#ubuntustudio-devel 2010-08-01 <ScottL> holstein, that's super cool that you have someone that close to help you <crimsun> ScottL: I blame scons on the i386 vm for that build failure <crimsun> ScottL: the ardour SRU built just dandy in my local i386 sbuild (non-vm) <crimsun> ScottL: so, I wonder what sort of nasty hack we have to use to get it not to FTBFS on the buildd sbuilds :( <ScottL> crimsun, hmmm, i'm not sure how much help i can be for that, i'll do what i can do though <TheMuso> Oh man, ardour, scons, and FTBFs again? * TheMuso sighs <TheMuso> I have a strong dislike for scons. * TheMuso remembers crobarring ardour in the past, just to get the damn thing to build. <TheMuso> On a brighter note, thanks to /etc/security/limits.d, we no longer have to funky regexp work to set up audio/mem/rtprio information. <TheMuso> to do funky regexp work. * TheMuso has taken care of the above with a new ubuntustudio-meta upload. #ubuntustudio-devel 2010-08-02 <ScottL> crimsun, jussi persia stochastic TheMuso : i would like to get your opinions on the network-admin bug #570828 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 570828 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) "gnome-network-admin on UbuntuStudio doesnt allow to configure either wired networks or wireless" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/570828 <ScottL> basically, the UI has been removed that allows network configuration because network-manager was implemented and they wanted only one place to make the configuration <ScottL> i have not had much luck in either fixing the problem or getting someone already involved to fix it <ScottL> so i was thinking that perhaps we should drop in network-manager as a replacement for network-admin in the last alpha and test it <ScottL> if we don't see too many adverse effects perhaps we might consider using network-manager as default <ScottL> thoughts? <crimsun> hmm. That's a tough one. I think replacing g-n-a with n-m is the way to go. <crimsun> In the end, if the issues lie in the kernel and in n-m, they need to be fixed for everyone. <TheMuso> crimsun: Agreed. We already ship nm-applet, not hard to move it to desktop. <TheMuso> crimsun: BTW, do you have a pointer to your ossproxy packaging anywhere? Would like to test/get it into maverick. <scott-work> it looks like the qjackctl ports-rename SRU is marked as "fix released"...yay <scott-work> thank you again crimsun for you help doing that :) <scott-work> it feels good to substantially improve the quality of the release for a LTS version <scott-work> TheMuso: did you know that phonon is installed on the ubuntu studio ISO? <falktx> hm, scott-work, really? <falktx> phonon is a qt/kde thing <scott-work> lol falktx i just posted in OSM to you <falktx> hehe, cool <scott-work> yeah, /pool/main/p/phonon/libphonon4_4.7.0really4.4.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb /pool/main/p/phonon/phonon-backend-xine_4.7.0really4.4.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb /pool/main/p/phonon/phonon_4.7.0really4.4.2-0ubuntu1_all.deb <scott-work> or in readable human english <falktx> oh, and xine as well I suppose <scott-work> libphonon4_4.7.0really4.4.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb <falktx> scott-work: look for xine too <scott-work> phonon-backend-xine_4.7.0really4.4.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb <scott-work> phonon_4.7.0really4.4.2-0ubuntu1_all.deb <scott-work> hmmm, libxine1-bin_156.14.161.142-4ubuntu3_i386.deb libxine1-console_156.14.161.142-4ubuntu3_i386.deb libxine1-misc-plugins_156.14.161.142-4ubuntu3_i386.deb libxine1-x_156.14.161.142-4ubuntu3_i386.deb libxine1_156.14.161.142-4ubuntu3_i386.deb <falktx> that's too bad for a gnome distro <falktx> which app is pulling those? <scott-work> i don't know and not sure how to find it other than hunt and peck <falktx> scott-work: any "kde" packages ? <falktx> kdelibs5 for example? <scott-work> falktx: no kde other than "disKDEfines" <scott-work> i'm guessing totem might be pulling xine in? <falktx> yep, i'm looking at the list now <falktx> totem has both gstreamer and xine backends <falktx> i'm sure it's not totem <falktx> probably qt libs instead <falktx> scott-work: do you have a recent install of ubuntustudio? <scott-work> i'm at work so not at the moment <falktx> you can easily check there which package is pulling the xine/phonon thing... <falktx> oh <falktx> i can install it now to test <falktx> downloading the latest iso, I'll install it on virtualbox and check this for you <scott-work> sweet :) <falktx> enterprise internet is awesome! <scott-work> lol <falktx> 1m to complete download <falktx> hehe, 7.0Mb/s <falktx> done, installing it now <scott-work> are you going to use 'rdepends' to find this? <falktx> synaptic <falktx> gui is better <falktx> scott-work: the installation failed, cannot find kernel <falktx> i'll try to install even without kernel, but that will cause issues of course <falktx> should be enough for this xine/phonon thing too <scott-work> hmmm, interesting that the kernel failed :( <falktx> another error about aptitude <falktx> "Can't exec 'aptitude': No such file or..." <falktx> afaik, aptitude was removed from default ubuntu installs <falktx> why does ubuntustudio still needs it? <falktx> installation failed! I'll try reinstall <falktx> scott-work: ubuntustudio is uninstallable <falktx> 1st error - cannot find kernel <falktx> 2nd error - trying to use aptitude while it's not installed anymore, gives errors after setting user password <falktx> the 2nd error is the worse, the installation just stops <falktx> I'll install the "command-line only" option, then checking the ubuntustudio packages to see what pushes phonon <falktx> scott-work: it seems like all ubuntu alternate cds are now broken... :(( <falktx> (maverick only, lucid is still fine) <scott-work> falktx: most disturbing, i wonder if the server ISO is broken also, i will download a daily of both server-alternate and ubuntustudio for maverick tonight and see <falktx> i think it's because of the aptitude removal <falktx> the kernel not found i'm not sure <scott-work> this might be slightly bad since we are scheduled to release the next alpha ISO this Friday i think <scott-work> i wonder if this is a problem with installing in VM or just a problem holistically <falktx> the aptitude error is bad, i'm sure it will happen to everyone <scott-work> i wonder if this is a transitory problem, it would surprise me if no one thought about this being a problem at Canonical or with one of the core-devs involved <falktx> probably ubuntu changed the aptitude thing on their alternate cds <falktx> for what i can tell, scripts are ran when installing from an alternate cd <falktx> one of those scripts has "aptitude" in line 2 <falktx> since aptitude is no longer in ubuntu-minimal package (installed before the kernel), <falktx> everything else will fail for those who depends on aptitude <scott-work> falktx: you downloaded from the daily? <falktx> scott-work: yes, daily/current * abogani_ waves <scott-work> hi abogani :) <holstein> w00t * holstein started using abogani 's kernel PPA <scott-work> hi holstein :) <scott-work> bye holstein :) <TheMuso> ScottL: Yes, kde apps pull it in. #ubuntustudio-devel 2010-08-03 <ScottL> hi troy, read your latest and like it <ScottL> i've been working on a bigger sized post and should be through soon which should be followed by a few shorter ones, even talking about blender :) <ScottL> TheMuso, i heard Poettering talking today about systemd, he really impressed himself with his work on it :P <TheMuso> ScottL: Yeah I've heard about it. <ScottL> i knew you about systemd already, you and talked briefly about it before, but it was a little weird hearing him fawn over his own work though (even if it is good) <TheMuso> Lennart is good at doing that. <ScottL> TheMuso, question about working with the seeds <TheMuso> ScottL: Sure. <ScottL> should multiple changes be broken between different versions? <ScottL> e.g. adding lv2 applications and perhaps hydrogen-drumkits <ScottL> TheMuso, i guess my question could be better asked as...should disparate changes be avoided in the same branch revision for clarity ? <TheMuso> ScottL: No, as long as you clearly state in the ocmmit message what has been changed, thats fine. <ScottL> TheMuso, it may appear that i am asymptotically approaching adding things to the seeds but i want to make sure i have some time afterwards to fix anything that might go wrong <ScottL> hopefully this week though it will be done :) <TheMuso> ScottL: ok cool. <TheMuso> ScottL: Let me know when its done, and I'll upload a new ubuntustudio-meta package. <ScottL> TheMuso, did you read anything that falktx mentioned earlier about aptitude and it causing the installation to fail? aptitude should still be in the repos I would imagine, just not shipped with desktop <ScottL> i've already downloaded the server ISO and am downloading the daily studio ISO and will test at least the server ISO tonight, my guess is that it was him installing in VM though <TheMuso> ScottL: no I didn't, but afaik aptitude is not shipped by default, even ni Studio. <TheMuso> in <ScottL> TheMuso, this link shows that aptitude_0.6.3-2ubuntu3_i386.deb is included: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/daily/current/maverick-alternate-i386.list <TheMuso> hrm ok * TheMuso checks seeds. <TheMuso> hrm not sure what pulls it in. <ScottL> TheMuso, i discovered some other information...aptitude-523-777-4502 has been in maverick since 4/9/10 but replaced by a series of builds that failed or had dependency issues <ScottL> aptitude-0.3.2-2ubuntu3 was finally release 7/30/10 or three days ago <ScottL> *shrug* maybe something is up with aptitude <ScottL> i'm downloading the ubuntustudio-maverick ISO tonight and tomorrow i'll try to install it <ScottL> err, that should be aptitude-0.6.3-2ubuntu3 released 7/30/10 #ubuntustudio-devel 2010-08-04 <ScottL> TheMuso, just an FYI, i've installed both the ubuntu alternate and studio (alpha3) and did not experience any problems with install (aptitude) :) <ScottL> i'm not sure what problem falktx was having, i'm still guessing because it was in VM *shrug* <TheMuso> ScottL: ok <TheMuso> right * abogani waves #ubuntustudio-devel 2010-08-05 <troy_s> ScottL: Shame. You have died and quit blogging. <ScottL> troy_s, no, no...i'm just finishing up a few other items, tasks really, then i'm at it again <ScottL> troy_s, i've got one in the can, just wanted to put some distance between me and it before i do a final read <ScottL> troy_s, then i'm going to do a quick video using blender, just a proof-of-concept, and i'll blog about it...using the node editor and such <ScottL> troy_s, it'll be fun and a gas, people will laugh and cry, lovers with love, and i'll be on higher ground <ScottL> the last two things i want to do will be answer interview questions for The Fridge (look, i used capital letters again, that's important) and finish the final recordings for a song i've been working on <ScottL> troy_s, it's mad, crazy, but in the past four days i've already got the germination for three new songs, now that i'm writing and recording again it's starting to flow <ScottL> troy_s, plus i've been knocking around with some logo stuff for ubuntu studio, i'll be posting something about that soon as well <ScottL> been listening to a lot of Sly and the Family Stone lately....good stuff, puts hair on your chest <TheMuso> ScottL: That stuff with blender sounds awesome. <troy_s> TheMuso: Greets Luke. Long time no chatty. <TheMuso> troy_s: Indeed. <troy_s> TheMuso: How have you been? <troy_s> TheMuso: You still working at Canonical? <TheMuso> troy_s: Busy, but otherwise well thanks. <TheMuso> troy_s: Yes. <troy_s> TheMuso: How's that going? <TheMuso> troy_s: Quite well thanks. <ScottL> TheMuso, yeah, i'm pretty excited because first it will be hella cool plus no one is blogging about it so i think i might get a small series of posts about making it work <ScottL> TheMuso, i'm talking about using the node editor in blender for video <TheMuso> ScottL: I'd be rather interested in that actually <ScottL> TheMuso, i had already mentioned to troy_s that in about three or four weeks i have a friend from work that will bring his HD camera (which beats the shit out of my $300 camcorder) and record me for about an hour <TheMuso> heh cool. <TheMuso> Any wirtten instructions anywhere?> <TheMuso> written <troy_s> ScottL: If you get interested enough, the T2i's are extremely affordable. <ScottL> i'm going to try to put about four separate me's into the same shot playing the same song (the one i'm desparately trying to finish) <ScottL> TheMuso, this is the only thing (and i mean the ONLY) thing on the web that i've found about really using blender's node editor for movies <ScottL> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9831 <ScottL> at least for explaining it <TheMuso> ah ok. <troy_s> I've done a handful of tests with it. <troy_s> Mostly for other folks. <troy_s> And of course, my own projects. <ScottL> troy_s, we'll see how this movie goes, i might need to upgrade the computer first, but i'm thinking about doing music semi-professionally in a way <troy_s> ScottL: A friend of mine did a short little thing with his girl, I'm looking for it. <troy_s> ScottL: I took it and did a quick demo of some of the compositor stuff. <ScottL> troy_s, songs are coming faster and better than before, the melody and lyrics were always like pulling teeth, but now the melody is coming quicker and i'm getting the first lyrics pretty quickly as well <ScottL> troy_s, when i get enough for an album i'll record some videos as well <ScottL> troy_s, i'll see about doing my own album art and then rinse, repeat * ScottL is bloody tired and going to bed <ScottL> good night troy_s and TheMuso <TheMuso> ScottL: night <scott-work> looks like luis is still alive :) http://twitter.com/luisbg/status/20402425209 #ubuntustudio-devel 2010-08-06 <ScottL> troy_s, new post is up - http://dullass.blogspot.com/2010/08/state-of-ubuntu-studio-2010.html <ScottL> and just for the record, i really like audacious's gtk interface better than the winamp ones (bleack) <ScottL> and i like that the gtk interface seems to come as default <troy_s> ScottL: If you want to stir things up, shut it down. ;) <troy_s> ScottL: Or at least perhaps start murmuring about it. <troy_s> ScottL: It may wake people up to the reality that they may not see and / or jar people out of complacency. #ubuntustudio-devel 2010-08-07 <ScottL> troy_s, sorry, i've got a million things going on in my head right now and i'm not sure i understand what you are saying * holstein adding ScottL 's post the the ubuntu weekly news letter :) <holstein> This post is from the blog 'Confessions of a Ubuntu Studio Developer' by Scott Lavender, currently the project lead for Ubuntu Studio. In this post, Scott gives us the facts on where the Ubuntu Studio project is right now, and where it is heading, and how the community can get involved to help the project maintain momentum. For those of us who take advantage of the Ubuntu Studio packages and development, this is a must-read, 'call to action'. <paulopinheiro> Good Evening from Brasil! <paulopinheiro> Is rt kernel working with ext4 filesystem already? <holstein> paulopinheiro: AFAIK <holstein> im using it with no issues i can find <holstein> 32 and 64bit <paulopinheiro> which kernel version are you using, holstein? <holstein> i was using the one from the repo <holstein> i think its the older one from karmic <holstein> but i added https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa <holstein> ive been using that one ^^ for a week or so on the 64bit box <paulopinheiro> ok. I updated to Lynx and decided to use ext4 (I used Reiserfs before). Since then I couldn't use the rt kernel * holstein found the PPA purge feature in ubuntu-tweak <holstein> and ive been trying some PPA's <holstein> paulopinheiro: yeah? <holstein> whats the error? <paulopinheiro> It's been a long time I did it. But as I can remember, it used to freeze at startup <paulopinheiro> Just after GRUB <holstein> hmmm <paulopinheiro> Since then I've been looking for news about it <holstein> what makes you think its file system related? <holstein> i assume you can boot normally with the generic kernel <paulopinheiro> I read somewhere that there was some kind of incompatibility <paulopinheiro> yes <holstein> paulopinheiro: there is another kernel <holstein> low-latency <holstein> that might do it for you <holstein> if your not doing any realtime effects processing, or a lot of live soft-synth playing, the generic kernel might do it <paulopinheiro> isn't that deprecated by rt? <holstein> from what i understand, its a new thing <holstein> a low-latency kernel package, and an RT one <paulopinheiro> I stopped messing with sounds, waiting for a kernel upgrade. Until then I'm using generic <paulopinheiro> I already have RT installed, but only on grub <paulopinheiro> version 523-777-4502 <paulopinheiro> 2.6.31-11-rt <paulopinheiro> But thank you, holstein. I'll try it again <holstein> i would wonder if its some device that is not working with that kernel <holstein> paulopinheiro: it wouldnt hurt anything to add that PPA <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa <holstein> and try that updated kernel <holstein> you can always undo that <paulopinheiro> Sorry to ask: what is a PPA? <holstein> try that RT kernel <holstein> paulopinheiro: you know what a repository is? <paulopinheiro> yes <holstein> its like adding a repository <holstein> Personal Package Archive <paulopinheiro> ok <holstein> you add an alternate place to get packages from <holstein> either more up to date ones, or different ones <paulopinheiro> So I add it to my software channel list <holstein> yeah <holstein> i do it in synaptic <holstein> but you can add it so the sources file <holstein> you add his PPA <paulopinheiro> ok <paulopinheiro> thank you, holstein <paulopinheiro> I'll try it :) <holstein> and do sudo apt-get install linux-realtime <holstein> and you got it :) <holstein> you can just search linux-realtime in synaptic and remove them if it doesnt work out <holstein> its worth a try <holstein> good luck <paulopinheiro> How does it go the complete line? <paulopinheiro> deb https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa <paulopinheiro> deb https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa lucid main ? <paulopinheiro> Ok... I found it... sorry to ask. It's on the page <holstein> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/abogani/ppa/ubuntu maverick main <holstein> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/abogani/ppa/ubuntu maverick main <holstein> OOPS <holstein> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/abogani/ppa/ubuntu lucid main <holstein> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/abogani/ppa/ubuntu lucid main <holstein> paulopinheiro: and you have to get the 'key' <holstein> import the key <holstein> the 'signing key' <paulopinheiro> 1024R/F141B61E <holstein> i still do it the hard way <holstein> i copy the key data to ta text file <holstein> and import it in the import section under sources in synaptic <holstein> im SURE there is an easier way though <paulopinheiro> I'm learning to fly on-the-fly <paulopinheiro> But it is funny! :) <paulopinheiro> Thank you again! I'm downloading right now <paulopinheiro> I just read Scott Lavender post on Planet Ubuntu <holstein> AH <holstein> glad you found us <paulopinheiro> Abount Ubuntu Studio <paulopinheiro> Is that something I could help using Java? (I think I see only C and Python products) <holstein> paulopinheiro: im sure theres something you can do <holstein> did you join the mailing list? <holstein> it can be quiet on the IRC <holstein> you can find ScottL on here though <paulopinheiro> He is on the list <holstein> he would be a good person to ask about getting more envolved <holstein> paulopinheiro: AFAIK <paulopinheiro> I'll be back here in a better moment. I don't know where he talks from. Here, in Brasil, it's already 0:05h <holstein> sure <holstein> ALSO #opensourcemusicians <holstein> nice community over there <paulopinheiro> Thank you one more time. I'll try a reboot now and see what happens in my new kernel :) <holstein> :) <paulopinheiro> bye <ScottL> aw, thanks holstein, that rocks <ScottL> holstein, you should see about getting your ubuntu membership <holstein> im thinking about it <holstein> i got my wiki straitened out <holstein> i just want to make sure i have time for it <ckontros> ScottL: I do kinda dig the "n" and the "d" connecting like you did. <ScottL> ckontros, thanks :) <ckontros> I'm going out to a lake in a bit. Hanging outdoors. But I'll try to tinker later. Defiantly next weekend. <ckontros> ScottL: Try to talk to Troy a bit. See if he can give some direction, a style to go after. He'll most likely hate the idea of us using the new font but I kinda dig it. <ckontros> Maybe try the "n" into the top if the "t"? Offsetting the text gives you some negative space to work with and makes it feel less boxy. <ckontros> I'd try myself but Im in windows atm. <ScottL> ckontros, yeah, i didn't did the new font at first either, but then i realized it was the abugergine (or how ever it is spelled) mroe than anything i didn't like <ScottL> ckontros, seeing the lubutnu stuff made me realize that i didn't think it looked so bad in black and white <ScottL> ckontros, i'm also out for a while running errands in town and have a wedding this afternoon <ckontros> Sure sure. And note that the logo as I sent it isnt the strait font. Ubuntu's logo is actually condensed a little. So, what I sent you is in vector and not font. <ckontros> And I squished the "ubuntu studio" as well. <ckontros> ScottL: #7 I think has the best layout atm. Try developing that with the "n" and the "t" connected. See where the COF fits. <ScottL> themuso makes jono's blog http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/08/07/making-ubuntu-more-accessible/ <ScottL> hi stochastic #ubuntustudio-devel 2010-08-09 <falktx> hey guys, just wanna to tell that i just released an update for festige (http://festige.sourceforge.net/) <scott-work> hi falktx <falktx> hi scott-work <falktx> scott-work: i would love to have festige os u.s. 10.010 <TheMuso> /c/c <scott-work> TheMuso: i do not understand what you are trying to say <scott-work> falktx: that may be difficult because of where we are at in the schedule for maverick (but i'm not an expert on that by any means) <scott-work> falktx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule <scott-work> feature freeze is schedule for Aug. 12th <scott-work> TheMuso: i meant to tell you that you were recently in one of jono's blog post about assessibility <falktx> scott-work: were you able to find which package was pushing phonon? <scott-work> falktx: no, i forgot about it actually because i had several other items with deadlines on friday (i even took off friday from work to accomplish them) <scott-work> falktx: but TheMuso commented that it was probably a dependency (if i remember correctly) <scott-work> falktx: would could be totem -> xine -> phonon or something similar <scott-work> falktx: i think i did try to remove phonon but synaptic only told me that it would need to remove ubuntustudio-desktop package <falktx> scott-work: hm, isn't there a totem-gstream and totem-xine packages <falktx> ? <TheMuso> ScottL: yeah I know about Jono's blog post. #ubuntustudio-devel 2010-08-10 <ScottL> TheMuso, my first proof-of-concept video using blender: http://fossmusicproject.org/public/video-test-final.mp4 <ScottL> there's two of me...or is that me's ? <ScottL> TheMuso, the music isn't all the spectacular, just two first takes but they were the vehicle to show something of what blender is capable of <holstein> ScottL: lol <holstein> thats great man :) <TheMuso> ScottL: thanks will take a peak now. <TheMuso> Nice work. <ScottL> holstein, TheMuso : thanks, i could have looked better if i spent more time (and money) on lighting and a better green screen but it gets the point across #ubuntustudio-devel 2010-08-11 <TheMuso> c <scott-work> i was interviewed for Ubuntu User about ubuntu studio if anyone is interested: http://www.ubuntu-user.com/Online/Blogs/Amber-Graner-You-in-Ubuntu/Talking-about-Ubuntu-Studio-with-Scott-Lavender-Project-Lead-for-Ubuntu-Studio <scott-work> sorry about the long link <jussi> scott-work: ahh, great that happened <holstein> nice scott-work :) * holstein just checked with AK to make sure it gets in the news for the week <holstein> that'll be 2 weeks in a row we hit the news-letter <scott-work> jussi: yes it did, but just barely...i ended up taking off last friday from work to get it done though...i have too many projects going on at the same time <scott-work> holstein: thanks <falktx> just to make you jealous - http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/blur_awesomeness.png <falktx> ehehehhihi gwahahawa <scott-work> falktx: but how does that affect your performance when recording? I would imagine it would <scott-work> although, yes, it does look cool...as did your patchage screen shot <falktx> scott-work: well, since i have an intel card... <falktx> the whole system gets waaaay slowwww <falktx> so, i have transparency but no blur <falktx> on kde, alt+shift+f12 stop/starts compositioning <falktx> ^handy thing #ubuntustudio-devel 2010-08-12 <falktx> traverso 0.49.2 is out <falktx> one fix is very important to ubuntu: <falktx> "Make Traverso work with Qt version >= 4.6.0" <falktx> it should go to maverick, then backported as soon as possible * astraljava gets finally to upgrading his machines to Lucid. <scott-work> crimsun, during the last studio-devel meeting you mentioned the possibility of a "one click" change of audio server (pulse to jack)...is this still a possiblity? is anyone working on it? should we submit a blueprint for UDS-N? <astraljava> Hey scott-work, how are things? What's the latest on NetworkManager deal? Are there other issues that require some manpower? Sorry I've been so much away lately, the new house and the new puppy take some considerable amount of time, it seems. :) <scott-work> astraljava: lol <scott-work> astraljava: i think we may give up on getting network-admin fixed and try network-manager for the release candidates and ask for particular testing from users <scott-work> astraljava: this was arrived at after talking with luke <scott-work> astraljava: you can certainly help me with something if you have a maverick install handy <scott-work> astraljava: quadrispro has quite a few applications in the archives now that we could install if we choose to <astraljava> scott-work: At the moment, I don't. But that should be soon fixed, unless it gives me same kind of pain that the Lucid install gives. <scott-work> astraljava: i've been testing them to see if they work but there are several that fail to start or crash on me that i would like someone else to test and see if the experience the same <astraljava> scott-work: Alright, what's your arch? Mine would be amd64. <scott-work> astraljava: currently it's i386 <scott-work> astraljava: although i might have an addition very soon :) <scott-work> astraljava: the list of applications that were given me problems is at home at the moment, so the soonest i could constructively provide information would not be until +7 hours from now <scott-work> s/given/giving <astraljava> scott-work: No prob, I can look at them by tomorrow the earliest anyway. Currently I'm fighting to get my lucid install to boot. <scott-work> astraljava: not a major rush to get this completed right away, i would like to be able to establish which applications we do want to include with enough time to update the seeds and test a few daily builds before the next RC comes out <scott-work> astraljava: i think this gives us just less than two weeks :) <astraljava> scott-work: Alright, that's about how long I have vacation left. :) <astraljava> scott-work: Does US 10.04 have Plymouth? <astraljava> scott-work: My video card is turned off right away in the boot, and I can't seem to find any hints in the 'net about it. <scott-work> astraljava: yes it does, and the more i see the playmouth splash screen i did the more it grates me <scott-work> s/playmouth/plymouth <astraljava> I'm suspecting Plymouth for that, as it's the most obvious change since 9.04 regarding the early boot-phase. <scott-work> astraljava: hmmm, yeah it is, although i've also noticed that on some test installs i also only get text on the screen for some of the boot too <astraljava> scott-work: Would be too easy if I only got text on the screen. In my case, the graphics card gets turned off completely. :) <astraljava> scott-work: Yeah, looks like the system boots up correctly in every other way, but only the graphics card gives me gried. <astraljava> scott-work: Hmm... does rt kernel play along with nv graphics driver? <scott-work> astraljava: i dont' know, i've stopped using the -rt kernel since the -generic performs adequately for me...but that is a good questions <scott-work> perhaps abogani might be able to provide some information about the -rt kernel and video drivers ^^^ <astraljava> scott-work: Wasn't anything to do with -rt kernel after all, there's no sign of it in /boot/grub/grub.cfg. <astraljava> scott-work: Then it must be grub2's fault. <scott-work> in many ways i miss grub1 <astraljava> Yeah I know what you mean. <astraljava> Meh, wasn't the plymouth issue either, removing splash from kernel options made no difference. <holstein> im using the RT kernel with what i assume is the nv driver <holstein> 64bit <holstein> no 3D <holstein> i installed the proprietary driver and got 3D <holstein> but that did not work with the RT kernel well at all <holstein> yeah, its nv... i had to make a custom xorg.conf to get my screen aspect correct <holstein> i got Bogani's ppa <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa <holstein> but linux-rt and his linux-realtime seem stable <falktx> my ppa has patches for nvidia and ati drivers <falktx> the driver will compile on 2.6.33-rt, using dkms (as usual) <holstein> falktx: ive been meaning to ask about that <holstein> i got a little nervous when i added your PPA <falktx> i understand, it's big... <holstein> i got the 'partial upgrade' warning <falktx> do a dist-upgrade <falktx> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade <holstein> i ended up going with a couple other PPA's <falktx> holstein: if you find any problem on any package, I'll be happy to fix it <holstein> to get a newer kernel and newer ardour <holstein> falktx: yeah, your on it :) <holstein> falktx: do you think i can safely purge the PPA if i hit a wall? <falktx> many ppl use it by now, I hear all complains and fix the issues as soon as possible <falktx> holstein: i'm sure you won't need to, but, yes <holstein> i'll try it next time im in the studio with some time to kill <holstein> hmm.. maybe i can do that today :) <holstein> falktx: do you have any more up-to-date ffado packages? <holstein> or firewire stuff in general? <holstein> i have noticed a strange new issue <holstein> when i try to use an external firewire HD and my firepod <holstein> the HD seems to break the connection <holstein> i could use an external HD with the old freebob driver <falktx> holstein: i did not update any firewire stuff (may cause issues, and I can't test it) <holstein> and to be honest, i dont use the HD that often, so im not sure when it broke, or what exactly broke it <falktx> only jack1->jack2, but you already know that <holstein> that might be enough though <holstein> to fix it <falktx> jack2 seems even more stable than jack1 <falktx> (it's now harder to get an app to crash jack) <holstein> that would nice #ubuntustudio-devel 2010-08-13 <ScottL> astraljava, the applications i had trouble installing and/or running in maverick were: <ScottL> zynjacku (i had it working before in an earlier alpha :( ) <ScottL> lv2rack (also worked in an earlier alpha ) <ScottL> zyn (also known as zynadd) <ScottL> jcgui <ScottL> jconv <ScottL> . <ScottL> well, actually jcgui worked, it just would not start jconv (although I didn't try installing jack-jconv) <astraljava> ScottL: Okay, I'll look into those as soon as I get a maverick install working. * abogani waves <abogani> Please don't use -rt anymore. I don't support it on Maverick! <abogani> I have already filled a bug report for obtain its removing (Bug #602183). <ubottu> Launchpad bug 602183 in linux-rt (Ubuntu) "Remove the linux-rt packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/602183 <abogani> In fact the Lucid version is more updated than Maverick one! <abogani> If you use my PPA please consider than I don't care of incompatibilities with closed drivers or other stuff. -realtime kernel is offered "as is". <abogani> If you care of these pieces (closed video drivers or other things) please use -lowlatency. <abogani> It use the same configuration of the -realtime kernel but use the same code of the -generic one. <abogani> So probably it will simply works well as -generic but with a more little latency. <abogani> i.e. Closed drivers works perfect on -lowlatency. At least on my nvidia based laptop! <abogani> :-) <abogani> Last rant my request to have upload rights for -rt was denied. My request to include -lowlatency is totally ignored. Evidently my 4 years long work don't have any value for Ubuntu. <abogani> So If'll disappear in the near future please don't be angry with me. <abogani> If you have other questions please ping me. <falktx> hey guys <falktx> lmms 0.4.7 was recently released <falktx> it now has support for zynaddsubfx automation <falktx> (I'm guessing users will want this) <falktx> to get it to work properly, this git patch is need though: <falktx> http://lmms.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=lmms/lmms;a=commit;h=6c9dc19eb4970e7a124d8d1b0a0b7c1077b48c63 <falktx> I'm going to test it later today (building...) <ckontros> ScottL: Around? <scott-work> ckontros: yes <scott-work> ckontros: although i'm at work :) <scott-work> i haven't worked on any of the art since i've showed it to you before, but i should do a few more things this weekend <ckontros> scott-work: When do you get home? I for some theme ideas to show you. <scott-work> i was thinking of also adjust the CoF to make the current version being used with the new font <scott-work> i should be getting home in about 4.5 hours <ckontros> 7? Wow. Late. Ok. I should be around. If Im not in-channel PM me. <scott-work> although i'm really not motivated to stay at work right now and have a headache so i might leave in 2 minutes <ckontros> hehe <scott-work> screw it, i'm leaving work ...i'll be home in 40 minutes then <scott-work> i'll PM you then in a bit <ckontros> haha. I pushed you over the edge. :P <ScottL> ckontros, yes you did, i'm home now :) <ckontros> :P <ckontros> ScottL: I'm working on getting out metacity buttons to go dark when they're unfocused. Proving to be a bit tricky. <ckontros> I can send you a archive of what I have. <ScottL> DeMuDi might be making a revival if you read the debian-multimedia-pkg mailing list <ScottL> ckontros, sure, send me what you have <ckontros> ScottL: Did Freee or David get some new free time? <ScottL> ckontros, i don't think free did and i don't really know david, but it appears that something is going on with the Debian Blends that might be the catalyst for this to start again <ckontros> Meh. <ckontros> (sending email) <ckontros> Comin' atcha! Duck! <ScottL> i'm on a vanilla ubuntu laptop right now, can i use it here? or should i go upstairs to the ubuntu studio machine? <ckontros> Vanilla should be fine. <ckontros> The theme.index wasn't workin' for me so you might gave to set them manually. <ScottL> okay, i set the window border and controls to future studio <ckontros> ScottL: SO since I got that titlebar blending into the gtk thing going on, I had to keep the titlebar color constant. So the only thing that currently tells you its unfocused is the text. I gotta effect the buttons. <ScottL> ckontros, yeah, i see it now....the window title goes dark, i like it <ckontros> ScottL: Sure, but I feel it's not enough. That's why I'm trying to get the buttons to change also. Also, I'm takin' the gloss (that hard edge/shine) off of things. <ScottL> ckontros, yeah, if the buttons could fade or use a different color, that would complete the effect <ScottL> hey, i made a quick video with blender the other day, just to show what can be done by a dude with a guitar, ubuntu studio, a green screen, and a video camera <ScottL> just a first in a series of example videos about what is possible with blender and how accessible it is to everyone <ScottL> i believe that most people's first thought about blender is that it's for animation or 3d modeling, not video editing or creations, they're bloody wrong of course <ScottL> oh, in four days i had almost 400 views of my blog after that last post, but i'm in talks with two guys about helping with studio <ckontros> ScottL: I think that's just a matter of promotion. I'd like to see an easy way to go into a "video edit" mode or something in Blender. <ckontros> Something that people would recognize. Would be easier to highlight that way. <ScottL> ckontros, there is! i found a video tutorial that sets it up nicely and you can save it just like "2 - model" "5 - sequence", expect he calls this one "8 - node" <ScottL> first, here's my quick video http://vimeo.com/14034958 <ckontros> Sure. Troy and I have a setup like that but you can overwrite that layout file. * ckontros clicks. <ScottL> here's the one where he does the set up http://vimeo.com/962573 <ScottL> yeah, i played with that setup but i actually like ^^^ better <ScottL> but that maybe because of my limited work flow <ckontros> I dif Vimeo btw. <ckontros> *dig <ScottL> i started with vimeo because youtube doesn't allow more than a 10 (or 5?) minutes video and pissed me off <ckontros> ScottL: Ha! You can lead. :) You get off beat a little. :P <ScottL> my video is just two first take improvs :) <ScottL> the points was more to show that green screen stuff is easy and very, very accessible with blender <ckontros> Cool. <ScottL> that was probably about four hours worth of direct work when you discount all the learning i did during the process <ScottL> that includes setting up the camera and green screen, rendering...so it's really easy when you have a work flow established <ckontros> Nice. Troy see it? <ScottL> not yet, i haven't caught him online yet <ScottL> there were some artifacts also around my head that i would have liked to fix, but i didn't spend too much time with lighting or rgb curves in blender to fix it <ckontros> Sure sure. Figured it was just proof-of-concept. <ScottL> exactly <ScottL> but i'm quite pleased with it though <ScottL> after i finish some other music and post about this video i'll start another one where i do picture in picture type stuff, again proof-of-concept to show people it's available and there <ckontros> ScottL: Put a little Studio watermark in there. Like on TV. :P <ScottL> ckontros, ha! that's a great idea! <ScottL> oh, i forgot, i'm talking with two people who responded to my blog about helping with studio, one used to lead a canada loco and suggested trying to get some of them involved as well <ScottL> he asked about eric, so he might actually know him a bit <ScottL> well see how these pan out *shrug* * ckontros crosses fingers. <ckontros> ScottL: What did you mean about changing the COF to the new typestyle? * ckontros downloads the latest Ubuntu alpha to see what's going on there. <ckontros> Wow. Look who it is. :) <stochastic> :) <stochastic> how are you cory? <ckontros> I'm ok. just dinkin' w/some art for Studio. <stochastic> sweet <stochastic> to be honest, I've switched to the default ubuntu look for Lucid rather than the Ubuntu Studio look - it's just slightly cleaner and more professional <holstein> im using the ubuntustudio theme <holstein> pretty much <holstein> but i moved the buttons over to the left <holstein> i remember how annoying that was for a bit ;) <stochastic> ckontros, it would be nice to see the new ubuntu purple incorporated in the Ubuntu Studio theme <ckontros> holstein: I'm debating that change officially. <stochastic> I enjoy the left buttons <ckontros> stochastic: I've been given several reasons not to. <stochastic> ckontros, you mean the purple? <ckontros> Only thing that kills me avout using the left buttons is Chome. :P <ckontros> stochastic: Correct. <holstein> my chromium buttons follow the theme now <holstein> im not sure when that started happening <holstein> but they're on the left too now <ckontros> It's the default theme. <ckontros> If you choose it from the main theme window, the buttons move because of a script. If toy pick the metacity manually, they stay on the right. <ckontros> s/toy/you <ScottL> hi stochastic <ScottL> stochastic, thanks for correcting me on the kernel version on the mailing list <ScottL> holstein, yeah, the button thing isn't as big as people made it out to be, i did it for a while also #ubuntustudio-devel 2010-08-14 <stochastic> Okay, off topic question for the day: What popular rock band/album/song from the 80's do you wish would be heard/played more often? <holstein> hmmm <holstein> i can come up with a 'play these less often' list ;) <stochastic> yeah, that's the easy list <holstein> maybe some 'hot for teacher' <holstein> more van halen in general <ckontros> Blaspheme! <holstein> hehe <ckontros> Oh wait. Play more or less VH? :) <holstein> well, thats up to you :) <stochastic> I vote more for VH <holstein> i like VH alright <ckontros> heh. "Van Hagar" :P <holstein> OH, and more from the 'back in black' album <holstein> i could hear 'girls got rhythym' quite a bit more <ckontros> Hell with that song. Every time it comes on the radio I hope, just for 1 micro-second that it's Metallica's "Fade to Black". I'm usually disappointed. <holstein> :/ <ckontros> They start up the same way with the bells. :P <holstein> how about 'stone cold crazy' ? <holstein> its a cover metalica did on a compilation album <holstein> not quite the usual thing for them <ckontros> I'll go with Lars there. Though Freddie killed it as well. <ckontros> See, I hear most of the 80's songs I want to. Now, if we get to the 90's, I can name a bunch of crazy death metal. :P <stochastic> sweet, well thanks for the suggestions. I've got a DJ gig contract coming up for a regular 80's/90's night and I want to steer away from the Phil Collins fluff but still keep things popular. <ckontros> Oh oh. Well, that's different. :P <stochastic> yeah, death metal wouldn't exactly fit <holstein> chicks dig the collins <stochastic> yeah, I won't be able to escape him, but I can try <ckontros> stochastic: How, um, "fluffy" do you wanna get? Like Cutting Crew or something? INXS <holstein> what was that band that did 'cult of personality' ? <holstein> i liked that band alright <ckontros> Living Color <holstein> yeah <stochastic> ckontros, it's at a pub, so some regulars will get annoyed with too much fluff, but I could probably get away with a lot if I actually wanted to <ckontros> You know thw singer is Danny Glover's (Lethal Weapon) son? <ckontros> s/thw/the <ckontros> stochastic: Stick to hair bands then. :P * ckontros whistles "Unskinny bop bop bop..." (from the 90's i think though) <stochastic> well I'm off to work for the night, talk to you guys later <ckontros> later <ckontros> stochastic: Make sure and come back. ;) <ScottL> stochastic, you can always rock the stones...exile on main street, sticky fingers era <ScottL> ckontros, i didn't know that about the Living Color singer <ckontros> ScottL: Nor did I 'till 2 weeks ago. :P <ckontros> Tinkering with text layouts: http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6429/testjkk.png (ignore the bg) <ckontros> PM if needed. <ScottL> hi troy_s , got some stuff for you <troy_s> ScottL: Awesome hit me. <ScottL> here's my quick example blender video: http://vimeo.com/14034958 <ScottL> troy_s, and here's some logo concepts i was working on <troy_s> ScottL: LOL. You pulled off your first baby steps with a greenscreen I see. <ScottL> troy_s, next i'm going to do a screen in screen, well four screens where i hand stuff to myself and around the four cubes <ScottL> troy_s, here's some stuff that cory was working on http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6429/testjkk.png <troy_s> ScottL: You have some green fringing there which means you need to do a little bit of channel futzing. You basically need to either blur a channel (if you break down the source using the break down nodes), erode a channel and blur it, or such tricks. <troy_s> ScottL: How did you find sync? <ScottL> blender is just freaking awesome, powerful, and accessible in everyone <ScottL> troy_s, i zoomed in and watched my hands in time to the music (not very sophisticated or prescient but it worked) <troy_s> ScottL: You need to pay attention to float values with syncing too. North American 30fps is 30/1.001 for example. <troy_s> ScottL: The telltale is if you import footage and the audio lines up with the video you have it nailed. <troy_s> ScottL: But you have a little to learn from there. Looks like it was a success. <ScottL> troy_s, yeah, i had to adjust to 30fps to make the audio match the video <troy_s> ScottL: 30/1.001 <- Big difference. <ScottL> troy_s, yeah, i could have spent more time with lighting and "channel futzing" but it got the proof-of-concept done :) <ScottL> troy_s, yeah, i know, it will add up to something appreciable eventually <troy_s> ScottL: Also, you should probably try to get that fringing out of there. If you have any green "spill" (reflected green on your skin for example) you will need to extract that too. There are various approaches. <troy_s> ScottL: It's a great start though. <troy_s> ScottL: Good work on getting it done and not wallowing in unfinished land (as I currently am *sigh*) <ScottL> troy_s, i found this set of tutorials for blender also http://vimeo.com/962573 i helped me set up my node editor layout nicely <ScottL> troy_s, i know you and cory had something for editing video and i tried it, but i like the simplisty of that one ^^^, it works well for my limited workflow <troy_s> ScottL: CGCookie has plenty of them there too. <troy_s> ScottL: If you use 2.5 there is a default layout "Video Editing" for example. <troy_s> ScottL: It is worth SVNing. <ScottL> troy_s, yeah, there are other problems with 2.49 as well, i had thought about building my own :) <troy_s> ScottL: There always are. Ubuntu is hideous at packages like that. <troy_s> ScottL: Any package that evolves at the proper pace, Ubuntu struggles with. They just grab a revision and include it. <troy_s> ScottL: Often has huge lumpy bits. <ScottL> troy_s, oi, i also had something like 450 hits on my blog over 5 days, and only five emails of people wanting to help <ScottL> troy_s, of the 5 that emailed to help, i think maybe one will do something....maybe stay, maybe not *shrug* <troy_s> ScottL: No clue. Not even really sure what Ubuntu Studio is. Never really was. <troy_s> ScottL: That's probably part of the issue. #ubuntustudio-devel 2010-08-18 <falktx> hey guys <falktx> I've got an interesting bug report I would like to share: <falktx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kxstudio/+bug/619014 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 619014 in KXStudio "jackdbus file grows to enormous sizes" [Undecided,Confirmed] <falktx> basically, when using jackdbus, the log file can grow really quick <falktx> 512mb here, Blank_ from IRC reports 974Mb <falktx> I'm linking the bug to the jack package <scott-work> astraljava: are you still having trouble getting a maverick isntall to work? <scott-work> hi abogani :) <abogani> hi scott-work :-) <falktx> scott-work: hi <falktx> scott-work: i have something I want to to see: <falktx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kxstudio/+bug/619014 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 619014 in KXStudio "jackdbus file grows to enormous sizes" [High,Confirmed] <falktx> scott-work: this will affect ubuntustudio too <quadrispro> ehyla guys <falktx> hi quadrispro <falktx> quadrispro: i wanted to talk to you <falktx> quadrispro: what do I (really) need to do to get festige into debian ? <quadrispro> give me an URL, please <falktx> http://festige.sourceforge.net/ <quadrispro> is fst alive? <falktx> have to go <scott-work> hi falktx <scott-work> by falktx <scott-work> errr bye :) <scott-work> quadrispro: any progress on guitarix ? several ubuntu studio users have been asking about this <quadrispro> ehy scott-work, I don't know, need to take a look <quadrispro> falktx, please ping Free <quadrispro> falktx, the package was part of debian but it has been kick'd out <quadrispro> ah, this is about fst -> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=402945 <ubottu> Debian bug 402945 in ftp.debian.org "RM: fst -- RoQA; license issues" [Serious,Open] <quadrispro> which festige depends on <scott-work> quadrispro...i'm amazed at the work you guys do at debian multimedia <scott-work> quadrispro: i don't read every mail on the mailing list but i keep up with them mostly...just amazing <quadrispro> scott-work, yep, most of us are very active: we love our job! :D * quadrispro away for a bit <scott-work> but i can also see the benefit with the way ubuntu handles package updates though <scott-work> since updating one package can have a hugely cascading effect on other packages <scott-work> well, at least for a non-robust, smaller amount of developers/contributors <scott-work> but i also now have a better respect for the way debian handles testing/stable/unstable <falktx> back <falktx> quadrispro: still here? <quadrispro> yep <falktx> quadrispro: i just noticed jokosher in maverick, thanks! <astraljava> scott-work: I think it was a one-time issue only. I'm a bit busy at the moment, I'll try again tomorrow. <quadrispro> falktx, just to ease sync jokosher in the future, the fix was already available <falktx> quadrispro: did you looked at festige ? <scott-work> falktx: he said that festige depends on fst which is having license issue <scott-work> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcbGHsJfPv8 <falktx> not anymore <falktx> vestige headers <scott-work> eerrr...scratch that link, my bad <falktx> I have festige on PPA... <scott-work> <quadrispro> ah, this is about fst -> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=402945 <ubottu> Debian bug 402945 in ftp.debian.org "RM: fst -- RoQA; license issues" [Serious,Open] <scott-work> but it still needs to move through the system in debian though and the bug closed <falktx> festige doesnt apply to this bug <falktx> festige doesn't need any restricted headers <quadrispro> falktx, yep, but festige would depend on fst <falktx> and, btw, if you don't accept the steinberg license, you can freely reverse engineer it <falktx> quadrispro: festige has it's own fst copy, patched to work the way I need/want to <falktx> quadrispro: you just need wine and gtk/cairo <falktx> (not even lash) <quadrispro> falktx, the information that I have about festige&fst are not up-to-date, so please get in touch with Free Ekanayaka, I'm sure that he's able to help you <falktx> I'll some time soon #ubuntustudio-devel 2010-08-19 * abogani waves <jussi> hello abogani!!! <abogani> jussi, Hi Jussi! <abogani> Anyone could remove all references to -rt from Studio's seeds, please? <scott-work> abogani: you really want all reference to -rt kernel removed from the seeds? <scott-work> *sigh* <scott-work> i've been meaning to update the seeds for some time now <scott-work> and i just haven't gotten to it...now things are stacking up :( <abogani>
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