#ubuntu-us-ca 2011-02-01 <jbermudes> pleia2: If there's a slot of time that you need covered I think I can help out :-) <pleia2> jbermudes: we don't really have time slots sorted out yet because no schedule has been published yet, I think we're just going to get a pool of volunteers and we'll figure out on site who is covering what <jbermudes> ok, so I can just put my name down for now? <jbermudes> on the wiki <pleia2> yeah, add it to the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x <pleia2> did you buy your ticket yet? <jbermudes> not yet <pleia2> I can give you an exhibitor pass to get in free <pleia2> just give me your email addy and I'll send details <jbermudes> oh, thanks! That'd be awesome <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x edited <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x edited <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11January30 edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Menu edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/Current edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings edited * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-ca to: "Welcome to the Ubuntu California Local Community (LoCo) Team! | Webpage: http://ubuntu-california.org (has links to mailing list, forum, and more!) | Next Meeting: Sunday, Feb 13th, 7:00pm PST | This channel is publicly rhonda96@example.net | We have an unlogged channel at #ubuntu-us-ca-offtopic" <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11February27 edited <pleia2> thanks jdeslip :) <jono> jdeslip, hey <jono> jdeslip, ping me when you are back :-) <nhaines> Morning, jono! <kdub_> pleia2: i bought a scale9x badge, do i still need one of those special passes? <jono> hey nhaines! <nhaines> jono: I'm looking forward to SCaLE again this year. They talked me into speaking but only for 5 minutes. ;) <jono> nhaines, awesome :-) <nhaines> I figure if I can do 5 minutes at LRL USA, I can do 5 minutes with slides at the UpSCaLE talks. :) <pleia2> kdub_: no, but the special passes do say "exhibitor" on them, if you'd like we can get your badge changed to say that (but refunds are difficult, I paid for mine and requested exhibitor be added) <pleia2> it's not really a big deal though <kdub_> eh, i dont think i need a refund, but would like that to be added if possible <pleia2> kdub_: ok, I'll see what I can do to get it added :) <kdub_> thanks, that wolud be cool <nhaines> Aww, my talk abstract is 1024 bytes but only with the tagline. <MarkDude> http://picasaweb.google.com/tuxwingsgroup/FUDcon#5568817889103927714 <MarkDude> Jeff wore his Ubuntu California Team shirt to FUDcon, pretty much everyone was cool with it :) <pleia2> why wouldn't they be? fedora people are our friends :) * pleia2 sees amber and larry! <jdeslip> @jono - What's up? <jono> jdeslip, hey! <jono> will msg you <MarkDude> pleia2, I know ;) <MarkDude> My Fedora install died <MarkDude> So did my Puppy <MarkDude> So I had to use Ubuntu :D <MarkDude> I did hear a "get him" when it made the startup sound during a meeting tho <jono> MarkDude, can ou see my email, re. CLS <MarkDude> jono, I replied <MarkDude> Nushio from Latin America worethe penguin suit while doing Dance dance revolution http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a_jA3kwI2M <MarkDude> My original suit is now headed for Venezuela,and I have a new one being shipped :D * MarkDude is exporting his craziness <jono> thanks MarkDude :-) <MarkDude> the house canbe used for a planning sessionmaybe- Ryan may evenget a loft <MarkDude> Nixie said she will help promote it also <MarkDude> http://cloudcamp.org/siliconvalley <MarkDude> Jedahan - as well as others may want to go to this #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-02-02 * pleia2 adds all important http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004I0992S to scale wiki <akk> pleia2: Need! :) <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x edited <seidos> hi all. is anyone here a motu? or interested in packaging? <pleia2> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ <pleia2> unfortunately no option for time zone yet (makes it difficult for us to use) - but they are aware and trying to think through a solution :) <jdeslip> seidos: I have an app that I wrote that I am interested in getting into the repo's sometime soon <pleia2> jdeslip: jono get ahold of you? <jdeslip> pleia2: Yep <pleia2> cool, going? :) <akk> Is there some event going on where developers can get their apps into the repos? :) <pleia2> dunno what seidos was talking about, but I recommended jono talk to jdeslip re: the dev tools review next week <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x edited <jdeslip> Ya, I think <jdeslip> I think so <jdeslip> I feel so weighed down everytime I install a windows-VM - it is such a commitment, keeping it patched :/ * akk is really curious what these dev tools will be, looking forward to finding out <akk> (and hoping being a command-line-text-editor-geek doesn't cause problems) <DarkwingDuck> Hey guys <pleia2> evening DarkwingDuck :) <jdeslip> Hey DarkwingDuck <jdeslip> I booked my tickets and hotel room for scale! I'm excited to finally meet people <jdeslip> Visiting my GF's family in LA on Sunday, though. Will only be at the conference Fri-Sat <pleia2> the booth is just up Sat-Sun <jdeslip> Ya, I thought so. So, I'll have to miss the Sunday session <jdeslip> The other thing that brings me down about installing a windows-VM is the oracle logo that is now all over vbox <pleia2> yeah :( <jdeslip> I really wish my advisor didn't love obscure office features <pleia2> heh <akk> what a drag! <jdeslip> I am going to be happy in 11.04 when there is no longer an oracle logo on the built-in office suite <DarkwingDuck> I need to find a hotel. You staying at the Hilton? <jdeslip> Ya, staying at hilton <pleia2> the conference rate is $110 <DarkwingDuck> How much was it a night? <DarkwingDuck> 110 a night? <pleia2> yeah <jdeslip> I almost hotwire-ed it. They had a 4star option for $79. But, I was worried it wouldn't be the Hilton or close enough to it. <DarkwingDuck> 110 a night isn't bad.. I'll have to book that when I get my next unemployment check <pleia2> yeah "airport hotels" always tend to be scattered over a 10 mile radius from the airport <DarkwingDuck> LOL <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale9x/hotel-info <DarkwingDuck> Wonder if there is a bus/train station near there. <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x edited <jbermudes> DarkwingDuck: yes, there is <jbermudes> where are you coming from? * kdub_ is happy to avoid that big snowstorm back east :) <pleia2> they've been having quite the winter * akk looks out at lovely sunny day (if not quite warm yet) <kdub_> what part of the state do you live in, akk? <akk> kdub_: San Jose. <akk> Anybody know when UpScale is? Are they Friday night again? I can't find any mention on the website, either on the schedule or special events, or in the emailed schedule announcement that mentions them. <nhaines> akk: if you have a good heater you can fake "warm". :) <nhaines> I don't think they know when UpScale is yet. Hopefully not on Friday, but I guess all the BOFs would be Saturday so.... donno. :) * MarkDude thinksone of his talks will be an Upscale, so I want to find out when they are :) <akk> I want to submit an upscale proposal, but I can't make it if it's Friday night. <nhaines> akk: I'll ask for you. <akk> Thanks! <nhaines> akk: UpScale is going to be on Friday, 25 February, at 8pm. <akk> Ah, thanks. <akk> (darn) <nhaines> yeah. :( <akk> View->Page style->No style greatly improves the contrast on the SCALE schedule page. <nhaines> akk: what was your talk going to be? <akk> My hypothetical UpScale talk? I hadn't decided ... I had 3-4 topics I was kicking around. <akk> I have a vague idea involving FOSS communities and forests I've been wanting to try, and a more focused one on browser privacy. <nhaines> Ah. Mine's called "Advocacy for Advocates" and will be about how to effectively talk bout free software. <nhaines> communities and forests sounds interesting. :) <nhaines> Let's just say if I can manage to cram http://xkcd.com/619/ in there I will. :) <akk> Haha :) <akk> So things like advocating the wrong things to the wrong people? <seidos> hi all. if anyone is interested, i have been investigating distributed web hosting solutions (p2p). i found two unhosted.org and pagekite.net. <iheartubuntu> So I would like to go to the SCALE conference coming up, but not sure what I will do there :) Do I listen in to speeches? Do I help Ubuntu table? What can I do? Ive never been to a linux conference before. <pleia2> I think most of us will be doing both <pleia2> we'll probably sort out shifts when we all arrive so we can attend the talks we want and still cover the booth <iheartubuntu> was there a talk list posted? I checked a couple weeks again and didnt see anything <pleia2> http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale9x/schedule <pleia2> it's not final and is subject to change <iheartubuntu> ahh its up! cool <iheartubuntu> thanks <iheartubuntu> do you know what "la jolla", "carmel" "los angeles A" all means? are these rooms or different cities <pleia2> room names <akk> also cities <pleia2> akk: referring to the SCALE schedule chart :) <pleia2> and "SCALE U" is the one you pay $300 for <iheartubuntu> so its not like i have to drive from carmel to to century city :) <pleia2> right :) <akk> Yes, at SCALE they definitely don't mean you have to drive an hour and a half to the city of La Jolla, or 5 hours to Carmel. :) <iheartubuntu> whew <iheartubuntu> is the ubuntu booth for ubuntu or is about ubuntu CA? does the table need any help? <pleia2> iheartubuntu: ubuntu california, and yes more volunteers would be good :) <iheartubuntu> what can i do to help? <iheartubuntu> i would only be available on saturday, possibly sunday <iheartubuntu> :| <pleia2> stand at the booth, give out CDs, tell people about ubuntu, help answer questions people have <pleia2> give demos on the demo systems we'll have there <iheartubuntu> am i capable? :) i can use terminal but im not totally savvy on terminal commands <iheartubuntu> im a noob when it comes to conferences <pleia2> you don't need to use a terminal :) <pleia2> (in fact, probably want to avoid it!) <iheartubuntu> :P * pleia2 bites into giant glob of wasabi mayo <pleia2> yowzaouch <iheartubuntu> ok. i will confer with wifey whats up and when i can be available. she has classes so i have to figure it all out when im avail <iheartubuntu> pencil me in anyways. do i talk to you about this Liz? <pleia2> iheartubuntu: you can add your name to the volunteer list on the bottom of the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x <pleia2> and let me know soon if you decide to come, I can get you one of our get-in-free exhibitor passes for the conference <iheartubuntu> Im definitely going saturday. definitely not on friday and a small maybe on sunday <pleia2> ok, can you send me an email? I'll reply with the exhibitor info so you can register <pleia2> rhonda96@example.net <kdub_> pleia2: should i send an email as well? * kdub_ wishes Scale was in LaJolla, i could ride my bike there then :) <pleia2> kdub_: nah, I just need to nudge Gareth to update your badge <kdub_> alright, thanks pleia2 <iheartubuntu> ok email sent <pleia2> Wednesday, 02/02/2011 at 2:13 P.M. <pleia2> w00t, I have giant penguin * pleia2 will have to go downstairs and get it in a bit <pleia2> last night the boyfriend asks "so do we get to deflate it after events, or will we now have a 4ft inflatable penguin living with us?" <jamiedmattingly> you have to post a pic of you with the penguin somewhere pleia2 <pleia2> ok, I'll do that once I get the air pump (should be here in a few days) <jamiedmattingly> that should be a funny sight <kdub_> anyone know of any hackerspaces in southern california? <iheartubuntu> wait, you arent going to manually pump it up? <pleia2> iheartubuntu: nah, it's a little electric one :) <iheartubuntu> so no pics of you kissing the penguin <DarkwingDuck> hehehe <pleia2> lol <DarkwingDuck> Well... do we know anyone with loads of air to blow up the penguin? :P:P <iheartubuntu> so i see 3 computers? <iheartubuntu> hes not here right now <DarkwingDuck> oh pleia2... I'll be spliting time between Ubuntu and KDE <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: good point, I could invite mark<tab> darnit, I can't make fun of him when he's not here <DarkwingDuck> booths at Scale <DarkwingDuck> LOL <DarkwingDuck> My computer *might* vanish from time to time depending on the KDE booth. <iheartubuntu> someone i know has raffle tix. i will check around. i just dont remember who! <pleia2> iheartubuntu: I am bringing raffle tickets <iheartubuntu> ohh ok <iheartubuntu> whats a demo box? a computer? <iheartubuntu> presentation box? <pleia2> computer <DarkwingDuck> Although, it would be nice to have 4 computers <pleia2> I haven't figured out whether I'm going to pile tons of booth stuff in checked luggage or make grantbow drag it all down for me in a carpool <iheartubuntu> i'll see if i can get a laptop there <pleia2> checked luggage gets knocked around a lot :\ <DarkwingDuck> Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu and Lubuntu <DarkwingDuck> You flying pleia2? <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: yeah <DarkwingDuck> pleia2: ahhhh <DarkwingDuck> Is the boyfriend going to be able to make it? <iheartubuntu> whats a presentation box? <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: yep! :) <iheartubuntu> another comp? <DarkwingDuck> ARRRRRGH <pleia2> iheartubuntu: I'm not sure <rww> I am. One sec while I find the link. <pleia2> thanks rww <DarkwingDuck> Why would someone make Kubuntu Documentation and KDE Documentation under different licenses? <rww> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/ConferenceBox <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: to make the new kubuntu doc lead say "ARRRRRGH" <rww> tl;dr: stuff that'd we'd want at any conference, and thus would group together and just bring it every time <iheartubuntu> so we also need some CDs with Ubuntu on them? <DarkwingDuck> I have a bunch of CDs <DarkwingDuck> pre burned ones <DarkwingDuck> I think it was 100 Ubuntu and 100 Kubuntu <rww> it's probably partially redundant with the list of stuff y'all wrote down as bringing to SCaLE <DarkwingDuck> You coming down again rww? <pleia2> rww: yeah, I'll have to compare the lists and see what we need <rww> DarkwingDuck: nope, my schedule's too bust <rww> busy <DarkwingDuck> rww: :( I was looking forward to AM/PM again :P:P <pleia2> I've got about 75 Ubuntu CDs too <rww> working two jobs doesn't lend itself to time off :( <iheartubuntu> TWO... ugggh <pleia2> (from Canonical) <rww> (plus being in the middle of dealing with college application stuff) <DarkwingDuck> I also have ALL the ISOs downloaded <rww> good. that was a pain in the backside last time <DarkwingDuck> Ubuntu, Lubuntu, Xubuntu, Kubuntu, UbuntuStudio, Edubuntu and Ubuntu Server both (i86 and 64 bit) <pleia2> -alt? :) <DarkwingDuck> No <DarkwingDuck> I could though. <DarkwingDuck> If we need the alts? <DarkwingDuck> If we want them. <pleia2> maybe for the big 4 <rww> some people will want them <iheartubuntu> is SCALE held at this location every year? <rww> bad graphics hardware :( <DarkwingDuck> No <DarkwingDuck> Yeah. <rww> iheartubuntu: this year's a new location <DarkwingDuck> I'll get them then. <pleia2> eek, it's late, I need to get back to actually working <DarkwingDuck> Because the bandwidth at Scale, for lack of a better term... sucks. <iheartubuntu> Pasadena would have been a great choice. Easy to access via light rail and tons of nice areas to walk. stores, restaurants, etc <DarkwingDuck> Chinese new year edition of Ubuntu? <rww> (SCaLE 6x, 7x, and 8x were at the Westin Hotel) <DarkwingDuck> Ohhhhh, we will need some blank DVDs as well <DarkwingDuck> Ubuntu Studio and MythUbuntu are DVD sized one. <DarkwingDuck> *Only <iheartubuntu> when making an ubuntu wiki personal page, do i use my launchpad name? <rww> opinions are split as to whether you should use your realname or your LP name. I'd go with LP, may as well be consistant. <iheartubuntu> ok ty rww <iheartubuntu> Cannot make wiki page... "You are not allowed to edit this page." <iheartubuntu> logging in might help <iheartubuntu> DUH <iheartubuntu> its not even 10pm yet! <akk> iheartubuntu: This year's a new hotel for SCALE, but it's basically the same location, just down the street. <akk> And I agree Pasadena would be fantastic. <akk> I guess they use LAX to optimize for people flying in from long distances. <iheartubuntu> iven ever stopped anywhere near the airport, but from memory theres not a heck of a lot to do outside of the airport there <iheartubuntu> even downtown LA would be better <akk> Yeah, it's hard to find lunch places nearby, and the traffic getting there is horrible. #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-02-03 <iheartubuntu> no good rail lines nearby really either <iheartubuntu> Pasadena has the gold line coming from downtown LA and its a quick jump from LAX to LA or even LAX to Pasadena <iheartubuntu> how can I get the new ubuntu wiki look on my page? <iheartubuntu> mine still looks like the old style <nhaines> Wait, the booth is going to be for the LoCo and not Ubuntu? Does SCaLE know? <pleia2> we used the ubuntu california banner last year, was that a problem? <pleia2> and tshirts <nhaines> pleia2: No, but the LoCo was there running the booth to represent the Ubuntu project. <pleia2> well yes, that's what LoCos do :) <pleia2> I don't think there is a problem with using the california banner and giving out info about the team too <pleia2> (I've never heard of this being a problem anywhere else) <nhaines> Well, sure, but the booth was for the Ubuntu project, the LoCo being a subset of that. <DarkwingDuck> We did that last year. <DarkwingDuck> Handed out LoCo info but, the main focus of the booth was Ubuntu Project * pleia2 nods <DarkwingDuck> I remember answering LOADs of questions RE Kubuntu and KDE <pleia2> nhaines: there is no need to argue about semantics <nhaines> pleia2: with due respect, I don't think that's down to semantics. <DarkwingDuck> What's the issue? <pleia2> I don't know <DarkwingDuck> nhaines: what's wrong? <DarkwingDuck> nhaines: why do you think we are not representing Ubuntu the Project? <iheartubuntu> I mean the entire California Team is all about Ubuntu. I dont see a prob. Its not liek the model railroad group is pushing Ubuntu. The Ubuntu California Team is pushing ubuntu <akk> I I thought so too -- if we're representing ubuntu-california we're representing ubuntu, surely? <akk> Isn't that the point of locos? <pleia2> yep <DarkwingDuck> The Booth is the Ubuntu California Team spreading Ubuntu the Project. <DarkwingDuck> I'm ont sure how you can read anything else in that... I'm a bit confused nhaines <DarkwingDuck> s/ont/not * kdub_ will start the ubuntu and model railroads group <kdub_> trainbuntu <pleia2> lol <rww> choobuntu <pleia2> kdub_++ <DarkwingDuck> LOL <pleia2> rww: hahaha <iheartubuntu> dont laugh there is a some train games available <iheartubuntu> choo choo! <rww> openttd <3 <kdub_> i've played openttd <akk> There's also an open-source model train controller package available. <akk> Interview on FLOSS Weekly a few months ago. :) <kdub_> i like how the graphics are cpu based, and when you make the window smaller, the game speeds up <iheartubuntu> ri-li is a nice train game for kids <iheartubuntu> like the blue train toy. i forget the name <pleia2> akk: neat! what a nice excuse to get into model trains :) <pleia2> (if I had space, which I don't) <pleia2> I don't use my kitchen for cooking anyway... <iheartubuntu> model train controller? do tell! <akk> iheartubuntu: Search for back issues of FLOSS Weekly. I don't remember the details. <iheartubuntu> ive tried OpenBVE before <akk> But it was an interesting interview, all about the copyright battles he fought when a commercial company tried to steal the GPL source then sue the FOSS project. <kdub_> seems like that wouldnt get very far in court <rww> a good lawyer and money will get you surprisingly far. <rww> see also: SCO <akk> It went for a long time, and cost the folks in the FOSS project a lot of money. <kdub_> yeah, unfortunate <akk> With lawsuits, it doesn't matter if it makes sense, what matters is if the other side can afford lawyers. :( <iheartubuntu> are computers needed for the booth? I might be able to bring a netbook while im available. <iheartubuntu> Ri-Li is addictive. Especially after a beer or two. <pleia2> ah, I misunderstood iheartubuntu's question when I said it was a loco booth <pleia2> I was responding with who was running it, not what the booth was actually about <iheartubuntu> i had a question? <MarkDude> The laptop <rww> iheartubuntu: your wiki account is set to use the old layout. There should be a link somewhere in the top header to change user preferences, I forget what it's called <iheartubuntu> rww - i found out that when im not logged in, it looks like the new layout <rww> (themes are a property of your login, not of pages, so other people will see it in their theme preference or the default one if logged out) * rww nods <pleia2> iheartubuntu: < iheartubuntu> is the ubuntu booth for ubuntu or is about ubuntu CA? <nhaines> pleia2: thank you for clarifying that. I appreciate it. <pleia2> my response should have been DarkwingDuck's response: < DarkwingDuck> The Booth is the Ubuntu California Team spreading Ubuntu the Project. <pleia2> I assumed your question was about who was running it, not what it's about (in my head of course it's about Ubuntu, but I guess that's not obvious) <pleia2> nhaines: sure thing :) sorry about that <pleia2> (there have been conferences where there is a Canonical-run Ubuntu booth AND a LoCo run Ubuntu booth, confusion abounds) <iheartubuntu> so there will be other flavors of linux there <iheartubuntu> and ours is the best <pleia2> I know KDE will have a booth, I think Fedora will have a booth too <rww> iheartubuntu: no. Ubuntu has a different focus than most other distributions, and is thus right for a different set of people. <rww> For some people, Debian, Fedora, or even Windows would be a better pick. <pleia2> (long live Debian!) <DarkwingDuck> Gnome will most likly have a booth <iheartubuntu> what is ubuntu's focus compared to other distros? <DarkwingDuck> last year Gnome and KDE handed out Ubuntu and Kubuntu CDs <pleia2> iheartubuntu: easy desktop + debian framework (there is server and cloud stuff too, but I'm still unconvinced, sssshhh don't tell anyone) <DarkwingDuck> LOL <iheartubuntu> my ubuntuone never has worked <pleia2> for people who like RPMs more something like Fedora really may be a better option <rww> iheartubuntu: different people will say different things, but imho a polished and easy-to-use experience that's accessible to new users in particular. See <DarkwingDuck> I have found that Ubuntu tries to simplify and automate things very very very well <iheartubuntu> i just moved back to dropbox <rww> s/See// <pleia2> I still just have a bunch of rsync scripts going to a colo <rww> I rsync to an external hard drive for backups. Haven't felt the need to put all my stuff online yet. <pleia2> yeah, I do that too <pleia2> desktop > desktop2 > colo in fremont <pleia2> although colo in fremont is much less awesome now than when I was living in philly <pleia2> an earthquake now could take out me AND my offsite backups <nhaines> We have had curious vistors who've never used Linux before pointed to our booth from other distros and really astonished at the positive feeling and lack of "competition" between the distros. We would do really well to be a part of that. <DarkwingDuck> I write an ISO from my HD and have it on two seperate serves. :) <DarkwingDuck> nhaines: +1 <pleia2> yeah, we want to avoid the competitive feel as much as possible <nhaines> That's going to be something that really blows away newcomers. They're used to Microsoft and Apple sniping at each other. <rww> the point of an Ubuntu booth is to showcase Ubuntu. that means saying good things about Ubuntu, not bad things about not-Ubuntu :) <nhaines> Besides, there are so many good things to say about not-Ubuntu (Free and proprietary alike) that we shouldn't waste our time being negative. <nhaines> Remember, SCaLE's theme this year is "Open Source: Rising to New Heights". <erichammond> I just filled out a survey on my happiness with Microsoft products and I praised their keyboard which I am using :) <pleia2> kdub_: your ticket is an exhibitor one now :) <pleia2> I have an IBM keyboard, but my Microsoft mouse is kickin' <pleia2> simple and works great * pleia2 pets mouse <nhaines> I paid $140 for my wireless Microsoft keyboard/mouse combo. Nothing wrong with their rhonda96@example.net. :) <rww> I've used Microsoft mice for years and years. Used to use Microsoft keyboards too, but this Logitech one was cheaper last time I needed a replacement... <nhaines> Logitech is also good and last I knew was the base for the Zareason Linux keyboards. <pleia2> oh, after 5, errand time <iheartubuntu> my gateway mouse still works fine. i expect them to go under or get bought out this year <nhaines> iheartubuntu: I think those are licensed by Microsoft. <iheartubuntu> it doesnt say on the bottom. feels similar to an ms mouse though. its one of the first optical ones <nhaines> They used to be, anyway. <iheartubuntu> has anyone heard of "geocaching"? <iheartubuntu> t.y. for the pdf pleia2 <jedahan> pleia2, MarkDude, any suggestions for a killer bar or place to have dinner with an attraction? <pleia2> unfortunately I am the most uncool person in the city <pleia2> all the places I know about are breweries, and those aren't very datey (unless your date likes beer and pub food) <pleia2> went here with my boyfriend's co-workers once though, it's pretty cool: http://www.absinthe.com/ <pleia2> their cocktails are pretty exciting <MarkDude> Northbeach has a few places to go to that are fun <MarkDude> Depends day or night also <jedahan> not for a date, more for a group of people from the hostel trying to fill/find a fun place <jedahan> around 10pm <pleia2> unfortunately the city closes at 10PM <jedahan> -.- :( <pleia2> seriously though, there are plenty of clubs and bars (and strip clubs), but I don't know of much beyond that <pleia2> everything else closes early <MarkDude> Sam Wo is open until 3am <MarkDude> in China town <MarkDude> near Northbeach if you want to walk- or drive <iheartubuntu> pleia2: I should be available for all 3 days <iheartubuntu> All day each day <pleia2> iheartubuntu: cool, the booth is just up sat&sun <iheartubuntu> Ohh ok <iheartubuntu> What's going on Friday? <pleia2> a few talk tracks, just no expo <pleia2> (expo is where our booth is) <jedahan> we are gonna check out mission I guess <jedahan> northbeach looks cool (rogue bar, awesome) but I heard its dead on the weekdays <iheartubuntu> Do we need any help sat or sun morning setting up or whatever <pleia2> rogue bar is yummy yummy <jedahan> <3 dead guy ale, havent tried anything else <pleia2> dead guy ale is great, but some of their bigger ales are too <iheartubuntu> Is that up on bay area? <pleia2> and they have some mean imperials <pleia2> iheartubuntu: yeah, rogue is oregon brewery but they have an ale house in SF <pleia2> iheartubuntu: we will probably need help setting up both mornings, but I think we'll get together on friday and play things by ear a bit <iheartubuntu> Any plans after expo each nite? <iheartubuntu> Is registration or checkin on fri? <pleia2> I am turning in to the wrong person to ask, I've been to conferences before but never this particular one :) <iheartubuntu> :) <iheartubuntu> Sorry <pleia2> others here have been though, maybe one of them is lurking <iheartubuntu> Maybe Nathan has tips * pleia2 off to finish dishes & things <iheartubuntu> "Registration Payment Receipt" -"Step 7 of 7". So Im registered for SCALE? That was easy. <nhaines> Well, last year I went out to dinner with Michael and Michelle Hall and we talked a little about Qimo but mostly about raising kids. <nhaines> And LinuxChix were there too I believe. <nhaines> akk: good morning! <akk> Morning, nhaines <nhaines> Someone on the WD Community forums complained that the MOTD on his My Book Live was reset on every bootup and said this was a "stupid and unnecessary feature." <nhaines> So I replied and said this was default behavior on all Debian systems, and that I did not recommend changing any system files on a network appliance, but if I were going to I would read the motd.tail manpage first. And then I still wouldn't change anything. <nhaines> Wonder what'll happen. <nhaines> Yay, natty alpha 2 seems to be out. <kdub_> neato <kdub_> i dont run alphas anymore though <nhaines> kdub_: that's what virtual machines and secondary systems are for. <kdub_> my computers are all too slow for virtual machines :) <nhaines> kdub_: you can still capture the classic DOS experience that way. :) <pleia2> kdub_: did you see my message yesterday? your badge is updated with exhibitor <kdub_> oh, excellent :D, thanks! <pleia2> sure :) <kdub_> nhaines: i dont know if i want the classic DOS experience back <nhaines> kdub_: it's more fun if it's trapped in a 640x480 window! :) <nhaines> Besides, you can always run FreeDOS. <kdub_> nhaines: 11.04 has unity as default, no? <nhaines> kdub_: correct. <kdub_> but its still x11 based <nhaines> I'm going to evaluate it at Alpha 2 and see if it might be worth running. * kdub_ is most excited about wayland-based coming along <nhaines> kdub_: Unity is a GNOME-based shell using Compiz and X11, yes. <kdub_> i used to work on compiz, and [partially] want to see it on its way out :P <pleia2> so I go downstairs to get the air pump for the penguin that game today, and there is another, mystery package <pleia2> it's a CR-48! <pleia2> aaahhhh yay <jamiedmattingly_> what is cr48? <pleia2> the ChromeOS demo laptop <jamiedmattingly_> oh man howd you get that? <rww> I'm waiting for the secret mind-control devices built into them to activate. My laziness will save me once again! <pleia2> there was (is?) a form online from google that you fill out to apply to be a tester <pleia2> jtatum got one too, I got to play with his at an Ubuntu Hour in December <jamiedmattingly_> can you still sign up? <pleia2> jamiedmattingly_: looks like you can still apply here: http://www.google.com/chromeos/pilot-program.html <jamiedmattingly_> got it thanks pleia2 <pleia2> I am surprised I got one, I thought for sure they were already bored with "linux nerds who want to try it" applications ;) <jamiedmattingly_> hey pleia2 just out of curiosity what did you put for your reason to try chrome os? <pleia2> jamiedmattingly_: it's been a couple months, something about being a linux sysadmin and ubuntu contributor I think <jamiedmattingly_> thats kinda close to what i put. crossing my fingers for mine <pleia2> I didn't apply when it was first announced because I wasn't sure I was allowed to (my boyfriend works at Google), but eventually I read the fine print - nothing about google employees in the same household <pleia2> so I applied some time in december <jamiedmattingly_> i heard the os was coming soon never heard about the pilot program that is cool <jamiedmattingly_> i wonder how much programming you could do if it is all web based though? <pleia2> there is a dev switch which allows you to get to a terminal <pleia2> but I think they would be of limited use to most developers who are expecting a proper laptop <pleia2> (unless you really hack it, install ubuntu on it or something) <jamiedmattingly_> still it would be fun to try it out <jamiedmattingly_> how big is it? is it like a netbook or full sized? <pleia2> it's not a netbook, small laptop <pleia2> I opened the box but I haven't taken it out of the box yet, still have work until 5PM * pleia2 tries hard to work <pleia2> :) <jamiedmattingly_> come on pleia2, its calling your name i can hear it from here lol <pleia2> seriously <pleia2> must...resist... <jamiedmattingly_> lol <jamiedmattingly_> gosh for a thursday it is sure moving slow like a monday will it ever end????? :) <nhaines> Seriously. <jamiedmattingly_> where are you at nhaines? <nhaines> jamiedmattingly_: work. :) <MarkDude> pleia2, when you send info about the Chrome laptop, you need to include #skynet <MarkDude> Chris DiBona approved joke :D <jamiedmattingly_> figured that by your last response nhaines but what city? <nhaines> jamiedmattingly_: ah! I'm in Irvine. I work for Western Digital. <nhaines> And let me tell you, after four years of not using Windows, it was *really* weird to have to start thinking about drive letters. <jamiedmattingly_> im in sonoma i have quite a few wd portables though <jamiedmattingly_> finally time to go see you guys later <rww> It amuses me that Windows still starts drives at C: to leave space for 3.5in and 5.25in inch floppy drives. <pleia2> it got loose, I couldn't resist #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-02-04 <nhaines> rww: Not just for that, but for historical reasons as well. A lot of programs have C: hardcoded. <nhaines> I'm running SuSE 9.3 on my secondary system here, temporarily. <nhaines> Natty alpha 2 didn't work out so hot so it was a good opportunity. But man, so many duplicate programs over 5 CDs. :) <DarkwingDuck> nhaines: still an issue with a black screen on install? <nhaines> DarkwingDuck: issue with gnome-panel doesn't run in Classic Mode. <MarkDude> Yay for wifi on public transportation <MarkDude> HWY17 bus ftw <akk> Nice! <MarkDude> Not super fast - it works tho :) <akk> Any access is way better than no access. <akk> Unless you're trying to follow the route on google earth or something. :) <MarkDude> lol <MarkDude> If you take cal train also- you could have it all the way <akk> They have wifi now? <akk> (and they're whining about how they have to raise fares AGAIN?) <MarkDude> I guess not * MarkDude googled it :) <MarkDude> Still feels like I am from the future <MarkDude> quite a few people are using the net now, and it is better than most conferences I have been to <nhaines> lfitz: Good evening. :) <nhaines> Breaking news, Jane Silber is scheduled to give Sunday's keynote at SCaLE, 27 February 2011. <pleia2> yeah, we've got Leigh and Jane - Ubuntu Members rule SCaLE! ;) <jono> hey all <jono> any coders here want to help with some dev testing next week? <jamiedmattingly> hi jono <jono> hey jamiedmattingly <jono> this testing will be in the bay area <jamiedmattingly> testing sounds like fun where at? <jono> jamiedmattingly, where are you based? <jono> I want to do it in the SF area <jamiedmattingly> live in vallejo work in sonoma <jono> jamiedmattingly, having you got development experience? <jamiedmattingly> still new to it. but learning python now. prolly not enough for what you need huh? <jono> jamiedmattingly, you are perfect! <jono> this is aimed at new devs using Python! <jono> let me check out schedule to see which slot is open <jono> jamiedmattingly, would you be free on Tues at 2pm? <jamiedmattingly> aqctually i work mon to fri 7-4 unless it is something i can do online from here <jono> ahhh, np <jono> no this is in person <jono> would anyone else be interested in helping on Tues at 2pm? <jamiedmattingly> if in person and through week has to be after 4 if that is ok if not sorry jono <jono> jamiedmattingly, no worries! <nUboon2Age> jono: i just got on, what is the event again? <jono> nUboon2Age, a dev testing session face to face <jono> I am looking for a volunteer in the bay area <nUboon2Age> what is the location jono? <jono> nUboon2Age, San Francisco area <nUboon2Age> so no specific location jono? <nUboon2Age> i'm in the SF Bay area jono <nUboon2Age> i'd probably be interested jono <jamiedmattingly> pleia2, did you get to play with your new toy yet? <pleia2> jamiedmattingly: yes :) and blogged about it <pleia2> planet.ubuntu-california.org <jamiedmattingly> you saved me from typing my next question :) <jamiedmattingly> did you really get a hamster in a wheel with it pleia2? <pleia2> I wish! <pleia2> although, it doesn't get very hot, maybe it IS powered by a very thin hamster <jamiedmattingly> lol <akk> ooh, pleia2, nice toy! <jamiedmattingly> impressive blog pleia2 you can really write <nUboon2Age> Ubuntu Hour @ Palo Alto TONIGHT! 7pm Tandoori Oven (2 doors down from Antonio's Nut House). Details and RSVP: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/650/detail/ pleia2, aaditya, akk, crashsystems, crashsystems1, jledbetter, jamiedmattingly, jamiedmattingly, jono, pleia2, kdub, jtatum, <jono> nUboon2Age, are you a coder? <jamiedmattingly> palo is alittle out of my range plus i have to watch kids tonight nUboon2Age but thanks <pleia2> jamiedmattingly: thanks :) <jedahan> pleia2, could you recommend a coworking space ? <nUboon2Age> jono: yes, what language are you wanting amigo? <jamiedmattingly> i did find a pretty good sized starbucks here in vallejo for an ubuntu hour just not sure what to do if i schedule one <akk> nUboon2Age: I'm still getting over that cold ... might not last that long today, will see. <pleia2> jedahan: I went to an event at Nextspace a while back, they do day passes (I think you get one free, and you can buy them) so you can check it out: http://nextspace.us/ <pleia2> http://nextspace.us/ <nUboon2Age> akk: any time at all would be great! <jono> nUboon2Age, preferably Python, what do you code in <jono> ? * pleia2 liberal with paste button <DarkwingDuck> hey jono <jono> hey DarkwingDuck <jono> hows things, pal? <DarkwingDuck> jono: still can't find a job but, things are going really well. :) <DarkwingDuck> jono: been working on python :) <jono> DarkwingDuck, cool! <jono> DarkwingDuck, are you in the bay area? <DarkwingDuck> jono: I'm in San Diego but, if the job is right I'll move :) <jono> ahhh <jono> this isnt a job <jono> it is developer testing :-) <DarkwingDuck> ahhh that. I wish I could when I heard about it. <DarkwingDuck> jono: you going to be at scale? <nUboon2Age> i'm a beginner in python jono, Java used to be my primary, i'm a JCP and used to work for Sun in TCK stuff but i took a loooooong break and am rusty right now. Also a LOT of C coding back when, Perl, Turbo Pascal w/ Objects, C++, Basic, DOS batch scripting, assembly, etc., etc., etc., <jono> DarkwingDuck, not sure yet, I might be in the studio <nUboon2Age> Software Enginneer who took a looooooong break. :-) <DarkwingDuck> jono: awesome! I've started playing bass again <DarkwingDuck> jono: have you played with SL4A yet? <jono> DarkwingDuck, nice! <jono> DarkwingDuck, SL4A? <nUboon2Age> oh, and i play guitar, bass, keyboard, sing and a bit of drums jono. :-) <akk> scripting languages for Android <DarkwingDuck> Scripting Language for Android <jono> nUboon2Age, and would you be free on Tues at 2pm? <jedahan> pleia2, ahh nextspace is right near me cool <nUboon2Age> yes jono <akk> DarkwingDuck: Have you? I keep wanting to but haven't had time yet. <pleia2> jedahan: huh, which one? the SF one is about 2 blocks from me <jono> nUboon2Age, do you think you could get into San Francisco for that time? <nUboon2Age> yes jono <jono> nUboon2Age, woo! <jono> awesome <DarkwingDuck> akk: I was poking at it yesterday. There is a big writeup in Linux Journal about it. <jedahan> pleia2, I am staying at a hostel in the TenderLoin. Well closet to tenderknob but yeah, thats in the financial district right? <jono> nUboon2Age, I am just going to confirm a location and I will get back to you :-) <jedahan> its like a 5 minute bike ride <nUboon2Age> ty jedahan <nUboon2Age> ty jono <pleia2> jedahan: yep, nextspace is in the financial district :) <jamiedmattingly> anyone else here in or near north bay that wouldnt mind coordinating for an ubuntu hour here? <akk> DarkwingDuck: Yeah, saw that, need to work through it! Though I gather people can't run your scripts unless they also have SL4A and python? <nUboon2Age> hopefully Caltrain accessible jono <nUboon2Age> or not too far from. <jono> nUboon2Age, no worries <DarkwingDuck> akk: but, if you build those dependancies into the apk it *should* work. <nUboon2Age> i broke my arm recently so i have to get everywhere by mass transit and walking <nUboon2Age> i can't ride my bike even. :-/ <akk> DarkwingDuck: Oh, cool -- that definitely makes it more attractive. <DarkwingDuck> akk: Although, it would bloat the size of the APK <akk> DarkwingDuck: I wonder how much the apk would compare to a java one, though? Any idea? <DarkwingDuck> I don't know... <DarkwingDuck> akk: I think what I'll do is take a RSS reader and port it to python and compare the two <akk> I'm also surprised you (apparently) can't make a web app into an apk ... apps made of html and javascript. <jamiedmattingly> am i seriously the only one here from northbay <jamiedmattingly> ?? <pleia2> jamiedmattingly: might also want to try the mailing list, there are 200+ folks on that :) <akk> DarkwingDuck: Oh, good idea, I should try porting my feedreader to python (except I'm not sure they have enough APIs in AL4A python). <akk> DarkwingDuck: I'd love to hear what you think after you try it. <DarkwingDuck> akk: I'm going to play with it this month pretty deeply <DarkwingDuck> akk: we can compare notes at Scale :) <jdeslip> akk: You can basically make an web-app into an apk - just use one webview <akk> DarkwingDuck: Great! Looking forward to it. <jamiedmattingly> how do i do mailing list/ <jamiedmattingly> ? <akk> jdeslip: I know how to make a java app with a webview plus pages, but that requires java and eclipse. <akk> (well, not eclipse, but some compilation environment, anyway) <jdeslip> akk: Well ... not much java ;) If you do all the heaving lifting in javascript. Just need java to create the webview. <akk> Sure, I know, just would be nice to avoid all that extra mechanism when a web viewer is already built in to android. <akk> It means anyone else who works on the project also has to have java and the SDKs set up on their machines. <akk> jamiedmattingly: There are a couple of concord/antioch people on http://shallowsky.com/maps/geeknic/ (when you said north bay earlier I thought you meant Marin). <jamiedmattingly> thanks akk. northbay is anything past vallejo like fairfield vacaville and such concord and antioch are east bay which is still easier than palo for me <akk> jamiedmattingly: I was just thinking they looked close enough that they might come to a vallejo meeting. <jamiedmattingly> i agree <jamiedmattingly> i sent an email to mailing list so hopefully if i did it right we will read about it tommorow <pleia2> jamiedmattingly: you did it right :) <akk> You did it right -- I got it already. <jamiedmattingly> wow i did something right lol first time for everything :) <nUboon2Age> Ubuntu Hour @ Palo Alto TONIGHT! 7pm Tandoori Oven (2 doors down from Antonio's Nut House). Details and RSVP: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/650/detail/ pleia2, aaditya, akk, crashsystems, crashsystems1, jledbetter, jamiedmattingly, jamiedmattingly, jono, pleia2, kdub, jtatum, <pleia2> can't make it, have company flying in this evening so I'll be doing lots of last minute tidying around the condo <jamiedmattingly> i didnt get an email is it because i sent it? <pleia2> jamiedmattingly: yes, gmail eats them <iheartubuntu> how is your cr48 liz? are you using it now? <pleia2> (very annoying) <pleia2> iheartubuntu: it's fun :) not using it now because I'm (supposed to be) working and it's not flexible enough for that <iheartubuntu> so how would you do irc on it? <pleia2> iheartubuntu: if you switch it into dev mode you can get to a terminal, which you can ssh from <iheartubuntu> i mean how would a common user do irc :) <iheartubuntu> go to a website? <pleia2> probably would have to use webchat <pleia2> yeah <nUboon2Age> okay pleia2, we'll miss you. :-( we love you. :-) <pleia2> nUboon2Age: oh! updating identica/twitter now <nUboon2Age> ubuntu love. group hug pleia2 <iheartubuntu> updated: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x * iheartubuntu hugs pleia2 * pleia2 hugs all around <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x edited <jedahan> just so happens nextspace is free today. and has a 4pm happy hour <jedahan> thanks pleia2 <pleia2> sweet <pleia2> you're welcome :) <jedahan> soooo easy living in SF with no plans <jedahan> and keeping busy <jamiedmattingly> just out of curiosity what is next space for? <pleia2> it's an "office" that work from home types, entrepreneurs, etc can use so they don't get lonely had sort of have "co-workers" <pleia2> s/had/and <pleia2> they also have conference rooms you can rent (nice for virtual companies who need to have real life meetings) <DarkwingDuck> Okay... Gingerbread on my Droid is smooth <jamiedmattingly> which droid do you have DarkwingDuck? <DarkwingDuck> Droid 1 <DarkwingDuck> I had a droid 2 but, I ended up giving to a buddy of mine who needed a phone. <jamiedmattingly> i have droid incredible how did you get gingerbread on your droid? <DarkwingDuck> It's rooted. I know most of the underground dev/hackers that do the custom ROMs. <DarkwingDuck> There are two good Gingerbread ROMs out there for the D1 <DarkwingDuck> LiquidGingerbread and CyanogenMod 7 <DarkwingDuck> Actually, I just realized that the Droid 1 has the same OMAP board as the n900 so, I should be able to get Kubuntu-Mobile installed on teh Droid 1 <jamiedmattingly> how can you update your android phone fromm 2.2 to 2.3? do you know DarkwingDuck? <DarkwingDuck> jamiedmattingly: Is it rooted? <jamiedmattingly> i dont think so <DarkwingDuck> That would be the first step. I'm not sure if there is a DInc ROM for 2.3 yet. <DarkwingDuck> jamiedmattingly: http://www.droid-life.com/2010/12/21/droid-incredible-owners-receive-one-of-the-first-really-polished-gingerbread-roms/ <DarkwingDuck> You can get it on your DInc but, GPS and Video recording have issues still <kdub_> DarkwingDuck: you put kubuntu mobile on the n900? <DarkwingDuck> kdub_: One of the Devs for Kubuntu-Mobile did <DarkwingDuck> I'm going to work on getting it on the Droid 1... It shouldn't have any hardware issues except maybe CDMA <DarkwingDuck> Because Verizon uses CDMA and the rest of the world uses GMS <DarkwingDuck> *GSM <DarkwingDuck> So, I'll have to see * kdub_ has an n900, that would be cool <kdub_> but maemo is already a debian system, i might just leave it at "eh, close enough" ;-) <iheartubuntu> so you wouldnt be able to make calls? <DarkwingDuck> kdub_: gemme a sec <DarkwingDuck> kdub_: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ARM/n900/ <kdub_> DarkwingDuck: dang, pretty cool <DarkwingDuck> kdub_: oh yeah. * kdub_ has always been one to take linux on his phone over a phone that can actually call people :) <DarkwingDuck> hehehe * akk has a phone that can call people, and a separate device running linux <akk> though I admit it would be neat to have both in the same box <kdub_> the n900 does, right out of the box <kdub_> i hope meego turns out more or less the same way #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-02-05 * kdub_ surfs all weekend :D * MarkDude has finally rhonda96@example.net. Fun trip. <stbuurto> <stbuurto> Bye <stburto_> we're here at Tandoori Oven on CALIFORNIA Ave for Ubuntu Hour @ Palo Alto #2 akk crashsystems1 crashsystems jtatum , jledbetter aaditya jedahan , jono , KDUB, , rww , Yasumoto <akk> I came home early ... but hope you're having fun! <stburto_> We just installed Lucid on Adams' computer and i'll try and get him on empathy/irc here pretty quick. <stburto_> We'll miss you akk, but hope you'll feel better soon. :-) <jledbetter> Coolio <akk> That's great, a new install already! <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/TeamReports edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/TeamReports/Current edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/TeamReports/11/January edited <rww> !cookie | pleia2 <Eureka> pleia2: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie! * pleia2 omnomnom <adams> hey y'all. this is Drew typing on Andrew's newly Ubuntu-ized machine. * pleia2 waves <adams> Hello my name is Andrew and I am new to Ubuntu <pleia2> welcome :) <adams> Pleia hello, thank you for the wave and the thoughts <adams> pleia2: thank you <akk> Hi, adams -- welcome to ubuntu and ubuntu-california <akk> wait, I'm confused, Andrew is new but Drew isn't ... #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-02-06 <jtatum> debian squeeze released today <jdeslip> Happy Super-Ads Sunday everyone. <jdeslip> If only Canonical had an ad in... <thefinn93> hey are there similar projects to this for other states? <akk> Yes, there are lots of LoCos. <thefinn93> do you know the one for Oregon? <thefinn93> is there even one for Oregon? <thefinn93> oh yeah nevermind <thefinn93> found it <thefinn93> i hadn't bothered to google it <thefinn93> thanks <MarkDude> Damn <MarkDude> Would have liked to tell them about the meetings planned for Oregon team <pleia2> looks like they found their way :) <jono> akk, ping? <akk> hi jono <jono> akk, hey! <jono> just wanted to confirm you are still good to meet tomorrow at 10am? <akk> Yep! I'll be there. <jono> perfect! <jono> akk, just to confirm - the Red Rock will have net access? <pleia2> all of mt view downtown does <akk> They do ... you have to go through the usual webcafe sign-in <akk> the "all of mv downtown" is google wifi, which is pretty unreliable <pleia2> ah :) <akk> red rock's is usually a bit more reliable <akk> jono: Upstairs is probably best, assuming it's open at that hour <jono> akk, sounds great! <jono> great, would you be able to email me your cell number in case I need to reach you? <akk> jono: On its way. <jono> thanks akk <jono> I will reply with mine :-0) <jono> :-) <DarkwingDuck> jono: Thought of you... :P:P http://i.imgur.com/ELLMO.jpg <jono> DarkwingDuck, lol! <DarkwingDuck> :D <MarkDude> http://bonjourubuntu.fr/images/2010-09-03 pleia2 <MarkDude> FOr the next geeknic that circle of friends made using pineaplle looks good- form France
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