#ubuntu-marketing 2006-08-01 <poningru> woo <poningru> good to be back <ormiret> poningru_: now there's two of you back! <poningru_> woo <poningru_> with our powers combined... <poningru_> err nm <adamant1988> we are captain.. WTF is that? <poningru_> captain planet?? <adamant1988> One ring to rule them all. <poningru_> hmm a captain planet/LOTR crossover <adamant1988> yeah, with a little clerks mixed in there <Burgundavia> whiprush: ping <adamant1988> hello all <whiprush> Burgundavia: pong <Burgundavia> whiprush: I am good to go for the gnome booth <whiprush> Burgundavia: got your message, I;m in the middle of moving is all and I'm laptop-only <whiprush> suh-weet. <Burgundavia> whiprush: I will be there just after 10am on Tuesday <Burgundavia> however, if you need help with the GNOME booth, my company president said he could help <Burgundavia> I will be bringing a laptop and an extra monitor, to showcase DiscoverStation <Burgundavia> whiprush: can you call my work number tomorrow and chat for a bit? <whiprush> yep <whiprush> we need to locate some LCD panels. <Burgundavia> whiprush: 10866-873-9008 <Burgundavia> whiprush: how many do you need? <whiprush> sec, let me tomboy that <whiprush> 2 <Burgundavia> I can bring those <whiprush> LTSP is getting us two terminals <whiprush> !!! <whiprush> awesome! <Burgundavia> I will effectively no checkon, so I can carry a few things <whiprush> sweet <Burgundavia> whiprush: I work 11-7 your time <Burgundavia> assuming you are in detroit right now <whiprush> yeah <whiprush> only reason I'm awake is the damn heat. :-/ <Burgundavia> whiprush: indeed. You on gnome-marketing? <whiprush> Burgundavia: yeah, read it, will reply in the morning <Burgundavia> whiprush: perfect, nothing major <whiprush> the only thing I am unsure of is where to pick up these "gnome box" <whiprush> the booth stuff <whiprush> I guess the foundation just ships it out there <Burgundavia> likely. I didn't know there was a US box <whiprush> It's new <Burgundavia> ah, shiny <Burgundavia> are we the first to use it? <whiprush> i believe so <Burgundavia> night <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: Nice work on kicking off the research wiki page. Just making my contribution to it now. <elkbuntu> :) <elkbuntu> matthewrevell, bimberi and others have made contribution to it already <MenZa> Research? <MenZa> Link, elkbuntu <elkbuntu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/SurveyQuestionIdeas <MenZa> Man <MenZa> This track is so awesome and addictive <MenZa> :> <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: cool <mdke> hi there matthewrevell <matthewrevell> mdke: howdy <matthewrevell> mdke: Have you seen my fridge-devel reply? <mdke> no, I set vacation on that mailing list, lemme check <matthewrevell> mdke: you on hol? <mdke> no, I just don't like getting email <mdke> :) <mdke> i read all the other mailing lists in a newsreader <matthewrevell> aha :) <mdke> matthewrevell: sounds perfectly reasonable, yes <elkbuntu> mdke, what is your take on the wiki page we were discussing? <mdke> elkbuntu: I'm afraid I haven't read it yet * elkbuntu sits down to stare at mdke until he's read it. <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: Today's pretty busy for me,but I hope to get some work done on it this evening (UK time - i.e. around eight hours from now) <elkbuntu> matthewrevell, sure * mdke returns elkbuntu's gaze placidly <elkbuntu> mdke, dont make me bring out the whip of slavery :P <mdke> elkbuntu: looks like a good initiative to me <elkbuntu> :) <elkbuntu> wb bimberi <bimberi> heya elkbuntu <MenZa> elkbuntu, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcKOQrz19Yg <MenZa> : <MenZa> :D <mdke> ls <mdke> whoops, sorry <MenZa> :D <MenZa> irssi? <mdke> I just confused irc with a terminal, intended to do a /who <MenZa> :D * ompaul pours mdke a cup of tea, to get over the shock :) <MenZa> Everyone knows coffee > tea * matthewrevell heart sinks at reading ML <mdke> hmm? <matthewrevell> mdke: Probably shouldn't have press return on that line. <matthewrevell> :) <matthewrevell> Sorry, just wonder if some people read the ML before they post. <mdke> it's tricky to read it all :D <mdke> anything in particular? <adamant1988> hello all #ubuntu-marketing 2006-08-02 <bimberi> Hm, there has been some discussion about the Marketing Team's purpose. Probably not for the first time I'll wager. Mailing List discussion doesn't seem to work for it (to me anyway). Perhaps a /Purpose wikipage to workshop and discuss it. Thoughts? <Burgundavia> bimberi: I don't the purpose is what we are lacking. I think we are lacking concrete projects <Burgundavia> I don' think, rather <bimberi> Burgundavia: others say we are lacking data - so the purpose, initially, should be to collect that <Burgundavia> data is hard to collect <Burgundavia> not saying we shouldn't, but there are clear things we can do <bimberi> clear? <Burgundavia> for the corporate/institutional side, create case studies and similar content <Burgundavia> for the home user, expand our network of non-tech reporters and court them <bimberi> yep, collect data on them ;) <Burgundavia> different kind of data <bimberi> yes, ok, data collection in parallel then <Burgundavia> I still just don't see the data for data collection <Burgundavia> the ROI is just too low <bimberi> ? <Burgundavia> the amount of time you would spend on it, vs what you get from it just isn't worth it <Burgundavia> better to spend that time on what I mentioned above <bimberi> the first step to marketing is Understanding though <Burgundavia> we *know* those are areas where we are weak <bimberi> yes, but are they effective marketing tools <bimberi> ? <Burgundavia> yes <Burgundavia> large organizations demand case studies <Burgundavia> and home users need to simply know about us <bimberi> ok, we should do them then <bimberi> we need to know what home users want though <Burgundavia> we already know that <bimberi> where? <bimberi> i think i know btw <Burgundavia> home users want a toaster <bimberi> please... <Burgundavia> they want something that does what they want and doesn't have the issues their curent machine has <Burgundavia> an appliance, not a computer <bimberi> yes, but with what features to differentiate from the other toasters <Burgundavia> home users don't want "features" <Burgundavia> they are sick of "features" <bimberi> benefits then <Burgundavia> sorry, hit ctrl-w <bimberi> ah :) <Burgundavia> watch your parents for about half an hour and what will tell you what 50% of home users want <Burgundavia> what I am saying is that finding out data is not hard and we already have most of it <Burgundavia> I just don't think we realize it <Burgundavia> I will write an email tonight about it <bimberi> ok <bimberi> features isn't the right word btw. products are different and it is in the differences that they compete <bimberi> so it is the differences that home users want and value that we must find and emphasise (if we have them) <bimberi> i think lots of them are obvious - annoyances regarding viruses/spyware is a big one <bimberi> but there might be others we (as the apparently more computer literate) don't realise <matthewrevell> morning <matthewrevell> I've just changed Launchpad team memberships to never expire. <mdke> (evil laugh) <elkbuntu> w00t <matthewrevell> It didn't serve any purpose, that I could see, to automatically expire people's memberships after 30 days. <elkbuntu> matthewrevell, i agree <matthewrevell> darkmatter_: Connection problems? :) <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: cool :) <darkmatter_> nope... dbus problems... think they're mostly fixed now <matthewrevell> What can Launchpad team admins do that members can't? <matthewrevell> Apart from changing the team description, member status etc * mdke points matthewrevell towards #launchpad <matthewrevell> mdke: Didn't want to ask such a basic question in there. <matthewrevell> I'm just thinking of how to reply to Sladen's suggestion that I make Vid an admin so she can sort people's membership expiry <matthewrevell> I'm not against doing that, just want to know the full implications <adamant1988> Hey all <adamant1988> Guess what, I am getting 100 Ubuntu disks in the mail :) <matthewrevell> Cool, what do you plan to do with them? <mdke> matthewrevell: maybe assign bug contacts and similar tasks, not sure <mdke> asking in #launchpad would be justified i think <matthewrevell> mdke: righto, cheers. <adamant1988> matthewrevell: you remember the local shop I was telling you about <adamant1988> I'm going to distribute them there.... I'm working with a local printer to get small documentation to hand out with each disk. #ubuntu-marketing 2006-08-03 <rjian> Hello pepol <ormiret> hi <rjian> hello people <ormiret> hello again <mdke> hello again <mdke> :) <rjian> :) <rjian> i got dc <rjian> hehe <elkbuntu> kgoetz, where are you? tafe or home? <kgoetz> elkbuntu: at the hut <kgoetz> elkbuntu: whys you ask? :) <rjian> lols * kgoetz slaps rjian about a bit weeeeeeeeeeeeeeethhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh <kgoetz> a herring! <matthewrevell> mdke: Thanks for fixing my wiki page <mdke> ;) <matthewrevell> Hey guys - got any ideas for Fridge stories? <elkbuntu> matthewrevell, did you end up composing one about the counter at all? <matthewrevell> Not yet, thanks for reminding me :) <elkbuntu> dont forget to send me a draft first ;) <matthewrevell> What do you think I'm gonna write?! <matthewrevell> :) <elkbuntu> nothing bad, i just wanna be able to clarify poitns and make sure you dont miss anything :) <matthewrevell> We're keen on getting other people involved. <matthewrevell> Hang on <matthewrevell> I'll get you a wiki URL <matthewrevell> and you can write the story as you'd like to see it <elkbuntu> matthewrevell, also, did you end up getting a graph depicting the security response ratings? <matthewrevell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/2006-08-03-ubuntu-counter <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: Yeah, got one from the guys at Canonical, as they'd produced one. Thanks. <elkbuntu> it's easy to produce them in calc <elkbuntu> but im sure they had some fandangled prog that did uber fancy ones <matthewrevell> Yeah, I threw it open to see if I could get some of the guys in the -marketing team to get involved in the Fridge <elkbuntu> i was considering putting up my hand, but im worried of jumping into too much too quick, for both my and other people's liking <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: Please feel free to jump in! <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: The Ubuntu counter story seems like the perfect place to start :) <elkbuntu> matthewrevell, im not all great at pimping my own stuff though :P its hard to be unbiased <matthewrevell> Cool, no worries. Is the main point of the counter just a bit of fun, then? <matthewrevell> I'm trying to think of how to start the article <elkbuntu> i've started it, dont worry <elkbuntu> its just.. taking a while <matthewrevell> No worries, the other guys can always help out if you need it. Just holler :) <elkbuntu> yep <matthewrevell> Right, off home. <gaz00> you guys saw the billboard, right? <mdke> yes <mdke> very cool <mdke> http://doc.ubuntu.com/~matt/billboard.jpg <Kamping_Kaiser> nice <gaz00> wonder who funded that <mdke> the same people who fund Ubuntu <MenZa> <3 Mark <MenZa> holy <MenZa> nice billboard * MenZa bows down and worships <MenZa> but... no URL :( <gaz00> it's just branding.... gets the word out there! <mdke> it seems to be targetted at people who know what "linux" means. So presumably, they also know how to use google <elkbuntu> somehow, i cant even load up the url... <MenZa> elkbuntu, thepiccie? <elkbuntu> yeah <MenZa> awaw :( <gaz00> that's odd - i can see it <gaz00> try here: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/08/03/first-ubuntu-billboard-spotted/ <elkbuntu> nice <MenZa> I do stuff like that at work :) * MenZa helped do a 7x2m sign for a bank yesterday <elkbuntu> oh, btw, comments/edits welcome --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/2006-08-03-ubuntu-counter?action=show <adamant1988> hi all <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: Hey Melissa, I'll get you counter story online tomorrow <matthewrevell> (My tomorrow, probably the same day for you) #ubuntu-marketing 2006-08-04 <matthewrevell> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/480 <elkbuntu> what happened to the counter story, matthewrevell? :P <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: Haven't had time so far, I'm afraid :( I've got at least one other to put on there first <matthewrevell> Will try to get it on today <elkbuntu> ok. wasnt rushing you, just curious <matthewrevell> Yeah, no probs! :) <heno> Is the newsletter being updated these days? <heno> if so I should add a dev meeting entry <matthewrevell> heno: hey <matthewrevell> heno: UWN? <heno> yes <heno> I see you've edited it a bit <matthewrevell> Yeah, tbh I'm not sure what the procedure is with UWN. It's been a couple of weeks since the last one. <matthewrevell> I could give Matt Galvin a prod. <matthewrevell> mdke may know more, though, as it grew out of the docs team <heno> matthewrevell: I guess it's inevitable that some weeks will laps. Perhaps there should be some standard procedure for recovering from that <heno> just to get back on track again <heno> it's a bit confusing the way it is now in limbo <matthewrevell> Yes <matthewrevell> I can't see anything on the wiki that describes an editorial process <matthewrevell> I assume they wait until it's ready. <matthewrevell> nixternal: ping <matthewrevell> heno: I've mailed Matt Galvin and I'll try to catch nixternal if he's on irc later, as he sent out the last one. <heno> matthewrevell: cool, thanks <matthewrevell> np :) <whiprush> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Linux_Conference_for_Human_Beings <whiprush> If anyone could lend us some diggs, that would be great. :D <mdke> hmmm? <mdke> ah #ubuntu-marketing 2006-08-05 <johnlittle> I can Digg it <johnlittle> anyone awake in here? <MenZa> No. <MenZa> I'm asleep. <johnlittle> :) <johnlittle> I'm playing around with a video portal concept if anyone wants to check it out - http://www.ubuntuvideo.com <johnlittle> It's quiet in here <RichJ> that it is <johnlittle> Did you catch my email about video? <RichJ> briefly <RichJ> i am upstairs lying in my bed on the lappy...i am working on a lecture due tomorrow <KenSentMe> good morning everyone <MenZa> hai. <johnlittle> Can you digg it: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Video_Share_Your_Ubuntu_With_The_World <KenSentMe> johnlittle: is that your site? <johnlittle> yeah <johnlittle> Just something i threw together to test out some video marketing ideas <KenSentMe> looks nice <KenSentMe> your videos too? <johnlittle> Thanks..none of the videos are mine <KenSentMe> ah k <johnlittle> They've been collected from YouTube and Google #ubuntu-marketing 2006-08-06 <johnlittle> yo <nixternal> hey johnlittle <johnlittle> thanks for the digg <nixternal> i really enjoy the blog page you did with the video stuff...excellent! <nixternal> no problem, it was well worth it <johnlittle> Thanks..wish I had time to do more..but it's a start <nixternal> ya, but a darn good start! <johnlittle> I hope it inspires a few people to make more videos <nixternal> hopefully it will, and maybe some pimpage on the fridge if possible <johnlittle> Ohh pimpage is good. That reminds me. I need to link the fridge <nixternal> i can see the potential for http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/ to get absorbed somehow into the community...as it is good stuff <johnlittle> I'm open to that. Whatever works. I'd really like to see some create a series of official videos. I think that should be part of the marketing effort. <johnlittle> see some = see someone <Burgundavia> whiprush: you around? <johnlittle> I linked your blog as well nix. Feel free to suggest good ubuntu blogs of links for the site. I can add more. <nixternal> anybody on planet.ubuntu.com, universe,kubuntu.de and such..there are some good blogs there <johnlittle> Yeah I'll have to surf around. I;m reading Planet Ubuntu now <Burgundavia> johnlittle: there is a great deal of interest in video creation <Burgundavia> there was a comment on -ca over the last few days <johnlittle> That's good to hear. I've been pushing ubuntu on my political blog for quite some time (most of my readers dont care but..) and it's the videos that finally got some of them to switch, <johnlittle> Just talking about linux is too abstract for most people...videos cut through a lot of that <johnlittle> Very cool idea: http://moosy.blogspot.com/2005/05/powered-by-suse-linux-hot.html <johnlittle> Probably not worth spending money on (unless you're novell) but cool <nixternal> heh, that is cool <Burgundavia> I believe jenda did some stickers <nixternal> ya, but those are to replace the "Made for Windows XP" or whatever stickers <nixternal> give me a bunch of those, and i will have fun at CompUSA ;) <johnlittle> lol <nixternal> i already replaced the default home pages on the "CompUSA" network in Schaumburg Illinois to point at http://www.ubuntu.com <nixternal> it has been their default page now for almost 2 or 3 weeks <johnlittle> They probably don't now how to change it back <johnlittle> know <nixternal> thats what they get for allowing me access to their super secure Microsoft AD with Group Policies that don't work <nixternal> they work now however, cuz i fixed it...as a customer ;) <johnlittle> Bill them <nixternal> lol, i should <nixternal> however, i don't think my access was legal truthfully <Burgundavia> almost certainly not <nixternal> i didn't do acolon@example.com made their policy work <Burgundavia> regardless, courts have generally not been favourable to those who do stupid stuff, even if it wasn't malicious <rjian> Hello people <johnlittle> hiya <nixternal> thats the truth ;) <Burgundavia> where is jenda again? <nixternal> i used to work for CompUSA as Tech VP a few years back...they could care less as it is..as they are slowly sinking away <rjian> hello Burgundavia <Burgundavia> nixternal: as in Technical Vice President? <nixternal> jenda is on a sabatical i think...he is out of town work related <nixternal> something similar yes Burgundavia...actually it is the Technical Department Vice Prez <nixternal> i had the midwest operations <nixternal> my business card says... <nixternal> Richard A. Johnson <nixternal> Midwest Operations <rjian> Hello Nixternal <nixternal> Technical Division, Vice President <nixternal> hi rjian <nixternal> that was a cool job <johnlittle> Get it baxk so you can secretly install ubuntu on all outgoing pcs <rjian> Nixternal: ur a Yechinical Division Vice President? <nixternal> i was <nixternal> now im a Ubuntu Hippy ;) <rjian> Nixternal: hmm really im also a beginners user on ubuntu <nixternal> funny thing i noticed though..is i left there in 2003/2004...and i don't see Linux at all on their shelves anymore <johnlittle> lol i mentioned ubuntu a couple of weeks ago and a guy called me a hippy <johnlittle> No linux at best buy either <nixternal> however, there are pics from Ubuntu Chicago placing Ubuntu CDs next to the MS Windows OS boxes on various store shelves <nixternal> we got Circuit City, Best Buy, CompUSA, and some other small shops <nixternal> Fry's sells Linspire at least <johnlittle> What we need is a CD in a plastic sleeve with a peel and stick backing..so people can attach them to magazine covers at barnes and noble <nixternal> people loved it that worked there, and promised to hand out Ubuntu CDs for us to customers <Burgundavia> johnlittle: that might be construed as vandalism <nixternal> actually, that is a job of the marketing team, as Ubuntu Australia LoCo has already been getting CDs added to magazines <johnlittle> Yeah..to clarify I was joking <nixternal> all the team has to do is email the magazine with info on downloading the cd, and getting the magazine interested in it <nixternal> ya Burgundavia is right there...we made sure it was alright for management that we did that <nixternal> Best Buy was the only place that wouldn't allow the CDs to stay, but didn't mind us taking pictures, as long as you couldn't tell it was Best Buy <nixternal> we did label the "GeekSquad" car with stickers though ;) <nixternal> that was deserving, i don't care who says it was wrong ;) <nixternal> so if you are in the Naperville, IL area and see a Geek Squad beetle, look on the back licence plate cover for the Ubuntu sticker <johnlittle> lol <nixternal> out little stunts however got over 100 people at the last Linux Install Fest at the College of DuPage this week <johnlittle> thats the thing about stickers...never know where they'll wind up <nixternal> s/out/our <johnlittle> thats an impressive turnout <nixternal> heh, you know how bands put their stickers on the taco bell, mcdonalds and what not drive through speakers? <nixternal> we did that as well <nixternal> ya it is impressive, considering there is usually 10 to 20 people at most ever show up <nixternal> I gave away a total of 120 CDs i think <johnlittle> any women show uo? <johnlittle> up <nixternal> actually, we had about 15 women total <nixternal> 3 or 4 were professors iirc <johnlittle> thats better than none <nixternal> ya, i actually found out via my x-wife about chicago having a "Linux Chix" club <nixternal> my x is in Linux Chix Washington, DC <nixternal> or is a Linux Chix <nixternal> i can't remember how that goes exactly <johnlittle> I think it'd be really cool to have a linux video series with a young female hostess...the typical linux is supposed to be the comic book guy fromt he simpsons <johnlittle> typical linux user <nixternal> hehe <nixternal> time for some Ice Cream!!! <nixternal> bbiaf <johnlittle> ubuntu has already made progress in addressing all the stereotypes <johnlittle> enjoy <johnlittle> Nice to see Ubuntu World leading the fridge poll <johnlittle> Does anyone know how the Ubuntu magazine will be produced - funded - dsitributed? I haven't seen much on the mechanics <johnlittle> Distributed <Burgundavia> no, nothing <Burgundavia> there isn't even any content <johnlittle> Producing a magaine..and getting it into stores..is costly and difficult <rjian> Burgundavia: Im planning to have a publication on our organization on school maybe ill be putting also there some Ubuntu News or something... hehe <johnlittle> man..i can't type tonight <Burgundavia> rjian: if you have anything, the fridge is always a good place as well <nixternal> interesting..jdub is doin' the moin thing <Burgundavia> nixternal: moin thing? <nixternal> #moin <nixternal> didn't see him join anywhere else <nixternal> actually..i haven't seen him online in a while <Burgundavia> nixternal: he is blinking in an out on #gnome-hackers and -devel as well <nixternal> figures gnome-hackers ;) <johnlittle> You got me thinking about icecream now nix <nixternal> it was good <johnlittle> Time to hit the coffee shop down the street for some pistachio ice cream <nixternal> ooh..i love pistachio ice cream <johnlittle> it's pretty tasty :) <johnlittle> I'm reading the Ubuntu Magazine charter - is it purely an online initiative? <johnlittle> I was thinking print but it appears to be a website <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue8 <johnlittle> The Xubuntu artwork for edgy is looking sweet <johnlittle> nice job on the newsletter <nixternal> thank you, and thanks big time to Burgundavia and Jonathan Riddell!!! <johnlittle> I tweaked the "get Ubuntu" page to include some of those links <johnlittle> http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/get-ubuntu/ <johnlittle> ahh think I will add planet ubuntu to the community links <rjian> wats the site about? <johnlittle> the one I linked? <rjian> yup <johnlittle> Ubuntu Video is a portal that collects interesting (I hope) ubuntu user videos <johnlittle> tutorials, demos, and stuff <rjian> wow nice design <rjian> ehhe <rjian> u make it? <johnlittle> Yeah - can't take much credit for the design - its a tweaked wordpress blog template <rjian> ah.. ok a blog templates hmm nice one <johnlittle> Only a few hours worth of design and code changes..pretty minor <rjian> yeah i also match the ubuntu site <rjian> :) <johnlittle> on your blog? <rjian> i mean ur blog also match on ubuntu website <johnlittle> I originally wanted to match it completely but figured that would probably make someone unhappy and I didn't want people to mistake it for something official <rjian> buts its a nice attractive website or a blog u have <Burgundavia> johnlittle: are you doing help videos? <johnlittle> rijan: thanks <johnlittle> Burgundavia" producing them myself? No. I going to stick to encouraging others to make them., <nixternal> lol <Burgundavia> johnlittle: can you join #ubuntu-doc? <johnlittle> I can manage Ubuntu Video pretty easily but I'm not a video wiz and have a ton of other projects working right now. <johnlittle> I'm there <rjian> Burgundavia: can i also join? <Burgundavia> rjian: of course. all channels are open <johnlittle> wb <rjian> hello johnlittle <elkbuntu> who killed teh wiki? <johnlittle> Wiki si working <johnlittle> is <nixternal_> not any more ;) <adamant1988> hey all <johnlittle> Hi <adamant1988> sorry I haven't been about much guys, I've been pretty busy with work and all <johnlittle> I think everyone struggles with that <johnlittle> phone..bbiaf <elkbuntu> ompaul, ping <ompaul> morning <elkbuntu> you think i should create MarketingTeam/Research on the wiki and move the survey scope to that page, so research in general has a hub? <elkbuntu> s/to that page/to be under that page/ <ompaul> I have a huge issue with market research - it is supposed to define a product <ompaul> we have a product - it is shiney <ompaul> we need marketing materials - stuff that informs people about what we have <ompaul> we have a wiget in search of a market <elkbuntu> we need to know what the marketing tool should pimp most <ompaul> now elkbuntu if you were beside me I would pour you a cup of tea - that is brilliant * ompaul notes my life is defined by meeting people and drinking tea atm <elkbuntu> hehe <ompaul> that would be what I would call an end game <ompaul> in saying that, reading that comment last evening on the mailing list <elkbuntu> thats one of the priorities of the surveys though, finding what bits we should put under neon lights, as well as gather data that could be useful to not only us, other teams as well * elkbuntu pouts <ompaul> sorry but as you know someone here is getting on a plane soon last minute - please do jobs list - <ompaul> :-) <ompaul> the comment about get it through on the third attempt <ompaul> it is placing ubuntu in that space that will make the difference :) <ompaul> anyway I must be off <elkbuntu> ok, have fun wherever you're going <johnlittle> back..sorta <ompaul> traffic light, rain light, petrol up two cent on Friday * ompaul thinks he should have the revenue commissioners arrested for extorting so much money from fuel in this country :-) <ompaul> 1.219 euros per litre <ompaul> enough already :) * ompaul wanders back to -offtopic (wrong channel ;-)) <Ckenyo1> Afternoon all <johnlittle> morning <adamant1988> hello everyone <johnlittle> Hi <troy_s> do you guys have any pamplets in the work? <troy_s> s/work/works <adamant1988> we could... I've ben so absorbed with my own pet projects lately that I haven't been doing much for the whole team <troy_s> has there been any development discussed on the list / group? <adamant1988> I haven't checked <adamant1988> I can look <adamant1988> I'm looking for pamphlet info? <troy_s> what i was looking for was some discussion on a cheap marketing brocure <troy_s> mainly focusing on what ubuntu can do out of the box <troy_s> as compared to commercial operating systems. <troy_s> brief -- easily scannable -- flashy looking brochure <troy_s> something that could be folded or used as a free take home sheet on a counter <adamant1988> I have determined through my own experience that pushing Ubuntu is requiring pushing ogg so that people see less out of the box incompatibility... <troy_s> next to a pile of disks... <adamant1988> If there's not one, do you know where I can get pamphlet templates for OOo <troy_s> not so much pushing ogg, but perhaps something like 'archive your entire music cd into lossless form' etc. <troy_s> no idea. <troy_s> full featured word processing, spreadsheet, etc. <troy_s> it would be lovely if we had something like that. <adamant1988> yeah, and that's followed by the end user going 'huh?' <adamant1988> that might do well for an enthusiast, but I didn't have a clue or care what lossless formats were before Linux. <adamant1988> most people I've talked to are the same <adamant1988> right now I have a decent little setup here. I'm doing Ubuntu hardware tests and installations for $5 ($3.00 is for the Ubuntu disk that I give them, I donate it). <adamant1988> I also make sure they know that for a little over $10 a month they can get full call-center support for Ubuntu. and I direct them on how to sign up for that <troy_s> um... hardly. <troy_s> creating a music library is the feature. <troy_s> and about 99% of the folks with a computer know that... etc <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing <adamant1988> then that 1 last percent is mighty big. People I talk to know how to create a music library, but they don't care about the format that much... as long as it works on their mp3 players. <troy_s> basically, all of the things one can do with a default installed ubuntu box without any further addition. <nixternal> pamphlets, flyers you name it there <adamant1988> so nixternal... how are you? <nixternal> busy ;) <adamant1988> things are coming to fruit here... I've done 10 installations in the last week :) <nixternal> nice <adamant1988> I haven't even set up the floor space, this is grass roots advertising right here. <troy_s> adamant1988: done about 100 installs here. it is pretty easy amongst peers if you refuse to support ms/apple. <nixternal> i have done a couple of lectures in the past week or 2, gave a class yesterday on Konversation, giving a class tonight on the same thing as well <troy_s> they tend to go to the easiest support class :) <adamant1988> oh yeah? <nixternal> working on "Switching from Windows" guide, forums to wiki stuff, documentation stuff, I am somewhat in charge of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, doing the Fridge now <adamant1988> I'm doing the tell your friends reward system <nixternal> it is getting hectic <nixternal> plus doing Edgy Eft Knot Release reports right now for Kubuntu ;) <adamant1988> Basically I'm saving up the money from what they give me and I'm saying "I'll help pay the cost of your commercial support $5 for every person who tells me you helped them switch" <nixternal> have you seen the billboard yet? <adamant1988> It's not a huge chunk but so far it's working enough <adamant1988> No, but Elkins needs one of those :P <nixternal> im working on bartering with the sign company here in Chicago for 5 billboards <nixternal> One will be Ubuntu in general, and then the other 4 will be... 1 for Ubuntu, 1 for Kubuntu, 1 for Edubuntu, and 1 for Xubuntu <nixternal> for 1 month they quoted me $15,000 <nixternal> i figure i charge them $150/hour for "service/consulting" i can give them a 100 or so hours <nixternal> for $100,000 he would give me 5 billboards back to back for 1 month at the 4 major entrances into chicago <nixternal> that is a little steep ;) <adamant1988> billboards are expensive... <adamant1988> my methods seem to be working, everyone *wants* commercial support and they'll take any discounts they can get. <johnlittle> any thoughts about letting ubuntu users hit a paypal button and contribute to a marketing fund? <nixternal> can't do that <adamant1988> I think the goal is to be 0 cost, so can't be done <nixternal> you can contribute to the Ubuntu foundation though ;) <nixternal> i will barter 100 hours of my time easily for 5 billboards! <johnlittle> Thats a good deal <nixternal> you best believe my contact info will be on the bottom of that sign as well ;) <adamant1988> yeah if you can get $150 hr/ where you live <nixternal> i have charged more then $200/hr in the past <adamant1988> if you can do that I wouldn't stop after the the billboards are payed off <adamant1988> I would kill to make that much 0_0 <nixternal> most consultants tend to charge between $250 and $500 an hour now a days <adamant1988> how did you get to be a 'consultant'? <nixternal> i made myself one ;) <adamant1988> lol, did that require any certifications? <johnlittle> Same here..once you establish contacts it gets easier. <nixternal> anyone can be a consultant, as they are as useless as salesman..however consultant sounds better to most suits <nixternal> i have certifications, and all my clients know about them. they know about my degree(s) as well...but that has nothing to do with being a consultant <adamant1988> uh huh <nixternal> just a proven track record really <adamant1988> Well, so you 'sell' people what? ubuntu? <johnlittle> Yep..never had a client ask about qualifications. Their usually familiar with y work in other ways. <nixternal> i sell them my services...networking/systems admin, network design/implementation and such <adamant1988> Aha. That's what I was trying to get at <nixternal> mostly deal with Cisco and Foundry products, and i do various server installs, i try to promote nokia/checkpoint packages for firewalls and such <adamant1988> I'm not much for doing the actual building of things, but I love to design lol. <nixternal> and i also sell services i could never provide myself, however i have friends in low places; ) <adamant1988> uh huh. <johnlittle> I used to do quite a bit of tech consulting but now it's almost all marketing - much easier :) <adamant1988> Well, I'm more of a marketing, management, and accounting person. <nixternal> i can't do web pages and graphics, but i know people who can...if possible i will charge about $100/hr for those services, and split 50/50 with the person doing the work, or will even do 75 them/25 me if it is big work <johnlittle> My accounting skills are limited to calling customers and saying "Send that check yet?" <nixternal> rofl <adamant1988> Lol, I got called a software uber-capitalist last night. <nixternal> i got called an idiot, does that count? <adamant1988> mines just as bad :P <adamant1988> Is it wrong to think people should be paying each other for things? <johnlittle> my first comment on ubuntuvideo just came in...slapping me around for using flash..i guess I shoud have expected that <nixternal> if a client purchases hardware/software through me, they get pretty close to free support <adamant1988> if a product or service is provided that meets a need, then obviously there will need to be payment to cover expenses and make a profit =\ <nixternal> ya johnlittle, i thought we slapped you around a little last night for the flash stuff ;) <johnlittle> not much i can do about it..go slap google and youtube :p <nixternal> hehe <nixternal> johnlittle: your little plan here, could lead to a "Google" or "youTube" clone, but for LINUX!!! <nixternal> making you a millionaire! <nixternal> lol <adamant1988> I think Ubuntu is heading the direction of CNR with it's commercial REPO.... I'm excited <nixternal> no flash, all FOSS/FLOSS...using like OGG and what not <johnlittle> An open source clone would be sweet <adamant1988> "if you build it, they will come" <nixternal> yup <nixternal> OpenTV <nixternal> there you go, get to work! <johnlittle> im the discussion sparker - you can be the do-er :) <adamant1988> Open source TV, so your kids can see violence AND get the source code for it :P <johnlittle> lol <nixternal> i cna't do no more currently, my plate is full <nixternal> haha adamant1988 <johnlittle> yeah same boat - day job, clients, and my other projects <adamant1988> I'm pretty busy with my home grown projects <adamant1988> I have 100 Ubuntu CDs coming in the mail... <adamant1988> I also have a fedora disk coming, because I support red-hat even though they abandoned us desktop users <nixternal> heh, i have more coming i hope <nixternal> im almost out <nixternal> 1000 cds in less then 2 weeks <johnlittle> damn dude <nixternal> i am slowly getting emails in from people i have given them too <johnlittle> you are worse than aol <nixternal> lol <adamant1988> I wouldn't know what to do with that many disk... that is 1/9th of my towns population lol <nixternal> i am the aol of ubuntu right now <nixternal> CompUSA put an Ubuntu Display at their registers for me in Schaumburg, IL <johnlittle> nice <adamant1988> I'm talking to the local wal-mart to offer users an Ubuntu disk when they buy a PC <nixternal> the crappy part though, is that they said I couldn't attach a business card to them <adamant1988> since they refused to get linux ready computers <johnlittle> too bad there are hardly an independent pc shops anymore...those would be great targets <johnlittle> an=any <adamant1988> yeah it was pretty funny <nixternal> shower time! <adamant1988> some friends and I had the majority of Wal-Mart managment talking to us <adamant1988> We went in and were like "We need to buy 6 of this (most expensive computer model)" for a demo center and wifi-cafe we're setting up <adamant1988> But we don't want windows on them, we don't want to be charged for something we're not going to use <adamant1988> So the electronics person was dumbfounded. called in a CSO and wash-rinse-repeat... by the time we were done we actually had the manager of wal-mart talking to us <adamant1988> they didn't give us the computers with windows removed, and they said there weren't any linux-preinstalled models available for them to put in the store right at the moment. But there weren't happy about losing out on a 6,000+ dollar sale lol. <johnlittle> Interesting 42% of visitors to Ubuntu Video are running XP <adamant1988> ubuntu is getting to the point that it is synonymous with linux. <adamant1988> there is an interest in it <johnlittle> http://www.google.com/trends?q=ubuntu%2C+vista%2C+osx&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all <johnlittle> http://www.google.com/trends?q=ubuntu%2C+suse%2C+redhat%2C+mandriva&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all <adamant1988> I've seen those. #ubuntu-marketing 2006-08-07 <johnlittle> yo marketing peeps <adamant1988> hey johnlittle <elkbuntu> johnlittle, the counter is getting similar windows viewage, but i think alot of that is exposure to the buttons in forums and on blogs <adamant1988> Getting the word out is a big thing. <adamant1988> When Ubuntu reaches the point redhat was at, where it is synonymous with Linux, people will start pushing for it on Dells and HPs <johnlittle> Yeah blog exposure is very useful <adamant1988> and when Dell and HP start offering Ubuntu it will start seeing market share <iCod> hey <iCod> hey? <adamant1988> hey <iCod> what's up? <adamant1988> not much <adamant1988> brb <iCod> k, just curious since I've been away <iCod> hey richj <johnlittle> ugh..45 minutes from Monday <adamant1988> heh <johnlittle> Nix you around? <adamant1988> nixternal ping <nixternal> whats up! <nixternal> dfajl <nixternal> afda <nixternal> hehe <adamant1988> Yes, he's around johnlittle <nixternal> im gettin' ready to do some BOFH stuff ;) <adamant1988> BOFH? <nixternal> bastard operator from hell * adamant1988 hates acronyms. <nixternal> i have a guy in one of my chans being a little immature and anti CoC kinda sorta <adamant1988> I'm reading... The economics of Linux are fascinating. <adamant1988> ooooh, what channel? <nixternal> lol <nixternal> im half asleep for some reason <johnlittle> I may pull an all nighter..tons of stuff to do before morning <johnlittle> I'm too old for that :( <nixternal> i just might passout soon <adamant1988> that's cool johnlittle... try some skyrocket <nixternal> heh, im only 32, still young <nixternal> haha <johnlittle> I'll stick to coffee :) <nixternal> hehe <nixternal> i could use some actually <adamant1988> pfft... coffee is for the weak <adamant1988> and it tastes bad. Try some "bawls" (has so much caffeine there is grips on the bottle). <nixternal> mmm bawls ;) <johnlittle> I like Monster...but coffee is my first love <adamant1988> I started with coffee when I was 2 <adamant1988> I'm so immune to caffeine that if I don't get it in LARGE doses it doesn't do anything for me. <johnlittle> Or just drop a couple crack rocks in a cup of crystal lite...mmmm <adamant1988> I can go through a 12 pack of coke in a couple hours and still sleep on time <adamant1988> I'm up right now because I'm reading about the economic models with Linux... which ones are going to lead to more OEM installations etc. <johnlittle> Yeah i need a few million milligrams of caffine to be functional..i can't get a buzz on it anymore <johnlittle> a true addict <johnlittle> nixternal? <nixternal> hello <johnlittle> Question.. <johnlittle> How many people are active on the marketing team..as far as you know? <nixternal> comes and goes really, but you will see 20+ daily i believe <adamant1988> depends on what you mean by active... <johnlittle> Heh <nixternal> right now, i think most of the people over -> are looking for a little direction really, as I know I find myself looking for it as well <nixternal> i feel more is getting done marketing wise with the LoCo's over the Marketing Team <nixternal> that is why i feel there needs to be a collaboration between the 2 <adamant1988> I've been focusing more on my local projects more than anything <johnlittle> Surprised there isn't <nixternal> with the LoCo's you have probably over 1000 Ubuntu advocates out there working <nixternal> there has always been talk, just no action <johnlittle> It's like a lot of volunteer work. You can't wait for somebody to tell you what to do...just do it. But then you risk stepping on toes <nixternal> exactly <johnlittle> Who sets the deliverables for the team..or does it work like that? <nixternal> there needs to be a set "Marketing Agenda" for Ubuntu in it's entirety, and truthfully, I think Canonical needs to set that agenda if they want a real MT <nixternal> nobody does...which i kind of think that is an issue <nixternal> i know there are others who disagree, but I had worked for SuSE prior to them being taken over by Novell, and their Marketing Team was awesome <johnlittle> Seems like it. I expected there to be a Canonical person driving it before I joined. <nixternal> they were a German based company and owned market share at one point, and it was community driven as well, to a point <johnlittle> Yeah I was SUSE before Ubuntu <nixternal> the rules/guidelines, as well as the type of stuff that needed to get done was put out by employees of course, and then the community ran with it <nixternal> Ubuntu has "Word of Mouth" marketing right now and that is it <nixternal> granted nothign beats "Word of Mouth", we must need more Mouths <nixternal> we need to create content that will push non-users to those mouths to learn more about Ubuntu <johnlittle> It's been effective but the more ambitious stuff like magazines would probably benefit from a bit more structure <nixternal> for instance, we had 90 people yesterday join #ubuntu-classroom for an IRC lecture <nixternal> a lot of the people were using Windows and mIRC <johnlittle> Yep..thats why I created ubuntu video <nixternal> i have emails from people who want to switch, and asked for my help...i am open to everyone all the time <nixternal> just from the class i got 10 interested switchers <nixternal> they "heard" about ubuntu on digg, heard about the classroom on digg, and i did some work to get it pimped <nixternal> i had 2 people message me asking what exactly ubuntu was <nixternal> i told one guy i would ship him an Ubuntu CD, a Kubuntu CD, and some stickers for his enjoyment and to check out <nixternal> he was on dial up, so i wasn't expecting him to dl the isos <elkbuntu> or wait 4-10 weeks for delivery and have time to forget all about it ;) <nixternal> hehe ya <nixternal> i shipped him 5 CDs yesterday, and emailed him information on each CD i sent him <johnlittle> Is the marketing team interfacing with LUGs at all? <nixternal> nope <nixternal> but the LoCo's do <nixternal> right now I am currently in 5 different LUGs just to keep up <nixternal> not in as a member, but i frequent the meetings <Madpilot> 5 LUGs? Wow, we've only got one locally, and it's more into beer drinking & Gentoo :| <nixternal> ya same here Madpilot <nixternal> ChiLUG is good though <Madpilot> beer drinking I'm in favour of; Gentoo I don't see the point of :) <nixternal> I haven't made it to one of their events, but they are all pretty cool guys and have a good setup going <nixternal> hehe <nixternal> I will be the "Ubuntu/Debian" guy for the College of DuPage LUG here within the next few weeks <johnlittle> Ubuntu probably has all the brand awareness it needs in the linux world by now though <nixternal> they/we just did an install fest...and their typical 15 to 20 people was darn close to 100 <nixternal> and about 80 were Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Edubuntu installs ;) <johnlittle> heh not surprising <nixternal> I know I made one professor who envies Slackware MAD!!! <nixternal> i just hope i never get him as a professor during the courses i am about to embark on ;) <johnlittle> lol <ormiret> nixternal: the "Public relations" section in your wiki mockups: was that for mathewrevell's press project? <nixternal> yes sir <ormiret> OK I'll leave that bit for him to write <nixternal> i have no clue what is up with any of that truthfully <ormiret> :) <nixternal> that whole thing is a mess yet <matthewrevell> Morning all. Been PC-free all weekend. Have I missed anything? <Burgundavia> not much <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: the marketing team issue of memberships seems to have died down <johnlittle> He missed the launch of http://www.ubuntuvideo.com :) <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: Cool. I think we can safely mark that one as, "Mistake made during transitional period" :) <Burgundavia> yep <Burgundavia> thankfully LP is far better at membership stuff than even 6 months ago <matthewrevell> johnlittle: I noticed a thread about that in the ML. Just reading John Baer's proposals at the moment <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: john baer seems very enthusiastic <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: What does team membership let someone do? Rather a basic question, I realise <johnlittle> Good question <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: nothing but a shiny button on their user page <Burgundavia> "feeling of inclusion" <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: Yeah, which is great. <Burgundavia> yep, both very good but quite "soft" <matthewrevell> Ah, superb <Burgundavia> we need more people helping out the existing projects, like UWN and the Knot release reports, like I mentioned in my email <Burgundavia> ideas are good but fairly cheap, talk is cheaper <johnlittle> It's probably best that I created ubuntuvideo and then joined the team lol <matthewrevell> I say "superb" because it means that what I'm about to suggest is probably worthwhile: let's stop moderating memberships. <Burgundavia> sure that works <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: Agreed. I think people in the team are coming round to the idea that the magazine idea wasn't yet fully formed and that other projects need the help more <Burgundavia> yep <johnlittle> Why don't some of you busier folks identify tasks that can be offloaded to newer members and post them..put them up for grabs <Burgundavia> and SU seems to have died the "fridge is now working" death, which is a good death <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: marketing is now an open team <matthewrevell> SU is only dead because Jenda is on holiday <matthewrevell> I believe <nixternal> [02:47] <johnlittle> Why don't some of you busier folks identify tasks that can be offloaded to newer members and post them..put them up for grabs <nixternal> great idea ;) <Burgundavia> nixternal: I did <Burgundavia> we need an open task list, on the wiki <nixternal> i know you did Burgundavia as that helps out you and I tremendously <matthewrevell> nixternal: I'm definitely up for working on UWN <Burgundavia> let me edit the wiki page <matthewrevell> brb <nixternal> for Kubuntu Knot release reports, I pretty much have that covered <nixternal> i have a decent grasp with what is new and exciting for the knot releases since I work along side #kubuntu-devel as much as possible <matthewrevell> I have to admit ignorance when it comes to knot reprots <nixternal> there needs to be Xubuntu and Edubuntu release reports as well, and I am sure the Ubuntu release report is pretty large <nixternal> matthewrevell: i was in the same boat for knot1 release, but i was thrown in it, and i could either sink or swim...luckily i swam ;) <matthewrevell> I'll reply to Burgundavia's post, with a "okay, enough ideas, let's do some work" :) <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: tbbbhh... <nixternal> my knot 2 release report, which is still "draft", is getting rave reviews ;) <matthewrevell> nixternal: Hey, more than happy to help out, I'll follow your lead <nixternal> which if it wasn't for Burgundavia lighting a fire under my @$$, i would have been working on it at the last second im sure ;) <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: ? <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: that was me blowing a raspberry at you <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: Oh :) BTW - not suggesting we need more work from you, dude <matthewrevell> :) <nixternal> heh, i also have a manual merge via MoM as well..i gotta get that done today, or Hobbsee will be chasing me with a pointy stick for sure <matthewrevell> johnlittle's idea of an, erm, ideas list may work better now that an active group is starting to form within the team. <matthewrevell> Sorry, not ideas list, "things to do" list. <nixternal> i swore there used to be one for the MT <matthewrevell> Previously, it's been a bit pie in the sky. <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: right, my plate is already pretty crowded <matthewrevell> nixternal: Yeah, but it was stuff like, "Get me a mockup for this site or other" <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: I'm pretty busy too but I can definitely squeeze in some kind of "to do" list <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: I'll see what's already there, and amend it, or create a new one <matthewrevell> nixternal: You still working on the MT wiki pages? <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/GetInvolved <matthewrevell> nixternal: Would love to help. <Burgundavia> updated for actual projects in motion <Burgundavia> feel free to add stuff <nixternal> cool matthewrevell, they are open for editing <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: oh right <matthewrevell> :) <nixternal> feel free to write away on it if you would like <matthewrevell> nixternal: Sure thing :) <matthewrevell> nixternal: Didn't want to jump in if you had a plan underway <nixternal> i have actually neglected it for the past couple of weeks, one due to vacation, plus edgy work and trying to get in with the doc team a little more <matthewrevell> We've got to lose the team purpose statement on the MT home page <matthewrevell> nixternal: fair enough <nixternal> the plan is there, it just needs content and some loving ;) <Burgundavia> the fewer wiki pages we have, the better <nixternal> i think the V2 is what we want <nixternal> once we have something, then I am going to do a /Marketing main
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