#ubuntu-meeting 2005-06-01 <mako> let's get this ORGANIZED MEETING started <Simira> ogra: a great combination. Let's start * mako puts away his beer <mdke> *grins* @ mako <JaneW> heh <smurfix> mako: There's a difference? <mako> (that was lie) * wdh opens his beer :) * Seveas gets a new grolsch * opi gets mug <mako> agenda is online here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CommunityCouncilAgenda <mako> lets start at the top <mako> if people want to say their names for the record summary, do that now <dholbach> Seveas: grolsch! <craigaa> craigaa : Craig Adams * Seveas is DennisKaarsemaker <ogra> Simira, oh, you are not a member yet ? <opi> opi: Emil Oppeln-Bronikowski <xuzo> xuzo: Luis Lopez <titus`> titus`, == david larlet <zenrox> zenrox: michael martin <wdh> wdh: Wouter den Haan <mako> the CC is myself (Benjamin Mako Hill), Kamion and Elmo <ivoks> ivoks: Ante Karamatic * kassetra is Kassetra ... :) * Burgundavia is CoreyBurger * uniq is FrodeDoeving * smurfix is Matthias Urlichs * ogra is OliverGrawert * \sh is StephanHermann <Unfrgiven> Ankur Kotwal * dieman is Scott Dier * Mithrandir is Tollef Fog Heen * dholbach is Daniel Holbach * Riddell is Jonathan Riddell <mdke> whoa <Simira> ogra: I'm working on it ;) <opi> hi Riddell :-) <mdke> mdke = Matthew East * Simira is KarianneGrnningster <jsgotangco> 6am <jsgotangco> yahh <luker> luker: Ignacio Gil <jsgotangco> hi * Nafallo is Christian Bjlevik <dholbach> jsgotangco is Jerome Gotangco :-) <dave_> dave_ = Dave Engbers * topyli is Juha Siltala * pitti is Martin Pitt <kassetra> jdodson is JonDodson <robitaille> \me is Daniel Robitaille <jsgotangco> hello <kassetra> JohnDong is John Dong <opi> damn, I've lost with all you guys :-) <mako> alright.. lets move on then :) <dave_> opi, history buffers ARE your friend :-; <mako> smurfix: want to introduce the loco team candidates? <mako> alright, for context <smurfix> actually they can (should) introduce themselves ;-) <mako> loco team leaders do not need to approval by the cc technically <mako> but we like to ask people to show up once to sort of connect with teh community <dave_> Maybe Craig can kick off? * jbailey is Jeff Bailey (sorry for the lag) <mako> craigaa: the south african team.. sabdfl just got back from south africa <Simira> they are not re-titled as community-contacts? Or is that just by suggestion yet? <craigaa> wilco... <smurfix> sort of show-and-tell. Also we have a few other loco items on the agenda where feedback from new members would be useful. <craigaa> I'm from Durban ZA <xuzo> I'm Luis Lopez from Spanish LoCoTeam <mako> craigaa: why don't you tell us about your loco team so far, the state of ubuntu in safrica in a sentance and your plans for the future <Kamion> it would be nice for loco people to say a bit about what they're doing in their communities <Kamion> ... what mako said <mako> and anything we can do to help you out <craigaa> Mark, asked me a while back to form a LoCo, after chatting with several people, it seemed that someone had to start and lead it <smurfix> Simira: I've retitled the llist, but getting that to correspond with reality is a bit more difficult <mako> have you guys organized events, etc yet? <craigaa> so here I am <mako> got any plans for ubuntu in safrica? <JaneW> craigaa: are you dealing with Durban only or the whole of SA? <craigaa> Interest is relatively high, and I ams till working on active members <mako> you've got a bit to live up to :) the distro with the an SA name :) <craigaa> lol <mako> JaneW: are you guys involved yet? <craigaa> I have about 8 people interested at the moment... <JaneW> mako: no, but I think we *should* be! <mako> craigaa: there is a growing number of canonical people in SA <mako> you guys should really coordinate :) <craigaa> but they are waiting for someone (me) to get the ball rolling - lack of initiative ;-) <mako> craigaa, meet JaneW <Simira> craigaa: how do you recruit/plan to recruit members? <JaneW> hi craigaa ;) <craigaa> mako: yes I touched sides with a few at LinuxWorld SA <craigaa> new members: by direct personal cisneroselizabeth@example.net... <mako> craigaa: maybe you can plan for a good presence at the next LW-SA :) <craigaa> largely through my OOoZA lists <mako> cool :) let us know if there's anythign we can do to help :) <JaneW> mako: Cape Town in Sept <craigaa> mako: I'll be wearing my 2 hats ;-) <mako> craigaa: there's a good goal :) <mako> craigaa: you should see my hatstand :) <JaneW> There's also a July conference in Stellenbosch <craigaa> I may make LW CTN - depending on if they want me to speak again <mako> nice.. ubuntu conference precense is something we want to see more of and it's going to be largely up to the loco teams to help make that happen <mako> :) <mako> alright.. you guys seem to have a number of options here <mdke> mako, ++ <JaneW> July 4-7: World Conference on Computers in Education & International Conference on Open and Online Learning at Stellenbosch university... <craigaa> JaneW: I missed the earlier q, the whole of ZA at this point <mako> canonical will help where we can <mako> but we're pretty limited in terms of people on the ground everywhere :) <mako> is david larlet here? <titus`> yes <craigaa> mako: always useful to have a helping hand 8-) <JaneW> craigaa: can you mail me at cisneroselizabeth@example.net, so I can pass people on to you <\sh> durban is a good start I think :) the last time I saw many internet cafes and linux around the city center of durban <mako> titus`: whats the state of ubuntu in france? <craigaa> JaneW: wilco <JaneW> for now, I will try to get involved when I start kowing what I am talking about.. <mako> JaneW: ah, knowing what you're doing is overrated :) <JaneW> mako: heh, good <mako> "if there's one thing i know, it's ignorance" <jbailey> JaneW: Most of us got involved in this crazy Free Softare world by volunteering for something and then staying up all night trying to figure out how to do it. =) <mako> smurfix: have you worked with craigaa ? <mako> titus`: around? <titus`> we have created ubuntu-fr.org <JaneW> well right now it;s not so much 'vliss' as an extreme sport for me... <titus`> sorry for the lag <mdke> there is a very active French wiki community <JaneW> s/vliss/bliss <mako> titus`: some time ago, yes? <mako> it looks great :) <titus`> with traductions, forum and wiki <mdke> i don't know if they coordinate with titus` <Mithrandir> JaneW: that's good. extreme sports are fun. <mdke> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrenchDocumentation <titus`> yes there are about 80 people on the development mailing-list of the site <smurfix> mako: Yubuntu-za is one of the vhosts I've set up for teams <smurfix> s/Y// * mako adds that to his list of ubuntu mispellings <mako> titus`: wow! <opi> titus`: 80? <titus`> this is not the same team on the wiki and on the site <opi> titus`: well, then I have lots to catch-up on you, guys! <mako> titus`: ubuntu-fr will be able to play an important role in bringin ubuntu not just to france but to many francophone people <mdke> titus`, ah i see, so there are 2 teams? <titus`> yes 2 teams <mdke> 2 wikis? <titus`> and 2 wikis <mdke> gotcha <mako> titus`: why are there two teams? <titus`> the one in ubuntulinux and the second on wiki.ubuntu-fr.org <titus`> the second one is a development wiki <opi> you should merge :-) <mdke> the other french team have been coordinating a bit via the ubuntu-doc list <titus`> to write article before publication on the site <mdke> they are working very hard on the main wiki :D <mako> titus`: is there a reason you guys aren't coordinating? <mako> would it be useful if you did? <mako> (are eiter NatxoMorell / LuisLopez here?) <xuzo> mako: I'm here <xuzo> LuisLopez <mako> xuzo: cool.. <mako> titus`: ? <titus`> in fact, there are two team because there are people who love wiki and others (at start) <mako> smurfix: did you know about the two teams? <titus`> but now we are probably going to merge team <mako> titus`: great! :) <titus`> s <mdke> thats cool <titus`> do you have any "official" contact with the other team ? <mdke> i felt the wiki guys would appreciate being able to use the cisneroselizabeth@example.net list to coordinate <mako> titus`: there's no reason to fracture the community any more than it is.. every merge comunity like this is a little victory <smurfix> Nope; I've been singularly non-involved with the French and Spanish teams -- they've been there before the loco idea was born, or so it seems * smurfix agrees with mako <mako> titus`, xuzo: you guys are sort of interesting <mdke> titus`, i can put you in touch with them if you like <titus`> mako, ok so it will be done <mako> in that you had built great communities that were really locos well before we even had a word for it <titus`> ok mdke <mako> so you guys can show a lot of leadership to the other loco teams because you have a head start <jsgotangco> even cisneroselizabeth@example.net has french support btw <mako> and we'll do anything we can to help you <mako> titus`, xuzo: how are you guys doing for hosting? <mdke> jsgotangco, yeah i think it would be cool if they can work in ubuntu-fr tho, it would help them unite their forces <mako> do you guys needs help for hosting/bandwidth, etc? <mako> that's something we can help you out with <titus`> we're hosted by the apinc (apinc.org) <mdke> titus`, will send you their names in query <titus`> non commercial hebergement <xuzo> mako: atm we are sopported by our local university <mako> we can get you virtual servers if need be at linode or host wikis and such through smurfix <mako> xuzo, titus`: well, if that changes and you need some support from us, we're happy to support you <mako> xuzo: you can get in contact with me or smurfix <jsgotangco> how goes the linode plans btw? <titus`> ok mako, the only problem today is the transfert of the domain name <mako> jsgotangco: we need locos to take advantage of them :) <kierzko> opi na czlona <mako> jsgotangco: we'll see what problems we hit then <kierzko> hi [; <mako> titus`: what is the problem? <mako> xuzo: how far outside of the university has the -es stuff gone? <mako> xuzo: you guys have a great site too.. did even in december! <mako> it was one of the ones that suprised us :) <mako> xuzo: is there anything we can do to help you out? <xuzo> mako: actually the web site covers all spanish countries <titus`> i've sent two mail but smurfix know the problem <mako> is there anything you guys are planning <mako> xuzo: nice :) <xuzo> included south america, about 3000 users now <mako> smurfix: you guys going to work it out <mako> xuzo: wow! <smurfix> I've forwarded the transfer application to silbs <mako> xuzo: we should really find ways to work more closely <smurfix> it needs to get signed and stamped and stuff :-/ <titus`> we are planning to traduce the add-on cd and to locate it <xuzo> mako: aditionally we have setup a mirror in spain <mako> titus`: great :) <mako> xuzo: nice <titus`> so maybe we need some ftp place <xuzo> in two days we have a "ubuntu install party" http://iubuntu.ubuntu-es.org/ (sorry about spam :P) <titus`> s/place/space <thung> yello <mako> xuzo: i heard there was some problems getting people to organize an ubuntu talk or something in spain a few months ago.. we should work on getting the -es community into line where we can organize events and such :) <mdke> titus`, do you guys work on the ubuntu-fr@ubuntu list, or on your own list? just out of interest <mako> xuzo: you guys should also work on coordating with the doc team <mako> for translations stuff <thung> czy ja moglbym tutaj zaglosowac? ;) <titus`> the ubuntu-fr list is the user one and the cisneroselizabeth@example.net list is for the site development <mako> xuzo, titus`: if either of you need any help, email me <mako> titus`: that's fine <xuzo> mako: we are very open to colaboration <mako> thung: ? <mako> xuzo: great :) <smurfix> ... or me ;-) <mdke> titus`, cool thanks <mako> alright.. lets move on <mako> it's great to meet all of you :) <xuzo> please send us whateve you consider by mail <mako> xuzo: please do the same :) <titus`> yes :) <mako> thanks for showing up :) <mako> is rave around? <mako> we should move ont to apporving folks <Seveas> no <smurfix> So that concludes this round of "locoteams WAY ready for the 'official' list" ... <smurfix> I ho to have more of them soon ;-) <smurfix> hope <mako> smurfix: great :) <mako> smurfix: thanks for your work on this <mako> very appreciated <craigaa> +1 <mdke> yeah <titus`> thanks smurfix <mako> new members!!! * smurfix bows <mako> rave is not here.. he also didn't update his webpage <mako> is trulux around? <mako> apparently not.. lets move on <mako> SimoneGotti <mdke> not here <xuzo> thanks to all ;) <Kamion> was trulux not covered in a previous meeting in some way? <mako> Kamion: we told him to come back in two weeks <Riddell> SimoneGotti isn't here <Kamion> mako: not reflected in the agenda, should be? <mako> Kamion: when he had actually commtted some code <mako> Kamion: i knew both of the first two had been asked to come back, but didn;'t really note it <mako> i'll do that in the future <mako> gabriel doesn't appear to be here either <mdke> ecchilo <mako> Ankur Kotwal is though <trulux> many thanks for the advice <mako> trulux: hey dude <Unfrgiven> mako: yep im here <ajmitch> hello trulux <trulux> Nafallo: oops, just changed tab <mako> trulux: we'll come back in a second <Nafallo> trulux: glad you're here :-) <trulux> hey fellows <Kamion> mako: I've moved them down to the bottom <trulux> I hope everything was and is going on fine :) <mako> Unfrgiven: alright dude, want to do the short summary of your work in ubuntu so far, what you want to do work on in the future <trulux> Nafallo: thanks, thanks for the advice too <Unfrgiven> mako: well i got involved with cisneroselizabeth@example.net. participated at a few BOFs. after which I started talking with dholbach, tseng, ajmitch and ogra and had a go at packaging for universe <dholbach> Unfrgiven will be part of the MOTU crew soon, he has already one package in, plans the desktop team with us and is involved in the developer documentation project! i triple-double-ber-vouch for him :-) * ogra nods <Unfrgiven> mako: thus far, i've had one package uploaded. others i looked merely needed to be pulled in from debian <Seveas> noe that's a recommendation... <Unfrgiven> mako: i'm also currently implementing the IntroDeveloperDocs spec <mako> wow.. that's a ber from someone who knows what it means <jsgotangco> Unfrgiven is also involved in writing IntroDeveloperDocs <ogra> hehe <ajmitch> mako: yeah, Unfrgiven is a model member :) <ogra> absolutely <Unfrgiven> mako: i've been looking at universe bugs to fix <mako> Kamion, elmo: what do you say <Unfrgiven> mako: and also trying to get involved with the C++ transisiton <elmo> mako: ack * mako is happy to approve based on experience + wiki + recs <\sh> Unfrgiven++ after all, I'm glad to join him in his writings for the dev docu * tseng Unfrgiven++ <Kamion> MOTU's a usual significant contribution and recommendations are good, no problems <Unfrgiven> mako: finally, ive done some bazaar translations <Unfrgiven> on rosetta <mako> Unfrgiven: nice :) <mako> Unfrgiven: into australian? <Unfrgiven> mako: yeah. <ogra> lol * mdke winces <mako> "command not found, wanker." <jsgotangco> hah <Seveas> hahaha <ogra> LOL <ivoks> :)) <Nafallo> lol <tseng> Log out, hey? <Unfrgiven> mako: "piss off, mate" :) <dholbach> :-) <mako> Kamion: ? <mako> oh right <mako> nevermind <mako> cool <ogra> tseng, isnt ", hey" sa ? <mako> Unfrgiven: welcome dude <Unfrgiven> mako: thanks =) <dholbach> woohoo, Unfrgiven! <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: congrats & all <tseng> ogra: i dunno andyfitz and jdub say it <ogra> yay Unfrgiven ! <mako> JeromeGotangco, jsgotangco you're up <\sh> Unfrgiven: congrats :) * Unfrgiven is so excited... <jsgotangco> ok time for me to wake up <mako> caffeinate, quickly <tseng> jsgotangco as member? <mako> jsgotangco: made a number of important contributsions at UDU <tseng> definately from me. <ajmitch> jsgotangco: you're not already a member? <jsgotangco> ajmitch, missed last meeting (3am) <ogra> i'm astonished too <mako> when people came in without much direction, i personally directed them to jsgotangco :) <ajmitch> we must fix this <mdke> jsgotangco also uploads to the documentation repository and contributes heavily to the kubuntu documentation <ogra> as soon as possible <mako> i'm familiar with jsgotangco's docteam contributions <jsgotangco> ajmitch, (its only 6:30am now) <mako> and i'd be happy to approve him on those alone <Mithrandir> mako: apart from him having a totally unpronouceable irc nick? <jsgotangco> hah <jsgotangco> well i did some specs too <elmo> Mithrandir: just think of it as 'just got tangoed' <mdke> *laughs* <jsgotangco> elmo, nice hehe <Simira> hey! <opi> mako's new nick rulling <ogra> heh <Seveas> mako seems to be on crack ;) <Simira> I'm the only one "tangoing" with Mithrandir! * mdke breaks and orange over Simira <Mithrandir> Simira: it's jsgotangco which just got tangoed, relax. :) <opi> Seveas: he's New Yorker after all ;) <Simira> Mithrandir: hm, ok. We'll do some tango later, then. <jsgotangco> I already started doing PDASupport and looking into diving into universer as well <Kamion> I was surprised jsgotangco wasn't a member already, happy to ack based on UDU stuff I saw <bmjxxkehx> Kamion, elmo: feelings? <elmo> mako: ack <bmjxxkehx> killer <bmjxxkehx> jsgotangco: welcome dude! <\sh> rock <jsgotangco> rock! <mdke> congrats jsgotangco <mako> jsgotangco: go back to sleep :) <jsgotangco> tee hee <ogra> yeah jsgotangco <dholbach> jsgotangco: ROCK <mako> is Ryan Troy here? <jsgotangco> nah...sun is already up <mako> should be <jsgotangco> thanks <kassetra> nope, but I'm here for him. <ogra> mako, sotp changing colors <kassetra> I think he was just leaving work. <mako> well, ryan's reputation preceeds him <kassetra> good. :) <ajmitch> jsgotangco: well done :) <mako> kassetra: want to summarize his deeds for him? <kassetra> In case it didn't, I can tell you all about his work for Ubuntu. <kassetra> yep. <kassetra> He started and runs/administrates the massive Ubuntu Forums. <Kamion> what kind of workload is that? it's not something I have any experience with <mako> i'd love to talk to ryan in more depth, hopefully at the next conf or before, about how we can help integrate those communities <kassetra> He personally hosts the Forums, and has contributed over 700 posts, as well as howto documents and help for users. <Unfrgiven> jsgotangco: contrats! :) <mdke> ah is he ubuntugeek? <kassetra> yes. <JohnDong> yep <mdke> ah cool <kassetra> ubuntu-geek / ubuntugeek = Ryan. <JohnDong> may I add a few words about him? <amu> aha :) <opi> well, if he's Ubuntugeek then it's ++ from me :-) <kassetra> yes, please john! <mako> kassetra: so, is the personal hosting thing problematic? <jsgotangco> wow that guy is like the monster ubuntuforum poster <JohnDong> He also administers my Backports server, which he pays for out of his own pocket <ogra> ARGH * ogra hides from the bad word <JohnDong> He works very hard, always helping me set up new services and such <\sh> B word <mako> the forums were up before our first release IIRC <tseng> you said the magic word!!!!!! <kassetra> Well, it's not problematic in the sense that he handles it completely, but it can be expensive. <jsgotangco> ogra loves backports <ogra> GRR <mako> kassetra: well, i think we should have this conversation then soon <JohnDong> one day, he spent at least 6 hours straight getting Subversion working <kassetra> ok. * Mithrandir gives ogra some valium <mako> kassetra: i'm not entirely sure how we should support that.. and this is probably not the place to have it <ogra> Mithrandir, thanks, i need it * Nafallo tries to ssh ogra again ;-) <ogra> :) <mako> yeah, ogra and ryan can talk about... something .. later <kassetra> Right. Right now he's asking for community donations for a new and improved server... so far, people are willing to help. :) <mako> kassetra: i think we might be able to work out a better way <mdke> the forum is a vital resource <ogra> we should, definatly <mako> in any case, i'm happy to welcome ryan on board <JohnDong> He also pushed for three backports mirrors on my behalf <JohnDong> I highly recommend this guy <kassetra> mako: then go ahead and contact me, I work with Ryan on a daily basis. <tseng> can we seperate the forums and backports issues JohnDong ? <JohnDong> sure :) <ogra> yeah <mako> JohnDong: let's just talk about forums :) <tseng> thanks. <ogra> thanks <dholbach> :-) <\sh> forum++ but Bword-- <mdke> yeah <Seveas> \sh++ <mako> oh man.. i'm glad peopel cant' see me laughing out loud <mako> wait <mako> shit <mdke> forums really need our support <mako> ok <tseng> someone please contact me about mono backports after this btw. <mako> alright ryan++ <mdke> LOL <ogra> tseng+++ <mako> elmo, Kamion: ? <elmo> ack <tseng> but ryan++ <Kamion> ryan++, the forums are clearly a huge chunk of work <\sh> we should see that we route the Bword activity to universe, anyways ryan++ <Kamion> which we oughta acknowledge :) <kassetra> work being the correct word there Kamion. <mako> one of my personal goals in the near future is working on integrating the forums and the rest of the community moer <mako> kassetra: you and ryan and others hewre are going to be super helfpul <kassetra> that's one of our goals as well. <mako> i really appreciate the fact that you guys have showed up here <mako> alright then <mako> kassetra: welcome ryan or tell him to pop by and i'll welcome him :) <mako> AdamIsrael ? <mako> CraigAdams ? <mako> man, you again <nqt> is there a way to find configuration files from packages no longer installed, and delete them? <mako> craigaa: cool, other non-loco stuff we should know about :) <craigaa> yup, I sneak up everywhere <mako> nqt: wrong channel bud <JohnDong> lol <nqt> oh shoot, sorry mako <mako> nqt: no problem <craigaa> various, but lets leave it for now <mako> craigaa: alright, you want to show up again in a few weeks then? <craigaa> actually, all would be considered loco related ;-) <mako> well, significant loco work can work toward membership <mako> but i don't really see that documented on your wiki page yet <\sh> craigaa: 10kg of biltong for a ++? ,-) and some stuff from coconut grove@durban ;) *bribingnow* <craigaa> we'll see :-) * mako blinks at \sh <craigaa> \sh: I'll have to eat it on your behalf though <mako> i have no idea what you said <craigaa> ahh, the uninitiated <jsgotangco> biltong <jsgotangco> yum <mako> craigaa: why don't you work on that wiki page and on documenting those contributions as you go and we'll come back to this :) <\sh> mako: visit durban and eat a chili cheese lamb burger @ coconut grove ;) then u know ;) <craigaa> k <mako> EmilOppelnBronikowski <opi> here <mako> omg opi <ogra> OPI !!! <opi> omg mako ;) <mdke> mako, re the forums, we are working on a way to using forum resources in the wiki <mako> mdke: nice <dieman> yay, back home on the fast network. <mdke> or really, hno71 is <ogra> mako, opis signature was the reason for me to go to irc... without that i wouldnt be here today ;) <mako> opi: why don't you do the whole short intro * mdke slaps opi <mako> c <opi> OK, I'm a LoCo leader, focused on all aspects of Ubuntu <mako> c'mon <mako> opi: how are things going with your loco? <opi> I provide goodies for my LoCo team aswell as help for all the Ubuntu users on Mailing lists ;-) <opi> mako: slow but steady <mako> nice :) <opi> mako: we have first packages done by members <mako> nice <mako> i've been watching and working with opi for what seems like a long time <opi> mako: we have a working Subversion repo to share code <mako> i'm happy to give him my ++ <opi> we're developing own Wiki engine, to see how we're coworking <mako> opi: you're writing a wiki? <opi> the main docs of Ubuntu (ubuntuguide and CoC) are translated <opi> yup <opi> TrickyWiki ;) <ivoks> :) <Kamion> opi: you mentioned Pegasos port work - how've you been getting on with that? <opi> it's on my page <mako> opi: well, that seems a bit much, but :) <amu> mako: opi is cult :) <opi> Kamion: my Pegasos board sits on custom ;) <ogra> yeah <ogra> amu++ <Kamion> sits on custom? <opi> mako: well, it's just a reason to see how people cowork <opi> Kamion: on the border <opi> Kamion: FedEx lags <Kamion> ah, customs <opi> yeah, I should sed that <\sh> from what I saw: opi must be approved...at least for his subversion work and UUS <opi> I want to be MOTU soon, too <ogra> YAY <opi> because I have few packages I'd like to take over from Universe * ogra looks forward to that <ajmitch> good <dholbach> opi: join the fun and pain in #ubuntu-motu :-) <ajmitch> we need more fresh blood :) <ogra> yeah <Kamion> opi: ah, I see, that was a goal not something you'd done, I misread <ogra> and bring some friends with you <opi> calling me a fresh blood is like calling Windows a server platform ;) <ogra> hehe <amu> hehe <Nafallo> hehe <opi> I will, as I said we have few packages <opi> I only need to hint'em to MOUT <opi> people, not packages <JohnDong> greetings, Ryan <JohnDong> :) <RyanTroy> Hey john.. <mdke> RyanTroy, welcome <\sh> opi: get in touch with blvszcz (Rafal Zawadzki) <RyanTroy> Hey mdke <opi> and if I get my Pegasos, I'll bore Kamion to death with my questions <Kamion> heh <opi> \sh: I'm working with him <mako> sorry got a phone call <\sh> opi: good :) <\sh> opi: very good :) <\sh> opi++ <opi> \sh: I just bugzilled his splash-packages ;) <Kamion> RyanTroy: hi, we just approved you for membership <opi> \sh: bugzilled as whined about them on ML ;) <Kamion> welcome, and thanks for your work <\sh> opi: I was working with him on his pyrss :) <mdke> RyanTroy, you are in <mdke> :) <RyanTroy> kamion: Cool :) Thanks everyone <Kamion> RyanTroy: anything you want to talk with us about? <opi> go right ahed, RyanTroy :-) <mako> Kamion,elmo: feelings on opi? <mako> first <mako> RyanTroy: welcome! :) <Kamion> I'm fine with opi, he's been around for ages and doing stuff <ogra> +++ <elmo> ack <mako> RyanTroy: also welcome to life as an ubuntu member <mako> DennisKaarsemaker is up next? <mako> around <Seveas> yes <opi> thanks :-) <mako> opi: welcome aboard dude <Seveas> hi :) <opi> now, the MOTU, next -- World Domination <mako> Seveas: want to do the short rundown <\sh> opi: RyanTroy : congrats to you both :) <opi> I love to be around <Seveas> sure, i've put it all on the wiki, here's the short summary: <ogra> Seveas, you always hide behind this undescriptive nick :) <Seveas> I have done a lot of community work on IRC (#ubuntu and #ubuntu-nl), have started the dutch translation of the ubuntu website and am advocating ubuntu as much as possible. My plans for ubuntu involve network magic with WPA, making ubuntu rock the kasbah on grid computing and doing more community work (and a small docteam related thing). <RyanTroy> I am glad we are starting to get the forums integrated with other ubuntu aspects.. hendrik,mako and jeff have all contacted me about various things. I guess we should come up with a plan of sorts on how we can integrate even more. <Seveas> ogra, my former nick (Catweazle) got stolen :) <ogra> Seveas, you forgot hundrets of mails to the ML <opi> mako: I'll write to you about the pgp key ;-) <Burgundavia> mako, Seveas would make a great #ubuntu op <mako> RyanTroy: we also should talk about ways to help you out with hosting <ogra> Burgundavia++++ <mdke> whenever i've been in #ubuntu Seveas has always been there helping <mako> Burgundavia: ahh, ok <Seveas> Burgundavia, thank you <opi> mako: erhm. CoC signing. <crimsun> Seveas++ for member <mako> anyone here worked with Seveas and want to vouch <mako> Seveas: so you are dutch <jsgotangco> me too Seveas++ he's always visible <dholbach> absolutely <wdh> mdke, same for #ubuntu-nl <Seveas> yes, i am working with Treenaks on the dutchteam <mako> Seveas: so you are probably used to people pointing out that your name has "arse" in it <RyanTroy> mako: yeah sounds good what do you have in mind? <mako> RyanTroy: lets talk after <RyanTroy> mako: ok <Seveas> mako, no, never had to do that :) <mako> Seveas: glad i could be the first :) <Seveas> kaars == candle, that's what they see :) <mako> arse means a little something different where i come from <jsgotangco> heh <Seveas> i know :) <mako> well with that clear, i'm happy to have you as a member <mako> Kamion, elmo: ? <elmo> ack <Simira> Seveas: ah, you're on the Dutch team? <Seveas> Simira, yes, one of the first members <Seveas> i (try to) maintain the website <mako> Burgundavia: you're up <Burgundavia> yo <Kamion> yes, ack Seveas for member based on recommendations <Simira> Seveas: I'd want a talk with you at some point then, about a European-covering webshop and some stuff. But not tonight, please <mako> Seveas: welcome! :) <RyanTroy> One thing that has raised a concern in the past few weeks, is forum interaction with certain members of the doc team. <mako> Seveas: send me the signec co :) <\sh> Seveas: *handshake* grats :) <Seveas> Simira, contact me off-chat at cisneroselizabeth@example.net then <Burgundavia> so I have done doc stuff and I went to Mataro <mako> RyanTroy: can we bring this up right after the members? <Seveas> mako, k <Seveas> \sh thank you! <RyanTroy> mako: yeah no problem * mako is familiar with Burgundavia from IRC and from the docteam work <Seveas> mako, thanks too! <mako> and i'm willing to vouch for his work <mako> and willing to approve him based on that <Burgundavia> more recently I have been working with mvo and mpt regarding the synaptic UI <jsgotangco> he also did a talk <mdke> Seveas, nice one * Seveas vouches for Burgundavia based on irc <jsgotangco> (i dont remember where though) <mako> Burgundavia: cool :) <Burgundavia> I also am trying to bridge the forum <--> developer gap <Burgundavia> and trying to do some packaging <mdke> Burgundavia is a Ubuntu machine <mako> Burgundavia: nice :) <Burgundavia> oh, and the speech <Burgundavia> some promotion of rosetta <Burgundavia> #ubuntu <mako> Burgundavia: loads of great non-code contributions * Burgundavia is not really that busy <mdke> he is always full of ideas for the documentation team <mako> thanks dude for all of it :) <wdh> Seveas, feli <dholbach> Burgundavia will be MOTUGames pusher! <mako> Kamion, elmo: feelings? <ogra> Burgundavia helped a lot on MOTU stuff where he could !! <mako> NO GAMES WE DONT LIKE FUN HERE <elmo> mako: ack <Burgundavia> I have one upload <\sh> and for his effords to fill in this gap between forum <->dev and his way to talk and help on irc a ++ <Burgundavia> more soon, when I wrap my head further around the deb system <mako> in fact, i think having someone with arse in their name may be TOO FUN and consider retracting Seveas's membership <Kamion> Burgundavia's fine by me <Seveas> :p <ogra> mako, LOL * Burgundavia is also looking for a job, so his contribs might drop sharply in the very near future, but hopes to keep them up <mako> Seveas: we'll let this one slide :) <mako> Burgundavia: welcome dude <mdke> yay :D <ogra> hooray <mako> AnteKaramatic <mdke> congrats Burgundavia <Seveas> welcome aboard Burgundavia <ivoks> Ante is here ;) <ogra> ivoks !!! <dholbach> ivoks!!! <ivoks> hi all <dholbach> woohoo! <opi> Burgundavia: I'm going to quit, so it will be in the middle again <\sh> ivoks rocks <ogra> yay <ogra> ivoks is cool <mako> \sh: also rhymes <ivoks> well, as my wiki says, i'm from zagreb, croatia <ogra> and did already a _lot_ for the CXX transition <mako> ivoks: hey.. we should talk after the meeting <ivoks> i'm doing some cxx transition <dholbach> ogra: triple-double-ber-++ :-) <ivoks> mako: ok :) <ogra> +++++++++ <dholbach> SOME! <dholbach> hahaha <dholbach> :-) <ogra> hehe * dholbach hugs ivoks <\sh> quite easy to work with him....he was cxx transing quite a lot..a +^10 from me * ogra hugs ivoks <ivoks> ok, guys :) u make me blush <ogra> great :) <\sh> red ivoks? ,-) <ivoks> where was I? <opi> ivoks: we can create ubuntu-balkans now ;-) <mako> ivoks: nice wiki page * mako is happy to approve ivoks <Kamion> ivoks++ for scarily dedicated MOTU work <ivoks> yes, only one package from scratch <mako> elmo: ? <ivoks> ok :) <elmo> ack <dholbach> ROCK! <Seveas> PAPER! <Kamion> BTW please make sure that changelogs properly credit contributors <mdke> ivoks, :) <ivoks> thanks guys :) <mako> ivoks: welcome to the team dude <mako> Kamion++ <mako> so.. KarianneGrnningster <\sh> ivoks: u made it :) <Simira> meow <ogra> Kamion, sorry, my fault <ivoks> hehe thanks to all of you <Unfrgiven> ivoks: congrats!!! :) <Simira> Karianne is me <Kamion> some of the packages ivoks mentioned seem to have been uploaded by others, I don't know whether that was work colliding or not, but it makes it hard to check up on things <opi> yahoo![tm] ivoks <ivoks> Kamion: by doko <mako> ivoks: thanks dude for all your contributions. hopefully we will meet soon <Simira> I'm mainly working on Norwegian LoCo stuff, for the time being, trying to put some translations inbetween <ogra> Kamion, as i said, my fault.... <dholbach> ivoks: you should mail elmo, so he can whitelist your mailadress <Mithrandir> mako: you did just paste those funny characters. :P <Kamion> ogra: no problem since you're here, just for future reference <ivoks> mako: sure :) i'll do my best to continue <ogra> Kamion, i did nearly all of the uploads <mako> Mithrandir: no... <mako> Mithrandir: yes <Kamion> Simira++ for member, for loco work, as far as I'm concerned <Simira> we've got some ok web pages ut on www.ubuntu.no (well, that's Mithrandir's work), and I get a decent response on that. We've got about 30 members on two mailing lists. <mako> Simira: awesome.. what is translating into norwegian like? building a community <Mithrandir> Simira: I'm just technically responsible, I don't do translations and content and stuff. <mako> norway seems to be in this strange place where so many people speak english that you have this huge pool of translators and what appears to be less of a need <Seveas> mako, that goes for holland too :) <mkde> = mdke <mako> i swear, there is a high english speaking population in oslo than new york city <Kamion> oh, I could do with Norwegian-speaker help on #2539 and #4172 <Mithrandir> mako: like .nl, a lot of computer literate people prefer to operate their computer in English here but we really really want translations for stuff like schools and reaching out. <mako> Simira: once you fix those bugs, you can be a member :) <Simira> mako: I'm contacting the LUG's around, informing about Ubuntu. We've already got a handful of active translators, and a good discussion around it. I must admit I've little overview about what's being translated just now, as LoCo-stuff takes most of my Ubuntu-work-time <doko> ivoks: welcome! <Kamion> mako: harsh dude :) <ivoks> doko: thanks :) <mako> fine fine, i approve Simira even without fixing those bugs :) <mako> Mithrandir: hmm <ogra> hooray for ivoks <Simira> mako: don't you want to hear more? I want to have a webshop! For NO, and possibly Europe. And I want some cool Ubuntu/Canonical people like youself to come and speak to us. <Mithrandir> Kamion: the first one I can take a look at, but I might need access to a mac and not just a pegasos. <mkde> Simira, great idea <mako> Simira: what is a webshop? <mkde> a shop online i presumed <mako> and how would i come to a web shop <Simira> I'll have a look at those, Kamion ;) Though technically, Mithrandir is probably the guy. I could assign a LoCo member in any case. <mako> ok, she called me cool MAKE HER A MEMBER <mkde> *grins* <mako> elmo: ? <Mithrandir> Kamion: the second one is because of missing norwegian translations and the LANGUAGES fallback. <opi> mako: I need t onotify Mika about your IRC sessions ;-) <Simira> mako: an online shop. You coming to speak to LoCo-people not related to that. ;p I just want to push t-shirts, and stickers, and keyrings, and cups, and... you know <mkde> Simira, i think thats a fantastic and much needed idea <opi> I badly need a sticker for my bass :-) <mako> Simira: cool.. i'll traveling around europe much of this summer doing the ubuntu advocacy thing.. we can arrange something.. post meeting or tomorrow romsehting * Seveas wants ubuntu toilet paper :p <mako> Simira: that sounds great :) <elmo> mako: ack <mkde> ubuntu pyjamas please <\sh> simira: i need a new trolltech shirt, can u ask them to send me one? mine's 4 years old ;) <Simira> mdke, mako: silbs seemed ok about it. <Simira> heyhey! I need to get this thing up running first, ok? I'll put the url on the mailing lists and wiki as soon as it's up! <jsgotangco> ubuntu toilet paper with mako's image hmmm <opi> Simira: we want effects now! ;)) <Mithrandir> mkde: I guess we'll start with t-shirts and proceed to pyjamases a bit later. :) <Kamion> Mithrandir/Simira: yes, the first one is more people who know what Norwegian Mac keyboards actually look like <Mithrandir> Kamion: I could get you a picture of one, certainly, but I don't have a mac. :) <mkde> Mithrandir, ;) <mako> jsgotangco: is sacrficing people's kaarse's is what it takes to promote ubuntu, i'll do it <Simira> I liked the pyjamas idea. But what's the point in cool clothing that noone (or at least few) will see? <Mithrandir> Simira: PYJAMAS PARTIES! <mako> sorry.. <Simira> Ubuntu Pyjamas parties???? <mako> if sacrificing my image to people's kaarses <Mithrandir> Kamion: or I could buy a mac usb keyboard and send it to you or something. <Mithrandir> Simira: think of the conferences <Seveas> Mithrandir++ * mkde nods <Simira> we definitely have to have one at the conferences then, yes <\sh> "The Ubuntu Breezy Badger European Pyjama Release Party" (TUBBEPRP) <Seveas> hahaha <mako> :) <mako> alright <mako> Simira: welcome on board! <Nafallo> Simira, Mithrandir: We're on that one! :-) <mako> FrodeDoeving <mako> last up <mkde> Simira, :D <Simira> sigurdga is one of "my" faithful LoCo members and translators, and "we want t-shirts" pushers <uniq> kamion, mithrandir i'll get a norwegian ibook some day this week. if that'll help. <uniq> yes. FrodeDoeving is me. <Simira> thanks folks, I'll do my best <uniq> I've been working with the kubuntu guys for some time. I've packaged a few packages, and there are more to come. I also help out in #kubuntu cisneroselizabeth@example.net. <Simira> *digs into webshop startup research* <mako> uniq: hey, nice wiki page <mako> uniq: want to do a bit of overview? <uniq> And after this norwegian session here.. i'll have to link up with simira some time. <Riddell> uniq is great, we want him * ogra hugs Simira (if tollef allows that) <Kamion> uniq: help moving the Edubuntu project forward would certainly be useful; it's a top priority for breezy <ogra> yeah <uniq> kamion: great, hope i can help. <Kamion> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu <amu> mako: uniq helps a lot, +++ <Kamion> (if you didn't know that already) <uniq> kamion: i've seen it :) <Simira> uniq/mako: kde has its own translation project, so we're not concentrating much on them, for the Norwegian translation team-part of it. But of course some communication would do good. <\sh> I think we need uniq to dominate the universe so ++++ :) * Kamion thwaps amu and \sh for invalid C syntax. :) * amu look for doko and ask about help <mako> uniq: nice page, i'm ahppy to have on board <\sh> Kamion: it's the syntax of perl 15.5 ;) <mako> Kamion, elmo: ? <uniq> mako: thanks :) <Kamion> I'm fine with uniq <elmo> yeah, ack <mkde> :) <LinuxJones> Kamion, I am going to be working on some Instructional Training Videos using Ubuntu might they be used as training materials for Edubuntu ? <mako> uniq: welcome on board <mako> :) <doko> ? <\sh> uniq: congrats <uniq> mako: thank you :) <doko> amu: ? <uniq> \sh: thanks :) <Kamion> LinuxJones: I don't really know anything about the substance of Edubuntu, but it seems to be in scope <ivoks> congrats <LinuxJones> Kamion, ok <Seveas> mako, is there a list of approved members somewhere? <mkde> also, did anything come of the CC members get ops in #ubuntu idea? <dholbach> Seveas: it's *a bit* incomplete <dholbach> i think it was UbuntuMembers <mkde> #ubuntu still gets rowdy sometimes <mako> umm.. ok <mako> sorry about this <mako> let's wrap up <Seveas> yeah i want to know that too, that was my #1 reason to apply for membership earlier than i planned to :) <mako> so smurfix <jsgotangco> umm <jsgotangco> mako <jsgotangco> wait <mako> yes <jsgotangco> how about suggestions <\sh> not only #ubuntu :( <mako> jsgotangco: suggestions for? <mako> smurfix: you still around? <smurfix> yep <mkde> \sh, those damn -devels are rowdy too <jsgotangco> I think we need a community based marketing team * tseng nominates jsgotangco to leade marketing team <mako> jsgotangco: alright.. lets move that down to any other business.. lets finish the things on the agenda <mako> we're almost there <tseng> :D <jsgotangco> gyah <mako> tseng: i think that may be a pretty sane solution :) <mako> smurfix: so, loco issues <\sh> mkde: well...i'm not talking about devs on crack ;) <mako> smurfix: there were two things on the mailing list.. is there anything you want to bring up now that we can address in the next weeks? <mkde> \sh, guess it keeps em sane <mako> any comments you want to make about either of the loco items on the agenda <smurfix> Simira has created a LoCoTeamRunning page which I think is a very good idea -- please add stuff, esp. loco leaders/contacts ;) <mkde> i think it might be useful to address the list question <opi> smurfix: I will <opi> smurfix: btw: what's with the Loco-leaders ML? <opi> smurfix: it's quiet. or dead. <smurfix> mkde: I was getting to that <smurfix> opi: We want to set one up at ubuntu-central instead <mkde> sorry, didn't mean to sound impatient at all :) <opi> smurfix: OK <smurfix> We had some brainstorming about the when-teams-become-teams question at UDU <mako> right <opi> teams-becomes-team when it acts like one <smurfix> My rule-of-thumb criterion is "the team's entry in the list is reasonably complete and I see some activity" <smurfix> opi: exactly <mkde> opi, ++ <smurfix> As to the loco/docteam confusion, the French example has shown that there is indeed a problem :-/ <smurfix> s/doc/language <opi> when you see something coming out from the group, you can say they are team :-) <opi> smurfix: and .it team <smurfix> which I probably have to think about a bit more before I get ideas what to do about it -- suggestions welcome <mako> alright <mako> so if necessary, i think we can write something up for the next meeting <mako> but i'm not even sure that is necessary <smurfix> opi: That, too. The leader/contact rename is mostly done, except that I have to poll the teams on the list and ask about the role the person in it has <mako> this meeting seems to be running out of steam :) <mako> smurfix: does that sounds sane? <smurfix> which I was kindof deferring until we have a mailing list again ;) <opi> mako: it's quite late here ;) <smurfix> mako: sure -- being aware of the problem, in the future I'll tell new loco people to check "there" too <smurfix> that might be enough <mkde> is the current best spec on the udu wiki or the main one? <smurfix> so, let's warp it up I guess <Kamion> I'm fading pretty past <opi> smurfix: I think that good LoCo team needs almost no additional attention from Leader <Kamion> er, fast <mako> alrigh then <mako> is there any othe business <smurfix> mkde: the UDU one is more verbose ;-) <mako> other business <opi> smurfix: I consider Leader to be a connector between CC and them <mkde> smurfix, kthx <mako> i'm happy to stay online and talk to people about stuff we've defered under after the meeting <mako> going once... <mako> going twice... <opi> sold <craigaa> sold <mako> going three times... <mako> GONE <ivoks> ewe <mako> thanks everyone <jsgotangco> sold <mako> send me the cocs <jsgotangco> great <ivoks> heh <mako> signed CoCs from all new members <jsgotangco> mako's CoC <mako> welcome on board! <Seveas> mako, you already have mine :) <ivoks> i hate working in dark :) <mako> see you all in a couple weeks or sooner :) <mako> Kamion, elmo: thanks <jsgotangco> signed (and even encrypted) <opi> mako: you're going away again? ;) <Kamion> thanks, folks <opi> g'night all :-) <ivoks> thank you ;) <jsgotangco> great meeting <craigaa> good morning all <Unfrgiven> thanks all <craigaa> see you around <Seveas> g'night everyone <ivoks> bye guys <dholbach> thanks everyone <mkde> night all <Simira> nighty! <xuzo> good night all <ogra> yeah thanks <\sh> night community... <mako> i'm going to take a few minutes break <mako> but i'll be around <ivoks> :) <jsgotangco> ok <jsgotangco> mako, let's talk later <uniq> mako: I send my CoC 25. april, should I send a new one? <Seveas> mako, did you know that CoC is also the dutch gay organization :p <mako> Seveas: excellent! <mako> Seveas: website? <Seveas> www.coc.nl (in dutch) <mako> uniq: umm.. let give me a second to look it upt <jsgotangco> mako, look up mine as well if you can (please) <Seveas> http://www.coc.nl/dopage.pl?thema=any&pagina=algemeen&algemeen_id=126 <== english version <ivoks> i can't look anumore <ivoks> :( <uniq> mako: the one without signatures from someone in the biglumber. <jsgotangco> wow CoC lives <mako> JohnDong: hey dude? <mako> you still around? <JohnDong> yeah <mako> Kamion, elmo: still around either of you? <mkde> i wonder if there is a UK locoteam <elmo> yes <Riddell> mkde: someone was appointed contact <mako> there was a miscommunication in regards to the agenda <Riddell> never heard anything out of it <mako> john dong showed up here.. he was postponed for a while until he showed up <Kamion> mako: barely <mkde> Riddell, we should get one sorted for presence at conferences and stuff <mako> he'd like to be considered for membershi <JohnDong> :-) <mako> he does like 4h/day in the forums... 2000 posts.. done does umm.. (backports) work <mkde> this guy is king of the forums <JohnDong> lol, I try :) * mako happy to see John as a member <kassetra> So would I. <mako> although i think you should really talk to some of the motu people about the backports <jsgotangco> of course <JohnDong> like it or not, there's 24,000 hungry B-word users, according to 7 days worth of stats collection <mkde> not <JohnDong> lol <mkde> that is a lot tho <mako> JohnDong: right, but you need to take into account some of the problems that this has caused the rest of the ubuntu team <uniq> mako: I'll have to call it a day. Would be great if you sendt me a privmsg or a mail or something with the status on the signed coc. <Kamion> demand or not we'd still like to get as much into the distro proper as possible <mako> and maybe there are ways of serving those people in ways that are less problematic <uniq> gnite all. <JohnDong> I try to resolve those in any way possible <JohnDong> I understand the trouble that it's caused <Kamion> and make sure that fixes don't get lost in backports <JohnDong> tseng just lectured me about Mono <JohnDong> :) <mako> JohnDong: there are a series of problems <tseng> i wouldnt say lectured :P <JohnDong> lol <tseng> kassetra is speaking with me also <tseng> maybe <kassetra> :) <tseng> we can put together a meeting time? <ogra> maybe ? <mako> in any case, i think maybe a tb+motu+backport team meeting would be in order <dholbach> and kassetra absolutely made sure i know you rock and you do ALOT OF work <mako> yeah lets do that <ajmitch> tseng: talked strongly? : <tseng> to discuss backports issues? <tseng> ajmitch: I ROCKED HIS FACE <ajmitch> mako: agreed <JohnDong> cool <JohnDong> I'm for it <mako> but if Kamion and elmo are alright, i'm happy to accept john as a member based on the forums contributions alone <Seveas> The biggest problem that backports caused is a serious problem to opi's valium consumption :) <JohnDong> lol <JohnDong> I see that <mako> and the backports are a serious contribution <mako> in terms of size if nothing else :) <elmo>
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