#ubuntu-us-mi 2011-09-01 <snap-l> Good evening <Wolfger> morning <rick_h_> morning <snap-l> Good morning <brousch> no <brousch> 4AM gotta go potty yell makes ben a tired boy <Wolfger> heh <Wolfger> I woke up at 2:30 thinking it was time to get up, but it was just the low-battery beep from my work cell <Wolfger> Then I woke up at 4:45 being positive the alarm was going off, though it shut off before I could turn it off.... <Wolfger> then at 5 the real alarm went off, and I realized that the sound at 4:45 wasn't my alarm, it was my ringtone <Wolfger> some unrecognized number called me before 5 AM. WTF? <brousch> that was me. i wanted to make sure you felt my pain <rick_h_> heh, we must have all had strange nights <Wolfger> :-p <rick_h_> I did the "hmm, wonder what time it is: 5:58" <rick_h_> alarm was set for 6 <CrusaderAD> Hello everyone! The global jam event is this Saturday, right? <snap-l> That's correct. <snap-l> 12-5 <snap-l> 12-5pm <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-michigan/1090/detail/ <CrusaderAD> can anyone drop in, say just to "observe"? <snap-l> CrusaderAD: Sure, if you wish, but we'd love for you to participate <snap-l> There's no pressure <CrusaderAD> I'm a developer but mostly for web technologies, but I'm interested in getting involved with the local Ubuntu community <snap-l> We'll likely be trying out live images of oneiric <snap-l> Also John Gruber will be presenting his project "Lernid", and doing a mini-sprint with it <snap-l> Feel free to RSVP here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-michigan/1090/detail/ <snap-l> (note: not everyone who is coming has RSVPed, so don't let that alarm you. :) ) <CrusaderAD> cool, thanks for the info! <snap-l> no problem. Hope to see you there! <snap-l> brb. stuck process that needs to be rebooted. <rick_h_> gah! it's too early for NC dude to strike <rick_h_> damn him <brousch> damn him to hell <brousch> wait, he's already in NC <rick_h_> *sigh* "why do you do your this that way? It's not the way I'd do it." <rick_h_> "How many times have you done pyramid apps before? oh right...none..." <brousch> your ways are mysterious and frightening <rick_h_> "Why can't you use your declarative models in your migrations?" it's bad...dont' k <rick_h_> "but I want to..." then fine, come back when you get bit with broken migrations <rick_h_> he's got to convince me his idea is the better way when he's never used the damn tools <rick_h_> a nice "fine, go do it your way" never works <snap-l> You could introduce a bit of the occult into why it's done your way <snap-l> "because if you don't, a demon will come for your immortal soul" <snap-l> Or, "God punishes those who break the build, and God is busy with other things, so I'm picking up the slack" <brousch> i like that one <nullspace> a deamon already comes for your scripts, why not your soul <rick_h_> you have to have a build to break the build <rick_h_> getting close to "JUST TRY IT DAMMIT!" <brousch> how often do you meet him in person? <nullspace> oh is rick talking about his co-worker again? <rick_h_> brousch: so far just once at pycon <brousch> nullspace: either that or his kid? <rick_h_> hah <snap-l> brousch: I think Michael would listen better <nullspace> nah rick_h_'s kid only uses vim <brousch> sometimes i want to code up learning games for my son, but by the time i have a game concept he's already gained the skill it would've taught him <snap-l> brousch: I can relate <brousch> i think of an alphabet game, and he's already got it down <snap-l> You need RAD <snap-l> also frequent input from the customer <brousch> spelling games might last a while if i can plug in bigger words <snap-l> Hey, teach your kid how to scrum. :) <brousch> i don't know how to scrum <snap-l> "Dadda, I wan' da kopuuter ble nargle flop " <snap-l> "heeeeeeeee" <brousch> someone i follow on twitter named their kid "Titan" <brousch> that's a lot to live up to <nullspace> bah my cousin who studied sociology decided to name her kid Odin <ColonelPanic001> seems odd they'd hate their kid that much djennings@example.org. <rick_h_> yay for hacked linux.org ugh <ColonelPanic001> "enjoy a lifetime of explaining every time, you little turd!" <nullspace> brousch: does that mean that their grand children will eventuall over throw their parents <brousch> yeah, really setting him up for a bad death * ColonelPanic001 listens to openmetalcast to wake up (and catch up) <brousch> snap-l: what's the recommended Pyramid hacking music? <brousch> if you say Genesis i will kick you in the nuts <nullspace> hacking a Pyramid? I think I missed something here <rick_h_> today the hacking music is BB King: Complete Collection <brousch> is that jazz? <nullspace> mine is RTPN <ColonelPanic001> The obvious band to listen to while working on Pyramids is Nile. <rick_h_> brousch: blues man, BB King... <nullspace> could listen to Ra or Anubus tii <snap-l> brousch: I'm not sure. I haven't hacked much in Pyramid <snap-l> Maybe some Iron Maiden: Powerslave? <nullspace> brousch: pyramidlinux? as in distro? <rick_h_> gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <snap-l> nullspace: Pyramid, as in the Pylons framework. <snap-l> Python web framework <snap-l> rick_h_: that good? * snap-l tries to talk the channel down <rick_h_> I'm not going to make it to the end of the day...I'm just not <snap-l> What's the colorscheme of choice now? <rick_h_> I'm back to running the updated lucius <snap-l> I want someting with a black background <snap-l> gray on gray just isn't cutting it for me. <rick_h_> try darkdevel ? <rick_h_> dammit <rick_h_> (9:05) Rick: it's a python module <rick_h_> (9:45) NCDude: I see how fabfile is now a package <brousch> google chrome has added an icon to my taskbar <brousch> must be part of the offline stuff <rick_h_> it's google chat <CrusaderAD> do you guys favor chrome or chromium? * ColonelPanic001 uses Chromium <snap-l> I use Chrome <brousch> chrome <nullspace> chrome <CrusaderAD> really? just cause of the latest and greatest releases? <ColonelPanic001> they hate freedom <Wolfger> If I were to have children, I'd want two boys, and name them Thor and Loki.... <Wolfger> then I'd always know which one to blame <CrusaderAD> That would result in Ragnarok <Wolfger> Thor, of course, would grow up to be a doctor, and change his legal name.... <nullspace> na he would become a meterologist, of course <ColonelPanic001> "critical stop" on Club Metal #4 made me lol <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: :) <brousch> I'm going to make my troublesome PDF file converter a real project: https://sourceforge.net/p/pdfserenitynow <rick_h_> on sf?! <rick_h_> there's no code <brousch> :P <brousch> i just made the SF project <rick_h_> bah, hg, hitting downloads takes me to a different ui <rick_h_> wtf <rick_h_> gah sf fix your crap! <Blazeix> why sourceforge, ooc? <Blazeix> not that I'm judging you :) <rick_h_> leave that to me :P <rick_h_> no, was curious to check it out <brousch> ok, i just pushed the nasty hack script <snap-l> Gah, hg? <brousch> more TODO than code <brousch> what's with the hg hate? <brousch> ur a bunch of gits <snap-l> yes. <brousch> the end goal with this is to have a service where you can upload your crappy PDF and it will return a set of TIF and JPG to you or your destination <Wolfger> what, no bazaar love in the Ubuntu crowd? <brousch> i like the SF beta <brousch> allura <brousch> also i can get personal attention when i have issues with it <snap-l> brousch: Heh. :) <brousch> Now it has a description https://sourceforge.net/p/pdfserenitynow/home/Home/ <brousch> rick_h_: are you thoroughly disgusted by script? ;) <brousch> my script <rick_h_> brousch: now see, if this was on github I'd fork it, turn it into a valid python package you could pip install with a command line tool to run it and do a pull request <brousch> heh <rick_h_> instead, no coolness <brousch> i think you can do that on SF <rick_h_> yea, but I'm not going to find my login, my hg cheat sheet, and figure out how sorry <brousch> heh <rick_h_> doing the python parts was enough work, figuring out the system is more <brousch> i was impressed with how easy it was to edit bookie docs right in github <rick_h_> https://github.com/mitechie/python-webpage-inliner can give you an idea how the stuff needed <rick_h_> I forked his script to package it and such like that <brousch> the setup.py? <rick_h_> setup.py, directory structure, etc <brousch> there's inliner.py in the root and in src/webpageinliner/ ? <rick_h_> naw, sorry, that's left over. I should remove that <brousch> i see, that's his original <rick_h_> yea <rick_h_> I updated it to use argparse, etc <rick_h_> to left a orig around while I killed it <brousch> very useful <rick_h_> yea, check out modern-package-template <brousch> i don't think i've ever gone as far as making something a real python package <rick_h_> anyway, once you do this you can sudo pip install mypackage <rick_h_> and then get a command line tool mypackage to run <rick_h_> I've started doing it for all kinds of tools so it's eaiser to script/use them <rick_h_> tab completion, etc <brousch> yeah, it makes sense <rick_h_> that might make a good CHC meeting thing sometime <brousch> if i use git, could i push to github and SF easily? <jrwren> someone should write software that moves any other source to github. so you can point it to sourceforge or googlecode, give it proj name and say "move to github" or "find on github" if soeone has already mirrored <rick_h_> brousch: yes, you can setup two remotes <rick_h_> and an alias that pushes to both <brousch> it just occurred to me that this is a perfect project for python3 <brousch> few dependencies, and by the time i get to the web gui there should be some python3 options <brousch> ok, so which comes first, cloning the empty repo to create the project, or paster command to create modern-package-template? <brousch> i suppose clone, then create inside that dir <rick_h_> right <rick_h_> you could just clone your existing repo, do the paster command, move your files around and start fitting into place <brousch> i think i got that now <brousch> now to edit some of the boilerplate files <rick_h_> yep <brousch> and to rebuild the egg and such? <rick_h_> yea, so once you get setup.py happy you can python setup.py develop <rick_h_> to load the dev version up so it keeps up to date <rick_h_> python setup.py sdist will create a .tar.gz that you can pip install locally <brousch> ok <brousch> oh crap, lunch is half over <jrwren> jcastro: your post on the fridge has a bullet "We now have a Weekly Meeting at 1800UTC on #ayatana on Freenode IRC if you feel like hanging with us and getting organized and ask questions" but does not say which day of week <jcastro> ooh <jcastro> fixing <jcastro> hah, that hasn't changed in months <jcastro> and no one noticed <jcastro> <3 attention to detail jayrwren <snap-l> I looked at it as well, but said "meh". ;) <rick_h_> snap-l: gets half a cookie, jrwren a full cookie! <snap-l> Meh, I don't think I deserve a cookie. :) <jrwren> i just read jcastro links. <jrwren> that is all. <jrwren> hrm... i think i am glad I don't work at MSFT https://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/387162426.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1314897500&Signature=S2Tu2FJpc5zwo2TgvP9GBmBQPW8%3D <jrwren> i don't want my office to look like that <snap-l> jrwren: glad someone does. ;) <snap-l> jrwren: Hahahahahahahahaha <snap-l> It keeps out the bad thoughts, though <snap-l> Not to mention the minimal RF interference from the computers. ;) <jrwren> yup. <snap-l> God, that reminds me of an old photo <snap-l> http://gallery.cinciclassic.org/main.php?g2_itemId=1171 <snap-l> We had to wrap the newer consoles because something was generating enough RF to make them all act wonky. <The_Machine> any of you guys know cisco stuff well? Like ASA 5000 series devices? <snap-l> I know crisco better than cisco <brousch> i am familiar with Cpt Sisko. Does that help? <brousch> snap-l: i'm trying to recruit the guy you helped with the x120e efi issue into helping with the loco table at olf <brousch> due to your willingness to help and my light slathering of guilt, you may have a volunteer ;) <brousch> vim is growing on me <jrwren> gross, cut it off <brousch> i thought it was a symbiot, not a parasite! <jrwren> interesting <snap-l> brousch: Cool <snap-l> brousch: responded <brousch> holy crapinahat, it works. thanks rick_h_, i now have an installable package and command line program <brousch> i can even add it to pypi <brousch> somehow it even know to run with python3 <brousch> http://pypi.python.org/pypi?%3Aaction=pkg_edit&name=pdfserenitynow <snap-l> nice! <snap-l> I haven't played with that at all <snap-l> though that's a dream when I actually have some working code to push out <_stink_> yeah, modern-package-template made work much easier for me <brousch> hah, it pip-installs <brousch> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pdfserenitynow/0.1 <brousch> i am 1337 <snap-l> uh oh <snap-l> power just went out <snap-l> OK, powering down. <CrusaderAD> Hey anyone here testing the new beta? <_stink_> i'm still on 10.04 :P <brousch> rick_h_: shouldn't your python inliner thing require argparse? <CrusaderAD> _stink_: unity hater? <rick_h_> brousch: it's built into python 2.7 <rick_h_> ruh roh, no snapl, this could make a podcast interesting tonight <rick_h_> brousch: sweet! congrats on your first package <brousch> yeah, but for python 2.6? <rick_h_> sol? :P <brousch> very nice! <rick_h_> yea, for lower than 2.7 you'd have to install argparse <rick_h_> which can be added to the setup.py requires <CrusaderAD> you guys know of any good tutorials on python? like simple hello world stuff? <brousch> so should that be in the setup.py requires section? <rick_h_> yea, I'm not sure how to do it dependant on the python version though <brousch> CrusaderAD: print("Hello, World!") <rick_h_> sure there must be some way <CrusaderAD> brousch: is python good for gui stuff? <brousch> rick_h_: darn, it's not smart enough to realize argparse is already part of python3.2. it downloads and installs it <brousch> CrusaderAD: as good as anything else <rick_h_> brousch: yea, that's what I was saying. Need some way to specify the check <brousch> i was hoping it would be smart enough to check that <rick_h_> actually, I guess it'd be easy <rick_h_> you'd just add an if block on setup.py to change the install_requires list based on the current python verion <rick_h_> version <rick_h_> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6080646/install-requires-in-setup-py-depending-on-installed-python-version <rick_h_> for example <brousch> hm, could do a different setup.py for 2.6 <rick_h_> well < python 2.7 in my case <rick_h_> but yea <brousch> darn your google foo <rick_h_> hey, well I thought of it first, then found the example :P <brousch> awesome, it worked <brousch> i forget that kind of thing is python, so you can do whatever to it <brousch> aparently argparse is not in python3 or 3.1, so it was a litte more difficult <rick_h_> ah, yea <brousch> probably cleanest to start with a requires for all versions, then append the special requirements for each different version <brousch> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/400/ <rick_h_> yea, aweomse <rick_h_> thanks <rick_h_> prepping for podcast now, but will try it out later <rick_h_> I've run into that with another thing a co-worker grabbed today <rick_h_> so something I should have been looking to do before #ubuntu-us-mi 2011-09-02 <brousch> i'm trying to get 0.2 out the door tonight <rick_h_> :) <brousch> small improvements <brousch> pushed it. this is too much fun <rick_h_> ruh roh, he's got the bug now <brousch> yeah, and tomorrow is my wedding anniversary, so i probably won't be able to touch it ;) <rick_h_> welcome to life hacking on OSS in your spare time <rick_h_> why I do weekly status reports, helps remind me I did get some progress each week <snap-l> rick_h_: Got power back <snap-l> firing up the rig <rick_h_> k, doing interview <jcastro> hey snap-l <jcastro> do the dalek voices stay irritating throughout dr. who? <jcastro> finishing up S01 right now <snap-l> Yes, but they don't show up much <jcastro> this first season is dorkfest <snap-l> Blame 1960s recording for those voices <snap-l> give it time <jcastro> it''s very much like TNG's horrible first season <jcastro> I can tell it will be good <jcastro> I like cheesy <snap-l> once you get to Tennant, it'll be awesome <jcastro> is that an episode? <snap-l> That's an actor <snap-l> David Tennant <jcastro> is the tardis sound from the 60s? <snap-l> 10th doctor <jcastro> it sounds like it <snap-l> yep <jcastro> oh <jcastro> he's coming up <jcastro> he looks very british <snap-l> It's a piano board <jcastro> is he the fan fave or something? <snap-l> yes, he's scottish <snap-l> he's just a damn good actor <snap-l> (The tardis sound is a piano string slowed down with some effects) <jcastro> ah <snap-l> But yeah, that's a classic sound. <snap-l> If you really like cheese, try the Tom Baker episodes once you've gotten in to the David Tennant doctor <snap-l> The Key of Time is especially wonky. <jcastro> is he the 11th? <snap-l> Matt Smith is 11. <snap-l> David Tennant is 10 <jcastro> I am watching 9 turn into 10 right now <snap-l> and you'll want to watch Tennant before watching Matt Smith <snap-l> Ah, good <jcastro> how come this dude was only around for one season <jcastro> I kind of like him <snap-l> so you're beyond Bad Wolf, etc? <snap-l> I don't think they expected it to continue <jcastro> I am ending bad wolf <jcastro> last episode of S01 <jcastro> oh, looks like the doctor just had light coming out of his mouth <snap-l> Yea, that was good, but it gets better <jcastro> not dying <snap-l> regeneration <snap-l> (long story) <jcastro> yeah I am familiar with it <jcastro> I thought they were going into that <jcastro> but it was something else <jcastro> he's still #9 so far <jcastro> I am conflicted though <jcastro> I only noticed "Bad Wolf" in one episode up to this point <jcastro> which means now I have to freaking go back and find them all <snap-l> Too bad you're not in MI <snap-l> I have S1-5 on DVD <snap-l> er, 1-4 <snap-l> S5 is Matt Smith, and I don't have that yet. <jcastro> oh ok, now he regenned <jcastro> lol this guy is way more english <snap-l> jcastro: Let me know when you start buying Tardises on thinkgeek <snap-l> because it will happen <jcastro> heh <jcastro> I already asked the uk team for pics of them in tardises <jcastro> http://visualcrack.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/dr_who_tennant_narrowweb__300x4300.jpg <jcastro> lol <jcastro> tell me that isn't the most english thing you've ever seen ^ <snap-l> Oh totally <jcastro> hey <jcastro> is it the same dude when he regens? <jcastro> or just a new body? <snap-l> New dude <snap-l> new personality <snap-l> but same person <jcastro> oh ok <jcastro> so each one is unique, but still the same <jcastro> like Dax. :) <snap-l> yeah <snap-l> *sigh* like dax <jcastro> heh <jcastro> so in the real world <jcastro> do they change the doctor like when they want to refresh the show? <snap-l> Actor changes <jcastro> right <jcastro> so is it like "so and so wants to move on, new doctor time" <jcastro> or is it "ratings sucking, people are getting sick of this guy, new blood time." <jcastro> like, if they would have said "same TNG, just no more picard, new captain", we would have rioted in the streets <jcastro> though, I suppose with this show it's expected to have new doctors <snap-l> Nah, more like actor wants to move on <jcastro> snap-l: man, it's like I found a whole new world to play in <snap-l> initially it was because the first doctor just got too old to continue <snap-l> yep <jcastro> also <jcastro> see my last blog <jcastro> and get yourself some bon scott <snap-l> That good, eh? <snap-l> rick_h_: http://getsatisfaction.com/kobo/topics/kobos_are_a_bad_deal <rick_h_> lol <snap-l> Right between the eyes <Blazeix> snap-l: well written post! 'Darrel' is pretty ballsy to just copy-paste 'pls to be giving me ticket number.' <snap-l> Thanks. <snap-l> I think 'Darrel' is likely an outsourced person who got stuck with a bad situation <jcastro> what's a kobo? <snap-l> eBook reader platform similar to Kindle <snap-l> they have iOS readers as well as eBook hardware <jcastro> are they epubs or what? <snap-l> Yeah, they are <snap-l> Used to be partnered with Borders <snap-l> Good morning <snap-l> http://ryanbigg.com/2010/12/ubuntu-ruby-rvm-rails-and-you/ <snap-l> "Under no circumstance should you install Ruby, Rubygems or any Ruby-related packages from apt-get. This system is out-dated and leads to major headaches. Avoid it for Ruby-related packages. We do Ruby, we know what's best. Trust us. <brousch> heh <brousch> understandable <snap-l> Yeah, I'm cleaning out the ruby packages <snap-l> may give things a go under rvm to see what happens <snap-l> I mean, it's not their fault. I don't use .debs for python, save to bootstrap virtualenv <Wolfger> Morning. <Wolfger> Yeah, apt-get fails sometimes.... <Wolfger> on the other hand, they could run their own repository and allow people to apt-get the "good stuff". <snap-l> Of course, this really makes me nervous: <snap-l> With git-core and curl installed weâll be able to install RVM with this command: <snap-l> bash < <(curl -s https://rvm.beginrescueend.com/install/rvm) <snap-l> Yeah, this is getting done in a VM first <snap-l> I'm writing up a little blog post about this <rick_h_> cool, I keep thinking of playing with some ruby and messing with rvm/bundler <snap-l> Well, it's going to be a little inflammatory. :) <snap-l> Mostly "please package this" <snap-l> Ho boy. <snap-l> rvm install 1.8 <snap-l> essentially does curl to download .. <snap-l> curl: (78) RETR response: 550 <snap-l> ERROR: The requested url does not exist: 'ftp://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/1.8/ruby-1.8-.tar.bz2' <snap-l> Starting to think Python developers are rocket scientists by comparison. :) <snap-l> it is cool though that you can use different versions of ruby <ColonelPanic001> 'morning <_stink_> hi <snap-l> blergh, who ordered the humidity? <jjesse> i couldn't believe how hot it was last night when i went for my run at 7pm <snap-l> Yeah, I'd believe it <ColonelPanic001> high of 67 on Monday. <ColonelPanic001> 98 today, 67 Monday <ColonelPanic001> I listened to the raido and did this: >:-| >:-| :-\ ... :D * ColonelPanic001 is an artist <snap-l> heh <Wolfger> Monday is going to be beautiful <snap-l> OK, I have to recant <snap-l> RVM is beautiful <snap-l> the install makes my ops side twitch like crazy, but using it is nice. <snap-l> and bundler is pretty sweet <snap-l> It's a little slow, though <snap-l> And by little slow, I mean on the order of minutes. <Wolfger> That's slow. I don't think anything has taken "minutes" since the last time I booted XP ;-) <rick_h_> snap-l: http://blog.dynatrace.com/2011/09/02/how-server-side-performance-affects-mobile-user-experience/ <rick_h_> exactly part of what I was chatting about last night <snap-l> rick_h_: Oh, no doubt <rick_h_> love that, mobile site takes longer for the phone than the non-mobile lol <snap-l> streamlining to one request is going to be good no matter how you slice it <rick_h_> well I mean the one domain vs multiple domains <snap-l> That too <rick_h_> using a static.xxx and such is a big win <snap-l> Wasn't arguing against djennings@example.org. :) <rick_h_> just thought it was funny to see an article right after our lococast chat <snap-l> heh <rick_h_> kind of cool, been getting better uverse speeds with the tv service off <Wolfger> makes sense <jrwren> snap-l: saw your tweet about ruby pkgs. <jrwren> I'm torn on this issue. <jrwren> IMO rvm and gem works so well, I don't see the point in solving the problem. <jrwren> I'm not even sure ruby should be packaged for ubuntu <jrwren> that said, what if I want to run on a system w/o compiler, or a cpu memory contrained system where compiler is not practical. <jrwren> I guess ruby is too slow and bloated to run on a cpu&memory contrained system. ;p <snap-l> jrwren: Well, it's the same with python and Perl <snap-l> They have their own repos that they like to use <snap-l> I'm also once again having fun trying to get postgresql to work with Ruby. <jrwren> not exactly teh same, since the distro itself uses TONS of python and perl <jrwren> i don't know that ubuntu uses ruby itself. <jrwren> .. <jrwren> does anyone who is coming to the jam tomorrow have some shrink tubing that they could bring and sell to me? I need as small as possible <snap-l> jrwren: It doesn't, but you can install it if needed <snap-l> And this is where we remember that installing a database adapter in Ruby is a severe pain in the ass <jrwren> is it? <jrwren> i just gem install mysql :p <snap-l> gem uninstall jrwren <snap-l> Hm, still here. <snap-l> huzzah! I have tracks again <_stink_> so what was the key? getting rid of all packaged ruby? <snap-l> yes <jrwren> lame. <jrwren> so you are all rvm now? <snap-l> Well, and using RVM <jrwren> hilarious! <snap-l> yep <jrwren> so... what is the right thing for ubuntu in general? <snap-l> In general? get someone to update the gem packages in a more timely fashion <snap-l> Good luck with that <jrwren> well, perhaps WE should do that? <jrwren> or maybe there is a ruby ppa that makes a good rvm alternative? <snap-l> I know that redhat / fedora have a pretty nice way to package up Python eggs as RPMs <snap-l> maybe if there was a scripted and repeatable way to create gem packages <jrwren> i'm sure there is. <jrwren> i know deb has it for cpan modules and eggs. <snap-l> Also would help if the Rub community wasn't so mac centric where packaging is essentially brew or macports <jrwren> there has to be some good debian pattern and tools for ruby gems <jrwren> no, its not brew and djennings@example.org. its all rvm and gem from source. <snap-l> jrwren: What I meant was that brew and macports are used just to lay the groundwork to install the gems <jrwren> and ruby community is still 99% deploy onto linux. The Mac stuff is just for the dev env. <jrwren> ah yeah, brew and macports for the C deps <snap-l> _stink_: also I ran into trouble with my old tracks install <snap-l> _stink_: I installed new, and redid the config files <_stink_> it's been a while since i used tracks. there's a reliable export/import? <_stink_> i would guess so. <snap-l> I'm not sure <snap-l> I just have evening backups of postgresql to help be be bold. ;) <_stink_> heh, phew. <_stink_> unless you use each reinstall as a chance to cut stuff from your list. <snap-l> Nah, I just do a db:migrate and hope things don't blow up <snap-l> and if they do, i grab a backup. ;) <_stink_> i would love it if my todo list blew up :P <snap-l> what will be interesting is to see how this will work for a reboot <snap-l> _stink_: trust me, you wouldn't <_stink_> i guess that's why i should do the weekly review <snap-l> _stink_: It's not like it all goes away <snap-l> _stink_: ahem... (wheels out the soapbox) if you're not doing the weekly review, you're not doing GTD. <_stink_> i confess fully that i'm not doing GTD :) <_stink_> i use multiple tags! <snap-l> Of course, if you're blowing up your system on a weekly basis, you're not doing GTD either. <_stink_> hehe <Wolfger> "doing getting"? I think you've inserted a superfluous verb there... <snap-l> "Getting Things Done" is a trademark for the system. <Wolfger> Ah, I see. <Wolfger> I rather disagree with allowing a sentence fragment that describes a process to be trademarked, but since when did IP lawyers start listening to me? :-p <Wolfger> ...and nixternal shows up on the front page of a Google search for that sentence fragment. LOL <Wolfger> Shawn Powers too <snap-l> Only my random album mix could go from Herbie Hancock to The Faceless <snap-l> blergh... time to relocate to the bedroom <rick_h_> heat is rising <snap-l> Yeah, it is <snap-l> damn scammers <snap-l> apparently if you put your resume on monster.com, you'll get nothing but boiler-room scams <krondor> snap-l: are you interested in a career change? work from home, be your own boss, flexible hours, no limit to your earning! <snap-l> even better: we need your bank account numbe for direct deposit (and withdrawl) <gamerchick02> Monster, Careerbuilder, etc. they all attract scams. <snap-l> Yeah, I'm glad I removed my stuff from there <gamerchick02> i get porn spam from them, seriously. <gamerchick02> i did too. well, i have an account, but there's nothing in it *creepy woo-woo noises* <snap-l> Wow, that's awesome <snap-l> was it at least good porn spam? <gamerchick02> no. it was strange porn spam <gamerchick02> this was several years ago though. <gamerchick02> i get more stiffy pill spam now though <snap-l> Might come in handy someday; you never know. <snap-l> (note: not really) <gamerchick02> hehe <nullspace> silly script of the day http://se7enlabs.org/img_swril.js <Blazeix> nice <_stink_> damnit. anyone know of a desktop jabber client that supports anonymous logins? empathy and pidgin don't afaict. <ColonelPanic001> no <_stink_> :( <rick_h_> Blazeix: ahhh! http://techcrunch.com/2011/09/02/amazon-kindle-tablet/ <rick_h_> "As far as the existing e-ink-based Kindles, all Iâve heard is that theyâll continue to co-exist with this new tablet (though the DX may or may not stick around). " <Blazeix> "Amazon has been working on a multi-touch screen/e-ink hybrid tablet device. But thatâs nowhere near completion, Iâm told." <rick_h_> yea, I've heard that there are some devices testing that out <Blazeix> I'm sure they'll keep e-ink around, but I hope they have another release between now and that rumored device. <rick_h_> but the thicknesses/tricks involved is a bit crazy <rick_h_> and the price of dual displays in there... <rick_h_> jrwren: looks like I will be out tomorrow <rick_h_> if you can still bring out my power cord <rick_h_> that's be grat <rick_h_> great that is <rick_h_> http://techcrunch.com/2011/09/02/video-der-kritzler-an-automatic-scribbling-machine/ kind of cool arduino #ubuntu-us-mi 2011-09-03 <snap-l> Well, that was fun <rick_h_> snap-l: power? <rick_h_> snap-l: heading to AA tomorrow <rick_h_> you carpooling? <snap-l> rick_h_: Yeah, we can carpool if you want <snap-l> JoDee and I are heading down <snap-l> around 10:45am <rick_h_> I'm fuzzy on when I'm leaving still. Want to do the farmer's market with the boy and such and probably won't be back until 10ish <rick_h_> ok cool, might just squeeze there <snap-l> Farmers in Royal Oak, or farmers elsewhere? <rick_h_> here local <snap-l> OK, because Royal Oak, is a clusterbleep <rick_h_> every sat we take the boy to the farmer's market and there's a community part next to it <rick_h_> so we end up hitting htat at 8, parking it until 9-10 <rick_h_> ok cool, will ping you tomorrow <rick_h_> /out <snap-l> That's cool <snap-l> laterness * snap-l is downloading beta images for tomorrow <Blazeix> rick_h_: have you seen http://vimeo.com/yayquery/videos ? <Blazeix> some cool JS videos, like jquery mobile, backbone.js, etc <rick_h_> Blazeix: no, hadn't seen those <rick_h_> will check them out <brousch> sorry i won't get to hang out today <snap-l> WE be jammin <rick_h_> party <snap-l> DOing the upgrade again <snap-l> woo woo <jjesse> hows the bug jam these days? <snap-l> Well, I installed Oneiric on my laptop <jjesse> and do you love it? <snap-l> Meh, there's some bugs <snap-l> banshee is fucked. <jjesse> that sucks <jjesse> my netbook won't boot :( <snap-l> Ugh <jjesse> 3rd install finally sucesful on m y netbook <jjesse> boo <snap-l> Has anyone gotten Banshee running? <jjesse> i can't get online on my beta copy, getting some wierd message about the version of networkmanager bieng wrong <snap-l> nice <jjesse> awesome need restricted drivers to get wifi to work and someone in #kubuntu-devel just pointed me to a .deb file i have to download to get the fix <jjesse> and i can't get online on wired due to the problem not right version of network manager <jjesse> bug #838099 has been fixed but no way to download fix :( <snap-l> Lovely <snap-l> OK, packing up <snap-l> see you guys later! <snap-l> I did not realize vistaprint was in livonia <snap-l> I would not have ordered the 7 day shipping for extra $$ #ubuntu-us-mi 2011-09-04 <brousch> ahahahahahahha <brousch> they will strap it to a turtle to make sure it arrives on time <snap-l> Well, that's what I figured <snap-l> and also thought it was priority mail, not UPS <snap-l> priority mail would show up whenever <snap-l> UPS would send it to the moon so it arriveson day 24 <snap-l> Hang on to your hats <snap-l> It's windy out there. <_stink_> lightning is putting on quite a show, too <snap-l> WEll, something is on fire by us <snap-l> I unplugged everything <snap-l> still have power, but damn <snap-l> saw green arcs in the sky <_stink_> yeah, green all over <_stink_> we were just driving back from Target on Coolidge, so coming south <_stink_> toward it <_stink_> crazy show <snap-l> Wow. <snap-l> Yeah, I'm hoping that folks are OK <_stink_> looks like the worst stayed south <snap-l> Yeah, we have some downed lines <snap-l> fortunately we still have power <_stink_> good <_stink_> there is this ominous tree in our backyard that we badly need to remove <snap-l> yipes <brousch> we've had nothing all day <_stink_> ruh roh <_stink_> hope that wasn't his power <brousch> hehe <rick_h_> doh <_stink_> snap-l: thought that might've been your power. <snap-l> Nah, we're fine. <snap-l> Didn't lose power, fortunately. <snap-l> Finishing up the lococast. <snap-l> Ugh, too early, and no sleep <rick_h_> ugh, no sleep? <snap-l> Low levels because of allergies <snap-l> Uploading lococast to dropbox <snap-l> Gave it a quick listen, will listen in the car to see if there's any major boo-boos <snap-l> rick_h_: ^^ <rick_h_> snap-l: cool, thanks for the heads up <rick_h_> will try to get it a listen <brousch> icloud on amazon? bwahahahahah http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/02/icloud_runs_on_microsoft_azure_and_amazon/ <brousch> azure! <rick_h_> heh, did you doubt? <rick_h_> not like it's going to run on apple xserve :) <brousch> i assumed a bsd <brousch> or linux <rick_h_> well ec2 is linux <rick_h_> I am curious what azure stuff... <rick_h_> snap-l: sounds good here <rick_h_> strange listening to myself while at the gym <rick_h_> some kind of meta stuff there <rick_h_> anyone want to buy a http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/en104bl.html in black? <rick_h_> $50 <brousch> rick_h_: gym and diet? <brousch> you're gonna be lean and mean <rick_h_> brousch: heh, will settle for "better" <jrwren> icloud? apples? <jrwren> if it runs on azure and amazon, wtf are those huge apple datacenters for? <rick_h_> well I tohght there was only one huge datacenter <jrwren> true. <jrwren> that article said striped over the two. i'll bet its more like same data on both, so that they can leverage the other for cost. <rick_h_> and is that officially online? I guess I kept hearing it was close, but never heard it got started <jrwren> "MSFT is cheaper, lower your price" while at the same time "AMZN is cheaper, lower your price" <rick_h_> yea, well I'm guessing it's not going to rely on one for everything <jrwren> and being able to move to one or the other instantly is a lot of leverage <rick_h_> even to be able to start out like this, make it compatible with your own DC, and as you need to scale can leverage outside sources <rick_h_> slow down the need for a second DC <brousch> i just love the idea of icloud hosted by microsoft <jrwren> rick_h_: exactly. it sounds like a great strategy. its nice to see someone using that strat, instead of all-in with a single vendor. <snap-l> rick_h_: Awesome. Yeah, sounded OK in the car to me <snap-l> playlist is updated <rick_h_> heh cool <rick_h_> just got up the post <rick_h_> will add that in then <snap-l> I mean it's the same one that was uploaded <snap-l> no changes since this AM <snap-l> Just got back from Put-In-Bay <snap-l> man, that whole town is dedicated to boats and alcohol. :) <rick_h_> sounds good <rick_h_> yea sorry, was lookiung in the show notes <rick_h_> ok, so want me to push tonight? <rick_h_> or wait? <rick_h_> snap-l: really like the music this time around <snap-l> Thanks. :) <snap-l> rick_h_: I say just push it. <snap-l> We can promote it later if you want <rick_h_> I put it all out <snap-l> Coolness <snap-l> Love the photo. :) <rick_h_> cool <snap-l> Definitely check out Lorenzo's music <snap-l> It's Tom Ray (of Music Manumit) <snap-l> OK, off to eat. bbl. #ubuntu-us-mi 2011-09-05 <Wolfger> <taptaptap>Is this thing on?</taptaptap> <rick_h_> nope <Wolfger> Oh, I see how the reign of snap-l is going to go... monthly meetings not happening, etc... ;-) <jrwren> is it a month? <snap-l> Oh shit <snap-l> I completely forgot <snap-l> I apologize for that. <snap-l> Anyone opposed to rescheduling? <snap-l> Just sent a note to the mailing list <snap-l> awaiting the "off with 'is 'ead" <jjesse> were we suppose to meet tonight? <snap-l> Yes <snap-l> I completely forgot <jjesse> oops <snap-l> Wolfger: Thanks for the reminder, though <snap-l> Also, if anyone has another blog post to add re: the Jam, please feel free to add it <brousch> snap-l: Please add to the next meeting's agenda: Recall and vote of no confidence re. snap-l <snap-l> brousch: Thanks. :-P <jrwren> i'm getting terrible audio artifacting when using ffmpeg to encode aac. my audio bitrate is 128k, i'm using version from natty. anyone run into this? <jrwren> snap-l: did you see my jam blogpost? <brousch> jrwren: using libfaac? <brousch> from medibuntu? <brousch> snap-l: :D <brousch> ftr, i was asleep on the couch when the meeting was supposed to occur <snap-l> brousch: I was sitting at the computer finding music for OMC. * snap-l is lame <jrwren> brousch: it might be. <jrwren> i didn't see ffmpeg linked against it. <jrwren> maybe through avfilter? <jrwren> brousch: I don't think it is medibuntu. the libfaac0 package says its MOTU so I htink its from universe. <jrwren> great, -acodec copy didn't work. <jrwren> lol, it was 5.1 at 128k, lolz. <jrwren> lets try going to 2 channels. <jrwren> i wonder HOW it goes to 2 channels. <brousch> jrwren: i see that sometimes. the aac produced from apple or some device is just different enough from the libfaac that the copy doesn't work. i don't understand things at that level so i just throw up my hands and re-encode it <snap-l> Anyone opposed to meeting on wednesday around 10am? <snap-l> This is probably not the best time to ask this. :) <rick_h_> lol <snap-l> Posted it to the list as well <snap-l> I know some folks can't make it during work hours, but it seems the core is active during the day. <_stink_> snap-l: i can make that, +1 <snap-l> Cool, thanks. :) <snap-l> Does anyone else have a feed that is dedicated to the Michigan Loco? <snap-l> I just signed up a category under my blog to add to the locoteams planet <brousch> i do <brousch> i have a tag anyways <snap-l> Can you make a feed of that? <brousch> yeah, it's just wordpress <brousch> http://clusterbleep.net/blog/category/ubuntu-michigan/ <brousch> http://clusterbleep.net/blog/category/ubuntu-michigan/feed/ <snap-l> Go ahead and add it to the loco directory page <snap-l> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoPortalFeeds <brousch> how strict are they about content? i tend to put that on anything linux or python or that mentions ubuntu michigan group at all <snap-l> I think they're looking for something more focused on the locos themselves. <brousch> i'll just be more selective then <rick_h_> darn, missed nixternal <rick_h_> greg-g: get off vacation and talk bikes with me :O <rick_h_> :P <brousch> ut oh <brousch> the research begins? <rick_h_> yea, derailer problems and thinking of trying to use this as the excuse to the wife <rick_h_> just got back from a ride at a park here and 3 times it didn't want to change righht for me, grinding noises, jumping 2 gears finally after a bit <rick_h_> the thing is > 10years old <rick_h_> so not like it's a recent purchase gone bad <rick_h_> but holy crap are there a ton of bike options out there now <jjesse> i still like my huffy w/ a banna seat and spoke dokes <rick_h_> anyone know who else besides trek I sohuld be checking out? <brousch> yeah, i use a huffy i bought at walmart for $60 in 1994 <brousch> 4 of 10 gears work <jjesse> the house next to me is abadonded and there is a mountain bike in the back yard <jjesse> if anyone wants it :) <brousch> Last night I dreamed that I learned Ruby because that's what all the cool jobs in West MI use <rick_h_> hah <rick_h_> I decided I wanted to try to do an app on heroku <rick_h_> so was debating between ruby/node.js <brousch> :'( <rick_h_> so trying out express frameowrk on node.js. I've got a pair of node.js services at work <rick_h_> but will be my first real web framework type app on it <rick_h_> hey it's nixternal <rick_h_> dude, what are you up to? <nixternal> that isn't saying much <nixternal> damn, wasn't in a screen when i hit the close button to switch terms <rick_h_> hah <rick_h_> you coming to OLF? <nixternal> nope <rick_h_> booo, you still hanging in chi-town? <nixternal> yes sir #ubuntu-us-mi 2011-09-06 <brousch> nixternal: does ubuntu-chicago have meetings? <rick_h_> nixternal: what bike did you run? You still riding? <greg-g> bikes? someone said bikes? <rick_h_> greg-g: !!! <rick_h_> dude <rick_h_> halp! <rick_h_> I'm in bike overload <greg-g> :) <greg-g> I'm on a plane, laggy laggy <rick_h_> ouch <rick_h_> I think I'm down to the trek 7.2, 7.3, or fast city/wingra <rick_h_> going to hit the shop tomorrow and try to see if they have any of those to ride <greg-g> nice <rick_h_> my poor old 10+yr old GT aggressor isn't keeping up and having derailor issues. <rick_h_> especially with the boy on the trailer <rick_h_> is there another comparable brand I shuold be making sure I compare against? <rick_h_> I checked schwinn, seems a bit cheaper all around <rick_h_> diamondback, website was a pita to use <snap-l> schwinn is essentially a chinese bike manufacturer <snap-l> I believe they make all of the mongoose, huffy, and schwinn bikes <rick_h_> k, I wasn't feeling all warm/fuzzy when I checked <rick_h_> the diamondback seems like it might be cool, but not really sure <rick_h_> not as much info as trek <greg-g> rick_h_: Lemond. Made by trek, but cheaper. Kinda like the GMC/Chevy difference. <rick_h_> greg-g: looking, thanks! <rick_h_> hmm, seeing stuff on a lawsuit in 2009 and no bikes <rick_h_> just some excercise gear <greg-g> rick_h_: huh! I didn't know! :) <snap-l> jrwren: I added your blog post to the team report. <nixternal> rick_h_: if you get the wingra cheap enough go for it, or wait a few more weeks and pick up a Trek 7.3FX (I have one, awesome bike!). The 2012 Trek's come out soon and last years models will drop about $100 <nixternal> snap-l: schwinn is owned by pacifica, which is the same company that makes all of those bike you said plus they also make Cannondale lower end frames <nixternal> brousch: ubuntu-chicago hasn't had a meeting in a while. well they have had them, i just don't go to them <nixternal> greg-g: LeMond is no longer. Greg and Trek had a fall out years ago <nixternal> Trek has a lifetime warranty on their frames, their bikes are good. The 7.3FX is made in Taiwan I think, but that is no biggy anymore. Also, you want to build a good relation with the shop you choose <Wolfger> morning, party people <brousch> in the place to be <rick_h_> yay for broken work network connections to liven up the day <brousch> go home and work <snap-l> rick_h_: That's the beauty of holiday weekends: something always breaks <rick_h_> yea, and holiday returns...helpdesk isn't in yet. Must be taking the late bus into work today <brousch> is that a short bus? <snap-l> brousch: Hey now. IT folks gotta get to work somehow. ;) <rick_h_> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/k6c8z/guis_kick_clis_asses/ <rick_h_> I'm afraid to click <rick_h_> not sure if I'm ready to contain the rage this early :P <Wolfger> do it <Wolfger> release the beast <brousch> rick_h_: you are just ignorant about good guis <brousch> rick_h_: don't go there. it is idiotic <rick_h_> crap, too late <rick_h_> *sigh* <brousch> sorry man, i tried to save you <rick_h_> g<tab><space>co<space>m<tab><enter> or g<space>com if you're a rock start <rick_h_> and he forgets the fact that he's got to open/get his damn gui to that place he can use his 6 keypresses <rick_h_> bah, C-w, C-w!!!! <_stink_> hah, http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/k6c8z/guis_kick_clis_asses/c2htw87 <Wolfger> 'âBut wait,â the Vim fanboy cries, âhow the hell could a GUI have anything close to a âhighâ speed rating?â' <Wolfger> ...seems like he's talked to rick_h_ :-) <rick_h_> I'm replying, once second <rick_h_> ok, reply entered <_stink_> second? <brousch> it would only take half a second to reply if you were doing it via gui <jcastro> man, awesome <jcastro> snap-l: did you read this "techcrunch may be over" blog? <rick_h_> jcastro: :) wouldn't that be great <rick_h_> I thnk it's just the rise of MG though <jcastro> http://techcrunch.com/2011/09/06/the-end/ <jcastro> yeah <jcastro> I wouldn't miss that guy <rick_h_> I mean, he's the only flame-bait up there to bring in clicks now <rick_h_> everyone else to to reasonable <jcastro> he's the revisionist maclot snap-l aspires to be <rick_h_> I'm pretty sure I saw at least 3 posters when I was there before the jam this weekend <Wolfger> _stink_: I ++'d that comment. Thanks for the link to it. :-) <_stink_> o/ <rick_h_> crap he replied and more nonsense came out <rick_h_> I need to just close it <brousch> you can't close it without cd'ing to the directory where the binary is * rick_h_ is resisting urge to send workit link, link to pyohio talk on building dev environments, noting every damn tool out there that bootstraps envs uses cmd line... <brousch> sounds like a lot of work <rick_h_> yea, and if I shortcut git to g it might conflict with a lot of other programs named g <snap-l> jcastro: Did you seriously compare me with Mike Arrington? <jcastro> no, MG Siegler. <snap-l> brb, have to start my compost pile to give you when you return <jcastro> :D <snap-l> I never like seeing a founder leave their company after a takeover <snap-l> but frankly, Techcrunch did it to themselves by partnering with AOL <snap-l> AOL is about as "don't get it" as you can get. <rick_h_> I think that starting your own VC company when you're a news source is about as "don't get it" as you can get <snap-l> I envision someone took a stroll through the mail-room, spied a pile of Infoworld magazines, and saw "Techcrunch" on one of the labels and exclaimed "What the hell is a Techcrunch?" <snap-l> and then filed everyone into their office for a proper dress-down <snap-l> rick_h_: that too <rick_h_> "I'm sick of interviewing rich kids who are bound to make more $$ than me, let's start our own VC fund and then they can grovel like the kids they are!" <snap-l> Jesus, this blog entry is pretty myopic <snap-l> the GUI vs. CLI <snap-l> Use both, and STFU <snap-l> I wouldn't want to set my system volume from a pulse-audio command, and I wouldn't want to try onboarding an entire datacenter from a GUI <snap-l> well, I would love to onboard an entire datacenter with a single button called "do it, and do it right" <jjesse> if i have the jobs and task structure built right then i'll build a data center from a gui <jjesse> drag job stream to stack of computers, go to lunch, profit <snap-l> but if we're being unrealistic, I'd love to shout that command to my magickal flying Pegasus while soaring through the datacenter on a rainbow-colored highway of dreams. <jjesse> i'm not bein unrealistic <snap-l> jjesse: And when one errors out? <jjesse> depends on if you can build jobs and tasks around whatever return code you are receiving <snap-l> Also, what's happening in the background? Is it just using command-line when you're not looking? :) <jjesse> depends on what stage of the game i'm running <snap-l> exactly <jjesse> hard to run in GUI when you are operating in a pre-boot environment <brousch> i understand what the geeker means about seeing more in a GUI. but i've come to realize most of what you're seeing is useless noise 90% of the time <brousch> dozens of buttons i don't need or don't need right now, folder hierarchies i don't care about until i want to open a different file, class hierarchies i don't ever actually look at <Wolfger> right <brousch> but for some reason having those things makes me feel better than not having them. i cannot explain why <Wolfger> if I want to see all that in a CLI, I can. In fact, I usually *do* run ls before I cp or mv <Wolfger> where GUI rules is when I don't know what I'm looking for. It's easier to browse <ch0use> so has anyone built a set of load-balanced apache web servers using ipvs or crossroads or something? <ch0use> ala http://www.ultramonkey.org/papers/lvs_tutorial/html/ <ch0use> i have 2 identical ubunu webservers behind an ubuntu nat/router and currently port 80 is forwarding to one of them, but i want the router to balance across the two, bunch of virtualhost domain websites etc <rick_h_> ch0use: I'd just start out with dns round robin <rick_h_> if you need more than that, check out haproxy <ch0use> the rub of it is i only have 1 internet IP, so dns-rr isn't an option <ch0use> good game haproxy, will give it a look <rick_h_> right, but the router can have multiple
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