@bhendersonNOSPAM: "Campaigners for a tunnel under the Forth have been lobbying councillors in
West Lothian.
The Forth Tunnel Action Group argue a tube tunnel laid across the estuary is
less expensive and more environmentally friendly than a replacement bridge.
Forth Tag made its case for an underwater crossing instead of a new bridge
to councillors on Tuesday.
Government transport agency Transport Scotland said it a Forth crossing
feasibility study was under way.
Forth Tag argues that placing a tube tunnel in a trench across the bed of
the Forth would be cheaper and less damaging on the environment than a new
bridge.
Engineer John Carson, of Forth Tag, said: "The tunnel will cost at least
half the bridge costs and if you look at it on a whole life maintenance
basis a tunnel would cost about �3.25m to maintain over 20 years.
"Feta currently spends �10m a year on this bridge. They have just cancelled
or delayed a contract to paint the bridge at �76m so you can imagine a
second bridge would be as costly to maintain.
"Tunnels cost next to nothing to maintain."
<url>
Never, ever, argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and 
beat you with experience"
    @EDIagenda: "On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:05:09 +0100, "Bryan"
<email_address> wrote:in reply to this
<quote>
A bold statement?
"Edinburgh is the capital city of Scotland yet 
Edinburgh's people have to use other cities airports
for most direct long-haul flights! How embarrassing 
is that?...."
<url>"
    @EDIagenda: "On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:08:58 +0100, "John Dundas"
<j.m.dundas(removethisnow)@btinternet.com> wrote:in reply to this
<quote>
Similar to a programme about a possible Transatlantic tunnel?
"Edinburgh is the capital city of Scotland yet 
Edinburgh's people have to use other cities airports
for most direct long-haul flights! How embarrassing 
is that?...."
<url>"
    @EDIagenda: "On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:11:05 +0100, "Bryan"
<email_address> wrote:in reply to this
<quote>
Saw the Boston programme. Amazing how other countries get on with
their capital construction projects and in Scotland we tend to make
them political/parochial issues?
"Edinburgh is the capital city of Scotland yet 
Edinburgh's people have to use other cities airports
for most direct long-haul flights! How embarrassing 
is that?...."
<url>"
    @jmdundasremovethisnow: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Never seen that one but did enjoy the one about Boston. They dug up a 
chunk of the City to put the motorwards underneath everything. "
    @jmdundasremovethisnow: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
That's true. Look at B with EARL and you with M74 completion      ;-) "
    @bhendersonNOSPAM: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
not really when you think about it, what can go wrong with a tunnel? Even 
springing a leak doesn't have to cost a lot to repair. "
    @EDIagenda: "On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:21:55 +0100, "John Dundas"
<j.m.dundas(removethisnow)@btinternet.com> wrote:in reply to this
<quote>
Makes you wonder if the SNP are condemning a Scotland under their
control to the dark ages.?
"Edinburgh is the capital city of Scotland yet 
Edinburgh's people have to use other cities airports
for most direct long-haul flights! How embarrassing 
is that?...."
<url>"
    @EDIagenda: "On 28 Mar 2007 00:43:57 -0700, "Cats" <email_address> wrote:in
reply to this
<quote>
Depends, I don't see any trolls in aaug trying to change that agenda
to EDI? Only aaue suffers trolls trying to change it's agenda to
Abbotsinch. 
"Edinburgh is the capital city of Scotland yet 
Edinburgh's people have to use other cities airports
for most direct long-haul flights! How embarrassing 
is that?...."
<url>"
    @EDIagenda: "On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:22:37 +0100, "John Dundas"
<j.m.dundas(removethisnow)@btinternet.com> wrote:in reply to this
<quote>
There's more than Jaffray trying to undermine EDI John.
"Edinburgh is the capital city of Scotland yet 
Edinburgh's people have to use other cities airports
for most direct long-haul flights! How embarrassing 
is that?...."
<url>"
    @EDIagenda: "On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:25:24 +0100, "Bryan"
<email_address> wrote:in reply to this
<quote>
AS was highlighting quite recently with the Clyde Tunnel?
"Edinburgh is the capital city of Scotland yet 
Edinburgh's people have to use other cities airports
for most direct long-haul flights! How embarrassing 
is that?...."
<url>"
    @clive: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
People can talk about EDI freely in aaug, along with any other airport in 
the world, and often do so in the course of conversation so there are no 
such problems there. Nobody starts shouting the odds (AS excepted), claiming 
authority or directing folks elsewhere. You've just highlighted the 
difference here.
Clive "
    @bhendersonNOSPAM: ""B" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
well Joe said his wife is from Glasgow so your theory doesn't hold up unless 
she has a habit of attacking him with a frying pan or something..  :-) "
    @jmdundasremovethisnow: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
They need to save money so that they can spend it on all these things 
that they are promising folk. "
    @jmdundasremovethisnow: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Well Joe I back EARL, I also back GARL, I back the M74 ext, I back a 
new Forth Road bridge and also upgrade of the A1 to dual carriageway 
but would love to see it motorway all the way down to England.
The money needs to be raised and spent for these projects. "
    @jmdundasremovethisnow: ""Bryan" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:2nSOh.93467$<email_address>
<quote>
 >
Well that could be true...............would explain a lot. "
    @jmdundasremovethisnow: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
FFS here we go again, another good thread brought down to the gutter 
yet again by bringing GLA into it. What the hell has it got to do with 
GLA, BUGGER ALL.
JOE YOUR AN ARESHOLE. BLIMPIE YOUR AN ARSEHOLE. Simple as that. What a 
pair of utter twats you two are. Why don't you get together and just 
punch the shit out of each other and get it over with.
You TWO are intent on causing as much grief to each other in this 
newsgroup but its others who have to suffer your total CRAP all the 
time. Its about time the two of  just SHUT UP!
We cant even have a discussion about a FORTH ROAD TUNNEL without the 
usual GARBAGE coming into play.
YOU BOTH ARE TOO BLAME. NOT GET A BLOODY LIFE."
    @jon: ""John Dundas" <j.m.dundas(removethisnow)@btinternet.com> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Feel better now do you John?.... A few drinkie poos perhaps.
Be good :-)
JRS "
    @EDIagenda: "On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:07:06 +0100, "Bryan"
<email_address> wrote:in reply to this
<quote>
On the contrary she oftens says she feels like attacking the parochial
libelous/defamatory fools who do Glasgow no favours in this newsgroup.
And don't forget, you can take the girl out of Glasgow but not Glasgow
out of the girl!
"Edinburgh is the capital city of Scotland yet 
Edinburgh's people have to use other cities airports
for most direct long-haul flights! How embarrassing 
is that?...."
<url>"
    @EDIagenda: "On 29 Mar 2007 10:30:14 -0700, "B" <email_address> wrote:in
reply to this
<quote>
The biggest Glasgow troll on usenet, a cowardly one at that, who hides
behind an alias claims to be an EDIaficionado? It's those stupid
claims that beggar belief.. A nutter perhaps?
"Edinburgh is the capital city of Scotland yet 
Edinburgh's people have to use other cities airports
for most direct long-haul flights! How embarrassing 
is that?...."
<url>"
    @EDIagenda: "On 29 Mar 2007 09:58:04 -0700, "B" <email_address> wrote:in
reply to this
<quote>
Back to the personal insults.... There is only one person in here with
problems Jaffray..you.
Closer than you think..we have some serious students from the USA
studying your every word...no doubt you will gain Worldwide fame
with the soon to be announced Jaffray Syndrome.
"Edinburgh is the capital city of Scotland yet 
Edinburgh's people have to use other cities airports
for most direct long-haul flights! How embarrassing 
is that?...."
<url>"
    @EDIagenda: "On 29 Mar 2007 13:47:29 -0700, "B" <email_address> wrote:in
reply to this
<quote>
You seemingly are the 'fanny'?
He has recognised the root cause of conflict in here..you..
No Jaffray..no conflict..
"Edinburgh is the capital city of Scotland yet 
Edinburgh's people have to use other cities airports
for most direct long-haul flights! How embarrassing 
is that?...."
<url>"
    @EDIagenda: "On 29 Mar 2007 13:50:19 -0700, "B" <email_address> wrote:in
reply to this
<quote>
You have just been lambasted and ridiculed..you missed it?
Oh dear...
"Edinburgh is the capital city of Scotland yet 
Edinburgh's people have to use other cities airports
for most direct long-haul flights! How embarrassing 
is that?...."
<url>"
    @EDIagenda: "On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:29:58 +0100, "Clive Braham"
<email_address> wrote:in reply to this
<quote>
Good for them..I don't see any Edinburgh trolls in there..neither do I
see any off-topice replies coming from aaue..
Look Clive, there are umpteen open forums for Abbotsinch, why on earth
Abbotsinch posters want to talk Abbotsinch in aaue is a total
mystery..Why?..is it because they want to rubbish it Jaffray-fashion.
"Edinburgh is the capital city of Scotland yet 
Edinburgh's people have to use other cities airports
for most direct long-haul flights! How embarrassing 
is that?...."
<url>"
    @EDIagenda: "On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:50:25 +0100, "John Dundas" 
<quote>
What could be true? and what would explain what? Do you have the
balls?
FWIW..my Golden wedding is quite soon.. 50 years of married bliss..
"Edinburgh is the capital city of Scotland yet 
Edinburgh's people have to use other cities airports
for most direct long-haul flights! How embarrassing 
is that?...."
<url>"
    @EDIagenda: "On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:25:24 +0100, "John Dundas"
<j.m.dundas(removethisnow)@btinternet.com> wrote:in reply to this
<quote>
Now we need condemnation of Jaffray from Jim Mason and Clive and we
could be getting somewhere at last?
"Edinburgh is the capital city of Scotland yet 
Edinburgh's people have to use other cities airports
for most direct long-haul flights! How embarrassing 
is that?...."
<url>"
    @EDIagenda: "On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:44:21 +0100, "John Dundas"
<j.m.dundas(removethisnow)@btinternet.com> wrote:in reply to this
<quote>
You wont be voting SNP then?
Which one's would you like to see cancelled? The A1 of course isn't
planned... don't quite know why..
"Edinburgh is the capital city of Scotland yet 
Edinburgh's people have to use other cities airports
for most direct long-haul flights! How embarrassing 
is that?...."
<url>"
    @EDIagenda: "On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:42:27 +0100, "John Dundas"
<j.m.dundas(removethisnow)@btinternet.com> wrote:in reply to this
<quote>
Don't you think there is an imbalance on east/west projects they want
to cancel? None in the west?
"Edinburgh is the capital city of Scotland yet 
Edinburgh's people have to use other cities airports
for most direct long-haul flights! How embarrassing 
is that?...."
<url>"
    @jmdundasremovethisnow: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Your wife attacking you with a frying pan........................
Well congrats on that. Your wife certainly deserves a medal for it. "
    @jmdundasremovethisnow: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Nope I will not be voting for them thats for sure.
I don't want to see any of the projects cancelled. I want to see more 
projects. "
    @jmdundasremovethisnow: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
And where do most of the MSPs that want to cancel the projects come 
from? "
    @clive: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Me neither because those who contribute there are not trolls (AS excepted 
again) but the cross posted items certainly go both ways. Only you have a 
problem with that.
Obviously it's because you make such a play of it yourself. If you treated 
it as just any other airport it would get a fraction of the coverage that it 
does.
Clive "
    @clive: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Why us two in particular?
Clive "
    @clive: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
I think you are far too hung up on east/west. Poor old north and south never 
get a look in.
Clive "
    @bhendersonNOSPAM: ""Clive Braham" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
in the all time posters list for this group it goes something like:
1. Joe
2. Clive
3. B
4. Callum
5. Jim
6. Adrian
it is a bit more complicated to work out when people change their email 
address or use more than one when posting.
So you and Jim are major contributors to the group... "
    @bhendersonNOSPAM: ""Clive Braham" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
time the A68 had some more money spent on it..  :-) "
    @clive: ""Bryan" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:VvcPh.146069$<email_address>
<quote>
Yes we are. Thanks for pointing that out :-)
Clive "
    @clive: ""Bryan" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:DAcPh.146085$<email_address>
<quote>
Indeed it is.
Clive "
    @jmdundasremovethisnow: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Actually I did email him. I also spoke with the local SNP candidates 
as well regarding it. I am sure that's enough for now. "
    @jmdundasremovethisnow: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
 >
<quote>
So what are you saying then, that the SNP and GREENS want the majority 
of West Coast votes since folk in the west don't want money spent on 
EARL and other projects? "
    @jmdundasremovethisnow: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Total hogwash
1. Same owner
2. Same operator
3. Serve Scotland
4. Both have CO flights
5. Both are doing very well
6. Both are used by a lot of folk in Scotland
I am sure others will add to the list. "
    @jmdundasremovethisnow: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
 > Like Jim Arnold's SEVEN..
But what about all of your addys? "
    @jimmason: "<j.m.dundas(removethisnow)@btinternet.com> says...
<quote>
Joe Curry wants to discuss both of them in virtually every post he makes 
would be top of my list.
How anyone can have the audacity to insist on discussing both airports in 
isolation when he brings the airport and city he abhors so much into every 
thread - most times from the outset. Hypocrisy of the highest order but 
much of what I have come to expect from him. He increasingly seems unaware 
of how much he is ridiculing himself. No wonder he is such a target for 
universal dersision from all camps.
Jim 
Remove `spamtrapped` to reply off-list
<url>"
    @clive: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
I expect nothing of the kind. One thing the groups do have in common is the 
readership. Most people post in both groups.
Nonesense. "aaug guys" and "aaue guys" are not mutually exclusive. Most 
people post to both groups therefore belong in both your man-made 
catagories. But as far as I'm concerned there are no such catagories so I 
won't be entertaining that notion.
Sorry, you've lost me again.
Clive"
    @jmdundasremovethisnow: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Nope I just asked them not to come to my door again and not to put any 
more of their information thru the letter box. "
    @jmdundasremovethisnow: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Oh so now there are loads of GLA souls say VOTE SNP and its all down 
to them wanting to attack the east.. "
    @jmdundasremovethisnow: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
 > snip...
Yep GLA is certainly missing some of the facilities EDI has and EDI is 
missing facilities that GLA have
Yep GLA is certainly missing some routes EDI has and EDI is missing 
some routes GLA have.
You had to bring that in. You really have an issue with west coast 
folk.
Cough SPlutter
No mackenziewells@example.net."
    @jmdundasremovethisnow: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
I agree with him listing the email addresses that you have used over 
the years to force YOUR agenda into peoples mail boxes who don't want 
to read what you have to say.
Anyway you cant possibly comment on Jim Mason doing that as you send 
out a list each month, so if Jim Mason being libel/defamation then you 
are also.
Game set and match? "
    @jimmason: "<j.m.dundas(removethisnow)@btinternet.com> says...
<quote>
??????
Jim (Mason)
Remove `spamtrapped` to reply off-list
<url>"
    @jmdundasremovethisnow: ""Jim Mason" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Jim I was just pointing out that if he thinks you are being 
libel/defamation then he must be doing the same sort of thing by 
sending out his trolls list"
    @clive: ""John Dundas" <j.m.dundas(removethisnow)@btinternet.com> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
It's Jim Arnold, not Jim Mason.
Clive "
    @jimmason: "<j.m.dundas(removethisnow)@btinternet.com> says...
<quote>
I fail to see what I have to with any troll list. I think you are getting 
your Jims mixed up. The `quote` from me within the list re trolls wasn't 
put in there at my request or with my permission (though it was asked for).
Jim
Remove `spamtrapped` to reply off-list
<url>"
    @jmdundasremovethisnow: ""Jim Mason" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Sorry I did get my Jims mixed up lol.......
Ok to clarify its the other Jim I am on about.... "
    @jmdundasremovethisnow: ""Callum Johnstone" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:1abQh.26668$<email_address>
<quote>
Oh I have done the same with the local councillor (the two faced rat), 
I will speak to the proposed MSP/MP but not the conservative party 
councillors, he should look at joining the SNP. Turned his back on our 
free local bus service after making so many promises. "
    @jmdundasremovethisnow: ""Mister Niceguy" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
 >
<quote>
Monteith? The only MSP that has never bothered to reply to my emails 
and I have sent out a lot of them.
Well next it will be thumb prints
My local councilor should have taken the golden handshake and retired. 
He will not be getting my vote.
Well my local MSP seems intent on pushing thru a bill regarding Sun 
Tan shops rather than concentrate on other things in the area, its his 
goal to have manned sun tan shops. He wants to leave his mark.
Don't think any of therm are actually worth voting for. I want to see 
"NONE OF THE ABOVE" on the ballot paper.....now that was a good movie 
with Richard in it. "
    @jmdundasremovethisnow: ""Mister Niceguy" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
 >
<quote>
Glad you got the name of the movie. Just shows you what can be 
done.....  ;-) "
    @jmdundasremovethisnow: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
 >
Oh they did a cracker on the local OAP homes, they stopped the warden 
services. Really good of them to do that. NOT. "
    @jon: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
That's because you are a rude obnoxious disgusting person that shows no 
respect or tolerance for anyones views, and given your hipocracy, not even 
your own.
JRS "
    @bhendersonNOSPAM: ""B" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
the words black kettle and pot spring to mind..   :-) "
    @jmdundasremovethisnow: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Are you really that thick. "
    @clive: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Oh dear. I was about to agree with you about the Greens but it's nothing to 
do with east v west Scotland. You really must start seeing a wider picture.
Clive"
    @clive: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Nowt to do with me or Jim.
Clive "
    @clive: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
I'm all ears. Evidently I've got to swot up on politics before 3 May.
Any help will be greatly appreciated but I won't want any ill-informed 
parochial bull.
Clive "
    @jmdundasremovethisnow: ""Clive Braham" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Ah but he started shouting his mouth off about the Greens, in 
particular the M74 but since he did not look at the FACTS, he did not 
see that the Greens want to scrap the M74. Seems Joe is jumping on the 
GREEN bandwagon just like the politicians. What a joke. He should be 
ashamed of himself for such an attack and make a group apology for 
misleading folk."
    @jmdundasremovethisnow: ""Callum Johnstone" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:7R0Rh.54847$%<email_address>
<quote>
 >>
Ah but Joe is intent on making it a postcode issue even though he has 
been proven totally wrong about the Green Party and their objection to 
the M74 completion project. Joe will think of anything to attack the 
west. Yet again remember EARL would not have made if thru if West 
coast MSPs had voted against it, but we know that its a matter of 
FACT. "
    @clive: ""Callum Johnstone" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:7R0Rh.54847$%<email_address>
<quote>
That sounds familiar ;-)
Clive "
    @jon: ""Clive Braham" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
I suggest the full boxed set of 'Yes Minister'. That will get you up to 
speed.
JRS"
    @jmdundasremovethisnow: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
You really are THICK. Its in the manifesto. Link has already been 
provided. "
    @jmdundasremovethisnow: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
READ THE POSTING FROM JIM MASON."
    @jmdundasremovethisnow: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
The above is exactly the stuff I am on about when you have a dig at 
the folk from Glasgow. "
    @jon: ""Joe Curry" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
LOL... I bet you have. Perhaps it the way you phrased you application?.... 
Fabulous. I'm going to use that one Joe. 'Not one single response'... Even 
my partner is laughing and she is one of the most empathic, compassionate 
people on this earth. For once I do genuinely thank you. You have 
inadvetanly made us laugh.
Thank you again.
JRS
EDI. Scotland's true regional airport. Feeding and providing indirect access 
to the world via major hubs and worthy of its secondary status."
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