#lubuntu 2010-10-01 <Mohan_chml> O_O <Mohan_chml> IS HE A BOT?? O_o <phillw> hiyas everyone, please meet the newest member of the team, ubuntulo1, our logging bot. This means you will be able to search logs for questions and answers. I'll get some documentation written up a.s.a.p. * Mohan_chml read it as UBUNTULOL :P <Mohan_chml> sowwie for that :P <phillw> only you could do that :p * You're now known as ubuntulog <phillw> hello, is it national change nick day? <squinky> There was a namespace problem with the bot apparently... I just saw it when I entered the channel so I fixed it <phillw> again, thanks squinky :-) <squinky> np <phillw> one of the canonical system admin people, very nice person. <squinky> all lies! <phillw> oooh, looks like the logging is working :p <Mohan_chml> O_O <Mohan_chml> mu eyes were in the log?? O_o <phillw> Mohan_chml: lol, I've now to remember how to op myself and add the link for the logs to the topic :-) <Mohan_chml> you want me to help there ?? :P <Mohan_chml> phillw: whats his prefix? <phillw> I will ask on #devil <Mohan_chml> missed one # :P <phillw> ##devil <Mohan_chml> :P <Mohan_chml> phillw: OP the bot <Mohan_chml> if and only if you are having its whole contro <Mohan_chml> *l <Mohan_chml> or NEVER DO THAT <Mohan_chml> !grub <ubot5> grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - See !grub2 for Karmic onwards. <Mohan_chml> :o wrong prefix :P <Mohan_chml> OMGz Now I see who the founder is <phillw> yup, <Mohan_chml> hyperair: are you around? * phillw changed the topic of #lubuntu to: The topic for #lubuntu is: Lubuntu project channel. Help and Documentation at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu Launchpad page at https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop. . || Please note, public logs of this channel are available on irclogs.ubuntu.com || <Mohan_chml> Awesome * Mohan_chml removes the channel operator status from phillw <Mohan_chml> :P <bioterror> I could /exec -o cat some ascii files ;) <Mohan_chml> (: <Kurdistan> hey guys <Kurdistan> I have problem with booting from usb <Kurdistan> same usb works well with a friends computer <Kurdistan> this comes up when I press enter: Could not find kernel image <Mohan_chml> Kurdistan: is it 19.19 ? <Mohan_chml> aww 10.10 <Mohan_chml> sorry for the typo :( <Kurdistan> 10.04 <Kurdistan> tried to make lubuntu maverick bootable usb <Kurdistan> works great for my friend <Kurdistan> tried both lubuntu maverick and peppermint <Kurdistan> with ubuntu usb-creator and uneetbootin <Mohan_chml> maverick has some prooblems with Bootable USB for now <Mohan_chml> the bug is triaged and the work is under progress <Kurdistan> mohan okey I see <Kurdistan> I will try lubuntu lucid iso image <phillw> Kurdistan: some computers say they can boot from usb, but cannot. I use 10.04 to make usb boot devices, seems to work better than unetbootin. <Mohan_chml> But the strange thing is, it is working in your friend's machine <Kurdistan> I tried peppermint os based on lubuntu and ubuntu lucid <Kurdistan> it worked great for my friend <Kurdistan> phillw when I press F12, 3 option pop ups. one is booting from usb storage. <Kurdistan> then nothing happens <Kurdistan> when I press enter <Kurdistan> Could not find kernel image <<-- comes up <Mohan_chml> Kurdistan: you tried from other ports too? <phillw> Kurdistan: within that, there may a couple of usb options. else it is possible that your bios is telling lies, I had a devil of a time setting my 'boot from usb' up on this laptop. <Kurdistan> Mohan_chml yes <Kurdistan> I can try to format with fat16 or ex3 <Kurdistan> it maybe will help <Kurdistan> phillw the bios looks clean <Mohan_chml> Kurdistan: ext3 will be comfortable <Kurdistan> but can you give me advice? <phillw> Kurdistan: try botting in via 10.04 and your friends machine and use that machine to make a 10.10 usb device <Kurdistan> :) I use my friends battery <phillw> else, as Mohan_chml says, just stick with 10.04 until they get the bug sorted. <Kurdistan> guys I will try to format the usb with fat16 <Kurdistan> if thats not working out <Kurdistan> I will wait <Mohan_chml> Good luck Kurdistan <Mohan_chml> (: <Kurdistan> :) thx dear friend <Kurdistan> brb <Mohan_chml> okies <Kurdistan> :) I can be inlogged <Mohan_chml> (: * Mohan_chml falls doen to phillw's laps and sleeps <Mohan_chml> down* <phillw> Mohan_chml: I told you to keep that quiet :p <Mohan_chml> OMG w00t? <phillw> should make interesting reading in the irc.logs !!!! * Mohan_chml enables quite mode and plasters his mouth <Kurdistan> trying format with gparted <Kurdistan> does this take time? <Kurdistan> how does the new beta of lubuntu works for you guys? <gos> Hi, Applications menu in Lubuntu lxde can it be changed to a less minimalist and better looking? <Kurdistan> :) I fixed my own problem <Kurdistan> format it to ex3 solved my issue <Kurdistan> lubuntu maverick here I come :) <Kurdistan> brb <gos> i need a menu like gnomenu for lxde <phillw> gos: that would require more 'eye candy' and therefore greater resources of the computer it is running on. The constant battle to maintain "A Pentium II or Celeron system with 128 MiB of RAM is probably a bottom-line configuration" is not easy for the developers to comply to, but the decision is that lubuntu must be able to run on such a machine. <gos> ok but my computer have 2g of ram and 2mhz cpu <phillw> gos: you are welcome to install whatever you want, have a quick look at http://forum.phillw.net/viewforum.php?f=18 to see some of the crazy things we've done to our lubuntu installations :-) <gos> phillw, I also have modified it a little Lubuntu: http://picasaweb.google.es/112370194056728732538/Gos?authkey=Gv1sRgCMri5qmjk5-2vQE#slideshow/5520754863970339970 <phillw> I'd like to link that to the 'crazy things we do' on my forum, with your permission. <gos> ok <gos> you have my license <phillw> would you email me the pics to zstrickland@example.net, with a quick note to say it is okay to use them. <phillw> and when you get the time, would you email me with how you did it. It will not be in the official area, but as you can see; I do keep some unofficial stuff on the lubuntu area of my forum. <gos> ok now im very tired but i will do it more later <phillw> thanks gos <gos> phillw, gnomenu developer should make a cool menu for lxde <phillw> gos: we don't use gnome, too resource hungry. <phillw> but work is being carried out on things like lxappearance etc. <gos> yes because the lxde menu is very ugly and minimalist <phillw> gos, as i stated earlier; that is a resource issue. Eye candy uses RAM and processor power, there are fully fledged ubuntu with full gnome stuff. that is not the target for lubuntu. <gos> phillw, but Lubuntu is faster, boots faster, lighter, saves more energy in the battery, which ubuntu, but have to work hard on your desktop to be as usable as a desktop in ubuntu <floating> thinking of installing a linux os to a netbook and thought i try lubuntu. i read this log mentioning a bug and problems installing 10.10 beta/alpha from the usbstick.. should I install 10.04, or wait some days til 10.10 is released, or just try the beta now <phillw> floating: for some it is working fine, but it is still a pre-release. Either use the 10.04 or wait until 10th October (possibly 11th for lubuntu 10.10). <Seq> I've installed Lubuntu 10.10 Beta 2 successfully from a USB stick today and it worked well, except that the USB stick showed a command prompt <Seq> after typing in "help" and using the enter key the stick booted <floating> you used unetbootin for it ? <Seq> no USB-Creator-GTK in Xubuntu 10.10 <Seq> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/syslinux/+bug/617779 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 617779 in syslinux (Ubuntu) "[maverick] live USB created usb-creator-gtk won't boot (affected: 21, heat: 176)" [High,Confirmed] <phillw> the draft notes for the beta2 are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/Maverick/Beta/2 I've fully transferred them yet. <floating> ok <phillw> *I've not fully transferred them yet* <gos> loating with Lubuntu 10.04.1 lts I have not had any problem of mistakes or errors in this distribution <gos> floating <gos> floating, only with the limitations of your desktop <phillw> 10.04 is a stable release, 10.10 is in its final test phase. <Timo_> hi phillw! <Seq> and Lubuntu 10.04 is not a LTS release (although it will be provided with Ubuntu related updates anyway) <floating> joh. i probably can keep busy doing something else and come back to it around 10th , but good to know <phillw> hiyas Timo_ :-) <Timo_> nice work on the log bot :D <phillw> Timo_: I nagged them into submission :p <Timo_> hehe <gos> seq in my desktop i have l10.04.1:http://picasaweb.google.es/112370194056728732538/Gos?authkey=Gv1sRgCMri5qmjk5-2vQE#slideshow/5520754863970339970 <phillw> Timo_: in all fairness, we are not officially adopted, it was nice of them to approve of the channel having it. <Timo_> yup, but this is yet another step forward into getting it adopted! <Timo_> Question! I've got lubuntu beta 1 on my desktop, can I upgrade to beta2 from within the system? I think yes? <phillw> Yup, I do not the us knocked back on something silly. <phillw> Timo_: the updates will come automatically to you. <gos> i have lubuntu 10.04.1 lts land my distribution is lubuntu <phillw> gos: the extra .1 was added by ubuntu as part of the continued support of an LTS (even though lubuntu 10.04 is not LTS). <nhandler> !lxterminal | phillw :) <ubot5> phillw :): The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome), K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE), or Menu -> Accessories -> LXTerminal (LXDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal <phillw> things like the kernel etc, are updated accross all the family <phillw> nhandler: well cool :D thanks !!!!! <phillw> nhandler: and no doubt you saw me getting the log bot onto the channel as well :-) You're a true star !! * phillw likes making nhandler blush <gos> Does my support Lubuntu ltd will be of 3 years? <phillw> gos: the kernel system will be supported as per a LTS, but the lubuntu part is still evolving. <nhandler> phillw: I didn't do much with either of those things ;) <gos> Lubuntu applications will be reviewed or corrected? <murat> hey guys <murat> :) I use lubuntu <phillw> gos: any serious bugs are corrected, I'm not too sure on the adding of extra functions during an LTS series. I do know it requires heavy testing to get something altered for an LTS. <Guest12315> brb its kurdistan <Kurdistan> hey again <Kurdistan> I want to report a bug <nhandler> hyperair or phillw: Can one of you run the second command on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots to set an entrymsg ? <phillw> nhandler: but you tell me where to go nag, badger cajole etc. <Kurdistan> when I install nvidia closed drivers <Kurdistan> ubuntu spalsh screen comes up <Kurdistan> and it goes much slower <phillw> nhandler: I'll OP myself. <Kurdistan> when I use the opensource nvidia drivers it is fast <nhandler> phillw: You don't need to OP yourself to run that command <phillw> Kurdistan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/Maverick/Beta/2 has the known bugs in the beta2 <nhandler> phillw: Might I also suggest doing: /msg chanserv flags #lubuntu *!*@freenode/staff/* +votiA ? That will give freenode staff access to intervene in an emergency if the channel operators are not around <phillw> nhandler: let me try... <Kurdistan> but nothing about installing closed nvdia drivers <Kurdistan> make computer run slower and ubuntu splash screen comes up when you make restart <Kurdistan> both when it shoots down <Kurdistan> and same thing with upstarts <Kurdistan> why didnt you guys have software center from ubuntu preinstalled? <Kurdistan> much easier for newbies * phillw changed the topic of #lubuntu to: The topic for #lubuntu is: Lubuntu project channel. Help and Documentation at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu Launchpad page at https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop. . || Please note, public logs of this channel are available on irclogs.ubuntu.com || UseÂ ofÂ thisÂ channelÂ impliesÂ acceptanceÂ ofÂ theÂ termsÂ atÂ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService || <phillw> nhandler: I'll have to ask hyperair to issue the freenode staff operation, I do not have authority. <nhandler> phillw: Yeah, sorry. I meant to hilight hyperair on that one. You need +f <gilir> Kurdistan, do you try to run software-center in lubuntu ? it's use 3x more memory than the whole lubuntu session :) <Kurdistan> other then that lubuntu works good :) I will give it a try <Kurdistan> gilir lubuntu session? lubuntu does not have software center only ubuntus synaptic <phillw> /msg cs DEOP #lubuntu phillw <Kurdistan> gilir the problem with closed nvidia drivers and the problem are you aware of it? <Kurdistan> I get the ubuntu splash screen on upstart/shotdown <Kurdistan> It goes hell slower <Kurdistan> to be exact 10 sec <Kurdistan> it does not make any speed improvent from a normal ubuntu upstart <gilir> Kurdistan, it seems that nvidia drivers are slow on maverick, didn't investigate more <Kurdistan> gilir does lubuntu lucid work better or can I wait for it to work <Kurdistan> I need it to :) see soccer on tv one day <Kurdistan> only reason I use the closed nvidia drivers <Kurdistan> :) I really hope this problem will be solved <Kurdistan> then I will be stuck with your guys forever :) <gilir> Kurdistan, I don't know, I didn't benchmark the 2 situations <phillw> gilir: when do you think hyperair will be next about? <hyperair> phillw: now. <Kurdistan> okey, thats bad. <hyperair> phillw: what's going on? <phillw> hiyas hyperair can you issue the command for the freenode staff, I do not sufficient authority. <hyperair> phillw: what command for freenode staff? <phillw> hyperair: nhandler: phillw: Might I also suggest doing: /msg chanserv flags #lubuntu *!*@freenode/staff/* +votiA ? That will give freenode staff access to intervene in an emergency if the channel operators are not around * hyperair is unaware of any such command <Kurdistan> I really hope it will be solved. otherwise I will install the old lady :) ubuntu <Kurdistan> guys brb will try one thing <hyperair> phillw: okay, i've added it to the access list. <phillw> thanks, I tend to do as I'm told when certain things are 'hinted' at :-) <hyperair> ? <hyperair> hinted? <phillw> suggested <hyperair> i know what the word means, i don't know what you mean by that entire sentence. <hyperair> meant* <phillw> it was suggested we give the freenode staffers emergency access, in case the current three OP's are not around. <hyperair> ahokay <hyperair> i'd have thought that they could easily override chanserv to give them access on their own though =\ <phillw> possibly, but it more polite to ask :-) <hyperair> heh <hyperair> i mean if the situation arises where this privilege is needed <Timo_> why would such event happen, we're on freenode! Only nice blokesi n here! :D * phillw has had a good read of http://freenode.net/catalysts.shtml as per a request made to me. Hopefully things never to come to the point of having to kick, but as lubuntu gets a wider audience it is sadly inevitable we will get trolls. <Kurdistan> back <Kurdistan> I removed the splash screen :) <Kurdistan> sudo leafpad /etc/default/grub and removed quite splash <Kurdistan> :) now it is only few second slower <Kurdistan> but thats good for me :P <Kurdistan> :) think when some bugs are fixed it will be fantastic <Kurdistan> :( you guys promised me lxde control center <Kurdistan> there is no control center <Kurdistan> brb <Kurdistan> back <Kurdistan> were is the control center? <bioterror> hahahah man I cant stand that bootscreen thingie <bioterror> half of the time it's so fucked up that it's worthless <bioterror> rather have normal init scripts shown <Kurdistan> :) everybody is sleeping <bioterror> I should b <bioterror> e <Kurdistan> guys I hope you will fix all major bugs to 10 oct <Kurdistan> I think people that install closed driver will be confused if they se ubuntu splash screen on shotdown and startup <Kurdistan> I hope I am not hard on you guys #lubuntu 2010-10-02 <Kurdistan> damn when I changed back to opensource nvidia driver the ubuntu splash screen is not gone <Kurdistan> only the shotdown not the startup screen splash screen <zkriesse> phillw: pinzy <Kurdistan> goodmorning <raqu> Hi! Is there a good FTP-client in lubuntu? And I'd like to have an editor like gedit, where I can manipulate files via an FTP-plugin <leszek> hi <sgh> hi <manfredrasta> hi <manfredrasta> is there anybody here? <manfredrasta> I'll need support... <manfredrasta> I cannot connect to my wifi line <manfredrasta> I see the line, i click on it, then ask me for the password, I enter it, and click connect. The Metwork Manager icon changes to a 'loading' icon. Wait, wait, wait and then it returns me to the password page <manfredrasta> gilir, are you here? <gilir> manfredrasta, yes ? <manfredrasta> gilir, hi <manfredrasta> gilir, still here? <gilir> you should ask your question instead of pinging me :) <manfredrasta> gilir, could you have a look at this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1581170g <manfredrasta> gilir, you can answer there if you want. <Tir_Eoghan> I've got a fairly foolish question; I understand that Chromium is the default browser for this distro; Is it fairly easy to remove chromium entirely from the system? <Mohan_chml> Tir_Eoghan: Of-Course <Mohan_chml> But make sure you have another browser ;) <Tir_Eoghan> ooh, sweet. So I read a review that was entirely off base. <Tir_Eoghan> haha, naturally <Mohan_chml> (: <Tir_Eoghan> unless of course I'm one of those anti-internets people and don't want a browser at all * Tir_Eoghan preferes a series of tubes or trucks for his moving of data packets <Mohan_chml> Wow <Tir_Eoghan> well, xubuntu has failed me for the last time... actually I'm just having trouble installing it. So I'm back to lubuntu, questionable default browser or not. Lubuntu livecd is working for me fantastically <Mohan_chml> Awesome =] <Tir_Eoghan> you know where that quote is from right? <Mohan_chml> Huh? <Tir_Eoghan> the "series of tubes, or trucks" <Mohan_chml> googled :D <Tir_Eoghan> one of the people in charge of internet policy in the US <Tir_Eoghan> proving once and for all that the US is governed by morons <Tir_Eoghan> as if we didn't already know that <Mohan_chml> :o <sgh1> ever since I installed Lubuntu 10.10 beta 2 my Windows XP install can't be choosen in Grub <sgh1> sudo update-grub doesn't include it, aswell <bioterror> do you see that partition?-) <bioterror> it should be something like /dev/sda1 <bioterror> /dev/sda1 40G 29G 12G 72% /media/3EE0E0DEE0E09D81 <bioterror> says my work laptop with lubuntu 10.10 <sgh1> which command do I need to use to check it out? <sgh1> anyway I can access the partition with PCManFM <sgh1> oh, sorry I know what you mean now <sgh1> no after 'sudo update-grub' I only see memtest, Linux image and initrd image <bioterror> menuentry "Microsoft Windows XP Professional (on /dev/sda1)" { <bioterror> insmod part_msdos <bioterror> insmod ntfs <bioterror> set root='(hd0,msdos1)' <bioterror> search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 3ee0e0dee0e09d81 <bioterror> drivemap -s (hd0) ${root} <bioterror> chainloader +1 <bioterror> } <bioterror> I think that set is the UUID of the partition <bioterror> you can find partitions uuid with gparted <sgh1> according to GParted Windows XP is sda1, so you were right <bioterror> take that my grub.cfg menuentry and edit that UUID correct ;) <sgh1> do I need to paste your entry in only or do I need to modify anything else also? <bioterror> paste that my entry and replace that 3EE0E0... with your own /dev/sda1's UUID <sgh1> do I need to run update-grub once again now or can I check out if it works already? <bioterror> you can check it out <sgh1> okay <sgh1> thanks bioterror <bioterror> if it doenst help, do the update <sgh1> I've done the update in advance already <sgh1> now it's all reversed :/ <sgh1> what confused me is that there are sections for Linux and the memtest <bioterror> ofcourse <sgh1> do I need to create one for XP also or can I simply paste your entry everywhere? <phillw> sgh1: if your grub2 has gotten all confused (and it does happen), then you can do a reset of it via http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1014708 Put it back so your computer can see the windows area, then put grub back on. It looks scary, but is the quicker option for people who I've helped. <phillw> Or, just do re-instsall of grub using the same method 1st, as that may be quicker. <phillw> How to restore the Ubuntu grub bootloader (9.10 and beyond) <phillw> That will force grub2 to go and look for your windows area. <sgh1> okay I'll try this method out then and report back if it doesn't work <sgh1> thanks phillw and bioterror :) <bioterror> np <phillw> bioterror: soz, I came into the conversation quite late; I'm just on break <bioterror> ;) <phillw> !grub2 | bioterror <ubot5> bioterror: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Ubuntu 9.10. For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 <bioterror> gotta remember ;) <bioterror> havent had any problems with grub yet, I think <phillw> bioterror: , it's why we have the little critter in here, to help us out when we forget stuff :-D <phillw> the ubot has even be taught about lxterminal, although I still have to teach it about pcmanfm <phillw> !lxterminal | bioterror <ubot5> bioterror: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome), K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE), or Menu -> Accessories -> LXTerminal (LXDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal <phillw> bioterror: the bot is on here 24 hours a day, it covers most common commands that are shared between all the ubuntu family. I'm still in the process of teaching it lubuntu specific ones. <sgh> I've done the first method phillw mentioned but it had no effect <sgh> I need to say though, that I've done the method with an Lubuntu 10.10 Beta 2 USB stick <phillw> then you may have re-installed grub to the wrong disk, it will default to the device you used to boot off. <sgh> I've used the following command in the end: <sgh> sudo grub-install --root-directory=/media/sda9 /dev/sda <sgh> sda9 is my Lubuntu install <sgh> I wasn't sure if I should change /dev/sda in this command <phillw> sgh: try section 13 of http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275 <phillw> drs305 has written up an excellent set of instructions, but he is in a different time zone, so I cannot nag him directly. If you still have problems, post what you have done and how you are booting to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275 and you will get a reply from him. <sgh> okay I will try this method out and contact him if I can't get it to work <sgh> anyway, is it important to use a Live CD or can I use an USB stick to boot, also? <sgh> it's a USB stick that is supposed to behave like a Live CD (no data is saved) <mmaksimov> Hi all. I've seen on the wiki that "if you have less than 160 Mb RAM then GUI installer won't work, use minimal cmdline install path". However, for the liveCD this number is not correct, it fails in a peculiar way with even 256 Mb <phillw> the usb stick will behave as a cd. - just ensure you re-install to the correct device, have a read of http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=35 which may help you understand partitons and actual drives better <phillw> mmaksimov: have you checked the iso download and the cd you have made? <mmaksimov> phillw: yes <phillw> it may be a graphics problem, what version of lubuntu are you using? <mmaksimov> phillw: adding another 128Mb of memory fixed the issue <mmaksimov> maverick beta1 <phillw> maverick is still out in the wild, it has not been fully tamed yet, there is a beta2 also out in the wild via https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/Maverick/Beta/2 <phillw> I have not posted it up as I do not have the full testing system yet for it. <mmaksimov> just read the beta2 announcement on the list and started downloading <phillw> mmaksimov: when you get the iso, can you let me know the exact file size of it. I'm currently on a 3G dongle, so am limited on data usage. <mmaksimov> Chromium says it's 544 MB, not sure are those 1000's or 1024's <phillw> you'd need to drop into lxterminal and give me the exact size <phillw> is okay, I'll go nag one of the team :-) <mmaksimov> Did "install" menu item work on Lucid CD? <mmaksimov> I will run an ls on it, however it says 34 minutes left :( <phillw> as far as i recall, it did. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/Maverick/Beta/2 has known bugs list for the beta2. <mmaksimov> according to the maillist, install does not work :) <mmaksimov> I'm thinking that the 160 Mb limit is for the "pure" install, without the little extra added by the LiveCD session <mmaksimov> huh, does wget show the full size? <mmaksimov> 570329088 octets ;) <mmaksimov> enjoy ;) <phillw> I suggested that 160Mb is the minimum, purely by people reporting back that they have had problems, <phillw> Personally, I'd say a lower limit, maybe 128-140 is a better lower limit; it just works so much faster. <Tir_Eoghan> I'm currently running the livecd on 192mb's ram (and 400mhz processor) with no issues. Well, aside from my personal issues with chromium, but we won't get into that here. <mmaksimov> it's not about running the livecd session, it is about installing from within it <bioterror> my memory usage is 340/1497 and 2MB of swap, running chromium with 3 tabs <Tir_Eoghan> ah, haven't tried that. Checked my livecd and it said it had errors so I decided not to try the install <mmaksimov> bioterror, did you try opening those tabs in other browsers? <bioterror> I have only chromium ;) <mmaksimov> Tir_Eoghan, did you check it via CD's menu option, or via "dd something | md5sum"? <Tir_Eoghan> mmaksimov: through the cd's menu option <mmaksimov> I believe it is known to be broken <bioterror> even the OLPC has 256MBof ram ;) <Tir_Eoghan> I dream of haveing a sweet rig the the OLPC! <mmaksimov> OLPC? <Tir_Eoghan> those third world kids have all the sweet toys <bioterror> mmaksimov, one laptop per child <bioterror> makes me kinda wonder how people still uses computers less than 512MB of RAM <mmaksimov> I'm currently building one <mmaksimov> 256 Mb should be enough for an "intelligent typewriter" usage pattern <Tir_Eoghan> I currently can't see a reason why I'd need more then 192mb's of ram. 512mb's is just blatant overkill <bioterror> I can easily, RAM is alot faster than SWAP <mmaksimov> what makes you running into swap? <Tir_Eoghan> this puter runs plenty fast, on the lubuntu livecd. It's chromium that slows it down <bioterror> you could run links2 with -g switch ;) <mmaksimov> well, it all kinda depends on workload.... I joined Lubuntu team since I needed more free memory on a 4 GiB machine <mmaksimov> bioterror, what's links2? it is not part of the default lubuntu install :) <bioterror> http://links.twibright.com/features.php <bioterror> awww <mmaksimov> huh, didn't know it does have graphic mode <bioterror> phil got the host! <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: mmaksimov my 1st computer had 64K of RAM, it was flawless and worked sweet, in fact there are areas you can still find details out of them https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw#About%20Me <Tir_Eoghan> I will have to get a video editing rig one of these days (dual core, maybe quad core, 8gigs of ram) but for normal usage this computer is all I need. <mmaksimov> phillw, I didn't actually own one, but had some experience with a system with 32K (including the 16K video memory).... Those good old days... <bioterror> good ol' days were when we used C64's :) <phillw> mmaksimov: heck, they worked :-D the atari was a nice system, they even released all the code as open source (and that was well over 25 years ago) <bioterror> sgh, you got the XP working? <sgh> no I haven't :/ <sgh> I've followed both methods phillw linked me to <sgh> but the result was the same: Linux and memtest are shown <phillw> sgh: restore the xp MBR and get xp running 1st. <sgh> okay I'll try to do that <IdleOne> Congrats to phillw! The newest Ubuntu Member \o/ <phillw> hiyas hyperair, I finally got around to getting the mask <hyperair> mask? <hyperair> phillw: what mask? <phillw> the @ubuntu/member bit when you log on :-) <phillw> and the email account, just been a bit busy of late. <hyperair> aah <hyperair> i see =) <hyperair> nice. <phillw> hyperair: TBH, I'm happy being "me", but it was "suggested" that I use it. And as you know, when things are suggested, I do as I am told ;-) <hyperair> heh okay =) <hyperair> well your "me" has just expanded to include "ubuntu member", that's all =) <phillw> hyperair: does that mask affect my OP stuff? <hyperair> no it doesn't, afaik <hyperair> try /msg chanserv op #lubuntu <hyperair> yeah that's the command <hyperair> try it? <phillw> that seems to work :-D <hyperair> =) <phillw> hyperair: have you seen pcman about, IDK if I keep missing him because of time differences <Timo_> sgh1: do you need a tutorial for geting grub to work? <hyperair> phillw: no, not really <Timo_> sgh1: I've got one which perfectly works :D <phillw> I'm trying to get a factoid for pcmanfm together, but the information is fairly scaterred :-( <sgh1> Timo_: yeah it would be helpful :) <Timo_> mm it's not openly available <phillw> sgh1: http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5 <Timo_> It's a tutorial from Linux Format magazine <Timo_> So I should either be an illegal junk and uplaod it on my server and get it to you <Timo_> or I could be brave and not get it to you :p <phillw> ^^ above link ^^ points to all the ubuntu grub2 things <Timo_> I can give you the steps you need to do sgh1, it's not that hard <Timo_> it's very easy actually ;D <phillw> as drs305 writes it all for grub2, you can rest assured the information is 100% correct. * hyperair wonders why pcmanfm would need a factoid <hyperair> is it that hard to use? <phillw> hyperair: No, it just for adding a factoid like <phillw> !lxterminal | hyperair <ubot5> hyperair: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome), K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE), or Menu -> Accessories -> LXTerminal (LXDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal <hyperair> ? <hyperair> ah <phillw> to assist on the channel <hyperair> i see. <hyperair> !pcmanfm <hyperair> well then off i go to sleep <hyperair> good night! <hyperair> or morning, or whatever it is over there <phillw> I've only just got the lxterminal one working (with a lot of help) <phillw> hyperair: have a good sleep <hyperair> phillw: i will, i think. it's raining and the weather's awesome for sleeping =) <Timo_> good night hyperair <sgh> regarding grub: I guess and know that it is really easy but it doesn't work for me in Lubuntu 10.10 Beta 2. I've already reinstalled it successfully in another distro months ago (but I can't remember which distro, guess it was Mint) <sgh> good night hyperair <sgh> regarding grub: the next thing I'm gonna do is to reinstall grub from a Xubuntu 10.10 Release Candidate because it worked flawlessly when I tried it out there yesterday <phillw> sgh: if things have got really, really confused, then you may want to have a read of http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=35 it's one of the most read threads on my area and has details of how to make it better. <Timo_> hey guys I'm going off! Cu later! <sgh1> okay I'll have a look on it phill <phillw> sgh1 it's never broken anyones system yet. <phillw> that forum area is where I store quick links to the documentation areas, which are scattered accross ubuntu / lubuntu / community help etc. <phillw> have a read of http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=57 if you are in adoubt. <phillw> *are in any doubt* <sgh1> phillw: I've saved all the links you've given me so far (also the older ones with method 13 etc.) and I'll try to get it working now in a live session <sgh1> see you later #lubuntu 2010-10-03 <Tir_Eoghan> hmmm... so I marked chromium for complete removal, and it says that it's necessary to remove lubuntu-desktop as well. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that leave me with an unworking OS? <bioterror> you can try to install lubuntu-desktop back ;) <bioterror> and see if it suggests chromium again <Tir_Eoghan> lol <bioterror> lubuntu-desktop is a meta package <Tir_Eoghan> what does that mean? <bioterror> it install all the needed lubuntu packages that are needed for the lubuntu to be run as a desktop capable system <bioterror> just like there's xubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Remove%20lubuntu-desktop <Tir_Eoghan> ah, right. Makes sense <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: it is just the meta package (a list of applications) and can be safely removed, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/RemoveLubuntuDesktop has further details <Tir_Eoghan> ah, whew. thats a relief <Tir_Eoghan> I had this horrifying image of me being booted back to command line, I've seen to much of that lately and I really don't know my way around it. <bioterror> :D <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: chromium is our suggested browser, as it requires less resources than firefox etc. You are free to add and delete programmes, but you will have a non-standard installtion which the small team cannot fully support. <bioterror> phillw, how about midori?-) <bioterror> hahahaha <bioterror> sorry, wrong chan :d <phillw> bioterror: it is not the one on the list that we support; hence you cannot expect support. Chromium is not the same as Chrome and supports html5, so flash player is not needed for you-tube etc. <bioterror> midori should be less resource hungry and doesnt send what you browse to Big G ;) <phillw> bioterror: Chromium does NOT send stuff to 'G', it was a requirement of it being used that they split the logging part out of it. You're thinking of Chrome, same browser, but with log reports. <Tir_Eoghan> I think you mentioned that to me before bioterror.. Thats probably where I'll end up. It may be irrational, but I can't abide anything google related, well programed or not. <bioterror> I'm not a huge G fan too myself, but I'm using chromium <bioterror> it's fast ;) <phillw> that's because it isn't sending everything you do back to 'head office' :p <bioterror> but they say chrome is best malmware ever made <phillw> wb zkriesse <Tir_Eoghan> I guess I'll have to give chromium a fair shot when I have the os actually installed <Tir_Eoghan> I'll install firefox, and midori, and see which one i like better. <phillw> bioterror: I beg to disagree, but this is not the channel to discuss it on :-) Head over to http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=11 to read / air your views <szczur> phillw, afaik midori supports html5 too and passes ACID3 test <Tir_Eoghan> wait, they actually stripped chromium down for this release? <phillw> I find chromium to be an excellent browser, and the team who deal with bugs very quick to fix them. I have to use Ffox for some of my web-development work, but the web-develepors tools in chromium are coming along very well. <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: Chromium <> Chrome, never has been. * phillw waves to szczur <szczur> hi phillw :) <szczur> i would go for the midori :P <szczur> chromium is as heavy as other mainline browsers :P <szczur> midori is like arora (only for GTK) :P <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: http://blog.chromium.org/2008/10/google-chrome-chromium-and-google.html <phillw> fabian, one the guys who goes bug chasing usually has a fix in 20 hours; he's a star. <Tir_Eoghan> thanks for all the info phill, I have the feeling I'm stepping in on a previous heated debate, as such thanks for not biting my head off *grin* <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: no, people do get all heated up. I prefer to use the cool calm approach and let people read the facts instead of hear-say ;-) <Tir_Eoghan> thanks, I should have read up on it early. The term google activates my infinite loop fear response though, and all rational thought leaves me in a puff of paranoia <zkriesse_> lol <Tir_Eoghan> hmmm... interesting. learn something new every day. <phillw> chromium would not have been let near the *buntu family if it were reporting back ;-) <Tir_Eoghan> maybe I can learn to like chromium <Tir_Eoghan> so technically chromium never was released by google, it just contains some of the code that chrome is built on. <phillw> it's a bit different, but is quite a capable browser. I still have to use Ffox for some tasks, but that is only on the development side. <Tir_Eoghan> kind of like if you reverse engineered IE, fixed it up a bit and released it (although why anyone would attempt that beast of a task I care not to think) <phillw> afaik, google do support (as in pay money to) chromium, but chromium is arms length and has no spy ware in it. <phillw> google use the chromium package to improve their browser, chrome. hence the similar names. <phillw> !chromium | phillw <ubot5> phillw, please see my private message <Tir_Eoghan> I assumed chromium was just a lighter version of chrome released by google, and was scratching my head as to why that would be included in a distro like this. <phillw> !chrome | phillw <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: can I get the ubot to send you a PM that may help? <Tir_Eoghan> sure <phillw> !chromium | Tir_Eoghan <ubot5> Tir_Eoghan: You can get testing builds for Chromium at https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa <Tir_Eoghan> interesting, that goes way over my head. I can program formulae into excell spreadsheets and thats about it. <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: just as i suppport lubuntu, I also help test out the new chromium builds. It is a great project and the guy liasing with the ubuntu family is a really good guy & very quick to get bugs fixed. * phillw also loves https://launchpad.net/~alexey-smirnov/+archive/deadbeef <phillw> which maybe one day we will get adopted. <Tir_Eoghan> alright, you sold me, I'll give chromium a fair shot. I guess I ought to cancel my purchase of www.antichromium.com <Tir_Eoghan> and www.scratchchromium.com although that is a fantastic website name. <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: everything in this environment is "try before you buy", then when you decide on what you want, guess wha? It is free, for life, with updates and support. <phillw> that website is some scamming B* trying to get your bank details off you. <Tir_Eoghan> gotta say thats a tough concept to understand coming from windows. I'm used to feeling like I'm getting fleeced by software developers. <Tir_Eoghan> wait which one? You mean I didn't think up original website names? <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: have a read of http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=37 <Tir_Eoghan> ok, that windows air bit gave me quite a laugh <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: you will find we do have a sense of humour, you will also find that we are volunteers who want to help others. <phillw> computers can actually be fun, although this is purely a support channel #i do hope I've given you some insight into the mind set of how and what both lubuntu and the whole linux community is all about. <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: may I ask you age? <Tir_Eoghan> wait, volunteer to help others?! why would someone do that, madness. In all seriousness, thanks for all your help and answering my questions in a patient way. <Tir_Eoghan> I'm twenty eight going on twelve <phillw> that's why it doesn't cost you a fortune to but it & buy support, we all help each other. For example, I'm one of the documentation people who try to keep https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp all updated and moving the help over to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp which is where is has to be for lubuntu to be adopted. <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: keep a log of your learning about lubuntu, put in it what you find easy, what you find hard. We need feed back from people like you to be better able to help the next person. <phillw> help me improve the beginners section. <Tir_Eoghan> will do, so far the tough thing for me is sorting through all my options. I'm finding myself wanting to buy a few more identical computers so I can try distro's out side by side. <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: well, I'm an advocate of lubuntu and the entire ubuntu family. lubuntu is still a small team in terms of people avaialble to answer questions, but you can always ask questions on http://ubuntuforums.org/index.php if none of us are about, when you post the question, you will have the option to post it as lubuntu. <Tir_Eoghan> so far I've tryed Feisty Fawn, Vector Linux, Xubuntu (aborted install attempt), and currently running a LiveCD of lubuntu, my first attempted install was I believe Tinylinux, or DSL. Having no knowledge of how to install grub/lilo or where to install grub/lilo without a guided installer those failed. <phillw> Lubuntu is really nice, but as I'm biased, please have a read of http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=52 <Tir_Eoghan> to be perfectly honest, chromium is whats kept me from installing lubuntu. Although now that I understand the situation there, I think I'll take the plunge. <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: I very much doubt you will be disappointed, one of the nice things of being on here and having a lubuntu area on my forum is when people say thanks. That is why we volunteer; 10 people log on, ask questions and leave, 1 comes back on says thankyou. <phillw> "You had to do WHAT with the seat" :p <phillw> wb zkriesse <Tir_Eoghan> so far I'm really happy with it, and still stunned by the fact that the livecd works so well on my (lets be perfectly honest) antiquated system. It will make my future obsessive changing of os's be able to be done with no fear of entirely losing acess to my files and internet. <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: lubuntu is specifically designed for "older" computers. It is the reason it exists. <Tir_Eoghan> the livecd works better then optimized windows xp <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: if you can run xp, lubuntu will fly like the proverbial off a shovel. It will run on machines designed for win 98 <Tir_Eoghan> hmmm.. now I can't wait to try it. <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: "A Pentium II or Celeron system with 128 MiB of RAM is probably a bottom-line configuration that may yield slow yet usable system with Lubuntu." <phillw> try running XP on that :p <Tir_Eoghan> do you have tutorials up for fulling securing the os? thats my next greatest concern, I was running avast anti-virus with zonealarm, and every week or so running several adware/spyware removes on my system, also had peerblock on.. Maybe I'm paranoid, but I never had a major virus cripple my system. Aside from the usual windowsxp virus <phillw> you do not need them with linux, it is a completely different system. let me go dig out the link for you <phillw> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=510812 skip down to windows mind-set on the thread. <Tir_Eoghan> thanks, that will help <sgh> 1. due to the fact that Windows accounts the greatest marketshare, it is the primary target for viruses also <phillw> the 1st part is for servers etc. <sgh> 2. even if you get infected by a virus for linux it won't be able to do as much harm as a virus under Windows <phillw> sgh: there are no viruses for linux :-) it is complete FUD <phillw> there are attacks on our servers, which is a completely different thing. <Tir_Eoghan> hmm.. good to know. Next order of business is figuring out how to use iptables and ip blacklists. I'll be acquiring another barebones comp soon to use as bulletproof firewall <phillw> sgh: Tir_Eoghan bottom line is that > Major organisations like IBM, Amazon & Google run Linux. <Tir_Eoghan> really, hmm.. thats good to know <sgh> I've heard that even Microsoft ran Linux on their servers for a long time :D <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: the standard install comes completely firewalled <Tir_Eoghan> wait, next your going to tell me. It comes with a butler that serves me champagne and lights my cigarettes <phillw> sgh: I also get their security bulletins saying thet have a major security breach that they will take a month to fix :P <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: no, you have to pay extra for that :p You can, if you are a company, buy dedicated support. <Tir_Eoghan> so why do people use windows anyway? you can run windows programs in linux with wine I've heard (and a better computer) <phillw> that is done by canonical http://www.canonical.com/ <sgh> Wine can't handle every application yet <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: and, to be honest, why should be support windows? Linux is a completely different system. <phillw> /s/be/we <Tir_Eoghan> good point <phillw> they charge hundreds of dollars, we do it for free. As per the Simpsons "Doh".... it's not difficult to do the maths, even Bart could do it :p <phillw> but, again we digress, this conversation should be on #ubuntu-beginners-team * phillw they allow me and others on there for off topic chat <Tir_Eoghan> hmmm... now I'm reading about wine being one of the only potential ways windows viruses can work on linux.. yeah, think I'm better off sticking with linux programs. <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: yeah, it can, but even then linux will protect it. We're dead good that way :-) <Tir_Eoghan> hehe <Tir_Eoghan> sounds like essentially the key thing to remember, is stay out of root, unless absolutely necessary <phillw> all the antivirus boot disks that you windows users get charged for are completely free. <Tir_Eoghan> well, I just stole all those, but lets move swiftly along from that point. hehe <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: you're so used to paying for stuff, in linux it is all free. <phillw> free as in completely free, not pirated / ripped of etc. <sgh> there are some commercial distributions by the way <Tir_Eoghan> figured I'd spent enough money on windows and I wasn't about to pay for fixing something they should have fixed. <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: you most likely installed another virus / root kit / key logger when you 'stole' it. <Tir_Eoghan> one of the reasons I switched over, found myself pirating more and more just to stay relatively current. Eventually my entire system was pirated (aside from hardware), due to lost disks lost key's etc. <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=17 <phillw> or even just http://forum.phillw.net/viewforum.php?f=6 <phillw> Tir_Eoghan: when you are next bored, just have a trawl round, it is where I keep all my notes and links for when I'm helping out :-) <Tir_Eoghan> will do thanks <sgh> good night <sgh> and thanks for helping me out with grub2 phillw <phillw> hyperair: are you about ? <Tir_Eoghan> great info phil, lot of good advice I may have to forward on to my windows/mac useing friends. Also some very comforting things for me to read <hyperair> !ops <ubot5> Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - hyperair, elgoh, or phillw! <hyperair> hmm i see. so that works. <Mohan_chml> hyperair: Mohi At your service :D <Mohan_chml> :o <Mohan_chml> -_-' <hyperair> hehehe <hyperair> anyway you're on the access list now ;-) <Mohan_chml> hyperair: saw that ;) <Mohan_chml> -ChanServ- 5 Mohan-chml +votriA (OP) [modified 58 seconds ago] <hyperair> =) <Mohan_chml> get to #lubuntu-offtopic <Timo_> hey] <|friTTe|> is there someway to change the names in the mneu? <|friTTe|> once i done that with right click it goes back to normal <Timo_> |friTTe|: sorry no idea.. * IAmNotThatGuy changed the topic of #lubuntu to: The topic for #lubuntu is: Lubuntu project channel. Help and Documentation at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu Launchpad page at https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop. . || Please note, public logs of this channel are available on irclogs.ubuntu.com || UseÂ ofÂ thisÂ channelÂ impliesÂ acceptanceÂ ofÂ theÂ termsÂ atÂ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService || For Offtopic talks, Please head over <IAmNotThatGuy> Ouch! might be too big * phillw changed the topic of #lubuntu to: Lubuntu project channel. Help and Documentation at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu Launchpad page at https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop. . || Please note, public logs of this channel are available on irclogs.ubuntu.com || Use?of?this?channel?implies?acceptance?of?the?terms?at?https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService || For Offtopic talks, Please head over to #lubuntu-offtopic <IAmNotThatGuy> lol phillw Not like that. Lets think more * phillw changed the topic of #lubuntu to: Lubuntu project channel. Help and Documentation at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu Launchpad page at https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop. . || Please note, public logs of this channel are available on irclogs.ubuntu.com || Use of this channel implies acceptance of the terms at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService || For Offtopic talks, use #lubuntu-offtopic <IAmNotThatGuy> Then what happened to my client O_O * phillw changed the topic of #lubuntu to: Lubuntu project channel. Help and Documentation at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu Launchpad page at https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop. . || Please note, public logs of this channel are available on irclogs.ubuntu.com || Use of this channel implies acceptance of the terms at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService || For general chat, please use #lubuntu-offtopic <phillw> how's that look? <IAmNotThatGuy> Cool :) <IAmNotThatGuy> ALL OF YOU. Look at the topic....! we have an offtopic channel from now <Mohan_chml> friTTe^: saw the topic? <friTTe^> yeah <friTTe^> new channel and stuff <manfredrasta> hi all <manfredrasta> is there anybody here? <manfredrasta> I'll need some support <manfredrasta> nothingspecial, hi! do you remember me? We were trying to connect my klaptop to the wifi <manfredrasta> mmmmmmm <kosaidpo> hello <manfredrasta> hi <kosaidpo> whts good <manfredrasta> sorry? <kosaidpo> m lubuntu is bein so slow lately idk why <manfredrasta> what is idk? <kosaidpo> i dont kno -idk <kosaidpo> idont kno = idk <kosaidpo> sorry tho <manfredrasta> cant understand you. Anyway I'm sure I couldn't help you <manfredrasta> im really noob <manfredrasta> KukuNut, are oyu here? <KukuNut> what's up? <manfredrasta> hi <manfredrasta> I'll need some support <manfredrasta> could you helpo me? <manfredrasta> KukuNut, I cant connect to my wifi line <KukuNut> was it working
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