#ubuntu-artwork 2006-04-01 <lapo> hi <nomed> hi all <nomed> is there anyone that would be happy to play with xubuntu artwork ? <nomed> it's not that much work .. <nomed> we need just a color scheme and maybe fix the logo with that .. <lapo> nomed: color scheme? <nomed> lapo, colors that should be used on xubuntu artwork <nomed> en ex <lapo> ure, but what you have in mind? <lapo> sure <lapo> what about using tango color scheme? <nomed> lapo, that's what i would <nomed> i need to have a not just a color palatte .. <nomed> but even "color scheme" <nomed> i mean .. <nomed> having a list of "official" colors <nomed> it'll be easier to fix the gtk theme <lapo> isn't it what the color palette is for? <nomed> gtkrc file for gtk-engine <lapo> on the wiki I read you are targeting grays, right? <nomed> lapo, for ex on a gtkrc file i may need to use more then 3 blue <nomed> lapo, that's an idea <nomed> mainly for gtkrc theme <nomed> but the logo should use blue as main color <lapo> I suck at writing gtkrcs, but I can help with icons <nomed> lapo, i can fix the ubuntu gtkrc <lapo> if you target blue as main color the you could just use tango icons <nomed> if i had a list of colors HEX i can use <nomed> and that fit well togheter <nomed> that look nice <nomed> lapo, i can't use tango icons <nomed> as they'll not be in main <nomed> i can use ubuntu icons <lapo> nomed: the tango palette colors fits well toghether <nomed> lapo, yep <nomed> that's true <lapo> uhm....I think ubuntu icons inherits tango, are you shure it will not be in main? <nomed> lapo yes <lapo> bah, that sucks <nomed> lapo, the problem of tango color palette <nomed> is that i may need more then 3 blue <nomed> and more then 3 gray ... <nomed> and i'll not need orange or green .. <lapo> there are I think 5 grays <nomed> lapo, i guess xubuntu icons theme will inherit ubuntu icons theme <nomed> that's my idea <lapo> ubuntu icon theme is all orange <nomed> but with different colors where needed <nomed> so xubuntu icons theme will have mainly folders <lapo> nomed: if you do not want orange I fear you'll need a lot of icons, not only the folders <lapo> nomed: there aren't any "source" files for dapper human icons so recoloring them is a lot of work <lapo> can't you just push tango in main? <nomed> i asked to canonical people .. and they were not really happy <nomed> i'll have a meeting in two days ... <lapo> can I ask you why? <nomed> lapo, the answer was .. <nomed> ubuntu will use its own icon theme <lapo> If you can put tango in main, I'll do my best to do all the icons you may need <lapo> btw I'm not going to do icons which are not following tango guidelines <nomed> lapo, yep .. <nomed> i really would have tango in main .. <nomed> but i guess it depends on dholbach <nomed> lapo, you could for ex play with this :) <nomed> http://www.dsslive.org/xubuntu/tmp/artworks/html/logos.html <lapo> your logo is problematic as a icon <nomed> i know the mouse is too small <nomed> the problem here is to make it different as much as possible from kubuntu one <lapo> blue is the color of kubuntu, why don't you taret something else? <lapo> target even <nomed> lapo, we do not have artists working on that <nomed> that was an old proposed logo <lapo> you may have one at least :-) <nomed> andreasen proposed himself .. but it looks like he's busy in this period <nomed> lapo, we really need something ready soon <nomed> at least for the doc writers <lapo> if tango goes in I'll find the time :-) <nomed> ehehe <nomed> lapo, we do not need just icons ... would you fix even the logo ? <lapo> sure <nomed> http://www.dsslive.org/xubuntu/tmp/artworks/svg/ <nomed> once the logo has been done <nomed> i would make a list of the colors used within the ubuntu gtkrc <nomed> and find xubuntu suitable ones ... <nomed> ubuntu #jhjhjh ---> xubuntu ---> #lklklk <lapo> tango in, I can do it, tango out, sorry nope <lapo> that's my condition, it's not that I don't want to do it, but I'm doing tango stuff all the time so I want to continue in the tango way <lapo> and I cannot bear the mishmash that can came out with tango and non tango stuff <nomed> lapo, i understand <nomed> my idea was to use tango icons as xubuntu icons theme <nomed> i'm even patching xfce stuff to use tango icon-utils-naming stuff <lapo> if you're not happy with something in tango we can try to fix it upstream or privide a xubuntu theme with the different icons <nomed> so if not for dapper it'll be for dapper +1 .. <nomed> but that's definitively my direction <lapo> nomed: if you want a similar look to the human stuff, I can for example recolor the hardware icons in orango tango to fit xubuntu palette <andreasn> hey there <lapo> ciao andreasn <nomed> lapo, i try to figure out how we can use tango icons <nomed> and if it'll be possible to have them in main <lapo> cool <nomed> xubuntu will need an icon theme <nomed> and tango icons are more complete that Rodent <lapo> yep, tango is a easy way to have one quickly * andreasn feels a bit embarrased, as he has promised nomed some new xfce-icons for quite a while now <nomed> that is the xfce default <nomed> andreasn, at the moment that's not the probelm :) <lapo> would be cool to have tango upstream in xfce <nomed> lapo, at the moment all xfce devel are using tango <lapo> if you'll go tango, as I said I'll help you with everything you may need, I hope andreasn, time permitting, to do the same <andreasn> is there a xubuntu-live cd anywhere? I've been a bit eager to try xfce out for quite a while <nomed> andreasn, not yet <nomed> waitin for xfce pkges in main <nomed> there will be soon <nomed> really soon <andreasn> perhaps I can just install it in dapper <lapo> cool <nomed> xfce has a really cool file manager <lapo> andreasn: xfce is getting quite nice, the new fm is ubercool <nomed> and it's really fast mainly <lapo> nomed: cazzo sei italiano e io son qui che mi sforzo di parlare inglese :-) <nomed> ehehe <nomed> gia' <nomed> lapo, suposing we'll have tango and we can inherit it ... <nomed> will you fix missing icons eventually ? <lapo> sure <nomed> could u confirm this ? <lapo> yes, giurin giuretta :-) <nomed> perfect .. that's an important point <nomed> ehehe <lapo> I cannot promise I can fix all the missing, I can say I'll do my best <nomed> lapo, yep <lapo> (depends a lot on the number of missing icons) <nomed> but there are really few :) <lapo> do you know which are the missing ones? <nomed> most of them will need just a link to existing one <lapo> I mean, do you know at the moment which are the missing ones? <nomed> http://www.dsslive.org/mediawiki/index.php/Roadmap-0.3-1:XfceTheme <lapo> since you're at patching, would be better to patch the applications <nomed> lapo, i'm not an xfce upstreamer <nomed> it'll need time to patch xfce directly <nomed> it'll be meybe possible for dapper +1 <nomed> maybe <lapo> you could patch icon-naming-utils tho <lapo> I think dobey could probably accept patches for xfce <nomed> lapo, yep <nomed> that's my idea <lapo> cool <nomed> i asked already to dobey <nomed> and he was fine with that <lapo> the missing icons are not that much, I can easily do those one, you'll have to explain me the meaning of most of them tho :-) <nomed> sure <nomed> lapo, it looks like to inherit tango in xubuntu theme will depend on the missing or broken icons <nomed> i mean if we can cover all the rodent icons ... there shouldn't be problems on using it <lapo> what that means? <nomed> most of rodent icons are already in tango <nomed> or vice versa <lapo> if the missing one are what you showed me, we can do it <lapo> ones <lapo> what you mean with broken? <andreasn> nomed: I also have a Icon=stock_terminal-colors for you <andreasn> only in scalable yet though <nomed> that exists in tango (the meaning) but that has a different name <nomed> andreasn, i guess it should be a little step to convert all those icons in pngs <nomed> and in different sizes <lapo> no problem with pngs <andreasn> what svg library does xfce use? librsvg? <lapo> perhaps there could be problems with target sizes <lapo> if you don't need anything less then 48x48 we are ok, if you need 32x32 we are pretty fscked up <nomed> lapo, menu uses 24 <lapo> no probs, tango have 22x22 <nomed> that should be the smaller <lapo> tango makefiles alredy produces 24x24 icons adding 1px padding to 22x22 <lapo> thta's not really noticiable <lapo> the sizes tango cover well are 16x16, 22x22, 24x24, 48x48 and up <nomed> lapo, yep <nomed> that's all xfce needs <lapo> so we're cool :-) <andreasn> 24x24 is only via icon-naming-utils, right? <lapo> andreasn: nope, icon naming-utils don't know anything about mangling pngs or converting svgs to png <lapo> andreasn: the makefiles do the magic, easy things btw <andreasn> ok, nice <lapo> nomed: do you want playing tango (nice) or tangoified ubuntu stuff (silly) for hardware? :-) <nomed> lapo, i like more tango ones <lapo> cool <nomed> but as i told it doesn't depend just on me <lapo> ok, let me know what you all decide and I'll do the leg work <nomed> k <lapo> andreasn: I hope you can find the time to help btw :-) <nomed> i hope to know something soon <andreasn> lapo: me too <lapo> nomed: calamandrei at gmail <andreasn> but university studies are calming down a bit no, so that shouldn't be a problem <lapo> nomed: where you came from? <lapo> andreasn: cool <nomed> genova <lapo> we are not that distant, perhaps we can talk about it behind a beer <nomed> where are you from ? <lapo> pescia, near lucca <nomed> lapo, cool .. so that's possible :) <lapo> I'll be in genova one of the next sundays, my gf decided that I wanted to see the acquario :-) <nomed> i'm somtime in PISA <nomed> cool :) <lapo> ugh...ok, that's not your fault <nomed> LOL <lapo> you're not from pisa, RIGHT?! :-) <nomed> no no genoa <lapo> uhm...ok, I was a bit scared for a moment :-) <lapo> ma bada te se devo sparare bischerate su pisa in inglese! :-) <nomed> :D <lapo> ciao #ubuntu-artwork 2006-04-02 <dholbach> heya <lapo> nomed: any new on the xubuntu front? <lapo> I'm thinking about the logo, are you really sure you'll want the one you showed me? <nomed> lapo, not yet .. <nomed> lapo, i can't make decisions .. alone <nomed> let's say we can vote .. <nomed> if you're inspired and you came up with something amzaing and cool .. <nomed> then i'm not really sure i'll want that one .. and probably even all the others xubuntu people :) <nomed> lapo, but the idea is to keep that logo .. and to change just the colors <nomed> to make it "more" different from the kubuntu one <lapo> talking about colors, the blues of the logo are, well lousy <lapo> it needs something vivid <lapo> and someting not blue, since blue is kubuntu <nomed> lapo, yep <lapo> I'd say green <nomed> i totally agree <lapo> green goes weel with tango icons <lapo> and if you *REALLY* want i could do green tango folders <lapo> even if the blue one are ok with green <Tm_T> ugh <Tm_T> now you're awake... <nomed> lapo, if it'll not be too much work it would be nice to show your mocups to the whole xubuntu team <Tm_T> http://www.tm-travolta.net/pics/k-ed-ubuntu/images.html <lapo> I have no mockups <Tm_T> something I played around ;) <nomed> lapo, anyway i guess blue should be used .. <nomed> and i was thinking on adding some gray .. <lapo> grey is boooring <lapo> win95 was grey <nomed> lapo, have u seen graphite theme ? <dholbach> does anybody know if andreasn wanted to show up later today? <lapo> nope, link? <lapo> dholbach: dunno, if ou need orange icons you can try to ask me, I send him all of my stuff tho <dholbach> rocknroll <dholbach> i wanted to tell him, how far I got with Tangerine <dholbach> and wanted him to merge from my tree <lapo> I think he is at least as far as I am with orangotango <nomed> lapo, http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php?content=35444 <dholbach> there were some bugs in two Makefile.am <dholbach> i fixed them and now the package builds <nomed> this is ho i think xubuntu should look like .. <lapo> dholbach: you should really not do the mishmash with tango and git icons <dholbach> lapo: that's not my call <lapo> dholbach: mine? <dholbach> I care about the packaging, the building and everything :) <dholbach> Mark has a lot of influence on the decision <lapo> dholbach: if mark prefer a gnome icon to the tango one I'll redo it in tango style <lapo> please ask before mishmash <dholbach> it will be discussed <dholbach> and I don't think I'll have a loud voice on this <dholbach> http://daniel.holba.ch/ubuntu/ic/ has the latest <lapo> dholbach: it's nice to see how better are the tango styled icons :-) <dholbach> I suggest taking the page as base of discussion on ubuntu-art or somewhere else makes most sense <dholbach> i will merge from Andreas tree hourly and build a package which is integrated into this page <dholbach> and I'll do uploads to the real ubuntu archive every now and then <dholbach> but I'm not deciding and it's not my call anywhere :) <lapo> dholbach: btw that compare page is a bit "unfair" you contront 48x48 to 22x22 icons <dholbach> that's a bug <dholbach> i'm working on it (and some other things) <dholbach> if you click on the icons you get a popup <lapo> dholbach: can you fix it before the discussion? :-) <dholbach> i have other stuff to do as well <dholbach> but i will look into it, promise <lapo> nice guy :-) <lapo> dholbach: a have some more recolored icons on my disk btw <dholbach> lapo: andreas will merge them in <lapo> yeah, just to let you know, that's there's more stuff coming <dholbach> please understand, I work on a lot of other stuff too and I don't want to be the point where people send their pictures :) <dholbach> I'm really happy with your icons <dholbach> they really rock <dholbach> and I'm grateful for your guys' work on it <lapo> tnx, happy you like them <dholbach> :-) <lapo> I'd be happier if mark actually likes them :-) <dholbach> I need to finish another feature for him, then I'll mail him <lapo> dholbach: i spotted out this one: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=141227&highlight=lapo <lapo> tango 80, human 28 :-) #ubuntu-artwork 2006-04-03 <offthehook> um yeah. to the Official Tango Theme peoples: i think that this firefox icon would be great to incorporate into the tango-apps collection. http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=36556 <lapo> hi #ubuntu-artwork 2006-04-04 <Randy> hey <Randy> not a lot of activity in here :( <lapo> hi <nomed> hey lapo <nomed> lapo, let me know when you'll have 5 min <lapo> yo nomed, now I should have 5 min, more or less... <nomed> perfect :) <nomed> lapo, i think we can go with tango in xubuntu <lapo> cool <nomed> but not yet sure if we can use tango icons <nomed> :/ <nomed> i mean <nomed> apt-get install edubuntu-artwork <lapo> uhm? <nomed> those tango-brown are already in main <nomed> we can use them for sure <nomed> if it'll be a problem for pure tango <nomed> it looks absurd i know <lapo> there should be tangerine in main i believe with is based on my orangotango <lapo> not sure tho <nomed> lapo, the dholbach pkge ? <nomed> i do not think it 's in main <nomed> lapo, anyway we'll have at least one tango based icon theme <nomed> from which we can inherit <nomed> and this is very important <lapo> tango based isn't that gartoon? <nomed> lapo, anyway i guess the only condition to have the xubuntu icon theme in main is that it has to be complete <nomed> lapo, edubuntu dapper <nomed> Tango-Brown <lapo> we should use tango it's silly to use that one <nomed> lapo, yes <nomed> and it's what we'll probably do <nomed> but at the moment that's what we have for sure <nomed> when u think u can start workin on xubuntu-icon-theme ? <nomed> what are your plans ? <nomed> i mean do u think to change any colors <nomed> or to use tango icons as they are ? <nomed> (not brown ones) <lapo> dunno, I need to know which colors you'd like to base the xubuntu look on <lapo> where I can find the gtk theme you were talking about <lapo> fsck, nobody listening, let's use italian :-) <nomed> lapo,ok <lapo> dicevamo dov' che trovo sto grafite <nomed> graphite theme su gnome-look o xfce-look <nomed> ne trovi parecchi <nomed> lapo cmq .. <nomed> e' una mia idea .. perche' andreasen(?) <nomed> non so come si scrive <nomed> mi disse il grigio poteva andare bene per xubuntu .. <nomed> visto il target <nomed> in realta' sei totalmente libero su tutto <nomed> a partire dal logo ad arrivare a tutto quello che ti senti o hai il tempo di fare <lapo> bon, vedo di sprippolarti qualcosa nel weekend <nomed> perfetto <nomed> credo per la prossima settimana ci siano le iso <nomed> a quel punto forse ci sara' piu' gente interessata a dare una mano <nomed> http://www.dsslive.org/xubuntu/tmp/artworks/html/logos.html <nomed> qui ci sono alcuni tests che ho fatto <lapo> la pantegana ce la vuoi per forza? :-) <nomed> eheheh <nomed> lapo, per me e' totalmente indifferente <lapo> intanto pensiamo al logo va che la cosa principale, vedro di inviarti qualcosa <nomed> tieni pero' presente che quello che ha identificato xubuntu fino ad ora <nomed> e' il primo logo in alto <nomed> perfetto :) <nomed> lapo, l'ultima cosa poi ho finito <nomed> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperXubuntuLook <-- <nomed> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperXubuntuLogo <-- <lapo> si si avevo visto <nomed> mi sottoscrivo alla pagina <nomed> tu potresti linkare li il tutto .. <lapo> io ti spiaccico tutto qui poi al limite vedi te se linkare <nomed> come preferisci <nomed> cmq sentiti libero di di farlo tu direttamente <nomed> now i should go for a while <nomed> cu <nomed> lapo, xubuntu team is fine with green too .. <nomed> the main color will depend on you i think :) <lapo> hi <nomed> hi lapo <lapo> yo nomed <nomed> :) <nomed> lapo, it looks like this chan is not really active as it was ... <nomed> any reasons ? <nomed> or just less ubuntu-artists ? <lapo> is there an ubuntu-artist? <lapo> I didn't know it even existed <nomed> lapo, nhaa <lapo> there are way too many #ubuntu-* channels tho :-) <nomed> i mean if the number of ubuntu artists :) <nomed> there are really few at the moment .. <lapo> uhm..that sucks <nomed> lapo, i've just seen this browsing the ubuntu-art list <nomed> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=36370 <nomed> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-March/000746.html <-- nice to see Mark is happy with graphite too .. #ubuntu-artwork 2006-04-05 <Tm_T> ugh #ubuntu-artwork 2006-04-07 <bluetux_tbook> hi <dimension128> Is there a webpage, wiki, or anything I can go to, to see what specific artwork is still needed for dapper? <bluetux_tbook> dimension128, i don't know well, but do yo check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/TodoList ? <dimension128> yes found that after a while, but thank you. <andreasn> bluetux_tbook: are you good at icons? <bluetux_tbook> andreasn, a little. <bluetux_tbook> andreasn, i am just amature, making icon is just hobby. <andreasn> there are some icons that could made looking better in dapper <bluetux_tbook> where i find them? <andreasn> well, I only made a little list of my own <andreasn> System info under Applications/System Tools could be improved <bluetux_tbook> I will try <andreasn> and some icons in Add to Panel is not in tango-style yet <bluetux_tbook> oh, tango-style. <andreasn> well, you could make them in some other style, but that would be less usable upstream <bluetux_tbook> I will try to, as i can. <bluetux_tbook> andreasn, do you konw I make some icon theme? <andreasn> how do you mean? <andreasn> here are the tango-guidelines btw, http://tango-project.org/Tango_Icon_Theme_Guidelines <bluetux_tbook> andreasn, i c and my mean I make jini icon theme (http://jini.kldp.net) <bluetux_tbook> oh, that guideline is very detail. <andreasn> making sure stuff get consitent <andreasn> nice icons <bluetux_tbook> thanks <nomed> andreasn, your opinion about this ... ? <nomed> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperXubuntuGtkTheme <nomed> i ask here .. i suppose it's better :) <andreasn> looks great! <andreasn> does tango-aliminium depend on tango-icon-theme, or is all the icons in there already? <nomed> andreasn, all icons in there <andreasn> ok, good <nomed> andreasn, anyway i think that if the xubuntu icons theme will be complete ... <nomed> there shouldn't be problem .. <nomed> i mean it 's possible to include all the icons within the theme pkge <andreasn> yes <nomed> it'll be just a tango like theme <nomed> as for edubuntu .. but i should ask better ... <nomed> i'll test even how it looks graphite+green <nomed> instead of blue ... <andreasn> cool <Firebird8> hello <Firebird8> how would i join this art work team? <bluetux_tbook> Firebird8, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam <andreasn> there is some page in the wiki where you can add your name <andreasn> what stuff are you interested in? <Firebird8> im looking at it <Firebird8> icons splashscreen desktop <Firebird8> how do i run the widget factory <Firebird8> or does that not exist <Firebird8> do i just edit the member list <andreasn> yep <Firebird8> that simple... <Firebird8> and how do i upload work for ppls to see.. <andreasn> put it on some webspace somewhere and post a mail to the ubuntu-art mailing list <andreasn> if you are interested in icons, you could track down application icons not using tango-style yet and redo those <Firebird8> umk * Firebird8 uses blender to do this <andreasn> interesting <Firebird8> oh the cd icon needs the tango theme <Firebird8> interesting? <andreasn> I think jimmac used blender in the process when making some icons <andreasn> I never heard anyone that used blender only when making icons <Firebird8> i render it and post process in gimp <Firebird8> and blender makes it easier .. um for me <andreasn> is it possible to export svg's from blender? <Firebird8> lemme check <Firebird8> or ill export it from gimp <Firebird8> no svg <Firebird8> this is retarted <Firebird8> brb <Firebird8> bak <Firebird8> all my icons went on top of eachother <Firebird8> where are the human tango icons located <andreasn> http://xoomer.virgilio.it/bat/orango-tango/orango-tango-0.0.3.tar.bz2 <Firebird8> no on the system <Firebird8> im running Flight 6 <Firebird8> Dapper <Firebird8> or do i still have to download it <andreasn> I have sent them of to dholbach and I think he was going to make a package of them <andreasn> but I'm not sure he has gotten around to it yet <Firebird8> maybe tango should come in a variety of colors <andreasn> there are lots of color variations zstrickland@example.net <Firebird8> lots of those icoons in the package aren't being used... <Firebird8> i mean the human tango <Firebird8> to come in diff colors <andreasn> why do you think that? * Firebird8 likes black <Firebird8> ah wel <andreasn> human tango was made in order to make it blend in better with the human gtk and metacity-theme <Firebird8> ah ok <andreasn> and it's pretty easy to find and download color modifications on theming-sites <Firebird8> how do i install the package i just downloaded <Firebird8> http://xoomer.virgilio.it/bat/orango-tango/orango-tango-0.0.3.tar.bz2 <Firebird8> ^ <Firebird8> compile? <andreasn> yep <andreasn> ./autogen.sh <andreasn> make <andreasn> make install <Firebird8> do i need su to do the last <andreasn> yes <Firebird8> ok its not gonna compile <Firebird8> it failed to detect something i already have <andreasn> icon-naming-utils? <Firebird8> no <Firebird8> imagemagick <andreasn> do you have the imagemagick-dev package installed? <Firebird8> imagemagick-devE: Package imagemagick-dev has no installation candidate <Firebird8> there is no imagemagick-dev <Firebird8> gonna restart <Firebird8> just updated <Firebird8> wat type of file does the compile make <andreasn> ?? <Firebird8> nvm <Firebird8> it won't compile <andreasn> have you tried libmagick9-dev? <Firebird8> installing.. <Firebird8> thanks <Firebird8> compiled.. <andreasn> cool <Firebird8> how do i use it now <Firebird8> its not in the icon list <andreasn> it's not? <andreasn> hm... <Firebird8> theres human but thats the old one <andreasn> hm, run ./autogen.sh again <andreasn> and then ./configure --prefix=/usr <andreasn> make <andreasn> make install <andreasn> that might do the trick <Firebird8> maybe ill just replace the old images/icons with the new ones <Firebird8> would that work <Firebird8> /usr/share/icons/Human/ <andreasn> not sure, sounds a bit hard <andreasn> compiling it correctly is easier <Firebird8> autogen desn't work <andreasn> theme details > Icons <Firebird8> I did make, ./configure make install <andreasn> no orango tango there? <Firebird8> nope <andreasn> ./configure --prefix=/usr <andreasn> try that instead <Firebird8> nothing <andreasn> strange <Firebird8> ***Error***: some autoconf macros required to build orango-tango-icon-theme <Firebird8> were not found in your aclocal path, or some forbidden <Firebird8> macros were found. Perhaps you need to adjust your <Firebird8> ACLOCAL_FLAGS? <Firebird8> oh shity <Firebird8> ill drag and drop icons <andreasn> human still use the old naming-scheme though <Firebird8> tango came with Dapper i think <Firebird8> im using it atm <Firebird8> but it doesn't have all the icons <Firebird8> wats the icon file format <Firebird8> where u drag and drop into the icon theme choser <Firebird8> ill go make wallpaper <Firebird8> is there a ubuntu icon that is very large <andreasn> so you can scale it up? <Firebird8> no <Firebird8> so i can model it <andreasn> btw, do you have autotools-dev installed? <Firebird8> i ubuntu icon that is a large image <andreasn> m4 might be usable aswell <Firebird8> its installed <Firebird8> ima look on google image <andreasn> in the orango-tango-set there is a good logo in /scalable/places/start-here.svg <andreasn> hm, there is some package called autoconf-archive aswell <Firebird8> thx <andreasn> not sure if that will make stuff work or not <andreasn> dependency-hell ;) <Firebird8> ok made the ubuntu icon in blender <Firebird8> oH! <Firebird8> i just figured out y the ubuntu cds are colored the way they are <andreasn> oh? <Firebird8> does this match the theme even though it sucks: http://www.firegfx.byethost7.com/images/test.png <andreasn> what did you change? <Firebird8> the title bar <Firebird8> just a test <Firebird8> how do i edit .theme files or are they just text files * Firebird8 is away: Away * Firebird8 is back (gone 00:00:00) <nomed> do u know if there is a taskmanager icon for gnome ? <Firebird8> there is <Firebird8> nomed, there is an icon <nomed> Firebird8, do u know the name too ? <Firebird8> um no <nomed> and if it's even on ubuntu icons theme ? <Firebird8> i can find it <Firebird8> does flight 6 use the tango theme <Firebird8> nomed, i think its computer.svg <Firebird8> but not sure <nomed> umm <Firebird8> flight 6 is not 100% using tango theme <Firebird8> um * Firebird8 doesn't like the tango theme <Firebird8> the HUMAN icon theme which came with Dapper flight 6 is better * Firebird8 is away: TORCS * Firebird8 is back (gone 00:11:33) * Firebird8 is away: learning wings * Firebird8 is back (gone 00:05:34) * Firebird8 is away: cherry blossoms!! * ..[topic/#ubuntu-artwork:Firebird8] : Ubuntu Artworkj * ..[topic/#ubuntu-artwork:Firebird8] : Ubuntu Artwork #ubuntu-artwork 2006-04-08 * Firebird8 is away: dinner * Firebird8 is back (gone 00:10:50) <lapo> hi <lapo> hi there <lapo> hi #ubuntu-artwork 2006-04-09 <lapo> hi <nomed> hi lapo <nomed> bad news ... <nomed> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2006-April/000918.html <-- <nomed> anyway i haven't strong objections ... <nomed> but i 's love to see that logo as xubuntu logo .. <nomed> i like it more day by day .. <nomed> http://www.dsslive.org/xubuntu/tmp/artworks/html/logos.html <-- <nomed> it looks the one that fit better with the others .. <lapo> no probs, if the xubuntu guys likes it good, if not, well <nomed> lapo, at least one likes it ... <nomed> but it's not enough .. <nomed> the mouse seems a must .. <lapo> is there a foot in the ubuntu logo? <lapo> anyway, if you like you can use it, if not, not a problem <nomed> lapo, that's exactly my point of view .. <nomed> i mean ... the DM logo shouldn't be included in the distro logo .. <delire> where would be a useful place to make some comments on the look'n'feel of Flight 6? i'd rather not be registering 'bugs' as such because they don't fit that criteria. #ubuntu-artwork 2006-04-10 <andreasn> delire: the ubuntu-art-list I thinl <andreasn> think <andreasn> anything specific you had in mind? <delire> andreasn: a few bits and pieces.. i can begin if you like. <delire> most of my criticisms are on the level of icons and theme. <delire> though there have been several improvements since dapper. i'm coming at it from a design/fine-arts perspective as that's my professional line of work. <delire> i also teach on the Ubuntu platform from time to time, so have alot of contact with student opinion on Ubuntu and how it looks, though none of my students have seen Flight6 of course.. <andreasn> ooh <andreasn> lots of noise on the list about looks on themes and stuff <andreasn> a little too much noise from time to time ;) <delire> hehe, well i'll contribute ;) <andreasn> ok <andreasn> time for bed <andreasn> night! <klepas> howdy <lapo> hi #ubuntu-artwork 2006-04-11 * Firebird8 is away: shower * Firebird8 is back (gone 00:14:16) <klepas> hello <lapo> hi <dborg> et merc available (ts2 only) but tell me early :> <nxv__> hi <nxv__> i have trouble to install ubuntu-artwork at the moment <nxv__> i get the following error message and don't know how to solve it <nxv__> No theme index file in '/usr/share/icons/default'. <nxv__> If you really want to create an icon cache here, use --ignore-theme-index. <welsh_spud> i've noticed a few people with that problem on the forums <nxv__> welsh_spud: on which forum have you seen this problem discussed? <welsh_spud> http://ubuntuforums.org/ <welsh_spud> ill find a thread now <welsh_spud> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=156194&highlight=ubuntu-desktop <nxv__> thx i will see if it describes my problem #ubuntu-artwork 2006-04-12 <occ|quad> anybody here who can help me a bit with installation problems? <occ|quad> it says: no theme index file in '/usr/share/icons/default'. yaddayadda error exit status 1 <occ|quad> and it suggests to use --ignore-theme-index but I don't know how <kamstrup> occ|quad: what are you trying to install? <kamstrup> a theme? <occ|quad> I did a dist-upgrade to dapper drake <occ|quad> and GDM failed because of artwork dependency <occ|quad> and now I try to install the latest nvidia drivers and complains about the ubuntu-artwork too <kamstrup> have you done a "sudo apt-get install -f"? <kamstrup> and then maybe dist-upgrade again... <occ|quad> I'll try <occ|quad> I hate being (relatively) new to something :) <occ|quad> it seems to be ok now <occ|quad> thanks <occ|quad> hey <occ|quad> I came on here earlier about a problem <occ|quad> the fix was actually very easy <occ|quad> the package manager was complaining about a missing theme index file in /usr/share/icons/default <occ|quad> so all I did was copy an index.theme from another directory into the ./default directory and reinstalled ubuntu-artwork <occ|quad> dno why it was missing, but it's fixed now #ubuntu-artwork 2006-04-13 <pschulz01_> Anyone listening? #ubuntu-artwork 2006-04-16 <lapo> hi <lapo> http://xoomer.virgilio.it/bat/orango-tango/orango-tango-0.0.4.tar.bz2 #ubuntu-artwork 2006-04-17 <lapo> hi <coz> hello all <andreasn> hi <coz> It was suggested that I share my splash screen with the srt team I assume that is who you guys are/ <coz> art <coz> andreasn, hello <coz> for the art team I have made a Splash-screen for dapper uploaded on to ubuntu forims under cosimo <coz> forums <andreasn> I'll check <andreasn> coz: url? <coz> andreasn, hold on <coz> andreasn, for some reason you have to click on the greyed image to see it http://www.ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=2408&original=1&c=newimages <coz> andreasn, you have to click on <andreasn> nice <coz> andreasn, thanks <andreasn> I have a feeling a splash-screen is already in the works though <coz> andreasn, just a note, that is an african baobab tree <andreasn> I like the idea #ubuntu-artwork 2006-04-18 <fiendskull9> hey chillin <fiendskull9> im not sure where to submit wallpapers for dapper (artwork team) yet <fiendskull9> but ill put it here <fiendskull9> http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6553/dapperwall2hr.png <lapo> hi <Tm_T> "invoke-rc.d: initscript gdm, action "reload" failed. <Tm_T> " <Tm_T> ...wrong channel once again #ubuntu-artwork 2006-04-20 <coz> well I added two more splash screens if any of you want to take alook <coz> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/gallery/browseimages.php?c=5 #ubuntu-artwork 2006-04-21 <coz> see if this is an ok splash http://www.ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=2447&original=1&c=5 #ubuntu-artwork 2006-04-22 <jenda> Hello <jenda> Anyone around? with a few spare minutes in the next few days? <AndyFitz> ? <AndyFitz> jenda, whats up <jenda> Mind if I just link you to the post I made on the forum? I don't feel like typing it yet one more time :) <AndyFitz> shoot <jenda> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=929486#post929486 <jenda> It's about stickers for the Marketing Team, AndyFitz <AndyFitz> jenda, cool. <AndyFitz> so you'd like them corrected and a few more concepts done for fun ? <jenda> Yup :) <jenda> And hopefully, I'll put them to use #ubuntu-artwork 2006-04-23 <jenda> Hello. Anyone here interested in helping the Marketing Team produce ubuntu promotion stickers? <lapo> hi <Reznor> hi <lapo> hi #ubuntu-artwork 2006-04-24 <lapo> hi #ubuntu-artwork 2006-04-25 <wftl> Hello, oh quiet group. <wftl> Is the artwork in the latest Ubuntu stores (the one that says "Ubuntu Dapper Beta") basically the final artwork. <wftl> I'm wrapping up my book, "Moving to Ubuntu" and I <wftl> oops <wftl> and I'd like to find out if there will be further changes in the artwork. <wftl> If not, I wonder if it's possible for me to get a copy of the background, minus the words "Ubuntu Dapper Beta" <klepas> the artwork you speak of (such as the wallpaper) is not finalised <wftl> klepas: Thank you. Any idea when? I have about ten days to take the final screenshots. <wftl> If I can't do it, I can't. I'll work with the window decorations and widgets that are there. <klepas> i will not return to my workstation and thus the email address I use for my mailing lists for about 8 more days, however I will see if I can contact someone higher up to see if we can get this finalised within the week <klepas> problem is that the art team does not do the wallpaper <klepas> a contracted canonical artist does it <klepas> as with the previous releases <klepas> wftl: can i have your email address? <klepas> I'll mail you if i can't catch you online here again <chiwawa_42> hi <chiwawa_42> i'd have some feedback to provide about the latest dapper theme <wsjunior> sup guys.. could u please make the trash actually looks like a trash? some grandmas think its a battery indicator.. <wsjunior> :-p <wsjunior> cya <chiwawa_42> wsjunior, that's bit short <wsjunior> chiwawa_42, :) <Sp4rKy> hi <Sp4rKy> what do you think about it ==> http://www.sos-sts.org/temp/plein.png <chiwawa_42> Sp4rKy, bof, un theme de geek... <Sp4rKy> ^^ <Sp4rKy> chiwawa_42, you speak french now :) <chiwawa_42> oops <Sp4rKy> ^^ <Sp4rKy> i you want speak french , i think you should go to #ubuntu-fr and answer me when i say "vous tes tous mort" ^^ <chiwawa_42> Sp4rKy, already on #ubuntu-fr <Sp4rKy> i know <Sp4rKy> but you don't answer whereas you don't sleeping :) <klepas> anyone awake? :) <klepas> AndyFitz: pong <AndyFitz> hiya klepas <AndyFitz> man today is a a busy day <klepas> same here <klepas> spent my first day with dave at solutionsfirst <klepas> was a lot of fun :) <AndyFitz> congrats mate . howd it go ? <klepas> pretty cool <AndyFitz> they treat you right ? <klepas> tagged along while dave and this other guy from France who is doing his internship here to the WWF offices <klepas> fixed something with their mail <klepas> i was designing a website <klepas> but yea, they treated me alright <klepas> their graphic artist uses proprietary <AndyFitz> thats okay . , nobodys perfetc ;-) <AndyFitz> tell them to semantically sex up their sites ? <klepas> oh, no <klepas> sorry <klepas> will do tomorrow <klepas> lol <klepas> i forgot my charger today <klepas> that sucked <klepas> ran out of battery power around 3:30 <coz_> hello trying to upload art on to the ubuntu artwork site but keep getting errors that the url is incorrect however it seems to meet all the requirements <jenda> Hello. Looking for a proffesional artist for a quick (but skill-demanding) top secret job... <jenda> <jenda> aww... <jenda> It is only ... implanting, let's say, the Ubuntu logo into a photograph. <jenda> shouldn't be that difficult. <jenda> But will require shifting the logo into perspective a bit - not too sensitive, as it will be rather small... <klepas> jenda: what's on your mind? <jenda> hehe... <jenda> umm... <jenda> have you heard what dapper+1 should be called? <klepas> yes <klepas> :) <jenda> Eft... <jenda> http://www.travelsinbearcountry.com/wildlife/red-eft-006.jpg <klepas> Edgy Eft, yes :) <jenda> have a look at thta little thnig... and the spots on it... <jenda> http://www.travelsinbearcountry.com/wildlife/red_eft_005.jpg <klepas> nice <jenda> I started palying with it just now, but I don't know if my skill is good enough for the obvious 'upgrade' of the pretty little creature... <klepas> if you'd prefer to keep it to yourself for the moment feel free <jenda> hehe... <jenda> well, if you want to try it out - do so :) I dunno how good you are at it :) And as this is the free software world... no credit is involved, you know - my idea is yours to have (and I'm sure others have thought of it...) <klepas> you mean use those images as a base for some other work? <jenda> yup... <jenda> come on... <jenda> the little circulr spots <jenda> don't they look sooo much like the human circle? <jenda> just a little prod here and there... <klepas> lol <klepas> mayhaps <jenda> prodding... <jenda> but I'm not good at it - and if it were done properly... it would be just perfect... <klepas> mhh <klepas> interesting idea <jenda> I have a first attempt done.. <klepas> jenda: just had a look <klepas> very cute <klepas> :) <klepas> it looks great <klepas> :) <jenda> Hehe, thanks :) <jenda> But if it were done by someone who can really polish it... <klepas> get yourself a very large image <klepas> 2000+ <klepas> and then do it <klepas> :) <jenda> I couldn't find one... <klepas> mhh <klepas> give Garret LeSage a buzz <klepas> linuxart.com <klepas> :) <jenda> ok #ubuntu-artwork 2006-04-26 <coz_> hello all <coz_> has a logo or art work been decided upon for edgy eft? <klepas> wftl: ping <klepas> exit <klepas> ack :P <klepas> wftl: ping <lapo> hi <mpathy> Hi There.. Is there a complete "ubuntu title" out or only the old with no capitals and no numbers? #ubuntu-artwork 2006-04-27 <klepas> wftl: ping * netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> brown.freenode.net <andreasn> hi klepas <andreasn> nice installer-icon <klepas> oh, hehe <klepas> :) <klepas> is it being used? <klepas> if so, jimmac deserves the congrats <andreasn> I thought I saw it in a screenshot somewhere <klepas> he did it, and i just added the ubuntu logo <klepas> nice <andreasn> I know <andreasn> I fixed a kubuntu-installer <andreasn> but perhaps I should make it more crystal <klepas> :) <andreasn> on the other hand, I'm not on the tango-project, not the crystal-project #ubuntu-artwork 2006-04-28 <rob> anyone around? <rob> no? <lapo> hi <rob> hi lapo <rob> thought I'd pop in and give you guys some heads up <rob> the doc team is looking at publishing all its guides as hard copies though Lulu, and whist its still being discussed we plan on eventually asking you guys if you would like to design the covers <rob> we are still putting ideas together though before we bring it to you 'officially' <rob> would you guys be interested? <coz_> I would be interested although you don't know me <rob> do you guys have a mailing list? <aphorism> mouse cursors anyone? <sivang> hi all <Firebird8> woa <Firebird8> where is everyone #ubuntu-artwork 2006-04-29 * Firebird8 is away: Tremulous * Firebird8 is back (gone 00:42:35) * Firebird8 is away: nity all <klepas> moin <lapo> hi <mdke> hi all. <mdke> is anyone interested in helping the docteam with those icons I posted to the -art mailing list yesterday? <andreasn> mdke: hm, what was that again? <mdke> andreasn, subject was "Some help needed from the Documentation Team" <andreasn> I'll check it out <mdke> thanks <andreasn> those icons at the beginning of chapter 2? <mdke> well, on page 9 you see 4 of em <mdke> part 2 of the preface <andreasn> this reminds me that I promised shaun some new icons for yelp about a year ago... :( <mdke> you could kill both with one stone <andreasn> yeah <mdke> but what we're really after for these pdfs is black and white ones <andreasn> perhaps some nice stuff can be found in the kde high-contrast theme <andreasn> and in the gnome high-contrast theme <andreasn> the name of the kde-package is mono or something like that <andreasn> need to fix some food now <andreasn> will you be around later? <mdke> andreasn, yep <andreasn> cool <mdke> i'll stay in here, but in case you don't find me, I'm zstrickland@example.net or mdke on here <andreasn> nice <Firebird8> lo * Firebird8 is away: W-ET <mdke> gah #ubuntu-artwork 2006-04-30 <Firebird8> lo * Firebird8 is away: Away * Firebird8 is back (gone 00:20:23) * Firebird8 is away: Away <klepas> quite empty <lapo> hi <klepas> moin <lapo> ciao klepas <klepas> you're off? <lapo> uhm? <klepas> 'ciao' <klepas> commonly used here to say bye <klepas> :) <lapo> nay, ciao is a for of greeting, it works as hi, and bye :-) <lapo> well in italy at least :-) <klepas> is that universal, or regional? <lapo> it is italian <klepas> as here it is essentially exclussive for bye <lapo> it is a general greatings, colloquial <lapo> it derive from venice ancient dialect, it means something like "I'm your slave" actually , you can read it like "hi" and "bye" <lapo> If I teach italian to the whole world I could stop wrecking english :-) <klepas> ;) <klepas> seems confusing <lapo> italian is confusing :-) <klepas> to have such a term being colloquial <klepas> another language that is quite confusing is Chinese <lapo> it became coloquial, nobody knows the actuall meaning #ubuntu-artwork 2007-04-01 <spikeb> any of you folks work on the offical artwork, or is that all just the boss and the one guy only #ubuntu-artwork 2007-04-02 <lapo> hi there <kwwii> hi <andreasn_> hi lapo <lapo> yo kwwii, andreasn <kwwii> lapo: great work on the stock icons, btw <lapo> kwwii: thanks, I didn't do very much, you should thank andreasn for the effort who did a lot of icons and hyped the event in every possible way, yay andreasn! :-) <andreasn> well, I just blogged about it a bit <kwwii> andreasn: they really are a big improvement on the stock icons :-) <kwwii> we're putting them in feisty :-) <andreasn> oh <andreasn> cool <kwwii> very nice indeed :-) <lapo> kwwii: I was talking with dholach and seb about shipping them <kwwii> lapo: yeah, he pinged me about it <lapo> kwwii: the best approach imho is to have the icons shipped in hicolor <lapo> what do you think about it? <kwwii> lapo: exactly what we are doing <lapo> cool <lapo> tango-common then? <andreasn> hopefully they can go into gtk+ upstream so that people on windows and osx can enjoy them, ported apps often look like total crap on those platforms right now <lapo> I think either tango-common or ubuntu-artwork will do the trick <kwwii> andreasn: yes, definitely :-) <kwwii> lapo: I am guessing ubuntu-artwork <lapo> andreasn: yeah, but I'd like to have them shipped before the flamewar..erhm discussion on gtk+ list ends positivelly :-) <lapo> kwwii: ok <kwwii> lapo: erm, tango-common, I meant <kwwii> my brain is not in sync with my fingers today <lapo> eheh, kwwii, well it's always like that for me :-) <andreasn> lapo: I'm not sure if there really was a big flamewar, it was mostly one dude saying "hey, what's this stuff, don't we break something now?!" and someone else saying "I kind of like the current ones because they are kind of cute, or whatever" <andreasn> and the rest of the devs didn't say anything at all, as usual :) <kwwii> sounds like artwork fud to me * kwwii gets lunch...bbl <lapo> andreasn: yeah <lapo> andreasn: the same "don't brake old" stuff argument <andreasn> we made sure we're only used the same metaphors, so it don't "break" apps that misuses the stock icons <andreasn> so it shouldn't really be any trouble <andreasn> time will tell <kwwii_> re <bersace> troy_s: hi bro <bersace> i send you update icons for ubuntu-art team branding at lp <bersace> troy_s: could also update chan topic ? <kwwii> bersace: what should the topic be? <bersace> kwwii: "Ubuntu gets it right" * mode/#ubuntu-artwork [+o kwwii] by ChanServ <bersace> ;) <bersace> well, i have a bug for people using fingerprint reader * ..[topic/#ubuntu-artwork:kwwii] : Welcome to #ubuntu-artwork. Ubuntu gets it right <bersace> :D <kwwii> ;-) * bersace checks gnome-looks.org <kwwii> bersace: does the fingerprint reader work in linux now? * kwwii has one on this laptop <kwwii> the only reason I boot windows is to impress my friends <bersace> at least thinkpad and thinkpad based laptop <kwwii> killer :-) <bersace> lol <kwwii> can you point me to a package or such? <bersace> kwwii: you could add http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/HumanList?content=54505 to topic <bersace> kwwii: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinkFinger * ..[topic/#ubuntu-artwork:kwwii] : Welcome to #ubuntu-artwork. Ubuntu gets it right; http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/HumanList?content=54505 <kwwii> sure :-) <bersace> the bug is that "Password or swipe your finger" is show instead of Password:" <bersace> user only see "Password or s" <bersace> then the entry is displayed :x <bersace> i wonder how to try that <bersace> i may just commit fixes and ask ploum to test my bzr branch <bersace> how can i merge my branch and your ? <bersace> i mean, getting back your changes in my branch <kwwii> hehe, and it doesn't work with kde at all <kwwii> bersace: good question about merging...I'll try to figure that out <bersace> my branch is not a fork ;) <kwwii> I think you enter your local branch and then "bzr merge url-from-the-branch-to-merge" <kwwii> depending on how far apart they are, you might have to manually add things <bersace> ok <kwwii> the thinkfinger stuff would be best with the list theme, as then one would not have to type in the user name <kwwii> if I didn't need to use kde anymore I would try it :-) <kwwii> time for dinner, bbl <bersace> have to go, see you later <lapo> re <kwwii> lapo: why is the svg of the applications-graphics icon different from the png version in tangerine? <lapo> kwwii: I'm not on a feisty machine, can you post a screenshot? <kwwii> lapo: I was just looking through the package itself (the svg has a paint tube in it, the png does not) <kwwii> although perhaps you have already changed that <lapo> lemme check <lapo> it's probably my fault, I added all the "sources" laying around my discs back to the repository, so it's possible I got the wrong file in <lapo> kwwii: which size are you referring though? <kwwii> I've removed that icon from the Human theme so that it defaults back to the tangerine theme <kwwii> 24x24 <kwwii> for the icons that are shown in the Applications menu <lapo> kwwii: I see no tube there <lapo> it's only a brush here <kwwii> in both the png and the svg? <lapo> yep <kwwii> hrm, then I must have an old version <kwwii> the svg in my system has a tube in it (looks pretty nice too) <lapo> I think it has always been like that though <kwwii> I like it a bit better than the brush alone <lapo> you are probably getting the 48x48 icon scaled down then <lapo> or the 32x32 one <kwwii> no, the 24x24 pixmap dir has one with only a brush and the scalable dir has one with brush and tube <lapo> so why are you getting the tube? :-) <lapo> while the 22x22 is a brush <kwwii> I am not seeing the tube being used, but I want to see it :-) <kwwii> I was thinking about rendering the svg to pngs so that it is used :-) <lapo> kwwii: naaah, you should scale it down nicelly <kwwii> the svg I found seems to be made at 48x48 <lapo> yep, as all the svg we have in scalable <lapo> scalable as the dir <kwwii> ahaaa, didn't know that <kwwii> I have so much to learn about gnome icons :-) <lapo> s/gnome/tango/ eventually :-) <kwwii> yepp <kwwii> we put the new icons in tango-common for feisty, btw <andreasn> the gtk ones? <kwwii> they look *so* much better than the old ones <kwwii> yepp <lapo> kwwii: I'm putting them in tangerine, seems better <lapo> kwwii: I think I have something buildable even <andreasn> yeah, they seems popular, wonder who to bug to get them into gtk upstream <lapo> andreasn: I think jimmac written a new mail to the gtk list <lapo> kwwii: if you feel like trying tangerine with new gtk stock: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~calamandrei/tangerine-icon-theme/ubuntu/ <andreasn> lapo: ah, just found it <lapo> ehm well, in a minute, It's still uploading <kwwii> lapo: cool...although feisty will use them without having to put them in tangerine
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