#ubuntu-meeting 2005-08-02 * Burgundavia stumbles into the room, rubbing his eyes * rob^ gets coffee to stay awake * mpt puts on his dunce's cap and joins the meeting <Burgundavia> well, it is good that rob^ is here as well <Burgundavia> we need both viewpoints on LocalHelp * rob^ is on sick leave <rob^> otherwise I wouldnt be :) * Burgundavia is on running-out-of-money-ness <rob^> I'd be asleep <rob^> 5am starts for work suck! <rob^> its midnight here now <mpt> rob^: Are you Robert Stoffers? <rob^> yes * Burgundavia is Corey Burger <rob^> my mommy says I'm cool.. <Treenaks> Welcome to Ubuntites Anonymous ? <Burgundavia> no, doc team meeting <Treenaks> ;) <rob^> where is everyone? did they turn the ntp update off on thier boxes? <rob^> :) <Burgundavia> no idea <Burgundavia> I just pinged mdke <Burgundavia> jerome is not online <mpt> or maybe the agenda just wasn't that interesting ;-) <rob^> heh <rob^> ah fugde it, my sshed connection to my other box died during a dist-upgrade <rob^> this could be bad :( <jjesse> good luck <rob^> hmm I still have a logon localy on that box :) <rob^> bloody power saving crap.. <rob^> hmm <rob^> this meeting is going off! <jjesse> we going to get started? <Burgundavia> sure <rob^> ya <Burgundavia> who is here? <mpt> me, sort of * rob^ <Burgundavia> 1st item -- Meeting times <rob^> yes <Burgundavia> rob^, you added this? <rob^> yep <Burgundavia> lets us know you issues <rob^> What I wanted to discuss is a better timing for the meeting <rob^> but we really need more members here <mpt> This is a bad time for me right now, and a bad time for me next week, it'll be fine after that <Burgundavia> is another day better? <rob^> with my work I wont be able to attend any more meetings <rob^> can I suggest Friday? <Burgundavia> I have no objection <Burgundavia> shall we raise it on the mailing list, due to lack of members here? <rob^> yes good idea <Burgundavia> ok, next item <Burgundavia> project updates <Burgundavia> rob^, you want to lead off on faqguide? <rob^> ok <rob^> the Ubuntu version of the faq guide is really comming along quite well <rob^> there are still a few things we need to fix up, but it will probably be ready for review soon <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, we just started <Burgundavia> rob^, you want to repeat what you just said for jsgotangco <rob^> yep <rob^> the Ubuntu version of the faq guide is really comming along quite well <rob^> there are still a few things we need to fix up, but it will probably be ready for review soon <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, we are moving the time/day disucssion tot eh mailing list <rob^> as for the KDE profile, there is still a lot of work to be done <Burgundavia> sounds good <rob^> I don't know if we will have the KDE profile ready for Breezy, but time will tell I guess <jjesse> is there someone working on the KDE profile? <rob^> so yeah <rob^> jjesse, I am a little bit <rob^> but we could really use someone who uses kubuntu <Burgundavia> our last writing must be done by Sept 8 <Burgundavia> jjesse, you want to talk about the Kubuntu Users Guide? <jjesse> its in svn right? i could look into it, i'm behind on kusuerguide though :( <Burgundavia> jjesse, yes <rob^> yep <jjesse> rob^ i'll work on it <rob^> ok, thanks :) <rob^> the author of KUDOS is allowing us to add stuff from it <rob^> I dont think anything has yet though.. <jjesse> alright where is that located in svn rob^ <rob^> generic/faqguide/C/ <rob^> kudos isnt in there yet though <Burgundavia> what is KUDOS again? <rob^> a kubuntu version of ubuntuguide.org <jjesse> KUDOS is like ubuntuguide.org <Burgundavia> ok <Burgundavia> rob^, anything more? <rob^> no, I'm good <rob^> carry on <Burgundavia> jjesse, Kubuntu Users Guide? <jjesse> coming along good <jjesse> i know some of things we are still waiting for some decisions on <Burgundavia> decisions from whom? <jjesse> like whether or not kynaptic will be used for installing software <jjesse> kubuntu-devs <Burgundavia> ok <rob^> kynaptic/synaptic is used in the faqguide now <jjesse> i know but there is some talk in breezy that willc hange <rob^> oh super.. <rob^> kynaptic only? <Burgundavia> or kapture <jjesse> yeah knaptytic vs kapture <Burgundavia> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPackageManager <rob^> ah <jjesse> which is why the install portion is still not done <rob^> well lucky I havent added much from kubuntu then :) <Burgundavia> ok, the install is not a major deal <Burgundavia> people use softare far more than they install it <jjesse> agreed, but everything else is coming along well <mpt> Burgundavia: However, installing software is the thing they report trouble with most often <Burgundavia> jjesse, so your writing is currently waiting on kubuntu-developers <Burgundavia> mpt, yes <rob^> yes, a couple of meetings ago it was suggested that using gui apps to install things is a good idea <mpt> judging by the forums <jjesse> just had some family emergencies that have slowed down writing <mpt> David Ottina's work <jjesse> the seciont that is waiting is part of what froud is writing <Burgundavia> ok <jjesse> i gotta get my ass in gear to be honest <Burgundavia> jjesse, anything else specific to mention before we move on? * rob^ looks at the bottom of his empty coffee cup.. <jjesse> not that i'm aware of <Burgundavia> ok <Burgundavia> on to the big topic <Burgundavia> Yelp Main page <rob^> you want to go first Burgundavia? <Burgundavia> mpt, you want to present your idea quickly? <rob^> or mpt.. <mpt> sure <mpt> One of the things I identified in http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpfulHelp was that Yelp's front page is pretty bad <mpt> In Ubuntu as well as vanilla Gnome <mpt> The fix, which will be done upstream, is to default yelp to opening one particular book <mpt> For upstream Gnome, this will be the Gnome User's Guide <mpt> I have started writing a document I'm calling "Ubuntu Help" <mpt> You can get it from the Supermirror, which is the part of Launchpad that will be used for mirroring code branches in the future <mpt> http://heatherjohnson@example.com/help--0/ * Burgundavia hangs his head in shame about promising a doc about baz for the doc team in January <mpt> It's a Bazaar archive -- Bazaar is the way Ubuntu-related development will be increasingly distributed, starting a few months from now <mpt> The only non-forward-compatible thing about it is that it uses the baz version of Bazaar, rather than the (eventual replacement) bzr version <mpt> because bzr doesn't support the Supermirror yet. <rob^> when will the docteam change over to it? <mpt> Whenever you like <mpt> Bazaar is distributed <Burgundavia> post breezy would be a good time <mpt> So you can make your own branch <rob^> yes agreed <mpt> and keep it locally <mpt> and mirror it to your own personal archive <mpt> then we can merge from each other's branches. <mpt> For more information on Bazaar, see http://bazaar.canonical.com/ <rob^> dang, and I only just learnt svn.. <jsgotangc1> anyone? <Burgundavia> jsgotangc1, hey <jsgotangc1> my dsl died <rob^> we are at nr 3 <jsgotangc1> im in a freakin' dialup <Burgundavia> yelp main page <jsgotangc1> just 3 eh? <mpt> Now, the reason I started it from scratch is so that I could avoid using the GFDL <Burgundavia> mpt, mind if we take jsgotangc1 project update? <jsgotangc1> no go ahead <rob^> mpt, what licence are you going to use then? <jsgotangc1> my connection is extremely bad at the moment <mpt> and we're going to be talking about licenses later in the meeting. <rob^> ok <mpt> It's dual-licensed under the GPL and the CC BY-SA, with the special exception that the attribution of the CC BY-SA does not apply. <mpt> That way, it can be used by Debian <mpt> As far as I can tell, Debian is going to be removing all GFDL-licensed docs for Etch <rob^> hmm the attribution is the best bit :( <mpt> and they're not happy about the pure BY-SA either, because of the attribution requirement <Burgundavia> anyway, we can discuss licenses later <Burgundavia> mpt, what does you page offer over the exisitng page? <mpt> So after Breezy I'll give Debian a brand-neutralized version of Ubuntu Help <mpt> Well, for the front page it's organized by topic, rather than by document <mpt> because people don't know which, if any, document will contain the answer to their question <mpt> see http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpfulHelp#head-3c25bdfc7f57ac1ab750b2db298e2b75ed82ed91 for more details about that problem <mpt> At the moment, I regret to say, we have a lot of guides of various levels of detail which are duplicating a lot of work <mpt> and I'm sorry for starting yet another one :-) <mpt> I only did it because of the licensing issue. <rob^> ok, whist I dont disagree with what your doing, the page will have links all over the place. people will get lost in it <mpt> The front page has twelve links on it, and I don't intend that number to increase <mpt> if anything, it will decrease <rob^> mpt, no, once they click thru they will be in the middle of some doc <rob^> for this to work better we need to rethink how we do our documentation <Burgundavia> sort of <Burgundavia> mpt's guide would have some writing in it <rob^> exactly <Burgundavia> it wouldn't just be links to existing docs <rob^> if we are going to use this, we should pool our efforts into one monolitic doc <rob^> otherwise it will be messy <mpt> As soon as yelp gets a search function, it can decrease to about 4~5 <mpt> rob^: I'm not sure what you mean by "in the middle of" <mpt> The organization of pages into books is an implementation detail that I want to hide as thoroughly as possible <mpt> I think I'm done <mpt> unless there are any more questions <mpt> Yes, if it's just a ToC it won't be much use to Debian :-) <mpt> I'm all in favor of merging docs <rob^> mpt, say someone wanted to burn a cd.. that info could be in the middle of say the userguide <Burgundavia> so if we merge the commonprobs, the faq and localhelp into one doc, would that work <rob^> and burning an .iso image could be in the middle of the faq <rob^> its all over the place <rob^> Burgundavia, thats kind of what I'm thinking <jsgotangco> sorry guys, my internet is acting up at th emoment, its raining so hard here, please continue on <jsgotangco> i can't really give input that much since im so lagged because of the rains <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, np <rob^> Burgundavia, maybe even the quick guide <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, I will post the summary and log <Burgundavia> rob^, the quick guide is going to be respeced, next item <Burgundavia> and thus really isn't a doc anymore <mpt> Anyway, I encourage people to get to know bazaar, maybe even send me the URL to their branches :-) <rob^> yes, its redundant <Burgundavia> no, the quick guide is becoming a marketing doc <rob^> ok <jsgotangco> yes <jsgotangco> new features! <rob^> that is a good change of focus <Burgundavia> that was the original focus <jsgotangco> yes <rob^> yeah, but thats not what it does now.. <Burgundavia> yes <rob^> hence respec.. <rob^> ok <jsgotangco> its alright, all docs are in state of flux at the moment anyway <Burgundavia> that was a miscommunication, that happened somewhere in the madness of Mataro <rob^> yeah <Burgundavia> shall we agree to merge the faq guide into localhelp? <Burgundavia> details to be hashed out as needed? <rob^> how are we going to do this? <rob^> let me look at localhelp first <rob^> I will post to the list about it later <Burgundavia> ok <mpt> Burgundavia: We can't do that, they're under different licenses <mpt> Unless you get permission from every contributor <rob^> hmm <rob^> we could just drop one <Burgundavia> the faqguide is already gpl <rob^> yes <Burgundavia> rob^, how much of the old faq guide are you keeping? <Burgundavia> is it worth just dropping and starting again? <rob^> its been changed heaps <rob^> take a look <Burgundavia> yes <mpt> In theory, some faqguide contributor might have a violent disagreement with the BY-SA <Burgundavia> ok, shall we just drop the faq guide and merge your work into the localhelp stuff? <rob^> Burgundavia, I'll take a look at local help first <Burgundavia> ok <Burgundavia> the stuff that mpt posted int eh baz archive is the same as is on LocalHelp <mpt> rob^: Ah, now I think I understand your earlier question. The answer is, every topic appears on its own page. <rob^> Burgundavia, I would dare say thats what we'll do however <rob^> is localhelp only licenced under gpl? <Burgundavia> mpt just through that on <Burgundavia> s/thought/threw <Burgundavia> he didn't know our licenses <mpt> As I said, GPL + BY-SA, with the exception that the attribution restriction of the BY-SA does not apply. <mpt> I went with that after talking with Burgundavia about licenses <mpt> It's the same as OpenOffice.org uses <mpt> http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/cc-community/2005-March/000369.html <rob^> what does taking off BY SA do then.. <rob^> how will it effect the docs? <mpt> It doesn't, directly <mpt> but it means that Ubuntu Help couldn't be copied and pasted into other BY-SA work <mpt> which in turn would make authors of BY-SA works less likely to contribute their changes back. <rob^> from my understanding, the BY-SA just means that they dont have to acknowledge us/ubuntu? <jeffsch> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/ <Burgundavia> hey jeffsch <mpt> The BY-SA normally *does* mean that they have to attribute the original author <Burgundavia> jeffsch, have you missed anything? <mpt> but Debian doesn't like that for the same reason they don't like the GFDL <jeffsch> nope <mpt> Hence, my special exception <Burgundavia> jeffsch, ok <rob^> but that sucks quite frankly <rob^> thats our hard work, we should be acknowledged <mpt> Well, people who contribute to GPL apps don't have a problem with their attribution possibly being removed <mpt> I want something that Ubuntu can share with Debian, and I don't mind my attribution being removed <rob^> as do I, but I dont see why Debian needs to be so hard-assed about it <Burgundavia> the GFDL sucks, to be honest <mpt> I have no particular love for Debian, but they're the foundation of Ubuntu, and they've got good principles, and they'll be in a hole without GFDL-licensed docs, and something coming from Ubuntu to help them out will make them feel better about Ubuntu. <jsgotangco> i don't mind our docs go upstream either <mpt> If you're uncomfortable with the idea of your attribution being removed, we have plenty of docs under the GFDL that you can contribute to :-) <jsgotangco> Debian Legal would be happy as well <rob^> yeah, well it doesn't look like I have a choice if I want to keep doing what I'm doing <rob^> but then again, it would be good to give something like this back to Debian <jjesse> can i ask a silly question? why would our docs go upstream to debian when they are ubuntu specific? <jeffsch> rob^: the BY part of the license is the attribution part <Burgundavia> jjesse, they don't have to be <jjesse> like the FAQ guide <jeffsch> rob^: the BY part will still be there <Burgundavia> the key part is the docs still remain free, even if our names are not on it <jeffsch> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/ <mpt> jjesse: One thing that Bazaar makes easy is that Debian and Ubuntu can maintain their branches independently, merging only the non-brand-specific parts from each other. <rob^> jeffsch, thanks <rob^> jeffsch, now I get it <jjesse> ok <jsgotangco> jjesse: it means our docs can be easily lifted up <rob^> I'm ok with the BY part still being there <rob^> the SA doesn't bother me so much <Burgundavia> shall we post to the list about this? <rob^> Burgundavia, yes good point also <Burgundavia> we also should clear a license change mdz or mako <rob^> yep * mpt thinks <Burgundavia> mpt, you want to do the emailing on this? <Burgundavia> ok then, lets move on <Burgundavia> new quick guide <Burgundavia> any objections to it becoming a marketing doc? <rob^> Burgundavia, what do you mean by "marketing doc"? <jsgotangco> i don't except that if its a marketing doc, i dont think quickguide is a good title <Burgundavia> Basically, use breezy because here are all the cool new features <rob^> ok <Burgundavia> http://www.linspire.com/quickstart <Burgundavia> see that for an idea <rob^> yeah, ok sounds good :) <jjesse> fine w/ me <Burgundavia> jeffsch, any thoughts? <rob^> probably needs a name change or something though <Burgundavia> yes <jeffsch> new features since hoary? <Burgundavia> yes <jeffsch> or new features like/not like windows? <Burgundavia> what sets Ubuntu apart, mostly new features <Burgundavia> but maybe cool features that aren't in OS X or windows <rob^> bugger <rob^> netsplit <Burgundavia> we only lost mpt <jeffsch> Burgundavia: http://www.linspire.com/quickstart is empty <Burgundavia> bugger <Burgundavia> it should autostart downloading a pdf <jsgotangco> i thought just cool new breezy features <rob^> Burgundavia, I've seen it before <Burgundavia> ok <Burgundavia> most of the breezy new features are also not going to be in anything else <Burgundavia> but the idea of the respec is good? no objections? <jeffsch> no objections from me <rob^> no <jsgotangco> none <Burgundavia> ok, moving on <jsgotangco> im not so sure about Kubuntu though <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, you want to give an update on your project <jsgotangco> its like 80% done <Burgundavia> and jeffsch since you are here as well <jsgotangco> hmm project yes....i'm almost done with my StyleGuide contribution <jsgotangco> on writing for international audience <jsgotangco> as for QuickGuide, yes we'll do the respec * rob^ heatherjohnson@example.com.. <jeffsch> coming slowly. jsgotangco has helped, I still hope to be done by july 31. <jsgotangco> i haven't been doing Kubuntu stuff slowly though <jeffsch> may be wishful thinking though <Burgundavia> rob^, I was jumping back to get them <rob^> ah cool <rob^> bit lost then for a sec <Burgundavia> jeffsch, jsgotangco anything else? <jsgotangco> well i'm going to make a launchpad team for us <jsgotangco> Ubuntu Documentation Project <Burgundavia> ok <jeffsch> nope. move along :) <Burgundavia> do we need to discuss licenses further? <rob^> well, one thing I might add <jsgotangco> we need a working X to do work really * Burgundavia has a working X <Burgundavia> rob^, shoot <rob^> the faq as mentioned already is GPL as it was derived from ubuntuguide.org <Burgundavia> yes <rob^> I have it as tri-licenced atm <Burgundavia> ok <rob^> but I'm not too sure about that <jeffsch> i thought the author gave permission for gfdl and cc-by-sa <Burgundavia> he did <rob^> jeffsch, yes <Burgundavia> but it is already gpl <jeffsch> ok, so the version in svn is only two licenses <rob^> no, three <Burgundavia> we never added the gpl to it <rob^> it was gpl anyway <Burgundavia> until now <rob^> its stated at the top of ubuntuguide.org <jeffsch> but our faqguide is only 2 licenses, we dropped gpl with permission <rob^> ok <jeffsch> ubuntuguide.org is still gpl <jeffsch> the docs are different now <Burgundavia> but our doc is a clear deriv of the ubuntuguide.org one <rob^> yes, pretty much all the differences are mine and matts work <rob^> the way I see it is that if we still want to use gpl we can, as that is the orignal licence.. <rob^> but how does everyone see it? <Burgundavia> rob^, you want to ping mako on that one? <rob^> ok <rob^> after the meeting <Burgundavia> ya <Burgundavia> anything else on licensing> <Burgundavia> ? <Burgundavia> ok <Burgundavia> our linode server <rob^> no <jeffsch> i kinda like PD, the ultimate in free <Burgundavia> shall we defer till next meeting <Burgundavia> so mdke can present it? <Burgundavia> unless anybody else has ideas <jsgotangco> he's in his barrister ceremoney <jsgotangco> his officially a lawyer today <Burgundavia> lucky man <jsgotangco> i guess we can start an Ubuntu Legal team <jsgotangco> heh <rob^> heh <Burgundavia> ok, any further items for this meeting? <rob^> nup <jsgotangco> ok just a quickie, i'll do a team for us in launchpad and announce it later <Burgundavia> ok <jsgotangco> motu has one why don't we <Burgundavia> we already have a wiki team to <jsgotangco> yeah that's why... <jsgotangco> other than that, let's wait for our laptops :) <Burgundavia> ok then, I declare this meeting finished <Burgundavia> I will have a summary on the list soonish <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: thanks for filling up, i was at the wrong place at the wrong time..my dsl is still dead.. <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, np <jsgotangco> ok next meeting should be 2 weeks from now, 22UTC <jsgotangco> unless you've talked about the time issue <rob^> maybe <rob^> I'm going to email the list about it <jsgotangco> sure <rob^> not enough memebers here to discuss it <jsgotangco> but remember we're spanning across 2 oceans <rob^> yea I know! * ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Burgundavia] : Calendar -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar || Logs -- http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs || Tue 26 July 20:00 UTC: Tech Board -- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda || Tue 2 Aug 20:00 UTC Community Council -- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda || Fri Aug 5 20:00 UTC NUN -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NUNAgenda || Thu Aug 11 22:00 UTC Documentation Team -- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamMeetingAgenda <jsgotangco> 14UTC is like 7am in some areas in NA <Burgundavia> don't remind me <Burgundavia> sleep, whats sleep? <rob^> jsgotangco, its midnight here <jsgotangco> heck i've had it worse on 20utc meetings * ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Burgundavia] : Calendar -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar || Logs -- http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs || Tue 2 Aug 20:00 UTC Community Council -- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda || Fri Aug 5 20:00 UTC NUN -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NUNAgenda || Aug 9 July 20:00 UTC: Tech Board -- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda || Thu Aug 11 22:00 UTC Documentation Team -- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamMeetingAgenda <jsgotangco> :) <rob^> jsgotangco, I think the day needs to change <rob^> to like Friday or something <jeffsch> Burgundavia: in winter, 14UTC will be 6am here! <jsgotangco> rob^: sure, as long as it doesn't overlap with CC and TB meetings <rob^> yeah <jsgotangco> remember 22UTC for us is actually the next day <Burgundavia> yes <Burgundavia> jeffsch, where do you live? <jeffsch> vancouver <Burgundavia> that is crazy <rob^> 22z is 8am here <Burgundavia> anyway, we should get out of -meeting <Burgundavia> back to -doc all of you <rob^> the next day also <mpt> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs doesn't work <fabbione> what do you mean it doesn't work? <fabbione> be specific <mpt> sorry <mpt> fabbione: "The document contains no data." <fabbione> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ <fabbione> works here <fabbione> check your browser <mpt> the latter works <mpt> thanks <mpt> ... before it crashes Epiphany <mpt> yay for Crash Recovery :-) <fabbione> hppa: 71.91 % <fabbione> sparc: 75.17 % * fabbione still leads the race <fabbione> you also have less pkgs to build.... <fabbione> ia64: 89.25 % <highvoltage> hilaire: do you use squeak? <highvoltage> sorry, wrong window #ubuntu-meeting 2005-08-03 <mdz> Keybuk: hi <Keybuk> I did just brain sabdfl with a bread-roll, hang on, I'll go do it again <Keybuk> (re: mjg59) <sabdfl> greetings all <sabdfl> from the chicken pox capital of the world... <sabdfl> hi mjg59 <sabdfl> Keybuk: set? <Keybuk> yup, mdz: set? <mdz> Keybuk: on the phone with silbs right now, but can devote some cycles here <sabdfl> ready, steady, go <sabdfl> +1 <sabdfl> i win <mdz> +1 for mjg59 upload to mani <mdz> main <Keybuk> +1 also for mjg59 for main <sabdfl> all set then - mjg59, welcome aboard. elmo, could you add mjg59 to the keyring? <Keybuk> mjg59: congrats, etc. <mdz> mjg59: welcome aboard <mjg59> Thanks! <Nafallo> was that an extra meeting or something? :-) <Keybuk> yes, an extra-ordinary meeting of the TB <Nafallo> quick one :-) <ogra> Nafallo, one of the "very quick apptroval for really cool features" meetings <ogra> (the first one) ;) <Nafallo> hehe :-) <highvoltage> ogra: what's the really cool features? <ogra> usplash ;) <highvoltage> ogra: what is ubuntu express? is it the new ubuntu installer? <Kamion> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuExpress <ogra> highvoltage, a livecd installer <highvoltage> ogra: does the graphical installer have a name? <ogra> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuExpress <ogra> ubuntu express :) <highvoltage> ogra: but that's just for installing the live cd? i thought there's a gtk installer being made too, opr will that double as the live cd installer? <Kamion> no, that was deferred <Kamion> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/GraphicalInstaller #ubuntu-meeting 2005-08-04 * ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:robitaille] : Calendar -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar || Logs -- http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs || Tue 2 Aug 20:00 UTC: Community Council -- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda || Wed 3 Aug 22:00 UTC: MOTU -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMeeting || Fri 5 Aug 20:00 UTC: NUN -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NUNAgenda || Tue 9 Aug 20:00 UTC: Tech Board -- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda || Thu 11 Aug 22:00 UTC: Doc T <robitaille> added next MOTU meeting <robitaille> sigh....the topic is now too long... * ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:robitaille] : Calendar -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar || Logs -- http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs || Tue 2 Aug 20:00 UTC: Community Council http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda || Wed 3 Aug 22:00 UTC: MOTU http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMeeting || Fri 5 Aug 20:00 UTC: NUN http://wiki.ubuntu.com/NUNAgenda || Tue 9 Aug 20:00 UTC: Tech Board http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda || Thu 11 Aug 22:00 UTC: Doc Team http://wik * ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:robitaille] : Calendar -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar || Logs -- http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs || 2 Aug 20:00 UTC: Community Council http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda || 3 Aug 22:00 UTC: MOTU http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMeeting || 5 Aug 20:00 UTC: NUN http://wiki.ubuntu.com/NUNAgenda || 9 Aug 20:00 UTC: Tech Board http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda || 11 Aug 22:00 UTC: Doc Team http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Docteam * ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:robitaille] : Calendar -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar || 2 Aug 20:00 UTC: Community Council http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda || 3 Aug 22:00 UTC: MOTU http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMeeting || 5 Aug 20:00 UTC: NUN http://wiki.ubuntu.com/NUNAgenda || 9 Aug 20:00 UTC: Tech Board http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda || 11 Aug 22:00 UTC: Doc Team http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamMeetingAgenda #ubuntu-meeting 2005-08-07 <zed> hello :) <adomanski> hi <adomanski> Hi Sturmkind ;) <Sturmkind> hello adomanski ;-) <adomanski> hehe <Sturmkind> i think it's a english channel <adomanski> it is <Nafallo> mako: ping <Seveas> Nafallo, wait an hour :) <teolemon> what? <Sturmkind> *g* <adomanski> lol <teolemon> i thought that was Greenwich + ou - one <Nafallo> hmm, that was not the highlight I wanted ;-) <Yann2> teolemon > +2, we've summer hour <teolemon> okay <teolemon> so French time ? <teolemon> that would be ... <adomanski> 22 <teolemon> gosh <Seveas> teolemon, sate --utc <Seveas> date --utc even <teolemon> going to read a bit to wait <teolemon> see ya <Yann2> teolemon > qd on est en heure d't on a utc+2, en heure d'hiver UTC+2 <teolemon> et les anglais c'est pareil ? <teolemon> ou on est les seuls <Yann2> pareil :) <adomanski> http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?UTC/s/0/java <adomanski> lol <Yann2> erf <Sturmkind> hello daniel <dholbach> hello sascha <\sh> hey Sturmkind <\sh> dholbach: what a pleasure to see u :) <Sturmkind> hello \sh <dholbach> hai \sh :) <Sturmkind> where the shark is? <\sh> in kerpen..next to michael schumacher ,-) <Sturmkind> lol @ \sh <Sturmkind> \sh: i wish the shark near to the german po <Sturmkind> politicians <Sturmkind> :-) <\sh> hehe <\sh> ok..time to check the agenda ,) <Sturmkind> ok <\sh> who is jennylw? the standard girls name for someone not existent? <Sturmkind> lol <ubuntu_demon> hi <Seveas> 'navond Roald <ubuntu_demon> hi Seveas are you dutch ? <Seveas> ubuntu_demon, yup, je kent me zelfs ;) <ubuntu_demon> Seveas: dennis :) <Seveas> :D <ubuntu_demon> Seveas: did you see that I put my name on : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DutchTeamIdeas ? I would like to visit the next meeting <Seveas> ubuntu_demon, nice <Seveas> check out DutchTeamSpurt too <mako> Nafallo: hey <ubuntu_demon> Seveas: also if you need a moderator for http://www.ubuntu-linux.nl/forum/ I'm willing <Seveas> we're going to translate heaps of documentation in one weekend (5-6 nov) <Seveas> ubuntu_demon, ubuntu-linu.nl is a rogue site.. <ubuntu_demon> Seveas: I didn't know <Seveas> I've been trying to establish cooperation but they don't want to cooperate... <\sh> hey mako...still in the netherlands? <ogra> \sh, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JennyL%c3%b6%c3%b6w <ubuntu_demon> Seveas: then we won't cooperate with them ;) .. also it's better to have all of the forums in 1 place <mdke> Seveas, a translation weekend is an awesome idea <Seveas> mdke, we think so too <Sturmkind> Seveas: the same problem we have in germany with ubuntu-forum.de :-( <Yann2> we're going to make a "forum day" too ;) <Nafallo> mako: hi! can I ask you to look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JennyLw? :-) <Seveas> Nafallo, that's an empty page <Sturmkind> ogra: nice gothic style ;-) <Nafallo> mako: I'm not sure what a contribution is for translating girlfriends <Nafallo> Seveas: hmm, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JennyL%c3%b6%c3%b6w <ogra> Sturmkind, meet gothcat :) <Yann2> who is Josh Kresh? <Yann2> Kress? <Seveas> ah, there's content now <ogra> Yann2, yep <Seveas> 5 minutes ago there wasnt :) <Nafallo> Seveas: :-) <Sturmkind> ah thank you ogra <kinjoo> Josh Kress, that's me <ubuntu_demon> this is me : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RoaldHopman <kinjoo> Who' asking? <Nafallo> would that satisfy for a membership or what is missing? :-) <ogra> kinjoo, Yann2 was <Seveas> ubuntu_demon, wait your turn, the meeting didn't start yet :) <ubuntu_demon> Seveas: I know just wanted everyone to know who I am :-P <kinjoo> ogra: I see, but I wanted to know his/her real name ;-) <\sh> hmmm.... <\sh> weired <\sh> ffox should translate the umlauts to http conform character replacements <\sh> Nafallo: your girlfriend? then u cheated ,-) <Nafallo> \sh: hehe, cheated? :-) <Sturmkind> hello littlepaul <\sh> Nafallo: u put the content just now on it ,-) <Nafallo> \sh: she did actually :-) <Seveas> Yann2, btw: did you see my nice ubuntu-themed heatherjohnson@example.com/forum :) <Yann2> Seveas > :) <\sh> hmmm...i have to say: quattro formaggi pizza is nothing for me <\sh> it smells like stinky feet <Seveas> \sh, no cheese lover? <Mez> Tue Aug 2 19:59:41 UTC 2005 <\sh> meeting <Seveas> <public service announcement>Hi everybody. The CC meeting will start soon. Everybody who wants to become a member: please prepare a 3 line description of your work for Ubuntu so far, what you want to do and your vision about Ubuntu. And to everybody: please stay on-topic; the CC meetings take long. Going into off-topic discussions makes them even longer. Let's not repeat the debacle we saw last meeting. </public service announcement> <Seveas> Now please everybosy state your name for the record * Seveas = Dennis Kaarsemaker <Kamion> mako,elmo: around? <elmo> Kamion: yah * Kamion is Colin Watson * \sh = StephanHermann * Mez is Martin Meredith * adomanski = Alexander Domanski * smurfix is MatthiasUrlichs <Yann2> Yann Hamon, Ubuntu-fr locoteamleader. * dholbach is Daniel Holbach * ubuntu_demon = Roald Hopman * Nafallo = Christian Bjlevik <gothcat> Jenny Lw <ogra> <-- still OliverGrawert <Mez> ogra: :O <kinjoo> Josh Kress <smurfix> I need to run away for 15min or so, sorry :-/ <Yann2> (who's Josh Kress?) <Yann2> ahh ^^ <Sturmkind> Sascha Morr <Sturmkind> hello smurfix * littlepaul = Andreas Brunner * kolcvk Konstantin Kolcov <Yann2> who's leading the meeting? Seveas ? <Seveas> no, mako * jbailey = Jeff Bailey <ogra> Yann2, mako <\sh> Yann2: mako <\sh> ,-) <Yann2> k. <ju> Hi all <Mez> Kamion, do we have a sabdfl today? <ogra> Mez, doesnt look like <Kamion> Mez: no, he's too busy at the Brazil sprint apparently <Kamion> phone <Seveas> mako, is busy too it seems :) <Mez> elmo, looks like you're leading the meeting :P <\sh> actually..time to catch a beer <ogra> Seveas, s/busy/preparing/ ;) <elmo> hmm, where did mako go? we kind of need him for quorum <elmo> ok, let's have a brief on-hold, while we a) wait for kamion to finish talking to mark, b) try and get mako <ogra> he was here 15min ago... <mdke> elmo, got 2 secs for a PM? <Seveas> Nafallo, sent mako of to gothcat's wikipage <Seveas> maybe he fainted :) <Nafallo> lol <mdke> <-- (MatthewEast) <dholbach> hey mdke :) <Kamion> Mark sends his apologies by phone, as I said too busy <gothcat> Seveas: Thanx *smiling* * \sh was surprised...I thought gene simmons from kiss is using ubuntu and wants to apply for membership..after that he recruits us all for the "KISS Army" ,-) <dholbach> Kamion: tell him hi from us :) <mdke> hiya dholbach <Mez> \sh wha? <\sh> Mez: when I saw the first few lines of gothcats picture :) <smurfix> back <Seveas> wb <Seveas> the meeting dit not start yet <elmo> calling mako <Mez> \sh, you need a higher res <smurfix> Seveas: I notice ;-) <\sh> Mez: yes..:) 14" isn't good at all <\sh> cheers guys <\sh> and gals :) <Mez> \sh 14" = impressive <Sturmkind> \sh: hm i should have a look at gothcat's pictures ;-) <elmo> mako's just getting online <mako> ok <mako> that was easy <Kamion> guys, leching at prospective members is hereby off-topic <mako> i was *sure* it was in two hours <mako> i didn't have a chance to look at the agenda <elmo> yeah, off-topic and unpleasant, please try and have a little respect <Kamion> (right) <gothcat> \sh: I'm actually a big KISS fan :) but I'm a goth so thats way I have so much makeup :D <Seveas> I meant no disrespect. If anybody thoght that, I hereby apologize. <\sh> gothcat: as I said..the picture wasn't there completly..I just saw the white colour :) <mako> alrigght everyone <\sh> second seveas <Sturmkind> gothcat: the goth makeup looks chute ;-) <mako> ok <gothcat> Sturmkind: thanx <mako> are people waiting for me to chair this again? <mdke> ;) <smurfix> mako: probably <mako> alright <kolcvk> :) <ogra> mako, who else should lead us :) <elmo> mako: if you don't mind <mako> lets get this party started <mako> i am Benjamin Mako Hill <mako> and i have just now looked at the agenda due to thinko :) <ogra> <-- OliverGrawert <Kamion> we've done the roll-call, let's move on <mako> alright <mako> so loco team leaders <ogra> Seveas ... * mako nods to smurfix <kolcvk> :) <mako> Seveas: you're up <mako> Seveas: what needs to change? <Seveas> ok then, I've taken over Treenaks' position as leader lately <mako> alright <mako> Treenaks: you around? <Seveas> unfortunately not <mako> Seveas: while we're on the topic, is it worth talking about the two dutch teams? <smurfix> Seveas: tell us a bit about sourself? <mako> and what is going to happen with it <Seveas> mako, not yet, there are still some struggles going on after initial success <Yann2> mako > Josh Kress and I agreed, Ubuntu marketing effort and Ubuntu europe topics should be merged <Seveas> basically the 'others' refuse to cooperate <mako> Seveas: yeah, why don't you talk Treenaks sounds good <Kamion> what's the reasoning there? * ogra guesses the 'others' say that too <kinjoo> mako: approved, merge topics! * mako nods to kinjoo <Seveas> Kamion, ubuntu-linux.nl is part of alleslinux.com and as such wants no cooperation with official teams <Seveas> but they do get on our nerves by not even linking to the official dutch dite <Seveas> site* * mako is alright with overlapping loco teams but would like to avoid them <mdke> Seveas, do they even answer your mails now? <Yann2> CC agenda updated. <Seveas> mdke, yes, finally after 2 months <mako> Seveas: well, as the team with official blessing.. you guys should play teh nice guy <mdke> progress :) <Seveas> mako, we do :) <mako> i hvae a dialog with the guy from the second team and can help to put pressure on either side if you want <Seveas> mako, let's take that out of the meeting, this would be off-topic for now... <mako> alright <mako> Seveas: anything else to report with the team? <Seveas> yeah <Seveas> we're goinf to have a weekend-long translation spurt to translate a lot of documentation <dholbach> cool :) <mdke> +++ <mako> Seveas: awesome <Seveas> And the idea sounded so good to me that I want to spread it :) <mako> Seveas: you should write that up and send it sounder <Seveas> mako, will do once the plans are final <mako> try to use it as a model for the other teams <mako> cool! <mako> Seveas: anything else? <Seveas> not unless someone has questions <smurfix> Seveas: Cool. Please update the LoCoTeamsList ;-) <mako> cool <mako> Yann2: you're up\ <Yann2> thx. <mako> Yann2: whats up with the french team? <Yann2> Well, the german teaam and french team had some hosting problem, a few while ago <Yann2> i told you about that. <Yann2> you told us to find some host ourselves, as the ubuntu foundation couldn't help <mdke> Yann2, we're on the team leader part of the agenda right now <Yann2> Oh. <Yann2> hm, . I'm already team leader... <mdke> that's what I thought too... <mdke> ;) <ogra> Yann2, your ip indicates that youre in germany... <Yann2> i suppose i shouldn't have noted my name on the agenda, then :) <Yann2> ogra > i am ;) <Yann2> well, sorry, let's move on. <Virtuall> argh... but I probably should :( <Seveas> Virtuall, -> next time <mako> ok.. lets move on :) <ogra> does anyone els think its funny that the .it team has a british settled leader and the french one a german one ? <ogra> else even <Seveas> KyleBrooks <mako> Yann2: unless you had something you needed in front of the council <Virtuall> :) <Yann2> ogra > i'm french. Studiing in germany. Coming back to france in one month. We're off topic ;) <mdke> ogra, at least Yann2 is actually french ;) <Seveas> kbrooks apparently is not present <smurfix> mako: we do, but UbuntuEurope is further down on the agenda. <mdke> ogra, also, the -it team doesn't have a leader :D <Seveas> RoaldHopman -> ubuntu_demon you're up <mako> ok <ubuntu_demon> ok <ogra> mdke, :) <ubuntu_demon> I'm a moderator of ubuntuforums. (ubuntu_demon) <ubuntu_demon> I will continue helping people as a moderator for the foreseeable future. Also I've got some other thoughts/ideas.See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RoaldHopman for some of them. Maybe it would be nice to blog about some of them on Planet Ubuntu. <mako> wow, people already know the routine :) <mdke> oh wow you're THAT ubuntu_demon :) <ubuntu_demon> mdke: yeah I am :) <mdke> nice work <Seveas> mako, I gave the instructions prior to the meeting :) <Mez> +1 for Forums work <mako> since i'm not on the forums, are there are people here who can vouch for ubuntu_demon's forum work? <mdke> yeah <Seveas> ubuntu_demon, as forum helper, fif you join the NewUserNetwork? <mdke> he does good work <Seveas> did* * Mez can vouch for him <Kamion> (detail's good) <ubuntu_demon> mako: you can read everything about me on the forums and my wiki if you want :-P <Kamion> lots of posts, mind <gothcat> I have been translating in Rosetta so far and I will continue to do so. Yesterday I became an approver <Seveas> ubuntu_demon, that's not the point, we need people to vouch for you with details on why you should be a member <Mez> ubuntu_demon, has given lots and lots of support on the forums, and also does a great job of keeping them in order. <gothcat> oops <Kamion> ubuntu_demon: that takes a bit long for these meetings, summaries are our friends :) <Mez> gothcat: wait your turn <ubuntu_demon> Kamion: ok :) <siretart> hi folks! <Sturmkind> we was at ubuntu-fr and Yann2 ? <Nafallo> Mez: she didn't realize the enter key was that close ;-) <mdke> post count is a reasonable indication of ubuntu_demon's work <Mez> Nafallo, sorry :D automativ <mako> alright <Kamion> ubuntu_demon: what would you say the top couple of issues you regularly help people with are? (curious) <mako> i've seen ubuntu_demon around.. i'm happy apprroving him for membership based on forums contributions <mako> but would still like to hear the answer to Kamion <ubuntu_demon> Kamion: that really depends :) <ubuntu_demon> Kamion: often I just have to tell people to take a look at the ubuntuguide first * Seveas suggests: more forum people in here during CC meetings is forum people want to be members. ubuntu_demon can you please contact other forum staff and moderators to be here in such occasions <mdke> Seveas, + <ubuntu_demon> Seveas: Do you want me to ask other moderators and such to become Ubuntu member ? <mako> ubuntu_demon: yes.. i think people that put in significant time in leadership roles in the forums should be * Mez pokes Ryan and gets him to jump on IRC (if he's around) <ubuntu_demon> mako: Okay I will <mako> Kamion, elmo: any feelings? <\sh> is there any possibility to feed the forum boards to nntp? <mako> \sh: lets talk about this after the meeting <Seveas> fwiw, /me knows ubuntu_demon IRL and he's not a bad guy out there too <\sh> mako: sure.. <ubuntu_demon> any questions to me ? <Mez> mako: ubuntu-geek is on his way to vouch for ubuntu_demon <elmo> sorry, I'm just trying to catch up on the forums quickly <Kamion> likewise <Seveas> oh, and why is it that some parts on the forum are only visible when logged in? <Seveas> that is crap imao... <ubuntu_demon> Seveas: I didn't know since I am always logged in .. which parts do you mean ? <Mez> Seveas, thats something to addresa fter the meeting ;)( <Seveas> Mez, sure, if you know why please tell me later <elmo> I think I'm happy to ack based on the recommendation of mako and the forum folks <Kamion> yeah, likewise I think <Mez> evening mdz :P <mdz> Mez: yes? <ubuntu_demon> mdz = ubuntu_geek ?I will continue helping people as a moderator for the foreseeable future. Also I've got some other thoughts/ideas.See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RoaldHopman for some of them. Maybe it would be nice to blog about some of them on Planet Ubuntu. <ubuntu_demon> sorry <Mez> mdz, I was just greeting you <Kamion> it's hard for somebody who doesn't follow the fora full-time to have a feel for what somebody does <Seveas> Kamion, that's why I suggested more forum-people-presence at CC meetings <ubuntu_demon> I accidentally pasted again :-P <mdz> Mez: ":P"? <Seveas> it will be a nice task for member(-to-be) ubuntu_demon to arranhe that <Mez> mdz it was just a smiley, I use them all the time :P <mdz> ubuntu_demon: no, I am not ubuntu_geek <ubuntugeek> hello :) <Mez> ubuntugeek, = ubuntu-geek <ubuntu_demon> hi ubuntugeek :) <dholbach> where are we now? <ubuntugeek> hey guys :) <ubuntugeek> not sure if i am too late but ubuntu_demon has done tons for the forums so he gets my vote.. <elmo> ok, so that's three acks, shall we move on? * \sh lost the string <mako> yes <Seveas> yes please :) <ubuntu_demon> thnx guys :) <mako> # <mako> AlexanderDomanski <Seveas> ubuntu_demon, welcom aboard the Ubuntu ship <Seveas> send a signed CoC to mako <adomanski> Thank You Mako <ubuntu_demon> Seveas: explain about that CoC in private <adomanski> At the moment I am working as a news poster and wiki heatherjohnson@example.com. Till now I have been writing lots of german documentation and have been writing in the german forum. I am also working on an better rescue mode for Ubuntu, the new idea pool (topic today) a small usability study for the upcoming breezy release, some small tools to improve Breezy (nothing official yet), testing Breezy and thinking about usabilit <adomanski> y in general. My goals for Ubuntu would be to make it even easier and to be encouraged enough to go other ways. <ogra> adomanski, you do ltsp stuff ? <adomanski> yes ogra <Seveas> adomanski, sounds good. Any ubuntu-de guys around to vouch for you? * littlepaul votes <dholbach> adomanski: what do you mean by "be encouraged enough to go other ways"? "other ways" like in derivatives? <ogra> adomanski, we should talk in #edubuntu after the meeting ;) <mako> littlepaul: votes in what way? :) <adomanski> dholbach: go go other ways than other distribution <adomanski> ogra: ok <ogra> :) <smurfix> +1 for adomanski <Sturmkind> +1 for adomanski <kinjoo> +1 for adomanski * Mez abstains <Kamion> adomanski: I haven't heard about the rescue mode improvements; feel free to get in touch with me offline about that, since I'm the main rescue mode author <\sh> ogra: he is a good candidate for motu ;) <mdke> Mez, what from? <ogra> +1 for adomanski if he does mdz the favor of a ltsp test install ;) <adomanski> Kamion: ok. send me an irc memo. documentation is atm only in german <littlepaul> mako, i support and agree to adomanski description <Kamion> adomanski: the link on your wiki page is dead <Mez> mdke - a + or a - <adomanski> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlexanderDomanski should work <mako> adomanski: i woudl sugggest that your wiki page be a bit more developed <\sh> adomanski: u should join motu..with your skills... <Kamion> adomanski: no, the IsolatedRescueEnvironment one <adomanski> \sh: i can't do packaging <adomanski> Kamion: seems to be deleted <ogra> adomanski, asy to learn ;) <\sh> adomanski: ??? DPKG packaging <Kamion> as is BreezyUsabilityStudy <\sh> it's written on your page <ogra> s/asy/easy <adomanski> \sh: not THAT good <Kamion> not good enough for MOTU? <ogra> adomanski, doesnt matter.... its a matter of training :) <adomanski> Kamion: no. I would not like to see my packages in universe ;= <adomanski> ogra: sure <mdke> the page is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlexanderDomanski <\sh> adomanski: well...motu is a way to improve <Seveas> adomanski, why don't you want that? <ogra> adomanski, we can teach you everything you need... the only thing you have to do is getting practice yourself :) <adomanski> \sh: i guess it is. but i am not., well ready for it. you see? <\sh> and we need some python guys <adomanski> \sh: give me some time. <\sh> adomanski: I wasn't ready at all ... anyways... <ogra> adomanski, just try it... if you cant make it you can still step back ... <adomanski> no really. being an ubuntu member is just enough for me atm <dholbach> adomanski: don't worry, we won't make you sign a contract now :-) <adomanski> dholbach: rofl <\sh> dholbach: well...motu is a contract with the devil^h^h^h^h^hogra,-) <adomanski> ;D <Nafallo> haha <Seveas> we're dwelling off-topic a bit <Kamion> I tend to agree that the wiki page needs to be fleshed out; it's hard for me to see what you've done as opposed to what you're interested in doing, if you see what I mean <elmo> yeah <Seveas> anybody want to vouch for/vote against adomanski ? <mako> adomanski: want to work on documenting and linking the things you've worked on and then come back to the next meeting? <mako> adomanski: i'm happy to work with you in the next two weeks to do this <mako> adomanski: it's not a comment on the work you've done just.. just how visible it is the council <ogra> MOTU would be too :) <adomanski> mako: im on holidays then <Seveas> adomanski, then try two weeks later :) <mako> adomanski: well.. if you work on the page and talk about it first.. we won't require you to show up again <adomanski> mako: what do you mean? <mako> adomanski: well.. work on the page before hand, run it by me.. and then you don't need to actually who up at the meeting <mako> adomanski: so being on holiday shouldn't be an issue <mako> adomanski: is that alright? <adomanski> mako: ok. I will do that. <Kamion> thanks dude <mako> JonathanJesse <mako> you're up <mdke> he is not here right now <mako> alright next <Seveas> gothcat <gothcat> I have been translating in Rosetta so far and I will continue to do so. Yesterday I became an approved member of Ubuntu Swedish Translators. I will continue translating and maybe join the artwork team. <mako> JennyLw <gothcat> hi <ogra> mako, gothcat <Nafallo> I can vouch for her and tell you that she is nervous :-) <Kamion> have you been lurking on the art team to date? I haven't heard much from it (no reflection on them, I just haven't been paying attention) <Kamion> so curious <mako> is there a way we can get rosetta stats? <adomanski> users page <Nafallo> mako: there is a link on her wiki :-) <mdke> https://launchpad.net/people/gothcat/+translations <mako> i see that <mako> ....now * ogra knows gothcat already made good improvement suggestions for the new icon theme to the artwork team <mdke> nice work :D <gothcat> Kamion: right now its much about icons.. <ogra> Kamion, i'm there all the time... still sorting themselves out <elmo> thos translation stats are kind of lame * Kamion gets briefly lost in launchpad links <elmo> err, not gothcats <mdke> elmo, yeah that is a real new feature <elmo> I mean the page in general. the LP team needs some stats pr0n investment <Nafallo> elmo: agreed <mako> gothcat: how long have you been doing translations?? how many messages (order of magnitude) have you do so far? <mako> elmo: dude, be careful making ridiculous suggestion for lp <gothcat> sice rosetta was launched <mako> elmo: thhey will be accepted <ogra> lol <Nafallo> I've watched her made a lot, also filled a bug about them not being seen :-P <gothcat> I dont know how many I dont count them <Nafallo> mako: she's been using evenings for it atleast :-) <\sh> Nafallo: jealous? ;) <Nafallo> and sometimes nights <Nafallo> \sh: you got me ;-) <mako> is there anyone else here who can vouch for gothcat and her contributions <mako> ? <mako> i am no thrilled with the reporting funcionality of lp but am not going to hold that against gothcat :) * ogra vouches for her icon ideas... <Kamion> I'm generally OK with acking people based on translation work, obviously <Kamion> so fine with me, despite lp's dodgy stats :) * mako is fine as well <elmo> yeah, ack <mako> el ? <Nafallo> I can put my eyes as translation status report tools or something :-) * Seveas brb - cat emergency <mdke> ouch <gothcat> thanks guys :D <mdke> welcome gothcat, nice work <Kamion> somebody please raise stats issues as a Rosetta bug, if it's not there already <Mez> gothcat, signed CoC, on mako's desk :P <ogra> welcome gothcat :) <mdke> Kamion, i'm sure they are working on it, because that feature has only just been implemented afaik <Nafallo> yay! :-) <gothcat> Mez:
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