#ubuntu-leadership 2011-11-01
 * Cheesehead is lost in memory as he backs up his laptop
<bkerensa> Only took canonical four weeks to re-add Ubuntulog to our channel
<bkerensa> :P
<jrgifford> bkerensa: four weeks?
<bkerensa> indeed
<bkerensa> LOL
<jrgifford> which channel...?
<jrgifford> this one?
<bkerensa> I sent them two tickets
<bkerensa> #ubuntu-us-or
<bkerensa> :D
<jrgifford> oh. lol. lame.
<bkerensa> mind you we have two canonical employees who idled :P
<jrgifford> hah..... not funny but is funny.
<YoBoY> morning
<jrgifford> Good morning YoBoY.
<DarkwingUDS> Moning
<DarkwingUDS> *Morning
<ashams> philipballew, ping
<philipballew> hello ashams
<ashams> Hi
<ashams> howdy
<ashams> you participate remotely, right?
<philipballew> yes
<ashams> do you know when the leadership mini-summit will happen?
<philipballew> its on the schedule somewhere. Let me look
<DarkwingUDS> This afternoon local time.
<philipballew> DarkwingUDS is the man
<ashams> DarkwingUDS, philipballew thanks :)
<DarkwingUDS> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/
<DarkwingUDS> GARG
<DarkwingUDS> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/today/
<jrgifford> Cheesehead: that's a shame. :(
<jrgifford> I had four people who were going to be at that meeting.
<jrgifford> now I'm going to have to track them all down independently. :P
<Cheesehead> jrgifford: It's still better than rearranging the schedule to attend, then showing up to discover all effort in vain. Even same day notice was appreciated, and I un-cancelled something else.
<jrgifford> Cheesehead: yeah, that's true.
<NRWlion> Cheesehead: ping!
<Cheesehead> NRWlion: Pong
<NRWlion> Cheesehead: see pm
<NRWlion> ;)
<NRWlion> re
<NRWlion> btw someone should change the topic ;) oct 24th is already passed ;)
<jrgifford> !topic change
<jrgifford> wait, doesn't work like that. forgot. ;P
<jrgifford> NRWlion: who has the power to do that?
<NRWlion> chan ops
<NRWlion> like Cheesehead or so
<Cheesehead> I'm not an op.
<NRWlion> Cheesehead: btw. you will get a mail soon
<NRWlion> found the original mail i sent
<Cheesehead> NRWlion: Thank you!
<NRWlion> i am just re-translating
<Cheesehead> NRWlion: You don;t need to translate it. Testimonials can be in any Googleable language.
<NRWlion> Cheesehead: if i do a testimonial i do it right ;)
<NRWlion> Cheesehead: have a look at your mail ;)
<Cheesehead> Well, thank you for the effort, too.
<jrgifford> whoa, it's so easy to not store passwords in plaintext, WHY DO PEOPLE DO IT?!
<Cheesehead> NRWlion: Say, I just received e-mail from you
<jrgifford> whoops, wrong channel. :P
<NRWlion> Cheesehead: feel free to tell me your opinion on that ;) i havent done much testimonials
<Cheesehead> NRWlion: I quite like it. Just put it up
<NRWlion> Cheesehead: i am already in my bed :(
<NRWlion> could Ã½ou?
<NRWlion> perhaps?
<Cheesehead> Oops, I should have written "I just put it up". I did so. Sorry for the confusion."
<jrgifford> problem with Cheesehead doing it is then when the board looks at history, they'll think he tried to make himself look good. :P
<Cheesehead> jrgifford: That's why I invited my enemies also.
<jrgifford> Cheesehead: indeed.
 * Cheesehead ducks out for a few minutes to run an errand
<NRWlion> jrgifford: i have an original odt on my local machine
<NRWlion> ;)
<NRWlion> so i have evidence that i wrote it
 * jrgifford shrug
<NRWlion> shrug?
 * NRWlion is translating
 * Cheesehead returns
<NRWlion> wb cheese
<Cheesehead> NRWlion: THanks
#ubuntu-leadership 2011-11-02
<SilverLion> saijonara
<SilverLion> :D
<NRWlion> hi there
<SilverLion> :p
<Cheesehead> philipballew: Still up for an IRC workshop?
<philipballew> yeah, i am free now
<Cheesehead> Have you seen the Googledocs list of subjects?
<philipballew> I was wondering what I can sign myself up for to offer to help with skills and experience I have
 * Cheesehead fishes for the link
<Cheesehead> https://docs.google.com/document/d/13VOmTgEqCzIW8oITV2d5fIRD3xsiKRVMd39OUlpx6xQ
<philipballew> I have already been helping dave and amber for the past few months getting a few things made
 * philipballew reads link
<Cheesehead> There are currently 35 skills on the list.
<Cheesehead> You can help teach any you feel comfortable teaching
<Cheesehead> You can assist any you are interested in but don't feel up to teaching
<philipballew> alright. my experience with Ubuntu has several strong areas.
<philipballew> planning and support and some examples
<Cheesehead> You can teach something that has already been signed up for at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Projects(the more trainers, the better)
<philipballew> we might have a problem.
<philipballew> the link is blank
<Cheesehead> If a skill is missing, you can add it to the GoogleDoc list
<philipballew> like its a untitled document
<Cheesehead> Hmmm. Give it a minute to load. Mine goes slowly...
#ubuntu-leadership 2011-11-03
<Cheesehead> Hang on...
<jrgifford> yeah, it looks like an untitled document here as well.
<Cheesehead> https://docs.google.com/document/d/13VOmTgEqCzIW8oITV2d5fIRD3xsiKRVMd39OUlpx6xQ/edit?hl=en_US
<Cheesehead> I missed part of the tail the the previous paste. Apologies.
<jrgifford> ok, it's loading how. thanks Cheesehead. :)
 * Cheesehead waits to see if the list comes up...
<Cheesehead> The way I plan to run my sessions is Very Little Lecture (TM)
 * Cheesehead jokes about trademarks becasue he thinks it's funny. Nobody else does
<Cheesehead> Thanks, narrator.
<jrgifford> heh, i joke about trademarks all the time. :D
<Cheesehead> Mostly sharing stories
<jrgifford> they be funny
<Cheesehead> A shill or two in the audience (assistant) to keep the conversation moving
 * philipballew learns to read
 * philipballew reads document
<Cheesehead> And as each story touches on an important point, the trainer just hilights it.
<philipballew> so what happens when I sign up for a topic?
<Cheesehead> It's a style that works well with 5-8 participants
<Cheesehead> When you sign up for a topic, I get notified (because I subscribe to the page)
<Cheesehead> And when I create the schedule, I put you on it.
<philipballew> so am i leading a session on this topic?
<Cheesehead> If someone is uncomfortable or nervaouss and wants to do a 10-minute practice run, that can be easily arranged.
<Cheesehead> If you sign up as a trainer, you are volunteering to lead a workshop.
<Cheesehead> Any skills strike you? (Any not on the list, too?)
 * Cheesehead fills the dishwasher
<Cheesehead> If you sign up as an assistant, then you're supporting the trainer however they need.
<philipballew> ChanServ, I have run sessions both in ubuntu user days and ubuntu open week
<philipballew> no...
<philipballew> Cheesehead, ^
<philipballew> I am okay in that area
 * Cheesehead is confused
<Cheesehead> Which area?
<jrgifford> in the public-irc-speaking area
<Cheesehead> That's an important skill right there.
<Cheesehead> Speaking on what topics?
<jrgifford> he should teach us that
<philipballew> here, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/philipballew
 * Cheesehead reads
<philipballew> its on the table of contents on ubuntu classroom
 * Cheesehead still reads
 * philipballew still pretends to know what he is doing
 * Cheesehead also pretends to know what he is doing
 * Cheesehead still reads while cleaning the kitchen
 * philipballew does homework
<philipballew> correction
 * philipballew attempts homework
<Cheesehead> I see on your blog you planned and executed a successful Ubuntu Hour, and followed it up with more ideas to improve it. That's another whole session right there.
<Cheesehead> How comfortable are you with facilitating discussions instead of the more-common lecture format?
<jrgifford> i don't think you're asking me, but i'm somewhat familiar.
 * Cheesehead is trying to recruit jrgifford, too
<jrgifford> hehe.
<philipballew> Cheesehead, I run a ubuntu hour all the time
<Cheesehead> jrgifford: How about your favorite skills from the list?
<philipballew> have run two different ones
<jrgifford> Cheesehead: reading it right now
<philipballew> creating discussion. I can do that. I am currently blogging about what to do when noone comes to your ubuntu hour
<philipballew> it happened last night :)
<jrgifford> I like turning lurkers into awesome folks
<jrgifford> i'm not good, but I like trying.
<philipballew> all the main people were at uds
<Cheesehead> philipballew: I run one, too. And nobody comes. So I think Ubuntu Hour Strategies and Tactics is a rich field for discussion.
<philipballew> or catholic church
<philipballew> I will talk about that and try to get people talking
<Cheesehead> philipballew: Would you *please* add that skill to the googledocs list? and then, *pretty please* sign up as a trainer for that subject on the wiki page?
<philipballew> alright.
 * philipballew again attempts to act like he knows what he is doing
<Cheesehead> On the wiki, please put me down as an assistant. I'll be there anyway, so I may as well help...
<philipballew> alright. I would love to
 * Cheesehead snaps the chain shut around philipballew's ankle
<philipballew> UBUNTU FOR LIFE!!!!
<Cheesehead> philipballew: Whose life? (or what object's life?)
<philipballew> My life . lol
<philipballew> where's the wiki from this afternoon?
<Cheesehead> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19370/community-p-leadership-team/
<Cheesehead> ?
<philipballew> yeah, this
<philipballew> well i can use this to get to the page to add my name
<Cheesehead> Add your name?
 * Cheesehead meant https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Projects#skills for IRC workshops
<philipballew> well Cheesehead is that not where I should add my name?
<Cheesehead> Please add your name to the wiki link. You can add your name to the summit link if you wish -of course-, but the wiki link is what I'm using for the IRC planning
<philipballew> Cheesehead, ok, so what is the exact link you need me to have
 * philipballew has seen to many links today
<philipballew> Cheesehead, https://docs.google.com/document/d/13VOmTgEqCzIW8oITV2d5fIRD3xsiKRVMd39OUlpx6xQ/edit?hl=en_US is that look good
<Cheesehead> philipballew: Er, would you mind terribly moving your additions down to #37-ish?
 * Cheesehead shuts up when he sees philipballew is ahead of me
<philipballew> :)
<Cheesehead> Gentlemen, those three ideas look great.
<Cheesehead> next step is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Projects#skills
<philipballew> I have no problem running all the discussions on these ideas here I have presented
<Cheesehead> philipballew: Then do *please* sign yourself up on the wiki link  I just posted...
<philipballew> Cheesehead, what exactly is assistant and trainer?
<philipballew> so I know what's up around here these days
<jrgifford> excellent, Cheesehead you be organized
<Cheesehead> Trainer is primary. Assistant is whatever help is needed or wanted.
<Cheesehead> Trainer is the subject expert, assistant need not be an expert.
<Cheesehead> For example, my assistants will help facilitate slow conversation.
<Cheesehead> As the trainer, it's the ace up my sleeve to prevent a slow class.
<jrgifford> ok, i'll add myself in the morning, need to go now.
<jrgifford> awesome, I love the way this is going.
<Cheesehead> jrgifford: Thank you! Have a good night.
 * jrgifford is going to steal some tricks from Cheesehead for the ubuntu power users group. :D
<Cheesehead> That's what sharing is for :) It's only stealing if you gove nothing back...
<Cheesehead> like better spelling
<philipballew> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Projects
<philipballew> ^look at the mess I might have made
<Cheesehead> Fabulous.
 * philipballew gets dinner 
<philipballew> nothing beats school cafeteria food
<Cheesehead> philipballew: Thanks for getting involved, and for digging until you found gold!
<Cheesehead> I plan to work up a tentative schedule Friday, I'll send it 'round e-mail.
<philipballew> alright. i want to see this take off. it looks cool!
<Cheesehead> For feedback. Since, of course, trainers need to be able to make their sessions!
 * Cheesehead mus go off to put kids to bed
<Cheesehead> Have agood night, everybody!
 * Cheesehead looks at his fingers in disbelief
 * Cheesehead departs
<Cheesehead> valorie, DarwinSurvivor, philipballew : IRC session tentative schedule at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Projects . I would certainly love input, especially about how to make the time zones work....
<philipballew> I live in California
<Cheesehead> philipballew: Right. I don;t want you to have to get up in the middle of the night to teach. that would be silly.
<Cheesehead> But it's just as silly for us to ignore Ubuntu members at the antipodes
<philipballew> I would rather do that then like 6 am
<DarwinSurvivor> Cheesehead: i think we should find out what time zones people are in that want to attend
<philipballew> thats when I get up for uds this week
<DarwinSurvivor> if someone isn't planning on attending, no point in working their time-zone into it
<Cheesehead> DarwinSurvivor: True, but then are we guilty of North-America-centrism?
<DarwinSurvivor> not if there is no interrest outside of north ameria
<DarwinSurvivor> *america
<philipballew> What time will these be in regular people time?
<DarwinSurvivor> if someone from europe/china/japan/africa/etc wants to attend, we can try to work the schedule to accomodate them
<DarwinSurvivor> philipballew: define "regular people time" :P
<philipballew> This is going to sound bad now
<Cheesehead> I think some time-shifting (morning and evening) will be needed. That;s one option.
<philipballew> California Time
<DarwinSurvivor> well, that works for me! (british columbia)
<Cheesehead> Well, 0500 in CA is 2200 in Tokyo
<DarwinSurvivor> although we really should post everything in UTC, so people only need to convert once.
<Cheesehead> But evening people in CA and morning people in JP get annoyed by that.
<Cheesehead> (I'm a morning person)
<DarwinSurvivor> when do we find out who is interrested?
<Cheesehead> Agreed, final time posting will be in UTC - that's an accepted standard in the community
<Cheesehead> DarwinSurvivor: Ah, there;s the rub
<DarwinSurvivor> do we get some notice, or do they just "show up"?
<Cheesehead> Show up
<DarwinSurvivor> ah....
<DarwinSurvivor> how is it advertised?
<philipballew> i will blog to the planet
<Cheesehead> Well, blog, planet, fridge, IRC Chatter, e-mail, etc. Everything except TV.
<DarwinSurvivor> so it's just everyone personally sending out where-ever?
<DarwinSurvivor> will there be anything on the ubuntu site? other than the fridge
<Cheesehead> Ubuntu site?
<Cheesehead> I think most of our interested folks keep an eye on the planet, UWN, and their favorite team meetings.
<DarwinSurvivor> basically, is canonical going to be doing any announcements about upcoming training sessions, or is it 100% up to us?
<Cheesehead> 100% us
<Cheesehead> Anything from Canonical is a bonus.
<Cheesehead> It's not their project.
<philipballew> it wont happen from them
<Cheesehead> philipballew: We don;t know that.
<philipballew> I guess not
<DarwinSurvivor> ok
<Cheesehead> Sure, we could launch a "Hey, Jono, please blog about this"..and he probably would. But is that going to get any extra participants on board?
<DarwinSurvivor> does anyone remember that site we used a while back to pick meeting times? (voting for time slots)
<Cheesehead> I'm heading off to bed in a minute. We don't need to decide this tonight. Just think about the issues - how can we plan the times for maximum participation and minimum confusion?
<Cheesehead> (and take a look at that wiki link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Projects to see if the general flow makes sense)
<philipballew> it looks good.
<philipballew> what is going to be the governing structure here you think?
<Cheesehead> structure?
<philipballew> well we have people in charge here, or will it be more all in charge?
<Cheesehead> Well, me have a lot of polite people here, too.
<Cheesehead> My topics involve a lot of sharing, so I plan to use that gregariousness
<Cheesehead> I also plan to have a shill in the audience to help keep things flowing the right direction
<Cheesehead> PLus, if needed, the channel can be moderated
<Cheesehead> Am I addressing structure?
<Cheesehead> I wonder about Dec 6 and Dec 20. They are closely related. I must ask them if they want to build on each other's session, or if I should split them up.
 * Cheesehead yawns
<Cheesehead> Ah, my toothbrush is calling. Good night!
 * Cheesehead departs
<benonsoftware> Hello all
<valorie> hi folks -- I'm willing to do my session any time, or twice, or whatever works
<valorie> I"m NOT a morning person, but I'll prepare
<valorie> and if it's 5am, I'll go back to bed afterwards
<valorie> :-)
<valorie> of course, I would prefer afternoons and evenings my time, PDT
<benonsoftware> kkkl
<benonsoftware> Sorry
 * Cheesehead reads scrollback and sees valorie's input. Thanks.
<NRWlion> hey there
<jrgifford> hello NRWlion!
<Cheesehead> pleia2: Thanks for the classroom e-mail response. That's exactly what I needed to update the "Guidance for Trainers" wiki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Projects . Do you mind if I copy-and-paste your description of the three IRC channels?
#ubuntu-leadership 2011-11-04
<NRWlion> hi folks
<Cheesehead> NRWlion: Hello
<NRWlion> Cheesehead: how is your life?
<YoBoY> hi
<NRWlion> YoBoY:
<Cheesehead> YoBoY: Hello
<Cheesehead> NRWlion: My life is pretty good. Lot of takeaways from UDS to apply to Brainstorm
<Cheesehead> A few ideas to introduce to the LoCo
<Cheesehead> A bunch of IRC sessions to coordinate
<NRWlion> Cheesehead: ;) welcome to the world ^^ i have a big subject myself :D
<Cheesehead> In the non-Ubuntu world, one intervention with one of my students who wanted to drop out (success, he's staying)
<Cheesehead> And I finally managed to work HG Wells 'War of the Worlds' into a lecture yesterday
<Cheesehead> And indeed into the homework assignment
<NRWlion> Cheesehead: pretty busy the man ^^
<Cheesehead> Sometimes. Yet here I am playing in IRC
<NRWlion> i am trying to start a big marketing strategy for my new employer
<NRWlion> :D
 * NRWlion is ** because of a PHP Homework that doesnt work :(
<Cheesehead> Our marketing strategy is simple - we don't advertise.
<Cheesehead> (I own a violin store)
<Cheesehead> We simply use word-of-mouth for all the professional players
<Cheesehead> And referrals for all the students from their teachers.
<NRWlion> understandable that is best possible advert ;)
<Cheesehead> It makes the experience very rewarding
 * bkerensa upgrades to 12.04 Precise Pangolin
<Cheesehead> Well, with the new emphasis on stability in the daily updates, and the lack of anything revolutionary this cycle, I hope bkerensa's system is nice and stable.
<bkerensa> lol
<bkerensa> Stable is relative before Alpha
<bkerensa> :P
 * NRWlion is totally satisfied with Lubuntu 11.10
<NRWlion> :D
<Cheesehead> YoBoY: I need non-anglo perspective with the IRC workships. Anyone in Ubuntu-fr interested in looking over the plan and providing input, or even perhaps leading a session?
<pleia2> Cheesehead: feel free to take anything of mine for that email to use on the wiki page :)
<Cheesehead> pleia2: Thank you.
<YoBoY> Cheesehead: plan?
<NRWlion> wiki? that would be my playground too ^^ (in regards for design and syntax
<Cheesehead> YoBoY: The plan is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Projects#Online_Leadership_Tutorial_Sessions
<Cheesehead> NRWlion: Any Wiki guru is *welcome* to clean up my hacked text!
<NRWlion> Cheesehead: what you need?
<Cheesehead> NRWlion: Look it over. You tell me what you think I need.
<Cheesehead> (Input on both format *and* content are welcome)
<NRWlion> Cheesehead: are you able for and voip phone call (g+ or skype)?
<NRWlion> or still no mic?
<Cheesehead> NRWlion: Sorry, no mic
<NRWlion> ok, an email is on its way
<NRWlion> or lets do a quick pm as i am half on my way to my pillow ... (hate early duty on a weekend)
<YoBoY> Cheesehead: seems good
<Cheesehead> YoBoY: Thanks for taking a look.
<jrgifford> bkerensa: having fun with Precise?
<jrgifford> I had to rollback, none of my PPAs work for it yet. :(
<valorie> jrgifford: impatient much?
<valorie> lol
<jrgifford> valorie: hah yeah
<valorie> now that UDS is over, I'm sure they'll shift into high gear soon
<jrgifford> yeah, although colin watson was busy with haskell uploads over the past few days
#ubuntu-leadership 2011-11-05
 * NRWlion reports back after hosptial visit
<Cheesehead> Welcome back
<NRWlion> had to jump against a door of an elevator and hurt my ellbow
<NRWlion> ashams: welcome and salam
<ashams> NRWlion, hey Salam
<ashams> How r u doing?
<NRWlion> ashams: (18:10:30) NRWlion: had to jump against a door of an elevator and hurt my ellbow
<ashams> what?
<ashams> so sorry to hear that
<ashams> r u okay now?
<NRWlion> my elbow is fracutred as it seems
<Cheesehead> Ouch!
<Cheesehead> Tha
<NRWlion> but i safed a life of a 2year old girl ... that is reason enough, isnt it?
<Cheesehead> Indeed!
<ashams> yeah
<NRWlion> girl was playing outside the elevator pushing the button again and again
<NRWlion> not realizing the door going open and closing again
<NRWlion> mother was chatting with a person no visible contact
<ashams> :(
<NRWlion> so i had to decide whether the hand / arm of the girl or risking and injury
<NRWlion> knowing the result you may know which decision i took
<ashams> how r u going to treat your elbow?
<Cheesehead> Does this mean you are off work for a few weeks?
<Cheesehead> NRWlion: Contrgatulations on your heroism.
<NRWlion> Cheesehead: that is no heroism
<NRWlion> ashams: no treat6ment
<NRWlion> going party tonight
<NRWlion> ;)
<NRWlion> Cheesehead: i am trained to recognize those situations and take actions without thinking
#ubuntu-leadership 2011-11-06
<NRWlion> hey folks
#ubuntu-leadership 2011-11-07
 * Cheesehead drops in, humming quietly to himself
<philipballew> hey! i was wondering if anyone here could say i am a nice person in my wiki as i am putting my name in the hat for loco counsel
<philipballew> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/philipballew
<philipballew> Cheesehead, I am looking foreword to my session! i have had some good discussion questions come to mind. gonna be good
<philipballew> it is on my calender
<jrgifford> OH CRAP, philipballew is going for loco council. Means I have to pretend to be friends or something....
<philipballew> Actually I hate you jrgifford
<philipballew> You make me look bad because your just to cool :)
<jrgifford> I love you too philipballew. ;)
<jrgifford> hey, want to join me for a Ubuntu Power users evangelism session with the ubuntu missouri folks? :)
<philipballew> yes i do.
<jrgifford> awesome. #ubuntu-missouri
<philipballew> do you think jrgifford you might write a recommendation anytime?
<philipballew> but we have only known each other a month or so so maybe n
<philipballew> ot
<philipballew> I joined
<jrgifford> I've watched you do stuff in the past, so I'd be fine with it. :)
<philipballew> alright.
 * philipballew links jrgifford with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/philipballew
 * jrgifford reads philipballew's fancy wikipage
 * Cheesehead sees he's missed a lot...
<philipballew> Cheesehead, !!! hello
<Cheesehead> philipballew: Hello. Glad you're excited about the IRC sessions. I am too.
<philipballew> it is pretty awesome. I am excited. I feel it is something i can do
<philipballew> and do well
<Cheesehead> philipballew: Did you happen to see https://plus.google.com/116428448573403038184
<Cheesehead> ?
<philipballew> yeah, your in my circle!
<Cheesehead> Meh, wrong link.
<Cheesehead> Nov 3, I sent around a G+ thread for time-zone alternatiive comments.
<Cheesehead> No responses. (But sometimes that's the nature of G+ on a busy day...)
<philipballew> im a twitter man myself mainly
<Cheesehead> Then I'll *paste it here* for you:
<Cheesehead> The options I came up with:
<Cheesehead> 1) Do nothing - Keep NA/EUR friendly times.
<Cheesehead> 2) Do the same session twice in one day, 12 hours apart.
<Cheesehead> 3) Do the same session twice in the same week, (Tue at 1201, Thu at 0001)
<Cheesehead> 4) Do two different sessions (different trainers) in one day, 12 hours apart.
<Cheesehead> 5) Do only one session, rotate hours between weeks (1st at 0001, 14th at 1201)
<Cheesehead> 6) Do one session at 1201, NA/EUR friendly. Ignore 0001 until some trainers show up from other parts of the world, then revisit the issue in December.
<Cheesehead> Which one or two seems most reeasonable to you?
<philipballew> would need to think about that
<Cheesehead> Uh-oh. I already stated the game show music...
<Cheesehead> s/stated/started
 * Cheesehead sweats as he tries to stop the game show music before the bomb goes off.
<Cheesehead> Drat. My high pressure tactics scared him off again..
<bkerensa> akgraner: I'm sending postcards to our loco's top contributors on appreciation day
<NRWlion> hello team
<NRWlion> hmmm nobody seems to be here
<NRWlion> wb pleia2 and valorie
 * YoBoY is tired to receive mails
#ubuntu-leadership 2011-11-08
<YoBoY> bonjour
<YoBoY> 132 volunteers to make an ubuntu party in Paris, now I know why I'm always tired ^^"
#ubuntu-leadership 2011-11-09
<YoBoY> bonjour
#ubuntu-leadership 2011-11-10
<YoBoY> good morning
<Cheesehead> Hello
<Cheesehead> The EMEA Membership board is meeting at 2000 UTC today (five hours from now) in #ubuntu-meeting. Anyone who wants to support (or oppsose) my Ubuntu Membership application is welcome!
<jrgifford> Cheesehead: i'll be there.
<jrgifford> to support you of course. :P
<Cheesehead> jrgifford: Thank you!
<jrgifford> :)
<akgraner> ok so I thought about all the confusion this team name was causing
<akgraner> so here's an idea
<akgraner> since anyone can start a project let's just make this a project the L.E.A.D. Project - Leadership Education Appreciation Development Project
<akgraner> this way we're a project, we aren't a competing team and we cover all the basis concerning leadership etc and we have at least 2 CC members working with the project
<akgraner> Think about it - and let's get this name thing fixed then go from there - the mission statement is "to be a resource to help mentor leaders within the Ubuntu community" and we can define some more concise goals  thoughts
<akgraner> I didn't mean "is" as I decided  - I meant is as in what I am thinking aloud...but you all let me know what you think - I'd like to get this taken care of as soon as possible
<akgraner> the Vancouver team now has the LoCo leadership handbook - they'll get in mallard and gets some version control in place then once it's formatted we will review it and send it to the LC, CC and Jono.
<akgraner> Ubuntu Community Appreciation Day is gaining traction so that's a good think  - also if you tweet or dent a thank you please tag it with #thxubuntu
<akgraner> in one of the sessions at UDS I believe someone is going to start tracking that hashtag
<bkerensa> akgraner: You forgot one thing in News :P
<akgraner> What was that?
<akgraner> UCAD?
<akgraner> we have next week to cover it again :-)  but was there something else?
<bkerensa> Results from RMB
<akgraner> when did it go out
<bkerensa> Uhh I think yesterday or the day before
<bkerensa> idk I saw you got cc'ed
<akgraner> if after the 6th then it's in the next issue
<bkerensa> well Ubuntu News got cc'ed
<bkerensa> oh :P
<bkerensa> akgraner: Any plans for us to print the manual were working on
<bkerensa> perhaps even a limited amount?
<akgraner> bkerensa, we need to get it tweaked first and vancouver certainly knows what they are doing there
<akgraner> it will be in a format that can be printed easily enough if someone wants to cover the cost
<akgraner> but let's get it in the right format then go from there
<bkerensa> indeed
<akgraner> I've already been asked when it will be ready to translate
<akgraner> so one step at a time
<bkerensa> akgraner: But its not even complete yet atleast it wasnt when I checked it last week?
<akgraner> :-) but it is exciting
<akgraner> bkerensa, there is no way we can include everything
<bkerensa> akgraner: True
<akgraner> it was meant to be an overview that teams can tweak
<akgraner> if we make it too big then people with limited bandwidth can't downlaod it
<akgraner> so I kept in a manageable size
<bkerensa> Yeah :D
<akgraner> once Randall reviews it - he'll let us know what he thinks still needs some work then we can collaborate with him to get the rest of it worked out
<bkerensa> well looks like work on 12.04 documentation is going to get underway soon
<akgraner> we're already working on edition 7 so I am sure the docs stuff is being worked on too
<akgraner> bkerensa, I'll get you some interview questions next week
<bkerensa> kk
<akgraner> I'm setting up a new website and trying to get ustream to work right now and well ustream is NOT playing nice
<akgraner> well flash is not playing nice I should say
<SilverLion> hey there
<akgraner> hey  :-) I am going to scream I need to be able to check one little box so I can record and for some reason I can
<akgraner> can't even
<akgraner> so not in a good mood
 * bkerensa is setting up his CRM which SugarCRM sponsored
<Cheesehead> Thanks again tho everyone who showed up for my Ubuntu membership application!
<DarwinSurvivor> no problem Cheesehead, congratulations again on getting in
<jrgifford> congrats Cheesehead!!
<pleia2> congrats Cheesehead :)
<philipballew> Cheesehead, congrats
<Cheesehead> Thanks1
<Cheesehead> !
<philipballew> how's ubuntu leadership team doing this week Cheesehead
<akgraner> ok so I think we need to re-name it to be a project
<akgraner> LEAD - Leadership Education Appreciation Development or something like that
<akgraner> that way no one confuses us with teams and we become a true resource project
<akgraner> that was the biggest issue people had at UDS with us being a team - so in my mind it's an easy fix
<akgraner> but you all think about it
<philipballew> we could put it up to a vote
<akgraner> and think of a better acronym too :-)
<akgraner> well the name will have to change
<akgraner> no question about that
 * philipballew agrees with akgraner 
<akgraner> but if we call it a project we'll get more support in the long run as well
<akgraner> let's shot for getting that done by the end of next week - so we can move past this and get on to other things
<akgraner> shoot even
<philipballew> If i am going to be giving leadership advise here I am going to need to be able to say its name and feel good about it
<philipballew> i can email the list
<akgraner> I'll email the list and summarize the concerns etc
<akgraner> just give me a day to get it all together
<philipballew> I can do it today if you are busy easily
<akgraner> philipballew, can you compose it in a googledoc - I just want to make sure everything that needs to get mentioned does
<akgraner> would you mind letting me read through it and add to it (if necessary)
<akgraner> you can send it - there are just some wording that needs to be included
<philipballew> I can do that if you would like. That would not be a problem. what exactly would you like in there?
<philipballew> thats not in the channel log here?
<akgraner> Won't know until I see your draft :-)  Take a stab - I probably won't have to change anything but want to make sure we cover all our bases in order to get maximum support from other teams etc
<philipballew> alright. I will do it in about 30 minutes probably. if not, then this evening
<akgraner> Thank you soooo much!
<philipballew> its my pleasure
#ubuntu-leadership 2011-11-13
<SilverLion> hey there!
<SilverLion> re
#ubuntu-leadership 2011-11-14
<YoBoY> good morning
<akgraner> ok who wants to help moderate the leadership mailing list?
#ubuntu-leadership 2011-11-15
<bkerensa> sure
<bkerensa> +1
<akgraner> cool - I'll get you an email then... thanks
<philipballew_> akgraner, I can do it
<philipballew_> also. nice edition of the newsletter
<akgraner> thanks! and thanks for all your help
<akgraner> it's a team effort that is for sure
<valorie> akgraner: I can just add it to my listadmin list
<valorie> <3 listadmin
<valorie> best spamkiller evar
<akgraner> that is a handy tool that's for sure
<philipballew> akgraner, so will i get an email for being a moderator or what?
<akgraner> yep - just working on something else at the moment
<philipballew> no hurry. I am not in a hurry. you should take a break anyway :)
<YoBoY> good morning
<philipballew> good evening YoBoY
<YoBoY> :)
<akgraner> thought I'd share this post  from one of my favorite sites - 12 Most Timeless Principles for Bringing Out the Best in People - http://12most.com/2011/08/22/12-timeless-principles-bringing-people/
<YoBoY> thank you akgraner, great principles :)
<benonsoftware> Hi all
<ashams> hi guys
<ashams> akgraner, hi
<ashams> I can't find the final dates for dev/open week etc...
<akgraner> let me see if jcastro added them to the wiki yet...
<akgraner> ashams, there were some changes made so let me email him and get stuff added to wikis and calendars
<akgraner> I'll cc you :-)
<ashams> \o/
<ashams> Thanks :)
<akgraner> valorie, bkerensa, philipballew moderation email sent and you've all been added as moderators
<akgraner> thanks
<akgraner> ashams, what
<akgraner> crap
<akgraner> ashams, what's your email address?
<ashams> williamsmith@example.net
<akgraner> thanks!
<ashams> I could barely remember it :)
<ashams> Thank you
<bkerensa> yeah
 * bkerensa is updating his e-mail on listadmin
 * bkerensa is phasing out ubuntu-oregon.org
<bkerensa> :P
<bkerensa> too many e-mail accounts = inefficiency
<valorie> danke schon
<bkerensa> what valorie said :P
<valorie> heh
#ubuntu-leadership 2011-11-16
<akgraner> ashams, email sent to jorge and pleia2 letting them know you are interested in helping with the Ubuntu Weeks - I added my thoughts for now and they may have other stuff they add
<akgraner> thanks for your willingness to help with those events
<akgraner> right now we wait for the dates to be decided and then go from there  - you're already in -backstage so that's the best place to hang out to find out :-)
<ashams> wooohoo
 * akgraner wonders if there was something else I was supposed to do that I have forgotten about ...hmmmm
<ashams> thank you, that very enough
<ashams> I hope I can do what it needs
<akgraner> don't try to do it all at once  :-)  I'll help you where I can so we don't set you up for frustration or failure and it's not overwhelming
<akgraner> :-)
<akgraner> ashams, I only say that b/c I wanted to do everything at once - not the smartest idea I'd ever had
<ashams> :D
<ashams> yeah, I've started to think that way too
<ashams> and felt afraid
<ashams> be sure that I'll cause you headache whenever I can ;-)
<pleia2> akgraner: pfft, you still do everything at once :)
<pleia2> (at least, an impressive amount of stuff!)
<jrgifford> did I miss something from the mailing list, or am I just slow? :)
<akgraner> pleia2, :-)
 * Cheesehead returns after a very busy two weeks
<Cheesehead> I must try to add my blog to the Planet today
<Cheesehead> Created a hackergotchi of my avatar...
<akgraner> sweet! - Welcome back!
<akgraner> Darkwing, you're up early...or are you signed in by proxy
<akgraner> guess I'll answer my own question if he doesn't respond :-/
<Cheesehead> Finished the bzr commit. I should be on the Planet now.
<Cheesehead> Now to actually write somehting worth reading...
<akgraner> Cheesehead, have fun!
<Cheesehead> akgraner: Thanks. I'll ask here for some eyes to review before I post.
<Cheesehead> But first, time to drive kids to school...
<Cheesehead> Hooray! My ubuntu.com e-mail address works now
 * philipballew_ high fives Cheesehead 
 * Cheesehead hurts his hand
<Cheesehead> I'm in the middle of two blog posts, one about Brainstorm lessons learned after three years, the other an intro to the Online Leadership Tutorial Sessions
#ubuntu-leadership 2011-11-17
<YoBoY> good morning
 * SilverLion waves!
#ubuntu-leadership 2011-11-18
<YoBoY> good morning
<akgraner> ashams, thank you again for bring Ubuntu Community Appreciation Day to the forefront
<ashams> thank you :)
<akgraner> I am looking forward to seeing everyone's posts, tweets, dents, FB's google+'s and more about the community that we all enjoy and are part of
<ashams> I hope so :)
<ashams> Anybody know where to get more info about former contributer, specially dead ones?
<ashams> s/contributer/contributors
<jrgifford> wait, when is the ubuntu community appreciation day? (been too busy to keep up with planet.u.c...)
<jrgifford> isn't it in two days or something?
<akgraner> jrgifford, yep..on Sunday
<akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UCADay
<jrgifford> akgraner: awesome, thanks.
<jrgifford> i'll schedule a cronjob to make a blog post for me then, since i'll be out of town....
<akgraner> jrgifford, thanks!
<jrgifford> akgraner: :)
<ashams> jrgifford, Thanks
<ashams> anybody want to help with administering facebook page and identi.ca group of UCADay?
<jrgifford> ashams: eek facebook, but it's a worthy cause. i'd be willing to help. what's required?
<ashams> nothing just keep them up to date with some news related to *Community*
<ashams> not technical news, just things related community itself
<ashams> give me your fb profile
<ashams> jrgifford, here the fb profile https://fb.com/UCADay
<jrgifford> ashams: https://www.facebook.com/jrgifford.james - that's me.
<jrgifford> and i liked the page
<ashams> coool
<ashams> one sec
<ashams> jrgifford, it doesn't complete your name
<ashams> one sec I'll try something else
<jrgifford> ashams: i guess i don't exist as far as facebook is concerned... :(
<ashams> nah
<ashams> I need your email address
<ashams> that what's written overhere
<jrgifford> williamsmith@example.net
<ashams> jrgifford, DONE :D
<ashams> Welcome :)
<ashams> crap
<ashams> captcha
<ashams> i filled about 10 captchas so far
<ashams> I'm trying the audio captcha :D
<ashams> jrgifford, ah, seemed to work finally
<ashams> welcome akgraner ;)
<ashams> jrgifford, had to flip my monitor to see your profile pic :P
<jrgifford> ashams: lol, its supposed to be like that... :P
<ashams> :D
#ubuntu-leadership 2011-11-19
<glitchd> anyone know of a way of setting my password to a shortcut key sequence so i dont have to manually enter it?
<glitchd> anyone awake??
<valorie> glitchd: where?
<Cheesehead> Anyone live today? I need feedback on a blog post before I commit: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/743509/
<Cheesehead> Hard to type with this new dog demanding attention all day, but I managed...
<akgraner> Cheesehead, :-)
<akgraner> Nice way to say thanks there
<Cheesehead> akgraner: Thanks
<akgraner> Cheesehead, thanks for doing all the brainstorm stuff...I know I tried for a while with a mentor to be an idea reviewer - that didn't go so well then, and now i just don't have time...but I can tell you I sincerely appreciate everything you all do!!!
<akgraner> anyone who thinks it's a cakewalk to be a brainstorm moderator or idea reviewer should try it sometime...:-)
<Cheesehead> akgraner, thanks for keeping us all informed about what's going on. Quite a vital role!
 * Cheesehead commit his first blog post to the Planet
<akgraner> that's the beauty of community  - it takes u and i  CommUnIty :-)
<akgraner> Cheesehead,  --Congrats on your 1st post!
<Cheesehead> akgraner: Thanks. Next up, tomorrow, is getting the IRC sessions moving
<Cheesehead> I'm already delayed a week by work (last week quite busy)
<akgraner> Yeah - I'm trying to get all the priority Ubuntu Stuff done today and tomorrow - next week is going to be nuts for me
<akgraner> s/the/my
<akgraner> Cheesehead, all I can do for the IRC Sessions is: help review the sessions (if necessary) and help promote them - wish I could do more but...
<Cheesehead> akgraner: Helping to promote is all I really need. That's the part I'm awful at.
<Cheesehead> I just need to finalize the schedule, and shout "go!", and the first three months should be pretty smooth.
<akgraner> hehe  - no worries when you get it organized and a various points in the process let me know I'll help ya keep the community informed then
<Cheesehead> The follow-up afet "go!" is what I'm good at.
 * Cheesehead moves the dog out of the way
#ubuntu-leadership 2011-11-20
<bkerensa> Happy UCADay akgraner, Dakrwing, pleia2, valorie, YoBoY :)
<valorie> thanks, bkerensa!
<YoBoY> merci bkerensa and great UCADay to you too and to everyone here :)
<valorie> I'm happy each person who is here in this channel, is here in this channel, and on this team!
<valorie> I've been slacking, but Google CodeIn opens to students on Monday, so by Tuesday or so life should slow down a bit
<valorie> going to visit my dad every other day is rather time-consuming as well!
#ubuntu-leadership 2011-11-21
<YoBoY> bonjour
<valorie> bonjour, mon ami
<YoBoY> how are you valorie ? and how are your dad ?
<valorie> I'm good, Google CodeIn is starting as we speak
<valorie> I'm an admin for KDE
<valorie> my dad's body is healing, and his mind is coming along a bit behind that
<valorie> thanks for asking!
<YoBoY> :)
<akgraner> valorie, thank you - and dang you are super busy lately...
<valorie> tell me about it
<akgraner> go you!
<valorie> my dad is driving me nuts, so the rest of it is fun in contrast
<valorie> lol
<akgraner> lol
<akgraner> you rock!
<valorie> as do you, and you know it!
<valorie> onstage and off
<SilverLion> hi there
#ubuntu-leadership 2011-11-22
<SilverLion> morning
<bkerensa> Good Morning!
<SilverLion> bkerensa : hey there ^^ i am the little brother of NRWlion ;)
<bkerensa> SilverLion: Nice too meet you!
<SilverLion> i am blogging about leadership so that they "forced" me to join here ;)
<SilverLion> letz go
<Cheesehead> Go where?
<SilverLion> to my php book and preping my notes for tomorrows seminar exam
<SilverLion> missed an important part of last weeks seminar so i was asked to prep it at home ... but never had the motivation to do it
<SilverLion> hey philipballew
<philipballew> hey SilverLion
#ubuntu-leadership 2011-11-25
<YoBoY> hum... I need to add this chan to my permanent chans ^^"
<YoBoY> good morning
<Cheesehead> YoBoY: good morning back at you
<YoBoY> the join on connect is now registered on my irc proxy, so no more disappearance (until my server reboot or die ^^")
<Cheesehead> I run irssi directly on my server, and ssh to it.
<YoBoY> I prefer xchat + bip, that way I can use also other irc clients when I'm not on my computer
#ubuntu-leadership 2011-11-28
<YoBoY> bonjour
<bkerensa> Hallo
<bkerensa> :D
#ubuntu-leadership 2011-11-29
<akgraner> Cheesehead, who maintains the brainstorm site?
<Cheesehead> akgraner: The source code, or wht's on the servers?
<Cheesehead> COntent or code?
<Cheesehead> (I just discussed this with somebody else a few minutes ago)
<ashams> akgraner, have you found this: https://launchpad.net/~brainstorm-moderators ?
<akgraner> code
<akgraner> I gave them your name so good :-)
<akgraner> yep they emailed that list - that's how I found out
<ashams> akgraner, it's here: https://launchpad.net/ideatorrent
<akgraner> Cheesehead, if you are in contact then hopefully they'll get it all sorted
<akgraner> thanks
<bkerensa> I wish brainstorm used openid
<bkerensa> or Ubuntu SSO
<ashams> bkerensa, the same here!
#ubuntu-leadership 2011-11-30
<YoBoY> good morning
#ubuntu-leadership 2012-11-01
<ashams> bkerensa, here?
#ubuntu-leadership 2012-11-02
<DarwinSu1vivor> I'm here, but there hasn't been any activity in here for quite a while (months at least)
<YoBoY> +42
<bkerensa> YoBoY: :D
<bkerensa> DarwinSu1vivor: things will get cooking soon
<tenach> Greetings. :)
<bkerensa> hi
#ubuntu-leadership 2012-11-16
<ashams> bkerensa, ding
#ubuntu-leadership 2012-11-18
<ashams> akgraner, I need to create a video for the Appreciation day, but I don't know how
<ashams> I have the idea, I think it can work
<ashams> so, if you know any one can help please contact me williamsmith@example.net
<akgraner> ashams, sure - I can't help today but I can ping you tomorrow or maybe after 10pm my time tonight

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