@jay: "Recently when I watched Final Trailer I realised that this Main Machine's
"face" is made of huge amount of Sentinels...or is it just an illusion??
If that's true...what does it mean?That there is no main machine and every
machine is "the boss":)?"
    @melloccino: "<quote>
No illusion, Profil1!
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Quite possibly, but no-one here knows what it means with absolute precision,
though some may attempt to convince us otherwise. Anyone?
Hmmm... it seems very akin to collective-consciousness &
collective-processing manifest. Maybe in the machine world, "the boss" is
simultaneously 'one' & 'none'... perhaps they all 'rule' yet no 'one'
machine 'rules'. In this context, it reminds me of Morpheus "... they are
everyone, and they are no one..." line about agents. I'll go with what
you've said, until disproven or until evidence renders it impossible.
*shrugs* Who knows... who knows... =-)
Melloccino
"Waiting... for what they do not know""
    @melloccino: "<quote>
... or maybe if the 'boss/es' don't actually exist within machine/s, perhaps
the squiddies have formed to simply provide a real-world "avatar" for the
intangible "being/quality" of the boss/es?
Thus, the sentinels might also symbolise both the collective potential of
actual machines, along with the collective potential of the entire machine
species (including tangible & intangible beings).
*shrugs again*
Melloccino
"The heart has its reasons which reason knows nothing of""
    @mr: "wrote:
<quote>
Well, it's made up of -something-, allthough I don't think it's sentinels. You 
can see some of them flying "behind" Neo (if that is Neo, which we presume it 
is) and they are the same size, so the 'face' isn't as far away as it would 
need to be if those really were sentinels.
Maybe it's not something physical, but rather a hologram or something like 
that? Who knows.
I don't think you can reach a good conlusion either way based on this, there 
are too many possibilities.
Sandman[.net]"
    @melloccino: "<quote>
Are you sure, Sandman? *looks again... and again*
Hmmm... you could very well be right, but the photo from the site (below),
combined the flying [insert whatevers] in the trailer seems to suggest it's
probably sentinels. Then consider the article with ESC/ Gaeta/Takai, that
says quote "...1/4 million sentinels [can] now travel in complex groups and
squadrons, forming even larger beasts...".
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Hmmm...
Melloccino
"The heart has its reasons which reason knows nothing of""
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it's
and
After this foto I'm almost sure...the funniest thing is that I saw it when
you posted a bunch of theese photos earlier but I didn't realise it...
JPM...what's your opinion...just can't wait to hear it:)...?"
    @mr: "<quote>
See, you got an image!
BUt if you look at that image, you'll see what I mean. Can't you see that some 
of the "things" that the face is made up of is flying behind the person in the 
image (i.e. between him and the camera).
Unless you have another definition of Sentinels in the Matrix world, those are 
way too small to be sentinels (i.e. those huge squiddie things).
See what I mean?
Sandman[.net]"
    @melloccino: "<quote>
Man, you are entirely right. Hmmmm... from looking at the 'French'
storyboards for so long I come to the belief that the 'God' was further away
from Neo than it actually looked. It does make me wonder (note that because
I wasn't entirely sure, I DID say "... flying [insert whatevers] here..."
hehe) if perhaps there are different kinds of machines, that are part of the
same genus/ subspecies, if you know what I mean?
Would machines be subject to the same physical 'adaptive' processes (machine
"darwinism") as other biologically based animals/ plants? I believe so.
Hmmmm... great spot for detail on that pic. Thanks! Actually, when the
squiddie is moving up in the 2'30" trailer, it seems that the face is
already formed, so that pic is either the face dissipating, else the footage
in the clip is in reverse sequence.
Cheers,
Melloccino
"The heart has its reasons which reason knows nothing of""
    @melloccino: "<quote>
NO! No no no no no no, man, you've misunderstood my point entirely.
In the sense that it would be certain that machines, in designing new
machines/ programs, in a sense follow design processes not all that
dissimilar to that of biological evolution. That is, machines, in designing
'new' machines, in a sense are creating new sub-species of machines by
developing machines for fulfil certain roles, while dropping older programs/
machines that become redundant or faulty, or dropping certain aspects of
machines that become superceded.
I meant that such a process is analogous to biological evolution.... and
that within the entire 'race' of machines there thus exist different
sub-species of machines.
Melloccino
"The heart has its reasons which reason knows nothing of""
    @melloccino: "<quote>
Sandman, I just want to clarify what I meant above. Please don't
misinterpret the "no's".. it was supposed to have a '=-P' at the end.
Misunderstandings... who needs 'em?
I simply don't want to contribute to the increasingly bigoted, arrogant,
narrow-minded, negative vibe/attitudes within this group, that I've seen of
late. (*NB. I'm NOT referring in any way to the top-posting incident,
man...). LOL
Heineken?
Melloccino
"The heart has its reasons which reason knows nothing of""
    @mr: "<quote>
I see what you mean, and while one could caim it is similar to biological 
evolution it is only so in a very loose way.
Biological evolution isn't only, to Darwins high distress, only survival of the 
fittest. There are a number of things that point to Darwins theory not holding 
true at all times. This aside, it's quite clear that a spceices evolve to 
better fit the environment in which it lives.
Now, the difference between nature and the machines are that they are, as I 
said earlier, built to better fit the environment in which they WILL live. This 
works in pretty much the same way a car company chooses to build a four wheel 
drive car because they want to sell cars to people who want to drive off road - 
not because the environment in which their usual cars demand it.
I am only making the distinction because we are talking about Sentinels and 
<another machine alltogether, which purpose is totally unknown to us> and not 
<newer version of Sentinel>
Had it been model 2.0 of the Sentinel, then the darwin analogy would have fit 
better, allthough not perfectly.
I realise that your question migt have been a sidenot, not necessarily related 
to Sentinels/this new thing, but I felt I wanted to clarify.
And even if we look at merely new and old models of Sentinels, there are a 
number of factors that make it a bad fit for darwinism. The general consensus 
of Darwinism is that traits that progresses the species, adapting it to the 
environment, traits that make it stronger and better fit to hunt and defend 
itself, and traits that make the males (generally) better at attracting femals 
are what drives the evolution.
With machine evolution, the differences between Sentinel 1.0 and Sentinel 2.0 
aren't solely (but partly) based on it's adaption to the current situation. It 
may have better weapons and defences and it may be better at flying in sewers 
(though I don't think attracting female Sentinels is a priority) but rather new 
technology. And these are also not traits carried from one generation to 
another, but rather desicions made from one generation which makes them build 
the next (in the case of the machines).
The analogy reveersed would be hmans building our own children, to remedy the 
shortcomings that we are aware of, but darwinism isn't really working that way.
Anyway, long reply. :)
Sandman[.net]"
    @sergiorogerdontspam: "On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 04:22:11 +1000, "Melloccino"
<quote>
If what you describe is correct, then I've got the solution for Neo,
based on  the best STTNG ep 'the Best of both worlds.' 
If all the squiddies are interconnected, then get one and then try to
hypnotize it or tell it dull stories so it goes zombie and immobilizes
all the rest of the Sentinels. Then they're home free! 
Just like Picard and the Borgs ;-)"
    @jpmccord: "<quote>
It's the Buddhist/Taoist reference that there may or may not be a God, but
that the supreme binding force of life and the universe pervades and is
all..."
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