#ubuntu-us-ca 2011-03-01 <iheartubuntu> nickels have reached 7.5 cents a piece (up from 7.3 a week or so ago) thats a 3% increase <iheartubuntu> investing in nickels pays better than a savings acct <iheartubuntu> >:o <pleia2> does investing mean you collect a lot of nickels? <iheartubuntu> more or less ;) <pleia2> hehe <iheartubuntu> i bought YOKU stock a week ago.. its up 17% (the chinese youtube) <iheartubuntu> pre 1982 pennies are worth 3 cents <iheartubuntu> but, my tire on my wheel barrow broke <nhaines> It should be noted that the destruction of US currency is a federal offense. <nhaines> And is handled by the US Secret Service! :D <iheartubuntu> :) <iheartubuntu> the value of the dollar has dropped something like 97% since the federal reserve was enacted <iheartubuntu> yikes <iheartubuntu> i figure theres more chinese people doing YOKU than there are americans doing youtube (like what 14x more?) how can they not make ad money <iheartubuntu> a youku search on "ubuntu"... http://www.soku.com/search_video/q_ubuntu <iheartubuntu> cute KFC ads before the videos <iheartubuntu> i would have never thought to go to KFC for breakfast <iheartubuntu> some interesting comments on the videos... "gorgeous", "so great", "aahhhh my eyes" and they are also talking about the dock bar wether its cairo dock or docky <iheartubuntu> on a compiz video someone commented "this is how the penguins boost their followers". it makes me feel like im a penguin now! flap flap! <aaditya> Am I the only one not able to access fsf.org? <jtatum> yep. you're the only one. <jtatum> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/fsf.org <aaditya> "It's just you. http://fsf.org is up." <aaditya> lol. I know the site is back up. <aaditya> thanks j. <iheartubuntu_> sorry if you received two email with pics. i misspelled yur name pleia2 <pleia2> iheartubuntu_: only received one, thanks :) I'll get them up in a bit <iheartubuntu_> i must say, it was probably easier telling people to go to IRC #ubuntu-california than it is #ubuntu-us-ca. * iheartubuntu_ misses the old irc <DarkwingDuck> I believe ubuntu-california forwards here still <pleia2> yeah, it does <iheartubuntu_> oh thats good <iheartubuntu_> several people told me they liked the <iheartubuntu_> "reasons to love ubuntu" poster http://spreadubuntu.org/files/poster-01.png <iheartubuntu_> in fact one guy wanted to take ours home to his daughter! <DarkwingDuck> I couldn't believe the positive responce I got to Kubuntu <pleia2> iheartubuntu_: uploaded! http://www.flickr.com/photos/ubuntu-us-ca/sets/72157626171093734/ <iheartubuntu> anyone having a prob with virtualbox website? i wonder if this uni is blocking it for some reason <jtatum> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.virtualbox.org <iheartubuntu> its just me <iheartubuntu> :( <iheartubuntu> thanks * iheartubuntu adds the 50,001th website to his arsenal <jledbetter> lol <iheartubuntu> i feel like batman, but with so many weapons i cant begin to remember them all <iheartubuntu> im afraid freenode has become part of my memory access now, taking over googles spot <iheartubuntu> hmmmm. even google cache of VB is not coming up <iheartubuntu> all other sites work fine for me <iheartubuntu> how are you jledbetter - sorry we missed you at scale <jledbetter> great, iheartubuntu. And you? Hopefully next scale :) <iheartubuntu> seidos - if you are up to doing an ubuntu hour, you should agree to the code of conduct http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct <iheartubuntu> im really energized from scale <pleia2> :D <pleia2> just sent in my application for UDS sponsorship <iheartubuntu> good luck pleia2 ! <DarkwingDuck> I'm about it. <DarkwingDuck> it/to <iheartubuntu> akgraner wrote a nice piece about ubuntu hours here http://www.ubuntu-user.com/Online/Blogs/Amber-Graner-You-in-Ubuntu/Ubuntu-Hour-Coffee-Company-Ubuntu-and-You <jledbetter> pleia2, Woo hoo! <iheartubuntu> so is the palo alto ubuntu hour at a beer hall? * iheartubuntu heart skips a beat <iheartubuntu> my time here has finished. i must hop aboard my pony and ride into the cold darkness (im getting in my car and driving home in a nicely heated car) <pleia2> night, iheartubuntu :) <iheartubuntu> night lyz, night all (studying for my UCP again finally) <Torikun2> Yo <Torikun2> Gidget kitchen is ofering a Amazon Ec2 public instance. It is free until October. After that, everyone shares the cost which will make it affodable for many people. Let me know if your interested. You get http, ssh, mysql, webmail, ftp, and whatever. <seidos> i should've gave that 4 year old girl a ton of meerkat stickers to give to her friends at school <seidos> oh wait, she probably wasn't in school yet <seidos> i need to just talk in my head now <nhaines> Yay, I'm running natty on my laptop computer. <seidos> what's going on nhaines? <iheartubuntu> pleia2 - does the Ubuntu Women project have any artwork I could put up on my website? <iheartubuntu> i want to link up to thep roject <pleia2> iheartubuntu: yep http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Resources <iheartubuntu> great, thank you. i will be adding it in a prominent place <pleia2> thanks :) <iheartubuntu> i would want to link to http://ubuntu-women.com/ correct? not the launchpad page <pleia2> yeah <MarkDude> Pics from Scale- http://www.flickr.com/photos/99725460@N00/sets/72157626170454478/ <MarkDude> Allison rocks! <iheartubuntu> i am planning to place an order from the ubuntu shop if anyone is interested. http://shop.canonical.com/ Here is how the shipping prices tend to go. 1 item ordered - $9to$14 depending on whats ordered. 5 items ordered the shipping price drops to about $7 per piece. and 10+ items ordered shipping drops to about $5 each <pleia2> ah, nice <iheartubuntu> i will order in a week or two, so start checking items now. theres some good "swag" in the sale section, not to mention a meerkat shirt, and the backpacks, and who wouldnt want a 4GB USB key?? <iheartubuntu> i will ship items out promptly when the box arrives, but to save myself money i will ship items to each of you the cheapest USPS method (rickshaw if i have to!) <iheartubuntu> if the item is big and bulky, say a backpack, i'll have to charge you exact shipping method to you (might be cheaper to buy the item yourself then) <iheartubuntu> but most stuff like shirts, stickers, mice, etc are going to only be a couple bucks so i wont worry about it <iheartubuntu> if you plan to order 100 or 200 CDs, shipping is free so i wont add these to this order, you can order them yourselves. i wouldnt want to slow down the entire order with a mass quantity CD order <iheartubuntu> if you are thinking of getting an Ubuntu Hour going, already have an Ubuntu Hour going, speak at LUGs, or whatever... make yourself look smarter with official Ubuntu gear :) <iheartubuntu> pleia2 - i can post this to the mailing list if you want <iheartubuntu> if all goes well this time around and everyone is happy with things, I would be willing to do a quarterly shipment. <iheartubuntu> (california members only) <pleia2> iheartubuntu: yeah, go for it <iheartubuntu> k #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-03-02 <initself> the party is clearly here <HPV> if i had a job paying more than $10/hr i would spend the money to hire another person to work on ubuntu <seidos> someone tell sabdfl <seidos> or Jane Silber <seidos> compassion -> buddha <seidos> 1 xor 0? <seidos> 1 <ishimeru> Good morning everyone <iheartubuntu> anyone know if it is possible to change my email associated with my nickname after registering? <pleia2> iheartubuntu_: /msg nickserv help set email <iheartubuntu_> danke schon <nhaines> I think dankeschÃ¶n is one word. <kdub> sorta, germans have a thing against the space bar i guess <nhaines> kdub: if you want two words you can say "vielen Dank". :) <DarkwingDuck> Whoot <iheartubuntu> iwantothankyouforclearingthatuppen <DarkwingDuck> hehehe <DarkwingDuck> Kinda like "Ubuntu is african for 'I can't configure debian'" <nhaines> Well, "dankeschÃ¶n" is a special word, and it doesn't mean the same thing as "danke schÃ¶n" which doesn't make sense but be two unrelated words "thank" and "beautiful". <iheartubuntu> ouch :) <jamiedmattingly> kinda like spanish porque is why and por que is because <nhaines> jamiedmattingly: right. Same letters but three different words. :) <MarkDude> http://librivox.org/the-awful-german-language-by-mark-twain/ <MarkDude> Good podcast that describes how German language makes words up <nhaines> Sure, but "dankeschÃ¶n" isn't an example of one of those. :) <MarkDude> Even funnier- it is read by a German person, you hear him trying not to laugh as he says stuff <nhaines> Is it a podcast or is it just a reading of Mark Twain's essay? <MarkDude> The language permits making up words that can be a paragraph long <MarkDude> podcast of his essay <MarkDude> and has link to written form <nhaines> You keep on using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means. <nhaines> But that essay is fictional. :) <MarkDude> Of course you are correct nhaines - most of what Twain did had a *wink* to it <MarkDude> His *fiction* can have more truth to it- than most non-fiction <MarkDude> BTW, Ubuntu means: <MarkDude> My wireless cards work :D <nhaines> I really threw pleia2 off with that one. :) <MarkDude> nhaines, that quote is so good- the other Distro folks I told that - hella laughed <MarkDude> and then started talking about the work they were having to do with Broadcom - to get it to work <nhaines> We had too many people for me to quip like that each time unfortunately. I'll have to pull stills from the archive video to get a count. <pleia2> MarkDude: the canonical version of the joke is "Ubuntu is an ancient african word, meaning "I can't configure Debian"" but there are about a zillion versions of it now <nhaines> We have attendance counts for all of the sessions except the introductions. <MarkDude> pleia2, I know :D that was where I 1st heard it I think <pleia2> ah :) <MarkDude> Sitting in a room installing Fedora- the truth that nhaines said- folks agreed <MarkDude> The oh crap - my install is not working. If I really want it to work, I need install Ubuntu- even the backhanded compliments acknowledge how GREAT Ubuntu is :) <iheartubuntu> i like spelling german numbers like 2732 becomes something like: zweitausendsiebeneinhundertzweiunddreissig <nhaines> That's just efficient, that's all. :) <nhaines> Anyway, I wouldn't call my quip a "truth", it was just a joke that relied on the audience knowing the meaning and origin of the word "ubuntu". <MarkDude> nhaines, Um it is a truth <MarkDude> the other side of the proprietary debate- is the it just works <MarkDude> My work with other Distros has proven that Broadcom can equal 2+ hours of my life to add to Fedora <MarkDude> or sometimes more <MarkDude> Similar to earlier Ubuntu installs involved me using additional wifi cards <nhaines> I've always just dumped the firmware in /lib/firmware and gone on with my life. :) <MarkDude> For some the early GK meeting wifi issues were met with 2 choices- add a 2nd card, or spend some time <MarkDude> Maybe Ubuntu folks may not see it as a truth, but folks from other Distros do, even if begrudgingly <iheartubuntu> nhaines - I was thinking about the coming release in April in regards to placing an Ubuntu Store shipment. I figure that the release is still almost two months off. Maybe some maverick stuff will go on sale, maybe it wont. I dont know. <iheartubuntu> I will still go ahead with this order for anyone interested and can tweak the quarterly shipments to different dates as I learn more to how Ubuntu runs sales and releases new items. <nhaines> iheartubuntu: it's a lot less important if you're splitting shipping costs. :) <nhaines> But yeah, shipping's a real killer. <iheartubuntu> do they sell markdude masks in the ubuntu store by any chance? <iheartubuntu> i wanna grab me one of those <pleia2> hah <MarkDude> iheartubuntu, no- maybe there are Doug Stanhope masks- I had a few folks say I remind them of him * iheartubuntu googles Doug Stanhope <iheartubuntu> oh yah <MarkDude> Not a deadringer or anything, but even I can see a bit of it <MarkDude> More so then when folks say Dave Grohl http://www.oyunlab.com/8-Music-resimleri/5025_Dave-Grohl_resimleri.html <MarkDude> Although when I put a pic of Dave as my profile pic on FB, only a few folks noticede * iheartubuntu has removed his personal FB page <MarkDude> Every time a person says that <MarkDude> all I hear is..... <MarkDude> I chose not to talk to the majority of folks under 25 - on *their* terms * MarkDude found out he was speaking at a conference- *via* FB <iheartubuntu> i just dont want to incriminate myself somehow :) <MarkDude> chat no-less <MarkDude> All sorts of business deals happen that way- some folks prefer to send that way- many opportunities can be lost this way <MarkDude> Dont post then. <MarkDude> *Consume.* <iheartubuntu> happen which way? <MarkDude> FB <iheartubuntu> serious? <MarkDude> 100% <iheartubuntu> i just sold my car on ebay <iheartubuntu> not fb <MarkDude> By that logic, we need not progress past newspaper classifieds <MarkDude> Since it can work <iheartubuntu> wait wait, are you now a Facebook spokesperson? ;) <iheartubuntu> i saw you shmoozing their booth! <iheartubuntu> didnt they scan your iris and take your dna before talking to them? <MarkDude> At least 1/3 maybe 1/4 of folks I know consider it almost rude not to send a message on FB * MarkDude is sure he can work for them, BUT, dont think I am saying that they ARE NOT evil- they are <MarkDude> FB is at the min- a TOOL <MarkDude> like paper, pen, etc <iheartubuntu> as is money * iheartubuntu has never been called a tool before <MarkDude> you can be an asshat, by using a typewriter to tell folks how cool you are or some dumb stuff <MarkDude> just because MOST folks choose to do stupid things with creative tools * kdub would say that facebook is more amoral with user's private information than evil <kdub> but i still use it :) <MarkDude> Beauty can still be created. The truths contained within should not be judged by the *base users* <iheartubuntu> i think that would be correct kdub <MarkDude> your nuance is mreo correct kdub <MarkDude> more <iheartubuntu> mr eo... i thought you were talking about MJ <MarkDude> iheartubuntu, to answer your earlier question- most of what most people do on FB is all about ego, IMHO. <pleia2> MarkDude: you need better fb friends :) * MarkDude got back in touch with his best friend from high school <pleia2> I see it as just a communication platform <MarkDude> pleia2, myh friends are awesome <pleia2> but egomaniacs? <pleia2> I guess you do have a lot of CMs as friends ;) <MarkDude> Just trying to extrapolate, what others see as so horrible about FB <pleia2> they tend to be very Out There <MarkDude> rofl <iheartubuntu> yah, i met up with most of my HS friends too. most of them have become bigger idiots than they already were <MarkDude> Thats funny because it is true <pleia2> iheartubuntu: lol <MarkDude> iheartubuntu, I agree. <MarkDude> But sorting through 100+ people is worth it for TRUE friends <MarkDude> and YES, if there was no FB, we would have got in touch other ways <MarkDude> pleia2, not as much my friends, but friends of friends <iheartubuntu> actually i think most of the people i got back in touch with were from grammar school <iheartubuntu> 8 years with them all <MarkDude> #1 thing I use FB for? <MarkDude> organizing events, picnics in REAL life <pleia2> I mostly use it to stay in touch with family, they fail at email and I hate phones <MarkDude> getting together with friends- maybe 1/2 of those prefer FB as way to do it <MarkDude> My Grandma like seeing pics of grandkids etc * iheartubuntu just got his first cellphone in 5 years <iheartubuntu> i dispose them <iheartubuntu> errr, despise them <iheartubuntu> both actually * MarkDude agrees there. <MarkDude> In my heart, I still resist the idea of the portable phone <MarkDude> It is a leash <MarkDude> And then I stop to think - would I resist the phone coming into my house early last century. Would I have viewed cars as scary compared to horses <iheartubuntu> i really enjoyed not having a phone <MarkDude> And when folks were living in caves, there had to a few of them scared about fire <MarkDude> iheartubuntu, me too <MarkDude> When I did was on jobsites, I would not take one <iheartubuntu> my goal with the phone now is to be more productive * iheartubuntu enjoys coin dozer and glow hockey 24/7 <iheartubuntu> well, that didnt work <MarkDude> I used to tell bosses - they would have to give the phone they were trying to hand me to someone else <iheartubuntu> just kidding, i dont have time for games <MarkDude> give it to an Apprentice, they can bring me the phone if it is important * MarkDude still cant believe I got away with that crap <MarkDude> iheartubuntu, you always have time to stop for a game <MarkDude> and to smell a rose <MarkDude> maybe not time for games, or roses :) * MarkDude was thinking the only thing that Charlie Sheen is missing right about now is mocking Anon? I mean all he needs to do is poke the bear. <MarkDude> I am having a hard time thinking he does not have writers in a basement coming up with this crap <MarkDude> I mean, I need to get work done. He needs to take a break I can get stuff done <iheartubuntu> haha markdude * MarkDude does not delight in downfall of others <MarkDude> UNLESS they are horrible people <MarkDude> He is there. * iheartubuntu made his companies brochure using Scribus :) looks sweet <MarkDude> Or this picture about uninstalling dictators http://imgur.com/gallery/HFFd1 <MarkDude> Scribus is a great program, very powerful <nhaines> ishimeru: good morning! <iheartubuntu> does anyone here have admin rights in the forums? im requesting a name change there so all of my acct info matches up <pleia2> I didn't thing that was even possible <pleia2> (the forum faq say they can't except in extreme cases) #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-03-03 <iheartubuntu> apparently it is being done in the resolution center in extreme cases (such as mine) :) <iheartubuntu> i hope they can fix it <iheartubuntu> i put out a request anyhow <m4gnus> hello everyone <iheartubuntu> hello m4gnus how are you? <m4gnus> im good thank you, yourself? <iheartubuntu> busy busy <The_Letter_M> Hello all <nUboon2Age> yo jtatum, are you available to do an Ubuntu Hour: Palo Alto @ Tandori Oven this Friday 7pm? <nUboon2Age> howdy The_Letter_M, whereabouts are you? <The_Letter_M> I'm still in Utah <The_Letter_M> how is everyone? <The_Letter_M> I'm originally from the East Bay though <nUboon2Age> does that mean you are moving back at some point The_Letter_M? <The_Letter_M> SOme Day <The_Letter_M> Anyone do a lot of Apache hosting? <pleia2> depends on what you mean by "a lot" <The_Letter_M> like maybe work at an ISP <The_Letter_M> I've been having people ask me to set up sites with stuff like Joomla, Magento, Wordpress, etc <The_Letter_M> and sometimes I run into permission issues <nUboon2Age> yo pleia2, are you available to do an Ubuntu Hour: Palo Alto @ Tandori Oven this Friday 7pm? <The_Letter_M> everything in /var/www/ is owned by root and sometimes I have to chmod 777 a file to make it work <The_Letter_M> I'm wondering if it's better to make a user called www with /var/www/ as their home and that user does all the website stuff <pleia2> nUboon2Age: no, sorry <The_Letter_M> OR <nUboon2Age> okay :-/ pleia2 <The_Letter_M> have a group called www and then add a regular user to that group <pleia2> The_Letter_M: yikes, you should never 777 a file to "make it work" <The_Letter_M> well I've been testing all this on a Vbox on my lappy <pleia2> yes, much better to create groups that users belong to :) <The_Letter_M> I'm trying to learn more before I roll out a live serrver <nUboon2Age> btw The_Letter_M, pleia2 is a sysadmin, so is a good one to get advice from on this topic <The_Letter_M> yeah <The_Letter_M> she's usually helpful <The_Letter_M> but yeah <The_Letter_M> I would chmod 755 a file and it would give me an error <pleia2> we have a few different setups for production, sometimes we use groups that everyone is part of either on the small scale (one group for a series of sites, all users for each site is added) <pleia2> or if we have one manager to all sites we'll create a "sites" user that has write access to everything, and then individual users for each site <The_Letter_M> ahh <pleia2> the keys to managing this are g+s and asking people to use a umask of 022 <pleia2> g+s makes files and directories inherit the properties of their parents (so new files end up being in the same group) and umask of 022 makes files you create writeable by you AND the group (default tends to be 002, read and writable by just you) <pleia2> oops, I mixed that up, you want 002, not 022 :) <pleia2> long day <The_Letter_M> lol <The_Letter_M> nUboon2Age where about are you from? <pleia2> another tip is if you need the webserver itself to write to it, you give www-data access to write to that specific thing, since www-data is the user apache uses <The_Letter_M> ahh <pleia2> but don't give www-data ability to write to everything, because then if someone compromises a script and start doing things with the www-data user they can make a real mess of things <The_Letter_M> is it possible to su as www-data and install that site with that UN and group? <The_Letter_M> oh <pleia2> much better to lose your whole uploads/ directory than your whole site :) <pleia2> ugh, my boyfriend has been sick with flu+fever for 2 days, and now I'm starting to feel not awesome <The_Letter_M> ouch <The_Letter_M> I've been fighting a cold since last Sunday <The_Letter_M> it sucks <pleia2> with my luck I'll get full sick just in time for the weekend <The_Letter_M> so can I add a user to the group www-data and be able to install a site with that user and also allow apache to write any changes it needs to? <The_Letter_M> Or should I leave www-data to apache only and create a seperate group? <The_Letter_M> What I'm looking at is a single box with only a single site <pleia2> I'd create a user to manipulate the files, and if apache really needs to write to them, put the files in the www-data group <The_Letter_M> ok <pleia2> so you'll end up with a file for example.com, owned by user example, in the group www-data, with permissions of 775 <The_Letter_M> that works <pleia2> but most files shouldn't need to be written to by apache, so most files should be 755 :) <The_Letter_M> that's a big help to know about the www-data group <pleia2> (this assumes files need execution bit, only folders really should) <pleia2> yeah, www-data is good <pleia2> I see a lot of people chmod 777 just so apache can write to them - I even see this in official instructions for installing webapps! <pleia2> they make my sysadmin heart break! <The_Letter_M> lol <The_Letter_M> yeah <The_Letter_M> in the Joomla and Magento stuff they say to do that and then change it to 755 after the install <pleia2> yeah <The_Letter_M> but then it doesn't work after I change it to 755 <pleia2> I saw one that did that, and then at the end of the installer checked to see if it was still 777 and yelled at you if it was, that's a slightly lesser sin ;) <The_Letter_M> so I thought perhaps I should have a user with /var/www/ as it's home <The_Letter_M> but I thought even that sounds risky <pleia2> I usually set up /var/www/example.com/ as a home <pleia2> (actually /srv/www is the proper convention debian-wise, but it's not widely adopted) <The_Letter_M> that works <pleia2> in side /var/www/example.com/ I'll have an "htdocs/" which is the document root, and then a symlink to /var/logs/apache2/example.com as "logs" <pleia2> and then perhaps a cgi-bin/ or whatever else I don't want in the docroot (like .htpasswd files) * pleia2 needs to clean up the /var/www/ on her server, very messy <nhaines> pleia2: you're catchong SCaLE flu? <pleia2> nhaines: my boyfriend has it, I appear to have some symptoms :( <pleia2> this morning his fever was around 101 and he's all "I hate Linux!" <pleia2> (because it's a linux conference flu) <nhaines> That's just the contagion talking. <pleia2> he went into work this afternoon for a few hours once it got down to 99 because there were some meetings he "couldn't miss" but he's on his way home now <pleia2> my cr-48 got an update and now it's harder to see pink highlights on my terminal <pleia2> I think the font changed too <The_Letter_M> is that the Google Netbook? <The_Letter_M> the CR48? <pleia2> notebook, yeah <The_Letter_M> Cool <The_Letter_M> can you access the VTs on it? <pleia2> they are actually just full screen xterms, but they feel similar to VTs <The_Letter_M> since it's supposed to be based on Linux <The_Letter_M> oh <pleia2> it's linux, I put some of the specs here: http://princessleia.com/txt/cr48.txt <The_Letter_M> Yeah <The_Letter_M> I've read about them <The_Letter_M> I applied with Google forr one too <The_Letter_M> but haven't heard back at all <pleia2> yeah, they just show up on your doorstep if they decide to send you one <The_Letter_M> oh <The_Letter_M> lol <The_Letter_M> Doesn't your BF work for Google though? <pleia2> the boxes are unmarked too "well, it's not ticking, I suppose I can open this..." <pleia2> yeah, but he didn't know I applied for one <The_Letter_M> lol <The_Letter_M> oh <seidos> what's going on?! <seidos> had a fever of 102.6 yesterday. still a little sick <seidos> fairy doctor? <seidos> jono_: are there any canonical employees in #ubuntu-hardened? <seidos> are there any ubuntu employees <trollface> <seidos> nhaines: soup for breakfast + 1 serrano <seidos> what is the command to display the topic of a channel? <seidos> isn't it /topic #channel ? <seidos> u got my back? <jledbetter> I hope you feel better soon. <seidos> i got banned from #ubuntu-hardened \o/ <seidos> :| <seidos> i tried to tell them i was an elf, but they wouldn't listen <seidos> or they didn't care :( <jamiedmattingly> did you show them your pointy ears seidos or your tiny feet? lol <nhaines> seidos: soo... still fever? <seidos> nhaines: negative <seidos> nhaines: drinking lemon juice, cooked <nhaines> I always make sure my lemon juice is thoroughly cooked before human consumption. * nhaines is impatient for Ubuntu natty narwhal Alpha 3. <nhaines> Tusking 3? <nhaines> Yay, alpha 3! http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha3 <seidos> nhaines: what's going on? <seidos> nhaines: journalist xor teacher? <erichammond> /join #ubuntu-classroom <erichammond> argh. Invisible spaces. <nhaines> The topic recently came up again whether or not the abbreviation "LoCo Team" (as in "Local Community Team") is derrogatory or offensive in Spanish-speaking communities. <nhaines> I think it's probably worth mentioning that whenever I was at a speaking event and someone read my badge "Ubuntu California LoCo Team" and asked what "LoCo" meant, I always explained "We're crazy about Ubuntu," which was always met with a smile or laugh. <nhaines> The followup explanation, "It's short for 'local community team'" always seemed to suffice and was usually a good hook for talking about advocacy opportunities. <nhaines> Generally, a cheerful, good-natured response acts to disarm any confusion or misconceptions and shows you to be friendly and approachable. It's a good way to begin speaking with a member of the public. <seidos> hey, do you know the triple gem? <jamiedmattingly> triple gem?? * iheartubuntu hello my name is _____ and im loco about ubuntu and im a user also. <iheartubuntu> i can see how thats a problem :) <iheartubuntu> thank you jledbetter :) <seidos> what's going on?! <seidos> ulug <seidos> i am not loco! <seidos> loco = suicidal <seidos> like buddhist monks that get eaten by tigers <seidos> or he-man <iheartubuntu> seidos - r u on the ubuntu forums by any chance (well, probably not by chance) <nhaines> Grr, the last update to Firefox on natty enables Global Menu support but it hasn't builded yet. <seidos> dang it, he left before i had a chance to reply <seidos> i only use recommended packages <seidos> security <seidos> right view, right intention, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, right concentration <iheartubuntu> DarkwingDuck is there a difference between Kubuntu's Desktop CD and Desktop DVD images? <seidos> iheartubuntu: i am meditatingfrog on forums. haven't been inawhile <seidos> forums are a hot mess to me <seidos> hot mess = hell <seidos> my house is bad enough <iheartubuntu> namaste <seidos> gasho <seidos> there is a channel #love :) <iheartubuntu> on freenode? <seidos> 1 = yes <seidos> i think i was just silenced in #ubuntu-beginners too <nhaines> Where else have you been silenced? <seidos> nhaines: are we friends? <seidos> i am your friend, are you my friend? <seidos> paranoia... <iheartubuntu> Paranoia is a thought process thought[by whom?] to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs concerning a perceived threat towards oneself. Historically, this characterization was used to describe any delusional state. <seidos> ah, then cautionary <seidos> i want the future to be awesome <seidos> not putrid <seidos> where do bug triagers go when they die? <iheartubuntu> is putrid a colour? it sounds like a colour. <seidos> foul? <iheartubuntu> just head over to the kubuntu triagers, that will keep you busy ;) <seidos> foul then, not putrid <seidos> not putrid = !putrid <seidos> i have my own bugs to triage <seidos> i don't use kubuntu, it isn't the default <iheartubuntu> you sound like a doctor <seidos> take your medicine <seidos> i am drinking lemon juice, made in a blender <seidos> pure <seidos> 100% <seidos> recipe is: put cut up lemons in microwave for 3min, then put in blender, add water until juicy. 100% lemon juice. <seidos> the secret to alochol is: taste something crappy. then act stupid. <iheartubuntu> not just squeezed lemons? im curious what benefits the rind gives <iheartubuntu> or is that ruffage <iheartubuntu> dont eat the seeds. a tree will grow inside of you <iheartubuntu> seidos -> the future is already awesome. we are on this big mass hurling thousands of miles an hour, circling a sun, circling a galaxy, with billions of planets and galaxies around us. there are butterflies, bees, trees, mammals, humans, you name it on our own mass. you cant get much more awesome than that! <seidos> iheartubuntu: cats and dogs living together, human sacrifice, mass hysteria! <iheartubuntu> i digress <seidos> it's from the ghostbusters movie <seidos> i should probably be at a monastery focusing on escape or something <seidos> or a church #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-03-04 <iheartubuntu> very strange why a uni would block the virtualbox website <iheartubuntu> hello markdude, how are ya <MarkDude> great <MarkDude> How are things with you iheartubuntu ? <iheartubuntu> working on website <iheartubuntu> was trying to reach the virtualbox website... wont connect here at a uni * MarkDude has some of the gooseberry seeds already starting <MarkDude> they are slow - so the sooner the better. I plan to have at least 10 of them in my backyard. <iheartubuntu> thats awesome! <iheartubuntu> where did you originally get them? on a trip someplace? <MarkDude> From a friend that has all sorts of weird heirloom stuff <MarkDude> they are from South America to start I guess * pleia2 crawled out of flu coma to send email re: SF ubuntu hour & debian meeting next week, retreats now <iheartubuntu> yikes. i have been feeling under the weather since tuesday <iheartubuntu> i was great, then boom, right around lunch time it felt like someone tied chains to me <iheartubuntu> hope u get better pleia2 <jledbetter> Ok... what in the world. seidos, pleia2 and... It's like ubuflu! but scaleflu? <MarkDude> jledbetter, Gareth was calling it the Scale plague <MarkDude> and he was an organizer <jledbetter> Why'd he put that on the agenda? Goodness ;) <m4gnus> sorry folks, i may have been part of that issue... <m4gnus> i had a cold going into the expo <m4gnus> tried using my purell as much as i could :\ <jledbetter> What's that called? Patient 0? <m4gnus> yarp <m4gnus> but to my defense it was only a cold, i saw a guy that looked pretty pale >.> <jledbetter> Or just something going around. Few bugs at my office too. Pair programming + something going around == unfun ;) <iheartubuntu> m4gnus - did we meet? <iheartubuntu> i have scaleflu! yuk! <jledbetter> Quarantine time! ;) <m4gnus> iheartubuntu, maybe? what's your name? <iheartubuntu> i gave scaleflu to my dad!!! <jledbetter> Haha <iheartubuntu> i was the guy with the chocolate donuts. i know it <m4gnus> oh then no... <m4gnus> i would definitely remember donuts <m4gnus> i did get to meet pleia2 and DarkwingDuck <m4gnus> :) <m4gnus> so sorry to them if they got a cold :( <jledbetter> iheartubuntu, Are you nocal or socal? <m4gnus> ok serious question: is it really nerdy to get star struck from meeting them? <jledbetter> They're good peeps. <m4gnus> they are, they are <MarkDude> m4gnus, - meeting some of these folks in person IS really cool <MarkDude> Anyone up for going to hear some music in SF tomorrow night? <nUboon2Age> jt <MarkDude> up for some heavy metal nUboon2Age ? <nUboon2Age> jtatum_: are you able to make it to the Ubuntu Hour Palo Alto tomorrow night (Tandori Oven on California Ave)? aaditya, crashsystems ? <nUboon2Age> MarkDude: heavy metal? <nUboon2Age> jledbetter: ^ <MarkDude> nUboon2Age, tomorrow is the Severed Fifth show in SF <MarkDude> Kinda like an Ubuntu hour- since jono_ is involved, but there are guitars, and drums, as well as yelling and a moshpit- so that part is different <jono_> MarkDude, :-) <jono_> folks, come and check out the show :-) <MarkDude> aaditya, might make it <MarkDude> no word on grantbow yet <jono_> cool :-) <MarkDude> vsayer, you like loud music? <vsayer> love it <nUboon2Age> oh sounds like fun MarkDude and jono_, but i'm soooooo exhuasted i don't think i could make the train trip that would entail. Sometime soon though. :-) <nUboon2Age> okay, i have yet to hear back from jtatum_ so i hope he'll let me know. if he's not going to come i may postpone. <nUboon2Age> gotta run... <nUboon2Age> i'll let my upgrade finish before shutting down... <MarkDude> vsayer, There is a show in SF tomorrow at Club Cocomo <MarkDude> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=174876099219378 <flickeringlamp> can someone test my webserver for me? <flickeringlamp> i think it's been hacked <flickeringlamp> it's http://fictionalphilosophy.org/journal.html <flickeringlamp> or /images <flickeringlamp> i can't even browse to /images <flickeringlamp> anybody awake? <flickeringlamp> ... <jyo> Can't connect. <flickeringlamp> do you get this bogus "XML Parsing error message"? <jyo> Nope. Address resolves but can't connect. <jyo> Can't ping it either. <MarkDude> DarkwingDuck, I know you are busy, but I figured I would see if you want anything to do with the creation of the ML for the Socal geeknics <DarkwingDuck> Garg. <DarkwingDuck> When MarkDude comes back could someone ping me? <iheartubuntu> np <iheartubuntu> MarkDude DarkwingDuck is looking for you <MarkDude> Ty iheartubuntu <MarkDude> I have a list of emails of folks tht are interested in geeknics <MarkDude> And would rather have DD help set it up than a 3rd party <iheartubuntu> what exactly is a geeknic <MarkDude> picnic + geeks <MarkDude> All of those events we had up here with food :) <MarkDude> http://picasaweb.google.com/tuxwingsgroup/Geeknic#5536688044753202738 <DarkwingDuck> MarkDude: ping <MarkDude> Hey there terror that flaps in the night <DarkwingDuck> MarkDude: david.wonderly@kubuntu <MarkDude> I have someone willing to set up a mailing list <MarkDude> I would rather we figure out our own <MarkDude> ]/me also knows you are hella busy <DarkwingDuck> Okay, I'm going to be in and out. I can either convo via GTalk (david.wonderly@gmail) ormy email. I'm doing a furneral thing this weekend. <MarkDude> Gidget Kitchen has the ability to do it, but thinks SoCal would like its own <MarkDude> NP <DarkwingDuck> I would like to have our own... <MarkDude> So talking to you about this is cool? <DarkwingDuck> Oh yes! <MarkDude> Just dont want to waste time <MarkDude> Good deal <MarkDude> I will email and attach a few to start it off <DarkwingDuck> Okay sweet <MarkDude> GK will post the start dialog <DarkwingDuck> MarkDude: you have GTalk? <MarkDude> yes <MarkDude> well did * MarkDude is on 3rd string laptop <DarkwingDuck> :) Don't use it? <MarkDude> Long story <MarkDude> I just want us to have some notes to document the start of this * MarkDude likes doing things TOSW <MarkDude> http://www.theopensourceway.org/wiki/Main_Page <MarkDude> We can do chat- and take relevant notes- the list should be typed up next week <MarkDude> Next time having folks TYPE stuff in might save time- well you live and learn <phoenix3> jtatum: i'm thinking i'll postpone the Ubuntu Hour: Palo Alto to another date. #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-03-05 <phoenix3> I'm moving the Ubuntu Hour: Palo Alto that was going to be tonight to the 25th at 6pm Tandoori Oven on Ca. Ave. jtatum, crashsystems, crashsystems1, aaditya_, jledbetter, pleia2, outofjungle, Yasumoto_ <phoenix3> (Fri night) <jledbetter> Hm <m4gnus> oh frak...i just did something goofy on my CR-48 <m4gnus> story time! so i setup 2-step verification on my google account... <m4gnus> and decided to assign my cr-48 an application password <m4gnus> dummy me forgot i have to keep entering it in everytime i wanna use the cr-48 <m4gnus> but i didnt memorize the password google gave me <m4gnus> so no it tells me to plug in the old password if i want to log back in since "my password changed" <pleia2> m4gnus: doh <pleia2> I'd never even looked into 2 step verification, weird <m4gnus> i did it blindly <m4gnus> that's what i get for playing with 3 OSs at the same time <pleia2> heh :) <pleia2> so much for my fever going away, I hate being sick * pleia2 mope mope <akk> pleia2: You too? I've had a fever for 3 days. :( <akk> The SCALE plague. <pleia2> yeah, my boyfriend had it tues-thurs, I got sick yesterday <pleia2> I don't usually run fevers, but this one got me <akk> Same here -- I haven't had a fever in years. <akk> This one just doesn't seem to want to go away. <pleia2> yeah :\ <MarkDude> Who has plans to go to the Maker Fair in May http://makerfaire.com/bayarea/2011/callformakers/ * MarkDude has a couple of extra tickets for it$25 face value for free <aaditya_> I wasn't aware about tonight's ubuntu hour. <MarkDude> Well the point is moot <MarkDude> :) <aaditya_> s/about/of/ <iheartubuntu> time to hit the hay here , but ive totally redesigned my website. lemme know if ya'll like i (or not)t... http://iheartubuntu.com/ and any recommendations to make it better! ty <iheartubuntu> markdude ping * iheartubuntu is officially hooked on @twitter <pleia2> iheartubuntu: not sure how I feel about the trend to have giant images at the top of websites, but otherwise I like the new design, very clean :) <iheartubuntu> ty :) we'll see how it goes. its going to be ever changing and evolving <iheartubuntu> site doesnt render well in midori, might have to fix some font sizes <metta> i'm on empathy, not irc <iheartubuntu> how u like it? <iheartubuntu> i use pidgin for my irc since i have a bunch of other contacts in pidgin. i would do xchat but i just dont want too many programs open. no clutter <iheartubuntu> either that or im lazy <iheartubuntu> metta, whats your last name? content? <metta> iheartubuntu: my lastname? content? * iheartubuntu wonders if anyone will get it <metta> i gotta' use empathy. <iheartubuntu> whats your meta tag <iheartubuntu> why do you have to? <metta> metta = loving kindness in the Pali language <iheartubuntu> do you like it <metta> because i <3 ubuntu <metta> yeah, it isn't bad <iheartubuntu> do you have empathy for empathy? <metta> it's multiprotocol <metta> i want to try out the voip stuff <metta> haha, i have empathy for ubuntu developers <iheartubuntu> does icq handle voice/video yet in empathy? <metta> i don't know, i don't use the icq protocol <metta> haven't used it in years <metta> iheartubuntu: how are you and the mrs.? <metta> i triaged a bunch of my own bugs. there was stuff filed against 9.10 that never got resolved. so if it ain't LTS or STS, then it's nothing <metta> i'm not going to use docky unless it becomes a default package <iheartubuntu> shes at school and im doing dishes! <iheartubuntu> its such a beautiful day here in SoCal <pleia2> it's a bit cloudy here, but I am staying indoors anyway so it's probably for the best :) <iheartubuntu> my throat hurts real bad when i swallow <pleia2> fortunately I managed to avoid the sore throat * pleia2 knocks on wood <iheartubuntu> i think i might head to santa barbara tomorrow. so nice there <iheartubuntu> san diego is nice too <iheartubuntu> 75 degrees <pleia2> nice <akk> It's nice in San Jose, though starting to cloud up now. <akk> I got the sore throat bigtime, but it only lasted 2 days, not as long as the fever. <metta> wait, so i have the flu like you guys? <metta> so someone at SCaLE must've had it <akk> I don't think it's flu -- at least, I got a flu shot a couple weeks before SCALE. <iheartubuntu> akk i think i met you with my eyes :) im too shy most time to introduce myself <iheartubuntu> i pretty much deduced who you were with your name tag <metta> errrr...hmmm <akk> iheartubuntu: Yeah, I wondered if we'd crossed paths. <metta> how can i put this lightly. i may have made a strain of hpv that is air born. <metta> and spread williamsmith@example.net. <metta> witch doctors <iheartubuntu> so you are a carrier <akk> All this sharing and openness really shouldn't extend as far as viruses, IMO. There are limits. <iheartubuntu> haha * iheartubuntu is overdosing on Vit. C <iheartubuntu> just posted a bunch of nice pics on my house blog <metta> 50% of women are <metta> according to wikipedia this is estimated to reach 80% <metta> not sure when though it says "by age 50" <metta> which makes no sense <iheartubuntu> markdude should like the cabbage photo <iheartubuntu> metta, temp name change? <iheartubuntu> markdude i sent you some contact info in an IM not sure if you got it <metta> why wouldn't we want to share information about something as important as our physical well being? <metta> my fingers feel weird <metta> it's all fun and games until someone gets hurt <akk> Sharing information about it is all very well, it's sharing the actual viruses I object to. <metta> iheartubuntu: yeah, sure * iheartubuntu wishes he had a better digital camera <metta> akk: agreed. if i shared a virus it was unintentional. i am actually quite clean. but the virus may have stayed in my throat. i'm not sure. <metta> can viruses ever be good? <metta> nanotechnological entities...creative destruction. <metta> go outside <metta> it's good for you <metta> i have been going outside regularly <metta> and sitting in lotus under a tree <metta> and practicing breath experiencing as described here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/575363/ <metta> MarkDude: http://paste.ubuntu.com/575363/ <iheartubuntu> baseball season just around the corner. used to be a Reds fan <iheartubuntu> switched to soccer :) <iheartubuntu> anyone think this would make a good wallpaper? http://tinyurl.com/4m8hvjf <iheartubuntu> i [picked up a suse disc at scale and cant find it.... must have tossed it! <metta> hmmm maybe an Angels fan <metta> iheartubuntu: yeah sure on the wallpaper <metta> Galaxy! <metta> \o/ <metta> that's a cool name for a soccer team <iheartubuntu> because of all the "stars" in hollyweird <metta> haha <iheartubuntu> it will be a good game <metta> i want to play mario galaxy <iheartubuntu> soccer goes good with a beer <metta> does csula have a premed program? <iheartubuntu> is it avail on linux? <iheartubuntu> no idea <metta> i don't drink beer. beer is bad. <metta> i have to drink lemon juice <metta> because i am diseased <iheartubuntu> installed mint williamsmith@example.net. no desktop icons :\ <iheartubuntu> offtopic! can anyone recommend a good wood cleaner/shine for a really old hardwood floor? <iheartubuntu> 3 busted laptops... anyone good at troubleshooting them? two of them have nothing coming up on the screen (think motherboard is shot on one) and last one has the center pin for the power plug busted :( <metta> can anyone else access the amd64 torrents here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.04.2/ <metta> iheartubuntu: the ground pin? <iheartubuntu> desktop version? <iheartubuntu> alt version? <metta> iheartubuntu: desktop and server <metta> i want to torrent 64bit. <iheartubuntu> yah works fine <iheartubuntu> it will be done in 10 min <metta> restarting firefox fixed it <metta> weird <metta> wall-e * iheartubuntu opens a 500ml Baltika #3 - life is good <metta> i should try making a 64 bit 10.10 live usb <metta> iheartubuntu: pour some on the curb for me <metta> context. hmmm * iheartubuntu is struggling to find anything good to eat. resorting to hillshire farm lil smokies, olives and candy corn <metta> i wonder if my usb drive is on its last circuit <metta> worms eat poop <metta> does anyone know shuttleworth's email? i don't see it on his wiki or his launchpad page <pleia2> williamsmith@example.net <metta> great, now i have to formulate an email which he might remotely be interested in reading or clicking on <metta> thanks pleia2 <metta> i am still literally wearing a fire chief party hat <iheartubuntu> i think you can do that metta * iheartubuntu wife is renewed in uni honor roll society. opposites do attract :) * metta laughs and cries #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-03-06 <metta> running 10.10 64bit now <metta> santa monica would also be a good place for SCaLE akk <akk> Santa Monica would give a great place to wander around, go to lunch etc! <akk> Parking is kind of tough, though, isn't it? * akk sings Christine Lavin's "Santa Monica Pier" <metta> akk: yeah, definitely worse than pasadena, but it's close to the beach and everything. the parking is better than LAX right now is, though. and...the beach! \o/ <MarkDude> metta, that smog of being near the airport is not replaceable <metta> MarkDude: haha * metta chokes and dies <akk> The smog is terrible near LAX -- and worse in the interminable amount of time you have to spend in the Hilton garage (cough, cough). <metta> hey MarkDude are you sick by chance? i hear people got sick after SCaLE <metta> akk: i parked across the street, not in the garage. there was plenty of free parking. <akk> FREE parking? I wish somebody had told me about that secret. <metta> well, you have to walk about two blocks <metta> some people would rather pay $40 or $20 or whatever it cost <metta> i saved the money and got a homeless dude a room for the night <akk> yeah, mom probably wouldn't have wanted to walk 2 blocks, at least on saturday (I would have) * akk wonders why spellchecker thinks "wouldn't" is misspelled ... turns out "spellchecker" is too <metta> what's going on jono? <metta> is there a place where i can get a list of all the wikis i've made on wiki.ubuntu.com and help.ubuntu.com/community? <metta> i'm looking on launchpad but i don't see anything <metta> iheartubuntu: i created a wiki on that key thing. i just deleted the key and created a new one. <iheartubuntu> which key? <metta> iheartubuntu: keyring <iheartubuntu> did it work <metta> iheartubuntu: yeah. you should put fixes you find in the wiki. help.ubuntu.com/community so that when someone searches it pulls up there. or wiki.ubuntu.com <metta> there are a ton of sites instead of it all being in the wiki <icarus81> Is anyone good with Iptables I have a question? <DarkwingDuck> MarkDude: It never gets old... Lucid bug reporting at it's finest. http://havethebuttonsmovedbackyet.com/ <MarkDude> lol <MarkDude> mark did make clear - it was NOT time sensitive <DarkwingDuck> LOL <pleia2> nhaines: have an ETA on Ubucon photos and videos? #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-03-07 <metta> where can i get more of those meerkat stickers? i want to hand them out to students <metta> my niece loved it <eps> akk: what's an appropriate venue to argue the merits of LAX [e.g. for SCaLE]? :-) <akk> eps: My blog. :) Seriously, I don't know -- mail to some SCALE organizer alias? <eps> akk: It doesn't look to me like your blog accepts outside comments. <akk> No, it doesn't. I wish I had comments, just not enough to figure out how to offer them. <eps> Well, I guess that's a better answer than "/dev/null" or "port 9" ;-) <akk> It's definitely not "I don't want to hear comments", just that I'm set up in a way that makes it difficult to have them. <pleia2> finished up work on our team report for stuff I had details for, so if others have things to add please do :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/TeamReports/11/February <eps> pleia2: Feburary? <iheartubuntu> DarkwingDuck -> Im going to be using Kubuntu this next week and blogging about it. <pleia2> eps: yes, the report covers activities completed in february <eps> pleia2: It says FebURary <pleia2> yes, there are some typos, the URL is right though <eps> Your pix look awesome, BTW. * pleia2 is sick and typo-ridden <pleia2> but at least the report is done! ;) <pleia2> well, as done as I can make it <iheartubuntu> can anyone recommend a specific Ubuntu flyer I can pin up to note boards around campuses? There are a few in the spread ubuntu site, with pull tags. Neat idea, but the look of those flyers is a bit dated now. <pleia2> iheartubuntu: the purple flier is up there somewhere <eps> I'm starting to think about Release Parties. :-) <pleia2> our release installfest at noisebridge last
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