#ubuntu-motu 2006-01-01 <crimsun> (I blame gnome-menus or something ;-) <raphink> pfff * raphink is getting crazy with kalcul <slomo> yes, let's blame seb ;) <raphink> lol <raphink> hi ogra_ibook <Yagisan> G'day All <Yagisan> If I want to redefine LD_LIBRARY_PATH so an app looks for it's libraries in a different path, it should be sufficient to put <Yagisan> LD_LIBRARY_PATH = /lib32 /usr/lib32 /usr/X11R6/lib32 /lib /usr/lib in debian/rules right ? <Lathiat> isnt it LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/lib32:/usr/lib32:/usr/X11R6/lib32.... <Yagisan> thanks Lathiat: I'm over-tired today and doing typos in my rules files <Yagisan> Lathiat: that didn't seem to work. I got a FTBFS again because it tried to use the library in /usr/lib rather then /usr/lib32 :( <crimsun> ./configure needs it in LDFLAGS <Yagisan> crimsun: thank you. I need a few working test cases for my ia32-libs-universe package <crimsun> my guess is anything game-related <Lathiat> so what exactly is in ia32-libs? <Yagisan> sorry guys - had to leave. My daughter jumped off the dining table trying to fly and I needed to administer first aid :( <crimsun> sounds like me some 20 years ago. <Yagisan> re: ia32-linbs-universe: currently sdl packages to get some games working, and I plan to put in whatever is needed to get wine going <Yagisan> crimsun, so you'd be about 22 then ? <Yagisan> my initial test cases are deng (not yet in ubuntu) zsnes and wine. Feel free to suggest others <crimsun> Yagisan: +4 <crimsun> speaking of wine, are we going to merge it from Sid? <Yagisan> crimsun: I don't know, the winehq guys have popped out either 0.9.3 or 0.9.4 now in their repo <Yagisan> crimsun: IIRC ubuntu uses their package <crimsun> those are supposed to be less stable than 0.9 <crimsun> according to Scott, who was fairly active in getting Hoary's wine up to speed <Yagisan> crimsun: to be honest, I have had regressions in every wine release after hoary shipped <crimsun> hmm. <Yagisan> crimsun: I mainly use it for gpl apps that are Win only, or 1 or 2 games I have form '95 <Yagisan> crimsun: but some people need it, so I'd like to see it running on amd64 <Yagisan> crimsun: I figured I could get some package magic working until real multiarch is done <crimsun> you probably want to coordinate with Tollef and Jeff on that, then <crimsun> I hear there are going to be some nasties in Dapper+1 <Yagisan> oh ? I figured it would be a simple case of adding some extra 32bit libs and some patches to rules and control to get this band-aid working <crimsun> the band-aid will suffice for Dapper, probably, but it won't work for Dapper+1 <crimsun> they have a much better idea of the transition than I do, though <Yagisan> crimsun: ok. I hope to have it ready for dapper. I'd rather not keep it around after dapper, as I'd prefer true multi-arch <Yagisan> crimsun: I already had siretart volunteer to test packages when ready, are you also interested ? <crimsun> Yagisan: I don't have an amd64 desktop, only a pbuilder some 3000 km away <Yagisan> crimsun: santa didn't get you one ? that's ok. santa didn't get me my ppc system for christmas either <crimsun> Yagisan: no, Santa brought me uninterrupted sleep instead. <Yagisan> crimsun: lucky you. Santa brought me a large hole in my wallet, and a severe lack of sleep since then <crimsun> Yagisan: :) <Yagisan> crimsun: It's called the "joy" of 2 under 2 <smallfoot> hi <smallfoot> what is this channel about? <crimsun> read the topic. <smallfoot> and why is there is so many damn ubuntu channels? <smallfoot> and can you please tell that guy crimsun not unban me <jsgotangco> because we're so damn many? <smallfoot> lol <smallfoot> oh <smallfoot> ok <smallfoot> i guess its good idea have many chans then <jsgotangco> crimsun, please unban smallfoot please... :D <smallfoot> yeh, pwetty please <crimsun> sorry, can't unban him here ;) <smallfoot> is ubuntu the most used linux of all distros? * Yagisan sighs * crimsun looks at the merge list instead * jsgotangco has nothing to do * smallfoot confused * smallfoot hugs crimsun, Yagisan and jsgotangco, extra big hug to jsgotangco <jsgotangco> err why? <Yagisan> wOOt! I found yet another way to make deng FTBFS <smallfoot> because you said to him plz unban me <smallfoot> deng FTBFS? <jsgotangco> smallfoot, you really believed that? :D * Yagisan feels like taking a shower again <smallfoot> ye <smallfoot> lol <smallfoot> warthy is newer than breeze badger? <smallfoot> can you use 'su' on ubuntu? <lifeless> smallfoot: no <lifeless> smallfoot: warty was first <smallfoot> ok <smallfoot> which one was before hoary hedgehog? <Yagisan> u410 <smallfoot> if you cant use 'su' on ubuntu then it sucks <smallfoot> it sucks that must type sudo everytime before use a command * jsgotangco kicks smallfoot <smallfoot> well, its so strange <smallfoot> i understand why its no root account, since that page says the benefit of no root <jsgotangco> smallfoot, its like this <Yagisan> smallfoot: You have no understanding of of system accountability do you ? <smallfoot> but then again, many telnet and ssh dont allow remote root login so it dont matter <smallfoot> i dont know, maybe <jsgotangco> smallfoot, if you know the difference of su and sudo you'll know the benefits <smallfoot> iknow different <jsgotangco> tell me <jsgotangco> what is the most obvious difference <smallfoot> sudo run command, su give you privilieges <jsgotangco> no <jsgotangco> strike 1 <smallfoot> damn <jsgotangco> just tell me the most obvious benefit of ussing sudo from su * Yagisan knows <smallfoot> sudo can run command immediately by 1 command instead of first use su, then type command <jsgotangco> no no let's not talk about semantics <jsgotangco> its pretty simple really <smallfoot> ok then i dont know <smallfoot> to me, is the same <smallfoot> both have power <Yagisan> so do batteries and power sockets <Yagisan> but they are not the same * Yagisan kicks deng hard <smallfoot> ok <smallfoot> who make all fancy names <smallfoot> like hoary hedgehog, breezy badger, war warthog <smallfoot> ? <Yagisan> the boss <smallfoot> ok <smallfoot> what if i make trademark on warty warthog?? <smallfoot> and breezy badger?? <Yagisan> the boss will sue your arse off the face of the planet <method> Canonical might own the trademarks. <Yagisan> I expect they would <smallfoot> ok <method> That's what corporations are for. <smallfoot> guys tell that guy crimsun to unban me from the other channels <smallfoot> mum says i must go sleep and close computer <smallfoot> bye!!! <method> What did you do? <Yagisan> crimsum - please ban smallfoot from ALL channels <crimsun> good thing I don't have that sort of privilege ;) <lifeless> apparently he is a swedish gorilla <smallfoot> wtf???? <smallfoot> WHY?? <smallfoot> LOLOL IM NOT MONKEY!! <smallfoot> please dont ban me from all channels <lifeless> 17:37 [freenode] -!- smallfoot [ramirezanna@example.org] <lifeless> 17:37 [freenode] -!- ircname : gorilla <smallfoot> please unban me from all chaanels <lifeless> 17:37 [freenode] -!- channels : #ubuntu-motu <lifeless> 17:37 [freenode] -!- server : irc.freenode.net [http://freenode.net/] <lifeless> looks like a gorilla to me;) <smallfoot> OH YEH SMART GUY <lifeless> 17:37 [freenode] -!- End of WHOIS <smallfoot> lololol <crimsun> smallfoot: rest assured that I won't (un)ban you from all channels <smallfoot> hmm <smallfoot> ok <smallfoot> =/ <smallfoot> you guys should be lucky i dont have ops!! <smallfoot> i would ban everybody!! <Hobbsee> hehe @ crimsun <jsgotangco> hehe <smallfoot> Hobbsee, you have the cute <jsgotangco> come on let's play warcraft <smallfoot> yeh <smallfoot> tell me your guys name in warcraft <smallfoot> then if you dont give me all your item, my guild will hunt you!! <jsgotangco> yeah right <smallfoot> ok <smallfoot> mom get angry <lifeless> smallfoot: please take this to #warcrat or something, its off topic here <smallfoot> i must close computer <smallfoot> bye!! * smallfoot hugs lifeless crimsun jsgotangco <Yagisan> this is so funny, and yet so sad <Yagisan> I'd say about 10 yrs <jsgotangco> when i started on linux, i had a lot of questions but i didnt annoy people (im pretty sure of it) <Yagisan> I still have lots of questions, but the best way to learn is to do it <Yagisan> speaking of which * Yagisan kicks ia32-libs-universe and deng both again <lifeless> Yagisan: I think 10 could only be physical, not mental age. <Yagisan> lifeless: possibly. btw if you are who I think you are, did you get your laptop fixed from udu ? <lifeless> erm, @ udu - my laptop was working, but the hinge was getting worse and worse <lifeless> I cannot open the hinge any more at all as of about 5 months back, I bought a dell x1, still have not managed to get the manufacturer to respond to get the hoverbook fixed. <Yagisan> lifeless: yep - thats the one. <Yagisan> lifeless: I met you, IIRC your in Sydney right <lifeless> yes <lifeless> up epping way <jsgotangco> oh you were there? * Yagisan needs to get his replacement key signed <Yagisan> jsgotangco: yep. It was nice - I went for proactive security <jsgotangco> you were at the UDU keysigning? <Yagisan> jsgotangco: yes - before terrible disaster struck <Yagisan> brb <jsgotangco> wow so we got to meet but didnt chat at all lol <Yagisan> jsgotangco: that sucks :( <jsgotangco> what's your full name i might have signed it * Yagisan is Jamie Jones <jsgotangco> right <Yagisan> lifeless: I'm down in lidcombe. perhaps one day when you're not busy, I could meet up with you for a key signing ? <lifeless> sure <lifeless> I work from home, so ;) <Yagisan> lifeless: heh - so do I * Yagisan makes note to pack business cards <Yagisan> jsgotangco: It's funny - I've probably met most people here, yet I can't remember what they look like <Hobbsee> more people from sydney - oh good! <Yagisan> Hobbsee: so where are you ? <Hobbsee> around near dural <Yagisan> that's not too far away, a pain to get to via public transport though <Hobbsee> yeah, i can drive, fortunately * Yagisan just walks 30 metres to the train station <Hobbsee> actually, cherrybrook is a closer location <Hobbsee> hehe nice, at epping? <Yagisan> nope, that's lifeless. I'm at licombe <Hobbsee> ah, right, yep <Yagisan> it could be worse, eg auburn, bankstown, lakemba etc <Yagisan> wOOt "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" <Hobbsee> hehe true <Yagisan> Hobbsee: so, what are you working on now ? <Hobbsee> right now? i'm a little dazed to work on this second, but i was doing a version of ksudoku earlier... <Yagisan> I do my best work when I'm out of it ;) <Hobbsee> hehe true <Hobbsee> i just got home from work <Yagisan> Hobbsee: are you are motu yet ? <Hobbsee> no <Hobbsee> i usually end up sending stuff through Riddell-awa <Yagisan> Hobbsee: I just send my stuff to revu, and await the "we can't have this in ubuntu, because upstream is needs to be beaten with a cluebat" comments <Hobbsee> hehe great <jsgotangco> has anyone verified http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ch02.html if it works <Yagisan> jsgotangco: I just read it. there are typos and it won't work as is <Yagisan> jsgotangco: most of it is fine <Yagisan> jsgotangco: perhaps a cut & paste error from the wiki ? <jsgotangco> Yagisan, where is the orignial wiki entry? <jsgotangco> its from docbook source <Yagisan> jsgotangco: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot <jsgotangco> ok i'll check it out <Yagisan> jsgotangco: the wiki one works fine <jsgotangco> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto doesn't apply? <Yagisan> jsgotangco: it does. <Yagisan> jsgotangco: both are useful. 1st one esp for amd64 users <jsgotangco> ok so i do DebootstrapChroot first right? <Yagisan> jsgotangco: yes <Yagisan> jsgotangco: wait - is this for developing packages ? <jsgotangco> i just want to try it out <jsgotangco> i assume i just change the lines that says breezy to dapper <jsgotangco> Yagisan, but right, for creating packages, wanted to verify the steps being done for documentation <Yagisan> jsgotangco: for building packages Pbuilder howto is good, but it will only build a pbuilder for your arch <Yagisan> jsgotangco: if you need to build a pbuilder for another arch, ie i386 on an amd64 system it is a little bit more involved <jsgotangco> i'll go first to debootstrap and see how it goes <Yagisan> jsgotangco: debootstrap will give you a chroot - good for doing test installs of your package <Yagisan> jsgotangco: but I strongly recommend you do the pbuilder howto to set up your build environment <jsgotangco> what do i do first? <Yagisan> jsgotangco: what is your arch ? <jsgotangco> 386 <Yagisan> jsgotangco: do pbuilder first to set up a build environment <Yagisan> jsgotangco: do you have apt-cacher set up ? <jsgotangco> hmm nope <Yagisan> jsgotangco: If you don't have a fat pipe, then we should set one up first, then pbuilder <jsgotangco> should i chnage all references of breezy to dapper? <Yagisan> jsgotangco: ping me if you need help with apt-cacher. yes you can change breezy to dapper, or hoary for that matter <jsgotangco> Yagisan, got spare time now? <Yagisan> jsgotangco: some <Yagisan> jsgotangco: I installed apt-cacher on my firewall box <jsgotangco> ahh <jsgotangco> i always get perm denied on this line <jsgotangco> $ sudo echo APT33ec:265c:71fe:e26d:2682:4ec2:aaa1:99abGet33ec:265c:71fe:e26d:2682:4ec2:aaa1:99abllowUnauthenticated 1; > /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/apt.conf.d/allow-unauthenticated <Yagisan> odd. Try this sudo `echo APT33ec:265c:71fe:e26d:2682:4ec2:aaa1:99abGet33ec:265c:71fe:e26d:2682:4ec2:aaa1:99abllowUnauthenticated 1; > /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/apt.conf.d/allow-unauthenticated` <Yagisan> if not, I'll dcc you the file <jsgotangco> strange * Yagisan wishes percussive maintenance worked on stubborn packages <jsgotangco> nice shell <zakame> shell? <jsgotangco> metawire <jsgotangco> heh <zakame> ah :) <Gloubiboulga> slomo_, ping <slomo_> Gloubiboulga: pong <Gloubiboulga> salut pef <pef> Gloubiboulga: salut :) <Gloubiboulga> slomo_, hello. Still around ? <slomo_> sure <Gloubiboulga> do you have time to review my package slomo_ ? <slomo_> hmm, later... not now ;) <Gloubiboulga> np <pef> Gloubiboulga: url ? :) <Gloubiboulga> pef, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1294 merci <Gloubiboulga> :) <zakame> evening fellow MOTUs :) <zakame> cool, package.qa.debian.org already incorporates ubuntu patches from Keybuk :) <Gloubiboulga> zakame, hi <zakame> heya Gloubiboulga :) <Gloubiboulga> I have a little question for you zakame (and other MOTUs) <zakame> go ahead :) <Gloubiboulga> I'm working on a package, and the source dir contains a .bat and several backup files <Gloubiboulga> should I remove all this from the .orig.tar.gz ? <slomo_> no <slomo_> only when it makes the package harder or impossible <zakame> backup files as in .*~ and ^#.*# ? <Gloubiboulga> zakame, yep <Gloubiboulga> slomo_, ok. <Yagisan> Gloubiboulga: there are very few reasons you can remove something from an orig.tar.gz <zakame> Gloubiboulga: dpkg-source will clean them anyway on package build, so you don't have to touch them ;) <Yagisan> Gloubiboulga: just ignore the backup files <Gloubiboulga> ok, I'll ignore all this files :) <Gloubiboulga> thanks Masters <Yagisan> slomo_: could I bother you for a bit ? I'd like to dcc you a rules file, a build log & see if you can help me see what I stuffed up <slomo_> yes, sure... but i've to leave in ~30 minutes <Yagisan> thanks slomo_ <nomed> hi all <nomed> is there any xubntu devel here ? <nomed> *xubuntu* <nomed> i think some packages need some changes <Hieronymus> nomed: just file a bug? <nomed> Hieronymus, it's not a bug ... <nomed> but for ex .. should xfdesktop be a modular pkge ? <nomed> xfdesktop + xfce4-menu ? <nomed> or should ivman be modular ? <nomed> like ivman-kde + ivman-xfce + ivman ? <nomed> and so on .. <Hieronymus> nomed: no idea <zakame> nomed: perhaps posting something about that to ubuntu-devel ML would be better <zakame> brb MOTUs <siretart> nomed: janimo is your man for xfce. I think a post to our mailing list would be the best way to reach him <nomed> so for xubuntu ubuntu-motu list is fine ... <nomed> k <nomed> thanks <siretart> sure. <siretart> perhaps even ubuntu-devel <zakame> waah nufw has so many lintian errors, and I haven't even touched it :( <jinty> ajmitch: ping <Yagisan> jinty: it's almost 4am in new zealand, it'll be a while before you get a pong <jinty> Yagidan: thanks;) didn't realize <Yagisan> no worries mate <zakame> Unfrgiven: ping <zakame> (er prolly early morning too) <zakame> wb raphink :) <raphink> zakame: do you knwo of a way to recover data ? <raphink> I had instaled two chroots on this machine <zakame> raphink: recoving as in recovering deleted files? <Yagisan> that was quick <Yagisan> raphink: what sort of data do you need recovered ? <raphink> zakame: any idea? <raphink> Yagisan: read up <zakame> raphink: recoving as in recovering deleted files? <raphink> Yagisan: I just `rm -rf /var/sidchroot' forgetting my /home was mounted on it <raphink> zakame: yes <raphink> I lost most of my docs <raphink> i dont' really mind about my docs <Yagisan> raphink: oh dear - are you still using the box ? <raphink> but I lost my sister's docs aswell <raphink> and I'm pretty sure she didn't backup anything <zakame> raphink: well iirc one could do some debug2fs hacking, but that's bloody :/ <raphink> yes <zakame> it's basically a hit-or-miss approach <raphink> :s <raphink> I basically deleted 90% of my sister's docs and settings <zakame> WHOA <Yagisan> raphink: crap - thats not good. best chance you have of recovering data is to dd /dev/hda and pipe it somewhere, eg another box with netcat <zakame> and if it's in ext3... well, that's very hard :(( <Yagisan> then you need to run pyflag over the dd image to recover the data <raphink> yes it's ext3 <Yagisan> that's what I do at work, it's time consuming <raphink> will taht work if I boot from a live CD and run it? <Yagisan> but the less you use the box, the better your chances of recovering the data <Yagisan> raphink: pyflag IIRC is not in ubuntu :( <Yagisan> raphink: was /home a seperate partition ? <raphink> so I should just halt the system if I want to have a chance to recover? <raphink> Yagisan: yes <Yagisan> raphink: oh that's good news. do you have enough space on another partition to make an image of home ? <raphink> no <raphink> on another comp maybe <Yagisan> raphink: can you access that other comp with eg nfs or samba ? <raphink> it's not set <Yagisan> raphink: the less you write to /home the better your chance of recovering the data <raphink> yes <Yagisan> raphink: you can't log out, because you killed /home, you'll have a hard time logging in <raphink> I'll reboot with knoppix that'll be safer <raphink> I didn' tkill /home <raphink> I already rebooted since I removed the files :s <Yagisan> raphink: I'd set up that other box now, and dd your home partition to an image there <raphink> dd? <zakame> back <Yagisan> raphink: dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/mnt/savemyarse/home.img <zakame> disk duplicate/dump <Yagisan> change hda1 to what your partition was <raphink> yes <raphink> is <Yagisan> zakame: reminds me of work this. Did I mention I do data recovery ? <zakame> heya seth_k|lappy :) <zakame> Yagisan: w00t <jsgotangco> Yagisan, $$$ <seth_k|lappy> heya zakame :) how's tricks <Yagisan> If he was in sydney, he could drop the box off today <zakame> tricks? <Yagisan> anyway, if he doesn't get the dd done quickly, he'll have 0 chance of recovering his data <Kyral> Morning MOTU <zakame> hi Kyral :) <Yagisan> G'day Kyral <Yagisan> I'll be heading off to bed soon. zakame no other ideas on why my rules voodoo fails ? <zakame> Yagisan: is this package available somewhere so I could d-l and check? <zakame> (I'll be in bed rsn myself ;) <Yagisan> zakame: I'll put the current work in progress up in just a sec <Yagisan> just waiting on another build to see if that helps <seth_k|lappy> zakame, things, work, whatever :P <Yagisan> zakame: you'll need to add my private repo to your list if you want the extra amd64 build deps though <zakame> seth_k|lappy: ah :) well, here doing some edits for DebootstrapChroot <zakame> k <raphink> hi again <zakame> wb raphink :) <raphink> Yagisan, I'm on knoppix now <raphink> ty zakame <raphink> my /home is not mounted anymore <raphink> so there's no risk of altering it no more <raphink> now what shall I do? <raphink> ;s <Yagisan> raphink: caught me just before leaving for bed <raphink> huhu <raphink> Yagisan, see my pb is that my /home is far bigger than any other partition I have here <Yagisan> raphink: is the other box up and running, and accessible over the network ? <raphink> yes <Yagisan> raphink: I never work on the raw partition, only images - so I can't fuck up <raphink> mhm <Yagisan> raphink: can you mount a directory on the other box ? <raphink> well the /home I want to work on is 107.57GB, with 26.61GB currently used <raphink> I can do anything on the other box, over ssh <Yagisan> raphink: and you will need to search 107.57GB to find that 26.61GB of data <raphink> yes <raphink> the pb is that nowhere except on /home do I have more than 100GB of HD <raphink> the other box is less than 60GB <raphink> and this one's / is about 6GB <raphink> and i guess it wouldn't be a a good idea to play with LVM <raphink> that wouldn't help recovering <Yagisan> raphink: wish you were here, you could drop the box off at my office <raphink> :s <Yagisan> raphink: just a sec - I'll see if I can find a live recovery cd <raphink> hmm <raphink> doesnt knoppix have some tools for that? <Yagisan> raphink: you need a more specialised cd, I'm afraid <raphink> hmmm <raphink> I don't know how I'm going to burn a CD with no /home <raphink> ;) <raphink> well I can burn it on the other box ;) <Yagisan> raphink: don't worry, your not screwed yet - you may be when your sister finds out, but not yet <raphink> oh no worries I called her to tell her ;) <raphink> she said she'd like to recover her pics <raphink> but apart from that heh she just had to backup her stuff ;) <raphink> she said it herself so no I'm not screwed ;) <raphink> although I'd like to recover the data ;) <Yagisan> raphink: http://www.remote-exploit.org/index.php/Auditor_tools <zakame> gn8 all :) <raphink> gn8 zakame <Yagisan> that may help you - it has ext2 recovery <raphink> it's ext3 <Yagisan> zakame: night <Yagisan> raphink: ext3 == ext2 + journal (another file) <zakame> gn8 raphink , Yagisan :) <Yagisan> zakame: I have a link for you <Yagisan> zakame http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/voodoo_magic_here/ <zakame> got it ;) <jsgotangco> Yagisan, those chroot and pbuilder wiki pages are quite outdated btw, zakame was very helpful in updating them, i got them working already <jsgotangco> thanks for the help earlier <zakame> no problem :) <zakame> wb koke <Yagisan> jsgotangco: your welcome, sorry I couldn't be more helpful <raphink> 14106624 inodes scanned, 0 deleted files found <raphink> :( <Yagisan> raphink: oh dear, you need in-depth forensics to recover you data then <Yagisan> raphink: http://www.e-fense.com/helix/contents.php that should have pyflag on it, but you'll need to make an image of the data <Yagisan> raphink: need to go now, baby waking up <raphink> ok <raphink> unfortunately I don't have any HD that is large enough to make an image of the data <raphink> Yagisan, I give up on recovering... <raphink> but I'll set up a backup system here <Yagisan> raphink: for future perhaps sbackup would help ? <raphink> sbackup Yagisan ? <Yagisan> raphink: Its in universe - I use it for my home box. seems like a nice backup tool <raphink> I'm on KDE, so i'd like a qt tool better ;) <raphink> I was asked to package Keep a few hours ago <raphink> ;:) <raphink> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=32984 <raphink> this was kind of calling me it seems ;) <Yagisan> raphink: qt, gtk - I don't care as long as it does the job right. <raphink> Yagisan: actually, my idea is that there are two comps on this network, so I could backup comp 1 on comp 2 and vice versa <Yagisan> raphink: until gmailfs broke, I had a copy on gmailfs, one on dvd at home, and one on dvd offsite <raphink> hehe <raphink> I do care ;) <raphink> I think I'll be reviewing more in the next few days <raphink> since I can't package anymore, having deleted my private key from this comp <raphink> ;) <raphink> mhm <Yagisan> raphink: thats why I have at least 2 backups now <raphink> hehe <Yagisan> raphink: I also know the pain of losing /home. thats why my /home is now a 600GB RAID5 array <raphink> hehe <raphink> well heh <Lathiat> not raid6? :) <Yagisan> Lathiat: because I ran out of money at the shop, and ubuntu doesn't support my two remaining ide ports <Lathiat> could have been 400GB raid6 :) <Yagisan> Lathiat: in dapper I think my two remain ports will be supported, I'll try to go for an 800GB raid5 out of 5 200GB drives <Yagisan> It would be cool for a desktop box <Lathiat> depends if you want more space or more redundancy ig uess :) <Yagisan> Lathiat: If I toss the cd-rom, and get 3 drives, I can get raid6 <Yagisan> Lathiat: how much storage do you have on your box ? <Lathiat> i have 2 laptops, 60G and 40G :) <Lathiat> i do have a box here with 5x200G in raid1+0 + hotspare tho <Lathiat> sadly not mine :) <Lathiat> raid1+0 for reasons of seek performance <Lathiat> in that raid1+0 allows you to do two requests at once <Lathiat> as opposed to raid5 where each hit read or write hits all disks <Lathiat> where as reads only hit 2/4 <Lathiat> with 1+0 <Yagisan> Lathiat: yeah, but I have an uneven number of disks, so raid 5 was the only (decent) choice <Lathiat> right, and common <Lathiat> does raid6 need an even number of drives? <Yagisan> Lathiat: 4 minimum <Yagisan> but same speed penalty as raid5 <Lathiat> with 4 drives raid6 is basically pointless, may as well raid1+0 ? <Lathiat> actually, i suppose that raid6 lets two disks die <Lathiat> with raid1+0, it depends which disks <Yagisan> reading seems rather good with in-kernel raid5, writes hammer the pci bus though <Lathiat> if two fo the wrong disks die then yoru fooked <Lathiat> Yagisan: this box here has a pci-x sata card <Lathiat> sata_sil24 driver <Lathiat> i can pull 60M/s off 4 disks at once <Lathiat> 5th disk didnt get any faster tho <Lathiat> not sure where the limitation in that is <Yagisan> Lathiat: well, the I in raid is inexpensive, that's why we have backups, and backups of backups, and we test them too <Lathiat> ;) <Lathiat> anyway <Lathiat> -> bed <Lathiat> night :) <Yagisan> Lathiat: I have standard 32bit 33Mhz pci bus here <Yagisan> night, wow 4am already <Lathiat> Yagisan: yeh thatd suck a bit, this box is dual opteron :) <Lathiat> Wed Dec 28 01:13:48 WST 2005 <Yagisan> Lathiat: single amd64 here <Lathiat> Yagisan: linux swraid kicks ass tho <Lathiat> leaving comment.. honest ;) <Yagisan> Lathiat: I was impressed, it beat pci raid cards <Lathiat> i know freebsd die-hards who use linux because its software raid craps all over freebsds, and in many cases outperforms hardware cards <Lathiat> also has the advantage of being usable over multiple controllers and even interface types, and not the need to replace the card with the same card <Lathiat> e.g. if your raid card dies, and you dont get the exact same or similar card, you lose all your data <Yagisan> :) yep * Yagisan already uses two desperate interfaces, SATA, and PATA * Lathiat nod <Lathiat> s <Lathiat> anyway, enjoy. night. <raptoid> yes can <Yagisan> hmm, I make nice typos <\sh> ogra: ping works? <ogra> didnt try yet <ogra> i was waiting for your ok <\sh> new wine is coming today <\sh> for dapper :) <\sh> moins siretart <siretart> huhu \sh <steve132> hey, um I am a bit lost... I would like to help motu with a particular package, but I do not know where to start. <Yagisan> for all those interested, initial upload of my ia32-libs-universe work-in-progress is here http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1318 * Yagisan heads back to bed <slomo> gn8 Yagisan :) <JohnnyMast> any motu around ? * netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> zelazny.freenode.net <crimsun> JohnnyMast: ? <cmatheson> hey guys, been using ubuntu for the past seven months or so and i want to get involved now. what needs doing? <crimsun> see the merge list <crimsun> (topic) <JohnnyMast> crimsun sorry for the late reply. But i have a package on revu but there is a new version out then the one im packing. When i put a new version up with the new app version inside would it be bad ? <tseng> no <crimsun> JohnnyMast: no, just make sure to ask one of the REVU admins to remove the older <JohnnyMast> is one around ? <crimsun> JohnnyMast: ask ajmitch, siretart, or \sh about removing the older version from REVU <JohnnyMast> thanks for the info lads <JohnnyMast> okey <cmatheson> crimsun: anyone can merge stuff? <crimsun> cmatheson: yes <crimsun> (granted only those of us with upload privs can upload them) <cmatheson> crimsun: ok cool <cmatheson> generally what is involved in a merge (aside from re-compiling?) <crimsun> generally you pick a merge, use the lp.py scripts to do the launchpad magic, attach a confirmed-working debdiff against the newer debian version, and ping a MOTU <cmatheson> crimsun: ok, i'm gonna look into that thanks <crimsun> Starting with the REPORT, you should check if the newer debian packaging has incorporated ubuntu's changes. If so, you can mark the package as a sync, otherwise you'll have to inspect the -dropped diff and hand-merge. <cmatheson> crimsun: the REPORT is something that the MOTU gives back to me or what is that? <crimsun> cmatheson: no, it's in the MoM directory <crimsun> Each active link (merge) on http://tiber.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/index.py?state=new is into the associated MoM directory <cmatheson> oooh, ok, i think i gotta lot of stuff to read right now <cmatheson> so let me make sure i have this right... i can choose any of the UNASSIGNED packages on http://tiber.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/index.py?state=new and work on those, assumign i file the correct but report. after i make a debdiff i talk to someone in here about it (and i mark the bug 'pending upload') <crimsun> cmatheson: essentially, yes. <Kyral> Oh fun <Kyral> I get to compare a Gentoo list against Apt <\sh> what? <\sh> what will you compare? apple and cherries? <Kyral> no <Kyral> I was given the World file from our old build and told to check it against Apt to see what is there and what isn't <Kyral> and its complicated by the difference categories <\sh> don't think about the cats :) <Kyral> yah well <Kyral> for emacs its "app-emacs/session" <Kyral> I saw an entry for "kde-base/kde-env" <\sh> yes... <\sh> because gentoo has a different package scheme <Kyral> I see KDE-Base anything I'm gonna assume its under Kubuntu-Desktop <\sh> no <Kyral> \sh: I know I used Gentoo before Ubuntu <\sh> kdebase in gentoo is a meta build <Kyral> then what is kde-env? <\sh> check /etc/env.d/ * Kyral sighs <\sh> if you emerge different versions of kde then you have different kde environments <Kyral> I'm gonna have to got through the descriptions of these oy <\sh> sure :) <Kyral> I half a mind to make a shell script to do the first pass <Kyral> Maybe I shouldn't be doing this on Dapper... #ubuntu-motu 2006-01-02 <\sh> hehe :) <Kyral> and I am hating this... <Kyral> on the upshot <Kyral> I'nm getting a lot of things to package for Ubuntu :P <Kyral> assuming valid licenses of course <selinium_> Sorry guys for pestering you in here, but I have had some php updates waiting to install for a couple of days but the change log isn't showing anything. As far as I can see there are no strange repos in my sources. Any ideas? Or has someone not done the change log yet? <\sh> ??????? <selinium> \sh sorry, I was getting a little frustrated. I'll leave you guys to it. :) <\sh> selinium: i don't get your question? if there are updates, they should be installed...try apt-get -f install <\sh> selinium: but your question is nothing for -motu..more #ubuntu <selinium> \sh I dont install the updates unless I can see what they are doing, As the update log isn't displaying what changes have been made I thought It was sourced from a motu coder maybe not doing something.... if you see what I mean? <selinium> \sh I get in the details section 'Changes not found, the server may not be updated yet.' <\sh> selinium: yeah...it's something from server side...not motu side....ask elmo about the status...if it's dapper, then no wonder..read dapper-changes for changelogs :) <selinium> \sh Anyway I'll take it to #ubuntu. Sorry for disturbing the channel. <\sh> selinium: no..it's a server problem <selinium> \sh It is breezy, I still need to get round to doing the dapper thing! :) <\sh> selinium: for this James Troup is the right person...(aka elmo) <selinium> \sh OK cheers for the pointer! THankyou for your time! :) <crimsun> \sh: looks like you're holding down the merge fort <Kyral> lol <\sh> what? <crimsun> \sh: you're doing most of the merge work :) <Kyral> lol <\sh> ah come on...you are doing as well a lot :) <crimsun> everytime I refresh state=new, a few more have disappeared <\sh> and actually I was lazy in the last couple of weeks :) <crimsun> you're feeling better, I hope? <\sh> crimsun: my body is feeling better...my bankaccount not :) fighting with some job applications..but this month...there will be nothing anymore...so I need a new job at least in january <crimsun> \sh: ah, good luck with the search * Kyral wonders if he should focus on gaining MOTUShip in this release cycle <crimsun> sure, put in some more merge and motuscience work <Kyral> I WOULD put in MOTUScience if EasyChem would get advocated one more time...oy <Kyral> sorry lol <Kyral> hacked a lot for a school project today and was under stress <crimsun> I need to recover my REVU pass <crimsun> (which means I need to upload something) <Kyral> lol <\sh> crimsun: why? <\sh> enter your email address without the password <\sh> and press recover <\sh> (after the failed login :)) <Kyral> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1257 if anyone is interested <crimsun> \sh: ah, ok. Thanks. <crimsun> hmm, not sure where I'm supposed to paste anything <\sh> on the console :) <\sh> gpg -d <<EOF <\sh> then paste the stuff <\sh> EOF <\sh> voila your password :) <crimsun> yeah, -EPARSE on my part. Thanks. <Kyral> lol <Burgundavia> tseng, you can nuke https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/DellInspiron6000 and move https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/DellInspiron6000-2 into its place4 <crimsun> whoops, I made REVU explode <Kyral> lol <Kyral> I hope he's kidding.... <crimsun> well, I don't think all of REVU's dead, but it certainly gives me a traceback when I attempt to recover my passwd <\sh> hmmm...ajmitch has a lot of open merges <crimsun> yeah, he mentioned being on vacation til the new year <\sh> we need to get those packages in ....it's quite a lot <\sh> ok....stopping for now...need to wait for another package anyways <\sh> cu later this day <Kyral> cya <crimsun> cya \sh_away <crimsun> back later, need dinner. <Kyral> Night all <crimsun> 'night <zakame> afternoon MOTUs and MOTU hopefuls :D <crimsun> hi zak :) <jsgotangco> don't forget the slackers! <crimsun> hehe <zakame> afternoon slackers :D <jsgotangco> who are you calling a slacker :P <zakame> is elmo around now? <crimsun> zakame: I doubt it; he's probably still on holiday <crimsun> I've just been queueing sync requests to his away log <crimsun> ;) <zakame> ah :) <jsgotangco> heh <jsgotangco> you can try on the 9th to be sure hehe <tseng> Burglaptop: sorry, why am i nuking someone elses laptop page? <jsgotangco> hey tseng how's the holidays? <tseng> good, you? <jsgotangco> pretty good just idling around * #ubuntu-motu [freenode-info] If you're at a conference, please contact freenode staff to make sure we've made special allowance for many users coming into our network from a single internet address ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp ). 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Thanks! * Yagisan sighs <Yagisan> anyone who was going to test ia32-libs-universe please hold off a while, I've just discovered it conflicts with ia32-libs-gtk <Lathiat> what is actually in ia32-libs-universe? <Yagisan> Lathiat: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1318 <Yagisan> Lathiat: at the moment sdl stuff + libpng <Mithrandir> whose idea is ia32-libs-universe, even? <Yagisan> png was a conflict <Yagisan> me - I want my apps to work before multiarch is done <Mithrandir> Yagisan: I hope you're taking responsibility for security uploads and such too? <Yagisan> Mithrandir: as it cheats the exact same way OOo does, when the fix hits i386, all someone needs to do is sponser my package <Yagisan> Mithrandir: as it is, it's on revu - if it's not liked, it won't get in <Mithrandir> Yagisan: I can't say I like the idea of something like that which is a pita to update is not maintained by a motu.. <Mithrandir> (not that I like the idea at all, if we want to do something like this, I know of some less-bad solutions) <Yagisan> Mithrandir: well, if it's good, and I don't stuff up, it may allow me to become a motu ... <Yagisan> Mithrandir: let me get my proof of concept working, and if it's liked we'll proceed <Yagisan> Mithrandir: if not, it will die in revu <Yagisan> at any rate, it is great for teaching rules voodoo ;) <Mithrandir> heh <Mithrandir> it's not a very hard package, imo <Yagisan> it no, but I did try to get 32bit apps building on amd64. that didn't go down to well <Yagisan> but I love the huge ifeq "$(DEBIAN_ARCH)" "amd64" sections I get to add to my test subjects rules files <linlin> would someone be so kind as to add DRFTPD to the list of things to add to ubuntu repos? i think that would be swell <Yagisan> ? what is DRFTPD ? <linlin> distributed file transfer protocal daemon <linlin> its really a rather amazing system <Yagisan> Mithrandir: you said you could think of an alternative to ia32-libs-universe. What do you propose ? <Mithrandir> Yagisan: basically an apt wrapper which downloads and munges debs and then just installs the stuff in lib. <Yagisan> Mithrandir: I do that for my test patches to try and get eg zsnes to make an amd64 deb, but it doesn't help for non-deb apps <Yagisan> Mithrandir: that's why I thought it would be useful to make a package with 32bit versions of the libs for things that just can't be built native <Tonio_> hi <SloMoSnail> good morning everybody <Gloubiboulga> hi slomo <Kyral> morning MOTU <Gloubiboulga> hi Kyral <Kyral> ah I love fscking my drives <Tonio_> hi everyone <Tonio_> what would you do with an application hosted on sourceforge <Tonio_> but whose authors are unknown ? <Tonio_> impossible to package it ? <Gloubiboulga> Main packages are not supposed to be *very* clean ? <Kyral> All packages are supposed to be VERY clean :D <Gloubiboulga> sure :) <Gloubiboulga> libXft2 is horrible <Yagisan> Tonio_: define unknown ? as in not a real name ? <Tonio_> Yagisan: there is no information about the author, neither on the website, nore in the sources.... <Tonio_> but the application is maintained, required as a dependancie bymany others, and it is officially hosted on sourceforge <Tonio_> means it is not a kind of underground stuff.... <Tonio_> dunno what o do exactly.... <slomo> hmm, i would package it <Yagisan> Tonio_: link please <Tonio_> Yagisan: http://vamps.sourceforge.net <Tonio_> it is required by many dvd manupation programs, like k9copy for example <Yagisan> Tonio_: vamps is ok - there is a thread on debian mentors - someone else is also packaging it <Yagisan> Tonio_: just a sec, I'll see if I can find you a link <Tonio_> Yagisan: I have seen the debian package <Tonio_> the problem is that it might not be in debian sid before many month.... <Tonio_> I just would like to provide a package to package k9copy in fact <Tonio_> fact <Tonio_> but if you have a link about that author information and what to do, I'd be pleased ;) <Yagisan> Tonio_: I thought that applicant had finished his package, thought you could perhaps use it <Tonio_> hum <Tonio_> porting the application to ubuntu ? <Tonio_> Yagisan: porting the package I mean ? <Yagisan> Tonio_: package is here http://www.knio.it/debian/vamps/ <raphink> anybody knows a way to allow a user in particular to mount and umount a partition in particular? <Tonio_> Yagisan: already have it... <Tonio_> so Ican make an ubuntu port and that should be okay for REVU, nice ;) <Yagisan> Tonio_: K - btw - here is the thread I was looking for http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2005/12/msg00309.html * Yagisan curses his dialup speeds <Tonio_> thanks Yagisan <raphink> huhu <raphink> sudo powa :) <Tonio_> Note the *should*. Not a must. Read this as "it would be nice if you <Tonio_> name the original author, but if you can't it's okay, too". <Tonio_> good :) hehehe <Tonio_> let's go ! <Yagisan> I've just gotten zsnes to work on amd64 with my ia32-libs-universe package, as a result it depends on that package for amd64. <Yagisan> should I up zsnes to revu, or send a patch to launchpad ? <lamont> dear motus, ghc6 fails to uninstall properly. fix that pls. * tseng pokes \sh_away <Knightea> Hi , I am wondering where is the development channel to discuss Ubuntu laptop strategy and development ? tried Ubuntu-laptop dont seem to be the right channel is this one better ;-) <Yagisan> G'day jsgotangco <jsgotangco> Yagisan, hi there =) <Yagisan> jsgotangco: just got my first i386 only package running on amd64 :) <jsgotangco> whoa <jsgotangco> youre fast dude <jsgotangco> i have yet to recover from holiday slack =) <Mez> jsgotangco, I'm sure Yagisan doesnt want to be told he's fast ;) <jsgotangco> lol <jsgotangco> Yagisan, congratulations for graduating from MOTU Slackers <Yagisan> wOOt - super slacker!!! <Yagisan> I must admit, I cheat to do it <Yagisan> I suck down and repackage the i386 deb if I detect I'm building on amd64 :) <jsgotangco> i should test this out this weekend <Yagisan> jsgotangco: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1327 ia32-libs-universe <slomo> Yagisan: how can this work? you always have a version lower than the current one for amd64 <jsgotangco> Yagisan, :P <Yagisan> slomo: it would require some forethought on when to build the package for amd64 <slomo> Yagisan: ok, so it's another source package ;) <Yagisan> slomo: I'll up my zsnes test case to revu in a moment. It's not a new source package, rather a modification to rules + support scripts <Yagisan> slomo: around ? <slomo> yes <Yagisan> slomo: my first test subject is here http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1328 <Kyral> slomo: ping pong ping <slomo> Yagisan: i have no amd64 ;) <slomo> Kyral: pong ping pong ;P <Kyral> lol <Yagisan> slomo: You can point out if I did really dumb things in my rules though ;) <Kyral> slomo: can you give EasyChem your vote again? I reuploaded after elmo activated my @ubuntu.com redirect <slomo> later... my phone rings ;) brb <Kyral> kk <Kyral> hey koke <siretart> Yagisan: I don't think you can expect that the buildds do have free internet connection <siretart> Yagisan: I see that your ia32libs-universe package is downloading the libs at build time. I don't think that this is okay <Yagisan> siretart: I don't - but I don't know their apt-cacher ip <Yagisan> siretart: I was inspired by OOo which does the same sort of thing <siretart> Yagisan: it does make the buildds download stuff at build time?! <Yagisan> siretart: oh yes - I pinched their download script <Yagisan> siretart: thank you for looking at my package. feel free to edit sources.list.txt to point to your local apt-cacher or similar setup <siretart> Yagisan: thats no problem, I have to investigate if it is okay to expect the buildds to have a free internet connection <Yagisan> siretart: If they have apt-cacher or similar setup (or are on the same internal network) it would be good to know, so I can set sources appropriately <Yagisan> siretart: eg zsnes - it now does the download thing too <siretart> Yagisan: I think you would have to include copies of the source packages in the orig.tar.gz, but I'll have to investigate that in the existing ia32 packages <siretart> Mithrandir: around? <siretart> perhaps he could help us in this manner <Mithrandir> siretart: yes? <siretart> Mithrandir: Yagisan has prepared a ia32libs-universe package shipping 32bit libsdl for amd64 <Mithrandir> Yagisan: you can't assume an internet connection in debian/rules <siretart> ah, you already read it <Mithrandir> Yagisan: you can assume a same-arch mirror, based on what's in /etc/apt/sources.list <Mithrandir> Yagisan: and you _need_ to ship both the sources and the compiled debs in the source tarball. <siretart> ah, ok. then I remembered correctly <Yagisan> Mithrandir: I see - OOo has the same bug then <Mithrandir> Yagisan: no, it doesn't. <Yagisan> Mithrandir: I'm looking at the OOo rules here. I see it downloading <Yagisan> Mithrandir: that's why I thought I could apply the same idea <Mithrandir> Yagisan: no, it doesn't. <Mithrandir> build: <Mithrandir> # ./fetch-and-build <Mithrandir> that's commented out <Mithrandir> but, I'm off <Yagisan> crap - there goes that idea down the toilet. <Yagisan> that does make it rather hard to grab the i386 deb for an amd64 deb, if the i386 deb hasn't been built, and I can't assume net access. <Yagisan> siretart: I suppose http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1328 that can be deleted. I can't think of any other way to do it (or the other packages), that doesn't require an internet connection. <Yagisan> I'll make another upload of the ia32-libs-universe pack, in Jan - when I have the bandwidth to download the debs needed <Yagisan> although, if I can't use it for i386 debs, only proprietary apps, I'll lose interest in it <siretart> Yagisan: don't be that frustrated <siretart> Yagisan: there is already a ia32-libs package <siretart> Yagisan: and they solve the problem by shipping sources and binaries with it <Yagisan> siretart: :( looking at zsnes (picked because I could download it on my dialup speed connection) <Yagisan> siretart: I, at this moment, can't think of a way to use the same package to generate both amd64 and i386 versions <Yagisan> siretart: I possibly could make a 64bit only package, but that adds extra administration work <siretart> Yagisan: I quite don't get your problem <siretart> Yagisan: afair zsnes includes 32bit assembly, no? <Yagisan> siretart: yes it does, in fact those sorts of apps were my main target <siretart> so on amd64, you would have to compile it with -m32 to get a 32bit binary on amd64 if I'm not mistaken. <siretart> the thing is, you would need all libraries in 32bit you link to <Yagisan> siretart: I spent a long time on that - and it doesn't work like that <siretart> so what do you propose? <JohnnyMast> siretart could you delete a revu package for me ?. I packed a to old version of an application by mistake it would take to much patching <siretart> JohnnyMast: which one? <JohnnyMast> kryptor <siretart> Yagisan: I'd suggest talking to the debian maintainer and/or upstream and work with him/them on a solution. perhaps he has an idea <Yagisan> siretart: when I was trying the -m32 builds, I ended up doing ldflags magic, and packaging -dev files, but inevitably some lib somewhere would try to link against the 64bit instead of 32bit version <siretart> JohnnyMast: nuke or archiving? <JohnnyMast> nuke it delete it <JohnnyMast> so i can pack the new version and upload it cleanly else the diffs would go huge <siretart> JohnnyMast: done <Yagisan> siretart: I also ran into issues of 32bit dev headers having collisions with standard files installed into a pbuilder <siretart> Yagisan: you cannot install 32bit -dev packages in a 64bit system <siretart> Yagisan: this will be possible with multiarch, Mithrandir is working on it. but today, this is not possible <Yagisan> siretart: so I went for the network bandwidth trade off <JohnnyMast> siretart thanks your great <Yagisan> yes, I know I'm greatly annoying <siretart> Yagisan: no you are not. I'm happy that someone works on it <siretart> lets try if your ia32-libs-universe package works for me <siretart> juhuu! <siretart> Yagisan: with your package I can finally play quake4 without chroot! :) <Yagisan> :-D <Surak> hello <Yagisan> my goal was to make every i386 only app, into i386 amd64 <siretart> Yagisan: so I'm definitly for a ia32-bit-sdl package (thats how I would call it). there is already a ia32-libs-gtk package, If I'm not mistaken <Surak> Is there someone to talk about a bug I found in sl-modem-source package? <Yagisan> siretart: I started with sdl, as that's all I needed for test 1, zsnes <siretart> Yagisan: your goal should be multiarch, which solves that problem <siretart> Surak: which malone bug no? <Surak> Before I post the bug, I would like to talk with the motu responsible for it. <Yagisan> siretart: I was planning on adding libs for mplayer32, and wine, and any other apps that are important enough <Yagisan> siretart: I'd like to see multi-arch, but that won't happen until after dapper <siretart> Surak: all motus are responsible for it (or no one, which you prefer) <Yagisan> siretart: and I wanted amd64 to be much better for dapper <Yagisan> siretart: not the poor cousin it is now <siretart> Yagisan: I understand you. you should work together with tollef, he is doing a lot of in this area. I think you are on a good way, but we cannot change the rules on the buildds <Surak> siretart: the problem is that a specific device (one of the several supported by that source) will segfault with ubuntu/debian packages, linmodems.technion's archive, as well
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