@knews4u2chew: "<url>
5 years ago the News media in Vegas was saying, "there will be civil
wars between Nevada and California over the water in about 20 years."
I said then, "It will likely be more like 10 years because the media
is rarely accurate."
If the current trend continues it will only be 8 years from their 20
year prediction before all hell breaks loose.
How are all those strippers gonna take showers???
Do you think all those people loosing their houses to foreclosure
there are gonna hang around for "water wars?"
Watch for a HUGE exodus SOON!
But where will they go for "affordable" housing and other resources???"
    @pmaffia: "Ah, the village idiot entertains us with more of his idiotic doom and gloom.
<email_address> wrote in message 
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<quote>
With your batting average of -10000, the likelihood of this occurring is 
about nil.
You are the VILLAGE IDIOT of MORON TOWN!! "
    @pmaffia: "The village idiot parades more of his idiocies for us.
<email_address> wrote in message 
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<quote>
Hey, dufass, first of all I do contribute rational discussion when one 
exists.
You, on the other hand, contribute nothing but idiocies, proudly parade you 
utter lack of any mental abilities, constantly play the part for which you 
are eminently qualified, the Village Idiot of MORON TOWN. "
    @paulthomascpa: "<email_address> wrote
<quote>
With soap and water.......in front of paying customers.
Do you expect them to move in with you?
"affordable" varies with the territory.  Just cross the county line and you 
can find a nice house, for maybe $60k.  Course you'll have to deal with the 
crack heads, junkies and gangs.......but hey......you got a house that's 
maybe the same size and acreage as one costing $500k in CA.  And let's face 
it, you've got most likely the same type of neighbors.
Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it.
Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia"
    @knews4u2chew: "<quote>
Sure, they just need to move to the next county that get's their water
from the same source....
Shit, you are an idiot."
    @pmaffia: "More laughs!!
<email_address> wrote in message 
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<quote>
Post something of substance and I will comment on it.  Your latest boogie 
man is a perfect example of your stupidity.
It is true that because of unprecedented growth, Las Vegas is facing water 
issues.  But that is not good enough for you. In the alternate universe you 
inhabit, this means that Nevada and California are going to war. To any sane 
person the utter stupidity of your conclusion is hilarious.
In other words, you don't post anything of substance that merits comments 
other than the perfectly valid and accurate observation of your woeful lack 
of any mental power.
YOU ARE THE VILLAGE IDIOT OF MORON TOWN!!!!! "
    @knews4u2chew: "<quote>
"My boogie man."
You are a stupid fuck.
Have you EVER read anything about water resources in the West.
You have your head so far up you ass you couldn't see a "boogie man"
if he was picking your brown nose.
Who the fuck do you think you are??
68 MILLION GALLON DEFICIT  DAY IN THREE YEARS EVEN IF THEY IMPLIMENT
THE NEW RESOURCES AVAILABLE AND SPEND 45 MILLION DOLLARS TO PUMP WHAT
THEY GOT.
This is best case scenario you fuck-wit.
Did you bother to read the frickin article?....er..no..I forgot you
don't read.
You are a fuck-tard that just spews puke.
Your mainstream media said "civil wars between Nevada and California"
first, NOT ME YOU FUCK TARD.
To any sane person you are a fuck-tard.
Tell me smart fuck, how are they going to sustain?
You are so fucking smart.
And you are a ignorant ad hominem slinging fuck-tard.
The only thing you know shit about is the big asshole in which you
have your head.
Why don't you call up the TV stations and the Water Control District
in Southern Nevada and tell them that there is no problem.
Just tell them to keep doing what you they doing and don't tell anyone
THERE ISN'T ANY MORE WATER and just wait till they find out for
themsleves when the taps run dry.
Great plan huh fuck-tard?
You got the lock on ignorance dipshit."
    @pmaffia: "The village idiot displays his less than brilliant mental agility for all to 
see.
<email_address> wrote in message 
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<quote>
I am someone who, unlike you, does not have to use gutter language to make a 
point because I lack the language skills to conduct a rationl dialogue.
Obviously you have no clue what I said!
It takes a moron like you to beleive it.
Sane people are not forced to use idiot terms like "fuck-tard" to make 
point.
Sorry, moron, without even trying, I know more about the subject than you 
will ever achieve. But that is not saying much since my dead dog knows more 
bout the subject than you will ever master.
You are THE VILLAGE IDIOT OF MORON TOWN!!!!!! "
    @knews4u2chew: "<quote>
That's what I said.
There will be a mass exodus from Vegas but they will all lose their
asses on the houses they bought.
Vegas is already second on the list of foreclosure states.
I have close friends in the escrow business there, for now, and if it
wasn't for "short sales," which are sales in which the bank losses
money by allowing the debtor to sell for less than they owe, half of
the sales in Vegas already wouldn't be happening.
But where on earth will people go?
There isn't anywhere else "affordable" which is why they all moved
there to begin with."
    @knews4u2chew: "<quote>
Eat dirt.
You think calling someone a moron is more "rational?"
You are worthless.
You NEVER make a logical comment about anything you fuck-tard.
Anyone can read your spew but they all have you killfiled.
You are ignorant.
You don't knowe anything about the responses of crowds and populations
to shortages.
You have been asleep at the wheel your whole life.
And you have the lock on who is sane and who isn't fuck-tard?
Your sickness is immense and fully evident.
Your ad hominem makes so many "points" though doesn't it?
Fuck-tard.
You are a liar.
If you did you wouldn't open your fuck-tard face.
Sure fuck-tard.
Disinfo class 101 is closed."
    @paulthomascpapc: "chewyknews wrote
<quote>
That makes you superior by far.
"knowe"?
They moved to a fucking desert.  What were they to expect.  "Vas 
Vegas......the land of sand."
If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons?
Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia"
    @knews4u2chew: "On Aug 20, 1:31 pm, "Paul Thomas, CPA" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
I'm not trying to be superior like you and the rest of the government
bootlicking shills here.
Oh boy, you caugt me now in a typo.
Oh jeeeeeez, how can I ever be forgiven and live with myself.
You idiot.
How lame do you have to be to point out petty shit like that.
Why don't you CONTRIBUTE something.
I didn't tell anyone to move there.
But i would advise anyone there now to get out ASAP.
And spew comes from you too."
    @don: "<quote>
Not a valid assumption.
Water is a highly inelastic commodity.
Its demand is largely price independent.
Many thanks,
Don Lancaster                          voice phone: 607.592.1896
Synergetics   3860 West First Street   Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
rss: <url>   email: <email_address>
Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at <url>"
    @pmaffia: "Ah, the Village Idiot continues to entertain us.
<email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
eminently rational, especiually when it is 100% accurate.
I will match my worth, however you would care to measure it, against you 
anytime.  But again that is no great achievement since a cow pie is worth 
more than you.
Hey, moron, just because you don't understand my comments does not mean it 
isn't logical. Especially since is another one of those abilities you are 
grossly deficient in.
You wish!
Hey retard, do you understand the word "Hyperbole" that is what the writer 
engaged in. And please, don't challenge or comment on anything I may or may 
not know, you only make more of a fool of yourself.
You wish!
Come now, name one other supporter of your inanities who isn't as stupid as 
you.
I'll match my health, physical or mental agsinst a retard like you any day.
I could care how many points my accurate observation of your mental 
abilities may or may not garner.
Gosh, you relly revel in parading your ignorance.
Like I said, have1st grader look up the word "hyperbole" and explain it to 
you.
You are THE VILLAGE IDIOT OF MORON TOWN!!!!!!- Hide quoted text -"
    @paulthomascpa: "<email_address> wrote
<quote>
How do you get by now?
Contribute to what?  You post bullshit and expect disertations?   No.  You 
post bullshit and get bullshit replies.
Now, now, now.  Don't get your panties all wadded up your crack. I never 
said you did, did I?
It's their choice.  I'm quite sure they can figure it all out on their own 
without your "help".  As if you have any intent to do so.
Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it.
Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia"
    @knews4u2chew: "<quote>
The use of water will decrease because people won't be able to
paytheir water bills.
But supply will also be decreasing.
This means not enough even for those willing to pay.
You can't charge for something you cannot provide.
Only at low water rates.
When it starts costing a thousand dollars to fill your pool or 5
dollars for a shower use will become very elastic.
Again, only at current "relatively low" prices."
    @knews4u2chew: "<quote>
Here you go Mayor of Moron Town.
Read:....if you can....
<url>
But you won't...
Waiting for your spew.......any minute......obviously not enough time
to even load the page......"
    @paulthomascpapc: "<email_address> wrote
<quote>
Water - tap water - is a utility, and to a degree, regulated by government. 
*we all see how they run things*
Here, and in other places racked by drought, we see water restrictions 
(supply control) instead of increasing prices.  The politics of rate 
increases isn't something done as easily as it is in the economy when 
dealing with a private business that can make price changes at their whim.
The problem isn't one of *not enough water*, but of a system of supplying 
clean potable water that can't keep up with demand.  It's more of a failing 
infrastructure (too small of treatment and filtration plants) than of flat 
out *not enough water*.  The existing systems can't handle the demand placed 
on it.
"For those who believe, no explanation is necessary.  For
those who do not, none will suffice." - Joseph Dunniger
Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia"
    @rsturge: "On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:34:40 -0700, Don Lancaster
<quote>
Yes it is.
Still, there are limits to what people will pay for water.
Above that, they will move.
False.  I'm in a Federal water district in Central
California.  Due to the political drought (water shortage
caused more by politics than natural conditions), the cost
of water has greatly increased this year.  Water that used
to sell for perhaps $50/acre foot (325851.4 gallons) above
the government delivery cost (typically around $90/acre
foot) is now selling for up to $700/acre foot above the
government delivery cost.  Consequently, many farmers are
planning on idling all their land not used for growing
permanent crops like almonds or extremely high value crops
like lettuce.  They simply can't afford to pay over
$2,000/acre for water to grow cotton or alfalfa.  The demand
is not price independent.
Robert Sturgeon
Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
<url>"
    @paulthomascpapc: ""Robert Sturgeon" <email_address> wrote
<quote>
You've got to be kidding.  You don't think they'll come to a different 
conclusion.  Maybe finding other sources?
"Oh honey, the water bill doubled over last month!!  What will we do?"
"Well, let's pack up and move to another city."
Is that why the public was faced with tainted lettuce?  the high cost of 
clean water caused the grower to use shitty water?
But they didn't pack up, sell their land, and move.
Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia "
    @knews4u2chew: "On Aug 21, 7:47 am, "Paul Thomas, CPA" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
Wanna bet that is the problem in these "conflict" areas?
From:
<url>
""I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out we have
major water issues in the U.S. and with the fastest-growing community
located in Nevada," said Rep. Shelley Berkley, D-Nev. "Eleven million
(dollars) is not adequate to help solve the crisis that is looming."
Rep. Jon Porter, R-Nev., commended the effort. "We've been working on
this for a decade," he said. "We consider water liquid gold in the
Southwest. I applaud the secretary for giving it attention and
recognizing the seriousness of the issue."
Norton issued the Las Vegas warning in the form of a "conflict map"
that also singled out Carson City; Reno; Albuquerque, N.M.; Denver;
Houston; Salt Lake City; Flagstaff, Ariz.; and the Rio Grande region
as other areas headed for water crises.
Her words of caution came as the upper Colorado River region is
experiencing another consecutive year of severe drought that has
resulted in the lowest water levels in more than 30 years at Lake
Mead, whose drinking water supply serves millions of people in the
southwestern United States.
On Friday, the lake's surface level was at 1,148 feet of elevation,
only three feet above the mark that will trigger a drought alert for
water consumers in the Las Vegas Valley and 23 feet above a drought
emergency level. "
Stick with helping the government steal eveyone's money thru the fraud
tax system Pauly."
    @paulthomascpapc: "<email_address> wrote
<quote>
yeah.
And that just supports my claim.
The infrastructure to provide clean potable water is insufficient for that 
area's population and the demand that population created.
If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons?
Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia"
    @saints2060: " Those Vegas a-holes should be force to construct a desalinization
plant for their water.
 But I know what's going to happen...
 They're going to steal water from the Great Lakes....mark my words.
 A HOLES !!!"
    @paulthomascpapc: ""Shadowland" <email_address> wrote
<quote>
Sneaky bastards.
"For those who believe, no explanation is necessary.  For
those who do not, none will suffice." - Joseph Dunniger
Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia"
    @pmaffia: "The Village Idiot of MORON TOWN continues to push his idiot "war over water" 
scenario.
<email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Of course you ignore all the stories about how officials of all the States 
involved, have been negotiating, reaching agreements, making proposals etc..
You moron, the "war" you espouse is nothing more than a war of words and law 
suits.
I have met a lot of stupid people in my day. But I have never met anyone as 
dumb as you. You are so dumb that is hard to believe that you can possibly 
function in the real world. If one had to bet, the odds would favor the fact 
that you must be either living at home, protected and cared for by mommy and 
daddy, or in an institution for developmentally handicapped persons.
YOU ARE THE VILLAGE IDIOT OF MORON TOWN!!!! "
    @don: "<quote>
Yes.
Your economic assumptions are totally wrong for an inelastic commodity.
With an inelastic commodity, the demand is largely independent of price.
"price goes up as demand dwindles" is not a valid assumption.
Many thanks,
Don Lancaster                          voice phone: 607.592.1896
Synergetics   3860 West First Street   Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
rss: <url>   email: <email_address>
Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at <url>"
    @don: "<quote>
The problem has nothing whatsoever to do with domestic city water customers.
The problem is ridiculous irrigation subsidies to farmers over crops 
that should never have been planted in the desert in the first place.
The problem is instantly solvable by charging ALL water users thirty 
cents per thousand gallons.
Many thanks,
Don Lancaster                          voice phone: 607.592.1896
Synergetics   3860 West First Street   Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
rss: <url>   email: <email_address>
Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at <url>"
    @paulthomascpapc: "<email_address> wrote
<quote>
All the more reason to take showers together...........
course you might not actually take shorter showers that way.........."
    @don: "<quote>
A plan was seriously proposed a few years back to provide Phoenix water 
from the Mackenzie river!
Many thanks,
Don Lancaster                          voice phone: 607.592.1896
Synergetics   3860 West First Street   Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
rss: <url>   email: <email_address>
Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at <url>"
    @paulthomascpapc: "<email_address> wrote
<quote>
It may play a part in some people's decisions, but there are so many 
variables for any one person's decision, and so many people making decisions 
that the net sum of variables are near endless.  The cost of living is 
generally overcome by higher wages and/or greater opportunity for profits.
It's no doubt more expensive to live in certian parts of the country, but 
those same places generally carry an average higher income to counter (or 
cause?) the high costs.
Grow sand?  If a farmer is relying on municipal water sources to irrigate 
their crops, well, those are some damned expensive crops.
It really comes down to one of economics.  Can the farmer compete in the 
marketplace and still pay a growing water bill, or, do they relocate their 
farming operations adjacent to a lake, river or other available water 
source?  That's it.
If the jobs move, so do the people.
Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia "
    @rsturge: "On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:21:33 +0000 (UTC),
<quote>
I don't know why it would be.  If it becomes twice or three
times as expensive to live in Town A than in Town B, due the
the increased cost of water, surely people will be more
likely to live in Town B.
Robert Sturgeon
Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
<url>"
    @paulthomascpapc: ""Robert Sturgeon" <email_address> wrote
<quote>
Just because of the cost of water?
Please.
Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it.
Paul A. Thomas, CPA"
    @don: "<quote>
A very real problem shows up at national caver conventions.
Normally, there are his, her, and coed showers.
When only two sets of facillities are available, they use them as "coed" 
and "everybody else".
Many thanks,
Don Lancaster                          voice phone: 607.592.1896
Synergetics   3860 West First Street   Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
rss: <url>   email: <email_address>
Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at <url>"
    @don: "<quote>
The flaw in this argument is that the cost of water would have to go up 
by many thousands of times to impact the total cost of living in any 
given town.
Many thanks,
Don Lancaster                          voice phone: 607.592.1896
Synergetics   3860 West First Street   Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
rss: <url>   email: <email_address>
Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at <url>"
    @paulthomascpapc: "<email_address> wrote
<quote>
Not me.  Although there is a minimum amount of consumption that is mandatory 
to live, there are huge amounts of waste that we, as Americans specifically, 
seem to "enjoy" or see as a "right".
Well obviously demand moves with the population to some degree, but I doubt 
that a doubling of price will halve the demand.  Conversely, if you cut the 
price of water I doubt all-of-the-sudden people will use twice as much.
Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia "
    @rsturge: "On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:09:11 +0000 (UTC),
<quote>
Based on my knowledge of the situation in California, the
answer is  no.  Water dedicated to ag use is not available
for sale to the city slickers.  If it was, the ag use of
surface water (water captured by dams and distributed
through canals  and their subsystems) would virtually
disappear.  Now, I personally believe that would be a Good
Thing, since water, like all resources, should be allocated
according to market forces.  But there are powerful
political forces that want ag water to only be available to
agriculture, thus preserving the ag economy.  Many small
California towns (Firebaugh is a good example) would dry up
and blow away without ag.
It's even worse than that  most water districts do not
even allow water to be sold and transferred from one ag
water district to another.  The reason is obvious: they get
money for providing the distribution services required to
use the water.  District revenues would decline if water was
exported from a district to a neighboring district.  The
result is that water prices are suppressed, and the "highest
and best use" of water is also suppressed.
Oddly enough, right now I have some water rights for sale.
If I could sell them in neighboring districts, I could get
somewhere between $500 and $700 per acre foot for just one
year's use (a truly astounding sum).  But as it is, I'll be
lucky to get $375/acre foot.  Even that makes the water sale
the most profitable activity I'll be doing this year  by
far.
hmmm...  This is one of my Pet Peeves with modern economics.
USAGE will shrink as demand drives up prices.  But I don't
see how demand itself will shrink.  To say it will is to say
that higher demand creates lower demand.  HUH???  And
PLEASE, don't bother telling me that the Econ textbooks say
this is what happens.  I know they do.  They have to be
wrong, because they define "demand" as the amount used at
some given price.  They're really saying that at
market-clearing prices, the demand and volume are the very
same thing, which is nonsensical.  Why bother with two terms
to describe a single variable???
Robert Sturgeon
Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
<url>"
    @rsturge: "On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:02:50 +0000 (UTC),
<quote>
That's one of the "reasons given," but it's a minor
consideration compared to The Money.
That's what I think, too.  Oddly enough, I only became aware
of this situation a short time ago.  I usually trade off my
canal water (which, for technical reasons, I can't use
anyway) to a neighbor in exchange for the use of his farm
equipment and employees.  I had known about the absurd water
prices earlier this summer, but I had assumed that my water
was already gone, so, "Oh well..."  It turns out that the
neighbor had found enough other water to not need mine, and
he simply could not, in good conscience, either use or sell
my water.  So he informed me that I needed to sell it
myself.  Now when I manage to sell it, I'll owe the neighbor
more money for the farm work, but still I'll come out FAR
ahead.  A small scale personal "black swan" of the Good
Kind.
When you are allowed to sell the water, then the true value
of the water you use is made known to you.  It is becoming
obvious to many farmers here they simply can't afford to use
their water for farming grain, alfalfa, cotton, melons, that
sort of thing. Instead they're starting to plan on selling
it to other farmers who grow more valuable crops like
almonds, tomatoes, lettuce.  If they could sell it to
cities, they'd do that too  for even more money.
It should be noted that only the marketplace can so
efficiently allocate scarce resources.  Politics never can.
As seen earlier in this thread, when politics does interfere
with the marketplace, the result is inevitably that the
resource usage is distorted, and seldom in a Good Way.
Robert Sturgeon
Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
<url>"
    @rsturge: "On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:57:53 +0000 (UTC),
(snips)
<quote>
Those are always used as excuses to interfere in the
marketplace and make the results (most efficient use of
resources) worse.  If "they" could stifle themselves enough
to keep their interference to the bare minimum necessary, I
wouldn't mind so much.  They never do.  Politics comes into
the equation.  The lobbyists and special interests gin up
reasonable sounding excuses; they bribe the politicians; and
the marketplace be damned.
Robert Sturgeon
Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
<url>"
    @bbrock: ""Robert Sturgeon" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Damed straight.  Damn the government for trying to stop employers from 
working illegal immigrants so that they don't have to pay a fair wage.  We 
need more illegals to help them get richer while our quality of life erodes. "
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