@sonofman1: "Mt:23:23: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe 
of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the 
law, *judgment, mercy, and faith*: these ought ye to have done, and not to 
leave the other undone.
The judgement and mercy of YHWH plain stinks:
Num:15:32: And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they 
found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
33: And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and 
Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
34: And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be 
done to him.
35: And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all 
the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
36: And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him 
with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.
Then you will hear fools preaching that the sabbath day was meant to be a 
joyous day, yet in reality it is a day which people are stoned to death if 
they do any work on, which is an absolute necessity in the world.
Jesus fixed what was wrong regarding the sabbath day law by saying man was 
not made for the sabbath, i.e. man should not be held accountable to the 
sabbath. But what YHWH teaches is to STONE TO DEATH without mercy. Is that 
your "God" of love and forgiveness?
Don't be fucking stupid."
    @sonofman1: ""Michael Rhodes" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Nope. He was always told by YHWH what to do. Moses even questioned YHWH on 
this occasion because YHWH contradicted what he told Moses earlier:
Exodus:19:9: And the LORD said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick 
cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with thee, and believe thee for 
ever.  And Moses told the words of the people unto the LORD.
10: And the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to 
day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes,
11: And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come 
down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.
12: And thou shalt set bounds unto the people round about, saying, Take heed 
to yourselves, that ye go not up into the mount, or touch the border of it: 
whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death:
13: There shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely be stoned, or shot 
through; whether it be beast or man, it shall not live: when the trumpet 
soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount.
Right.
Then...
Exodus:19:17: And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet 
with God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount.
18: And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended 
upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, 
and the whole mount quaked greatly.
19: And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and 
louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice.
20: And the LORD came down upon mount Sinai, on the top of the mount: and 
the LORD called Moses up to the top of the mount; and Moses went up.
21: And the LORD said unto Moses, Go down, charge the people, lest they 
break through unto the LORD to gaze, and many of them perish.
22: And let the priests also, which come near to the LORD, sanctify 
themselves, lest the LORD break forth upon them.
23: And Moses said unto the LORD, The people cannot come up to mount Sinai: 
for thou chargedst us, saying, Set bounds about the mount, and sanctify it.
See? Moses was not secondguessing his own previous commandment, but YHWH's.
No. Moses was doing YHWH's will. Even when he didn't want to circumcise his 
child, YHWH sought to kill Moses. (Exodus:4:24)
Moses was certainly not acting under his own authority, and was often lied 
to by YHWH:
Numbers:11:21: And Moses said, The people, among whom I am, are six hundred 
thousand footmen; and thou hast said, I will give them flesh, that they may 
eat a whole month.
22: Shall the flocks and the herds be slain for them, to suffice them?  or 
shall all the fish of the sea be gathered together for them, to suffice 
them?
23: And the LORD said unto Moses, Is the LORD's hand waxed short?  thou 
shalt see now whether my word shall come to pass unto thee or not.
How the word of YHWH came to pass:
Numbers:11:31: And there went forth a wind from the LORD, and brought quails 
from the sea, and let them fall by the camp, as it were a day's journey on 
this side, and as it were a day's journey on the other side, round about the 
camp, and as it were two cubits high upon the face of the earth.
32: And the people stood up all that day, and all that night, and all the 
next day, and they gathered the quails: he that gathered least gathered ten 
homers: and they spread them all abroad for themselves round about the camp.
33: And while the flesh was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the 
wrath of the LORD was kindled against the people, and the LORD smote the 
people with a very great plague.
34: And he called the name of that place Kibroth-hattaavah: because there 
they buried the people that hungered for meat.
There's more of YHWH's love for you."
    @brze: "On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 15:15:24 GMT, Kater Moggin <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
Still, there is no justification to kill a person because of working.
There could be a reason to kill a person for being lazy instead.
You understand it wrong. Not being bothered by the conditions of
physical life doesn't mean waiting for the roasted duck flying onto
the dinner table by itself. Jesus was never against working or living
a good life."
    @sonofman1: ""Michael Rhodes" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
hoo boy. You need to get deprogrammed immediately. "
    @bastaschs: "On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 23:48:27 -0500, Eric Brze <email_address>
wrote:
      snipped
<quote>
  Good point.  But the survival of Yahwism indicates that all too many
don't want to face the truth - hence endless excuses, dominated by
trance logic, are invoked to justify YVHV's insanities.  A useful
model is the battered wife (the ancient Hebrews and current Yahwists)
abused by her faithless, domineering spouse (YHVH).  The more He beats
His faithful, the more they think that He's "proving his love".  A
sick psychology, but it explains at least partially Yahwism's
persistence.
  - sl -"
    @brze: "On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 21:02:07 -0800, shriven leper <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
Yes, it's very sick indeed for the victims of the evil lord. It's a
helpless situation which only Jesus Christ can come to the rescue. No
one can overcome the threat of the evil lord without relying on the
love of Jesus Christ."
    @bastaschs: "On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 04:35:18 -0500, Eric Brze <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
  Yes, Jesus as the Gnostic saviour and emissary of the True Father is
a breath from the transcendent and Unknowable realm...
  - sl -"
    @sonofman1: ""Kater Moggin" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
To me that inidcates that the man found gathering sticks in the wilderness 
was not a man of Israel. So he was therefore ignorant of YHWH's law and thus 
Moses was not sure how to handle it. It does not say the man they found 
gathering sticks was a man of Israel."
    @sonofman1: ""Kater Moggin" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
But Jews are, however, ordered to kill them all and to posess their lands. 
Same shit :)"
    @brze: "On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:45:35 GMT, Kater Moggin <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
I believe working is not a curse. The fear and insecurity that is
forcing people to work out of desperation is the curse. And it's a
curse of deception only. That's why Jesus taught not to be bothered by
it to live one's life a free bird.
I'm sorry, that is going for the extreme, therefore, wrong. The way of
Jesus is always the middle path of love and compassion. Not indulging
in material life, not being bothered by it either."
    @brze: "On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:15:29 GMT, Kater Moggin <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
Jehovah is not just an evil doer. Jehovah is the evil spirit who is
the source of all evil."
    @brze: "On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 01:38:22 -0800, shriven leper <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
I agree. I find Gnosticism is very interesting except it's like a
broken record. Too bad the good thing is always the first to lose."
    @brze: "On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 07:48:35 GMT, Kater Moggin <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
That's like saying all animals on earth are cursed to look for food to
survive, as if in the original creation there was no need for food.
You may think it's a curse, but it's actually just the way of life on
earth.
No, that is not what I meant. The curse is the fear and insecurity.
Working is not a curse.
This is where you misunderstand the teaching. It's in serving mammon,
one is forced to work. Working, however, does not necessarily mean
serving the mammon.
I think on spiritual issues extreme always leads to mistake.
I simply disagree with your interpretation. The description in
revelation is not to be understood literally.
Again, that is not to be understood literally also."
    @brze: "On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:27:14 GMT, Kater Moggin <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
I can not see how that eliminates the need of looking for food.
The necessity of earning one's bread was 
Earning one's bread under the threat of sin is a curse. Earning one's
bread itself is not a curse.
I think you have not gotten the correct understanding of Genesis 3.
I'm not sure I can if you don't want to see it with the common sense.
Common sense says working is never a problem.
According to that logic, all will have to give up working, and all
will ultimately be starved to death.
By the people of today like you? obviously. :-)
Exactly. It's a "symbolization" only. What does it really mean is up
to interpretation.
I agree the picture of revelation is very dramatic, but that is
exactly why it should not be misunderstood from the face value. It's
all symbolization.
I'm not contradicting with Jesus, but you are trying to interpret
Jesus' words in extreme.
e.g., when he"
    @sonofman1: ""Kater Moggin" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
I think that the world does cause its share of stress even if one didn't 
have to work. Just about the only form of work I personally find rewarding 
even if it didn't pay would be creative work, like making movies or computer 
games/simulations. The other form of work that I find rewarding would be the 
kind of work that Jesus did, or the Buddha. Spreading the light of knowledge 
and wisdom to help liberate beings from suffering.  I have a lot of friends 
who are making quite a bit of $$$ with their jobs, but they hate the 
routine.
Everyone wants the freedom to do as they please. In some cases it might be 
bad for them, because they might just end up onthe other extreme of laziness 
and overindulgence in the sensory pleasures of the world. I think that's 
true for mnay people if they had it all, and so work, although not 
fulfilling, might prevent some people from falling into the trap of 
overindulgence.
I can see a lot of people who, if they didn't have to work and had lots of 
$$$, would fall into prostitution and obesity. The life Jesus prescribed for 
his disciples was one where they had to "take up their own cross" to follow 
him. While this doesn't imply working for material gain, it does imply 
self-denial of worldly pleasures and seeking to do only the Father's will. 
"Seek the kingdom of heaven first, and all else will be provided."
In short, I'm not convinced that being freed from the responsibility of 
having to work would be a positive or healthy thing for many, since they 
will only fall to the even worse extreme of overindulgence in luxuries."
    @brze: "On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 15:07:30 GMT, Kater Moggin <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
That's ridiculous interpretation. If to work for a living serves
mammon, does that mean stealing for a living serves God? Or are you
going to kill yourself instead?
snip the rest. "
    @sonofman1: ""Eric Brze" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Interesting point. I don't think the curse is having to work per say, I 
think the curse is being in the flesh, and all the dependencies that go 
along with it.  The existence in the flesh is to be despised, because it 
depends upon the suffering of other beings. I mean, we have it good. Much of 
the animal slaughter that takes place to feed us we don't witness. If 
everytime we ate a meal we actually saw the animal being killed and how it 
suffered to provide us with the meal, I'm sure we wouldn't enjoy our meals 
as much and take quite a different view of hunger.
Something must die so that something must live in this world. I think that's 
the real curse of life on earth. We don't see even a millionth of the 
cruelty that animals suffer daily to other animals. If one saw all this 
death taking place everyday, one would get really sickened about life in 
this world.  But we don't see it. We buy groceries, the restaurants make out 
meals look fancy, they taste good. And we are just kidding ourselves that 
it's good. It's not. But it's our present form of existence, and I doubt 
suicide is the answer. All human beings can do at this point, is the try to 
make life better for human beings, and to also enlighten human beings that 
there is a form of existence by practicing virtue (the noble eightfold path) 
that will lead to the end of suffering and death. "
    @brze: "On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 09:41:37 GMT, Kater Moggin <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
I think that explains your mistake nicely. :-)
Then you will have no way of living left.
So, instead of stealing from people for a living, you hope that you
can steal from God. Are you crazy?
and his 
So you are just another nihilist like Pastor Dave. I wonder how many
Christians believe in nihilism."
    @brze: "On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 19:36:32 -0500, "Lion Of Judah"
<quote>
I believe our current seemingly imperfect and flawed existence can be
a great advantage in gaining insight to the perfect existence. It's
great virtue to practice compassion for all sentient living things,
but it not so great to reject our current state of living. Nihilism is
poisonous."
    @brze: "On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 12:47:41 GMT, Kater Moggin <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
According to Matthew 6:26, God will provide us like he provides to the
birds. That is just another way of saying that nature will be able to
feed everyone, so don't worry about it. That does not mean we are to
be like frozen birds to stand still waiting for a magical being
feeding us. In nature, frozen birds are dead birds. The way of nature
for man is to work to earn his living, just like the way of nature for
bird is to fly to find its food.
God will provide, but we will have to work to put food on the table.
There will be an end of this evil world, yes, so that there can be a
beginning of the good world. The world will end, but life will go on.
Me too. Fortunately, it has always been a lucky success to this day.
:-)"
    @sonofman1: ""Kater Moggin" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
I've always thougth about that. Instead of slaughtering them alive, why not 
put them to sleep first like they do dogs that turned on their masters."
    @sonofman1: ""Eric Brze" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Yes, Nihilism is certainly not the teaching of the buddha. The teachingof 
the buddha was to annhilate all that was impermanent (not self) what remains 
is a boundless and non-individualistic state that is neither perception nor 
non-perception. A state the mind can't think of since thoughts are absent. 
Complete peace, but not annilhation, is what Nirvana is. Like individual 
rain drops falling into the ocean are no longer individual rain drops, 
that's how the Buddha explained the people who achieved the deathless state. "
    @sonofman1: ""Kater Moggin" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Cessation of rebirth into suffering existence isn't total annihaltion, just 
the "shedding off" of what is "not-self" or of what is impermanent or 
corruptible.
The nirvana of the Buddha is beyond perception, however Christ is still able 
to percieve while he is in his Father's deathless/immortal spirit. Which is 
why Jesus says his Father judges no man, but committed all judgement unto 
the Son.
The reason Jesus is made the ultimate judge is because it is Jesus who can 
give the Spirit of his Father to those who keep his commandments. If someone 
doesn't believe in Jesus, Jesus does not judge that person and they are left 
to their own kammas. In fact the judgement Jesus issues forth on the wicked 
are that he tells them to depart from him, they do not inherit eternal life 
with him in his Father's kingdom. And the wicked also are left to their 
kammas which, in the case of the wicked, is usually hell."
    @sonofman1: ""Kater Moggin" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Annhilation of all the components in our being that cause suffering is what 
you meant I guess."
    @sonofman1: ""Kater Moggin" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Here's one that says something like that..
1 Corinthians:13:10: But when that which is perfect is come [the gift of the 
Father's eternal spirit], then that which is in part shall be done away.
11: When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I 
thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
Eternal life is the putting away of all the things that belong to mortality. 
Jesus refers to it as, "entering into the joy of the Lord.""
    @sonofman1: ""Kater Moggin" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Yeah that's exactly what I thought of Jesus' request of John to remain on 
earth till his return (John:21:20)"
    @sonofman1: ""Kater Moggin" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Since you seem to have some buddhist interest as well, you might find my 
first book an interesting read...only $6 for the ebook version.  It reveals 
the Buddha as the anonymous Father of Christ, and with Jesus' last words 
"Father into your hands I commend my spirit" Jesus entered into his Father's 
eternal glory...that Holy Spirit which is boundless and incorruptible. It 
explains why the Father committed all judgement to the Son, debunks 
Mormonism because Joseph smith claims the Father spoke to him saying "This 
is my beloved son" which is a lie. After the resurrection of Jesus he became 
the glorified Christ in the unbound Father who gives the Holy Ghost. Paul's 
testimony is consistent since Paul never claimed the Father said to him, 
"This is my beloved son" because the Father became unbound when Jesus was on 
the cross. Well that's the book in a nutshell, but has other insightful 
passages from Buddhism particularly those that the Buddha speaks in praise 
of his disciple Sariputta whom he called the true and lawful son of the 
Blessed One in Majjhima Nikaya 111.
Here's the link, and my in-depth overview. You probably might have seen it 
posted here some time ago.
<url>"
    @brze: "On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:47:56 GMT, Kater Moggin <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
Hm, it appears you have the tendency to misinterpret everything you
read, not the just Bible.
I was not aware of that. "
    @brze: "On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 19:13:44 GMT, Kater Moggin <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
Even if what you said above were true, it would still pale in
comparison with your claiming of two thousand years old Jesus' time
table. Jesus himself denied he knew anything about the time, but it
doesn't stop you giving him a time table, does it?"
    @bastaschs: "<quote>
       Not to put too fine a point on it, but it seem you mean that
they were  _YHVH's_   only people at that time.  Other gods had other
peoples long before Israel's tribal deity YHVH, came along.
      Not to mention that Gnosticism's alien god had his own people as
well.  For Gnostics, the term "God" is not synonymous with the
Creator, YHVH.  Quite the contrary, Gnostics frequently make a
distinction between the God of Israel and the true God, calling YHVH
"the Demiurge".
  - sl -"
    @sonofman1: ""alen" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Only one example of the murder YHWH has his faithful commit, out of many, 
but even just that one example is enough to prove YHWH is evil. See also the 
post "Imagine being forced to marry someone who killed your family" where 
YHWH tells his prophets its ok if after plundering a city that they desire a 
woman there, they can have her.
Now I don't want to hear any bullshit about soldiers marching. This is not 
man's law we're discussing, but the law of a God that is supposed to exhibit 
the qualities of compassion. YHWH does not. "
    @brze: "On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 11:56:43 GMT, Kater Moggin <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
No one said he was, but you are definitely caught claiming he has a
"time table".
  The opposite:
That is subject to interpretation."
    @brze: "On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:10:40 GMT, Kater Moggin <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
A sequence of events is hardly a time table, and not knowing the day
and hour is not knowing the time. Don't play word game with me.
I have no intention to deny that the disciples of Jesus of Nazareth
are in heaven, and they are the armies of God sent to this world for
the coming of Christ today. Still, it doesn't mean the second coming
of Christ was in 70AD, and it does not suggest there was a time table
known by Jesus.
Your mistake is the lack of common sense which is something only you
yourself can change.
You wish."
    @bastaschs: "<quote>
     You're full of it.  YHVH is not the only true god, regardless of
what the Bible says.  The contextfor posters to these newsgroups  _is_
these newsgroups, wherein many deny the biblical "god" as well as the
interpretations you project on him.  Also you seem to think that even
the biblical god's "Chosen People" found fault with him and quite
understandably broke covenant with him - often because he broke the
covenant first.
    - sl -"
    @sonofman1: ""David Chariot" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Not acording to Jesus...
John:5:37: And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of 
me. Ye have neither heard his voice *at any time*, nor seen his shape.
Plain and simple.
Rest of YHWH's evil garbage snipped on purpose. "
    @sonofman1: ""alen" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
It's also the context of the Devil....
2Thessalonians:2:4: Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is 
called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple 
of God, shewing himself that he is God.
YHWH is a murderer. Get a clue."
    @sonofman1: ""David Chariot" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
There would be no reason for him to say "at any time" if he meant only those 
Jews of his generation, and you're overlooking the even more obvious, which 
is that none of the Jews present had ever claimed to have heard the Father's 
voice, so it woould be silly for Jesus to argue a point that was mute.
You're in the denial of the obvious, but that's what brainwashing does. "
    @sonofman1: ""Kater Moggin" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
I'd like to point out also, that YHWH appears as a thick darkness, which is 
how Mara the Wicked One appeared in a physical manifestation in Buddha's own 
time.
These passages show YHWH speaking from the midst of thick darkness...
Ex:20:21: And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick 
darkness where YHWH was.
Deut:4:11: And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain 
burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and thick 
darkness.
Deut:5:22: These words YHWH spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of 
the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great 
voice: and he added no more.  And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and 
delivered them unto me.
1Kgs:8:12: Then spake Solomon, YHWH said that he would dwell in thick 
darkness.
2Chron:6:1: Then said Solomon, YHWH hath said that he would dwell in the 
thick darkness.
Rv:16:10: And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the 
beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues 
for pain,
And what does Jesus have to say about darkness?
Lk:11:34: The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is 
single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, 
thy body also is full of darkness. "
    @Get: ""alen" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
If you were not so naive, you would know that Job is just a biblical 
character. You really believe that he existed do you?
Explain why a spiritual being in which there is no original sin would with a 
third of the angels, also spiritual beings, have separated from God? There 
is something very fishy about that ridiculous story.
Evil is what this world tic. You couldn't live on this planet if evil wasn't 
part of it. Is money evil? Many Christians think so. Are politicians and 
lawyers evil, of course they are, the whole lot of them.
((:-0)"
    @sonofman1: ""alen" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Ok, so what was the purpose here:
Deuteronomy:2:26: And I sent messengers out of the wilderness of Kedemoth 
unto Sihon king of Heshbon with words of peace, saying,
27: Let me pass through thy land: I will go along by the high way, I will 
neither turn unto the right hand nor to the left.
28: Thou shalt sell me meat for money, that I may eat; and give me water for 
money, that I may drink: only I will pass through on my feet;
29: (As the children of Esau which dwell in Seir, and the Moabites which 
dwell in Ar, did unto me;) until I shall pass over Jordan into the land 
which the LORD our God giveth us.
30: But Sihon king of Heshbon would not let us pass by him: *for the LORD 
thy God hardened his spirit*, and *made his heart obstinate*, that he might 
deliver him into thy hand, as appeareth this day.
31: And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have begun to give Sihon and his 
land before thee: begin to possess, that thou mayest inherit his land.
32: Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, to fight at 
Jahaz.
33: And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his 
sons, and all his people.
34: And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, 
and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:
35: Only the cattle we took for a prey unto ourselves, and the spoil of the 
cities which we took.
So why did YHWH make Sihon's heart obstinate resulting in the killing of all 
those little children?
Why didn't YHWH do like Jesus in Luke:9:53-57 when the village of samaritans 
had rejected the messengers Jesus sent before him, and simply turned away 
from the city instead of destroying it? Jesus rebuked his disciples for 
trying to follow the example set in the Old Testament of destroying them 
teaching them instead, "For the Son of man came not to destroy men's lives, 
but to save them."
And it is also written, "The thief cometh not, but for to steal, to kill and 
to destroy." Jesus was rebuking YHWH of the Old Testament who did exactly 
that to any city that would not surrender their services to them STEAL, 
KILL, DESTROY. "
    @bastaschs: "<quote>
   If you weren't immersed in trance logic, you would see that YHVH
tortured Job on a bet with Satan.  Not only was YHVH so stupid that he
didn't realize that Job was already perfectly righteous, he agreed to
cooperate with Satan's nasty scheme.  Job is YHVH's moral superior.
  Not exactly.  Job kept his dignity while questioning YHVH's insane
torments.
   No afterlife "eternity" for Job.  Only this life.
   No, it would be wonderful to see YHVH justified in his wisdom -
even once.  This will never happen, given Scripture's portrayal of
this mad god.
  At the behest of his creatures?  A&E never asked for the serpent to
come and tempt them, to "fall", and to be punished.  All the evil is
from YHVH's end.
   We can all be thankful that YHVH is a shitty creator deity, not the
true God.
    - sl -"
    @sonofman1: ""alen" <email_address> wrote in message 
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Only the Devil would have you believe slaughtering children is 'compassion'. "
    @sonofman1: ""alen" <email_address> wrote in message 
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You said God defines everything, including compassion presupposing that it 
is God in the OT who orders the mass slaughter of little children, and 
therefore it's not for you to define compassion, but God only who acted 
compassionately by ordering all those children killed.
You're making yourself an easy target for the deceiver warned in Revelation.
And Jesus disagrees with you, btw. It's ultimately for you to decide what's 
right:
Luke:12:57: Yea, and why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?"
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