#ubuntu-website 2009-05-08 <jack> you know http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/newpkg is broken? <jack> i wonder what's up <newz2000> jack: I'd say wait a couple days and see if it clears up. I'm seeing lots of chatter about importing packages so I'm not sure if it *should* work yet. <newz2000> jack: but then if it's still not working by Monday I'd report a bug on the Ubuntu product in launchpad. <jack> ok <jack> not that i care a lot about ubuntu <jack> but that site is one of my most useful inspiration sources for packaging stuff ;) <MTeck> *tap*tap*tap* <MTeck> newz2000: actually, what would be great is the ability to use rsync to do the remote sync. Also - using relative links so the images and everything else can be stored locally. Then rsync -u to keep from having to dload everything every time... just an idea <newz2000> doubtful <MTecknology> I figured that much wouldn't happen - but it would be ideal <MTecknology> you think the other option might happen? <MTecknology> otherwise, I'll need to find another spot to host. I know my own servers can't handle the load. I only have 512Kb upload. <MTecknology> I'd really encourage you to grab the module and just play with it. It might help you make a final decision. #ubuntu-website 2009-05-09 <dyess002> is anybody up <dyess002> hello <jpds> Hi dyess002. <MTecknology> newz2000: I'm sad :'( <MTecknology> Don't you love me? :) #ubuntu-website 2009-05-10 <MTecknology> newz2000: ping #ubuntu-website 2009-05-11 <SiDi> hi <MTecknology> hi <MTecknology> doesn't look like I'm going to get any support for that module :( <SiDi> why do you think so ? <MTecknology> lack of any reply <MTecknology> I'll continue to wait hopefully though :) <SiDi> newz can take some time to answer :P he's a busy man <MTecknology> I suppose - Canonical is busy beyond belief - isn't it <SiDi> Seeing the length of their job offers page i'd say yes :) <MTecknology> SiDi: you should help me write a new module... this thing is a lot harder than I expected it would be :) <SiDi> i've never coded any drupal module :) and didn't do php for a good year now <SiDi> (and ive got an arithmeticae exam tomorrow, too XD) <MTecknology> fun <SiDi> Yeh. I'm sorry but i won't have free time before June for new projects :) and i'm confident you'll have finished your module by then <MTecknology> The way drupal handle SQL is confusing the crap outta me. I'm not an incredibly experienced php or sql coder. I've never been an advanced coder in anything. Now I'm trying to make pretty advanced crap <MTecknology> hopefully <MTecknology> this crap is getting to a point where I don't even know what I'm doing now :P <SiDi> oh, this always happens to me when i code in python / prolog, no worries :d <MTecknology> I pretty much have no clue what I'm doing, trying to jump into it, getting confused with what I'm doing, trying to understand it all, ya... fun <MTecknology> I still can't get an understanding of what -> is used for <SiDi> in php ? <SiDi> I don't remember :D <ryanakca> newz2000: Who do I poke for an update on a security review of a wiki theme? #ubuntu-website 2009-05-13 <techtonik> hi, all. what is the version of MoinMoin on wiki.ubuntu.com? <BugMaN> techtonik: Versione 1.6.3 [Revisione release] <BugMaN> techtonik: see there -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemInfo <techtonik> Ok. Tnx. I wonder if it is possible to add "what links here" actions to this version? <BugMaN> techtonik: i don't know... maybe on the moinmoin official site there some tips <techtonik> On official site the feature called backlinks <techtonik> And you get them when clicking on page title, but I can't click on page title in ubuntu wiki <BugMaN> techtonik: is a macro -> http://moinmo.in/MacroMarket/Backlinks <BugMaN> techtonik: and if you see -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemInfo it isn't installed on wiki.com <BugMaN> techtonik: maybe you can answer to put in this macro <techtonik> No, macro is a different thing - it is put inside page contents if you want to display backlinks inline. <techtonik> BugMan: look here -> http://moinmo.in/BackLinks <BugMaN> techtonik: yep but in wiki.ubuntu.com is not installed <BugMaN> techtonik: if you try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemInfo?action=backlinks for example <BugMaN> techtonik: wiki say that don't know this command <techtonik> But it works on help wiki site - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SystemInfo - just click on SystemInfo title. <BugMaN> techtonik: hmm yeap and the version is the same <BugMaN> techtonik: maybe wiki.ubuntu.com has a .css that don't link title <techtonik> It cannot be css, because there is no link href element in page source. So it should be bug in Ubuntu theme for MoinMoin. <techtonik> Filled a proposal at http://moinmo.in/FeatureRequests/ExplicitBacklinksMenuEntry #ubuntu-website 2009-05-14 <mogus> I came here to say that whatever software your wiki / wikis currently run on, sucks. <mogus> And there's more where that came from. <mogus> Any serious human being would use MediaWiki <mogus> I agree it has problems, though. <mogus> For one, its proprietary. <mogus> Two, it doesnt use CamelCase <mogus> Three it does not support extensions <mogus> Four, its appearance can't be changed, and that's why we see all these MediaWiki sites looking like Wikipedia <mogus> Five, its not cool to use something that actually works <mogus> Six, it can't be integrated with external Canonical login protocols, unless something has changed since I last looked eight years ago <mogus> Seven, it doesn't support in-browser video editing <mogus> Eight, it has Jimbo Wales' stench on it <mogus> Nine, my grandmother could use it, if she knew what a computer was <mogus> Ten, its pompous software <mogus> Other than that, it works quite well, and I think wiki.ubuntu.org should use MediaWiki - it would get things done. <mogus> bbl. <omegamormegil> Greetings! I noticed this bug on Launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/365665 <omegamormegil> The 9.04 release notes page sometimes still refers to 9.04 RC or 9.04 beta #ubuntu-website 2009-05-17 <SiDi> hello #ubuntu-website 2009-05-19 <fschulte> hi, are here the people from the ISD team? <newz2000> fschulte: I can relay a message to ISD if you need, but none here atm. <fschulte> newz2000: The point is, that I would like to work with you! :) <fschulte> newz2000: On May 3rd, I've sent my application for the ISD team to douglassanchez@example.org but haven't received a response yet. <newz2000> ah, I see <newz2000> can you remind me what the job was? <fschulte> newz2000: It was the Web Developer ISD <fschulte> newz2000: http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/canonical_WEBIS/ <newz2000> ok, I'll poke around to see what's happenign with that <fschulte> newz2000: That would be nice. <fschulte> newz2000: Do you work for Canonical? <newz2000> fschulte: yes <fschulte> newz2000: cewl :) <newz2000> yeah, today especially <newz2000> Get to meet a bunch of my coworkers in real life <fschulte> newz2000: Really, on what are you working right now? <newz2000> Today I'm working on workflows in drupal <fschulte> newz2000: aha <newz2000> setting it up so that content can be created by someone and then published after manager/etc approval <fschulte> newz2000: I've not done much drupal yet, only given a short glimpse at it <newz2000> some days I love it, some days I hate it <newz2000> :-) <newz2000> today it's doing what i want, so we're friends <fschulte> newz2000: heh <fschulte> newz2000: where are you now? <newz2000> today I'm in Barcelona Spain, but usually in Des Moines Iowa USA <fschulte> newz2000: is the weather nice there? <fschulte> newz2000: .. in spain <newz2000> perfect <newz2000> no humidity, about 70 degrees (20 deg C) <fschulte> newz2000: oooooh ... and you have the sea right there. <newz2000> yeah, well, I'm in a conference center with 250+ geeks. :-) <fschulte> newz2000: hot * newz2000 is one of them <fschulte> newz2000: is it about drupal or a more ubuntu related conference? <newz2000> it's just Canonical staff. we all get together once in a while to meet face to face. <fschulte> To do it in spain seems to me allright :) <fschulte> newz2000: oh damn, I must be careful of what I say <SiDi> what will you do in spain ? :P <fschulte> SiDi: me? <SiDi> yeh <fschulte> SiDi: oh, ahm, you mean in the future? <fschulte> SiDi: That's an evil question. <fschulte> SiDi: are you there too? <SiDi> yeh <SiDi> but i'll be late <SiDi> cause of university <fschulte> SiDi: that means you live there <SiDi> no <SiDi> i'll come from france <SiDi> but they postponed one of my exams on wednesday <SiDi> i was meant to be there from tuesday morning but i'll only arrive to barcelona wednesday evening <fschulte> SiDi: hopefully you haven't missed anything important :) <newz2000> SiDi: you mean UDS don't you? <SiDi> newz2000: yes sir <newz2000> ok <newz2000> I'll be gone and back to the US by then <SiDi> oh i'm gonna stay a while after UDS <SiDi> need holidays <newz2000> good plan. brush up on your espanol. ;-) <SiDi> oh actually im from a spanish family so *hopefully* it will come back fast once in spain <SiDi> holidays are mostly because i've been having a very cool year of uni, except the two last months that were apocalyptic :/ <SiDi> newz2000: there'll be a new ubuntu.com website for karmic ? :p <newz2000> SiDi: probably not <newz2000> I'll be meeting with Christina this week to schedule our meeting, she'll be the Information Architect and will be leading the re-design, <newz2000> but we both doubt it can get done in time <SiDi> i see <newz2000> Don't worry, there will be plenty for the community to help with <SiDi> the guy in charge of that left canonical recently, right ? :P <newz2000> well, you probably mean the design team lead, yes, he left, but that won't impact this project as far as I know <SiDi> newz2000: i'll be busy with projects for xubuntu, and i'll likely participate to the *huge* rewrite of the xfce doc, so my time for web stuff will be likely little :p <newz2000> I'm sure it'll all work out great <SiDi> Good night #ubuntu-website 2009-05-20 * jpds kills newz20001's barcelona connection. <jpds> It worked! <jpds> Ng: Looks like that network can't take the load of geeks... <SiDi> funny <SiDi> finally my connection isnt that bad <SiDi> hello newz2000 :D #ubuntu-website 2009-05-21 <SiDi> hi <fschulte> Hey SiDi, have you seen newz2000 today? <fschulte> He wanted to enquire about an application to ISD I've sent. <SiDi> i didnt see him, no <SiDi> maybe hes on his way to barcelona ? :P <SiDi> actually no <SiDi> i saw him yesterday <SiDi> he was apparently there and was dcing every 10 secs <SiDi> hm <SiDi> what i said doesnt make sense * SiDi suicides <fschulte> He said he was allready there. <fschulte> I'll wait for him. <SiDi> then hes likely still having internet/irc connection trouble <fschulte> *gmpf #ubuntu-website 2009-05-27 <fschulte> hi newz2000 <fschulte> how are you? <fschulte> newz2000: have you read my e-mail from frieday? <fschulte> newz2000: any newz for me? :) <fschulte> newz2000: we met here last week. do you remember? <fschulte> newz2000: thanks for your quick response. #ubuntu-website 2009-05-30 <hemensev> hi is there a ubuntu intrepid support chhannl? <hemensev> i need help with aircrack-ng on ubuntu 8.10 ibex <hemensev> any help possible on that? #ubuntu-website 2010-05-01 <mdke> cjohnston: now <cjohnston> mdke: I have a feeling we are going to keep playing this game.. <AdamDV> Whats the deal with ubuntu.com? Wasn't it supposed to be re-branded? <stas> AdamDV: nope, it wasn't possible to rebrand cause of amount of work with lts <AdamDV> So, next release? <stas> I don't know. #ubuntu-website 2010-05-03 <cjohnston> mdke: ping me when you are around and have a moment please <jpds> newz2000: Ping. <newz2000> hey jpds, what's up? <jpds> newz2000: Can I have a mirror added to http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors#dvd ? <newz2000> jpds: gladly * jpds tries to poke the mirror admin into here. <jpds> newz2000: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading has 9.10 in the <title>. <newz2000> Oooh, thanks <newz2000> fixed #ubuntu-website 2010-05-04 <cjohnston> mdke: you still here by chance? <mdke> cjohnston: I'm here now <cjohnston> mdke: I just want to clarify.. There is no desire/it isnt going to happen when it comes to translating help.u.c? <cjohnston> from the web team <mdke> cjohnston: from the docteam's point of view, we follow the same approach that is taken for www.ubuntu.com - i.e. local teams are very welcome to do it, but they are best hosted on the local team's own websites so that users can find all localised material in one convenient place <cjohnston> ok.. <jpds> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-m-localized-help-dot-ubuntu-dot-com <cjohnston> right <cjohnston> I was asked I guess to host this.. <cjohnston> but if its not going to happen, I don't see a reason to host it <mdke> how do you mean "to host"? <cjohnston> host the uds session <cjohnston> and i guess probably also coordinate the actual project <cjohnston> since im doing the website localization project <mdke> as I understand the website localisation project, you will just detect the user's browser language and offer a link to the local team website, right? <cjohnston> to a translated wiki page, yes <mdke> not to the local team website? <cjohnston> correct <mdke> how come? <cjohnston> it will be to a translated wiki page that will offer links to resources in that language.. a 'landing page' if you will <mdke> I mean, what's wrong with linking to the localised website straight away? <cjohnston> not all teams have a localized website <mdke> but for those that do <cjohnston> and because that isnt the desire of the boss <cjohnston> (read matt) <mdke> newz2000: ^^ * newz2000 reads <mdke> cjohnston: anyway, there's no reason a similar approach couldn't be adopted for help.ubuntu.com <cjohnston> mdke: to link to the same page as the regular website localization project, or to something else <newz2000> mdke: the problem with linking directly to a loco team website is two fold, the greater issue being that there is not a 1;1 mapping of languages to loco teams (some langs have many more than one) <newz2000> the second point is that we want to have quality control of the intermediary page <mdke> cjohnston: in my opinion, each site should link to an equivalent site - i.e. www.ubuntu.com should link to www.ubuntu-it.org in italian and help.ubuntu.com should link to help.ubuntu-it.org <mdke> newz2000: who is "we"? <newz2000> we = ubuntu.com webmaster and the people he reports to <mdke> I'm not sure that's the right "we" for this case. <mdke> anyway, I can see that there might need to be some subtlety to deal with instances where there isn't 1:1 mapping, but in the vast majority of cases, it seems cumbersome to make the user click through twice to get to the right result <mdke> cjohnston: anyway, I don't see any harm at all in a discussion along the lines of adapting the same project for help.u.c., I just won't support a solution where localised material is hosted away from the local sites <cjohnston> ok.. so doing the same thing as my project would be ok <mdke> from my perspective, certainly <cjohnston> can the website localization project just be added to the help. pages as well? <mdke> I'm not familiar with the technical solution that's adopted. But the help.u.c are just static pages so I suspect anything is possible, within reason <mdke> it is hosted on Canonical servers too so the usual rules about code review and security apply <mdke> I'll assign myself as approver of the spec, if you don't mind - even if I'm not at UDS <cjohnston> mdke: we have a general approval from sysadmins.. it will be run via apache's detection of preferred language, and display a small "Resources in <language>" link <cjohnston> and then link to the landing page <cjohnston> im just not sure that we need a session for it <mdke> "resources" fits help.ubuntu.com much better than it does www.ubuntu.com - so that sounds fine <mdke> I don't mind whether a session is scheduled or not <mdke> maybe a separate spec isn't even warranted :) <cjohnston> so for now.. mdke newz2000.. I'm going to tell dpm that I want to hold off on any discussion of the current spec that has been made.. and then after applying the current project to w.u.c, mdke and I will meet (and maybe others) and determine if it meets requirements for h.u.c <cjohnston> does that sound like a good plan to all? <mdke> fine by me <newz2000> ok by me <cjohnston> thanks guys <cjohnston> mdke: I just added text to the whiteboard saying as such also <cjohnston> Do we want to change the status to reflect that it wont be done <mdke> cjohnston: possibly - is there an appropriate status? <cjohnston> I can't see them since im not a part of it <cjohnston> let me see if i can find one <cjohnston> definition obsolete? <cjohnston> or maybe superseeded? <mdke> possibly superceded. <cjohnston> superceeded by my project? <mdke> is there a spec? <cjohnston> spec and blueprint can be found from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/WebsiteLocalization <mdke> ok, I'll mark as superceded and add a link to that <mdke> thanks <cjohnston> ty mdke <cjohnston> and ill try to talk to dpm tomorrow <mdke> sure - he's subscribed to the spec so he'll see those changes too <cjohnston> hope so <cjohnston> but ill still explain to him since he asked me to do it <cjohnston> your hard to get ahold of btw :-P #ubuntu-website 2010-05-05 <mdke> cjohnston: yes, I am not on irc much, generally just in the morning before work <cjohnston> newz2000: please take a look at bug 574799 <ubot3> Malone bug 574799 in ubuntu-website "Important omissions from website home page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/574799 * newz2000 looks * newz2000 will give thought to the best way to reply <cjohnston> k <cjohnston> ty <cjohnston> mdke: if you do come back, let me know please <cjohnston> mdke: check out http://davidplanella.wordpress.com/?p=349 #ubuntu-website 2010-05-06 <mdke> cjohnston: if dpm wants to have a session, I can't stop him :) <Issadle> You should put the link to the Ubuntu Shop at the top of the page, it might get more clicks... just a thought anyway I know I am lazy and scrolling down to find it is almost a pain and general rule of thumb is people are lazy <cjohnston> mdke: he said he was gonna send us an email yesterday about doing the translations.. but i never got one #ubuntu-website 2010-05-07 <imbrandon> newz2000 ( or anyone ) , is there a proper rsync interface for irclogs.ubuntu.com ? <newz2000> imbrandon: no, it doesn't look like it. But that server is just plain html, you could use mirror or wget to sync it quite easily. <imbrandon> newz2000: yea i was gonna use wget, just gonna see if there was a saner way first <imbrandon> ;) <imbrandon> newz2000: what kinda act of got would it take to get the internal guys to setup a readonly rsync interface for it ? heh <imbrandon> s/got/god <newz2000> imbrandon: I don't know, but the days before uds is probably not the best time. :-) <imbrandon> oh i totaly know, yea no hurry, just kinda a pet project i'm goofin with some data mining <imbrandon> no biggie <newz2000> imbrandon: are you goign to uds? <imbrandon> not this time, had problem with my passport <imbrandon> i'll be at the next one though and debconf in NY <newz2000> I was just going to suggest talking to the sysadmins face to face <imbrandon> :) <imbrandon> i'm not even sure who all is on tha SA team anymore, its grown and changed over the years ;) <newz2000> Yeah, I could say the same thing actually <imbrandon> :P #ubuntu-website 2010-05-08 <l3on> newz2000: around ? <cjohnston> l3on: not on weekends normally #ubuntu-website 2010-05-10 <xfact> Hello <xfact> I was wondering when the authority will apply this designed testing Ubuntu homepage http://wubuntu.co.cc/ in the main domain? Lucid is released 2 weeks > passed <xfact> Anyone can help me to know <xfact> the reason of keeping the oid style homepage? <xfact> *old <xfact> ? <xfact> Anyone here? <xfact> To help me out? <cjohnston> wow.. all that and waited 3 minutes for an answer <cjohnston> mdke: I'm sure you aren't around, but I'll ping ya anyway. :-) #ubuntu-website 2010-05-11 <cjohnston> mdke: ping <mdke> cjohnston: (In case I'm not around at the moment, please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I get back) <cjohnston> mdke: if you happen to be around, the discussion on localizing help.u.c starts in about 15 minutes in #ubuntu-uds-mahogany #ubuntu-website 2010-05-12 <stas> hi, the new branded logo svg got published or I got fooled? #ubuntu-website 2010-05-13 <l3on> newz2000: ping <newz2000> hey i3on <newz2000> oh, l3on <newz2000> Hi all, I just mentioned to l3on in private msg that I'm planning a meeting for a week from now to discuss collaborating on the release of the new website and how to make it work for locos and related websites <newz2000> I'll email the mailing list though with details <cjohnston> uh oh <stas> great news <cjohnston> newz2000: can you please recomment on that bug about advertising *buntu on ubuntu.com <newz2000> it's back? <newz2000> grr. <newz2000> cjohnston: yes, I will <cjohnston> ty <cjohnston> ya <cjohnston> they are crying #ubuntu-website 2010-05-14 <knome> hey newz2000! did you know that http://www.ubuntu.com/partners/findapartner/ and http://www.ubuntu.com/partners/findapartner (note the lack of trailing slash) forward the user to different pages? #ubuntu-website 2010-05-15 <L0L> when you change the website to the new theme, that was planned ? #ubuntu-website 2010-05-17 <cjohnston> newz2000: ping #ubuntu-website 2010-05-18 <newz2000> hey cjohnston, I'm around if you still need me. * newz2000 has been offline for a few days while moving to a new home <cjohnston> cool <cjohnston> Is it possible for me to get access to a server thats set up the same as u. <cjohnston> u.c <cjohnston> I need to be able to test what I have <newz2000> Hmmmâ¦. <newz2000> cjohnston: do you mean the old u.c or the new one? <cjohnston> are the servers different? (not the site) <cjohnston> different setups i guess <cjohnston> i mean if i could get access to a test replica of ubuntu.com (new or old) on a similar server to what the current one is setup as, that would be great <newz2000> cjohnston: I have a branch with the theme and modules I can share with you I think <newz2000> it will be the old site <newz2000> Another option is just to use wget to mirror a few pages of the site as a static copy <newz2000> It might be easier than screwing around with drupal <cjohnston> k <cjohnston> any thoughts about somewhere to put it with a similar server setup? <newz2000> cjohnston: sorry for the delay, getting hit from all sides after a four day weekend. <newz2000> cjohnston: any common apache2 install on hardy will give you a very similar feel <newz2000> configuration I mean #ubuntu-website 2010-05-20 <stas> newz2000: hi, today is the meetup? <cjohnston> stas: yes... <stas> cjohnston: thanks <cjohnston> np <newz2000> yep, meeting in about 2.5 hours <cjohnston> newz2000: i have the day off today <cjohnston> just for you <cjohnston> :-P <newz2000> I know you're too excited to wait to hear what's going on <newz2000> :-) <cjohnston> youd better call me and make sure im awake <cjohnston> ok maybe i was told to take the day off by the wife <cjohnston> and this just happened to be a benifit <cjohnston> but still <newz2000> turn your speakers up loud and I'll ping you <newz2000> :-) <cjohnston> hah <stas> :) <stas> btw will it be held here or on #ubuntu-meeting ? <cjohnston> good point <cjohnston> meeting <newz2000> #ubuntu-meeting <MTecknology> echowarp: how's it going? <echowarp> MTecknology: great. I gave newz a heads up on our work on ubuntu-drupal <echowarp> remember that the meeting is in ubuntu-meeting, not here <MTecknology> echowarp: cool, yup - i'm there <thorwil> newz2000: actually brand is not just more than a logo. some define brand as the outcome, how an entity is perceived by the audience/public. sabdfl stated that he shouldn't have called it brand, but rather visual identity, so that looks like a decision to follow that definition <thorwil> i admit it can be quite bothersome to avoid the use of "branding" to mean the application of a visual identity :/ <stas> guys, the wordpress theme handles attachments ugly http://design.canonical.com/2010/05/talk-type/4601841187_273f368008_o/ #ubuntu-website 2010-05-21 <MTecknology> newz2000: "2. It is not our plan for this project to create general purpose themes" That was the goal when I started ubuntu-drupal. <thorwil> newz2000: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2010-May/012131.html. reply to add/correct if necessary :) #ubuntu-website 2010-05-22 <cjohnston> stas: ping <stas> cjohnston: pong <cjohnston> stas: your part of the ubuntu-wp thing right? <stas> cjohnston: yes <stas> I started the project <cjohnston> is there a current design that is being worked on? <stas> i'm waiting for a bare html template to port to wp <cjohnston> gotcha <stas> I wrote a proposal, but the ubuntu-ru looks better <stas> actually if I had a template I can write up the theme in about a weekend (this way I built ubuntu-md.org) <cjohnston> ic <cjohnston> I'm wanting to start workin on our loco-teams site.. it needs lots of work <stas> cjohnston: what loco you're part of? <cjohnston> florida <stas> and you're using wordpress? <stas> or just about to use it <cjohnston> yes <stas> nice <stas> cjohnston: when creating ubuntu-md I needed a couple of features like multilanguage and stuff, do you use any plugins or special features in theme? <stas> with theme* <cjohnston> not that im aware of <cjohnston> i havent done any work with it yet <stas> ok, thats great, no sifi requirements ease the work :) <cjohnston> hehe <stas> anyway, lets keep in touch, you're the first who would use the theme except my loco, which is cool <cjohnston> :-_ <stas> I also decided with adiroiban we should move ubuntu-ro to wordpress too <cjohnston> :-) #ubuntu-website 2010-05-23 <cjohnston> stas: is the ru theme available somewhere for viewing or just in the branch <stas> cjohnston: if you're subscribed to ubuntu-website mailing list <stas> agafonov sent an email <stas> with some links for testing the html <cjohnston> let me look again.. i guess i missed it <cjohnston> there it is <stas> send some feedback if you're checking it <cjohnston> I would personally go with something more like design.canonical.cpom <cjohnston> com <stas> yeah, that's ok but for blogs, we gonna have to deal with full featured websites, wiki's and forums #ubuntu-website 2010-05-24 <dieki> It's been almost a month now since 10.04 and the new branding, but all the Ubuntu sites (ubuntu.com, wiki.ubuntu.com, ubuntuforums.org, etc.) all seem to still be using the old branding. Why is that? Will they be updated? Or will that not happen until Maverick? <newz2000> dieki: soon. <dieki> Cool, I'm eagerly looking forward to it. :) #ubuntu-website 2010-05-25 <stas> newz2000: you can count me in for light-base-theme, though I'm not a good mate to help with IE testing, don't have MSFT software on my pc <newz2000> stas: it's easy to get help testing <stas> oh, than we're all set up :) <cjohnston> newz2000: can I close bug 577896 with the same reason as bug 577883? <ubot4> Launchpad bug 577896 in ubuntu-website "Ubuntu download page needs to be altered. (affects: 3) (heat: 18)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/577896 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 577883 in ubuntu-website "Inappropriate web site (affects: 3)" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/577883 * newz2000 looks <cjohnston> he filed basicaly the same bug again <newz2000> yes <cjohnston> hehe <knome> hey newz2000, you still around? <newz2000> knome: yes <knome> newz2000, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand2?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=xubuntu-site.png - i have this in html, would you be interested in it? <newz2000> knome: I don't think I need it, but it might be something to share with the community <newz2000> knome: is it a theme you're working on? <knome> newz2000, yes, i'm planning on updating the xubuntu.org site <newz2000> we're creating a place to store branches for the ubuntu versions of this theme, you're welcome to use the same <knome> well <knome> let's see <newz2000> ok <knome> i think we have quite a few departures from the default ubuntu look <knome> is there anything else you might need a hand with? <knome> it's the last day of studies tomorrow this spring, so i'll have more time in the following weeks <newz2000> knome: it's hard to say. Soon we'll have a lot more details and activity. I'm not sure what to expect yet except excitement <knome> okay, feel free to ping me <newz2000> ok, thanks #ubuntu-website 2010-05-26 <skwashd> hi all <skwashd> i had a client google download 8.04 server (or something similar) <skwashd> junior sys admin ended up downloading 8.04 from http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/ <skwashd> he didn't run the updates <skwashd> i know it is pretty clear that he should have <skwashd> can i suggest that there be something a clearly shown at the top of all pages on old-releases.u.o telling people these are old releases and to grab the latest version from releases.u.o ? <handheldCar> skwashd: are you looking for #ubuntu-server ? <handheldCar> oh <stas> skwashd: depends on what iso he downloaded <skwashd> he grabbed 8.04 cos that is what he was told we needed <stas> I can see there 8.04.3 <skwashd> from what i gather he is now having some trouble sitting comfortably ;) <stas> he should since he didn't upgraded <skwashd> stas: yes ... but it doesn't make it clear to the inexperienced visitor that the releases are all out of date <stas> skwashd: it should not be written on website that you should keep the servers os up to date <skwashd> especially now with 3 live server LTS releases hardy and dapper are both "old releases" in some people's minds <stas> 8.04 lts is my favourite os for servers <stas> rock solid <handheldCar> actually, hardy won't be old until july and 10.04.1 <skwashd> stas: or me ... a sysadmin with 10yrs+ experience ... i always install updates post install <stas> skwashd: so I don't need to tell you :) <skwashd> s/or/for <stas> it's his problem, either he installed lucid or hardy he now has updates for both <skwashd> all i am suggesting is that old-releases.ubuntu.org have some text with a link to releases.ubuntu.org <skwashd> stas: i am not saying he stuffed up ... i am just pointing out that there might be a case for making things easier for "human beings", rather than expecting everyone installing a server is an uber sysadmin <skwashd> s/i am not saying he stuffed up/i am not saying he didn't stuff up <skwashd> man ... i need to wake up more before starting discussions on irc <stas> skwashd: yeah I understand what you're saying, actually my opinion is that old-releases should be closed since it's confusing <skwashd> stas: i think that it does serve some purpose ... especially for development and testing ... but i think it is too accessible for inexperienced users <skwashd> stas: is there somewhere on launchpad i should file a bug report? or is there no point? <stas> skwashd: I think douglassanchez@example.org are the guys that maintain some of those servers, might be wrong anyway <stas> also ping jpds he should know more <stas> and don't get mad if somebody's not responding, in europe its past midnight :) <skwashd> stas: what timezone is jpds in? <stas> europe i belive :) <skwashd> i know what time it is .eu - got clients there :) <skwashd> i will pm him and see what happens <handheldCar> It's almost ironic that you're asking for a notice that releases on *old*-releases.u.o are *old*, but it's easy to miss a url. <skwashd> handheldCar: but for a lot of people lucid is "current" ... dapper and hardy are "old" <handheldCar> really, no one should use a ltr for production until it reaches .1 <skwashd> handheldCar: best practice !== common practice <skwashd> personally i find ubuntu alphas quite stable and things start to go down hill from beta1 <skwashd> production servers are a different story tho :) <stas> i see no reason upgrading a hardy, maybe after they bring btrfs into it <skwashd> stas: for me glusterfs and a recent version of solr are 2 good reasons to run lucid servers <stas> yeah, those are good for clouds, but for home usage/standalone servers I can see no reasons <stas> thoug I think both can be backported into hardy (which I did with some newer packages I needed) * handheldCar is looking forward to btrfs too. <skwashd> for completeness i discuss this with jpds and have filed a bug report against cdimages ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/585719 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 585719 in ubuntu-cdimage "old-releases.ubuntu.com doesn't tell uses images are out of date (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] <dieki> I see the new website is up. Great job! <dieki> It looks beautiful! <dieki> On Chrome at least, the text on the navbar is a tad bit hard to read. <dieki> Methinks it's because of the 1px drop shadow. <dieki> There are also stray pixels in the Forward\Backward buttons on the slideshow. <dieki> That's a Chrome-only issue, it seems. <dholbach> hey newz2000 <newz2000> hey <dholbach> so yeah, I thought we'd do a clever thing by reusing a lot of the ubuntu.com theming instead of copying it around <newz2000> yeah, I did that too in one place <newz2000> dholbach: if you can get me the path to the files you need I can mirror it somewhere <dholbach> http://paste.ubuntu.com/439904/ <dholbach> that should be it as far as I can tell <newz2000> dholbach: ok, I'm tracing through a maze of links and redirects but I'll have something in a little bit <newz2000> it will likely be a short-term workaround * dholbach hugs newz2000 <dholbach> awesome <newz2000> Wow, there's nothign like wading through your 3 year old hand-written code to make you feel humble. :-) <dholbach> :-) <mhall119> newz2000: has anyone talked to you about missing ubuntu09.css after the website update? <newz2000> as a matter of fact, yes. :-) <mhall119> okay, is there anything I can do to facilitate getting it back to where it's avaialble to loco.ubuntu.com? <dholbach> mhall119: newz2000 is chasing redirects right now :) <mhall119> even if we can just get a copy of the file, we can add it to the loco-dir sources <mhall119> otherwise we have to patch in css from -r 99 <mhall119> which is quite old now <dholbach> I'm sure newz can fix us up somehow <mhall119> I tried to see if it was any easy thing, but no luck <reya276> guys one thing I must say is that I love the way you guys used the grid layouts <newz2000> mhall119: I'm actively working on this right now so we'll have something soon <stas> wow, when the update was rolled out? :) <stas> congrats btw <newz2000> dholbach, mhall119: try now <newz2000> And then we need to get these assets moved to a new source <dholbach> newz2000: looks great <dholbach> http://loco.ubuntu.com <newz2000> dholbach: can you guys mirror the source into your local branch? <newz2000> until the work on the new branding is done? <dholbach> will old branding always be wiped again? <dholbach> newz2000: ^? <newz2000> dholbach: no guarantees <newz2000> consider it "buying time" <dholbach> that's good to know, I thought that all the "node pages" could rely on the ubuntu.com theming somehow <newz2000> from Spads newz2000: but please get the word out if you can, this is a temporary stopgap <newz2000> dholbach: there is a community effort (right here in this channel) to make community themes with the new look <dholbach> right <newz2000> we'll be moving quick to get some work done on that so you can switch to the new look <dholbach> I'll copy it in for now - I was keen for us to inherit as much as possible and copy as little as possible <newz2000> dholbach: the new theme will have a base theme all the sub-sites can derive from so this model will be supported I believe <dholbach> ok <dieki> When will the wiki.ubuntu.com theme be updated? <dholbach> newz2000: is there going to be some kind of announce or is there a bug I subscribe myself to, so I know when we can drop all the nicked theming again? <newz2000> dholbach: I'm guessing that there's no intention to deliberately remove it, but instead it's just a bad idea to count on it being there <dholbach> newz2000: I was a happy man when I thought we had removed all "copy / pasted" theming from our code and just maintained our own stuff <mhall119> thanks newz2000 <newz2000> ;-) <bihari> ? <thorwil> newz2000: if you move from http://www.ubuntu.com/netbook to /server, the logo on the right "jumps" * newz2000 checks <newz2000> interesting <knome> newz2000, the "server edition" slide is distracting <knome> newz2000, the dots do not work that well on the arrows... <newz2000> ok, I think I might get overwhelmed with bug reports this way... <newz2000> I've posted thorwil's bug, knome: would you post yours to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content/ <knome> newz2000, do you consider that a bug? <newz2000> if you put it there my project manager will forward it to the designers to consider <knome> okay <knome> newz2000, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content/+bug/585949 <ubot4> knome: Error: Bug #585949 is private. <newz2000> thanks knome <knome> oh well... :) <knome> do you want to be subscribed, or can you do that yourself? <thorwil> ooh, do you want secret bug reports? * thorwil clears the backlog too soon sometimes <bilalakhtar> Hello people, please see bug #585873 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 585873 in ubuntu-website "Page http://www.ubuntu.com/how-can-it-be-free is unreadable (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 24)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/585873 <bilalakhtar> opk, I got it. Its an overlay. Thanks, people <newz2000> stas: thanks for taking the lead on that email. I think you should wait about 30 min or so to see if a reply comes through then just pick your favourite choices from the options you outlined and reply as such. <newz2000> that will spur people with a passion on the subject to quickly speak up, and in case no one has a strong opinion you can begin without delay <newz2000> regarding fixed vs. fluid, there are benefits to both and you're going to upset half the world which ever is chosen <stas> newz2000: thanks, yeah you're right, if people don't get involved soon, they loose all the interest <stas> newz2000: yeah, about that, we can get some fixed width for website and see something more fluid for forums and wiki if the problem gains popularity <newz2000> good plan <stas> I just always hope for the best, thats why I proposed it :) <stas> basically the ubuntu-ru team work will give us a great boost if we accept it, but of course I would rewrite most of its html and css <newz2000> Someone has to take the reigns and drive it. :-) <newz2000> Ugh. kubuntu. <DJones> Is this thr right place to ask why http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download says "64-bit - Not recommended for daily desktop usage" A few people have asked why it says that in #ubuntu today & it'd be useful to be able to give them an answer <ianto> DJones: Probably because simply most computers support 32bits but not all support 64bits in the home today <DJones> ianto: Quite possibly, just seems that the wording sounds a bit odd, as though the 64 bit isn't stable enough for everyday use <ianto> I guess it's just a step to avoid people downloading the wrong architecture and then having a bad experience with the OS, i.e. it wouldn't boot from the disk at all for them <newz2000> hey ryanakca, around? <ofirk> newz2000: hi <newz2000> hey ofirk <ofirk> newz2000: just saw the new website <ofirk> newz2000: great work! <newz2000> thanks (on behalf of the team that did the work) <newz2000> ofirk: did you see the email I sent you a bit ago? <ofirk> newz2000: yeah, and I fixed it. <ofirk> Thanks! <newz2000> awesome <cjohnston> newz2000: bug 585816 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 585816 in ubuntu-website "No styling on: http://webapps.ubuntu.com/partners/ (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/585816 <cjohnston> should the new theme already be on all pages? <cjohnston> got plenty of new bugs for ya #ubuntu-website 2010-05-27 <cjohnston> newz2000: do you want to send out an email opening up devel for light-base-theme? <handheldCar> newz2000: are you awake? <bilalakhtar> Hi there, people. Please check out bug #586201 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 586201 in ubuntu-website "404 page links to wrong contact page (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/586201 <bilalakhtar> Anyone here having the same issue? <jdub> howdy <jdub> couple of Qs <jdub> 1) how can i help update the theme and planet infrastructure under planet ubuntu? <jdub> (note: i set up puc way back in the deep, dark mists of time) <jdub> 2) there are lots of 404s on the new ubuntu website <jdub> notably lots of the community related stuf <jdub> newz2000: ping? ^^^ <newz2000> hey <newz2000> hey jdub, regarding the theme, you're welcome to move on your own but stas and a few others in here are working on creating a community base-theme <newz2000> I'm hoping that we can show something in the next day or two <newz2000> that will then be the foundation of other themes, wordpress, planet, moin, etc, that can launch in the days and weeks following <newz2000> regarding 404's, we'll be redirecting broken pages to new equivs. I've added many yesterday and more today and tomorrow <jdub> ok <jdub> i can help shift puc to venus and do the theming work once the design is done, if that helps <newz2000> that would be great because I don't think we have any planet themers <newz2000> the base theme will be plain html/css so you should be able to adapt it easily <stas> newz2000: yes, I'm planing to release something untill end of weekend <newz2000> stas: you rock. :-) <jdub> where should i watch for info? <newz2000> jdub: there is a low-traffic mailing list called ubuntu-website <newz2000> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website has details <stas> jdub: also here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/WebThemes <jdub> beaut, thanks <jdub> oh, i can help with wordpress stuff too i guess <stas> jdub: great, for that please check the launchpad.net/wordpress-loco <jdub> stas: cool, which gsoc project are you working on in wordpress land? <stas> jdub: buddypress, building a moodle above it :) <stas> right now on a irc chat with my mentors and jane :) <jdub> ooh, sweet project <stas> we will rock if we succeed :) wp ftw <jdub> newz2000: how can i help shift to venus? <newz2000> jdub: is venus a server? <jdub> newz2000: it's essentially planet 3.0 <jdub> newz2000: as far as i can tell, puc is still running planet 2 <stas> jdub: you can also check out our branch in lp <stas> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ro <stas> there one with planet <newz2000> jdub: ah. I am probably not the best one to ask about that. <jdub> stas: what's that branch? <jdub> newz2000: probably an IS team thing? <jdub> hmm <newz2000> yeah <jdub> perhaps i will do some testing and then send a diff for the config file to ubuntu-website <jdub> as a conduit for those dudes <newz2000> yeah, sounds like a good plan <jdub> is elmo still around these days? <newz2000> absolutely <newz2000> he has a bunch of henchmen now though <stas> jdub: try this one lp:~alexeftimie/ubuntu-ro/planet <stas> sorry didn't see there's one with our planet config <jpds> jdub: planet> I think people are trying to move things to feedjack. <jdub> "people" hey? <jpds> Mostly, Daviey. <stas> i'm ok with venus, can't see reason to use django for a planet <jdub> well if that's a medium term thing, venus is a easy and worthy short term change <jdub> stas: is the ubuntu theme in that branch pretty much the same as the one on puc? <stas> jdub: http://planet.ubuntu.ro/ <jdub> ah! i was trying planet.ubuntu-ro.org 8) <jdub> ah ok, that one's closer to the previous version of the ubuntu website <stas> jdub: hmm, whats puc? :) <jdub> planet.ubuntu.com, sorry :) <jdub> ok, gotta run -- thanks all <cjohnston> hey newz2000 <newz2000> hey <cjohnston> got plenty of bugs for ya :-P <cjohnston> don't know if you saw, but i makred a couple critical <newz2000> oh, I didn't see <newz2000> cjohnston: I'll look at it <cjohnston> bug 586130 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 586130 in ubuntu-website "UCP page title needs correct capitalization and spelling (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/586130 <cjohnston> bug 586133 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 586133 in ubuntu-website "UCP training objectives page title needs correct capitalization and spelling (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/586133 <cjohnston> and then tons of broken links of course <cjohnston> youll be chasing those for months <cjohnston> :-P <newz2000> we're working on broken links <newz2000> we've got reports. :-) <popey> newz2000: the wording on the download for 64-bit seems a bit clunky <popey> "64-bit - Not recommended for daily desktop usage" <popey> two people have asked me what that means in the last hour <cjohnston> a bunch of people ahve commented on the bug too <popey> is there a bug about it? <cjohnston> yes * popey looks <cjohnston> bug 585940 popey <ubot4> Launchpad bug 585940 in ubuntu-website "Text reads "not recommended" for 64-bit (affects: 10) (heat: 46)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/585940 <popey> thanks <cjohnston> np <cjohnston> newz2000: did you see my comment about sending an email to the list about opening up dev for light-base-them <handheldCar> newz2000: so the plain HTML skeleton will include internal/inline CSS? <newz2000> handheldCar: no, it should be a separate css file <newz2000> cjohnston: I don't think so, will check shortly <newz2000> hi all, sorry for the silence, I'm fixing bugs like crazy... <newz2000> or should say, dealing with bugs (categorizing, etc. bleh) <newz2000> I just wanted to say that we updated http://webapps.ubuntu.com with the new theme <newz2000> the css and imagery is far more useful than the drupal site <newz2000> (and by we I mean, I pushed the branch live, others in the company did the awesome work on that) #ubuntu-website 2010-05-30 <cjohnston> stas: ping <stas> cjohnston: pong <knome> klang #ubuntu-website 2011-05-01 <newz2000> AlanBell: yes, it's being worked on. We have a little bit of a staff shortage but I did get an email yesterday saying they knew about it and were working. <AlanBell> thanks newz2000 <AlanBell> first I knew was it was broken on the ubuntu accessibility team blog then I saw other people complaining that the images on their blogs were wrong #ubuntu-website 2011-05-05 <Reventlov> Hello <Reventlov> Good evening* <Reventlov> I'm searching for the source of http://paste.ubuntu.com/ <Reventlov> Is it closed-source ? <newz2000> Reventlov: I don't know. I think it was just quickly put together by someone who had some spare time. The Canonical IS team would be able to help best. <newz2000> You can find them at douglassanchez@example.org <Reventlov> newz2000: ok, thanks. Do you know where they are ? :p <newz2000> They tend to be all over the place but right now I suspect a higher than typical density based around Budapest. :-) <Reventlov> :^ <newz2000> However, if you send to that e-mail it goes into a ticketing system. <newz2000> And the first available can help you. <newz2000> Reventlov: why do you ask, are you looking for a system to deploy for yourself, or are you looking to improve the one we use now? <Reventlov> newz2000: both :p <newz2000> ok. I'm not certain, but I think the person who made that is SpaceHobo, though the theme was made by someone in the ubuntu community (who I'd have to look up) <Reventlov> This is very "simple" <Reventlov> very clear #ubuntu-website 2011-05-08 <MTecknology> gah.... website development kinda sucks <MTecknology> such a huge pita <MTecknology> I'm trying to solve an issue that is consistent across IE, Chromium, Opera, and Firefox; it's prevalent in sites like facebook too.... <MTecknology> nobody seems to have crap for a clue how to fix it <MTecknology> once thing that fixes an issue in webkit browsers breaks for non-webkit browsers, and vise-versa <MTecknology> Anyone know who handles s.ubuntu.ru ? <MTecknology> I know it's registered by canonical, just wondering who actually manages it #ubuntu-website 2011-05-09 <MTecknology> newz2000: you around? <MTecknology> newz2000: I'm not sure how I should handle Drupal 6 and Drupal 7 versions of the theme <MTecknology> cjohnston: maybe you could answer that too? <MTecknology> k.. i think i got it dealt with... <MTecknology> newz2000: Might want to consider setting a license on 'ubuntu-website' ? <MTecknology> probably 'Other/Open Source' with an explanation that it's open per branch based on the project the source is targetted for? <MTecknology> I'm not sure if any non-foss code exists in there, so maybe check both of those boxes if that be the case.. <cjohnston> MTecknology: ubuntu-website is somewhat being abandonded <nigelb> newz2000: ping <nigelb> newz2000: seen mhall119? <newz2000> hey nigelb <nigelb> newz2000: hey, found him :) <newz2000> ok, cool <l3on> HI all, is there a page about Â«Universal access in UbuntuÂ» on the website?... I'm looking for but I can't found any... <MTecknology> cjohnston: oh? <MTecknology> cjohnston: how come? <cjohnston> trying to provide better places to report bugs so that the reach the right people so we dont have 300 bugs open and noone knows about it <MTecknology> oh #ubuntu-website 2011-05-10 <cjohnston> does anyone know who maintains the cloud portal <daker> cjohnston, me <cjohnston> we need to talk later please <daker> sure <l3on> Hi all, is there some pictograms that show a "feed icon" ? #ubuntu-website 2011-05-16 <MTecknology> woo! <cjohnston> ? <MTecknology> finally got done with light-drupal7-theme <MTecknology> now the LP-OpenID modules.. and the other modules... <MTecknology> cjohnston: want to help with those? <cjohnston> no <cjohnston> I don't know anything about drupal <MTecknology> you should learn and help me!! :D <cjohnston> You haven't seen my action item list yet from uds <MTecknology> no <cjohnston> heh <pleia2> it's longer than mine :) <MTecknology> It seems people love to use drupal because it's insanely flexible and versatile; but nobody wants to develop for it for the same reason.. <cjohnston> pleia2: my first time walking away with action items :-( <pleia2> cjohnston: oh I see, making up
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