#lubuntu 2011-03-01 <basso> just inactivity mate <fmf> hi everyone <fmf> i am searching volwheel or obmixer for ubuntu <red__> mornin' <Unit193> Still night for me <leszek> hi <red_> yo, leszek <tuhin> hi all <tuhin> how much ram lubuntu uses right after boot? <head_victim> tuhin: good questions, not much is my response but I'll go see if I can find something more concrete <tuhin> in Mint10 Gnome it takes abt 280MB after boot, i am looking for a lighter os which can work with 128/192 MB ram old pcs <head_victim> I think it really dpeneds on what installation method you use, there is the normal one, the alternate one and the minimal one. If you use the minimal one then you're going to get a much smaller footprint than with the other 2. <jmarsden> tuhin: I think around 185MB on a P4 machine I looked at that on. <tuhin> hmm that sounds good <head_victim> tuhin: I would look into https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall for you <head_victim> It sounds like the best way to achieve a really small memory footprint <tuhin> does it have GUI or only terminal <head_victim> That will use a text based installer yo give you a GUI environment when it's installed. <tuhin> if i try that minimal install* <tuhin> ok , anyone installed that way and can report the ram usage? <head_victim> It sohuld be much less than 280MB, I'm using 420 MB and I have xchat, skype, amsn, multiple chromium windows and some other stuff running. <red_> how to tell wheter opengl is working in lubuntu? <tuhin> head_victim , u mean the hdd install size is 420MB with those programs installed?? how much ram usage? <head_victim> tuhin: that's the ram usage <head_victim> With all those programs running <tuhin> and the 280 MB ??? <head_victim> I have less than 4gb on my / <craigbass1976> How do I shut off system sounds? I can't find it anywhere. <tuhin> there is no mute? <head_victim> craigbass1976: Menu > Customise Look & Feel > Other and there are tickboxes for system sounds <tuhin> head_victim, how much ram usage right after boot? <head_victim> tuhin: I can't say mate, I haven't rebooted this pc in weeks <tuhin> hmm Lubuntu sounds rock solid stable <craigbass1976> tuhin, well, I'll want to listed to streaming audio, I just don't care to hear that ubuntu drum whenever something important is going on. <craigbass1976> head_victim, I dont' see sucha choice in my menu <head_victim> craigbass1976: Ah crap I missed one, my bad. <head_victim> craigbass1976: Menu > Preferences > Customise Look & Feel > Other and there are tickboxes for system sounds <craigbass1976> head_victim, I don't see the customize look and feel there either. I'm on 10.04, does that matter? <head_victim> Shouldn't <head_victim> red_: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/56826 <head_victim> craigbass1976: hmm I don't have a 10.04 to test on sorry, this is only 10.10 :/ <head_victim> Should be one of the last menu entries. <craigbass1976> head_victim, http://thebestcabinetsite.com/screenshot.png <head_victim> Hmm your "appearance" has the same icon as my "customise look and fee" so it may be there? <craigbass1976> head_victim, is there a text file in /home/me somewhere? <head_victim> craigbass1976: I'm sorry mate I'm not that advanced. https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop has all the mailing list details I'm sure someone on there would be able to give you a response reasonably quickly <craigbass1976> I'll keep annoying my boss for now. mwahahaha... <tuhin> head_victim ,which lubuntu version u using? <head_victim> 10.10 <head_victim> craigbass1976: no worries mate :) <tuhin> which is the lightest ubuntu based distro? i want to use the ubuntu repository coz its rich, but want to use in 128/192 MB ram pc <wolfpack> tuhin: go for lubuntu <head_victim> tuhin: I'd really recommend Lubuntu and install it via the minimal install link I posted earlier. All the other versions are too heavy for that much ram or are not updated regularly enough. <tuhin> hmm thanks for advice, i noting the link <tuhin> so lubuntu will work fine in 128MB RAM pcs <head_victim> As long as you aren't going to try and open 200 websites and run 30 games, etc, etc it will function as well as a computer with 128MB ram can function. <head_victim> I see Lubuntu as a good balance between the usability of Ubuntu and the lightness of LXDE. There are other lighter linux distro's out there but they aren't as user friendly in my experience. <tuhin> thanks , thats the answer i was looking for <tuhin> lubunut can be "Installed" (not live usb) in USB ? <head_victim> it can do both <tuhin> ok <head_victim> Well it's 3am here so I'm off to get some shut eye. If you have further questions hopefully someone else is around if not try the mailing list at https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop <wolfpack> head_victim: have a good sleep. I will be here to help him :) <head_victim> Thanks wolfpack, cheerio <tuhin> have a sound sleep Head_victim <wolfpack> hey tuhin , you can take help of TAB while typing name. <tuhin> thanks wolfpack <tuhin> lubuntu becoming official canonical distro? <wolfpack> Soon it will become official part of ubuntu <red_> really? <red_> is that a good thing? <jmarsden> red_: YES! It will mean we can use Ubuntu build servers and other infrastructure, for one thing (that affects me)... <jmarsden> It also will mean increased visibility and publicity for Lubuntu <jmarsden> But I need to go to work, so I can't discuss this any more right now :) <silverarrow> hi <red_> hello all <wolfpack> hi red_ , silverarrow <silverarrow> hi <silverarrow> I am struggelig with installing opera, and opted for firefox in stead, at least it is in package manager <red_> i have opera 11.01 <red_> running ok <red_> with flash and java <bravo033> hello <red_> hej <mark76> Yes there are people here <red_> its a party, allrite <mark76> But they might be distracted <bravo033> when i apply updates and a update requires for me to reboot, the restart option on the update menu doesn't work. <bravo033> also, will there be an option to lock your computer under the logout menu? <mark76> No idea. Sorry <Camci> Hello, Do I just burn the iso to a CD to try as Live-CD? <mark76> yES <mark76> Yes <mark76> That's why it's called a "live" CD <Camci> ok <Camci> will be trying out this linux thing for the first time <Camci> :p <Camci> I have one question, will by KVM switch still work between windows 7 and lubuntu? <Camci> my* #lubuntu 2011-03-02 <Jef91> Anyone know if there are ANY .deb builds of PCManFM 0.9.x that don't seg out when right clicking on files as root? <red_> tnx, head_victim for the opengl info <head_victim> red_: glad it worked out <head_victim> Nice to know when it works as well so thanks for letting me know. <red_> i went through your link and did what it i was told there apparently i have direct rendering: Yes <red_> yea, i checked the logs from the irclogs site :))) <red_> lots of interesting stuff there <red_> just ctrl-f and you are there <red_> i took it down a notch switching from xchat to irssi to save some ram usage <head_victim> Yeah that's why I like helping on logged channels, it means the solutiosn are there for everyone to use <head_victim> Ah ok I prefer xchat but then again I have 2 gb of ram to play with <red_> i only have 512mb lol old laptop from 2005 <red_> but lubuntu runs nice <red_> ubuntu not so much <head_victim> Yeah my personal experience is if it's a P4 or older then Lubuntu is the best selection, if it's a C2D with a couple of GB or ram or more normal Ubuntu is my preference. <red_> yes, i tried several live distros but decided to go with lubuntu. I was trying wattos (another low demand os) but with lubuntu there is way more supported with ubuntu forums and all <bioterror> depends on need <bioterror> if you want to use gnome, why not, waste your resources <red_> eh, just browse the web and mail for me on this comp <bioterror> I have a dual core computer with 4GB of RAM and my desktop is a WindowMaker <red_> lol <red_> have u tried blackbox? <bioterror> I could run "anything" with it <head_victim> bioterror: yeah I like the features of gnome for my quad core with 10gb ram. <bioterror> red_, blackbox is soooo 90's, fluxbox is the future <red_> i see i am "new" to this whole DE scene ;) <bioterror> I dont know what features I am missing with my cribbled WMaker and Thunar file browser :D <mark76> PekWM FTW! <bioterror> red_, but FYI, I'm going to use Fluxbox on my coming HTPC ;) <bioterror> it was sent today! <red_> fluxbox's nice <red_> that is so cool, having htpc, my guess is, since you are uber l33t <bioterror> daamn, I could go to fap as I'm so excited about this htpc :D <red_> you will have all access via remote <bioterror> well <bioterror> I have to buy these remotes :D <bioterror> and case too, it's going to replace my Popcorn Hour A-110 <mark76> Seriously. Try PekWM. <mark76> It has tabbed windows <bioterror> but my 2cents is that there's no idea to waste resources on gnome or other stuff <bioterror> if you can do the same tasks with something lighter <red_> does java and flash work on that super light DE (fluxbox, blackbox...)? <bioterror> why not <red_> you can browse pages, right? <bioterror> what? :D <red_> nothing nothing <red_> what i meant was <red_> for instance <red_> with blackbox you can surf the web <red_> without "classic" web browser <red_> it can display pages <bioterror> I'm not now understanding <red_> maybe i'm unclear, forgive my terminology <red_> hehe <red_> a sec plz <red_> maybe i can goole some screenshots to explain <bioterror> try to find it, I'll go replace one laptop and switch harddrives on them too <bioterror> afk for ~10min ;) <bioterror> yeah <bioterror> red_, did you find anything? :D <red_> no i must've confused window manager and desktop environment <red_> the blackbox screenshots did not have what i was looking for <bioterror> :D <red_> that is different thing right? wm and de? <bioterror> yes <bioterror> DE should bring you a whole desktop usability or how it should be explained <red_> ok, tnx for learning me and explaining this basic linux-related things <red_> xinput list <Camci> Hello, I need help please, im a complete newb to linux alltogheter, i have installed Lubuntu last night and this morning I have installed vsftpd, I have done the configuration and it is running. <Camci> I have no idea how to create a new user for it and give it access to say /home/enes/Downloads . Can someone help me please? <red_> yes i think i can <red_> just type <red_> adduser <red_> adduser <usernma> <password> <red_> for permissions and stuff wait for bioterror <bioterror> I'm just wondering why :D <Camci> thanks <Camci> why? <bioterror> why ftpd <Camci> someone said it was good :p <Camci> or something <Camci> why not? :p <bioterror> not that it's my business, but I'm just curious why would you want to use ftpd and escpecially let him go to your ~/Downloads <Camci> its me <Camci> who wanna go there <Camci> I have a home server <Camci> and I wanna reach that folder via my windows <bioterror> hey <bioterror> USE SAMBA! <bioterror> samba == windows share <bioterror> \\computer\share\ <bioterror> you know ;) <Camci> no im confused :P <bioterror> how so <bioterror> you have in windows "share this folder" right? <Camci> but wouldnt vsftpd work? All im gonna do is to connect to it every now and then and download the files. <bioterror> and then you can access it by using \\computer\share\ <bioterror> sudo apt-get install samba <bioterror> then you edit your /etc/samba/smb.conf <bioterror> you put your workgroup there <bioterror> the same you have in windows <bioterror> and then you add your shares <bioterror> I can give you an example <Camci> and I can share any folder to windows? <bioterror> yes <bioterror> you can access them by explorer <Camci> gonna try it now <Camci> sec :p <bioterror> I use it myself for my networked media tank <Camci> gksudo gedit/etc/samba/smb.conf ? <bioterror> yes <bioterror> http://paste.ubuntu.com/574403/ <bioterror> replace sad157 with your username <bioterror> and put a correct path <Camci> ok its installing right now <bioterror> you can name it [Downloads@Linux] or something or something like that <bioterror> it will show the share then as Downloads@Linux <Camci> I see <Camci> the user name <Camci> its the username on the lubuntu yes? <Camci> and not the windows? <bioterror> yes <bioterror> on your machine <Camci> ok <Enes> easier if im here from the machine :p <bioterror> and then you can say "sudo service samba restart" <Enes> Do i add the text you linked at the bottom? <bioterror> yes <Enes> How do I know what group am I in? <bioterror> I have a group "SAPPORO" as that's my domain in my home <bioterror> you can figure out something <Enes> ok <Enes> now i restart <bioterror> my computers are something.sapporo <Enes> ah <bioterror> you should then put your windows into same workgroup <Enes> Yea I changed the work group to same as windows <bioterror> good <bioterror> can you now see the share from your windows? <Enes> just gonna restart <Enes> sudo service samba restart didnt work <Enes> unrecognized service <bioterror> hmmm <bioterror> try smb instead of samba :D <Enes> nope :( <bioterror> ls /etc/init.d/ <bioterror> do you see samba or smb there <Enes> smbd <bioterror> sudo /etc/init.d/smbd restart <Enes> ok <Enes> ok <Enes> done <bioterror> now, refresh your network drives on windows <bioterror> your computer should broadcast itself <Camci> I dont see it <bioterror> you should if you're in a same network with it ;) <bioterror> same LAN <Camci> I am <Camci> both are here <Camci> maybe I missed something? <Camci> do I have to change anything in windows? <bioterror> nope, you should not <bioterror> can you from windows do \\com.puters.ip.address\ <bioterror> 192.168.102 <bioterror> (316)288-4715 <bioterror> or what ever that's <bioterror> that just example what people mostly have <Camci> (316)288-4715 ENES-LUBUNTU <bioterror> okay <Camci> is my server <bioterror> \\(316)288-4715\ <bioterror> if you put that to your address bar on windows's explorer <Camci> now it wants username and pw <Camci> no idea what it is <Camci> :P <bioterror> your login credentials <bioterror> for the server <Camci> ah * bioterror crosses fingers <Camci> wrong name or pw <Camci> o.O <bioterror> yeah <bioterror> you have to give them <bioterror> just a moment <bioterror> on server <bioterror> open terminal <bioterror> and <Enes> ok <bioterror> "sudo smbpasswd -a USER" <bioterror> replace user with your username <Enes> enes ? <bioterror> if it asks for a password, give the same as you use for login <Enes> ok <Enes> done <bioterror> try again from explorer <Camci> yay <bioterror> can you browse stuff? <Camci> yea <Camci> I can see the stuff :) <bioterror> okay <bioterror> good <bioterror> now you can remove that horrible ftpd :D <Camci> thank you thank you thank you <bioterror> yeah, that's a lot smarter way to do it <bioterror> but I'm wondering why your windows cant see the shared folder <bioterror> if you want to access your windows share from lubuntu <bioterror> do "sudo apt-get install gvfs-backends" <Camci> I dont need to access anything from windows :) <bioterror> are you sure?-) <Camci> yea, server is only for download, then ig et it from there to windows <Camci> thats it :D <bioterror> :( <bioterror> oh well, enjoy your lubuntu ;) <Camci> I made a shortcut on desktop so i can reach it fast :p <Camci> how do I delete vsftpd? :p <bioterror> sudo apt-get purge vsftpd <Enes> thanks! <Camci> reboot <red_> icewm or fluxbox? <bioterror> red_, openbox with lxde on it, ofcourse! <red_> that is the default combo in lubuntu, right? <bioterror> yes <red_> what would happen if i'd kill openbox process? <bioterror> try it out :D <red_> ok, here goes :) <red__> lol <red__> i cant start open box again <red__> now i am on ctrl+alt-F1 irssi <red__> and if ctl-alt-F7 it looks like as if i had killed a "taskmanager" in windows <red__> lolz <red_> lol <red_> im back <Guest690000> hi <frede> hi, is there a way to automatically lock the screen when waking up from sleep? <mark76> Where's the Lubuntu lxpanel profile kept? <bioterror> /usr/share/lxpanel/profile/Lubuntu/ <mark76> Ta <mark76> http://imagebin.org/140784 <bioterror> you're tweaking? :) <mark76> Yeah <mark76> Can you guess what the bottom panel is? <bioterror> hard to say <mark76> It's bmpanel2 <mark76> Do I need to have lxpanel in my autostart file for it to start? <bioterror> A modern, NETWM compliant, bitmap theme-based x11 panel. <mark76> That's the one <mark76> The theme is called Light-T <mark76> /share <bioterror> damn <bioterror> my brains aint working <red_> whats the matter? <bioterror> trying to figure out the autostart file <bioterror> hahaa <bioterror> /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart <bioterror> there you go mark76 ;) <mark76> I know <szczur> mark76, your system looks awesome :) <mark76> Thanks <mark76> Glad you like it :D <mark76> Does the indicator-applets plugin for lxpanel ever work? <ThinkT510> is there a 64bit iso for 10.10? <bioterror> nope <bioterror> you have to use miniman installation or other ubuntu versions <bioterror> I would prefer minimal <ThinkT510> i see, any plans for 64bit iso's for future releases? or is that against the grain (since lubuntu is best for netbooks/ older computers) <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall <bioterror> ThinkT510, we're working on it for the 11.04 <ThinkT510> sweet <bioterror> there has been lots of demand for it <ThinkT510> i was suprised to see lubuntu gets more hits than xubuntu in distrowatch <ThinkT510> thanks for the info <sico> i had lubuntu and winxpsp3 in my grub menu. now winxp is missing. what command would i use in terminal to fix this? <sico> sudo update-grub2 doesn't show it <bioterror> sudo apt-get install os-prober <bioterror> sudo os-prober <bioterror> sudo update-grub <sico> bioterror, ty kind sir :D <bioterror> you dont have to sir me ,) <kosaidpo|> hello <sico> sorry. thanks tho. <kosaidpo|> sico: if you have a dual boot and it didnt wok i still have my old grub.cfg if u want it to help uself <kosaidpo|> bioterror: any idea how to type in arab using an app ? <kosaidpo|> not my real keys ? <bioterror> nope, I'm not an arab <kosaidpo|> bioterror: hihi i kno ,and i am :D <sico> i had a grub.cfg from another computer with simliar setup and i'm sure i co it nduld've eventually manually got it. i just knew thewas something ez like bioterror stated but couldn't find it. normally i have to add ubuntu back after windows install. i can do that. strange that it was there, win in grub. i wonder why it 'left' <kosaidpo|> well me after an upgrade it gone #lubuntu 2011-03-03 <MichealH> Hi, I have tried to open nano, but I cannot, It says I need to 'Select a terminal type' <MichealH> I am runnnng 10.10 <MichealH> it also happens in 10.04 <head_victim> MichealH: odd, it's worked fine here (nano is my editor of choice for all config files) <MichealH> Let me paste the one line of output <head_victim> Are you just running the command "nano" from terminal or are you doing something a little different <head_victim> Yeah that would be good :) <MichealH> Error opening terminal: unknown. <MichealH> But shh says "Please select a terminal type" <MichealH> *ssh <MichealH> I am doing nano gtk.py <head_victim> Can you perform the command locally on the machine? <MichealH> I am running the command in LXTermial <MichealH> *LXTerminal <MichealH> michealh@michealh-desktop:~$ nano gtk.py <MichealH> Error opening terminal: unknown. <head_victim> Ah sorry It hought you said you were running it over ssh <MichealH> ssh to a computer tells me to select a terminal type <head_victim> http://www.uluga.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1559201 <head_victim> That might help :) <stlsaint> head_victim: sup amn <head_victim> gday stlsaint ltns <stlsaint> yea yea <stlsaint> im on more as of lately now that im more settled <head_victim> MichealH: did that link help? <MichealH> head_victim, But it works in the CTRL+ALT+F1 mode? <NRWlion> MichealH, you called for help? <MichealH> I cannot open nano <stlsaint> someone needs help? <MichealH> It asks for a terminal type of csome sort <stlsaint> oh <NRWlion> http://www.nano-editor.org/ <NRWlion> or try # nano dateiname via shell <stlsaint> MichealH: what happens when you type: nano file <MichealH> michealh@michealh-desktop:~$ nano gtk.py <MichealH> Error opening terminal: unknown. <stlsaint> MichealH: hrm <stlsaint> interesting <MichealH> It works in CTRL+ALT+F* <MichealH> t happens in 10.04 opening SSH, It asks me to speciafy a terminal type <NRWlion> MichealH, try this one http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Nano and follow the part behind Error opening terminal <stlsaint> MichealH: oh have you not choosen a shell? <MichealH> Im using LXTerminal <stlsaint> MichealH: try running: chsh <stlsaint> then choose your shell <stlsaint> /bin/bash or whatever * stlsaint uses zsh ;) <MichealH> stlsaint, Did nto work <NRWlion> MichealH, got my link? <MichealH> NRWlion, Yup <MichealH> Looking <MichealH> That seems to have not worked either <NRWlion> looked at the newbie solution under that? <MichealH> The one under the newbie one has worked <MichealH> Thanks NRWlion <MichealH> I like nano for the syntax hilighing <NRWlion> you are welcome michael ;) * NRWlion works with Bluefish <head_victim> Sorry I'm organising myself for work but I'll leave you in stlsaint's good hands MichealH, good luck :D * head_victim changed the topic of #lubuntu to: Lubuntu 10.10 has been released || Please use the Bit-Torrent to download at http://j.mp/lu-10-10 || Off-topic discussion in #lubuntu-offtopic || Documentation can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu || A review of Lubuntu - http://bit.ly/gXlJ94 <head_victim> Hmm freenode is a little odd right about now. Good luck, work calls <MichealH> head_victim, Its a tech issue :P * MichealH gets the string :P <stlsaint_> MichealH: sorry <MichealH> stlsaint_, Sorry about what? <stlsaint_> shell tip not working <f1assistance> how does lubuntu compare to xubuntu? I have a laptop with PIII 1 GHz processor and 1 GB RAM... <sico> i'm using it with a celeron 1.4, 1.5GB ram (laptop) <sico> i had x/k/u as well, but i got rid of them yesterday and started with a clean lubuntu. i get more battery life, almost 40 mins more. <Unit193> f1assistance: I got Lubuntu on 500MHz 512Ram 10G HDD <f1assistance> is there a performance difference or would there be a better experience with one over the other? #lubuntu 2011-03-04 <Unit193> f1assistance: I wouldn't try xubuntu on it... <sgh> hello, can you tell me the name of the software which makes it possible to customize keyboard layouts please? <sgh> I mean the software which gets installed with Ubuntu <bioterror> you want dvorak? <sgh> I guess it's all there already but it lacks a GUI in Lubuntu^^ <sgh> I'll try this out <sgh> thanks <bioterror> or what are you after <bioterror> seems like you want just change the US keyboard layout to deutch? <sgh> no, the problem is that it is german and that I use a software which uses US layout <sgh> anyway ? aren't available there <sgh> *question marks <sgh> therefore I want to customize it <bioterror> I've never had that kind of need <sgh> yeah it's tricky - I play a game in wine where the keyboard layout can be changed <sgh> it works correctly in Windows <sgh> but in Wine it doesn't <sgh> probably thats just a Wine issue? questions marks work in Lubuntu.. <sgh> well I'll search for specific information regarding wine and keyboard layouts then <sgh> thanks anyway :) <gilir> lubuntu alpha 3 available, please use the torrent :) <MichealH> gilir, Thats great :D <chalkartist> hi all <chalkartist> question: wondering how to mount/see a usb drive in lubuntu... doesn't show up in 'fdisk -l' after plugging in... checked the hardware using another os live cd and everything is normal.... #lubuntu 2011-03-05 <pip__> I like the new graphics at partitioning options in the alpha 3 :) <bal_> hi guys, need a hand <mark76> ? <jmarsden> bal_: Hands are not included with Lubuntu by default... can you be more specific :) <bal_> sorry, installed lubuntu on a machine that wasn't connected to the internet, and now I have now applications installed, or shown in the menu <bal_> the only options in the menu are run and logout <bal_> any ideas? <jmarsden> bal_: Is the machine connected to the Internet now? <bal_> hang on. I have leafpad, but chromium won't fire up <jmarsden> bal_: Get to a command shell, never mind browsers and GUI apps in general, if you want to fix things :) <bal_> yes <bal_> abiword is there <bal_> ok <jmarsden> bal_: Do you have a working bash shell in LXterminal or similar? yes or no. Never mind abiword and other GUI apps... <bal_> sorry, I'm being dense, is it possible to remind me how to drop to a shell? :P <jmarsden> How did you run abiword if there was no menu... ? <jmarsden> How did you "drop to" abiword? <jmarsden> bal_: If the menus work, click Start -> Accessories -. LXterminal <jmarsden> bal_: Hello? Are you still here in IRC? :) <jmarsden> AH. apparently not. <bal_> I'm back and the pc is now in a Command shell <bal_> no gui at all since I can't find lxtermina; <bal_> jmarsden? any ideas? <bal_> I am deliberately in CLI mode btw. :P <jmarsden> OK. sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade <jmarsden> So you get the latest stuff from the repositories. <jmarsden> How were you getting to abiword etc earlier if there were no menus and you had no shell open? <bal_> I did it using the right click menu on a txt file <jmarsden> Ah, OK. Alright, did the sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade work as expected? <bal_> just checking now <bal_> sorry if this takes a while, the internet connection here is glacially slow <jmarsden> bal_: OK... BTW you might want to set things up so you can ssh into the Lubuntu machine from the machine you are using for IRC, so you can easily cut and paste commands etc. <bal_> ok, will do that in a mo <jmarsden> bal_: Any progress? :) <bal_> 15mins remaining, for 9 mb... <jmarsden> OK... I have 10Mbps down here (fiber connection), so I'm not used to waiting around for the Internet like this :) <jmarsden> But the fact that it is downloading and updating is in itself positive. <bal_> yeah, it's just taking its sweet time about it <jmarsden> You seem to be in the UK... should be able to get at least 1Mbps in most places in the UK, I would think? <bal_> in a rural area in west wales <jmarsden> Ah, OK. <bal_> at home in exeter, I get around 12-13 mbps <jmarsden> While we wait, what version of Lubuntu are you installing? 10.10, or one of the recent Alpha test releases for 11.04 natty? <bal_> 10.10 <bal_> haven't got time to mess around with alpha software atm <jmarsden> OK. I think I saw the "no menus" issue once in 10.10 but I don't remember exactly what I did to fix it... we'll get there... <bal_> we will, thanks for your time btw. :) <jmarsden> No problem. <bal_> installing on this computer was a debacle, the computer only has 128MB RAM, so it couldn't handle running the cd. <bal_> so I took the HDD out, put it into another, higher spec computer, installed lubuntu, then switched the HDD back <bal_> installing kernel updates as well by the looks of it, so it would probably be best to do a reboot after this <bal_> 5 mins... <jmarsden> Ewww. That's not exactly the officially supported install method for low RAM machines :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall <bal_> Now you tell me. :P <jmarsden> I have no idea if that's relevant to the menu issue, but... it pays to read the wiki pages before installing :) <bal_> yeah <bal_> Still, it boots up, I just have an interesting... problem <bal_> less than a minute! <jmarsden> :) <bal_> ok, it was 128 MB in 20 mins. :P <bal_> now it's installing <jmarsden> OK... so now reboot, and see if that helped all on its own. <bal_> just waiting for the install to complete <jmarsden> OK. <jmarsden> sudo shutdown -r now # to reboot when the updates are all done <bal_> I thought sudo reboot would do the job? <MrChrisDruif> sudo reboot? <MrChrisDruif> Not sudo reboot now? <MrChrisDruif> :P <bal_> does it instantly anyway <jmarsden> bal_: Oh, that should work fine too. I use shutdown -r now from habits that are decades old, and my approach works on *BSD machines as well as Linux. <bal_> ok, fair enough <MrChrisDruif> bal_: reboot needs a time thing added....otherwise it wouldn't work afaik <jmarsden> MrChrisDruif: man reboot <bal_> On mint at least, it works instantly without a timer <jmarsden> bal_: I think MrChrisDruif is confusing reboot and shutdown <bal_> Ok <MrChrisDruif> jmarsden: Maybe me too :D <jmarsden> I think, long long ago in the 1990s, under Linux 'reboot' would reboot your machine *instantly* without doing all the clean shutdown things... so it was a dangerous command. That got fixed, but by then I had learned not to use it :) <jmarsden> Anyway... bal_ did you reboot the machine yet, one way or the other? <bal_> still installing updates. :P <jmarsden> OK... what is this, a Pentium Pro at 66MHz? :) <bal_> a emily84@example.com, believe it or not. :P <jmarsden> Hmmm. I'd guess with a very slow hard drive? <bal_> probably <bal_> When doomsday cometh, fear not, for lubuntu will be updated! <MrChrisDruif> Awesome....an updated Lubuntu :D * jmarsden created a very updated one yesterday... it's called Alpha 3 :) <bal_> running depmod atm, is this a sign that it is close to completion? <jmarsden> You're talking about doomsday, and now want signs... ? :) <jmarsden> I think it is getting close, it means it installed a new kernel and it is doing the post-install stuff from that <MrChrisDruif> Alpha 3 already? =-O <jmarsden> MrChrisDruif: It was a day late! <jmarsden> MrChrisDruif: Sounds like you are behind on reading the lubuntu-desktop mailing list :) <MrChrisDruif> jmarsden: I haven't got in my agenda when all the alpha's etc should be out? <MrChrisDruif> jmarsden: Indeed O:-) <jmarsden> MrChrisDruif: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule <bal_> it's finally over, rebooting now <MrChrisDruif> jmarsden: Any google calenders for that? O:-) <jmarsden> MrChrisDruif: No idea... it's not my wiki page :) <MrChrisDruif> xD <bal_> aha, the menu entries have arrived. they apologise for their lack of punctuality <jmarsden> bal_: Good :) <MrChrisDruif> Awesome, apologizing menu entries :D <bal_> it all appears to be there <jmarsden> MrChrisDruif: I would prefer they just work ... hearing "I'm sorry, Jonathan, I can't do that" every time I click on a menu item might be a little worrying :) :) <bal_> thanks for your help and your time. :) <jmarsden> bal_: You're welcome <MrChrisDruif> jmarsden: +1 <mark76> Does anyone else find the minimise all windows lxpanel plugin pretty useless? <bal_> applying remaining updates via the update manager, will do it by cli next time, faster #lubuntu 2011-03-06 <gbear14275> any performance tweakers out there... I'm trying to get dvd playback on a 1999 tecra 8000 (PII 366Mhz, 256Mb RAM)... <MrChrisDruif> I'll ask here: Lubuntu 10.04 LTS? Where can I find it? Looks like this page is referring to the wrong iso (10.10) http://lubuntu.net/blog/lubuntu-1004-now-available-download <bioterror> http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/ <MrChrisDruif> Thanks bioterror :) <MrChrisDruif> I want to try it on my brothers laptop...XP doesn't run at all anymore afaik....and I don't want to help him update to the newer Lubuntu every 6 months :P <MrChrisDruif> Alright....in just 3 hours I'm good to go :P <leszek> hi <jarnos> leszek, hi <mark76> There's something weird going on with my sound #lubuntu 2011-03-07 <adarc> hey guys, im looking for a distro for old machines (internet kiosk), is "lubuntu" without all that ubuntu "bloat", or is it just ubuntu with lxde and chromium? <adarc> slow internet here, so im scared of downloading lubuntu for hours, and realise it's too slow ;) <MrChrisDruif> adarc: Lubuntu is Ubuntu, but Gnome replaced with LXDE <jmarsden> adarc: The memory footprint of Lubuntu is substantially lower than that of Ubuntu; my limited experience is that Lubuntu runs slowly in 128MB, OK in 256MB RAM, and runs nicely in 512MB. <emce_PL> hello - Ihave question - is there a light and fast app for TTF and OTF font preview? <head_victim> Abiword? <emce_PL> :) - yes ,very light and fast font viewer - but thanks <stelios> pws mporo na dw meso termila tous skirous diskous pou exw ? <IdleOne> !gr | stelios <ubot5> stelios: #ubuntu-gr ÎºÎ±Î¹ #kubuntu-gr Î³Î¹Î± ÎÎ»Î»Î·Î½ÎµÏ ÏÏÎ·ÏÏÎ­Ï / #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes <silverlightning> hi <tuhin> hi all, 1st time here <tuhin> how mcuh ram Lubuntu 10.10 uses right after boot to desktop? <tuhin> alphur: did we meet at Mint channel yesterday? <alphur> no <tuhin> alphur: u might be able to answer my question abt ram <alphur> i haven't used lubuntu before, sorry <tuhin> u r using Linux Mint ? <alphur> no #lubuntu 2011-03-08 <tuhin> how much ram Lubuntu 10.10 uses right after boot to desktop? <camilo2214> activar audio <camilo2214> helpme!!! audio in lubuntu <camilo2214> speak spanish and deuscht <camilo2214> joaomatias <camilo2214> !!!!!!!!!!! <Onyx47> hello guys, anyone here have tried running compiz with lubuntu on a eee pc? <MrChrisDruif> Not me, sorry Onyx47 :) <Onyx47> well, I'm giving it a go to see if I get better performance if I load off at least some work from CPU but the damned thing won't start, keeps complaining about unconfigured something or other for 32bit screen depth <MrChrisDruif> Well...I don't know... <speckmade> I could really use the information when aqualung was added - preferably a link to a webpage with that information. Was it default music player all the way since 8.10? <NRWlion> hey everybody <tuhin> this room is too quite <NRWlion> it definetly is ;) <tuhin> i thinl LXDE is better than XFCE <tuhin> think* <NRWlion> i had both installed on my machine but i finally stayed which LXDE <tuhin> i installed xfce but feel its overrated , lxde should get he limelight <tuhin> the* <leszek> hi <tuhin> hi leszek <tuhin> so , all here using lubuntu or some other version? <leszek> tuhin: I am the main dev for zevenos which is a ubuntu based distro & zevenos-neptune which is a debian based distro <leszek> so besides lubuntu I am also using both of them <tuhin> which is the 2nd? <tuhin> Lubuntu, Zevenos and <tuhin> Debian? <NRWlion> !pastebin <ubot5> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. <tuhin> ?? <leszek> tuhin: on this notebook here I have zevenos-neptune & zevenos + lubuntu <tuhin> whats the difference between the two? <leszek> tuhin: neptune is debian based and has kde4 as desktop zevenos is ubuntu based and xfce based (resembles the look of good old beos) <leszek> tuhin: you can find screenshots for both of them here: http://www.zevenos.com <tuhin> yes i was browsing that site <tuhin> why u choose xfce over LXDE for the os? <tuhin> lxde is easier to customize by users imho and looks almost same+ lxde is lighter <leszek> tuhin: back then when we decided to base our distro on xfce there was no lxde yet <tuhin> ok <speckmade> I could really use the information when aqualung was added - preferably a link to a webpage with that information. Was it default music player all the way since 8.10? <jmarsden|work> speckmade: You might consider searching the archive of the lubuntu-desktop mailing list for email related to aqualung, as one possible way to find out more about Lubuntu history. I am not sure how far back the archive goes, though. I suspect not as far as you need, unfortunately. <speckmade> nevertheless - thanks for the inspiration. I really didn't think of that yet... :-/ <Dekkard> super topic..just what I was looking for <MrChrisDruif> Dekkard: Good to hear :) <Dekkard> yeah.. i got a p111 800 i need light <MrChrisDruif> I don't even know what kind of hardware that is :) <Dekkard> o_0 <Dekkard> pentium3 <Dekkard> it runs on coal <MrChrisDruif> Ow...P3...alright... <MrChrisDruif> It should run Lubuntu/LXDE no prob afaik <Dekkard> ive used lxde for quite a while actually.. i just want to install a distro with out all the other cruft <MrChrisDruif> You might need to use the mini ISO thou...as the graphical installer needs more RAM etc. than the actual desktop....weird, I know...but true I'm afraid <_<" <Dekkard> i got half a gig of ram it should be okee <bioterror> graphical installer requires 192MB of RAM <bioterror> yes <bioterror> you're fine with that <Dekkard> yep thanks <Unit193> Dekkard: I'm running (well, walking) lubuntu on Celeron 500 & 512Ram (well, 509 because of shared video) <Dekkard> yeah?? how is it? <bioterror> Unit193, 500MHz must be newest from the 1st gen celerons, hard to over clock :D <Unit193> Midori with not very many tabs is ok, cli stuff works just fine! <bioterror> I remember people purchased around 1998 those 300MHz Celerons and took ~450MHz out of them <Dekkard> have you found midori to have problems with redirects? <Dekkard> well..gotta go do the install..cyas an d thanks <Unit193> model name : Celeron (Mendocino) <szczur> i have mendocino on one of my old PCs <bioterror> I had dual celeron 466MHz ;) <bioterror> Abit BP6 <bioterror> was the mobo <bioterror> my first dual, and after that I had no return to single socket computers <bioterror> but good night, I have to wake up to work <bioterror> ;) <Unit193> The main computer now doesn't even have dualcore <MrChrisDruif> That was a weird sentence bioterror :P <MrChrisDruif> Good night, you need to wake up for work? :P <silverlightning> hi <MrChrisDruif> Hai silverlightning :) <silverlightning> nice to see you Chris <silverlightning> I have just installed lubuntu on a very old laptop, and most things work <silverlightning> even chromium is pretty good <silverlightning> and bank <silverlightning> the l cashe is really tiny on this computer, but lubuntu seem to run fine <silverlightning> processor I mean <MrChrisDruif> Great going silverlightning :) <MrChrisDruif> I thought I recognized your nick from before :) <silverlightning> however there is no sound in youtube videos, but I dont know if I can ecspect that? <silverlightning> yes, I have been on here, but talking about a different computer <silverlightning> this old thing seems to run better weirdly enought <MrChrisDruif> Ahhh....didn't remember the laptop... <silverlightning> I put it aside, and it lives better with windows 7 <MrChrisDruif> But afaik flash sound *should* just work :) <silverlightning> It can be found in package manager ? #lubuntu 2011-03-09 <MrChrisDruif> silverlightning: What? (Btw, a meeting just started, so I might be slow to respond :) <silverlightning> its all right <MrChrisDruif> If you wanna see what's going on: #ubuntu-meeting <silverlightning> am I allowed ? <MrChrisDruif> Yes, you are allowed, might be just a good idea to just watch the first time....to get a sense of what's going on etc :) <Dekkard> dvd playback? <MrChrisDruif> Dekkard: Should be possible, tried the lubuntu-restricted-extras? <MrChrisDruif> I thought it should be available in synaptic <Dekkard> installing now.. but cant find a dvdcss package.. <Unit193> libdvdcss I don't think is in there.. <Dekkard> im lookin.. <Unit193> Dekkard: Mediubuntu has it <Dekkard> coo.. <MrChrisDruif> But otherwise libdvdcss indeed <MrChrisDruif> Isn't it in default repos, just libdvdcss... <Unit193> Dekkard: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, good one Unit193 :) <Dekkard> ok.. now its called libdvdread.. <MrChrisDruif> Good enough for me :P <MrChrisDruif> If you just search for dvd you'd probably also find it :) <Unit193> Dekkard: If that doesn't work, run: sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh <Dekkard> im coo with sudo bro <Dekkard> :) * Dekkard started with emily84@example.com.. <Dekkard> stuff just keeps changin <Dekkard> great vdpau error.. <MrChrisDruif> Warty....that's a while back..... <Dekkard> just a bit <MrChrisDruif> Wasn't it '06? <Dekkard> lol.. <szczur> Dekkard, in Gnome Mplayer go to Edit > Preferences <Dekkard> cant remember.. did slackware before that <szczur> on video ouput select gl or xv (check what will be fatser on your PC. i'm ok with xv) and the vdpau error will be gone <Dekkard> im getting a wierd error <Dekkard> failed to open vdpau backend <szczur> Dekkard, as i said, go to Edit > Preferences <Dekkard> where in the main menu? <Dekkard> or inmplayer <szczur> in mplayer <Dekkard> got it <Dekkard> thanks dood <Dekkard> chose xv <Dekkard> and alsa <szczur> just as i did on mine :) <Dekkard> hehe <Dekkard> watching farscape..peacekeeper wars <leszek> hi <silverlightning> hi <silverlightning> do anyone know what moonlight is? it's related to some kine of media palyer but I'm really not shore <MrChrisDruif> Hai silverlightning :) <silverlightning> Hi Mr.Chris <silverlightning> :- ) <MrChrisDruif> Moonlight, did you ever hear of Microsoft's Silverlight? <MrChrisDruif> silverlightning: ^ <silverlightning> yes I suppose so, but is it a plugin or a more of a independant player? <silverlightning> some new sites use silverlight <silverlightning> I am googeling it <MrChrisDruif> silverlightning: I don't know what it is exactly (it's like flash at least), but Moonlight is the opensource version of silverlight :) <MrChrisDruif> *It's a bit like flash at least* * MrChrisDruif thinks that Microsoft was jealous of flash ;) <silverlightning> could very well be <silverlightning> they want to own it all <MrChrisDruif> One of the reasons I REALLY don't like Microsoft :) <silverlightning> do you know all the differences when comparing lubuntu and ubuntu? <silverlightning> I mean, I am trying to stay fairly light running, and wonder which application are pretty heavy on the system, <silverlightning> I stay a way from totem on this tiny laptop, it eats 1GB RAM alone <silverlightning> many smaller applicatoins are gonome dependent I suspect <leszek> silverlightning: not necessarily <MrChrisDruif> Indeed... <MrChrisDruif> And sorry silverlightning; I don't know all the differences :) <MrChrisDruif> I know a few mayor ones: LXDE instead of Gnome, Gnumeric and AbiWord(?) instead of OpenOffice.org and no compiz of course :) <silverlightning> hi again <silverlightning> abi works fine I think <silverlightning> I haven't used it a lot yet <silverlightning> I have an issue with almost any non microsoft office stuff <silverlightning> they are all fine except for smaller signs like "" '' () [] which universities are really particular about when it comes to referanses and form <silverlightning> it's like it's all made for Microsoft Office <silverlightning> weird really <silverlightning> does anyone know the Gnome project well? <silverlightning> I'm down loading a move to check if VLC or gnome player works <silverlightning> I have no sound? <silverlightning> I know this laptop could play youtube videos and dvd's a few years a go <silverlightning> hi wolfpack <wolfpack> hi silverlightning <silverlightning> are you good with old computers and lubuntu ? <silverlightning> I am trying to make it play dvd's <leszek> silverlightning: whats the problem with the audio ? <silverlightning> no sound at all <silverlightning> it does play youtube videos, but no sound <silverlightning> and it will not play dvd <silverlightning> I am downloading a movie to see if it will play anything stored on the harddisk <leszek> silverlightning: have you tried executing the mixer and see if it is perhaps muted ? <szczur> silverlightning, for playing DVDs check this > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs <silverlightning> It's very newly installed lubuntu, and I installed all the updates and restricted packages this morning <silverlightning> no, a good idea <bioterror> for dvd you need medibuntu <bioterror> and libdvdcss2 <leszek> vlc includes libdvdcss I think <bioterror> or cat /dev/sr0 > image.iso and vlc :--) <silverlightning> I downloaded vlc, <bioterror> vlc doesnt play it? <silverlightning> no, unfortunately <bioterror> install libdvdcss2 <silverlightning> I might miss some packages ? <silverlightning> I will <silverlightning> I thought I installed moonlight too, but it never appeard anywhere? <leszek> and then check alsamixer to see if anything is muted there <bioterror> but read that szczur's pasted url <bioterror> hurrrggghhhh <bioterror> I rather not view pages with silverlight <leszek> moonlight is a plugin for firefox to playback silverlight <leszek> so it will only show up in firefox <leszek> as a plugin <bioterror> if someone decides to make broken webpages, they are now worth of displaying <silverlightning> oh I see, I though it might work with chromium? <silverlightning> so then I might have to get firefox or remove the packages <leszek> silverlightning: there is no moonlight plugin for chromium <silverlightning> firefox is very good that way, lots of stuff for it <leszek> in more details explained its not a simple plugin instead it is implemented as an firefox addon, therefore it cannot run elsewhere <silverlightning> I might have to go for firefox <leszek> silverlightning: you are surfing silverlight websites ? <silverlightning> there should be a way to make vlc work for anything in firefox too <leszek> silverlightning: there is an addon for it just search the mozilla addons page <silverlightning> I have had to use silverlight for news sites <leszek> congrats you are the first human I know who is surfing on sites which require silverlight ;) <silverlightning> I searched for libdvdcss2 in synaptic package manager, and only restricted extra packages show up <silverlightning> adn I have installed the lubuntu restricted extras <silverlightning> is chromium that much lighter than firefox? <leszek> chromium is faster then firefox 3.6 which ships currently with maverick <leszek> silverlightning: just look at the howto here you need libdvdread4 and you need to execute a script: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs <leszek> brb <silverlightning> thanks <silverlightning> brb <silverlightning> hi <silverlightning> again ;- ) <silverlightning> sound is working, movies play fine from torrent download <silverlightning> however, the DVD player resists <bioterror> REFUSE/RESIST <silverlightning> well, yes, it will not play <silverlightning> I can live with it, but I am still trying to make it work <silverlightning> hi again bioterror <silverlightning> I am on a tiny old laptop, it boots up fine in lubuntu, maybe I should just settle for this <silverlightning> network, java, flashplayer, vlc, gnome player, firefox is all fine <silverlightning> only thing is dvd <silverlightning> abi wordprocessor too, <silverlightning> abi is all fine I mean <MrChrisDruif> silverlightning: DVD playback is pretty CPU intensive afaik <silverlightning> that might be it, but this laptop came with DVD player originally, and used to work <silverlightning> yes, and processor is tiny 700MHz <silverlightning> still most thins run fine <silverlightning> this is and extra work station that shall live on a table, and I can't be afraid that somebody will snatch it <MrChrisDruif> I've got no experience at that nor in the mood to find out.... <MrChrisDruif> Some financial issues <_<" <silverlightning> I mean, it's not worth anything other than internet access and word processor access <bothamcity> Hi, all. Could someone point me in the right direction for changing keyboard shortcuts in Lubuntu? Specifically I want to make my Windows key open my Panel. <bothamcity> keyboard shortcuts, that is. Looks like my message was cut off <bonny> hello can someone help me with installing stuff on lubuntu <mark76> Use Synaptic <mark76> Lassis <mark76> Lassie <kavinsky> anyone got any ideas on why / how to fix partman failing with error 10 during lubuntu 10.10 install? <Dekkard> got multiple disks? <kavinsky> @dekkard no, just the one <meetingology> kavinsky: Error: "dekkard" is not a valid command. <kavinsky> Dekkard - No, though it *might* be trying to pick up the ubuntu partitions on the disk <kavinsky> umount can't remove them - insufficient memory #lubuntu 2011-03-10 <Neosano> Hello, arrrrghhh, where can I report goddamn bugs <Neosano> oh.. come on.. there's must be this LARGE button "REPORT A BUG" <Neosano> because If I wont find a place to report it I'll just let it be there.. <Neosano> there's a launchpad on Lubuntu and there's a bugs tab... <Neosano> but there are only 2 bugs submitted ? O_o <Neosano> seems like a dead thing for me.. <Neosano> ah.. fuck it.. <bonny> hello is anyone here <bonny> is anyone here <Unit193> bonny: Have a question? <bonny> yes the games i play n lubuntu keep repeating to the side <bonny> like a tesselation they repeat and i can barely see <Unit193> I don't think I understand... <bonny> ok im trying to play asssault cube and evertyhting is joined up in one place the words are joined to gether like some words are over the other <Unit193> Do you have the correct screen res in the settings? <bonny> wat should it be <bonny> 1280 x 1024 <bonny> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????/ <Unit193> If that's the res of the desktop <bonny> if thats the res of the desktop then wat is it good or bad <juanantonio3> Hello, I need a little help. Can lubuntu "remind" and reopen when turning on the programs I had when I switch the PC off? Thanks in advamce <juanantonio3> KDE, Gnome and Xfce can <juanantonio3> There someone? <bonny> hey no one here likes to answer ive been lookin for help too go to /join #ubuntu <sonicj> hi! im installing right now on a piii dinosaur and so far, im very impressed! <sonicj> i can't believe this 600mhz machine is running this good from a live cd & 640mb! <sonicj> keep up the great work! =D <head_victim> My laptop's power saving mode is 600mhz, it doesn't even kick up to the 1 or 1.2 ghz that is it's max much. <bioterror> MHz! <bioterror> these things are case sensitive ;) <Unit193> MhZ ;) <MrChrisDruif> mHz :P <head_victim> bioterror: it constantly confuses me so I don't capitalise unless I know I'm sure :/ <bioterror> GHz, MHz <head_victim> The whole mb and Mb and MB thing has destroyed me ever understanding these things. All I remember is the more that's capitalised the
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