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Questions, requests and complaints about Ubuntu related channels and their people can be filed here" * #ubuntu-mythtv [freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp * #ubuntu-boot is desynced from brown.freenode.net at 07:45am (fabbione/#ubuntu-mythtv) test <fabbione> anybody alive? <cbx33> wow! <cbx33> so here we are <cbx33> how good is mythtv now on Ubuntu? <superm1> imbrandon, u around? <spiderworm> anyone here successfully compiling .20 fixes branch on edgy? <imbrandon> superm1, yup <imbrandon> cbx33, rockin smooth ;) <superm1> could you get me access into that server today? <imbrandon> superm1, sure, lemme set it up now <superm1> spiderworm, yes i've built 0.20 debs <superm1> spiderworm, lots of times <spiderworm> superm1: oh cool! <superm1> spiderworm, 0.20 is in multiverse already though <spiderworm> im wondering if you could take a look at this: http://pastebin.ca/410665 <superm1> with the fixes branch snapshot from a few months ago <spiderworm> yikes.... netsplit? <superm1> spiderworm, your not building a deb, just a svn checkout it appears <imbrandon> spiderworm, dident look like it, only you <superm1> right? <spiderworm> i prefer building from source with myth (worked great on dapper!) because ive gotten burned using packages in the past <spiderworm> superm1: correct <spiderworm> i upgraded to edgy over the weekend and have had nothing but trouble now with myth :( <superm1> spiderworm, i'm imagining your missing a ffmpeg build depen here <superm1> spiderworm, you might consider trying the debs in multiverse though. things have changed a bunch since dapper in terms of packaging for them <spiderworm> superm1: i was thinking so but nowhere is it warning me about "no such file or directory" <imbrandon> yea we actualy started working on them, you might even try feisty <imbrandon> beta <spiderworm> superm1: im considering it for sure and may have to fall back on that <spiderworm> hehe well, is feisty using the .21 branch? <superm1> spiderworm, most people are the *other* way around. try the *easy* debs, and if that doesnt work - go source, but to each his own <superm1> feisty is 0.20 fixes as well (not 0.21) <spiderworm> yes i guess thats true :) <superm1> spiderworm, but if your going to do it the hard way, do a "sudo apt-get bulid-dep mythtv" <superm1> and you will get all build deps normally used for the packages <spiderworm> superm1: actually i dont, i get an error <spiderworm> one sec and i'll get that error for you <spiderworm> E: Build-dependencies for mythtv could not be satisfied. <--- only error :( <spiderworm> so very helpful, wouldn't you say? <spiderworm> do you know of a way to get more verbose output for that? <imbrandon> do you have multiverse enabled ? <spiderworm> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy multiverse , deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy multiverse , and deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse all enabled <spiderworm> when i upgraded to edgy over the weekend, after the upgrade i was having troubles so i cleared out sources.list and rebuilt it <spiderworm> then apt-get update and apt-get upgrade, of course <superm1> your missing universe then on "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy multiverse" <spiderworm> but i wonder if there's some packages on there from old repos that are causing me trouble <spiderworm> i have it on a seperate line <superm1> could you post your sources.list in a pastebin as well? <spiderworm> actually: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/sources <spiderworm> its copied & pasted from the edgy section <superm1> your missing universe and multiverse on edgy-updates and multiverse on edgy-security then <superm1> from what i gather <spiderworm> ok, let me try that... <superm1> these 4 are adequate for most purposes: (i'm not sure why a lot people seperate them and make it hard to read) <spiderworm> i suppose you're right... my gosh! <superm1> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted universe multiverse <superm1> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-updates main restricted universe multiverse <superm1> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-security main restricted universe multiverse <superm1> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse * spiderworm slaps himself <superm1> haha <superm1> at least its something easy <superm1> imbrandon, will you need a public key from me? <superm1> er you can get it off launchpad i guess <spiderworm> grrr after apt-get update and apt-get uprade, still E: Build-dependencies for mythtv could not be satisfied <spiderworm> one sec, will paste my sources.list <spiderworm> http://pastebin.ca/410761 <superm1> woah whats that bottom one there.... <superm1> http://knm.org/mythdebs/ <spiderworm> superm1: oh i donno, something i picked up somewhere.... <spiderworm> should i lose it maybe? <superm1> yes <spiderworm> even still same problem <superm1> take out the deb and deb-src line for that repo <spiderworm> theyre gone <spiderworm> already did it <superm1> apt-cache policy mythtv <superm1> whats that get you? <imbrandon> superm1, do you have your public key on lp ? <superm1> yes both <superm1> i have two machines that i use <superm1> and both keys are there <superm1> https://launchpad.net/~superm1/+sshkeys <imbrandon> ok <spiderworm> it gets me: http://pastebin.ca/410768 <superm1> okay then thats right. <superm1> it sounds like you have some build dependency installed right now that conflicts with mythtv build deps then <superm1> i'm not sure where it would have came from (or your old dapper repos that were in use previously) <spiderworm> how would i go about cleaning this mess up? <superm1> but the easiest way i know to check on it is to go into synaptic, and set the filter that shows "local" packages <superm1> meaning that version currently installed isnt on the repositories on /etc/apt/sources.list <spiderworm> local meaning not found in repos <superm1> rihgt <spiderworm> gotcha <superm1> and you can hit ctrl-e on any of those <superm1> to switch to another version <superm1> there probably is a way with command line apt too, but i dont know it <spiderworm> im i dont see Local as an option anywhere in synaptic filters <spiderworm> help? <superm1> let me see if i can get to an edgy synaptic <superm1> its changed in feisty <superm1> and thats what i have on my laptop <spiderworm> thanks by the way for the help <superm1> Status button <spiderworm> ive been struggling through this for days and ai cant stop! <superm1> and then Installed (local or obsolete) <superm1> not a problem, glad to help :) <spiderworm> i have no status button :( <spiderworm> syanptic v .57.8 <spiderworm> oh wait <spiderworm> i found it :) <spiderworm> was looking in filters for it <superm1> yea that is where it is feisty i think <superm1> thats probably why i thought it was still there in edgy <cbx33> all teh directory issues ironed out in feisty then? <superm1> cbx33, which ones? <cbx33> i think when i used edgy, nothing worked propoerly in the plugins * cbx33 is setting up a mythtv box <cbx33> using knoppmyth at the mo <cbx33> but wanting to really use bubuntu <superm1> cbx33, all the plugins should be properly setup now, making directories in /var/lib/ <cbx33> nice <superm1> afaik :) <cbx33> i saw the instructions for myth on feisty <cbx33> looked a little complicated <superm1> complicated? its supposed to be getting easier :) <superm1> which page were you looking at <cbx33> hehe well that's what I thought <cbx33> lemme find it <cbx33> oh btw...can i play copy protected dvds on mythtv <superm1> majoridiot has taken over the pages, so i'll let him know your input <superm1> you can if you have libdvdcss2 installed <cbx33> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feisty_Backend_Frontend <cbx33> i just installed that on my knoppmyth box and it wouldn't let me play kung fu hustle <cbx33> but "the one" played fnioe <spiderworm> superm1: i removed 115 local packages :) <spiderworm> superm1: build-dep now works <superm1> wow spiderworm <superm1> spiderworm, very good <superm1> cbx33, are you saying this page looks complicated because all of the steps are in such a linear fashion? <superm1> all on the same page and all <cbx33> probably <cbx33> :p <cbx33> I'll try it out later ;) <superm1> cbx33, well i mentioned that to majoridiot too <superm1> that the page is a whole lot of information at one time <superm1> maybe at least moving the what next section to another page <superm1> or the basic install steps since not everyone will follow those <spiderworm> doh! <spiderworm> still getting the same error during compile <superm1> lol <superm1> was there other build deps installed though? <spiderworm> yes, several <superm1> well you probably solved several later problems then during compilation <superm1> so u ready to bit the bullet and try the debs yet ;)? <spiderworm> perhaps <spiderworm> ive heard horror stories of passwords being changed, themes disappearing and mythfrontend not starting <superm1> well i can tell you what happens with the password problem <superm1> that is directly related to not reading documentation <superm1> and there is a big wrapper script in place for feisty to end it <spiderworm> (yay!) <superm1> themes dissappearing is something i havent heard however <spiderworm> mythfrontend wont start if it cant find the theme <superm1> so with regard to the passwords - any user that you start mythtv with <superm1> needs to be in the mythtv group <superm1> *before* you try to launch mythfrontend <superm1> or mythtv-setup for the first time <superm1> eg you need to add yourself to the group, log out, log back in <superm1> and then start any myth apps <superm1> is your missing a theme, there is a command line option to start with a different theme. i dont know the option off hand, but our packages dont remove any themes, so thats gotta be related to migrating a box and not installing a theme you had there <spiderworm> people going from source to packages..... the packages dont contain all the themes that are in svn, do they? <superm1> you need to install mythtv-themes <superm1> thats all <fabbione> hey guys <superm1> and you should then have everything that was in 0.20-fixes but not necessarily svn <fabbione> so who is familiar with libmythtv code? (live tv stuff specifically) <superm1> hey fabbione . <superm1> familiar with the code itself ... i doubt anyone in the room <superm1> i know not i <fabbione> problem is that even if i configure 2 cards, livetv can't switch between them <fabbione> it tells me that there is no other recorder?!? <spiderworm> i just installed the packages <superm1> oh did that workaround work for you yesterday that i mentioned? <fabbione> but there are 2 <spiderworm> mythfrontend --override-setting theme=<anyone have a valid theme name?> <fabbione> superm1: i can see the channels in the program guide, but i can't switch <spiderworm> G.A.N.T doesnt seem to work... <spiderworm> blue doesnt work... <spiderworm> wtf <spiderworm> lol <spiderworm> could not find theme default <superm1> brb <superm1> ill help in a sec <fabbione> BZZZZZZZZZT <fabbione> 2007-03-26 20:31:22.370 DVBChan(1) Error: Opening DVB frontend device failed. <fabbione> eno: Device or resource busy (16) <superm1> spiderworm, you installed source before <superm1> into /usr/local? <spiderworm> superm1: yeah i figured out hte problem :) you nailed it on the head <spiderworm> deleted /usr/local/lib/*myth* and mythfrontend fired up <superm1> sorry i was talking with a prof. <spiderworm> NOW im BACK to the orginal problem that started this whole mess in the first place! <superm1> which is? <spiderworm> the original problem was (is) that mythbackend runs, throws no errors in shell or in log, but frontend cannot connect to it AND it backend does not show up in netstat! <spiderworm> w00t <superm1> fabbione, why is thta happening? <fabbione> AHHH <fabbione> superm1: fixed it... <fabbione> i will explain in 2 minutes.. * fabbione needs to run to the thinking room <superm1> spiderworm, /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log <spiderworm> sudo netstat -tuna | grep 6543 shows nothing, sudo netstat -tunap | grep myth shows nothing <superm1> check and see what it is saying <spiderworm> superm1: log is clean <superm1> clean as in empty? <spiderworm> no errors no problems <superm1> or clean as in nothing <spiderworm> clean as in i'll pastebin it for ya <superm1> k <superm1> hey jetsaredim <jetsaredim> dude <jetsaredim> I started messing with the glade shit <superm1> jetsaredim, and good or bad news proceeds... <jetsaredim> but I think there was something incompatible between the edgy glade which I had on my system and the feisty glade from the livecd <superm1> whats happening? <jetsaredim> some sort of unrecogized glade type <jetsaredim> like they are using some glade type that wasn <jetsaredim> t in the version i had <fabbione> superm1: basically it's a hvr3000 driver limitation. afaik it's on windows, but basically with multiple frontends, when you get an exclusive access to a device (Mythtv default) you can't access the other frontend. So the backend can't initialize the second configured frontend <jetsaredim> so i'm coaxing my dev box through a feisty upgrade (which is not going totally well) <fabbione> the solution is to set dvb_on_demand in the mythtv config for now <fabbione> that will allow you to init both hvr3000 frontends from the backend <fabbione> and you can switch in livetv <fabbione> i assume this limitation has other consequences like you can't watch dvb-t and record dvb-s at the same time <fabbione> but i will solve that later on <spiderworm> superm1: http://pastebin.ca/410875 <spiderworm> (prepare to be mystified) <superm1> fabbione, that probably touches upon another issue that i heard of recording two sources on the same mux in the US <superm1> fabbione, no code has been proposed as of yet <superm1> but thats good you solved it <fabbione> superm1: if it's a kernel limitation there is not much you can do in Mythtv <fabbione> you need to fix the drivers first <superm1> fabbione, good point <fabbione> superm1: it would be good if you can actually add these information to the MythTV/ubuntu wiki <fabbione> right now i am porting the HVR3000 code from linuxtv.org to 2.6.20 <fabbione> once i get that to build and work i will look into the limitation <fabbione> it might just be a wrong return <superm1> fabbione, i'll add a note about this to troubleshooting then. very good info <superm1> jetsaredim, have you tried to install the feisty glade packages on edgy? <fabbione> superm1: thanks <superm1> spiderworm, that log looks prestine <jetsaredim> superm1: too late now <spiderworm> superm1: doesnt it tho? <jetsaredim> I'm basically done the upgrade <superm1> jetsaredim, ah okay :) <jetsaredim> was just not a fun one <jetsaredim> my nvidia stuff got all screwed up <spiderworm> superm1: i bet that poor process was like "dont kill me! i've been good!" <jetsaredim> not even sure if that's really fixed until I reboot <spiderworm> he only THOUGHT he's been good <spiderworm> i just dont know how to get it through his thick skulll.... <superm1> jetsaredim, haha <superm1> spiderworm, are you sure that yo uhave the right ip set <superm1> in mythtv-setup <jetsaredim> seems like every time I reboot the nvidia drivers just disappear <spiderworm> superm1: 800.716.0984 port 6543.... status on 6544... that ip is correct <spiderworm> best i can tell is something in edgy is not allowing it to listen on 6543? <spiderworm> *shrug* <superm1> jetsaredim, using drivers in restricted manager? <superm1> spiderworm, .... hmm <superm1> wait a minute... <superm1> you started as root <superm1> not as mythtv <superm1> oh nvm <superm1> you used the init script <spiderworm> yes <jetsaredim> superm1: ?? <superm1> jetsaredim, how did you do nvidia-drivers, linux-restricted-modules? or from the nvidia installer <superm1> spiderworm, try adding some verbose options <spiderworm> you got it <jetsaredim> nvidia installer? <jetsaredim> i had them installed from edgy <superm1> spiderworm, to /etc/default/mythtv-backend <jetsaredim> i didn't reinstall <superm1> jetsaredim, if you installed from the nvidia installer, u might want to try reverting to open source driver and then using restricted-manager to install directly from ubuntu repos <jetsaredim> o - i had the ??? because I had no idea what you were talking about <jetsaredim> i just installed the drivers from adept <superm1> oh okay <superm1> so what happens that you "lose" it <superm1> the nvidia.ko isn't generated? <jetsaredim> not sure <jetsaredim> like I have it up and working at the moment <superm1> oh wait you just did this today <superm1> right <superm1> or yesterday or so <superm1> because there was a new kernel image released yesterday, but no linux-restricted-modules to compliment it <jetsaredim> i think it has to do with the fact that its being installed into some volatile area <superm1> so if you installed that and rebooted into it <superm1> linux-restricted-modules got released today <jetsaredim> which - 20-13 <superm1> yes <jetsaredim> o <superm1> i got bit by that yesterday too * jetsaredim picks the best days to upgrade <superm1> with my ati drivers <superm1> but since i've had feisty on for a bit, i had an old kernel to revert to until l-r-m was ready <spiderworm> superm1: i accidentally erased /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend ... how to use apt to get it back again? <jetsaredim> it must be now <spiderworm> dpkg-reconfigure mythtv ? <superm1> spiderworm, sudo apt-get install --reinstall mythtv-backend <superm1> should do it <superm1> jetsaredim, yup it is, i just got it a few hours ago <superm1> from my mirror <superm1> spiderworm, if that doesn't do it, you'll need to apt-get remove --purge mythtv-backend and then do the apt-get install mythtv-backend <spiderworm> superm1: http://pastebin.ca/410908 * jetsaredim yells at his monitor <superm1> does it just sit there? <spiderworm> superm1: indeed <spiderworm> superm1: nothign pops up when mythfrontend tries to connect <spiderworm> superm1: should there be more log output after that or something? <superm1> well it shouldnt just stop in the middle of mysql selects like htat <spiderworm> superm1: i did kill it pretty quickly, i'll let it run a minute or two this time <superm1> spiderworm, k <superm1> spiderworm, you cleaned up all binaries in /usr/local/lib *and* /usr/local/bin right? <superm1> not just one or the other <spiderworm> superm1: yes, and also those in /usr/local/include and /usr/local/share <superm1> this is an existing mythtv-database however right? <superm1> in mysql * gardengnome walks someone through database setup on ubuntu and screams. <superm1> gardengnome, "sudo apt-get install mythtv-database" ? <gardengnome> superm1: i f'ing wish. ;) <superm1> gardengnome, what happened? <gardengnome> this time it's actually because he's using the external IP address to access the DB server. the mythtv-database scripts don't account for that, i suppose. it's not critical, though. <superm1> gardengnome, they *should* be accounting for that <gardengnome> how so? <superm1> oh wait, he is installing the DB on a remote server? <superm1> as in remote mysql server <gardengnome> i don't know. <superm1> well mythtv-database installs on the mysql server you configured in mythtv-common <superm1> so if you choose to do it on a remote server, then as long as it was right in mythtv-common, then it will be fine <superm1> but if you updated /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt manually instead of dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common <superm1> then it wont <gardengnome> i'll paste our conversation to him. thank you. <superm1> k <gardengnome> i'm gonna update the channel faq or something with this. <gardengnome> so i can yell "RTFM" at people. :) <superm1> haha <superm1> on #mythtv-users? <gardengnome> yeah. the guy i'm talking to is in #mythtv-de though <superm1> ah <superm1> jetsaredim, having connectoin issues it appears? <jetsaredim> omfg <jetsaredim> I need to figure out how to un-break dhclient <jetsaredim> like - I want it to grab the information from resolv.conf on boot <jetsaredim> but then it keeps grabbing it periodically <jetsaredim> which I don't want <superm1> oh i think i know the solution you're looking for. * superm1 looks for that conf file that he put aside <jetsaredim> cause when I connect to work via my vpn, it needs to put down the vpn network's resolv.conf * jetsaredim awaits with bated breath <jetsaredim> you would be my saviour <spiderworm> superm1: ok i think ive got most things working now <superm1> spiderworm, what'd you have to do <superm1> jetsaredim, i *think* /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf <jetsaredim> yea <spiderworm> superm1: i can record by doing cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/file.mpg and play it back with mplayer <superm1> spiderworm, that's not entirely a "working" mythtv however... <spiderworm> but tvtime wont play tv and mythfrontend says all available inputs are in use <spiderworm> mythfrontend is connecting to backend now ) <spiderworm> :) <superm1> spiderworm, how'd you get mythfrontend connecting <spiderworm> superm1: i waited :D <superm1> haha <spiderworm> it finally showed up on netstat and i connected <spiderworm> now i need to figure out why "no inputs are availble" <spiderworm> bullcrap! <superm1> were you doing the cat /dev/video0 as the backend was starting? <superm1> perhaps during the time it would have init'ed the card <spiderworm> superm1: no <superm1> jetsaredim, you need a dhclient hook from what i gather <superm1> in /etc/dhcp3 <spiderworm> i'll restart backend to be sure tho <superm1> jetsaredim, this discusses how to do it: http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl8_dhclient-script.htm <superm1> you need to redefine a hook that is made by dhclient <superm1> jetsaredi1, not sure if you saw the posts before since you appear to be vpn'ed now: jetsaredim, this discusses how to do it: http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl8_dhclient-script.htm <superm1> <superm1> you need to redefine a hook that is made by dhclient <jetsaredi1> I just commented out the timeout value <superm1> and that did it? <jetsaredi1> just to see if it works <jetsaredi1> not sure yet <superm1> :) <jetsaredi1> usually happens around 2 min <superm1> how are things looking for ubiquity other than the glade issues you ran into? <jetsaredi1> fuck <superm1> ? <jetsaredi1> reverted back <superm1> jetsaredi1, what vpn client? <superm1> cisco i'd imagine? <jetsaredi1> yea <spiderworm> superm1: everything is working great now, thanks superm1 <spiderworm> *hug* <spiderworm> *slobbery kiss* <superm1> spiderworm, wonderful that it works :) <superm1> spiderworm, see binary packages aren't that bad eh? <spiderworm> *shrug* we'll see :) <superm1> jetsaredi1, you seen bug 92761 <ubotu> Malone bug 92761 in network-manager "resolv.conf overwritten no matter what I do" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92761 <spiderworm> i've used debs before... you just keep them up to date, ya hear me? ;) <superm1> spiderworm, haha <spiderworm> you just do all the work while i have some fun, got it? ;) <superm1> spiderworm, as long as you spread the help around in case you see someone else running into this, i'm all over that <superm1> spiderworm, particularly #mythtv-users, as i'm sure people in there run into stuff like this all the time <spiderworm> superm1: tell ya wat, i'll autojoin and help people in her efrom time to time <superm1> spiderworm, cool :) <spiderworm> if you ever need help with blender btw im sort of a bigwig in the community <spiderworm> sort of <spiderworm> maybe a medium wig <spiderworm> ok a pretty small frikkin wig but i can at least offer some help & support <superm1> spiderworm, i dont even know what blender is? <spiderworm> blender 3d?! <superm1> i've heard its name thrown around <gardengnome> blender is a ncie 3d modeling app. <superm1> but no idea what it was <spiderworm> my gosh man, /join #blender3d already! <gardengnome> i totally rodriguezcrystal@example.org. :) <superm1> sorta like solidworks? <spiderworm> er oops <spiderworm> i mean, /join #blender <gardengnome> spiderworm: do you want him to play with blender or make nice packages for us? ;)) (j/k) <superm1> haha <spiderworm> superm1: more like maya <spiderworm> gardengnome: a bit of both! <superm1> i'll install it, and it to my list of things to toy around with :) <gardengnome> it's really nifty. <spiderworm> superm1: you can blame me for this popular documentation: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Blender_3D:_Noob_to_Pro <superm1> spiderworm, nice. adding it to del.icio.us right now <spiderworm> superm1: actually i have another question for you <superm1> spiderworm, sure shoot <spiderworm> i still want to play around with the source checkouts <gardengnome> spiderworm: thanks for that guide <superm1> jetsaredi1, did you look through some of the stuff on that bug? seems to have a few possible solutions <spiderworm> how reasonable is it to build myth from source in a /home directory while there is a package install on the system? <superm1> spiderworm, source checkouts as in svn or 0.20-fixes <spiderworm> both, probably :) <Xenocide> hey hey everyone <superm1> spiderworm, well once you introduce a machine running svn into your network, expect troubles for all non-svn machines <superm1> especially if you use a common database <spiderworm> superm1: at this point, only one machine is running mythfrontend <superm1> well moreover, once you go svn - dont expect to be able to go back <superm1> hey Xenocide <Xenocide> hey <Xenocide> bout to bounce, gonna get food before physics class <spiderworm> im more concerned about building when there are libraries from .deb packages on the system <superm1> spiderworm, well the most intelligent thing to do here, would be start building your source packages into debs <superm1> that way you can easily manage both <superm1> and switch quickly between the two <superm1> if need be <spiderworm> i should learn to do that huh <spiderworm> i'll give that a roll <superm1> spiderworm, its unfortunately a bit involved at first <superm1> i have a post on the forums outlining the basic process <jetsaredi1> superm1: that bug seems sorta like what I'm seeing <jetsaredi1> though in my case the 800.716.0984 is the nameserver on my local subnet <superm1> jetsaredi1, there is a few hacks in there that you might be able to get by using hopefully <jetsaredi1> i just wrote a little script that copies over the resolv.conf with the version for my vpn <superm1> over and over? <jetsaredi1> yep <jetsaredi1> brute force, baby <superm1> a bit of a dirty hack, but functional i guess :) <jetsaredi1> yea <jetsaredi1> at this point I'm just fed up with dealing with it <jetsaredi1> it wouldn't be so bad <jetsaredi1> I used to just remove dhcp3 and install dhcpcd <jetsaredi1> which isn't as invasive <superm1> ah <jetsaredi1> but for some reason the network-manager app needs dhcp3 <jetsaredi1> I tried removing it, but I end up getting errors when I open konsole or things like that <superm1> wow thats bizarre <jetsaredi1> yea <superm1> looks to have worked :) <superm1> jetsaredi1, i'll catch up with you later more on ubiquity <superm1> gotta run <jetsaredi1> k <Xenocide^> wifi is so flaky #ubuntu-mythtv 2007-03-27 <williammanda> anyone awake? <williammanda> question or problem.... <williammanda> i added a new backend and removed another.... <williammanda> both were slaves.... <williammanda> on the console for the master backend .... <williammanda> it is trying to get rid of the programs that were on the slave unit that was removed... <williammanda> how can i fix this? <williammanda> also...this should be related.... <williammanda> under system status.... <williammanda> it still shows a tuner for the slave backend that was removed...says tuner 4 unavaiable <williammanda> how can I get rid of tuner 4? <williammanda> Another question...if the master backend or any backend gets low on hard drive space... <williammanda> will myth store the movie where ever space is avaiable...any backend unit? <keescook> superm1: so, what do you think about for solutions to bug 41339? I ran into this myself when installing it clean too. <ubotu> Malone bug 41339 in mythtv "Mythtv won't install" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41339 <Xenocide> that was weird my backend just crashed <Jon_yoosic> Hi. I have some video encoding questions specifically regarding AcidRip and Google Video, is this a good place to ask or do you guys know a more specific channel I should check in? <spiderworm> can anyone tell me how to use my mouse with mythtv? <spiderworm> i heard mouse support has been included now? <spiderworm> nm found it <superm1> keescook, i'm going to try a clean install right now. i'm installing a brand new feisty vm <superm1> keescook, i'll do it with the "mythtv" metapackage and see what happens * majoridiot finally sussed the WOL snafu <majoridiot> edgy has old, buggy network drivers for nforce3... fixed in feisty * majoridiot guesses he will build the backend feisty box sooner than he thought <superm1> majoridiot, some bugs cropped up in feisty that i'm taking care of. might want to hold off a little <majoridiot> ? <superm1> a bunch got reported tonite <majoridiot> figures. <majoridiot> just when i was going to setup a proper FE/BE... hook it to the rarely used tv and everything. <superm1> well you can, the big one just requires msttcorefonts installed <majoridiot> wha happened? <superm1> well i dropped it from dependencies the other day because the themes i looked at weren't using it <superm1> but apparently gant and a few others do <majoridiot> ah <majoridiot> that's the biggest prob? <superm1> well that and apparently the "mythtv" package isnt working anymore <superm1> it caused a few failed installs <superm1> bug 41339 <ubotu> Malone bug 41339 in mythtv "Mythtv won't install" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41339 <majoridiot> odd. <superm1> for both keescook and a few that commented on the bug <superm1> i am installing a vm right now to see if it happens to me <majoridiot> did something change in the last week? <majoridiot> went in like a DREAM for me. <superm1> well have you used "mythtv" metapackage <superm1> or others only? <majoridiot> yes <majoridiot> specifically for the FEBEdesk <majoridiot> i almost creamed myself it was so swwet. <superm1> okay welll thats reassuring <majoridiot> not a rodriguezcrystal@example.org. <superm1> trying as we speak <majoridiot> i will too. <majoridiot> the desktop metapack, right? <superm1> the metapack called mythtv <superm1> yes <majoridiot> hm. <majoridiot> ok... installing a fresh desktop <superm1> hm it appears that a few tables dont exist for me <superm1> mythconverg.keybindings <superm1> and a few others <superm1> its failing database schema upgrades... <superm1> hm <superm1> it appears to have worked when i did it by hand, mysql-server-5.0 followed by mythtv-database <majoridiot> so the metapack failed for you? <superm1> yes <superm1> i'm not sure if it was a fluke of the package or somehting else <superm1> i'm redoing once more <majoridiot> hm. <superm1> hm wtf. went fine this time <majoridiot> hehe <majoridiot> my desktop is almost done... i'll update and then try the metapack <superm1> k * majoridiot disagrees with t. smith's assessment of "root confusion" <superm1> root confusion? <majoridiot> that the prompt on the metpack is confusing... user root or mysql root <majoridiot> it explicitly states mysql administrator <superm1> oh from but 41339 <superm1> * bug 41339 <ubotu> Malone bug 41339 in mythtv "Mythtv won't install" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41339 <superm1> i was just rereading it again <majoridiot> ok... i'm updating everything but openoffice after a fresh install herd 5 desktop. <superm1> k <superm1> i'm going to redo it for the third time just to make sure <superm1> so what really happens when you put in a bad password to that mysql dialog? <superm1> something bad? <majoridiot> yes <superm1> irreversible? <superm1> or no <majoridiot> actually... <majoridiot> in the prompt for msql admin? <majoridiot> um... sorry. <superm1> yes <majoridiot> misunderstood. i couldn't tell you. i never did it. <superm1> okay after this third try, i'll purge and try that <superm1> okay that first time must have just been a fluke for me <superm1> the package does fine <superm1> lets see what happens when you give a bad root password for mysql then <majoridiot> you want me to? <superm1> try the functional install first <superm1> like i did to verify that this package really does do it fine <superm1> installing mysl-server etal <majoridiot> k <superm1> seriously that dialog for mythtv-database. "Unless you have explicitly changed the password on the MySQL server, leave this blank" <superm1> what more can someone want out of that?? <majoridiot> no prompt at all? <majoridiot> LOL <superm1> and then what if you *have* changed the mysql password <superm1> then you can't install the package <majoridiot> you mean in a previously existing mysql installation? <superm1> right <majoridiot> hm <majoridiot> if you enter the correct existing pw you should. no? <superm1> if you enter the correct password on an existing install, things should work <majoridiot> yes <majoridiot> and if there is no root pw on an existing install or it is a new install it should work too <superm1> which it does <superm1> okay so here is the chain of events if you put the wrong root password: <majoridiot> ok... FULLY updated, minus OO <majoridiot> checked... no mysql <superm1> you try to start mythtv-setup and get errors with connecting to the database <superm1> duh, :) <majoridiot> installing mythtv metapackage <superm1> asked to check settings <superm1> and it still doesnt work <superm1> so you do dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database <superm1> and cant connect to the dtabase still <superm1> because it wasnt properly installed the first time <superm1> thats what happens to people <majoridiot> not bothering to read <majoridiot> or follow instructions <majoridiot> the other thing that gets them <superm1> yea <majoridiot> is they either do not add their user to mythtv group, or they do not log out if they do <majoridiot> in that case... <majoridiot> mythtv-setup spits database errors bigtime <majoridiot> and then the group fix won't help, because .mythtv was not created <superm1> well with the wrapper scripts, you have to be pretty silly to ignore the big warning <superm1> okay so here is my end conclusion: <superm1> you mess up and put the wrong root password in during mythtv-database, the only solution is to purge the package and redo it <superm1> no need to reset passwords <superm1> or anything like that <majoridiot> hm. feisty crashed and locked on logout. <superm1> well thats feisty's fault not mythtv's ;) <majoridiot> 100% success <majoridiot> other than the logout crash. as scripted. <majoridiot> except no fonts. <superm1> (msttcorefonts) <majoridiot> yeah <majoridiot> ;) <superm1> its because a bunch of those apparently depend on arial <superm1> which is in msttcorefonts <superm1> silly if you ask me <majoridiot> no main menu <majoridiot> hehe <majoridiot> is that for all the myth packages? <majoridiot> k <majoridiot> do i need to screw up the install now? <superm1> yes <majoridiot> k <majoridiot> purge mythtv? <superm1> well i think we need a logical solution to this mysql problem <superm1> perhaps calling dpkg-reconfigure mysql during mythtv installation? <superm1> so that you SET your mysql password <superm1> rather then ask the current one? <majoridiot> do you want mythtv uninstalled pr purged before the re-install? <superm1> purged <majoridiot> k <majoridiot> one can't purge a metapackage the same as it is installed? <majoridiot> all it did was purge mythtv. all 65K of the metapack. <superm1> then autoremove --purge <superm1> will get the rest <superm1> okay so thinking of this a little further: <superm1> if the dialog is gone <superm1> asking for the password, then it ruins the package completely if the *do* have a passowrd <superm1> because you cant enter it later <majoridiot> correct <majoridiot> i think the point is... <majoridiot> there is only so much idiot-proofing one can do <majoridiot> if they READ and follow directions, it works every time. <majoridiot> you have to expect some measure of basic competency <majoridiot> no? <majoridiot> ok... purged. screw up the mysql this time, right? <superm1> right <majoridiot> ok... one complaint <majoridiot> the second dialog STILL says to run setup as the mythtv user <majoridiot> which one can not do <majoridiot> that dialog needs changed to run from a member of the group mythtv <majoridiot> or add yourself, etc. <superm1> i didnt correct that? <superm1> you sure <superm1> maybe its only in bzr i fixed it <superm1> let me double check and make sure <majoridiot> i just sat and rodriguezcrystal@example.org. <majoridiot> cursing you quietly <superm1> (well make sure its in bzr) <majoridiot> hehe <majoridiot> ok... screwed up the pw <majoridiot> db error galore, of course. <superm1> so see if there is anyway you can find to recover without changing passwords <superm1> and such <superm1> i dont think there is <majoridiot> without changing any passwords at all? <majoridiot> ok <superm1> because you and i both know that the passwords set are still right <superm1> and you shouldnt need to log into mysql to solve this <superm1> okay i updated the templates to reflect that info <superm1> about mythtv-group <majoridiot> :) <majoridiot> ty <majoridiot> well, i've wasted all the time i want to for now... <majoridiot> without changing pw, no way around immediately apparent <superm1> okay <superm1> thats what i was thinking <majoridiot> in summary, follow the damn directions. <superm1> well we need to think up some vooodoo to do for these packages scripts i think <superm1> that might help this <superm1> i'm going to keep thinking about it <majoridiot> how about some SIMPLE voodoo... <majoridiot> i popup at the front <superm1> maybe a checkbox, have you changed your mysql password? <majoridiot> with a link to the guides. a link in the description with a firm suggestion to visit the guides before installing would be good too. <superm1> hm link to the guides <superm1> like a popup, you should visit here first? <majoridiot> yes <superm1> i'll have to ask keescook if doing something like that is acceptable in a package <superm1> i'm not entirely sure <majoridiot> maybe *really* explicitly state that one just can't install without reading anf following directions. <majoridiot> it's the reverse windoze syndrome... <majoridiot> instead of blindly clicking ok, like in win, they get conditioned to enter their password anytime they see the word password. <majoridiot> regardless of the context. <majoridiot> If you have an *existing * installation of mysql database with a root password, enter it here. OTHERWISE PLEASE JUST PRESS ENTER!!! <majoridiot> (think they might get that one?) <majoridiot> lol <superm1> well i really want the packages to be user dumb enough that they can get by without docs, but go to the docs if there is trouble <majoridiot> ok... <superm1> does that make sense? <majoridiot> yes <superm1> i mean as much as i want people to read the docs to start <majoridiot> so... <superm1> you and i both know that there are lots of people that wont <majoridiot> if there is an existing mysql when you install mythtv meta... (unlikely, but possible) <majoridiot> there is an easy way to check that, no? <superm1> hm i'm not sure <majoridiot> if !mysql, then skip the root prompt entirely <majoridiot> if mysql, then a carefully phrased prompt <majoridiot> like the one above LOL <superm1> well how about this - <superm1> it tries to connect with no password first <superm1> and then if it can't then it asks? <superm1> that way it doesnt matter at what point you installed mysql <majoridiot> absolutely <superm1> only if you secured it <majoridiot> and if it aint secure, then who cares. <majoridiot> pillage it with some mythconverg <majoridiot> all unwillingly and stuff. <majoridiot> best solution. good thinking. <superm1> and you know i think that would seriously cover all corners that we have had password troubles this last release <majoridiot> yup <majoridiot> the only way it could fail is if the forget their existing mqsql root pw <majoridiot> and you can't guard against that, <superm1> well thats not our problem <superm1> it better not be :) <majoridiot> just wait... it WILL be. <majoridiot> LOL <majoridiot> Re: Why can't mythtv remember mysql password? <superm1> where is this from? <majoridiot> sarcasm <majoridiot> ;) <superm1> hehe <superm1> its getting a wee bit late on my part here, and i still have to turn in a paper <superm1> crap forgot to do that a few hours ago <majoridiot> holy crap... i gotta be up in les than 6 hrs. <majoridiot> lol <majoridiot> i'm out. ttyl <superm1> okay later dude <Xenocide> rise and shine everyone <superm1> morn Xenocide <superm1> hey Daviey <Xenocide> how you doin superm1 <superm1> Xenocide, a bit tired this morning. i dont exactly remember when i fell asleep last night <superm1> my laptop was on the floor next to me <superm1> and i was on the couch this morning <superm1> woke up 20 min late and was 20 min late for class <superm1> and of course my paper wasn't turned in at 11 like it was supposed to be.... <Xenocide> nice nice <Xenocide> im stuck in electrical engineering, doing....nothing hes explaning how to use excel * gardengnome was 70 minutes too late for class. ;) <superm1> Xenocide, it appears that you figured out dynamic ssh forwarding <superm1> work well? <Xenocide> works fine <Xenocide> kept dropping my connection last night but it is because i get horrible signal in my physics lecture hall <superm1> its also very useful if you are somewhere that you are worried about your password to a non ssl site being sniffed <Xenocide> is it actually secure? <superm1> i installed MM3-Proxy for FF, and whenever I come to such a site and i'm on campus, i hit the enable proxy button, browse etc, and then come back <superm1> well everything is encrypted in the SSH tunnel to your place <superm1> so your no more secure then browsing from your appt <Xenocide> hm <superm1> but that is for sure a significant improvement over sending passwords in clear text over the campus wifi <Xenocide> yea <Xenocide> they give us such horrible wifi <Xenocide> atleast they raised the speed to 30kbps last week <Xenocide> before that it was5 <Xenocide> 15 <superm1> i cant believe they cap you guys <Xenocide> they lock everything down here <superm1> here i am getting 1300 kb/s as i'm downloading feisty updates <Xenocide> im so jealous <Xenocide> that port would probabbly be blocked for us <Xenocide> all we have is outgoing port 80 <Xenocide> i can't even get my pop email <superm1> well updates are downloaded via http <superm1> so still port 80 <superm1> you can get your email through dynamic ssh as long as your mail client supports a socks proxy <Xenocide> right <Xenocide> but i shouldnt' have to do that :-P <superm1> agreed <superm1> so right now, i'm attempting to sort out bug 41339 <Xenocide> i don't know how you guys do email at iowa but we have exchange servers, but students don't get access to them with exchange protocol, ONLY webmail or crappy imap <ubotu> Malone bug 41339 in mythtv "Mythtv won't install" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41339 <Xenocide> that bot is actualy useful... <superm1> haha <superm1> well i'm wondering if you guys have a better idea to solve the problem <superm1> then what i'm seeing the feasability rihgt now <Xenocide> not even loading for me <superm1> beta.launchpad.net is slow lately <superm1> give it a moment <superm1> oh wait are you on beta.launchpad.net? <superm1> or regular <Xenocide> regular <Xenocide> the one the bot linked to <superm1> ah <Xenocide> just got it to load <Xenocide> let me read it <superm1> k <superm1> Xenocide, oh we have pop3 with kerberos, annoying as shit. either that or crappy webmail. i dont bother with either - just forward to gmail and call it a day <Xenocide> we can't even forward <Xenocide> so this is a mythtv -- mysql problem <superm1> oh we just need to make a .forward in our home directory <superm1> with the email address to send to <superm1> and it works for us <superm1> but you have to go to a unix/linux machine on campus to do it since you cant make files start with a . in windows <superm1> Xenocide, yes <superm1> Xenocide, it boils down to if you put the wrong password when mythtv-database requests the root password, all hell breaks loose <Xenocide> maybe my problem was related, but everytime in installed, i had to change my mysql password as well <Xenocide> i just hit enter <Xenocide> and it never worked <Xenocide> i always had to reset the password manually <superm1> you should never have to do that <Xenocide> i had to on every install i made recently <Xenocide> because mythtv-setup would always error out <superm1> then you have been doing something wrong in here <superm1> either not adding to the group <superm1> not logging out <superm1> or something like that <Xenocide> maybe not logging out <superm1> feisty won't let you run mythtv-setup until you log out and back in after adding to the group <superm1> well unless you click through a few big warnings telling you that you need to know what your doing * gardengnome remembers his promise to update the channel faq ;) <Xenocide> lol <gardengnome> i love how the topic of #mythtv-users has "http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/" in it. <gardengnome> :) <superm1> haha <superm1> wow <gardengnome> "wow"? i wish more people would consider such a thing. :) <superm1> okay class is up <superm1> later guys <gardengnome> call me elitist ;) <gardengnome> later superm1 <superm1> jetsaredim, hey <jetsaredim> yo <superm1> so your ubiquity changes working again now that your on feisty? <jetsaredim> didn't get a chance to try them yet <jetsaredim> unfortunately <jetsaredim> probably tonight after dinner <jetsaredim> (at work now) <superm1> ah okay <superm1> whats your lp account? i'll add you to the team so you can commit changes <jetsaredim> JaredGreenwald <jetsaredim> I think <jetsaredim> how do I tell? <superm1> no doesnt seem to work <jetsaredim> try greenwaldjared <superm1> k <superm1> there ya go <superm1> okay so you can now commit changes <jetsaredim> ok cool <Xenocide> superm1 just got that card replaced, they charged me $70 for an advance rma that i better get back once they get my card, i hate when they do th at <Xenocide> should be here thursday <superm1> thats great <Xenocide> watch it not work again LOL <superm1> well cross your fingers i guess <Xenocide> have you used crossover office? <superm1> a few times on campus <superm1> but not on any of my machines <Xenocide> work well? <superm1> yea it did <superm1> i dont think it will run office 07 for you though <Xenocide> yea i know, prepared to use 03 <superm1> i think crossover offers trials so you can see how it works prior to purchase <Xenocide> hm <superm1> k gotta run again. <superm1> bbl #ubuntu-mythtv 2007-03-28 <williammanda> i figured out my database problem..... <williammanda> the masterbackend still has some program info from a slave backend in removed <williammanda> the programs no longer exist...but the database still has the info <williammanda> how can i get rid of the old program info? <williammanda> crap i can't type tonight....to much drugs :) <williammanda> the masterbackend still has some program info from a slave backend I removed <williammanda> thats better! <williammanda> . <Xenocide> superm1 for mythvideo and other plugins do i set those all up through the frontend? * majoridiot wonders if anyone happens to be running a radeon 9600 tv-out <Xenocide> im running an x300 <Xenocide> stll an ati card <majoridiot> trying to config for a monitor and a tv out... <Xenocide> hm <Xenocide> i never had to configure anything <majoridiot> two diff. resolutions- tv for myth of course <Xenocide> did you cold boot with svideo attached? <Xenocide> oh i haven't tried it with both attached <majoridiot> composite <majoridiot> old tv, no svideo <Xenocide> h <Xenocide> getting any output? <majoridiot> yeah... i can just set the res to 640x480 60 hz <majoridiot> and it clones the desktop to the tv <majoridiot> which works ok <Xenocide> but you want a diff resolution on monitor <majoridiot> but not what i want <Xenocide> i was never able to do that with my x1600 on my laptop <Xenocide> i tried <majoridiot> i've found some xorg.confs which claim to work... and they do, but the frontend crashes immediately <majoridiot> fp error. core dump. <Xenocide> hm no clue <majoridiot> eh... it works well enough, and is a lark, really. i never watch tv in the licingroom anyway. <majoridiot> LOL @ licingroom <majoridiot> should be de-licing room. <majoridiot> i'll wait and see if the restricted manager does a better job in feisty. <Xenocide> hey majoridiot is the mythvideo preferences in the frontend <Xenocide> *are <williammanda> i figured out my database problem..... <williammanda> the masterbackend still has some program info from a slave backend I removed <williammanda> the programs no longer exist...but the database still has the info <williammanda> how can i get rid of the old program info? <parag0n__> hey guys, does anyone have any recommendations for DVB-T cards for use with ubuntu & mythtv? <williammanda> http://www.dvico.com/default_e.asp <williammanda> look here too <williammanda> http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_devices <parag0n__> thanks :) <majoridiot> setup >> media settings >> videos settings <majoridiot> you should be able to fix your database with phpmyadmin, williammanda <williammanda> setup >> media settings >> videos settings...i don't have this <majoridiot> you installed it on the frontend, right? <williammanda> i repaired and optimized both mysql & mythconver databases <williammanda> i have 3 frontends installed <majoridiot> sorry... that setup post was meant for xen. <majoridiot> not familiar with your problem, williammanda... what are the missing video causing to go wrong? <williammanda> apparently the database still has video programs from a slave backend that i have removed <majoridiot> yes. and? <williammanda> not the actual programs but the info for them in the database <majoridiot> yes <majoridiot> what is the gripe? <majoridiot> do you show blank records in the library of what? <majoridiot> or <williammanda> i would like to get rid of the programs from showing up each time <majoridiot> showing up where? <majoridiot> i understand what has happened... just not what your complaint is. symptoms? etc. <williammanda> all the shows that are not really there are still showing up when i go to watch recorded shows <majoridiot> ah <majoridiot> ok <majoridiot> that happened to me once <williammanda> also I have the old tuner still showing when i goto info center - system status - tuners <majoridiot> you should be able to delete the old tuner in backend setup <majoridiot> as for the video problem... <majoridiot> i intentionally tried to play every one of the missing videos one after another... <williammanda> i setup the tuner in the mythtv-setup that is gone now....i'm not following you <majoridiot> and then too the error messages from the backend log... <majoridiot> to get the filenames it was looking for... <majoridiot> created dummy files with a script... <majoridiot> and then just deleted them with the frontend. <williammanda> if i create a tuner on a slave backend.....the info gets stored in the database... <majoridiot> sorry... distracted <majoridiot> anyway, the unwanted tuner should
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