#ubuntu-newdocs 2014-02-04
<belkinsa> slickymaster, ping.
<slickymaster> hey belkinsa, pong
<belkinsa> Long time no chat.
<belkinsa> You think that we should do the brainstorm via mailing-list and forums instead of IRC meeting?
<slickymaster> IMO, IRC would be better
<belkinsa> Because it's more real time?
<slickymaster> yeah, we've been keeping ourselves pretty busy
<slickymaster> I was righting my answer to that mail, as we speak
<slickymaster> writing ^^
<belkinsa> I was going myself, but I don't feel well and anymore stress on me might break me.
<belkinsa> Too bad that both of them are not IRC users like us two.
<belkinsa> And too bad that I'm not a forum person.
<slickymaster> probably the sanest approach here would be to postponed the event a week or two, to see if Leigh manages to have full access to her computer and to see if Geoff comes to peace with the idea
<slickymaster> that would worl for you, also
<slickymaster> work ^
<slickymaster> you would gain same more time to your school work
<slickymaster> gotta go. bbl ->
<belkinsa> Sure, that works.
#ubuntu-newdocs 2014-02-06
<belkinsa> slickymaster, good luck my friend,
<belkinsa> slickymaster, don't forget your links to your LP and wiki page...
<slickymaster-wor> congrats belkinsa
<belkinsa> Thanks!
<slickymaster-wor> this team is now packed wuth UM
<slickymaster-wor> s/wuth/with
<jenni> slickymaster-wor meant to say: this team is now packed with UM
<belkinsa> W00t!
#ubuntu-newdocs 2014-02-07
<belkinsa> slickymaster, meant to ping you here.
<slickymaster> ok
<belkinsa> Are you up for a brainstorm over the team page(s) for NewDocs?
<slickymaster> can it be done tomorrow?
<belkinsa> Sure, but before 9:30 AM EST.
<slickymaster> I'll have some friens over in a couple of minutes to dinner
<slickymaster> hmmm and that's what in UTC?
<belkinsa> +5
<belkinsa> So, 1230 UTC?
<slickymaster> so 14:30 UTC?
<belkinsa> Er, yeah.
<belkinsa> I can count.
<slickymaster> works for me
<belkinsa> Great.
<slickymaster> wait, 12:30 or 14:30?
<belkinsa> 1430
<slickymaster> ok, you got yourself a deal :)
<belkinsa> I'm usually awake by 1130 UTC.
<belkinsa> Thanks.
<slickymaster> cy tomorrow belkinsa
<slickymaster> ->
<belkinsa> See ya.
#ubuntu-newdocs 2014-02-08
<belkinsa> slickymaster, ping.
<slickymaster> belkinsa: pong
<belkinsa> I drafted up a small outline for the brainstorm on a wiki page.
<belkinsa> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs/TeamWikiPageBrainstorm
<jenni> [ NewDocs/TeamWikiPageBrainstorm - Community Ubuntu Documentation ] - https://j.mp/1lKpqz0
<slickymaster> belkinsa: I'm sorry but something came up and I' need to postponed our meeting an hour and a half
<slickymaster> is it alright with you<'
<belkinsa> It is, but I need to postpone it for seven hours.  I have to work at my part-time job
<slickymaster> hmm
<belkinsa> But you can work on the wiki page with your ideas.
<slickymaster> ok, I'll take a look at it, and will get back to you here
<belkinsa> Thanks.
<slickymaster> have a good one :)
<slickymaster> ->
<slickymaster> belkinsa: I only had some time to spare so I haven't done much
<slickymaster> Hopefully tomorrow I'll be able to be more productive
<slickymaster> anyway, for your review and feedback, here's what I've done: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs/ContactPage
<jenni> [ NewDocs/ContactPage - Community Ubuntu Documentation ] - https://j.mp/1d6fKJv
<slickymaster> and of course that page is already linked in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs/TeamWikiPageBrainstorm
<jenni> [ NewDocs/TeamWikiPageBrainstorm - Community Ubuntu Documentation ] - https://j.mp/1lKpqz0
#ubuntu-newdocs 2014-02-10
<slickymaster-job> belkinsa, I've done some more work on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs/TeamWikiPageBrainstorm
<jenni> [ NewDocs/TeamWikiPageBrainstorm - Community Ubuntu Documentation ] - https://j.mp/1lKpqz0
<slickymaster-job> belkinsa, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs/HomePage is created and roughly drafted
<jenni> [ NewDocs/HomePage - Community Ubuntu Documentation ] - https://j.mp/1bNd5nf
<belkinsa> slickymaster (or slickymaster-job), ping
<slickymaster-job> belkinsa: pong
<belkinsa> Sorry for not making the wiki pages and I can work on the menu header today if you want.
<slickymaster-job> great, will you need, or are you thinking, of using the NewDocs icons for the header section?
<belkinsa> Sure, I think it's needed and I think I will base the header object of the one that the Doc team uses.
<slickymaster-job> ok, I can I upload them to you?
<slickymaster-job> by mail?
<belkinsa> Sure.
<belkinsa> Upload
<slickymaster-job> do you have a server or webpage to where I can upload them?
<belkinsa> I do.  I guess e-mail might be better.
<slickymaster-job> what's the email?
<belkinsa> ihodge@example.net
<slickymaster-job> sent
<slickymaster-job> another thing, I don't think I understood what did you mean about the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs/HomePage
<jenni> [ NewDocs/HomePage - Community Ubuntu Documentation ] - https://j.mp/1bNd5nf
<belkinsa> About the UF link?
<belkinsa> See the e-mail that I sent you, the reply.  I just simply can't read.
<belkinsa> And I recived that icons e-mail.
<slickymaster-job> what can't you read?
<belkinsa> It means that I overlooked the rest of the text
<slickymaster-job> hmmm,
<slickymaster-job> so you think that the link for the UF should be dropped in that paragraph, right?
<belkinsa> Methinks.
<slickymaster-job> ok, removed
<belkinsa> Also, there is a to attach images to pages.
<slickymaster-job> ahn?
<belkinsa> Next to Edit and Page Info, there is Attachments'\
<belkinsa> -'/
<slickymaster-job> yeah, I know
<belkinsa> Gotcha.
<belkinsa> And I attached all three that you cent me
<belkinsa> sent*
<belkinsa> s/cent/sent
<jenni> belkinsa meant to say: And I attached all three that you sent me
<slickymaster-job> yeah, I saw that
<belkinsa> Do you know how to get the images to show though?
<slickymaster-job> belkinsa: it's done. Thake a look at it now: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs/Icons
<jenni> [ NewDocs/Icons - Community Ubuntu Documentation ] - https://j.mp/1fTD2Rd
<belkinsa> Thanks
<slickymaster-job> another thing belkinsa, maybe it would be for the best to add teh CategoryDocumentation tag on the teams' pages
<belkinsa> It would.
<slickymaster-job> can you do it?
<belkinsa> Sure.  But later today.  It's hard for to multittask at this moment
<slickymaster-job> np
#ubuntu-newdocs 2014-02-13
<belkinsa> slickymaster, ping.
<slickymaster> belkinsa: pong
<belkinsa> I started to work on the task that you gave a few days about adding CategoryDocumentation tag to our team pages.  Do you know how to do this?
<slickymaster> sorry belkinsa, just finishing something
<slickymaster> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag
<jenni> [ Tag - Community Ubuntu Documentation ] - https://j.mp/1c3M4fm
<belkinsa> Thanks.
<belkinsa> And I will also build the header menu item.
<slickymaster> basicalÃly all you have to do is to add CategoryDocumentation at the bottom of the page
<belkinsa> Gotcha
<belkinsa> slickymaster, you are wrong on the link.  It's really this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CategoryAddCategory
<jenni> [ CategoryAddCategory - Community Ubuntu Documentation ] - https://j.mp/1c3OPx2
#ubuntu-newdocs 2014-02-14
<slickymaster> belkinsa: actually what happened is that I forgot to give you that link
<slickymaster> I was planning to do it whena I gave the first one, but then it splitted my mind
<slickymaster> sorry for that, my bad :P
<belkinsa> It's cool.
<belkinsa> Random question: Do you have a twiitter?
<belkinsa> s/twiitter/Twitter
<jenni> belkinsa meant to say: Random question: Do you have a Twitter?
<slickymaster> nopes belkinsa, neither facebook
<slickymaster> I'm not too much fond of social networking
<belkinsa> Good choice.  I only have Twitter and a blog that I run.
<slickymaster> just g+
<BlinkinCat> Hi Team
<slickymaster> BlinkinCat: were're on the other channel
<slickymaster> are you here?
<BlinkinCat> how do I log off of this one?
<slickymaster> we'll came here
<slickymaster> waits a sec
<knome> hey BlinkinCat
<slickymaster> knome: the floor is yours
<BlinkinCat> Hi knome
<knome> so basically, as i were helping out slickymaster and belkinsa with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs/Header, we came to discuss the need for a separate entity
<knome> eg. why don't we add the newdocs stuff under the main documentation team banner?
<BlinkinCat> How would that work?
<knome> it is really part of that team, and there's even some overlap
<knome> in practice, all workflows and stuff could go as usually
<knome> just that there wouldn't be a separate irc channel, or a separate "newdocs team", just people who are members of the documentation team working on newdocs
<knome> currently, the doc team is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/
<jenni> [ DocumentationTeam - Ubuntu Wiki ] - https://j.mp/1dMltjv
<BlinkinCat> I can't see why that wouldn't work
<knome> ultimately i can see that getting newdocs more contributors
<knome> because is shared, it's also more accessible for new contributors looking for what to do
<slickymaster> and that's something newdocs is really lacking
<BlinkinCat> It is a bit of a struggle neow
<knome> and information exchange between newdocs and the other wiki people should happen
<knome> i guess strictly speaking, as newdocs is currently defined, it should be relatively easy to run it technically half-automatically..
<knome> ..referring to http://temp.knome.fi/docs/docs-popular.html
<knome> BlinkinCat, i assume you have seen that?
<BlinkinCat> Yes
<knome> but anyway, i do understand there is a need to review pages manually and make sure they are of high quality
<knome> which is something the rest of the wiki contributors are trying to do
<knome> with tagging pages etc.
<belkinsa> Hey there BlinkinCat.
<BlinkinCat> Hey belkinsa
 * belkinsa was in the shower.
<slickymaster> what are your thoughts on all this BlinkinCat ?
<knome> so i guess what i'm trying to say: let's try to cooperate more, and let's try to make newdocs a little less of a separate team
<belkinsa> I agree here.
<knome> i'm sure both parties will benefit
<BlinkinCat> I am in agreement with progress
<slickymaster> we're all paddling on the same boat
<knome> also, i have yet to get an answer for an important question...
<knome> where does the name "newdocs" come from? :)
<slickymaster> lol
 * belkinsa was wondering this too...
<belkinsa> s/was/si
<jenni> belkinsa si wondering this too...
<slickymaster> BlinkinCatt is the one to explain it
<belkinsa> s/si/is
<knome> i would think it would be better to rebrand that simply as "PopularPages" or something
<BlinkinCat> I wish I could remember - maybe I will lol!
<belkinsa> knome, +1
<knome> (of course, redirect from NewDocs too)
<belkinsa> +1 again
<slickymaster> I think that Leigh ought to be heard on this though
<belkinsa> Yes.
<knome> currently, as we all know, we're linking to NewDocs with this introduction:
<knome> Most popular pages
<knome> We have gathered an alphabetical list of the most popular pages in this wiki.
<knome> which pretty much says it all
<belkinsa> Agreed, it does
<knome> since the "letters" aren't subpages, but A/ B/..., we just need to do one redirection
<knome> which is obviously a good thing:)
<BlinkinCat> "Most Popular Pages " it is then
<knome> i also think we should consult the whole team though
<belkinsa> As in Doc team or NewDocs?
<BlinkinCat> Leigh was around a little while ago
<knome> it's not like the doc team is the superpower and feeds down other teams what they should do or be called
<knome> the NewDocs team
<belkinsa> Ah.
<knome> i don't think there's any objections from the main team
<knome> i can help with merging the team-docs to the documentation team wiki, including the banner
<belkinsa> Sure, why not.
<knome> and i'm also a wiki admin, so if you need such help, feel free to ping me
<slickymaster> I've just PM Leigh in the forum so she join us here
<belkinsa> Purrrrrrfect.
<knome> i will be back really shortly
<slickymaster> I didn't saw she was online
<BlinkinCat> I now feel like a small cog in a large wheel!
<belkinsa> Good or bad thing?
<BlinkinCat> NewDocs sure has grown - good
<belkinsa> Right, but (sort of) merging with Doc Team.  Good or bad thing?
<BlinkinCat> That's progress so it has to be a good thing
<belkinsa> Ah, I se.e
<belkinsa> s/se.e/see
<jenni> belkinsa meant to say: Ah, I see
<belkinsa> I love you, jenni.
<slickymaster> it's like a baby that grew up and is now becaming independent
<belkinsa> Lol, but yeah,
<knome> for what it's worth, i think ~newdocs in launchpad can continue as always (assuming there is need for that group) and be made a member of ~ubuntu-doc
<slickymaster> out of its fathers guardianship
<knome> i'm not *completely sure* of that
<slickymaster> it already is knome
<belkinsa> I believe it is already, knome.
<knome> it is?
<knome> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-doc/+members#active
<slickymaster> yeaps
<knome> nope
<jenni> [ Members : âUbuntu Documentation Project Teamâ team ] - https://j.mp/1dMpbcV
<belkinsa> Subteam of
<belkinsa> âNewDocsâ is a member of these teams:
<belkinsa>     Ubuntu Documentation Contributors
<belkinsa>     Ubuntu Documentation Project Team
<knome> ah, via ~ubuntu-doc-contributors
<knome> yep
<knome> that's cool
<knome> one more intermission, will switch from desktop to laptop:)
<BlinkinCat> Just want to say at this rebirth of NewDocs that I am proud that it developed from such a simple idea!
<knome> definitely
<knome> it's great to see that there is still projects where people want to contribute...
<knome> the docs team at large has only recently built up again
<knome> do we have any information on more people popping up? :)
<slickymaster> and there's going to be some classrooms held to help those who want to contribute but fell that they don't have the skills to do it
<knome> yeah, it's kind of unfortunate...
<slickymaster> we're expecting Leigh
<slickymaster> I PM her in the forums
<knome> it's wiki because we want everybody to be able to edit it
<knome> but some people are too afraid of messing up they can't get started
<BlinkinCat> Seem quite a few are prepared to observe without contributing
<belkinsa> Yeah, seems to be the issue.  Hopefully the Doc Team's Wiki Day will help with that.
<knome> that's the regular thing happening all over open source ;)
<knome> BlinkinCat, how much are you involved with the wiki outside newdocs?
<belkinsa> People scared to work on the wiki pages of projects?
<knome> people scared to work on any wikipage
<BlinkinCat> I fell I am lacking in skills
<knome> even if they could add something useful
<belkinsa> BlinkinCat, same but it seems that I found my main skills that i can use.
<BlinkinCat> and knowledge
<knome> we could run a session on editing the wiki, some Q&A session on that
<knome> BlinkinCat, nobody knows everything :)
<belkinsa> knome, is it the fear that they will mess up the page?
<belkinsa> And the knowlege, aye.
<knome> belkinsa, probably that, or that they make a fool of themself not having enough knowledge
<knome> or are unsure of something
<belkinsa> knome, the later part made me to think of someone.  ;)
<belkinsa> But what?  That makes sense.
<BlinkinCat> I found a very comfortable niche with NewDocs
<belkinsa> I have too and the other teams that I part of.
<knome> human nature to be afraid of not getting acceptance?
<belkinsa> Maybe.
<slickymaster> Basically what you in NewDocs applies to the rest BlinkinCat
<BlinkinCat> Don't like making mistakes
<knome> one thing where i think newdocs and the general wiki stuff somehow overlap already is tagging...
<belkinsa> BlinkinCat, and I want to teach that everyone to find a niche in a project or a team.
<slickymaster> BlinkinCat: every error made can be rollbacked
<belkinsa> That's the power of MoinMoin Wiki.
<BlinkinCat> It may take some time to be picked up
<knome> BlinkinCat, i'm subscribed to all edits on the wiki
<belkinsa> True, true.  But we have admins that will be notiflied.
<knome> BlinkinCat, and if you wish, you can be in touch with others and ask them to review as you go
<belkinsa> knome is a wiki admin
<BlinkinCat> I assume that belkinsa
<slickymaster> I'm wondering if Leigh will actually be able to show up
<knome> we can continue on this later
<belkinsa> +1
<BlinkinCat> Ther is quite a lot of work to be done in NewDocs
<knome> belkinsa, did you have some Q&A sessions for the wiki sprint day?
<knome> +in mind
<belkinsa> knome, maybe the fact that we have admins and the power of rollbacks should be stated somewhere on the wiki.
<knome> we could run one on wiki editing to kick off the day
<knome> and that kind of stuff
<belkinsa> knome, as in the vUDS or when was that?
<knome> no, on the wiki sprint day you're planning
<belkinsa> Ah, that.  Yes, I'm doing the lesson on wiki editing at 19 UTC.
<knome> ah, great
<belkinsa> s/19/1900
<jenni> belkinsa meant to say: Ah, that.  Yes, I'm doing the lesson on wiki editing at 1900 UTC.
<knome> which day was it again?
<belkinsa> March 2nd, 2014
<knome> mmh, so sunday
<belkinsa> Yup.
<belkinsa> And I need to tell my boss that...
<knome> okay, i'll try to be around for the lesson at least
<knome> heh, good luck ;)
<knome> so,
<belkinsa> Thanks.
<slickymaster> belkinsa: ^^
<knome> i think what's left is seeing what we need to do
<slickymaster> break a leg
<belkinsa> knome, agreed.
<knome> i'll take the work item on getting the team pages integrated to the docteam banner
<belkinsa> Alright.
<knome> belkinsa, slickymaster: will you prepare the content to some extent?
<knome> let's see how to settle that down in the wiki when it's ready
<slickymaster> BlinkinCat: do you mind to go through with Leigh regarding this discussion?
<belkinsa> Sure.
<BlinkinCat> What I remember
<knome> BlinkinCat, i encourage you and others to join IRC more often :)
<belkinsa> You can always grab the logs from the ubot5 or scrollback.
<slickymaster> if you need any help, just ping me (or mail me)
<belkinsa> Whatever the link is from ubot5.
<knome> i know it can be a bit scary, but... :)
<BlinkinCat> ubot5 ?
<slickymaster> I'm always willing to help you BlinkinCat
<knome> many of us are around quite often, so you should get a response pretty quickly
<belkinsa> The logging bot, BlinkinCat.
<belkinsa> Jenni is also another bot here.
<belkinsa> ubuntulog2* I mean
<slickymaster> I'll feed with the logs if you need them BlinkinCat
<knome> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/02/14/%23ubuntu-newdocs.html
<jenni> [ /srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/02/14/#ubuntu-newdocs.txt ] - https://j.mp/1dMtJzW
<belkinsa> Thanks knome.
<knome> that'll be updated periodically
<slickymaster> knome: thanks for this
<slickymaster> belkinsa: cy
<knome> BlinkinCat, and seriously, if there's something you need from the team, don't be afraid to mail the ubuntu-doc mailing list, or asking #ubuntu-docs
<belkinsa> Yes, thank you.
<belkinsa> See ya slickymaster.
<knome> ...that'd be #ubuntu-doc :P
<belkinsa> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc
<jenni> [ ubuntu-doc Info Page ] - https://j.mp/1dMu19P
<belkinsa> Mailing-list ^^^
<knome> or you can also email me directly: ihodge@example.net
<knome> BlinkinCat, maybe you can join the wiki sprint day :)
<knome> i not else, as a lurker
<BlinkinCat> I have forgotten how to log out
<knome> BlinkinCat, just close the tab :)
<knome> or winow
<knome> ...window
<slickymaster> BlinkinCat: besides that I'm always able to be reached either on the forum or in my email
 * knome 's typing starts to fall apart
<belkinsa> Same here.
<knome> yep.
<slickymaster> I'll be up in about three and a half hours :P
<BlinkinCat> IRC can achieve quite a lot
<belkinsa> Yes, because it's real-time and you can pass things on faster.
<knome> slickymaster, haha, good luck - i won't...
<slickymaster> well guys, I really gotta get some sleep
<knome> good night slickymaster!
<slickymaster> cy tomorrow ->
<belkinsa> See ya.
<belkinsa> I need to go too, I have a test tomorrow.
<BlinkinCat> Good night all
<knome> BlinkinCat, night, and good luck :)
<knome> BlinkinCat, nighty! :)
<belkinsa> Night.
#ubuntu-newdocs 2014-02-20
<slickymaster-job> !ask
<ubot5> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
#ubuntu-newdocs 2014-02-25
<belkinsa> slickymaster, ping.
<slickymaster> belkinsa: pong
<belkinsa> Did ye get the last mailing-list e-mail from BlinkinCat?
<slickymaster> seeing it now
 * belkinsa is really lost now
<slickymaster> but I'm unable understand it
<belkinsa> Yeah and that's why I'm asking you.
<slickymaster> it seems to me that it's a old one resent
<slickymaster> thing is I don't quite grasp his intentions
<belkinsa> Yeah.  Is it his disorder that is causing this?
<knome> on an unrelated note, any news on merging the team to -doc?
<belkinsa> No news.
<slickymaster> it's the only logic explanation I can think of
<slickymaster> nopes knome
<belkinsa> Oh, woah.  knome, hey there.
<knome> :)
<slickymaster> the last week, due to same erratic behavior from Geoff
<slickymaster> we weren't able to discuus it
<slickymaster> s/discuus/discuss
<jenni> slickymaster meant to say: we weren't able to discuss it
<belkinsa> And I confused Leigh.
<belkinsa> You need to join the list, knome!
<knome> well, i really don't need yet another list, which is why i think the teams should be merged...
<slickymaster> the way I see things right now, the best approach would be to simply pop the question in the mailing list
<slickymaster> due to his disorder, Geoff position may vary from one day to the other
<belkinsa> And that's the hard part is to get a stright answer
<slickymaster> so an explanation of what is intended should be wrote and the question asked
<slickymaster> do you think you can do that belkinsa?
<belkinsa> That can work.
<knome> if you want, i can review the mail before sending it
<knome> in any way, please CC me in the discussion
<belkinsa> Sure thing.
<slickymaster> of course knome
<slickymaster> belkinsa: can you draft something for me and knome to review?
<belkinsa> Sure.
<belkinsa> Here or in e-mail form?
<slickymaster> thanks
<slickymaster> you choose
<knome> belkinsa, i guess a pad is the best once you've got it to the review stage, then we can tweak it live and get it sent soon
<knome> i tend to be bad on things that are sent me to email that i need to send back
<belkinsa> I agree, the pad is better.  How to get one?
<slickymaster> lol
<knome> belkinsa, just go to pad.ubuntu.com
<knome> belkinsa, and create a pad
<belkinsa> Okay, one sec
<slickymaster> pad.ubuntu.com
<knome> slickymaster, slow today? :)
<slickymaster> getting some laundry done
<slickymaster> :)
<slickymaster> being single again has this type of chores :P
<knome> awwh
<belkinsa> Created: http://pad.ubuntu.com/iAhFPxaSyd
<jenni> [ OpenID Authentication Required ] - https://j.mp/1mDV9lQ
<knome> bookmarked
<belkinsa> I got the base written.
<knome> i'll look at it in a minute
<knome> or two...
<belkinsa> Alright.
<belkinsa> I'm keeping this one formal because I think it's needed.
<knome> hmm, right
<knome> hey belkinsa, slickymaster
<knome> i asked pleia2 to join our effort
<pleia2> o/
<knome> the pad is at http://pad.ubuntu.com/iAhFPxaSyd
<jenni> [ OpenID Authentication Required ] - https://j.mp/1mDV9lQ
<knome> my first thoughts:
<pleia2> seeing as we're ramping up the wiki documentation team over in -docs, I think it does make sense to finally sync things up
<knome> is it necessary to discuss disorders?
<pleia2> we're also collaborating with the ubuntu manual folks these days
<pleia2> knome: no
<pleia2> I'd remove that stuff
<pleia2> as far as I'm concerned, this is really just an overall consolidation effort so we're all working together and on the same page :)
<belkinsa> Hey there, pleia2.  To everyone, I was afk eating dinner.
<pleia2> hey :)
<pleia2> time for me to go for my run now
<knome> pleia2, have fun!
<belkinsa> Okay, thanks for the help.
<knome> i don't think it's fair to pull up the disorder in a public mailing list; for the one that has it, or others
<belkinsa> I agree.
<belkinsa> (what was a thinking)
<knome> if you think you need to have a more personal tone, maybe send a personal mail in addition
<slickymaster> yeah, I do agrre with you knome regarding that
<belkinsa> That could work.  slickymaster would it make a difference to him if we have a personal e-mail to him?
<knome> and to be honest.. this isn't about one person
<slickymaster> thing is, for what I know of Geff, that mail will just pull him apart
<slickymaster> yeah, I know, but it was him who started it all
<belkinsa> Right...you know him longer than me and knome.
<slickymaster> maybe I'm just reading it trhe wrong way
<knome> slickymaster, i understand that
<belkinsa> Or I'm misunderstanding everything.
<slickymaster> np, I'll mail personally, aside that email to the list
<knome> one of the reasons i asked pleia2 to join us was to get some insight from a person that sits on the CC
<slickymaster> I imagine that
<belkinsa> slickymaster, okay.
<belkinsa> And good move, knome.
<knome> i do not want to upset anybody, nor make them feel like they hit the rock botto
<slickymaster> that's what I'm afraid
<knome> but on the other hand, i think it's not sustainable to try to avoid saying something or in some tone because of a single person
<knome> repetitio mater studiorum est: i don't want to make anybody feel bad, but things need to roll forward
<slickymaster> yeah, it's like being stuck between a rock and a hard place :P
<belkinsa> Agreed.
<knome> so the best thing we can do is break the ice (done in IRC) and propose it formally as we've agreed on, but in a respective manner
<knome> we don't want to lose *anybody* working on this project.
<slickymaster> belkinsa: go ahead and send the email, I'll mail him personnaly
<belkinsa> Alright, I will.  In reply to or a new one?
<belkinsa> s/I will/on it.
<jenni> belkinsa meant to say: Alright, on it..  In reply to or a new one?
<slickymaster> I think it's better a new one
<belkinsa> Okay.  What title should I title it?
<knome> belkinsa, draft in the same pad?
<belkinsa> For what?
<knome> personal mail?
<knome> i already started taht
<knome> feel free to draft elsewhere if you don't want my sticky fingers in ;)
<slickymaster> 5 minutes guys, I have to remove my laundry from the washing machine and put it in the dryer
<knome> slickymaster, summarize what you want to say to geoff?
<belkinsa> Should the mailing-list e-mail be also posted to the thread?
<knome> which thread?
<belkinsa> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2110857
<jenni> [ Discussion - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs ] - https://j.mp/1gy6yw6
<knome> why not
<belkinsa> I will be on it once I get slickymaster permisson.
<belkinsa> E-mail sent.
<belkinsa> And not CCed.  Sorry, knome.
<belkinsa> What is your e-mail?
<knome> oi oi. :)
<knome> i see the mail
<knome> mine is: ihodge@example.net
<knome> (ihodge@example.net works as well)
<belkinsa> Sent to your Ubuntu e-mail.
<belkinsa> slickymaster, ping.
<belkinsa> I know that you are there.
<belkinsa> ;)
<slickymaster> belkinsa: I'm here now
<belkinsa> Okay, sorry about that.  Anyways, can I post that e-mail minus the greetings in the Thread on the Forums?
<slickymaster> of coursse belkinsa, you didn't need to ask me that :P
<belkinsa> Okay, I was just checking.
<knome> belkinsa, slickymaster: see the pad for a personal mail draft
<belkinsa> Done.
<knome> again, feel free to add my name, but don't feel obliged to
<knome> and feel free to poke around as much as you like
<knome> bbiab
<belkinsa> Looks good.
<slickymaster> knome: please don't take it wrongly but I think I prefer to write him something myself
<knome> slickymaster, not at all :)
<knome> i guess that's the message i want to give him
<slickymaster> but I dfo have to say that your text is quite good
<knome> heh, thanks
<knome> i've been practicing!
<belkinsa> It's good that you have these skills.
<knome> yeah, one kind of has to when being an entrepreneur
<knome> ..or won't be too long
<knome> hardest part is writing the offers...
<belkinsa> It's bed time for me.  Thanks for the help everyone.
<knome> same here really
<knome> night belkinsa, slickymaster
<knome> thanks for taking care
<knome> ...and finally, see you later :)
<slickymaster> cy guys, I'm off to bed also, I'll have to be up in 3 hours to go to work :P
<slickymaster> thanks for evrything knome and pleia2
#ubuntu-newdocs 2014-02-28
<knome> hello
<slickymasterWork> I think it will be wuick
<slickymasterWork> quick*
<knome> sure
<slickymasterWork> as no one has even answered the mail on ML, I think we ought to move forward with the integration of the team in the Doc Team
<knome> yeah, sounds fair
<slickymasterWork> is there any bureaucracy needed
<slickymasterWork> ?
<knome> has geoff answered in PM?
<slickymasterWork> no
<knome> do you want to wait for that, or do you think it's okay to go ahead without it?
<slickymasterWork> but as far as I could get from some of his posts in UF he acknowledged it
<knome> okay
<knome> ok, so, let me think
<knome> first, you need to send an email saying we're doing this now
<slickymasterWork> IMO we should go ahead, there's no point on dragging it
<knome> someone needs to ask #ubuntu-ops to forward this channel to #ubuntu-doc once we're ready with it
<knome> the LP team can be deleted, but of course you should invite everybody to other doc teams
<knome> or, well, it can stay if you want to
<knome> i guess that doesn't matter much
<knome> the mailing list is LP only as well?
<knome> yeah.
<knome> you should edit the LP team to tell people to use the -doc mailing list
<slickymasterWork> yeah, the mailing list is only LP, it's not as ubuntu one
<knome> and maybe send a mail to that list telling "these people will start using this list, with this [tag]"
<slickymasterWork> s/as(an
<knome> iirc, you can deactivate the mailing list
<knome> yourself, that is
<knome> that would be sane
<slickymasterWork> agree
<knome> if there are forum threads, they can keep existing
<knome> but you might want to send an URL to those to the -doc list as well
<knome> then you probably want to move the team wiki stuff around a bit
<slickymasterWork> as far as the name changing in the wiki, can I do it (permissions wise?)
<knome> i can do it
<slickymasterWork> ok, I'll get all the motion started this weekend
<knome> i'll do the wiki name change now
<slickymasterWork> ok, thanks
<knome> no problem
<slickymasterWork> belkinsa ^^
<knome> ok, rename done, and NewDocs redirected to PopularPage
<knome> +s
<slickymasterWork> okay
<slickymasterWork> that covers it for now
<knome> i'll change all the links in that wiki to point to the new page
<slickymasterWork> while you're at it :)
<slickymasterWork> hmmm, think I'm also going to post something in the UF thread
<knome> yeah, that too
<knome> the alphabet pages need updating for the banners.
<knome> but i kept NewDocs/Banner for now
<slickymasterWork> isn't there any sort of script that would allow you to rename the url's
<slickymasterWork> ?
<knome> don't know
<knome> i mean, i can rename the pages
<knome> but not easily batch-edit the pages
<slickymasterWork> but there are quite a few of them, to be renamed
<knome> sure
<knome> but they work for now, so no problem
<knome> do it while you go really
<knome> or take 15mins to do it ;)
<slickymasterWork> when renaming, is there something that has to be done to the ancient page? deletion of sorts?
<knome> i redirected the old page to the new page
<knome> but not the subpages
<slickymasterWork> belkinsa: go through today's backlog please
<belkinsa> slickymaster (or slickymasterWork) ping
<slickymasterWork> pong if it's real fast belkinsa
<belkinsa> Are you going to talk to #ubuntu-ops about fowarding the channel?
<slickymasterWork> yes, but not just now though
<belkinsa> Okay, just checking.
<slickymasterWork> but we're not obliged to
<slickymasterWork> it's just that it doesn't make much sense keeping this channel once everything is done with
<belkinsa> I know.  But I think the Doc mailing-list needs another prefix.
<slickymasterWork> I thought you were already working on that
<slickymasterWork> at least from what I recall from your mailing list
<pleia2> couldn't it just be part of [Wiki] ?
<pleia2> (I would prefer that)
<belkinsa> I guess so.
<slickymasterWork> what pleia2?
<slickymasterWork> could
<slickymasterWork> +
<pleia2> slickymasterWork: the mailing list prefix
<belkinsa> A prefix for NewDocs or whatever it's calle.d
<slickymasterWork> ah
<slickymasterWork> yes, and it would saner
<slickymasterWork> PopularPages, as of unofficially today, and officially tomorrow
<belkinsa> Sounds good.
<slickymasterWork> I have to go now, but I'll be back after dinner
<slickymasterWork> ->
<belkinsa> Alright.
<knome> the alphabet pages now point to the PopularPages/Banner page.
<slickymaster> great knome, thanks
<knome> np
<belkinsa> Thanks knome.
<knome> so, is ya no a real person, or a bot?
<slickymaster> I0ve already emailed the ML, posted in the UF, and edited the LP page stating that from tomorrow NewDocs will cease to exist in the present format
<pleia2> great work everyone
<slickymaster> tks pleia2
<pleia2> my day off begins in a couple hours, so I'll take the opportunity now to /part here, see you in -doc ;)
<knome> yes, let's empty this channel
<belkinsa> Same, and remove from my favorites
<knome> yano, hai.
<slickymaster> before that knome how do I ask #ubuntu-ops to forward this channel to #ubuntu-doc
<belkinsa> We need to remove jenni, yano.
<yano> hm?
<yano> ah, okay
<knome> yano, cheers
<belkinsa> yano, https://lists.launchpad.net/newdocs/msg00403.html
<yano> ah
<knome> yano, welcome to #ubuntu-doc
<slickymaster> knome: does this channel has to be active to ask #ubuntu-ops to forward it to #ubuntu-doc?
<knome> i'm asking about it
<slickymaster> ok
<belkinsa> Well, it's time to update my wiki page.

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