#ubuntu-us-mn 2010-02-01 <Takyoji> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/2010-February/003863.html <Takyoji> Gah, if only SVG images could be used as backgrounds with the use of CSS <Takyoji> only Opera supports it currently supposed <Takyoji> supposedly* <Takyoji> I'm trying to create a FOSS-related website; but one of the things that's difficult is to think of what would be symbolic of FOSS to incorperate <Takyoji> or just of what type of stock imagery I should take <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: Is there a LoCo mtg in here tomorrow? <tonyyarusso> yes <tonyyarusso> Although I just noticed the Google Calendar is all screwed up :( <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: yours or the team's? And, the team has a Google Calendar? <tonyyarusso> team's, and yes <sparklehistory> Where? <tonyyarusso> http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/pdvcqb9e4iksplcuf19imna6us%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics <sparklehistory> Why does it want me to download it? <tonyyarusso> because you clicked on it. <sparklehistory> well, duh <sparklehistory> I mean why can't I just look at it online? <tonyyarusso> http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=pdvcqb9e4iksplcuf19imna6us%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/Chicago <sparklehistory> thank you <sparklehistory> So it's not supposed to say there's a mtg on Sun. Feb. 7 @1:00? <tonyyarusso> no <tonyyarusso> That got messed up by my Nokia. <Takyoji> So there's a meeting today then? <Takyoji> For those that are interested; I found this today: http://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/167-amanda-mcpherson/280632-how-to-learn-linux-from-the-developers-of-linux-for-free * Takyoji reposts for _diablo <Takyoji> <Takyoji> So there's a meeting today then? <Takyoji> For those that are interested; I found this today: http://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/167-amanda-mcpherson/280632-how-to-learn-linux-from-the-developers-of-linux-for-free <_diablo> Takyoji, what time? <Takyoji> additionally I had a good idea for a topic of discussion for the meeting: anyone willing to participate would have to do like x hours of work through contributing to some form of a FOSS project. Such as writing content for the Spread Ubuntu "Make Materials", working on an IRC bot to fit all our needs on this channel, working on the Minnesota LoCo website, creating marketing material, contributing code to some project, etc <Takyoji> Just as a basic initiative for people to do something, and have people talking more. <Takyoji> otherwise I'm not entirely sure; I think it's some time after 7pm <_diablo> kk <_diablo> yeah, that's a good thing to bring up. I'd post it. <Takyoji> We can discuss it at the IRC meeting and work out the details, then throw it on the mailing list as well <Takyoji> one thing that would be nice is that if we were a little more collaborative; it just seems everyone's quietly doing their own little things <Takyoji> because I'd love to brainstorm/discuss/weigh ideas before executing them. I'm quite an indecisive individual <_diablo> agreed <mr_steve> I for one would love to commit to spending a certain amount of time working on FOSS, if my schedule can allow it <mr_steve> I like packaging software for Ubuntu, which probably means I'm masochistic, but someone's gotta do it :) <_diablo> I don't have any idea how to do that, but I'm interested <mr_steve> Some of it can be pretty easy, but it gets complicated in a hurry. Definitely a steep learning curve <_diablo> aight, fair enough <Takyoji> And that's the other thing, people could also learn how to contribute in some things, such as packaging <_diablo> yup <mr_steve> And documentation. I should be doing some of that myself. If I spend a few hours learning how to use some poorly-documented package, why shouldn't I share that knowledge? <Takyoji> By the way, are there "todo lists" in terms of what should be worked on? Such as with the Ubuntu wiki, etc <mr_steve> I think some of the various teams keep todo lists on the wiki, but otherwise it'd just be the bugs/blueprints on launchpad <Takyoji> otherwise out of curiosity; what packages have you maintained? <mr_steve> I haven't gotten any new packages into the official repos yet, but I do maintain a patched version of f-spot that doesn't screw up timestamps <mr_steve> that was the one that got me started. I also have a few version-bumped packages in my PPA, like the Gourmet recipe manager <_diablo> is that what maintained means? I thought that meant like contributing code and stuff. <mr_steve> Nah, package maintainers just keep the packages up-to-date within Ubuntu/Debian whatever. Although a fair number of maintainers are also the authors of the software <_diablo> ah, fair enough <mr_steve> so Takyoji, you mentioned something about getting a more useful bot in this channel; has there ever been any talk about that before? <Takyoji> Minimal; I can't remember what was previously suggested as potential features <Takyoji> I think it may have been discussed last meeting <mr_steve> Ah I don't recall if it was or not. Only reason I ask is because I've started using supybot in the channel for my BBS, and it's reasonably awesome. <Takyoji> ahh <Takyoji> Supybot was the primary consideration <mr_steve> Yeah, it's nice, and easy to write new plugins for. If we ever talk about it again in the meeting or something I can easily demo it, since it's already installed and running on my server <mr_steve> oh, heh, the meeting's supposed to be tonight, isn't it? Time flies <Takyoji> yea <Takyoji> Heh; World of Goo is quite interesting <Takyoji> I'll definitely have to buy the Linux version <Takyoji> Ooo, I wonder if 10.04 will actually have a non-buggy PulseAudio implementation! :P <mr_steve> Wouldn't that be nice <mr_steve> I've actually been reasonably happy with it, except that moving a playing stream between sinks gives me chipmunks-audio <mr_steve> That and getting mpd to work without a user logged in requires a virgin sacrifice <Takyoji> And so I just bought World of Goo.. <Takyoji> All my time is going to be horridly stolen from me now. xP <Takyoji> Interesting; only 63MB <Takyoji> Although it is just 2D <Obsidian1723> So..question..anyone have any thoughts on the purchasing of Sun Microsystems Inc by Oracle? I use both OpenOffice.org and MySQL, not sure about the fate of either one right now. Any thoughts? #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-02-02 <Takyoji> I'm not sure of there really being a "fate" either <Takyoji> I noticed that Web of Trust is apparently advocating the "Save MySQL" petition <Obsidian1723> hmmmmm ok <Obsidian1723> Kinda scary.. Oracle owns MySQL, Siebel, Java, OpenOffice.org and quite a few other things as well. They are the "Microsoft" of the database world right now. <Takyoji> yea <Takyoji> The only remaining competitor is PostgreSQL supposedly <Obsidian1723> yeah...unless someone comes up with something new. <Obsidian1723> My main concern right now is OpenOffice, as I use that more often. <Takyoji> I also use OpenOffice <Takyoji> just would be interesting to see more active of development (in terms of an end user) <Obsidian1723> yeah <Takyoji> It feels like one of the big project that doesn't get much love <Takyoji> It'll be interesting what will come of the GUI recreations for Blender and OpenOffice <Obsidian1723> nopers... maybe that will change, but Oracle now has StarOffice, and they may push that more... just like they may push tr MySQL.heir Oracle datab ase and their own version of Linux ove <Obsidian1723> nopers... maybe that will change, but Oracle now has StarOffice, and they may push that more... just like they may push trheir Oracle database and their own version of Linux over MySQL <Obsidian1723> fixed typos <Takyoji> ahh <_diablo> is there any way to grep for a file without a certain extension? e.g. looking for all media files not type .ogg <Takyoji> ls | grep "search query" <Takyoji> ? <Takyoji> otherwise that would be just of one folder <_diablo> more like ls|cat > foo.txt .... then grep -n foo.txt ogg <_diablo> but the opposite <Takyoji> Oh, anything that's NOT ogg. <_diablo> yeah, exactly <Takyoji> I know the regular expressions for a not is something like [^not-this]+ <Takyoji> Erm; that's not exactly it.. <tonyyarusso> Howdy folks! <tonyyarusso> Shall we meeting it up a bit? <_diablo> tonyyarusso, indeed <tonyyarusso> Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MinnesotaTeam/MeetingAgenda , as always - feel free to add to it if you have something in mind. <tonyyarusso> CosmicPizza_, exigraff, h00k, jenkinbr, kermit, mr_steve, ripps, sparklehistory, Takyoji, zomGreg: meeting ping <h00k> Greetings. <h00k> slash meetingpong <tonyyarusso> :) <sparklehistory> hi <tonyyarusso> I thought we should start with Ubuntu Hour discussion, since that seems to have the most traction. <h00k> pong, ACK, whichever we prefer. <tonyyarusso> Is there anyone who wasn't present for our previous discussions of it or still has questions about the concept? <tonyyarusso> Seeing none, we'll move on. <h00k> I have some tri-fold brochures that I made up for the Karmic Release Party that might be easily tweakable for handing out, if this helps. <h00k> tonyyarusso: you may remember these <tonyyarusso> So we've discussed a bit over the last few months, but nothing has actually been put down on paper yet. I'd like to change that this week. <tonyyarusso> h00k: yeah, those are nifty. <tonyyarusso> h00k: Note that if handing out flyers you may need to check with the venue mgmt, depending on the place. <h00k> tonyyarusso: correct. <_diablo> Takyoji, locate /home/foo/|grep "\.ogg$" | sed s/ogg$//g <tonyyarusso> I'll start by saying that personally my days are rather open at the moment, although my schedule may get a bit more defined starting March 1st. In the meantime, I'm thinking Thursday afternoons at either the Caribou Coffee at Snelling and B in Roseville or the Barnes & Noble across the street in Har Mar will be my weekly hangout. <_diablo> tonyyarusso, I think mr_steve and I are going to do an ubuntu hour downtown mpls on friday <tonyyarusso> anyone else in that vicinity? <tonyyarusso> _diablo: sweet - any locations in mind? <_diablo> tonyyarusso, mr_steve is looking into that. we're thinking a small coffee shop by mctc by the 16 line <tonyyarusso> ah, cool <tonyyarusso> _diablo: btw, the place I'd be headed after mine on Thursday is MCTC, so if you ever want to do a Thursday over there that could work for me as well. <tonyyarusso> sparklehistory: either of those plausible for you to join in on? <tonyyarusso> any outstate ones in the works from h00k or Takyoji ? <h00k> tonyyarusso: I'm drawing up plans for one in Superior at a local coffee shop called Red Mug <tonyyarusso> excellent * Takyoji tries to pulls his attention away from World of Goo gameplay <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: I could possibly do the one out by you depending on what time you were thinking <h00k> perhaps an hour on a weekend (saturday/sunday) where I can get some homework done, also. <tonyyarusso> sparklehistory: I have a lull between classes, so about 3:30 to 5:30, possibly with half an hour lopped off either end for food. <Takyoji> Prompting if I've attempted to start an Ubuntu Hour in my area? <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: I get done with class at 3 so 3:30 would work for me. <tonyyarusso> sparklehistory: okay. Do you have any preference between B&N (cheap, all ports open on the wifi) and CC (purchase required, non-web ports blocked)? <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: yeah <Takyoji> If I had someone else in the area to assist I most likely would <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: uh, not really? Perhaps B&N would be better from that description but it doesn't make a difference to me. <tonyyarusso> You don't need assistance - you just need to sit there! :P <tonyyarusso> sparklehistory: 'k <_diablo> sorry, i was disconnected <jenkinbr> :O <jenkinbr> meeting :) <jenkinbr> sorry i walked in late <jenkinbr> wasn't connected yet <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: Plan to start just by sitting around with a stock theme so people notice. If you want to upgrade to handing out material and talking to people you can do that when ready. <tonyyarusso> although at least having a couple of live CDs for people who ask would be A Good Idea <jenkinbr> tonyyarusso, +1 <h00k> I concur. <jenkinbr> always have the liveCD's handy <h00k> I'll probably have documentation on the MN LoCo and WI LoCo since I'm on the border between WI and MN, basically <jenkinbr> probably a few of each flavor, if you can muster it <_diablo> tonyyarusso, will you be talking to people unprompted? <_diablo> and will you be using your computer? <tonyyarusso> _diablo: not to davidhull@example.net. I'll be chillin' with my netbook. <Takyoji> I always have a LiveCD on hand; pretty much anywhere I go. xP <_diablo> tonyyarusso, so you'll be using your computer, or just have it facing out towards people <tonyyarusso> _diablo: using <tonyyarusso> Enable a few desktop effects, do some nifty multi-tasking, make the people behind you double-take :) <h00k> desktop cube works nicely <_diablo> okay, fair enough, I'm just worried that people won't ask. I use my computer all the time and no one does that :-/ <_diablo> cube and wobbly windows <tonyyarusso> _diablo: you may be right. We can adjust as people are comfortable. <tonyyarusso> I have a lot of people ask at school, but not in general public. <_diablo> same. <tonyyarusso> Do what you're willing to try, see what happens, adjust as appropriate - there aren't strict rules other than "don't piss off the venue". <jenkinbr> lol <_diablo> lol <tonyyarusso> Okay, so it sounds like we have a St. Paul, a Mpls, a Duluth, and maybe something davidhull@example.net. That's a decent start. <tonyyarusso> So what I'd like to see with each of those is: <tonyyarusso> 1) Finalize your plan. <tonyyarusso> 2) Announce it on the mailing list <tonyyarusso> 3) Uh, do it. <tonyyarusso> 4) Report how it went <tonyyarusso> 5) Repeat! <tonyyarusso> Sound good? <Takyoji> So when approximately would the meeting start? I have some ideas to throw on the agenda <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: hrm? We're meetinging right now - go ahead and add them to the bottom. <h00k> deal. <h00k> tonyyarusso: although mine might be technically in WI, depending on where I go <tonyyarusso> Lastly on that topic, I've started poking around with some ideas of web site publicity for this, namely adding them to our calendar and hopefully adding them to a map as well, so people can find one near them. <tonyyarusso> h00k: right <tonyyarusso> Calendar is easy, but I could use a volunteer to do a little more research into the Geo Drupal modules - I've installed a few, but need you to poke around with them a bit and see what's the best fit for what we need. <tonyyarusso> Can I get someone willing to do that? <tonyyarusso> don't all jump up at once now :P <jenkinbr> I'm not entirely sure what we want to do with them, but I can poke around when I have a few spare minutes if someone is willing to fill me in. <h00k> tonyyarusso: can I ask who actually purchased the domain name? <tonyyarusso> jenkinbr: all right, I can try to explain what I'm thinking later. <tonyyarusso> h00k: Me. <h00k> tonyyarusso: that's what I thought, okay. <tonyyarusso> Just renewed it too. <tonyyarusso> all right, next up <tonyyarusso> This next one was actually Takyoji's idea. <tonyyarusso> Something about if people would like to put down on paper that they're willing to do such and such amount of work each week, from what I gather. <tonyyarusso> To me it sounded a bit like the 5-a-day effort, which has been rather successful in the bug world. <tonyyarusso> Care to explain more Takyoji ? <Takyoji> Hold on, I'll just copy/paste what I was writing on the page <Takyoji> "Set a general goal of what each participating user should accomplish. Mostly in regards of how much time taken. For example, at least 5 hours of volunteer work before the next monthly meeting. Anything from packaging, bug reporting/fixing, marketing materials, documentation, writing content (for the website, for Spread Ubuntu, etc)." <Takyoji> and when I say a goal, I mean overall perhaps. <Takyoji> This would be to have people potentially more active with contributing, people could be asking on the channel for help or ideas of what to do, which would help increase discussion on this channel a little bit more <_diablo> yeah, that would be good <tonyyarusso> So would this be basically a bragging rights thing, like Launchpad karma? <Takyoji> Generally <Takyoji> unless if we can think of more incentive for it somehow <h00k> LoCo Karma of sorts? <tonyyarusso> interesting <h00k> gold stars from tonyyarusso! <Takyoji> it would also be nice to have a "bookkeeper"/"secretary" <Takyoji> Whereas that person would be who everyone would report to <_diablo> Takyoji, I will be willing to do that <Takyoji> And if they don't hear from someone, they can be the one to remind them <_diablo> I'm an econ major, so I like spreadsheets <tonyyarusso> You know, I actually came across a few drupal modules for timekeeping and "upvoting" users - they could be useful for this. ie, "oh hei, I did 6 hours of work this month, including A, B, and C!", "tonyyarusso likes this" <tonyyarusso> That would allow people to be their own secretary - just submitting directly to the database. <Takyoji> thus having someone reminding people would be a nice thing to keep people on task, and put people in more of a mindset of contributing, rather than just doing it once and forgetting about it <Takyoji> ahh <tonyyarusso> _diablo: spreadsheets boo, RDMS yay! <Takyoji> A few other interesting ideas would be to consider if we should find other collaborative tools, like Google Wave, for contributing content for the website or something * mr_steve reads the scrollback... <tonyyarusso> _diablo: so I can talk to you about figuring out that kind of infrastructure and the reminding bit? Could you also do a writeup of the concept and post to the mailing list? (probably want to note that we're not requiring time - just letting people gloat about it) <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: Wave is silly until it's non-private. <_diablo> tonyyarusso, I can make it effectively non-private <_diablo> I have something like 40 invites I can hand out <tonyyarusso> Well, I still think it's silly in general, but at least non-useful until then :P <Takyoji> there's also Etherpad, but then that might be too simple <Takyoji> and yay, I actually had a reasonable idea for once! <tonyyarusso> Even if we have invites _diablo, I don't think most people want to sign up for yet another service. This is why I'm working on making our web site use Launchpad OpenID as the primary authentication. <Takyoji> My life is now complete. <_diablo> tonyyarusso, okay, fair enough. although I do think that everyone that uses linux probably has a google account <tonyyarusso> maybe <_diablo> tonyyarusso, and I can maintain things and be the annoying person checking up on others, but as far as setting up a web infrastructure, I will be less than useless <tonyyarusso> Okay, so between Takyoji and _diablo we'll hope to see an Action Item on that completed before next month and we can get a report then on what comes next. <tonyyarusso> _diablo: ah, noted. <tonyyarusso> _diablo: I can do the actual installing and stuff - you'd be more telling people how to use it and checking the results. <_diablo> tonyyarusso, I'm cool with that <tonyyarusso> Okay, next up is the t-shirt thing. <tonyyarusso> The update on that is that there's some interest, but not a ton (the survey so far has 10 shirts, I think 7 or 8 people, as interest expressed). <tonyyarusso> I think it would be wise to try to talk about it a bit more before doing anything, and what we really need is someone to just mention it a few times on the mailing list, solicit ideas, and try to get people excited about the concept. <tonyyarusso> Basically we got responses from the people who have come on IRC, but nobody else. I think that's because we basically just thrust a survey e-mail on the list with no background at all, so people we're a bit surprised by it. <tonyyarusso> Would someone like to step up to look after the follow-up on that, getting people excited about having branded shirts to wear around and have for group events and such? <tonyyarusso> This one's just writing a few e-mails - no real work required at this point, so it's low-hanging fruit for someone who hasn't volunteered for anything yet. <mr_steve> What're we talking about here, just sort of a "Hey, we're thinking about ordering t-shirts, what does everyone think?" or what? <tonyyarusso> mr_steve: kind of like that, but less open-ended. Don't just ask totally to the blue - be a salesman. <mr_steve> heh, that's never been my strong suit, just ask RadioShack :) <tonyyarusso> It's a bandwagon mentality thing. If people think it's exciting and popular, it will be. If they think it's just one guy posting a totally open question, it will be. <tonyyarusso> You can always write up your message in Gobby and have people here comment on it before sending if you'd like. <Takyoji> How about: a couple of us interested in the idea get together (just IRC though) and just discuss it further into details <mr_steve> Here's where I'm at with this: If no one else steps up, I'll take a crack at it, and I'll definitely write something up and discuss it here first for some improvements <tonyyarusso> That would work as well, as long as there are actually two or more people on paper as interested in following up. <tonyyarusso> So if Takyoji and mr_steve would like to coordinate with follow-up, we're good to go. <mr_steve> Works for me, Takyoji? <Takyoji> Works for me as well <tonyyarusso> cool <tonyyarusso> The last thing I see on here is starting to talk about Lucid release events. <tonyyarusso> I basically just wanted to get this on everyone's radar, and open if for any ideas people may already have, and get you thinking about it if you don't. <h00k> I'm going to talk with the Wi LoCo about getting perhaps a few around the state happening. <h00k> and maybe I'll make a trip over the bridge to MN for one <tonyyarusso> Release is scheduled for Thursday, 29 April, which means events could be that evening, the evening of Friday 30 April, all day Saturday 1 May, and/or afternoon/evening Sunday 2 May. <mr_steve> All I've got on the subject is that if something is set up, with a large enough venue, I'm willing & able to put up flyers at my school <_diablo> tonyyarusso, I'll attend an event. I will also post flyers at my school <_diablo> (UMN) <tonyyarusso> For the Twin Cities I strongly suspect we'll have access to TIES again, which gives us room for quite a few people. <tonyyarusso> As for flyers, the important thing is to start early. We need to finalize dates/times/locations in time to send that info to System76, who will in turn print and mail us nice half-sheet flyers for FREE, which we can then put up at schools, coffee shops, etc. <Takyoji> Ooo <mr_steve> Awseome <tonyyarusso> But, printing and mailing takes time (a week or two iirc), and putting up takes a couple of weeks, and then they should be up in time to give people a few weeks notice as well. <Takyoji> As a sidenote; how about the nice little Ubuntu stickers? :P <Takyoji> "Powered by Ubuntu" <mr_steve> Definitely have to start as early as possible with fliers, since I have no idea what the posting approval process at MCTC is like <tonyyarusso> Yeah, we can get those too. I have probably 75 still even now. <Takyoji> Could get some of those as well; and bring them to the installfest infact, if anyone wants any <Takyoji> Ooo <h00k> Takyoji: those are also provided by System76 if you're interested in being a "System76'er" they will send a bunch <h00k> I have approx 75 or so left, also <h00k> Also superkeys (generally the windows logo key) <tonyyarusso> Most schools you just have to find someone in the Student Life office (or similar) and get them to stamp it. It's pretty quick, but needs doing. Driving around to schools, coffee shops, community centers, libraries, and actually walking around posting them takes time though. <_diablo> mr_steve, at least at UMN, you can just post stuff. ppl tear it down eventually, but there's not really a policy <tonyyarusso> I really really really want to see *5* release events for Lucid. Northeast, Northwest, West Metro, East Metro, and South should *all* have at least one. <mr_steve> Yeah, MCTC requires a stamp from Student Life, which presumably is just a drop-in affair, but they could be busy and have a backlog, I dunno <_diablo> tonyyarusso, do we have a large enough populace for that? and location <tonyyarusso> h00k, ripps: This would be a good time to give that school from last time a ring btw. <_diablo> I assume we want at least 10 ppl at each event <h00k> tonyyarusso: good call, in Duluth, yeah. <tonyyarusso> _diablo: Even 4 people is a party. <_diablo> aight <tonyyarusso> _diablo: but properly advertised I think we do. We've been terrible at getting the word out before because we've always started too late. Talking about it now, we can make it happen if people put in the effort. <h00k> and encourage people of all ages, sexes, experiences <tonyyarusso> Remember that they don't all have to be highly organized things like the davidhull@example.net. h00k's dinner / drinks thing was great, and totally low-key to organize. <h00k> Also, optional alcoholic drinks, make sure it's not limited to some place that might be restrictive of drinks <tonyyarusso> right <tonyyarusso> We'll get into location details more in the future, but start thinking about it. <tonyyarusso> Any other things people want to mention in our last 5 minutes here? <h00k> My name is Anthony, and I love Ubuntu. <_diablo> My name is Marcos, and I don't mind Ubuntu. <Takyoji> :P <_diablo> eh, it's sadly true. <_diablo> but I do love GNU/Linux <Takyoji> Anyone in the general south-ish/central area, I'd be willing to attend <mr_steve> My name is steve, and I haven't run a non-free O/S (on bare hardware) in 180 consecutive days :) <jenkinbr> My name is Brian and I cuddle up every night with an Ubuntu Bear!!!! <_diablo> mr_steve, yay! <jenkinbr> OK, maybe not THAT extream... <jenkinbr> but I still love Ubuntu <Takyoji> Ooo, Ubuntu bear <_diablo> I actually do have a plush Tux >.< <jenkinbr> wait, shouldn't it be a tux? <jenkinbr> lol <jenkinbr> :) <mr_steve> Seriously though, I missed the Ubuntu Hour part of the meeting, so _diablo, if you've got a few minutes after we wrap up, we can hammer out some details <_diablo> I'll take him to Ubuntu Hour mr_steve <Takyoji> Man; we should be merchandising all types of stuff at these LoCos. :P <_diablo> yeah, sounds good man <Takyoji> Shirts, stickers, stuffed Tux, etc. :P <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: That would be fun :) <jenkinbr> well, I'm out <jenkinbr> gotta make a phone call <tonyyarusso> Thanks for coming everybody! That went well. <tonyyarusso> Feel free to keep chatting as usual of course. <Takyoji> If I make up some money, I may actually be willing to follow-through with such an idea. :P <mr_steve> It's always a blast, hopefully I can start attending the entire meeting, eventually. got a 1yr old boy here, makes scheduling difficult <_diablo> mr_steve, yeah, I understand that. <_diablo> mr_steve, Friday at what time? also, have you looked into coffee places around mctc? <mr_steve> _diablo: I'm out of class at 11:40, so anytime after that is cool. I'm looking for places near the 16 route now, probably in the vincinity of the hennipen light rail station? <_diablo> mr_steve, sounds good. <mr_steve> It's actually on my way home, so it works well for me to meet you somewhere in that area <_diablo> mr_steve, I'm available from 12:15 to 4:40 <_diablo> can be over there by 12:30 at the latest <_diablo> mr_steve, do you text? it might be good to be able to coordinate that way <_diablo> as we get closer to friday <_diablo> 6585208393 <mr_steve> I do text. I don't have a phone though, just google voice, so I can't always reply right away <mr_steve> 6585208393 <_diablo> ah, fair. <3 gVoice. I'm using that one too <mr_steve> So I'm kind of at a toss-up between a Dunn Bros or this Ambrosia Coffee place, 430 1st Ave N #101 <_diablo> I lean towards ambrosia, but we can figure out if it sucks when we get there <mr_steve> Yeah I try to stay away from the chains, myself. Let's tentatively plan for Ambrosia, and maybe I'll bring the map of alternates along <mr_steve> And I'll have a phone in a couple weeks once I get my loan money, that'll make planning things a bit easier I imagine <_diablo> probably <mr_steve> _diablo: I almost forgot, but I also wanted to go over the format a little bit here. I'm thinking this first one at least will be very informal, we won't talk to the management, keep it low key, get a feel for what we're doing <mr_steve> Yanno, just sit and talk Ubuntu and see if anyone nearby gets curious <mr_steve> sound good to you? <_diablo> sounds great <ripps> dang, I missed the meeting, didn't I? <_diablo> I'll partition my hard drive and set up an ubuntu boot <_diablo> ripps, yeah <ripps> Why did the meeting have to be during House? <mr_steve> I'll just have my netbook most likely, so I won't be able to show off the eye candy. Maybe I'll drag the laptop along too, we'll see. 12:30, 13:00, something like that? <_diablo> yeah. I'll be there right around 120 <_diablo> s/120/1230 <mr_steve> Alrighty then, I'm gonna wander off and do some more homewerk, keep in touch <_diablo> yup <mr_steve> btw, is anyone runnin lucid yet? I'm considering updating at least one of my machines to check it out. <_diablo> mr_steve, I have a virtualbox that's going fine <Takyoji> I feel like the insane maniac to dual-boot it on my 9.10 desktop <Takyoji> although if I were to use it primarily; then there wouldn't be as much of an isolation factor than when using it in Virtualbox (in terms of reproducability and other factors perhaps) <Takyoji> I guess I probably should though <mr_steve> I might give it a shot on my netbook to see if it fixes the crash I get with my wireless drivers. Tho it'll probably just make it worse... <_diablo> mr_steve, probably, but won't hurt (more than 6 hours) to try <mr_steve> exactly <Takyoji> Anyone know how to checkout code from a code branch on Launchpad? <Takyoji> I'm compelled to poke at the loco-directory projects perhaps <Takyoji> project* <mr_steve> Takyoji: bzr clone <branch-url> <mr_steve> I think, it's been a while <mr_steve> ahha, actually bzr branch lp:loco-directory <mr_steve> that should create your own local branch, which you can then edit, commit, etc, and eventually send a merge-request if you have changes you want to contribute <Takyoji> Something that would be useful to be done in regards of the Spread Ubuntu project or something would be to have various statistics (facts though, not necessarily percentages that deal with users or probability) that could be used in marketing materials <Takyoji> Like a record of contributors, code, all the projects it comprises of, etc <Takyoji> Leaving for the night <Takyoji> I suppose I have a reasonable suggestion: We should also keep record of meeting minutes as well <mr_steve> Takyoji, that'd probably be nice. We have the logs, but concise minutes would definitely be more useful <Takyoji> It would pretty much almost just be "answering" the agenda <mr_steve> Yeah, basically. <mr_steve> Someone could probably just do it after the fact, from the logs #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-02-03 <mr_steve> Hm, if we ever get a supybot in this channel, I bet the todo list plugin would be great for meeting agendas <Takyoji> Gah, I have yet to write a profile page for my account on the Ubuntu Wiki <mr_steve> me too. I think I started to, but never finished it <Takyoji> Just finished World of Goo <_diablo> Takyoji, how was it? I've only played the demo, but I enjoyed that <Takyoji> The music is beautiful; the story is interesting/random (thus considerably a light laugh occasionally as well), and it's actually not too hard <_diablo> yeah, if it weren't proprietary, I'd be all over it <Takyoji> There's also the alternate realm where you can just go ahead and build various things with the Goo as well <_diablo> Takyoji, yeah, I tried that, but it didn't like my interwebs connection for sharing <Takyoji> ahh <_diablo> do you know where a good place would be to learn about connecting to a wireless network via CLI would be? <_diablo> the ones that I've tried haven't really worked <mr_steve> I can give you a quick primer <mr_steve> I don't know why there's no good CLI interface to NetworkManager, I'm gonna have to get around to writing one someday. But doing it by hand just takes a few commands, really <_diablo> mr_steve, I tried the ifconfig, iwlist, iwconfig, dhclient approach, but it didn't work. I used the approach here: http://www.ghacks.net/2009/04/14/connect-to-a-wireless-network-via-command-line/ <_diablo> I have a broadcom card and am using the STA driver in case that matters <mr_steve> _diablo, was there any security on the network you were trying to connect to? <_diablo> mr_steve, yes. I tried it with wpa, and obviously I would need to figure out wpa-supplicant, so I changed it to wep, but that didn't work either <mr_steve> okay, yeah that article you linked to lies about wpa, but you know that already. <_diablo> mr_steve, #fedora just recommended I use cnetworkmanager <_diablo> mr_steve, yeah, I know :) <mr_steve> There is one thing missing from that guide that I seem to always have to do <_diablo> what's that? <mr_steve> After doing the iwconfig wlan0 essid "whatever", I usually seem to need to do iwconfig wlan0 ap auto before it will associate <_diablo> hmmmm <_diablo> okay, I'll add that to my list and try it <mr_steve> seems at least with some drivers setting the essid just tells the card which network it should be a part of, but ap needs to be set or auto for it to actually connect to an individual ap <mr_steve> since although it's a rare setup, there can be more than on BSSID for a given ESSID. Like for roaming between APs <mr_steve> Thanks for reminding me about cnetworkmanager, too. It's not in the repos, I should try and roll up a .deb over the weekend <mr_steve> ah it's written in python. pythoncentral fun, yay. I'll probably have a .deb in my PPA soonish <_diablo> it's in the fedora repos ;) <mr_steve> Yup. Heh, I keep forgetting you're not an ubuntuholic like I am :) <_diablo> davidhull@example.net. ubuntu annoys me more often than I enjoy it. but I still give it to people like the cig companies do with their cigarettes. <mr_steve> haha, nice. <_diablo> brb, I'm gonna try ratpoison wireless <_diablo> mr_steve, does 128 vs 64 WEP matter? <_diablo> for iwconfig I mean <mr_steve> _diablo, not sure. I think iwconfig figures it out based on the key length. Are you providing the key as hexadecimal digits? <_diablo> mr_steve, I was going to use the s: switch <_diablo> brb, going to try this for real now <Takyoji> Anyone know of FreeNX? <mr_steve> Takyoji, I've heard of, but never used it. Supposed to be an X server for Win32, innit? <mr_steve> well folks if anyone's interested there's now a package for cnetworkmanager in my PPA. I'm ~smcgrath23 on launchpad. <mr_steve> I've been playing with it a bit and it seems to be working, and pretty decent to use <Takyoji> I take it that you packaged it? <mr_steve> Takyoji, yup. I'm gonna try to clean it up a little more and get it into the repos, since there's already a needs-packaging bug for it <Takyoji> ahh <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: So you're volunteering to write up minutes, right? :) <Takyoji> I may be willing to in fact <Takyoji> Is there some form of a list or a method to find projects that need a package maintainer? <_diablo> Takyoji, not that I know of, sorry, I'd ask on #ubuntu <tonyyarusso> The better place to ask would be the MOTU mailing list. <_diablo> or that <Takyoji> Mark of the Unicorn? :D <Takyoji> Someone should tweak the wiki page for MOTU <Takyoji> (on Wikipedia) <Takyoji> otherwise I know what you mean; Masters of the Universe <Takyoji> Leaving for the night <_diablo> nn <mr_steve> tonyyarusso, is it possible for us to get a project cloak on freenode? Dunno if freenode actually considers us a project? * mr_steve is updating the netbook to lucid... <kermit> i think freenode would be happy to do that <kermit> mr_steve: <mr_steve> yeah, they probably would. There's not really too much point to it, but hey, why not? <h00k> I think I just had an Ubuntu Hour with my barber. <_diablo> haha, really? were you convincing? <h00k> _diablo: I...think so, yeah <h00k> I wasn't really trying to convince, I just asked him questions he had about it <h00k> "why is it safer," things like that <_diablo> that's good <_diablo> and those kinds of relaxed conversations are what we need <_diablo> often just saying the word is 50% of the battle. get it in their heads so when they hear it again, they're more receptive <h00k> he asked my major, and it sort of went from there <h00k> we covered a broad range of topics <h00k> from mobile phones and their trends, how silly the ipad is, <_diablo> lol <h00k> bah, what was the last message? <h00k> I'm trying to fix my irssi <_diablo> <h00k> he asked my major, and it sort of went from there <_diablo> <h00k> we covered a broad range of topics <_diablo> <h00k> from mobile phones and their trends, how silly the ipad is, <_diablo> <_diablo> lol <_diablo> * h00k has quit (Quit: breaking things) <_diablo> * h00k (~anthonyrh@unaffiliated/h00k) has joined #ubuntu-us-mn <_diablo> <h00k> bah, what was the last message? <_diablo> <h00k> I'm trying to fix my irssi <_diablo> brb <h00k> hah, okay., <Takyoji> Woo, nobody's acknowledging my existence on #ubuntu-motu <Takyoji> With a total of 216 users <Takyoji> (I asked a question and got no answer on that channel; while others are blabbing) <_diablo> back <_diablo> Takyoji, can you repeat? I didn't see your question <Takyoji> Someone just answered it now; I was asking of reasonable materials for getting involved with packaging <_diablo> ah <Takyoji> Otherwise I'm glad to see conversation going on in this channel <mr_steve> Hey h00k, do you happen to have any idea why my 'unaffiliated' cloak has a bunch of crap at the end and yours doesn't? <h00k> 16:35 mr_steve <steve@unaffiliated/mr-steve/x-2535065> <h00k> good question <h00k> I have no idea, actually <h00k> check #freenode <mr_steve> yeah I'll have to bug the staff again I guess. Would you mind checking my WHOIS and seeing if it's at least hiding my hostname? It still shows when I WHOIS myself <_diablo> * [mr_steve] (steve@unaffiliated/mr-steve/x-2535065): Steve McGrath <_diablo> * [mr_steve] #ubuntu-us-mn <_diablo> * [mr_steve] hubbard.freenode.net :Pittsburgh, PA, US <mr_steve> ah thanks _diablo <h00k> 16:35 mr_steve <steve@unaffiliated/mr-steve/x-2535065> <h00k> 16:35 ircname : Steve McGrath <h00k> 16:35 channels : #ubuntu-us-mn <h00k> 16:35 server : hubbard.freenode.net [Pittsburgh, PA, US] <h00k> 16:35 account : mr_steve <h00k> 16:35 End of WHOIS <h00k> yeah, that's what I have <mr_steve> Well I'm glad the cloak's working, even if it looks a little funky <mr_steve> I was notcing a correlation between snort alerts on my firewall and the times spent hanging out in certain channels... <mr_steve> aha. my cloak has the random numbers at the end because of the underscore in my nick. Guess I either gotta live with it or change my account name. Meh. <Takyoji> Didn't know there was an Ubuntu Pastebin <h00k> pastebin.ubuntu.com <kermit> :/ i cant find my #ubuntu tab, someone say my nick in there <kermit> n/m i got it <Takyoji> That's right; I have yet to install Lucid Lynx yet <Takyoji> of which I'll hopefully get done tonight <h00k> I just finished setting up a dualboot on my lappy today <Obsidian1723> NYou going to install that on a production box or a devel machine? <Takyoji> My primary desktop <Takyoji> I'll be sure that my work and so forth is properly backed up and so forth; in case if anything goes wrong <Obsidian1723> Dang, Id never install Alpha or B eta on a primary box. <Obsidian1723> Yeah, Remastersys works well for that. <kermit> :( apt-get remove doestn actuallly remove the files for me <kermit> and trying again it says the pacakges are removed, but they're still htere.. gigs in /usr/share/games <kermit> i guess i can manually remove them, but i'm pretty sure apt-get was supposed to <Takyoji> Which game(s)? <Obsidian1723> --purge <Obsidian1723> autoremove <Obsidian1723> one of thse should do the trick #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-02-04 <mr_steve> I installed Lucid on my netbook today, seems to be working well except for some package conflicts <Takyoji> I'm about to install Lucid right now on my desktop <mr_steve> And my wireless hasn't OOPSd yet. Have to see what it does at school tommorrow before I call it fixed <Takyoji> Gah, my LiveUSB isn't booting <Takyoji> Used Unetbootin <mr_steve> Hmm I've never used it <mr_steve> I've only got experience with usb-creator <Takyoji> That's what I'm going to try instead <Takyoji> Random idea: Should also have a key signing party or something at some point <Takyoji> or do such during an installfest <mr_steve> Takyoji, that'd be cool. Neither of my keys have any sigs except my own <Takyoji> I don't have mine signed either; I'm not even sure if I've even signed anything with it yet. xP <mr_steve> I sign most of my emails, and I've signed the Ubuntu CoC, but that's about it. Mostly I just use pgp for encryption <Takyoji> Gah; it still didn't boot my USB flash drive.. <Takyoji> I guess my BIOS saw it as a harddrive rather a removable medium.. <Takyoji> rather than a removable medium* <Takyoji> Woo; graphical issues <mr_steve> oh fun <mr_steve> If by chance you've got a Radeon 7500 series in there, I can tell you what the problem is. Otherwise, no clue. <Takyoji> I have an NVIDIA 8800GT <Takyoji> I was using 10.04 on the LiveUSB <Takyoji> and when I tried to restart, I had a messed and colorful CLI-format display <Takyoji> Now let's wait in suspense as my harddrive partitions get massacred. :P <mr_steve> I hate Ubuntu's partitioner. I'm never 100% certain what the options mean, and I hate the suspense and looming dread while it's resizing partitions. <Takyoji> I understand it; I was just joking in the implication of using the daily build of 10.04 <mr_steve> oh yeah, I know what you're saying. The thing does creep me out though. <Takyoji> Is the bootloader different in 10.04? <mr_steve> Still grub2 <Takyoji> Erm <Takyoji> After GRUB I mean.. <Takyoji> Not the bootloader <mr_steve> oh, the splash screen? I think it is. Does 9.10 say "Ubuntu" or just have the logo? cuz 10.04 says "Ubuntu" and then the logo. Other than that it's the same <Takyoji> For me it's a blue, skyblue, and white progress bar; like the one of Fedora <mr_steve> Hmm. <Takyoji> (CLI display) <mr_steve> That's probably not a good thing... <mr_steve> I've definitely not seen anything looking like that before <Takyoji> Gah, I can't find a video of it <Takyoji> Overall, I don't get the Ubuntu splash screen; until GDM <Takyoji> This is the boot screen I'm talking about: http://www.techarena.in/files/image/guide/092009/install_fedora_11/3_fedora_boot_screen.JPG <Takyoji> Just doesn't say Fedora <Obsidian1723> Gentoo <mr_steve> Eh? <mr_steve> Just a wild guess, but maybe the Ubuntu xsplash theme is missing, and maybe that's what xsplash looks like unthemed <Takyoji> It's supposedly called "Plymouth" <mr_steve> Ah Plymouth, I forgot about that. Did you do a clean install? I upgraded from 9.10, so things are probably a little different <Takyoji> Clean install; dual-booting with 9.10 <Takyoji> Apparently "jockey" isn't working properly as of installing the Nvidia drivers <Obsidian1723> Beware the bad Karma of 9.10... <Takyoji> which would be? :P <mr_steve> Hm my netbook has plymouth installed, but I think it's broken. For the first 15-20 seconds I just have a blinking cursor, followed by a few seconds of xsplash, then GDM <Takyoji> heh ahh <Takyoji> otherwise I might file a bug report tomorrow (I'll run updates as well) <mr_steve> Heh I just noticed lucid netbook remix brought back GDM's session selector, I can login to a full gnome desktop if I want, yay. <Takyoji> heh <Takyoji> I'm looking at the map on Launchpad and apparently my location has been removed <Takyoji> Oh; I was looking at the old Launchpad group <Obsidian1723> 9.10 is just a bit buggy is all. <mr_steve> If anyone's got an Acer AOD250 netbook, it looks like BIOS 1.26 was just released, which supposedly fixes the CPU speed problem <mr_steve> Finally gonna get my money's worth :) <Takyoji> Ooo <mr_steve> Pissed me off terribly having my CPU davidhull@example.net when I paid an extra $50 for the 1.66 <Takyoji> ahh <Takyoji> I guess there's a call for testers of the installation of ATI/NVIDIA drivers on a weekly basisi <Takyoji> basis* <Takyoji> for 10.04 I believe <Takyoji> I'm just curious; how many mailing lists are all of you subscribed to? <kermit> Takyoji: it depends what you mean by mailing list <tonyyarusso> mr_steve, kermit: No, we are not a project by Freenode's definition. We fall under the umbrella of the Ubuntu project, which does have a cloak. <mr_steve> tonyyarusso: ah, I see. Heh I knew you'd reply when you got a chance. Ubuntu project cloaks only go to Ubuntu Members though, right? <tonyyarusso> mr_steve: Correct. <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: 35 Ubuntu ones, plus a few outside of that realm. <kermit> mr_steve: would a group cloak suffice? <kermit> or, 'organization' cloak <mr_steve> kermit: That's the same as a project cloak, isn't it? i.e. you have to belong to a group that freenode recognizes? <kermit> mr_steve: i think so <mr_steve> I'm content with my unaffiliated cloak, since I got it for security reasons. <kermit> mr_steve: are you ircing from a top secret location? <mr_steve> heh nope, I just started to notice that when I was joined to some of the larger and more chaotic channels, the volume of snort alerts on my firewall would increase... <mr_steve> So I figure if my ip is hidden, the bored script-kiddie types will go bother someone else instead. <kermit> hiding isnt really security <mr_steve> no, it davidhull@example.net. I trust my firewall for actual security. I just figure it takes me off the target list for whatever bored kids are randomly probing people they find on IRC <mysteriousdarren> so what is the best config for a firewall? <tonyyarusso> With the machines behind it unplugged. <mr_steve> yep, air-gap. In all seriousness though, I'm pretty happy with pfSense for a firewall/router <mysteriousdarren> well obviously it needs to be plugged in.... <mr_steve> Well, the "best config" doesn't really exist. It largely depends on your needs. <mysteriousdarren> where can i get air-gap? im looking to secure a lan, and wanted a firewall for each computer. there will be four on the network <mr_steve> Heh, that was a joke, "air-gap" meaning a gap between the network cable and computer. <h00k> I had an impromptu Ubuntu Hour today! <h00k> Granted, it was in Wisconsin <tonyyarusso> yay <tonyyarusso> who cares where it was? it still counts. <h00k> :D <h00k> It was fun, anyway. <h00k> I'm going to have another one this weekend in Superior <tonyyarusso> sparklehistory and I are planning to hang out Thursday afternoon at a Barnes & Noble. <mr_steve> And it looks like diablo and I are still on for Friday at Ambrosia Coffee downtown <h00k> Nice, nice. I'll be at a coffee shop <h00k> well, exigraff, myself, and Brittany <Takyoji> I need to find minions in my area to carry out my devious deeds... <mr_steve> When I can afford to I'll definitely have to get some stickers or shirts or something. And more blank CDs <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: yes, yes you do. <mr_steve> Or better yet, some real pressed Ubuntu CDs <h00k> Yeah, I should definitely get some CD's <Takyoji> I'm going to bug nnonix to see if he has any suggestions for possible locations for an installfest <Takyoji> If I can find an email address <tonyyarusso> oh, I should probably install my DVD burner in my main desktop a burn a few - probably easier than doing it all on the nettop. <tonyyarusso> Maybe I'll be able to reseat the front panel USB cable too and fix whatever the heck is up with that. <Takyoji> For? Because otherwise I'd be willing to burn billions <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: for just having around during Ubuntu Hours in case anyone asks. <Takyoji> ahh <mr_steve> Yeah, I want to have some LiveCDs so if someone likes what they see I can just say "here, take it home and try it out!" <tonyyarusso> Some day I'll win the lottery and get one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827196133 <mr_steve> Heh my old school had something kinda like that, but more ghetto <mr_steve> It was just a SCSI cd-tower we used for various CDs shared over the LAN. But we swapped all the drives with burners <tonyyarusso> These things are awesome - they burn all of them at once, multicasting to the burners. <mr_steve> Yup <Takyoji> hah, insane <mr_steve> I would have loved having one of those at my last couple jobs <Takyoji> Also, yes, I have LightScribe <tonyyarusso> Some models have a hard drive bay too, so you can store your frequently-burned images. <mr_steve> I once spent 2 days at work burning Vista install media.. No DVDs, it was like 4-5 CD iirc, whole bunch of copies <mr_steve> they had to be labeled by hand with the product
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