@nospamplease: "I am only 21 weeks along, but have been thinking about which way I am going
to birth this baby since before conception, and STILL can't decide whether I
want to try for a VBAC or just schedule a c-section.  There are so many pros
and cons for each and some days I am certain that VBAC is the way to go,
then I will read something or hear about something that convinces me to do a
c-section.  Anyway, that's for another thread, but if I do have a c-section,
what are the rules regarding stairs and driving?  This wasn't a problem last
time as I lived in a one storey house and I could walk everywhere.  In our
new house, we have stairs and we are in the boonies and nowhere near
anything.  So, what do I need to consider???
Cheers!
CY
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    @nlb63: "On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:07:23 -0700, "CY" <email_address>
scribbled:
<quote>
For both my sections I was told no driving for 3-4 weeks, and only
short trips on stairs for 2 weeks.
If you can, it's best to move things down to the first level of your
house so you don't need to trek up and down any steps unnecessarily.
If I'd had a section for #1, I'd have slept on the couch downstairs to
avoid too much.
I have to say... I attempted a VBAC and although I ended up with a
section, I can honestly say it was well worth the try.  I understand
your trepidation, but what are you hearing/reading that is making you
shy away from a VBAC attempt?
Nan"
    @nospamplease: "Thanks, Nan...
Re the VBAC attempt, there are 3 main reasons.  1) Risk of uterine rupture -
frankly it really scares me.  I know the odds are small, but they are there.
That particular risk is not there with c-section (though I know there are
others).  2) Studies show on average that the risk for baby is less with
C-section, more for mom, vice versa with VBAC (as regards to infant/mother
mortality) and I think I'd rather risk me than him 3) The sexual after
effects concern me a bit, though this is something I have only read about
and have no anecdotal evidence.
I am currently reading VBAC: The Smart Woman's Guide to VBAC, thinking that
it would encourage me to try for VBAC (I was originally wanting a home water
birth) but all it has done is scared me!  So I don't know, some days I am
really sure I want a vaginal birth, and I have very high expectations of
that.  Other days I hope the baby presents breech so the decision is taken
out of my hands.  On still other days, I think it would be easier (more
convenient??) to schedule a c-section.  I dont know, I'm SO confused!
Thanks for your input, it's much appreciated!
CY
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    @eek: "<quote>
	Did you see the recent big study on VBAC in NEJM?  The rate of
uterine rupture was *extremely* low with a spontaneous labor0.4
percent. This is actually lower than the risk of uterine rupture of an
*unscarred* uterus reported in a number of studies.  And, technically
speaking, c/s doesn't completely protect against rupture (it's also
usually classified as a rupture if the incision tears and there
can be a rupture prior to the c/s).
	In the NEJM study (which was bignearly 18,000 VBACs
versus nearly 16,000 ERCSs), the only maternal complications
that were significantly different were rupture (with a rate
of only 0.4 percent of spontaneous labors), transfusion (1.7
percent for VBAC vs. 1.0 percent for ERCS), and endometritis
(2.9 percent for VBAC vs. 1.8 percent for ERCS).  Of the non-
significant findings, they didn't even all trend in favor of
ERCS.  Maternal mortality, for example, was higher in the
ERCS group.
	This is true, but you are talking about some very rare
events.  In the NEJM study, the only measure for babies that
was statistically significant between the two groups was an
increased incidence of hypoxic-ischemic encephalopathy in
the VBAC group (0.08 percent VBAC vs. 0 ERCS).  The rates
of stillbirth and neonatal death were not statistically
different between the two groups.  Also, out of 20 neonatal
deaths in the study (7 of which occured in the ERCS
group), only 2 followed a rupture.  Even in cases of
an unscarred uterus, elective c/s reduces the rate of
hypoxic-ischemic encephalopathy, so that difference isn't
all due to having a scarred uterus.
	You mean sexual after effects specific to VBAC, or just
after vaginal birth in general?  If the latter, frankly, I wouldn't
worry a bit about that.  It certainly hasn't been my experience
that there was any daviscorey@example.com.
	Basically, what it boils down to is that VBAC is barely
(if at all) riskier than a first vaginal delivery.  That may
be helpful in keeping the risks in perspective, though of course
you still have to wade through what is acceptable to you.
	Also, you might consider that there's a middle of the
road optionit doesn't have to be ERCS or VBAC-at-all-costs.
You could decide to do a VBAC as long as it's "easy" (e.g.,
spontaneous, normal labor, no augmentation, etc.).  You
can also find a low intervention care provider and insist
on practices that will reduce the rate of rupture (no
fundal pressure, no forced/coached pushing, etc.).  That
way, you have the lowest risk VBAC and can move on to
ERCS rather than a higher risk VBAC.  You might be able to
get the best of both worlds that way.
Best wishes,
Ericka"
    @hschinske: "<quote>
For what it's worth, I was never told not to drive after my section. I 
drove the babies to their first outside doctor's appointment at less 
than a week old. Mind you, I also got some other orders completely 
messed up (what with morphine, lack of sleep, and general postpartum 
haze), so it's possible I just spaced on the fact that I'd been told not 
to drive. (For instance, I was under the impression that I'd been told 
not to pick up the babies for some time, when what I'd actually been 
told was not to lift anything *heavier* than one of the babies.) We had 
stairs up to the house, so those were unavoidable, but I didn't do lots 
of stairs for a couple of weeks or so. I don't think I was told any 
special rule, but I was definitely trying to rest as much as possible.
Helen"
    @nlb63: "On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:38:37 -0700, "CY" <email_address>
scribbled:
<quote>
What Ericka said about #1 and #2 :-)
#3.... I can honestly say that sex after a vaginal delivery is *far*
easier and more pleasant than after a c-section.
I may not be unbiased enough to advise anyone, but given my history
after my second c-section, I say try to avoid one at all costs.  I
know my situation is unique, but I wouldn't wish the last year on my
worst enemy, and I'm *still* having problems.
I flip-flopped sometimes, too.  Especially when I started reading
about VBACs.  Hah!  After the first few articles I had to stop.
Really, all I did to prepare was consult with the hospital on their
policies so I'd know what to expect.  Otherwise I looked at it as a
routine vaginal birth.
I had this POV:  Nothing lost in trying, and everything gained if it
worked.  
You're welcome to email me if you need to talk :-)
Nan"
    @mbwagner: "<quote>
I had a VBAC with my second daughter. It was truly wonderful. I was
pretty committed to a VBAC immediately following the birth of
DD1 by c-section (and it wasnt' a bad section by any stretch of
the imagination, I just really wanted a vaginal birth). I did
my reading early, knew the pros and cons and felt the uterine
rupture risk was small and that the benefits of a vaginal birth
to both me and the baby were great. I must say, as my due date
approached I did have thoughts that a scheduled section would
be easier, but things worked out in the end.
The things that were better for my vaginal birth:
1. much faster recovery (which was nice since I had a 3 year old
to chase around)
2. Much, much, much more alert baby (it was really neat)
3. breastfeeding was a breeze
4. immediately holding Claire after she was born and being the
one to find out if she was a she
5. Labor was a very empowering experience and the support of
my DH was really something special.
6. Leaving the hospital 24 hours after her birth (and would
have been the day of her birth but we were watching her
glucose level)
Its a tough decision, and I really can understand going
either way. Good luck in whatever you choose!
Mary W."
    @eek: "<quote>
	Just to be clear, the risk of hypoxic-ischemic encephalopathy
was significantly higher in the VBAC group; however, it is a very
low absolute risk (0.08 percent).  Also, it is something that they
don't know if a scarred uterus makes it more likely independent of
the rupture risk, or if the risk is just that it's a vaginal birth.
The risk of stillbirth or neonatal death was not significantly
different between the VBAC and ERCS groups.
Best wishes,
Ericka"
    @daye: "On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 07:56:27 GMT, "Todd Gastaldo"
<quote>
I have had 2 c-sections  one emergency and one elective.  I agree
with you.  My first c/s was an emergency c-section.  I had severe
pre-eclampsia, and I seriously thought my DD and I were going to die.
Scary, scary, scary...  I truly believe that the c-section saved my
DD's and my life.
I know this isn't part of your usually rants against OBs, but I feel
like I was forced into my second c/s.  By the time I got to about 30
weeks, I had so many conditions put on to try for a VBAC that I
finally thought, "F**K THIS!  I will just have another c/s.  F**king
doctors."
Although I have 2 beautiful children and I have no regrets about the
decisions I made, I somehow feel like I missed out on something
because I never went into labor.  I have 2 children, but I don't know
what a labor pain feels like.  
(Side story: One lady said to me, "Oh, I wish I was that lucky to say
that."  I didn't tell her the rant in my head about how long it took
me to get over each c-section and the emotional turmoil surrounding my
first c-section, but I responded, "Yeah, well, I have 2 children and I
don't know what it feels like to go into the labor.  I missed
something important, I think.")
Daye
Mommy to DD3 and DS1
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    @mbwagner: "<quote>
This sucks Daye. I think one of the reasons I was able to
have such a lovely VBAC was because I had incredibly supportive
caregivers, from my doula to my midwives to my hospital, including
my labor nurse (which was just the luck of the draw). My hospital
actually has VBAC classes where they strongly encourage you to
VBAC.
It drives me nuts that the current climate is such that women
have to fight for a VBAC. It shouldn't be that way.
I felt this way after the birth of DD1, who was a c-section but
for lousy reasons, unlike your primary section. My VBAC really
did help me heal from alot of that disappointment. I'm sorry
you didn't have the support that would have enabled you to try.
To the original poster: have you seen this pamphlet? Its worth a read.
<url>
Mary W."
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<quote>
Is this true when an epidural is used for a vaginal delivery as well?
Sarah "
    @eek: "<quote>
	Studies seem to be all over the map, and it can vary
substantially depending on exactly what drugs are used and
how long they are used.  Most of the studies are pretty
confounded as well (e.g., maybe mothers who avoid epidurals
are more pro-breastfeeding, or maybe some difference is due
to how breastfeeding friendly the hospital's practices are,
or whatever).  Midwives and lactation consultants often
report greater difficulties with breastfeeding following
epidurals.
	When epidurals are used for vaginal deliveries,
the epidural is usually in place *longer* than for c-section
deliveries, giving more time for the drugs to make their
way into the baby's system.
Best wishes,
Ericka"
    @nospamplease: "Thanks, have printed it out and will read!
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    @rivka5: "<quote>
You use epidural anesthesia on dogs? Wow. Learn something new every 
day. I would've thought that an animal who needed anesthesia for birth 
would be given a general.
I saw a monkey born by C-section once. (Long story.) It was under 
general anesthesia. On the one hand, it was incredibly cool to be 
watching a surgical procedure and suddenly see a *baby* appear. On the 
other hand, it was a little bit horrifying to watch the vet hold this 
limp little baby monkey up and rock it end-over-end, trying to wake it 
up.
My big fear about birth is C-section with general anesthesia. Because 
I have a partial spinal fusion, they may not be willing to try spinal 
anesthesia on me. I keep thinking of that anesthetized baby monkey - 
that's not how I want my daughter to start out life. And of course I 
don't want to be in the position of the mother monkey, who went to 
sleep pregnant and woke up not, and wasn't aware of what happened.
Rivka
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    @rivka5: "<quote>
What I have heard from other women who have had spinal surgery is that 
sometimes you get one answer from your orthopedist or from an 
anesthesiologist in advance, but then it comes down to whoever is the 
anesthesiologist on duty at the hospital when you deliver - who might 
have a different opinion. So I've talked to an orthopedist, and I'm 
planning to call the anesthesiology department at the hospital where 
I'm going to deliver, but I'm also going to keep in mind that the only 
final answer comes from the doctor who is actually in the room at the 
time.
Vaginal delivery is not out of the question at all - this is just me 
leaping forward to the worst-case scenario. (No, the worst-case 
scenario is the baby dying. The worst *reasonably likely* scenario.)
I have also had eight hip surgeries, one of which is known to carry 
the risk of narrowing the diameter of the mid-pelvis. So *that* might 
make vaginal delivery impossible. However, the number I'm 
concentrating on is this: women who have had my particular kind of hip 
surgery have a 70% chance of delivering vaginally (30% C-section 
rate), and there's absolutely no reason to believe that I don't fall 
within that 70%.
To increase my chances of a vaginal delivery, I am delivering with 
midwives who have a reputation for being both very skilled and 
unnaturally patient, and preparing for an unmedicated labor and 
delivery. That won't help if my pelvis really is too narrow to let the 
baby through, but it will certainly help make sure that if I *do* have 
a C-section, it will only be because it was the *only* option.
At 36 weeks, the head midwife in my practice (who has been delivering 
babies since before I was born) is going to do a pelvic exam to see if 
she can feel whether there's enough room for the baby to come out. She 
said that in all her years of practice, she's only told one or two 
women that they had pelvic anomalies too severe to be worth trying 
vaginal delivery. So let's hope I don't add to her count.
Rivka
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    @rivka5: "<quote>
Thanks. But I haven't had surgery in years, so it's not as huge an 
issue as it must sound when you're hearing about it daviscorey@example.com. 
Surgery was a big part of my childhood and young adulthood, but I've 
been pretty mobile and comfortable for the last five years or so.
I was born with a bad case of congenital hip dysplasia (CHD), which is 
now sometimes also called developmental dysplasia of the hip (DDH). 
Essentially, I had no hip socket at all on the right side. Most of my 
surgeries have been attempts to re-shape the joint and carve out a 
working hip socket. They eventually gave up and put in an artificial 
hip in 1997, when I was 23. It was the best thing that ever happened 
to me - I'm much more mobile than I used to be, and I'm able to enjoy 
activities like folk and ballroom dancing and a little mild hiking 
(3-4 miles at most). When I'm not massively pregnant, I mean.
The spine surgery was for scoliosis (curvature of the spine), which is 
probably related to my other joint problems. That was when I was a 
teenager.
You know, surprisingly enough, I *have* had a "perfectly normal" 
pregnancy - or even an easy one. I had only a small amount of morning 
sickness in the first trimester, and I've been healthy as a horse ever 
since. I had some trouble with back pain (probably from the growing 
uterus pulling at scar tissue from the back surgery) in the second 
trimester, but physical therapy cleared it up. I'm not having any 
trouble with my blood pressure or anything. I've even been pretty 
lucky with a lot of the normal discomforts like constipation, 
pregnancy headaches, trouble sleeping, etc. - not big problems for me.
It's only now, at 32 weeks, that I'm really starting to slow down and 
have trouble moving around. So I think I've been very lucky with my 
pregnancy, and my orthopedic problems haven't been much of a factor at 
all. Even if I do have to have a C-section, if I make it to term and 
deliver a healthy baby I will feel that I've been very fortunate.
Rivka
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    @carljones: "news:<email_address>
<quote>
That is too bad. I am very sorry for you. You are right in cursing out
doctors.  An obstetrician is, after all, a surgeon. Many prefer doing
cesarean sections to vaginal birth. I know I rotated on OB for  a few months
while I was in training to be a childbirth educator (but that is another
strange story!) You did miss something and you realize this. That is
something most OBs will never understand.
 Carl
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    @carljones: "news:420195fc$<email_address>
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pros
I find it hard to believe that you are actually considering a repeat
cesarean. After all, a c-section, though a birth, is major abdominal
surgery. You have to recover both from giving birth and from having surgery.
I can't say I see any pros to a c-section. Whoever said a VBAC is dangerous
is full of manure.
Go for a VBAC. It is the way to go. Stay away from a health care provider
who has a high cesarean rate and your chances for a successful VBAC are
greater.
You will have an easier time breastfeeding and a much quicker recovery
period.
 Carl
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    @annekh23: "<quote>
to be frank this is utter rubbish, ask my DH, vaginal delivery was the best
thing that ever happened to my sex life
Anne"
    @annekh23: "<quote>
almost certainly, my DS was on the slow side to breastfeed, he slept for 8
hours straight starting about 4-6 hours after delivery, may or may not have
been related to the epidural, I've heard some babies do just react do
delivery like that.
Anne"
    @froupaccount: "<quote>
I live in a three storied house and it was a case of bugger the rules, 
if there were any, because life goes on and I couldn't live on one floor.
You know I can't even remember when I started driving again...I think it 
was around 4 weeks before I felt like I wanted to but I'm not sure.
Andrea"
    @froupaccount: "<quote>
This is what happened to me and I had no previous scarring. After being 
in second stage so long with an obstructed labour the lower section of 
my uterus had become very thin, when the OB cut into it it ripped right 
down to my cervix, it took him a long time to sew me back up and I lost 
a lot of blood.
Andrea"
    @froupaccount: "<quote>
Yup after my c/section we didn't get back to it until I was at least 6 
weeks, maybe longer I can't remember....much later than after my vaginal 
births. Far to sore to even consider it, and gods did I feel ugly, 
nothing passion inspiring about an ugly red scar across your belly still 
crusty with blood.
Andrea"
    @kNOgNOkast: "news:420195fc$<email_address>
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c-section,
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As for the stairs:  use them as little as possible.  I only had to go up and
down about 5 stairs and I had a hard time for an extra week because I opened
back up.
But, as far as the VBAC goes:
My first baby was posterior...which we didn't know during labor.  Labor took
forever (about 48 hours from start to finish) and I opted for drugs: Nubain
and Epidural...they broke my water, gave me pitocin, stripped my membranes,
etc.  About every intervention and augmentation available.  Communication
between me and my doctor totally sucked, as they didn't even bother to tell
me they were doing these things until they were done or they were doing
them.  After 4 hours of pushing I ended up having to have an emergency
C-section.  I was devastated.  It took me a long time to get over it,
emotionally and physically.
When I got pregnant with #2, I vowed I'd do a vaginal delivery.  I went back
to the same doctor and she strongly recommended a repeat C-section.  I said
NOPE.  Wanna do a vaginal.  She tried to persuade me and wouldn't listen to
daviscorey@example.com.  I took my records THAT day to another doctor that a friend of
mine (a doula) recommended.  I decided to hire a doula and got a doc that
would let me attempt a trial of labor.  I did a lot of research and talked
to my doula a lot.  I knew that interventions and augmentations are not the
best thing for a VBAC, so I decided I would labor at home for as long as
possible and let my doula take care of me.  Under no circumstances would I
have any kind of intervention (barring real emergency).  I had a birth plan
in hand and was prepared to own my delivery.  I labored at home for about 6
hours, headed to the hospital (I thought "Man, I'm going to get there, be 8
cm and WHAM, have a baby in an hour or so!...shyea, right) and was only 3
cm.  Damn.  Anyway, I labored, walked, took showers did some squatting on
the ball...all that jazz.  By the time I was 10 cm and started to push, the
doc said "oh, she's posterior...wasn't your first one posterior too?"  And I
thought "great, another c-section after all this"....well, this doctor was
awesome, because as I pushed, he slid his hands over her head and
oh-so-gently eased her around.  It took a couple of tries, but he did it:
He flipped her over and she just eased right out.  Now, if I'd had my
previous doc, it never would have happened.  I'd have been under the knife
again.  So, all this being said, make sure you have a supportive team of
people that want what YOU want for YOUR birthing experience.  I let them
call all of the shots in birth #1; with #2, I was in charge.  ...and I
strongly recommend no drugs.  What made me decide that was that with an
epidural, you won't be able to feel if you start to rupture.  If you go
natural, you will feel it and they can take action right away.  Also, I felt
the urge to push, which of course I didn't feel with #1.  And that urge is
and *urge*.  You HAVE to push or you will die.  Unreal feeling.  And it felt
much better to push than to simply have the contractions :)
Wow, that was long.  Sorry about that, but I'm so strongly in favor of a
VBAC, and I know you can do it.  You *can*."
    @eek: "<quote>
	Yeah, I saw some studies suggesting that it's precisely
that situation that tends to involve the cervix (ruptures in
women who have an unscarred uterus).  For some reason, ruptures
in women with scarred uteruses (uteri? ;-) are less likely to
involve the cervix.
Best wishes,
Ericka"
    @annekh23: "<quote>
shows the importance of diagnosing at birth, even if it does cause lots of 
parents worry going through extra tests when the hips are clicky etc. I had 
a friend who had similar, I don't think she had as many operations as you, 
but then she still walked with quite a significant limp, but she did go on 
to have a vaginal delivery.
Anne "
    @annekh23: "<quote>
really? it's something everyone should be able to do, even my grandparent 
can! You'd do your heart a big favour if you did build up to a level where 
you can do that.
Personally I can do that on a treadmill, but rarely otherwise, my joints are 
so unstable that walking at anything other than perfect balance quickly 
becomes painful, but I've realised that I feel so much better if I do my 
exercise that I've comitted to making it part of my life for the forseeable 
future.
Anne "
    @erb: "<quote>
When we got our life insurance, they only asked about two
activities: 1) smoking and 2) sky diving.  That sure put
it in perspective for me (not that I'd ever been tempted).
Emily"
    @erb: "<quote>
Maybe they only ask about things that are a) dangerous and
b) common?  (Although come to think of it, I'd imagine that
about as many people scuba dive or regularly hot air balloon
as sky dive, and rock climbing might be more.)
Emily"
    @jamielee6: ""Emily" <email_address> wrote in message 
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<quote>
Yes, but I'd venture a guess that those same people who would be likely to 
sky dive, would also be the people who would be scuba divers, rock climbers, 
hot air ballooners, etc.  So maybe if you answered NO to Sky Diving, you 
aren't as likely to be a scuba diver, rock climber, or hot air ballooner. 
Just a thought.
I, on the other hand, have never sky dived.  But I have bungee jumped out of 
a hot air balloon and off a crane, done some very minor rock climbing in my 
youth, and received my scuba certification in college.
Jamie
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    @erb: "<quote>
Bungee jumping off a hot air balloon sounds really scary.  A crane
less so, but you still won't catch me doing it.  Not so much out of
fear of injury/death as that I just don't go for the falling sensation.
Not into roller coasters, either.  Scuba diving sounds neat, but I think
I'd feel too vunerable.  Snorkeling in the shallows is loads of fun,
though.  I guess I could imagine snuba, or whatever it is where you're
a) tethered to a boat and b) not so deep that you couldn't make it
back to the surface if something went wrong.
Oddly, the thing in this class that has always appealed to me
is hang gliding.  I gather that's even more dangerous than sky diving,
though.  I wonder about parasailing.  Except that the boat is probably
too noisy.  Hang gliding seems so peaceful, and so much like actually
flying.  I could go for the Douglas Adams jump up and forget to fall
method, too ;-)
Emily"
    @jamielee6: ""Emily" <email_address> wrote in message 
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<quote>
My first bungee jump was out of the hot air balloon, and it wasn't really 
that scary.  The balloon went up 200 feet, you stood on the platform and 
fell off, and your bungee was about 50 feet long, and stretched another 50 
feet.  Something like that.  Then they lowered the balloon and the next 
person went up.  It was in Napa Valley, so it was really pretty.  I'd never 
bungeed or ballooned at that point (and still have not ballooned again), so 
I was pleased to be able to do both at the same time.  When you go up in a 
hot air balloon, you have to do it when the air is very still, and there is 
no wind, so it was very early in the morning.  The view was lovely.  I was 
attached to the bungee from an umbilical position, so hung from a belly line 
in a semi cradled position as the balloon was brought down.
The second bungee was from a crane at a bar, in the parking lot.  I much 
preferred the early morning vine covered hillsides...
Scuba is great.  If you like to snorkel, you might really enjoy scuba.  You 
aren't tethered to the boat, and can go as deep or shallow as you want.  You 
are in control.  It does take some getting used to, to having the breathing 
apparatus on, and feeling comfortable in the water with it.  At first I 
remember breathing very fast, feeling like I wasn't getting enough air, but 
I was.  And I was just in a pool, sitting on the bottom of the shallow end. 
But once you can trust the scuba equipment, the freedom of scuba in the 
ocean is great.  With snorkeling I was always chasing fish, and having to 
come up for air, with scuba I could stay down for quite a while.  Plus, it's 
so quiet (except for the sound of your breathing) and peaceful  much like 
Finding Nemo, only real.
I've not parasailed or gone hang gliding, but heard that they are good.
Jamie
Earth Angels:
Taylor Marlys, 1/3/03  The Inquisitor, who asks "What's that?" only 1000 
times a day.
Addison Grace, 9/30/04  The Thug, who yells "HEY!  HEY!  WHERE IS MY 
FOOD!" quite loudly at 3am!
Check out the family!  <url> User ID:  Clarkguest1, Password: 
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Accept would a hot air balloon actually get high enough to parachute out of? 
That could be fun, but not a lot of freefall, I guess.
Jamie
Earth Angels:
Taylor Marlys, 1/3/03  The Inquisitor, who asks "What's that?" only 1000 
times a day.
Addison Grace, 9/30/04  The Thug, who yells "HEY!  HEY!  WHERE IS MY 
FOOD!" quite loudly at 3am!
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    @jamielee6: "Doi.  Accept, Except... :?/
Jamie
Earth Angels:
Taylor Marlys, 1/3/03  The Inquisitor, who asks "What's that?" only 1000 
times a day.
Addison Grace, 9/30/04  The Thug, who yells "HEY!  HEY!  WHERE IS MY 
FOOD!" quite loudly at 3am!
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<quote>"
    @daye: "<quote>
I was just thinking about you the other day.  Someone was talking
about giving birth to large babies, and I mentioned you and your
story.  However, I gave the birth weight as 11 pounds.  They were
amazed.  
You are inspiration!
Daye
Mommy to DD3 and DS1
Chump Change for Major Change
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