#ubuntu-marketing 2006-07-01 <adamant1988> hello all. <kgoetz> hey <adamant1988> so what's up all?? <kgoetz> its raining :| <adamant1988> nice <adamant1988> I just got done working yet another 11 hour day <adamant1988> brb <adamant1988> Score I just got my Ubuntu disks in the mail :) <kgoetz> :) ii have my edubuntu and kubuntu cds, but i dont have my ubuntus :( <adamant1988> waiting on those two <tonyyarusso> kgoetz: Ordered separately or do they ship separately? <tonyyarusso> Still waiting on all of mine. <kgoetz> tonyyarusso: i ordered a few of each distro, then i ordered a heap more ubuntus, so i asume they held back the ubuntu cds to send all at once <tonyyarusso> kgoetz: Ah. <tonyyarusso> Are they taking custom orders now or still the ten at a time like at the beginning? <adamant1988> custom <tonyyarusso> Sweet. <adamant1988> I ordered a total of 50 (k,edu,u)buntu disks for a project <tonyyarusso> Hey, this would be a good place to ask this: <adamant1988> now if only I could get my wengo phone working lol <tonyyarusso> What do you think would happen if I sent Ubuntu/Kubuntu CDs to my political representatives on various levels? What should I say in an accompanying explanation if I do? Also, what would be good to say with Edubuntu CDs given to schools or school districts? What level would be most effective? Principals, teachers, or IT people? <kgoetz> tonyyarusso: depends how the education system in your area works <adamant1988> Ehm. If you're aiming to make a change in the school system or the government just mailing some CDs won't do the trick. <kgoetz> a lot of places in australiaits /law/ that use you windows <adamant1988> even with a written explanation they'll just be thrown out. <tonyyarusso> kgoetz: Really? Is that even..legal? <kgoetz> tonyyarusso: aparently so <adamant1988> in some countries obviously. <tonyyarusso> adamant1988: Even if I'm not shooting for any sort of fast change, just an awareness raising bit would be good. <kgoetz> 3 of australias 6 states have laws that only MS stuff is 'supported' by the govt <adamant1988> then do a presentation and a community project. <tonyyarusso> What would make them boot the CD once, say, "Hm, interesting", and then throw them out? <adamant1988> They're not going to boot the cd. Not unless you give them a reason. <tonyyarusso> adamant1988: How does one arrange that sort of presentation? <adamant1988> Well, I'm doing one as my senior project. <tonyyarusso> How 'bout, "maybe your computer wouldn't crash all the time if you used Linux". <adamant1988> find some local funding, a sponsor, and get everything together <tonyyarusso> Or in the case of my high school, "Maybe your network would work. Reliably. Ever." <adamant1988> make sure you have an audience. If you have a local linux user group, they'd be great to get in contact with. <tonyyarusso> There is one, based over in Minneapolis. <adamant1988> You also need to get your reps to listen, so make sure to invite them to the 'conferance' or w/e. <adamant1988> you want lots of hard numbers and research. <adamant1988> My presentation has a 'captive' audience in the school. they don't have a choice but to listen to me, it's a graduation requirement. <tonyyarusso> You know, I don't know about the majority of them, since most of our politicians are scum, but my state senator is a good guy - might take me up on a lunch meeting if I prepare some stuff. <tonyyarusso> adamant1988: Nice. <adamant1988> depending on your age, and what you send him. All politicians are busy people. <tonyyarusso> adamant1988: Would you be willing to share some of your materials? Or are they already up on the wiki? <adamant1988> I'm not technically a part of the marketing group <adamant1988> I'm a 'member' of the Linux Campaign though, and I want to join the marketing group. <tonyyarusso> adamant1988: 19. He's busy, but the type that came to our door to introduce himself after they redrew the districts. <adamant1988> Yeah, I'm in pretty good with manchin. <adamant1988> at least to the extent that I'm on a talking basis with his sister-in-law. <adamant1988> so I think I could get him to at least notice what I'm doing, but I'm trying to start small. <adamant1988> if I make a few newspapers locally, the local scum (politcal leaders) might pay a little more attention, and it'll slowly build from there. <tonyyarusso> That would be good. <tonyyarusso> I tried contacting all of the local media when Dapper released, but I don't think anybody ran anything. <adamant1988> brb <tonyyarusso> The Associated Press got some stuff in like the Boston Globe though. <adamant1988> oh yeah? <nixternal> adamant1988: where are you located? <adamant1988> West Virginia <nixternal> nice <nixternal> how about that rain? <adamant1988> a state that could *really* benefit from foss. <adamant1988> didn't get any today <adamant1988> a couple days ago it was nice <nixternal> i used to live in southern maryland..i heard that whole are has been nailed by rain recently <adamant1988> no one came to subway or wendys.. peaceful. <nixternal> my x-wife and daughter still live in "my house" in southern maryland ;) <adamant1988> oh yeah? <adamant1988> nice <adamant1988> I'm excited... these disks mean a lot for me :) <adamant1988> I'm confused about the marketing team though <adamant1988> I don't know where to begin on working with it... <nixternal> arg <tonyyarusso> Here's some links to the AP article mentioned (Peter Svensson) http://news.google.com/news?oe=UTF-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&ie=UTF-8&tab=wn&q=ubuntu+ap&filter=0 <nixternal> you got disks already? <adamant1988> yeah, my ubuntu disks just came today <nixternal> im waiting for the typical 10 each yet...but i also have a special 1000 disk order in for an upcoming event <adamant1988> meaning my kubuntu disks should arrive anytime. <nixternal> if they don't come by then..im skewed <adamant1988> wow 1000 disks? <adamant1988> do you think that'll get accepted? <tonyyarusso> If you tell them what it's for. <nixternal> ya..the last even we had...i burned 500 and they were gone in less then 30 minutes i would say <tonyyarusso> nixternal: What sort of people do you get coming to your events, and how? <adamant1988> I ordered 50 for my school event... should I have ordered more? <nixternal> oh ya adamant1988...it will get accepted..it is for LoCo and Marketing purposes..and since im a member on both teams and other's..it should go through..plus i had backing from a couple of Canonical people on the order <nixternal> it is a computer show they do every 2 months in the chicagoland area <tonyyarusso> Nice <nixternal> they get on average 15,000 on a sat and sun <adamant1988> nix, what's the marketing team doing right now anyway? <nixternal> restructuring <nixternal> big time <adamant1988> I caught that. <adamant1988> But should I wait to get involved? <adamant1988> my main concern is that I'm confused. lol. I want to have a clear idea of what I'll be doing <nixternal> right now would probably be the best time to get involved <nixternal> whats up Madpilot <Madpilot> not much <nixternal> you can always just hang out, and when jenda gets back maybe he can give you some clearer information..or even matthewrevell if he was around <adamant1988> what exactly does the marketing team do? <nixternal> im supposed to be working on the wiki right now..but my graphics guy is messing around... <nixternal> speaking of that..i need to go crack the whip on a couple of jobs i have pending ;) <adamant1988> I'm working in the linux campaign right now. I'm the 'resident leader' of West Virginia <nixternal> thats pretty cool...and a good start for here <adamant1988> but I can handle both. <adamant1988> I'll have some free time soon as I'm quitting my second job. <nixternal> all i have is free time right now :) <adamant1988> haha <adamant1988> But seriously, what are the responsibilities of the marketing team? <nixternal> i kind of messed up though <nixternal> i sold my house because i was planning on moving to mexico <adamant1988> now you're not moving? <nixternal> i had the house and everything picked out..well the house fell through and i didn't get the bid in on time <adamant1988> ouch <nixternal> so now..im not moving...and im stuck staying at the back end of my parents house <nixternal> not to shabby as im seperated somewhat...but everything is free ;) <adamant1988> lol <adamant1988> you still haven't answered me <nixternal> so now..im going to chill out for the summer <nixternal> oh..didn't see the question <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam <nixternal> that is a brief explination <adamant1988> everything is the wiki lol <nixternal> hehe <nixternal> wiki rules thats why <nixternal> plus im a wiki member..so i pump it as much as possible ;) <kgoetz> lol <adamant1988> lol <adamant1988> ok, so how do I join then? <kgoetz> iv seen you mailing the doc list nixternal :) <nixternal> hehe <nixternal> when you see my doc-list mails, that means work is churning <nixternal> i love the fact people get mad cuz of those email <nixternal> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-marketing <nixternal> join via the launchpad <nixternal> read the info on there <nixternal> i don't know exactly how they are going to be running the launchpad...as i heard rumors of 30 day tryouts and what not...but that was just a rumor <adamant1988> =\ <nixternal> hehe <nixternal> does it let you join that way or not? <nixternal> there is no telling what is going on with the lp right now...plus jenda and revell aren't around..as they seem to be the senior personnel <nixternal> im trying to remember who else...i see magazine people in here right now <adamant1988> I like the magazine idea... <adamant1988> My main 'skills' reside in writing, graphical work, and creative thinking processes. <adamant1988> so I don't know how much use I'll actually be... <kgoetz> adamant1988: be glad you have skills :| <nixternal> graphical work..you may have just opened mouth and inserted foor <nixternal> s/foor/foot ;) <nixternal> let me find something for you to do then ;) <adamant1988> why's that nixternal? <kgoetz> :D <nixternal> i need a MarketingTeam logo <adamant1988> like what? I'm still learning inkscape and gimp, but I can get around them well enough. <nixternal> i will show you in one second <adamant1988> I was much more comfy with illustrator and photoshop. <nixternal> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=24719 <- look at the globe images there <nixternal> we want either static w/ africa showing...but we really want it to spin <nixternal> with an Ubuntu logo incorporated ;) <adamant1988> ehm, I can do the static with africa showing. <adamant1988> But the spinning I wouldn't know how to do yet. <nixternal> lets see what you got <adamant1988> Shouldn't be too hard. <nixternal> i just may have to open up a forum with a contest..but i don't have anything to give out ;) <nixternal> i can give out hugs <nixternal> lol <adamant1988> I assume you want the logo in scalable vector.. <adamant1988> Hrmmm I have an idea but I need to see if inkscape does gradients <adamant1988> yep <nixternal> rock-n-roll with it <adamant1988> ok, I should be able to do this... what size do you want it in? <Madpilot> adamant1988, it does nice gradients :) <adamant1988> would you like 128x128? <nixternal> that will work for now i guess <adamant1988> well Im' going to go scalable with it <adamant1988> so it should be scalable to w/e size you want <nixternal> that would be a good idea i think <adamant1988> also when I said photoshop, I'm more into abstractish stuff too... I haven't done much logo work, I know how, just haven't.. <adamant1988> http://dismalmuse.deviantart.com/ <adamant1988> That's mine.. I haven't done much with it... <nixternal> mmm greeeenn...in a homer simpson voice <adamant1988> haha it was supposed to be a collaboration with an elive artist <adamant1988> but I kind of finished it on my own <adamant1988> well, it's off to bed for me. <kgoetz> later mate <adamant1988> I'll do that logo when I get the time... I'm getting a new apartment soon. <adamant1988> I signed up at the launch pad <adamant1988> :) * Rinchen wonders if anyone has seen this yet: http://opensource.apress.com/article/37/switch-to-ubuntu <kgoetz> hm. interesting <kgoetz> i had seen artices from teh 2 people meantioned, but not htat one <Rinchen> I just sent it to my friend who uses centos and just bought a macbook <Rinchen> The reasons specified are why I made the switch from Mac to Ubuntu <Rinchen> or should I say...a beautiful Mac to a warty warthog <kgoetz> :) <adamant1988> GAH why won't openwengo work!? <Rinchen> it does work ..sort of :-) <adamant1988> yeah, except I can't login to the client.. <Rinchen> what's your wengo name? <adamant1988> adamant1988 <Rinchen> did you try safe mode wengo connection? <adamant1988> yeah... <Rinchen> open ports? firestarter? modem? * kgoetz decides to change his home domain to 'intestine' <adamant1988> I can login to skype and all just fine <adamant1988> but wengo gives me an incorrect login info error every time <Rinchen> did you register and then do the email confirmation? <adamant1988> yep <Rinchen> if it's userid and pw then it shouldn't be a port issue and you can use regular mode <adamant1988> I can login to the site fine <Rinchen> realm and sever voip.wengo.fr ? <Rinchen> force register through proxy 6014050377 ? <adamant1988> idk, hold on I'm dling the beta <Rinchen> my skype and wengo are the same if anyone wants to add me: happyhacking <Rinchen> but i'm almost never on. I use jabber: ramirezanna@example.org <kgoetz> yay for jabber <adamant1988> beta gives me the same error <adamant1988> gah hold on a sec <Rinchen> you're online now * kgoetz is sure he has wengo, but ccant remember the login :S <adamant1988> lol <adamant1988> what commands do I need to install a program from .sg <adamant1988> .sh <kgoetz> ./foo <kgoetz> or sh ./foo <adamant1988> just ./foo? <adamant1988> that's it? <kgoetz> if the script is executale , tehn ./foo works <adamant1988> so would I do CD to directory and then ./foo <kgoetz> yeh <kgoetz> cd /usr/local/bin <kgoetz> ./usberapp <adamant1988> ok that runs the program.. but It doesn't install it <kgoetz> *uber <kgoetz> what is the program/ <adamant1988> wengophone beta * kgoetz tries to find the english part of teh wengo site... fking french site <adamant1988> haha <adamant1988> meh I'll screw with all that in the morning <adamant1988> gnight all <kgoetz> later mate <kgoetz> i just noticed some email about ubuntupeople - can someone give me some details about what the politics around it are? <Madpilot> no idea <Madpilot> a Marketing forum @ ubuntuforums, if we need one at all, would make far more sense anyway <kgoetz> i'm not a fan of forums, but thats not the point :) <Madpilot> neither am I, really, but some people like them for some reason * kgoetz shrugs. some people are willing to go and find things to comment on (forums), i prefer them to come to me (email) * kgoetz is probably lazy ;) <Madpilot> I find I can realistically follow two or three large forums at once - but I'm on about two dozen mailing lists, about four-six of them busy, and don't have any problem keeping up... <KenSentMe> There was a discussion about discussing marketing stuff on the ubuntuforums a long time ago and then it was decided that the marketing team should set up their own forum, so ubuntupeople.com was started. The reasons for this are not clear to me (ubuntuforums was only for support) <Madpilot> meh. There's lots of stuff on ubuntuforums that isn't strictly support <KenSentMe> Later on there was some stuff about the ubuntupeople forums between Jenda and Lloyd. I don;t know the details, but Lloyd apparently decided to close the ubuntupeople.com forum. Now it is decided that for now the marketing team only discusses on irc and the mailinglist <KenSentMe> I've proposed to add marketing to the ubuntuforums and from their side it was okay, but for now we only use mailinglist and irc <kgoetz> hm. <Madpilot> good, it's one less info source to track :) <kgoetz> i prefer irc+email, so i'm not hanging out for a forum :) <KenSentMe> Other question. Does any of you use jabber? <Madpilot> not currently <kgoetz> KenSentMe: yes <KenSentMe> I've just opened an account, but haven't found anyone to test it <KenSentMe> kgoetz: can i add you? <kgoetz> KenSentMe: sure. kamping_kaiser [at] jabber.org[optional:.au] <KenSentMe> kgoetz: done <kgoetz> got you :) <KenSentMe> thanx again <kgoetz> np <KenSentMe> i'm off now, bye <kgoetz> later <Madpilot> need sleep - later, all <darkmatter_> godmorning all <darkmatter_> *goodmorning <kgoetz> hey <adamant1988> hi all <gnomefreak> hello <adamant1988> I joined the marketing team ^_^ <alecks> 'lo all <Rinchen> Jenda may be on vacation but he overhauled the marketing wiki page the other day <adamant1988> nixternal, you here? <nixternal> hello <adamant1988> :) <adamant1988> You wouldn't know where I could find an some basic svg items like... a globe would you? <nixternal> sorry..phone call <adamant1988> it's cool :) <nixternal> i just did a google about 30 minutes ago...on globe and ramirezanna@example.org first page that pops up had a decent globe <nixternal> and it had africa in view <adamant1988> nice, is it in scalable format though? <nixternal> which was perfect..it is like 570x570 i think <nixternal> i know absolutely nothing about graphics..so that is the wrong question to ask me ;) <adamant1988> haha <adamant1988> it's not scalable. <nixternal> teach me..how do you know if it is scalable? <adamant1988> scalable means that if you change the size it doesn't get distorted. <adamant1988> or blurry, or pixely, or anything else <nixternal> i actually kind of figured that..the only way to tell then would be to scale it and see..or is there something you look for ? <adamant1988> file format. <adamant1988> .svg is a scalable format. <adamant1988> I really hope I'm not going to have to do one by hand <nixternal> ok...i know svg format...scalable vector graphic if im not mistaken <adamant1988> yep <nixternal> there is another guy that was going to work on it..as he did a globe for another website i admin...and he did an awesome job for a Ubuntu globe <nixternal> but he can't find it and neither can i...he said he would redo one..but he has been busy with other stuff <alecks> hi all <nixternal> hey alecks <adamant1988> I found a clipart site <adamant1988> if I can't find a globe you mind if I try some other ideas? <nixternal> sure <nixternal> run with it... <adamant1988> gah <adamant1988> I found a good one <adamant1988> but it's north and south america showing <Rinchen> Adam, try here: http://www.openclipart.org/ <nixternal> http://linux-blog.org/index.php?/archives/154-5-Unique-Tips-for-New-Ubuntu-Users.html <adamant1988> hrmm <adamant1988> still no africa... but they ahve a decent globe.. <adamant1988> nixternal, do you want text or no? <nixternal> no text..just the globe with the Ubuntu logo somehow tossed in/merged <nixternal> although...i don't see how that really relates to a MarketingTeam ;) <adamant1988> I do. <adamant1988> nixternal, I have a draft done... I couldn't find an africa facing globe... <nixternal> post that bad mammajamma <nixternal> that was kind of quick <adamant1988> it's a draft.. <adamant1988> do you know where I can host an svg file? <nixternal> hmmm <nixternal> i have nothing to host it here <nixternal> i gotta work on that <nixternal> i get everybody else hosting space..but never me ;) <Rinchen> Adam <Rinchen> signup for freeshell.org <Rinchen> it's free and you can host files <Rinchen> it's command line only <Rinchen> I host stuff from rescue.maclab.org <Rinchen> as well as my own hosting at the 5 sites I run... <Rinchen> gftp works great with freeshell <adamant1988> gah, I need a different vector program <adamant1988> I really don't like inkscape <Rinchen> you can try sodipodi ..it's in the repo along with the openclip art I mentioned earlier <adamant1988> grrr I dislike inscape I'm going to do this is ooo draw <adamant1988> what is sodipodi? <Rinchen> similar to inkscape <Rinchen> I use ooodraw but I'm on the ooo dev team so... :-) <adamant1988> is ooodraw comparable in features to those two? <Rinchen> it's close...but I don't do heavy graphics works. I find ooodraw easier to use <adamant1988> inkscape screwed my gradients up and then wouldn't evne let me save right * adamant1988 wishes he had crossover office right now <ormiret> adamant1988: you can upload images to the ubuntu wiki <adamant1988> yeah... inskcape won't save my file though <adamant1988> the only thing it's saving is the gradient <adamant1988> so idk. <adamant1988> i'll brb <nixternal> arg <nixternal> Rinchen come back!!!! <adamant1988> lol <nixternal> needed to ask him an OOo quesiton about 2.0.3 <nixternal> amaroK actually finishes a playlist..it doesn't keep going..retarded <adamant1988> you can set it to repeat nix.... <adamant1988> what I want to know is why inkscape won't save my files <adamant1988> yay <adamant1988> it saved :) <adamant1988> nixternal, do you have an email? <nixternal> ramirezanna@example.org <adamant1988> why not just write it out lol.... <nixternal> cuz this channel is logged and displayed on the web * nixternal don't want spam <adamant1988> sh <adamant1988> if all is well it should be in your inbox... * nixternal checks <adamant1988> I wanted to put the whole thing in a glass ball, but inkscape disagreed with my idea. * adamant1988 notes the silence <nixternal> its a start..but don't have it showing the United States <nixternal> that will cause definate turmoil ;) <adamant1988> I said I could find a good africa globe.. <nixternal> don't get me wrong, I love the US and have lived here most of my life...but the stupidity we have been up to lately has the rest of the world angry with us...and having an Ubuntu logo with the US showing..oh wow..it scares me ;) <adamant1988> couldn't <nixternal> oh i know..it isn't easy to find <adamant1988> no doubt <nixternal> i wonder if there is a way to incorporate a spinning globe inside of the ubuntu logo <nixternal> that would rock <adamant1988> it would be an animation <adamant1988> and not scalable. <nixternal> then we need 2 logos..one that spins and one that is scalable ;) <adamant1988> haha, I don't know how to do animation in gimp <nixternal> i might hit up the forums..and have people submit an image...tell them they are helping out the community this way <adamant1988> perhaps <adamant1988> I've not spent the time to learn these tools for graphics work.. <adamant1988> I'm trying to get ps and ai working in wine <nixternal> http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/ubuntu/iso/6.06/ubuntu-6.06-server-i386.iso.torrent <nixternal> http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/ubuntu/iso/6.06/ubuntu-6.06-server-i386.iso.torrent <nixternal> doh <nixternal> sorry <nixternal> [15:35] <Gooofy> you guys will get pretty swamped soon, with WIndows shutting us down <nixternal> thats what i wanted to post <nixternal> this guy popped into my LoCo channel and started talking..i got him into the New Users Network..and that was his line <nixternal> WE WILL GET PRETTY SWAMPED!!! I think the whole Microsoft WGA stuff could work in our favor <adamant1988> what's that? <adamant1988> you just confused me <nixternal> i am working with a new user <adamant1988> ok... <nixternal> and he stopped using windows because of the XP killing the stolen keys <adamant1988> haha <nixternal> and ms has been killing legit keys from what people say <nixternal> although i find that one hard to believe <adamant1988> no it's true <adamant1988> That happened to me a couple times <nixternal> i had a stolen key...and still do..but i don't use windows except for screenshotting a howto <nixternal> ;) #ubuntu-marketing 2006-07-02 <bethko> Hello everyone <bethko> Anyone still awake? <mdke> lots of people <bethko> Well I know some people tend to fall asleep at their computers * mdke doesn't know any of those people <bethko> I'm new to this group and the list serve. I am running a 3 week long educational booth and we will be passing out ubuntu cds <mdke> wow, nice <bethko> Being the advocate that I am, I will do anything I can to help my clients and Ubuntu being accessible in full right off the live cd would be a major thing, but if I want this to happen I got to be part of the community and since I'm good on computers and explaining stuff about them I thought marketing was the way to go with it. <bethko> I am dead tired. But I have meds that keep me from sleeping <mdke> there is a lot of work going into accessibility now <mdke> a developer is working full time on it, and for ubuntu 6.10 it should be very good <bethko> I don't spend much time on IRC but if I need to I can access it though my cellphone. <bethko> Yeah, I been following that really close. <bethko> My grammar is a bit off cause I'm typing too fast <mdke> that's ok <bethko> I'm hoping they can get the speech working <bethko> If they can get the speech working on boot I have the means to write tutorals for it <bethko> After that I would spread it through the blind community. And after that the Deaf-blind community that I serve <bethko> In the mean time I'm going to introduce as many people as possible to the os distro and the hopes that some of them will turn around and help improve it <mdke> great <bethko> Ok, I'm going to go listen to a podcast. Maybe get some sleep though I doubt it. See you later. <darkmatter_> hmmm.... I'm looking at the sled 10 cbt quick-start tour... I think something like that would go over quite nicely in ubuntu <mdke> darkmatter_: have a look at UbuntuWelcomeCenter <darkmatter_> yeah... I've seen that... but I mean actually included... <mdke> darkmatter_: what do you mean? <darkmatter_> as in included on the installation (flash tour crap)... could make it more enviting to new users <darkmatter_> *inviting <mdke> darkmatter_: are you saying that UbuntuWelcomeCenter isn't intended to be included in the installation? <darkmatter_> I don't know... lol... haven't looked at it recently <mdke> it's unlikely that Ubuntu would sponsor a summer of code project that wouldn't have any chance of inclusion, to be honest <mdke> well, it seems to be exactly what you are interested in <darkmatter_> ahhh... interested only because I'm a ui/usability guy <mdke> darkmatter_: sorry, I don't understand. You mentioned that a quick start tour might be nice in Ubuntu, I pointed out a project to do that... <mdke> did I misunderstand? <darkmatter_> and something like that goes a long way to enhancing the user experience <darkmatter_> nope... not really... you understood fairly well <darkmatter_> I'm just sleepy <darkmatter_> ;) <mdke> cool <darkmatter_> now, to get off my lazt backside and get back to my usability/accessibility project <kgoetz> :) #ubuntu-marketing 2006-07-03 <adamant1988> nixternal :) <adamant1988> nixternal are you there? <gaz00> /j #bzr <gaz00> sorry ;) <nixternal> adamant1988: im here now!! ;) <adamant1988> so nixternal I got photoshop <nixternal> cool ;) <adamant1988> but not imageready... <adamant1988> erm <adamant1988> illustrator... <adamant1988> duh... <nixternal> hehe <adamant1988> yeah so that means Im' stuck with inkscape for logos =\ <nixternal> hehe <nixternal> you can't win um all <adamant1988> ech.. this one.. it was kind of important to me... lol. <adamant1988> I guess I'll have to learn how to use inkscape more =\ <nixternal> i haven't messed with inkscape much <nixternal> right now i am building a new chroot and pbuilder for edgy packaging on my other system <nixternal> right now it seems to be working good <adamant1988> I would like to learn how to do those things... but it's occured to me that my expertise lies in the puzzles of marketing... <nixternal> hehe <nixternal> im learning the whole packaging thing myself <nixternal> i have done it years ago...but i don't remember much of it <jsgotangco> good morning <nixternal> morning to you jsgotangco <nixternal> good morning that is <jsgotangco> packaging eh? <nixternal> trying it again <nixternal> i figure to be useless for edgy packaging right now, but prepare for edgy+1 <jsgotangco> its fun but something i don't have the patience to do <nixternal> if i remember back in the early days, i didn't have patience either, as it would tie up a system for days <adamant1988> that was WEIRD. <jsgotangco> that's true <nixternal> adamant1988: make sure you are using port 8001 <nixternal> don't use 6667 or 6668 <adamant1988> why? * jsgotangco just enjoys hacking up interfaces <adamant1988> did you just do that? <nixternal> as the script kiddies will kill you with dcc hacks <adamant1988> no that was no kick <adamant1988> my whole computer locked. <nixternal> ahhh <nixternal> still...connect via 8001 from now on ;) <adamant1988> that was freaky as hell... pardon the language. <adamant1988> what could cause that? <nixternal> gnome ;) <adamant1988> so gnome just hard-locked my computer? * nixternal pets his non-locking up and non-crashing kde ;) <nixternal> muhahah <adamant1988> volume is messed up too <jsgotangco> doh <adamant1988> weird... <adamant1988> would gnome also mess up my volume? <nixternal> couldn't tell you...i tend to stay away from gnome ;) <adamant1988> well that was just plain weird.. <adamant1988> can I make my desktop into kde without screwing anything up? <nixternal> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop <nixternal> you will have gnome and kde that way <adamant1988> how will I switch? <adamant1988> also is there any risk of that breaking something? <adamant1988> nixternal? <tonyyarusso> adamant1988: At the login menu, click "Sessions" and choose KDE. <adamant1988> and the risks? <tonyyarusso> adamant1988: No, it won't break anything. I had Gnome, KDE, XFCE, Fluxbox, Openbox, fvwm, and a few others all once, and it was all well and good. <adamant1988> ok, how can I get it to default to kde? <tonyyarusso> adamant1988: Okay, one risk: Your Gnome menu will be cluttered with KDE apps. <tonyyarusso> That's it. <tonyyarusso> adamant1988: When you log in using KDE it will ask you whether it's a one time thing or if you'd like to make it default. <tonyyarusso> So just click "Make default" <adamant1988> ok, I'm trusting you guys... <adamant1988> can this be done through synaptic or add/remove? <tonyyarusso> Synaptic for sure. Add/remove I doubt. <adamant1988> ok, synaptic it is <adamant1988> I like synaptic <adamant1988> downloading... <adamant1988> I was told that the freeze could have been a kernel panic. <adamant1988> tonyyarusso, will all of my applications remain in the menu and so forth when I install kubuntu? <tonyyarusso> adamant1988: Yeah, you'll have them from both environments. <adamant1988> awesome <adamant1988> I will have to play around.. if gnome was the culprit behind that crash then kubuntu it is for me. <adamant1988> Is it true that Mark Shuttleworth uses kubuntu? <tonyyarusso> That's what I've heard anyway. <adamant1988> oh well, as long as there isn't a risk of losing my computer by doing this, I'm all for experimentation <tonyyarusso> The worst case scenario of 95% of things you can do is losing the ability to boot, and then you'd just grab a live cd to get your data and then reinstall. <adamant1988> yeah... but that's a lot of data.. <adamant1988> more importantly, I'm worried about my packages... I'll have to look for a backup program as soon as I am done in synaptic. <adamant1988> is kde as fast or faster than gnome (just curious) <adamant1988> ok reboot time... <adamant1988> wish me luck... <adamant1988> yay I'm back <kgoetz> wb <adamant1988> everything went pretty smoothly <adamant1988> although for some reason the first time I restarted it was gnome -_- * kgoetz reads up <kgoetz> you have to set your default DE <kgoetz> re packages: dpkg --get-selections > myPackageList <kgoetz> dselct install <myPackageList <adamant1988> I have it set now.. <adamant1988> I was just saying I thought it was weird that it did that <adamant1988> hrmm <adamant1988> this is no good... <adamant1988> I can't open up the display option in the control panel... <adamant1988> nixternal... that failed miserably... <adamant1988> wait nevermind that wasn't kde's fault <adamant1988> nixternal, I like your kubuntu suggestion :) everything is showing up in the menus like it's supposed to, etc. <nixternal> hehe <nixternal> good deal <nixternal> im debating on taking my laptop up to bed and chilling!!! <nixternal> ;) <adamant1988> haha... and I found sodipodi in adept... <adamant1988> why wasn't it in add/remove... <Burgundavia> adamant1988: likely no .desktop file <Burgundavia> adamant1988: file a bug <adamant1988> ok :) <adamant1988> nixternal you wouldn't know how to add a program to my startups would you? <adamant1988> I know how to do it under gnome... but not kde <damned> morning all <kgoetz> hey <matthewrevell> morning all <kgoetz> hey mate <KenSentMe> Good morning <Madpilot> morning <Madpilot> 0109 is morning, more or less ;) <matthewrevell> I've just spent a weekend wrestling to get Dapper installed on a ThinkPad. Turns out the installer has a bug with some Intel graphics chips. Urg. <matthewrevell> The installer team are onto it tho'. <digitalmouse> greetings programs! <kgoetz> hey :) <KenSentMe> hi there <kgoetz> :) <matthewrevell> all well? <kgoetz> not bad, if a little tired. self? <matthewrevell> Just found out that a colleague died yesterday. Really sad situation. Otherwise, not bad thanks. <kgoetz> wow, that must be a shock :| <matthewrevell> Yeah, was a bit :( <matthewrevell> Anyway, pushing off for lucnh, catch you later. <kgoetz> later mate <digitalmouse> take care <digitalmouse> whoops- matthew already 'pushed off' <digitalmouse> oh well <Ro1> hi <adamant1988> hello all <KenSentMe> hi <adamant1988> what's new? <KenSentMe> dunno, haven' been here often lately <adamant1988> ah... <adamant1988> I have, hasn't done me much good. <adamant1988> i'm still clueless <adamant1988> I just installed kubuntu from synaptic... I'm waiting for it to break... <KenSentMe> Clueless about what? <adamant1988> The marketing team... so far the only thing I've been asked to do is a logo, and I suck with inkscape so I haven't been able to do that. <KenSentMe> Well, if you the design of the logo is not working, then that's no problem. It's only voluntary, so you do what you can <adamant1988> yeah, I'm just dissapointed because I was really good with illustrator and photoshop, but inkscape... not so much. <kgoetz> adamant1988: /me lols ;) <KenSentMe> adamant1988: just keep practicing and you will get there <kgoetz> all graphics people say that <adamant1988> say what? <kgoetz> "I was really good with illustrator and photoshop, but inkscape..." <adamant1988> so it's not just me then. <matthewrevell> Hey adamant1988 - what's the logo you're working on? <kgoetz> hehe. absolutely not - i know at least half a dozen peopl off the top of my head <adamant1988> I was told to make a logo for the marketing team using the ubuntu logo, and an africa facing globe. No text. <adamant1988> The "idea" was to center the glove in the ubuntu logo, and use gradients to make everything appear as though it were in a glass ball. <matthewrevell> adamant1988: Cool. I'm relatively new to the team, so I've probably missed the discussion about that. Where did it come from? <kgoetz> we would have to get it okd by canonical (using the ubuntu logo) <adamant1988> Unfortunately, inkscape disagreed with my use of gradients, and then refused to save properly. <kgoetz> adamant1988: ping lucychili (shes in #technest), and have a chat with her, she shares your pain ;) <kgoetz> she might be able to help with $stuff <kgoetz> bbs <adamant1988> k <matthewrevell> adamant1988: So where did the momentum for the logo come from? <adamant1988> idk, I wasn't around for a discussion <adamant1988> nixternal said he needed a logo and asked me to make it. <matthewrevell> Oh right. Was that recently? Everything's been changing lately. <adamant1988> yeah, I just joined very recently <adamant1988> although since last night I've been fighting with my computer <adamant1988> so I haven't put anymore work into it <kgoetz> it was discussed a few days to aweek ago <matthewrevell> kgoetz: On the ML? <kgoetz> in here <kgoetz> it was actualy mroe nixternal saying 'i want a log' then a discusion ;) <adamant1988> he doesn't fully understand the different kinds of image types... <adamant1988> he wanted me to make a scalable animated logo with a spinning ramirezanna@example.org... <matthewrevell> :) Personally, I think we're better off using the mailing list to discuss that sort of thing, as everyone then gets a chance to get involved. <matthewrevell> adamant1988: Woah <matthewrevell> adamant1988: Spinning globe? <adamant1988> yes... <matthewrevell> nixternal: Are you from the 1980s? :-p <adamant1988> he still wants one, he just doesn't expect it to be scalable now. <matthewrevell> adamant1988: Why don't you make your first post to the mailing list by introducing the idea of a logo? We can then have a chat about how we want to be seen, what we want the logo to communicate. * adamant1988 has never been on a mailling list and isn't sure how that works =\ <matthewrevell> I think it's great for people to put ideas forward, but it seems a bit of a waste of effort to come up with a logo before it's been discussed on the ML. <matthewrevell> adamant1988: Ah, don't worry, it's really easy. <matthewrevell> adamant1988: I'll help you. <digitalmouse> have you seen my rough logo idea for the ubuntu magazine? you are welcome to expand/rip/mod that to you hearts content :-) <kgoetz> adamant1988: dont top post or use html email and your set :) <matthewrevell> adamant1988: I'm writing a guide at the moment, on the wiki. <matthewrevell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/MailingListIntro <matthewrevell> Haven't had time to finish it tho' :( <adamant1988> ok what's top post? <adamant1988> tell me that much and I'm set. <digitalmouse> http://digitalbyond.net/~ubuntumag/files/chameleon_logo.gif if you want to use that (or it's concept)... it's very rough - about 5 minutes of work really... I just have not had time to refine it <kgoetz> adamant1988: its where you reply to an email above teh text your replying to <matthewrevell> adamant1988: When you relpy to a message, quote only the relevant bits and pop your reply under the bit you're replying to. <matthewrevell> adamant1988: Top posting is where you quote the whole lot beneath your reply. <adamant1988> like a quote in the forums. * digitalmouse goes back to sleep <adamant1988> digitalmouse don't you think it should be an svg? * digitalmouse wakes up <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: Nice idea, combining the logos, bit wide though, I'd say. <digitalmouse> absolutely.. actually I have it locally as that, just not exported <digitalmouse> pang was a quick-n-dirty <digitalmouse> png* <adamant1988> hrmmmm... <adamant1988> I have an idea.... how would you guys feel about a 'die' <matthewrevell> adamant1988: ? <digitalmouse> as in a role-playing style of die (dice) ? <digitalmouse> 20-sided, etc. ? <adamant1988> yes, as in a die (dice) but more like 6 sides <digitalmouse> or in our case a 4 or 6 <adamant1988> there would be four visible sides <adamant1988> each side would have an ubuntu distro logo on it. <digitalmouse> how many variants are we up to now 6? (ub, kub, edub, xub, nub, ?) <matthewrevell> adamant1988: What's the reasoning behind a dice then? <kgoetz> digitalmouse: and an unofical ebuntu (e17) <kgoetz> iirc <digitalmouse> ah <adamant1988> it could incorperate all of the buntus that are official. Not singular to Ubuntu... <adamant1988> I use kubuntu now (I feel like a traitor) but I still use kubuntu... <kgoetz> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/derivatives * digitalmouse scratches head <digitalmouse> ? * kgoetz says rude stuff about the number of posable ubuntus+cds <matthewrevell> brb <kgoetz> k <adamant1988> haha, I'm just saying I think using more that one ubuntu distro shows that we're marketing the whole family. Unless we're not... <matthewrevell> adamant1988: I dunno, are we? <matthewrevell> adamant1988: I assume we are <adamant1988> that's what I would assume too <digitalmouse> heh, maybe a future project is to distribute all the ubuntu variants on a high-density DVD :-p <matthewrevell> adamant1988: Again, that's something we need to thrash out on the mailing list. <kgoetz> i use the word u <kgoetz> "ubuntu" to refer to The Real Thing and all the ripoffs :) <matthewrevell> :) <kgoetz> :) <adamant1988> yeah... I need to get some support for my kde install I preformed... <adamant1988> I wish gnome were more reliable... <matthewrevell> Dependig on we're talking to, it may be simpler to say Ubuntu, than confuse things. <adamant1988> but when I get the tires kicked in I can start on projects again <matthewrevell> adamant1988: Gnome's stable for me. <adamant1988> gnome didn't display like half of my programs, and it caused a very pretty hard-lock lastnight. <matthewrevell> adamant1988: If you need any help with the mailing list,let me know. <adamant1988> how should I title my post? <matthewrevell> adamant1988: We definitely need to get logo discussion etc onto it. <matthewrevell> adamant1988: Logo for Ubuntu Marketing Team ? <matthewrevell> :) <adamant1988> oh so none of that Volume 9, akdjfkajsdafjl 10 stuff? <matthewrevell> adamant1988: Lordy no :) <adamant1988> GOOD <adamant1988> I'll make a post then <matthewrevell> Cool. <adamant1988> I wonder if making an olympic chain out of the ubuntu logos would be a bad thing?? <matthewrevell> Not everoyne can access IRC or is in the channel when things are discussed. <matthewrevell> adamant1988: Nice idea :) Not sure it would scale, though, and it might look a bit derivative. <adamant1988> I could make it scale just fine. <kgoetz> adamant1988: canonical policy is to not allow rotating the logo if thats an issue <mindspin> the olympic chain is kinda copyrighted.. so be careful <adamant1988> or we could link them in some fashion... idk... I'm posting... lol. <matthewrevell> adamant1988: Could you make it so that the logos were recognisable when the whole logo got quite small? I'm not talking about it pixelating but more that the individual logos would be too small to see what they were, possibly, at small size <adamant1988> how small are we talking? <adamant1988> I design at 64x64 usually <kgoetz> adamant1988: you should make it 'full sized' vector and scale it down <adamant1988> I usually work at the opposite... I work for the 'lowest common denominator' which is 9/10 that some logo is going to be made itsy bitsy for a website. <matthewrevell> adamant1988: As kgoetz says, it'd need to be technically vector but the point is that as a logo, in doing its job, it needs to be recognisable when it's big or small. Too much detail and it might just look like some rings. <matthewrevell> That's not say I'm against the idea of linking them <matthewrevell> I just wonder if for simplicity, any logo should be based on the main Ubuntu one. <adamant1988> idk... that policy makes me feel like a traitor using kubuntu.. I don't like it. <adamant1988> I actually wish Kubuntu wasn't a seperate version of ubuntu <kgoetz> :%s/wasnt a/didnt act like a <adamant1988> ??? * digitalmouse is now known to be asleep, or working... or some such nonsense <kgoetz> lol <adamant1988> lol <jenda> aloha <kgoetz> gday <matthewrevell> hey <matthewrevell> jenda: I thought you were away for a few more days. Welcome back! <jenda> matthewrevell: back for a day ;) <matthewrevell> Ah <kgoetz> you went away? <jenda> over 200 mails.. <matthewrevell> I see * kgoetz wondered where you were <jenda> and kgoetz didn't even notice... <kgoetz> jenda: only 200 :P <jenda> kgoetz: successful spam filtering ;) <jenda> matthewrevell: did you handle stanz? <kgoetz> lol jenda <matthewrevell> jenda: I don't remember having a need to handle stanz. Erm, I'm confused. <jenda> got him <jenda> he posted on the mailing list, not very happy about being deactivated. <jenda> I'm activating him now. <matthewrevell> Ah right, I see :) <matthewrevell> Sorry, thought he'd be re-activated already, for some reason. <jenda> :) np <jenda> ah, now the MT mailing list... will be interesting, I presume? <matthewrevell> :) There's a bit of discussion. <matthewrevell> Unfortunately, a weekend with a dead laptop and too many other things to do meant that I haven't been able to do all I hoped. <matthewrevell> bug #43722 <matthewrevell> sorry, wrong window <kgoetz> heh <jenda> anyone seen coopster? <jenda> bbl <matthewrevell> jenda: No, sorry. <nixternal> moins to all <nixternal> anyone having issues sending with gmail accounts? <adamant1988> hello all. <KenSentMe> hi <adamant1988> nixternal, that is the LAST time I let you talk me into anything. <adamant1988> I spent all morning removing and repairing things that Kubuntu-desktop broke =\ <jenda> hello nixternal, KenSentMe <jenda> ... gnomefreak <gnomefreak> jenda: <jenda> and welcome to the team, adamant1988 ;) <gnomefreak> ty ;) <gnomefreak> i have an interview for a marketing job (i have to call and set it up) i found that ironic as hell <jenda> cool ;) <jenda> I hope it ain't the job for Canonical, bucause I'd strangle you in envy. <gnomefreak> lol <gnomefreak> no some sports company * gnomefreak has to learn marketing really fast too lol <adamant1988> thanks jenda :) <adamant1988> Jenda, I have an idea for the logo and this is strictly an idea because I'm not sure what's within the realm of legality concerning the Ubuntu logo. <jenda> adamant1988: anything is if the big C approves. <jenda> but, sure, shoot ;) <gnomefreak> im not real sure keeping ubuntu and edubuntu the same (but im still thinking on them) <adamant1988> What I was thinking was that we could take a stock ubuntu logo, and 'map' a map onto it. <gnomefreak> define map <adamant1988> It would look like an ubuntu logo cut out of a vector based map. map as in globe. <adamant1988> but by mapping I mean overlaying. As in any part that isn't covering the logo isn't visible. <adamant1988> it would be scalable, because the stock map would be vector to start with. if neccessary we could frankenstein the edubuntu, kubuntu, and ubuntu logos together <adamant1988> and with edubuntu we could just use the part that shows the student holding up their hand. <Burgwork> uhh, we really don't need a logo <Burgwork> talking about a logo distracts us from more important things, like actually marketing <adamant1988> I know, but I was asked to make one <gnomefreak> Burgwork: in a sense i agree but to beable to label something (say fliers/newspapers/whatever it may be) witha logo would be nice <adamant1988> A logo would be important if we needed people to remember us as an organization. <adamant1988> But, and this is just my opinion, our goal is to market Ubuntu, not the marketing team. <Burgwork> gnomefreak, yep, that logo would be the Ubuntu one <Burgwork> we already have one <Burgwork> the organization people should be remembering in Ubuntu, not the Ubuntu marketing team <adamant1988> precisely Burgwork :) <adamant1988> btw, I haven't been keeping up too much with the mailing list because I haven't learned how to reply and such and I don't seem to actually receive any emails other than the digests. <adamant1988> but have we decided who our target market(s) are going to be? <Burgwork> everybody <Burgwork> people should work on a segment that interests them <Burgwork> ie: home users, schools, libraries, corporatinos <adamant1988> IMO the home users are the greatest challenge. <adamant1988> there's plenty to offer school, and there's plenty to offer big business.. <adamant1988> But for the average home user who's main concern is features, Ubuntu is a step down from windows... <Burgwork> stop thinking like that <nixternal> an average home user just uses email and internet <Burgwork> exactly <adamant1988> and watches stupid videos on youtube <Burgwork> for the corporate stuff, we need case studies and things like that <nixternal> Ubuntu would never be a step down in that instance..but a step up <nixternal> no viruses, no spyware, and no malware <Burgwork> for the home user, we need fancy brochures <nixternal> Ubuntu might be an issue for the avid gamer <jenda> Burgwork: hello <adamant1988> In that respect yeah. But I think we should somehow 'market' easyubuntu as well... home users are going to notice when their flash games stop working... * jenda runs ;) <adamant1988> or automatix or w/e <jenda> Please don't mention automatix while I'm here ) <adamant1988> soft spot huh? <jenda> You'll have a whole week to talk about it starting two days from now :) <jenda> But not now ;) <jenda> Yes indeed, very soft. <adamant1988> ok, I'll just use easyubuntu as a coverall then. <Burgwork> hey jenda, how are you <jenda> ;) <jenda> Burgwork: a little rushed <Burgwork> adamant1988, as the official marketing team, we should avoid talkinga bout non-official solutions <jenda> Burgwork: hope you don't mind anything that happened around <Burgwork> no, I have just got back in the office, been on the road for almost three weeks <adamant1988> yeah... <adamant1988> I just see it as a potential problem.... * jenda will have to give some thought to the unofficial resources <Burgwork> ignore it <Burgwork> that is what the documentation is for * jenda has been fighting unoff. resources at the official Czech forum for some time. <Burgwork> marketing is talking about what is great, not what sucks <jenda> BTW: * jenda is a member of the easyubuntu team as well, so /me isn't too impartial on this <Burgwork> jenda, have you seen the spec about making easyubuntu/automatix/etc. obsolete? <jenda> Burgwork: prolly not...? <adamant1988> marketing is the act of persuasion. You want people to be 100% convinced that they're making the 'right choice' they're going to feel a little side-swiped if all of the sudden they can't listen to their music collection or play that rediculous flash game they're in love with. <Burgwork> nope <Burgwork> they will not be <Burgwork> marketing about getting their attention <Burgwork> sales is about persuasion <jenda> +1 <adamant1988> My bad, I confuse the two sometimes <Burgwork> they are very similar <jenda> It's easy to confuse that - thanks for the good wording, Burgwork <Burgwork> in the open source world, we don't have a sales teams <adamant1988> I was on the 'marketing team' for a few webites that relied on ad-revenue... so basically marketing and sales were one in the same for me =\ <Burgwork> hence why we need two kinds of marketing (grabbing stuff and selling stuff) <Burgwork> the grabbing stuff needs to be short and sweet <Burgwork> think apple ad <Burgwork> the selling stuff is primarily our website, but is also things like case studies and more indepth feature demos <adamant1988> so Burgwork what is this spec about easyubuntu and all being absolete? <adamant1988> erm <adamant1988> obsolete... <jenda> Burgwork: linky? <Burgwork> making them
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