#kubuntu-council 2018-05-01
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> I'm now a licensed driver in the state of Wisconsin! \o/
<IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> god help that state
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> XD
#kubuntu-council 2018-05-02
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Upgraded to Cosmic last night. ð
<IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> @tsimonq2, LOL
<IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> FYI: https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/8g8wbn/kde_plasma_5125_bugfix_release_for_may/dybruyp/
<IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> Need to do a blog post later...
<IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> @tsimonq2 what? how?
<IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> the cosmic repos exist. if @tsimonq2 upgraded last night he would have got zero updates though, and system would have still said bionic
<IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> so he is teasing
<IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> uploads like base-files etc have only started today
<IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> and are still blocked from reaching -release
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @acheronuk, Nooooo. :P
<valorie> thanks for all those uploads, acheronuk
<valorie> updating now
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> By the way, I sent an Ubuntu-release email last night while directly CCing Rik and Valorie, but we're converting all seeds to Git in one week's time unless someone speaks up for their flavor.
<valorie> I"m pro-git but then I'm doing none of that work
<wxl> it's pretty trivial fwiw but i'm sure the devs can handle that
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Right.
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Flavors have to do nothing, but some people have weird workflows.
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Oh, and I heard they're working towards moving Launchpad itself to Git. \o/
<valorie> nice
<ricktimmis[m]> +1 on Git
<valorie> updates are working perfectly, acheronuk
<acheronuk> kool. I warned SRU team that they will be incoming for actual archive. I think maybe blog about both together when uploads are in -proposed for that so people can either (a) install from ppa if not a tester or (b) follow SRU validation guidelines to test from archive
<acheronuk> this evening a have a few visitors and am having a few drinks with them, so not going to try anything too technical :P
<valorie> I got the new shingles shot yesterday and am feeling .... almost sick
<valorie> might need a second cup of coffee
<acheronuk> valorie: urgh. my father got shingles, and I discovered via that I had not had chickenpox as a kid when I came out with that!
<acheronuk> not fun as an adult!
<valorie> I had shingles already *right next to my eye*
<valorie> never again, thankyouverymuch
<tsimonq2> What's that? O_o
<valorie> it is chickenpox virii that hide out in your nerves
<valorie> until they pounce
<valorie> horrible
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Oh jeez.
<valorie> if you google for it, you will get the shot like doublequick
<acheronuk> yeah. it lies dormant until when you are a bit older, and your immune system isn't as great as it once was, it comes back to bite
<valorie> it was so painful
<acheronuk> but as valorie says as shingles it can effect nerves, so nastier that just being spotty
<valorie> and in a few people, the swelling goes away but the pain stays
<acheronuk> yep. my father took a very long time to get rid of the pain
<valorie> fortunately mine was little
<valorie> my dad had a huge one, all around his waist
<valorie> so wearing pants was torture
<valorie> :(
<valorie> I think that was before they had a shot
#kubuntu-council 2018-05-03
<IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> @acheronuk, +1 I have no problems with this
<IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> Sorry, I know that is way old, Telegram  promoted me with an @
<IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> no problem. all done and dusted anyway
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Happy birthday Valorie. :)
<IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> (Photo, 1280x366) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/e68ttotC/file_6439.jpg @valorie you need to visit!
<IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> @tsimonq2, really? oooh. ð°
<IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> @ahoneybun, nice
<valorie> thank you!
<valorie> ahoneybun: if my son gets hired on at system76, that is for sure
<valorie> :-)
<valorie> you remember Thomas?
<ahoneybun> I heard about that.
<ahoneybun> I remember Thomas.
<tsimonq2> Oh yeaaaaah.
<tsimonq2> He applied?
<valorie> yes, right in front of you
<valorie> lol
<valorie> if you were sitting in the booth
<valorie> he'd be good for them IMO and they would be good for him
<valorie> we'll see
<IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> He applied?
<valorie> he gave Em his CV
<valorie> dunno if there is an application form or so
<IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> Ah got it.
<valorie> It would be great to have an excuse to visit Colorado again
<valorie> and I have some friends in Denver as well
<tsimonq2> I think I have some family in Denver.
<tsimonq2> iirc my dad's half brother has an uncle or something there.
<IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> You got a friend in Denver for sure valorie ;_
<valorie> :-)
<valorie> I mean, people besides YOU, silly!
<valorie> so ahoneybun, did I hear you are coming to SeaGL?
<valorie> now that I've recovered from LFNW
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Speaking of LFNW, I needed to take the day off of school today to just sleeeeeep all day. LFNW kicked my ass.
<tsimonq2> Especially with you morning people! lol
<IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> https://twitter.com/rikmills88/status/992134272038461441
<IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> ð
<IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> but we still don't know a cosmic 'what?' :/
<valorie> tsimonq2: I got a shingles shot on Monday so my ass was kicked as well
<valorie> better today
<IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> also http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1522
<IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> not the blog post I was hoping for!
<valorie> me either!
<valorie> CANIMAL is not cool enough
<acheronuk> I got excited when I saw my RSS ping a new blog entry from him!
<valorie> hopefully now that he's remembered where his blog is
<valorie> he'll use it!
<acheronuk> LOL
<tsimonq2> Steve Beattie is seriously awesome.
<tsimonq2> He found a bug in one of the patches for that kwallet-pam CVE.
<tsimonq2> Props to him.
 * valorie goes outside to get dirty and then go to bday dinner
<valorie> sequencing error, but whatcha gonna do?
#kubuntu-council 2018-05-04
<tsimonq2> I'll be away from a computer with no cell reception from Saturday morning to Sunday afternoon.
<acheronuk> With budgie and mate dropping i398 isos for 18.10, this brings it up for us again.
<acheronuk> *i386
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Funny enough, having a convo with Steve.
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> I'll send an email to ubuntu-release on Monday with some solid stats backing it up.
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> But the short of it is, I'd seriously consider dropping it.
<valorie> I dunno, the fact that others are dropping it makes me want it more
<valorie> plus we're finally getting testers
<valorie> even that one pair of guys at LFNW
<wxl> sounds like the upstream kernel is not supporting it for meltdown mitigations
<ahoneybun> valorie, I don't know yet. Let me get SELF under my belt lol. I saw our Sales guy looking at the talk so maybe it is one our roadmap to go to not sure yet.
<valorie> cool
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @ahoneybun, Tell Sri I say hi.
<tsimonq2> ahoneybun: Tell Sri I say hi.
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> grr IRC
<ahoneybun> He's not here right now.
#kubuntu-council 2018-05-06
<valorie> ok, enough of pounding my head against impenetrable mysteries
<valorie> instead I'll rake up cones and crap from the lawn
<valorie> :-)
#kubuntu-council 2018-05-07
<tsimonq2> valorie: How's the lawn looking?
<tsimonq2> Have any dandelions popped up? :)
<valorie> YES
<valorie> but they are gone as of now
<valorie> :-)
<tsimonq2> \o/
<valorie> the battle never ends
<tsimonq2> Did you count? ;P
<valorie> lol
<valorie> uh, I was mostly raking little branches and a million fir cones
<valorie> one wheelbarrow full
<valorie> the dandelions were a sideshow
<valorie> maybe 20
<tsimonq2> Hah.
<valorie> tricksy little plants, hiding under the grass
<tsimonq2> Well, how often do you mow?
<valorie> couple of times per week now
<valorie> until the rain stops and so does the grass
<tsimonq2> Ah.
<valorie> the warmer the nights, the faster it grows
<valorie> and with a human powered mower, you don't want to let it get long
<tsimonq2> Yes, you have that pesky rain problem in the Pacific NorthWest...
<tsimonq2> hehe, right.
<valorie> it's not a *problem*
<valorie> it's why it's so pretty here!
<tsimonq2> hehe
<IrcsomeBot1> <tsimonq2> https://nm.debian.org/process/485
<IrcsomeBot1> <tsimonq2> If no Debian Developer objects in the next 24 hours, I will be a Debian Maintainer.
<IrcsomeBot1> <tsimonq2> That means that any DD can grant me upload access to any package in the archive.
<IrcsomeBot1> <tsimonq2> With the exception of new packages.
<IrcsomeBot1> <acheronuk> https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php/73525-Enjoying-18-04?goto=newpost
<valorie> tsimonq2: which two DDs did you get to sign your key?
<IrcsomeBot1> <tsimonq2> @valorie, I got one DD to sign, noahm
<wxl> speaking of signing, we ever going to finish our keysigning, valorie ?
#kubuntu-council 2018-05-08
<IrcsomeBot1> <tsimonq2> OH wait wxl
<IrcsomeBot1> <tsimonq2> Noah signed your key too, right?
<wxl> HE TOTALLY DID OMGERD
<valorie> what do we need to finish?
<valorie> I know I wasn't paying attention
<valorie> at ALL
<valorie> but ?
<IrcsomeBot1> <tsimonq2> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/8hs3j0/who_controls_glibc/?utm_source=reddit-android
<IrcsomeBot1> <tsimonq2> Hmmmm
<valorie> interesting discussion
<IrcsomeBot1> <acheronuk> Cosmic Cuttlefish
<IrcsomeBot1> <ahoneybun> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1521
<wxl> that's gonna be one trippy shirt
<IrcsomeBot1> <tsimonq2> YES
<IrcsomeBot1> <tsimonq2> XD
<valorie> cuttlefish is one guess I had not heard
<valorie> ok, off to celebrate birthday with the fam
<valorie> leaving all the interesting conversations
#kubuntu-council 2018-05-10
<IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> https://news.softpedia.com/news/lubuntu-kubuntu-xubuntu-might-also-drop-support-for-new-32-bit-installations-521079.shtml
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Yep.
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> My proposal.
<valorie> :(
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> So you want to support it for the next five years?
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> I certainly done.
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> *don't
<valorie> with everyone else dropping it I'm feeling more like keeping it
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> I think it's the right move.
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Five years is a long time.
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> And as time goes on, we'll see less and less testers.
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> But we either get rid of it now, and support it for the next three years, or support it for the next five (to take it until 20.04) and perhaps seven for some issues.
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @acheronuk What are your thoughts on the matter?
<valorie> where does the 5 and 7 year figure come from?
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> We either remove it now or we have to take it all the way to 20.04.
<valorie> why?
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> And release 20.04 with i386.
<valorie> again, why?
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Because we can't abandon users on an unsupported upgrade path.
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> If they upgrade to 19.04 and we decide to do it then, for example, they're stuck.
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> They have to reinstall the LTS to get any support.
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> This is the perfect time go to through with this.
<valorie> ah, got it
<valorie> well, please propose this to the Council
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Five for our support, seven for general community support (still my department), by the way.
<valorie> this is a huge move, imo
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> I will. But it's either all or nothing.
<valorie> I know that it is harder for ME to get testers
<valorie> how much extra work is it for you?
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> And either way, @acheronuk and myself know how much work it actually takes. So in my opinion, it should be a vote of the active Kubuntu Ninjas.
<valorie> acheronuk: how much work for you?
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @valorie, You have to have testing validation for i386 to convert your bases for SRUs. â¦ Plus, with autopkgtests erratically failing sometimes, it is a PITA to maintain any extra arch.
<valorie> ah
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Argh, cover your bases I mean.
<valorie> all your bases
<valorie> lol
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> lol
<valorie> there ya go
<valorie> it's a bit threadbare by now, that meme
<acheronuk> I would like to follow suit and drop it :(
<valorie> I think I'm in the minority, and I will follow the majority
<acheronuk> we could probably squeeze out another release, but at some point I fear we would come unstuck. as remarked, the LTS is the right time to cut it off if we are going to
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Right.
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @acheronuk: Do you think it's worth sparking a discussion, or should we JFDI?
<valorie> we at least have to announce
<valorie> I've spent a lot of time in the past year or so getting testers
<acheronuk> valorie: that is very much appreciated, and will still be needed for 18.04 point releases
<valorie> true that
<valorie> that makes me feel less like I'm letting people down
<IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> @tsimonq2, will discussion solve the issues with i386?
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @acheronuk, No. But I don't want some people to throw a fit.
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Dubnom
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Grrrrrr
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> *Dunno
<IrcsomeBot> * tsimonq2 relies heavily on autocorrect...
<valorie> some will throw a fit, no matter what
<valorie> better to be up-front about the issues
<acheronuk> who will throw a fit?
<IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> @tsimonq2 any response form xubuntu?
<valorie> someone will, because FOSS
<valorie> probably someone who has never done one lick of work
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @valorie, Yeah.
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @acheronuk, Not yet, just asked.
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> By the way, I'm now officially a member of the Ubuntu Developer Membership Board.
<valorie> congratulations, tsimonq2
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Thanks!
<IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> Yes, I was shocked how good Kubuntu is. Gnome looks nice but the lack of configurability is a show stopper for many power users.
<IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> @ahoneybun, twitter? or somewher else?
<IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> hackernews about the switch to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04
<valorie> ahoneybun: so why did popOS go with gnome?
<valorie> they wanted lack of configurability for simplification?
<wxl> i think because what's-his-name is tight with the gnome folks
<IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> who?
<IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> @valorie, Because GNOME is cool?
<valorie> um
<valorie> no
<valorie> lol
<wxl> dang aaron you're right at the top of the about us
<wxl> also the ian-caught-in-the-headlights pic is pretty rad
<IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> I think it is because of my name or something.
<IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> aa brings me at the top of a lot of things.
<wxl> s/what's-his-name/sriram/
<IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> valorie I do think GNOME is cool
<wxl> (who's NOT on the about us oddly)
<IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> wxl you'll see Sri is not on the about us any more.
<wxl> does that mean what i think it does? :(
<valorie> well, that's good since you have to support it
<IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> his position was removed so yea sadly.
<wxl> oh man that's terrible
<valorie> bool
<valorie> -l
<wxl> NEVER REMOVE COMMUNITY MANAGERS
<wxl> that's the first rule of open source
<IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> Well his position before he was removed was not Community Manager.
<valorie> ok, I posted on softpedia
<valorie> tsimonq2: please forward your email to ubuntu-devel to the k-deve and user lists
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @valorie, Link to Softpedia?
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @valorie, Which email specifically? Link?
<valorie> the announcement or whatever seems appropriate
<valorie> I'm working on a dot story right now, but I promise to engage on the list and support the decision
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> About i386 you mean?
<valorie> yes
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Ah. Right. OK.
<IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> @tsimonq2 is there a way to get my email sent to the list about the new installer mark wants to make?
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @ahoneybun, Why are you asking me? ;) â¦ I'd ask in #ubuntu-devel. Maybe cjwatson.
<IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> Because I'm not using IRC right now.
<IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> personally they should use either Calamares or the new Elementary/Pop OS installer.
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @ahoneybun, They won't use Calamares because that's not GTK.
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> The new Pop installer would be coooool
<IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> It's Vala and Rust so.
<IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> It's cool automatically.
<acheronuk> valorie: what are you writing, where?
<acheronuk> tsimonq2: same to you
 * wxl answers for valorie: "words, here"
<valorie> acheronuk: trying to make the Dot story about welcoming GSoC students finally get published
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @acheronuk, Nothing yet. I'm enjoying beef roast and mashed potatoes.
<valorie> about killed myself finishing it a week ago, but there it sits
<acheronuk> valorie: oh, so not about i386. I misread
<valorie> well, since Simon is pushing this, he should announce unless you want to
<valorie> and I will be supportive in spite of my sadness
<wxl> kubuntu's officially joining the massacre of innocent 32 bit kittens/
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Can we pleaaaaase be official with Lubuntu too?
<valorie> wxl: way to make me feel worse
<valorie> poor dead kittens
<valorie> lol
<wxl> blame cjwatson for making me less likely to say yes @tsimonq2
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> ^_^
<tsimonq2> valorie, acheronuk: #ubuntu-flavors is now a thing.
<valorie> there
#kubuntu-council 2018-05-11
<MichaelTunnell> would Kubuntu be interested in being a ".Org Sponsor" for South East Linux Fest (SELF) for only $50. http://www.southeastlinuxfest.org/?page_id=54 || http://www.southeastlinuxfest.org/pdfs/SELF-2018-Prospectus.pdf
<MichaelTunnell> it would be cool in general to support a Linux Fest but also they will put Kubuntu on the website and promote on social media.
<tsimonq2> That would be sweeeeeeeeeeet.
<valorie> woot, MichaelTunnell is here!
<MichaelTunnell> :D
<valorie> tsimonq2: are you interested in going to SELF?
<MichaelTunnell> the only caveat is the table allocation as we wouldn't have anyone to attend it
<tsimonq2> valorie: Flight and hotel are already booked...
<valorie> !
<tsimonq2> MONTHS ago. :)
<tsimonq2> I'm already going to SELF.
<tsimonq2> And MichaelTunnell knows this. :P
<valorie> would you have time or energy to do a table though
<MichaelTunnell> indeed
<tsimonq2> mhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
<tsimonq2> dunno
<valorie> is there anyone else we could rope into helping?
<tsimonq2> Aaron will be there.
<valorie> right, but he'll be super-busy
<valorie> and working
<MichaelTunnell> we could possibly do it without a table. I dont know but we could ask
<MichaelTunnell> the promotion Kubuntu could do about sponsoring and the promotion from the fest about Kubuntu could be beneficial regardless
<valorie> sure
<valorie> I would have no problem spending the money personally
<valorie> I'm going to contact them now to ask how to just send the money personally on behalf of Kubuntu
<MichaelTunnell> sounds good and also talk to them about the table issue
<valorie> yes, mentioning that
<IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> valorie I'm going on my own so I won't man the system76 booth if there is one.
<IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> BTW I approve of the funds to send to SELF from the Kubuntu funds.
<IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> @MichaelTunnell, +1 We should do that
<valorie> ahoneybun: ah!
<valorie> so are you interested in tabling?
<valorie> I can send the last of my stickers
<valorie> we should buy some more
<acheronuk> we have sticker?
<acheronuk> s
<valorie> I bought stickers last year and offered to send them to anyone who wanted some
<valorie> hmm, maybe two years ago
<valorie> I sent some to genii I think
<valorie> and..... dunno
<valorie> ovidiu maybe
<valorie> the rest I've given away at fests
<acheronuk> hmmm. now I have a vague memory......
<valorie> well, they just live in the closet most of the time
<valorie> lol
<IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> valorie I could help out when needed.
<valorie> so to catch you up, I've enquired as to how to pay for org sponsorship which gets us a place in the program
<valorie> it also gets us a table but I said we probably wouldn't need one
<valorie> but I can change my mind I suppose
<valorie> MichaelTunnell will be there, and so will tsimonq2
<valorie> I suppose we could get a couple of conf.packs from Ubuntu
<valorie> it's up to those of you who are going
<tsimonq2> I'd rather not.
<valorie> it does pin you down
<valorie> and otoh gaves you a base
<IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> @tsimonq2 rather not what?
<IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> valorie it may be a good idea to have one maybe? I mean with 3 people we can rotate around well enough.
<valorie> between the three of you decide, and I'll see if they responded to me
<MichaelTunnell> I can't promise any time unfortunately. I am doing a talk on Saturday, helping Noah with Ask Noah Show sometime Saturday, potentially recording another a podcast or 2 on Sunday, potentially getting content for my channel. I can help out occasionally when applicable but unfortunately I wouldn't be available most of the time.
<valorie> unless another kubuntu-ite is attending, sounds like not enough people
<IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> valorie just send some kubuntu stickers and shirts then lol
<valorie> shirts?
<valorie> the only kubuntu shirt I had, I gave to Scarlett
<valorie> oh, I take that back
<valorie> I have a buttondown
<valorie> which.... I didn't even wear at LFNW, boo me
<valorie> I can send you some stickers aaron if you will share them
<valorie> I think tsimonq2 didn't take any with him
<MichaelTunnell> if you send stickers to ahoneybun then he can give me some to give out as well :)
<IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> Yes this is true.
<valorie> exactly, MichaelTunnell
<valorie> I'll dig them out of the closet in a bit and see how many are left
<valorie> I'm find with sending them all and then re-ordering before SeaGL
<IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> Sounds like a plan valorie.
#kubuntu-council 2018-05-12
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @ahoneybun, I don't want to do a booth if I'll be the only one there.
<IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> Of course.
<valorie> I've done a table by myself and it is not very much fun
<valorie> and actually not that effective
#kubuntu-council 2018-05-14
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> https://twitter.com/LubuntuOfficial/status/995860510653534209
#kubuntu-council 2018-05-15
<tsimonq2> Hey Kubuntu Council.
<tsimonq2> Aaron and Walter know about this already, but tomorrow the Ubuntu Membership Board will announce an adjustment to Ubuntu Membership procedures; expired Ubuntu Members have one year and Ubuntu Members who left the team have one month to email the UMB, or they have to answer a short list of questions to be an Ubuntu Member again.
<tsimonq2> (Well, maybe not Aaron.)
<tsimonq2> Here's the long form of it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Rejoining
<tsimonq2> I would strongly suggest that the Kubuntu Council adopt this for Kubuntu Membership; we're leaving it up to managers of delegated teams to decide what to do here.
<valorie> would you please write to the Council list about it, tsimonq2?
<valorie> and /me pokes again about the i386 email
<tsimonq2> Sure, once the official email goes out tomorrow.
<tsimonq2> And yeah, sorry.
<valorie> it sounds reasonable to me
<tsimonq2> OK.
<tsimonq2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-community-team/2018-May/001574.html
<tsimonq2> valorie: As promised, sent to the KC list.
<tsimonq2> https://lists.launchpad.net/kubuntu-council/msg00288.html
<valorie> thank you -- what I'm really waiting for is your email about dropping i386
#kubuntu-council 2018-05-21
<IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> https://twitter.com/kubuntu/status/998588749327032325
<valorie> thank you acheronuk!
<valorie> and you covered the lists as well; so thorough!
<valorie> well done sire
<valorie> -e
<acheronuk> lmao at the -e
<valorie> I do love you, but will not BOW BEFORE YOU
<valorie> lol
<valorie> getting my testing laptop updated so I can do the testing
<valorie> since you are still about, rik, is there any reason I shouldn't ignore your cautions and just apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade?
<valorie> acheronuk: ^^
<acheronuk> depends what else is in the -proposed pocket. you can try, and see what it says it will upgrade, then decide if anything looks scary
<valorie> ok
<valorie> hmmm, new linux headers
<valorie> scary, or un-scary?
<valorie> 4.15.0-21
<valorie> I think I'll chicken out and just do plasma and plasma-discover
<IrcsomeBot> <Valoriez> @acheronuk when you look: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-desktop/+bug/1768245/comments/33
<IrcsomeBot> <Valoriez> I'll add anything you want tomorrow
#kubuntu-council 2018-05-22
<valorie> acheronuk: https://community.ubuntu.com/t/official-policy-for-adding-daemons-to-desktop-common/6086?u=tsimonq2
<valorie> thoughts?
<IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> fine by me
<valorie> cool, I'll comment
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> *kool
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> lol
<valorie> you did, that's fine
<valorie> "posts are required to be at least 20 characters"
<valorie> sheesh
#kubuntu-council 2018-05-25
<IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php/73666-You-made-my-linux-year
<IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> *high fives* @acheronuk
#kubuntu-council 2018-05-30
<IrcsomeBot1> <acheronuk> "The membership of Scarlett Gately Clark (sgclark) in the Kubuntu Members (kubuntu-members) team has expired."
<IrcsomeBot1> <ahoneybun> @acheronuk ?
<IrcsomeBot1> <acheronuk> @ahoneybun?
<IrcsomeBot1> <ahoneybun> Did anyone reach out to her?
<IrcsomeBot1> <acheronuk> @ahoneybun, she is still on vacation AFAIK, and not easily reachable
<IrcsomeBot1> <acheronuk> I will as soon as I see her pop up. or wroite an email anyway, which I have not had time to get on to
<IrcsomeBot1> <ahoneybun> Ah
<IrcsomeBot1> <ahoneybun> I can do it if you don't get to iit first. I'll write an email during lunch.
<IrcsomeBot1> <ahoneybun> (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/fbXKd0wt/file_7446.jpg
<IrcsomeBot1> <acheronuk> @ahoneybun, soooooooooooooooo much more to come ;)
<IrcsomeBot1> <ahoneybun> oh?
<IrcsomeBot1> <acheronuk> @ahoneybun, if you like. Wednesdays are often a bit tied up for me.
<IrcsomeBot1> <ahoneybun> I don't mind
<IrcsomeBot1> <acheronuk> @ahoneybun, new Qt. new plasma. new *things
<IrcsomeBot1> <ahoneybun> things?
<IrcsomeBot1> <acheronuk> kde/qt devs keep making new stuff
<IrcsomeBot1> <ahoneybun> Right. New KDE Connect too.
<IrcsomeBot1> <acheronuk> e.g. https://cgit.kde.org/plasma-pk-updates.git/
<IrcsomeBot1> <acheronuk> @ahoneybun, yep
<IrcsomeBot1> <ahoneybun> PackageKit?
<IrcsomeBot1> <acheronuk> @ahoneybun, discover already uses packgekit's apt backend to do it's stuff, so we already use it that way
<IrcsomeBot1> <ahoneybun> Yes I know.
<IrcsomeBot1> <ahoneybun> Email sent a few hours ago @acheronuk
#kubuntu-council 2020-05-01
<IrcsomeBot> <RikMills> https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/kubuntu-focal.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
<valorie> wow, he struggled to find anything to throw shade about
#kubuntu-council 2020-05-02
<IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> Ooo, that's a very good review from Dedoimedo, we've got to be happy with that ð¥°
#kubuntu-council 2020-05-03
<IrcsomeBot> <RikMills> Ubuntu Studio 20.10 daily ISO now uses Plasma
<IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> Oh boy, does it that is great news, I use US on another laptop for Music, its great, love the fact its moved to Plasma ð
#kubuntu-council 2020-05-04
<keithzg[m]> Very cool news :)
#kubuntu-council 2020-05-07
<IrcsomeBot1> <Sick_Rimmit> Hi KC, can anyone with access to our Twitter account please retweet this. â¦ https://twitter.com/KubuntuF/status/1258139722276319233?s=20
<IrcsomeBot1> <RikMills> done
<valorie> @Sick_Rimmit dang it man, how is it you have no access to Twitter?
<valorie> do you want it?
<valorie> if so will PM you the password
<IrcsomeBot1> <Sick_Rimmit> That would be very helpful ð¥°
<valorie> got it?
<valorie> in tg
<IrcsomeBot1> <ahoneybun> I'm guessing that was Rick?
<valorie> @ahoneybun what was rik?
<IrcsomeBot1> <ahoneybun> A new login into twitter.
<valorie> aha
<IrcsomeBot1> <Sick_Rimmit> It's me ð
<valorie> Rik rt'd the kfocus tweet
<valorie> and @Sick_Rimmit now has access
<valorie> dunno why not before
<valorie> we should be a bit more active than we have been
<IrcsomeBot1> <Sick_Rimmit> Alright, I'll try to engage a bit in tweetiverse
<valorie> cool
<valorie> images are powerful, even if just screenshots
<valorie> and the spinning gear always gets lots of rts
#kubuntu-council 2020-05-08
<IrcsomeBot1> <Sick_Rimmit> (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/UfHrpVd2/file_29125.pdf
<IrcsomeBot1> <Sick_Rimmit> Hi KC, press release targeting business, sci/tech enterprise.
#kubuntu-council 2020-05-18
<RikMills> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2020-May/011840.html
#kubuntu-council 2020-05-19
<valorie> RikMills: thanks for the notice
<valorie> I think that the kde CI is dying as well
<valorie> perhaps to be brought back on gitlab
<valorie> we could think about following them there if it works out
<valorie> phab will be phased out as well. so it might be a good time to try it out
<keithzg[m]> Eww Gitlab (Phab in fact had better CI stuff than Gitlab, too)
<keithzg[m]> I mean the Gitlab CI stuff may well be better than it was back when I settled on Jenkins for work, but it certainly didn't impress me at the time!
<valorie> since I"m not packaging I don't think my opinion is worth two cents, but I do think we need to discuss it on the the devel list
<valorie> rn listening to a webinar tho
<keithzg[m]> Ja, my only real direct informed opinion on options alas is that Jenkins is alright, heh, which I imagine everyone already knows. And it's pretty heavy compared to many things, being Java-based.
<IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> Does anyone know if KDE's GitLab instance is self hosted, or is it provided by GitLab themselves ?
<valorie> provided by GL
<valorie> it's the free version, but they are making free some features that have been paid-only
<valorie> of course we keep asking for MOAR
<IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> OK, Would Kubuntu count as part of KDE ? Do we know whom we should talk to ? What is MOAR ?
<keithzg[m]> valorie: Huh, I thought it was self hosted, particularly because if I'm logged in I see at https://invent.kde.org/help the version cited is 12.10.4 and there's apparently an update available, which I would not have expected from GitLab themselves hosting it.
<IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> Oooo let me go look
<valorie> as I recall, the update *just* became available, and they just did the move this weekend
<valorie> trying to get All The Things working still
<keithzg[m]> I mean I'm seeing that literally now, is what I mean heh
<valorie> they probably will not apply the updates until things are more settled, is what I mean
<valorie> there was too much happening this weekend to truly keep up on everything
<keithzg[m]> Yeah, fair, the current version 12.10.6 was only released on the 15th, which is pretty new. Tho I would expect from a minor point that it'd be completely non-breaking (unlike apparently 13.x)
<keithzg[m]> But of course, things rarely go as smoothly as they should in theory . . .
<valorie> so far, goodish
<IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> Alright!! I'm logged in with my KDE Identity, Sweet ð
<valorie> of course it's not all done
<valorie> but one major part is
<valorie> it's not the most fun to keep up with because i'm rather ignorant of many parts of it
<keithzg[m]> Huh, posted the link to the mailing list to the Fediverse (lots of technical-minded people out there) and saw some follow requests pending . . . but it's not a private account so they shouldn't have had to send requests! Maybe mastodon.technology is gating librem.one requests that way though, some remnant of the minor scandal of librem.one's launch, heh.
<IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> There are a few Kubuntu tools listed, but no Kubuntu Project. https://invent.kde.org/explore/projects?utf8=%E2%9C%93&name=kubuntu&sort=latest_activity_desc
<valorie> we didn't ask to be moved, and most of what has been moved was code
<valorie> and we have no code there but those bits that neon uses
<keithzg[m]> I see Neon is a "team" there (https://invent.kde.org/teams), maybe it would make sense if Kubuntu was a "team" too? Although no other distros are, so maybe that's kindof crossing wires.
<IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> Well I think this is all rather cool. I've got a few ideas, but I need to do a little background work first. I'll draft my plans and post them to kubuntu-devel
<valorie> neon still says that they are a project, not a distro
<valorie> but that does not mean we can't use gitlab
<valorie> or self-host phab, as lubuntu does
<valorie> or pitch in with lubuntu and their ci
<valorie> I assume erich of ubuntu-studio might like pitching in there as well
<keithzg[m]> I'm such a big fan of self-hosting Phab I do it personally! But I know my pro-Phabricator stance is far from universal ;)
<IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> I'm more of a fan on integration, rather than separation. I think this an opportunity to get closer to the KDE project.
<valorie> tsimonq2 likes it too
<keithzg[m]> Pooling together resources of the flavours makes a lot of sense.
<valorie> I agree
<valorie> and I think tsimonq2's boss has offered hosting
<valorie> which may be what lub. is using
<keithzg[m]> Ah, that's good. Yeah I quipped above about Jenkins being fairly heavy, but of course the main thing is any build system is gonna be far from lightweight, what with the having to build software part of it all! So hosting being provided is a pretty key consideration . . .
<keithzg[m]> I see Lubuntu seems to use Jenkins.
<IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> I've used both tools professionally, they're different but I like them both for different reasons, so I'm not too worried about the tooling.
<keithzg[m]> (Jenkins for building, soft-integrated with Phabricator for issues and code hosting is how I do things at work, which seems to be how Lubuntu is doing it, nice)
<valorie> RikMills is doing the heavy lifting, so I would rely on his opinion most
<valorie> but there are all kinds of changes happening
<valorie> so we need to move with the times
<IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> I know many folks have dreamed about rebuilding/updating Kubuntu CI toolchain, and I think as Rik says on the mailing list the CI maintenance is overdue.
<valorie> and we should decide whether to move our Phab stuff or let it die
<valorie> yep
<keithzg[m]> Yeah old Ruby scripts kept limping along, sounds like.
<valorie> aha, sitters work
<IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> We'll I'm ready, willing, to get my sleeves rolled up and try to help RikMills in the lift, as much as I can.
<keithzg[m]> Which is another thing that eerily parallels my dayjob, hah (although the last of those is recently gone).
<valorie> cool!
<keithzg[m]> I can definitely try to help too---particularly if it's Jenkins that is gone over to for the CI side of things, since I've had to wade into that a lot! (I'm sure this is broadly true of other CI systems, but it's nice that in Jenkins you can define jobs in scripts stored in Git, and then just point Jenkins towards a repo.)
 * keithzg[m] is also quite willing to fire up a Digital Ocean VM or three if folks want to test out systems for potential self-hosting so to speak . . . already run a lot of personal services quite foolishly ;)
<valorie> awesome to see y'all step up
<IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> I reckon that DO VM's would really help us, see what Rik says when he catches this thread. Kubuntu have ByteMark and Linode but that hosting is inproduction right now, so we can't mess with it. Being able to have a few breakable toys on DO might be very useful.
<IrcsomeBot> <RikMills> Going to give some config to Simon soonish so that he can set up a test instance using the Lubuntu CI tooling
<IrcsomeBot> <RikMills> (Photo, 1280x722) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/U0eOfhA0/file_29959.jpg
<valorie> wow, I'm a bit jealous
<valorie> I wonder if I should upgrade my travel lappy
<valorie> since it's basically unused otherwise rn
<RikMills> valorie: not really installable yet. that VM had to used proposed and a ppa
<valorie> I only ran proposed once, and that was *interesting*
<valorie> probably in 18.10 days
<valorie> I've noticed that things are pretty damn stable right after an LTS
<mparillo> My VMs with GG and 20.04+Proposed seem pretty stable to me.
#kubuntu-council 2020-05-20
<IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> I took a look at KDE GitLab, and it looks very nice. Are KDE going to end of life phabricator? Should we move?
<valorie> they will archive it soon, unless teams opt to have it ported over
<valorie> I think we need to have a discussion on the -devel ML and maybe a meeting on BBB or so
#kubuntu-council 2020-05-24
<IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> Let me take that forward, @Valoriez I'll get it organised
<IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> @PollBot help
<IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> Hmmm
<IrcsomeBot> <RikMills> Simon has offered to set up a test CI using Lubuntu's python tooling. Santa also did some preliminary work on a CI some time back, and I think is going to see where those efforts might be able to go. I would suggest a meeting sometime at the start of next month?
<IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> The move to Kubuntu CI sounds really promising, and I know Santa, and others have wanted to get it using python. I trust you're a support of this strategy @RikMills ? I am happy to go that direction, sounds efficient and resilient
<IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> I mean Lubuntu
<IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> Sorry typo
<IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> I was thinking more of the stuff we have in Phab, like project board, wiki etc...
<IrcsomeBot> <RikMills> @Sick_Rimmit, It is the most developed and immediate option, for sure.
<IrcsomeBot> <RikMills> @Sick_Rimmit, Right!
<IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> Is it running in Jenkins ?
<IrcsomeBot> <RikMills> @Sick_Rimmit, https://ci.lubuntu.me/
<IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> Ooo lovely I'll go take a look
<IrcsomeBot> <RikMills> https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/ci-tooling/
<IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> Aww this stuff looks sweet ð¥° just reading 'jobsconfigurator.py' looks great, really nice commenting.
#kubuntu-council 2020-05-25
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @RikMills Do you have a list of packages somewhere that I could use for a base?
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> I'd like to spin up a container on the Lubuntu infra to give this a shit
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> *shot
<valorie> nice to hear that @tsimonq2 gives a sh*t
<valorie> :-)
<IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Bahahahahaha
<valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} btw
<tsimonq2> Thanks valorie :)
<IrcsomeBot> <RikMills> @tsimonq2, Urgh. Not tonight. Tomorrow. ð
<tsimonq2> No worries @RikMills, let me know.

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