#ubuntu 2005-02-01 <bdale> is keyspan firmware available, or do I need to build a kernel from upstream source to get that? <Ex-Cyber> so evidently it may just be coincidence that my mainboard works at all * BackSlaSh is gone.. autoaway after 15 min ..[cyp(l/on.p/on)] <Ex-Cyber> all indications so far are that I really do have a VT8377 in a board designed for a VT8367 <kbrooks> why are packages in universe not supported? <snowblink> is anyone here using KDE with Hoary? <Riddell> snowblink: yes <warty_> it works. u peeps rock! the first ditro that actually works straight out of the box <warty_> thank u <snowblink> Riddell: having trouble running things like the network configurator. Any ideas? <Ex-Cyber> warty_: yeah, it just barely missed it for me, but I'm finding that may be the fault of my mainboard manufacturer :/ <warty_> zeedo u crckface hehe <tanek> good night! <warty_> bsrf crackers <warty_> take a hike <warty_> :-) <snowblink> Riddell: just get an empty window <warty_> thanks peeps and this is only the live cd <warty_> u guys rock <warty_> we at indymedia love u <warty_> bye now :P <AndyR> anyone made a hoary live cd yet? <kbrooks> AndyR, someone has. <AndyR> is it available for d/l then? <kbrooks> Yes. <kbrooks> gimme a second to locate <AndyR> i would like to try it without committing <kbrooks> are you on a intel-based pc <AndyR> kbrooks, yes <kbrooks> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-2/hoary-install-i386.iso <AndyR> live cd? <kbrooks> locating <kbrooks> and that isnt the live cd <kbrooks> sorry, misread <AndyR> ok np :) <kbrooks> hold on <krischan> hey guys, what command can I use to make the PC speaker beep? I want to create an alarm signal. <kbrooks> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/hoary-live-i386.iso <kbrooks> there. <AndyR> kbrooks, great, thank you <kbrooks> you are very welcome * AndyR wants is check everything works before committing to warty --> hoary upgrade <kbrooks> you cant add packages...not unless you remount / first <kbrooks> mount -o remount, rw -f / <AndyR> i will do a apt-get upgrade if all work <kbrooks> you cant add them onto the live cd btw <AndyR> thats fine <sergeantmcd> AndyR, does the ubuntu installer assume the drives are partitioned and formated? <lexhider> just noticed the latest upload for gnome-menus mentioning "gnome launch box", where can this box be found? <jdub> it hasn't been uploaded yet <Ex-Cyber> so now I have an entirely more plausible theory: I got a Soyo Dragon KT400 Lite in a Dragon KT333 box because someone couldn't tell the difference <Ex-Cyber> hard to be sure though <Ex-Cyber> in any case my X performance has magically gotten much better <saif> hello <lexhider> ta <AndyR> sergeantmcd, no <saif> just installed ubuntu on my laptop, 2 things i couldn <saif> 't figure out, <saif> how do i get IR to work' <saif> and how to set cpu freq to 100% all the time? * AndyR is running warty on his laptop <saif> I once managed to get to a site that gives beginners a good place to start for ubuntu, how to mount drives and some stuff u have to add in a file in order for the apt-get and update commands wo work <saif> and get packages <kbrooks> the 'file' is none other than sudo <kbrooks> super user do <saif> hehe <saif> no i got that part <poppo> saif : which site is it ? <saif> there is a configuration file, in which u specify where synaptec should get the name of packages from, and where to find those package lists <saif> poppo: i don't remember :( <monkey89> /etc/apt/sources.list? <saif> i'll go check, i have to ucomment some stuff and add a url to that list * neighborlee is back (gone 01:17:32) <bdale> is there some reason the instructions at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelCompileHowto don't talk about the --initrd option to make-kpkg, and instead suggest/insist you build a non-modular kernel for core io? <keyshawn2> saif: did you check the forum yet ? * keyshawn2 knows he's seen it before, scurries to get the link. <FX|Laptop> hello <FX|Laptop> Wondering if anyone can give me a hand. <saif> keyshawn2: nop, nothin yet, just dropped by here :) and it is the source.list file i was looking for :) thanx <FX|Laptop> I just upgraded to hoary and I cannot load X <keyshawn2> is this it ? <AndyR> it? * keyshawn2 sent link to saif. <AndyR> ah ok <keyshawn2> what irc client do you use here ? question open to all. * keyshawn2 uses xchat. <saif> xchat <HrdwrBoB> irssi <kbrooks> gosh <gen> irssi <kbrooks> suddenly my internet is slow <kbrooks> xchat and irssi <BackSlaSh> bitchx <Quest-Master> XChat. <Quest-Master> :) <red_cpu> hi <FX|Laptop> any ideas on my no x in hoary? <nburns> xchat.. irssi sometimes though <randabis> xchat <gen> i use mirc via wine, hurr <gen> only kidding :) <red_cpu> any one know one time pad? <keyshawn2> srry, fx, never used hoary. <Quest-Master> Irssi and XChat look identical <Quest-Master> :o <jrydberg_> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/samba/smbclient_3.0.7-1ubuntu6.2_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: +1-585-472-9035 80] <jrydberg_> somethings has changed? <Printer_Prob> Hi all <Printer_Prob> anyone willing to help out with CUPS usb printer conifg please? <kbrooks> Printer_Prob, ASK <kbrooks> goddammit. <Ex-Cyber> hmm <Ex-Cyber> X still seems to get backed up sometimes <Ex-Cyber> but it is substantially faster <Printer_Prob> kbrooks: thanks. We're new to linux and using these two refs, http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-23872-0-asc-12.html and http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/howto/CANON-I850-CUPS haven't been able to get it working... canon i550 printer <Printer_Prob> kbrooks: ppd driver doesn't seem to really work or give access to all configs, think it's probably not working, any ideas/ <Printer_Prob> ? <caleb_> any plans for an xorg-dev package in hoary? <Printer_Prob> any one can help with setting up a printer? <SCube> Where are Hoary live CDs available for download? <kbrooks> SCube, <kbrooks> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/hoary-live-i386.iso <SCube> kbrooks: thanks. downloading now. <mindphasr> How do I not let ubuntu dist-upgrade upgrade to kernel 2.6.10? <mindphasr> keep montgomeryrobert@example.net <Quest-Master> kbrooks: Would you happen to know how to reformat a memory stick and still have my digital camera be able to read it? <kbrooks> Quest-Master, No. <Quest-Master> :( <Quest-Master> Anyone else? <keyshawn2> printer_prob: is there another printer model # besides that one ? <keyshawn2> on it ? <icerogue> hi all <SCube> Quest-Master: what filesystems have you tried? <Quest-Master> SCube: That's the problem, I don't know how to format a memory stick <Quest-Master> :P <Printer_Prob> keyshawn2: all we can see is Canon i550 on the top, or where else would we look? It is also using the japanese canon linux drivers, there the printer is known as pixus <keyshawn2> on the back of it, is there a label ? <keyshawn2> try checking this page - http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Canon <SCube> Quest-Master: It should be one of the mkfs.FSTYPE commands. Try mkfs.msdos /dev/DEVICE. <vasi> i just added some RAM, does this mean i have to bump my swap partition? <kbrooks> SCube, HOLD ON <Adrenal> anyone else hear, outlook is gonna now be a paid service? <thenuke> vasi: I think not. <vasi> since now real memory > space on swap <kbrooks> DON'T! <kbrooks> Quest-Master, ignore him. <thenuke> vasi: I have never understood that rule "have a swap 2x your RAM" <Quest-Master> kbrroks: Ok :\ <Quest-Master> *brooks, ack <thenuke> like if I was to have 10gigs of ram, I should have then 20gigs of swap? <kbrooks> Quest-Master, you don't want to be messing with msdos. <thenuke> wtf.. <HrdwrBoB> vasi: no <thenuke> need for swap for sure must depend on what I am doing with my box :) <kbrooks> Quest-Master, look on your photo's manufacturer site <HrdwrBoB> thenuke: you are absolutely right <vasi> thenuke: i was under the impression that linux needed at least as much swap as RAM, hmm....where can i learn more? <Quest-Master> kbrooks: Might just try calling Sony and see what they say <kbrooks> vasi, no. <HrdwrBoB> vasi: use your own good judgement <SCube> kbrooks: It should be mkfs.msdos or mkfs.vfat, right? <HrdwrBoB> I've run machines entirely without swap for a long time <thenuke> HrdwrBoB: did you mean that part, "if I have 10gigs RAM, I should have 20gigs ram" :D <HrdwrBoB> generally handy to have swap <HrdwrBoB> but eh <HrdwrBoB> thenuke: no, the other bit <kbrooks> SCube, well, you haven't gotten the full story. <HrdwrBoB> where you said it was garbage <scoon> vasi: the rule of thumb is 2*ram should be your swap size. <regeya> OK, here's my issue: I imported some captured video into Kino. I've encoded it using the mpeg2enc/mp2enc method. Audio is spot-on at the beginning, but after about an hour of video the audio is off by, say, 3 seconds(!) I've tried deinterlacing the video, same result, and I've tried different audio sampling rates, and I've even tried using the ffmpeg scripts inclded with Kino. I'm a bit confused. :-/ <scoon> vasi, but that is just a "rule of thumb" <scoon> vasi, i have 1g of ram and keep 1g of swap <thenuke> vasi: sorry but I do not know where you could learn more about swapping, if I were you and I were interested on that matter, I would try googling with keywords, linux, swapping, swap, swapspace, and so on <kbrooks> scoon, please! <thenuke> and maybe "how does linux use swap" or something.. <scoon> kbrooks, ? <vasi> is it possible to put swap in a file (or multiple files) on my root partition, like OS X does? so that way there's no hard limit....anyway, i've been googling it, it's hard to find good info, i'll keep trying <thenuke> vasi: it is possible, but I dont remember how you did that :D <kbrooks> scoon, too much is too much <thenuke> it must be very simple indeed <scoon> kbrooks, you are correct. try reading before attacking <thenuke> scoon: well, have you ever utilized that swap even a bit :) <scoon> kbrooks, i said "rule of thumb" <kbrooks> scoon, ok. fine then. <scoon> thenuke, nope. but w/ 160gigs <scoon> kbrooks, but i was just stating a rule of thumb <Printer_Prob> keyshawn2: we can't find any other info than i550, thanks for your link, though we can't see our printer there strangely... <scoon> i set up 1gig of swap and I have 1 gig of memory <thenuke> that rule of a thumb is not wise ;D <thenuke> atleast me thinks so <thenuke> if 99.5% of ppl have no reason following it :P <scoon> thenuke, what if you only have 256m of ram. <thenuke> we should correct that rule a bit <scoon> thenuke, learn what "rule of thumb" means <thenuke> scoon: I have 64megs, and run a modified X and a fluxbox and so on, and I think I have never needed any swap ;D <SCube> vasi: yes, thats possible. you use dd to create the swapfile, then mkswap on it, and finally swapon. <vasi> SCube, is it growable? or do i have to grow it manually? <scoon> thenuke, good for you. <vasi> thanks btw :-) <scoon> thenuke, is that your primary box ? <thenuke> no, I use that box for firefox and such <keyshawn2> printer: try here - http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=702 <scoon> thenuke, what do you use it for. internet, email, or anything else ? <icerogue> whats the package that pretty much gives you everything need to run make <thenuke> anyways, if I had 256megs of ram, I think about 256M of swap would be enough <keyshawn2> it says to use the bjc 800 driver instead. <thenuke> but to be sure I would have 512M of swap or more <SCube> vasi: It is not growable on the fly. You must select the file size when you create it. <scoon> thenuke, again, "rule of thumb" comes into play. <Printer_Prob> keyshawn2: thanks very much, that's the printer and we didn't know about that resource... we could try with that driver, thanks again <vasi> tnx SCube <MeSoo> Join my irc server and have some fun @ filecomm.zapto.org:6667 #FileComm <MeSoo> Join my irc server and have some fun @ filecomm.zapto.org:6667 #FileComm <MeSoo> Join my irc server and have some fun @ filecomm.zapto.org:6667 #FileComm <MeSoo> Join my irc server and have some fun @ filecomm.zapto.org:6667 #FileComm <MeSoo> Join my irc server and have some fun @ filecomm.zapto.org:6667 #FileComm <MeSoo> Join my irc server and have some fun @ filecomm.zapto.org:6667 #FileComm <MeSoo> Join my irc server and have some fun @ filecomm.zapto.org:6667 #FileComm <scoon> thenuke, for you that may be the case. but for a person who could be "doing more" w/ their box, 2X ram may be better for them. <Quest-Master> haha <daniels> *sigh* <thenuke> that rule of thumb should state something like, "if you have 64M of ram, have 4x swap, if you have .. .. 256M, have 2x swap" <HrdwrBoB> the rule of thumb is 'have some swap' <scoon> thenuke, NO. don't get caught up in an EXACT amount. interpret "rule of thumb" as a suggestion <icerogue> the system i am working on now has 32mb and a 166 mhz proccessor <thenuke> anyways, if someone asks me how much they should have swap, I would feel stupid just saying, 2x ram, without asking how much ram do they actually have <HrdwrBoB> given that ram costs $SFA <jimbo> what sound card should I get for ubuntu? <HrdwrBoB> just buy some more <scoon> thenuke, i didn't say that. <SCube> jimbo: check the alsa-project.org webpage for supported cards. <keyshawn2> uhh..is that lamer going to get banned ?! <Quest-Master> jimbo: Most Creative cards work really well. I am on a Soundblaster Live LS <jimbo> SCube: ty <Quest-Master> jimbo: It was only $29.99 too <abysmal> does supported mean all features are supported and driven though <jimbo> I have a sound blaster live 24 bit , but no sound <neighborlee> in not so sure upgrading to hoary on my 'main' OS is smart...so how do I get past this error where nvidia installer says i've got the wrong kernel source..indeed ubuntu came with : 156.14.161.142-2-i386 yet the linux-source pacakge is : +1-585-472-9035 ;(.. ?? <SCube> Does anyone know why my CD-ROM and CD-RW are not automounted anymore? I have gnome-volume-manager set up to automount. <jimbo> I'm new and maybe I have no idea what to do.. lol <abysmal> im guessing imac g5s are out of the question for linux, i really wanted to try this <vasi> oh cool, there are dynamic swap managers available <Quest-Master> abysmal: Why? <vasi> abysmal: http://macslash.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/12/2146223&mode=thread <abysmal> yeah but I have no idea how to use those patches <abysmal> patch the iso? <SCube> jimbo: try `lsmod | grep snd'. Your driver should be snd_emu10k1 I believe. <jimbo> Scube: ty <HaRDaWaY> hello <vasi> nope abysmal, i bet they're kernel patches <vasi> gentoo has a page up re: imac g5 http://dev.gentoo.org/~tgall/ <HaRDaWaY> i have one question, i have ubuntu hoary with xorg, 6.8.1, i want to use fglrx drivers of ati, i have to install it with apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx ? <daniels> HaRDaWaY: yes <HaRDaWaY> only with this? <neighborlee> is there by chance a hoary iso to download and install over warty with or must I just synaptic all of it ;( <HaRDaWaY> or..i have to change driver, to "fglrx" in the xorg.conf or anything ? <MFen> anyone know how to get vnc at boot, complete with a gdm login window? <linuxn00b> hey guys I need to copy a folder from my montgomeryrobert@example.net i'm not sure how. I can ssh into it but I can't transfer anything :s and I really need these file <optyk> linuxn00b: scp <linuxn00b> but I need to retrive them not send...i thought scp can only send. <vasi> i think you can retrieve with 'scp user@machine:/remote/path /local/path' <optyk> yup <optyk> or you can use sftp <Scognito> hi all <linuxn00b> optyk, nothing is happening <linuxn00b> I think it's because of the router here <HaRDaWaY> how install ati fglrx drivers in my ubuntu hoary with xorg 6.8.1 ? <Scognito> [hoary] gnome-cd doesn't fetch automatically the track information from internet, any hint? <Scognito> only sound juicer download them <jdub> Scognito: works here <Scognito> jdub, hoary? <jdub> yeah <vasi> thanks for your help everyone! <Scognito> damn! <jdub> run cddb-slave2-properties <Scooter> will it slow down my Ubuntu if I install KDE? there are a few programs i want to use once in a blue moon for KDE... TIA :) <jdub> see if it's misconfigured <Scognito> so it is my problem... * regeya gives up on ever being able to convert dv->dvd with correct audio sync, sighs, orders a copy of XP and a professional NLE <jdub> Scognito: putting software on the disk won't slow your system down <HaRDaWaY> ccc <Scognito> i have: 1) don't send information, and 2) Server roundrobin FreeDB <jdub> Scooter: and you can install them individually <jdub> Scognito: sounds about right <Scooter> Oo cool <Scooter> Thanks again Jdub you Rock :D <Scognito> jdub, in works with sound juicer <Scognito> do you have hoary up to date? <jdub> Scognito: do you need a proxy? have you set your gnome proxy? <jdub> yes <Scognito> never used proxy in my life :) <Scognito> and it worked, don't know when this problem started <linuxn00b> crap, when I try to scp I keep getting "Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). <linuxn00b> " I know i'm putitng in the right password <SCube> linuxn00b: if you have a recent lftp, you can connect to a ssh server as a ftp site. <linuxn00b> SCube, ok i;ll try that <caleb_> jdub: you have any insider info on getting an xorg-dev package in hoary? <jdub> caleb_: daniels can answer :) <caleb_> daniels: *ping* <linuxn00b> LMFAO!!!!!!!! i've been entering the wrong IP hahahhaha <gen> that's not too funny <Scognito> jdub, have you tried goobox? <odyssey> thats just dumb <Quest-Master> daniels: What should I do if I am interested in being a software developer for Ubuntu? <jdub> Quest-Master: see the new maintainer pages on the wiki <jdub> Scognito: yes, but s-j is better. :) <Quest-Master> Is that for software developers as well? <daniels> caleb_: pong <caleb_> daniels: any news on a xorg-dev package? <Scognito> jdub, i love the cover to be displayed eh eh <daniels> caleb_: uh? <Scognito> btw goobox doesn't show artist information too.. :( <jdub> Quest-Master: soon we will have a distinction between committers and maintainers, but we don't for the moment. <daniels> caleb_: general development headers for client-side libraries, or building drivers out-of-tree? <jdub> Scognito: perhaps freedb is having problems, s-j uses musicbrainz <caleb_> daniels: client side libs <daniels> caleb_: ... they're all there ... <daniels> caleb_: which library do you want? <Scognito> jdub, good <Scognito> so maybe it is a freedb problem <Scognito> but... <Scognito> you told me it is working on you... :( <caleb_> daniels: I'm needing a package that includes X11/Intrinsic.h <caleb_> well, provides rather <daniels> caleb_: that would be libxt-dev <Scognito> daniels, are you muine maint? <daniels> Scognito: no <Scognito> sorry, packager i mean <jdub> Scognito: sounded like it was intermittent for you <daniels> Scognito: i'm neither <Scognito> daniels, eh eh ok sorry...little mistake <Scognito> jdub, if sj doesn't use cddb2 then cddb is fucked <caleb_> daniels: ahhhhh thanks! sorry for the confusion. The RH package was named xorg-x11-devel <daniels> caleb_: yeah, we have it split up into one for each library, more or less <caleb_> daniels: thats cool. thanks again. <daniels> np <borgista> ~O) <chapter3> hello all <chapter3> is there any way to use 2.6.9 in warty? <borgista> i'm sure you could just recompile the kernel yourself. <borgista> as far as i know. <HaRDaWaY> i use kernel 2.6.10-3 in hoary, and..i need to install ati drivers for xorg 6.8.1 <Yannick_> anyone made totem read dvd movies? <HaRDaWaY> :S <borgista> Now, my problem: I can't play CDs. This is pretty dumb, I know. I've been able to make my PC play CDs with other distros. But this time, no dice. <chapter3> ok, also, is there a way to "revert" back to warty after an upgrade to horay? <gusto> how do you upgrade to horay? <jdub> chapter3: not sanely, no <jdub> gusto: see the hoary upgrade guide on the wiki <HaRDaWaY> there are some howto to install ati drivers with xorg 6.8.1 ? <gusto> jdub: thanks <jdub> HaRDaWaY: they're in hoary already <HaRDaWaY> jdub, but...then i only have to make: apt-get install fglrx-drivers ? <HaRDaWaY> or, xorg-fglrx-drivers <daniels> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx <HaRDaWaY> aha, and....anything more? <caleb_> are there plans for NetworkManager in ubuntu? <HaRDaWaY> i dont have to change ati to fglrx in xorg.conf ? <jdub> caleb_: possibly next release <HaRDaWaY> or run fglrxconfig <chapter3> i'm having bad video performance, and i wanted to upgrade to horay to see if it fixed it <icerogue> what is a good low resorce mp3 player for linux? <daniels> HaRDaWaY: change ati to fglrx in xorg.conf <HaRDaWaY> ok thanks <lexhider> icerogue: xmms <icerogue> tnx <icerogue> thanks <chapter3> anybody else had slow redraw in gnome with ubuntu? <HaRDaWaY> hello <HaRDaWaY> daniels, not runs, i have installed ati drivers, but...when i make: modprobe fglrx: "module not found" <daniels> HaRDaWaY: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) <HaRDaWaY> ok thx * drspin is trying iTunes on Xover Office <drspin> how do I launch it? <brittBS> is anyone having problems with dist-upgrading to latest hoary? I am getting problems with libgtksourceview <brittBS> is this a known issue right now? <Kokey> Hi! I've upgrade to Hoary, and now can't run gnome, runs gdm, but not gnome <cafuego> Mine updated fine 2 hours ago. <randabis-laptop> maybe the upate didn't finish <neighborlee> why is the provided linuxsource package 2.6.8 not the same as the default kernel that comes with ubuntu ?.ie: downloadable source package says its 156.14.161.142-2-i386 where uname -r shows +1-585-472-9035...ie: my nvidia driver wont compile against it ;( ????? <brittBS> cafuego, odd ... it's saying libgtksourceview-common's /usr/share/gtksourceview-1.0/language-specs/nemerle.lang is conflicting with the libgtksourceview-cil package <randabis-laptop> why are you compiling the nvidia driver? <neighborlee> only way around it I guess is to upgrade to hoary to get new nvidia but gez that'll take 3 hours at the rate its downloading at!! lol <Kokey> in my case, don't finish, then I run apt-get -f install and then dist-upgrade again <Kokey> and finish well <neighborlee> randabis-laptop, because the nvidia driver that comes with ubuntu is 6111..I need to try the latest one because of some sluggish behavior im seeing <brittBS> is doing this on both my notebook and desktop <randabis-laptop> ah <randabis-laptop> you could try grabbing the one from hoary, but I don't know about that <cafuego> brittBS: lemme see if it have that montgomeryrobert@example.net. <randabis-laptop> but if you must compile the driver, you don't need the kernel source <randabis-laptop> you need the kernel headers <cafuego> brittBS: yeah, I don't have libgtksourceview-cil installed. <brittBS> cafuego, hrm ... but you have libgtksourceview-common? <neighborlee> randabis-laptop, worth a shot <cafuego> brittBS: yep <randabis-laptop> you'll have to specify the path to the headers <cafuego> brittBS: Check which app wanted the -cil version on your box <Xenguy> gusto: because altho Ubuntu is OT in this #, freebsd apparently is not :p <Xenguy> gah - ww <brittBS> cafuego: -cil is mono stuff ... so I'll just remove mono from my desktop for now ... not critical. <kbrooks> hmmm. i need to loop over characters ub a String <drspin> well it's almost useable... <drspin> I may use it just for file management :) <kbrooks> in* <kbrooks> oops <kbrooks> wrong chan <moyote> Could someone remind me how to get xterm back. Every time I open xterm it closes. I know there is a way to correct this, but I can't remember. Thank you. <brittBS> i can't do an apt-get remove right now because it is saying i have to do an apt-get -f ... but I don't want to fix things, I'm just going to remove the problem. <brittBS> how can I bypass this? <cafuego> brittBS: You can always force the install (dpkg --force-overwrite -i foo.deb) <brittBS> cafuego, more specifically i want to force no checking in apt-get ... i didn't see it in the man <cafuego> brittBS: If apt-get downloaded it, it's fine. it's just a file wanting to overwrite. <kleper> i new whit ubuntu <kleper> i need now the password of root when i intall the net system? <randabis-laptop> ubuntu doesn't use the root account <Adrenal> u can make one however <randabis-laptop> unless you enable it after the install <Adrenal> try running the command through sudo <kokey> please somebody can help me with my gnome in hoary <Adrenal> kokey:what up? <kokey> don't enter to gnome <Adrenal> eh? <kokey> gdm runs well <randabis-laptop> he broke his gnome when he upgraded to hoary <kokey> yes that's it <kokey> sorry about my poor english ;) <Adrenal> no problem <Adrenal> hmm, damn <Adrenal> seriously, i have no idea? <randabis-laptop> yeah I don't know what to do either <Adrenal> dl and install an older version of gnome <Adrenal> ? <randabis-laptop> you could try to remove gnome and reinstall it possibly <Adrenal> or try xfce * randabis-laptop uses xfce 4.2 on this laptop :) <kokey> Adrenal that's good, I'll try xfce by now <Adrenal> grand, then try reinstalling gnome through that <kokey> ok <randabis-laptop> do you get any errors when you try to run gnome? <randabis-laptop> have you tried running a gnome failsafe session? <kokey> randabis-laptop no errors, and can't use failsafe <randabis-laptop> so what happens? <kokey> sorry, got to go, I'm in the office, BRB, Thanks!!!! <randabis-laptop> lol <Adrenal> bitch x ay? <Adrenal> nah, i prefer xchat <Adrenal> hmm, when i try to use tor and privoxify through firefox, or, anything, it always just completely stops it from connecting <Adrenal> anyone wanna hazard a guess as to why? <randabis-laptop> I likes my xchat too <swim> hay folks, need some help, booted up, ran startx and gnome started but Im getting blank background as well as blank background... what I did before rebooting was, I did chmod -x /etc/something/gdm and added nvidia to /etc/modules ... thats all <bennyp> Hello! Where can I find a complete list of packages in ubuntu universe? <bennyp> swim - can you check your logs to see if the module was loaded properly? <bennyp> also, the problem might be in gdm, check the gdm logs <swim> bennyp, nvidia module? I saw the splash... <bennyp> hmmm.... so it's probably gdm <bennyp> is anyone on the forum exporiencing the same problem? <swim> where is the gdm log? <jdub> bennyp: the packages.gz in the archive :) <jdub> swim: /var/log/gdm/ <swim> havent had a chance to check yet bennyp <swim> thx jdub <bennyp> jdub: i'm not near an ubuntu pc right now, is there a list on the web? <jdub> bennyp: yeah, the Packages.gz in the archive -> archive.ubuntu.com <bennyp> oh sweet hehe thanks <bennyp> ubuntu has great community. I'm using gentoo right now to make music... i want to see how many sound apps ubuntu has <blaze> Hey all <bennyp> hello <jdub> bennyp: if it's in debian, it's in universe <swim> hrmm I dont see anything in particular in the /var/log/gdm, so I guess Ill do a chmod +x /etc/something/gdm (where is that btw?) and reboot and see if that was the issue <bennyp> great thanks <bennyp> chmod +x makes a file executable <swim> yah I know :) <swim> I asked Where is that, not What is that <mebaran> Anybody know how to activate the templates in gnome <mebaran> so I could just right click to make a new document anywhere on the desktop <jdub> mebaran: mkdir ~/Templates <jdub> mebaran: throw some files in there <mebaran> ok cool <bennyp> swim: locate gdm <mebaran> just any blank files <jdub> mebaran: yep <jdub> mebaran: or non-blank ;) <mebaran> haha <mebaran> ah <mebaran> now I see <mebaran> thanks jdub! <mebaran> also <mebaran> is anyone experience any major evolution problems in that it wont start, or let me edit preferences anymore <bennyp> Well the Hydrogen package is up to date, but ZynAddSubFX is behind. How can I find out who maintains a particular package? <Scognito> hi all <mebaran> jdub: does gnome need a reboot after I do that <mebaran> must I restart X <Scognito> can someone play midi files on ubuntu? I don't know how to play them <mebaran> etc <mebaran> Scognito: do you know what kind of snd card you have <jdub> mebaran: killall nautilus :) <mebaran> ok <Scognito> mebaran, sb128 <swim> yup it was the gdm thing, but thats lame I dont like using gdm, or starting montgomeryrobert@example.net... there has to be a way I can disable that and still be able to use gnome ... anyone? <jdub> mebaran: once the templates dir is there, it will automagically update the menu of templates <mebaran> ah Scognito: you need to load a sound font <jdub> mebaran: but it won't detect if it's created <Scognito> 0000:00:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 0a) <scoon> swim, take a montgomeryrobert@example.net <bennyp> What MIDI player are you using? <mebaran> oh jdub: sexy <Scognito> bennyp, i tried kmid <mebaran> that is actually the most logical setup I could think of <mebaran> it should be better documented <bennyp> have you checked the logs from kmid? <Scognito> bennyp, it doesn't start <Scognito> i need some apply easy to use <bennyp> try starting kmid from terminal <bennyp> see what the error message is <Scognito> bennyp, it hangs on some kde errors...btw i don't want to use kde apps <bennyp> ok <bennyp> try playmidi <Scognito> trying playmidi <Scognito> :) <bennyp> there are many many midi players to try <Scognito> bennyp, do you have midi working? <swim> is there a wav file editor for gnome? <bennyp> audacity <swim> thought that was qt? <Scognito> open /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory <bennyp> scognito: i'm not even using ubuntu right now, i'm using gentoo (gasp!!) <bennyp> hmmm <Scognito> trying to load snd-seq <bennyp> thats a problem <bennyp> what is your sound card? <Scognito> sound blaster 128 <Scognito> btw i did modprobe snd-seq <swim> is ubuntu unlike some other debian based distros where its perfectly safe to use debian pkgs? is it really better to use only ubuntu packages? <Scognito> and i got no prompt...it is hanged <bennyp> hmm <bennyp> it could be the kernel module <dafox7> i know it must have been talked about before, but can anybody point me out why xmms isn't working ? <Cinder> what do you mean by not working ? <Scognito> bennyp, syslog tells me it tries to create some devs: <Scognito> Jan 21 03:37:33 Doolittle udev[8988] : creating device node '/dev/sequencer' <Scognito> Jan 21 03:37:33 Doolittle udev[8997] : creating device node '/dev/sequencer2' <Scognito> these are the last 2 lines <jdub> swim: stick to ubuntu packages, you should find everything you need in universe <dafox7> Cinder, i just apt-get install xmms, and i get an error <swim> jdub, ok will do <dafox7> Cinder, well I get the error when I load xmms <bennyp> I am doing a clusty search right now for you.. have you searched the forums? <swim> jdub, ah another ubuntu question, I just came from archlinux where updating is easy and quick and should be done once a week at least because things come out for it so fast... should one update ubuntu every now and then like that? if so whats the safest way to do so (btw Im using hoary) <Scognito> i'm googling <bennyp> what is in /etc/modules.conf <Cinder> back <bennyp> there should be lines like <bennyp> alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss <mindphasr> swim: apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade .. i do it daily. <swim> mindphasr, cool thanks <swim> one more question :) is it safe to install kde apps, like amarok ... ? <Scognito> bennyp, yes i have that line <Scognito> i killed modprobe <DonL> got my 10 free copies of Ubuntu yesterday. Can't believe how popular they were around the office today <heliolith> dafox7 do you have a nvidia card, and if so could that be your xmms problem? <Scognito> and the modules seems to be loaded <dafox7> heliolith, I do habe an nvidia card <dafox7> heliolith, I do have an nvidia card <heliolith> dafox7 'cause I do, and had to install additional lib <heliolith> dafox7 sec <Scognito> hem sorry my sc is a sound blaster live 5.1 <bennyp> ok <dafox7> I can't get to work my nvidia drivers as well :-( <bennyp> do you have a file called /etc/modules.d/alsa? <heliolith> dafox7: sudo apt-get install libmikmod <Scognito> bennyp, no <Scognito> but alsa works <swim> crimsun, are you about? <bennyp> do you have awesfx installed? <Scognito> no <jdub> swim: if you're using hoary, it's up to you <Scognito> going to install it <bennyp> you may need that to use the onboard midi synth on your sblive <jdub> swim: you'll only find and fix the good bugs if you're keeping up :) <Scognito> ok installed <dafox7> heliolith, how can i load the nvidia module in ubuntu ? <heliolith> dafox7 I followed the instructions here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713 and it worked for me <heliolith> dafox7 but I'm a complete newb... just trying to help <thundrcleeze> should I use synaptic to install the nvidia or should I get a more recent one from the nvidia site? <bennyp> does it work now? <swim> one other important question: the new nvidia drivers do not work for me (6229) so I had to downgrade nvidia packages/ kernel ... so how can I put those on hold so that when I do a apt-get dist-upgrade it does not mess with those? <CLucas916> i think im losing my mind. i can find all of the xmms plugins but i cant find xmms <bennyp> also, try the aplaymidi command <Scognito> bennyp, i didn't used awesfx <thundrcleeze> swim, force version <bennyp> you may need to have awesfx installed <thundrcleeze> swim, it's under package, lock version <Scognito> bennyp, i've just installed it <Scognito> aplaymidi wants a port (?) <bennyp> hmmm <swim> thundrcleeze, under package? <CLucas916> i think im losing my mind. i can find all of the xmms plugins but i cant find xmms <Scognito> is it so hard to play midi on linux??? <thundrcleeze> swim, sorry I was thinking of synaptic. You could use that if you wanted. <superkitty> hi all <bennyp> no, but i've never done it before =) <bennyp> so it will be hard untill we find the answer together <heliolith> Clucas916: did you try sudo apt-get install xmms ? <thundrcleeze> swim, otherwise there should be a command option, let me see if I can find it. <Scognito> eh eh <bennyp> perhaps you need to reload alsa after installing awesfx <mebaran> Scognito: you need to dll asfxload <CLucas916> heliolith, ya and i did apt-cache and its not there <swim> thundrcleeze, hmm I think I would preffer command line on this <superkitty> does Real PLayer play midis? <mebaran> awesfx <mebaran> no <mebaran> try playmidi <Scognito> playmidi: No playback device found. <thundrcleeze> swim, okay, let me look. Also, how did you get rid of the xserver to install the nvidia driver? <heliolith> Clucas916: and did you reboot gnome? (not sure that's necessary but would be my next guess) <bennyp> it is because /dev/sequencer has not appeared <CLucas916> that has nothing to do with it <bennyp> try reloading alsa modules and snd-seq <Scognito> bennyp, i have it <bennyp> on gentoo i type /etc/init.d/alsasound restart <Scognito> something similiar is on debian <bennyp> maybe there is an equivalent in ubuntu <Scognito> ok <swim> thundrcleeze, mmm oh at the time xserver wasnt able to start because I changed xorg.conf to hav nvidia instead of nv and since I didnt have anything installed it couldnt find nvidia module <Scognito> reloaded <thundrcleeze> swim, oh, so you didn't install the driver? <swim> thundrcleeze, I did after that yes <bennyp> do you have the same error still, Scognito? <Scognito> yes <Scognito> btw i tried kmid from root <thundrcleeze> swim, how did you go about that? Did you apt-get it or did you get it from the nvidia site like me? <Scognito> it starts, and "play" the file, but i got no sound <bennyp> hmm <Scognito> the progressbar is moving <swim> thundrcleeze, apt-got it <bennyp> you said the error was permission denied for /dev/sequencer, correct? <swim> thundrcleeze, from warty repository * tottinge wonders if protocol here is "one at a time" <Scognito> bennyp, the permission are not a great problem <Scognito> the problem for now is get sound... :) <bennyp> but if root owns /dev/sequencer and no other users can use it... <swim> does anyone know the command to lock version of certain packages so that when you run apt-get dist-upgrade those packages are not touched? <jdub> swim: echo <packagename> hold | dpkg --set-selections <Scognito> bennyp, for now i want to test by root, so i'm sure it is not a permission problem <thundrcleeze> sorry I couldn't find it swim <swim> thats cool thundrcleeze thx <Scognito> with kmid i can select several devices <dafox7> what can i use to test if my 3d acceleration work ? <freedomla> hi, i'm trying to install linux on my powerpc, but i am having trouble booting from the cd <Scognito> emu10k1 wavetable port [0...3] ALSA <jdub> dafox7: glxinfo <thundrcleeze> what packages would I get to install the nvidia driver? <Scognito> and emu10k1 mpu401 (UART) rawmidi 0 <bennyp> try them all <swim> jdub, cool thank you... btw to keep the same nvidia driver packages I have now, Ill need to hold nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common kernel-image and what else? <Scognito> wavetable0 is selected for now <graymalkin> greets <Scognito> trying others <rellik> I'm working on nvidia now... nvidia-glx-* worked for me <graymalkin> got a ? about forwarding x11 or vnc on unbuntu <graymalkin> anyone got an answer? <tottinge> depends on the question ....? <graymalkin> ...tryin to get rid of all these damn monitors :/ <Cinder> whats wrong with Ubuntu <Cinder> why does my clock take like 33.2mb of my memory <bennyp> do you have these lines in etc/modules.conf? <bennyp> alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss <bennyp> alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss <bennyp> alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss <bennyp> alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss <bennyp> alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss <bennyp> sorry bout spam <_|Imanewbie|_> can anyone please help me with 4 lines of shell script? <graymalkin> figured out how to install ssh d but, i'm a newbie with this <Scognito> bennyp, yes <Scognito> maybe now it is a problem of mixer? <hams> can i run the live cd off an amd athlon machine? <Scognito> i only get no sound but the progressbar is moving * tottinge has a keyboard that only works in console, not in gdm -- was fine when running deb sarge, but after pointing at ubuntu and dist-upgrade, this is the only obvious problem. <bennyp> it could be muted <Scognito> bennyp, do you know what is the midi mixer? * graymalkin is trying to forward x11 to a windows ssh using putty. is it easier to use vnc or synergy? <bennyp> Scognito check this page http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8736&highlight=%2Fdev%2Fsequencer <mebaran> Evolution contact importation is not working for me <tottinge> graymalkin: I always use cygwin Xwin.exe -query whateverhost --- didn't know you could through putty. <mebaran> it crashes when ever I try to add a contact or insert a vcard or change a preference <mebaran> do I report the bug to ximian or to the ubuntu bugzilla <heliolith> anyone: can anyone make sense of the error: "There was an error initializing the audio i/o layer. You will not be able to play or record audio. Error: Host error. after installing Audacity? <thundrcleeze> brb <CLucas916> can anyone think of a reason why xmms isnt in apt-cache but all the xmms plugins are? <hams> is it possible to run the x86 LiveCD from a amd64 machine? <mebaran> hams: I did <mebaran> the amd64 install is sweet <mebaran> no chroot <mebaran> just hacked openoffice <jdub> hams: but of course :) <_|Imanewbie|_> can anyone please help me with 4 lines of shell script? <jdub> hams: plus, you could test our new amd64 livecds for the devel branch <caleb_> _|Imanewbie|_: try #bash <Scognito> bennyp, ok <bennyp> i hope you find what you were looking for? <hams> jdub, willing to try it now if you got a place to download it <_|Imanewbie|_> caleb_: thanks! <bennyp> let me know if it works <jdub> hams: cdimage.ubuntu.com <swim> jdub, cool thank you... btw to keep the same nvidia driver packages I have now, Ill need to hold nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common kernel-image and what else? <hams> jdub: under what dir <bennyp> Scognito, you did modprobe snd-seq-oss? <jdub> hams: hoary <jdub> hams: just click daily-live and follow <kbrooks> CLucas916, i know why. <CLucas916> kbrooks, why <Scognito> it is modprobed <hams> jdub, current? <swim> jdub? do you know? <jdub> hams: yes <kbrooks> CLucas916, ubuntu does not ship with m[\ players <kbrooks> mp3 <jdub> swim: kernel and nvidia stuff, yes <kbrooks> but <hams> ok i'll be back in a couple hours with the results. <swim> jdub and restricted modules or something? <CLucas916> kbrooks, i know but i added mirrors and did apt-get update and it didnt come up <bennyp> Scognito: this page has usefull info http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?module=emu10k1 <jdub> swim: try and see, just watch your upgrades <kbrooks> usually enabling the universe repository will help <swim> jdub, do you know what the name of that package Im thinking about is? restricted miodules or something? <Scognito> bennyp, i'm downloading the sound fonts...it's 10mb and i'm waiting for proceed... <kbrooks> kbrooks, did you enable the universe repoistory? <Scognito> thnx in advance <jdub> swim: apt-cache search restricted modules, you'll be able to find it yourself :) <bennyp> ok. while you wait, read the page on the alsa site, it is very informative <otter> hi <bennyp> no problem, i love helping <otter> i'm connecting here with ubuntu <graymalkin> w00t <bennyp> especially the section for debian (and thus ubuntu) users <otter> livecd ran without a hitch <thundrcleeze> Why is my refresh rate locked at 60hz when I can get 85 in windows for the same resolution? <BROKEN_LADDER> jdub: what is "hal" short for? i can't find pertinent info on google. i'm trying to understand how it works, so i can see whether there's a way to make it work apart from gvm, more like autofs. <otter> thanks for ubuntu <otter> is there documentation on running windows apps, like with wine, or? <kbrooks> otter, no one here sells ubuntu cds <otter> i'm not asking for cds <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: hardware abstraction layer, but that's a misnomer. <otter> i have it running <thenuke> otter: you're welcome, that's 9,99$ anything else for you? <kbrooks> and by no one i mean absolutely no one <BROKEN_LADDER> thanks jdub <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: it is optimally used by g-v-m <kbrooks> on the dot <BROKEN_LADDER> but gvm seems like a weird hack. <jdub> it is not <jdub> again, please start asking questions before making claims <otter> i'd like to not go back to windows, so i'm looking for ways to run apps <BROKEN_LADDER> it seems to be intimately tied to gui. <jdub> g-v-m provides user-defined policy <jdub> it is not <magnon> otter: maybe you should try looking for replacements? what kind of apps? <jdub> the daemon is not at all 'tied to gui' <BROKEN_LADDER> it seems to have problems when more than one x server is using it. <magnon> BROKEN_LADDER: jeff says, ask questions before making claims, that's just plain wrong <jdub> it is configured by a gui <BROKEN_LADDER> magnon: i didn't make a claim. <Scognito> bennyp, i hope it is a sound font problem <otter> there is one specialty app for a photo lens <Scognito> but the download is slow... <BROKEN_LADDER> the g in gvm is "gnome" no? <magnon> an app for a photo _lens_? <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: yes, there are concurrency issues, it's currently designed for use on single-user machines <BROKEN_LADDER> so gvm works fine even if i'm not running x? <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: yes <otter> remotereality.com <bennyp> it wouldnt be soundfonts, you want the hardware synth (sblive wavetable) to render the sound <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: yes <CLucas916> can anyone think of a reason why xmms isnt in apt-cache but all the xmms plugins are? <BROKEN_LADDER> okay. <otter> it's a panoramic lens <magnon> otter: Ah. <kbrooks> CLucas916, damn it! <otter> can ubuntu run wine? <kbrooks> at least rtfm <BROKEN_LADDER> i guess the concurrency issue isn't really it's fault though, since having to start extra x servers to have more than one user switch between x sessions is a bit of a terrible hack. <magnon> otter: yeah, it can <bennyp> copy the sound parts from /etc/modules.conf into /etc/modutils/alsa and run update-modules <CLucas916> kbrooks, dude. thats not it <otter> is wine the best option? <kbrooks> read the ubuntu guide, CLucas916 <FLeiXiuS> otter, there is cedega, and wine-x <thundrcleeze> but they both cost money, right? <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: ... that's not the reason why there are concurrency problems, and no, multiple X servers for separate sessions is also not a terrible hack <FLeiXiuS> otter, and also crossover <magnon> otter: send the company an email and ask them for a linux version ;) <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: again, ask questions before making claims <BROKEN_LADDER> it's quite a terrible hack. <BROKEN_LADDER> it's a hack, pure and simple. <CLucas916> omg. u think its because its not on the ubuntu cd that its not on another ubuntu mirror? <jdub> it may not be what you are used to, but it is not a hack <kbrooks> BROKEN_LADDER, STOOP! <BROKEN_LADDER> it's a total hack. it's unnecessary and poor design. <FLeiXiuS> BROKEN_LADDER, what is? <kbrooks> STOP <magnon> BROKEN_LADDER: why are you insulting? <otter> thanks <kbrooks> BROKEN_LADDER, no. it is not <kbrooks> magnon, he is not <thundrcleeze> Anyone know why my refresh rate is locked at 60hz when I can get 85 in windows for the same resolution? <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: you're not backing up your claims particularly well, and given past comments from you, i'm assuming you're misinformed again. <BROKEN_LADDER> if i'm logging into gdm, gnome should just present my gnome session to me on that same x server, and display the gdm again if i go to screen saver, or want to switch users. <magnon> he is, it's free software that someone voluntarily did they're best to create <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: that's true, but that has nothing to do with the mechanics of the X servers involved <magnon> and I think it's pretty arrogant to bash it. <BROKEN_LADDER> it should work, terrible as this sounds, like the winxp login screen. <rellik> anyone know how to set up a 2nd monitor? under 'nvidia-settings' it only lists the CRT, but not the LCD <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm not bashing it, it's just not mature yet. <kbrooks> magnon, i decree that he is not <FLeiXiuS> BROKEN_LADDER, whats wrong with opening another session? <jdub> mature? dude. <jdub> far out <BROKEN_LADDER> it's a hack. <BROKEN_LADDER> it makes no sense. <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: you simply don't understand the architecture. <sladen> BROKEN_LADDER: any chance you could /nick broken_ladder my eyes are hurting <otter> back later <jdub> it works very similarly to the windows xp login screen <BROKEN_LADDER> i understand it well enough. <Ex-Cyber> X is the most mature window system still in use today :P <magnon> kbrooks: ok, repeatedly failing to understand it <jdub> only it doesn't currently have all the gui chrome <FLeiXiuS> jdub, stole what I was about to inform him of <jdub> and it is more secure <jdub> and X is vastly more mature than windows <FLeiXiuS> BROKEN_LADDER, obviously not, your logic behind it is very well un clear and incertain.. <kbrooks> magnon, yes, he is..... <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: again, you need to ask questions to find out what you're talking about before making claims. <Scognito> bennyp, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORKS <Scognito> it was a sound fonts problem <BROKEN_LADDER> you are opening up a new xserver for a new user to log in and use gnome. that's reprehensibly bad design. <jdub> no it's not <magnon> wh? <Scognito> bennyp, thank you a lot <sladen> thundrcleeze: probably because your monitor doesn't return any information when asked what refresh-rates it supports. Ubuntu has to just guess the lowest possible in that case <kbrooks> BROKEN_LADDER, no it is not. <magnon> that's pretty much intentional <jdub> it's secure, it's the optimal model for X <FLeiXiuS> BROKEN_LADDER, do you know how many security flaws there is with using the same session? <thundrcleeze> sladen, is there any way to change that? <kbrooks> BROKEN_LADDER, /nick your name. <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: would you like to ask questions about it so i can explain why? <BROKEN_LADDER> if there are flaws, they should be fixed. <kbrooks> FLeiXiuS, nnone? <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: or would you like to continue making claims without being informed <jdub> ? <jdub> i can give you a great demonstration of the X architecture in action <FLeiXiuS> BROKEN_LADDER, Hacking will always be there, its more secure and less vulnerable this way, dont complain to the Ubuntu Community, go straight to X and GNU! <BROKEN_LADDER> one of the engineers working on beos once wrote a great detailed analysis on why x is so slow.. <FLeiXiuS> BROKEN_LADDER, we're not here to wipe your eyes of tears, that'll be your own doing. If you want to cry about something go elsewhere. <jdub> if you're willing to learn. <zenrox> ya really <BROKEN_LADDER> lemee google it. it outlines these flaws. <heliolith> I think I found the conflict with audacity, this thread shows a workaround for killing esd, but what functionality will I lose if esd is off? http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6551.html <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: which is unrelated to the issue you've raised. <FLeiXiuS> kbrooks, nnone? <bennyp> no problem scognito <BROKEN_LADDER> an engineer with skills probably far exceeding the combined knowledge of everyone in here. <bennyp> it works now? <sladen> heliolith: try esddsp <magnon> heliolith: generally audio through GNOME will not play. <Scognito> bennyp, yes <magnon> but you can start it again whenever though <BROKEN_LADDER> jdub: it's totally related. <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: and those unrelated issues are rapidly being fixed. <bennyp> sweeeeet <magnon> right, I forgot esddsp <Scognito> thank you a lot <kbrooks> none <heliolith> sladen: what's esddsp do? <Scognito> :) <sladen> heliolith: in esound-client <kbrooks> i made a typo <BROKEN_LADDER> the issues are related.
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