#ubuntu-us-ca 2011-09-01 <nhaines> I'll get around to updating mine eventually. <grantbow-droid> Welcome orangezz to the channel :-) <orangezz> HEY Grant <grantbow-droid> Hey suzie <philipballew> why hello! <orangezz> Hey <grantbow-droid> andchat is useful <pleia2> anyone feel like testing lernid? :) <pleia2> we're doing a testing session over in #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat, just need to install the devel version (we can tell you how) <nhaines> pleia2: how long will it take? <pleia2> nhaines: as long as you can stick around for <pleia2> just test what you can, if you need to leave it's fine <nhaines> Not sure I can tonight.... but I thought since oneiric's becoming a little creaky, why not think about it? :) <pleia2> :) <nhaines> Tomorrow, with beta 1 being released, I'll probably do a reinstall. <pleia2> oh geez, beta is tomorrow, this week is officially too busy <sn9> On 2011-09-08, 7 days from now, your membership <sn9> in the Ubuntu California (ubuntu-california) Launchpad team <sn9> is due to expire. <sn9> <https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-california> <sn9> If you want, you can renew this membership at <sn9> <https://launchpad.net/~daniel-gimpelevich/+expiringmembership/ubuntu-california> <sn9> If your membership does expire, we'll send you one more message to let <sn9> you know it's happened. <sn9> Thanks for using Launchpad! <nhaines> sn9: been another year, eh? <sn9> apparently so <sn9> "Membership renewed until 2012-09-07." <aaditya> Is it a coincidence that our memberships are expiring at the same time? <aaditya> Membership renewed until 2012-09-07. <philipballew> this channel is much more dead at this hour * philipballew is usually more free this time <bkerensa> :P * bkerensa knows why he avoids state lug channels sometimes :P <bkerensa> they seem to hate Ubuntu :) <bkerensa> wow <bkerensa> I submitted a conf kit request yesterday and I'm pretty sure they just shipped it this morning because I got a e-mail from UPS saying Merchandise Mania shipped something... When I got my Ubuntu shirt from the UK it was from a similar name <nhaines> bkerensa: maybe you don't remember ordering one of their stylish new hats! * nhaines waits impatiently for the oneiric Beta 1 announcement. <bkerensa> nhaines: ? * bkerensa is confused <nhaines> bkerensa: beta 1 is the first milestone where a development image is produced for more widespread testing. <bkerensa> LOL <bkerensa> nhaines: I know what beta 1 is :P but what is this about a hat? <nhaines> :) <nhaines> bkerensa: you got a shipment confirmation from Merchandise Mania. <nhaines> Why wouldn't someone want one of these beauties? http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=878 <bkerensa> nhaines: Yes but I did not order any hat..... or anything <bkerensa> =o <bkerensa> they are nice... I have said so in the paste but idk its to early for this :P <nhaines> I wish they're release oneiric shirts already so I could just put in my order now. :P <nhaines> s/they're/they'd/ <bkerensa> I wish they sold stuff in USD so I dont have to convert :) <nhaines> bkerensa: they do. :) <bkerensa> nhaines: There is no way this is a hat :P it weighs 2.0KGS according to UPS so thats what four pounds? <nhaines> bkerensa: you never know! Everything's pounds over there... <pleia2> bkerensa: the "currency to view" dropbox is at the bottom of the page in the shop <pleia2> (it used to be more obvious) <bkerensa> oh =o thanks so much.... A week ago I was looking at stuff and didnt wanna calculate prices and then shipping to USD <bkerensa> :D * bkerensa wishes they made bigger shirts =( <bkerensa> Only 3X they offer is the hoodie.... My natty shirt is a bit snug :P I had to do a bit of scretching <bkerensa> pleia2: Have you checked out Glitch yet? <pleia2> bkerensa: haven't even heard of it <nhaines> pleia2: have you checked out Mutter? <pleia2> you guys are just telling me random words <nhaines> haha <pleia2> :) no <nhaines> pleia2: it's on my list. :) <bkerensa> glitch.com <--- SF Bay Area developed indy game pretty cool <pleia2> bkerensa: ah, not much of an on-computer gamer these days <bkerensa> =o oh <bkerensa> DnD type? :) <pleia2> consoles <bkerensa> nice! * bkerensa got a 360 last year and I kind got burnt out I play like 3 hours a day of call of duty blackops =o <bkerensa> plus they keep releasing more maps which = more money gone :P <pleia2> I did go to D&D Experience back in 2008 but that was sorta my last hurrah as far as tabletop games go (and it was after I hadn't played in like 6 years) <nhaines> pleia2: I very successfully DMed a game this year (my first time! :D) with some friends and some kids. <nhaines> What's funny is it was the 9yo who was always doing wacky things and saving the day. Not quite locked into the computer game "I can only interact with a couple things" box. <nhaines> I should probably start that up again because I spent $150 in books and tiles. :P * nhaines is eating bluefin sashimi right now. <bkerensa> :( <bkerensa> sushi <nhaines> My boss caught them yesterday! <pleia2> nhaines: heh, so easy to spend $150 on those books <akk> very fresh! <nhaines> pleia2: I wanted to support my local comic book stores but Amazon was so much cheaper that I basically spent what I would've on the core rulebook set and had enough over for three dungeon tile sets and a couple sets of dice. :P <nhaines> (I did source the dice locally though.) <MarkDude> Dice are awesome <akk> Sometimes it's hard to support local stores. We were pretty surprised when a new *lawnmower* was way cheaper on amazon than locally (and free shipping!) <MarkDude> I mean I want a whole case of them <MarkDude> A few people bring theirs to Super Nerd Night <kdub_> i now understand why microsoft's products are the way they are... #msvisualstudio <nhaines> kdub_: why's that? <DarkwingDuck> nhaines, SCaLE is in Jan 2012... Did you want to do another Ubucon? <nhaines> DarkwingDuck: yes, I've been telling Gareth that since April. :) <DarkwingDuck> nhaines, I'll make sure you get in... I volunteered to help this year. <DarkwingDuck> With SCaLE that is. <DarkwingDuck> This is my first bit, working on more graphics now. http://people.ubuntu.com/~david.wonderly/SCaLE10/scale_10x_banner_penguin.png <nhaines> DarkwingDuck: Gareth and Ilan pretty much assured me a place in SCaLE10X. They've been nothing but extraordinary from the time Amber Graner approached us and even throughout last Ubucon on short notice. :) <pleia2> nhaines: I met Ilan! <DarkwingDuck> Yup, Been talking to and working with Ilan online <nhaines> pleia2: Ilan is pretty awesome. :) <pleia2> he was at the linux picnic, we went all sysadmin geekout <pleia2> I didn't realize who he was until later :) <nhaines> Haha. :) <pleia2> (this is normal for me, I never know who I'm talking to) <nhaines> (me either, but what's worse is when they all seem to know you!) <pleia2> haha, yeah <nhaines> I'm actually recognized a lot, which baffles me a little but I guess it's a good thing. :) <pleia2> he asked if I was going to speak at ubucon again <pleia2> wait, you know who I am? neato! <nhaines> haha! :) They know everyone and I have no idea how. <nhaines> I just preordered Artificial Heart from Jonathan Coulton. And I mean I ordered the $100 superfan package. <nhaines> I also got an email with a digital download link with a HUGE album cover image, and then links for the album in 1) lossless AAC, FLAC, 329k MP3, VBR MP3, and Ogg Vorbis. <nhaines> Oh and a link to md5sums! :D <pleia2> sweet <nhaines> I already have all of his music and mostly for free, so superfan pack seemed the right thing to do. <nhaines> Also now he's going to send me a USB flash drive with all his music. * nhaines continues waiting patiently for Beta 1. * pleia2 has xubuntu release announcement at the ready <pleia2> now? now? how about now? * pleia2 waits <bkerensa> now <MarkDude> Coulton +1 <bkerensa> Hmmm 99 cent store is selling Philips 22" flat screen for 99cents in Cali <bkerensa> damn <aaditya> Really? <DarkwingDuck> What? <DarkwingDuck> Yup. http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/408615 <aaditya> Damn. <aaditya> wow. <kdub_> DarkwingDuck: /me is trying to think of a scale talk topic <nhaines> kdub_: SCaLE talk topic for you: global asynchronous kernel locks-friend or foe? <nhaines> Oneiric Ocelot Beta 1 was just released! \o/ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview/Beta1 <nhaines> Server images seem to be missing this time around though... <akk> Hmm, the release notes mention xubuntu having the onboard keyboard in the menus now, but there's no mention of it for regular ubuntu. <akk> No joy for tablet users yet? <DarkwingDuck> I've used kubuntu on a tablet and it has an on-screen keyboard. I'm saving money for an EXOPC tablet <akk> I have a meego exopc, and you can't use it with a natty livecd without a keyboard attached. Didn't think to try kubuntu -- didn't know it was good for tablets! <DarkwingDuck> The Plasma netbook worked well on the 3 hybred tablets I've used. <DarkwingDuck> I need to get an exopc <akk> cool, I'll have to try plasma netbook some time. <nhaines> akk: It seems to have received a big shrug again this cycle. <nhaines> Although there was a bug or two they squashed. <akk> darn <nhaines> akk: yeah, disappointing. #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-09-02 <MarkDude> akk: you free on the 24th for a geeknic in Los Gatos? <akk> Yes! <akk> And we could call it Geequinox (okay, the equinox is actually the 23rd, but close enough) <akk> :) <MarkDude> Oh that would be awesome <MarkDude> good idea <MarkDude> Cool I should event details up by early next week <MarkDude> the 17th wasa going to be tooo close <MarkDude> I am going to be in bay for 3 days next week <akk> whew! I'm away on the 17th, but the 23rd would be awesome <MarkDude> then ohio <akk> when's ohio? <MarkDude> then back on the 12th <MarkDude> Seot 11th weekend <MarkDude> sept <MarkDude> lovely time to travel <MarkDude> Dont touch my junk <MarkDude> lol <akk> heh <pleia2> rww: my con(gratulations|dolences) for your recent #defocus privileges ;) <DarkwingDuck> Yay! I'm learning Inkscape hardcore. http://people.ubuntu.com/~david.wonderly/SCaLE10/ <rww> pleia2: lol, thanks <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: interested in doing the Kubuntu part of a UserDays tutorial on the 24th? <DarkwingDuck> pleia2, Sure. <pleia2> (but doing it for real this time so I don't need to find a maco at last second :P) <pleia2> I need to find a Lubuntu person too <DarkwingDuck> pleia2, I'll mark it in my calendar. :P:P <pleia2> I figure we each get 20 minutes, I'll do xubuntu <DarkwingDuck> Just an overview of what Kubuntu has to offer? <pleia2> yep, lemme dig up the logs of what maco and I have done in the past <DarkwingDuck> Okay cool, thank you. <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays/01292011/Desktop%20Environments%3A%20Gnome%2C%20KDE%2C%20XFCE <pleia2> instead it'll be KDE, XFCE, LXDE <pleia2> Unity can have its own whole session <DarkwingDuck> We each get 20 or, we get 20 for the DEs? <pleia2> I dunno, I forgot I did that whole intro thing about what DEs are <pleia2> probably we explain what DEs are and each get 10 minutes to say how our favorite one is awesome, then answer questions <pleia2> so less kubuntu, more KDE <DarkwingDuck> That's what I was thinking. <DarkwingDuck> Yes. <DarkwingDuck> And how they differ from Ubuntu/Unity/Gnome/Canonical Ra ra ra * DarkwingDuck ducks <pleia2> hehe <DarkwingDuck> Who is doing Gnome/Unity? <pleia2> I might ask jorge * DarkwingDuck grins <pleia2> or tell jorge to find someone, he's good at that <akk> blah, DEs, they're a passing fad, everyone will go back to window managers before long ;P <DarkwingDuck> hehehe <pleia2> but I think it needs its own session so all the flaming can stay in there session :) <akk> haha <DarkwingDuck> lol * pleia2 makes sure we have lots of classroom admins around during that session <pleia2> QUESTION: WHY DID YOU RUIN MY LIFE WITH UNITY?!!??!!!11111 <pleia2> x100 <DarkwingDuck> But, it should be mentioned in the DE session a bit.. <pleia2> hehe <pleia2> we can start out by saying "We'll talk about alternate DEs from the default Unity in Ubuntu" <pleia2> that's all :) <DarkwingDuck> Just a "Unity/Gnome will have their own session, this is for the variations". <pleia2> yeah <DarkwingDuck> LOL <DarkwingDuck> You took the words out of my mouth. <DarkwingDuck> Although, I think it's a good idea. <DarkwingDuck> Lubuntu is official now isn't it? <pleia2> yep! :) <pleia2> pretty exciting <DarkwingDuck> ohhh yeah. <DarkwingDuck> pleia2, what's the classroom backroom channel again? <pleia2> #ubuntu-classroom-backstage <bkerensa> pleia2: I found out it was a Conf Kit shipped this morning... That was quick right? I sent the request last night after 7pm =o <DarkwingDuck> philipballew, have you tried https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenVPN <philipballew> no I have not DarkwingDuck Im afraid ill ssh into it. do stuff and eff up the server where I cant connect at all maybe <DarkwingDuck> LOL <rww> thank the gods for LISH <DarkwingDuck> philipballew, After this weekend I'll play with VPNs on my server and give you access... The joys of a static IP address. <philipballew> ive been using no-ip .com lately <philipballew> 2 days till jam <DarkwingDuck> Aye, and I'm still struggling with my damn local mirror. <DarkwingDuck> Well, not fully. <DarkwingDuck> But, with the logistics of having it there. <philipballew> how so? <philipballew> It would probably be easy to set up a vpn. maybr only a few hours of work * bkerensa needs to find the cheapest colo on the west coast I wonder if its still Hurricane Electric <DarkwingDuck> pleia2, you still awake? <DarkwingDuck> philipballew, setting up the local mirror now... <DarkwingDuck> 74 gigs of info DLing. * kdub_ should be on irc at night more... <DarkwingDuck> pleia2, woot! We are getting a conf pack for Libertopia. <pleia2> :D <pleia2> and I'll ship the ubuntu banner and tablecloth down after the solano stroll <DarkwingDuck> Whoot! Thanks! <pleia2> we'll probably leave those down there for scale, we can get by with the old california banner for the rest of the year <DarkwingDuck> ok <MarkDude> Can I start making jokes about banners now? * MarkDude passes <MarkDude> :) <DarkwingDuck> MarkDude, you get my note from last night? <kdub> DarkwingDuck: i don't know anything about libertopia, but from the name, i'd guss its in ocean beach... <DarkwingDuck> Shelter Island. <DarkwingDuck> kdub, I'll fill ya in on saturday. <kdub> oh, i can't come on saturday :-/ <DarkwingDuck> Ahh, Okay. BRB <bkerensa> pleia2: I found out officemax does Vinyl banners starting at $99.95 so I might get one before our release party.... I got our posters printed for tomorrow and catering ordered now just gotta go tomorrow and run this jam :) <pleia2> cool :) <MarkDude> DarkwingDuck: no i did not <nhaines> Yay, I'm wrapping things up at work for the three-day weekend. And by "wrapping things up" I mean I'm shutting down my computers. <pleia2> poor computers <nhaines> They get a reboot every week. Ubuntu doesn't really need it (well, oneiric does) but Windows sure does! <pleia2> I wondered if that had gotten better with recent windows releases <pleia2> you'd think they'd eventually find the memory leaks that makes windows explode after a week <pleia2> but I guess when your customers are used to frequent reboots already it's not a high priority <pleia2> t-mobile now warns me to reboot my android phone every week, somehow in my mind I've taken this alert as some kind of challenge <nhaines> pleia2: sure, well, I don't have recent Windows releases, ha. <nhaines> Oh, I usually go two or three weeks before I forget to charge it or I want to restart it or something. <nhaines> Why does T-Mobile warn you to reboot every week? <pleia2> it's a t-mobile app, I don't know <nhaines> ha <pleia2> I suspect there are sometimes rogue apps that get stuck and reboots every week make sure customers have a better experience in the long run <pleia2> but yeah, I only reboot if netflix goes crazy and eats my phone (stupid netflix) or I go on a plane <nhaines> ha <nhaines> Yeah, I woke up today and didn't have a notification bar. <nhaines> So reboot was needed. <pleia2> the new market is a disaster for me <pleia2> realized this morning that I hadn't gotten any app upgrades in weeks <pleia2> my market only sees 2 apps installed, there are some "clear market cache, reboot, pray" tricks but none have worked so far <nhaines> pleia2: you'll have to reinstall those apps. But usually an upgrade doesn't trigger that. <nhaines> (that is, market upgrade usually doesn't break app associations.) <pleia2> nhaines: reinstalling them doesn't help, they still don't show up in my apps <rww> i guess the "feature" in "feature phone" is "it works" <jyo> rww: You still need any more books? <rww> jyo: I'm sorry, my memory is terrible. Books? <jyo> rww: Blog post! <jyo> rww: Textbooks, I mean. <rww> people read that o.O? <rww> one came in today apparently, another two still on backorder <rww> I think I'm going to cancel everything from that bookstore, including the one that came in, and get the ones I actually need from another store that aren't ridiculous * Ttech wobbles <Ttech> pleia2, I've been told to poke you about cds <pleia2> Ttech: yep, where are you located? <pleia2> (we ship them all over the state, so lots of people have bundles) <Ttech> SF and LA area, LA currently. :/ <Ttech> Do you guys ever meet? <pleia2> you might be able to get some from nhaines at his Lake Forest ubuntu hour that's held twice a week, next is sept 8th: http://nhaines.livejournal.com/62158.html <pleia2> the whole team doesn't usually get together, but a lot of us come down for SCaLE in LA every year <pleia2> I also shipped some to DarkwingDuck but he's San Diego and if he has any left he's probably giving them out at their global jam in SD tomorrow <Ttech> mmm <pleia2> will you be in SF soon? <Ttech> Not likely. <pleia2> I can ship one down to you if you need (but I pay for this out of pocket, so it's easier if you meet up with someone in your region) <Ttech> Ah yea, I'm so sad they stopped doing free cds <Ttech> Made it much harder for me to use Ubuntu. <pleia2> not able to download isos? <Ttech> pleia2, It takes me ~10 hours to download Ubuntu <pleia2> ah <Ttech> 4 hours if I'm lucky on some days. <pleia2> well I can ship an 11.04 disk if you need, just email me: davidhull@example.net <pleia2> (I'm leaving for a trip in 15 minutes though, so I won't be able to ship it until next week) <Ttech> Alright. <Ttech> I'll have a go at dist upgrade from 10.04 <pleia2> you'll want to go to 10.10 first <pleia2> but once you're done with both upgrades that's as much as downloading a whole iso :( <Ttech> yeah <Ttech> Might steal a friends internet though. :P <DarkwingDuck> I can ship if needed too :) <DarkwingDuck> I'm in San Diego. <bkerensa> Want some of this: http://imgur.com/SuiVM <bkerensa> :) <pleia2> bkerensa: all for your jam? <pleia2> huh, we still haven't gotten our ubuntu books <Ttech> bkerensa, You get all that stuff free? <bkerensa> LOL thats only what I wanted to pull out of my closet <bkerensa> I have 17 boxes of stuff <Ttech> Free? <bkerensa> yeah <bkerensa> ofc <DarkwingDuck> where you get all that swag? :) <Ttech> Is that just because your insane loco people? <DarkwingDuck> :D We are all insane. <bkerensa> Let me see..... O'Reilly, Linux New Media (Ubuntu User), LinuxJournal, ThinkGeek, OpenStack, Apress, No Starch and then since Canonical doesnt like to give stuff for non conferences Linbit bought us stickers from Canonical :P <DarkwingDuck> I should probably contact them for swag to hand out at Libertopia 2011. <bkerensa> Then I got catering sponsored by one company... I got a entire startups corporate office donated for our use.... Beverages and Beer donated :P <bkerensa> Yeah <bkerensa> do it <DarkwingDuck> You have contact info? davidhull@example.net <bkerensa> Our release party will probably be pretty lowkey though not a bunch of swag but I will be buying Oneiric cd's and likely have it catered <DarkwingDuck> Because AFAIK we will have the only FOSS davidhull@example.net. <bkerensa> DarkwingDuck: Yeah who's contact info you need? :) <DarkwingDuck> Any and all. :) <kdub> sweet, decent graphics card to replace my broken one on sale for $20 :D <DarkwingDuck> I'm getting into the groove of this event setup stuff. <bkerensa> I will shoot you a e-mail in a sec <DarkwingDuck> speaking of graphics... Any amount of telling my how much I suck would be nice on this... http://people.ubuntu.com/~david.wonderly/SCaLE10/ <kdub> DarkwingDuck: looks like the conference badge from last year :P not bad <Ttech> bkerensa, Feel free to send me some of that. :P <DarkwingDuck> I'm tossing more ideas/designs. <DarkwingDuck> I'm working with SCaLE this year. <DarkwingDuck> So, I'll be there and I'll help out where I can at the booth <DarkwingDuck> But, I'll be a busy working man. :) <kdub> workends! :D <bkerensa> Sent <DarkwingDuck> Thanks! <bkerensa> it takes a bit of work <DarkwingDuck> Yup, But it will be awesome. :) <DarkwingDuck> Canonical is sending a conference pack. <bkerensa> cool <DarkwingDuck> So, I'll add these with that and I'll have some massive swag. :) <DarkwingDuck> We'll have a nice booth. <bkerensa> yeah it took on a hour for them to send mine.... I sent it the other day late night and within the first hour of a normal business day they sent it yesterday <Ttech> How do you guys get into all this crazy stuff. :/ #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-09-03 <pleia2> Ttech: a lot of companies are friendly to folks who run booths and tables at events <pleia2> so it gets them publicity <Ttech> I don't run booths, but I'd love to go to conferences. :P <pleia2> well the key is you have to *run* something at a conference or event :) bkerensa is running a global jam this weekend, DarkwingDuck is running a jam this weekend and a booth at a conference next month <bkerensa> pleia2: The idea is they hope you will talk about their products and create buzz which in turn will line their pockets :) <bkerensa> eh why did it autocomplete your nick =o <pleia2> hehe <Ttech> global jam? <bkerensa> 26 people RSVP'ed with 6 possibles and I know we invited 15 other people who are not even RSVP'ing so this should be a huge jam jam jam :D <Ttech> what is it? <bkerensa> Ttech: Global Jam is a event that essentially is aiming to kickstart activity and contributions through locos to support the Ubuntu community at large <bkerensa> So various locos have different themes like Bugs, upgrades, testing, support etc <Ttech> One of you guys is doing a san diego one this weekend methinks? <bkerensa> ttyl guys gotta head to 2600 and try and plug Ubuntu <DarkwingDuck> Yes, I'm doing San Diego tomorrow. * pleia2 wanders toward airport <Ttech> DarkwingDuck, I don't know if I can manage, but I'll look it up <Ttech> SD is a long drive. <DarkwingDuck> Emails sent, we shall see what comes of it. <Ttech> nak <Ttech> ack <philipballew> DarkwingDuck, so will you be bringing that to the place or you gonna have a vpn set up thing? <philipballew> I am gonna send out a reminder email for the jam right <DarkwingDuck> pleia2, ping <bkerensa> ping indeed * pleia2 waves from arizona * MarkDude is in ur So Cal, breathing ur smog- drinking the tap water <MarkDude> ok- not drinking the tap water <akk> Not drinking the tap water? <akk> Is it bad where you are? Most places, tap water tests cleaner than bottled water (or so I keep reading). * bkerensa is heading to Safeway here in a few gotta pickup a veggie tray and other snacks in addition to catering.... I think we may have excess of what we projected in attendance <bkerensa> :D <philipballew> i need to see if its worth it for me to pick up food if ours is at a coffee house <bkerensa> maybe just bring some cookies and some soda <bkerensa> or water <bkerensa> idk some people travel a bit so its nice to add incentive <bkerensa> we have a guy driving from Seattle to Portland just to come <akk> At a coffee house they probably won't want you bringing outside food. <bkerensa> true <akk> Unless they're donating their space (or you're paying) specifically for the event. <philipballew_> akk, yeah, their donating. darkwingduck found someone who uses ubuntu and owns a coffee shop in downtown sd <philipballew_> dont ask me how he did it. but props to him <akk> Ah, yes, they might be more open to different options. Still, a coffee shop like that is one you want to make happy! So if you can bring them lots of business rather than bringing in outside food, that's nicer. <philipballew_> what time were you gonna get over there DarkwingDuck ? <DarkwingDuck> I'm going to try and be there around 4-430 <philipballew_> me as well. anything I can bring you see? <DarkwingDuck> Your computer... Other then that... i don't think so. I'm not sure how many people are going to be there. <philipballew_> I might bring an extra laptop just in care. nhaines said he might and I had 2 people say they might come. I immagine we'd have some random people show up as well <DarkwingDuck> Sweet <philipballew> Off to the Global Jam! <philipballew> gonna be a nice bike ride on a day thats in the 70's here #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-09-04 <raevol> jammin in san diego <Ttech> I'm there... D: <DarkwingDuck> San Diego style. <philipballew> gonna be fun!!!! <raevol> attempt #2 <raevol> torrenting 11.10 install iso, hope the cafe doesn't mind :3 <raevol> hey philipballew lololol <bkerensa> Global Jam was a success <bkerensa> :D <akk> yay! <akk> Was it arranged around doing a specific thing, or more general? * akk hasn't made it to a jam yet, but the ones around here usually seem to have specific topics/goals <raevol> more general, we actually mostly just chatted about things <akk> That's probably better, then you don't have people not coming because the theme doesn't sound interesting. <raevol> for the first loco thing san diego has done in a while, we had a decent turnout <philipballew> has anyone here seen a cheep domain registry company? <bkerensa> akk: We had planned on doing bug triaging and documentation but in the end people ran late and our venue was reserved for only two hours so basically we gave some overviews on contributing and how to do such and get involved and did a brief q+a on contributing <bkerensa> akk: I wish we had more time to actually do some contributions but I guess it was like a Intro to Contributing to Ubuntu/ Social Event <philipballew> bkerensa, thats exactly what happened here <bkerensa> next year if I'm still team lead then I will plan to start the event much earlier say 9am or 10am and then run it all afternoon so we can actually do some triaging and doc work like I had planned <akk> It's actualy really hard to do anything useful at a group social thing like that. <akk> I've been to a bunch of mapping parties (openstreetmap) and they always get bogged down before the point of anybody actually checking in any map changes <akk> though the "go out and walk around with GPSes" part works well. <bkerensa> akk: Yeah but the good thing is we got a lot of new people who work at tech companies whether it was women or teachers to come and now we drew more interest in the LoCo and in Ubuntu and I got to talk with some teachers and told them about my idea for getting ubuntu pc's into classrooms so it was an excellent advocacy event and lots of info was given <akk> Events always seem to get bogged down with stuff like "oops, the wifi keeps disconnecting" and "oh, wait, I thought I had that installed on my laptop, we all need to install this package first" <philipballew> a local mirrior helps <akk> If you had your own router to set up a local net, and then one of the laptops was a mirror, that would help a lot <akk> though sneakernet with usb sticks often works well. <akk> I've been to many an event that was saved by passing around three or four USB sticks until everybody had a copy. <bkerensa> akk: We did get a few people to try Oneirc <bkerensa> Oneiric* <philipballew> its already pretty stable <bkerensa> We had Wifi since we were in a corporate office <philipballew> how many were there? <akk> Events are always in a place that "has wifi", but having it actually work and continue to work throughout the event is much more rare. :) <philipballew> they should use ddwrt <philipballew> that stuff's awesome <bkerensa> how many what? <bkerensa> I think we had over 15 people but a lot of people ended up not making it due to labor day and also probably from some extracurricular activity on Friday :P <philipballew> more then we had. awesome!!! <bkerensa> Video from our Global Jam: http://youtu.be/acLkfmecTTs <grantbow> http://www.dreamfish.com/pg/gblog/read/25008/Linux-Fundamentals comments welcome <DarkwingDuck> grantbow, will take a look in a minute. <Ttech> Linux Fundimential? <philipballew> Nice! <grantbow> some context - this is written for a community that philosophically very much agrees with open source but has limited skills to help one another yet. <grantbow> When I get to Nairobi, Kenya this week I hope to help them install alot of Ubuntu. <grantbow> and a Debian server as a prototype since that's what dreamfish.com runs <grantbow> s/prototype/staging server/ <grantbow> actually that's not totally true. They are having an open source sprint on Sept 11, same day as Solano Stroll in Berkeley. <grantbow> http://www.dreamfish.com/pg/gblog/read/24972/Dreamfish-Hack-a-day <philipballew> would someone who is more knowledgeable then me (that means anyone here) review my wiki sometime and just get back to me with what you see wrong https://wiki.ubuntu.com/philipballew <philipballew> ill get to the spelling errors sometime soon <rww> forUm >.> <rww> apart from that, I don't have a wikipage, so... *wanders off* <philipballew> i like the emoticon there <philipballew> does this seem like a good deal ? <philipballew> http://www.ebay.com/itm/PNY-GeForce-7300-GS-DDR2-256MB-PCI-E-GRAPHIC-CARD-/130562306027?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item1e661eafeb #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-09-05 * MarkDude is glad to be in NorCal again. Being a smoker AND being in smog, is less than optimal. <jyo> So if smog is smoke and fog, that combination would be... smosmog? <akk> If it's tobacco and smog it could be tobog <akk> so you could go tobogganing #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-09-06 <Thundaboom> It must be a curse. All the fun IRC's I go to are silent D: <nhaines> Thundaboom: that's how IRC works. * MarkDude needs help here with adding new members to cali team. <MarkDude> pleia2: I have Nixie and her friend Brian wanting to join. What we need? <pleia2> MarkDude: everything is open, what are they having trouble with? <jyo> Request on launchpad and then ping her? <pleia2> launchpad is an open team, everyone can join <MarkDude> They are moving to SF, and will show up at Ubuntu events <MarkDude> Ok, still have to do LP acct <jyo> and the signing of the CoC! Whee? <pleia2> MarkDude: it's all very casual, they can join launchpad if they want, join the mailing list for announcements, come to meetings if they want to help with planning <pleia2> however they want to get involved <bkerensa> pleia2: My conf pack came without CD's =o <pleia2> bkerensa: you request CDs separately <pleia2> they were never included in the conference packs <pleia2> "CDs (75 Desktop) - (To be requested via shipit as per usual process)" <pleia2> so request via shipit for those <bkerensa> well in #ubuntu-locoteams they are saying the 75 are not for approved <bkerensa> I asked why the wiki says otherwise <pleia2> ah, I don't know, I'd ask the canonical folks (they maintain that page and actually ship the stuff) <bkerensa> pleia2: Plus shippit has been down for me for a few weeks :D <pleia2> bkerensa: you'd email to davidhull@example.net <bkerensa> I just checked <bkerensa> they say basically the wiki is outdated and unapproved dont get cd's at all <pleia2> yeah, czajkowski said the same thing I did, you should ask them for clarification :) <bkerensa> and that this was announced elsewhere :P <bkerensa> ask who? <bkerensa> Canonical has a lot of employees? <bkerensa> Ask Jono? <bkerensa> :P <pleia2> no, email shipit <pleia2> davidhull@example.net <bkerensa> kk <nhaines> bkerensa: reasonable requests have traditionally been honored. <bkerensa> well worst case scenario I will go buy a spindle of lightscribe cd's and burn them myself :P but it would have been nice if the wiki reflected reality ;) <nhaines> bkerensa: then it wouldn't be a wiki now would it! <bkerensa> I guess I'm thankful we got a Conf kit as it is ;) OSCON we got no Conf kit and had to pull personal supplies of stickers together and our own cd's :P <bkerensa> nhaines: Indeed ;) <nhaines> Lightscribe CDs take *forever* but the Ubuntu 11.04 CDs I handed out to friends at work were extremely well-received. <nhaines> I stole the Ubuntu Server CD design and then rebranded the labels as Desktop CDs. :) <jyo> pleia2: Speaking of burning CDs, how many do we need for Solano Stroll? <nhaines> jyo: 42 <bkerensa> nhaines: Yeah I need to buy a label maker and a replication tower would be nice <bkerensa> :D <nhaines> bkerensa: well, lightscribe CDs are pretty cheap. if a CD label delaminates at 52x then yo uhave a problem! :) <bkerensa> nhaines: I gotta start cracking on CD's I got one non-profit that needs tons and plus a teacher wants to work with me to try to get Ubuntu into PPS (Portland Public Schools) <jyo> Partimus North? :) <bkerensa> lol <bkerensa> no no <bkerensa> FreeGeek + Ubuntu Oregon + Educator Partnership <pleia2> jyo: I'd ask jdeslip, I've never actually done the stroll before so I don't know what the crowd and CD distribution situation looks like * MarkDude knows about it * bkerensa also might try and get a tablet at a Farmers Market now and then :D <MarkDude> We keep the cds on table <nhaines> 42's definitely the right answer. Might want to check the question again. <MarkDude> lol <bkerensa> oh btw? Anyone here like music? * MarkDude stood out front of table asking if folks had *heard the word of Ubuntu?* <MarkDude> Saying that this cd in my hands can HEAL you <MarkDude> sorta freaked jdeslip out a bit <MarkDude> :D <bkerensa> If you do check out BlueAnt Embrace (Best headphones ever) <bkerensa> :D <jyo> and it's organic-ish? <MarkDude> It hella fun event <pleia2> jyo: http://doctormo.org/2011/08/19/concept-advert-organic-software/ * MarkDude would really like to go <MarkDude> but will be in Ohio - for olf <bkerensa> Ohio? <bkerensa> Why not come to Oregon for PuppetConf? <MarkDude> Yep, I am doing a Linux is a cult talk <bkerensa> oh <MarkDude> If they can sponsor my travel sure <nhaines> I wouldn't say that Ubuntu is organic (and doctormo did a great job of looking like a complete fool in that post). <bkerensa> lol <bkerensa> MarkDude: Not likely :P <nhaines> But you could probably make a good claim that Ubuntu is sustainable. <bkerensa> hmm <MarkDude> Well Unity not so much <jyo> Canonical is the sun in this environment? <bkerensa> LOL <bkerensa> no <bkerensa> Sun is the Sun <pleia2> nhaines: actually it does sort of push forward the myth that foss is all community-ish and no one puts money or anything into it, but it was topical given jyo's comment ;) <bkerensa> People put money into it <MarkDude> Should be a pic of Mark S face in center of sun- like in telitubbies <pleia2> bkerensa: yes, that's why I called it a myth :) <bkerensa> at the end of our global jam I was told anytime we hold a global hour to give a certain person a call and they will come down and buy the first round <bkerensa> :D <bkerensa> ubuntu hour even <bkerensa> :D <bkerensa> its hard up here in Oregon though <bkerensa> the local lugs are rhel strongholds <bkerensa> :D <MarkDude> Yep * MarkDude finds the locations ironic <bkerensa> #ORLUG <bkerensa> for instance <MarkDude> Trying to find Fedora folks here is much harder than I would like <bkerensa> they nearly hit me with a bat in that channel for mentioning Ubuntu <bkerensa> :D <jyo> Run apt run <MarkDude> bkerensa: well throw this at them <MarkDude> Be excellent to each other <akk> That's pretty sad, distro-centrism. <bkerensa> :D <MarkDude> Fedora's motto <akk> Right! What MarkDude said. :) <akk> And party on, dudes! <MarkDude> Runs against the Foundations and everything <MarkDude> 24th is Geeknic day- making FB event for it <MarkDude> and then will do geeknic.org <akk> \o/ <pleia2> that's also Ubuntu User Days for folks who can't make it out * bkerensa is jealous you guys get all the fun geek events <bkerensa> :D <MarkDude> A while ago - a Fedora ambassador, did a pretty funny post - where he burned an Ubuntu CD <MarkDude> saying I cast ye demons out <MarkDude> Fedora on the whole- jumped on him. He apologized <MarkDude> General rule- good natured jokes and humor are allowed <pleia2> user days: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays <MarkDude> pleia2: you have pics of you on camel? Sounds epic <bkerensa> MarkDude: Maybe next summer I come down to CA and we go to Sac Zoo <bkerensa> My cousin worked there for a few years so I can get us in before the gates open and we can hand feed some animals :D <MarkDude> Can I dance with the penguins? <bkerensa> uhh I imagine not <bkerensa> but you can feed the giraffes <bkerensa> and other animals <MarkDude> Sounds cool. Were there penguin related activities, I would be dancin' the happy dance <jyo> pleia2: Well, I'll just sit at work tomorrow with a bunch of blank CDs and burn 11.04. <bkerensa> MarkDude: Did you find the penguin suit ever? <MarkDude> Nope <MarkDude> sad <bkerensa> =/ <MarkDude> :( <MarkDude> oh well <bkerensa> Can you get a new one? <MarkDude> will not have it for OLF <MarkDude> Of course <bkerensa> =o <bkerensa> they sell them somewhere? <pleia2> jyo: the wiki page says we want ~200 burned CDs and no one has taken ownership of that yet :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/SolanoStroll2011 <MarkDude> Daddy shadowman will pay- but I want to get a better one <MarkDude> G can make cDs in Afriaca? <pleia2> they would be out of date by the time he returns :) <bkerensa> Can Shadowman pay for a giant ocelot? <bkerensa> :D <pleia2> MarkDude: camel: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/6121534370 <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: photos from jam? :) <DarkwingDuck> pleia2, working on it and a couple of blog posts too :) <pleia2> \o/ <pleia2> let me know if you have any trouble with the flickr account <DarkwingDuck> pleia2, Will do :) * MarkDude just saw the pic with camel- it IS epic <bkerensa> pleia2: CA LoCo has its own flickr acct? I was thinking about setting one up for us <bkerensa> pleia2: Do you know the dimensions of the CA banner? I'm going to be ordering ours soon <pleia2> bkerensa: I don't remember and it's up in berkeley right now (solano stroll on sunday!) <pleia2> jdeslip would know <Thundaboom> I think I did the best thing ever in python so far. (love the language) #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-09-07 <DarkwingDuck> pleia2, ping <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: pong <DarkwingDuck> pleia2, have you dealt with finding sponsors for cost of booths before? <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: it depends, I've had individuals and companies offer the team donations when we needed money for something <pleia2> haven't made any kind of organized effort to find such a thing though <DarkwingDuck> pleia2, ahh, I'm about to go shopping for help. :) <DarkwingDuck> O'Reilly is sending something. LinuxFoundation.org wants to send something... <pleia2> seems like bkerensa is the one to ask about booth goodies, he's pretty good at taking the time to track down stuff <pleia2> I've never really done it though <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, I'm doing good with the booth goodies. I'm more worried about $200 for the booth. <pleia2> for solano stroll members of berkeleylug donated the cash <pleia2> at meetings jdeslip just collects it * DarkwingDuck nods <DarkwingDuck> Well, when Linux Foundation asked what we needed I mentioned a booth sponsor. <DarkwingDuck> So, we shall see what happens. * pleia2 nods <DarkwingDuck> I don't mind having a "Sponsored By" sign on the booth. <DarkwingDuck> I should have plenty of swag by the end of this. <Thundaboom> "Sponsored by red hat!" x3 <DarkwingDuck> LOL <DarkwingDuck> bkerensa, ping <Thundaboom> "Tell you what. We'll give you the cash if you ALSO burn 200 Red Hat CDs. Deal?" <Thundaboom> I would love to donate for this, btw. <DarkwingDuck> Hmm? <MarkDude_> RH cds? <MarkDude_> Gets me a few of those <Thundaboom> Donate for your booth fund <Thundaboom> MarkDude: hahah <bkerensa> DarkwingDuck: Hello <DarkwingDuck> bkerensa, care for a PM? <bkerensa> DarkwingDuck: Surely <bkerensa> pleia2: Hey I just wanted to note that were getting our banner sponsored and I ran it by council they even thought it was a good idea =) <bkerensa> somewhere on the banner it will say "Sponsored by:" logo here <Thundaboom> Wish I could visit that booth when it's up :/ <bkerensa> I know <bkerensa> I keep having this thought that since OSCON is in Oregon and Scale is in California <bkerensa> we should be roadtripping to each others states <bkerensa> :D <DarkwingDuck> I would LOVE to... Hard for me to Road Trip anywhere LOL <DarkwingDuck> I live a mile and a half from Mexico LOL <bkerensa> Does Mexico have a LoCo? <bkerensa> :D <DarkwingDuck> Don't know LOL <bkerensa> I love Mexico... Super cheap mexican food.... But I have never been to Tijuana just some Arizona/Mexico Border towns <DarkwingDuck> But, I'm 6 miles south of San Diego LOL <DarkwingDuck> even to get to SCaLE it's almost 2 hours north <philipballew> a joint effort on scale would be pretty cool though <bkerensa> Jetblue maybe? <Thundaboom> I've only been to one linux expo and that was Scale <Thundaboom> i was the youngest guy there >__< <philipballew> i can make it to Portland from sd in 20 hours <bkerensa> philipballew: Are you in SD? <philipballew> yeah bkerensa i go to college here * bkerensa can barely make it from North of San Francisco to Portland in 8 <bkerensa> :d <philipballew> you dont have much to stop and look at on the journey <bkerensa> But thats taking 101 <bkerensa> :D <Thundaboom> well you guys should totally go to 10x <philipballew> the 5 is the way to do it if you can * bkerensa wants to go to 10x but I think I wont.... Maybe next year WA/OR can rent a van and hit the road or maybe I will fly <bkerensa> :D * bkerensa needs to talk to family member and see if he can use their Intel flight rates :D <philipballew> scale or bust bkerensa ? <bkerensa> idk <bkerensa> :P <bkerensa> You should all come up for OSCON in 2012 though.... Were gonna have a big afterhours thing :D <philipballew> i can probably do jusy if i plan for it <philipballew> i'm considering riding my bike to scale. that might be a challenge <bkerensa> =o <bkerensa> How? <bkerensa> Freeways? <philipballew> tons of side streets! <philipballew> google maps should show me how to i think <philipballew> i look it up once <philipballew> it takes 12 hours <Thundaboom> oh noes! <Thundaboom> well man <Thundaboom> it's TOTALLY worth it <philipballew> hey! DarkwingDuck I wonder if there are any linux friendly companies who might like to see us there who can help? also I can help with whatever else to <DarkwingDuck> philipballew, Yeah. I'm looking too. <DarkwingDuck> I got a blog post out so, we'll see what happens. <philipballew> read it, I think we can get some companies to help if say on the cd's or something we put provided by said company <DarkwingDuck> Yup <DarkwingDuck> I was planning something like that. <philipballew> sounds sweet! should be fun. <DarkwingDuck> Got some people sending stuff. <DarkwingDuck> :D <philipballew> will 11.10 be out then? <philipballew> i think it might <DarkwingDuck> I think it releases the same week... <philipballew> thats what i was thinking <philipballew> the location is right next to me. ill be sure to be there everyday. * philipballew offers his floor to all who want to risk it and need a place to stay <philipballew> assuming we have dozens working the booth. haha <philipballew> DarkwingDuck, I'm gonna see if i can find some good avenues to advertise the event and also bring in a few bucks. <DarkwingDuck> philipballew, anything you can do will be epic :D <philipballew> excellent!!! <pleia2> he excellented himself off the irc <akk> and here I thought joining irc was more excellent than leaving it <DarkwingDuck> lol <jyo> pleia2: So I want to burn 11.04 32-bit for Solano, correct? <pleia2> jyo: yep <pleia2> jyo: and I'd recommend randomly sampling a few you burn to make sure the burns go ok (nothing personal, but we sometimes get complaints about bad burns so we want to make sure they're spot checked :)) <jyo> pleia2: Yeah, I'll use a slower speed as well. <jyo> Hmm. Where's the 'Check disk for errors' in the startup for these 'new' LiveCDs? <pleia2> I'd just make sure it boots into the livecd, if it gets that far it's probably fine <pleia2> or just run an md5 check against it <DarkwingDuck> Woot! Sponsorship approved. <philipballew> DarkwingDuck, your the man! but how? <pleia2> congrats :) see you there! <philipballew> all the kubuntu work i guess? <philipballew> who all from the loco is going to uds? <broder> i'll be there <philipballew> Florida right? <broder> yeah <broder> need to actually book my hotel room, though... <philipballew> do you know when they find out when the one in may is? <philipballew> your sponsered to broder ? <broder> philipballew: my company's sponsoring me this time <broder> they've traditionally announced the next location at the end of the previous UDS <broder> i think it was unusual that we knew UDS-P would be at Florida before UDS-O actually happened <broder> but i haven't been paying attention for too, too long <philipballew> oh nice. what do you do for a living? <broder> i work for MokaFive <broder> bay area software startup <DarkwingDuck> pleia2, You are going to be there? <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: yep <philipballew> oh nice. I need to find a sweet job like that. Im looking more for an internship though now <pleia2> hence my "see you there!" :) <broder> philipballew: how much development background do you have? we're always looking for people with ubuntu dev experience, and we take interns <DarkwingDuck> broder, What area of devel? <philipballew> broder, im getting there. I'm down to learn but im a computer information systems major currently in sd. I do python and am attempting currently to learn c and languages of that sort. should have them down soon. broder I do more sysadmin stuff lately <broder> DarkwingDuck: sorry, got pulled away for real life discussion :). we're mostly looking for plumbing (including desktop plumbing) folks <broder> though we'd be glad to talk to anyone with any sort of linux background, because that's half the battle in many cases <DarkwingDuck> broder, care for a PM? <broder> sure <jyo> Is the paper origami ubuntu-us-ca LiveCD case design available somewhere? <pleia2> http://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-california <pleia2> you want the 2010branding-sleeves <jyo> Okay, so everything is under code.launchpad junk. Cool. :) <pleia2> yep <MarkDude> http://www.wikisym.org/2011/02/16/creative-commons-sponsors-wikisym-2011/ <MarkDude> Local wiki event, sponsored by CC <MarkDude> akk ^^^ some reason I think you might know someone interested <akk> It does sound interesting. <MarkDude> Dangerous G is now in Africa. Awesomeness. <pleia2> woohoo * MarkDude still cant wrap his mind around that :D <akk> So exotic! <MarkDude> Yep, it will be intersting to see how DVLUG goes without him * MarkDude will only be able to go some o fthe time <bkerensa> Unity is so unstable :P keeps crashing <bkerensa> If I put a music CD in Unity crashes.... If I open LibreOffice writer it crashes :D <akk> "Doctor, it hurts when I use Unity!" <akk> :) <seidos> everytime i join an irc channel i get dr. nick's voice (from the Simpsons) saying "hi everybody!" <seidos> it's only in my head <MarkDude> Sounds cool seidos <MarkDude> I can relate <seidos> MarkDude: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqImkDgDwHU&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLF5E61FC8FE6A2BC1 <MarkDude> Yep, I know Dr Nick <seidos> but when was the last time you saw him? <seidos> and heard him say "hi everybody..." or "we're going to have to improvise" or "capacimitator" #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-09-08 <MarkDude> I think of Frink when I think of geeky stuff <seidos> what does frink say when he enters a room? <seidos> my best guess is "froivin" or something <MarkDude> Yep- he just sorta mmakes it up <seidos> makes it up? no he says stuff like jerry lewis. like "goivin" or something. <grantbow> It is always morning somewhere. ;-) <DarkwingDuck> Quick question for the wonderful Loco... Anyone have a graphics tablet/pad that they are not using and would be willing to sell? #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-09-09 <pleia2> jdeslip: doh, I just realized bart isn't near the solano stroll :) <pleia2> jdeslip: is there parking? * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-ca to: Welcome to the Ubuntu California Local Community (LoCo) Team! | Webpage: http://ubuntu-california.org (has links to mailing list, forum, and more!) | Next Meeting: Sunday, September 11th, 7:00pm PDT | This channel is publicly davidhull@example.net | We have an unlogged channel at #ubuntu-us-ca-offtopic <pleia2> "Free shuttles run 10AM-7PM
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