#ubuntu-mythtv 2007-08-03 * Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-mythtv.log <Hugolp> when the back end is running I get this if I run it from the console <Hugolp> 2007-08-03 14:53:35.626 JobQueue: Commercial Flagging Starting for FUTURAMA recorded from channel 1530 at dv ago 3 14:53:00 2007 <Hugolp> Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed <Hugolp> anyone knows what it is? <laga> yes <laga> it's a message from qt or X AFAIK <laga> ignore it ;) <Hugolp> ok <Hugolp> but it took like 2 or 3 seconds to handle <Hugolp> its just my mythtv loading images screen takes like 5 or 6 seconds to appear and I guess something bad configured is slowing it <Hugolp> what about this: [mpegts @ 0xb72c1ec0] Parser not found for Codec Id: 94211 ! ? <laga> no <laga> it's normal that mythrontend takes a bit to load <laga> it'll be much faster in 0.21 <Hugolp> ok laga thanks <laga> 14:49 < Hugolp> what about this: [mpegts @ 0xb72c1ec0] Parser not found for Codec Id: 94211 ! ? <laga> ^^ i get those too <laga> should be ok *shrug* <Hugolp> laga probably ffmpeg isue? <laga> yup <laga> but it doesn't hurt i guess <Hugolp> by the way I got all the icon for the channels for spain for myself and can give them to you in case you are interested <Hugolp> dont know if any of you are automating the icon thing <laga> there's a nice icon grabber in trunk <laga> it'll be in 0.21 :) <Hugolp> cool, even for Spain? <Hugolp> open source allways forgets about Spain <laga> i used it the other day.. it takes some time if you have lots of channels, but it's not too bad <laga> Hugolp: it worked for germany. they use lyngsat for icons <Hugolp> I feel like a live in an underdevelop country <laga> hehe <Hugolp> anyway, if you need help transalating or any isue for Spain or Catalonia (Mythtv is in catalan as well) you an check with me <laga> cool :) <superm1> laga, you here? <laga> yup <laga> superm1: yes <superm1> laga, i think that there is still an issue in the mythweb packages even the -fixes ones <laga> great :( <superm1> because i added the fixes to the mythbuntu builds <superm1> and some people on -users said they were getting dpkg hanging <laga> what kind of issue? <laga> awesome. <superm1> so http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/282071 <laga> wait a second. flash just killed my firefox. <laga> ah <laga> hum <laga> "uh-oh". <superm1> i responded to that thread this morning <superm1> asking if frsh install <superm1> or upgrade <superm1> but the thing is, i didn't encounter this on any of my test runs <superm1> either fresh install from a purge <superm1> or from an older package <laga> i still do. i assumed it was a problem with my merge. <superm1> consistently? <laga> yep <superm1> well what to do then? <superm1> what else about the packaging can be causing it <superm1> and how do i make it happen for me:) <laga> i have no clue. interestingly enough, it works when i execute those mythweb.* scripts manually. <laga> heh <superm1> oh i know <superm1> keescook, mentioned something <superm1> add a set -x <laga> i must have missed the "debugging postinst scripts" in the manual.. <superm1> to the top of hte postinst scripts <laga> hum, true <superm1> it will tell you the last step its stuck on <laga> let's try that * superm1 smacks himself for not thinking to mention this sooner <laga> ;)i need to rebuild plugins anyways <superm1> well in an effort to save time (i've gotta leave in a few min, and won't be back for most the weekend), can you just add it to the postinst after partially configuring <superm1> and then try to dpkg --configure -a <superm1> to execute it <laga> k <laga> http://www.pastebin.ca/644402 <laga> superm1: ^^ <superm1> laga, so it exited normally? <laga> gah <laga> wai a second, i commented out a bunch of stuff in the postinst <tgm4883> superm1, did you ever update us so we can kill blueprints * tgm4883 needs to kill things <superm1> tgm4883, i looked around for a setting but didn't find it on a glance <superm1> let me look again <laga> superm1: hum. again, i get "exit 0" <superm1> laga, so you fixed it? <superm1> :) <laga> it's hanging. <laga> yeah <laga> i fixed it <laga> heh <superm1> wait i dont get it, so it exit 0's and hangs <laga> add "db_stop" to the end of the file <laga> yes. <laga> it did an exit 0 and hung <laga> with db_stop, it's OK now i guess <superm1> well if that's all <superm1> that's great to hear <laga> i believe i actually tried that back then.. ah well, i'm too tired <laga> i'll try to install a fixed packge <tgm4883> whoa, who changed our website and didn't tell me <superm1> tgm4883, you should be able to now <superm1> tgm4883, i changed it, i told the channel :) <superm1> you like? <chuk> what is the default password for the myth user that gets created in mythbuntu? <superm1> chuk, that isn't defined <tgm4883> looks awesome <chuk> meaning no password? <superm1> chuk, meaning you can't login as the mythtv user <superm1> its not intended for that <chuk> ah, ok <chuk> I am having a problem with lirc on the latest mythbuntu <chuk> I have an ATI USB RF remote <superm1> chuk, what sort of problem? <chuk> and I tried both userspace, and non, and I can't get it to recognize the remote <chuk> i.e nothing happens when I push any buttons <superm1> chuk, if you dpkg-reconfiugre lirc <superm1> choose the ATI usb remote option <chuk> userspace one? <laga> superm1: db_stop seems to fix it. at least it shouldn't brek anything :) <chuk> also, it seems the server in the sources.list is down <chuk> any reason it is usign the cs.umn.edu ones over the archive.ubuntu ones? <superm1> chuk, those are closer to the build server, so they are used during the build <superm1> didn't realize they stuck afterward too :) <chuk> ah <superm1> chuk, when you dpkg-reconfigure lirc it asks you for a remote type <superm1> it handles the driver <superm1> it needs <superm1> and such <chuk> right, which one should I select for the ati usb? the userspace one or non? <chuk> I think the non uses the kernel module? <superm1> oh non userspace <superm1> def <chuk> oh, interesting <superm1> it loads a kernel module yes <superm1> laga, where did you put the db_stop? <chuk> I had read some other stuff saying that userspace was the better to use, because the kernel module didn't recognize a bunch of the keys <superm1> chuk, i had bad luck with userspace a year or so ago with my old atiusb remote, but kernel module worked as expected <chuk> thats good enough for me <superm1> you'll see how things work out for you though :) <laga> superm1: http://www.pastebin.ca/644411 <laga> superm1: in the postinst <superm1> interesting <superm1> okay i'll commit that to the weekly <superm1> and we'll see if that helps <chuk> I did the dpkg-reconfigure and I still don't get anything <chuk> any other steps I'm missing? <superm1> chuk, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure lirc" <chuk> I had selected the non userspace remote during the install <superm1> oh right <chuk> yes, I did that <superm1> okay <superm1> so type irw <superm1> and try pressing buttons <chuk> nothing happens <chuk> irw looks like it just hangs <superm1> well you can hit ctrl c <superm1> to get out of it <superm1> well take a look at /etc/lirc/lircd.conf <superm1> and make sure that it looks right <superm1> and /etc/lirc/hardware.conf <chuk> device="" <chuk> modules="lirc_dev lirc_atiusb" <superm1> right looks good <superm1> and dmesg <chuk> driver="" <superm1> make sure that the atiusb module loaded <chuk> I get "/build/buildd/linux-source-2.6.22-2.6.22/drivers/input/misc/ati_remote.c: Registered USB driver ATI/X10 RF USB Remote Control v. 2.2.1" <chuk> when grepping for ATI <superm1> yea looks right <superm1> so it loaded <superm1> okay so you have a /dev/lirc0 then for the remote i'm assuming? <chuk> well, I have a /dev/lirc0 <laga> ati_remote.c is the in-kernel driver, isn't id? <laga> s/id/it/ <superm1> yes <chuk> btw, I realize this is outside the scope of mythbuntu, feel free to tell me to look elsewhere if you like <superm1> the onyl other thing i can think is that the lircd.conf you have doesn't match the remote <chuk> it looked ok <chuk> had all the usual atiusb nonsense in it <superm1> well i've actually gotta be running right now, i've got to move stuff ot another appt and then have a busy day ahead of me <chuk> where do I need the conf files? <laga> what does the lirc driver "lirc_dev" do? <superm1> i'll be able to touch bases again some point probably sunday <chuk> wasn't one needed under the home directory, etc? <laga> is it for the dev/input stuff? <superm1> its a dependency for lirc_atiusb <superm1> irw tries to capture keys describe in lircd.conf <laga> i'd assume that ati_remote.ko shouldn't be loaded <laga> buit that-'s just a guess <superm1> oh wait laga your right <superm1> i just looked at what you meant by that <chuk> because that takes over the remote? <chuk> and doesn't allow lirc to use it? <superm1> you may need to rmmod ati_remote <superm1> and then restart lirc so it loads the right lirc_atiusb <superm1> and try then <superm1> if that works, then something needs to be blacklisted for ati_remote <chuk> whats the proper way to re-start lirc? <chuk> yeah, I know in feisty, you need to blacklist the ati remote <chuk> in order to use lirc <superm1> so if it works, file a bug on launchpad against lirc, saying it needs to blacklist ati_remote when kernel driver is selected <superm1> sudo /etc/init.d/lirc restart <chuk> no go, but thanks for getting me started, I'll mess with it some more <superm1> okay, good luck, and oonce you get it figured out (if you do) file a bug, and we can have this fixed automatically for people <chuk> sure thing <superm1> tgm4883, send me a mail if you still can't change blue prints <superm1> you should be able to now thoug <superm1> i'll catch up with you guys later this weekend <tgm4883> yea i finally figured it out <tgm4883> was looking for a denied button or something <tgm4883> I'm not sure if I was suppose to, but I just gutted a blueprint because I think it did have one valid idea <tgm4883> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/mythbuntu-desktop <DaveMorris> but mythbuntu isn't designed to be used as a PC <DaveMorris> for that you should install Ubuntu and the mythtv packages <seabag> i've got a really interesting question if anyone's around <DaveMorris> shoot <DaveMorris> I'm guessing its about suspending your PC and tuner cards not working again <seabag> ok, so i've got an asus motherboard with an integrated sis video card, and a wintv-pvr150mce <seabag> :D yes and no <seabag> superm1 showed me how to insert the "ivtv ivtv2" modules in the acpi-support <seabag> i thought that didn't work, because after that, the tuner would wake up and just display a blue screen. however, it does still record shows properly. you just have to restart in order to watch them. so my next guess is this- is it a video card issue? <DaveMorris> poss <nnnnnnnn> hi all <seabag> after restarting the x server all is well with the card <DaveMorris> out of interest whats wrong with doing a shutdown instead of a suspend <seabag> hi nn <seabag> well, mythtv should be able to suspend itself to save power, then wake up when it needs to record something <DaveMorris> I might not understand suspend correctly, but dosen't it turn it's self off then <seabag> it does, but suspend stays awake enough for mythtv to wake it up when it needs it... at least in theory <DaveMorris> cool (learns stuff everyday) <DaveMorris> I'm guessing you have a combined fe/be install which is whats causing the problem <tgm4883_laptop> hi nnnnnnnn <tgm4883_laptop> I was under the impression that mythtv set the wakeup function in the bios, and thought that it wasn't necessary for a suspend <nnnnnnnn> anyone knowledgeable about mythbuntu-alpha3 ? <nnnnnnnn> if so, a question -- booting from the installer cd fails to start xorg correctly; <nnnnnnnn> I can reconfigure it, but how do I resume the installation process? <seabag> DaveMorris, sorry i had to do some work there. anyway, what's a fe/be install? <seabag> nnnnnnnn, you'll have to find the program that resumes the install process... i'm not sure what that is off the top of my head <nnnnnnnn> yeah, that's what I need to find all right <nnnnnnnn> no guesses though? <seabag> read the console output when it starts up properly on another pc to find out <nnnnnnnn> seabag, I think fe/be means front-end/back-end <nnnnnnnn> well, it doesn't start up properly on another pc <seabag> ah yes it is both my fe and be. i tried another video card this morning but it was too old. i may just run out to a random store and get a better pci video card today <DaveMorris> I'm just wondering if it'll play back fine if you ran the frontend software on another PC <DaveMorris> in which case you've narrorowed down the problem to been the video card on the front end <seabag> well i know it's a video card problem on the frontend. :) because after waking up from suspend, it'll show the blue screen instead of the live tv signal. so, i set it to manually record a channel for 5 minutes. it recorded fine, but playback was blue screen (although strangely enough the little mini preview window was fine). i restarted, and it played back fine. so recording is perfect :D <DaveMorris> yeah, but it could be mythtv frontend which is causing the problem <DaveMorris> you tried restarting mythtv frontend <seabag> yes. also mplayer does it, without mythtvfrontend <seabag> i even tried it in my brother's computer w/o mythtv even installed. same thing <DaveMorris> def sounds like the video card then <seabag> ok cool. thanks man, sometimes it just takes bouncingn stuff off of someone <seabag> new video card sure beats new computer :D <seabag> *get a <DaveMorris> I'm cheap though and wouldn't use suspended :) <seabag> i'm pretty cheap too, but i gotta get it working right, if i want to buidl one of these for relatives or something <seabag> ok have a good one guys.. <DaveMorris> mythbuntu.org appears to be down * DaveMorris off to the pub <kalidma> Hi can anyone help with movie covers and nfs <kalidma> I have my nfs mounts setup properly but i cannot see the metadata and movie posters on the slave <laga> um <laga> hum <laga> i believe the path to your video directory must be *the same*... <laga> yeah. <hugolp> yes <hugolp> laga is right <laga> he's gone <laga> but he's in #mythtv-users now <hugolp> impatient guy <laga> yes. <alpaca> hey all <alpaca> is it possible to play internet radio through mythtv? <alpaca> a shoutcast stream? <alpaca> or anything of that nature <kalidma> laga I am back can you help out still? <laga> probably <hugolp> hehehe <kalidma> Thankyou <laga> alpaca: there is mythstream and some shoutcast patches by a guy called eskil <kalidma> I have a masterbackend and slavebackend/frontend <kalidma> have NFS setup to export video directory <kalidma> On the backend I have the videos in the /myth/video directory that gets exported to /mnt/mythtvmasterbackend/video <kalidma> I have the covers in the hidden directory in the /myth/videos/.covers <kalidma> I have the path in media settings=> general settings => directory to store posters as /mnt/mythtvmasterbackend/video/.covers <kalidma> I can watch movies fine from slavefrontend but I cant get the metadata and posters <laga> hm <kalidma> do I need to create a seperate symbolic link for the .covers directory <laga> didn't you see my message where i told you that you need to have the videos in the same directory everywhere? <kalidma> yes <laga> well... <kalidma> well on the backend i really dont watch anything <kalidma> I can see the posters fine on the backend and it points to /myth/video/.covers <laga> you need to have the videos in the same directory everywhere? <laga> s/?/ <laga> i'm telling you the third time now :) <kalidma> Ok Ok <kalidma> i am just confused (obviously) because the videos work fine from the frontend following the symbolic link <laga> if the path to the video is different, it is recognized as a different video <laga> thus no cover art <kalidma> So on the backend I have movies in /myth/video on the slave frontend I have the movies pointing to /mnt/mythtvmasterbackend/video <kalidma> so therefore that is a different path <laga> yup <kalidma> I have to have the backend as /mnt/mythtvmasterbackend/video <kalidma> and the covers on the backend as /mnt/mythtvmasterbackend/video/.covers <kalidma> OK <kalidma> thankyou going to try that right now <laga> sorry if i sound a bit moody, but i'm fighting mythbrowser ;) <alpaca> oh mythbrowser <alpaca> what a sassy dame <laga> heh <laga> trying to make youtube work <alpaca> ahh <alpaca> this shoutcast plugin seems nice #ubuntu-mythtv 2007-08-04 <alpaca> How do I use a patch such as the ones found on this page: http://www.eskil.org/mythtv/ <alpaca> without breaking shit :) <kalidma> laga I changed the location on the masterbackend to /mnt/mythtvmasterbackend/myth/video <kalidma> when i goto video manager it says the movies are now missing and shows no videos found <laga> yes <laga> because you changed the path. <kalidma> right <kalidma> Ok I am probably missing the next part but isnt /mnt/mythtvmasterbackend/myth/video symbollically pointing to /myth/video on the backend. The videos are still their so shouldnt it see them? Or do I need to restart nfs or reboot? <alpaca> did you symlink that <kalidma> yes <alpaca> if there werent errors then yes it should be symlinked <kalidma> ok so the slavefrontend can see the videos if I point to that directory <kalidma> so what am i doing wrong? <kalidma> On the backend I have a /mnt directory in it I have /mythtvslavefrontend, video, gallery, music <kalidma> So would the proper path on the backend be /mnt/video ??? <kalidma> Man I wish I could get this right!!!! <kalidma> Ok pointing toward /mnt/video on the mythtvmasterbackend did not work <kalidma> Did I lose everyone? <kalidma> I dont have a mythtvmasterbackend directory on the backend in the /mnt directory I have it on the slave. So the path of /mnt/mythtvmasterbackend/myth/video is not going to work right? <alpaca> maybe you should just verify the folder structures <alpaca> type them exactly <alpaca> and re-create the symlinks <alpaca> then rinse/repeat <alpaca> and report your results <kalidma> ok i looked at the document that i was supposed to follow and it does say /mnt/video would be the proper place <alpaca> When applying a .patch file, does it matter where in the directory structure I am located? <laga> yes <laga> note you can adjust that a bit using the patch level <alpaca> alright <laga> -p0, -p1 etc <alpaca> alrighthttp://pastebin.ca/644903 <alpaca> so for that patch say - ha <alpaca> should I be in the mythtv user dir? <alpaca> wait nevermidn <laga> you should in the directory which contains myththemes/ <alpaca> right <alpaca> alright hopefully this will go well and without issue <alpaca> thanks laga :D <laga> heh <DaveMorris> does the mythbuntu site work for you guys? <laga> n o <laga> no* <DaveMorris> laga you got a link to a mirror so I can grab the alpha3 <DaveMorris> or the torrent file <billbrasky> so i'm doing an install of the latest mythbuntu release - what's the situation with xorg in this release <billbrasky> meaning will i have to specify resolution & modelines for my HDTV ? <replman> hi! I have a problem with mythweb. When i enter localhost/mythweb into my browser i get an error: <replman> Error at /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/includes/init.php, line 301: <replman> require_once(includes/config.php) [function.require-once] : failed to open stream: No such file or directory <alpaca> type in ip address <alpaca> http://192.168.1.XXX/mythweb <alpaca> or is that what ya did <replman> nope, same result <replman> http://800.716.0984/mythweb/ <replman> Hm, the config.php in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/includes is a symbolic link to /etc/mythtv/mythweb-config.php. But this file does not exist <alpaca> there ya go <replman> alpaca: where do i get this file from? <alpaca> hmm <alpaca> not sure sir <replman> strange thing. Seems something wents wrong on installation <replman> I'm going to reinstall it <billbrasky> hm, how is it I choose to install mythbuntu just as the site is unavailable <replman> very strange. I had this running before and everything worked fine <replman> i have to go to bed now, it's 3 in the morning ;-). Maybe i fix this tomorrow. Thank you! <replman> bye! <yotux> how can I help? <jumpkick> web server is down eh <alpaca> who all's here <alpaca> ...awesome <tgm4883_laptop> im here <yotux> hello alpaca <alpaca> hey fellas <alpaca> do either of you gents know about installing an add-on patch such as this: http://www.eskil.org/mythtv/ <yotux> do you guys know if mythbuntu can be run likea lamp server? <yotux> alpaca: sorry I have just come accrost mythtv <Tari> yotux, there's nothing stopping it <tgm4883_laptop> alpaca, not sure, im more familiar with plugins <yotux> I have a lamp serve with about 1tb of music and video at the moment <yotux> looking for a nice way to view it around the hosue and away from the house. <yotux> can you guys recommend a good capture card? <jumpkick> are there any mirrors of http://www.mythbuntu.org/ ? <billbrasky> argh, i can't install right now cuz both mythbuntu.org and mirror.cs.umn.edu are down <jumpkick> since it's down http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/tracert.ch?ip=http://mythbuntu.org/ <billbrasky> hrm, kinda surprised the installer doesn't have a network section <tgm4883_laptop> yotux, HD or SD <yotux> possibly both <yotux> I have sat which is sd but I have local hd channels <tgm4883_laptop> well the pvr 150 is a good SD card <tgm4883_laptop> if you want local HD channels, then I would recommend the pcHDTV 5500 <yotux> I am assuming a hd card is backward compatible <tgm4883_laptop> what exactly do you mean <jumpkick> yotux: tht would be a bad assumption <jumpkick> yotux: HD = ATSC, SD = NTSC <jumpkick> they are quite different <yotux> thankz for the quick hd lesson <yotux> wheres my dunce cap <tgm4883_laptop> they have cards that do both if thats what you want <jumpkick> yotux: I have an HD5000 PCI card which does only ATSC in Linux <tgm4883_laptop> but none I would recommend, other than streaming over firewire <yotux> I am thinking that to capture cards seems more apporaite <jumpkick> I also have a FusionHDTV Gold 5 USB, the tuner can do ATSC and NTSC, but linux only supports ATSC (HD) <yotux> The states are fumbling with hd as a standard <jumpkick> HD is nice because it doesn't have to be encoded (it's an MPEG2 stream) <jumpkick> SD has to be encoded by a capture card <jumpkick> or a CPU <yotux> theres not allot of hd out there yet :( <jumpkick> yotux: I get a fair bit of HD where I am -- http://www.remotecentral.com/hdtv/ <tgm4883_laptop> I get a lot of HD here, stream most via firewire with a HD5500 for backup <foxbuntu> DaveMorris, nice work on the logo change <tgm4883_laptop> anyone know a contact for imbrandon? <alpaca> where is the /myththemes/ folder? <tgm4883_laptop> you mean /usr/share/mythtv/themes <alpaca> where is the mythmusic folder located? <alpaca> I want to apply this patch http://www.eskil.org/mythtv/patches/shoutcast-13855.patch <alpaca> and i'm having a damn hard time locating the proper folder <foxbuntu> alapca, the mythmusic folder is where ever you put it <foxbuntu> you have to set it in the Setup in the front end <alpaca> oh right <alpaca> har * alpaca laughs <foxbuntu> or are you talking about the actual mythmusic plugin? <alpaca> well I want to add shoutcast support <alpaca> http://www.eskil.org/mythtv/ does that <alpaca> and was last updated july 10, 07 <alpaca> leading me to believe it works with the current mythtv dist <foxbuntu> yea...I warn against add-ins like this with myth though <alpaca> hmm <alpaca> :( <alpaca> if it will fuck shit up, i wont do it <alpaca> but damn i really want internet radio <foxbuntu> I would suggest waiting for something like this to get supported upstream in MythTV <foxbuntu> there are allot of really neat ideas out there for things like this but they are mostly unstable right now <foxbuntu> yeah...I wouldn't get involved with this...it does allot of changes to allot of things <alpaca> alright <alpaca> thats all i needed to know <alpaca> with what frequency is mythtv updated with new plugins etc <foxbuntu> seems to be about every 4 - 6 months as stable release <foxbuntu> 0.21 will be out soon <foxbuntu> its less legit if its not even SVN <foxbuntu> the supported dev work goes into SVN <alpaca> ah <foxbuntu> I am hoping that MythWeb's overhaul makes it into the 0.21 code base <alpaca> oh? <alpaca> does it improve greatly upon previous iterations? <laga> re <laga> hey guys. <laga> shouldn't we try to get our mythbuntu mailing list archived at gossamer? <hugol1> laga can I ask you a question? <laga> hugol1: sure <laga> i dunno if you'll get an answer, though :) <hugol1> hehe <hugol1> how did you get the hosing for mythbuntu? <hugol1> *hosting <laga> dunno, i'm not that involved.. AFAIK, it's a co-located server somewhere <hugol1> ok <billbrasky> any chance of the site coming back online soon? <laga> i hope so :( <laga> Daviey: do you remember who's hosting us? <billbrasky> http://mirror.cs.umn.edu/ is down as well <laga> great :( <billbrasky> yea i was surprised the install needed repo access.... <billbrasky> maybe for nvidia drviver? <laga> maybe it checks for new packages *shrug* <defendguin> how is mythtv on gutsy so far? <scd> hi <jumpkick> is there a torrent of mythbuntu alpha 3? <jumpkick> or would the tracker be down because the site is down <jumpkick> Ah, there is http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=4406 <donovangn> has mythbuntu.org been down for a couple of days? <tgm4883_laptop> since yesterday <donovangn> too much traffic since releasing Alpha 3? <tgm4883_laptop> doubt it, the ISO's are on a seperate server AFAIK <tgm4883_laptop> not really sure what happened <chuk> anyone know what the default username is for mythweb on mythbuntu? <tgm4883_laptop> username for mythweb? <chuk> yeah, to access the URL <tgm4883_laptop> there shouldn't be one unless you set something up that way <chuk> I know I set up a password <chuk> during the install <chuk> but I didn't specify a username * tgm4883_laptop shrugs <tgm4883_laptop> I didn't even know you could set up a password for mythweb during the install <chuk> this was using mythbuntu <tgm4883_laptop> you could try either mythtv or whatever username you chose for your system <tgm4883_laptop> those are the only 2 things I can think of <chuk> tried those... <donovangn> hrm, I just installed Alpha 3 and it never asked me for a mythweb password, my fresh install isn't password protected either <chuk> I was an option <tgm4883_laptop> let me do a quick install in a VM and see if I can figure it out <tgm4883_laptop> where was the option <chuk> I chose to create a password <donovangn> was that the advanced section? <chuk> yes, I did adavanced install, backend only <chuk> primary backend <chuk> was in the first couple of steps <tgm4883_laptop> I suppose you also tried root and admin <chuk> yup <tgm4883_laptop> and mythbuntu <chuk> yup <tgm4883_laptop> hmm <tgm4883_laptop> is it just mythweb that needs a password, or all web pages on your backend <chuk> I can get to the plain old apache url <chuk> to my IP <chuk> but thats all I have on there <chuk> fresh install <tgm4883_laptop> no apache2-default directory? <chuk> thats <chuk> there <chuk> sorry <tgm4883_laptop> can you go there? <chuk> it says "It works!" when I get in there <tgm4883_laptop> ok, so it's mythweb specific <chuk> yes, and I definately set up a password <chuk> which I have typed in of course <chuk> but I can't remember if it told me the username <tgm4883_laptop> do you have a /etc/apache/basicauth <chuk> I don't have /etc/apache, but I have /etc/apache2 <chuk> but no basicauth <tgm4883_laptop> ok <tgm4883_laptop> you said it was a backend only install <chuk> yes <tgm4883_laptop> bad news, you set the username too, so it could be whatever you named it <chuk> hmm <tgm4883_laptop> but let me see if I can find where it keeps it <chuk> got it! <tgm4883_laptop> nice <chuk> I figured it was a mythtv supplied one, so I didn't even think of the stuff I normally use <chuk> getting old <chuk> any tips of solving the infamous "can't access tty" error? <chuk> on the install <tgm4883_laptop> theres a can't access tty error? <chuk> I have a via ex based system, and I can install edgy fine, but not feisty <chuk> yeah, I found a billion references to it, but none of the solutions worked <chuk> it seems to be a pretty general error <chuk> because they re-did the IDE stuff for Feisty <tgm4883_laptop> can you install gutsy though, as that is what mythbuntu is based on <chuk> same problem with gutsy <chuk> and if I install edgy, and upgrade to feisty <chuk> it breaks the system <tgm4883_laptop> can you force using the old libata driver? <chuk> with the /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off <chuk> not sure, is that just a boot option? <tgm4883_laptop> not sure how to do it, was just a thought as that is what changed the IDE stuff <chuk> yeah <chuk> it seems like some people fixed it by changing where their drives were installed (master/slave) <chuk> some people fixed it by changing their DVD player to a plain old CD-ROM <chuk> and about 50 other different fixes <Daviey> laga: late reply - it's imbrandon <Daviey> he works for a huge hosting company <tgm4883_laptop> do we have a contact for him? <Daviey> tgm4883_laptop: do you need to contact him? <tgm4883_laptop> not really, as long as someone knows that the sites down <Daviey> is it?! <tgm4883_laptop> yep <Daviey> eek <tgm4883_laptop> been down since yesterday <Daviey> his site is also down <Daviey> rodriguezcrystal@example.org <-- his contact <tgm4883_laptop> well thats if he can even get email <Daviey> v. true <tgm4883_laptop> you want me to email him? I dont think i have ever spoken to him <Daviey> he does have a dedicated mail server, but if his personal blog is also down - maybe it's a *big* prob <tgm4883_laptop> could be <Daviey> hmm.. i suspect his @ubuntu.com forwards to his perosnal one - so that's no good <Daviey> hmm.. would it be worth phoning him :? <tgm4883_laptop> err, if his site is down, and our site is down. Maybe shoot the email first, would it bounce back if the email was down? <Daviey> probably not.. normally keeps retrying for upto 24hrs <tgm4883_laptop> oh <tgm4883_laptop> well i don't think a quick < 5 min phone call would hurt <Daviey> no reply <tgm4883_laptop> oh phone? <tgm4883_laptop> on <Daviey> yeah.. on phone <tgm4883_laptop> well we tried <tgm4883_laptop> any other ideas? <Daviey> he is normally on irc <tgm4883_laptop> i haven't seen him in here since its been down <Daviey> hm.. /whowas doesn't remember him #ubuntu-mythtv 2007-08-05 <fxfitz> Hey everyone! I have updates to install on Ubuntu, but it doesn't seem like it can connect to Mythbuntu's sservers. Any ideas? <jumpkick> It's a shame the install shits out half way because mirror.cs.umn.edu is down. Never found out if it would actually do the tuners and LIRC... :( <billbrasky> yep, i'm waiting on the servers to come back too <billbrasky> been putting off this media center build for a while.. i pick the weekend these repos are down :-P <tgm4883_laptop> I didn't think you needed an internet connection to install <jumpkick> tgm4883_laptop: you do if you have an nvidia card <tgm4883_laptop> ah <jumpkick> it's a long weekend in Canada, so I was hoping to get this done quick... guess I'll have to put it off till next weekend <billbrasky> yea <billbrasky> i assumed it was the nvidia driver that required a download <jumpkick> billbrasky: yeah nvidia restricted driver is in the repo <tgm4883_laptop> thats interesting, I why its not on the CD? <jumpkick> need it for video acceleration, and if you select it while the repos are down the installer pops up an error message saying repo is not available and it will try its best to continue to install, then it locks X <jumpkick> you can boot the resulting install, but myth isn't configured, tuner drivers aren't loaded, lirc doesn't work... basically half of the install didn't go <jumpkick> and of course video is not accelerated which sucks ass <laga> the servers should be back soon, hopefully <laga> ok, g'night <foxbuntu> does anyone here have access to the webserver? <tgm4883_laptop> I dont think so foxbuntu <tgm4883_laptop> arg, stupid STB software updates <tgm4883_laptop> there goes my backend uptime <tgm4883_laptop> almost 23 days without needing a reboot :( <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, yeah..figured there wasn't and superm1 is out in the woods or something <foxbuntu> the webserver is down <tgm4883_laptop> we put a call to imbrandon, but I guess he didn't answer <foxbuntu> oh <tgm4883_laptop> I guess his personal site is down too <foxbuntu> uh oh <tgm4883_laptop> so who knows what the problem is <foxbuntu> that sounds like bad news for us <tgm4883_laptop> it does sound like bad news. <foxbuntu> I wonder if the place imbrandon was 'hosting' them from knew about it <tgm4883_laptop> im pretty sure they did <foxbuntu> i sure hope so...otherwise we might be looking for a new host <tgm4883_laptop> i think it was a huge server farm that he had a machine in there <foxbuntu> yeah I heard that <tgm4883_laptop> in either case, we should have a mirror for if this happens <foxbuntu> indeed <foxbuntu> I know a great hosting service...but its a paid thing <tgm4883_laptop> do you know how much bandwidth the site uses in a month? <foxbuntu> idk <tgm4883_laptop> what host you talking about? <foxbuntu> but the hosting service I am thinking of allows 2TB a month if i remember correctly <tgm4883_laptop> the bad news is that some people are having trouble installing mythbuntu because of it <foxbuntu> oh no <foxbuntu> the repo's were on there too? <tgm4883_laptop> yea <foxbuntu> crap....I didnt know that <tgm4883_laptop> sites been down since yesterday <foxbuntu> yea,,,I noticed but I hadn't been able to get ahold of superm1 <foxbuntu> the scary thing about imbrandon being unreachable and the site going down on a Friday is that imbrandon might have been 'released' from his employer <tgm4883_laptop> lets hope not <foxbuntu> yea...no crap <tgm4883_laptop> :( 22:45:12 up 4 min, 2 users, load average: 0.03, 0.14, 0.07 <foxbuntu> lol...your backend? <tgm4883_laptop> yea <tgm4883_laptop> just had to reboot it <tgm4883_laptop> stupid cable company <foxbuntu> lol <foxbuntu> what happened with the cable that made you reboot? <tgm4883_laptop> they sent a software update that rebooted my STB <tgm4883_laptop> and when my STB reboots, it jumps nodes <foxbuntu> yuk...thats gay <foxbuntu> mine doesnt do that <tgm4883_laptop> actually, a reboot wont fix that either, it needs a shutdown <foxbuntu> although the last time they sent a software update one of my STB boxes died <tgm4883_laptop> thats no deal <tgm4883_laptop> WTF <foxbuntu> which reminds me...one of them is dead right now <foxbuntu> ?? <tgm4883_laptop> is launchpad down too? <foxbuntu> wow <foxbuntu> thats wild <foxbuntu> wtf is going on <tgm4883_laptop> I checked a few hours ago and they were updating and now this <foxbuntu> lol <foxbuntu> crap <foxbuntu> now my virtual machine is dead...I tried loading the current build from disk into a VM before I found out the repos are dead too <foxbuntu> man what a night <foxbuntu> just f'in figures <foxbuntu> my good car got egg'd by some punk kids Thursday night <foxbuntu> $1500 in damage to the paint <tgm4883_laptop> that sucks * tgm4883_laptop hates vandels <foxbuntu> I pretty much went off the handle on that one <foxbuntu> and by nice car...I mean its my 2003 Lexus IS 300 <foxbuntu> not my 1985 Chevy Pickup <foxbuntu> damn kids <billbrasky> anyone have any updates on mythbuntu.org ? <billbrasky> looks like http://mirror.cs.umn.edu is back tho <billbrasky> this is good <laga> superm1 is back, too <billbrasky> anyone know the correct codec location for mplayer ? <superm1> foxbuntu, foxxbuntu foxxxbuntu there? <tgm4883> hey superm1 <superm1> hey tgm4883 <tgm4883> how was the weekend? <superm1> well we got rained in, so "interesting" <superm1> waking up this morning <tgm4883> ah <superm1> the tent was kinda floating on water and mud <tgm4883> doesn't sound like much fun <superm1> well most of yesterday we played RISK <tgm4883> great game <superm1> my first time playing <superm1> i made the mistake of starting with ASIA <tgm4883> similiar here then, not much fu <superm1> ended up in second though (of 5 of us) <tgm4883> oh yea, dont start with asia <tgm4883> australaia or south america <superm1> haha well i was told that i made the best go that the guys i played with ever saw starting with asia <superm1> i held it all the way up until the last 3 turns <tgm4883> nice <tgm4883> too many attack points in asia <superm1> well see the thing is i made a peace treaty with america's edge and australia <superm1> so i only had to hold up across the european front and part of africa <superm1> and then when i was strong enough, overtook australia by surprise <tgm4883> good call, australia is good to have <superm1> yea held that until the last bout out <tgm4883> i always take australia first and work my way out. That or south america <tgm4883> did australia have 1 or 2 attack points? <superm1> well i think if i play with a new group of people i can easily pull off another start in asia, but since these people saw how that played out, i dont think they'd let me do this again <superm1> 1 <tgm4883> ah, good board <superm1> is there boards with 2? <tgm4883> theres a new board with more links between south america-australai, another link between north america and europe, and they add hawaii and link it to japan <superm1> oh wow <superm1> that would really mix things up <tgm4883> hey do i need to have an opengpg key for my chroot? <superm1> if your going to sign the packages yes <tgm4883> yea, it does. It takes some of the power away from australia <superm1> you can make it in a normal feisty account, and then copy to the chroot's /root <tgm4883> for such a small country, it has lots of power <tgm4883> can i use my already made key on this computer in feisty to gutsy chroot? <superm1> yes <tgm4883> sweet <tgm4883> i don't suppose you know whats going on with the site and imbrandon? <tgm4883> we've kinda been in the dark <superm1> see the advantage of having asia, is that i appeared to be such a small threat, everyone else duked it out with their battles with 40 or 50 men, while i just built up territory cards here and there waiting to drop them in <superm1> i heard about it on friday being down before i left <superm1> so i called imbrandon <superm1> and he was aware of it and working on it <tgm4883> ah <tgm4883> thats good to know <superm1> but my phone went dead (not to mention i didnt have reception) <superm1> so i didn't hear back from him even if he tried to call <superm1> it appears that other hosted projects of his are down too <superm1> ubuntu studio <superm1> is <tgm4883> yea we say his personal site was down too <superm1> ubuntu wire is <superm1> yea imbrandon.com is <superm1> so its not just us <tgm4883> yea once we noticed that we were starting to get worried <superm1> and considering he isn't on irc, i'm assuming he is normally on irssi on one of his hosted boxes via ssh <superm1> well i know we had tornado watches in effect this weekend by where we were camping (a little north west of des moines), so it's possible similar things were happening in missouri <laga> superm1: what's needed to get weekly builds of the svn packages? what were our plans? <superm1> laga, well once you've got the green light on that packaging, we need a debconf warning at the start of the install of mythtv-common <superm1> saying these are experimental blah blah <superm1> make sure to back up your database <tgm4883> arg, wheres the gpg key stored? <superm1> ~/.gpg i think <tgm4883> i hope not, cause then I will feel stupid <superm1> laga, then we can add those weekly builds to mythbuntu.org <superm1> ~/.gnupg <superm1> just copy the whole directory over * tgm4883 feels stupid <laga> superm1: k <tgm4883> its already there <superm1> tgm4883, clear out the one in the chroot and copy yours from the home directory <superm1> so you copy your private key <tgm4883> but my home directory in the chroot is just linked to my home directory <tgm4883> could that be the problem? Thats how it is setup <superm1> oh that's weird <tgm4883> it is? <superm1> i think <tgm4883> I followed the guide <superm1> well maybe its not <tgm4883> I get this gpg: skipped "tgm4883 <rodriguezcrystal@example.org>": secret key not available <superm1> well for now, just build it without signing then <superm1> debuild -uc -us <tgm4883_laptop> ok will do <tgm4883> any requests for the next unofficial plugin I should do? <tgm4883> i'm starting to wonder if some of these plugins even work anymore <superm1> tgm4883, which one did you do? <tgm4883> working on the recording extender, but some of these haven't been updated in years <tgm4883> theres only a few that appeal to me, so I would like to know what appeals to others <tgm4883> MRE, MythBurn (Discontinued for mytharchive, but allowed burning from mythweb), mythcollaboritive (command line only), mythcalandar (site hacked cant download, hasn't been updated since 04), mythappletrailers <superm1> whoops tgm4883 didn't see you responded <superm1> well mythburn i'd say no <tgm4883> thats ok, im used to talking to myself <superm1> because it is discountinued <laga> tgm4883: you wrote mythburn? <superm1> tgm4883, put my name in there so the channel beeps at me :) <tgm4883> out of the ones I listed, MRE looks ok, mythappletrailers needs some extra work for the package <tgm4883> laga, no, just looking at packaging <laga> ah <tgm4883> unofficial plugins <laga> mmaybe mythstream? <laga> or that mythapplytrailer thingy <superm1> myth stream would make sense <laga> i'm wondering if i should shove eskil's shoutcast patch in my trunk packages <laga> it's abit unstable, still <superm1> laga, shoutcast support in mythmusic? <tgm4883> oh yea, mythstream looks good <superm1> it will need some work to make it apply cleanly to mythweb i'd expect <superm1> but if you get it to work properly, that'd be awesome <tgm4883> mythstream? <laga> superm1: yes. <laga> superm1: mythstream or mythstreamtv? <superm1> oh didnt realize there was a difference <superm1> i guess i'm thinking of mythstreamtv? <laga> yes <superm1> the one that sets up an on the fly transcoder <superm1> for mythweb <foxbuntu> TVWish looks pretty cool, if it had frontend intergration <laga> superm1: such a thing is already in svn trunk <superm1> laga, that's right <superm1> with the gpl flash player <superm1> laga, any words on the re-encoding though for it since it needed a special ffmpeg <laga> superm1: it's currently dpeending ffmpeg.. if there'll be now transcoding support in the backend, it'll get dropped for the release <laga> superm1: "special ffmpeg"? just ffmpeg with mp3 support ;) <superm1> great <superm1> well special in the sense not standard ubuntu <superm1> haha <laga> :) <kikko_> Might be slightly offtopiv, but has anyone had experience with anything Geode GXLV based? What is it able to do media-wise? (233Mhz chip) <tgm4883> I like the concept behind mythappletrailers, but I think it should be a part of mythmovies <superm1> kikko_, is there any sort of hardware mpeg2 or mpeg4 decoder / accelerator on that box? <tgm4883> i would think that it may* be able to play dvd resolution stuff <kikko_> superm1, no, a thin client <laga> tgm4883: how does it work right now? <tgm4883> but this is only based on me vaguely remembering the windows recommended specs for dvd playback <tgm4883> laga, mythappletrailers or mythmovies? <superm1> kikko_, i would imagine it wouldn't be able to handle much - but u'd have to experiment with one. <kikko_> hmm, that's why I'm asking, I want it primarily to make noise 24/7, but if is capable of video It would be a nice bonus <laga> tgm4883: mythapplethingamajic <superm1> kikko_, to make noise 24/7? <tgm4883> superm1, music i assume <kikko_> music :] <superm1> hehe <superm1> i was gonna say: most htpc's people want quiet... <kikko_> :] <tgm4883> laga http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_Apple_Trailers <tgm4883> looks like it streams from apple servers <foxbuntu> tgm4883, appears that way to me too <foxbuntu> it just runs a cron job to update the links every 24 hours <laga> tgm4883: does it create regular menu entries? not too stupid <tgm4883> it would be nice if mythmovies would show trailers for the movies it lists <laga> hum <laga> $player_exec_cmd = '/usr/bin/mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -user-agent NSPlayer -cache 8192'; //mplayer command <laga> ^^ this should be mythtv :) <foxbuntu> it could be changed in the XML code pretty easy <laga> it can be changed in the settings <laga> i'll try it on my s100 now <foxbuntu> I could move the menu item from info center to media pretty easy <foxbuntu> any takers? <foxbuntu> :) <tgm4883> see, im not really sure how to package that either <foxbuntu> not a big deal really the way i see it...its just a simple patch that needs to be packaged....much like the lirc-generator superm1 and I ddi <kikko_> How realistic is smooth video playback across a network, using the thin client only as an X server? <foxbuntu> did* <tgm4883> same with mythwebrss <tgm4883> the thin client would still need to be able to play the video <kikko_> you mean video bandwith? <tgm4883> i mean if you can't locally play a video file thats 720x480, your not going to be able to do that over the network <tgm4883> it still depends on your system specs, your not offloading anything on the host computer <tgm4883> the best thing to do would be to test it out. If it is something your watching on ebay, then if you want it to play video I would pass <kikko_> meh, I guess I'll try, I listen to music way more anyway :] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, you have peaked my intrest in the mythappletrailers <tgm4883> foxbuntu, good to know, i'll let you look at that then while im working on packaging mythstream <foxbuntu> I am gonna play with it and see about moving the menu item into the logical spot of media library and then try to package it <laga> foxbuntu: i have already instaalled it :) <laga> foxbuntu: yes, please package it. <foxbuntu> how well does it work? <laga> dunno <laga> i have ywet to try it <laga> let's see <tgm4883> can you set the option from the frontend? <superm1> foxbuntu, if your going to start looking into packaging, i'll have to get you pointed here: <superm1> !packagingguide | foxbuntu <ubotu> foxbuntu: The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports <superm1> as well as <superm1> !revu | foxbuntu <ubotu> foxbuntu: REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU <tgm4883> and since it's an unofficial plugin, we should form a special elite team <tgm4883> I think we need uniforms <foxbuntu> yea...the "Nerd Herd" lol <tgm4883> and everyone uses black or silver for their uniforms <tgm4883> im leaning toward powder blue <foxbuntu> superm1, thanks...I will make sure to go through those while I work on this (my first) package <foxbuntu> tgm4883, if you come up with one let me know... <foxbuntu> in the mean time...I need artwork help <foxbuntu> :) <superm1> foxbuntu, i'll give it a look over once you've got things up <laga> it works great. <laga> yay <foxbuntu> superm1, sounds good <superm1> and give you pointers on what needs to be done to conform to policy <tgm4883> laga, can you adjust the options in the frontend for it? <tgm4883> otherwise it defaults to SD <laga> i just need to set up lirc for mplayer :( <laga> tgm4883: no you can't. you could do that via debconf.. <tgm4883> k <foxbuntu> alright...well I gtg for now...i am headed out to my folks place for a while..gonna take the lappy with though..I want to see about getting this packaged... <foxbuntu> superm1, is there a way to skip the package download part of the mythbuntu install without it crashing? <superm1> foxbuntu, dont have a web connection <superm1> plugged in <superm1> and it will skip it <foxbuntu> ok <superm1> on alpha 3 at least <foxbuntu> crap <foxbuntu> Im not sure if I can find my alpha 3 cd <superm1> well you can still download one from the mirror <foxbuntu> although the one i have says alpha 2...I have a feeling its that pre-release dl you sent me <superm1> on polorix.net <superm1> well its alpha 3 exactly <superm1> that supports it <superm1> the prerelease stuff does not <superm1> it was a very last minute thing <foxbuntu> oh <foxbuntu> you got a link on the mirror to grab that disk? <superm1> http://mirror.polorix.net/index.php?dir=Mythbuntu <foxbuntu> superm1, thanks...I
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