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Wow you have been digging...Good.
 I never stated that I worked with Johns Hokpins or Harvard. I am not sure
how you could have read that.
As for Ken, I am still working with him refining the model. We spent several
hours on the phone just last weekend.
The triune model is quite different than Dr. Guiffre's model. The Truine
model looks at the brain as 3 brains. Kens model looks at the brain and a
very interconnected weather system.
Vernon Mountcastle "An Organizing Principle for Cerebral Function: The Unit
Model and the Distributed System" and Solomon Snyder "The godfather of
synaptic chemistry", have influenced Kens work.
Here is a short Youtube presentation of part of it.
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Where am I not answering questions?
I don't understand where the visual cortex is featured int he 3D mind model.
I can't make up numbers the way you are. I also can't leap to assumptions
based upon imaginary numbers. What you are issing in the testimonials is
that most of them are from people that could NOT get results from, hypnosis,
psychology or other methods. If the placebo effect were going to work, it
already would have.
So many people miss this one imprtant point. If the placebo effect was the
reason that someone changed, then the first thing they tried would have
worked. If not then, the scond, third or fourth thing would have worked. If
the fifth process actually works can placebo still be a reliable percentage
of success?
Hard to say as I can't find any research on second leve placebo effect much
less fourth or fifth.
We have a really good model here. The best part of the model is that people
can use it for themselves without a facilitator. The 3D mind has been
getting measurable results on people where 25 years of psychotherapy did
not. If a placebo effect was going to occur would it not have happened in
the first 25 years?
It ignores lots of things. It ignores people who don't write but get great
results. It ignores people who don't write and do not get results. It
ignores people who follow instruction and those who do not.
Look, I have gone out of my way to not wrap the 3D Mind up in some hocus
pocus bullshit. I could have called it a hypnotic technique and made a ton
of money of off hypnotists. I could have called it an NLP technique and had
NLP people banging down my door for copies. I could have made it a new age
energetic airy fairy magic process with gods and the right time of the moon
phase and I would have tree huggers throwing dillonkristen@example.com.
If I were just a scam artist, I dillonkristen@example.com. I could have tapped into any one
of these markets and made a small fortune.
That would have been selling out. It would have been a lie. We chose the
hardest option of all. We built the model on the science of the brain not
the vapor of imagination.
Not long ago we discovered that we were getting massive changes in people at
our seminars. The thing is that we were not teaching self help or therapy of
any kind. We were teaching persuasion. In looking at what we were doing we
discovered something different. We put it into a process called the 3D mind.
It got good results.
A few years later I met Ken. He sat down and gave me my first neurobiology
lesson and expained why what we were doing was working. I am by no means a
neuroscientist. You can ask me questions that I frankly will not be able to
answer. Ken can but I doubt he would post here.
I do understand enough to develope what we were doing into something pretty
damn good. Peple with no education in self improvement are able to make life
long problems disappear after spending a few hours learning a simple process
and applying it.
Some take longer. I have also developed ways to help those to learn how to
be more effective. My goal is to get this out to real poeple who can use it.
Frankly at ths point I don't need the money.  I have a real desire to help
people help themselves.
Those on these lists who have met me or have learned the 3D Mind know this
to be true.
So if I can answer questions I will. I do not respond to insults or flames.
It is a waste of time because when that happenes someone's mind is already
made up.
That is what Money Back Guarantees are for. That is why we have one. That is
how much we believe what we do
I appreciate you honest questions.
Tom Vizzini
Real Skills for the Real World
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Yeah how could someone get the impression you were working with Harvard or 
Hopkins from this statement?
"I have been working with Dr. Ken Guiffre. Harvard, and 7 years of brain 
research. "
You are, like a typical sleazy con man, trying to lend credibility to your 
product by saying things like "I have been working with Dr. Ken Guiffre. 
Harvard, and 7 years of brain research." and then when that claim is 
questioned, saying you never said you worked with Johns Hokpins or Harvard 
and that you never claimed there was any research in the 3d mind."
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