#ubuntu-us-mi 2011-11-01 <snap-l> Happy Halloween <_stink_> you too <snap-l> OK, so I have the new GOogle Reader <snap-l> and it appears that "sharing" things in reader just doesn't happen anymore <snap-l> and that makes me sad. <jjesse> i hate the new google reader <jjesse> it sucks <jjesse> i keep getting "oops an error occured" <jjesse> or whatever the exact text is <snap-l> Well, the interface is OK <jjesse> too much white space for me <snap-l> Yeah, there is that <snap-l> Ah, I think I figured it out <jjesse> so i don't like how "share" defaults to the article you are reading... i had a thought, wanted to share on google+ and it seemed a bit awkward <snap-l> btw: channel logging is fixed. <snap-l> So we're back to abiding by the COC. ;) <_stink_> ^%$^$*%^(!!! <snap-l> I said the COC, not the FCC. <snap-l> Fuck the FCC <snap-l> (and if you ever wondered why OMC is explicit, now you know. ;) ) <snap-l> Having to censor every fuck, shit, cock, piss, etc. on a record, and hope to God you didn't miss one is just a pain in the ass. <_stink_> you can understand the words in metal? <_stink_> :D <snap-l> also at the time I was on the radio, you couldn't say "bitch" or "ass" <snap-l> _stink_: Yes, I can <snap-l> I've told you about the "not now, James" song I let fly on WTHS, haven't I? <_stink_> heh, i do not believe <_stink_> so <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnYf7LqDPgs <snap-l> Listen to this song. <_stink_> i figure that comprehending the lyrics in metal is like being able to read graffiti. <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHsBSVgPSJQ <- Better version <snap-l> All of the albums were marked with a "NO!" if they were unfit for radio play. <snap-l> this one wasn't. <snap-l> Got a call from the station manager <snap-l> I about shit my pants. <snap-l> But no harm, no foul. Just marked it as a big "NO!" and moved on with my day. <snap-l> If you got past the first few verses, you heard it. ;) <_stink_> haha <_stink_> yeah, the second link <_stink_> i didn't want to come back here and say i couldn't understand it :P <_stink_> i like the groove, though <snap-l> Yeah, PWEI is one of my favorite bands. <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swLeUwcQbBU <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j7TuPV5Mh8 <snap-l> Man, TV has no balls now. ;) <snap-l> Sorry, Jimmy Kimmell has balls <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo7d6HYXXr0&feature=related <snap-l> I swear, Slayer doesn't have a stage, as much as they have a stack of marchalls. <snap-l> er, Marshalls. <Blazeix> wow, really cool conway game of life: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtJ77qsLrpw <snap-l> morning <rick_h> ugh <snap-l> heh <rick_h> man, I'm beat, halloween used to be an easy holiday <rick_h> now with the boy, people want to come over, hosting dinner, etc <brousch> geez <snap-l> not anymore <brousch> we just walk the neighborhood and collect candy <snap-l> we handed out to about 35 kids last night <rick_h> the in laws want to see the boy, my aunt/uncle, then t he neighbors want to come over for pizza afterwards <rick_h> turns into a full holiday <rick_h> 35? we must have crossed a 100 <snap-l> pretty low for us <rick_h> only one hour of trick or treating, but went through 8 bags of candy <snap-l> yeah, at J's dad's place we'd easiy hit 100 <rick_h> plus we handed out Michale's winnings <rick_h> Michael's <snap-l> poor guy, he earned that candy with his hard work in being cute <brousch> we have a giant bowl of halloween, easter, and xmas candy that is technically george's <brousch> i eat like 1 piece/wk <brousch> this was the most fun halloween so far. the boy actually walked 75% of it <brousch> could go up to the door himself and take care of business <snap-l> rick_h: Good going. When Michael gets older, he's going to hate pooling his hard-earned candy resources for the common good because of your actions <snap-l> rick_h: You've created a Republican. <rick_h> lol <rick_h> probably, but have you seen a 2 yr old with a caramel candy? <rick_h> did you want to clean that up? <rick_h> he already didn't eat breakfast because he had the "chips hungers" and the "cookie hungers" <snap-l> Three chews and it's on your carpet. Yes, I'm familiar with the concept. <rick_h> now we're getting the "candy bar pls" <brousch> what is chips hungers? <snap-l> gimme chips. Gimmee cookies <rick_h> chips, you know, come in a bag <snap-l> poor guy is going through junk-food withdrawl <rick_h> yea, basically his way of saying "I'm not eating this healthy cereal you've placed before me...fetch me some of those chips in the bag I see over there" <snap-l> http://openmetalcast.com/2011/11/01/open-metalcast-33-march-of-the-umlauts/ <brousch> ah <brousch> darnit, snap-l, i'm half way through Halloween <snap-l> brousch: Youre the only person I know that listens to podcasts the same way that most people eat a pod of Necco wafers. * snap-l was trying to remember the candy bar that was over a foot long, but is drawing a blank <brousch> if i listen while working i can't concentrate on work (except the instrumentalcasts). my commute is 10 minutes, so i tend to listen in 10 minute chunks <snap-l> http://listoftheday.blogspot.com/2011/04/top-10-nasty-ass-candies-of-day.html <snap-l> I love the quote at the end for the Boston Baked Beans. <rick_h> dammit, this google reader update is starting to annoy me <rick_h> I've not really cared about the sharing crap...but this new ui is getting on my nerves <snap-l> Hit f <rick_h> it's the fact that I have to use u that's bugging me <rick_h> rss feeds should be flexible width, I should be able to fit the damn window in 1/2 of my monitor <rick_h> there's no damn good reason for this content to be so wide that I need u or side scrolling <snap-l> I don't have the sidebar <rick_h> yea, well I live on using the sidebar to jump from feeds in priority <snap-l> pro-tip: start without the navigation pane <snap-l> you can still access it at the top <rick_h> yea, execpt I WANT the nav pane <snap-l> (under settings) <rick_h> without the extra click <snap-l> It's one extra click <rick_h> especially since I keep reader open with my twitter client/etc and use that to tell when I should hit a feed <rick_h> I rarely hit things up in 1 or 2 items <snap-l> not like you have to hit UUDDLRLRABAB <rick_h> it's disruptive to the workflow <brousch> all windows should be full screen <brousch> shuttleworth tells me so <snap-l> What I hate is the sharing shows up in G+ <brousch> it does? <snap-l> So I don't have one-stop shopping anymore <snap-l> if you share it there <snap-l> if you didn't, oh well. <rick_h> can you limit the circle or anything at least? <snap-l> yes <snap-l> but what pisses me off is it's only a snippet of the article <snap-l> So, they broke my workflow too <snap-l> Oh, and they broke my read later button too. <snap-l> No, they didn't. <snap-l> This is a good thing <rick_h> this is not good, I'm too tired and cranky today. <snap-l> I feel a blog post coming. ;) <rick_h> bah, that sucks <rick_h> sorry snap-l but that post took up the whole page in G+ <snap-l> The comic? <rick_h> yea <snap-l> Yeah, this is bullshit <snap-l> Just sent them feedback. <rick_h> sec, need to install shutter to screen shot <rick_h> I tried, wtf is the feedback button? <rick_h> they say to "go to our help center" which is a empty FAQ of crap <snap-l> No, feedback on G+ <rick_h> they don't have the G+ like feedback tool at the bottom <brousch> rick_h: your last tweet does not make sense <brousch> missing a digit i think <rick_h> grrr, won't let me repost it after deleting' <rick_h> "You already posted that" <rick_h> oh, but it went through lol <brousch> (0.5*1920) - (2*window_chrome) seems like a good width to target <brousch> so like 900 or 850? <rick_h> I have no window chrome <rick_h> 960 would be fine <brousch> you don't, but most people do <rick_h> 900 is probably ok <rick_h> it's more that people don't do flexible widths <rick_h> the site krondor wants us to review is like that, 1100px min width <rick_h> makes me cranky... <brousch> that's too wide <brousch> netbooks are 1024 <brousch> i could see 1000 <Wolfger> morning <snap-l> I'm just about done with identi.ca <Wolfger> heh <Wolfger> why? <snap-l> 1) Status.net mobile client is broken with 1.0 release <snap-l> 2) update bot is gone for the time being <snap-l> 3) more downtime <snap-l> 4) I'm not a fan of the cnversation view. <snap-l> (the new one, where posts show the replies all the time) <brousch> 5) tired of shouting into the void <snap-l> It's become more apparent with this latest release. <Wolfger> brousch++ :-) <snap-l> I've found my engagement dropped by about half with this release. <snap-l> Also there's a good number of folks that no longer post there <Wolfger> Yeah, that's the biggie for me. Social networking only works for as long as your personal social network maintains critical mass <snap-l> Well, they're definitely critical. ;) <rick_h> hah <Wolfger> hah <brousch> hah <rick_h> widox: greg-g what were you guys using for RSS? <rick_h> tinyrss or something like that? <rick_h> bah, damn php app <brousch> darn, i just read all my feeds and the new Reader popped up <brousch> now i have nothing to test it on <Wolfger> oooh, new Reader! I just +1'd something. Did it show up on my suspended G+ profile? :-p <Wolfger> and seriously... how long does it take to stop enforcing the names policy once you've decided not to enforce the names policy? <jjesse> new google reader sucks <jjesse> that is how i feel <brousch> jjesse: you feel like you suck? <jjesse> yes <Wolfger> Let's take a vote. Who feels like jjesse sucks? <jjesse> +1 <brousch> Everyone sucks. The question is does he suck more than the new Google Reader <jjesse> -1 <brousch> :-) <jjesse> apparently i don't suck enough to get more than 1 vote <brousch> i'm reserving judgement until i have a chance to use it <rick_h> bah, want to like newsbeuter but man did they do it backwards <rick_h> and lack of images in rss isn't going to work me thinks <ColonelPanic001> I still use netvibes, because I'm too lazy/indifferent to try others <brousch> rick_h: i'm surprised you don't have a command line client for rss <rick_h> brousch: yea, well web > * <rick_h> google reader was nice because I need it for android podcast client, has an android app, and is web based so always up to date <jjesse> there's too much white space in my view <rick_h> now it's making reading a pita, and a cmd line client seems interesting...but if you're going to be the "mutt of rss" dammit use mutt keybindings <jjesse> they took away the "share" and moved it all to google plus <jjesse> and i keep getting "opps an error occured" <rick_h> or at least vim-like <rick_h> heh <rick_h> there was a guy doing an open source python based rss reader, might have to look that up :/ <rick_h> or maybe think on bookie + rss in some way <snap-l> http://decafbad.net/2011/11/01/state-of-the-social-2011/ <brousch> rick_h: that's something to think about <ColonelPanic001> that's something to drink about <rick_h> next week is going to be good <rick_h> going to get this ui work done, get the celery backend running <rick_h> and then can start adding background tasks like pull rss feeds perhaps <brousch> snap-l: crap. you need to publish your cartoon feed if you're going to cut me off <brousch> although if you can choose a circle to share with, you could make a craig's cartoon circle <brousch> http://thestallmandialogues.com/ <rick_h> sigh, and I find the project and the code makes me cry <rick_h> great... <brousch> sorry in advance for blowing the rest of your day <rick_h> https://launchpad.net/readfeeder/ <brousch> oh man, it's launchpad? that's never a good sign <snap-l> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/google-reader-subscriptions.xml <brousch> snap-l: thanks <snap-l> np <jjesse> Oops...an error occurred. Please try again in a few seconds <jjesse> i keep seeing this stupid messages in google reader <brousch> jjesse: i'm not seeing those <brousch> you need to reboot your internets <jjesse> saw them at home and today at work <dzho> brousch: in re rms http://www.metafilter.com/108829/Free-as-in-Free#3998903 <brousch> i was just reading the rider, and it's actually really useful for anyone that wants him to speak <dzho> granted <brousch> usually you have to painfully extract that information over time <dzho> it's useful, because he is going to be exacting anyway, might as well mark the location of all the land mines up front <brousch> right <dzho> the most interesting thing I learned in that whole thing . . . well, I was reminded of the brown M&M's clause in the Van Halen rider, and then learned of its intended purpose. <brousch> also he probably deals with others like himself frequently, and has encountered many of their blunders * dzho nods <snap-l> http://scripting.com/stories/2011/10/31/whyIStandUpForStallman.html * dzho nods again <dzho> http://www.metafilter.com/108829/Free-as-in-Free#3999178 <- this comment is a bit more compassionate <dzho> and less "this is a problem for society" <dzho> anyway, I think one can value folks like RMS while also acknowledging that they have their limits and weaknesses, and discuss the ramifications of those limits and weaknesses. <snap-l> We venerate those quirks that we can identify with <snap-l> I'm sure nobody berates the Dalai Lama for his quirks <jrwren> disagree. <jrwren> hitler could have some valid point, but no one would listen becuase HE IS HITLER. <jrwren> if you didn't get it. RMS is hitler in his comparison. <_stink_> o/o/ <jrwren> godwin be truth <snap-l> jrwren: Well, he had a one major quirk <snap-l> also, can we shut the internet now that we've compared RMS with Hitler? <jrwren> no. <jrwren> that comparision is an everyday occurence. <jrwren> nothing new. <jrwren> move along <snap-l> Oh geez <snap-l> I'm pretty sure "software purity" is not in the same league as racial purity. <snap-l> And I'd hope nobody has died because of using non-free software in the presence of Stallman <snap-l> Maybe they have a new asshole ripped for them, but that's about the extent of it. <brousch> snap-l: that's only true until artificial intelligence emrges <Wolfger> jrwren: Hitler had valid points and people listened. Your argument is flawed. <_stink_> i thought he was talking about currently dead Hilter. <Wolfger> _stink_: I was not aware there was a currently living Hitler... <_stink_> this is all so confusing. <ColonelPanic001> Wolfger: I'm right here <jrwren> i AM talking baout current dead hitler <jrwren> my point is, say you are writing an article. if you quote hitler, you aren't going to have much credibility because of whom you chose to quote. <jrwren> in a similar manner this is true of quoting RMS. <jrwren> hell, this is basically how open source started, because Free Software is too extreme. <snap-l> Isn't that how all good movements start out? :) <snap-l> Buncha extremists said "fuck you" to the king, and created their own country. <jrwren> yeah! <dzho> it's funny how mentioning Hitler means game over for a discussion, but not calling people communists, etc <snap-l> I blame McCarthyism. ;) <dzho> fascism never prospers, what's the reason? For if it did, none dare call if fascism. <Wolfger> I think it's funny that we think it's cute when a kid dresses up like Darth Vader (ordered his military to blow up an entire planet, personally killed a room full of children), but a swastika regardless of context ist verboten (and they were in use long before Hitler) <_stink_> perhaps it's because... Darth Vader was never real? <dzho> maybe. Darth Vader never did anything to my neighbor's family, for instance. <Wolfger> so emulating a fictional evil person is ok? <snap-l> Wolfger: Aspirational marketing <_stink_> yes, that is ok <snap-l> As opposed to children dressing like dead people? <snap-l> At least they're trying. <_stink_> oh hey, this is a good place to ask this. <_stink_> what's the reasonable max age for trick-or-treating? <_stink_> assume good faith effort in costuming. <snap-l> 12 if unaccompanied by young children <snap-l> 13+ if accompanying young children <snap-l> 16 and up: you're just pushing it <snap-l> That said, the ghost from last night was around 16ish <_stink_> i pretty much agree. <_stink_> i was thinking once high school, no more. <snap-l> If you're driving to the houses, then you're too old. <dzho> heh <snap-l> Actually, 12-16 is a grey area <dzho> Wolfger: you just being a devil's advocate here, or are you really having trouble with this? <_stink_> i wanted to say 10. <snap-l> if you're actually putting in some effort, then I'd say 12-16 is fine <_stink_> but... that's what, 4th grade? <_stink_> seems like through elementary school is ok. <snap-l> once you're getting a driver's license / permit then it's too old <_stink_> ok. <Wolfger> dzho: I like to do mental gymnastics <dzho> ah, fair enough. <_stink_> i look forward to the day when i make my kid stop and he is crushed. <snap-l> Never make them stop <snap-l> they'll stop on their own <dzho> famous last words <snap-l> just like eventually they'll figure out that Santa isn't real <dzho> WHAT?! <snap-l> There's no magic age where you have to say "Seriously, it's just mom and I" * dzho is crushed <snap-l> Eventually they'll realize that Santa has one of your quirks <snap-l> for me it was the fact that Santa had mom's handwriting <_stink_> hehehe <snap-l> and kept telling me to clean my room <jrwren> dzho: yes, good comments. <jrwren> dzho: of course, i am of hte belief that we live in fascism. its called USA. <snap-l> Friendly Fa$cism. <snap-l> Consolidated: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zchtjTwx9ok <snap-l> Video is somewhat NSFW <dzho> jrwren: well, I'm not going to tell you you're wrong. <brousch> ok, what are folks using for encrypted password management on android? <snap-l> I have an embarrassingy high score on rpg.stackexchange.com. <jrwren> snap-l: friendly fascism is a classic. <jrwren> now i have it in my head. <snap-l> Not a huge, OMGWTFBBQ, but definitely higher than my other SE accounts <snap-l> with Programmers a tidy second. <Wolfger> Heh. <Wolfger> that's more embarassing <snap-l> lmorchard: CHC tomorrow, btw. ;) <snap-l> Giving you a day's notice. ;) <snap-l> http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/video-watch-an-exclusive-clip-from-rushs-new-live-dvd-509923 <snap-l> 47d18h <- I <3 Linux <Wolfger> booyah. Reusing old Perl script ftw <snap-l> booyah. being able to reuse perl scripts that weren't once-offs. ;) <Wolfger> well, the script was a bastardization of the website code so that I could CLI it from my laptop on a static file <Wolfger> just had to change the start/end date variables (normally supplied by web interface) <Wolfger> Of course, the powers that be removed the useful web interface from our site... <Wolfger> I should figure out what's firing off that warning one of these days, though :-p <jrwren> 47d18h ? <snap-l> The uptime on my linode instance. <ColonelPanic001> 320 days, 21:06 <_stink_> WE WIN! <ColonelPanic001> \o/ * ColonelPanic001 is ready to receive the prize * brousch dumps a bucket of RMS sweat on you <snap-l> brousch: You're too generous <snap-l> http://amplifier.bandcamp.com/ <brousch> this looks interesting for the question i asked that no one answered http://timothyjc.blogspot.com/2010/12/wallet-for-android.html <brousch> even better for the more paranoid http://upm.sourceforge.net/ <brousch> ah, KeePass and KeePassDroid http://keepass.info/ <brousch> mono-based <Wolfger> you should just use the same password everywhere. Problem solved. :-D <snap-l> That's the gawker media way. <brousch> i have been quite lazy. it's actually my new android users who are asking about it <ColonelPanic001> <3 KeePassX <ColonelPanic001> KeePass + Dropbox <brousch> hm, is that different than keepass2? <snap-l> OK, this is awesome. <snap-l> Just did a networked scan with my Brother MFC <brousch> ColonelPanic001: keepassx is the ticket! it looks nicer and uses the keepass1 format so keepassdroid can also edit the passwords <ColonelPanic001> \o/ <brousch> which is less evil: c++ and qt or mono? <snap-l> brousch: Define evil, pls <_stink_> you are doomed <snap-l> (this should only take a few minutes) <_stink_> hah <brousch> :D <brousch> ColonelPanic001: do you use keepassdroid? <ColonelPanic001> nein <brousch> whew, ok, got all of my passwords into keepass <brousch> the problem is that i have to click on the password DB in the dropbox folder on android to ensure it gets syned <brousch> synced <snap-l> Is it me, or is the new G-mail redesign full of rooie mistakes? <snap-l> rookie, even <gamerchick02> hrm. looks like Wolfger is away <snap-l> Tomorrow is CHC, btw. <gamerchick02> i know <snap-l> Just reminding. ;) <gamerchick02> thanks <gamerchick02> i'll get a map and stuff <gamerchick02> i saved one on my phone <Blazeix> snap-l: the gmail redesign I like, the google reader redesign, not so much. <Blazeix> I'm seriously considering a user style to give me back my borders. <gamerchick02> i'm not sure about either. heh <gamerchick02> i waffle between liking both and not liking the reader one. #ubuntu-us-mi 2011-11-02 <rick_h> Blazeix: heh, glad I'm not the only one <rick_h> I'm actually thinking of checkout out some OSS readers <rick_h> is the new gmail just done in theme? <rick_h> I've had a custom theme set <rick_h> or do I just not have it yet? <Blazeix> you'll see a little black box in the lower right of gmail asking you to switch to it <rick_h> ah ok, so don't have it yet <rick_h> hmm, ok so I don't get the big deal on the gmail <gamerchick02> me either. it's nice the way it is i guess. i dunno <Blazeix> i'm not sure there is a big deal. I'm a fan of the new search ui, though <rick_h> I'm not a huge gmail user though I guess <rick_h> mutt ftw <rick_h> still trying to use reader and not happy <rick_h> oh well, nothing lasts forever <rick_h> at least the new gmail fits in 960px <rick_h> unlike the rest of the new updated sites <gamerchick02> mutt? i never got the hang of mutt <gamerchick02> i'm a huge fan of gmail though because of my multiple computers/OSes. <jjesse> i like the new gmail <jjesse> i don't hate everythin <gamerchick02> :) <gamerchick02> ok. i'm off to sleep. yeah. early bird gets the worm... actually, early bird gets the parking space. <snap-l> I love it when people make commitments that suddenly become my problem to help out <snap-l> Wondering how well being a hobo pays. <jjesse> i heard there was a hobo that went apeshit in a starbucks today because no one gave him money <snap-l> Hm, I'll have to work on going apeshit <greg-g> done already? <greg-g> :P <snap-l> greg-g: Oh you haven't seen the full power of the ape-shit <snap-l> I put the shit in apes just so they too can go ape-shit <greg-g> ewww * snap-l is a conniseur of ap-shittery. <brousch> Ah, you can change the spacing on the new Gmail theme <rick_h> yea, but that didn't change anything for me <rick_h> I even reloaded it <rick_h> was strange <Wolfger> Morning. <brousch> you tried cozy and compact? <brousch> compact is much more usable to me <rick_h> I'm running compact <rick_h> I can't seem to get it out of it <Wolfger> OK, question for those of you who like the new Gmail look: Is there any way to keep it from auto-hiding your labels? That's just a die-in-a-fire dealbreaker for me. <brousch> i think the inbox view and single message view can be set seperately <rick_h> ah, there we go <rick_h> it goes off of your brower window size it appears <rick_h> since i had my browser tiled it'd only let me use compact or something <brousch> interesting <rick_h> I had extra text in there "Current window" next to compact <brousch> Wolfger: my labels are visible <rick_h> when I made the browser full screen and reloaded it was different <Wolfger> rick_h: so much for "gives you more control" :-p <rick_h> meh, keep it on compact, only usable one of the bunch <Wolfger> "your window was small, so we figure you want this thing that you don't actually want" <brousch> mahogony theme kind of fits with ubuntu <Wolfger> brousch: if I hide my chat contacts, I can see my labels, but only because I set it to only show labels with unread messages. <Wolfger> but I don't want to hide my contacts <rick_h> I've limited my labels anyway <rick_h> to the few I use regularly <brousch> Wolfger: you can drag the divider between chat and labels <Wolfger> but teh Google Overlords have decreed they don't want that sidebar to scroll, because obviously we want to see everything that's on the sidebar at all times, even if that means auto-hiding chunks of it so you can't see them ever without mouseover <Wolfger> </rant> <brousch> ah, when i mouse over labels it auto-expands to show them all <Wolfger> Google is becoming FB <brousch> but you can drag down the chat section as far as you want <Wolfger> "we're just going to change everything you liked to something different. Deal with it." <brousch> Wolfger: i don't see the problem with this, you can choose to show all your labels or more chat <brousch> unless you have more labels than fit on the screen i guess <Wolfger> brousch: the problem is I didn't used to have to choose between them, and now I do. All the while, Google is claiming the new look gives me "more control". FAIL <brousch> not a big fan of the new conversation view <brousch> Wolfger: how did it used to work? you scrolled the page to see the chat? <Wolfger> but.... I can't chat at work anymore anyways, so this is only really an issue at home <Wolfger> brousch: yep <brousch> now you have to scroll within the label section or the chat section <Wolfger> I'm considering dropping the web interface and switching to a mail client. :-p <brousch> well i never use the chat clienbt <brousch> empathy and pidgin <Wolfger> Plus, Buzz, Mail.... Google is just destroying everything I loved about Google <brousch> Thechanges so far are less annoying than Unity <Wolfger> well, that's a given <brousch> i guess i'm saying that everything changes. get used to it, things are only changing more frequently lately <Wolfger> Also hating the thickness of the bar for previously read messages in the thread. <Wolfger> everything about the new look is just gobbling screen real-estate (or so it seems). <brousch> Compact! <Wolfger> It's like they want everything to be touch-screen friendly. <Wolfger> I switched to compact. I did not see any difference. <Wolfger> Man, now SideWiki is going away? That sucks. Er, now that I remember it exists. :-) <Wolfger> sounds like Google is cleaning house. <rick_h> party <rick_h> hmm, lag seems to not be around atm <rick_h> what's the video card of choice for external ubuntu work these days? <rick_h> jcastro: ^ ? <rick_h> the certified site only lists whole machines :( <snap-l> I'm using ATI (5450). It's inexpensive, but has enough power for light 3D and video <snap-l> Was using a 3450 before, but it had issues with tearing videos <rick_h> ok <rick_h> NC dude is looking for a dual out upgrade to his desktop <snap-l> Dual monitor? <rick_h> yea <rick_h> guess his current card is single only <snap-l> How much into performance is he? <rick_h> he says no 3d, just work stuff <rick_h> but he's running ubuntu so might as well be unity friendly <brousch> rick_h: last day? <rick_h> http://www.knowvim.com/# <rick_h> brousch: hopefully, if I can get this crap done and people can leave me alone for an hour <brousch> sorry <snap-l> rick_h: Yeah, The ATI5450 appears to be unity friendly <rick_h> brousch: heh sorry didn't mean that at you <snap-l> but I'm tied to ATI because I"m using an AMD board <snap-l> YMMV. <rick_h> just it's been crazy trying to wrap up, everyone wants all kinds of stuff and things seem to want to blow up against me <snap-l> I think DBO recommended not getting ATI cards. <rick_h> yea, I can never keep up <rick_h> thought they were going to be getting better/more open <snap-l> Also the 5450 has VGA and DVI out. <snap-l> They are, but their drivers are still not 100% <snap-l> They've always had buggy drivers <snap-l> just happens to have bugs that I either don't exercise, or are bugs I can live with. ;) <snap-l> We would like to offer you a valuable coupon for your next Staples <snap-l> in-store purchase. <snap-l> To receive your coupon, click below and complete a short survey about a <snap-l> product you have alexanderlisa@example.com. <snap-l> ;) <rick_h> lol <snap-l> Wow, this page is fugly. <rick_h> look for morpace on the page anywhere <snap-l> Visioncritical? <rick_h> nope,looks like a competitor <snap-l> Looks like ass <rick_h> or maybe a tool, but I think our staples stuff is through our lighthouse system <snap-l> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/staples.png <snap-l> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/staples2.png <snap-l> Apparently it's a survey for their arc notebooks <rick_h> gotcha <snap-l> Just saw Staples and survey, and figured "I have to take this" <snap-l> kinda like folks hear "Ford" and "work there" and suddenly ask you if you know such and such <snap-l> even though that person is in Ohio, and works at a plant <rick_h> yea, all cool <brousch> hey, cool. banshee can download my amazon music without me installing that damn amazon downloader <snap-l> Yeah, it's pretty nice. <rick_h> yea, was one of the best selling points for the amz integration <snap-l> http://archives.seul.org/pygame/users/Nov-2011/msg00003.html <rick_h> oh good grief...last day...so I can go off on NC dude right? <_stink_> yep! <_stink_> copy us. <brousch> don't burn them bridges! <rick_h> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/9CcaL2YQEDNDre8ptkrs/ <rick_h> nothing too bad yet <rick_h> but man, not in the mood for this crap <brousch> ohmy, you didn't filter out his handle this time <brousch> now we can track him down <snap-l> Muhahahahaha <rick_h> bah, it's internal IM <rick_h> have fun <snap-l> rick_h: I have to admit, I do wish they'd make it a little easier to just drop off some files <snap-l> but then again, it's not NFS, it's likely distributed all over the place. <snap-l> http://yieldthought.com/post/936-429-9875/swapped-my-macbook-for-an-ipad <- All the computes you need. ;) <snap-l> http://jobs.perl.org/job/15066 <- Ho boy. <rick_h> heh, time to get off apache 1.3 eh? <snap-l> Apparently. <snap-l> looks liek Slashdot is growing up <snap-l> http://blog.canonical.com/2011/11/02/hpmoonshot/ <- This intrigues me in some fashion <Wolfger> brousch: I prefer clamz for Amazon downloads.... Saves the .amz files for you in case you need to redownload (though I don't think that's an issue anymore with the cloud drive Amazon does now) <Wolfger> also... command line apps ftw :-) <snap-l> pfft. nobody uses the command line anymore. P) <dzho> wtf is up with all those SATA connectors in the Redstone box? <snap-l> each core is a separate machine <snap-l> though this whole solution screams for remote storage <snap-l> something like iSCSI, or even a bank of esata connectors. <dzho> looks to me like it's 3x6=18 cards per box. Each card looks like it might support two chips. But each card also looks like it has . . . 17 SATA connectors? I mean, is this some off-the-shelf part they are just shoving into a backplane? <snap-l> I don't think it's off the shelf <jrwren> if you are doing sata that way, plan for storage, not performance. apparently scaling perf out of those is not easy. <jrwren> that macbook for ipad story is interesting. the guy spent $10 on an SSH client! <snap-l> Yeah, it's a nice client <jrwren> I might spend it hen. <jrwren> *then <jrwren> I tried the zx client, but it crashes when I try keyauth. <jrwren> and I ONLY do keyauth. <jrwren> ssh password auth is disabled for me. <snap-l> Yeah, it handles key auth really well <snap-l> I have passwords turned off as wel <jrwren> you have ios devices? <greg-g> snap-l's a fanboi <snap-l> It was either iOS or a blackberry <snap-l> I'd like to think you'd all make the same choice. <snap-l> save for tjagoda <jrwren> I love iOS <greg-g> I don't know, I'd have to give bb a try before I decided ;) <jrwren> i'm just surprised you went for it. <snap-l> greg-g: I had a BB. It was shit <snap-l> jrwren: I'm not. I like Apple products. * snap-l is apparently the resident fanboy, despite only having an iPhone 4 <greg-g> snap-l: but not ape-shit? <snap-l> and that's work provided. <snap-l> greg-g: Apes have standards. <brousch> and a keyboard <brousch> and speakers <brousch> and all of David Pogue's works on audio tape <snap-l> I have JBL creature II speakers <snap-l> (which I bought at the Apple store, but still) <snap-l> tried the Mighty Mouse, and didn't like it <Wolfger> snap-l: I think I choose BB over iOS. <snap-l> Wolfger: We can never be friends, then <snap-l> please return my alexanderlisa@example.com. <Wolfger> cool <Wolfger> if all Android phones were destroyed in the patent war, I would probably go iPhone just because of the app store (BB has one, but it sucks), but the BB is a far better phone. <snap-l> I'm sorry, what is this phone you speak of? <snap-l> Is there an app for that? <Wolfger> http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20128034-1/for-car-lovers-a-porsche-designed-blackberry/ <snap-l> Yes, for $2K, you can have a Blackberry that doesn't look like shit, with a custom theme that doesn't look like shit <snap-l> Frankly, this should have been the direction for a while now. ;) <ColonelPanic001> this electronics stuff has gone too far <snap-l> Apple did this prior to Steve Jobs return. Anyone remember what it's called? <ColonelPanic001> the handle on my thermos just fell a bit, made a ding <ColonelPanic001> I looked at my phone and wondered what that meant <ColonelPanic001> "I don't remember setting a notification that sounds like that" <_stink_> all noises are from your phone <ColonelPanic001> "Oh, it was real" <snap-l> If you guessed 20th anniversary macintosh, you are correct: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twentieth_Anniversary_Macintosh <jrwren> snap-l: I think I trump you for accidental fanboi. but you can keep the title. i'm apple fanboi by mistake. <snap-l> jrwren: bullshit <jrwren> oh? <snap-l> How many intel macs do you own? <jrwren> 1 <greg-g> oh god: "One last unique feature of the TAM greeted owners when they turned the computer on â a special startup chime used only by the TAM, and which arguably also only sounds "right" when played by a TAM." <snap-l> I own 0 <snap-l> I WIN! <jrwren> but i only own it to write software for my phone <jrwren> ... <jrwren> and ipad <greg-g> hahaha <snap-l> jrwren: Achievement unlocked: Fanboi <snap-l> (just don't ask about 68K macs. ;) ) <snap-l> or power PC macs. <brousch1> empathy fail once again <brousch1> i always end up back on pidgin <ColonelPanic001> brousch1 has no empathy <jrwren> ugh <snap-l> http://www.michiganradio.org/post/michigan-senate-approves-anti-bullying-bill?ft=1&f&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+michiganradio+%28Michigan+Radio%3A+Michigan+News%29 <- Asinine. <_stink_> how good of them. <ColonelPanic001> hay snap-l ur a turd * ColonelPanic001 is arrested <snap-l> Shoot me now <Blazeix> bang <jjesse> i can't under the new law <snap-l> I'm still living <brousch1> you are an immortal <Blazeix> then it appears i'm working with incomplete requirements <snap-l> Damnit <brousch1> you have to shoot off his head <greg-g> huh, I see my first "People Nearby" person in empathy at this coffee shop, I think i know who it is, given there is one other bearded guy running Ubuntu on a thinkpad :) <greg-g> (clarify, first person I've seen via this feature ever, and it happens to be at this coffee shop) <gamerchick02> i'm coming to CHC tonight. <gamerchick02> leaving in a bit to give some getting lost time. <Blazeix> cool, see you there <gamerchick02> yeah. :) <gamerchick02> shutting down and loading up. i'll be wearing a navy blue old navy long sleeved tshirt and khakis. <gamerchick02> cya in a bit <snap-l> I'll be wearing a stylish Silicon Mechanics shirt, and jeans by Eddie Bauer <snap-l> Boxers and socks by Hanes <snap-l> Attitude by my own damn self. <Dekkard> Any one hear about il lumination probs on some lappies? <Dekkard> Backlight specifically <snap-l> Dekkard: clarification? <gamerchick02> wolfger <gamerchick02> chc, no? <gamerchick02> snap-l... chc? * gamerchick02 pokes channel <Blazeix> gamerchick02: uhoh, starts at 8. <Blazeix> you have 45 minutes to relax and sip coffee before we get there and start blabbing. <gamerchick02> 8. thought it started at 7. whoops <greg-g> the last one of the month is at 7 <gamerchick02> wow. i'm SUPER early then <gamerchick02> ah <gamerchick02> i be stupid. <gamerchick02> sorry everyone <gamerchick02> i'm a dumbass <Blazeix> an extra hour at the coffee shop never hurt <gamerchick02> you're right <gamerchick02> good for people watching <gamerchick02> ;) <gamerchick02> i love doing that * greg-g loves people watching <gamerchick02> me too!!! <gamerchick02> how's it going greg-g? <gamerchick02> i could have stayed at home/hotel longer <gamerchick02> hah <greg-g> gamerchick02: going well, just finishing up my day here in SF <gamerchick02> wow. nice. you like it out there? <greg-g> It's growing on me. <greg-g> Still aclimating <gamerchick02> you will probably like it in winter <greg-g> meh <gamerchick02> no snow, i think... <greg-g> I'm one of the weirdos that loves snow <gamerchick02> not sure if you're a winter guy or not <greg-g> completely <gamerchick02> i do too! <greg-g> I lived in Minneapolis for 6 years and loved it <gamerchick02> ;) i'm a winter gal <gamerchick02> i've lived in MI all my life <gamerchick02> love it here <greg-g> A2 was nothing compared to MPLS <greg-g> like, right now doesn't feel like halloween season, ya know? no leaves on the ground, I'm wearing sandals and a t-shirt (though, it does get cold at night) <greg-g> (cold being like high 50s) <gamerchick02> sandals? it's like 0 here. <gamerchick02> beautiful night <gamerchick02> a good night to sit outside and smoke and have a beer <gamerchick02> i'm here at the coffee shop now. didn't realize CHC was at 8. whoops <greg-g> :) <gamerchick02> it's ok <gamerchick02> i'm chatting with you and people watching <gamerchick02> there's a business people group at the middle table <gamerchick02> students studying <gamerchick02> i must look young, cuz the lady asked me if i was doing studying. <gamerchick02> haha! <gamerchick02> no. school's done. unless i go for a masters, but probably not <greg-g> :) <gamerchick02> i'm probably the only one in this coffee shop with ubuntu on their laptop * gamerchick02 is a nerd <greg-g> I'm one of 2 in this coffee shop <gamerchick02> nice <gamerchick02> this one is busy <gamerchick02> and the guys are here. woot <snap-l> Howdy. <greg-g> way to leave her hanging, guys! <greg-g> ;) #ubuntu-us-mi 2011-11-03 <snap-l> hey now <gamerchick02> nah. i was early <gamerchick02> :-P <rick_h> http://developer.yahoo.com/blogs/ydn/posts/2011/11/yahoo-announces-cocktails-%E2%80%93-shaken-not-stirred/ <Blazeix> rick_h: snap-l: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3179505 <snap-l> Blazeix: Ouch <Guest7117> hello <Wolfger> Morning. <brousch> go away <snap-l> Good morning <rick_h> morning <rick_h> Blazeix: awesome, that's perfect timing and going into my talk! <rick_h> so they don't run jslint and crash horribly after a ycombinator post, love it <snap-l> That and the founders have to personally answer the flood of disgruntled emails. <rick_h> heh, love that the post has no comments <snap-l> They might have them turned off <brousch> rick_h: what talk? <snap-l> I wonder if someone had (in the early days) implemented python instead of Javascript. <rick_h> brousch: I'm giving a talk at 1devday tomorrow <brousch> ah, the detroit thing <rick_h> right <snap-l> tomorrow or Saturday. :) <rick_h> oh sweet, sat...I've got another day <rick_h> yay me! * snap-l apparently is rick_h's personal assistant this week <rick_h> first sealer coat is on the desk top <rick_h> man, I tell you what...I feel lost in a cloud this past week <rick_h> and not a high powered computing cloud <snap-l> It's the sound of $LASTJOB leaving your mind <rick_h> hah <rick_h> yea, I'm "between jobs" kind of strange <snap-l> seriously, if someone asks you next week about something, you'll have to really think about it. <snap-l> "wait, what? the who? where are you calling me from?" <rick_h> ok, I'm hating these damn unity notifications <rick_h> they show up, and when I go to click/close them they fade like "can't catch me..." <rick_h> and then won't leave <ColonelPanic001> heh <snap-l> Ubuntu One, or just in general? <brousch> you're not supposed to click them <rick_h> dropbox in this case <rick_h> also hit it for when I ran gribber <rick_h> gwibber that is <snap-l> Yeah, Gwibber is a real PITA when you start it up <snap-l> especially if you've been, oh, I dunno, active on Twitter for more than a day. <Wolfger> welcome to the pain, rick_h <snap-l> Biggby has a 100oz mug of coffee <snap-l> apparently 7-11 now has coffee competition. <jjesse> but there coffee sucks <snap-l> I like their coffee <brousch> i like biggby <jjesse> it seems to have no flavor to me <rick_h> yea, the one time I went wasn't a big fan <rick_h> but people can make a bad cup so I should try again but they're not really around my area <brousch> i'm currently stuck with biggby or starbucks <brousch> or the filtered wastewater that is office coffee here <jjesse> yeah wastewater coffee sucks <jjesse> i've tried several different bigbies and haven't really enjoyed it <rick_h> snap-l: http://gilir.wordpress.com/2011/11/03/uds-day-3/ see the end of this one <brousch> rick_h: if i leave right after my GRDevDay talk on Saturday I could make your 1devday talk <rick_h> heh, not sure it'll be worth the drive <brousch> hay, you stole our swedberg! <brousch> dangit, get your own jquery expert <snap-l> Rhythmbox is back? Seriously? <jjesse> snap-l they will change next release again <brousch> but i was just getting used to banshee! <snap-l> I think we should just write a new one <snap-l> And Banshee in 11.10 became the default for just about every media type <jrwren> YAY BANSHEE! <jrwren> I love debian/ubuntu mono and banshee. <jrwren> its come so far over the years and really countered everything the naysayers have said. <snap-l> And because it's not GTK3, it's getting bumped from the CD. ;) <jrwren> it is? <jrwren> rb is default? <snap-l> Conclusion, RB will probably be back on the CD, if no problem is raised by the other teams not present during the session. The decision was not easy, but IMO it makes sense in the context of an LTS. And, well, Banshee will still be available in the archive, will at least the same level of integration than in 11.10. <jjesse> thought the post said it would still be on the cd <jjesse> got confused <brousch> hm, i was going to put some python eating various animals pics in my talk, but they are all kind of off-putting <snap-l> And yes, I've finally gotten used to Banshee's quirks. :) <rick_h> snap-l: I thought you'd appreciate that <jrwren> from waht I've seen of RB in the past, i'd not be surprised if it take more space on the CD than banshee <rick_h> than banshee + mono? <rick_h> RB is getting all the gtk for free since it's shared <rick_h> but they're saying banshee is the last mono on the cd <jrwren> yeah. <jrwren> mono is TINY to ship. <jrwren> in debian. <jrwren> and ubuntu <jrwren> damn shame. <jrwren> end of an era. <jrwren> its a bad precident. <jrwren> I'll bet LOTS of gtk2 python apps ship on CD. <jrwren> since that is most of what canonical writes for ubu mgmt <jrwren> isn't software center a gtk2 python app? <jrwren> oh nope, its been updated to gtk3. <jrwren> wow, i wonder how much work it was to move all the canonical python apps to gtk3 <snap-l> likely as much effort as it was to get the lirary for GTK3+ working with Python <rick_h> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/11/amazon-bypasses-library-lends-kindle-books-directly-to-prime-users.ars <rick_h> 5k isn't a ton to start, but it's a start <snap-l> wow <rick_h> that's cool, my wife wanted to read the hunger games series and now she just can without having to buy them, sweet <jrwren> i've not looked at how different the gtk3 api is from gtk2. i'd guess it is very similar so maybe some ports are trivial? <snap-l> jrwren: Not sure. I haven't looked at GTK3 either. <snap-l> This site for beneifts stuff at work has a usage agreement <snap-l> Provider grants you, according to your Service level and account standing, the non-exclusive, limited right, with a standard web browser not supplied by Provider, to use the Service and the text, information, software, images, and other material contained on or made available in connection with the Service, all for your own personal use. You may not share your access to or distribute any of the <snap-l> Content to others without the prior written permission of Provider. <snap-l> That's so cute. <greg-g> what the hell?! Rhythmbox? <rick_h> http://raynos.org/blog/14/jQuery-vs-POJS :) <snap-l> I <3 programming pissing contests. They're so much better than real work. ;) <snap-l> http://www.freep.com/article/20111103/NEWS01/111103023/Feds-charge-Detroit-city-official-bribery-embezzlement <- Surprise! <_stink_> yay! <snap-l> http://i.imgur.com/5mk5G.png <greg-g> yo dawg... <snap-l> http://memegenerator.net/cache/instances/400x/10/10871/11132040.jpg <snap-l> Already there. <Wolfger> snap-l: Detroit city officials being charged with crimes? Inconceivable! <jjesse> talk about crazy talk <Wolfger> So, wait... Ubuntu kicked RB to the curb in favor of Banshee, and now is kicking Banshee to the curb in favor of RB? wtf? <snap-l> Wolfger: It's not 100% official <Wolfger> kick them both to the curb and go with Amarok instead <snap-l> Wolfger: Yeah, because THAT'LL solve everything <Wolfger> and since that's a Qt app, may as well just kick Gnome to the curb as well and go all KDE apps <Wolfger> :-) <snap-l> http://cloud9ide.posterous.com/the-time-has-come-to-add-classes-to-javascrip <ColonelPanic001> no <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: no? <ColonelPanic001> no <snap-l> Is it just me, or are all of the 5by5 podcasts essentially 5% content, and 95% host / guest wanking? <ColonelPanic001> a podcast of guest wanking. So that's what you listen to all day. <brousch> the explains a lot <snap-l> Sometimes I wonder why I come here. ;) <ColonelPanic001> to listen to the wanking <brousch> ColonelPanic001++ <ColonelPanic001> \o/ <snap-l> Well, at least I don't have to wonder what you guys are doing in here <snap-l> and now I have a mental image that is difficult to erase without power tools <ColonelPanic001> there's a reason I sit at a desk <brousch> there's a reason i have electrical tape over my webcam <snap-l> There's a reason I don't have a webcam. ;) <ColonelPanic001> there's a reason I'm wan... er, nevermind <_stink_> COC <snap-l> http://lacquer.fi/pauli/blog/2011/11/why-the-mac-app-sandbox-makes-me-sad/ <- Wow <snap-l> What the hell is going on with the industry? <rick_h> you're surprised? <rick_h> this was called out when the app store first came to the mac <snap-l> A little <snap-l> Well, between this and secure boot, it's like we're going away from open and more towards closed <rick_h> exactly <brousch> not we, they <snap-l> At some point we might as well call the applications "cartridges" <rick_h> it's the slow (or not so slow really) progression of the iOS'ing of the PC <rick_h> it's always been too much power, "normal users" want appliances <rick_h> and Apple is giving it to them <snap-l> or in the parlance of every fucking flea-market / garage sale: Tapes. <rick_h> seriously, take an all non-moving parts macbook air, and iOS'ify it and you've got an appliance they'll need to upgrade every couple of years <rick_h> and they can't open/do anything with it <snap-l> Well, and you also have the program s that can be swapped out whenever they need to be without them really needing to kno or care about satate. <snap-l> They just show up with some widgets to crank <snap-l> i dunno.. seems like we're giving up a lot for security <brousch> they <brousch> we are linux <brousch> we are freedom and tinkering! <snap-l> How long before someone thinks this is a good idea for Linux? :) <snap-l> I mean, Ubuntu is becoming a phone / tablet <brousch> unity is pretty much un-tweakable, and it has a software center <brousch> fortunately you can easily move to another window manager/distro <brousch> OSX users are not so fortunate <brousch> hm, only 1 animate gif in my talk. this must be rectified <brousch> what bothers me the most is how much you have to buy in to apple to make appliances <brousch> selling appliances is way more profitable than open source <brousch> money or freedom? a hard choice <snap-l> nnThe One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) project has devised a bizarre plan for deploying its new XO-3 tablet. The organization plans to drop the touchscreen computers from helicopters near remote villages in developing countries. The devices will then be abandoned and left for the villagers to find, distribute, support, and use on their own. <snap-l> I believe this is the WTF moment for the day. <snap-l> Also up for contention for WTF moment of the day: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111031/936-429-9875/various-lawsuits-trying-to-avoid-admitting-that-porn-classics-debbie-does-dallas-deep-throat-are-public-domain.shtml <greg-g> awe. some. #ubuntu-us-mi 2011-11-04 <snap-l> Good evening <_stink_> yo <greg-g> hiya <brousch> tired. someone bring me coffee <rick_h> +1 <brousch> rick_h: are you even working right now? <_stink_> yeah, was gonna say <_stink_> just sleep in! <_stink_> or, go back to sleep after taking kid to school. <rick_h> heh, I've got a talk to finish <rick_h> didn't get a ton done yesterday with the family home and such * Wolfger throws coffee at brousch <Wolfger> I think I may have found my Linux salvation... http://www.osnews.com/story/25283/KDE_3_5_Fork_Trinity_Releases_Third_Major_Update <brousch> i sent you a link to that last week :P <Wolfger> well :-p <Wolfger> I missed it somehow <Wolfger> Thanks, though! <snap-l> Good morning <brousch> Wolfger: i kind of wondered why you weren't excited by it when i mentioned it ;) <lotia> greetings all. anyone know what the earliest version of ubuntu that supported logical volume snapshot merging? <snap-l> lotia: Not offhand, no <snap-l> and a question like that can lead to no good. ;) * snap-l should take on a new career as conference call music DJ. <ColonelPanic001> do it <snap-l> Your call
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