#ubuntu-manual 2010-10-01 <c7p> hello all i sent yesterday a mail to ML about the next meeting, we don't have much time till the final release so if a meeting will take place before this date this has to be done these these week (1-6 of October) <c7p> if you have some time sent a reply to that mail * You're now known as ubuntulog <Andre_Gondim> Does any one may check if is everything ok https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website/trunk/+pots/ubuntu-manual-website-moved/pt_BR/+translate it's here, isn't it? <Andre_Gondim> is it possible to have the style of manuel to be translated in rosetta too? <dutchie> the style? <Andre_Gondim> yes, this http://files.ubuntu-manual.org/style-guide.pdf <dutchie> aha <Andre_Gondim> my team ask me if is it possible <dutchie> godbyk: ^^ <Andre_Gondim> it will be helpful <dutchie> we will investigate #ubuntu-manual 2010-10-02 <daker> hola <thorwil> aloah <daker> The next meeting will be in tomorrow ? <thorwil> daker: i know that c7p (?) tried to schedule one, but i saw no echo * thorwil has nothing to contribute, besides what he did already <daker> thorwil, https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/msg02231.html <thorwil> ok <daker> jenkins said : The next meeting is 3rd rhonda96@example.net utc in #ubuntu-manual <thorwil> good night! <zkriesse> Muscovy: ping <Muscovy> zkriesse: pong <zkriesse> Muscovy: pm? <Muscovy> Sure. #ubuntu-manual 2010-10-03 <synergetic> yesssssss <3 filezilla <synergetic> oop. wrong channel. <b1ackcr0w> hello Popey! <b1ackcr0w> installing Ubuntu on a friends machine :) <popey> hi b1ackcr0w :) <popey> hehe <popey> and I'm using ubuntu on my mums! <b1ackcr0w> mumbuntu!! <popey> yes! <b1ackcr0w> used that "how to describe open source to your grandma" from oggcamp 1 last night <b1ackcr0w> worked a charm <popey> :) <popey> not seen that! <b1ackcr0w> that french chap <b1ackcr0w> forgot his name <b1ackcr0w> the diffrence between a jar of jam and a recipie for jam <popey> Bruno <popey> bumped into him in dublin last weekend! <b1ackcr0w> they all got it 100% <b1ackcr0w> top chap <b1ackcr0w> surprising how useful barcamp stuff like that is <popey> yeah <synergetic> there's something written on the inside of my spoon ring... and it turns out it's a stamp from the original flatware company that made the spoon <daker> so, no meeting for today ? <synergetic> daker: doesn't seem like anyone else is around. probably busy editing and such <daker> :s <daker> we don't have much time <daker> the manual should be ready before the next Sunday <ChrisWoollard> Hello <ChrisWoollard> I guess nobody else is here. <daker> i don't think so <daker> opps wrong window :) <daker> ChrisWoollard, yeah <ChrisWoollard> ;) #ubuntu-manual 2010-10-04 <semioticrobotic> anyone an expert on filesystem damage recovery? <hannie> Hi there. Can anybody tell me if Movie Player is the same as Totem? <hannie> The manual refers to Movie player, but I cannot find it in Ubuntu Software Center <daker> yes <hannie> Thanks <daker> Totem is the default movie player in Ubuntu <hannie> ok, I will use Totem when referring to the menu Applications <daker> i think you should use Movie Player <daker> hannie, are you editing the manual ? <hannie> application{â¨application nameâ©} <hannie> I am busy translating the manual (Dutch translation) <hannie> The name between () should be translated <hannie> the \application{Movie Player} application <daker> you should translate Movie Player <hannie> becomes: de toepassing \application{Filmspeler} <hannie> Ok, I used the word Filmspeler (=Movie Player) <daker> it's ok <hannie> But in the menu it says: Totem mediaspeler <hannie> So, mediaspeler would be a better word <c7p> hello all, the channel and the project is very "silent" lately and there is no luxury of time till the release of the manual <c7p> is there any pdf available or sth ? #ubuntu-manual 2010-10-05 <infosoft> Hey, everyone! It's so good to be back :) <daker> hello infosoft <daker> ping godbyk <thorwil> Chris Woollard's link gives me a 500. though, i only wanted to see if the title page is ok :) <godbyk> daker: pong <godbyk> daker: pong <zkriesse> godbyk: I'm not daker but pong! lol <zkriesse> godbyk: How ya been my man <daker> just want to ask about the staging site :) <godbyk> zkriesse: been pretty busy here. how are you? <zkriesse> the same <godbyk> daker: I've offloaded that to dutchie's server. I couldn't get django working on mine. (something to do with different versions of python conflicting or something.. I think my server just hates me right now.) <zkriesse> godbyk: Busy with college, trying to find a job, and managing my teams/forums in the ubuntu community. <godbyk> daker: to try to take the load off dutchie's server for bandwidth and space, though, I'm going to host the static rhonda96@example.net. <daker> godbyk, oki <ChrisWoollard> This channel is so quiet these days! <zkriesse> yup #ubuntu-manual 2010-10-07 <daker> anything new ? <humphreybc> hey daker <humphreybc> got your reply <humphreybc> how far through the site are you? <daker> well godbyk said : I've offloaded that to dutchie's server. I couldn't get django working on mine. (something to do with different versions of python conflicting or something.. I think my server just hates me right now.) <daker> daker: to try to take the load off dutchie's server for bandwidth and space, though, I'm going to host the static rhonda96@example.net. <humphreybc> hm ok <humphreybc> maybe godbyk should contact dreamhost :) <daker> humphreybc, so if you can talk to dutchie when he is online he will be able to run the website <daker> the website is in lp:ubuntu-manual-website <daker> humphreybc, i can show you how to run it locally <humphreybc> locally would be neat <daker> oki <daker> $ sudo apt-get install python-django <humphreybc> okay, give me two secs <daker> tyt <humphreybc> rightro <daker> $ bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual-website umpwebsite <daker> $ cd umpwebsite <daker> then other <daker> $ cd umpwebsite <humphreybc> ok <humphreybc> i'm ther <daker> ./manage.py syncdb <daker> create the superuser <humphreybc> oops, i just hit ctrl + C by accident <daker> no worries <humphreybc> instead of creating super user <humphreybc> will it still work? <daker> $ rm umpwebsite.db <daker> then <daker> ./manage.py syncdb <humphreybc> okay <humphreybc> done <daker> ./manage runserver <daker> then open http://507-653-2812:8000 <daker> works ? <humphreybc> bash: ./manage: No such file or directory <daker> oh oops <daker> ./manage.py runserver <daker> works ? <humphreybc> ok <humphreybc> sort of <humphreybc> there's no CSS <daker> oh why <daker> open this http://507-653-2812:8000/static/css/styles.r1286289207.css <humphreybc> page not found <humphreybc> "/home/benjamin/Projects/umpwebsite/umpwebsite/static/css/styles.r1286289207.css" does not exist <daker> gimme 5sec <daker> run a bzr pull <daker> well the css is supposed to compress to be generated/compress automatically on the server <daker> shit <daker> humphreybc, ? <humphreybc> sorry <humphreybc> just jamming out to taylor swift :P <daker> no worries just be quick coze i need to sleep it's 00:06 <humphreybc> i'm here :) <humphreybc> i ran a pull <humphreybc> okay <daker> open http://507-653-2812:8000 <humphreybc> a ha! <humphreybc> that looks lovely <humphreybc> I love the awesome language selection thing <daker> haha <humphreybc> it's very good daker <humphreybc> the fades in the get involved box are great too <humphreybc> (although my browser jumps to the top of the page when I click links) <daker> ya i were looking for a solution to that <daker> also you can just link the rules like that : http://507-653-2812:8000/getinvolved#editors <humphreybc> wicked :D <humphreybc> this is going to be an awesome site <daker> http://507-653-2812:8000/getinvolved#designers <daker> http://507-653-2812:8000/admin <Muscovy> When should we expect the new site? In time for Maverick? <daker> Muscovy, should ask humphreybc ã <humphreybc> daker: can you get it finished by sunday :P <daker> ya everything is possible <humphreybc> :D <humphreybc> well <humphreybc> aim for Sunday <humphreybc> next weekish <humphreybc> and we'll pester godbyk to get django working on his server <daker> ok <humphreybc> site is soooo cool <daker> shut!!! <godbyk> humphreybc: django isn't working on my server right now. python hates me. :-/ <humphreybc> godbyk: can you fix it? <humphreybc> go and hassle dreamhost <godbyk> humphreybc: so I've asked dutchie is he can host the django stuff and I'll host the static files (to help reduce his bandwidth). <godbyk> humphreybc: can't hassle them as they don't support it. <humphreybc> oh ok <humphreybc> alright then <godbyk> right now, http://staging.ubuntu-manual.org/ points to dutchie's server. <godbyk> I'm not sure if he's had time to work on getting django + the website running yet or not. <humphreybc> ok <humphreybc> btw <humphreybc> what's actually happening with the book? <humphreybc> did ya'll get a few more people pop up here a couple of days ago? <humphreybc> I sent out a call for help on facebook, twitter <godbyk> not much progress that I'm aware of. <humphreybc> :( <godbyk> I haven't seen any real activity the past couple days. <humphreybc> daker: there are a few things we need to work on re: the pictograms up the top <humphreybc> like rollovers <humphreybc> and the get involved pictogram is too small <daker> humphreybc, that's your work ã <humphreybc> yup <humphreybc> daker, godbyk, is there point in launching the new site if we don't have a 10.10 manual to go with it? <godbyk> hmm.. doesn't make much difference to me, I guess. <daker> the manual & website at the same time would be good <daker> humphreybc, i need to go ã and feedbacks are welcome <humphreybc> yeah <humphreybc> okay <humphreybc> I'll email you a list of changes <humphreybc> :) <daker> sure <humphreybc> if you don't mind <daker> the downloads page will not work, you need to add the manuals from the admin interface <daker> http://507-653-2812:8000/admin <daker> and use the superuser IDs <daker> humphreybc, godbyk see ya <daker> Muscovy, bye ã <dutchie> o/ <godbyk> hey, dutchie. how goes it? <dutchie> tiringly <dutchie> late night ice hockey was good fun <dutchie> didn't make it back to my room before 2 though <dutchie> (now 2.30, have abandoned hope of a good night's sleep) <godbyk> dutchie: ah, that stinks. I was up late last night, too. I had to get up for meetings this morning. I'm guessing I'll be hitting the pillow a bit earlier tonight. <hannie> Question on translation of \window{Movie Player}: <hannie> I can translate is like this: \window{Mediaspeler} but... <hannie> When I follow the instructions in the Manual the window 'Totem mediaspeler' is shown. <hannie> *it <hannie> This will be confusing for the reader of the manual <hannie> I suppose the authors of the manual have chosen for a neutral term. Am I right? #ubuntu-manual 2010-10-08 <DPic> hello <DPic> i'm working on my next Ubuntu Post-install guide, and was looking for some help making pdf's and making it easy for people to translate <nisshh> DPic, hey <nisshh> DPic, godbyk would be the guy you want to talk to <godbyk> DPic: We're using LaTeX to generate the PDFs and po4a to handle the translation end of things. <DPic> would a program like LyX do well? <godbyk> DPic: It could. I can export to LaTeX and po4a could take the translation work from there. <godbyk> DPic: I haven't used LyX too much myself, though, so there may be shortfalls that I'm unaware of. <DPic> i'm not very familiar with lyx either actually. what would be a good place for me to author the post where it can be converted well? <godbyk> DPic: Could you rephrase the question? (I didn't follow the 'author the post' part.) <DPic> sorry, i mean using what application should i write this guide so that it can be posted to my blog in html, converted to pdf as well, and easily translated <godbyk> DPic: Ah, good question. I'm don't have a really good answer for you. There are plenty of ways to convert from html to tex, but it usually involves some tweaking to make the PDF look good. <godbyk> (HTML doesn't really provide as many typographic niceties as one may want.) <DPic> how long would it take to convert a fairly large guide from html to tex? <DPic> like this: http://blog.thesilentnumber.me/2010/04/ubuntu-1004-post-install-guide-what-to.html <godbyk> The bulk of the work could be done with a script, if the html is structured nicely. <godbyk> If that's the completed guide, I could take a whack at it for you. <DPic> it's blogger, so god knows what kind of mess it creates <godbyk> Heh.. good point. <DPic> that's the previous one <godbyk> Ah, gotcha. <DPic> i'm baout to start one for maverick <DPic> i tried using lyx before, but it didn't make much sense to me <godbyk> I'd recommend that your screenshots be pretty high-resolution so that they print well. <godbyk> It takes a bit of getting used to, as LyX isn't really a WYSIWYG program. <godbyk> It can be a little snarky at times, too. <DPic> hm, how can i increase the resolution without just making the windows smaller? <DPic> i mean, if i am just capturing a window of a particular size in pixels, the resolution of my screen won't help that <godbyk> DPic: Right. I would just use the full-sized screenshots in the PDF instead of thumbnail versions (like what you have on the web page). <DPic> so, different screenshots for the webpage and for the pdf? <godbyk> So http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PtyHEChBKZw/S9oaGZeAWwI/AAAAAAAAf7o/-xaffs2limY/s1600/Screenshot.png instead of http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PtyHEChBKZw/S9oaGZeAWwI/AAAAAAAAf7o/-xaffs2limY/s640/Screenshot.png. <godbyk> The same screenshots can be used. Just not the scaled-down thumbnail versions. <DPic> oh right, but what i mean is that some screenshots are just of menus which are a fixed size in pixels <DPic> they do not get scaled down <DPic> but are still small <godbyk> Oh, yeah, those are fine. <DPic> okie doke <DPic> godbyk: ah, another issue is that the size of my post was previously too big to be shared on google reader, and this one will likely be even bigger <DPic> i'm not sure of a good way to host it as a static page <DPic> i suppose i could post it on my other domain, libreops.com <DPic> which i haven't used yet <popey> Hows the manual coming along? <nisshh> popey, i think thats a 'it's just fine' :) <zleap> i takeit there will be another manual for 10.10 and further manuals for 10.04 <dutchie> zleap: there will be a manual <zleap> cool <dutchie> it may well not end up being released this sunday <zleap> well aftrer sunday <ChrisWoollard> goodnight all. <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: g'night! thanks for the updates to the manual! <ChrisWoollard> I thought that as i had some time I had better do something, as nobody else had ;) <godbyk> good plan. :-) <ChrisWoollard> The worst thing is that I think the screenshots need to be looked at / updated. <ChrisWoollard> And quickshot isn't that simple. <godbyk> yeah, they do. <godbyk> I don't know where we're at with quickshot right now. <DPic> libreopswould be bad because i actually pay for hosting <DPic> hmmm <ChrisWoollard> Last time I tried to get my heard around it, it kept crashing <DPic> static pages on blogger are shit-- you're only allowed ten of them <ChrisWoollard> godbyk: What time do you have at the moment for manual updates? <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: not too much at the moment. I have to work on, well, work stuff. :-) <godbyk> I'm going to try to tweak some of the design parts of the manual soon. <ChrisWoollard> So much for the release. <godbyk> but I don't think I'll have much time to write material. <godbyk> I think the release will probably not happen on 10.10.10. <godbyk> Given the lack of activity. <ChrisWoollard> I think I am the only one that has commited in weeks. <ChrisWoollard> and even then, that isn't much <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: I think you're right. <godbyk> I think point, I figure we may as well wait for the release to come out, then put a bunch of effort into going through the manual page by page and ensuring that the text reflects the latest updates. <ChrisWoollard> That is what I started to do. <ChrisWoollard> I have done the prologue and I am half way through installation. <ChrisWoollard> I have even tested what it says. Hense the amount of updates. <ChrisWoollard> maybe next week we should do a nice motivational speech to the mailing list to get support. <ChrisWoollard> I think screenshots will be a problem though. Not many people know / understand quickshot. <godbyk> I don't think screenshots will be too much of a problem if quickshot is up and running. <godbyk> one person could run through and do all the screenshots once quickshot is running. it's pretty simple. <godbyk> Weird. Power just went off and came back on. <godbyk> Yay, UPS. <godbyk> Too bad my router and network switches aren't on one. <godbyk> (I should get another for the network stuff.) <ChrisWoollard> anyway. I will talk to you tomorrow / sunday. Maybe I can devise a plan / motivational e-mail for the list to get us support. :) <godbyk> Sounds good. See ya, ChrisWoollard! <ChrisWoollard> goodnight #ubuntu-manual 2010-10-11 <drcooper> i cant "make" the source i downloaded from lp...error is pasted here http://paste.ubuntu.com/510893/ <drcooper> pls help <ChrisWoollard> I think you are missing some files. <nisshh> drcooper, your missing the libertine font <nisshh> drcooper, hang on, ill grab the name of the package you need to install <drcooper> ok nishh <drcooper> ok nisshh <nisshh> drcooper, install these two packages: texlive-fonts-extra and ttf-linux-libertine <nisshh> drcooper, let us know how make goes after that :) <ChrisWoollard> I like the new theme on the paste bin. <nisshh> ChrisWoollard, yea, awesome isnt it :) <ChrisWoollard> now all they have to change is the wiki <nisshh> yea <nisshh> ChrisWoollard, i really hope they do, brown is getting old now <drcooper> nisshh: i had installed tex live 2010 from CD , now when i install thos packages with apt-get it is installing tex all over again...can i prevent that <ChrisWoollard> I know that Canonical are rhonda96@example.net. I just don't know when <nisshh> drcooper, if tex is already installed, it won't install twice, what does it say when you install those two packages? <nisshh> ChrisWoollard, i think it was planned for the maverick cycle, but didnt get done in time, i know manpages.ubuntu.com and several others have been done <drcooper> nisshh: i did not install tex using apt...it says <drcooper> The following extra packages will be installed: <drcooper> lmodern luatex tex-common texlive-base texlive-binaries texlive-common texlive-doc-base texlive-fonts-extra-doc texlive-luatex <nisshh> ah yes <drcooper> and it will take one hour to complete :( <nisshh> drcooper, why install stuff from the CD anyway? any particular reason you are trying to? <nisshh> drcooper, yes it is a large download <drcooper> i had it downloaded hence thought that i wont waste time downloading packages <nisshh> ah <nisshh> drcooper, tex doesnt actually come ON the CD, you would still need to download it <drcooper> nisshh: ya the 2010 texlive iso file was with me already, after installing maverick i thought ok..ill install from the iso rather than downloading packages using apt <nisshh> drcooper, i see <nisshh> drcooper, that iso may not have installed everything you needed <drcooper> apparantly so <drcooper> :( <nisshh> yep <drcooper> it will be done by the time The first session of Openweek is done <nisshh> cool <drcooper> :) <drcooper> "/join #ubuntu-classroom" <drcooper> :) <nisshh> that guy was nice :) <ChrisWoollard> yes <ChrisWoollard> Wasn't somebody going to create a package for texlive 2010 that contains everything needed for the manual? <nisshh> ChrisWoollard, i believe that jenkins did that, but took the PPA down because of a permissions issue, he told me he would have it back up soon <ChrisWoollard> That is probably useful to have. Either that or instructions on how to install everything that is required for the manual. If it is in the package tree or if you need to get some components from elsewhere. <nisshh> ChrisWoollard, yes <ChrisWoollard> I have never actually installed TexLive for use on the manual manually. I have only ever used Jenkins package. <nisshh> ChrisWoollard, ah ok, i have installed it manually with a script 3-4 times now, it is very easy <ChrisWoollard> can i have a copy? is it with Texlive 2010 on Maverick? <nisshh> ChrisWoollard, i use the script referred to on the manual website <ChrisWoollard> ok <nisshh> ChrisWoollard, it grabs the latest texlive from their server :) <ChrisWoollard> is the one in the maverick package tree new enough? <nisshh> ChrisWoollard, dunno actually, so i just tell new people to use that script <nisshh> ChrisWoollard, ill have to remember to ask jenkins about that <ChrisWoollard> Do you know.... This is is the most activity this channel has seen in weeks. <ChrisWoollard> ;) <daker> \o/ <nisshh> lol, yep <ChrisWoollard> it looks like maverick has the same version of texlive 2009 as that which was in jenkins package. <nisshh> ChrisWoollard, ah ok, didnt know that <nisshh> ChrisWoollard, although the fact that maverick doesnt have 2010 is kind of sad <ChrisWoollard> Yes. It should do. <ChrisWoollard> I feel a blueprint for natty coming on <nisshh> ChrisWoollard, hehe <drcooper> i get an error when i build code branched from lp. here is my output http://paste.ubuntu.com/511063/ <drcooper> i have installed all packages and the pkgs/.install-pkgs.sh runs without errors <drcooper> pls help #ubuntu-manual 2010-10-12 <drcooper> i have branched lp:ubuntu-manual, now after editing , i have to commit the changes and then push back to lp...is this right? Is the description of revision that is displayed on Launchpad the commit statement? <nisshh> drcooper, are you using the command line to commit and push back to launchpad? <drcooper> nisshh: yes <nisshh> drcooper, ok, easy as pie <nisshh> all you need to do is pull first: bzr pull <nisshh> once you have done that, then do a: bzr commit -m "Description of my changes." <nisshh> then do a: bzr push <drcooper> nisshh: actually i used the full url to branch as "branch lp:ubuntu-manual" was not working...so i can push back using "bzr push url" ? <nisshh> drcooper, when doing the push and pulls though, you might want to add: lp:ubuntu-manual to the end <nisshh> drcooper, yep <drcooper> nisshh: where should i add lp:ubuntu-manual <drcooper> ? <nisshh> drcooper, dont add it, i thought it was working <nisshh> but since it isnt, do not worry <drcooper> nisshh: ok.. <nisshh> drcooper, what URL did you use to fetch the branch? <drcooper> nisshh: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/maverick <nisshh> drcooper, ah ok, that's fine, just wanted to make sure you were using the right one :) <drcooper> nisshh: ok.. <drcooper> Will ubuntu manual project cover the topice related to netbook edition? <drcooper> *topics <nisshh> drcooper, you mean will we have a manual for the netbook edition? <drcooper> ya <drcooper> or will current manual include topics related to unity <nisshh> drcooper, possibly in the future, although the focus is on stock desktop Ubuntu for now <drcooper> ok <drcooper> nisshh: i get error on pushing http://paste.ubuntu.com/511659/ <drcooper> i get error on pushing http://paste.ubuntu.com/511659/ ... anyone pls help <nisshh> drcooper, easy, you need to use bzr's protocol, replace https with bzr+ssh <drcooper> nisshh: how? <nisshh> drcooper, see where you have the URL to push to? <drcooper> nisshh: ya <drcooper> nisshh: what should i change <nisshh> drcooper, well, make https:// at the start of the URL, look like: bzr+ssh:// instead <nisshh> that should fix your problem <drcooper> nisshh: ok..will try <nisshh> drcooper, do you have an SSH key registered with launchpad? <drcooper> nisshh: ya <nisshh> ok, good <nisshh> drcooper, did it work? <drcooper> nisshh: im using a proxy server to get to the internet...will that affect ur suggestion? <nisshh> drcooper, possibly <drcooper> nisshh: nope...i actually deleted the branch in attempts to fix it <drcooper> nisshh: now i have to branch <drcooper> nisshh: will update you if i have any trouble <nisshh> drcooper, oh nice, you just deleted all your changes too :) <drcooper> nisshh: :( <nisshh> ok, sure <nisshh> drcooper, next time you run into trouble, just leave stuff as is when asking for help, that way you wont lose your changes next time :) <drcooper> nisshh: got it <nisshh> drcooper, got the branch? <nisshh> lol * nisshh waves :) <nisshh> i think someone clicked the wrong close button :) <bilalakhtar> nisshh: drcooper looks like he just dived into development :) <bilalakhtar> nisshh: btw, you could join my session about Ubuntu development tomorrow in the UOW! <nisshh> bilalakhtar, yes drcooper has <nisshh> bilalakhtar, and yes, i will be at your session (didnt know you were running one!) :) * nisshh checks the schedule <drcooper> nisshh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/511698/ <drcooper> nisshh: but nothing is seen in lp <nisshh> drcooper, oh-oh, you created a NEW branch <nisshh> bad idea <nisshh> you need to push your changes to the existing one <drcooper> but where is the new branch even if i did create one <drcooper> nisshh: but where is the new branch even if i did create one <nisshh> drcooper, at that link most likely, give me a moment to figure out what you did <drcooper> nisshh: without the --create-prefix , i get error parent direcories missing...you may add ---create-prefix to create them <nisshh> drcooper, also, you forgot the colon after bzr+ssh <nisshh> drcooper, don't just do what bzr says, it is not always the best solution :) <drcooper> nisshh: hmm <nisshh> drcooper, use this command to grab the right branch: bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual <drcooper> that doesnt work for me <nisshh> drcooper, and use this command when pushing: bzr push lp:ubuntu-manual <nisshh> drcooper, what? does it come up with an error or something? <nisshh> drcooper, works fine for me <drcooper> nisshh: bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist. <nisshh> drcooper, aha, i know that error <drcooper> nisshh: solution <drcooper> ? <nisshh> drcooper, can i have a link to your lp profile? <nisshh> drcooper, one sec, just need to check something first <drcooper> nisshh: https://launchpad.net/~rohitr <nisshh> drcooper, ok, one moment <nisshh> drcooper, can you please run this command and pastebin the output: cat .bazaar/authentication.conf <drcooper> nisshh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/511710/ <nisshh> drcooper, ok, now run these two commands, this one first: bzr launchpad-login rohitr <drcooper> the actual error i get is http://paste.ubuntu.com/511709/ <drcooper> i have done that nisshh <nisshh> drcooper, ah, that is a slightly different error <drcooper> what if i change method from ssh to http or https <nisshh> drcooper, no, use ssh <drcooper> nisshh: what if i change method from ssh to http or https <drcooper> nisshh: ok <nisshh> drcooper, can you go to the branch's directory and: cat .bzr/branch/branch.conf <nisshh> and pastebin the output please <nisshh> i think i know EXACTLY what is wrong now <nisshh> just want to know for sure <drcooper> nisshh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/511720/ <nisshh> drcooper, ok, try this to pull: bzr pull bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/ <nisshh> if that doesnt work, i have something else you can try <drcooper> error : not a branch <drcooper> nisshh: i think thats not the link to the branch <drcooper> nisshh: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/maverick/ <drcooper> is <nisshh> drcooper, no it isnt <nisshh> drcooper, that is the link that bzr keeps trying to use, but it isnt working <drcooper> i should us it to push right? nisshh <nisshh> wait a sec <nisshh> drcooper, when you branch a fresh branch from launchpad, are you running the command from inside another branch? or just a normal directory? <nisshh> drcooper, because it should not keep history when branching a new branch <drcooper> normal dir nisshh <nisshh> hmmm <nisshh> drcooper, ok, try this: bzr branch bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/maverick/ <nisshh> if THAT doesnt work, then im going to facepalm <drcooper> nisshh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/511726/ <drcooper> :( <drcooper> ssh isnt picking up my proxy i guess <nisshh> drcooper, yep, your proxy is the problem <nisshh> apparently to get bzr to work with it, you will need to fiddle with your .bashrc <drcooper> nisshh: so i cant contribute to any project ? <nisshh> drcooper, yes you can <nisshh> drcooper, any reason why you need the proxy? <drcooper> nisshh: im in an institute and we can get to internet only through the proxy <nisshh> drcooper, ah bugger <nisshh> drcooper, hang on a sec, ill consult one of my knowledgeable friends in another channel :) <drcooper> nisshh: ok <nisshh> drcooper, he says it is possible, just annoyingly difficult <popey> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/509543 <manualbot> Launchpad bug 509543 in bzr "not able to branch from launchpad behind proxy (squid) (dup-of: 186920)" [Undecided,Fix released] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 186920 in bzr "bzr xmlrpc client doesn't use http proxy, causing network errors trying to resolve lp: urls" [High,Fix released] <nisshh> popey, ah, thanks <drcooper> nisshh, popey my bzr is version 2.2 , the fix mentioned is to upgrade to 2.1 <nisshh> drcooper, there is an environment variable you should set <drcooper> nisshh: which one <nisshh> drcooper, but first, do you know for sure if your proxy allows ssh connections? <drcooper> nisshh: i do not know <drcooper> nisshh: it doesnt let mail clients work <nisshh> drcooper, if it doesnt, you have no hope unless you appeal to whoever manages the proxy server <drcooper> nisshh: :( <popey> drcooper: do you have an ssh server outside the network? <popey> preferably running on port 443? <popey> http://popey.com/blog/2010/02/25/proxies-in-the-way-of-testing/ <nisshh> popey, drcooper is at an institute behind a proxy server, seems unlikely :| <drcooper> popey: im not aware of one <popey> no, you misunderstand <popey> I'm asking if you have a VPS or other 'server' outside <popey> like where you host your website <nisshh> i see <nisshh> popey, to test the proxy? is that what your thinking? <drcooper> nisshh, popey im lost <popey> ok, simple question drcooper, do you have access to a server which has ssh server installed, which is on the internet somewhere, _outside_ your organisation? <drcooper> popey i do not have... <popey> ok, forget that suggestion then :) <drcooper> popey nisshh is ssh necessory to run bzr push? <popey> pass <nisshh> drcooper, just finding out now, i certainly have never tried it <nisshh> drcooper, just try: bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/maverick <nisshh> drcooper, if that doesnt work, i give up sorry :( <drcooper> nisshh: that works <drcooper> nisshh: push does not <nisshh> drcooper, ah ok <nisshh> drcooper, what error does it come up with when you push? <popey> not surprised push fails <popey> no authentication <drcooper> nisshh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/511736/ <nisshh> popey, exactly <nisshh> drcooper, yep, looks like ssh is required, because of launchpad authentication <drcooper> im so screwed <nisshh> drcooper, sorry i am unable to help more, i suggest you get in touch with whoever administers your proxy server, and ask them to enable ssh over it <nisshh> drcooper, also, see the last comment in that bug report that popey linked to :) <drcooper> nisshh: is ssh even trying to contact the proxy server? <nisshh> that has an environment variable that you can set that may work <nisshh> drcooper, no idea <popey> drcooper: not if you dont tell it to <popey> i use ssh through a proxy server here, but it requires some very specific configuration <popey> if you haven't done that configuration, it flat out wont work <nisshh> i see <drcooper> popey : how to do that <nisshh> proxy servers are annoying :| <popey> drcooper: as I said, you need a server outside your network <drcooper> ohh <drcooper> :( <nisshh> drcooper, do you live at this institute? or do you have access to computers outside of it? <drcooper> nisshh: i live in the campus <nisshh> drcooper, ah ok <popey> I'm afriad I can't help without a box outside your network <nisshh> same <nisshh> makes it very difficult * nisshh goes and watches a movie * drcooper will have to do that for the rest of his time in the damned institute <drcooper> thants 2.5 years :( <drcooper> is there any alternate way other than bzr...popey...to contribute? <drcooper> contribute code <nisshh> drcooper, not really :( <nisshh> drcooper, you could always just hunt for bugs or something <nisshh> drcooper, which won't require bzr <drcooper> nisshh: i was really pumped up to start contributing code and now this :( <nisshh> drcooper, it happens, i know :| <drcooper> nisshh, popey how come my bzr launchpad-login works? it uses https? * dutchie is now a proud thinkpad owner <popey> Success! Wrote 166 pages <popey> drcooper: its still possible to contribute from behind a proxy <drcooper> popey how <popey> well, you can find bugs, check the source code out and build the packages locally to test them, then create patches and attach those to the bug report <popey> which is exactly what we ask people to do when they're patching code <drcooper> popey will this ( http://shells.red-pill.eu/ ) help to fix my problem as u mentioned? <drcooper> popey can i use myfreedom to tunnel th proxy? <drcooper> popey i meant "yourfreedom" <popey> i have never used that shell account provider <popey> i personally have a VPS I use <popey> which I have an SSH server running on port 443 <drcooper> popey: i got it working <drcooper> :) #ubuntu-manual 2010-10-13 <nisshh> rickspencer3, thanks for assigning me to that UDS blueprint :) <rickspencer3> nisshh, you can change it if you want ;) <nisshh> rickspencer3, no, that's fine, curious as to why you assigned me though <rickspencer3> nisshh, well, you seemed like you liked working on it <nisshh> rickspencer3, ah i see, yes, seems appropriate then, mterry just told me about the session at UDS for the manual :) #ubuntu-manual 2010-10-14 <Andre_Gondim> godbyk, I finish the translation in pt_BR on https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1 may you check it if has any error? <Andre_Gondim> Why isn't there a manual ubuntu page's in pt_BR? <godbyk> Andre_Gondim: Sure! It'll take a little while for all the translations to be updated, but I'll message you when it's complete. <Andre_Gondim> thanks godbyk ;) <godbyk> Andre_Gondim: No problem. Thanks for reminding me! :) <godbyk> Andre_Gondim: Ready for the list of errors? <Andre_Gondim> godbyk, yeah <godbyk> String 232: the final } should be a ) <godbyk> (is it easier if I give you string numbers or bits of text?) <Andre_Gondim> it's good to me <godbyk> 'kay. <Andre_Gondim> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1/+pots/ubuntu-manual/pt_BR/232/+translate <Andre_Gondim> 232 doesn't have } or ) <godbyk> string 57: the first 'Porta Ethernet' should be left untranslated as 'Ethernet port'. <godbyk> let me look. <godbyk> okay, weird. I guess the string numbers I have don't align with those. <godbyk> there goes the easy way. :-) <godbyk> for the ethernet port bug, search for "\newglossaryentry{Porta Ethernet}" <Andre_Gondim> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1/+pots/ubuntu-manual/pt_BR/57/+translate there isn't the error <godbyk> for the first but, search for: (clicando nele uma vez} <Andre_Gondim> ok, I will look for <Andre_Gondim> anything else godbyk ? <godbyk> \newglossaryentry{conexÃ£o sem fios} should be \newglossaryentry{wireless connection} <Andre_Gondim> ok <godbyk> change \list{Que tipo de conta vocÃª possui?} to \dropdown{Que tipo de conta vocÃª possui?} <godbyk> change \drop-down{Protocolo} to \dropdown{Protocolo} <godbyk> change \button[Salvar} to \button{Salvar} <godbyk> change \button[Cancelar} to \button{Cancelar} <godbyk> change \drop-down{Conta} to \dropdown{Conta} <godbyk> change \window[Chamada} to \window{Chamada} <godbyk> (multiple places for that last one) <godbyk> mutiple places for the Conta dropdown, too <godbyk> in fact, change all \drop-down to \dropdown. <godbyk> change all \Idots to \ldots (capital I to lowercase l). <godbyk> change \keystrok{Ctrl+Q} to \keystroke{Ctrl+Q} <godbyk> change \gls{Ã¡rea de notificaÃ§Ã£o} to \gls{notification area} <godbyk> change (normalmente na parte superior-direita da sua tela} to (normalmente na parte superior-direita da sua tela) <godbyk> Change \menu \then Importar pasta} to \menu{SOMETHING GOES HERE \then Importar pasta} <godbyk> change \emph{Remover da lista de reproduÃ§Ã£o}} to \emph{Remover da lista de reproduÃ§Ã£o} <godbyk> change \textbd to \textbf <godbyk> change \dropwdown to \dropdown <godbyk> remove the closing } from \marginnote{Arquivos temporÃ¡rios sÃ£o salvos na pasta /tmp por padrÃ£o} <godbyk> change \dropdrown to \dropdown <godbyk> (in a few places) <godbyk> change \buton to \button <godbyk> change Digitalizador simples_. to Digitalizador simples}. <godbyk> change \glspl{pacotes} to \glspl{package} <godbyk> it's complaining about things with the paragraph containing "deixando assim por agora. --jaminday", but I don't know why it's complaining. I'll have to come back to this error after we've fixed the others. <godbyk> change \notecallout[DefiniÃ§Ã£o] Um \acronym{PPA} to \notecallout[DefiniÃ§Ã£o]{Um \acronym{PPA} <godbyk> that's all I've got at the moment. <godbyk> the paragraph with jaminday's comment will need to be revisited after the other errors have been fixed. (something in there confused latex, so it's possible there's other errors after that but latex gave up.) <Andre_Gondim> godbyk, ok, I fixed <godbyk> Andre_Gondim: Great! <Andre_Gondim> just missing this paragraph, I didn't understaind the error <godbyk> I'll try to run it again tomorrow and see what other errors exist. <godbyk> (It takes a while for Launchpad to process the translations so I can download them again.) <godbyk> Andre_Gondim: You may not see the jaminday paragraph as it's a comment. <godbyk> So we'll forget about that one until tomorrow. <Andre_Gondim> ok <Andre_Gondim> I will go to me bed, see you godbyk and thanks for helping ;) <godbyk> G'night, Andre_Gondim. Thanks for your work on the translations! <Infosoft> Hey! What's wrong with Launchpad? I'm translating after a long inactivity period and I've suddenly noticed that after submitting translations, some of them dissappears after few days (some of them after 10 min.). I know that they aren't marked as suggestions and I always mark them as new translations so that they would be normally saved. This is starting to annoy me. :) <Infosoft> It might be Ubuntu or Ubuntu's Firefox bug, because when I was translating with Arch Linux + Google Chrome then everything was okay. <Infosoft> \QUIT <Infosoft> Ups, sorry... <daker> flan, are you there ? <daker> take a look at the proposed countdown lp:~adnane002/quickshot/countdown <ChrisWoollard> godbyk: ping <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: pong <ChrisWoollard> just out of interest. did you remove main.po from lucid-e1 <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: no. there's never been a main.po. I think the Makefile is screwed up. <ChrisWoollard> i was trying to build the nl version for hannie. <godbyk> Ah. Launchpad just emailed me the translations, so I'll update them and get the built. (It'll take ~30 minutes for all of them to build, I think.) <ChrisWoollard> it seems to build if i do a make ubuntu-manual-nl.pdf <ChrisWoollard> cool. That would be useful. <godbyk> I need to fix the builds.ubuntu-manual.org page to show builds for lucid-e1, e2, and maverick, too. Haven't gotten around to it. <ChrisWoollard> that is cool. <ChrisWoollard> i guess nobody has requested one for a while <godbyk> I updated them yesterday for Andre and gave him a list of errors that needed to be fixed in the Brazilian Portuguese translation. <godbyk> But it had been quite some time before that since they've been updated. <godbyk> Building translations now... <godbyk> I'll let you know when they're complete. <ChrisWoollard> thanks <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: translations are done building (though the builds page is not being updated correctly. my build script is apparently buggy). <godbyk> I've emailed Hannie the .log and .pdf files for the Dutch translation. <ChrisWoollard> That is good. Thanks <godbyk> now I have to get back to battling with my C++ compiler. (we're having a disagreement over whether a struct has been defined.) <ChrisWoollard> Ok, Have fun <ChrisWoollard> or not <dutchie> godbyk: eww, C++ <ChrisWoollard> could be worse... could be asm. <godbyk> dutchie: C++: Better than C. <godbyk> :) <godbyk> That's about the only good thing I have to say about it. <ChrisWoollard> It's also not C# <godbyk> I actually kinda like C#. <dutchie> godbyk: nah, C > C++ <dutchie> i have been trying to learn C# <godbyk> dutchie: C++ subsumes C, so it's obviously better. I mean, it's right there in the name! :-) <dutchie> er, obviously #ubuntu-manual 2010-10-15 <Andre_Gondim> godbyk, if you have any news about that lucid1 pt-br ;) #ubuntu-manual 2010-10-16 <hannie> ping godbyk <hannie> godbyk ping <hannie> A static copy of the translated manual is created: make ubuntu-manual-LANG.tex. <hannie> How do I make a tex.-file <dutchie> hannie: you have to just type "make" to build the main manual first iirc <dutchie> or that could be something else <hannie> wait a minute, I am trying to understand this <hannie> Where do I type "make" <hannie> What is iirc? <hannie> btw, are you Dutch? <dutchie> no <nigelb> If I recall correctly - IIRC <dutchie> iirc == if i remember correctly <nigelb> you type make in the terminal <hannie> iirc ==? <dutchie> is the same as, it's a programming language thing <nisshh> dutchie, now your just confusing poor hannie :) <hannie> Yes, poor me <dutchie> yes, sorry hannie * dutchie goes off to do important University Stuff <nisshh> hannie, so what is the issue? <hannie> Let me try to follow you: <hannie> In the terminal I type: <hannie> make naam.tex (but from what? The saved Dutch .po file on my pc?) <nisshh> hannie, you want to create a pdf of the manual in dutch, am i right? <hannie> nisshh, right <nisshh> hannie, one moment, ill check the website <hannie> nisshh, I will send you a link in a moment <hannie> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/translationtodo <hannie> Step 7 <nisshh> hannie, ah, that is when the final PDF's are generated <nisshh> hannie, what you want to do in a terminal is: make ubuntu-manual-LANG.pdf <hannie> Ok, I went through steps 1-3 <hannie> I corrected all the mistakes I could find <hannie> My collegue will do the screenshots, so I cannot say when those are ready <nisshh> hannie, if you want to generate a PDF of your current dutch translation run in a terminal: make ubuntu-manual-LANG.pdf <nisshh> that SHOULD work <hannie> Thanks, nisshh, I will try it in a moment and let you know the result <nisshh> ok <nisshh> hannie, you have installed latex/tex already right? <hannie> No <nisshh> oh, then it wont work <hannie> I will try to install it via Software centre <nisshh> hannie, no, wait <nisshh> hannie, there is a better way <hannie> I wait <hannie> The translation is on Launchpad <nisshh> hannie, and i don't think the version in maverick (or lucid, if that's what your using) works <hannie> Maverick <nisshh> hannie, oh, i see, so the dutch translation is not in the bzr branch? <hannie> I have no idea what the bzr branch is :'( <nisshh> hannie, i see, best if you talk to godbyk then <nisshh> godbyk, ping, see above <hannie> Should it be ping godbyk or godbyk ping? <hannie> I tried both, but there was no answer <nisshh> hannie, well, he needs to see it on his screen, he might be asleep or something :) <nisshh> or just afk <hannie> Yes, if he lives in the US he will still be sleeping <nisshh> yep <godbyk> I was just about to head to bed. (My sound wasn't turned on, sorry.) <hannie> Thank you for your help, nisshh <nisshh> hannie, just hang out in the channel here for a while, he will get it eventually <godbyk> hannie: You'll have to install TeX Live first. <nisshh> no probs :) <nisshh> ah, the beat is awake! <nisshh> beast* <hannie> ok, godbyk, I have sent an e-mail to the list <godbyk> You can follow the instructions here: http://ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved/authors#install-tl2009 <hannie> I will, good night to you <godbyk> (The latest version is 2010, but those same instructions should still work.) <hannie> godbyk, I have corrected all the !'s from the log <nisshh> godbyk, something i have been meaning to ask you, does the maverick version of tex live let you compile the manual? or should the script to grab the latest still be used? <godbyk> hannie: Ping me again tomorrow and I'll walk you through fixing the errors. <godbyk> hannie: ah, great! I'll download your new translation from Launchpad when I wake up and build a new PDF for you. <godbyk> nisshh: I think the Maverick versions are still missing some of the tex packages we need. <hannie> How many hours difference between your country and France (where I live?) <godbyk> nisshh: So for now, I'd stick with the script. <nisshh> godbyk, right, thanks <godbyk> hannie: I'm in the US/Central time zone (UTC -0500). <godbyk> (it's 04:35 here.) <hannie> Ok, I will keep that in mind. Thanks so far. email works as well <godbyk> hannie: Thanks for your help with the translation! <godbyk> Good night, everyone. <hannie> good night <Infosoft> Hey, everyone! :) <Muscovy> Hello. #ubuntu-manual 2010-10-17 <thorwil> godbyk: rather interesting haskell package: http://hackage.haskell.org/package/gitit <godbyk> thorwil: that does look neat. <thorwil> godbyk: seems it does a lot of what we would want. but i guess we don't have anyone even remotely fluent in haskell ^^ <godbyk> thorwil: it seems unlikely. daker has pointed out other similar systems written in other languages, though. <godbyk> I think I have the links in my email inbox someplace. <thorwil> for a design/artwork hub kind of site, it would make sense to put everything into a vcs, too. but you would need a database for faceted navigation/search <godbyk> Yeah. Is there any progress on SparklePony or whatever? <thorwil> sparkleshare is alive and kicking, i think <godbyk> cool <thorwil> or did you actually meand fedora's designhub? <godbyk> maybe it was the design hub. <thorwil> sparkleshare is a dropbox-like thing <godbyk> I thought SparklePony was the design hub and SparkleShare was a dropbox clone. <godbyk> right. <godbyk> Too many sparkles! <godbyk> Yeah, the design hub: http://live.gnome.org/UsabilityProject/Whiteboard/DesignHub (plus all of MÃ¡irÃ­n's blog entries) <thorwil> designhub is on hold. mizmo doesn't have the time to do some missing design, blocking the developer. though i wouldn't count on the developer, as this was a training session <godbyk> I see. <godbyk> When you were talking about what should be done to replace the artwork wiki pages, I thought of MÃ¡irÃ­n's design hub idea. <thorwil> of course <dutchie> i have learnt a small amount of haskell <thorwil> godbyk: i would have to do some conceptual work to even be sure in how far designhub would fit the bill. my gut feeling is just no, though <godbyk> Woohoo! dutchie's in charge of it then, thorwil. <thorwil> lol <thorwil> it's great how on my post mentioning several frameworks in interesting languages, i got 2 comments in favor of django with no other arguments than familiarity and it making things "easy" <godbyk> thorwil: I noticed that. <thorwil> the developer of seaside (smalltalk) worked with ruby, python, java and a few others. guess there can't be many people like that around <godbyk> Usually you know one or two languages really well and only have time to dabble with the rest. <godbyk> Unfortunately, the language I have to work with most the time is C++. <thorwil> ah, the language almost no one understands from a to z ^^ <quickshot> Hi all, I'm trying to make some screenshots for the manual but quickshot keeps showing "please wait while the screenshot list is downloaded" <godbyk> quickshot: Which edition of the manual are you working on? lucid-e1, e2, or maverick? <godbyk> (e1 and e2 have the same screenshots. maverick hasn't been setup yet [as far as I know]) <quickshot> e1 for dutch <quickshot> I've had this cd for quite some time, did something change recently? <godbyk> quickshot: I'm not sure if they've changed anything recently or not. It looks like all of the Dutch screenshots have been taken except for 01-first-slide, though. <godbyk> And I don't think you can take 01-first-slide with quickshot. (I think it's a screenshot of the installation program's first slide.) <godbyk> quickshot: You can download the Dutch screenshots from here <http://screenshots.ubuntu-manual.org/data/nl.zip> and double-check that they're all correct. <godbyk> If you notice any errors, ping flan and he should be able to help you out. <quickshot> godbyk: I think they are all correct. But how can we get the one missing screenshot? <godbyk> quickshot: Good question. I'd ask flan. :-) <godbyk> He's our Quickshot developer. <quickshot> flan: Hi, I'm having some problems with getting 01-first-slide screenshot for the dutch language, it looks like Quickshot is unable to fetch the screenshot-list from the server <quickshot> looks like flan is not here, I'll join again from my regular install * trijntje is quickshot <Hannie> ping godbyk <Hannie> Can anyone help me on this: <Hannie> PATH=/usr/local/texlive/2010/bin/i386-linux:$PATH <Hannie> Use the syntax for your shell, your installation directory, and your binary platform name instead of i386-linux. <daker> may be it should be like this <daker> $ PATH=/usr/local/texlive/2010/bin/i386-linux:$PATH; export PATH <nisshh> Hannie, you shouldnt have to set your PATH when installing tex using the instructions on the website <Hannie> Hi nisshh, I thought so too, Let me give you some information: <nisshh> sure <Hannie> After the installation finishes, you must add the TeX Live binary directory to your PATHâexcept on Windows, where the installer takes care of this. For example: <Hannie> PATH=/usr/local/texlive/2010/bin/i386-linux:$PATH <Hannie> Use the syntax for your shell, your installation directory, and your binary platform name instead of i386-linux. <nisshh> Hannie, where are you getting that from? <Hannie> Let me see: <Hannie> http://tug.org/texlive/quickinstall.html <nisshh> Hannie, ah, remember yesterday i said use the ubuntu-manual.org instructions? <nisshh> MUCH easier than installing the whole lot by hand <Hannie> I have followed this: <Hannie> http://ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved/authors#install-tl2009 <Hannie> Step-by-step <nisshh> Hannie, yep, so why are you setting your PATH it doesnt need to be set if you use the script <Hannie> Because in Bash ist says Tex is not installed <Hannie> *it <nisshh> Hannie, ah i see <Hannie> Checking TeX Live version...No version of TeX Live was detected. <Hannie> It appears that you do not have TeX Live 2009 installed. Pleas <nisshh> Hannie, when you ran the installation script, did you enable the "create symlinks to standard directories" option? <nisshh> if you don't, that script thinks tex isnt installed :) <Hannie> Can I do that afterwards? <nisshh> happened to me the first time, then godbyk found the problem, and let me know for next time :) <nisshh> Hannie, yep, but i forgot how lol :) <nisshh> Hannie, best bet: ask godbyk :) <nisshh> godbyk, ping <Hannie> I just ran the installation with the letter "I" <Hannie> No questions were asked about symlinks <nisshh> Hannie, yea, that works ok, but you just need to explore the script options a bit more, it is in there ;) <nisshh> no, you have to search for it <nisshh> and enable it manually <Hannie> You are very funny, I am as green as an apple in this <nisshh> hehe <dutchie> Hannie: that is a lovely figure of speech <Hannie> I will send a mail to the
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