#ubuntu-uk 2010-11-18 <jgjones> Hmm as you get older you still don't get enough sleep...kids make sure of that. <Waffle> jgjones, hum i ;like nightclubs (a bit noisy tho) <BigRedS> isn't 'noisy' part of the point? <Waffle> BigRedS, kinda * BigRedS feels old * Waffle feels young <popey> AlanBell: fill yer boots <Waffle> it goes ding by the way <Waffle> will MSN run in wine <popey> try it and see <BigRedS> Waffle: I don't think that's something many people would have tried <Waffle> BigRedS, i guessed that <AlanBell> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f384/browsertest.htm not in the Ubuntu font yet :( <ikonia> Waffle: did you go by any other nicknames in the past ? <Waffle> ikonia, i really don't want to talk about this in this channel, is there another channel we can talk in? <ikonia> errr why ? <ikonia> if you feel it's an issue, just send me a pm <Waffle> ikonia, i'll continue with this topic via PM * AlanBell changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived: http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/ | Mailing List: http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines - http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | Meeting 23rd November 21:00 GMT in #ubuntu-uk-meeting http://tinyurl.com/uukmeet | Christmas party http://ubunt.eu/c2 â * BigRedS complains that the party's in London <ikonia> Waffle: ok <evilchristel> AlanBell: we missed noel gallagher visiting our fine town earlier! all my girlfriends are raving about how he was shopping in the guitar village! <evilchristel> (i felt very embarrassed to have to wikipedia him to work out who they were talking about) :s <evilchristel> hi ikonia btw :) <ikonia> evilchristel: your back ! <AlanBell> evilchristel: I wouldn't recognise him (or care) but I am sure those who saw were suitably impressed! <AlanBell> I can't deop myself <evilchristel> apparently very much so, to the extent that they've all developed a sudden interest in guitars it seems <evilchristel> ikonia: oh im usually hiding somewhere :0 <DJones> AlanBell: Is that better <AlanBell> thanks <popey> AlanBell: http://ubunt.eu/ where'd that come from!? <ikonia> evilchristel: it's nice to actually SEE you though <AlanBell> popey: I was thinking of registering it a while back, and it was already there! <evilchristel> ikonia: <3 <evilchristel> and you m'dear <ikonia> working my arms just for you at the moment ;) <shauno> shame there's no .tu in 3166 <evilchristel> ... <evilchristel> .. <popey> \o/ dots <evilchristel> er sorry <czajkowski> evilchristel: I miss cutie hugs <ikonia> evilchristel: been enjoying watching wunder kind's progress <ikonia> kinde ? <Pendulum> evilchristel: hey! haven't seen you around in ages :) <AlanBell> Pendulum: evilchristel came to the Farnham Fireworks <Pendulum> AlanBell: that's because y'all are actually local to each other. When I live in the area, I'll go to the Farnham Fireworks too :P <evilchristel> hehe <AlanBell> that would be lovely <evilchristel> czajkowski: he misses you to! come visit <evilchristel> ikonia: good! he's lush! :D are you still sober or did you fall off the wagon? :P <evilchristel> and halloooo Pendulum <Waffle> what is a good frame by frame animation maker for linux? <czajkowski> evilchristel: yes <Waffle> anyone <AlanBell> !info pencil <lubotu3> pencil (source: pencil): animation/drawing software. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.4b-0ubuntu3 (maverick), package size 508 kB, installed size 1264 kB <ikonia> evilchristel: still sobre <ikonia> sober <evilchristel> i say! <Waffle> AlanBell, does it do .jpeg importation <evilchristel> i was going to suggest beers when im next in the west country.. but we can meet for a protein shake instead? <AlanBell> Waffle: no idea, tell me when you find out. <ikonia> evilchristel: we can do beers, I'm allowed to drink again now, just not had a reason <evilchristel> ooh :D <evilchristel> excellent! <ikonia> too easy to not drink at the moment after so long off <popey> how long? <popey> 13 weeks is the longest I've gone without booze <ikonia> popey: in honesty, I've forgot exact dates, as it was only supposed to be a month, but I'm easy over 3 <popey> neat <daubers> popey: 2.5 years longest I've done (stupid antidepressants) <ikonia> once I'd gone over $X I just forgot about it, so didn't drink because I'd forgot to <daubers> ikonia: That seems to last too <Waffle> AlanBell, yup it does do .jpeg imports, thanks allot XD <ikonia> daubers: yeah, I don't want a drink, but I can now comfortably have one <ikonia> evilchristel: although a shake is always welcome if you want a gym session first ! * Waffle could do with a drink of beer <daubers> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11790715 I see you can't use SVN in china anymore if you get arrested for "inciting subversion" <popey> daubers: http://tumbleweed.popey.com/ <daubers> \o/ <evilchristel> ikonia: i dont know about want.. need on the other hand! :) <Waffle> i can't figure this out <evilchristel> alcohol is curious to me these days, having not had any for 16 months it takes half a glass of red wine to turn me into a giggling schoolgirl-esque daftie <Waffle> how do i import a .hpeg into kToon <Waffle> anyone <Waffle> ? <Waffle> *jpeg <Waffle> anynyone know? <Waffle> anyone/ * Waffle is waiting <MartijnVdS> !wait <lubotu3> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/ * AlanBell notes that it is home time/cooking sprogs dinner time for most people <BigRedS> The commuting hour <BigRedS> and, again, I'm at work to see it :( * screen-x lurks but know nout about animation <AlanBell> !info ktoon <lubotu3> ktoon (source: ktoon): 2D animation toolkit. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.1-4.1ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 2480 kB, installed size 6136 kB <AlanBell> presume that is a kde app <Waffle> AlanBell, thats right <AlanBell> someone in #kubuntu might know it, I can't be bothered to install all the dependencies <screen-x> Waffle: <guess>dragondrop, file>import? </guess> <MartijnVdS> drag & drop.. <MartijnVdS> you do that with dragons now? :) <screen-x> in soviet wales, dragons drop you <daubers> In the Red Valley is it now boyo? <MartijnVdS> Wales has fallen to the commies? <daubers> I just can't seem to hear a welsh accent saying "Now Comrade, to arms!" <Waffle> *sigh8 no help ther <Waffle> there <ikonia> because your banned <Waffle> ikonia, i didn't do anything i just joined and poof you come along <ikonia> Waffle: because your banned under other nicknames, as you know <ikonia> Waffle: so don't play dumb <Waffle> ikonia, i know but this is a new kick i may have changed since then <ikonia> Waffle: lets not discuss this here - you know you've not changed, I explained to you in PM, you know you're banned, so don't try, lets keep it simple <Waffle> ikonia, when will i be allowed back in? <evilchristel> cor, it excites me when you're being strict! <evilchristel> but now i must marinade some meat <evilchristel> (!) <popey> is that a euphamism? <ikonia> ha ha ha <Waffle> evilchristel, i hate it when she is strict * popey chuckles ... she <Waffle> popey, exactually, i said that on superpose <ikonia> popey: he knows I'm a he, it's one of his trolls to call me she <Waffle> once again psycho guy is right <popey> Waffle: be nice <popey> Waffle: keep this up and you'll get kicked/banned again <Waffle> popey, me and ikonia need to make up to etch other to make the world a happy place <popey> or.. just stop being a dick. <MartijnVdS> (or stop acting like you're 12) <Waffle> popey, thats also an option <popey> it's the favourable option IMO <Waffle> MartijnVdS, i am 12 plus 1 year <AlanBell> #uksnow next week or so they think <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Snow? Already? <Waffle> it hasn't even snowed yet (in the UK) <MartijnVdS> Waffle: I believe AlanBell is trying to say it's going to next week <AlanBell> http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20101118/tuk-snow-warning-britain-set-for-winter-45dbed5.html <Waffle> MartijnVdS, well we'll have to wait and see <screen-x> it was #uksnow that pursuaded me to join twitter :) <Waffle> screen-x, i think i'm on twitter <popey> i might have to get a survival kit for my car I think <MartijnVdS> snow chains <gord> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/alternative-to-200-lines-kernel-patch.html - interesting <screen-x> popey: What would you include in a survival pack? * popey bets thats lennarts "patch" before clicking it <MartijnVdS> it is <popey> screen-x: lets see... http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/CarSurvivalKit <czajkowski> snow.... <czajkowski> it's only novemeber :( <gord> snow? i like snow! <gord> snow is the only reason i let winter exist at all <BigRedS> I like snow when I'm allowed to stay at home <czajkowski> gord: you're just plain odd <BigRedS> or, at least, not go further than walking distance <Waffle> i'l see you guys later <czajkowski> It's evil <gord> qualifier: i don't own a car, i don't drive and i don't need to commute anywhere <Waffle> bye <gord> i get all the pro's of snow with non of the cons :) * BigRedS fits the first of those... <gord> also, my cat jumps about in the snow for five minutes before running back inside needing a hug because she is so cold, then she runs outside again <BigRedS> cats + snow = awesome <BigRedS> generally <jacobw> throwing snowballs at cats = awesome <jacobw> fixed that for you :) <BigRedS> haha <dutchie> my dog chases snowballs in exactly the same way she chases normal balls <dutchie> then wonders where they have gone when they melt or she eats them <jacobw> Aw :) <andylockran> howdy guys and gals <andylockran> how goes things? <jacobw> not too bad thanks :) <jacobw> yourself? <jacobw> soo tired. need beer :p <AlanBell> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/ep/pad/view/CarSurvivalKit/latest etherpad rocks * jacobw has Black Sheep Golden Sheep Golden Pale Ale <jacobw> er.. the second golden is extraneous <AlanBell> !lvm <lubotu3> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] No Maverick PPA For Unity - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/11/18/no-maverick-ppa-for-unity/ <AlanBell> waahh <Azelphur> hmm, weird <Azelphur> speed dial on firefox won't generate a thumbnail for deluge's web ui :( <Azelphur> oh wait it did, it just took like 60 seconds, weird <andylockran> Deluge webui any good Azelphur ? <Azelphur> hell yes. <Azelphur> deluge is awesome <andylockran> I use deluge, but not it's webui at the moment <Azelphur> andylockran: I use deluge+flexget to get all my stuff, it's pretty cool <Azelphur> Anyone know how to fix firefox's terrible attempt at theme inheritance so I don't get crap like this? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/November%202010/search.png <Azelphur> There is text in that box, believe it or not :P <evilchristel> im not sure how i feel about potential snow <evilchristel> i like snow. snow is fun. <evilchristel> but last years snowfall was annoyingly inconvenient <DJones> Snow is great fun when you've got a dog <czajkowski> evilsnow <DJones> Our dog loved it last year, although when he was waist deep in it walking last year he might have got a bit chilly on his stomach <evilchristel> yeah, the dog loved it last winter, she burrowed into it and you could just see this white bump moving along <DJones> :) <evilchristel> it was cute! <DJones> I bet it was, ours is too big to do that <evilchristel> what wasnt as cute was the supermarkets not having deliveries, all my antenatal classes being cancelled and the road being littered with abandoned cars! * dutchie has a pretty picture of his dog in the snow <dutchie> don't have an electronic version though <dutchie> so you will have to take my word for the cuteness <DJones> I was off work all the time the snow was down, all I had to do was walk the dog <evilchristel> hehe <evilchristel> my dog is in love with czajkowski <dutchie> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jshholland/3756333348/ <czajkowski> lol <dutchie> that is a non-snowy Pebbles <czajkowski> this is rather true <evilchristel> pebbles is indeed cute! <danfish> dutchie: that snow's melted ;) <czajkowski> evilchristel: dog used to walk me to my room, mount my back lick my arm and pat my tummy <evilchristel> tillie is impossible to get photos of as she doesnt like being still, but here she is recovering after being spayed: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs204.ash2/46697_481909445936_668090936_6939229_3935327_n.jpg <czajkowski> i've rarely seen her that stil <DJones> This is Oscar last year http://lh3.ggpht.com/_PnGeXTQd-uE/S0SBWOAiWSI/AAAAAAAABWY/_4pyZRc_SQ0/s640/2010-01-06%2011.24.36.jpg <czajkowski> DJones: cute <evilchristel> http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs478.ash2/75154_10150100952695937_668090936_7509453_5357731_n.jpg and here she is eating a small child <DJones> evilchristel: How old is she, looks quite young in the picture <evilchristel> DJones: she's 18 months <evilchristel> and even more nuts than she was as a 12 week old puppy <czajkowski> evilchristel: cute <DJones> evilchristel: Right, ours is 3 years + a bit <evilchristel> ooh oscar is fluffy, i want to cuddle him! <DJones> Heh, he'd love that <evilchristel> :D <evilchristel> i love dogs, they're fab <evilchristel> czajkowski: tillie misses you! <czajkowski> heh <dutchie> pebbles will literally chase her ball all day and all night <TheOpenSourcerer> http://lordies.co.uk/Jan/00002.jpg <TheOpenSourcerer> http://lordies.co.uk/Jan/00003.jpg <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: sweet saint jack daniels, was that farnham last year <TheOpenSourcerer> http://lordies.co.uk/Jan/00015.jpg <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes czajkowski <czajkowski> oh lordie <dutchie> i do have snow pictures without dogs in: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jshholland/3756314812/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/jshholland/3755506163/in/photostream/ <DJones> This is oscar with 2 of my parents dogs http://lh3.ggpht.com/_PnGeXTQd-uE/TOWHv2t-PFI/AAAAAAAABeI/vgF0MI8_w7s/s720/ThreeDogs.jpg (fluffy warning, more cuddles needed) <dutchie> ahhh <dutchie> bet that hair is a nightmare to clean <evilchristel> czajkowski: it was very pretty last winter! (with the snow and all) <evilchristel> oooh they're gorgeous <dutchie> i understand oxford is pretty in the snow <DJones> dutchie: Not really, they're always cleaning themselves if they get dirty and they get a bath about every 6 weeks <czajkowski> evilchristel: dread the cold <gord> everyone keeps talking about snow, i'm just gonna sit here and call you all liars >:( <dutchie> http://www.keble.ox.ac.uk/about/photographs/snow-2007-photo-competition <evilchristel> i spoke to my brother earlier, its -15 back home! * czajkowski watches gord go into a corner and sulk <evilchristel> mind, it was -37 at its worst last year, which was the coldest for like 70 years or something <gord> i don't need a corner, i'll just sulk in the middle so everyone can see <czajkowski> brrrrrrr <evilchristel> gord: lakeland sells instant snow in cans! <TheOpenSourcerer> images 0001-16, 40, 41 if you are interested. <TheOpenSourcerer> http://lordies.co.uk/Jan/ <TheOpenSourcerer> We built an Igloo: http://lordies.co.uk/Jan/200008.jpg <TheOpenSourcerer> Got to go and collect my Son from Scouts. Laterz. <evilchristel> i nearly purchased some before i realised it was for indoor use and not for making the garden look white for christmas :S <gord> my fridge makes instant snow too, but that is less fun <gord> i have an entire drawer in my freezer that just fills up with freezer snow <evilchristel> (i should have realised that a small can wouldnt make enough snow for the entire garden) <czajkowski> evilchristel: roflol <dutchie> TheOpenSourcerer: impressive igloo <dutchie> (that could have been a good codename) <dutchie> except igloo isn't an animal <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andy Loughran] PCI DSS - http://zrmt.com/article/view/pci-dss1 <danfish> has anyone packaged up etherpad? <evilchristel> i like the igloo! <daubers> Evening <DJones> danfish: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Etherpad Doesn't look like it <DJones> But looks like that wiki has instructions on how to install <danfish> DJones: tx - I've installed from source before - that wiki page looks like things have moved on a bit though <DJones> danfish: Have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+bug/563484 as well, there are some pointers in that <lubotu3> Ubuntu bug 563484 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] etherpad - web based collaborative real-time editor" [Wishlist,Confirmed] <danfish> DJones: packaging (learn howto) - added to mental etherpad :) <finelytuned> hi <DJones> danfish: Looks like there might be a repository for Etherpad http://etherpad.org/download/#debian <DJones> "Etherpad is available as a debian package. In debian and ubuntu, add the following apt repository in your package manger" <finelytuned> ive just joined the launchpad team <danfish> i'll check it out * daubers should really reboot his vps :-s <andylockran> daubers: uptime? <daubers> andylockran: 116d22h <dutchie> once it's past 100d you are not allowed to reboot it <daubers> Not updated for a couple of kernel updates and the ssl update that came down recently, should reboot for that really <danfish> daubers: who are you using? <andylockran> I'm on 47 for both of mine.. last kernel update <daubers> danfish: bitfolk <andylockran> moi aussi <dutchie> yay bitfolk <danfish> linode for me <daubers> really, _really_, want to put a machine in a DC myself, but cost is an issue at the moment <daubers> ah screw it * daubers reboots <daubers> o/ <daubers> Seems ok <daubers> Not a bad reboot time either really <dutchie> was thinking that seemed quite quick <danfish> daubers: \o/ arduino dc hosting <Azelphur> anyone know if it's possible to get a cheap internet connection without a phone line? <Azelphur> IE: I don't want to use the telephone at all I just want to have an internet connection <daubers> danfish: heh, be fun to do that <daubers> Azelphur: Unless you go down the VM route, you'd need to pay the line rental on the line <daubers> hence it'd be just as cheap to have the phone line there <DJones> Azelphur: Apart from a 3G dongle, I doubt it, you'd need to pay line rental whether you use it or not <daubers> (or that's what people at BT tell me) <Azelphur> yea I understand you'd need to pay line rental <Azelphur> but you generally have to pay line rental + internet + phone, I don't want the phone part <Azelphur> or rather, my cousin doesn't :p <daubers> Azelphur: Jus don't plug the phone in? <daubers> and get a line rental only tariff <andylockran> Still have to pay a minimum of Â£11 per month Line Rental <Azelphur> daubers: oh like pay as you go phone but you never use it so it's free <andylockran> I think that's what I paid when I had BT in my Student Flat. <andylockran> Â£11 per month, and free evening and weekend calls included. <daubers> Azelphur: Yeah, I believe thats possible <andylockran> but that was the cheapst at the time <Azelphur> I see <daubers> andylockran: Thats what we had <Azelphur> so next question is who has the cheapest internet connection :p <Azelphur> (This is for my cousin \o/) <daubers> andylockran: Also meant that we could call in takeaways for free in the evening \o/ <andylockran> yup <DJones> Azelphur: Do they have sky tv? <Azelphur> DJones: nope <andylockran> the other option is Virgin Media.. not sure if you can get their broadband offering w/o a phone line <Azelphur> andylockran: not in a coverage area for vm so doesn't matter <andylockran> as they have their own home<>box connection <andylockran> Azelphur: ah, ok <finelytuned> you can have it without a phone line <DJones> Thats out then, they do a free broadband option for customers <finelytuned> used to cost Â£10 per month <daubers> also, VM are evil <Azelphur> indeed <finelytuned> true but they do ok for me :) <Azelphur> looking at the talktalk website because they are cheap, their website seems to make sense <daubers> Seen their latest campaign? They want ISPs to drop the "Upto" and have made a big fuss of it, but HAVEN'T DONE SO THEMSELVES!!!! <Azelphur> in the box at the top it says "+ Â£12.04 line rental a month" and then just below it it says "Line rental included no need for BT" <Azelphur> contradictory statements are contradictory <dutchie> daubers: how naughty <DJones> AOL do a Â£4.99/month service .... I didn't they were still around <daubers> dutchie: They're all a bunch of so and so's <dutchie> well, true <finelytuned> i agree with the above <finelytuned> ok gotta log cya all tomorrow <diplo> evening all <nucc1> for the first time in 2 years, i want to use something other than the default icon theme in ubuntu, and i can't get the folder icons to change :( <nucc1> did something change in that period? <diplo> Faenza ones are nice, post at omg http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/08/faenza-icon-set-gets-a-ppa/ <diplo> never had an issue changing mine <popey> evening <diplo> evening <nucc1> diplo, for some reason the icons are changing except the folder icons <diplo> missed the folder part, not had that before myself <diplo> How did you change them, new theme ? or manually <nucc1> when i install the theme, it asks me if i want to apply, and i say yes <diplo> No errors ? <nucc1> nope <nucc1> mime-type icons change <nucc1> but folder icons dont <nucc1> it seems like changing from the "customize" place works <nucc1> is that a bug worth filing? <nucc1> ah, it doesn't work. <nucc1> only icons that were shipped with ubuntu are working <diplo> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-819415.html <diplo> Posts from 2008 but seems similair issue <nucc1> ok, so its likely old icon themes. <nucc1> oh well. <nucc1> i'll try those in the link you gave me. <nucc1> thanks <DeathSling> daubers, AlanBell & screen-x... thank you for your help the other day with SFTP. I now have my first fully operational Virtualised SFTP server. Ubuntu rocks! <AlanBell> yay! <DeathSling> I'm even starting to get used to using vi, which I thought would never happen! <DeathSling> Still wish I could get TextMate on Ubuntu though, I love that app <DeathSling> how sad is it that my favourite app is a text editor... I need to get out more * AlanBell fears vi * AlanBell huggles nano <AlanBell> and gedit when there is a gui * AlanBell is soft <jacobw> i've learnt to use vi about 3 times now, its always a small epiphany when i realise how useful it is <jacobw> the reason i've learnt to use it 3 times is because i don't do a great deal of computer stuff and i keep forgetting <DeathSling> still haven't tried nano. GEdit skanked a file today. Might be my file permissions of the xserver but I was still pretty cross <popey> i have a vi cheat sheet posted up near my desk at work <popey> I never use it <popey> my co-workers do <popey> i use nano <jacobw> yeah, i think its one of these things where it doesn't become useful unless you use it all the time <DeathSling> very true <DeathSling> doing this virtual machine stuff has forced me into it, now I'm glad because I'm not quite so frightened f it <mgdm> I've got the new guy at work (it's no longer me!) learning Vi <mgdm> after showing some 1337 regex sk1llz the other day <DeathSling> I've looked at the license for VirtualBox and it seems that I'm perfectly legal in using it to run my servers through it for free, in my workplace. Does anyone here know if I right? <diplo> Anyone recommend me a good prog for resizing a bulk load of images to a defined size ? <diplo> Or best just with CLI ? <dutchie> diplo: there is a very easily scriptable "resize" command in the imagemagick package <DeathSling> imagemagik <DeathSling> it's command line. never used t, but heard it's very good <dutchie> !info imagemagick <lubotu3> imagemagick (source: imagemagick): image manipulation programs. In component main, is optional. Version 7:156.14.161.142-1ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 70 kB, installed size 284 kB <mgdm> imagemagick is ace <jacobw> i've never seen the attraction of emacs personally <mgdm> the 'convert' command is the swiss army knife of image handling <diplo> yeah used it before, just wondering if any gui apps using it now <stuphi> diplo: for f in *.jpg;do convert $f -resize 1024x768 small_$f;done <DeathSling> i'd like to see launchd ported to ubuntu <mgdm> it has upstart <DeathSling> mainly i'm after watched folders <diplo> cheers stuphi, already used mogrify but will try yours as well to see diff results <danfish> my 20month old has just woken up thinking it's morning and is wide awake :( suggestions on a postcard on how to get him back to sleep <jacobw> put him back to bed and turn the lights off? * jacobw has no experience of kids, is it obivous :P <jacobw> s/obivous/obvious <danfish> jacobw: :) <jacobw> i'm watching a documentary on 4od called "In the Shadow of the Moon" about the moon landing <jacobw> its really amazing all the things they acheived <danfish> jacobw: it was all faked <danfish> honest <diplo> It's great fun isn't it danfish <diplo> I've got a 2 1/2 and a 4 year old <jacobw> danfish: impossible <diplo> Younger one been doing lot's of that recently <DeathSling> thinking i might need to write my own, but not sure if php, perl or bash would be best. Anyone recommend a language that would be best suited to spawning other script with the option not wait for response? <danfish> diplo: wonderful - can't remember the last night of unbroken sleep <DeathSling> 1 son, he's 8 and twin identical girls, 5 and there mental <jacobw> eek <danfish> DeathSling: python - subprocess module has that option IIRC <DeathSling> not in the literal sense <jacobw> yeah <DeathSling> I tried a bit of python a few of months ago, it freaks me out a bit. I don't quite it syntax <jacobw> why have we never been back to the moon? i want to go :( <diplo> danfish, honestly it does get easier <danfish> jacobw: a few more nights like this, and I'll be volunteering for the Mars trip - one way if necessary <jacobw> ha! i've seen that too <danfish> diplo: tx <diplo> Best thing I can suggest is routine and stick to it <diplo> After 2-3 weeks of bad nights of routine they follow suit, you just have to stick to your guns and not give in. <danfish> diplo: agreed. 4 year old was having a tantrum at bath time which I think affected the younger one <danfish> DeathSling: how did it freak you out? <diplo> aha you are going through exactly what we did then, 2 close together both wake each other up <stuphi> DeathSling: I found this helped http://code.google.com/edu/languages/google-python-class/set-up.html <DeathSling> diplo: am I right in thinking that you use whitespace to end multi lined if blocks and such? <DeathSling> sorry diplo <danfish> diplo: yup - boys too <DeathSling> meant that for danfish <danfish> DeathSling: it's the indenting that needs to be precise - if you want a good editor for python code, geany helps a lot with proper syntax <DeathSling> I shall have to have another look at it properly. <jacobw> the identing put off python for a long time <DeathSling> the indenting is all important then? <danfish> DeathSling: yup - in essence, you can't use tabs. 4 spaces is the 'standard' <jacobw> i really must develop my computer skills constructively rather than dip in and out computer stuff for projects <DeathSling> i see <danfish> gedit and nano have got extensions that help with indents etc in python <DeathSling> i dip in and out all the time, too impatient and too curous and WAY to much coffee <DeathSling> but it's what i love, i nerdy and happy <Azelphur> Anyone happen to have an answer to the firefox gnome theme problem? https://support.mozilla.com/en-US/questions/765355 <danfish> DeathSling: experience it all the time myself - "ooh shiny new thing. must try. want instant results. now bored" :) <DeathSling> danfish: "bored", na, must be the coffee wearing off, have more! <danfish> Azelphur: hmm, no setting in gconf that I can see <Azelphur> :( <danfish> DeathSling: nah, switching to jack daniels <jacobw> goodnight <danfish> nn <andylockran> howdy <danfish> lo <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matthew Garrett] Sigh. - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/129815.html <DeathSling> Mmmm jack daniels, mabey tomorrow... <danfish> DeathSling: sorry - to clarify, I'm sticking with coffee, the JD is for the 20 month old :P <DeathSling> haha <DeathSling> DONT give it the coffee! :) <danfish> heaven forbid <DeathSling> if i gave my girls coffee they could power the whole of this country <danfish> I remember a house warming party my folks had a number of years ago. The 'bar' was in the utility room where the labrador slept. After many alcohol spills the labrador was positively wasted and very grumpy the next mornig <danfish> in hindsight, to be avoided. Although, certain animals do go out of their way to consume fermented fruits <danfish> right, son finally asleep. Time to turn in. Good sleep all :) <DeathSling> night danfish #ubuntu-uk 2010-11-19 <DeathSling> night all <AlanBell> morning all <Arigead> AlanBell: morning back to you. Bit of an early bird but then that depends on where in the world you are. <MartijnVdS> morning everyone <diplo> morning <DJones> Morning all <TheOpenSourcerer> Glowing bio-LED trees could replace street lights: http://is.gd/hp3zP Is that cool or what? <finelytuned> o/ <MartijnVdS> would be annoying though <MartijnVdS> you can turn off street lights if you have to <finelytuned> MartijnVdS: i'm gonna do some more study today... so might have some newb problems i'll need help with if your on here <BigRedS> bioLED? where's the 'd' bit? <screen-x> morning :) <finelytuned> morning screen-x <TheOpenSourcerer> BigRedS: Dunno. Maybe each leaf is a diode? <BigRedS> TheOpenSourcerer: Haha, perhaps. I suppose 'led' has come to mean 'modern light source' rather than, well, LED... <czajkowski> aloha <TheOpenSourcerer> afternoon czajkowski <czajkowski> AlanBell: ping free for a call later on <mattt> soooo tired <TheOpenSourcerer> czajkowski: AlanBell is out at the moment, networking in Godalming <czajkowski> where? <TheOpenSourcerer> in Godalming <czajkowski> *googles* doesnt sound like a real place <TheOpenSourcerer> It is a very nice small town not far from Guildford. <czajkowski> ahhh <czajkowski> ok thanks <czajkowski> shall poke him later re some event <czajkowski> thank you <TheOpenSourcerer> np <AlanBell> back now <TheOpenSourcerer> that was quick <TheOpenSourcerer> Nice - Francis Maude: "I want to personally encourage the army of armchair auditors to look at this information, scrutinise and question us and ensure that every penny of taxpayers money is being spent judiciously." <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/nov/19/francis-maude-government-data-published <AlanBell> yes, didn't hang about today, had to get back for the piano tuner <TheOpenSourcerer> Our came last week <TheOpenSourcerer> s\Our\Ours <AlanBell> we have *very* different pianos <popey> morning all <TheOpenSourcerer> lo popey <finelytuned> o/ popey <AlanBell> my piano is not finelytuned <finelytuned> ouchies <finelytuned> :) <czajkowski> AlanBell: when is good for a call re event today? <AlanBell> any time this afternoon * popey notes that working around the nasty work proxy is useful <popey> unfortunately once co-workers know about it I end up having to print stuff like this http://www.curchods.com/display/104703?n=7 <popey> because the estate agent links their pictures directly to IP address hosts, not hostnamed hosts, so thats blocked <MartijnVdS> *facepalm* * screen-x is moving forward in the queue and will be connected to an advisor shortly <popey> ooo reminds me, need to call apple <gord> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/229961 huh, Â£55 for a hd media player - interesting machine <popey> that is an interesting device gord <screen-x> gord: no NIC, but maybe could do something with that usb socket.. * popey has an apple usb to ethernet device <popey> and a nintendo one :) <screen-x> popey: you have an MBA as well? <MartijnVdS> do they work in Ubuntu? <popey> no <popey> MartijnVdS: yes <MartijnVdS> popey: with or without dirty hacks? <popey> just works <jpds> popey: Do you find that it adds overhead? <popey> do i find what adds overhead to what? <gord> to the giggybytes? <MartijnVdS> "is it laggy" <popey> not sure what you mean <MartijnVdS> popey: well, with some USB disks you notice it's USB because it is (or "feels") slower <MartijnVdS> We're wondering if that's the case with usb-ethernet as well <gmb> Can anyone recommend a good DAS unit that supports RAID0,1, has a FireWire 400/800 interface and either comes with (at least) 2x1TB drive or is an empty shell which will happily support up to 2x2TB? <MartijnVdS> gmb: and a pony? <gmb> MartijnVdS: And a plastic rocket. <popey> gmb: EDGE10 <gmb> popey: I thought that was USB and eSATA <popey> oh, duh, sorry <popey> buy my drobo off me then :) <danfish> morning <gmb> Hahahahaah. <kazade> morning all <popey> (it has fw) <screen-x> gmb why fw? <gmb> popey: Between you and Drew Gardner I've been absolutely convinced not to do that. <popey> excellent, good man <popey> morning kazade <kazade> popey, https://launchpad.net/platformation <popey> MartijnVdS: not noticed, but not tested very much, will test later tonight if you remind me <gmb> screen-x: MacBook Pro has USB or FireWire, no eSATA. And I need to shift large amounts of data (images and video) at speed. <kazade> Got round to registering it just now :) <popey> yay <MartijnVdS> popey: did you manage to fit all the snow-preparation stuff in your car btw? <screen-x> gmb: that's the only time I've used fw800 :) <MartijnVdS> ;) <MartijnVdS> gmb: gig-e ;) <MartijnVdS> gmb: macbooks also have that <gmb> MartijnVdS: True, but I'd like to not have to upgrade my somewhat crappy network infrastructure whilst djennings@example.org. <popey> :) MartijnVdS <daubers> o/ <screen-x> morning daubers :) <daubers> gmb: NFS is your friend in that situation :) * daubers quite often shifts data around at 108+MB/s <MartijnVdS> hmmmm data <gmb> daubers: See above re: crappy network. But point taken. <daubers> gmb: Take a small shuttle PC with a 2/3disk raid to the desk, crossover between them, NFS to it, move on :) <daubers> If ones a MBP you can actually make it a firewire target * popey coughs up a drobo <daubers> gmb: Hold down T while it's booting, it'll become a firewire target <gmb> daubers: I like your thinking :) <screen-x> target disk mode.. why on earth is that in firmware rather than OS? <daubers> screen-x: I'd imagine it's something on the board that does it. Part of the EFI somewhere <popey> gmb: setup a new network? buy a GbE switch and just have the storage and the mbp on it <screen-x> daubers: would useful if you could do it from disk utility <shauno> I'm not sure exporting the entire physical disk as a read-write target would be sensible while there's an OS running on it <screen-x> shauno: yeah, but you may have another disk you want to export <popey> in a laptop? <screen-x> or partition etc <popey> unlikely on a mac <daubers> popey: Mac Pros do it too <popey> yes <popey> thats what I'm saying <popey> 10:11:04 < screen-x> shauno: yeah, but you may have another disk you want to export <daubers> mac pros can take 4 disks by default, come with caddies too <popey> 10:11:12 < popey> in a laptop? <screen-x> maybe partition wouldn't work <popey> oh, desktops? <daubers> popey: I think we've moved away from gmb's specific case <shauno> I'm sure there's 101 ways to export a filesystem or block device over a network. having target-disk being no-os has saved my skin many times * popey considers himself shutup <daubers> popey: Yep, mac pro, not macbook pro :) <gmb> If anyone has a Mac Pro they want to give me, I'm open to it. <daubers> gmb: What are you taking the data too off the MBP? * screen-x imagines some trade show booth giving away branded mac pros <daubers> screen-x: Razorlab laser etches the, <daubers> them <daubers> screen-x: http://www.razorlab.co.uk/itattoo/ <Darael> ost of Linux | <Darael> What? <Darael> Whoops. <Darael> Sorry. <gmb> daubers: I'm not sure I understand your question. <daubers> gmb: Is this a one shot thing or something that will become regular? <daubers> gmb: Also are you going from MBP -> ? or ? -> MBP? <gmb> daubers: Regular. Basically I'll be dumping large wodges (4GB+) of data (images, videos, audio) onto it and then editing them from the MBP. <popey> 10:11:12 < popey> in a laptop? <popey> oops <daubers> gmb: What data rate video (also, welcome to my office :) ) <daubers> gmb: Also is this a company thing or a personal thing? <gmb> daubers: Personal. We're talking video from a 5D or D7000, so it's about 38Mb/s, I'd expect. <gmb> I'm taking a punt on the bitrate of the D7000, but it's a reasonable ballpark. <daubers> gmb: A lot of people in your situation use something like http://www.lacie.com/uk/products/product.htm?pid=11142 but in a post house they'd use either a fibre san (depending on no. seats) or a nice big raid connected over nfs <gmb> daubers: Yeah, as a one man op the LaCie is tempting. I've heard bad things about noise levels from it (which is irritating if you're recording VOs) <daubers> gmb: RAID is normally on it's own isolated network to reduce traffic and switches coughing at latency <gmb> daubers: Right. A crossover is about as isolated as it gets :) <daubers> gmb: If you're looking at spending Â£lots you can build a small linux box with 4/5 disks in raid 5, you'll easily saturate GigE over NFS <popey> how portable does it need to be? <gmb> daubers: I think I'll start with Â£NotALot :) <gmb> popey: Not very. <popey> studio based? <daubers> gmb: But if the data is coming off a different machine, get a firewire cable and hold T when you boot the MBP, that makes the MBP into a firewire drive <gmb> daubers: Noted, thanks. <daubers> gmb: You can then transfer stuff onto the MBP from $another machine <gmb> popey: No, but I've got other plans for portable storage (i.e. I'll mostly edit at home anyway, but the RAID is going to be the canonical place for data to live). <popey> I'd still get an edge10 and GbE <gmb> popey: Maybe that's the way to go. After all, I've had this router since 2003 and that's the bottleneck on the network. <popey> i have cable modem -> router/wifi -> GbE switch, everything is plugged into that. <popey> just an el-cheapo blue netgear one <gmb> popey: Ah, yes, that would work, too. <popey> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/129220 <gmb> Ta * gord presses his face against the window again waiting for the postman to come give him his networking shinys <popey> i love my edge10 box <popey> not as well built as the drobo, but its lovely <daubers> gmb: Personally I'd (very biasedly) recommend http://gblabs.interads.co.uk/?q=node/13 but that's cause I built it <popey> also gmb you could get an esata pci express card for the mbp could you not? <popey> haha, overkill :) <daubers> popey: For his case, very much so :) <popey> is that a standard case? <popey> or custom <popey> also, get whoever makes that host to setup drupal correctly so you get nice urls <popey> ?q=node/13 is fugly <Phineas> hi guys <popey> hello <daubers> half and half, starts life as a standard one, then get's attacked with a cutting torch <popey> hah <daubers> popey: I know :( The web dev is on holiday so I can't get it fixed <Phineas> he he <Phineas> web dev? <daubers> web developer <gord> the difference between a good url and a bad one, i navigate launchpad entirely by fitting the right verbs and nouns into the right places in the url <gord> i navigate the rest of the web with google <Phineas> oh i see <daubers> googleh is teh w3b!!!! <Phineas> quite right comes in pretty handy sometimes <Phineas> daubers: comes in handy good 'ol google <Phineas> !ping <lubotu3> pong <gmb> daubers, popey, screen-x: Thanks for the suggestions. Of course, I basically want to have enough money (and need) to have Chase Jarvis's setup (http://bit.ly/8YyY2V), but I'm British, so I'll scale it down a bit. <popey> am I the only one who hates that effect of jump zoom <gmb> popey: Yeah, but they're limited to what they can do when they're shooting on DSLRs. Whip-pans don't work because of the rolling shutter, so it's either jump zooms or Star Wars-style wipes. <MartijnVdS> gmb: star wars-style wipes rock though <daubers> gmb: You using FCP? <gord> *always* star wars wipes. never use anything else. <MartijnVdS> gmb: well that or jump zooms <gord> no, i'm with popey, i hate them <gmb> daubers: I'm experimenting with both FCP and Premier Pro CS5; Haven't decided which I prefer. <daubers> gmb: (FCP is much nice on storage....) <gmb> daubers: So I hear :) <gmb> Also, it crashes a damn sight less often. <popey> I also dislike the guy in that video even though I have the volume muted :) <popey> irrational, I know <gmb> popey: Which guy? <gmb> There's more than one. <daubers> gmb: Yeah, there is that. I quite like the UI in FCP tbh, didn't really get on with CS5 <popey> the main guy, not the big lad <popey> he is too attractive :) <popey> annoyingly so <gmb> popey: This has been noted in our house. <popey> :) <czajkowski> so the wrong time to look back at this screen <gmb> czajkowski: Why? Was it our A/V data nerdout or was it popey dissing Chase Jarvis for his looks? <czajkowski> the latter <popey> felt compelled to check him out huh? <shauno> I wish people wouldn't use shortners in contexts that don't require brevity. saves me the let-down of discovering it's a site that's blocked at work :( <andylockran> howdy guys <andylockran> is it possible to install ubuntu to a separate partition using wubi ? <andylockran> i.e. if I partition 200GB for Windows, I'm going to leave 300GB left on the disk for ubuntu.. <andylockran> would I be able to install that using wubi <BigRedS> I imagine it'd have trouble online resizing ntfs <BigRedS> oh, pre-partitioned <andylockran> just a wubi question rather than ubuntu one <andylockran> as I can install using ubuntu usb, but wondering if wubi was capable <popey> why use wubi? <andylockran> good point <andylockran> didn't have a CD drive this morning <andylockran> but just nicked one from next door <andylockran> therefore, the point is moot <popey> \o/ petty theft <andylockran> cheers popey <popey> np <AlanBell> shauno: use ubunt.eu \o/ <andylockran> next door = colleagues PC <shauno> AlanBell: it was the destination (youtube) that's blocked, not the shortener :) <popey> \o/ bypassing proxies <gord> \o/ toast <daubers> \o/ coffee <AlanBell> \o/ bourbon biscuits to go with coffee <gord> what? no. why would you buy bourbons when you could get custard creams? <popey> oooo ooo! <popey> I know this! <popey> chocolate <popey> also.. custard digestives.. <shauno> I try not to push my luck with proxies too much .. I dread the day they notice that I stay connected to 443 for 12 hours at a time <andylockran> hmm, I'd quite like a custard creme at the moment <andylockran> good call <andylockran> looking forward to the ubuntu monospace font * popey listens to a bit of ELO <andylockran> spend over 60% of my time in the terminal, so that'll make a nice little difference to me <popey> chaps.. <popey> what shall we talk about on uupc on monday <popey> we have no segments lined up <andylockran> me <popey> need two 15min segs <popey> thats 10 seconds sorted <popey> how about the other 29 mins and 50 seconds <matti> ;] <BigRedS> This super phoronix patch and how it's going to cure the common cold <BigRedS> ;) <popey> :) <popey> http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/readers-choice-awards-2010 is a possibility <X3N> hum, just did a dist-upgrade and now all my notes are missing... :\ <BigRedS> popey: how unity's not as bad as everyone thinks it is? I've not listened for a little bit though, that might've been covered already. <popey> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/SegmentIdeasFromTheCommunityForUUPC is also available :) <AlanBell> talk about winter survival <popey> :) <shauno> I'm trying to avoid the unity topic until they've changed whatever 3d framework it's using <X3N> it's using compiz now <popey> barely <shauno> the version in 10.10 puts more load on my video card than civ4 (based purely on how obnoxious the fan is) <popey> ouch <shauno> I believe there's changes expected there, hence the 'wait and see' :) <danfish> popey: openrespect.org as a segment? <AlanBell> The christmas party is more news than a topic of conversation really <popey> ooo yes, will add to events <AlanBell> incidentally, only 8 people signed up so far, come on people: http://ubunt.eu/c2 * daubers added it to the official "Matts allowed to do this" calender last night <AlanBell> and bringing Mrs Daubers too <daubers> AlanBell: Indeed <BigRedS> Argh. It feels like Thunderbirds deliberately being obtuse with its 'sensible' defaults * X3N feels he is going to be representing the youth of today again at The Hub <davmor2> Morning all <popey> incoming! <davmor2> BigRedS: no it's just out to annoy you is it working? <AlanBell> I am not doing so well at getting wifey along to events. "will it be all your geeky friends" "yes" "I will give it a miss" :( <popey> AlanBell: i find it helps if i mention other non-geek women will be there <AlanBell> yeah, tried that too <finelytuned> my wife still struggles with the fact that i talk to people on irc about a os........ dare i tell her about the pod cast?? * davmor2 decides to nice to czajkowski causes it's Friday :D <popey> :) * popey collapses <shauno> I always had that problem trying to explain why I was laughing at lugradio <davmor2> popey: I'm feeling Good so I'm spreading the feel good feeling <MartijnVdS> davmor2: neutral good, chaotic good or lawful good? <davmor2> popey: mind you it could be the new pain killers <daubers> AlanBell: The missus came to the RAT and quite enjoyed herself <davmor2> MartijnVdS: Generally good :D <popey> AlanBell: does your missus work? <AlanBell> popey: a few days a month at a local school <popey> ah excellent! <popey> my wife works at a school <popey> common interest :) <AlanBell> so it is <AlanBell> I will try again, we are owed loads of babysitting so that isn't an issue <BigRedS> davmor2: it's doing its job wonderfully :/ * czajkowski pours a bucket of ice cold water over davmor2 <davmor2> czajkowski: Ah can't ruin my day :P /me gives czajkowski a hug <andylockran> what's the default virtualisation platform on ubuntu <andylockran> need to load up a virtual image of centos on my machine, and wondering what to use <MartijnVdS> kvm <andylockran> ok, thanks . <X3N> There isn't a default is also the answer <AlanBell> Virtualbox if you want accelerated graphics <AlanBell> !kvm <lubotu3> kvm is the preferred virtualization approach in Ubuntu. For more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM <AlanBell> ^^ preferred <popey> ^^ AlanBell <danfish> virt-manager is a reasonable GUI for KVM <andylockran> looks like it needs hardware support <daubers> Your machine does need to support virtualisation at the HW level for kvm to work <andylockran> in teh cpu <andylockran> which unfortunately mine doesn#t <daubers> andylockran: Virtualbox <danfish> :( <danfish> not :( to virtualbox btw <andylockran> though vbox + oracle = future pain? * daubers is currently installing an OSX server into VirtualBox <daubers> andylockran: You could use qemu if it still exists <andylockran> daubers: is breaking license conditions ? <daubers> !qemu <lubotu3> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo <daubers> andylockran: It's on a mac! * TheOpenSourcerer has OSX in VBox :-) * AlanBell likes virt-manager +KVM for remote machines and virtualbox for local ones * AlanBell now has a tuned piano * DJones wonders if the piano player has also been tuned? <DJones> AlanBell: My wife is having lessons, we've got a piano downstairs which she practises on during the daytime, but evenings when I'm home, she uses a keyboard with a set of headphones (she says so I can't hear how bad she is) <jpds> Hmm, piano lessons: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JQOSB8TeAs <AlanBell> DJones: I was planning to get a keyboard with headphones but was feeling poor and got a piano on ebay for free (buyer collects) <AlanBell> apparently it is pre- 1935 with art-deco legs <DJones> AlanBell: Yeah, our keyboard was free from my Gran, and the piano came free from a friend who needed the space <danfish> AlanBell: nice - who's it made by? <czajkowski> well that's a bit bloody annoying few free events I want to go to in london and trying to register for them and the website is being a brat! <TheOpenSourcerer> They know who you are czajkowski :-D <danfish> AlanBell: if it's a Steinberg or Steinway from 1930's they can be v valuable <andylockran> Yeah, they're lovely. <andylockran> I have an old Zender of a great-great aunt. <andylockran> Nothing quite like an old piano.. heavy like you wouldn't believe though. <TheOpenSourcerer> lol: http://blogs.techworld.com/on-the-frontline/2010/11/cisco-machismo-and-the-lan/index.htm <danfish> ooh ooh! Have a good old fashioned Cockney knee's up at the XMAS party :D * TheOpenSourcerer 's wife's piano is a 1903 Bechstein parlour grand <DJones> danfish: Our church got rid of a steinway grand piano earlier this year for Â£2K, it was ruined by cold/damp etc, needed Â£25K of refurbishment and would be valued at Â£35K in good condition, we didn't have the Â£25K for refurb, so got rid before it rotted even more <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: :( <hoover> hi folks <awilkins> Ok - evangelism opportunity here ( to a large gov dept! ).... our current software project has now breached the limit of the 32-bit JVM on windows for heap space ... so line manager has asked me to prepare some 64-bit Ubuntu LiveUSBs with the software installed to run on our nice beefy 4GB laptops ; I've already customized the iso and added a JDK so the software will run ; I've partitioned the thumb with a casper-rw <awilkins> ; now I just need to know how to i) Set the keymap to uk on boot ii) automatically choose the new "persistent" menu config I stuck in the isolinux menu instead of the fancy try/install graphical prompt you get when you boot the maverick LiveCD. <danfish> DJones: bummer :( <DJones> danfish: Not so much, we didn't have anybody that could play it anyway :) <danfish> :) <danfish> awilkins: first things first - clone that line manager and send him my way <czajkowski> awilkins: nice <awilkins> danfish, Heheheh. I used to know how to do this too when the isolinux menu was all you got - the pretty gui is stumping me. <danfish> awilkins: does the usb disk creator in ubuntu do the persistent bit for you when you load in the iso? <AlanBell> danfish: it is a Rudohf Schuman which neither me, the piano tuner, or google have ever heard of <AlanBell> which either means it is a rare and valuable antique, or old and
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