#ubuntu-us-pa 2011-08-01 <ChinnoDog> <andrew> <InHisName> G'mawnin' <rmg51> morning <JonathanD> Morning. <JonathanD> eek, I'm late :P <JonathanD> hi rmg51 <JonathanD> ChinnoDog, InHisName, andrew <rmg51> 0/ sleepyhead <JonathanD> indeed. <JonathanD> I blame the swimming. <rmg51> just try not to fall asleep in the pool 8-) <JonathanD> heh :) <rmg51> breakfast time <JonathanD> I didn't <JonathanD> But the pool makes the eyes tired :) <rmg51> and red <JonathanD> yes. <JonathanD> I don't have time for a full run but I'd like to get at least half a mile in... so I'll be back. * ChinnoDog yawns loudly <teddy-dbear> me hugs ChinnoDog :-[ <teddy-dbear> opps * teddy-dbear hugs ChinnoDog <teddy-dbear> better <ChinnoDog> thanks? <ChinnoDog> I need some eggs. <teddy-dbear> I always needs some cookies :-D <ChinnoDog> for breakfast? <teddy-dbear> for anytime <rhpot1991> I need some tea <teddy-dbear> and what's wrong with cookies for breakfast? * rhpot1991 waits for ChinnoDog to be upset that rhpot1991 likes tea better than cookies <teddy-dbear> tea and cookies :-D <rhpot1991> teddy-dbear: as long as you don't dip sure <rhpot1991> I have cookies in my desk, but would rather not eat them for breakfast <teddy-dbear> I don't dip :P <teddy-dbear> I prefer them in my tummy 8-) <ChinnoDog> I like tea <ChinnoDog> I like cookies too but I'd rather not eat them for breakfast. <teddy-dbear> chocolate then :-[ <teddy-dbear> maybe cake <teddy-dbear> even pie <InHisName> I had a BIG bowl of slice fresh peaches and milk (with a dab of cereal) for breakfast. YUM <ChinnoDog> mm, peaches <ChinnoDog> I want peaches <waltman> no bacon? <ChinnoDog> I haz no bacon. I didn't go to the store this weekend. I need black pepper too. Eggs are better with pepper. <waltman> and hot sauce <ChinnoDog> I did use my tabasco sauce <ChinnoDog> eggs, water, pepper, cheese, vegetables, tabasco sauce, done. <ChinnoDog> Oh, and a source of fat if the cheese doesn't have any/enough <ChinnoDog> I used high fat cottage cheese though <waltman> I picked up a jar of some french spices at Penzey's that are really good with eggs. It's mostly tarragon with some other stuff. <waltman> I think it's this one -- http://www.penzeys.com/cgi-bin/penzeys/p-penzeysparisienherb.html <ChinnoDog> I need a smaller keyboard <ChinnoDog> something that will minimize hand strain and either come with a mouse or built in pointer that fits on my keyboard tray <ChinnoDog> I have 24.5" of usable space. Any suggestions? <ChinnoDog> Putting the number pad on the left side would save a lot of space. hrm <ChinnoDog> But then I wouldn't know how to type anymore <ChinnoDog> I could become a left handed mouser <rmg51> ChinnoCat? <ChinnoDog> maybe <ChinnoDog> I could become a trackball guy <ChinnoDog> Seems like after being annoyed by trackballs my entire life that it would be some kind of crime to start using one now. <JonathanD> trackpoint++ <JonathanD> http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=IBM+trackpoint+keyboard&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=ANv&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=ivns&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1680&bih=863&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=12957121682293152801&sa=X&ei=I8Y2TuaoM5Cltwfi1on2DA&ved=0CGMQ8wIwAA <ChinnoDog> No, I hate the nubs <ChinnoDog> I have a Thinkpad and I don't use the nub on it <JonathanD> :( <JonathanD> how can you not use the nub? <JonathanD> It's the only thing that works! <ChinnoDog> death to nubs <JonathanD> fingers stay on home row while you mouse. <jedijf> eraserhead++ <ChinnoDog> I put a smaller tip on it so I don't accidentally touch it too <ChinnoDog> That is true <ChinnoDog> But, it is so imprecise <JonathanD> it's very precise. <JonathanD> I can close a window without even thinking about it now :P <JonathanD> or select a window <ChinnoDog> So once you developed the motor control skills for it then it is as easy as a mouse? <JonathanD> I believe the muscle memory for them is much better than a normal mouse. <JonathanD> it becomes a sort of gesture instead of a thought-requiring motion. <JonathanD> flick top-right, then over to minimize <JonathanD> (I STILL move my window control buttons to the right. Every release moves them back to the left. Please stop :( ) <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: try it for a week or two on your thinkpad. <ChinnoDog> Does clicking become a double thumb operation then? <JonathanD> I only use my left thumb <ChinnoDog> I think this will cause my thumb to develop a callus <JonathanD> Hasn't for me, anyway :p <JonathanD> The only issue I have is gaming that wants to use WASD <JonathanD> I remap to the arrows <JonathanD> and if it uses q,e I remap them to the back and forward keys. <ChinnoDog> Because you use your left thumb. ic <JonathanD> I just realized I mouse left handed. <JonathanD> on my thinkpad. <ChinnoDog> Wouldn't this be easier if I just learn to use the nub with my right thumb and space with my left? <ChinnoDog> yea <JonathanD> I use the same thumb for both, I guess. <ChinnoDog> I space with my right thumb, but that is from habit. My left thumb is useless <JonathanD> but yeah, you could mouse click with your right I suppose. <ChinnoDog> When I put my hands on my thinkpad my thumb doesn't reach far enough <JonathanD> Which model do you have? <ChinnoDog> I think this is going to be a skill to teach my pointer <ChinnoDog> T400 <ChinnoDog> But my hands are hand-made. :-) <JonathanD> thats basically the same layout as my T61, I think. <JonathanD> It hasn't changed much. <ChinnoDog> Its too far away from my thumb when my fingers are on home row <JonathanD> I have a 41, 60, and 61, they're all basically the same layout. The 41 lacks the touchpad. <JonathanD> I have my touchpad disabled. <ChinnoDog> My right pointer just got nominated. I use left handed passwords so I should use right pointer for mousing <JonathanD> the other benefit is people try to use my laptop and I acolon@example.com. <JonathanD> First they try to use the touchpad, whcih doesn't do anything. <ChinnoDog> I should make changes acolon@example.com. Pointer use and dvorak. <JonathanD> Then they try to use the trackpoint, which yes, if you've not used it before, is imprecise as heck. The mouse goes flying around the screen. <ChinnoDog> Actually, I just came up with a new awkward arrangmeent that will let me start practicing now by using my laptop to type. k, gotta reverse my Synergy roles. <JonathanD> I stopped using acolon@example.com. <JonathanD> I love it, but my laptop and desktop aren't on the same network now. <ChinnoDog> AWKWARD. This is going to be difficult <ChinnoDog> Reaching for mouse buttons is difficult to do if I am only going to use one thumb to do it. <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: I think I might use both, but I'm not 100% sure. <JonathanD> I'd have to watch myself clicking... <ChinnoDog> oh. "enable press to select". Does that work well? <JonathanD> I never really used it. <JonathanD> I don't know if it's different on the 400 <JonathanD> But on mine "press" is a very light movement in any direction. <ChinnoDog> problem solved. Press to select emulates left click. I can reach the right mouse button with my right thumb. <ChinnoDog> It requires a reasonable amount of force on my touchpad. <ChinnoDog> Ok, maybe <3 Thinkpad. <ChinnoDog> double clicking might be a pita though <ChinnoDog> My finger is going to be sore <ChinnoDog> I can already tell. Its going to be worse than gamer's thumb. <ChinnoDog> This is an amazing setup. My laptop is on my keyboard tray and my large monitor is behind it. Both are in my field of vision but my higher density laptop monitor is closer so I can actually see it <ChinnoDog> The next difficulty will be when I teach myself Dvorak. I'm going to come up with a whole new list of left handed passwords. <jthan> Why are you going to learn Dvorak? <ChinnoDog> So I can type faster with less strain. <waltman> He wants to level up :) <jthan> Do you know anyone who uses dvorak? <ChinnoDog> Yes. No one else can use his computer because they can't type on it. <jthan> What's your plan to learn? <jthan> If you have a solid one I'll try it with you <ChinnoDog> idk yet. Probably need a typing tutor. <ChinnoDog> I'll probably learn the same way I learned querty, it will jut be a lot faster because I already have the motor control. <JonathanD> Hmmm <JonathanD> The boot order editor thing for 11.04 doesn't seem to work. <jedijf> grub2? <JonathanD> Yup <JonathanD> Somehow it's stuck on memtest <JonathanD> and changing it doesn't seem to actually do anything. <JonathanD> I tried editing the file by hand too (/etc/default/grub) <jedijf> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 <JonathanD> Yeah, I'm reading that. <JonathanD> Is this supposed to be better than old grub? :) <JonathanD> I'm going to try quoting what I want instead of numbering <JonathanD> I think maybe my ordering is messing it up <JonathanD> it's putting a number in, and I don't think that number remains accurate if it's after the autoprobe stuff. <JonathanD> that seems to work. <JonathanD> jedijf: ended up changing my ordering mostly back. <JonathanD> I had moved memtest and such up, but either the default option doesn't do what it should or... something. So I re-ordered /etc/grub.d to 10_linux, 20_os_prober, 30_memtest (not exact names) and that worked. <ChinnoDog> JonathanD: I have to admit that it is pretty handy being able to use the nub to move the pointer between screens faster than I could have with the mouse. <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: yes, no mouse-relocating is a nice feature. <JonathanD> Do you have the scrollbar working in 11.04? <JonathanD> I've not bothered to fix that yet, but I need to. <ChinnoDog> I have not mastered the press-to-click yet. It is hard to keep the pointer steady while pressing. <JonathanD> press-to-click is on the touchpad? <ChinnoDog> On the nub <JonathanD> thought so <ChinnoDog> I enabled it in the touchpoint control panel applet <JonathanD> is this windows or buntu? <ChinnoDog> Windows. It is my work laptop. <JonathanD> gotcha. <JonathanD> I didn't think there was an applet for it for ubuntu <JonathanD> how nice that would be. <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: my 61 is win/ubuntu, my 60 is just ubuntu <ChinnoDog> You could write an applet <JonathanD> I can't write a sandwich :/ <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: my leet hacking about ends at irssi scripts and very simple php. <JonathanD> I could probably make somethign that enables the scroll button :) <rmg51> look under mouse in Ubuntu <ChinnoDog> I haven't even used that. Is that the one in the middle? <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: yah <rmg51> thereis a touchpad tab <JonathanD> you ususally have to hack it in after every update. <JonathanD> http://www.eastwoodzhao.com/thinkpad-middle-button-scroll-ubuntu-linux/ <JonathanD> rmg51: doesn't do the thinkpady stuff, though. <rmg51> k <ChinnoDog> It doesn't work through synergy. :-( It only scrolls in Windows. <SamuraiAlba> good bacon to all! <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: I never found a fix for that. <SamuraiAlba> Fix for bacons? <ChinnoDog> JonathanD: I don't think there is a fix. Synergy is not that intelligent. <JonathanD> scrolling bacons. <ChinnoDog> mm, scrolling bacons <JonathanD> turn the bacon wheel. <SamuraiAlba> lol <ChinnoDog> round and round it goes, where it will land, no one knows <SamuraiAlba> sipgate+google voice FTW #ubuntu-us-pa 2011-08-02 <JonathanD> Morning. <rmg51> morning JonathanD <JonathanD> hey <rmg51> yo <JonathanD> time to jog. <rmg51> breakfast time <JonathanD> back <ChinnoDog> yawn <teddy-dbear> is it nap time yet? <waltman> It's always nap o'clock somewhere. <JonathanD> indeed <teddy-dbear> count me in <ChinnoDog> JonathanD: down side of trackpoint scrolling: now my desktop switching hotkeys take too long to press. <ChinnoDog> idk how you get used to clicking on things that are only a couple pixels wide with a trackpoint. What a pita. <ChinnoDog> I am hungry <ChinnoDog> I could eat a... idk. I wish I could spin the bacon wheel. <JonathanD> make new ones! <ChinnoDog> idk. I might wait until lunch. <ChinnoDog> I usually only eat one acolon@example.com. Even if I eat breakfast at 8am I am not usually hungry by lunch time. <ChinnoDog> Though, french toast sounds really good right now. I wish the places downstairs had brunch. <JonathanD> I eat 4 acolon@example.com. <JonathanD> erm, at work. <ChinnoDog> haha <ChinnoDog> 4 meals is a lot * InHisName likes a big breakfast and dinner. No room for lunch so skips it. <ChinnoDog> Me too. Breakfast downstairs is good but not amazing though. <JonathanD> I eat many small meals. * teddy-dbear could eat all day long :-D <ChinnoDog> I generally don't eat more than two meals. I snack a little bit in between but not much. <ChinnoDog> I had 3 yesterday so I feel like a glutton now. <waltman> PLUG Central needs lightning talks for tomorrow night. Any of you ubuntonians up for doing a short talk? <waltman> ubuntunians? <ChinnoDog> JonathanD: I think my pointer isn't strong enough to operate the nub. I find my middle finger is much acolon@example.com. <ChinnoDog> Maybe if I turn up the sensitivity on it then my pointer can do it <ChinnoDog> There, that is a bit better. <ChinnoDog> except that my pointer goes flying now <waltman> There's a "urmom" joke in there somewhere, but I'm not going to touch it. <JonathanD> not even with your pointer? <JonathanD> waltman: probably a safe move ;) <waltman> nope <JonathanD> waltman: so I hear they're looking for someone to speak tomorrow, You should do it. <ChinnoDog> :-p <waltman> ya think? <ChinnoDog> pointer still not strong enough to press the nub, only to move it around. <jthan> Ahhh found most of you on Google+ last night :-p * pleia2 has been circled <jthan> Darn straight. <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: try using your feet, instead. <ChinnoDog> JonathanD: :-p <ChinnoDog> I still know nothing of this Google+. All anyone ever says about it is that it is like Facebook. <jthan> InHisName: Thought I missed someone... <InHisName> Yea, what names are others going by? tried pliea2 and princess leia doesn't seem to be her. <jthan> Lol. <jthan> They've all got real names. <jthan> I added jthan in my nicknames, so idk if it helps. <jthan> I made a circle for my irc friends <pleia2> InHisName: you have to spell pleia2 right :) <jthan> You can go on my page and see who is in my circles and you'll find them <ChinnoDog> There, now I am on Google+ <pleia2> it's listed as a nickname, it should show up in search <jthan> Oh dang it DOES show up! <InHisName> Starting now <jthan> pleia2: you have that under "other names?" <jthan> because when I type jthan I don't find myself. <pleia2> yeah, in other names <jthan> can you find me by jthan? <InHisName> "drunken boat online magazine" ? <pleia2> jthan: doh, I guess not, their search thing sucks <pleia2> (funny that) <jthan> Lol <jthan> But it's listed in my other names! what a let down <InHisName> jthan: I found 2 for sure and a possible 3rd out of your 18 that are here in irc. andrew and pleia2 for sure. <jthan> bts3685|vps, ChinnoDog <jthan> Let's see.. erstazi <erstazi> jthan: yo <jthan> Just naming people on Google+ <jthan> sorry :-p <erstazi> oh <erstazi> (: <erstazi> ChinnoDog: do you want an invite? <jthan> We're all making IRC circles, haha <InHisName> brent is bts3685|vps? ChinnoDog - not find ing by picture <jthan> InHisName: he just joined like five minutes ago, so he may not have one yet. <InHisName> Does he have a plain name like michael adams ? I guess I forgot his name when we met at Alt-OS meeting once. <jthan> Lol. No. <jthan> There should be sub-circles <jthan> andrew: You see my latest trip? <InHisName> dos <JonathanD> I should check google+ <erstazi> pleia2: mind if I ask you: what version of bitlbee are you using? <pleia2> erstazi: 3.0.3-1 <erstazi> pleia2: thanks <jedijf> so my 1.2.3 is out-of-date? <pleia2> a bit :) <pleia2> I upgraded because twitter doesn't work in old versions <waltman> I get the impression that twitter changes its API every few weeks whether they need to or not. <pleia2> yep <JonathanD> thats to get pleia2 off it. <pleia2> vive la resistance <ChinnoDog> pleia2 always wins <ChinnoDog> JonathanD: Been using my laptop kb all day. Starting to get used to touchpoint. Arms get tired of sitting in one place on the desk though. <JonathanD> heh :) <JonathanD> I have a notepad I rest my arm on. <ChinnoDog> That is a funny arm rest <JonathanD> it's a padded thing <JonathanD> jedijf: are you involved in PACS/SFD? <rmg51> JonathanD: not much sfd this year <JonathanD> how so? <rmg51> the idea so far is 3d printers <JonathanD> at giant? <rmg51> at least for the main meeting <rmg51> yep <JonathanD> Is there a need for other stuff? <JonathanD> I'm wondering really if I could be of help, maybe bringing in some fosscon speakers or something? <rmg51> we can always try other stuff <rmg51> other speakers won't work for the main meeting if the 3d printer idea goes through <rmg51> something in the lobby might work through out the day <rmg51> but that would be only if people want to stop by <JonathanD> righto <JonathanD> Just a thought, anyway :p <rmg51> also, I'm not sure if the topics covered at fosscon would be of much interest to most PACS member <JonathanD> too high? <JonathanD> I could do my little "how to get help on irc" thingy. <rmg51> first you might have to explain what irc is <JonathanD> webchat! <JonathanD> rmg51: the last people I gave it to didn't have a clue either :) <rmg51> we still have to wait and see if the 3d printer talk goes through <JonathanD> not a sure thing yet? <rmg51> the PACS president is away and hasn't replied to jedijf email yet <JonathanD> ah <rmg51> you will have to talk to jedijf for more details <rmg51> we didn't talk about the main meeting at all this year <rmg51> jedijf: came up with the 3d printer idea <rmg51> I threw your name out there before the end of the year <rmg51> but we never discussed it #ubuntu-us-pa 2011-08-03 <jedijf> JonathanD: i'll keep you posted; still waiting to hear from prez. he said he had 'ideas' <jedijf> JonathanD: but i am thinking the lobby area could be an "this is irc; use it before you die" area <JonathanD> ok. <JonathanD> jedijf: I'd love to help, if you think there is a way I could. <JonathanD> jedijf: is the stuff at the same place? <JonathanD> giant <jedijf> yep <JonathanD> Ok <JonathanD> jedijf: let me know if I can be of any use :) <jedijf> JonathanD: will do. ty <jthan> ChinnoDog: touchpoint? <ChinnoDog> yes <jthan> What is it? <ChinnoDog> something that leads your urmom jokes. <jthan> I don't think so <jthan> pleia2: are you still rocking xubuntu or what? <pleia2> of course! <jthan> Latest version? <pleia2> I've been doing the website <jthan> . . . ? <pleia2> for xubuntu <pleia2> I don't know what you're asking <jthan> Like xubuntu.com? <pleia2> yes <jthan> Are you using the latest version? (question mark) <jthan> :-p <pleia2> using natty and lucid <jthan> I haven't used xfce in a long time. <JonathanD> morning. <rmg51> morning JonathanD <JonathanD> howdy rmg51 <rmg51> o/ <InHisName> Howdy everybody <JonathanD> hello <ChinnoDog> morning-- <teddy-dbear> hi sleepyhead ;-) <ChinnoDog> this morning is dysfunctional <rmg51> only this morning? <ChinnoDog> especially this morning <ChinnoDog> so sleepy <ChinnoDog> I might need coffee today <JonathanD> mmm coffee <ChinnoDog> ugh. Now I'm asking people about downtime from last night that I caused myself. Need coffee. * JonathanD makes a pot. <teddy-dbear> silly ChinnoDog <JonathanD> I think I'll get some food. <ChinnoDog> I reject the office coffee. </coffeesnob> <ChinnoDog> I added lots of creamer and sweetener to this cup, but it will be my last. <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: I aquired a kuerig <JonathanD> or howevers it's pelled <JonathanD> spelled <JonathanD> geez <rhpot1991> not a fan of them for tea, also I don't drink coffee so I wouldn't know how they are for that <ChinnoDog> I have one of those at home <ChinnoDog> They are ok for tea. I only buy the tea k-cups because I am lazy. <rhpot1991> well tea leaves need room to expand, those machines use pressure not space <ChinnoDog> I only drink coffee a couple times a week so k-cups work well because it stays fresh <ChinnoDog> I know, but... lazy! * rhpot1991 is a tea snob <ChinnoDog> I'd rather brew some yerba mate with stevia leaves but I don't want to take the time <rhpot1991> slightly dated images of my setup at work: http://imgur.com/Avvffl&Vt0OL <rhpot1991> http://imgur.com/Avvff&Vt0OLl <JonathanD> the price per cup is sort of lame. <JonathanD> But I like the butter toffee <ChinnoDog> I like swiss chocolate almond <JonathanD> I liked that too. <ChinnoDog> The Gloria Jeans coffee is the best <JonathanD> Only had one, though. <JonathanD> I haven't really found a good place to get the stuff. <rhpot1991> ChinnoDog: issue I have with stevia leaves is they become bitter over time and I like to resteep <rhpot1991> normally I don't sweeten the later steeps too <ChinnoDog> Once you drink all the sweetness out of them what would you expect to happen? :-p <rhpot1991> ChinnoDog: ya thats my point, sweetners work better outside of the teapot <ChinnoDog> I don't resteep, I just make big pots <rhpot1991> ChinnoDog: you are missing out, 2nd and 3rd steeps are normally better than the first <rhpot1991> mate thats hit or miss though, and I still do flavors there so thats a bad example <JonathanD> that was yum food. <jedijf> bubbakoo's burritos...not bad <n2diy> findsmb shows the wired connections to my router, is there a command to show the wireless connections? <JonathanD> Foods time. <cosmicpizza> hi there <MutantTurkey> hey pal <cosmicpizza> where is my wordpress folder please, i see it only in var/www <cosmicpizza> on my own server <MutantTurkey> that is where it is. <cosmicpizza> hummmmmmm <MutantTurkey> usually in /var/www/wordpress <cosmicpizza> not this one <MutantTurkey> what do you have in /var/www? <cosmicpizza> i have wordpress but ............... <MutantTurkey> but? explain. <cosmicpizza> i try to find it in system <cosmicpizza> i think this is loading in my system <MutantTurkey> it should be in /var/www/ <cosmicpizza> not in other place too you think ? <cosmicpizza> (i like your pseudo) <MutantTurkey> my nick? xD <cosmicpizza> your nickname sorry <MutantTurkey> is wordpress working on your website? <cosmicpizza> yes <MutantTurkey> because if it is, then that mean's its installed in /var/www/! <cosmicpizza> ok <MutantTurkey> /var/www/ is the location that your web server looks for files in. <MutantTurkey> so my website mutantturkey.com/index.html is really /var/www/index.html on my server <MutantTurkey> comprende? <cosmicpizza> so you don' t think it' s loaded in other place ? <cosmicpizza> ok je comprends <cosmicpizza> i understand <MutantTurkey> :) <MutantTurkey> it's there almost certainly. <MutantTurkey> don't you see it there? <cosmicpizza> i can see it in var/www effectively <cosmicpizza> (i think with a mutant turkey and a cosmic pizza we can do a real big thing for the world) <MutantTurkey> bahaha <ChinnoDog> mutant turkey pizza? <MutantTurkey> you're barking up the wrong tree. <MutantTurkey> jedijf: saw some chatter on the ML recently about some sort of meeting? <jedijf> irc meeting tomorrow night <MutantTurkey> what hour? <jedijf> 8:30 <jedijf> pm <MutantTurkey> ok. I'll hop on from my phone. <cosmicpizza> what kind of phone can connect to irc ? <jedijf> any android <cosmicpizza> ok <pleia2> pretty sure the iphone has irc apps too <jedijf> damn you <cosmicpizza> and iphone can do it ? <jedijf> yes <rhpot1991> anything with a web browser <rhpot1991> if you use something like cgiirc or qwebirc <cosmicpizza> all right <MutantTurkey> what app do you guy used? <jedijf> connectbot <MutantTurkey> I use some AndroIRC but its alright <MutantTurkey> connectbot kept crashing. <MutantTurkey> also my updated twitter app is crashing all over the place :[ <rhpot1991> conenctbot to ssh in, then andchat to connect to my bip instance <MutantTurkey> yeah <rhpot1991> that said I don't care for irc on the phone much <MutantTurkey> FTFY <MutantTurkey> I don't care for phones much <MutantTurkey> also, my pants just ripped in the crotch and I have to wear them till i get home. <ChinnoDog> @seen PennBot <ChinnoDog> Is there no doctor that can fix PennBot? <ChinnoDog> His recent illness leaves me wondering. <rmg51> Teddy is really worried <rmg51> he's afraid jthan will eat all the cookies with out PennBot ana all the laws <jedijf> pacsbot is newer than the repo'd Supybot-+1-473-444-0812 <jedijf> that's pacsbot version #ubuntu-us-pa 2011-08-04 <ChinnoDog> Who will fill PennBot's shoes if he never returns? <ChinnoDog> I don't think he has an heir. <rmg51> remember, this PennBot replaced the original <ChinnoDog> I think PennBot Sr. was murdered. <rmg51> so far andrew has killed one bot and made another one disappear <ChinnoDog> It must be a conspiracy. <rmg51> I hope andrew never has kids :P <rmg51> I would hate to see what he would do to them if they acted up <JonathanD> My kids rather like andrew. <rmg51> wait till they make him mad =-O <TheEvilPhoenix> greetings <TheEvilPhoenix> how is stuffs here :p <rmg51> we are mourning the lose of PennBot ;-) <TheEvilPhoenix> wait, did it die???? <TheEvilPhoenix> OMGWTFH WE MUST BRING BACK THE PENNBOT!!! <TheEvilPhoenix> what happened to it <TheEvilPhoenix> and btw, yes, i'm drunk, so excuse my craziness :P <rmg51> we think andrew killed him <TheEvilPhoenix> why would andrew do that <rmg51> andrew: is really an evil bot ;-) <rmg51> he already killed one bot <rmg51> now the replacement is missing <TheEvilPhoenix> *goes up to andrew with a stick, begins poking* <rmg51> it may take more then a simple stick to get a reaction <TheEvilPhoenix> BRING BACK PENNBOT, OR GIVE ME THE CODE!!!! EITHER WAY, WE MUST HAVE THE PENNBOT!!! <TheEvilPhoenix> *grabs his legally-owned AK-47* <rmg51> that might work <rmg51> and keep an eye on jthan while you are at it <TheEvilPhoenix> the grenade launcher attachment on it might also work... 40mm grenades ftw :P <TheEvilPhoenix> although granted i only get flare rounds... but meh <rmg51> there is a law that jthan can't have any cookies <TheEvilPhoenix> *notices the cookie jar, tests the 40mm grenade launcher on the cookie jar* <TheEvilPhoenix> *thmp* *BAM!* <TheEvilPhoenix> there, no more cookies <TheEvilPhoenix> NEXT TARGET! <rmg51> without PennBot jthan might try to eat all the cookies <rmg51> but there still might be crumbs <TheEvilPhoenix> doubt it <TheEvilPhoenix> because the grenade round i used was an actual grenade round <TheEvilPhoenix> not the flare rounds i own <TheEvilPhoenix> (i had one grenade round that actually was a 40mm grenade) <TheEvilPhoenix> at the very least... <TheEvilPhoenix> i legally own an AK-47 type weapon... and the ammo for said weapon <TheEvilPhoenix> that should be enough to scare off those damned jehovah's witness people <TheEvilPhoenix> and those door-to-door salesmen <rmg51> that won't stop jthan where cookies are concerned <TheEvilPhoenix> true... <TheEvilPhoenix> a few 7.62mm bullets to his gut might though <TheEvilPhoenix> wait i'm drunk... is that the right ammo... *googles* <TheEvilPhoenix> yep... <TheEvilPhoenix> 7.62 x 39 mm <TheEvilPhoenix> pretty big-sized bullet <TheEvilPhoenix> unless you are comparing to a .50 BMG round <TheEvilPhoenix> but in comparison to the standard NATO round... :P <rmg51> time for me to shower and get some sleep <rmg51> I have to stay awake tomorrow night for our "big" meeting <jthan> I'm sorry um.. did someone really suggest shooting me? <InHisName> no, jthan, the cookie jar. <InHisName> and not suggested, but it is now in state of smithereens. <jthan> @first_law <jthan> Looks like I can eat what I want. <jthan> 22:08 < rmg51> that won't stop jthan where cookies are concerned <jthan> 22:08 < TheEvilPhoenix> true... <jthan> 22:09 < TheEvilPhoenix> a few 7.62mm bullets to his gut might though <jthan> gut != jar <jthan> :-p <JonathanD> hi. <rmg51> morning <InHisName> late morning to you, JonathanD and everyone <JonathanD> hey InHisName <lamalex> have any of you ever set up pulseaudio streaming <andrew> Morning <TheEvilPhoenix> </bam> <TheEvilPhoenix> you <TheEvilPhoenix> he who has killed pennbot <andrew> Nonsense, it was PennBot who killed PennBot, but was then put to sleep by pleia2 <TheEvilPhoenix> LIES <pleia2> it had a DNR order <TheEvilPhoenix> i'm rescinding it <TheEvilPhoenix> because i'm greater than the legal system <TheEvilPhoenix> (FYI: Drunk) <SamuraiAlba> good bacon to all! <InHisName> DJAshnar: Y the name change - is that your initials and last name ? <DJAshnar> Nah. <DJAshnar> I was an internet DJ and my main character in WoW is Ashnar #ubuntu-us-pa 2011-08-05 <freelancer317> jedijf: how have you been? I haven't chatted with you in like, forever. <jedijf> freelancer317: good, and you? <freelancer317> Besides work killing me, pretty good. Got health, and family is good. Just. Need. More. Time.... But I guess we all do, right? <freelancer317> :-> <jedijf> gave up on time; using caffeine <JonathanD> There is never, and will never, be enough time. <freelancer317> JonathanD: I think that will be my new signature <JonathanD> This is why I jog with my laptop every morning while hanging laundry off my back to help it dry and eating my breakfast. <freelancer317> JonathanD: oh wait that last line will be my new signature! <freelancer317> lol <JonathanD> I like the first better, myself :) <freelancer317> JonathanD How'd FOSSCON go? <JonathanD> sold out @145 <JonathanD> 115 in attendance. <JonathanD> it was hot, though. <JonathanD> crazy hot <JonathanD> I enjoyed it :) <JonathanD> just not the heat. <freelancer317> Good! And I completely understand about the heat... <ugh> <JonathanD> hottest weekend of the year. <freelancer317> I know... that is about the most unfortunate timing in the history of PA Open Source! lol <jedijf> if there was more of that 't' word, that's what i was going to blog about; how despite the heat how the geeks represented <freelancer317> geeks rule! <jedijf> fosscon and the keynote is also why we are here tonight <freelancer317> Ok... It's after 8:30, do we want to start discussing team shtuff? <freelancer317> :) <jedijf> yes <freelancer317> jedijf, sounds like pleia2 really inspired you! <jedijf> indeed <freelancer317> Ok... Well, I think it can safely be said that things have been a bit stale in the PA Local Community, and I shoulder that fault <jedijf> so if you need to hand off the reigns, i am here to say that if no one objects, i would like to take them <freelancer317> I wanted to get the team moving, I wanted to get people energized, but I can't do it. <freelancer317> and jedijf has been with this team since the beginning and is very motivated <freelancer317> I don't think that it has to fall on one person. <freelancer317> No, it really shouldn't <freelancer317> I think we should get a few people, who are excited, have time and energy to devote to the team <jedijf> right, that's why in the agenda, i put to re-allocate all the management'y type positions of the loco, and its' resources <freelancer317> jedijf quite right * ChinnoDog creeps into the back of the meeting hall <ChinnoDog> I only show up for the oreo cake <jedijf> i think that Ubu itself has grown to a point that the LoCo isn't as 'user' needed to get started, but how to keep going, or come back and try again <JonathanD> :) * teddy-dbear pokes ChinnoDog with a sharp stick <freelancer317> Has there been discussion in the irc about this? <freelancer317> ChinnoDog: I thought you were bringing that? <ChinnoDog> There is only one person that can bring oreo cake, and it is not me <jedijf> i think, once again, that the Phila area will just have to set the pace, and usually individuals in other areas will get inspired <jedijf> ubu hours, sfd, global bug jam(which we can do virtually, too) <jedijf> working with other 'techy' groups regionally and cross-branding stuff <jedijf> like we really should have done at fosscon :-( <freelancer317> fosscon would have been an awesome opportunity. <freelancer317> I agree <freelancer317> Sorry JonathanD <jedijf> but that's in the past; we cand always do more moving forward <freelancer317> I have been working through the weekends and it seems like irc is the best way to move this team forward... <jedijf> i think meatspace is vital <freelancer317> (Don't ask why the working through the weekends was in that statement... doing two things at once!) <jedijf> in irc we have the same old cast of characters...we need to promote externally <freelancer317> jedijf... yes, but I think we coordinate events better in irc\ <ChinnoDog> Are you calling us old? <jedijf> yes <freelancer317> lol <jedijf> old enough to send 30th bday photos from the /past/ <ChinnoDog> :-( <JonathanD> freelancer317, jedijf, there is always next year. <freelancer317> jedijf you are absolutely right about getting to reach people "in person" <JonathanD> (help me find a free philly venue!) <JonathanD> And I would love to help organize other philadelphia events. <freelancer317> JonathanD I can find a Harrisburg venue for free! <JonathanD> freelancer317: I do believe there is already an event in harrisburg ;) <freelancer317> JonathanD the more events the merrier! <freelancer317> It does seem that Philadelphia is the Mecca of open source <JonathanD> Philly has a good mass of people. <freelancer317> Our local computer events in Harrisburg are limited to .Net users group (VERY strong), to CPLUG which has 10 - 25 people attend per month. <jedijf> we are just fortunate to have folks like JonathanD and hive and plug to cross-pollinate with <freelancer317> It is hard to get activists here. <jedijf> an the NJ loco team too <jedijf> and there is and has always been /interest/ in all other parts of the state just no "nike" spirit (which has lacked statewide) <JonathanD> I spent many days in harrisburg. Too much of a "governement town" for a lot of FOSS. <freelancer317> jedijf I agree <freelancer317> JonathanD... Harrisburg itself is not the key... The 1 million people living in the surrounding area ARE key <JonathanD> Is there an SFD event in harrisburg? (or near it?) <freelancer317> I tried to coordinate something a couple years ago, and got 0 interest in help <jedijf> the 2 listed for the state officially last I checked were pitt and philly'ish <freelancer317> from the locals <JonathanD> The philly event benefits from hijacking PACS meetings. <jedijf> it's really like field of dreams..if somneone does it they will come <JonathanD> again, the existing mass makes it easier to gain more, I guess. <freelancer317> PACS is one of our strongest allies, I think! <freelancer317> If you can say ally <JonathanD> how much of the CPOSC crowd are local? <jedijf> that's why i offered...doing stuff usually only required a phone call, and half hour before event setups <freelancer317> JonathanD the three people who coordinate it are local... A huge amount of attendees are NOT <freelancer317> I have thrown some help there way, and this year I hope to do more (if my work will allow). <JonathanD> Is it scheduled yet? <JonathanD> waltman was asking, and I asked in the cposc channel without reseult a few days ago <jedijf> on the site it said october.... <jedijf> sometime in october <jedijf> tick tock <JonathanD> dates/times coming soon <JonathanD> october is VERY soon <freelancer317> I haven't seen anything and I think I heard that Harrisburg U. is not an option this year (but I may be misinformed) <JonathanD> mmm <JonathanD> I might ask again. <JonathanD> Maybe I can help somehow. <freelancer317> Let me see if I can raise one them on the channel... <freelancer317> TheEvilPhoenix was mentioning the meeting online here has he been around? <jedijf> i think he's drunk <freelancer317> lol <jthan> I'm here! <jthan> Let us meet, eh? <jedijf> 12:46 < TheEvilPhoenix> i'm rescinding it <jedijf> 12:46 < TheEvilPhoenix> because i'm greater than the legal system <jedijf> 12:46 < TheEvilPhoenix> (FYI: Drunk) <jedijf> so, basically if freelancer317 wants to give up the leadership email and all that it entails, I'd be willing to take it andmove forward <teddy-dbear> jthan: stay away from my cookies :-/ <jedijf> and go to bed <freelancer317> ok, I have no problem turning everything over to you Jim, I trust you, I think you are Ubuntu through and through.... But does anyone else have anything to add? <jthan> Well.. Um.. <jthan> Let's see <jthan> jthan always /wants/ to get involved but everytime I take initiative nobody else does <jthan> so it doesn't go anywhere <jthan> I have access to the calendar, and... that's about it <jthan> I drive now.. going to events is feasable. <jedijf> [jimf@arch_desktop ~]$ hostname <jedijf> arch_desktop <jedijf> [jimf@arch_desktop ~]$ <jedijf> oops <jedijf> :P <jthan> Jokes! <jthan> ./delete <jedijf> want !=do <freelancer317> jthan... Everyone is needed here. Events are what are REALLY needed.. You're in Lehigh valley? <jthan> Yes! <jthan> And I'm ALONE <jthan> haha <freelancer317> Well... Not completely, but I know the feeling. <freelancer317> lol <jthan> There aren't many people here from the lehigh valley <jedijf> nah, he's alone <jedijf> bts3685|vps: left him for a wife <jthan> In fact.. idk if anyone is actually in the valley <jthan> Yeah.. he was close.. then he left <freelancer317> well there used to be a few people hter <jedijf> we can do qmart stuff and find jthan a friend <jthan> hahahaha <jthan> I have a few friends. I should get them on IRC. They're older and have more time - perhaps they'd be willing to setup events. <freelancer317> Well here's the other thing... It doesn't sound like there are any objections to jedijf being team contact / fearless leader <jthan> Nope. * jedijf objects <jthan> He's top notch <freelancer317> ... but we need to worry about reapproval <freelancer317> or do we <JonathanD> jthan: I'll come up to lehigh to help with events. <jedijf> re-approval is dead <jthan> JonathanD++ <JonathanD> Events are sort of my thing. <JonathanD> I enjoy them, the whole process <jthan> Yeah. I thought reapproval was awhile ago.. except it never really happened <jthan> freelancer317: in fact, I think I emailed you about it, even <freelancer317> We are still approved <freelancer317> Until October <jedijf> it would be embarrassing to dopefiend it, when for a long time we haven't really ubu Loco'd anything <freelancer317> (I finessed) <JonathanD> Which reminds me. I'd like to have a picnic. <jthan> picnics are nice. <JonathanD> In bridgeport. <jthan> I have lots of places in mind for outdoor stuff. Indoor stuff I haven't really found any great places <jthan> Connecticut? <JonathanD> PA <freelancer317> Here's why reapproval is less than fun... We have to do monthly reports, we have to satisfy people on the council that we are viable <jthan> monthly reports for when? <JonathanD> I happen to live there, but they also have a nice park, pavilion, and train access to philadelphia. <jthan> like months past, or months in the future <jedijf> like i said re-approval is pointless with a vacant recent past <JonathanD> are we a not-group? <jedijf> i'd rather create a future and re-apply <freelancer317> Good things about approval... CD's (which can be a mixed bag if we can't move them), and better stuff for events if we request in advance. <JonathanD> jedijf: what makes a viable future? <jedijf> doing stuff <JonathanD> Events? and which events can ubuntu pa claim? <freelancer317> I don't care either way.. I just don't want to leave the council waiting for an answer <jthan> jedijf: Valid point.. if getting re-approved is going to be like pissing in the wind, we might as well accept that it's going to happen lik ethat, and then plan ahead <jedijf> that's my thought; fight now, we are not *worthy* <jedijf> s/fight/right <JonathanD> jedijf: what level of activity is "worthy" <jedijf> no ones fault; i haven't done anything <freelancer317> Well the representation at CPOSC has been what has kept us in the picture I think (and our history in Philly) <jedijf> JonathanD: anything <JonathanD> I mean, we missed an op with fosscon I guess. <freelancer317> JonathanD EXACTLY missed an op <jedijf> we've missed opps every 6 months - releases <JonathanD> I do the geeknic thing about 4 times a year though, can ubuntu-pa fly a flag there? <jthan> Yeah.. and even Ubuntu hours.. <jthan> When's the last time anyone had one of them here? <freelancer317> JonathanD yep <jthan> pleia2: has them out in Cali all the time. <freelancer317> As long as we report it <jedijf> JonathanD: the answer to all is yes; again *nike* <JonathanD> Ok. <jedijf> that's how we got approved.... <JonathanD> We shall all have an ubuntu hour in my living room. <jedijf> exactly <JonathanD> There will be tacos. <freelancer317> lol <teddy-dbear> and cookies? <JonathanD> Or burgers. <JonathanD> I'll leave the snacks to jedijf <jthan> Seriously though.. <teddy-dbear> oreo cake! <jthan> If we're going to let this slide /for now/ we better get a list of events that we CAN do.. then we better start picking dates and making them happen. <JonathanD> Whats lacking for an ubuntu hour? Places to hold them, or just planning? <jedijf> nike <freelancer317> I think part is planning part is motivation <jthan> Well - I'd be happy to have an Ubuntu hour. I don't know what that really entails, and as I said before - I don't have any places around here that have willingly said "yes you can use our space for..." <ChinnoDog> shoes? <jedijf> JonathanD: you can say, i'll have an hour at Ginos <JonathanD> jedijf: well then, I'm game. <jedijf> we ml, forum irc it <JonathanD> jedijf: I'll happily do that if it doesn't matter where. <jedijf> people come, eat giants, bitch about unity <freelancer317> lol <jthan> I wanna have some up my way to see what interest is out there <freelancer317> It seems like that is alot of it. <JonathanD> I'm on good terms with the marketing acolon@example.com. <jthan> because if we grow the community in this area, there are more people who could contribute to events. <JonathanD> Might even get some kind of deal out of it. <jedijf> then again, we explain the freedom of any desktop you want to run and show them <freelancer317> jthan yes <jthan> and that's why I always wanted to have events up my way.. to try to get some more people so I don't feel alone :-p <JonathanD> Ok. I'll commit to making an ubuntu hour happen in my area. <jthan> But then I get into the school year (and I am only a senior in highschool...) and things go south <jedijf> ok, this is getting pathetic <jedijf> jthan: i promise we'll do something your way if qmart counts <freelancer317> my big problem at CPOSC is everyone uses Ubuntu already. We don't reach many new users who haven't heard of us. <jedijf> as your way <rmg51> we can start with something simple like a picnic <jedijf> freelancer317: that's the way it is now <JonathanD> hmmm <jthan> jedijf: QMart is 20 minutes from me. totally counts. But it isn't like there's just "usable space" in QMart. Haha <jedijf> why it's a little trickier, more of a support, than get started thing <jedijf> jthan: outdoor flea market table showing off <JonathanD> interesting idea. <JonathanD> lets go to zerns. <jedijf> that too <jthan> JonathanD: totally worth it just to go to qmart <jedijf> everywhere <jedijf> nj loco did columbus market * ChinnoDog waits for time and location so he can show up <jedijf> see <jthan> Don't wait <jthan> make it happen <freelancer317> ChinnoDog I thought you were in DC now? <JonathanD> There is no time to wait, only time to execute. <jthan> Okay <freelancer317> That's what we need <jedijf> only during the week <jedijf> ChinnoDog: in dc ^^ <jthan> QMArt <jthan> I have off August 9-19 <jthan> Is that too short notice? <JonathanD> I have off a week this month, I forget which. <jedijf> yeah, i'll prolly be doing an hour on 3rd sat at hive <jedijf> ubu hr(3 actually) <jedijf> then sfd <jedijf> then bug jam <jedijf> the cposc <jthan> What do you do at ubuntu hour? <ChinnoDog> during the week? pfft <jedijf> aug - sept - oct <freelancer317> jedijf>> Do you want the admin rights and stuff to the team? It isn't a pain for me to maintain that for the group (Launchpad, Mailing List, Forums) <jthan> ChinnoDog: be a saturday in Quakertown <JonathanD> I have to head out. <jedijf> i would like to have roles for people, like we did in the past(current) with multiples in the event of untimely demise <JonathanD> I'll do something in KOP. Date TBA. <jedijf> of any one person <jedijf> don't want to micromanage, and make everyone feel part of <jedijf> like calendar was kejava and lamalex <jthan> who are both GONE <jthan> jthan is also on the calendar <jedijf> pleia2 is good to have everywhere like she is as ultimate fallback <jedijf> 'xactly <jedijf> phoenix can get stuff <freelancer317> Ok... I'll add you on, but I'll keep myself there too.... pleia2 and ChinnoDog are on launchpad <jedijf> ChinnoDog: even <jthan> So let's get two more people to step up and make sure the calendar looks good. <jedijf> JonathanD: is bogged down with geeknics and fosscons, but he can do events <jedijf> irc was/is andrew and pleia2 ...that's good <freelancer317> Mailing list has been lamalex and me and someone else.... <jedijf> so we can offer the roles up, to spur involvement and sense of ownership <freelancer317> I'm on the irc too <jedijf> we kinda already know the players anyway <freelancer317> Yep. I am not sure if I can give access to the website or not. <jedijf> but dupplication/triplication is necessary because sometimes life does get in the way <jedijf> pleia2: can <freelancer317> THat might have to come from pleia2 <jedijf> it's hers anyways <jedijf> i mean she got it <jedijf> pro bono <freelancer317> yes it is :-) <freelancer317> thank you Pleia2 <jedijf> soon to be 1/2 mj's <freelancer317> true <jedijf> we may need a prenup <jedijf> pleia2: ^^^^^ <freelancer317> Google could take it all over! <freelancer317> lol <freelancer317> Ok. I'll start working on getting you on the things I can. <jedijf> you have my email addy right? <jedijf> you can keep all the adminny rights you want <jthan> addy.. adminny <jthan> awesome sauce <jedijf> iirc evil is central pa college'ish, so i would like him to get involved <freelancer317> the myfisher one, right? <jedijf> yeah <freelancer317> k <jedijf> acolon@example.com <freelancer317> Yea I got it <jedijf> wiki team - web team - JonathanD -> events team <freelancer317> I'll let the team contacts know as well. <freelancer317> You can send them and intro if you want (It doesn't really need to be done) <jedijf> i'll throw something together <freelancer317> But if you want to, you'll get some welcome aboard emails <jedijf> hold an oreo cake hostage for pleia2 to vouch for me <freelancer317> lol <freelancer317> So are we in agreement to tell the council that we are foregoing the approval process this cycle while we are in "reoganization" mode? <jedijf> that's how i would handle it <jedijf> it's honest <jedijf> because right now there are alot of jthan's isolated throughout the state, not knowing that we're here to be their friends <jthan> Lol <jthan> You better be serious about qmart <jedijf> remember that farmer kid from delaware county...a few events that way and he might still be around <jthan> farmer kid.. <jedijf> jthan: campaign bs <jthan> campaign bs? <freelancer317> jthan "you are not along, young man" <jedijf> nm <jthan> Not campaign bs <jthan> I don't accept that <jedijf> it's not <jedijf> i need to get some fleck's <jedijf> ubuntu 15 minutes in the fleck's sticky bun line <jedijf> and old magazine shopping at the old magazine store (that's for ChinnoDog) <jthan> You don't need to wait 15 minutes <freelancer317> Right. I've got to start running some queries, and customers are sending me more emails <sigh> <jthan> jedijf: can't forget about pizza and auntie anne's <jedijf> so yeah, do it, we'll survive <freelancer317> jthan how close are you to Macungie? <jthan> eh.. 30-45 minutes * jedijf triangulates jthan's location <jthan> You know where Bethlehem is? <jthan> I can be in Bethlehem in 5 minutes. <freelancer317> My company owns a warehouse there and are opening another soon <jedijf> hellertown <jthan> Not like you just checked fb or anything <jedijf> thanks for the g+ invite btw <jthan> I was just adding random people and I was like "... he needs something new to play with.. and I think he runs a phone w/ android" <jedijf> we could roadtrip the hive4a too <jthan> or do you still have an iPhone? <jedijf> no captivate running serendipity <jthan> I had a captivate for awhile. <jedijf> gazelled my iPhone for $30 more than i paid for it <jthan> Wow <jedijf> at&t and i parted laptop card ways when they discontinued my unlimited <jedijf> i went clear mobile hotspot <pleia2> hooray jedijf <jedijf> for 4g van action (where available) and tether to at&t in 3g <jedijf> pleia2: for what <pleia2> jedijf: that was my vouch :) <jedijf> pleia2: thank you...did you see that we need a prenup for ubuntupennsylvania.org....have mj sign off <pleia2> lol <freelancer317> pleia2 Congrats btw! <freelancer317> Belated as it might be <pleia2> freelancer317: thank you :) <pleia2> just give me a nudge if you need me to add anyone anywhere (irc, wordpress, etc) <jedijf> yeah we'll do that at a later meeting; do a process <jedijf> if any <freelancer317> pleia2 jedijf should be added to wordpress <pleia2> I think gallery has officially suicided itself upon upgrade, so if someone wants to fix that it would probably be good <pleia2> (I really don't like debugging it) <jedijf> andrew: ^^^^ <pleia2> for california we use flickr :\ <freelancer317> lol <jedijf> he's our resident photographer <jedijf> and he's got free bot time <pleia2> hehe <rmg51> he needs to fix his son <rmg51> er bot <jedijf> i think it's banned due to memory leakage <pleia2> yeah, it sometimes explodes and takes up all the cpu, it needs to stop doing that <jedijf> i think that's why i
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