#ubuntu-women-project 2010-07-01 <pleia2> all the subpages of ubuntu-women.org are moved to the wiki :) <pleia2> updated the menu, redirects are in place <valorie> pleia2: kudos to you for doing all that work! <valorie> +++ to pleia2 <czajkowski> aloha <AlanBell> hi <czajkowski> hows you <pleia2> thanks valorie :) <akgraner> hey do you of you all know of any major Linux Events happening in March 2011 <akgraner> I pycon is happening <akgraner> but other than pycon - anyone know of anything else? <pleia2> I still think we'll have flying cars in 2011, that's too far in the future for me to think about <pleia2> morning akgraner :) <akgraner> pleia2, good morning - afternoon ?? something :-) * pleia2 sips coffee <akgraner> great interview by the way - almost finished with the edits <pleia2> oh good :) <akgraner> but hard to take a break - (more corn to freeze) <maco> nothing on my calendar <dinda> anyone going to the Grace Hopper in October? Atalanta, I think? <pleia2> can't make it, but wish I could! <maco> http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=h8nhc87h6h195lqj8i4l2jka90%40group.calendar.google.com <maco> akgraner: thanks for the pycon headsup. added it there <dinda> it just looks like an awesome conference <dinda> akgraner: no word yet on next year's TXLF <akgraner> not yet <akgraner> I am working on another event for early next spring just trying to avoid scheduling conflicts <akgraner> also I need to know who is a database guru - MySQL is not the easiest light reading I have encountered <akgraner> I can't find one that does what I want it to so I need to just create my own.. I need some assistance or this is going to make me crazy... <jledbetter_> phpMyAdmin? <daker> akgraner, if you want just to do simple things with Mysql <daker> try http://www.adminer.org/ <daker> jledbetter_, phpmyadmin is complete tool <akgraner> thanks I'll take a look - there is no really good Open Source Event management/planning applications out there - I have been searching for months now - driving me crazy :-) <akgraner> There are some great programs but none I am willing to sell a Kidney for <jledbetter_> I thought there was a promising one. Can't remember it now. <jledbetter_> akgraner: Do you have a list somewhere of what this application would do? <akgraner> jledbetter_, I do right now I manually generate everything - I can email you a list if you would like <akgraner> I need to be able to enter a group and based on the type of group it will give me a todo list and be linked to my contracts, proposals and to my email etc <jledbetter_> akgraner: Sure. I thought I saw a neat open source helper when I was looking up how to do a barcamp. I can't find the bookmark though. <akgraner> right - I want to be able to have something when a group calls me and says - we want to do foo in bar city... then within 48 hours have them a proposal <akgraner> it's an idea based on new markets Delphi system that most hotels use <jledbetter_> Because you already have bar city's contacts like hotels and such and a generic foo list in the db? <akgraner> I worked with the New Market folks migrating hotels over from a manual system to an automated system years ago - but it's not quite what I need <akgraner> jledbetter_, no b/c I can say this is what it will cost you to have me do it - and here is the list of things I will need to do for you <akgraner> however over time the various city's information will get populated <jledbetter_> Ah hm. Yeah, I haven't seen that open source in my search. I saw stuff like "Event. Help with Registration/tracking." <akgraner> nods <akgraner> nothing for the event manager/planner - so I guess this is how people learn stuff- can't find what works so you learn to do it yourself :-) (I think I am really a geek now when my light reading is MySQL) <jledbetter_> Hehe. Yes. :) <akgraner> so once I get this started - if anyone wants to help :-) let me know - I am going to be doing open source event management and planning... using open source tools as well as planning open source events... setting all the "professional business" part of it up is the hardest part <akgraner> planning/managing them is the easy part <AlanBell> would make a good quickly and desktopcouch app <jledbetter_> AlanBell: Funny. I went straight to web app. I'm biased, I know. But you're right, this would be a good Quickly app. <akgraner> AlanBell, do ya think? <dinda> http://guadec.org/index.php/guadec/2010/schedConf/training <dinda> GNOME developer training - schweet! <AlanBell> yeah, it is document data rather than relational data <jledbetter_> Unless one wants to delegate parts and have folks update the status of the part like a wiki. <jledbetter_> I wonder if this could help locos too... <akgraner> AlanBell, once I get the 200th UWN issue in the can - and the new fridge stuff up - then I'd like to start on this application - no rush or anything I mean I've gone this long without it - but I'd be happy to write up the abstract on it and help where ever I can as I learn <akgraner> and when I say I - I am really meaning the whole news team when it come to UWN and Fridge <akgraner> Can I just say - I feel very empowered atm 2 years ago I would have purchased something and just said - I'll make it work for me somehow <akgraner> now I am like nope none of these work - guess I need to learn how to make something that will - How cool is that? <jledbetter_> I was impressed with Quickly and hope it helps empower more people to scratch an itch :) <jledbetter_> akgraner: Very cool :) <akgraner> at SELF the quickly talk/demo rick spencer did - was very popular.. people are loving it <czajkowski> is there anyone here from Camaroon ? #ubuntu-women-project 2010-07-02 <valorie> akgraner: jono might have some good input <valorie> because of http://opensourcebridge.org/ <valorie> just a thought <nigelb> why does my troll alarms ring about now :/ <AlanBell> indeed <czajkowski> aloha <issyl0> Pendulum: I'll get the questions to you within two hours of now. And a photo. :) <issyl0> Pendulum: sorry for the delay :/ <Pendulum> issyl0: no worries <issyl0> Pendulum: PM? <issyl0> Pendulum: please? <Pendulum> issyl0: yep go for it <czajkowski> hypatia: happy belated canada day <IdleOne> As official representative of the Canadas I thank you. <IdleOne> :) <valorie> lol <valorie> oh, Canada.... <valorie> I love the Canadian national anthem <valorie> it's actually singable #ubuntu-women-project 2010-07-03 <nigelb> IdleOne: official representative of Canada? right <valorie> just as you are for India <valorie> :-) <valorie> and me for the USA <nigelb> heh <nigelb> valorie: IdleOne is from quebec, I was about to pull his leg about it :D <valorie> oooo, Quebecois! <elky> nigelb, he did say "the canadas" <valorie> nicely spied, elky * valorie calls up the FBI <valorie> ;-) <IdleOne> elky: you saw that huh <nigelb> elky: heh <nigelb> elky: good one ;) <czajkowski> aloha <nigelb> czajkowski: good morning! Hows your weekend? <czajkowski> in bed watching tv on laptop <czajkowski> mothership found google earth last night and spent hours on it <czajkowski> looking at places she lived years ago and zooming up to the house, <czajkowski> it's a new toy for her <nigelb> heh * nigelb giggles at mothership <czajkowski> nigelb: all being and all knowing! trust me best name <nigelb> czajkowski: heh, agreed about all being and all knowing - all mom's are that way <valorie> we just pretend well <valorie> ;-) <czajkowski> valorie: hah <nigelb> valorie: aha, so that's the secret! <valorie> oh shoot, this is logged <nigelb> heh <valorie> I've lost plausible deniability <valorie> sorry, mothers of the world <czajkowski> valorie: we wont tell <valorie> I've let down the side <valorie> lol <nigelb> valorie: the LOGS will haunt you! <valorie> exactly! <valorie> you sneaky lot already knew it anyway <valorie> I know you've gotten away with unspeakable crimes...... <valorie> lol <czajkowski> :) <valorie> the key bit: we love you anyway <valorie> that's actually the secret <czajkowski> valorie: how many kids do you have? <valorie> 3 birth children <valorie> and Colin, whom I raised from 14 on <valorie> he's 21 now <czajkowski> valorie: wow 4 kids <czajkowski> valorie: any of them converted to ubuntu :) <valorie> my oldest is ...35 <valorie> he's the one who moved me to Mandrake, then Gentoo, and finally Kubuntu <valorie> see, I have earned the linux grandma thing <valorie> because I had my grandson using Qimo last time they were over <valorie> :-) <czajkowski> impressive <czajkowski> gah the mothership staye up till 5am on google earth * valorie hopes not to do the same thing <valorie> niters all <nigelb> night valorie :) <czajkowski> valorie: nn <czajkowski> time for some late breakie * nigelb yawns <nigelb> in retrospect, getting up at 3:30 am wasn't such a great idea <czajkowski> nigelb: why.... were you up that early? <nigelb> czajkowski: well, I got up thirsty, then I went to check what happened to the match, and then started readinhg a book, and ended up not going back to bed <czajkowski> ugh hate those nights <nigelb> the only thing that's keping me awake is foosball ever 30 minutes :D <czajkowski> :( <czajkowski> interesting blog post, some of the stuff I'd never evn thought of http://geekfeminism.org/2010/06/20/clothes-and-geek-feminism/ I just get dressed. <czajkowski> which I found when reading http://geekfeminism.org/2010/06/17/can-you-dress-well-and-be-taken-seriously-as-a-woman-in-technology/ <czajkowski> but what is a staqndard geek uniform? <czajkowski> *standard <Pendulum> czajkowski: I've always assumed it was geeky-tshirt or polo shirt & jeans or kahkis <czajkowski> ah gotcha <czajkowski> I don't equate that to geeky though, but I guess it could be <Pendulum> well I'm specifying geeky t-shirts there <Pendulum> (or geeky polo shirts) <czajkowski> *nods* <czajkowski> the 2nd post I liked to raised some interesting points on how people dress at work <czajkowski> Pendulum: you've seen me and see how I dress, it's not geeky, but I do love my jeans and hoddys in the winter, compared to my sister I dress like a slob. so I suspect it'll depend on where you work <czajkowski> Do you think that dressing up in geek society is a privilege? <czajkowski> is a questions raised. <czajkowski> I don't think it is. I think it's how ever a person feels comfortable <Pendulum> I think dressing up + being taken seriously can be a privileged situation, but it's also pretty complicated <Pendulum> and isn't always a geek thing <Pendulum> But, I also don't think you dress particularly dressy <Pendulum> I do think it's a lot about context <Pendulum> if you can dress corporate and still be taken seriously in a context where everyone around you is in jeans and a t-shirt, then in any circle you've got privlege <Pendulum> I do think there can be pressure to blend in with the guys, though, at geek events <Pendulum> which is why I tend to (consciously) go the other way (not to mention the fact that I don't actually know where my jeans are) <Pendulum> and those articles only minorly touch on the ablism of clothing expectations <Pendulum> *disablism <czajkowski> aye perhaps just places I've worked it really didnt matter if I wore a dress, jeans or suit. everyone wore what they liked tbh <czajkowski> but then again small company <czajkowski> approx 28 inhouse stafff <czajkowski> hse as long as it was smart it was ok <Pendulum> oh, I totally stood out where I worked because I dressed "too nice" <czajkowski> I did on ocassion when I'd gone weeks in hoodies and jeans to come in the next day in jeans heels and a going out top for post woerk drink <czajkowski> but then agai my place was a tad weird. #ubuntu-women-project 2010-07-04 <AlanBell> curious stuff on planet.ubuntu-women.org at the moment <elky> Someone might have forgotten she's syndicated <elky> Haven't seen her around for quite a while. <AlanBell> I am not complaining, just an observation of mild surprise <czajkowski> morning <elky> AlanBell, you're not the only one to observe with surprise. <czajkowski> I wish the feed Yolynne Medina had actually had content on the planet rather than linking to her page <czajkowski> Romana Branden has been busy blogging alright, last week the same about 5 posts in one go <czajkowski> Meeting orla who took part in the UW Play day competition http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/07/03/june-ubuntu-hour-and-meeting-orla/ #ubuntu-women-project 2010-07-05 <czajkowski> Aloha <AlanBell> http://www.unwomen.org/ launched last Friday with a $500,000,000 budget <czajkowski> AlanBell: thank you <czajkowski> pleia2: when you're about can you give me a shout please <czajkowski> not urgent just need some info <czajkowski> thanks <czajkowski> I noticed on http://www.ubuntu-women.org/ <czajkowski> Providing opportunities by sponsoring women who wish to give technical presentations, or talk about their Ubuntu experience at International conferences and seminars. <czajkowski> how is that going or what is done in that area?? <maco> czajkowski: atm, means there are those of us willing to review slides and give pointers, and that we're happy to have announcements about speaking opportunities posted to the list <czajkowski> maco: ah ok, tis kinda misleading so <czajkowski> saying sponsorship so <czajkowski> maco: aloha :) <maco> yeah i think sponsorship was a someday goal that never panned out <czajkowski> *nods* <czajkowski> maybe it should be removed so <czajkowski> just a thought mind <AlanBell> or implemented <pleia2> czajkowski: the text on that page is going to be completely rewritten as part of our site redevelopment project because not all of it is accurate, much of it has to be updated <pleia2> I've made note of that one, thanks <czajkowski> pleia2: cheers <pleia2> I just haven't gotten to that point on the blueprint :) <czajkowski> no bother <czajkowski> I was looking for you <pleia2> I am on vacation <pleia2> las vegas \o/ <czajkowski> ohhh <czajkowski> N~ICE <pleia2> yeah, it's great :) <akgraner> pleia2, shhhh remember what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas :-P <pleia2> haha * czajkowski is planning on invading Cuba in January <MarkDude> pleia2, have you done the James Bond request of Martini, shaken not stirred at the baccarat table yet? * AlanBell is having an Ubuntini next week #ubuntu-women-project 2010-07-06 <czajkowski> maco: ping <maco> czajkowski: pong <czajkowski> maco: the dc loco we re approved you guys cycle didn't we? <maco> yes <czajkowski> maco: by any chance do you have a date? <czajkowski> trying to find logs <maco> april 20 <czajkowski> maco: thanks <czajkowski> no hypatia #ubuntu-women-project 2010-07-07 <czajkowski> morning folks <czajkowski> akgraner: :) <czajkowski> 0:50 < airurando> posted a couple of pics of a bleary eyed Orla unpacking and using the fab Zareason Terra A20 <czajkowski> 10:51 < airurando> http://pix.ie/odonohuem/1779704 <czajkowski> hypatia: yer back :) <issyl0> Pendulum: ping? <Pendulum> issyl0: pong <czajkowski> Pendulum: ello <hypatia> hola <hypatia> had a power outage :) <czajkowski> hypatia: wonder where you'd gotten to <czajkowski> hypatia: any recommendations for toronto recruiters? <hypatia> IT or otherwise? <czajkowski> IT <hypatia> hmm <hypatia> i know of a couple, but am in a dr's office waiting room <hypatia> will pm later <czajkowski> hypatia: thanks <czajkowski> not urgent just curious and seeing if it'd be possible at this stage <hypatia> k <hypatia> for you or a friend? <czajkowski> me <AlanBell> 9 <AlanBell> oops <AlanBell> czajkowski: ooooh <czajkowski> AlanBell: they have jobs over there, we dont over here. Just looking at all of the options <AlanBell> yes, don't overlook anything <czajkowski> AlanBell: have to keep the folks happy, they're not exactly impressed wiht me on a laptop all day doing Ubuntu work <AlanBell> I understand <AlanBell> mum still wants me to get a proper job <AlanBell> I give her a list of my directorships and job titles and committees and boards and stuff that I sit on, but it still isn't a proper job <czajkowski> AlanBell: same, but unless it's earning it doesnt count in her book <czajkowski> and I'm not in the mood to argue with the mothership <AlanBell> your presentation is looking great <czajkowski> AlanBell: thanks <czajkowski> need to tweak it a bit more this evening <AlanBell> I would cut slide 19 down to just a few bullet points, that text is too small <czajkowski> figure out the last two slides <czajkowski> as I've to go for dinner with the family for grandfathers bday <czajkowski> slide 19 ... <czajkowski> let me go see <AlanBell> rehearse it a few times, relax, talk slowly, take pauses and smile :-) <czajkowski> ahhh yes slide 19 need to make that into points <czajkowski> on to do list <pleia2> I am still recovering from vacation (hehe) so I won't be able to make it to the meeting tomorrow morning at 12:00 UTC, do we have someone who can chair? <dinda> pleia2: sounds like you had a great time <pleia2> dinda: I did! thank you for your recommendations :) <dinda> pleia2: always happy to help with Vegas recs :) <dinda> ok, i'm timezone impaired so 12:00 UTC is that like a few hours from now or tomorrow? <pleia2> it's 5AM pacific <maco> dinda: 0 UTC is a few hours from now <hypatia> i can chair it <pleia2> yay <pleia2> valorie: probably more appropriate to talk over here ;) it's 69 cents per copy for color, so yeah I'll probably just go b&w <pleia2> the pdf on Resources is optimized for non-us paper, so I'm also modifying the svg for US + B&W printing <valorie> if we have pretty paper, it will still look good * pleia2 nods <valorie> and if we have bus. cards, we won't need a lot -- just a few attention-grabbers <pleia2> yeah, if people want more info <pleia2> I'll see how much pretty paper costs, I might just do 100 <valorie> CLS might use more, although I'm not gonna be handing stuff out there <valorie> I don't think there are tables there <valorie> it's an unconf. <pleia2> yeah <valorie> might do a talk <pleia2> yay :D <valorie> if I can get my head together <valorie> and esp. if Linda is still gonna go <valorie> (althara) <pleia2> cool <czajkowski> aloha <AlanBell> hi, which country are you in now? <dinda> _old <dinda> ack, wrong kb sorry <czajkowski> maco: what does MOTU stand for ? <AlanBell> Masters of the Universe <AlanBell> which is a He Man reference <AlanBell> and She-Ra too of course <czajkowski> hmm <czajkowski> how to explain that in a slide <czajkowski> bah <AlanBell> put up a picture of she-ra and have done with it <czajkowski> hehe <Pendulum> or just put MOTU = Masters of the Universe and explain what a MOTU does <czajkowski> MOTU - Developers in Ubuntu ;) <AlanBell> well the point is that the repos are main, universe, multiverse <AlanBell> and the MOTUs can muck about in universe <AlanBell> as I understand it <AlanBell> although "muck about" may be a bit too flipant a term for the serious work they do :-) <czajkowski> lol <czajkowski> true <czajkowski> gah I'm talking in front of CLC and I keep forgetting what it stands for <czajkowski> this is not going to go well <czajkowski> and I've to leave Castleconnell in 2 hrs <AlanBell> He-Man fought skeletor, who did She-Ra fight? <AlanBell> City Learning Centre <AlanBell> She was only allowed to destroy robotic enemies which were her primary foes. <valorie> AlanBell knows a great deal about this <valorie> ;-) <AlanBell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She-Ra <AlanBell> there is nothing worth knowing that wikipedia does not know <valorie> I remember all the boys in the summer watching the cartoon beginning <valorie> all holding up their imaginary swords <valorie> I HAVE THE POWER!!!!!!!!!! <valorie> hilarious <valorie> but why didn't little girls have the same? <valorie> that makes me sad <AlanBell> I actually don't blame the parents <AlanBell> if anyone thinks I want, or am encouraging, my son to pick up anything long, heavy and dangerous and run about the house pretending it is a light sabre they are wrong. <valorie> they were imaginary swords <valorie> although there are some light-weight plastic toy ones on the market <valorie> I would have loved to learn how to sword-fight, though <AlanBell> yeah, I don't exactly encourage them either. Air guitars yes, air swords, not so much <valorie> it's very acrobatic * valorie was a tomboy <valorie> I wanted to shoot, and fish, and climb trees <valorie> and did <valorie> but also could cook my fish, bake a pie <valorie> etc. <valorie> I think those should be human skills <valorie> it's just -- those boys had a *moment* <valorie> together <valorie> there is nothing like that for girls <AlanBell> bet there is <AlanBell> probably singing into hairbrushes as microphones or something like that though <valorie> that isn't *powerful* though <valorie> there are plenty of bonding experiences, certainly #ubuntu-women-project 2010-07-08 <czajkowski> lucidfox ping * hypatia yawns <hypatia> hey folks, i think it's meeting time <hypatia> assuming i got the timezones right? <rww> @now UTC <Pendulum> hypatia: should be right <elky> It is? <hypatia> ok, well, should be quick, as there's not much on the agenda <hypatia> #startmeeting <Mootbot-UK> Meeting started at 12:08. The chair is hypatia. <Mootbot-UK> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [PROGRESS REPORT], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] <hypatia> hey everyone, this is my first chaired meeting, so excuse the likely failures :) <hypatia> [TOPIC] - OPEN ITEMS - Maverick Blueprint progress <Mootbot-UK> New Topic: - OPEN ITEMS - Maverick Blueprint progress <hypatia> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/community-m-ubuntu-women-project-m-goals <hypatia> and http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Roadmap-M <hypatia> are listed as the work items there - does anyone have updates? * hypatia for one is still learning how to use blueprints ^_^ <Pendulum> I"m trying to work on the mentorship stuff, but I've got other things and had some health stuff crop up <hypatia> awesome, Pendulum <hypatia> i mean about working on it, not the health stuff :/ <hypatia> looks like the logo stuff is about wrapped too <hypatia> when I figure out how to edit the bp i'll update it to reflect that <hypatia> [ACTION] hypatia will update the blueprint to reflect the completed logo work <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received: hypatia will update the blueprint to reflect the completed logo work <hypatia> any other blueprint stuff? * hypatia pokes elky <Pendulum> hypatia: if you want, post meeting I can show you how to update that :) <elky> Oh! Hai! <hypatia> Pendulum: sounds great <hypatia> ok moving on to the next item... <hypatia> [TOPIC] - OPEN ITEMS - Election results <Mootbot-UK> New Topic: - OPEN ITEMS - Election results <hypatia> (i'm not sure where the OPEN ITEMS bit comes from, but it was in the template so i just copied it over) <hypatia> Thanks to everyone who ran, voted, and otherwise participated in the first UW leadership elections <hypatia> after a close runoff vote, pleia2, elky and myself ended up the three co-leaders <elky> hypatia, it's typically General Business i think <hypatia> elky: gotcha <elky> Yaaaaay! * hypatia gives especial thanks to Pendulum :) <elky> Thanks to everyone who voted and nominated and all that stuff * hypatia high-fives all around <elky> Especially considering we had to lock down things in the middle of it all. <hypatia> we should probably set a date for the next election, or is it too soon? <hypatia> i mean we can likely just set fixed dates for the future <elky> hypatia, +$term_length from announcement date I'd guess <hypatia> yah <hypatia> which is just 6 months <hypatia> why don't i propose fixed dates on the mailing list? <elky> Is it? <elky> I thought amber's reign was 6mths, but the triad was 12. I could be wrong of course. <hypatia> i thought it was based around the release cycle <hypatia> i may also be wrong <hypatia> elky: can i task you with looking into this? :) <elky> I don't want to be having an election every 6 months. We lose a month each time. <elky> Sure. <hypatia> woot <hypatia> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/LeadershipElectionProcess says one-year term <Mootbot-UK> LINK received: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/LeadershipElectionProcess says one-year term <elky> I thought it did :) <hypatia> [ACTION] elky will propose fixed yearly election dates to the u-w mailing list <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received: elky will propose fixed yearly election dates to the u-w mailing list <elky> someone remind me in a week if I haven't. adjusting to new job, I'm all over the place. <hypatia> next item! thanks again everyone :D <hypatia> elky: will do <hypatia> [TOPIC] - OPEN ITEMS - Quick Website update <Mootbot-UK> New Topic: - OPEN ITEMS - Quick Website update <hypatia> anyone have stuff for that? <elky> Update is there is no update from elky :-/ <hypatia> ok, that makes it quick :) <elky> See previous comment for petty first world excuse. <hypatia> [TOPIC] - New items - <Mootbot-UK> New Topic: - New items - <hypatia> anyone? <hypatia> [TOPIC] - Announcements - <Mootbot-UK> New Topic: - Announcements - <hypatia> i've got nothing here either :) <elky> pleia2, around? <hypatia> she's sleepin' <elky> Slacker. <elky> I have nothing either. <hypatia> ok well that's it then :) <hypatia> [TOPIC] - Next Meeting Date - Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 2200 UTC <Mootbot-UK> New Topic: - Next Meeting Date - Thursday, July 22, 2010 @ 2200 UTC <hypatia> BE THERE OR BE AN EQUILATERAL RECTANGLE <hypatia> um i mean <hypatia> ^_^ <hypatia> #endmeeting <Mootbot-UK> Meeting finished at 12:23. <hypatia> we are paragons of efficiency in here, yo. <elky> I think we need to table an agenda for next time for refreshing the meeting times, though. <hypatia> think so? <elky> We've got a whole lot of new people since our meeting times were set. <hypatia> should we do a doodle poll? <elky> Yup. <hypatia> hokay, i'll do that <elky> Though, table it for discussion at next meeting first maybe <hypatia> ok, cool * hypatia edits next meeting's wikipage <elky> no need to hurry it, and the other TZ may want to aye or nay <hypatia> o shi <hypatia> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/July2010/Agenda <-- but what do we do when there are TWO july meetings <elky> /agenda2? <hypatia> good idea! * hypatia copies the page over <hypatia> that said, i'll put it on there, but i'm inclined to think that all times are equally bad <Pendulum> oh, can I just put out there that when you sent the doodle poll out that you may also want to say "if you can't use the doodle poll, please let us know when you can meet" as far as I know, it's not an accessible site for screen readers <hypatia> Pendulum: thanks for pointing that out - do you know of an accessible alternative? <Pendulum> nope. I can ask around, but a lot of the polling sites aren't very good. (I actually manually do scheduling for Accessibility Team meetings) <hypatia> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/July2010/Agenda2 <hypatia> Pendulum: seems like an opportunity for a nice Free Software alternative :) <elky> Surely one of these sites must have an API or something that someone can hack up a quick app for. <hypatia> i'd probably do it in appengine <hypatia> ...but i'm on an appengine kick right now <elky> You could probably do something similar with an anonymous edit google poll thingie too. <elky> Though dunno how accessible google apps are. <Pendulum> I know AlanBell found a wordpress plug in that works for surveys that at least for the person taking the survey doesn't seem to be too bad, however, we didn't test with radio buttons as we just needed text boxes <hypatia> ok i've got to skidaddle <hypatia> many errands to run before i head to montreal :) <hypatia> cya around folks! <czajkowski> aloha] <pleia2> since the mootbot logs include the agenda, we'd just been reusing the Agenda page and rotating out what no longer needs to be there (if you look at Meetings/July2010/Agenda you'll see it's been renamed several times as we rotate the month) <Tm_T> hi <pleia2> and just added pretty version of logs & agenda here: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/20100708 <pleia2> regarding the year term and schedule, I believe the dates that are currently on LeadershipElectionProcess are meant to be static <pleia2> valorie: I'll be sending up 150 or so of these with MarkDude: http://princessleia.com/uw/ubuntu-women-flier-printed.jpg <pleia2> and another 200 or so printed on just regular orange paper <valorie> pleia2: those are wonderful!!!!!!! <pleia2> valorie: I'm glad you like :) picked up the paper last night <valorie> maybe we can post some of the pretty ones around in various meeting rooms or something <valorie> and hand out the orange ones for those who are interested <valorie> althara, be sure you look at her links <valorie> :-) <pleia2> hehe, my boyfriend goes "what are you printing over there?!" <pleia2> (the printer isn't particularly fast for a laser printer) <valorie> oooo, you are printing them yourself? <valorie> that is a lot of ink! <pleia2> apparently this ink cartridge is supposed to be good for printing 10,000 pages <pleia2> I print about 12 per year ;) <valorie> ok <valorie> that ain't bad <valorie> hubby has a photo grade printer <valorie> and he's always buying expensive ink <valorie> but his photo collages are totally worth it <pleia2> we considered a photo printer, but it turns out that for normal use it's cheaper for us to just head down to the pharmacy to get prints at a kiosk <valorie> his are labors of love, and the recipients all love them #ubuntu-women-project 2010-07-09 <MichelleQ> valorie: have him check out White House Custom Color. www.whcc.com - they do *amazing* printwork. <valorie> I'll pass that along <valorie> folks, if you didn't do security updates last night <MichelleQ> They do canvas gallery wraps - did a collage for my best friend of her kids, the size of her sofa. <valorie> do them now <valorie> http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/41465/solution <valorie> http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Ubuntu-closes-root-hole-1034618.html <valorie> there are exploits already <maco> valorie: thanks for the heads up * darknemesis is on the front news of bbc news <darknemesis> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/8802969.stm <darknemesis> http://news.bbc.co.uk/ <AlanBell> 15 minutes of fame! <darknemesis> AlanBell, yeah kinda * darknemesis is shamed in a way <czajkowski> c <pleia2> czajkowski: you misspelled "geeknic" in your blog post :) <darknemesis> AlanBell, When butterflies are in love, do they feel humans in their stomach??? <AlanBell> no idea. Ask a lepidopterologist. #ubuntu-women-project 2010-07-10 <nigelb> maco: poke? * maco runs <nigelb> gah <maco> oh you were grabbing me for the person pleia2 just smacked down? <nigelb> yeah * pleia2 eyeroll <nigelb> I figured lyz was working on the etherpad <pleia2> I r multitasking <nigelb> heh <nigelb> and maco is distracted :p * nigelb is not sure about the conversation in the other room <nigelb> but then I think all webchat users are potentially spammer <pleia2> nah, she's cool <pleia2> has been around for a few weeks :) <nigelb> ah, ok :) <czajkowski> pleia2: I did where? <pleia2> czajkowski: it's a "geeknic" not a "geeknick" <AlanBell> "pleia2" is a geeknick <pleia2> indeed #ubuntu-women-project 2010-07-12 <airurando> good evening from Ireland. <airurando> this is Orla O'Donohues dad just logging in. <airurando> Orla is present in the channel as fairy_fawn. <airurando> she would just like to say thanks again for running the world play day competition now that she is fully set up on the lovely Zareason Terra A20 :) <akgraner> fairy_fawn, hope you are enjoying your computer! Thanks for participating.. <fairy_fawn> hello everyone and hi akgraner. <akgraner> fairy_fawn, are you still excited? (I am for you) <fairy_fawn> i absolutely love my netbook:) <akgraner> that's great! what did your friends have to say? Are they wishing they were using Ubuntu yet? <fairy_fawn> akgraner: yes! Definately! <maco> hi fairy_fawn <fairy_fawn> maco: hi <fairy_fawn> my friends were excited but they don't fully understand about ubuntu yet. <AlanBell> hi fairy_fawn, one of my little girls is called Orla too <akgraner> fairy_fawn, that's ok you can just show them and they'll learn one click at a time <AlanBell> she is in bed now or I would get her to chat to you <fairy_fawn> thank you all very very much <fairy_fawn> hi AlanBell <fairy_fawn> maybe talk to your Orla next time <AlanBell> yes, that would be good <fairy_fawn> akgraner: ok will do! <akgraner> :-) <airurando> fairy_fawn: is catching on to this IRC much faster than me! <fairy_fawn> akgraner me to <fairy_fawn> yup dad <airurando> akgraner: the me to was a smile back at you <akgraner> I was thinking the same thing it took me a while to catch on as well <AlanBell> o/ <AlanBell> ^^ me waving <airurando> AlanBell: maybe your Orla and my Orla will meet up in #ubuntu-youth in a few years also. <fairy_fawn> sorry but i want to say again i love my netbook <AlanBell> yup <fairy_fawn> this is real long <fairy_fawn> but i love it <airurando> this is fairy_fawns first go at IRC and her typing skills have yet to develop <fairy_fawn> yey <airurando> by real long fairy fawn means the scroll back. <AlanBell> I think fairy_fawn is pretty good at typing <fairy_fawn> i am laughing my head of <airurando> AlanBell: yes and getting into it in a big way <airurando> lol <fairy_fawn> tanks AlanBell <airurando> We better head off now fairy_fawn. We have to go for a walk with the rest of the family and the dog. <airurando> say your goodbyes to everyone. <fairy_fawn> ok dad <fairy_fawn> good bye <AlanBell> o/ <airurando> Thanks again everyone and bye for now. <czajkowski> awww orla is gone <czajkowski> maco: ping <maco> pong <czajkowski> maco: mind if I pm re DC loco ? <maco> im not in the mood right now <czajkowski> no bother, can you poke me at some stage trying to figure stuff out on LD <czajkowski> thanks * elky reads the scrollback and "awwwwww"s #ubuntu-women-project 2010-07-13 * nigelb sigh <pleia2> they've come around before, were odd then too #ubuntu-women-project 2010-07-14 <pleia2> oh, I spoke with some folks on the beginners team the other day and they're also trying to get a list of ubuntu teams which do mentoring <pleia2> I'll keep the team updated, but it would be nice to see a page on the main ubuntu wiki pop up that links to all mentoring pages that both BT and UW can use <valorie> that would be ace! <pleia2> now for the right channel! <pleia2> maco2: emailed cathy about the local t-shirt shop, she really liked the old pretty viney design, just sent her the new one <pleia2> I might head down to the shirt shop to check out quality of tshirts in a couple weeks (they are only open while I'm at work, so I'll have to take a half day and that takes some planning) <maco> hehe okie doo <maco> and yes i remember she liked it * MarkDude suggests better sizing also, Rikki had some input on shirts also, she did not like the V neck <pleia2> I wasn't a huge fan of the vneck "friends" shirt either <pleia2> I'll get some very specific sizing info from the shop too <pleia2> the california shirts are a nightmare in that regard, when a woman asks for one I meet up with her and she just takes the one that looks the best, the actual sizes are useless <maco> yeah i dont like v's <valorie> maco, Countdown at MSNBC is doing a free medical clinic in DC <valorie> they are looking for volunteers <maco> to work there? <maco> i dont know anything about medical... <maco> valorie: youre confusing me <valorie> sec, getting the link <valorie> http://www.freeclinics.us/ <valorie> I thought you might know someone local who was interested <valorie> in getting free care, or helping provide it <valorie> oops, sorry for the off-topic <maco> didnt mean to do in -project, im guessing? <maco> wonder if they need free software... <maco> (see now its almost on topic) <valorie> I was thinking the same thing <valorie> lol <valorie> oops, sec <rww> pleia2: yeah, the mens were pretty oddly sized, too <czajkowski> how do <akgraner> who all will be at OSCON? I don't get in til Monday afternoon... I know pleia2 and valorie are going right? <pleia2> akgraner: I'm sending up some UW fliers with MarkDude, but I won't be there <akgraner> ahh ok <akgraner> I'll be there but I have to work - so I can't staff the Ubuntu Booth for any length of time - but I am bringing some stuff and I thought I would see if we couldn't get books like we did last year to give a way - but won't know about that til I meet with the publisher on Monday <akgraner> Last year Mako did a photoshoot for the Official ubuntu book in the ubuntu booth #ubuntu-women-project 2010-07-15 <TenPhil> Hello <nhandler> Hey TenPhil <TenPhil> I got a little question <nhandler> What is your question TenPhil ? <TenPhil> I'm going to try to introduce pc-users at my uni to Ubuntu <TenPhil> are there any previous reports, questionnaires and the like that I can use to check what experiences people have as new users? <TenPhil> my campus has about 10k students, 60% of which are female. <nhandler> TenPhil: Not that I know of. Is there a LUG or LoCo nearby? <TenPhil> No, there is no LUG or LoCo. It just hasn't been viable. <nhandler> TenPhil: What were you planning to do with the results of the survey ? <TenPhil> The question is if it is useful for anyone, I could just use it for myself to give the best guidance, but I could also write it up more formally and distribute it to anyone interested. <TenPhil> nhandler: I might lead to me filing some papercuts and highlighting usability issues, but it could be that if one is made it can be used by others. <TenPhil> that's why I'm checking if anyone else has done it, but it's not publicised scottashley@example.org. <nhandler> TenPhil: I am sure that some people would find having questions like that useful (for LoCo events and other similar things). <TenPhil> nhandler: Ok, seems like I've got to make a blog about this then and make some drafts <nhandler> TenPhil: I'm sure some people here (and probably in #ubuntu-locoteams) would be up for helping you with this <TenPhil> nhandler: yeah, I have the blog and I've started on a first post, and I'll blog about the progress. I'll probably put up docs on Scribd, so that drafts can be published and commented upon. does that seem ok? <valorie> hey akgraner, I'd forgotten you were coming too <valorie> how cool is that? <valorie> I'm driving down Fri. night, and will be at CLS too <valorie> staying in Portland Sat. - Wed. <valorie> still need to find somewhere to sleep Wed night and Thurs night <valorie> I can commute from Vancouver, but I'd rather not, since traffic is deadly <akgraner> valorie, I'll be there Monday - no sitter coverage for the weekend so I am missing CLS this time <TenPhil> czajkowski: Hey! thanx for the email, I think I got a plan now. <AlanBell> TenPhil: where are you based? <TenPhil> AlanBell: Trondheim, Norway <AlanBell> !no <ubot4> Hvis du vil diskutere pÃ¥ Norsk, vennligst gÃ¥ til #ubuntu-no. Takk! <AlanBell> that would be your loco channel, they might be able to help <TenPhil> AlanBell: Yeah I'm on their channel already. <AlanBell> ok, good <AlanBell> are you a lecturer? <TenPhil> no, student. <czajkowski> TenPhil: no problem if you need a hand just ask <czajkowski> there are loads of us in here :) <TenPhil> czajkowski & AlanBell: talked to nhandler here yd, and found out that I should make a standardised questionnaire and guideline for new users, to find out how they experience using ubuntu <AlanBell> TenPhil: is there a computer club or society already at your uni? <TenPhil> and test it on new users I get here. <AlanBell> oh, there is that introduce 100 users project thing, who was driving that one? <TenPhil> There is no LUG or LoCo, there are some but they have paid membership... <TenPhil> AlanBell: that would be really interesting! <AlanBell> https://launchpad.net/~100ubuntuusers <TenPhil> I have a degree in social sciences, so I can apply that knowledge and experience. <TenPhil> AlanBell: thanks! <czajkowski> TenPhil: do talk to the design team or matthew revell so they've both conducted usability tests <TenPhil> czajkowski: I'll send them an email. <czajkowski> mrevell on irc /launchpad <czajkowski> ivanka on irc for design <pleia2> hypatia: when you have a moment, I can show you how to update the blueprint (yay logo finished!) <pleia2> Pendulum: can we chat about mentoring when you have some time? <Pendulum> pleia2: I'm really booked through the end of this week. Maybe beginning of next week? <pleia2> Pendulum: well, mostly I was wondering if you wanted to swap roles, I do rewrite and you do review, but it can wait until next week <pleia2> mostly because you seem busy, and I have some time this month <czajkowski> gah cannot find the we're not gonna take it video <czajkowski> boooo <pleia2> czajkowski: http://justanothertriager.wordpress.com/2010/05/11/uds-m-day-1-overview/ <pleia2> ^^ nigelb links it here <czajkowski> whooo <nigelb> happy it helps :) <pleia2> :) <czajkowski> oh it does <czajkowski> poor Pendulum got to listen to it every morning <pleia2> lol <nigelb> heh <nigelb> czajkowski: you're evil! <nigelb> Now I want to listen to it too :D <Dolasilla> cool! It's the first time I see it! :) <czajkowski> it;s very adictive <Dolasilla> indeed.. <Pendulum> czajkowski: do you now have it stuck on repeat? <Dolasilla> loop.... <Pendulum> nigelb: every morning of UDS we blared it in our room. Might have woken up the guys next door (they've never confirmed whether it did or didn't) <Pendulum> pleia2: that would be find with me <Pendulum> (sorry, had gone to get some lunch) <pleia2> Pendulum: ok great, I'll work on that and be in touch when I need review :) <Pendulum> great, thanks :) <nigelb> Pendulum: heh, who were the guys beside you? <Pendulum> nigelb: jono and Stuart Langridge <nigelb> hahahaha <AlanBell> http://lwn.net/Articles/396174 <pleia2> I tweeted about it, considered fwding to the list <pleia2> http://www.fsf.org/news/recommendations-from-the-womens-caucus is the pretty version <pleia2> I helped with some of the docs <AlanBell> lwn is indeed not a pretty website <pleia2> I suppose fsf arguably isn't either, but it is the source <AlanBell> anyhow, in terms of substance, is there anything actionable that we should be doing in Ubuntu <AlanBell> looking at the points about conferences reminds me <AlanBell> we did an event in London last week, there were two women speakers and about 10% registered names that I recognised as female names <AlanBell> both speakers pulled out (for perfectly understandable personal reasons) and there were way less than 10% in the audience <pleia2> we do have a section of our wiki for people to list conferences they're attending, but it kinda died <AlanBell> there was about a 50% dropout rate in the registrations overall, is there any reason or other experience of high dropout rates from registration to attending of women? <pleia2> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Events/2010CommunityEvents <pleia2> I can't think of any <czajkowski> AlanBell: that happens at any conference tbh <czajkowski> has nout to do with women tb <AlanBell> czajkowski: the overall dropout rate is fine, I understand that <czajkowski> out of 4 talks on open source at the leeds event, 2 were women <czajkowski> ;) <AlanBell> but at a guess 50% of the chaps didn't turn up and maybe 75% of the women didn't <czajkowski> that's good <pleia2> I don't know of any statistics listing women as more likely to dropout, in the cases I know of women not being able to attend their reasons had nothing to do with gender, just general personal or work considerations <AlanBell> yeah, the speakers had nothing to do with gender, just random and unfortunate <czajkowski> actually the only 2 female speakers at CLC Leeds were on open source <MarkDude> pleia2, the UW handout has gotten a favorable reaction <pleia2> MarkDude: great! * MarkDude showed some it to some folks on the train <MarkDude> & gave out some stickers also, plus 2 Lucid CDs :D <pleia2> nice :) <pleia2> I realized I broke the style guidelines with that flier, oops <pleia2> should have had more padding around the logo * pleia2 loses 10 internet design points <AlanBell> canonical had a great big ubuntu popup which broke the style guidelines <pleia2> ok, well it's good to know that none of us can get it right :) <AlanBell> it was only going to be spotted by the hardcore followers of the design toolkit <AlanBell> they had the word "ubuntu" running vertically from bottom to top and had rotated the circle of friends too <pleia2> tsk <czajkowski> ohhh http://conferences.ted.com/TEDWomen/ <czajkowski> maco: it's coming soon to your area <pleia2> wow, neat <czajkowski> yup <czajkowski> came across on the womoz mailing list <czajkowski> Interesting: <czajkowski> http://conferences.ted.com/TEDWomen/ <czajkowski> Some may feel this is a way of separating the women and thus doing "she's pretty good at ______ for a girl", but on the other hand it's a well known brand name of innovation and high quality speaking throwing some of its clout and bright starry lights on what will most likely be a stellar cast. <czajkowski> Discuss? <MichelleQ> czajkowski: yeah, I saw it this morning. I'm hoping to apply for a fellowship <czajkowski> MichelleQ: what does a fellowship mean? <MichelleQ> attendee <MichelleQ> paid for <czajkowski> is that like sponsorship? <czajkowski> ahhh <MichelleQ> yeah <czajkowski> using english not americanisms :p <MichelleQ> sorry... <MichelleQ> it's what TED called it <czajkowski> grin * MichelleQ blames someone else. <czajkowski> ^5 * belkinsa blames the Brits. <AlanBell> oi! <MichelleQ> AlanBell: thought that said OIL, which has thank god stopped flowing in the gulf. <czajkowski> oh did the plug work ? <MichelleQ> yes, for the moment. <MichelleQ> whether or not it *stays* is a different story <AlanBell> MichelleQ: blaming that on us too now, whatever next! <belkinsa> That's good to hear, and yeah, that would be another story (and another mess)/ <MichelleQ> AlanBell: nope, not blaming the British... just the British who have anything to do with petroleum. <MichelleQ> :-D <belkinsa> I was just playing off what we were talking before this topic. <MichelleQ> I'm teasing AlanBell relentlessly. No worries. <belkinsa> I know, :). <AlanBell> yeah, I deserve it <belkinsa> xD <czajkowski> lordie remind me not to make a joke again :) <MichelleQ> rofl <Pendulum> that reminds me that I need to go look up recent TED talks as the brother of a mate of mine from high school actually got to give one recently, I think <MichelleQ> nice! <Pendulum> yeah <MichelleQ> I'm still waiting for the CFP to open for TEDxTampa. Think Mike is going to submit. <Pendulum> my absolute favourite TED talk I've seen is Aimee Mullins. Not directly tech related, but an awesome talk :) <MichelleQ> There've been some amazing talks... my favorites tend to be scottashley@example.org. <Pendulum> she talked about design of prostheses (she's a double amputee and a paralympian and a model) <MichelleQ> very cool. The founder of Wikipedia spoke at tedtampa, that was quite interesting! <hypatia> Pendulum: you should watch the recent malaria one <hypatia> my sweetie is in it :) <belkinsa> Is this stuff on YouTube? <hypatia> no, they have their own flashplayer, or you can download it in h264 <Pendulum> ah, I was wrong, my mate's brother is a current TED Global Fellow, no <Pendulum> *not a speaker <Pendulum> hypatia: which one is it? <belkinsa> Sorry for that, I'm a total newbie at this (IRC) <hypatia> belkinsa: no worries :) <belkinsa> Oh, thanks, Hypatia. <hypatia> Pendulum: http://www.ted.com/talks/nathan_myhrvold_could_this_laser_zap_malaria.html <Pendulum> belkinsa: you can find all the videos we're talking about on www.ted.com :) <hypatia> he's at the end in the red labcoat * MichelleQ still waits for my skeeter-zapper... <belkinsa> Thank you also, Pendulum. <Pendulum> MichelleQ: what do you think the laser is? <MichelleQ> I know what it is! I've volunteered my backyard as a test facility. #ubuntu-women-project 2010-07-16 <maco> czajkowski, elky: ping! there's an RMB meeting right now and we cant make quorum. either of you around? * pleia2 will have to nag the board summore next time around <czajkowski> maco: sorry was in sleepy mode <belkinsa> Hello all. About last night's chat about TED, thank you for pointing it out to me. I found a good speech to listen to and I will listen to more. #ubuntu-women-project 2010-07-17 <akgraner> I can't believe I am going to ask this - but how do you start an application from the command line? <akgraner> I can't get the software center to open from the applications menu <akgraner> :-( <daker> akgraner, which kind of apps ? <daker> shell apps? python apps ? <daker> ah sorry software center <daker> is it : software-center <akgraner> it doesn't work :-( <daker> any message ? <akgraner> yeah - I get a traceback <akgraner> and then if you do start - in front of it - you get unknown job <akgraner> I'll file a bug and see what happens weird <daker> oki <akgraner> I installed updates today <akgraner> and well... <daker> akgraner, bug number ? <akgraner> daker, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/606529 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 606529 in software-center (Ubuntu) "software center will not start from applications menu. When you click on it it looks like it is going to open but then it just shuts the window in the bottom panel and won't open. (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] <daker> akgraner, try to add the traceback to the description <daker> see ya :) <akgraner> :-) done <daker> now its good <daker> the traceback will help the developers <akgraner> oh ok - cool <daker> see ya :) <daker> night all <akgraner> lasters - thanks! <akgraner> laters even <rww> hrm, you're not the first person I've seen with that error today. <rww> akgraner: if you're around and on the computer that was getting
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