#ubuntu-au 2011-05-01 * gorilla needs more room on his media server :-/ <ikt> gorilla, how is it setup? raid 5 or lvm? <head_victim> Morning all <head_victim> Photos of a couple of the release parties are up at http://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntuau/pool/with/800.716.0984/ for anyone who is interested #ubuntu-au 2011-05-02 <gorilla> ikt: how is what setup? My media storage??? It's just one partition... I am considering getting a few "green" hard drives and create a raid volume from there. <ikt> heya brez :) <somethinginteres> FYI to anyone trying to install 11.04 on a netbook there seems to be a bug in the installer where the window doesn't resize to fit the screen so you can't see the install progress bar. <ikt> hmm' <ikt> that bug should have been fixed ages ago <somethinginteres> ikt: it was meant to have been fixed but it still presents in the final ISO. I added a comment to the bug report stating that <head_victim> somethinginteres: thanks for the write up, I should do one for the website as well but might just copy and paste from the mailing list one <somethinginteres> head_victim: no problem :) <head_victim> Documenting the efforts is half the battle. <head_victim> My ulterior motive for making sure it's all written up properly is it will make a reapproval bid easier if we have it all there already. <somethinginteres> head_victim: yeah that's it. When would they consider the case for re-approval? <head_victim> Whenever we're ready. <head_victim> I think if we have increased activity for this release cycle we should reapply <head_victim> It's more about sustaining then having one burst of activity. <somethinginteres> head_victim: I think so too. This is why I suggested in my "report" that it would be awesome to meet up more regularly than simply at release time. <head_victim> somethinginteres: by all means, look up "ubuntu hours" which is what I wanted to organise but my shiftwork kinda made it unfeasible for me personally. <head_victim> All it takes is someone to want to do it, publicise it and have others arrive :) #ubuntu-au 2011-05-03 <head_victim> Any rsync people here? I've noticed a few odd things with my rsync of the Ubuntu mirror (empty folders in weird places, etc). To correct this I was thinking of maybe adding a --delete flag to the options currently used. This would make the command rsync -vtlrh --progress --stats --delete source destination <head_victim> I just hate the concept of a --delete option in anything but I'm starting to think it's needed. <Octaron> should be safe to use rsync --delete have a look at this (scroll 2/5 of the way down) http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/09/rsync-command-examples/ <Octaron> that combined with gnome schedule gui for cron jobs makes a good partner :) <blahdeblah> head_victim: Adding --delete every now & then would be a good move, i think. <head_victim> blahdeblah & Oct<tab><tab>Ithinkehe'sgone cheers <blahdeblah> ?? <head_victim> For the confirmation of --delete * blahdeblah finally works it out <blahdeblah> I'm a bit slow today <head_victim> It's ok, I'm a bit slow most days. <head_victim> Ok --delete is actually deleting a bit, there must have been a mix up at some stage. <head_victim> I was wondering why it seemed a lot larger than before. <head_victim> Nice work, I'm seeing oneiric already coming up today <vigar> anyone around that can help a first time Ubuntu user? <head_victim> vigar: what sort of problem are you having <vigar> USB port on my laptop seemed to of failed, PC guy said this may be a windows issue and to try Linux <vigar> so im here running Ubuntu to see if i can connect to my external harddrive via the usb ports <head_victim> vigar: unlikely but worth a shot, the easiest way to do this would be to use a livecd and then plug something into the problematic porta nd see if it's recognised <vigar> it should automatically recognise the external harddrive when plugged in like windows would? <head_victim> Yes, most drives "just work" <head_victim> If you can bring up a terminal window (Ubuntu menu>Accessories>Terminal) then run the command "dmesg" without the " and paste the output into a pastebin and link us how that goes <head_victim> !pastebin <lubotu2> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. <vigar> well the auto run dikdn't work for either external hard drive or usb pen stic <vigar> give me a sec to work on what you just recomended <head_victim> Ah ok well the dmesg command should show if anything was plugged in at all <vigar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/602713/ <vigar> think i worked it out though it might not of got it all <head_victim> That looks like it all and it looks like nothing has been plugged in <head_victim> Could be a hardware failure <head_victim> (assumingn you didn't just plug in a wireless USB card?) <vigar> nope no wireless usb, well laptop goes back to toshiba then <vigar> thanks for your help head_victim, very much appreciated <head_victim> No worries, should use Ubuntu for a while and see if you prefer it :) <vigar> pretty keen on running it after this windows 7 providing to be a pain <head_victim> Well we're always here to help if you need it <vigar> how easy is it to wirelessly lan to my misses macbook? <head_victim> Also you might want to check out the wiki and mailing list <head_victim> vigar: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2681631&postcount=3 seems to suggest it's pretty easy :) <vigar> gahh and to think i wasted 2 nights trying to get the mac to read windows 7 <head_victim> Hah I honestly haven't used windows7 long enough to have an opinion. <vigar> im still only gamblling if my fie backed up... <head_victim> Ah that doesn't sound good <head_victim> Are you using a livecd or have you installed Ubuntu? <head_victim> If you're using a livecd you can use that to transfer files off the installed windows 7 <vigar> livecd, but i have already done a window restore, so its gone anyways <head_victim> Ah fair enough, I've used the livecd heaps to save people's data so was just checking <head_victim> You should still be able to get documents and photos and stuff off it though <vigar> even after a factory restor? <head_victim> Ah so that wasn't a windows reset but a factory reset? I thought windows resets just rolled back to a specified date and kept all documents, etc <vigar> nah this was pretty much, wipe the whole thing and start again <head_victim> Cool, just making sure, no point loosing data if you don't have to. <vigar> will ubuntu be able to read the windows file i copied onto the misses mac when i copy them back <head_victim> Depends, what sort of file? <vigar> photos, music and a heap of other stuff <head_victim> Photos and music no problems, the other stuff as long as it's not proprietry formats you should be ok. I believe OpenOffice and LibreOffice can both read .docx files, etc ok now <vigar> sweet <head_victim> Test it out now with the livecd if you like <head_victim> If you copied it to the mac, follow the instructions I posted before and see if you can read them ok <vigar> good point <head_victim> I like to make sure of things before relying on them <vigar> looks like i would to chase down some plug ins for most of them <head_victim> What file extensions? <vigar> avi, m4a, mp3 <head_victim> mp3 is pretty easy, avi depends on what codec but should work, looking up m4a now <head_victim> !restricted <lubotu2> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/musicvideophotos/C/video.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats <vigar> how does ipod connectivity go? <head_victim> I think it depends on what generation but a lot do work apparently <head_victim> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPod has some info <vigar> cool, everything seems pretty simple <head_victim> There are heaps of places to get help to. I started with Ubuntu ages ago now but I learnt that help was only a quick google away. Then I found IRC and it got even easier. <head_victim> The team mailing list is another place for assistance as well as any number of different IRC channels, wiki pages, help pages and forums <vigar> cool, looks like ill have to look into how this filling sytem works though <head_victim> Yeah, it's been a while since I had to work on windows so I can't really remember how it was different <vigar> thanks for your time head_victim, but im off to bed <head_victim> No worries mate, have a good one #ubuntu-au 2011-05-04 <valorin> Anyone have any experience debugging SSH problems with the error message of "Write failed: Broken pipe"? <gorilla> valorin: Sorry for the late response but I have... <gorilla> I have found that to be the case when I have ssh'ed from my work machine to my home machine and leave it for a while. I think it is caused by either end timing out. Nat connection at both ends bring on IPv6! <valorin> I've got IPv4 with NAT <valorin> its annoying cos our sys admins don't know what is happening <gorilla> In my experience, if you keep the connection busy (keep alive), you shouldn't see that message. <gorilla> I should probably look into it further but give that I don't control my work network, my understanding is going to be rodriguezcrystal@example.org. <head_victim> valorin: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=97003 has a few tips <valorin> Yeah, nah, it's ok. I've got one of the admins checking it for me at the moment. It's probably something to do with the complex DMZ setup they've got <head_victim> gorilla: you might find it interesting to solve your issue as well <valorin> I'll take a look, thanks head_victim <head_victim> valorin: I hope it helps :) <valorin> Mmm... I don't think the issue is server related, I'd say it's the firewalls which are causing my issue. Since we've rolled out identicial systems with the same config without issue outside this enviroment <valorin> Thanks anyway guys :) <gorilla> head_victim: for me it's not really an issue as the problem only occurs when I leave the connection idle overnight... #ubuntu-au 2011-05-05 <kaushal> Hi <kaushal> I am using TB 3.1.8, I format the message in gedit and when i paste it on the compose window and send it , the lines get dealigned <kaushal> Any clue ? <kaushal> I mean when i receive the email <gorilla> kaushal: Does the same thing happen if you type it directly into Thunderbird? (I am assuming that this is what you meant by TB) <kaushal> gorilla: yes it happens <gorilla> hmm. I don't use Thuirnderbird but perhaps it's word wrap is turned off. I can't really offer much more advice. Sorry. <valorin> gorilla & head_victim, I got a good couple of responses on ServerFault about the issue I was having yesterday, if you are interested: http://serverfault.com/questions/266055/ssh-connections-freezing-with-write-failed-broken-pipe <gorilla> valorin: Nice. <head_victim> valorin: yeah so the keepalive stuff is what the issue is <valorin> head_victim, Yeah, because the NAT setup was timing out before the SSH connection. After modifying those settings, it appears all good :) <head_victim> valorin: sweet, glad it's sorted <head_victim> sagaci: well done btw, just shot the ML a message <gorilla> head_victim: I only see it after I go home... I think the timeout on the server must be long... as it doesn't reset the connection during my lunch break. <head_victim> gorilla: I never ssh for longer than I'm at the keyboard so I never see it :) <sagaci> head_victim, when I first saw the email, I thought it was about you... then when I saw my name, I audibly said "Holy Shit" <head_victim> sagaci: hah I don't do much translation, it's more a "when I have 30 mins spare sometime". <head_victim> I actually have been trying to tidy up "Trash" recently which is really time consuming for little result. But I have managed to fix Unity and Nautilus <sagaci> it comes up as Wastebin in 11.04 on the bottom left hand corner icon <head_victim> Yeah I only just did it today <head_victim> It should all be Rubbish Bin <head_victim> But there's no way to search it all online, you have to go to each package separately and then search for "trash" or "bin" <head_victim> So if you can try to remember to do a search on each package you translate part of for those 2 and check to make sure they're all Rubbish Bin it will make everything gela lot better <sagaci> head_victim, but you can do it via downloading the .po, right? <head_victim> I assume you can search for it in the po editor <head_victim> You can search individual packages just not the whole lot I don't think. Unless you get into some serios google fu <sagaci> the gimp packages are pricks, every second string is color <blahdeblah> Any grub experts out there? I've got a client getting grub error 24 "Attempt to access block outside partition" on a server that was previously running perfectly. Bug #353071 seems to be related, but it is for much older versions, and i've tried all the suggested remedies. <lubotu2> Launchpad bug 353071 in grub (Ubuntu) "grub error 24 with Jaunty beta" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/353071 <head_victim> blahdeblah: no recent bios or partition changes I assume? <blahdeblah> nope <head_victim> All I can find on it is it's usually an error thrown by a kernel that can't read ext4 properly <head_victim> If trying a different kernel doesn't work I'm kinda out of ideas <blahdeblah> Doesn't even get as far as choosing a kernel <blahdeblah> And there's no ext4 <gorilla> blahdeblah: Hit the mail lists with that one... it might get answered here but personally I haven't dived under the hood of grub configs. <sagaci> head_victim, ping <sagaci> http://i.imgur.com/qAxHi.png <head_victim> Pong <head_victim> sagaci: yeah the Rubbish Bin is correct :) I went through nautilus and unity before <sagaci> just saying how many iterations there are <head_victim> Ah yeah there's heaps :/ <head_victim> I've even noticed it on my computer <head_victim> I've seen 3 different names for it at once wiht random stuff I had optn * gorilla just put the rubbish out... Bin very Laden. <head_victim> sagaci: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+translations is where I'd go <head_victim> And then look at the "base pack" or "see all language packs" <head_victim> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+language-packs and then the "base pack" <head_victim> it's a tar.gz I beleive <head_victim> Spelling fail tonight. <sagaci> the base pack, yeah? <head_victim> On that note I should head off, got a bunch of stuff to do and need to be awake at 4am <head_victim> Yeah the base pack <sagaci> 588MiB <head_victim> I tried downloading something once, editing it and then when I went to upload it it failed and I couldn't make it work. I stuck to doing it online since then (I'd spent hours on translating basically all of firefox offline) <sagaci> not bad but i'd have to see how that goes with merging and everything <head_victim> That sounds right <sagaci> I don't think there's any point to getting the base pack till most of the strings are translated <sagaci> yeah righteo, cya <sagaci> and more of an issue to upload the base pack, 588MiB upload on an aussie connection... tell him he's dreamin <head_victim> Haha just leave it overnight <gorilla> sagaci: Well done on your translation ranking. :-) <head_victim> gorilla: sagaci is the translation king :D <head_victim> Well, 4th in line to the throne anyway ;) <sagaci> i just have spare time for the meantime <sagaci> may as well use it <head_victim> May as well indeed. <sagaci> 1st is 101000 <gorilla> sagaci: you mean that you had spare time :-D <head_victim> sagaci: well what are you waiting for! Hop to it <sagaci> gorilla, precisely <sagaci> maybe by 12.04 <head_victim> But really, I'm off now. Cheerio <gorilla> sagaci: but thanks all the same. <sagaci> well I'll actually feel ok installing the AU language pack after a while <sagaci> all these years i've passed up on it <Fudge> evenin <ikt> heya :) <Fudge> playing with natty here trying to get my remastersys under 700meg <Fudge> its 817 currently <ikt> oh nice <ikt> what did you change in the remaster? <ikt> Fudge ? <Fudge> oh sorry <Fudge> well its for vinux so took out libreoffice ubuntu docs ghome manual but a lot of other stuff was instaleld so thats why im trying to get the install down <Fudge> its a blind friendly <ikt> ah nice :) <Fudge> ty <Fudge> nie #ubuntu-au 2011-05-06 <madlatvian> hi max #ubuntu-au 2011-05-07 <sagaci> head_victim, ping <ikt> heya sagaci <ikt> who's up early? <sagaci> 10.34 isn't early <ikt> on a saturday? <ikt> I guess I am a night owl <ikt> anything before midday is early :P <Nozy> 10 is not early <Nozy> 4 is <Nozy> 5 is <Nozy> 6 some what <Nozy> on my 5th coffee by 10 <ikt> lol <ikt> speaking of coffee, I should get some :D <head_victim> sagaci: pong <head_victim> Just got home from work sorry <sagaci> so I came across the chromium-browser package that I wanted to translate but it's in a restricted setting - https://translations.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/+translations <sagaci> so I emailed the translations group and david planella got back to me and said I have to create a group or something <sagaci> but do I have to create another group if I'm already in the -au team... I think <head_victim> That seems a little odd <sagaci> like it's not in the list of the ones I usually do, I must have been looking for a ppa and noticed translations <hot_wheelz> Hi guys <hot_wheelz> what is the best way to do BD playback in 11.04? <sagaci> but I'm simply guessing that the lead of this translation effort needs to ask if the package can be worked on by our team? <sagaci> i could be completely and utterly wrong <head_victim> sagaci: link? <head_victim> hot_wheelz: BD? <sagaci> head_victim, to what <head_victim> Oh I'm an idiot you've already done it <hot_wheelz> head_victim, blu-ray <head_victim> hot_wheelz: let me know how it goes, I haven't seen anyone mention it since 2007 and was wondering myself. I'd ask in the main #ubuntu channel <hot_wheelz> head_victim sure thing <head_victim> sagaci: poking around a bit for you <head_victim> Well for us really <head_victim> It was also on my "to do list" <sagaci> head_victim, chromium? <head_victim> Yep <sagaci> + added meeting agenda item <head_victim> I subbed to a bug to try and get them to add email notification of updates of the loco <head_victim> I keep forgetting to check <head_victim> Nice to see we have some decent topics and they're not all from me :D <Octatron> Anyone know some good accounting software that deals with Aust BAS and runs native on linux? <gorilla> Octatron: we wish there was. <Octatron> If I had the power, I would build an Aussie Accounting package under the GPL for linux * head_victim plugs in Octatron's powerboard <Octatron> head_victim: heheheh if only it were that simple :D <head_victim> Extension lead? <Octatron> Does this lead provide programming skills in tcl/tk? :P <head_victim> Maybe? <Octatron> Cool plug it in :) #ubuntu-au 2011-05-08 <hot_wheelz> hi guys <hot_wheelz> anyone know if the Canon ir 2100 is supported OTB in 11.04 <hot_wheelz> i mean irC1021 <dkg779> I was wondering if someone uses a kodak camera on ubuntu and had to fix a could not lock camera-60 error ? <ikt> anybody else going to use UDS remote to listen in to UDS? <head_victim> ikt: if I can I will <head_victim> Depends on timing #ubuntu-au 2011-05-09 <Octatron> Ugh! anyone have an idea of the settings for a bigpond ultimate usb modem on ubuntu? <ikt> ugh indeed <ikt> usb modem :/ <Octatron> I know apparently adsl through a phone line is too hard in the 21st century <ikt> bigpond != 21st century :P <ikt> signing up to bigpond is signing up to 19th century innovation <ikt> I thought usb modems died <ikt> ethernet == win <Octatron> it's that bigpond ultimate fat white modem I've trawled the net for auth setting chap pap?? dns setting auto or man? username password needed? apn for post paid account? <ikt> all auto <ikt> should just need u/n and p/w <gorilla> hi all. <ikt> heya <ikt> head_victim <ikt> if you are here, the uds is going on <gorilla> uds?? <ikt> ubuntu developer summit <ikt> http://ubuntu-user.com/Online/Blogs/Amber-Graner-You-in-Ubuntu/Ubuntu-Developer-Summit-UDS-Remote-Participation <ikt> there was a cool speech by Mark Shuttleworth <ikt> then a really long and boring speech by a linaro guy <gorilla> ikt: ahhh. <gorilla> yes, finding quality speakers that are passionate and/or entertaining can be hard work. <ikt> yeah but Mark makes it all better <ikt> the thing was that the damn video/audio cut out mid way through <ikt> it looks like the connection they had went down <ikt> so I didn't get to see the whole dedication to matt zimmerman <ikt> http://blip.tv/file/5121977 <ikt> sometimes works <ikt> sometimes 503's <ikt> now it's saying unable to play :/ <Octatron> upgraded to Virtualbox 4 :) - but cannot mount usb devices like I use too in 3 :( anyone got some idea whats going on? <head_victim> Hmm just missed ikt #ubuntu-au 2011-05-10 <head_victim> Anyone with any suggestions for an RSS reader? <gorilla> head_victim: firefox :-) <head_victim> See I'm new to all this stuff, is it worth just setting it up with my gmail account? <head_victim> I'm so far behind the curve with all this web stuff it's not funny <head_victim> Next thing you know I'll have a social media account or something <valorin> head_victim, I use Feedly as an RSS reader. It uses Google Reader to do the actual RSS collection, but they have an extension for Firefox (and others, including android and iPhone) for displaying and browsing the feeds. http://www.feedly.com/ <valorin> If you consume lots of feeds daily, which I do, then something like Feedly is the way to go. <valorin> There are plenty around, so it really depends what sort of interface you find useful. There are desktop application readers too, but if you use multiple machines, these aren't great. <head_victim> I would like it to work on my android as well so I'll look in to that one <head_victim> Although it's saying it can't find it in the markety <valorin> Really? <valorin> odd <valorin> let me check here <valorin> https://market.android.com/details?id=com.devhd.feedly <valorin> If you've got your account setup, you can install directly from there <head_victim> hmm I open it with the market and it's not found, use the browser and it lets me <valorin> That is weird <valorin> Who is your phone with? <head_victim> Telstra, motorola defy <valorin> I believe some carriers have restrictions, although I don't know why it would reject feedly <valorin> Maybe it's android version support? <valorin> cos I'm a Telstra Desire <head_victim> Stock 2.1 <valorin> Ah, it requires Android 2.2 <head_victim> That'd do it, apparently July is when I can expect that <valorin> Ah ok. You could try the dedicated Google Reader application and not use Feedly. I've heard good things about it too, although I've never used it. <valorin> I used Google Reader many years ago, it was good then, but I have no clue what it's like now <head_victim> Cool I was going to try a few things here and there just trying to get some feedback to steer me in the right direction <valorin> :) <valorin> Well, good luck in your search :) <head_victim> Cheers for the pointers. <head_victim> What I'm finding that most people go "oh you really need 2.2 for x feature" motorola have already backported anyway <head_victim> Loving swype. <valorin> Swype? *goes to look for it* <valorin> Yeah, the waiting-for-upgrades really sucks <head_victim> It's a keyboard text prediction I guess. You never take your finger off the keyboard you just move it around. <valorin> Ah <valorin> Now I can't find it in my the market <head_victim> I thought it was gimicky at first but can't live without it now, my fingers are too fat to use anything else. <valorin> Ah cool, I think I remember hearing about that a while ago. <valorin> I just found their website, and am signing up for the beta :D <head_victim> Hah came standard on my phone. It's a must for big fingered oafs like me <valorin> ah, lol <head_victim> I was truly worried about my typing on the on screen keyboard <valorin> My wife hates using my phone, cos of her fingernails, so it might work for her too <valorin> I came from many years of using PalmOS with a stylus, so having to use fingers directly on the screen was really hard to learn <head_victim> I just upgraded from a nokia e51 - 12 button standard phone <valorin> ah the good ol' days of phones which only had one main function <head_victim> The only thing it didn't do for me well was web browsing. It did all my contact and calendar stuff well, sync'd via bluetooth to the PC (even on Ubuntu!) <valorin> Nice <head_victim> In that regard it's better than this android. <head_victim> I'm having to use ical and vcards as a backup solution instead <valorin> I use google apps, so it's always synced for me :) but yeah, that's one of the downsides of android and the "cloud" <valorin> for the record, I hate the term "cloud"... so stupid <head_victim> Yeah, not a fan of the "cloud" for personal stuff. Most of my emails are publically logged anyway so I don't care about that but the names, addresses, appointments, etc I do still seem to care about <head_victim> Well I haven't slept in 24 hours so I might go for a nap so I make a tiny bit of sense tonight for the meeting <valorin> Ok. I've got band, as usual, so I won't be there tonight. <head_victim> No worries, feel free to check out the agenda though and contribute via the mailing list, it's just a valid a way to communicate as the meeting <valorin> Yep, will do <head_victim> Cheerio, I'll be back in time for the meeting :) <head_victim> Evening Octatron <Octatron> Salutations head_victim how goes it this chilly evening? <head_victim> Still getting over the flu but have had some sleep so feeling half human. <Octatron> sleep helps, I've just sussed out something interesting on usb modems <Octatron> on two different models of modem you can put in the correct settings and they will refuse to connect.. until you move them to another usb slot.. then they work werid huh? <Octatron> how much sleep are you getting a night? <head_victim> Add the info to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/WirelessBroadbandInformation if it helps someone <head_victim> I'm a shiftworker, it varies. <Octatron> an adult can get by on an average of 6 hours a night .. 8 hours is recommended and 4 hours can be ok but only if it's done once a week <head_victim> Yep, some nights it's 0 other nights it's 14. <Octatron> lack of sleep can effect your emotions and fitness as well apparently, we burn more fat asleep then awake doing nothing. I'll pop that little tip up <head_victim> Hah yeah I've noticed <Octatron> When is this irc meeting to start? <head_victim> 8pm <Octatron> cool I'll bring jacket and hot cocoa :P <Octatron> um how does one submit stuff to the wirelessbroadband wiki? <head_victim> Do you have a launchpad login? <head_victim> If so https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/WikiHowTo has a couple of pointers <Octatron> rightio I'll check it out thanks <head_victim> No worries, let me know if anything isn't clear (I wrote the howto page ;) ) <Octatron> rolled your own.. it's the linux way.. :) <head_victim> Yeah there were heaps of guides out there but none that actually got down as far as "press the edit button" which to me if someone hasn't used it before isn't always as obvious as you think it might be <head_victim> Wikis are the one thing I feel kinda comfortable using <Octatron> I've never actually used them before, I'm use to trawling the interweb for answers for hours on end <head_victim> Hah how do you think I learnt how to wiki :) <head_victim> I cut my teeth reorganising the ubuntu-au space <Octatron> ahh cool well it's needed isps have all the documentation in the world for mac and windoze and nothing on linux <head_victim> Yeah it was a common question in here at the time so I just started that one up and got everyone else to add the content ;) <Octatron> check out this little tit bit I found for telstra http://bigpond.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/17143 <gorilla> evening all. <head_victim> Yeah the hardest thing I've had to set up has been a home network gateway from telstra, needed to plug it into a windows computer to activate it (could have called them up instead but I was lazy and the wife's laptop was just there) <head_victim> Evening gorilla <Octatron> yeah I've noticed you need to activate on a windows pc first, which is what leads me to the next gripe.. virtualbox 4 usb no longer works to allow me to use it to activate wireless modems <Octatron> hi gorilla <Octatron> well I've logged into launchpad what next? <head_victim> Octatron: you using the personal use "free" version of the open source one? <Octatron> not sure but I'm on your wiki page and my username is at the top <head_victim> Octatron: Oh I meant for VB sorry :P <gorilla> VB?? <head_victim> So yeah for the wiki stuff that means you're logged in to just go through and follow up the instructions to edit the page <head_victim> gorilla: virtualbox <Octatron> yeah its the "free" version it had usb support before I upgraded it <gorilla> head_victim: Oh.. I initially though Visual Basic. <Octatron> cool I'll try it <head_victim> Octatron: ah k, I use the personal use free one, not the open source one. But I haven't fixed it since I wiped my hdd with installs on it <Octatron> thats the one .. I don't think the open source one offers usb support <Octatron> the new interface is nice shame it's not as functional <head_victim> Hmmm odd I hadn't heard that about it (loosing some USB functions) before <Octatron> you have to install an addional file from the site as well for usb 2.0 support and guest additions have to be installed in safe mode for direct 3d support .. all that done and the usb devices appears greyed out on the virtualbox interface when running the OS <head_victim> Odd, filed a bug? <sagaci> oh, meeting tonight <sagaci> whenzit on <sagaci> kk, half an hour to get home and set up <Octatron> Well I havn't because I thought I've done something wrong .. or havn't done something.. I have to be sure first <head_victim> Octatron: no worries, I'm far from expert on such topics I'm afraid <Octatron> I'm part of the vboxusers group as well so this has me stumped <Octatron> It's either a permissions issue with usb or some werid issue between modeswitch used to change the usb modems modes and virtualbox <Octatron> long story short I cheated and found a pc windows installed on it and activated the usb modems that way <head_victim> Cool <head_victim> So who's starting to gather for the meeting? <head_victim> Evening sagaci <sagaci> hi <head_victim> Well I think I'll get started with the roll call while people mosey on in. <head_victim> #startmeeting <MootBot> Meeting started at 04:59. The chair is head_victim. <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] <head_victim> So if anyone present for the meeting wants to acknowledge their attendance please speak up now <head_victim> [LINK] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/65/detail/ meeting details and agenda <MootBot> LINK received: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/65/detail/ meeting details and agenda <sagaci> hey yall <head_victim> Well that's one, is dns53 a second? <head_victim> Octatron & gorilla you guys still around? <dns53> a second of what? <head_victim> Person at the meeting, so far it's sagaci and I. <head_victim> Well third then. * dns53 goes to check the agenda <head_victim> I would have expected Boden here at some stage <head_victim> Might be a quick meeting. <head_victim> Well with this sort of turnout I would have expected some others to throw some ideas around on the mailing list a bit. <sagaci> a quiet one <head_victim> Well I'll run through the agenda while we're here, won't be much but at least it will be recorded for others to read over later. <head_victim> [TOPIC] Update on RTs <MootBot> New Topic: Update on RTs <head_victim> Well I haven't heard much back yet and I was going to do a follow up email but then I realised there was a certain something called the UDS happening soon (right now in fact) so I thought I'd leave it another week or so <head_victim> This is to do with updating the website drupal installion so we can update the theme easily. <head_victim> So once I send for an update I'll forward the response to the mailing list. <head_victim> sagaci: shall we skip to your topic or did you want to postpone until we have more attend or some discussion on the list? <sagaci> postpone i guess <head_victim> Any luck with looking into the Chromium thing? <sagaci> not really, have to get my head around what's required, and then i'll go through with whatever needs to be done <head_victim> Fair enough, maybe email the ubuntu enAU team for support? <dns53> what are you trying to do? <sagaci> isn't the enAU team, essentially, us? <head_victim> Start a launchpad enAU translation team as opposed to a Ubuntu enAU team <head_victim> sagaci: nah there are quite a few others regularly contributing <head_victim> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-en-au is the home team and I run across a few of them when translating <head_victim> We need to make an enAU launchpad team as well if we want to translate other packages on launchpad (such as chromium) that are in Ubuntu <head_victim> Well other than that the only thing I can really add is a roundup of the release parties, who went to them? Any of them get much in the way of attendence? <dns53> there where 4 of us in adelaide <head_victim> 6 made it to the Brisbane one <sagaci> click - https://launchpad.net/~en-au <sagaci> not sure if I did it right <head_victim> sagaci: I'll have a look after the meeting if you like. <head_victim> Ok well I guess unless anyone has anything to bring up? <Octatron> Im back sorry <sagaci> don't have anything <dns53> i don't have anything either <head_victim> Octatron: welcome back we're just deciding if to close it up really. <Octatron> close up what sorry? <head_victim> I have a goal in the next week if I'm feeling better to try and do up a contact page like blahdeblah suggested for the website with links to who runs what part of the team (all the social groups, etc) <head_victim> The meeting, only sagaci, dns53 and yourself have shown up <tom_a_sparks> i'm really late <head_victim> Evenign tom_a_sparks late is better than never <head_victim> Octatron or tom_a_sparks did either of you have anything you wanted to discuss at al? <Octatron> Is everyone using the .ical calendar to find out about our meetings? <head_victim> I'm adding it to my phone like I always have. <Octatron> Is communication of meetings the problem with low turnouts? <tom_a_sparks> I just keep forgetting <head_victim> I'm not sure, I was going to send something to the list asking about what we can do to improve attendance but feel free to send something yourself to start the conversation <head_victim> I'm open to all ideas. <dns53> the ical works in gmail <head_victim> dns53: cool <Octatron> we need to make it easy for people to add the ubuntu calendar to google calendars for smart phones and the like maybe? <sagaci> I've got to head off for a while, I guess I'll post my item til next meeting <head_victim> Octatron: dns53 just said it worked <head_victim> sagaci: sorry mate <sagaci> I'll be online later but not within meeting time <dns53> yeah it works fine for my android phone, and a work around might be to feed it to gmail then pull from that for other applications <sagaci> ciao <head_victim> I'm open to change the timing, the format anything, just need some ideas. <head_victim> Whatever it takes to get more people showing up <Octatron> well I know I had to really look for it before I found it myself maybe it needs to be in big text here is the link to add to your calendar so you can hook up and have a paaarrrtay! <Octatron> well could it be put on the front of the ubuntu-au website as the first item in big text here's what to use on your iphone, android of mobile to keep in touch with event etc.. <head_victim> Ok well if anyone thinks of anything please email the list, we need to try and get som emore people attending <head_victim> Octatron: good idea, I'm hoping in the update to the website we can just have a link to "calendar" which goes to a wiki page explaining how to add the loco.u.c calendar to various devices and calendaring software <Octatron> google publish public calendars too I think could we do that? <dns53> google can give you a url that does not require authentication <head_victim> I'm trying to simplify the calendaring stuff at the moment, up until last month I had to update 3 places for each meeting. <head_victim> Can this be set up to get the feed off the loco.u.c site without having to manually inputting each item again? <Octatron> This is what you said before.. we need to make it obvious to people on one type of notification software not have to update several mediums <head_victim> I don't mind if it can feed off the one source but I'm really anti setting up things we're going to have to manually update each time <Octatron> exactly so if you only have to update one calendar and everyone gets it automatically that'd be cool <head_victim> Well that's why I'm trying to use loco.u.c as the source so we have one place to keep up to date. <Octatron> to do this they have to know not to download the ical file but to copy the link into their google calendar to work properly <Octatron> if everyone uses it this way once a change is made to the orginal ical file everyone gets it.. you might even be able to set the alerts for meetings to 1 day instead of 10 minutes <head_victim> Octatron: sounds good <Octatron> then direct everyone on mailist to the ubuntu-au main page and have the instructions on the front in font 30 :P <head_victim> Ok well I guess that's about all we have? Octatron or dns53 anything else? <head_victim> tom_a_sparks: you have anything to add? <dns53> nope nothing to add, back to minecraft <head_victim> [IDEA] email list to see how we can improve attendance <MootBot> IDEA received: email list to see how we can improve attendance <Octatron> maybe add screen dumps? <head_victim> Octatron: yep if it's going to help <head_victim> [IDEA] postpone translation and maintaining social pages until next meeting <MootBot> IDEA received: postpone translation and maintaining social pages until next meeting <Octatron> who doesn't love screen dumps .. I could make it for google at least dunno about yahoo or msn <head_victim> #endmeeting <MootBot> Meeting finished at 05:39. <head_victim> Octatron: if you want to learn wiki creating a how to add the ical feed might be a good topic for the wiki <Octatron> well I'd like to learn howto get into your wiki for the wireless stuff and then I could contrib a google howto perhaps? <head_victim> It's really pretty easy, did you have a read over the page I linked? <Octatron> yes it looks very well laid out I just can't find the front door.. do I have to email submissions too you or something? or am I pending approval to be added to the team? <head_victim> Nope <head_victim> you just have to click "edit" <Octatron> ok where is the edit link <head_victim> In the top bar to the left of your username <Octatron> ahhhh wow this is different <Octatron> ok leave it with me this might take a little bit to learn <head_victim> Sing out if you have any issues :) <Octatron> thanks mate :) <head_victim> I'm trying to work out how to get the ical feed into my phone without google <head_victim> I can get the file there but not the link <Octatron> can you add the ical web address to funambol first then your phone should pick it up <Octatron> something under shared calendars? <head_victim> Trying to avoid cloud services here, my personal preference is to keep my appointments off other people's servers <head_victim> One day I'll set up my own personal funambol server until then I'm pottering away with ical importers <Octatron> I know, you need to see if funambol has a function to add external public calendars on your own server <Octatron> what if you made up a dummy google account just to add the ubuntu ical address to it to link to your phone? that way it's nothing personal? <head_victim> Octatron: sounding like the only way <Octatron> it'd be nice if people could "google" ubuntu calendar australia and get our ical feed <Octatron> I know if you do that you could even add a little picture of the ubuntu calendar on the ubuntu-au website if you wanted too <Octatron> you know those bits of html they give you to allow people to see your schedule on a website? <Octatron> Why is no one else talking? <head_victim> All just lurking, connected but not at their keyboards * gorilla is lurking... <gorilla> doh.. not now I'm not. <Octatron> zombies hey? :P I'm googling the android / ical issue atm * gorilla has an Android tablet.. what's the issue? <Octatron> we can't seem to find an app for android that allows you to just add an ical web feed to the calendar <Octatron> so far all I could find is an app called "the missing sync" and "fliq" might so it but you've gotta pay for the first one <Octatron> brb eating cake <head_victim> I'm trying to work out how to use more than one google calendar <Octatron> share one google account to another.. have one as the "main" google calendar <head_victim> Octatron: but can you then sync only one of these? <head_victim> I'm being too odd with my personal stuff I guess. It's making quite the hassle out of a lot of things <sagaci> how'd the meeting go <head_victim> A little too underpopulated to achieve much I think <sagaci> so postponed? <head_victim> We mentioned a few things, I sent an email to the list to try and work out what we can do about it <Octatron> I think so, atm I have two calendars with google, one business one personal i share the business to the personal and then sync the personal account to android along with the ubuntu ical feed and they all show up on my phone <head_victim> Apparently it might be an issue with the fact I use 2.1 <jaddi27> head_victim, sorry for not being at the meeting <head_victim> jaddi27: it's ok, I'm just trying to suss out what we can do to get more people along. If we're having less than 5 - 10 people regularly I don't think we're getting the most out of it <jaddi27> Yes, I can understand that. Uni is quite busy for me at the moment, so I didn't even turn my computer on until 10pm <sagaci> head_victim, have you watched mark's keynote? <head_victim> sagaci: I haven't had time <sagaci> maybe a different day will be better <head_victim> sagaci: if that would help I'm more than willing to give it a try <head_victim> The problem is no day suits everyone all the time so it's a matter of finding the one that suits the most the most of the time <sagaci> sunday evening :) <head_victim> Suggest it on the list :) <head_victim> or maybe we should start a doodle poll again :/ <sagaci> yeah I'll send an email soon <jaddi27> Either method would be fine I think <head_victim> I wonder if people even want meetings and to contribute <jaddi27> How would we actually find out what people want though? Previous threads on the mailing list have been very inconclusive... <head_victim> If 5 - 10 is all that want to be involved then that's fine we'll keep going as we are <head_victim> I just worry we're not getting enough of the people who want to be involved. <jaddi27> I think the email should hopefully get some responses. <sagaci> i hope thunderbird is placed as the default email client in 11.10 <jaddi27> Thunderbird is promoted on the Ubuntu.com front page at the moment, as one of people's 'favourite apps' <jaddi27> along with Firefox, Chrome and Skype <head_victim> I'm going to stop playing with the calendars on my phone, just broke what I had setup because of a sync wipes all the locally created data. I'll go back to editing it manually as required ;) <sagaci> jaddi27, good point. Evolution looks so outdated <jaddi27> sagaci, Yes, I agree. It is a good client, but Thunderbird is a lot easier to use now I think. <sagaci> head_victim, I just don't understand why we have to create a new team to translate chromium. surely I can't just ride on the en-AU ubuntu team <sagaci> and the whole firefox-thunderbird relationship thing <sagaci> even though I don't use firefox <head_victim> sagaci: because it's a Ubuntu team, not a launchpad team. You need to make a launchpad translation team for things that are specifically ubuntu <sagaci> head_victim, so did I set up that team incorrectly? <head_victim> Not sure, about to go check <head_victim> I'm still debating if I'm an idiot for not wanting to use google's sync services for privacy reasons :/ * head_victim goes to check the launchpad team <jaddi27> Would there be any more privacy concerns for Google Sync vs using Google Mail, Calendar, etc? <Octatron> I think people also would be able to come if they have at least 1 weeks warning of events they can then plan other stuff around the meetings <head_victim> jaddi27: that's the thing, I don't use any of the other stuff, I've only ever had control over all my data myself (other than email 90% of which is publically logged anyway so not really caring for that) <jaddi27> head_victim, I see why you would be concerned now. I decided I would just use them for my main calendar and mail, so the sync service is not really adding any further privacy concerns for me <Octatron> You're right head_victim to not trust google or any big company with our data.. I too want to run my own web, calendar and file server from ubuntu and keep my own data secure <head_victim> Yeah I can't seem to get a "local" calendar though on my phone. <head_victim> So I have to use a google one that isn't synced. But then I can't seem to add more than one calendar account either <Octatron> this is why I added all the calendar through the google account first and synced that one calendar.. just use this setup until you have funambol up and running <jaddi27> I am not really sure about that - I don't have any Android devices at all <head_victim> sagaci: I think the team needs to be called lp-l10n-en-au <head_victim> not just en-au <head_victim> Octatron: funambol still stores your data though <Octatron> yes but funambol stores it on your machine locally <head_victim> If you have a funambol server <head_victim> Sorry I thought you meant their online service <Octatron> no way! whats the point of that? <head_victim> That's what I wasn't getting <sagaci> head_victim, https://launchpad.net/~lp-l10n-en-au :3 <head_victim> sagaci: looking good, needs a welcome note, communication method (hosted mailing list on launchpad?) and guidelines (I'd suggest the default) <Octatron> that sogo thing that has funambol built in I've downloaded it and played with it before it's not too bad <head_victim> Yeah I jsut don't have a web facing server <Octatron> run it in virtual box <Octatron> it wouldn't need much ram or space <head_victim> Nope, just the time to set it up properly <head_victim> Which for me is a lot of time as I have to learn as I go <dns53> do you want a web facing server? <Octatron> the real problem is android needs to be able to add ical feeds along with your existing calendar <head_victim> dns53: eventually, yes. <dns53> you can if you use google or exchange <Octatron> and not have to run it through google like I do sacrificing privacy <head_victim> dns53: the idea here is privacy, if you're putting it through a third party then that is all gone. The other option is one that only updates on a lan so it's local though <sagaci> used google docs for the first time, can't believe how much of a replacement for libreoffice it actually it <sagaci> is* <head_victim> sagaci: I've not used it yet, never had a need but it does look interesting <dns53> head_victim sure is, but atleast the apps for domain policy is better than the normal users <Octatron> googles motto is "do no evil" but I don't think I believe that entirely <sagaci> neither did I but I was on google yesterday and docs came up and i just saw the main interface... looks much
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