#ubuntu-gnome 2013-08-01 <dbdr> hi! i'm currently using ubuntu 12.10 with gnome-shell as my desktop. is there a way to upgrade to 13.04 ubuntu gnome, besides reinstall? #ubuntu-gnome 2013-08-02 <jbicha> let's hope this gtk upload goes smoother than last time <Bezukhov> Does Ubuntu Gnome use Nautilus as a file manager? <bjsnider> of course <bjsnider> what else would it use? <Bezukhov> For some reason thought it used something different. Tnx <roasted> you can install others if you wish <roasted> I had nemo running for a while, as an example <Bezukhov> I don't.. In my limited experience Truecrypt doesn <Bezukhov> 't play well with any thing else <Bezukhov> Damn keyboard froze <darkxst> ricotz, why are the webkit dbg packages so massive (amd64 only)? <darkxst> libwebkit2gtk-3.0-25-dbg_2.0.3-1ubuntu1~build1_amd64.deb (1.2 GiB) <darkxst> libwebkit2gtk-3.0-25-dbg_2.0.3-1ubuntu1~build1_i386.deb (2.0 MiB) <Ubyscooby> Getting Alpha 1 nooooooooow <Ubyscooby> Have they fixed Nautilus so it stops closing on us <Ubyscooby> Heeeeellllooooooo..... <Ubyscooby> Have they fixed Nautilus so it stops from closing randomly?? Anybody know? <roasted> I never had it closing on me... <Ubyscooby> I see. Started about 1 month ago. Just started closing after about 10 minutes since it was opened <roasted> I haven't experienced that yet. are you updated? <Ubyscooby> yes I do all updates... I will see hoe Alpha 1 is going after it downloads <roasted> isn't alpha 2 out now? <Ubyscooby> thanks then roasted... <Ubyscooby> ahhhh im just trying to see if Im gettin A2 or A1 <roasted> I would think you could just update it to alpha 2 <roasted> I'd check but I'm on my phone <roasted> in the waiting room of a hospital. joy. :-P <Ubyscooby> ok confusion. on the site lots of mention of A1 but no A2. But I see i am getting A2 so all is good <roasted> I think the daily build would be alpha 2 <Ubyscooby> ok I see roasted. thanks for your comments <roasted> NP <Zoiaguyver> wow quiet tonight, all must be bug squashing <Srsly> Good Evening everyone <Srsly> I have a serious issue with my freshly installed ubuntu. It does not show a boot menu, just goes straight into ubuntu though I also have windows 8 isntalled <Zoiaguyver> Try holding the shift key when it boots, it should show you the menu then <Srsly> update-grub does not add an entry for windows 8 so I added one in 40_custom, still no menu showing up and I wonder how I can get into grub <Srsly> well I will try shift now <Srsly> though I dont like that. <Zoiaguyver> it should give the boot menu then <Zoiaguyver> Didn't work? <Srsly> well, I've been holding shift from the moment the medion logo appeared up to the login screen <Zoiaguyver> hmm <Srsly> medion bios log, then blue screen, then login screen <Srsly> nothing that amks any sense in beetween <Srsly> I alos tried grub-set-default with no effect <Zoiaguyver> I just normally keep tapping it soon as the bios appears, not sure what to suggest if you have already done a grub update, you could edit the grub.conf and set the timeout to -1, that would be the only other thing i could suggest <Srsly> -1 means forever? <Zoiaguyver> basically means until you select something <Zoiaguyver> just make sure if you do any changes to the grub.conf to run update-grub after or the changes don't normally take effect <Srsly> trying right now <Srsly> what <Srsly> update-grub surely overwrites grub.cfg <Srsly> so I eitehr change grub.cfg OR run update-grub <Srsly> unless I do it in the 00_header configfile <Srsly> whatever, trying right now <Zoiaguyver> na update-grub just regenerates the file afaik it used to create a new one with the original grub i think <Srsly> So <Srsly> it worked <Srsly> apparently a timeout=10 has no effect when tehre is a HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 in /etc/default/grub <Srsly> and I need to hit esc to get into grub <Zoiaguyver> ahh <Srsly> I actually set the HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=3 now <Srsly> and the HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=false <Zoiaguyver> Well atleast you fixed it :) <Srsly> indeed <Srsly> made windows 8 default again <Srsly> so all is as before with ubuntu available when wanted <Zoiaguyver> Good, good <Srsly> so thanks Zoiaguyver <Zoiaguyver> No problem, glad I could help <darkxst> jbicha, there seems to be something strange with the webkit -dbg packages ? They are massive on amd64 but not i386 <jbicha> darkxst: yeah but maybe that will be fixed with the next Debian upload <jbicha> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-webkit/webkit.git;a=commitdiff;h=9a777 <fds_> yo man <fds_> what is linux? <fds_> can i install linux on microsoft office? #ubuntu-gnome 2013-08-03 <darkxst> ricotz, webkit is killing my retracer ;( can we drop the -dbg packages? <darkxst> we have dbysym anyway <ricotz> darkxst, hmm, do you intend to update the package to 2.0.4? <ricotz> darkxst, if this is *really* necessary then dropping the -dbg packages should be a ppa only thing! <ricotz> darkxst, what is breaking, did you talk to cjwatson or pitti about that? <darkxst> ricotz, its just really really slow ;( <darkxst> I was actually look at uploading 2.1.3 to staging, but the symbols are a nightmare <roasted> hello <roasted> off topic, but... IM A DAD! WOOO <roasted> that is all. :D <phako> congrats <roasted> :D <roasted> Sent from my Ubuntu GNOME laptop. <roasted> haaaa :D <roasted> (there, slightly back on topic) <darkxst> roasted, congrats! <anonee> darkxst how r u? <anonee> u know u remind me of a flash designer called darxide... anyway... bjsnider, darkxst, please I asked this in the ubuntu room but to no avail. <anonee> 1. my phone PAN network is showing multiple times on the network list, (the network manager icon of the GNOME panel) how do I delete the duplicates? <anonee> 2. many programs are showing multiple times on the list when I select open with another application in nautilus.. suggestions? <anonee> anonee: 3. I can't mount ext4 drive, I've read here and there but not yet found the solution? <tommie-lie> anonee: did you try mounting on the command line? what's the error message then? anything in the kernel log? <anonee> tommie-lie I partially resolved the mount problem, the only thing now is it's always mounted in read-only mode, no errors are showing in terminal <tommie-lie> apart from the "device X mounted readonly"? <anonee> tommie-lie: no, the terminal is not returning anything, just mounting the partition in read-only <tommie-lie> anonee: are you sure or does the user you try to access the volume with does not have write permissions (that's a difference)? try "mount" (without arguments) and look for "rw" or "ro" in the corresponding line of your volume <tommie-lie> usually mount reports a read-only mount if you requested a rw mount <anonee> tommie-lie it's not read-only, but only root can write, and chown doesn't seem to be doing anything, the owner is still root, I've also had the same problem trying to chown another directory! help! <tommie-lie> try chown /mountpoint/. instead of /mountpoint <anonee> tommie-lie: thank you! it worked! but how am I gonna fix the same for another directory? (in the File System partition)? <tommie-lie> subdirectories in your ext4 filesystem? chown -R descends recursively into all subdirectories <xrooters> sal all <anonee> tommie-lie no I don't mean all the directories lol I mean a certain dir physically under the root partition... it didn't work when I was trying to chown a dir under /var <anonee> also, why did it work when we put the dot? could u please guide me to some reading so i can understand why or if it's simple then tell me? <tommie-lie> anonee: I don't know why it did not work for a directory under /var, it definitely should (except if it's the same issue like before with a mounted volume) <anonee> tommie-lie thanks a lot for the help, a little dot unlocked a lot of space :) <tommie-lie> anonee: as for the mount issue: /mountpoint logically belongs to the filesystem where the mountpoint is. chowning (or chmoding) that only changes the parent directory. to write to the mounted filesystem, you have to have write permissions to the root of the filesystem, which can be identified by /mountpoint/. <tommie-lie> the . means "current directory" (just like .. means "parent directory"), so if /mountpoint/file refers to file in the root of the filesystem, /mountpoint/. refers to the root itself <anonee> tommie-lie I understand something now, you mean the . is an environment variable that by itself means current dir, but when there is a dir before it we get another variable (parent directory) am I understanding right? <tommie-lie> it's not an environment variable, it's a proper directory entry in the filesystem data structure <tommie-lie> every directory has it by default and you cannot change it <tommie-lie> ls -a displays it <anonee> tommie-lie thanx for the conversation and all, peace. <phillw> excellent work by Ali and aldoman, you have a really good looking header for wiki area :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Header (corrected one thing that was throwing the box sizes out) <SonikkuAmerica> Ohai phillw, this was the last place I'd expect you to be! :) Guess you're all over like most of us <phillw> SonikkuAmerica: I'm a wiki editor, we pop up in all sorts of odd places :D <SonikkuAmerica> Oh please, I made huge edits to the Ubuntu GNOME wiki myself in prep for Ubuntu 13.04 <SonikkuAmerica> :D <SonikkuAmerica> I should create my Lubuntu testing VMs again. I ditched them in favor of a dual Ubuntu GNOME / Windows 8.1 Preview install. <anonee> I activated bluetooth to browse files on my phone, selected the PAN profile, I did the selection 3 times instead of selecting my phone from the bluetooth menu and selecting (browse files), as a result, I have my phone name listed 3 times in the network list, on click, they will ask if I want to use my phone's internet. how can I remove the duplicates? <SonikkuAmerica> On Ubuntu-GNOME? <anonee> SonikkuAmerica: no, on ubuntu 12.04 in GNOME 3.4 fallback mode <SonikkuAmerica> Oh. That question can be asked in #ubuntu then. This is for Ubuntu GNOME (with the GNOME Shell), starting with release 13.04 <anonee> SonikkuAmerica, I asked on ubuntu a few hours ago and now again, but nobody answered, and I googled but didn't find what I'm looking for, thank you for understanding... you didn't forget the old GNOME, I'm sure you still like it :D <SonikkuAmerica> Well... your issue isn't exactly with GNOME, but it can be tied to a program in the 12.04 repos, so keep asking. <SonikkuAmerica> ( in #ubuntu ) <roasted> SonikkuAmerica: why are you in here. #ubuntu-gnome 2013-08-04 <phillw> darkxst: just as thought.. have you got a restricted extras package? aka https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats <darkxst> phillw, no we dont, but we probably should have! <phillw> darkxst: I'd suggest using the lubuntu one, but that is currently pulling in chromium as a web-browser. If you have a chat <phillw> juilen (gilir) I'm sure he'd be happy to give the details needed <jbicha> why wouldn't ubuntu-restricted-extras also work for Ubuntu GNOME? <darkxst> jbicha, well it would, only thing I see with that is that it pulls in both gstreamer 0.1 and 1.0 <jbicha> there is still stuff in the Ubuntu archives that use gstreamer 0.10 <jbicha> it looks like lubuntu-restricted-addons is inadequate compared to ubuntu's <jbicha> Xubuntu's is probably inadequate for not including the gstreamer 1.0 stuff <jbicha> my opinion is that Xubuntu should just just use ubuntu-restricted-extras <jbicha> and that lubuntu-restricted-extras can recommend ubuntu-restricted-addons and the chromium extra codecs <jbicha> on the other hand, even lubuntu is using Firefox now so maybe even that's not needed (except for upgraders) <jbicha> alternatively, I'll ask qengho why the chromium codecs need to depend on chromium-browser; maybe we can get rid of all the other -extras except Kubuntu's <jbicha> because many people using Ubuntu use Chromium too <jbicha> ubuntu-restricted-extras needs to install a few extra things (like gstreamer 0.10 *and* 1.0 support) because it's not possible for other packages to recommend that stuff #ubuntu-gnome 2013-08-05 <lk82> hi <lk82> again i'd like to ask a question <lk82> my ubuntu 13.04 gnome version has a problem with one thing <lk82> it does not save the settings of desktop <lk82> i can't have desktop with mounted devices and files from desktop visible <lk82> has anybody any solution? <bjsnider> would someone kick that guy for sending private messages please? <lk82> hey dude, i'm just a newbie in this webchat <lk82> sorry for interrupt <lk82> i'm just looking a sollution for the problem i got with ubuntu and cannot find any solution in any forum <lk82> seems to me that ubuntu gnome has the lowest support of all ubuntu versions <lk82> anyway it looks well and works well for me, but in 12.04 i had no problem with system and in 13.04 this desktop issue i have is annoying #ubuntu-gnome 2013-08-06 <linux-user-web-d> ÐÑÐµÐ¼ Ð¿ÑÐ¸Ð²ÐµÑ! <linux-user-web-d> I am use git, php. mysql, nginx, debian, jEdit, gnome-3 classic desktop, firefox, gedit, mysql client for queries... <xmppwokki> Hi! I'm currently searching for a new distro to install. My main goals are newest software and kernel updates and gnome 3 experience. So ubuntu gnome seems much my needs. :-) I have a free questions about updates, installation and future support off this distro. <xmppwokki> What it's the difference in updates between u/gnome and original ubuntu? Does automatic update offers kernel update? I suppose u/gnome uses ubuntu repositories, will one have different or the same result if just add gnome to classic ubuntu this way: www.itworld.com/software/358051/install-gnome-shell-38-linux-mint-15 <xmppwokki> Thanks. <xmppwokki> Sorry for missprints, I'm using swype on android. much*match free*few <home> Hi I have an issue and, to be honest, I am not entirely sure where to ask it. So, I would love whatever advice I can get even if it is to try another channel. --I have installed a couple of games from the repos and they all have a tendency to move the cursor/character to the top left of the screen as if i was pressing the <left> and <up> keys <home> the games affected so far are Tumiki Fighters, Alex the Alligator, Frogatto and Titanion <home> other games I have installed are not affected and it doesn't seem to happen in any other app. any ideas? <home> if this doesn't sound like a ubuntu-gnome issue what channel should i ask on? <home> i think i just started ibus, is that a problem? <jbicha> home: I don't know, there are a lot more people in #ubuntu and you could try http://askubuntu.com/ #ubuntu-gnome 2013-08-07 <micahg> jbicha: sorry for the delay, icons updated <boynux> Hi <boynux> how to participate to this project? <darkxst> boynux, lots of things to help with, what area interests you? <boynux> More coding involved <boynux> @darkxst <darkxst> boynux, you want to code? or you want to avoid it? <boynux> @darkxst, to code! <darkxst> right, so the best place to start would be fixing bugs' <darkxst> boynux, are you familar with debian/ubuntu packaging? <boynux> @darkxst, well any mailing list? Debugging sounds good <boynux> @darkxst, or any bug tracking? launchpad? <darkxst> boynux, we have https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome for the PPA's <darkxst> everything else that is in the archives is tracked under the normal launchpad locations <darkxst> plus there is a list of bug reports (for all flavours) here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/defects <darkxst> ^from iso testing <boynux> @darkxst, ok how I could start you think? <darkxst> boynux, I don't know what your experience is <darkxst> however this might be a good start Bug 1204312 <ubot5> bug 1204312 in casper (Ubuntu) "ubuntu GNOME live session background not set correctly" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1204312 <boynux> @darkxst I can work on application bug fixes as well as kernel. <darkxst> this is a pretty popular one bug 1163886 <ubot5> bug 1163886 in software-center (Ubuntu) "software-center crashed with signal 5 with WebKit 2.0+" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1163886 <boynux> Ok, I'll check that bug, and if I can fix it what is the procedure? <boynux> I mean how I can commit the fix? <darkxst> boynux, either bazaar branch or debdiff <darkxst> debdiff is probably simpler if its just a simple fix, just attach to the report <darkxst> http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/udd-intro.html <boynux> Ok, I'll check that stuff and come back to channel later. I'll be dis next few hours <darkxst> boynux, I will be gone for the night soon <boynux> We have time differece here still evening :) +8 GMT <darkxst> boynux, if you need help with patches etc, jbicha or ricotz should be around later <darkxst> boynux, I'm +10 <boynux> @darkxst, Thanks, noted <darkxst> boynux, one last thing, not need for the @, this is not fb! <vagvaf> hello ppl, can i transform an ubuntu unity install to an ubuntu gnome one? do i have to change the repos? <SonikkuAmerica> Nope. Just [ sudo apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop ubuntu-gnome-default-settings && sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-settings ]/ <SonikkuAmerica> s///. <SonikkuAmerica> vagvaf: If that doesn't work use a Live image. <vagvaf> thanks SonikkuAmerica <SonikkuAmerica> vagvaf: yw <roasted> SonikkuAmerica is the man. <SonikkuAmerica> :) <jbicha> you don't have to remove ubuntu-settings in 13.04 <jbicha> so all you need is to install ubuntu-gnome-desktop #ubuntu-gnome 2013-08-08 <RingingEars> hi <ricotz> darkxst, hi <ricotz> darkxst, please don't add autoreconf patches use "dh-autoreconf" <ricotz> and better add this x11 dep in configure.ac <ricotz> "if possible" #ubuntu-gnome 2013-08-09 <bluemix> hello <bluemix> anybody there? #ubuntu-gnome 2013-08-10 <alex_alex> is my netbooks specs enough for ubuntu gnome 12.04 <alex_alex> it is acer aspire oneaoa15* <alex_alex> atom n270 1.66 ghz <alex_alex> 1.5 gb ram <alex_alex> intel gma945 gpu <ilp> hi? enybody here? <darkxst> ilp, hi <bigbadben> How do I make the words in the window bar not transparent anymore? I have asked every where I have tried resetting unity, compiz, I can not find the setting http://imgur.com/coUQxU4 #ubuntu-gnome 2013-08-11 <nazgul> Hi. Tim sent me here. I would like to get involved in packaging Gnome 3.10. I have already read about how packaging on Ubuntu works. <PendragonUK> Hi peeps, quick question... Use of Mir/MirX in future for Ubuntu-gnome? Or will it be using X for the future until Wayland is properly supported. <tommie-lie> PendragonUK: Gnome will probably never use Mir <darkxst> jbicha, so that compat change did not help with webkit symbols <darkxst> It seems that the i386 -dbg and both dbgsym packages have debug symbols stripped, but the amd64 doesnt. <darkxst> I think I will just upload 2.0.4-1, but drop the -dbg packages <Ultra_HR> The wubi.exe on the Ubuntu Gnome 13.04 ISO just downloads the regular version of Ubuntu. Is there a fix for this? I really want to install Ubuntu Gnome with Wubi. #ubuntu-gnome 2013-08-12 <jbicha> darkxst: ok <jbicha> darkxst: did you see that Debian just uploaded 2.0.4-1 ? <darkxst> jbicha, yes <jbicha> it looks like we're almost ready for uploading to Ubuntu directly <jbicha> I think the only remaining issue is to find a team subscriber for bug 1186553 and getting someone to care about fixing bug 1163886 <ubot5> bug 1186553 in libwebp (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libwebp" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1186553 <ubot5> bug 1163886 in software-center (Ubuntu) "software-center crashed with signal 5 with WebKit 2.0+" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1163886 <scorpion19> hello <scorpion19> i dont know i havent used this distro yet, but i got a minilaptop with 1gb of ram and i wonder if Lubuntu would be a better distro than this cuz lxde <nazgul_> Hi darkxst . I reported in to volunteer for packaging Gnome 3.10. What package would you recommend me/assign to me to start with? I wonder how you avoid duplicate work and how you collaborate with e.g. Debian. <jbicha> nazgul_: darkxst will likely be asleep for a few more hours <jbicha> what's packaged so far for 3.10 is in https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3-staging/+packages?field.series_filter=saucy <nazgul_> jbicha: thanks. how do you make sure several people do not work on the same module? <nazgul_> do I need to reserve a package or sth? * nazgul_ will be cycling now but back in 90min or so <jbicha> nazgul_: if you just mention what package you're working on in this irc channel, that should be fine <jbicha> maybe in the future we could use http://pad.ubuntu.com/ <nazgul_> jbicha: ok <nazgul_> "Authorization is required to access http://pad.ubuntu.com/" <jbicha> nazgul_: yeah, you'll need to either join a loco team on Launchpad or join https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad <darkxst> nazgul_, hi <darkxst> jbicha, so the compat 8 change seemed to fix the webkit build failures atleast! <jbicha> darkxst: cool, although I guess it'll be a problem that webkit won't build on powerpc <jbicha> https://buildd.debian.org/status/logs.php?pkg=webkitgtk&arch=powerpc <darkxst> I suppose no one cares about powerpc anymore! <darkxst> has it ever built on powerpc? <jbicha> yeah, it builds in unstable and saucy :( #ubuntu-gnome 2013-08-13 <darkxst> jbicha, did you see https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704362 <ubot5> Gnome bug 704362 in general "typelib end up in arch specific lib folder" [Normal,Unconfirmed] <gerardo_> Hello, I little question. How can I put the keyboard layout in the top icons? <darkxst> gerardo_, it will appear once you configure a second keyboard layout <gerardo_> in my case don't appear <gerardo_> only I can put alt + Caps Loock to change but I can't see in the desktop #ubuntu-gnome 2013-08-14 <darkxst> gerardo_, are you using gnome3-staging? <gerardo_> I have this version GNOME Shell +1-473-444-0812 <jbicha> darkxst: yeah I think that's just a Debian-specific packaging bug, see http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-gnome/desktop/unstable/gtk%2B3.0/debian/gir1.2-gtk-3.0.install?view=markup <UltraHR> Hey there, anyone able to offer some support for the 13.10 alpha? <pr0metheu5> hey guys <pr0metheu5> I can't figure this out for the life of me; is the DE Gnome Classic or Gnome Shell in Ubuntu Gnome? <jbicha> pr0metheu5: which version are you using? <pr0metheu5> I'm not on Ubuntu Gnome, I was just wondering <pr0metheu5> what the default DE is <UltraHR> Default DE in Ubuntu GNOME is GNOME 3.6 <UltraHR> (Not Classic) <jbicha> Ubuntu 13.10 will also include the new GNOME Classic (which is actually GNOME Shell with several pre-enabled extensions) but GNOME Shell will still be the default <pr0metheu5> Okay, gotcha <pr0metheu5> thanks =] <jbicha> there's a screenshot of the new Classic at https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.8/ <pr0metheu5> That looks very neat <pr0metheu5> I'm excited <pr0metheu5> 3.8 is out though, it seems? <Zoiaguyver> It is, you can use it with the 13.04 release by adding the gnome3 ppa <Zoiaguyver> But it becomes the default in 13.10 (3.10 should be in the gnome3 ppa then) <Zoiaguyver> Gnome makes it seem as though Ubuntu is a release behind, but the problem is the release dates vs testing, Gnome 3.10 arrives in September, Ubuntu-Gnome is in freeze then, so it means 3.10 can't be added :( <pr0metheu5> I'm gonna go install gnome 3.8 on my ubuntu install then <Zoiaguyver> Just add the gnome3 ppa and do a dist-upgrade and thats it, if you want to try all the 3.8 stuff you will need gnome3-staging ppa aswell, but I've had no issues at all with it on three systems it runs on <home> hey, has anyone figured out how to change the theme on apps that still use gtk2 (like firefox)? <a____> I think maybe you have to suck off your own face. top fucking lel. <a____> Ã¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬ Ã¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ Ã¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢âËÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââ¬Ã¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢âË Ã¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââ¬Ã¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââ¬Ã¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââ Ã¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââ¬Ã¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââÃ¢ââ¬Ã¢â <home> well, i tried sucking my own face off but that didn't work. any other suggestions? --maybe something more probable/useful <bjsnider> huh, firefox looks like adwaita here <jbicha> home: that was just a spammer, ignore him <bjsnider> in other words, this doesn't appear to be a problem for me <jbicha> a good theme will support gtk2 and gtk3 <bjsnider> couldn't be a spammer, his message was such a coherent argument <bjsnider> home, what theme are you using? <home> bjsnider, i was trying to use zukitwo <bjsnider> i guess it's not good enough <home> do you know which themes do work? <jbicha> darkxst: oh it's just a PPA bug then as it's for 3.9 <bjsnider> home, certainly adwaita, the default theme, would work <home> yes. the default theme is fine <darkxst> jbicha, yes <ronj> Hi ricotz jbicha darkxst, does issues with importing your packaged version of libgweather from an extension ring a bell to you? Seems the new Weather extension stumbles on it: https://github.com/Neroth/gnome-shell-extension-weather/issues/137 . I'm just asking in case anything obvious comes to your mind, if not then no worry the developer will look at it <ronj> seems it's Ubuntu specific, Fedora & Arch are fine <bjsnider> ronj, i installed this extension manually and it works <ronj> bjsnider, interesting! so for you, installing from the website fails, but manually works, right? for me both fail <bjsnider> with the packaged gweather and do forth <bjsnider> i didn't try from the website <ronj> ok <ronj> bjsnider, what's your version of libgweather* ? <ronj> oh, and you installed the recent V2 rework published days ago, right? <ronj> for me the old version (not relying on libgweather) used to work too <bjsnider> i have both libs 6.2 and 8.2 <bjsnider> i am using the extension based on gweather <bjsnider> apparently the shared libs are not mutually exclusive, but everything else is 8 <ronj> I have both too <bjsnider> it says you don't have the typelib file <bjsnider> gir1.2-gweather-3 <ronj> hmm yeah I missed that, don't know what it means, do you? <bjsnider> install the above package <ronj> ok thx trying <bjsnider> have you got gnome-weather installed? <ronj> bjsnider, installing gir1.2-gweather-3 and reinstalling the ext did the trick! <ronj> yeah it is installed <bjsnider> gnome-weather pulls it in <ronj> hmmm well it didn't for me <ronj> dependency issue? <bjsnider> what happens if you try to uninstall the typelib package? <ronj> ... The following packages will be REMOVED: gir1.2-gweather-3.0 <ronj> and that's it <bjsnider> here it also has to remove gnome-weather <ronj> bjsnider, should I report a bug on gnome-team's LP? <bjsnider> where idd you get these packages? <bjsnider> i got mine from the stable ppa <ronj> well <ronj> turns out I didn't have gnome-weather. and there's no dep issue, now if I try to remove the typelib package, apt-get correctly asks to remove gnome-weather <bjsnider> wonder why you didn't have gnome-weather <bjsnider> but anyway, that's what is supposed to pull in the typelib <ronj> yup it does. maybe I uninstalled it because I didn't use it <bjsnider> so there's no bug <ronj> correct, ideally the extension dev. could show an error message if gnome-weather is absent, or just communicate the need for gnome-weather via its extension description. <ronj> thanks! <ronj> mentioning all that in the GitHub issue <jbicha> it should be easier with 13.10: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-weather <bjsnider> obviously the package created for the extension should pull in gnome-weather <bjsnider> that would have fixed this particular issue <bjsnider> i haven't looked at it because i just build it from source, but i suppose it doesn't depend on it now <jbicha> bjsnider: can you report that to Debian? <bjsnider> sure <jbicha> js or python apps usually need to have their dependencies explicitly declared <bjsnider> in the app? <jbicha> it doesn't need to depend on gnome-weather, just the gweather gir <jbicha> oh it's part of pkg-gnome, I can fix it in svn at least <jbicha> bjsnider: ok, we don't necessarily need the Debian bug now <bjsnider> i figured depending on gnome-weather was safer because that will pull everything in <bjsnider> it may be too vague for debian <jbicha> bjsnider: but gnome-weather isn't in Debian or Ubuntu yet; there's a licensing problem <bjsnider> ok <bjsnider> jbicha, depends on the shared lib too right? <jbicha> yeah, a gir needs to depend on its library <bjsnider> what's the stupid licensing problem? <jbicha> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/703150 <ubot5> Gnome bug 703150 in general "Please relicense art to CC-BY-SA 3.0" [Normal,Unconfirmed] <bjsnider> oh, just use public domain images <jbicha> that's one fix, if you want to submit a patch for that to GNOME, there's only a few days left before the 3.10 Freeze #ubuntu-gnome 2013-08-15 <damianos> Hello need a little help with gtkrc please <damianos> I'm trying to skin inkscape via ~/.gtkrc-2.0 and nothing I do affects it <bjsnider> well, this is definitely the right place for that question <ricotz> darkxst, ping <ricotz> darkxst, the current webkit lib packages for raring are unstripped and massively huge <ricotz> darkxst, why did you drop dh_strip on raring and left it in saucy? <ricotz> 627M usr/lib/libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0.18.9 <jbicha> in a few hours, you should be able to just run backportpackage to get the latest webkitgtk since it includes the last of the Ubuntu diff <ShawnMcCool> is it possible to get ubuntu one in ubuntu gnome? <poopbaron> hey I want to give ubuntu gnome a spin, but am worried about compatability with the fglrx driver...anyone know if the two can coexist? <jbicha> darkxst: I backported webkit to the gnome3/raring ppa, the -dbg packages are much smaller than they were before <darkxst> jbicha, ok <darkxst> I see the ddebs are still broken as well anyway <jbicha> supposedly this version will build on powerpc which just leaves the USC bug as a blocker from uploading to saucy <jbicha> if we upload to Saucy, there won't be a problem with bug reproducability though :| <darkxst> I still think its somehow related to speed and or network latency. I cannot reproduce it all on my main machine #ubuntu-gnome 2013-08-16 <jbicha> darkxst: yeah that makes sense too, a developer is likely to have a faster machine/connection <jbicha> do you have an ssd? <petersaints> Hi guys! I was testing out Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 (and also 13.04 with the GNOME 3.8 PPAs) and I noticed that searching files through the Dash/Activities is not working <petersaints> I create a text file in the Documents folder and search for it... and it's simply not found. <petersaints> On Fedora 19 it works ok. Is this something that needs to be enabled manually on Ubuntu GNOME? <petersaints> I believe this is the cause: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1076232 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1076232 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Build with tracker support" [Wishlist,Confirmed] #ubuntu-gnome 2013-08-17 <bluemix> hey you <bluemix> any body here? <Viper> Salut <Guest69127> Anyone here using Ubuntu-Gnome??? <Guest69127> I leave ... its to loud here for me! <checoimg> Hi guys I'm having troubles bringing up the notification area on 13.10 daily <checoimg> I place the cursor in the bottom right corner and nothing happens <roasted> does super + M work? <roasted> i actually noticed this was randomly failing as well <roasted> sometimes it would work other times it would foul up and just not respond to me <checoimg> Yes Super + m works <checoimg> Sorry I didn't get the notification from IRC <checoimg> roasted : Thank you! <roasted> checoimg: yeah, super M may work, and that's a good sign, but it's still something that should be escalated. <roasted> checoimg: I, admittedly, saw it happening on my Lenovo (which runs 13.10) but thought it was a side effect as my entire system has been acting funky lately. <roasted> I have not reported a bug or escalated it at all yet. It didn't dawn on me that this could be an actual issue. I've been updating my system regularly, so I wonder if an update caused a slight regression in regard to the pop-up-ability from the notification menu as you and I have seen. <ronj> Hi everybody. I have a test machine that I can use to give 3.10 a try. Is now a good time to try the staging PPA? If yes, are there places/apps/features needing special attention & testing? Thanks! <checoimg> roasted : Have you experienced Freezes ? <checoimg> Freezing <checoimg> I think my video driver is going crazy <checoimg> FPS with glxgears is 60 <roasted> checoimg: the only freezes I have experienced were with ubuntu 13.04 on my lenovo <roasted> checoimg: there was a known bug with sandy bridge intel processors (using the embedded gpu to the cpu of course) that caused the system to freeze randomly on the 3.8 kernel. <roasted> checoimg: that's why I use 13.10 and tolerate/bug report the alpha-ness of it on my lenovo and 13.04 on my toshiba (even though the toshiba has a sandy bridge intel proc/gpu with no issues) <ronj> roasted, do you stay with a clean Saucy, or did you try the staging PPA? I'd like to try GNOME 3.10 on a test machine, is it currently stable enough for that? #ubuntu-gnome 2013-08-18 <roasted> anybody with files 3.8.2 (13.04, gnome3 ppa here) seeing that 'files' is not previewing thumbnails to samba shares even with the setting in preferences set accordingly? <darkxst> roasted, file a bug, although it could well be an upstream bug. <roasted> darkxst: just did last night :) <roasted> darkxst: I should ifre up manjaro or opensuse to see if it exists there... <roasted> darkxst: have you, by chance, seen it yourself? I see it on both 13.04 and 13.10. I was kind of surprised I wasn't finding more talk of it when I googled it. <eXXon> Hi to all, may be an stupid question, but could someone tell me how I can install ubuntu gnome using wubi? #ubuntu-gnome 2013-08-19 <G33kDad> hello all. I am trying to set up a new install of Ubuntu Gnome Raring. Can someone point me to the setting to change the hot corners? I was able to do it on the LiveCD (i think), but I can't seem to do it on the install <hyokz> hey =) <hyokz> I got a question, why ubuntu gnome and not linux-mint ? <checoimg> What's the difference between Alpha 2 and Daily release ? <checoimg> Maybe it's obvious to say Daily is a daily release and Alpha is the second alpha release. But whatever I want to ask <nazgul_> checoimg: dailies are incremental most-up-to-date and not-guaranteed-to-work-at-all releases. <darkxst> checoimg, essentially the milestone releases such as alpha's and beta go through some QA to ensure they work. <darkxst> of course installing alpha 2 and then running update, will end up with the same state as daily <bjsnider> i thinkt hey make sure the alpha will boot and so forth #ubuntu-gnome 2013-08-20 <checoimg> Thank you guys <checoimg> sorry my late response <checoimg> my girlfriend is here so AFK from now on <bjsnider> is it in the works to have a gnome3/wayland ppa for 3.10 that has libmutter/wayland and so forth built and configured? <bjsnider> i mean so people can test it and so forth <Zoiaguyver> bjsnider: As far as I'm aware its not been decided what is happening for Gnome 3.10, At the moment they are concentrating on Ubuntu-Gnome 13.10, and probably setting the foundations for 14.04. ricotz ppa will probably have 3.10 when its released, but I'm not sure on the Wayland stuff <darkxst> bjsnider, packages on gnome3-staging will have wayland backends enabled #ubuntu-gnome 2013-08-22 <jbicha_> hmm, goa 3.9.90 bumps its soname which means it will be a lot more work to update it <jbicha_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6015243/ <ricotz> jbicha_, dont forget libgoa-1.0-0 > libgoa-1.0-1 <jbicha_> ricotz: well there's two libraries, libgoa and libgoa-backend but only one got a soname bump <jbicha_> so I'm not sure how we want to handle that <ricotz> ah my bad, that sound like a split then <ricotz> pango is a good example how to go <bjsnider> why would they only bump the one soname? <ntzrmtthihu777> wow, we're pretty few here... well, I'd like to ask a question or two. Does ubuntu-gnome have any native multitouch support like unity? <ricotz> bjsnider, they are independent libraries, so this is pretty normal <darkxst> jbicha_, do you know where the other flavours package isolinux themes? <roasted> hello friends <darkxst> hi roasted <roasted> on my 13.04 + Gnome3 PPA install, I have desktop icons (home, computer, trash) but they are unchecked in dconf-editor and no matter what setting I use in the tweak tool to let nautilus control the desktop, nothing removes the icons. <roasted> What am I missing? <checoimg> Hi everyone <checoimg> I used to mount ISO files with ease in Ubuntu, now I installed OGMRip and it appear as default action for ISO images <checoimg> And I can't mount the image <roasted> nothing? <darkxst> roasted, nope, havent heard that happen before <darkxst> I suppose you checked that org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons is false? <roasted> darkxst: yeah, unchecked #ubuntu-gnome 2013-08-23 <jbicha_> darkxst: you might need to ask cjwatson (but he's out through the weekend) <jbicha_> roasted: are you using GNOME Classic? <roasted> no <roasted> jbicha_: gnome3 ppa, 3.8 <roasted> 3.8.3 in particular <darkxst> jbicha_, so was thinking we could add a gnome3-next ppa? <darkxst> so gnome3 would be missing 3.8 bits <darkxst> gnome3-next stable 3.10 bits <darkxst> jbicha_, gjs update is still fine for saucy -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6017089/ <petersaints> is there plans to release a GNOME 3.10 PPA for Saucy? Even if not immediately after the release of GNOME 3.10 at least for the Ubuntu 13.10 release? <ricotz> petersaints, there is, GNOME 3.10 saucy packages are staged in ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3-staging for testing <petersaints> ricotz: Yeah I just noticed it. But they seem incomplete (yet). But well... I hope that later on a full non-Staging PPA becomes available :P <petersaints> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1076232 is there any idea if this bug is ever gonna be fixed? I mean... at least through a PPA it would be nice to have a pre-built Nautilus with tracker support. <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1076232 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Build with tracker support" [Wishlist,Confirmed] <petersaints> on Saucy there are currently missing some items on system settings, namely search, privacy and notification options. AFAIK they are missing from Raring with the PPA as well, but show up when using the Staging PPA. Is this intended? I mean it seems that because Ubuntu GNOME uses GNOME's base packages that are also used on the main Ubuntu, it leads to some stuff being unavailable on Ubuntu GNOME. This is sad... a true GNOME <petersaints> experience should be provided on this derivative. Any thoughts about this from anyone else? <bjsnider> it's typically because of instability due to conflicts with ubuntu packages <Ponch0> Hey guys how can I make a shortcut to the bar on left from an icon in a folder? <petersaints> bjsnider: I know... but it sucks. For example, Kubuntu has no such problems in offering a complete KDE experience because Ubuntu does not use GNOME. It's really a shame :( <bjsnider> well, the fact that it sucks doesn't make the problem disappear <petersaints> yeah bjsnider. Ideally Ubuntu GNOME should have an extra repo with packages that would override the ones used by "vanilla" Ubuntu. But I know that's not possible according to Canonical rules for official derivatives. <bjsnider> it's better to just have them peacefully coexist <petersaints> true.dat <darkxst> petersaints, that is because gnome-control-center needs to be updated to 3.8 <darkxst> unfortunately it doesnt look like we will be able to get that in this cycle though <petersaints> darkxst: you are right <petersaints> I thought it acolon@example.com with some options disabled <petersaints> but I checked http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gnome-control-center and acolon@example.com on Saucy <petersaints> what a shame <darkxst> so we will ship g-c-c 3.8 on the ppa <darkxst> hopefully ubuntu will fork g-c-c next cycle <petersaints> ok darkxst. It's better than nothing ;) <Zoiaguyver> oh no please no more forks.. lets get some spoons or knives. <petersaints> yeah they are changing more and more stuff to integrate GNOME with Unity so it makes sense. <petersaints> Even though with the current 3.8 I believe that GNOME is much more mature and usable than Unity <petersaints> if it wasn't for their convergence ideas they'd be better with Ubuntu themed GNOME Shell than with Unity. <petersaints> darkxst: another thing that you could include in the PPA could be a version of Nautilus with Tracker support: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1076232 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1076232 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Build with tracker support" [Wishlist,Confirmed] <Zoiaguyver> Well that would be a problem, GNOME breaks the themeing every update as it is <petersaints> so that the activies overlay is able to show file results <darkxst> petersaints, well we could, but its generally a pain keeping things like that up to date (i.e. every new upload in the archive overrides ppa package) <bjsnider> convergence ideas? <Zoiaguyver> Think he was on about the Unity on everything (or well atleast when it hits ver 8.0) <bjsnider> they want it on phones <bjsnider> that's the bottom line <Zoiaguyver> Its also on Desktops and Tablets <Zoiaguyver> Its basically aimed to be a one UI fits all thing (or well one UI can adjust to all) <bjsnider> i think it's designed for phones and mobile handheld devices in general <Zoiaguyver> Well afaik it's designed to adjust to whatever its on. It was in a 13.10 desktop ppa I think for testing <darkxst> ricotz, hi <petersaints> exactly... but Unity 8 will still take some time to be the default <petersaints> probably only on 14.10 <darkxst> ricotz, looks like mutter needs the new cogl <petersaints> 14.04 is LTS so I don't think they will put it <darkxst> I think unity 8 is planned for 14.10 <Zoiaguyver> I can't see it going in 14.04 either, to have Mir and Unity 8 in there I think would be a little to much <darkxst> 14.04 will be Unity7 and XMir still <Zoiaguyver> Yeah <ricotz> darkxst, hi, yes, but not necessarily while reverting two commits, g-s is a more complicated and requires some (6) cherry-picked bug fixes for clutter <ricotz> darkxst, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/148161709/clutter-1.0_1.14.5%2Bgit20130627.74f9d8a5-0ubuntu1~13.10~ricotz0_1.14.5%2Bgit20130627.74f9d8a5-0ubuntu1~13.10~ricotz1.diff.gz <ricotz> mutter: <ricotz> git revert --no-edit fdfde62a331323bc7550f74ca2dcf44730c82ca4 <ricotz> git revert --no-edit 2b940f6ababcfa7c02616574bc8a5203e582e86d <ricotz> git revert --no-edit f42682711b187489bfb8386ed0979db1edeed481 <Zoiaguyver> Going to be harder for people with the derivatives after that change I think (Mir/Unity8), at least for a while. <darkxst> ricotz, ok <darkxst> ricotz, what do you think about adding another ppa gnome3-next for stable 3.10 bits, so can keep gnome3 for 3.8 bits that are/will be missing in saucy <ricotz> darkxst, hmm, doesnt sound that reasonable, and could get confusing for ppa users with a 3rd one, what is the rationale for that? <darkxst> ricotz, mainly that its incredibly unlikely that we will get g-c-c 3.8 into saucy <ricotz> darkxst, putting the 3.8 saucy packages in gnome3 seems fine until 3.10 is stable enough, is g-c-c 3.9.x already using the mutter dbus interface? <darkxst> ricotz, I believe so <ricotz> darkxst, saucy not getting those 3.8 bit doesnt sound like a reason to do so <ricotz> i guess you want to keep some kind of "backups" for later proposals? <darkxst> ricotz, well that, and it would be good to have more widespread testing for when it does finally land <ricotz> darkxst, hmm, i see <ricotz> darkxst, https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3-next <ricotz> darkxst, g2g, bxe <ricotz> bye #ubuntu-gnome 2013-08-24 <Nikoya> hello ! <sazawal> I just installed Ubuntu 13.04 64-bit on my desktop and installed gnome-shell 3.6. Whenever I switch to overview mode or open any menu from the top panel, my screen freezes and I am forced to do gnome-shell --replace in Ctrl+Alt+F1 command line. Please help <bjsnider> sazawal, ok, so what graphics driver is this? <bjsnider> and what gpu <sazawal> My gnome-control-center>Details>Graphics is showing Intel Ivybridge Desktop. And there are no drivers present in software-properties-gtk>Additional Drivers. <sazawal> My gnome-control-center>Details>Graphics is showing Intel Ivybridge Desktop. And there are no drivers present in software-properties-gtk>Additional Drivers. <sazawal> Unfortunately, I dont know the graphics hardware used in the system <bjsnider> i didn't have these issues on ivybridge with 3.6 <bjsnider> i am in fact using an ivb system right now <sazawal> bjsnider, ohh. My lspci output shows, <sazawal> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09) <bjsnider> xeon? <bjsnider> what sort of system is this? <sazawal> Yes, that is what it is showing. It is an assembled system from my lab. <bjsnider> this must be some sort of workstation <sazawal> bjsnider, Yes, it could be <sazawal> because it has 2 disks of 1.82 tb size <bjsnider> not what i meant by workstation <bjsnider> are you logging in with lightdm or gdm? <sazawal> bjsnider, Earlier I tried with gdm but it freezes as soon as I log in. Then when I used lightdm, I already told you what is happening. <bjsnider> ok, so there's a log at .xsession-errors that may have useful info <sazawal> yes here it is, http://pastebin.com/CcMqtYxE <sazawal> bjsnider, I guess I should use gnome-session-fallback for the timebeing until upgrades in the driver. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/IntelSNA <bjsnider> sna can be disabled using xorg.conf <sazawal> bjsnider, I think this is the latest that ubuntu came up with. And it is written that it has no issues with Ivybridge which I am using. May be there is no problem in unity. Ubuntu cannot promise anything for using gnome 3 beta. :( <bjsnider> you could try the ppa for gnome 3.8 <sazawal> bjsnider, I tried that first. Same problem. <theenduser> o/ <theenduser> how do I get rid of the keyboard layout in the panel?\ <theenduser> this is alpha 2 btw <punzilla> hi <punzilla> Can I please have some assistance <punzilla> I am trying to get Citrix installed <punzilla> on my ubuntu 13.10 #ubuntu-gnome 2013-08-25 <derami90> Hi <derami90> I have a short Question: Is there going to be a LTS Version once the next Ubuntu LTS comes out? <smartboyhw> derami90, 99% of chance I think <derami90> Thanks! <darkxst> smartboyhw, we won't officially have an LTS version <smartboyhw> darkxst, why? <smartboyhw> You are qualified to <darkxst> we don't really have the man power to maintain it <darkxst> that said, updates will continue to flow via the normal archives <tommie-lie> for anything but the Desktop, that is ;-) <darkxst> well GNOME is moving at such a fast pace, it becomes incredibly difficult to backport fixes <darkxst> although we will see what RH do now, that gnome-shell (albeit classic) in going into RHEL <smartboyhw> darkxst, I think Lubuntu is simliar as you guys, and they want LTS. <darkxst> they also have more manpower than us! <smartboyhw> darkxst, not developer-wise:P <smartboyhw> That's for sure <smartboyhw> And, they have a lot more of images to maintain than you guys <tommie-lie> smartboyhw: it also depends on how upstream behaves. If they support their old releases or even just don't release as often as Gnome does, a LTS is much easier <darkxst> there is currently no upstream LTS support for GNOME <darkxst> smartboyhw, it also comes down to testers, 90% when I make a SRU, I have to do the testing myself ;( <smartboyhw> darkxst, I thought Ali would handle the testing (he's your QA lead after all) <darkxst> smartboyhw, yeh, although he has been a bit busy with real life stuff this cycle <smartboyhw> darkxst, actually, he's too busy I think:P <darkxst> smartboyhw, probably that too! <smartboyhw> He's jumping from distribution to distribution <darkxst> right <smartboyhw> (Although I am too:P) <darkxst> why all the jumping? <smartboyhw> darkxst, good question. But I seem to be able to handle it. <checoimg> Hi guys <checoimg> I just want to mention that the notifications are now shown when pressing the pointer down in the border not in the right down corner <checoimg> I was having trouble with this but by accident discovered it <checoimg> Any area down will do except the corners <checoimg> when I say "pressing" I mean trying to down down even when you reach the bottom <jbicha> darkxst: we're not going to try to backport the GNOME 3.10 default wallpaper, right? <darkxst> jbicha, we might as well, but not sure if we should make it default <jbicha> darkxst: well this was the commit: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-themes-standard/commit/?id=3d738 <jbicha> which means it's going to replace the old default <jbicha> quilt can't handle binary changes like that so we'd have to overwrite the files manually <darkxst> we could add it as new wallpaper? ie rename the files and update xml file <jbicha> and specify the files in debian/source/include-binaries #ubuntu-gnome 2013-08-26 <jbicha> I don't see the point; for 3.10 the old ones don't exist any more so we're not keeping them around <jbicha> although maybe they should be added to the gnome-wallpapers package upstream <darkxst> jbicha, ok just replace them then <roasted> backport the wallpaper? I guess that means 3.10 won't land by default? <jbicha> no, and we can't land gnome-themes-standard 3.10 without at least GTK 3.10 <jbicha> the games could be updated to 3.10 but since they need to be updated individually now, it will take someone a while to do it (and there will be a second beta, a RC, and a final build) <jbicha> many of the smaller utilities also require GTK 3.10 too so not much more can be updated for saucy directly <roasted> I assume a PPA will exist though? <darkxst> roasted, yes <darkxst> currently the core parts of 3.10 are on gnome3-staging <darkxst> they will be moved to a new gnome3-next ppa when they are ready <roasted> nice <jbicha> ricotz: do you know if wayland will be updated to 1.2 in saucy? because cogl needs it, right? <superdump> how does the ubuntu gnome project manage gnome updates? <superdump> it seems like ubuntugnome 13.10 will use gnome 3.8 <superdump> but around that time, gnome 3.10 will be released <superdump> well, 3.10.0 is scheduled for september 25th currently <superdump> does ubuntu gnome then update the packages using the next gnome release and put them on a ppa? or how do you manage it? <smartboyhw> superdump, the problem is September 25th is WAY past FeatureFreeze <superdump> sure, i understand <smartboyhw> That's why Ubuntu GNOME can't include it <smartboyhw> It will probably be in 14.04 <smartboyhw> And might appear in a PPA too <bjsnider> there's always a ppa <superdump> i see that there is always a ppa, i'm just wondering how long it will take to get 3.10 in some usable form <superdump> and in saying that, i'm not making any demands <superdump> just wondering how ubuntu gnome manage it :) <bjsnider> it's been explained <superdump> there's an upper bound of 14.04 but it hasn't been suggested how long it may normally take you guys to package up a new release after it's been made - is it closer to 13.10 or closer to 14.04? <superdump> for example <bjsnider> right away in the ppa <superdump>
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