#lubuntu 2010-12-01 <mdg2> hello! <mdg2> In Lubuntu, I had to modprobe a sound card in an old, old laptop to get it work. What do I need to do make sound config permanent? What files and where? Any help greatly appreciated :) <phillw> mdg2: I'd love to help, but it is not an area I'm familiar with :( <mdg2> phillw: thanks for replying :) <mdg2> phillw: how long you been using lubuntu? <phillw> mdg2: since 10.04, but everything works 'out of the box' for me. <mdg2> phillw: I'm guessing not so many people are using it on much older boxes? <phillw> mdg2: you can try the mailing list, I'm sure one of the guys will have an answer. <phillw> mdg2: oh, believe you me, they are doing so :) <mdg2> phillw: okay. I will. What things do you like about lubuntu? <phillw> mdg2: everything, it's a low resource desktop system that is completely up to date yet uses little resources. <mdg2> I have a sister version of lubuntu on a 1 GHz desktop (only problem for the user has been remembering how to change wallpaper, but that's now old hat for that person). <phillw> mdg2: you have an invite for offtopic <mdg2> phillw: I'm trying to help a new friend setup his lappy with sister version and havingt a terrible time with the sound card. <mdg2> oh <mdg2> okay... <head_victim> mdg2: hang on I'll get a link for you <head_victim> mdg2: you just need to add whatever module it is called into the /etc/modules file <mdg2> head_victim: thanks <head_victim> mdg2: no worries, I was going to give you a link to instructions but then it turned out easier than I remembered it. <mdg2> head_victim: been confused what all I need to do - found info I needed to make a file in /ect/modprobe.d - so confused :) <head_victim> Ah nah I'd just add it to the /etc/modules so much easier <mdg2> head_victim: just the module name or more info than that? <head_victim> Should just be the module name <mdg2> head_victim: the person I am helping with this must be doing other stuff to his lappy <head_victim> Oh, why's that? <mdg2> he says sometimes sound works and sometimes it doesn't <head_victim> That is odd, if it's old there is always the possibility of hardware issues. If it needs to be probed semi-regularly to make it work I'd suggest just setting up a panel application that will modprobe the required module when clicked. <mdg2> head_victim: sounds hard <head_victim> Nah not really. <head_victim> I have to go though, I'm meant to be painting <mdg2> head_victim: you mean like a script? <head_victim> Yeah you should be able to add an icon that when clicked runs your modprobe so it's at least easier. But that's only if it needs to be done regularly. Weird that it's intermittant. <mdg2> head_victim: that's like the *.desktop thing with a script like "sudo modprobe ...." <head_victim> I think so, I'd help more but my Lubuntu PC is in pieces so hard to test out for you but I'm sure someone here could help or you could try the mailing list. But like I said, try the /etc/modules first and if it's still causing problems and needs to be done regularly then look into that. <mdg2> head_victim: will do! Thanks for the great help - I feel much more assured now. <leszek> hi <bioterror> hi <leszek> oh I noticed that its a sin to activate shared paging in vbox, uses 100% cpu power and pc becomes unusable xD * ChanServ changed the topic of #lubuntu to: The topic for #lubuntu is: There is a meeting in this room at 17:00GMT 1st December || 10.10 for Lubuntu has been released, please use the torrent at http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-10.10.iso.torrent. Documentation can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu * ChanServ changed the topic of #lubuntu to: ChanServ has changed the topic to: The topic for #lubuntu is: There is a meeting in this room on December 1st at 17:00 UTC (http://timeanddate.com/s/1wt5)|| 10.10 for Lubuntu has been released, please use the torrent at http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-10.10.iso.torrent. Documentation can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu * ChanServ changed the topic of #lubuntu to: The topic for #lubuntu is: There is a meeting in this room on December 1st at 17:00 UTC (http://timeanddate.com/s/1wt5)|| 10.10 for Lubuntu has been released, please use the torrent at http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-10.10.iso.torrent. Documentation can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu <phillw> gilir: hiyas boss :) <gilir> hi phillw :) <gilir> everyone ready for the meeting ? :) <gilir> ok, let's begin it :) <gilir> #startmeeting <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Dec 1 17:05:15 2010 UTC. The chair is gilir. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell. <meetingology> Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting. <gilir> hi everyone <subdee> hello <gilir> welcome to the 1st project meeting for Lubuntu :) <phillw> hiyas <gilir> you can find the agenda on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Meetings/20101201 <Wiebelhaus> Hello <gilir> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Meetings/20101201 <gilir> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Meetings/20101201 <gilir> please say hello to appear in the logs :) <phillw> hello <subdee> hello <gilir> ok so this meeting is mostly to discuss applications by default on Lubuntu <gilir> we already have discussion on the mailing list, but you can add comments about the differents item here <gilir> we have some items on the agenda, we will discuss each on them <subdee> are we discussing them in order of appearance in the agenda list? <gilir> if you want to add another one, we can do it after all the items <gilir> subdee, yes <gilir> ok let's start <gilir> [TOPIC] Archiver : File-roller over Xarchiver * meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu to: Archiver : File-roller over Xarchiver <meetingology> TOPIC: Archiver : File-roller over Xarchiver <gilir> 1st item is the archiver <gilir> I propose to replace the current one (xarchiver) by file-roller, the one in Ubuntu <gilir> feedbacks are good about this on the mailing answers <phillw> it makes sense to use one from the repos that has support. <gilir> and since it's used on Ubuntu, we should have a good support from other Ubuntu team <gilir> and less works for us :) <gilir> phillw, yes, it's the main argument for the switch <phillw> less work for such a small team can only be an advantage, plus it allows other teams to support lubuntu more easily. <gilir> if no ones have concern about it, let's do switch :) <gilir> phillw, yes, it's about support, but also about testing <gilir> but it applies for other items than the archiver :) <phillw> as I see it, it is a win - win situation for lubuntu if we switch, the development, testing and support <gilir> I think it's ok, for this item <gilir> [ACTION] Set archiver to file-roller in lubuntu seed and default handler for archive in lubuntu-default-settings <meetingology> ACTION: Set archiver to file-roller in lubuntu seed and default handler for archive in lubuntu-default-settings <gilir> [TOPIC] Remove Cheese * meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu to: Remove Cheese <meetingology> TOPIC: Remove Cheese <gilir> there is 2 reasons behind the proposal of removing cheese <gilir> 1. the new version will require clutter, which is not "lightweight friendly" <gilir> 2. I don't think it's really essential on a default installation <gilir> for me the reason 1. is enough to remove it <gilir> on mailing, most of people doesn't use really cheese <phillw> Agreed, if someone has webcam, cam etc; they can always add it from the repos. I'll add a note to the wiki area for those wishing such functionallity. <subdee> is there an alternative? <gilir> the only problem I can see if the lose of the ability to test the webcam <gilir> subdee, someone mention guvcview on the mailing list <subdee> for a typical desktop user, taking photos and videos instantly from his webcam is a nice feature <phillw> gilir: I can easily add a section to the wiki about webcam support. <gilir> guvcview is in the repo, so we can at least test it to see if it's good enough for the purpose of testing <Wiebelhaus> Also VLC can do it. <gilir> phillw, yes, but it's quite usefull to have a test for webcam directly in the live-cd :) <gilir> Wiebelhaus, yes, but we can't add vlc just for testing the webcam :) <gilir> IMO, it's a small use-case <Wiebelhaus> Yar , Was responding to subdee but didn't name him , my bad. <phillw> gilir: has anyone tried out guvcview? <Wiebelhaus> @phillw , Yes It's great. <meetingology> Wiebelhaus: Error: "phillw" is not a valid command. <gilir> phillw, I don't think so, it was just mentionned on the mailing list <phillw> gilir: maybe worth investigating a little further, to see what resources it uses. <gilir> Wiebelhaus, is it just a test for the webcam, or do you have some options ? <Wiebelhaus> No options , I'd say let them pull it from repos if they need it. <gilir> ok, so we can ask for testing on the mailing list, and add it to the seed later <gilir> it's not critical, so we can wait a bit more on this item :) <subdee> ok <gilir> [ACTION] Remove cheese from the lubuntu seed <meetingology> ACTION: Remove cheese from the lubuntu seed <gilir> [ACTION] Call for testing for guvcview on the mailing list <meetingology> ACTION: Call for testing for guvcview on the mailing list <gilir> I think it's ok on this one too, let's go the next item <gilir> [TOPIC] Display-manager : LightDM over LXDM * meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu to: Display-manager : LightDM over LXDM <meetingology> TOPIC: Display-manager : LightDM over LXDM <gilir> It's a bit similar to the archiver choise <gilir> LightDM will probably be the next display manager for Ubuntu (planned for 11.10) <phillw> gilir: is it as low on resource usage as LXDM? <gilir> we can share some work by moving to this <gilir> phillw, it's similair when I tested it <gilir> it's/it was <gilir> the main problem is that it's currently not ready <gilir> as it's targed for 11.10, the priority is not on this <gilir> for the Ubuntu teams <phillw> it gets my vote, then. any thing that works and reduces the workload on you people is good for me. We can always stay with LXDM for 11.04 and re-visit it in 11.10 if you prefer. <subdee> agreed <gilir> phillw, yes <gilir> there is still some work to do to make it useable <gilir> but when it will be finished, I think we can at least test it on some alpha release <gilir> release/releases <gilir> I already plan to maintain LXDM, so we have a backup <phillw> gilir: maybe plan it for 11.10 as ubuntu are going to do. That makes absolute sense to me to try it in the alphas of 11.10 <gilir> phillw, of course yes :) <gilir> but I really would like to switch earlier, because maintaining a display manager is not really easy <phillw> gilir: are you confident you can have it running for 11.04? I'm only thinking of the time you will have to spend on it. <gilir> that's why I propose to test the switch for this release <gilir> phillw, fortunatly, I'm not alone on this :) <phillw> gilir: let's go for it, you have a backup plan (I love Plan 'B's) :D <phillw> if it is still having issues when we approach beta, we can switch back to LXDM? <gilir> ok, so let's go to this plan <gilir> phillw, yes, LXDM is more or less ready now <gilir> LXDM doesn't require a lot of works now <phillw> that's totally okay with me, my only concern was additional workload on you, but as you have stated it is not just you - let's give a workout :) <gilir> also, there was no real objections on the mailing, just the same concerns than mine from pcman <gilir> [ACTION] Set LightDM to the Lubuntu seed when it's available in Natty and majors bugs are solved <meetingology> ACTION: Set LightDM to the Lubuntu seed when it's available in Natty and majors bugs are solved <gilir> ok, next topic <gilir> [TOPIC] Control Center * meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu to: Control Center <meetingology> TOPIC: Control Center <gilir> Following the disucssion on the mailing, we have 4 choices <gilir> 1. Do nothing <gilir> 2. Include pcmanfm control center <gilir> 3. Include lubuntu-control-center <gilir> 4. Include tuquito control-center <subdee> tuquito looked nice but haven't used it tbh <gilir> IMO, since 2. exist, and people requests a control center, 1. is a No <phillw> I'd prefer to discount 1. which then leaves the choice of which we are going to use <phillw> how is pcmanfm control center coming along? <gilir> phillw, it's already working <gilir> the only modification to do is to add it to the main menu <phillw> as we use pcmanfm, maybe that would be the logical choice? <gilir> phillw, IMO, it's a minimal choice <subdee> according to this blog, tuquito is pretty light http://lubuntublog.blogspot.com/2010/11/tuquito-control-center.html <gilir> it's just pcmanfm launched with icons :) <phillw> gilir: we are not going to get much lighter on resources and RAM than that, are we? <gilir> subdee, tuquido have several advantages : it's dynamic and modular <gilir> it automaticly hides and shows available applications in an organized way <gilir> phillw, no, because we use something already running <gilir> it's just free :) <gilir> subdee, but the bad points : we need to upload to the Ubuntu repo, to maintain it there, and it problably need more tweaking (like on the theme) <gilir> I also really like this control-center :) But it needs some work to make it work properly in Lubuntu <gilir> in short term, we can add pcmanfm as a control-center, and keep a eye on tuquito (maybe work a bit on it if we have time and motivation :)) <gilir> if we think it's good enough during the cycle, we can put it in later <gilir> we can do the same for lubuntu-control-center <gilir> ok, nobody seems against this :) <phillw> gilir: again, it is something that be scottashley@example.org, if pcmanfm control center is working now, I'd go with that for the 11.04 cycle. <gilir> at least, I will add pcmanfm as a control-center, l-c-c or tuquido are now ready, so we can wait more <gilir> now ready / not ready <gilir> phillw, yes, we can discuss this again in the next release, like any part of the seed :) <phillw> get's my vote :) <gilir> [ACTION] Add pcmanfm "control-center" to the menu <meetingology> ACTION: Add pcmanfm "control-center" to the menu <gilir> ok, now the big one :) <gilir> [TOPIC] Music player * meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu to: Music player <meetingology> TOPIC: Music player <gilir> the problem for this one, is that no proposed candidate is really better than the others <bioterror> I think we should stick with the audacious? <phillw> +1 from your last email, gilir <gilir> bioterror, according to my review, yes <gilir> [LINK] https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg02886.html <phillw> it will keep rafael off the streets mugging grandmothers if he has to design a new skin :P <gilir> I was not sure about the better candidate, so I spend some time to evaluate 3 candidate : aqualung (actual) deadbeef and audacious <gilir> phillw, yes, having the possibility to use "winamp type" skins will be esaier for him I think :) <bioterror> maybe deadbeef shall see 11.10 <gilir> bioterror, I don't want to disucuss this topic for each release :) <bioterror> for me music is everyday thing <phillw> as Audacious seems better at handling large music libraries, and some of us do have large music libraries, as the RAM and CPU is similar - along with skinning I do think Audacious edges it. <bioterror> and I bet for many other it is too <gilir> of course, if there are improvements, we can still review it again <gilir> bioterror, yes :) <bioterror> (i've solved my problem with MOC ;) <phillw> I don't think deadbeef is quite ready yet, although it does show a lot of promise. <bioterror> should the player be mainted? like in a real repository? not ppa <gilir> phillw, the package is more or less ready, so I can at least upload it to Ubuntu, so people have the choice <gilir> bioterror, ^^ <gilir> also a good point for me, audacious is well maintained by other people :) <phillw> for the reasons I gave above, I think Audacious does edge it as the lead contender. If it is also well maintained that is another plus for choosing it. <gilir> I also didn't have objections on my review <gilir> so, we can consider it as a go :) <phillw> +1 from me <gilir> [ACTION] Replace aqualung with audacious and audacious-plugins in lubuntu seed and default applications <meetingology> ACTION: Replace aqualung with audacious and audacious-plugins in lubuntu seed and default applications <gilir> ok I finished my items <bioterror> +1 for audacious, it has almost same interface as deadbeef <gilir> [TOPIC] 10.04.1 (two bugs) * meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu to: 10.04.1 (two bugs) <meetingology> TOPIC: 10.04.1 (two bugs) <gilir> phillw, ^^ :) <phillw> gilir: I know you've been real busy, but do you have a realistic time scale for 10.10.1 (sorry I got the issue version wrong)? <gilir> phillw, yes :) <phillw> gilir: I don't suppose you'd like to share it? :D <gilir> I would like to test the fix I made for the os-prober issue with the natty alpha 1 <gilir> if it's good, we can start to work on the 10.10.1 <gilir> I have in fact 4 bugs that I want to fix in 10.10.1 <phillw> okies, it's just we were running on "a couple of weeks after UDS-N" <gilir> phillw, yes, sorry one of the fix was a bit too long <phillw> sounds like a nice point fix release, then :) * gilir is searching the list of bugs <phillw> It is only so I can let others know. <gilir> 1. os-prober issue : https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/665530 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 665530 in lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "[lubuntu 10.10] grub2 cannot detect Windows 7" [Undecided,In progress] <phillw> there are two re-occuring ones on the release notes. <gilir> this one need a test with natty alpha 1 <gilir> 2. wrong pdf viewer : https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/657335 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 657335 in lubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu Maverick) "Wrong pdf viewer set by default on Lubuntu settings" [Undecided,Fix committed] <gilir> already fixed in natty <gilir> 3. support for samba etc ... https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/675212 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 675212 in lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu Maverick) "Add gvfs-backends to lubuntu-desktop" [Undecided,Confirmed] <gilir> easy to fix, should be fix shortly in natty <gilir> 4. lxdm not able to run with encrypted home : https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxdm/+bug/554583 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 554583 in lxdm (Ubuntu) "lubuntu cannot start programs if home-folder encryption is active" [Medium,Fix released] <gilir> this one need an additional fix, but it should be ok on natty shortly also <phillw> gilir 1 and 3 are the ones that create the most 'chatter' on support. <gilir> except the os-prober fix, all is ready <phillw> great :) <gilir> phillw, yes :-/ but 4 is also critical, because 10.04 works with encryted home <phillw> quite so, and it will bork someone's system <gilir> yes :( <gilir> phillw, do you want to add anything else ? <phillw> nope, all done. Thanks for the update. <gilir> [TOPIC] New Wiki Area * meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu to: New Wiki Area <meetingology> TOPIC: New Wiki Area <gilir> phillw, ^^ this one is for you also :) <phillw> As part of the switch over to 'standard' wiki "rules" several of us are in the process of transferring over the support documentation to where it "should" live. We're just awaiting clearance on another page before we do do the mass transfer <phillw> Auto re-drirects will be set up from the existing area, we are not being idle but really do not want have to this excercise twice :) <phillw> *to do this* <phillw> there is also some discussions going on about accessibillity on the format, so things are little confused at the moment. <gilir> phillw, on which page there is a problem for the tranfer ? <phillw> gilir: there is no problem, Jared (head_victim) had the 1st page approved, he has now done a 2nd one; we are just awaiting confirmation that the formatting is okay as when we transfer the pages over we have to manually reformat each one. We'd rather only have to do that once :) <gilir> phillw, ok :) <gilir> just keep us inform when you do the big move :) <phillw> gilir: I chose the most picky person to validate them, if they pass him, they will pass any inspection :D <gilir> great :) <phillw> gilir: once they're all transferred, we will simply set up auto diverts from the exisiting area, so any one who has bookmarked stuff will be taken straight over to the new area. <phillw> I know that was a concern, but it can be done. <gilir> phillw, it's important that it can be done, it's annoying to bookmark a documentation and loose it when the location change <phillw> I've seen it in action, it works perfectly. <gilir> I think I also see it on some of my old bookmark on some ubuntu wiki pages :) <phillw> it is another reason why we are not rushing things. It really is a massive undertaking and we want to get it right first time :) <gilir> phillw, so only documentation and stuff about developement and coordination for the project will stay on wiki.ubuntu.com ? <phillw> yes, the support stuff moves over to the new area, with diverts from the existing area. <phillw> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu <gilir> ok :) <gilir> phillw, anything to add ? <phillw> My list of thank you's for this will be a long one :) <phillw> that's me done :D <gilir> [TOPIC] Other topics * meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu to: Other topics <meetingology> TOPIC: Other topics <phillw> date time of next meeting? <gilir> anyone have anything to add ? <gilir> next project meeting is on December, 19 <phillw> meeting room is free all day, pick a time :D <gilir> and on December, 10, there is the first Bug day <gilir> phillw, we just need to set a time for this :) <phillw> only 16:00-17:00 UTC booked on that day. <gilir> phillw, last time we done it on 15 UTC <gilir> I'll propose it on the mailing list <phillw> for bug day, or project? Yeah, if you can. then just head over to http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar and get the room booked. (Saves me getting nagged) <gilir> [ACTION] Propose a time for the next project meeting <meetingology> ACTION: Propose a time for the next project meeting <gilir> phillw, only the project meeting, bug day will be special :) <gilir> I don't think there will be a real meeting, just a 24h support and help on the chan for bug reports :) <phillw> gilir: bug day is lubuntu specific, so holding it on here is okay. But it has been 'hinted' that our project meetings be help on the meeting room :P <phillw> /help/held <gilir> phillw, it's ok for next project meeting :) <gilir> Anything else ? <phillw> you can book 2 hours if you wish. <EG_linux> hey lads! :D <gilir> I hope it will be shorter :) <phillw> it should be, we've got the apps out of the way :) * phillw proposes #endmeeting <EG_linux> i've just started to use lubuntu! :) and i wonder, can i access shared network files that i have shared out on my windooze machine? :) <gilir> #endmeeting * meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu to: The topic for #lubuntu is: There is a meeting in this room on December 1st at 17:00 UTC (http://timeanddate.com/s/1wt5)|| 10.10 for Lubuntu has been released, please use the torrent at http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-10.10.iso.torrent. Documentation can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Dec 1 18:52:48 2010 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) <meetingology> Minutes: http://mootbot.libertus.co.uk/lubuntu/2010/lubuntu.2010-12-01-17.05.moin.txt <gilir> oops I forget ... <phillw> EG_linux: yeas you can, it was something that fell off the lubuntu iso, give me one moment. <gilir> thanks everyone for this meeting :) <phillw> EG_linux: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseNotes/MaverickMeerkat/#Network%20File%20Browsing%20with%20PCManFM <phillw> gilir: thank you for your time, I know you are really busy and it is good of you to take time out and let us all know where the project is heading. <EG_linux> oh btw. if you want to geek around and have a random shit chatter channel you can visit my channel here on freenode :) if you want. the name is #electricguy. have live stream, speechbot and stuff too :) so you know, just in case you are bored sometime :) <EG_linux> tnx phillw gonna check that link! :) <gilir> phillw, it's important to have regular meetings :) <phillw> it's been a while since the last one :P <gilir> thanks the bot, the logs / summary /details of teh meeting is already done ! <phillw> gilir: that's what it is here for :) <phillw> gilir: AlanBell: is one of those other 'very nice' people :) <gilir> AlanBell, this bot is just great, thanks a lot :) <Newk> hi.. since an update of linux kernel i can not start X. it states "no screens found" did more people suffered from this? can i fix this without reinstalling all of Lubuntu again? <Wiebelhaus> xorg.conf is shot , you can remove it via cli or safe start and reconfig. <Wiebelhaus> /etc/X11/xorg.conf <Newk> i think i looked there and there was no xorg.conf <Newk> how to reconfig? <Wiebelhaus> Choose from grub recovery and you'll have options to reconfigure X <Newk> failsafeX ? <Wiebelhaus> yessir <Newk> i did without succes <EG_linux> ok, thakns for the little help guys and gals! :) might visit you some other time in the future! see ya all! :) <EG_linux> thanks* <Newk> i have to say that i used some nvidia hack that enabled GLX again for my Geforce4 <Wiebelhaus> Did you use some third party GUI to install nv drivers? <Newk> i tried reinstalling xorg drivers from aptitude.. it did not seem to help <Wiebelhaus> If so , Reinstall , There's no telling what happened. <Newk> i did used some command line procedure to install a hacked driver i think... <Newk> oh bummer to reinstall all of lubuntu... can anyone confirm that there is now hardware acceleration for legacy (geforce4) nvidia in propriarity drivers? <Newk> (i think i misspelled that) <Newk> otherwise i wont install 10.10 but 10.04 again <phillw> Newk: you'd be better checking on http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=334 If it has been dropped, stay with 10.04, as the team have promised to support 10.04 beta as if it were an LTS <Wiebelhaus> Yep , But in any case always use driver jockey to obtain your drivers <Wiebelhaus> Lubuntu Preferences>Additional Drivers <Newk> okay thanx Wiebelhaus and phillw !! <Wiebelhaus> No worries. * ChanServ changed the topic of #lubuntu to: There is a Hug a Bug day, all day on 10th December for lubuntu|| 10.10 for Lubuntu has been released, please use the torrent at http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-10.10.iso.torrent. Documentation can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu * ChanServ changed the topic of #lubuntu to: 10.10 for Lubuntu has been released, please use the torrent at http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-10.10.iso.torrent. Documentation can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu || There is a Hug a Bug day, all day on 10 th December for Lubuntu, bring along your bugs :) <kaemo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10187178#post10187178 #lubuntu 2010-12-02 <leszek> hi <formula78> how i can make menu and windows icons bigger??? <bioterror> formula78, which icons? <bioterror> X _ - ? <bioterror> - + X <formula78> menu icons <formula78> and how i can install the control-center <formula78> ??? <frankbooth> you can find your menu icons inside /usr/share/applications <frankbooth> not sure if there's a gui tool like in gnome <formula78_> frankbooth <frankbooth> yes? <formula78_> i didn't see your message! <frankbooth> [17:04:16] <frankbooth> you can find your menu icons inside /usr/share/applications <frankbooth> [17:04:45] <frankbooth> not sure if there's a gui tool like in gnome <formula78_> OK <formula78_> frankbooth <formula78_> but i only want to see a bit bigger the icons in the menu <formula78_> in xfce, it's possible <formula78_> throw the terminal <formula78_> and it's fantastic <formula78_> pardon, THROUGH THE TERMINAL <frankbooth> sorry for misunderstanding your question <frankbooth> i'm not sure how to make them bigger, never done it before <formula78_> thanks frankbooth <cyclist_2> Hello, there! has anyone here had any luck installing the plugin from GMail to add audio/video capabilities to the chat? I managed to succeed on my main machine running Ubuntu 10,04, but have failed consistently on the Lubuntu 10.04 machine so far; I neither get a visual progress of the installation with the usual confirmation afterwards nor do I get any error messages; I check the system and the damned plugin just will n <bioterror> gmail and chat? what? <bioterror> pidgin plugin? <cyclist_2> bioterror: no; GMail offer a messaging service from their own page but for audio/video chats we are required to install a plugin <bioterror> okay <cyclist_2> bioterror: it is done through the default web browser [Firefox, in my case on both machines]; on my Ubuntu machine, the plugin shows amongst the installed ones, but on the Lubuntu machine it does not show; it simply will not install there nor give me any indication as to why it cannot do it <bioterror> you're using google services <bioterror> why not google browser? <cyclist_2> bioterror: the plugin in downloaded to our PCs as a .deb file to be installed manually; I believe that both instances of Firefox are pretty much similarly configured; so why it installs in one and not in the other is my current 'mystery'... <cyclist_2> bioterror: you mean, Google Chrome? I could try that, but it is installed on Firefox on my Ubuntu machine, so I suspect the browser not to be the culprit in this case...; besides, according to Google/GMail, Firefox 2.0+ is compatible with the service [needless to say that the versions of Firefox on both machines are identical] <bioterror> did you install that deb with dpkg -i file? <cyclist_2> no, I used the GUI <bioterror> I would try with chromium <bioterror> as it's default browser in lubuntu too <bioterror> but there should be no difference between vanilla ubuntu and lubuntu what comes to firefox <bioterror> only if you're using ubuntu 10.04 and lubuntu 10.10 or vice versa <cyclist_2> bioterror: yes, it occurred to me, but the internet conection was so slow that I chose to leave it as it was and 'fight another day' [I uninstalled Chromium at the time I installed Firefox on the Lubuntu machine...] <cyclist_2> bioterror: no, the version is 10.04 in both machines <bioterror> I really cannot debug this for you as I havent sold my soul to G <cyclist_2> bioterror: strangely, I would prefer to receive an error message but not to have it proceed quietly and close as if nothing had happened... <cyclist_2> bioterror: I know what you mean; in fact, this functionality is for someone I know; I use Pidgin, myself <bioterror> but I gotta go put kids to bath and stuff like that <bioterror> laters <cyclist_2> bioterror: ok; I will try reinstalling Chromium and/or install the plugin via the CLI to see if [at least] I get some error message <cyclist_2> bioterror: ok; see you next time; o/ <ubuXubu> lubunters unite!!! * ubuXubu stands behind the mighty team of Technicians... <UndiFineD> <zwartetoorts> Is het al iemand opgevallen dat de klok in lxde 1 minuut achter loopt? Tenminste da's bij mijn met debian unstable lxde..... <- time lags 1 minute with lxde ? <UndiFineD> time lags 1 minute with lxde ? <- can anyone confirm ? <pilojo66> hey guys... any idea how to download the usb version from http://lubuntu.net? <bioterror> what <bioterror> grab the 10.10 iso and use unetbootin <pilojo66> i dont want to kill windows though.. i want it to run from my usb stick <bioterror> my laptop is dual booting :/ <pilojo66> i want it to run from my usb... not dualboot <bioterror> !persistent <bioterror> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent * pilojo66 is vety persistant <Newk> hi all and phillw <bioterror> hi <Newk> i try to use nvidia original drivers but it seems glx is not working * phillw why am I not all anymore :'( I'm just a lubuntueer. <Newk> i did set it with jockey.. but cannot configure with nvidia x driver settings <bioterror> Newk, remember to use nvidia-config or what was it <Newk> heh, phillw, its just that you helped out a bit the other day <Newk> yes i did use nvidia-settings <Newk> but it states that its not in use. <Newk> let me phrase.. <bioterror> do you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf? <Newk> well.. if that one is there ... x wont start <Newk> "You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server." <Newk> i did that and it makes a xorg.conf... and then X wont start untill i rename or delete it <bioterror> well <bioterror> you should start X from the TTY to debug the error <Newk> no log somewhere? <bioterror> /var/log/Xorg.0.log <Newk> ok here it is: http://pastebin.com/WE36Wqfe <Newk> took me some time to figure out how to paste it from terminal <Newk> it ends without stating further errors.. was it still busy and i cut it off? #lubuntu 2010-12-03 <Newk> ah well.. gonna try again tomorrow.. have a nice day! * ChanServ changed the topic of #lubuntu to: Lubuntu 10.10 has been released || Please use the Bit-Torrent to download at http://j.mp/lu-10-10 || Documentation can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu || There is a Hug a Bug day, all day on 10th December for Lubuntu, bring along your bugs :) <rob0917> what changes are expected in lubuntu 11.04 ? <johnn> Hello everyone, i have a problem. In Ubuntu i can just open a folder and enter the location "ssh://something" to go there. In Lubuntu, when i do the same thing, i get the error "the specified location is not supported". What is going on? <subdee> johnn: PCManFM, which is the default file manager for Lubuntu does not support ssh. You can either install Nautilus which is the file manager in Ubuntu, or find an SSH client, or use sshfs to mount a remote folder <johnn> thank you subdee, it's just that i kind of remember it working in a previous version, but i guess not :) <gilir> natty alpha 1 available <gilir> please use the torrent : http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-natty-alpha1.iso.torrent :) <phillw> gilir: I'm grabbing it now., unless bioterror can grab it more quickly and put it onto my server area. <UndiFineD> I am seding as well, at 235% now <rob0917> how do I make the clock show in 12 hour mode <AndrewMC> UndiFineD: torrent link... ill see as well <UndiFineD> <gilir> please use the torrent : http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-natty-alpha1.iso.torrent :) <UndiFineD> > 300% now :D <GaryD> Excuse me...I noticed that on my machine with lubuntu on it the wine menu shows up as wine in the menu...but on a fresh install of lubuntu with wine on a friend's, the wine software shows up under other in the menu. What extra package could have been installed to my machine that would let the menu read the wine menu and not put wine under other? <GaryD> Maybe it is a lib or something? <phillw> GaryD: it is most likely the way the menu structure is set out, you *can* manually edit it, but it's quite involved and, to be honest, not really worth it unless you see it as a MAJOR issue. <phillw> GaryD: I can raise it on the mailing list so the devs are aware of it, else you can do so via https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved in which case you will get a direct answer from one the team. <GaryD> Thanks...it kind of is major, but not too major...the thing is, my friend is a little "out there" and I know that it will end up confusing her. I have never edited the menu manually on my machine, I noticed this same issue with 10.04, and I thought it had just been fixed with 10.10 when I noticed it on my mach. That is why I asked, because I noticed hers was different. <GaryD> OK...thanks for that! #lubuntu 2010-12-04 <sevfen> any1 an arch linux and lubuntu user? I'm wondering which will boot faster and feel most responsive for a netbook. <sevfen> arch with lxde that is <stlsaint> sevfen: is this in regards to what you were talking about in #crunchbang <sevfen> @stlsaint yes it is <meetingology> sevfen: Error: "stlsaint" is not a valid command. <bioterror> haha <bioterror> gsus <bioterror> life is so hectic that 2 seconds faster boot time matters <hyperair> it's hard to care about 2 seconds when your system takes 2 minutes to boot. <hyperair> well that's the situation for me, at least <hyperair> so i never shutdown. <hyperair> 2 seconds less for resuming for suspend would be good, (it currently takes 2 seconds to resume) <bioterror> my dell d420 resumes instantly <hyperair> heh <bioterror> i like it <bioterror> but blank plymouth sucks <bioterror> i rather watch inits <bioterror> like in the 90s <hyperair> lol <hyperair> get a nice plymouth theme that spams shit <bioterror> :D <bioterror> why not just remove and init? <hyperair> because plymouth is irreversibly glued to init <hyperair> at least in ubuntu <hyperair> they really coupled it tightly together <hyperair> the server guys were not very happy <bioterror> haha <bioterror> i can imagine <pip_> I see the 11.04 alpha 1 is about, or have I got that wrong? If it is where can I get it from please? <bioterror> it was mentioned on mailing list <bioterror> i made do-release-upgrade -d <pip_> ahhhhhh, I was hoping for an iso to dual boot if I'm honest. I never even thought of doing an upgrade <pip_> thanks bioterror <bioterror> im on phone <bioterror> so im not going to dig that for ya <bioterror> but i can aftwr a while <pip_> no probs <pip_> oh okay thanks <bioterror> Torrent: <bioterror> http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-natty-alpha1.iso.torrent <bioterror> Download: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-natty-alpha1.iso <bioterror> Md5: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/md5sum.txt <bioterror> i had nothing better to do <pip_> thats fantastic, thanks very much bioterror I appreciate it :-) <nicofs2> how do i persistently change my screen resolution using xorg.conf? i don't understand "man xorg.conf" or the tutorials i found... <bioterror> uno momento <bioterror> i need computer <bioterror> nico, trying to get my daughter to sleep <bioterror> wont take long :D <nicofs2> np - i appreciate any help... <bioterror> whats your desired resolution? <nicofs2> 1280*720 <nicofs2> a friend of mine made it work - but as soon as i restart, it will be gone again. so i need to make it persistent via xorg.conf... <bioterror> have you configured xorg.conf already? <nicofs2> and i don't have the slightest idea how to do that... <nicofs2> afaik not <bioterror> go to tty <bioterror> ctrl+alt+f1 <bioterror> log in <bioterror> sudo service lxdm stop <bioterror> sudo Xorg -configure <bioterror> sudo mv xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf <bioterror> sudo lxdm start <bioterror> ctrl+alt+f7 <nicofs2> i better copy that to paper then... ;-) <bioterror> sudo service lxdm start <bioterror> i ment <nicofs2> thanks... will try that in a moment... <bioterror> okay <bioterror> we need to tweak that then <bioterror> when youre back in graphics <nicofs2> ok... hang on... <basso> hows it going to canonicalization? :D <bioterror> hi <bioterror> you were fast <nicofs2> well "xorg - command not found" <bioterror> Xorg <bioterror> case sensitive <nicofs2> case sensitive... i always fall for that... <nicofs2> ;-)... my bad... hang on... <nicofs2> ok... now it worked - i was sensitive enough^^ <bioterror> do we have a conf now? <nicofs2> yes we do <bioterror> !pastebin | nicofs2 <ubot5> nicofs2: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. <bioterror> pastebin xorg.conf for me <nicofs2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/539774/ <nicofs2> i'm quite slow today - i made the mistake of installing lubuntu in german... and i'm used to english - everything has a different name and is in a different place... *confusion* <bioterror> took a while, since I had to start computer <bioterror> hahaha <bioterror> I know that feeling <bioterror> I dont talk finnish with computers too <bioterror> just a moment <nicofs2> no problem... trying to get tv to work in the meantime... <bioterror> nicofs2, http://paste.ubuntu.com/539777/ <bioterror> try that out <nicofs2> need to reboot anyway... <bioterror> nicofs2, when you have modified your xorg.conf to look like that <bioterror> you can just sudo service lxdm restart <nicofs2> do you know a good (digital) tv software for LXDE? <nicofs2> just to watch dvb-t <pip_> b back later <bioterror> nicofs2, http://www.linuxdvb.tv/software/apps/ <bioterror> nicofs2, could you please confirm does it work <nicofs2> will reboot as soon as the installation it done... <bioterror> does it work? <nicofs2> yes, it does... <bioterror> you're welcome <nicofs2> thanks a lot, mate! <pip_> can anyone direct me to a download for 11.04 alpha1, I seem to have screwed up the burn & i've left the files on a box at my parent's place. MD5 would be useful too <bioterror> pip, check the logs from ubuntu site :D #lubuntu 2010-12-05 <gogeta> hey how i change my mouse prefs <gogeta> i wanna chnage from 3 finger right cleck to 2 fingle dubble tap <gogeta> 3 fingers of a ee touchpad isnt easy <MOP|Mini> How do I make my time not military time? <leszek> hi <bioterror> hi <bioterror> kids: if you encrypt your home folder, remember to take backups <UndiFineD> fail ?! <bioterror> UndiFineD, I'm best in failing :D <UndiFineD> backups are a good thing :) <bioterror> DONT YOU! <bioterror> as I said, I was doing backup :D <leszek> lxkeymap 0.3 commited to http://launchpad.net/lxkeymap . Gets a brand new interface which looks more like ubiquitys <gilir> leszek, great ! thank you :) <beverly> Lubuntu's ecryptfs support was unusable to my mother on a fresh install (no desktop icon, no launcher content that worked, had to use PCManFM to pull up LXTerminal and then use the terminal command) so I installed the updates. Now the keyboard and mouse are unresponsive in X11 unless I unplug and re-plug the mouse... which only gives me enough access to shut down or reboot... and I have no idea what it's doing, but recovery mode seems t <beverly> o get stuck doing something to the hard drive part-way through the boot process. Suggestions? <beverly> (It's a laptop, so I can't pull the keyboard and reconnect it) <UndiFineD> a lot of people are still getting alpha1 torrent from me <beverly> Whoops. <kosaidpo> hello guys <kosaidpo> i dont kno why icant join #php chanel <bioterror> !lubuntu | kosaidpo <ubot5`> kosaidpo: lubuntu is a project to create a derivative of Ubuntu using the LXDE desktop environment. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu . /join #lubuntu for lubuntu support. <zleap> hi <zleap> just done a clean install of 10.10 and i dont have any programs on what is the main menu <zleap> hi <zleap> hello <zleap> hi <phillw> hiyas zleap no programs? <zleap> yeah <zleap> new install <zleap> i need to create another user account that isn't sudo-root later <zleap> but for now just need a basic set of apps <phillw> zleap: the install will put on the standard apps, unless you did a minimal install using the core option. <zleap> it's ok not finished doing stuff yet <zleap> too about 5 mins to give me the encrypt home directory box <phillw> zleap: encrypted home directories and lubuntu are not 'playing' at the moment, be very careful. <zleap> oh ij <zleap> ok <zleap> will close that box then <phillw> it is a known bug, I'm not sure where they're up to with it. <zleap> ok <zleap> well it said either do it now, or if I say no i need to run it manually later <zleap> if it isn't working i can do it when its fixed or just leave it, it's not essential <phillw> zleap: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1632288 <zleap> thans <zleap> thanks <pip_> I assume an md5 should be the same for a torrent download as a direct download? <pip_> natty alpha1 that is...... <phillw> pip_: indeed :) <pip_> awwwww man................ <phillw> pip_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing has the notes that I just added today, they need expanding on. <phillw> But there should be enough on there to get people started. <pip_> I'll go have a look I've had an unproductive day with the alpha <zleap> blimy do the people creating osmo think people have bad eyesight <zleap> text is huge <pip_> I also think that cheap cds are the problem with the burn speed...... <phillw> pip_: oddly enough, a lot people find them better than the expensive ones. Burning iso's requires so much more precision than burning, say, music. I burn at 2X speed, it takes longer but saves me throwing cd's away :P <pip_> it's either the cds of my hardware, i dont seem able to burn anything at less than 8x. The speed got automatically whacked up to 8x on one burn last night. Stumped me a bit <pip_> so today i tried a dvd burned that at 4x & it failed the disc check......... <pip_> I've even done an upgrade & that won't boot <pip_> 10.10 to natty alph1 <phillw> I've had that, it's why I use cdRW's, that slows the critter down :P <pip_> h e a d b a t t e r e d !!! <pip_> :-) <phillw> pip_: It's very doubtful the upgrade path is even written yet, the a1 has only been out 2 days. <pip_> that explains that then haha <pip_> whats freakin me out is that 2 boxes aren't even registering that there's a cd in the drive. Straight to normal boot <phillw> pip_: do a manual check on the cd <phillw> if the cd will not md5, you're on a hiding to nothing. <pip_> they've both passed & the downloads were good. I'm proper freaked out <phillw> pip_: have you checked the BIOS? It's an easy one to miss the boot order (been there, got the 'T'-Shirt). <pip_> haha, oh yeah that was the first thing I checked <pip_> I think I'll have one more go & see what happens <phillw> pip_: the only other one is to get a lens cleaning cd. That can make the difference (I never leave home without one when doing support calls). <pip_> aha, I could try my other box for the burn........... <pip_> although the 1st disc I burned at my folks house............ <pip_> I'll even make sure I've got the BIOS set up right again.......... <phillw> the land of 'funnies' with cd's is a frustrating land. I've heard all sorts of weird and wonderful stories. One other thing you may want to try is use a different cd burning program, and I have no idea why that works for some when all else fails. <pip_> yeah, I stopped using brassero cos it seemed a bit odd now & then <phillw> pip_: yet I've never had a problem with it, it's just one of those weird things. <pip_> ok, i just checked the iso md5 in the terminal & it matched. Using k3b to burn the disc thats given me a way off md5 so i think the download is corrupt. <pip_> What're those links again? <pip_> it's okay got 'em <phillw> pip_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing <phillw> if the iso md5's okay, it is the cd burning that is the problem. <pip_> well, i cant really tell. The md5 from the terminal is correct, but the one from k3b isn't. It's usually on the money too so I'll try again <pip_> thnx for the link btw <pip_> i'm such a noob, the md5 in k3b is from the last iso i burned hahahaha <zleap> i can't get either gthumb or fspot working on lubuntu <pip_> nah man, thats stitched me up again. Time for some gaming I think <pip_> bbl #lubuntu 2010-12-06 <F3RR1S> if anyone has an "i945" graphics card and you have created an xorg.conf... I would really appreciate a pastebin <szczur> F3RR1S, http://www.osguides.net/operation-systems/217-how-to-create-xorgconf-in-ubuntu-910.html <Cullz> hi <szczur> but, replace gdm with lxdm in "sudo service gdm stop" line <szczur> hi Cullz <Cullz> just put lxde on standard ubuntu to show my dad <Cullz> having a few bugs <Cullz> one harmless thing is that firefox keeps flashing as needing attention down in the task bar, even when it's open :) <F3RR1S> szczur, thanks I have seen this but it is not a great help <F3RR1S> checking with the xorg channel <Cullz> also lxde battery monitor wont find my laptop battery. is there a way to add gnome based panel item applets into lxde? <szczur> Cullz, i'm afraid it's not possible <Mkaysi> Why download button directs to http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-10.10.iso and not to http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir ? <SwB_> Morning, just installed lubuntu but having problems connecting to the wireless network. I find the network alright, however, the network authentication windows pops-up only to disappear 0.1 seconds later not giving me time to enter the network-code. Anyone with any clue what it could be? Thanks! <bioterror> sounds weird <grizli> Hi, I have 10.10 and can't seem to find a switch user option and I really need it. <grizli> Is it even available? <bioterror> nope, not in lubuntu <bioterror> you have to logout :( <grizli> Well, I hope it'll be available in the next version. Otherwise I really like lubuntu. <bioterror> not in natty <bioterror> but yeah,
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