#ubuntu-community-team 2011-01-01 <daker> kim0, you there ? <czajkowski> Happy 1.1.11 <daker> kim0, are you there man ? <daker> a very bad new year in egypt <daker> terroriste attaque in egypt at 00:20 <daker> http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/01/20111111533958901.html #ubuntu-community-team 2011-01-02 <jcastro> popey: doctormo: pings <doctormo> who operates the planet? does anyone know? I have some css to add in to stop some of those really big images from hurting the layout. <cjohnston> doctormo: do you have the code on lp? <doctormo> cjohnston: I can't seem to find any code base to add it to. <cjohnston> i dont belive there is <cjohnston> if you upload it to lp ill work on trying to find the right person to get it to <doctormo> cjohnston: http://paste.ubuntu.com/549658/ <doctormo> cjohnston: and here is a bug report to track things: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/696651 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 696651 in ubuntu-community "Plant Ubuntu allows really large images to be posted (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] <cjohnston> ok.. thanks doctormo #ubuntu-community-team 2011-01-03 <doctormo> cjohnston: Are you around to talk? <cjohnston> irc or skype? <doctormo> It's probably a little late for popey or pleia2, but if either of you two are about too. <doctormo> cjohnston: skype sounds cool, I don't get enough chances to use it, my empathy works too for video/audio. <cjohnston> i can irc, not skype <doctormo> okay, private message on it's way <cjohnston> okie <popey> doctormo: far too late / drunk to talk to anyone :) <doctormo> popey: *hic* dubbly-dub! nigh-night <popey> \o/ <popey> bed <kim0> Morning folks o/ <nigelb> Morning kim0, happy new year :) <kim0> nigelb: same to you :) <nigelb> When does the rest of Canonical wake up? :D <kim0> hehe <kim0> I only know daniel is off till tomorrow (Beirut) <nigelb> dholbach is in Beirut? O_O <nigelb> I envy the guy so much right now :p <kim0> hoho Yes! <nigelb> Did he vist Cairo too? :) <kim0> his family was planning it or something .. he told me he'd tell me soon :) <kim0> around the world in 80 days hehe <nigelb> o.O <nigelb> wow <jussi> kim0: great to see you here - hope that you werent overly affected by the blasts there on the weekend. <kim0> shit happens :/ Life needs to go on <dpm> good morning everyone, and happy new year! :) <kim0> dpm: o/ hey there :) <dpm> hey kim0, morning :) <kim0> dpm: hope you had some great time off <dpm> I certainly did, I was offline for most of the time <nigelb> Morning dp:) <nigelb> err <nigelb> he left :/ <nigelb> aha <nigelb> Morning dpm \o/ <dpm> hey nigelb :) <daker> kim0, howdy ? <nigelb> howdy dak <nigelb> daker: <nigelb> I fail at tab today :p <daker> hello nigelb <kim0> daker: hey man :) <duanedesign> 'lo all <duanedesign> .5 <nigelb> 1/2 <nigelb> half :p <dpm> hey duanedesign, hey daker :) <daker> hello dpm <huats> morning <daker> morning huats <czajkowski> still holidays over here today :D <nigelb> czajkowski: You're back in UK? :) <czajkowski> yes <nigelb> Monday holiday is so much fun. * nigelb struggling with headache. :/ <czajkowski> same in uk and ireland today it's a bank holiday as new years day was on the weekend <czajkowski> *shrugs* <nigelb> Lucky. <duanedesign> nigelb: headaches suck : <nigelb> duanedesign: True. <duanedesign> :\ <nigelb> I can't work. Just trying to finish of whatever boring tasks etc like replying to mail and stuff. <duanedesign> yep, i am just stating the obvious today :) <duanedesign> nigelb: i got my gmail/ubuntu inbox down to 0 <duanedesign> \o/ <nigelb> w00t <czajkowski> aye I did mine yesterday <czajkowski> down to 2 to reply to and all done :D <nigelb> My colleague just invited us to his weddig in the most beautiful fashion <nigelb> http://www.garyandtracey.co.cc/ <nigelb> Appropriate card for a web developer and project manager ;) <duanedesign> czajkowski: i let my inbox get up to 4000+. Took 3 days of working on it to get to 0 :P <duanedesign> ill never let that happen again <czajkowski> duanedesign: nope never ever again :) <czajkowski> duanedesign: I find tagging works really well <nigelb> The Priority Mail was helpful when I couldn't use filters :) <AlanBell> I never really got the hang of folders, just use full text search and let it build up <czajkowski> I only use thunderbird for my mail <czajkowski> only have a gmail ac for back up and well access to google cals and docs <AlanBell> 27,760 is probably a few too many emails to have in my inbox tbh <czajkowski> just a tad <jcastro> wooo! <jcastro> back to the grind! * duanedesign waves at jcastro * kim0 waves to jcastro <jcastro> can we go back on holiday? :) <kim0> hehe * nigelb waves to jcastro <jcastro> alright! <jcastro> we just need JFo and everything will be back to normal <jcastro> no daniel today? <kim0> jcastro: nope Beirut * JFo gets his knife <kim0> jcastro: back on Wed <nigelb> hrm, JFo seems to be back <JFo> yep <JFo> wading through tons of e-mail <jcastro> you sound disappointed nigelb <jcastro> heh <JFo> :) <JFo> he was hoping to have some more time away from me :-) <kim0> hehee <nigelb> jcastro: lol <nigelb> jcastro: JFo and I are having a serious facebook discussion about *ville apps ;) <JFo> very serious * JFo looks for facebook regular expressions <nigelb> heh <nigelb> It would be so cool to have that. <JFo> one of my friends wrote a script that hid all of the quizzes in his facebook pages * JFo looks for it <JFo> might be possible to modify it for the *villes <nigelb> oh, that would be totally cool \o/ <JFo> found it <JFo> it is javascript <JFo> one sec <JFo> I'll pastebin it <nigelb> w00t <JFo> nigelb, http://pastebin.com/fj2LhSgB <jussi> JFo: just clicked yes :) <nigelb> JFo: oh dear. I pissed somone off :p <JFo> nigelb, they will be ok <JFo> folks are resilient like that :-) * czajkowski prods JFo and runs away <JFo> 8-O <JFo> yay, jussi is muh friend! \O/ <jussi> :D <JFo> whyfore you prod me czajkowski? :-( <czajkowski> JFo: you were there and it was either prod you or stab someone :s lesser of two evils really <czajkowski> jcastro: you about my dear * jussi wonders if anyone else has diaspora here that wants to be friends.... <JFo> side note: next year I am going somewhere other than my own home for the holidays <JFo> czajkowski, thanks then :) <jcastro> czajkowski: I am <czajkowski> you free for a quick pm ? <theos> hello! <jussi> hi theos <theos> we are having a conference about open-source. i would like to introduce around 500 students to ubuntu.can you please guide me on how to get some ubuntu cds shipped? <czajkowski> theos: where are you based? <theos> czajkowski, i am around new delhi, India <jussi> theos: there is a special request link on the shipit site <jussi> although others may be able to give you more info <czajkowski> but I suspect 500 is lot and may not get processed but you can try, also talking to people in your area in a loco on loco.ubuntu.com may be more helpful as well <theos> jussi, i know thanks. but i dont think they will take me seriously if i request 500 cds in that form <jussi> theos: there is a open description part for explaining why: https://shipit.ubuntu.com/specialrequest <czajkowski> theos: 500 is a lot to ship tbh <nigelb> theos: isn't it cheaper to get it done locally? <theos> well the thing is the cd cover/print with "UBUNTU" on it has a different feel <nigelb> I'm pretty sure you can get it done locally, the printing bit <theos> thats the main reason i want the original cds <jussi> theos: and are you getting a pack made for each student? or are they just going to be there for people to take? <czajkowski> heh <nigelb> I mean India's *GOT* to be cheaper than elsewhere <czajkowski> theos: I think there could be a problem sending that many to india going by past expereince with customs <theos> jussi, the cds will be distributed. 1 cd per student will be the aim <jussi> theos: I really suggest at minimum completing the special request form. <nigelb> czajkowski: I was getting there :) <nigelb> theos: There is always issues with customs, but like jussi says, doesn't hurt to try. <theos> yes i requested there. :D just in case they reject it. i wanted another option <jussi> theos: also, when is this conference? <theos> or if i could get the printed blank cds. we can burn them <theos> jussi, its in feb this year <jussi> theos: Delivery of special requests can take from twelve to sixteen weeks. <jussi> ;) <theos> jussi, cds take 2 weeks to reach me <nigelb> theos: which conf is this? <jussi> theos: thats a copy from the ubuntu website <theos> nigelb, trying to introduce ubuntu to some college students. its new for them * jussi notes nigelb is somewhat local <nigelb> heh <doctormo> Morning all <czajkowski> intersting thing about the new gym, it's full of army men, and by god are they fit and intimidating ! <nigelb> theos: I know folks in Delhi who might be able to help you or at least give suggestions. <czajkowski> must show no fear on the threadmill! <theos> not a big conf with celebs and all :D trying to introduce ubuntu to a sect of students who will never get over m$ in life :/ <czajkowski> *threadmill <czajkowski> *treadmill <nigelb> heh <jussi> theos: the more info you can share, the more people can help you. <jussi> czajkowski: bit of a fail day today? :D <theos> jussi, hmm i dont know what to tell more :D maybe i can answer some questions if asked * jussi huggles czajkowski <czajkowski> jussi: just in from gym and I've 8 windows of pms from loco teams with issues. nest person that says the lococouncil doesnt help them needs to see my emails :) <jussi> czajkowski: I noted a blogpost on planet that was very positive about you peoples :=) <jcastro> czajkowski: all in favor of blaming paultag, say aye <jcastro> aye <czajkowski> oh there was a lot of sarcasim behind that <theos> yeah and one more thing, cds with old versions of ubuntu will be fine too <czajkowski> AYE! * jussi has about 30 or so 10.04 kubuntu CD's still <theos> :3 <czajkowski> jussi: nobody uses Kubuntu :p bar you and darkwingduck <theos> that reminds me i forgot to do gym today :/ <jussi> AHEM!!! <czajkowski> jussi: oh shrup you saw the :p * jussi huggles poor riddell and scottk <jussi> czajkowski: come on there are 5 of us - also shadeslayer :P <jussi> *G* <nigelb> jussi: yes, about 5 people use kUbuntu :p <theos> :) <theos> i friend uses kubuntu too * jussi mutes nigelb and czajkowski :P <nigelb> oh, we're up to 6 now :p <theos> he cant use internet on it though :/ <theos> what do they of old versions when newer versions come? <theos> the cds i mean <doctormo> hmm a threadmill, excellent! I have an idea. <daker> Yay just fixed my first bug on SC bug 632770 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 632770 in software-center (Ubuntu) "translator-credits missing in .pot and no button in About menu to show translator (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/632770 <nigelb> *treadmill <theos> great!! <dpm> well done daker! :) <daker> ;) <jcastro> hmm only like 5 packages to update in natty this morning, certainly doesn't feel mondayish <JFo> jcastro, it is a UK holiday... that may have helped <jcastro> yeah <czajkowski> no work till tomorrow :D * czajkowski really would love to move to Boston to live after watching The Town. Love the accent! <theos> thanks for helping :) <doctormo> Because sensible countries carry forward their holidays. <doctormo> czajkowski: Yes, but could you stand coming to Ubuntu meetings with me ;-) <czajkowski> doctormo: I've no problem at all with coming to any meeting with you doctormo <doctormo> czajkowski: :-) thanks, you get taffy for doing the monthly report. <doctormo> you/you'd <doctormo> czajkowski: I've been asking ubuntu members about reporting bugs, could you spare 5 mins for me? <czajkowski> doctormo: I'm just on a call now and then going to cook some food would in an hour or so be ok ? <doctormo> sure, just ping me. <czajkowski> or later on this evening I'm online for the rest of the day <czajkowski> ok <jussi> doctormo: Ive 5 mins if you want? <doctormo> jussi: I will pm you <jono> hey everyone! :-) <kim0> jono: woohoo <jcastro> hi2u! <jono> heya kim0, jcastro! <jono> welcome back :-) <jono> kim0, about ready for our first call of 2011? <kim0> jono: yep I am <jcastro> it's a trap! <kim0> hehee <jono> kim0, one sec <dpm> happy new year jono and jcastro! <dpm> and to everyone else I haven't wished it too since this morning! <jcastro> heh <jono> heya dpm! <doctormo> jono: Welcome back! <nigelb> oh, jono's back <jono> doctormo, nigelb thanks! <jono> brb phone <doctormo> pro-tip, disconnect phone for peace. <doctormo> I did it over christmas and got a rewrite of inkscape's barcode modules done. <nigelb> even more pro-tip ==> get off IRC for best efficiency. <nigelb> ;) <czajkowski> doctormo: am back now if you still need a hand <jcastro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36UZdRPDhtQ <jcastro> jono: can this be our official soundtrack? ^ <czajkowski> jono: ello ello welcome back <jono> jcastro, lol <jono> czajkowski, howdy! <czajkowski> jcastro: how do you find these clips! <jcastro> someone sent it to me just now <jcastro> usually I hate being bothered on monday mornings <jcastro> but in this case .... <czajkowski> heh <czajkowski> it's not bad to be fair <czajkowski> jono: apologies but you've mail from me just to keep you in zee lopp <czajkowski> *loop <jono> czajkowski, no worries <jcastro> kim0: man dude, your retweeting on the ubuntu cloud stuff is impressive, it's been flooding my reader all day <czajkowski> can someone suggest kenvandine for the hall of fame please <czajkowski> the man has a patience of a saint! <jcastro> czajkowski: he's trained well (he's always my uds/sprint roomate) <jcastro> jono: I can go early today if you'd like <jono> jcastro, cool, let's go in 15 or so <jcastro> \o/ <jcastro> now that daniel isn't here he can't crash skype <czajkowski> jcastro: *grin* <czajkowski> jcastro: I have a way of breaking gwibber and him looking rather puzzled, he feckin' rocks <jono> jcastro, haha <jono> jcastro, wrapping a mail and then ready <jcastro> no worries <jono> jcastro, all set <jcastro> yep <jcastro> jono: argh! <jcastro> one sec <jcastro> forgot to plug in the stupid mic <jcastro> "two ticks" <jcastro> jono: oh, forgot to mention. On the DVD, "Tornado of Souls". His solo on there. It's. Man .... man. <jcastro> did it come with a matching music CD? <jono> jcastro, yeah, was awesome - no I just got the blue ray <doctormo> jono: I wanted to say that I appreciated your blog post. <czajkowski> jono: your dad has such English wit! It's rather hilarious to see the stuff he comes out with! <jono> czajkowski, yeah he is pretty funny :) <czajkowski> jono: where did he get you from :p <jono> czajkowski, lol <czajkowski> jono: ah see you get my sense of humour and know I jest :) *hugs* <jono> :) <doctormo> czajkowski: When/where did you get to see jono-senior? <nisshh> doctormo, he is on twitter/identica <pleia2> czajkowski: I can't wait to see your neckbeard! <pleia2> :D <czajkowski> that guy comes out with some doozies <pleia2> hehe <czajkowski> I cant help but laugh <czajkowski> pleia2: plus I still find the neckbeard thingy rather amusing <czajkowski> don't think my legs are going to talk to me for days after the gym today. <czajkowski> :S <doctormo> what is a neck beard? <czajkowski> letmegooglethisforyou http://www.google.ie/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=neck+beard&btnG=Google+Search <nisshh> czajkowski, ive never understood why people think going to the gym is any better than doing exercise normally <nisshh> i mean, i dont need some silly structured workout to get me all toned <pleia2> do people think that? <nisshh> pleia2, not sure, thats why i assume people go to gyms :) <nisshh> to get all 'toned' :| <pleia2> a structured workout is silly for everyone <nisshh> exactly <pleia2> err, is NOT <nisshh> lol, fail <pleia2> I can think of 1000 excuses not to ride my bike every day (traffic due to $event, weather, etc) <pleia2> but the gym is open every day, I can keep up with it, no excuses <nisshh> meh <nisshh> pleia2, i do exercise when i feel like it, ive gone for a 10km run in the rain, sun, etc <pleia2> certainly I'd prefer it if I could be active enough without a structured regimen, but it doesn't work <pleia2> for me <nisshh> yeah <nisshh> pleia2, but do you feel like the only way you can get/keep fit is to go to the gym? <pleia2> I have tried other ways, I don't have the discipline <pleia2> I wish I did, I think it's a bit of a failing on my part that I require the structure of a gym <nisshh> ah yes <jono> the trick to keeping fit in my limited experience is to distract your mind from the misery that is exercise <nisshh> i guess i am motivated enough that i can do exercise when i want <jono> that is why I try to do the elliptical trainer three times a week, but I watch netflix on it <pleia2> I listen to podcasts and play tetris on my DS <pleia2> foss weekly catchup time, woo <nisshh> jono, well, something that helps me is that i am a very good runner, i won many events in long distance running when i was at school <nisshh> and i really enjoy exercise <nisshh> i think part of the fact that people dont like exercise is that it requires effort <nisshh> people find putting in effort too hard <pleia2> I have to admit that I prefer pizza and building servers to the elliptical :) <doctormo> I think the key to doing anything is routine and enjoyment, if you don't enjoy exercise at all then make sure you work 10 miles away and force yourself to cycle. <nisshh> doctormo, agreed <nisshh> pleia2, hehe <doctormo> jono, your a bit put out as your work from home and don't like exercise. I don't think the wii would help in your case. <jono> doctormo, yeah <doctormo> wow my grammar was bad in that. your/you're and your/you <nisshh> jono, your not thinking of getting a wii and playing Wii Fit Plus are you? <nisshh> that game gets you about as fit as reaching for a beer would <jono> nisshh, hah, no my wife likes some of that <jono> but she exercises a lot <nisshh> ah ok <jono> brb <doctormo> nisshh: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof! ;-) <nisshh> doctormo, i have proof, my dad hurt his back playing it :) <nisshh> doctormo, its like doing very very easy yoga stretches <nisshh> thats about it <nisshh> doctormo, try Wii Fit Plus for a week, then tell me if you feel any fitter :) <doctormo> nisshh: That's funny, I thought anything that exhausted the pants out of your for an hour was a good thing. <nisshh> heh, my dad's 51 and he can barely run 1km now <doctormo> I've been trying Wii fit for 900 days, on and off. It's keeping me better than sitting down was. <nisshh> true <doctormo> nisshh: I wonder if your appreciation is shifted because of how good you are and how good your fittness must be. <nisshh> doctormo, oh man, im not that fit, trust me :) <nisshh> ive just started doing 10km runs after doing no exercise for nearly 2 years <doctormo> nisshh: What's your sprint distance? <nisshh> you mean how far can i sprint? <doctormo> yes <nisshh> maybe 300m <nisshh> if i was lucky :) <nisshh> doctormo, i guess my appreciation is a bit shifted, but remember i am only 19, so its far easier for me to get fit quickly than it is for someone who is 30/40/50 #ubuntu-community-team 2011-01-04 <doctormo> If I tried to run 10km, I think I'd die before I got to 5km. I could probably walk 100km though. <nisshh> heh <nisshh> running is easier if you know how to do it properly (breathing right, taking the right length strides, etc) <doctormo> Ah, it's a skill no one taught me ;-) <nisshh> and people seem to think that once you get puffed out, you should stop <nisshh> but the wall exists <nisshh> doctormo, yeah, i picked it up when i was young because of all the long distance running i did <nisshh> the key is to get to the point where you fall into a rythm, everything becomes easier then and you will find you can run for ages like that <doctormo> The human animal is good at three things: running, swimming and thinking. amazing creatures. <nisshh> hehe <jcastro> jono: still there? <nigelb> Morning all. <kim0> 'elo <dpm> good morning everyone <dpm> hey kim0 <kim0> dpm: Morning mate <nigelb> hey kim0, dpm :) <kim0> nigelb: Morning man :) <dpm> morning nigelb! <nigelb> Netsplits are back. Yay. <kim0> \o/ <huats> morning <kim0> hey <daker> o/ <daker> hi popey <popey> hi <daker> just i want to say that the link is not correct => https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA <popey> in what way not correct? <popey> oops <daker> popey, http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=4&month=11&year=2011&hour=20&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 <popey> I see, fixed <kim0> daker: when are you applying :) <daker> kim0, i think it's today <popey> daker: thank you! <kim0> daker: what hour is it <daker> kim0, http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=4&month=01&year=2011&hour=20&min=0&sec=0&p1=0|January <kim0> 20UTC I see <kim0> daker: best of luck man :) <daker> kim0, thanks ã yay <jcastro> popey: there you are <jcastro> I have something to show you <popey> ya * popey goes a bit furtive <jcastro> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5720/unity-awesome-for-cli.png <jcastro> I discovered this last night <jcastro> compare to a full screen terminal you have in stock ubuntu <jcastro> you'd have another panel, AND a window decorator thing <popey> hah <popey> hmm, not quite <popey> what happens if you press f11? <jcastro> true <jcastro> but this is just maximizing an app <popey> hmmm <jcastro> basically, it's like free fullscreen with every app when you maximize <popey> you have a point <popey> i wiped unity off my laptop, it was too painful to use :( <popey> I'll reinstall later <jcastro> like, if you do gedit like this (it's doubling up the widgets right now otherwise I'd show you) it's like instant writeroom <jcastro> popey: 10.10? <popey> I have gone back to 10.10 <popey> from 11.04 <jcastro> oh? dang, it's been pretty good for me <jcastro> well, other than the huge breakage before xmas * jcastro whistles <popey> :) <kim0> I guess I'll give it a try with natty next week <jcastro> popey: ok so basically I just wanted to say that maximize is now becoming fullscreen <popey> sweet <jcastro> popey: and the fusing of the top bits into one bar is pretty awesome <jcastro> I was not convinced at first <popey> I am convinced that the top only bar is a good thing, and I like the panel on the left <popey> I am totally bought into the whole thing <popey> it's just way to unstable for me right now <jcastro> there are days ... heh. <jcastro> yesterday I used jill's LTS desktop and was like "man, so this is what it's like to have a working computer" <popey> :) <jono> morning peeps :-) <jcastro> popey: I am blogging it <jcastro> it's awesome. <popey> show more screenshots of apps full screen <jcastro> jono will appreciate it more than you, I was expecting you to get all excited <popey> chrome, banshee etc :) <popey> I am jaded <jcastro> yeah the problem is that it's hosed with with some apps <jono> jcastro, appreciate what? <jcastro> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5720/unity-awesome-for-cli.png <jcastro> maximize something in unity <jcastro> it gets all fused into the top thing, it's awesome * AlanBell updates the natty VM for some of this maximising crack <czajkowski> http://twitpic.com/3mxlvq/full Chris Kingle pressie for on my desk this morning :D <czajkowski> see the logo <jono> jcastro, ahhh yeah <czajkowski> pleia2: do the CC meet tonight? <paultag> Morning :) <czajkowski> see twas paultag fault <jcastro> http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post//maximize-is-the-new-fullscreen <jcastro> popey: jono: ^ <sense> jono: I'm currently working on a governance structure for Ubuntu NL and in the reorganised structure we will have a Community Council consisting of six members plus the Ubuntu NL Leader, and all seven people are elected by the community. However, we have troubles to determine how to determine who has the right to vote and the right of candidature. <sense> jono: Do you have good examples for a selective body that can work to select people? <sense> We've looked into using Ubuntu Membership as a criteria, but found it too limiting, also due to its English nature. <kim0> would such a maximize=full-screen behaviour block notifications <czajkowski> sense: do ye really need a council? * AlanBell isn't getting the fullscreen crackness :( <AlanBell> still got the unity bar at the side <jcastro> AlanBell: you need to turn on autohide in ccsm <jcastro> AlanBell: it will be turned on by default soon <AlanBell> oh <popey> jcastro: link to tweet? <AlanBell> oh is ccsm not going to be an instacrash option now? <sense> czajkowski: That council is the governing body, and we need it. Our activities make us seem smaller than we really are. <jcastro> http://castrojo.tumblr.com/ <jcastro> AlanBell: only click that box, anything out of the unity plugin is real sensitive right now <jcastro> sorry, I mean http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/2596623534/maximize-is-the-new-fullscreen <jono> jcastro, cool :-) <jcastro> ok from now on when I find something cool in unity I am going to blog it <jono> sense, do you really need a council for a LoCo team? <jcastro> and the haters will just have to deal <jono> it sounds like overkill to me <jono> jcastro, good man <sense> jono: We need a way to govern the community with legality/authority, and it would fit into the plans we have for a foundation. <sense> It has grown too large for informal organisation. <jono> sense, ok <czajkowski> sense: I really think a council is not a good idea sorry, I've seen it lead to nothing but trouble <jono> sense, I agree with czajkowski - I think councils are overkill and there are better ways to do it <jcastro> AlanBell: I've clarified the entry and added a link to ccsm instructions <sense> jono: What would be a better way? <sense> Dedicated people? <jono> sense, well why are you struggling with size? <jcastro> greg-g: sometimes I am glad we just do two events and drink beer. :) <jono> sense, councils typically don't serve scale better than a single or two leaders, as council's typically require quorum to make decisions <jono> councils mainly provide objectivity <jono> but I think they are too heavy for LoCo teams <jono> they are fine for large multi-sub-team communities (e.g. Ubuntu Community Council), but my hunch is that they are a bit heavy for LoCo teams <sense> The daily leadership is not in the hands of the council, but in appointed leaders. The council is for long-term discussions. The community, being Dutch, would never accept one or two leaders without something like a council. <jono> and also, pretty much every LoCo I have seen with a council gets wrapped up in bureaucracy <sense> That is indeed a danger we need to watch out for. <jono> sense, why don't dutch people like that? <jcastro> it's the land of The Hague! <czajkowski> heh <sense> jono: Because we believe we are all just as good as the other person, who just happens to have become the leader. If we wouldn't have had something better to do, we could have done the same. <sense> Everyone at least wants to have the feeling he or she is or can be heard. <jono> sense, that seems naive to me <jono> not everyone is a good leader <jono> there are many good people who are not good leaders <jono> sense, is this a cultural thing? <sense> We never had really strong leaders here, the people didn't allow leaders to have a strong character. <AlanBell> sense: would "focus groups" be a better term for long term discussions on particular topics? <greg-g> jcastro: :) <jono> sense, interesting, I never knew that <sense> AlanBell: We had that, but that didn't work out too well, because we had no rules for membership, and because a lot of people lost interest along the way. <AlanBell> people losing interest is a bigger problem if they are on a decision making body <jono> sense, the problem is that given the culture that you say in .nl, a council is likely to be riddled with bureaucracy <jono> I don't think I have ever correctly spelled "bureaucracy" without a spell-checker <czajkowski> I've seen teams have private membership which I_really_hate_to_see! <sense> We had private membership before. <jcastro> really? <sense> Which caused great unrest in the community, and vile and spite. <jono> private membership for what? <jcastro> Why would teams do private membership? <sense> All discussions took place in private, so the community's interest in the LoCo itself dwindled and mistrust grew rapidly. <jcastro> of course, a cabal is a death sentence <sense> Because people were afraid of the reactions if discussions would be held in the open. <czajkowski> jcastro: in some places, it's so they can meet the people first before they join, in other areas I've yet to get a straight answer. it's dying out, but very slowly <jono> sense, private discussions are unacceptable <jono> sense, well I recommend you continue to work with the LoCo Council and accept their recommendations <popey> uhm <sense> jono: That's what I said when I came in, and we have changed that now, but now the lack of any structure shows itself. <czajkowski> turkey and Israel used to have their meetings on a private thread in their forums which lead to a lott of trouble down the road, and again had private council/managers <popey> private discussions are totally acceptable <jono> sense, I know it is culturally unfamiliar, but I would recommend doing with the California team did and select two or three leaders <jono> preferably two * popey points to the Community Council <jono> sense, I think you would make an excellent leaders <czajkowski> popey: council V locoteam... <czajkowski> popey: even the LC has private discussions. <popey> exactly <sense> jono: Thank you, I appreciate that. :) <popey> I don't think a blanket phrase "private discussions are unacceptable" is accurate. It's more subtle than that, is all I'm saying. <czajkowski> popey: are the CC meeting tonight as we've a long list of EMEA stuff <popey> I have no idea <czajkowski> popey: I think it's in reference to locoteams tbh.. <sense> We don't plan to have all discussions out in the open, we just changed the rule from 'always private' to 'public, unless...'. <jcastro> popey: "we should default to public" :) <jono> popey, I mean't in the context of NL LoCo <popey> Yes, I know. <sense> czajkowski: How is the Irish team organised? <jono> sense, well it sounds like you are doing an excelent job <czajkowski> jcastro: indeed, except when it comes to Ubuntu councils, like the CC and LC we have stuff going on there that is definately private and sensative. <jcastro> czajkowski: sure sure, I agree <jono> and sense, if I was in the NL team I would immediately +1 as a leader <popey> bah <czajkowski> sense: ebel runs it as a point of contact, we have no team leader we share tasks out to people <popey> any team can have private discussions! <popey> private discussions are not veboten <jono> popey, I think you are getting wrapped up in one detail <popey> ok <jono> of course private discussions happen, we are talking about the general culture of a team * popey shuts up <czajkowski> sense: he refuses to be called a team leader. <jono> :-) <jcastro> popey: right, but in the scope of a loco you don't want "the public list" and then "the secret private list where the REAL people hang out." <czajkowski> sense: we have someone who admins the wiki, website and adds content to the LD and eveyrone just pitches in. <sense> jono: I'm doing my best to help with leading the team, that's all. It's rewarding to see that since the community opened up more people have started to enthusiastically contribute to the LoCo. <sense> czajkowski: So IE is an example of a very informal LoCo? <jono> sense, you have proven yourself to be an excellent and masture contributor <jono> mature <jono> I think your work in conjunction with the LoCo Council will be great <jono> and let me know if I can help <czajkowski> sense: we'll we have a monthly meeting which is chaired, and have 3 Ubuntu hours a month, plus Quiz, and Geeknicks, we're very active, but we just don't have a leader as such, but we're approved 2 years this July hopefully. <sense> jono: I sure will, thank you! <jono> sense, :-) <sense> czajkowski: I wished we would come together more often, it really helps to raise the spirit. <czajkowski> sense: you're mpore than welcome to skype me some evening if you want to chat <czajkowski> I'm free all evenings this week bar thursday and possibly this evening <czajkowski> or some evneing next week or over the weekend lauraczajkowski on skype * AlanBell spots a private discussion <czajkowski> I'll happily talk to the wall :) <czajkowski> AlanBell: shrup ya pup! * AlanBell shuts up <sense> AlanBell: private government matters! Do not WikiLeak! <sense> czajkowski: Thank you for the offer, I'll consider a bit more first and then I'll see what I can ask you! <jcastro> james_w: how do I get fully verbose logs in bzr log. Is --include-merges enough? <jcastro> james_w: I don't want to miss a single commit in any branch ever merged <jcastro> AlanBell: autohide is now on by default in trunk btw. * popey hides jcastro <popey> hmm, need a bigger screen <AlanBell> jcastro: any idea when the other options in ccsm are going to be safe to tinker with? <jcastro> AlanBell: there's some deep breakage at the moment. Next week is the platform sprint so I say 2 weeks? <jcastro> it's also the same thing causing battery life to be horrible afaict <AlanBell> great, I want to do some testing with the colorblindness filter on <jcastro> AlanBell: I have found that enabling it crashes the whole thing, then I restart and whatever I checked last works <jcastro> it's not ideal at all, heh <AlanBell> it wouldn't stay on for me, worked in classic gnome, but then forgets the settings in Unity <czajkowski> sense: no problem any time * popey tickles everyone and goes home <czajkowski> cheeky <pleia2> just a heads up everyone - lp polls are coming back <pleia2> czajkowski: yes, cc meeting this afternoon <czajkowski> pleia2: is it definately going to take place, as EMEA has a massive list again this month :s last time we finished on time for a CC meeting that never took place. <pleia2> I don't know, we at least have to show up and see if any community members have anything to bring up with us <pleia2> even if we don't have quorum we need to give the community that opportunity, even if it means we take it to the list <pleia2> sorry :\ * AlanBell suggests an EMEA meeting with an interval <czajkowski> pleia2: tis fine it's just getting a tad frustrating for us to finish and we get it in the neck for not getting through the large list for meeting that doesnt happen. Any way the CC would consider moving :) <pleia2> the CC meeting has been at that time slot for years, Mark doesn't want to change it <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA <czajkowski> pleia2: aye but he also doesn't turn up... <czajkowski> not your fault just getting a tad annoying <pleia2> it's not about him being there, it's about the established time that Has Always Been <czajkowski> fair enough. <AlanBell> where did Kate Smith go? <AlanBell> s/Smith/Stewart/ <pleia2> but I tend to agree with AlanBell, if your meeting goes over just take a break for 20 minutes to see if anything comes up with the CC <pleia2> if not you can resume <czajkowski> AlanBell: she wasn't on the EMEA board meeting, she was on the USA one <czajkowski> pleia2: bit messy, but maybe <AlanBell> ah ok <pleia2> czajkowski: honestly if the emea board keeps bumping into other meetings it should be the one to move :( <czajkowski> pleia2: this is the latest and earliest it can start for the members... any later and it's too late and tuesday is not a good time for anyone with other meetings in the month <czajkowski> it's a catch 22 tbh * AlanBell is reminded of http://www.snopes.com/military/lighthouse.asp <pleia2> no other days of the week work? <czajkowski> Tues-thursday is one of the busiest times on the Ubuntu cal looking at it <pleia2> it is a bit unfortunate that asias and emea are on the same day each month <pleia2> if you're not available that day you have to go to americas, or wait another month <czajkowski> do many EU folks go to Americas ? <pleia2> not many, I don't think people know it's an option (I told one person it was last meeting when emea had to stop) <czajkowski> Tuesday and Wednesdays are nightmare days for me in the evenings and now Thursday is turning into being one also, between conference meetings and Salsa dancing <czajkowski> there is never an optium day for everyone I do fully see that. <pleia2> this isn't the place to sort out your schedule with other members anyway, I understand that scheduling is hard, insisting that the CC move it's long-standing meeting just isn't the way to fix this <pleia2> americas used to decide a meeting time each month based on schedules, it was nice when we could all finally commit to a day but certainly isn't required <czajkowski> pleia2: oh I wasn't trying to sort out anything here, it started off asking was the CC meeting that's all. :) * pleia2 nods <pleia2> if it's on the schedule those of us around will show up :) <czajkowski> nods <pleia2> and we are working on making the meetings more useful, our problem lately has been no agenda, so it's been kinda a "community can comment" thing - but I don't think most of the community knows it's a community can comment thing <czajkowski> pleia2: nods <czajkowski> tis grand really <czajkowski> just wondered that's all <czajkowski> shall go to gym after EMEA <dpm> ok everyone, calling it a day. See you all tomorrow! <dpm> pleia2, great work with UWN btw! <dpm> and nhandler too <pleia2> dpm: thanks :) <dpm> bye! <Pici> pleia2: Do you have a moment for a pm? <pleia2> Pici: sure <Technoviking> 'allo all <Pici> Howdy <jcastro> hahaha man <jcastro> jono: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10316179&postcount=78 <jcastro> THEY KNOW ME <jono> jcastro, nice! <jcastro> I am as predictable as ... <fill in the blank> <jcastro> it's queued up to automatically post, I'm going to let the current unity one sit on top o' planet for a little longer <jcastro> in before the doctormo tentacles! * doctormo knows they're everywhere <jono> lol <doctormo> jono: How is your second day back? <jono> doctormo, good thanks :-) <jono> hows things there? <doctormo> jono: Practicing the keyboard, all good otherwise. Got a bit of writers block over the progress indicator. <jono> doctormo, gotcha <jcastro> I suppose now would be a good time to get lunch <jcastro> <--- on a taco run <jono> jcastro, do it <doctormo> jono: What are you working on? <jono> doctormo, just responding to email <doctormo> Heh, more email. <jono> doctormo, you? <doctormo> Writing python code. <jono> cool :) <jcastro> ok I was held up <jcastro> NOW I am going for tecos <jcastro> tacos even <jcastro> man, what a day <Technoviking> Unity stop making me sad <jcastro> I will be happy when this week's upload smoothes out stuff <jcastro> Technoviking: every once in a while I do a "unity --reset" <jcastro> when things go south <Technoviking> jcastro: thank will try that <Technoviking> much better, thank you sir <jcastro> hmm, dholbach is apparently online somewhere triaging community bugs <nigelb> jcastro: and uploading photos <nigelb> and facebooking <daker> kim0, you there ? <kim0> daker: yeah <kim0> daker: r u on now <daker> not yet ã maybe in 30min or less <pleia2> Technoviking, popey, thoughts on CC meeting in 22 minutes? nothing on the agenda again, I figure we just show up and see if anyone has anything, if not we let EMEA get back to their meeting <popey> sure <popey> I'm easy given I'm sat here already <pleia2> :) <czajkowski> popey: shouldn't tell folks how easy you are! :p <popey> i have a laptop, telly and wine <czajkowski> just in thedoor housemate collected me as train ran late <pleia2> hey, I deserve some easy! it's been a rough few weeks :) <daker> kim0, now <czajkowski> pleia2: *HUGS* <pleia2> hugs! <pleia2> :) <czajkowski> that or a bagel and peanutbutter and mug of tea <czajkowski> take your pic <popey> pleia2: nice work on UWN this month! <popey> s/this/last <czajkowski> oh we may actually finish on time,... <pleia2> thanks :) <popey> tick tock tick tock <czajkowski> and in the nick of time battery about to die <czajkowski> clearly not my smartest move, told the motership I was going to spain, she's now cancled her english trip and coming with me to spain. so much for peace and quiet <popey> hahaha * czajkowski steals popey bottle of wine <JFo> oooh, that reminds me that I have wine. :-) * JFo goes to pop open a bottle * czajkowski steals JFo wine <jcastro> Dan, get your knife * popey hugs pleia2 * pleia2 hugs popey #ubuntu-community-team 2011-01-05 <james_w> jcastro, --include-merges should be enough I think. I believe -n0 means the same thing, but is what I usually type <jcastro> awesome, thanks <jcastro> it turns out my discrepancy was elsewhere <jcastro> the commit was in unity(ubuntu) not upstream <jcastro> which confused me for a minute <akgraner> JFo, ping-a-ling <nigelb> omg. akgraner on irc. <nigelb> ;) <akgraner> nigelb, :-) yep - I am working back into community stuff s-l-o-w-l-y! <nigelb> :-) <akgraner> JFo and I even recorded a test podcast yesterday... we were testing the new mics and mixing board and stuffs <nigelb> \o/ <JFo> akgraner, pong <akgraner> JFo can you send me the test cast from yesterday? <akgraner> if it's too large of a file - I can just get it tomorrow afternoon <JFo> let me see how big it is <JFo> mp3 is 25+Mb <JFo> wav is certainly bigger <JFo> 63.4Gb for the wav <JFo> akgraner, ^^ <akgraner> ahhh ok - no worries - I just realized what time it is - I won't get to it tonight anyway... <nigelb> hehe <dholbach> good morning <nigelb> welcome back dholbach :) <dholbach> hi nigelb <dholbach> thanks <czajkowski> dholbach: WELCOME BACK <dholbach> czajkowski, THANK YOU! :) * dholbach hugs czajkowski * czajkowski hugs dholbach <dpm> good morning all! <dholbach> hola dpm <dholbach> happy new year! <dholbach> Â¿como estas? <dpm> dholbach, frohes neues Jahr! <dholbach> dpm, DANKE! :) * kim0 hugs dholbach <kim0> dholbach: welcome back man :) <kim0> dpm: nigelb howdy * dholbach hugs kim0 back <dpm> heya kim0! <dholbach> kim0, how are you doing achi? how was your start into the new year? <kim0> hey <kim0> dholbach: hehe .. all is going good <kim0> dholbach: I've already seen the pics .. looks like it was quite a change for you <dholbach> kim0, you mean temperature-wise? :) <kim0> hehe everything wise :) <dholbach> kim0, I felt quite at home there :) <kim0> dholbach: you can retire in the middle east I guess :) <dholbach> kim0, I don't know - let's see about that :) <kim0> Hawaii suits me fine though <dholbach> there's still quite a bit of time until I retire :) <dholbach> ok, I just upgraded to natty - let's see if the experiment is successful - brb (insha'allah) <nigelb> hey kim0, dpm :) <kim0> o/ <kim0> dholbach: how's the upgrade ? on unity too ? <dholbach> kim0, yeah, unity is running, but the indicators don't work <dholbach> and gksu seems to make the desktop unhappy <dholbach> but for the sprint I thought I'd better upgrade and whine if something doesn't work :) <nigelb> hehe <kim0> yeah :) always a good strategy hehe <dpm> hi nigelb :) <nigelb> o/ <daker> good morning <dholbach> hey daker <nigelb> daker: congrats :) <daker> thanks nigelb ã <daker> hi dholbach <kim0> daker congrats man \o/ woooohooo <daker> kim0, woo <kim0> hehe <daker> kim0, that was very easy <kim0> just because you're so good :) <daker> maybe who knows ã <czajkowski> daker: if only every application was that easy, unfortunately it's not <czajkowski> yay Planet is onw readable again for me, no more text going over text if it has a link in it <jussi> czajkowski: ooh, I hope I get the same when I update tonight <czajkowski> shouldnt need to update <czajkowski> they just removed a line of code so it now renders better <designduane> hello all <jcastro> omg, an evil doppleganger <jcastro> do you have a goatee? <nigelb> heh * JFo gets his knife <jcastro> http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE7033SI20110104 <jcastro> popey: AlanBell: you guys are letting me down <popey> hmm? <nigelb> jcastro: lol <popey> hahaha <popey> cobblers <nigelb> popey: hey, were you able to find freee time for video of snow pictures :) <popey> yeah, i have loads of video, its just not very interesting to watch <czajkowski> hmm every image or document I save to my desktop I can't open keeps giving me an error of not able to open <dholbach> hey jono <jono> hey dholbach :-) <jono> dholbach, dpm, jcastro, kim0 just wrapping making a coffee and then ready to roll <jcastro> no worries <jcastro> I LOVE CAKE <kim0> trying to fix my line .. <jcastro> heh, post-holiday "I forgot which speakers are plugged in" happened to me <nigelb> jcastro: A few months down the line, you're probably going to hug me. <nigelb> (working on summit :p) * jcastro points at Daviey <jcastro> summit is Daviey's now, didn't you hear? <jcastro> if you didn't, now you know, and you should tell everyone <jcastro> >_> <nigelb> lol <jcastro> <_< <nigelb> I'm working on it now :) <nigelb> jcastro: btw, he's still on vacation? <jcastro> probably at the pub having a pint ... <jcastro> I mean, a schooner <huats> jcastro, +1 <huats> :) <jcastro> hi huats! <nigelb> haha <huats> (and happy new year my friend jcastro) <jono> dholbach, dpm, jcastro, kim0 let's roll <jono> on mumble <jono> let's try it <jcastro> ! <jcastro> ok, one sec <jono> dholbach, ready? <Technoviking> Down to 6 Windows server in my office, replace 30 Windows server in the last 2 years with 10 different Ubuntu or RHEL server <AlanBell> jcastro: can't see us moving to little baby aussie pints <Technoviking> woot! <dholbach> jono, yes <kim0> Technoviking: woohoo :) * kim0 hates windows servers with a passion <jono> dholbach, what are you doing? <dholbach> jono, waiting for our team call to start? <jono> dholbach, we are on mumble <dpm> dholbach, on mumble <Technoviking> alias still can't find a good alternative for Microsoft SharePoint <dholbach> sorry, I must have had a disconnect when you guys started - just a sec <jono> <jono> dholbach, dpm, jcastro, kim0 let's roll <jono> on mumble <jono> let's try it <jono> :-) <jcastro> he's avoiding work! <AlanBell> Technoviking: checked Alfresco? <Technoviking> no <Technoviking> will now:) <nigelb> AlanBell: I was about to suggest that :) <kim0> yeah Alfresco is about the best there is <jcastro> dholbach: ever see http://www.openstv.org/ <dholbach> jcastro, no, no idea about any of the voting stuff <jcastro> dholbach: check it out, it's mako approved <dholbach> jcastro, it's weird that he never mentioned it <jcastro> hmm, so was it him, or mini-mako? <jcastro> greg-g: did you ever mention openstv to me? <jcastro> dholbach: anyway, I've heard good things about it, and it's in the archive <dholbach> ah ok <czajkowski> mini mako ? <JFo> sort of like a doctor evil clone but smaller <AlanBell> is the returning launchpad voting going to be as it was before, or something awesome instead? <JFo> :) <czajkowski> JFo: bad bad JFo <JFo> :-D <jcastro> kim0: I forgot to tell you I am returning my boxee, the experiment is over. XBMC ftw. <kim0> jcastro: Yeah I've read ur tweet! <kim0> jcastro: surprised you didn't like it <kim0> why is that <jcastro> too slow and buggy. :( <jcastro> I wanted to love it <kim0> considering it's a xbmc fork .. how bad could they really have made it :) <jcastro> I think that's what everyone thought <jcastro> I got an ion box coming in around my EOD, so I guess we know what I'm doing tonight <kim0> xbmc ftw :) <jcastro> I set it up all centralized on my server <jcastro> so you can pause downstairs, walk upstairs, and resume <dholbach_> ok my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow! * dholbach_ hugs you all <kim0> jcastro: can xbmc do that <jcastro> but you just got here! <jcastro> kim0: yep, I just found out about it * kim0 hugs dholbach_ back :) <kim0> jcastro: link plz <jcastro> http://lifehacker.com/5634515/how-to-synchronize-your-xbmc-media-center-across-every-room-in-the-house <jcastro> it takes about 10 minutes to do <jcastro> the long part is exporting
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