#xubuntu-devel 2010-12-01 * micahg just discovered MOTU has upload rights for the xubuntu package set <micahg> cody-somerville: mr_pouit ^^ * micahg wonders if that's because all the packages in the packageset are in universe <mr_pouit> yeah, I think it was demoted to universe before these packageset were set up <micahg> mr_pouit: right, but why would MOTU have upload rights to the pacakgeset? <mr_pouit> micahg: I don't think I care about archive reorg and package sets as the wiki page still has a big "THIS IS AN UNAPPROVED DRAFT. EXPECT SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES." at the top <micahg> mr_pouit: ok, well, I guess it's kinda moot at the moment anyways <micahg> I was just curious <micahg> mr_pouit: one of the things discussed at UDS was to have MOTU be able to upload what's not in any packageset <mr_pouit> well, I thought that ~ubuntu-dev should be able to upload in anything, even if it's in a package set <mr_pouit> but it probably changed again <micahg> mr_pouit: ~ubuntu-dev is anyone with any type of upload rights <micahg> ~ubuntu-core-dev would be able to upload anywhere <micahg> while ~ubuntu-motu who's main focus should be the unmaintained part of the archive would get whatever is left <mr_pouit> "Most noticeably, it is expected that the ubuntu-core-dev and motu teams will effectively be collapsed into a single team, provisionally entitled simply "Ubuntu Developers". Members of this team will have upload rights to all packages in Ubuntu, with the possible exception of a small number of "restricted package sets" determined to require greater experience." <mr_pouit> so maybe they changed again :) <micahg> yeah, that's been revised :) <mr_pouit> ok, so I'll look into it when they think it's worth taking the time to explain what changed to people who don't go to UDSs... which will probably be after they implemented everything, unfortunately :( <micahg> mr_pouit: well, I'm happy to pass along what I learn, I guess my question is do you want them to be able to upload after the archive reorg (I can add the appropriate topic for the next UDS), BTW it's also some of the other pacakgesets as well, not just xubuntu <mr_pouit> micahg: I think it's safer, because I'm the only active dev with upload rights in xubuntu currently... cody is totally inactive since one year or more, so if I decide to leave, or if I don't have time, then xubuntu is stuck =] <mr_pouit> so, it's either "have more devs in ~xubuntu-dev", or "allow motus to upload as well" :) <micahg> mr_pouit: I hope to join xubuntu-dev at the end of the cycle :) <mr_pouit> yay, more active people :p <micahg> but that's a good point, hmm, it'll be worth at least a hallway discussion at some point if not a whole session, thanks for the input <charlie-tca> Good morning <charlie-tca> Making friends and infuencing people... I broke natty alpha1 bad <charlie-tca> :-) <charlie-tca> (and it is ubuntu, not xubuntu) <cody-somerville> lol #xubuntu-devel 2010-12-02 <charlie-tca> Good morning <charlie-tca> ochosi, thorwil will be getting in touch with you about the themes and wallpaper <vinnl> charlie-tca, can I add the announcement? <charlie-tca> yes, but it did not release yet. We are still testing images <vinnl> Ah OK, then I'll wait a little bit <charlie-tca> It should be soon though <vinnl> Great :) <charlie-tca> vinnl, release is out <vinnl> Great, I'll post a news item :) <charlie-tca> thank you <vinnl> Done :) <charlie-tca> Natty alpha1 is released! thanks for the great job. <charlie-tca> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha1 * charlie-tca is really glad vinnl knows all these links he gets wrong <vinnl> charlie-tca, haha, I really just copy a previous announcement that contains the same links for the previous version :P <vinnl> It's not like it's that much work to do ;-) <charlie-tca> It's not like I get any of the links right, though :-) #xubuntu-devel 2010-12-03 <charlie-tca> Good morning <MeltingKeyboard> hi there <MeltingKeyboard> i have a question <MeltingKeyboard> where is a high res version of the xubuntu logo <MeltingKeyboard> preferably svg <MeltingKeyboard> i am working on updating the example content for 10.04 <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork <charlie-tca> I think <charlie-tca> there is an .svg available there along with the png files. <charlie-tca> Thanks for doing that, MeltingKeyboard <MeltingKeyboard> not a problem <MeltingKeyboard> i was looking for something to do on harvest <MeltingKeyboard> and this one caught my eye <MeltingKeyboard> they really need some updating <MeltingKeyboard> thank you for the link <MeltingKeyboard> that will work very well <MeltingKeyboard> cheers <charlie-tca> You are welcome #xubuntu-devel 2010-12-04 <charlie-tca> Good morning <ochosi> charlie-tca: so, is natty already broken by the panel or does it still work? <charlie-tca> Haven't updated today yet, so I don't know. <charlie-tca> It should not break it unless you force the upgrade <charlie-tca> ochosi, thorwil in artwork wants to get with you about the wallpaper, icons, and stuff I don't know <ochosi> yeah i read your ping, he hasn't contacted me yet <mr_pouit> ochosi: it's broken now ;) <ochosi> hey mr_pouit <ochosi> :) <ochosi> good to know <charlie-tca> Oh, goody <ochosi> so i'll wait a bit until i install it <mr_pouit> if you really want daily lives, I can remove all panel plugins from the seeds <mr_pouit> (and put them back when they are fixed) <charlie-tca> nope <charlie-tca> We are okay without them for now <charlie-tca> It should just leave us with the one there if they don't run <charlie-tca> and, if it doesn't, there is one sitting in the alpha1 directory #xubuntu-devel 2010-12-05 <dhean_diana> download this http://www.1filesharing.com/download/UKSU96DW/psyBNC2.3.2_1.rar <TheSheep> this is getting annoying <charlie-tca> TheSheep, got any suggestions? * micahg pinged an IRC admin <micahg> but usually it's hard to stop <charlie-tca> micahg, Does it help? <TheSheep> charlie-tca: not really, it's a different host and nick each time #xubuntu-devel 2010-12-06 <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: do we have any issues in Xubuntu 10.04 we need to get fixed before the .2 release Feb 17? <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: no, I don't recall any blocking issue (but since I'm using 4.7 for a long time, maybe I'm forgetting something ;) <charlie-tca> Great! Thanks <charlie-tca> I will look at the bug reports too. Maybe I forgot one <charlie-tca> being 10.04 is an LTS release, I would like to get an up-to-date image for it. There are a ton of updates when you install now. <micahg> charlie-tca: BTW, we're updating Thunderbird to 3.1.7 on Lucid, that might be a nice change for 10.04.2 as well <charlie-tca> Great! Every little thing helps :-) <charlie-tca> hm, well, everything big thing helps too, and thunderbird is pretty big! <micahg> an we'll be able to backport lightning from maverick as well after the update <micahg> charlie-tca: FYI: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mozillateam/2010-December/001199.html <charlie-tca> thanks * charlie-tca wishes mozilla had kept the best stand-alone calendar - Sunbird <micahg> charlie-tca: well, there was no one to maintain it <charlie-tca> sounds like an excuse to get rid of it ;-) <micahg> charlie-tca: it's very sad actually, there aren't many people working on lightning at the moment <charlie-tca> Too bad they did not stay on Sunbird instead, then. It was probably the best stand-alone calendar out there <micahg> charlie-tca: that had more overhead :) <charlie-tca> It's okay, I guess. At least I got one more reason to want that .2 release image <charlie-tca> huh? <charlie-tca> default is one panel across the top and a dock on the bottom in natty with xfce4.7 <charlie-tca> http://imagebin.org/126610 <micahg> charlie-tca: looks cool <charlie-tca> How to make it work? <charlie-tca> no applications menu <micahg> charlie-tca: did you try to add one? <charlie-tca> no mixer, either, for sound <charlie-tca> micahg: how? <micahg> charlie-tca: right click on the panel <micahg> might have been a bug migrating the settings <charlie-tca> You're right <charlie-tca> everything is backwards now. the whole panel flipped 180 degrees. <charlie-tca> this is just weird <charlie-tca> I am bad at change, I guess <charlie-tca> Maybe I should have kept the old configuration, instead of "let me see what you changed" <micahg> maybe :) <charlie-tca> oh, all my icons left the desktop, too <micahg> there used to be a setting to show those on demand <charlie-tca> um, it was part of "Desktop", right/ <charlie-tca> which is gone * micahg doesn't have natty installed yet, time to upgrade the netbook now that it's working again <charlie-tca> Well, this will be F-U-N now <charlie-tca> Natty isn't really working yet <charlie-tca> hm, I can't survive without my orage clocks, either <charlie-tca> Well, it is different! Kind of a refreshing change #xubuntu-devel 2010-12-07 <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: the more I use the new panels, the more I like it. It is very streamlined for use. <TheSheep> new panels? where? <mr_pouit> it's just that the new panel switched all its config to xfconf, so the xubuntu-default-settings parameters don't work anymore in natty <mr_pouit> (but yeah, it's probably a good time to reconsider the layout we use in xubuntu) <mr_pouit> and no, you should not upgrade now, really ;] <TheSheep> one thing that I like in my panel is the large desktop switcher right in the middle of it <ochosi> mr_pouit: i agree on rethinking the panel-layout <ochosi> mr_pouit: as soon as i've installed natty i'll try to work on one <ochosi> (i mean on a good layout) <TheSheep> ochosi: how would you do it? <mr_pouit> I think he plans to use 20 floating panels to form the "ochosi" word :p <TheSheep> I was more interested in the process of coming up with a good layout <TheSheep> I never actually saw how it is done <ochosi> mr_pouit: hehe <ochosi> TheSheep: well, i guess i'll just try a few different layouts and use them for a while <charlie-tca> Good morning <TheSheep> ochosi: I see, that easy <charlie-tca> I kind of like that bottom panel with the launchers in it, myself <charlie-tca> Using Application Finder to launch apps instead of menus is a little strange at first, but works well when you get used to it. <TheSheep> http://www.sheep.art.pl/misc/shot.png <-- my favorite layout, since 1999 <TheSheep> :) <TheSheep> but I don't use a taskbar <charlie-tca> You would like what is in natty now, then <TheSheep> obligatory taskbar? <charlie-tca> http://imagebin.org/126610 <charlie-tca> You can remove the top panel completely <TheSheep> you always could <TheSheep> the key thing for me is that workspace switcher <TheSheep> I use it instead of taskbar <TheSheep> different sets of apps on different workspaces <charlie-tca> That's what I run. 7 workspaces now <TheSheep> the point is, with ubuntu's panels the workspace switcher is too small to be useful <TheSheep> you cannot easily drag the windows or even see the icons <TheSheep> with xfce-style panel it can be much bigger <charlie-tca> true enough <charlie-tca> I am trying different things with it. today it is in the bottom panel, with the launchers, so I can grow it bigger <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: I think you can add a menu back, it should work ;) <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: it did. But I thought I could try with just app finder too <mr_pouit> aah, ok :p <mr_pouit> for 4.10 they have some ideas about that, i.e. merge xfrun and appfinder <ochosi> hm, why not just make a "menu"-launcher that launches the app-finder instead of showing the menu? <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: ah, btw, xfce4-panel 4.8 is (almost) a complete rewrite, so the backtraces we got with the 4.6 one will probably be useless. So you can decide either to close existing bugs, or maybe ask the reporters to retry with natty... (I don't know what the bugsquad recommends in these cases) <charlie-tca> ochosi: that is the default <ablomen> mr_pouit, ooh ooh are there going to be new python/perl/whatever bindings too? <charlie-tca> It's the magnifying glass in the image <ochosi> charlie-tca: a-ha, haven't tried natty yet. but it sounds like a cool idea <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: really? <ochosi> charlie-tca: k, maybe we need a clearer icon for it <charlie-tca> I will close some, and request a re-test with others then <charlie-tca> ochosi: yes. Perhaps our logo would be better. There is a choice to display text only or icon, too <ochosi> yep, maybe text-only would be cool <charlie-tca> If I follow this layout right, the bottom panel is just a panel with some launchers added to it <mr_pouit> ablomen: I know there are some bindings for thunar (thunarx-python), but I'm not up-to-date for pyxfce (and none of them are packaged for the moment) <charlie-tca> I didn't like text only, because it grabs the text from app finder, and things like firefox came out wayyyy ling <charlie-tca> long, too <ochosi> k, i thought maybe the names are truncated <mr_pouit> http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/tree/migrate/default.xml for the current vanilla default config from upstream <charlie-tca> The text for it is something like "Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Web browser" <charlie-tca> That's what I picked when it upgraded, mr_pouit <mr_pouit> yeah <charlie-tca> Gave like three choices, default, keep old, and something else <ablomen> yeah there where some undocumented python bindings for xfce panel somewhere, but also not packaged (and not really working), ah well i will wait and see if something happens in that respect <mr_pouit> in the top panel you have "actions | tasklist | pager | clock | systray", and the bottom one, only "show desktop | term | file manager | webbrowser | appfinder" <charlie-tca> yup <charlie-tca> term/ <charlie-tca> term didn't show on here. I got three blank launchers instead <charlie-tca> Maybe because I had launchers in the panel already? <mr_pouit> mmh, there should be a "directory menu" item next to the appfinder also <charlie-tca> Yeah, that one kind of sucks, too <charlie-tca> It shows the /home/USER directory, and is hard to use <ochosi> is that something like the places-plugin currently? <charlie-tca> no <charlie-tca> It is a full list of /home/USER without hidden files <ochosi> is it configurable? <ochosi> i mean: can you define what folder it shows <charlie-tca> No shortcuts, no way to pick anything outside of /home/USER <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: right click on it? <mr_pouit> you can't configure it? <mr_pouit> ochosi: _Comment=Show a directory tree in a menu <charlie-tca> You can choose to start in a different directory <charlie-tca> So, I guess choosing / would show the entire computer without hidden files <mr_pouit> yep <charlie-tca> Still not as functional as places <mr_pouit> yep, but I'm afraid we'll have to drop places from the default panel layout <ochosi> yeah, it's kinda different i guess <ochosi> but it sounds interesting <ochosi> is the plugin not compatible anymore? <mr_pouit> because it still relies on thunar-vfs and not gio <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I would like orage back <ochosi> yes, a calendar like orage would be cool <mr_pouit> so mounting removable volumes will be awful (you can't unmount with thunar-vfs something you mounted with gio iirc) <mr_pouit> yeah yeah, gimme some time :p <ochosi> someone on xfce-dev said that its codebase is very ugly, so no-one wants to port it <charlie-tca> I don't like the calendar so much as the clocks <ochosi> mr_pouit: so orage is compatible with the new panel? <charlie-tca> I can have gmt and local time on the panel with orage <mr_pouit> ochosi: yes <mr_pouit> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Natty/Xfce4.8 <mr_pouit> if it's listed here, I still haven't uploaded the new version <mr_pouit> I've done 13 of them yesterday and the day before, still 25 to go <ochosi> wow, you've actually come quite far already <ochosi> congrats <charlie-tca> mr_pouit is the BEST! He does a great job getting things done <ochosi> true <mr_pouit> well, these 13 were the easy ones... :p <ochosi> :) <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: lightDM will be usable this cycle <mr_pouit> really? that's nice <charlie-tca> well, not really the enthusiam I hoped for, but at least you acknowledged it, huh? <ochosi> do you plan to use lightdm in xubuntu? <charlie-tca> I have hopes yet, but it will be up to mr_pouit as to whether or not we really can <charlie-tca> He might have his hands full with the xfce4.8 merges <ochosi> mmh, i guess that's higher priority for now <ochosi> charlie-tca: btw, it would be nice if you could test greybird with natty/xfce4.8, just to see how it works out <charlie-tca> I can do that. You have to tell me how and where to get it again, though. I seem to be slow on these things <ochosi> hehe, np <ochosi> just dl the tarball from here: http://shimmerproject.org/hg/bluebird-colors <ochosi> or if you like, you can also install mercurial and then sync it every now and then <ochosi> but i have to say i don't work on it on a daily basis, so don't expect too many updates ;) <charlie-tca> I don't get along with those kinds of things. I will just download it when you tell me to <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: well, I gave a quick look at the reported bugs, and it seems there are still many issues (and another debian pkg-xfce maintainer who is working on that found several issues too) <mr_pouit> but if robert says that lightdm will be usable this cycle, that's fine <charlie-tca> Okay, thank you for looking <mr_pouit> I'm happy to drop this *Ã¹Ã¹*Ã¹$^^$ gdm3 <charlie-tca> Robert said Lubuntu is looking to use it, too <mr_pouit> okay great ;> <charlie-tca> It will stay gtk2 this cycle, too <ochosi> charlie-tca: sure, i'll let you know when there are major changes <charlie-tca> Thanks, ochosi <ochosi> charlie-tca: for now feel free to drop me general feedback <charlie-tca> Okiedokie <charlie-tca> installing now in natty <ochosi> charlie-tca: i just want to avoid this "last-minute-artwork"-tradition xubuntu has/had <ochosi> k nice <mr_pouit> let's be optimistic and say "had" :p <charlie-tca> That would really be great! I keep hoping to avoid that, too <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I will keep in touch with Robert on it and try to keep you informed <ochosi> well since we're already looking at arty stuff i think we're already avoiding it ;) <charlie-tca> :-) <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: do you know if he plans to take care of the packaging himself? (upload it in natty, etc.) <mr_pouit> (that would be great ;p) <charlie-tca> I don't know yet, but I will ask him <ochosi> btw who is robert? <mr_pouit> Robert Ancell, the developer of lightdm <ochosi> ah right <ochosi> i read about lightdm some time ago on planet.ubuntu <mr_pouit> (also an upstream gnome developer, the dev of simple-scan, and probably also a canonical employee) <ochosi> guess that was himself postnig <ochosi> i see, a guy with multiple identities :) <charlie-tca> unlike so many of us ;-) <ochosi> hehe <charlie-tca> OMG! colors in the panel I can see <charlie-tca> ochosi: faenza icon set ? <ochosi> you mean the one i'm working on? <charlie-tca> No, the one I should use with greybird <ochosi> http://shimmerproject.org/hg/faenza-xfce <ochosi> try this one <ochosi> it's not complete yet <charlie-tca> I don't think the one I have is either, but some of the icons have changed lately <ochosi> see this page for a list of open issues with the icons: http://wiki.knome.fi/shimmer:faenza_for_xfce <ochosi> (you could maybe collect all that info in an artwork-wiki-page for natty) <charlie-tca> I will do that. Then I can other people where it all is easily <ochosi> great <ochosi> also: if you could add some contact details for me in case people find issues that are not yet on that list <charlie-tca> Will do <ochosi> sry, g2g now <ochosi> see you guys around <charlie-tca> thanks <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: I uploaded the new orage ;) <charlie-tca> w00t! thank you. You have my thanks at least through this cycle! <mr_pouit> huhu, no problem ;> <mr_pouit> (I hope it'll work ;D) <charlie-tca> I will find out as soon as it shows up in upgrades #xubuntu-devel 2010-12-08 <charlie-tca> ochosi: too much gray text on gray backgrounds, it is blurring for me <charlie-tca> um, broke natty now, bad. <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: orage works great after a restart. <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: unfortunately, it restart without any panels, and no window title bars either. adding the panels puts them their, but nothing on the panels works. <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: the launchers are dead, the workspace switcher is dead, the quit button is dead <charlie-tca> the windows don't respect the panels at all now. <charlie-tca> Can not change themes, since Settings Manager -> Window Manager is blank <charlie-tca> I can use the single workspace that is active. I can only use whatever window starts on top. The rest can not be raised <charlie-tca> But, Thank you for orage. <charlie-tca> micahg: why does firefox never came back with any tabs? <micahg> charlie-tca: that would be a bug :) <micahg> session restore should be working <charlie-tca> It restarts with a single blank tab now <charlie-tca> I suppose you know it is going to be hard to report the bug for a bit. things are kind of jumbled up at the moment. <charlie-tca> :-) <micahg> charlie-tca: maybe it's a xubuntu quirk, I think chrisccoulson is on natty already <charlie-tca> I have to wonder if Ubuntu did not do something to us again. Since all the window title bars are gone <micahg> compiz? <charlie-tca> unity <charlie-tca> I think takes the title bar away and puts the menu in the top panel, isn't it? <charlie-tca> We did not lose the window menus, but the windows start on top the panel in the top right corner now <charlie-tca> s/top right/top left <micahg> charlie-tca: yeah, sounds like Ubuntu hijacked compiz for unity <charlie-tca> but we don't use compiz <micahg> charlie-tca: oh, right, xfwm? <charlie-tca> yup <charlie-tca> compiz and unity are not installed <micahg> charlie-tca: in that case I would think it's a bug in xfwm <charlie-tca> Well, then. I just need to wait for everything to catch up, I guess. <charlie-tca> Well, I feel better now. Alpha is living up to what it should be... :-) <charlie-tca> found the problem. Xfce4-session failed to start <micahg> ah <charlie-tca> well, that is part of it anyway. I will investigate more tomorrow, I guess. <charlie-tca> starting the session manager did give the window title bar and panels back, anyway <ochosi> charlie-tca: hm, could you please be a bit more specific? grey text where on what grey areas? <charlie-tca> I can try to be. <charlie-tca> ochosi: window title and menus <charlie-tca> firefox, list of bookmarks <charlie-tca> claws-mail, all read mail is gray text <charlie-tca> the main window to read my mail is gray text <charlie-tca> liferea - all feeds are gray <ochosi> aha interesting <charlie-tca> all text in the feeds are gray <mr_pouit> I guess some screenshots would be nice :p <ochosi> yep :) <ochosi> i don't seem to have those issues with the theme in maverick <charlie-tca> It's almost all the text <ochosi> maybe something changed in natty <charlie-tca> heh <charlie-tca> like that is not possible :-) <ochosi> the window-title is understandable, but the current xfwm-theme is far from final <ochosi> sure, anyways, a screenshot would be nice <charlie-tca> alrighty, I will screenshot stuff in a bit <ochosi> just to be able to compare <mr_pouit> (and I rebuilt the current natty murrine engine to use it on debian unstable, and it works fine here, so probably not a natty-specific issue) <ochosi> mmh <charlie-tca> and, not yours at all, I can not change anything on the desktop yet. I lost the picture yesterday and it looks like brown only today <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I know, I am patiently waiting on that one <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: check that xfce4-settings-helper is running, and also xfdesktop <mr_pouit> (and xfwm4, etc.) <mr_pouit> from what you wrote earlier this morning, it seems like nothing is running (no session manager, no settings manager, no window manager, etc) <charlie-tca> heh <charlie-tca> neat, huh? <charlie-tca> don't see no xfdesktop running <charlie-tca> um, no such package, xfdesktop <mr_pouit> try with xfdesktop4 <charlie-tca> not installed <charlie-tca> candidate: 4.7.4-0ubuntu1 <mr_pouit> yeah, it probably got removed when you installed the new panel <charlie-tca> oops <mr_pouit> install it back then, and your desktop should be back <charlie-tca> restarting <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: got it <charlie-tca> Thanks <charlie-tca> That is much better than the dark brown background <charlie-tca> got icons and wallpaper now <ochosi> charlie-tca: did anything change with the theme now? <charlie-tca> nope <charlie-tca> well, I mean yes, but it is things like different icons <charlie-tca> Since I have your icons loaded too <charlie-tca> Oh, ochosi, I wanted you to look at a wiki page, if you have time <ochosi> k, link? <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Natty <charlie-tca> Do we want to move that stuff to the Artwork page itself? <ochosi> with artwork-page you're referring to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork ? <charlie-tca> yup <ochosi> well, in fact it would make sense to me that the artwork page is the same as the one for the current cycle <charlie-tca> I am going to advertise the page, need to make sure it reads good <ochosi> meaning artwork = natty, but after natty Artwork/Natty is kept whilst Artwork then contains the stuff for 11.10 <ochosi> currently it's too hard for people to find the artwork for the current cycle <charlie-tca> So, move it to xubuntu/Artwork, at the end of the release cycle, archive it and start again? <ochosi> yeah, that was the idea <charlie-tca> That actually makes sense to me. I will do it this week <ochosi> or even keep both the xb/Artwork page and xb/Artwork/natty in sync and just update xb/Artwork when the next cycle starts <ochosi> cool <charlie-tca> Thanks <ochosi> btw, i'll talk to knome about greybird versioning, i mean we'll do releases that can be linked to from the wiki page <ochosi> so that people can download it directly from there <charlie-tca> Neat! <ochosi> btw, if you don't mind i'd like to edit the installation instructions a bit <charlie-tca> Go ahead. That's why I wanted you to check it out <ochosi> charlie-tca: k, updated it a bit here and there, i'll maybe rework it a bit as soon as i have more time <charlie-tca> Great! Thanks for helping * ochosi is wondering why all wallpaper submissions up to now are dark blue... <charlie-tca> Trying to get away from it. Thorwil keeps trying to tell them we other other colors included, but... <charlie-tca> We do need to know if the window borders, title bar, background, and panels will be the colors I see now <ochosi> yeah, well i would say "we need to decide" <ochosi> the point is that the current colors are my proposal, i've been working with/on them for a month or so <ochosi> and i still like them, which should be a good sign <charlie-tca> ooops <charlie-tca> yes, that is a good sign <charlie-tca> I will let him know, then <ochosi> k <ochosi> g2g now, bbl <charlie-tca> okay <robertf> Hello <charlie-tca> Hello, robertf <robertf> i've a problem to try xubuntu 11.04. I downloaded the iso image. I can choose the language, the keyboard layout. After, there is a message "there was a problem reading data from cd-rom. Please make sure it is in the drive. <robertf> i use an usb stick <charlie-tca> Did you burn to usb using usb-creator in 10.10? <robertf> charlie-tca: no, i only copy these files initrd.gz, vmlinuz, from natty repository to usb drive and the natty-desktop-i386.iso <charlie-tca> Then it won't work, as far as I know <robertf> i alsa created the syslinux.cfg and added default vmlinuz and append initrd=initrd.gz <charlie-tca> !burn <ubottu> CD/DVD Burning software: K3b (KDE), gnomebaker, brasero, serpentine, graveman, Nautilus-CD-Burner, GToaster, xcdroast (GNOME), wodim (terminal-based). Burning .iso files: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto <charlie-tca> !iso <ubottu> To mount an ISO disc image, type Â« sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> Â» - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning. <charlie-tca> well <robertf> the md5sum is correct <charlie-tca> yeah, those were wrong <charlie-tca> Might ask in #xubuntu, which is the support channel. they might have a better idea. <robertf> charlie-tca: thank you <charlie-tca> You are welcome <charlie-tca> Just ask your question and someone will answer if they can <charlie-tca> ochosi: by the way, the icons in "notification area" seem to shrink and grow randomly. Sometimes they are as big as the other icons, other times they are about 8px X 8px, which is really hard to see on 40opx panels <charlie-tca> well, 40px panels, even <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: by the way, I heard they are going to move apport to gtk3, too <mr_pouit> yeah, they're going to move all utils to gtk3 <charlie-tca> okay <charlie-tca> ochosi, mr_pouit : http://imagebin.org/126996 shows the gray text best. Also all dropdowns are gray on gray similar to the title bar <charlie-tca> http://imagebin.org/126992 for shrinking notification area icons * charlie-tca thinks they shrank completely now, they are gone <charlie-tca> ochosi: let me know it is my eyes, not the colors <micahg> charlie-tca: mr_pouit: FYI, it looks like there won't be any major gtk3 porting happening in natty <charlie-tca> thank you, micahg #xubuntu-devel 2010-12-09 <mhall119> is the xubuntu iso currently >700MB also? <charlie-tca> Good morning <mhall119> morning charlie-tca <mhall119> is the xubuntu iso currently >700MB also? <charlie-tca> yup <mhall119> any idea what's causing that? Or is this typical for alpha1 isos? <charlie-tca> Alternate is about the right size, but the desktop is oversize <charlie-tca> typical about this time <mhall119> ok <charlie-tca> caused by stuff from Ubuntu <mhall119> I got the latest daily downloaded last night, so I'm going to try my xdg-launcher on it <charlie-tca> did it install? <mhall119> I haven't tried it yet <charlie-tca> I can't log in today. GDM is broken <mhall119> I'll let you know when I do <mhall119> :( <mhall119> not a good thing to have broken <mhall119> can you at least ctrl+alt+f1, login as yourself, then startx? <charlie-tca> true, but only if you plan to use Nagtty <mhall119> or xtartxfce4 <charlie-tca> startx will work with sudo, but starts the xfce session instead of xubuntu <mhall119> start...blah <charlie-tca> I dropped down to maverick <mhall119> oh right, I think you just need to change the XDG_CONFIG_HOME and XDG_DATA_DIRS env variables to make it use the Xubuntu defaults <charlie-tca> I keep the latest release and the development release up to date until beta or rc <charlie-tca> If the development release breaks too bad for me, I just drop back to the stable release <charlie-tca> <pitti> sudo rm -r /etc/X11/Xsession.d/52libcanberra-gtk3-module_add-to-gtk-modules/ <charlie-tca> <pitti> that's actually the proper fix :-) <charlie-tca> heh, and that makes gdm work again <charlie-tca> whew! back in natty again <charlie-tca> ochosi: did you get the screenshots above? <scott-work> hi, i'm scott lavender, the lead for ubuntu studio, i am presuming that xubuntu will be using gnome2 as the default session, can someone help me determine how i can do this for the ubuntu studio images? <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: how do create the session for Xubuntu ? ^ ^ <charlie-tca> scott-work: actually, we use xfce, but it means a different session <scott-work> charlie-tca: DOH! <scott-work> lol <scott-work> i actually knew that, but am multi-tasking coupled with i'm a dough head sometimes :P <charlie-tca> mr_pouit or cody-somerville will know how to do what you want, though. <micahg_netbook> charlie-tca: good morning <charlie-tca> Good morning, micahg_netbook <charlie-tca> How are things looking today? <micahg_netbook> charlie-tca: ok, I have some weird things with xubuntu on my netbook with ubuntu-desktop installed <micahg_netbook> not sure what would happen w/out ubuntu-desktop <charlie-tca> It's a meta-package, it is safe to remove it <micahg_netbook> charlie-tca: I meant w/out the GNOME components ;) <charlie-tca> hm, that can be problematic <micahg_netbook> as in a pure xubuntu install <charlie-tca> Did you choose the xubuntu-session at GDM? <micahg_netbook> yes <charlie-tca> what kind of weird things? <micahg_netbook> well, multiple don't show this message when connecting to wireless networks <micahg_netbook> applications menu is squished like it should be the XFCE icon * micahg_netbook needs to file some bugs <charlie-tca> do you have both xfce-notifyd and gnome notifications installed? * micahg_netbook checks <charlie-tca> applications menu might have replaced gnome's menu <micahg_netbook> charlie-tca: neither actually <charlie-tca> heh <charlie-tca> That's different <micahg_netbook> notifications seem to work, this is maverick BTW <charlie-tca> still got to use something to display those notices <charlie-tca> With gnome changes, it gets harder and harder to get things to work right when adding ubuntu-desktop to xubuntu or Xubuntu-desktop to ubuntu <charlie-tca> notify-osd should be generating those <micahg_netbook> charlie-tca: yep <charlie-tca> Hard to do anything with the multiples, though <mhall119> /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.freedesktop.Notifications.service should tell you what program is providing the notifications service <mhall119> woot, xdg-launcher mostly works in Xubuntu <charlie-tca> :-) <mhall119> it runs anyway, but still not using the menu data I want it to be using <mhall119> still, it's progress <charlie-tca> agreed <ochosi> hey charlie-tca <ochosi> yes, got the screenshots <ochosi> to be honest i don't see any problems there... :/ <ochosi> the text is not black though, the color is 3C3C3C, if you like we can test black there <ochosi> charlie-tca: bbl <charlie-tca> ochosi: Please, let's test black text if we can <charlie-tca> I am looking at accessibility as much as everything else. I want to be able to say we got it right for everyone <charlie-tca> Xubuntu Community Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 30 minutes, agenda is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Mettings <charlie-tca> Well the agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings <charlie-tca> Xubuntu Community Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting now <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: ^ ^ ^ <mr_pouit> micahg: the main work is already "roughly" done in pkg-xfce's svn repo <micahg> mr_pouit: ok, idk how to grab packages from there <mr_pouit> it probably needs a bit of polishing (e.g. delete autogenerated autotools files), but you don't need to coordinate with debian for that <mr_pouit> and I can push your changes if really needed <mr_pouit> micahg: you can grab the full repo with 'svn co svn://linda89@example.com/svn/pkg-xfce/' <mr_pouit> (more on http://pkg-xfce.alioth.debian.org/) <micahg> mr_pouit: ok, so I do that, then test and upload? then update the wiki by moving to uploaded w/the ver #? <mr_pouit> for panel plugins, the version is not really useful, you can simply put it with the upload date, below the table yeah :) <micahg> ok <micahg> will try to do at least a couple this weekend <micahg> mr_pouit: why is xfce4 using 3.0 (native) instead of 3.0 (quilt)? <mr_pouit> it's a native metapackage, so 3.0 (quilt) isn't very useful <micahg> oh, hmm, I guess I misunderstood what it was :-/ <mr_pouit> micahg: it's a metapackage to install the mandatory packages for a basic xfce4 desktop <micahg> mr_pouit: right, that makes sense now <mr_pouit> (but we have xubuntu-desktop in ubuntu, so it's only useful when you want a very minimal install) <micahg> or if people don't want the xubuntu branding <mr_pouit> yep <mr_pouit> dinner time, bbl <charlie-tca> micahg: are we asking testing for thunderbird, or did you say to disregard that part/ <charlie-tca> ? <micahg> charlie-tca: well, it'll probably be pushed to Lucid today or tomorrow, so idk if it's worth putting out a call for testing, you can mention it as an update if you like that TB in Lucid is being upgraded to 3.1.7 <charlie-tca> okay <charlie-tca> thanks <micahg> charlie-tca: I'll make sure to coordinate with you for the next major update <charlie-tca> Works for me. <ochosi> charlie-tca: may i ask you a few things about the screenshot again? <charlie-tca> sure <ochosi> the "gray text in liferea" screenshot, where's readability the worst for you? <charlie-tca> The text area below the titles <ochosi> i mean the tree on the left showing your subscriptions should be fine, right? <ochosi> below what titles? <charlie-tca> Yes, that is okay, I don't have to see it often <charlie-tca> The main body of text <ochosi> you mean the "radioweather writes..." stuff? <charlie-tca> yup <ochosi> i see <charlie-tca> that appears to be a grey text, and it blurs after a little bit <ochosi> hm, well, it isn't black as stated earlier <ochosi> would you mind quickly testing the black? <charlie-tca> Happy to try it <charlie-tca> What happens is too many grays begin to blend together <ochosi> if you could edit your /usr/share/themes/greybird/gtk-2.0/gtkrc line 7 and make the "text_color:#000000" <ochosi> since it's only this one value involved it's easiest if you just try it <ochosi> then you have to reload the theme, meaning switching back and forth <charlie-tca> That changed the feeds to black <charlie-tca> and the titles above the text box <ochosi> yeah, it should in fact change all the text to black <charlie-tca> Maybe it did <ochosi> unless liferea doesn't adhere to the gtk-standards <ochosi> could you just post another comparable screenshot? <charlie-tca> My eyes are clouding again, makes it harder to see, but I like that <charlie-tca> Does it help if I say I can read it easier? <ochosi> hehe, sure <charlie-tca> https://imagebin.org/127182 <ochosi> i mean it's just more contrasty <charlie-tca> Sometimes that matters on the monitor <micahg> charlie-tca: TB 3.1.7 was just published to -security <charlie-tca> thanks, micahg <ochosi> hm, something doesn't work with the link you just posted... (404) <charlie-tca> http://imagebin.org/127182 <charlie-tca> Well, I have to go to a piano recital now. I will be back later. Thanks for trying, though <charlie-tca> That second link worked, right? <ochosi> yep, i'll try it for a while myself and then push the change to the mercurial repository <charlie-tca> Thank you <ochosi> no problem <ochosi> happy we're talking about stuff like this early enough #xubuntu-devel 2010-12-10 <charlie-tca> Well, that was just oodles of fun <charlie-tca> ochosi: a plus... more than 30 minutes of reading without blurring tonight. <ochosi> charlie-tca: okeydokey, sounds like making the text-color black is a win <ochosi> charlie-tca: i just pushed the change to the repository <charlie-tca> Good morning <davmor2> morning charlie-tca <charlie-tca> ochosi: Really glad we got things working earlier to even suggest possible changes this time! <charlie-tca> Hello, davmor2 <charlie-tca> Xubuntu Alternate images are the right size today <charlie-tca> Xubuntu alternate i386 fails to install; probably not ready yet :-( <ochosi> charlie-tca: yep, i just recently joined the discussion on ubuntu-art-ml <charlie-tca> Good! I am trying to understand just a little bit of what they try to tell me, but it isn't easy. <charlie-tca> ochosi: http://imagebin.org/127303 <charlie-tca> ochosi: might be a bad hilight color? <charlie-tca> The black stripe is hilighting a message to please enter your name; it only shows it hilighted if nothing was entered <charlie-tca> ochosi: Maybe we can blame that one on Thunderbird? <charlie-tca> micahg: is this generated by TBird or the theme used? <charlie-tca> http://imagebin.org/127303 <micahg> charlie-tca: I missed the first aprt <micahg> *part <charlie-tca> entering new accounts in Thunderbird <micahg> what about it <mr_pouit> ah, lightdm is in new <charlie-tca> really? <mr_pouit> yup <charlie-tca> making progress, then <charlie-tca> micahg: missed something there. When I enter a new account, if I skip the name, I get a black hilight saying enter name, I think. It actually shows up as a black stripe <micahg> charlie-tca: what video drier? <charlie-tca> nvidia hardware driver <micahg> charlie-tca: yeah, there are some nvidia issues w/Thunderbird <micahg> and Firefox for that matter <charlie-tca> I see. I set up thunderbird to check things out in natty. <micahg> charlie-tca: does the upstream build have the same issue? <charlie-tca> huh? <charlie-tca> and I would find out by... <micahg> charlie-tca: http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/, download into your home directory and decompress, then run <charlie-tca> looking <charlie-tca> That's 3.1.7 <charlie-tca> That's what I got in Natty already <charlie-tca> Or did Ubuntu make changes? <davmor2> charlie-tca: it could be a backend lib issue <charlie-tca> downloading <davmor2> charlie-tca: are both FF and TB effected <charlie-tca> I don't know. I don't know how to trigger hilighting in ff <charlie-tca> This is gray background, gray text, black hilight <davmor2> ouch <charlie-tca> heh, I guess that says it all lol <charlie-tca> It's kind of hard to read <micahg> davmor2: FF in which series? <micahg> davmor2: Firefox in natty is 4.0b7, also, we don't use system cairo for Firefox <micahg> so that might be affecting it as well <davmor2> charlie-tca: I think bug report with screenshot/screencast and mark it urgent :) <charlie-tca> checking the upstream version first <davmor2> charlie-tca: what the highlighting in other email clients like as well? claws for example <davmor2> that should help rule out theme issues <charlie-tca> white on gray hilight <charlie-tca> heh, you are right. <charlie-tca> I will switch themes and see, too, then <charlie-tca> Looks like the gtk theme <davmor2> charlie-tca: Yay! #xubuntu-devel 2010-12-11 <thorwil> how do i take a screenshot on xfce? <thorwil> ochosi: i was hoping i could have a look at greybird on xfce easily, but http://www.foopics.com/showfull/44a956824577cfef1f1477ffc07f8719 <thorwil> any idea on how to fix the appearance? i'm not willing to install lots xubuntu packages <TheSheep> thorwil: what do you want to fix? <thorwil> TheSheep: i want the look of xubuntu with greybird on my ubuntu install, so i can take a representative screenshot and provide feedback to ochosi <thorwil> obviously the panel and the widget theme are not right <TheSheep> thorwil: possibly you have some rules in your .gtkrc-2.0 <TheSheep> thorwil: or the panel background was set by another theme and when you switched stayed like that <TheSheep> thorwil: this something happens for me, I just switch between a couple of themes then <thorwil> renaming the .gtkrc-2.0 to hide and then switching theme did the trick <thorwil> TheSheep: thanks <charlie-tca> Good morning #xubuntu-devel 2010-12-12 <charlie-tca> Good morning <insomaniacal> Any devs on? <insomaniacal> fuck. <mr_pouit> ? <charlie-tca> did you miss the 2 second response time? <mr_pouit> yeah :P <TheSheep> don't worry, I'm pretty sure he had a support question <charlie-tca> We will never know now ;-) <j3mc> hi all <j3mc> it's really j1mc, but i'm on free wifi that apparently blocks irc <j3mc> so i had to join via the freenode webchat <j3mc> i will share this with "Dan the Man" (? I think that's his name . . . ), but I'm looking to refactor the Xubuntu docs <j3mc> I think we can repurpose pretty much all of the content, but I would like to reorganize things and make it easier for people to find what they are looking for. <j3mc> Here is a screenshot of what I have worked up so far: http://yfrog.com/3vthexubuntuhelpguide008p <j3mc> Some of the sections are cut-off, so you can't see them. <j3mc> I'm going to push them to an experimental branch for now, but the silly wifi here apparently blocks SSH? <charlie-tca> Fantastic idea! will it make it easier to maintain? <j3mc> charlie-tca: here we go: bzr branch lp:~jwcampbell/+junk/xubuntu-mallard <charlie-tca> j3mc: think the guy is "Book_em_Dano" on IRC <j3mc> charlie-tca: yes, that's his name <j3mc> yes, i think it would be easier to maintain <charlie-tca> Good. We like easy. <j3mc> i *just* pushed to that branch, so it may take a few minutes to sync up. if you want to view it / play w/ it . . . you could pull the branch, then do "yelp xubuntu-mallard/" <j3mc> the docs are viewable in yelp, but would be converted to html for the actual docs <charlie-tca> Okay, I will try. I am pretty bad in bzr, though <charlie-tca> I like the html part <j3mc> just doing "bzr branch lp:~jwcampbell/+junk/xubuntu-mallard" and then "yelp xubuntu-mallard/" should do it <charlie-tca> I will try <charlie-tca> Thanks for doing that, j3mc <j3mc> yw, charlie-tca - i hope that Book 'em Danno is open to this <charlie-tca> me too <j3mc> i'm going to work on it just a bit more, and will send a note out to the mailing list. <charlie-tca> That does look nicer ! * charlie-tca managed to get the file downloaded * charlie-tca installed Dropbox, tired of fighting with UbuntuOne without Gnome <j3mc> charlie-tca: ah, yes, i had a good experience with dropbox when i was using it <charlie-tca> heh, I been fighting with UbuntuOne for about a year now, and it doesn't work <j3mc> i'm headed offline for a bit, but will send a note out about the docs a little later today. <charlie-tca> Okay, have a good day! <j3mc> you, too! thanks, charlie <charlie-tca> ochosi: is it intended that the sliders have no defined area; it blends into the background - <charlie-tca> ochosi: http://imgebin.org/127621 bottom and shortcuts sliders defined by arrows only #xubuntu-devel 2010-12-13 <ochosi> charlie-tca: hey <ochosi> charlie-tca: unfortunately the slider-screenshot is not online anymore <ochosi> charlie-tca: about the other thing: that's clearly thunderbird's fault :) <charlie-tca> ochosi: http://imagebin.org/127621 <charlie-tca> ochosi: the shrinking icons appears to be something in xfce4.9 panel <charlie-tca> s/xfce4.9/xfce4.8 <ochosi> charlie-tca: hm, what exactly on that screenshot? <ochosi> ah right <ochosi> now i get it <ochosi> you mean the scrollbars <ochosi> yeah, that's the idea that they blend in with the background <charlie-tca> yeah, the area for them is blended <ochosi> it's a design decision <charlie-tca> but the arrows help <charlie-tca> Okay, That's what I wanted to know. <ochosi> yeah, i didn't have those in earlier versions <ochosi> but obviously without arrows you have problems with ooffice and firefox <charlie-tca> and thunar, too <ochosi> really? <ochosi> i mean: having no arrows *breaks* openoffice <ochosi> you can't use the scrollbars anymore <charlie-tca> ouch. <charlie-tca> Thunar doesn't break without them, but it is harder to use the scrollbars if you blend into the background and have to grab the slider bar to scroll. I seldom hit those, it is easier to click the mouse to scroll. <charlie-tca> My hands are not steady enough to try and move the mouse to scroll <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: alternate 386 installs today! first time since the alpha1 release <ochosi> charlie-tca: right, well as long as they are ok the way they are now i'm happy :) <charlie-tca> They are quite usable the way you have them. :-) <ochosi> what do you think about the window-manager theme? <charlie-tca> I like it. I would like a little more definition when looking at both active and inactive windows, but so far, it is real good. <charlie-tca> It isn't something that has to change, though <ochosi> ok, it's just a preliminary theme, it could be modified/exchanged <charlie-tca> I think the color is good. I have been using it and the icon set both <ochosi> ok, that's good to heat <ochosi> s/heat/hear <ochosi> i think mr_pouit preferres elementary, because it's not as colourful as faenza <ochosi> but maybe i can discuss this in more detail with him when he's around <charlie-tca> hm, I don't know. I have to have icons that I can distinguish, and elementary doesn't work for me. <charlie-tca> But, that is minor, I can go with either set <ochosi> mhm <ochosi> well for me the main point is that the theme we're using is xfce-complete <ochosi> for visual consistency <charlie-tca> Yes, agreed <ochosi> but i think we can achieve that for either theme <ochosi> so in the end we can have a vote or something <charlie-tca> Edubuntu said they won't go with faenza now because too many others are using it <ochosi> a-ha <ochosi> that argument is a bit strange in my opinion <charlie-tca> yup <ochosi> i think we should go with what works best, not with what distinguishes us most <ochosi> otherwise we could just as well use the highcontrast-theme :p <charlie-tca> I prefer the idea it is the best for our use, not the best for everyone else. * charlie-tca would not mind the highcontrast, but it probably is not ideal for most people <ochosi> hehe <ochosi> yeah, i agree <charlie-tca> besides, that is easy enough to change. <ochosi> you mean for the end-user? <charlie-tca> yes <ochosi> sure <charlie-tca> If they really don't like what we give them, they can change it easily. Most won <charlie-tca> t, but hey, ... <charlie-tca> We just give them the best things we can for starting off. If they choose to keep them, that is great! <ochosi> yep <mr_pouit> yay, +1 for finding an icon theme that nobody uses ;> <mr_pouit> hey there <ochosi> hey mr_pouit <ochosi> o/ <charlie-tca> Good Morning, mr_pouit <charlie-tca> I heard a rumor that Ubuntu might use faenza, too, but it just a rumor <ochosi> seriously? where did you hear that? <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: ah, good for the alternate cd :) <charlie-tca> I don't remember, probably heard it on identi.ca <mr_pouit> is there a "shrinking icons" issue? In the systray? <charlie-tca> Going to try all the images today <ochosi> mr_pouit: you once said that faenza is too colorfull for you, would you like to specify that a bit? (i mean the toolbar and the panel are obviously monochrome. so everything else? or just the apps?) <charlie-tca> Yes, mr_pouit. The icons shrink until they disappear, or get so small they are no longer visible. <charlie-tca> That is in the panel, not the theme <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: I noticed that with xfce4-panel 4.7, icons in the systray are much smaller, but they are still visible here. Do you have a screenshot of that? <mr_pouit> ochosi: it was only when opening the apps menu yeah <charlie-tca> sure, let me upload the image <ochosi> mr_pouit: mm, so you mean the category-icons or the apps as well? <mr_pouit> ochosi: when opening the menu, I felt there was no theme identity, only a set of apps icons (i.e. no consistency, lots of different colors) <ochosi> mhm <ochosi> is that the same with app-finder? <mr_pouit> I'll retry faenza-xfce this evening then :) <ochosi> it's true that the ap-icon "consistency" mainly stems from the fact that they're all square-shaped :) <ochosi> okeydokey, thanks. i really appreciate some feedback here <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: http://imagebin.org/127713 are the small icons <charlie-tca> http://imagebin.org/127714 are the missing icons a few hours later the same day. Nothing was done to the computer, not even updates <mr_pouit> eek, ok <mr_pouit> I think you can report that upstream directly <charlie-tca> okay <ochosi> brr, doesn't look nice <mr_pouit> with a 24px panel, my icon aren't so mall <mr_pouit> *small <charlie-tca> huh? <charlie-tca> my panel is 40px <mr_pouit> maybe there's a miscalculation in the ratio <charlie-tca> and here is today's size - http://imagebin.org/127716 <mr_pouit> http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6950 maybe <mr_pouit> yeah, it looks like your issue <charlie-tca> It does. I will attach the pics to it <mr_pouit> or http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6892 <charlie-tca> look like duplicate reports. They are both the same issue <mr_pouit> yep <mr_pouit> anyway, regardless of my opinion on faenza (:p), I think
{'channel': 'xubuntu-devel', 'month': 12}