> i would rather trust more a better SATA controller without raid and use software raid <fabbione> i can tell you that software raid is chea during normal operations <shawarma> But a fake raid controller doesn't give any advantages over software raid, afaics. With fake raid, you're still doing software RAID, but paying for the fancy bios configuration interface. <fabbione> the code is uber optimized <shawarma> Yeah, I know. I remember looking at it right after 2.6 came out. <fabbione> no it doesn't. because you still use the kernel device-mapper to access the right blocks on the fake raid <shawarma> nah...it wasn't right after 2.6... It was right after they revamped the dm stuff. <shawarma> Well, some time ago, anyhow. :-) <fabbione> ehehe <shawarma> Well, this cleared up quite a few things. Thanks a bunch! <fabbione> no problem dude #ubuntu-server 2005-12-18 * troy yawns <troy> hey, anyone done any css? <troy> I'm having trouble grasping something in css - see http://tblog.ath.cx/~troy/mockup.html and http://tblog.ath.cx/~troy/mockup.css -- I want the left column to adjust it's width to accomodate the right column, how do I do that without tables? <Pygi> fabbione: how's server going along? <fabbione> hi Pygi <Pygi> hi <fabbione> it's going pretty good <fabbione> we got the i386 -server kernels <Pygi> glad to hear that <fabbione> but i still need to integrate them on CD <fabbione> and i am working on the specs <fabbione> the md5 checker thingy <fabbione> it's giving me some headackes but it's coming along <fabbione> we have some blockes on the /etc in RCS <fabbione> snakeoil certificate will happen around end of Dec beginning of Jan. <fabbione> the other stuff is all WIP <Pygi> ah, good <fabbione> today (hopefully) we will get the announce out for the entire project <fabbione> after which we will start sending out weekly status reports <fabbione> or something <Pygi> great ;) <Pygi> maybe then I could join the server team ;) <fabbione> you are welcome to <Pygi> hehe, ok, launchpad url for the team? <fabbione> http://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-server/ <Pygi> thanks <fabbione> no problem <fabbione> brb <Pygi> kk <Pygi> I see I am already in the team... <Pygi> tell me when your back ;) <fabbione> re <Pygi> I hope "re" means you'r back ;) <fabbione> yeah <Pygi> k, I have one question not really related to server, if that's ok with you <fabbione> try :) <fabbione> otherwise i can always send you to #ubuntu <fabbione> :P <Pygi> heh, how do I candidate myself for ubuntu member? <Pygi> hehe, don't send me nowhere ;) <Pygi> fabbione response: #ubuntu ;) <fabbione> Pygi: check the wiki.ubuntu.com <fabbione> there is documentation for it <fabbione> you need to go trough the MOTU process <Pygi> so I have to become MOTU first? <Pygi> k, thanks <fabbione> yeps <Pygi> heh, not the packages ;) I'll see ... maybe it's better to continue contributing to Ubuntu without being a member ;I <fabbione> Pygi: it's easy to contribute without being a member, as it is to become a member after you do contribute something <Pygi> hehe, I have contributed <Pygi> one of the two founders of HR Loco team, installed Edubuntu in one school for now (but will eventually be more), ... <Pygi> uses Ubuntu as server there <fabbione> that's good :) <Pygi> :) <Pygi> k, I go now <Pygi> talk to you later <Pygi> bye <Pygi> hey hey <Pygi> hehe, matt, troy, etcp,... <shawarma> Has anyone here done a Ubuntu install with lvm on top of software raid recently enough to almost remember the exact steps? I'm trying to guide someone through it over the phone and I'm a bit confused. <fabbione> shawarma: yes i did, but i am really heading to sleep now <Pygi> night fabbione <shawarma> fabbione: Argh... Oh well.. I'm trying to emulate in a QEMU but it takes forever. <shawarma> I'll just have to make do. Cheers. Sleep well. <fabbione> shawarma: sorry.. i am just too tired to remember it step by step <fabbione> at 11pm :) <shawarma> fabbione: Don't be. Go to sleep and make Ubuntu even cooler tomorrow. ;-) <fabbione> ehe <shawarma> Don't be sorry, I mean. Not "don't be tired". :-) #ubuntu-server 2005-12-19 <maswan> fabbione: btw, http://www.clusterfs.com/pr/2005-11-16.html <- perhaps an update to UbuntuClusters would be in order? (lustre GPL public releases not lagging anymore) <fabbione> maswan: isn't the same we discussed not too long ago? <maswan> fabbione: oh, might be. I just browsed through the wiki just now <fabbione> indeed it is <fabbione> 2.6.10 afaict from 1.4.6beta <maswan> Also: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerCandy links to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCluster without the trailing s in UbuntuClusters <fabbione> ok <fabbione> typo fixed.. <maswan> Thanks <fabbione> maswan: if you can get a kernel patch for .15 we can try it <fabbione> as it is their patch system really sucks * maswan nods <fabbione> anyway i need to go afk for a while <maswan> Well, in a while, not very soon though. <maswan> Ok <fabbione> bbl <maswan> We're currently in the middle of upgrading woody->breezy :) <spike> hi there <spike> I just noticed that the advertised installation mode, server-expert isnt actually available <spike> am I missing somthing? <jammcq> hello server team <beezly> I've just been reading the wiki/ServerCandy page - great stuff in there - particularly /etc under RCS and Xen <beezly> does anyone know anything about things happening with 3rd party app vendors? I'm particularly interested in Oracle support under Ubuntu <leonel> can Squirrelmail be included on main ? <gustavor> what kind of changes should I do to in sources.list to get server edition? <gustavor> i'm using breezy <Nafallo> gustavor: none. it's the same archive with the same applications. #ubuntu-server 2005-12-20 <troy> gustavor: literally, the only difference is which apps are on the install disk -- once it's installed, it's a normal ubuntu system <uid> hello <uid> anyone here? <troy> I'm here * troy wonders if uid is still here :P <Kuyaedz> can someone point me to some docs/wiki on using a ubuntu-server as the central machine for a windows home LAN? * troy thinks Kuyaedz could have used an instant server <Nafallo> troy: agreed <Nafallo> but then, that depends what the central server should have done :-P <troy> probably file and print, I'm assuming <Nafallo> could aswell have been routing involved aswell :-) <Nafallo> hmm <Nafallo> scratch one "aswell" ;-) <troy> :) <troy> I hate doing routing on multi-nic machines - maybe it's better in modern kernels, but it used to stink * troy just uses dedicated hardware now <Nafallo> I do that. 2 nics :-). <shtylman> can anyone here give any advice on how to set up a homeserver...I have ubuntu on the server already and am looking to buy two more harddrives and put them in raid 1 <shtylman> then question is what should I do with the hd that I have in the server right now? <shtylman> can I just run the server from that hd and create symbolic links to the raid storage drives <shtylman> would that be a viable alternative <nictuku> hi. Official support of DB2 was a great step. any other big RDBMS support coming? =] <fabbione> hi everybody <ajmitch> hi fabbione <fabbione> hmm lot LP requests.. <fabbione> will process them this evening or tomorrow <fabbione> i am out for a talk all day <polvi> hey, i heard rumors that ubuntu was working on a rhn equivent product... anyone heard of this? <fabbione> polvi: i think you heard wrong <polvi> equivalent* <polvi> fabbione: ah ok <polvi> thats too bad - there really is no good host management app <fabbione> polvi: hold on.. by RHN i understood the pay service they offer for security <fabbione> and upgrades <fabbione> if you mean just the "applet" to do upgrades <fabbione> there is already <polvi> yeah, upgrades and security... but they also do stuff like deploying configs <polvi> and a place to add information about the hosts <fabbione> we have all of that already <fabbione> info on the host is hwdb.ubuntu.com <fabbione> updates and security is there <fabbione> if you need to clone machines there is the equivalent of their kickstart for Ubuntu <polvi> hmm, like, a place where I can look at my entire infrastructure from the web, see which ones are not updated -- what updates are needed -- deploy updates if need be <fabbione> not at that level.. no <fabbione> it's a good suggestion but not just -server related <fabbione> that's more global ubuntu <polvi> hmm <fabbione> you should consider posting the idea to ubuntu-devel mailing list <polvi> i would imagine this as an app someone would install within their infrastructure <fabbione> write down these ideas on the wiki <polvi> which? <fabbione> and add them as specs in launchpad <fabbione> wiki.ubuntu.com <fabbione> create a brand new spec <fabbione> post the link to ubuntu-devel <polvi> ok <fabbione> and seek for consensum <fabbione> that's the best way to get involved and push your ideas <polvi> consensum, should I use that word :P <polvi> ? <fabbione> it might work, it might not <fabbione> sure, if you want <polvi> heh <polvi> thanks for the pointer <polvi> fabbione: do you work for ubuntu? <fabbione> no problem <fabbione> yes <polvi> how many -server folks are there? <fabbione> me and another guy <polvi> sweet <fabbione> plus other random people that do other bits <fabbione> like the kernel and so on <polvi> do you physically work together? or is it all remote? <fabbione> all remote <polvi> cool <polvi> i think this -server stuff is great <polvi> i really hope it is all successful <polvi> by register a new spec, does that mean create a new project? <fabbione> no <fabbione> it means creating a new spec :) <polvi> ah, finally found the line! <polvi> had to go ubuntu -> spec <polvi> any particular place in the wiki? <fabbione> polvi: not really.. just give it a sensible name :) <polvi> wiki.u.c/Blah ? <fabbione> yeah <ajmitch> and you can probably use SpecTemplate when creating the page <polvi> you guys are good <polvi> like a tag team <polvi> :D <polvi> ok, i will do this once i get back to the hotel <polvi> thanks for holding my hand finding the pages <polvi> :P <fabbione> no problem :) <fabbione> you are welcome <polvi> fabbione: still there? <fabbione> yes <polvi> i would like a little feedback before i ship this off to ubuntu-devel: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/serverland <polvi> (if you have time) <fabbione> i don't now.. i will look at them tomorrow <polvi> ok <fabbione> i am flying out to another city in 20 minutes or so <polvi> no problem <fabbione> you can still ask feedback on -devel <fabbione> don't be afraid of that <polvi> ah ok * polvi tough'ns up <fabbione> remember that you might not be the only one with these requests <fabbione> and asking more people for review will improve the use cases and details on the implementation <fabbione> you might have missed a detail or a corner case and so on <polvi> yeah <polvi> i hope so <fabbione> when we write specs, it's always a bunch of people that discuss and write <fabbione> never one alone.. <fabbione> also-- you might want to start CC ubuntu-server mailing list <fabbione> since we have one :) <polvi> start CC? <polvi> CC it when I send the email to -devel? <fabbione> CC = CarbonCopy :) <fabbione> yeps <fabbione> it will drag attention to the new mailing list <polvi> yeah, i know CC, just thought you meant subscribe to it or something <fabbione> and we will move there afterall since the spec is -server related <fabbione> well you need to be subscribed to post <fabbione> or wait for me to approve the message <polvi> fine fine <polvi> i will subscribe <polvi> :D <fabbione> both ways work for me :) <fabbione> it will just take longer <polvi> ok, subscribed to both <polvi> lets see how this goes... <fabbione> ok.. i am taking off <fabbione> later <polvi> bye, have a safe flight <fabbione> thanks, but i will have to rely on $cheapcompany pilots :) <polvi> heh <fabbione> my flight licence is expired :/ <polvi> bust <polvi> sounds like you need to get away from the computer more :) <fabbione> i have a wife out of this room.. it doesn't help .. really <fabbione> ;) * fabbione & <Pygi> hi hi <Pygi> hehe, vijest je stavljena <Pygi> ah, we got a new member? <ajmitch> hm? <ajmitch> ah, I was added <Pygi> new member in ubuntu server, team :) <Pygi> welcome to the team :) <ajmitch> probably because they know me :) <Pygi> hehe <Pygi> there are a lot people on the waiting list :P <ajmitch> yes, but I went to some of the server BOFs at UBZ <Pygi> hehe, I didn't say nothing because you were accepted into team ;) I am glad you are ;) <Pygi> just saying a lot of people wanna join us ;) <ajmitch> which is good <Pygi> yup <Pygi> now all we need to do is make the ubuntu server the best server platform ever ;) <Zambba> I've installed the minimal install of Ubuntu. Now I've heard about the Ubuntu Server which has "server-orientated kernel". <Zambba> How can I install that kernel-image to my home server and what benefit do I get if i do so? <spike> Zambba: I dont see any benefit atm <spike> Zambba: the real benefits will come once dapper (the next ubuntu version) is out <spike> Zambba: see the specs on the link in topic <gentoome> I'm tryin to inst buntu on an old laptop but I only got 32mb ram <Nafallo> good luck, since it needs at least 64MB for the server :-P. <Nafallo> 128MB for the desktop. <gentoome> oh <Nafallo> atleast my official cd-covers says so :-) <gentoome> theres no boot parameter i can use? <Nafallo> server, needs 64MB <gentoome> damn <gentoome> i need a small OS that uses gnome <gentoome> any suggestions? <Nafallo> well, since server needs 64, and the diffrence between server and desktop is gnome, I'm lead to belive there is a reason you need atleast 128MB named gnome :-P. <Nafallo> you might want to try xubuntu with XFCE4. and the correct channel for those questions are probably #ubuntu :-). <gentoome> ok thanks <Nafallo> np <Pygi> please tell me what kernel is ;) <Pygi> or what is Linux? <Pygi> thank you ;) <Pygi> hehe ;) <Nafallo> ? <Pygi> hehe, why the question mark? <Nafallo> cause I don't understand what you mean ;-) <Pygi> ah, I asked you to explain me what is "Kernel" and what is "Linux" ;) <gentoome> ouch <Nafallo> maybe you should try #ubuntu with that question? <Nafallo> :-) <gentoome> lol ouch again <gentoome> google might help more <Pygi> hehe, I was just joking ;) <gentoome> oh ok <gentoome> scary <Pygi> hehe ;) <Nafallo> I know :-) <Pygi> Nafallo: I know you know :P <Nafallo> ah, I think we got a loop on our hands :-P <Pygi> heh <Pygi> what kind of loop? ;) <Nafallo> ehm, a knew-loop? :-) <Pygi> heh <Pygi> will do :) <Pygi> welcome henrique <Zambba> spike: OK thanks <spike> btw, what about the current devel version? <spike> devel link in topic doest work <spike> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/ correctly serves dapper alpha2, tho <ajmitch> morning <ajmitch> spike: try cdimage rather than cdimages * ..[topic/#ubuntu-server:ajmitch]
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