#ubuntu-ie 2011-09-01 <airurando> afternoon <muelli> hey folks. can anybody tell me the dial-up details for a eMobile 3G connection? <ebel> my meteor 3g dongle worked out of the box <muelli> ebel: hm. Do you have the APN handy? <ebel> no... <ebel> twas ages ago <ebel> ubuntu comes with a big database of loads of settings... <muelli> My connection gets dropped just after the pppd asks for configuration details. <ebel> maybe look at the source code of network manager or something? <muelli> ebel: true. But it doesn't work :-\ <czajkowski> should save them <czajkowski> I just connected phone up and it worked <muelli> ebel: well. The data comes from "mobile-provider-settings-info" or so. But it doesn't list "eMobile" as ISP. And the two available Meteor configurations don't work either. <ebel> huh <muelli> Interestingly enough, I can't connect with my phone (Nokia N900) and the predefined connections settings on the SIM card either. <slashtom> i used wvdial with dial string ATDT*98 iirc <airurando> muelli emobile provide support on twitter through @emobileireland <muelli> airurando: uh. yeah, well. I'm not into Twitter. But thanks. I found http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=69869898&postcount=58 I'll try those settings. <muelli> hm. doesn't work with the changed APN "data.eircom.ie" (was: "data.mymeteor.ie"). dammit <moylan> i found this one. http://www.techport.ie/search.php?keywords=MMS <muelli> thanks moylan. It's the very same APN which doesn't work for me. Weird. Maybe I should try to find a Windows system and try the dongle with the original software just to check whether the SIM douglassanchez@example.org. #ubuntu-ie 2011-09-02 <airurando> morning <czajkowski> airurando: howdy <czajkowski> airurando: hows things with you <airurando> hi czajkowski <airurando> not to bad and you? <czajkowski> grand <czajkowski> just having a late breakie as had to have a fasting blood test <airurando> ahhh <airurando> hence pin cushion <airurando> enjiy the brekkie <ebel> morning <ebel> czajkowski: good luck! <czajkowski> http://ticketing.southbankcentre.co.uk/find/music/gigs-contemporary/tickets/video-game-heroes-60710 going here tonight <ebel> cool <Tribaal> oh that looks like a lot of fun <czajkowski> yup <muelli> Hey folks. For anybody remembering me from yesterday (and for the logs): I found the correct APN for the eMobile SIM card. It's broadband.eircommbb.ie <ebel> cool <airurando> good stuff muelli <airurando> does anyone know how our LoCo blog feed(s) could integrate with this: <airurando> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoPortalFeeds <airurando> I don't think the planet is specific enough <airurando> thats the ubuntu-ie planet <czajkowski> nods <czajkowski> we'd need to create a feed/tag for it <airurando> czajkowski: which one you whizzkids will do it? <airurando> signing off. must put 11:10 on this thing for tomorrow <airurando> ha, just saw an indication on a tayto packet that there is an ocelot in taytopark.ie <czajkowski> :o <airurando> confirmed <airurando> http://goireland.about.com/od/wildlifezoosandparks/ig/Tayto-Park-Images/Ocelot-in-Tayto-Park.htm <airurando> this is gas <airurando> :) <infoturtle> hey all <airurando> hi infoturtle <infoturtle> one eye on the last minute of the match <airurando> did ebel say he waas going to do an online introduction to UGJ? <infoturtle> I not sure, but we talked about it in IRC at a meeting before <infoturtle> *I'm <airurando> I think we chatted about google plus hangouts <airurando> nothing concrete <airurando> If all agree it may be the way to go <airurando> I can't see ebel giving and intro at 9. <airurando> If UGJ Dublin gets up and running by 10 it will be doing well. <airurando> bad result in that match :( <infoturtle> that would be great but most likely short notice <infoturtle> ya, nearly had something at the end but no <airurando> best thing is to coordinate through this irc channel <infoturtle> ye, that can be done <airurando> I may be late also as entire family isgoing to Dub tomorrow <airurando> may be late setting off <airurando> do you know who is leading UGJ Galway <infoturtle> not at all I'm fraid <airurando> I do hope we can contact them tomorrow <infoturtle> One of em may pop in, in the morning just to touch base <infoturtle> I'll check the sign up's and see if I know anyone <airurando> aye <airurando> I'll join the #091labs channel tomorrow also <infoturtle> that may be best <airurando> evening ebel <ebel> evening <airurando> infoturtle thought there was going to be a screen cast from Dublin at 9am tomorrow <airurando> I said that that was news to me <ebel> 9am? i'll be there at 10 * ebel doesn't like mornings :P <ebel> we'd all talked about web cast, we might do it <airurando> aye, best to co-ordinate things from within this IRC channel. * airurando might be late to TOG <infoturtle> ebel I prob won't be on till 10 either but a sexy webcast sounds the snazz alright <ebel> âº <airurando> hi trevorpower <airurando> chat to you all again tomorrow. <airurando> night all #ubuntu-ie 2011-09-03 <ebel> Greetings from Dublin <slashtom> morning from the dublin globaljam <infoturtle> huzzar <infoturtle> hello all!! <trevorpower> hello <slashtom> good morning, we have lattes :P <infoturtle> oooooooo <infoturtle> I can cans of cheap shit I got in lidl <infoturtle> not as fancy <airurando> morning <slashtom> good morning airurando <airurando> anyone in here from the jams in Limerick or Galway? <trevorpower> We're here in Limerick <ebel> hello <ebel> our website seems down... <airurando> hello trevorpower <airurando> I presume infoturtle is with you also <airurando> trevorpower: do you know who is running the jam in Galway? <trevorpower> No <infoturtle> hey all <infoturtle> ya I'm here airurando, just testing 11.10 beta <ebel> infoturtle: was it you and thethomaseffect who said you'd like to be web master? <infoturtle> I did say, some time back yes, don't know who is on it now <ebel> no-one is on it now :P <infoturtle> oh dear, and it's down you say? <ebel> you were asking for DNS name change? I can contact canonical to do it. <infoturtle> on a side note, we're having trouble getting getting the unity pack here, how do you get packages <infoturtle> ebel, that wasn't me <infoturtle> there was talk about it but I didn't ask for it <ebel> ah ok * ebel is getting confused with names <infoturtle> I know, we should talk this over at the next meeting and have one go to guy for it <ebel> i have emailed canonical hosting to tell them that our website is down <infoturtle> ebel, do you know how we can get the unity package to work on a bug? <infoturtle> cool, let us know what they say about it <ebel> what unity package? <ebel> do you want the source code? * ebel tries to get empathy working with video char <ebel> *chat <infoturtle> ha ha, I'm not sure, the bug says it is on the unity package but that would seem a bit big to work on <ebel> airurando1 is going to try <ebel> huh <ebel> apparently ye/someone did it all ready <infoturtle> ya, I just nabbed it, it won't work for trevorpower for some reason but I can get it using the same command <ebel> this the unity thing? <ebel> you know anything about the website? <ebel> we're looking at it now <airurando1> infoturtle: do you know anything about the new.ubuntu-ie.org on the blacknight account? <czajkowski> aloha <czajkowski> hows folks <slashtom> hey cztab <czajkowski> slashtom: hey <czajkowski> ebel: did you report the ubuntu-ie.org down in a RT ? <ebel> czajkowski: yes <ebel> no reply yet <czajkowski> cant see any vanguard on <czajkowski> ts the weekend <czajkowski> will just have a look for the number <czajkowski> and see if I cna go and poke someone <czajkowski> ebel: did you do it via email or logging into RT.u.c ? <ebel> email <ebel> i have a ticket number <czajkowski> oh whats the number please ? <ebel> #17848 <czajkowski> cheers <czajkowski> how's ye <ebel> eh, grand <ebel> only me slashtom and airurando here in dublin <ebel> you? <czajkowski> here working oneiric in the apt <czajkowski> no global jams in the UK <ebel> you haven't set one up? :P <czajkowski> not my call <czajkowski> AlanBell: area not mine <AlanBell> I am at a family thing, anyone could habe done one, nobody did <czajkowski> indeed <thethomaseffect> ebel: ping! <ebel> thethomaseffect: pong <thethomaseffect> ebel: Are we ready to move to the blacknight hosting yet? :) <ebel> thethomaseffect: well, me and airurando were looking at it <ebel> drupal is installed and partially configured on the blacknight hosting <ebel> as new.ubuntu-ie.org <ebel> and we were wondering about that <ebel> do you know anything about that? <thethomaseffect> That partial install would have been me <thethomaseffect> but I was using the direct path at the time <ebel> we were looking at it by editing our /etc/hosts, however only the front page works. <thethomaseffect> there was some wierd issues, html test page loaded fine, but not php ones for drupal <thethomaseffect> So I said I'd wait until domain was setup <ebel> have you changed your /etc/hosts file? that'd be like changing the domain just for you? <thethomaseffect> Nope <thethomaseffect> I have my own douglassanchez@example.org now <ebel> cool <thethomaseffect> So if infoturtle is up for it I can start on new site, then once domain has been repointed I can use the migration addon to move everything over <ebel> we looked at the drupal on the blacknight thing and you can't click on any of the links <thethomaseffect> can't install addons on current hosting unfortunetly :( <thethomaseffect> yeah forget about that <thethomaseffect> would need a fresh install once domain is setup <thethomaseffect> It's a blacknight thing I think, php isn't running because there's no damain maybe <ebel> see, we didn't really know what to do with the drupal install there. <ebel> we didn't want to delete it without telling you, but it sounds like you'd be OK with deleting what's there. <thethomaseffect> Yeah go ahead <ebel> PHP is running, there's no way for a hosting company to know (a) what domain you are going to use on a hosting plan and (b) what the DNS for it is pointing to. <thethomaseffect> Also, I suggested before moving to wordpress? <ebel> Since the DNS resolving is done on the client (web browser) end. <thethomaseffect> easier to maintain if everyone was cool with it <thethomaseffect> ebel: Networking ain't my strongest point :) <ebel> :) <ebel> You should be able to change you /etc/hosts file to point to the blacknight hosting, and that should be as if the domain has been repointed <ebel> and it should all Just Work for you. <thethomaseffect> on windows right now <ebel> well, what do you want to do with the website? Do you still want to/have the time to do the website. <ebel> Cause airurando can be a fallback if needed. <thethomaseffect> Yes and yes <ebel> If you're still cool with doing it, then we can sort out the DNS <thethomaseffect> not that I'll get mad if airurando want to do it <thethomaseffect> I'd just rather get the DNS sorted since the site isn't much work besides <ebel> grand, i'll contact canonical to change the DNS, and I can leave the rest up to you? <thethomaseffect> and it's down now anyways :P <ebel> yeah, I've contacted canonical about it being down. <thethomaseffect> Ah grand <ebel> windows has a /etc/hosts file :P http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosts_(file) <thethomaseffect> Only problem I can think of is I'm going up to my new house for college on Monday and might be offline for a new days <ebel> Being able to 'pretend' that a website is live is great for doing web development. <thethomaseffect> but I should be able use computers in college <thethomaseffect> which is 5 mins away <thethomaseffect> heheh <czajkowski> ebel: I've not sent that mail to RT re the website <czajkowski> any ide awhen I can send it ? <ebel> You're not going to have a laptop/internet access ? How will you cope? :P <thethomaseffect> I know right? :) <slashtom> 3G dongle, android tethering? <thethomaseffect> Oh yeah, I have my android :P <ebel> czajkowski: well looks like you'd be good to send it now? right thethomaseffect? <thethomaseffect> That's be great with me <thethomaseffect> that'd* even <ebel> send czajkowski, send! <czajkowski> ok <czajkowski> senting now <thethomaseffect> Why does this chan have no ops? <czajkowski> thethomaseffect: we do <czajkowski> but it's impolite to be opped up when not needed <czajkowski> just an ubuntu politeness <thethomaseffect> Ah ok :) <ebel> you can see who has ops on a channel in freenode by talking to ChanServ <airurando> thethomaseffect: could you use drupal.org/project/udtheme-2010 as the theme for the new website <thethomaseffect> czajkowski linked some official one on the ubuntu site for loco teams but yup <thethomaseffect> that is for drupal 6, think it will work fine though <airurando> it might be the same one <airurando> but go with czajkowski s recommendation if not <airurando> afternoon trevorpower <airurando> was it just you and infoturtle in Limerick? <czajkowski> moonpie: ping <thejetset> Hey guys! :) Nice to meet some of you earlier today at TOG #ubuntu-ie 2011-09-04 <airurando> evening <slashtom> good evening, how are you? <airurando> sorry slashtom, watching TV. Good now. <airurando> and you? #ubuntu-ie 2011-09-05 <tdr112> morning all <tdr112> afternoon <tdr112> anyone know a good tool for finding memory leaks on a ubuntu server <tdr112> i have tomcat and mysql running on it <tdr112> i keep running out of ram <czajkowski> tdr112: ask in #ubuntu-server or poke Daviey in here <tdr112> thanks a good idea czajkowski <tdr112> thanks <tdr112> at the moment i dont know if its a java thing or my server set up <slashtom> tdr112: you could use munin to monitor the memory usage against time <czajkowski> tdr112: Daviey is usally nice and easy to talk to and doesnt mind being poked <tdr112> slashtom: i will give that a go <ebel> tdr112: use top (or htop) to see which is using the most memory <ebel> a "memory leak" usually means a bug in the programme that's causing it to use too much memory. <ebel> Which is different from "my programme is using too much memory" <ebel> in that case there are other potential causes (a) your server needs more ram (b) you have configured the various programmes to use too much memory, (c) you are trying to get the programmes to do too much <tdr112> ebel: to tell you the truth i am not sure if it is the code or my set up , i am just looking at top and see my ram is being eaten up <ebel> (a) can be solved with money, (b) can be solved by tweaking the settings of the various programmes (but that might cause (c)) <ebel> (c) is the hardest since you then have to change your code <ebel> tdr112: make sure it's not a case of this: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ <ebel> unused ram is wasted ram. <ebel> Linux will use ram (if possible) as a disk cache. it makes your server much faster. <ebel> Don't look at the ram usage in top to figure out how much ram you have/don't have. <ebel> Look at how much swapping is happening. <ebel> Also, if programmes are being killed by OOM (out of memory killer) then you have problems, <ebel> If there is lots of swapping then you don't have a lot of ram. <ebel> You can see how much swapping is happening with "vmstat 1" <tdr112> well must look into them , I have just been told by the boss that the server has http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ <ebel> if you see 0 for si (swap in) and 0 for so (swap out), then you are not swapping and have sufficent ram. <tdr112> New window <tdr112> Print all <tdr112> Ubuntu Memory Leak <tdr112> <tdr112> <tdr112> <tdr112> <tdr112> <tdr112> Inbox X <tdr112> ReplyReply <tdr112> More <tdr112> [Offline] Sacchi Mestry . to me, Jim, Sean, Ameen <tdr112> show details Sep 2 (3 days ago) <tdr112> Hi Jeffrey, <ebel> hehehe, copy paste job. <tdr112> Can you please check if there memory leak on Ubuntu (new POAM server). <tdr112> Regards, <tdr112> Sacchi <tdr112> Reply <tdr112> fecking hell i hate putty <tdr112> anyway thanks all i will double check it <ebel> If the server is swapping (ie run out of ram), then the load will increase, and performance will go to the dogs. <ebel> If the server is not swapping (it's not uncommon for there to be a little bit of swap used), then there is no memory problem now. <tdr112> so i should check free -m <ebel> The important thing to look at is the amount of stuff going into or out of swap. <ebel> yes "free -m" is your friend <ebel> memory leaks usually mean a bug in your code, and can be identified by you code slowly requireing more memory as time goes on, and requireing restarts <ebel> they are hard to do in the likes of java <ebel> i strongly doubt you did not find a memory leak in mysql <ebel> However your PHB might call any memory problem a 'memory leak'. <tdr112> ya , i think it will be more likly the code , i will set up a test ubuntu server and try some things on it firist <ebel> first look at the live system and see if it's using a lot of memory or swapping. if it isn't, there might be no memory problem. <ebel> 'premature optimization ...' and all that <tdr112> ebel: i use did free -m and its showing 3gb free ram <tdr112> i will ask the PHB to explain what he wants <ebel> Tell him you've looked into it, and everything is fine. <ebel> Managers like to think they are doing something. <tdr112> that does sound better <ebel> and must be seen to be doing things. <ebel> No point making work for yourself to fix problems that don't exist. :) <ebel> Welcome to the world of work. <ebel> âº <tdr112> ebel: i dont like it here :) <czajkowski> why the :) then <ebel> go back job hunting? <czajkowski> http://likeknow.com/ *sigh* really in this day and age :/ <ebel> I don't think that's a real programming site/project... since it doesn't do anything <czajkowski> indeed <czajkowski> ebel: you have mail re DNS <ebel> ah i see <czajkowski> if you need anything else just shout * ebel must digest and investigate <czajkowski> if any issues you can login into Rt.u.c and comment on the ticket #ubuntu-ie 2011-09-06 * ebel wonders how to debug problems where his mouse pointer will just stop appearing on one monitor <tdr112> you could write some thing that outputs the x/y of where the mouse is <ebel> i want the mouse pointer to appear <airurando> ebel: you about? <ebel> yo <czajkowski> aloha <czajkowski> airurando: get your wiki done <airurando> ebel, now that the website is back I was wondering if we can effect the LoCo dir blog feed from within the website. <airurando> my rudimentary understanding of the aggregrator isn't sufficient. <airurando> there is something about categories but I have no idea <czajkowski> right so in theory a categroy for loconews should be created <czajkowski> so stuff about our geeknics would be displayed <airurando> czajkowski: I know I'll get to it aoon <czajkowski> but stuff on say me driving around ireland wouldnt be <airurando> *soon <airurando> yeah, I saw how categories could be generated but I have no idea how it works <airurando> category for LoCo news? <ebel> it's all about RSS Feeds <airurando> how do blogs from the planet feed LoCo tagged material into the aggregrator LoCo News category? <ebel> We could either just have one RSS feed from our website, or try to combine some rss feeds from various members blogs into one feed <airurando> how do we generate a RSS feed for the category LoCo News <airurando> ebel <airurando> the aggregrator takes all the feeds supplied <airurando> those feeds are not LoCo specific <airurando> you explained to me how each blog can provide a specific LoCo related feed <airurando> I just can't see how these sunset feeds can be handled by the aggregrator <airurando> *subset <airurando> ebel if possible I like the idea of trying to combine some rss feeds from various members blogs into oneLoCo News feed <airurando> each blog generate a LoCo category and supply the feed for that. <ebel> you'd need another aggregator <ebel> and you'd need everyone's blog to generate a separate rss feed per tag <ebel> I'd be suprised if a lot of blogs didn't have this functionality <ebel> e.g. here's the feed URL for czajkowski's "Ubuntu-ie" tag: http://www.lczajkowski.com/category/ubuntu/ubuntu-ie-ubuntu/feed/ <ebel> So every blog author will pick their tag that's meaninglyful and we'd use that in the new aggregator <ebel> that'll then aggregate those feeds into 1 ubuntu-ie feed <airurando> Yeah, I get that part (I Think :)) <airurando> I was just wondering whether or no we could do if from within the current drupal website <ebel> maybe <ebel> if you can create an extra aggregator, then maybe you can <ebel> ** if you can create an extra aggregator, then you can. <airurando> I just don't see how that can be done <airurando> any ideas for an external, open souce, security sensitive, reliable alternative? <ebel> not really... <airurando> ok <airurando> other alternatives <airurando> anyone with experience of yahoo pipes? <airurando> yahoo pipes ticks the reliable box. <ebel> no experience... <airurando> agenda item for the September meeting methinks. #ubuntu-ie 2011-09-07 <czajkowski> moonpie: ping <dumb1224> hi <dumb1224> i'm new to irc and this channel <dumb1224> can I ask question about my nvidia binary driver? #ubuntu-ie 2011-09-08 * czajkowski does the I GOT A JOB DANCE <slashtom> well done! <ebel> czajkowski: Congratulations! <slashtom> what's the job? <czajkowski> project manager ealing with develoeprs getting stuff in on time <czajkowski> for codegent.com <czajkowski> 4 month contract <czajkowski> but means back working <czajkowski> better salary than last job and dublin job <czajkowski> so happy <slashtom> deadly <czajkowski> yeah <czajkowski> :) <slashtom> in london still? <czajkowski> clapham common <czajkowski> so 20 min on the northern line from here straight out <slashtom> shame, we want you back in dublin <slashtom> :) <ebel> cool cool <czajkowski> heh <tdr112> great stuff czajkowski <czajkowski> thanks <slashtom> tdr112: any news with your job situation? <tdr112> my boss is coming back tomorrow , so i hope no more late nights <slashtom> grand, you must remind him that developers are scarce and that there are plenty of other opportunities available <czajkowski> tdr112: whats the issue with the job ? <tdr112> czajkowski: lots of late nights , very late nights , and all nights <czajkowski> tdr112: ahhh so not goo <czajkowski> good <czajkowski> is it a start up company or something <tdr112> na its just a small place 4 people <czajkowski> http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/09/08/rwc-warning/ You have all been warned <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoPortalFeeds #ubuntu-ie 2011-09-09 <czajkowski> Aloha <tdr112> morning <tdr112> czajkowski: when do you start <czajkowski> hows ye <czajkowski> wednesday <tdr112> nice to have a few days off <tdr112> busy <czajkowski> writing up a user manual for a mates site <czajkowski> should take about 3 weeks <czajkowski> trying to get it done in 10 days <tdr112> busy so <ebel> busy busy <czajkowski> yeah <czajkowski> and add to that rugby just started <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoPortalFeeds that link should help ye folks <czajkowski> airurando: ebel ^^ <slashtom> does anyone know best to filter out tweets containing a certain hashtag? <czajkowski> tweet deck does it <czajkowski> or just unfollow me <slashtom> oh, how? <czajkowski> not sure I dont use it to block #tags sorry <slashtom> i like following you, but just don't care about the rugby world cup (except for how namibia do) <czajkowski> but I really dont mind people unfollowing me did a blog post and all about it <tdr112> can we ban you from irc :) <czajkowski> eh no <ebel> it's ok, we accept that czajkowski is a rugby nut <airurando> czajkowski: thanks for the link. Saw that. <airurando> I still don't see how our planet can be integrated with that. <airurando> our planet covers a wide array of topics <airurando> I reckon we'll need new loco category specific feeds from all blogs <airurando> and then some jiggery pokery to mass all those into one feed for the portalfeed <airurando> @mash <meetingology> airurando: Error: "mash" is not a valid command. <airurando> *mash <airurando> tdr112 do you have any idea how we could do that. <ebel> @help <meetingology> ebel: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. <ebel> fancy <ebel> @help lolcat <meetingology> ebel: Error: There is no command "lolcat". <ebel> :( <czajkowski> airurando: evryone is in the same boat <ebel> @help rugby <meetingology> ebel: Error: There is no command "rugby". <czajkowski> they just create a category <czajkowski> and done <ebel> @help coffee <meetingology> ebel: Error: There is no command "coffee". <ebel> :( <ebel> @help help <meetingology> ebel: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. <ebel> @help help help <meetingology> ebel: Error: There is no command "help help". <czajkowski> !help <lubotu3> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) <ebel> @help !help <meetingology> ebel: Error: There is no command "!help". <ebel> !help @help <ebel> Bah, thought we could get both bots to talk to each other. Twould be funny. <ebel> (Until they become self-aware and try to destroy us obviously) <airurando> czajkowski aye indeed but there must be a way and some of the hot shots in here should be able to pull it off <airurando> its just beyond me <airurando> can we host a second aggregrator on our website? <czajkowski> airurando: why make it hard, just mail to the lists, if they'd like their blog on the LD, to create a category for the feed and put it on the wiki <airurando> so it doesn't have to be a single feed for each LoCo? <czajkowski> nope <czajkowski> we can have one from anyone in here <czajkowski> and you don't have to be an Ubuntu member <czajkowski> it's from the team which is approved <airurando> Ah, I misunderstood. I'll mail the list about that <czajkowski> airurando: if you look at the lsit some folks have 2 feeds for their teams from different members <czajkowski> the LC has to approve all feeds <airurando> right oh :) <czajkowski> :) <ebel> that makes things easier <ebel> thanks czajkowski <czajkowski> np <czajkowski> :) <czajkowski> I aim to make your lives as easy as mine <czajkowski> and mine is complicated <airurando> czajkowski: I forgot... read the logs this am. heartiest congrats on the new job. <czajkowski> thank you <czajkowski> start on wednesday <airurando> best of luck with it <czajkowski> Thanks #ubuntu-ie 2011-09-10 <airurando> morning <airurando> afternoon #ubuntu-ie 2011-09-11 <Mongey> Long shot, but has anyone canceled Eircom before? <airurando> evening <czajkowski> airurando: howdy <airurando> hi czajkowski <airurando> enjoying rwc? <czajkowski> YES :D #ubuntu-ie 2011-09-12 <czajkowski> dates are out for FOSDEM 4&5th February <slashtom> cztab: is that still in brussels? <czajkowski> always is <czajkowski> never moves <ebel> fosdem is always i brussels i think <fagan> always in brussels thats a bit prohibative for everyone else <czajkowski> fagan: not really <czajkowski> it's their event <czajkowski> FOSDEM now in it's what 12/13th year <slashtom> fagan: how's the job search going? <fagan> slashtom: well im on trial at a web dev place in carlow called t2 <fagan> first day today <slashtom> good stuff, hope it works out well <fagan> slashtom: yeah me too the place seems nice :) <czajkowski> fagan: oh finished at canonical ? <fagan> czajkowski: yep 2 weeks ago at the end of my internship <fagan> czajkowski: couldnt really find a full time place <czajkowski> didnt look at any of the current jobs they have ? <czajkowski> you're dev right, lotta dev roles <fagan> czajkowski: yeah most of them are experienced roles <fagan> czajkowski: so like 3 years + min <ebel> fagan: congrats on job. <ebel> And (this goes for everyone here), apply for tech jobs even if you don't meet the requirements. <czajkowski> indeed <ebel> companies are usually desparate and can ignore them. Especially small companies. <czajkowski> I'm starting one I've never done before <czajkowski> on wednesday <fagan> czajkowski: yeah what im doing is php ive never written a line <fagan> its easy enough though <ebel> also, more tech jobs in dublin. <fagan> ebel: yeah I was thinking I might have to move <fagan> but dont have to at least not yet <ebel> carlow ain't far. ireland is small. i know someone who commuted from kilkenny to dublin for a while (but i wouldn't recommend it) <fagan> ebel: yeah but if you think about time spent communiting I wouldnt really love that <czajkowski> and it works out more expensive unless you own your own transport <czajkowski> and even then <ebel> yeah, you shouldn't commute that long. <czajkowski> ebel: going to UDS ? <BenChapman> Morning people :) This channel is busy now :O <ebel> i'm just saying it's not like you have to emmigrate to america and never see you friend/family again âº <slashtom> but the craic is mighty in dublin <slashtom> what's UDS? <ebel> czajkowski: erm, hadn't planned on it really... or occured to me <fagan> BenChapman: I dont think ive met you yet :) <ebel> slashtom: UDS = ubuntu developer summit <BenChapman> fagan: Probably not... though I was thejetset until this morning :) <ebel> slashtom: big week long ubuntu conference & meeting with people who make ubuntu <fagan> ebel: yeah I was thinking of moving out of the country too <czajkowski> bah <slashtom> ok, ebel is out of holidays though - damn .au visit <czajkowski> meant fagan going to UDS <fagan> czajkowski: nope not this one probably the next one. Needed to focus on making some money first. <slashtom> fagan: you realise that ireland is one of the best places in europe for tech jobs? <fagan> slashtom: well its still less than the US so I was keeping my options open <slashtom> if you want to say goodbye to employee rights etc <czajkowski> fagan: oh I thought you would have applied given working there for the last while <fagan> czajkowski: nope didnt but said id try get to the next one <czajkowski> cool <tdr112> fagan: how did your internship go overall <czajkowski> fagan: possibly on day 1 you really shouldn't be on IRC you know <fagan> tdr112: good good had a load of fun and learned a lot so was a good success <fagan> and was helpful so that was an extra bonus <fagan> czajkowski: yeah its on in the background not really distracting <tdr112> fagan: good to hear , what sort of dev did they have you doing <fagan> tdr112: well I was more doing the testing and some code review and all that <fagan> everyone was pretty busy so I was doing a good bit of smoothing of what they were doing as much as I could <czajkowski> ebel: did you get on ok with the hosting issue ? <tdr112> fagan: good stuff , i would like to learn more about testing some time <czajkowski> tdr112: follow the ubuntu friendly program <ebel> ah..... <ebel> haven't look at that yet <czajkowski> it's well worth knowing <czajkowski> an getting involved in it <czajkowski> plus also shows people how to test <fagan> tdr112: well most of the stuff I did for testing at canonical was running them and testing in real life. The guys have tests for everything to test all of the programs so it was pretty easy to report bugs. #ubuntu-ie 2011-09-13 <slashtom> do i detect a lack of enthusiasm? http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ie/1278/detail/ <slashtom> we could do with people signing up to this one if they're going to come along, as we need to book tables <czajkowski> slashtom: harass on the ML I guess :/ <slashtom> on the mailing list? <slashtom> mike has already posted <ebel> LD has a template / html / <table> display bug <ebel> :P <slashtom> i may report to the ILUG list in a couple of weeks <slashtom> repost* <tdr112> i will sign up when i get how , i dont have my password on this laptop <tdr112> home <tdr112> that is <czajkowski> tdr112: ello hows the job this week <tdr112> ok douglassanchez@example.org these days , had to work all weekend <ebel> o_O <ebel> sounds like you're working too hard. <slashtom> tdr112: unless you're arriving into work at 11am, they're taking the piss <ebel> Remember, you're soon enough out of college that you can just pretend this never happened on your CV. <slashtom> aye, 3 months out of college... you can write off the time and nobody would think anything of it <ebel> just pretend you took a few weeks off to relax after college <ebel> and look for a new job. <ebel> tell these chancers to feck off. <ebel> If you can walk away from the bargaining table, you are in a position of strength <slashtom> aye, unless they're paying well â¬80k+ <slashtom> they're chances and really taking the piss <ebel> everyone goes through that. my ex-job was a PITA <Tribaal> hey, sorry to be jumping in, but I'll be moving to Ireland soon, and that seems like an appropriate discussion to ask this: what should I expect as "not taking the piss working hours"? :) <slashtom> yep, even yesterday i was sent a graduate job add for a position in england that wanted someone with a minimum 2:2 and paying less than my former salary (i was software team leader) <slashtom> Tribaal: nothing more than 40 hours per week <Tribaal> slashtom: really? Whow <slashtom> where are you moving from? <Tribaal> good to know <Tribaal> Switzerland <slashtom> graduate or with experience? <Tribaal> here the legal max is 42/week, and I currently do well over 50 <Tribaal> with experience <Tribaal> (10+ years) <slashtom> aye, it depends on the company but IT skills are in short supply <Tribaal> ok <slashtom> anyone who wants to retain their employees treats them well <slashtom> those who don't, like ebel's former employer do badly (i don't think ebel has been properly replaced, and he left 12 months ago) <Tribaal> How come, by the way? Seems like there are lots of IT companies there - there should be schools etc... to match, so where do all the IT guys leave to? the US? <ebel> usually 'full time' means 9am â 5pm (or 5:30pm), Monday â Friday <ebel> legal max here is 48hrs per week IIRC <Tribaal> who did you work for ebel? :) <ebel> Ireland usually just uses the bare minimum of EU employee rights <slashtom> Tribaal: there's limited local resource, i work for a company with about 30 employee. in the past 18 months we have taken on about 5 new developers who the majority (including myself) are immigrants <ebel> don't think it's a case of people leaving, more like jobs coming in. <ebel> e.g. us companies. <Tribaal> oh, gotcha <ebel> but I've always worked for irish tech companies, and there are load of them. <ebel> usually small companies <Tribaal> what do other activity sectors look like in Ireland? My wife isn't a techie - and she'll probably be looking for something sooner or later... <ebel> lots of pharmacutial i think... <ebel> not a lot of construction..... <Tribaal> (sorry - I don't mean to hijack the discussion, please tell me if I'm being a troll) <czajkowski> Tribaal: what area does she work in <slashtom> you're grand <ebel> things like nursing, teaching and a lot of public sector jobs have not been hiring anyone for years.... <Tribaal> well she's into banking/finance (project management mostly) <czajkowski> well banking sector possibly not so <czajkowski> given ireland current woes with the banks <Tribaal> yeah <czajkowski> so PM work elsewhere possible <ebel> i don't know how many banking/finance jobs there are, but the banking industry kinda went downhill a bit <czajkowski> though BOI has a lot of contract PM work atm <Tribaal> yeah sounds reasonable <Tribaal> good to know for BOI (I assume Bank Of Ireland) <ebel> that's an interesting observation, you never really heard lots of techies going off to the USA to get work <ebel> recently or in the celtic tiger years... <Tribaal> here it's the big thing <Tribaal> most graduates dream of going to silicon valley to make it big <ebel> yes, there is some who'd do that.... <Tribaal> and most end up doing shitty jobs there instead of staying and earning a relatively good living <czajkowski> Tribaal: where are you based now ? <Tribaal> in Zurich, Switzerland * ebel has been in the canton of zurich <ebel> (or maybe it was bern) <Tribaal> hehe <czajkowski> Tribaal: so you do realise the wages in ireland are a lot lower than Switzerland by a long shot as well <slashtom> i don't think we went as far north as zurich <slashtom> but living costs are much lower <ebel> czajkowski: price is much less in .ie than .ch <czajkowski> a lot of my mates are in Google Switzerland <Tribaal> Bern looks like a castle (all made of stone, plenty of medieval-looking structures), Zurich is more cosmopolitan/modern <slashtom> it would be like moving from .ie to .uk <ebel> Tribaal: me and slashtom were riding motorbikes over the alps <czajkowski> slashtom: they've said different which is why one is leaving and 3 are staying for various reasons <Tribaal> czajkowski: yeah, Google has a big R&D center here <czajkowski> indeed <Tribaal> ebel: nice :) <ebel> Tribaal: get used to things not really working as well, and things not being as tidy. <czajkowski> yeah that's their big complaint when they come back visiting <ebel> I'm going to assume in switzerland things (e.g. busses/trains) work well and reliably. In Ireland things are a bit more... flexible. <Tribaal> ebel: we don't mind :) That's partly why we're leaving this place - too orderly, not enough room for opportunities <czajkowski> Tribaal: are you irish and want to move back ? <Tribaal> czajkowski: nope <czajkowski> Tribaal: so why Ireland ? <Tribaal> we're Swiss and French, and want to see the world, after living in a very tidy and boring country <slashtom> ireland is deadly, of course :D <Tribaal> Well, we're not completely hippies yet, so we decided to move wherever one of us would have a job offer first * slashtom tries to presuade czajkowski to move back :) <Tribaal> :) <Tribaal> (some of my friends went what I call the hippie way and "dropped everything and went to Africa" or something) <czajkowski> slashtom: no chance and I don't mind it here seeing as I'm half English and dad is English. I mean dads dad left england and went back to poland to his country <Tribaal> (didn't work out so well for them) <czajkowski> it's not as if I went to another country with no relationship with <czajkowski> Tribaal: aye we've had mates from Oz who did the EU thing and are now back in OZ <Tribaal> sorry, but what is OZ? <ebel> Tribaal: mailing lists (e.g. ILUG, python-ireland etc.) are good places to find job postings. <czajkowski> Australia <ebel> as well as the usual ones like moster.ie, and recruiters <Tribaal> (I'll have to upgrade my slang terms I think :) ) <slashtom> that's where myself and czajkowski differ, i consider it a promotion to have moved from England to Ireland :) <czajkowski> :) <Tribaal> hehe <czajkowski> I was born here first remember <slashtom> aye, i used monster.ie <czajkowski> and have relations here <ebel> since companies can spend ages looking for a job, enquire about all job postings. I've gotten a job from a 6 month old job posting and an interview with a 1 year old job posting. <slashtom> recruiters will pick you up as soon as you sign up to monster.ie <czajkowski> Tribaal: also look at linkedin <Tribaal> good to know <Tribaal> yeah linkedin was what got me that job in Ireland <czajkowski> Tribaal: are you involved in the swiss or french loco ? <Tribaal> hopefully my wife will get something too :) <ebel> Tribaal: slashtom (being a recent immigrant) can teach you all about slang :P <slashtom> :P <Tribaal> czajkowski: yea, the Swiss one <Tribaal> but it's kind of boring :) <czajkowski> Tribaal: so will you come along to the release party in ireland now <Tribaal> I mean everything is super difficult to organise for the Swiss loco since we speak 3 national languages... <Tribaal> czajkowski: probably not, I'll start working on the 1st of Nov (and before that I'll have to do the moving etc... in Switzerland) <Tribaal> but I'll definitely be there for the next one however :) <Tribaal> or for drinkups etc... in the mean time <ebel> Ah you already have a job, cool. <Tribaal> ebel: yeah, that was the "why Ireland" <slashtom> in dublin? <Tribaal> then my wife will probably want to get one too if possible <ebel> cool. what sorta tech do you work at? <Tribaal> yeah Dublin <slashtom> deadly! <Tribaal> ? <ebel> if you haven't found a place to live, remember that ireland has had a massive property crash. rents are falling rapidly. it's a renters-market. <Tribaal> oh? good to know <ebel> apartment prices (to buy) are down about 50% in 3 years. <ebel> ("deadly" = "brilliant" ) <Tribaal> ebel: oh ok :) Like in French then :) <Tribaal> I wasn't sure :) <ebel> le deadly <Tribaal> lol <Tribaal> "mortel" :) <slashtom> daft.ie is good for rentals <Tribaal> good to know <Tribaal> thanks guys (and gals) <slashtom> http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/ - useful information <Tribaal> whow <Tribaal> the one link to rule them all <Tribaal> :) <slashtom> http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/moving_to_ireland/introduction_to_the_irish_system/ <Tribaal> deadly, thanks :) <Tribaal> ebel, also since you asked, I'm a (mostly) Python developer <ebel> Cool. Me too. <czajkowski> Tribaal: so where will you be working <dstaar> Hi. I am probably wrong in this channel but I rely on the OS community. I'm looking for a good source about the irish job market which explains what exactly e.g. contract means in detail. For the curious one i would like to work in dublin and need some background information. <ebel> hehe, we were telling someone else about jobs in ireland earlier today (sorta) <ebel> what exactly do you not understand? what sort of job is it? (I assume some technology job?) Where are you coming from? UK? USA? <ebel> germany? <ebel> a "contract job" is not a permanent job, but would be similar. it's a job that's limited in time, and you are only employed to work for (say) X months, after that you are not employed anymore <ebel> it's like a freelancer job, or temporary job. <ebel> (However practically jobs (include permanent jobs) will have an employment contract) <ebel> dstaar: does that help? <dstaar> i come from germany at the moment i study in a masters program applied computer science. <dstaar> before writing my master thesis I would like to work in dublin for half a year that is my intention <dstaar> contract based offers seem to be very popular <ebel> cool. There are a lot of technology jobs in dublin now. <ebel> there are still a lot of permanent jobs, not just contract jobs. <ebel> But if you only want to work 6 months, then a contract job might be best. <ebel> since then the employer knows you will not be around after 6 months. <dstaar> it is also very flexible in germany permanent is more usual <ebel> if you go for a job interview, tell them that you want to quit the job in 6 months. be kind :) <ebel> permanent job is probably more common than contract job. there are probably more people working in a permanent job than a contract job. <dstaar> germans are always kind :D <ebel> Some people don't want a permanent job and go from contract job to contract job. <dstaar> what about insurance and tax issues by a contract jobs, how is that handled? <ebel> I am not sure.... http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/moving_to_ireland/introduction_to_the_irish_system/ <ebel> http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/ has lots of good information. <dstaar> great source thank you. <dstaar> do you know something about job chances. I mean there are a lot of job offerings in the it sector twitter is full of that. <ebel> there are a lot of technology/programming jobs in dublin now. <dstaar> i got a bachelor degree, several years working experience and "some" english knowledge <dstaar> do you live in dublin ebel? <ebel> for open source technologies you can try mailing lists, (e.g. ILUG), they often have job postings. <ebel> I live in Dublin. <ebel> Remember that some education qualification levels are different in different countries, but experience is always very helpful to you. <ebel> Dublin, being the capital city, and ~ 20% â 30% of the population has lots of technology jobs. <dstaar> my plans are to come in autumn next year to dublin together with my girlfriend. A flat seems to cost about 600â¬ but i couldn't find anything about electricity and internet costs et cetera. <ebel> ireland had a big property crash (that's why the IMF/ECB bailout), so in 1 year, property might be less. <ebel> internet is about â¬30 per month for ~ 8Mbit broadband (aka DSL) <ebel> electricity is roughly similar per month. <dstaar> just 8 Mbit, oh dear â¦ no, just kidding :D <ebel> Some houses/flats have gas heating, some don't. <ebel> we don't (yet) pay council taxes or water rates. you may have to pay for rubbish collection (or if you live in a big apartment block you might not) <dstaar> ok is it possible to get internet for 6month or there will be longe contracts? <ebel> usually contracts would be for 1 year. You can get prepaid 3G / mobile internet <ebel> so you can pay month by month for that. you might be able to get only 6 months of internet. maybe <dstaar> i already did some research for 3G it's about 20â¬ for 7.5GB traffic. <ebel> wait, you might be able to get 6 months of broadband/dsl internet. You can definitly get only 6 months of mobile phone internet <ebel> yes, 3G wouldn't be as fast, or allow you to download as much. <Tribaal> sorry, irccloud went down for a while <dstaar> i know bit it will be enough. <Tribaal> czajkowski: I'll be working with Dell <dstaar> it's just for keeping contact to family. <Tribaal> dstaar: what operator is that? <dstaar> wait. <dstaar> it was one of the smaller companies. <Tribaal> that sound spretty good <dstaar> meteor or 3 one of them. <ebel> you could get mobile data with your mobile phone plan. might be cheaper than a dongle. then use tethering to use the connection on your computer <dstaar> as long as i get a micro sim. <Tribaal> ebel, what would you suggest for a mobile phone operator? <Tribaal> also one of the smaller ones? <ebel> there are only a few mobile phone operators really <ebel> nearly all have fine coverage in dublin (unless you're going up the mountains) <ebel> 3 is newish and can have spotty coveragwe <ebel> otherwise they are all practically the same. <ebel> i have a phone with emobile. <dstaar> is 3 a real provider or just a reseller? <ebel> I think 3 are a real provider. <ebel> tesco mobile are a reseller. emobile is a reseller, but that's cause they (eircom) bought another mobile phone network (meteor), so it's the same company. <ebel> on eircom landline internet connection thepiratebay.org is censored and blocked. <ebel> (not on emobile or meteor, you can get to thepiratebay.org fine) <dstaar> that is something which shouldn't be supported is there any more censorship? <Tribaal> wait - three has *all you can eat data* plans? <Tribaal> geez <Tribaal> I have to pay more than 20 Swiss francs for *1Gb*/month <dstaar> i am paying 10â¬ for 1GB 3G the rest is transferred with GPRS <ebel> dstaar: no, tis only thepiratebay.org. The music industry asked them to block it, they did. :) <Tribaal> ebel - any landline operator know not to censor? <ebel> Ireland no longer blocks or censors books & films. (Go back 30 years and playboy was banned) <Tribaal> for instance in France they have "Free", who made a public statement saying they would not censor when asked to by the gov. <ebel> Tribaal: only eircom censor thepiratebay.org. everything else, is fine <Tribaal> ebel: ok <Tribaal> I should be ok to live with that <Tribaal> and can SSH tunnel anyway, if I *really* need to :P <dstaar> we got a huge community in germany fighting against censorship it is scarring to hear that other countries already using their infrastructure for those cases <ebel> Tribaal: there might be 'fair usage' policy on that. ie might not be unlimited. <dstaar> anyway using vpn or tor is the way to go <Tribaal> ebel, yeah but still :) There are such usage restrictions on mine too :) * ebel has to go home, ttyl, this channel is usually pretty active. <Tribaal> hehe <Tribaal> ebel: take care <Tribaal> and thanks for all the info <dstaar> thank you ebel <dstaar> i'll be back â¦ what a worse joke <dstaar> tribaal where are you from? <Tribaal> hehe <Tribaal> dstaar: moving into Ireland too? <Tribaal> Switzerland for now <dstaar> i want to move to dublin for half a year in 2012 <Tribaal> ah cool * Tribaal jogging time - TTYL <dstaar> actually i am studying but it seems hard to pay for university that's why i am looking for a job <czajkowski> Tribaal: ahh dell in dublin so in cherry wood ? <dstaar> is dell looking for programmers? <czajkowski> moonpie: ping <Tribaal> czajkowski: yeah, cherrywood <Tribaal> don't know how much they are
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