#ubuntu-mythtv 2007-07-01 <superm1_> rogue780, its already set <superm1_> to do so <superm1_> into /var/backups/mythconverg.sql.gz <rogue780> superm1_, right....problem then. yesterday when I managed to destroy mysql.... there was no /var/backups/mythconverg.sql.gz <superm1> on feisty packages, lets see how frequently that cron job runs <superm1> its weekly <rogue780> hmm....I'm a fan of hourly <rogue780> is that crontab under user mythtv? <superm1> yes <superm1> hourly backups! <superm1> lol <superm1> maybe only when your working on breaki..... er adding things to your setup <superm1> would you need hourly backups * rogue780 is trying to remember how to change other user's cron jobs <rogue780> daily would be as long as I'd want to go w/o backing up <superm1> sudo su crontab -e -u mythtv <superm1> erno <superm1> sudo crontab -e -u mythtv <superm1> thats all you need <rogue780> you see....I do stuff that most linux users know not to do....or I accidentally have the wrong putty window open and apt-get remove stuff from the wrong server.... <superm1> so you know just enough to be dangerous you say <rogue780> indeed <rogue780> it was really scary back when I started out w/slackware...I only had one user on my system.... <rogue780> root <rogue780> it was super dooper... I got so tired of reloading slackware that I gave up on linux for a few years <superm1> well um be more careful <superm1> is my advice then <rogue780> I'm workin' on it <superm1> the guy who owns www.localhsot.com is a genius <rogue780> LOL I want that t-shirt <superm1> i've seen someone wearing it before <superm1> and just smiled <rogue780> I think I broke something...the other day I spilled diet coke on my laptop...and now my audio works only when it wants to <superm1> okay i've got my ubiquity thing done. Daviey i have been in and out all day and consequently haven't touched the seeds, but when i get back from my brother's graduation party i'll try to <superm1> rogue780, catch you later <rogue780> see ya #ubuntu-mythtv 2007-07-02 * Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-mythtv.log <superm1> okay guys, the torrent is submitted to linuxtracker.org <superm1> so if you can join in on seeding it <superm1> http://www.linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=4302 <superm1> or you can get it from the files/iso directory too <Daviey> superm1: doing... what are you doing as root? :D <superm1> installing btdownloadcurses on pegasus <superm1> so it can seed 50mbps <Daviey> hahaha <Daviey> i was installing rtorrent at the same time <Daviey> but i got dpkg lock error where you were using apt :) <superm1> is there an advantage to rtorrent? <Daviey> nope <DaveMorris> whats the alpha? 2nd July? <superm1> yes <DaveMorris> we moving the iso to that other server? <Daviey> other server? <superm1> he said he will mirror it <superm1> as soon as he does i was going to make the public announce on the front page <DaveMorris> mirror.ploixed <Daviey> oh yes, that mirror <Daviey> i thought you mean't majoridiots <Daviey> erm, can drupal easily make balance loading <Daviey> ie each refresh cycles dl link <DaveMorris> hwo long till the release then? <Daviey> superm1: erm, pegasys isn't seeding <Daviey> infact i think it is leeching <superm1> i know its not seeding yet <superm1> ubuntu-installers just pinged me <superm1> because they were about to merge my changes <superm1> and wanted something changed <Daviey> merge into mainline ubiquity? <superm1> yes <superm1> okay it should be seeding now <superm1> i capped it at 6400 kb/s <DaveMorris> when is that mirror gonna be sorted then? And I guess we won't serve ISO's directly from pegasus <superm1> i emailed him last night <superm1> as soon as i got in <superm1> so as soon as he gets it <superm1> we could just announce with torrents and after he gets the mirror, edit the post <DaveMorris> I can only see 1 seed <DaveMorris> sorry 2 seeds and 1 peer <Daviey> hmm, i'm a peer <Daviey> only getting 270.9KB/s <superm1> well i'm one seed <superm1> and pegasus is the other <Daviey> 311kB/s, still not as much as expected :s <superm1> its getting a few of these too <superm1> | error(s): [09:29:19] rejected by tracker - Tracker error 3 | <superm1> do you have to register with linuxtracker.org for it to go properly? <DaveMorris> I've not regersitered <DaveMorris> and I'm getting 60K <Daviey> superm1: Are you sure you've set the cap right? <Daviey> i should be getting ~2Mb/s <superm1> --max_upload_rate 640 <superm1> is what I did <superm1> (its in kilobytes) <Daviey> ah <superm1> 2 Mbit = 256 kilobyte <superm1> so that is about right isn't it? <superm1> so should i make the post with just the torrent link and add the ISO mirror later after he mails me then? <superm1> or wait for that ISO mirror <superm1> and add both <Daviey> don't publish just yet, just reading up on something that might help <superm1> well i'm frightful of that digg link on linuxtracker.org <superm1> i dont want this dugg without the post explaining it on <Daviey> ah <Daviey> superm1: have you written an unpublished announcement on drupal? <superm1> its on google docs <superm1> right now <superm1> http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=df3hgf93_76hfs3wc <Daviey> "Mythweb doesn't yet include support for htaccess" didn't laga get that working? <superm1> not yet <Daviey> oh :( <Daviey> imbrandon: hey, are you about? <imbrandon> yea <imbrandon> sorta <imbrandon> :) <superm1> imbrandon, we're announcing alpha 2 today, so we were going to do it via torrent instead so the server doesn't bog down like last time <imbrandon> cool ok <superm1> and let it seed 50 mbps or so <superm1> do you have another server you could mirror the ISO on <imbrandon> hrm try to keep it to 25 if you can <superm1> that we can add to the download link for the announce? <imbrandon> yea <imbrandon> if you can give me 2 hours i can <imbrandon> have a mirror and put you on lighttpd <superm1> sure <superm1> http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/iso/mythbuntu-7.10%7E070702-i386.iso <superm1> there is the link for the alpha 2 image <imbrandon> when did you plan on announcing it ? <imbrandon> k <superm1> noon or so <superm1> before i leave for class <superm1> er noon central time :) <imbrandon> ok yea give me a few i'll hit you up in a sec <Daviey> imbrandon: sorry, got dragged away <Daviey> did you have a change to set up an alias pointing to many address? <Daviey> arg.. missed him <Daviey> swarmcast looks promising <superm1> whats that? <Daviey> it's a mixture of p2p and http-proxy <Daviey> so we can provide one url and it still be p2p'd <Daviey> 'tis a new concept for me, only heard about it last week <superm1> sounds like a pretty neat idea <superm1> okay i'm gonna be gone for a bit <superm1> i've the annoucement unpublished on drupal right now <Daviey> It's GPL'd apparently but can't find naff all on it <superm1> so as soon as imbrandon is ready, i' <superm1> submit <Daviey> cool <superm1> okay and major idiot joined. i think we're set on seeding now :) <superm1> okay see ya in a bit <superm1> imbrandon, its getting really close to noon, you about ready? <superm1> Daviey, are you still here? <tgm4883> superm1, totally forgot to check in sunday, any trouble with the torrent? <superm1> tgm4883, made it this morning <superm1> if you want to join in the seeding <tgm4883> will do <superm1> http://www.linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=4302 <superm1> ah crap its on digg <superm1> before our announce on the page <DaveMorris> put the announce up then! <tgm4883> from you or someone else? <superm1> someone else <superm1> well i wanted to wait until i got the +1 from imbrandon <superm1> he was going to switch it over to lighttpd and mirror the iso <superm1> so i could include that in the post <superm1> also that guy who mirrored it before was going to mirror it again, but i havent heard back from him yet <DaveMorris> just stick the torrent link on for now <Daviey> superm1: just <superm1> Daviey, just? <Daviey> i'm still here <Daviey> when it reaches the ubuntu planet it will be dugg more, so don't worry too much <superm1> well i've gotta leave in 13 min or so, so i can either give you the html that i prepared to post it <superm1> or post it before i leave <tgm4883> is the iso in the download the alpha 2? <superm1> yes <Daviey> post it before you leave.. the ubuntu-planet will reflect any changes in the text <superm1> right <superm1> and you can edit my post too <Daviey> yep <Daviey> make sure the timestamp on the post is now (not a few hours old) <superm1> how? <Daviey> copy/paste the draft to a new post? <Daviey> that's what i did last time <DaveMorris> can someone pm me when the announcement it made please <superm1> just did it <superm1> i'm on my way out <superm1> planet doesn't list it *yet* though <Daviey> cool <superm1> neither does google reader or iGoogle <superm1> hm <DaveMorris> its on my blog as well http://davemorris.wordpress.com/2007/07/02/mythbuntu-alpha2/ <Daviey> guess there is no point me blogging it then :) <superm1> ag great <superm1> okay /me out. I'll be back in 3 hours or so. Hopefully nothing burns down by then :) <Nixus_Maximus> do I get the information on the mythbuntu-homepage right: there will be repositories for ubuntu? Can I then change a running ubuntu-system in mythbuntu by "apt-get mythbuntu-desktop" or something like this? <DaveMorris> I'm not sure if there is a meta pcakage for the whole lot, however there are packages for mythtv-backend and mythtv-frontend <anodesni> Hi. I'm setting up my remote with lirc for mythtv, but it's not working <anodesni> when I use the commands $ sudo /etc/init.d/lirc start <anodesni> $ irw <anodesni> irw returns immediately, and gives you another command prompt <anodesni> What should I do? <laga> you should google a howto for setting up your remote on ubuntu <anodesni> yes I use this one https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty <anodesni> I followed the instructions precisely <laga> anodesni: see /var/log/daemon.log maybe you can find some hints <anodesni> what's in there? <anodesni> it sais the following <anodesni> Jul 2 22:00:34 folkert-desktop lircd-0.8.2-CVS[5760] : lircd(userspace) ready <anodesni> Jul 2 22:00:36 folkert-desktop lircd-0.8.2-CVS[5760] : accepted new client on /dev/lircd <anodesni> Jul 2 22:00:36 folkert-desktop lircd-0.8.2-CVS[5760] : could not get file information for /dev/lirc <anodesni> Jul 2 22:00:36 folkert-desktop lircd-0.8.2-CVS[5760] : default_init(): No such file or directory <anodesni> Jul 2 22:00:36 folkert-desktop lircd-0.8.2-CVS[5760] : caught signal <laga> your lircd is not configured properly it seems <anodesni> I followed the guide, so it should be configured properly I guess <laga> maybe you overlooked something. or your IR receiver is not plugged in properly. or you have chosen the wrong driver <anodesni> well, my remote works fine, the numbers work and the arrows etc <anodesni> but it did before I installed lirc <anodesni> But I want to remap the keys so I can use it with mythtv <laga> yes, but it was not using olirc then, it was recognized as an input device then <anodesni> yes <anodesni> and now it is still recognized as input device, is that the problem? <anodesni> is it some setting in xorg.conf? <laga> sorry, i'm too short on time to help you right now. you could start reading the lirc article at http://wiki.mythtv.org <laga> i'm fighting CSLT :( <anodesni> ok <laga> XSLT even <anodesni> huh? <laga> -> "i'm fighting XSLT"# <anodesni> well, good luck <laga> thanks ;) <laga> anodesni: hey, take a look at inputlircd or lircd using its dev/input driver <laga> inputlircd should get you started in no time, but you'll likely have to create your own .lircrc <anodesni> ok I'll try <laga> i use inputlircd -m 0 -g. see the man page :) <anodesni> It sais "Not enough arguments" <laga> that's why you need to read the man page ;) <anodesni> ok <laga> i can't walk you through the set up. <anodesni> I'm not really good with this command line programs <laga> try XSLT instead... ;) <anodesni> I leave that to you <anodesni> If i run "dmesg' it has the following error: [ 47.774623] lirc_atiusb: no version for "lirc_unregister_plugin" found: kernel tainted. <laga> is that an error or just a warning? <anodesni> i don't know <laga> does lirc_atiusb show up in 'lsmod'? <anodesni> yes <laga> i don't think it's a critical error then <laga> youcould google that error message <laga> almost 10:30pm, it's time for dinner ;) <laga> good luck with lirc, i've got to go now <anodesni> should I have lirc_i2c installed? <DaveMorris> has the iso been mirrored yet? <Daviey> no <Daviey> http://mirror.polorix.net/index.php?dir=Mythbuntu <Daviey> it'll appear there <Daviey> for what it's worth i can mirror it aswell <Daviey> it'll be on my site in 5 mins <DaveMorris> we just don't have a iso people behind firewall's etc can download yet <superm1> 0603??? <superm1> Um how did he get an iso from tomorrow <superm1> time traveling daemon..... <superm1> oh no. thats not it <superm1> thats last months <Daviey> okay it's up <Daviey> http://daviey.mooo.com/mythbuntu-7.10~070702-i386.iso <superm1> you going to edit the post? <superm1> or you want me to <Daviey> superm1: feel free <Daviey> if the load gets too much, i'll have to pull it tho <Daviey> but should be fine <superm1> well its not moving anywhere on digg this time around <superm1> maybe not too much worry then even in the first place <superm1> okay we're merged into mainline ubiquity now <superm1> oh Daviey. i just got an email, our list might finally be coming through. It has been approved, just waiting for the sysadmin team to make it now <foxbuntu_> hey super <superm1> hi fox <foxbuntu_> finally found my way into the irc channel <superm1> good good. well rogue780 is Shawn (whom you have been in contact with over artwork i'd assume) <Daviey> superm1: been approved?! by whom? <superm1> jono <Daviey> you're joking! <superm1> he apparently is the one who it eventually gets to to be acked <superm1> no joke <Daviey> I asked him weeks ago about it, he said he'd give a shove <superm1> James Troupe sends him a list of acks <Daviey> Didn't realise it was jono's call <superm1> and rt sends them to James <superm1> well its not his call imm <superm1> he is the last person in canonical that touches it it appears before the sysadmins <superm1> some bureaucracy they've got going there <superm1> when I meet him next month, we're going to have a talk about this, you can bet on that :) <Daviey> well i'll be seeing jono next friday; i'll likely have a moan <superm1> haha <foxbuntu_> a moan? <superm1> i'll send you a copy of the thread <superm1> so you can see the mess that i've gone through up the chain <superm1> to complain <Daviey> superm1: we'll script out moan; that way he's attacked from both sides of the alantic :) <superm1> lol <superm1> memorize it and all? <Daviey> naa. print it out <superm1> i like it <Daviey> DaveMorris will be seeing him sat. <superm1> well i can't seem to send the whole thread in gmail because it wasn't copied each time around <superm1> i'll send you the last post though <Daviey> cool <Daviey> rcd <superm1> i was patient up until this weekend - when i saw another list was made <superm1> ubuntu-motu-science <superm1> and i flipped on that <Daviey> i bet <Daviey> M.East was pretty direct <Daviey> I would like to see the whole chain, if you can manage it <superm1> maybe in thunderbird there is an easier way to do them all <superm1> i'll check when i get home <superm1> and have access to it <Daviey> no rush <Daviey> It <Daviey> It's depressing when the most frequent visitor to your site is ubuntu's rss grabber <foxbuntu_> ha <foxbuntu_> put porn up there like the old days...that will attract the users <superm1> well its not like there are regular updates on the site for people to see <Daviey> superm1: cheers <Daviey> :) <DaveMorris> Daviey: you'll see him as well <Daviey> DaveMorris: keep scrolling <DaveMorris> meh * mode/#ubuntu-mythtv [+o superm1] by ChanServ * ..[topic/#ubuntu-mythtv:superm1] : "Welcome to #ubuntu-mythtv33ec:265c:71fe:e26d:2682:4ec2:aaa1:99ab Mythbuntu Alpha 2: http://www.mythbuntu.org 33ec:265c:71fe:e26d:2682:4ec2:aaa1:99ab Paste logs @ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org 33ec:265c:71fe:e26d:2682:4ec2:aaa1:99ab See our wiki for setting up and troubleshooting: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV" * mode/#ubuntu-mythtv [-o superm1] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-mythtv [+o superm1] by ChanServ * ..[topic/#ubuntu-mythtv:superm1] : "Welcome to #ubuntu-mythtv33ec:265c:71fe:e26d:2682:4ec2:aaa1:99ab Mythbuntu 7.10 Alpha 2: http://www.mythbuntu.org 33ec:265c:71fe:e26d:2682:4ec2:aaa1:99ab Paste logs @ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org 33ec:265c:71fe:e26d:2682:4ec2:aaa1:99ab See our wiki for setting up and troubleshooting: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV" * mode/#ubuntu-mythtv [-o superm1] by ChanServ <foxbuntu_> ok, so all of the perverts (e.g. superm) must live in Oklahoma City <superm1> fox, tab complete names so that people see things written, and what are you talking about? <foxbuntu_> I ran a google trends query on the word pussy...and Oklahoma City came back as the number one city in the world searching for that <foxbuntu_> sickos <foxbuntu_> lol <Daviey> Awww. Oklahoma City likes cats <foxbuntu_> oh that must be it <foxbuntu_> sorry got confused there <foxbuntu_> see sex sells, just look at the results <foxbuntu_> http://www.google.com/trends?q=mythtv%2C+pussy&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 <foxbuntu_> anyhow...anything productive you guys might want me to look at? <Daviey> foxbuntu_: have you tried the latest iso? <Daviey> feedback on that would be great <foxbuntu_> sure...I have a machine to go break <foxbuntu_> :) <foxbuntu_> I'll have it dl'ed in like 4 mins <superm1> foxbuntu_, did you grab the torrent or an ISO? <foxbuntu_> iso <Daviey> what dl speed did you get? <foxbuntu_> 930 right now <Daviey> from daviey.mooo.com? <foxbuntu_> no...says mythbuntu <Daviey> where did you find the linky for that? <superm1> oh the download page he found it, not the front post <Daviey> fair nuff <foxbuntu_> oh, are you working on a mirror? <superm1> well Daviey mirrored it and another guy was going to as well <foxbuntu_> gotcha <Daviey> geez, but it's only getting 40Kb/s sec <Daviey> so kinda rubbish <foxbuntu_> I would be lucky to feed that <foxbuntu_> my up blows goats <foxbuntu_> but yet mediacrap gives me 8MB down <foxbuntu_> word is that it is going up to 12 soon though <Daviey> foxbuntu_: i'm on 20Bm down :) <Daviey> Mb* <foxbuntu_> ahole <foxbuntu_> Im stuck in the shit hole for inet <foxbuntu_> the midwest <Daviey> soon 100Mb is trialing :) <foxbuntu_> ass clown <foxbuntu_> STOP <foxbuntu_> lol <foxbuntu_> the US sucks ass for inet speed <Daviey> superm1: reckon we should add pegasys as a mirror for the moment? <Daviey> 40Kb/s from my server blows <superm1> Daviey, it is seeding <superm1> 3200 kb/s max <Daviey> foxbuntu_: Japan has had 100Mb for years <foxbuntu_> dl done <foxbuntu_> need a cd <foxbuntu_> brb <superm1> !ohmy | foxbuntu_ <ubotu> foxbuntu_: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly. <superm1> btw^ <foxbuntu_> family friendly? who is under 12? <superm1> its not appropriate in the channel thats all <foxbuntu_> j/k <foxbuntu_> ok <foxbuntu_> can I get a 100MB line?! <foxbuntu_> without moving to Japan <Daviey> foxbuntu_: i'm in the UK <foxbuntu_> I'd move there <foxbuntu_> brits are fun to watch <foxbuntu_> lol <foxbuntu_> superm1, get this, sunday, my myth froze for no reason, my lappy blew a ram chip and I found out my basement stairs has termite damage all within 3 hours <superm1> yikes <superm1> thats pretty rough <foxbuntu_> yea...I was pretty p/o'ed sunday night <foxbuntu_> ok...gonna go step through this LiveCD quick...see what I can break #ubuntu-mythtv 2007-07-03 <Daviey> hopefully not the tv :) <foxbuntu_> idk....at least the wife would let me buy a new one then <Daviey> superm1: did keescook have any joy with the lspci? <superm1> haven't spoken to him about it since last time you saw <foxbuntu_> why doe the installer window suddenly resize when you select advanced? <superm1> are you in a VM? <foxbuntu_> no <superm1> i think i know what the cause of it is, and its related to translations <superm1> but i've not seen it outside a vm <foxbuntu_> does vnc work yet? <superm1> yes <foxbuntu_> it doesnt auto fill the default DB name in the MYSQL info anymore <superm1> in which? <foxbuntu_> frontend only install <superm1> auto fill? <superm1> you need the info in order to do that type of install <superm1> for your master backend and such <foxbuntu_> you had it set before that the MySQL DB field was already filled with "mythconverg" the default name <foxbuntu_> and now its now <foxbuntu_> not* <superm1> oh <superm1> i guess it does make sense to leave it as a default <foxbuntu_> where does that file reside with the MySQL password again? (theres something to add to that same screen as a note) <superm1> it should be on that screen <superm1> /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt <foxbuntu_> nice on the TV out options <superm1> if they work right of course :) <foxbuntu_> indeed <foxbuntu_> the install is rolling now <superm1> fairly painless procedure? <foxbuntu_> yea...I would just add the note about that password for people like me <superm1> i coulda sworn there was one there already <superm1> but i could be crazy <foxbuntu_> your crazy <foxbuntu_> (but we all already knew that) <foxbuntu_> wow...this old emachine dvd burner is fast <foxbuntu_> rebooting <foxbuntu_> the nviida auto select is still killing me tho <superm1> its just too high of a resolution for that monitor <superm1> but still usable? <foxbuntu_> yea <foxbuntu_> well <foxbuntu_> not usable <superm1> why? <foxbuntu_> becuase 25 - 30% of the screen cant be seen <superm1> how about other things - did they work out as expected? <foxbuntu_> still no audio <superm1> i thought that was from the onboard having issues? <superm1> not being enabled <superm1> in the bios <foxbuntu_> orgianlly I thought so...but its enabled right now <foxbuntu_> unless the installer somehow killed it <superm1> there is *nothing* in the installer touching anything related to audio <superm1> whatsoever <foxbuntu_> i figured that much <foxbuntu_> this is the most expensive board I own too <superm1> well like i said before, file a bug with that alsa script <superm1> its possible alsa is broken for your board <foxbuntu_> yea <foxbuntu_> teach me for getting a better board <superm1> well no, you can provide very valuable information here to crimsun <superm1> so that it can be fixed by release <foxbuntu_> eww <superm1> ? <foxbuntu_> how would I switch mythtv to use OSS <superm1> take out ALSA:default <superm1> and put /dev/dsp <superm1> why would you even want to though? <foxbuntu_> just testing a theory <superm1> OSS support is emulated though <superm1> via alsa <foxbuntu_> oh <superm1> hence why i was asking why you'd want to <foxbuntu_> i think the problems are form the nForce drivers <superm1> from the nforce drivers? <foxbuntu_> yea <superm1> the nforce drivers aren't installed <superm1> the open source ones are <foxbuntu_> this board had the nForce Ac'97 chipset <superm1> the nforce ones didn't support alsa last i checked <foxbuntu_> thus my issue <superm1> nope <superm1> there are plenty of boards out there nforce cards <superm1> that work the open source driver <superm1> the ac97 codec is a pretty broad thing <superm1> you saw that the driver was loaded <superm1> and your mixer worked <superm1> but no audio, hence why i said to file a bug <superm1> and submit that script <superm1> crimsun debugs this stuff all the time <foxbuntu_> k <foxbuntu_> drop the bug where again? <superm1> against the alsa source package <foxbuntu_> k <superm1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+filebug <tgm4883> anyone use a dual layer dvd burner in their mythtv setup? <foxbuntu> neg <foxbuntu> I do have one, but dont use it <foxbuntu> anyone else have input here? <superm1_> tgm4883, i have <superm1> your looking to burn dvds with files > 4 GB i'm guessing? <tgm4883> yea <tgm4883> mine went kaput <superm1> yea thats a really ugly situation right now <superm1> ISO9660 doesn't allow any files bigger than 4GB on a level 3 disk <superm1> and if you use a dual layer disk the same problem happens <superm1> so there are three possible solutions <superm1> 1) Make the file smaller (take out commercials and such) <superm1> 2) Split it into multiple pieces (preferably less than 2GB each) <superm1> 3) Burn a UDF DVD <tgm4883> hmm <tgm4883> My goal would be to play it in a regular DVD player <tgm4883> #1 is for sure <superm1> okay thats a diff issue then <superm1> mytharchive should be able to re-encode the files <tgm4883> We want to reencode the files? To make them smaller or are they not DVD complient? <superm1> well depending where they are recorded from both <superm1> if they are from a pvr-xxx card, and recorded at the right resolution, then just the former <tgm4883> The correct resolution being? 720x480? <tgm4883> Mostly it is for stuff via my STB <tgm4883> Motorola 6200 <superm1> ah via firewire? <tgm4883> yes <superm1> does the resolution ever change during the files? <superm1> like durign a commercial <superm1> or the bitrate <superm1> or the frame rate <tgm4883> I dont believe so <superm1> well if that's the case, it is likely dvd compliant <tgm4883> although I would wonder if it is under 9000kbps <superm1> but you can re-encode the video for size (and lower quality) if you want it to go on the dvd as dvd video <superm1> if its just 720x480 it should be <tgm4883> I blame my brother for all these questions. He couldn't have it easy and have a mythtv system <foxbuntu__> neato...wifi router went BLEH! <tgm4883> well in any case, I need a new DVD burner. My HP lasted about 75 burns and less than a year. <superm1> warranty <superm1> foxbuntu__, did vnc and ssh and nfs and samba work out for you as expected? <superm1> (or whichever ones you turned on) <tgm4883> Well, I actually don't think it's under warranty anymore. Aren't they only 1 year? I burned the first 75 in about 3 months, then didn't try to use it until recently. About 13 months later <tgm4883> I am working with them though <superm1> oh thats a shame <tgm4883> they want me to upgrade the firmware <tgm4883> which is a pain <superm1> can you do it via a VM? <superm1> or is it a dos boot disk? <foxbuntu__> superm1: I dont think smb is working <foxbuntu__> or nfs <superm1> foxbuntu__, well it shouldnt be if you had a frontend install <foxbuntu__> but ssh is <foxbuntu__> oh <superm1> now that i think about it - it shouldnt have even been an option <foxbuntu__> i thought you meant it was supposed to be working <foxbuntu__> then yes <superm1> well i was thinking what was on that page normally <rogue780> did someone ask for me? the channel was blue in the list...but I don't see where someone said me name <foxbuntu__> oh I did <foxbuntu__> i pmed you <tgm4883> Haven't tried a VM, tried putting it in an external enclosure, but that didn't work. Tried Wine for the heck of it. Now im installing win 2000 on an old 10Gb HD on my mythbuntu test machine. So hopefully this will work <tgm4883> I'll never buy another HP device again if it is broke. <superm1> foxbuntu__, you need to register with freenode to PM <foxbuntu__> oh <foxbuntu__> did not know that <superm1> well depending on how they interface with it, the VM may or may not work <tgm4883> 75 burns and 150 lightscribe burns shouldn't ruin your DVD drive. Won't even read CD's right now <superm1> wow <superm1> thats ridiculous <foxbuntu__> tgm4883: the lightscribe destroys the drives <tgm4883> The good news is that I didn't really buy it. It was for work so my company bought it, but it's still a PITA <tgm4883> Lightscribe destroys drives? How? <superm1> i've never heard that before either <superm1> its different lasers <foxbuntu__> tgm4883: it wears the laser out way faster than normal <superm1> foxbuntu__, do you have an article your referencing regarding that? <rogue780> I think what lightscribe drives need is a really big "laser" <foxbuntu__> in my experience with those drives the more you use that feature the faster they die <rogue780> anyone on pownce? <superm1> rogue780, what is that? <tgm4883> I'm not that impressed with lightscribe anyway. It's better than sharpie, but you still need special disks. If I need special disks anyway, I might as well buy the ones you can print on and get color <rogue780> http://digg.com/software/Pownce_Up_close_and_personal <tgm4883> I could see the motor wearing out faster, but not the laser <rogue780> http://www.addoneword.com/ ---anyone can contribute to the story one word at a time....how could this possibly end up badly? <foxbuntu__> its been awhile since i have delt with them...but i blew up a few of them using that (back when I "rented" hardware from bby) <rogue780> you can rent hardware? wtf? <foxbuntu__> yea credit card + bby + 30 day return policy = rental <tgm4883> lol <tgm4883> thats borderline fraud isn't it <foxbuntu__> no, because if you don't like it you can return it, says so right in the policy <foxbuntu__> (former bby employee) <foxbuntu__> lol <tgm4883> with the stipulation that you are returning it because you didn't like it. Not premeditating that you planed on returning it before you bought it <foxbuntu__> you can't do it alot or they wont let you return stuff anymore...but none the less <foxbuntu__> but they would have to prove that <superm1> keescook, some time back i had asked you about how to checkout just the latest part of a bzr branch. i learned this weekend bzr co --lightweight only checks out the last revision, so all the history before hand is ignored <tgm4883> Thats not the point though <tgm4883> There are a lot of things that you can get away with that they wouldn't be able to prove. Doesn't mean that you should do it <foxbuntu__> lol...I only ever rented parts I didnt have for testing at the time (which anymore, i have too may parts) <tgm4883> lol, my problem too, to many parts <foxbuntu__> you should see the piles of random junk I have <rogue780> I've got a rack-mount server measuring approx 3'x3' with dual PII-400mhz and two 9gb SCSI drives if anyone wants it. I'm in MD <tgm4883> rogue780, does that come with free shipping :) <rogue780> sure...just as long as you give me a ....say $50 UPS gift card ;) <tgm4883> Deal <tgm4883> j/k, im thinking it's more than $50 to send that to Oregon <tgm4883> It's amazing, I can remember back when 133Mhz was the fastest machine out there. I can also remember when I threw away 8 133Mhz machines <rogue780> Oregon...i'd forgotten. I wonder if I could take that on the airplane w/me. I'm comin' over there in Nov. <tgm4883> Yea, I'm sure homeland security would let that be your carry on <foxbuntu__> lol <foxbuntu__> yea you might hack into the avionics from the cabin with your wifi card and wireless electricity <foxbuntu__> and then over power them with your super jigga-watts on the flux capicitor <tgm4883> Superm1, what DVD burner do you have? <superm1> its a lite on <superm1> um <tgm4883> hmm <tgm4883> Heard some sketchy things about lite on and dvd standalone compatibility <superm1> well i've never had troubles <superm1> i usually burn native myth disks rather than DVD, but every so often i'll burn dvd, and they work out fine <tgm4883> you know which model? <superm1> let me fire it up and i'll see <tgm4883> oh and just so everyone knows, mine that broke is the HP 840i <tgm4883> Currently im looking at a NEC and a Pioneer <tgm4883> I do have a single layer lite on dvd burner <superm1> LITE-ON DVDRW SHW-160P6S PS01 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 <tgm4883> So you would recommend that drive? <superm1> i haven't had a single issue with it yet, but i'm sure there are newer faster drives <superm1> and such <tgm4883> I have a LDW-411S and its ok, but I seemed to have a seeking problem with the one disk that I burned using mytharchive <tgm4883> One question about mytharchive, does it make any chapters when it makes a dvd? <superm1> yes <tgm4883> how does it decide where? <superm1> i'm not sure actually <superm1> how it decides <tgm4883> I would guess that it's one of three ways <tgm4883> 1. every 5 minutes <tgm4883> 2. Scene changes <tgm4883> 3. commercials <tgm4883> I would hope for commercials <superm1> its probably 1 <superm1> commercials i know for sure its not <superm1> you need to have a cutlist prepared <superm1> before you burn <tgm4883> a cutlist would remove the commercials <tgm4883> right? <superm1> right <tgm4883> ok <superm1> you can use the flagging to make the cutlist <superm1> but you need to make sure its made before you burn <tgm4883> so the flagging will make the cutlist (providing i go in there it should already be done)? <superm1> well its still a manual step <superm1> think of it as you need to 'verify' <superm1> that it was right <tgm4883> right, but i dont have to go in there, find where the commercial starts, and manually do it that way <superm1> what you do is open up the recording <superm1> hit e <superm1> and then hit z <superm1> which loads your comm skips <superm1> into the cutlist <superm1> if they are accurate you hit escape <superm1> otherwise you fix them <tgm4883> I don't suppose those are mapped to the MCE remote <superm1> well z is <superm1> its comm skip forwards <superm1> i dont know if e is <superm1> you can also hit menu <superm1> and pick edit <superm1> i'm a bit of a perfectionist, so i always go through and make sure each one is dead on <superm1> there are other keys to navigate in edit mode <superm1> up and down change the time scale of jumps <superm1> pg up and pg down jump between cut points <superm1> and left and right move the selected amount of time scale <superm1> forward or back <tgm4883> How is the final edit on the finished dvd? Is it a smooth transition, or more of a cut and tape together <superm1> thats all up to you <superm1> where you make the cuts <superm1> and how accurate you will be on it <tgm4883> right, but im assuming that its not a sweet little fade out, <tgm4883> its more like the commercial skip where it just jumps <superm1> well <superm1> you can make them nice fade outs if the show uses them already <superm1> and you cut at the right place <tgm4883> ok <foxbuntu___> superm1: great...the fun continues, my wifi router is dying now <superm1> foxbuntu___, these things always happen in groups, never one at a time * mode/#ubuntu-mythtv [+o superm1] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-mythtv [-o superm1] by ChanServ <tgm4883> foxbuntu___, thats never good, unless it gives you a reason to upgrade to 802.11n, but I think its a little early for that <foxbuntu___> yea, n stardard isnt set to even be agreed on by the fcc until Sept of 08 at the earliest, but looking more like Sept of 09 <tgm4883> oh i thought they were looking at 08 for release <tgm4883> im just going by wikipedia <foxbuntu___> nope, just talked to a company today that builds wifi AP's and they said their devs just had a meeting saying that if everything goes to plan 08 but more likely to get pushed to 09 <foxbuntu___> for the N-Standard <tgm4883> ah <tgm4883> :( I need my N <tgm4883> So im assuming that the intel 4965 is pre N then? <foxbuntu___> yes <foxbuntu___> superm1: <superm1> yes? <foxbuntu___> superm1: now to add to this....man I am screwed...my washing machine is acting up, just found out from the wife <superm1> sounds to me like that LCD TV isn't being purchased any time soon? <foxbuntu___> yea...that gettin knocked right off the list <foxbuntu___> damn it <foxbuntu___> we'll see about the washer...might just be OE <Daviey> poor foxbuntu___ <superm1> Daviey, what are you still doing up :) <Daviey> sorry sir <foxbuntu___> poor foxbuntu___ indeed <Daviey> just got up to get the daughter a drink and walked past the screen <superm1> ah <Daviey> I'll go again if that's what you want <Daviey> :) <foxbuntu___> everytime i get close to getting a HDTV...this crap happens...owning a house and being married sucks....no fun money anymore :( <superm1> i want some working metas, can you get those too? :S <foxbuntu___> lol <Daviey> yeah, i'll grab them now <Daviey> nn <superm1> night Daviey <foxbuntu___> superm1: is ntp installed on the mythbuntu package? <superm1> yes <foxbuntu___> ok...j/w cuz I don't think my backend has ntp right now <superm1> if its feisty it does <foxbuntu___> not setup then <foxbuntu___> my time seems to fallen off like 20 secs or so <superm1> there is no 'setup' to it <superm1> you can add other servers if you want <superm1> but the ntp daemon is always running <foxbuntu___> oh...do you know any reason ssh would login dirt slow <superm1> a lot of IO going <foxbuntu___> ok <foxbuntu___> figured it was just the machine is busy <foxbuntu___> but thought I would check <foxbuntu___> hmm...ntptime is correct so then I need to adjust the mythtv setting for start/end <foxbuntu> superm1: I just got to thinking...I could get a 23" apple lcd and have 1080p HD TV from myth <superm1> those require dual link DVI though i think <superm1> make sure your video card supports it <foxbuntu> I could get one (the card I have in the frontend now is an MX400, not exactly HD) <superm1> its not a matter of the card being able to support HD content <superm1> its a matter if the port is dual link dvi <foxbuntu> yea <foxbuntu> I would love to just get a Mac <foxbuntu> and an iPhone <foxbuntu> lol <superm1> _MMA_, So I wanted to touch bases with you on how you prepared your seeds <_MMA_> Oh. <superm1> because we were going to formulate our metas <_MMA_> Thats a joejaxx question. :) <superm1> and make seeds <superm1> ah :) <_MMA_> He's that mastermind. <superm1> Okay i'll check with him. thanks!. also, fyi, we just got our stuff merged into ubiquity mainline <_MMA_> Invite him in here. <superm1> you might want to take a look how it was done <_MMA_> Im sure hes around. <superm1> if your interested in a desktop release next time around or two (rather than alternate disk) <_MMA_> Naa.. <_MMA_> Doesnt fit our needs/audience. <superm1> ah okay * mode/#ubuntu-mythtv [+o superm1] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-mythtv [-o superm1] by ChanServ <superm1> Hi Hobbsee, what brings you to #ubuntu-mythtv this evenin? <superm1> er morning in your case i guess :) <Hobbsee> hi superm1 <Hobbsee> superm1: just saw the discussions on releases and stuff, so thought i'd look in <superm1> ah. i was poking about formulating seeds properly <Hobbsee> ahhh <superm1> Daviey and I were trying to sort out the right way to base from the seeds ubuntu-archive used <Hobbsee> how do you build your cds thougH? <superm1> to make metas <superm1> its a build script that i hand wrote <superm1> Hobbsee, http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu/annotate/supermario%40portablemario-20070702054002-svmnn1mexy4k1foz?file_id=mythbuntu_install.sh-20070512013830-8pfzx9g2zarg2sxf-12 <Hobbsee> looking * Hobbsee ponders asking some really stupid questions <superm1> go for it :) * Hobbsee finishes reading the script first though <Hobbsee> is ubuntu-mythtv (hearby known as mythtv), an official ubuntu flavour? <superm1> well i dont know if its 'official', per say, but the name mythbuntu and the mythbuntu team was recognized at the CC meeting a few weeks ago. <superm1> i dont think it can be 'official', because it uses items from multiverse <Hobbsee> er...does that make it legal to host on mythbuntu.org? <imbrandon> superm1, ubuntu's choice is not to use multiverse ootb, dosent make mythbuntu less officialseeing as how i host mythbuntu.org yes :) <superm1> well i'll step around that question and say its not canonical's problem at that point. <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee <Hobbsee> heh, right. <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon! :) <superm1> Hi imbrandon <Hobbsee> superm1: and it's built on gutsy? <superm1> yes <Hobbsee> superm1: well, on the current development release? <imbrandon> kinda like the choice of studio to use only alternate and edubuntu to use 2 cd's , they are still oficial , just not the way ubuntu does it <Hobbsee> superm1: i'm wondering a) if it's desirable, and b) if it's possible to run the seeds as ubuntu and flavours do, and so therefore get all the merges of the ubuntu seeds, and get the images, etc, built in the DC <superm1> how does the build process work in the DC though? <Hobbsee> but that likely means canonical would have to host the images, and i suspect they might not want to do that... <imbrandon> Hobbsee, how would it be any diffrent than them hosting the multiverse repo its self <imbrandon> :) <Hobbsee> imbrandon: that's a point <imbrandon> and yes someday canonical will likely host the images, but more myth team will have to be main devs to kick off the builds and seeds <imbrandon> same as studio <superm1> imbrandon, is studio still hosting on their own server for gutsy? Or will they be on a canonical server? <imbrandon> kinda like when xubuntu became a official flavor <imbrandon> superm1, i host studio too <imbrandon> for now <superm1> oh right, forgot :) * _MMA_ makes a mean face @ Brandon. <imbrandon> ;) <imbrandon> heya _MMA_ when did you sneak in <imbrandon> :) <_MMA_> grr.. * imbrandon looks all innocent about the ML <_MMA_> Ah huh. <superm1> _MMA_, mailing list issues? <imbrandon> superm1, yea i still havent setup his private ML yet, been procratonating <_MMA_> Well imbrandon generously offered hosting services but has yet to get the ML up. :( <Hobbsee> imbrandon:it builds in the data centre - i dont know how official it is. <_MMA_> (he's lacking follow through) <_MMA_> ;) <superm1> he was going to make us something like that too :) <imbrandon> Hobbsee, huh ? <Hobbsee> imbrandon: the builds require access to the DC - most main devs dont have that <imbrandon> official what is ? <Hobbsee> but seeds, yeah. <Hobbsee> imbrandon:it builds in the data centre - i dont know how official it is. (xubuntu, sorry, got called afk) <imbrandon> Hobbsee, some do, like orga etc <Hobbsee> yeah, ogra does, true <superm1> so who actually queues up the builds in the DC then? <imbrandon> xubuntu is official <imbrandon> superm1, depends on the flavor <Hobbsee> superm1: the release manager, or a member of the release team <imbrandon> and who the RM is for that releaser <imbrandon> Hobbsee, for ubuntu yes <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i dont believe ogra actually builds cds, btw. <imbrandon> not for the flavors <imbrandon> yes <imbrandon> he does <Hobbsee> RM also does kubuntu <_MMA_> imbrandon: PM <imbrandon> Hobbsee, as does riddle at times <Hobbsee> true (now) <imbrandon> always has been time permittting <imbrandon> :) <imbrandon> thats why orga and other became main when xubuntu became official <imbrandon> _MMA_, one sec <_MMA_> k <Hobbsee> well, i guess technically anyone can build them, if htey have access to drescher <imbrandon> :) <Hobbsee> i was assuming can != do, though :P <imbrandon> :) <superm1> Hobbsee, to that effect then, i'm assuming we should wait a release cycle before trying to get into being built on the DC? <Hobbsee> superm1: no idea. you'd need to have the seeds and that in place, but i dont believe it's any harder than that. ask pitti when he comes online. <superm1> Hobbsee, and would you be able to comment on properly building the seeds? <imbrandon> superm1, i'm gonna move you to lighttpd tonight and setup the traffic graphs <Hobbsee> superm1: as in, how to create them? <superm1> as in how to create them, and what needs to be in them <superm1> k imbrandon <imbrandon> superm1, joejax is the man to poke about getting the seeds prepared <Hobbsee> superm1: the seeds for the flavours are in bzr. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement <_MMA_> He's on. I told him to join. <superm1> i invited him <_MMA_> k <superm1> that would be the page that i was wondering if existed <Hobbsee> superm1: and look at the current seeds for examples <superm1> Hi joejaxx <joejaxx> Good Evening All <joejaxx> hello <imbrandon> lo joe <_MMA_> superm1: Why weret you in the -derivative meeting? Are you on the ML? <Hobbsee> hiya joejaxx <joejaxx> imbrandon: :) <joejaxx> Hobbsee: :) <joejaxx> hello all <superm1> _MMA_, Didn't even know there was such a mailing list or meeting <superm1> i'll join <_MMA_> k <superm1> joejaxx, I was looking for some pointers as for getting the seeds prepared for mythbuntu <joejaxx> oh <joejaxx> for canonical builds? or just mythbuntu specific? <superm1> well for now they will be mythbuntu specific, but ideally maintain compatibility so that we could move to canonical builds at some point <joejaxx> ok <joejaxx> you are going to want to get the source for ubuntu-meta <superm1> right, and i saw that you germinate from a seed <superm1> and that seed is in a bzr branch <joejaxx> yes there are two methods <joejaxx> over http and the other is bzr <joejaxx> you are probably going to want to do bzr <joejaxx> that is something i have to setup this release cycle with uS <superm1> (us) being fluxbuntu? <joejaxx> uS == ubuntu studio <superm1> ah <joejaxx> yeap :) <joejaxx> so you will edit the seeds through bzr branch <joejaxx> and when you go to build the package you run a script <joejaxx> it goes out and gets the depends/recommends for each arch that ubuntu supports <superm1> (the ./update script)? <joejaxx> yes <joejaxx> after that finishes you build the package <superm1> now in writing the seeds that ubuntu-studio will be using, i'm assuming you will leave all the ones there intact, and add another one entitled ubuntu-studio-live, or something to that effect? <joejaxx> it will also auto increment the changelog for you with the packages you added/remove from last version <superm1> and within STRUCTURE, list the others its depending on, minimal, standard, boot, etc? <joejaxx> superm1: oh no we do not use the live seed because we do not have livecds <superm1> oh right <joejaxx> superm1: yes <superm1> (well in our case) we're exclusively live disks, so we would then <joejaxx> ah ok <superm1> now what about the syntax in the seed, what are the = or == breaking apart? <superm1> subsections i'd assume, but why different levels <joejaxx> well the = is a major section <joejaxx> for example <joejaxx> = Hardware and Architecture Support = <joejaxx> then it goes into <joejaxx> == Architecture-independent == <joejaxx> == i386, i686, amd64 == <superm1> so why would you break them into subsections though? (Where is that used then?) <joejaxx> it is just like having an outline of sorts <superm1> just for organization when writing? <joejaxx> yes <superm1> ahhh. that finally would make sense then <superm1> and it appears that any line that doesnt start with a space is ignored too, as there are countless instances of stuff like "Email:" or "Other:" <joejaxx> yeah <joejaxx> #comments like these are ignored <joejaxx> it looks for <joejaxx> " * package" <superm1> okay and what about if you look at the file 'live', there are a lot of lines that start with "Task" <Hobbsee> speaking of seeds... * Hobbsee does the kubuntu one again <joejaxx> superm1: you are not going to need those until Canonical starts building your discs <joejaxx> so i would not worry about those for now <superm1> okay, then won't worry atm <_MMA_> superm1: Just FYI: #ubuntu-derivative <superm1> joejaxx, and i won't need to list dependencies within the seed at all, since they are all calculated by the germination process <superm1> ex, mythtv-frontend and mythtv-common wouldn't need to both be there <joejaxx> yeah <joejaxx> oh and <joejaxx> " * (package)" are recommends <superm1> ok <joejaxx> :) <superm1> for this release cycle if we're not going to be built by canonical, should i bug a core-dev to commit us into the main seed bzr branch? <superm1> or probably not going to be a big deal <joejaxx> i do not know if they are going to do that but you can specify any bzr branch in the package <joejaxx> and update it later if the repository moves <superm1> ah yes thats right <superm1> well then for now we can just make a branch of that bzr branch, and should we ever need to merge it will be straightforward for a core dev to do <_MMA_> Have fun guys. :) <joejaxx> superm1: yeah <superm1> okay sounds like i've got a good wealth of info here to get going on this then, and make these seeds right :) <superm1> thanks joejaxx <joejaxx> superm1: you are most welcome :) <joejaxx> superm1: i do not know what method you all use to create the isos but just make sure you have EVERYTHING packaged when it comes time for Canonical to build your discs <superm1> joejaxx, its a custom script right now <superm1> that i wrote <joejaxx> superm1: it will greatly speed up the process because you do not have to package everything when the time comes <joejaxx> superm1: oh ok <superm1> by making the metas, we were hoping to cut down the size of the script <joejaxx> ok <superm1> how do you handle shipping the first files for configuring the system in the canonical build process though? <joejaxx> so the artwork and other stuff is packaged ? <superm1> yes <joejaxx> ok cool :) <superm1> well all but one piece is <joejaxx> ok <superm1> let me show you our script <superm1> my question will make more sense <superm1> http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu/annotate/supermario%40portablemario-20070702054002-svmnn1mexy4k1foz?file_id=mythbuntu_install.sh-20070512013830-8pfzx9g2zarg2sxf-12 <joejaxx> oh you mean the config stuff like this? <superm1> yes <superm1> like the first generation of /etc/apt/sources.list and the setting of toe interfaces <superm1> locale <superm1> kernel-img.conf <joejaxx> /etc/xdg/mythtv-ubuntu/gdm/mythbuntu-gdm-noautologin.conf <<EOF << like this <superm1> little things that i realized needed to be configured <joejaxx> hmm <superm1> well stuff like that was going to be part of the metas <superm1> if at all possible <superm1> i'm not sure
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