#ubuntu-meeting-2 2015-01-06
 * slangasek waves
<slangasek> who's chairing today? I hope it's not me ;)
<mdeslaur> hi!
<mdeslaur> it's pitti I believ
<mdeslaur> believe
<pitti> yeah, the wiki says so
 * pitti waves too, happy new year everyone!
<mdeslaur> happy new year!
<pitti> this should be a quick one anyway
 * pitti rings the bell
<pitti> #startmeeting
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<pitti> #topic action review
 * pitti prods meetbot, *shrug*
<pitti> infinity to review and respond to MAAS SRU thread
<pitti> not sure, but this feels dead by now, and we've been through some rounds of discussion already
<pitti> mdeslaur to respond to freetype thread
<pitti> DONE
<pitti> pitti to respond to MRE for KDE frameworks thread
<pitti> DONE (waiting for Kubuntu response)
<pitti> #action ML review
<meetingology> ACTION: ML review
<pitti> nothing new since last meeting except https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2014-December/002058.html which I did
<pitti> zarro community bugs
<pitti> #topic AOB
<pitti> ?
<mdeslaur> hi infinity!
<mdeslaur> happy new year
 * pitti waves to infinity, happy new year!
<infinity> I've spent the last few days moving and cleaning.  Not the best start. :)
 * pitti actually enjoyed some house cleaning
<infinity> Germans are a weird people.
<pitti> anyway: infinity: "infinity to review and respond to MAAS SRU thread" - is that still relevant to you?
<pitti> infinity: Jawoll!
<infinity> It's probably still relevant, and probably still not done. :/
<pitti> infinity: I mean because we already went through some rounds of discussion, but it seems you might want to ask them something else still
<infinity> If others reached a concensus, I'm happy to take the item off the agenda, but if it's stalled, I'll look.
<pitti> I must say I'm still not fully convinced about how they make sure to not break installations from earlier versions
<pitti> but I asked like 3 times already, and broken record etc. pp.
<infinity> The plan was a heavy upgrade testing framework, but I'm not sure if they actually have a real plan, or just a hand-wavy one.
<pitti> it's most probably ok, and their product, but I wanted to see how they ensure backwards compat
<infinity> There've been some rather heavy staffing changes in that team recently, so it might be worth reopening the discussion in the new year anyway.
<pitti> *nod*
<pitti> so, AOB, take 2?
<pitti> AOB take #3
<slangasek> nothing here
<stgraber> nothing here
<pitti> aaand done
<pitti> #endmeeting
<meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan  6 17:09:45 2015 UTC.
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<infinity> That was short...
<pitti> so, at least we kept a null meeting < 10 mins :)
<mdeslaur> thanks pitti!
<infinity> The stgraber of meetings.
<pitti> infinity: yeah, must have been long EOY holidays or so
<infinity> stgraber: Sorry, had to get one in for the new year before I forgot.
<stgraber> infinity: :)
<slangasek> heh
<stgraber> infinity: would have been disappointed if you hadn't :)
<pitti> that costs you at least a beer
<infinity> I'
<infinity> I'm sure it will cost me several. :)
 * pitti waves good night
<dsmythies> Is any one here for the docs meeting that starts in  70 seconds
<hannie> I am :)
<hannie> Just read the email
<dsmythies> Hi Hannie. I don't see some names I ex[ected to see in this room.
<hannie> hi doug. I only see pleia2 (gray)
<hannie> Do you always meet in meeting-2? I did not know this room
<dsmythies> Bear with me... I am not talented at running meetings.
<dsmythies> yes, we typically meet here.
<hannie> ah, there is no 3
<dsmythies> Aghh, Gunner. Hi.
<GunnarHj> Hello
<hannie> hi gunnar
<GunnarHj> Hi Hannie!
<dsmythies> #startmeeting Ubuntu Docs
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<dsmythies> #chair dsmythies GunnarHj
<meetingology> Current chairs: GunnarHj dsmythies
<dsmythies> Lets get started. We have me, Hannie and Gunnar, so far. The agenda is a bit of a mess.
<GunnarHj> dsmythies: Hope you'll be present the whole meeting. I don't know that bot thing.
<hannie> The only thing you shouldn't forget is end meeting
<dsmythies> Gunnar: I have pleia2 cheat sheet, but am otherwise ORC challenged
<dsmythies> IRC
<dsmythies> I'll start:
<dsmythies> I had wanted an update on the Canonical stuff. We have been hearing for almost a year now that they want to add stuff to help.ubuntu.com. But then nothing happens.
<hannie> who is your contact?
<dsmythies> Anyway. Nobody is here so tabled for now.
<dsmythies> Hannie: Several. It is not clear who is in charge. but antdillon, DS-McGuire I think.
<hannie> I think it is important to keep contact with the right douglassanchez@example.org. You may have to harass them occasionally.
<dsmythies> For Server: I just wanted to mention that I intend to work on PDF serverguide issues for other languages during the next few months. In the end I want to be able to publish the server guide in all languges.
<hannie> Ok. As a translator (Dutch) I am willing to contribute
<dsmythies> Hannie: I actually will not pester, as I would prefer to just leave things as they are.
<dsmythies> We agreed to what they want, but they will have to drive it.
<hannie> ok. As for the translation of the server guide: let me know if I can help with the preparations
<GunnarHj> dsmythies: Even if that's true, I think hannie has a point. Keeping the conversation open (somehow) would be good.
<dsmythies> Hannie: Thanks. I envision possible different font types for different languages, as what works for one (Russian, Greek) doesn't work for all.
<GunnarHj> dsmythies: Why would you need to bother about fonts?
<dsmythies> Then they should show up at the meeting.
<GunnarHj> +1
<hannie> dsmythies, we are talking about 2 things: translations and canonical. May I suggest we finish canonical first and then go to "translating server guide"?
<dsmythies> wait a second...
<dsmythies> O.K. to finish Canonical. I will ping them.
<hannie> ok
<GunnarHj> great, dsmythies
<dsmythies> #action dsmythies to ping Canonical as to timeline and such for inclusion of their stuff.
<meetingology> ACTION: dsmythies to ping Canonical as to timeline and such for inclusion of their stuff.
<dsmythies> Hannie: The serverguide PDF issue is not about translating itself. It is about getting the PDF to compile. Wait a sec and I'll give a bug reference.
<hannie> dsmythies, I understand. I thing Kevin Godby is the one we can ask about this kind of problem
<GunnarHj> I withdraw my question about fonts. Realize not that it's the PDF version you are talking about.
<hannie> At the Ubuntu Manual we have translations in many, many languages
<dsmythies> bug 922251
<dsmythies> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ru-docs/+bug/922251
<hannie> dsmythies, I could contact Kevin about this, if you like
<hannie> ok, just read the bug report
<dsmythies> hannie: The issue is known. I just have never had time to dig into it. But yes, I could confer with Kevin if he has knowledge.
<hannie> please do. He will most probably know the answer
<dsmythies> In terms of this meeting meeting. I just wanted to mention that Intend to spend time on it.
<dsmythies> Gunnar: Let's move to your issue.
<GunnarHj> Ok.
<GunnarHj> But before that, it looks like all the items under "team business" are now history and can be removed from the agenda.
<dsmythies> Yes, I just didn't get to it.
<hannie> Is this the agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda
<GunnarHj> hannie: Yes.
<dsmythies> Hannie: sort of. it is mostly obsolete.
<hannie> ha, ha
<dsmythies> #topic Ubuntu Docs not mentioned in slidehsow
<hannie> I was particularly interested in Pending Action Points #3, but we will come to that later
<GunnarHj> Ok. I wrote https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+bug/1406972 the other day. Just wanted to make sure that you agree that the change I want to do is justified.
<dsmythies> GunnarHj: I definately agree.
<hannie> GunnarHj, what a good idea!
<dsmythies> Actually, I do not understand why the official docs are not promoted more.
<hannie> We need a special PR person
<GunnarHj> dsmythies: Me neither. And that might have something to do with not talking to Canonical people very often. ;)
<GunnarHj> hannie: Yeah, maybe...
<dsmythies> hannie: I do think it is an issue within the docs group that nobody seems to want to be the manager or leader or overall driver.
<GunnarHj> But let's finish that item: I'll make a merge proposal.
<dsmythies> Gunnar: O.K.
<dsmythies> #action GunnarHj will make a Merge Proposal for the slidehsow.
<meetingology> ACTION: GunnarHj will make a Merge Proposal for the slidehsow.
<hannie> dsmythies, one needs special skills for that. I certainly do not have those skills
<dsmythies> #topic godbyk to poll members of the Ubuntu Manual team over disbanding the Ubuntu Manual project and joining the Ubuntu Docs team
<hannie> dsmythies, do you mind if I say something about this?
<dsmythies> I think kevin has been bust with his theses stuff.
<dsmythies> hannie: go ahead
<hannie> yeah, poor chap
<hannie> We have discussed this before. The UMP is suffering because of lack of contributors
<hannie> We have recently decided to publish only LTS versions
<hannie> But we are afraid that, by the time the next LTS comes out, we will have to find a complete new team
<hannie> The future will tell
<dsmythies> "lack of contributors" seems universal
<hannie> I didn't know Kevin wanted to poll the team again, but I personally think there is no team left, except for Kevin, Mehmet and me
<hannie> I am in favor of disbanding the team, join ubuntu-docs team and publish the manual LTS only under the umbrella of ubuntu-docs
<GunnarHj> Luckily it doesn't happen much with Unity 7 right now. I share the exactly same concern as regards the desktop guide for the case it starts changing...
<dsmythies> hannie: It is somewhat of a older action itme. Maybe Kevin did the poll and I forget the results.
<GunnarHj> dsmythies: There was a discussion at the manual list. Kevin never reported back.
<hannie> yes, I thought so too. I will ask Kevin about it, but it is still something we should consider
<pleia2> the consensus seemed to be it was ok to join docs, as long as they can remain atonomous
<pleia2> we don't dictact formats or flow of their project or anything
<dsmythies> Is there a take away from this, or an action to summarize? hannie to talk to kevin?
<hannie> hi pleia2
<dsmythies> sorry, pleia2
<hannie> I suggest I discuss this with Kevin and report back on the ubuntu-docs mailing list
<pleia2> hannie: thanks hannie
<dsmythies> is the action for hannie or plea2?
<GunnarHj> hannie: You said: "publish the manual LTS only under the umbrella of ubuntu-docs". Can you please elaborate? What difference compared to today would that mean?
<dsmythies> Sorry, I misread...
<dsmythies> #action hannie to confer with Kevin re: UMP and report to e-mail list.
<meetingology> ACTION: hannie to confer with Kevin re: UMP and report to e-mail list.
<hannie> GunnarHj, I will discuss this with Kevin and try to figure out how we can do this
<GunnarHj> hannie: Ok.
<hannie> dsmythies, I think you can close this subject for now
<dsmythies> O.K. give me a second...
<dsmythies> #topic Custom Search Engine
<dsmythies> We have asked for feedback, but haven't got any. I would still like Gunnar and myself to be given access rights. Anyway, myself, I think it is O.K> now.
<GunnarHj> I agree it's ok. Let's drop it for now.
<dsmythies> but I would like to be able drill down in the serach to only include, for example, the serverguide.
<dsmythies> Other topics?
<hannie> Not for me
<GunnarHj> dsmythies: Guess you should just ask Dustin then.
<GunnarHj> No more topics here either.
<dsmythies> Can I go back to something for a minute?
<GunnarHj> Sure
<hannie> yes
<dsmythies> #topic Canonical communications
<dsmythies> The issue that I have with Canonical communications is that I find it frustrating and very very very often get no reply. Examples:
<dsmythies> attempting to drive the mascot icon thing to conclusion. Ends wup with no reply and no procedure for next time.
<dsmythies> the additional help stuff. Often no reply.
<dsmythies> One start of fell like, well why bother.
<hannie> It is essential that you find someone at Canonical whom you can rely on
<hannie> Do the know how much time contributors spend on helping ubuntu users?
<hannie> *they
<dsmythies> I was thinking to organize my thoughts better, and more constuctive, and take them to the next higher level meeting. That level pleia2 is involved with (I forget the name just now)
<GunnarHj> I have positive experiences of submitting tickets, but I do agree about the mascot icon issue. ;)
<pleia2> community council?
<dsmythies> yes, thanks.
<pleia2> yeah, you're always welcome to send a mail to douglassanchez@example.org when you hit blockers with Canonical
<pleia2> so organized thoughts would be appreciated so we can help :)
<dsmythies> O.K. thanks. I'll think about it more, but not give myself and action item just yet.
<dsmythies> #topic other
<dsmythies> Are we done?
<GunnarHj> think so
<hannie> think so
<dsmythies> O.K. then I will end.
<dsmythies> #endmeeting
<meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan  6 18:23:22 2015 UTC.
<meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2015/ubuntu-meeting-2.669-615-7011.31.moin.txt
<GunnarHj> Thanks all! See you.
<hannie> will there be a link to this meeting on the mailing list?
<dsmythies> bye everyone.
<hannie> bye bye, see you
<dsmythies> GunnarHj: I expected Peter M. to be here, but he wasn't.
<GunnarHj> dsmythies: Right. To me he said he would start leading the meetings again...
<pmatulis> are we having a doc meeting?
<dsmythies> Peter: The docs metting was an hour ago.
#ubuntu-meeting-2 2015-01-08
<alexis_> hello everyone
<alexis_> hello everyone
<alexis_> ther is any meet for today
<alexis_> there is any meeting for today
#ubuntu-meeting-2 2015-01-20
 * slangasek waves
<pitti> o/
<slangasek> who's on for chairing?  I can't find any minutes that say
<pitti> pretty much zero agenda today, isn't it?
<pitti> last meeting was scarcely attended, and also had zero topics
<pitti> aside from clearing the second and third action review point
<pitti> slangasek: you come after me on https://launchpad.net/~techboard/+members
<pitti> slangasek: quick, take it before the next "real" meeting comes along :)
<slangasek> #startmeeting
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<pitti> slangasek: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda updated
<slangasek> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda
<slangasek> [TOPIC] Apologies
<slangasek> I think you said mdeslaur and infinity sent their apologies today
<slangasek> stgraber seems to be here
<slangasek> no sign of kees?
<stgraber> yeah, I'm around
<pitti> right, infinity apol'ed on IRC, mdeslaur on the ML
<slangasek> ok
<slangasek> [TOPIC] Action review
<slangasek> * infinity to review and respond to MAAS SRU thread
<slangasek> I don't recall if this was still carried over from last time?
<slangasek> I assume it is, without infinity here to tell us otherwise
<pitti> it is, yes; he expressed is refreshed intent to reply two weeks ago
<pitti> (sorry for lag, still in QA team meeting hangout)
<slangasek> mailing list topics...
<slangasek> there's a docker question on the mailing list
<slangasek> anything we should discuss on that?
<pitti> oh, you mean https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2014-December/002062.html
<slangasek> yes
<pitti> I'm not very happy about that, TBH
<slangasek> should we discuss it here? or follow up on the list?
<pitti> either major versions do keep backwards compat, then a docker-latest package would be eaiser to maintain than letting intermediate major versions in -updats just bitrot
<pitti> and if they don't keep backwards compat AND fixes are hard to backport, then it's even worse: it essentially means that we claim that we can't support that package at all
<pitti> and then it shouldn't be in a stable release at all, but people should rather get it from a PPA, or charm, or whatever
<pitti> (but I don't quite believe that just yet)
<slangasek> there are various well-known problems with using ppas as a distribution mechanism, particularly for servers
<slangasek> yes, I think we are saying we can't support docker in the LTS according to our usual model
<pitti> and the proposal in that above mail would combine the disadvantages
<slangasek> but as the package is already in the LTS, we should figure out what to do with this fast-moving, high-profile package
<pitti> a lot of packages to maintain, and users have to choose between "reproducability of installations but insecure" and "secure, latest release, breaks backwards compat"
<slangasek> "a lot of packages to maintain" - I'm not sure that's the TB's problem, however?
<pitti> well, "LTS" -- it's in universe, so ceratinly not a 5 year support thing
<pitti> it's not, but I don't quite see how it would help the problem
<slangasek> the maintenance (or lack thereof) falls on the team pushing for this; if the server team thinks this is the right tradeoff for them...
<pitti> if they break compat, we can't obviously upgrade existing users automatically
<pitti> so we'd have to backport fixes anyway
<slangasek> ok
<slangasek> I think this probably warrants more discussion on the mailing list, then?
<pitti> yeah, I think so
<slangasek> [TOPIC] docker in 14.04
<slangasek> [ACTION] pitti to follow up on the mailing list regarding his concerns about upgradeability
<meetingology> ACTION: pitti to follow up on the mailing list regarding his concerns about upgradeability
<slangasek> there's also this on the mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2014-December/002061.html
<slangasek> looks like the ball is in the Kubuntu team's court however
<slangasek> so probably nothing further needed on our side, except perhaps a gentle ping to Riddell / ScottK
<pitti> from my POV we are waiting for some SRU test plan?
<slangasek> right
<slangasek> I don't see anything else on the list
<slangasek> [TOPIC] Check up on community bugs
 * pitti neither
<slangasek> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bugs?field.assignee=techboard is empty
<slangasek> that seems to be everything, then
<slangasek> chair for next meeting should be stgraber
<slangasek> [TOPIC] Next meeting
<slangasek> [INFO] Chair for next meeting is stgraber
<stgraber> note that I may not be available two weeks from now
<slangasek> oh, indeed
<stgraber> as slangasek, infinity and I will be at a sprint in Cape Town and may be in meetings or other social things at the time
<slangasek> 7pm, hopefully not in meetings :)
<pitti> slangasek: famous last words!
<pitti> anyway, I can do that
<slangasek> [INFO] Next meeting date: 2015-02-03 @ 1700 UTC
<pitti> I'll be back home from Brussels then
<slangasek> [INFO] pitti possibly to chair in stgraber's place due to sprint
<slangasek> anything else?
<slangasek> #endmeeting
<meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan 20 17:24:54 2015 UTC.
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<slangasek> pitti, stgraber: thanks
<pitti> thanks!
#ubuntu-meeting-2 2016-01-05
<mdeslaur> infinity: happy new year!
<slangasek> happy new year
<mdeslaur> slangasek: happy new year!
<infinity> *grunt*
<mdeslaur> hehe
<pitti> o/
<mdeslaur> hi pitti!
<pitti> happy new year everyone!
<infinity> pitti: You too.
<pitti> not that we'd have much of an agenda, but let's still wait a bit on stgraber, slangasek, and kees
<slangasek> I have always been here ;)
<pitti> hey slangasek, how are you?
<slangasek> pitti: not too bad! out of the eggnog coma
<slangasek> pitti: you?
<pitti> slangasek: quite well, had a really nice time in Dresden; replacing IRC with lots of walks, museums, spending time with family & friends etc :)
<pitti> then again, what are we doing here, we all timed out :)
<pitti> so, *shrug*
<pitti> #startmeeting
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<pitti> #topic action review
<pitti>     ACTION: slangasek to document juju, docker exceptions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Special_Cases
<pitti>     ACTION: infinity to follow up with maas SRU exception
<pitti> the usual?
 * pitti doesn't suspect any progress over the holidays
<infinity> Yeah, not so much.
<slangasek> indeed not, sorry :)
<pitti> no worries, just following the protocol
<pitti> nothing on the ML either except for being on the CC checkup meeting
<pitti> so I guess that leaves us to
<pitti> #topic tech board re-election
<pitti> I notified Mark about our timeout and asked for re-adding all of us for another month
<slangasek> does anyone have any experience running the election?
<pitti> does anyone remember what we did two years ago for the election?
<pitti> I know someone set up a poll, maybe Mark himself, maybe someone from CC
<slangasek> we had an email from dholbach back at the beginning of December, pointing to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Restaffing which suggests that the board itself "usually" runs the election
<pitti> ok, that doesn't tell much about the operational details of setting up the voting, but before that Mark needs to appoint candidates anyway
<slangasek> ok
<pitti> TBH, my motivation for doing a fourth 2-year term is relatively low -- we haven't really been that useful in the last two years IMHO
<infinity> I'd like to see us get more useful, but I'm not sure how to magically make that happen.
<mdeslaur> was there a call for nominations last time? I can't seem to find it
<slangasek> my recollection was that Mark hand-picks?
<pitti> yeah, mine to
<mdeslaur> ok
<pitti> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2013-December/001759.html
<pitti> is what I found from the last time
<sabdfl> hello all
<infinity> Oh hey, look.
<slangasek> sabdfl: hi!
<sabdfl> happy new year to you too, infinity
<mdeslaur> sabdfl: hi! happy new year
<sabdfl> hey slangasek, pitti, mdeslaur, good to see you all
<pitti> and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2013-October/001734.html
<pitti> oh, hello sabdfl! happy new year!
<sabdfl> i believe i and to you too pitti, i hope you guys all had a very restful and happy holiday
<sabdfl> well, that came out all wrong
 * pitti reorders :)
<sabdfl> s/i believe i//
<sabdfl> pitti, was the link re cor-dev membership as a requirement, or staggering terms?
<pitti> sabdfl: the mails from two years ago above were just about procedural issues and pretty much the same questions that we have now
<pitti> sabdfl: but ISTR that core-dev should be a rather strong requirement
<sabdfl> yes, i think so too, though i would tend to filter nominations that way in any event
<pitti> sabdfl: so what are the next steps? should we sent out a public call for nominations, or do you want to ponder that and nominate yourself?
<sabdfl> am i interrupting or can we talk about elections?
<sabdfl> cool
<pitti> sabdfl: it's our only topic and it's going on right now
<sabdfl> public call for nominations please, i just shortlist
<pitti> ack
<infinity> I nominate the current board.  *cough*
<sabdfl> i'd like to discuss nominations with the T, but i believe your only list is public?
<sabdfl> TB
<pitti> right, it is
<pitti> so that'd be individual mails
<sabdfl> will do
<sabdfl> may i ask that the current TB extend for 3 weeks to cover a 2-week call for nominations and a 1-week election?
<pitti> sabdfl: I mailed you the other day with proposing an extension by one month
<infinity> I don't think any of us have issues with that, so long as you click the buttons in LP.
<mdeslaur> I'm fine with that
<infinity> (The lack of permissions has already caused some issues :P)
<sabdfl> i'll ask folks to ack if they want me to do the clicky click
<pitti> (FTR, ack from me as well)
<infinity> pitti: You're chairing, startvote +1mo and clicky clicky? :P
<infinity> Or 3wk.
<infinity> Or whatever.
<pitti> as for the nominations, mail to u-devel-announce@? who should the nominees be sent to? I'm happy enough to collect them in private, or should they go to u-devel-discuss@?
<pitti> #vote extend current TB term by one month for the re-election
<meetingology> Please vote on: extend current TB term by one month for the re-election
<meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
<pitti> +1
<meetingology> +1 received from pitti
<mdeslaur> +1
<meetingology> +1 received from mdeslaur
<infinity> +1
<meetingology> +1 received from infinity
<pitti> need slangasek for quorum
<infinity> pitti: If they're being filtered, they should be sent privately.  No one needs the public embarrassment of self-nominating and being rejected.
<pitti> yes, that's what I thought
<pitti> when I collect them privately, I won't do any replies or discussion, just assemble the list and send them to sabdfl after 2 weeks
<slangasek> +1
<meetingology> +1 received from slangasek
<pitti> (FTR, if anyone else wants to, I happily hand that over :) )
<pitti> #endvote
<meetingology> Voting ended on: extend current TB term by one month for the re-election
<meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
<meetingology> Motion carried
<pitti> sabdfl: thanks in advance for the button pushing
<infinity> pitti: You're the most trusted of all of us, happy to let you be the man behind the curtain. :P
<sabdfl> love the voting thing, it's such a good idea!
<pitti> sabdfl: while we are at it, who has experience with setting up the actual voting in two weeks?
<sabdfl> dholbach
<pitti> ack, thanks
<sabdfl> istr he just ran the process for the CC
<pitti> ok, so we have a plan now?
<sabdfl> only thing to be sure of is the voters roll
<pitti> #action pitti to send out call for nominations to u-d-a@, collect proposals for two weeks, and send to sabdfl
<meetingology> ACTION: pitti to send out call for nominations to u-d-a@, collect proposals for two weeks, and send to sabdfl
<sabdfl> i'll take nominations by direct email (can be cc'd to TB@ if folks want a nomination on the record)
<pitti> sabdfl: ah, you collect the votes? WFM too, then I don't proxy
<sabdfl> pls cc the nominee (and if public pls check with them before nominating them :)
<pitti> ack
<sabdfl> i'll double-check with nominees
<sabdfl> and then discuss nominations with current TB, just to give the conspiracy theorists a head start
<sabdfl> then we'll have a shortlist, and a vote, and a TB
<infinity> \o/
<mdeslaur> \o/
<pitti> https://launchpad.net/~techboard/+members whee!
<sabdfl> hmm, i might have overclicked - kees is correct yes?
<infinity> Yes.
<sabdfl> phew
<infinity> But you're missing stgraber.
<sabdfl> otherwise that might have been surprising to him
<sabdfl> reload
<infinity> Oh, there he is.  I refreshed.
<infinity> ;)
<sabdfl> alrighty then
<sabdfl> AOB?
<pitti> thanks sabdfl
<pitti> #topic AOB
<mdeslaur> thanks sabdfl
<infinity> I was wondering if the size of the TB is something to discuss for this election too.
<pitti> good point
<infinity> Namely that, minus sabdfl, who isn't usually present for votes, we are an even number.
<infinity> Which is awkward.
<pitti> TB tasks have dramatically reduced over the years
<infinity> 5 might be better than 6.
<pitti> sabdfl: ^
<infinity> Not that we often disagree, but if someone poses the right question, it could happen. :P
<pitti> infinity: FWIW, +1 from me
<pitti> AOB #2?
<mdeslaur> I have nothing
<infinity> I haven't had breakfast yet, and that's a dire issue.
<infinity> (So, no, nothing else)
<pitti> #endmeeting
<meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan  5 17:44:24 2016 UTC.
<meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2016/ubuntu-meeting-2.669-615-7011.06.moin.txt
<pitti> thanks everyone!
<mdeslaur> thanks pitti!
<mdeslaur> thanks everyone
<slangasek> thanks!
<pitti> slangasek, sabdfl, infinity, mdeslaur: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14412520/ â does that look ok?
<slangasek> pitti: lgtm
<infinity> pitti: wfm
<pitti> thx
<pitti> and out it is
 * pitti waves good night
<infinity> pitti: Moderated.
<pitti> infinity: oh, I thought I did :)
<infinity> Oh, well, one of us did.
<pitti> the listadmin race is on!
#ubuntu-meeting-2 2016-01-19
 * slangasek waves
<pitti> o/
 * stgraber waves
<kees> hi!
<slangasek> whee quorum
<slangasek> #startmeeting
<meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jan 19 17:01:34 2016 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
<meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
<slangasek> [TOPIC] Apologies
<slangasek> I haven't seen any apologies sent to the list
<infinity> I can apologize for being here, if that helps.
<slangasek> looks like everyone is here, except mdeslaur and sabdfl?
<pitti> yeah, I was looking for Mark on C IRC too, but he's not online
<kees> infinity: i refuse your apology!
<infinity> kees: I refuse your refusal.  Checkmate.
 * kees bows
<slangasek> moving on :)
<slangasek> [TOPIC] Action review
<slangasek> ACTION: slangasek to document juju, docker exceptions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Special_Cases
<slangasek> ACTION: infinity to follow up with maas SRU exception
<infinity> Oh crap.
<slangasek> ok, I swear docker wasn't on that list previously
<infinity> I should do some maas stuff today.
<slangasek> mdeslaur: hi!
<slangasek> I think somebody editorial-changes-ed me
<mdeslaur> whoops, sorry, forgot about the meeting
<slangasek> regardless, I'm in the same state as infinity - still to be done
<infinity> slangasek: docker handling is in a state of flux (shock) after the CDO sprint, ignore that one for a bit.
<infinity> slangasek: I've been having discussions with the server team about proposed plans and their relative sanity.
<slangasek> infinity: gladly!
<slangasek> [ACTION] slangasek to document juju exception on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Special_Cases
<meetingology> ACTION: slangasek to document juju exception on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Special_Cases
<slangasek> [ACTION] infinity to follow up with maas SRU exception
<meetingology> ACTION: infinity to follow up with maas SRU exception
<slangasek> infinity: what's the action re: docker, then?
<slangasek> (and for the record, no, docker had always been on that list :)
<infinity> slangasek: Well, nothing to document until they've hashed out a plan of action and presented it.
<infinity> slangasek: I've had a few meetings with rbasak and co, perhaps an action to just revisit status at the next meeting and make sure it's going somewhere.
<slangasek> [ACTION] revisit status at next meeting of server plans for docker in 16.04
<meetingology> ACTION: revisit status at next meeting of server plans for docker in 16.04
<slangasek> infinity: look good?
<infinity> Yep.
<slangasek> [TOPIC] TB election
<slangasek> according to the agenda, today's the last day of the call for nominees
<slangasek> if you're on the board and want to stand again, don't forget to nominate yourself :)
<pitti> right
<pitti> we have 6 public nominations, haven't heard from Mark about privately sent ones
<slangasek> (if you're here reading but not on the board and are interested, don't forget to nominate yourself!)
<infinity> One of the public nominations isn't a core-dev. (or even MOTU)
<pitti> FTR, I didn't candidate again; I did three terms (6 years), and I think we should shrink the board a bit as there's muuuch less work than it used to be
<infinity> I think we should shrink it by 1, to get an odd number (minus Mark).
<infinity> Since he never votes, and has absolute veto anyway.
<slangasek> so what's the process for doing that?
<slangasek> getting sabdfl to agree to change the number of seats?
<infinity> No idea.  We lack a constitution.
<infinity> So, yeah, I tihnk just getting sabdfl to agree.
<slangasek> play tinny music on a record player during the TB election, then stop it suddenly and remove a seat?
<slangasek> did someone already contact Mark about this? I saw infinity suggest this change previously but don't recall if it was written in a mail or whatnot
<pitti> I didn't, I was hoping we could discuss that during the meeting
<infinity> Yeah, I suggested it in the last meeting, but nothing formally-presented.
<infinity> I think odd number (for tie-breakers) makes sense, and shrinking to 3 probably excludes too many points of view for healthy discussion, so I'd be happy with five.
<mdeslaur> perhaps propose this to the list?
<infinity> I can mail the list today, and CC Mark.
<slangasek> pitti: discuss because you disagree with that proposal
<slangasek> ?
<pitti> or we could even vote
<infinity> Right, I think it's worth us voting on, then proposing.
<pitti> slangasek: I'm fine with 5
<stgraber> I'm happy with it too
<pitti> 3 would suffice too IMHO, but it'd get pretty lonely if someone can't attend the meeting
<slangasek> #vote Propose to sabdfl to reduce the number of TB members by one to five, giving an odd number of members for regular business
<meetingology> Please vote on: Propose to sabdfl to reduce the number of TB members by one to five, giving an odd number of members for regular business
<meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
<pitti> but I totally agree to "odd number" in either case
<pitti> +1
<meetingology> +1 received from pitti
<infinity> +1
<stgraber> +1
<meetingology> +1 received from infinity
<meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
<slangasek> +1
<meetingology> +1 received from slangasek
<mdeslaur> +0
<meetingology> +0 received from mdeslaur
<kees> +1
<meetingology> +1 received from kees
<slangasek> #endvote
<meetingology> Voting ended on: Propose to sabdfl to reduce the number of TB members by one to five, giving an odd number of members for regular business
<meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
<meetingology> Motion carried
<slangasek> excellent
<infinity> Alright.  I'll mail later today after I've rested from kernel security madness.
<slangasek> (and I didn't even fail at running the voting machine, which had me nervous after such disuse)
<mdeslaur> hehe
<infinity> (PS: People who release 0-day exploits at 5am should be shot)
<slangasek> [ACTION] infinity to raise to sabdfl the proposal to reduce the number of TB members
<meetingology> ACTION: infinity to raise to sabdfl the proposal to reduce the number of TB members
<slangasek> ok
<slangasek> no other agenda items in the wiki
<slangasek> [TOPIC] Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed (standing item)
<pitti> I see nothign green except nominatinos
<slangasek> there was also the mail from mhall about the Ubuntu Governance catch-up
<pitti> "monitations", "nomnomnations"
<pitti> that's in a month (Feb 18)
<slangasek> which I've put on my calendar, and supposing I'm not re-elected will make sure I pass on to someone else
<slangasek> pitti: May 19?
<slangasek> oh, there are two
<slangasek> CC and Ubuntu Governance
<slangasek> I'm pretty sure I won't make the CC one fwiw
<pitti> slangasek: mine from Jan 4 says CC-TB checkup is Feb
<infinity> pitti: Yeah, two mails, two meetings.
<slangasek> ok, nothing else on mailing list
<slangasek> [TOPIC] Check up on community bugs
<infinity> Nada.
<slangasek> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bugs?field.assignee=techboard is empty
<slangasek> [TOPIC] Select a chair for the next meeting
<infinity> Assuming re-election, looks like it's stgraber.
<infinity> If not, well, whee.
<slangasek> I believe that's stgraber, followed by infinity
<slangasek> ah yes, we expire EOM again :)
<slangasek> [INFO] next chair (assuming reÃ«lection): stgraber, backup is infinity
<infinity> reÃ«lection?
<slangasek> ;)
<infinity> Deadkeys gone wild?
<slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
<slangasek> infinity: naw, deadkeys are evil; that's just me having fun
<pitti> that actually looks right, it's a trema
<slangasek> ok, anything else need discussing today?
<infinity> It would be right without the first e.
<infinity> And I think we might be all discussed out for the day.
<slangasek> #endmeeting
<meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan 19 17:27:07 2016 UTC.
<meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2016/ubuntu-meeting-2.669-615-7011.01.moin.txt
<slangasek> ok then
<slangasek> thanks, all!
<pitti> thanks everyone
<mdeslaur> thanks everyone!
<kees> thanks!
<pitti> now, happy campaigning! :-)
<stgraber> thanks!
<slangasek> :)
<pitti> infinity: and FWIW, rÃ«lection looks completely wrong
<slangasek> it is wrong
<infinity> Oh, wait.  Yeah.  I guess if you're using it in the "make it not silent" sense.
<infinity> Derp.
<pitti> if languages had any kind of consistency, and English would use tremas, reÃ«lection would be fairly right given its pronounciation :)
<pitti> ("re-el", not "reel")
 * infinity nods.
<pitti> no, in the "it's two distinct vowels", not a "joined" ones
<pitti> Like NoÃ«l or LoÃ¯c
<pitti> </pedantry>
<pitti> <dinner>
<pitti> bbl, thanks again
<slangasek> usually called diaeresis in English rather than trema, and it's mostly replaced by a dash instead
<slangasek> PS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaeresis_%28diacritic%29 claims that a diaeresis is "also known as the umlaut" someone please fix ;)
<pitti> yeah, I still know it from French; German has lost it as a Trema and uses it as umlauts, but it's long-gone from English as well
<slangasek> pitti: not so long, it was in common usage in print through the 1960s and some American newspapers still had it in their style guides through the last decade
<infinity> slangasek: The article goes on to explain the difference between a trema and an umlaut.
<pitti> slangasek: oh interesting; do you know any example?
<pitti> e. g. in German we pronounce "asteroid" as "o-id", not the "joined" sound like the English pronouncation
<slangasek> this contributes to giving the use of diaeresis in English words the impression of being pompous and stuffy, which may or may not have been the effect I was going for
<slangasek> pitti: examples of words or newspapers?
<slangasek> coÃ¶perative
<slangasek> and the New York Times
<slangasek> respectively :)
<pitti> in German we actually used to write "AsteroÃ¯d", but since German replaced that joined "oi" sound with "eu" the trema became obsolete
<pitti> slangasek: ah interesting, so that's actually exactly like reÃ«lection
 * infinity goes to do one last security kernel publication and catch a short nap.
 * pitti -> dinner and back to proposed-migration sprint
<pitti> o/
#ubuntu-meeting-2 2017-01-03
 * slangasek waves
 * infinity grunts.
 * stgraber waves
<mdeslaur> hi!
<stgraber> #startmeeting TB
<meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jan  3 17:01:26 2017 UTC.  The chair is stgraber. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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<mdeslaur> happy new year! (well, except to infinity who's staying in 2016.)
<stgraber> Welcome to the first TB meeting of 2017!
<infinity> Welcome to my first action deferral of 2017!
<mdeslaur> hehe
<infinity> Cause I basically slept through the holidays.
<stgraber> right, so lets start with what then :)
<stgraber> #topic Action review
<stgraber> ACTION: infinity to follow up with maas SRU exception
<infinity> See above.
<stgraber> ACTION: infinity to play with seed/maint-check changes on dogfood to build a new xenial release pocket for support length auditing (ETA: 16.04.2 release)
<stgraber> ACTION: slangasek to investigate getting tagged ubuntu-community bugs automatically forwarded to technical-board, and if not feasible, fall back to DMB sending signed emails to list for ACL requests
<slangasek> I am also kicking my can down the road
<stgraber> #topic Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed (standing item)
<stgraber> nothing that needs to be brought up to this meeting AFAICT
<slangasek> did not see anything on the tb list, but this came to my attention: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2016-December/017230.html
<infinity> No, although the removal of pitti from a non-Canonical team tells me I need to refresh IS on their leaver policy.
<slangasek> (mentioning for awareness only; I'm planning to follow up, but haven't gotten to it yet over the holiday)
<slangasek> infinity: which one?
<stgraber> well, we got an e-mail from BenC wrt powerpc not being a thing anymore
<infinity> slangasek: launchpad-buildd-admins
<slangasek> I'm guessing they have a hard time knowing which ones are or aren't Canonical-only
<slangasek> k
<stgraber> ok, so good to hear that slangasek will follow up on BenC's e-mail, that was the only thing that came to mind wrt TB related business for the past few weeks
<stgraber> #topic community bugs
<stgraber> nothing listed
<stgraber> #topic AOB
<stgraber> anyone has anything else they'd like to bring up?
<slangasek> nothing here
<stgraber> #topic Select chair
<infinity> Can we vote ourselves a raise and another few weeks of vacation?
<slangasek> too late, the topic changed and that's now out of order
<mdeslaur> +1
<stgraber> next is infinity with kees as backup
<infinity> Mmkay.
<stgraber> wiki updated
<stgraber> #endmeeting
<meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan  3 17:10:29 2017 UTC.
<meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2017/ubuntu-meeting-2.669-615-7011.01.moin.txt
<slangasek> stgraber, mdeslaur, infinity: thanks!
<mdeslaur> thanks stgraber!
<stgraber> thanks for another short meeting, now to go enjoy some lunch!
<mdeslaur> thanks everyone
#ubuntu-meeting-2 2017-01-17
<mdeslaur> \o
<mdeslaur> hi kees!
<kees> o/
<kees> delayed by ice! ;)
<mdeslaur> pffff....ice :)
<kees> :)
<kees> just us? :P
<mdeslaur> hrm, it's going to be a short meeting if it's just us :P
<mdeslaur> stgraber, slangasek: meeting?
<mdeslaur> infinity is MI
<mdeslaur> MIA
<kees> well, as backup, I declare this meeting both started and over. :P
<slangasek> kees, mdeslaur: sorry, off work today so missed the calendar
 * stgraber waves
<stgraber> also off today
<mdeslaur> so, meeting?
<stgraber> sure, looks like it's kees' turn to chair since infinity isn't around
<stgraber> doesn't look like there's anything to discuss though, unless slangasek made progress with his action
<mdeslaur> there's the xorg post to the mailing list
<mdeslaur> ok, let's respond to the post directly an cancel the meeting
 * mdeslaur -> lunch
#ubuntu-meeting-2 2017-01-31
<mdeslaur> hi infinity
<mdeslaur> hi stgraber
 * stgraber waves
<infinity> o/
<infinity> Role call!
<infinity> Role?  No, roll.
<infinity> That thing.
<infinity> kees, slangasek: Here?
<slangasek> infinity: hi
<slangasek> who's chair?
<infinity> According to the wiki, me.
<slangasek> (I hope it's not me, I have a conflicting meeting I have to put half my brain in)
<infinity> #startmeeting Ubuntu Technical Board Meeting
<meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jan 31 17:01:47 2017 UTC.  The chair is infinity. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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<infinity> #topic Action Review
<infinity> Starting with me, MaaS thing is still a carryover, and support status stuff needs mangling this week.  Will make time for the latter.
<infinity> slangasek: Something about community bugs and ACL requests?
<slangasek> ?
<slangasek> oh
<infinity> "ACTION: slangasek to investigate getting tagged ubuntu-community bugs automatically forwarded to technical-board, and if not feasible, fall back to DMB sending signed emails to list for ACL requests"
<slangasek> yes, that's carry-over
<slangasek> it's blocked on me not having asked sabdfl to change the setting yet on the team
<infinity> Kay.
<infinity> #topic Mailing List Review
<infinity> So, I'm handling the X HWE stuff with an SRU team hat on, taking it off our plate.
<infinity> Anyone feel like responding to Robert about snapd-glib?
<infinity> Aaaaaanyone? :P
<slangasek> I feel like it, it's on my backlog
<infinity> Kay.
<slangasek> though the short answer is "create your wiki page like the others you just pointed to, and get it reviewed"
<infinity> #action Steve to follow up to snapd-glib SRU exception request
<meetingology> ACTION: Steve to follow up to snapd-glib SRU exception request
<infinity> #topic Community Bugs
<infinity> Nein.
<infinity> Nada.
<infinity> Zilch.
<infinity> Zip.
<infinity> #topic Next Chair
<infinity> I missed last meeting, and the wiki wasn't updated, who chaired in my stead two weeks ago?
<mdeslaur> kees cancelled it
<infinity> Oh.  No one.  Check.
<infinity> So, next chair is kees w/ mdeslaur backup.
<mdeslaur> ack
<infinity> #topic AOB
<infinity> Anyone have any OB?
<mdeslaur> not me
<infinity> Alright.  Next meeting is Valentine's Day (bring candy hearts), wiki being updated as we speak.
<infinity> #endmeeting
<meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan 31 17:11:18 2017 UTC.
<meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2017/ubuntu-meeting-2.669-615-7011.01.moin.txt
<mdeslaur> thanks infinity!
<stgraber> thanks
<slangasek> I have a stomach ache now just thinking about candy hearts
<slangasek> thanks :)
<infinity> You're welcome.
#ubuntu-meeting-2 2018-01-02
 * kees looks around
 * slangasek waves
<kees> just us two?
<slangasek> maybe? :)
<slangasek> stgraber not in channel
<slangasek> nor mdeslaur
<slangasek> ok, thanks for chairing ;)
<kees> heh
<kees> I can at least ask if you did your ACTION in the agenda?
<slangasek> I did not ;)
<kees> I call this meeting to an end! :)
#ubuntu-meeting-2 2018-01-03
<tsimonq2> slangasek, kees: Could someone update the TB agenda with the next meeting date?
<tsimonq2> One could reasonably predict it but I'd like to be 100% sure
<tsimonq2> (I have an agenda item for next time)
<slangasek> tsimonq2: not just this moment; in the meantime, fwiw the meetings are listed on http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/fridge/
<tsimonq2> slangasek: Added my item to the agenda; in any case I'm just going to be asking some prelimilary questions about Qt packages where it pertains to Stable Release Updates, especially given that 5.9 will be supported for the next three years...
<tsimonq2> (I'd like the TB's opinion to see if Qt could stand for an SRU exception, if that sort of thing is even necessary...)
<slangasek> tsimonq2: SRU exceptions have been delegated entirely to the SRU team, just email ubuntu-release
<tsimonq2> slangasek: oh, ok
<tsimonq2> (glad I told you what I was actually doing then)
#ubuntu-meeting-2 2018-01-16
<mdeslaur> \o
<infinity> mdeslaur: I have a sneaking suspicion Steve and Stephane are both drunk in Cape Town.
<infinity> mdeslaur: So, if kees doesn't show up in about 30 seconds, I'm calling this one a dud and going to get tacos.
<mdeslaur> they did send their apologies to the list
<infinity> Ahh, I hadn't looked yet.
<mdeslaur> mmmm...tacos....
<infinity> Right, well, two people ain't quorum, so let's taco.
<infinity> #startmeeting Ubuntu Technical Board Meeting
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<mdeslaur> ack, thanks!
<infinity> Quorum not met.
<infinity> #endmeeting
<meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan 16 20:02:54 2018 UTC.
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#ubuntu-meeting-2 2018-01-19
<bashfulrobot> Hi everyone. I was pretty sure there was a technical board meeting slated for today. But when having a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda - the date is for December. I wanted to confirm that   it is in fact slated for today in just under 2 hours from now.
<bashfulrobot> Also noticed that the link to the "fridge calendar" links over to a page not found. Links to: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar, but found this one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/Calendar So I'll update that as well.
<mdeslaur> bashfulrobot: hi! No, the techboard meeting was on tuesday (it's always on tuesdays)
<mdeslaur> bashfulrobot: unfortunately most of the board were travelling, so we didn't have quorum
<mdeslaur> bashfulrobot: so the meeting was cancelled
<bashfulrobot> ah, ok!
<mdeslaur> next meeting is on the 30th
<mdeslaur> the date and time is usually listed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda
<mdeslaur> (though looks like nobody updated it, I'll update it now)
<bashfulrobot> ok. I'll keep my item on the agenda (LTS application)... yeah - that is what prompted me to check in.
<bashfulrobot> I also modified the link above that was broken as well mdeslaur.
<mdeslaur> thanks
<bashfulrobot> I think I also thought it was today becasue I likely pulled the "day" and glossed over the date knowing the 19th of dec had already passed. :-P
<bashfulrobot> mdeslaur - appreciate the clarification.
<mdeslaur> np!
#ubuntu-meeting-2 2018-01-30
<bashfulrobot> Good day/evening everyone.
<mdeslaur> \o
 * tsimonq2 waves
 * slangasek waves
<slangasek> no sign of either chair or backup chair currently
<slangasek> and while we could hold the meeting without them, I'm not sure it's a good use of bashfulrobot / fossfreedom's time to discuss here, with a non-quorate subset of the TB, vs just continuing the discussion by email
<mdeslaur> FYI, I'll go and give my +1 to the budgie LTS via email in a minute
<bashfulrobot> Thank you!
<mdeslaur> sent
<bashfulrobot> So my understanding is that or LTS status discussion will continue on the mailing list (instead of here?)
<slangasek> bashfulrobot: yes, I think that's better than discussing it here with the two members who have already +1ed on the mailing list
<bashfulrobot> Ok, prefect. We (Budgie) appreciate your time!
<bashfulrobot> slangasek: thank you!
<mdeslaur> thanks bashfulrobot
<mdeslaur> ok, looks like nobody else is doing to show up
<mdeslaur> meetings cancelled.
<mdeslaur> err *meeting
<mdeslaur> wow, I can't type today
<bashfulrobot> Mdeslaur thanks to you as well!
#ubuntu-meeting-2 2020-01-28
 * vorlon waves
<mdeslaur> hi vorlon
<vorlon> mdeslaur: no quorum then, but on the bright side, xnox has given us some reading material on the list
<mdeslaur> yep!

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