#ubuntu-us-mn 2010-05-01 <tonyyarusso> I'll probably show my face <Takyoji> So I take that means you'll only be there for an hour or so, or? :P <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: I haven't decided what I'm doing yet. <Takyoji> ahh <tonyyarusso> It's not like I have something better to do though. <Takyoji> So it's just a waste of time to you then? :P <Takyoji> otherwise; still happen to have those cables of mine? <Takyoji> I guess I don't have sufficient transportation to attend. <Takyoji> While everyone else is probably all "Yaaay! He's not here!" :P <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: You really need to get yourself a bicycle or something. srsly <tonyyarusso> So I take it that means I don't need to worry about your cables then? <Takyoji> I was debating on biking; but I have a feeling that I might find a suitable path. <Takyoji> I suppose <Takyoji> Even if it would take a couple hours to bike there, I most likely would try. :P <Takyoji> Have you biked from the cities to Faribault at all? :P <Takyoji> It would be a 53.8 mile trip (by car directions) <tonyyarusso> I've biked from Shoreview to Nerstrand Big Woods State Park. <tonyyarusso> so basically the same. * Takyoji pokes tonyyarusso <Takyoji> otherwise I may be able to have a GPS <tonyyarusso> Google Maps has cycling directions now <Takyoji> I'm just not sure if there's a bike/pedestrian-friendly route <tonyyarusso> it takes a little work, but there are some that are fine <Takyoji> This is what I'm looking at: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=1667+Snelling+Ave.+N.,+St.+Paul,+MN+55108&daddr=Faribault,+MN&hl=en&geocode=FVWErgId0WJy-imRLkSOQyuzUjFrzJWvlInzJg%3BFTTjowIdpdRw-ilZlw90QPf2hzH7dPuExsZ4Qw&mra=ls&dirflg=b&sll=44.660839,-93.220367&sspn=0.799018,1.783905&ie=UTF8&ll=44.643254,-92.948456&spn=0.79926,1.783905&z=10&lci=bike <tonyyarusso> Not for like a 6 year old, but an adult cyclist yes. <tonyyarusso> well, I should probably head on over there <Takyoji> If I could somehow maintain a speed of 20mph, it would appear to take ~3 hours. <tonyyarusso> yup <tonyyarusso> shoulda left earlier :) <Takyoji> You should have influenced me more earlier. :P <Takyoji> Assuming an ideal case, that would mean I'd be there at 3:30pm. :P <Takyoji> Which would be 1 hour and a half to spare. xP <tonyyarusso> yeah, a bit tight <tonyyarusso> anyway, I'm packing up the computer <Takyoji> To leave or go to the installfest? <tonyyarusso> at TIES now <tonyyarusso> Perks of release parties: everyone gets to comment on the different kinds of machines people bring <kermit> how many people show up at install fests? <tonyyarusso> varies <tonyyarusso> we have about 15 here atm <tonyyarusso> Some have had as many as 50. <tonyyarusso> well, in MN anyway <tonyyarusso> Some places get hundreds, but they're more organized than us :P <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: How many women there today? <tonyyarusso> 2 <tonyyarusso> I think there was another a while ago. <tonyyarusso> not counting Brian's wife and daughter, who are in and out. <sparklehistory> Not too bad #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-05-02 <Takyoji> heh http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=don't%20cha%20know * tonyyarusso lols @ "see also: 'could be worse'" <tonyyarusso> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=minnesotan&defid=2413452 <Takyoji> hah <tonyyarusso> pretty sure the only ones that don't apply to me involve things that happened before I was born <tonyyarusso> eg voting for Mondale <sparklehistory> Wait, you mean that stuff isn't normal? <tonyyarusso> Apparently. <Alpha_Cluster> lol <Alpha_Cluster> nice find tony <kermit> i didnt read it all, but did it have "you call anyone who's moved here in the last decade the 'new guy'" <tonyyarusso> lol, it did not, but it should <tonyyarusso> The "new guy" rule is that you will be "new guy" eternally until someone else is newer, so hope for high turnover. <kermit> yeah <kermit> in most places "where are you from?" means stat state are you from.. here it means what suburb are you from <kermit> when i say "here" then people find out i grew up in Eagan, they say "i thought you said you were from minneapolis" <kermit> i just stare blankly. <tonyyarusso> That question is clearly context-dependent. <tonyyarusso> If someone at the coffee shop asks me, I tell them the nearest major intersection. Across town, which suburb. Online, Minnesota. <kermit> er stat/what <kermit> i meant, when people from here ask me that <tonyyarusso> I only say Mpls if I really really have to though, since I'm east of the river. <kermit> i say 'here' if i'm within 300 miles of here <kermit> as it's still the closest metro <kermit> not that i'm ever farther away than 10 miles * tonyyarusso wonders how h00k's presentation prep is going * tonyyarusso guesses he bailed on the prep and went to bed early <Takyoji> 2 days until the Day Against DRM (May 4) <kermit> should i hand out pirated dvd screeners to random people on the screen? <tonyyarusso> LOL * tonyyarusso is watching h00k get grilled about translations/localizations on the recording <tonyyarusso> To answer, we would of course like to address as much as possible, but it becomes a matter of priorities. <tonyyarusso> Things like making sure "y" works with apt are of course pretty darn important, although kind of side notes rather than the central goal. <tonyyarusso> For localizations like keyboard layouts, that is something I see in the long-term plan, but not something we're looking at right now. That's one reason for addressing the Fiero-Nichols orthography first, since it uses the same alphabet/keyboard as English and is therefore much easier. <tonyyarusso> At some point in the distant future, it would be nice to support both Fiero-Nichols and Canadian Syllabics, as well as adding in some custom themes and artwork and who knows what else, but any of that stuff comes about as interest and resources become available. <tonyyarusso> oooooh, OpenGL transitions are purrrdy <tonyyarusso> h00k: LoCos can become "Approved". <tonyyarusso> Wisconsin Linux Users Group is somewhat of an anomaly - almost all LUGs are city-based. Originally some LoCos followed a similar approach (Chicago), but that is discouraged now, with things being done at the parent level with sub-groups for cities where appropriate. <tonyyarusso> Of course, having active cities as well is fantastic. <tonyyarusso> Fedora does indeed attempt to have some sort of community thing - they call it their "Ambassodors program". I looked into it though, and it very much inactive - I found one guy in MN. :( <tonyyarusso> I think Gentoo may have something similar? Nothing anywhere near the scale to which Ubuntu does. <tonyyarusso> also, AFAIK the US is the only country that is not organized primarily on the country level, although like the cities here, many subgroups exist. <tonyyarusso> If you didn't already know, for contacts in nearby states for possible coordination, we have: greg-g in Michigan, nixternal in Chicago, IL, MTecknology in South Dakota, and AtomicSpark in Iowa. Nobody for ND. <tonyyarusso> wait, somebody's talking about moving to WordPress? But Drupal is teh awesomez! <tonyyarusso> Nearest Canadian seems to be in Winnipeg, but their actual activity is primarily in Victoria/Vancouver, Toronto, and Montreal. <tonyyarusso> Gnome 2.30! Not 2.3... <tonyyarusso> It's like Ubuntu releases - the zeros matter. <tonyyarusso> For anyone who's really confused now, http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/6623287 #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-05-03 <Takyoji> Ooo, the ads of this year's "We're Linux" commercial are quite good <Takyoji> better than last year certainly <Takyoji> Some of them almost bring a tear to my eye from joy. :P <Takyoji> A cute little one: http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1697 :P <Takyoji> A nice informative one, gives a handful of valid reasons: http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1696 <Takyoji> Another good one: http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1693 <Takyoji> Kind of like the RedHat commercial: http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1689 <Takyoji> Uses the car analogy: http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1695 <Takyoji> 25 seconds; just a simple text ad: http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1676 <Takyoji> And a decent 3d one: http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1704 * Takyoji just got hit with an idea. <Takyoji> Notice how you right-click on a file in Nautilus, and in the context menu there's "Copy To" which gives you the option of Desktop and Home folder? It wouldn't hurt if it also listed bookmarked folders as well <Takyoji> Ooo, this is also good http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1719 <Takyoji> A few aesthetic (and logo) changes and it would be ideal. <Takyoji> and yays, I has money nao * Takyoji spends it all on Ubuntu LiveCDs. :P <Takyoji> Awkward, shop.ubuntu.com seems unresponsive. <h00k> tonyyarusso: thats for the corrections, I should actually take your responses and mail them to the MadLUG <h00k> tonyyarusso: *thanks <h00k> tonyyarusso: and I did say Gnome 2.30! <tonyyarusso> perhaps the recording cut of the 0 - it wasn't the best * Obsidian1723 All, there may be a serious Internet outage due to somew updates on the 13 root servers. For more info: http://www.itnews.com.au/News/173412,warning-why-your-internet-might-fail-on-may-5.aspx <Gypsyfetish> hello <Obsidian1723> hi <Gypsyfetish> anyone in NE minneapolis? <kermit> Gypsyfetish: I <Obsidian1723> nope. <kermit> Obsidian1723: yes there are, i can see them! <Gypsyfetish> all I see out my window are bums...and none of them have Ubuntu installed on their shopping carts. <Gypsyfetish> on the plus side the hobos are a sure sign of summer <kermit> Gypsyfetish: in NE? <Gypsyfetish> yeah <Obsidian1723> heh <kermit> Gypsyfetish: what part of NE is like that? <Gypsyfetish> I live next door to sentyrz <kermit> ah <Gypsyfetish> the liquor store seems to be a Mecca <kermit> Gypsyfetish: are you from zimbabwe? <Gypsyfetish> nah I was born here <Takyoji> anyone see the recent news? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/windicators-ubuntu-meerkat-innovation.html <Obsidian1723> sadly, yes <tonyyarusso> weird <Takyoji> I wonder if that will also have implications with GNOME 3.. <tonyyarusso> hard to say * tonyyarusso will probably just be using Lucid for a while #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-05-04 <Obsidian1723> Ill stay with Hardy and then probably move to Debian. <Takyoji> :P <Takyoji> I get a kick out of people being deterred. :P <Takyoji> But hey, people ACTUALLY have choice! <tonyyarusso> Yeah, I'm hoping to get out of the sixth month upgrade cycle either way - it's a bit tiring. Will use Lucid for a bit, then probably see what Debian looks like compared to what shows up in Ubuntu 12.04 I guess. <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: WHOA <tonyyarusso> Not that I have a problem with six month cycles - that's awesome. I just can't keep up :P <Takyoji> ahh <Takyoji> I have yet to upgrade my Fedora server. :P <Takyoji> I'm too afraid of doing a distro upgrade live. :P <tonyyarusso> We had Fedora servers running FC3 and 4 at a previous job. <Takyoji> heh <Takyoji> I believe mine is FC8 <Takyoji> Anyone use password-less login on a multi-user desktop? <Takyoji> (It's the current case for the family computer, but kind of as a basic workaround, but to still have an encrypted keyring and so forth) <Takyoji> I'm just unaware of how that'll work with 10.04 yet <Takyoji> Which I suppose I could test in a VM * Obsidian1723 have fun all... <Takyoji> Bleh, I cringe when people use the word: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#PowerPoint <Takyoji> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#LAMP :P <Obsidian1723> blah, thats just GNU fundamentalism. <Takyoji> GLAMP. :P <tonyyarusso> gwords to gavoid? #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-05-05 <Takyoji> Is this team slowly dying again? :P <Takyoji> Haven't had a meeting for almost 3 months now. <tonyyarusso> Because you haven't organized one! <Takyoji> This Thursday then? <tonyyarusso> works for me <Takyoji> 7pm? <Takyoji> otherwise I'll think of a couple topics <Takyoji> Shall we continue using the wiki for meeting agendas? <tonyyarusso> Sure. <tonyyarusso> Remember to actually announce it - ML, forums, IRC topic, Identi.ca <Takyoji> I still have to register an identi.ca account yet (but doesn't mean that I won't) <Takyoji> otherwise what's the current case in regards of ShipIt--we need official Ubuntu members yet to be considered an official LoCo officially? <tonyyarusso> uh, members and LoCo approval are separate things. <Takyoji> I thought for a LoCo approval you need at least like 3 people with Ubuntu memberships. <tonyyarusso> I'm not aware of any such requirement, although it may be the case now I suppose. <Takyoji> I had a feeling in the past there was such a provision, but can't find it now after reviewing the wiki <h00k> Thursday? phew, short notice <Takyoji> since I haven't announced anything yet, I'll just say Monday. <Takyoji> I'll probably announce tomorrow. <h00k> I don't think there is anything regarding at least 3 memberships <h00k> I know they look for activities and things <Takyoji> $18 for just 5 official Ubuntu LiveCDs.. <Takyoji> With like $10+ of itfor shipping <Takyoji> I find this intriguing: http://www.wolfire.com/humble <Takyoji> 1/2 Windows, 1/4 Mac, 1/4 Linux <Takyoji> That's fairly significant <Takyoji> Yay for terrible development. <Takyoji> Apparently the Amazon MP3 downloader is 32-bit specific and uses some relatively obscure library, and Amazon itself has a small timeframe for you to download the audio you purchased; otherwise you can't download what you just paid for.. <kermit> yey for DRM <Takyoji> The music is "DRM-free", but the service itself is pretty much DRM <kermit> if it's designed to resist your efforts, do you really own it, or is it just a rental paid up front? <kermit> ah <kermit> does it require you to use their downloaded?? <kermit> downloader <Takyoji> It requires you to use their downloader program <Takyoji> Unless if you buy each song one-by-one. <Takyoji> first time I ever touched the service at all <Takyoji> Checked Ubuntu One store prior, and pretty much only had like 1/5th of what I was looking for. <Takyoji> Just gotta love those record labels... <Takyoji> So in order to "purchase" the audio from them, I have to install a virtualization system to install a 32-bit Ubuntu virtual machine within and open a browser within that, install their downloader, and then be able to acquire the "purchased" items... <kermit> somewhere you agreed to those terms ;) <Takyoji> Pretty much <kermit> totally your fault for not being a lawer who has 1000 hours per day to read every set of terms on every website you use. <kermit> ;) <Takyoji> Pretty much. :P <kermit> hey i lost $150k in a bad real estate deal because i'm not a lawyer who can decode legealese that i read and appeared to be english but had a totally different meaning in law <kermit> so dont feel too bad ;) <Takyoji> otherwise I actually do typically read the agreement terms. :P <kermit> its too bad they arent english <kermit> they just have an etymology that traces back to english <kermit> law redefines terms, in the context of whatever aread and aspect of law, constantly <kermit> the same thing can mean different things in different areas of law, or in the same area of law but in different areas <Takyoji> I still don't see how Amazon could just have the client be Python, and open source even. <Takyoji> Since most of the business logic of the process is all handled server-side <Takyoji> or at least, /of what it seems/ <kermit> they dont want people to actually buy mp3s from them <kermit> its just to keep the regulators at bay <Takyoji> anti-trust regulators, or? :P <kermit> because there have been arguements that the distributions are intentionally using poor distribution methods to justify higher costs <kermit> i'm not sure which area of regulation <Takyoji> ahh <kermit> so now they can say "look, we let you buy mp3s right on a web site, and they're not even DRM mp3s" <kermit> and the judge will have no fukcing idea whta 32 bit or python is <Takyoji> By the way, was it Amazon that patented the "one click purchase" concept? <Takyoji> I have a feeling Amazon will just drop Linux support for their MP3 Downloader <Takyoji> Now that there's the Ubuntu One music store <Takyoji> and it doesn't work in a 32-bit VM either. <Takyoji> Therefore I have to download and install the last Ubuntu LTS version * tonyyarusso reads backscroll <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: I'm 85% certain you can just use --ignore-architecture for the Amazon MP3 .deb - I don't think it actually needs ia32libs, but could be wrong. <Takyoji> I did. <Takyoji> And it requires a specific set of 32-bit libraries of a specific version <tonyyarusso> I am 100% sure that I did it without a virtual machine in any case. <Takyoji> and I used getlibs <Takyoji> Then go ahead and install it in Lucid on a 64-bit system. :P <tonyyarusso> and yes, they were the ones with the 1-click checkout patent application. * tonyyarusso doesn't have a 64-bit Lucid system yet - ask again later :P #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-05-06 <Takyoji> Woo, also having trouble with the Ubuntu One client. :P <Takyoji> It delegated authentication to the Ubuntu One SSO, I authenticated, and it just brought me to the Ubuntu One dashboard, nothing to do with a purchase or anything <Takyoji> and the client in Rhythmbox just had a plaintext message implying that it was opening a browser for the Ubuntu One store, with no "retry" button or anything <tonyyarusso> !info php lucid <ubot3> Package php does not exist in karmic <tonyyarusso> !info php5 lucid <ubot3> php5: server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (metapackage). In component main, is optional. Version 5.2.10.dfsg.1-2ubuntu6.1 (karmic), package size 1 kB, installed size 20 kB <tonyyarusso> yay <tonyyarusso> wait, stupid bot <Takyoji> otherwise I managed to complete the transaction <Takyoji> (after having to regather my cart/basket contents...) <Takyoji> Hah. <Takyoji> 440MB for 13 songs in FLAC format. :P <Takyoji> Anyone know of any other educationally-vulnerable web applications like Jarlsberg? #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-05-07 <tonyyarusso> Alpha_Cluster: so what's the status of a release party up there eh? <Alpha_Cluster> um non that i know of so far sorry :( <tonyyarusso> Alpha_Cluster: You're supposed to make one happen. :P <Alpha_Cluster> lol <Alpha_Cluster> yeah the problem i have nothing to do that with right now... <tonyyarusso> what do you mean? <Alpha_Cluster> i dont have people really interested or any computers personallly running it.. <tonyyarusso> People get interested because you tell them to be interested! <Alpha_Cluster> lol that doesnt work up here as well as down there we have a much smaller pool of people <tonyyarusso> so you get fewer. So? <Alpha_Cluster> ill talk to richard about it though if i see him on in the next day or so <Alpha_Cluster> tonyyarusso: did you miss hte whole iplayer fiasco with the BBC> <Alpha_Cluster> ? <Alpha_Cluster> btw would it be considered approriate to do a ubuntu presentation using keynote on a iPad? <tonyyarusso> Alpha_Cluster: I didn't miss it, but nor did I pay attention to it. <tonyyarusso> haha, a little odd, but you could... <Alpha_Cluster> ahh cause there was a bunch of complaints about hem using flash when it original came out <kermit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Cola #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-05-08 <Takyoji> So paper envelopes are considered bad for CDs since some may supposedly contain certain acids, or? <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: For what, just storage? <tonyyarusso> It is true that normal paper contains acid, yes. <tonyyarusso> I haven't really heard that come up with CDs so much as photographs though. <Takyoji> Yea, just storage. <Takyoji> I was debating on making little envelopes for LiveCDs <Takyoji> My plastic cases get scratched up quite a bit <Takyoji> and I carry LiveCDs every where I go. :P <Takyoji> I've come up with an idea for labeling them professionally as well <Takyoji> So I may just burn a whole stack <Takyoji> of LiveCDs <Takyoji> Rather than paying like $14 for just 5 LiveCDs. :P <DR_Fun1> any one here <Takyoji> Yus <DR_Fun1> whats up <DR_Fun1> im looking for freinds who wana chat im new 2 ubuntu <DR_Fun1> i need to find some one thats good with .jad and .jar files <Takyoji> I don't work with Java much <DR_Fun1> how do i unzip to my /var/www file <tonyyarusso> a /var/www/ file? That's a directory on the filesystem. #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-05-09 <DR_Fun1> how do i unzip files to it <DR_Fun1> from the command line <kermit> DR_Fun1: type 'unzip' and yuo get the help display <DR_Fun1> unzip <DR_Fun1> hehe <kermit> if you mean .zip, .gz is gzip #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-05-11 * Obsidian1723 wonders how we got along without DNS #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-05-12 <Takyoji> Bleh <Takyoji> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/05/11/221207/The-Telcos-Secret-Anti-Net-Neutrality-Strategy <tonyyarusso> "secret" <kermit> i thought the DMCA safe harbor clause was enough <tonyyarusso> Pretty much. And the courts telling the FCC it doesn't have the authority to do anything at all doesn't help. <kermit> i don't view the FCC regulating the internet as a good thing at all <kermit> and neither does the EFF <tonyyarusso> How about we just let the EFF regulate the Internet instead? :) <tonyyarusso> http://i.imgur.com/zs3cM.png <kermit> haha <Takyoji> I remember that. :P <tonyyarusso> http://laptoplogic.com/resources/62-ways-to-tell-if-you-are-a-geek <tonyyarusso> Bad copy editing though - there are repeats. <tonyyarusso> Let's see... I would have 3 if it was supported, yes to 4, 7, haven't done 9 yet but have seriously considered it, 10 is true for all new stuff (not from someone else), 12, 13, 15 occasionally, 16, 17, 18, 21 comes up frequently, 23 vaguely, lol 24..., 25, 26, 32 kinda, 43, 44, 46 sounds awesome - may need to try that, 47, 51, used to do 53 but 'splash' is growing on me, 55, 57, almost 61 - I can do it but it's weird, and 62. <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: Exactly what USB drive does one bring to a formal dinner party? <tonyyarusso> a shiny one with a non-losable cap. <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: good to know, I'll add that to the fashion section of my brain * Takyoji has a backup of the Wikipedia textual database <Takyoji> I always have USB flash drives on hand. ALWAYS <Takyoji> Considering I keep one in my wallet <Takyoji> which reminds me that I have to burn a few LiveCDs of 10.04 to carry around now <Takyoji> instead of my 9.10 LiveCDs <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: Who doesn't have a database dump of Wikipedia? Obviously. <Takyoji> I really want to do 45. I've been really intending on such for a while now <h00k> I've been wearing my USB drive around my neck lately <Takyoji> I take it that others agree that Adobe seems to be intentionally killing themselves now? :P <Takyoji> With the whole SoC "feature" of the next version <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: I have no idea what you're talking about frankly. Flash is the only Adobe product I use, and I do that very reluctantly. <Takyoji> http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2010/05/adobes-new-flash-drm-comes-with-selective-output-control.ars <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: Sadly, that is actually what content providers have been asking for, so from a business perspective it's probably a good move. #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-05-13 <Takyoji> I certainly have to admit the Ubuntu Software Center is a less responsive/quick. <Takyoji> (or at least on older systems) <Takyoji> Seems to freeze a bit <Takyoji> Oh this poor user. xP <Takyoji> I had to run chkdsk so that Windows XP would be able to boot properly (without BSoDing). She also wanted to have Ubuntu installed as well <Takyoji> Ubuntu 10.04 booted to a fully functional environment in 25 seconds (auto-login). Windows XP took 1 minute 40 seconds for the desktop to fully render. <Takyoji> And is past 7 minutes yet for still loading everything yet. <Takyoji> 8 minutes <tonyyarusso> ha, aweseom <tonyyarusso> Eeep. The Australian LoCo apparently has dissolved - http://montgomeryrobert@example.net/msg03458.html They used to be one of the strongest teams. <Takyoji> Egad <tonyyarusso> For anyone who cares ( h00k ), my attempt at a translation of "Lucid Lynx" to Ojibwe is "nibwaakaa bizhiw". Literally, "the lynx is wise/intelligent". * Obsidian1723 ni ni all | shutdown -h #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-05-14 * rlaager is thankful for Panera Bread's free Wifi. <bdunnette> Sure, that's the Cinderella take-off, right? <tonyyarusso> http://gawker.com/5538216/facebook-ceo-slammed-dumb-users-who-trusted-him-in-college * Obsidian1723 thinks CAT5e and Fiber + a Server Room should be standard in any home. <tonyyarusso> fiber within the house, or to it? <Obsidian1723> both ideally #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-05-15 <Alpha_Cluster> so i just learned the .us TLD sucks for privacy <tonyyarusso> Since it doesn't have any? <tonyyarusso> Yeah, I've been thinking about that too. .im and some others that I have are the same way. <Alpha_Cluster> i was like <Alpha_Cluster> i want acblog.us for my blog <Alpha_Cluster> then im like well hell why would i post a blog at a address that anyone can whois to find me <Alpha_Cluster> that sounds like a dumb idea even in the US <kermit> i always wonder about that.. regarding the legal effect of say registering a domain to an LLC the caymans or something <kermit> versus just to yourself <Alpha_Cluster> well you just do it through a proxy <Alpha_Cluster> it doesnt protect you from the governemnt <Alpha_Cluster> but normal people it does <kermit> i'm not afraid of normal people <kermit> just the government <Alpha_Cluster> lol <Alpha_Cluster> well you are never guna be safe then on the internet unless you got tor running <kermit> normal people dont use violence <Alpha_Cluster> rofl <Alpha_Cluster> that is bs <Alpha_Cluster> did you not see the riots in greece? <kermit> i herad of them <kermit> i dont know what that's about <Alpha_Cluster> have you not seen a WTO riot? <kermit> i havent heard of thoes <kermit> you must watch a lot of TV? <Alpha_Cluster> when there is a WTO summet there are always riots <Alpha_Cluster> brb im guna do something unthinkable <Alpha_Cluster> reboot into ubuntu <Alpha_Cluster> so the fglrx driver has an odd bug <kermit> what were you running before? <Alpha_Cluster> you can only have your second monitor to the right of your main <Alpha_Cluster> Win7 <kermit> i've heard of thta <Alpha_Cluster> yeah it runs 3d graphics really well... <Alpha_Cluster> lol <kermit> i've heard its almost as easy to install as ubuntu <Alpha_Cluster> i dont know the new ubuntu installer messed with me <Alpha_Cluster> but then again im so used to the old one <Alpha_Cluster> so yeah why does dual monitors in linux have to suck so much? <kermit> i don't know, i've never tried <kermit> oh no, i said 'i dont know' to a channel directed question, i feel like an irc noob. * kermit hides in shame <Alpha_Cluster> lol <Alpha_Cluster> why? <Alpha_Cluster> its ok to respond <tonyyarusso> hahaha <kermit> i hate when other ppl do that.. if i go into a channel of 70 people, ask a question, and someone ssay 'i dont know' <Alpha_Cluster> tonyyarusso, next time i say im guna get a BRAND NEW ATI card disuade me <Alpha_Cluster> lol <Alpha_Cluster> well kermit this ant a channel of 70 people <tonyyarusso> kermit: and yes, you could create an LLC to hold your domains for you - in Minnesota it would cost you about $130/yr for the paperwork and another $45/yr or so for a P.O. Box. <Alpha_Cluster> lol <tonyyarusso> Alpha_Cluster: pssh, you just have to check them against the driver readme in the kernel tree first. Duh. <Alpha_Cluster> tonyyarusso, it works fine <Alpha_Cluster> until i do dual head <Alpha_Cluster> or want to watch perfect video <Alpha_Cluster> omg and i hate googles new square buttons!!! <Alpha_Cluster> WHY GOOGLE WHY!!! <tonyyarusso> Still funny: http://dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/000000/00000/1000/400/1486/1486.strip.print.gif <Alpha_Cluster> rofl * Obsidian1723 counting bodiesl ike sheep to the rhytme of the war drum.... bodies like sheep... <Alpha_Cluster> ok windows really needs a GOOD sftp server written for it! <Alpha_Cluster> ok so i have decided WHS are overrated #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-05-16 <Takyoji> Stupid question: how do you image an SSD with a newer Ubuntu version? <Takyoji> i.e. a Mini 10v with an SSD <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: Um, "image"? You install just like any other system - what's your question? <Takyoji> In other words, what do you do with a .img file? <tonyyarusso> First, you ask why you have it. <tonyyarusso> where did you get it, what is it for? <Takyoji> I guess I'm just going delusional then, or similar. <tonyyarusso> uh, okay... <tonyyarusso> Ubuntu releases ARM installations as .img, but nothing you would use on a Mini 10v. <Takyoji> ahh <tonyyarusso> hehe. 66.15% of hits to ubuntu-minnesota.org are running Linux. <Takyoji> and yay for the release of the source code of Penumbra Overture <tonyyarusso> 54.23% Firefox, 26.15% Chrome, 6.54% IE, 6.54% Opera, a couple of others. <Takyoji> Woo <Takyoji> otherwise what statistical solution? Google Analytics, or? <tonyyarusso> yeah, ga <tonyyarusso> as if there are others :P <Takyoji> Well I didn't know if you used something server-side, so.. :P <tonyyarusso> My personal blog is 29.58% Linux. <tonyyarusso> 67.14% Firefox, 15.02% IE, 8.92% Chrome <tonyyarusso> Cheap computers if anyone wants some: http://archives.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/2010-May/057925.html <Takyoji> Should I be worried if Xorg is using 200MB of RAM? #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-05-17 <kermit> no * tonyyarusso is chilling in Ubuntu Canada's IRC meeting - yay awkward dual membership! <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: It's sort of like dual citizenship... <tonyyarusso> except less useful - no health care or voting rights <sparklehistory> ah well, too bad that Ubuntu can't diagnose and treat aliments along with all the other cool stuff it does <Takyoji> Wasn't it recently approved that cable providers can use selective output control? #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-05-18 * nnonix throws tomatoes <nnonix> Getting Empathy to do IRC sucks. <bdunnette> nnonix: Funny, I'm perfectly content with Pidgin. :) <nnonix> I wasn't happy with pidgin either ... but Empathy has a UI bug that keeps you from adding IRC as the first account. <nnonix> ..... so it sucks MORE. <bdunnette> Cute. <bdunnette> IMO, Empathy's an example of Canonical's occasional "Latest andâ¦ no, wait, just latest" emphasis. <bdunnette> Like pushing out Getting Things Gnome as a "Featured Application" when it's still pretty flaky. <nnonix> How can it be "featured" if it's not installed by default? <bdunnette> If you open the Software Center, it's under the big, blaze-orange "Featured Applications" banner. <nnonix> Oh ... the Software Center .... I avoid that. <nnonix> Oh montgomeryrobert@example.net. <bdunnette> Right, but I think it's the first place Linux newbies would lookâ¦ and it might lead them into some shaky software. <nnonix> Never used GTG ... wouldn't know ... but if it really sucks, you would be correct. <bdunnette> No, it's not REALLY bad, but it's clearly still immature (like Empathy) â I'm willing to put up with some bugs, but not everyone may be, so seems silly to choose a less-stable default (Empathy). <nnonix> What was their reasoning .. video support? <nnonix> Ahh ... it replaced both pidgin & ekiga. <nnonix> and well ... aside from the UI bug with the first account ... Empathy appears to be working ok ... so far. <bdunnette> Right, but choosing a default that's "mostly OK" rather than an excellent, solid, cross-platform app still seems odd to me. <bdunnette> Yeah, maybe the video support was a deal-breaker for them. <nnonix> I understand ... change sucks especially when it affects you adversely. <nnonix> So what do we all think of the latest release of Macbuntu? <nnonix> .... and it's purpley goodness/badness. <bdunnette> MacBuntu? <nnonix> The new theme and button movement. <nnonix> I thought the decision to move the windows buttons to the left was fine ... their choice .. but to do so without providing an easy way to move them back to the right (considering some 90% of computer users expect them on the right) was pretty dumb. <nnonix> ... not very considerate. <rlaager> nnonix: You can move them back with gconf-editor. It's not the easiest, but I'm sure by now there are a million blog posts on the Internet that give you the steps (or single terminal command). <rlaager> Plus, they don't *want* to allow you to move them back, as they intend to use the space they freed up for other widgets. If you move them back, then what happens? <rlaager> I thought it was arbitrary (and thus dumb) until I found out the future plans. <nnonix> Their future plans need to support those who move the buttons back to the right. <Obsidian1723> heh good luck with that <nnonix> I support their right to make changes ... but expect them to be considerate. <nnonix> ... so much for my expectations. <Obsidian1723> yeah, well Canonoical will do what it wants - like Microsoft. <rlaager> Honestly, having the buttons on the left isn't that big of a deal. <Obsidian1723> yeah, it is. <nnonix> Well I'll give you this ... we all have one less reason not to buy a mac. <Obsidian1723> Don't move the cheese. Don't change the living room <Obsidian1723> Mac is more proprietary than Windows... more reason to NOT use a Mac. <rlaager> WTF? At least the kernel and the command line tools on the Mac are Free. <Obsidian1723> can you copmpile OS X from source? <rlaager> No. You can compile the kernel and most of the command line tools from source. Can you compile any part of Windows from source? <nnonix> I just said "one less reason". There are still reasons. <Obsidian1723> :D <Obsidian1723> What Canonical has done is given Windoers users one more reason NOT to move ti Linux. <Obsidian1723> Out of all operating systems, onlyu Mac OS X and Ubuntu 10x use that funky left method. Joe 6pack who DOES move to Ubuntu, isn't going to want to gconf the edit to "fix" it :( <Obsidian1723> Sad, but true. <Obsidian1723> My box's HDD died, I had to replace the drive and I am using Lucid on the desktop (no upgrades) and on the latop now (with upgrades - which made it bogged down), so Lucid has some more work needed on it. <Obsidian1723> Sorry if Im a bit jaded, it's just MANY people screamed over the move and Canonical refuses to listen and ignores the community of users, plus NOT listening to what people want seems oppisite of the Ubuntu mantra of "Humanity to others". <Obsidian1723> Its bass ackwards <nnonix> They thing is, they want to have notifications on the right some time in the future .... so they move the window buttons to the left now ... which I think is dumb ..... simply because it seems arbitrary. If the buttons moved to the left once the notification system is in place ... then people could easily see the reasoning. <bdunnette> Yeah, it's annoying that they changed itâ¦ but I still don't think it's the deal-breaker you do (having the "Applications" menu at the top-left, instead of "Start" on the lower left, seems much more disruptive to Windows vetsâ¦) <bdunnette> But I'm with nnonix: the Apple-style "trust us, you'll love it!" response is a bit off-putting. <nnonix> bdunnette: true <bdunnette> All right, Obsidian1723: I nominate you to head a federal bureau that will define all UI standards. <nnonix> lol <bdunnette> Anyone caught moving the cheese will be taken out back and shot. :) <bdunnette> I'll join you in the Department of Cheese Monitoring, FWIW. <Obsidian1723> YES!!! <Obsidian1723> I am MOTUI - Master Of The User Interface. <nnonix> So, who's got an Android phone?? I'm loving mine. <Obsidian1723> Ja vohl <Obsidian1723> Not me. I would like one though... <bdunnette> Seriously, though, I think this illustrates what's good about Open Source: if you don't like the GNOME changesâ¦ just use KDE. <Obsidian1723> Dude at FGTC has one <Obsidian1723> b - exactly <bdunnette> Obsidian1723: We had 4 at a recent meeting. :) <Obsidian1723> Only biatch with that isw KDE uses more overhead than Gnome. <Obsidian1723> NICE!! <nnonix> KDE kpisses kme koff kwith kall kits kbuttons. <Obsidian1723> Onced I close on the house, I will get that router up and going etc too. <bdunnette> nnonix: Then use LXDE, or XFCE, or... <Obsidian1723> ki khear kthat <Obsidian1723> Anyone ever use Moon OS? <bdunnette> Point being: choice is good, and unless you're the one coding the UI, it's not gonna be perfect for you. <Obsidian1723> True.. <Obsidian1723> I did hear that GNOME 30 WILL support the GNOME 2x panels, the "old" look to. <Obsidian1723> Which is cool. <Obsidian1723> 3.0 <bdunnette> Yeah, that's a nice concession to those of us used to the "old" look. <Obsidian1723> yeah... <Obsidian1723> I prefer it actually. <bdunnette> Though I do like what I've seen/used of gnome-shell. <Obsidian1723> Hey did I tell ya? I converted my borther's kid's PC <bdunnette> Sweet! <Obsidian1723> The HDD died, so I replaced it, set them up with it <Obsidian1723> One parent account w/full access and one kid's account locked down. <Obsidian1723> I hoipe to convert the entire house over to it. <bdunnette> Yeah, that's what I did for my niece & nephew. <bdunnette> But the parents keep freaking out and asking for Windows. <Obsidian1723> I try and convert people over from Windows because it's less repeat work fixing the same old crapola. <bdunnette> Indeed. <Obsidian1723> I dont like fixing the same old users. <bdunnette> Especially for parents, I think the access control's betterâ¦ and they can even put e.g. DansGuardian on it for filtering, if they want. <Obsidian1723> yeah, I used Pessulkuys <Obsidian1723> pessulus <Obsidian1723> Of course you really need it at the router level, so if they use a compatible router, like a WRT54G, I reflash it with DD-WRT <Obsidian1723> or recommend pfSense. <bdunnette> Hmm, niceâ¦ we should try that the next time FGTC sends out a "kiosk" system; we just did the last one by hand. <Obsidian1723> on a 2 NIC PC <bdunnette> Right. <Obsidian1723> pessulus and iceweasel make for a GREAT kioisk <Obsidian1723> oh.. once we move to 10.04.1LTS, we need to install iptables-persistent <Obsidian1723> nice to have :D <bdunnette> Hmmâ¦ is there any point to it unless you've already set up iptables rules? <Obsidian1723> yes <Obsidian1723> iptables by default doesnt stick on reboot. <Obsidian1723> You can do a workaround to make it stick, whioch I did under earlier versions <Obsidian1723> basically under the old way, you just reload the iptables.rules document at startup <bdunnette> Right, I get thatâ¦ but is there a certain (default) set of iptables rules it'll load? <bdunnette> I mean, it's useful mainly on any machine that's actually acting as a firewall, right? Or are you suggesting every desktop have some iptables setup? <bdunnette> Or does it already? <Obsidian1723> It does not by default, you need to sudo iptables enable <Obsidian1723> I think yes, firewall at the router level, but also firewall the desktop <Obsidian1723> www.nmap-online.,com try that once <nnonix> sudo apt-get purchase R1200GS Adventure <nnonix> sudo apt-get vacation 30 days in Alaska <Obsidian1723> I scanned my box, all that was open is port 113 <Obsidian1723> which is ident <bdunnette> Ah, so you want to deny all incoming traffic? <bdunnette> Doesn't that conflict with your desire to have e.g. VPNs work out-of-the-box? <bdunnette> Not that it's a bad idea, security-wise... <bdunnette> Maybe something like http://gufw.tuxfamily.org/ plus iptables-persistent would be a good recommendation? <Obsidian1723> I think so. <Obsidian1723> good call :D <nnonix> I'd like to see some serious Gmail/Google Apps integration. MeMenu, default mail client, etc. <nnonix> Hell, other services as well. <Obsidian1723> not so much for the Google apps, they, like Facebook, are anti-privacy., <Obsidian1723> Not to mention Google may get investigatged for sniffing wifi. <Obsidian1723> but atleast Google doesnt break into your house like Apple does. <bdunnette> I'd just like something more light-weight for calendar and mail notification than Evolution. <Obsidian1723> yeah <nnonix> Well name your service, but it should be easy to integrate them into Gnome. Default mail, notifications, etc. #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-05-19 * tonyyarusso is having fun installing Lucid on the main machine <Takyoji> of? <Takyoji> and is that literal or sarcastic? :P <tonyyarusso> a little of both :P <tonyyarusso> and I fail to parse your "of?" <tonyyarusso> I'm doing LVM plus LVM on top of RAID for the first time, so the partitioning took a while. <Takyoji> ahh <Alpha_Cluster> omg <Alpha_Cluster> i ran out of ram guys <Alpha_Cluster> i actually fille dup 4 gigs somehow <Alpha_Cluster> crap its climing agian <tonyyarusso> kill firefox, gwibber, and empathy <tonyyarusso> and nautilus <Alpha_Cluster> well i turned my swap on <kermit> i restart firefox every 3 days <Alpha_Cluster> i forgot to after it got turned fof for smething <Alpha_Cluster> i kileld chrome and got a gig back i think <Alpha_Cluster> doesnt help i am compiling KDE4 in a chroot environment <tonyyarusso> lol, no <Alpha_Cluster> webkit killed my machines performance! <tonyyarusso> oh the irony <Alpha_Cluster> yeah iknow <tonyyarusso> http://files.tonyyarusso.com/sudbury-lucid-20100518-3.png :) :) <Takyoji> Yaaaaay <Takyoji> I bring good news! <Takyoji> http://ajaxian.com/archives/webm-the-on2-codec-is-here-with-support-from-google-mozilla-and-opera <Takyoji> and yay for xkcd: http://xkcd.com/742/ * Obsidian1723 Dump Mono - sudo apt-get purge libmono* libgdiplus cli-common libglitz-glz1 libglitz1 <Takyoji> Gah, if only I had resources to assist with explaining the concept of FOSS and Linux <Takyoji> because I think I may have another person I could interest in with Ubuntu #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-05-20 <nnonix> What does it mean when 15% of the people in the room are bots? Do Minnesotans not like Linux .... or IRC? Hmmmmmmm. <nnonix> Make that 17% <Takyoji> Interesting: http://doodle.com/pgabxqswksmgsx8g <Takyoji> a time-poll system being used by the Ubuntu Manual team #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-05-21 <Takyoji> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kddqINA1vOA :P <Obsidian1723> help. See http://computersupport.pastebin.com/7H17D9k9 for detials, please <tonyyarusso> Obsidian1723: add-apt-repository <Obsidian1723> ok <Obsidian1723> that ads it eh? <Obsidian1723> So like sudo add-apt-repository remastersys ?? <Obsidian1723> or <Obsidian1723> sudo add-apt-repsoitory deb http://www.geekconnection.org/remastersys/repository karmic/ <Obsidian1723> ??? <Obsidian1723> Which is the proper format?? <Obsidian1723> sudo add-apt-repository remastersys <Obsidian1723> or <Obsidian1723> sudo add-apt-repsoitory deb http://www.geekconnection.org/remastersys/repository karmic/ <Obsidian1723> NOTE: this application is NOT in the Ubuntu repos, its 3rd party. I aimagine for ones in the Ubuntu repo, it's just sudo add-apt-repository NAME <tonyyarusso> Obsidian1723: You need the deb line unless it's a PPA. <Obsidian1723> ok so the second line like that.. PPA meaning on a launchapd site/PPA or the Ubuntu repo PPA or both? <tonyyarusso> There's not such thing as an "Ubuntu repo PPA"... PPAs are only stuff on Launchpad. * Obsidian1723 http://thereadedwin.com/2010/05/17/how-linux-save-a-fast-food-giant/ * Obsidian1723 http://therealedwin.com/2010/05/17/how-linux-save-a-fast-food-giant/ <-- fixed link * Takyoji reads <Takyoji> Wooo <Takyoji> otherwise interesting story * Obsidian1723 LORDY its Friday. ok for the 3rtd and FINAL time, the correct link..... http://therealedwin.com/2010/05/17/how-linux-saved-a-fast-food-giant/ #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-05-22 <Takyoji> Anyone know if there's such a thing as bitlbee for Jabber/XMPP? <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: Transports! <tonyyarusso> For instance, I have a Jabber account set up such that when I log in I get both the jabber account and my AIM account logged in. #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-05-23 * Obsidian1723 Anyone here know which is the better method to us (and why) to send video over CAT5e? S-Video or HDMI? I don't want video or audio attenuation/degredation. <Takyoji> Woo http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/05/23/154218/First-Pandora-Console-Reaches-Customer #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-05-25 <Takyoji> Just added to the EFF website today: https://secure.eff.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=451 * Obsidian1723 shutdown -h night all #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-05-26 <Takyoji> Bleh, if only Minnesota had a formed Pirate Party already.. <kermit> or a party with a less self-deprecating and defeatist name.. <kermit> but with the same cause. #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-05-28 <tonyyarusso> Oh geez, I'm supposed to present for like an hour about 10.04 on Saturday - I should probably figure out what to say eh? :P <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: What are you presenting at? <tonyyarusso> Penguins Unbound meeting <tonyyarusso> If you read your e-mail you'd know that. <sparklehistory> It was sent less than an hour ago! <tonyyarusso> SO? <tonyyarusso> plus, that was the reminder announcement - the first one was like a week ago. <sparklehistory> Well apparently I missed that <tonyyarusso> Oh hey, where did I put h00k's notes I wonder... #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-05-29 * Obsidian1723 ALL, We live in a pretty wacked World. Be safe out there. Read this link and pass it on. http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/bottlebomb.asp * Takyoji relays it to others as well <kermit> passing that article around will probably give people ideas and do more harm than good <tonyyarusso> I doubt that - I knew about Drano bombs a decade ago. It's not exactly new. <Obsidian1723> mew to me. <kermit> it doestn have to be new to 'give people ideas' <Obsidian1723> It's like a gun, you may not use one, but you'd like to know who has one. * Obsidian1723 EPIC - http://www.27bslash6.com/p2p2.html -- THIS is the prime reason (and a GREAT example of why) I no longer create wesbites, graphics, etc; and want to get away from doing anything with Windows (or its' users) - F-ing CLASSIC!! EPIC!!!! #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-05-30 <Takyoji> Anyone think the Ubuntu Software Center should be optimized a little? <Alpha_Cluster> i hate it i liked the old system <Alpha_Cluster> :( <Obsidian1723> I prefer add/remove. <Alpha_Cluster> same <Takyoji> Ubuntu Software Centre considerably crawls on my laptop <Alpha_Cluster> just use the other package manager ;) <tonyyarusso> I actually think Software Center 2.0 is better than add/remove. <Alpha_Cluster> heracy!!! <Alpha_Cluster> wow i misspelt that bad <Takyoji> Layout a little, yes. Performance, no. xP <Alpha_Cluster> i liked add/removes layout <tonyyarusso> Many dislikes for add/remove not being able to do concurrent installations. #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-05-31 <Takyoji> By concurrent you're implying that you can start one installation, and start another while another one is running? <Takyoji> Or do you mean multiple at a time, but by one process? <tonyyarusso> correct <tonyyarusso> the first one <Takyoji> Because I'm not even sure the former was even possible. :P <Takyoji> Considering the process holds a lock on dpkg <tonyyarusso> add/remove made you wait before you selected a second thing to queue for installation, but software center 2 lets you. <tonyyarusso> and you mean latter, not former. <tonyyarusso> or maybe you don't. <tonyyarusso> Not actually *running* at the same time, but as far as the user can tell they are, meaning they can get on with their life UI-wise. #ubuntu-us-mn 2011-05-01 <FloatingGoat> O.O <FloatingGoat> I feel so alone <FloatingGoat> _diablo-server: that must have been one big haircut O.O <tonyyarusso> yarly <FloatingGoat> tonyyarusso: did he ever come back? <tonyyarusso> FloatingGoat: right at the end, apparently <FloatingGoat> lol <FloatingGoat> hi <FloatingGoat> sundjinnkari: <_diablo-server> FloatingGoat tonyyarusso it took 3 hours. literally <_diablo-server> freakin' ridiculous <_diablo-server> this is what happens when I go to Aveda and have a student do it. <Obsidian1723> tony, ever use nconf ? <FloatingGoat> im going down <FloatingGoat> _diablo-server: hahaha yeah i know what you mean, took forever for my sister to do my hair when she was in beauty school <FloatingGoat> okay im good <Takyoji> I'M ALIVE <_diablo-server> FloatingGoat: sorry :( I wanted to get back there. I'll be there next month :) <FloatingGoat> _diablo-server: :) <FloatingGoat> me too <FloatingGoat> cause my mom took me for teh lulz and she liked it lol * Takyoji wonders who here were at the release /party/, since nobody else had their IRC username on their nametag. :P <FloatingGoat> Takyoji: where you in the orange chirt? * Takyoji wonders if it was FloatingGoat that was to my right at the release party. <FloatingGoat> shirt* <FloatingGoat> I was tellin everyone my IRC name lol <FloatingGoat> which reminds me <FloatingGoat> gotta cload oh man <Takyoji> This was my shirt: http://store.linux.com/product_info.php?products_id=171 <FloatingGoat> sorry had to cloak <FloatingGoat> the mac users dont like me <FloatingGoat> anyways <FloatingGoat> hold on firefox is being a nub <FloatingGoat> are you caleb? <Takyoji> Yus <FloatingGoat> lol <FloatingGoat> :D <FloatingGoat> im jeff <Takyoji> The one that won the masterprize that is now sitting on my desktop. :P <FloatingGoat> lol yeah :D <FloatingGoat> I was sitting next to you at paul's party <Takyoji> and yes, I do forget real names, very easily. :P <Takyoji> Oh... you. <Takyoji> Nah, I'm kidding. xP <FloatingGoat> XD <FloatingGoat> the one with the android dilema <FloatingGoat> goin down <FloatingGoat> stupid windows <FloatingGoat> I HATE YOU <FloatingGoat> okay im still here * Takyoji comes to realization. <FloatingGoat> O.O <Takyoji> Android is written in Java, Java is platform independent, so wouldn't a person be able to install Android on an x86 architecture I would? <Takyoji> s/platform/CPU instruction set/ <Takyoji> and I'm going to harass people on the mailing list to IRC moar <FloatingGoat> lol <FloatingGoat> yeah maybe <FloatingGoat> but it wasnt made for that so you'll probably run into a few problems O.O <FloatingGoat> do you have an AGP 8x graphics card? nvidia preferably <Takyoji> I guess it does have some exclusivity to the ARM architecture, and there is a project of porting it to x86; I think I recall now using VirtualBox to emulate it, and having a rather slow experience <Takyoji> NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT <FloatingGoat> that's AGP? <FloatingGoat> oh it isn't :'( <FloatingGoat> I AM NOW IN TEARS FOREVER <Takyoji> AGP is a bit older, yus? <FloatingGoat> yeah <Takyoji> You might be able to find older graphics cards at thrift stores. <FloatingGoat> the port looks more simplistic <Takyoji> I have seen one or two before. <FloatingGoat> working one? <Takyoji> I don't have any other than my 8800GT, soo. :P <FloatingGoat> oh yeah <FloatingGoat> im looking to purchase <Takyoji> I wonder if you could even find something on NewEgg <FloatingGoat> yeah but <FloatingGoat> its like 80 bucks for a compatible 512 <FloatingGoat> I believe <Takyoji> Of the cheapest option available? <Takyoji> Lowest price I can find is $30 <Takyoji> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709%20600007850&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20 <FloatingGoat> yay problem solved :_ <Takyoji> The fat little black/white dog wants me Tux plushie. D: <Takyoji> wants my* <Takyoji> oh hay, just realized I don't have the gpanel applet for a countdown timer that I usually use for a timer for my pizza, because, oh yanno, I can't configure my gnome-panel in 11.04 whatsoever, yay. xP <FloatingGoat> lol :) <FloatingGoat> like I said before <FloatingGoat> I love the dash <FloatingGoat> the rest of it is <FloatingGoat> well ehh <FloatingGoat> if window switching was one launcher click <FloatingGoat> then i'd use it more <FloatingGoat> sorry for my late reply I just got my phone to stop herp derpin now it works! <Takyoji> when you have more than one window of an application, it's also a bit of a b-tch. :P <Takyoji> Since not all applications are tabbed. <Takyoji> i.e. image viewer. <FloatingGoat> yeah thats what I meant by window switching lol <Takyoji> So a simple reset worked, or? <FloatingGoat> no I had to delete google app data <Takyoji> ahh <Takyoji> and one other issue I guess I have is: all the text on gnome-panel is black over a dark grey gradient, so I can't exactly see so swell. xP <Takyoji> And again, since context menus (right-click) are completely disabled, I can't fix it directly. xP <FloatingGoat> yeah <FloatingGoat> it sucks <Takyoji> ahh; shuffling the window decorator theme fixed it <Takyoji> Too bad the Rochester/Owatonna folk isn't on IRC. xP <Takyoji> But jezuz, that was probably a 2 hour drive to make it to the metro for him. xP * Takyoji checks <FloatingGoat> what happend? <Takyoji> Person to my left was from Rochester or perhaps Owatonna (can't remember which), which is even further south than Faribault. <Takyoji> Nah, I guess it's just 1 hour and 10 minutes from Owatonna, but Rochester would be about
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