#ubuntu-beginners 2010-06-01 <j_one_d> Hello. <Phrea> 'lo <Phrea> ok, I have got another stupid question :) <Phrea> if there's anybody left active that is <j_one_d> I'll help if I can <Phrea> what is the difference between su, sudo,, gksu and gksudo ? :) <Phrea> I am VERY much a beginner <Phrea> google knows, but I want a real life answer <j_one_d> Sorry, I don't know. I've always used sudo, never su. * Phrea too <Phrea> but I'd still like to know the difference <Phrea> SAY YOU WILL .. SAY YOU WON'T <Phrea> o, wrong chan :D <j_one_d> sudo is subject to a configuration file, su is not <j_one_d> i think with su, you can't use your own password to run an elevated command. <phillw> su stands for Switch User, if you do not say which user you wish to become, it assumes root. root should be a disabled account. <j_one_d> I also have a small issue. My custom icons aren't, custom anymore. What do I do? <phillw> sudo grants person in the sudo group temporary permissions as the super user (hence the mis-understanding of su which is *not* super user) <phillw> gksudo is needed if you are running a gui application, such as gedit with root privalidges, not using the gk bit can really mess up permissions. gksudo keeps permissions on the profile area and elevates the permissions to be able to alter root owned files, using sudo can really mess up the user who issues the command's own profiles <phillw> j_one_d: a good article is over at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo <j_one_d> Phrea was the one enquiring about sudo vs. su , gksu vs. gksudo, but thank you very much :). <j_one_d> I had more humbler issues. <j_one_d> *humble <phillw> oops :-\ sorry, j_one_d <phillw> and, just to rub it in , I'm no good at doing personlisation, either <j_one_d> personalisation? <jasper_> ok so, trying to install ubuntu 10.04 and we get to where it go to 5% and then it says partition #5 scs1 failed <jasper_> Its an empty drive, if that ihodge@example.net. <jasper_> I dont have a clue why it would be doing this since, i got it on my External hard drive no ihodge@example.net. In the event of that though it ate his vista boot files and he lost vista :( <starcraftman> darn, missed jasper. <ZeRoDeAtH50435> I installed devede but it is not in my app menu <pedro3005> sometimes you have to restart gnome <ZeRoDeAtH50435> ok wanted to check first <geirha> I wonder why that happens <geirha> I open alacarte and toggle the visibility of the menu-option to have it appear <geirha> s/option/item/ <jasper_> how would use chroot to install a driver to a hard drive from the live cd? <stlsaint> jasper_: chroot into system and compile driver for use <jasper_> im new. . lol...that sounds super scary :/ <stlsaint> jasper_: i dont think your new :P <jasper_> the desktop reads the moniter in the live CD, but wont from the HDD install. All we need is to install the driver. >.> <jasper_> semi new haha. <jasper_> Im not terminal friendly <stlsaint> lol...nope...not even semi new <jasper_> So what do you mean? do i download the driver and grab it from the terminal and install it some how? <stlsaint> jasper_: well i have never done a install via chroot myself but if i had to, the method i would use would be the one i have... <stlsaint> jasper_: are you aware of what chroot is? <jasper_> Not really. lmao. <jasper_> I'v been learning by mistakes so im down for anything <stlsaint> jasper_: start here with some basic reading.... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot <jasper_> thank you :) im gonna start seeing what i can do <jasper_> this says [gutsy] <jasper_> should i replace that since im on 10.04? <stlsaint> jasper_: just the basic idea...you can still replace whatever distro you want <jasper_> ok. this is so much haha. <jasper_> I just gotta figure how to get the thing to install on the hdd and im gold xD. <dr4c4n> has anyone run into bug 546992 on xubuntu after lucid lynx and been able to find the hal upgrade in the -proposed sources? <ubot2> Launchpad bug 546992 in hal (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "libhal fails to dbus-activate hal (affects: 23) (dups: 3)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/546992 <stlsaint> jasper_: hows it coming? <jasper_> well we found an easier way <jasper_> kinda <jasper_> if i can get the permission to enter the hard drive from the disk to put something on it, i can just install the driver there <stlsaint> jasper_: the livecd runs as root, thats all you need...just mount that drive and do wahts needed <jasper_> but it says the permission of "Blah blah insert title of it here" could not be determined <jasper_> it wont let him paste or move anything inside the HDD <stlsaint> mount it manually <jasper_> i have no idea how <jasper_> It's already mounted as far as i knew <jasper_> hah <jasper_> it's on his desktop <stlsaint> if its on the desktop than its mounting...you should be able to do what you need to <stlsaint> jasper_: even moreso you can run: sudo nautilus from the terminal <jasper_> ok im gonna try this "nautilus" <jasper_> but i have no idea why it wont let him copy anything anywhere but the desktop lols <stlsaint> run the nautilus command to be able to move, copy paste etc <jasper_> yeah i just opened it. <jasper_> about to try it. <jasper_> now we did that, do you have to save it or anything, or is there for good now? <stlsaint> jasper_: save what? <jasper_> never mind i had a brainfart <jasper_> ok so we installed the driver, but when linux starts to load off the HDD the moniter just switches to HDMI 2 and never show's linux, but you can hear it. <jasper_> HDMI 2 is where the screen is and all, but idk <jasper_> im about to just find a way to put vista back on that comp <collinp> Huh. <stlsaint> ok, starting from the beginneing...why are you starting off with an hdmi <stlsaint> jasper_: does the generic driver work just fine?? <jasper_> because its the only thing his computer came with <collinp> *sigh* <collinp> Is it a nVidia chipset? <jasper_> yeah i beleive so <jasper_> Yes. <jasper_> lol <collinp> There should be support for the HDMI port with the proprietary drivers, then. <jasper_> Well we could do wonders if we could see the screen from anywhere but the live disk haha. <stlsaint> jasper_: so after you install ubuntu directly to the hdd do you see the screen? <jasper_> All we see is the black screen with the flashing cursor <collinp> Ctrl + Alt + F1 <jasper_> then the screen goes black and gives in input <jasper_> whats that do? <dr4c4n> I'm having trouble with automount and random unmounting <collinp> That'll switch you to a virtual terminal login. <jasper_> ok ill give it a shot <jasper_> im restarting right now <collinp> stlsaint: Have they installed the nVidia proprietary drivers yet? <jasper_> I dont beleive so, the only time we can actually see the screen is when we are running the Live CD <stlsaint> collinp: nope <collinp> Ok. <stlsaint> collinp: from what i got they installed to the hdd and now the screen doesnt show anything <collinp> That's odd. <stlsaint> collinp: never got a chance to install anything else, yes very odd...they said from the livecd they can see everything as needed <jasper_> yep ihodge@example.net. <jasper_> hell i'd let you link up to the computer and check it out if i new how haha. <collinp> Ok. So, when you hear the little sound that's played when you hit the login screen, press Crtl + Alt + F1 (at the same time), and tell me if you can see anything there. <jasper_> nothing yet <jasper_> nope, the tv is just black with the input on it. <stlsaint> jasper_: what imput? <jasper_> HDMI 2 <jasper_> thats the input of is computer to the moniter lol <collinp> Hrm. <stlsaint> you dont have vga connection? <jasper_> None :/ <stlsaint> what type of laptop is this? <jasper_> Desktop <jasper_> uhm lemme look <jasper_> its an HP paviliion media center m8530f pc <jasper_> 9300 GE nvidia graphics card <jasper_> my bad on the vga, it has digital outputs or whatever, and the graphics card has HDMI <stlsaint> do you have the dvi-vga adapter that came with the system <jasper_> yes <stlsaint> vga cable? <jasper_> we have a cable, but the only moniter for some reason wont even show bios <jasper_> wont read the output at all <Dennis77515> hi <stlsaint> Dennis77515: hey <jasper_> This is all my fault too :( <Dennis77515> i wanted to regester this nic <stlsaint> jasper_: the issu is that you must install the propietary driver...just have to find a way to get that output showing <Dennis77515> im a beginner for sure lol:-D <jasper_> so if i got say, a junk moniter and hooked it up with the adapter, it would show? <stlsaint> a vga monitor with that adapter should get you some picture <jasper_> ok <jasper_> well currently the only vga moniter i have is my laptop haha. <jasper_> and i dont think that will work <jasper_> unless there were a way for it to pick up the signal <jasper_> but i thought it was just an output so hell if i know <jasper_> you know i just realized something <jasper_> the digital thing that came with it <jasper_> wont plug into the digital on the motherboard <jasper_> theres a tab on it, on the male side with 4 prongs 2 on each side, and the mobo has a female slot for the tab, but not the 4 prongs <jasper_> thanks for your help guy's :D <jasper_> ill just have to buy him a new cable <summers> i would like to invite everyone to my new ubuntu channel, #ubuntu-faggots <summers> +o for everyone <collinp> Uh. <ZachK_> collinp: Uh what <collinp> That works. <iantlopp> how can I change filetype associations? I'm trying to get VLC to play all media types. <iantlopp> also, is there any way to have a windows program (through wine) be associated with filetypes? <Dizkonnekted> !defaultapp | iantlopp <ubot2> iantlopp: To change the default application for a filetype in Nautilus, right-click on a file, select Properties -> Open With, and then change the setting. <bin10101> I have an odd problem, I installed tomato on my wireless router and setup WPA2 personal with TKIP/AES and now ubuntu can't seem to attach to it....Any ideas why? Windows XP and Macos clients seem to attach fine. <bin10101> the connection says WPA/WPA2 Personal and then I enter the passphrase....it keeps trying, but never connects <bin10101> sorry, that would be 10.4, fully updated, on a Dell e6500 <bin10101> wow, it wouldnt connect to a open neighbor's wireless either, something new? <bin10101> any ideas? <holstein> hmmm <holstein> i would try like you have <holstein> connecting to an open network <bin10101> that's what I said holstein: LOL <holstein> i would probably test with mine open too <holstein> and then start looking at the hardware on the laptop <bin10101> good point <holstein> you can try connecting to the box with an ubuntu live CD from the other computers <holstein> to rule out lucid not connecting to tomato <bin10101> yeah <holstein> what are the chances though right? <bin10101> exactly <holstein> good luck <bin10101> thanks <holstein> i think you got some trouble shooting to do <bin10101> holstein: too weird <bin10101> it connects fine in the other room <bin10101> and stays connected ifI walk back into this room :) <bin10101> it just cant connect <holstein> hmmm <holstein> i had to mess with the settings <holstein> when i did ddwrt <bin10101> which settings <holstein> nothing thats going to help you <bin10101> LOL <holstein> frame-bursting i want to say <holstein> for my roku streaming video box <holstein> it was impossible to watch <bin10101> :) <holstein> and i was throttle-ing bandwidth to it <holstein> didnt help <holstein> i just kept fiddle-ing with it <holstein> and now its great, and stable <bin10101> can you force nvidia to re scan for monitors like it does at boot, for when you put a laptop on the docking station? <mcw> lo there <mcw> anybody home? <paultag> sup mcw <paultag> mcw, most of the time you have to wait for someone to see the message :) <mcw> not much <paultag> mcw, I just so happened to be looking ;) <mcw> had to reinstall a couple of times <paultag> mcw, kk, 10.04 ? <mcw> got a terabyte finally <mcw> yes <paultag> nice :) <mcw> lucid lynx baby!!! <paultag> hell yeah :) <mcw> and my old 160 will be for music pics backup <paultag> yup <paultag> so, any issues with the install mcw? <mcw> no just compiz extras <mcw> I like the fire <mcw> I had to add them in terminal <paultag> ah, yup <mcw> oops I gotta go appointment see you later <paultag> Well that was _AWESOME_ <Dizkonnekted> lol <paultag> Dizkonnekted, I was totally expecting someone needing help <Dizkonnekted> paultag, yeah i was wondering when he would get to the point myself lol <paultag> Dizkonnekted, aye :) <Dizkonnekted> i guess a little ubuntu praise doesnt do any harm either ;) <paultag> Hell no! <drubin> heheh <paultag> hey drubin :) <paultag> drubin, howdy doodie? <drubin> How goes? <paultag> drubin, not bad, how are you? <drubin> paultag: I am about to go home will be back online in +- 20mins depending on things and stuff <paultag> drubin, kk <paultag> drubin, safe travels :) <drubin> need to be back before meeting later <drubin> paultag: thanks check you soon <paultag> drubin, there is no meeting <paultag> drubin, don't rush <paultag> drubin, it's the second tues <drubin> paultag: not bt meetings <paultag> drubin, OK, kk <paultag> drubin, later! <drubin> loco team meeting now isn't it? <drubin> paultag: &^ <paultag> OH SHIT <collinp> OH SHIT <paultag> drubin, 30 minutes, me thinks <paultag> dragondon, thank christ for reminding me <drubin> :0 <drubin> i was just looking at the fridge. <paultag> drubin, ok, wow <paultag> drubin, you are right. No council member is around, and no one is in locoteams <paultag> drubin, this is a shitmess. I need to remove that event. <paultag> drubin, thank you <drubin> lolz bt meeting spans 5 days <drubin> ok but now I really need to get out <collinp> Speaking of the fridge. <paultag> drubin, leave! <drubin> cheers <paultag> drubin, :) <paultag> what up collinp <collinp> Could someone look on June 13th and tell me if they see a meeting titled "Ubuntu Forums Unanswered Posts Team Meeting"? <collinp> I don't have FF open currently. <paultag> nothing ChanServ <paultag> erm collinp <paultag> damnit xchat <collinp> Hrm. Damn. <collinp> Apparently the Fridge isn't liking the meeting I schedule. <nhandler> collinp: Did you follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/Calendar ? <collinp> nhandler: Yeah. To the letter, I triple-checked before I saved it. <nhandler> Ah, check now. It should be up <collinp> Still not seeing it. <collinp> I'm seeing a multi-day UBT meeting, though. <drubin> paultag: change your default tab complection <nhandler> collinp: Can you re-add it once more? <paultag> drubin, already done * nhandler accidentally deleted it <collinp> LOL. <collinp> Ok, hang on, let me open Firefox. <collinp> In other news: Cappuccino baby. <bin10101> does ubuntu 10.4 keep a cache of the hardware configs it has seen? like laptop, laptop on port replicator x, laptop on port replicator y? <collinp> I believe it logs those, yes. <bin10101> I am wondering why it is trying to setup automagically like I would have it setup at work vs realizing my setup at the house is different, is there a way to make it slow poll each time vs take cache? Or I guess it could get that info from the bios, it senses these things too, right? <paultag> bin10101, do you have a bit of unique hardware that signifies you are either at work or at home? <collinp> Your computer is apparently configured for your ihodge@example.net. I don't know how you can change that on the fly. <paultag> bin10101, such as a USB device that you will always have in ( keyboard etc ) at work <bin10101> paultag: well it is two different port replicators <paultag> bin10101, are they hooked up via USB? <bin10101> same keyboard :(, different mouse though <paultag> OK <bin10101> yes <paultag> bin10101, well, use `lsusb` and | grep for the device ID <bin10101> okay <paultag> bin10101, ( on boot or something ) <paultag> bin10101, and then swap the home dir depending on where you are <paultag> bin10101, you can do that via /etc/password for a quick-and-dirty script <paultag> sorry <paultag> passwd <bin10101> cool <bin10101> what is that called, can I google that technique? <paultag> bin10101, have /home/bin10101 for home, and /home/bin10101-work <paultag> bin10101, Nope, I just came up with that <bin10101> :)...LOL <bin10101> okay, I will try that <paultag> bin10101, sure. I'll be here if you need more details or something <drubin> don't edit /etc/passwd directly <paultag> drubin, you can write a script to sed the home directory <paultag> drubin, it's not that big of a deal as long as you have a backup account <drubin> paultag: usermod -d <paultag> drubin, damn, great move <paultag> bin10101, drubin is right. use usermod <paultag> drubin, thanks <3 <drubin> paultag: :) sed on /etc/passwd is a mess up waiting to happen * drubin knows <paultag> aye <bin10101> ok, np <talvigi> hay guys this Hanif balohc <talvigi> i need help on gnome-ppp <talvigi> can somebody help please <hobgoblin> talvigi: ask the question - if someone can answer they will - unless you already have and they haven't ;) <collinp> I've got a person coming in from another network - standby. <hobgoblin> do we have to salute? <collinp> Well, no. Just expect them :P. <hobgoblin> oh good :) <talvigi> hobgoblin thanks i have been asking in #ubuntu, someone told to cross my wvdial gnome ppp but i dont kknow how to do this <angus> i have a problem accessing my network using nautilus <angus> if i open nautlius and select network <angus> then windows network <hobgoblin> talvigi: neither do I, I'm afraid - in fact I've never heard of it <collinp> Bingo. <angus> i get an error saying unable to mount share locaion <angus> failed to retrieve share list from server <angus> can anyone help? <Chesamo> angus: Have you tried manually mounting the share via smb://ip.add.ress/sharename ? <angus> no <angus> it isn't set up as a samba share <angus> i don't think <angus> it's just my local network <collinp> dtwrites: There's people in here that can help you with your issue better than I currently can. And I'm off to edit wiki pages. <Chesamo> angus: Samba is the protocol through which Linux accesses Windows shares. <dtwrites> Good luck, collinp. Thanks again. <collinp> No problem-o. <angus> ok <angus> i don't know the ip address either i'm afraid <Chesamo> Can you find it out? <angus> i don't know how <angus> it's my wireless router <angus> and that's all i know <Chesamo> angus: On the Windows machine, open up a command prompt and type "ipconfig /all" and the first IP will be the one you want <angus> ok <angus> thank you <angus> i can't do that for i while <angus> but once i o i will return <Chesamo> angus: fair enough. Just as long as you know an alternate method. <dtwrites> This morning I started up my computer and ubuntu ran fine. When I came back this afternoon to start my computer, ubuntu ignores my internet connection. Any clues what happened? <dtwrites> I'm using my Mac OS to log on and it seems to run fine. <Chesamo> dtwrites: Is it an Apple machine? <dtwrites> Yes, an old eMac <dtwrites> I've been using ubuntu very nicely for about 3-months now. <dtwrites> I've had problems getting sound to work, but that was it. <dtwrites> I'm not sure, since it's an old machine, I should have updated my ubuntu. But I did. <dtwrites> My processor is a 1 GHz PowerPC G4 (if that helps) <Chesamo> Hm... <talvigi> guys i was asking if any body can help me with the gnome ppp problem. it does not connect while wvdial connects <Chesamo> dtwrites: When you boot into Ubuntu, what do you mean it "ignores your Internet connection"? It doesn't recognize it? <dtwrites> It says "network disabled" up in the right corner. and ff says "working off-line" <dtwrites> I try turning it off, but that does not seem to work. <Chesamo> dtwrites: Network "disabled"? Hmmmm.... <dtwrites> If it were hardware I would not be discussing this with you now. <dtwrites> The only thing I did this morning was check emails. So I don't think I messed up anything. <Chesamo> dtwrites: Wired or wireless? <dtwrites> Wired <lukjad> dtwrites: Have you been able to confirm you have network access to your router? <dtwrites> lukjad, I'm not sure what you mean by that, but I'm using my computer in a different software now. <dtwrites> Would it make a difference in ubuntu? <lukjad> What I mean is, have you been able to connect to the internet or your router in say, windows? <dtwrites> Yes... I'm using the same hardware in Mac 10.3 now that I was using in ubuntu. <Chesamo> 10.3? Panther? Really? <dtwrites> It's an old machine, I can't find Tiger and it doesn't have enough "juice" to run Leopard <dtwrites> I had to do some digging to find an ubuntu that would run on this machine, that's how I met collin <Chesamo> Can't find Tiger? *coughcoughtorrentscough* <collinp> :) <wangb> hi, I'm new here. Have anybody used RNAMotif software? <dtwrites> Yes, I understand that Chesamo. <dtwrites> What I want is to use ubuntu and delete the mac stuff. <Chesamo> dtwrites: I think I did that on an old iMac G3 once... <dtwrites> I've one of those too, but I don't use it on the internet. =) <dtwrites> If I have to, I'll scrap what I have and start over, but I'd rather find an easier way. <collinp> dtwrites: Solved your problem yet? <wangb> I was trying to install RNAMotif-3.0.7 on my Linux laptop. The error massage showed up. Could anyone help me figure out what's the problem? Thanks! <Chesamo> wangb: What error message? <wangb> unin@admin-laptop:~$ cd rnamotif-3.0.7 <wangb> kunin@admin-laptop:~/rnamotif-3.0.7$ dir <wangb> config.h doc iupac.codes README src <wangb> COPYING.GNU efndata Makefile revision.history test <wangb> kunin@admin-laptop:~/rnamotif-3.0.7$ cd src <wangb> kunin@admin-laptop:~/rnamotif-3.0.7/src$ make <wangb> bison -y -d -v -t rmgrm.y <wangb> make: bison: Command not found <wangb> make: *** [y.tab.h] Error 127 <collinp> !paste <ubot2> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. <Chesamo> ...."dir"? <Chesamo> You a Windows convert? <wangb> this laptop has both windows and linux <Chesamo> wangb: For your future reference, the correct command in Linux is "ls", not "dir" <Chesamo> wangb: "dir" works to help people transition to Linux ;-) Anyway. To your problem. <wangb> thanks. <Chesamo> wangb: try sudo aptitude install bison <Chesamo> wangb: then do make again <dtwrites> Not yet, collin, but I've a radical idea. <collinp> rad. <Chesamo> Groovy. <dtwrites> I didn't start having problems until my last upgrade. <dtwrites> I've got a program that says "it will take software back to it's last version." <dtwrites> "bootstrap?" <dtwrites> At this point I have nothing to lose but time. <dtwrites> See you later, I hope. <tediseasy> Getting a grub error 21 (selected disk does not exist), was having booting problems before but it doesn't even go as far as where it was hanging before--the "Starting Up..." screen. I've been reading reading reading but still don't know where to go from here. Running off a LiveCD 8.04, but partitions were current on updates (Lucid?). Halp? <holstein> hmmm <holstein> tediseasy: can you get a lucid live cd? <holstein> im not sure about recovering grub2 with a hardy live cd <holstein> !grub2 <ubot2> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Karmic. For more information and troubleshooting on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2 <tediseasy> It's conceivable I could d/l and burn one today... eventually. <holstein> that should tell you about recovering grub <holstein> COULD be as easy as running sudo update-grub /dev/whatever <tediseasy> printed holstein, thanks. <holstein> from a live CD <holstein> with grub2 <holstein> not sure though <tediseasy> is that something I could try without muffing things further? <holstein> hmmm <holstein> i would read that link first <holstein> and decide <holstein> you probably cant break it anymore <holstein> and in theory, grub is always recoveralbe <tediseasy> Have /home backed up. Am not attached to current partitions... <holstein> you could also try something like http://gag.sourceforge.net/ <holstein> last time i looked at gag <holstein> you could use it without installing it <holstein> could get you in without changing anything <tediseasy> Groovy. Reading, working on a Lucid LiveCD, will bbl. Thanks! <holstein> tediseasy: good luck :) <tediseasy> I can make a bootable usb flash drive, right? <tediseasy> (burner occupied by current LiveCD install, heh) <tediseasy> OK, wait. If I'm running GRUB 0.97 (probably from attempting a new install on another drive from this disc), which I am, would it make sense to update to GRUB2? <tediseasy> Sorry for the flood of q's. <jokus> Hi, Is it possible to boot Ubuntu from Win XP bootloader without using Wubi ? <holstein> jokus: what are you tying to do? <holstein> you want to keep the windows bootloader? <jokus> Yup <jokus> I want to keep the windows bootloader and boot Ubuntu from it. <holstein> i would ask in #windows ;) <holstein> i bet you can <jokus> I tried a few methods, but does not seem to work ! <jokus> I keep getting the blank screen with cursor blinking. :) <holstein> something like http://gag.sourceforge.net/ not going to work for you? <lukjad86> jokus There should be a way, but out of curiosity, why do you need the windows bootloader? <holstein> ive only ever gone the other way <holstein> grub booting win and others <jokus> Well, the machine is not really mine, so would like to keep it intact, when I leave, no traces of any ubuntu :) ! <holstein> wubi might be the way to go then <holstein> you can always run fixmbr <holstein> from a windows disc <holstein> later <holstein> to restore <jokus> Some people suggested Wubi is not a permanent workaround. fixmbr would work, but the install media will not be around all the time ! :) <phillw> there used to be a file called boot.ini for windows that you could alter similarly to grub legacy, but idk if it is still there / what its replacement is. <jokus> Well here is what I did or rather tried. I had unallocated space left on my hdd. Booted the 10.04LTS cd, chose manual partition during the install, made a ext4 partition from the unallocated space, made it primary, also made another swap partition, then chose to install bootloader on this particular partition, completed the install. <jokus> Now booted up the Ubuntu cd again, chose the live CD this time, mounted that ext4 partition, copied the 512bytes to usb. Rebooted to windows and copied it to C:\ and made an entry for it in the boot.ini. <jokus> But when I chose ubuntu from the bootmenu, only a blank screen with cursor blinking ! <Riiiis> hey <Riiiis> hi, i've just downloaded ubuntu 10.04 32bit and are trying to install it. but when i get to step 4, Prepare partitions, it doesnt show me any ihodge@example.net... <bobo123> no harddisks at all to make a partition on? <Riiiis> nope <Riiiis> and there is one it the box <Riiiis> if i skip the installation and go to the live system i can see it and "edit" it <Riiiis> and i can boot on the system on the disk already <bobo123> hmm.. strange that you can use the disk from the livecd but not from the installer <Riiiis> yes <Riiiis> it seems so #ubuntu-beginners 2010-06-02 <Riiiis> from "lspci" i get (copied by hand): IDE Interface: Intel Corporation 82801DB (ICH4) IDE Controller <Riiiis> that doesnt seem like a special piece of hardware at all <Riiiis> and i can fdisk /dev/sda too... weird <bobo123> if you run Gparted from the livecd, is it there then? (I don't remember if it is on the cd or if you have to get the package but it ends up in System-Administartion menu) <Riiiis> bobo123, yeah it is <Riiiis> btw should i install LTS version or regular ? whats the differences ? <bobo123> LTS means that you don't have to worry about installing a new version of ubuntu so soon <Riiiis> bobo123, ok, is there any drwabacks ? for experienced users .. ? <collinp> LTS stands for Long Term Support - means that the release will get updates for a longer period of time than a normal release. <collinp> LTS releases are also not changed as much as normal releases. <bobo123> a LTS version (like ubuntu10.04) is supported in 5 years I think, but a normal is forgotten after one... or something... don't remember the correct numbers <Riiiis> ok <bobo123> right now 10.04 is the best anyway, but if you had asked later this year when ubuntu10.10 is released "it would depend" so to speak :-) <bobo123> hmm.. was that "perfect futurum" gramatically? <collinp> No release is "better" than another. Some include new features, some make changes, etc. <collinp> LTS releases are more often used in commercial applications due to their longer supported status. <bobo123> anyway when you tried to install it, did you do it from the first menu "install ubuntu" or from the livecd desktop? <Riiiis> i tried from the install ubuntu menu <phillw> jokus: you might want to have a look at Section 2 of http://www.matthewjmiller.net/howtos/dual-boot-linux-and-windows/ that details how to tweak boot.ini with XP <bobo123> Riiiis: you could perhaps try the other way I guess... it seems noone here have a good answer right now why the installer don't find your disk.... or ask at #ubuntu allso <Riiiis> i tried #ubuntu first.. but they are REALLY busy over there :-) <Riiiis> yeah ill try that <bobo123> Riiiis: only thing I can think of is that you disk is not partitioned normally, but instead is like a floppy disk (only one filesystem but not partitioned sort of), but that is not normal... <Riiiis> i can remove all partitions from gparted and try again <bobo123> Riiiis: yeah I know, #ubuntu is hard to use with all people coming and going. <bobo123> yeah try that <Riiiis> but thanks anyway :-) <bobo123> Now, what was it i was about to ask.... <jokus> phillw : Actually I did try something like that on my machine , but doesn't seem to work. <jokus> Have put up a query on the ubuntu forums as well - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1498814 , if anyone wants to have a look. :) <phillw> it's a very long time since i went anywhere near boot.ini (like win98) - one of the problems is that win can not 'see' ext3 (without tools) and pretty much baffled with ext4. I think the idea of putting a bin file on may actually work for you. <phillw> jokus: you could always just put grub on, and get it to default to Win if no key pressed in 10 seconds, instead of defaulting to Ubuntu? <bobo123> I think boot.ini is in win2000 and later though... <jokus> thanks folks <bobo123> what is most 'hardware-near' of alsa and oss? <bobo123> like least amount of indirection between me and my soundblaster live soundcard? <funkyHat> bobo123: they are probably roughly equivalent in that regard <holstein> bobo123: what are you trying to do? <holstein> check out http://jackaudio.org/ <bobo123> well I was just thinking.... <holstein> if your interested in low latency pro-audio <bobo123> I was trying to use pasuspender the other day to save some cpu% for my videoplaying but then alsa didn't seem to work, but oss did <holstein> gotcha <holstein> qjackctl is the gui for JACK that i use <holstein> when its launched <holstein> PA is suspended <bobo123> jack is even more further away from the hardware "a.k.a. smarter" than pulseaudio, right? <holstein> hmm <holstein> i guess it depends on how you look at it <holstein> if your wanting to listen to web content <holstein> and have a 'normal' desktop experience <holstein> JACK is probably not there yet <holstein> theres some guys working on it <holstein> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/ <holstein> this is a KDE distro being developed <holstein> the idea is that JACK starts at login <bobo123> I guess no alsa is running by default on my ubuntuinstallation, it is just pulseaudio that accepts alsa-commands too from the programs, but oss is really running? (since oss works when pulseadio is off) <holstein> and all pulse audio is routed through JACK <holstein> BUT its still rough around the edges <holstein> bobo123: good question <holstein> AFAIK oss is running <holstein> but im not sure * bobo123 longs back to the dos-days when all soundcards were soundblasters and all software talked directly to the soundcard without any drivers or middleman... <mininessie> i upgraded to ubuntu 10.10 now i don't have my minimize maximize close buttons <holstein> try #ubuntu+1 <holstein> you could look in gconf-editor <ZeRoDeAtH50435> the http protocol was not listed in my network connection protocol list, so how is my computer able to access http Web pages without this in the list? <ayorke69> test? <ZeRoDeAtH50435> assignment <ZeRoDeAtH50435> question <ayorke69> Does anyone know what "Could not connect to archive.getdeb.net:80 +1-203-976-2548)" means? <pleia2> ayorke69: you're using archive.getdeb.net to get some packages, and your computer is unable to connect (maybe it's down?) <pleia2> ZeRoDeAtH50435: I think the list you're looking at is just for connections to be made through the file manager? you want to use a web browser to actually connect to web pages <ayorke69> This has been going on for 7 days, is archive.getdeb.net a web site with updates on it? <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah <pleia2> ayorke69: getdeb.net has some packages on it, yes, open up your package manager and look at which "sources" you're using <ayorke69> The update manager would fail, and then when I tried to access it from the terminal, I got the error code I quoted. <ayorke69> Ok, I will try examining the package manager, please excuse my ignorance. <pleia2> no need to apologize, that's why we're here :) <ayorke69> Thank you for your help all. <ayorke69> Is the update manager a simple front end for the package manager? <paultag> ayorke69, yeah <paultag> ayorke69, the package manager ( apt ) is command line based. It has an update function that the update manager implements in a GUI <ayorke69> So by disconnecting the problem resource in the package manager, that would explain why the update manager now works properly, correct? <paultag> ayorke69, sure would! <paultag> ayorke69, apt has a lock file so you can't fsck stuff up with race conditions <ayorke69> Thank you for your help, and thank you to the previous folks who helped as well..., race conditions are a bit beyond me at this point. <paultag> ayorke69, it's a programming term :P <paultag> ayorke69, it just says "Don't do two things at once because the first one can mess up the second one by doing it's job" <paultag> ayorke69, like driving a car and shooting a gun. Both are "safe" if done alone, but run both at once, and you have a problem <ayorke69> Right now I'm just estatic that I can give windows the "boot" Thank you Paultag, good analogy shooting guns and driving cars, (fun to do though). <paultag> ayorke69, so is installing two things at once ;) <paultag> ayorke69, well that's good to hear. We are here most of the time, c'mon back if you have any other issues <ayorke69> Bye folks. <paultag> laters <tdn> I hope you can help. I have just installed the new nouveau driver from ppa:xorg-edgers. Now X does not work. How can I revert back to the state from before installing the ppa? <ddecator> are you able to boot into a terminal? <tdn> ddecator, yes. <tdn> ddecator, I am root at the console now. <tdn> ddecator, what to do? <ddecator> try removing xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, then edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove that ppa, then run 'sudo apt-get update', then install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau again. that _should_ (if i'm right) give you the default version again instead of the PPA version <tdn> ddecator, I'll try. Thanks. <ddecator> let me know if you need the specific commands for any of that :) <ddecator> tdn: no problem <tdn> ddecator, however, I partly remember something about ppa-purge? <tdn> ddecator, I think the PPA-site mentioned that I should use ppa-purge. But I cannot see the site without X. <ddecator> tdn: i've never heard of it personally. let me look it up <tdn> ddecator, thanks. <ddecator> tdn: "If you are upgrading from one release to another and are using this PPA, be sure to install ppa-purge and use it to downgrade all of this PPA's packages before the upgrade or you will have a broken system" <tdn> ddecator, ok. I am not upgrading. <ddecator> tdn: "To revert to official packages, you can install the ppa-purge package and run "sudo ppa-purge xorg-edgers"" <ddecator> that looks more like what you want to do ^ <tdn> ddecator, ok. Thanks. <tdn> ddecator, so I should NOT remove ppa from sources.list beforehand? <ddecator> tdn: not at this point. try the ppa-purge method first since there may be other packages that need to be downgraded for things to work <tdn> Ok. <tdn> ddecator, thanks. I'll see if it works. <ddecator> tdn: no problem. good luck :) <tdn> ddecator, it worked. Thanks a lot. <shahan> Nvidia driver problem on LInux MInt <shahan> as Linux Mint and UBUNTU is almost same, I am asking the issue occoured with Linux Mint <shahan> problem is with the LINUX MINT 9 <shahan> NVIDIA VGA <ZachK_> shahan: stop <ZachK_> shahan: you asked the question once...if someone knows they will answer you...no need to continue the question <shahan> ZachK_: !!!! <ZachK_> !patience | shahan <ubot2> shahan: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org while you wait. <ZachK_> shahan: i will see what i can find...meanwhile please try to explain the issue you're having... <shahan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/443224/ <ZachK_> shahan: take a look at this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual <shahan> ZachK_: ok <bobo123> hello, I want my fat32-partition to be mounted directly when I start ubuntu instead of waiting until I use it. If I understand correctly I can't do that with the gui but should write a line in /etc/fstab instead <bobo123> When ubuntu mount the partition when-used it looks like "/dev/sda2 on /media/D type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,flush)", so I guess I should have the same options in /etc/fstab, right? <bobo123> I do want to know what I am doing though, what the options mean so I have read man mount but some things are not explained too well in it.... and *why* ubuntu these options (that it not the default according to man mount) <bobo123> why do it have "utf8=1" ? the explanation "UTF8 is is used by the console. It can be be enabled for the filesystem with this option" doesn't say much. what the console use have nothing to do with the filesystem (and is set in a menu in the terminal program), and fat32 don't ever use utf8 because the unicode characters in fat32 uses 16bit unicode in a way that is specified by the fat32 standard.... <bobo123> (and the 8+3 short names can't use utf8 either, since they use an ibm 8bit encoding, normaly IBM437) <bobo123> so do anyone know what the this fat32 mount option is/do ? <phillw> hi bobo123 take a look at http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/mountwindowsfstab <phillw> that will explain things for you. <bobo123> ok I look at that <bobo123> hmm.. good page but I'm not sure it explains my question about utf8 though.... <phillw> windows can only 'see' 8 +3 characters, so longer file names would be truncated (shortened), if you need Win support, then you may want to stick to the 8+3, if you're just using linux, then you can use the utf8 for longer names. <phillw> bobo123: and you'd like to give yourself a headache, you can have a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=938444 <phillw> ;-0 <phillw> ;-) <Chesamo> phillw: Are you talking about FAT16? Because the long filename restriction was lifted in FAT32. <phillw> Chesamo: i guess it depends how far back you need to go with support, I only use ext4 and ntfs these days, but the op wanted to know why utf8 was being used. http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5911771&postcount=2 has more resources on the pros and cons of using utf8 <Chesamo> phillw: Ah, you mean in the filename encoding. Gotcha. <phillw> 16 bit unicode, was I think case insensitive, hence the possiblility of things going awry if you use utf8 - but I'm no expert on fat32 ;-) <bobo123> yeah I use windows (and dos) too, and really like fat32. it is nice and clean, no ownership of files and such things. only bad with fat32 is that a file can't be larger than 4GB (sure FAT+ allows larger but only DRDOS support it yet) <shahan> need a multimedia converter for convert mkv to mp3, flv to mp3 etc. <Chesamo> shahan: Looked into ffmpeg? <Chesamo> shahan: Also VLC Media Player can (relatively losslessly) convert files by streaming their output to an encoder. <phillw> there are a couple of ways to access ext2/ext3 from windows http://www.howtoforge.com/access-linux-partitions-from-windows covers three of them but there seems little hope for a dos system to do so. <phillw> as far as i am aware, ext4 is still not accessable from Win - but i've not had too much to do with win since vista was launched <bobo123> if I understand right the option UTF8=1 means that the vfat-driver pretends/says to the system that it using utf8 so it can do the work to convert to 16bit unicode + uppercase 8bit IBM437 dosnames itself instead of the system..... or something <bobo123> btw, perhaps NTFS partitions are mount with wrong options when it mount automaticly... NTFS isn't supposed to allow a file "TEst" and "tESt" in same directory <Chesamo> bobo123: Filenames are case sensitive in NTFS. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/100625 <switchgirl> hi i am running ubuntu 10.04 and wish to add Liferea to the indicator applet how might i do this? xposted <Chesamo> switchgirl: Which indicator applet do you have up? inducator-applet or indicator-applet-session? <switchgirl> Indicator Applet 0.3.7 <Chesamo> switchgirl: Do you have the Notification Area on your Panel? <Chesamo> switchgirl: Unless, do you mean the Messaging menu in the indicator-applet? The little envelope? Do you want Liferea to go there? <switchgirl> yeah the little envolope <Chesamo> switchgirl: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/add-lifrea-feed-reader-to-messaging.html <switchgirl> ahhhh ok :) trying that now thanks <paultag> switchgirl, long thyme no see <kaushal> I am running Ubuntu 10.04 Desktop, X freezes and i get the message in dmesg +1-203-976-2548] [drm:drm_mode_getfb] *ERROR* invalid framebuffer id <kaushal> My video card is 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c) <kaushal> Please suggest <Chesamo> kaushal: It looks like a bug in the Intel xorg. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/523027 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 523027 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "DRM Framebuffer crash; invalid framebuffer id; Thinkpads with Intel X4500HD (affects: 12) (heat: 76)" [Undecided,Confirmed] <Chesamo> That. Yes. <kaushal> Chesamo, so no fix for it ? <Chesamo> kaushal: None yet. <kaushal> ok <kaushal> Chesamo, how did you find this bug ? <kaushal> curious to know <Chesamo> kaushal: I google'd for "*ERROR* invalid framebuffer id xorg" <kaushal> I have posted it to xorg mailing list too <kaushal> will that help ? <Chesamo> kaushal: Probably. As it stands, try booting into failsafe mode and seeing if an update will do the trick. <kaushal> Chesamo, its uptodate <Chesamo> kaushal: Oh. It was worth a shot. <kaushal> I have ran sudo apt-get update and dist-upgrade <kaushal> it didnot include the xserver-xorg-video-intel package <Chesamo> kaushal: Yeah, I expected as much. <kaushal> Chesamo, so i have to live with it ? <Chesamo> kaushal: I'm trying to think if there's a way to run xorg in generic mode... just without hardware drivers. I'm pretty sure there is, but I don't remember how. <kaushal> Chesamo, so its really dissatisfactory using the latest release 10.04 <kaushal> I was under the impression it was suppose to be good <kaushal> but it has not met my expectation <Chesamo> kaushal: Some things get better, some things break. Linux is a modular operating system. Sometimes certain modules have bugs. <Chesamo> kaushal: Ubuntu isn't like Windows; it's not a single team writing everything. Xorg has its own team, as does the Intel driver. <kaushal> since i am running 10.04 on a production laptop <kaushal> the productivity is lost <Chesamo> kaushal: Then downgrade. <kaushal> Chesamo, its a stupid idea <paultag> kaushal, Chesamo is not the one with the issue <paultag> kaushal, Chesamo is not being paid to help you, and he is doing his best. Please do not use such language <paultag> kaushal, try a sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh <Chesamo> kaushal: If the current version has a bug, and that bug is preventing you from getting your work done, then the best option is to downgrade to a version that DOES work. That's how it's always been in computing. <kaushal> Chesamo, ok <paultag> Chesamo, +1 <paultag> Chesamo, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh <paultag> Chesamo, that might help a bit :) <kaushal> Chesamo, is it worth trying to email the xorg mailing list ? <Chesamo> kaushal: I'd normally say "it can't hurt", but the bug's already listed on LaunchPad, so I'm not sure if that would help. Adding your specs to the bug page (above) would definitely help, though. <kaushal> Chesamo, Thanks and appreciate it <kaushal> paultag, Thanks always <paultag> cheers <kaushal> Chesamo, what exactly i need to add the specs <kaushal> on that bug page <Chesamo> kaushal: Your laptop's model number and the graphics card. The output you pasted above is sufficient. <paultag> kaushal, lshw > hardware <paultag> kaushal, and attach "hardware" to the bug report <paultag> kaushal, don't forget a sudo <kaushal> sure <kaushal> Also I have upgraded the physical ram to 4 GB so to address all the physical ram I have installed pae kernel <kaushal> but the network connectivity is broken <kaushal> How do i address it <kaushal> This issue was from my internal customer <kaushal> Any clues ? <Chesamo> kaushal: I'm not sure what you mean... you mean a 32-bit system with PAE? If that's the case, why not convert to 64-bit? <kaushal> Chesamo, yes <kaushal> a 32 bit system with PAE <kaushal> how do i convert it to 64 Bit <Chesamo> kaushal: You'd need to reinstall <kaushal> can a 64 Bit Ubuntu Linux 10.04 OS be installed on a 32 Bit hardware ? <Chesamo> kaushal: What processor? <kaushal> Core 2 duo <Chesamo> kaushal: The core 2 duo is a 64-bit processor <kaushal> ok <kaushal> Thanks Chesamo <kaushal> Any other workaround ? <kaushal> to get the network connector running ? <Chesamo> kaushal: My guess? upgrade the network module. But I don't remember how to specify that. <kaushal> ok <dtwrites> I've installed 9.04 (jaunty jackalope) on my eMac (G4). Everything is working fine, does anyone know if it would be safe to upgrade to 9.10? I can't find a download that would work, but my installer says I can upgrade. <paultag> dtwrites, should be :) <collinp> paultag: You beat me. <paultag> dtwrites, PPC dropped off to only be community supported and not Canonical supported, so it might be less stable, but Debian still maintains everything for PPC <paultag> dtwrites, so it will work ( even if it's just rebranded deb PPC ) <dtwrites> Thanks, and wish me luck. <paultag> dtwrites, good luck! <bobo123> good luck :-) <collinp> Good luck. <bobo123> I wonder about shortname= option when mounting a fat32-partition.. shouldn't it be two options... <cjohnston> My feelings were hurt in here btw <cjohnston> wrong window <cjohnston> oops <bobo123> on hurt feelings bandaid wont help <bobo123> I would love to be able to set "show 8+3filenames as lowercase ; store a long name when the short name is not all lower case" but that seems not to be any of the four options <Danili> hi everybody i have a problem there is specified here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1498469 anyways i might have found a solution to the problem and that's change my network diver to the madwifi drivers and try'ed that but then i got a new problem and that's i only had wired connection in my network manager :s so i switched back to the ath5k driver again... my question now is: do anyone have any idea why the sw <Danili> itch to the madwifi drivers failed?? i followed this guide: http://petejcullen.wordpress.com/2009/12/10/fixing-the-madwifi-driver-on-ubuntu-9-04-jaunty-netbook-remix/ <phillw> hi, has anyone got experience of via technologies graphics chips not detecting the higher resolutions? <holstein> phillw: i got an HPmini <holstein> one of the early one <holstein> s <holstein> with the VIA chip <holstein> its a PITA <phillw> holstein: would you have a go at helping an OP, I've no experience of them <holstein> bb <holstein> phone <holstein> phillw: drag <holstein> that was a long call :/ <holstein> anyways <holstein> back at hardy <bobo123> so what is this via graphiccard/motherboard that gives you buttpain? <holstein> there was a couple of drivers to choose from for my chip <holstein> one for compiz
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