#ubuntu-design 2012-07-05
<cfoch> hello
<cfoch> I want to crontribute
<cfoch> how can I start?
#ubuntu-design 2012-07-12
<mpt> Just completed: Design for LUKS disk encryption in the Ubuntu installer. <http://goo.gl/91qR7>
<mpt> Just completed: Redesign of debconf progress presentation <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker#debconf-progress> and what happens when you try to close a window in a hung application <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker#close-hang>.
#ubuntu-design 2013-07-01
 * snwh is back (gone 00:22:35)
#ubuntu-design 2013-07-04
<snwh> did mpt solve the sound menu?
<mpt> snwh, as it transpired, the answer was not 42. It was 42.3.
<xnox> mpt: they only had time to run an integer precision simulation..... the floating point version was too expensive to construct at the time.
<xnox> anyway.... =)
#ubuntu-design 2013-07-10
<mpt> Ergh, I suck at sketching the Ubuntu shape. :-)
#ubuntu-design 2013-07-12
<mpt> katie, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StatusBar
<katie> mpt, thanks , that's exactly what I was after
<katie> mpt, love the tortoise
<mpt> :-)
<xnox> mpt: turtle is "G+" for GPRS connectivity, without EDGE extensions.
<mpt> xnox, I don't understand what you mean by "is"
<xnox> mpt: oh, sorry, i jumped a step: i am looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Networking#phone-indicator
<xnox> (clearly somebody should invent eye-follow-focus-over-irc)
<mpt> xnox, sure, I understand the context
<xnox> "a tortoise (or something else?) if it is slower than EDGE" is GPRS usually denoted with "G+"
#ubuntu-design 2013-07-15
<sladen> jnick_tait: *poke*
#ubuntu-design 2013-07-18
<mpt> katie, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Networking#phone-indicator
<mpt> Posted sketches of the ongoing time- and date-picker design process: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeAndDatePickers#process
#ubuntu-design 2013-07-19
<mpt> Since it's Friday, I just posted a design for something random: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/145350818/config-change.png
#ubuntu-design 2013-07-22
<ixxvil> anyone awae
<katie> mpt - document about sim related ui
<katie> mpt https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1FyQXYlVoGJxIVAr_2ofvZl0au1F1Xv2ek5zydr2ziaM/edit#
<mpt> ta
#ubuntu-design 2013-07-23
<mpt> katie, I think part of the reason I keep trying to tap the infographic is that it has exactly the same inset style as Dash items
<mpt> like the "Running apps" shapes or the "Friends" app
<xnox> mpt: btw. I think we will be mandating: volume up, down, and a button (which is kind of power on/off/lock button). Those three buttons are needed to run recovery mode of the phone to flash/factory reset it.
#ubuntu-design 2013-07-25
<mpt> Just posted draft design for SIM PIN settings. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityAndPrivacySettings#SIM_PIN
#ubuntu-design 2013-07-30
<snwh> mpt, what was the submission?
<mpt> snwh, http://imgur.com/BNnkzQu
<snwh> blank lol
<snwh> also: minimize, maximize, title, then close all the way on the right? how odd.
<mpt> The window was open for a couple of days until I finally used xkill from a terminal this morning
<snwh> mpt, you like the window buttons that way?
<mpt> snwh, yes
<snwh> interestign
<mpt> It maintains consistency of position between windows that have minimize only (dialogs), those that have minimize and close only (non-resizable), and those that have all three.
<mpt> And it's consistent with the quick tab closing explained in <http://www.theinvisibl.com/2009/12/08/chrometabs/>.
<snwh> ahhh okay
<snwh> mpt, what was the inconsistency?
<snwh> i'm failing to think of an example
<mpt> snwh, for example, launch Software Updater. It starts out with only a Minimize button (because it's a progress window), and later gets the other two. If Minimize is not in a corner, it moves when the other two appear.
<snwh> hmm mine launched with x and _ , but i see your point
#ubuntu-design 2014-07-24
<mhall119> gventuri: coming to the hangout?
#ubuntu-design 2014-07-30
<gventuri> nik90: I've updated the spec with vibrate settings
<nik90> gventuri: ah thnx
<nik90> gventuri: there was one more question I had , but I will update the design query doc tonight
<gventuri> nik90: I've decided against having the vibration settings per alarm, it's a global setting
<nik90> ok
<gventuri> nik90: what's about?
<nik90> gventuri: about adding custom cities for the world clock
<nik90> gventuri: in the spec, you wanted me to add a dialog where the user can enter a custom city name and choose the timezone.
<gventuri> nik90: cool
<gventuri> nik90: yp
<nik90> gventuri: I wonder wouldn't it be better to search online when the city is not found in the local list we provide
<nik90> gventuri: that's the behaviour we have in the old clock app
<gventuri> nik90: let me check
<gventuri> nik90: are you using an API? how does it work?
<nik90> gventuri: yeha we are using an API which returns the timezoneID of the city the user searches for
<nik90> gventuri: the time calculation is all done locally
<gventuri> nik90: that's beautiful
<nik90> gventuri: this is also the same API that the Ubuntu Installer on the desktop uses
<nik90> so it is reliable
<gventuri> maybe we could add visual feedback when searching online
<gventuri> thank you for pointing it out
<nik90> exactly
<nik90> yw
<gventuri> nik90: I'll give it some thought, you can ignore that screen then. I'll update the spec
<nik90> gventuri: ok. I will until then implement other stuff like the fast scroll, swipe delete etc.
<nik90> gventuri: btw how do you like the update?
<gventuri> nik90: have you got visuals for swipe to delete?
<nik90> gventuri: no, but michal told me to implement the same as the one the address book uses
<nik90> gventuri: sry, actually I got the visual spec
<nik90> gventuri: I will be taking the work from the address book app to main consistency for Fast Scroll, Swipe Delete, Multiselect (alarm list)
<gventuri> nik90: actually have a look at the messaging app
<gventuri> they have a custom implementaion of swipe to delete
 * nik90 looks
<nik90> gventuri: did they release it?
<nik90> gventuri: I am on the latest image and the swipe delete looks similar to what we already have in the clock app. The design spec shows a red variant
<gventuri> nik90: sorry forget it. Telephony is the right one
<gventuri> just spoke to mehow
<nik90> yeah I will be borrrowing that from them
<gventuri> cool
<gventuri> nik90: there's a lag when you release 'Add city', until when you see the screen
<gventuri> maybe we could preload the screen so the rendering is instantaneous
<nik90> gventuri: yeah it is taking too long to read the list of cities we provide. I am currently investigating on how to improve it.
<nik90> gventuri: on the laptop it takes only 0.7 secs, while on the phone it is about 4.7 secs
<nik90> gventuri: but we will fix that for sure
<gventuri> nik90: ok
<nik90> gventuri: on more question. In the Phone spec at https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1JvDyhsW17d1-Mz8OY1YMBKwfRI2z9qgyRjbujEsxEMk/edit#slide=id.g18895458d_00, we now show a snap decision. However as I told you Snooze will not be ready for RTM. So what buttons would like to be shown there?
<gventuri> nik90: that's great. Let me know when you want me to start reviewing it
<gventuri> aha
<nik90> gventuri: at the moment, we show "Dismiss" and "Show" which both does the same thing
<gventuri> nik90: yeah it's a known problem
<nik90> the snap decision takes a minimum of 2 actions. If we want only one of them to be shown, then we have to use a interactive notification similar to when receiving a sms.
<gventuri> nik90: exactly
<gventuri> nik90: we might watn to use a interactive notificaiton with a third line 'Tap to dismiss'
<nik90> yeah that makes sense.
<gventuri> that would temporarily solve the issue
<gventuri> nik90: why can't we have snooze? I can't remember
<nik90> so do we go with that solution for RTM?
<gventuri> nik90: ah, it's because there are no backgroudn apps right
<gventuri> nik90: app lifecycle
<nik90> snooze requires implementation in the Ubuntu SDK and unfortunately the SDK devs are too busy with other stuff. So I was told it won't be ready for RTM
<gventuri> nik90: ok
<nik90> well the datetime indicator (phone service) is the one which rings the alarm, so app lifecycle shouldn't be an issue.
<gventuri> teporarily I would use the interactive notification. It's not great but it's better than having 2 actions leading to the same place
<nik90> ok
<gventuri> I'll update the spec
 * nik90 creates a bug report to track all of this
<nik90> thnx
<gventuri> nik90: Let me know when you want me to start reviewing the app
<nik90> gventuri: If you want, you can start doing a quick light review. TBH about 90% of the functionality has been improved.
<nik90> gventuri: s/improved/implemented
<nik90> the only thing missing are the custom world city, swipe delete, multiselect and fast scroll. I will notify you when that batch of features is implemented.
<gventuri> nik90: cool
<gventuri> nik90: updated
<gventuri> nik90: let me know if you need something else
<gventuri> I'm off for today
<nik90> gventuri: thnx. Will do
<nik90> bye
#ubuntu-design 2014-07-31
<jounih> hello
#ubuntu-design 2015-07-20
<mpt> kemmko, a three-column window I designed a few years ago: https://bug619866.bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=183091
<kemmko> and it has a bottom edge!
<kemmko> mpt:  see above, and thanks
<kemmko> mpt:  I am not that worried about design but more about the behaviour of each panel especially if the app goes from phone/tablet to desktop environment
<mpt> kemmko, I think weâve discussed this before â¦ Generally panes are replaced by hierarchy. For example Mail is three-pane on a Mac, two-pane on an iPad, one-pane on an iPhone.
<mpt> Replaced by hierarchy as the screen gets smaller, I mean.
<kemmko> mpt:  here is the thing, in many cases we don not need as three panel layout
<kemmko> mpt:  at least for our convergent apps, it works just fine with the 2 panel for tablet/desktop
<mpt> kemmko, well, sure, you donât *need* it, you could just use hierarchy regardless of screen size. But thereâs a reason mail clients usually arenât one- or even two-pane on a desktop: itâs annoying.
<mpt> Specifically it slows navigation and scanning of adjacent/new items.
<kemmko> mpt:  actually many are in a two panel mode
<mpt> kemmko, especially back in the 1990s when the standard display size was 800*600, two-pane was more common or a more prominent option. <http://www-archive.mozilla.org/mailnews/specs/threepane/images/Mail2.gif>
<mpt> (You can still configure Thunderbird to do that now, it just takes more work.)
<kemmko> mpt:  this panels are staked one on top of each other, I am talking about the ones next to each other
<mpt> kemmko, ok, so when you said two panel mode, you meant three panes in two columns? Yes, thatâs still common (I use it), but three-column is increasingly common because average PC screen size+resolution is still increasing. If the screen is large enough for three columns, doing that lets you see more of a message, therefore reduces the probability that you need to scroll to read a message.
<kemmko> mpt:  I never talked about "panes" always about panels and those are columns
<mpt> kemmko, sorry, Iâm not familiar with the difference between a pane and a panel :-)
<kemmko> mpt:  np
<kemmko> mpt:  at the moment I am looking into default behaviour for two panels/columns for desktopâ¦
<kemmko> mpt:  a 3 panel/column one will come be defined at a later point, we didn't have the time to look into that so far
<mpt> ok
#ubuntu-design 2016-07-06
<sladen> jamiey: mpt: is Marcus in today?  If so could you give a gentle T-5 hour poke
<mpt> sladen, done
<jamiey> sladen done :-)
<sladen> JMulholland: davidcalle: is Marcus in today?  If so could you give a gentle T-4 hour poke
<sladen> snap
<sladen> (delay from tunnel)
<JMulholland> hi sladen, yes marcush is in today
<JMulholland> just spoke to him for you, heâll be ready and waiting :-)
<sladen> wunderbar, Danke fuer alles
<JMulholland> Sie sind willkommen , mein VergnÃ¼gen
<JMulholland> (If thatâs incorrect, blame google translate ;-) )
<sladen> davidcalle: call time!
<sladen> mpt: JMulholland: jamiey: are you able to see from where you are if Marcus/ davidcalle are around?
<davidcalle> sladen: fwiw, I'm not sure I'm the david you are looking for :)
<jamiey> sladen I can see Marcus in a meeting roomâ¦Â 
<jamiey> sladen he might be calling you? :)
<sladen> jamiey: ta.  I'm just getting "Waiting to join the video call"
<sladen> davidcalle: ah, yes, my overly hopefully tab completion
<jamiey> sladen he's trying to call you
<sladen> JohnLea____: is there a chance that you're still the admin(?) of this call?
#ubuntu-design 2016-07-13
<sladen> jamiey: JMulholland: mpt: could you give Marcus a T-1 hour poke if he's in the office (and any of you are)
<JMulholland> sladen: sure
<jamiey> sladen Will do :)
<sladen> jamiey: jamiey: mpt: could you ask Marcus to try clicking the icon in the top-right, accept the external guests into the call
<jamiey> Sure, I just need to find himâ¦Â 
<jamiey> sladen all done, I think you're in :-)
<sladen> jamiey: wooo!
<sladen> jamiey: thankyou
#ubuntu-design 2016-07-20
<mike00> hi all. I want to do a tris app for ubuntu touch. which images can I use instead of the "X" and the "O"?
<mike00> I put the images in a button, which colour should I use for the button?
<mike00> I thought I can use the "ubuntu circle of friends" and the "canonical circle"... do you think it's a good idea?
<mike00> but I don't know wich color should I do the button...
<mike00> Can somebody answer me, please?
<mike00> nobody here, eh?
<mike00> ...
<sladen> mike00: sorry we missed oyu
<sladen> mpt: JMulholland: can you give Marcus a poke
<sladen> ditto for jamiey: can you give Marcus a poke
<jamiey> sladen Did you get him? I can see him in a meeting (might be with you) :)
<sladen> jamiey: needs to click the icon in the top right to answer the call
<sladen> jamiey: (because I'm coming from outside @canonical.com)
<jamiey> sladen done. He should have given you permission nowÂ¬Â 
<mike00> hi all. I want to do a tris app for ubuntu touch. which images can I use instead of the "X" and the "O"?
<sladen> gone again
<sladen> wah
<sladen> mike00: if you see this in the IRC logs, please stay around for a bit longer!
#ubuntu-design 2016-07-25
<mpt> JMulholland, Iâve reported bug 1606243
<ubot5> bug 1606243 in dekko (Ubuntu) "Search malfunctions after selecting a search result" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1606243
<JMulholland> cheers!

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