#xubuntu-devel 2011-04-01 <charlie-tca> Good morning <knome> Spotify support for gmusicbrowser <knome> The Shimmer Project has decided to give a free Spotify account for a month to everybody using gmusicbrowser, alongside their new Spotify plugin for gmusicbrowser, which is to be released late tonight. Those who want the free Spotify account are asked to send email to rodriguezcrystal@example.org along with their name and a screenshot or a photograph of them using gmusicbrowser. <knome> This offer is valid for one week from now, so act quickly. <knome> http://shimmerproject.org/2011/04/spotify-support-for-gmusicbrowser/ <charlie-tca> knome: are you going to fix the header for the wiki to work in all themes? It might be better to go back to the old header and just change the color <knome> charlie-tca, is there still problems? i changed the background color to veyr light blue. can you maybe send me a screenshot so i can see what would work with the link colors for you <knome> *very <charlie-tca> http://imagebin.org/145887 <knome> right... that doesn't look so bad to my eyes really <knome> it's not *beautiful*, but it works <charlie-tca> It is not the color, it is the code used. It does not lkook complete at all when not using the <charlie-tca> default theme <knome> hmm... yeah <charlie-tca> Why have I got those borders? Why are the links running together? <knome> so maybe remove the table borders? <knome> the links are pretty much as supposed to be <charlie-tca> Why can't it fit the page now? <knome> fit the page? <charlie-tca> The links then need to be re-done <charlie-tca> The header is using about 2/3 of the page in the screenshot <knome> mmh <knome> have to look at that <charlie-tca> It should be the same size as the text <knome> that's definitely something about the theme you're using <charlie-tca> It is not just this theme. It is all the themes except the default <knome> right <charlie-tca> The old header fit <knome> that's really weird <knome> it has the same tablestyle as the old onw <knome> *one <charlie-tca> It might be better to keep the old header and just change the colors <knome> imo not, i'll rather fix this <charlie-tca> That was the issue with it, right? <knome> being ugly as well <charlie-tca> It was not ugly, it was desig <charlie-tca> it was designed by cody-somerville, and that makes you decide it was bad <knome> no, i didn't know it was designed by cody <knome> and i did a refresh for it, if you don't remember <charlie-tca> It worked a lot better than this is. This looks half finished now <knome> please don't assume i'm bashing all the work others have done <charlie-tca> I am sorry for that statement then. I thought you knew <charlie-tca> But I really need a nice header that works in all the themes for the wiki. <knome> yeah, i'll try to fix the new one <knome> i didn't know it broke in all the other themes <charlie-tca> I like the colors, I will work on the links to make them more useable. <charlie-tca> You work on making the header look right, okay? <knome> yup, i'm working on it right now <charlie-tca> You are good with the design features. I have a lot of experience fixing links to look right <charlie-tca> I won't touch it today. and maybe not until next week. I can play on my own wiki to make it look like the links fit. <charlie-tca> Maybe I didn't notice them on the old one because it spread them out more. I understand the need to squash it to fit the new non-resizing wiki defaults, but hopefully, we can make it all work. <knome> how does the menu look now? <knome> is it as spread <charlie-tca> what the hell do I have to do in FF4 to get the page refreshed now? <knome> ctrl+r ? <knome> or click the button right to the location bar <charlie-tca> didn't work. I wound up clearing history, and have to log in again <charlie-tca> Nothing like the long way to refresh, huh? <knome> heh <charlie-tca> make the borders invisible, too, please <knome> sure <charlie-tca> It does fit better <knome> did it work now? <knome> okay <charlie-tca> I think <knome> actually for me, there is no change <knome> that must be because i edited the MenuNew page <knome> :P <charlie-tca> I might be wrong and did not work. 3.6 shows the short header, 4.0 shows it longer ? <knome> well, it's better now <knome> but still not 100% <charlie-tca> yes, that is an improvement. <charlie-tca> and does it still fit with the default theme, too? <knome> probably <knome> hard to test several themes per time, but it really much should <knome> as the width values are now percents <charlie-tca> that new theme is a pain to work with. We told them making it fixed width was bad for accessibility, but they shoved it through anyway, with a promise to work on it. <knome> it's working more or less now <charlie-tca> yup <charlie-tca> that just resized to the text width <knome> yup, all the 'sections' are now 25% <charlie-tca> That does make a difference. <micahg> knome: you need another FFe to get a new plugin in <knome> micahg, the help stuff wouldn't necessarily be plugin, and it doesn't matter if it was after natty release. it would just be cool to get it in natty *one day*, since gmb became the default in natty <micahg> knome: new features are only allowed in -backports unless there's a tech board exception <charlie-tca> Team Reports are due this week for March 2011. I plan on seeing this wiki update in there. <knome> micahg, SRU then <knome> micahg, i mean, it's a bit comical if one can't get a "Help" -link in... <charlie-tca> knome, micahg, ochosi, pleia2 : are all invited to make updates to the Team Report too <micahg> knome: no, features aren't allowed in an SRU <charlie-tca> It is the Team Report, not the Team Leader must type everything Report <knome> if something that gives help in using things X is a feature, then it sucks. <charlie-tca> micahg: can we get an FFe for the plugin? <charlie-tca> micahg: can we get an FFe for the plugin? <micahg> charlie-tca: it can go right behind bug 747014 :) <ubottu> Launchpad bug 747014 in unity (Ubuntu Natty) "Major Natty regression: No fish!" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/747014 <charlie-tca> sorry I asked ;-) <knome> ;] <charlie-tca> Maybe I could file a bug report about there being too many bug reports? <knome> maybe <charlie-tca> for the record: I hate April 1 a lot <pleia2> charlie-tca: I just ignore the internet all day except for obvious jokes that people point out * pleia2 quite liked http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=21-24+Millbank+London+SW1P+4QP++United+Kingdom&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Millbank+Tower,+21-24+Millbank,+London,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.492774,-0.12454&spn=0.005571,0.013937&z=17 <pleia2> (ubuntu related!) <micahg> haha <micahg> did Google do that? <pleia2> yeah <pleia2> charlie-tca: created 11/March and added website stuff <charlie-tca> heh? <charlie-tca> team report? <charlie-tca> Great! <pleia2> love the slideshow :) <pleia2> charlie-tca: I have a bunch of stupid testing questions but I want to go through the docs a bit more thoroughly before asking, will you be around this evening or tomorrow much? <pleia2> I'm putting together a little flier for our global jam on sunday and want to make sure the live testing process is properly described <charlie-tca> I can be around, yes. I will make an effort to be around all weekend with the global jam going, even if it is in and out at times <pleia2> ok, I'm sure I'll catch you then :) <charlie-tca> Questions are good. It helps to get the documentation correct for anyone to use. <charlie-tca> I wrote it so I could understand it, but that doesn't always work. <mr_pouit> FYI, existing natty users might experience a breakage of their panel config because of my latest changes (this is necessary to fix a more annoying bug). <pleia2> I think my current challenge is reconciling http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing <charlie-tca> mr_pouit ... <pleia2> but I'll ask questions when I read more :) <charlie-tca> We only use the qa tracker during the milestone pre-testing <charlie-tca> It won't be used again now until right before the beta2 release <pleia2> ok, good to know <pleia2> so I just have people use the wiki page, and do regular apport bug reporting? <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I see you could not reproduce my workspace bug. I can do it reliably, too. <charlie-tca> On two different hardware systems, to further mess things up <charlie-tca> I suspect we will see duplicates come in against that bug when the final release happens <mr_pouit> (sorry for the config breakage, but otherwise users will be hit by Bug #747137) <ubottu> Launchpad bug 747137 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "When drag-droping application from menu to panel random application apperars" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/747137 <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: yeah, I'll retry later to reproduce <charlie-tca> yeah, I saw that report too. We will be okay, in the long run <mr_pouit> ah, interesting, it might not break too much existing configs after all #xubuntu-devel 2011-04-02 <mr_pouit> hoy <mr_pouit> has anyone contacted the 2nd wp author? <mr_pouit> because I still only have 1 wp in xubuntu-wallpapers ;-) <mr_pouit> and 2nd question: is someone taking care of xubuntu-docs 11.04? <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: something in the updates is taking out the panels, and people are unable to restore them using xfce4-panel <charlie-tca> in natty <mr_pouit> log out, then "rm -f $HOME/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-panel.xml" in a vt, then log back in <mr_pouit> it will restore the default panel layout <charlie-tca> Thanks <mr_pouit> (but you must have the latest xfce4-panel and xubuntu-default-settings) <charlie-tca> hm, so if they go to a vt, they can always run updates first <mr_pouit> they can also do it in their session: "xfce4-panel -q", then "xfconf-query -c xfce4-panel -p /panels -r -R", "xfconf-query -c xfce4-panel -p /plugins -r -R", then ALT+F2 "xfce4-panel", and it should do the same <PsynoKhi0> hi <TheSheep> !hi | PsynoKhi0 <TheSheep> hm, wrong channel :) #xubuntu-devel 2011-04-03 * pleia2 waves to charlie-tca from their xubuntu jam <pleia2> yay, hi jyo1 :) <pleia2> charlie-tca: I have a couple bugs to file but I need some "what package to file this against" help <pleia2> one of them is window resizing with compositing enabled, the windows go all wireframe rather than being transparent/opaque * pleia2 searches bugs in meantime * charlie-tca waves back <charlie-tca> xfwm4 <pleia2> awesome thanks, it does this with moving and resizing, single bug or separate? <charlie-tca> single bug <pleia2> also, when I load up firefox it says it's not my default browser and offers to change it <charlie-tca> Thanks for helping out with testing this s <charlie-tca> Yeah, That 's the latest thing with firefox, and you have to uncheck the "do this check everytime" box to get it to quit <pleia2> jyo1 is here from my loco team doing live testing too :) <charlie-tca> Great! <pleia2> ok, so no bug for that one then, it's just how it is <charlie-tca> Hello, jyo1 <pleia2> silly firefox <charlie-tca> right <pleia2> charlie-tca: oh, in the instructions for firefox it mentions "Go to Help -> Help Contents" - that doesn't seem to exist (there is just Firefox Help), I figure this is just a bug with the testing documentation <pleia2> in short livecd testing <charlie-tca> yes, it is. We just want to be sure Help is working from the application menus. <pleia2> jyo1: bug is at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfwm4/+bug/749665 <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 749665 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu) "Windows are wireframe when move & resize even with compositing" [Undecided,New] <charlie-tca> Thank you for filing that one. <pleia2> charlie-tca: we compared notes and he has the same thing happening, he just selected the "affects me too" - is there anything else he can do? <charlie-tca> If he wants to, he can comment that he sees the same thing, which helps to confirm it for us. <charlie-tca> It is always good to have two people say they have the same thing happening, and then have the rest click the "affects me too" button. <pleia2> ok, thank you :) <charlie-tca> Either way is fine, though. either myself or mr_pouit will attempt to reproduce, and forward the bugs to Xfce when needed. <pleia2> 4.8 is really nice <charlie-tca> Agreed. Also, I don't see the panel crashes with it that I had with the other versions. <mr_pouit> pleia2: could you give the output of "xfconf-query -c xfwm4 -p /general/box_move" and "xfconf-query -c xfwm4 -p /general/box_resize" please? <pleia2> mr_pouit: true <mr_pouit> okay <mr_pouit> Then, please run "xfconf-query -c xfwm4 -p /general/box_move -t bool -s false" and "xfconf-query -c xfwm4 -p /general/box_resize -t bool -s false" <mr_pouit> and retry to move a window <pleia2> I fixed up quoting and ran: xfconf-query -c xfwm4 -p "/general/box_move" -t bool -s false and "xfconf-query -c xfwm4 -p /general/box_resize -t bool -s false" <pleia2> that fixed it for move :) <pleia2> oh, "and" <mr_pouit> yeah, they are two distinct commands, sorry <pleia2> yay <pleia2> that fixed it <pleia2> lemme try changing transparency <pleia2> works <mr_pouit> okay, thanks for testing <pleia2> thanks mr_pouit :) <mr_pouit> please reassign the bug to xubuntu-default-settings <pleia2> ok <mr_pouit> I'll put them to false by default <pleia2> charlie-tca: in the testing instructions it tells you to enable compositing for some of the tests, but it defaults to on (probably just another update to the testing doc) <charlie-tca> New change for 4.8, then <charlie-tca> pleia2: fixed the test page <charlie-tca> triaged the bug <pleia2> \o/ <pleia2> charlie-tca: I'm thinking this could use a refresh in the next cycle: http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa_bugs_testing * pleia2 going through website looking for bugs <charlie-tca> I am sure it could. <charlie-tca> It just kind of appeared one day <pleia2> probably won't finish today, but I'm going to create some content bugs so we can be sure to refresh a bunch during the move to wordpress <charlie-tca> We don't have Malone anymore, it is all Launchpad now <pleia2> yeah <knome> hey pleia2 <pleia2> hey knome <knome> i suppose there is no news about staging.www.xubuntu.org? <pleia2> no news <pleia2> I will follow up on the bug report now * knome just ate something way too hot way too much <knome> my tongue is aching <pleia2> hehe <knome> not in the "wow this was hot" way but the "i'm dying" way <knome> ;) <knome> well not that bad anymore but.. ;) <knome> i just accidentally poured >1 tsp in my food <knome> "oops" <pleia2> nice job <knome> yeah <pleia2> ok, replied to the ticket <knome> need to be more careful next time :) <knome> pleia2, thanks for the CC #xubuntu-devel 2011-04-04 <Aquina> 'lo <charlie-tca> Good morning <davmor2> morning charlie-tca how's life? <charlie-tca> exciting as can be! <charlie-tca> Natty is coming soon now <davmor2> charlie-tca: how's Xubuntu shaping up had no time to look at it this time round :( <charlie-tca> I thinnk it is a good release <charlie-tca> Not too many issues, considering the changes that have happened <PsynoKhi0> hi <charlie-tca> Hello, PsynoKhi0 <imagus> Hey <imagus> Hey #xubuntu-devel 2011-04-05 <Aquina> hy <likemindead> This morning's updates borked my Xubuntu Natty install. Freezes up at login screen. Freezes up trying to boot to recovery mode. Halp? <PsynoKhi0> hi <PsynoKhi0> boy is qemu slow w/o hardware vitualisation XD <charlie-tca__> What about VBox? <micahg> yeah, that's why I'm stuck with Virtualbox until I get my new laptop <PsynoKhi0> does that work at all on a CPU that doesn't have hardware virtualization extensions? <micahg> PsynoKhi0: 32 bit yet, 64 bit now <micahg> *no <PsynoKhi0> 32 bit vbox, or 32 bit guest? <micahg> 32 bit gues <micahg> *guest <PsynoKhi0> oh <PsynoKhi0> brb <PsynoKhi0> damn, missing kernel driver... <micahg> PsynoKhi0: install virtualbox-ose-dkms <PsynoKhi0> I'm running opensuse ;) <charlie-tca__> heh <charlie-tca__> much harder to help when you run that <knome> not only harder, but renders it to be not-our-problem :P <PsynoKhi0> ah... btw, the virtual machine I'm setting up is xubuntu natty beta 1 <PsynoKhi0> ^^ <charlie-tca__> yeah, but the VBox guest is not the issue, the host is <PsynoKhi0> I know I know... simply clearing things up so you guys don't start thinking "wtf is this bloke doing here anyway?" :D <knome> PsynoKhi0, well #ubuntu+1 for bugreports ;) <charlie-tca__> Not on opensuse <knome> heh, of course not <micahg> knome: #ubuntu+1 is only for natty support <charlie-tca__> and, actually, to tell us here about issues in natty is good <knome> but if he gets to boot natty <micahg> s/natty/devel release/ <micahg> #ubuntu-bugs is for bug filing <charlie-tca__> This is the devel channel, right? * micahg thinks /topic still says that <knome> micahg, bugs should be filed at Launchpad anyway <knome> :P <knome> not on irc <charlie-tca__> Then, Yes, tell us about natty issues here, please <PsynoKhi0> FIY I don't run any *buntu anymore but I still think it's the best for new users, so anything that helps GNU/Linux adoption is good <micahg> knome: I meant help filing bugs, not reporting them :P <knome> :P <charlie-tca__> support for natty is #ubuntu+1, issues should be brought up in #xubuntu-devel. We might be able to resolve them before filing the bug. <knome> charlie-tca__, so should we point all users (even when alpha) here rather than #ubuntu+1 with their problems? <charlie-tca__> knome: don't be silly <knome> i am serious <charlie-tca__> so am I <knome> what makes you think i'm joking? <charlie-tca__> obvious you did not read what I said above <charlie-tca__> support for natty is #ubuntu+1, issues should be brought up in #xubuntu-devel. We might be able to resolve them before filing the bug. <charlie-tca__> Where does that say point all natty users here? <knome> charlie-tca__, i did, no reason to repeat; "issues should be brought in #xubuntu-devel" <knome> +up <knome> that says "tell them to come here" <charlie-tca__> Why would you ever decide that? <knome> you said so <knome> i've been pointing users to #ubuntu+1 <knome> if a user has a problem with a xubuntu development release, where should he go? <knome> #ubuntu+1 ? <knome> but tell the issues here? <knome> so both? <knome> or do we only want issues after beta is released? * micahg thinks the issues charlie-tca__ was referring to were actual bugs, not just how tos <charlie-tca__> All support questions go to #ubuntu+1 for natty. All development issues go here. <knome> is there *support* even in #ubuntu+1 before beta? <charlie-tca__> and you are simply being obstinate again <micahg> s/actual/perceived/ <charlie-tca__> There is support in #ubuntu+1 before alpha1 normally <knome> charlie-tca__, i'm not being stubborn, i'm trying to point people to the correct place <charlie-tca__> If <knome> charlie-tca__, how does a user/helper know when it's a development issue and when not? <charlie-tca__> If we are not to know about issues before beta, why do we ask anyone to file bugs when they discover problems? <charlie-tca__> There is nothing that says you can not install +1 as soon as possible and have problems with it. <knome> of course, but what separates a problem and a development issue? <charlie-tca__> If they come in here, we allow them to tell us the issue. We can then decide, can't we? <knome> okay, so does that mean everybody should be sent here first and not #ubuntu+1 ? <charlie-tca__> no * micahg feels like he's in a time warp * knome feels like charlie isn't coherent <Unit193> I think knome is asking at what point do you get sent here? <PsynoKhi0> hmm gonna file a bug for an infinite loop in the xubuntu-devel IRC channel, brb... <PsynoKhi0> ;P <charlie-tca__> It's not really as hard as you make it <knome> Unit193, yes, that, and what kind of issues should be sent here <knome> charlie-tca__, please remember that you are the one that's triaging bugs <charlie-tca__> If the user comes in here and tells us he has a problem with natty, we do not send them away. We ask what is wrong <knome> charlie-tca__, when it's alpha, i might not know *anything* about the dev release bugs <knome> charlie-tca__, you do <charlie-tca__> We might have a fix already, that has not been published yet <knome> that's the difference <knome> charlie-tca__, that's why it's easy for you <charlie-tca__> and that is why *you* do not send the user away from here <knome> i didn't? <knome> i was asking whether i should send the user *TO* here <knome> or #ubuntu+1 <knome> but i still don't have an answer <micahg> knome: support #ubuntu+1, perceived bugs here <knome> micahg, in which way perceived? by the dev community or the single supported? <knome> *supported <knome> BAH <knome> supporter <micahg> knome: if the user is about to file a bug, come here first <knome> how many times are they going to file bugs, even with non-development versions, if you don't tell them to? :) <knome> bbl <PsynoKhi0> heh I needed to reboot :P <PsynoKhi0> vbox now works... aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand natty beta1 is up yay :D <Unit193> PsynoKhi0: Just be glad it's not like Win updates... "You have just updated your help file, you need to reboot" then tells you every 5min and if you don't click "wait" it's going to reboot FOR you <PsynoKhi0> I mean the vbox kernel driver needed a reboot to get loaded <PsynoKhi0> a modprobe might have worked too but oh well <PsynoKhi0> anyway... still stuck with that tiny icon for the main menu eh? <charlie-tca__> natty? <charlie-tca__> yes <PsynoKhi0> at least something happens when one puts the mouse pointer over it... <charlie-tca__> yup <PsynoKhi0> I'd still go for something similar to Opera 11 and Firefox 4 though <charlie-tca__> We did give you firefox 4 <PsynoKhi0> I mean their main menu button <charlie-tca__> Now I am lost <charlie-tca__> They are applications, not desktops <PsynoKhi0> http://www.opera.com/browser/ Opera 11, http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Firefox_4_beta_screenshot.png&imgrefurl=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Firefox_4_beta_screenshot.png&usg=__9ruSktmNUHoKAUIGRu4_ZOTLeWs=&h=224&w=457&sz=82&hl=sv&start=21&zoom=1&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=O0Ma-sIwUAayjM:&tbnh=63&tbnw=128&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfirefox%2B4%2Bscreenshots%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dsv% <PsynoKhi0> 26client%3Dopera%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dsv%26tbm%3Disch&ei=P1mbTYr7A4jVsgadv7H8BQ Firefox 44 <PsynoKhi0> urgh <PsynoKhi0> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Firefox_4_beta_screenshot.png Firefox 4 <PsynoKhi0> http://img232.imageshack.us/f/panelit3bigmenubutton14.png/ this was a suggestion <PsynoKhi0> IMo main menu button = largest element on an empty panel <PsynoKhi0> other than that, congrats on the polished desktop <charlie-tca__> for reasons I can't remember but are in the meeting minutes, we can't do it this time <PsynoKhi0> XFCE's limitations? <charlie-tca__> Ubuntu got us, I think <charlie-tca__> Much of what they do affects us <PsynoKhi0> are you referring to the Ubuntu wheel in my proposal? <charlie-tca__> No, the reason we can not grow the button big <PsynoKhi0> if so np, dump it for a downwards pointing arrow or so <PsynoKhi0> oh <PsynoKhi0> man that's weird <PsynoKhi0> for people who slam "user experience" and "usability" left and right... <PsynoKhi0> I mean, the icon for shutting down the computer is LARGE than the one to do most of the useful things with it, for crying out loud... <PsynoKhi0> LARGER* <charlie-tca__> It will be for this release <charlie-tca__> the end of an era: http://blog.canonical.com/?p=551 <charlie-tca__> no more shipit service for Ubuntu CD's <charlie-tca__> hm, I should have said it will not be larger for this natty release. Perhaps a way will be found to grow it for oneiric <PsynoKhi0> ok <PsynoKhi0> is there a preview of the installation slideshow anywhere? <PsynoKhi0> if at least the menu button and the dock make it there... <charlie-tca__> must be one in bazaar, but I don't know the details. It is on the live cd <PsynoKhi0> ./usr/share/ubiquity-slideshow :) <PsynoKhi0> ./usr/share/ubiquity-slideshow/slides/05-desktop.html to be precise... it shows the main menu, the launcher panel, so this is I think really nice <PsynoKhi0> also liking the fact that content is hidden by default when moving windows around, great for not so peppy computers <PsynoKhi0> we have a winner here :) <PsynoKhi0> gigolo installed by default, awesome <PsynoKhi0> hmm is it XFCE's default to have the font that big in the terminal? <charlie-tca__> That big? <charlie-tca__> Is it 10 or 12 pt? <PsynoKhi0> bigger than the rest of the desktop in any case <PsynoKhi0> 12 <PsynoKhi0> setting it to 10 makes it more homogenous with the rest though <charlie-tca__> It only appears bigger, normal fonts should be 12 pt, but that might not be droid fonts <charlie-tca__> That should be monospaced, right? <PsynoKhi0> the font yes, the size set to 12 makes it look bigger though <charlie-tca__> mr_pouit: is it possible to change the size of the default terminal font? <PsynoKhi0> I know I'm very picky when it comes to the desktop's overall consistent look :D <PsynoKhi0> I like gigolo, though I suppose having the menu entry decribing what it does rather than what it's called might be better for users who've never used it <charlie-tca__> menu names are fixed, it causes a lot of other issues to change them <PsynoKhi0> ah, shame <PsynoKhi0> shame too that I didn't take the time to have the mouse pointer over the name >.< <Unit193> Quick idiot question: does gigolo do local disks? (don't have two in this box) <charlie-tca__> no, it does network drives, normally windows <PsynoKhi0> hmm I remember local drives not present in fstab appearing in Gigolo <Unit193> Thanks charlie-tca__, I have used gigolo for SMB... <PsynoKhi0> partitions, more exactly <PsynoKhi0> though I never tried to mount them there <charlie-tca__> I could be wrong, I mount mine through ssh <charlie-tca__> pleia2: the wireframe - compositing bug should be fixed on tomorrows images <pleia2> charlie-tca__: I saw the bug update! yay :) I'll try to find time to test <charlie-tca__> Thanks for doing the testing you did! <mr_pouit> charlie-tca__: yup, it's possible <charlie-tca__> Apparently the 12pt monospace looks big compared to the droid 12pt default now <charlie-tca__> We should look at making it 10pt, maybe, just for the mono font <charlie-tca__> PsynoKhi0: bug report for terminal font, please. It will be wishlist, to change the font size. <charlie-tca__> PsynoKhi0: it will against xfce4-terminal <mr_pouit> no, against xubuntu-default-settings <charlie-tca__> oops <charlie-tca__> PsynoKhi0: it will be against xubuntu-default-settings <mr_pouit> and I think 10pt might be too small <charlie-tca__> I guess I have to do an install and look at it, but droid is smaller than normal, too <charlie-tca__> At least to my eyes <charlie-tca__> I don't think any font on my system is at the defaults, I reset everyone of them. <charlie-tca__> and I change them in each app too, so they stay where I put them <mr_pouit> with the default syntax coloration in the shell, when you do "ls", folders are in blue color, bold font, and I'm not sure it'll be very readable if the font is too small <charlie-tca__> at least a wishlist bug will keep us from forgetting to check it out <mr_pouit> anyway, that will be different for everyone, so it's annoying to have a default setting ;> <charlie-tca__> crap, I must have changed that too, then <charlie-tca__> So, we don't even need the default setting? ;-) <charlie-tca__> oops, I don't think I even look at terminal much, since I install guake on my system <mr_pouit> I think the default default setting is even bigger ;] <charlie-tca__> might be <PsynoKhi0> erm does creating a Launchpad account REALLY requires one's real full name? <charlie-tca__> yes <PsynoKhi0> then sorry <charlie-tca__> Keeps things honest <PsynoKhi0> I understand the reasoning behind it, though unfortunately having my name for all to see on the web gives me the creeps <mr_pouit> I think you can put whatever in it <charlie-tca__> I googled my full name, first, middle, last, and found out there are a half dozen of us in the USA alone. <charlie-tca__> and it is pretty unique <PsynoKhi0> that's why I prefer the brainstorm page to launchpad <Unit193> PsynoKhi0: My first and last name are the only ones in USA, so I just put: firstname and first letter of lastname <charlie-tca__> I have seen some use their email name, too (part before the @) <PsynoKhi0> I'll give it some thought :) bedtime now though, good night! #xubuntu-devel 2011-04-06 <Aquina> 'lo <charlie-tca> Good morning <PsynoKhi0> hi <PsynoKhi0> erm sorry can't remember the exact name of the package for the bug report against the terminal font... was it xfce-default-settings? <charlie-tca> xubuntu-default-settings <PsynoKhi0> ah thanks <PsynoKhi0> submitted <PsynoKhi0> bug #752886 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 752886 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "XFCE terminal font appears bigger than other text" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/752886 <PsynoKhi0> wow nice! :D <charlie-tca> Easy, right? <PsynoKhi0> Quite streamlined indeed #xubuntu-devel 2011-04-07 <micahg> mr_pouit: xubuntu seems to have regressed (no education menu, internet menu became network) <micahg> s/education menu/education menu icon/ <mr_pouit> yeah, confirmed :/ <mr_pouit> I probably dropped too many patches from garcon <mr_pouit> although I checked everything was upstream <mr_pouit> sigh <mr_pouit> bah, no, it's one commit upstream <mr_pouit> http://git.xfce.org/xfce/garcon/commit/?id=799e206b6780ee6bab2bb56debf8412dca0346f5 breaks the menu file choice <mr_pouit> micahg: Bug #753274 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 753274 in garcon (Ubuntu) "Incorrect menu file chosen" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/753274 <micahg> mr_pouit: thanks <charlie-tca> Good morning <Aquina> hello charlie! :-) <charlie-tca> Hello, Aquina <ochosi> charlie-tca: is there anyone to take care of xubuntu-docs? <charlie-tca> Book em dano got the together, they should be ready for natty <mr_pouit> if they are ready, I'll upload <mr_pouit> when is the meeting? <charlie-tca> 19:00 UTC <charlie-tca> 3 hours <mr_pouit> eh, okay <ochosi> charlie-tca: nice <ochosi> sry guys, i can't attend the meeting today (friend's birthday) <ochosi> but i guess i don't have many news anyway <knome> i don't know if i can attend either... <ochosi> * icon-theme was updated to fix gdm, xfce-panel-plugins etc. <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 60 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings <beardygnome> charlie-tca: is the xubuntu meeting still un the ubuntu-meeting room? <Unit193> beardygnome: Yes, it's in #ubuntu-meeting <knome> beardygnome, starts in 45mins <beardygnome> cool, thanks <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 8 minutes, or when TB finishes theirs. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings <pleia2> charlie-tca: no updates from me (I'm alone at the office today, so can't particpate in meting) <charlie-tca> okay <pleia2> oh, I nudged canonical on that ticket, no reply <pleia2> for wordpress <charlie-tca> We will be looking at better metting day and time, Maybe I need to send an email out for that. <charlie-tca> Thanks for following up with canonicla <charlie-tca> um, canonical, even <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I forgot the hard freeze for natty date - Beta 2 freeze - 4/11 (at UTC 09:00 ) - hard freeze <micahg> oh, it's UTC 09:00 <micahg> ? <charlie-tca> Unseeded Universe/Multiverse Freeze - 4/26 (at UTC 12:00) <charlie-tca> yeah <charlie-tca> times seem to move around <charlie-tca> any other freeze we need? kernel and main? <charlie-tca> Main/Seeded Final Freeze 14 days (4/14->4/28) <charlie-tca> but I don't have the time for that one <charlie-tca> should I ML the freeze dates/ times? <Unit193> I take it it's fine to subscribe to the dev ML to just watch and know what's going on? (I just did) <knome> Unit193, of course. <Unit193> I'm at all the meetings and in here all the time, but was missing all the stuff put out on the ML <charlie-tca> yup, that is a good idea, then <Unit193> You sure did a good job on 11.04 (Testing the beta) <charlie-tca> We try harder, we are number 3 <charlie-tca> knome: email will go to ML for new times for meeting. <knome> charlie-tca, right, thanks #xubuntu-devel 2011-04-08 <gohai> hi <gohai> i am testing the xubuntu beta <gohai> and noticed that there is often a greyish rectangle below the new scrollbars <gohai> e.g. in gedit <gohai> is this something that you are well aware of <gohai> or worth filling a bug? <mr_pouit> I think I know what you're describing, but could yo make a screenshot? <mr_pouit> *you <gohai> sure <mr_pouit> you can put temporary images on imagebin, or similar I think <gohai> will upload.. sec <gohai> put it here: http://sukzessiv.net/x120e/gedit-scrollbars.png <mr_pouit> mmh, this doesn't look like a resize grip <mr_pouit> ochosi: http://sukzessiv.net/x120e/gedit-scrollbars.png < do you know what's the grey rectangle below the scrollbar? <gohai> it's like the scrollbar gets the window height wrong <gohai> you know what package these fancy scrollbars belong to? i thought this would be overlay-scrollbar but that's not even installed here.. <mr_pouit> ah, these weird rectangles only appear when the window isn't maximised <mr_pouit> and only in abiword and gedit so far <mr_pouit> mmh, no, I just had them in the Appearance settings dialog also <mr_pouit> gohai: from the gtk theme <mr_pouit> (greybird) <charlie-tca> Good morning <gohai> yeah, I see them in the Appearance settings as well <ochosi> mr_pouit: i think those rectangles are leftovers of the "resize-grip" patch by ubuntu <ochosi> mr_pouit: they didn't appear before that, and they're not present in maverick <ochosi> mr_pouit: don't think i can do anything about that in the gtk-theme <mr_pouit> yay <mr_pouit> gohai: try to file a bug against gtk+2.0 then <gohai> in ubuntu launchpad that is? <mr_pouit> 99.9% probability it'll be marked as invalid, but that's worth trying anyway <mr_pouit> yes please <mr_pouit> hey charlie-tca ochosi <charlie-tca> here, finally <mr_pouit> gohai: (different topic) and for xfce4-volumed, I'll upload 0.1.12 as it only contains the bugfix for your issue, thanks for filing the bug report <gohai> thanks a lot! <charlie-tca> dangers of starting too early with Natty; got used to the resize grips and grey squares <gohai> filled as 754656 <charlie-tca> bug 754656 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 754656 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) "greyish rectangle visible below scrollbar in various applications (gedit, etc)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/754656 <gohai> another question: <gohai> i did a safe-upgrade one or two days ago <gohai> and now the settings menu is filled with loads of configuration dialogs <gohai> most of which are also accessible through Settings Manager <gohai> was this an intentional? <mr_pouit> gohai: what's the version of garcon on your system? <mr_pouit> (dpkg -l libgarcon-1-0) <gohai> 0.1.6-0ubuntu1 <mr_pouit> fixed in 0.1.6-0ubuntu2 <gohai> awesome <gohai> mr_pouit: that worked, looks clean now again <charlie-tca> gohai: are you running natty? <gohai> jep <charlie-tca> Normally, when running the development release, it is best to update every day. There are many changes happening fast. <charlie-tca> I watch #ubuntu+1, and if people are not complaining a lot about not being able to restart or login, I update. <gohai> :) <charlie-tca> Most of the problems reported do not actually happen to Xubuntu+1, for which I am grateful. <gohai> like it a lot so far <gohai> I haven't used xfce at all before <gohai> time for one more question: <gohai> I see issues with a lot of panels having their settings not saved when I exit <gohai> for example I am currently unable to set a keyboard shortcut to change the keyboard layout <mr_pouit> xfce4-xkb-plugin is particularly buggy <gohai> is this a very known bug or should I report for the instances where it matters to me? <gohai> but desperately needed here ;) <mr_pouit> if you can describe a reliable way to reproduce the crash, or if you have a gdb trace, or if apport is telling you xkb-plugin crashed, then you can file a bug on launchpad indeed <gohai> bug 754656 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 754656 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) "greyish rectangle visible below scrollbar in various applications (gedit, etc)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/754656 <gohai> "how is this a gtk issue?" <charlie-tca> Because it was a change to gtk that added the resize grips to all windows, and this is a left-over from that change. <gohai> can i reply this explanation from you? <mr_pouit> I replied already <gohai> thanks <gohai> sorry for raising that fuss ;( <mr_pouit> no, it's seb128, it's usual ;-) <charlie-tca> yup <charlie-tca> should we refer seb128 to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelOops#Submitting%20a%20Kernel%20Oops%20Bug%20Report ? <charlie-tca> no <charlie-tca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/704105 <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 704105 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) "Resize grip always appears in bottom right of GTK+2.0 windows" [Low,Confirmed] <scott-work> hello, i based the latest plymouth-theme-ubuntustudio on xubuntu's plymouth theme and am now having trouble with it <scott-work> this isn't to imply that this is xubuntu's fault in any way :) it's mine for being ignorant <scott-work> but i was wondering if anyone might have some suggestions on how to fix it <scott-work> basically it used to work but has now quit - it now longer displays the graphics or animation, but rather only shows a baby blue screen <scott-work> any help (even pointing me towards another person) would be extremely helpful <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: added the gtk resize grip bug to the report for reference <mr_pouit> scott-work: tbh, I made the current theme in a hurry, probably by copying another one ;d <mr_pouit> so you should ask someone who actually knows something about plymouth, and that's not me, sorry :/ <scott-work> lol, thanks mr_pouit :) <scott-work> i did the ubuntustudio one in the same manner <ochosi> mr_pouit: btw, i noticed that resize-grip bug pretty early on, but since it seemed so hard to communicate with the team doing those changes i decided to focus on other things... <charlie-tca> The biggest thing I see with it is the grey squares/rectangles are a bit of an eyesore. <ochosi> yeah, it's not critical, but it's annoying, i agree <mr_pouit> ochosi: same, and I even forgot it ;> <charlie-tca> they don't really affect the function at all, and I think the one in gedit is intentional. I believe Ubuntu already modified gedit to have that rectangle, since without it, the resize grip covers the arrow #xubuntu-devel 2011-04-09 <pleia2> knome: there was a reply on the xubuntu.org ticket! <pleia2> but I'm in Puerto Rico all week on vacation, so feel free to take a lead with it this week if you get access * pleia2 won't be online much <knome> pleia2, i noticed that message, but he said the following week, so that might be next friday <knome> pleia2, anyway, have a nice holiday! <charlie-tca> Good morning <gohai> mr_pouit: cheers! <gohai> btw: anyone knows if one supposed to change xfce4-mixer "active-card" setting somewhere through the ui? (cause i had resport through the settings editor) #xubuntu-devel 2011-04-11 <Aquina> 'lo <micahg_> mr_pouit: FYI, pidgin 2.7.11 merged <charlie-tca> Good morning <charlie-tca> Beta2 testing this week; desktop images failed to build today <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: can we do anything to make sure we can build the desktop images tomorrow? <charlie-tca> <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek starting in 15 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom <micahg_> charlie-tca: FYI, pidgin 2.7.11 in natty now <charlie-tca> Thanks :-) <mr_pouit> I almost never use pidgin, but I guess this is a good thing ;-) <charlie-tca> I keep thinking I should learn pidgin, but it seems much harder than xchat <micahg_> well, there were a ton of bug fixes plus some security fixes, so I figured an update was in order <charlie-tca> Xubuntu 8.04 EOL is May 12 <charlie-tca> mr_pouit and ochosi : bug 757754 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 757754 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "On XUbuntu upgrade maverick->natty update manager offers to install the whole gnome (xubuntu-desktop recommends indicator-messages)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/757754 <charlie-tca> Does not seem right that upgrading forces the user to install Gnome, just because of indicator-messages <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: are we going to need to revert this change to indicators? * micahg_ isn't sure what the problem is, seems like just some libs <charlie-tca> the problem is the upgrade to natty attempted to install 250 gnome packages because the indicator-messages depends <mr_pouit> I don't think the problem is there actually <charlie-tca> on them <micahg_> seems to be indicator-applet that's causing the issues, it depends on gnome-panel <charlie-tca> I managed to get one of those maverick installs that won't even show me natty is available <charlie-tca> hm, are we installing that or did the user install that? <micahg_> err, it's installed through indicator-messages :( <micahg_> as a recommends <charlie-tca> Then that would be bad <charlie-tca> Thanks for looking at the bug, mr_pouit #xubuntu-devel 2011-04-12 <charlie-tca> Natty Narwhal Beta 2 Candidate testing starting tonight! Everyone invited - tracker is at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ <charlie-tca> tonight = now * Unit193 downloads <charlie-tca> syncing here, and started both upgrade tests again. Maybe I will get lucky and get them to work this time... <charlie-tca> We would like to see more than test for each one, too. <charlie-tca> Good morning <charlie-tca> I can now choose any Ubuntu or Xubuntu session after upgrading from maverick to natty <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: do we have a bug for adding two volume controls to the panel on upgrade? <charlie-tca> Got one on the panel and one in indicators <charlie-tca> (and I think they are both Gnome mixer/applet) <mr_pouit> yes, it's the same upgrade bg <mr_pouit> *bug <mr_pouit> bug 757754 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 757754 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "On XUbuntu upgrade maverick->natty update manager offers to install the whole gnome (xubuntu-desktop recommends indicator-messages)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/757754 <charlie-tca> We are getting tons of great positives for Natty <charlie-tca> <jibel> charlie-tca, I've seen positive feedback about xubuntu on the forums http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10667472&postcount=14 <charlie-tca> I see a lot on identi.ca too, more than we had for Maverick <charlie-tca> Ubuntu+1 also has real good posts about Xubuntu Natty <micahg_> charlie-tca: unfortunately, we're going to ship with Thunderbird 3.1.9 which will be EOL at release, but I"ll have the update ready on release day <micahg_> oops <micahg_> not EOL, but superceded <charlie-tca> It happens. When the changes hit too fast, they run out of time. <charlie-tca> Natty Beta2 desktop images tested good <charlie-tca> biggest issue at this point is the upgrade bug <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: the alternate image installer reverted to the pink and purple colors <charlie-tca> and we can live with that for the beta2 <charlie-tca> Okay, this is weird now; <charlie-tca> I made a mistake on the password, and the colors switched to the blue background <charlie-tca> but they only stayed that way for the password input, the next step, the background is purple again <charlie-tca> micahg: arm images built today <micahg> for xubuntu? <charlie-tca> nope <charlie-tca> the only thing I see is Ubuntu Headless armel+omap3 <micahg> ugh, so I guess we'll try for next cycle? <charlie-tca> sure * micahg thinks xubuntu should do well on arm <charlie-tca> Always a chance we will get it done <mr_pouit> bah, I don't know. Try to ping Dustin Kirkland so he can fix the color mess he introduced after Feature Freeze <charlie-tca> no problem <charlie-tca> Like I said, we are okay for the beta2, <charlie-tca> we can try to fix the mess Friday. <knome> mr_pouit, lol <mr_pouit> eh, sorry, but I already made two uploads for that, tried several terminal emulators, told him that his color scheme sucks (except on gnome-terminal), and he ignored me <charlie-tca> No problem, I will track him down when I get a chance. Maybe tomorrow. <charlie-tca> Something happened along the way, since we had our own colors for beta1 * charlie-tca thinks Ubuntu makes changes, decides they won't affect us, and when they do, pretend it did not <charlie-tca> <drc> charlie-tca: Congrats to you and all the xubuntu team...11.04b1 looks as solid as it acts (so far :-) #xubuntu-devel 2011-04-13 <charlie-tca> Good morning <charlie-tca> Fresh Natty install on hardware; all drive partitions are now listed as removable devices and will be on the desktop <ochosi> charlie-tca: that's the expected behaviour <charlie-tca> sure wasn't expected by me <charlie-tca> I really can't remove them <ochosi> yeah, i don't think there's a way you can <charlie-tca> and I don't really like them on the desktop full time <charlie-tca> When I insert a cd or usb drive, yes, I want to see it, but I don't need to see my 10 partitions on my hard drive full time <charlie-tca> ochosi: panel fonts in natty are really tiny <charlie-tca> (top panel) <charlie-tca> I know the panel size requires small fonts, but, are those smaller than 10pt? <ochosi> about thunar: i'd suggest filing a bug upstream <charlie-tca> yeah, I have to think about it <ochosi> about fonts: at least not intentionally <ochosi> would you mind up-ing a quick screenshot? <charlie-tca> Let me check them on a bigger monitor, maybe this laptoip <ochosi> in fact the font-sizes are determined by the dpi ubuntu sets <charlie-tca> laptop screen might be too small <ochosi> and dpi depends on your screen-resolution <charlie-tca> yup <charlie-tca> 1280 X 800 on a 15" lcd? <charlie-tca> No wonder they look tiny to me <charlie-tca> I think there was a bug about the drives and partitions not showing on the desktop, so maybe this is a fix for that. <ochosi> with the same res on my 13'' screen the fonts look totally fine <charlie-tca> (but I still won't like it) <charlie-tca> You got good eyes <ochosi> not sure, the thing is that the local partitions are all handled by gio, so i'm not sure how easy it would even be to fix it in thunar <charlie-tca> snapshotting the screen <ochosi> e.g. you see the same behavior wrt partitions already in maverick in the "open file" dialog <ochosi> that one is gtk-builtin and uses gio <charlie-tca> but these aren't in "open file". They are on the desktop at all times <ochosi> are you sure? <charlie-tca> yes <ochosi> at iirc it's the same behavior <ochosi> ok, then maybe not, i'd have to check to be sure <charlie-tca> I am sure I am looking at the desktop, and I am sure I see all the partitions <ochosi> (and i'm @work so i can't) <charlie-tca> and I am sure they take a whole column on my de4 <charlie-tca> desktop <ochosi> try "open file" in some app <ochosi> e.g. when setting a new desktop-wallpaper <charlie-tca> will that make them go away from the desktop? <ochosi> after hitting the "+" the open file dialog should show all your local partitions on the left <ochosi> just as in thunar <charlie-tca> I don't want them on my desktop. I don't care if they are in thunar <ochosi> you can only make all "removable" devices disappear from the desktop, so as i said before, it's not fixable in the way you want to fix them <ochosi> (meaning: all your other removable devices, like usb-sticks etc. would also not show on the desktop) <charlie-tca> That's my point. They should show in thunar. But why do I have a whole column of drives on the desktop now? <ochosi> ah right, so you'd prefer differing behavior in thunar and xfdesktop? <ochosi> but really, i think you should file a bug upstream <ochosi> i vaguely remember this issue being discussed before in #xfce-dev, but i think no-one really cared enough about it in the end <ochosi> k, g2g now, have a nice evening/day/morning everyone <charlie-tca> http://imagebin.org/147976 <ochosi> right, that's totally the normal/expected font-size <charlie-tca> Okay <ochosi> same font-size as on desktop-icons <charlie-tca> They look smaller on the screen <charlie-tca> but it is probably my eyes with that screen <ochosi> probably <ochosi> zooming in on 100% here it really looks ok <ochosi> good to see that the slideshow is there :) <charlie-tca> That's why I asked. You know me and seeing things <ochosi> sure, thanks for asking though. could've just as well been a bug <charlie-tca> better that *I* ask first on that kind of thing <ochosi> yep :) <ochosi> anyhow, really gotta run now <charlie-tca> Thanks <ochosi> no problemo <ochosi> see you around #xubuntu-devel 2011-04-14 <abra> hi all <charlie-tca> Good morning <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: do we have any kind of workaround for the upgrade issue? <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: yes, install xfce4-indicator-plugin before the upgrade <charlie-tca> Thanks. I will try to get that into release notes. <mr_pouit> so it shouldn't autoselect indicator-applet and create the ugly mess we know. <charlie-tca> I was hoping that was it. I have an upgrade running to test that <charlie-tca> Can cody-somerville help us with that mess? <mr_pouit> I'm waiting for a reply to the bug report to know what to do exactly :} <charlie-tca> Okay <charlie-tca> Thanks! <charlie-tca> My workspaces all came out to two in both upgrades and fresh installs this time around! <micahg> charlie-tca: mr_pouit mayve a pre-depends on the indicator-plugin? <charlie-tca> Installing xfce4-indicator-plugin before upgrading worked <mr_pouit> urg, pre-depends <mr_pouit> no, I think a depends should be enough (in xubuntu-desktop) <micahg> mr_pouit: doesn't it already have a depends? <mr_pouit> no, recommends <micahg> ah, ok <charlie-tca> hm, I have to say, much as I may not care to use it, unity is shaping up into something very nice. <charlie-tca> I guess I like to change things more than Ubuntu wants me to. <charlie-tca> and I would add, if we ever go to those miniature scroll bars, we are in trouble! <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: cjwatson took care of the colors issue on the alternate cd <charlie-tca> Natty Narwhal Beta 2 is released! Great job on this one, and thank you for all the hard work that went into it! <mr_pouit> \o/ * Unit193 Can't wait 'til final <charlie-tca> two more weeks ... :-) * charlie-tca will probably go half crazy by then, too <Unit193> I have an Xubuntu box that the HD died, /me needs to reinstall <charlie-tca> Grab the beta2 image and go for it <charlie-tca> We will not make very many changes to it. (but ubuntu will, I am sure) <Unit193> As long as it doesn't change much, why not? <charlie-tca> Unit193: if you install now, and keep it updated, you do not have to reinstall for the final. <ochosi> hey everyone, just wanted to say i'm leaving for holidays and i'll be back just in time for the release <ochosi> so have a nice (bugfree :) ) two weeks <charlie-tca> Enjoy your time! <charlie-tca> Thanks for your efforts making natty great :-) <ochosi> thanks, will do <ochosi> 't'was a pleasure * ochosi out #xubuntu-devel 2011-04-15 <vinnl> Hi charlie-tca, is it time for another news message? :) <vinnl> charlie-tca, I went ahead and created it just to be sure: http://xubuntu.org/news/natty/beta-2 <charlie-tca> y <Unit193> Xubuntu B2 downloaded just fine <charlie-tca> and works really nice, too #xubuntu-devel 2011-04-16 <Unit193> Idiot question: Will the installer theme be changed? (It's the old Ubuntu one) <charlie-tca> most likely, no, not at this late time in the cycle. <Unit193> Dang! Scroll Lock is still broken... #xubuntu-devel 2011-04-18 <charlie-tca> Good morning <mark76> Afternoon <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: installed 32bit yesterday, 64bit today. both alternate and desktop each day, working as far as installs. <charlie-tca> will test maverick to natty upgrade today, mvo said
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