#ubuntu-us-fl 2011-03-01 <reya276> morning everyone <maxolasersquad> Good morning reya276! <jck77> hello everyone <mhall119> ji <jck77> anyone lucky enough to get a google chrome cr-48 <mhall119> I think a couple guys in here did <jck77> what makes me mad is people selling it on ebay <mhall119> can't remember who though <jck77> and the reason why they are selling it <jck77> mhall119: cool, they must be enjoying it <jck77> wow this is the worst one http://cgi.ebay.com/Google-Chrome-CR48-laptop-/270711451857?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item3f07a8f0d1 <jck77> alexanderlisa@example.com.... I dont have to use it <jck77> * I dont have time to use it <maxolasersquad> jck77: It is pretty crappy, but I'm pretty sure Google went in knowing this kind of thing was inevitable. <maxolasersquad> I've got one btw. <Chloric> good afternoon <maxolasersquad> Chloric: Howdy <Chloric> hey maxolaser! <Chloric> when is the next community IRC meeting? <maxolasersquad> Chloric: Have you checked the wiki? <Chloric> not lately. so busy with projects <Chloric> i havent even been on IRC in a month at best <Chloric> alright, awesome, theres one on the 8th <mhall119> Chloric: the next florida team meeting? <Chloric> Yeah, its the 8th. i just checked <Chloric> whats up mhall? i hear youre swamped <mhall119> swamped? <mhall119> not much more than usual <Chloric> oh, just a tid-bit i read about putting qimo on the back burner for the moment <mhall119> Chloric: qimo is still being worked on, the charity is on the back burner <mhall119> though I'll admmit, I haven't worked on qimo in 2 months <Chloric> oh =/ that sucks <mhall119> :( <Chloric> i'm trying to raise money myself >< <Chloric> its a pain <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: applied yet? #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-03-02 <Chloric> evening guys <Chloric> oh hey itnet7 <ghuru> hello! <itnet7> Hey there ghuru, was just about to go to bed, when I noticed you 'hello', How are you? <itnet7> No worries if you're not around just wanted to say hey! <itnet7> ttys <dantalizing> morning <dantalizing> any sed/vim/regex heros awake? <reya276> Morning Everyone <dantalizing> morning reya276 <reya276> dantalizingm, where is the schedule for the team meetings? <reya276> wow after doing this mornings updates on one of my Ubuntu servers running 10.04 I this MSG "Your CPU appears to be lacking expected security protections. <reya276> Please check your BIOS settings, or for more information, run: <reya276> /usr/bin/check-bios-nx --verbose" <reya276> nice <reya276> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/CPUFeatures <jck77> Morning <mhall119> reya276: there isn't currently a meeting scheduled <mhall119> if there was, it'd be here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-us-florida <mhall119> RoAkSoAx is running a class in #ubuntu-classroom right now! <jck77> mhall119: whats the topic? <mhall119> TestDrive <jck77> thanks <mhall119> which is used for quick and easy testing of Ubuntu pre-releases <jck77> I see <reya276> Hey does anyone know what is the default services or port where windows printers connect to #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-03-03 <mhall119> depends on the protocol * mhall119 assumes you're talking network printing <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: ping <Chloric> evening fellas <itnet7> RoAkSoAx: pong <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: pm <mhall119> morning itnet7 <mhall119> and RoAkSoAx <DammitJim> morning <RoAkSoAx> morning mhall119 :) <itnet7> hey there mhall119 ! <reya276> Morning everyone <itnet7> Morning reya276 ! <itnet7> Hope things get better today, read you FB post <reya276> LOL, yeah me too man <itnet7> read you/read your/s/ <reya276> feel like total junk today <itnet7> Sorry to hear that <reya276> itnet7, do you know of a good guide to setup an ssh/SFTP for clients to connect to a Ubuntu server and Download/Upload files to <itnet7> reya276: I think there are some really good Server Community Documents that are pretty straightforward, let me see if I can find some links <reya276> ah cool, thanks. I'm actually looking in there now but I don't see anything like what I want to do. I know that at some point when I was a total newbie with Ubuntu I saw something where you could sertup OpenSSH with Mysql and use to allow clients to connect <maxolasersquad> reya276: sudo apt-get install ssh <maxolasersquad> Then any user on that machine can connect remotely. ssh user@host <reya276> oh yeah I got OpenSSH install already, but I need to know how to add multiple users kind a like a an SFTP <reya276> without having to create system accounts <maxolasersquad> The same way you add any other user to your ubuntu machine <maxolasersquad> You could create a guest account, and then ask for ssh keys. <reya276> right but then that would create multiple accounts on the server <maxolasersquad> But that would bypass any sort of seperation of users. <reya276> I know there is a way to do it with mySQL <maxolasersquad> Assuming that seperation of users is desirable. <maxolasersquad> ssh, at its core, allows users of a Unix machine to connect remotely. I don't think there's any way for someone to connect to a machine over ssh without a user account. Then again, ssh is pretty powerful and I don't even begin to know all of its uses. <reya276> what I have also is that while a user is logged on to the server they can see other users home dir <reya276> and see their files and folders <reya276> oh wait can I create a group called external users and then make them part of that group then can I allow them to only see their files/folders <mhall119> reya276: ssh requires a shell program, but I seem to recall that there is a special one that can be used to only allow SFTP, without being able to browse other people's stuff <mhall119> reya276: check out http://www.pizzashack.org/rssh/ it might do what you want <reya276> yeah is called mySecureShell but the connection on that is way slow <reya276> oh this is something new, thanks <reya276> ok is there a way to create users so that they can only see their user files/folders but no other users? <maxolasersquad> I believe that SFTP is its own protocol that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with FTP or SSH. IIRC, SFTP is a means of transfering files over a secure connection, but it is not FTP over SSH. <maxolasersquad> Though, I could be wrong. <mhall119> reya276: yeah, chroot jails, it mentions them in the FAQ of that program <mhall119> maxolasersquad: SFTP is tied to SSH, but different from FTP <maxolasersquad> mhall119: Thanks. <mhall119> you are corrent that it is not FTP over SSH, it is a different protocol, but it does run over SSH <mhall119> FTPS (confusingly enough) _is_ the FTP protocol over SSL <reya276> yeah but that app says there are pontential security risk and I'm not that good at configuring things <reya276> the default ssh setup right now is secure tight and all I really need to is to not let users see each others files/folders <reya276> ssh conn is fine for them to use as they will be using WinSCP to connect or any other SSH client they can configure <reya276> we have a similar setup but is tied to our Ubuntu email server and that server is slow as hell due to it being so old <reya276> it's a Dell 2650 <reya276> Ah I figured it out, if you set the permissions to sudo chmod -R 700 /home/<userdir> it will only allow that particular user to see his files and folders no one else will be able to see them. <reya276> and then on the SSH Server for maximum security you set the Allow Root login to NO and then create a group for the users whom will be connecting, make them part of that group and then on the... <reya276> SSH server you "Allow all Users from X group" to connect as well as "Allow individual X user" to connect and there yah got a nice and tight SSH with no slowdown <reya276> as long as those SSH keys hold one should be OK <reya276> Also it is best to have a Hardware Firewall not a software one, or if you can have both would be even better <maxolasersquad> reya276: IMHO software firewalls are just for outbound protection. Inbound should be done with a hardware solution. <maxolasersquad> And a NAT solution will take care of most of your inbound needs. <reya276> exactly <reya276> which is why I suggested both <reya276> but Hardware one is just fine too <reya276> as long as it is a good one' <maxolasersquad> I only roll with a hardware firewall. I'm not too concerned with outbound security. <maxolasersquad> Which is just a personal preference. <reya276> And make sure you let that bad boy do the One-To-One NAT conns and straight <reya276> oh hey this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLDLAXRetWU&feature=player_embedded is pretty cool I had no Idea you could make AWN your default Panel for GNome, I guess you could do the same with Docky <Epidemic> i'm a doctor not a physicist <xfGolden> Any fellow Palm Beach area Penguins? <Epidemic> i'm in martin county <Epidemic> does that count? <xfGolden> Think I was just up that way a couple days ago working at the fpl plant <xfGolden> It's a little north but I guess I could say it semi counts <xfGolden> anyone in here active in the pbclug? <Epidemic> I was just at improv last night to see Gabriel Iglesias <xfGolden> Thats one funny Mexican :p <Epidemic> it was an awesome show <xfGolden> I bet <xfGolden> Was working on a friends wifi .. last night .. ~500ft between the house and guest house .. <xfGolden> setup my cantennas to prove to him that it's really not that long of a distance for the right setup <xfGolden> then we proceeded to mount and aim a pair of unused satellite dishes at each other .. that was impressive .. overkill a little but cool to do <xfGolden> bbl <cjohnston> itnet7: ping #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-03-04 <MichelleQ> itnet7: when you get a minute, PM me please sir? <Chloric> good evening florida <xfGolden> One pit here in florida .. wooden decks rot out in record time .. <tiemonster> Anyone around this morning? <mhall119> morning tiemonster <tiemonster> mhall119: hey there <tiemonster> can I get your opinion on something? <tiemonster> how secret should load data for a server be? <tiemonster> I'm thinking of exposing uptime, load averages, memory and CPU usage via a web service <mhall119> what do you mean? <mhall119> oh <tiemonster> and I'm wondering how much I should worry about security <mhall119> well, it might tell a potential attacker when their attacks are having an impact <mhall119> in theory it could expose information about what versions of software you're running <tiemonster> I have HTTP basic auth on there <mhall119> for example, if there's an apache bug that causes CPU usage to spike for a certain kind of HTTP request, they can use that to know that you're running a version prior to that being fixed <mhall119> ok, so you have to log in to see it <tiemonster> yeah <mhall119> then there's not much harm, I would think <tiemonster> ok <tiemonster> so how do I accurately determine CPU and memory usage on linux? <mhall119> /proc/cpuinfo and /proc/meminfo <tiemonster> CPU = (user + sys) / (user + sys + idle) ? <mhall119> or /proc/loadavg <tiemonster> I'm displaying load averages as well <tiemonster> but I'm trying to get percentages for memory and CPU used like when you log into Ubuntu server <mhall119> tiemonster: the scripts that ubuntu server uses for those stats are in /usr/lib/byobu <tiemonster> thanks! <reya276> Morning everyone <tiemonster> mhall119: I humbly submit for peer review: https://github.com/tiemonster/monitor.js <mhall119> nice <mhall119> I haven't played with Node.js yet <maxolasersquad> If I run a command in bash followed by an ampersand, and then log out of my session, the program should still be running, right? <maxolasersquad> tiemonster: I hope node.js convinces other languages to implement call backs, and create libraries that embrace non-blocking theory. <tiemonster> maxolasersquad: I'll be working on a non-blocking python application server next year <mhall119> maxolasersquad: depends on whether the tty stays alive when you log out or not <mhall119> tiemonster: using twisted? <maxolasersquad> I'm logging in to a remote server to kick off a ruby script, that should just keep on running. <maxolasersquad> I want to be able to log out of my remote session and still have it running. <jtatum> maxolasersquad: man nohup <maxolasersquad> Yay, python errors in my IRC! <jtatum> (closing terminal = hangup) <maxolasersquad> jtatum: Come again. <jtatum> when you close a terminal, a signal is sent to all processes descended from the terminal (SIGHUP). starting a process with nohup makes it immune to that signal. <maxolasersquad> ahh, ok <tiemonster> maxolasersquad: yes <jtatum> from the wikipedia article: nohup ./myprogram > foo.out 2> foo.err < /dev/null & <maxolasersquad> jtatum: nohup ruby sql2git.rb >> sql2git.log <maxolasersquad> nohup ruby sql2git.rb >> sql2git.log 2> sql2git.err < /dev/null & <jtatum> the reason you want to redirect stdin, stdout and stderr is because those handles will no longer exist after you log out <jtatum> 'course, i suppose most people would use screen to do this <maxolasersquad> I really just need this to be background process. It doesn't need to be attached to any session. <maxolasersquad> Cool, I detached my session and it is clearly still running. <jtatum> you mentioned ruby. mongrel? <maxolasersquad> jtatum: We have two developers that code all their background stuff in ruby. <maxolasersquad> All our web stuff is in PHP, so if we could move to ruby that would be a good step up. <jtatum> ahhh, gotchya <jtatum> well, at some point probably want to write an upstart script for it <jtatum> upstart has process monitoring and junk which is better for a daemon that needs to do real work <maxolasersquad> jtatum: This is on a Solaris machine. Our server team is a few miles away. Things like that are not easily accomplished. <jtatum> i see <maxolasersquad> There's a sliver of a chance we may move at least on of our Unix machine to Ubuntu server running as a VM in the server farm. <maxolasersquad> A small sliver. <reya276> do any of you know of a good Linux hosting and that is not too expensive? <tiemonster> reya276: for what? <tiemonster> like VPS? <mhall119> reya276: Amazon's cloud service gives you a free year of their "Micro" instance, I've been running that for my sites since November <tiemonster> mhall119: can I bounce some ideas off of you? <mhall119> reya276: http://aws.amazon.com/free/ <mhall119> tiemonster: sure <tiemonster> so I'm trying to make a web services aggregator <tiemonster> should I simply proxy server-side, or should I actually store credentials? <tiemonster> I'm trying to make the dashboard to end all dashboards <tiemonster> to integrate with every tool I use on a daily basis <mhall119> do the credentials contain private/secret data? <reya276> no just simple regular webhosting <tiemonster> yes <mhall119> tiemonster: is it all internal? <tiemonster> no <mhall119> so you've have to store someone's password in clear text (or some form that you can get clear text from) <tiemonster> AES 256-bit <mhall119> but then you'd have to store the decryption key somewhere the server can access it <tiemonster> or I could simply delegate all authentication to the browser <mhall119> if that's an option, it'd be more secure <tiemonster> ok. let me explain my idea. <tiemonster> if I delegate, you'll get a pop-up modal authentication box for every web service <tiemonster> you'd have to log into each service one after the other <tiemonster> if I store them on the server, then the username for the site is the configuration filename, and their password is the encryption key <tiemonster> if the config file doesn't exist, authentication fails <tiemonster> if I don't get valid plaintext back (JSON in this case) then authentication fails <tiemonster> then you have one login for the dashboard, and all your credentials are stored in encrypted form on the server <mhall119> okay, so you don't store the decryption key, the user supplies it, that sounds good <tiemonster> yep <tiemonster> mhall119: I guess I can try it with delegation for a while and see how annoying it is <zoopster> mhall119: t -10 days saw your name on email today....nice. <mhall119> zoopster: yeah, my first company-wide email :) <rmcbride> mhall119: yea I was just going to say what zoopster said <zoopster> yup...allhands...you are more famous than you know <mhall119> because of the email, or before it? <maxolasersquad> mhall119: Are you working for Canonical now? <mhall119> maxolasersquad: I will be in a little over a week <maxolasersquad> Congratulations. <mhall119> thanks <maxolasersquad> What are you to be working on? <mhall119> websites and webapps <maxolasersquad> Cool. <mhall119> yeah, I'm excited <mhall119> tiemonster: you around? <polomonster> mhall119: when I'm not netsplitting <tiemonster> mhall119: are *you* around? <mhall119> tiemonster: lightning project talks in #ubuntu-classroom going on now <mhall119> if you want to plug your monitor.js <tiemonster> nah <mhall119> ok, thought I'd offer <tiemonster> thanks <tiemonster> I'll watch, though <tiemonster> mhall119: so how does your project differ from AWN? I almost entirely missed your talk. <mhall119> tiemonster: mostly in the fact that mine is very small <mhall119> and very narrow in scope <mhall119> it's not a dock, or a window switcher, or anything like that <mhall119> just launchers from the menus <mhall119> the only fancy thing it does is scale down the size of the icons as you add more <tiemonster> I need to figure out how to package node applications as debs <tiemonster> I need to figure out how to package node itself as a deb <mhall119> is node.js in the repos? <tiemonster> unfortunately not <tiemonster> the workflow is very git centric right now <mhall119> that's okay, launchpad can import and track git branches i think <tiemonster> so just import it and create a PPA? <tiemonster> I'd have to throw an init script in there somewhere <mhall119> yeah,there'd be setup <mhall119> you'd have to create all the debian control files, for example <tiemonster> mhall119: so about this dashboard project I'm working on <tiemonster> it would make way more sense as a desktop application, wouldn't it? <Epidemic> anyone ever check out damnyouautocorrect.com? :) <RoAkSoAx> mhall119: congratulations <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: ping <reya276> hey what is the sudo command to completely remove OpenOffice? <reya276> is it sudo apt-get remove --purge openoffice? because every time I try it I get the package cannot be found #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-03-05 <mhall119> cjohnston: http://www.sun-n-fun.org/ #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-03-06 <tiemonster> anyone lingering tonight? * mhall119 lingers <tiemonster> mhall119: are the BSD and MIT licenses similar/compatible? <mhall119> Compatible at least, I'm not sure how similar <tiemonster> hmm <tiemonster> I'm not an expert in licensing <mhall119> me either <tiemonster> MIT seems like a good purpose "do whatever the heck you want with it" license, but a lot of Node.js stuff is BSD <mhall119> those are called lawyers <tiemonster> very specialized lawyers <mhall119> BSD is pretty much "do whatever the heck you want with it, just make sure you let everybody know where you got it from" <tiemonster> k <RoAkSoAx> mhall119: ping <mhall119> RoAkSoAx needs an always-on client <katyl> Anyone go to the Melbourne Lug? <mhall119> itnet7 probably <katyl> Moving down there sometime soon, wondering if I should go. <katyl> Never been a lug type'o guy. <greiser> hey #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-03-07 <tiemonster> talking to yourself again? <tiemonster> ;-) <greiser> waiting for my echo... <tiemonster> hey <tiemonster> ^^^ there it is <tiemonster> :-) <greiser> ping 34,592,609ms <tiemonster> you must have RR <greiser> i do... <greiser> beats comcast.... <tiemonster> hey, want to help me plan a bachelor party? <tiemonster> it seems you're bored <tiemonster> :-D <tiemonster> or not <greiser> sorry was entertaining my son <greiser> i'm no good at planning bachelor parties.... normally, the more boobs the better... <tiemonster> fair enough <ShawnR> so i am trying to run vncviewer in listen mode, but port 5500 seems to be used up already, how do i find out what process is using it? <ShawnR> i do a netstat -na and i just see something about tcp6, but nothing useful <mhall119> ShawnR: netstat -napt |grep 5500 <tiemonster> mhall119: hey - any ideas for a family-friendly bachelor party? <tiemonster> so far I have barbecue and keroke <tiemonster> I need something for in between <mhall119> I wasn't aware there was such a combination as family-friendly bachelor party <tiemonster> yeah yeah <tiemonster> the theme of doing everything your new wife won't let you still stands, though <tiemonster> eating barbecue and making a fool of yourself... <mhall119> the new wife won't let him have BBQ? <tiemonster> she says she's putting him on a diet <mhall119> before he says "I do"? <tiemonster> he's a chef. I don't see that going over well... <mhall119> I thought they were supposed to wait until after <tiemonster> for what? <mhall119> before they tell us that they're going to change our ways <tiemonster> lol <tiemonster> yeah <mhall119> I'm thinking some kind of video games, or a dart board, or something like that <mhall119> can you rent an arcade game or something? <tiemonster> hmm <tiemonster> or just find someone with a freaking huge TV <mhall119> that would work too <tiemonster> and a game console <mhall119> yeah <tiemonster> my other thought was someone with lots of woods - play manhunt and capture the flag and such <tiemonster> ;-) <mhall119> paint ball? <tiemonster> lol <tiemonster> someone would lose an eye <mhall119> well it's hardly a bachelor party if they don't <tiemonster> I was told nothing involving guns <mhall119> paint ball guns aren't really guns <tiemonster> I had talked to someone about doing a hog hunt <mhall119> you can take him snipe hunting <tiemonster> eh? <tiemonster> hunting with a sniper rifle? <mhall119> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snipe_hunt <MichelleQ> bwahahaha, snipe hunting as a bachelor party. <tiemonster> lol <mhall119> she's putting him on a diet, after all, he should start preparing for disappointment <tiemonster> I'm going to leave that one alone <tiemonster> we could go gator wrestling! :-D <tiemonster> I know two or three guys that do it every weekend <mhall119> I assumed alcohol was prohibated <tiemonster> I'm sure there's room in the boat <tiemonster> yes - former alcoholics on the wedding party :-( <mhall119> and since nobody would actually go alliagot wresting while sober... <mhall119> alliagot? <tiemonster> unless they're just bad to the bone * mhall119 needs a drink <tiemonster> lol <tiemonster> just talking about it, huh? ;-) <mhall119> heh, the gators will be "to the bone" <RoAkSoAx> mhall119: congrats for the third time in this week >P <tiemonster> scavenger hunt! brilliant! <greiser> so mike... have you found me a server yet? <mhall119> RoAkSoAx: there you are! <mhall119> thanks man <RoAkSoAx> ;) <mhall119> greiser: just gone one back, haven't checked the specs yet, but I think it's similar to the other eSeries I have <chloric> evening guys <MichelleQ> itnet7: pingity <reya276> Morning Everyone <Epidemic> anyone remember what the apt-get package was that had like, everything in it? flash, codecs etc? <mhall119> ubuntu-restricted-extras <mhall119> Epidemic: ^^ <Epidemic> thanks <mhall119> np <Epidemic> mhall? By chance your name matt? <mhall119> nope, Michael <Epidemic> nvm :) <tiemonster> I knew a Matt Hall once upon a time <tiemonster> actually, he tried to hook up with my wife before she was my wife <Epidemic> may not be the same Matt Hall, but I went to school with a Matt Hall <tiemonster> Epidemic: which school? <Epidemic> martin county high <tiemonster> must just be a common name <tiemonster> well, good night <itnet7> MichelleQ: hey there, tried to respond earlier, need something?? <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: ping ping ping ping ping <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: ping <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: ping <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: ping <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: ping <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: ping <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: ping #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-03-08 <MichelleQ> itnet7: checking to see if we were still on for weekend from next <itnet7> MichelleQ: pm? <MichelleQ> sure thing <ShawnR> ok, this is interesting, i put in a (working) SD card and it doesn't show up as a mounted device <ShawnR> but i can't seem to mount it <ShawnR> k, nvm, got it to mount, but why wouldn't it automount anymore? <reya276> anyone here? <reya276> Morning Everyone <reya276> HELP!!!! <tiemonster> what's up? <reya276> there is a process with ID 27479(GZip) being ran by root that is killing my CPU <reya276> what the hell is it <reya276> it comes on then off then on again and just loops like that <reya276> how can you tell what app is running that <reya276> I checked my log and I did not see any signs of intrusion except for the usual attempts <reya276> then when I try to look for this ID 27479 within the logs I don't see it <reya276> this thing is at 92% CPU and is just running <reya276> and it has no waiting channel <reya276> bash: kill: (27479) - Operation not permitted <jck77> it wont let you kill it as root? <reya276> yes I was able to <reya276> now I'm running ClamAV, then I will run chrootkit <reya276> it could have been an automatic backup job that is set to run at 4am but it should have ran then not this morning <reya276> has anyone tried to put Honeycomb on their Nookcolor using Ubuntu, I tried last night but totally failed although I followed the instructions from XDA Devs to the letter. No DICE <reya276> the best part about this particular Honeycomb install is that is suppose to be dual boot, meaning that you don't have to root your noook to do it <reya276> and it runs great on it <reya276> I need to get an app that can put an .IMG file on to a 16GB MicroSD card <reya276> imageWritter does not appears to work <reya276> and they provided some command line stuff but it looks like is for the MAC and not Linux <reya276> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=941883 <reya276> full instructions here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=947698 <reya276> everyone is like it works great yet I can't get it to work WTF <tiemonster> should have bought an iPad * tiemonster runs away <reya276> nope <reya276> nevah..... <maxolasersquad> itnet7: ping <reya276> what do they mean by this " If you do not plan to use a bootable sd card, replace the u-boot.bin on 1st partition of the eMMC. Again remember to make a backup." <tiemonster> Secure Disc != Multimedia Disc <reya276> there is no way to get to the Main Nook partition so I'm guessing they mean the additional SD card <tiemonster> even though they are the same form factor <jck77> damn my boss needs to travel overseas!!! he's getting anoying asking what are you working on!!! <reya276> LOL, I get that all the time <jck77> the funny thing is when you answer <jck77> they don't know nothing about it <reya276> so true <mhall119> itnet7: are you going to be around for a team meeting tonight? * ayan waves. <mhall119> hi ayan * dantalizing particles <ayan> mhall119: i'm looking forward to the meeting tonight! <mhall119> dantalizing: particles? <mhall119> oh, waves <mhall119> I get it <mhall119> nerd <ayan> heh. <dantalizing> yeah it was a reach <mhall119> QM duality jokes, FTW! <Chloric> afternoon gius <Chloric> anyone buy OilRush... you know, supporting linux development? ;) <ayan> i haven't. should i? <ayan> wow. the graphics look outstanding. <mhall119> looks interesting <Chloric> I bought on pre-order <Chloric> its pretty cool <Chloric> even the alpha development copy runs great and looks awesome <dantalizing> ooo dolphins <Chloric> lol i only beat the tutorial, i still havent gotten around to playing campaign <maxolasersquad> I guess it was only a matter of time before a game like this was developed. <ayan> where can i get the alpha version? <maxolasersquad> Chloric: Is the apha publicly available? <maxolasersquad> Ah, is it only available to those who preorder? <Chloric> Nah, it isnt =/ They said they might be releasing a demo <Chloric> I could send you my developers copy if you're so inclined to find out <Chloric> but if you like it, buy it! =D <maxolasersquad> I just did the preorder. <maxolasersquad> Chloric: That would be cool. My e-mail is my nick @gmail.com <Chloric> its a 300MB file, i'll put it in my dropbox public folder and send it your way <maxolasersquad> Sounds good. <Chloric> Give me a bit for the file to upload <maxolasersquad> Chloric: I just got the download link after buying it. <Chloric> oh ok nvm <Chloric> you dont need it :p <Chloric> their servers will be faster anyways! <dantalizing> nice ... a jcastro sighting! <dantalizing> just noticed <mhall119> he's in florida already? #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-03-09 <MichelleQ> what time is our meeting? <mhall119> 8pm <mhall119> but I'll be postponed for a few minutes, so it'll probably be closer to 8:15 <Chloric> govatent wont be joing us today <mhall119> Chloric: are you from south-florida too? <Chloric> yup, Miami <mhall119> cool <mhall119> we need some miami events <RoAkSoAx> vim e/win 11 <RoAkSoAx> arrrrrgh <RoAkSoAx> mhall119: <RoAkSoAx> around? <mhall119> heh <mhall119> RoAkSoAx: yup <Chloric> Events for what specifically? i just saw the Ubuntu Global Jam this april <mhall119> Chloric: and we'll have the Natty release to celebrate end of April <mhall119> both topics will come up in tonight's meeting <RoAkSoAx> mhall119: quick python question. there's a module that imports like this: from euca_admin import local ->> what does that local thingy mean cause it shows: ImportError: cannot import name local <RoAkSoAx> mhall119: the code: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/577665/ <Chloric> oh man! I'm actually not going to be here when it's released! I'm going to be with the Model United Nations International Conference at the UN Headquarters this april 17-29 <mhall119> RoAkSoAx: it's going to take euca_admin.local and put "local" into the current namespace <mhall119> RoAkSoAx: the error means that python can't find anything called "local" in the "euca_admin" namespace <RoAkSoAx> mhall119: right but there's something like local.get_credentials (http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/577665/) <RoAkSoAx> so the code is all wrong then? <mhall119> RoAkSoAx: either the code is wrong, you don't have the euca_admin package installed, or euca_admin isn't in your PYTHONPATH <mhall119> try starting a new python shell, and run "import euca_admin" then "dir(euca_admin)" <RoAkSoAx> mhall119: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/577666/ <mhall119> so...doesn't look like euca_admin has anything called "local" <RoAkSoAx> mhall119: yeah there's no file nor module that contains anything named local <mhall119> is there a variable or function or class by that name in euca_admin/__init__.py <RoAkSoAx> mhall119: yes <mhall119> try import euca_admin, then from euca_admin import local <RoAkSoAx> mhall119: same issue <RoAkSoAx> mhall119: i'm guessing they are missing either a file in the source <mhall119> RoAkSoAx: can we take this to PM or pick it back up after the meeting? <RoAkSoAx> mhall119: which ever works better for you :) <mhall119> either one <mhall119> how about after the meeting? <mhall119> chaynie, Chloric, cjohnston, crashsystems, dantalizing, itnet7, jcastro, jtatum, mianosm, munz, rmcbride, RoAkSoAx, ShawnR, statik: Meeting time! <RoAkSoAx> o/ <rmcbride> o/ <mhall119> #startmeeting <Mootbot-UK> Meeting started at 01:09. The chair is mhall119. <Mootbot-UK> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [PROGRESS REPORT], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] <MichelleQ> mhall119's parents just stopped by... he'll be back in just a second. <mhall119> okay, everyone ready? <mhall119> not much to cover tonight <rmcbride> ready here <mhall119> [TOPIC] Global Jam <Mootbot-UK> New Topic: Global Jam <Chloric> ready <mhall119> April 1-3 is the next Ubuntu Global Jam <mhall119> Global Jam is just a weekend where community around the world get together with people around them to contribute to Ubuntu <mhall119> you can write code, triage bugs, write documentation, or just test the current state of Ubuntu 11.04 <mhall119> anybody can host an event, and it only takes 2 people to get together to make it a jam <mhall119> for example, cjohnston and I are meeting up here in Lakeland to hack on Summit code <mhall119> so find someone near you, pick a place to meetup (coffee shops are good), and decide on something to do <mhall119> if you're going to have an event, add it to http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/567/detail/ <mhall119> anybody who is a member of the Florida team can add an event for our team <mhall119> [TOPIC] Summit Jam <Mootbot-UK> New Topic: Summit Jam <Chloric> Whats the difference between the Summit Jam and Global Jam? <mhall119> as I mentioned, cjohnston and I are going to be hacking on Summit <mhall119> Summit Jam is just what we're doing as part of Global Jam <mhall119> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/729/detail/ <Mootbot-UK> LINK received: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/729/detail/ <Chloric> oh ok <mhall119> summit is the code that runs summit.ubuntu.com, which provides the session management and calendar listings for UDS <mhall119> we're going to be meeting in person, but we'll also be working with others on IRC, so if anybody wants to participate with us and learn some python, django, and how to work on summit, feel free to register <mhall119> [TOPIC] Natty Release Parties <Mootbot-UK> New Topic: Natty Release Parties <mhall119> most of you know about release parties already <mhall119> April 28th is the scheduled release date for Natty <mhall119> so start thinking of where you can celebrate <Chloric> Oh man =/ <mhall119> unlike global jams, release parties don't involve work! <mhall119> you don't need internet access (though we are geeks) <mhall119> just somewhere to hang out with friends and have a good time <mhall119> just like global jam, you can register your release party events here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/744/detail/ <mhall119> let's make sure we've have Florida marked on those maps! <mhall119> that's all I've got for this meeting, anybody have any questions? <mianosm> Nope. <mhall119> if you want to ask about how to run a global jam, feel free to ask us in here or in #ubuntu-locoteams <mhall119> alrighty, we're done <mhall119> #endmeeting <Mootbot-UK> Meeting finished at 01:28. <Chloric> so how's everyone? <MichelleQ> missed it all again. :-/ <crashsystems> anyone say my name in here about four hours ago? <dantalizing> morning! <dantalizing> sry i missed the meeting last night mhall119 <mhall119> dantalizing: no worries, just talked about global jam and release parties <dantalizing> mhall119: yeah registered for the summit jam ... been sketching out ideas for a mobile ui <dantalizing> but not familiar with anything you guys are doing <dantalizing> are yall making it mobile-accessible? <dantalizing> ie.. am i reinventing the wheel yet? <mhall119> dantalizing: there is talk of tying it in with a 3rd party, closed source mobile app <mhall119> http://conventionist.com/ <dantalizing> nice <dantalizing> and fail <mhall119> the biggest problem with them right now is that updating the schedule for their app involves emailing a CSV file to a person on their end, who uploads it into their system <dantalizing> nice <dantalizing> geez ... when is windows going to become linux ... tired of crappy apps <mhall119> I'm still waiting on them to have a capable window manager <dantalizing> metacity is mostly there <dantalizing> yay 1998! <dantalizing> the scrollbar overlays available in natty are cool <dantalizing> very sexy <mhall119> yeah they are <mhall119> it's very google-like <mhall119> I bet the chrome developers are upset they didn't think of it first <dantalizing> yeah i wish they worked with chrome <dantalizing> that was actually the first app i tried :( * dantalizing shake his fist at chromium <dantalizing> but other than that disappointment, very nice <mhall119> isn't there a chome plugin to use native scrollbars? I wonder if that would work <mhall119> or if it just tries to mimick native scrollbar looks <maxolasersquad> At http://oss.oracle.com/ the website for OSS Oracle software, it has Oracle SQL Developer listed, but there is no source code download, and the SQL Developer help says, "Copyright Â© 2005,2009 Oracle. All Rights Reserved." <dantalizing> and be sure not to complain about how slow it is because you're violating the license and oracle lawslime will come after you <maxolasersquad> It is, IMHO, the best IDE for interacting with an Oracle DB, which is very very sad. <maxolasersquad> It has all the pitfalls of a Java app though. <maxolasersquad> Slow and memory intensive. <maxolasersquad> I've decided to ask them, http://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=2188441 <maxolasersquad> One of my coworkers switched his laptop over to Ubuntu, unsolicited. <dantalizing> nice <jck77> morning everyone <dorgan> does anyone know of a package that will allow me to monitor an apache error log file for errors? <dantalizing> dorgan: top -d1 /var/log/apache2/error.log <dorgan> yeah i am looking for something alittle fancier than that <dorgan> :) <dantalizing> lies! <dantalizing> monit <dantalizing> http://mmonit.com/wiki/Monit/MonitorApacheStatus <dantalizing> dorgan: ^^ <dorgan> think i found something: http://www.librelogiciel.com/software/ScanErrLog/action_Presentation <dorgan> i already have something to monitor the status <dorgan> i need to monitor the error log <DammitJim> dantalizing, do you have BOA? <dantalizing> DammitJim: bank of america is the evil that eats at america's soul <dantalizing> yes <dantalizing> seriously ... no <DammitJim> yes, you do or yes you do not? LOL <dantalizing> no, i do not <dantalizing> i'm hoping that someday i'll look back wistfully at the day that "dickbar" was introduced into the english language <DammitJim> LOL <DammitJim> those people @ BOA have screwed up my mint <dantalizing> nice <ricenut> Hi guys, do you know how to start boot Ubuntus 10 CD in rescue mode? Any special key? <maxolasersquad> dantalizing: Repsonse to my thread indicates Oracle believes FOSS means "Freeware and Open Source Software" <dantalizing> lol <dantalizing> i <3 freedom, not free beer <munz> laura @ carey realty <munz> shoot, wrong window lol <mhall119> now we're all gonna email her too <jck77> i love my bandwidth <jck77> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1193078624.png <maxolasersquad> jck77: Is that fiber of DOCSIS3? <maxolasersquad> s/of/or <mhall119> holy crap, thunderbird just blew up to 100% CPU and 2.4 GB RAM <jck77> maxolasersquad: Yes, fiber <jck77> a 100/10 connection <maxolasersquad> mhall119: Thunderbird must be borrowing code from Evolution. <munz> mhall119, lol <munz> pls do <mhall119> maxolasersquad_h: something's going scewy, it's done it twice now <maxolasersquad_h> mhall119: It's done what twice? <maxolasersquad_h> Oh, thunderbird blowing up? <mhall119> yeah <maxolasersquad_h> I just replaced androIRC with Yaaic, and I'm loving it already. #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-03-10 <ejv> must not be that stable <ejv> lol <Golden> Any palm beach area folks interested on working on some led projects .. eventually going to do some simple robotics but want to start out with basic ic stuff <mhall119> why are people so impatient on IRC? <maxolasersquad_h> Our SLA isn't quite as good as they expect. <mhall119> what? we offer 9 sixes, isn't that industry standard? <maxolasersquad_h> This Oil Rush game is pretty fun. <jck77> morning ! <munz> morning * munz officially renames quickbooks to crapbooks <dantalizing> morning! <maxolasersquad> Can anyone give me a regex that will match oasis_[A-Za-z0-9]* but does not match oasis_billing? <maxolasersquad> nm, I got something that works good enough. #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-03-11 <reya276> Morning Everyone <tiemonster> yo <tiemonster> ...an hour later. that's how I roll. <chaynie> morning, you hep cats. <MichelleQ> I'm neither hep, nor catty. :-/ <chaynie> MichelleQ: Ahh, sorry. Old Eek the cat reference. <MichelleQ> no worries. I'm just teasing. <chaynie> mhall119: Congrats again on swearing allegiance to our benevolent ubuntu overlords. <JavasBoy> HELLO <reya276> http://news.yahoo.com/video/world-15749633/24487849 <reya276> this is crazy http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theenvoy/20110311/ts_yblog_theenvoy/watch-raw-footage-of-the-japan-earthquake-and-tsunami <reya276> wholly shit the wall of water was 30 feet high <reya276> Japan is completely gone <reya276> most of that island's infrastructure is completely gone <Thedemon666> Hello <itnet7> Hey there Thedemon666 <Thedemon666> <Thedemon666> <Thedemon666> I have an error that ubuntu does not start I is left with an error in the screen that says: error ath5k phy0: can't register ieee80211 hw <itnet7> I have been looking to see if anyone has a fix for that. I haven't ran across that error before myself, are you running 10.04 ? <Thedemon666> no i am runing 10.10 <zoopster> Thedemon666: that is causing ubuntu not to start? It may affect wireless not working, but it will not block ubuntu from booting up <zoopster> Thedemon666: what wireless hardware are you using <zoopster> itnet7: hey <itnet7> Hey there zoopster <zoopster> itnet7: did you see what we accomplished with the shuttle launch? <Thedemon666> 01:08.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. Atheros AR5001X+ Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01) <itnet7> zoopster: not yet! <Thedemon666> <Thedemon666> <Thedemon666> This causes that ubuntu does not start <jck77> Thedemon666: try another kernel <zoopster> itnet7: go to questforstars.com <jck77> I read that with kernel 2.6.32 is an issue with that module <Thedemon666> <Thedemon666> <Thedemon666> I have tried other kernel in grub in recovery and the same <zoopster> itnet7: or search for shuttle launch balloon <itnet7> zoopster I will as soon as I get home.. this place is killing me <itnet7> :-P <Thedemon666> i have kernel 2.6.35-27-generic <zoopster> Thedemon666: hmmm mine's using ath9k <zoopster> Thedemon666: firmware issue? <Thedemon666> <Thedemon666> firmware not understand firm of the wifi card? <Thedemon666> <Thedemon666> <Thedemon666> There is a way to disable the module? I'm running a live cd and I have access to the linux partition <zoopster> you can blacklist the ath5k module <zoopster> everything I find says to use madwifi vs ath5k <zoopster> you can try to change the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-ath_pci.conf comment out the ath_pci line and put blacklist ath5k instead - that will force the madwifi driver to load vs ath5k <zoopster> Thedemon666: ^^ <zoopster> i love empathy, I love empathy, I love empathy <Thedemon666> I already did <zoopster> ok...if you are running livecd, then you might be able to unload the ath5k module and load the ath_pci module in it's place <Thedemon666> but stays in /runnig /scripts/init-bottom... done <Thedemon666> stays in /runnig /scripts/init-bottom... done <Thedemon666> by placing elh5k in black list #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-03-12 <spreadsheet> Hi <maxolasersquad_h> Hi <spreadsheet> Are you in south florida? <spreadsheet> I'm sure that everyone here is from NY, NJ, or Latin America <maxolasersquad_h> I'm in the pan handle? Why would you think people here are from the NE? <spreadsheet> Most people here are for some reason :S * spreadsheet leaves <ghuru> hello! <ghuru> anyone with experience on Cyrus IMAP? #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-03-14 <reya276> Morning Everyone <mhall119> morning reya <reya276> mhall119, hey. <reya276> Did you see that tweet Dan posted about Python Slices, that thing is pretty cool...needs some more looking in to. <mhall119> I saw it, I thought he was just talking about list slices <itnet7> Morning, Everyone. <dantalizing> morning <dantalizing> no release parties planned for orlando,tampa,miami?????? <dantalizing> *sigh* <mhall119> not *yet* <dantalizing> oh good <reya276> mhall119, how can I tell what version of apache I'm running using CLI? <mhall119> reya276: apache2 -v <reya276> thanks <mhall119> np <MichelleQ> itnet7: you-de-lee-hoo, you around? <mhall119> sweet, statik might attend the summit jam, wonder if he means remote or in person #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-03-15 <maxolasersquad_h> Any python peeps around? <DammitJim> man, I know I ask all the time, but is there a new tool in linux where one can make 1920x1080 slide shows with music? <Chloric> late evening guys, is anyone available to talk? <Chloric> I know its super late <maxolasersquad_h> I'm around <Chloric> Hey, who do you think i can talk to from the community leaders? <Chloric> i sent Jono Bacon an Email <maxolasersquad_h> What is it regarding? <maxolasersquad_h> I don't think that there's any issue with contacting Jono directly, but he probably has a lot to sort through before he gets your e-mail. <Chloric> I am attending the International Youth Festival in Beijing, China sponsored by the United Nations for the Youth Summit and my project is Open Source software <Chloric> oh, I am an International Relations major <Chloric> Im in the Model United Nations Organization and all that <maxolasersquad_h> cool <Chloric> I'm goint to China as a student ambassador <Chloric> and for my project, I think i need about 100 Ubuntu pressed CD's <Chloric> I kinda want the officially pressed ones to hand out at the World Youth Summit <maxolasersquad_h> Probably the best you can do is submit a request and see what happens. Of course, flat out spending the dough to get them would gauruntee it. I'm not sure who else in the community you could talk to to make it happne. <Chloric> yeah... The trip is paid for (6,000 for 4 weeks), but the ticket isnt... 2,000... so i cant afford buying 100 cd's >< <Chloric> well, thanks man <Chloric> im heading out <Chloric> z's to catch <reya276> Morning everyone <mhall119> statik: were you going to attend the summit jam in person, or remote? <zoopster> mhall119: today makes you official in Canonical - land? <zoopster> itnet7: does your geocache group want to help with the next balloon recovery on 19 April likely late in the evening since the launch is close to 8p <zoopster> munz: you too? ^^ <munz> yea bro, quite possibly <zoopster> munz: ok...I'll keep you updated and hopefully we can be a little more south this time around depending on winds <zoopster> munz: and actually find it the first time this time around! <munz> lol, sounds cood :) <munz> *cool <zoopster> k <DammitJim> zoopster is alive? <DammitJim> can I ask a stupid question? <zoopster> yes dammit jim <DammitJim> why do you guys like ubuntu so much? <DammitJim> is it because it's a click and pull OS? <zoopster> oh geez <zoopster> let me count the reasons <zoopster> 1) it's simple and it just works <DammitJim> top 3 <zoopster> 2) cutting edge support for the latest hardware <zoopster> 3) apt <DammitJim> ok, I buy that... the fact that you don't have to fiddle with things to get something to work <DammitJim> and always up to date on hardware drivers <DammitJim> got it <zoopster> yep <zoopster> and the binary video drivers are already built and never need to be rebuilt <munz> 4)dont have to spend $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ <DammitJim> I guess the fact that you guys are in here and deal with "problems" is not the common user <zoopster> also seems that ubuntu is continuously updated where fedora/opensuse is not...they just go release to release <maxolasersquad> Alright guys, I'm going under. If I'm not back in five minutes... just wait longer. <zoopster> I could be wrong there as I jumped ship on rpm based distros 4 years ago and don't follow them any longer <zoopster> maxolasersquad: sounds serious <maxolasersquad> zoopster: Complicated release commencing. <zoopster> hah <DammitJim> lol <zoopster> nice! <maxolasersquad> This is just the dry run into beta though. And I just did a full export. <maxolasersquad> Stilled scared though. ;) <mhall119> zoopster: I was official yesterday <zoopster> mhall119: just not completely up on the internal comm channels yet? <mhall119> I'm in IRC <mhall119> on mumble right now <maxolasersquad> Anyone know why ~/.gvfs would be empty if I have a number of remote locations mounted via Nautilus? <dantalizing> thx for the css reya276 <dantalizing> morning <dantalizing> all <reya276> np <statik> mhall119: if i attend the jam it will be in person, my schedule is changing rapidly at the moment <mhall119> statik: okay, cool <mhall119> if you can make it in person, maybe we should move it to orlando <dantalizing> +1 <chaynie> morning all/ <dantalizing> morning chaynie <chaynie> anyone discussed a central fla natty release party? <mhall119> chaynie: I brought it up last meeting, but no specific plans yet <chaynie> mhall119: What's the targeted release date? I'd like to help plan something if I can. <munz> 4/28 <mhall119> ^^ <maxolasersquad> I'm looking at a PDF, that is a screenshot someone printed out, scanned in, and then turned into a PDF. Win! <munz> lol <chaynie> mhall119: perhaps something around 4/30 then? <munz> chaynie, what general area u thinking? <chaynie> munz: central fla. Probably Orlando area, but I could be convinced to do something around tampa too. <itnet7> zoopster: not sure, I will ask them, I'm pretty sure that they would be thrilled to help anytime needed <munz> orlando prob better for me, im in daytona, would like to attend, tampa on a weeknight would be hard <mhall119> maxolasersquad: you mean they didn't put the printout on a table and take a picture of it? fail <mhall119> chaynie: just tell me when to be there ;) <zoopster> itnet7: if you can ask that would be great...I'll need some commitments so we can plan accordingly <maxolasersquad> I totally want to print out the e-mail, write my response on it, scan that in and e-mail it to them. <itnet7> zoopster: I will ask them this Sunday, as there is a get together and the one's I could count on will be there <itnet7> Unless you need it sooner <itnet7> be back after lunch...as usual this place is stir crazy :-) <munz> maxolasersquad, YES! you should <chaynie> mhall119: do you have a venue/city preference? <mhall119> chaynie: somewhere in the middle half of the state <zoopster> itnet7: nope...that works great! At a high level, we'll just need someone in the approximate area at a specific time (likely 8:30-9:30p) and we won't know the true area until closer to the launch date as it depends on wind <chaynie> mhall119: I missed your wit. ;) <mhall119> chaynie: I think orlando is the most central <mhall119> chaynie: ;) <chaynie> mhall119, munz: if Orlando works for everyone, let's shoot for orlando. <chaynie> pak33m, cjohnston: Interested in a orlando release party? <munz> yea, i like orlando <mhall119> chaynie: if you can find a child-friendly venue and plan it morning or afternoon, it'll probably make it easier for us parents to attend <chaynie> mhall119: I was going to plan family friendly. <chaynie> and afternoon is probably a good idea anyways. <mhall119> don't forget to put it in LD <munz> afternoon would be better than morning for me too :) <dantalizing> why do yall gotta go weeknights? boo <chaynie> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/811/detail/ <munz> dantalizing, next month <reya276> dantalizing, were you able to fix it? <munz> its a sat <mhall119> chaynie: any ideas on a venue? <mhall119> dantalizing: Apr. 30 is a saturday <ghuru> ping itnet7 <dantalizing> munz: mhall119 ah i saw 28th ... didnt see chaynie say 30th .... sorry i'm in and out <dantalizing> yay 30th <dantalizing> reya276: havent had a chance to apply it yet <reya276> ok <chaynie> mhall119: I was thinking a starbucks or cup of soul. <chaynie> but cup of soul doesn't work for more than 5+ people. <chaynie> so starbucks might be a better option. <mhall119> starbucks isn't exactly kid-friendly though <mhall119> is there a good place in orlando for a geeknic? <MichelleQ> I'm sure we can find one <MichelleQ> Could have one at Wekiwa <cjohnston> chaynie: depends on day <MichelleQ> could have a camp-in at Wekiwa, too, if anyone wants to. <cjohnston> what about internet <MichelleQ> nada, as far as I can tell. Finding an outdoor space with wifi
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