#ubuntu-tv 2012-09-01
<smartboyhw> o/ bobweaver
#ubuntu-tv 2012-09-03
<smartboyhw> Oh where's jhodapp? I want to ask for the new weekly update
<smartboyhw> Hi Saviq
<Saviq> morning
<smartboyhw> Morning. Where's the weekly update from jhodapp?:)
<bobweaver> tgm4883,  Hello there just wondering if you where able to find anytime this weekend to play with the scope ?
<bobweaver> thanks
<tgm4883> bobweaver, I didn't, but I will have time today
<bobweaver> sweet thanks tgm4883  I am right here if you need tester. though I am not much help with python as you know
<bobweaver> thanks again tgm4883
<tgm4883> yep
#ubuntu-tv 2012-09-04
<tgm4883> jhodapp, is there developer documentation on the preview stuff anywhere?
<tgm4883> I'm looking at what you did with Unity.MoviePreview.new and wondering if there is anything else it will take
<smartboyhw> jhodapp: Where's the weekly update?
<jhodapp> tgm4883, not yet, *should* be releasing with the Ubuntu release
<tgm4883> or other stuff
<tgm4883> ok
<jhodapp> tgm4883, what do you mean by "anything else it will take"?
<jhodapp> you mean properties?
<tgm4883> preview = Unity.MoviePreview.new(title, subtitle, desc, thumbnail_icon)
<tgm4883> so more than just that (title, subtitle, etc)
<smartboyhw> jhodapp: Where's the weekly update?
<tgm4883> I'm guessing not, as I see you've added things like duration to subtitle and such
<jhodapp> smartboyhw, in the works
<tgm4883> smartboyhw, I'd guess holiday+EST = later today
<smartboyhw> jhodapp: OK I'll wait
<jhodapp> smartboyhw, had the day off yesterday and getting settled in for the work day for today...so...soon :)
<smartboyhw> :)
<tgm4883> jhodapp, or also, if there were other preview types
<tgm4883> rather than the two pane approach
<jhodapp_> New Ubuntu TV weekly update is out: http://www.doadjustyourset.com/2012/09/04/ubuntu-tv-weekly-update-9/
#ubuntu-tv 2012-09-05
<tgm4883> bobweaver, ping
<bobweaver> pong
<bobweaver> tgm4883,
<tgm4883> bobweaver, how much have you looked at previews?
<bobweaver> A alright amount
<tgm4883> Is there a way to put a longer button on the preview pane?
<bobweaver> I mean nothing special learning more and more about it each day
<tgm4883> so instead of the short play button, one that goes all the way across?
<bobweaver> the button is nux
<bobweaver> and yes
<bobweaver> you can make your own preview
<bobweaver> and call it via meta in C++ under dash/previews
<bobweaver> so there is two options the 2nd I would guess would be the route
<bobweaver> It is calling "action button" you could make a new one
<bobweaver>  action_buttons_.clear();
<bobweaver>       nux33ec:265c:71fe:e26d:2682:4ec2:aaa1:99abLayout* actions_layout = BuildGridActionsLayout(preview_model_->GetActions(), action_buttons_);
<bobweaver>       actions_layout->SetLeftAndRightPadding(0, style.GetDetailsRightMargin());
<tgm4883> bobweaver, I don't want to make new buttons. Just wondering if there are multiple buttons already defined
<bobweaver> that is line 323 too 234 of MoviePreivews.cpp
<tgm4883> bobweaver, This is what I've been working on  https://plus.google.com/u/0/106897287303034019719/posts/aJN4PE2TNsK
<bobweaver> then no
<bobweaver> Oh I see now
<bobweaver> Pushy push push push ?
<bobweaver> v.cool
<tgm4883> It's pretty rough. And super slow in my setup
<tgm4883> let me push it
<tgm4883> I've found I can add a second button next to play, and I suppose that could work
<tgm4883> but I'd like to be able to just make a single list of buttons
<bobweaver> thanks I will look at it and maybe look at the button
<bobweaver> maybe there is another one ? but I am not seeing it I am sure that there is a way but I would love to look at the python
<bobweaver> of your stuff thanks
<tgm4883> yea hopefully there is another (or just a way to say span across pane)
<bobweaver> Yeah
<tgm4883> I'll bug jhodapp when he's back on the clock too. I don't like to bug people when they aren't working
<bobweaver> lol
<bobweaver> let me know when that branch is up
<tgm4883> it's pushed
<tgm4883> rev 25
<bobweaver> k
<bobweaver> tgm4883,  cool stuff
<tgm4883> bobweaver, thanks
<tgm4883> I'm working on TV shows now
<bobweaver> I have to hack the api and daemon again thou
<tgm4883> Why?
<bobweaver> that is sweet
<tgm4883> this should work in 12.10
<bobweaver> Port thing again
<tgm4883> ah
<tgm4883> sec
<tgm4883> bobweaver, I gotta run, but this may help http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1186738/
<bobweaver> Sweet thanks agin
<bobweaver> tgm4883,  it is faster way way way faster
<smartboyhw> bobweaver: PING
<smartboyhw> jhodapp: Thanks for the weekly update
<jhodapp> smartboyhw, np
<smartboyhw> :)
<tgm4883> bobweaver, I talked with david calle and it looks like there aren't buttons that span the pane yet, but the design team has been asking for those so hopefully we'll get those soon
<bobweaver> tgm4883,  yeah that is also what I see
<bobweaver> I hate all this hard coded crap
<smartboyhw> bobweaver: I think you won't see me in #ubuntuforums starting from tmr
<bobweaver> smartboyhw,  I am sorry what ? I just  woke up
<smartboyhw> I think I'm going to be banned there
<bobweaver> tgm4883,  the scope is like 20 x faster then the old one
<bobweaver> I am gettting back myth tv stuff faster then video-remote.scope
<bobweaver> tgm4883,  ^^
<tgm4883> bobweaver, awesome
<bobweaver> tgm4883,  you get tv done last night ?
<tgm4883> bobweaver, that is good news, it's pretty slow on my test system, although it's a netbook over wireless
<tgm4883> I'd imagine that the more stuff you have in your backend, the slower the lookup goes every 60 seconds
<tgm4883> it's kinda done, but not
<tgm4883> it works, but it's similar to the way movies are done, just with different info
<tgm4883> I'm planning on attempting different buttons for each episode
<bobweaver> I am over wireless also and not on primary backend. but I( say that it is at least 15 X faster then .24
<tgm4883> cool
<bobweaver> tgm4883,  you got the stars to work
<bobweaver> how did you do that ?
<tgm4883> yep, although they are kinda funky
<tgm4883> you can't do partial stars
<bobweaver> I see that
<tgm4883> and it takes a value between 0 and 1
<bobweaver> but you know that all the other stars do not work
<bobweaver> so it is all or nothing ?
<tgm4883> no, .4 shows 2 stars
<tgm4883> .6 shows 3
<bobweaver> ahhh
<tgm4883> it rounds down, so .5 shows 2 stars as well
<bobweaver> you should fix all the other lens stars there broken
<tgm4883> lol
<bobweaver> on previewes (and you should do what ever you like )
<bobweaver> brb
<bobweaver> have to make some coffee
<cob-olp2> what does "(20:41:07) frigg: Received CTCP 'VERSION' (to cob-olp2) from frigg" mean?
<popey> cob-olp, its a freenode bot checking what client you have
<bobweaver> So I got a side job for a couple of days working for Barry Manilow
<bobweaver> rodie work
<bobweaver> This is going to be horrible lol
<tgm4883> jhodapp, looking at the previews in the music lens, is it possible to do something similar in the videos lens?
<tgm4883> http://www.dagorret.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/music-player-preview-in-unity.jpg
<jhodapp> tgm4883, sort of, but you'd need to use the MusicPreview instead of the current one
<tgm4883> So instead of Unity.MoviePreview.new it would be Unity.MusicPreview.new?
<jhodapp> yes
<tgm4883> What is the downside of doing that?
<tgm4883> I mean, I assume there is a reason for having separate movie and music ones
<jhodapp> yes, so they have a specific look/feel
<jhodapp> and can do specific things that are different from each other
<tgm4883> yea that makes sense, but I can still control what happens when one of those is clicked right? it's not going to try and open a video in rhythmbox right?
<jhodapp> correct
<tgm4883> cool
<jhodapp> there's a callback signal that you register
<jhodapp> on_preview_uri is what it's called in the remote video scope
<tgm4883> sounds good
<tgm4883> one more question
<tgm4883> I haven't tested it yet, but a button in a preview should be able to open another preview right?
<tgm4883> then does escaping out of that go to the previous preview or back to the dash?
<jhodapp> in theory that's how it should work, never tried that
<tgm4883> Looking at the code, it looks like it should work, I just haven't tested it yet
<tgm4883> will probably try that tonight
<jhodapp> ok, if you give it a try let me know what you find...that's an interesting case
<tgm4883> yep, but I think an important one
<tgm4883> also, are ratings changing?
<jhodapp> changing how?
<tgm4883> I noticed you had it disabled in the remote scope
<jhodapp> oh no, it's just that the API to get the details data from Amazon through our servers doesn't support ratings yet
<tgm4883> ah
<tgm4883> how about getting half star increments?
<jhodapp> haven't tried that
<tgm4883> it doesn't work
<jhodapp> then it's not supported :)
<jhodapp> but it may chance
<tgm4883> right, planned?
<jhodapp> previews will be improved even more for 13.04
<jhodapp> change
<tgm4883> cool deal, I'll let you know how nested previews and backing out work
<tgm4883> thanks jhodapp
<jhodapp> that's awesome, you're welcome!
<jhodapp> ...
<jhodapp> if you ask me some of these advanced questions in the morning, I can ask other people who created this stuff
<jhodapp> they'll know more answers
<tgm4883> will do
<bobweaver> hey you g{uys,irls} if you see smartboyhw could you tell him that I am looking for him I was just reading the log from above and not sure if he is going to try and do something tomorrow  as he stated here
<bobweaver> <smartboyhw> bobweaver: I think you won't see me in #ubuntuforums starting from tmr
<bobweaver> <bobweaver> smartboyhw,  I am sorry what ? I just  woke up <smartboyhw> I think I'm going to be banned there
<bobweaver> thanks he is a young kid so ...
<tgm4883> bobweaver, do you know his UF nick?
<bobweaver> I think that it is the same
<bobweaver> not sure what is going on but I would like to talk to the kid before anything gets OOC
<bobweaver> I was still half awake when all them messages where going on
<tgm4883> there are 7 different smartboy's on UF
<bobweaver> Wow
<bobweaver> maybe he is troll ?
<tgm4883> no, some of these accounts are pretty old
<bobweaver> did you try "smartboyhw"
<tgm4883> that is one of them
<tgm4883> he only has one post it seems
<tgm4883> ironically? in my forum
<bobweaver> link ?
<tgm4883> http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=87529871
<tgm4883> that includes threads he's commented on
<bobweaver> killed me because I am not mod
<bobweaver> at any rate infractions ?
<bobweaver> any reason that you can see why he would be mad ?
<tgm4883> IDK
<tgm4883> I'm just a mod of a sub-forum, so I don't get to see any infractions
<bobweaver> cool well if you see him ... Let him know that I am looking for him and also that he is alright
<bobweaver> I mean the kid is young or so he says that he is
<bobweaver> I am going to be watching the forums and the channel for the forums like a hawk
<bobweaver> but I know that I have gotten frustrated before and people have clamed(cough cough jono ) me down so I would like to do the same
<bobweaver> tgm4883,  is this something that I should report to #ubuntu-irc ? or would you do it if you where in my shoes ? sorry to bother you
<tgm4883> IDK what you would be reporting
<bobweaver> just that he said that he was going to get banned
<tgm4883> yea, but for what?
<tgm4883> maybe he is just overreacting
<bobweaver> That makes me think that he/she/whatever is up to no good
<bobweaver> that is the thing that I am thinking about (for what )
<bobweaver> could be thanks tgm4883
<bobweaver> "a toolchain is just the compiler"  << No that is not quite what a toolchain is I think that it is time to look in the mirror
<bobweaver> you might see a chain of tools
<bobweaver> lol
<bobweaver> wrong channel sorry
#ubuntu-tv 2012-09-06
<tgm4883> jhodapp, so testing this nested previews isn't working. Do you have documentation on what different actions are available for Unity.PreviewAction.new
<tgm4883> I see "play" and "show-in-folder"
<greyback> morning
<popey> hello greyback
<smartboyhw> jhodapp: I bumped into this and I thought bobweaver will like it:) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-q-ubuntu-tv-involvement
<tgm4883> well at least I updated that :)
<smartboyhw> tgm4883: LOL
<tgm4883> jhodapp, so testing this nested previews isn't working. Do you have documentation on what different actions are available for Unity.PreviewAction.new I see other scopes use "play" and "show-in-folder"
<jhodapp> tgm4883, let me check
<tgm4883> everything i've tried the buttons close the preview
<tgm4883> I'm hoping one of them is "open-preview"
#ubuntu-tv 2012-09-08
<bobweaver> tgm4883,  ping
#ubuntu-tv 2012-09-09
<zib_> Hi everyone!
#ubuntu-tv 2012-09-10
<smartboyhw> Waiting for daily update No#10 then now:)
<popey> s/daily/weekly/ ?
<smartboyhw> popey: s/daily/weekly/10 from jhodapp:)
<popey> hah! look what you made him do!
<smartboyhw> OH NO...
<smartboyhw> popey: Anyway he is back:)
<jhodapp> smartboyhw, need something?
<smartboyhw> jhodapp: I wanna read the weekly update:
<jhodapp> smartboyhw, I guess it's in high demand, eh? :)
<smartboyhw> jhodapp: YES
<jhodapp> :)
<smartboyhw> ;)
<jhodapp> new weekly update is out: http://www.doadjustyourset.com/2012/09/10/ubuntu-tv-weekly-update-10/
<smartboyhw> Yay
<tgm4883> bobweaver, pong
<bobweaver> well hello there :)
<bobweaver> I was wondering about 2 things if you have the time
<tgm4883> yep, shoot
<bobweaver> 1 ) scope is not reading tv shows just wanted to let you know that
<tgm4883> hmm
<tgm4883> ok
<bobweaver> 2)  this is more a mythtv thing but I can not get movies to get fan art
<tgm4883> so for #1, it should be getting TV shows
<bobweaver> I rm all torrevted ones and still nothing named them the way that they should be and still nothing
<bobweaver> but
<bobweaver> I am getting back all the info for the movies just no fanart
<bobweaver> myth tv
<bobweaver> ^
<bobweaver> let me make sure that I have the latestest scope brb
<tgm4883> for #2, are the fan art directories getting populated with image files?
<bobweaver> Nope just like 4
<bobweaver> out of 50 movies or something like that
<tgm4883> ok
<bobweaver> drop tables and scan again ?
<tgm4883> no you shouldn't need to ever touch the DB
<bobweaver> good to know
<tgm4883> go into the metadata editing section and do a search for fanart
<bobweaver> ok
<tgm4883> also take a look at /var/log/mythtv/metadatalookup.log
 * bobweaver plays skipping record ....  
<bobweaver> thanks for helping me again tgm4883
<tgm4883> it says skipping record?
<tgm4883> anything else?
<bobweaver> No
<bobweaver> lol
<bobweaver> it still is getting nothing
<bobweaver> I am saying that I am a skipping record by saying "thanks for helping me tgm4883  "
<tgm4883> ah
<bobweaver> Ok I think that I have figured it out but could be wrong
<tgm4883> ok what is it?
<bobweaver> on the same box that is backend I open the frontend and noticed that all the spaces for where to store things are blank
<tgm4883> no that's correct
<bobweaver> ok
<tgm4883> but check mythtv-setup, as that is where those storage directories are set
<tgm4883> step 6 I think
<bobweaver> yeah there is only 2 thumbnails under ~/.mythtv
<bobweaver> ok will do
<tgm4883> make sure a directory is setup for each, and that it's writable by the mythtv user
<bobweaver> yeah they are all set up and right users groups and permissions
<bobweaver> what is funny about it is this
<tgm4883> and nothing in that log file?
<bobweaver> I get all the metadata
<bobweaver> like what the movie is about the actors anything that is text
<bobweaver> but I just dont get fanart nor coverart nor thumbnails
<bobweaver> looking closer at log
<bobweaver> anything to look for off the top of your head ?
<bobweaver> Oh I booked my flight today for UDS
<tgm4883> nice
<tgm4883> pastebin the log file
<bobweaver> will do
<bobweaver> taking a little bit to pastebinit
<bobweaver> sorry
<bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1197378/
<tgm4883> bobweaver, do /usr/share/mythtv/metadata/Television/ttvdb.py -v
<bobweaver> ok
<bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1197384/
<tgm4883> That looks right, what about     dpkg -l libmyth-python
<bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1197393/
<tgm4883> bobweaver, ok, what if you do this
<tgm4883> /usr/share/mythtv/metadata/Television/ttvdb.py -l en -M "The Unit"
<bobweaver> ok
<bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1197403/
<tgm4883> ok, so try this
<tgm4883> In the frontend, in the settings
<tgm4883> there should be an entry for metadata
<tgm4883> I don't have a frontend available right now to check :/
<bobweaver> artwork and data ? there is a place to pick out API
<bobweaver> we can do this after you are out of work if you like
<bobweaver> also last thing
<tgm4883> yea that is right
<tgm4883> so go in there and cycle though them for television to get ttvdb.py (even if it's already selected)
<bobweaver> are you or any of mythbuntu people going to hold tracks for the future of Mythtv ? at UDS ? I would go
<tgm4883> we don't hold mythtv tracks
<tgm4883> we have semi-private meetings at LTS UDS's
<tgm4883> semi-private meaning, it's at the bar :)
<bobweaver> cool I would like to be there if I am cool enough :)
<bobweaver> I can not change the API
<bobweaver> wont let m
<bobweaver> me *
<tgm4883> hmm, ok, maybe going in was enough
<tgm4883> I'd like you to try and get artwork again
<bobweaver> OK
<bobweaver> nota
<bobweaver> I even try to reset the data and scan again
<bobweaver> same thing getting text only back
<tgm4883> can you paste that log again?
<bobweaver> let me cat out video dir
<tgm4883> I want to see if the output changed
<bobweaver> sure
<tgm4883> brb
<bobweaver> kah
<bobweaver> just to let you know the 2 movies where "Bad Ass"  and "Being Flynn"
<bobweaver> mythmetadata.log   http://paste.ubuntu.com/1197429/
<bobweaver> my video dir that holds movies   http://paste.ubuntu.com/1197433/
<bobweaver> also dont know if this will help when you get back. But I have nothing called "The Unit" in my video's or anywhere on the computer for that matter
<tgm4883> bobweaver, you don't?
 * tgm4883 wonders why it's searching for it then
<bobweaver> No Sir
<bobweaver> I just did       sudo find / -name 'The Unit'       and got nothing back
<bobweaver> I also ran
<bobweaver> sudo find / -name '[Tt]he [uU]nit'       and got nothing back
<tgm4883>  "Bad Ass"  and "Being Flynn" are movies or tv shows?
<bobweaver>  moves
<bobweaver> movies
<bobweaver> tvdb works fine
<bobweaver> tmdb is the only one that is giving troubles
<tgm4883> ok
<bobweaver> running sudo find / -name '*[Tt]he [Uu]nit*'
<bobweaver> nothing came back  :/
<bobweaver> going to ask in bash if that is right on the regex
<tgm4883> nah don't worry about it
<tgm4883> if it's recorded, it's not going to  have that in the filename anyway
<bobweaver> Oh there is one recording from Sunday in the lib
<bobweaver> niners game (that was awesome ! )
<bobweaver> meaning that I have not recored anything else  that "watch recording "   that is the only thing in there
<bobweaver> well I recored before But I have rm
<bobweaver> But nothing called 'the unit '
<tgm4883> ok, so lets do
<tgm4883> /usr/share/mythtv/metadata/Movie/tmdb.py -M "Bad Ass"
<tgm4883> verify that returns XML
<bobweaver> yah looks good
<bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1197481/
<bobweaver> that is the correct movie and <image>  link to it is also correct     -->    http://cf2.imgobject.com/t/p/original/ws0LVXY4NwhUDkzdVR27KTXulaI.jpg
<bobweaver> maybe I should try to run jamu ?
<tgm4883> bobweaver, nah, jamu is deprecated
<bobweaver> thansk
<bobweaver> thanks *
<tgm4883> out of curiosity, anything in syslog?
<bobweaver> I will take a look
<bobweaver> just apparmor talking about unity-scope-gbrowser
<tgm4883> odd
<tgm4883> This is 0.25 or 0.26?
<bobweaver> 0.25.2
<bobweaver> that was weired I just tried  sudo apt-get install libmyth-0.25-0    and it is installing Oo
<bobweaver> but apt-cache policy mythtv      shows 0.25.2
 * bobweaver shrugs 
<bobweaver> tgm4883,  I dont want to take up that much of your time I thank you a ton for all that you have done for me with this You Rock I will try some things and get back to you later thanks again
<tgm4883> thanks bobweaver I've asked in #mythtv-users as well, but haven't received a response yet
<bobweaver> thanks ! anything helps at this point I am going to install some new things and I know that I should not muck around with mysql but I am going to export and search file for 'The Unit '
<bobweaver> wait I think I might have just gained some ground
<bobweaver> nope false alarm
<bobweaver> GOT IT !!!!
<bobweaver> so I have to do this  1) go to each movies and reset the meta data    2) Do not scan go right into the edit movies and then scan from in there and it is working
<bobweaver> and then I can scan again to get text. not pretty but will work
<bobweaver> Err but now it is not holding true too all the movies meaning that it is working but then resets :(
<tgm4883> bobweaver, move all videos out of the videos storage group folder, scan for changes, move them back, scan for changes again
<tgm4883> that should clear everything it knows about the videos
<bobweaver> ok will do
<bobweaver> keeps on crashing the exit code 133 or something like that But I think that it is starting to work
<bobweaver> Allright tgm4883  I got great new's and I got bad news. good news sorted out mythtv (other frontend was not saving videos in right dir)  But I installed 0.26 of the scope and am still not getting back tv previews. Just to let you know also it is getting 500 error most likly my back end. But that is testing results . I am going to make into a deb and install that way to see how it goes : )thanks again
#ubuntu-tv 2012-09-11
<bobweaver> gezz passports are not cheap after my 2nd attempt I will have spent over $420.00 USD
<bobweaver> Getting frugal with it. nah nah nah nah nah nah nah ... nah nah nah nah nah nah .. getting frugal with it
<tgm4883> bobweaver, denied again?
<bobweaver> nope
<bobweaver> apponment is for tomorrow
<tgm4883> ah
<bobweaver> 140 for te 1st denial
<bobweaver> the *     so  140(old) +  140 +25 +60 +20 +20 + 55(new birth certificate)     = 460.00 USD
<tgm4883> bobweaver, so you have an appointment with someone now?
<bobweaver> that is 2 months rent for bobby
<bobweaver> yeah I set it up when getting birth certificate
<bobweaver> shit I forgot photos
<bobweaver> add 17 usd
<bobweaver> 477.00 USD
<bobweaver> bodhi_zaren from the forums said that he mad his with gimp though maybe I can do that and save the 17 usd that is a meal
<tgm4883> yea you can bring your own photo
<tgm4883> just meet the requirements they want
<jhodapp> bobweaver, why did you get denied the first time?
<bobweaver> jhodapp,  birth certificate had rips in it. it is 28 years old
<bobweaver> seal was all flattened and what not.
<jhodapp> bobweaver, so they were questioning the authenticity of it?
<bobweaver> and it did not have watercolor as they did not use it back then
<bobweaver> I think
<tgm4883> watermark?
<bobweaver> or that it just was not good enough I sent in that time got denial letter in the mail and of cource they kept the 140 fee
<bobweaver> yeah the birth certiface must have water mark now-a-days
<bobweaver> home-land-security (I think )
<bobweaver> tgm4883,  http://www.visarite.com/birthcertificate.htm   << watermark   and my seal was just about flat for 28 years of storage
<bobweaver> like you have to have one or the other  seal that is raised   or watermark
<bobweaver> this new just has watermark that I got today
<tgm4883> I had to go get a new one
<tgm4883> as I don't have an old one :/
<bobweaver> I might as well and throw the old one out
 * bobweaver is powerful turns out that when I was born the hospital lost power. 
<bobweaver> no baby pictures
<jhodapp> lol
<bobweaver> so it turns out that my BC was not filed until I was 5 days old due to power issues and what not
<bobweaver> middle of hurricane season I guess in FL
<bobweaver> also I had my dads birth date wrong
<bobweaver> which I still can not find
<bobweaver> I have not talked to him in years
<bobweaver> last I hear he got arrested with drugs and guns
<bobweaver> I will google it
<tgm4883> I didn't even need my dads birth date I think
<bobweaver> http://ithaca-cortland.ynn.com/content/video_stories/493269/meth-and-heroin-confiscated-in-drug-busts/
<bobweaver> that's my daddy
<bobweaver> what a jack off
<bobweaver> yeah part ten is asking for it and my mothers
<bobweaver> of the forum that I got from the post office
<tgm4883> yea they ask for it, but I don't think it's required
<tgm4883> I'm almost certain I didn't have it
<bobweaver> lol it is on my OG hospital record of birth
<tgm4883> unless it's printed on my birth certificate, but I think that is just the place of birth
<bobweaver> along with little bobby foot prints :)
#ubuntu-tv 2012-09-14
<tgm4883`> Saviq, if you're still around ( I know it's late ) any updates for the weekly update?
<tgm4883`> one of these days I'll remember to ask on Thursday
<Saviq> tgm4883`, nope, not from me this week
<tgm4883`> ok thanks
#ubuntu-tv 2012-09-16
<asker> hi
#ubuntu-tv 2012-09-17
<smartboyhw> jhodapp: Asking for weekly update again LOL
<jhodapp> smartboyhw, might not get one this week
<smartboyhw> jhodapp: Oh why?
<jhodapp> smartboyhw, not for sure yet, so just stay tuned
<smartboyhw> Oh alright then:0
<jhodapp> thanks :)
<smartboyhw> :)
#ubuntu-tv 2012-09-18
<mnaines> Any idea if Ubuntu TV will be available to home users like myself and how much it will cost?
<mnaines> Hello, tbf
<tbf> mnaines, hi
<mnaines> tbf, I would like to know more about Ubuntu TV...Is it a streaming service like what Netflix offers or is it a full-content service like what Cable providers offer?
<tbf> mnaines, so far i'd also have to speculate
<tbf> mnaines, you better ask jhodapp, willcooke, or Saviq
<mnaines> tbf, from what little I gathered on the website, it is being marketed as a bridge between TV manufacturers and content providers
<tbf> mnaines, yup.
<mnaines> It makes me wonder if it is something to do with the whole "TV through your computer" idea
<tbf> mnaines, in the end the plan seems to be to get ubuntu on setup boxes or even tvs
<tbf> apparently with a highly(?) customized version of unity
<mnaines> tbf, yes, although it would be easier just to provide end-users with a method of using their existing Ubuntu install to view TV content over the internet
<tbf> mnaines, as i understand jhodapp the plan is to provide all ubuntu tv components for the desktop version of ubuntu
<mnaines> tbf, those of us with shared TVs don't always get the premium channels on the shared TVs...Time Warner doesn't let my family have all the premium channels on every TV in the house
<tbf> mnaines, sounds like a nice job for something like rygel...
<mnaines> We would need a separate box for each TV to do that.  That is why I am curious as to what Ubuntu TV really is.
<tbf> mnaines: in the sense that rygel grabs your tv card's decrypted stream and distributes it via DLNA
<tbf> mnaines, guess the best way to figure out would be attending UDS, but the way you talk about time warner i fear copenhagen is a bit distant
<mnaines> tbf, I live in what is considered the heart of America
<tbf> mnaines: kansas!
<mnaines> To most Americans, "Copenhagen" is a brand of chewing tobacco
<tbf> mnaines, nah... don't talk about the viking's lovely capital like that :-D
<mnaines> tbf, ask any American if they know who the mayor of their town is and all you'll get are blank stares or the always-fascinating "Wha?" reaction
<mnaines> Nearly half of all Americans can't even pass America's citizenship exams
<tbf> wha... good that you elect the mayor directly in my town.
<tbf> leads to unexpected coalitions among parties if the mayor is well respected :-D
<mnaines> Oh, I bet city council meetings are as fun as MMA sessions...lol
<tbf> well. and interestingly also forces the mayor to remember well whom he serves
<tbf> oh... and actually the really seem to be heated sometimes :-)
<mnaines> tbf, on a more serious note, being able to watch full-content TV on my computer is something I've actually been wanting since I started working with computers
<mnaines> Especially now that my laptop comes equipped with a GPU that can run full 720p HD and not even break a sweat
<tbf> mnaines, i believe we'll get close to that next year
<tbf> mnaines, still might be useful to ask for that use case on the mailing list
<mnaines> AMD A8-3500M, a 1.5GHz quad-core CPU with an integrated Radeon HD 6620G.  Youtube, Avatar movie trailer, full 1080p HD...Only 18% utilization across all four cores
<tbf> helps to argue on what to spent resources (hint ;-))
<tbf> well, but at least in my (very personal) pov, ubuntu tv should just get full dlna support...
<mnaines> AND, it easily, and I do mean quite literally very easily, outperforms Intel
<tbf> ...so that you can share your media library, and (like you suggest) or pay tv streams
<mnaines> Intel's most powerful laptop CPU, the Core i7-2820QM
<mnaines> Side by side, these Llanos will flat-out destroy any of Intel's Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge CPUs in raw power
<tbf> entirely lost overview regarding CPUs and GPUs
<mnaines> For general-purpose computing, they all but hold their own against Intel's most powerful Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge laptop CPUs...For 3D graphics processing, its no contest.  The Llanos win every time
<tbf> compared to what i've started with, everything you can buy today is more than fast enough
<tbf> heavy monsters.
<mnaines> Four Phenom-class CPU cores, a full power-gated Radeon chipset and a very efficient DDR3 memory controller, all on one chip
<mnaines> Can completely power down the entire Radeon chipset and each individual CPU core as needed or can divert some of the Radeon cores' processing power to data processing, boosting runtime performance by as much as 30%
<tbf> http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php
<mnaines> Combine that with AMD's Turbo Core feature and the lowest power consumption of any CPU on the market (just shy of 40W at full load compared to 180W at full load for an Intel Core i7-2820QM)
<mnaines> tbf, Dirt 3, 4x Antialiasing, Medium quality graphics, the AMD A8-3500M held its own, clocking consistent framerates in the 30 to 35 frames per second range, while the Core i7-2820QM was completely unplayable
<tbf> mnaines: seriously, no idea. that rarely i find time for games, i just turn on my aging wii...
<tbf> ...just to realize that my reflexes aren't anymore what they used to be
<tbf> so for laptop and desktop gpus really everything i can buy today is fast enough
<mnaines> tbf, I have an AMD A8-3500M in my laptop, which currently runs Ubuntu Studio, and so far I haven't found anything on Ubuntu that can stress-test these Llano APUs
<tbf> more concerned about flawless operation, than about performance when it comes to gpus
<mnaines> And as far as reliability, this laptop runs 24/7 and doesn't complain...I could sit playing Crysis 2 all day long with zero crashes
<mnaines> I never worry about hardware-related crashes...Any crashes are generally due to my D-Link router saying "wtf" after I start gaming or some flaw within the game that causes the game to lock up if I play too long
<mnaines> If I'm just doing basic, general-purpose stuff like web browsing, email, IM, IRC, and the like, I have zero issues with reliability and can actually leave the laptop running 24/7 and it won't complain one bit
<mnaines> tbf, on a more serious note, do you have any idea who all is awake right now?
<mnaines> Hello, tsdgeos
<tsdgeos> hi
<mnaines> tsdgeos, do you know if Ubuntu TV is a streaming service like what Netflix offers or is it a full-content broadcast service like the cable companies offer?
<tsdgeos> http://www.ubuntu.com/tv has all the official available information as far as i know
<mnaines> Which doesn't tell me alexanderlisa@example.com.
<mnaines> They are marketing it as a bridge between TV manufacturers and content providers, but it leaves me wondering if its just another set-top box or if its integrated into Ubuntu itself
<mnaines> Saviq, just the person I was looking for
<mnaines> What exactly is Ubuntu TV?  Is it a streaming service like what Netflix offers or is it a full-content broadcast service like what the cable companies offer?
<Saviq> mnaines, first of all, it's considered rude to PM people without asking them first
<Saviq> mnaines, and no, Ubuntu TV isn't a streaming service, it's software for building a TV receiver / STB with capabilities to integrate streaming services
<mnaines> Is it going to be available to home users or just to content providers?
<Saviq> mnaines, everything that's possible will also be available in stock Ubuntu
<mnaines> Saviq, so I would be able to watch the same TV channels I get from my cable company on Ubuntu itself?
<Saviq> mnaines, that depends on oh so many factors
<mnaines> But it is possible at this point?
<Saviq> not with Ubuntu TV, no
<Saviq> but with Ubuntu and some additional software - yes, provided you can get conditional access working
<mnaines> "conditional access"?
<Saviq> mnaines, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_access
<mnaines> Looks to be DCAS-linked stuff...
<mnaines> Interesting...If I am understanding this whole thing right, Ubuntu TV is actually designed to be more like a DCAS system
<mnaines> Downloadable Content Access System
<mnaines> Basically devices that allow customers to legally view digital content without having to rent equipment from the cable companies, per an FCC mandate back in 2007
<mnaines> Downloadable Conditional Access System or DCAS is a proposal advanced by CableLabs for secure software download of a specific Conditional Access client (computer program) which controls digital rights management (DRM) into an OCAP-compliant host consumer media device.
<Saviq> mnaines, so DRM you can't expect to be integrated with Ubuntu on the desktop, that's probably just not gonna happen
<mnaines> If I am understanding the Ubuntu TV website correctly, the whole thing is set up in a similar way to how Apple set up its stuff, to seamlessly integrate and communicate with other devices, sharing content between the devices but still keeping the devices separate from each other
<Saviq> mnaines, yes, local network integration is at the core
<mnaines> So in order for Ubuntu TV to work, I would have to download it to a set-top box?
<Saviq> mnaines, for embedded devices you would probably have to get a preinstalled device
<Saviq> whether a TV with UbuntuTV in it or a STB
<mnaines> Those aren't cheap
<mnaines> And the way things are set up at my house, only one TV has a set-top box.  All the other TVs don't have boxes and so only get the basic channels
<Saviq> mnaines, a) there's no way you can download software on the STB
<Saviq> b) there's no saying what hardware is there - it's not as easy as it is in PCs
<mnaines> So there's no way for me to get full-content TV without a box?
<Saviq> there's nothing UbuntuTV can change in that market
<Saviq> people want to protect their content, hence they need total control over the device
<Saviq> if you only want non-protected content then things like "HDMI dongles" will probably be the cheapest way to get Ubuntu on them
<Saviq> you would still be able to use the Ubuntu TV interface
<Saviq> but wouldn't be able to use any protected content, be it streamed or over-the-air
<mnaines> All I know is when Time Warner set up the cable lines inside my house, they spliced everything so the TV in my room was hooked up to the cable TV connection that was shared with the same connection the STB is on
<mnaines> But since the TV itself is only capable of 64 channels, I have no real way of viewing any content on other channels outside that range
<mnaines> I think it was a year ago, maybe two years, when the FCC required media stations to broadcast all-digital signals, and when the analog signals were shut off, I still got signal, so I know there's some DRM going on someplace
<Saviq> for cable it's probably not DRM, but Conditional Access as I mentioned before
<Saviq> i.e. your STB has to descramble the signal
<Saviq> and to be able to do that in Ubuntu on your desktop, you'd need an off-the-shelf solution
<mnaines> Ah, so technically I could get full-content broadcast if I could find an UbuntuTV-capable receiver that can receive those channels?
<Saviq> in Europe it's usually a CI module (Common Interface) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Interface
<Saviq> but very few providers actually let them have you
<Saviq> their business is in keeping you tied to the crappy STB
<mnaines> Saviq, I know that strategy all too well...One STB for the DRM, another for the DVR, and don't even get me started on the wireless receivers that AT&T U-Verse has for TVs
<Saviq> yup
<mnaines> Would be nice to finally see a single box that can do all that by itself
<Saviq> it's the same here for the most part, there's a small amount of providers that let you get a SmartCard or a paired CAM + SmartCard
<Saviq> and put it in any CI-capable receiver
<Saviq> but then their problem is that after CI you can do just anything with the content
<Saviq> i.e. put it on the internet (like it's not already there...)
<mnaines> So Ubuntu TV on an STB would be all those features rolled into one box?
<Saviq> mnaines, it very much depends
<Saviq> mnaines, in your case, we'd have to get in bed with Time Warner to integrate hardware capable of receiving their content
<Saviq> and it's them that would distribute the boxes
<Saviq> but you'd get all the other features of UbuntuTV
<mnaines> So I'd be better off keeping my existing STB and getting a TV preloaded with UbuntuTV?
<Saviq> mnaines, sure, that would work, too
<mnaines> Now if only I could convince the rest of my family to switch to Ubuntu...I already got my brother to use Macs
<mnaines> Both of my brothers have been Apple fanboys for years now
<mnaines> I need a new TV anyway...The one I have now is years out of date...an old, dusty 14" CRT TV by Toshiba
#ubuntu-tv 2012-09-19
<jhodapp> test
<bobweaver> tgm4883,  Just a headds up but like always unity has changed again and your scpe no longer works at all
<tgm4883> what changed now?
<bobweaver> who knows lol
<bobweaver> maybe david
<bobweaver> but here is what is going on
<bobweaver> go to the lens and under search  enter in name that you know is in myth lib. brings back nothing. Go to the filter and mythmovies and mythshows are still there
<bobweaver> but When selecting them nothing shows up in the dash
<tgm4883> probably worth testing if we're getting valid data
<bobweaver> was working great untill 2 days ago. It could  be that I am using the stagging ppa and not stock
<tgm4883> bobweaver, which is easy to test with the way I built this
<bobweaver> restart the scope and then look for what the 456 is going on ?
<tgm4883> nope
<tgm4883> run mythtvapi.py
<tgm4883> it does a search for "house"
<tgm4883> so we might want to change house to something you know you have
<bobweaver> brought back everything that is in the lib
<tgm4883> ok
<bobweaver> well not everything but a lot
<tgm4883> so then it is returning data properly, and something did change and break it :/
<bobweaver> this is what I get when running ./usr/lib/unity-scope-mythtv/mythtvapi.py       http://paste.ubuntu.com/1215386/
<tgm4883> bobweaver, yep, that is what I would expect to see
<bobweaver> that is what I figured it is the lens
<bobweaver> more of that "unification "
<bobweaver> Get this also. Unity will not get back things anymore that are privoxyed
<bobweaver> or at least for me that is the case
<bobweaver> Like my the tvdb api that I wrote no longer works
<bobweaver> well brings back text but the privoxy says no images
<bobweaver> http://imagebin.org/228987
<bobweaver> IDK
<tgm4883> IDK, that looks like privoxy is blocking something
<bobweaver> that is what I am saying
<tgm4883> not that I have any experience with privoxy
<bobweaver> not good at all
<bobweaver> that is why my hulu lens is not working either
<bobweaver> dosent allow for anonumous connection's
<bobweaver> so I guess I will scrape
<bobweaver> or wait till UDS and figure out what the heck is going on here
<bobweaver> I like option 2
<bobweaver> :)
<bobweaver> Ok I think that I may have found the troubles. It is the lens 100% not only is it your scope that it can not read it is also the remote video scope. It is totem thumnailer that is messing some stuff up that I can see
<bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1215408/
<bobweaver> also net.whatever has been depreciated  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1215413/   << as you can see
<bobweaver> I am going to try and change the dbus path too org.launchpad.scope.mythtv
<bobweaver> and not net.launchpad.scope.mythtv
<bobweaver> Ok changed brb re-starting unity
<bobweaver> well that is also strange changed it to *org*  and am still getting back the same error
<bobweaver> also all other 3rd party lens are not working
<bobweaver> meaning no cooking no hulu  no well anything that is 3rd party
<bobweaver> talk about "unification "
<tgm4883> bobweaver, I'm sure it is something we can fix. It wouldn't make sense to lock out 3rd party lenses/scopes
<bobweaver> No it would not you are correct
<bobweaver> I am going to try to purge and reinstall or build from scratch (which the code changes ever 4 hours so there is no why to program anything new )
<bobweaver> because in 4 hours your work is garbage
<bobweaver> just like most things there is like 12 people that hold all the cards
<tgm4883> bobweaver, admittedly, you're running the staging PPA, which by definition is there in case things break
<tgm4883> it's possible breaking it was an accident and will be fixed
<bobweaver> correct
<bobweaver> It is just frustrating that is all. a good example would be I took like 20 hours and dedicated them to making sure that the Unity framework would match the old Ubuntu TV and the next day I go to push and the flippen Unity code is different so My code will not work
<bobweaver> like adding simplelauncher renderhorizanalcoverflow  ect
<bobweaver> and the next day there was no room for it as the code had changed so much that mine would not even work
<bobweaver> unification in its primal state I guess
<bobweaver> sorry
<bobweaver>  /rant
<bobweaver> but so it is needless to say that I wasted 20 hours of straight up programming in C++
#ubuntu-tv 2012-09-20
<jejejej> hoola
<bobweaver> ping mhall119
<bobweaver> When or if you get the chance I am looking for the uds blueprints ubuntutv can not seem to find it on launchpad, thanks
<tgm4883> bobweaver, they aren't available yet
<bobweaver> huh i got a email about them this morning maybe they where from last year ?
<tgm4883> bobweaver, possibly someone updating it from last year
<tgm4883> there should be a link in that email to it
<bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1217061/
<bobweaver> that is what I got
<tgm4883> yea that is last year
<bobweaver> ahh  and there is a link it was hiding
<tgm4883> s/year/uds
<bobweaver> cool tgm4883  I have tried so hard to be able to make a framework for Ubuntu TV and am trying again this time thou I am going to try to use the stagging-future ppa
<bobweaver> Might be a good idea to push the scope that way so the other lens dev's can see it and would know or might be able to notify for changes
<bobweaver> tgm4883,  ^^
<tgm4883> bobweaver, push it where?
<bobweaver> let me get link
<bobweaver> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/unity-team/staging-future/ubuntu quantal main
<bobweaver> I guess that that is the most bleeding edge that there is with unity (could be wrong) but I think that it goes  that ppa --> staging--> main
<tgm4883> bobweaver, I'm not sure the requirements to get it into that PPA
<bobweaver> once again I could be wrong on all that but it would not hurt at all to push the scope that way, or at least I figure
<tgm4883> nor do I think I'd get any notification of things breaking
<bobweaver> must be bleeding edge unity stuff I think that that is it but i could be wrong
<tgm4883> there is probably some mailing list I should subscribe to
<bobweaver> I will try to find out more about that ppa and there policy
<bobweaver> I was just not sure if you had seen that or not
<mhall119> bobweaver: yeah, I'm updating all my blueprints from last UDS
<bobweaver> cool thanks mhall119
<bobweaver> do you know if there is going to be new one ?
<mhall119> bobweaver: I assume so
<mhall119> we haven't started adding new BPs yet
<bobweaver> thanks
<tgm4883> we'll announce it in the weekly update
<tgm4883> it - uds-r tv blueprints
<bobweaver> v.cool
<bobweaver> yeah I try to keep up with the ajust you set stuff, but can not tell what is new and what is not new
<bobweaver> so I just read the whole site each time :/
#ubuntu-tv 2012-09-21
<thebishop> hey hey
<tgm4883> thebishop, hi
#ubuntu-tv 2012-09-23
<moez> hi, i'm using ubuntu quantal and i want to test the lastest build of ubuntu-tv, but, i think i didn't found the right code source as i know that unity/tv will no longer be based on unity-2d. so, where can i find it? or does unity-tv still based on unity-2d and there is no any work in progress in this side?
#ubuntu-tv 2012-09-24
 * smartboyhw is going to chase for another update again on Ubuntu TV LOL
<smartboyhw> Oops forgotten to mention jhodapp on the update-chasing lol
<jhodapp> smartboyhw, stay tuned
<smartboyhw> lol
#ubuntu-tv 2012-09-26
 * smartboyhw is not happy that no Ubuntu TV update from jhodapp for 2 weeks:(
<tgm4883> smartboyhw, literally nothing to update
<tgm4883> * Bug fixes
<smartboyhw> LOL
#ubuntu-tv 2012-09-28
<bobweaver> ping tgm4883  , When you get a chance I would like to talk about the possibility of making a lens (standalone) for the myth-scope Looks like the video scope. And your thoughts on that.
<bobweaver> Just use the old "video-lens" and change the dbus path's and remove the videos-remote part
#ubuntu-tv 2012-09-29
<tgm4883> bobweaver, Is there something that we can do with a lens? My understanding is that lenses are pretty vanilla
<bobweaver>  Woot Woot Passport came today !!
#ubuntu-tv 2013-09-14
<James_Epp> I followed the steps on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/Contributing for ubuntu 12.04.3 in a virtualbox VM but all I get is the main panel, desktop background and no launcher after the reboot. I expected some sort of GUI, but it does not appear one exists?
#ubuntu-tv 2013-09-25
<lex> hello guys
<Guest51174> hello
<Guest51174> i installed ubuntu tv but i dont know how to run it
<Guest51174> any suggestions?
#ubuntu-tv 2013-09-29
<tgm4883> I'm toying with making a theme that looks similar to the ubuntu tv images that were released a year or so ago. Here is a rough, early view  http://imagebin.org/272320
<tgm4883> This is for MythTV
#ubuntu-tv 2013-09-30
<jhodapp> tgm4883, nice!
<tgm4883> jhodapp, where is the design PDF for ubuntu TV?
<tgm4883> I lost it and am working off screenshots
<jhodapp> tgm4883, look in your google drive for shared items
<tgm4883> jhodapp, looking, but I don't see it unless it's named something odd
<jhodapp> tgm4883, let me scan my drive quickly
<jhodapp> tgm4883, hmm I don't see it either, can you check with mhall119 to see if he is aware of where it is?
<tgm4883> mhall119, ping ^^
<tgm4883> thanks for looking jhodapp
<mhall119> tgm4883: jhodapp: I'll look for it
<jhodapp> thanks mhall119
<jhodapp> np tgm4883
<mhall119> hmmm, not finding anything useful
<tgm4883> odd, it just vanished :/
<mhall119> tgm4883: jhodapp: I think the one we're all thinking about is http://ubuntuone.com/1AmekwFL9IjJlfuc7Twl7m
<tgm4883> mhall119, yea, that is the one I'm thinking about
<mhall119> tgm4883: keep in mind that there's probably going to be a lot of design changes, picking up things that were created for Unity 8
<tgm4883> mhall119, well, I'm making a MythTV theme similar to it, which won't have the same feature set as Unity, so mine will look slightly different
<mhall119> ok
<tgm4883> mhall119, I posted a link in the channel yesterday, but my backlog at work doesn't go back that far
<tgm4883> it was an early look at one screen
<mhall119> yeah, I just saw it, looks nice
<tgm4883> and again, I was making that off of 4 screenshots that someone posted about it from CES 2011
<tgm4883> thanks
#ubuntu-tv 2015-09-08
<name_> hi! how to install ubuntu tv on ubuntu 15.04?
#ubuntu-tv 2017-09-21
<lbertolotti> hi
<lbertolotti> hi
<lbertolotti> Can I boot Ubuntu-Tv on LG TV?

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