#ubuntu-beginners 2010-09-01 <bobo123> kosaidpo: it didn't work with the startprogram-dialogbox in the System-settings menu? <kosaidpo> bobo123: its ok im gettin it now <kosaidpo> tnx <bobo123> ok <kosaidpo> : D <Tempus_Fugit> does anyone know if there is a specific channel for bash and shell commands <Tempus_Fugit> ok i mean terminal and shell commands ...my bad <aveilleux> Tempu-- DANGIT <ClassicWizzard> hello?? <stlsaint> ClassicWizzard: hello <ClassicWizzard> oh yah! the pidgeon has taken flight <ClassicWizzard> I have no clue what I am doing <stlsaint> ClassicWizzard: thats cool..you made it here so thats a good start <ClassicWizzard> not sure how i got here... didn't enter half the passwords .... feel a bit clueless <ClassicWizzard> I am running it under windows... <ClassicWizzard> can I ask ubuntu questions here?? <stlsaint> ClassicWizzard: heck yea man fire away <ClassicWizzard> well, I have V8 installed... but I had to reinstall windows XP. It blew away the grub thing. I gave up on linux for a while but want to go back at it again. I made the V10 ISO but I am not sure how to install it over the V8. I can't boot to the V8 because of the XP install. <zkriesse> just stick the disk in <zkriesse> Erase the partition if you don't want to keep anything <zkriesse> but thats all I can say <zkriesse> must eat dinner <zkriesse> HUNGRY! <ClassicWizzard> i did, it gives me 3 options: erase the whole disk... install alongside V8 and XP, and custom. I tried custom but it gives me a "root" error/not identified.. or soemthing <ClassicWizzard> I have 4 linux partitions medium one, real small one, ext3 (small) and ext4 <ClassicWizzard> the ext4 is large <ClassicWizzard> the first one is the boot one but it is like the CD doesn't recognize the /root <aveilleux> ClassicWizzard: /root is the user, root's home directory... Do you mean the CD isn't recognizing the partition's root directory? <ClassicWizzard> i think so... i went to custom... saw the partitions... I don't need to change them... so I said "forward" and it gave me the error. <aveilleux> ClassicWizzard: What are you trying to do, install Ubuntu? <ClassicWizzard> yes, V10 over an existing V8 <aveilleux> I assume you mean 10.04 over 8.04 <ClassicWizzard> yes, both are LTS versions <aveilleux> ClassicWizzard: So you're updating? Hm. What error are you being given? <aveilleux> ClassicWizzard: No need to PM me. So you're doing a clean install? <ClassicWizzard> sorry, don't know this tool at all <haywire> ClassicWizzard, If you don't care about any files in your old version, it might be just as simple to run Gparted, and delete the partition where 8.04 is currently, and re-create it. The good news is that since Windoze(r) was installed first, it will not bulldoze over your Grub this time.. <ClassicWizzard> well, yah, i could do a clean install <aveilleux> ClassicWizzard: So, can you run it by me again? You installed Windows, and now you're trying to install 10.04 over it, or..? <ClassicWizzard> yah, over v8 <aveilleux> ClassicWizzard: So, no. You have 8.04 installed on one partition, and Xp installed on another. Now you're trying to install 10.04 over the 8.04, but leave XP alone? <ClassicWizzard> that is correct <aveilleux> ClassicWizzard: So, what error are you being given again? The exact wording (or as close as you can), please <ClassicWizzard> I didn't re-partition, since I didn't need to... when I hit the "forward" button it said it couldn't find the root directory or something. <aveilleux> ClassicWizzard: You have to select one partition for use as the root directory. <aveilleux> ClassicWizzard: You can't just hit "next", you have to select at least one partition <ClassicWizzard> well, i want to use the V8 one... and I couldn't find where I selected it <aveilleux> ClassicWizzard: Can you rephrase that please? <ClassicWizzard> in fact the reformat boxes were greyed out <ClassicWizzard> well, version 8 has the / directory <ClassicWizzard> I want version 10 to use the same one <aveilleux> ClassicWizzard: Well, coming from a different perspective <aveilleux> ClassicWizzard: Have you tried installing GRUB onto the drive, then booting into 8.04 and upgrading? <aveilleux> ClassicWizzard: You can do a dist-upgrade <ClassicWizzard> I was thinking about that.... but after reading the grub fix documentation I decided that I would never get that right <ClassicWizzard> it starts with running V10 then trying to figure out what version of grub I used before <ClassicWizzard> it was pretty complicated <aveilleux> ClassicWizzard: It's not hard, just boot into the LiveCD and then run sudo grub-install /dev/<name of hard drive> <ClassicWizzard> you have to know the drive partition number and some other stuff <aveilleux> ClassicWizzard: Well, what partition is Ubuntu installed onto? /dev/sda1,2,3? <ClassicWizzard> it doesn't say... it is in the second logical partition <ClassicWizzard> I have an NTFS (XP) and then the rest is linux <ClassicWizzard> I have the root (125Gig) a real small partition (forget what that is for) .ext3 which is small, then a ext4 for files <aveilleux> ClassicWizzard: Um, can you look at the drive in GParted? It should tell you what filesystem is is, as well as the partition number. <ClassicWizzard> gparted runs in windows? <aveilleux> ClassicWizzard: No, it's on the LiveCD. <ClassicWizzard> I gave up on the live cd when I couldnt get the IRC chat client to work <ClassicWizzard> it wanted to use somethign like mimibit or something <ClassicWizzard> it got on but it was like I was the only person on <aveilleux> ClassicWizzard: Are you sure you entered the room information correctly? Any misspelling would result in an empty room. <haywire> ClassicWizzard, check out the video by NixiePixel over on Youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtBBl6HvdpM&p=7EF60DF0E207125C&playnext=1&index=2 You might be able to reinstall GRUB and get your 8.04 back without deleting anything. <ClassicWizzard> I clicked on it from the ubuntu web site... it asks for an application, offers mimibits (or something like that) .. freenode fails the first time then the second time you are in ghost town <ClassicWizzard> ok, i'll watch it then be back after... thanks <haywire> ClassicWizzard, I ran into the same problem - it only happens when Windows is installed AFTER linux. It takes over the MBR. If windows is there first, and you resize and create a partition for linux, etc. - Grub works properly, but there is a way to regain GRUB's control over the MBR - see the vid... <aveilleux> ClassicWizzard: I find text guides are better ;-) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows <haywire> aveilleux, I agree... I am a newbie myself, and if there is a 50/50 chance of something going wrong, guess which end of it I usually end up on ;-) <aveilleux> haywire: There's a 99% chance anything you need to know is covered in the Ubuntu community docs <ClassicWizzard> I will backup my XP then try to re-grub my version 8 <ClassicWizzard> the nixie~chick has inspired me <haywire> I am finding that out... Linux support = great, and growing :-) Linux OS - Very Stable and Desirable... Linux apps. Very acceptable (to me)... Linux supported hardware :-( <ClassicWizzard> thanks for the help <haywire> NixiePixel is not hard to look at either, and SMART! <ClassicWizzard> yah <ClassicWizzard> lol <ClassicWizzard> well, ubuntu for gamers might not be the trick but for basic computer users it is good and I really want to conquer it better the second time <aveilleux> ClassicWizzard: Well hey, Source games work fine through WINE, and that's all I care about really <ClassicWizzard> I get excited about linux but then when I get stuck I feel stupid compared to windows.... it is just something I need to conquer <haywire> I have one machine with an unsupported video card (yuck) and an HP All in One 5610xi printer that is on a windows machine I have been unable to print to from any linux machine... I hate the hardware situation. Also, Magicjack is Yet unsupported natively in linux, even though their website promised 1st quarter 2010 support... Hmmm I wonder when their 1st quarter starts, 'cause I am tired of rebooting my windoze machine runnin <haywire> g the MJ. <aveilleux> haywire: 1st quarter fiscally is June <haywire> They're a little behind...if ever...I'm anxiously awaiting. If more hdwe were supported, I'd literally pull the plug on windoze. <aveilleux> haywire: An HP printer not working on LUbuntu? That's really weird <aveilleux> s/LUbuntu/Ubuntu <aveilleux> haywire: Have you seen this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HpAllInOne <haywire> Yeah... I think (but haven't taken the time to prove) it would work fine hooked to the linux box locally, but is unable to use the printshare from my Vista machine. <aveilleux> haywire: Have you set up printer shating in Samba? <haywire> All the doc's say the HPLIP printing package works fine on this as a local printer, but share printing is not supported. I suspect it may even be more of a Vista issue than a print driver issue, 'cause the thing came with a seperate install disk for Vista. <aveilleux> haywire Ohhhh yeah, I remember printer sharing with Windows is a HUGE hassle <aveilleux> haywure: Er, I mean, shared printers with HP <haywire> Yes, print share easily confirms the communication, wakes up the printer then everything hangs, and I have to kill the spooler on the vista machine <aveilleux> haywire: I have an HP printer as well; it's the reason I don't use Windows for printing anymore <haywire> Funny thing is, my XP os on this same machine is o.k., and wife's Laptop can share it (Vista) too (Sometimes :-) - too bad we can't get a linux driver able to do the same... <aveilleux> haywire: HP likes Windows more :-P <haywire> Yeah, at least they make the effort to support linux, but their loyalties go where the royalties are...ryme intended... <haywire> I impressed some friends today at work with Puppy... had a Dell laptop ughhh... i know... with it's 2nd bad hard drive in 4 months...booted up Puppy, pulled out the CD and was on the web with NO drives in the machine...had 'em all scratchin' thier heads ;-) <kerdal_> what do i need to put videos on my ipod using rhythmbox or sojmething else? <aveilleux> kerdal_: What model iPod? <kerdal_> 80g hold on not the touch one <aveilleux> kerdal_: The generation is very important in determining compatibility with Linux <kerdal_> let me see what it says. <seidos> kerdal_, was it formatted in a windows machine? <seidos> kerdal_, i think we have the same ipod. i have an 80GB, i think it's a 5th gen <kerdal_> yes, a very long time ago. and then stop using it <seidos> kerdal_, well, it's good because ubuntu can't format it. <aveilleux> seidos: There are several generations of 80GB iPods :-P <seidos> at least not presently <seidos> aveilleux, and ubuntu probably can't format any of them \o/ <seidos> aveilleux, how many? <aveilleux> seidos: Actually, Ubuntu can handle almost all of them. And... Three? Four? More than one, I know that much <seidos> aveilleux, what do you mean by "handle" do you mean "format"? <kerdal_> let me check kk <aveilleux> seidos: No, johncrosby@example.net. I mean manage the media. Songs, videos, etc <kerdal_> sorry didn't know I would need to know. <seidos> kerdal_, knowing is good <kerdal_> fifth gen classic <nhandler> kerdal_: Rhythmbox will work for Music. gtkpod will handle music+videos. Banshee either supports it (or the new version that comes out in < 24 hours will) <kerdal_> okay, i will take a look as fiddle around with it. now to update my software, an hopefully it doesn't wipe out my ipod. <kerdal_> i have two computers, one that runs windows (which I don't like to much) and UB for this one. <kerdal_> thank you very much have a good night. <seidos> how do i import music from my ipod to the filesystem? <duanedesign> good morning all <hobgoblin> o/ <augustk> With the Language Support application I have chosen English for menus and windows and Swedish for numbers, dates and currency amounts, still Firefox and Thunderbird use Swedish menus. any clues? <duanedesign> hello augustk <augustk> hi duane <duanedesign> augustk: i am no master of locale settings, I just started using them recently <duanedesign> do you have the package: mozilla-firefox-locale-sv-se <duanedesign> oh i see, you have the opposite problem. <duanedesign> It is showing Swedish properly <geirha> augustk: Run the following in a terminal: echo "LANGUAGE=$LANGUAGE"; echo "LANG=$LANG" <augustk> $ locale <augustk> LANG=sv_SE.utf8 <augustk> LANGUAGE=en_GB:en <augustk> LC_CTYPE="sv_SE.utf8" <augustk> LC_NUMERIC="sv_SE.utf8" <augustk> LC_TIME="sv_SE.utf8" <augustk> LC_COLLATE="sv_SE.utf8" <augustk> LC_MONETARY="sv_SE.utf8" <augustk> LC_MESSAGES="sv_SE.utf8" <augustk> LC_PAPER="sv_SE.utf8" <augustk> LC_NAME="sv_SE.utf8" <augustk> LC_ADDRESS="sv_SE.utf8" <augustk> LC_TELEPHONE="sv_SE.utf8" <augustk> LC_MEASUREMENT="sv_SE.utf8" <augustk> LC_IDENTIFICATION="sv_SE.utf8" <augustk> LC_ALL= <Puck`> augustk: http://paste.ubuntu.com please pate it there and give us the link <geirha> Right, forgot that locale also outputs those two variables :) <geirha> LC_MESSAGES is set to swedish. Try (with firefox closed): LC_MESSAGE=en_GB.utf8 firefox <augustk> i think the language selector should set LC_MESSAGES to english as well <geirha> I think it should too. <augustk> yes, this works: LC_MESSAGES=en_GB.utf8 firefox <augustk> on the other hand gedit e.g. uses english menus <augustk> seems like some applications are looking at LANGUAGE and others at LC_MESSAGES <augustk> i have actually reported this "bug" in launchpad (if it is a bug that is) <augustk> ok, thanks geirha and duane for your help so far <sebsebseb> Hi <kosaidpo> hello guys <duanedesign> hello kosaidpo <kosaidpo> is ther an officiel source so ican get the latest info developement aqnd stuff <kosaidpo> and all featured apps <kosaidpo> you kno <kosaidpo> duanedesign: any idea from where <kosaidpo> i saw ubunutu planet and found nethin <duanedesign> kosaidpo: you are interested in what is coming up in Maverick? <kosaidpo> yeh <duanedesign> each team creates its own blueprints <duanedesign> most of the roadmap for the next release cycle is discussed and created at UDS <duanedesign> all the blueprints from UDS-M can be found at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-m <duanedesign> kosaidpo: also you can see some of the sessions and keynote speechs from UDS-M at http://ubuntudevelopers.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&nsfw=dc <duanedesign> if you are just looking for more general news, in addtion to Planet Ubuntu, their is the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/ <kosaidpo> hello <kosaidpo> duanedesign: im back the electricity was gone <kosaidpo> can you anyone tell me from where ican get all the new info of development of maverick and featured apps <kosaidpo> tnx <duanedesign> hello kosaidpo <duanedesign> most of the roadmap for the next release cycle is discussed and created at UDS <duanedesign> all the blueprints from UDS-M can be found at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-m <duanedesign> kosaidpo: also you can see some of the sessions and keynote speechs from UDS-M at http://ubuntudevelopers.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&nsfw=dc <duanedesign> if you are just looking for more general news, in addtion to Planet Ubuntu, their is the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/ <kosaidpo> ok <kosaidpo> tnx <kosaidpo> duanedesign: how can i subscrib to lauchpad <kosaidpo> i got an account there <duanedesign> kosaidpo: If there is a particular bluprint or bug you are interested in you can subscribe to it by going to the page for that item and their should be a link in the top right "Subscribe" <kosaidpo> uhm <kosaidpo> im new to this <kosaidpo> n packages names means nethin to me <kosaidpo> kno <kosaidpo> u kno <duanedesign> kosaidpo: you only need the package name if you are submitting a bug report <kosaidpo> well me <kosaidpo> iwanna feed up a blog with news of ubunhtu <kosaidpo> u see now ? <kosaidpo> so im lookin for some officiel source <kosaidpo> u got me <duanedesign> ok <kosaidpo> so anyidee : d <duanedesign> Canonical Voices is an aggregate of the Ubuntu Developers who have blogs <duanedesign> http://voices.canonical.com/ <duanedesign> PLanet Ubuntu is good for news on Ubuntu as well. http://planet.ubuntu.com/ <kosaidpo> ok <duanedesign> kosaidpo: also the Fridge <kosaidpo> yeh but thersnethin <kosaidpo> in planet ubuntu <bjfs> I've been using Ubuntu for years, but can't figure the reason why the kernel gets upgraded with a very brief version about updating the ABI <duanedesign> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/ <duanedesign> kosaidpo: PLanet Ubuntu is all Ubuntu Member blog posts <duanedesign> kosaidpo: if you are looking for news from Canonical and not from the community Canonical Voices and the Canonical Blog are good http://blog.canonical.com/ <kosaidpo> ok <kosaidpo> tnx <kosaidpo> im still tryin <kosaidpo> to see how <windows> hi <Guest17003> do anyone has an experience with asus 1201N? <philinux> Looks ok http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/dec/22/asus-1201-netbook-review <philinux> plenty of reviews out there <help> need help installing linux <Guest8534> can someone help me>? <harrisonk> Guest8534: what is the problem? <harrisonk> where would be a good guide for using the ubuntu wiki? <harrisonk> anyone here? <hobgoblin> harrisonk: in what respect? <philinux> Hi all, Ok, portrait photo's in nautilus get turned the right way up, is there a way to not do this <harrisonk> creating pages and the such <hobgoblin> harrisonk: not sure what information you had previously - been here? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ <hobgoblin> but if it just a page here and there I think just produce them - it is a community affair after all <harrisonk> yes I have been there. <hobgoblin> really depends how deep you want to go I would say <harrisonk> what I want to do is create my own wiki page. <hobgoblin> oic <hobgoblin> then - just produce it <harrisonk> follow this motto I guess: try and if it works great, if it doesn't then try again. <hobgoblin> if you have an openid - eg launchpad account - login - go to the page you want - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/harrisonk for instance - it will tell you it does not exist and ask if you want to create one <hobgoblin> then away you go <harrisonk> okay <hobgoblin> you could use someone elses as a template and then edit it <hobgoblin> basically open someone else's - while logged in - then pretend to edit - copy it then edit yours and paste it <hobgoblin> it's how I started mine off <harrisonk> where is yours? <hobgoblin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/forestpiskie <hobgoblin> copy it if you wish, then add stuff etc <hobgoblin> the world is your oyster as they say :) <hobgoblin> evening MichealH <MichealH> Evening hobgoblin <hobgoblin> harrisonk: obviously don't make any changes to anyone else's wiki :D <bleytrin> Hi, I was fixing my ubuntu netbook dual boot partions for alignment, and somehow lost ability to automount usb & fixed disks.need some guidance to repair. <suprengr> to whoever asked: flash to mprg... found on a google search> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/convert-flv-google-videos-to-mpg-using-ffmpeg.html <suprengr> *mpeg <satyajeet> hi <aveilleux> hello satyajeet <satyajeet> hi aveilleux <satyajeet> well lucid runs slow on my computer... so i <satyajeet> installed ubuntu server 10.04 64 bit.. <zkriesse> satyajeet: need help? <aveilleux> !ask |satyajeet <ubot2> satyajeet: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) <satyajeet> and then <satyajeet> i did sudo apt-get install lxde <satyajeet> cuz i knew lxde was lightweight <satyajeet> i dint want gnome <satyajeet> so on my next reboot the computer runs fine <satyajeet> lxde starts automatically. <satyajeet> but <satyajeet> sometimes when i am seeing a movie or something like that in vlc <aveilleux> satyajeet: Can you try typing your problem all on one line? It makes it easier to follow <satyajeet> aveilleux, it'll be a one big line <satyajeet> aveilleux, but i willll <satyajeet> so sometimes when i see a movie or something like that it unpredictably removes the default panel, also only the current windows that are open stay responsive, i cannot open anything else or start any other thing, if i close the responsive active windows i cannot start them again, and just after i have closed all my active still resposive (good) windows the whole desktop reverts to the openbox window manager (the right click menu and all..) , <satyajeet> but even after that i cannot start any application, <satyajeet> i also cannot reboot/shut down <satyajeet> i am forced to do a hard reboot <satyajeet> this has been observed only while running vlc media player, <satyajeet> that too like after an hour of watching video <satyajeet> sometimes less sometimes more.. <stlsaint> way to go aveilleux scare off the op <aveilleux> :( <stlsaint> i dont suggest using lxde as package install....go with lubuntu :D <aveilleux> That just sounded... not a great setup <aveilleux> s/sounded/sounded\ like <stlsaint> i use different DE's also but its all in how you config :D <aveilleux> stlsaint: I use XDM for my manager... it's so much easier to configure non-GNOME or -KDE environments to use XDM <stlsaint> niffty <Geke> hello people <Geke> do you actually reply to messages? <Geke> Ok...I have a problem creating an Ubuntu USB...while creating the USB I get an error message saying that filesystem.squashfs is broken...do I have to download Ubuntu AGAIN?? or what can I do? <geirha> 10 minutes is pacient <geirha> but just a minute more and I could've replied ... <geirha> *patient <duanedesign> hello geirha <geirha> Howdy :) #ubuntu-beginners 2010-09-02 <Guest88537> hello I have a problem mounting any usb storage devices about three months ago I had a usb ide laptop drive die while mounted and the computer still looks for it I have to hit "S" to skip mounting during boot and when I plug in a usb drive I get this message "Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with: mount: only root can mount /dev/sdf1 on /media/20Gb" Can some one please help I am on ubuntu 10.0 <Guest88537> I did create another 20Gb usb drive on my laptop and boot with it plugged in but it seems to know that it is a different drive and didn't clear the problem <aveilleux> Guest88537: Have you tried updating GRUB? <Guest88537> I have gone through two new versions of grub since the problem drive and it still has the same problem <Guest88537> can I edit out the record of that drive somewhere so the comp doesn't know it ever existed? <aveilleux> Guest88537: Have you updated it, though? Simply upgrading the version of GRUB doesn't update its configuration <Guest88537> don't really know how I have been Using Ubuntu for 4 years now but usually when I get this far gone I just reinstall. But I don't learn how to fix things that way and I have a lot of stuff done that I don't want to have to redo <aveilleux> Guest88537: It's really simple... just load up the LiveCD (10.04) and run sudo update-grub /dev/<hdd_name> <Guest88537> ok but the grub list doesn't have anything for that drive it was just a storage volume and do you think if I do that it will fix the usb mount problem that I have while running? <aveilleux> Guest88537: update-grub handles a lot of that automagically <aveilleux> Guest88537: As long as the partition is flagged as bootable, GRUB can find it and add it to the list. Any device that doesn't exist anymore will be frmoved from the list. <Guest88537> probably wouldn't be bad to shorten the grub list anyway it has every kernek since 9.04 on it still <Guest88537> kernel <Guest88537> thank you gonna reboot and try that if it works than i will be very happy if not I will be back <aveilleux> Good luck, Guest88537 <Guest80486> hi aveilleux the grub update didn't work kept saying /dev was not mounted <aveilleux> Guest80486: I'm not sure I understand the nature of that error... /dev is the directory for access to block-level devices. It's not a real directory; it's the hardware <Guest80486> thats what I thought too but I typed in " sudo update-grub /dev/sda " and it failed and said /dev wasn't mounted <aveilleux> Guest80486: That's very odd. Can you go back into the LiveCD Terminal and type "mount", then come back here and tell me the output? You may need to write it down <Guest80486> yeah I am gonna go get my laptop so I can do both at once cacha in a couple min <Guest80486> hi aveilleux back on laptop booting live cd now <Guest80486> ok terminal open <boywonder> hi,why should i use glib? <boywonder> anyone here? <wkivel> ping <wkivel> anyone here? <wkivel> Is there any way to open .rar and other zipped folders in ubuntu? <bunbunderson> I have an HP deskjet 1660. when I plugged it in, it was recognised and seemed to be working. I tried to print a test page and it said the job was started in the top right corner and then said job was completed, but nothing happened. i ran hp-check and everything seems to be in order...any suggestions? <harrisonk> is hobgoblin still here? <zkriesse> harrisonk: doubtful but I am <stlsaint> harrisonk: what may we help you with? <bunbunderson> Hi. I have an HP deskjet 1660. Ubuntu 10.04. I got it seemingly installed properly, but nothing will print. It says job started and job complete, but nothing happnes <bunbunderson> should i try somewhere else? <harrisonk> zkriesse and stlsaint I am fine I just want to thank hobgoblin for helping me start my ubuntu wiki page. <stlsaint> bunbunderson: are you sure you are printing to the correct printer? (not trying to insult or anything, just it happened before) <bunbunderson> yes <stlsaint> bunbunderson: do you get any printing errors? <harrisonk> Could it be an inproper driver? <bunbunderson> johncrosby@example.net. It says the printing completed <bunbunderson> i am using the hplip thing that i dont really understand, my printer is recognised and when I ran hp-check , everything seemed fine. <stlsaint> bunbunderson: did you try installing or did you just plug and play? <bunbunderson> i actually tried both <bunbunderson> plug and play then i deleted that and tried to install manually through hplip <bunbunderson> i think thats the right letters <harrisonk> bunbunderson: did you try going through the system -> admin -> printing? <bunbunderson> The printer is listed there <bunbunderson> this is the only error that hp-check came up with. error: User needs to be member of group 'lp' to enable print, scan & fax. <bunbunderson> User member of group 'lpadmin'. <harrisonk> is your user a member of the lpadadmin group? <bunbunderson> i dont know <harrisonk> Go to system -> admin -> users and groups <bunbunderson> it is a member of lp and lpadmin <stlsaint> bunbunderson: in a terminal enter command: groups <zkriesse> harrisonk: Ah wiki eh? * zkriesse is a HUGE wiki editor harrisonk <bunbunderson> bunbunderson adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare <harrisonk> zkriesse: yes wiki.ubuntu.com/harrisonk <stlsaint> bunbunderson: so you have used the generic drivers along with the drives that came with printer and neither of them work? <bunbunderson> i did not try with the disc that came with the printer <harrisonk> stlsaint and bunbunderson could the drivers be stoping each other? ie. driver confict? <bunbunderson> stlsaint and harrisonk: am i supposed to type your names before everything I say? <stlsaint> bunbunderson: i would sugget you download drivers from the hp site if the generic ones are not working <bunbunderson> okay <harrisonk> bunbunderson: it is helpful on the bigger suport chanels but not nessesary <harrisonk> typeing names before content <harrisonk> *typing <bunbunderson> i got ya :) <harrisonk> good ;-) <bunbunderson> stlsaint and harrisonk: through hp's website, they send you to download hplip (HP Linux Imaging and Printing) which is supposed to be universal for many hp printers including mine. <bunbunderson> and i asked the people on hplip's launchpad thingy and no one has said anything in 24 hours so I figured I would try my luck here <harrisonk> bunbunderson: the launchpad thingy I heard is slow at answering questions. <stlsaint> bunbunderson: and hplip does not work for you? <harrisonk> not that you will not get a answer it's just slow <bunbunderson> it *seems* to work. theres a little hp logo by my little wireless bars. HP says it is printing and completed... <bunbunderson> but the printer doesnt budge <stlsaint> bunbunderson: what does the printer say? <bunbunderson> it doesnt say anything <harrisonk> bunbunderson: does your printer have a small LCD screen on it? <bunbunderson> no. its totally the $25 dollar printer from walmart <harrisonk> ahh one of those <harrisonk> basic? <bunbunderson> very <bunbunderson> one button <bunbunderson> but it has always worked perfectly for me <bunbunderson> harrisonk and stlsaint: i appreciate you guys tryin to help me <stlsaint> bunbunderson: sorry it didnt work for you <bunbunderson> is there a control alt delete-ish thing for ubuntu? <seidos> bunbunderson, there used to be a short cut key to restart xorg. <seidos> s/key/key combo <Verminator> is there a way to get a list of packages changed/installed as part of a daily update? <seidos> huh, some music plays in totem but not in rhythmbox <Verminator> @seidos, what format is the music in, wav, mp3, etc? <seidos> Verminator, mp3. i'm reading over this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/468577 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 468577 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) ""unable to start playback pipeline" (other apps work) (affects: 14) (heat: 24)" [Low,Incomplete] <seidos> i'll try removing and installing with apt-get <Shaun_> my ubuntu 10.04 wbui wont connect and cant detect any wireless network!! HELP <temposs> wow, Shaun didn't stay long enough to type an answer :-( <seidos> i read it, but don't know wubi <temposs> some standard things to try, like enabling restricted hardware drivers <Verminator> is the following a good way to generate a list of recently installed/upgrade pacxkages? <Verminator> grep 'trigproc\|upgrade' dpkg.log <Verminator> I've run a similar command, but want to make sure I understand the output <aveilleux> Verminator: Give me a second and I'll try it <Verminator> thx <Verminator> aveilleux, if u know of an easier/better way, I'm open to that too <aveilleux> Verminator: The command looks right to me <aveilleux> Verminator: The output looks fine too <Verminator> thx, I appreciate the confirmation. do u know what the diff between trigproc and upgrade is? <aveilleux> Verminator: Upgrade is when the package actually gets updated, trigproc is when the deferred ldconfig triggers the processed (at the end of the install) <Verminator> aveilleux, I understand upgrade, but am still confused on trigproc, can u explain it more in newguy terms, sorry. <aveilleux> Verminator: Have you installed software through the command line before? <Verminator> only once or twice and it was something I copied and moded from elsewhere <Verminator> my cli is usually confined to finding and parsing text files <aveilleux> Verminator: Let me get my Ubuntu system back up, I just put it back away <Verminator> aveilleux, no worries, dont go outta your way, at this point my task is complete, I'm just trying to learn at this point and have to get off soon anyway, I really appreciate your help though. <aveilleux> Verminator: Well my explanation is the same, I just have to get the exact wording <Verminator> aveilleux, fair enough, I'll save your reply and try to make more sence of it tomorrow, thanks again <aveilleux> Verminator: One of the last steps of the package setup process is "Processing triggers for X", where X is usually libc-bin or another dependent library. What exactly that means, I forget. But it's basically everything that happens after the package itself is installed and ready to be run. <Verminator> aveilleux, sounds kind of like a 2nd round of checking/updating dependencies. <bdogg> um hello <bdogg> can someone help me with a graphics card problem? <bdogg_> hello? <bdogg_> can someone help me out with a really bad graphics problem <bdogg_> .... <b34tls> hey... <b34tls> anyone here? <hobgoblin> !ask <ubot2> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) <gasd> ANYONE NOT AFK? <hobgoblin> only if you stop shouting <gasd> lol <gasd> okay <gasd> can any one help me with a graphics problem? <hobgoblin> might be able to - please just ask the question <gasd> okay im using ATI Radeon Xpress 200 on lucid <gasd> i was changing screen savers <gasd> when it crashed on CubeStorm <gasd> i couldnt gain control and i had to do a hard reboot <gasd> when i was logged back in <gasd> the were graphical glithes everywhere <gasd> but only with compiz enabled <gasd> or anything that uses 3D (screensavers) <gasd> and for some reason the screen saver Cubestorm crashes my computer still <gasd> im using opensource drivers by the way <hobgoblin> yea - from what I can see the card is not getting proprietary drivers any longer <gasd> http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=168201&d=1283397836 <gasd> there's a pic of what it looks like <gasd> yeah but everything was working perfectly fine <gasd> with the open source drivers <gasd> untill the hard reboot <gasd> Compiz still works, its just overlayed with the blocks <hobgoblin> tbh - I rarely have anything to do with ati cards - <hobgoblin> that is what you have now? <gasd> yes <hobgoblin> nice ... <gasd> do you at least know of anyway to like reinstall the drivers <gasd> ppa purge perhaps? <hobgoblin> mmm - to get back to a screen you can see you can try to remove the xorg file from recovery mode and then start again <gasd> im just scared i might mess something up <hobgoblin> were you using a ppa like xorg edgers? <gasd> yup <hobgoblin> mmm <temposs> ohhh, that'll do it <temposs> lol <hobgoblin> boot recovery mode - root terminal <temposs> gasd, sudo ppa-purge xorg-edgers <hobgoblin> then have a go with ppa purge <gasd> okay gonna try the ppa purge first <hobgoblin> if that doesn;t help - recovery mode - root terminal and then mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.0209 <gasd> k <hobgoblin> that whoudl leave you with vesa <gasd> after i purge, can i reinstall xorg edgers <gasd> or should I? <hobgoblin> no idea tbh - not needed to use it <hobgoblin> from what I have seen on the forum some have no issue - others do <gasd> yeah i had no isuee <gasd> *issue <hobgoblin> till now ... <gasd> it was just that damn screen saver <hobgoblin> then I would not use the screensaver <gasd> yeah i really dont know what up with that sceensaver CubeStorm <gasd> because even when compiz is off, it completely freezes my computer <gasd> everyother screensaver runs fine <hobgoblin> well if all that causes the issue is that screensaver - then use another one :) <gasd> yeah i kinda of got that <gasd> lol <hobgoblin> :) <gasd> i was just shufflin through and what do i get? i system breaker -_- <gasd> ppa purge done <hobgoblin> k <gasd> lets hope it worked! <duanedesign> morning all <Post> hello <duanedesign> hello Post <zeroseven0183> Good day Post <Post> thank you <Post> i have problem when i rest my box i got "the greeter application appears to be crashing. Attempting to Launch A Different One" how slove it ? <augustk> Post: have you read http://liltux.wordpress.com/2007/09/05/how-to-fix-the-error-the-greeter-application-appears-to-be-crashing-in-ubuntu/ <Post> augustk: yes, but i didn't found gdm.conf , i'm using xfce4 <augustk> Post: i see, xubuntu? <Post> augustk: hmm, zenwalk :\ <Post> root[~]# whereis gdm.conf :gdm: /usr/bin/gdm /usr/sbin/gdm /usr/share/gdm /usr/man/man1/gdm.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/gdm.1.gz <Post> no there in /usr/share/gdm !! <duanedesign> Post: here is the bug report on that issue bug 55566 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 55566 in gdm (Ubuntu) "The greeter application appears to be crashing with "Enable accessible login" (dups: 1) (heat: 2)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55566 <Post> duanedesign: hmm, thnx <Post> i will try install backup <duanedesign> Post: have you made any entries in your xorg.conf, like adding a Wacom tablet? <Post> duanedesign: i installed some lib for driver in kernel, and load some driver, and latest install alsa-drive,alsa-lib,alsa-utils, and modprobe the drive to kernel and rest my box got this problem !! <andeval> hello <duanedesign> hello andeval <andeval> is there a linux command like ls switch <andeval> that can show when a file was deleted from a directory <andeval> ie 'last activity inside this folder' <andeval> ..not reallya beginer q..perhaps theres a better place to ask.. <duanedesign> andeval: well lets see... <duanedesign> andeval: does the command ls -la <folder name> <duanedesign> give you the information you need? <duanedesign> andeval: this should get you the date modified: find /path/to/folder -type d -printf "%t:%p\n" <boywonder> hi, ive compiled a program only now i want to delete it and start again,any help? <geirha> boywonder: Delete the source? Or did you install it and want to uninstall it? <boywonder> i never used make install i dont know how <geirha> You never ran make install? So you just want to clean the source tree? <boywonder> yes because i cant use su on my box i dont know the password <boywonder> what is the command for make install? <geirha> I still don't understand what you're trying to do. <hobgoblin> boywonder: sudo instead of su <geirha> If you don't have administrator privileges, you can't install anything system-wide, though you can install it in your homedir. <boywonder> ok im in confused state lol now i dont know if i installed it because i have used sudo make install <boywonder> im trying to install xchat, so do i need to know a folder where it would be installed <geirha> boywonder: Then you likely installed it under /usr/local <boywonder> ? <boywonder> should it be there a xchat folder <geirha> boywonder: Why are you building xchat? It's in the repositories ... <boywonder> ? <boywonder> i didnt know that <geirha> boywonder: find /usr/local -type f # see any xchat there? <geirha> Applications -> Ubuntu Software Center -> search for xchat -> install <boywonder> ok but i need to clean my system first,also i installed glib <boywonder> ok im in local <boywonder> ls and theres no xchat <geirha> boywonder: Not ls, find. ''find /usr/local -type f'' <geirha> If you're lucky, running ''sudo make uninstall'' from the same place you ran ''sudo make install'', will undo the install. <boywonder> that command does nothing? <geirha> What command, the find command? <boywonder> yes <geirha> Then you haven't installed anything under /johncrosby@example.net. <geirha> What commands did you run exactly; what options did you pass to ./configure ? <boywonder> none <geirha> Then it should've defaulted to /usr/local, but since /usr/local is emtpy, you haven't installed anything <geirha> So if you ran sudo make install, it probably failed. <boywonder> probably <boywonder> does that mean i have to do nothing? <boywonder> except use ubuntu software centre to install it? <geirha> Yes, it sounds like you didn't do anything that needs to be cleaned up ;) <boywonder> can i now get rid of glib <geirha> Did you run ./configure without options for glib too? <boywonder> sudo aptitude install libglib2.0-dev <boywonder> yes <geirha> Ah, you installed glib via apt. Good. Then you just need to <geirha> sudo aptitude remove libglib2.0-dev <boywonder> sweet thanks alot <geirha> yw <boywonder> that aced <boywonder> installed now reboot <noder> hey <kedarm> Howdy! <Silver_Fox_> Hello. <boywonder> thanks alot geirha <kedarm> So, I ended up putting my Ubuntu Lucid Lynx Desktop in Hibernate :( <kedarm> Now, it does not seem to come back to life. <kedarm> I have read horror stories, but any tips you may have? <Silver_Fox_> How up to date was the system kedarm ? <Silver_Fox_> Possibly related to this bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/499940 <kedarm> Silver_Fox_: It was pretty up-to-date, but Update Manager did show me some updates which I haven't yet applied. <ubot2> Launchpad bug 499940 in linux (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 5 other projects) "[lucid regression] does not resume from hibernation, restarts fresh (affects: 39) (dups: 3) (heat: 197)" [High,Invalid] <Silver_Fox_> Thought that was was fuxed <Silver_Fox_> *fixed <kedarm> Silver_Fox_: I have SSD, if that matters. <kedarm> The problem is that since it has grub2 and the only OS is Lucid Lynx, I can't change the boot menu to add additional options, it just goes to Lynx and never boots :( <kedarm> Actually, I have attempted to restart (Ctrl+Alt+Del), but it never comes up. So, basically, I have managed to screw it up completely. <kedarm> Unfortunately, virtual terminals too seem to be defunct :(. <kedarm> Would booting using a USB disk image let me boot it and then recover? <kedarm> So, my "failure to wake up from hibernate" problem is now "just can't boot into Lucid Lynx anymore" problem. <kedarm> Is there anything I can do before reinstalling? <geirha> Hm. <geirha> There's no way to get to the boot-menu in grub2? (I haven't used grub2 much) <kedarm> geirha: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 says: The default behavior is to hide the menu if only one operating system is present. <geirha> Ah, but it will wait for a little while, with a blank screen, so you should be able to hit a key at the right point to get to the menu. <harrisonk> If a system crashes because of a program witch log file should I look at? <harrisonk> *whitch <harrisonk> *which <harrisonk> hello? <harrisonk> anyone here? <paultag> harrisonk: heyya <paultag> harrisonk: what's up <Bdogg> can anyone help me with a problem i have with lucid's notify-osd <paultag> Bdogg: depends, what's up <Bdogg> its just that for some reason the corners are sharp instead of rounded <Bdogg> it seem more like a graphical problem <paultag> Bdogg: do you have compositing enabled? <Bdogg> more than a configuration setting <Bdogg> yes <Bdogg> i have a pic <paultag> Bdogg: so "visual effects" are on "high" ? <Bdogg> custom on ccsm <paultag> Bdogg: what's the output of glxinfo | grep direct\ rendering <Bdogg> direct rendering : yes <paultag> Bdogg: can you send that screenshot? <Bdogg> http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=167924&d=1283141778 <paultag> Pretty rad <paultag> interesting. It's rounding one <paultag> very cool <Bdogg> yeah <Bdogg> lol <Bdogg> i have no idea why or how to fix it <hobgoblin> I remember seeing the thread on the forum - baffled me <paultag> hurmm <paultag> because you can't tweek the default osd stuff <paultag> that's mostly hardcoded from canonical <Bdogg> it was working fine before, untill i changed themes (Ambiance to some other one) <Bdogg> ever since then i get that <paultag> Bdogg: try asking in #ubuntu+1 <Bdogg> um how do i do that? <paultag> Bdogg: /join #ubuntu+1 <Bdogg> i have no idea how this IRC stuff works <Bdogg> k <sebsebseb> Hi <hobgoblin> afternoon sebsebseb <sebsebseb> hobgoblin: evening or very nearly evening here <hobgoblin> sebsebseb: si - t'is 18:00 here so evening I suppose it is <boywonder> hi how do i go back on directory? <boywonder> on=one <sebsebseb> hobgoblin: yeah is it 6pm now? my computer clock isn't exactly correct <hobgoblin> boywonder: cd .. <boywonder> aha thanks <hobgoblin> sebsebseb: it is 17:57 on the south coast of england <boywonder> missed it in file and dir commands lol <sebsebseb> hobgoblin: 17:58 now, maybe it is ok then <sebsebseb> hobgoblin: anyway pm, since going a bit off topic here? <hobgoblin> is there a topic? <hobgoblin> boywonder was helped - no-one else about <harrisonk> If a system crashes because of a program which log file should I look at? <boywonder> im wanting to install a c++ compiler,my system says that i already have gcc c compiler installed, can you help on this? also i havnt done any ./configure commands in the past <harrisonk> boywonder: open synaptic and install g++ <boywonder> is that the gcc c++ compiler? <boywonder> thanks harrisonk <harrisonk> If a system crashes because of a program which log file should I look at? <john___> I want to try unbuntu. I can buy a Dell where it is preloaded for $400 or save $150 and buy and laptop and load it on. Which way to go? I'm a proficient entreprenerial PHP programmer and need to learn Linux to get a job for that regular income. Thanks. <sardonyx> john___, i'd buy the laptop, ubuntu is really easy to load... <john___> Save the money, got it. So far looks easy. I still have CD around. <geirha> Before you do, though, google "Ubuntu <laptop model>" and/or see if you find it at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Laptop/Lucid/Reports <john___> looking... <geirha> The main problem with linux is that many hardware manufacturers don't bother writing drivers for linux <john___> Oh yes, I've heard that. I don't do much else but maybe one day will. <geirha> There's a lot of drivers written by the linux community though, but not every single hardware out there is supported <john___> so that list is of laptops with ubunta? <geirha> People have installed Ubuntu on their laptops, then made a report on what works and what doesn't for their model. <john___> I see, they loaded "Lucid Desktop Live" and checked if it workd. <john___> What ubuntu version am I downloading now? <john___> Desktop edition... <geirha> You should download Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, Lucid Lynx <geirha> Yes, the desktop edition <john___> Okay, I'll look for that one then. <john___> http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download <john___> That is the one I'm downloading. Thanks for your help, by the way! <geirha> It's the newest stable release, so that's the one you'll be downloading unless you specifically select a different one. <Verminator> my USB ports keep going offline, any ideas why or how to fix? Recently upgraded to 10.04. lsusb hangs showing nothing. ps aux|grep usb shows 3 unknown tasks: ksuspend_usbd, usb-storage, usbhid_resumer. <Verminator> in regards to my last post, dmesg also shows no usb device added <WaveUbuntu1> hi <WaveUbuntu1> anybody care to help me install a Ubuntu 10.4 on a dos running laptop :) ? <ishijoe> 1 <ishijoe> PLz need help to setup evilwm <duanedesign> 'lo all <ckdoty01> any recomendations for a good but simple FTP server to run on ubuntu 10.04 server? <harrisonk> ckdoty01 still there? #ubuntu-beginners 2010-09-03 <[sleepy]> hello <DarkwingDuck> Yo :D <[sleepy]> heh <harrisonk> If a system crashes because of a program which log file should I look at? <stlsaint> harrisonk: messages <harrisonk> messages? <[sleepy]> sup people <harrisonk> [sleepy]:If a system crashes because of a program which log file should I look at? <[sleepy]> idk <stlsaint> harrisonk: you said a log right? <[sleepy]> im a noob lol <stlsaint> i suggest messages or messages.1 <[sleepy]> booted ubuntu yesterday lol <stlsaint> :D <harrisonk> okay <stlsaint> [sleepy]: lol, welcome mate :D <[sleepy]> haha drawingduck sent me here <harrisonk> would that be in /var/log? <stlsaint> harrisonk: yep yep <harrisonk> looks like syslog <harrisonk> *looks like a syslog <harrisonk> if X is crashing is there a log for that? <stlsaint> harrisonk: hrm, maybe the Xorg.0.log <stlsaint> ;) <duanedesign> also ~/.xsession-errors. For the record, this file usually <duanedesign> receives stderr from X programs which run in the background, so it is <duanedesign> a valuable diagnostic tool if something goes wrong. <stlsaint> duanedesign: nice...i never looked at it this way :D <duanedesign> stlsaint: usually people don'tnotice it until a buggy program fills the log up with a couple GB of information <duanedesign> that bug might be fixed now. But their was a bug at on point were that file would not get rotated and get huge <stlsaint> i c <zkriesse> heyllo haywire_ <haywire_> zkriesse, yeah, man...whazzup? <zkriesse> haywire_: Just welcoming you to the channel/saying hi/wazzup <zkriesse> and the same to you tieinv <haywire_> zkriesse, cool...i'm just lurkin... not having any problems tonite... heh heh... xubuntu behaving itself... <zkriesse> haywire_: Very good <haywire_> I even solved my firewire problem earlier tonite with help from the forums... now controls my Sony DV cam... I'm crackin' each linux hurdle one at a time... <stlsaint> haywire_: i prefer the bundle method...break a bunch of stuff then fix them in budles :D <stlsaint> (that gets you alot of FAILS though) LOL <haywire_> yeah... sounds like a tangled bundle of a/v cables ...hardy harr... <haywire_> The things I just can't overcome are 3 hardware incompatibilities I have run into... <phillw> haywire_: on the plus side, you're learning loads - so do please post answers for thos following you :-) <stlsaint> +1 <aveilleux> ++ <haywire_> phillw, I have one PIII with an incompatible VGA card...screwy graphics on all linux distros I've tried... <haywire_> Next prob. is incompatibility to do network printing to an HP all-in-one printer I have served up on a win' machine... that feature is not supported on my model... <haywire_> Finally, I would love to use the magic jack phone line interface natively in linux.... I wish they would "get off the pot" and fullfill their plans to support linux in 2010 like they say... <phillw> haywire_: google-fu is your friend, if you're running a PIII, then you may want have a look at lubuntu / xubuntu, they are pretty decent at older kit. (I use lubuntu, but xubuntu has been around a lot longer) <haywire_> Now the GOOD NEWS: I am dual bootin' XP and Xubuntu 9.10 on this machine (a P4 1.7Ghz, 512 ram) running a 32" LCD monitor with its Native resolution of 1360x768 that looks better than windoze is capable of... <haywire_> Also running dual drives... and starting to learn my way around linux CLI - I'm an old dos user, and have to "unlearn" most of that to make sense of linux...I am AMAZED already and in awe of the power of the linux command line... <phillw> haywire_: just be in awe of it, as you do not "are you sure <y/n>" with cli on linux <phillw> *do not get* <Appl6> phillw does not use aptitude (or uses -y). <phillw> Appl6: phillw runs development releases, backups are really, really important :p <haywire_> phillw, I can appreciate the fact that linux doesn't nag you to death with all of the "are you sure, really, really sure?" crap.. If i tell the os to do something, I'm pretty sure I want it to do it... .heh heh.. <Appl6> [y/n] is nice for dangerous operations. And most utilities that do dangerous things give you [y/n]. <haywire_> Oh I have had some pretty good disasters with my aforementioned philosophy.... ;-) <phillw> haywire_: and Appl6 do take the time to read http://ubuntuforums.org/announcement.php?f=326 <phillw> If in doubt, do check. There are some times you need root privalidges, but they should be exceptions as opposed to the rule. Always double check :-) <Appl6> phillw: What? I didn't give any commands. Unless
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