#ubuntu-us-pa 2011-01-01 <mikedep333> hello <mikedep333> my plans fell through for a NYE party <waltman> awww <mikedep333> so I figured I'd chat with some techies that will be celebrating it within the same time zone as me <mikedep333> what IRC channel consists of people in GMT-5? #Ubuntu-US-PA of course! <waltman> of course! <mikedep333> right now I'm organizing tons of paper records/files <mikedep333> wishing they were electronic <mikedep333> any good video stream online for new year's? <mikedep333> so I was pretty interested in the archos 101 <mikedep333> http://www.amazon.com/ARCHOS-101-Internet-Tablet-8GB/dp/B00422W5QO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1293847017&sr=8-1 <mikedep333> an overall well-rounded 10" android tablet <mikedep333> but there's some issues, such as the build quality could be better and the screen has poor viewing angles <mikedep333> you can see the 3.5 star review average <mikedep333> it's more like 4 stars for techies <waltman> I'm just listening to WXPN <mikedep333> oh, good idea <mikedep333> do I stream it to my computer or use a physical radio (such as my chumby)? <waltman> I use my radio, but you can listen heatherjohnson@example.com. They also have an iPhone app. <mikedep333> cool <mikedep333> I just tried to use my chumby's FM radio, and it was picking up station names, but it was like all static or silence <mikedep333> I thought it may be an FM radio that uses headphones as antennas, but plugging in a pair didn't help <mikedep333> so I opened up shoutcast radio, searched for WXPN, and found it <mikedep333> *on the chumby <mikedep333> and I heard a message saying that it costs them money to stream it <mikedep333> so I used my old alarm clock from the 90's or so that my dad gave me, and it's working fine <mikedep333> *alarm clock radio <mikedep333> in the days of the internet you forget about local media <mikedep333> anyway, the archos 70 is getting great reviews <mikedep333> http://www.amazon.com/Archos-70-Internet-Tablet-Black/product-reviews/B00422SH5C/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1 <waltman> Kids these days...It's a radio. You turn it on, and it plays you music. <InHisName> To all who are reading this more than three hours from now . . . ----> Happy New Year !! <waltman> Note that WXPN broadcasts from Philadelphia. You've got to be in the area to pick it up over the air. <mikedep333> yeah <mikedep333> I was hoping for some sort of new years themed show. <mikedep333> now the host is talking <mikedep333> and now he's not <waltman> it's an 80s dance music show <mikedep333> oh. I was wondering <waltman> I'm old, so I like 80s music and I know how to use a radio. :) <mikedep333> I was born in '86, so I was too young to remember any of this. <waltman> I graduated from college in '86 :) <mikedep333> I remember in 1995 or so I bought a boombox with an analog dial for the radio. I was pissed when 1 month later I saw in stores an updated version with a digital dial. <mikedep333> my aunt graduated from Penn (this station's host) around '86 <waltman> that's where I graduated from, too! <mikedep333> nice <waltman> what's your aunt's name? <mikedep333> Lisa DePaulo <waltman> don't recognize the name <mikedep333> http://www.gq.com/contributors/lisa-depaulo <waltman> is DePaulo her maiden name? <mikedep333> oh, she'll never get married <mikedep333> and never has been <waltman> a picture of her would be more useful :) <mikedep333> http://images.politico.com/global/click/100906_depaulo_hardball_522_regular.jpg <waltman> No, she doesn't look familiar <mikedep333> I don't have any pictures of her from her days at Penn though <mikedep333> honestly, I'm not sure what her age is <waltman> I different DJ takes over at 10 <waltman> s/I/A/ <mikedep333> my dad was born in '51 and I know she is much younger <mikedep333> ? <mikedep333> oh, a different DJ takes over at 10 on WXPN <waltman> I was born in '64. <mikedep333> oh, subistitute 'A' for 'I' <mikedep333> my regexp is rusty <mikedep333> I always love it when I see powers off 2 <mikedep333> *of 2 <waltman> It was also a Year of the Dragon! <mikedep333> ahh! <waltman> quite auspicious :) <mikedep333> oh, I remember the funniest asian zodiak story. <mikedep333> 2007 was the year of the "golden pig" <mikedep333> http://haacked.com/archive/2007/01/03/year_of_the_golden_pig.aspx <mikedep333> According to Chinese Folklore, this is an event that occurs once in every 600 years and will ensure that a baby born on this year will experience a prosperous and wealthy life. <mikedep333> "This legend is so popular, that Korea is expected to have a 10% increase in birth rate this year, which is apparently much needed as its birth rate is extremely low." <waltman> heh <mikedep333> well, sure enough <mikedep333> there's lots off computer hardware made in asia <mikedep333> so this was the result: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2007/02/16/tul_powercolor_pig_card/ <waltman> If you know anyone who's Chinese or Korean, this makes perfect sense. <mikedep333> ahh, OK <mikedep333> I understood that the higher birth rate in Korea made sense, but not the golden pig graphics card. <waltman> I mean, of course it's silly, but it all makes perfect sense to them. :) <mikedep333> yeah <waltman> A friend had a baby in 2004, and for the shower a bunch of people gave the mom monkey toys because it was going to be a "monkey baby" <mikedep333> yeah :) <mikedep333> being born in 86, I am supposed to be a tiger <waltman> It's perectly acceptable to refer to a child as a "monkey baby" if you're chinese :) <mikedep333> I see <mikedep333> thanks for enlightening me <mikedep333> however I am definitely not tiger-like <mikedep333> http://www.rainfall.com/horoscop/tiger.htm <mikedep333> I stopped being rebellious after 4th grade. <mikedep333> "When Tigers are injured they need all-out sympathy. Logic does not appeal to them. " - exact opposite of me <mikedep333> I'm an INTJ <waltman> I find it fascinating that you kids these daya don't know how to use a radio, but you all know your Meyers-Briggs score. <mikedep333> waltman, I do know how to use a radio. I just don't like doing it. <mikedep333> I do admit that I appreciate the reliability and low SWAP of analog radio. <mikedep333> my "HD radio" was a huge disappointment <mikedep333> on sale for like $80 (although it had an iPod dock and all) <waltman> SWAP? <mikedep333> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=size+weight+and+power <mikedep333> I think it's a military acronym. <waltman> my radio has considerable size and weight :) <mikedep333> lol :) <waltman> It's almost as old as you are :) <mikedep333> my HD radio's didital/HD signal reception would cut out all the time <waltman> but it does have digital tuning :) <mikedep333> nice :D <mikedep333> because I am/was up in chalfont <mikedep333> depending on the station though <waltman> actually it's a combined receiver/tuner <mikedep333> cool <mikedep333> my dad has one of those <pleia2> my mother said my youngest sister looked like a monkey when she was born (she was a preemie) <pleia2> I still call her Monkey, she hates me :P <mikedep333> one nice thing about "HD radio" is that you can have multiple streams within the same frequency space (at least I think that's how it works) <mikedep333> lol <waltman> pleia2: Happy New Year! <pleia2> waltman: happy new year! <waltman> You're going to have to wait 3 more hours! <mikedep333> so Y-rock on wxpn operates on 88.5-2 <pleia2> it's just after 7 here <pleia2> going out for sushi in a bit, midnight is fireworks at ferry building (which means we didn't make real plans) <mikedep333> *88.5 HD-2 <waltman> I'm just chilling tonight <mikedep333> yeah, same here <mikedep333> well, more like chatting when I should be organizing papers <pleia2> I sorta would rather stay in, was a crazy work week and then spent 5 hours today upgrading ubuntu systems at a school across town * pleia2 is a bit tired <mikedep333> but I'm learning stuff :) <mikedep333> and not using enough emoticons because I don't know how to do them off the top of my head :/ <waltman> pleia2: I'm thinking I might want to try out a new wm in the new year. Any suggestions? <pleia2> wm or de? <mikedep333> wm? <mikedep333> window manager? <mikedep333> ahh <waltman> window manager <mikedep333> and desktop environment <pleia2> I use fluxbox <waltman> or maybe a de! <pleia2> but mostly xfce de <waltman> I'm getting tired of windowmaker. I want something shinier. <mikedep333> I must confess; I'm on windows right now because I had intended to play (demanding 3D) games. <pleia2> I really love xfce <waltman> is that a gnome/kde competitor? <pleia2> yeah <pleia2> it's been around for a long time though, I've used it since 2004 <mikedep333> waltman, it uses GTK and is intended to be light-weight while having a decent amoutn of features <mikedep333> if you have a full 256MB of RAM, it's your best choice <pleia2> it's what the third official ubuntu derivitive, xubuntu, uses (ubuntu is gnome, kubuntu is kde) <mikedep333> *IMHO <pleia2> admittedly xfce has gotten heavier over the years, but it's easier to slim down than gnome or kde <mikedep333> http://www.xubuntu.org/ <mikedep333> http://www.xfce.org/ <pleia2> out of the box xubuntu isn't a whole lot faster than ubuntu <mikedep333> pleia2, yeah <pleia2> and it's less flashy, more customizable <pleia2> lxde has also been growing in popularity <mikedep333> I don't like gnome that much overall because I dislike the lack of options (eg, the screensaver debate.) <waltman> xubuntu uses xfce? <mikedep333> however, it is more polished, stable, and integrated with Ubuntu and it's distro-specific software. <pleia2> waltman: yep <mikedep333> waltman, the "X" in Xubuntu refers to XFCE <mikedep333> there is also LXDE <mikedep333> http://lxde.org/ <mikedep333> early in development, it is intended to be even more lightweight <waltman> Wait, xfce is based on cde? I *hated* cde! <mikedep333> waltman, no, not at all! <mikedep333> LXDE uses GTK and no shared libraries (I think) <waltman> inspired by? <mikedep333> lol, read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xfce for its inspiration/origins/history <mikedep333> and Lubuntu (as in LXDE Ubuntu) is seeking to become an official ubuntu derivative <pleia2> http://princessleia.com/images/MyImages/screen/xubuntu08.png <pleia2> ^^ my xubuntu desktop <mikedep333> http://lubuntu.net/ <mikedep333> you can download lubuntu 10.04 or 10.10 desktop CDs <mikedep333> in 10.10 (at least) there is the LXDE, and the lubuntu-desktop metapackages <waltman> very ... pink :) <mikedep333> although Lubuntu uses an official lubuntu PPA with their desktop CDs <mikedep333> yup <waltman> pleia2: what terminal program do you use? <pleia2> waltman: rxvt-unicode <mikedep333> when I took astronomy classes over the last few years at PSU, I regained an appreciation for astronomy wallpapers <waltman> ah <pleia2> the transparency is handled by xfce compositing though <mikedep333> almsot all the astro faculty use them! <pleia2> mikedep333: astronomy picture of the day is in my RSS reader, I get all my wallpapers from it :) <pleia2> 1) cool images 2) high resolution! <mikedep333> pleia2, my how many systems you have! <pleia2> too many :( <mikedep333> a consistent naming scheme is essential <pleia2> my servers are star wars planets, my LAN is star wars astromech droids <pleia2> except for my mini9, which I named vespa (the princess from space balls) <mikedep333> lol <mikedep333> pleia2, I remember seeing your mugshot on the ubuntu-us-pa forums <mikedep333> I was just visiting: http://princessleia.com/ <pleia2> yeah, I moved away from PA this year :( <mikedep333> aww <mikedep333> http://princessleia.com/plug/attracting_people_to_foss.odp is down <pleia2> thanks <mikedep333> np <pleia2> should be better now <mikedep333> that was quick! <mikedep333> lol, slide 3 in http://princessleia.com/plug/attracting_women_to_foss.odp <pleia2> I am very organized! <pleia2> hehe <waltman> will xfce run all by itself, or do I need to tell it to use a separate wm (like fluxbox)? <pleia2> it uses xfwm <pleia2> but that's included, no need to worry about it <mikedep333> pleia2, yeah, discourse on the internet can be pretty uncivil, hence why FOSS discourse often is * pleia2 nods <mikedep333> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645# <mikedep333> "How Open Source Projects Survive Poisonous People (And You Can Too)" <pleia2> yeah, great presentation <mikedep333> I love the tactic "point to the project statement" <mikedep333> at least I think that's the correct term <mikedep333> or project mission statement <mikedep333> http://www.xfree86.org/mission/ <mikedep333> lol, xfree86 mission statement <pleia2> tl;dr * waltman installs xfce4... <mikedep333> pleia2, I mentioned it to point out that they failed despite having a mission statement <pleia2> yeah <mikedep333> "The XFree86 Project has a group of active developers that is charged with maintaining the technical integrity of the Project" <mikedep333> Cathedral builders! <mikedep333> "Last modified: 9 June 2004" & "Copyright Â© 2003-2005 The XFree86 Project, Inc. All rights reserved." <pleia2> hah, perhaps, but xfree86 was the standard for quite some time <mikedep333> yup, right around when there was the mass exodus for X.org <pleia2> now ubuntu is going to wayland <mikedep333> pleia2, 2004 was when I first seriously go into linux. The xfree86 collapse was one of my 1st memories! <waltman> wayland? <mikedep333> pleia2, yeah, I read about that <mikedep333> it sounds nice <mikedep333> but there's inertia, especially nvidia's <pleia2> all I remember about the xfree86 collapse was how much of a pain debian was to upgrade between xfree and xorg, it was a nightmare <mikedep333> pleia2, I try to avoid upgrading installations as much as possible. I much prefer to clean install. <pleia2> waltman: xorg replacement, there has been much drama about it <mikedep333> but then again, you're a sysadmin for a company <pleia2> luckily none of our systems at work have a gui :) <mikedep333> pleia2, yeah :) <pleia2> but I always do upgrades <waltman> fortunately I've never even heard of wayland :) <mikedep333> waltman, it's just something the young kids play with ;) <pleia2> lol <waltman> Good. Let me know when you've got it working. <waltman> OK, it's installed. Time to restart X. Wish me luck! <pleia2> good luck! <mikedep333> wikipedia has a very good description: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_(display_server) <mikedep333> gl! <mikedep333> pleia2, so applications will be linking against some library to conduct their rendering that's independent of wayland? <pleia2> yeah I believe that's the idea, I haven't looked too deeply into it though <mikedep333> yeah <pleia2> if it goes as planned, it should be transparent to the application though, since it'll support all xorg stuff <mikedep333> I do agree that X.org is bloated with all its legacy functionality. <mikedep333> yeah, backwards compatibility <waltman> shiny! <pleia2> waltman: I actually just use xfce because the mascot is a mouse <mikedep333> just like how pulseaudio has both alsa and OSS wrappers <pleia2> is so cute <3 <mikedep333> pleia2, nice <waltman> how do I get it to launch rxvt-unicode? <pleia2> alt f2 <pleia2> brings up a launcher <mikedep333> pleia2, I was about to say <pleia2> I set up a keybinding for it though <waltman> In wm I had something off the menu with all my terminal apps. <mikedep333> pleia2, I wish Gnome on Ubuntu put my meta key to use <mikedep333> I really like the meta (windows) key shortcuts in windows <pleia2> yeah I guess xfce doesn't put the terminals in one menu (like wm, fluxbox does too) <pleia2> and xfce currently lacks a menu editor (in 4.8 it'll just use gnome's editor, but 4.8 is still in beta) <mikedep333> pleia2, I have to say that I much prefer windows' system of managing menus. Just use .lnk files, and use directories for the menus. <mikedep333> I can right click to edit a menu .lnk <pleia2> I don't think I ever edited a windows menu <mikedep333> or to edit the folders <mikedep333> pleia2, honestly, it's more unix like in that you're representing your menu with directories and files <pleia2> yeah, that sounds nice <mikedep333> in GNOME it's like a right click on a menu item and nothing happens <mikedep333> .lnk support is nicely built into windows <pleia2> xfce used to have a gui editor, but that went away in 4.6 (much to everyone's disappointment - it actually made me switch to gnome for a month) <mikedep333> although they hide the underlying files from you <mikedep333> *file contents <pleia2> fluxbox uses xml or something, enlightenment had plain text config files in some crazy format <mikedep333> pleia2, wow <mikedep333> pleia2, yeah <mikedep333> I remember having to use the command prompt's "edit" command to edit .lnk files manually <pleia2> aaannyway, I am hungry, time to head out for some sushi <pleia2> happy new year mikedep333 and waltman :) <mikedep333> pleia2, happy new year's! <mikedep333> I propose the following new year's resolution for myself: "Less time under windows; more time under linux." <waltman> HAPPY NEW YEAR! * ChinnoDog blows noise maker * waltman sips whiskey <waltman> Oh nice. xfce seems to have hung while I was watching Dick Clark. <IdleOne> .â¢Â°*âËËâ*Â°â¢.Â¸â â âÂ¸.â¢Â°*âËËâ*Â°â¢.Â¸â <IdleOne> ââââ¦âââ¦ââ¦ââ¦âââ â â â <IdleOne> ââââââââââââââ âÂ¸.â¢Â°*âËËâ*Â°â¢.Â¸â <IdleOne> âââââââââ£ââ©âââ â NEW YEAR â 2011 <IdleOne> ââââ©âââ©ââââââ ï¿¥ââ ââ âï¿¥ â â <InHisName> Oh, fooey! It snuck by while I was reading chats. * waltman has returned to old reliable windowmaker :) <ChinnoDog> meh, 2011 <InHisName> HNY - it's 2011 #ubuntu-us-pa 2011-01-02 <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all! <SamuraiAlba> Joe, you're in Camden? <SamuraiAlba> I'm in Sicklerville area. <SamuraiAlba> (I assume you're in the Camden area by your IP) #ubuntu-us-pa 2011-01-03 <MutantTurkey> netsplits :/ <rmg51> got to love those netsplits :-D <MutantTurkey> :p <ChinnoDog> anyone know how I might be able to start a remote X session and launch only gnome-panel without the desktop? I am connecting using NX from Windows. <ChinnoDog> ooh. If I run /usr/bin/gnome-panel it will launch but then some of the applets crash <jthan> ChinnoDog: I feel like jedijf would be best to answer that. <jthan> Why do you want to launch gnome-panel remotely? <jthan> I only said about jedijf because everytime I had a remote session question, or talked about x forwarding, he knew the answer. <ChinnoDog> The visual styling isn't working either. I also tried running /usr/bin/xinit but I get the same thing. No visual styling is applied to gnome-panel though. <ChinnoDog> If I run /etc/X11/Xsession I get gnome-panel with visual styling but also get the desktop and a bazillion little title bars without any windows attached to them. <ChinnoDog> I can't figure it out * ChinnoDog headdesk <ChinnoDog> What provides the visual styling? The window manager? I don't know how that gets launched. <jthan> ChinnoDog: umm.. <jthan> metacity-replace :-P * jthan doesn't think you can run that one remotely <ChinnoDog> I think gnome-session might be the key <ChinnoDog> it IS gnome-session <ChinnoDog> if I pstree I can see it <jedijf> jthan: you don't have to qualify recommending me......or do you? :P <andrew> Do we really need Boxbe invites via the list? <jedijf> seriously <jedijf> central pa folk iirc <andrew> honestly, once is one thing, but twice? <mikedep333> anybody have a recommendation for a screen recorder for windows? I'm preparing tutorial videos for the museum I volunteer for. Right now I'm using camstudio, but it's rough around the edges. At least it can create flash animations (which save tons of space compared to video files.) <mikedep333> also, windows 7 has psr.exe <mikedep333> which is nice <mikedep333> http://camstudio.org/ <JonathanD> I typically have used camstudio :) <mikedep333> http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090111/windows-7-problem-steps-recorder-miracle-tool/ <mikedep333> JonathanD, yeah <mikedep333> I'm using the oct2010 beta version <JonathanD> and then go back and reduce the file using other tools <mikedep333> by default, it does 300FPS for the videos <mikedep333> which made them huge <mikedep333> I set it down to 15 <mikedep333> it has an flash animation convertor <JonathanD> I prefer the huge files, lets me tinker without re-recording <mikedep333> yeah <mikedep333> so amazon.com makes you use their MP3 downloader to download the MP3's you purchase from them (at least for albums, maybe not for individual songs) <mikedep333> at least they have a linux version <mikedep333> I presume that there isn't any DRM on the MP3's once downloaded (I think DRM isn't even possible with MP3's) <mikedep333> JonathanD, do you have a recommmendation for an IRC client for windows? <mikedep333> right now I'm using an xchat build called ychat <JonathanD> irssi running somewhere else ;) <mikedep333> it seems to work best out of those I've tried <mikedep333> lol <mikedep333> I generally prefer to avoid CLI apps for things like IRC <JonathanD> I have too many windows for a gui client. <mikedep333> yeah <JonathanD> one of these days I'll try to make one myself that works a bit differently. <JonathanD> xchat is probably the most usable gui client. <JonathanD> although MS comic chat is clearly a close second. <mikedep333> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ&feature=player_embedded <mikedep333> wow <mikedep333> irssi.org has that on its frontpage <mikedep333> this is going to my youtube list <mikedep333> http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=21BA3922659341DA <mikedep333> "Silly Portrayals of Hacking" <JonathanD> hah <JonathanD> I'm on a boat! <mikedep333> gonna update the software on my Dad's GPS <mikedep333> from windows of course, It's a Garmin <mikedep333> it's probably worth no more than $50 now, but to update the maps (not just the software) costs like $100 <andrew> jthan: So, what did you get at The Clymb? <andrew> If anyone else is interested in The Clymb, have an invite: http://www.theclymb.com/invite-from/AndrewKeyes <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all! <rhpot1991> mikedep333: you can normally get lifetime update cards for cheaper on amazon <rhpot1991> I got one for 50 or so <ChinnoDog> hello BeckySanderlin`x <ChinnoDog> Anyone here use DigiKam to organize their photos? <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all! <ChinnoDog> ... <SamuraiAlba> Wassup, ChinnoDog? <ChinnoDog> Trying to figure out if there is a safe way to add a ppa with latest version of DigiKam but not allow installation of any of the other packages in the PPA <SamuraiAlba> Not sure. <andrew> just down the deb from the ppa? <SamuraiAlba> I havent received updates for ubuntu in 2 weeks. Were there any? <andrew> philly parking authority? <ChinnoDog> andrew: but a) what about dependencies and b) then I won't get updates <andrew> ChinnoDog: true <ChinnoDog> I want to block all packages except the one I want <andrew> dependencies should be easy, but updates will be a pain <andrew> dunno, haven't had that problem yet <andrew> i'd google, but I need to head home <SamuraiAlba> I want the n900 *sniffle* <andrew> ChinnoDog: #3 makes me think you aren't alone in that desire: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/19915/ <ChinnoDog> So, that probably means I can't do it... <ChinnoDog> :-( <ChinnoDog> Newest in Maverick repos is 1.4, latest is 1.7 <ChinnoDog> Apparently it appears in PPAs on a regular basis. It makes me wonder why official repos don't get updated. <ChinnoDog> I added repo, installed select packages, and then removed it <pleia2> official repos only get security and major bug fixes after release, not new versions of the package <pleia2> that's why PPAs exist :) <ChinnoDog> The official repo is 3 versions behind though <ChinnoDog> Oh. You mean that 10.10 will never have > 1.4 because that is what was available at release time <pleia2> 1.3 was current whem maverick froze <pleia2> yes <pleia2> but freeze time is long before release <pleia2> so it's what was current in august <pleia2> 1.4 didn't come out until august 28th, after freeze <pleia2> er, 25th <pleia2> freeze was early august <ChinnoDog> So if you want newer packages the best thing is to have an official ppa? <ChinnoDog> meaning official for the package, not Ubuntu official <pleia2> depends on the package, if you trust upstream to write good packages, sure <pleia2> it's not always a safe assumption though :) <ChinnoDog> k. got it. <jedijf> see why ya need a farm #ubuntu-us-pa 2011-01-04 <mikedep333> rhpot1991, oh, thanks! <mikedep333> bahh, $50 for a one time update: http://www.amazon.com/Garmin-n%C3%BCMaps-Onetime-Navigator-America/dp/B0026MTATW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1294103771&sr=8-2 <mikedep333> only 3/5 stars <mikedep333> $73 for a lifetime update, with only 4 /5 stars: http://www.amazon.com/Garmin-n%C3%BCMaps-Lifetime-America-Updates/dp/B001PKTFM8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1294103771&sr=8-1 <jthan_> andrew: Victorinox money clip w/ knife andw hat not built in. I recently broke my money clip and haven't replaced it yet. I thought that was fitting for a scout <ChinnoDog> tar_over_netcat++ <ChinnoDog> lzop_compressed_tar_over_netcat++ <ChinnoDog> That is so cool seeing all my files go into tar on one screen and see them dumped out a few seconds later on my other screen <SamuraiAlba> mornin, lamalex <SamuraiAlba> How is Maine? <andrew> Morning <ChinnoDog> om nom sheetz breakfast sandwich <jedijf> nom fail, watery oatmeal <jedijf> trade ya <ChinnoDog> I like my oatmeal watery. But, then I cook it extra long so it congeals correctly <waltman> It's easy to fix watery oatmeal -- just cook it a little longer so some more water boils off. <ChinnoDog> That happens too but first the oatmeal turns to glue, which is good if there is a lot of water because it becomes thicker, but bad if you didn't use enough water <ChinnoDog> my oatmeal: one packet, add extra water, cook until polymerized <ChinnoDog> then, add splash of milk <andrew> This sounds too much like science <ChinnoDog> It is! It also conserves oatmeal, and calories. <jedijf> oatmeal_conservation-- <jedijf> ChinnoDog: sometimes I just think you are soooo odd <waltman> ChinnoDog: Hint: you don't get to lecture the rest of the channel about the proper way to prepare oatmeal if your first ingredient is "one packet". <jedijf> waltman++ <jedijf> even though, I too, am a packet guy <jedijf> waltman: oatmeal alert - best oatmeal in philly - coventry deli - 20th& market <waltman> I will on rare occasions make instant, but it's much better if you cook real rolled oats. <jedijf> i once, stopped for oatmeal, got towed, and didn't care - that's how good it is <ChinnoDog> I don't eat instant anymore. For awhile Quaker was making packets that had uncooked oats in it. I bought those because it was easier (and more portable) than mixing flavorings into uncooked and measuring out <ChinnoDog> If you have a recipe to duplicate the flavorings in uncooked oats, I am interested in that! <waltman> I use sugar-in-the-raw. It's got enough flavor that I don't feel the need to add anything else. <andrew> http://i.imgur.com/6edYs.png <ChinnoDog> That isn't enough. WhenI was a kid I was never able to add enough stuff to the unflavored packets in my oatmeal variety pack to make them palettable <lamalex> SamuraiAlba, pretty nice <lamalex> I'm a little homesick but that's expected <ChinnoDog> lamalex: what are you doing in Maine? <lamalex> living <ChinnoDog> I must be.. behind. You moved to Maine? <lamalex> yeah <ChinnoDog> lamalex: when did that happen? <lamalex> a week ago <ChinnoDog> Do you know anyone else up there? <jedijf> you're behind, so go with he knows pleia2 <ChinnoDog> pleia2 does not live in Maine <andrew> Didn't she used to live in maine? <ChinnoDog> Knowing someone that used to live where you are doesn't count. :-p <lamalex> ChinnoDog, no not really <lamalex> I'm pretty much on my own <lamalex> it was kind of a dumb decision <andrew> Go on <erstazi> anyone know a free cellphone carrier lookup service? <ChinnoDog> You mean to identify carrier based on number? <waltman> lamalex: Why did you move to Maine? <erstazi> ChinnoDog: correct. <waltman> Job? <lamalex> waltman, no reason <waltman> crazy! <ChinnoDog> lamalex: Where specifically do you live? <waltman> In a log cabin somewhere deep in the north woods, I bet. <lamalex> no, Portland <lamalex> although I've been looking at land out towards the mountains <lamalex> it's pretty cheap <mikedep333> hey lamalex <lamalex> Hey <mikedep333> I hope you're finding portland nice and bike friendly. <lamalex> wrong portland <lamalex> Maine <lamalex> erm <mikedep333> oh <lamalex> there are still lots of bike lanes and stuff up here <lamalex> just also snow and ice <mikedep333> yeah <mikedep333> as opposed to freezing rain <waltman> Are you finding it cold and snowy? :) <lamalex> waltman, not yet, it hasn't been any worse than philly <mikedep333> it was snowy a week ago! <lamalex> we're getting snow again this weekend though <lamalex> it was in the 50s over the weekend <mikedep333> yeah <mikedep333> it's 40' today <mikedep333> wow, a freenode channel where we can use fahrenheit! <mikedep333> ok, lunchtime <waltman> Wait, so 50F, that's 10C, right? * waltman ducks <andrew> yes <mikedep333> exactly 10C <mikedep333> 32F = 0C <mikedep333> +18F = +10C <pleia2> that's not how it works <pleia2> oh, I see what you are saying <pleia2> :) <mikedep333> I thought 1.8F = 1.0C <mikedep333> yeah <pleia2> yeah <pleia2> I thought you were adding something <andrew> just use w|a like i did <mikedep333> 50 = 32 + 18 <andrew> -40=-40 <mikedep333> 32 being the freezing in F <mikedep333> and if you add 18F, which is the same as added 10C <mikedep333> 68F = 20C = room temperature <mikedep333> *same as adding 10C <andrew> pleia2: I hear they discontinue calendars every december <pleia2> the calendars end, they don't discontinue :P <pleia2> they'd been releasing Disney Days calendars since at least 1997, I've had one every year since then <pleia2> none for 2011 :( <andrew> you don't have a W&G calendar? <pleia2> I have a W&G wall calendar, not a daily one <pleia2> and I only have the wall calendar because it was shipped to me by a company in the UK for promoting some of their new products, they're usually stupid expensive to get here <SamuraiAlba> Netgear - Used for skeet shooting. <mikedep333> SamuraiAlba, yup, nice blue target <mikedep333> although their cheap plastic consumer products deserve more to be used as a target than their blue metal products <andrew> I have one of their blue metal things... apparently the power adapter isn't covered under the lifetime hardware warranty <waltman> pleia2: I picked up a lovely WWF penguin-a-month calendar at Borders last week for 50% off :) <andrew> suggestions as to where to get a 12VDC 1Amp adaptor for a reasonable cost? <waltman> Radio Shack? Microcenter? <waltman> Home Depot? <andrew> Home Depot would have them? <waltman> I confess I don't even know what it is. :) <waltman> But Lowes and Home Depot both stock lots of electrical stuff. <pleia2> I don't actually have a very good place to put a wall calendar <waltman> oh, THAT'S what it is. <waltman> doubtful on the depot. <SamuraiAlba> I have a WPN824 v1 <waltman> possible on microcenter <SamuraiAlba> Dang thing reboots whenever the phone rings or the microwave is used, and then DHCP craps out <ChinnoDog> Are you sure that the outlet it is plugged into is properly grounded? <andrew> tested on multiple outlets, and with an identical (working) adapter <ChinnoDog> How cheap do you want to be? http://www.sciplus.com/index.cfm/go/front.tagged/tag/DC <ChinnoDog> Oh. None of those adapters meet your specs <andrew> Ideally something that works... <andrew> most i've found are about $20 (product + shipping) <ChinnoDog> Wait, your router uses 12 watts? 12v @ 1A seems like a lot... <andrew> it's a http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122203 <mikedep333> andrew, I may have one <mikedep333> there are adjustable adapters <mikedep333> ChinnoDog, that's the absolute max, but yeah <mikedep333> as in the TDP, including power spikes <ChinnoDog> oh. I thought we were talking about something much smaller than that. <mikedep333> andrew, good news. I have Linksys 12V 1A adapter. I think it's a spare <mikedep333> looks like the standard size plug <mikedep333> yeah, it fits in my netgear switch which takes 12V 1.2A <andrew> Now I have to remember where you are located, I was thinking for a moment that I was in #plug, but I'm not. <mikedep333> can anyone suggest any videos for my youtube playlist? <mikedep333> http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=21BA3922659341DA <mikedep333> "Silly Portrayals of Hacking" <mikedep333> nm, found this <mikedep333> http://io9.com/5643388/the-10-goofiest-computer-hacking-scenes-in-cinema-history <ChinnoDog> Is Android on a tablet just like Android on a cell phone, only bigger? <andrew> Is iPad just like iPhone, only bigger? <waltman> pretty much, yeah <andrew> http://www.begeek.fr/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/691404701.jpg <waltman> I mean, it's the same OS, but apps can do more with the increased screen real estate. <andrew> potentially <waltman> it's an iOS world, we just live in it. <andrew> last I checked, Android hasn't been designed to optimally take advantage of tablets <waltman> speaking of which, the Apple App Store goes live on Thursday. <andrew> (and actually limits screen size if you want to official market) <andrew> waltman: so.. what linux has had for years, apple will finally get? <waltman> linux has an app store? <andrew> In concept, assuming that it's like a repository system <waltman> only at a high level <waltman> I have to admit that the iPhone app store, for being an evil corporate monopoly and all that, is actually quite nice. <ChinnoDog> An Ubuntu app store would be awesome <waltman> it would <pleia2> that's what the software center is <pleia2> there are paid applications in it <ChinnoDog> There are? I never go in there. lol * ChinnoDog goes to look <waltman> and...is it awesome? <pleia2> in addition to all the free ones <pleia2> waltman: it is! * waltman also confesses he runs debian, not ubuntu :( <pleia2> I think there are only 3 paid apps at the moment <waltman> hah <ChinnoDog> This app store is not awesome. WEhre are the paid apps? <waltman> but hey, you've got to start somewhere! <ChinnoDog> s/WEhre/where <pleia2> ChinnoDog: there isn't a different between paid and free in the interface, there are like 20,000 free and 3 paid ;) <pleia2> s/different/difference <ChinnoDog> Oh. So, they have a repo but then you have to license it to use it? <pleia2> actually, there should be a "for purchase" section <pleia2> brukkon is a paid app <pleia2> and fluendo <ChinnoDog> Oh. The software center in 10.10 on my desktop has a For Purchase. The one on my laptop in 10.04 is not as organized. <pleia2> I don't think 10.04 has any paid apps <pleia2> 10.10 is when they added it to the software center <ChinnoDog> Well, that is interesting. I don't think it is well known or popular enough to get any developers to scrable to put anything in it though <pleia2> you're an ubuntu developer and didn't know about it..? <ChinnoDog> At least, nothing that didn't already exist as a paid app for linux. <pleia2> I think that would be unusual, it's been talked about a lot <pleia2> planet, news, articles <ChinnoDog> I never have a reason to open software center! <ChinnoDog> I didn't even know what it looked like. <pleia2> heh <ChinnoDog> I always install from command line, synaptic, or ubuntu-tweak <pleia2> but you're saying you wished something existed and it does, I figured you would have at least looked to see if it existed before you complained ;) <ChinnoDog> The Ubuntu implementation of the "app store" is not the same as iPhone / Android, but not because of its functionality. On those platforms you have to go through the store to get pretty much everything. IN this case, it is a part of the OS that new users see and others may never see. <ChinnoDog> I have not published any apps, but I think the allure of iPhone app store and Android market for developers is that you can publish something and people will find it, because it will be shoved in front of them the instant they search for it or something like it. <ChinnoDog> In Ubuntu (and linuxes in general) it is not nearly as easy to accidentally discover a useful application. You have to go on a hunt. <waltman> I think the allure of the app store for many iphone developers is that they'll make some money off of their app. <ChinnoDog> Right, but that will not happen unless 95% of the people out there are exposed to your app <waltman> Well, they're different sorts of apps. Most things I use on Linux can't be summed up with 3 or 4 screenshots. <waltman> they're by their nature much more visual <ChinnoDog> Shareware would work well in Ubuntu because it is easy to add/remove it whenever you wish, and apt will clean up after it <waltman> and they've got a professional marketing staff making sure the front page is all shiny <ChinnoDog> Unlike a certain other operationg system... * SamuraiAlba hides his 9 windows 7 home premium licenses... <andrew> plural? <andrew> wait <andrew> 9 <andrew> why? <andrew> At 9, wouldn't it be easier to manage if you had pro instead of home? <andrew> @ping <andrew> That reminds me <andrew> bts3685|1ps: ping me when you get a chance <SamuraiAlba> Hey.5 at GFs <SamuraiAlba> oops <SamuraiAlba> 5 at GFs <SamuraiAlba> 3 at grammies <SamuraiAlba> and a spare license to go on GFs sisters PC <SamuraiAlba> Went legit :O <waltman> I don't know you people anymore! <SamuraiAlba> I run Ubuntu 10.10 on my lappie and desk <pleia2> ChinnoDog: I think you'll find yourself a very unusual Ubuntu user who doesn't know about the software center, it's what all new users use to get applications <pleia2> synaptic is pretty much gone, most new users won't touch the command line <andrew> I'm wating for the day: < ChinnoDog > I just installed Ubuntu xx.xx and I can't find Synaptic. How an I supposed to install new software other than using the command line? <pleia2> hehe <andrew> I admit I'm still clinging to synaptic (well, mostly the command line) <andrew> But honestly, I just opened USC, searched for 'svn' and Bazaar is the top result <ChinnoDog> There is always aptitude! <ChinnoDog> Although, that is not part of the default install anymore... <andrew> aptitude & vim-full <SamuraiAlba> ok... How do I run multisystem as root? <waltman> aptitude++ <waltman> what does synaptic give you that aptitude doesn't? <deejoe> an s? <ssweeny> a gtk gui? <deejoe> yeah, that <deejoe> ;-) <waltman> Oh, I was thinking it was a command-line app. <SamuraiAlba> gtk gui <andrew> What do you mean by "run multisystem as root"? <deejoe> ssweeny: thanks for the "gtk" qualifier. I've started to get a little . . . hurt . . . with the idea that ncurses interfaces are somehow not considered "graphical" simply because the are character-addressable rather than pixel-addressable <SamuraiAlba> http://liveusb.info/dotclear/index.php? <SamuraiAlba> En Francais <ssweeny> deejoe: i spend enough of my time buried in ncurses interfaces to appreciate them <deejoe> \o/ <MutantTurkey> anyone know if a good usb debugging tool? <andrew> I prefer canned air <deejoe> -.- <andrew> We are talking about getting bugs out of USB, right? <DJAshnar> How do I login as ROOT in Ubuntu 10.10? <MutantTurkey> DJAshnar: use su <DJAshnar> how do I use it? <ChinnoDog> sudo su - <MutantTurkey> yep, or su if you know the root password <DJAshnar> the app multisystem says not root <MutantTurkey> i am getting quite angry at my new android phone, the usb isn't working anymore after the samsung update, i tested on two linux boxes and now i'm giving up home, i reset it but that didn't work :| <MutantTurkey> ssweeny: nothing wrong with ncurses. <DJAshnar> http://liveusb.info/dotclear/ <DJAshnar> trying to run that app as root <DJAshnar> MutantTurkey, which phone is it? and what carrier? <MutantTurkey> DJAshnar: at&t Samsung GalaxyS Captivate <DJAshnar> GSM? <MutantTurkey> gsm? <DJAshnar> Is AT&T a GSM carrier? <MutantTurkey> i have no idea what gsm is <DJAshnar> nm. Found they are. Return your fone <ChinnoDog> Yes, AT&T is GSM <DJAshnar> Buy a Nokia N900 <DJAshnar> Debian deriviative :) <DJAshnar> Best phone I have seen. Android is a pale shadow <ChinnoDog> The answer to "how do I fix this?" should rarely be "stop using it" <andrew> but... does it have angry birds? <MutantTurkey> Android OS is brutally crappy. <DJAshnar> ummm... <DJAshnar> no AB <andrew> MutantTurkey: compared to? <MutantTurkey> andrew: linux <ChinnoDog> MutantTurkey: did you look online to see if the update killed/crippled the USB for anyone else? <DJAshnar> Android sucks rotten goat compared to it. <MutantTurkey> ChinnoDog: yeah i've been doing some googleing around. <andrew> MutantTurkey: Mind being a bit more specific on that response? I don't know of anyone who runs vanilla linux on their phone. <DJAshnar> http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ <DJAshnar> there u go :) <MutantTurkey> andrew: lol <MutantTurkey> the only output i get from dmesg is like this http://pastebin.com/t61eLH86 <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, you updated your captivate from samsung's website? <mikedep333> and it said the update was for the AT&T model? <mikedep333> DJAshnar, the N900 does not do AT&T's 3G frequencies <mikedep333> he'd only be on 2G <MutantTurkey> mikedep333: the only update it did was from the little dialog box under settins <MutantTurkey> i figured that would be safe ._, <mikedep333> otherwise, I would have bought one for myself on AT&T <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, and it updated? <mikedep333> like, a big update? <mikedep333> took minutes? <MutantTurkey> yes <MutantTurkey> it had to reboot and then went to a little update screen and then booted regularly <MutantTurkey> then a few days later i tried to add more music to my phone and the usb wasn't working <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, I wouldn't put it beyond AT&T to put some sort of DRM on their USB connection. After all, they don't allow sideloading of apps. <mikedep333> what are you using to connect your phone? <mikedep333> what software are you using on linux? <MutantTurkey> mikedep333: the regular usb cable <mikedep333> yeah <mikedep333> what software on linux? <MutantTurkey> mikedep333: no software <mikedep333> hmm <mikedep333> that may be the problem <MutantTurkey> Arch Linux box, i just use the command line <mikedep333> yeah <mikedep333> what happened before? <MutantTurkey> well before it would recognize it <mikedep333> the phone prompted you to enable usb storage? <MutantTurkey> yes <MutantTurkey> then i did <MutantTurkey> i plugged, linux registered, android prompted, mounted androided ( i belive, i only did it twice) <mikedep333> they may have made an incompatible update. after all, the only official recognized platform is linux (and maybe OS X), but let's see what we can do <MutantTurkey> :| i also tried enabling usb debugging, rebooting the phone, all the good stuff, tried two different linux boxes as well. <mikedep333> you could install the android SDK. It may help you with mass storage. I've only ever used it for the android debugger (ADB) which is very powerful <mikedep333> http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html <MutantTurkey> i have that installed <MutantTurkey> adb didn't find any phones <mikedep333> did you update? <mikedep333> it has an updater built in <MutantTurkey> yes <mikedep333> and you may have to kill the old adb server or whatever <mikedep333> and run it as root <MutantTurkey> let me re upgrade <mikedep333> ok <MutantTurkey> up to date <mikedep333> hmm <mikedep333> what's the daemon called? <mikedep333> that loads when you run the adb <mikedep333> often I have to run adb as root or with sudo <mikedep333> to make the daemon run <MutantTurkey> okay i'll try that <mikedep333> hold on, let me switch to my linux box <MutantTurkey> daemon started successfully <DJAshnar> ok... know any chants to the old gods? <MutantTurkey> shark bait OOO HA HA * DJAshnar chants for MutantTurkey <DJAshnar> Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! <MutantTurkey> starts tribal dance <MutantTurkey> /o/ <MutantTurkey> \o\ <MutantTurkey> \o/ <MutantTurkey> Phkaaka Phkaaka Phkaaka Chai Chai Raha'hueni Chai Phkaaka Phkaaka Phkaaka Raha'hueni * mikedep333_ starts booting his android tablet <MutantTurkey> (: thanks bro <DJAshnar> Cat just jumped on the lappy... <DJAshnar> BAD PUSS PUSS! <mikedep333_> oh, right, it's not USB powered <mikedep333_> brb <mikedep333_> like 1-2 mins <DJAshnar> I want a Nook Color. Rooted. With the Kindle Reader app... <mikedep333_> hmm, looks like it froze/crashed <SamuraiAlba> BT brought sexy back for pentesting <ChinnoDog> I'm going to be content reading ebooks on my Evo. Cheap ebook readers are B&W only and have management overhead, color e-ink isn't available and color tablets/readers have the same display tech as my phone anyway. <mikedep333_> hmm, ok, I'll just use my phone <mikedep333_> which is much more real supported product <MutantTurkey> :o <ChinnoDog> So, soon as an android phone is released with a large color e-ink display, I'll be there. <mikedep333_> DJAshnar, don't forget about the archos 70 <mikedep333_> it's getting amazing reviews on amazon <mikedep333_> http://www.amazon.com/Archos-70-Internet-Tablet-Black/dp/B00422SH5C/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1294177454&sr=1-1 <mikedep333_> hmm, I thought amazon was selling it <mikedep333_> it's like all 4 or 5 star reviews. and most of the 4 star reviews are by non-techies and/or before the december firmware update <SamuraiAlba> this multisystem app is gonna make me kick a kitten <mikedep333_> sigh, what's the adb command to list connected devices? <mikedep333_> nm "adb devices" <MutantTurkey> okay <mikedep333_> hmm <mikedep333_> I think adb runs as the daemon <MutantTurkey> it does <mikedep333_> hold on, updating to my SDK tools rev8 <mikedep333_> hold on, updating to my SDK tools rev8 <mikedep333_> hmm, did my adb get deleted? <mikedep333_> yeah, it looks like they removed the adb <MutantTurkey> i give up :| <mikedep333_> wait <mikedep333_> I have to install the "platform-tools" <mikedep333_> which I'm doing now <mikedep333_> well, regardless <mikedep333_> you're using the sdk revision 8 <mikedep333_> which has the android 2.3 stuff <mikedep333_> install the platform-tools package <mikedep333_> go to the platform-tools folder <mikedep333_> run: sudo ./adb kill-server <mikedep333_> then: sudo ./adb devices <MutantTurkey> i have adb currently <MutantTurkey> adb devices returns empty <SamuraiAlba> ok... I wanna set fire to my lappy <SamuraiAlba> or the creator of this app. <SamuraiAlba> What OTHER app can I use to make a MULTIPLE ISO USB drive? <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, I think my phone isn't working properly <mikedep333> I have an acer with a custom ROM <MutantTurkey> Mine is also <MutantTurkey> i have no custom rom though :/ <mikedep333> acer never supported it very well anyway <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, I hate to ask, but do you have any windows systems to test your phone with? <mikedep333> you might be able to use bluetooth too <mikedep333> or a card reader if you're using a microSD card <MutantTurkey> nah i dont <MutantTurkey> my mom has a work laptop i might be able to use <MutantTurkey> i'll have to call her and ask her to bring it over <mikedep333> hold on <mikedep333> my tablet is working without its battery in it <MutantTurkey> o.o <mikedep333_> alright <mikedep333_> my tablet is detected now under linux <MutantTurkey> i think i'll try and reset it <mikedep333_> yes <mikedep333_> USB storage works <MutantTurkey> darn <MutantTurkey> what firmware are you using? <mikedep333_> MutantTurkey, I am using android 2.2 <MutantTurkey> oh shucks <mikedep333_> but my tablet is a witstech A81E <mikedep333_> it's only sold to people in the US through importers <mikedep333_> but the important thing is <mikedep333_> the adb should be picking up your phone <mikedep333_> it should give the device an ID <mikedep333_> when you run sudo ./adb devices <mikedep333_> after running sudo ./adb kill-server <mikedep333_> with USB debugging enabled <MutantTurkey> i don't think adb will do anything <MutantTurkey> because the kernel isn't detecting it properly <mikedep333_> what's it outputting? <MutantTurkey> adb devices <MutantTurkey> gives nothing <mikedep333_> after you ran adb kill-server? <MutantTurkey> dmesg gives unable to enumerate USB devices blah blah blah <MutantTurkey> yes <mikedep333_> as sudo both? <mikedep333_> oh <mikedep333_> oh <mikedep333_> I get unable to enumerate device too <MutantTurkey> crap <mikedep333_> wait <mikedep333_> that may have been from before <mikedep333_> arrgh <MutantTurkey> i've gotta go eat dinner <mikedep333_> these kernel time messages <mikedep333_> ok <mikedep333_> I'll be eating dinner soon too <MutantTurkey> i'll hit you up later tonight <mikedep333_> ok <mikedep333_> I'll be around. <mikedep333_> MutantTurkey, http://paste.ubuntu.com/550415/ <mikedep333_> there's my output <mikedep333_> w/ USB debugging enabled <andrew> Have you gotten the bugs out of your USB yet? <mikedep333> andrew, with my phone, no. with my tablet, yes <mikedep333> I don't feel like messing with my phone because I am probably going to upgrade to cyanogenMod (the kick ass FOSS "distro" of android) in a week or two. <lamalex> jthan, I'm building a new bike <lamalex> it's looking AWESOME <pleia2> is it pink? <waltman> does it have SNOW TIRES? <pleia2> hehe <waltman> I should make some dinner. <erstazi> pleia2: are you still in Cali? <waltman> She's in virtual Cali <BeckySanderlin`x> cali? <erstazi> BeckySanderlin`x: shorthand for California <BeckySanderlin`x> virtual Cali? <waltman> she's really in a holodeck in JonathanD's basement <pleia2> erstazi: yep <erstazi> pleia2: how is it? I miss Northern Cali. Souther Cali, not so much. <pleia2> erstazi: I am a bit jealous of your snow, but I really do love it here <waltman> it's cool and damp, much like JonathanD's basement :) <pleia2> first time living in a city too, it's very novel to have a coffee shop in the same building as where I live <pleia2> haha <erstazi> pleia2: no you are not. We, in Erie, got 38" in 24 hours. <waltman> I'm jealous of the chipotle across the street :) <waltman> a chipotle that sells beer! <lamalex> I wish I had paid more attention in my operating systems and C class where they taught us how to do hex <pleia2> I like 38" in 24 hours! <waltman> lamalex: It would help much with your hex bolts! <waltman> s/would/won't/ <lamalex> oh damn, really? <lamalex> see, if I had paid attention I would have known that <waltman> sorry <pleia2> lol <waltman> How can you get a CS degree and not know how to do hex? <lamalex> Temple! <lamalex> woo! <waltman> what did they teach you at Temple? <lamalex> I can do hex <lamalex> just not well <waltman> what's there to know? <lamalex> like I was trying to figure out if I could bit shift 0xff00ff into 0xff0000 <waltman> nope <lamalex> right so that's probably why I couldn't figure it out <lamalex> but the fact that I didn't know that bummed me out <lamalex> I could do two shifts though right <lamalex> shift 0xff00ff into 0xff00 and then 0xff00 into 0xff0000 <waltman> you could also do 0xff00ff & 0xffff00 <lamalex> yah <lamalex> no <lamalex> yah <waltman> or 0xff00ff & 0xff0000 <lamalex> right that's why I said no the first time <lamalex> long story short no pleia2 it's not pink but it's red <lamalex> apparently I'm not as bad with hex as I thought, but just am not /comfortable/ around it <lamalex> jthan, pay attention in class <lamalex> good advice <pleia2> red is acceptable <lamalex> otherwise you'll end up like me, with a sweet job but ALONE <lamalex> bald, depressed <waltman> once you get some road salt caked on it, it'll look pink anyway <mikedep333> lamalex, did you state why you moved to portland? I thought Canonical's only US ofice is in Boston. <lamalex> mikedep333 yah i work from home <lamalex> i move for no reason <mikedep333> that's very rational <lamalex> yah, I'm realizing that <lamalex> it sounded like a good idea at the time <mikedep333> famous last words <waltman> It's good to be
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