#ubuntu+1 2007-11-01 <Powerking89670> night all <mooper> http://rafb.net/p/OhGyDB40.html - why does my ssh do this? <kelsa|martalli> Hello? <kelsa|martalli> First post!1!1! <Froek> so if I installed one of the RC candidates for gutsy, and I do an update now will I be using the official release? <crdlb> Froek: that's a question for #ubuntu , and yes :) <Froek> isnt this the gutsy chan? <crdlb> not anymore <Froek> doh! :) <crdlb> now it's the Hardy chan :) <Froek> oooh ok.. i'm about 3 weeks behind <Froek> tx! #ubuntu+1 2007-11-02 <ailean> does hardy even exist yet? <LjL> ailean: not really... the toolchain is there, and i think they're starting to import packages from debian, but that would be about it <ailean> the topic suggests that there's something to work with :) <somerville32> ailean, Yes, it does exist. Feel free to upgrade but I doubt it'll work, lol <somerville32> (for long atleast) <ailean> i'll leave it a while :D <bazhang> 210 packages, 180MB or so <bmk789> wouldnt hurt to use it in a VM, test bugs and such <ailean> yeah, maybe . . . <billytwowilly> so how much awesome is hardy than gutsy so far? <Toma-> i doubt it even runs <billytwowilly> so I should wait an hour or two before updating? <Toma-> or even a month or 3 <bazhang> check out the proposed amy08@example.org <martalli> Is kde4 planned to be default for hardy kubuntu? <jimmygoon> I can't wait for Hardy... I can't wait for Hardy! <Sonicadvance1> Yo, what's are the repos for Hardy? <hydrogen> mm <Sonicadvance1> is it just hardy or heron? :P <hydrogen> martalli: no <hydrogen> Sonicadvance1: its the same as every other release <hydrogen> Sonicadvance1: if you do not know the answer based on that upgrading is a really bad idea <Sonicadvance1> I'm just trying to make sure! D:< <hydrogen> let me rephrase that <hydrogen> upgrading is a really bad idea <Sonicadvance1> A lot of choices in life are bad ideas <hydrogen> right <hydrogen> that doesn't mean you should make them <Sonicadvance1> sometimes you just have to <Sonicadvance1> :D <hydrogen> and the rest of the time it just makes you an idiot <Sonicadvance1> woo idiocy <martalli> hydrogen: Maybe it would be nicer just to remind people that early versions of any ubuntu+1 will be very unstable, with no guarantees of staility <martalli> s/staility/stability <hydrogen> martalli: thats what the topic is there for <Sonicadvance1> :D <hydrogen> I'm here for when the topic just isn't enough <Sonicadvance1> oh look, It's done installing all the packages <martalli> These days, apt-get is just a disappointment <martalli> Back before the final release, there were always new packages to install. Of course, now my audio works, so the trade off might be worthwhile * Sonicadvance1 breaks martalli's audio and runs <Sonicadvance1> Well, That was horrible :D <bazhang> installed it? <Sonicadvance1> Installed it, then reinstalled 7.10 :D <bazhang> haha <Sonicadvance1> X didn't work <Sonicadvance1> oh well <bazhang> no bulletproof X :{ <Sonicadvance1> :D <Sonicadvance1> I noticed <Sonicadvance1> failed when falling back on the failsafe X <Sonicadvance1> which made me laugh <bazhang> :} <bazhang> at least you could find some humor in it <databuddy> eh <Sonicadvance1> eh <databuddy> eehh <databuddy> eeeeehh <databuddy> XD <Sonicadvance1> :D <databuddy> so <databuddy> where can i find a link on how to creat a spec for migrating one package to another <Sonicadvance1> aw, now I need to reinstall libgpod :P <khermansen> is Xorg broken in hardy? <khermansen> i am getting conflicts <crdlb> probably <bazhang> early reports say yes <khermansen> :-( <khermansen> lets fix it! <crdlb> it's been like 2 weeks... <khermansen> ill help -- what can i do <bazhang> and failsafe x may fail <khermansen> failed to load modules vesa, and kbd <khermansen> interesting <khermansen> what is the loading process? <khermansen> and why did it fail? <Sonicadvance1> hehe <Sonicadvance1> early report from me! D:< <crdlb> come back in a month :) <khermansen> i think it is because xserver-xorg-core wont build <khermansen> and also xserver-xorg-input is also not available in repos <bazhang> had heard that tribe 1 will be end of this month <holzmodem> where can i request an update of one package (kdesvn) ? <bazhang> #ubuntu-dev? <Sonicadvance1> oo, tribe 1 at the end of the month? :D <lemo> i guess launchpad is good place to request also * crdlb wonders where all the patience went :( <holzmodem> i search thru launchpad, but i can't find any information about requesting updates of packages <lemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/attal/+bug/2596 - there's one request <ubotu> Launchpad bug 2596 in attal "Attal in Ubuntu is almost not playable, 4 new attal versions (0.9.3, 0.9.4, 0.10, 0.10.1) released, please update" [High,Fix released] <lemo> it's like normal bug request <`23meg> Hobbsee, ping ping <`23meg> should I recommend people to use "update-manager -d" to start testing development versions, or to change their sources.list? AFAIK update-manager doesn't start notifying about development versions until a certain phase; when exactly is that? <Hobbsee> `23meg: when it gets put in, i expect. cant see the point of putting it in yet, as testing is rather frought with danger atm. <Hobbsee> `23meg: either should work fine at this point. i havent seen much breakage yet - although there's X stuff that looks fun. <`23meg> Hobbsee, update-manager doesn't seem to be working atm <Hobbsee> `23meg: then, recommend the sources list. <`23meg> Hobbsee, I'm writing a "how to test" sticky for the forum, that will be up for the duration of the cycle <`23meg> hence my asking <Hobbsee> `23meg: don't do it till the autosyncs have finished, etc. <Hobbsee> `23meg: pepole will just hose their X, by forcibly dist-upgrading. <`23meg> Hobbsee, I know, I'll mention that <`23meg> Hobbsee, so either will work all along the cycle and are equally recommendable? <Hobbsee> `23meg: well, update-manager's sort of working now. <Hobbsee> `23meg: the other, of course, always works. <`23meg> Hobbsee, ok, thanks <Hobbsee> there will be breakage, so it's probably safer to use the manual approach. <Hobbsee> it's really not supposed to be used at this point. <Hobbsee> although, i fixed gnome-hearts yesterday <Hobbsee> so that actually starts now. <`23meg> haha <`23meg> Hobbsee, should I drop an approximate time that's safe an meaningful to start testing? <Hobbsee> alpha 1 for the earliest adopters should be sufficient. <Hobbsee> i'd be one of the few devs running it now, i think <`23meg> yeah, I bet most don't <Hobbsee> makes no real sense to run it <Hobbsee> `23meg: better to try and get the forums people to do useful stuff - most bugs are getting fixed inadveratntly at the moment, so there's no poitn in filing them. or at least, as far as i've seen <`23meg> Hobbsee, will do <Hobbsee> `23meg: particularly about packages not there yet, or dependancies. <`23meg> Hobbsee, yes, I'm mentioning that <Hobbsee> cool <Hobbsee> `23meg: getting there! https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/+builds?build_text=&build_state=pending&start=75&batch=75 <Hobbsee> wow, less than 10000 now for all arches combined! <Hobbsee> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+builds?build_text=&build_state=pending <Hobbsee> build build build! <`23meg> Hobbsee, thanks for reminding; I'll link to the arch pages so that people can check the pending builds, dependency waits, etc. <Hobbsee> `23meg: i doubt it'll help - it tends to be hard to understand. <Hobbsee> but, it might be useful for some <`23meg> Hobbsee, hard to understand what? <Hobbsee> what those pages mean. <Hobbsee> why some of the stuff that has built isnt in teh archives yet <Hobbsee> etc <`23meg> if people ask questions, I'll direct them to you :P <Hobbsee> heh <Hobbsee> i'll just not respond :P <hellboy195> Hobbsee: hey, can you explain the realtion between building and buildscore to me? :) <Hobbsee> hellboy195: higher buildscore == get queued higher. <Hobbsee> simple :) <hellboy195> Hobbsee: thx. and how high does the buildscore could go? <Hobbsee> no idea <hellboy195> Hobbsee: ok ^^ anyway thx :) <IdleOne> update wants to remove 33 xserver packages <IdleOne> Oh Oh! here comes some serious breakage :/ <IdleOne> well not so much breakge that I can see . let;s hope it stays this way <Mohero> Hi all <Mohero> just wondering as Herdy is going to be another LTS, will there be a document on upgrading 6.06LTS (server) to 8.04LTS Server without trailing through each release between? <awalton__> That's the plan. <Mohero> that is, once it's released... not for Alpha/beta <Mohero> excellent <Mohero> I normally do alot of testing and playing with the desktop releases, but i tend to leave my server be :) <Mohero> so upgrading from LTS to another LTS would be great <IntuitiveNipple> Anyone good with solving 64-bit / 32-bit compilation issues, specifically, solving the macro-hell that is building qemus 32-bit targets on x86_64? <Arenlor> I truly can't wait until Alpha 1 <Worm> Hah, you will ;) <Mohero> don't have much choice BUT to wait :D <Arenlor> I know lol, but it's seriously one of the few things to look forward to this year lol <`23meg> Hobbsee, I ping you <Hobbsee> `23meg: pong <`23meg> I'm recommending against filing bugs from VM testing installs against anything that has low level relations with hardware <`23meg> you think? <`23meg> Hobbsee, like, people shouldn't file kernel or X bugs if testing in a VM, right? <Hobbsee> um...probably not so useful. *shrug* <Hobbsee> no point filing kernel bugs yet anyway - no new kernel <Sebastian> What about bugs (such as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/157366) that are about Ubuntu not working correctly in a VM? <ubotu> Launchpad bug 157366 in ubuntu "Gutsy freezes in VMware Workstation 6.0.2-59824" [Undecided,New] <`23meg> Hobbsee, I'm not talking about yet, but in general <Hobbsee> well, it can be useful <Hobbsee> that's what people test installs on, etc. <Hobbsee> but real h/w is more useful <`23meg> Hobbsee, what should I list in the sticky thread as the "don't file bugs if..." cases? I'm thinking frankensteined installs with non-ubuntu libraries, binary drivers, etc. <Hobbsee> `23meg: anything that's had automatix on it, anything from non-ubuntu packages. <Hobbsee> binary drivers tend to be pointless, too <`23meg> Hobbsee, k <Pici> I thought apport refused to file bugs if it detects .automatix files <Hobbsee> Pici: it does <hydrogen> don't file bugs if... you upgraded because it sounded fun <`23meg> Hobbsee, that should be "binary drivers not supplied by Ubuntu", right? <Hobbsee> `23meg: even if ubuntu supplies the binary drivers, by nature, they cant fix it. <`23meg> Hobbsee, I know, but bugs -are- tracked for l-r-m, etc. <Hobbsee> `23meg: sure, but nothing gets done about them. <Hobbsee> for teh most part <`23meg> Hobbsee, I'm just trying to get the wording right <`23meg> Hobbsee, --> (For the kernel, X and other components that interact closely with hardware) If you're using binary drivers not supplied by Ubuntu <siimo> who is rockin' hardy? <crdlb> people who don't need X <Pici> woo <siimo> i compile my own X <siimo> just use base system =) <SpudDogg> where can i download hardy? i need something to mess around with <siimo> SpudDogg: cant u distro upgrade from the current <Viper550> Hey Hardyians <KevinO0oO> hello can someone point me to a download link for the beta? <Viper550> Don't think there are any builds of Hardy yet <KevinO0oO> ok thanks Viper550 <Viper550> I think we have a roadmap or something <KevinO0oO> I just figured since it said not to run hardy there was one, naturally I want to run it anyway <KevinO0oO> lol #ubuntu+1 2007-11-03 <Kir> They're not joking when they say it doesn't work :) <hydrogen> go figure.. <Sonicadvance1> :P <cps1966> ! seamonkey <ubotu> Seamonkey, formerly known as "Mozilla Application Suite", is available at http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/ with install instructions for ubuntu at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=186011 <Powerking89670> night all <`23meg> Hobbsee, is this any good? --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=600644 <Blake__> Welcome to #ubuntu+1 "Home of the Hardy Heron" | This channel is for Hardy disc <Blake__> 10:29 [ arpu ] [ Eq|work ] [ MetaBot ] [ Seveas ] <Blake__> 10:29 [ assasukasse ] [ fraco ] [ mloki_ ] [ sittisal_ ] <rsk> ? <Blake__> 10:29 [ astro76 ] [ fredrin ] [ Mohero ] [ Sonicadvance1] <Blake__> 10:29 [ avatar_ ] [ Frost^ ] [ mrsno ] [ SpudDogg ] <Blake__> Sorry <rsk> stop it Blake__ <Blake__> Didnt meen to <Sonicadvance1> beh? <Blake__> New to IRC <Blake__> Trying to work out where i can get some help for a ubunto problem lol <Hobbsee> #ubuntu <rsk> #ubuntu <`23meg> Hobbsee, does http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=600644 look good, and what would you add? <Hobbsee> `23meg: if that's the same as before, that the daily cds are likely unusable, at elast until alpha 1 <`23meg> k, I'll add that <lemsx1> i upgraded my PC to Hardy and now it doesn't boot! <lemsx1> :-P <lemsx1> just kidding... <lemsx1> that's something that people will say very soon... <`23meg> Hobbsee, added <Hobbsee> cool <amit_> python in Ubuntu supports ucs2 ?? or ucs4 by default <rsk> amit_: #ubuntu <Powerking89670> hey all: how do you install ALL compiz features? Do I need to make a seperate install of compiz? <Powerking89670> nvm, wrong channel :p <crdlb> Powerking89670: you're using hardy? <Powerking89670> no: I'm using gutsy, I forgot to change to #ubuntu after the change to the channels was made <Powerking89670> sorry about my stupidity <Powerking89670> :p <purpleposeidon> What's the name of ubuntu+2? <joumetal> name is not announced yet. ubuntu+1 will be hardy heron. <purpleposeidon> awww.... #ubuntu+1 2007-11-04 * assasukasse is away: Im leaving, query me. <m1ke> What is your opinion towards Sabayon ? <hydrogen> horrible. <compwiz18> did anyone else's X stuff get borked with that last update? <Hobbsee> compwiz18: the silly people who shouldnt be running hardy are in that corner. please join them. * Hobbsee points <bazhang> haha <compwiz18> I know, it's on the test laptop <compwiz18> and of course, since the topic says "Don't run hardy, it probably doesn't work" naturally, I had to install it. <bazhang> :} <nrp> heh, when an update tells you its about to remove xserver-xorg and everything related to it, its usually not a good idea to choose Y <compwiz18> true <compwiz18> I remember reading that and wondering why they were removing all the xorg stuff <compwiz18> it still starts, but I think xorg.conf got screwed up <Hobbsee> compwiz18: of course, yes. * Hobbsee is asking for a bump of the xserver packages, so that X is fully installable again <Hobbsee> [14:52] <Keybuk> breaking hardy is to be expected ;) <Hobbsee> [14:52] --> DShepherd has joined this channel ({{EMAIL+PHONE}}). <Hobbsee> [14:52] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: well, of course :) <Hobbsee> [14:52] <Keybuk> if you're running hardy now, you're crazy <Hobbsee> perhaps that should go in the topic <compwiz18> heh <compwiz18> I'm crazy then xD <hydrogen> okay.. <hydrogen> its not really worth bragging about <Hobbsee> right. priority bumped. waiting time. <shirish> hi all, can somebody tell me http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3690461&postcount=7 <shirish> quote from the post "ou go trough apt-get update and download packages but don't upgrade then you go to the update-manager and it downloads more 13 packages that apt-get didn't considered so it is better use update-manager cause they are not synchronized yet." <Hobbsee> shirish: the guy's on crack. <Hobbsee> shirish: it's held back packages - apt will let youf orce them, update-manager wont. <Hobbsee> he's just too much of a git to realise, and should nto be running gutsy <shirish> Hobbsee: ok cool <Hobbsee> er, hardy. <shirish> Hobbsee: This is the way I'm seeing apt-get dist-upgrade is showing me, http://pastebin.ca/760667 <shirish> I can see that xserver-xorg all stuff will not be there. line 7 onwards, <shirish> Hobbsee: any comments or suggestions would be welcome. <Hobbsee> shirish: only that you shouldnt upgrade if you cant do it cleanly, and if you dont know what your'e doing. <shirish> that I have never known :) <Hobbsee> if you wait a fe wmore hours, it should all be installable again <Hobbsee> and.. <Hobbsee> <Keybuk> breaking hardy is to be expected ;) <Hobbsee> <Keybuk> if you're running hardy now, you're crazy * Hobbsee changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Welcome to #ubuntu+1 "Home of the Hardy Heron" | This channel is for Hardy discussion only | If you need help with dapper/edgy/feisty/gutsy join #ubuntu | Release schedule not final yet | Don't run hardy, it probably doesn't work -- this is definitely pre-alpha | <Keybuk> breaking hardy is to be expected ;) if you're running hardy now, you're crazy <shirish> Hobbsee: thanx but then i was born crazy ;) <shirish> Hobbsee: till l8ter, thanx for guiding me :) <bazhang> great new topic <Laser88> Moin! <se7en^Of^9> is someone already running hardy? <rsk> most likely <Hobbsee> yeah <se7en^Of^9> any problems? <Hobbsee> dude. if you have to ask.... <Hobbsee> some, yes. <se7en^Of^9> ok thanks i give it a try <Hobbsee> then you should not run hardy. <Hobbsee> X is partially broken. <se7en^Of^9> i can live with that <Hobbsee> strange. <Hobbsee> okay then. * Hobbsee figures "what the hell", and says yes to the upgrade <bazhang> haha <bazhang> love the new topic Hobbsee <Hobbsee> oh, sigh <Hobbsee> okay, i *didnt* want to do this. <bazhang> upgrade? <Hobbsee> no, go thru the x transition in the middle. <bazhang> oh. sorry. <Hobbsee> Resolving dependencies... <Hobbsee> Unable to resolve dependencies! Giving up... <Hobbsee> Abort. <Hobbsee> haha :) <bazhang> well you'll be the one to go to in a month or so..thanks for the sacrifices you are making now <Hobbsee> i thought with evertyhing built, it might just work <bazhang> I was going to say go-to guy, but nixternal set me straight.. :} <Hobbsee> heh <bazhang> :} * Hobbsee waits for these debs to transfer over. * Hobbsee ponders downloading a gutsy final ISO, just in case. <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: this stuff really does break :P <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: I decided to try to resolve it this morning, but managed to break it, but was able to revert by manually reinstalling the old bits and pieces. <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: that's what i'm about to ry <Hobbsee> *try <Hobbsee> trouble is, i deleted my aptcache too :) <Fujitsu> Mine wasn't in the apt-cache, so I just downloaded the stuff from LP. <Hobbsee> oh, need old xserver-xorg too * Hobbsee scp's that too <Fujitsu> xserver-xorg, xserver-xorg-core, xserver-xorg-video-intel, xserver-xorg-input-whateveryouuse. <Hobbsee> yup <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: erm? how am i supposed to get xserver-xorg, when it's the same version in gutsy and hardy, according to LP? <Hobbsee> oh, i see <level1> Hobbsee: did you just try to upgrade to hardy? <Hobbsee> level1: no <Hobbsee> i went thru the X breakage, to see if it was actually fixed. <level1> I wondering if its a stable enough state that I want to get it <level1> oh, I see <Fujitsu> level1: If you're wondering that, it's not. <Hobbsee> you dont. <Hobbsee> oh, interesting. new LP feature <Hobbsee> LP has decided it's necessary to show depends, conflicts, etc. <Hobbsee> WTH? * Hobbsee swears this is circular dependancies. <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: which order did you use to attempt to install this? <Hobbsee> dpkg is being dumb. <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: I think I removed everything, then install amy08@example.org... <Fujitsu> I might have used a --force-depends at one point. <Fujitsu> But it's all OK now. <Hobbsee> hehe <Hobbsee> i'd forgotten abotu --force-depends <Hobbsee> this stuff looks circular, so that's not a bad idea. <Hobbsee> or at least, semi-circular <Fujitsu> It is sorta, yeah. <Fujitsu> Though if you remove everything and install all the old versions, I think it's OK. <Fujitsu> I forget, it was 12 hours ago. <Hobbsee> I WIN!!! <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: eventual solution: downloaded the bits, let aptitude install the null driver, so that it can get -core installed, so that the -input and -video can get installed, so that you can then go and install xserver-xorg, xorg, and then ubuntu-desktop <Fujitsu> Ahhhh. <Fujitsu> I didn't think about that second step. <Hobbsee> core depends on the input and video, but input and video won't configure without -core installed. <Hobbsee> sounds like circular depends for anyone who removes core. <Fujitsu> Yep. <Hobbsee> which most wont do <Hobbsee> but i think that's a bug. <Hobbsee> you shouldnt *have* circular deps like that at all, to my knowledge <Fujitsu> core doesn't depend on input, does it? <Hobbsee> erm, apparently not. but xserver-xorg will <Fujitsu> It's still a mess and silly. <Hobbsee> yup <Hobbsee> root@LongPointyStick:/var/cache/apt/archives# show xserver-xorg | grep input <Hobbsee> 11:Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:+1-905-866-7687.dfsg-3), xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video-1.0 | xserver-xorg-video, xserver-xorg-input-all | xserver-xorg-input, debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, xkb-data | xkb-data-legacy, xbase-clients <Fujitsu> I guess it does make a bit of sense to have the server depending on them, as it's useful without them. <Fujitsu> But it makes things a bit difficult if they break. <Hobbsee> well, true. <Fujitsu> Erm, s/useful/not useful/ <Hobbsee> oh, it's shift+f9 to make the water go away. <Hobbsee> not shift+f8 <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: do i want to hold back x11-data, or is that OK? * Hobbsee doesnt remember <Fujitsu> That's OK. <Hobbsee> right. fixed. :) <Hobbsee> erm <Hobbsee> ah. it's just lagging <Fujitsu> ? <Hobbsee> compiz is taking up 90% of cpu <Hobbsee> right. that's better * Hobbsee --> dinner <cyphase> Anyone know anything about plans to have a "guest" account in Hardy, e.g. you can logon, do whatever, and when you log off, everything is purged? <Fujitsu> cyphase: I do not know of any, so there probably aren't any. <cyphase> Fujitsu: i suppose you know everything <cyphase> Fujitsu: ;) <neztiti> can someone give me new source.list?? <Hobbsee> neztiti: you dont want it. * Hobbsee changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Welcome to #ubuntu+1 "Home of the Hardy Heron" | This channel is for Hardy discussion only | If you need help with dapper/edgy/feisty/gutsy join #ubuntu | Release schedule not final yet | If you are here to ask questions such as "what repositories do i use?", "is hardy going to break for me?", etc, DO NOT RUN HARDY <scizzo-> good topic.. :) <Hobbsee> scizzo-: :) <Hobbsee> scizzo-: was thinking of adding "the idiot corner is over there" <bazhang> :} <compwiz18> "the idiot corner is over by compwiz18" :P <Hobbsee> heh <IdleOne> Hobbsee: if I want to make a wish/ feature request for a package I just add Wish to the bug report? <Hobbsee> IdleOne: what are you wanting a feature for? <IdleOne> xchat <IdleOne> want the upload/download window to be hidden or minimized <IdleOne> or at least the ability to do so <Hobbsee> better to file it in the gnome bugtracker then <IdleOne> url? <Hobbsee> bugs.gnome.org or something? <IdleOne> Hobbsee: filling with gnome bugtracker assumes that I am using xchat-gnome. I run xchat-common I did file a bug anyway because I believe the same issue exists in xchat-gnome but filed with launchpad also <Hobbsee> IdleOne: fair enough. ubuntu people will just foward it to xchat people, so you may as well do it for them :) <IdleOne> xchat people dont seem to want to fix that seems they like the fact that the winodw covers the chat windows lol <Hobbsee> hooray. <Hobbsee> silly people :) <IdleOne> heh <IdleOne> well guess if it gets fixed it gets fixed if not I will have to live with it <Vegar> will hardy use 2.6.23? <ompaul> hope is for 24 to be in there <sebsebseb> seems Gutsy is quite a buggy release here and there. and hardy is probably hardly worth trying in a VM inside Gutsy, at the moment? for a non developer, because it's very alpha? <ompaul> well you can see it progress if you want <sebsebseb> is hardly at the moment based on Gutsy? <ikonia> sebsebseb: its messy as heck at the moment unless you comfortable with how the distro is packaged together <sebsebseb> I mean basically <sebsebseb> Gutsy with some changes? <ikonia> sebsebseb: no <sebsebseb> how the distro is packaged together? how differnet components work with each other? <ikonia> yes, versions dependencies and needs and what needs to be where to work <sebsebseb> Gutsy to me seems like hardly an upgrade from Feisty really. and pft found what seems to be a bug and this one does effect me a lot <ikonia> thats just opinions <ompaul> !components <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource <sebsebseb> Gutsy just seems like a newer version of Firefox Pidgin instead of Gaim and there is Apparmour and whatever under the hood stuff that I don't know about <ompaul> !timebasedreleases <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases <ompaul> sebsebseb, if you want stability you use the LTS <sebsebseb> yes <sebsebseb> and Hardly is the next LTS <sebsebseb> I know <Vegar> when can I expect to see 2.6.23 in hardy? <sebsebseb> stability lol I expect a distro to be able to get the names right of a CD <sebsebseb> the track names <sebsebseb> and not come up with unknown <sebsebseb> whatever distro :) <sebsebseb> surely something like that, is quite basic to do? <sebsebseb> Feisty put a CD in and yeah it would get the names right <sebsebseb> why do I care that it detects the names of the tracks on the CD? ,because I have last.fm profile <sebsebseb> and so yeah the names get submitted <sebsebseb> when I listen to that track <ompaul> they are packages that are in gnome one of the main sub components <ompaul> so if you don't like the gnome way use kde <ompaul> it went though a lot of changes for version 4 <sebsebseb> the part that tells Rythombox and soundjuicer what the tracks on the CD is called is part of Gnome? <sebsebseb> I never liked KDE much, except for Konversation and K3B basically <sebsebseb> however <sebsebseb> by what I read and what screenshots I have seen of KDE 4 <sebsebseb> it seems it is going to be a lot better <sebsebseb> and maybe it will become my main desktop environment instead of Gnome <ompaul> sebsebseb, that part is a database that is queried <sebsebseb> and I assume Hardly will be suppourting KDE4 by default? <sebsebseb> which part the bit that tells the player what names are on the CD? <ompaul> sebsebseb, well given that http://www.kubuntu.org/ kubuntu 4 beta something is in use now as long as kde get 4 out the door then it will be there <ompaul> sebsebseb, the database it queries * ompaul urges self not to repeat <sebsebseb> ok so it reads a database that says what the names of the tracks are on the CD <sebsebseb> and then it should tell the player that <ompaul> yes <sebsebseb> and then it displays that in the player <sebsebseb> however this is not happening in Gutsy <sebsebseb> 99% of the time <sebsebseb> it seems now <ompaul> as long as you are connected to the interweb <sebsebseb> and yes when connected to the Internet as well <ompaul> so what you might want to do is eject the cd and put it in again shortly afterwards <sebsebseb> yes done that <sebsebseb> re booted the computer turned it on back on again blah blah. logged out of the account and back in again so on <sebsebseb> ejected the CD <sebsebseb> put it back in again <sebsebseb> told it to play, when it said unknown and it don't change <sebsebseb> after a lot of trying to get it to show the names, I got it showing the names, but one of the tracks wasn't called the right one. and two of the others didn't have the right name <ompaul> sebsebseb, maybe that entry is not there <ompaul> in the DB <sebsebseb> I tryed differnet CD's also <sebsebseb> and no luck with getting any of the others to say the names of the tracks yet <sebsebseb> is it a bug? or just something screwed with my set up hummmmmm <ompaul> why don't you look up launchpad.net <sebsebseb> not tryed Vista yet again with the CD's <sebsebseb> ,but I expect that will work fine still <sebsebseb> I am on the bugs thing on launchapd <sebsebseb> ,but that's quite confussing to me <sebsebseb> to me it seems rather geek, and then it's like, how would I find out if someone has done a bug report for the thing I am on about and blah blah <sebsebseb> I might have to revert to playing my CD's on this computer in Vista, or inside Gutsy in some VM hummmmm <sebsebseb> well that's a bit silly <sebsebseb> they should just work with the names showing <sebsebseb> in Gutsy <ompaul> well then #ubuntu+1 seems to not really sit you as a type of user <ompaul> s/sit/suit <sebsebseb> maybe in a way this is the wrong channel yes <sebsebseb> ,but <ompaul> it is for those testing the next version <sebsebseb> yes I know <sebsebseb> and if what I am having in Gutsy is a bug <ompaul> and if you won't meet the people half way by learning to use launchpad.net <sebsebseb> I hope it won't be in the next one :) <bazhang> is this #ubuntu+1 or #ubuntu-offtopic ? lol <sebsebseb> I have used launchpad before to order CD's and maybe I did some sort of bug report or that was some where else <sebsebseb> ages ago <ompaul> bazhang, no longer sure myself <bazhang> ahaha <sebsebseb> I find this a joke that Gutsy won't just show the names of the CD tracks <sebsebseb> something as simple as that <sebsebseb> oh yeah and by the way if anyone cares, I tryed out Gutsy when it was being developed <ikonia> ? <sebsebseb> yes had some issues, but that was alright nothing major, untill a kernel update and my sound no longer worked. there was some bugs or wahtever, but it was alpha so yeah <sebsebseb> I accepted that <sebsebseb> ended up going back to Feisty :) then upgrading to RC of Gutsy and yeah. <sebsebseb> and after having computer on. it crashed on me and stuff like that. not sure why. and now this CD names thing hummmmmmm <sebsebseb> maybe it is a butg <sebsebseb> I guess it's worth trying to find out yes <sebsebseb> rather then just doing some bug report, assuming that it is a bug <sebsebseb> and I hope Hardy will be quite a lot better release. i'll try it eventaully and watch it being developed in VM yeah. that way if things screw up oh well <sebsebseb> being ignored now? it seems ok. well I was off topic anyway in this channel <sebsebseb> #ubotu <ikonia> your not being ignired <ikonia> ignored <Myrth[home]> hi, what means "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device" ? * assasukasse is away: Im leaving, query me. #ubuntu+1 2007-11-05 <databuddy> eh <databuddy> been nice <Tm_T> assasukasse: hey you <Tm_T> afonic`oFF: how off ? <LukeEkblad> Hello <LukeEkblad> I need help updating ubuntu <LukeEkblad> Anyone here? <bazhang> go to #ubuntu LukeEkblad <Tm_T> LukeEkblad: also read channel topics <LukeEkblad> they banned me <LukeEkblad> I duno why <LukeEkblad> I neeeed help pleas <LjL> LukeEkblad, you're offtopic, and being banned from another channel is no excuse. <LukeEkblad> ok <LukeEkblad> what am i soposed to do then? <Tm_T> LukeEkblad: find reason why youre banned and fix it <Tm_T> if it your behaviour, learn <LjL> LukeEkblad: well, you might try to not get banned the next time. if you don't know why you were banned, try typing Â« /msg ubotu etiquette Â» <LjL> if you still don't find the reason why you were banned in there, try asking in #ubuntu-ops <bazhang> that must be a fun channel :} <Tm_T> bazhang: it is, my home <bazhang> can i visit? <LjL> not without a reason please <bazhang> sorry LjL just kidding --back to #offtopic for me <Powerking89670> night all <shirish> hi all, does anybody know when xserver-xorg-core is going to be imported for hardy? <shirish> Also does anybody have any idea what paramter is good to set for tune2fs ? I wanna set it up so it doesn't check frequently the hdd (fsck) while at the same time if the file-system is dirty it should check it, any or all suggestion will be nice. <KevinO0oO> is there a place to submit artwork for hardy? <IdleOne> !artwork <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy <IdleOne> hmmm <IdleOne> I know there is a place ummm check wiki.ubuntu.com <KevinO0oO> ok <KevinO0oO> thanks <IdleOne> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ hehe there it is <KevinO0oO> cool thanks <IdleOne> np <Toma-> Is pulseaudio really going to be the default in Heron? <compwiz18> it'd be pretty cool if it is <hydrogen> can I walk hardy? <Hobbsee> hydrogen: no :P <hydrogen> but it needs its exercise~ <idleone> need some serious help with hardy. seems that xserver is gone I now have a nice texted based OS. tried installing xserver-xorg-core but I got something about dependencies and if I wanted to accept the solution but it scrolled by to quick and it seems the solution was to not install anything <idleone> upside is that without X my pc is like a greased pig with lightning in its arse lmao <hggdh> idleone: yes, xserver is being updated, but not all is there <hggdh> so... <hggdh> idleone: one solution: go back to gutsy (reset your /etc/apt/source.list so that all refs are to gutsy instead of hardy, and reinstall xserver from there <idleone> hggdh: earlier this morning aptitude removed about 8 to 10 xserver packages and then my computer got rebooted <idleone> hggdh: so what your telling me is to roll back? :/ <idleone> guess I can do that <idleone> hggdh: i need to reinstall xserver-xorg-core correct? <hggdh> idleone: I would reinstall *all* xserver components that show more recent versions that the gutsy ones <idleone> hggdh: can you give me a list of the packages I need to install please <hggdh> idleone: you do not need to roll back, but I understand from your post that you are not happy with a text-based system ;-) <idleone> hggdh: IT RUNS FINE BUT i LIKE MY gui <hggdh> idleone: start with xserver-xorg-core <idleone> hggdh: ok so edit sources.list to gutsy and sudo aptitude install xserver-xorg-core <idleone> will do <idleone> how do I get to TTY now ctrl+alt+F1 didnt work <idleone> never mind I got it I am on TTY1 now :) <hggdh> k <hggdh> idleone: start with sudo apt-get update <hggdh> you have to get the gutsy dists first <hggdh> idleone: with the risk of stating the obvious: Hardy is not even alpha yet. <hggdh> idleone: systems *WILL* break <hggdh> so, I would strong suggest not to play with Hardy on your base system <hggdh> idleone: run it, for example, under VMWare -- if it breaks, the worst is reinstall the VMWare image. BUT your base system is still intact ;-) <idleone> hggdh: oh I know and I took the chance and I am not upset or anything. I expected this to happen and was kinda looking forward to it in a strange way :) <hggdh> idleone: well. you got it smack on... :-D <idleone> ok installing 48 new xserver packages <idleone> hggdh: :) <idleone> I'll tell you the lack of a GUI does make this machine a work horse <idleone> ok packages installed now logout and back in to GUI correct <idleone> or is there a better way <idleone> brb <IdleOne> hggdh: thank you for your help. got GUI back now my next question is if/when I upgrade to Hardy again will this happen again ? <IdleOne> that was a sem-stupid question indeed <IdleOne> semi <hggdh> idleone: no, not stupid. There are almost no stupid questions <Niteye> i think for the next release they should include more photographs of young women's posteriors <IdleOne> Niteye: you have been warned once in #ubuntu please stop now <hggdh> Whenever you try again, use -- for example -- synaptic, and carefully look at the lists of what is being removed/updated <bazhang> !ohmy <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly. <IdleOne> !ops | Niteye <ubotu> Niteye: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok or Pici <gerro> ooh next one is called hardy, nice to know. Hope it goes smooth <IdleOne> hggdh: well my question was malformed. what I should of asked is when can I expect Hardy to be usable in a non stable way <hggdh> idleOne: I guess at least after the first alpha release <IdleOne> hggdh: release schedual been set yet? <bazhang> hardy is an LTS so should be less major changes, more stability <PriceChild> IdleOne, have you looked? <hggdh> idleOne: I do not think so, at least the channel header states it has not <IdleOne> PriceChild: I did not :/ <bazhang> rumored to be the end of this month--though that might change <PriceChild> IdleOne, usual place... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/$(adjective)ReleaseSchedule <PriceChild> so https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule <IdleOne> ty <bazhang> thanks PriceChild <IdleOne> hehe $(adjective) <IdleOne> 29th <Laser88> Hi! <scizzo-> hello <RichW> What is good about hardy as compared to gutsy? <RichW> feature list? <Laser88> In the moment? The adventure... <gnomefreak> RichW: atm nothing it is hardy without GUI <gnomefreak> sorry gutsy without GUI <RichW> In future?? <RichW> Is there a roadmap or set objectives? <Laser88> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-boston-2007/+roadmap <RichW> I would like emerald installed by default as an option along compiz :) <gnomefreak> RichW: isnt it installed by default in gutsy? non kde <RichW> i dont think so <RichW> not from what I can remember from past installations <gnomefreak> if you have kubuntu/kde no compiz packages will be installed by default <RichW> of gutsy <RichW> I dont use kubuntu <gnomefreak> RichW: i thought it was but i dont have a gutsy pc handy atm <RichW> Im also having problems with gutsy's ubiquity installer not supporting mdadm raids. <RichW> which results in having to do manual installation hacks <RichW> with debootstrap <gnomefreak> RichW: file a bug on it <RichW> I figured it might be something to do with partman. I was planning to work on a patch myself first but.. I read that roadmap and saw "general autopartitioner revamp (ue-partitioning-tool)" <RichW> I am unsure if that new tool solves the problem. <RichW> I might file a bug anyway perhaps someone would help with development <RichW> I think mdadm would have to be installed by default (Should be only possible in hardy release) <gnomefreak> mdadm is installed by default atleast on my gutsy it is but you are talking pre install so how would anything help you if installed by default, RichW to continue with gutsy topic join #ubuntu for support or #ubuntu-offtopic for non support <JasonF> X is broken in hardy ATM, just an FYI to all the "developers" ;) <JasonF> to not dist-upgrade if you like a gui <gnomefreak> JasonF: its in query <gnomefreak> JasonF: and its been broken for 4 days <JasonF> I don't know what you mean by "query", but I just have hardy on my 2nd workstation @ work, so I don't touch it too often <Laser88> JasonF: It's a pre-alpha - what do you expect? <JasonF> everything to be broken at any given time <JasonF> I'm not complaining, just letting anyone know who hasn't encountered the problem that they might want to way a day or three before updating their install, that's all. <gnomefreak> JasonF: its been pushed to query and will be released to archives as soon as it can be <JasonF> gnomefreak: aah. thanks for the terminology info :) <Laser88> ok, misunderstood the FYI probably <gnomefreak> not sure why you would inform devs in this channel of anything and X is kind of important so its noticed almost right away <gnomefreak> JasonF: the X devs dont hang out in here and very few devs at all hang out in here, unless there is another reason to be here <JasonF> Okay. <JasonF> the "developers" bit was more meant to be a joke about the /topic that was, until a few days ago, instructing only devs to run it <gnomefreak> JasonF: only devs need to run it <gnomefreak> JasonF: there isnt anything other than tool chain that has changed from gutsy to hardy <gnomefreak> a few things but those are simple bug fixes or like new irssi release that cant be pushed to gutsy, gutsy has backports of most things that havent made it to hardy so gutsy is newer in that sense <gnomefreak> iceape thunderbird are newer in gutsy than hardy ;) <gnomefreak> just example off top of head <JasonF> interesting :) <bazhang> sure is <gnomefreak> bazhang: i know im working on thunderbird for hardy and i pushed iceape for gutsy and soon hardy waiting on a sponser <bazhang> gnomefreak: thanks! do you a blog? <bazhang> err have <gnomefreak> bazhang: yes but i can get to it atm <gnomefreak> bazhang: we will post it to ubuntu planet <bazhang> cool. thanks gnomefreak <gnomefreak> planet.ubuntu.com <bazhang> awesome <gnomefreak> when i get things new they will go there, like new sunbird sitting there waiting to be pushed <bazhang> what's the best language to learn first gnomefreak? python c ++? <gnomefreak> bazhang: best join hardy-changes mailing list <bazhang> will do. thanks again gnomefreak <gnomefreak> bazhang: choice is yours if you want a better answer try them until you find one or ask in #ubuntu-offtopic <Laser88> gnomefreak: What version of sunbird will it make to Hardy Heron? <gnomefreak> for now~ <gnomefreak> 0.7 for now <gnomefreak> it is newest <Laser88> Yeah, got it me today for Feisty Fawn <gnomefreak> but if they release faster than they have been anything under 1.0 will make it <Laser88> thx <gnomefreak> im waiting for hardy+1 to introduce 1.0 (if it makes it since it will depend on libxul and so far iceape nor sunbird support it <Laser88> 0.3 couldn't read the storage.sdb from 0.5 - the other way went <gnomefreak> gutsy has 0.5 and it works fine afaik there were 3 bugs and non that could be fixed in gutsy, if i get this nobinonly script to work i might only have to push sunbird once <gnomefreak> btw .03 failed to work on too many peoples set ups <gnomefreak> 0.3 <Laser88> I always send me emails with the storage.sdb from one PC to the other and the Feisty Fawn sunbird couldn't read the sdb from Hardy Heron <gnomefreak> hmmmmmmmm maybe i will do sunbird today or tomorrow <Laser88> gnomefreak: do you need help in translating to German? <gnomefreak> Laser88: nope not german <gnomefreak> .win 10 <Laser88> sry - my only language <Laser88> Are you also doing firefox? <gnomefreak> Laser88: not atm asac is working on firefox 2.0 its mainly his <gnomefreak> Laser88: he is ubuntu mozilla maintainer but i have iceape and sunbird that i maintain and i will fix others as needed if he doesnt get to it <Laser88> gnomefreak: No problem with FF 2, but FF 3.0a8 <gnomefreak> Laser88: give it time we have a9 working atm not sure wher eit will be pushed but it should get in gutsy-security <gnomefreak> when i get home from hospital ill find out more, but a9 is causing problems last i heard <gnomefreak> Laser88: if you go to mozillateam PPA archive the most uptodate packages are there but they will have bugs well expect them to <gnomefreak> launchpad.net/~mozillateam than click on PPA <gnomefreak> if i had GUI i could giv eyou exact link <Laser88> I'll find it <gnomefreak> bbl <gnomefreak> Laser88: you have to be on gutsy to run them unless we added xulrunner-1.9 to the archive <gnomefreak> i cant remember atm <Laser88> gnomefreak: I tried to run FF 3.0a8 on Gutsy and now on Hardy - Alpha7 no problem, but now: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=400582 <ubotu> Mozilla bug 400582 in General "No file, edit,... back, forward,...tabs in Firefox3.0a8" [Normal,Unconfirmed] <Laser87> gn8 <nikolam> Hello <nikolam> Is there a way a can tight myself more to *buntu development process <nikolam> it there some testin teams etc <nikolam> I tested Tribe releases before <nikolam> But my envollvment was very small <nikolam> All I can do is post some bugs <nikolam> i didn`t find a way to test in some organised and coordinated way <ba5e> Hi I set my default vbox dir to /media/disk/Virtual Machines and even after removing vbox, if I remove the dir and reboot it gets re-created! how can I stop this? <ba5e> it needs root privalages to write there, so it must be in a start up script... but where? <Lin> why this doesn't work as expected http://wowi.pastey.net/76660 (bubblehearth)? why /stopcasting didn't "clean" the divine protection casting status? <Lin> AFAI divine protection is instant. <Lin> sorry wrong channel <bardyr> Hey <bardyr> is there any ETA for a kernel update? <blue|palm> will there be a future version of fglrx (>= 8.42) in hardy? <gnomefreak> blue|palm: not sure yet right now there is no X in hardy <gnomefreak> blue|palm: most likely it will make it but may not end with it <bardyr> no X? <blue|palm> gnomefreak, lol, ok (I had no idea we start from scratch each distro build) <blue|palm> but thanks <blue|palm> bardyr, yet <gnomefreak> blue|palm: we dont <gnomefreak> blue|palm: X is broken <blue|palm> gnomefreak, oh <blue|palm> gnomefreak, figures <blue|palm> gnomefreak, if i may ask, is it 7.3? <gnomefreak> blue|palm: it is a simple mistake in packaging that is being fixed <gnomefreak> blue|palm: yes same version in gutsy <blue|palm> gnomefreak, 7.3 made it to gutsy? <blue|palm> gnomefreak, wow... im behind the times <gnomefreak> or maybe not but i thought it did <bardyr> gnomefreak, there are a ton of x-server packages being hold back, X is still there? <gnomefreak> blue|palm: x --version <gnomefreak> what does that say? <gnomefreak> bardyr: X is there for people that didnt dist-upgrade <gnomefreak> bardyr: that doesnt mean its not broken ;) <bardyr> i did dist-upgrade and X is working <gnomefreak> its missing depends not all packages were uploaded at same time <gnomefreak> bardyr: not in last 3-4 days you didnt <bardyr> gnomefreak, yep <blue|palm> gnomefreak, its complaining about no option 'version' available <gnomefreak> unless mike finally held it back <gnomefreak> blue|palm: hold on a sec <gnomefreak> blue|palm: try X --version <gnomefreak> i get cant execute it <blue|palm> gnomefreak, i did, since x failed too <blue|palm> ill check in synaptic <gnomefreak> !info X gutsy <ubotu> Package x does not exist in gutsy <gnomefreak> !info x gutsy <gnomefreak> or not <gnomefreak> xorg is 7.2 <blue|palm> ah ok <blue|palm> thought so <gnomefreak> but X version i thought made it to 7.3 but either way 7.3 options are in our version <blue|palm> last question: did gutsy get some new text rendering engine of some sort? <gnomefreak> blue|palm: bulletproofX is 7.3 but you have it :) <gnomefreak> blue|palm: gutsy questions in #ubuntu <blue|palm> gnomefreak, they complain because its not a 'support' issue <blue|palm> sigh <blue|palm> thanks for the info <gnomefreak> blue|palm: ask it in there if someone says it tell me <blue|palm> much appreciated <blue|palm> ok <IntuitiveNipple> Any ideas why kdelib's libkmid MidiPlayer component only plays the first note of a MIDI file (called from kmid) on x86_64 ? <bardyr> gnomefreak, you know any ETA for a kernel update? <gnomefreak> IntuitiveNipple: try #kubuntu <gnomefreak> bardyr: there isnt one atm <IntuitiveNipple> hmmm <gnomefreak> IntuitiveNipple: its not hardy question and its kde related <IntuitiveNipple> Um, it is. I'm working on getting kdelib 64-bit issues solved so I can patch it for Hardy <gnomefreak> IntuitiveNipple: than try #kubuntu-devel <IntuitiveNipple> It looks like a build issue since 32-bit works fine <gnomefreak> IntuitiveNipple: than it belongs in -devel channels <blue|palm> gnomefreak, are we going to see a new version of gnome in *every* ubuntu release? has gnome's dev cycle synced with ubuntus? <gnomefreak> blue|palm: always <blue|palm> gnomefreak, thats really impressive, that ubuntu is changing the linux world so much :-D <bardyr> how can people tell gnome releases apart? i cant see any difference in the last 4 releases of gnome <gnomefreak> bardyr: if you look hard you can <gnomefreak> bardyr: ---> #ubuntu-offtopic <IntuitiveNipple> Gutsy has fuzzy icons :p #ubuntu+1 2007-11-06 <iecdannyboy> does anyone know how to get a belkin wireless usb to work on ubuntu? <clusty> hey <clusty> is there a hardy iso CD release already? <clusty> could not find any <RAOF> No, I don't believe so. <RAOF> There's still ~7000 packages yet to build from the Debian import, anyway. <clusty> already bored with gutsy :D <clusty> been having it for 2-3 months now <clusty> things work way to well <clusty> :D <lemonade> you can update it to hardy <clusty> hmmm. was considering running it under vmware for a few days <clusty> just to be on the safe side <clusty> so the relevant date in the release schedule is debian import freze? <clusty> when iso shows us? <RAOF> No; there should be daily cds before that. <RAOF> Well before that, really. <clusty> ok. so its gonna happen any day now i guess <clusty> thanks. can't wait to give it a test run <RAOF> There's always sed -i s/gutsy/hardy/ /etc/apt/sources.list :) <clusty> :D <clusty> good old sed <clusty> :D <clusty> i still get heaches when it comes to regexp's <clusty> hmm <clusty> most mirrors don't even have hardy packages <clusty> guess should wait a few more weeks <clusty> and let the dust settle <Hobbsee> RAOF: daily cds are unlikely to build for ages. * pkern giggles. <pkern> Looking at the topic that is. <pkern> enet:TFTPIP,yaboot is the clue, damn it. <BUGabundo> hya <bazhang> hi <BUGabundo> telf. just a moment <BUGabundo> back, I add hardy reps today <BUGabundo> did a few (really few packages) updates <BUGabundo> found a little prob <BUGabundo> SoftwarePropertiesGtk didn't work! should I report it on LP? <BUGabundo> opening it by synaptic got: <Hobbsee> !doesntwork <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend
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