#ubuntu-marketing 2006-12-01 <dotwaffle> jenda: I studied Latin. I stopped when I could ;) <jenda> hehe :) <jenda> dotwaffle: I have it as an optional subject ;) <dotwaffle> :) I've always wanted to learn an auxillary language, I figured I'd either learn Latin or Ido. In the end, I learned Python ;) <jenda> lol <jenda> as a lawyer in a civil law country, I will have a use for latin :) <jenda> or at least I can look smart :/ <dotwaffle> would a nice suit not do that job better? :) <jenda> hehe :) <jenda> not a job, it's study atm :) <dotwaffle> What are people's thoughts on Wine in Ubuntu, btw? <jenda> For me, it's a temporary solution to a permanent problem. I avoid it. <Burgwork> it works for somethings not for others <Burgwork> totally unsupportable <dotwaffle> So many people I show Ubuntu to are prevented from total migration by one or two applications, typically in-house developed. Just wondering what people though about it. <jenda> You should offer it as a solution. <dotwaffle> Yeah, I just don't hace the experience in Wine... Ought to spend an afternoon with it.. <atoponce> jenda: do you know the octal or hex value for your cool smiley? <lotusleaf> dotwaffle: re: wine, try asking in #ubuntu-offtopic, where I'll respond. ;) <dotwaffle> cheers ;) <lotusleaf> dotwaffle: (= also #winehq is a good channel <dotwaffle> It was more of an ubuntu query, as opposed to Wine. Of course Wine is going to pimp Wine ;) <atoponce> <lotusleaf> dotwaffle: which is why I presented you with three options and three IRC channels: wine, crossover, and cedega * rjian good morning people <lotusleaf> rjian: good evening <rjian> hello lotusleaf <lotusleaf> hi <jenda> atoponce: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/List_of_Keysyms_Recognised_by_Xmodmap <jenda> look for kana_TSU <atoponce> jenda: found it <atoponce> unicode.org/charts <Burgundavia_> good evening me lovlies <Burgundavia_> whose up for some Herd1 release notes hacking? * Madpilot is hard of herding <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: you there? <poningru> Burgundavia: give me like another hour <Burgundavia> sounds good <Burgundavia> I will flesh out a shell <poningru> Burgundavia: ready <poningru> linky? <Burgundavia> in gobby <Burgundavia> just a sec <Burgundavia> can you copy in the raw bits from a Knot release page? <poningru> k <poningru> did you make a page in gobby yet? <Burgundavia> nope <poningru> making one: herd 1 <Burgundavia> got it <Burgundavia> hey tonyyaru <tonyyaru1so> Hey Burgund <Burgundavia> heh <Burgundavia> want to work on the Herd 1 doc? <tonyyarusso> Maybe if I can over the weekend? Not tonight. <poningru> when is herd going to be released? <tonyyarusso> I think it's "when the installer works" <elkbuntu> yep, that's my impression also <Burgundavia> yep <Burgundavia> which means have have tonight to get this done <tonyyarusso> Dangit <tonyyarusso> Well, what sorts of things get done on a Herd 1 doc? <tonyyarusso> Any that can be done if very small time increments? <Burgundavia> yep <Burgundavia> can you get us screenshots of sudoku and chess? <tonyyarusso> That sounds simple enough * tonyyarusso played sudoku for the first time recently <Burgundavia> do you see how the older screenshots are done, shrunk and drop shadow added <Burgundavia> ? <elkbuntu> i do <Burgundavia> excellent <Burgundavia> given my gimp skills are sadly lacking, somebody is going to have to get that rocking <tonyyarusso> I can shrink, not sure about drop shadow. I'll try. <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: then deliver the screenshots in complete form <elkbuntu> i will be the screenshot shadower person if need be <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: Point me to one of the pages with an example of what I'm shooting for? <Burgundavia> anybody else running Feisty? * tonyyarusso likes living on the edge <Burgundavia> a basic screenshot of the app <Burgundavia> nothing fancy <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: should we email the screenshots to you and you can do the necessary work? * atoponce loves sudoku <elkbuntu> yeah, that'd be the best way to have consistancy <Burgundavia> aside from GNOME and the kernel, what else has changed that is user visible? <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: @ubuntu? <Burgundavia> talking only Ubuntu here <tonyyarusso> Well, I saw a little app crash notification icon for the first time today, but I doubt I can reproduce it. <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, i've never tried the ubuntu address i theoretically have... douglassanchez@example.org is guaranteed <tonyyarusso> 'k <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: Away <elkbuntu> received <Burgundavia> we can use all the moin code we want in this one, as it is going on the website <elkbuntu> ok, those are done. http://meldra.no-ip.info/feistyscreenshots <Burgundavia> please create a Herd1 wiki page and upload them <poningru> will do <Burgundavia> actually <Burgundavia> FeistyFawn/Herd1 <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: upload your images to that page <poningru> yeah made it <poningru> doh <poningru> mid air collision * tonyyarusso catches pieces and grabs fire extinguisher <elkbuntu> poningru, it's ok.. i figured you'd gone quicker and cancelled * Burgundavia calls the Dharma Initiative <elkbuntu> lol <poningru> oblargh? <tonyyarusso> Eeeblgleeb <Burgundavia> you working, you lot? * Burgundavia gets our his really big whips <Burgundavia> anybody need a job? <poningru> yeah /me <poningru> sorry its just fixing a friends gentoo box <Burgundavia> can you finish my intro paragraph <poningru> kk <Burgundavia> paraphrase off scotts blog post <Burgundavia> and link to it <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: you busy? <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: you must need a job <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: I can do another. <Burgundavia> do you have feisty? <elkbuntu> i have two flavours of feisty <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: I do <Burgundavia> I need someone that can show the new UI for gpm controlling frequency <tonyyarusso> gpm controlling frequency? <tonyyarusso> huH? <Burgundavia> cpu frequency <tonyyarusso> Okay <tonyyarusso> That makes a lot more sense than me thinking about something related to the 'gpm' package. <tonyyarusso> um, where is it? <Burgundavia> gnome-power-manager <Burgundavia> appears there is no UI <Burgundavia> so I need a short para on the following changes: <Burgundavia> gdm theme changes, new metacity theme and that gpm thing <Burgundavia> I need urls for all three as well <Burgundavia> for gdm, look on the gdm mailing list <Burgundavia> for metacity, ditto <Burgundavia> for gpm, look at hughsies blog <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: I have a screenshot for you <Admiral_Chicago> jenda: ping <poningru> woot dude fixed the glib prob <poningru> err wrong channel <Admiral_Chicago> Burgundavia: documentation? <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, right on it <Burgundavia> Admiral_Chicago: documentation? <Admiral_Chicago> looking forward to Feisty i meant <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, ... where's the window decoration? <Burgundavia> ah, fucking compiz <elkbuntu> yeah, it's a bit like that <elkbuntu> i havent bothered reinstalling it yet <Burgundavia> let me reshoot <Burgundavia> man metacity works so much better <elkbuntu> imagine that <poningru> hehe <Admiral_Chicago> Burgundavia: i like Beryl a LOT better <Burgundavia> Admiral_Chicago: tbh, they are both crap <Burgundavia> and I am scared shitless of beryl's development cycle and general structure <Admiral_Chicago> i wish i didn't have them installed but man it's impressive. it's just not functional <Admiral_Chicago> it's eye candy <Burgundavia> I suspect CompositeByDefault will die on the floor, due to technical limitations <Burgundavia> ie: compiz and beryl are not "enterprise ready" <Admiral_Chicago> no it's not ready for the desktop <Admiral_Chicago> if anything, it should have been in Edgy <Admiral_Chicago> i don't see anything wrong with one "testing", two stable release, one testing release cycle <Admiral_Chicago> Edgy was a testing release, dapper was really stable and a solid system <Burgundavia> that isn't how upstream works <Burgundavia> and given 98% of our bugs come from upstream... <Admiral_Chicago> thats true. <Burgundavia> I have now filed 11 bugs on compiz in 2 days <Burgundavia> you realize what this means? <Burgundavia> poningru: feel free to finish the GNOME stuff <Burgundavia> I need to hack at the kernel stuff <poningru> k <Admiral_Chicago> Burgundavia: the real beef I have is the "one desktop" thing <Burgundavia> yes, that drives me bonkers <Burgundavia> it was needed for the ridiculous cube crap <Admiral_Chicago> if i'm on a seperate viewport, i DONT want to see the other open windows in other viewports in my taskbar <Admiral_Chicago> it makes me nuts <Admiral_Chicago> and i want to be able to put a different background on a different viewport <Admiral_Chicago> that would make me happy <Admiral_Chicago> don't get me wrong, the developers do amazing work <poningru> yeah what would be really cool is to expand the polyhedron according to the number of viewports added <poningru> wtf <poningru> wiki.gnome.org just gave me server down <Burgundavia> live.gnome.org <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: mind doing your spelling lovelyness? <Burgundavia> we are almost ready <poningru> Burgundavia: I dont know about that last comment in gobby <Burgundavia> right <poningru> theme and gpm should be seperate imho <Burgundavia> for those smaller changes,without a screenshot, we should group them together <poningru> well there is a bunch of theme changes that are being grouped together <poningru> and for the gpm you cant really do a screeny <Burgundavia> yep, but none of those have a UI yet <poningru> right <poningru> mostly backend <Burgundavia> no screenshot == no section <poningru> :( <poningru> I dont know if I like that one <poningru> but dude power is reall != theme <poningru> really* <poningru> grouping them together is like grouping cpu and hdd together... not even same category <Burgundavia> themes are interesting, but neither of those things are really: I am going to install Feisty over them <Burgundavia> hence they are minor changes <Burgundavia> we are grouping by interesting-ness, not location in the desktop <elkbuntu> "Of course, one game did get axed. Sadly " <elkbuntu> what comes next? <poningru> Burgundavia: I'd say power is interesting <poningru> especially lower mem usage <Burgundavia> minor stuff <poningru> people eat that up <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: right, need to figure out which game got axed <elkbuntu> iirc there used to be 2 majhong games <Burgundavia> yep, ataxx got dropped <poningru> Burgundavia: if you are serious about this then I will combine them... but I still say we should give them each their section <poningru> especially power <Burgundavia> lets do one section, see how it looks and then make a decions <poningru> kk <elkbuntu> one thing im waiting for, or if its just me that hasnt found it, an easier way... an option for gnome-panel icons to need double-click <Burgundavia> maybe the new applet stuff will do it <elkbuntu> im talking about the launchers <Burgundavia> those are applets <Burgundavia> hmm, maybe a video of the doubleclicking action? <poningru> can someone go to bugs.ubuntu.com? <Burgundavia> it works <Burgundavia> redirects to lp <poningru> hmm <Burgundavia> a bit slow <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: how is the spell checking going? <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, looks fine to me <Burgundavia> excellent <Burgundavia> one thing to check, then I think we can copy <Burgundavia> poningru: we looking good from your end? <elkbuntu> "a new theme version for the desktop, allowing for better themes" should that be 'a new themer'? <elkbuntu> line 32 <poningru> yeah looking good <Burgundavia> right * elkbuntu points at her question above * poningru shrugs <Burgundavia> reworded <Burgundavia> anybody editing? <Burgundavia> copying back <elkbuntu> let me typo your rewording first <elkbuntu> now you may <Burgundavia> I love you :) <elkbuntu> of course <poningru> group hug!! * poningru hugs elkbuntu and Burgundavia <Burgundavia> yay! <elkbuntu> :) <Burgundavia> request: can you reshoot those two screenshots at the same size? <Burgundavia> and reupload them with nicer names? <Burgundavia> without spaces <Burgundavia> see http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/flight2 <elkbuntu> hmm? which two? <Burgundavia> never mind, got it <poningru> Burgundavia: you still editing? <Burgundavia> yep <Burgundavia> done in a sec <poningru> couple of things with the massive merge from deb title <poningru> and the disk analyzer attachement <elkbuntu> do you need me to re-shadow things? <Burgundavia> nope, got it <Burgundavia> yours to edit <poningru> kk <poningru> done <poningru> too many pics <poningru> err screenies <Burgundavia> yep, I know <poningru> larger ones without dropshadows <Burgundavia> I am making them links soon <poningru> cool <Burgundavia> ping me when you are done <poningru> Burgundavia: err I really dont have anything else to... <Burgundavia> right, I thought you were editing <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, if you're editing, un-bold the ataxx line * rjian is away (rjian is on OFFLINE) <elkbuntu> rjian[out] , please please please, disable away messages <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: editing done, please check <elkbuntu> You can find out more about Ubuntu on our [WWW] website, [irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/ubuntu IRC channel] and [WWW] wiki. <elkbuntu> that doesnt look right... <Burgundavia> you fixing it? <elkbuntu> not yet, go for it <Burgundavia> nixternal: kubuntu herd page ready? <nixternal> yes <nixternal> been ready..but there is no Kubuntu Herd 1 ;( <Burgundavia> nope, but that gave us time to whip up a Ubuntu Herd 1 page <nixternal> hehe <nixternal> at least there is a Herd 1 image for Ubuntu and Edubuntu <poningru> elkbuntu: sorry what was wrong with it? <poningru> the irc thing? or the [WWW] <elkbuntu> poningru, irc thing <elkbuntu> moin didnt parse it <Burgundavia> ok, now the page has the same byline as the UWN <Burgundavia> I need to sleep, so final checks <poningru> hmm <poningru> lame <poningru> there is no HERD1? <poningru> for kubuntu <atoponce> not exactly tactful, but funny nonetheless: http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/518/tagthemoneyul8.jpg <atoponce> some more spread ubuntu stuff: http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=2300&cat=500&ppuser=71909 <dgold> why the differentiation of LiveCD vs Install - isn't current terminology Desktop vs Alternate? <dgold> reading the marketing pages on launchpad/wiki - there were surveys being done, with imput date in early October. <dgold> There doesn't appear to be a results date for those... <atoponce> seems to me elkbuntu released the results of that survey? <atoponce> maybe not <dgold> can't see results liked anywhere <dgold> the MarketingSurvey wiki sill shows ?? for any results/analysis <tonyyarusso> atoponce, dgold: She's still processing them (slowly - busy person). <somerville32> _o/ <Admiral_Chicago> poningru: there should be <poningru> what? <poningru> wow good timing <Admiral_Chicago> kubuntu herd 1 <jenda> yo, MitchM, somerville32... others ;) <somerville32> Heya Jenda <MitchM> hey jenda <somerville32> no posters yet <g> <jenda> aww <jenda> they'll get there ;) <poningru> oh hehe <MitchM> jenda, Whats up? <jenda> atoponce: those are old SU designs <jenda> at the time, SU had a sligthly different goal, I think. <jenda> But something of that sort would still have its use, I think. <jenda> MitchM: lots, and not much at the same time :) <MitchM> =) well -- sounds just about right to me <atoponce> http://blog.josephhall.com/2006/11/sugar-cookies.html ubuntu sugar cookies <atoponce> recipe and all <jenda> omg <atoponce> nice, eh? <jenda> For the unindoctrinated, wheat flour contains two proteins: gliadin and glutenin. When these two proteins get together and get wet, they turn into gluten. And the more gluten is worked (via mixing, kneading, etc), the more elastic it gets, which of course makes it chewier. <jenda> I've never seen such a geeky recipe, but it fits ;) <atoponce> he's from our LoCo Team. he is a *major* geek <atoponce> and a fabulous cook * jenda likes cooking too <jenda> But if I ever even thought of doing Ubuntu cookies, I think most of my RL friends would abandon me :-D <jenda> (for being too much of a geek) <atoponce> http://blog.josephhall.com/2006/11/tux-cookies.html try that on for size. <atoponce> and last, but not least http://blog.josephhall.com/2006/11/firefox-cookies.html <atoponce> anyway, i'll add the ubuntu cookies to the wiki <jenda> haha :) beautiful :) <jenda> the firefox cookies are crazy. really. <jenda> that guy... is just professional. <jenda> atoponce: how long do cookies like that last? <jenda> He should sell them by mail-order. <jenda> :-D <atoponce> jenda: cookies like that wouldn't last long in my household <atoponce> they'd be eaten in no time <jenda> hehe :) mine too. <atoponce> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/community/parentalcontrols.mspx something is wrong with that first screenshot <atoponce> s/wrong/funny/ <lotusleaf> bah, I wish I could go one day without reading the word Microsoft, oops, there it is again! :P <jenda> atoponce: ROFLMAO <jenda> that is one hell of a secure computer. <atoponce> yeah. especially for parental controls <atoponce> you'd think that they would be more careful with what screenshots they put on their website <atoponce> but, i've said it before, and i'll say it again. you can fix all the bugs and security holes that you want, but if you are not implementing basic security practices in your operating system, then how in the world can you expect your users to practice security??? #ubuntu-marketing 2006-12-02 <Burgwork> hmm, pclinuxos magazine is interesting <Burgwork> elkbuntu: ping <Burgwork> elkbuntu: final ping, leaving work soonish <jenda> Burgwork: it's early morning there... <Burgwork> 8 hours off makes it 11am <jenda> omg... it's early morning _here_ too :) <jenda> ok, the time goes too fast for my taste, disregard me. <jenda> <somerville32> :) <Burgwork> elkbuntu: I see you in -ops <elkbuntu> i've only just got to the computer <elkbuntu> im not even showered or fed yet <somerville32> :] <Burgwork> bah <somerville32> Burgwork: Any work for me tonight? <Burgwork> yep, the Feisty doc <elkbuntu> Burgwork, have you been waiting around for me? <Burgwork> elkbuntu: yes. it is now 5pm and I wanted to leave work at 3pm <Burgwork> I am very annoyed. You made you work a whole 8 hours <elkbuntu> awww.. im sorry :( <Burgwork> ON A FRIDAY * elkbuntu cuddles Burgwork <Burgwork> it is just isn't done <Burgwork> somerville32: he is a slightly gruntish task <somerville32> : ) <Burgwork> we need to verify all those specs I dropped on the list are in fact, targetted at Feisty and that there have not been any more added <somerville32> Fun. <Burgwork> you asked for something to do :) <somerville32> :D <somerville32> Same place, same password? <Burgwork> same bat cave <Admiral_Chicago> anyone know if beryl servers are back up? <Burgwork> appear to be <Admiral_Chicago> Burgwork: ty <Admiral_Chicago> negative <Burgwork> beryl-project.org <Admiral_Chicago> http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/dists/edgy/main-edgy/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found <Admiral_Chicago> :\ <Burgwork> right, those <somerville32> Just the person I was looking for! <Burgundavia> greetings <somerville32> :) <somerville32> How are ya? <Burgundavia> not bad <Burgundavia> what did you need me for? <somerville32> Burgundavia: I just wanted to talk about LookingForwardAtFeisty and Heard 1 <Burgundavia> right <Burgundavia> Herd 1 is done, save bug reports and last minute stuff, but please run past myself <somerville32> k <somerville32> When are the documents planned to be done? <somerville32> or sorry <somerville32> to be released <Burgundavia> Herd 1 is released upon release of Herd 1 <Burgundavia> I hope to have the other done this weekend <Burgundavia> s/I/we/ <somerville32> :] <somerville32> What do you want for each spec? A write up? <Burgundavia> sort of <Burgundavia> basically, I think we need a doc that neatly explains the goals for Feisty to end users and developers <somerville32> Thats the thing I love about Ubuntu <somerville32> You can actually see what is getting done <Burgundavia> yes <Burgundavia> this makes those specs more accessible to the outside world <somerville32> Btw, any word on the next CCM is? <somerville32> *when <Burgundavia> ccm? <Burgundavia> cc? <somerville32> Community Council Meeting <Burgundavia> right. That is usually referred to as CC <Burgundavia> no idea <somerville32> I'm going to go to bed for now <somerville32> I think I'll reorganize LookingForwardAtFeisty tomorrow <tsmithe> ping jenda <jenda> tsmithe: pong <tsmithe> i checked the launchpad pages for one of those bug reports, and nothing related was subscribed (i think)... <tsmithe> now /me comes to think of it, he is unsure <jenda> thx for checking, but I'm quite sure one of them has to be - or it's a bug, but a weird one. * tsmithe checks again <elkbuntu> jenda, im not sure, but i think mailman has been weird lately. -devel got -sounder stuff last week iirc <tsmithe> i checked all the subscribers and none of their email addresses = ubuntu-marketing <jenda> I heard <jenda> weiiiird <jenda> tsmithe: wow * jenda still thinks there is an old dupe-bug somewhere... <tsmithe> well /me is off to walk dog * jenda want to wok tsmithe's dog <elkbuntu> ok.. that reads so wrong <jenda> intentional ;) * MenZa roars <elkbuntu> you're nuts <jenda> elkbuntu: it's a joke US soldiers in vietnam had, or so i was told. <elkbuntu> i can believe it <elkbuntu> im sure it was around in the korean war as well <dotwaffle> more likely to be korean, koreans are famous for supposedly eating dogs. don't think it happens in Vietnam... <jenda> They do eat dogs. I know one. <jenda> <elkbuntu> i think the countries in that region tend to consume anything with protein that isnt toxic. <dotwaffle> It's been a while since I've had chance to call anyone but Germans or Americans crazy, so I take this moment to declare... South-East Asians are crazy. * jenda consumes anything with protein that isn't toxic. <klepas> Germans? <klepas> crazy? <dotwaffle> klepas: Visit a German demoparty, and see Germans clad in PVC and metal dancing to happy-go-lucky-pop, and deny their crazyness ;) <klepas> haha <klepas> okay, point taken <klepas> but who visits those parties anyway? <klepas> other crazy people? <elkbuntu> you need proof germans are crazy. read dholbach's latest blog... <klepas> linky <elkbuntu> planet.ubuntu.com <dotwaffle> klepas: ME ;) <jenda> lol <jenda> Germans are crazy... <jenda> I just traded 10 posters with one for an Ubuntu polo shirt ;) <dotwaffle> Says a Czech ;) <jenda> :) <MenZa> Ubuntu polo shirt! * MenZa falls over <MenZa> I want one <MenZa> Where? Who? Why? How? <jenda> Czechs aren't crazy... they only drink a little more beer than others. <klepas> well at least i am proof that not all germans are crazy <klepas> some are half-sane <tsmithe> jenda will charge extortionately now for that shirt * tsmithe is a briton! <ompaul> klepas, and the other half? <jenda> I'll keep that shirt - I bought the posters to send him, from myself... <MenZa> jenda is most definitely not crazy. <ompaul> xaner? <ompaul> xsaner that is <MenZa> tsmithe: you made that shirt :D? * jenda is : <tsmithe> MenZa, no!? <tsmithe> what gave you that idea? <jenda> how do you like the smiley? :) <MenZa> *shrugs* <MenZa> I'm desperate <MenZa> I want one <MenZa> :d <tsmithe> jenda: you and your crazy smilies <jenda> MenZa: I'll be making some... <klepas> ompaul: not sure <MenZa> jenda: really? Sweet. <klepas> get to know me and decide for yourself :) <jenda> but try contacting Nik Butler or Julius bloch - they have some now ;) <dotwaffle> klepas: Proof that Germans, Danish and Portugese are indeed crazy: http://slengpung.com/v3/show_photo.php?id=14726&ref=event <klepas> surely not all...? <dotwaffle> I have no proof to the contrary ;) <klepas> me? <ompaul> what is mad is that we let you think you are mad :-) <klepas> :D <klepas> :-) * atoponce is no good at wikis <klepas> CamelCase ftw <dotwaffle> you can't get more mad than the FInns though ;) Hard rocky salty liquorice mixed in vodka... Salmiakki Koskenkorva... <jenda> I had that stuff once. <jenda> I swear to god I've never had anything worse. <jenda> I mean... no, I only had salmiakki itself. <dotwaffle> I get it every year - for some reason I always forget how bad it is ;) <jenda> I guess the vodka makes it worse, until you have had a lot already. <atoponce> how do i center an image in the wiki? <dotwaffle> jenda: you guessed right, when drunk, it's quite nice. but don't drink it FIRST ;) <jenda> yes :) <jenda> I ate one of the damn candies... and it was terrible. <jenda> For some reason I thought the second would be better... :/ <atoponce> i've been thinking about our mission statement idea... <jenda> uh oh <jenda> <jenda> atoponce: I'm very nervous, and rather busy right now, mind if I try to avoid the discussion for now? :) <atoponce> :) sure <atoponce> why are you so nervous? <jenda> I'm giving a speech on accelerated desktops tonight <jenda> and I just finished getting ready, I think... <atoponce> ahh. part of openweek? <jenda> or at least, can't think of nuthing to soy <jenda> nope <jenda> The Linux Weekend - a RL thing :) <atoponce> ahh. cool * MenZa is going to a Linux expo in March <atoponce> well, i'm just going to spit out some ideas. i'm open for suggestion from anyone <jenda> cool <jenda> I'll have a look at them, and perhaps respond later, if I can help it :) <atoponce> ok <atoponce> thinking out loud, but i think bug #1 should be the foundation that we built the mission statement on <jenda> +1 <atoponce> from the "bug report": <atoponce> What should happen: <atoponce> "2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all." <jenda> OK, I'm out. <jenda> See ya later, will check it later too. <atoponce> ttyl <jenda> atoponce: maybe you might want to put it on the mailing list. * atoponce is on the phone <atoponce> jenda: will do * atoponce is finally off the phone <atoponce> ok... where was i? <atoponce> oh yeah. i think that #2 above should be our focus specifically. In fact, I find it worded perfectly to be the main goal of our mission statement <atoponce> from there, we can break it down a bit and add a few points that will help give it direction <atoponce> like: <atoponce> 1) spreading the brand and trademark that is ubuntu <atoponce> 2) enlightening users to the features that ubuntu offers <atoponce> 3) encouraging users to create and spread ideas <atoponce> what do you think? <atoponce> my LUG is currently writing a constitution and mission statement to give us clear direction, but also, to help the officers know what is expected of them and what needs to be done at any given time <atoponce> so anyway, what do you guys think? * tsmithe is away ;) <tsmithe> but... * tsmithe thinks... <tsmithe> ... <tsmithe> very good! * atoponce impatiently awaits... <atoponce> any feedback? ideas? comments? rude rebarks? <tsmithe> arf arf <atoponce> s/rebarks/remarks/ <tsmithe> fra <- rebark * atoponce can type on occasion <tsmithe> (2) is a bit general... ubuntu has many features <tsmithe> (3) what kind of ideas? <tsmithe> (1) is good <atoponce> cool. yeah. ok. well... <atoponce> thinking about 2), what makes ubuntu unique from the other distributions? what really makes it stand out? <tsmithe> the community <tsmithe> this is not emphasised enough, anywhere <atoponce> i can think of a few things, like a 1 cd install, 6 month rollout, strong community <atoponce> but also software features. spread firefox set a good example. <tsmithe> but these ideas are only useful when compared to other linux distributions <tsmithe> damn i'm a bit late <atoponce> they focus on security, anti-phising, stability, tabbed-browsing, etc <atoponce> i think we could market similar ubuntu features. they don't *have* to be unique, necessarily <atoponce> those are the "features" that i was thinking of, but it definitely could be more specific <atoponce> for 3), this is where i'm a bit rusty, but think it should be included nonetheless <tsmithe> re features: things that people a) like, b) are looking for, c) don't know they could have, d) are not scary; unless we are focusing on devs <atoponce> are we, as users and a marketing team, encouraging users outside the team to create ideas to spread ubuntu? <atoponce> tsmithe: yeah. exactly <tsmithe> atoponce, of course we encourage others to spread ubuntu! <atoponce> good! :) <tsmithe> it'd be silly otherwise <atoponce> you see what i'm getting at, though? we can't be 100% responsible for spreading ubuntu. we need to put 100% effort into it, but we also need others to do the same. <atoponce> with the size of community that ubuntu has, if everyone put in 100% effort to get ubuntu on computers, MS would lose their market share overnight * atoponce is very passionate about dethroning MS using Ubuntu. <atoponce> :) <tsmithe> how many users does ubuntu have <tsmithe> i've heard 6m <tsmithe> if that doubles every two releases, then in five years there will be 144m people using it <tsmithe> we need every user to conscript one other every year <tsmithe> that's not too hard! <atoponce> agreed <atoponce> we CAN do it, we just need to get off our lazy butts, and get to work! :) * tsmithe is <tsmithe> lazy and at work * atoponce is lazy as well <poningru> glaah <poningru> are we working on UWN 24? <somerville32> :D <somerville32> We sure are! :D <poningru> where? consus or wiki? <poningru> err gobby or wiki? <poningru> its freakin saturday man!! <somerville32> poningru: ping <poningru> somerville32: pong <somerville32> I'm going to go get some food <somerville32> But when I get back, do you want to work on the queue? <poningru> sure <poningru> where is the queue? <somerville32> Gobby <poningru> err it is? <somerville32> Yeah. <somerville32> There are two documents that need finishing this weekend <poningru> herd 1 and ? <poningru> uwn24? <poningru> cause thats not been started yet <somerville32> LookingForwardAtFeisty <poningru> oh <poningru> kk * somerville32 gets ready to run to Wendys <somerville32> <g> <poningru> hehe <somerville32> He ran away :( <lotusleaf> ompaul: yo gnewsense dude <ompaul> sup? * ompaul watchs the lag meter go off the scale <jenda> hello * jenda just got back * jenda is tired... but happy :) <jenda> It was cool, and went well. <ompaul> still lagging but down to a much smaller 2.6 seconds * ompaul wonders what was biting lotusleaf's tail <lotusleaf> ompaul: ? <ompaul> nibbling at the edges so to speak :) <ompaul> the big yo! <poningru> blargh? <lotusleaf> oh, well hello then =) <ompaul> ahh that I understand :) <lotusleaf> (= :) =) <ompaul> hi there <jenda> somerville32: ping <somerville32> jenda: pong * jenda just noticed you're member-candidating <somerville32> Indeed! :] <jenda> Good luck there - I'm reading your wiki now. <somerville32> Think I got a chance? <jenda> Most certainly :) <jenda> your xubuntu-welcome-centre link is broke, though ;) <somerville32> doh <MenZa> welcome centre <jenda> MenZa, i found a guy today who wants to make a business doing Ubuntu merchandise. <MenZa> sweet <jenda> He runs a printer. * jenda is curious what'll come of that. <jenda> But since he attended the Linux Weekend, he's probably not gonna be a bad guy ;) <jenda> And he'll probably be printing more Ubuntu Highway posters once I'm out. <jenda> :) <somerville32> Speaking of posters, haha <tsmithe> jenda: how was the talk? <jenda> great :) <jenda> great folks, Czech Linux users :) <MenZa> :D <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: need any link scrounging for UWN24? <Burgundavia> haven't really looked, but sure * lotusleaf flaps arms * lotusleaf wiggles beak in air <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: ready for link scrounging whenever =) <Burgundavia> go forth now <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: but for what? <lotusleaf> the last time, I checked for edgy reviews, and know that I know what type of summaries to glean =) <lotusleaf> now that I know* :) <lotusleaf> or know that I know now * :) <lotusleaf> or know that I now know <lotusleaf> =) =) <Burgundavia> any news on Ubuntu or derivs <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: cool, I'll scrounge about * lotusleaf kisses a coffee bean <somerville32> Lets all get on gobby and work :) * lotusleaf has never tried gobby <lotusleaf> "Technalign chooses Kubuntu for TaFusion Linux" http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/11/prweb485213.htm <Burgundavia> ok, this is fun <Burgundavia> cd goes in, hangs everything <Burgundavia> eject has hung, sound-juicer won't start <Burgundavia> ouch #ubuntu-marketing 2006-12-03 <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: ok, I aborted a link scrounging session for reviews, too many ubuntu reviews to sort through to find kubuntu and other reviews, and you can't easily omit ubuntu from the search when searching for the others. =) <lophyte> nixternal: ping <nixternal> yo yo <lophyte> hey.. <lophyte> where do you guys (ubuntu-chicago) get funding for projects that need money? <nixternal> we pitch in <lophyte> ah, so it comes out of your pockets? <nixternal> i know myself and another member forked out some cash last meeting <nixternal> i will probably plan on forking out around $100 for the next meeting as well <lophyte> ubuntu-to has only been around for 3 months, and people are constantly bringing up the idea of trying to make it an NPO <nixternal> we are doing the same <nixternal> but can't because ubuntu is registered <nixternal> canonical is the only ones who could do it <lophyte> and I keep discouraging it <lophyte> you're doing what? <lophyte> talking about it? <nixternal> trying a not-for-profit <lophyte> I think its beyond the scope of a LoCo team to do that <lophyte> maybe its just me though <nixternal> im sure it is <nixternal> but it is the only way to get proper funding for events, meetings and what not <nixternal> i can't expect people to keep forking out cash for every little thing we do..it turns people away <lophyte> right... but my feeling is that going through the process of registering as an NPO is too much overhead <lophyte> its excess work imo <nixternal> actually, registering it here in Illinois is free if you take the silly class the state offers <nixternal> the crappy part are the tax licenses <lophyte> well, I don't mean having to pay for it, I mean all the work that is involved... <lophyte> you have to keep track of your finances and report stuff to the goverment and all that <lophyte> perhaps creating a separate entity? <lophyte> that way, it avoids the 'Ubuntu' trademark.. <nixternal> ya, we can't use the Ubuntu trademark in the US <lophyte> so you could create a separate entity that works more or less hand-in-hand with your LoCo <nixternal> we could <lophyte> and call it something like "Chicago Open Source whatever" <lophyte> I don't know what you'd call it <lophyte> chicago open source initiative? *shrug* <nixternal> we could <lophyte> might be something worth exploring :) <lophyte> anyway I gotta head to bed..I just wanted to pick your brain regarding loco+NPO stuff <nixternal> im thinking about bed as well <nixternal> im tired <lophyte> me too <poningru> yarr <somerville32> :] <somerville32> poingru: You can away! <poningru> sorry <poningru> I was watching movie <Admiral_Chicago> lophyte: i'm not sure how i feel about the idea ^^chiacago loco <somerville32> *ran <somerville32> bah <Admiral_Chicago> i don't think we would need it <jenda> elkbuntu: ping <elkbuntu> pong <jenda> you were asking for locoteam stuffs <jenda> Not sure if it is of interest to you, but the CZLUG has organised the Linux Weekend - this weekend, and both Czech Ubuntu members spoke there... <jenda> ...unfortunately, ondrej's topic was VoIP, and mine Accelerated Desktop (shown on Ubuntu) <jenda> 100 Ubuntu CDs were given to the first 100 people, and I gave out a few more personally later on (will return today with more) <elkbuntu> cool <Admiral_Chicago> jenda: how are the shirts coming? <elkbuntu> add a writeup to the UWN :) <Admiral_Chicago> also, the posters? <jenda> Admiral_Chicago: yesterday, I met a guy who's starting his own printer, and is interested in making Ubuntu stuff on his own... that means... could be good... <jenda> but he is in it for the money, so maybe not that good. Depends on the prices he ends up doing. <jenda> The thing is, when you buy something from me - you _still_ make profit for some printer, and this way, it could get cheaper. <jenda> for the Ubuntu user. <tsmithe> well, you could always be competitive <tsmithe> and he'd lower his prices <jenda> of course - as long as there is cheaper stuff out there, he'd have to go lower. <jenda> But you know - if we didn't like what he's doing, I don't think he'd sell a single thing ;) <Admiral_Chicago> jenda: still have posters? last ? before I say night <jenda> I have to check with jono first. <jenda> Admiral_Chicago: yes, 80 left <Admiral_Chicago> okay good <Admiral_Chicago> bbl #ubuntu-marketing 2006-12-04 <lotusleaf> Sundhay ain't no weason f0ur duh sl4ckin off ya j1v3 turk3y! * lotusleaf flaps arms and caws at Burgundavia <Burgundavia> hey * rjian good morning <lotusleaf> hi <elkbuntu> my monitor is dying :( <elkbuntu> it's less than 2 years old :( <Madpilot> not cool <elkbuntu> not at all <Burgundavia> hmm, that sucks <Burgundavia> jeromes monitor on his canonical laptop died on him <Burgundavia> and that mahcine is about the same age <Burgundavia> ok, compiz royally sucks <Burgundavia> I would embarassed to give Ubuntu to somebody if we installed compiz by default <elkbuntu> yep <elkbuntu> what's it messing with now? <Burgundavia> little minor things <Burgundavia> once and a while it just looses the window list <Burgundavia> and sometimes the highlighting on drop down lists doesn't appear <Burgundavia> plus all the confirmed bugs in LP <elkbuntu> heh <Burgundavia> seems only to happen after been left running for many hours <elkbuntu> well, at least i finally went and bought some new speakers today... so i can listen to musics now without increasing the temperature of my head by 10 degrees <Burgundavia> heh <elkbuntu> the monitor isnt completely dead yet. just 1/4 of it flickers <Burgundavia> yay! two new bugs filed <Burgundavia> which brings my compiz total to 15 <elkbuntu> :) <elkbuntu> who other than mark is still pushing for compiz & associated crap decisions? <Burgundavia> the beryl people <Burgundavia> ah,, bloody hell, apt-get is barfing all over the placwe * tonyyarusso hands Burgundavia a bucket <Burgundavia> hmm, appears that apt's db is corrupted <Burgundavia> ok, that is funny <Burgundavia> http://www.google.ca/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=corrupted+apt+db <Burgundavia> look at most of the hits <elkbuntu> ... wha...? <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: I don't get it <Burgundavia> most of the hits are for rpm db corruption <elkbuntu> since when... rpm... uh... ? <Madpilot> finally got to pick up my Ubuntu posters that jenda sent - very, very cool design <elkbuntu> yeah <elkbuntu> theyre pretty awesome <Burgundavia> time to blog my weekend with compiz <Madpilot> Burgundavia, a "Remind me again why we're planning on shipping these bugs by default" blogpost? ;) <Burgundavia> basically <elkbuntu> lets see if you get a direct response from mark for this one <Madpilot> Burgundavia, that was a fairly restrained blogpost - no accusations of crack-smoking by the folks who proposed Compiz-by-default ;) <Burgundavia> they are on crack, but I figured it would be more politic to point out why they are crack <Burgundavia> going to try beryl when it is packaged <elkbuntu> well written post corey :) <Burgundavia> I try <Madpilot> later all <jenda> <danbuch929> jenda: care to talk about spreadubuntu? <jenda> most definitely :) <danbuch929> I've been in conversation with the CMS developer more, and he lent me some very useful information... <jenda> such as? <danbuch929> most of the CMS is written around Cheetah Template <danbuch929> http://cheetahtemplate.org <danbuch929> apt-get install python-cheetah <danbuch929> anyone hoping to help with the branch will greatly benefit from this <danbuch929> the developer, Amir, is also working to have his 1.0 release dpkg-ized <jenda> how that? <jenda> ah, greatzorz :) <danbuch929> learn cheetah == learn skeletonz <danbuch929> hopefully in the near future, it will simply be a matter of "apt-get install skeletonz" <danbuch929> ...but on a less technical note: <danbuch929> I wanted to restart the discussion about site construction, features, design, touchy-feely stuff <jenda> hehe * jenda thinks * danbuch929 thinks reciprocally * jenda reviews the wiki... <jenda> Well, the site is intended for people who wish to help Ubuntu to spread. <jenda> It's very probable that these people aren't browsing the web for the first time, so we can expect some experience. <jenda> Come to think of it, that doesn't mean anything for the touch and feel of the site anyway ;) We still have to make it as easy to understand... so... <jenda> (/me might be thinking outloud a bit too much :) ) <danbuch929> hehe * danbuch929 is reviewing design spec @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/SpreadUbuntu/GraphicalDesignSpec <danbuch929> "We have decided that we want to use the idea of Nestor Diaz's suggestion, polish it, and use Kassetra's very fine icons." <danbuch929> is this opinion still valid? <jenda> danbuch929: not really <jenda> at the time, SU was intended also as the flashy site for new users <danbuch929> :-) .... so will we be starting from scratch? <jenda> the one you point them to when they ask you what is Ubuntu? <danbuch929> and we now point them to ubuntu.com ? <jenda> we always have, I guess. <jenda> We can make that flashy site some time in the future, or work on making Ubuntu.com that flashy site... <danbuch929> excellent <jenda> although ubuntu.com is quite good as it is for the businesses to look at, so I'd be more inclined to a spread.ubuntu.com splash-screen type thing :) <danbuch929> yes - that'd probably do it <danbuch929> with SU, we're trying to address the DIY marketing need, so it's okay to be more familiar with the user <danbuch929> ...less business-y, that is <jenda> yes <jenda> that's true. <danbuch929> ...but still very accessible to the new GNU/Linux convert <danbuch929> (like myself :-)) <jenda> The DIY part - the part of SU I'd like to focus on, and what we're mainly making progess on right now, should distribute marketing Ubuntu into the masses. <jenda> very much so. <jenda> The people shouldn't have to be technically too advanced to benefit from diy.ubuntu.com <danbuch929> ...just trying to make Ubuntu a familiar word, for starters :-p <danbuch929> right <jenda> "Gleefully resurrected by new wave of Ubuntu converts. Might be <jenda> permanent." <jenda> :) * danbuch929 couldn't help himself <jenda> <danbuch929> on the subject of the diy site: <danbuch929> I've only gotten feedback from you, jenda :-D <jenda> hehe :) <danbuch929> I'm sure there have been plenty of folks who have visited diy.devubuntu.com and have gotten the same knee-jerk reaction: <danbuch929> "...but it should also have $FEATURE_INTENDED_FOR_SPREADUBUNTU.COM" <jenda> (/me remarks that he understood the current diy.devubunt.com only as a placeholder for teh future skeletonz site in its place) <danbuch929> and I hate to pour even more energy into diy when I really want to see SpreadUbuntu up <danbuch929> right <jenda> hehe :) <jenda> Honestly, once DIY is up, we'll be able to get the rest of SU up better, because we'll have a start... <jenda> and people pouring in... <jenda> and, BTW, I like your 'crappy sense of humor' ;) <danbuch929> thanks :-D ... it's honed from years of cynicism and apathy <danbuch929> ...but about getting DIY up and running... <danbuch929> I really haven't touched the thing in two weeks, mostly because I don't know exactly what else should be added <jenda> aha <jenda> hmm <jenda> How long do you think it would take till we had a skeletonz ready to use for the purpose? <danbuch929> meaning... there's a LOT that *could* be added... <danbuch929> skeletonz for DIY? <danbuch929> ...or for SU? <jenda> well... <jenda> I thought we were to use it for DIY :) <jenda> If that wasn't your plan, then I'm OK with that too o <danbuch929> right... sorry... Do we want to CMS-ify the current diy design? or is it okay if I hold off on CMS until the full SpreadUbuntu? <jenda> perfectly ok <danbuch929> that is: diy.devubuntu.com is based on MenZa's work <danbuch929> and is written entirely in php <jenda> in that case, I'll start thinking what we want on diy.du.com <danbuch929> with _no_ MySQL backend <danbuch929> okay :-) <danbuch929> when I said that the only feedback I got was from _you_, I left out one other person <danbuch929> Toby Smithe sent me some feedback <danbuch929> ...and his disappointment in the site's flexibility echoed my own reservations <danbuch929> which should say nothing about MenZa's design - it's elegant and simple * danbuch929 sees MenZa has joined us :-D <jenda> hehe ok :) <jenda> MenZa: we weren't discussing douglassanchez@example.org. <jenda> Nor your work. <jenda> Nope. <danbuch929> HA! <MenZa> lol <danbuch929> Hi MenZa! <MenZa> I shall demand logs for the past hour <MenZa> eya :) <MenZa> Heya* <danbuch929> and you shall have them * danbuch929 defended your honor to the death <MenZa> XD <MenZa> Mmm, home made soup <danbuch929> MenZa: have you any experience with Python web dev? <danbuch929> sorry... I'll let the soup work its magic :-) <MenZa> none at all <MenZa> :) <danbuch929> very little over here :-) ... mostly php <danbuch929> I was wondering because... <danbuch929> I'd like for SpreadUbuntu to be written in Python, if possible .. for the sake of a common tongue amongst Ubuntu sites <MenZa> lol <MenZa> I only do XHTML/CSS <danbuch929> hehe ... (my first loves...) <danbuch929> CSS is still my fave (design bg) * jenda lets the devs take the stage <danbuch929> I got into web programming because nobody at my workplace knew a lick about the stuff * MenZa shudders <danbuch929> so know I might know half a lick about it :-D <MenZa> CSS is evil <jenda> flame war flame war flame war!!! <danbuch929> hehe <danbuch929> anyway: I've been led into all things MarketingTeam by jenda here <MenZa> xD <MenZa> jenda: it's powerful <MenZa> but EVIL. <danbuch929> and I gladly took your excellent work for the DIY site and mod'd it here and there <MenZa> :D <MenZa> I think I saw that mod <MenZa> very nice <jenda> MenZa: anything in your mail yet? <danbuch929> and we're now talking about what else to add before letting it fly <danbuch929> thanks :-) <MenZa> jenda: nowt. <MenZa> jenda: and I apologise for not having printed the buggers yet <MenZa> jenda: I imagine I'll do it today <jenda> no problem <MenZa> And ship them tomorrow <jenda> I'm out of posters to ship anyway :) <danbuch929> jenda: that's good news, right? ;-) <MenZa> :D <jenda> good :) <jenda> A little sad, but good. <MenZa> danbuch929: well show me again <MenZa> jenda: what's happening with the A2s ;)? <jenda> MenZa: might have a printer do that commercially :) <MenZa> fantastic <jenda> met the guy at Linux Weekend. <MenZa> oh awesome <danbuch929> MenZa: have you been? diy.devubuntu.com <MenZa> there we go <MenZa> I like those shiny boxes <danbuch929> hehe... I'm a sucker for gradients <MenZa> waaaaaait <MenZa> do I spot a table? <danbuch929> 'tis yours, good sir <MenZa> I did a table? <danbuch929> and I'll gladly be rid of it, if you're amenable <MenZa> Thank you * MenZa shudders <danbuch929> so says the code <danbuch929> :-D <MenZa> I don't like your menu boxes, they're too big <MenZa> reduce the feather a tad <danbuch929> <tr>'s be gone <danbuch929> noted :-) <MenZa> digging the highlight * jenda loves gradients too <MenZa> (of as) <jenda> danbuch929: please remove the order form from the poster page :) no more to give. <danbuch929> jenda: will do <MenZa> You had 1,000 printed, didn't you? <jenda> It also seems to me that the menu boxes don't really fit in with the rest of the thing, do they? <jenda> MenZa: 500 <MenZa> ah <danbuch929> pretty much all of the design stuff was slapped together haphazardly - taken from other ubuntu sites <MenZa> :D <danbuch929> ...I stopped tweaking after iteration(2) :-) ... figured I'd wait for more feedback <MenZa> It's great <MenZa> Well done :) <danbuch929> thanks for laying the tracks :-) <jenda> just yesterday, I had a look at: http://devubuntu.com/ <jenda> And thought... wow, that site looks great. * jenda points at MitchM <danbuch929> ...looks like we can thank elkbuntu for the design <jenda> aaah <elkbuntu> hehe <danbuch929> sorta reminds me of http://pandora.com (without the flash and ads) <MenZa> bit. <MenZa> Nice work, elkbuntu <MenZa> Not usually my style, but looks nice <MenZa> not my usual style* <jenda> I like the shaded-like border. <jenda> *shaded-3D-like * MenZa likes SABFDL's hackergotchi <jenda> wow, that rocks :) <MenZa> it does <elkbuntu> hmm? did he change it or it still the spaceman? <MenZa> Spaceman. <elkbuntu> i was wondering about jenda's amusement.. i would have thought jenda would have seen it by now :| <jenda> elkbuntu: I did see it, many times... <jenda> ...but my memory is short :) <elkbuntu> lol <jenda> Which allows me to rejoice over things over, and over, and over again... <MenZa> xD <jenda> Yay, MenZa :) glad to see you again... <danbuch929> hehehe .... the bliss of the amnesiac <jenda> :) <MenZa> :D <jenda> trademarks @u.c doesn't respond :/ <jenda> (regarding roughcut posters/t-shirts) <MenZa> oh they will <elkbuntu> how long ago did you ask? <MenZa> two minutes ago <MenZa> :d <MenZa> :D* <elkbuntu> well, i need to ask regarding having some ubuntu 1" buttons made for LCA <elkbuntu> s/ask/mail them/ <MenZa> http://img447.imageshack.us/img447/571/getphpma9.png <elkbuntu> i hope to all that is good in the world that whoever did that did it in a VM <MenZa> nope <MenZa> :D <elkbuntu> then they deserve what they get <MenZa> XD <MenZa> 101 extensions <elkbuntu> that would take like.. an hour to load <MenZa> pretty painful <MenZa> minutes. <MenZa> and several of them. <elkbuntu> that is YOU? <MenZa> oh no <elkbuntu> good <MenZa> XP? Firefox 1.5? <MenZa> nooo waaay <elkbuntu> i was about to book the plane ticket <MenZa> to?= <elkbuntu> whoop your ass <MenZa> XD <MenZa> you're welcome to drop by <MenZa> xD <elkbuntu> lol <jenda> elkbuntu: I asked 2 weeks ago, and again yesterday. <danbuch929> later, y'all - off to work :-) ... I'll bzr push and ftp revisions to DIY tomorrow morning <jenda> later :) <jenda> Guys, I need an opinion :) <jenda> Do you think 200 A2 posters @ $2/piece would sell? :) <MenZa> oh yeah <elkbuntu> i'd hit it <jenda> and if it were $3 apiece? <elkbuntu> i'd probably still hit it, but is that you covering cos or you making money <elkbuntu> s/cos/cost/ <jenda> that's the printer making money. <jenda> probably. <jenda> I'm still not sure if I should buy it from him in bulk and send myself - and make more money for Ubuntu... <jenda> ..or just let him do his thing. <jenda> He would, of course, top the price towards maximum revenue. <jenda> Whereas I gear the price towards highest number of posters out there. <elkbuntu> i wouldnt go much higher than 3/poster if you then have to cover postage, people could get them done themselves for cheaper <jenda> elkbuntu: in A2? <jenda> I doubt it. <jenda> I'm definitely not going _over_ $3, though. <jenda> the shipping will be $6 or $7, though, because this time, it would include a tube. <elkbuntu> that's what i thought. a single poster = $10 <jenda> I gotta go
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