#ubuntu-testing 2009-02-01 <tsuru> does anyone know if the latest nvidia drivers work in the latest jaunty? <kyselejsyrecek> tsuru: I believe not. see bug 308410 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 308410 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-96 "Latest Xorg removes nvidia driver ... conflicting xserver-xorg-video-4" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/308410 <tsuru> thanks kyselejsyrecek <kyselejsyrecek> tsuru: you are welcome #ubuntu-testing 2009-02-02 <davmor2> Morning everybody <davmor2> morning ara_ how's berlin? <ara_> hey davmor2: chilly :-) <davmor2> -2 feels like -7.2 here oh and snowing :) <ara_> davmor2: ;-) <davmor2> is anyone in bug control? <davmor2> ara_: are you in bug control (can you set importance on bugs) <ara_> davmor2: yes <davmor2> bug 324230 Riddell asked if I could set it to high but I can't :( could you please <ubot4> Launchpad bug 324230 in kdebase-runtime "nepomukservicestub crashed with SIGSEGV in librdf_hash_put()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/324230 <ara_> davmor2: done <davmor2> Ta :) <davmor2> cr3: just the man. are you in berlin? <cr3> davmor2: yep, what's up? <davmor2> I need hardware support on testing the deprecation of acpi-support <davmor2> (09:23:19) slangasek: on the asus, running jaunty, could you run sudo service acpid stop and test your hotkeys, and let me know which ones work and which ones don't? <davmor2> I can't help out here with this one can you guys? <cr3> davmor2: I don't really have an asus though <davmor2> hang on <davmor2> (09:22:13) slangasek: davmor2: do you happen to have any panasonic, asus, sony, toshiba, or IBM laptop hardware? :) <davmor2> cr3: sorry I thought I had included the list <cr3> davmor2: yeah, he made an announcement earlier today but I can't help from berlin :) <davmor2> :( D'oh <cr3> davmor2: that's alright, I'll try to get that kind of testing done when I get back <davmor2> cr3: :) Yay <cr3> davmor2: was slangasek asking for hibernation/suspend or the Fn keys? the latter was requeted by pitti <davmor2> hotkeys <cr3> I just don't have IBM nor panasonic laptops. I actually have an asus and the others though <davmor2> cr3: Nevermind then <slangasek> cr3: hopefully, by the time you're back I'll have all of the acpi-support stuff sorted and uploaded, and you can QA it :) <cr3> slangasek: yay! mucho gracias #ubuntu-testing 2009-02-03 <ara> morning davmor2 <davmor2> morning ara <davmor2> Meh not a good day for testing :( Kubuntu and xubuntu are broke <stgraber> doh, that's a bad start :) <davmor2> stgraber: Missing dep on kubuntu (that shouldn't be there), and xubuntu is in conflict :) <davmor2> gamin and fam <ara_> yes jpds, I've seen that. thanks :) <jpds> ara_: If you need another version, just poke me. <jpds> sponsored* <ara_> jpds: ;-) cool <davmor2> nn #ubuntu-testing 2009-02-04 <slangasek> candidate ISOs posted for alpha-4 <slangasek> stgraber: could you trim mythbuntu alternate off the tracker? It's no longer built, with no intention by the mythbuntu team of bringing it back <ara> morning davmor2 <davmor2> morning ara hows things going in Berlin? <ara> davmor2: good, good so far :) <davmor2> cool :) <stgraber> slangasek: ok, I'll add that to my list. What was that other request you had ? I remember it was renaming something to Ubuntu Netbook Remix, which one was that ? <slangasek> stgraber: I think it's UMPC needs renamed to UNR <slangasek> yes <davmor2> slangasek: ignore the red bug from kagou it's an annoyance more than anything else I wouldn't of said it was show stopping. I think it would be if it was the same by alpha 5 <slangasek> davmor2: what bug is that? <davmor2> bug 324807 it's my green bug on the other installs <ubot4> Launchpad bug 324807 in gnome-utils "Jaunty: Ubutnu now has both gnome volume and pulse sound on the panel" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/324807 <davmor2> cr3: are you in a position to run an alt install test at all? <davmor2> ara: ^ <cr3> davmor2: I could, but probably not today <davmor2> cr3: it's okay now slangasek has confirmed it but thanks :) <davmor2> charlie-tca: hello <charlie-tca> Hello <charlie-tca> How's things today? <davmor2> busy :) <davmor2> I don't know about xubuntu I haven't got off Ubuntu yet <ara> davmor2: sorry, I was away <davmor2> ara: np's slangasek confirmed the issue so it's okay now ta :) <davmor2> charlie-tca: don't try testing wubi there is a new python version going in after a4 so it's not been updated <charlie-tca> Can't anyway. I don't have a copy of windows. <davmor2> :) <davmor2> schwuk: ping <schwuk> davmor2: whassup? <davmor2> did you get my email about the wiki and /!\ symbols <davmor2> schwuk: ^ <schwuk> davmor2: fixed <davmor2> cool ta * davmor2 moves onto Kubuntu <schwuk> davmor2: splitter <davmor2> Dave Murphy: Only cause I done the ubuntu desktop installs :P <davmor2> schwuk: while your there ask around and find out if anyone uses the landscape option on expert install would you ta :) <davmor2> stgraber: is it me or is the tracker on a go slow? <charlie-tca> It's not you, davmor2 <davmor2> charlie-tca: mind you I think the whole of lp is too :( <charlie-tca> Not even close to the tracker slowdown. I can get 5-6 bugs to come up while waiting <davmor2> true :( <stgraber> davmor2: it's on the same box as brainstorm ... will be better once it's been moved to the QA box <davmor2> stgraber: Ah okay :) #ubuntu-testing 2009-02-05 <ara> morning davmor2 <davmor2> Morning ara <ara> davmor2: ping <davmor2> pong <ara> davmor2: we are going to do a bit of testcase migration for the next couple of hours (the whole qa team at berlin). can you please be around to send assignments and help us as we go? <davmor2> testing netboot but yeah. I think the best bet will be to work on the apps. <davmor2> ara: I've mostly finished the installers and have just got to modify the last few. <davmor2> ara: heno put a new template linked to from the new wiki home page * ara editing /Applications to add links * ara moves Ubuntu/Applications/DiskUsageAnalyzer to /Applications/DiskUsageAnalyzer <bdmurray> so Testing/Cases/Apport already exists should it stay in that name space or move to System/Apport ? <davmor2> bdmurray: the apport would need to move to system. You might then need to just update it to include any new feature and how to use them <bdmurray> Rename doesn't show up in the More Actions menu <davmor2> schwuk: ^ <davmor2> schwuk: don't worry I forgot I can do it D'oh * ara moves /Ubuntu/Applications/Terminal to /Applications/Terminal and reformats <davmor2> ara, schwuk: am I missing something I rename the page System/Apport that should be enough to move the page too shouldn't it? <ara> davmor2: yes <ara> davmor2: but not between wikis <ara> davmor2: only internally <davmor2> I forgot to put the link in D'oh <davmor2> bdmurray: there you go dude * ara moves Ubuntu/Applications/GEdit to /Application/TextEditor <davmor2> meh wasn't expect heno to be working on the installers :D <bdmurray> Is System/Apport properly formatted now? <davmor2> bdmurray: I added the ##startcases and ##endcases looks okay though <davmor2> ta <bdmurray> Does editmoin work w/ testcases for anyone? <davmor2> bdmurray: pass schwuk is main admin and ara next they'll be the best people to ask <ara> bdmurray: I haven't tried it myself <davmor2> ara, bdmurray: I just realise you used the whole name for the apport testcase aren't we only using 3 letters? <ara> bdmurray: it wasn't me :D <bdmurray> I've no idea <ara> bdmurray: we use a 3 letter code per application <ara> i.e. apport would be app-001 for the first testcase <bdmurray> schwuk: editmoin is failing with testcases.qa.ubuntu.com due to a connection time out <bdmurray> okay, fixing <ara> bdmurray: are you trying to reach t.q.u.c via https:// ? <ara> bdmurray: becuase it wouldn't work <bdmurray> okay, that's better too <sbeattie> So where should the server app testcases go? Applications? System? <sbeattie> (e.g. LAMP, postgres, postfix/mail) <davmor2> hmmmm <davmor2> sbeattie: I'd be inclined to say that the amp bit of lamp were all applications of the server edition <davmor2> check with heno to be certain but I would go for apps we can always move them <mathiaz> slangasek: -server amd64 is good. * slangasek dances <sbeattie> hrm, okay, I can break out a separate applications page for each of the components, but the server team will want to make sure the aggregate tasksel selections get all the components; e.g. selecting LAMP gets apache, mysql, and php installed and running. <davmor2> slangasek: netboot ubuntu and kubuntu covered <slangasek> davmor2: thanks <davmor2> I'm off nn #ubuntu-testing 2009-02-06 <ogasawara> schwuk: bring me your laptop <ogasawara> schwuk: you're the last I have to check off the list <schwuk> ogasawara: Can I bring it after our roadmap session? <ogasawara> schwuk: sure <schwuk> ogasawara: ok <davmor2> Good Morning all <sbeattie> hey davmor2 <davmor2> sbeattie: how's the sprint going for you? <davmor2> yay just expert and keep home to go :) will have to wait till after though I'm off <davmor2> ara: wish everyone good trips home form me please :) #ubuntu-testing 2009-02-07 <jlc> !selinux <ubot4> SELinux is available on Ubuntu, but not officially supported. Ubuntu uses another security framework by default, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AppArmor #ubuntu-testing 2009-02-09 <ara> morning all :-) <davmor2> Morning ara <ara> morning davmor2 :) <davmor2> You back home now? <ara> davmor2: yep <davmor2> ara: now the important one did you have a productive week, last week? <ara> davmor2: sure! lots of work done, lots of decisions made :) <davmor2> :) * ara takes a break <davmor2> schwuk: got back okay then dude :) <schwuk> davmor2: yup! * davmor2 working on Install/AlternateExpert and may be some time :( <cr3> nagappan: thanks for the subscription to the desktop-testing-list! <davmor2> Finally finished expert install :) <ara> davmor2: \o/ <davmor2> ara: still have alt keep home before it's complete. :) <davmor2> ara: A mere 73 steps to your perfect install <ara> davmor2: :D <davmor2> ara: and I thought manual install went on for a bit <davmor2> stgraber: ping <stgraber> davmor2: pong <davmor2> stgraber: Sorry forgot to cancel. I couldn't get access to the Kubuntu hardy tests. I found out I wasn't logged in D'oh <stgraber> hehe <davmor2> stgraber: has someone from the kubuntu team got onto you about tracker? <stgraber> nope <stgraber> I have a mythbuntu and a UNR change to do, nothing from kubuntu <davmor2> I think he wanted a tracker of his own for kubuntu apps <stgraber> ah <davmor2> obviously not then :) <stgraber> davmor2: I'm debugging that LTSP install bug now <davmor2> stgraber: cool :) don't know what happened with it <stgraber> ogra thinks it's a d-i bug, I'll have a look <davmor2> stgraber: I think it was working the week before <stgraber> doing standard install on an installed box works fine, so it's something to do with the installer <davmor2> standard installs are working fine. it was only ltsp on 32 and 64 that were major issues oh and wubi <davmor2> but that's being re-written so that has an excuse :) <ara> stgraber: ping <stgraber> ara: pong <ara> stgraber: which was the URL to post to the QA blog? <stgraber> ara: http://blog.qa.ubuntu.com/node/add/story <ara> stgraber: thanks :) <nagappan> cr3, sure :) <Iain8> Are the alpha4 CDs live CDs? <charlie-tca> Iain8: The desktop cd is a LiveCD <Iain8> Thanks <charlie-tca> no problem. <ara> stgraber: ping <stgraber> ara: pong <ara> stgraber: hey seb, one question, do you know if the team's blog is on the planet? <ara> stgraber: I posted a new entry (http://blog.qa.ubuntu.com/node/28) and it is not appearing on the planet <stgraber> it's <ara> is it? <ara> :) <stgraber> well, at least I saw your post in my google reader :) <ara> it is weird, because visiting planet.ubuntu.com does not show it <stgraber> planet is subscribed to http://blog.qa.ubuntu.com/rss.xml and I see your post there ... weird <ara> stgraber: maybe is a synchro problem, we will see tomorrow <stgraber> yeah, if it doesn't show up, you can try to update the publication date on the blog or contact IS to see what went wrong <ara> stgraber: I'll wait until tomorrow morning my time, and then proceed if it does not show up. thanks for your help <jpds> I don't see any problems in the planet's config changes... <stgraber> jpds: that's weird because the RSS also looks good ... <jpds> stgraber: C'est vrai. #ubuntu-testing 2009-02-10 <ara> morning all :-) * ara -> lunch #ubuntu-testing 2009-02-11 <thomasdelbeke> Hi guys <thomasdelbeke> server down? <thomasdelbeke> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ <thomasdelbeke> http://paste.ubuntu.com/116627/ <thomasdelbeke> http://paste.ubuntu.com/116629/ <charlie-tca> If you use the browser to go there, there are no alternate images today <thomasdelbeke> I know ... <thomasdelbeke> rsync don't work either ... <thomasdelbeke> I was gonna file bug <charlie-tca> rsync fails if the images are not there <thomasdelbeke> rsync -zhhP rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/jaunty-alternate-i386.iso ~/Desktop/rsync/jaunty-alternate-i386.iso <thomasdelbeke> yeah! <thomasdelbeke> hehe <thomasdelbeke> anyway <thomasdelbeke> just wanted to report <thomasdelbeke> thanks for feedback! <thomasdelbeke> cu <charlie-tca> Thank you <ara> morning all :) <ara> persia, I am around, in case you need help with the testcases wiki <persia> ara, Good morning. Could you start with just an overview of what goes where, and how that interacts with the ISO tracker? <ara> persia: about the interaction with the ISO tracker, I have no clue. Better wait for schwuk to wake up, or If you're offline by the time he logs in, I will ask him for you <ara> persia: if you go to http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/ you can see, more or less, the structure <ara> persia: in applications you have to add test cases for the application, following the template at http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/TestCaseTemplate <ara> i.e. Nautilus: http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Applications/Nautilus <ara> persia: you have to choose a 3-letter code per application, and then one number per test case (i.e. for nautilius: nfm-001, nfm-002,...) <persia> So, to add a new flavour, I'd add test cases for each of the applications concerned under Applications, and then link to them from a flavour page? <persia> Also, what's the filter for separation between "Applications" and "System"? <ara> persia: system is supposed to be for things that are better fitted for the System menu, rather than the Applications menu <ara> persia: about the flavour, yes, you can add one more to the home page, and then links (or includes) to other things under applications, system or install (for type of installations) <persia> Would that also extend to things under "Preferences" where there aren't that class of menus? <ara> persia: yes, I would do that way <persia> For the installer tests, is it safe to assume "Desktop" means LiveCD? <ara> persia: yes, that is what it means :-) the iso name says "desktop" :) <persia> Well, not all of them :) http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mid/daily-live/current/jaunty-mid-lpia.img doesn't have "Desktop" <ara> persia: :-) <ara> persia: you can request then a change of name in the wiki to be more "all flavours" compliant <persia> To whom would that request be directed? <persia> Also, I see a link from Applications to Applications/EvolutionMail and a link from Ubuntu/Applications to Ubuntu/Applications/Evolution <persia> Is there a guide as to which sort of naming scheme is correct? <ara> persia: mmm, I don't think there is a guide yet, let me try to find something. but the correct path is Applications/<application>, but we are still migrating those with the wrong path <persia> So "Ubuntu/Applications/Evolution" is wrong and "Applications/EvolutionMail" is correct? <ara> persia: yes <persia> Also, there are a couple situations where I would expect to request different sets of per-application tests for different flavours. As an example, both Xubuntu and Ubuntu MID use thunar, but the use cases differ. How should this be indicated? <ara> mmm, persia, that's tricky. because at the beginning we decided to go for <flavour>/Applications/<application>, but then heno and davmor2 decided to go for the current one. I don't know why... could you ask them instead? <persia> Sure. Neither seems to be around just now, but probably in a couple hours, no? <ara> persia: davmor2 should be around in 30 min <persia> OK. Is there anything else you think I should know before I start drafting test cases? <ara> persia: you can have a look to the spec, in case it provides you with more information: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Specs/TestcaseWikiMigration <persia> Looking about, I realise I have one other question: what does the "Tester" column indicate on pages like "Ubuntu/Applications"? <ara> persia: that page is not longer valid, but it used to mean the person that was in charge of the migration from /Testing/Cases to the new wiki <persia> If that page isn't valid, how is one to link the individual test cases to a flavour set? <ara> persia: I guess (just guessing) that the same one (maybe without the tester column) should be ok <persia> That makes perfect sense. Thanks a lot. I'll start framing a flavour, and poke davmor2 about how to handle specific cases on a flavour basis when he shows up. <ara> persia: cool. I am subscribed to the whole wiki, if I see something weird, I'll let you know :) <persia> Thanks! <persia> davmor2, Good morning. ara says you understand about how to identify test cases for the testcase wiki. <davmor2> persia: I do indeed <davmor2> Why? <persia> So, I'm adding testing overviews for a couple more flavours, and wondered how to handle cases where the usage of an application differed due to differences in the environment (e.g. thunar for Xubuntu vs. Ubuntu MID). <persia> I'm guessing that each flavour only wants a subset of the test cases listed under the application, but I'm not sure how to indicate that. <davmor2> persia: Right at the minute the way things are working is as follows. <davmor2> 1: all applications go to /applications <davmor2> 2: you then make up a test plan under /testplans which pulls in the installation and apps you require testing <davmor2> 3: on the whole people won't test every app so pick between 3-5 (hopefully these will be randomised by a script schwuk is writing) <persia> Under /testplans? Is that /Plans? Also, how does that relate to the links on the front page to /Ubuntu and /Kubuntu? <davmor2> Tags for install cases are made up of xxx-111 where xxx=3 letters that tie into the case (eg ubiquity whole drive install becomes uwi) and 111 becomes 001 etc for each testnumber for each set of letters in a case <davmor2> persia: that was an old attempt that got dropped <persia> OK. So if I want to create a set of cases for a flavour, where should I start? <davmor2> persia: /testplans isn't in till we get some cases together <persia> that page doesn't exist yet <persia> So, I should wait? <davmor2> persia: look at /Install most of them are now complete <davmor2> persia: /testplans can just be added but at the moment there are no apps to put to it <persia> Right. /Install, /System, and /Applications all look sane. What I seek is more how to collect a set together to describe what needs testing for a given flavour. <davmor2> the general idea will be that the /testplan page just contains a whole bunch of includes lines <davmor2> I'll link to an old example for you <persia> Which would include specific test cases, or applications to test? <davmor2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Ubuntu/LiveCd/LiveSession Here is an example if you hit edit you'll get the drift <davmor2> persia: For us it means that we only need to update 1 test for an app rather than the entire testcase <persia> I see the advantage, and using includes makes sense. I'm just trying to understand how to generate the set of things to test for a specific flavour, and where to put it. <davmor2> Right so the way the test plans will work is thus. /Testplans/XubuntuLiveCd would be a page of plans that is just includes lines. It will pull in 1 Live cd install case + 3-5 apps that are specific to Xubuntu so thunar, thunderbird and abiword as examples <persia> OK. Now, how ought the differences in testing thunar for Xubuntu and Ubuntu MID be indicated? <davmor2> persia: None needed. The codebase is the same. However each testplan will have it's own test number. So thunar under XUB-001 thu-001 would be different to thunar under MID-001 thu-001 but all the results for thunar can be pulled together etc <davmor2> hope that makes sense it did in my head <persia> Now I'm very confused. Are there then two pages of thunar tests which are included? <davmor2> 3 pages of results can be drawn a test for thunar from results for thu-001 and then result for indvidual cases for xubuntu and mid <davmor2> need to go for a bit bbl <persia> OK. Catch me when you're back, as I still don't think I understand. I'll prep an example for discussion then. <davmor2> persia: ping <persia> davmor2, I've put together a small example that illustrates the two ways that I could understand the structure at http://paste.ubuntu.com/116733/ <persia> Are either of these correct, or are you envisioning something else? * davmor2 goes to smoke testing as doesn't want issues with testcase :) * ara -> lunch * davmor2 working lunch nothing better to do :) <cgregan> Does anyone out there have an Intrepid instance running in qemu with resolution over 800x600? #ubuntu-testing 2009-02-12 <ara> morning all :) <davmor2> Yay main bulk of installer testcase are in place now :) <ara> davmor2: \o/ congrats! * ara -> lunch * davmor2 lunch * davmor2 brb <nagappan> cr3, ping <cr3> nagappan: pong <nagappan> cr3, I think you maybe the right person to answer that question :) in desktop-testing-list <cr3> nagappan: all I'm seeing are congratulations on the list :) <nagappan> cr3, :) <nagappan> cr3, no just a new email <nagappan> cr3, [gnome-desktop-testing] LDTP and dogtail <cr3> nagappan: ara would be the best person but I could provide a short answer in a moment <nagappan> cr3, sure, thanks :) #ubuntu-testing 2009-02-13 <ara> morning all :) #ubuntu-testing 2009-02-16 <ara> morning all :-) <davmor2> Good Morning all :) <ara> morning davmor2 :) * ara takes a break * ara -> lunch * davmor2 lunch <davmor2> stgraber: installing now I'll let you know :) <stgraber> davmor2: ok, thanks * davmor2 ponders on whether encrypted home would be an issue for ltsp but decides to save that for another day <davmor2> stgraber: Bugger I can't test it the last release was the 16th I'll have a word around and see if we can get it fixed :) <davmor2> I'm losing the plot ignore me :) <davmor2> stgraber: yeap cd is borked so I'll try again tomorrow <stgraber> davmor2: k #ubuntu-testing 2009-02-17 <nags> cr3: ping <cr3> nags: pong <nags> cr3: I could not see Canonical office address in www.canonical.com, can you please send me in pvt chat <ara> morning all :) <davmor2> Good morning all * ara restarts * ara -> lunch <davmor2> 228 updates me thinks the cd builds may still be screwed * davmor2 lunch <cgregan> davmor2: In your email you mention that the FF icon is a blue globe. Is this correct? <davmor2> Yeap <NY152> bonsoir tout le monde :) <NY152> j'ai un soucis de mise Ã jour. le paquet language-pack-fr-base ne veut pas se mettre Ã jour dans update-manager (impossible de le cocher quand j'essais de forcer la chose dans le gestionnaire de paquet synaptics, voilÃ l'erreur que j'obtiens : .language-pack-fr-base: DÃ©pendÂ : language-pack-fr mais ne doit pas Ãªtre installÃ©. Une idÃ©e ? pour information le soucis se pose aussi avec f-spot ... #ubuntu-testing 2009-02-18 <persia> 8.10 or Jaunty? <NY152> Jaunty <NY152> persia une idÃ©e pour rÃ©soudre le probleme ? <persia> It's somewhat expected that some packages cannot be installed on any given day for Jaunty. <NY152> en francais ? <persia> I'd recommend just not upgrading the ones that are impossible today, and looking at them another day. <persia> Mon francais est insuffisant :( <NY152> f-spot ca fait 15 jours qu'il est dans ce cas la ... <persia> Yes. That was just being discussed in #ubuntu-devel. Waiting on several more packages to build for a transition. <NY152> ok <NY152> persia merci :) <thewrath> hello all are you there? <thewrath> i would like to do testing for ubuntu <persia> thewrath, Welcome. Anything in particular that you would like to test? <thewrath> i like running the server edition actually <thewrath> i run everytrhing through a vm at teh moment <thewrath> if you tell me there is an issue with x i wil go and do my best to test x fully to my k nowledge <persia> Well, there's three sorts of testing that need doing for servers. <thewrath> okay <thewrath> i just recently got back into linux/unix actually <thewrath> so i thought i would jump in and help out <persia> Firstly, there's an install CD created every day, on cdimage.ubuntu.com, and it can be checked to make sure it works, and run through the standard server testcases. <thewrath> i am going to guess that you have the testcases on a list? <persia> Secondly, there's always some stable-release updates in queue, and they need testing to verify the bug, verify the fix, and verify that the fix doesn't impact anything else. <persia> Thirdly, there's a lot of benefit in running the development release, and identifying issues as they arise so they can be addressed in a timely manner. <thewrath> okay <persia> You can find testcases for the installations from iso.qa.ubuntu.com <thewrath> i mean def running dvelopment releases <persia> There's a special effort to test images before each milestone, but extra testing rarely hurts. <thewrath> i am currently on the dev for joomlapack <persia> For the stable release updates, there's a testcase registered with each bug. <thewrath> k <persia> For regular testing of the development release, it's more freeform: the idea being to test it to do things you need done, and report bugs as you discover them. <thewrath> i would like to proabbly do that first <thewrath> what do people usuallyu start out with <thewrath> jw <persia> Depends on their interest. I don't think there's a usually. <persia> There's also meta-work for testing, like drafting testcases, and the like, but it's probably worth doing some testing first, to become more familiar with the testing tools, etc. <persia> Also to get an understanding for the various people involved in testing, and what sorts of things they do. <thewrath> if i see this right on teh si.qa.ubuntu.com webstie under ubuntu alt i386 there are 2 bugs but 14 tests? <persia> Rather, for the last milestone, of the 14 tests, two bugs were discovered during the exercise of the test suite. <thewrath> sorry about earlier there i had a network issue with the server on campus i connect to <thewrath> 11/14 (1) <thewrath> i would like to do some developmental testing <thewrath> i mean i like to set up webservers, ssh, etc <thewrath> i am a networker by design but web guru by heart lol <persia> In that case, install jaunty, and do your setups and hacking. Report any bugs you find. <persia> You may also find the folk in #ubuntu-bugs helpful in getting good bugs reported, and making sure they are confirmed and tracked appropriately. <thewrath> okay <thewrath> y do i get told to anyone that i am a "beta" tester <thewrath> jw <persia> If you're primarily testing the server, it may also be interesting to spend time in #ubuntu-server: lots of users and developers congregate there. <persia> If you start testing jaunty today, you're an "alpha" tester :) It's not even close to beta yet. <thewrath> oh ok <thewrath> i would say so 100+ <thewrath> is jaunty desktop out for alpha? <thewrath> the one place that i might get hired after college is running alot of linux <thewrath> i think they said red hat enterprise but i think they have some ubuntu stuff <persia> Alphas are available. <thewrath> ok <persia> Dailies too. <thewrath> ? <persia> Those also need testing. <thewrath> oh ok <thewrath> where do i get the alpha downloads and the daily downloads at? <persia> I do recommend that as you get started you target one specific area, and then expand. It's a lot easier to get involved that way. <persia> cdimage.ubuntu.com <thewrath> so just start out with testing the alpha version of server then? <persia> That might be a good place. There's another alpha due out on the 26th, and it will be fairly active here making sure we get all the test cases covered for that. It's worth testing now, and learning the processes and tools (and registering for an account on qa.ubuntu.com). <persia> Then, early next week you can be part of the big push. <thewrath> so tomorrow when i am at work (computer lab asst, just make sure no one kils the computers literally) is go and download the alpha release form here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/20090217/ and then register for an alexanderlisa@example.com? <persia> That's the daily release. The alpha would be under ubuntu-server/releases/ <thewrath> ok <persia> You could register for an account now if you like. <thewrath> k <thewrath> i was headed to bed soon <persia> Note that testing the dailies and testing the alphas is mostly the same, except the alpha testing gets reported to the tracker. <thewrath> long day at career fair and gfs health issues <persia> Ah. Sleep well then. <thewrath> there is no /ubuntu-server/releases <thewrath> nvm <thewrath> there are nothing under releases <thewrath> no active isos * persia hunts <persia> Ah. server doesn't appear to have released any alphas: they would be in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/releases/jaunty/ <thewrath> nothing in there either <persia> RIght. <thewrath> so where would i get the first alpha at so i can start testing? <persia> May as well start with a daily, if you want to help with the alpha testing next week. <thewrath> ok <thewrath> bc of some work schedules and wat not <thewrath> is testing the server or the desktop easier? <persia> Depends on how you do it. I think it's about the same, but it's very different. <thewrath> k <thewrath> i will try server tomorrow <thewrath> then try desktop <persia> Excellent! <thewrath> i can not download isos when i am at home though <thewrath> they take forever since i have 256k dsl <thewrath> we are brainstorming for the release of ubuntu in 2010? <persia> We're working on the release for April right now. <thewrath> oh ok <thewrath> i just saw stuff on brainstorming for redesign ubuntu for 2010 <thewrath> where would i find the ideas for 9.04? <thewrath> think i found it <thewrath> if i stand correct ubuntu 8.10 does not work on wpa2 enterprise wireless correct? <persia> No idea, actually. <thewrath> persia: is there an alpha release of desktop or no? <persia> I believe there are several. <thewrath> persia: the issue i talked to you about the wpa2 enterprise wireless is an issue USA wide <persia> Well, it's probably worth checking for a bug then, and following it. <thewrath> what would i need to do to confirm the bug? <persia> First, find it, then check the /topic of #ubuntu-bugs for some guides on bug management. <ara> morning all :) * ara takes a break * ara -> lunch <davmor2> stgraber: ping * davmor2 away <stgraber> davmor2: pong <thewrath> hey all <davmor2> stgraber: Yay back :) <davmor2> Where does ltsp store the img is it /opt? <stgraber> /opt/ltsp/images/ <davmor2> you might want to take a look at the latest cd then /opt/ is empty <davmor2> do you want a copy of the syslog? <stgraber> is that /opt on the installed system ? <davmor2> stgraber: /opt on the server side yes <stgraber> weird, and you correctly saw the chroot building during the install ? <davmor2> No that's why I looked in opt and then chased up to confirm I'll drop syslog onto my server <davmor2> stgraber: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/syslog <stgraber> davmor2: weird, ltsp-build-client hasn't started at all ... <stgraber> davmor2: saw #ubuntu-devel ? <stgraber> davmor2: the udeb isn't included in today's daily so ltsp just wasn't there <davmor2> :) D'oh <stgraber> hi heno <heno> hey stgraber :) <davmor2> heno: I'm starting on the apps section now and slowly ploding through everything <heno> davmor2: great :) <davmor2> heno: the ubuntu apps should be full by the next meeting hopefully * mrooney waves <mrooney> Is there any guide for making your own LDTP tests and contributing them, or for your own application? <nagappan> mrooney, you can start with this http://download.freedesktop.org/ldtp/doc/ldtp-tutorial.pdf <nagappan> mrooney, you can ping ara as well :) <mrooney> Oh no we scared her! <nagappan> mrooney, :) <nagappan> mrooney, you can always redirect me, I'm the maintainer of LDTP <nagappan> I mean the questions <mrooney> nagappan: ahh okay, excellent! what about typos in the pdf? :) <nagappan> mrooney, sure, you are welcome to help me to correct them <nagappan> mrooney, I did that almost 2 years back, need to fix them <mrooney> nagappan: okay, well it looks like a quite useful document so far, I am happy it exists! I noticed on page 6 under Audience, "Its assumed that the us...." <mrooney> I believe that should be It's? <nagappan> mrooney, let me fix it now :) but can upload only from home <nagappan> mrooney, in VMware, we don't have direct access to external servers <mrooney> ah I see <nagappan> mrooney, fixed in my local copy, feel free to give your suggestion :) <mrooney> I guess I need to learn what defines an "accessibility enabled" application. <nagappan> mrooney, application that are written using QT / wxWidgets are not accessibility enabled as of now <nagappan> mrooney, applications written using gtk / Mozilla / Java Swing are a11y enabled <nagappan> mrooney, even in them, the custom widget controls has to be a11y enabled by the developer <nagappan> mrooney, which will expose the property of widget / object <mrooney> oh no my app is written in wxPytho <mrooney> as the developer are there things I can do to make it more testable in LDTP? <nagappan> mrooney, if the application written using gtk / Java Swing / Mozilla XUL, then yes you can, otherwise the underlying framework (toolkit) should support <mrooney> well, it is written in wxPython <mrooney> which is GTK on Linux <mrooney> well I will read more of this wonderful PDF and see what I can learn :) <nagappan> mrooney, sure <nagappan> cr3, to get a fix like this inside Ubuntu 8.10 will take time ? http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=561631 this is under gtk+ component of gnome <ubot4> Gnome bug 561631 in gail "gailbutton.c:571:idle_do_action: code should not be reached" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] <cr3> nagappan: you really mean 8.10 by requesting an sru? <nagappan> cr3, we need this for our automated testing <nagappan> cr3, yes, we have our VMware workstation test regularly running on 8.04 <nagappan> cr3, we want to upgrade to 8.10 <nagappan> cr3, due to that bug, we are struck <cr3> nagappan: the person to talk to for an sru would be slangasek <nagappan> cr3, ok <nagappan> slangasek, ping <nagappan> cr3, thanks for the info :) <slangasek> um, the process to follow is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates <slangasek> talking to me is orthogonal :) <cr3> love that word! <nagappan> slangasek, :) <NY152> bonsoir tout le monde :) <bdmurray> Anybody have a wubi install on a fat32 parition? #ubuntu-testing 2009-02-19 <ara> morning all :) <davmor2> Morning All by the way :) (greeting on a go slow today) <ara> davmor2: hey! * ara takes a break to prepare coffee <davmor2> Hmmm COFFEE Hmmmmm * ara -> lunch <davmor2> schwuk: ping <schwuk> davmor2: sup? <davmor2> Dave Murphy: Do you know how to setup vpn inside of n-m? <schwuk> davmor2: I've done it before, but I wouldn't say I know how. <davmor2> Meh :( <NY152> bonjour <davmor2> hello <davmor2> ara: nice write up :) <ara> davmor2: ta :) <manjo> cr3, ping <cr3> manjo: pong, hey dude! <manjo> cr3, how is lovely montreal ? <cr3> manjo: snowy, it's great <manjo> cr3, I have a Q abt the cert suite <cr3> manjo: shoot! <manjo> when it reports back the results does it use port 8080 ? <manjo> or some other port ? <cr3> it reports to the certification website which runs under https, 443 <manjo> crap <cr3> it supports proxying though, http_proxy and https_proxy environment variables <manjo> I have a situation on a server I am trying to certify where its hooked up to external network but all ports except 8080 are blocked <manjo> so I cant shh etc to outside world <manjo> only web traffic will go thro <cr3> manjo: it's got to have a proxy on the network <manjo> right I need to figure that out <manjo> cr3, cool that is what I wanted to know I might ping you again later <cr3> manjo: try telneting to port 3128 on the gateway, that might give you a quick answer * manjo makes a note <cr3> the proxy isn't necessarily on the gateway, obviously, but it's a shot in the dark <manjo> cr3, I need to install https://certification.canonical.com/download/checkbox-compatibility_0.2_all.deb right ? <cr3> manjo: yep, but if you're running the tests from remote, you'll need the cli which I don't think is available from that url <manjo> k. which I can get from <cr3> manjo: moment, trying to figure out where would be most appropriate... <cr3> manjo: man, I've been trying to figure out a proper way to centralize these packages and this might be a good time. how much time do you give me? <manjo> :) till tomorrow * manjo knows its too short <manjo> checkbox_cli ? <cr3> manjo: checkbox-compatibility-cli, it's not hidden under that download/ directory <bdmurray> davmor2: do you have a vfat wubi install? <davmor2> bdmurray: not at the moment. Is the new wubi in place? <davmor2> bdmurray: Why? <bdmurray> I've written a bug pattern to prevent filing of a certain bug report but really should test it before implementing it. ;-) <davmor2> bdmurray: does it need to be vfat or can it be ntfs? <bdmurray> davmor2: it needs to be vfat, I have an ntfs partition and couldn't recreate the bug <davmor2> bdmurray: I can set one up by by the time I get all the updates etc I'm not sure I'd have time to test. I can do it tomorrow for you if that is okay? <bdmurray> davmor2: absolutely, its not a huge hurry - its easy enough to duplicate the bugs after they come in <davmor2> bdmurray: Bugger global bug jam I won't be here :( I'll be in Birmingham <bdmurray> heh, next is fine too <bdmurray> er, next week is fine too <davmor2> bdmurray: Right I'll set it up monday morning in the mean time I'll find out if the new wubi is in Jaunty as it needs testing if it is anyway :) <davmor2> bdmurray: Otherwise I'll have to do and intrepid wubi install <bdmurray> any release on vfat would be fine <davmor2> bdmurray: Right I'll ping you monday afternoon and see if your about then :) <bdmurray> davmor2: great, thanks! <davmor2> np's #ubuntu-testing 2009-02-20 <nagappan> hi <nagappan> I have a file /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gdk-x11-2.0.pc <nagappan> how do I check from which deb this file got installed ? <ara> morning all :) #ubuntu-testing 2009-02-23 <tritium> Hello. I'm guessing the partitioner is common to ubuntu and mythbuntu. I've tested daily builds 2/16 through 2/22, and I can never get past the partitioner. <tritium> My setup is rather simple: 4 primary partitions (swap, / (ext3), /home (ext3), and /var/lib (XFS), setup manually. <tritium> Unless formatting a 1 TB drive takes longer than 24 hours, in which case I'm just not being patient enough. <tritium> The only way I was able to even run ubiquity today was to first install python-numpy, by the way. <tritium> Even going with the automatic partitioning just hangs. <ara> morning all :) <ara> Remember that today is an Ubuntu Testing Day! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/UbuntuTestingDay/20090223 <eeejay> ara: I remember! <davmor2> Good Morning All <ara> morning davmor2 <eeejay> http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Applications/Notification <davmor2> eeejay: What attached program? <ara> eeejay: cool test cases <eeejay> davmor2: Follow "Attachments" link on the top of the wiki page <eeejay> ara: I wrote them before I saw the actual spec, they could use some further work now that I have <ara> eeejay: I was thinking about doing a checkbox + notification-osd testing day next Monday: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/UbuntuTestingDay/20090302 <ara> eeejay: do you want to help? <eeejay> ara: Yes! Henrik told me it would be today, but I am glad it will be next week, don't feel ready yet. The testcases need wrk <davmor2> eeejay: Now the system is actually in Jaunty I think it would be better to tell tester to alter volume etc to trigger the notify-osd but it is a good testcase for what it is worth :) <ara> eeejay: OK. I will talk to Mirco today and I will be announcing the new testing day tomorrow if he agrees <eeejay> davmor2: i agree. although different kinds of notifications should be tested, the volume one just has a giant graphic, need to test the text too <eeejay> davmor2: if you could think of an easy way of bringing up a text notification.. <davmor2> eeejay: how about sending an email to yourself? disconnect wifi? I'm not sure what else is plugged into it. <eeejay> davmor2: there used to be a System->Preferences->Notification app <eeejay> davmor2: it was for notification-daemon (what we replaced), but it brought up test notifications <davmor2> eeejay: bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332014 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 332014 in notification-daemon ""Notification Settings" is available but has no effect when Notify OSD is used" [Medium,Triaged] <eeejay> davmor2: your quick! <davmor2> eeejay: spotted it a gbj on friday :) <davmor2> brb breakfast :) * ara takes a break to prepare coffee <davmor2> back <davmor2> eeejay: What does notify-osd plug into exactly? <eeejay> davmor2: how do you mean? <eeejay> davmor2: notify-osd implements the notification daemon spec, it is a dbus service <ara> already found 2 bugs on screen-profiles as part of the UTD <ara> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/screen-profiles/+bug/333189 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 333189 in screen-profiles "Selecting the plain profile might confuse the user when trying to change the configuration" [Undecided,New] <ara> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/screen-profiles/+bug/333180 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 333180 in screen-profiles "screen-profiles menu appears always I run screen" [Undecided,New] <davmor2> ara: can you add the url for the bugs page to the channel header? <davmor2> eeejay, ara: What I mean is which apps use it sorry. So one of the instant messaging services do correct? as does evolution (which I've seen in action) Wifi is meant to but I've not seen that yet :( and volume and brightness. Is that all or are there more? It might be an idea to have a word with mirco before next week to get a full list of apps that support notify-osd so they can all be tested to ensure that rele <eeejay> davmor2: don't want to take away the attention from screen.. but there is a list here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD * ara changed the topic of #ubuntu-testing to: Testing of Ubuntu | Please join us in the Ubuntu Testing Day! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/UbuntuTestingDay/20090223 | Wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing | Reports: http://qa.ubuntu.com <davmor2> eeejay: cool so tying the apps currently supported into the test plan is a great way to test notify-osd so an idea might be to use pidgin, evolution, rhythmbox, volume/brightness and wifi which I think would cover pretty much the whole range on text and icons that notify-osd would use is that a fair assumption? <eeejay> davmor2: yup! <eeejay> davmor2: the dillema I have (I am new at test creating), is how do you test collab apps like evolution and pidgin without a willing victim <davmor2> eeejay: the testcases are there for willing victims that's their job :) <eeejay> it would be nice if we had some sort of bot that would initiate conversations and participate in XMPP <eeejay> ah, but it would take two willing victims! <davmor2> eeejay: or someone with more than one test box I wonder what geek might fall into that category :) <eeejay> i keep on unwillingly starting more and more screen sessions <davmor2> ara: lvm sizing seems to be in place just running through the install to be certain <ara> davmor2: cool <davmor2> ara: ubiquity is screwed today :( so no live cd install tests bug 332978 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 332978 in ubiquity "missing dependency on python-numpy" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/332978 <ara> davmor2: :( <ara> davmor2: how was the lvm testing? <davmor2> just finished <davmor2> lowered it to 20% so should be much smaller but we will see :) <davmor2> meh fail <davmor2> ara: not having much fun here with 20% resize of lvm <ara> davmor2: :( * cjwatson reports for LVM assistance in the testing day as ordered :-) <davmor2> ara: by the looks of it I'll be working with keybuk and cjwatson to fix this lvm issue for a while just to keep you up to date :) <ara> davmor2: is there a bug number? <davmor2> maybe bug 332270 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 332270 in udev "udev repeatedly generates "change" events for the same block device(s)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/332270 <davmor2> might not be though <davmor2> part of what we're chasing I think <cjwatson> there's something a bit wrong with the LVM size question as well, although by and large I don't think these problems are its fault * ara -> lunch <bFoor> hey all so im reading the testing day wiki is the a set time for this to start? <davmor2> bFoor: It's started :) <davmor2> just jump in and get involved :) <ara> bFoor: if you have any questions, please, feel free to ask at any time <davmor2> morning cgregan <cgregan> morning davmor2 <bFoor> morning all <brunogirin> Hi everybody, I'm trying to do my share testing day by taking UNR for a spin on my EeePC 701 but as it's the first time I do so, I have a newbie question: what essential info would you like to see in a bug report? <charlie-tca> Here is a pretty good layout for the bug report: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Bug-Report-Layout <davmor2> charlie-tca: I know :) <brunogirin> Thanks charlie-tca! Bug report on its way :-) <bFoor> is today for any bug or are they wanting to test certain things? <davmor2> brunogirin: always check to see that there isn't already a report out there that you can add info to rather than creating a new one :) <brunogirin> davmor2: will do <charlie-tca> bFoor: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/UbuntuTestingDay/20090223#Which%20is%20the%20goal%20for%20this%20testing%20day? <bFoor> Thanks! <bFoor> wow this screen profile thing kicks ass <davmor2> ara: add bugs moving onto something more interesting instead :) <ara> davmor2: hehehe <davmor2> cjwatson: oh by the way see if the lvm removal tool works cleanly for you it locks up for me I knew there was something else <ara> brunogirin: also, cgregan is around, and he is the best person to help you testing the UNR images. Feel free to ask him ;-) <cjwatson> davmor2: which LVM removal tool? <davmor2> cjwatson: in the installer if it spots you have an lvm setup it triggers a screen to remove it even when you select whole drive installs <davmor2> cjwatson: taking a photo now <brunogirin> ara: no problem, all basics are working well so far but I'll ask him if I run into problems <ara> brunogirin: :) <manjo> cr3 ping <cjwatson> davmor2: photos rarely help me <cjwatson> davmor2: just logs will do, assuming the whole machine hasn't locked up <davmor2> it does <cjwatson> not my problem then :-) <cjwatson> whole machine locks up => kernel <davmor2> maybe not I just get a blue screen with grey bar at the bottom <davmor2> but this time it's gone through <cr3> manjo: pong, I have a conference call so I'll repong you in a bit <davmor2> cjwatson: I'll have a play with it after and see if I can get the logs for you :) <cjwatson> davmor2: to tell whether the whole machine has locked up, press Alt-F2 <cjwatson> if VT switching works, the kernel is still alive <davmor2> cjwatson: np's will do when I try to recreate it :) <davmor2> ara: you know the screen profiles is that actually necessary? <davmor2> in jaunty? <ara> davmor2: well, it is a new feature. it was agreed as spec + blueprint in the last uds <ara> davmor2: what do you mean by necessary? <ara> davmor2: I think it is very useful <davmor2> can you take a screenshot for me and I'll take one of screen running without profiles <davmor2> ara^ <ara> davmor2: sure <davmor2> ara: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/screen.html <ara> davmor2: I sent mine to you by email <davmor2> ara: that's without the sudo apt-get install screen-profiles <davmor2> so they are the same then ponders on the difference between the 2 <ara> no, you have the bottom line with information, and you have options to scroll back and create new windows <ara> have you read the test case? <ara> davmor2: it is not a graphical tool, is a text tool <ara> davmor2: gnome terminal remains the same <davmor2> ara: I just checked synaptic screen-profiles is installed by default <davmor2> that's the bit that had been throwing me it's been in by default for a while <davmor2> so the sudo apt-get install screen-profiles is superfluous on jaunty <eeejay> http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/CaseAndPlanGuidelines <brunogirin> cgregan: ubiquity crashes when trying to install on EeePC 701 4G with today's USB image build: what can I do to debug and provide more info? <cjwatson> that's known <cjwatson> 'sudo apt-get install python-numpy' first as a workaround <cjwatson> brunogirin: ^- <cgregan> ï»¿brunogirin: I'm not sure...at that stage...we are getting any logs. <cjwatson> cgregan: please see what I said above <cgregan> cjwatson: Ah.... <cgregan> cjwatson: good <davmor2> cgregan: Then do what I did and gingerly slap ones forehead and say D'oh <cgregan> davmor2: :-) <brunogirin> cgregan: ok, you've got everything that apport collected and some info I added here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/netbook-remix/+bug/333381 but I'm wondering if there's any more info I can provide such as hardware details, etc <ubot4> Launchpad bug 333381 in ubiquity "ubiquity crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,New] <brunogirin> davmor2: done that too :-) <cjwatson>
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