#ubuntu-mozillateam 2007-07-01 <asac> yeah ... this g_thread_init thing is unreasonable <asac> mozilla doesn't use g_thread library at all <asac> mozillais probably willing to patch it if we come up with a patch :) <asac> gnomefreak: there is no upstream report for it because we are using bleeding edge glib ... which noone else does <asac> btw, does pressing F11 in gnome terminal bring it to full screen for you? <asac> it always did ... but now i returned home and it doesn't work anymore <asac> something really wierd is going on here <asac> gaim has disappeared from menu as well <asac> i mean before i left it always booted up on X startup ... together with gajim <asac> now gaim isn't in menu anymore <asac> system -> about ubuntu disappeared as well <asac> i just have about gnome <asac> gaim is really uninstalled :/ <asac> hmmm maybe it happened when i tried to install out firefox package here in feisty <asac> hmm <asac> maybe time to upgrade to gutsy ;) <asac> FUCKED: asac's main desktop <gnomefreak> yes F11 gives me full screen and than back to normal <gnomefreak> asac: gaim? pideon? <gnomefreak> ah your still on feisty yes gaim would have been uninstalled about ubuntu should not have been touched <gnomefreak> if it was touched than there is an issue (btw i pulled firefox out of repos well atleast source and 32bit. i will check 64 in a minute <gnomefreak> nope its not in 64 binary <asac> all was broken <asac> i had to install ubuntu-desktop <asac> and reboot <gnomefreak> hmm thats odd <asac> now things are as usual <asac> yeah <asac> when i installed ubuntu-desktop network-manager came up <asac> and tear down my desktop network <asac> i couldn't even reboot <gnomefreak> ouch <asac> hat to hard reset <gnomefreak> wth * asac still wonders where the keybindings had gone <asac> now i can just press f11 to get terminal to fullscreen <asac> e.g. for irssi and mutt <gnomefreak> keybindings are with -desktop no? <asac> i couldn't even open a new terminal tab with ctrl-T <gnomefreak> well would have to be a different package <asac> aeh ctrl-shift-t that is <asac> what the keybinding for gnome-termainL? <asac> never had that problem before ... anyway ... troubles are gone ;) <gnomefreak> yes they should be in g-term settings i thought <asac> maybe gconf was down or something <asac> no idea <gnomefreak> that is possible <gnomefreak> we just had some tool-chain updates but that shouldnt have affected it or you if your on feisty <asac> hope there was no tool-chain update in feisty ;) <gnomefreak> :) <asac> k ... tomorrow i will start to code mobile-browser of future <asac> :) <gnomefreak> mozilla doesnt use g_thread? <asac> no they don't <gnomefreak> ummmmm <asac> they have their own threading system <gnomefreak> that might explain why we have errors it should call that first and its not calling it :)\ <asac> why should i link against a new library? <asac> i mean ... ok if i use glib thread features then fine <asac> but we don't use them <gnomefreak> we dont use glib at all? <gnomefreak> well the theads <asac> we use glib ... but not gthread <gnomefreak> oh ok <asac> which is a different library <gnomefreak> we cant patch something we dont use <gnomefreak> that would mean using it or "hiding" things <asac> asac@hector:~$ pkg-config --list-all | egrep 'gthread|glib' <gnomefreak> example: one patch can be "dont show glib warning" <asac> glib-2.0 GLib - C Utility Library <asac> gthread-2.0 GThread - Thread support for GLib <asac> gnomefreak: the warning doesn't harm <asac> as long as we don't see crashes because of that <asac> and afaik we don't see them <gnomefreak> asac: no but it causing extra bugs that we shouldnt have <asac> i don't see that <asac> i would refer those extra bugs to the general instability of glib development trunk <asac> ... which we use <asac> atm <gnomefreak> i saw atleast one so far. when more people use it more will file <asac> bugs posted != bugs exist <gnomefreak> you must not have read same bug report on glib as me <asac> the fact that people post a bug because of that warning shouldn't bother us <asac> yeah ... other applications are definitly hit <asac> e.g. those that use gthread ;) <gnomefreak> i can mark as a dupe but almost 100% sure it will be removed as dupe <asac> please get concrete ... which bugs? <gnomefreak> bug 121277 <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121277 in firefox "gusty firefox memory corruption warning" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121277 <asac> gnomefreak: atm most important bug in glib is that memory management is broken <gnomefreak> bug 50722 <ubotu> Launchpad bug 50722 in glibc "Memory problems on pthread_cancel()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50722 <gnomefreak> oh wait no <gnomefreak> bug 116870 <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116870 in glib2.0 "[gutsy] GSlice: g_thread_init() Warning messages" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116870 <gnomefreak> sorry <asac> yes ... exactly ... that bug looks related to broken memory management ... not gthread <gnomefreak> 50722 was a mistake <asac> same for that one <gnomefreak> 116870 is the one i would dupe 121277 <asac> people that post the bug always think that its the warning that is the reason for that <asac> in fact its broken memory managment ... aka gslice <asac> which is not really related imo <gnomefreak> but it looks as if they are reporting due to warning <gnomefreak> warning == same <gnomefreak> * Installing 1 assembly from libndesk-dbus1.0-cil into Mono im not real sure about <gnomefreak> warnings shouldnt install things <asac> hmm <asac> yeah <asac> its all glib fault <asac> should be non of our business <gnomefreak> our packages throw same errors - installing part of it <asac> its not an error but a warning after all :) <gnomefreak> i agree 100% we should ignore them but once gutsy gets to where more people test more warning bugs will arise adn that is what i want to stop before it happens <asac> ah ok <asac> we can auto-reject those ;) <gnomefreak> on what grounds? <asac> hjmf_ can probably implement that easily <gnomefreak> we dont use gthread <asac> yes <gnomefreak> lol <gnomefreak> oh they are gonna love that. <gnomefreak> :) <gnomefreak> screw it lets do it ;) <asac> we can redirect stderr to /dev/null in firefox start script :) <gnomefreak> that will hide the warnings <asac> yeah ... it will eat everything ;) <gnomefreak> true <asac> lets wait a bit more <asac> i hope that new glib version will bring more stability as new memory managment matures <asac> we can review in 2-3 weeks <gnomefreak> they already stated this wont be fixed on thier end (it is a new glib already <asac> the warning? <gnomefreak> yes <asac> or the memory management bugs? <gnomefreak> warning i know of for sure <asac> they will fix the memory management issues ... for sure <gnomefreak> btw small font isnt our issue either <gnomefreak> saw a bug on it it was one of gnome libs or gconf that causes it <asac> in my gutsy install i have really huge fonts ... but afaik its install dependent <gnomefreak> i have extreamly small ones <asac> yes its dpi detection that is broken <gnomefreak> yeah <gnomefreak> maybe i saw that in -devel <asac> you should be able to fix manually if you cannot work anymore <gnomefreak> anyway i saw it <asac> ... e.g. aask on -desktop <asac> but afaik the dpi bug has high prio atm <asac> so a fix should land soon <gnomefreak> yep <gnomefreak> we went to differnent dpi um maybe 75 iirc <asac> so you say that the ugly fonts in tbird that you saw are related to that? <gnomefreak> asac: yes i think so <asac> good <asac> thats perfect ;) <gnomefreak> once fixed ill tell you :) <asac> just tell me if it isn'*t fixed in tribe-3 <asac> as well :) <gnomefreak> ill let you know ;) no worries <asac> otherwise i won't see because for me all looks readable in gutsy <gnomefreak> monday and on im gonna concern myself with sunbird for most of it until fixed and we can upload <gnomefreak> than i have to worry if we should reject backporting it (i think we should) as we can use preview to host feisty backports <asac> in genreal i would say that we (mt) don't do any backports <asac> other than mt preview archive * asac doesn't know anything about how backports work <gnomefreak> i agree and im agreeing on the basis that we depend on way too many libs and stuff to backport <asac> but i think its more like a volunteer efford <gnomefreak> asac: ping jdong :) its always worked for me in past <gnomefreak> but i ping him and say i have it built lets go for it <asac> gnomefreak: yeah ... so redirect people requesting backports to him <asac> if he wants to do it ... so be it <asac> if he needs help he can always ask ;) <gnomefreak> theres a process to go through * gnomefreak gets to skip it <asac> only thing we might wanna do is backport 2.0 for dapper <asac> so we can test how upgrade would break system <gnomefreak> either way if backported we get the brunt of the crap anyway <asac> hehe <asac> right <gnomefreak> person builds it and forgets it <gnomefreak> all my packages are all over LP <asac> for me backport should be something like in debian <asac> ... there i don't have to care for it as well <gnomefreak> backports are not supported afaik <asac> right <asac> e.g. like universe <gnomefreak> the packages are well you got em you worry about them <asac> which is why someone else should take care <gnomefreak> IMNO the what 5-6 people that work on our team have enough crap to deal with <asac> right ... and adding more procedures to just get backports is not what we want <asac> we can use preview archive for that <gnomefreak> correct <gnomefreak> i like that better anyway <asac> there we need no procedures ... and its obvious that its completely unsupported <asac> ... e.g. provided outside ubuntu <gnomefreak> atleast we know and tested what goes in preview <asac> only tradeoff is that we don't have buildds * gnomefreak can spin anything you need on i386 i dont need buildds <asac> especially for architectures that noone has :) <gnomefreak> ok point taken <asac> maybe we should ask how the ppa thing works <asac> that should give us buildds ;) <gnomefreak> i was hoping in our post to forums someone would have said hey you need someone to build on ppc <gnomefreak> yeah right <gnomefreak> we need to be official at that point <asac> yes ... but in general, there are not many ppc people out there at all <gnomefreak> true <gnomefreak> less sparc i would think <gnomefreak> but either way we have 386 and 64 <gnomefreak> screw the rest <gnomefreak> maybe one day ill get a sparc or ppc (been wanting ppc for a long time) <asac> ppc is dying <asac> just looking at ebay <gnomefreak> yep they went to intel <asac> powerbooks are still ridiculous expensive <gnomefreak> yes they are <gnomefreak> 2000 USD + <gnomefreak> for new not sure about used <gnomefreak> well new g4's were around that <asac> Apple Powerbook 15" G4 1,67 GHz 1,5GB 80GB NEU <asac> -> $1k <asac> NEU -> NEW <gnomefreak> my aunt has a g3 desktop if they ever get rid of it i will get it <asac> but 20hours to go <gnomefreak> way too much <asac> oh damn ... g3 is really slow <asac> like 400 mhz ;) <gnomefreak> true <gnomefreak> it will build just very slowly <gnomefreak> :) <gnomefreak> i wanted a ppc cause i never got the hang of OSX <gnomefreak> wanted something to play with than install ubuntu on it ;) <gnomefreak> but as of feisty our ppc ISO's are in ports <asac> Apple PowerBook G4 12" <asac> that might be interesting <gnomefreak> 12" <asac> 1,5 GHz PowerPC G4 <gnomefreak> thats a bit small <gnomefreak> 1.5 is nice <asac> actually i consider to get a new notebook with 12'' <gnomefreak> why so small? <asac> because battery will last much longer <asac> (at least i hope so) <gnomefreak> ah <gnomefreak> not on a mac <asac> i want something that i can use for 8 hours or so <asac> yeah ... looked at dell <asac> the one i was looking for was 1350 EUR <asac> so about $1800 ? <gnomefreak> about that <asac> no idea what exchange rate is <gnomefreak> maybe a bit more <asac> atm <asac> ... pretty expensive though <asac> but it has duo core <gnomefreak> yes very <asac> and 2gb memorey <asac> and extended battery <asac> unfortunately win XP <asac> without option top drop that crap <asac> gnomefreak: have you looked if the dell us systems with ubuntu come with discount vs. windows install? <gnomefreak> 100 USD give or take <asac> discount? <asac> cool <gnomefreak> 1 350 Euros = 1 818.855 U.S. dollars <asac> thats great <asac> i cannot get something like that over here <asac> e.g. without windows :/ <gnomefreak> they are about $400 USD for the laptop with ubuntu * gnomefreak has already seen installing issues on those <gnomefreak> it was the same model but with windows installed trying to install ubuntu <asac> so no discount? <gnomefreak> e1505 i think is the model with ubuntu 1505 is windows <gnomefreak> 100 dollars differnece from win to ubuntu <asac> but win installed in the beginning? <asac> or do you mean if you want to install ubuntu on your own <asac> there are install issues? <gnomefreak> yes <asac> e.g. on original windows system <asac> ah ok <gnomefreak> right <asac> now dell offeres a 13,3'' notebook <gnomefreak> e1505 * gnomefreak waits <gnomefreak> 20:04 <ubotu> Error: Could not parse XML returned by Ubuntu: not well-formed (invalid token): line 321, column 84 <asac> hmmm there was an advertisement on their site <asac> but i cannot find the produkt :(/ <asac> OS: "Original Windows Vista Home Premium (32 Bit) - Deutsch" <asac> argh <asac> i hate german things (deutsch) <asac> and i hate vista <asac> i cannot even get a laptop with US keyboard layout here <asac> its just depressing <asac> i will sue germany for not getting a good keyboard layout that doesn't break my wrists <asac> ... for programmers <gnomefreak> asac: order one from US :) <asac> i can't <asac> dell doesn't allow me to get to their us site <asac> the world is just too ignorant for me <gnomefreak> ah <asac> yeah ... i even get "Microsoft Works 8.5 - Deutsch" <asac> :) <asac> most sucky thing in the world <gnomefreak> 8.5 <gnomefreak> i think we have only 8.0 or 9.0 or 7.0 <gnomefreak> i dont think we have .5 <asac> and of course : "Interne leichte Tastatur - Deutsch (QWERTZ)" <asac> "internal light keyboard - german" <gnomefreak> sweet <gnomefreak> i want one <asac> note that its "internal" :-P <gnomefreak> i know :) <asac> most noteworthy <asac> but hey they get a clue: "Ohne Modem" - "without modem" :) <asac> wow <asac> and they find it sad that i didn't select a "biometrisches Fingerabdruck-Lesegert" - "biometrical fingerprint reader" <asac> how unfortunate <asac> :) <gnomefreak> you do know its 2am in germany (where you are) <asac> sure <asac> i slept till 1200 :) <gnomefreak> if you shop dont blame me when GF asks wtf you were shopping for <asac> hehe <asac> ;) <asac> i won't shop * gnomefreak needs a new pc one of these days <asac> i don't give people my money that are doing monkey business <asac> fortunately you can buy parts ... and its not much more expensive than a ready to use pc <asac> for laptops you cannot do taht <gnomefreak> for this desktop i cant buy memory for it <asac> i mean ... getting a board with a integrated intel video chip + memory + hd + prozessor -> done <gnomefreak> way way too much for pc800 <asac> yeah i know <gnomefreak> thats an idea if i knew how to put a MB in (but i can learn) <asac> its really simple <asac> if you don't mind to loose your current system you probably don't need a case <gnomefreak> bios better be installed than <asac> ASUS P5B-VM G965 <asac> is a good board ... which i plan to buy for my gf <gnomefreak> asus + ubuntu == bad i hear <asac> it has a recent intel graphics chip ... which can play 3d-games :) <asac> hmm <gnomefreak> model i dont know <gnomefreak> intels are getting good <asac> Intel GMA X3000, Intel Clear Video Technology <asac> thats the video chip i am looking for <asac> X3100 exists as well <gnomefreak> that has got to be nice since most of the are ~955 <asac> haven't found much desktop MB that have those new intel chips so far <asac> yeah ... i think X3xxx is a real step forward ... and has pretty great linux support * gnomefreak finds MB with nvidia chips <asac> and MB is pretty cheap <gnomefreak> and im scared of new 6600 > 7300 <gnomefreak> they also dont like to run in ubuntu <asac> if you want to get a board with on-board graphics use intel please <gnomefreak> or was it 6800 <asac> don't give money to people that are ignorant <asac> and don't open specs <gnomefreak> intel has free drivers dont they <asac> i think intel specs are not completely open either... but at leasat parts of it <asac> they have merged them to kernel tree <asac> e.g. so yes ... they are really free <gnomefreak> oh sweet <gnomefreak> thats an idea than <asac> which is why i won't go for on-board ati/nvidia <gnomefreak> nvidia has done me well for being less than 50.00 USD <asac> for the card ... or whole mb? <gnomefreak> card <asac> ah ok <asac> i think the board above is about 60 EUR <asac> you can get one with older intel graphics for 40 <gnomefreak> yeah its above 100 easy here <asac> hmm wierd .. i wouldn't expect the prices to really follow exchange rate * gnomefreak hates to have to buy a P4 + mem + MB though <asac> yeah ... but say you have 100 MB + 100 CPU + 150 MEM + 100 HD :) ... pretty cheap ;) <gnomefreak> P4 == 300+ <asac> P4? <gnomefreak> pentium 4 <asac> P4 doesn't exist anymore <asac> her <asac> e <gnomefreak> i have one <gnomefreak> what is it now celeron? <gnomefreak> or duo core <asac> AMD Athlon64 X2 3800+ EE <asac> Windsor 2x2.0GHz TRAY <asac> thats for 70 EUR <gnomefreak> thats not bad <asac> though you need a fan for that ... but boxed is probably 5-10 EUR more <gnomefreak> than a board to put it on <asac> Intel Celeron D331 2.66GHz BOX 256KB <asac> thats 30 EUR <asac> Intel Celeron D346 3.06GHz BOX 256KB <asac> thats 47 <gnomefreak> thats about 100 here i think <asac> Intel Core2 Duo E4300 2x1.8GHz TRAY 2MB <gnomefreak> maybe 70 <asac> thats 100 EUR <asac> core2 is pretty expensive <asac> don't know if its really worth it <asac> imo amd x2 are better in price <asac> maybe this one i interesting: <asac> Intel Pentium D805 2x2.66GHz BOX 2MB Dual Core <asac> 85 EUR <gnomefreak> 100EUR == 134.73 <gnomefreak> thats it <asac> yes <asac> atm :) <asac> wait another year and it will be 150 <asac> :) <gnomefreak> yeah no kidding <asac> it was 100EUR = 70 ... about 4 years ago <asac> but then came mr. bush <gnomefreak> it changes so often but that isnt the prices over here that is price if i went there <asac> taking in zillions of debts ;) <asac> i think U.S. took debt in one single year for war on terror that was about half of germany GDP <asac> but probably off topic ;) <asac> wow ... Intel Core2 Quad Extreme QX6800 4x2.93GHz TRAY -> 1.130 EUR <asac> aeh 1198 <asac> amazing <asac> anyway :) <gnomefreak> AMD Athlon 64 3800-X2 Socket-AM2 105.00 <gnomefreak> im gone for the night i need to get ready for bed 4am comes fast <asac> 4am? <asac> whats then? <gnomefreak> wake up time <asac> btw, i found us ubuntu site <asac> why so early? its sunday <gnomefreak> you did? <gnomefreak> laying sod <gnomefreak> unless it rains * asac looking what sod is <asac> oh ... sounds like hard work <gnomefreak> sorry <gnomefreak> grass <asac> yeah <gnomefreak> sod == precut grass <asac> no problem ... like to learn new words <asac> yeah ... like you can roll it out? <gnomefreak> yep <asac> i think there is a similar german word for it <asac> like gras-sohle <asac> sohle -> sod (somehow) <asac> but unsure <asac> ok .. then good night ... get some sleep <asac> cu tomorrow <asac> lets see if dell ships to germany <gnomefreak> cu tomorrow <asac> :) <gnomefreak> night <asac> hehe i think i will take "Flamingo Pink " color :) <asac> night <asac> they don't ship to germany :( <asac> ok out :/ <dimas__> hello #ubuntu-mozillateam 2007-07-02 * Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-mozillateam.log <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: i sent him email to come here since i didnt have your email handy <gnomefreak> asac: it failed same place same errors (just fyi) <asac> hmm <asac> k <gnomefreak> should we try with a new tarball if they released one? <asac> he? <asac> is it official that that tarball doesn't build or what? <gnomefreak> no <bluekuja> heya <bluekuja> asac: news? <asac> send <asac> bluekuja: ^^^ <asac> OoO <asac> ;) <bluekuja> :) <asac> lets see what happens <bluekuja> yea <bluekuja> asac: your mail rocks! <bluekuja> thanks a lot alex! :) <bluekuja> asac: ah <bluekuja> you forgot <bluekuja> to add motu-council <bluekuja> asac: so only gauvain will receive it <bluekuja> :D <asac> bluekuja: i have replied all <bluekuja> mmm <asac> otherwise gauvain hasn't send to mc <asac> either <bluekuja> it doesn't appear in archive <asac> bluekuja: its in CC <asac> so all ok <bluekuja> ah yup <asac> Cc: Andrea Veri <gregory37@example.net>, gregory37@example.net, gregory37@example.net, gregory37@example.net, gregory37@example.net, gregory37@example.net, gregory37@example.net <bluekuja> you're right <bluekuja> did not see it <bluekuja> yup <bluekuja> ;) <gnomefreak> should i be looking on MoM for merges? <bluekuja> mom or dad <bluekuja> better dad for now <bluekuja> so you can see if someone is already working on something <bluekuja> e.g you don't duplicate the work <bluekuja> gnomefreak, I'm leaving again for work <bluekuja> gonna be here later <bluekuja> so I can help you <bluekuja> :) <gnomefreak> wher eis dad? <bluekuja> http://dad.dunnewind.net/universe.php <gnomefreak> ty <bluekuja> np <bluekuja> :) <bluekuja> cya later! <asac> yeah ... ubuntu mobile builds :) <asac> aeh mobile browser i mean :) <gnomefreak> it seems i still have 2 outstanding merges :( <gnomefreak> asac: did you hear back on iceape-calendar from mike? <gnomefreak> asac: also seems there is a new version of nspluginwrapper <gnomefreak> thats odd <asac> gnomefreak: he? <asac> where is new nspluginwrapper? <gnomefreak> ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/n/nspluginwrapper/ <gnomefreak> im grabbing diffs and source atm <asac> what version? <asac> vs. what is our ? <gnomefreak> ours is .4-2 <gnomefreak> new is -3 <asac> so no new upstream <gnomefreak> no <asac> what does changelog say? <gnomefreak> new debian, im looking <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/113904 <gnomefreak> i can make these changes in our build change the version in changelog and poof done <gnomefreak> that wont work <gnomefreak> he added a symlink patch <asac> gnomefreak: gregory37@example.net <asac> take it from there if it already arrived and do the merge <asac> so you keep our changes <gnomefreak> i grabbed our source from repos <asac> gnomefreak: we have it in bzr <gnomefreak> yep there too <asac> k <asac> i am oout for lunch in a few <gnomefreak> should i just move the changes they made to our package? <asac> didn't have acigarette nor coffee ... and need to shop these now <asac> you have to merge them <gnomefreak> go have fun im still on coffee <asac> happy gnomefreak <gnomefreak> :) <asac> k lunch <gnomefreak> asac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nspluginwrapper/+bug/123533 let me know if it was done ok or wrong i tried following wiki and kind of hard (they shoot in all directions at one) <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123533 in nspluginwrapper "nspluginwrapper merge new debian version" [Undecided,In progress] <asac> gnomefreak: did you start from merges.ubuntu.com ? <gnomefreak> DaD <asac> he? <gnomefreak> its not on merges.ubuntu.com <asac> what does that mean? <gnomefreak> http://dad.dunnewind.net/universe.php <gnomefreak> its listed there <asac> you purged my changes ... wait till it arrives on merges <asac> if it ever will arrive <asac> ... but i hope so <gnomefreak> thought your changes were applied in debian when you last packaged it there <gnomefreak> the only other change from ubuntu was the patch and they applied that in debian <asac> i never pushed my changes to debian <asac> you can see in diff that my changelog entry was removed by your merge <asac> what is dad.dunnewind? <gnomefreak> ah shit <gnomefreak> dad tells you list of outstanding merges it reads from ftp.fr.debian.org <asac> why does it exist? <asac> i mean we have merges.ubuntu.com <gnomefreak> asac: theres MoM DaD and merges.ubuntu.com <asac> http://dad.dunnewind.net/nspluginwrapper/nspluginwrapper_156.14.161.142-2ubuntu2.patch <asac> those are mandatory to preserve <asac> according to changelog only <gnomefreak> asac: nspluginwrapper sould not show up on merges.ubuntu.com as it has been merged already <asac> nspluginwrapper-(930)970-5854.orig/utils/mkruntime.sh has been applied <asac> gnomefreak: no it hasn't ... there is new debian release <asac> so it should be there as well <asac> as updated merges <asac> anyway ... we don't really need that merge <asac> the package doesn't bring any substantial new for us <gnomefreak> k <asac> but if you want to merge you have to move our diff to a patch in debian/patches/ <asac> as debian now uses quild <asac> quilt <gnomefreak> MoM has a blacklist DaD doesnt reason why its not showing up on m.u.c <gnomefreak> it turns out it shouldnt be merged that is why its not on m.u.c <asac> hmm <asac> intersting <asac> gnomefreak: ok <asac> i accept that for now <asac> then just forget about dad :) <asac> in future <gnomefreak> k <gnomefreak> ty, if you want i can re-add your changes than debdiff it <asac> gnomefreak: just do the merge proper :) <asac> readding manually is not proper <asac> though it works :) <asac> don't ask me how proper is ;) <gnomefreak> lo <asac> maybe its indeed manually <gnomefreak> l <gnomefreak> me neither :( <asac> please figure out :) <asac> so you can teach me ;) <gnomefreak> k <asac> i found the documentation completely incomprehensible <gnomefreak> it is manually <gnomefreak> asac: it is hard as hell to follow <gnomefreak> thats how i ended up with what was attached to bug <asac> what steps did you do? <gnomefreak> ill grab bluekuja sometime this week and see if he can explain better (motu doestn seem to answer questions on some days) <asac> bluekuja: ^^^ <asac> please help! <gnomefreak> i used 2 of the merging pages but i missed your changes i thought they were debian changes <asac> but how did you miss them? <asac> i mean the merge procedure should automatically merge them or bring you conflicts <gnomefreak> still waking up <gnomefreak> at that time atleast <asac> gnomefreak: can you redo? <gnomefreak> asac: not likely <asac> and run script? <asac> so i can see what you did? <gnomefreak> asac: i can try, there is no script for merges other than to help with bug reporting and grabbing sources <gnomefreak> i think since ubuntu changes you made were not in debian i have to ask for a sync unless i can do them myself <asac> he? <asac> thats nonsense <asac> merging is about changes we have that debian hasn't <gnomefreak> i know unless it was changed recently that is how it was done <gnomefreak> used to be someone maybe motu or core would sync the 2 to add ubuntu changes or drop ubuntu changes <asac> i think you don't understand <asac> there should be no problem <asac> if you follow merge procedure with dad <asac> i looked at the .patch file and it has our changes <asac> unless i really get something wrong <gnomefreak> none of these links tell you anything about dad <gnomefreak> and the merge isnt on MoM and as i understand it wont be <asac> hmm ... can't use ask how to do a merge from dad? <asac> s/use/you/ <gnomefreak> i grabbed the source from ftp.fr.debian.... and apt-get ours <gnomefreak> asac: i asked i didnt get an answer <gnomefreak> thats way i said ^^ up there they dont answer questions on some days <asac> gnomefreak: your question asked something trivial: if they added our changes ... but they didn't <asac> they just took parts of our changes <asac> not all <gnomefreak> oh this script works really good :( <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@GutsyGibbon:~/merges$ sh grab-merge.sh <gnomefreak> Sure you want to delete all the files in /home/gnomefreak/merges [yn] ? y <gnomefreak> so much for that idea * gnomefreak goes for smoke i may end up waiting for bluekuja <asac> gnomefreak: that is right <asac> you have to move the grag-merge.sh somewhere else <asac> otherwise you will always whipe it <asac> then you have to say <asac> sh grab-merge.sh nspluginwrapper <gnomefreak> asac: it wasnt grabbing sources like it should <gnomefreak> it uses mom not dad <asac> yeah <asac> look into that script <asac> should be easy to change <asac> name it grab-merge-dad.sh <gnomefreak> theres one for dad :) <asac> yeah <asac> use that <gnomefreak> lol <gnomefreak> this almost looks too easy * gnomefreak doesnt think its gonna do what i want but gonna try anyway <gnomefreak> nope they just build it <gnomefreak> seems the only conflict is debian/control <asac> yeah ... you probably have to eliminate the change that was moved to debian/patches <asac> just look at the debdiff <gnomefreak> looking at report <asac> actually the build should fail <asac> because the new patch in debian/patches doesn't apply <gnomefreak> only conflict that couldnt be fixe was control file <asac> yeah build will fail <asac> you have to unpatch the pristine source first <gnomefreak> i have 2 patches here one with our changes and one with debian changes it looks like <asac> e.g. remove the patch that moved to debian/patches <asac> gnomefreak: move our patches to a patch in debian/patches/ <asac> except the patch that has already been added there <asac> hjmf_: there? <gnomefreak> so i just more that file nspluginwrapper.....patch to the debian patches dir. after removing the part that they added <asac> yes ... only diffs that don't apply to debian/ dir <asac> of course <asac> e.g. not the debian/control changes that are in that .patchj <asac> those you need to apply manually again (if there are any) <gnomefreak> k <asac> do you see the difference? <asac> there are changes against upstream sources ... and changes against debian/ <asac> changes against upstream sources should now go to a patch <gnomefreak> nspluginwrapper-(930)970-5854/src/npw-config.c upstream? <gnomefreak> ok made changes to patch i guess go with the numbers they have 000 001 so make this 002 <gnomefreak> like 002_ubuntu.diff <asac> name is 002_nsplugindir_install.diff <asac> just ubuntu is lame <asac> as it should go to debian as well at some point <gnomefreak> ok im gonna try this see if it works and ill paste debdiff when done so you can make sure its right <gnomefreak> ok that sucked <gnomefreak> should i debdiff debians .dsc and new or our old .dsc and new? <asac> both <asac> and paste somewhere before uploading <gnomefreak> ok but the 2 mihgt conflict <gnomefreak> ok here is debdiff using 4-2ubuntu2 and 4-3ubuntu1 http://pastebin.mozilla.org/113943 <gnomefreak> this one is debiands 4-3 against our 4-3ubuntu1 http://pastebin.mozilla.org/113944 <gnomefreak> im gonna assume the first one is all that is needed <asac> gnomefreak: looks almost good <asac> howver you kept debian/ changes in patch <asac> they don't belong there <asac> only upstream changes as i said :) <asac> and you didn't remove the changes that are applied in debian for it <asac> so in general the build should fail <asac> like it is <asac> please fix those <asac> and you didn't wipe our changes against upstream: nspluginwrapper-(930)970-5854.orig/src/npw-config.c <asac> those will make the patch fail as well <gnomefreak> that patch you added was it applie upstream? <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/113945 is the patch i added <gnomefreak> the npw-config is the change you added that i left out in first debdiff this morning <gnomefreak> ok i just removed the ialibs as you stated in your changelog entry <asac> gnomefreak: no nothing was applied upstream <asac> just the javascript stuff was added to debian/patches/ <asac> (if you consider this upstream) <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/113945 doesnt show javascript so im confused <gnomefreak> ^^ patch that i added to debian/patches <asac> sorry i mean .sh <asac> shell <asac> not javascript <gnomefreak> ah the last part <gnomefreak> ok so i pull the last part out of patch <gnomefreak> asac: line 42-44 shoudl i drop those also? <gnomefreak> or even 40-44 <asac> he? <asac> that belongs to a diff against debian/ <asac> its nothing that you could drop <asac> its part of the diff of nspluginwrapper-(930)970-5854/debian/changelog <gnomefreak> so leave # <gnomefreak> so leave only in patch2: <gnomefreak> # <gnomefreak> unchanged: <gnomefreak> that was odd <asac> no ... those can be removed <asac> right <gnomefreak> ok <asac> please verify that the 45-end patch is <asac> in debian/patches/ <asac> ... though i think it its <gnomefreak> not with that name <gnomefreak> only 2 patches other than ours <gnomefreak> onlly symlink patch, the bashism patch and the one i just added <gnomefreak> inside them none has anything that looks like 45-end <asac> gnomefreak: its in bashism patch <gnomefreak> ah ok <asac> just check that that hunk is there as well <gnomefreak> yes its there <gnomefreak> k <asac> you verified that the *hunk* is there as well? <gnomefreak> looking <asac> then all is fine <asac> show me updated debdiffs against debian when ready <gnomefreak> im not seeing it <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/113947 is the bashism patch <asac> gnomefreak: its in there <asac> try to find it :) <gnomefreak> where? <asac> its the error hunk <asac> line 12ff <gnomefreak> where did you get 45-end though? <asac> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/113945 <asac> ?? <gnomefreak> dont know <asac> then i don't understand your question <asac> its in there <asac> starting from line 45 <asac> ... its cruft <gnomefreak> oh <asac> that has to go <asac> as its in the patch you just showed me <gnomefreak> 45 on debdiff paste <asac> yes <gnomefreak> oh ok well im gening another debdiff <asac> if you are done there should be no diff against any upstream sources in the debdiff of debian vs. ubuntu(new) <asac> ok <asac> cool <gnomefreak> and you want debain4-3 4-3ubuntu1 diff ? or 4-2ubuntu2 4-3ubuntu1 diff? <gnomefreak> 2nd one is the biggest <gnomefreak> example you want debdiff nspluginwrapper_156.14.161.142-2ubuntu2.dsc nspluginwrapper_156.14.161.142-3ubuntu1.dsc > nspluginwrapper_(930)970-5854.debdiff? <gnomefreak> this merge script grabs 3 or 4 .dsc plus the one i made <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/113952 is the debdiff from command above <asac> -Xs-Vcs-Bzr: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/nspluginwrapper/ubuntu <asac> that was dropped <asac> bad <asac> +Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ia32-libs, ia32-libs-gtk, linux32 <asac> gtk doesn't exist for us <asac> so remove that <asac> ok now show me diff against debian version <asac> e.g. once you fixed both above <gnomefreak> ok <gnomefreak> you want me to leave ia32-libs or drop that also? <gnomefreak> i cant access the link you gave <asac> just what i said <asac> gtk <asac> gnomefreak: you can change the url to use code.launchpad.net instead of bazaar.launchpad.net <asac> while yuo are at it <gnomefreak> in the link you gave? <asac> so you visit that url with browser as well <asac> its not a link <asac> its a diff <asac> that you dropped <asac> look at your debdiff <asac> its removed <asac> it has to stay <asac> and maybe replace bazaar with code <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/113956 here is the ubuntu version to ubuntu version <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/113957 debian version against new ubuntu version <gnomefreak> brb smoke <asac> gnomefreak: you still have dropped the bzr link <asac> and you still have nspluginwrapper-(930)970-5854/utils/mkruntime.sh <asac> changes <asac> did you do anything? <asac> or are those links the old ones? <asac> same goes for nspluginwrapper-(930)970-5854/src/npw-config.c <asac> its still in there <gnomefreak> drop that also? <asac> all from 120-bottom <asac> in http://pastebin.mozilla.org/113957 <asac> has to go <asac> hey ... thats what i was talking about all the time ;) <gnomefreak> i never had the bzr link in there <asac> yes ... which was wrong :) <asac> we need it <asac> as it was in the previous ubuntu version <gnomefreak> where? <asac> look at the ubuntu/ubuntu debdiff <asac> and you will see <gnomefreak> oh that one <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/113959 asac that is the patch i used the .sh part was dropped already <gnomefreak> not understanding why diff is nt picking that up <gnomefreak> isnt <asac> gnomefreak: please reconsider this: we don't want *any* diffs that are not in debian/ directoy <gnomefreak> if i drop nspluginwrapper-(930)970-5854/src/npw-config.c only thing left in patch is changelog <asac> gnomefreak: since you added the right diff to debian/patches <asac> gnomefreak: start from beginning <asac> you messed things up <asac> either you dropped the patch in debian/patches again <gnomefreak> cd into debian and run debdiff ~/merges/nspluginwrapper....dsc other one <asac> gnomefreak: you probably updated debian then <asac> e.g. by accident <asac> be sure that you have unmodified debian <asac> a few minutes ago you had this: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/113956 <asac> which has nspluginwrapper-(930)970-5854.orig/debian/patches/002_nsplugindir_install.diff <asac> which is not in debian by definition <asac> if that isn't showing up in your debdiffs then you definitly messed areound with original debian <asac> unless you don't have it anymore now <gnomefreak> its still in debian dir <gnomefreak> debian/patches <asac> get a clean debian version <gnomefreak> ive been editing it as i go <asac> if its not showing up then you copied it to debian's directory tree <asac> at some point <asac> perserve your new ubuntu version ... then wipe everything and get a clean debian one again <asac> gnomefreak: i have no idea what you did <asac> 10 minutes ago your debdiffs looked good <asac> please be sure that you don't mix something up <gnomefreak> starting over and just gonna bring stuff over as needed <asac> what do you mean by starting over? <asac> its not just "bringing over" ... its reverting changes as well <asac> so you don't have any diffs against non debian/... dirs <gnomefreak> re ran script to grab sources <asac> ok <gnomefreak> starting clean <gnomefreak> ok you want nspluginwrapper-(930)970-5854/src/npw-config.c taken out of patch? <asac> everything that is not nspluginwrapper-(930)970-5854/debian/*** has to go to a patch <asac> in debian/patches/ <asac> e.g. in your 002_... <asac> expect the hunks for bashism that are already moved to a patch <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/113963 is my 002 patch as it is <gnomefreak> that is right right? <asac> no <gnomefreak> if i pull the npw-config.c where is the use of the patch come in other than changelog <asac> the debian/* stuff doesn't belong there <asac> in debian/patches/* there *must not* be any debian/... patch <asac> just patches against upstream sources <gnomefreak> so i remove all of the changelog stuff <asac> gnomefreak: it should never have ended up there <asac> but yes <gnomefreak> do we want the changelog stuff added by hand? <gnomefreak> to changelog? <gnomefreak> wait maybe its there <gnomefreak> nvm damn <asac> it should be there <asac> by merge <gnomefreak> it is <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/113964 new patch <gnomefreak> asac: new ubuntu against ubuntu debdiff http://pastebin.mozilla.org/113965 <asac> ok <bluekuja> back <asac> now debian vs ubunt? <bluekuja> asac: what persia said on his mail? <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/113966 <gnomefreak> debian vs ubutnu <bluekuja> asac: in fact, one vote is not the final decision <bluekuja> that's why there are 2 council members <asac> gnomefreak: you still have the cruft <asac> outside debian dir <bluekuja> *5 <asac> do you see? <asac> look at debian vs ubuntu diff <asac> there should be no diff outside debian/ dir <asac> gnomefreak: just try to build and you will see that it fails <gnomefreak> it failed on thier patches <asac> yes <asac> because you didn't remove them <asac> from upstream source <gnomefreak> 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- rejects in file utils/mkruntime.sh <asac> as i said <gnomefreak> Patch 001_remove_bashisms.diff can be reverse-applied <asac> you still have cruft <asac> look at the debdiff <asac> and you will see <asac> the patches in debian/patches are fine -> don't touch <asac> remove the diffs against upstream sources <asac> bluekuja: i haven't received any mail <bluekuja> he cced only motu-council <bluekuja> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2007-July/000214.html <bluekuja> here it is <gnomefreak> give me a around line number and dont say line 89 and 90 <gnomefreak> this debdiff is what DaD changed and what i changed btw <gnomefreak> not to mention the script grabs 3 sources <asac> bluekuja: do you have any decent email client and can bounce that mail to me? <asac> e.g. not forward <asac> -> really bounce <bluekuja> I use tbird <asac> there is a bounce mail extension <asac> search for it <bluekuja> ok <bluekuja> give me a min <asac> gnomefreak: look at it <asac> everything that is a diff that doesn't belong to debian/ dir has to go <gnomefreak> i am <asac> yes then you will find <asac> look at debian vs ubuntu debdiff <gnomefreak> see that is the dir im running it from <gnomefreak> same dir that i ran ubuntu vs ubuntu <asac> i don'tknow what you are talking about atm <asac> the dir doesn't matter <asac> the debdiff just contains cruft <asac> e.g. changes that are now in a patch <asac> all those have to go <gnomefreak> line 90ish <gnomefreak> maybe its getting in there when the patch is applied? <asac> all of that <asac> yes of course it gets in there <asac> it has to be reverted manually <gnomefreak> from debdiff <asac> no its not getting in there if the debian/patches/ patch is applied <asac> it gets in there when the automatic merge is attempted <asac> you have to revert it <gnomefreak> ah ok <gnomefreak> so edit those files <asac> its not giving you any conflicts because it just applies cleanly <asac> revert the patch parts <asac> the normal way is to patch it reversed <asac> copy the patches you don't want to another file <asac> then patch it with -R <asac> or manually edit ... but that is a pita if you are doing huge things <asac> e.g. copy the diffs you don't want to /tmp/donwant.patch <gnomefreak> check those files to see if the patches are needed <asac> then patch -p1 -R < /tmp/dontwant.patch <asac> he? <asac> i already checked a hundred times <asac> those patches are duplicated atm <asac> you have them in debian/patches/ <asac> and you have them in general diff.gz <asac> e.g. directly patched against upstream sources <gnomefreak> how the hell did that happen <asac> because those files where patched in previous version <bluekuja> asac: done <asac> so the merge applied it ... and had no problem to do soe <gnomefreak> ok so pull debians patches out <asac> he? <asac> no <bluekuja> asac: redirected to your mail <asac> bluekuja: can you please explain gnomefreak what he has todo <gnomefreak> the patches i dont want are in the debdiff <bluekuja> asac: yup <asac> upstream moved changes from diff.gz to patches in debian/patches/ <bluekuja> gnomefreak, what's the problem? <gnomefreak> those are debians 2 patches <asac> now he has patches in debian/patches <asac> but still upstream source is directly patched <asac> as you can see in <asac> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/113966 <asac> line 91ff <bluekuja> yup <asac> the patch we had against debian is already in debian/patches too <gnomefreak> the patches that were applied are on the debdiff those are 000 and 001 both added by debian <asac> its just to wipe all diffs that are not in debian/ directory <asac> yes ... plus we had a patch as well <asac> which we now moved to 002 <asac> so everything has to go <gnomefreak> right <bluekuja> gnomefreak, anyway your remaining changes are bad <gnomefreak> define everything <asac> gnomefreak: everything not affecting debian/ <asac> has to go out of diff.gz <bluekuja> gnomefreak, are you merging now? <gnomefreak> bluekuja: `yes <bluekuja> gnomefreak, a lot of changes <bluekuja> are not documented <bluekuja> in your current changelog entry <bluekuja> e.g <bluekuja> # <bluekuja> -Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ia32-libs, ia32-libs-gtk, linux32 <bluekuja> # <bluekuja> +Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ia32-libs, linux32 <bluekuja> you not document this <bluekuja> there are changes in a .sh file <bluekuja> (from the diff) <bluekuja> still not documented <gnomefreak> becaue debian added it <bluekuja> ? <bluekuja> you're merging <gnomefreak> we added it first than debian took it over <bluekuja> wait <bluekuja> current debian version has them <gnomefreak> * Inherit "remove bashisms" patch from Ubuntu, to remove bashisms (oddly enough!) - patch by Anders Kaseorg <gnomefreak> i had added that patch in version 4-2ubuntu2 <bluekuja> gnomefreak, what are you using? <bluekuja> e.g dad/mom <gnomefreak> dad <bluekuja> ok, so <bluekuja> if you debdiff <bluekuja> current debian version <bluekuja> with new ubuntu one <bluekuja> (you merged) <gnomefreak> question why does my ubuntu vs ubuntu look right and my debian vs ubuntu now <gnomefreak> not <bluekuja> you have to debdiff <bluekuja> debian vs ubuntu <gnomefreak> bluekuja: done that <bluekuja> and you get that? <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/113966 <bluekuja> is right <gnomefreak> this looks right? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/113965 <bluekuja> you have to check <gnomefreak> if its right wtf <bluekuja> previous entries too <bluekuja> look what asac said <bluekuja> # <bluekuja> * src/npw-config.c: NSPLUGIN_DIR environment can override default <bluekuja> # <bluekuja> + mozilla_system_dir and can specify custom install dir for created <bluekuja> # <bluekuja> + wrapper library <bluekuja> and you have it <bluekuja> (but you not document it) <bluekuja> same for * utils/mkruntime.sh: applied anti-bashism patch by Anders <bluekuja> you have it on your debdiff <bluekuja> but you not document it <bluekuja> you have to check for every ubuntu change <bluekuja> added <bluekuja> and report them all <bluekuja> checking if they are still there <bluekuja> (using debdiff) <gnomefreak> it was applie in version nspluginwrapper (156.14.161.142-2ubuntu2) gutsy; urgency=low <bluekuja> yea <bluekuja> you have to report that <gnomefreak> i did <bluekuja> as remaining change <bluekuja> no <gnomefreak> yes <bluekuja> you did not <bluekuja> I dont see it in your changelog entry <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/113974 <gnomefreak> its not in this version that i applied it when i applied it it was sent up already. debian took the patch and added the patch as 001 <bluekuja> still bad * gnomefreak not seeing bad since it was applied in verion 4-2ubuntu2 and it was uploaded all was good. now debian gets it takes the patch and applies it to thier version so do i remove 001 patch <bluekuja> gnomefreak, you're not understanding me <bluekuja> :) <bluekuja> gnomefreak, the last link <bluekuja> is what you get from? <gnomefreak> why do i have to report anything that was already done <bluekuja> gnomefreak, wait <bluekuja> please <bluekuja> link me <gnomefreak> i reported it already <bluekuja> all the debdiff <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/113976 <asac> bluekuja: please take care that all the changes that are not against a debian/ directory are removed from debdiff ... i have to go out for a few <bluekuja> asac: ok, you gonna answer to hat mail? <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/113977 <bluekuja> *that <asac> bluekuja: once i received it <bluekuja> asac: strange <bluekuja> I sent it to you <bluekuja> already <gnomefreak> brb snoke <bluekuja> using bounce addon <bluekuja> asac: maybe reported as spam? <gnomefreak> k <gnomefreak> the 2 patches that are on the debdiff shouldnt be on debdiff so i should go in remove the parts of the patch from the files (since somehoe they got applied to source) right? <asac> bluekuja: no should be fine <gnomefreak> so the patch works as it should or its like double patching? <bluekuja> asac: mmm..strange then <asac> gnomefreak: no they did not get applied to source somehow ... they have moved to patches/ directory ... otherwise you would have seen a merge conflict ... which is why you might be confused atm <gnomefreak> the only merge conflict was control file <bluekuja> I'm a little less confused <bluekuja> of what are you doing <bluekuja> :) <gnomefreak> that makes one of us because i didnt touch the 2 patches debian had all i did was add ours <gnomefreak> the 002 <bluekuja> gnomefreak, <bluekuja> explain me what you did step by step please <gnomefreak> took patch dad gave me for versiion 4-2ubuntu2 edited it and added it to debian/patches and series. changed changelog and changed control <bluekuja> ? <bluekuja> what you did? <bluekuja> why you touched the patch? <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/113980 patch i added <gnomefreak> oh shit <gnomefreak> the symlinks patch is the same i added <bluekuja> lol <gnomefreak> nvm no it isnt <gnomefreak> it patches same file though <bluekuja> dont touch the patch <bluekuja> of ubuntu version <bluekuja> just grab-merge <gnomefreak> the patch ishowed you looks good right? <bluekuja> you added ut= <bluekuja> *it? <bluekuja> which patch system does it use? <gnomefreak> when i used grab-merge it was named something 4-2ubuntu2.patch so i edited it and added it <gnomefreak> quilt <bluekuja> gnomefreak, you dont have to touch <bluekuja> the patch <bluekuja> dad provides you <gnomefreak> asac: told me to get rid of everyting from debian dir related <bluekuja> gnomefreak, answer to me <gnomefreak> so i ended up with the npw-con... patch <gnomefreak> bluekuja: that was meant for you <bluekuja> why did you touch the patch dad provides you? <gnomefreak> bluekuja: asac told me to remove everything debian dir related from the patch dad gave me for ubuntu version not debian version <bluekuja> why? <gnomefreak> bluekuja: he said it shouldnt be in there <bluekuja> mmmm <gnomefreak> changelog entries and crap <bluekuja> mm <bluekuja> usually <bluekuja> you dont have to touch it <gnomefreak> lets start all over let me make new dir andgrab new <bluekuja> yeah <bluekuja> ^^ <bluekuja>
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