@eacmole: "Another cover-up. Anything to not make AWOL look bad eh?
<url>
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Yang 
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL 
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin 
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka <email_address> aka Yang's little poltregeist bitch)
The Bush 'balanced' budget:	        2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy:		12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie:			-2216 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush fuck up my country:	          Worthless
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Contact duke's priest and ask 
him why duke is such a racist:
<url>
Father Gerard "Jerry" Martin
stpatrickbr<AT>bellsouth<DOT>net
Saint Patrick Catholic Church
12424 Brogdon Lane
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70816"
    @dloubet: ""Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting Ass" 
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Argh! I can understand the logic behind this, but there are better 
solutions.
Denis Loubet
<email_address>
<url>
<url> "
    @redhawk: "<quote>
This is typical mindless military dog-and-pony show bullshit. It is
more important for commanders that all soldiers look alike, have their
uniform sleeves rolled down and collars buttoned up in 120 degree heat,
and all wearing the same gear, then it is that they have good
equipment. They don't want the soldiers to look all rag-tag for the
cameras (ie "MASH mode" as we used to say in the service. The military
is more obsessesd with everything "looking" good than on having an
effective fighting force.
When I was in the 82d Airborne, we got this same bullshit going out in
the field in wintertime, where the standard issue equipment was useless
for winter conditions, but we were not allowed to wear better gloves or
even non-issue wool socks that would better protect us from the cold.
Even army-issue arctic gloves were prohibitted because we weren't in
arctic conditions. Ditto for jungle boots, which were better in winter
and summer than the standard issue boot, but were eventually
prohibitted. A lot of guys of course would wear better socks and
civilian sweaters and such under their uniforms rather than freeze
their asses off, but you could get into big trouble if you got caught
doing this. Commanders, of course, wore whatever they pleased, which
set a bad leadership example for the troops.
Sean C"
    @lojbab: "<quote>
<The soldier reiterated Friday's reports that any soldier who refused
< to comply with the order and was subsequently killed in action
< "could" be denied the $400,000 death benefit provided by their SGLI
< life insurance policy as well as face disciplinary action.
What kind of disciplinary action can they take against a soldier who
was killed in action?
lojbab"
    @eacmole: "On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:48:45 GMT, <email_address>
<quote>
Bush: only good at screwing Americans over.
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Yang 
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL 
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin 
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka <email_address> aka Yang's little poltregeist bitch)
The Bush 'balanced' budget:	        2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy:		12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie:			-2216 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush fuck up my country:	          Worthless
-
Contact duke's priest and ask 
him why duke is such a racist:
<url>
Father Gerard "Jerry" Martin
stpatrickbr<AT>bellsouth<DOT>net
Saint Patrick Catholic Church
12424 Brogdon Lane
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70816"
    @byoung: "This goes beyond the military. Its in procurement at the highest level. I 
remember a thing in the 80's about some electronic test equipment that the 
military bought. One of the competitors was a small outfit and blew away 
Hewlett Packard in tests but the military were forced by Generals and 
politicians to go with hewlett packard. Some of the depots had the advantage 
of having both systems and the HP stuff sat in a corner gathering dust. 
Soldier's should do field testing, not Generals; how often does a General 
get shot at? Its obvious that better equipment is out there but the army 
isn't buying it. Congress is to blame for this as much as Bush. That's one 
reason Bush doesn't want a draft. Imagine them telling 2 drafttees they 
can't use it.
"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting Ass" 
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>"
    @stoney: "On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:37:22 -0800, "Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's
Cocaine Snorting Ass" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
alt.atheism 
<quote>
You mean even worse.  Treason, Cronyism, Incompetance, and Cowardice are
the main watchwords of the misadministration.
Army Orders Soldiers to Shed Dragon Skin or Lose SGLI Death Benefits
By Nathaniel R. Helms
Two deploying soldiers and a concerned mother reported Friday afternoon
that the U.S. Army appears to be  singling out soldiers who have
purchased Pinnacle's Dragon Skin Body Armor for special treatment. The
soldiers, who are currently staging for combat operations from a secret
location, reported that their commander told them if they were wearing
Pinnacle Dragon Skin and were killed their beneficiaries might not
receive the death benefits from their $400,000 SGLI life insurance
policies. The soldiers were ordered to leave their privately purchased
body armor at home or face the possibility of both losing their life
insurance benefit and facing disciplinary action.
The soldiers asked for anonymity because they are concerned they will
face retaliation for going public with the Army's apparently new
directive. At the sources' requests DefenseWatch has also agreed not to
reveal the unit at which the incident occured for operational security
reasons.  
On Saturday morning a soldier affected by the order reported to
DefenseWatch that the directive specified that "all" commercially
available body armor was prohibited. The soldier said the order came
down Friday morning from Headquarters, United States Special Operations
Command (HQ, USSOCOM), located at MacDill Air Force Base, Florida. It
arrived unexpectedly while his unit was preparing to deploy on combat
operations. The soldier said the order was deeply disturbiing to many of
the men who had used their own money to purchase Dragon Skin because it
will affect both their mobility and ballistic protection.
 "We have to be able to move. It (Dragon Skin) is heavy, but it is made
so we have mobility and the best ballistic protection out there. This is
crazy. And they are threatening us with our benefits if we don't
comply." he said.
The soldier reiterated Friday's reports that any soldier who refused to
comply with the order and was subsequently killed in action "could" be
denied the $400,000 death benefit provided by their SGLI life insurance
policy as well as face disciplinary action.
As of this report Saturday morning the Army has not yet responded to a
DefenseWatch inquiry.
Recently Dragon Skin became an item of contention between proponents of
the Interceptor OTV body armor generally issued to all service members
deploying in combat theaters and its growing legion of critics.  Critics
of the Interceptor OTV system say it is ineffective and inferior to
Dragon Skin, as well as several other commercially available body armor
systems on the market. Last week DefenseWatch released a secret Marine
Corps report that determined that 80% of the 401 Marines killed in Iraq
between April 2004 and June 2005 might have been saved if the
Interceptor OTV body armor they were wearing was more effective. The
Army has declined to comment on the report because doing so could aid
the enemy, an Army spokesman has repeatedly said.
A U.S. Army spokesman was not available for comment at the time DW's
original report (Friday - 1700 CST) was published. DefenseWatch
continues to seek a response from the Army and will post one as soon as
it becomes available. Yesterday the DoD released a news story through
the Armed Forces News Service that quoted Maj. Gen. Steven Speaks, the
Army's director of force development, who countered critical media
reports by denying that the U.S. military is behind the curve in
providing appropriate force protection gear for troops deployed to Iraq
and elsewhere in the global war against terrorism. The New York Tiimes
and Washington Post led the bandwagon of mainstream media that
capitalized on DefenseWatch's release of the Marine Corps study. Both
newspapers released the forensic information the Army and Marines are
unwilling to discuss.
"Those headlines entirely miss the point," Speaks said.
The effort to improve body armor "has been a programmatic effort in the
case of the Army that has gone on with great intensity for the last five
months," he noted.
Speaks' assessment contradicts earlier Army, Marine and DoD statements
that indicated as late as last week that the Army was certain there was
nothing wrong with Interceptor OTV body armor and that it was and
remains  the "best body armor in the world."
One of the soldiers who lost his coveted Dragon Skin is a veteran
operator. He reported that his commander expressed deep regret upon
issuing his orders directing him to leave his Dragon Skin body armor
behind. The commander reportedly told his subordinates that he "had no
choice because the orders came from very high up" and had to be
enforced, the soldier said. Another soldier's story was corroborated by
his mother, who helped defray the $6,000 cost of buying the Dragon Skin,
she said.  
The mother of the soldier, who hails from the Providence, Rhode Island
area, said she helped pay for the Dragon Skin as a Christmas present
because her son told her it was "so much better" than the Interceptor
OTV they expected to be issued when arriving  in country for a combat
tour.
"He didn't want to use that other stuff," she said. "He told me that if
anything happened to him I am supposed to raise hell."
At the time the orders were issued the two soldiers had already loaded
their Dragon Skin body armor onto the pallets being used to air freight
their gear into the operational theater, the soldiers said. They
subsequently removed it pursuant to their orders.
Currently nine U.S. generals stationed in Afghanistan are reportedly
wearing Pinnacle Dragon Skin body armor, according to company spokesman
Paul Chopra. Chopra, a retired Army chief warrant officer and 20+-year
pilot in the famed 160th "Nightstalkers" Special Operations Aviation
Regiment (Airborne), said his company was merely told the generals
wanted to "evaluate" the body armor in a combat environment. Chopra said
he did not know the names of the general officers wearing the Dragon
Skin.
Pinnacle claims more than 3,000 soldiers and civilians stationed in Iraq
and Afghanistan are wearing Dragon Skin body armor, Chopra said. Several
months ago DefenseWatch began receiving anecdotal reports from
individual soldiers that they were being forced to remove all non-issue
gear while in theater, including Dragon Skin body armor, boots, and
various kinds of non-issue ancillary equipment.
Last year the DoD, under severe pressure from Congress, authorized a
one-time $1,000 reimbursement to soldiers who had purchased civilian
equipment to supplement either inadequate or unavailable equipment they
needed for combat operations. At the time there was no restriction on
what the soldiers could buy as long as it was specifically intended to
offer personal protection or further their mission capabilities while in
theater.
Nathaniel R. Helms is the editor of DefenseWatch Magazine. He can be
reached at <email_address> Please send all inquiries and comments
to <email_address> .
/end
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to 
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate 
at a high rate of speed.  I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters."
    @stoney: "On 17 Jan 2006 20:43:59 -0800, <email_address> wrote in
alt.atheism 
<quote>
I really cringed when that brainless moron slack-jawed inbred general
told the detail guarding the Afghani President to conform to regulations
rather than increase their survival chances by blending in.  He might as
well have shot them himself.
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to 
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate 
at a high rate of speed.  I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters."
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