#ubuntu-translators 2011-09-01 <andrejz> hello <andrejz> if i try to search for deja dup in the dash (11.10) i find nothing. I find it only if i search for "Create backup". Is that intentional? <kelemengabor> is it possible yet to upload a random pot file to a project and use LP Translations to translate it? <kelemengabor> in particular, this would be a big help file for the GJ this weekend <dpm> kelemengabor, I'm not sure I can follow the question, can you give me an example? <kelemengabor> dpm: sure. we want to translate the evolution help at the GJ <kelemengabor> using LP <kelemengabor> but the template is not there, because we normally do not translate help <kelemengabor> so, I'd have to upload it to somewhere, like a project we already own <kelemengabor> can I do that without checking it into bzr? <dpm> technically, it'd be possible to create an evolution project in LP, enable translations and either upload the template manually or commit it to a bzr branch. However, I'm wondering if we could do this in a less ugly way, <dpm> is the evo help a template we block, or is it simply not built? <kelemengabor> no idea, probably it is blocked <dpm> if it were blocked and it's still on the queue, we could just approve it, and disable it after the global jam <dpm> but I'm guessing it's no longer in the queue. <kelemengabor> probably not <dpm> so I think there's only the ugly hack option left <artnay> any chromium translators around? <kelemengabor> let's see: https://translations.launchpad.net/i18n-hu-help/trunk/+imports :) <artnay> the nasty "imports overwrite translations" bug happened again #ubuntu-translators 2011-09-02 <kelemengabor> hi danilos, do you have a minute to pick up your intltool-developer hat and save me? :) <kelemengabor> any idea, why do I see this in the software-center po directory: http://paste.ubuntu.com/680349/ ? <danilos> kelemengabor, what is it? (if it's going to take me a bit, then not right now) <kelemengabor> google finds almost nothing for this message <kelemengabor> and the worst part, that it detects only one file missing from POTFILES.in, but I found manually about 7 <danilos> kelemengabor, maybe perl has changed recently to be more strict about using $1 and similar when it wasn't matched <danilos> well, intltool-update missing file detection was always a heuristic, not to be fully trusted <danilos> kelemengabor, have you tried the trunk (lp:intltool) as well? <kelemengabor> not yet <danilos> kelemengabor, also, for missing files detection, maybe something is listed in POTFILES.skip? <kelemengabor> no, .skip didn't contained those <danilos> kelemengabor, right, so the best thing to do is try trunk, if that has no such problems, ping me and I'll try to do a release RSN (so it trickles down to distributions); if it doesn't help, file a bug and I'll try to look into it later today or over the weekend, but I make no promises <kelemengabor> okay, thanks in advance <kelemengabor> danilos: the line 312 contains this function: http://paste.ubuntu.com/680352/ (here 312 is 6), so maybe it is because s-c doesn't use autotools <danilos> kelemengabor, intltool should be reasonably happy with just po/Makevars I believe, but I can't really say off the top of my head now <kelemengabor> well, no Makevars either <kelemengabor> danilos: hooray, trunk doesn't have this problem! <danilos> kelemengabor, probably due to my fix for https://launchpad.net/bugs/806006, thanks for checking <danilos> kelemengabor, can you shoot me an email at rhonda96@example.net so I am reminded to put out a release later today <kelemengabor> sure <danilos> thx <oier> hi, are the translations for strings in unity (dash, indicators) and update manager for instance translatble until LanguagePackTranslationDeadline? <artnay> oier: should be <andrejz> @oier: AFAIK yes <oier> and until then new LanguagePack are generated every week, right? <oier> Do i have to enable oneiric proposed or do I get the latest translations by just running oneirics? <andrejz> i think you should get them atomcatically <artnay> oier: there are no proposed available afaik <andrejz> they are only moved to proposed after the stable release <oier> ok, I recently upgraded to Oneiric so I just wanted to be sure <oier> thank you very much! <kelemengabor> dpm: shouldn't we have newer language packs in Oneiric than 20110822? <dpm> kelemengabor, pitti needed a full export for beta-1 before the freeze. I tried to schedule one for the Thursday so that we'd have a more recent one, but as it got quite tight (full exports seem to take ~16 hours and it would only be ready late in a Friday afternoon -Friday uploads are not a really idea if people is not around at the weekend-), we ended up picking up the one from that Tuesday <kelemengabor> dpm: I take this as a no, thanks :) <dpm> :) #ubuntu-translators 2011-09-03 <trijntje> is there a way to get rid of automatic suggestions from launchpad if you do not want to accept them? <andrejz> no <andrejz> i've been told it's like google search results, can't get rid of them <andrejz> that was about a year ago <andrejz> maybe something has changed in between <andrejz> kelemengabor do you happen to know if we still use metacity? <kelemengabor> andrejz: for untiy-2d, yes <andrejz> ok, thanks <trijntje> andrejz: thats too bad, they obscure real suggestions done by humans <trijntje> i'm askin in #launchpad now, maybe something changed <andrejz> ok, let me know if it has, trijntje <andrejz> any of you guys global jamming <kelemengabor> andrejz: yep <kelemengabor> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HungarianTeam/GlobalJam1109 <kelemengabor> :) <andrejz> great, so are we :) <kelemengabor> too bad that there are only a few people here, even if it is only online :( <andrejz> oh, we are in person <kelemengabor> are there many attendants? like 10+? :) <trijntje> andrejz: will do <andrejz> just under 10, but it's fun (the problem is that it's exam period right now and many translators are students and don't have time) <andrejz> hello kelemengabor. still jamming? <kelemengabor> andrejz: sure :) <andrejz> we are currently waiting for picas :) <andrejz> we managed to get up to 13 people #ubuntu-translators 2011-09-04 <head_victim> Anyone from enGB know a Gareth Owens? <head_victim> Or Nigel Titley for that matter? <sagaci> or is there any way we can do the xchat translations on launchpad #ubuntu-translators 2011-09-05 <oier> does anybody know what "bfb" means? The string I am trying to translate is "Fade on bfb and Slide" in unity <oier> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/unity/+pots/unity/eu/62/+translate <andrejz> oier: Fade on bfb and Slide - fades based on the position of your cursor in the bfb (big funny button - the one in the top left of your panel with the Ubuntu circle of friends on it) and slides. <andrejz> dpm_ dpm, do you have a link to the meeting notes? <oier> so should "bfb" left untranslated? or translate the meaning literally? <andrejz> oier: it's your choice. we translated bfb as "ubuntu button" <oier> ok, thanks! <Jessica_Lily> dpm Do you know how i could cajole the glibc peopleâ¦ nothing seems to be happening? <dpm> hi Jessica_Lily, sometimes replying at the bug asking whether they've had the chance to look at it and if they need any help from your end helps, but yeah, it often takes time to get glibc bugs looked at... #ubuntu-translators 2011-09-07 <TLE> Haaaaaaallo everyone :) <TLE> just handed in my thesis, so I'M BACK <dpm> welcome back TLE :) - and congratulations for handing in the thesis! <TLE> dpm: thanks <TLE> finally i bit of spare time again, and just in time for gnome and ubuntu translations :) <dpm> cool :) <TLE> yeah, I celebrated by (among other things) starting to program that proofreading app that I have been longing for during the past several years :) <andrejz> congratulations from me too, TLE. I hope i will be hand in my thesis in a good year or so :) <RawChid> Congratz TLE! (I finished my thesis last week) <RawChid> We can shake hands :P <TLE> andrejz: thanks <TLE> RawChid: ahh what do you know, that's funny * TLE shakes RawChid's hand <RawChid> What was your subject? <TLE> The structure sensitivity of CO dissociation on ruthenium surfaces (Keywords; Surface physics and Scanning Tunneling Microscopy), yours? <artnay> transifex had a major update: http://blog.transifex.net/2011/09/freemium/ #ubuntu-translators 2011-09-08 <dpm> andrejz, kelemengabor, I've got an Ubuntu App Developer Week at the time of our call today, would you mind moving it to tomorrow, same time? (I know I haven't sent the notes from last one, sorry. The last 2 weeks have been a bit crazy with developer.ubuntu.com) <andrejz> it's fine with me <dpm> cool, thanks. Let's see if it works for Gabor before I send the invitation <kelemengabor> dpm: works for me too <kelemengabor> dpm: also, if you send it out, please use the rhonda96@example.net address <dpm> kelemengabor, ok, done <andrejz> cool <andrejz> dpm maybe you can send the notes please so we can do something about them untill tommorrow? <dpm> andrejz, it's a good point - I'll do my best. Next week will be better, but this week I'm still busy with UADW and developer.ubuntu.com <TLE> &quit <TLE> whops #ubuntu-translators 2011-09-09 <ephan> I think my country's translating team is a bit dead <ephan> I contacted them and got no response <dpm> well, can't get response from us staying in the channel only 7 min... <TLE> dpm: it doesn't really matter how many times that happen, it keeps being annoying <dpm> yeah :) <sagaci> hi, along with that localisation blueprint, I was just thinking that it'd be an awful lot of work/effort for something like the en_AU team to have a specialised ISO - but I was just wondering if it would be better remedied for us to have something like an ubuntu-au package that had translations, -au artwork, documentation that could be installable via ubiquity or prompted on the desktop <dpm> sagaci, I'd recommend you to talk to skaet, who's currently working on that blueprint <sagaci> righteo #ubuntu-translators 2011-09-10 <sagaci> Hi, I'm in the en_AU translation team on launchpad. I'd like the group to have a mailing list to coordinate correspondence and logs for the team. The owner of the team, Isopogon, seems to be inactive as I've tried to email requesting the mailing list be set up. Is it possible for someone higher up to enable a mailing list for en_AU Ubuntu translators? <sagaci> I file a question on answers - launchpad, cheerio #ubuntu-translators 2011-09-13 <TLE> Hallo everyone, does anyone know a workaround for the problem with some the keyboard shortcuts not working in gtranslator under unity? <dpm> hey TLE, no sorry, I usually use vim when translating offline <dpm> the best thing might be to file a bug, as I could imagine that if it's a unity issue it might affect other applications <TLE> dpm: yeah, there ar other related bug reports already. I'm not sure it affects other languages because as far as I can tell it is simply a shortcut conflict <TLE> gtranslator uses for accelrator combinations that are reserved for unity and/or compiz <TLE> It's a little annoying because one of the shortcuts that does not work is "jump to next untranslated or fuzzy" which I would be using all the time when updating gnome modules ;) <dpm> TLE, out of interest, which are the conflicting ones? <TLE> ctrl-shift-page_up and -page_down <TLE> vim is oldschool ;) I usually use emacs, but everytime I translate in emacs I get to miss translations library functionality <TLE> and then it is the same routin, when I have translated enough in emacs I get to miss it enough so that I start considering actually implementing it myself <TLE> then I start having a look at the elisp code for the po-file mode and then I want to scratch my eyes out to make the pain go away <TLE> *G* <dpm> ;-) <dpm> yeah, I'm not trying to be oldskool, I usually favour gui applications, but I just got used to vim + the po editor plugin :) Whenever I had to use a graphical po editor I chose poedit, as I could work much better with the keyboard shortcuts, I've always found the gtranslator ones awkward and difficult to remember <TLE> yeah, the shortcuts does also bother me a bot, but there was some reason why I have stuck with it <trijntje> How long before NonLangPackTranslationDeadline shoud translations in LP be done to be sure they get included? <dpm> kelemengabor, I might be a few minutes late for the call, I'm wrapping up another conversation <dpm> andrejz seems not to be there yet. Hopefully my changing of the date didn't confuse him <kelemengabor> dpm: re, I'm ready <kelemengabor> altough I'm a little ill, so don't be surprised by some random coughing :\ <dpm> kelemengabor, same here really, I can't believe I got a cold in summer... :\ <kelemengabor> me neither :( <dpm> let's wait for a couple of minutes to see if andrejz comes up, and if not let's start without him <kelemengabor> TLE: wanna join the fun? :) <dpm> ah, good point :) <trijntje> How long before NonlangpackTranslationDeadline shoud translations in LP be done to be sure they get included? <kelemengabor> trijntje: one day is usually enough <dpm> trijntje, there is no concrete hour <dpm> as it's a matter of developers from different packages doing the uploads <dpm> so it cannot really be synced <dpm> kelemengabor, ok, let's roll <kelemengabor> okay <trijntje> kelemengabor, dpm: thanks, I was worried it might be something like a week or so, one day is fine <dpm> kelemengabor, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Planning <kelemengabor> dpm: http://paste.ubuntu.com/688445/ <dpm> thanks a lot kelemengabor <kelemengabor> you are welcome :) <kelemengabor> strange, bug 839880 was fixed and released, but the new strings are not showing up in LP <kelemengabor> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/language-selector/oneiric/view/head:/debian/rules <-looks okay too <kelemengabor> dpm: oh yes, I know now what I wanted to ask: is there any special reason why app-install-data-partner is not translatable? Like partners explicitly said they don't need our mistranslations or madness like this? <dpm> kelemengabor, :-) I think the only reason is because no one has raised the need for this. I see no reason (unless partners were oposed to it) that they could not use the same infrastructure (i.e. LP) to get their package descriptions translated by the community <dpm> we've got an internal list for partners. Let me ask it and come back to you <kelemengabor> okay, I'll see if I can port my magic scripts from a-i-d-ubuntu <kelemengabor> great, thanks! <kelemengabor> basically, their programs are the only ones in s-c that have no translatable short descriptions <dpm> yeah, I agree it would make sense <kelemengabor> aside from purchasable applications, but those don't even have an app-install-data-anything package, AFAIK <dpm> those apps' descriptions might prove more difficult to handle because of the way purchases are implemented. Basically the other applications come from packages in some Ubuntu archive, but commercial apps are provided as individual (i.e. per-app) PPAs. When you buy one, you basically obtain a subscription to a private PPA <dpm> so I'm not sure how to best extract the descriptions <kelemengabor> that would be a little tricky, yes :( #ubuntu-translators 2011-09-14 <dpm> morning kelemengabor. On bug 835929, I'm not too sure I understand the fix. So now we'll have versioned gcc translation domains, but how will they work if gcc is expecting a non-versioned domain? <dpm> hm, bugbot not working? <kelemengabor> dpm: good morning <dpm> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/835929 <kelemengabor> does gcc expecting a non-versioned domain? <kelemengabor> my little test showed that it needs version numbers <dpm> kelemengabor, I thought that's what you said in the bug description <dpm> let me re-read, it might have been me misreading it <kelemengabor> dpm: I just finished a test install with todays iso and this happens with the gcc domains: http://people.ubuntu.com/~kelemeng/pix/gcc.png <dpm> kelemengabor, ok, yeah, you're right, the symlink part confused me a bit, I had just read it the other way round. Good work with fixing all the templates <dpm> kelemengabor, I'm going to talk to the LP people, as it seems that last Thursday's and yesterday's language pack exports did not happen -> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+language-packs <kelemengabor> the only problem is that we have several gcc.mo files on the iso, most of them being about 1M in size, having this three times may cause the langpacks grow a little too big <dpm> hm, good point. The main iso should only have the en language pack now, though, so it's probably not as much of a problem there <kelemengabor> (in particular, de, es and zh_CN) <kelemengabor> well, todays iso has 5, plus three en_ variants... <dpm> it's strange that they are still in there, they should go away in favour of the localized iso tools <kelemengabor> err, more than 5, actually, all that used to be <TLE> dpm, kelemengabor: Hey, I must have missed the informtion about the chat yesterday and I didn't have a look back here until it was over <TLE> is it a regular thing now? <kelemengabor> TLE: somewhat, yes <dpm> TLE, yeah, although I've been traveling lately and I missed a few <dpm> hm, confirmed, language pack exports are broken. The one from yesterday might still be running, though. Working on a workaround as we speak... <kelemengabor> we skipped one, and delayed the last, but the idea is that the more active translation coordinators speak regularly about things to do <TLE> yeah it sounds like a good idea, I seem to remeber now that there was an email thread about when to place them <kelemengabor> dpm: where should I send that important bugs list we talked about yesterday? UTC list? <kelemengabor> it has already ~15 bugs, and I'm afraid I'd add more if I don't send it now :P <dpm> kelemengabor, yeah, the UTC list should be fine <TLE> *sigh* translating evolution once again, that is just never funny <TLE> dpm: found out why it is that I stuck with gtranslator, as far as I can tell poedit doesn't have the options of showing you suggestions from your library and allowing you to insert them directly i the main interface while you are translating <dpm> TLE, ah, I see. Good point. I haven't used any of them in a while, so I'm no longer familiar with any of them. <TLE> dpm: no ok, it was just because we were talking aobut it yesterday and it bothered me that I couldn't remember why *G* <dpm> ok :) <TLE> Ohhh man. I'm on vacation; started the day with breakfeast and a epideo of DS9, now sitting in my couch with a laptop, a cup of coffee within reach and some old Kashmir on the stereo. 2 or 3 months more like this and I'll be all human again ;) <TLE> #: ../modules/spamassassin/evolution-spamassassin.c:864 <TLE> #, fuzzy <TLE> #| msgid "This will make SpamAssassin more reliable, but slower" <TLE> msgid "This will make SpamAssassin more reliable, but slower." <TLE> msgstr "Dette vil gÃ¸re SpamAssassin mere pÃ¥lidelig, men langsommere" <TLE> yep, updating the evolution translation is just the way I remember it *G* <kelemengabor> TLE: have you seen e-d-s yet? <kelemengabor> its full with this: <kelemengabor> #, fuzzy <kelemengabor> #| msgid "Cannot get contact: %s" <kelemengabor> msgid "Cannot get contact: " <kelemengabor> :P <TLE> no I have not, I'm starting to remember why we usually do red wine with gnome translations sprints <TLE> I mean, it is not the fact that they are fixing them, that is just good, but seriously the inability of the evolution dev to enforce some kind of string policy is second to none <TLE> it's just a bit to early for red wine here, even when on vacation, will save e-d-s for later <kelemengabor> :D <TLE> I don't even understand why they did the fix you just listed, it is not as if they cannot put variable in the strings, and it is just gonna make theor code uglier <TLE> "Cannot get contact: %s" % contact -> "Cannot get contact: " + str(contact) <TLE> or however that the second part is done in c <TLE> ooooh my, find the change *G* <TLE> #: ../plugins/itip-formatter/itip-formatter.c:1067 <TLE> #, fuzzy <TLE> #| msgid "Opening the calendar. Please wait.." <TLE> msgid "Opening the calendar. Please wait..." <TLE> msgstr "Ã bner kalenderen. Vent venligst.." <kelemengabor> . <kelemengabor> at the end, there is one more period <TLE> you've won <TLE> ohh well, enough evolution bashing <dpm> TLE, kelemengabor, and you know what they will do on next release, don't you? Replace '...' with 'â¦' (ellipse character)! :D <dpm> that's always my favourite <TLE> actually I think they already went both ways on that change *G* <dpm> :) <sagaci> hi, dpm, I've filed a question on lp, what are the guidelines for inactive leaders on translation group, or is there a link related to this? <dpm> hi sagaci, this should help you: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/RoleReassignmentPolicy <sagaci> thanks <TLE> hmm, grumble, really wished that the po-file definition was a bit more specific <dpm> ok, language packs sorted. The next Oneiric language pack should be available on Friday <kelemengabor> dpm: hooray \o/ <dpm> :) #ubuntu-translators 2011-09-15 <oier> Hi, I have a question about suggestions in Launchpad <oier> it seems that when you modify a translation, Launchpad suggests both terms(the old no more existing translation and the modified one) in other packages <oier> for example in https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/kde-workspace/+pots/kwin-effects/eu/10/+translate there are several suggestions from Ibai Oihanguren made in the same package, but that string(https://translations.launchpad.net/docky/2.1/+pots/docky/eu/166/+translate) has only one translation there <oier> is it a bug on Launchpad? <oier> by the the the link on the suggestions page is also wrong because it link to string nÂº 174 in docky-core eventhough it is actually the 166 <dpm> I believe the wrong suggestion number is a known bug <dpm> and the other one happens because old translations are hidden from the template where they were superseded, but they are still on the database and show up as global suggestions in all other templates <oier> and can't they be deleted? <dpm> afaik, they can't <oier> the problem is that when you correct the translation and the uncorrected one gets suggestes, this one can propagate through other packages <oier> if the at the beginning a was translated as b, but then corrected to c. People who translate other packages will get b and c as suggestions and maybe chose the uncorrect option <oier> should we fill a bug for this? <dpm> oier, I think there is one already, but it might be a good idea to file one if there isn't <dpm> well, two bugs, one for each issue <oier> against Launchpad? <dpm> oier, yes <head_victim> dpm: when you get a chance, https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+question/170787 - tl;dr version is the translation team owner appears absent, an active contributor (hall of famer - sagaci) wants to take up the challenge of rejuvenating the team. Is there anything else we need to do or show? <dpm> head_victim, could you add your +1 on sagaci taking over the team? Just adding a reply to the question will do <dpm> then I'll assign it to the LP admins to make the change <head_victim> dpm: no worries, wasn't sure if that was appropriate so I'll make it so. <dpm> head_victim, yeah, is just a sanity check, to ensure other members of the team agree <dpm> and that there is record of it <dpm> head_victim, let me know as soon as you've had the chance to reply, and then I'll assign the support request to the admins <head_victim> Writing it now <head_victim> Comment added, let me know if that's appropriate or more detail is required. <dpm> head_victim, that should be all, thanks. It may take a day or two, but the admins will now take care of transferring sagaci the ownership <head_victim> dpm: thanks, a day or two will be more than quick enough. <dpm> excellent :) <head_victim> he's really taken on a lot of work on that translations so it's good reward <dpm> that's awesome <dpm> looking forward to hear more from the Australian team! <dpm> kelemengabor, do you happen to know where the "Recovery Console" and "User Defined Session" strings can be translated? They appear on the login screen, if one tries to choose a login session <kelemengabor> dpm: yep, there is even a bug with a bitrotting patch about it <kelemengabor> bug #542068 is it <ubot4> Launchpad bug 542068 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Missing translations for "xterm failsafe session" (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/542068 <kelemengabor> so, the strings are not translatable, but they could be made so <dpm> looking at the bug now... <dpm> kelemengabor, do you happen to know how the handling of those strings with lightdm has changed? <kelemengabor> no - aren't they still in gdm? <dpm> I'm not sure if we're using rhonda96@example.net. My hope is that lightdm uses them directly and thus we have a better chance of getting someone to look at merging the change to lightdm <dpm> it seems to still be gdm which installs those files <kelemengabor> indeed: <kelemengabor> $ dpkg -S /usr/share/xsessions/xterm.desktop <kelemengabor> gdm: /usr/share/xsessions/xterm.desktop <head_victim> dpm: sagaci is actually looking at driving a localised iso here as well ;) <dpm> brilliant :) <head_victim> I'm going to try and gee up the artistic people in the team for desktops and stuff like that. Get everyone involved. <kelemengabor> eeek... bug 512395 became wontfix in LO :( <ubot4> Launchpad bug 512395 in openoffice.org (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Libreoffices .desktop files do not contain translation domain info (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 9)" [Wishlist,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/512395 <dpm> kelemengabor, in openoffice, the task is still open for libreoffice, luckily <kelemengabor> dpm: okay, then I calm down :) <kelemengabor> dpm: one more question, why are the iso-codes domains exposed in Ubuntu translations, if we write on the <kelemengabor> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline page: <kelemengabor> ISO Codes: Please translate upstream, we will only sync from Debian and won't use the translations from Launchpad directly. <kelemengabor> I just don't see the point :( <dpm> kelemengabor, let me come back to you in a few mins, on a call right now <kelemengabor> also, about bug #542068: gdm was moved to universe recently, so we might just give up hope for this <ubot4> Launchpad bug 542068 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Missing translations for "xterm failsafe session" (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/542068 <dpm> bummer! <dpm> let's talk about it tomorrow, I need to go now. I'll do some more prodding on #ubuntu-devel <jsjgruber_xchat> For a python/glade package using distutils-extra, what command should I use to generate an updated .pot file? Someone said to use python setup.build_i18n -p but that doesn't seem to be valid by itself. Alone or with the -m option do seem to work, but I don't know if I should use one of those. #ubuntu-translators 2011-09-16 <trijntje> Hi all, is there any news regarding the localised images? I havent heard anything since the announcement on the ubuntu translators mailinglist #ubuntu-translators 2011-09-18 <trijntje> Hi all, is there a way to see which translations done in launchpad have been released to the beta? #ubuntu-translators 2011-09-19 <yurchor> Hi! There are two templates for gdb in 11.10. Is this intended? <yurchor> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/gdb/+pots/gdb/uk/+translate <yurchor> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/crash/+pots/gdb/uk/+translate <kelemengabor> yurchor: I suppose it isn't <yurchor> kelemengabor: Thanks. :) <kelemengabor> this crash package is interesting, it contains a full tarball of gdb in its tree: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/crash/oneiric/files <kelemengabor> and not even the same version as the standalone gdb <yurchor> babushka doll with surprise ;) <kelemengabor> :D <kelemengabor> dpm_: any news on the langpacks? I see no updates since 0905 <dpm_> kelemengabor, no, I'll have to talk with the LP guys, the last langpack seemed to fail too :/ <kelemengabor> that's a pity :( <kelemengabor> this crash package doesn't seem like supporting i18n, I'm disabling its gdb template #ubuntu-translators 2011-09-20 <andrejz> hello! <andrejz> i am a bit confused about this package in the import queue - po/unity-place-applications.pot in unity-lens-applications in Ubuntu Oneiric <dpm> hi andrejz, it's probably an old pot file that's in the code and got imported. Could you give me the link to the import queue entry and I'll see if I can talk to the developer? <andrejz> sure - https://translations.launchpad.net/+imports/5775889 <andrejz> My suspision is the file is not named properly #ubuntu-translators 2011-09-21 <kelemengabor> dpm: hi, what's your opinion about bug 855085 ? <ubot4> Launchpad bug 855085 in pkgbinarymangler (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Add libapt* to the striptranslations blacklist (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/855085 <dpm> hi kelemengabor, I saw the bug, but I need a bit more time to read your latest comment on the original bug to be able to give an opinion. Sorry to keep pushing things for later, but let me have a look at it in a couple of days, as then I'll have finished the work with developer.ubuntu.com <kelemengabor> okay, I have time :) <Odisha1> hello dpm <dpm> thanks kelemengabor, and again, thanks for the rocking job with bug filing/triaging/fixing. I may not be replying to them lately, but I do see them :) <dpm> hi Odisha1 #ubuntu-translators 2011-09-22 <dpm> good morning all <RawChid> Good morning <dpm> morning RawChid <TLE> dpm: hallo <TLE> sorry, got to go, be online in 30 min <kelemengabor> dpm: good evening, got a minute? <kelemengabor> what should we do about bugs that say package X (or part of its strings) are not translated to language Y? <kelemengabor> like, bug #856505 or bug #856511 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 856505 in lightdm (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "LightDM German translations (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/856505 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 856511 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Unity panel German translations (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/856511 <kelemengabor> I'd throw them out... if they have nothing to do about i18n, else we could have 150 language * 1000 incomplete translation bugs <kelemengabor> the only good thing is that we only have about 10 of these - yet :) <artnay_> I wonder how new language pack one should have to have those translated <artnay_> because I have them untranslated as well (although they have been translated ages ago in LP) <artnay_> but I'm just about to reinstall oneiric... actually the installer is running now <artnay_> I need a fresh start with oneiric, it's way too buggy for me at the moment <artnay_> even the installer seems to crash now. <artnay_> not just oneiric but I'm getting pissed with LP as well ;) because of bug 818230 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 818230 in launchpad "LP translations get overwritten by upstream imports (affects: 1) (heat: 13)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/818230 <artnay_> this time grub translations were overwritten with horrible mistakes <artnay_> yep, this installer is totally stuck. have to reboot. <trijntje_> what about bugs that say X not translated, while it shows translated in LP? I know that lightdm is also untranslated in Dutch while it has been complete in LP for months <artnay_> trijntje_: same in Finnish <artnay_> trijntje_: I think it's a different package though (at least in LP), those string belong to unity-greeter <artnay_> oh great, onscreen keyboard doesn't work in unity-greeter :( <artnay_> oh, hopefully it will be fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/851565 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 851565 in unity-greeter (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Onscreen Keyboard cannot be used to input password (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 26)" [High,Fix committed] <artnay_> have you noticed this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/856655 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 856655 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "Keyboard layout string doesn't exist in translation template (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] <artnay_> the whole window is in English but that seems to be the only string which doesn't exist in template <kelemengabor> artnay_: is this (#856655) on the text-based installer, or the graphical one? <artnay_> kelemengabor: graphical <artnay_> I just did a fresh install <kelemengabor> okay, then it is not the debian-installer package <artnay_> umh, that might be true <artnay_> kelemengabor: however several similar strings exist in debian-installer <dpm> kelemengabor, I think it's fine to triage them, assign them to the appropriate lang team and mark them as low. Btw, I talked to pitti about langpacks: there wasn't an update in the end because he disabled them last week for the beta-2 freeze. We'll reenable them tomorrow <kelemengabor> artnay_: that doesn't help us much <artnay_> kelemengabor: it doesn't exist in ubiquity, either <artnay_> kelemenga: this is what we have in a template: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/debian-installer/+pots/debian-installer/fi/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=This+default+value+is <artnay_> almost the same but not quite <kelemengabor> dpm: okay, I'll leave them then <dpm> thanks kelemengabor, looking forward to be able to spend some more time on translations next week :) <artnay_> kelemenga: #856655 now has a screenshot <dpm> I've got to go now <dpm> have a good evening everyone! <artnay_> bye dpm <kelemengabor> artnay_: cool, that always helps :) <artnay_> can someone help with this one? I see only some filesystems listed in debian-installer, not all: http://imgur.com/r7A5w and https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/debian-installer/+pots/debian-installer/fi/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=sis%C3%A4lt%C3%A4v%C3%A4 <artnay_> I'm actually looking for "btrfs tapahtumakirjanpidon sisÃ¤ltÃ¤vÃ¤ tiedostojÃ¤rjestelmÃ¤" <artnay_> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/debian-installer/+pots/debian-installer/fi/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=btrfs nothing <artnay_> it's somehow translated but can't see how <artnay_> any ideas? <artnay_> kelemenga: that Switch User Account... (#856511) could also be a bug since the original string is "Switch from %s..." and the alternative string is triggered by translators (setting 0 to 1 in a translation template) <artnay_> uh, oh, what... this is a fresh install and I tried to start U1. it brings a window in front of me containing "Install Ubuntu One" and a lot of other text that doesn't exist in any ubuntuone template <kelemengabor> artnay_: strange, that btrfs string should be in debian-installer or ubiquity, but none of them contains it <artnay_> kelemenga: true <kelemengabor> perhaps debian-installer was not updated recently... <kelemengabor> I have no other idea <artnay_> kelemenga: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/debian-installer/+imports <kelemengabor> as for #856511, I think just a new langpack is missing <artnay_> and... <artnay_> Version: 20101020ubuntu65 <kelemengabor> at least I remember I translated it <artnay_> a year old debian-installer, might be that <artnay_> ok, tracked down the reason for ubuntuone-installer not being translated <artnay_> it's been just added as a template and the template has very low priority (leaving it to last page of templates!) <artnay_> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/ubuntuone-installer/+pots/ubuntuone-installer please raise the priority (so that it's among other ubuntuone templates in "front page") <kelemengabor> artnay_: what is this ubuntuone-installer? could you make a screenshot? <artnay_> kelemenga: if you're running oneiric, just type ubuntuone-installer <artnay_> basically it seems like u1 isn't installed by default but the installer is <artnay_> kelemenga: http://i.imgur.com/re6fD.png <artnay_> and actually that "Learn more" isn't even translatable <kelemengabor> oh, I see... my system is updated since long, u1 was always installed :) <artnay_> or it comes from another template, don't know (didn't look at the code) <artnay_> kelemenga: that (and the unstability) are the reasons why I keep reinstalling ;) <kelemengabor> priority bumped <artnay_> thanks <kelemengabor> artnay_: indeed, it is not marked for translation: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/ubuntuone-installer/oneiric/view/head:/ubuntuone/installer/gui.py#L163 <kelemengabor> could you file a bug about this? <artnay_> kelemenga: sure <kelemengabor> cool, thanks! <artnay_> nor is install button <artnay_> hmm, it is but doesn't exist in a template <artnay_> self.__main_button = Gtk.Button.new_with_mnemonic('I_nstall') <kelemengabor> nice catch too :) <artnay_> bug 856728 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 856728 in ubuntuone-installer (Ubuntu) "Missing translations (Learn more, Install) in ubuntuone-installer window (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/856728 <artnay_> hey, this seems cool: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-September/034122.html <artnay_> now open up ubuntu friendly for translations ;) #ubuntu-translators 2011-09-23 <dpm> good morning all! <TLE> dpm, kelemengabor: hallo and goodmorning <kelemengabor> TLE: good morning <TLE> We were supposed to start another round of testing yesterday, and so I was wondering if you could bring me up to speed on the status of language pack generation <TLE> I think I saw a few emails in my reportwriting haze about about problems, including extra in them etc. so how is everything looking <kelemengabor> well, I think I forgot about that :( <TLE> about what <TLE> og the one yesterday <TLE> og=oh <kelemengabor> yes <TLE> never mind that, I already announced that I'm back so technically I forgot it ;) <TLE> well, announced in her anyway <TLE> jebus I cannot type this morning, slowing the pace a little <kelemengabor> :) <TLE> well my point is, that if everything runs smoothly I'll try and ping pitti to ask him to copy the latest build to proposed <TLE> I just seem to remember some stuff about including the lates documentation build or some stuff like that <kelemengabor> well, including docs translations would be awesome, but we should ask the docs team to generate an updated documentation package <kelemengabor> then request a full langpack update, not just the regular incremental one <TLE> btw is it just me or are the ubuntu email-lists uncharacteristicly quiet? <kelemengabor> not just you <TLE> ok, but has it been done earlier in this cycle, or am I imagining something <kelemengabor> yes, last time! :) <TLE> ahh ok, but maybe it is ok that we don't do it this time, hopefully most of the translation effort has been pushed towards the development version by now <kelemengabor> also, requesting the full langpack can happen here: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+language-packs but last time I tried, I had no permission <kelemengabor> TLE: I wrote a mail about this recently, and not really... gnome-help is way better translated in LP than in upstream <TLE> ah yeah, but I wasn't talking about LP vs. upstream, but more natty vs. oneiric in LP, I would think that most translators would be working on oniriec in LP by now <kelemengabor> oh, sure <kelemengabor> in the future however, it would be great to agree on a schedule of such updates with the docs team <TLE> so, hopefully there hasn't been so much progress on natty docs since july that we need a full update this time <TLE> yes, we should mark a few of the update cycles in the schedule as including docs updates <kelemengabor> I hope dpm didn't forgot to include this idea for next UDS :) <TLE> well, its just a matter of me doing that for the schedule and getting some docs people in on the approval of the schedule, and getting someone with access to order full exports for this cycles <TLE> I think that could be done without much effort, I'll start working on a draft for the next cycle schedule soon <artnay_> nice, I was thinking ubuntu-docs yesterday <artnay_> how it got just updated, plenty of new strings just before nonlanguagepackfreeze... <artnay_> should be scheduled better than it is now. <TLE> yes, but that is not actually what we were talking about <artnay_> TLE: true but it's still important <TLE> yes it is <artnay_> ubuntu-docs currently isn't very well translated, we should encourage people to participate for 12.04 LTS docs: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/ubuntu-docs/+pots/ubuntu-help <TLE> kelemengabor: well if we agree of doing a normal cycle this time for natty, I try and reach pitti <kelemengabor> TLE: I'm ok with that <TLE> ok, wait a minute, was there something about dpm getting access to upload to proposed, or am I imagining that? <artnay_> btw https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs seems to point to natty docs <artnay_> Launchpad currently recommends translating Ubuntu Documentation natty series. You can also download translations for natty. <andrejz> i think one week is still available for translation of ubuntu-docs but there is not much activity from the teams. probably only a handful of the teams will have a 100% translation of the docs <andrejz> maybe we should think how to improve their visibility under translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu as most people tend to go there to search for untranslated strings <andrejz> and good morning / day to all <kelemengabor> andrejz: good morning, how about bumping its priority? <artnay_> andrejz: true, they should be given more priority and also inform via mailing lists etc. <andrejz> kelemengabor: i was thinking the same thing. Do you think it's reasonable to raise the priority above Kubuntu UI? <kelemengabor> I think it is <andrejz> ok i can do that. Now only 3 languages have less then 1000 remaining strings to translate * andrejz feels very proud Slovenian is one of them <TLE> dpm: ping <TLE> ahh friday is pizza day at work <dpm> hi TLE, sorry for the delay, I'm a bit tied up with other projects until next week <andrejz> hello dpm i was wondering why untranslated string count under - https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs/oneiric and under https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/ (the ubuntu-docs package) <andrejz> are they not synced regularly? <dpm> they should, but there is an issue with message sharing <dpm> I just haven't had the time to look at it or ask someone in LP to look at it yet :/ <andrejz> but in case message sharing doesn't get sorted out in time which version should we translate <dpm> andrejz, always the Ubuntu version <andrejz> hm in our case 200 strings remain in ubuntu but only 100 in the docs version <andrejz> so it doesn't make sense to translate the same strings again <dpm> andrejz, you can export the translations from ubuntu and upload them to upstream <andrejz> but we do currently work in upstream. so it makes sense to export from upstream (ubuntu.-u-docs) and import into Ubuntu or not? <dpm> andrejz, I'd do it just in case, to be on the safe side <andrejz> can someone confirm a translation bug form me? <andrejz> for me* <andrejz> go to banshee > credits > translators <andrejz> some of the names are displayed with question marks <artnay_> encoding problem? are you using utf-8? <kelemengabor> andrejz: I remember that I saw this somewhere in Gnome Bugzilla <kelemengabor> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=545602 <kelemengabor> see comment 5 <artnay_> I wouldn't hold my breath to see it fixed any time soon <andrejz> ok <artnay_> but then again, I don't even use banshee. mainly because it doesn't a) allow to select multiple folders as source b) follow symbolic links well <Jessica_Lily> dpm: Hey, the glibc people rejected na'vi <Jessica_Lily> blahh not helpful #ubuntu-translators 2011-09-24 <bulldog98> could someone of the German team review my translation sugenstions in https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/kubuntu-docs thanks #ubuntu-translators 2011-09-25 <trijntje> Quick question, is this the correct link for the Ubuntu Documentation? https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/ubuntu-docs/ <trijntje> What is the status of the localised oneiric images? <kelemengabor> trijntje: yes, that's the link to the Oneiric docs, and I have no idea about the localized images, please ask dpm tomorrow <trijntje> kelemengabor: thanks! I saw some messages on the ML about templates that would be disabled, so I wanted to make sure <kelemengabor> yes, but that will be the gnome-user-docs <artnay_> could someone give more priority to ubuntu-docs next cycle? only 4 days left to nonlanguagepack-dl <trijntje> its pretty low on the list now, thats true, but is there any data on how many people actually use them? <artnay_> trijntje: I think popular contest just lists yelp, not what it loads <artnay_> not sure though <trijntje> artnay_: we wont be translating the docs for this release, maybe the next one. <artnay_> trijntje: same here, still 1351 untranslated <artnay_> if we (translators) can arrange some sort of (better) schedule with docs team for oneiric+1, that would be great #ubuntu-translators 2011-09-26 <TLE> dpm: hallo <dpm> hey TLE :) <TLE> ahh, we need to figure something out with the next language pack update, but I'll not be as much available for chat this week, I'll have a large ping <dpm> ok, we can also do e-mail if you prefer <TLE> nah it's ok, as long as you don't mind, point is that we need to figure out if wa have packs built from the end of last week and if we can get them placed in -proposed <dpm> yeah. I need to have a chat with pitti today to sort out the Oneiric langpacks as well <TLE> how is it, did you get the permissions to upload the packs or do we still go to pitti for that? <TLE> for natty, since we are so late in the cycle, I don't think we need to wait until the end of this week to get fresh packs, but can just use the ones from thursday <dpm> I'll need to check, as I've only done it once, but generally, it's better to talk to pitti, as he's obviously got more packaging experience than me. Ack on Natty langpacks <TLE> great, let me know what happens <Odisha1> hello dpm <Odisha1> how r u.. <dpm> hi Odisha1 <Odisha1> now i m creating a guidline page for oriya translation <Odisha1> :) <artnay_> oh god, there should be something like "stringlocking" available in LP when translating docs... <artnay_> absolute horror when docs team swaps a few words and then you need to translate again ~30 words. <sagaci> but then again it may not apply or the translation may be slightly different for some languages, albeit a small change-around by the docs team <kelemengabor> sagaci: there are nice solutions for this on the maket, too bad that LP does not do something like this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~kelemeng/pix/K%C3%A9perny%C5%91k%C3%A9p-default%20%E2%80%93%20Lokalize.png <kelemengabor> artnay_: there is one trick you might want to try, the Translation Details link at the top of the template - click the filter link after your name, and you can see the old translations you made to the given template. <kelemengabor> it is far from being a real translation memory, but that's all we got right now <hggdh> hello. I received this email: "Hello! My name is Daniil. I'm from Russia. I'm read <hggdh> http://team.ubuntu.ru/qa, and i see orfografic error "Ð¡Ð¾Ð¾Ð±ÑÐµÐ½Ð¸Ðµ Ð¸Ð»Ð¸ <hggdh> ÐºÐ¾Ð¼Ð¼ÐµÐ½ÑÐ°ÑÐ¸Ð¹ Ð¿ÑÐ¸ Ð¾Ð±Ð½ÑÑÐ¶ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ð¸ ". Need - "Ð¾Ð±Ð½ÐÑÑÐ¶ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ð¸"." <hggdh> can someone take care of it? <Jessica_Lily> dpm glibc upstream said no to na'vi <trijntje> ping dpm, is there any news on the project for localised ubuntu images? #ubuntu-translators 2011-09-28 <dpm> good morning all <sagaci> hi dpm <dpm> hey sagaci :) <artnay_> is there any way to raise the &batch= from 300 to higher number? <artnay_> +filter?person=name&batch=300&memo=50&start=150 <artnay_> I have like 950 translations in this one template and would like to do ctrl+f for those <sagaci> artnay_, would be useful <artnay_> batch seems to use 300 as the highest possible value when indexing templates/filtering user contributed translations <TLE> dpm: goodmorning <dpm> hey TLE, good morning! <dpm> artnay_, there isn't any plan to raise that number. I think the limit was set for performance purposes and to avoid timeouts and oopses. You might want to check if there is an existing bug in LP for that <TLE> dpm: so what was the story about the lang packs <TLE> phew, finished the release notes for GNOME, just in time <head_victim> Anyone know a good place to talk about wishlist items for translating on launchpad? <head_victim> I'd like to be able to easily report bugs in translations as I'm doing them. For example if a string has a typo on them I want to be able to tick a box and it autogenerate a bug report. <TLE> I think you report it as a wishlist bug against launchpad translations <head_victim> I'm starting to think it's just me being lazy :/ <TLE> head_victim: maybe, I mean I can sort of see your point, but for me what you are asking would be very far down the prioritized list that I would like to see in launchpad translations, efter e.g. a feedback on proofreading-system <sagaci> what was the date/freeze when the new base packs for translations start happening? I remember reading it somewhere <kelemengabor> sagaci: see here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule <sagaci> that tells me when the freezes happen but the most recent base packs are dated 24/08, just wondering when newer packs will be available <andrejz> Hello dpm! <andrejz> i have some questions about the email about meadow mari team <dpm> hi andrejz <dpm> sure <dpm> btw andrejz, kelemengabor, are you up for the call tomorrow? <andrejz> how/where can plural forms be specified ? <kelemengabor> dpm: probably yes :) <andrejz> yes <dpm> andrejz, they just need to file a support request against the launchpad project and any lp developer can set those in lp. If they ping me about it, I've also got permissions to do it, so this might speed things up <dpm> andrejz, kelemengabor, cool, thanks <andrejz> well they only have 1 plural form so it should be easy <andrejz> to quote team admin: Meadow Mari and Hill Mari both have only 1 plural form when it is used with numbers. <andrejz> 0 words = 0 Ð¼ÑÑ <andrejz> 1 word = 1 Ð¼ÑÑ <andrejz> 2 words = 2 Ð¼ÑÑ <andrejz> dpm, a question has already been asked - https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/172120 <dpm> andrejz, ok, let me see if I can get to it by tomorrow's call, where I'd like to do a review of pending support requests <andrejz> great <andrejz> i am writing a reply right now <andrejz> can you also please forward me the actions from the last meeting? <andrejz> dpm <andrejz> i am writing an email about translations of universe packages in launchpad <andrejz> i am wondering are they going to be translatable under translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu or seperately <dpm> andrejz, they'll be translatable under the same urls <andrejz> ok <dpm> i.e. there won't be a distinction between universe and main <andrejz> another question: when do 12.04 translations branch from the current ones <andrejz> some of the KDE tempaltes still have a priority 0. <andrejz> it would be good to sort that out at least before 12.04 is opened so we have a fresh start <andrejz> maybe you can apply this with the script <andrejz> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ak3RvMevQNNMdFV6eDV1U29Ea3JpUUQ2SkNKTUNYZHc&hl=en_US <andrejz> and then we can create a new list to set priorities <Odisha1> dpm, want language approval for https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-or .. <dpm> andrejz, sure, I'll try to do this before our call tomorrow. I've got more time now that developer.ubuntu.com is online, but also a lot to catch up on translations :) <andrejz> that's great to hear <andrejz> (that you have more time) <dpm> :-) <andrejz> dpm i just sent an email to ubuntu-translations about the Universe packages <dpm> thanks
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