#ubuntu-tablet 2012-02-02 <purvesh> hi all of you ! <imnichol> hey purvesh <purvesh> imnichol, hi, is there any plan that ubuntu is coming for tablet any idea ? <imnichol> I'm not associated with Canonical, so I don't know what they're doing <imnichol> But Mark Shuttleworth did say that it's an objective <imnichol> I know you can install Ubuntu on some tablets as the primary OS, but I haven't done it myself <purvesh> imnichol, ya... they are also planning for phone, do you know how to integrate app to ubuntu for tablet ? <imnichol> I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you're talking about there <imnichol> Are you asking if there are guidelines for creating tablet applications? <purvesh> imnichol, yes <imnichol> Not that I'm aware of <purvesh> imnichol, tablet & phone ! <purvesh> imnichol, ok <imnichol> I think that there's a plan for a HIG, but I don't remember where I heard that <imnichol> Sorry I can't give you a better answer <imnichol> I'm basically just a lurker <Myrtti> I've installed Ubuntu 11.10 on an ExoPC, it works fine apart from some minor problems. I've blogged about it, I've heard that there are vast improvements in precise but I've not tried alpha2 yet myself. <purvesh> imnichol, its fine, thanx for help, i'm also newbee for tablet and phone <purvesh> imnichol, but i want ubuntu should rock on phone like android ! #ubuntu-tablet 2012-02-07 * redttx is away: I'm busy #ubuntu-tablet 2012-02-17 <MrChrisDruif> Hi everyone <MrChrisDruif> I *love* the recent activity in this groups mailing-list #ubuntu-tablet 2012-02-22 <h00k> oh look. this exists. #ubuntu-tablet 2013-02-02 <Becauseican> Oh boy... So what are the odds one of you 4 can help me? <Becauseican> Trying to get network to work on Nexus 7 running Xubuntu. I/o error #ubuntu-tablet 2013-02-13 * popey waves <mhall119> popey! <mhall119> most activity this channel has seen in a year <popey> sorry. I'll be quiet #ubuntu-tablet 2013-02-15 <nOStahl> any news with ubuntu-tablet now that ubuntu for phones is coming out #ubuntu-tablet 2013-02-18 * popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-tablet to: Welcome to #ubuntu-tablet | http://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tablet | This channel is logged to http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | Tick, tock, tablet time! http://www.ubuntu.com/ <mhall119> tick tock, tick tock <AlanBell> QML tablets you say? Nexus 7 flashable image? oh yummy <mhall119> I do hope so <nOStahl> i'd like to see the ubuntu for phones project take off , and see tablet shell you can dock your phone into <nOStahl> or a laptop shell you can dock your phone in and have a new form factor <mhall119> or a tv you can dock your laptop that you docked your tablet that you docked your phone to <nOStahl> no <nOStahl> of course after you dock your phone into a tablet that docks into a laptop THAT docks into your space ship <mhall119> who told you about our space ship plans? <mhall119> I mean, what space ship? <mainerror> Tick, tock. :) <nOStahl> what is the tick tock <mainerror> :) <nOStahl> would make sense for them to launch tablet and phone around same time :P <mainerror> I feel like this http://lc.fdots.com/cc/lc/ea/eaf96e3242bfaa02573949a6ced1f349.gif <Akiva-Desktop> what is this tick tock tablet time? <Akiva-Desktop> on ubuntu.com? <mainerror> Akiva-Desktop: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/02/ubuntu-gearing-up-for-tablet-announcement-tomorrow <Akiva-Desktop> mainerror: I have a thinkpad convertable tablet <Akiva-Desktop> wondering if a release will be issued, and whether I should get it, or the desktop version <Akiva-Desktop> unless... are most tablets arm? <mainerror> I guess you should stay with the desktop version. <Akiva-Desktop> mainerror: Yah, guess so <M4rtinK> I would say the announcement is either an image with the Ubuntu Components & Qt 5 for Nexus 7 <M4rtinK> or some re-branded tablet being available with Ubuntu (less probable, due to the issues Cordia & Plasma Active faced when trying to do something like that) <mhall119> Akiva-Desktop: most tablets are ARM, yes <mhall119> there are a few exceptions <Akiva-Desktop> mhall119: like the thinkpad tablets :P <M4rtinK> yeah, for example the We Tab/Exo PC <mhall119> I don't know what those are <Akiva-Desktop> I wish we could get thinkpad to be an official distrobutor of ubuntu <M4rtinK> it even has a built-in cooling fan :) <Akiva-Desktop> they make the best hardware behind apple imo <M4rtinK> in the top line - sure <mhall119> Akiva-Desktop: I believe Lenovo already sells Ubuntu pre-installed on some models <Akiva-Desktop> mhall119: You don't know of the convertible thinkpads? Oh man, these are legendary. <M4rtinK> Thinkpad Edge - not so much <mhall119> Akiva-Desktop: I'm just happy with my X220 <mainerror> Akiva-Desktop: Those are not really tablets though. <M4rtinK> T520 FTW :) <Akiva-Desktop> mhall119: Ah, so you do know :) <popey> I've yet to see an X86 tablet that didn't suck <Akiva-Desktop> x220 is amazing <mhall119> I know about laptops <mhall119> not their tablets <Akiva-Desktop> yah, its x series, with a t and the end <Akiva-Desktop> x220t <mhall119> oh, that's be a big tablet <Akiva-Desktop> I have the x60 t, picked it up on craigslist for 120 <mhall119> I mean, it's a nice small laptop, but it would be a big tablet <Akiva-Desktop> mhall119: Yessum. <Akiva-Desktop> Well, its a bit heavier than the x220 too, so <Akiva-Desktop> never been slim unfortunately <mhall119> but if it's an x220, then it's likely an x86 chip <Akiva-Desktop> the ideapad yoga looks interesting, but its ideapad. <mhall119> not that it matters a whole lot to Ubuntu <Akiva-Desktop> mhall119: Yah, same hardware, just a bit thicker and heavier <mhall119> since we can re-compile most of our archive for both <Akiva-Desktop> mhall119: Using it though with unity, made me really appreciate how good it is with tablets. <mhall119> won't matter for apps either, since we're pushing for the use of non-compiled QML <M4rtinK> well, even if QML itself is not compiled <Akiva-Desktop> the best feature is how you do window scrolling with the sidebar, having that little floating button with the two arrows. it is perfect for a stylus or finger. <M4rtinK> most non-trivial QML apps have a lot of C++ backend stuff <mhall119> M4rtinK: I've heard QML2 makes that less necessary than QML1 did <Akiva-Desktop> mhall119: any plans for the onscreen keyboard to take handwriting input? <mhall119> Akiva-Desktop: I'm not aware of any for Linux, no <Akiva-Desktop> that is hard stuff to program <M4rtinK> mhall119: it is much better, but some APIs are still not yet available <Akiva-Desktop> I found one, it was... well you had to write one for each letter first before it recognized it <Akiva-Desktop> like, it had to learn from your examples. <M4rtinK> mhall119: such as clipborad access or settings storage/persistence <M4rtinK> *clipboard <mhall119> M4rtinK: ah, we should make QML plugins for those though <mainerror> Forget about handwriting input, swipe typing is the way to go. :) <M4rtinK> mhall119: IIRC for those two it is already WIP <M4rtinK> mhall119: other than missing interfaces, writing complex software logic using Javascript might get quite interesting :) <M4rtinK> mhall119: my solution - use Python for the backend :) <M4rtinK> mhall119: should work quite nicely once the PySide or PyQt support for Qt 5 improves <Akiva-Desktop> mainerror: it would be nice however to maintain the elegance that is handwriting. <mainerror> Akiva-Desktop: You clearly never saw my handwriting. :D <Akiva-Desktop> real handwriting too; A font feels terribly pretentious. <Akiva-Desktop> mainerror: TouchÃ© <GuidoPallemans> htc.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssnw2GA657s <nOStahl> interesting <M4rtinK> so probably a rebranded HTC tablet running Ubuntu ? :) <mhall119> "probably" might be too strong a word for it <M4rtinK> 100% sure ? :) <k1l> why rebrand? if its a htc tablet with ubuntu OS (instead of Andriod OS) <M4rtinK> good point <k1l> i mean, why should htc advertise a device thats not labled with htc :) <M4rtinK> I mean basically being able to get a (HTC ?) tablet with Ubuntu preloaded <mattwj2002> hi guys #ubuntu-tablet 2013-02-19 <sayd> any sneak preview pics? <IdleOne> probably not till the countdown is up <ubuntubhoy> with under 3 hours on the clock, I thought it might have been busier in here <smartboyhw> lol <ubuntubhoy> need to get in early to get the best seats <smartboyhw> ubuntubhoy, there aren't any *seats* <ubuntubhoy> In my imagination there are <ubuntubhoy> big comfy ones down at the front <GuidoPallemans> less than one hour to go... <mcmullins> are they going to have a google hangout, or anything like that again? <nOStahl> its going to be a 20 dollar tablet with dual core and 2 gigs of ram with ubuntu on it <IdleOne> heh, wishful thinking? <nOStahl> with HTC subsidizing <smartboyhw> LOL <mainerror> This list seems to be outdated, eh? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TabletList <wdnz> gah. I can't wait another 30 minutes to find out. <IdleOne> you waited 23.5 hrs, you're going to give up now when you can see the finish line? <mcmullins> Don't worry, once you find out, you'll have to wait another year before you can buy it :P <nOStahl> leave him IdleOne he's down and out! * genii-around makes a pot of coffee and hands out the mugs <wdnz> cheers * mcmullins cheers <nOStahl> speaking of thatâ¦ I better go make myself an Americano before I get a headache from lack of caffeine <mainerror> Tick, tock. :D <mainerror> Soon. <genii-around> I imagine it will have Ubuntu for Mobile <nOStahl> uTouch :P <mcmullins> genii-around, I hope it has the mobile version <DJones> When I left home this morning, HTC.com and Ubuntu.com's countdown timers where matching, now htc's is 3 minutes faster, I guess they're going for an early unveiling <mcmullins> I'd rather have a complete rethink of the unity interface, than have 3 different Unities that we have to try to smash together <genii-around> I figure it will be a 10" version of the Flyer, with probably a quad core <nOStahl> the timers match up perfectly DJones <IdleOne> depends who's looking at the clock <DJones> nOStahl: I see a 3 minute difference <nOStahl> what part of the world <IdleOne> 1 minute diff here <wdnz> 0.2 milisecond diff here. <genii-around> From here the timers sync up, HTC 1 minute fast <nOStahl> are they going to announce anything in here too? <IdleOne> probably/maybe <guest1__> what i thought the htc timer was for the htc one ... <AlanBell> HTC have done their bit already, nothing to do with us * vibhav bites nails <nOStahl> 5 min! <vibhav> Time is going slow. <vibhav> Very slow. <nOStahl> and everyone's quiet now lol starting to stare at their screens <blow> 2 min <nOStahl> !! it ended and said just kidding! <blow> does anyone want to talk about mickey mouse while we wait? <blow> 30 seconds <blow> 20 <blow> 15 <blow> 10 <wdnz> 10 <blow> 5 <blow> 4 <blow> 3 <blow> 2 <blow> 7 <blow> 1 <blow> k=lol <mainerror> nice <wdnz> loadddinnnggg <vibhav> It's spinning <mainerror> Of course the servers are going down. <blow> and then it hangs... <mcmullins> aaaaand server crash <mcmullins> 503 <blow> and then it hangs... <blow> and hangs... <vibhav> And it's down <netcurli> impossible.. ubuntu server doesn't crash :P <vibhav> Wait, it's up <genii-around> Hehe <mainerror> netcurli: Ubuntu didn't crash but the webserver. :) <mcmullins> you think they would have expected this from the Phone announcement >_< <blow> should i reload the page? <AlanBell> if you left the timer spinning it would do a refresh after 30 seconds <blow> hmm maybe i should wait... <genii-around> blow: Probably not <wdnz> s..should I refresh? <blow> wdnz i have just done that... <IdleOne> htc.com didn't crash <vibhav> Heh <mcmullins> push F5 as quick as you can <nOStahl> hah i got a 503 error <mcmullins> acutally scratch that <charis> The HTC media event has passed without mention of anything Ubuntu. This rumour is therefore squashed. <mcmullins> loop a curl <vibhav> Indeed <netcurli> http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/19/4004336/ubuntu-touch-developer-preview-download-nexus-tablets <genii-around> The servers are probably being hammered already, refreshing it just will make it worse <mosimo> http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/tablet <mosimo> working, but slow <vibhav> 503 :( <mosimo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h384z7Ph0gU&hd=1 <mosimo> that just hityoutube too <nOStahl> I got video of it crashing to 503 error heh <blow> www.ubuntu.com/devices/tablets <blow> no s <blow> www.ubuntu.com/devices/tablet <nOStahl> lol i don't think ubuntu has experienced this much traffic before lol <blow> haha <mosimo> and this isnt even the release for it <blow> nOStahl well, its the biggest channel here at freenode <mosimo> just the announcement <IdleOne> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h384z7Ph0gU&hd=1 <mosimo> Find out when itâs here <mosimo> If youâre not in the mobile industry, but youâre as excited as we are about Ubuntu on tablets, we can alert you by email when the first device is released. <ptl> hi <ptl> will the new tablet interface be available to the nexus 7? <mosimo> probably yea <k1l> is there something like the code released? or is it just an announcment? (like for the -phone) <waspinator> lol video looks like apple ad <mosimo> just annoucement <mosimo> phone source is in 2 days <mosimo> probably tablet later on <mainerror> You know, that's quite impressive. <genii-around> Meh. That was... anti-climactic <IdleOne> isn't it always <vibhav> Okay <waspinator> side stage? looks like windows snap <ptl> phone source is in 2 days -> just ordered a nexus 4 :D <ptl> just for that <vibhav> This is gorgeous <AlanBell> so is this a good excuse to get a nexus 10? <nOStahl> did you guys see that at end of video! the phone dock into a laptop shell <nOStahl> err a tablet shell <nOStahl> !!! <nOStahl> just want i've been wanting <waspinator> that's just a possibility. nexus 4/10 doesn't do that <mosimo> asus padfone thingy does though <Kroach> what the hell was a Windows window doing on Ubuntu in the end part of the tablet video? <mosimo> thin client <not_technical> glad i just got a nexus 7. will definitely try this out, before getting attached to android... :) <mosimo> well you're going to be waiting a bit for the tablet version * popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-tablet to: Welcome to #ubuntu-tablet | http://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tablet | This channel is logged to http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/tablet | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h384z7Ph0gU <AlanBell> is it me, or are all the pictures and videos showing the tablet in landscape orientation? <waspinator> thin client isn't ready yet for regular users is it? <AlanBell> and all the phone stuff in portrait? <AlanBell> waspinator: thin client is fine if you like that sort of thing <AlanBell> rdp is mostly a solved problem <mosimo> http://www.ubuntu.com/static/u/img/devices/tablet-home-portrait.jpg <mosimo> portrait tablet :P <AlanBell> thanks mosimo <waspinator> but I mean there is no GUI to say do: "connect to my windows computer and integrate all its apps into ubuntu" <flintser> ubuntu tablet and phone, musthave(tm) <AlanBell> also a portrait welcome screen on the ubuntu.com homepage <waspinator> you still need a sysadmin to do it for you right? <AlanBell> waspinator: if your windows computer is running the rdp server stuff then you can use remmina to view them <waspinator> ya but that looks ugly. I mean having word in the unity launcher <AlanBell> I think you need special stuff on the windows side to do individual application remoting <waspinator> make it seamless <waspinator> so it's not ready for end users yet... too bad <AlanBell> yeah, windows is not ready for end users <AlanBell> ;) <nOStahl> with all this, theres going to be a hipster movement away from apple to using ubuntu I fear :P <AlanBell> they will get there one day perhaps <mainerror> I think there's something I don't understand about YouTube. That video was viewed 301 times but it got 565 thumbs-up and 5 thumbs-down. How's that even possible? :D <AlanBell> mainerror: youtube bug, all videos stop at 301 for ages <waspinator> lol. well windows runs word pretty well. ideally I would swtich all my pcs to ubuntu and just have a windows 'server' running somewhere hosting the apps I still need. <mainerror> AlanBell: for real? <auc> youtube caches some of that data :) it will be updated eventually <AlanBell> mainerror: http://www.seroundtable.com/youtube-301-views-15347.html <rewarp> mainerror: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIkhgagvrjI <mainerror> wow, I'm slow on those things ._. <rewarp> I only know because I follow the numberphile channel on YouTube. <mosimo> its not a bug. its intentional <waspinator> I think it's kinda false advertising to show word running so seamlessly on the tablet though. since it's such a promoted feature they should get that to work asap <mosimo> they do it and manually check videos to make sure the views are legit <mosimo> when they are the counter continues <mosimo> when approved rather* <AlanBell> waspinator: it will work fine like that, the tablet side shouldn't have a problem with it, you just have to run citrix terminal server on the windows side <mosimo> run xenapp to have application only instead of fulldesktop like in the video too <mosimo> or similar <waspinator> at prohibitive costs I'm sue <AlanBell> waspinator: sure, but it will be standard when Windows is ready for end users <waspinator> right ok. I'm not sure windows is going to be eager to put itself out of business <mosimo> microsoft aren't the ones doing the only programs to allow you to do it <mosimo> citrix, vmware <waspinator> ya but that's the only way it'll become standard <flintser> AlanBell: citrix costs, i bet noone wants to run paid software to get word on ubuntu :) <nOStahl> why do you need word btw <waspinator> word is just an example <nOStahl> I have several offices all setup with libreoffice and they get along just fine <waspinator> mine would kill me <AlanBell> I have no idea why you would want to do it either <waspinator> mark thinks its a good idea <AlanBell> in the demo Excel does not appear in the launcher <mosimo> i'd like it <mosimo> protip: video isnt a live demo <AlanBell> yeah, I know <mosimo> i've got many windows apps that i'd like to be running on it <mosimo> so running it thin client style would be nice for me <mosimo> im the sole it guy at my work and always carrying round my nexus 7 with my <AlanBell> I like the side shelf thing <ubuntubhoy> I think it looks fantastic <mosimo> have been considering getting a microsoft surface pro * AlanBell ponders buying a nexus 10 <waspinator> looks like a copy of windows snap <ubuntubhoy> I also want it on my netbook over a desktop install if thats possible <z2s8> Where can we download it please? <mosimo> cant yet <AlanBell> z2s8: thursday <z2s8> Thx <mosimo> that's phone source <netcurli> according to theverge, the Touch Developer Preview will also include the tablet interface <AlanBell> I would be inclined to believe that as it is an embargoed article and not a rushed one after the announcement <waspinator> magic edges are similar to windows too <waspinator> I wonder what service they'll use for voice recognition <waspinator> anyone think that QML will be what ubuntu desktop is built on soon? <mosimo> ill still run xfce on my laptop <qengho> Good to know! <AlanBell> waspinator: I would think that is very probable <mosimo> it wouldnt suprise me if they did <waspinator> is that what gives the fluidity? I'd love my desktop to be that fluid <mosimo> would need a lot of tweaking to adapt it for desktop with proper multitasking <M4rtinK> so no hardware ? :) <waspinator> nexus 4/7/10 for now <M4rtinK> let me paraphrase an internet meme: "HW or it didn't happen" :) <M4rtinK> there are quite a lot of more or less working tablet UIs (Nemo, Cordia, Plasma Active, Ubuntu Tablet, ...) <M4rtinK> but no device you can order online with one of those installed <waspinator> same could be said for pretty much anything linux <waspinator> besides android <M4rtinK> well, it is much easier to install a Linux distro on a PC <M4rtinK> quite a bit harder on embedded devices with the lack of standardization & many binary blobs <waspinator> maybe that's the problem. make linux easy to install on phones and tablets <M4rtinK> yep, that's also a solution <M4rtinK> but the announcement seems to be (again!) targeted on manufacturers <M4rtinK> or are there already some images one can install on some COTS tablet ? <waspinator> images will come out for the nexus line on the 21st <AlanBell> it was a countdown to a press release, the real stuff is on the 21st <M4rtinK> waspinator: did they confirm they will also release tablet images ? <M4rtinK> well, probably yes :) <M4rtinK> it doesn't seem to be that different <waspinator> not sure, but OMG says so <M4rtinK> I really hope they don't make some fundamental OS-level design mistake <Abhijit> hello <Abhijit> congrats to canonical team and ubuntu team for such nice work. <Abhijit> :-) <Abhijit> looking forward to hear product launch. <M4rtinK> which unfortunately happens quite often for mobile OSes <Abhijit> i am talking about ubuntu\ <Abhijit> not all mobile ossssss <M4rtinK> I was reffering to: 17:55 <M4rtinK> I really hope they don't make some fundamental OS-level design mistake <Abhijit> ok <humanbeing> So why did they design the desktop-Unity like a touch-interface? <waspinator> desktop unity is probably just a stopgap before they move everything to qml <AlanBell> wonder what the side shelf looks like in portrait mode <Abhijit> is ubuntu sdk available for other linux distro? <ubuntubhoy> AlanBell: probably crap - also does it switch to portrait ? <waspinator> maybe it moves to the bottom and makes the phone bit landscape <AlanBell> dunno, there are some shots of it portrait <AlanBell> as far as I am aware nobody has seen the phone change orientation, it is all portrait <humanbeing> waspinator: this would be cool. You could easily develope one programm for all platforms <humanbeing> *devices <waspinator> I think that's their plan * wdnz is away (leaving) <mcmullins> So.. anyone else surprised by mono-develop? <mosimo> what about it? <mcmullins> It's interesting that Ubuntu is attempting to support native windows code <mosimo> what's monodevelop got to do with ubuntu? <waspinator> wait is mono-develop part of the SDK? <mcmullins> http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/monodevelop/ <mosimo> oh <mosimo> nothing wrong with that <mosimo> its just another language <waspinator> oh I thought they were building their own VS/xcode using mono-develop <mcmullins> 2 languages <waspinator> they really should build their own IDE <mcmullins> Seems like they're relying a lot on QtCreator <waspinator> ya maybe they should tweak it and rebrand it as ubuntu development studio or something <waspinator> like so many companies do with eclipse <nOStahl> wish eclipse had git-flow plugin <nOStahl> i use Aptana Studio 3 (web development tweaked version of eclipse) <PTAlisPT__> Hello! Could someone tell me what exacty is needed to run ubuntu on a tablet? <waspinator> a nexus 7/10 <PTAlisPT__> I mean, not an Asus one <PTAlisPT__> Yeah, but those are not that cheap <PTAlisPT__> And their hardware could be better <waspinator> they have a pretty good price-perfomance ratio <PTAlisPT__> I've seen some quad core tablets with 2 gb of ram for 200eur <PTAlisPT__> And that is what really makes the thing interesting <waspinator> wait for the nexus 7v2 in may <Tm_T> PTAlisPT__: like which one? <waspinator> should be that price range <PTAlisPT__> Like these Onda v972 Quad Ramos w30 Quad Nova 10 Quad FreeLander PD80 Vogue Quad ICOO ICOU10GT Quad PiPO MAX M9 Quad <PTAlisPT__> The Quad part is not needed <PTAlisPT__> That was a list I made <PTAlisPT__> I think the PiPo has great quality <PTAlisPT__> But it is only on presale <PTAlisPT__> The ramos is very high quality too <PTAlisPT__> Some of them look suspicious, I mean, they may bee a piece of chineese crap <waspinator> nexus 7 is only $200USD <PTAlisPT__> But some are really damn good! <waspinator> thats less than 200E <PTAlisPT__> But it is only 7" <PTAlisPT__> I would like to have a 10" <PTAlisPT__> And 2gb of ram our more, quad core processor and Gpu 2d/3d acceleration <waspinator> probably going to have to wait for a while longer <PTAlisPT__> (For the mali-400 MP4 or the powervr sg) <PTAlisPT__> :-( <PTAlisPT__> *sgx <PTAlisPT__> sgx 540 I think <waspinator> or save up for the nexus10 <PTAlisPT__> That's really sad <PTAlisPT__> Yeah <PTAlisPT__> Does the nexus 7 have 3d accelerationÂ»? <waspinator> yes. nvidia tegra <PTAlisPT__> Oh, good <PTAlisPT__> When running ubuntu, of course <waspinator> yes <PTAlisPT__> But it's still 7"... <PTAlisPT__> I think the ubuntu is really good and gives support to a LOT of things... <PTAlisPT__> If this would be one of those things... <blitz> is there a faq <Paddy_NI> Is Ubuntu For Phone/Tablet in any way the "Linux for Tablets" that I have been waiting for... <Paddy_NI> Can I fire up a terminal and apt-get install whatever <Paddy_NI> I have also been wondering where the "Ubuntu Image for Nexus 7" fits in with all this? <AlanBell> blitz: there are frequently asked questions, but no frequently answered ones yet, probably a bit more info on thursday <AlanBell> Paddy_NI: I guess if it flips from phone to tablet to pc then yes, stuff will be apt-gettable <AlanBell> the side shelf stuff running phone code is probably what they need a different display server for <Paddy_NI> awesome.. I want this stuff so badly <jelatta> if Ubuntu Touch uses android device drivers, will it be fairly simple to port to other tablets, I own a Transformer Pad TF300 <NullVoxPopuli> so excited for ubuntu on tablets :-) <Paddy_NI> :-D <NullVoxPopuli> I'm gonna get the next version of the nexus 10 when it comes out in like... forever from now <NullVoxPopuli> >_< <bkc_> jelatta: TF300 already runs ubuntu desktop iirc <jelatta> ubuntu desktop yes, I want to get my hands on ubuntu for tablets :) <Paddy_NI> Is Ubuntu For Tablets both ARM and Intel x86_64? <bkc_> yes <Paddy_NI> Cool <Akiva-Thinkpad> I see the place is booming :) <Akiva-Thinkpad> is an image ready for download yet? <bkc_> nope <AlanBell> no, thursday maybe <Paddy_NI> Thursday <bkc_> release is 25-28th <Akiva-Thinkpad> I want to throw this on my thinkpad convertable tablet. <Akiva-Thinkpad> if you say its x86 ready :P <AlanBell> Mobile World Congress is 25-28th <AlanBell> release of some source is 21st <Paddy_NI> I wonder where the Ubuntu Desktop image for Nexus 7 fits in with all this.. and if the Nexus 7 will have Ubuntu for Tablets <AlanBell> my guess is that it won't be x86 from day 1 <AlanBell> huh, they had a conference call about it today <Akiva-Thinkpad> is there a tube of any of this up? <Akiva-Thinkpad> of good ol shuttles promoting the thing? <Paddy_NI> yes <Paddy_NI> Visit ubuntu.com :-) <waspinator> any idea if ubuntu will support stylus ala galaxy note or windows? <Paddy_NI> waspinator: I don't see why it would not really <waspinator> i hope so <waspinator> right now my x86 tablet pc has horrible pen support in ubuntu 12.10 <Akiva-Thinkpad> Paddy_NI: It does not to the extent it does not have a image program that works with pressure points <Akiva-Thinkpad> I am not even sure if Gimp has that capability. <Paddy_NI> Akiva-Thinkpad: Well gimp supports pressure points <Paddy_NI> it does <Paddy_NI> as does inkscape <Akiva-Thinkpad> plugin though, I am sure <Paddy_NI> Yes <waspinator> it doesn't even rotate pen input when I rotate my display screen <waspinator> there are very basic bits that aren't supported before apps can be written for it <Akiva-Thinkpad> speaking of which, are images for tablet going to be limited to the 700 mb of a cd? <Paddy_NI> waspinator: Have you tried installing some raw minced beef into the usb ports? <Akiva-Thinkpad> or will they dare make 1-2 gigabyte images? <waspinator> hmm, no. would that help? <Akiva-Thinkpad> waspinator: Oh you have to write a script for tha <Akiva-Thinkpad> that <Akiva-Thinkpad> I saw a video on the thinkpad tablet with ubuntu, same problem <Paddy_NI> waspinator: Well it would not hurt :-) <Paddy_NI> Sorry I have a problem :-( <Akiva-Thinkpad> when you rotate, mouse still stays the same, and gives you mirror touch <waspinator> that's the kind of stuff I would expect my OS to handle <waspinator> without me writing scripts <Akiva-Thinkpad> waspinator: Well, I feel your pain <Akiva-Thinkpad> waspinator: I could say though, you get what you pay for <waspinator> I just use windows when I need the tablet bits of my computer <waspinator> ya I guess you do <waspinator> windows 8 is great for it actually * Paddy_NI shivers <waspinator> and it only cost me $15 though <Akiva-Thinkpad> waspinator: The script is simple enough; perhaps you and I could work on implimenting this into the distro? <waspinator> so not much more than ubuntu <waspinator> I doubt canonical would include something written by unknowns <Akiva-Thinkpad> waspinator: Rubbish. <bkc_> waspinator: xrandr keeps track of the screen, while xwacom manages the tablet-part, so that's why the mouse isn't rotated when you change the rotation of the screen :) <Akiva-Thinkpad> waspinator: its already written for that matter. <bkc_> Akiva-Thinkpad: and it's in the repo <waspinator> and no one thought it would be a good idea to sync them> <waspinator> at least no one at canonical <Akiva-Thinkpad> waspinator: I think if people come with your attitude; "Why should I do it?" then, its not surprising :P <bkc_> waspinator: no, because that would require them to check each time whether wacom was installed or not. OR slap on even more unnecessary dependencies... <bkc_> and syncing them is easy, the daemon is just an apt-get away :) <bkc_> or SoftwareCenter if you feel like shooting yourself in the foot ;) <waspinator> if its so easy to install, why wouldn't it be an option in additional drivers? <waspinator> or better yet just installed automatically if detected during a system update <waspinator> I'll try it though <waspinator> but it shouldn't require user intervention <Hourd> why not? <bkc_> 1) because the daemon isn't a driver, 2) because not everyone actually changes the orientation of their screens :) <Hourd> its fairly specialist and easy to add <waspinator> whats the daemon's name? <waspinator> all tablets change orientation <waspinator> or at least they should have the option to <bkc_> for the thinkpad tablet there's also a script for automagically change the orientation of both tablet and screen depending on the physical orientation :)' <bkc_> uhm, no? <bkc_> I have a tablet for my desktop... see the problem? :) <waspinator> no ... why would I buy a tablet for my computer? <waspinator> it's already a computer <waspinator> of course I don't want my desktop to switch orientations when I rotate my tablet <Hourd> i also have a tablet for my desktop... which i never change screen orientation <waspinator> I'm not talking about graphics tablets btw <bkc_> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Wacom_Bamboo_Capture_tablet_and_pen.jpg <-- tablet... <bkc_> no, but it's the same concept... <bkc_> it's actually the same thing... <waspinator> uh no. when you say tablet, especially in ubuntu-tablet you aren't talking about graphics tablet periperals <waspinator> the ones I'm talking about have a screen and a computer attached behind it <waspinator> surely ubuntu can see the difference <waspinator> I know windows can <bkc_> no and no <waspinator> that's unfortunate <bkc_> the input-device and driver is the same for external drawing-tablets and mobile tablets <bkc_> for both windows and linux <waspinator> I guess I'm stuck with windows then <waspinator> right, but windows doesn't rotate my screen when I rotate a graphics tablet. <waspinator> it does when I rotate a graphics tablet screen combo <bkc_> no, that's because the graphics tablet doesn't have a gyroscope/accelerometer built in... <waspinator> oh ok, so adding this functaionlity in wouldn't do any harm to your use case then <Akiva-Thinkpad> Wow, mark, way to knock my socks off <Akiva-Thinkpad> All I care though, as beautiful as that phone and tablet and everything else is, is I want my terminal <bkc_> no, but unnecessary in about 99% of the cases, BUT for ubuntu-tablet I'm sure this functionality will exist... <Akiva-Thinkpad> just so it still feels like linux :) <Hourd> Akiva-Thinkpad: same <waspinator> that's all I ask <bkc_> waspinator: but you where talking about regular ubuntu (as it is now, since the tablet version isn't released) so that's the answer you got :) <Akiva-Thinkpad> waspinator: Solution - Apply script, and call yourself a hacker. <Akiva-Thinkpad> ubuntu tablets to run on ipads? <Akiva-Thinkpad> or is this gonna be a hacking project? <Akiva-Thinkpad> I don't know if ipad images are flashed to roms or not so... <bkc_> google iDroid to see if the bootloader is even available for iPad :) <Akiva-Thinkpad> Pah, droid <bkc_> iPad images works just like iPhone images, so they are flashed to the internal disk <Akiva-Thinkpad> "Lets run a java machine on it!" <Akiva-Thinkpad> interesting <bkc_> well, the bootloader is the same, and since "regular" linux wasn't really an option for phones up until now, Android was the "best choise" <Walther> Hm. Is the device going to be released through OEMs or will there be a public image / sources available for e.g. Nexus 7? <no_gravity> Good Evening! Will ubuntu for tablets provide root access by default? <Akiva-Thinkpad> no_gravity: No, they are getting rid of the terminal <no_gravity> Akiva-Thinkpad: how do you know? <bkc_> lol, there's no info on that :P <Akiva-Thinkpad> no_gravity: I'm just trying to shock you :P <no_gravity> root access would be the only differentiating factor for me. <Akiva-Thinkpad> no_gravity: you mean root accout, or sudo capabilities?? <Akiva-Thinkpad> because root account... how long ago with that? 6.04? <Akiva-Thinkpad> I don't think they had it even then :P <bkc_> ... <no_gravity> Akiva-Thinkpad: thats why i said root access <bkc_> root still exists... <Akiva-Thinkpad> no_gravity: does ubuntu-tv have it? I would assume it does. <no_gravity> for example, i hate it that i cannot edit /etc/hosts on my iOS devices. <no_gravity> didnt try on my android devices but would guess its unavailable as well. <Akiva-Thinkpad> Anyways, its good my project is still in planning stages. Looks like an ubuntu-tablet version will need to be made :P <Akiva-Thinkpad> no_gravity: Yah I hate that too. If that happened here at least, the community would find a hack, and no one would bite your head off for being disloyal to the logo. <Walther> But yeah, any info on possible images / sources? <Walther> I want to get this thing on my Nexus 7 *now* <Walther> or if not now, as soon as possible <nOStahl> gotta wait like everyone else Walther lol <Walther> of course. But like I asked earlier, the main question is: will it be OEM only, or will the sources and/or images become available <Akiva-Thinkpad> I swear the apple developers were inspired by Rousseau, "Sire, the apple users are complaining that their 1 year old machines are not compatible with the new software." "Let them eat cake~" <nOStahl> its open source <Walther> as in, neither the phone nor the tv project images / sources have been released <Walther> Akiva-Thinkpad: :D <nOStahl> the ubuntu tv will be fun <waspinator> announced almost a year ago <waspinator> I hope phone/tablet don't take so long to come to market <nOStahl> someone said they heard there would be no ubuntu carriers till october <Walther> but yeah, taking the TV as an example, the project was released/annoucned a year ago or so, still no images / no sources <Walther> i seriously hope the same won't happen with phone and tablet <nOStahl> just setup a factory to produce devices and become an ubuntu distributor partner :P <nOStahl> then you get the imagees <colonelqubit> The Ubuntu tablet announcement mentions support for Skype. Will there be support for Jabber/Jingle and WebRTC video chat as well? * AlanBell wants support for AIX and SIP <IdleOne> We can't make money selling you free options! <colonelqubit> Do you think Skype support is netting Ubuntu $$? <IdleOne> no <IdleOne> it is supposed to run a full desktop when docked to a keyboard and mouse. I assume that means it will run whatever is in the repos. <Walther> pfft. Seriously guys, stop trolling / "joke answering" <IdleOne> Walther: We only know as much info as is provided in the links in the topic. <Walther> The thing is too hot at the moment for joke answers or trolling. There are way too many actual questions. <Walther> IdleOne: Yes, but trolling / joke answering will just cause additional chaos and confusion <IdleOne> So, if you read that info you know as much as anybody else knows. <Walther> which isn't helpful <IdleOne> my answer was sarcastic but not completely inaccurate from the direction I see Canonical headed in. <IdleOne> Walther: You do make a good point though and I apologise. I'll try harder from now on not to make jokes or at least be clear when I am joking. <Walther> no problem :P I'm not a dev or anything <IdleOne> neither am I but you reminded me what being Ubuntu is. I had forgot for a moment :) * colonelqubit was on board for the joke...just wanted to confirm whether canonical was partnering with MS on skype or something <colonelqubit> So to make some guesses: Tablet will probably run whatever's in the repos <bkc_> AlanBell: SIP-support is available in the repos, no idea about integration in tablet-version though <colonelqubit> however, we don't know what will be in the repos, especially for an ARM device. <IdleOne> colonelqubit: No idea but it wouldn't be a bad idea for them to do so to generate funds. Although it would cause a lot of ugliness in the greater FOSS community. <bkc_> IdleOne: Ubuntu is already a black sheep in the FOSS community so no worries there :) <IdleOne> heh <colonelqubit> IdleOne: Canonical doesn't always play nicely with the larger FLOSS community <colonelqubit> (what bkc_ said) <colonelqubit> I'll try to ping an early-reviewer of the device and see if they can confirm suppor <colonelqubit> support * genii-around sips coffee <bkc_> the fact that they encourages users to install driver-blobs is a major thorn in the FOSS-devs eyes ^.^ <colonelqubit> bkc_: yeah, it sucks, but I'd rather have people using a 95%-open system than none at all <colonelqubit> the rub comes when we get complacent with that 5% <AlanBell> I don't think the firmware blobs are a major point of contention really <colonelqubit> It's a tricky line to walk, especially for the companies in this game <bkc_> yes, I'm all for FOSS, but I still use NV-blobs on my desktop because I need it for work <bkc_> AlanBell: actually it is :/ <AlanBell> more the gnome interactions these days <colonelqubit> AlanBell: Especially on mobile devices <AlanBell> other derivatives have shipped flash and codecs by default <bkc_> blobs in general have always been taboo in the FOSS community. <colonelqubit> AlanBell: Hmmm... which derivatives? I know that debian has some stuff in non-free, but I can't think of a distro that ships with that stuff enabled <AlanBell> doesn't mint do that? maybe they stopped (or maybe I am wrong) <AlanBell> heh, flash, closed java, mp3 encoding, dvd decss playback <colonelqubit> in Mint? <colonelqubit> must not have servers anywhere near the US... <AlanBell> anyhow, that is a bit off topic for this channel <colonelqubit> true <AlanBell> I should think the tablet will have somewhat closed graphics drivers, probably using the android drivers at some level <colonelqubit> but to bring it back on topic, I assume that only OEMs will ship Skype. Default builds will probably not <AlanBell> well I don't know really. The OEM might want to ship skype, but the carrier will not. It sounds like Canonical want to give the carriers a great big hug at the moment. <colonelqubit> That's a dangerous move for canonical <colonelqubit> could cost them a lot in the community <colonelqubit> well, actually both communities: the FOSS community, and any community they want to create around a potential product <AlanBell> a brave and possibly even courageous move <AlanBell> perhaps even foolhardy <user82_> am i correct that ubuntu tablet is not compatible with android apps? <bkc_> skype will be in the repo though (taken from the images canonical has released) <bkc_> so it's only a click away :) <colonelqubit> bkc_: interesting <AlanBell> user82_: you are correct (unless someone does an interesting dalvik hack) <user82_> thanks AlanBell <colonelqubit> what's the status of Android compat layers? I heard some rumble about it a while back <AlanBell> bkc_: I wonder if the carriers will let it point at the repos or whether they will want to control their own repos <AlanBell> colonelqubit: google don't want you to do it <colonelqubit> AlanBell: sure, but I don't think there's much they can do to stop you <bkc_> AlanBell: are you sure there'll even be carrier-controlled versions? :) <colonelqubit> they might be able to talk Canonical out of putting it in the repo, though <bkc_> that's kind of anti-linux :P <colonelqubit> bkc_: all kinds of stuff runs on liux <colonelqubit> linux <bkc_> yeah, sure, but "real" linux :/ <colonelqubit> The carriers just see this as a toaster <bkc_> ^.^ <bkc_> true that :P <AlanBell> bkc_: dunno, but that seems to be what they are aiming for at the moment, they are telling carriers they can have this and lock it down <colonelqubit> indeed <GuidoPallemans> Has gimp really already been morphed to qml? <colonelqubit> the big question is whether we'll see locked-down ubuntu tablets <colonelqubit> I guess two methods there (1) locked-down UI/repos, (2) locked-down at the hardware level <bkc_> AlanBell: seriously? any source on that one? because that sounds retarded beyond canonical-level :P <bkc_> from a FOSS POV that is :) <AlanBell> http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/19/4005514/ubuntu-phones-2014-might-be-locked-down-by-mobile <bkc_> "We've had fairly substantial conversations... none of [the carriers or OEMs] have expressed a desire to recreate the fragmentation of the Android operating system," <-- from that link :/ <GuidoPallemans> Has gimp really already been morphed to qml? <AlanBell> doubt it <AlanBell> seeing as GTK stands for Gimp Tool Kit (or did originally) <bkc_> ... <bkc_> Gnome Image Manipulation Program <AlanBell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GTK%2B <bkc_> yes, the almighty wikipedia that has never been wrong ;) <AlanBell> heh, well it certainly isn't wrong in this instance <waspinator> GNU Image Manipulation Program <AlanBell> GIMP stands for GNU Image Manipulation Program <waspinator> you're both wrong <bkc_> o.O * AlanBell isn't wrong <bkc_> waspinator: right, my bad on that one... <waspinator> oh nvm. read it wrong <bkc_> huh, actually it's right there in the first line on GTK's frontpage o.O <popey> \o/ xkcd 386 <bkc_> TIL <bkc_> popey: ;) <AlanBell> http://www.ubuntu.com/2013/02/press-pack-ubuntu-tablet/faq <genii-around> Hm <colonelqubit> "The OS is exactly the same in all cases â Ubuntu running on tablets is the same Ubuntu which runs on the PC, phone and TV" <colonelqubit> ...unclear what that means about app availability <colonelqubit> Of course, it would be hard to make that statement with a straight face and then neuter apt-get <genii-around> If an app is available for a cpu you have in whatvever your device is <genii-around> arm, x86, etc <colonelqubit> right, but AlanBell (and others) have commented that the devices could be locked down <colonelqubit> locked-down repo + ubuntu underpinnings + Unity is not "the same Ubuntu which runs on the PC" <ubuntubhoy> Is the talk not that the OEM's might want the devices locked <ubuntubhoy> rather than Canonical <ubuntubhoy> so it's just guessing right now <colonelqubit> Sure. But Ubuntu has already made this statement in public <colonelqubit> Now we get to see if they keep it or waffle on it... <AlanBell> well worth digging through the press pack information * genii-around goeas all archeologist * colonelqubit hands genii-around a fedora and a bullwhip <ubuntubhoy> reading it now AlanBell <bkc_> colonelqubit: but the carriers have said to Canonical that they aren't interested in doing stupid things like that, so the probability that they do it is slim, but it still exists :) <bkc_> on the lock-down note :) * colonelqubit reading <colonelqubit> hmm... ah, okay. I interpreted the "nobody wants fragmentation" as an argument in FAVOR of lockdown, not against it <colonelqubit> ala Apple <colonelqubit> I think the biggest "tool" that Ubuntu has to prevent incompatibilities is their voice <bkc_> well, fragmentation is more UI and App-availability related than locking it down :) <colonelqubit> kind of <colonelqubit> if a user always has an option to upgrade their ubuntu+oem-stuff to a stock ubuntu build, then they can escape from whatever backwater they're stuck in <colonelqubit> and get to a modern build of Ubuntu <colonelqubit> kind of like going from whatever Android build your phone came with to Cyanogenmod <colonelqubit> (cm isn't "upstream", but it's basically close enough) <colonelqubit> Anyhow, as long as it's easy for the user to select that 'upgrade' path, then I think we'll all be in good shape <colonelqubit> But I don't see OEMs or Carriers agreeing to that <Akiva-Thinkpad> Any idea what the default webbrowser will be? <Akiva-Thinkpad> I have tried firefox mobile; wasn't impressed <Akiva-Thinkpad> opera mobile on the other hand is fantastic. <GuidoPallemans> probably a self-made one, relying on qt-qml's qwebkit viewer <genii-around> I wonder what the user agent would be <bkc_> I'm guessing webkit <bkc_> or perhaps gecko, but webkit is already on ARM so there's less porting/optimization to do (unless gecko is also on ARM, then they're equal) <Akiva-Thinkpad> hmmm #ubuntu-tablet 2013-02-20 <bkc_> if you want a hint on pre-installed software, I'd go here http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android/features-and-specs and look under "Default applications" <bkc_> :) <bkc_> but as anything #tablet or #phone, it's not set in stone until release :) <bkc_> or even OEM-release ;) <doomlord> whats the status of ubuntu for tablets , i've seen somethign about ubuntu running on an n7.. <doomlord> are there many tweaks for touch input.. i think i saw 3-finger drag for window movement ... i wondered if it would get 4 finger gestures for accessing desktops (triggering expo zoom-out) <bkc_> thursday <bkc_> release is on thursday :) <colonelqubit> bkc_: I'm sure gecko can run on ARM -- consider FirefoxOS (or whatever it's been branded as these days :-) <bkc_> yes, I remembered that juuust as I hit enter :P <colonelqubit> gotta run <colonelqubit> fun chatting w/y'all... <doomlord> oh. wow. press release <doomlord> available for N10. i need one! <doomlord> so lets get this straight - an N10 with ubuntu tablet and external keyboard becomes a true gnu-linux desktop machine? running gcc toolchain etc? <bkc_> perhaps <bkc_> nobody (except for canonical and the dev-team) knows what the phone/tablet version will include/have :) <doomlord> i'm debating an n10 purchase - the hardware is nice- but if you can turn the thing into a'true' computer then i'll stop dithering and get one <bkc_> there's always ubuntu-arm if all else fails :) <M4rtinK> well, you can install and use GCC & co on a N900 or N9 <doomlord> the video is encouraging. thats definitely how things shuld work <M4rtinK> so why not on an Ubuntu running N10 <M4rtinK> that reminds me how I used an Ubunctu chroot running under WebOS on HP Touchpad <M4rtinK> to compile Qt Components <doomlord> ubuntu-arm runs on n7.. anything else? <M4rtinK> ...while sitting in a restaurant eating toasts :) <M4rtinK> doomlord: nobody knows :) <doomlord> i have seen viids on n7 <bkc_> n7 and n10 is basically the same device but with a larger screen... just like iPhone vs iPad :) <doomlord> n10 is diffferent chipset i think <doomlord> tegra3 vs otherr <doomlord> n7 is tegra3 <doomlord> n10 is definitely not <doomlord> wow i want to throw my ipad out of the window now <bkc_> huuh, N10 and N7 are different vendors too o.O <doomlord> right asus/samsung <bkc_> TIL :D <doomlord> i wondered how far people could get adapting desktop apps to work on a touchscreen... i know it isn't ideal but you can see various things moving toward taller buttons <doomlord> and i always thought the 'expo/scale' concept would work really well on a touchscreen for task switching <doomlord> imagine pinch gestures for that <nOStahl> I'm excited for docking the phone into a tablet shell <nOStahl> hope to see laptop shells to <doomlord> i have an urge to join #iphone and ask if you can install ubuntu there <bkc_> DOET! :D <bkc_> I'll join in ^.^ <doomlord> ok im there <nOStahl> I have an iPhone 5, you cannot install it doom lord sorry to rain on your parade <bkc_> but you can on an iPhone 2G :) <bkc_> and 3G iirc <doomlord> damn i'm blocked already there lol <doomlord> forgot about that <bkc_> http://www.idroidproject.org/ <bkc_> blocked? :P <bkc_> how'd'ya do that? :P <doomlord> yeah i aasked some other questions they didnt like i think <bkc_> apple fags ^.^ <doomlord> well not so much the questions just my persistent nature <doomlord> some people can't handle the truth i guess <bkc_> lol, well, there's #idroid-dev too :) <doomlord> anyone here familiar with ubuntu arm then? :) <bkc_> doomlord: yes and no :) <doomlord> been porting code to android... looking forward to installing ubuntu phone and ditching the stupid java stubs <om26er> if swipe from the right brings in the sidestage how do you quickly move between two running apps like on the phone ? <Ben__> Hello <Ben__> I saw you are making an OS for Tablets <Ben__> I have a Nexus 7 and was curious to what all you can do with Ubuntu on it <Ben__> such as, does the GPS work? NFC? Front Camera? etc.. <Ben__> hello? <GuidoPallemas> try #ubuntu-phone, the tablet source will take some time <thebishop> can't wait to install ubuntu tablet on my Nexus7, but the UI video makes me think it'll be a bit nicer on a 10" <nOStahl> I'm sure its responsive :) <thebishop> the nexus7 is a pretty powerful little tablet, i'm more concerned with the UI design decisions. they look good, but maybe better suited for 10" i guess i'll find out tomorrow <Walther> When will the iamges/source be available btw? <Walther> I can't wait to isntall the thing on my nexus 7 <thebishop> i read thursday on arstechnica <thebishop> today PS4, tomorrow Ubuntu Tablet. nice week for tech <thebishop> now if only Samsung would announce release details on the new Series 7 Chronos, my tech life for the next year would be complete <mrtharepist> hey, any idea if the ability of Ubuntu to use C in development
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