@twid: "Hi there,
here are some rules to make buying and selling a wee bit more
interesting...
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[da]
112.  Spillets valuta hedder 'uncia'.
113.  NEN-vogteren holder styr p�, hvor mange uncia hver enkelt
      spiller har.
114.  Det er forbudt at have en g�ld.
115.  Et flag er 12 uncia v�rd.
116.  Hvis en spiller s�lger et flag til en anden spiller, kan disse
      to frit bestemme prisen p� trods af regel 115.
117.  Hver m�ned till�gger NEN-vogteren en rente p� 5% til hver
      spillers formue.
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112.  The currency of the game is called 'uncia'.
113.  The NEN Guardian keeps track of the amount owned by each player.
114.  It is forbidden to be in debt.
115.  A flag is worth 12 unciae.
116.  If a player sells a flag to another player, these two can freely
      determine the price in spite of rule 115.
117.  Every month the NEN Guardian shall add an interest of 5% to each
      player's capital.
/Thomas
Thomas Widmann    <email_address>    <url>
Flat 3/2, 54 Mavisbank Gardens,  Glasgow  G51 1HL,  Scotland,  EU"
    @ahrer: "On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:21:05 +0100, Thomas Widmann <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
A very nice idea. I am just not sure how to interpret rule 115. Is it
there just to determine an amount of money that players will have as
soon as these rules are in force? Or does everybody who gets a flag
automatically get 12 unciae, too?
patrick
Flags: 
- Latvia  - Malta   - Estonia - Slovenia
- Austria - Spain   - Sweden
- Cyprus  - Finland - Poland"
    @twid: "Patrick Ahrer <email_address> writes:
<quote>
No, sorry, that wasn't clear enough.  What I meant was that a player
can hand a flag back to the Guardian and receive 12 unciae, and if you
have 12 unciae, you can use them to buy a flag.
/Thomas
Thomas Widmann    <email_address>    <url>
Flat 3/2, 54 Mavisbank Gardens,  Glasgow  G51 1HL,  Scotland,  EU"
    @phv: "Dans l'article <email_address>,
Thomas Widmann <email_address> a �crit :
<quote>
That is interesting but, if I understand correctly, it cannot work
since nobody has "cash unciae". Thus, nobody can ever buy anything.
I suggest every flag is worth 12 unciae plus, say, 4 unciae in cash,
so that we can actually buy and sell flags.
As for rule 117, I rather disagree. I'd rather like all players get
the same amount of unciae each week rather than it is proportional
to what they already have. Furthermore, with your proposal, 5 percent
of nothing is not so much ;-)
Philippe Vigeral
fr,en,es (ia,it,pt,ca)"
    @twid: "Philippe Vigeral <email_address> writes:
<quote>
Yes, people can sell some of their flags.  For instance, if you want
one of my flags very much, you may offer me 16 unciae for it.  To get
that much money, you'd have to sell two flags (but you'd have 8 unciae
left over after the deal was done).
Interesting idea.  Actually, instead of a flag, people could earn 16
unciae, and it would then be up to them whether to buy ohall@example.org.
(Of course, to win the game, they'd have to buy flags at some stage.)
I proposed that rule to give people an incentive to sell flags.
:-)  If you have 20 flags and change them into unciae, you'd get
enough money to buy a new flag every month.
/Thomas
Thomas Widmann    <email_address>    <url>
Flat 3/2, 54 Mavisbank Gardens,  Glasgow  G51 1HL,  Scotland,  EU"
    @phv: "Dans l'article <email_address>,
Thomas Widmann <email_address> a �crit :
<quote>
Yes, I understood that, but my point was : since, at the beginning, 
nobody gets any uncia, nobody can ever buy or sell any flag to anyone.
I cannot get these 16 unciae from anyone, since nobody get any.
The machine cannot work if there are not some "cash unciae" at the 
beginning.
Philippe Vigeral
fr,en,es (ia,it,pt,ca)"
    @twid: "Philippe Vigeral <email_address> writes:
<quote>
Surely we could all sell some flags.
/Thomas
Thomas Widmann    <email_address>    <url>
Flat 3/2, 54 Mavisbank Gardens,  Glasgow  G51 1HL,  Scotland,  EU"
    @jvgruatinvalid: "news:<email_address>
<quote>
To whom ?
What I had understood was that the uncia was the 12th part of a flag - like
in ancient times a uncia was a 12th of any unit used for measuring - like an
hour, a foot, a jugerum - in French we still speak about a "journal", a
piece of land that may be worked in one day, "jour" -, a pint (sextarius)
...(<url>
a.html , last �).
Having 25 flags was like having a capital of 300 unciae, with the difference
that unciae capitalized in flags could not be used by units of less than 12.
Then would have come other rules facilitating gain of "real" unciae, like
the 5% interest rate, and possible other rules like for each proposal
accepted gain of 1 flag plus 1 uncia per positive vote.
This reading of mine would perhaps become clearer with following addition to
proposed rule 115: "A flag is worth 12 unciae. Unciae embodied in flags can
be used only by sets of 12 or multiple of 12".
But my reading is not your reading, apparently ...
JV Gruat
[ca,de,en,es,fr,ia,it,pt,ru]
<email_address>
Nomic: <url>"
    @ahrer: "On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:38:23 +0100, Thomas Widmann <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
I see. Thanks for the explanation.
patrick
Flags: 
- Latvia  - Malta   - Estonia - Slovenia
- Austria - Spain   - Sweden
- Cyprus  - Finland - Poland"
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