#ubuntu-us-ca 2011-04-01 <akk> iheartubuntu: No, haven't installed ubuntu in a long time, though I did a debian squeeze install a few weeks ago. <akk> I usually upgrade in place. <nhaines> akgraner: the current Ubuntu installer for natty is pretty. :) <aaditya> #defocus is a chaos today, thanks to the new policy. <aaditya> http://blog.freenode.net/2011/04/important-service-announcement-regarding-defocus/ <m4gnus> good morning folks. anyone _here_ at the moment? <iheartubuntu> I'll be doing an at home Global Jam here in a few min and will install Unity on my comp. Hope the Walnut Creek Jam is a great turnout! <crashsystems> anyone have good April 1st links? <iheartubuntu> youtube is doing an old version of their site. (not much though) <iheartubuntu> someone made a Google Classic postcard... http://goo.gl/rM4df <iheartubuntu> not really april fools, but neat anyhow <iheartubuntu> should print it out and mail it in :) <pleia2> crashsystems: the thinkgeek ones are amusing <crashsystems> Yeah, I saw that one <crashsystems> of course, thinkgeek is _always_ amusing <pleia2> http://www.google.com/intl/en/jobs/uslocations/mountain-view/autocompleter/index.html was pretty good too <crashsystems> also, http://www.doublerainbowdaddy.com/ <pleia2> hah :) <crashsystems> ugh, I want to kick irccloud <pleia2> oh, hah, debian.org <pleia2> I guess a bunch of them did it <crashsystems> http://us.toshiba.com/spectacle <pleia2> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=21-24+Millbank+London+SW1P+4QP++United+Kingdom&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Millbank+Tower,+21-24+Millbank,+London,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.492774,-0.12454&spn=0.005571,0.013937&z=17 * MarkDude is at the Walnut Creek bug jam now <pleia2> how's it going? <pleia2> oh, just starting :) * MarkDude was here early - trying to get the internets set up- DAMN att <pleia2> MarkDude: make sure someone takes pictures :) <pleia2> we'll get them up on flickr <iheartubuntu> thanks pleia2 <pleia2> iheartubuntu: oh yes, tweets handled! * MarkDude is posting a few pics now pleia2 <pleia2> MarkDude: wanna send some to me for http://www.flickr.com/photos/ubuntu-us-ca ? <pleia2> doh, I should fix the license on these <pleia2> there <iheartubuntu> was there a plan to get the ubucon videos online? i want to relive the action! <MarkDude> I posted to FB <MarkDude> https://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=124099&id=148361495775 * MarkDude can post later <iheartubuntu> In-N-Out sticker on Jono's computer HAAAAA <pleia2> hahaha, ubuntu coffee cups :) <nhaines> I'm about to upgrade x.org, gdm, unity, software-center, apt-get, and upgrade-manager all at the same time. What could possibly go wrong? <iheartubuntu> nothing :) worked for me! <iheartubuntu> (although not on this comp) <iheartubuntu> id say thats a huge plus. i remember a few years back some beta updates i did crashed my system. <nhaines> That's a risk at any time in beta. <iheartubuntu> in my case, i have not had that happen for a long time, so +1 for Ubuntu! <akk> Ubuntu really does very well with upgrades. <akk> On another channel someone was getting all excited that SuSE was finally supporting upgrade-in-place <akk> and sheesh, that's been reliable for ubuntu for, what, 5 years? <nhaines> akk: that's what kept me off of Linux (and SuSE 9.2) back in 2003.... <akk> I remember it used to be a nightmare in Redhat, everybody always reinstalled instead of upgrading. <nhaines> And it's also what helped me switch in 2006 is that Ubuntu had upgraded just fine for the past year and a half. <pleia2> wow, I had no idea they didn't spport them until now <nhaines> I appreciate that it is not an easy thing to do. Although it's really fun to see the Ubiquity installer support upgrades now. :) <akk> Little stuff always breaks in upgrades, but not because of the upgrade, just because of software changes. <akk> But no major things (knock silicon). <nhaines> Grr, now Unity isn't raising windows or assigning focus. <grantbow> pleia2: what's that bug # you were talking about? the unity soft keyboard. <pleia2> grantbow: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/739812 <nhaines> Actually, it's not doing anything right now. Hmm, maybe I need another reboot. <grantbow> thanks <grantbow> jono: thanks for looking at that bug. I agree with pleia2 there's an issue there. <jono> grantbow, pleia2 I suspect this will be bumped to Ocelot - I agree with Mark that this does not inhibit the Ubuntu experience for a11y reasons, the classic mode still exists, but it will make Unity suck <jono> so we can still deliver an a11y experience via the classic mode, but Unity will be less compatible <jono> the a11y work bore great fruit, they just ran out of time <iheartubuntu> Grooveshark has a 3D website for april 1st... http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/ <iheartubuntu> ThinkGeek has some crazy items for sale... http://www.thinkgeek.com/ <iheartubuntu> light saber popcicles :) <iheartubuntu> "taste the force" <iheartubuntu> angry birds pork rinds <slick666> lol <slick666> have u seen th bacon soap? <iheartubuntu> youtubes 1911 viral videos... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNm8ZCJ7Fx8 <iheartubuntu> love the cat at the end licking the horn <iheartubuntu> "LinkedIn has an elaborate and fun joke this year. Log into the site, then click on Contacts â Add Connections and choose âPeople You May Know.â Youâll find out that the list is far more interesting than usual, featuring such celebrities as Robin Hood and Albert Einstein!" <broder> haha. on the subject of 4/1 pranks: http://blog.mezeske.com/?p=377 <broder> "cppsh, the bash-like shell specifically designed for those engineers who find themselves most comfortable at the reins of a C++ compiler" <pleia2> iheartubuntu: no countdown banner submission this time? <pleia2> they are still accepting, selecting on monday https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/2011-April/001148.html <iheartubuntu> pleia2 - i will do something tonite. hope i make it in. i think all these great designs are passing my skills by now :( <iheartubuntu> there was a star trek looking one a week or two ago... now i dont see it. <iheartubuntu> ohh by april 4th. i'll get at least two in :) <pleia2> they are deciding on the morning of april 4th, UK time <pleia2> so by the 3rd here really :) <iheartubuntu> ohh OK thx #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-04-02 <pleia2> doh, the boyfriend is on call this weekend so he can't come to the global jam <crashsystems> Anyone else having a problem in 11.04 where the Unity file search only finds files you've opened recently? #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-04-03 * pleia2 makes coasters <pleia2> ugh <pleia2> "wow, I discovered all these CDRs in boxes from storage! I don't need to buy more!" <pleia2> turns out they're all 100 years old and dead :) <akk> It's weird how unburned ones have a shelf life just like burned ones. <akk> I guess that shouldn't be surprising when you think about it, but it surprised me somehow. * jdeslip is getting ready to Jam <pleia2> :) * jdeslip made no preparations what so ever for the event. - is ashamed <pleia2> haha <pleia2> well, I have a few versions of burned cds for the daily builds <pleia2> working on some usb sticks, but it's slow going <jdeslip> I am just burning the beta now <pleia2> I burned one ubuntu and one xubuntu beta <jdeslip> Maybe I'll grab a Kubuntu in the spirit of DarkwingDuck <DarkwingDuck> Whoot! <pleia2> I put kubuntu on the usb sticks <DarkwingDuck> :) * jdeslip whispers - even though kde is for losers ;) <sn9> CD-R's from 1911? <akk> No, just 2007 -- pleia2 didn't mention she was using binary. <pleia2> sn9: I may have been exaggerating slightly <sn9> i have much older CD-R blanks that burn just fine <akk> CDR life is very variable. Some of them die in 2 years, some may last 10 or longer. <akk> But once they get a few years old you're on borrowed time and shouldn't count on them. * pleia2 runs out to catch bart <pleia2> arrived in berkeley :) <pleia2> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/5586230896/ <pleia2> we haz yummy pizza * pleia2 waves to jyo1 * grantbow arrived in berkeley <pleia2> \o/ <pleia2> 4 of us here now <grantbow> bug 738330 is annoying - virtualbox x drivers haven't worked for Natty for a few weeks. <grantbow> won't have to worry about x in oneiric ;-) <sn9> 11.10 is called oneiric? <crashsystems> the wiki should have a release name pronunciation guide <pleia2> hehe <pleia2> the second thing I did when I learned about oneiric was find a dictionary site that had an mp3 of the pronunciation <pleia2> (the first was to look for an ocelot stuffed animal) <nhaines> sn9: 11.10 is "oneiric ocelot". <nhaines> pleia2: I don't pronounce oneiric the same way sabdfl does. :) <crashsystems> I refused to refer to 10.10 as Maverick. The 08 election season ruined that word for me, and calling a release an "unbranded cow" just sounded funny. <sn9> meerkat <nhaines> It's just a development codename. <nhaines> "natty" has changed to "Ubuntu 10.04" since beta 1. <nhaines> Let's just pretend I said 11.04 in the first place. ;) <pleia2> nhaines: I don't think I've heard him say it <pleia2> if you don't have anything nice to say... #unity <pleia2> :\ <pleia2> woo xubuntu \o/ * crashsystems <3 unity <jyo> grantbow: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-1-gnome/+bug/697095 <grantbow> wow <pleia2> jyo: http://rww.name/articles/grub2iso.html <nhaines> pleia2: in his announcement, he said it's pronounced "ahn-eer-ick". But it's Greek, so it should be more like "ohn-eye-rick". <sn9> why -eye-? <nhaines> sn9: because it's Greek. <pleia2> packing up here now <sn9> greek, not german #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-04-04 <nhaines> sn9: German word for oneirick would be trÃ¤umig. <sn9> no "ei" in that <nhaines> Unity is optimal for playing Minecraft: http://ubuntuone.com/p/kpO/ <iheartubuntu> I only had time to pull off one Natty countdown banner idea. Its very simple and uses the Ubuntu orange. Wished I had more time. Will be working well in advance on 11.10 designs! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/NattyCountdownBanner <nhaines> iheartubuntu: I like the elegance of your design. It's a real shame it doesn't qualify. :( <pleia2> what's the trouble with it? <nhaines> pleia2: they basically said "no narwhals". <sn9> wtf <nhaines> Some of the designs there are a bit gaudy.... I think Anthony Scarth's design's probably the nicest, or Leandro GÃ³mez's. But iheartubuntu's is very clean, and that's something most of the others are lacking. <pleia2> ah, I knew they said they didn't want animals a few countdown banners ago, but I didn't realize it had continued (and they didn't include that on the guidelines) <pleia2> "it would probably be inappropriate to over-emphasize narwhal graphics" <pleia2> from the announcement <sn9> pink unicorns <pleia2> they should add that to the guidelines on the wiki, seems like a few people didn't realize <nhaines> Yeah, I was surprised not to find it on the wiki page. <sn9> "they" ? it's a wiki <pleia2> sn9: changing the guidelines for someone else's contest is not good form <iheartubuntu> well, i tried not make the narwhal stand out with any detail. just an outline. <nhaines> iheartubuntu: it's better than the aqua one with the dancing narwhal. :) <iheartubuntu> there can always be exceptions :) (or not) <pleia2> hehe, I quite like the cartoony one ;) <iheartubuntu> so do i! <iheartubuntu> i tihnk its good to have more than just one or two designs. <iheartubuntu> a cartoon design would work great on, well, my cartoon site <iheartubuntu> DUH - i just figured out i can ftp into my servers right from a "places" folder <nhaines> Any Nautilus folder will let you ftp in. <nhaines> nautilus is pretty awesome. :) <sn9> unity isn't <nhaines> Unity is awesome, too. <nhaines> It's perfect for playing Minecraft. <nhaines> Q.E.D. <nhaines> Unity's awesomeness is much more recent, though. <nhaines> pleia2: I just picked up the book "15 Minutes Including Q&Q: A Plan to Save the World From Lousy Presentations". I'll let you know if it's any good. <pleia2> nhaines: thanks :) <nhaines> pleia2: the Slashdot review (plus the title) sounded promising and the $2.99 Kindle price was too good to pass up. :) <pleia2> ah nice <pleia2> I was asked to submit a keynote talk for a little foss event back east last week, if I'm selected my stuffed animal audience will be well-used by the time I'm ready for it <nhaines> pleia2: oh wow, that's great! :D <nhaines> Someday I'll give a keynote. :) <pleia2> yeah, we'll see, it's just a little conference but I have to start somewhere :) <nhaines> pleia2: how many times do you practice a speech before you give it? <pleia2> nhaines: depends on the talk, 8 times is probably average though <pleia2> I always set aside at least 8 hours for just speaking prep <nhaines> pleia2: I'm always a little lazy on setting aside time. I do a lot of talking out loud as I'm writing notes and creating slides. <nhaines> I even manage to convince myself I'll sound more ad-libbing and off-the-cuff. :) <nhaines> Even though I know that even when I was an instructor and giving the same 7-hour Excel lesson week after week, my "spontaneous" jokes were all well-planned in advance. <iheartubuntu> so thats what the stuffed animals are for! <iheartubuntu> pleia2 is going to have lucid dreams of talking to life sized furry humans. i would be worried when they start chasing you <pleia2> cute fluffy things are never aggressive :) <iheartubuntu> :D <iheartubuntu> im going natty on this computer. be back in a few <iheartubuntu> (minutes? hours?) <iheartubuntu> natty still installing on my desktop. doing all the updates <nhaines> pleia2: it was a pretty good book. :) Not 100% applicable to every talk I'll give, but definitely had some good ideas in it. <iheartubuntu> 14 min to go for natty. i notice on the desktop im installing with nvidia, the topbar didnt work <nhaines> iheartubuntu: during the Ubiquity installer? It doesn't work on ATI either. <iheartubuntu> yes <iheartubuntu> i didnt experience that on this laptop with built in graphics <iheartubuntu> but it will work one installed? :) <iheartubuntu> (gulp) <nhaines> Yes, for me there's a missing icon and the top panel is only about 4px high. It's really annoying. <iheartubuntu> yes, thats exactly what it looks like right now <nhaines> Aww, UDS-S is in Orlando. <iheartubuntu> i saw that. did anyone here go to it last yr? <kdub> wasnt it in orlando last time? <iheartubuntu> yah <kdub> shuttleworth must like florida i guess <pleia2> apparently it was a 2 year deal <broder> UDS-S is, what, 13.10? <broder> ah, the rumor is UDS-P not -S. that's...slightly less absurdly in advance <iheartubuntu> OMGubuntu mentioned it could be in FL again for budget reasons. dont know if they had a source to that or just speculation <broder> I don't have anything to compare against, but I thought the Caribe Royale was nice <iheartubuntu> woohoo! 3rd place in countdown banners! <pleia2> oh, did they announce them? <iheartubuntu> shhh! i didnt finish reading the email. im not supposed to tell anyone! <iheartubuntu> dang <pleia2> hah <iheartubuntu> this station is for nhaines... http://yp.shoutcast.com/sbin/tunein-station.pls?id=1280187 <iheartubuntu> "Melodien aus den Bergen" <iheartubuntu> :D <kdub> internet <nhaines> iheartubuntu: congrats! Your banner is definitely the cleanest. :) <kdub> whats a banner for? <iheartubuntu> actually, i need to clean up the narwhal. its a bit ragged. i did it this morn early. first time doing all inkscape and i had just imported a jpg. need to trace it and clean it up <iheartubuntu> Countdown Banner... 28 days until Ubuntu 11.04, 27 days, 26 days, etc <iheartubuntu> finally getting a chance to work with unity here <pleia2> kdub: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/NattyCountdownBanner <iheartubuntu> so far i like it <iheartubuntu> couple things im not a fan of <iheartubuntu> like the menu options being in the top panel <iheartubuntu> switching workspaces is an extra step <kdub> sure are a lot of banners... * crashsystems <3 global menus <iheartubuntu> but unity sure is much improved since SCaLE9x #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-04-05 <iheartubuntu> im going to have to really get used to the new all apps menu. i like my old menus where i click apps > internet and thats what i have installed. i know its basically the same, jsut have to relearn the way i see the menu <crashsystems> I definitely agree with the statement that menus are a big usability fail for most people. <nhaines> I don't know why I read doctormo's blog. It always makes me angry. :( <crashsystems> lol <nhaines> If he trained others to use Ubuntu and they have no idea what the Ubuntu icon means and can't figure out that the icon with a down arrow opens a menu, then he *failed*. <nhaines> Whether they like the new menu layout is a separate issue, but if they don't like desktop changes every 6 months and he didn't stick them on 10.04 LTS, then he failed twice. <crashsystems1> Anyone have problems with their keyboard not working in 11.04? <aaditya> it told me to press F1 to continue <pleia2> aaditya: I hear you're our linux picnic leader this year :) <aaditya> yes pleia2, we'll see how it goes :) <pleia2> I really enjoyed it last year, looking forward to it again <aaditya> That's nice. I missed the one last year, so I guess I'll have a lot of surprises to deal with. :P <pleia2> hehe <crashsystems1> Update manager crashed leaving stuff broken, and then apport cannot report it because my system is not up to date <pleia2> :\ <aaditya> crashsystems1: would `apt-get install` help? <aaditya> crashsystems1: sudo apt-get install <crashsystems1> I'm fixing it, but there is still the issue of not being able to report a bug <aaditya> report a bug for it? ;) <crashsystems1> For manger crashing <aaditya> hmm. <crashsystems1> Hah, problem solved <aaditya> that was rather quick. <crashsystems> well, all I had to do was get an external USB so I could switch to tty1, run apt-get to fix some broken packages, then apt-get again to finish the update, then reboot <aaditya> cool! <crashsystems> a few broken packages, a keyboard that does not type and a gnome session that does not load are not going to keep me from watching Dr. Who. <pleia2> hehe * pleia2 waits impatiently for new season <crashsystems> indeed <iheartubuntu> OMGUbuntu new 3D project will cost about $50 and have a $10-$15 monthly fee for playing. I dont know about a monthly fee. In this economy? * iheartubuntu has switched back to 10.10. dont know if i can used to natty <iheartubuntu> wow, no more sipit <iheartubuntu> shipit <pleia2> it was reduced significantly these past couple cycles <pleia2> I'm not surprised realy <iheartubuntu> does anyone have any secret tricks for helping back pain? <pleia2> basics of bug triaging session starting now in #ubuntu-classroom if anyone is interested * kdub realizes my root hdd has been going 24/7 since 2005 <nhaines_> iheartubuntu: ibuprofen! #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-04-06 <iheartubuntu> thanx <iheartubuntu> i will have to pick some up <iheartubuntu> barely making it today <ryaxnb> hello <ryaxnb> using linux is so fun <ryaxnb> using linux is california is funner :) <sn9> especially ubuntu <MarkDude> Well even on a spaceship using Linux should be fun <sn9> especially ubuntu <MarkDude> Dont forget Puppy Linux- it barks when you start it up <akk> Anywhere you need to use a computer. <MarkDude> That is fun, IMO <MarkDude> Ruff ruff. <kevin9286049> weeeeeee * MarkDude is wondering if the person from Hawaii ever came back - my machine died- so I have no log of WHERE I was supposed to send them some SWAG <sn9> facepalm <kevin9286049> a Hawaiian? i talked to a Hawaiian at SCaLE wearing a superman shirt <kevin9286049> btw MarkDude how are you? <kevin9286049> i asked him if he was Hawaiian and he said "yeah". then i said "i like your t-shirt" and he said "I *feel* like Superman" and i said "coooool." <akk> MarkDude: So is Fedora really naming their release Beefy Miracle? Tell me it's a late april fool's joke. <sn9> i think it's still being decided <MarkDude> grantbow, I cant make it tomorrow, <MarkDude> akk, no it is very likely the name <akk> ick <MarkDude> voting is happening now <akk> And there are people actually voting for it? * MarkDude likes that it REMOVES the #1 thing i hear Fedora folks complain about Ubuntu <MarkDude> the names <MarkDude> the whole 2 of the same letter <MarkDude> this election removes any superiority Fedora may have felt :) <akk> heh <MarkDude> Umm, have you seen my profile pic on facebook? * MarkDude has a Beefy Miracle shirt * akk wades through dozens of "Joe Smith answered 'What's your favorite pickle' with 'Kosher dill'" type entries to find Mark's <akk> So the beefy miracle is a hot dog? Aren't those usually largely pork? <akk> I guess this must be an all-beef one. <MarkDude> Well, Its more than a beef thing <MarkDude> A vegetarian is partially behind the start, mizmo <akk> This must be some cultural reference that I'm missing because I'm an old fart. :) <MarkDude> http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/fifthpillar/hackergotchis/ <akk> (but googling on beefy miracle gets a fedora page as its first hit, so it's not much of a cultural phenom ...) <pleia2> akk: me too, but I can't use age as an excuse :) <MarkDude> Well I made a tofu miracle <MarkDude> it was an animated gif at first <MarkDude> the story behind it was as a generic filler for unbranded Fedora CDs <crashsystems> I may never complain about Mark Shuttleworth's release names again. <pleia2> crashsystems: hehe <MarkDude> crashsystems, you hopefully see some of the beauty nehind the name <akk> Yeah, Ubuntu's are bad but this is far worse. <MarkDude> So the mustard was animated going up the hotdog <crashsystems> I'm seriously considering buying the Canon 7D. That or the 60D. I can't make up my mind. <MarkDude> hence the saying on the back of my shirt "The mustard indicates progress" * akk gets called inside to finish watching Fargo <pleia2> crashsystems: nice, my boyfriend is looking at the similarly speced nokias <pleia2> nokias? <crashsystems> Nikon <pleia2> nikons! <pleia2> yes :) <crashsystems> I won't ask him for advice then :D <pleia2> I'm more of a canon girl myself <crashsystems> do you have any opinion on 60d vs 7d? <pleia2> no, it's been a couple years since I've seriously looked <MarkDude> Here are the pics form the Global Jam, as well as the Beefy Miracle shirt https://picasaweb.google.com/tuxwingsgroup/UbuntuGlobalJamSaxbysWC#5592349700686778802 <MarkDude> As well as Jono wearing the Natty Narwhal shirt <MarkDude> And Dangerous G also <pleia2> added link to the wiki page <MarkDude> Sorry about that, I posted to FB then got busy with stuff <kdub> hola channel <nhaines> Good morning, jono. <jono> hey nhaines <crashsystems> I wonder if some people think that framesets make sites more secure <kdub> oh sure, when i say hello.... :D <kdub> crashsystems: security through obscurity <crashsystems> more like security through insanity <akk> I think they just like the framed design (based on people I know who stubbornly cling to frame designs). <iheartubuntu> i was put on the backup list for UDS! <MarkDude> akk I just saw your Twitter message- hella funny <akk> The war of the worlds one? <MarkDude> The Fedora name thing <iheartubuntu> are they putting in those dang digital meters? <akk> They already did that, iheartubuntu :( <iheartubuntu> looks like a ton of people up in the bay area are protesting and getting those meters reversed or at least put on hold until more data comes out about them <iheartubuntu> http://stopsmartmeters.org/ <kevin9286049> hey everybody <akk> Yeah -- they've been fighting for a while, and a court case said tough nuts, but a different court case seems to have just reversed that. <iheartubuntu> hi kevin8675309 whats up <akk> I'm not worried about the radiation thing (which was what the latest court case was about) but I'm bothered by reports of wrong meter readings. <iheartubuntu> i know our meter has read higher ever since it was replaced. not by much... couple dollars here, couple there. but we are home even less! <kevin9286049> where do i start iheartubuntu ? i guess with the new blueray player my girlfriend got. it has USB ports :) <iheartubuntu> nice <akk> I could get behind the smartmeters if there was an easy way for me to read it myself and monitor it. <iheartubuntu> http://www.skype.com/intl/en-us/features/allfeatures/skype-access/ <iheartubuntu> skype now has internet access on public networks (like airports, etc) <iheartubuntu> so u dont need to pay to use the airports wifi, u end up paying skype <iheartubuntu> (and probably the airport somehow thru skype) <iheartubuntu> kev u have any stretches i can do to fix my back <kevin9286049> what's up with you iheartubuntu ? <iheartubuntu> down since sunday <iheartubuntu> my back is jacked up <kevin9286049> you could try out a few iheartubuntu. but you'd best take it easy and work your way up to a stronger back <kevin9286049> what do you think is the problem iheartubuntu ? <akk> Yoga is supposedly the best long-term solution for back problems (speaking as someone who keeps meaning to try yoga and never gets around to it). * kevin9286049 stands on his head until you go see cal <kevin9286049> i do "yoga" every day <iheartubuntu> mowing the grass 3x <kevin9286049> just gotta' find movements and poses you enjoy, stick to it daily, and go from there <iheartubuntu> any good stretches to help the back now? <kevin9286049> you mowed the grass and got back pain iheartubuntu ? <kevin9286049> that is puzzling <iheartubuntu> yah :) it was so tall i had to keep mowing and mowing <kevin9286049> i'm not sure, i could recommend a ton, but there is no silver bullet <kevin9286049> and you'd have to use good judgement when executing them (like, if it hurts bad, stop) <kevin9286049> downward dog, bridge, headstand... <kevin9286049> leg lifts may help <kevin9286049> cobra <iheartubuntu> im thinking if i just keep moving, it will get better <kevin9286049> the standing forward bend also comes to mind <kevin9286049> i'd do the standing forward bend, see how that feels <iheartubuntu> wait are these kama sutra or yoga :) <iheartubuntu> (not like i can do either) <kevin9286049> don't get me started on kama sutra <kevin9286049> another one that might help are those "swimming" exercises. lay on your stomach, arch back, hands up, and kick feet <kevin9286049> i'd also recommend some leg lifts, 3 sets <iheartubuntu> ive done this cat pose <iheartubuntu> do u knw o what im talking about <akk> I do stomach crunches (when I remember and feel up to it) and it seems to help keep away back problems. <kevin9286049> oh yeah, that might <iheartubuntu> you get down on all fours and then arch your back <kevin9286049> i prefer leg lifts, but they are probably quite similar <iheartubuntu> i wonder if acupuncture would help <kevin9286049> yeah, i do that pose sometimes <kevin9286049> also "guru pranam" <kevin9286049> like "child's pose" <kevin9286049> i would be looking for prevention iheartubuntu <kevin9286049> only way that will happen is if you find a exercise routine and stick to it <kevin9286049> 15 min to 30 min a day makes a difference <kevin9286049> but the big mystery to me is, why did you mow your lawn 3x? <kevin9286049> once wasn't enough? <iheartubuntu> no <iheartubuntu> it was so tall <iheartubuntu> i just havent had time <kevin9286049> ohhhhhh <iheartubuntu> so i cut it tall <iheartubuntu> then medium <iheartubuntu> then short <kevin9286049> back and front? <iheartubuntu> and i got a huge backyard <iheartubuntu> i know, stupid <kevin9286049> if i had a place i would do the landscaping mullet style <kevin9286049> serious in the front <kevin9286049> party in the back <iheartubuntu> thats pretty much how i was doing it <kevin9286049> what happened? <kevin9286049> i don't have a yard <kevin9286049> even stupider * kevin9286049 smiles <iheartubuntu> i think pulling the mower cord a bazillion times did me in <kevin9286049> interesting, an electric mower <iheartubuntu> no <iheartubuntu> regular <kevin9286049> ohhhh <kevin9286049> to start it up <iheartubuntu> yah <iheartubuntu> i used to do yoga too <iheartubuntu> 20 pounds ago <iheartubuntu> :| <iheartubuntu> there was a great website... some gals did a video feed while doing yoga up in montana or something <kevin9286049> i used to eat hamburgers 20 lbs ago <iheartubuntu> they started charging money so i stopped <kevin9286049> i bought a book <kevin9286049> i gave it to my brother <kevin9286049> now i do all kinds of weird stuff that isn't really "yoga" per se <kevin9286049> yoga can be quite boring <kevin9286049> painful too <akk> electric mowers are great, no cord pulling or pollution <akk> it's sad that they're so hard to find <akk> Ours broke and we looked for a replacement, gave up and found a way to fix the old one (better anyway, I know). <nhaines> Not that puzzling. Pushing can strain the lower back. <nhaines> Oh, I'm off in backscroll land. :( <iheartubuntu> maybe thats what did it then <iheartubuntu> i ended up duct tapping my mower handle so i would not have to keep starting it up :) <iheartubuntu> taping <nhaines> A very good stretch is to lay on your back and draw your knees into your chest. <iheartubuntu> and duct tape them <iheartubuntu> i will try anything at this point <iheartubuntu> thanks <iheartubuntu> thanks kevin for tips <nhaines> Other than that, rest is good. Sleeping flat on your back is best for your johncrosby@example.net. Sleeping on your stomach is worst. <kevin9286049> eh, thank me if they work. hope you feel better <nhaines> And if you must sleep on your side, put a pillow between your knees. <iheartubuntu> kev.. i found the site i was talking about. http://www.yogatoday.com/ <iheartubuntu> but they have some free videos posted often on their blog.. http://blog.yogatoday.com/ <kevin9286049> iheartubuntu: http://images.google.com may be useful to look up images of poses <kevin9286049> nhaines, how are you? <nhaines> kevin9286049: feeling under the weather today. Slept in an hour and woke up with a lot of phlegm. <nhaines> I'm doing better since then but I am a bit cold. <kevin9286049> nhaines: yeah, there's something going around. my throat and nasal passages have been inflamed <kevin9286049> not too much mucous yet, hopefully this is the worst of it <nhaines> Yeah, It's been all this week. Not a ton of mucous but it's really viscous. <kevin9286049> i noticed the air is still pretty chilly, even when the sun is out <kevin9286049> i might consider wearing a handkerchief over my nose and mouth if 1. i had one and 2. it didn't make me look like a bandit <nhaines> kevin9286049: might not want to ride the trains. :) <kevin9286049> i hear ya <nhaines> Grr, I think this beta CD I burned is bad and I just hosed my laptop. <iheartubuntu> thats no fun <nhaines> I'll give it one more try, then I'll have a coworker burn me a new CD. At least I didn't have any important files. <nhaines> Hmm, well, looks like that install worked... maybe asking to download and install updates broek it the first time. <iheartubuntu> kevin9286049 - this is like a wakeup call for me to get back to the gym :) <kevin9286049> iheartubuntu: the gym is your backyard, don't waste your $ or time on a gym <kevin9286049> unless you are meeting friends <kevin9286049> my $0.000000000 <akk> Whatever works for you is the best exercise plans. I dislike gyms but they work for lots of people. <iheartubuntu> i agree. i used to do a bunch of stuff! just got lazy <pleia2> I certainly don't feel like I'm wasting my money on my membership * kevin9286049 smiles <iheartubuntu> well, i bought membership to my local gym last year.. i still have a few motnhs on it <iheartubuntu> i dropped 20# to go to europe, then uhhh... i guess im still on vacation <iheartubuntu> my area is perfect for walking in the cool mornings... im near the mountains, etc, but my wife likes the gym. so pretty much whatever works <iheartubuntu> the gym i like becuase u get into a groove <kevin9286049> i like the privacy of home. you can't do crazy stuff at the gym <kevin9286049> well, i guess you *could* <kevin9286049> but it isn't advised <kevin9286049> it's just not very...free <kevin9286049> maybe it's just the gyms i've been to <iheartubuntu> the one near me is pretty big... swimming pool, saunas, basketball, etc... like a ymca or something <kevin9286049> the beach! <kevin9286049> saunas and basketball...neat <kevin9286049> dart tag at the gym! <kevin9286049> laser tag at SCaLE was a pretty good work out <iheartubuntu> how was that? <iheartubuntu> was there enough room to do it? <kevin9286049> yeah <kevin9286049> it was, i dunno, laser tag. you have to let yourself be like a kid to enjoy it <akk> Wish I could have done that -- such a fun idea for a conf. <kevin9286049> i felt kind of silly after the 1st round <kevin9286049> but i was generally silly the entire time i was there...soooo <kevin9286049> iheartubuntu: actually, all this exercise talk makes me want to go to the beach. maybe we could have an ubuntu event somewhere <kevin9286049> like malibu or something <kevin9286049> :P <akk> A geeknic. <kevin9286049> sure <kevin9286049> "Geeknics, because Geeks don't pic." <kevin9286049> that made no sense * kevin9286049 goes back to perl, ashamed <kdub> san diego <akk> http://geeknic.org/ <kevin9286049> i'm not really familiar with san diego beaches. furthest i've been is tressles <kevin9286049> or laguna beach, i went diving there once <kevin9286049> but yeah, i doubt i'll go diving ever again <kevin9286049> well, just looked at a map. 1. it's spelled trestles. 2. laguna beach is more north it seems <kevin9286049> so back to perl. random number generator. and the array is by line. i may have to hand code the array. * MarkDude had a volunteer typing up the list of folks in SoCal that wanted to have a geeknic, they decided typing was tooo hard <MarkDude> So I need to pick up the list and do it myself <kevin9286049> it wasn't me, was it? <kevin9286049> ha <kdub> laguna's way north <kdub> i think DarkwingDuck was talking about a SD geeknic with our local lug <kevin9286049> MarkDude: seriously, if you need help PM <kevin9286049> that sounds cool kdub <kevin9286049> rats, not help...a hand <kevin9286049> ug, i'm going to mess with this bot some more <kevin9286049> fail at english, fail at perl <kevin9286049> it's a fail fest! * kevin9286049 smiles <MarkDude> Well someone stepped up asa volunteer, and it was too much for them to do. I respectfully thanked them for trying. <kevin9286049> did they forget? or they literally said typing was too hard? <kevin9286049> MarkDude: ^ <MarkDude> kevin9286049, my job is to match someone to what best fits them when they volunteer <MarkDude> If there is any fail, it lies with me * MarkDude guesses it was the responsibility part, but, that is sorta moot. Maybe they will step up later, maybe not <kevin9286049> i won't speculate further on your situation MarkDude. but goodluck with your job <MarkDude> kevin9286049, no problem. A key insight to all of this might be that a few volunteers are looking for employment <MarkDude> The stress is most likely anything that is not directly finding work <akk> Always a good thing to keep in mind in times like these. * MarkDude as a general rule would not give volunteers a bad time, its not like they are getting a check <kevin9286049> oh, absolutely. searching for a job is a job in and of itself <kevin9286049> i still haven't gotten around to updating my resume today <kevin9286049> i think it isn't explicit enough <MarkDude> We are able to give them free coffee or other such perks, and soon hopefully be able to offset travel expenses. <kevin9286049> there is an ant crawling on me * kevin9286049 smiles #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-04-07 <aaditya> kevin9286049: what color? <kevin9286049> aaditya: black. <kevin9286049> good question aaditya, not sure what i would do with a red one <aaditya> I'd use pepper spray on it and then watch it squirm. <aaditya> ...before I start squirming myself. <kevin9286049> yeah, i wouldn't do that <iheartubuntu1> i cant believe nhaines got out of DMV so quick! nice job <akk> Last time I had to go to DMV, what worked best: check the waiting times at all the local DMVs and rush to the one with the shortest waiting time. <akk> It's really helpful having that info online. <iheartubuntu1> i told them to go to another DMV too <akk> Appointments at the DMV often don't seem to save any time. <akk> The appt line is shorter but sometimes they also call the numbers less often. <akk> But they use that horrid system of random letters where it's impossible to estimate how much time is left. :( <pleia2> california's dmv is pretty horrible all around (at least the location in SF) <akk> In SF you're not supposed to do car stuff anyway. :) <nhaines> akk: haha, that's what I did! They released an Android app just a couple days ago. <nhaines> The plan was to survey all the non-appointment times for all local DMVs and then rush to the northernmost one. But the jokes on me, I went south 10 miles. :( <pleia2> akk: even though I don't drive much, I needed a license <pleia2> states get cranky if I keep my PA license! <nhaines> pleia2: state ID card> <akk> I was joking, pleia2, honest! <pleia2> hehe <akk> And she'd need to go to the DMV even for an ID card. <pleia2> new jersey DMV is pretty awful too <pleia2> both would be better if they hired nice people (or didn't ruin people by making their jobs horrible?) <nhaines> akk: just to keep her PA driver's license, I mean. :) <nhaines> Everyone wass actually super friendly at the DMV today. <akk> That helps! <akk> Though I think friendliness and short lines tend to go together. <akk> The super-crowded DMVs and post offices get customers grumpy about having waited so long, so they're rude to the staff, so the staff get grumpy too. <pleia2> yeah <pleia2> they should have a greeter! <akk> ew, I hate greeters <pleia2> hehe <akk> DMV does usually have a greeter, though ... a "start here" person who gives you the appropriate line-waiting number/letter combo. <pleia2> well, instead there was a guy walking around yelling at people for being in the wrong lines and having the wrong forms, and refusing to tell anyone the right line or right form to use <pleia2> ^^ the "start here" guy <nhaines> haha <akk> great! how helpful <pleia2> and I didn't bring a pen, I got yelled at for that too, they don't have pens <akk> How evil of you not to know that! I bet you were deliberately trying to slow down their who operation, pleia2. <pleia2> that's me! <iheartubuntu1> :D <iheartubuntu1> ahhh... DMV. <iheartubuntu1> :) <pleia2> my speakers are unhappy when move the screen on my netbook :( <pleia2> the speaker wires in hinges are probably unwell <iheartubuntu1> sucks! <akk> aw, your netbook isn't that old! <akk> no fair <pleia2> almost 2.5 years, isn't that old in laptop years? :) <akk> Wow, is it? I thought it was under a year. <pleia2> nah, got it for christmas in 2008 <akk> I'm not the person to ask, though, the person who's still using a mobile pentium laptop. :) <pleia2> yeah, my real laptop is a p3 (this is a netbook!) <pleia2> but the p3 is almost done, it can't do wifi anymore <pleia2> no built in wifi, and the pcmcia slots are toast <nhaines> Aww. <akk> d got his p3 laptop's pcmcia slot repaired a while back (but now he has a newer netbook). <akk> My p3 still works, but I don't use it much 'cause I like the wider WXGA screen on the other laptop. <nhaines> Well, so much for nethack. I managed to feed my pony and retame him but depsite the trapdoor getting me to level 3, the return to level 2 for my pony claimed my life. * pleia2 chuckles <pleia2> Flannel: Eureka has gone walkabout again! <pleia2> anyway, finally got around to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/TeamReports/11/March <pleia2> please add to it if I've missed anything :) <pleia2> and figured it was time to archive the 2010 meetings <kevin9286049> i thought this was cute: "squishy circuits" http://091labs.com/2011/04/ted-talk-squishy-circuits/ <iheartubuntu> i like the panel format too pleia2 <pleia2> as a panelist or attendee? * pleia2 gives Eureka a botsnack <iheartubuntu> panelist <iheartubuntu> i did this in 1999 at a reggae conference up in san jose. worked quite well and no one was under any pressure really. very relaxed * iheartubuntu used to have natty dreadlocks (if u could believe) <kevin9286049> hey everybody. iheartubuntu, how's the back doing? <iheartubuntu> a little better today thanks <iheartubuntu> doing simple stretches <kevin9286049> right on <iheartubuntu> hot showers <iheartubuntu> i was going to go to chiro yest, but i thought id wait till monday <iheartubuntu> if its still bad i'll go, but its getting better slowly. <kevin9286049> chiro? <iheartubuntu> chiropractor <kevin9286049> ah <iheartubuntu> i notice when im in shape i never need him :) <iheartubuntu> when im out of shape, i always need him (but never go) <kevin9286049> i don't think i've ever been to one <kevin9286049> never been much of a fan <iheartubuntu> another big quake in japan <sn9> how big? <pleia2> 7.4 <sn9> ouch <akk> quite big :( <sn9> tsunami expected? <akk> I heard they cancelled the tsunami alert, but I'm not sure if that was a reliable source <iheartubuntu> these numbers mean nothing to pleia2 :| <iheartubuntu> the "tsunami" was 1 meter big <iheartubuntu> or 1 meter small <iheartubuntu> thankfully nothing like before <iheartubuntu> i dont think ive ever experienced a 7.4 <iheartubuntu> and dont want to <sn9> how big was the northridge quake in '94? <iheartubuntu> 6.7 <kevin9286049> there was a 7.x in the 80s <kevin9286049> first earthquake i remember <akk> In california? Where? <sn9> kevin9286049: 1989 <iheartubuntu> the montebello one? <kevin9286049> sn9: sounds about right <sn9> loma prieta <akk> No, 1989 was 6.9 (loma prieta) <kevin9286049> oh i think whittier <iheartubuntu> yah whittier <iheartubuntu> i dont know if it was over 7.0 tho <iheartubuntu> whittier was 1987 <iheartubuntu> 6.0 <iheartubuntu> i was on top of that one at the epicenter. that was bad where i was <kevin9286049> hmmm weird <sn9> akk: the initial reports were 6.9, soon revised to 7.1, but that was on the richter, while the MMA scale said 7.0, later revised to 6.9 <kevin9286049> yeah, says 5.9 <iheartubuntu> the ground buckled and the windows on my school flexed in and out like a soapy bubble <kevin9286049> for whittier that is <iheartubuntu> then they broke <akk> sn9: Went the other way here -- initial reports were 7.1, revised down to 6.9 a few days later. <akk> whittier narrows in '87 was only 5.9 <akk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_20th-century_earthquakes <sn9> akk: my memory is not THAT faulty <pleia2> iheartubuntu: I wouldn't say they "mean nothing to me" - I've watched lots of documentaries about earthquakes! <akk> sn9: I was working in SF, got to see the bay bridge out the window ... I remember it pretty clearly. :) <iheartubuntu> well :) in terms of being in a first big shaker <akk> (fortunately that building was on bedrock so we were fine, just lost power and had a long evening listening to someone's battery radio) <iheartubuntu> you know all about them. i hope u never experience one. what i dont like is they just appear, you have no time to plan. <sn9> akk: the snarled traffic on sunset blvd from dead stoplights led people to get out of their cars and yell "6.9!!!" <kevin9286049> thanks for the link akk. i'm starting to think more earthquakes occur in northern california than down here <kevin9286049> what about the earthquake simulator, been in plenty of those <akk> sn9: You could tell at work who the native californians were -- we were leaning against the wall going "7.1." "Naw, just a 6.8." "C'mon, this has got to be at least 7.3." <iheartubuntu> LA is due for one a decent sized one. so northridge was the last one around here? thats been a while then <akk> sn9: and everybody else was going "OMG! We're going to die!!" <sn9> akk: i didn't actually feel it, being in a moving vehicle on 280 coming back from venrock <akk> We were on the fourth floor so we got some decent swaying. (I'm glad I wasn't in a skyscraper!) <akk> It felt like it lasted a really long time -- everybody overestimated the duration afterward. <pleia2> they tell me the ground beneath my building may liquify <akk> pleia2: :( <iheartubuntu> i was at home with some popcorn getting ready for the ballgame <iheartubuntu> are u in a newer building? <pleia2> iheartubuntu: yeah, built in 2004 <iheartubuntu> ohh not bad <akk> LA's weird, hard to predict 'cause the quakes always seem to come on previously un-noticed faults instead of the big ones. <akk> In the bay area it'll almost certainly be the San Andreas or the Hayward. <sn9> pleia2: yes, that part of town has some of the worst soil <akk> (though the Calaveras has been doing a lot of little quakes lately, but it's right next to the Hayward) <pleia2> they /say/ it's "fine" through a 7.0 and even worse than that it won't fall down (but may have unrepairable structural damage) <akk> Not falling down is good, The rest is the building owner's problem. <kevin9286049> /they/ say lots of things <pleia2> unfortunately we own, so we are partially building owners, we'd pretty much be sunk <iheartubuntu> literally and... <pleia2> indeed! <kevin9286049> how many stories is your building pleia2 ? <sn9> it's tall. <pleia2> the HOA actually looked into earthquake insurance, but the deductable was $5 million and it was something like $50/mo extra in dues for each unit <pleia2> kevin9286049: 16 <pleia2> stories <sn9> the CEA made earthquake insurance completely unattainable, whereas it was previously a nobrainer <kevin9286049> well, i guess you'd own like 1/160th of the plot if the building was totally destroyed <kevin9286049> that is still valuable realestate <kevin9286049> not sure how much it would cost to build a new building there though <iheartubuntu> i dont think you own the land in america anymore. just the property on top of it <kevin9286049> i wonder if you saved $200,000 if that would be enough to cover the cost of rebuilding a single unit <sn9> kevin9286049: depends where <sn9> oops <sn9> iheartubuntu: depends where <pleia2> yeah, our deed includes elevation (I joked that if we sink, do we get the unit above us? :D) <kevin9286049> you own a 3d cube in the sky <iheartubuntu> sn9 - there is only one or two states now that allow full ownership. i think NH is one of them. i would have to double check <kevin9286049> i never thought of it that way before <sn9> iheartubuntu: also depends where in each state <sn9> most states have local ordinances that control it to a finer grain <kevin9286049> when i owned a condo, it was pretty much believed that if the condo was destroyed, that a new one would be built <kevin9286049> but i never checked the cc&rs or my deed to really check what land was mine <kevin9286049> well, that's not exactly true <akk> My understanding (which may be wrong) is that the diff between a condo and a house/townhouse is that with a condo you don't own the land underneath, with the others you do. <akk> And surely with farms and things, the whole point is owning the land? So in what way do you not really own it? <akk> I know sometimes mineral and water rights are split out separately. <kevin9286049> it was all parceled out. so i owned this unit, this garage space on the deed <pleia2> the decision of whether to rebuild here would be upon the owners, who would mostly be banks and things once we all declare bankruptcy :\ <iheartubuntu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allodial_title <kevin9286049> well, if your unit is ont he bottom floor then i suppose you own that piece of the land <kevin9286049> if that's true, then it may be in the interest of "banks and things" for your building to collapse O_O <kevin9286049> scary <kevin9286049> i hope there aren't crony capitalists staring at buildings wishing they would collapse <pleia2> no, I don't think they actually want to own a pile of rubble when mortgages are defaulted on <iheartubuntu> with eminent domain there is no such thing as true ownership in america anymore. a few states give you limited allodial titles <kevin9286049> as long as you're paying your mortgage, i suppose not pleia2 <akk> I'm trying to make sense of that wikipedia page but, well, kinda tl;dr if you're just trying to answer "in what way don't I own my backyard"? <kevin9286049> well, you'd have to pay off your mortgage first anyway iheartubuntu <pleia2> kevin9286049: I suspect most people living here aren't wealthy enough to continue paying for a mortgage for a place they can no longer live in (we certainly aren't) <kevin9286049> it kind of makes me wonder exactly who gets shafted when a mortgage is defaulted on <kevin9286049> anyway, i just heard about this game: http://springrts.com/wiki/Ubuntu_install <kevin9286049> i don't really have any projects to work on today <kevin9286049> i better go find some <kevin9286049> oh yeah, i'm following a house representative on twitter <kevin9286049> i couldn't find feinstein or boxer on twitter <iheartubuntu> ive heard of that company before <iheartubuntu> they make the game http://www.spring1944.org/ <iheartubuntu> but i never did get it installed <kevin9286049> i haven't installed it either, i don't expect it to run very well on my hardware <kevin9286049> i wonder if it's multiplayer <kevin9286049> that would be cool <iheartubuntu> 6.5 quake in mexico now <kevin9286049> an rts that runs natively on linux <kevin9286049> rolling earthquakes <kevin9286049> well, i was thinking that i think buildings in SF that are surrounded by other buildings are unlikely to fall down <kevin9286049> the only way that it would is with like dynamite placed in the right spot <iheartubuntu> k, lets not worry pleia2 too much! <kevin9286049> i said *unlikely* <pleia2> I'm not actually worried :) <kevin9286049> not likely <kevin9286049> she's working on her acting, bravo! <kevin9286049> i thought you were worried too <kevin9286049> i wonder if nancy pelosi is
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