#ubuntu-ops 2007-08-03 * Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-ops.log (jussi01/#ubuntu-ops) also in #ubuntu+1 <GazzaK> mneptok, I have a better /part message, just for you <ubotu> alecwh called the ops in #ubuntu * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Seveas] by ChanServ <Seveas> !staff <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, BearPerson or ompaul! I could use a bit of your time :) <jenda> huh <Seveas> #ubuntu -- leaked pass, someone abuses it * jenda thwacks Seveas with a staff <jenda> ugh <jenda> let's see <Seveas> please see who's ghosting transcript and kline the bastard <jenda> ok <jenda> in the meantime... change the pass! <jenda> :) <jenda> Seveas: oh, transcript's pass, not the channel pass? <Seveas> yeah <jenda> good <jenda> Seveas: do we have any way of recognising the original 'transcript'? <Seveas> no <jenda> hmm <jenda> he hasn't been ghosted, Seveas <Seveas> then he's just being annoying <Seveas> thanks for investigating <jenda> np <jenda> Seveas: there is something weird, though. <Seveas> jenda, that's only in the mirror <jenda> hehe * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Hobbsee] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v ompaul] by ChanServ <ompaul> see the new topic in #ubuntu (and my many typos) I added the bit about the Planned Launchpad downtime Sunday 4am - 9am * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Amaranth] by ChanServ <ubotu> In #kubuntu, nicolai_ said: !no KDE4 is KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at <http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule>. Beta 1 packages can be found at <http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php>. * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v thoreauputic] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v PriceChild] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v jrib] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v PriceChild] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v PriceChild] by ChanServ <ubotu> Pici called the ops in #ubuntu <ubotu> CheshireViking called the ops in #ubuntu <ubotu> Pici called the ops in #ubuntu <Pici> Sorry for the ops-spam, I didnt realize there were ops watching the channel <thoreauputic> Pici: tend to just op when needed :) <ompaul> Pici, no harm though cos if they were not they will now :) <ompaul> etc <ompaul> etc <ompaul> etc <Pici> etc <ompaul> thats the one, I knew I was missing something <ompaul> humidity 65% and 23oC <thoreauputic> luxury! <ompaul> two computers no a/c in the small room I am in <ompaul> thoreauputic, unlike where you live this is too hot for here <thoreauputic> :) <thoreauputic> 9 degrees here atm <ompaul> cool ;-) <thoreauputic> indeed :) <ompaul> that is light cardi weather for us maybe even just a long sleeved shirt <pleia2> 28 here, and headed to 35 * pleia2 mopes <thoreauputic> ompaul: yeah but you guys are tough ;p <Hobbsee> nice! <Hobbsee> 35 is a nice temperature <pleia2> Hobbsee: crazy woman <pleia2> luckily I have a window AC unit or it'd kill me :) <nalioth> Hobbsee: not in fahrenheit <ompaul> Hobbsee, you are the commander in chief of the long stick of doom, you can make your own fire <Seveas> 35F is a nicer temp than 35C <pleia2> Seveas: I agree <Seveas> I'd rather freeze than melt <ompaul> Seveas, +1 * thoreauputic guesses this has something to do with penguins <nalioth> yes, clothes can be added or subtracted, but you can't get out of your skin <Pici> At least when you're frozen you lose feeling.. <ompaul> nalioth, correction, you don't want to <pleia2> nalioth: unless you're sunburned :( * pleia2 coming out of some shoulder skin <pleia2> I hate the summer <ompaul> pleia2, then it happens automatically <pleia2> :) <GazzaK> 22 here, and really nice <Seveas> same here <Seveas> could be 23, don't shoot me over that <GazzaK> woo hometime * Hobbsee would prefer to be in 35C than F * Hobbsee is australian, though. <Hobbsee> Pici: yes, and so lose ability for fine finger control. it's not good <ompaul> someone want to tell this guy <phytonxz> in #ubuntu we don't do that <jrib> cold > hot * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v maxamillion] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v gnomefreak] by ChanServ <mneptok> holy mother of Seveas, it's Seveas! <Seveas> where? <mneptok> huh? <Seveas> que? <mneptok> dude? <mneptok> dude. <Seveas> dudette! <GazzaK> mneptok, I have a surprise for you <mneptok> GazzaK: is it slippery? * Seveas protexts his eyes from the "surprise" * nalioth offers Seveas a red hot poker <GazzaK> hehe <Pici> Is it a bigger than a breadbox? <GazzaK> it's a new /part msg * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+o Seveas] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-ops [-o Seveas] by ChanServ <GazzaK> appropriate <Seveas> indeed <Seveas> very emo * nalioth has a part message for gazzak <mneptok> GazzaK: why not just remove the # from the channel name? <GazzaK> it's a monty python sketch <nalioth> [gazzak has quit. K-lined] <Seveas> heh <Seveas> [Gazzak has quit: Killed by nalioth for emo-ness] <GazzaK> meh <mneptok> GazzaK: is it slippery yet? <GazzaK> very <ubotu> ConstyXIV called the ops in #ubuntu <ubotu> In #ubuntu, SoulPropagatio1 said: !ops transcript is spamming <elkbuntu> nalioth, the transcript things are back <palintheus> I just tried to join #ubuntu and I was banned, just wondering why. <Amaranth> elkbuntu: i think you banned the wrong person <Seveas> palintheus, try@*.cox.net is banned (and won't be unbanned) due to trolling <Seveas> trey@*.cox.net <elkbuntu> * transcript ({{EMAIL+PHONE}}) has left #ubuntu (requested by elkbuntu) <elkbuntu> Amaranth, no, i did not <stdin> all @*cox.net seems to be trolls <Amaranth> oh i was doing cleanup from the last one <Amaranth> didn't see that <Amaranth> stdin: hey! <Seveas> stdin, heh :) <elkbuntu> stdin, and all wanadoo.fr are spammers <stdin> hey :) <jenda> gargh, doesn't work <Seveas> wanadoo.fr... yuck <jenda> elkbuntu: do you use autobleh? <jenda> (+irssi) <Seveas> NotAmaranth, liar <jenda> Seveas: you mean wannabe.fr? :) <NotAmaranth> stdin: --- [NotAmaranth] (craighoward@example.net) : Travis Watkins <NotAmaranth> :D <elkbuntu> jenda, i use seveas' script-fu, yeah <palintheus> Cox is my ISP, and I haven't trolled to my knowledge... <jenda> elkbuntu: in irssi? <Seveas> elkbuntu, autobleh isn't my script-fu <elkbuntu> jenda, heck no <jenda> haha <jenda> ok <jenda> any ubuntu ops using irssi? <jenda> :) <jenda> damn <gnomefreak> yes <gnomefreak> always <Seveas> palintheus, another trey has, so if you want to join #ubuntu, please change your ident <elkbuntu> i like pointy-clicky too much to do irc in irssi <jenda> a few weeks ago I'd be asking "any staffers using xchat?" <jenda> elkbuntu: screen+irssi had me convinced. <stdin> Amaranth: I say that because I've seen about 5 people with that hostname and most (if not all) have been torlls <jenda> gnomefreak: what do you use for autobanning? <Seveas> stdin, same goos for wanadoo.fr and spamming <Amaranth> stdin: cox is one of the biggest cable providers in the US <gnomefreak> auto_bleh <gnomefreak> jenda: /abr nick <jenda> gnomefreak: and /ab *@* works? <jenda> aaah <jenda> no <jenda> that's not the cause <gnomefreak> bans and removes <Seveas> or *.versanet.de and trolls <elkbuntu> jenda, apparantly one can use bip or something to do the same work as screen can do, but i havent bothered with that <stdin> Amaranth: well, all @cox.cox.net anyway <jenda> gnomefreak: can you please join ##jenda for a sec? :) <elkbuntu> (in terms of irc anyway) <jenda> elkbuntu: I used to work that way. <jenda> elkbuntu: it's good <jenda> but screen+irssi is just a much cleaner solution. <elkbuntu> but there's no pointy-clicky <Seveas> get a gun, you can point and click at kangaroos :) <Amaranth> bip is a bouncer <Amaranth> or whatever they call those <Amaranth> it's a proxy <Amaranth> irssi can be a proxy too, if you load the module <jenda> indeed <jenda> but irssi doesn't need it, thanks to screen <jenda> or... you mean... irssi serving as a proxy for xchat? <jenda> that sounds interesting. <Pici> irssi's proxy can only proxy to one irc server at a time though <macogw> can someone test me for the DCC exploit? <PriceChild> macogw, You may rejoin #ubuntu <ompaul> !gutsy <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+1 <Pici> Thinking of cleaning that up? <macogw> my sound disappeared so now i actually do need to use that channel <ompaul> there is need for a change in it <ompaul> how about <PriceChild> I suggest something very small like. Gutsy Gibbon 7.10 will be the next release of Ubuntu. It is not currently stable and you should wait until October. Support in #ubuntu+1 <Pici> Something like that would be good. <ompaul> PriceChild, I was looking at more verbose stuff but real NO NOT HERE stuff <ompaul> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support in #ubuntu+1 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Specs: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy <ompaul> maybe too verbose <ompaul> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 <ompaul> !no gutsy is <reply> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, ompaul said: !no gutsy is <reply> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 <PriceChild> That last one is good <ompaul> !no gutsy is Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, ompaul said: !no gutsy is Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 <PriceChild> login!!! :) <ompaul> @btlogin <ompaul> !no gutsy is Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 <ubotu> I'll remember that ompaul <PriceChild> the other one <ompaul> !botsnack <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT! <PriceChild> how random... <Pici> ... <Pici> ompaul: See anything wrong with this :) <Pici> !gutsy <ubotu> gutsy is Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 <PriceChild> !no gutsy is <reply> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, PriceChild said: !no gutsy is <reply> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 <PriceChild> @login <PriceChild> fixed <Pici> yay <auTONYmous> please test... <ompaul> whoot I can test even if my brain is switched off <ompaul> sorted <ubotu> xtknight called the ops in #ubuntu <ubotu> husky called the ops in #ubuntu <Seveas> ompaul, poke <ompaul> murder over tcp/ip is covered by what RFC Seveas ? <Seveas> 1337 of course <ompaul> hahah <ompaul> yeah yeah yeah <Seveas> ompaul, could you do some freenode magic to make infinity owner of #ubuntu-server and reset the password for him? <ompaul> Seveas, I will have that dood in a few moments for ya <Seveas> you rock like UFO <ompaul> na UFO rocks I love rockin! <ompaul> Seveas, infinity has been informed <Seveas> gracias <ompaul> pas de problem <Seveas> problme <ompaul> :P * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v gnomefreak] by ChanServ <ubotu> In #ubuntu, jetscreamer said: ubotu: blootbots is <reply> better than infobots... * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v rob] by ChanServ <ubotu> vocx called the ops in #ubuntu <nalioth> Seveas: you about? <Seveas> yes <nalioth> got a minute for PM? <Seveas> ubotu, list <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots <nalioth> ubotu: botsnack <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT! #ubuntu-ops 2007-08-04 * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v PriceChild] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Burgundavia] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v _jason] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v tritium] by ChanServ <effie_jayx> !lart <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lart - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi <effie_jayx> :O <effie_jayx> no lart <nalioth> effie_jayx: want to try for !kick ? <nalioth> :P <effie_jayx> nalioth, I pass ;) <nalioth> effie_jayx: try in one of the -offtopic channels <effie_jayx> nalioth, nah ... I'd rather be in an elevator with a loose epileptic monkey and a razorblade his hands... than go explore in offtopic <effie_jayx> :D <nalioth> effie_jayx: you shouldn't talk about mneptok that way <effie_jayx> lol <effie_jayx> nalioth, shhhh you'll wake himm... <ubotu> Flannel called the ops in #ubuntu <nalioth> yes, he did <ubotu> Pelo called the ops in #ubuntu <nalioth> so he did <assasukasse> someone wants to test me? <nalioth> test you? <assasukasse> yup <nalioth> what's the square root of 4? <assasukasse> 2 <nalioth> ok, looks good to me <assasukasse> try to join #ubuntu and see what they wrote <assasukasse> to change the port to 8001 <assasukasse> and then come here to test <nalioth> oh that test <assasukasse> actually ubuntu is totally desert <assasukasse> so what should i do <nalioth> i'm not seeing a ban for you in #ubuntu <assasukasse> when i try to go there i am redirected to #ubuntu-read-topic <nalioth> there is it <nalioth> you can join #ubuntu now, and thanks for your patience :) <assasukasse> nalioth: thanks nalioth <assasukasse> bye <effie_jayx> lol @ test <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu <effie_jayx> nalioth, can I get tested? <nalioth> aaahhhh, nixternal the hard worker <nalioth> effie_jayx: can dogs see in color? <nixternal> my stupid script didn't quiet him <nixternal> damn the luck <nalioth> it did <nixternal> he talked right after I did it <effie_jayx> nalioth, no they don't <effie_jayx> :D <nalioth> nixternal: you're lagged <nixternal> mode +q $* <nalioth> nixternal: you did it <nixternal> OK * nixternal gets back to motu'ing <nalioth> now go ahead and unquiet him <nixternal> I already did <nalioth> +q is a waste, a /remove works wonders <effie_jayx> nalioth, seriously, test me... <nalioth> effie_jayx: test you for what? <effie_jayx> nalioth, I dunno .. you test people.... test me <effie_jayx> hehehe <nalioth> as you wish <nalioth> happy now? <effie_jayx> nalioth, heh... what was that? <nalioth> effie_jayx: the exploit test <effie_jayx> I received an errouneous DCC request... <nalioth> effie_jayx: yup, you did <effie_jayx> thanks <nalioth> effie_jayx: if you had a crap router, you'd have dropped <effie_jayx> nalioth, why is it that you sometimes take people to another channel <effie_jayx> to test them <effie_jayx> is there a security problem? <nalioth> effie_jayx: we used to do that <nalioth> now we just do it like i just did <effie_jayx> I see <effie_jayx> thanks :D <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu <nixternal> PASTE ALERT <nixternal> 23:31:53 [ dem0n] so if ur getting in middle of it to ill brg ur name up to because this is bull shit <nixternal> 23:32:05 [nixternal] enjoy your ban <nixternal> 23:32:10 [nixternal] bring my name up, I could care less <nixternal> <nixternal> 23:32:17 [ dem0n] enjoy ur gline <nixternal> DAMN <nixternal> oops...I meant to give you 2 lines <nixternal> he is going to gline me <nixternal> haha <tonyyarusso> lol <nixternal> I gave him the chance to get unbanned..I told him to watch the stfu's and the bickering...and then he came out with that * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Madpilot] by ChanServ <Music_Shuffle> Hi. <Music_Shuffle> Anyone around? >.> <tonyyarusso> Music_Shuffle: I am - what's up? <Music_Shuffle> tonyyarusso, can we talk in PM real quick? <tonyyarusso> Music_Shuffle: certainly * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v ompaul] by ChanServ <elkbuntu> Seveas, dude, you need to add ops to the 'dont backfire' list. It gives the trolls way more joy than they deserve when it happens <elkbuntu> ompaul, seconds my idea : <ompaul> elkbuntu, so it appears and I did not know you even had that idea ;-) <tonyyarusso> the what list? <ompaul> ubotu do not backfire 25% of the time when you lart someone <Amaranth> it backfires like 99% of the time <elkbuntu> yeah, no kidding <Amaranth> ompaul: why not? :) <elkbuntu> ompaul, btw, hexstar is almost run out of good luck. he's spent the past few days being a borderline troll in -offtopic <Amaranth> elkbuntu: and #ubuntu <elkbuntu> yeah <Amaranth> well, in #ubuntu it was blatant disregard for the rules on offtopic conversation <elkbuntu> i havent been paying any attention to there <Amaranth> i kicked him 3 times <elkbuntu> Amaranth, he has the memory of a goldfish. so far he's been told who seveas is like 3 times <Amaranth> i guess he moved to -offtopic now <elkbuntu> that *i* have witnessed <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: I _just_ realized that I had a script snafu. I did an /abr hexstar a few minutes ago, but it seems it never actually took care of him.... Now I'd just look silly, but the second there's anything resembling cause feel free. <elkbuntu> noodl3 isnt a whole lot better either * tonyyarusso grumbles off to bed - watch those clowns for me <Amaranth> arg now -offtopic is going crazy <flaccid> evening. im trying to evaluate a ban on myself for #kubuntu <flaccid> it was set a few months ago for a stupid reason and i would like it to be lifted as i was a valuable helper in this channel <flaccid> can anybody address my problem? <Burgundavia> not a Kubuntu op, sorry <flaccid> where do i go for that? <bbrazil> flaccid: here. Try a again a bit later maybe? The person who set the ban would be best <flaccid> that person is never on <flaccid> ive tried persistantly <flaccid> would like some action <flaccid> not words <flaccid> heh <flaccid> sux <Seveas> elkbuntu, re: backfire: good idea <elkbuntu> Seveas, thanks :) <elkbuntu> trolls dont deserve smugness <Seveas> http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html <Seveas> PWN3D <Seveas> !ops <ubotu> Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti or mneptok <Seveas> ^^ <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-ops * rob looks <elkbuntu> Seveas, yeah. rocks, huh :) <rob> sup? <Myrtti_> huh <elkbuntu> rob, matthew garrett pwned automatix in an audit <rob> elkbuntu, what, it sucked? <Seveas> it now officially sucks :) <rob> elkbuntu, to be honest I have looked at the code, and it sucks <elkbuntu> rob, of course, and he details every single reason why <elkbuntu> right down to 'this could make your system unbootable because it fucks with fstab <rob> there are a whole bunch of functions for functions sake in there.. <rob> and no place to download the code from a repo either, you can just download the package and go though the pythons scripts <rob> but I haven't gone as far as to audit it :) <Seveas> !automatix <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe and http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html <jenda> Seveas: :) <rob> !worksforme <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. <rob> ah <jenda> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Automatix_Is_Actively_Dangerous_to_Systems <jenda> digg it, too <elkbuntu> jenda, there's two of them going <jenda> I know <jenda> this one is better :) <Seveas> off, birthday <jenda> happy bday, meguesses <rob> acutally, now having read over it, I've noticed some of those problems too <rob> there are calls to sleep everywhere for no good reason <rob> I submitted it to /. :) <rob> bah I spelt actively wrong in the title :( <rob> oh well * elkbuntu blogs a response * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v PriceChild] by ChanServ <jenda> elkbuntu: link us, please :) * PriceChild is annoyed as he can't log onto gmail after switching isp <elkbuntu> hmm... firefox need some necromancy, so just go to geekosophical.net <elkbuntu> PriceChild, wtf? * rob also sent an email to a local mag that has been recommending the use of Automatix <elkbuntu> rob, someone should also send one to Mr Dell <rob> elkbuntu, heh yep <elkbuntu> since they now boast about him on their website <PriceChild> elkbuntu, whether its connected or not I don't know... but I can't use their fancy webmail since switching. On any computer on the network. I can log into "standard" or "mobile" which then break quickly... and i can pop/smtp but that's it. <elkbuntu> PriceChild, time to lart the isp people then * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v thoreauputic] by ChanServ <PriceChild> I just tried creating a random new google account to give give someone else the login to, to see if it'd work for them but wasn't happennening. <PriceChild> I wouldn't have thought the isp could affect this though... its wierd. <PriceChild> Someone fix it for me please :( <mc44> PriceChild: probably a broken cache at the isp <mc44> or something <mc44> PriceChild: maybe try https://mail.google.com/mail <PriceChild> mc44, I've tried it all.... <mc44> https? <PriceChild> yes <mc44> ah, you lose then ;) <PriceChild> mc44, grrrrr where've you hidden our phone? <mc44> PriceChild: down the back of the sofa <PriceChild> the world is afainst me <PriceChild> hehe the voice telling you what buttons to press is cockney <elkbuntu> whoa. that was BIG <thoreauputic> oh my ... <PriceChild> had a couple of those lately <PriceChild> tomaw, hope that was ok to +rR again, didn't see you taking it off sorry <tomaw> PriceChild: fine by me <tomaw> I took it off to see if they were still there and spamming :) <PriceChild> looks like they've all been following into -unregged for you anyway :) <tomaw> aye :) <tomaw> they're still connecting, so I suggest keeping it +r for a while <PriceChild> "KenSentMe" in -offtopic rings a bell.... <thoreauputic> indeed <PriceChild> @btlogin <PriceChild> bt says not :) * ompaul looks at the automatix factoid and thinks it is toooooo generous <elkbuntu> hehe <elkbuntu> ompaul, unfortunately, we still have to maintain a level of diplomacy due to the CoC <ompaul> elkbuntu, I can be diplomatic and twice as evil as the one that is there <ompaul> I'll submit it to you all for checking in a few mins <elkbuntu> sure * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Hobbsee] by ChanServ <ompaul> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, at times it fails breaking systems. We don't provide support for it. For its issues we suggest reading this http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html and then /msg ubotu worksforme <tomaw> Looks safe to remove rR now, any objections? <ompaul> shorter and much sharper * ompaul goes again <ompaul> tomaw, more than 10 mins? <PriceChild> I -R's earlier... seems ok <PriceChild> *'d * ompaul goes for shorter <Hobbsee> oh nice, the CC came up with afiew! <Hobbsee> * a veiw <Hobbsee> *view <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, not CC, TB <Hobbsee> ....zomg wow. <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, and it's still only preliminary <ompaul> Automatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails breaking systems. We don't provide support for it. For its issues we suggest reading this http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (maybe its authors will address them over time) and then /msg ubotu worksforme * ompaul bites his fingers trying not to laugh <Hobbsee> i meant the TB <PriceChild> and its stated not as tb's announcement, but one member's opinion <Hobbsee> and it still does killall -9 dpkg. <elkbuntu> and killall -9 nautilus <elkbuntu> meanwhile, hobbsee just missed a killer botnet <ompaul> Automatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails breaking systems. We don't provide support for it. One analysis is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (see also: /msg ubotu worksforme) <Hobbsee> wow. that's *seriously* impressive <Hobbsee> no wonder they dont give out sources unless they get badgered <ompaul> PriceChild, elkbuntu Hobbsee ^^ shall we do that one <Hobbsee> ompaul: i'd say "one credible analysis" <Hobbsee> or something along those lines <elkbuntu> Automatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it. One analysis is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (see also: /msg ubotu worksforme) <ompaul> okyay <PriceChild> elkbuntu, yeah that "and" or a comma is needed <Hobbsee> as in, say it's from an ubuntu/debian developer <elkbuntu> PriceChild, a comma there would be too many commas for readability <PriceChild> hehe <Hobbsee> as in, we want to say "this guy knows what he's talking about" <ompaul> Automatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails breaking systems. We don't provide support for it. One credible analysis is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html , (see also: /msg ubotu worksforme) <elkbuntu> Automatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it. An analysis from a long time debian/ubuntu developer is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (see also: /msg ubotu worksforme) <ompaul> PriceChild, you happy? <PriceChild> yup <ompaul> elkbuntu, I don't want the long time - that is spoken in the article <PriceChild> well not really.. as gmail isn't working... but happy with new factoid :) <ompaul> or that is explained <ompaul> Hobbsee, ditto on the why not to stick that long time ... <Hobbsee> ompaul: it needs to appaer more credible, so people believe that, instead of the automatix FAQ <ompaul> okay let me work on it <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, they're not even going to bother clicking if it's not credible to their eyes before they do <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: well, true <PriceChild> I have gone -r <ompaul> Automatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it. A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (see also: /msg ubotu worksforme) <ompaul> leaving out the long time <ompaul> the debian speaks for itself they don't promote people to dev without them having a long history <ompaul> if they need that much of a hand they need training at a level that IRC is not going to be useful for <Hobbsee> sounds sane <ompaul> ohh and the comma <ompaul> or make the see also a sentence <elkbuntu> oh joy, already a 'why are you so mean' response on my blog post <ompaul> Automatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it. A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme) <ompaul> !no automatix is Automatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it. A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme) <ubotu> I'll remember that ompaul <ompaul> there ya go <PriceChild> ompaul, you missed the <reply> <ompaul> However, in its current <ompaul> form Automatix is actively dangerous to systems - ranging from damage <ompaul> to small items of user configuration, through removing user-installed <ompaul> packages without adequate prompting or warning and up to the (small <ompaul> but existing) potential to leave a system in an unbootable state. <ompaul> !automatix <ubotu> automatix is Automatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it. A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme) <ompaul> !no automatix is <reply> Automatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it. A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme) <ubotu> I'll remember that ompaul <ompaul> PriceChild, I was wondering if you were awake ;-) * ompaul grins sheepishly <PriceChild> :) <ompaul> elkbuntu, which blog post are you commenting on <elkbuntu> http://www.geekosophical.net/?p=141 <elkbuntu> just let the comment through <ompaul> thanks <pleia2> elkbuntu: clearly he's never had to try to help someone whose computer was completely f00bared by it :\ <elkbuntu> pleia2, completely he never clicked the linkie * Hobbsee wonders evilly if automatix has an irc server <ompaul> Hobbsee, it don't <ompaul> be happy <Hobbsee> channel? * Hobbsee wonders about posting that link in there <ompaul> how hard is that <ompaul> troll * Hobbsee muhahahaha's <ompaul> of course you could say would the devs care to comment on that? <Hobbsee> of course <ompaul> you would just like to get both sides of the coin * ompaul is ni a funny humour <elkbuntu> im sure you can find some disposable proxy way of doing that :) <elkbuntu> theyre probably stupid enough to let ircatwork in <Hobbsee> yeah, well <thoreauputic> now now - be nice ;) <Hobbsee> i was thinking of a shell somewhere <Hobbsee> but an anon proxy would be even better <thoreauputic> only 4 people in #automatix, if that's the one - and topic unchanged since May <ompaul> tor <ompaul> usually I would not suggest it <elkbuntu> seriously though, enough of the silly talk. we're supposed to be good, law abiding people :) <ompaul> we are, but even the good can think bad thoughts :) <elkbuntu> well, it seems that the new 'automatix breaks things' article hasnt made it to their forums yet <thoreauputic> slashdot :) <evil grin> <elkbuntu> it' son there? <thoreauputic> no, just thinking ... <elkbuntu> rob already put it in the hose iirc <ompaul> thoreauputic, it is interesting enough to get high marks on /. <elkbuntu> it's up to light blue <thoreauputic> how does linux mint get around the legalities? I believe it installs a lot of this kind of stuff by default ? * elkbuntu just signed up to /. purely to vote it up <ompaul> thoreauputic, they ignore them <elkbuntu> thoreauputic, with a 'we dont care' attitude <thoreauputic> ompaul: uh huh - thought so <ompaul> woops I failed again * ompaul hides on thoreauputic <ompaul> back in a moment I have a blank CD here <thoreauputic> ? <thoreauputic> hahah <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: even doing what we're thinking, mentioning the existance of that link to the automatix people, and watching the reaction, isnt against the rules. * thoreauputic gets a strong coffee <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: it's not really a troll, as it's the truth, and they'll find out anyway <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, you volunteering? <Hobbsee> not as yet <thoreauputic> Hobbsee: yes, but doing it anonymously should not be done IMO <elkbuntu> i want to see him say 'The article in the above link does not have any technical merit. It is just another "I heard Jonathan from Ubuntu MOTU mention that Automatix fries your BIOS and vegetables" rant.' about mjg59 <thoreauputic> for those reasons <elkbuntu> that is his reaction to a recent 'bad' article about it <Hobbsee> thoreauputic: i'd imagine they'd ban whoever put it in there, and i'd kinda liek my regular client to be able to connect there, if ever needed. <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: oh boy - saying such about mjg would be an invitation to mass flaming <elkbuntu> http://www.getautomatix.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1417 <elkbuntu> thoreauputic, yes, bring popcorn? <thoreauputic> Hobbsee: I see your point <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: champagne? <ompaul> thoreauputic, <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, they're advocates of 'modfree.com' so that would be interesting <ompaul> thoreauputic, inx-9 is the latests? <ompaul> latest even <thoreauputic> ompaul: heh - well yes, so far <Hobbsee> heh <elkbuntu> thoreauputic, i was thinking a good dessert wine, but if you're up for bubbles ;) <thoreauputic> ompaul: there were about 25 before I casperised it a bit <ompaul> no worries, iterations are what it is all about <thoreauputic> ompaul: very much a work in progress though <ompaul> no sweat <elkbuntu> im laughing so hard at arnieboy now <elkbuntu> "Automatix does a lot more than what synaptic does. Synaptic is simply a GUI frontend for apt. Automatix uses apt and also installs non-debian packages. It also configures some software with the installation." <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: exactly! synaptic doesnt killall -9 dpkg! <Hobbsee> it's a feature! <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: laughing at arnieboy stopped being funny for me after the ubuntu-users thread he participated in <ompaul> he is persona non grata as far as I am concerned <thoreauputic> ompaul: ditto <ompaul> thoreauputic, s/participated/trolled <thoreauputic> ompaul: indeed - and badly too <thoreauputic> ompaul: it was quite sad <ompaul> yeap <elkbuntu> bwahahaha...http://digg.com/linux_unix/Automatix_Is_Actively_Dangerous_to_Systems <elkbuntu> popular 9 mins ago <elkbuntu> top of tech <elkbuntu> 2nd top on all <elkbuntu> bwahahahahahah! <Hobbsee> nice :D <Hobbsee> PriceChild: has that hit the forums yet? <elkbuntu> not yet according to search <Hobbsee> someone really should <elkbuntu> agreed. someone who is not me <elkbuntu> i really need to invest in a pay-as-you-go internet card thing <elkbuntu> : <Hobbsee> hehe :) <Hobbsee> this guy is not taking the bait, dammit... * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v jrib] by ChanServ * GazzaK giggles <ompaul> jrib, just so you don't get a surprise <ompaul> !automatix <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script which attempts to install some software, at times it fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it. A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme) <thoreauputic> apparently either tirofiban has a comprehension problem or didn't read the article... <ompaul> it is a little different <ompaul> jrib, suggest you have a look at that url <jrib> ompaul: thanks, I'm glad to see that <elkbuntu> jrib, it's the talk of the town all over <ompaul> jrib, well the last time I did a code review of automatix I felt sick in the pit of my stomach seems I would not like to do one again <elkbuntu> ompaul, thankfully, mr garrett did it for you :) * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Amaranth] by ChanServ <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: yeah, some people with that name are useful after all ;p <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, Toma- said: ubotu: !Toma is sexy <ompaul> elkbuntu, the aformentioned mjg59 rocks <elkbuntu> thoreauputic, yeah, the other mr garrett, and not the bald man who cant dance : * ompaul toma- <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, Toma- said: ubotu: !Toma is sexy << the bot ratted you out <ompaul> woops <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: umm - /whois thoreauputic in case you forgot :) <ompaul> me msg whats the diff :) <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: oops misunderstood you sorry :) <elkbuntu> thoreauputic, hehehe * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v _jason] by ChanServ <elkbuntu> A DD's take on automatix,it basically sucks --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=517190 * mc44 giggles as DD <mc44> as he isn't any more ;) <Amaranth> heh <Amaranth> close enough :) <elkbuntu> mc44, once a DD, always a DD : <mc44> elkbuntu: course most of the responses on that thread make me cry <elkbuntu> mc44, it's the forums. most posts on there make me cry, period. <thoreauputic> mc44: generally speaking I have to say the forums make me cry, regularly * elkbuntu hugs thoreauputic and cries on his shoulder <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: great minds and all that :) <mc44> indeed, I merely forget when I haven't used them in a while :) <elkbuntu> mc44, forgivable. unfortunately it's hard to forget things that haunt your dreams <GazzaK> they haunt your dreams? <mc44> giant killers muffins haunt my dreams, so count yourself lucky <pleia2> mmm muffins <elkbuntu> GazzaK, not literally, but im forever traumatised by the utter stupidity of them <GazzaK> I used to use automatix * GazzaK cries <elkbuntu> GazzaK, i used to use windows <GazzaK> a long long time ago, in a land time forgot, or something <Amaranth> I tortune myself about once a month these days and dive into the gutsy forum <mc44> oh, thats an extra special torture <Amaranth> "automatix installed by default in gutsy?" <GazzaK> Amaranth, thats really kinky <elkbuntu> Amaranth, dont EVER speak those words in that order ever again <stdin> I was going to use it, about a year ago, but then I looked at the script and didn't like it even then <Amaranth> "HOWTO: compile a kernel module from svn and break your system" <Amaranth> "is gutsy ok to use yet" next to "did anyone else's X get trashed?" <elkbuntu> lol <GazzaK> stdin, I was talked through it by ompaul, it was scary <GazzaK> line by line almost, showing how bad it really was <stdin> GazzaK: yeah, it's scary stuff <elkbuntu> "First it makes you bend over, ... " <GazzaK> I used to be a op in the automatix channel and forum, lol <stdin> and it's messy as well as dangerous IMO * GazzaK hides <elkbuntu> GazzaK, you win <stdin> burn the hieratic! <stdin> :p <Amaranth> jdong too :) <GazzaK> elkbuntu, ignorance of the script was bliss eh <elkbuntu> ignorance is always bliss <GazzaK> yeah, I miss those days, it was like majik <elkbuntu> hehe <GazzaK> anyways, /me is off to clean more <GazzaK> housecleaning is so annoying <elkbuntu> hmmmm... the article is still only light blue in the /. firehose :( <GazzaK> http://picasaweb.google.com/garykearley/LivingRoomTidyUp :-) <thoreauputic> GazzaK: don't bother - after a few years the dirt stops getting worse and you atop noticing ;p <thoreauputic> *stop * stdin imagines GazzaK cleaning an a little pinny <GazzaK> thoreauputic, ewwww <mc44> stdin: better than imagining him how he really does it. Which is to say, naked <thoreauputic> GazzaK: that's not original by the way - I forget who said it first <thoreauputic> :) <GazzaK> mc44, O_O * stdin does not comment .... <thoreauputic> Quentin Crisp I think ? <thoreauputic> http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Quentin_Crisp <poningru> anyone know which mathew it is that works on launchpad <poningru> is it Matthew Garrett <poningru> ? <elkbuntu> poningru, mjg59 in -devel <elkbuntu> oh, um dunno <elkbuntu> oh, you're thinking Matthew Revel <elkbuntu> Revell* <poningru> ok right <poningru> thank you <poningru> :) <elkbuntu> i should stop reading scrollback from the bottom <elkbuntu> poningru, so try the nick mrevell <elkbuntu> i think that's what he uses these days <Hobbsee> he wont be here on a saturday <poningru> hehe not trying to contact him <elkbuntu> true, but he might screen <poningru> just settling a bet <elkbuntu> ah <poningru> if an angry englishman comes in here screaming do ban him ;) <elkbuntu> poningru, which angry englishman? <poningru> hehe <poningru> just a local debian guy from a local lug <poningru> and he wont do anything like that <poningru> I was jk <elkbuntu> ah, i thought you were referring to either matthew revell, also known as 'the angry inch' or matthew garrett, who is reknown for his angry nastygrams to upstreams and is the subject of angryfacts.com, both of whom are englishmen <poningru> lol <poningru> did not know that <elkbuntu> both are actually really nice people. matthewrevell encouraged me to not run away screaming from -marketing when i first popped my head in there, and matthew garrett i met at LCA in january and listened to his medical student stories whilst drinking his pimms <PriceChild> Hobbsee, it hit the staff forums as soon as it was posted almost... but we didn't spread it. * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v jenda] by ChanServ <PriceChild> hehe the admins also had to make automatix a word too common to be searched for on the forums because of the "automatix sucks" abuse... <pleia2> lol <Hobbsee> PriceChild: heh * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v jenda] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v PriceChild] by ChanServ <elkbuntu> oh lordy. who volunteers to step in and explain to some twat that automatix is not the reason ubuntu is good? <nalioth> harsh language * nalioth covers his eyes <nalioth> drag the misguided individual in here, elkbuntu <elkbuntu> nalioth, on my blog, my dear <elkbuntu> http://www.geekosophical.net/?p=141#comment-59061 and continue through the next two comments <nalioth> why does my blood pressure go up when i'm subjected to crapomatix idiocy? <nixternal> why does that commentors name sound familiar? <elkbuntu> nixternal, you tell me <nixternal> I can't believe he has done a dist-upgrade with Automatix enough <nixternal> granted there are some who have successfully done it, granted those are the ones w/o Nvidia or ATI crap <elkbuntu> nixternal, he probably started using it in edgy or something <nixternal> it was worse in Edgy I thought <nixternal> Dapper it was a .sh script <elkbuntu> dapper>edgy upgrades fried alot <nixternal> it didn't know how to handle updates... <nixternal> well, Dapper -> Edgy w/o automatix fried alot as well <nalioth> you must realize that most windows (l)users consider a total reinstall to upgrade an acceptable practice <nixternal> tis reason for a revamped upgrade manager <elkbuntu> more a case that it <bleep>ed with repos <nixternal> and lets not forget their friendly little message they put on their website calling Ubuntu supporters idiots for blaming Automatix for the breakage <elkbuntu> yeah <elkbuntu> i think the forums council got that removed somehow though <Myrtti> so let me see <Myrtti> they called ubuntu users and supporters idiots for blaming automatix, software made to supposedly ease ubuntu usage, idiots? <nixternal> forums council had nothing to do with this...automatix put it on their website and stayed there for a long time <nixternal> DEB_BUILD_ARCH ?= $(shell dpkg-architecture -qDEB_BUILD_ARCH) <nixternal> hrmm <elkbuntu> hmmm.... so why is it i keep almost marking these retarded automatix worshipping comments as spam? <nixternal> that isn't what I copied <nixternal> If someone on #Ubuntu told you that Automatix caused a certain problem dont believe him/her. Its a known fact that the #Ubuntu channel spreads misinformation about Automatix. If you ask us for help and you mention that your were told by someone on #Ubuntu that Automatix caused the problem, your request for help will be ignored. <elkbuntu> nixternal, where is that now? i didnt see it when i had a quick click through before <nixternal> and that is when I told arnieboy to go f himself after my blog post about him <nixternal> elkbuntu: they removed it just a couple of months ago I believe <elkbuntu> nixternal, conveniently a couple of months ago, arnieboy was before the forums council begging to let ubuntuforums people try support his monstrocity <elkbuntu> s/let/make/ <elkbuntu> nixternal, meanwhile your comment has not responded to the 'but ubuntu would be nothing if the users hadnt done automatix because ubuntu ignored them'-esque posts <elkbuntu> Automatix did not get created for no reason. Ubuntu, in its earlier releases did not have what the users wanted in terms of multimedia codecs and such. And since there was a void, USERS, not Ubuntu, took the lead to help themselves, like any good users community. Why Ubuntu did not see this and take action in say Breezy as opposed to now, is beyond me. Ubuntu could have even asked the devs to add their work back then and worked with them to <elkbuntu> get it into policy-compliance. But they did not. I see no criticism for Automatix because if Ubuntu had done what the users wanted, as Mark was targeting the Desktop users, then it would not have been created from users outcry. As someone who has followed Debian development, I can understand Matts critique but I think it should have been a priority to do such a critique much earlier and attempt to fix these issues to avoid what ever dam <elkbuntu> age Automatix can or has caused for users systems. <nixternal> whoa <elkbuntu> eeps... <nixternal> slow down...:) <elkbuntu> bad pasty thing <nixternal> brb, neighbor needs the lawn mower <GazzaK> spam :p <elkbuntu> that was supposed to be the second sentance, not the whol elot :-/ <GazzaK> still talking about automatix eh <elkbuntu> GazzaK, well the fanbois have hit my blog. care to go fend them off for me? :) <GazzaK> I can go streak, that normally scare em off <elkbuntu> GazzaK, :( my blog is family-friendly though <GazzaK> so am I * GazzaK hides <elkbuntu> and it *still* hasnt hit their forums, or if it has, promptly /dev/null'd <poningru> ... <GazzaK> I like the wording on that paste elky <elkbuntu> GazzaK, i didnt write it <elkbuntu> GazzaK, thats one of the fanbois blaming ubuntu for not fixing automatiz <elkbuntu> s/automatiz/autobreakix <poningru> lol <GazzaK> thats not worded like a fanboi <GazzaK> it makes more sense <GazzaK> maybe I read it too quick <elkbuntu> Demonstration no clue: "Why Ubuntu did not see this and take action in say Breezy as opposed to now, is beyond me. Ubuntu could have even asked the devs to add their work back then and worked with them", blaming ubuntu: "but I think it should have been a priority to do such a critique much earlier and attempt to fix these issues" <GazzaK> yeah, I noticed that the second read <GazzaK> I really ought to read things right <nixternal> elkbuntu: where is the comment that ubuntu wouldn't be anything w/o automatix? <nixternal> I would respond to it, but I don't see it <nixternal> I do however see people saying "ubuntu should have worked with automatix in the beginning" though <nixternal> and if they would research our specifications from Dapper and Edgy, they would see that we attempted to do so <GazzaK> I agree a tiny bit on that, but not <GazzaK> and as we can see, by fiesty restricted stuff is easy <nixternal> well seeing as I helped write one spec, I remember a few of us talking with arnieboy about getting it moved from a bash script to an actual application first off, and then he went on a rampage <GazzaK> and gutsy (from what I have seen) is even easier <GazzaK> has all his helpers, like me, walked off yet? <GazzaK> there were a few of us, mstlyevil, wildtangent etc <nixternal> the reason for the *-restriced-codecs is because Automatix didn't want to listen to us, so we had to go another route in order to satisfy their needs/wants <GazzaK> and afaik all have given up? <GazzaK> I was so naive then, I feel so bad <nixternal> lol <nixternal> GazzaK: it is OK, we learn from our mistakes, granted yours was a catastrophy like no other, I am sure you have learned and are probably still in the healing process :) <GazzaK> nixternal, seriously, I could not see the problems of ax, and was active on their forums and irc channel <GazzaK> nixternal, meh :'( <nixternal> hehe <GazzaK> that stings <nixternal> I tried it twice..once with Ubuntu and it worked great actually installing everything I selected, however it installed a bunch of other crap at the time...this was Edgy I think.. <nixternal> then I tried it on Kubuntu, and let me just say, when it was complete, I was prompted with the GDM login <Pumpernickel> o_o <GazzaK> I thought they were doing good, and not knowing much (if anything) about programming, was unable to understand what was wrong, ompaul helped me out by going step by step through the AX code, and telling me why it was wrong and how <nixternal> hrmm, I tried to ask arnieboy about it and he flipped his lid..if there was a script to choke people via IRC, I would have ran, then smacked him with the CoC like a bad dog <nixternal> he had the nerve to call me a newb and something along the lines of an idiot...and I think that is about the time the wars broke off between him the forums <GazzaK> once I understood exactly how it did things, and how the way it did things was wrong, I understood a slightly different point of view <nixternal> I will say though, the one thing Automatix did besides create fanbois, is that it kept a lot of people with Ubuntu...so I am glad there is automatix for that reason there <GazzaK> I have kept with ubuntu due to people like om paul, sev eas, hob bsee, pricey, popey and the like, people who in my opinion do a lot for nothing back <GazzaK> don't see that with other distros <nixternal> I do nothing wanting a lot back :) <GazzaK> lol <GazzaK> I want a pony <nixternal> you and me both! <ompaul> GazzaK, you have used my name in full and highlighted <ompaul> me <ompaul> so the sec ond eff ort was in va in <GazzaK> ompaul, sorry :p <GazzaK> yeah, I realised <ompaul> I got mail from the FSF <elkbuntu> GazzaK, exactly. nixternal those people would have stayed with ubuntu anyway. I'd estimate 90% of automatix users would have kept with ubuntu regardless if they had visited what was until recently wiki.ubuntu.com/Multimedia <ompaul> the hospital will cut me up on the 10th of Sept <ompaul> and my phone bill <elkbuntu> meanwhile, GazzaK why did you not mention me? :( :( :( <GazzaK> elkbuntu, that wiki kept me here <ompaul> and a thanks card for a wedding pressie <GazzaK> elkbuntu, sowwee, all you do is kick me :p <ompaul> elkbuntu, elkbuntu elkbuntu elkbuntu elkbuntu elkbuntu <GazzaK> ahh thats what hobbsee does too <GazzaK> and seveas <GazzaK> eeek <elkbuntu> GazzaK, excuuuuuuse? you mentioned hobb see and she kicks you waaaaay more * mode/#ubuntu-ops [+o ompaul] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-ops [-o ompaul] by ChanServ <GazzaK> see <GazzaK> OpAbuse! <nixternal> elkbuntu: they could have, but automatix is still a decent reason for some of the people who have stuck it out <ompaul> call yourself an op GazzaK ;-) <elkbuntu> nixternal, i refuse to believe that. i really do <PriceChild> GazzaK, aww :) *hugs* <GazzaK> lol <ompaul> elkbuntu, when it works for some people they forget the premise of works for me <PriceChild> I like the way you hilighted me... but not people like hobbsee :P <nixternal> elkbuntu: do you remember the forums when automatix was a hit? there was no other post topic that had people praising the hell out of ubuntu <GazzaK> pricey highlights you? <ompaul> GazzaK, most likely the word like cost you know, price <PriceChild> yeah, i have my nicks
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