#ubuntu 2005-03-01 <HrdwrBoB> bascule: if want a job at a crap newspaper <BockBilbo> have they decided that recently? <dtygel> people: does anyone know a link with a straight-forward explanation on how to setup apacha-php-mysql? <bascule> HrdwrBoB: ?? <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you might want to make a new directory /home/yourusername/music or similar <HrdwrBoB> bascule: SMH < * <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: then from the /mnt directory, do <HrdwrBoB> anyway, offtopic <thoreauputic> cp -a * <thoreauputic> oops <bascule> not really, two found by ubuntu devels .. <BockBilbo> tritium, do you know if its possible to add the debian menu to the applications menu? <tritium> BockBilbo, not that I'm aware of, no. <HrdwrBoB> bascule: debating the relative merits of different newspapers is offtopic, however <thoreauputic> cp -a /the dir/you/want /home/yourusername/music <shadeofgrey> that'll copy all of them? <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: it should <HrdwrBoB> shadeofgrey: though if it has a space <bascule> oh I see, I wondered why you said poor newspapers, was I off topic, was the news rubbish, I was being humourous(to me anyway) <HrdwrBoB> you will need quotes <HrdwrBoB> or to backspace the \ <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you might need to do one more thing - try that first but *only* the dir you need in /mnt <marioch> hello, does anyone knows a tool that can help to connect to one wireless lan with some settings and later change to another with different settings, I mean switch between them? <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: else you would copy your whole windows partition <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: not what you want <shadeofgrey> okay you can tell me if this is right then <shadeofgrey> im in /mnt/mp3 <kbrooks> yes <thoreauputic> OK <kbrooks> that is right <shadeofgrey> and i typed cp -a /mnt/mp3 /home/cryan/mp3 <kbrooks> C:/mp3 <shadeofgrey> thats right isnt it? <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: looks OK <thoreauputic> any errors? <thoreauputic> might take a while to complete the copy <thoreauputic> if it's abig dir <BockBilbo> thanks <BockBilbo> gnitee <shadeofgrey> if i hit ctrl-c will it stop? <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: yes but you don't want to stop it <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, yes <shadeofgrey> i want you to give me the command again but this time i want you to tell it to be verbose so i can see it copy each file <kbrooks> you cxan always press ^Z <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: that will mean you have an incomplete copy <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, -v <shadeofgrey> thats okay ill start it over <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, god damn it <bascule> HrdwrBoB: SMH == Sydney Morning Herald? <HrdwrBoB> bascule: yes <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: just wait for it to complete! <bascule> OK, I was very confused, also means shaking my head .. <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, cp -av ... <kbrooks> where ... is the file <kbrooks> er <HrdwrBoB> bascule: ahhh ok <kbrooks> directory. <thoreauputic> yes that will show what's happening <shadeofgrey> okay thats better <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: when you finish the copy, type exit to get out of root! <shadeofgrey> its going to take at least an hour <thoreauputic> how big is the directory? <shadeofgrey> it took 2 hours 15 minutes last time i moved the whole thing from one ntfs permission to another <shadeofgrey> its almost 70gig <thoreauputic> wow <shadeofgrey> its an mp3 collection thats taken 7 years to make <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: when it completes, you mightneed to check the permissions on /home/cryan/mp3 <shadeofgrey> okay <shadeofgrey> chmod right? <thoreauputic> if there's a problem, you do sudo chown cryan:cryan /home/cryan/mp3 <thoreauputic> that will ensure the dir belongs to you <thoreauputic> actually that should be chown -R cryan:cryan <shock> is there an osx user here? I want tu burn me an ubuntu.iso <thoreauputic> recursive <shock> *sigh* <shock> but how? <shadeofgrey> whats the linux eqivelant to nero burning rom? <thoreauputic> shock: known issues burning ubuntu iso in OS-X <shock> is there a way? <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: probably k3b - which is actually better than nero <shock> or a data cd even O_o <shadeofgrey> okay <shock> I am so used to nautilus-cd-burner *spoiled* <thoreauputic> shock: try the ubuntu forum - this has been discussed there i the ppc section <shock> k <shadeofgrey> listen thor thank you very much for helping me <shock> am doing just that right now <shock> i thought i might be missing something as easy as nautilus :P <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: no worries :) Hope it works out OK for you <shadeofgrey> well <shadeofgrey> i promised myself id learn linux <shadeofgrey> and by god im going to do it <shadeofgrey> forget windows man it aint worth it <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, i'll help you learn linux <thoreauputic> shock: there' s a disc burning utility, but it tends to crap out on the ubuntu iso for some reason :/ <bascule> you are certainly having your commitment checked :) <Pluk> great skype even works on amd64 <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, and why do you want to forget windows? <shadeofgrey> why? <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, why what? <shadeofgrey> because im sick of being billy's bitch <shadeofgrey> thats why <thoreauputic> hehe <shock> <thoreauputic> - and it shure looks like it wouldnt accept my RW <shock> *grml* <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, heh. CAN I HELP YOU LEARN LINUX OR NOT <shadeofgrey> kbrooks: OF COURSE YOU CAN . stop being insecure <sgteich> is there other files that need to be edited besides the XF86Config-4 file to get the screen resolution to 1600X1200? <thoreauputic> kbrooks: no need to shout ;) <shadeofgrey> aha! its almost to the classical music <shadeofgrey> excellent <shadeofgrey> it may be doneby dinner time <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, ok. you can ask me questions here (please prefix your questions with kbrooks: here) or pm me ;) <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: heh - hope it's going to the right directory ;) <shadeofgrey> thor: yeah you and me both. if not im screwed <shadeofgrey> nah <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, i said you can <shadeofgrey> if it came down to it id just reinstall ubuntu and start over <rambo> every like 4 seconds, my system pauses <thoreauputic> kbrooks: I discouraged him from pm ing on the grounds that more people can contribute in channel :) <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, YOU CAN ASK ME QUESTIONS ANYTIME. <shadeofgrey> rambo: peptol bysmol in the disk drive.... <shadeofgrey> THANKS! NOW FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST STOP SCREAMING! <thoreauputic> kbrooks: SPEAK UP _ WE CAN"T HEAR YOU! <dtygel> Folks: do you know this code? Does it work allright in ubuntu? It's: aptitude install apache php4 mysql-server <shadeofgrey> what a capslock slut <kbrooks> thoreauputic, well, if he has a personal questios, he can ask me in pm. :P * thoreauputic seconds shadeofgrey's motion <MobyTurbo> dtygel, you have the universe repository enabled? <thoreauputic> kbrooks: you mean sexual preferences and that kind of thing ? ;) <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, i just dropped the damn caps, cant you ask for anything more <shadeofgrey> kbrooks: your still a slut <kbrooks> thoreauputic, no. i mean my age etc <thoreauputic> :) <thoreauputic> 10? 11 ? <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, how am i a slut <thoreauputic> <joke> <shadeofgrey> kbrooks: you just are. you exude sluttiness <CarlK> whin I modprobe snd_es18xx i get "devfs_mk_dev: could not append to parent for sound/audio" <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: off topic <shadeofgrey> be one with your slut self <kbrooks> i just am? ..... <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, drop it <shadeofgrey> ...okay ill be good <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, be constructive. <thoreauputic> kbrooks,shadeofgrey - #ubuntu-offtopic <shadeofgrey> so okay... after the mp3s are done its on to trying tgo installthe invidia drivers <shadeofgrey> and then the burning program <kbrooks> thoreauputic, i dropped it. i do not want to talk about it thx <shadeofgrey> and then after that... i copy my novels <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, nautilus (?) has cd burning built in. <kbrooks> however, i refuse to install another copy of ubuntu "just because". <shock> lol... I think I found out a good way to burn cd's on osx.... "apt-get install cdrecord" *fg* <shock> letz see if it works <thoreauputic> shock: heh - Fink? <shock> jup * thoreauputic felt quite at home with Fink, being a Debian person <shadeofgrey> whats the newest ver of openoffice for linux? <hawke_> shadeofgrey: 2 <hawke_> shadeofgrey: beta <thoreauputic> only problem was, the versions available were kind of *old* <hawke_> shadeofgrey: or 1.1.3 <dtygel> mobyturbo: i really dont know. How do I know that? <shadeofgrey> uhoh <shadeofgrey> i killed the copy! <shadeofgrey> crap <thoreauputic> :( <shadeofgrey> okay how do i delete the mp3 folder in my home directory <popey> i have just swapped my monitor for a different one.. is there an easy way to reconfigure x without having to directly edit xf86config? <zoodayz> Hello all! <shock> hoi <shadeofgrey> okay wait. first... im in /home/cryan/mp3 how do i move up one directory <dtygel> hi zoodayz <Buff> cd .. <shock> er... now what is that cd-burner-device under osx.... *cough* <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: cd .. <thoreauputic> two dots <shadeofgrey> when i do "cd.." it says command not found <shadeofgrey> ahh <Buff> put a space in there <shadeofgrey> it needs a space <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, SPACE <thoreauputic> space between cd and dots <shadeofgrey> okay how do i delete the /mp3 dir? <shadeofgrey> dir <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, rm -rf <FR500> hello <thoreauputic> rm -rf mp3 <Buff> rm -rf mp3 <FR500> got standby and hibernation to work, now how do i make my Fn keys to work, none of them can be mapped to an action so i guess they are not detected or something <shadeofgrey> whats the -rf? <kbrooks> force <thoreauputic> recursive force <kbrooks> remove <Buff> recursively and forced <kbrooks> remove recursively <thoreauputic> get it right or bad things happen... <kbrooks> yes, get it right <kbrooks> note the word 'recursively' <shadeofgrey> i typed "rm -rf mp3" <Buff> and it went away right? <thoreauputic> OK from your home dir that should be fine <shadeofgrey> dir <kbrooks> shadeofgrey, cdup (means: cd .., alias cdup='cd ..') <thoreauputic> directory <shadeofgrey> okay its toast <thoreauputic> indeed it is <shadeofgrey> here we go <kbrooks> you can recover it..... <zoodayz> Just wanted to drop in and say to all I finally had a chance to try Ubuntu after trying alot of other distros out there and so far a verry nice OS keep up the good work all. <donna> has anyone else had Evoltuion not allow them to add appointments? <kbrooks> but i warn you <shadeofgrey> dont needto <kbrooks> ext3 doesnt let you recover any files. <thoreauputic> kbrooks: he's just going to re-copy it <donna> the appointment window comes up but I can't type in any of the fields <shadeofgrey> isnt recopying it faster? <kbrooks> yes <kbrooks> it was only a suggestion <shadeofgrey> okay guys <shadeofgrey> im off to go eat while this copies <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: I hope you took notes, cause I don't want to walk you through it again :) <shadeofgrey> ill be back <shadeofgrey> thor: i understand. i wouldnt ask you to repeat yourself <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: :) <kbrooks> heh <kbrooks> ok <salti> hi <hawke_> hi <salti> why does my system monitor read all processes as sleeping? Even the ones I'm using. <shock> LOL.... unix tools remain the best fallback <hawke_> salti: Most processes tend to spend a lot of time sleeping. <shock> burning my ubuntu-cd now =) <hawke_> salti: while waiting for user input... <salti> even when they are in use? <hawke_> salti: yes <salti> oh <hawke_> salti: try running an mp3 player or such <salti> I keep getting the error 'make sure hald is running'... <hawke_> salti: that should not sleep very much. <salti> I can't run mp3s <hawke_> salti: Oh <salti> i'm really new...can you tell? <hawke_> salti: Hehe, no problem.. <salti> hawke: you've given me hope! <hawke_> salti: Awesome. :-) <salti> how can i run mp3s? <salti> bare with me, please! <hawke_> salti: Enable the 'universe' repository (synaptic: Settings -> Repositories) <hawke_> salti: and .... <hawke_> salti: what media player are you using? <salti> I have grip installed, sound juicer ripper and something else...i was desparate <thoreauputic> salti: you will probably need to install gstreamer0.8-mad <salti> i didn't know which one to use <hawke_> salti: I like beep media player.. <salti> how do I do that? <salti> ok <thoreauputic> salti: you need the repository hawke_ suggested first <thoreauputic> salti: enable it as he said in the package manager <hawke_> thoreauputic: That only applies if using a program that uses gstreamer... <kzetts_> c.datakill.us 31337 sap2abac <mz2> huh? gnome-dictionary doesn't work <mz2> in hoary <mz2> oh, it just crashed randomly. does seem to work <thoreauputic> hawke_: well, OK - works for me here with rhythmbox anyway <thoreauputic> hawke_: beep and xmms seem fine too... <hawke_> thoreauputic: Aye...but I think beep and xmms don't use gstreamer. <thoreauputic> mpg123 and/or mpg321? <thoreauputic> and ogg123 maybe <CarlK> why am I asked "root pw for maintaince or enter to contineu)" when it boots? <salti> opened synaptic: Settings -> Repostories and 'universe' wasn't there <thoreauputic> I sem to have all those ... <CarlK> mn... It was the recovery kernel <salti> but everything that is in there was enabled <thoreauputic> salti: it should be - the other way is to edit /etc/apt/source.list <thoreauputic> salti: is this warty? <thoreauputic> hmm sorry /etc/apt/sources.list <salti> warty yes <thoreauputic> weird <salti> what do I do with /etc/apt/sources.list? sorry...really new <thoreauputic> salti: can I pm you? I could flood my list in there and you could use it as a template <hawke_> salti: Look for a line containing the word universe... <salti> thoreauputic: what's pm? and probably <hawke_> salti: pm == private message <thoreauputic> salti: usually you do sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list , uncomment the relevant lines, and save the file <salti> hawke: in synaptic? <thoreauputic> salti: :) I'll pm you OK? <salti> ok! <hawke_> salti: I'll let thoreauputic handle it. :-) <CarlK> swell... new boot error kinda thing: "warning! /etc/modprobe.conf exists but does not include /etc/rc.modules" (or something... it scrolled off and I can't find it in dmesg or messages... where should I look? <drazzy> hello, I have a question that I can hopefully get answered <drazzy> I just installed ubuntu and haven't been able to get sound working <drazzy> ubuntu recognizes my soundcard as ATI IXP <drazzy> has anyone had any problem with this card? <Orbo> so some friends of mine want to learn linux, I use gentoo now, but I got my bearings straight with ubuntu <CarlK> drazzy - does "aplay -l" show the card? <Orbo> do you think ubuntu is a good distro for a never used linux newbie? <CarlK> Orbo - yes <gcode> If you have patience it is. :) <gcode> I learned on Gentoo, but it was a pain in the ass <sri> Orbo: most likely although you know you're asking people who aren't going to be quite neutral :) <LinuxJones> Orbo, the live cd is the best place for your friends to start <zenrox> sri, your right <Orbo> LinuxJones: good point <CarlK> Orbo - here is some things I wrote http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/phpwiki/index.php?LinuxDistros <JDigital> Does anyone know how I can get Ubuntu to let me use 85Hz refresh rate? I used to do it in Windows but Linux seems to cap linda89@example.com. <JDigital> Is there a driver I can install or configuration dealy I can set? <CarlK> JDigital - yeah - the setting is saved in /etc/X11/something.conf <Orbo> CarlX - is Knoppix newbie friendly? I've never used it <CarlK> Orbo - knoppix is pretty cool, but... <JDigital> I think it is. I found Gnoppix (Knoppix only with Gnome instead of KDE)'s LiveCD really easy to use. <CarlK> knoppix is easy to use, but as soon as you want to configure something, like a printer, you are better of with an installed system <CarlK> you can save the config to the local drive, but at that point things arn't "easy" <LinuxJones> Orbo, Mandrake Move is quite a good Live CD it allows you to save your info on a usb pen drive and has a very easy installer. <JDigital> what's the program to edit XF86Config-4 again <LinuxJones> JDigital, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 <JDigital> thanks <dimgr> how do i search for a package in ubuntu? apt-cache search doenst work <AndyR> popey, having fun? <LinuxJones> dimgr, sure it does did you jsut do an install ? <popey> :) <popey> bit busy at the moment figuring out where our wiki spammer comes from <AndyR> sussed it mate? <dimgr> its not me .... im helping another person who just installed ubuntu and he says it doesnt work:P <popey> yeah, screen works now <AndyR> oh good <LinuxJones> dimgr, you have to enable a ubuntu repository <LinuxJones> dimgr, it's probably only set to read the cdrom <LinuxJones> dimgr, did you do apt-get update ? <billytwowilly> where should I put startup scripts? <Orbo> #gentoo is pretty busy, so I'll ask here, is there any way to map a keyboard volume dial to the master sound volume? <LinuxJones> Orbo, under keyboard shortcuts <CarlK> is there a window manager I can apt-get? <Buff> type: apt-cache search window manager <Buff> it'll be a long list <minimec> Buff: :-) <CarlK> cool - I thought gnome was my only choice without going outside the lines <moquist> i've been impressed by how easy it was for me to switch to ion2. <moquist> i just installed it, restarted GDM, and selected ion2 from the list <moquist> it couldn't have been any easier <Buff> and there, i guess are your instructions for changing to your chosen WM, CarlK <CarlK> P1-233, crappy 1meg vidio - recomendations? <Buff> fluxbox seems to be popular with minimalists <CarlK> not sure I even have twm right now... i started with a server install <CarlK> so I have heard.. so fluxbox it is <meltbanana314> anyone have trouble booting from CDs after installing Ubuntu? <fsc> Buff, fluxbox is good for my old thinkpad 166 - 80 meg that lives under the bed <FR500> hello <meltbanana314> I set up my BIOS to boot from CD (Slack 10.1) but GRUB automatically loads into Ubuntu instead <Zitter> hi someone can tell me wich driver I have to load for my via ethernet controller VT6102? TIA <FR500> can anyone help, i recompiled kernel for suspend to disk support, now my wifi is broken <Buff> i used to use pwm, similarly light on an old 166, but i think that's fused with ion now <fsc> FR500, are you using ndiswrapper? <FR500> fsc: "stock" ubuntu <FR500> so i guess yes <fsc> FR500, ndiswrapper wouldn't be "stock" <FR500> mmm <FR500> i didnt have to do athing to make it work <pauldaoust> now this is curious: has anyone encountered this problem? Whenever I have Firefox running, and click my Firefox icon in the panel, it does that stupid 'open another profile' thingy. <Zitter> ok found <fsc> FR500, stock would be a driver that is in the kernel proper <FR500> oh <FR500> then thats it <pauldaoust> I've had that problem a lot, and i know I can delete the 'lock' file in my ~/.mozilla/firefox/default directory... but even that's not working anymore. <FR500> there are no linux drivers for my wifi card, still worked out of the box <FR500> now it doesnt work <pauldaoust> sooooo... nobody with this problem? <fsc> FR500, hmm.. I don't know how ndiswrapper could work out of the box because you need the windows *.inf and *.sys driver binaries <moquist> pauldaoust: I don't use Gnome, so I don't click on anything. Sorry. :| <FR500> u didnt get me, i don't know how is that it works <pauldaoust> moquist: serious? <pauldaoust> wow <pauldaoust> what do you do then? <moquist> pauldaoust: ion2. I type "firefox" in a terminal and away I go. :) <pauldaoust> are you a true-blue command-line junkie? <FR500> it just used to work, always wored out of the box <FR500> *worked <moquist> pauldaoust: yep. <fsc> pauldaoust, gnome isn't the only window manager out there <moquist> pauldaoust: WRT your problem, though, I think it's a rather terrible usability problem that FF needs to fix. <FR500> fsc: any clues? <pauldaoust> fsc: yes, I know that, but... <pauldaoust> moquist: hear hear. I don't know why this would be such a headache... <fsc> FR500, you say that there are no linux drivers for your wireless, but that it worked out of the box, so i don't know what your problem is <moquist> pauldaoust: asking the user about that sort of profile junk is a tremendous bother, as you've found. (*especially* on Linux, where each user has his/her own home directory with his/her own FF profile, etc.) <pauldaoust> fsc: I'm curious though... if one doesn't use GNOME, what are they doing in an Ubuntu channel? ;) <FR500> i recompiled my kernel and now it's broke <pauldaoust> moquist: too true <FR500> i added suspend to disk support and it broke <fsc> pauldaoust, you don't have to run gnome to run ubuntu. i was thinking about trying out E17 cvs for the helluva it <pauldaoust> wait... come to think of it, I have a headless Ubuntu machine myself :) no GNOME, no X11, nothing like that :) <fsc> pauldaoust, but you should know that <pauldaoust> well don't I feel silly <moquist> pauldaoust: as far as I understand it moz and ff try to do some magic to re-use their already-running sessions if any are found. perhaps you have some hung/zombie/runaway FF processes hanging around? <al3x> morning, all... :) <moquist> pauldaoust: you comfortable on the command line? <pauldaoust> moquist: perhaps... hm, let me check <pauldaoust> moquist: oh yeah, like I said, I have a no-X Ubuntu machine in the other room <pauldaoust> so yep, I'm comfy with the command line :) <fsc> FR500, ok..hold on <moquist> pauldaoust: k. That'll make this easier. :) <FR500> thank you <pauldaoust> okay, I have a copy of firefox running with a very low PID; I'll try killing that and seeing what happens. <fsc> FR500, did you copy your config file over from /boot to /usr/src/linux before you compiled. is this is a stock kernel or an ubuntu kernel? <FR500> hmm i'm a noob, i just this this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SuspendHowto/view?searchterm=laptop <fsc> FR500, why did you recomple your kernel...for suspendhowto? <fsc> newbs shouldn't be recompiling kernels <pauldaoust> moquist: ha, that's exactly what it was <FR500> i recompiled to enable hibernation <pauldaoust> I killed the mystery process and now it's working fine ^_^ sometimes it's the simplest things... I guess I'd been typing 'killall firefox' instead of 'killall firefox-bin' <moquist> pauldaoust: cool. glad I could help even though I don't use Gnome. ;) <FR500> i just checked the configfile and it has wifi enabled, i'm confused <moquist> pauldaoust: I've done the same thing. <qlo-xael> Hello peoples, I just compiled a kernel (the 'make' part) but i'm not sure how to go about installing the new kernel <fsc> go back to your old kernel and do some research on the forums. copy your /boot config over to /usr/src/linux if you hadn't done that <pauldaoust> cool. thanks so much for your help, moquist. <qlo-xael> I have ubuntu 4.10 with grub <moquist> np. <Slask3n> hi =) <pauldaoust> (sometimes you need a third party to offer a suggestion and help ya along) <FR500> ok, thank you * moquist nods <fsc> qlo-xael, make install <pauldaoust> adios folks! <qlo-xael> mainly i'm concerned with how to install it with grub, the README files only deal with lilo <qlo-xael> fsc that will work with grub? <FR500> this file? config-156.14.161.142-3-386 <qlo-xael> fsc provided i modify /boot/grub/menu.lst of course <fsc> qlo-xael, edit grub or maybe do the kernel the "debian" way. i've never recompiled an ubuntu kernel <Slask3n> how can i connect my tv and get picture like in windows? in nvidia-settings it is just the CRT thats found... <qlo-xael> how is the debian way? <fsc> qlo-xael, they've got their own process for building and installing kernels <qlo-xael> hmm <fsc> qlo-xael, but just editing grub should be fine if you've already done everything else <qlo-xael> ok lets try <FR500> fsc: config-156.14.161.142-3-386 this file? <Slask3n> how can i get picture like in windows? in nvidia-settings it is just the CRT thats found... <Slask3n> nobody that knows?? <Slask3n> how can i get picture on my TV like in windows? in nvidia-settings it is just the CRT thats found... <qlo-xael> while i'm configuring grub in menu.lst, where exactly would i put the framebuffer console argument? (vga=788) <qlo-xael> it doesnt seem to make a difference where i put it <LinuxJones> Slask3n, you need nvtv I think do a search on google <Slask3n> ok, ill try :) <LinuxJones> Slask3n, that's your computer on your TV right ? <moquist> qlo-xael: you should just be able to list it as a grub parameter (e.g.: http://www.linuxforums.org/tutorials/1/tutorial-3523.html ) <qlo-xael> thanks moquist <moquist> qlo-xael: np; hope you get it working <tritium> Slask3n, you need to enable TwinView <tritium> Slask3n, read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/, particularly README.gz <tritium> Slask3n, LinuxJones nvtv doesn't work with the nvidia driver, only with nv <mike998> *sigh* couldn't get my wireless working last night <Dreamer3> trying to use elinks and getting linda89@example.com:444: connect() failed: 13 (Permission denied) <Dreamer3> what's up with that? <Dreamer3> it works when i run it as root... but... ya know? <Slask3n> tritium: thnx, ill try it :) <ron_> ok <ron_> how do i do networking on ubuntu <tritium> Slask3n, okay <tritium> Slask3n, you're on Hoary or Warty? <Slask3n> warty <ron_> how do i do networking on ubuntu <ron_> how do i do networking on ubuntu <ron_> how do i do networking on ubuntu <tritium> It'll require modifying your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 <ron_> i want two computers to talk <ron_> and share files <ron_> how? <FR500> hi again <ron_> how do i do networking on ubuntu <Vjaz> ron_, quit repeating your question for starters <Slask3n> tritium: ok, but ill look into the readme first <ron_> i want to use a network printer how do i do this? <FR500> i want to recompile my kernel with only one difference on what it is now, only one additional option <tritium> Slask3n, yes, it'll explain all that. <FR500> how can i do that? <Vjaz> ron_, On the top of your screen you have "Computer" (I think, I'm using Ubuntu in Finnish). <Vjaz> ron_, From that menu, select System Settings, and from that submenu Network Settings <TOP1yuiop> will ubuntu work on an amd k6 machine? <ron_> ok <Vjaz> ron_, if you're using a local network and don't want to setup DHCP, you'll use that configuration application, select your network card, then "Properties" and switch it to manual configuration. <hawke> TOP1yuiop: Should. <TOP1yuiop> kool thnx <bob2> FR500: what option? <FR500> software suspend <bob2> that's included in hoary kernels already <Vjaz> ron_, Then set your ip to +1-226-633-4109 or something, and +1-226-633-4109 for the other computer. (Examples, but you should start it with 192.168 in any case) <ron_> ok i already have the internet <FR500> i use warty <ron_> it is automatic <ron_> so your saying set up a new <ron_> connection? <FR500> so i should update kernel? <Vjaz> ron_, Hm... you probably don't want to do that unless you have two network cards. <bob2> FR500: wiki.ubuntu.com/PMTesting <Vjaz> ron_, How are your computers connected? <ron_> they <ron_> are through <ron_> a router <ron_> cable into router then <ron_> they both go into the router <Vjaz> Hm... do you mean a hub? <ron_> i want them to be able to share files <ron_> yes <ron_> a hub <ron_> 4 outputs on the hub <ron_> im using two <ron_> redhat used samba <ron_> i think <ron_> bu tubuntu doesnt have samba <Vjaz> Yes, that's what you want to use... <ron_> anyway it should be easier than using samba <Slask3n> tritium: sorry, but i didt really understand that :s i read the appendix J... <FR500> bob2: what do they mean with eating hdds? <Vjaz> You will need to use Samba if you need "Windows Shares". <ron_> no <ron_> i dont need window shares <tritium> Slask3n, read the TwinView section as well <ron_> i have two ubuntu computers <linuxn00b> Hi, i'm don't understand this line your_system_username = "your network username" (ubuntuguide) do I enter my current username and my hostname? so it would look like xquizit = faith ?? <ron_> i want to avoid samba <ron_> and go directly <Slask3n> ok :) <ron_> to the other computer <Vjaz> Uh... <shade_eating> okay guys i need help <Vjaz> You'll need some server anyways. <ron_> ok what server <ron_> even telnet <Vjaz> Well a Samba server for example. :-P <shade_eating> how do i make the following command valid for the mp3 directory and EVERY other directory within it? <ron_> i can use because it is a private network <shade_eating> sudo chown cryan:cryan /home/cryan/mp3 <Vjaz> Hm... <ron_> how do i do this as easy as possible <thoreauputic> ron_: don't use telnet - use ssh or nfs <Vjaz> I thought there was an easy way to configure Samba shares in Ubuntu, but I think that's in Hoary. <Vjaz> Weird. <Vjaz> ron_, By the way, have you searched the forums? <ron_> i dont care which i use just the easiest as possible <thoreauputic> shade_eating: chown -R cryan:cryan mp3 <thoreauputic> or /home/cryan/mp3 <thoreauputic> -R fro recursive <thoreauputic> *for <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: got it? <shadeofgrey> yeah <shadeofgrey> think so <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you may need to sudo <ron_> ok how do i use ssh <thoreauputic> sudo chown -R <ron_> ssh <shadeofgrey> illegal operation <ron_> ssh -i <thoreauputic> ron_: you'll need the ssh server - sudo apt-get install ssh should do it <ron_> i think its on there <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: ? <kapputu> hi thoreauputic <hawke> thoreauputic/ron_: sudo apt-get install openssh-server <thoreauputic> hawke_, not necessary - ssh depends on the other packages <thoreauputic> hawke it pulls them in <hawke> thoreauputic: I know <hawke> thoreauputic: But if one needs the server specifically... <thoreauputic> kapputu: hi <shadeofgrey> sudo doesnt like the -r switch <thoreauputic> capital R <thoreauputic> -R <ron_> its loading brb <shadeofgrey> nope <ron_> let me do this on the other computer too <thoreauputic> sudo chown -R user:user <shadeofgrey> same error <shadeofgrey> i dont understand. its telling me i cant view the files because im not root? <shadeofgrey> and im trying to give myself permission? <Slask3n> tritium: im really sorry, im pretty n00b and i cant see how it makes sense... can you please explain a bit more? <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: I just ran that command on a directory here and it works fine <jimcooncat> would like to play with rsnapshot, it's not in my repositories but has a .deb available. How do I install this? <FR500> while i wait for the new kernel to download, how can i make the ubuntu grub loader look nicer, with a backdrop like fc3 or something <shadeofgrey> thore: i understand. im just saying that mine doesnt like the -r as a lower or uppercvase letter <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: are you sure you got it exactly right? sudo chown -R cryan:cryan mp3 or whatever <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: that I don't understand. It should work AFAIK... :( <ron_> it says its already on this computer <ron_> .................... <ron_> .................... <ron_> it says its already on this computer <ron_> .................... <shadeofgrey> okay let me try again <ron_> ssh ie <wasabi> Can one launch the debian installer from the ubuntu cd? <ron_> how do i run ssh <thoreauputic> ron_: so try to ssh to the other one : ssh 192.168.*.* or whatever <ron_> they have the same ip address <dopp0> hello, I'm having problems upgrading to hoary. it's breaking apt-get with the package libgtksourceview-common_1.1.92-0ubuntu1_all.deb <bob2> ron_: please try to be a bit less obnoxious... <ron_> +1-226-633-4109 <shadeofgrey> success! <dopp0> can someone support me out with that? <thoreauputic> ron_: well, your network isn't going to work if the boxes all have the same IP <thoreauputic> is it? <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: yay! <Vjaz> ron_, Is the network configured via DHCP or is it manual? <ron_> they automatically loaded that ip <ron_> dhcp <ron_> not manual <Vjaz> That's weird. <Vjaz> are you sure the ip is the same? Where are you checking it? <dopp0> anyone? dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgtksourceview-common_1.1.92-0ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack): <dopp0> trying to overwrite `/usr/share/gtksourceview-1.0/language-specs/nemerle.lang', which is also in package libgtksourceview-cil <dopp0> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) <ron_> not 100 percent <ron_> let me check <bob2> dopp0: that's a bug in one of those packages <tritium> Slask3n, I have work to do at the momemt, so I can't really explain it any better than the documentation. I can send you my config as an example, though. <bob2> dopp0: presumably it will be fixed soon <Slask3n> sure, thanks :) <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you can access your mp3 files now? <dopp0> bob2: but how can I supass it so I can finish doin' my dist-upgrade? <shadeofgrey> jesus christ! now it says i have no decoder to read mp3 files <bob2> you can't <Vjaz> Hm... I wonder if it actually *is* possible for two computers behind a router and a hub to work with the same ip if they don't run any servers... <dopp0> I can't? :-( <shadeofgrey> this is exactly why i hate linux <bob2> shadeofgrey: please read the FAQ or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats <shadeofgrey> EVERYTHING is hard <holycow> Vjaz, its not on the same network <bob2> dopp0: you have to wait <bob2> shadeofgrey: no, it's really not <bob2> please chill out <Slask3n> tritium: that would be nice, i understand you need to work... but maybe i understand it better tomorrow... its 02:28 AM now so i soon go to bed, and maybe it makes sense tomorrow :) <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: do you have univers enabled? if so sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad <jimcooncat> can I use a local directory as a repository? <holycow> you could litterrally two identical networks and have them go through a proxy of some kind but ... <bob2> jimcooncat: not simply <ron__> ok im on the other computer now <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: it gets easier <jimcooncat> Trying to install a .deb <bob2> dopp0: please don't /msg people unless they ask you to <holycow> infact thats what most home networks are, identical subnets (linksys, netgear default settings) behind isp proxies <FR500> you can't have equale netwroks unless u are behind a NAT router <bob2> dopp0: you can fix the bug yourself, or you can wait for someone else to fix it <tritium> Slask3n, here it is: http://www.pastebin.com/243139 <bob2> dopp0: if it's reported, it will be in the bug tracking system, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ <Vjaz> ron__, could you run a terminal and run ifconfig? <FR500> routing wont work that way <Slask3n> tritium: thanks :) <tritium> Slask3n, just keep in mind that it's a config file for X.org, not XFree86, but the TwinView stuff is identical <tritium> You're welcome <ron__> they are the same ip address <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: and possibly sudo apt-get install mpg321 <FR500> will never work <Slask3n> :) <ron__> ok <TOP1yuiop> what is the minimum ammount of ram for ubuntu? <dopp0> bob2, ok man, I'm not complaining, I just asked where can i track this bug (may be it's not even detected by the team), and if it is... I would loke to see. sorry to bother you anyway... <FR500> ron__ do u have windows? <fsc> still can't totem to play mp3s after the hoary upgrade... <bob2> TOP1yuiop: depends what you want to do <thoreauputic> TOP1yuiop: I believe 128MB is recommended <bob2> fsc: 11:28:29 bob2 | shadeofgrey: please read the FAQ or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats <TOP1yuiop> a few small app <holycow> TOP1yuiop, 64 megs is fine if you don't plan or running more than one app at a time <thoreauputic> for gnome anyway <bob2> TOP1yuiop: you'll have trouble installing with less than 48MB <TOP1yuiop> ok <TOP1yuiop> i got 64 <holycow> gnome can load in less than 48 mb <bob2> dopp0: erm? and I replied saying where you can see that. <holycow> what bob2 said <TOP1yuiop> thnx <tritium> Slask3n, good luck. I'm around very often if you have questions. <fsc> bob2, installed gstreamer-mad <thoreauputic> holycow: sure, but it would be kind of.. sluggish <kapputu> hmm should I upgrade to hoary? <shadeofgrey> cant find package <Vjaz> ron__ you'll never get the two computers talking to each other if they have the same IP address. Perhaps you should check your router's settings. <holycow> thoreauputic, you would be surprised how spiffy it is tho <shadeofgrey> ubelievable <fsc> hmm...tought i had installed gstreamer-mad <fsc> maybe not <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: do you have universe and multiverse enabled? <bob2> fsc: no, gstreamer0.8-mad <bob2> shadeofgrey: you need to read the link I gave you <bob2> not skim, read <kapputu> I'm really tempted to upgrade to hoary <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you need to read the FAQ as bob2 suggested <Slask3n> tritium: thanks for that :) ill be looking for you :P <kapputu> don't know what it'll break <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you are doing fine so far - just need to read the stuff <Slask3n> is hoary stable or is it a beta now? i know its nt beeing published before april.. <bob2> Slask3n: it's the unstable branch of ubuntu <fsc> no, i do have have gstreamer-mad-+1-226-633-4109 installed <Slask3n> ok <bob2> fsc: er <kapputu> how unstable is it? <bob2> fsc: the name of the package you want is gstreamer0.8-mad <fsc> bob2, yes. i have that installed <Slask3n> will it be easier to upgrade to the newest software in hoary? i know in warty its almost impossible to upgrade many apps like firefox and gaim to the newest version in an easy way <bob2> I'm not sure why that confuses people so much <bob2> warty is frozen <bob2> it doesn't get nmew software <bob2> that's what "frozen" means <bob2> hoary will freeze in april <bob2> then it won't get new software either <HrdwrBoB> Slask3n: hoary will come out with the latest software <Slask3n> will hoary be frozen when it gets released? <kapputu> unless u get stuff from debian repo? <bob2> kapputu: bah <bob2> you can install packages out of your belly button if you want <bob2> but that defeats the point <qlo-xael> so, I just compiled and installed my kernel, but the very first few modules loaded failed, i suspect it has something to do with the fact I commented out the line dealing with the initrd <shadeofgrey> okay <thoreauputic> Slask3n: for firefox 1.0 you can install the binary from mozilla.org - it will work fine <shadeofgrey> i found the package manager <qlo-xael> but i dont know how to create a new initrd for 2.6.10 <kapputu> so what's the point in working with software that's 10 years old? <bob2> kapputu: come on <qlo-xael> can anyone help? <bob2> please stop being utterly insane <bob2> it's a 6 month release cycle <shadeofgrey> it wont accept any new addresses <bob2> at worst software is 6 months away from the latest release <Slask3n> thoreauputic: yes, but youll need to make a fresh install but cant "upgrade" the old installation... <bob2> qlo-xael: why do you want to build a new kernel? <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: find repositories and enable universe (it's a check box0 <qlo-xael> lots of reasons, my new kernel works, i just havent installed it correctly <thoreauputic> Slask3n: not elegant I know, but it works here <bob2> qlo-xael: no, that's not the problem <ompaul> Slask3n, you develop something - you change it - you freeze and release it you then _only_ fix bugs that need attention (not all bugs do :-)) you then move on to the next cycle where this thought started <bob2> qlo-xael: what's missing from the official 2.6.10 ones? <thoreauputic> Slask3n: and if you install in /usr/local/bin or /home/user it won't break anything <kapputu> bob2: be realistic <Slask3n> but if im not too wrong, ubuntu will release every 6 months right? then with the newest software... but then its getting frozen?? software developes very much in 6 months... <qlo-xael> bob2: i dont understand <bob2> qlo-xael: why do you want to build a new kernel at all? <bob2> kapputu: I am, you're the one being hyperbolic <thoreauputic> Slask3n: that's what the development branch is for <bob2> kapputu: 6 months is not very long and no where near " 10 years" <qlo-xael> to add support for my devices that aren't working correctly <bob2> qlo-xael: which ones? <qlo-xael> specifically wireless, frambuffer etc etc * ompaul has an interesting problem (well interesting if you were me) I want to seed something I downloaded (hoary live) and can't find the url I downloaded from in the first place :-/ <fsc> so is there a conflict between esd and alsa? <Slask3n> but will it be able to upgrade the software on hoary or will that be frozen too after release? <bob2> qlo-xael: which wireless driver doesn't work? <bob2> fsc: no, theyre different things <kapputu> 10 years is an exaggeration but it probably is in OS time or whatever u call it <bob2> Slask3n: you can install whatever you want <bob2> Slask3n: but hoary itself will freeze <thoreauputic> Slask3n: there will be a new dev release <bob2> Slask3n: can you really not wait at most 6 months for some new random version? <bob2> kapputu: 6 months release cycle. <fsc> bob2, so can totem use esd then? <thoreauputic> Slask3n: what is it that is so important it can't wait 6 months? <bob2> yes <Benbis> If anyone has time, I have an installation problem. <kapputu> somehow ubuntu appeals a lot to me though <kapputu> this is one distro I have been sticking to for a long time <Benbis> And being a total utter newbie, I have no clue where to go from here. <thoreauputic> Benbis: just ask <bob2> Benbis: it's best to just ask <Benbis> I have the shipit CD <Slask3n> it just seems a little bit weird for me.. it reminds me a little of M$ IE, never gets upgraded more than an absolutely minimum <holycow> kapputu, i've been on debian for a year and a half <bob2> Slask3n: dude <holycow> i ain't movin either :) its a good corner of the os world to be in <qlo-xael> bob2: its a long story, i need wlan-ng drivers to use my wireless device, but i need kernel source files to use the drivers <Benbis> It starts off ok, but is unable to mount CD <kapputu> I don't like Fedora half as much now <bob2> Slask3n: it gets completely updated every 6 months <shadeofgrey> okay i opened the repository list all i see is "CD Ubuntu 5.04 Hoary (Binary)" <bob2> qlo-xael: no, you don't <ompaul> slask3n you can adapt the release any way you like (open source) however peeps who support a release only support that release as configured (there is not the time or energy to look after each and every individual [unless you hire a sys admin for yourself] but if you want the ubuntu world you stick to what it releases if you want debian unstable this is not the right channel <shadeofgrey> how do i enable universe ? <thoreauputic> Slask3n: if you'd been here any length of time, you'd realise hoary is constantly changing <kapputu> though I would like to get a snappy looking KDE distro on my desktop <bob2> qlo-xael: you need the kernel headers, not the source <kapputu> but I'm not changing Ubuntu on my laptop <fsc> Slask3n, if you want to be on the bleeding edge then when 11.04 comes to the repositories you just switch to that <shadeofgrey> the learning curve for linux is steep compared to windows <CarlK> what is the lightest WM that has icons to launch apps? <kapputu> shadeofgrey: that depends <holycow> shadeofgrey, not really <ompaul> shadeofgrey, how so? <qlo-xael> bob2: i appreciate where you are trying to take me with this, but the kernel is already compiled and installed, i just havent created a ramdisk init and thats what i need to know how to do <holycow> windows users expect linux to work like windows, thats the real problem <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: because you haven't read the wiki or the FAQ, have you? <kapputu> also once you get an idea of the system, you can practically do anything <holycow> also windows users have 15 years of training on windows <kapputu> with Windows your IQ drops <bob2> qlo-xael: creating an initrd is annoying and unnessecary. if you insist on building your own kernel, compile the basic stuff into it so you don't need an initrd at all <shadeofgrey> no, your right i havent <holycow> most are just now trying linux and expecting that 15 years of training can be replaced in one day <Benbis> Well, I had some ms-dos training before too :) <shadeofgrey> but its HARD to read really complicated stuff with NO TUNES <CarlK> I plan on hooking up a touch screen so that I don't have to use the moose and keyboard, and the hope is to have a big icon that you can stick your thumb on <ompaul> Benbis ohh come on CP/M <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: this is open source - you read you learn and then you contribute <Ex-Cyber> I think the main thing is that less-experienced Windows users tend to have someone physically at hand at some point that they can bug to fix their problems for them <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: that's how it works <Benbis> But that still doesn't give me a clue why I get an unable to mount cd message <holycow> what thoreauputic said, don't expect marketing or someone kissing your ass and handholding <qlo-xael> bob2: thats what i thought i did but for some reason when it looks for things like psmouse and lp at the beginning of the boot screen, it fails <bob2> qlo-xael: the --initrd option to make-kpkg for what you want <bob2> qlo-xael: that's not a fatal error <bob2> Benbis: the live cd? <Benbis> No, the install cd <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: you might recall we spent *some* time helping you a while ago <shadeofgrey> look. its 2005 -- if an operating system cant handle .mp3 files straight out of the gate that operating system is doomed to reside in places like this <qlo-xael> bob2: no its not fatal, but i can't use my mouse for example, no X <holycow> actually no <bob2> shadeofgrey: well, we're sorry to see you go <holycow> you don't understand the issues behind .mp3 <bob2> shadeofgrey: you might want to one day actually look into why this is the case, tho <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: complain to the companies that made the formats unfree <holycow> mp3 is a patented codec <Benbis> I said I was a newbie, not that I was totally dense :) <bob2> qlo-xael: then you need to load the modules yourself later <holycow> you cannot legally sell a player for it wiithout paying royalties to the mp3 consortium <Buff> shadeofgrey: thats a legal problem. the codec is patented <bob2> holycow: no <qlo-xael> bob2: so from /usr/src/linux, make make-kpkg --initrd ?? <holycow> you also cannot give an mp3 player away for free <bob2> holycow: you can't distribute it, either <bob2> qlo-xael: no <bob2> qlo-xael: you need more options than that <holycow> like i said <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: frankly, you are now coming across as ignorant and uninformed <bob2> qlo-xael: and a working .config <shadeofgrey> then how is winamp free? <qlo-xael> i have a working config <HrdwrBoB> shadeofgrey: they have paid <HrdwrBoB> and organised a license <holycow> right <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: free as in free speeh - not gratis <shadeofgrey> with what? their player is free! <ompaul> shadeofgrey, you could of course buy up all the companies that own the mp3 stuff and force them to release it for free or you could say to hell with that and get with the progam - ogg or some such <qlo-xael> bob2: or by these errors, do i not have a working config? <thoreauputic> no it's "unfree" <HrdwrBoB> shadeofgrey: I don't know if you've noticed, but AOL own winamp <holycow> shadeofgrey, they are owned by aol <HrdwrBoB> shadeofgrey: and AOL have lots of money <holycow> aol is a 100 billion dollar company <shadeofgrey> okay <bob2> chill a bit, folks <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: go and read richard stallman's web site and debian.org <bob2> qlo-xael: I don't know, I can't see your errors <holycow> you need a licence from the mp3 consortium to even give away an mp3 player <Benbis> Okies, from the Ubuntu site, it gives this channel as a support one, is there another? <bob2> qlo-xael: but this is why I was hinting that buliding your own kernel is a bad idea... <bob2> Benbis: ask on the mailing list <bob2> Benbis: if it's a new machine, it's probably an apic issue <holycow> shadeofgrey, also linux is not 'competing' <shadeofgrey> exactly <qlo-xael> bob2: is there a way to pause the bootup? <shadeofgrey> THATS the problem <holycow> frankly at the end of the day no one gives a crap if a windows user switches <Benbis> It's a P4 if that's what you mean <holycow> acutally its not <holycow> its YOUR problem <bob2> qlo-xael: scroll lock. <bob2> holycow: stop it <holycow> we don't give a shit <Slask3n> isa it possible to add hoary repoitorys in warty without fucking the system completely? <CarlK> shadeofgrey et all - take it to #politics or #religion.... <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: no one is forcing you to use lInux <qlo-xael> k <holycow> bob2 go fuck your self, you always ban those that make sense and do nothing about those that start it <bob2> Slask3n: that's not a good idea <Slask3n> ok <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: but you are ill informed in the extreme <bob2> holycow: now I remind you of the Ubuntu Community Code of Conduct <bob2> and I expect you to follow it from now on <ogra> holycow: please keep it nice <holycow> code of conduct prohibits a discussion? <holycow> or making sense? <holycow> no <holycow> go fuck your self * mode/#ubuntu [+o bob2] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu [-o bob2] by bob2 <jimcooncat> oh, where's the humanity in it all???? <CarlK> an op! <drasko> I've got a neewbie question... I'm trying to set apache server and I configured virtual host and everything and made index.htm in appropriate directory. If I wnat to test this site, what is the virtual address in httpd.conf? <shadeofgrey> thor: most definately i am. im just saying - as a casual user - ubuntu and the other flavors of linux are incredibly newbie unfriendly <HrdwrBoB> shadeofgrey:
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