@cosmic: "You had better pray for that piece of shit Stick of yours, Doug.
What the fuck is wrong with these people?
<url>
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    @me: "What on earth is your problem? Why must you use such language. Some kids may 
read this group. Please tone it down a bit.
Thanks
Jim in Houston
"kT" <email_address> wrote in message 
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<quote>"
    @cosmic: "<quote>
Well, shit, I didn't know that.
Don't their parents censor them or anything?
I thought we had firewalls and stuff for that kind of thing.
Now, will you please tell us why I shouldn't be outraged when this idiot 
  invokes the church and then asks us real rocket designers, people who 
have actively been designing rockets for decades, and are now double 
checking his numbers on sophisticated space flight simulators, if we 
have a fucking life, on a public rocket designers forum no less?
Then he goes on to propose that they are just going to end up cancelling 
the stick anyways, and replacing it with a gigantic fucking moon rocket.
And then you complain when I comment on that?
What the fuck is wrong with you?
And thank you so much for commenting on the usenet. I can't help it, 
we're rocket scientists and experienced astronaut trainees. Out here in 
the wild, we talk like that. If you want tame, try the moderated forums.
Really, when it comes to the Stick, there is just no other way.
Any other description just simply pales in comparison.
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    @cosmic: "<quote>
Ok, how about this : WTFIWWY?
What the fuck is wrong with you?
The Stick stinks, how often should we say it?
I can put a five meter cryogenic stack into any number of large 
transport aircraft, and fly the damn thing around the country.
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    @cosmic: "<quote>
I've spent the greater part of my time out of the country for the past 
few decades, working on my own offshore rocket center design, and when I 
finally did arrive back in the states more or less semipermanently, what 
I found was the treasury emptied, the nation divided, and at war again, 
and a less than satisfactory rocket design. Let's just say I'm pissed.
I'm almost OK with the Ares IV/V now, but the Stick has been a huge and 
costly diversion, almost as bad as the huge and costly diversion of VSE. 
Really, I should be overjoyed, because it has forced them to consider a 
really large Mars ship, but the Stick puts the entire thing in jeopardy.
If you reengine the Ares V first stage with SSMEs, it's going to orbit. 
Retiring our SSMEs would be the dumbest thing we could possibly do now. 
Ordinary arguments simply do not adequately express how stupid this is. 
I'm invoking the ghosts of Konstantin Tsiolkovsky, Wernher von Braun and 
Krafft Ehricke here. Ok guys, what do you think of those SSMEs, eh?
You want more spirituality in rocket science?
Orbiter : download OrbiterSound, the high resolution Level 10 Earth, and 
Orbiter Fan's Delta IV Medium, Vinka's spacecraft dlls, etc. and you're 
on your way. Currently we're in the process of hacking it up, and I've 
got a guy who will help me come up to speed on the recompiling of dlls, 
since I'm mostly a Forth guy. Once we release our first SSTO and stage 
and a half toolkit, we're planning on taking a look at the internals.
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    @damon1six1: ""<email_address>" <email_address> wrote in 
news:<email_address>:
<quote>
Keep reading his postings; you'll see for yourself.
Whatever useful inputs he makes are offset by his antisocial
behavior and most of us have kill-filed him.
Damon "
    @om: "<quote>
...Jim, "Kt" is Tommy Lee Elfritz. If you'll do a Google Groups search
on sci.space.history and/or sci.space.policy, you'll find he is an
admitted neo-Nazi troll who lives in Bermuda, making a meager
existence selling overpriced hydroponic equipment to suckers and dope
growers. Although his anti-NASA and anti-space-in-general rantings
disgust all of us, it's his anti-semitism that we normal people find
inexcusable and abhorrent. Until someone finally removes him from the
face of the Earth, do us - and yourself - a major favor and killfile
him. The more people killfile the worthless sack of inhuman excrement,
the less of a chance he'll be able to plague us with his insane
hate-filled rhetoric.
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    @om: "On 15 Jan 2007 11:26:29 -0800, "<email_address>"
<quote>
[blank stare]
...Excuse me, what illegal narcotics did you say you were taking these
days?
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    @damon1six1: "OM <email_address> wrote in 
news:<email_address>:
<quote>
He sounds like a newbie. Hopefully his naivety will be cleared up shortly.
Damon"
    @cosmic: "<quote>
Gee, thanks for sharing. You've really done your research.
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Get A Free Orbiter Space Flight Simulator :
<url>"
    @om: "On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:43:28 -0600, Damon Hill
<quote>
...Either that, or he's from a group that has never encountered
Elfnazi before, and has somehow been troll-free all this time.
[thinks]
...Nah, you're probably right. He's a n00b.
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    @cosmic: "<quote>
It should get off the ground alright. The question is, will it ever get 
built, and will it get to the International Space Station? Here it is :
<url>
<url>
Now if they could arrive at the space station with a five meter upper 
stage complete with a J2-X engine and some extra fuel, and a large 
capsule with long duration lifeboat capabilities, that would be great.
I hear the Soviets are looking for new International Space Station 
partners. How much do you think a 100 billion dollar space station is 
worth at the bank, as collateral for a capital investment loan?
I know, it's not quite finished, and it's a fixer upper ...
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    @me: "Not a troll, I post here all of the time.
Regards
Jim in Houston
"Rand Simberg" <email_address> wrote in message 
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<quote>"
    @me: "Thanks Om, I see your point. I'm not a newbie per se, but I hadn't seen his 
postings before. I only post when I have a question, or what I think is a 
helpful comment. I apologize for my ignorance. As for KT, <plonk>.
Regards,
Jim in Houston
"OM" <email_address> wrote in message 
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<quote>"
    @cosmic: "<quote>
No you don't, you embrace Jesus Christ as your chief designer.
I'm perfectly ok with that, Jim, I'm an SI units kind of guy.
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    @me: "Does it really matter if I post on top, bottem or after each comment?
Just like lingo, or political or social correctness, usenet etiquette, if 
there is such a thing, is always changing. Back in the day of BBS systems we 
were just interested in the exchange of ideas and information. Pepole were 
courteous and polite. We didn't care if you posted on top or bottom, as long 
as you posted.
Regards,
Jim in Houston
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<quote>"
    @cosmic: "<quote>
Look Jim, if you are going to hang out with pseudo fascists like Rand, 
and actual fascists like Mosley, you've got to get with the program.
Look at it this way, would Jesus top post here too?
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    @om: "On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:11:53 GMT, <email_address> (Rand
<quote>
...Since Rand decided to resort to his usual two-line retort, here's a
more detailed explanation:
Simply put, top-posting reverses the flow of the conversation. In
print, the flow of information goes from the top of the page to the
bottom. Ergo, anything added goes at the bottom so as to preserve the
logical flow structure. When you top post over a quote, people have to
go back through the post *after* they've read your comment to see just
what the frack you're talking about.
So please, quit top-posting. It's been one of Usenet's biggest no-no's
since its inception...
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    @om: "<quote>
Horse-hockey.
...I ran Klingon Empire BBS for exactly ten years before I retired
from BBSing - the Internet and the Web killed the BBS, but that's
another story - and top-posting was *not* suffered unto anyone in
those days. If the BBS software had a full-screen editor - most didn't
- and you quoted text, you were expected to trim your quotes and *not*
top-post the replies. Those who did usually got slapped once, then
banned from access the second time. And while WWIVNet didn't have any
policies against top-posting, FiDOPEnet forums varied on the matter.
Some sysops and forum leads would purge posts *and* ban BBS' from
subscribing to their forums if the top-posting wasn't curtailed
immediately upon detection.
...Believe me, top-posting makes a difference in whether your posts
look retarded or not. About the only one we tolerate is Brian Gaff,
and his condition is a ssppeecciiaall ccaassee that I just censored so
he'll get annoyed that he can't hear those nasty things I just said
about him and his pet poodle...:-)
So again, please, don't top-post.
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    @me: ""OM" <email_address> wrote in message 
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Oh, Okeydoky from now on I shall "bottom post".
Thanks again OM
Regards
Jim in Houston "
    @me: ""OM" <email_address> wrote in message 
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<quote>
Again, if it means that much to you, I will forever never top post again. 
Brian is not special, just blind. I went to a special school for handicapped 
children, many of them were blind. Although they (and I), needed special 
equipment, the last thing we wanted was special treatment. Besides anyone 
who owns a poodle dosn't deserve special treatment, just ask my Rat Terrier.
Regards
Jim in Houston "
    @cosmic: "<quote>
And you thought I was mean?
Jesus was some guy. That alone makes him extra special.
I haven't read the bible all the way though, so I'm not exactly sure 
where it stands on top posting. Better safe than sorry, though.
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    @om: "<quote>
...And trim your quotes, too :-)
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    @om: "On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:35:36 -0600, Pat Flannery <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
...And I thought his name was Yeshua Ben-Yosef, which if you really
strip away all the Christian veneer, is how he would have been
referred to in legal documents. Yeshua somehow gets converted in Roman
to "Iesua", and again to "Iesus", and IIRC Asimov's Guide to the
Bibble explained this a bit.
Personally, I prefer the Roman transliteration, as terms like "Yeshua
Nut" or "Yeshua, he's such an idiot!" just don't have the same ring...
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    @om: "<quote>
...Actually, Jesus was the subject of one of the funniest bathroom
graffitis I ever had the privledge of reading while taking a piss:
"JESUS IS THE ANSWER!"
"Oh really? Then what's the question, then?"
"Who was Felipe & Matty Alou's brother?"
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    @om: "On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:01:39 -0600, Pat Flannery <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
...JimO is a special case that doesn't involve a handicap. Not sure
what it is, tho, but it's earned him an exemption.
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    @dinehnmKILLSPAM: ""Pat Flannery" <email_address> wrote in message 
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But *only* because we are all James Oberg. "
    @reply0703: "In sci.space.history message <<email_address>
<quote>
posted:
When complaining about top-posting, include excessive quoting.
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