#ubuntu+1 2007-07-01 <ryancr> is the group plugin available in gutsy's compiz-fusion? <Pici> I see it on the list, but I dont personally use it. <ryancr> which list? <crdlb> !find libgroup.so gutsy <ubotu> File libgroup.so found in beryl-plugins-unsupported, beryl-plugins-unsupported-dbg <Pici> In CompizConfig Settings Manager <crdlb> :/ <ryancr> well i found it in gconf, but there is only a single enable/disable checkbox... and it doesn't seem to do anything <crdlb> yeah look in ccsm <Pici> Although, it might be broken like cubereflex is :/ <ryancr> doh, thanks.. i didn't scroll down far enought in ccsm ;( <ryancr> hmm yeah.. enabled it.. still doesnt seem to do anything <ryancr> yep no luck...damn.. wanted to try it out <Pici> Looks like it has the same issue as cubereflex <Pici> You want to file the bug, or shall I? <ryancr> is there any other data i can grab? some compiz error log or something? <Pici> I attached strace and looked for file operations: <ryancr> i wonder if Super+s is used for something else, i only ask cuz if i try and do a super+s on a terminal it just types the letter 's' in the terminal <Pici> open("/usr/lib/compiz/libgroup.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) <Pici> its in the non-official packages... <ryancr> well that looks like what is going on with mine, no libgroup.so there either <ryancr> is there anyway to change the color that shows after gdm login but before the desktop displays? <ryancr> i thought i read somewhere before that this color(brown) is hard coded somewhere but it can be changed <jriachi> hello <jriachi> i am running kubuntu gutsy, what would the best way to get compiz running, i get no windows decorations when i follow the tutorial i found in ubuntu.com :S <DanaG> heh, nice bug title: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/112084 <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112084 in aptitude "aptitude wants to commit suicide (and take all system with it)" [Undecided,Confirmed] <jriachi> (argh... that libc6 g_thread_init() bug , is going to drive me crazy ...) <jriachi> can i use libc6 from feisty or something? <deobfuscate> So how stable is tribe 2 at the moment <starz> h3sp4wn, sorry i had been up all night and crashed the hell out <starz> yeah i use the same partition for / and /boot <starz> i just seperate swap and home out <starz> swap is shared across distros as is /home <starz> hm <starz> perhaps you were hinting at using a shared /boot partition <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/121833 <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when at idle or on battery." [Undecided,New] <DanaG> hmm, I see other brightness bugs that may be related. <Hobbsee> hiya starz, DanaG <starz> sup thar Hobbsee ^_^ <starz> still hadnt gotten to installing the dealio b/c i fell asleep >_< <Hobbsee> i'm contemplating what to upload to the archive next :P <Hobbsee> how's that for an answer? <starz> mm <starz> how about some gnu porn>? <starz> we could make a non-official repo for hawt walls <Hobbsee> hmmm...nah. i suspect i might lose my upload rigths for that <starz> kinda like the old ones but hAWTer <starz> dar <starz> n <starz> well what are our options? <starz> :) <starz> hm <starz> well i managed to boot into the live cd lol <Hobbsee> that's a start <Hobbsee> starz: and then it all broke? <starz> naw actually its working ok <starz> installed nvidia glx and xchat <starz> btw <starz> can i mention that i think xchat should REALLY ship with the default package <starz> or irssi or SOMETHING <starz> should be a command like 'help' or so so someone could theoretically know nothing and type in that and come to the irc chan lol <starz> yeah i think im gonna replace my feisty install with this :> <starz> [edgy is my regular install] <starz> btw <starz> is there a way to start the installer so that it installs it with the preferences and packages i have in now? <starz> [thats another one thats always bothered me lol] <starz> and ive also always wondered if there was a way to take and do the um <Hobbsee> starz: space <starz> i forget what its called but its popular with say knoppix and dsl where u write the image to a partition and always boot like its live, just have a settings partition seperate <Hobbsee> but yeah, i'd like irssi <starz> Hobbsee, space?? <Hobbsee> starz: yes. on the cd. <Hobbsee> as in, the distinct lack of it <starz> o <starz> yeah. <starz> irssi is pretty small >.< <Hobbsee> !info irssi <ubotu> irssi: terminal based IRC client. In component main, is optional. Version 0.8.11-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 1027 kB, installed size 2796 kB <starz> but yeah i know yall think about that stuff <Hobbsee> 1mb <starz> owow <starz> almost a meg eh <starz> nirc? <starz> is that it? <Hobbsee> they had to kick 14, else the ubuntu cds wouldnt work <starz> one sec <Hobbsee> you can use dpkg --set-selections and dpkg --get-selections <Hobbsee> man dpkg tells you more <starz> tinyirc <starz> kay let me look at man thanx <starz> anyway how goes you weekend? :) <Hobbsee> starz: bleh. http://community.livejournal.com/customers_suck/22288123.html <Hobbsee> starz: having to work at $current employer is painful <starz> gah <starz> btw <starz> i'm perfectly capable of paying while on cell <starz> [its called cash in hand :P] <Hobbsee> huh? <Hobbsee> oh <starz> :P smoke brb <Hobbsee> not when you're requesting cigarettes or phone credit <Hobbsee> because you actually have to stop your conversation, ask me what you want, and then go back to your conversation <starz> ah <starz> fair enough <starz> aahh <starz> so --get-selections to write currently in to that stdin and --set-selections to confirm thats what i want or so <starz> tho seems that the second one when pushed in from here is taking forever lol <starz> well let's hope it doesnt kill the partitions here we go :> <starz> !info tinyirc <ubotu> tinyirc: a tiny IRC client. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.1.dfsg.1-1 (gutsy), package size 26 kB, installed size 116 kB <starz> hehe <starz> uh oh <Hobbsee> heh, nice <starz> yeah tinyirc is useable - for emergencies anyway which is all i would want it to be for in the instance im talking about... well lets try the hdd install again :P <starz> ,, <starz> mm***. <starz> its hanging on step five after scanning hdd partition types when i tell it manual partitioning.... <starz> !alternate <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD - See also !Minimal <starz> !minimal <ubotu> The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD <Hobbsee> starz: oh, so you got to that <Hobbsee> starz: kill the installer, run ps aux | grep ubiq and kill any of those processes <Hobbsee> starz: then run "sudo ubiquity" from a console <Hobbsee> then it will work <Hobbsee> starz: (known bug, listed on the release annoucement) <starz> ah i missed it :P <starz> ooo i like this: i get logging output in the terminal ^_^ <starz> hm the other thing ive been wondering about is if there's a way to get ubuntu to quit using udev - with multiple installs the id's of various partitions tend to change - i'm always playing with something new and while ive been manually rewriting the /etc/fstab to reflect fs type and partition just curious <starz> woo hoo! looks like we are in business! <Hobbsee> :) <starz> :) <starz> kekeke <starz> i cant wait to break it :D <DanaG> Argh, the boxfit xscreensaver locks up Xorg. <mon^rch> how is stability for gutsy? <Jordan_U> mon^rch, The only crashes I have had were from running openGL apps ( gnash ), but that is in VMware with no 3D acceleration <h3sp4wn> VMware is quite a well tested environment though - real hardware may have issues (depending on how obscure it is) <pvandewyngaerde> in my bootchart i see a sleep command after dhclient that slows down boot by 3 seconds after, can i disable that ? <coNP> pvandewyngaerde: do you use dhcp networking? <pvandewyngaerde> http://pietervandewyngaerde.googlepages.com/gutsy-20070701-2.png <h3sp4wn> pvandewyngaerde: edit the script <pvandewyngaerde> ok, i set my unused eth not to dhcp anymore <pvandewyngaerde> i guess that was the prob <pvandewyngaerde> disabling readahead will not improve it i guess <pvandewyngaerde> allthough it takes up 5 seconds <h3sp4wn> just change the boot line to be init=/bin/dash (speed up boot massively) - Is there much point (with a development version where any changes you will have to reapply to any updates you get) <pvandewyngaerde> i'm just playing and learning <pvandewyngaerde> doens't that only bring up a shell ? <kougaro> hello <pvandewyngaerde> hello <kougaro> i have a bug with blender, it crashes everytime, do anyone have problems with it? <h3sp4wn> pvandewyngaerde: Yeah it does - fast though <gnomefreak> kougaro: file a bug :) <kougaro> i get this error msg : Ignoring Xlib error: error code 171 request code 147 <kougaro> then core dumped <kougaro> sure, i just wanted to know if there was someworkaround i didn't know of :-) <pvandewyngaerde> h3sp4wn: i prefer full boot to gui <gnomefreak> kougaro: not much that error tells us file bug add the full error and if on gutsy you should have gotten a pop up saying want to send this to developers <kougaro> ok, btw i did not get any pop up. <h3sp4wn> pvandewyngaerde: I don't just boot a shell but if I want X I just use startx <gnomefreak> that popup is very very important to let send the info now <gnomefreak> kougaro: if core dumped you should have if on gutsy as apport has been turned on <kougaro> i will fill a bug report the normal way :-) <gnomefreak> kougaro: attach /var/crash/_usr_.... file <kougaro> gnomefreak : ok, thank you <h3sp4wn> gnomefreak: What has happened/happening about smart-pm <gnomefreak> smartpm works last i heard <h3sp4wn> gnomefreak: Was it not supposed to be the default package manager by now <gnomefreak> h3sp4wn: you have to give me more, i can find out anything but i have hands full thanks to everyone wanting new packages in gutsy <gnomefreak> h3sp4wn: no <gnomefreak> its not built up enough to take over for apt <h3sp4wn> I am sure I read somewhere of canocial employing someone to work on it <h3sp4wn> ages ago <gnomefreak> h3sp4wn: you did <gnomefreak> h3sp4wn: i will ask when this will happen but it wont happen for gutsy <gnomefreak> the developer of apt/smartpm/among others our schedules conflict something awfull now but i should see him in morning since i have sunbird issues i should be here <eagles0513875> gnome u a core developer <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: no * gnomefreak hasnt even gone up for muto yet <eagles0513875> ok <gnomefreak> motu <eagles0513875> kool <jriachi> hello <gnomefreak> hi <jriachi> any idea about how to fix/workarround the gutsy libc6 g_thread_init() bug? <gnomefreak> jriachi: its a warning ignore it <gnomefreak> jriachi: it will get fixed before release * gnomefreak faces big issue with fixing that <gnomefreak> how do you make an app call g_thread before calling glib if it never uses g_thread or any other glib threads <jriachi> a lot of applications are failing :S <jriachi> (not important, since it is not my main machine.,, but somehow irritating.. ) <gnomefreak> jriachi: failing or giving the warning <gnomefreak> jriachi: the warning is not causing crashing <DanaG> Odd: I haven't gotten any apport crash-report notifications. <gnomefreak> they are separate issues <jriachi> gnomefreak: i know the warning is not causing the crash... but e.g amule fails to open the preferences dialog crashing instead <gnomefreak> jriachi: right but that is not related the crash is being caused by something else. if the warning wasnt there it would still crash. <jriachi> vlc crashes.. <gnomefreak> jriachi: hint warning has always been there but the older glibs hid it from users <gnomefreak> jriachi: not any more <gnomefreak> jriachi: its been fixed or i forgot to upload it <jriachi> gnomefreak: the amule bug or the vlc bug? <gnomefreak> vlc should be fixed <jriachi> (good movement, not hidding the warning, imho) <gnomefreak> bad <jriachi> gnomefreak: i am using the .es. mirror, maybe it is not sync yet <gnomefreak> never good to hide thengs from people that is how we ended up where we are <gnomefreak> jriachi: this was 3 weeks ago <gnomefreak> matter of fact that was the app i used to test this glib warning to see if it was glib or if it was app <jriachi> vlc 0.8.6.release.c-0ubuntu1, here <jriachi> gnomefreak: and was the app.. <jriachi> is that the version i should have? <gnomefreak> it was a lib failing libvlc i think but its been so long ago, im looking to see if maybe i uploaded it to my repo <gnomefreak> 0.8.6.release.c-0ubuntu1 <gnomefreak> jriachi: mine isnt crashing at all <gnomefreak> jriachi: it used to, asac remembers the 2 days i spent on that chasing my tail <gnomefreak> ;) <gnomefreak> jriachi: but yes the crash that was happening was not related to glib warning and was fixed <gnomefreak> if its crashing now you need to file bug report and attach crash log to it <jriachi> http://rafb.net/p/3MJLcu62.html , gnomefreak <gnomefreak> jriachi: that is the crash that was fixed <gnomefreak> :( <gnomefreak> file a bug with that on it <jriachi> ok, i will :) <gnomefreak> jriachi: run command like this <gnomefreak> G_SLICE=always-malloc vlc <gnomefreak> let me know if it opens and stays open <jriachi> opens and stays open <gnomefreak> jriachi: good <gnomefreak> jriachi: file a bug <jriachi> and plays a .mp4 i had in a nfs folder :) <gnomefreak> jriachi: apt-cache policy glibc <gnomefreak> g=for get that <gnomefreak> apt-cache policy libglib2.0-0 <gnomefreak> what version is installed? <jriachi> ============================================================= <jriachi> $ vlc --version <jriachi> VLC media player 0.8.6c Janus <jriachi> sorry :( <gnomefreak> what does apt-cache policy libglib2.0-0 show as installed version <jriachi> i pasted the selection instead of the clipboard <jriachi> Installed: 2.13.5-0ubuntu3 <gnomefreak> hmmmm <gnomefreak> jriachi: ok some where there is a regression than because the version of glib and the version of vlc are correct, please try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade <gnomefreak> let me know if it updates anything other than gcc g++ and 2 or 3 others <jriachi> (deleted source es.archive, now trying with us.archive, just in case :) ) <gnomefreak> we had a few tool chain updates this weekend that wouldnt affect vlc thats why i said that <gnomefreak> jriachi: use gb <gnomefreak> us is a failure of an archive <gnomefreak> its down more than it needs to be * DanaG has the upstream archive.ubuntu.or (or is it com?) and mirrors.kernel.org <DanaG> Put kernel.org above the official mirror, and it will be preferred if it is up to date. <DanaG> Kernel.org sits on an insanely large pipe. <jriachi> with us. --> 162 upgraded, 5 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. (mmm... es.archive is out of sync) <gnomefreak> jriachi: yep <gnomefreak> thought so <gnomefreak> theres a lib or 3 that you havent fully updated since it was fixed <DanaG> http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/ <jriachi> gnomefreak: btw, the amule is also fixed by the always-malloc #ubuntu+1 2007-07-02 <DanaG> I wonder why my framebuffer fails to resume. <__mikem> Its alpha software <h3sp4wn> Very little of it is alpha <PriceChild> until it reaches beta it is alpha <PriceChild> (beta of 1.0 ) <h3sp4wn> PriceChild: I am talking about the software contained in the distribution <h3sp4wn> labelling something that was released as stable by the people who wrote it <h3sp4wn> alpha is just misleading <DanaG> woah-oh-oh, I just fixed resume!@ * DanaG goes and spams exclamation points to himself <DanaG> SAVE_VBE_STATE=true <DanaG> POST_VIDEO=false <DanaG> SAVE_VIDEO_PCI_STATE=true <PriceChild> who released it as stable? <PriceChild> remember gutsy is still alpha <DanaG> woah-oh-oh, I just fixed resume! <DanaG> woah-oh-oh, I just fixed resume! * DanaG runs off to run 'yes \!' <Joanie> any tips on getting evolution (re) working? (it dumps core) <DanaG> SAVE_VBE_STATE=true POST_VIDEO=false SAVE_VIDEO_PCI_STATE=true <DanaG> yahoo! <h3sp4wn> PriceChild: The software contained is more the work of other people not involved in anyway with ubuntu (Debian even does more work and they do a trivial amount compared to upstream) <crdlb> the packaging is alpha <PriceChild> gutsy is alpha... <crdlb> and that's enough to make a system completely unstable <PriceChild> don't ever think, or persuade others otherwise until the beta comes out * DanaG runs off to install Feisty on some old P3-Celeron 700MHz laptop. <h3sp4wn> PriceChild: Don't tell me what to think I will make my own mind up thx <PriceChild> i'm not telling you what to think <PriceChild> i'm telling you what _is_ <DanaG> People I know like to ask me this: <DanaG> "You're running Gutsy already? Why? You must be a glutton for punishment." <DanaG> Or things like that. <Joanie> Actually, all things being equal, Gutsy doesn't suck too badly in the stability department these days (not that I'd recommend others install it yet) <gnomefreak> hell the tool-chain has a bunch of breakage <Joanie> for me at this point evolution is the only thing that's hosed <h3sp4wn> The toolchain is not using the new gcc (or libc6) <h3sp4wn> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/launchpad/+spec/grumpy-groundhog (if that is implimented then that would be alpha) <gnomefreak> we are using 4.1 iirc <gnomefreak> reason for not using 4.2 was as i recall its slower and more unstable than 4.1 we were going to use it but the devs i guess decided against it <gnomefreak> but thats beena while * gnomefreak goes to bed <DanaG> What time zone? <gnomefreak> EST its 8:28 <DanaG> aah. <gnomefreak> but i get up at 3-4am <DanaG> Wow, that dude left droppings on my screen. <llol> hello folks <llol> whats the process to reload a NIC card <llol> that cant be seen by the network manager <llol> ? <DanaG> unload the module, and reload the module. <llol> how so <llol> lol <llol> im kinda new to this kinda issue <llol> RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ <llol> this is the card that can be seen in hardware info <llol> the light is on <llol> ive restarted the machine and nada <DanaG> Hmm, I don't see a relevant module for that network card..... <DanaG> I wonder if ndiswrapper works with wired ethernet. <llol> i had a similar card in there <llol> a rtl8139C <llol> so i got another one <llol> and it aint being seen at all <DanaG> Argh, how do you install Ubuntu on a system whose CD drive gives read errors out the wazoo? <llol> in the network manager that is <DanaG> Does ifconfig see it? <llol> by replacing the cd rom drive <llol> nope <DanaG> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows <DanaG> Nothing in ifconfig... there must not be a driver for it. <h3sp4wn> DanaG: netboot / usb flash drive - put the drive into another machine tons of ways <DanaG> That system doesn't boot from USB, either, I believe. <DanaG> I'll go with the install-from-ntldr method. <llol> Linux driver (driver has built-in the kernel) <llol> thats what the realtek site says about it <h3sp4wn> llol: try the other module - (8139cp and 8139too) <DanaG> Every time i see the name 'llol', I think you're saying 'cisneroselizabeth@example.net. <llol> "lspci" <llol> sees it <llol> oh sorry <llol> sudo modrprope 8139cp <llol> ? <h3sp4wn> Is eth0 present in - sudo ifconfig -a <DanaG> wow, there's a module 8139cp? That's a bad name -- it should have 'r' or 'rtl' in front. <jriachi> i am a happy gutsy-trevio compiz user :) <RAOF> jriachi: :/. Using Gutsy's Fusion packages will allow you to file bugs (and get them fixed), thus benefiting all of Ubuntu. <jriachi> RAOF: i know, but gutsy fusion failed which segfault, core dump <jriachi> as soon as is a little more stable, i'll change from trevio to official <RAOF> Works for me, right now : <RAOF> :) <jriachi> you are lucky :) <jriachi> *(failed with) * DanaG uses Gutsy because brokenness can be fun to fix. Sometimes. <DanaG> Argh, I dislike the too-apple-ish OSD thingy. <jriachi> DanaG: what osd? <DanaG> The composited volume OSD. <jriachi> :S i can't resize windows via alt-button2? * RAOF can't deselect the Alt+F8 resize shortcut. <DanaG> Aargh, <DanaG> I unplugged AC, and my system went into sleep. <RAOF> :) <DanaG> Immediately. <DanaG> With no battery warning or anything. <RAOF> Ba baw. Go g-p-m! <DanaG> Oh, and my battery was full. <Hobbsee> yay, broken! <RAOF> You haven't yet taught g-p-m that full battery != critically low? :) <DanaG> Battery tab's "Dim display brightness by" disagrees with AC tab's "Set brightness to". <DanaG> Well, the odd thing is, it didn't say anything about it being critically low, either. <RAOF> DanaG: Really? <DanaG> By disagrees, I mean, you'd expect one to act like the other, but they don't. <RAOF> Actually, the set/dim by combination seems to make a bit of sense to me. <RAOF> But I suppose it's not obvious, if you don't actually read the text :) <DanaG> I set it to 25% when on battery, but I was surprised when it went to 75% brightness. <DanaG> That's backwards. <DanaG> Or the AC one should be "dim by .... 0%" <DanaG> Which proves how absurd it is, in a way. <Hobbsee> RAOF: did you ever get a sponsor for democracyplayer, btw? <Hobbsee> speaking of brokenness? <RAOF> Hobbsee: In Ubuntu? Yeah, it's uploaded, and works for me(tm) <Hobbsee> cool :) <RAOF> Democracyplayer hasn't been broken (for me) since Feisty :) <Hobbsee> heh <RAOF> And I don't think it's broken for anyone else, based on the lack of new bug reports. <Hobbsee> neat! <RAOF> Oh, yeah :) <RAOF> DanaG: Actually, the AC one sets the baseline, and the battery one says how much dimmer than that baseline it should be on battery. Maybe it could be better worded, but it seems obvious to me :) <DanaG> What if baseline is 75%? <DanaG> What would "dim by 50%" mean -- 75 - 50 or 75 * .50? <RAOF> Then I think that it's .75 * .5 <DanaG> That's bad for me -- I can only use discrete steps of 12 or 13. <RAOF> Man, your hardware sucks. <RAOF> There's a g-p-m bug about that, presumably. <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/121833 <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when at idle or on battery." [Undecided,New] <DanaG> My report. <DanaG> Some laptops allow only steps of 10%. <RAOF> So g-p-m should just use the nearest one. <DanaG> The hard thing is, the kernel doesn't give any way to retrieve that data from sysfs. <RAOF> Oh. <jriachi> mmm... can i check which packages are from which repository (or at least find the trevio ones?) <DanaG> ARgh, why does my hard drive keep spinning up and down? Doesn't that add wear to the drive? <RAOF> jriachi: apt-cache policy ? <RAOF> jriachi: That'll tell you which repository a particular package is from. <jriachi> RAOF: and the reverse, given a repository get a list of packages? <DanaG> Hmm, pulseaudio adds power usage by not allowing the codec to switch off, it seems. <RAOF> jriachi: Uuuuum. :-/ <DanaG> Synaptic can tell you that, I think. <jriachi> installing synaptic <DanaG> Ooh, using only 22 watts. <DanaG> For my system, I'm rather surprised. <DanaG> Yonah 1.83GHz cisneroselizabeth@example.net, with 1GB DDR2-667, with 128MB GeForce Go 7600 (in 2D mode currently), <DanaG> and a 17" matte (and really dim) LCD at lowest brightness. <jriachi> DanaG: how did you got to know the watts? <DanaG> powertop tells me. <DanaG> Or gnome-power-manager's graph can tell you. <DanaG> Ooh, now only 22 watts. Pulseaudio keeps popping up and powering up my sound card. <DanaG> Xorg : do_setitimer (it_real_fn) <DanaG> Looks like "it_real_fun" <DanaG> Wow, powertop is extremely buggy when resizing. <DanaG> hah: gpm: 45 minutes, 54%. <DanaG> ACPI: 1 hour 8 minutes, 54%. <DanaG> Big deeeeeference. <lamalex_> anyone have desktop-effects working with fglrx and xgl? <jriachi> DanaG: powertop tells me "no acpi power information", there should be my watts, :S? <RAOF> If you are on AC, then you won't get power info. <DanaG> Oh, here's a feature of the e1000 module: It powers down the PHY when no cable is inserted, if you pass "SmartPowerDownEnable=1 <RAOF> Ooooh <DanaG> You know what'd I'd love to be able to do with Linux? <DanaG> When people say "You should try OS X", I'd love to be able to say this: <lamalex> date a model? <jriachi> surprise us :) <jriachi> model a date? <DanaG> "Who needs it? I can already do everything you love about OS X in Linux." <lamalex> what can't you do? <DanaG> I don't know... I've never used OS X myself... <lamalex> haha :) <lamalex> my boss swithed from ubuntu to osx * DanaG face-faults <DanaG> (at my own comment, not yours) <jriachi> DanaG: you can say about linux "it was made by steve jobs and apple, the coolest company in the whole world?" <lamalex> he says it's pretty much the same, osx has some extra polish, but isn't free <RAOF> There's a bunch of stuff <DanaG> Complete this survey and win a free Sudoku game!11!1!!! <DanaG> (me: "You mean, like.... (digs through gnome menus)... gnome-sudoku?) * RAOF is learning dvorak :) <DanaG> (oops, lost a closing ' " ') <jriachi> DanaG: yes, like gnome-sudoku but free :p <DanaG> The only thing I am really fanboyish about is HP, for no apparent reason. However, I limit myself to saying "ooh, look at this thingy!", "Ooh, they have that cool thingy"... --- but, I don't say "They rock, and everybody else sucks!12!!!!") <DanaG> Is there a market for 17" notebooks with Intel graphics? I don't know, but HP offers one. <DanaG> Gateway also has some cool stuff -- touchscreen+stylus tablet, 12", Core 2 Duo. <DanaG> Wow, the faster I type, the more power I use. <jriachi> DanaG: mmm... the kde systray icon, tells me the remaning battery time... but acpi keeps telling me "rate information unavailable." :S <DanaG> Hmm. <DanaG> try cat /proc/acpi/battery/*/* <jriachi> charging state: discharging <jriachi> present rate: unknown <jriachi> remaining capacity: 3603 mAh <DanaG> aah, then your BIOS just doesn't give you the info. :( <lamalex> try sudo cat ... <lamalex> sometimes it gives more <jriachi> lamalex: it was under a sudo -i shell :( <lamalex> ahok <DanaG> Wow, seeing Dapper's usplash and login reminds me of how far Edgy and Feisty have come. <RAOF> :) <Hobbsee> heh <jriachi> lamalex: acpi could try to figure it, anyway :S <Hobbsee> DanaG: that's exactdly why i cant see why people get told "run dapper, it's better" <DanaG> dingdingchirp <DanaG> (jingly chirpy login sound .... nice.) <lamalex> if you're setting up a webserver I would reccomend dapper <RAOF> I can no longer remember any of my Dapper knowledge :) <DanaG> Argh, why does Nautilus default to icons view? Ugh. <FunnyLookinHat> DanaG, because most people prefer it? : ) <lamalex> indeed <lamalex> default to anything else would be annoying <jriachi> mmm... to get powertop to show C3 and C4, would a "Long battery life mode" (or sth like that) in the BIOS be useful? <DanaG> I guess it does come down to preference. <jriachi> (i think that the people who prefer list view, are usually expert enough to find out how to change it) <lamalex> agreed <DanaG> I don't believe it .... this old Celeron 700 laptop doesn't support standard ACPI stuff -- there's no /proc/acpi. <DanaG> Yet, an old P2 laptop DOES support it. <lamalex> what's the make of each <DanaG> One's a Dell -- P2 266 -- Inspiron 3500. <DanaG> The other's HP -- Pavilion N5240, also called Omnibook XE3-something. <DanaG> From dmesg on that laptop: bios is too old, dated 1992. <roe> any advice as to how to troubleshoot a compiz.real crash on start of X? <lamalex> check for a bios update maybe? <RAOF> roe: Check ~/.xsession-errors? <roe> yea it looks like its a bug with the current build, or at least someone filed it as a bug <boris55> wow, how much better can ubuntu get? <RAOF> Does xsession-errors have anything interesting, or is it just "core dumped"? <roe> RAOF, a couple of memory-warnings about "GSlice" <roe> this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon... <RAOF> Eh, everything says that :) <roe> http://www.pastebin.ca/599273 <RAOF> roe: Eh, nothing obvious <roe> that is why it's an alpha <lamalex> boris55: hopefully way better <lamalex> it's already great, but better is always ... better <boris55> should I wait till beta to try gutsy? <roe> gutsy is buggy. do you want to deal with bugs? <lamalex> ideally you should wait until final to try gutsy <boris55> I can deal with some bugs if the applications generally work. <crdlb> then wait for beta <crdlb> at the least <jriachi> boris55: imho, i find it pretty usable, some console work had to be done, but i think it is ok... <lamalex> you're better off using feisty, you're not really going to benefit from using gutsy <boris55> not sure what's there that I need. fiesty is everything I need <lamalex> unless you're looking to test and squash bugs there's no real reason <boris55> x.org 7.3 is available in gutsy? <Hobbsee> i beleive so <Hobbsee> openoffice actually opens now though. this is good <lamalex> hobbsee: you had problems with OO in feisty? <jriachi> but the kdesktop, device icons bug isn't solved :( <Hobbsee> gutsy * Hobbsee hasnt run feisty since UDS. <Hobbsee> ie, early may <lamalex> guess I misread "openoffice actually opens now though. this is good" <Hobbsee> well, it didnt before in gutsy <lamalex> ah ok <lamalex> it opens very quickly for me (at least comparitively <lamalex> ) * Hobbsee should fix kubuntu-restricted-extras, though <lamalex> quicker than it did in any preivew release <lamalex> s/preivew/previous <Hobbsee> hrm. where are the popcon results? <Hobbsee> i want to see how many people actually install libxine1-console <jriachi> (it would be great to be able to upload videos to the BTS) <jriachi> (but then... they maybe would appear on youtube to ridicule ubuntu :S) <lamalex> gnash works now! <lamalex> sick <jimmygoon> What's this I hear about no xorg.conf in the next X? <lamalex> xorg 7.3 is supposed to be 'bulletproof' and figure out everything itself <roe> ha! I'll believe that when I see it <jimmygoon> I'm just curious about the config files... is it moving away from that file (format) or is that a messed up notion I have <roe> I hope not <lamalex> i'm actually not looking forward to it, I hate zeroconf apps <RAOF> You wont need one, but you can still use one <RAOF> Also, 7.3 is not yet in gutsy <lamalex> parts of it are if I'm not mistaken <lamalex> not the whole thing, but some yes? <roe> does this miracle xorg include twinview support? <roe> or whatever trainwreck fglrx is using these days? <lamalex> heh <RAOF> roe: For free drivers? Yes. <roe> nv supports twinview? <RAOF> Xorg obviously cant do anything about non-free drivers <roe> I guess not <RAOF> nouveau supports XRandR 1.2, and so supports twinview <jimmygoon> do the unstable updates ever break things like grub that would REALLY make a system unusable (temporarily) * Hobbsee uploads u-r-e <Hobbsee> jimmygoon: sure. kernel doenst boot. <RAOF> jimmygoon: Yes. Don't assume that an update won't destroy your data <jimmygoon> er, like even on another partition, heh... <RAOF> Yes, although it's unlikely to <jimmygoon> o_0 well, its a good thing I only run my unstables in a VM, at least until the later betas <jimmygoon> but I'm not too afraid of dependency problems, and I backup regularly so :P * Hobbsee should backup. * lamalex has never backed up <lamalex> idk why, just never got around to it * RAOF should not run only Sid and Gutsy on his lappy <Hobbsee> i do when i'm about to format the partition <Hobbsee> RAOF: i'm only running gutsy, and a copy of XP here. <Hobbsee> + a VM, sometimes <jriachi> (anyone bored and willing to replicate this kubuntu gutsy error?: http://nethen.org/misc/ubuntu/bug-deviceicon.ogm.avi ) <RAOF> Nouveau kinda works in Sid :) <xtknight> is there a list of major features that have been implemented thus far? trying to evaluate if i should give gutsy a test run <jimmygoon> btw, woot+1 for rhythmbox+mtp support <Hobbsee> xtknight: yes, on the release announcements <Hobbsee> see the ubuntu-devel-announce mailing list <xtknight> ah awesome <tonyyarusso> mtp? <DanaG> Argh, I put my iAudio6 in MTP mode, yet usb-storage still grabs it. <DanaG> ooh: http://lwn.net/Articles/143397/ <DanaG> I wish Gnome's eject would do that. <DanaG> Odd... I don't get why my MTP device doesn't show up as an MTP device. <roe> I am using the nvidia module but I don't have 3d acceleration. glxgears pegs my cpu <DanaG> glxinfo | grep rend * Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu+1.log -ChanServ(cisneroselizabeth@example.net.)- You do not have channel operator access to [#ubuntu-boot] -ChanServ(cisneroselizabeth@example.net.)- [#ubuntu-server] Ubuntu Server Discussions (development and support) -ChanServ(cisneroselizabeth@example.net.)- [#ubuntu-ops] Welcome to #ubuntu-ops - Home of the operators for official K/X/Ed/Ubuntu channels. Questions, requests and complaints about Ubuntu related channels and their people can be filed here" -ChanServ(cisneroselizabeth@example.net.)- [#ubuntu+1] Please read the topic. Especially if things are broken! (DanaG/#ubuntu+1) odd redundancy: ls -l /etc/udev/rules.d/*mt* (DanaG/#ubuntu+1) -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4753 2007-07-01 21:36 /etc/udev/rules.d/65-libmtp.rules (DanaG/#ubuntu+1) lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2007-05-31 08:32 /etc/udev/rules.d/libmtp.rules -> ../libmtp.rules <roe> can someone give me a hand, whenever I open up an mpeg4 it brings my computer to a halt, I have tried both xine and mplayer. glxgears pegs the cpu but glxinfo show direct rendering = yes <DanaG> I believe glxgears is supposed to eat CPU. <roe> I didn't think it was supposed to with 3d enabled <DanaG> same issue as my mtp thingy: <DanaG> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=522369 <DanaG> wtf? I edit /etc/udev/rules.d/libmtp-rules, <DanaG> and yet mtp-hotplug ignores my changes. <DanaG> It seems to have the list hardcoded. <DanaG> I don't get it. <DanaG> aRGH, now I'm working with two laptops: <DanaG> One with fn-ctrl-super-alt, <DanaG> the other with ctrl-fn-super-alt <DanaG> Moving back and forth between the two... painful. <RAOF> :/ <DanaG> I don't have any specific preference, but using both side by side is just torturous. <DanaG> I wonder if you can do anything useful with an S3 Savage IX <linux_user400354> where can i find the default wallpapers from breezy? ive cisneroselizabeth@example.net and didnt find it. <Hobbsee> linux_user400354: please see the topic, and dont repeat your question in multiple channels * mode/#ubuntu+1 [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ * linux_user400354 was kicked off #ubuntu+1 by Hobbsee (You should know better. Bye!) <sn-> wondered what this channel was for * mode/#ubuntu+1 [+b *!*@208-117-26-76.block5.gvtc.com!#ubuntu] by Hobbsee <Hobbsee> sn-: gutsy <sn-> <-iso tester :) <sn-> so would make sense to sit in here <Hobbsee> :) <Hobbsee> welcome <sn-> tyvm <Yodude> hello, any gutsy talk ? <sn-> yes Yodude <Yodude> hehe i just wanted to say this seems to be a gret release <Yodude> new gimp, new rythmbox <Yodude> new effects <Yodude> good work guys <sn-> new gnome, new firefox alpha, no compiz-effects :) lots to go in <Yodude> but i have a question <Yodude> will hibernate/suspend finally get some fix ? <Yodude> cuz it really works like hell <Yodude> total showstopper <sn-> well Yodude without knowing more its hard to say about your particular problem, suspend/hiberation/suspend to ram works for many people (me included) but it tends to vary depending on the notebook/chipset <Yodude> i heard the kernel devs are aiming for it <Yodude> but the question is when <Yodude> cuz it's basic functionality <Hobbsee> Yodude: not all the machines are the same. <sn-> if it is perhaps a problem for you then it would maybe be useful to submit a bug report or at the very least check for one outstanding <sn-> and try to work through it <Yodude> i'd be glad to <Yodude> anything to help the devs <Yodude> i already submitted my hardware stats to the UHD <sn-> ok well lets start with some info gathering :) <sn-> so i will let you elaborate on your problem <Yodude> hey i gtg eat <Yodude> i'll be back though <Yodude> i'll keep a note of your name on tomboy to ttyl <Yodude> but just to start <Yodude> i'm on intel + nvidia geforce FX 5200 <sn-> im sure anyone will be happy to help, just not me <sn-> ah too late <sn-> so anyone tried today's daily image ?:) <Yodude> sn-: you still here ? <sn-> yep <Yodude> so <Yodude> you wanted to take note of my PC specs yea ? <Yodude> to fix tht hibernate/suspend problem <sn-> sure, lets start with your system, its a notebook ? <sn-> it would be useful to run lspci and pastebin the output <Yodude> desktop <Yodude> one sec for lspci <sn-> ok and are you using nvidia-glx or the xorg free driver 'nv' ? <Yodude> nvidno the nvidida restricted driver <Yodude> btw can you give me the pastebin URL ? <sn-> sure, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ http://paste.debian.net <Yodude> P.S: i just saw some pic of compiz fusion i just wanna say WOW <Yodude> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28207/ <Yodude> here's the lspci <sn-> alrighty, so you are using the non-free "nvidia" driver for your graphics, as a test i would maybe try using the 'nv' driver in your xorg.conf , restart X then try suspend/hibernate <sn-> to rule out the graphics at play, but you haven't mentioned what happens yet when you do try suspend/hibernate <Yodude> well i get these text messages <Yodude> one is "could not activate device 00:00 <Yodude> and when it boot it up again i get a black screen <sn-> sounds like possibly graphics at play to me at least :) <Yodude> yeah me too <Yodude> i bet if nvidia would finally get the guts to friggin get out open source drivers nobody would have these problems <sn-> but try what i suggested, if you need a better explanation then ask away <Yodude> cuz i hear hibernate works fantasti8c with intel GPUs <sn-> i know ubuntu has plans for the nouveau project at some point, its making "some" headway it seems <h3sp4wn> one of 100.x.9 or 100.x.11 had quite a few suspend related fixes <Yodude> yeah but still needs time <Yodude> i'll be trying it withoiut the nvidia non-free driver <h3sp4wn> nv is probably just as bad <h3sp4wn> (nvidia maintains it anyway) <sn-> h3sp4wn kindly mentioned newer nvidia drives as well, so you could try 'envy' to install the nvidia.com ones also <sn-> hopefully one of those will show some results <h3sp4wn> what is envy ? <sn-> hmmm does envy support gutsy yet, im not actually sure <h3sp4wn> does it make deb's ? <sn-> h3sp4wn afraid not, it installs/builds the required for using nvidia.com drivers <h3sp4wn> yuck <sn-> http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html <sn-> ignore that Yodude , not sure that will help on gutsy yet :) <crdlb> envy + gutsy == broken system <sn-> i haven't actuallly tried nvidia.com drivers on gutsy yet, so not sure how that will go :I <h3sp4wn> I suppose you could get 100.x.9 from Debian and uupdate it to 100.x.11 <jussi01> !envy <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly! <sn-> jussi01 i believe the problem here is trying a newer version of the nvidia drivers than nvidia-glx in gutsyy provides (9631/9755) <h3sp4wn> I don't like the legal loophole in the GPL (with regards to runtime linking) <sn-> gutsy* <h3sp4wn> that ubuntu seems to think makes it ok to distribute the binary drivers <h3sp4wn> I guess they would be updated before release anyway (there is 9636 I think as well and a new 7xxx one also) <sn-> yea hopefully soo <crdlb> 9639 and 7185 * sn- wonders why virtualbox doesn't do 64bit windows hosts <h3sp4wn> Yeah they messed up one completely <Yodude> hello again <tiagoboldt> Hi, I've upgraded to gutsy and my cpu is now always at 50%, any ideas on how can I normalize this? My laptop is heating like a toaster :| <Amaranth> what is using so much CPU? <vega-> check what process <vega-> and search for bug reports, if not found, report <tiagoboldt> when I 'top' <tiagoboldt> I see 50% cpu being used <Amaranth> by what? <Pici> tiagoboldt: whats using it? <tiagoboldt> but only two processes using more than 1% <tiagoboldt> everything looks normal in the processes <Amaranth> take a screenshot <tiagoboldt> but the cpu keeps at about 50% all the time <tiagoboldt> sure <tiagoboldt> 1min <tiagoboldt> http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshottiagoboldtniawl2.png <Amaranth> tiagoboldt: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq <Amaranth> tiagoboldt: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq <tiagoboldt> 2000000 <tiagoboldt> 800000 <Amaranth> yikes <tiagoboldt> I also have cpu-freq applet with cpu freq scaling activated <Amaranth> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor <tiagoboldt> despites being 'ondemand', it not going to the supposed 800mhz.. <tiagoboldt> ondemand <Amaranth> try changing it to powersave <tiagoboldt> sure <tiagoboldt> ir goes to 800mhz <tiagoboldt> still <Amaranth> do you have dual-core? <tiagoboldt> top show exactly the same <tiagoboldt> 50% cpu, no process using it :s <Amaranth> do you have dual-core? <tiagoboldt> model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 2.00GHz <tiagoboldt> centrino <Amaranth> i guess not <Amaranth> i have no idea then, i was going to say something was using one core <Amaranth> maxing it out <Amaranth> but i guess only in windows does maxing out one core count as 50% <Amaranth> in linux it just goes to 200% <Amaranth> i'm out of ideas <Amaranth> does it happen if you kill X? <tiagoboldt> laptop mode is off, I'm plugged in to ac power now <tiagoboldt> shoul laptop mode be on despites that? <Amaranth> nah, doesn't make a difference for this problem <tiagoboldt> if I kill X.. <Amaranth> boot in recovery mode and see if you have the same problem <tiagoboldt> hum <tiagoboldt> no idea actually:s <Amaranth> if you do it's probably a kernel problem <vega-> tiagoboldt: also search for a bug report related, if you don't find one make a new <tiagoboldt> vega-, I've tried that <tiagoboldt> and found nothing <tiagoboldt> I've also thought on leaving a bug report <tiagoboldt> but the problem is that I don't exactly know what to report:S <tiagoboldt> My cpu is always at 50% without nothing using it!? <tiagoboldt> :S <vega-> yep, sounds like the kind of issue that would be an interesting bug <vega-> well, yes, for example :) <tiagoboldt> LOL <vega-> and provide your hardware and the info you provided above <vega-> perhaps also the screenshot <tiagoboldt> I'll get some printscreens for the most important infos <tiagoboldt> and open the report :D <vega-> i'm sure the persons related ask for more info/tests if needed <vega-> just to be curious, what laptop? <tiagoboldt> acer 1694 wlmi <tiagoboldt> intel centrino 2.0 <vega-> ok, not familiar.. <tiagoboldt> ati radeon x700 mobility <tiagoboldt> ipw2200 <tiagoboldt> bluetooth <tiagoboldt> .. <tiagoboldt> I'll open the bug report <vega-> that's the best way to proceed i think for now <tiagoboldt> could it have something to do with this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/28433 <ubotu> Launchpad bug 28433 in linux-source-2.6.15 "speedstep-centrino doesn't load on pentium m laptop" [Medium,Confirmed] <tiagoboldt> I'm I supposed to confirm my own bug report oO? :s <lamalex> ha <tiagoboldt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/123550 here he is, is there any relevant information missing? <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123550 in Ubuntu "Cpu always around 50% without nothing using it" [Undecided,New] <lamalex> nice grammar there <Dana1> Gaah. somehow two instances of Pidgin opened. <ryanpg> all my core dumps have a size of 0, ulimit reportes "unlimited", what may be going on? <ryanpg> also I'm getting lots and lots of crashes with OO.O and firefox - when certain dialog windows are opened, i.e. spelling dialog, print dialog <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rss-glx/+bug/21507 <ubotu> Launchpad bug 21507 in rss-glx "Disturbing sounds in Skyrocket screensaver" [Medium,Fix released] <DanaG> heh <avr> hi guys, i've got a strange problem with gutsy on my laptop. sound (and everything else) was working just fine till yesterday when I used skype a few times (without incident) for the first time on gutsy <avr> and then i left the laptop (powered on) for a while, and when i get back, sound volume is _really_ low <crimsun> check your mixer levels. <avr> it's not a card/detection issue because i can hear sound/music very faintly <avr> oh, everything is on full <avr> pcm/master etc. <crimsun> pastebin your amixer <avr> okay <avr> here: http://paste.uni.cc/16587 <crimsun> do you actually use your spdif? <crimsun> (if not, mute 'IEC958') <avr> crimsun: i don't know what that is, so the answer's probably 'no' <avr> okay <lamalex> ./win 2 <avr> but i flipped lots of things on/off, so that might be why IEC958 was on <avr> crimsun: no difference <crimsun> mute 'Mix' <crimsun> you likely need to reinit the codec itself, which requires an unload and reload of snd-hda-intel. <avr> crimsun: err, mix doesnt respond to 'M' in alsamixer. it doesnt respond to any alsamixer control, actually <crimsun> it's a capture element <crimsun> just try the reinit <Hobbsee> crimsun! <crimsun> kill $(lsof -t /dev/dsp* /dev/mixer* /dev/audio* /dev/seq* /dev/snd/*) && rmmod snd-hda-intel && modprobe snd-hda-intel <avr> i modprobe -r and modprobed it yesterday after looking at lsof for dev dsp. will do it again <crimsun> have you done a cold power down since? <avr> crimsun: no difference <avr> yes, i have <avr> oh, cold reboot as in pressing the power button? no, i havent. <starz> hm <avr> might that help? <crimsun> no. <starz> out of curiosity if i have dual core running in 32 bit mode i could theoretically have 4gigs ram for each without having to go 64bit ? <starz> er for each core i meant <crimsun> starz: no. <starz> mm <starz> i'm a bit confused on it but i guess it doesnt matter as i dont have either requirement lol <crimsun> starz: dual core has PAE available, meaning you can access more than 4 GB <starz> ah <starz> i saw something about the bigiron kernel b/c i was bored just figured id google some stuff... lol <crimsun> avr: can you reproduce it in skype? <starz> anyway howya doin this monring? <avr> crimsun: you mean if i can fix it using skype? <crimsun> avr: no, if you can reproduce the symptom using skype. <avr> no, after the volume went down, it's been down all the while (after multiple rebootS) <crimsun> so you're implying that you _can_ reproduce the symptom using skype. <avr> actually, i rebooted an older (2.6.20-13) kernel, and the bug's there too <crimsun> it's not a bug at this point <avr> crimsun: no, sorry, i meant that i'm not even sure skype caused what happened; it was the only out-of-the-ordinary thing i'd been using before sound volume went down <starz> what makes something a bug properly then? [when u have a chance] <crimsun> avr: do you have a gutsy tribe 2 desktop cd handy? If so, boot into it, and attempt to reproduce the volume issue. <crimsun> starz: currently I cannot rule out user misconfiguration. <avr> crimsun: i can't, my laptop doesnt even have a cd drive :( <crimsun> avr: does your laptop's NIC(s) handle PXE boot? <avr> crimsun: yes it does... i could do that <avr> some background information if it helps: 1. sound works in windows, 2. no packages installed between sound going off/on. 3. same thing for multiple kernels (one of them the feisty stable kernel) and different version of the alsa modules <crimsun> might be a stale state file (again) <crimsun> rm -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state <crimsun> sync <crimsun> reboot <avr> okay, be right back :) <crimsun> err, that reboot is not a command <crimsun> that's an alt+sysrq+b <starz> i meant in general - <crimsun> starz: a lot of information is necessary; * starz nodds <crimsun> starz: it depends on the symptoms and the application(s) in question <starz> btw installed gutsy on other partition, and im impressed by tribe2 - for my hardware runs pretty darn good lol <avr> crimsun: yes, i used the hotkey <avr> no change <crimsun> avr: that's from removing the state file, correct? <avr> correct <crimsun> avr: ok, now try a tribe 2 netboot <avr> okay. will let you know <crimsun> if it's reproducible there, you need to file a bug using ALSA's bug tracker (click Bug Reporting[..] on the ALSA home page) <avr> okay <avr> but, if it's an alsa bug, it should go away if i use an older (stabler) version of alsa, right? i've likely gone through the same sequence of programs/reboots/hibernates before, so wouldn't it have been triggered then if it's an alsa bug? <avr> or is low (but still audible) volume a definite alsa bug? <crimsun> no, it may not go away. <avr> what if i use feisty kernel + the version of alsa that came with it? <crimsun> depending whether you're referring to AC'97 or HDA, certain codec registers don't reset without an explicit twiddle. <avr> i see. <crimsun> you can try as many as you'd like as long as you use desktop cds or netboots. <crimsun> that basically constrains you to dapper final, edgy final, feisty final, and gutsy tribe 2 <crimsun> (away for a bit.) <avr> crimsun: thanks for the help. will try out and let you know. <Dannilion> is there an easy way to burn .avi's to video dvd in Kubuntu Gutsy? <DanaG> http://cisneroselizabeth@example.net/msg03916.html <DanaG> hmm, added to line with "?*" <enyc> How are the 'new event.d entries' getting along replacing init.d scripts now? <enyc> Is there a 'project' to replace init scripts? or just simply "no more init.d scripts will be accepted in packages without good reason' ? <pvandewyngaerde> is that 'upstart' ?
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