#ubuntu-uds-community-2 2013-11-19 * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Track: App Development | Build materials for the App Dev Schools initiative | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22031/appdev-1311-app-dev-schools-materials/ <skellat> o/ <dholbach> hey hey <karni> hey guys <karni> I can hear you, waiting for the video <dholbach> who wants to join in? <dpm> hi all! <skellat> dholbach: I'm available <dholbach> skellat, karni: want to join in? https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpjt7f417s88a1r34uiqoni4 <karni> Thanks <dholbach> we take notes here: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-appdev-1311-app-dev-schools-materials <dholbach> and please speak up if you want to get involved or have questions <karni> +1 on what dpm said * skellat is running low on tea <skellat> Hello YoBoY <YoBoY> hi skellat <YoBoY> (hi everyone :)) <dholbach> YoBoY, want to join in on the hangout? <YoBoY> nop, just login for later ^^" sorry <dholbach> ah ok :) <Vipindev> Hai, Even though there is topic difference, I have doubt, if I am just starting being a C++ programmer, how it be from Ubuntu, No documentation so far I got, help me. <karni> Vipindev: Regarding your question, c++ is a good start. We utilize that for Unity scopes and QML plugins. QML is fairly easy to learn, it's JavaScript'ish <karni> Vipindev: Although you won't be able to write an Ubuntu phone app from scratch in C++, I believe. <karni> We use QMl for the UI <karni> the front end. C++ for fleshing out the more interesting bits. * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Track: App Development | Campaign to grow the number of tutorials videos | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22033/appdev-1311-tutorial-videos/ <dpm> hi Vipindev, I think the easiest thing to start writing apps for Ubuntu is to use QML <dpm> Vipindev, you can certainly use C++, but at this point we're still building the documentation for C++ and trying to make it easier to cross-compile <dpm> Vipindev, so if you're just getting started, I'd recommend to look into QML first <dpm> Vipindev, http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/qml/ <dholbach> starting in 3m: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22033/appdev-1311-tutorial-videos/ <Vipindev> OK. Thank you for your kind information. <dholbach> does anyone want to join in?= <skellat> o/ <dholbach> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpintgnk20a0m0mqe6q3llb0 <dholbach> popey, are you going to be in this session? <popey> yes, trying to join <popey> running another session <ali1234> yes we can hear you :) <dholbach> popey, gotcha <dholbach> previous session: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-appdev-1311-app-dev-schools-materials <ali1234> +1 you'll get more downtime hosting the videos yourself <winael> Hi talking about the subtitle module of youtube, it very difficult to use in public mode <winael> it's more easly to export subtitles on po and use launchpad <popey> yes, i think we'd use lp <winael> for What is Maas and What is Juju video I used LP and po2srt srt2po tools and it was just fantastic to use. Just the owner of the video must import subtitlles on youtube <ali1234> popey: use meld, not imagemagick <ali1234> melt sorry, not meld :) <dholbach> :) <ali1234> that's to be expected <ali1234> i'm always saying how writing the app is the easiest part... <popey> â» * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/community-2/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/19/%23ubuntu-uds-community-2.html * skellat is out to lunch <j_f-f> thanks @all * NikTh is away: I'll be back.. later. * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Track: Community | LoCo projects | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22096/community-1311-loco-projects/ <dpm> For anyone wanting to join the session starting in ~3 mins, here's the link to the hangout! -> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpjlftuq26uskpdleqdr5cpo <cprofitt> thanks dpm <dpm> hey cprofitt, yw :) <dpm> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpjlftuq26uskpdleqdr5cpo <YoBoY> I can't stay for this session :( <YoBoY> Hi <skellat> Catch us on the replay <pleia2> o/ <PaulW2U> loud and clear ! <YoBoY> ha ha :) thanks <cprofitt> so, this is to produce a 'bucket' of projects that loco teams can be involved in? Perhaps different levels of 'technical difficulty' as well? <skellat> Yes <skellat> "Suggested/Possible Projects for October" <skellat> et cetera <cprofitt> Having been through several seasons of my loco there has been a varying level of technical ability in the members <pleia2> I'd like to see some kind of "packs" for live loco events too, when I did a QA jam I pretty much had to collect and design it myself (with the help of balloons), if I could download something that had tools and info about running such an event it would be great <cprofitt> so having some 'different' types of events to point at or use that fit the level of the people that are currently active would help <cprofitt> for example: bug jams are a bit intimidating to non-technical users <cprofitt> +1 pleia2 <chilicuil> and collecting materials for those evens too, +1 to pleia2 idea <dpm> Ah, here's the pad for everyone who wants to contribute: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-community-1311-loco-projects <chilicuil> I actually though it was going to be addressed by jono community packs (I must admit I had not looked at what materials those packs have if it's that were created) <pleia2> chilicuil: I thought those were more ubuntu promo things (promoting ubuntu, not contributing) <pleia2> but honestly there wasn't much in the pack last I looked <pleia2> bah, disconnecty etherpad <cprofitt> yeah... I lost it too <cprofitt> not reconnecting either <dpm> yeah, same here <cprofitt> that is an issue in all groups -- beginners, familiar, power users, advanced user * popey pings is <cprofitt> you have an issue with ensuring that you keep them all engaged <skellat> Yes, we do <skellat> This is an opening part to getting people more engaged <cprofitt> I was once asked -- who is your audience: <cprofitt> current users or people not currently using Ubuntu <cprofitt> those are important differences <pleia2> for this session I'd say it's not brand new people, more about keeping current users engaged <cprofitt> some communities are more local or more on-line <popey> IS are looking at etherpad <pleia2> thanks popey <pleia2> yay testing <cprofitt> we have the basics: Bug Jams, App Jams, etc <cprofitt> ISO testing, Alpha/Beta Testing, Language (translations) <eps> *cough* xpdf *cough* <chilicuil> talking about translations, would be really cool to start by translating in community ubuntu.com =) <pleia2> https://help.ubuntu.com/community wiki cleanup/improvements <cprofitt> +1 pleia2 documentation jams <cprofitt> there are global jams, but loco teams can do local jams out of cycle <chilicuil> I think some of the most active groups already are doing local jams, are you suggesting to run multiple global jams? or to encourage more jams outside of the formal ones? <popey> pad is back <cprofitt> no, not running more global jams... but the recipe for a jam should be relatively the same for global and local jams <cprofitt> if we make a 'package' it does not have to be isolated to a global event <pleia2> some what of a side note, more notice for when global jams are happening would be good, last couple cycles we had only a month or so notice and that's not enough time to plan and schedule something <pleia2> need to find space, get materials and volunteers, announce and advertise event <toddcnb> +1 <cprofitt> loco 'leaders' should not be the ONLY organizers <cprofitt> they are contacts <rickspencer3> o/ <toddcnb> we have several team leaders to share the load <pleia2> rickspencer3: you're in the right place <rickspencer3> thanks pleia2 <cprofitt> no you are in the right place * rickspencer3 not sure if pleia2 means irc or Washington DC ;) <pleia2> hehe <pleia2> California 4ever <pleia2> we've mostly been playing with phones+tablets just on wifi <pleia2> cool re: emulator <cprofitt> is there a way for locos to be able to get 'demo' machines from vendors -- I did it myself by contacting System76, but not sure if there is a way to make it something pre-defined <cprofitt> or perhaps just put up contacts for people to use to get demo devices <cprofitt> other than the wiki -- should loco.ubuntu.com get a section for this? <cprofitt> gotta run to a meeting folks... good session thanks <dpm> thanks cprofitt! <pleia2> later cprofitt <toddc> need to keep arch users in loco's <skellat> toddc: We also need to give them a reason to stick around <cprofitt> +1 popey -- I think it is less issues and it is easier to use Linux <toddc> loco's should welcome all distro users <cprofitt> in our LUG we have moved more to FOSS apps running on Linux over distro specific stuff <cprofitt> now I really need to go :) <skellat> Bye cprofitt <pleia2> yeah, we have LUGs here for other distros, but I live in a tech-heavy place so we can easily sustain distro-specific groups <toddc> azloco works with lots of local LUG's as co-events so muti distro are supported <pleia2> toddc: yeah, we do too <pleia2> and lugs will email us when they need "what's new in ubuntu" speakers :) <toddc> 90% are new linux users so people with skills are hard to retain and hard to do more than installfests that we currently not have manpower to keep the requests for events <pleia2> #ubuntu-locoteams <pleia2> ? <rickspencer3> what was the announcement? <rickspencer3> aaaaah <rickspencer3> gotcha <rickspencer3> :) <high_fiver> thanks guys * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Track: Community | Ubuntu Enterprise Desktop Roundtable | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/21972/ubuntu-enterprise-desktop-roundtable/ <skellat> The upcoming summit, once LoCo Council announces it, will in fact take place on summit.ubuntu.com. Consider my words as a leak as a formal announcement is yet to be made. * skellat disappears to prepare for LoCo Council's 2000 UTC meeting on #ubuntu-meeting <jono> ballock_, hey <jono> are you running the enterprise roundtable? <ballock_> guess not, same story as last time <jono> ballock_, who is? <jono> I can't set up the hangout, so I want whoever registered it to do it <ballock_> Not sure, Ove settled it with Daniel I guess. <ballock_> Can't see Ove either. <jono> ballock_, I don' think he did, Daniel can't set it up <jono> I tried msging him <jono> ok, well if he shows, I will set the link in summit so it is visible <jono> ballock_, do you want to set up a hangout on air and get it started? <ballock_> Can't, my corporate gmail doesn't have google on air. <ballock_> Unless... IRC is good enough? <stgraber> can I get the hangout URL? (not sure who's running that one) <jono> stgraber, we need someone to run it <jono> I can't run it <stgraber> jono: ah, I guess I could, let me see if my Canonical account was setup for OnAir stuff yet <jono> thanks stgraber <jono> dpm, ^ <dpm> jono, stgraber, ack <stgraber> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpilcc71kqmqk3ilink45toc <stgraber> dpm: I don't have edit rights for that meeting on summit so can't add the URL <jono> stgraber, what is the broadcast URL? <jono> stgraber, I will set it for you <stgraber> jono: http://youtu.be/jwhaQik222k <jono> stgraber, done <gQuigs> Thursday Active Directory: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22055/client-1311-activedirectory/ <pmatulis> stgraber: is there anything to do regarding AD integration beyond authentication? i.e. can a linux system be integrated more than that? <geofft> what sort of configurations do you guys do? <geofft> and is this the sort of thing that Ubuntu ought to patch packages for to add some hooks for, in a stable fashion? <geofft> if a lot of people are trying to configure the same thing? <stgraber> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpilcc71kqmqk3ilink45toc if anyone else wants to join <welbourne> What was the XMPP client Stephane said Ubuntu prefers over Pidgin ? <geofft> Empathy <welbourne> Thanks geofft :-) * welbourne has poor hearing ... <nandersson> Hi, what is the future for IM in Ubuntu Touch/Ubuntu 14.04. Will "Friends" be the default IM-client? <rickspencer3> o/ <stgraber> hey rickspencer3 <rickspencer3> hi stgraber <rickspencer3> :) <pmatulis> stgraber: thank you for your answer <stgraber> rickspencer3: do you know what the plan is wrt to IM in 14.04, will generic IM still be empathy or is that something Friends would take over? <xnox> friends is not for IM, but rather for facebook/twitter/g+ <xnox> empathy is default at the moment, and it can use protocols from pidgin via libpurple. <xnox> stgraber: telephany can reuse _all_ protocols from pidgin via libpurple. <xnox> (needs UI et/al) <xnox> stgraber: it may be more sense to add pidgin UI on ubuntu-touch. <xnox> stgraber: friends is evolution of gwibber. * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/community-2/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/19/%23ubuntu-uds-community-2.html <xnox> .. <xnox> so it will not be rename / downgradable ? e.g. the way HWE are optional. <xnox> stgraber: new libreoffice has often new dependencies. <gQuigs> xnox: LibreOffice? <xnox> gQuigs: yeah. <xnox> gQuigs: e.g. libreoffice-X.Y, etc. <gQuigs> xnox: that was the plan as I understood it; but again it hasn't been approved by the tech board <xnox> gQuigs: similar to how we have boost1.53, and boost1.54 etc. <stgraber> xnox: yeah, I'm mostly waiting on a formal proposal to the TB so we can review this. TBH if I'm on the board at that point, I doubt I'd support much more than a regular MRE + backport for new major releases. <xnox> gQuigs: in that case it's better, as users will be able to stay on previous one if they want to. <gQuigs> xnox: I'm not totally sure <geofft> stgraber, others: I'm kind of curious what sorts of things you customize in academic and other deployments <xnox> stgraber: don't wave imaginary sticks =) <geofft> and preferably if your cfengine / bcfg2 repos are public :) <xnox> .. <xnox> well if anyones existing templates "break", because a bug was "fixed" in libreoffice, it's a no-go. <gQuigs> xnox: then we would need to security updates for all the old versions... <gQuigs> xnox: the proposal was more like with Firefox <stgraber> geofft: I have a public bcfg2 repository but it's not education targeted, it's my own personal network (which is still rather massive ;)). For education, the standard need is authentication, centralized storage and printing configurations, default user session parameters (firefox, dconf, ...), package lists and extra certificates <stgraber> I was mostly working with K12 with mostly two kind of customers, those that to one-to-one (one laptop per student) and those that did shared desktops <gQuigs> work items at the end: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1308-rolling-libreoffice <stgraber> those doing one-to-one would typically not restrict the session very much and usually give admin rights to the users <stgraber> the other case is the complete opposite, where rights are extremely limited and with requests going as far as locking the background and the icons on the desktop :) <gQuigs> xnox: LO new versions is stabilized through a full Regular Release; it's then brought "Firefox style" to the LTS <ballock_> geofft: Tieto currently customizes authentication, firewall (with network detection), antivirus, SSL CA certificates, central HDD encryption storage, ntp, package repositories, printers, <geofft> authentication is Kerberos+LDAP? <ballock_> SSSD against AD <stgraber> it'd vary, some districts were using AD, so I'd just use sssd, some were using the Apple directory (openldap) and some were using eDirectory or some other random LDAP solution <stgraber> in most cases, sssd was the best choice anyway as it supports all of those and is the only client that does proper creds caching in my experience <stgraber> geofft: https://github.com/stgraber/bcfg2-memento is the public (no machine information and config) part of my repository <stgraber> geofft: I then derive from that one for 3 deployments with some specific configs per deployment <geofft> I'm wondering what sorts of things it'd be most useful to add support in upstream packages. That stuff plus defaults for mail clients is most of what Debathena configures <geofft> IIRC our pain points on upgrades have been mostly things like Firefox config, branding changes over transitions like gdm -> gdm3, and custom printers <geofft> http://debathena.mit.edu/package-list/#component-debathena-config is basically a list of what we configure <geofft> source is all at https://github.com/mit-athena/ <stgraber> geofft: I've seen the proliferation of .d directories as something extremely benefitial, the least files I have to fully override the better <stgraber> geofft: I suspect a lot of software support includes in their config but the Debian package just doesn't ship with a .d + include rule by default <stgraber> trying to generalize that would make people's life much easier <ballock_> stgraber: totally agree <geofft> yeah, .d rules would help us a ton <geofft> /etc/services.d is something I'd really want but Debian's netbase maintainer doesn't want it :( <geofft> ... which reminds me, I think a guy I know at CMU wrote a separate NSS module for that. maybe that's worth packaging. <ballock_> fyi: there's a launchpad group and mailing list for the interested ones: <ballock_> https://launchpad.net/~enterprise-ubuntu <geofft> right! I was going to join that, thanks <ballock_> There's a number people representing enterprise deployments. <ballock_> It doesn't seem to have a coordinator, though <ballock_> so it is mostly active around UDSes <pmatulis> anyone can promote an unofficial ubuntu enterprise task force or make more specific ubuntu enterprise blueprints <ballock_> pmatulis: I vote for. The question is who/how? <ballock_> With my limited engineer capabilities I guess I did the best I could <ballock_> by joining a couple of UDSes, making some roundtable-like discussions and blueprints <ballock_> For now I guess the launchpad group I mentioned is the best of those achievements <pmatulis> ballock_: you don't need to be an engineer to do the things i mention. obviously you would acquaint yourself as much as possible with the subject but you don't need to be a superhero <ballock_> Well, I actually meant I'm more an engineer than a manager or evangelist. <pmatulis> the important thing is to galvanize the topic at hand <ballock_> (still I'm not a developer) <ballock_> I believe there's interest. <ballock_> There's people from a good number of companies, <ballock_> there's French gendarmerie, which I believe to be running the biggest Ubuntu deployment <ballock_> We do have a communication channel <ballock_> but I don't know if we totally share the same goals or can consent on the same goals <ballock_> I can't even say how much potential the groups has <ballock_> nor how to get more people interested in this <ballock_> I guess that to gain more attention we need to have "something" that we can offer to potential members <ballock_> but "advice" might not be good enough <ballock_> there's plenty of forums, google and stuff <ballock_> they are answering more specific questions <ballock_> pmatulis: What's your vision on this? <geofft> I'm leaving for lunch now, but I'll definitely look through the list archive and the wiki pages. It looks like there are quite a few people there! <ballock_> geofft: yup, and I guess we will yet meet on the authentication session <pmatulis> you can't force people or promise them anything. idea: send to mailing list that you (!) are interested in forming a focus group consisting of people who are espcially motivated/interested and maybe having the occasional google hangout. but creating a "web" of blueprints under the ubuntu-enterprise umbrella is a necessity. otherwise things remain vague <ballock_> I guess last UDS Jono mentioned we could get somebody from... the Leadership board? to join <jono> ballock_, join what? <ballock_> oh, speaking of the devil :) <ballock_> I mean, can we have somebody that would "spark" the actions <ballock_> The group is there, the interest is there <ballock_> It's just the question of 'what do we do now' <ballock_> (and how) <ballock_> pmatulis: I like the blueprints idea * dm8tbr seconds <ballock_> but I didn't work with blueprints workflow <ballock_> ok, leaving for now, but I guess we'll keep in touch <ballock_> thanks for the nice chat and your thoughts on this <ballock_> talk to you later #ubuntu-uds-community-2 2013-11-20 * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/community-2/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/20/%23ubuntu-uds-community-2.html <ali1234> in xubuntu we knew things were broken well before release: it never got fixed because we lacked people who knew how to package the fixes, and because the fixes weren't packaged, they couldn't be tested, because testing is focused on packages and isos <ali1234> oops, wrong channel * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Track: Community | Community exploratory testing | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22065/community-1311-quality-community-exploratory-testing/ <balloons> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpi5ial81gk1qbofl262k96o?authuser=0&hl=en for anyone who wants to join the hangout <balloons> howdy :-) <elopio> hello! <balloons> hello! <balloons> you are going to be me all alone.. click the hangout link :-) https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpi5ial81gk1qbofl262k96o?authuser=0&hl=en <balloons> come into the fishbowl <balloons> mwahhaha <balloons> meh, my english.. you'd think I typed for a living or something <knome> what's the youtube link? <balloons> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpi5ial81gk1qbofl262k96o?authuser=0&hl=en <balloons> and http://youtu.be/CRl0voehYuc <knome> ta <knome> i'll open it muted :P <knome> and try to hop on/off between two sessions <julien-funk> I tried to join the hangout but was denied :/ <knome> and what was the pad again? :P <balloons> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-community-1311-quality-community-exploratory-testing * knome bows <balloons> I sent you an invite julien-funk <julien-funk> don't worry <cgoldberg> im getting double audio.. weird <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TouchTesting <knome> balloons, ping me if you need some insight or comments (you're muted) <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles/Tester#Exploratory_Testing * cgoldberg waves at julien-funk and elopio * julien-funk waves back to cgoldberg <la_juyis> cgoldberg, could you please paste it here too? <balloons> http://www.amazon.com/Exploratory-Software-Testing-Tricks-Techniques/dp/0321636414 <knome> i wonder if exploratory testing is easier for new contributors, because they aren't as "overspecialized" or prone to do things always the same way as people who have ran a lot of those tests <la_juyis> tnx <cgoldberg> la_juyis, James Bach (awful), James Whittaker <knome> would it be a good idea to point new contributors to that then? <knome> as long as you are able to remember what those notes mean, you should be able to make them more useful for others as well <balloons> knome, yes I think distilled notes could potentially be useful to others <balloons> but personal notes aren't going to be useful imh <knome> what about doing screencapturing whenever doing exploratory testing? <julien-funk> knome I think that would be most useful when reporting a defect but it might not be compelling for people to watch what other's have done <knome> julien-funk, it's possible to edit and cut the video <julien-funk> knome: sure, I am just wondering what reason someone would have to watch it <balloons> knome, ahh, recording your session so you know what happened :-) <knome> balloons, yeah. isn't that kind of obvious? <knome> balloons, see my comment on using the tracker on the pad <balloons> knome, k <knome> checkbox in a tracker? (: <knome> list the functional areas as testcases <knome> every report is a "marked checkbox" <knome> and you can add your notes in the comments <knome> balloons, ^ <knome> what i mean, why aren't we using the tracker <knome> specific tag for exploratory testing? <knome> okay <knome> that would be some metrics :) <knome> well we could see the amount of time exploratory testing was done <balloons> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/262/history <knome> +1 <cgoldberg> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNkYz1hB7r0 <knome> tracker can show the number of people and number of tests <knome> (just saying!) <cgoldberg> metrics: total time under test for functional area, bugs found <knome> gosh, the ubuntu wiki is really slow, that's not a lot better than the tracker * balloons is reading your feedback knome :-) <knome> ack <knome> pad needs a SSO account as well <knome> (and a membership on the -etherpad team) <knome> what julien is describing sounds like the tracker <balloons> fill in the details on the pad if you could :-) <gema> balloons: why would we want to develop a "new tool" instead of the tracker? <gema> balloons: sorry, I may have missed the rationale <knome> gema, exactly, +1 <balloons> hey gema :-) <gema> balloons: sorry, I joined late <gema> balloons: trying to save you guys from the road to hell we've already been to <balloons> no worries.. we're discussing implementation ideas <gema> through <balloons> yes speak up :-) <gema> balloons: just modify the tracker however you need <gema> julien-funk: it takes a while to get used to <gema> julien-funk: the logic behind the tracker is super complex and developing the tool from scratch is a massive undertaking <cgoldberg> is the tracker easy to hack/extend? <knome> we're already working on the visual side of the tracker with stgraber <knome> we can make it even simpler as needed <gema> cgoldberg: I think it is reasonably, and stgraber is open to changes <cgoldberg> gema, do you know what it's written in? <knome> python <cgoldberg> django? <knome> i think... <gema> cgoldberg: I am not sure what was the language <gema> cgoldberg: talk to stgraber <balloons> he's correct <cgoldberg> ok thanks <knome> modifying the tracker isn't too hard, we basically have everything we need, now we just need to drop down features! <gema> knome: +1 <knome> julien-funk, you can always ask for help on using the tracker on #ubuntu-quality <julien-funk> knome right <knome> i'm off. you can find me on #ubuntu-quality * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Track: Community | LoCo Portal promotion | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22095/community-1311-loco-portal-promotion/ <skellat> dpm: I'm ready <dpm> Hey all, setting up the hangout now. For those of you who want to join the LoCo portal session, here's the hangout URL: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpi35clt9funqiph6ddr0pkc <dpm> hi skellat :) <dpm> skellat, here's the hangout link ^^ <dpm> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpi35clt9funqiph6ddr0pkc <YoBoY> hi here :) <dpm> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-community-1311-loco-portal-promotion <YoBoY> I can hear <YoBoY> I want to start to report this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto seems someone deleted the content :( <skellat> http://mediagoblin.org/ <YoBoY> this page is linked on the loco portal <YoBoY> http://loco.ubuntu.com/about-loco/ <YoBoY> (sorry the lag) <YoBoY> I'm expecting to see this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto?action=recall&rev=70 <YoBoY> ok <skellat> The LoCo Council's Twitter Feed: https://twitter.com/LoCoCouncil <YoBoY> loosing the sound â¦ :( <YoBoY> better <YoBoY> don't think we need a new news team <YoBoY> in the past we add the team reports in the UWN if these team reports, perhaps we can ask them is they want to reboot that part on a separate rss stream for us <YoBoY> we had <YoBoY> (sorry, doing too much things at the same time, my english is worse thant ever :O) <dholbach> YoBoY, it might work to just mail the ubuntu-news-team@ mailing list? <frippefriberg> How about multiple languages? We write about our events and news in Swedish. Should we switch and translate it to English to fit in better in the portal? <YoBoY> dholbach, I don't know <dholbach> frippefriberg, pictures always work :) <YoBoY> frippefriberg, the LC always said to me it's open to all the langages, if you want to add your team blog, just ask <dholbach> yeah <dholbach> if you can write a small paragraph in English to explain what happened, that's great, but if it's all swedish, that's fine too :) <frippefriberg> ok <dholbach> there's always google translate or other services :) <YoBoY> what i have done this month : an Ubuntu Party http://www.flickr.com/photos/juliant/sets/72157637818345094/ :D (what I won ? ^^") <dpm> YoBoY, these pictures are awesome <dholbach> great pictures! <YoBoY> thanks <YoBoY> sorry dpm ^^" <YoBoY> skellat, you'r welcome * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/community-2/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/20/%23ubuntu-uds-community-2.html <YoBoY> thanks everyone :) * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Track: Community | Loco community involvement in App Development | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22034/community-1311-loco-appdev-school-events/ <dholbach> dpm, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpibs3tsnh0ssdau2qjhiv0g <dholbach> and anyone else ^ <dpm> cool, coming over <skellat> o/ <dholbach> jono_, ^ <dholbach> anyone else who wants to join in? <dholbach> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22034/community-1311-loco-appdev-school-events/ <dholbach> http://pad.ubuntu.com/ep/pad/view/uds-1311-community-1311-loco-appdev-school-events/latest <dholbach> hum... rather: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-community-1311-loco-appdev-school-events <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Track: Community | LoCo Leadership growth | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22094/community-1311-loco-leadership/ <dpm> For those who want to participate in this session: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpj7831r7abb8cdbh1d7sfvk <dholbach> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-community-1311-loco-leadership <YoBoY> hi <dholbach> frippefriberg, YoBoY: want to join in? <YoBoY> in <frippefriberg> yes keep it simple and strict to find information. Today we hunt information and people in the team find different information sometimes <dholbach> my browser is acting up * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/community-2/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/20/%23ubuntu-uds-community-2.html #ubuntu-uds-community-2 2013-11-21 * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/community-2/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/21/%23ubuntu-uds-community-2.html * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Track: Community | Investigate using Google Helpout | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22118/investigate-using-google-helpout/ <popey> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-investigate-using-google-helpout <jcastro> popey, want to take notes? <popey> am in another session.. <jcastro> ok <chiluk> jorge / matt do either of you have invites available? <popey> i tried to get one, but no success yet <popey> poked a friend at google to try to get one <SuperMatt> yeah, you just have to wait for google to get back to you <SuperMatt> there's really no indication as to when that would be * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Track: Community | Community Council meeting | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22117/community-council-meeting/ <dholbach> keep the questions coming <dholbach> just prefix them with QUESTION <YokoZar> I'm here :) <elfy> hi YokoZar <czajkowski> aloha <elfy> o/ <popey> OMG! I SEE AN ELFY! <asomething> sure, let me try to distill a long email into an irc question <popey> HE EXISTS! <elfy> :) hi popey <popey> Sounder! <asomething> dholbach, yes a moderated ubuntu member list akin to debian's project list <popey> dholbach: isn't that what loco-contacts is for? <czajkowski> asomething: but we had that <czajkowski> and it ended up being a lot of work for moderating <toddc> QUESTIONS team leader meetings? <dholbach> toddc, can you elaborate? <asomething> i'm perfectly willing to accept that no one wants another mailing list =) <toddc> passing ideas between teams and loco leaders simular the this? <popey> Yes, "yet another mailing list" isn't the solution IMHO <popey> There was an event-co-ordination list which existed and wasnt used <popey> event-planning iirc <asomething> but maybe I'll try posting my argument for it on discouse or my blog <YokoZar> Now I'm remembering all the mailing lists we shut down last term <czajkowski> YokoZar: indeed <czajkowski> a lot of time :) <dholbach> asomething, great idea - that's probably the best way to take the pulse and see how people feel <YokoZar> Might be worth giving that another look <czajkowski> toddc: can you elaborate? <toddc> 5 years and I have never spoken to any council or other team leaders <czajkowski> toddc: you could also be doing it and not know you're doing it <czajkowski> lots of people are leaders <popey> \o/ <czajkowski> action item popey :) <asomething> toddc, part of my idea was that the CC could move as much of its discussion into public on such a community list <czajkowski> asomething: we meet online for our meetings <czajkowski> but there are other things which cannot be doing publically as it's the last port of call for some issues <toddc> yes <asomething> core apps is a good place to begin since it is community led <asomething> I picked up a work item yesterday to develop a create a set of standards Investigate creating an ubuntu-core-app-dev (or similar) team to review/commit across core apps, including guidelines for membership <asomething> I think it would be interesting if it membership in that team came with Ubuntu membership <czajkowski> asomething: so developer members or ubuntu membership which is the same bar the upload and voting in tb ? <mhall119> asomething: we already have an LP team that can do that <dholbach> asomething, was what I was saying generally making sense or am I going off on a tangent? <czajkowski> asomething: daft question, why not just go in front of the memebership board and then get memberhsip like others do? <asomething> czajkowski, right not if you join motu or core-dev you become an ubuntu member. there isn't anything similar for coreapp devs <czajkowski> based on that work <asomething> s/not/now/ <czajkowski> hmm <popey> asomething: sure is <popey> nik90 got his membership after being a core app dev <mhall119> asomething: there also isn't a requirement to join core app devs like there is for Ubuntu Membership <popey> via the membership process <czajkowski> asomething: I still think you can go for memberhsip and show your work in core apps as a way you're contributing <popey> +1 <czajkowski> the same way people do via the irc or forums for their work there <elfy> I'd agree with that <asomething> czajkowski, well that's the issue. the CC delegates that to the other boards. it seems like it would require CC action to do the same for touch contributors <asomething> mhall119, see this session http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22067/appdev-1311-coreapps-saucy-review/ <czajkowski> asomething: No I think the membership boards should look at the work based on touch contributors and evaluate it the same way based on a wiki page showing their work and involvement in the ubuntu community <asomething> mhall119, there is ~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers but that is only canonical folks afaict <czajkowski> indeed <mhall119> asomething: it might be, but it doesn't *have* to be <czajkowski> asomething: is your thought on this because you want to become an Ubuntu memember or you want voting rights in say the TB etc? <sabdfl> indeed, there's no canonical requirement on apps <asomething> czajkowski, I've been an ubuntu-dev for years <czajkowski> asomething: so you'd like credit for that, I uderstand :) <asomething> czajkowski, no I want new contributors that are working on touch apps to be full members of the project <asomething> czajkowski, nothing to do about myself <czajkowski> asomething: cool so lets see if we can make this happen:) in some way <czajkowski> \o/ <sabdfl> cheers all <dholbach> thanks :) * dholbach hugs asomething <asomething> =) <asomething> posted a copy of my mail about suggesting a new community mailing list over on discourse: http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/an-ubuntu-community-mailing-list/1241 <dholbach> thanks asomething * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/community-2/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/21/%23ubuntu-uds-community-2.html <popey> vthompson: ahayzen I'll setup your hangout in a bit and post the url here. <ahayzen> popey, thanks <vthompson> popey, cool thanks. Was wondering how that'd get done. * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Track: App Development | Music app 14.04 development | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22054/music-2.0-development/ <popey> vthompson: ahayzen https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpic2ir0rdanj2t33hq2cp34?authuser=0&hl=en <ahayzen> popey, thanks * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/community-2/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/21/%23ubuntu-uds-community-2.html #ubuntu-uds-community-2 2014-11-13 * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/community-2/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/11/13/%23ubuntu-uds-community-2.html * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Track: Community | Scope development how-tos | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22398/scope-development-how-tos/ <alecu> hello! <marcustomlinson> hello <dpm> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeswqrUEsFk0DLnle-xU4bkb18rKMHWhuuUA8A9XE_6-SS_tQ <dpm> for whoever wants to join the hangout <alecu> The Unity Scope Tool is a real time saver when developing scopes (compared to the emulator or even a device). I highly recommend it. <dpm> indeed! <Guest60718> Is building scopes with Python as supported as in qt? <avoine> QUESTION: is it to soon to use the golang api for building scope? <dpm> thanks Guest60718, avoine, we'll get to your questions in a minute <pstolowski> Guest60718, python is not supported <pstolowski> avoine, Go is supported <pstolowski> avoine, we have go bindings for scopes api <alecu> QUESTION: how do you make the query refresh when a settings change? <pasimako> QUESTION: Can I skip preview and execute url link directly from query results? <thostr_> avoine: see also https://godoc.org/launchpad.net/go-unityscopes/v1 <avoine> ok, thanks <avoine> QUESTION: Can you explain how you would build a permanent cache for things like images for example. <avoine> or even json <pasimako> thank you <dpm> fast food on the menu! <dpm> adding location to your scopes in 2 minutes :) <dslul_> QUESTION: how can you change departments at runtime when, for example, a different filter is selected? <avoine> great thanks <belkinsa> Who is running the next session> <dslul_> QUESTION: is it possible to manually change the selected department from code? <belkinsa> dholbach, which session are you going to be in? This one or the ISO one? And do you know who is hosting this one? <dholbach> belkinsa: no idea - I just pinged dpm about it :) <belkinsa> I saw <akiva-thinkpad> hey all <belkinsa> And there he is! akiva-thinkpad, are you hosting it? * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Track: Community | Creating better incentives to contribute to Ubuntu. | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22321/creating-better-incentives-to-contribute-to-ubuntu/ <akiva-thinkpad> belkinsa, would rather not; I'm a hosting newb <akiva-thinkpad> the session at least <belkinsa> Oh, okay. dholbach or dpm will do it for you. <akiva-thinkpad> cool beans <alecu> bye! <avoine> great session, thanks a lot! <dpm> hi akiva-thinkpad, I'll start the session in a minute and give you the link <akiva-thinkpad> sounds cool <belkinsa> I guess i need to start it... <dpm> akiva-thinkpad, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcjXBa0llihbI2UJGrENRz4ChJKvxtUie4x7C0PCCrm3W6xKw <dpm> belkinsa, ah, just saw your message <belkinsa> Thanks <dpm> have you started a session already? Or are you joining that one ^ ? <belkinsa> No, I haven't <belkinsa> I was confused on who was going to do it <belkinsa> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcjXBa0llihbI2UJGrENRz4ChJKvxtUie4x7C0PCCrm3W6xKw <belkinsa> I'm in <belkinsa> Bah, stupid firefox <akiva-thinkpad> lol <belkinsa> Go ahead and start it, I will join later, fi I can <akiva-thinkpad> irc good to go? <dpm> hi all, is the feed coming all right? <belkinsa> Feed is good and streaming <belkinsa> akiva-thinkpad, I think that is the common thing is that people do want to program <belkinsa_> This seems to related to this session as Ali said: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22335/howto-to-use-your-skills-and-experience-to-find-a-job/ <akiva-thinkpad> yah I saw that <belkinsa_> Ah, good. I was just checking <akiva-thinkpad> heh I sort of lamented this session after I saw that <belkinsa> There we are! <belkinsa> Here is one example of one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/belkinsa <belkinsa> Sorry, need to rejoin <cheesehead> Hall of Fame and Ubuntu Accomplishments fell into disuse for valid reasons. Any attempt to ressurect those should address those reasons <belkinsa> Bah <akiva-thinkpad> beklinsa <akiva-thinkpad> lol <belkinsa> Sorry, I thought everthing was working. <toddcnb> a nice certificate of appreciation for loco's to use for greeters at events and places that offer meeting space or local contributions <cheesehead> toddcnb: Not clear to me - who is appreciating the LoCo? <toddcnb> we use schools and restaurants to host meetings and events I would like to thanks them in some-way also we have a lot of non tech people that help with lots of loacal events that I often forget to say thank you for their help <cheesehead> toddcnb: Ah, so LoCos do the appreviating. Yes, that works. <cheesehead> s/v/c <cheesehead> I generally see three types of positive feedback: Simple/automated, interpersonal/relationship, and formal <cheesehead> So far, we've talked about formal - the harest and most resource-intensive <toddcnb> if we had a nice official Ubuntu certificate for them to display <toddcnb> even business that promote Ubuntu would like that <cheesehead> toddcnb: I don;t see why a recognized LoCo can't knock something lovely together. Just as official no matter who drwas it <akiva-thinkpad> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcjXBa0llihbI2UJGrENRz4ChJKvxtUie4x7C0PCCrm3W6xKw come join <belkinsa> Maybe the use of the LoCo with this peer to peer programing could give people reason to get their Membership. <belkinsa> And it could help the LoCo community grow. <cheesehead> belkinsa: Right. LoCos are an example of interpersonal/relationship incentive. <belkinsa> Some sort of LoCo Programing outreach program is what I have in mind but I think outreach may be the wrong word. <belkinsa> This is could be also tied with those programming lessons that dpm and the others are working on. <belkinsa> I think App development days or whatever they are. <toddcnb> many loco's like ours are mostly users few programmers but other loco's are able to assit programming projects <ali1234> the UK loco channel is pretty technical but we don't do anything technical towards ubuntu * cheesehead failed to join the hangout <akiva-thinkpad> interesting <akiva-thinkpad> lol <ali1234> we all do our own things. the only thing UK loco people have in common is we live in the UK. many people there don't even use ubuntu <akiva-thinkpad> If you went to the loco; what do you want to see in regards to an event? <ali1234> actually even that isn't true, plenty of people live abroad as well <ali1234> "went" to the loco? <cheesehead> akiva-thinkpad: Many different kinds of events: Seimnars on topis, show-off meetings, installfests, bug sprints, etc <cheesehead> Going out and having coffee may be non-didactic, but it does build resume references. That's the networking part. <ali1234> the UK loco is pretty much just an IRC channel with people who speak english in it <cheesehead> I know a couple people who got Linux jobs based on knowing people from a local user group. <akiva-thinkpad> interesting <akiva-thinkpad> really? <toddcnb> ubuntu hours are great to fix minor issues and chat with other linux users and show off programs and setups <cheesehead> Is there interest in ressurecting automated feedback/incentives like Ubuntu Accomplishments, or soes everybody just want to get a job? <cheesehead> Some of us already have non-technical jobs, and aren't interested in getting a Linux job. <ali1234> gamification feels like a way to get people to work for free <ali1234> maybe that's just me though <cheesehead> ali1234: Motivates some people, demotivates others. Not for everyone. <akiva-thinkpad> ha ha <akiva-thinkpad> true <belkinsa> ali1234, I agree and it doesn't really promote how good someone is <belkinsa> Wait, I can read. <toddcnb> installfests are very popular for our community <ali1234> many of the old accomplishments weren't even automatic, you had get someone else to verify it <akiva-thinkpad> toddcnb, really? <belkinsa> gamification will promote getting people in but I think there should a way to prove how good people are. <belkinsa> In the skills. <toddcnb> akiva-thinkpad: yes we do two each month but could do 4-5 if we had help <belkinsa> Ali is applying <belkinsa> He just said that on this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards#A22:00 <cheesehead> belkinsa: I think we can all agree that gamification is inappropriate for gauging skills and advanced recognition. But there may be a place for it for new entrants and initial contributions. <belkinsa> I agree with it being a place to get people into the Community and get them started. For there, because they learned the skills, they can maybe apply for the Membership or something like that. <belkinsa> But how will that get them a job in real life, buT can get my answer in Ali's session. <cheesehead> Instead of building new tools, perhaps we should look at existing tools - are we unintentionally giving null- or non-positive feedback to on-ramping contributors? <cheesehead> Learning to Triage bugs in the Bug Squad, for example, is not easy. A simpler on-ramp may help reduce their turnover. <belkinsa> cheesehead, +1 <ali1234> triage is easy <ali1234> just ask if they've tested on the most recent version and set the bug to incomplete <belkinsa> Maybe we need to reboot 5-A-Day or something like that <akiva-thinkpad> http://www.reddit.com/r/UbuntuAppDev/ <cheesehead> belkinsa: But why do 5-a-day? What's the incentive? <belkinsa> Good point. <belkinsa> Never mind <belkinsa> Thanks for the session. <ali1234> btw, the ubuntu-sdk is not something i have ever needed to use while contributing, and i don't see myself ever needing to use it <cheesehead> 5-a-day seems like a good candidate for gamification. * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/community-2/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/11/13/%23ubuntu-uds-community-2.html <akiva-thinkpad> :) <belkinsa> cheesehead, yes, but I think that is only for bugs, but could be moved to development/coding <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, the sdk is still not complete either. <belkinsa> Could this help also: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/ProjectHarvest <akiva-thinkpad> oh neat <cheesehead> belkinsa: +1 <ali1234> akiva-thinkpad: i only use xubuntu, i've no interest in QML app-dev or whatever it's supposed to be used for <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, A performance hound! <akiva-thinkpad> :D <ali1234> i have contributed to ubuntu platform components only to the extent that they are used in xubuntu <dpm> thanks everyone! <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, qml is mainly for the phone which will eventually come out. <akiva-thinkpad> the qml apps can work on xubuntu though <ali1234> yeah, again, not interesting to me at all <akiva-thinkpad> lol * akiva-thinkpad finds the next session <ali1234> if you want me to contribute to that stuff the first thing you need to do is convince me to use it <ali1234> but that will be difficult <cheesehead> ali1234: Okay, how do we convince you to use a certain tool? <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, The pragmatism is strong with this one ~ <ali1234> cheesehead: make it better than the others? <cheesehead> ali1234: So your only criteria is 'better'? <cheesehead> Not more convenient? <cheesehead> Or familiar? <ali1234> yes, for my personal definition of "better"? <ali1234> no, nothing to do with familiarity, i only switched to xubuntu a year ago <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, well qml's main selling point will be touch inteface with the phone. Do you see yourself eventually getting an ubuntu phone? <ali1234> no. <akiva-thinkpad> hmmmm <akiva-thinkpad> ubuntu TV? <ali1234> no <akiva-thinkpad> hmmmm <ali1234> i don't even have a TV <cheesehead> ali1234: If we don't know your personal definition of 'better', we cannot convince you of anything. So why would we bother? Do what you want. <akiva-thinkpad> good <akiva-thinkpad> tv's are evil time wasters <cheesehead> ali1234: It simply meant you're not a good consumer for the 'incentives' under discussion. You seem self-motivated. <ali1234> yes, very much. really the only way to make me contribute more would be to write even more buggy code * cheesehead writes that down <akiva-thinkpad> ha ha <akiva-thinkpad> mental note: write more buggier code. <akiva-thinkpad> btw thanks for joining the irc chat; it made it a lot easier to run my first uos session. <cheesehead> akiva-thinkpad: Sure. Does this mean we can eliminate the get-a-job session later? We seem to have covered that ground. <akiva-thinkpad> cheesehead, doesn't matter to me. <cheesehead> akiva-thinkpad: Nor me. <akiva-thinkpad> although truth be told; I would have cancelled it if I had known that session was going on * akiva-thinkpad grabs some pumpkin pie <ali1234> the reasons i prefer xubuntu involve a lot of things but largely: it is entirely designed for desktop, nothing else. it's a very small code base which is easy to learn all of, and it's a horizontal rather than vertical stack <cheesehead> ali1234: Xubuntu is nice. I used it for many years. <ali1234> by which i mean it shares pieces with a lot of other projects, rather than being a custom UI with custom toolkit running on a custom display server, none of which is used anywhere else <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, have you tried lubuntu as well? <ali1234> so if i fix a bug in Gtk it doesn't just help xubuntu <genupulas> so here anybody can talk ? <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, that is very true. <cheesehead> genupulas: Yes <akiva-thinkpad> genupulas, yep; <genupulas> ok <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, so interestingly a developer from xfce was on linux unplugged podcast awhile back <ali1234> i haven't really tried lubuntu, no. i might if they get some reasonable Qt release going <ali1234> akiva-thinkpad: which one? <akiva-thinkpad> he indicated that XFCE does need some contributors. <ali1234> yeah, i know, i've mostly been working upstream <akiva-thinkpad> I can't recall <ali1234> was probably nick <akiva-thinkpad> I'm not terribly familiar with xfce; but it was made out to seem that the developer community there was more enthuthiast as opposed to official. <ali1234> absolutely <ali1234> i don't think anyone anywhere is paid to work on xubuntu <ali1234> er, xfce <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, so that is interesting ; you contribute upstream to xfce? <ali1234> well, either really <akiva-thinkpad> heh <ali1234> i contribute upstream to all projects <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, o_O <ali1234> i've patches in the kernel, gtk, more stuff than i can remember <akiva-thinkpad> wow <ali1234> when i hit a bug and it affects me, i fix it <akiva-thinkpad> what are you working on these days? <ali1234> hence, i fix what i use <ali1234> last thing i sent a patch for was xfce task manager <ali1234> that was for a bug found in xubuntu testing <akiva-thinkpad> interesting. Do you use github, launchpad, subversion? <ali1234> i use github and launchpad a lot. also errors.ubuntu.com. subversion... only as long as it takes to import the repo into git <ali1234> xfce also has it's own git repos <ali1234> what i think is really lacking is communication between distros and upstream <ali1234> i find so many bugs on distro bug trackers, especially launchpad <ali1234> and upstream doesn't even know about them <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, yah I get that a lot with my compiz bugs <ali1234> oh yeah, compiz <ali1234> i've got a commit on 0.8, but that was after canonical forked it <akiva-thinkpad> oh neat <akiva-thinkpad> what for? <ali1234> so probably nobody is using my fix <akiva-thinkpad> ha <ali1234> fixing the ezoom plugin to work with multimonitor <ali1234> most of my patches are trivial as well, like anyone with a bit of critical thinking could find these bugs <ali1234> that and lots of free time <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, oh nice. best feature of compiz imo <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, what do you use for your ide? <ali1234> yeah, i agree, that's why i ported it to xfwm <ali1234> i don't use an ide <akiva-thinkpad> really? <ali1234> i used to use gedit until they ruined it, now i use mousepad <akiva-thinkpad> vim emacS? <akiva-thinkpad> ah <ali1234> if i am in a terminal i use nano <akiva-thinkpad> never heard of mousepad <akiva-thinkpad> have you ever tried geany? <ali1234> it's exactly like how gedit used to be <ali1234> i found geany to be slightly ugly and very slow <akiva-thinkpad> maybe. <ali1234> i like gtksourceview *shrug* <akiva-thinkpad> I like geany because its easy to run python in it. <ali1234> tat's what terminals are for? <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, just saves a second. <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, one thing I also like is that it works with ubuntu's hud. That is really the selling point for me in unity <akiva-thinkpad> And what I missed in xfce. <ali1234> oh jesus no <akiva-thinkpad> not the dash; the hud :P <ali1234> the hud is horrible, i used unity for over a year and the first thing i did when reinstalling is unbind alt <akiva-thinkpad> although I like the dash as well. <akiva-thinkpad> ah <ali1234> the second thing i did was unbind the windows key <akiva-thinkpad> interesting <ali1234> the third thing was turn off overlay scrollbars and global menu <akiva-thinkpad> different strokes for different folks. I love the hud with gimp because
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