#ubuntu-fridge 2007-04-02
<Burgwork> nixternal: you around?
<nixternal> I think I am
<Burgwork> nixternal: if I create a UWN story, can you approve it?'
<nixternal> sure can
<Burgwork> ok, in queue
<nixternal> roger
<nixternal> submitted!
#ubuntu-fridge 2007-04-03
* mdke hellos
<mdke> Rinchen: hiya. thanks for checking the lp group. What's going on with the administrators? Why isn't Daniel the group administrator? afaik he's always the one adding new members and driving the group
<Rinchen> mdke, yes, he is.
<Rinchen> NewZ owns the group since he's the website person.
<Rinchen> I agreed to help update the LP entry with the release of 1.0
<Rinchen> I've suggested to Newz that we should get the regular fridge folks together and discuss enhancing the fridge.
<mdke> I remember adding newz as administrator when we created the group, but I certainly think the adminstrators of the LP group should reflect the reality if possible
<Rinchen> I believe he's going to do that at some point.
<mdke> Jono has done that already
<Rinchen> One moment and I'll ask newz about adding Daniel since I agree he's the guy that does just about everything. :-)
<Rinchen> Yes, Jono was in on the discussion although I spoke with newz directly, not Jono.
<mdke> I mean, Jono has got together folks and discussed enhancing it with Matthew
<Rinchen> ah excellent.
<mdke> unfortunately he did some of it off-list, but I can forward you emails if you want
<Rinchen> I was aware that he was doing that, I just didn't know it was public.
<mdke> as I said, unfortunately it wasn't public
<Rinchen> I'm adding Daniel now.
<mdke> thanks
<Rinchen> Seems I didn't have the privs so I just had newz do it.
<mdke> ah, owner only I guess
<mdke> thanks
<mdke> listen, the other thing I wanted to talk about is communication within the group
<mdke> there have been some stories going live recently which haven't been posted to the mailing list or maybe even were posted by one person without review
<mdke> the impression I get is of people not being kept totally in the loop, I think we can do better
<Rinchen> I wasn't aware. I did recently review and post up Matt's LP article.
<Rinchen> I also failed to post it to the list.
<Rinchen> We need to work on that fridge editors documentation a bit.
<mdke> true
<Rinchen> I was hoping that Daniel might be able to set the standard there.
<mdke> it's no big deal, but it just is a question of appearances for the rest of the group
<Rinchen> With my recent job change I have no inherent rights. I'm the same guy and the Fridge is a community effort.
<mdke> yeah, that's the thing I'd like to maintain, definitely
<mdke> I appreciate you saying that
<Rinchen> btw, apparently I was just promoted.
<Rinchen> I'm now the owner of the LP list.
* Rinchen laughs.
<Rinchen> complain about not being able to add someone and you get ownership. :-)
<mdke> hmm
<Rinchen> How about this: I'll post a note to the fridge-devel list and ask if we can have the senior editors (e.g. Daniel) update the fridge editor's docs so that we can all review it and make a concerted effort to follow it in the future.
<Rinchen> I have no idea when the positive changes for the fridge may happen so it might be best to keep our existing documentation up to date.
<Rinchen> Do you agree?
<Rinchen> Or perhaps you might have another suggestion?
<Rinchen> I'm open since this isn't part of my normal work.
<mdke> sorry, gf needed the computer
<mdke> sounds like a good suggestion
<Rinchen> ok. afaik, Daniel is still the owner of the Fridge. I should probably state that in the email I send to prevent any misconceptions.
<Rinchen> well s/owner/leader/
<mdke> I'm happy for you to take a larger role, if you're keen on being more involved in the Fridge that's definitely alright with me, it needs help :)
<mdke> i hardly have any time for writing nowadays, but I'm keen to help the group go in the right direction
<Rinchen> I think that was my issue as well. The fridge is good but it's been stagnant in both code updates as well as Daniel doing most of the work.  This all started for me when I inquired about the overall plan and was told it's up to the Fridge team to determine what they want to do with the Fridge.
<Rinchen> The Fridge is such a fixture that I hate to see it neglected.
<mdke> it won't be
<mdke> the team is pretty good and it's just a question of getting more wide contributions, with the fridge team acting more as editors than writers
<mdke> that will enable people to contribute when they can, rather than relying on Daniel/others all the time
<mdke> anyway, congrats on the new job
<Rinchen> Thanks. I was given 3 offers at once I chose to work on the LP team. It's an interesting group.  I figured I could do more to help Ubuntu that way.
<mdke> they are a great group, definitely
<mdke> you had three offers to work at canonical? that's pretty good going
<Rinchen> ah no, sorry.  1 with Canonical and 2 with Canonical partners
<mdke> oh right, good going anyway
<Rinchen> I was surprised to get an offer from Canonical. I'll tell you, I'm learning a lot though.
<mdke> cool
<Rinchen> are you still working in the law field?
<mdke> they are a good company, you'll enjoy it
<mdke> yes, I turned down my chance with Canonical :)
* Rinchen laughs.
<mdke> I'm more qualified for law, so it was safer for me to go that way
<mdke> didn't want to find myself following the dream and then left without qualifications in the wrong sector if something went wrong
<mdke> law is ok...
<Rinchen> From an old guy (that's me), I can say with certainty that qualifications count in the long term.
<mdke> get out of here
<mdke> you are so not old
* mdke goes to look again at the hackergotchi
<Rinchen> Just about 40
<mdke> you look younger!
<Rinchen> although we hired some new guys at Canonical so my position on what I call the "old farts totem pole" dropped a bit
<Rinchen> That's because it's an old picture. :-)
<mdke> ah, clever
<mdke> anyway, that's what I thought too
<mdke> but it was a tricky decision
<Rinchen> I was hired, I suspect, for two reasons: my certifications and my work on Ubuntu
<Rinchen> certainly not for my looks.  :-D
<Rinchen> Here's UDS MTV - http://www.flickr.com/photos/sfllaw/291040915/   Green shirt
<Rinchen> on the left next to Melissa
<mdke> still wouldn't give you 40, anyway
<Rinchen> hehe  Thanks.
#ubuntu-fridge 2007-04-04
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<Rinchen> ping jenda
<jenda> Rinchen: semi-pong?
<Rinchen> jenda, hehe
<Rinchen> jenda, congrats on irc op. I didn't know you applied.
<jenda> I didn't, I was asked ;)
<Rinchen> excellent
<jenda> thx :)
<Rinchen> I'm also curious about cloaks
<jenda> I've been doing it for about a month now.
<jenda> wait
<Rinchen> I have an ubuntu cloak but I overheard you say something about a canonical cloak?
<jenda> hehe :)
<jenda> take your pick
<jenda> canonical/launchpad/rinchen or ubuntu/member/rinchen
<Rinchen> both
* Rinchen laughs.
<jenda> Sorry, nope :)
<Rinchen> flip me to canonical as I can always go back to ubuntu :-)
<Rinchen> please
<jenda> Better? :)
<Rinchen> I think I have to relog to see it. Thanks!
<jenda> no you don't
<jenda> 22:38 -!- Rinchen [n=joey@canonical/launchpad/rinchen] 
<Rinchen> ah, I can do a whois.
<Rinchen> I was right-clicking on xchat and it must have cached my old material
#ubuntu-fridge 2007-04-09
<Burgundavia> nixternal: can you clear teh uwn story?
<nixternal> sure can
<nixternal> done
<Burgundavia> cheers
<nixternal> I just fixed the UWN wiki page to remove CamelCase words that didn't have wiki links
<nixternal> OpenOffice and LeetCode
<Burgundavia> cool, thanjks
#ubuntu-fridge 2007-04-14
<tprice> hey
#ubuntu-fridge 2007-04-15
<imbrandon> nixternal, someone might wanna post this http://www.mybroadband.co.za/nephp/?m=show&id=6137
<imbrandon> seems to have quoted sabdfl quite a bit
#ubuntu-fridge 2007-04-16
<Burgundavia> nixternal: in the queue
<Burgundavia> probably needs some work
<nixternal> roger
<nixternal> posted
<Burgundavia> thanks
#ubuntu-fridge 2007-04-20
<nixternal> anyone around with fridge submit power?
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<Burgwork> nixternal: !
<nixternal> yo
<Burgwork> when you write a release announcement, do one for all the flavours, dammit
<nixternal> heh, I was given an order by the higher ups to do the one I did
<Burgwork> nixternal: can you write the other 4? Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Edubuntu and Ubuntu Server?
<Burgwork> robitaille: can you save the fridge from only announcing kubuntu?
<nixternal> Burgwork: what do you want done?
<Burgwork> nixternal: a similar release announcement for Eduubntu, Ubuntu, Xubuntu and Ubuntu Server
<Burgwork> without or without the graphic
<nixternal> is there a write up for Ubuntu, Xubuntu and Edubuntu that is classy? I don't follow their development so I don't know what's hot and what's not
<Burgwork> either you do it or I publicly shame you by doing it :)
<nixternal> hahaha
<Burgwork> and I mention that evil Kubuntu people prevented the other announcements
<nixternal> you know, I would feel honored to be publicly shamed by you :)
<Burgwork> heh
<nixternal> muhahaha
<robitaille> Burgwork:  I approve the article that I sent :)   It's not my fault the only one who wrote something did it for Kubuntu :)
<robitaille> s/I sent/I receive/
<robitaille> I have to say the thought of having only a kubuntu article was bad...but the alternative was no article at all about the release on the Fridge which is worse
<robitaille> On some days I just feel like the Fridge is only a long painful and dying experiment that needs to come to an end with someone deciding to pull the plug...
<Burgwork> we just need more people
<robitaille> We have dozen of editors!  We need to pull the plug and do it differently....and with a new name and a different community around it.
<Burgwork> hmm
<Burgwork> the "suggest a story" idea is a good one
<robitaille> personally I always like the "slashdot" look...people submit stories and us editors approve the ones we like.  And the comments are right there under these approved stories.    But I don't think that was the "look" people wanted originally.  But it makes it easy to build a community around these stories
<nixternal> I will agree there actually. the design/layout of /. is good, but /. sucks :)
<nixternal> Burgwork: KUBUNTU FTW!
<Burgwork> nixternal: 2/3 of the downloads are ubuntu, 1/3 are kubuntu
<nixternal> that is about the same for the bug count as well
<nixternal> probably even more ;)
<nixternal> 1/3 kubuntu sounds a little much truthfully
<Burgwork> almost all the large deployments I have heard about are Ubuntu
<nixternal> most KDE people tend to use multiple distros at once anyways
<nixternal> what about France?
<nixternal> they are all Kubuntu
<Burgwork> KDE tends to be the older Linux crowd, from what I have seen
<Burgwork> mandrake holdover
<robitaille> Interestingly the usage stats for users  I have seen in the past for linux in general was the reverse 2/3 KDE, 1/3 Gnome....interesting mismatch
<nixternal> that is the largest Ubuntu/Kubuntu implementation yet in amount of hardware and money
<nixternal> robitaille: that is Linux in general though, Ubuntu has it for the GNOME crowd w/o a doubt
<Burgwork> robitaille: all those numbers are suspect, due to being biased
<Burgwork> nixternal: I seriously doubt if the french parliment is the largest U/Kubuntu deployment
<robitaille> nixternal:  exactly.  But could Ubuntu popularity have a long-term effect on KDE usage?
<nixternal> I am thinking that Ubuntu is probably pulling people away from Kubuntu
<nixternal> or KDE in general
<nixternal> GNOME is easier out of the box I think
<nixternal> KDE has so many options that it loses people
* robitaille works in a KDE shop...25+ KDE computers.... 1 Gnome computer....mine :)
<nixternal> hehe
<nixternal> there are only a few KDE people I know in the Chicago land area
<Burgwork> when I asked my company president why he choose GNOME, he said "All the large companies are putting their effort behind GNOME"
<nixternal> actually in Chicago, Xubuntu is probably the #1 favorite Linux distro
<Burgwork> and that was pre Ximian/Novell
<robitaille> the sysadmin here likes KDE.  Thus KDE by default and all users only use the default they are offered
<nixternal> I only use my GNOME desktop for testing my packages
<Burgwork> office here uses GNOME because I use Ubuntu
<nixternal> and I just switched it back to Ubuntu. I was using Debian until I realized no matter how great and stable it is, it is old
<Burgwork> I wish asterisk were in main
<nixternal> there are a couple of asterisk devs doing a talk on sunday at the lug
<nixternal> asterisk and subversion weekend at the lug
<Burgwork> cool
<Burgwork> tell them to merge the bloody ldap stuff into main
<nixternal> heh
<nixternal> actually mishehu is on IRC right now, he is one of the devs that is a member of the LGU
<nixternal> LUG
<nixternal> heh, I should do a Bazaar demo right after the SVN demo
<nixternal> but my problem is, I still prefer SVN over BZR
<Burgwork> server applications that don't support ldap in this day and age...
<nixternal> hehe, right
<Burgwork> what else did I run into that didn;t...
<nixternal> see, I started messing with GNOME during the Ximian days a little bit and actually realy liked it
<nixternal> except for that stupid monkey and their "ubuntu-like" color scheme smashed with a banana
#ubuntu-fridge 2007-04-21
<Burgundavia> nixternal: I still don't see those stoires
<Burgundavia> nixternal: you around?
<nixternal> yup
<nixternal> been busy man
<Burgundavia> see the story in the queue
* nixternal looks
<Burgundavia> basic, but functional
<nixternal> hahahahahahaha
<nixternal> I am going to post it just like that
<nixternal> we are all about fun right?
<nixternal> we aren't the serious Ubuntu news
<nixternal> I like it though!
<Burgundavia> should be fine
<Burgundavia> I think I was careful enough to avoid offending people
<nixternal> lol
<nixternal> that is great though!
<nixternal> that was definitely a job for the marketing team
<nixternal> they should be doing press type stuff for releases
<Burgundavia> nah, they had an outside agency do it
<nixternal> ya, but for like the Fridge and what not
<nixternal> ya, and their release notes were horrible this time too
<nixternal> they tried to hard to look professional, at least that is the feel that I got for it
<nixternal> who did the 7.04 tour?
<nixternal> and I hate the fact they keep leaving Xubuntu out
<Burgundavia> I did
<Burgundavia> Xubuntu was supposed to do something, but Somerville was sick
<nixternal> no not you
<nixternal> Canonical
<nixternal> their "professional" release page lists Kubuntu and Edubuntu for flavors
<Burgundavia> no, it lists Xubuntu as well
<nixternal> and when silbs sent the Christmas card for the community that had only Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu
<nixternal> no it doesn't
<Burgundavia> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntuflavours704
<Burgundavia> ahh
<nixternal> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu704
<nixternal> ahhh
<nixternal> haha, if I would have just clicked that link
<nixternal> KDE 3.5.6 which includes speed improvements to the web browser and translations in 65 languages
<nixternal> I would like to know why Kubuntu doesn't have those 65 languages though, especially for docs
<nixternal> I need some food
<nixternal> back in a few
<Burgundavia> cya
#ubuntu-fridge 2007-04-23
<Burgundavia> nixternal: you around?
<Burgundavia> Madpilot: have you ever gotten your login?
<Madpilot> for the Fridge? Never pursued it.
<Burgundavia> right
<Madpilot> forgotten yours, Burgundavia?
<Burgundavia> no, need to get something approved
<mdke> I will
<Burgundavia> thanjks
<mdke> approved with no changes :)
<Burgundavia> uwn is pretty simple
<Burgundavia> I think we discussed making it no approver needed
<mdke> it can help to have two pairs of eyes for typos, I guess. Otherwise it's straightforward
<mdke> I see the tabs on the Fridge are broken
<Burgundavia> as long as we have somebody
<mdke> right
<mdke> anyway, I'm not convinced the "approval" system is in operation these days.
<Burgundavia> that reminds me, we shoudl go recruiting
<mdke> matt revell and jono often post without asking for approval, afaics
<Burgundavia> hmm, no idea
#ubuntu-fridge 2007-04-26
* mdke sees another story appear in the fridge as if by magic
<mdke> I'm going to write to Matt about this, I don't think we should have one rule for editors and another for Canonical employees
<robitaille> mdke, +1   I was wondering about this.  For  a while I thought they were approved via IRC while I wasn't around
<robitaille> unless Canonical had decided that the Fridge is the official Canonical site to bring their news to the users....
#ubuntu-fridge 2007-04-27
<mdke> very short story in the queue for review
<mdke> there are a couple of other stories there too - robitaille - are those for publishing still?
<robitaille> the jdub one was written a long time ago...I mentionned it twice on the mailing list, and nobody  bothered to approved it.  The poll was a placeholder for the next poll we would need; which I guess could be now since we don't have any active one
<robitaille> I'm not sure about the security initiative one.  Sladen?   It has your name on it :)
<mdke> robitaille: the security one is *really* old.
<mdke> let's have the poll. I think we should announce new polls on the front page too so they get into the rss feeds
<robitaille> mdke,  I agree.  last time we did that, the poll gathered quite a lot of answers immdiatelly because it was on the feed.
<mdke> right. I'll do it
<mdke> do we need a separately story to get the poll on the front page?
<mdke> *separate
<sladen> delete the security one
<mdke> damn, looks like we do. I don't have time to write anything, need to get to work
<mdke> sladen: ok
<sladen> it takes about 3hours/day to write a good story
<sladen> I can write some ubucon stuff later
<mdke> ok
<robitaille> mdke,  for the poll, you just need to select "promote to front page" when approving it, and it will be posted right there on the front page.
<mdke> robitaille: I tried that, no good
<robitaille> humm...I thought I did that last time.  I didn't do a separate story for sure.
<mdke> see what you can do. I have to run
<robitaille> I know....the poll is so old, it got put in the proper chronological order....which is probably pages below the front page
<mdke> oh right. sticky at top of lists for a bit?
<robitaille> but I don't think it goes on the rss feed if we use the sticky option.  I will delete it, and recreate it
<mdke> ok
<robitaille> the poll is active
<sladen> mdke: also, when you "promote to front page", update the timestamp to somewhere about the current time
<KenSentMe> Can someone stop the latest poll from coming up in the rss feed?  I looks like the fridge feed is updated when someone votes
#ubuntu-fridge 2007-04-30
<Burgundavia> nixternal: you around?
<nixternal> yo
<nixternal> Burgundavia: yessir!
<Burgundavia> nixternal: nah, just published it myself
<nixternal> newsletter?
<Burgundavia> ytep
<nixternal> ya, just post it, no need for moderation I don't think
#ubuntu-fridge 2008-04-01
 * cody-somerville wonders if the fridge is going to do an April Fool's prank
#ubuntu-fridge 2008-04-02
<andrea-bs> hello, <http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event> is inaccessible
<beuno> Rinchen, ^^
<Rinchen> well, that's interesting
<beuno> interesting is one way of putting it, yes  :)
<Rinchen> hmm, I just cycled all the event modules with no change
<Rinchen> I got a hold of newz and he's going to look at it in a few minutes
<Rinchen> he didn't realize it was feeding #ubuntu-meeting
<beuno> yes, there is a few things that depend on it
<Rinchen> what else that you know of?
<Rinchen> it looks like the rss feed is still working though
<beuno> many websites
<beuno> some calendars
<beuno> and there is a notification widget that was being worked on
<beuno> specifically for this
<beuno> but I'm not sure it's out in the wild yet
<Rinchen> they all use the rss feed though I think
<Rinchen> so the only real issue is that we can't add, delete, or change entries.
<beuno> that's right
<andrea-bs> Could you please put in the <pubDate> field of the Fridge Events Feed the datetime the event will be held? This helps me ordering the items with my feed aggregator and I think would be useful for other users too
<newz2000> hi Rinchen, boredandblogging. Updating to the dev version of event didn't fix it
<boredandblogging> hmmm
<newz2000> not surprising though, the diff was very small.
<Rinchen> hmm
<newz2000> I'm going to ask in #drupal-support unless someone else has already done this
<Rinchen> +1
<boredandblogging> go for it
<Rinchen> newz2000, I don't understand why it would have changed this week
<newz2000> Rinchen: yes, that's the mystery
<Rinchen> newz2000, I'm not aware of anything IS did
<newz2000> but I'm going to bet...
<newz2000> that some event was added that's messing things up
<newz2000> I should look at the data first maybe
<boredandblogging> we just delete the last few and see if the page works again
<newz2000> doesn't that mean a lot of work for just a chance?
<boredandblogging> its tedious, but I don't think its a lot of events
<newz2000> ok, let me poke at the db first
<boredandblogging> ok
<Rinchen> wow newz2000 ...have a look at the recent log history
<newz2000> what do developers feel compelled to come up with creative ways to store dates when the databse has a perfectly useable datetime field?
<boredandblogging> yeah, the errors are caused when you pull up the calendar, theoretically
<boredandblogging> but newz2000 couldn't replicate it with debugging code yesterday
<boredandblogging> maybe wiping out the session table could clear up the duplicate error
<Rinchen> gmmktime() expects parameter 6 to be long, string ...
<newz2000> yeah, that doesn't seem to be fatal though
<newz2000> I don't think its causing this prob
<Rinchen> damn,...there's 100 log pages just from today due to the theme errors
<newz2000> theme errors?
<newz2000> but yes, the logging is made less effective by the quantity of data
<newz2000> anyone know when the prob first started happening?
<boredandblogging> at least after march 24th, because I created the server team meetings and checked the calendar
<Rinchen> I did kees's entry on Monday
<Rinchen> I think it was Monday
<Rinchen> hmm my irc log sort of suggests it was last thursday
<newz2000> the last two events were modified last on the 26th, which is last Wed
<newz2000> there is absolutely nothing fishy looking with the events either
<newz2000> would someone delete the last two events, one by one, so we can see if they affect the problem at all?
<boredandblogging> yeah, I'll do it
<boredandblogging> deleted both security meetings, doesn't help
<newz2000> it hasn't affected the rss feed
<boredandblogging> those 2 aren't listed under upcoming events anymore
<newz2000> people in drupal-support started talking about this prob before I even got a chance to mention it
<newz2000> http://drupal.org/node/158043
<Rinchen> I tried swizzling the caching but there was no affect. It's off and has been
<newz2000> I think its probably mem related. Our server is set to 8M max.
<boredandblogging> maybe eventually turn on caching too?
<newz2000> I've never felt that fridge was slow, and caching seems to be more hassle than its worth. But maybe I'm wrong and performance is lacking.
<Rinchen> the articles on drupal suggest that caching takes even more local memory
<Rinchen> but it might be interesting for us since 99.9% of all access to the fridge is unauthenticated
<boredandblogging> right, drupal stores cached pages in the db (why?)
<newz2000> I suspect it puts them in the database because its easier... since drupal doesn't have to worry about fs permissiosn when writing files
<newz2000> but that doesn't make it use more php ram
<cody-somerville> Drupal is a horrible memory hog.
<cody-somerville> I had the same problem with my drupal website
<boredandblogging> it might, after drupal pulls out of the cache from the db, it probably sits in php ram for a bit before its gets served up
<newz2000> true
<newz2000> My prev employer's web application software used XSL for the page generation. A typical page view used over 800M of RAM and some of our reports used over 1200M of RAM. per pageview! ;-)
<boredandblogging> wow
<boredandblogging> anytime someone mentions reporting, I cringe
<newz2000> My job was to make sure payroll reports worked right for our customers. It was a pain and for some reason the only time we had problems was on payday 45m before the payroll *had* to be done.
<newz2000> anyway, drupal uses no ram compared to that app
<newz2000> And I've seen (and written) php apps that need far more ram than 24M
<boredandblogging> heh, I write java, I know bloated  :-P
<newz2000> yeah, this program was in java too
<boredandblogging> hah, figures
<newz2000> events works now
<boredandblogging> cool
<newz2000> James thought that my statement about "8M being excessively low" was funny.
#ubuntu-fridge 2008-04-03
<Buzzed404> hmmm
#ubuntu-fridge 2008-04-05
<L1pe> hi guys
<L1pe> I just tried to send an email to the fridge-devel list about the next marketing team meeting and it got rejected because I'm not in the list... is that the right channel to send info?
<boredandblogging> L1pe: i'll put it on the calendar
<boredandblogging> btw, fridge.ubuntu.com/event is showing a blank screen again
#ubuntu-fridge 2008-04-10
<zoobox> hi ho
<zoobox> hmm... 12 freezing people here today....
<zoobox>   Â¯^Â¯
<Rinchen> :-)
#ubuntu-fridge 2008-04-15
<boredandblogging> anyone else getting a blank fridge.ubuntu.com/event
<boredandblogging> ?
 * Rinchen looks
<Rinchen> yeah, busted again...
<boredandblogging> its happened last weekend and it magically fixed itself
<Rinchen> I've poked newz to see if we can't get a high php memory value
<Rinchen> <newz2000> ok, then it probably means we're close to the right ram setting but not quite on the mark. Apparently some pages need a little more.
<Rinchen> he's going to have IS update it again
<boredandblogging> excellent
<cody-somerville> :/
<x9x> brr
<Rinchen> heh
<Rinchen> Jag kÃ¤nner en bott, x9x  :-)
<x9x> hehe
<LaserJock> Rinchen: how is implementation of the UbuntuNews spec blocking you?
<Rinchen> LaserJock, I can't shut down fridge-devel
<LaserJock> hmm
<Rinchen> it's a spam fest with subscribers I don't recognize and private conversations
<LaserJock> well
#ubuntu-fridge 2008-04-16
<LaserJock> the spec should take into account using the LP list
<Rinchen> I added that on the /talk page just a bit ago
<Rinchen> and I agree :-)
<Rinchen> mdke ^^
<LaserJock> the spec, as written, is deprecating everything but ubuntu-news-team
<LaserJock> and I'm still a bit confused with the spec
<Rinchen> see the talk page. I think we need two communication channels:  news email list where everyone submits news  and then each team can have their own email list to discuss operational items.
<LaserJock> the only thing I'm really seeing it doing is renaming the mailing lists
<Rinchen> so the fridge would have the fridge list in LP.   UWN could have their own list if they wanted to...etc.
<LaserJock> ok, well aren't implementing a talk page :-)
<Rinchen> so we want a common submission point and then take the tactical conversations off to the side
<Rinchen> I'm on the fence about merging of irc channels but I don't object to it
<LaserJock> so the spec is really not at all reflective of current reality, no?
<LaserJock> while I realize that you want to get moving on this (as do I) it would be nice to actually agree on what we're doing
<Rinchen> which is why I asked mdke and others to look at the spec and update it :-)
<x9x> #fridge
<x9x> !fridge
<x9x> %fridge
<Rinchen> I think you took the bot comment a bit too seriously :-)
<Rinchen> anna is missing from the channel ;-)
<x9x> ahh... vad illa... vad ska basshunter sÃ¤ga dÃ¥....
<x9x> (if I dont remember his name wrong... have he done other songs?)
 * x9x goes -> shower!
<Rinchen> lol
<Rinchen> yeah he's the right person x9x.
<Rinchen> he has some other songs too
* Rinchen changed the topic of #ubuntu-fridge to: The Fridge Channel: It's a cool place to be.   >> Please Join #ubuntu-news.  #ubuntu-fridge will be merging soon. <<
<Rinchen> well, that's not worded very well is it
* Rinchen changed the topic of #ubuntu-fridge to: The Fridge Channel: It's a cool place to be.   >> This channel is being deprecated. Please Join #ubuntu-news.  <<
<Rinchen> I can't wait until gutsy it out. The block section for the gutsy count down graphic doesn't respect width and height settings.
<Rinchen> I've got half a mind to delete it
<beuno> Rinchen, if you have access to the fridge code, I might be able to put together a piece of code to make that smaller
<Rinchen> beuno, it's the .js doing it.   http://www.ubuntu.com/files/countdown/dist/display.js
<Rinchen> and you have access to as an editor
<Rinchen> you and I have the same access level :-)
<beuno> Rinchen, I can override js  :)
<Rinchen> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/admin/build/block/configure/block/5
<Rinchen> the h&w are probably off. I was messing with them until I realized the js was the culprit
<beuno> Rinchen, I'll play around with it fot a while an see what the cleanest way to override it is
* Rinchen changed the topic of #ubuntu-fridge to: >> This channel is being deprecated. Please Join #ubuntu-news.  <<
<Rinchen> I might as well get to the point eh?
<beuno> heh
<beuno> you left out "go away"
<Rinchen> lol
<Rinchen> hey, it's a community spec
<Rinchen> I'm thankful sladen had registered this channel when he did
<beuno> Rinchen, http://fridge.ubuntu.com
<beuno> works for ya?
<Rinchen> oh thank heavens
<beuno> just make sure Canonical doesn't change the JS to do funny stuff, as I "reimplemented" it on the fridge  :)
<Rinchen> well, in 9 days it won't matter :-)
<Rinchen> it'll be a static image
<beuno> it should be, yes
<Rinchen> but I'll tell newz
<beuno> but you know shouldn't trust web-devs  ;)
<Rinchen> so, I think I should officially leave this channel and maybe others will get the hint. :-)
<boredandblogging> lol
<Rinchen> so let's see...
<Rinchen> Daviey, x9x, isgleas, jcastro , jcastro , mdke, nixternal - see the new channel topic and your fridge email if you are an editor.
<x9x> but but but.... a fridge is so much cooler!  :-)
#ubuntu-fridge 2008-04-30
<Hattory> cody-somerville, you work for The Fridge?
<cody-somerville> Yes.
<Hattory> cody-somerville, Can you correct the title of this news? http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1406
<Hattory> Ubunut->Ubuntu
<cody-somerville> done
<Hattory> cody-somerville, thnks ;)
<Hattory> bye

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