#ubuntu-women-project 2010-08-01 <elky> Oh, is that still going? Some of the dates were already gone, I figured I'd missed the window and the poll had been forgotten. <elky> Also, doodle.com seems to be unreachable at the moment. <pleia2> elky: I tried to explain that people should ignore the dates in the email when I said "ignore the specific dates listed and just focus on the *day of the week* as far as your availability goes" <elky> pleia2, I didn't read the email, I just saw the link in here. sorry. <pleia2> ah ok <elky> but also... my availability changes depending on the week. <pleia2> yeah, we're doing the best we can, can't very well expect people to fill out availability for a whole month :( <pleia2> even then we'd get "my availability changes depending on the time of year" <elky> Well that's why doing it for specific meetings is nice. <pleia2> but unmaintainble <pleia2> I really tried to poll for each meeting, but people got bored with polls, and still complained <elky> Meh, finicky things. <elky> If doodle.com wakes up in a reasonable time before it closes, I'll do it, not much I can do till it comes back. <pleia2> yeah it's no worky for me either * pleia2 bonks doodle <pleia2> fwiw, if someone is willing to be responsible for timely polling for two meetings a month, it's probably fine to go back to that <pleia2> I just wasn't good at it, would get busy or something, then all of a sudden "oops, it's been 2 months without a meeting!" <elky> You were also moving at the time <pleia2> nah, I'm talking about going back a while, over the years <pleia2> it's tedious and I get bored with it <pleia2> aand now I should go downstairs and finish up some of the storage stuff I still need to do, bbiab :) #ubuntu-women-project 2010-08-02 <lyz> hmm, webchat is not so bad <lyz> just added it to our forum thread on meetings: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9666634&postcount=25 <daker> \o/ <daker> lyz, qwebirc ? <pleia2> yeah <daker> awesome <lyz> I'm hoping to get more folks coming to meetings, and the webchat makes it so much easier <daker> yeah <lyz> gone are the days of yucky java clients, it seems :) <daker> it easy, you don't have to install anything <lyz> yeah, and it's not actually a horrible interface, very simple * daker likes xchat <lyz> the colors could be improved to make it more obvious that the channel names are buttons at the top, but I think most people using this for a single meeting won't need to worry about it <lyz> irssi for me, but I'd be crazy if I thought that was a good option for folks who are shy about using IRC ;) <daker> \o/ <lyz> looks like configuration options here do allow for some theming <lyz> might be good to create an ubuntu-women.org/chat or something to simplify joining <lyz> ok, done playing <rww> pleia2: you can specify color schemes (i think) and destination channel (i know) in URLs too, which is nice for linking new people. <pleia2> rww: yeah, we use the destination channels for classroom, which got me thinking about this <nigelb> pleia2: lyz looks like a better nickname :D <pleia2> nigelb: I can't change now! <pleia2> am considering changing my account id to it though <pleia2> and updating my mask <nigelb> pleia2: wait, why can't you change? <pleia2> everyone knows pleia2 :) <pleia2> it's been my nick for like 12 years <pleia2> anyway, dinner! <nigelb> everyone knows pleia2 is lyz :D <rww> welcome to why I'm not robertwall. I tried it for a couple of days. I actually got PMs asking me to switch back :S <elky> rww, I occasionally still get people telling me to switch back to "elkbuntu" <elky> But, the "what is elkbuntu, is this another distro" was much more common, hence this nick wins. <svaksha> rww: yeah. i had only added and extra alphabet 'm' to my nick and got pm's saying this nick was better. heh <svaksha> s/and/an <nigelb> elky: this is shorter though you'll have to deal with tab error with elly <nigelb> I was nigel_nb, nigelbabu, and now settled on nigelb :) <elky> nigelb, I'd have to settle for namespace issues with elly even if I was elkbuntu. people tend to only bother with the first 2 letters. <nigelb> elky: ah, true :D <czajkowski> pleia2: when you're about later gives a shout will you please re poll, thanks <pleia2> czajkowski: hey <czajkowski> pleia2: howdy #ubuntu-women-project 2010-08-03 <pleia2> czajkowski: still about? :) <pleia2> (time zones are fun!) * valorie has finally installed the beta-fonts <valorie> where are they supposed to show up? <valorie> ok, trying to use fonttest <valorie> which fails..... * valorie files a launchpad bug about that <rww> valorie: It took a few tries before it logged in properly for me :( <valorie> I was logged in OK <valorie> and yes, it did take a bit <valorie> but when I found a problem, I was unable to successfully report the problem <valorie> I'll try in a different browser <valorie> rekonq is just tooooo buggy yet <czajkowski> Aloha folks <pleia2> morning <czajkowski> pleia2: hey! <pleia2> hey czajkowski :) <pleia2> ok, new meeting times: 8PM 2nd Wednesday, 10AM 4th Thursday <czajkowski> yay <pleia2> now we need to update the fridge <pleia2> I don't seem to have that ability <czajkowski> oh when you figure out how to do that <czajkowski> will you tell me <czajkowski> the loco council and health check info is slightly off <pleia2> I think only the person who created it can change it, or some Calendar Master <pleia2> akgraner: help? :) <czajkowski> aye but that's nick ali who isn't on the loco council any more <pleia2> akgraner might have the master keys to the fridge calendar * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-women-project to: This Channel is LOGGED | http://ubuntu-women.org | support (mostly) at #ubuntu | channel guidelines: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/IrcGuidelines | Next Meeting: Wednesday, 11 August 2010 @ 20:00 UTC <czajkowski> loco health check going on now in -locoteams <hypatia> yay meeting <czajkowski> hypatia: hey <hypatia> hola/s <hypatia> err <hypatia> hola! <czajkowski> hypatia: I know you're travelling atm, but is there somewhere I can find a list of techie events/meet ups in torntor <czajkowski> *tornot <czajkowski> another mate moved over there <czajkowski> all my mates are moving to Canada :( <czajkowski> 4 now so far :( <czajkowski> 2 more planning <hypatia> wow <AlanBell> Â¡Hola! hypatia <hypatia> yyeah, lemme hop on a real keyboard and i'll send you a pm <hypatia> phone irc lol <hypatia> brb <czajkowski> hypatia: only if you're free it's not urgent <czajkowski> aye if I find a job out there I'd be gone too <hypatia> it's a good reason to get out of bed :) * hypatia is slackin' in seattle <MichelleQ1> hypatia: slacking here, too. <hypatia> :) <akgraner> woo hoo - just found out one of my talks was accepted for Ohio Linux Fest \0/ happy dance :-) <IdleOne> Congrats! <akgraner> thanks <czajkowski> yay <czajkowski> what is it ? <akgraner> czajkowski, "Volunteer Vertigo and High Tech Hangovers" presented in a 12 step format <czajkowski> cool <akgraner> but I only have 6 steps <czajkowski> hehe <MarkDude> I might have a few more for you akgraner , we had a few growing pains in this one project I was involved with... <akgraner> :-) <akgraner> I'll send you the outline and let's see if I can incorporate them :-) <MarkDude> http://www.step12.com/12-steps-reverse.html <MarkDude> Check out #4 <MarkDude> lol <MarkDude> Its a list of things *not to do* <akgraner> ahhh ok <pleia2> akgraner: can you have a look at the fridge calendar and update the UW entries for our new meeting times? <pleia2> akgraner: and congrats :) <akgraner> pleia2, yeppers <akgraner> give me about 20 minutes and I'll fix it <czajkowski> akgraner: and the LC as it seems nick ali is the owner of them and I cant change stuff <czajkowski> thanks <akgraner> czajkowski, yep I'll change it <czajkowski> thanks <czajkowski> it's missing the loco health check and wiki page and channel <czajkowski> and same for the council meeting <akgraner> can you drop me am email with the links to everything that needs to be added <akgraner> I like to believe I know it all by memory - but sadly I don't :-( <czajkowski> no bother <akgraner> czajkowski, thanks! <czajkowski> done <akgraner> thanks <czajkowski> np #ubuntu-women-project 2010-08-04 <akgraner> pleia2, czajkowski the parents popped in for a visit - going to update the calendars now <akgraner> sorry about that <akgraner> elky ping <elky> akgraner, pong <czajkowski> akgraner: no bother <akgraner> czajkowski, LoCo teams healthcheck and LoCo Council Calendar should be fix take a look please :-) <czajkowski> akgraner: can looc teams meeting be renamed to loco health check? <akgraner> yep <akgraner> 2 secs <czajkowski> *hugs* <czajkowski> thank you <akgraner> czajkowski, done - and you are welcome! :-) <czajkowski> thanks much appreciated <czajkowski> tick off my to do list <akgraner> no worries - the UW calendar has been updated as well :-) <czajkowski> sweet <akgraner> czajkowski, can you verify that - I get Time Zone challenged from time to time <czajkowski> lol <czajkowski> likewise <czajkowski> gimmie 2 secs <czajkowski> replying to emails and I have my nice hat on <akgraner> hahaha - ok :-P <czajkowski> yup looks good <pleia2> akgraner: still need updates for the ubuntu women meeting times <akgraner> pleia2, hmm did I not update the correct calendar? <pleia2> I updated the ubuntu women calendar already, we needed the fridge updated :) <akgraner> the UW only has August when I checked so I updated Sept forward... unless I was completely looking at the wrong on - sigh <pleia2> oh, UW is wrong now, hm <akgraner> I'll add UW to the Fridge - sorry about that <akgraner> pleia2, you fix UW and I'll do the Fridge <akgraner> :-/ <pleia2> hang on, let me fix UW real quick <pleia2> akgraner: ok, sorted :) <czajkowski> ye breaking things <czajkowski> tut tut :p <akgraner> czajkowski, always! usually it's me I break so nice that it is just a calendar atm :-P <akgraner> pleia2, sorry about that :-( I think I should take a nap and then deal with dates, numbers, and or logic... I think I am just tired <pleia2> no problem, we still have a few days before it's important #ubuntu-women-project 2010-08-06 <nigelb> 2 minutes is my best guess <nigelb> he's going to be kicked and banned before that <czajkowski> morning <nigelb> what the foo... <czajkowski> nigelb: eh ? <nigelb> czajkowski: other channel :/ <czajkowski> oh right <czajkowski> meh dont go into the unlogged channel <maco> nigelb: wow, thick <nigelb> maco: he's confused with bullying and being kicked out for trolling <maco> nigelb: i think i was rather pointedly referring to him with my comment <nigelb> maco: ah #ubuntu-women-project 2010-08-07 <maco> what the hell? <maco> steady stream of new silent people since that ban.... <Pendulum> all coming from the same channel, probably <rww> 18:48:22 <Hoober> robert, did your friends call me retarded <rww> 18:48:28 <Hoober> my friends said your friends did <rww> so possibly they're meatpuppets of Hoober. yay :( <IdleOne> keep an eye on XIII <Pendulum> morning <czajkowski> hey there <Pendulum> hiya czajkowski <czajkowski> catching up on planet reading <Pendulum> *nods* <czajkowski> also step up 3D is the first film I've seen that makes sense to be done in 3D <Pendulum> heh <Pendulum> I'm refusing to see the step-up movies because as far as I can tell from the adverts it's a film about white appropriation of a traditionally black culture thing and it's sad that it couldn't just be about black culture/dance styles without a white lead character <czajkowski> um.... I wouldn't view it as that and never have done <czajkowski> none of the step movies are... <Pendulum> what race are the lead characters? <Pendulum> I'm not saying it's a conscious choice <czajkowski> there isn't any one major lead, it's a group so I really cant say tbh <Pendulum> okay <czajkowski> I never break folks down into race either tbh <Pendulum> maybe it's the American adverts, then <czajkowski> I cant related to that <czajkowski> sorry <Pendulum> that's fiar <Pendulum> *fair <pleia2> Pendulum, issyl0, reminder: interview due tomorrow :) <Pendulum> pleia2: I've poked ivanka a bunch with no answer :-/ <pleia2> :\ <Pendulum> I'll try again, but I know weekends are harder to get her <pleia2> maybe we should have an interview or two prepped in the queue so we don't miss months again? <pleia2> depending on a single interviewee is a burden on us and them, might be better if we loosened it a bit <pleia2> I am sure if we get the article in by monday it'll be ok, I've been late a couple times before :) <AlanBell> Pendulum: speaking of reminders . . . <nigelb> pleia2: +1 on having something ready so that you have some leeway <daker> anyone using the LoCo Directory API ? <AlanBell> daker: it has only been out a day hasn't it! <daker> AlanBell, the API ? <AlanBell> I thought so (I might be wrong) <daker> AlanBell, ? <AlanBell> daker: lets move this to #ubuntu-locoteams <daker> oki <czajkowski> isnt ivanka on hols? <elky> pleia2, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2010-August/002955.html <pleia2> elky: yay! :) * pleia2 just saw it hit her mailbox <elky> Let the games begin! <czajkowski> thats really cool <czajkowski> thanks elky <czajkowski> I should stop reading blog posts when they make me this mad :( <pleia2> czajkowski: yeah, I stopped a couple hours ago <czajkowski> I thought it couldnt get any worse <czajkowski> but it did <czajkowski> one person um zooko 3 hrs made a great point not sure I'm linking to it properly but... http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/08/dude-youre-35-year-old-with-neck-beard.html#comment-67017538 <elky> It also went to planet. <czajkowski> and then removed very fast... <pleia2> I don't think their links to comments work <czajkowski> pleia2: seems that way.. but 3hrs ago is the time stamp <elky> pleia2, the comments are in disqus, which might get adblocked <czajkowski> starts off with Dear Benjamin: <czajkowski> I'm 36 years old. I have a beard. I have contributed to the creation of Ubuntu in several small ways over the <pleia2> czajkowski: yeah, I searched for the nick :) <pleia2> great comment <czajkowski> aye really nice comment <czajkowski> but I'e little or no time for Ben since his behaviour at UDS tbh and when I asked him to remove stuff that had me in it and never did. so not much respect <elky> I'm annoyed at the way he did the whole manuals thing too. Especially since when we turned him down for membership when he'd been around for only a month or so writing howtos on the forum or whatever we told him to work /with/ the docs team, not stomp off and build a new sandpit. <elky> Also that 'interview' a few days back where it's like the took a sample of their irc channel one friday after a few beers. <czajkowski> tbh I never read omg ubuntu as the writing style reminds me of a bunch of college kids, which it really is. <czajkowski> and articles like today prove it <czajkowski> and I don't think Ubuntu/canonical should be associated with it at all <czajkowski> todays article is daming <elky> Also, his pestering me on facebook to "hurry up and add" him so he could feed stuff in to my wall or respond to something I said or etc <elky> Anyway, enough time spent on him for today. G'nite <czajkowski> meh I came with a rule, if I've not met them or work with them on areas I dont add <czajkowski> G'night elky <elky> I have a rule too; If I see the bump before I see the original request, they meet my blacklist. <elky> ZZzzzz <maco> ooh apparently im blocked from commenting on omgubuntu? or did comments close? <Pendulum> dunno <AlanBell> maco: looks open to me, I would be surprised if you were blocked though <maco> i wouldnt <maco> i publicly refer to that blog as a gossip rag in the grocery store <AlanBell> yeah, but they *like* comments like that <czajkowski> maco: lol #ubuntu-women-project 2010-08-08 <czajkowski> http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/2010/08/08/dude-youre-a-35-year-old-with-a-neck-beard/#comment-932 sums it up nicely #ubuntu-women-project 2010-08-09 <Pendulum> maco: ping <Pendulum> pleia2: ping <maco> Pendulum: pong <Pendulum> can I PM you? <Pendulum> maco: ^^ <maco> Pendulum: yep always <jono> #boycottnovell <jono> oops * Pendulum giggles <MarkDude> :D <MarkDude> Well at least it was not a password being typed in. That is the worst when you see somebody do that <czajkowski> jono: aloha there <jono> hey czajkowski * nigelb laughs a bit about jono's oops :D <rww> maybe "#boycottnovell" /is/ his password <jono> haha <jono> not my pass :) * pleia2 was still asleeping <Pendulum> pleia2: I know, but I wanted to make sure you knew I was looking for you <Pendulum> can I PM you? <Pendulum> s/can/may <pleia2> any time <rww> nickserv info needs an optional PM policy field <Pendulum> rww: that would be awesome! <Pendulum> most people I know in non-ubuntu channels don't care if they get PMed (I don't care if people PM me without asking, for the record), but within Ubuntu it seems to be quite a mix <maco> Pendulum: its different between friends ;-) <Pendulum> maco: even that can get complicated :-) <rww> although now that I think of it, nickserv allows you to add arbitrary metadata fields, so people could just start using them ;) <Pendulum> but I generally mean anyone can PM me. If they troll me in PM, I can ignore them and generally that means they go away <nigelb> rww: I like that idea. <nigelb> Pendulum: Its about being polite I think. <nigelb> There are people who's PM windows are always open on my irssi. I don't ask. I just PM them. <rww> and yeah, I may be overthinking something that's more about politeness than policy <Pendulum> nigelb: like me :P <nigelb> Pendulum: yep :) <maco> nigelb: yep same here <pleia2> the problem in -women channels is that they are notorious for being trolled by people who PM lots of members and women silently leave without reporting it, which is sad <maco> i tend to go with permission being permanent-until-revoked <Pendulum> yeah, that's why I'm careful to ask people who generally hang out in -women channels <nigelb> maco: yeah, you're window is one of the numbers I end up learning ;) <maco> so if youve had permission to PM me once a year ago...meh go ahead <nigelb> maco: that's what I do, but depends on the person too. <Pendulum> maco: good to know :P <maco> though if its been that long, might want to remind me who you are! <rww> my only open pm windows are with bots right now :S <maco> nigelb: i gathered that, given how often you PM me <nigelb> maco: you're not so bad either :p <Pendulum> nigelb: let me guess the list of PM windows you know are for those who will be after you if you don't make it to UDS + maco + me <Pendulum> :P <rww> I should probably sort out UDS travel plans, huh <nigelb> Pendulum: well, the list of people who'll be after me is perfect. <nigelb> you and maco fall into that list I believe. <maco> nigelb: i have made no threats of violence <nigelb> maco: No threats. But thats more fearful. <MarkDude> I will hard time you also nigelb - possibly mocking something about you :D <Pendulum> nigelb: I won't be after you the way Mike & Chris are. Just give you a hard time :P * MarkDude is more than likely going, if the location is figured out <nigelb> Pendulum: Yes, psycological kick. Worst part, you don't even need to fly down here for that. * nigelb figures maco would do the same. <rww> MarkDude: Orlando <MarkDude> scratch that, I am not going I guess <nigelb> haha <nigelb> wait, we're on the logged channel. <MarkDude> Maybe could have if I had say, idk 6 months to plan <Pendulum> I really hope I can go, but it'll depend on whether I get sponsorship and if not what my money situation is like <MarkDude> What is the deal with waiting till the last momnet to announce? <rww> what's the deal with sponsorship? did applications get decided already and I missed it, or are they upcoming? <Pendulum> rww: application isn't out yet <maco> MarkDude: hard to announce before you plan? <rww> Pendulum: oh, good <pleia2> rww: technically they haven't made "The Official Announcement" about UDS <pleia2> we don't know the venue or anything <nigelb> rww: we'll all be talking about it then. <rww> pleia2: true * MarkDude knows of other projects that plan events *six months* in advance :( <nigelb> pleia2: well, I think we do. But I'm not so sure if I was supposed to find out. <nigelb> MarkDude: thats going to happen. According to jorge, they will now revisit old venues so they can plan better. <Pendulum> MarkDude: because it's only been recently that they've started planning release cycles more than 6 months in advance so they haven't been able to really make plans of where more than 6 months in advance <rww> MarkDude, pleia2: maybe we should just all drive there. LoCo roadtrip! If we don't hate each other by the end of it, it'd be a bonding exercise <pleia2> nigelb: well, *I* don't * MarkDude apologizes. * MarkDude & flannel in a car. It would be a *buddy movie* <Pendulum> MarkDude: don't. it's a common issue people have. I've complained about it. I only found out the reasoning during conversations at UDS-M <MarkDude> totally awesome <pleia2> unfortunately I am helping plan an OLPC-SF event sat and sunday before, I can't swing getting to orlandy for monday <pleia2> orlando too <nigelb> heh * MarkDude finds it BS. Does not feel the need to vent here in UW tho :) <nigelb> MarkDude: think about people like me. <nigelb> We need to get sponsorship and get visa too <pleia2> I don't know the reason either, but it makes it very difficult for me too <rww> MarkDude: could put you, Flannel, and grantbow in the back of my van for 2,815 miles. You *might* get everything figured out given that much time. <Pendulum> it makes it difficult for everyone <maco> MarkDude: claire told me at UDS Barcelona that one reason is that its hard to find places capable of holding it, now that UDS is reguarly > 300 people <MarkDude> nigelb, I feel you <maco> it used to be 20 people <MarkDude> rww, we need some tequila & foam baseball bats also <czajkowski> also to alternate it so folks dont always have to travel 20 +hrs is nice <pleia2> rww: hahaha <czajkowski> so some times it's a long haul and others it's a 3-4 hr flight <czajkowski> I can understand peoples frustration, but try adn see it from an organisers point, it's damn hard to fit over 300 people into one venue for a week and oragnise flights accomodation, meals trasport for it all <nigelb> I wish there was a UDS in Asia. <MarkDude> rww - dont forget that Chris & Courtney would travel also. They could join the chorus with pleia2 "cant we all just get along <Pendulum> I think part of the idea with Robbie mapping out the release cycles not just for Maverick, but for the next few cycles after that is hopefully they'll know real dates earlier <czajkowski> Pendulum: aye <nigelb> Anywhere. Dubai. Singapore. Muscat. Malaysia. <Pendulum> before this release cycles have pretty much been mapped out one at a time and not early enough <czajkowski> nigelb: also cost may amount to more to fly in the people there, dont forget to take that into account * MarkDude ponders filing a *bug* on planning times <Pendulum> nigelb: yeah, people in Asia definitely get the short end of the stick with the travel bit <nigelb> czajkowski: how is that going to cost more? <czajkowski> nigelb: flying say 6 people from those areas to say EU or USA is one amount, flying 300 people there is another matter <nigelb> At least the veneues are going to be cheaper. <maco> nigelb: there was one in australia a few years ago...but that was back when it was 20 people <nigelb> maco: also before it was called UDS <nigelb> It was some Ubuntu Down Under <czajkowski> nigelb: I'm pricing flights atm to NZ, for next year over â¬3000 <nigelb> czajkowski: but NZ ain't Asia. <nigelb> NZ and Aus expensive I agree. <maco> czajkowski: 3000 euro?! <czajkowski> nigelb: I'm just giving you an example as for a flight to fly fro EU to that area <nigelb> Middle East and/or Singapore or Malasia is different. <czajkowski> maco: yes! <maco> flights from US to AU are $1000 <maco> same as US to UK <czajkowski> maco: I should look at that combo as I can get a flight for USA for about â¬600 <nigelb> czajkowski: The places I said arn't in *that* area. <Pendulum> maco: we're a lot closer to Australia than Ireland/UK are <czajkowski> nigelb: sigh this conversations happens every single 6 months wiht someone <czajkowski> it will never suit everyone <maco> we need TARDISes <Pendulum> nigelb: I suspect it's concerns about *more* people needing visas and security concerns (I'm fairly certain the US has a "security warning" for just about anywhere in Asia) <nigelb> Pendulum: haha <Pendulum> I'm serious <nigelb> I thought Singapore was famous layover destination. <Pendulum> difference between layover and final destination <nigelb> Its only a week layover :p <Pendulum> and Americans tend to want to stay away from Singapore because of the strict laws <Pendulum> I don't think they're necessarily right with the warnings, but I'm fairly certain they exist <nigelb> Are you confusing Malaysia with Singapore? <nigelb> or am I :/ * nigelb consults wiki <Pendulum> nigelb: no, two differenct statements about 2 different things <Pendulum> the "right about warnings" one was follow-up on my mention of US security BS, and not necessarily applicable to singapore <nigelb> ahh <MarkDude> Either way nigelb I hope you can make it to UDS <nigelb> MarkDude: I hope I don't get kicked. <rww> people can't actually kick you if you never go to UDS :3 <rww> unless someone perfected Violence Over IP and didn't tell me <nigelb> rww: LOL <nigelb> Didn't know you had RSS feeds from the devs <czajkowski> throttling over IP works wonders <nigelb> Also, I think most employees who get paid tot take calls would agree that VIOP is expanded as violence over IP <AlanBell> not sure that "violence ftw" is the ideal U-W policy <czajkowski> AlanBell: I never said ftw :) <AlanBell> hugs ftw <rww> ... oops, I forgot /say <rww> /ctcp AlanBell HUG <Pendulum> pleia2: you can haz interview :-) <czajkowski> I haz itchy nose <pleia2> Pendulum: thank you! <nigelb> Storm coming! <Pendulum> pleia2: thank maco! <pleia2> thanks maco! :) <Pendulum> I may have sleep soon * AlanBell ponders whether to remind Pendulum of something, or let her sleep * AlanBell decides sleep <Pendulum> AlanBell: I know, I know. I'd just like a brain back first :P <czajkowski> brains come in useful <czajkowski> http://twitgoo.com/1h4exg bed time reading tonight! <Pendulum> czajkowski: is that what you tweeted earlier? <czajkowski> yup <czajkowski> problem is while I read it I start thinking about projects I'm working on and how I can tweek them, not a good idea when I need to sleep #ubuntu-women-project 2010-08-10 <pleia2> akgraner: think you can take a look at the fridge calendar again to delete the old UW meeting times? (I will add the new ones) <akgraner> hmmm dang it - I did that once already <akgraner> grrrrrr * akgraner looks now <pleia2> just delete the current ones, I'll add the new ones from the UW calendar <akgraner> ok look now <pleia2> akgraner: thanks! and updated :) <akgraner> awesome <akgraner> I must have deleted it from one of my other calenders <akgraner> :-/ #ubuntu-women-project 2010-08-11 <nhandler> akgraner: FYI, if you hit 'Don't Notify Guests' when you change an event, you won't cause people to get a million emails about the changes ;) <akgraner> nhandler, crap I never remember that :-/ (I'll add that to my checklist, maybe it will become habit) <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards can't see any women in the pipeline <AlanBell> correct me if I am wrong <elky> Looks like you're correct <pleia2> can someone chair the meeting today in 2 hours? I'll be around but work has been pretty busy today so I'd rather not be responsible for chairing if possible :) <AlanBell> if nobody else leaps forward I am happy to run the agenda <AlanBell> or if someone hasn't done it before and wants to learn I am happy to do a little mootbot lesson <AlanBell> option 2 would be my preference * MarkDude is willing to *try* <MarkDude> If theere are no objections <pleia2> btw, agenda is here, if anyone has any last minute additions: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/August2010/Agenda <pleia2> (well, last 90 minutes, hehe) * belkinsa hopes the power doesn't go out <MichelleQ> Have I missed the meeting yet again? <AlanBell> nope <MichelleQ> oh good <AlanBell> 50 minutes <AlanBell> want to chair it? <MarkDude> You would be a great chair MichelleQ <MichelleQ> erm, not particularly <MichelleQ> next time around, perhaps. <MarkDude> Still better than having me do it :D <AlanBell> no time like the present! <MichelleQ> I'm not there mentally today <MarkDude> It would be a great time to drop a Qimo shoutout <AlanBell> okies, no pressure either <MichelleQ> hahaha, no worries. I'm just a little scatterbrained today * maco invites MichelleQ to #gally * MichelleQ wanders that direction <maco> Pendulum: you too * MarkDude looks maco 's direction * AlanBell notes MichelleQ has subscribed to the gally-photoshoot blueprint <maco> AlanBell: that was me. i was being pushy ;-) <MichelleQ> I have? <MichelleQ> Good to know <AlanBell> ha <MichelleQ> What's another committee? :D <maco> MichelleQ: you'll be at uds and know some sign, so i volunteered you to come to a bof session thingy at uds to play with cameras and signing <MichelleQ> sure thing <MichelleQ> I'll have to make sure my schedule works out to be there <AlanBell> lights camera action <MichelleQ> maco: are you familiar with the ASL video database? <maco> nope <nigelb> MichelleQ: If I make it there and you folks aren't. I will kick you, Mike and Chris. <maco> i know wiktionary's working on one <MichelleQ> nigelb: We will be there, at some point <MichelleQ> maco: hang on, I'll go find <MichelleQ> maco: http://www.aslpro.com/cgi-bin/aslpro/aslpro.cgi <AlanBell> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/gally/+spec/gally-photoshoot <MichelleQ> AlanBell: I'm definitely happy to help <czajkowski> aloha <MichelleQ> hey there, czajkowski <belkinsa> Hey Cza. <maco> MichelleQ: "The copying, redistribution, use or publication by you of any such matters or any part of the Site is strictly prohibited. " <AlanBell> and lots of adverts <MichelleQ> maco: yeah, I know, just found it useful <AlanBell> ok, lots of people here now, anyone want to chair the meeting, or have a practice with the bot? <MichelleQ> is there a specific agenda for this meeting? <belkinsa> Yes: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/August2010/Agenda?action=show&redirect=Meetings%2FAgenda <czajkowski> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/August2010/Agenda <AlanBell> and the chair has a copy and pasteable version here http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/August2010/Agenda2/MeetingChairAgenda <czajkowski> I can chair if ye want I don't mind <AlanBell> perfect <czajkowski> but most of the topics need pleia2 there for them <pleia2> I'll be here, just would rather not be chair <czajkowski> pleia2: if I chair will you talk :) <pleia2> sure (insert typical disclaimer that I'm at work and if something comes up I'll have to deal with it) <pleia2> I just don't want to hold up the meeting as chair if that occurs ;) <czajkowski> grand job <czajkowski> I've a skype call at 10 so as long as it doesnt run over * MarkDude is happy that czajkowski can chair, yay <czajkowski> okdokie folks <czajkowski> wakie wakie rise and shine <czajkowski> #startmeeting <Mootbot-UK> Meeting started at 20:00. The chair is czajkowski. <Mootbot-UK> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [PROGRESS REPORT], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] <czajkowski> Aloha and welcome to the Ubuntu women Team meeting <nigelb> \o <czajkowski> who's present <czajkowski> o/ <AlanBell> o/ <pleia2> o/ <MichelleQ> o/ <belkinsa> \o <althara> me <highvoltage> o/ <contrary> present <belkinsa> o/ <IdleOne> o/ <czajkowski> Great <czajkowski> [TOPIC] - Open Items <Mootbot-UK> New Topic: - Open Items <czajkowski> [PROGRESS REPORT] Maverick Blueprint progress <Mootbot-UK> Progress Report: Maverick Blueprint progress <czajkowski> [link] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/community-m-ubuntu-women-project-m-goals <Mootbot-UK> LINK received: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/community-m-ubuntu-women-project-m-goals <pleia2> no updates for mentoring docs, sorry :\ <pleia2> I'll try to get to it this week <czajkowski> okie dokie <pleia2> no elky for website update <czajkowski> pleia2: should I update the action item for the mins ? <pleia2> I don't think so, I can't commit to a timeframe <czajkowski> grand <czajkowski> [link] http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Roadmap-M <Mootbot-UK> LINK received: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Roadmap-M <czajkowski> [PROGRESS REPORT] Follow-up on fixed election dates - elky <Mootbot-UK> Progress Report: Follow-up on fixed election dates - elky <pleia2> oh, identify content to be redeveloped, yeah I still need to do that too <czajkowski> is elky present? <maco> czajkowski: its like 5AM where she is, so i think not <pleia2> she requested a reminder at a meeting a few weeks ago, so someone should remind her that this is an action item :) <czajkowski> maco: just asking :) <nigelb> oh we've pinged her enough already <nigelb> 26 <pleia2> nigelb: someone already sent a reminder? <czajkowski> might also be an idea to add topics for the timezone meeting folks can possibly make it to ? <czajkowski> ok moving on so <nigelb> pleia2: ah, that. I can :) <czajkowski> [TOPIC] - Contact address on launchpad - pleia2 <Mootbot-UK> New Topic: - Contact address on launchpad - pleia2 <pleia2> nigelb: thanks :) <czajkowski> currently goes to everyone, is this preferred? Should it go to mailing list instead? Or (one of the|) team leaders? <pleia2> I think the options are "everyone" or "single email address" <pleia2> single email address can be our mailing list (but list admins would have to agree, since they need to moderate) <pleia2> but I don't think there is an option for just "team admins" <pleia2> I'd like it to go to the mailing list <AlanBell> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-women/+contactuser that is this thing for those wondering <Pendulum> pleia2: +1 <nigelb> pleia2: +1, I was about to suggest. <czajkowski> [link] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-women/+contactuser <Mootbot-UK> LINK received: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-women/+contactuser <highvoltage> what some teams have done is create a new team called team-admins and then they make that the contact (it's surely suboptimal, but it does kind of work) <czajkowski> ok so shall we agree/action it to be mailing list <belkinsa> pieia2: +1 <pleia2> highvoltage: can email be directed to the owner? <pleia2> highvoltage: (also, such a team is the next on the agenda ;)) <AlanBell> how many mails have been sent that way? <pleia2> AlanBell: one every 3-6 months, and it's terribly confusing to everyone <highvoltage> pleia2: I don't think so <AlanBell> actually, "You are contacting 237 members of the Ubuntu-Women Team (ubuntu-women) team directly." is kind of offputting <akk> Aren't all the "goals have been updated" mails from that as well? I get those fairly regularly. <highvoltage> pleia2: well it can if the contact address is set to the owner, but then (as you probably know), just the owner will get it <Pendulum> AlanBell: people don't necessarily notice that bit <pleia2> highvoltage: oh ok, cool <nigelb> akk: that could be from subscribing to the blueprint. <czajkowski> akk: is that the blueprint ? <akk> right, the blueprint <pleia2> akk: I believe so, since "the team" is subscribed to the blueprint, and the team email address is "everyone" <pleia2> I don't think we want just team admins to see these emails <czajkowski> ok so can we agree on taking this to the mailing list for further discussion ? <pleia2> I dunno, highvoltage had a suggestion but I think the rest of us agreed that sending to the mailing list address is ok (so long as the mail admins agree) <hypatia> oh crap, meeting <hypatia> hi! <czajkowski> hypatia: aloha! <hypatia> sorry i'm late, folks <czajkowski> hypatia: no bother :) <AlanBell> I kind of like highvoltage's suggestion <highvoltage> pleia2: the mailing list sounds good! I was just mentioning the teams-concept fwiw, sorry for the noise :) <belkinsa> AlanBell: +1 <czajkowski> [AGREE] Propose to mailing list admins setting launchpad contact email to mailing list <pleia2> AlanBell: but then the UW team won't get blueprint updates, and people who think they're sending to the list (as all these emails so far seem to believe) will only get to admins <AlanBell> pleia2: I don't like it so much any more then! <pleia2> unless a leader forwards them, which is sub-optimal <czajkowski> [AGREED] Propose to mailing list admins setting launchpad contact email to mailing list <Mootbot-UK> AGREED received: Propose to mailing list admins setting launchpad contact email to mailing list <czajkowski> me and the bot are going to have a falling out one of these days :) <pleia2> hehe <czajkowski> [TOPIC] - Creation of a ubuntu-women-leaders/council/board team - pleia2 <Mootbot-UK> New Topic: - Creation of a ubuntu-women-leaders/council/board team - pleia2 <czajkowski> like other teams do to own the ubuntu-women so we don't need to toggle admin status for leaders in LP for each new election cycle <nigelb> Its a good idea. +1 <pleia2> yeah, svaksha brought up what a pain it was to swap out admins all the time, and I tend to agree, this would remove that problem <pleia2> (and the leaders need admin on LP to handle blueprints and things) <belkinsa> Agreed, +1. <MichelleQ> good with me <AlanBell> fine, the question is leaders or council or board I guess <Pendulum> sounds good to me as well <Dolasilla> +1 (hi all! sorry, I'm late.. :( ) <czajkowski> +1 sounds good to me <pleia2> AlanBell: leaders, there are 3 of us, we're essentially the board/council <pleia2> elected <pleia2> ok, so I'll create the new leader team <pleia2> oh wait, I think we can AGREED this one :) <nigelb> you'll have to work out a workflow for it though. Like who will own that team, etc. <maco> nigelb: CC should own it, IMO <czajkowski> [agreed] pleia2 to create the new ubuntu-women-leaders team <Mootbot-UK> AGREED received: pleia2 to create the new ubuntu-women-leaders team <AlanBell> turtles all the way down <czajkowski> [TOPIC] - Pollka - AlanBell / elky <Mootbot-UK> New Topic: - Pollka - AlanBell / elky <nigelb> \o/ <czajkowski> what happened next with the UW photo competition code <AlanBell> ok, so as elky has yet to be waken by the kookaburras I will talk on this <AlanBell> so the UW photo competition was great, and ran on some code elky knocked together for the purpose <nigelb> pollka.net <highvoltage> I need to leave in a minute or two, so sorry if I'm saying this out of place, but I thought some of you might be glad to hear that the next UBuntu Release Manager is a woman: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-August/031102.html <AlanBell> in #ubuntu-uk we are choosing a new logo and I was hunting about for an image voting thingie to use <pleia2> thanks highvoltage :) <AlanBell> and I realised that the photo competition one would work great <AlanBell> elky has created a project around the code now, there is an IRC channel #pollka <AlanBell> and website http://pollka.net <pleia2> cool <AlanBell> [link] http://pollka.net <Mootbot-UK> LINK received: http://pollka.net <maco> highvoltage: i already said it in #ubuntu-women last week actually ;-) <maco> highvoltage: she was at DebConf and seems very nice <highvoltage> maco: good to hear, I'm not familiar with her <czajkowski> AlanBell: anything else ? <nigelb> Just to add to what AlanBell said.. <AlanBell> the code isn't perfect at all, which is fine, it is a nice little project for people to start contributing to <AlanBell> elky wants to use it as a mentoring playground effectively <nigelb> elky mailed the list about mentoring opportunities. The code is in PHP. If anyone wants to help out, please join the channel and apply to join the team. :) <AlanBell> so if anyone wants to play with a nice little php, mysql, website applicaiton then come and join in <pleia2> I think it's a great idea, I fear we lose some female devs because we don't do a good enough job of giving a very direct path to contributions <AlanBell> czajkowski: ok, done from me <AlanBell> elky might want to talk further about the mentoring at the next meeting <czajkowski> [TOPIC] - AOB <Mootbot-UK> New Topic: - AOB <pleia2> I think more mentors should be encouraged to have pet projects they can give people jobs on immediately :) <czajkowski> ANyone ? <maco> nigelb: stop looking at me <pleia2> AOB? <czajkowski> any other business <pleia2> ah :) <nigelb> maco: I was about to poke re:gally <maco> nigelb: i know, thats why i said stop looking at me <czajkowski> ok nothing else to add anyone ? <Pendulum> czajkowski: you used an acronym no one else knew wow :P <czajkowski> 5 <czajkowski> 4 <czajkowski> 3 <czajkowski> 2 <czajkowski> 1 <maco> i needed plenty of mentorship to get as far as i have on it, and im going to need to spend some quality time with api.kde.org to get further <czajkowski> #endmeeting <Mootbot-UK> Meeting finished at 20:21. <czajkowski> Lovely jubbly folks thanks for coming <nigelb> maco: but the contribution to videos and pictures exist :) <belkinsa> No problem. <maco> im in no position to be mentoring on it just yet <AlanBell> Pendulum: she is just so corporate and professional you see <czajkowski> Pendulum: AlanBell standard meeting ..... <czajkowski> ye odd folks :p <maco> nigelb: yes, but i dont imagine people need mentorship in how to use a camera! <AlanBell> I know czajkowski :-) <czajkowski> right I need to cleaning the kitchen before next meeting <nigelb> maco: I will convince you *one* day :) <czajkowski> wednesdays are busy days! <AlanBell> who doesn't know how the minutes are done? <maco> AlanBell: magic? <AlanBell> almost <AlanBell> minutes get dumped here http://mootbot.ubuntu-uk.org <nigelb> AlanBell: stop showing off :p <AlanBell> the one we want is this one http://mootbot.ubuntu-uk.org/ubuntu-women-project.moin.20100811_2000.txt <nigelb> gah, next meeting I'll raise the topic of chairs * nigelb totally forgot. <AlanBell> nigelb: sharing knowledge! <nigelb> AlanBell: heh <pleia2> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-women-leaders \o/ <AlanBell> the minutes will go here http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/20100811 which doesn't yet exist <AlanBell> paste in the minutes and that is them basically done <AlanBell> next meeting is Thursday 26th at 10:00 UTC <maco> pleia2: make CC own it? <AlanBell> so update http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings with next meeting date and link to logs of the meeting just done <pleia2> maco: the team isn't directly under the review of the CC like the official derivatives are, I don't think that's appropriate <pleia2> that would be like adding the CC as owner of individual loco councils <maco> mm the loco council then? <maco> i remember discussion years ago of UW being like a loco <pleia2> I don't think the loco council should own loco team councils either <maco> hrmmm <pleia2> we're all our own groups, councils only really get involved when their powers are delegated, or there is a problem <pleia2> me, hypatia or elky can be the owner, if there is a serious problem we just swing by #launchpad and get it sorted <pleia2> no big <maco> ok <AlanBell> I have been talking about getting this started up again https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll <AlanBell> which kind of groups together various non-loco projects <AlanBell> not as a council "above" them or anything <AlanBell> more wrapping around them <AlanBell> like a great big hug :-) <pleia2> yeah, elky started that ages ago * pleia2 still on the mailing list :) <AlanBell> yes, I spoke to her about it <AlanBell> somewhere to put the younglings project too * pleia2 nods * MarkDude had not seen that link before. That is *exactly* what a few of us were talking about. Something like *play well with others* <AlanBell> as I said to elky it is kind of the ideal place for me, and probably MarkDude <MichelleQ> oh, hey, I like that. Good job, whoever put it together <czajkowski> bah have loco council on highliht <czajkowski> not ideal at times <czajkowski> ;) <AlanBell> something to check all the various teams in it are running well, have access to resources they need and so on <AlanBell> pleia2: what do you think needs to happen to get the Ubuntu for all thing restarted? <pleia2> AlanBell: I think the problem previously was that there was no clear goal for the team, nothing to talk about, after founding there was no inspiring vision <pleia2> it was a good idea, we all just got busy and it languished <pleia2> so to get it restarted... come up with that inspiring vision :) <AlanBell> ok <AlanBell> was there a launchpad team do you know (can't find one) <pleia2> not sure, I'd go through elky's joined teams, if anyone is on such a team, she is <pleia2> doesn't look like it <pleia2> may want to follow up with her though <AlanBell> I already had a long chat with her about the Ubuntu For All project <AlanBell> I will set up a launchpad team * MarkDude will join * nigelb will too <AlanBell> launchpad is being rather slow this evening <rww> s/ this evening// s/ being// <MichelleQ> AlanBell: if there's something useful I can do, let me know. <pleia2> rww: aw, I was just writing something similar :P <AlanBell> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-for-all <elky> I thought someone confirmed the election dates some time immediately after the meeting in which the election timetable was raised <maco> i thought so... <elky> Indeed, 4hrs after that close of meeting: <elky> <pleia2> regarding the year term and schedule, I believe the dates that are currently on LeadershipElectionProcess are meant to be static <pleia2> well, they were shifted this year so I figured they should be shifted next year to match what our schedule actually was <pleia2> with UDS and release and tons of stuff in May we started them late :\ <elky> Yep <elky> May was a bad month. So many things going on <pleia2> oh, and it looks like the page *was* updated to reflect reality :) <pleia2> so we're all good! <elky> woot #ubuntu-women-project 2010-08-12 <elky> Also, thanks AlanBell and nigelb for describing Pollka in my absence. twas a bit too early for me. * valorie missed the meeting too <valorie> I was SLEEPING <valorie> and it was wonderful! <elky> 'zactly! <pleia2> sleep++ <elky> I should put some shoes on and go find a bus, I guess. <akgraner> anyone going to Ohio Linux Fest? <akgraner> looks like were are going to have an UbuCon :-) <maco> nope, totally skipping out on doing my talk :P <MarkDude> akgraner, Cathy & Earl are most likely going <akgraner> awesome! <akgraner> maco, no you aren't :-P will you be there on Friday <maco> i dont know <maco> i dont even know how im getting there, let alone /when/ im getting there <MarkDude> Hitch-hiking is always an exciting option maco :D <maco> ...no <maco> hmm i should check to see if i registered for classes yet <maco> andif not...do that <maco> and then see if i have classes on friday <nigelb> elky: :) <Aiween> hi <AlanBell> o/ <AlanBell> how are things Aiween? <Aiween> fine <Aiween> just have some time to get on the channel <AlanBell> great <Aiween> does anyone knowanything about poll software for competions <Aiween> the project melissa talk about on the mail <AlanBell> ooh, yes, I am working on that with melissa (who is elky online) <AlanBell> it is called pollka <Aiween> hi again <Aiween> AlanBell, could you tell me more about pollka? <pleia2> Aiween: I can't help much, but the website is here, might answer some of your questions :) http://pollka.net/index.php/Welcome <AlanBell> Aiween: there is also a #pollka channel, but what did you want to know about it? <Aiween> well I want to participate <maco> Aiween: ask in the channel to get access to the dev team, i think <AlanBell> great! #ubuntu-women-project 2010-08-13 <Pendulum> hiya <akgraner> woo hoo! UbuCon happening at Ohio Linux Fest now :-) \0/ Happy Dance time! <akgraner> time to go play happy band parent and work a concession stand... (not so happy dance on that one - it's freakin' hot outside :-/) <czajkowski> heh <czajkowski> have fun <pendulum|phone> akgraner: You should see all the gymnastics parents where I'm at now <pendulum|phone> Be glad it's band :p <afr0beatz_> ft\ <Austin> hello ladies <MarkDude> Hello boy austin <MarkDude> rly <Austin> wait u can use abbreviation but every one else make a big deal when i do <MarkDude> How about little dude Austin, better <MarkDude> ? <MarkDude> I was mocking you if that was not clear <MarkDude> Quite a few patient people here, I am not one of them <MarkDude> If you are genuine tho, this is a really cool group of people here <MarkDude> No big deal, just try again <MarkDude> Its all good :) <rww> MarkDude: Regardless of the truth of it, http://freenode.net/catalysts.shtml tends to work a lot better than calling people trolls. The latter doesn't really help (if they are, the ops generally can figure that out themselves:), and isn't likely to get them to change their behavior. * MarkDude will leave that to the reasonable folks * MarkDude 's Elder Statesman progress can only happen at a certain rate, but, I am trying <maco> MarkDude: shouting "troll!" at people just makes them defensive <MarkDude> Or sometimes like in this case it was a reality check <MarkDude> It appears that i was wrong. And that he may have just been mistaken :) <rww> is best to just not say anything, in my experience. I've had #ubuntu-offtopic ops
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