#ubuntu-discuss 2013-05-03 <dank101> Yo <dank101> just played tf2 after getting bumblebee working <dank101> so so so satisfying <joshliberty> Am I the only one who's kinda disgusted by the whole trend of "Ubuntu tweak tools"? It reminds me of the hoops I had to jump through when I wanted to customize something in Windows. I always really liked the fact that this isn't necessary in Linux. <joshliberty> Of course, the problem wouldn't be the tweak tools :P #ubuntu-discuss 2013-05-04 <uvala> hello, I'd like to download and install a free social networking software on ubuntu. is there a ubuntu-friendly one or a best match? else does anyone know of a website with this kind of information? #ubuntu-discuss 2013-05-05 <semitones> Hey <semitones> Lol not surprised to see this place isn't as well populated as #ot <semitones> I kind of want to see what sparked the creation of this channel <IdleOne> The original idea was to try and create a space where people could talk about anything Ubuntu (no support question). -ot can also be used for that but it is also used for other topics. It was felt that with the announcements of Ubuntu tv, android, phone, touch, this would be a better channel to funnel that discussion to. <semitones> IdleOne, ah ok. That's a lot more positive than what I thought happened (-ot gets tired of people complaining about unity) <IdleOne> that too <IdleOne> lol <semitones> so like <semitones> Not that this is a new idea <semitones> but I'm concerned that canonical is becoming too closed off to benefit the open source community <semitones> and as crazy as RHS is, I do like his ideas of frequently-needed software always getting better by being open <semitones> (or is it RMS?) #ubuntu-discuss 2013-05-06 <hggdh> closed-off? Why? * genii-around scrolls back a week to see who hggdh might be talking to <IdleOne> heh <hggdh> oh, I am off by a whole day... * hggdh pins a note to remember to look at day changes messages <geezy> hello. can you explain why ufw, and apparmor for firefox are disabled by default? #ubuntu-discuss 2013-05-07 <jussi> does anyone have any opinions on whether canonical will fail or succeed with the phone? and can you back up these opinions? <IdleOne> jussi: I don't think it can be considered a success until major phone companies start selling phones with ubuntu touch preinstalled. <IdleOne> as long err ubuntu phone/touch <jussi> IdleOne: I tend to agree - Im asking for opiniions if that could happen and why do you think it might happen. <Calinou> firefox OS targets low end <Calinou> and guess what are the best sellers? nexus 4 and GS3/GS4 <Calinou> two insanely expensive phones :P <IdleOne> as long as it remains a geek thing, meaning that the end user needs to flash his phone, it will stay just on the edge of success <Calinou> wait <Calinou> WTF brain <jussi> IdleOne: I agree <Calinou> well, when you said ubuntu touch I thought of firefoxc OS <Calinou> -c <jussi> IdleOne: although, I can see phones with multiple UI's being potentially shipped, and the user chooises the lauren32@example.com.... <jussi> err, initial startup <IdleOne> jussi: if the carriers see a potential for profit they will. <jussi> because, lets face it, underneath it is now very much the same (at a lernel level) <IdleOne> that might be a good idea, a dual boot phone. <jussi> kernel* <IdleOne> but the carrier needs to be able to market a reason for having dual boot which means ubuntu will need to fill a specific task that isn't already by existing phone OS. <Calinou> jussi: that will never happen <Calinou> dualbooting is so sketchy already <Calinou> thanks to UEFI <jussi> IdleOne: or they may head towards simply Galaxy S5U, S5A, S5J, S5T (Ubuntu, Android, Jolla, Tizen) <jussi> so same HW, choose your software <jussi> "best of all worlds" so to speak <IdleOne> I'm don't own a cell phone or tablet, for me there is no need to own one. But I do sometimes think I would like a nice tablet I can use as a "main" computing device, but I would want to be able to do pretty much everything I can on my desktop. <jussi> IdleOne: you need a keyboard, no matter what people tell you... <IdleOne> screen size is a big issue for me, I don't have problems with my vision, I just don't like looking at a small screen. 7-9-10 inches is too small IMO <Calinou> lol jussi <jussi> its frustrating though, Ubuntu touch was getting very good reviews, but I found it unuseable tbh <Calinou> IdleOne: desktop ftw <Calinou> tablet as main computing, lol <IdleOne> jussi: it is still very new <jussi> I have 8 mins till train arrives, so if I disappear... <IdleOne> Calinou: what I meant by main device was when I am away from my desktop I want to be able to do everything I do on my desktop. <jussi> IdleOne: still, with the level of advertised useability, I expect bugs, not showstopper bugs. <jussi> IdleOne: I have the most compatible device (Nexus 4) and the experience was very poor <IdleOne> I can't comment on that because I haven't tried it. <jussi> IdleOne: the gmail app for example wouldnt load. the browser was very poor. other apps didnt lauren32@example.com. <IdleOne> I do like the idea of being able to dock a phone or tablet and using it as a desktop. <IdleOne> I think I could then live with the smaller screen size when I am on the go. <jussi> IdleOne: that said, the system and ideas are very nice, although some of them are somewhat confusing. <jussi> anyway, station coming up... talk laters <IdleOne> That is just a question of learning to use a different UI <IdleOne> later dude. <Calinou> IdleOne: well you can't <Calinou> performance is very bad compared to a desktop <Calinou> and you don't have physical keyboard/mouse <IdleOne> performance on phones and tablets is improving and will soon be comparable to desktop <Calinou> lol no <Calinou> celeron G1610 = 5 times as fast as tegra 3 <Calinou> 40 euro CPU <Calinou> you have now idea how slow ARM is at heavy tasks :P <Calinou> 20 minutes to compile a game #ubuntu-discuss 2013-05-12 <belal122> Hi, I'm trying to learn programming with python (never programmed before) but would like to join a project so I can learn as I go. Can someone point to a good project that is easy for non-programmers like me to look into? <IdleOne> belal122: most people will tell you to pick your favorite application and then see if you can help fix/improve that app. <IdleOne> if you search for Python for beginners, it should give you a bunch of sites to start learning. <belal122> I'm actually using codecademy which is pretty cool. but yes I would like to start with an application. i'm having trouble finding an app that is made with python <IdleOne> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneHundredPaperCuts <IdleOne> you could start here ^ <IdleOne> papercuts are small bugs, good for beginners <belal122> Thanks! #ubuntu-discuss 2013-05-13 <snpresent_> hi #ubuntu-discuss 2013-05-14 <Wizard> Hi. #ubuntu-discuss 2013-05-15 <thebishop> "The Canonical developers also admitted that having features like multi-GPU/hybrid support for Mir is a long way out. " - Mir or no-Mir, the hybrid graphics situation on Linux is getting untenable <Thurin1> Was Unity the right choice or will Ubuntu suffer from ditching Gnome 3? <Wizard> Hard to say, actually. <Wizard> In my opinion Ubuntu will have to fork Gnome sooner or later or replace it with something else. <Thurin1> True. <Wizard> Unity in fact *is* built on top of Gnome 3. <Thurin1> Yes, I am aware of that. <Wizard> But Unity and Shell differ in many areas. <Thurin1> But, I think Gnome 3 will be the choice for desktops. <Thurin1> Ubuntu however has it made for tablets. <Wizard> Bull... RedBull :P <Thurin1> What part? <Thurin1> Gnome on desktops? <Thurin1> Or ubuntu on tablets? <Wizard> Belive me, both Unity (as in regular Ubuntu, 13.04) and Gnome Shell suck on a touchscreen. <Thurin1> Yes, but I find unity sucks a little less. <Thurin1> Because the dash is always present. <Thurin1> Gnome 3, more finger work. <Wizard> Well, in Shell "Preview" button is always present. <Wizard> Unity is Gnome 3 too. <Thurin1> Yeah, at the top left corner... than look down, then press etc. <Wizard> I don't get your point. <Thurin1> The way the layout is. :D <Wizard> You meant Gnome Shell? <Thurin1> The defaults. <Thurin1> Yes gnome shell <Wizard> Well. Unity is a classic desktop actually. <Thurin1> You like it as a desktop? <Wizard> Sure. <Wizard> Moreover, I think it was a step in right direction :) <Thurin1> I do too, but I prefer gnome-shell after using it for a while. <Thurin1> Oh, it was. <Wizard> Well, both was. <Thurin1> Much better than gnome 2. <Thurin1> But... <Wizard> I like gnome-shell too. <Wizard> But what? <Wizard> Man, I waited more than 10 years for this :D <Wizard> Linux got its own desktop! <Thurin1> For this conversation? <Thurin1> Me too <Thurin1> lol <Thurin1> :P <Thurin1> Yes! <Wizard> No, for true Linux Desktop. <Thurin1> It really feels like it. :) <Thurin1> It's not a copy of MS or Mac... <Thurin1> We're Linux. <Thurin1> :) <Wizard> Not FVWM with bunch of crappy athena widget apps, not KDE which immitates Windows 98 not Another OS X WM. <Thurin1> KDE... <Wizard> (Actually, Unity resembles OS X in some areas, but who cares ) <Wizard> Broken. <Thurin1> Perpetually. <Wizard> Well, KDE1 was nice. <Thurin1> 4... 4... terrible. <Wizard> Terrible. <Thurin1> That's another thing <Thurin1> With Unity now <Thurin1> I think is the time to get rid of the Kubuntu line. <Wizard> Why? <Thurin1> Because people who want KDE know how to get it anyways. <Thurin1> Unity should be Ubuntu and Ubuntu should be Unity. <Wizard> Hence the name, I belive. <Thurin1> hah <Thurin1> One thing that's always been a blessing and a curse at the same time is the sheer amount of distsos. <Thurin1> distros.. <Thurin1> So much wasted time on the same thing really. <Wizard> This is only a matter of time. <Thurin1> Ubuntu should just be Ubuntu... desktop/tablet/Server. <Thurin1> Makes it simple. <Wizard> If it comes about me, Ubuntu lacks two things. <Wizard> 1. Fonts and LibreOffice templates which actually look good. <Wizard> 2. Avahi integration for local network services discovery. <Thurin1> Yes, especially #1. <Thurin1> Actually the whole UI in libreoffice needs an overhaul but that's another story. <Wizard> Well, I agree. <Wizard> Sometimes when I look at it it reminds me of Ancient Egypt :D <Wizard> I don't know why. <Thurin1> hahahaha <Thurin1> Yeah, it's sad actually. <Wizard> Probably this UI design was found among hieroglyphs in Gisa :D <Thurin1> You know when you're all excited to introduce a friend to Linux... and they ask "well what about work? documents and spreadsheets?" <Thurin1> Then you fire up that damn ugly thing <Thurin1> Wizard: haha maybe. <Wizard> Even Google Docs offers more. <Thurin1> lol... it even looks better. <Thurin1> Anyways, that's the end of my lunch break... <Thurin1> Back to work, yay. <Wizard> And it is some kind of javascript abomination. <Thurin1> see ya <Wizard> Bye ;P <Wizard> I hope we won't ba banned from here for this small chat. #ubuntu-discuss 2013-05-17 <JesperHansen> Anyone got an idea where https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-1305-chromium-default-browser is headed? Is it really happening no matter what the community thinks? <Wizard> JesperHansen: I hope guys behind that idea burn in hell already :P <JesperHansen> The arguments behind the idea appear flawed and shot down in every case <AlanBell> JesperHansen: it isn't going to uninstall firefox for people who already have it <AlanBell> it would mean shipping an inaccessible browser by default which is mildly annoying as a point of principal to me <IdleOne> not sure what you mean by inaccessible ? <AlanBell> try it <AlanBell> turn on orca and try and get around firefox and chromium <IdleOne> ahh <IdleOne> ok, well if that is the case then I agree it is a bad idea <hackerjag> fullz and logins wanted... contact for deal <guntbert_> JesperHansen: [jasoncwarner] Take research to public mailing list and reach consensus about defaultness switch: TODO <guntbert_> doesn't sound like "no matter what community says" #ubuntu-discuss 2013-05-20 <hemangpatel> Hello <hemangpatel> is this true ? www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP8CNp-vksc <k1l_> what specific do you mean? <hemangpatel> is ubuntu integrated with spyware ? <hemangpatel> to send user details to canonical servers ? <k1l_> nope. it got ad-lense which is easily uninstalable or you can turn it off in the privacy settings <JoseeAntonioR> hemangpatel: that is RMS' opinion about the topic, he thinks it's spyware <k1l_> hemangpatel: if you call that spyware, then everything that needs a internet connection is spyware. just think about what your browser sends to servers etc. <hemangpatel> ok <hemangpatel> thanks for talk #ubuntu-discuss 2013-05-21 <hemangpatel> Hello <hemangpatel> is canonical accept what richard stallman said ? <IdleOne> I recall you asking this earlier in here <IdleOne> ah, you did. <IdleOne> <k1l_> hemangpatel: if you call that spyware, then everything that needs a internet connection is spyware. just think about what your browser sends to servers etc. <hemangpatel> yes <IdleOne> RMS is a troll. <hemangpatel> IdleOne : why you guys tell him troll <hemangpatel> IdleOne : because you are in fault <IdleOne> I don't represent Canonical <IdleOne> spyware implies something that is hidden from the user. <IdleOne> the amazon lens is not hidden and can be disabled easily. <hemangpatel> Don't run away.. I personally love ubuntu.. But this thing ... <hemangpatel> IdleOne :) if i can disable then it's fine #ubuntu-discuss 2013-05-23 <Bluefoxicy> what tf is going on with libav vs ffmpeg? <Bluefoxicy> the Internet tells me both of these suck and both of them are awesome and both of them are run by whiny crybabies who are screwing off and both are run by the mature side of a parent-child tantrum. #ubuntu-discuss 2013-05-24 <samuel__> hey guys #ubuntu-discuss 2013-05-26 <sanav> i just installed ubuntu SERVER 13.04 64 bit .I have a modem ( huawei ) with vodafone sim in it .Can you tell me 'is their any pre-installed tool for connecting my modem ' ?. <apt-get_install> sanav: ask in #ubuntu instead <sanav> apt-get_install: tried but no one answering me <apt-get_install> sanav: try again? <apt-get_install> or ##linux senav <sanav> apt-get_install: its sanav . <apt-get_install> oh <apt-get_install> sorry <sanav> apt-get_install: bye bro .I'm going somewhere else. #ubuntu-discuss 2013-05-27 <bjoswald> The new Ubuntu Touch animation preview video is amazing <bjoswald> I wish I could get it going on my Kindle Fire 2 #ubuntu-discuss 2013-05-28 <Data-D> Hello <Noskcaj> I'm going to make an Ubuntu themed PC, with many case mods. is it possible for me to get sponsored by canonical or a community member? <Noskcaj> The PC will then be used for testing Ubuntu, seeding the ubuntu torrent downloads and running folding@home (a cancer prevention mass processing program made by stanford university) <Noskcaj> I'm going to make an Ubuntu themed PC, with many case mods. is it possible for me to get sponsored by canonical or a community member? <Noskcaj> The PC will then be used for testing Ubuntu, seeding the ubuntu torrent downloads and running folding@home (a cancer prevention mass processing program made by stanford university) #ubuntu-discuss 2013-05-31 <yellabs-r2> hello there <yellabs-r2> just came back from the bookshop, to my suprise i saw a linux magazine with an article on ubuntu <yellabs-r2> we are getting some bad press there about ubuntu ... <yellabs-r2> and its "choosen path" <yellabs-r2> http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Angst-and-Anxiety-Over-Ubuntus-Chosen-Path-78157.html <yellabs-r2> lets hope that there is some good press for ubuntu soon.. <yellabs-r2> :) <Calinou> good press? <Calinou> more like "zomg new mint" <yellabs-r2> what is zomg new mint ? <yellabs-r2> sounds fresh ... <Calinou> mint 15 was released 2 days ago <yellabs-r2> do you like mint more then ubuntu ? or would you like a mint to go with your ubuntu ? :) <Calinou> no, I use xubuntu <Calinou> and mint sucks because it's slow and takes ages to boot <yellabs-r2> lightweight <Calinou> even ubuntu is much faster than mint <yellabs-r2> windows 8 is faster too.. <yellabs-r2> :P <yellabs-r2> ah, i still love ubuntu ... <yellabs-r2> but the new chrome boook pixel, its neat too <Calinou> windows 8 is slower than a tweaked xubuntu <Calinou> also, laptops suck <yellabs-r2> its thought that desktop computers will be absolete soon.. <Calinou> you got my epic facepalm <Calinou> yellabs-r2: how about comparing desktop vs laptop hardware for more than three seconds? <Calinou> screen sizes? <Calinou> repairability/upgradability? <Calinou> the "tower" PC isn't going to die anytime soon <yellabs-r2> i agree with you , but market say's different, sales of smartphones / tablets are high... and desktop sales are lower each year.. <Calinou> say's => says <yellabs-r2> says * <yellabs-r2> i use old second hand desktops, haven not bought a new one in years .. <yellabs-r2> any way, thanks for the nice talk, i am off to do some work , take care, and have a nice day .. #ubuntu-discuss 2014-05-02 <rafaelpt> Is anyone here aware of the recent radeon uvd problems with the new kernel? <lotuspsychje> someone knows why trusty doesnt ask password for updates anymore? #ubuntu-discuss 2014-05-06 <Timberwolf> Where would I go to submit a codename suggestion? <Timberwolf> Where would I go to submit a codename suggestion? #ubuntu-discuss 2014-05-19 <lazarus_> hi 4 <lazarus_> hi* <lazarus_> i've been looking to optimise some code that i put together since i know there are like 100 ways to write shell scripts http://pastebin.com/1wsBDd8d #ubuntu-discuss 2014-05-20 <ShadoweD_> hi <ShadoweD_> good morning from Toronto <ShadoweD_> what are u running? <ShadoweD_> good, how are you ? <ShadoweD_> :) <ShadoweD_> zsxdcfv <lazarus_> what is the correct way to use zenity --progress because i dont think im doing it right unless you assign the % values manually which isnt accurate #ubuntu-discuss 2014-05-23 <agd> how much is 39835MB <m0v0nage> divide by 1024 if you want GB #ubuntu-discuss 2014-05-26 <Agd_Scorp> If I take Commerce in O-Levels (CIE) and then keep doing Commerce to A-Levels, and then on the university-level. Can I make a shift to Computer Science? <robin2> Not much going on here? #ubuntu-discuss 2014-05-28 <UbuBen> anyone here? <UbuBen> helloooooooo! <UbuBen> nothing but bots i guess <ububen> hi anyone alive here? <DJones> ububen: The channel doesn't have much discussion <DJones> If you need support, better asking in #ubuntu, if its general chat maybe #ubuntu-offtopic <ububen> i tried #ubuntu, but didn't get an answer, i'll try the other option. How do I change to it from here? is there a command? <DJones> Use "/join #channelname" <ububen> thanks #ubuntu-discuss 2014-05-29 <DJones> csdeop DJones #ubuntu-discuss 2015-05-01 <lordievader> Good morning. <BluesKaj> Hey all <Pakemania> hey <lordievader> o/ <daftykins> hmm just had a nice plug and play experience with a logitech C525 webcam on a 12.04 machine up at a clients <daftykins> just had to drag the microphone sensitivity up in sound settings and it's perfect in skype :O <lotuspsychje> afternoon to all <lordievader> o/ <daftykins> hallo <lotuspsychje> :p <daftykins> i was just mentioning my plug and play experience with a logitech C525 webcam on a 12.04 machine up at a clients <daftykins> despite a guy in #ubuntu just last night saying his didn't work 0o <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje, daftykins <lotuspsychje> ellow <daftykins> greets <daftykins> angry bekks :( <cfhowlett> and yet and still, my custom ubottu "Samuel L. Jackon bitchslap for hell" irc script was rejected <daftykins> aww <cfhowlett> as was the SLJ "ENGLISH!" script <daftykins> there's just no justice, cfhowlett :( <cfhowlett> LOL <cfhowlett> true <daftykins> aaaah, nice smooth switch over for my IRC client from 10.04.4 -> 14.04.2 <daftykins> time to retire ol' lucid i think ;_; #ubuntu-discuss 2015-05-02 <lotuspsychje> good afternoon <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: hello mate <BluesKaj> Hiyas all <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje , how goes it ? <lotuspsychje> fine mate and you? <BluesKaj> good here <spenmenn> Hello? <lordievader> o/ #ubuntu-discuss 2015-05-03 <lotuspsychje> morning to all <ablest1980> hello <ablest1980> hi <lordievader> Good morning. <lotuspsychje> good morning to all <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Entroware-Announces-Aura-a-Tiny-PC-That-Runs-Ubuntu-or-Ubuntu-MATE-15-04-479960.shtml <BluesKaj> Howdy all <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: hello mate <BluesKaj> Hey lotuspsychje <lotuspsychje> lazy sundays :p <BluesKaj> yup, taking it easy today :-) <daftykins> that site has some seriously poor writing <daftykins> "Open source distros bring the prices down, and they have become a more user-friendly. New users should have any major problems adapting to a new operating system." #ubuntu-discuss 2015-05-04 <daftykins> uuuuuuuuuugh why did i click =| <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: morning <daftykins> o/ <lotuspsychje> daftykins: hellow :p <daftykins> morning sir <daftykins> ugh you missed one of the lower points of the channel =| <daftykins> a bloody spammer linked to child porn again =| <lotuspsychje> what happened <lotuspsychje> ouch <lotuspsychje> who banned him? <daftykins> i did an !ops and thankfully Flannel showed up <lotuspsychje> why they always choose ubuntu to spam lol <daftykins> it's weird isn't it? ##windows i can imagine <daftykins> something genuinely hated <lotuspsychje> lol <daftykins> but volunteers helping for free for a Linux distro, just don't get it <lotuspsychje> maybe MS hired freaks to spam haha <daftykins> there are those who don't like the way the channel is run, of course <daftykins> XD <lotuspsychje> we are getting power worldwide with ubuntu now <lotuspsychje> some might not be happy about that <daftykins> the pretentious might have a problem with the masses using Linux yeah <daftykins> i've attracted a few fans in my time that come in just trying to troll me, that's for sure <lotuspsychje> lolz <daftykins> it's funny, sometimes you can spend 3 hours straight helping someone get ubuntu installed on their machine <daftykins> but a next user comes in and you call them out for being too lazy to even google their problem - and you get a fan for life :P <lotuspsychje> yeah i never get that <lotuspsychje> loool <daftykins> not sure if you have this phrase us Brit-ish types do, "no good deed goes unpunished" <lotuspsychje> well at the end we have a good felling upon ourselfs thats the only thing that matters to me <daftykins> mmm, puzzle solving can be ace <lotuspsychje> and we learn much ourselfs <daftykins> definitely - i mean i don't even USE ubuntu 8D <lotuspsychje> oh really <daftykins> desktop anyway ;D <lotuspsychje> wich distro? <daftykins> *cough* Windows <lotuspsychje> :p <daftykins> my ubuntu exposure is primarily servers <lotuspsychje> you game? <daftykins> mostly on consoles as i have friends too poor to buy PCs :) <daftykins> nah the majority of my work remains on Windows desktops so that's where my skills must stay <lotuspsychje> ic <daftykins> although it's a little worrying that i can still suggest reasonable solutions to Linux desktop queries people in other channels have, even when surrounded by people who use Linux desktops 24/7 <daftykins> e.g. someone installed Linux for their mother back home, wanted to setup remote access... but that mother still took her laptop out and about occasionally <daftykins> so i said configure a static IP for the home wifi network via network manager <daftykins> nobody else had a clue :( <daftykins> i feel bad for kind of "ringing my own bell" there as we say, but it just shocked me that 24/7 Linux desktop types had no idea how to tackle that problem <lotuspsychje> :p <lotuspsychje> i try a mix of windows and ubuntu, but prefer to install ubuntu as its a long term solution <daftykins> there is that, all the people i help are locked into some proprietary software or another though <daftykins> and i would never put ubuntu in for anyone because i simply couldn't support it without using it myself <lotuspsychje> some ppl also dont understand ubuntu <lotuspsychje> but most multimedia use, have no troubles <lotuspsychje> my dad is 78 and never managed to crash ubuntu desktop yet :p <lotuspsychje> before i had to come fix windows every month <daftykins> i just remember back in the gnome 2 era, pre unity, when ubuntu couldn't even keep panel elements in the same places between boots <lotuspsychje> lol <daftykins> bit shocking :/ <lotuspsychje> we come a long way indeed <lotuspsychje> i remember strugling on old redhat cdroms to get my internet working <lotuspsychje> but it fascinated me alot <daftykins> :D <daftykins> shared internet connections behind routers with wired or wifi definitely made it way easier for the modern generations <lotuspsychje> yeah true <daftykins> i think the first Linux i played with i was just missing my music collection <lotuspsychje> amarok :p <daftykins> i think it was stick on separate disks at the time <daftykins> and being too newb i would've had no idea how to mount some NTFS volume, if you even could back then <lotuspsychje> lolz <lotuspsychje> lol <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-World-s-First-Ubuntu-Powered-Drone-is-Here-Video-480010.shtml <lordievader> Good morning. <BluesKaj> Hiyas all #ubuntu-discuss 2015-05-05 <daftykins> heh i just stumbled upon some flash drives online - Â£2.74 GBP for 8GB USB 3.0 <lotuspsychje> morning to all <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/05/ubuntu-15-10-name-announced <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, I was rather hoping for Wiley Coyote but what the hey ... <lotuspsychje> lol <lotuspsychje> meep meep <lotuspsychje> now its that wolf from dragonball Z <lordievader> Good morning. <BluesKaj> Hiyas all #ubuntu-discuss 2015-05-06 <daftykins> damn we have a pair of jokers in this evening <EriC^^> hehe <EriC^^> yeah <EriC^^> insit. <EriC^^> :P <lotuspsychje> morning to all <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/05/new-ubuntu-laptops-available-from-ebuyer-2-2 <lordievader> Good morning. <BluesKaj> Hi folks <lordievader> o/ <lotuspsychje> hi BluesKaj and lordievader <lotuspsychje> what you guys think of this: <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/05/new-ubuntu-laptops-available-from-ebuyer-2-2 <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje <lordievader> Specs are a bit disappointing. <lotuspsychje> cheap hp indeed, but prices are good no? <lotuspsychje> and atheros wifi chipset isnt my dream scenario either :p <lordievader> They are a bit cheaper (about 100 euros). <lotuspsychje> i think with intel wifi and samsung pro 850 ssd, those machines would rock <BluesKaj> the specs are only slightly disappointing for the price points IMO, if they offerd intel cpu and graphics instead of amd then they'd be spot on. <BluesKaj> and BCM wifi <lotuspsychje> yeah <lotuspsychje> well i dont like broadcom chipsets neither <lordievader> The only Broadcom I have supports master mode, quite happy with that :) <BluesKaj> I paid $500 Canadian in Dec 2013 for a Lenovo G500 with intel i3 and their gpu with BCM wifi and I'm very happy with it's performance <lotuspsychje> my broadcom keeps dropping wifi <lotuspsychje> no matter wich firmware/driver i try <BluesKaj> haven't had a problelm with the BCM4313 driver wise on Kubuntu <lotuspsychje> on a cheap aspire one netbook that is <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: wich module loaded for you? <lotuspsychje> here's mine: <lotuspsychje> *-network <lotuspsychje> description: Wireless interface <lotuspsychje> product: BCM4313 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter <lotuspsychje> vendor: Broadcom Corporation <lotuspsychje> physical id: 0 <lotuspsychje> bus info: pci@0000:07:00.0 <lotuspsychje> logical name: wlan1 <lotuspsychje> version: 01 <lotuspsychje> serial: 38:59:f9:4f:cd:d7 <lotuspsychje> width: 64 bits <lordievader> !paste <ubot5> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. <lotuspsychje> clock: 33MHz <lotuspsychje> capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list ethernet physical wireless <lotuspsychje> configuration: broadcast=yes driver=wl0 driverversion=502.619.2016 (r487574) ip=502.619.2016 latency=0 multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11abg <lotuspsychje> resources: irq:19 memory:f0100000-f0103fff <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, what command generated that output? <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: sudo lshw -C network <BluesKaj> pastebin.ca/2997245 <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: think you got a wrong paste <lotuspsychje> ah nvm <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: also same driver=wl0 driverversion=502.619.2016 (r487574 <lotuspsychje> my wifi drops out every 5min i have to recconect, but strange thing is irc keeps connected <lordievader> lotuspsychje: Irc has a rather long timeout ;) <lotuspsychje> yeah that might be it <lotuspsychje> syslog and dmesg show nothing usefull on my wifi drops either.. <lotuspsychje> its weird <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, then i suspect you have a network manager indicator problem ..perhaps you're wifi isn't dropping out at all <lordievader> lotuspsychje: wpa_supplicant \o/ <lordievader> Get down to the nitty gritty :D <lotuspsychje> hmm that sounds logic <lotuspsychje> bbl guys <BluesKaj> greetings cfhowlett <cfhowlett> BluesKaj, yowza^2 <BluesKaj> what's up ? <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: nihao! <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, greetings! <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: did you see new omgubuntu article: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/05/new-ubuntu-laptops-available-from-ebuyer-2-2 <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, I did see that. I still prefer to avoid AMD stuff ... <lotuspsychje> yeah i know its rather cheap stuff, but its HP <lotuspsychje> and its cheap :p <lordievader> HP has two lines of laptops that are excellent. <lotuspsychje> lordievader: wich ones? <lordievader> The Probook and Elitebook lines. <lordievader> None of that crappy plastic stuff. <lotuspsychje> ill keep that in mind for the future <lotuspsychje> never had an email back from hp : ( <cfhowlett> I want to like and trust HP but ... <lotuspsychje> but? <cfhowlett> My one and only laptop crapout was an hp/compaq. bad taste in mouth remains. <lotuspsychje> :p <lotuspsychje> ablest1980: howdy <lotuspsychje> ablest1980: set to your favs :p <ablest1980> lotuspsychje howdy <ablest1980> done <ablest1980> XP <lotuspsychje> cool <ablest1980> i was just playing cs i said to them bbl i uninstall cs and steam lol <lotuspsychje> okay <ablest1980> do you play chess? <lotuspsychje> no i play Go online <lotuspsychje> dont like chess too much <ablest1980> ok <lotuspsychje> i was an oldskool gamer <lotuspsychje> sof2 back in the days :p <ablest1980> i had that game <ablest1980> i mostly play rtcw then <lotuspsychje> cool <lotuspsychje> played a lot of UT2003 also <ablest1980> cool <BluesKaj> yeah, I had an acer laptop with amd processorsand it ran ok till it physically fell apart after 3 yrs ...learned my lesson, it was inexpensive ...pay the extra 100bucks or so for better quality <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: thats smart indeed, invest in better hardware <ablest1980> i order ram from amazon im waiting confirmation of shipment <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, for sure <lotuspsychje> thats the reason i like those samsung ssd's <BluesKaj> ablest1980, I'm very happy with the RAM deal i got on Amazon <ablest1980> XD <lotuspsychje> ok showertime here <lotuspsychje> bbl <ablest1980> ok <lotuspsychje> see u tonightz <ablest1980> ok <BluesKaj> upped our old desktops from 4 to 6G each...definitely makes a difference <ablest1980> ill be 4 to 8gb <ablest1980> two 4gb <BluesKaj> ablest1980, right <BluesKaj> that little bit extra headroom in our case <ablest1980> XD <ablest1980> hello how do i use gnome after installation <ablest1980> !gnome <ubot5> GNOME was the default desktop environment on Ubuntu up to 10.10. To install the GNOME Shell, type [ sudo apt-get install gnome-shell ] in a !terminal. For the GNOME-based !flavor of Ubuntu, see !ubuntu-gnome <ablest1980> !ubuntu-gnome <ubot5> Ubuntu GNOME is a supported !flavor of Ubuntu that uses !GNOME as the default desktop environment instead of Unity. For more info or to download, see http://www.ubuntugnome.org/ or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/OneStopPage <lordievader> ablest1980: Support is in #ubuntu ;) <ablest1980> oops wrong room <ablest1980> lol <ablest1980> eric only thing change was login screen it gnome now but after system logo i see purple screen purple passphrase screen and purple desktop wallpaper <ablest1980> oops <ablest1980> wrong channel <lotuspsychje> :p <ablest1980> wb <lotuspsychje> tnx <lotuspsychje> eric is in this channel sometimes also <lotuspsychje> he also might forget to add to favs <ablest1980> XD <ablest1980> i installed gnome <ablest1980> i still see some unity though <ablest1980> do you know how to fix this? <daftykins> ablest1980: this is not the support channel, so please don't use it as such. <ablest1980> ok * daftykins looks at the topic <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: ellow :p <OerHeks> hoi lotus <lotuspsychje> how was openstack <OerHeks> Nice presentation :-) <lotuspsychje> what they say about snappy? <OerHeks> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6885560/2015-Openstack-amsterdam.JPG <lotuspsychje> lets c :p <OerHeks> Nothing about snappy, just MAAS, JUJU, CHEF, Openstack <lotuspsychje> markyyyy :p <OerHeks> :-D <lotuspsychje> interesting? <OerHeks> And me https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6885560/2015-Vondelpark-boompje.JPG <lotuspsychje> cool pic <lotuspsychje> dutch speakers also? <OerHeks> Vondelpark, long time beeing there. <OerHeks> Very few, allwas in English <lotuspsychje> kk <lotuspsychje> daftykins: did you see those on omgubuntu? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/05/new-ubuntu-laptops-available-from-ebuyer-2-2 * OerHeks seen that, awesome <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: how many hours presentation? <OerHeks> 9:30-11:45 <lotuspsychje> not so bad then <OerHeks> 50 km trip on my bicycle <lotuspsychje> wow <lotuspsychje> you had to waky waky at 5? <OerHeks> 6, on the bike on 7 <lotuspsychje> nice ride :p <daftykins> lotuspsychje: yeah, super low end craptops though <OerHeks> Going by bus/train didn't save me time. <lotuspsychje> daftykins: yeah but very cheap and ubuntu! <daftykins> AMD :( <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: good ol bike is the best :p <lotuspsychje> daftykins: i know mate, but better this then a craptop chromebook <daftykins> :D <lotuspsychje> if you go intel i3 or i5 that will turn the price up <OerHeks> AMD A10 is not that bad. <lotuspsychje> i think if you plugin samsung 850 pro in those laptops, they will rock <daftykins> ebuyer are still doing the Lenovo B50-70 that i got for Â£208 delivered with a free inkjet printer 0o <lotuspsychje> lol <lotuspsychje> cheap stuff <daftykins> Â£21 to double the RAM to 8GB, then pop in an SSD and weeeee <daftykins> only downside is 15" but still 1366x768 <daftykins> i really can't stand that res anymore <lotuspsychje> netbook res :p <daftykins> mmm not quite so bad <daftykins> true netbooks were more 1024x600 iirc <lotuspsychje> oh right <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@R00TB0X:~$ xrandr --current <lotuspsychje> Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1366 x 768, maximum 8192 x 8192 <lotuspsychje> LVDS connected primary 1366x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 256mm x 144mm <lotuspsychje> 1366x768 60.0*+ <lotuspsychje> my acer aspire one netbook :p <daftykins> i did get an 11" Asus one for an ex that was this res too, pretty sure it was the minority though <lotuspsychje> hi daffykans! * daftykins is now known as daffykans <lotuspsychje> wahaha <lotuspsychje> thats for all your good support <daftykins> i think my other favourite was draftykins <daftykins> very apt in winter <lotuspsychje> lolz <daftykins> this guys general idiocy is angering me <daftykins> "it dun work, halp" =| <daftykins> sometimes they lure you in with minor config edits, then suddenly you're neck deep in package management woes D: <OerHeks> first "VividVervet> I was having trouble mounting Windows partition in read only mode. " now it readonly ... #ubuntu-discuss 2015-05-07 <ablest1980> hello <lotuspsychje> ablest1980: hi mate <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Playing-Windows-Games-on-Linux-Is-Easier-with-PlayOnLinux-4-2-7-480393.shtml <ablest1980> Last failed attempt from: {{EMAIL+PHONE}} on May 06 23:48:50 2015. <lotuspsychje> whats that <ablest1980> i seen that when i identify my nick <ablest1980> someone tried my nick <lotuspsychje> maybe ask in ##freenode <ablest1980> done <ablest1980> <ablest1980> i got Last failed attempt from: {{EMAIL+PHONE}} on May 06 23:48:50 2015. when identifying my nick <ablest1980> <Grundy> a lot of people do ablest1980 <ablest1980> <Grundy> thecholbs has been trying to hijack accounts it seems <lotuspsychje> :o <ablest1980> lol <ablest1980> bbl <lotuspsychje> kk <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: hello mate :p <lotuspsychje> how are you <EriC^^> great you? <lotuspsychje> fine tnx <lotuspsychje> early support :p <EriC^^> :D <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: did you see those machines? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/05/new-ubuntu-laptops-available-from-ebuyer-2-2 <EriC^^> nice <EriC^^> pretty cheap too <lotuspsychje> yeah, not the greatest hardware, but still cheap :p <lotuspsychje> its a good thing to make ubuntu boxes cheaper then windows ones <EriC^^> yeah true <EriC^^> needs a smaller ssd instead of the 1tb hdd and it would be almost perfect <lotuspsychje> i also thought so, samsung pro 850 and those boxes would rocknroll! <EriC^^> :D <lotuspsychje> i find it real weird, so many manufacturers still use mechanical hd's <EriC^^> yeah <lordievader> Good morning. <daftykins> o/ <BluesKaj> Howdy folks <daftykins> o/ <daftykins> adsjlkdk is a known troll, FYI <OerHeks> i remember that ip thanks <daftykins> :) #ubuntu-discuss 2015-05-08 <lotuspsychje> good morning <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-16-04-LTS-to-Use-Systemd-s-Networkd-Instead-of-Ifupdown-480536.shtml <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: nihao :p <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, greetings!@ <lotuspsychje> how are you mate <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, enjoying life. you? <lotuspsychje> great here tnx <BluesKaj> Hiyas all <daftykins> oh my Tux what a complete idiot <daftykins> O_O <daftykins> supply answer, "no i won't do it" <daftykins> wat? <ki7mt> man, that dude must have a comprehension issue :-) <daftykins> i'm really getting so frustrated <ki7mt> LOL .. been there too :-) <daftykins> i've said exactly what's been needed first time every time and instead we get these hour long breaks of him/her going off on massive tangents <daftykins> EriC^^: ah there you are :P <daftykins> this guy is a nightmare <ki7mt> I ahve like 10 RPI2 boxes, he's be better off just re-imaging the thing and start over, and copy the small number of files in /home/$USER that he wants to restore. <daftykins> yeah i didn't realise it was just user data he was after <daftykins> due to the... breaks in communication <daftykins> the thing is, we can't get the damned parted output out of him <daftykins> so he's making this an absolute misery <ki7mt> Yeah, you asked for the partd data like 5 times he wont pastebinit <daftykins> "oh noes mah super secret dataz" <EriC^^> :D <ki7mt> Porn :-) <daftykins> EriC^^: http://techblo.gg/stuff/blargh.PNG <daftykins> bearing in mind that was an hour ago :( <EriC^^> :D <daftykins> much facepalm <OerHeks> daftykins, our best friend is back * daftykins looks <ki7mt> I don't understand how burning a Raspbian image to an SD card is a Ubuntu support issue <daftykins> it's not, but we're a charity after all ;) <ki7mt> lol .. indeed <daftykins> oh my Tux that was a bombshell <OerHeks> because there is always a fool who answers, i really understand some early helpers now. <EriC^^> i dont know anything about raspberry pi's <daftykins> hmm? :) <EriC^^> i dont get why he has to backup his hdd to fix the router issue then dd it back <daftykins> nah there's nothing about router from what i understand, though i've been ignoring him for a while now <daftykins> just wants to backup the SD card that raspberry pis run from <EriC^^> oh ok <ki7mt> The Raspbian image is a Debian compressed image file burned to a FAT32 SD card. I think there is a Ubuntu-MATE image for it now also. <ki7mt> All he really needs to do is SCP his $HOME directory, re-image the SD card, and copy it back. <daftykins> and now we know he won't due to laziness :( <daftykins> MTP still seems to be an ongoing joke in Linux land, eh? <daftykins> always someone coming in with an android device that can't mount it <ki7mt> Yes, that's the whoel thing in a nushell, he "didn't want to SSH" to the RPI box. <daftykins> why does lsfret seem to have half a clue now 0o * daftykins blinks <OerHeks> Someone should make a startx script to avoid these issues .. <OerHeks> * as standard. <daftykins> haha <OerHeks> or make an ubottu factoid for it <daftykins> the ops have ignored every single edit and every single factoid creation i've suggested. <daftykins> i don't know who is in charge of it <OerHeks> i think we need to go to #ubot93 ?? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots <ki7mt> I'm not sure who is in charge of Factoids these days. <daftykins> i've wanted to replace !ati with !amd for months <ki7mt> I think your RPI image friend is back daftykins :-) <daftykins> HOLD ME BACK, BOYS <daftykins> :D <OerHeks> "didn't you get a hamer with that rPI ?" <ki7mt> fgrew is the guy you were working with earlier daftykins :-) <ki7mt> but using a different name <daftykins> *nod* <daftykins> could tell due to the utterly terrible English <ki7mt> Yeah, and the Raspbian image name "image'+date'+.img gave it away <ki7mt> That'w why I backed off it real quick, was not going down that rat hole again. <daftykins> :D <daftykins> hrmm i am really not keen on this idea of snappy replacing all .deb packages <daftykins> granted it may be far away, but it doesn't sound wise * ki7mt thinks It's gonna cause allot of folks to run from Ubuntu <daftykins> i agree <ki7mt> I like Snappy, for mobi apps, but I'm not so sure about desktop use. The again, I just started playing with it. #ubuntu-discuss 2015-05-09 <lotuspsychje> good morning to all <OerHeks> huh, is it morning again? <OerHeks> hi lotuspsychje <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: hello mate :p <daftykins> yep - a sign i should not be here <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubunchu-Is-the-Only-Ubuntu-Manga-Out-There-and-It-s-Quite-Good-480581.shtml <lotuspsychje> lol <lotuspsychje> daftykins: goto bed! :p <daftykins> yes sir * daftykins heads upstairs <lotuspsychje> :p <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Dell-Precision-M3800-Is-a-Very-Powerful-Laptop-That-Ships-with-Ubuntu-14-04-LTS-480628.shtml <OerHeks> ohh Price starts from Â£1,978 ... without windows 2 <lotuspsychje> pricy stuff <OerHeks> 1 year guarantee .. we Dutch do not take that, we have the right at least 3 years <OerHeks> :-D <lotuspsychje> yeah indeed <lotuspsychje> hardware in belgium is 2 years garantuee <OerHeks> mr Kim flushed the toilet on his sub: missile away! http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/08/asia/north-korea-missile-test/index.html <BluesKaj> Hiyas all <lotuspsychje> good afternoon guys <BluesKaj> Hey lotuspsychje <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: hey mate <lotuspsychje> how are you today <BluesKaj> fine thanks lotuspsychje , and how are you doing? <lotuspsychje> great thank you <lotuspsychje> ubuntu is so good, nobody has issues anymore in main :p <cfhowlett> well, unless they do something radical like switch the location of buttons or something equally provocative. <lotuspsychje> :p <lotuspsychje> yeah the most troubles occur by trying something they should not <ablest1980> hello lotuspsychje <lotuspsychje> ablest1980: hi there <ablest1980> im back on unity <lotuspsychje> unity is nice :p <ablest1980> yes <ablest1980> i dont like gnome <cfhowlett> ablest1980, no likes gnomes <ablest1980> lol <ablest1980> XD * BluesKaj remains a KDE guy despite all the eye candy available on ubuntu :-) * lotuspsychje loves eyecandy <BluesKaj> KDE has some nice themes. but I like simple and easy to read settings <BluesKaj> I'm a bit old fashioned <OerHeks> i wanna be a server-hippy, beng beng <OerHeks> daftykins, i have a typing degree, but you are too fast :-D <daftykins> lol <daftykins> i'm on my sketchy laptop too <daftykins> sorry if it's a bit frustrating, me treading on your toes :) <OerHeks> np, people like multiple answers that look the same <daftykins> ^_^ <daftykins> attitude on these mac owners, dear me #ubuntu-discuss 2015-05-10 * daftykins shakes his head <OerHeks> yes or no ? <daftykins> :P <OerHeks> Obriendave is a spoiler, grrrr <daftykins> i don't even see the point in pasting that info <lotuspsychje> good morning <daftykins> o/ <daftykins> i'm up late again :( <lotuspsychje> daftykins: hello mate :p <lotuspsychje> daftykins: is weekend dont worry <daftykins> ^_^ <lotuspsychje> late night irc is the best :p <daftykins> hehe it's the only kind! <daftykins> kill me now. <lotuspsychje> :p <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: morning :p <cfhowlett> I'm missing all the fun --- already /ignored <cfhowlett> hey lotuspsychje <daftykins> ^_^ <ubuntu-discuss> HEEEEEEEEEELOOOOOOOOOOOO >) <BluesKaj> Hey folks #ubuntu-discuss 2015-05-11 <lotuspsychje> good morning <daftykins> hi sir o/ <lotuspsychje> daftykins: hello mate <daftykins> how goes it? <lotuspsychje> fine tnx, and you? <daftykins> yeah not too shabby :D though still up at this insane hour once again <lotuspsychje> :p <daftykins> this LMNOP is a friggin' nutjob <lotuspsychje> hmm never seen him b4 <daftykins> basically just does this bot style 'hi' but i don't think ever helps anyone <lotuspsychje> lol <BluesKaj> Hiyas all <golf44> what's the oldest hardware you've got ubuntu currently running on? #ubuntu-discuss 2015-05-12 <lotuspsychje> good morning <daftykins> o/ <ablest1980> gm <lotuspsychje> daftykins and ablest1980 hello :p <ablest1980> hello XP <lotuspsychje> you guys bought the ubuntu freidge yet :p <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/05/meet-the-smart-fridge-that-runs-ubuntu <daftykins> hrmm i best quit to boot into a newer kernel <ablest1980> lol <lotuspsychje> daftykins: why's that? <daftykins> just updates on 14.04 <daftykins> that's what my IRC client runs from <lotuspsychje> im on trusty too <daftykins> it was days ago but i've been putting it off <daftykins> got the -52 to boot into :) <lotuspsychje> hmm alot of ubuntu news today <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/User-Suggests-There-Might-be-Spyware-in-Ubuntu-Instructs-Others-to-Compile-the-OS-480844.shtml <daftykins> o0 <daftykins> we get trolls claiming that all the time :D <lotuspsychje> amazon again... <lotuspsychje> that isnt real spyware <daftykins> sounds like that guy is claiming it's something else? * ablest1980 is a troll :( <lotuspsychje> daftykins: well i recently asked in offtopic how canonical counted users worldwide with ubuntu installed <lotuspsychje> some think they have a specialized way they wont tell <daftykins> =/ <lotuspsychje> but i dont think its spyware <daftykins> something just phoning home then at the very least <daftykins> or could just be unique IPs to repos <lotuspsychje> yeah, and the ubuntu phones were also counted im sure <lotuspsychje> so some ppl just dont like ubuntu goes big now... <ablest1980> hello <daftykins> you again <ablest1980> lol <ablest1980> XD <ablest1980> im lotuspsychje guest * daftykins stares at lotuspsychje <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: morning <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, yowza!^2 <ablest1980> hello lotuspsychje <BluesKaj> Hiyas all <kernel24> What would be the best solution to optimize the Linux kernel for older computers? <BluesKaj> kernel24, maybe a lighter flavour like lubuntu or xubunru <kernel24> That just hasa lighter desktop environment, the kernel is not lighter <BluesKaj> kernel24, if the default kernel wom't suffice then a lighter desktop is probly the only alternative, because a modded kernel will break your systerm after thenxt kernel upgrade, unless of course you don't upgrade it #ubuntu-discuss 2015-05-13 <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/i908btv49l989q2/IMG_20150513_005611.jpg?dl=0 <daftykins> too many questions, break time <OerHeks> got new shoes https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6885560/Keukenhof2015-grotepoten.JPG <daftykins> :D <daftykins> ugh schrodingersscat assuming misleading newbies <OerHeks> raw is a photo, nothing else.. <OerHeks> well, we bite our tongue, daftykins <OerHeks> :-D <daftykins> that guy is a total nutjob, won't share where this thing is from O_O <daftykins> hah <daftykins> yeah i'm not so good at that part :P <OerHeks> If someone abuses me like that, i stop helping him/het/it. <daftykins> *nod* definitely not the deserving kind of helpee <OerHeks> Someday we come to a point, where helpseekers should be muted untill a helper/helpers are ready. <OerHeks> Then again, lots of times it goes well. <daftykins> hmm, yeah i have seen channels that work like that, using voicing <OerHeks> like that est31, complaining, but if you were in #kubuntu, you'll read stuff you don't believe... <daftykins> is it worse over there? <OerHeks> manually downloading a deb, from a ppa, then saying nothing about that in #ubuntu. <OerHeks> No, usually it is beter and smoother than #ubuntu. <daftykins> hrmm <OerHeks> People take windows/ios/android for granted, but if Ubuntu does something logical, man,... <OerHeks> Sorry for this outburst to you :-D <daftykins> hehe no it's interesting <daftykins> it's great having this channel now and not having to just suffer in silence at the #ubuntards <lotuspsychje> good morning <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: good morning <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje <lotuspsychje> new snappy devices: https://insights.ubuntu.com/?p=11485 <lotuspsychje> oO <lotuspsychje> 2 eric ip's :p <EriC^> hehe <EriC^> cool <lotuspsychje> well im not such a fan of internet of things, <lotuspsychje> but rather have it secure with ubuntu core, then something else <EriC^> yeah, that's a pretty cool refrigerator O.o <EriC^> i heard the new apt will be called snappy <lotuspsychje> yeah ive read somewhere they want snappy everywhere <lotuspsychje> https://twitter.com/ubuntu <lotuspsychje> the webupd8 tweet <EriC^> http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/more-stable-future-ubuntu <lotuspsychje> yep thats it <lotuspsychje> hmmm interesting security differences <EriC^> yeah snappy core seems cool <EriC^> did you try it? <lotuspsychje> no <lotuspsychje> not sure if it works on just laptop/desktop? <lotuspsychje> maybe its like a minimal ubuntu or so? <EriC^> yeah it seems for embedded stuff <lotuspsychje> i think manufacturers need some more building for their specific device with snappy <EriC^> http://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/start/#snappy-local <EriC^> seems pretty cool it's 100mb or so <EriC^> i'm d/ling :> <lotuspsychje_> lol <EriC^> never tried kvm before <lotuspsychje_> me neither <lotuspsychje_> kvm, lvm, encryption,.. <EriC^> uncompresses into a 500mb image <lotuspsychje_> wow <lotuspsychje> EriC^: surely let me know how that works out :p <lotuspsychje> on wich device are you installing? <EriC^> just locally <EriC^> just installed the kvm thing package <lotuspsychje> thats like virtualbox thingy? <EriC^> yeah i typed the kvm command and it opened another window like a terminal and it booted as if a live session to a tty <lotuspsychje> cool <EriC^> i'm supposed to ssh into it now but ssh isn't working locally on my machine dunno why <EriC^> sucks <lotuspsychje> hmm <EriC^> i have ssh installed but when i ssh usually i get May 13 10:27:04.618 [warn] Got SOCKS5 status response '4': host is unreachable <EriC^> port is open though for the kvm thing qemu-syst 18675 e 8u IPv4 489326 0t0 TCP *:8022 (LISTEN) <lotuspsychje> i think lordievader knows alot of that stuff <lotuspsychje> lordievader: waky waky!!! <lotuspsychje> socks5 is proxy right, maybe its blocking? <EriC^> dunno i tried purging ssh and reinstalling, didn't work <lotuspsychje> !info virt-viewer <lotuspsychje> maybe this can help in some way <ubot5> virt-viewer (source: virt-viewer): Displaying the graphical console of a virtual machine. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-1 (vivid), package size 193 kB, installed size 1988 kB <EriC^> interesting it works with another user <EriC^> if i login to another user and ssh into it it works <lotuspsychje> hmm <EriC^> also if i ssh into my user from that one it works <lotuspsychje> what about this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Access <EriC^> removed ~/.ssh and it works now <lotuspsychje> !yay <ubot5> Glad you made it! :-) <EriC^> :D <EriC^> kvm seems cool and pretty quick <EriC^> anyways it got boring hehe <lotuspsychje> cool, never used myself <EriC^> snappy seems state of the art though and has lots of new features <EriC^> will be interesting when it comes out <lotuspsychje> yeah im real curious too <lotuspsychje> the core of everything <EriC^> lotuspsychje: oh, heh the image thing uncompressed to 4gb <lotuspsychje> oO <EriC^> don't know if it's a glitch or something cause of disk usage <lotuspsychje> did it update in some way also? <EriC^> nope <lotuspsychje> pretty interesting snappy :p <BluesKaj> Howdy folks #ubuntu-discuss 2015-05-14 <lotuspsychje> good morning to all <OerHeks> hello douwtrapper :-D <lotuspsychje> lol <OerHeks> gÃ³Ã³Ã³Ã³dmorning to you too <lotuspsychje> tnx :p <OerHeks> I hope shops will open, i ran out of sugar <lotuspsychje> lol, no suga coffee for you <daftykins> o/ <daftykins> :D <lotuspsychje> ellow <daftykins> i'm making a coffee just now, seems to be raining outside too as i see the sun come up <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/05/hp-launch-ubuntu-laptops-pcs-in-russia <lotuspsychje> ubuntu pc's showing up everywhere :p <OerHeks> no wonder, stocks are full, vendors grab anything to sell <OerHeks> Still they do not show enough machines without windows <lotuspsychje> true <lotuspsychje> my idea i have not seen yet <OerHeks> HP = business machines, i expected them to go with us <lotuspsychje> ubuntu + ssd + windowsless
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