#xubuntu-devel 2010-09-02 <charlie-tca> Team reports need to be updated for August 2010, if you have not done so already <charlie-tca> Maverick Beta is out! now to get our own news updated on http://xubuntu.org #xubuntu-devel 2010-09-03 <charlie-tca> cody-somerville, pleia2, others : blog about xubuntu maverick beta! We got new wallpaper, new gtk theme, working well, few bugs <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: have you looked at bug 613054 yet? <ubottu> Launchpad bug 613054 in xfce4-mixer (Ubuntu) "xfce4-mixer muted on login" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613054 <charlie-tca> Not really high priority, but really irritating ;-( <mr_pouit> hmpf, probably another issue with alsa/gstreamer #xubuntu-devel 2010-09-04 <charlie-tca> Have we updated the team report for August? It is important to keep the report updated, as it is published in the Ubuntu Weekly News for all to read. <charlie-tca> Updating is easy - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/TeamReports <mr_pouit> I added a few entries (I don't remember anything from august, but it's a start :p) <charlie-tca> Great! Thank you <charlie-tca> crimsun_: I don't actually know how to play any sounds at the login screen to check the mute bug. any hints would be greatly appreciated <crimsun_> charlie-tca: it actually doesn't matter if you try at the display manager. You can switch to tty1, login, and try speaker-test -c2 -l1 -Dplug:front <charlie-tca> Okay. I can do that. thanks <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: re: Bug #613034 > do you see the "graphical" plymouth theme, or the "text" one? (the text one is probably the fallback with drivers that don't support kms) <ubottu> Launchpad bug 613034 in xubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu splash screen is showing Ubuntu 10.10" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613034 <charlie-tca> test <charlie-tca> text screen <mr_pouit> because xubuntu-artwork only provide a graphical theme, not a text one (I can reproduce this in virtualbox which uses the text one) <mr_pouit> okay, then that's the reason <charlie-tca> aw, crap. You are right, too. Nvidia card again <charlie-tca> We are still waiting on the hardware drivers to get straightened out <charlie-tca> Okay, updating the other system to test these things, too <mr_pouit> yeah, so we're back again at the "let's have someone make a proper plymouth theme" :} <charlie-tca> thorn in the side, huh? <charlie-tca> I get the xubuntu splash now on the box using nouveau <mr_pouit> yeah, nouveau supports kms, so plymouth shows the graphical theme :) <charlie-tca> Thanks. <charlie-tca> crimsun_: no sound at all before/after logging in without going through the Workaround I gave in the bug report. <charlie-tca> big 613054 <charlie-tca> bug 613054 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 613054 in xfce4-mixer (Ubuntu) "xfce4-mixer muted on login" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613054 <crimsun_> charlie-tca: so, please reboot, login at tty1, and use "sudo alsactl init 0" <crimsun_> charlie-tca: then log in at the display manager <charlie-tca> oaky, will do <crimsun_> charlie-tca: let me know if that resolves your symptom #xubuntu-devel 2010-09-05 <crimsun_> charlie-tca: I just committed a fix for your 613054 <crimsun_> charlie-tca: I'm going to let it stew a couple hours for other devs to test it before I push it <charlie-tca> Thank you <charlie-tca> anything I can do to help? <crimsun_> test it, I think? <crimsun_> it's a very simple change, actually, a one-liner <crimsun_> (flood coming) <crimsun_> === modified file 'debian/udev.script' <crimsun_> --- debian/udev.script 2009-11-06 00:17:14 +0000 <crimsun_> +++ debian/udev.script 2010-09-05 15:55:28 +0000 <crimsun_> @@ -5,6 +5,6 @@ <crimsun_> ( <crimsun_> DEV_BASENAME="${DEVNAME##*/}" <crimsun_> N="${DEV_BASENAME#controlC}" <crimsun_> - exec /sbin/alsa-utils start $N <crimsun_> + exec /sbin/alsactl init $N <crimsun_> just apply that change to /lib/udev/alsa-utils <charlie-tca> I will give it go <charlie-tca> crimsun_: It does not work on my maverick 386 install <charlie-tca> fails to unmute <charlie-tca> volume drops to 2% and is muted when I boot now #xubuntu-devel 2010-09-06 <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, cody-somerville : I am considering a blueprint proposal for Natty that includes contrasting colors in the panels and windows. These themes without enough contrast are not okay for visually impaired users <charlie-tca> KE1HA: Anything happening to the docs? <KE1HA> Yeah, been working on them a bit after I finished the ISO testing I was doing. <charlie-tca> :-) <KE1HA> Had lots of crashes the last couple days, but seems to e smoothing out a fair bit. <charlie-tca> heh, that's good <charlie-tca> Maverick is coming together <KE1HA> Yeah, I hope they do something whit the art-work on Ubuntu, did care too much for that setup. <charlie-tca> I seem to be doing great today. I have managed to not answer almost everything I tried to answer <KE1HA> did not .. <charlie-tca> That is also in work <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, cody-somerville : I am considering a blueprint proposal for Natty that includes contrasting colors in the panels and windows. These themes without enough contrast are not okay for visually impaired users <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, as the default theme? <charlie-tca> also pushing accessibility is high on my list <charlie-tca> yes, cody-somerville <charlie-tca> I need a theme that things show up in. As nice as Abatross and Bluebird are, the contrast is very low <charlie-tca> I am also pushing to get a decent high contrast theme into the wiki preferences <charlie-tca> My eyes are going nuts again <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: I don't know why we could not be the distribution that disabled users flock to, with a theme they can use as default. * charlie-tca puts on leader hat <cody-somerville> If the default theme can look great while being highly accessible than I think that would be wonderful. <charlie-tca> Of course, it may not be feasible for this to happen, since we could lose users trying to do that * charlie-tca takes off hat <charlie-tca> We just need to get more contrast in the panels and icons, and the text. It is a lot of work to do that. <charlie-tca> Maybe we could work at it a little at a time. <cody-somerville> A second highly-accessible theme in addition to the default will probably be needed for some users. <charlie-tca> Of course, but there are high and low contrast themes that can be used. No matter what we do, not all users will be able to use the defaults. <cody-somerville> But we should certainly be conscious of opportunities to improve the default theme's accessibility and reduce eye strain it might be causing. <charlie-tca> I still have hopes <mr_pouit> to achieve that, it is necessary to start "sooner" (e.g. for maverick it was definitely too late) <charlie-tca> I am not very patient with it, which does make it harder for me to discuss reasonably <charlie-tca> Yes, mr_pouit. I agree. That's why I want to start now discussing it for Natty. If we start with that in mind, it will be easier to work towards it. <charlie-tca> A theme that is both accessible and nice would really gain users. <KE1HA> Here ya go charlie-tca [ awk '$0!="" && !seen[$0]++' *-cfg ] works a treat, got from the guys in the bash channe. <charlie-tca> Great! <KE1HA> Need it fer docs ;-) among other things. <charlie-tca> Oh, yeah. Got another news article in Ubuntu Weekly News. Trying hard to get one a month about us, at least. <KE1HA> The more the better. I saw several requests to Join this or Join that after the last posting, so it has a + affect fer sure. <charlie-tca> well, we got to keep trying, that's all. :-) #xubuntu-devel 2010-09-08 <rougeleaf> Good morning, where can I get some networking assistance, please #xubuntu-devel 2010-09-10 <Balsaq> xubuntu 10.04 wont update and crashes...just stops. forced me to power off and then the computer would not run after that...just booted to the same crashed update screen. #xubuntu-devel 2010-09-11 <ochosi> just in case you people are interested in a xubuntu-maverick-beta review and a few user-comments: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/xubuntu-1010-maverick-meerkat-beta.html #xubuntu-devel 2010-09-14 <KE1HA> charlie-tca: you around at the moment ? <charlie-tca> yeah <KE1HA> charlie-tca: is there a fixed number of ISO point releases for LTS versions ? <charlie-tca> 4 <KE1HA> cool, and for the non-LTS they dont do point releases correct? <charlie-tca> Although that could change <charlie-tca> correct, no point releases for non-LTS <KE1HA> and for syncing LTS ISO's, if you use the basename say, 10.04, is is ln -s to the latest point release? <KE1HA> is it* <charlie-tca> don't know <KE1HA> Hmm, need to test that. was just wondering if you sync the base ISO, if it will link to the latest point release. <charlie-tca> I just sync from current, so for me, it doesn't use the point <KE1HA> as looking in the release directory for 10.04, they list both 10.04 and 10.04.1 at least for Ubuntu & Kubuntu <charlie-tca> point only counts if you sync from "release", not from daily <KE1HA> roger that, current it dev, and I've got my scripts workign for dev, was just working on migration from dev to release. <charlie-tca> Why? If you have the latest daily, it is what the release will be <charlie-tca> lucid point releases are tested from http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lucid/ <KE1HA> some folks like to keep a repository for previous release ISO's, so was woking on somethign to zsync them. <charlie-tca> I see <KE1HA> that's a good point though, point release testing is diffrent than release, and current / dev <charlie-tca> None of the images ever have the .1, .2, etc <charlie-tca> the name doesn't change, only a file on the image changes to show it is a .1 image <KE1HA> but if your only syncing current, that's dev, and not release .. I forgot about point release syncs <charlie-tca> You have to download from a different directory, instead of a different file name. Once they hit the mirrors, the mirrors will not all maintain the different versions, some will only keep the latest <charlie-tca> for any release, the last development image before the release is still the released image <KE1HA> yeah, it's a bit complicated when for scripting. <KE1HA> so to test a point release where should your base sync be from, releases? <charlie-tca> I don't know that there is any advantage of zsync vs downloading for final images of anything. If you have an image, there is no need to zsync it, and if you don't have it, zsync won't work anyway. <charlie-tca> lucid point releases are tested from http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lucid/ <KE1HA> well, yes and no, if you dont ahve it, and it's there, it will download it. <charlie-tca> If you are maintaining all the images, and it zsyncs, it will replace the current image you have, won't it? <KE1HA> if it's in the same dir, yes, but if you create dir's for the point it wont. <charlie-tca> okay <KE1HA> it also depends on the ISO name. <charlie-tca> they maintain the same names <KE1HA> like, you could zsync 10.04.iso then, merely move it to 10.04.1 and zsync for a lot less bandwidth usage, but with mv, you'd loose 10.04 base ISO <charlie-tca> yup <charlie-tca> not much point in moving it if you are going to replace it anyway <KE1HA> so to keep both, 10.04.0 merely cp ./10.04.0 to ./10.04.1 and zsync that image. <charlie-tca> yup <KE1HA> I suppose it all depends on how many ISO's one wants to keep on hand :-) <charlie-tca> but you don't start with .0 <KE1HA> rr on no .0 it's merely 10.04 <charlie-tca> the first release is 10.04, then we start adding points <charlie-tca> Yes, and each one takes a lot of space <charlie-tca> I maintain all the active server, ubuntu, and xubuntu images <charlie-tca> and sometimes, I also add in mythbuntu and studio for testing <KE1HA> this is al a mute point for non-point releases, which was what I was after, figuring out how dev operates, v.s. LTS point release. <KE1HA> charlie-tca: your gonna like what Im working on :-) <charlie-tca> I rsync, since my machines are old and slow <KE1HA> it's not ready for prime-time, but can send you a pre-alfa to ahve a look see. <charlie-tca> okay <KE1HA> can I send a file through here, or is it better to e-mail ? <charlie-tca> email <KE1HA> ok <KE1HA> ok, sent it too you. Several of the funcitons areant ready yet, and of cource the docs are finished. <KE1HA> opps docs are not finished. <charlie-tca> I will look at it <KE1HA> its' optimised for a terminal windos size of 130x25 or so. <KE1HA> I just finished the Selection Function: Main >> Configure >> View List .. Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu config screens are working, haven't codded EDubuntu yet. Zync is what Im working on still so it's not codded yet. <KE1HA> charlie-tca: also on the Config Menu >> Configure Options is borked still, that's why I was asking about point releases. <charlie-tca> Okay <KE1HA> when it's done, all ya gotta do is select what ISO's ya want, and away it goes, or that's the theory any way :-) You may want to comment on how easy it is to see the menu's, I tried to use High-Contrast coloring. <charlie-tca> um, it will be a few minutes before I run it <KE1HA> no worries. <KE1HA> charlie-tca: sent you an updated version with some functions disabled and error handling, that way you dont get the trapped error [1] status / shutdowns. <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, umm, gnumeric in its present is unusable in Maverick <charlie-tca> You can not enter relative cell addresses, every time you need to enter data in a new cell, you must point and click that cell with the mouse, pointing a t a cell with data in it erases the entry <charlie-tca> and, it zips the file when saving, instead of saving in gnumeric file format <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: Is this going to be fixable? <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: I don't understand/can't reproduce the first issue <mr_pouit> and afaik, gnumeric file format is gzipped <charlie-tca> but the saved format won't open unless I change name from ???.zip to ???.gnumeric <charlie-tca> great... When I am entering data, I can not use the keyboard at all to move from the cell when the data is entered. I also can not use keyboard to copy/paste data <mr_pouit> mmh, it saves as .gnumeric here :/ <mr_pouit> and for the other bug, could you give me a simple test case? <charlie-tca> Maverick? maybe it is something to do with updates aren't quite the same as the new installation? <charlie-tca> If I enter =sum(A1,B1) and copy it, the cell references do not change <mr_pouit> mmh, works here too, if I copy it, it'll set the new one to e.g. sum(B1;C1) <charlie-tca> nice <charlie-tca> Well, when the bug reports come in after release, they will be valid, anyway. <mr_pouit> you should try with a new profile, to see if it's reproducible <charlie-tca> okay <charlie-tca> As soon as I can get this spreadsheet finished. I had to install OO.o to get a usable app #xubuntu-devel 2010-09-15 <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: clean user worked for the issues I have with gnumeric. How do I fix my own user? Will it require a new install? <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: you probably need to remove your gnumeric config dir (I don't know where it is thoughâ¦) <charlie-tca> Okay, I will look for that and try it. Thanks <charlie-tca> I thought I used a new /home for this installation, but maybe I carried something forward that should not have been? #xubuntu-devel 2010-09-16 <Neko> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-panel/+bug/640701 does this happen on x86? <ubottu> Launchpad bug 640701 in xfce4-panel (Ubuntu) "Xfce "Applications" menu is truncated in panel on Maverick" [Undecided,New] <charlie-tca> That was just filed what, less than an hour ago? <mr_pouit> this does not happen on x86 afaik <charlie-tca> I haven't seen that here on either arch <charlie-tca> pleia2: I see you are doing the support section in the community pages? <charlie-tca> Idea - Satifaction in helping someone else resolve their problem so they can enjoy the new distribution, too. <pleia2> charlie-tca: yeah, but it's actually been months since I've even looked at the page <pleia2> good idea :) <charlie-tca> should I add it? <pleia2> go for it #xubuntu-devel 2010-09-17 <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: desktop image testing ubiquity - installs good today #xubuntu-devel 2010-09-18 <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: bug 613054 appears to be fixed. The mixer has not been muted in two boots now <ubottu> Launchpad bug 613054 in xfce4-mixer (Ubuntu) "xfce4-mixer muted on login" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613054 <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: yeah, that was fixed by https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/maverick-changes/2010-September/007735.html afaik <charlie-tca> Thanks #xubuntu-devel 2010-09-19 <mskitty> What does everyone think about adding pino as a default social client in xubuntu? <charlie-tca> It should be discussed through the mailing list. Is it a stable version yet, or still in alpha/beta <mskitty> not sure but have been testing for months...works great...an idea perhaps for 11.04? ;) <charlie-tca> We discuss most of the changes on craighoward@example.net <mskitty> ok <charlie-tca> We do have pidgen as the default now. Pros and cons of pino vs pidgen would be a good start <mskitty> both : ) ubuntu has empathy/gwibber...we could have pidgin and add FB plugin + pino :) <mskitty> pino is fedoras default social...lightweight :) <charlie-tca> part of being lightweight is that we try not to have default duplicates <charlie-tca> We have pidgin and xchat now. <charlie-tca> What does pino do that they won't ? <mskitty> yes i am happy bout that...xubuntu has all my fave apps that ubuntu does not :) <mskitty> pino identica/twitter client...and perhaps FB in future <mskitty> i wish we'd move from firefox/thunderbird to chromium/midori and sylpheed/claws though <mskitty> also gpicnew instead of ristretto <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Karmic/DefaultMailClient <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Karmic/DefaultImageViewer <charlie-tca> Feel free to create a new comparison page for Natty, if things have changed from these <charlie-tca> You can also prepare one for default web-browser and chat client or social client if you want to <mskitty> cool....yeah it is a discussion worth having thunderbird has a large memory print 30% more than claws or sylpheed i believe <charlie-tca> Those pages will give you an idea of what we look at <mskitty> have a good night... :) thanks <charlie-tca> memory print is not everything. The fact the thunderbird interface is polished and easy to use counts, also <mskitty> true.. <mskitty> ;) <mskitty> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ <mskitty> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ #xubuntu-devel 2010-09-20 <vish> charlie-tca: hi.. we are getting quite a people interested in doing wallpapers and such.. the team should probably think up a theme or a direction the wallpaper you want.. <vish> highvoltage: too ^ ;) <charlie-tca> thanks! I been watching the list, I think you are right. I hope we get something going there for all you guys. <vish> yeah.. looks like the list just needed to be woken up.. ;) hope more people raise their hands. :) #xubuntu-devel 2010-09-22 <charlie-tca> hmm, They want to know if we can do an UbuntuOpenWeek session - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek <charlie-tca> I know we can. Who wants to do it? <charlie-tca> Opportunity knocking! let's get some exposure to the end users <TheSheep> charlie-tca: I'm sorry, I have another conference around that time. <charlie-tca> okay <charlie-tca> anything we want to talk about there? <charlie-tca> or should I just babble? <TheSheep> it's better to not do anything than to babble, imho <charlie-tca> heh, I could see that <TheSheep> some summary of what's new and whats coming would be nice <charlie-tca> I guess I could work something up. I just thought it would be nice to get some more people involved in the talks <TheSheep> it would, sorry again <charlie-tca> No problem. When the first email came out, they asked specifically for new people to get involved, and that wasn't me <charlie-tca> Unfortunately, that seems to apply to most of us that do these sessions on a regular basis now. <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, pleia2, cody-somerville, ochosi : any opinions on this? Anyone want to do the session? anyone want anything in particular brought up during the session? <pleia2> charlie-tca: unfortunately I'm going to be out of the country that week on vacation w/ limited internet access <charlie-tca> Well, got any ideas? <pleia2> I think the "what's new" thing is good, and during my user days session on xfce people quite liked the screenshots and when I discussed how xubuntu is still kinda like old ubuntu (ships with gimp? didn't move the window control buttons? yay!) <charlie-tca> Great! I will do the session, I suppose. I really want the exposure for xubuntu. Without these sessions, we kind of get lost in the users minds <pleia2> yeah, and lately lxde/lubuntu has stolen some of xubuntu's thunder <charlie-tca> true. We need to publicize more, I believe. <charlie-tca> OMG! I forgot about my internet connection crawling. Three installs at one time; down to 40kB/s * charlie-tca slaps head... good time lag on xchat too. <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: did we have someone working on appindicator support for Xfce? <ochosi> hi charlie-tca <mr_pouit> hey <ochosi> hey mr_pouit :) <charlie-tca> Thaks, mr_pouit <charlie-tca> Hello, ochosi <ochosi> was away, just wanted to stop by for the session-thing <charlie-tca> great! <charlie-tca> You want to do it, or you got ideas? <ochosi> if you need help/feedback on what you're planning for the session let me know <charlie-tca> okay <ochosi> my problem is that during that week i'll be in germany <ochosi> so most likely no interwebs... <charlie-tca> hmm, where can I be... Everybody else is going to be somewhere :-) <ochosi> hehe <ochosi> you're @home? <charlie-tca> yes <ochosi> good ;) <ochosi> *someone* always has to be <charlie-tca> yeah, it is good to be at home sometimes <ochosi> if you want you could set up a wiki page for people to contribute ideas/materials for your talk <charlie-tca> hmm, I hadn't thought of that. It is a good idea <charlie-tca> A wiki page to put ideas for UbuntuOpenWeek session for Xubuntu - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/UbuntuOpenWeek <charlie-tca> Thanks, ochosi <ochosi> charlie-tca: yw #xubuntu-devel 2010-09-23 <ochosi> i just realized that gstreamer-ffmpeg is not installed by default in maverick, yet it is required for parole to play videos, where do you want me to report the bug? parole? xubuntu-*? <charlie-tca> It is required? <charlie-tca> Probably against parole, since if xubuntu does not install parole by default, it is still needed by it <charlie-tca> It is a suggested for exaile <charlie-tca> ochosi: should that be a depends or recommends for -restricted-extras, too? <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: totem does have gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg as a suggested in Synaptic Package Manager. Can we do that for parole too? <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: yeah, I think (but not for maverick) <charlie-tca> Thank you. We will accept it for natty #xubuntu-devel 2010-09-25 <charlie-tca> Hey! A little slow but working; Xubuntu Maverick installed using the desktop image on 400MHz cpu with 384 MB ram <ochosi> charlie-tca: hey, updated your wiki page with a few suggestions <charlie-tca> thank you <knome> the links for the german mirror at http://xubuntu.org/getubuntu are false. the new path would be inside http://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu/releases/ <charlie-tca> Thanks! cody-somerville ^ ^ ^ <charlie-tca> Can you update the website? * knome can't :) <knome> anyway, see you <charlie-tca> ochosi: you guys made the system tray icons mono. Now the updates available seems to stay the same, even when the updates are ready <ochosi> charlie-tca: i don't get any update-notifications in my systray <charlie-tca> you should. It still uses the gear thingy, but it doesn't turn orange now <charlie-tca> Xubuntu still gets them, but Ubuntu doesn't <charlie-tca> Not all the time, though. It gets shown about once a week now, I think <ochosi> hm, weird <ochosi> is there a setting that would influence this? <ochosi> maybe only for security updates? <charlie-tca> I don't know. I just know what I see, I guess. * charlie-tca is probably not so much helpful with the stupid update thingy <ochosi> hm, one more thing is: we have monochrome systray icons, i don't see a reason we should color the updates-icon, especially if it only appears every once in a while <ochosi> also: we're past the freeze, only if you consider this a critical bug it can be fixed for maverick <charlie-tca> because; it comes on to show the system is checking for updates. When it finishes checking, it needs to show it has updates. If there are none, it goes away when the check is finished <charlie-tca> Yes, it is critical. You can not do any updating or installations during the checking period of time,. <charlie-tca> And, you could now wait days for it to say it finished, if there are updates. <charlie-tca> That would seem critical to me. Especially if you are the type that installs any applications after the installation of Xubuntu. You can not do any until the update is finished <ochosi> as far as i can see we're not even shipping that icon in elementaryXubuntu, so the icon comes from the elementary icon theme <ochosi> but as i said before: i never see that icon, so it's hard to check for me <ochosi> if you can find the icon for me in /usr/share/elementary i can try to fix it <charlie-tca> ochosi: forgive me. I think my systems are too old and slow. I just got the update icon in orange <ochosi> haha :) nvm <Aquina> :) #xubuntu-devel 2010-09-26 <charlie-tca> two weeks to Xubuntu 10.10! Testing the RC images this week <highvoltage> :) #xubuntu-devel 2010-09-27 <j1mc> FYI, all: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2010-September/015240.html <j1mc> just thought I'd share that. <j1mc> I would give you his first name if I knew it! He may be hanging out around here, anyway. #xubuntu-devel 2010-09-28 <charlie-tca> Release Candidate Testing begins today for Maverick! Great job on the is release. <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, cody-somerville : Can we turn quadrapassel off in maverick. There is no point having it in the menu when it won't run. <charlie-tca> bug 561734 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 561734 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "quadrapassel doesn't start: Failed to initialise clutter: Unable to select the newly created GLX context" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/561734 <mr_pouit> it should work with 3d acceleration afaik (i.e. not in virtualbox) <mr_pouit> I'll check that when i'm back home <charlie-tca> It won't work at all here, on three hardware systems <charlie-tca> I would prefer it not be a choice, than to be a choice for part of the users <charlie-tca> nvidia does not have 3d acceleration without installing hardware drivers, too <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, fixed <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, the Germany mirror links <charlie-tca> Thank you <ochosi> charlie-tca: quadrapassel works just fine here <ochosi> but then again: i have 3daccel on <ochosi> maybe it doesn't without <charlie-tca> exactly <charlie-tca> It works for "some" users <davmor2> charlie-tca: it requires clutter which in turn requires 3d drivers :( <charlie-tca> But not all users have 3d drivers <charlie-tca> Older nvidia cards have no hardware drivers, newer nvidia MUST have hardware drivers installed to enable 3d <charlie-tca> VirtualBox will fail also <davmor2> charlie-tca: I agree but I think we'll be in the minority L( <charlie-tca> I do not want a program in the menus that only some users can use. They can install it themselves. <ochosi> davmor2: why do you think you would be a minority? <ochosi> i guess i agree with you, charlie-tca <charlie-tca> Hmm, I suppose release notes, too <ochosi> (not that it matters much :) ) <davmor2> ochosi: because it's part of the default games package for ubuntu <charlie-tca> yes, it does matters much. I hate being the only voice of disagreement here <charlie-tca> davmor2: but the .desktop file can have "do not show = true" <ochosi> alrighty, i just meant since i'm not part of the team, that's all <charlie-tca> It does have it's own .desktop file <ochosi> davmor2: i have no clue what you mean, quadrapassel is a package of its own <davmor2> charlie-tca: but that neither solves the issue or frees up space and general public won't know how to access it <charlie-tca> hmm, true enough <ochosi> you can just remove the package quadrapassel from the default install (if you get a freeze exception) <charlie-tca> So, let's see how many people complain and file duplicate reports for something that should have been fixed... :-( <ochosi> depends on how many people play those games <charlie-tca> just that one, the rest work <ochosi> as i said before, it's fairly straight-forward to remove quadrapassel <ochosi> (without removing the others) <charlie-tca> That's what I think, too <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: everything except quadrapassel works in the live environment <charlie-tca> w00t! My internet connection hit 1.64kB/s... just 78 hours left to sync the alt-386 image * charlie-tca thinks testing will take a while at this rate :-) #xubuntu-devel 2010-09-29 <tgall_foo> greets, does anyone know what file controls the layout of the menu up at the top ? IE Applications / firefox icon ... etc ? <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: testing is going great for Maverick RC. No major bugs found. <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: anything we need specifically in the release notes? <charlie-tca> ochosi: found an icon set I can see for ClawsMail - something called "hash303030" works really well for me <ochosi> charlie-tca: thanks, i designed it a few years ago :) <charlie-tca> thanks for putting it out <charlie-tca> heh, it has icons that show up for my eyes! <ochosi> maybe i should update/work on that again sometime <ochosi> :) <charlie-tca> hmm, I also switched to "high contrast svg" icons on my installed Xubuntu 10.10. They show up too. who knew, huh? <ochosi> hehe <edvard> Just found a bug in Xubuntu 10.10, where's the best place to report <charlie-tca> launchpad, what is the bug <edvard> TERM environment variable isn't set <edvard> causes probs with nano, clear and man <charlie-tca> oh, it is reported already, but I don't have the number handy <edvard> couldn't find where to post on launchpad <edvard> oh, ok <edvard> i searched launchpad and couldn't find it, do you know the name of the bug so I can search better? <edvard> found 1 post about the error being in vte, no answer... searching again <charlie-tca> looking <edvard> found post of it affecting guake, but folks seem to agree it's upstream <charlie-tca> Which terminal are you using? bug 621927 can have it added <ubottu> Launchpad bug 621927 in vte (Ubuntu) "Embedded Terminal Emulator isn't giving a TERM variable" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/621927 <edvard> xfce4-terminal <edvard> yeah that's the bug thread i found <edvard> but it looks like the actual bug is in vte <charlie-tca> You mean like bug 651353 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 651353 in vte (Ubuntu) "TERM environment variable not set" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651353 <edvard> yeah that's the first thread i found with no replies. <edvard> I think I'll post in there cause vte seems to be where everything is pointing <edvard> in the meantime, any idea how to fix this? <charlie-tca> good idea. Thanks <charlie-tca> set the TERM variable? you can do it in .bashrc <charlie-tca> just a simple TERM=xterm <edvard> oh, duh <edvard> ok <charlie-tca> export TERM <charlie-tca> two lines <edvard> right <edvard> wait, should it be export TERM=xterm? <edvard> or TERM=linux? <charlie-tca> nope <edvard> i've seen both <charlie-tca> should be two lines <charlie-tca> TERM=xterm <charlie-tca> export TERM <edvard> ok <edvard> Thanks a ton, I'll test this and post after breakfast <charlie-tca> You are welcome #xubuntu-devel 2010-09-30 <charlie-tca> Team Reports need to be updated for September, please. Let's tell the world what we are doing. <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: blogging time, please. Any chance of a blog entry for the Maverick RC release? * charlie-tca knows his blog entries are more sporadic than cody-somerville's are <charlie-tca> Maverick Meerkat RC released! <cody-somerville> w00t! :) <davmor2> yay! <knome> i wonder why the new theme in xubuntu was not noticed in in RC announce. please make sure it makes it in the official release announcement, please #xubuntu-devel 2011-09-01 <charlie-tca> One more re-spin of the Beta1 candidates tonight. There is a fix to parted to make it work on Mac systems <charlie-tca> release notes added to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview <charlie-tca> Good night <charlie-tca> Unit193: someone needs to test the Lubuntu alternate images today <charlie-tca> images dated 0901 are working. These will be published for the Beta1 release <charlie-tca> Thanks go to everyone involved for making this milestone work! <charlie-tca> pleia2: release news - http://2tu.us/3h8b <charlie-tca> Beta1 freeze lifted now <micahg> is it warmer in here? :P <Unit193> charlie-tca: We/they had a tester called Lance, but I'll add that to Xubuntu ones <charlie-tca> jibel ran them, so they are done. Images are being published as soon as the hit the mirrors today <Unit193> jibel is someone on the release team? <pleia2> charlie-tca: ready to be posted? <charlie-tca> jibel is the main testing guy for QA <charlie-tca> pleia2: yes, it should be ready <charlie-tca> release is not official yet, though <charlie-tca> Probably two more hours to make it official, testing is done, waiting for mirrors, I think <charlie-tca> I cheated and put the release notes in the news thing this time <pleia2> ok, I've htmlized it, I'll post whenever we're ready <Unit193> Seems to be missing a few tests, or am I reading it wrong? <charlie-tca> yes, it is missing some * Unit193 picks alt entire, easy as 1, 2, 3 <charlie-tca> Since most of the tests on yesterdays images, today's testing is spotty <charlie-tca> There was a late fix to partitioning that applied to all images, to allow those who install to a mac would not corrupt the drives <Unit193> Well, I'm syncing both (or all 4 if you really want to know) <charlie-tca> That's good. I ran out of energy to keep testing them today <charlie-tca> It was a bit frustrating, when, at 8:00 PM local time, I found every image would be re-built again, and please try to have them tested as soon as they get done... :( <charlie-tca> I almost did not allow them to build the xubuntu images <charlie-tca> They agreed spot testing would be okay today <Unit193> I was going to do one or two yesterday, but computer that can handle it (mostly) crashed <charlie-tca> I did all of them yesterday, and the day before, and the day before that, too <charlie-tca> But, that too is just part of being the tester for Xubuntu :) <Unit193> Well, I try, but I can only run one at a time <charlie-tca> heh, yeah, I run two computers steady just to test those images <charlie-tca> My connection won't allow more than that now <charlie-tca> It was a lot easier when I could run 4 hardware machines, and 4 VBox machines at one time <charlie-tca> jarnos: does any operating system use different icons for mounted vs unmounted drives? <Unit193> Another issue, Vbox killed the computer on opening it again <charlie-tca> really? <Unit193> Second time, I'll try it again, but in a different way <Unit193> Third time. I could try it on this P4 though <charlie-tca> sounds like you made VBox angry? <Unit193> Yeah, this isn't good as it doesn't even OPEN <Unit193> Going to close everything out on this computer so it might be able to handle VBox <jarnos> charlie-tca, I don't know. Thunar does, but the difference is not big enough, IMO. <jarnos> charlie-tca, I want to know by glance, if my removable drive is mounted or not. Actually a drive is not (software) mounted, but partitions in the drive may be. <astraljava> Hey guys, sorry I've been busy with Studio stuff for the past few days. Anything urgent needs to be done this way? <charlie-tca> Nope, nothing urgent today <charlie-tca> just waiting for the milestone to release now <astraljava> Okay, sounds good. <charlie-tca> Going cut the "too long already" grass now <charlie-tca> Can anyone try the oem or free-software installs using the images dated today? <plantoschka> beta1 out yet? <charlie-tca> not yet <charlie-tca> couple of hours yet <micahg> wow, cutting it close... <charlie-tca> heh, lucky to get it in today <plantoschka> :) <charlie-tca> Beta1 released; pleia2 <charlie-tca> pleia2: can you post the news article now? * ChanServ changed the topic of #xubuntu-devel to: Xubuntu Development | Oneiric Ocelot Feature Freeze in effect | #xubuntu for support | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu | Xubuntu Community meeting 2011-09-05 at 19:00 UTC | Oneiric Ocelot images at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ <pleia2> charlie-tca: working on now :) <pleia2> http://xubuntu.org/node/49 <charlie-tca> Thank you! <charlie-tca> This one took a lot of effort on everyone's part to actually get out. <charlie-tca> knome: Thanks for the new logo. It is on the beta1 cd's <knome> np <pleia2> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-11-10-Beta-1-219855.shtml <pleia2> "and a very nice new Plymouth boot splash screen" :D <charlie-tca> w00t! <charlie-tca> That's pretty neat <charlie-tca> I was tired when I wrote the release notes. They seem a bit wordy still, but maybe they will generate excitement, too. <raevol> woo saw the xubuntu beta 1 announcement on planet ubuntu :) <raevol> oh, old news i see -_- <charlie-tca> hm, I have to run my updates tonight for oneiric on this computer. I will be back after it decides to boot again :) <charlie-tca> raevol: it is good to know someone read it! <raevol> :D <Olbi> thx for changes, creating news on my portal :D <charlie-tca> ;) #xubuntu-devel 2011-09-02 <micahg> has anyone tested blueman in xubuntu oneiric? <ScottL> what is blueman (obviously i haven't tested it) <charlie-tca> micahg: far as I know, no one has tested blueman because none of us have anything that uses bluetooth <GridCube> lol <GridCube> charlie-tca, :D good night mister <charlie-tca> Hello, GridCube <GridCube> tomorrow i think i can make some tests <charlie-tca> That would be great! <charlie-tca> We can use as many people testing as are able to test. <GridCube> :) <charlie-tca> Three or four days of installs can make you miss a lot of stuff <GridCube> I'm also learning how to make webformularies to save into mysql databases XD <GridCube> so in a couple of months my project will be on alpha :P <GridCube> well good night mister charlie-tca :) <micahg> ugh, will have to reply to him tomorrow <Unit193> Err... That softpedia says "Mousepad replaced Leafpad" <Unit193> pleia2: You done messed up ;) Site says "Xubuntu has replaced gmd with lightdm" where it should say "Xubuntu has replaced GDM (or gdm) with (L)light(DM)dm" <raevol> Unit193: apologies if i am missing some sort of joke, but see: http://xubuntu.org/node/49 <raevol> oh i see what you are saying about softpedia <Unit193> raevol: That's what I was checking <raevol> man i am always 2 steps behind here :P <Unit193> Na, I'm about the same. Second comment make sense? <raevol> are you correcting the capitalization? <Unit193> Not just that, gmd isn't anything afaik <Unit193> !info gmd <ubottu> Package gmd does not exist in natty <raevol> oooh <raevol> didn't catch that <raevol> Gnome Manager Display <raevol> hur hur <Unit193> It's a quick typo, but I think she be sleeping now :/ <Unit193> That's about the first thing I noticed on screen, and my grammar is not the best... <raevol> i'm bad at cathing typos unless they're the really common kind <raevol> see, catching <Unit193> pleia2: You also need to link to the Beta1 download page, not A2 ;) ( http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/11.10/beta-1/ ) <Unit193> Dang I need to get this VBox working again... <astraljava> What's it not doing? <pleia2> Unit193: I didn't write the release announcement, I just published it ;) <pleia2> but fixed <Olbi> hello <Olbi> I have seen that Xubuntu 11.04 is downloading with update some components of Unity which isn't needed. Could we eliminate that form system? <astraljava> Olbi: What does "with update" mean= <astraljava> = == ? <Olbi> astraljava: today I had update thinderbird with unity integration, so strange :P <astraljava> Olbi: Xubuntu doesn't control individual packages, so if there's a bogus dependency, we can't do anything about it. <astraljava> Then it's a matter of filing bugs against that package, for removing dependencies that aren't needed exactly. <astraljava> On the other hand, if the integration package doesn't depend on unity, then what does it matter? <astraljava> It's just one cruft package. <astraljava> I think anyone can live with that. <Olbi> I only want know if there arent any other unnecessary packages :P <astraljava> Olbi: There's the issue with direct dependencies, and recommends. I think nowadays package managers install recommends by default, so for sure there will be unnecessary packages, for some. <Unit193> pleia2: You're the website person so I contacted you... <Unit193> astraljava: Crashes the computer when I try to open VBox <pleia2> knome: green light from stephanie for the splitting into different branches for theme and plugin <Unit193> Thanks for fixing the post :D <GridCube> so tests need to be updated to the test tracker or jus to the spreadsheet <GridCube> ? <GridCube> oh boy more than half of the image has changed since monday <Olbi|2> what is on 4 september? It is at pink color http://2tu.us/3dmh <GridCube> don't know <astraljava> Probably just the last day initialized so far. It's not a critical date for release schedule, anyhoo. <Olbi> 22 september is last beta :P <Olbi> maybe some1 do calendar for it?:P <Olbi> super, my xubuntu 64 bit beta1 is installing too long from LiveCD :P <astraljava> What does 'too long' mean? <GridCube> there's some troll on #xubuntu <GridCube> !report <GridCube> say that i want to propose an image to be added to the backdrop folder, what kind of propieties it should have? like licences and such? #xubuntu-devel 2011-09-03 <GridCube> oh... it appears that its pretty hard to get an image included on the backdrop folders according to last year lengthy discussion of charlie on ubuntu-artwork <knome> pleia2, yeah i noticed the mail <knome> pleia2, i'll sort that out tomorrow, if you haven't done it by then * knome just came home from bar and doesn't feel so productive <pleia2> knome: no problem, I'm at the airport and will be off visiting family all weekend (3 day weekend in the states here, woo) <charlie-tca> Good morning <GridCube> good:) #xubuntu-devel 2011-09-04 <raevol> global jamming in san diego, torrenting beta1 cd atm <raevol> any thoughts on using PCManFM doe xubuntu instead of thunar? just curious if it's been suggested <raevol> doe means on <raevol> how did i even do that... <micahg> raevol: no, we're an Xfce based distro, so unless Thunar becomes horribly broken, we'd stick with that <raevol> hmm, i'm going to switch to it until oeneric, because of the issue i've been having with it <micahg> raevol: what issue is that? <raevol> the first time i run it after booting it takes up to 2 minutes to launch, and usually launches 2 instances <micahg> raevol: BTW, you're free to install whatever software you like on your machine, as I'm sure you know <raevol> yup, that's why i just switched my FM, i just love xubuntu, so i figured i'd suggest it if it hadn't been suggested before <micahg> raevol: sounds like a possibly corrupted session that was saved <raevol> so i don't have thunar saved in my session, does thunar have its own session management? <raevol> this is when i manually launch thunar after booting <micahg> oh, hmm <raevol> pcmanfm <micahg> idk, I haven't dug into the xfce internals yet, I'm just a starting xubuntu-dev :) <raevol> woop wrong window <raevol> well, if i am still seeing the issue after oeneric i'll be back here to whine some more :) wish 11.04 would get the latest thunar updated in it though <micahg> raevol: generally, we don't update stable releases except with targetted bug fixes due to the risk of regression and interaction with other pieces of the software stack <raevol> makes sense <raevol> am i the only one seeing this issue then? <micahg> raevol: idk, I've been on oneiric for xubuntu since a couple weeks after release, maybe ask in #xubuntu?, our main QA person is offline at the moment, we have a community meeting Monday at 19:00 UTC, you're welcome to attend <raevol> i'll try to make it, where are the community meetings held? <micahg> raevol: right ehre <micahg> *here <raevol> ok cool <raevol> i'll be at work at that time, but i have my work computer set up to be idling here when i am there :) <Unit193> Xfce doesn't let you fully switch to PCManFM, just to let you know <raevol> what's going to break? <Unit193> If you put a link on the desktop for example, it'll still open in thunar <raevol> hmm, don't have any of those <raevol> it's just temporary though, so no worries, sorry for spamming up -devel <GridCube> today is meeting day? <GridCube> or the minutes are just old? <GridCube> good evening charlie-tca <GridCube> today is community meeting? <charlie-tca> Good evening <charlie-tca> nope <charlie-tca> tomorrow this week <charlie-tca> Monday at 19:00 UTC <GridCube> oh <GridCube> update community meeting minutes please :P <GridCube> :/ there is a known bug for compiz, people can't use it on 11.04, because emerald is broken <GridCube> not only on xubuntu, but in ubuntu too <GridCube> so people is having even more problems whit it and xubuntu :( <charlie-tca> okay, I will update the agenda today <charlie-tca> compiz is not needed for xubuntu, they should use the built in compositor. If they really want Unity, they should stay with Ubuntu <GridCube> unity =/= compiz <charlie-tca> emerald has not been in development for a long time already <GridCube> i don't know <charlie-tca> Yes, unity means using compiz, and the work on compiz is designed now to enhance unity <GridCube> oh i see <GridCube> well people want to use compiz whit xubuntu <charlie-tca> yes, and then they complain about how slow it is, or how bad the video is, etc <GridCube> :P <GridCube> well you take the bad whit the good (or however its said on engresh) <charlie-tca> NO, they only want the good, and want help getting it to work the way they want it to <charlie-tca> A good example right there... (#xubuntu) <GridCube> charlie-tca, im doing today's test <charlie-tca> Great! <GridCube> want me to do an encrypted or standard install? <charlie-tca> either one is fine <astraljava> Hey gang, who's doing what? I can do two tests tonight still. <GridCube> im doing alternate full <GridCube> auto resize <astraljava> Okay, I'll use desktop, then. * micahg is busy with other things...DigiNotar and such <olbi> hello <olbi> yesterday I had one-conf error, but it was while I was using Ubuntu Software Center <charlie-tca> olbi: known bug <charlie-tca> a fix is in progress <GridCube> yay! if i put the wrong password on lightdm it just stays like that all in purple <charlie-tca> you get purple? <GridCube> oh... rite it was just taking a lot of time <GridCube> pink/purple <charlie-tca> mine are blue or pink * charlie-tca is sure it is definitely pink, no mistaking it for purple <GridCube> weeell pink <charlie-tca> might depend on your monitor, too <astraljava> ubiquity crashing for others on desktop installs? <astraljava> Keeps on installing, though. <astraljava> Still the extra ; in the plymouth stuff, it seems. <astraljava> Oh the pink! The pink! <GridCube> not a single crash, no bluetooth yet, rebooting works, update works, pidgin works(?) <GridCube> sheet updated <astraljava> Oh, this was while installing. <astraljava> Apparently, when you think about it, you don't use ubiquity at other times. ;p <GridCube> not knowing what ubiquity is i concur <astraljava> It's the piece that does the live installer stuff. <GridCube> oh <GridCube> :) then you dont need it later XD <astraljava> Yep. :) <astraljava> Oops. No divider for installing alongside of an existing system. <charlie-tca> It has a minimum space requirement, if the existing partition is smaller than the minimum, it won't let you do it. <charlie-tca> Although, you may still be able to do a manual partitioning and install <astraljava> charlie-tca: Oh? That's not the auto-resize thingie? <charlie-tca> yup <charlie-tca> If the minimum size of the existing partition is too small, autosize will not work <charlie-tca> sounds like a bug <astraljava> It's an 80GB hard disk with only one entire-disk installation prior to this. <astraljava> Uh oh. Now ubiquity crashed on me again, and when I tried to report the problem, I was notified I have an obsolete version of upstart. <astraljava> Possibly the issue I'm seeing is collateral? <astraljava> LP bug 841365 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 841365 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "No divider for space allocation in Xubuntu oneiric "alongside" installation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/841365 <charlie-tca> Thanks <astraljava> Am I using the wrong sheet for tracking the testing? I'm not seeing GridCube's report for today. <astraljava> http://tinyurl.com/3l9knhm <astraljava> Hmm... what's this pad.lv thingie? <astraljava> Coolness. <knome> hey astraljava <astraljava> Moikka Pasi. :) <knome> woo, finnish <knome> :P * knome needs to choose a new ringtone since the nokia tune is embarrassing <astraljava> A nokia whatever is embarrassing these days. :) <knome> heh <knome> as long as i can call and send sms's... <astraljava> ...you could be using any friggin' phone. Exactly. :D <knome> true too <knome> but if i'd buy something else, that'd need to be android, and then i'd want a HTC, and if i'd buy a HTC, then it would need to be some model that is >400e <knome> buying a very basic nokia is cheaper than that <astraljava> Yep, and I must admit, in some cases, I'm pretty disappointed with the androids. <knome> yep, that is one of the most biggest things that's stopping me from buying an android <astraljava> And if I'm truly honest, I'd have wanted the N9, had it had a physical qwerty. <knome> heh <knome> oh, i have one more requirement for a phone <knome> it must not be iphone <astraljava> ^5 <knome> comparing to that, nokia is fine <knome> i have 2730 classic <knome> and even that is a bit too "modern" for me, ironically <astraljava> I like to play with them, but admittedly I hardly ever utilize their full potential. <charlie-tca> astraljava: pad.lv is a shortcut to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/??? <charlie-tca> instead, you can use http://pad.lv/??? <charlie-tca> upstart out of date should not affect the partitioner <astraljava> charlie-tca: Yup, found out about it, and updated the sheet as well. <astraljava> charlie-tca: Well, mentioned it in there anyhow. If I have time in the coming days, I'll look into the logs more deeply. <charlie-tca> okay <micahg> hi charlie-tca <charlie-tca> Hello, micahg <micahg> mr_pouit: I'm a little busy this week, but will try to get some of the build hardening just done in Debian into
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