@jkezwind: "This pronouncement from W found in today's paper:
President Bush, speaking at a community college in southern Arkansas,
meade only passing reference to the increasing violence in Iraq.
"We've got tough work there because, you see, there are terrorists
there who would rather kill innocent people than allow for the advance
of freedom. That's what you're seeing going on. These people who hate
freedom, and we love freedom, and that's where the clash occurs. It's
going to take awhile for them to understand what freedom is all
about."
All evidence indicates that the increasing violence is being caused by
insurgent Iraqis, and not outside terrorists. But Bush continues to
blame it all on terrorists, still trying, apparently, to convince
Americans of the bogus al Qaeda>Iraq>9/11 connection. When will Bush
understand that freedom can't be imposed?
JimK"
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 al kayduh is an open system. any arab  infected with hatred for  america
or jews and christains can be  grouped with al kayduh and  is in our
crosshairs. Smoke'em.We went in to iraq  to excise hussein, al kayduh, with
the above definiton, infiltrates iraq and  is the main perpetrator of
insurgent attacks on our soldiers and the new emerging iraqi governmental
structure.Bush entertains no ideas of sumbission to any force opposing the
aim of  restoring  legitimate government in iraq.As regretable as  any
soldiers deaths are and nobody involved makes light of their deaths  they
aren't at risk from the majority of iraqis who thirst for a return to
normalcy and the premature terminsation of  operations due to  casualties
would allow conditons for forces hostile to  us to take over control thus
effectively cancelling our  initial objective  vis a vie a free  iraq.If
you  totally reject the idea  that hussein was  always going to be a growing
threat to us and  our allies in that regeion then  you'll  always  believe
going in was wrong and  see  every life lost   there as  a waste  and on
bushes hands.That  seems unfortunate  to me. I can't say i believe hussein
would never have  been a danger to us weather by launching an attack on  us
or israel  himself or more probably funneling  destructive weapons to those
who  want to  attacks us and our interests and so was justifiably  removed
with all concommitant events."
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 to the  degree  anyone  in this administration triess to blurr  facts and
hope  people are too dumb to catch on  i  oppose them. If they however  can
present additional  substaniated  facts to support  a military  action   i
will with sobriety support it. The idea that  no military action is
justified  in iraq  has not  reached me with  persuasive effect  yet.It just
looks like  the forces who were  looking for a fight beforehand  are
jumping in requireing us to respond. When i see  pictures of  people
identified as  terrorosts  while  an alleged recording  of their voice is
being  read through a translator i  look at that  face in the picture and
think man why do you  think killing  us is  your only answer and invariably
the   answer i find( and no the picture isn't   talking back   thank you) is
Islam. The answer is  we  are infidels in their world view and must die or
become  muslims  this  is all thats  going on in their heads. I  don't think
we  ought to  lay down and give them free reign to  exercise that world view
do you?
     When i was    in my 20's  living in Santa Cruz mainly and    generally
all over  california, i at one  point  grew dreads and was hanign alot  with
the Rastas,    killer drum circles in the Louden Nelson Center  playground
mon  , I eventually had to confront their  belief  that Haile Salasie was
Jesus Christ aka God. It   of course is not the case and so  i  grew apart
from rather than closer  becasue this information was not  well received
thereby.They never suggested i should die becasue i  said  Salasie I was  a
man and not God Almighty but the parallel is there   in the  blind devotion
to a false  notion.
    Jesus  i believe would rather  our  islamic adversaries see Him as
Saviour  before they  stand before Him as Judge  and so would i   but  when
that adversary lifts a gun to  kill me  i will  hopefully, if only thru the
marines, beat him to the punch."
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