#ubuntu-us-fl 2011-04-01 <zoopster> that was the funniest post ever by Jono <zoopster> I still love empathy ;) <zoopster> anyone else read Jono's confession? <mhall119> I didn't know who Jef Spaleta was <zoopster> mhall119: you didn't??? omg <zoopster> I'm shocked he wasn't the first to reply to jono's post <munz> lol <MichelleQ> mhall119: I didn't get it either. <DammitJim> is there a command line utility that can let you copy a directory but only for certain file types? <DammitJim> like if I have 100 directories with jpg files and avi files, but I only want to copy all the jpg files... <dantalizing> dammitjim you may be better off using 'find' <dantalizing> morning <nightfrog> Good morning <nightfrog> Sunshine for the first time in a few days, so I can actually tell its morning :-) <mhall119> yeah, it's nice out today <nightfrog> Great day to go to the neighbors and clean up all the debris from the storm and make some extra $ <maxolasersquad> So, are we going to shut the channel down today as planned? <reya276> Morning Everyone <reya276> man they have a nice April Fools article http://www.infoworld.com/t/misadventures/shocker-redmond-microsoft-turns-linux-020 and they got me real good too. <reya276> nice http://www.google.com/hotpot# <maxolasersquad> hotpot++ <dorgan> anyone going to BarCamp tomorrow? <maxolasersquad> dorgan: Where's it at? <dorgan> Orlando <dorgan> http://www.barcamporlando.com <maxolasersquad> Damn, I wish I had known about it. <reya276> yeah me too <dorgan> follow @barcamporlando on twitter this way you'll know when the next one is <maxolasersquad> I just did, and joined the low-bandwidth Google group. <dorgan> http://www.hulu.com/ <dorgan> they did a 90's throwback redesign on their site for AF <maxolasersquad> dorgan: The HTML on hulu.com is still post 90's. <maxolasersquad> Lower-case and closed tags? Not in the 90's. <maxolasersquad> They should have designed the page in FrontPage. :) <pak33m> dorgan: thanks for the reminder (been buried in the sand so long now) think I'll make it out there <maxolasersquad> Oh wow. Check out xkcd.com <pak33m> wait, my head has been buried for way too long. now there's too many things to do and I have all the weekend free. <pak33m> how do I go to gj today, tomorrow and barcamp (maybe) all in one go <DammitJim> pak33m, weren't you the main character in burried alive? <DammitJim> ;0 <pak33m> what's that? <DammitJim> since you said you've been buried in the sand <DammitJim> did you go to the beach for spring break or something? <pak33m> ah, yes <pak33m> lawls <DammitJim> woot woot? <pak33m> I did only get one day this week to do with the kidos and it was a real hoot <dorgan> pak33m: if you actually get there gimme a call 707.728.7583 <DammitJim> where did you guys go? <pak33m> dorgan: will you be a the global jams at all? <dorgan> global jam is tomorrow right? <pak33m> dorgan: well, I was just explaining indirectly how far in I've had my head buried of late so I'm just getting the details. shame, I know <dorgan> LOL...if the global jam is tomorrow which I believe it is no...I will be at barcamp all day and then maybe the afterparty afterwards <dorgan> its a shame but I comitted to barcamp months ago...and then the global jam date was announced <pak33m> dorgan: well, f course my loyalties lie with the team :) <dorgan> understandable <pak33m> although, I'm kid free all this weekend <dorgan> my loyalty lies with who ever I commit to first...and had i known ahead of time that would have been the team but I didnt so i commited to showing up early to help out the barcamp <dorgan> so like I said if you end up for some reason making it there give me a call <pak33m> cool, will do <DammitJim> man, why is everything in xkcd.com in "3D" this week?' <maxolasersquad> DammitJim: Why isn't everything in 3D every week? <DammitJim> cause it gives me a headache ;_ <DammitJim> ;) <dorgan> http://us.toshiba.com/spectacle <maxolasersquad> I like 3D, but I'm waiting for holligrams. <DammitJim> dorgan, I'm a doctor, not a pirate! <maxolasersquad> I might be waiting for holograms even. <reya276> is this true or another April Fools prank http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/LizaMoon-Mass-SQL-Injection-Attack-Escalates-Out-of-Control-378108/ <reya276> oops I guess not <reya276> Commenters asked Websense why researchers were so convinced it was a SQL injection on multiple Websites and not a mass cross-site-scripting attack. The researchers said theyâd been contacted by people who have seen the code in their Microsoft SQL Server 2003 and 2005 databases <maxolasersquad> The vulnerabilities werenât within the database software, but âmost likely in the Web systems used by these sites, such as outdated CMS and blog systems,â Runald said. <reya276> nah I bet it was in their SQL servers, LOL glad we dumped that garbage DB <reya276> man I hope that link about WINUX was indeed an april fools joke I would hate to have all these attacks being directed towards Linux <govatent> hello #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-04-02 <maddog_2009> hey anyody doing global jam <pak33m> maddog_2009: i was trying to get out there today. had a bunch to do earlier. are you all at the library? <maddog_2009> yea but Chris is at the new Viera hospital opening working problems <pak33m> oic <pak33m> it's been hard for me to leave the poolside <pak33m> ;) <crashsystems> Anyone else having a problem in 11.04 where the Unity file search only finds files you've opened recently? #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-04-03 <mhall119> crashsystems: is that the file lense or zeitgiest? <crashsystems1> File lense, which I think uses zeitgeist <crashsystems1> I've noticed that if it is something I have opened since I upgraded to 11.04 it will come up in the file lense search, but if not it won't. <mhall119> maybe you need to turn on indexing? <crashsystems1> mhall119: any idea how that is done? <mhall119> not in 11.04, no, it's under "Search & Indexing" under the Preferences menu in 10.10 <crashsystems1> mhall119: no such option in 11.04 <mhall119> crashsystems: then I'm not sure, and I don't have the source to look at atm #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-04-04 <reya276> morning everyone <mhall119> morning reya276 <DammitJim> morning <reya276> hey is 11.04 going to be an LTS version? <reya276> also has anyone used 11.04 with an ATI graphics card? <reya276> I am digging this http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/five-neat-unity-lenses-in-development/ <Chloric> Hey guys, hey govatent <Chloric> hey mhall, you there? <govatent> i am <Chloric> No cookies gova <Chloric> NO COOKIES <DammitJim> ugh... I was typing an email and I kept hitting tab to complete typing referring (I had only typed refer) <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: ping <DammitJim> do you guys know why while I'm doing an rsync the system could be skipping files? <DammitJim> is there a log the rsync creates? <mhall119> DammitJim: did you specify files to be excluded? <mhall119> is it not following symlinks? <mhall119> do you not have read-permissions for those files? <reya276> hey I was reading a couple of articles about Unity. There are some folks whom are saying is unusable. To be this seems weird because I have been using it since last week Friday and it run and works pretty well. <mhall119> reya276: when they say it's unusable, read it as "It's different from what I'm used to and change scares me" <mhall119> people said the same about moving window controls to the left <mhall119> turns out, our brains aren't hard-wired to a specific computer interface, and we can all adapt fairly easily <reya276> then there are those stating that they are going to move away from ubuntu and stuff like that. Seriously I'm starting to get pretty disgusted with some <reya276> of these Linux users, I believe and feel that thus far this has been the best Linux distribution ever. <mhall119> reya276: don't worry too much about it, there are always some people that say that about every change in every cycle <mhall119> honestly though, it shouldn't be a problem that people switch distros, that's the whole point of having multiple distros <DammitJim> mhall119, no, not at all: rsync -rtvx --delete /opt/pics /media/backup/ <mhall119> if Fedora fits their needs better, then they should switch. <reya276> Also here is a Guy(Mark) whom is pretty much putting up the cash for all of this, while creating jobs and bringing people together in the process and all people <reya276> can do is complaint and be selfish <mhall119> DammitJim: I'm not sure then, rsync isn't my strong suit <mhall119> reya276: like I said, don't worry too much about it <mhall119> some people will leave for other distros, others will came into Ubuntu because of Unity. Distro usage is and should be fluid <reya276> oh I'm not worried its more of me being angry about it. People suck and very often have zero common sense <mhall119> true, but it's not worth the added blood pressure of getting angry over it <reya276> and your right but they should not bad mouth or somehow make it seem as though Mark/Ubuntu/Unity is the worst thing to have hit this planet <mhall119> shouldn't, but it's gonna happen. The best we can do is not let that kind of thing side-track us from making Ubuntu what we want it to be <reya276> what I don't understand is what part of Unity is not usable? I mean they don't give any specifics <mhall119> reya276: like I said, it's just that it's different <reya276> so the damn thing does not run on a P4 and you need a good graphics card so what <mhall119> it probably will run on a P4, and all you need is something with an OpenGL capable chipset <mhall119> my EeePC 701, with it's 900MHz Celeron can run Unity, though it can be slow at times <reya276> well I see it like this if it is going to attract more people and get more products/drivers and mainstream software to be available for Ubuntu/Linux then I'm all for it. <govatent> i just loaded ubuntu on a 2ghz celeron with 512 mb of ddr1 ram. runs ok. nvidia 32 mb geforce 440 agp gpu <reya276> well but for something like that it would be better to use Elementary OS or Mint and it is still Debian/Ubuntu based <mhall119> Unity isn't really heavy, and offloading more to the GPU frees the CPU for better uses <mhall119> remember, Unity is just an extra Compiz plugin <reya276> really? <mhall119> pretty much <reya276> wow <mhall119> it's a pretty complex and powerful compiz plugin <mhall119> but it's not like it's a whole new desktop UI <mhall119> it's still mostly Gnome <crashsystems> yeah, doing it all in compiz seemed kinda weird, but I'm liking the results <reya276> so what happens if compiz stops working then the entire system goes? <crashsystems> reya276: compiz restarts <mhall119> reya276: I think, for 11.04 anyway, you fall back to the "classic" gnome desktop if Compiz won't run <reya276> ah ok <mhall119> right, what crashsystems said, compiz will restart if it's just a crash <reya276> I have it on my laptop now and it runs fairly well <mhall119> in 11.10, Unity 2D will be the fallback if you can't run Compiz <reya276> well it actually runs great <reya276> is 11.04 an LTS version? <crashsystems> I think 12.04 will be lts <crashsystems> they probably would not put a brand new gnome shell on an LTS <reya276> oh so 10.04 is going to last until 12.04 is released then <reya276> because that is what I'm running on all of our servers here <reya276> except for our email server which williamsmith@example.net <crashsystems> IIRC there is some overlap with LTSes so you don't have to switch the moment a new one comes out. Also, server LTS lasts longer than desktop LTS <reya276> yeah, I'm not using the actual server versions, my boss wants the damn desktop on them <crashsystems> o_O <crashsystems> well you could install the server version and then apt-get install a gnome desktop <crashsystems> I think there is a meta package for a minimal gnome install, so you don't waste space on things like openoffice etc <reya276> so that non-savvy linux users can use it just like if they were using windows, which I think it sucks, I told him we can use Lanscape or Webmin to manage them but it fell on death ears <crashsystems> that way could could have a gui and a longer support lts, plus server kernel <reya276> gnome or Ubuntu desktop? <crashsystems> gnome. the ubuntu-desktop package will install gnome and all the stuff that comes on the default desktop cd <crashsystems> gnome will just give you X and a basic gnome desktop <reya276> yeah I had no idea you could do that, but its all the same thing with the exception of not having the cloud services <crashsystems> then you selectively install the things you need <crashsystems> well, the server kernel is different from the desktop kernel, and a desktop install has lots of stuff you don't need, even if you do need a gui <reya276> ah ok, that is what I will do then in the future <crashsystems> I think the package is gnome-minimal or some such, but I don't have ubuntu in front of me ATM <reya276> well me personally I have gotten used to using webmin to do everything or CLI <reya276> the one thing I have noticed about the desktop version as opposed to the server version is that for example if you want to add multiple IP addresses to your network connection it is easier to do it in the desktop version <reya276> since all you got to do is right-click and modify the connection and just add IPs as oppose to finding the network config file and all that <crashsystems> now that I'm in web security and have played with webmin a bit, I cringe to think of all the vulnerabilities webmin likely has. <reya276> so if you have windows admins whom have never touched a Linux server that would be the best way to introduced them to it <reya276> right but webmin is never used on external IP addresses <crashsystems> having it internal only helps, but it does not solve the problem <crashsystems> internal only IP would not prevent XSS or CSRF <reya276> yes that is true <reya276> I wonder what is the difference between landscape and webmin <crashsystems> my job has made me much more paranoid about the internet <crashsystems> IIRC landscape focuses on clustered package management and reporting, plus is ubuntu spcific, while webmin is more generalized, multi-distro and is not focused on clustering. <reya276> well but we have configured webmin in a clustered enviornment <reya276> as it has the capability of doing so <crashsystems> it has some clustering capabilities, but thats not its strong point, and it wouldn't scale very well #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-04-05 <DammitJim> what can I use to compare the contents of 2 directories (recursively)? <munz> DammitJim, diff? <DammitJim> thanks, got it! <munz> no prob... what did u use? <DammitJim> I had used diff <DammitJim> but I couldn't belive my eyes when it printed so much stuff <DammitJim> now I find out that cp or rsync were having problems with files in the same directory with the same name, but different case <munz> ohhhh ok <munz> ok, i have a weird bug... i've had it for a bit and been ignoring it. <munz> if i leave firefox maximized, and my computer locks the screen, when i unlock it, <munz> if i type in to the search it will keep highlighting the text after like 1 or 2 charters <munz> sooo if i type any more it replaces the text.. <munz> if i minimize it and restore it it works right <munz> any ideas.. <munz> oh.. 10.10 and ff 3.6.15 <munz> anyone around? <munz> actually... this is reproduced on 4 different systems one is 10.04 others 10.10 <reya276> Morning Everyone <munz_werk_> mornin reya276 <DammitJim> morning <reya276> a very good article http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3929866/Problems-Linux-Enthusiasts-Refuse-to-Address.htm <reya276> and I think that guy is on to something which I myself have been trying to promote. Windows and OSX users in general are idiots (no-offense). And if we want to get those users to switch over we have to make things as easy as possible means (GUI) and Marketing(lots of it) <reya276> in Ubuntu repositories there is nearly an application substitute for everything that 90% of those users need and if not their is an actual Linux version if those apps, so what is the problem? <reya276> Its called NO MARKETING STRATEGY <reya276> Ubuntu is on to something now, with the way they are focusing on it. Now they are providing good tech along with good marketing, but what we need is Viral Marketing and only we can provide that <reya276> And we have sooooo many outlets to provide this on that it is laughable <zoopster> I don't think it's that simple, reya276 <zoopster> A commenter basically stated the problem <zoopster> it's predatory, monopolistic practices employed by microsoft <zoopster> when linux vendors strike deals with big box companies, they are blackmailed into submission <DammitJim> I'd be the last one to say that it's hard to convince someone to use a linux machine when they are used to Office 2007 <zoopster> DammitJim: what do you mean? <DammitJim> I say last because the first will be last and the last will be first ;) <zoopster> the reason I ask is I've never used office 2007 <DammitJim> openoffice isn't "pretty enough" that's what my wife said <reya276> Ubuntu has already started this. The issue is that you have these jealous Linux users or those of whom love their CLI and now that Ubuntu has opted to provide more Windows like experience while still maintaining better security <reya276> and those other aspects of Linux. And all I've been hearing is all this noise on how they are going to switch, so let them who cares. They want to be stuck in the 90's and early 2000 then so be it. But it can be done and Ubuntu is trying to do it all it needs is our support <DammitJim> but that's not a linux problem.. that's an openoffice problem... oh, and the fact that she can't edit pptx files <reya276> zoopster, to some extend you are right, but MS can't black mail you right...because you are devoted to a cause. Marking matters <zoopster> agreed, but the biggest marketing problem at present is availability <zoopster> according to that article <zoopster> and I believe that to be the case <reya276> so yes on the Big Box level no Linux can't and probably will never get the same exposure say like on TV or radio or on Big Box vendor websites, but we can still make this thing Viral and that is what I'm talking about <reya276> but you are forgetting that most people live glued on to their PC's and TV has at some level become a secondary thing. <DammitJim> reya276, are you saying that exposure on TV can't be there because there is no funding for it? or am I missing your point? <reya276> We the community have to make it happen and to some extend we have, but now is the time to do it because Ubuntu has actually moved on to present day eye-candy status and believe me when I tell you most users whom are not power users love eye-candy and being able to point-click and done. <reya276> and 11.04 has finally gotten to that Level. Yes there will be some hardware issue along the way but in tutorials and software/HW support channels we have to make it a priority to state it, you don't go buying a Toshiba PC and spec Ubuntu to work 100% out of the box, for that you get a Dell. So what I mean is we have to look at the numbers. <reya276> Which brand of PCs does Ubuntu works out of the box with and with very minor issues. <reya276> once we figure that out, we can actually start advertising ourselves and letting the new Windows/OSX users in order for Ubutu to work out of the Box you Need XYZ period. Apple does it and their users are just fine with it right <reya276> forget about the existing Linux users they already know what the deal is, the focus needs to be on New and only New users <reya276> in fact most of these so-called Ubuntu followers are jumping ship because they don't like the existing version is too much point-click for them...trust me I've read about this junk all day yesterday. <reya276> sorry the upcoming version 11.04 <DammitJim> reya276, dude, calm down... you are right, you've read too much junk yesterday <DammitJim> :D <mhall119> morning <DammitJim> but after all you've typed, what are you suggesting we do? 2 or 3 specific action points <DammitJim> hey mhall119 <reya276> DammitJim, I am calm just merely making a point <DammitJim> reya276, I guess I meant calm the typing down LOL <reya276> sure.... <DammitJim> man, I hope I didn't piss of reya276 <zoopster> well crap reya left <zoopster> dammit DammitJim <DammitJim> yup, you got it, zoopster <DammitJim> have you guys used google cloud print? * crashsystems wants to play with cloud print for fun n' profit <DammitJim> Linux support coming soon? WTH? <crashsystems> btw dantalizing, zoopster and anyone else with a nexus: http://www.whispersys.com/whispercore.html * maxolasersquad Wants to play with cloud print as soon as Google support Linux. <DammitJim> I guess for now It's going to be just print through VPN <crashsystems> I'll be amused if someone finds a way to force other people's printers to print random stuff. <crashsystems> analog spam FTL <maxolasersquad> I wish there was a way I could disconnect my GMail from my other Google service, authentication-wise. <maxolasersquad> So if someone hacks any of my other Google services, my GMail is not touched. <crashsystems> you could set up a google apps account for your domain, and deactivate all other services. <crashsystems> I just wish there was a desktop/phone email interface I liked, along with an email server that had easy maintenance. <DammitJim> man, why is it so hard to get A2DP support on linux?! <DammitJim> dantalizing, do you have boxee on a pc? #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-04-06 <Chloric> hey guys, evening all <mhall119> bbl, gonna go test Natty <Chloric> hey mhall, are you there? <mhall119> Chloric: I am now <mhall119> running Natty <Chloric> oh good <mhall119> what's up? <Chloric> and niiiice. i switched over to Elementary OS <Chloric> oh, i had a few questions <mhall119> how are you liking it? <Chloric> I'm loving eOS from even at its infancy <Chloric> but yeah, i had a few question <Chloric> your project, Qimo, do you receive any funding? <mhall119> shoot <mhall119> we get donations from time to time <Chloric> oh ok, has Qimo been translated to many languages? <mhall119> it hasn't been much though <mhall119> Qimo picks up whatever translations Ubuntu has <Chloric> oh ok, so thats not an issue then <Chloric> I was considering using Qimo in my NGO initiative with your permission <mhall119> nope, we know that people have been using it, translated, all over the world <mhall119> you don't need permission, but we're happy to have it used anywhere <Chloric> oh ok, because its for a massive undertaking, and we're bringing your software to China for a massive workshop hosted by the Chinese government. Still give permission? xD <mhall119> yup <mhall119> I want kids in China to benefit as much as kids in the USA <mhall119> oddly, there is (or used to be) a city in China named "Qimo". <Chloric> oh ok, i wasnt sure it you wanted your name out there for government minders to see <mhall119> we get quite a bit of traffic to our website from China <mhall119> I don't plan on traveling to China any time soon, so I'm not concerned ;) <Chloric> oh ok, awesonme <Chloric> awesome** <Chloric> Is there any video demos of your OS? <mhall119> none that I've made, but there are some video reviews on YouTube <Chloric> hmmm ok, its for this workshop i'm hosting in Beijing <mhall119> you're hosting? cool <Chloric> yeah, my team and I <DammitJim> hey Chloric ! <Chloric> helloooooo =D <DammitJim> hey, tell me very simply... why do I want to make separate partitions manually? <Chloric> well... the beauty or hassle? <Chloric> xD <Chloric> of* <Chloric> the beauty of hassle <DammitJim> lol <Chloric> i manually partition so that if something goes wrong, at least i know where it went wrong <DammitJim> why does everyone say something goes wrong <Chloric> cuz... im humam, so im bound to screw up <Chloric> also, because im a social science student and my major is International Relations... not computers of any sort <mhall119> DammitJim: I like being able to do a clean install on a system partition, without it deleting all my personal files <DammitJim> can one create partitions if using LVM? <maxolase1squad> Anyone know how many CDs we are likely to get? I'd like to get my hands on a few. They've always been popular items at our food coop. <mhall119> itnet7 can tell you how many we've gotten in the past <mhall119> though with shipit being discontinued, who knows if that'll change <maxolase1squad> I may break down and pay for a few. <maxolase1squad> brb <Sr_ubuntu> How i can create one theme mouse from zero? GNOME. <DammitJim> what are the recommended sizes for partitions nowadays? <maxolasersquad> DammitJim: There are no "recommended" partition sizes. It's whatever you need. <DammitJim> oh <mhall119> itnet7: ping #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-04-07 <maxolasersquad> Any drupal experts kicking around? <munz> where do trayed apps go in unity...like xchat <jck77> good morning <bleeber> Good mornin #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-04-08 <binox> hi all im in ubuntu but searching help on irc about modifying windows system files fro ubuntu hopefully from someone familiar with a windows shell called litestep <binox> i meant im in pa, not ubuntu <munz_> lol <munz_> anyone around? <bleeber> whats up? <bleeber> im new here but I am around <munz_> lol <munz_> u usin 11.04 yet? <bleeber> nah, 10.10 here for now <munz_> cool, i like to have xchat go to my tray <munz_> but in 11.04 w/unity <munz_> trayed apps disappear <munz_> :( <bleeber> yeah, I havent even tested unity yet <munz_> hope a fix/workaround comes out soon <bleeber> shame on me <munz_> lol <bleeber> Im just not buying the hype yet <bleeber> maybe once I get it on a box <munz_> i'm trying to be open minded <munz_> but.... <bleeber> tried to put it on my eee but it failed (bad burn) <bleeber> so meh <munz_> so far like the classic gnome <munz_> lol <munz_> i hve it on an asus 1005hab <munz_> it would be really cool w/a touch screen tablet <munz_> yay! figured it out! <munz_werk__> morning! friday :D <mhall119> morning <munz_werk__> hey mhall119, do you like unity? <mhall119> It's nice, I can probably adjust <mhall119> either that or I'll switch to Xfce <munz_werk__> yea, i'm trying to give it a good try <mhall119> or maybe it's time I get snobbish and switch to FluxBox <munz_werk__> lol <mhall119> there's been an amazing about of work done to Unity in 6 months <mhall119> I'm sure it'll be even more polished by 11.10 <mhall119> but there's still some parts that don't feel natural to me <mhall119> the dash, specifically, doesn't feel useful at all <munz_werk__> yea i feel the same <munz_werk__> i did not like that xchat would disappear in the tray but i fixed it by white listing it <mhall119> nobody's made an xchat message indicator yet? <munz_werk__> guess not <munz_werk__> after the white listing it shows up right <mhall119> try apt-get install xchat-indicator <munz_werk__> drop box too <munz_werk__> ohh ok <mhall119> yeah, Unity is trying to do away with systray, and move everything to indicators <mhall119> xchat-indicator should put an xchat entry into the messaging icon's menu <munz_werk__> do you know why? logically. <munz_werk__> ill try the xchat-indicator tonight when i get back home to my 11.04 <maxolasersquad> I've been forcing myself to use Unity, but I feel relieved when I come into work and have Gnome 2 available for me again. <munz_werk__> that sums up how i feel <munz_werk__> i'm only running it on my asus netbook now <maxolasersquad> I really like to see the Software Center continue to improve. I'd like to see them put all the functionality of Synaptic and update-manager in there and then remove them. <munz_werk__> maxolasersquad, i agree <mhall119> munz_werk__: from what I hear, the systray was always an ugly hack <munz_werk__> ok <maxolasersquad> I've discovered that I am starting to be annoyed evertime something decides to put itself in the systray. <maxolasersquad> Dropbox and easystroke are the two that I have demanding a presence in the systray. <munz_werk__> yea, normally dont like a bunch of stuff in the tray but i do like to hit the x on xchat and have it go to the tray <munz_werk__> that was my only issue w/it <tiemonster> Has anyone tried the BETA yet? <tiemonster> I can't get it to boot <munz_werk__> yea, i did not have any issues booting <munz_werk__> whats it doin? <tiemonster> I'm trying to run it in VBox <tiemonster> hangs after the ubuntu with dots screen <munz_werk__> ohh ok, i installed on physical asus eee <munz_werk__> enough mem & processor allocated and such? <munz_werk__> latest vr of vbox? <tiemonster> I imagine. half gig of ram? <tiemonster> should be <Awake_Atlast> the beta of? <munz_werk__> hmmmm... <tiemonster> Natty <munz_werk__> tiemonster, check this out http://askubuntu.com/questions/33470/compiling-vboxdrv-virtualbox-4-on-natty-beta-1 <munz_werk__> you may need to update <munz_werk__> wait i read that wrong nm <tiemonster> ah yeah - I did install guest extensions. forgot about that. <tiemonster> I'll just wait for the release <munz_werk__> cool <tiemonster> I just wanted to play with Unity <munz_werk__> yea, i'v been trying to like it <munz_werk__> not sure yet, but atleast i can use "ubuntu classic" if i endup disliking it <tiemonster> for day-to-day operations, I have a hard policy of only running LTS releases <munz_werk__> good policy <munz_werk__> im 10.04 @ work, home server, and main laptop, my eee is 10.10 and 11.04 <munz_werk__> dont think i had any complaints about 10.10, but 11.04 and unity.... not sure <mhall119> munz_werk__: use it consistently for a week before you make any final judgement <mhall119> also, they just landed a bunch of fixes and features last night <munz_werk__> mhall119, thats my goal, i dont want to be that guy that hates it b/c its different so i plan on using it at the least till after the RC <munz_werk__> i also keep updating daily <munz_werk__> to stay fresh :) <mhall119> munz_werk__: there won't be an RC this cycle <mhall119> beta is out, the next milestone is the final release <munz_werk__> ok <munz_werk__> then i will run at least till after final release :) <crashsystems> I'm loving 11.04 <tiemonster> I keep looking for the maximize button on the left-hand side in Windows ;-) <mhall119> tiemonster: it's still there <mhall119> oh, in MS Windows <crashsystems> lol <mhall119> yeah, I did that too <tiemonster> yeah - I run Win 7 and Ubuntu 10.04 side-by-side <crashsystems> Funny how everyone is used to it now, and not to long ago it was all "shuttleworth eats babies because of buttons on the left" and all. <mhall119> lol <munz_werk__> lol <mhall119> I've actually found that I use keyboard shortcuts now <crashsystems> the unity shortcuts? <mhall119> regular metacity/compiz shortcuts <mhall119> which still work in Unity <crashsystems> I'm really liking meta+[number]. It has mostly replaced alt-tab for me. <mhall119> the one thing I don't like is super+T <crashsystems> what does that do? <mhall119> opens the trash <mhall119> but I've had it set to open terminal for a couple of years now <crashsystems> I've got one of those drop-down terminals, and have it set to the menu key <maxolasersquad> The super button is broken in Unity because it can only be used for the sidebar. <maxolasersquad> I am so used to using super+spacebar to open gnome-do. <maxolasersquad> And always so sad when nothing happens. <munz_werk__> COOOOOL super key shortcuts are cool :) <munz_werk__> is there a guide or some such? <maxolasersquad> munz_werk__: In Natty or before? <munz_werk__> natty <munz_werk__> never really used those shortcuts before <crashsystems> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/list-of-ubuntu-unity-keyboard-shortcuts.html <maxolasersquad> With Unity just hit Super and then the number of the application on the left. <maxolasersquad> I think that's all there is to it. <crashsystems> there is more <maxolasersquad> Alt-F2 has much of the gnome-do functionality. I'd like to see it have all of the functionality. <crashsystems> I've uninstalled gnome-do since upgrading. <maxolasersquad> Cool, thanks crashsystems. <munz_werk__> cool crashsystems that was what i was looking for <maxolasersquad> tiemonster: I have the same policy. My work machine, primary home machine, and home pc at home are on 10.04. My laptop is on 11.04. My daughter's machine is on 10.10. <tiemonster> I found a machine the other day running 8.04. Old trusty. <tiemonster> server, though. big difference. <crashsystems> I was in Microcenter (local large electronics store) last week and saw one of their employee workstations running Ubuntu 10.04 desktop. <munz_werk__> where are you crashsystems? <crashsystems> santa clara, california <munz_werk__> cool <munz_werk__> i love cali <munz_werk__> hows the job market in santa clara <crashsystems> I'm prefering it to North florida, thats for sure <crashsystems> not sure. I've not really looked <munz_werk__> what do you do web dev? <crashsystems> web application security <crashsystems> aka I find the mistakes that web devs make <munz_werk__> lol <munz_werk__> how long you been out there? <crashsystems> I started mid november <munz_werk__> you like it? <crashsystems> yep <munz_werk__> cool <munz_werk__> i want to move out there <crashsystems> there are a number of people from the florida team who have moved out here <munz_werk__> i noticed a few <munz_werk__> did you find the job then move? <crashsystems> well, 'find' is not quite the word I would choose, but yes. <crashsystems> I had been looking for a job, and a friend who recently had gotten a job here told me about it and gave the department manager my resume. <munz_werk__> cool <munz_werk__> i want to make it out there but im not web dev or app sec <munz_werk__> general it net admin <munz_werk__> deal w/ms crap virusses <munz_werk__> everything not web <munz_werk__> sometimes light html #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-04-10 <Disturbed1> hello <Disturbed1> is anyone here? <bleeber> What's up? <Disturbed1> hiya bleeber <Disturbed1> .......... <bleeber> Sorry <bleeber> had to make the bed for the wife <munz_> mhall119, #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-04-11 <mhall119> munz: <munz_> hey mhall119 , i read in 11.10 no more "classic mode" <munz_> is this for sure? <munz_> i know you still could install gnome but just was a little shocked <munz_> how do you feel? <mhall119> munz: by 11.10, Ubuntu will likely be using Gnome 3, which I believe will also be dropping "classic mode" <munz_> oh, ok..guess i should look at gnome3 <munz_> thx :) <mhall119> Gnome 3 has Gnome SHell <mhall119> if you want the "classic' 2 panel desktop, you might look into Xfce <munz_> cool, thx <munz_> my biggest thing is the ability to configure the layout, i like to have all my panels autohide and use cairo dock etc <munz_> im giving unity a fair shot now <munz_> just curious as to where everything is going <crashsystems> munz_: check out http://www.ubuntugeek.com/list-of-ubuntu-unity-keyboard-shortcuts.html <crashsystems> also, a fully transparent top panel with a dark background is great. <munz_> cool, been using the shortcuts, has actually helped me to like it <munz_> the transparent top panel sounds cool <crashsystems> this is what my desktop currently looks like: http://i.imgur.com/o3DRo.jpg <munz_> that looks nice : <munz_> :) <crashsystems> I'll probably replace the background with some of my own photography once I get my new camera. * crashsystems eagerly awaits his tax return <munz_> :) <munz_> where is the panel config? <crashsystems> look up the unity compiz plugin in ccsm <crashsystems> or if you have ccsm installed, hit alt-f2 then type about:config <munz_> ok <mhall119> oh sweet, unity alt-f2 has an about:config? <munz_> yes :) <mhall119> nice <munz_werk__> yea, i like to change stuff <zoopster> munz_werk, itnet7 we're ramping up for a balloon launch the afternoon of 29 April for the launch...we'll have more info later next week. <DammitJim> man lirc and xbmc was kicking my butt over the weekend! <mhall119> 11:47 < dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek starting in 15 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom <munz_werk> zoopster, cool, looking foward to it :) <dorgan> so is gnome 3 in ubuntu 11.04? <dorgan> I've had my head in the sand(work) since the new year now and havent been following it <mhall119> dorgan: it'll be in a PPA for 11.04 <dorgan> oh did they decide not to add williamsmith@example.net of unity? <crashsystems> it was released a few days ago. thats a bit too late for it to make it into a release that is coming out in less than two weeks. <dorgan> ahh ok... <dorgan> time to go home #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-04-12 <dorgan> has anyone else been following dell's offering, or lack there of, on Ubuntu Laptop/desktops? <dorgan> for the longest time all you could buy was a desktop...now its only two laptops....one with 10" screen and the other with a 13" screen <dorgan> what gives <maxolasersquad> dorgan: Yeah, it's been pretty week for a while now. <maxolasersquad> Probably low sales. <dorgan> and the 13" only allows a max of 1GB of ram <dorgan> still....its not like they have to use specialized hardware...well for the most part <maxolasersquad> They do spend some resources ensuring the hardware options they make it available on works. <maxolasersquad> I'd recommend getting a System76 over a Dell if one wants Linux supported hardware. <dorgan> yeah but it cant be that much resources as they only offer 9.10 installed <maxolasersquad> Well, that shows how much work they are willing to put into it. <maxolasersquad> Which is probably proportional to the sales that the option is generating. <maxolasersquad> Dell is in a good position to be THE preferrable computer maker for Linux enthusiasts, but doesn't seem too interested in making it happen. <maxolasersquad> I have a Dell that came with preinstall Linux, and the experience hasn't been as good as I was hoping. <maxolasersquad> Sound support broke two years ago. <maxolasersquad> Compositing didn't work for a release either. <mhall119> maxolasersquad: I tried to restore Vista on a Dell, using the restore disk that came with it, and none of video, sound, wired or wireless worked <mhall119> so....at least they consistently suck at it <tiemonster> true linux users build their own computers... <tiemonster> ...from melted sand <munz-eee> anyone used gnome 3 yet? <munz-eee> mhall119, <munz-eee> you around? <mhall119> munz-eee: yup <munz-eee> hey have you tried gnome3? <munz-eee> do you like? <munz-eee> i tried it last night... don't think i like it lol <munz-eee> liking unity alot more as time passes <munz-eee> do you know how to configure the gnome3 look? <mhall119> munz-eee: haven't tried gnome 3 yet, no <mhall119> I hear the refactoring work they did is a huge improvement though <mhall119> but as a user, it's hard to separate the under-the-hood improvements from the switch to Gnome Shell <munz-eee> i heard about the improvements also <munz-eee> the stile is cool <munz-eee> *style <munz-eee> have yet to figure out how to customize it though <crashsystems> gnome 3 also requires composting. <munz-eee> here is where i sound stupid: <munz-eee> what is composting? <mhall119> so non-compositing X11 would tell each window what parts they need to draw on the screen <crashsystems> basically it is how things like compiz draw fancy graphical stuff on the screen <munz-eee> ok, that was easy :) <munz-eee> soo it needs 3d? <munz-eee> or decent graphics? <mhall119> with compositing, X11 tells each window to draw itself into a buffer, then the compositing manager takes all the windows and "composites" them into a single image to draw to the screen <crashsystems> basically <crashsystems> if your graphics card was made in the last five years, it should run unity just fine. probably similar limits for gnome 3. <mhall119> compositing is a standard part of 3d graphics processing, whenever you have a 3d game or something, it has objects that get "composited" into a single image for you to see <munz-eee> ohhhh, ok mhall119, that makes sense <mhall119> so 3d graphics cards specifically well suited for this task <munz-eee> ok <mhall119> but 3d graphics cards aren't strictly necessary <munz-eee> ok <mhall119> Xfce and KDE will do compositing entirely in the CPU <mhall119> I think Gnome 3 will too <mhall119> but it's slower, because the CPU isn't designed for that kind of math, while the GPU is <crashsystems> IIRC gnome 3 has some sort of "fallback" mode <mhall119> gnome 3 uses mutter, which I think can do compositing in the CPU <munz-eee> ok, i now understand more <munz-eee> thanks <munz-eee> crashsystems, have you tried gnome3 yet? <munz-eee> i read it breaks unity, so i put it on my 10.10 to try it <munz-eee> wanna customize the UI look but have not found any config applet yet <munz-eee> it does run fast <mhall119> Unity is built on Gnome 2, so replacing that with Gnome 3 is likely to break it, yeah <munz-eee> mhall119, i did sudo apt-get install gnome-shell <munz-eee> then just ran "gnome-shell --replace" from gnome 2 <munz-eee> and it killed the gnome 3 <munz-eee> and started the gnome3 <munz-eee> if i log out and back in gnome 2 works again <munz-eee> but no option at the login screen for gnome3 or gnome-shell <munz-eee> weird <mhall119> that's because you just installed the shell <mhall119> not a session <munz-eee> ohhhh <munz-eee> lol <mhall119> that's like just installing xfce-panel <munz-eee> lol, i thought it would install them side-by-side <munz-eee> and allow me to choose between <mhall119> you'd probably have to install gnome3-session or something to that effect to have the option at login <munz-eee> ok <munz-eee> mhall119, you program right? <mhall119> yup <munz-eee> where is a good place to start learning? <munz-eee> java, python, etc? <mhall119> python now, java, PHP and perl in the past <munz-eee> ok <mhall119> I got a few O'Reilly books when I started off <mhall119> plus online documentation and tutorials <mhall119> once you learn how to program, picking up a new language just requires syntax references <munz-eee> ok <munz-eee> i have been wanting to learn <mhall119> python is an easy one to start with <munz-eee> just not sure where to start, was thinking python b/c ubuntu likes it <munz-eee> and cross platform <mhall119> and there's plenty of online docs and tutorials, you probably won't even need a book unless you just want one <crashsystems> I've not tried gnome3 yet. <munz-eee> ok, how long have you been programming? <mhall119> 12 years <munz-eee> wow, you like? <mhall119> since I was in High School <mhall119> yeah, I love it <mhall119> it's not for everyone, you really have to have a mind for it <mhall119> and it turns out my mind is just right for it <munz-eee> cool #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-04-13 <mhall119> munz_werk: http://www.vuntz.net/journal/post/2011/04/13/gnome-panel-is-dead%2C-long-live-gnome-panel%21 <maxolasersquad> Anyone planning a happy 20th for Linux party this year? #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-04-14 <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: ping <tiemonster> mhall119: are you around? <mhall119> nope <mhall119> tiemonster: I was only joking, I'm here <tiemonster> mhall119: hmm. I didn't get nick highlighting. <tiemonster> Have you ever played with grails? <mhall119> that's the groovy framework isn't it? <tiemonster> mhall119: yes <tiemonster> having trouble setting it up on Ubuntu <tiemonster> I'm trying on Windows 7 now <mhall119> tiemonster: never used it no <mhall119> I haven't even used groovy, even though I've been meaning to check it out <tiemonster> mhall119: I've wasted the better part of a day trying to even get it installed <tiemonster> well, have a good night <mhall119> you too <jtatum> who's coming up for google io? #ubuntu-us-fl 2011-04-15 <jamalta> jtatum: dantalizing and zbrown are i think <jamalta> not sure about anyone else <jtatum> slick <jamalta> jtatum: would tuesday work for you? <jtatum> sure, works fine <dantalizing> jtatum youre in sf? <jtatum> nah, south bay <dantalizing> close enough <dantalizing> ? <jtatum> the polk city to san francisco's orlando ;) <dantalizing> i dont know where polk city is <jtatum> haha, nobody does <jtatum> i'm about 40 miles out. <dantalizing> clowe enough <dantalizing> close even <jtatum> sure! i like visiting the city anyway <jtatum> i mean aside from getting robbed for parking :) <dantalizing> crap that remnds me. still need to book a hotel <jamalta> jtatum: oh parking is so awful :( we actually shipped our car back to the parents-in-law in FL <jamalta> dantalizing: where are you planning on staying? i was going to ask whether tuesday evening would work for you <jtatum> my brother's girlfriend has hers parked in my driveway. dunno what the long term plan is <jamalta> dantalizing: not sure what your travel plans are, or zbrown's for that matter, but i'm up for any evening <jamalta> jtatum: wow, that makes it hard to use lol <dorgan> where is "connect to server" in unity? <dantalizing> jamalta: not sure where. someplace close <dantalizing> jamalta: we are all on tripit, no? <dantalizing> i arrive on 7th <dantalizing> leave on 12th <dantalizing> i'm also good any night...so far.... need to meet another friend who is attending finnovate as well <dantalizing> dorgan: good question <dorgan> :) I am installing gnome3 <dorgan> not worth it....not feeling the unity interface <dorgan> if it aint broke dont fix it <dorgan> i think this is canonicals windows vista <dorgan> sorry if that offends anyone <dorgan> :D <dantalizing> unity prob works well as a consistent env mobile -> desktop, g3 is a much better dektop imo <dorgan> yeah <dorgan> maybe on a tablet <dorgan> personally even on a netbook it would annoy me <dantalizing> i'm not sure why (havent investigated) but gnome3 is different on my maverick and natty installs <dantalizing> maybe just a setting...dunno <dantalizing> but one has a dock and the other has a menu <dantalizing> or maybe diff ppa.. <jamalta> dantalizing: i am, and i know you are.. don't think i have zbrown on tripit <dantalizing> hes there not sure if he uses it <dantalizing> crashsystems wont use it until they get end to end encryption <crashsystems> ? <dantalizing> tripit <crashsystems> what is tripit? <dantalizing> a travel organizer <dantalizing> basically <crashsystems> I don't think I'd need a travel organizer <dantalizing> they parse your confirmation emails and build your itinerary <crashsystems> don't confirmation emails include itineraries? <dantalizing> yup <crashsystems> o_O <dantalizing> for instance send a flight and hotel and car rental and they'll show you a single serialized view <crashsystems> hmm, interesting <dantalizing> i'm probably understating <dorgan> brb have to reboot <dantalizing> i like it <dantalizing> plus they track your contacts to see if they are nearby <dantalizing> i wouldnt have known my friend was gonna be at finnovate unless tripit told me <crashsystems> how did tripit know where they would be? <dantalizing> she forwarded her flight info <dantalizing> she lives in tx <dantalizing> but flying to sf on 9th <dorgan> hmmm <dantalizing> afk <dorgan> gnome3 is just as bad as unity <dorgan> :( <dorgan> lol <dorgan> no desktop and no connect to server <dorgan> anyone around? <crashsystems> I've not had an opportunity to try gnome3 yet, but I'm loving unity <mhall119> I think "crashsystems wont use it until they get end to end encryption" may be a true statement regardless of the context <dorgan> yeah so i uninstalled gnome3 and now am using ubuntu classic :) <dorgan> not liking either of them <dorgan> AT ALL <mhall119> dorgan: Xfce <dorgan> yeah never liked that either <mhall119> when was the last time you tried it? It's come a long way in the last few years <dorgan> i'll try installing it this weekend....does it have connect to server? <dorgan> thats my biggest gripe...that and desktop icons <dorgan> :) <dorgan> ok gotta run...have a nice night everyone <Chat1595> hello <jtatum> Greetings, Chat1595 <jtatum> first time on IRC? <Chat1595> heLlo <jtatum> yes, hello <jtatum> you found the chat room for the ubuntu linux florida team :) <jtatum> well, that was.. <rrob> hi all <rrob> pls, after battery shutdown my notebook with ubu 10.10 didnt boot, told me that have problem with disk, i boot from liveusb and try e2fsck -fyv /dev/sda1 but he told me that device is busy. i restart from liveusb again with same result, when i did lsof | grep sda1 shows me 4 lines with sda1 pid 374 user root pds: cwd rtd txt NOFD <Jake2|cfl> itnet7: or anybody: I dl'ed AVG Rescue and burned it. Startup brings a boot: prompt. No menu. How start? <ropetin> Hola one and all, long time no see and all that <mhall119> hey ropetin, it has been a while <ropetin> Sure has, works been keeping me busy <ropetin> as you can see by my 50 minute response time <ropetin> How is everything in here, still fighting the good fight? <mhall119> ropetin: yup, a little slower than it used to be though <ropetin> That's cool, thats the ebb and flow of life though <DammitJim> when is the new version of ubuntu coming out? <ropetin> Did a regular thing ever get set up for SoFla? <munz_werk> 4-28 <mhall119> DammitJim: April 28th I think <mhall119> what munz_werk said <munz_werk> :) <munz_werk> i can be helpful...sometimes <DammitJim> oh cool <ropetin> You mean Natty? I thought that was out already, no? * ropetin is so out of the loop <munz_werk> beat 2 just came out <munz_werk> *beta <ropetin> So will there be release parties planned? <munz_werk> think on the 30th <munz_werk> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-us-florida <ropetin> Are there any regulars from Miami/Fort Lauderdale these days, or still just me? <munz_werk> no to my knowledge, inet in the space coast... not sure if any is further down <mhall119> reya, govatent, Chloric (I think) <mhall119> are
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