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Do computer repair centers ever replace HDs with smaller ones
and not tell customers?  I took my Compaq equipped with
80 gig HD to ****USA but got back a 40 gig.   My data wasn't
lost, but the drive is definitely smaler, according to the BIOS
and the label on the HD.
My original problem was that the computer would freeze
or blue screen every other day, and changing the PS didn't
help.  Apparently the original PS was bad and the second
one was inadequate because the repair center put in yet
another, and the computer has been rock solid ever since.
The repair center denies that the replaced the drive and said
that they only ran a diagnostic on it.  I have the receipt for
the original HD (was an upgrade) and registered its serial
no., but the repair center says that it's not enough proof.
What can I do?
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    @bennett: "<quote>
I'd be surprised if they did...
Only exception I can think of is warranty repair of computer equipment 
that uses propretary parts...and Compaq is well known for propretary 
hardware.
If the computer you brought in was very old, that may be why...but it 
really sounds most likely that either...
A. You're mistaken about there ever being a larger HD in there.
-or-
B. They replaced the HD with what they had then (or got mixed up).
In any event, the cost difference between 40GB and 80GB is virtually 
nil these days so I doubt such an action would for cost savings alone.
And lastly, be glad your computer data is fine - very often data is 
lost and/or programs don't work properly after computer repairs; most 
all computer repair shops strongly recommend users to maintain backups 
at all times and further take no responsibility for lost data, etc.
Ron Bennett"
    @noemail: "On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 01:12:43 -0700, "George L." <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
If you got enough proof, take them to small claims court.  Go to your
local courthouse and file the case.  
Before you do that........
One thing that comes to mind is whether you could possibly have a
partition.  Drive C: would be your first partition.  I assume you got
a cdrom, so that should be D: (but not always, since you can change
the drive letter).  Do you see a drive D: or E: or F: etc?
Maybe they partitioned your drive in half."
    @spamyourself: "If, what you say is true, I doubt if they will put in the equivalent
capacity HD unless they have further motivation.
You can arm yourself with the original specifications of the Compaq on paper
before personally speaking to the manager.
Make a report to your local Better Business Bureau.  They usually don't act
on one case, but if it becomes prevalent, the BBB may investigate and
possibly blacklist them.
File a suit in small claims court.  A civil case involves less burden of
evidence on the plaintiff.  You can recoop the cost of the attorney and
court costs as part of the suit if you win.
Arbitration, if both parties agree to it.
Find others in similar dilemma with same place of business and develop a
class action suit.
Call your local newspaper and TV news, get them interested.  Business hates
bad press.
Or, just blow it off because your PC works and you don't feel this is worth
the effort.
Dave
news:<email_address>
<quote>"
    @srhi: "wrote:
<quote>
At first, I thought that your hard disk might be fragmented. If the BIOS 
shows a smaller hard drive, then fragmentation isn't involved. Contact 
the CEO of CompUSA (go to the top) in writing and explain just what you 
explained here and request that you either be compensated for the 
smaller hard drive or have a larger hard drive installed. Do not mess 
with local store management in this case; go right to the top."
    @AaronDavis: "<quote>
Compare the physical stickers on the outside of the disk with what your
receipt shows.  Look for a match on serial number, make and model if
possible.  If your positive it's not the disk that was in you machine
before the repair, call the BBB and possibly the State Attorneys office.  
If you don't get resolution with those two - go to small claims court.  Let
us know what happens.  Good luck."
    @none: "news:<email_address>
<quote>
I can't help but wonder if perhaps your machine wasn't mistakenly subjected
to an accidental repair, intended for another machine they were working on.
It would be very easy for this to happen, especially since most branded PC's
look the same across model ranges, maybe a stupid tech picked on the wrong
machine.
Maybe you could contact the manager of the store and ask them to check
against all the repairs being done at the time for some evidence this could
have taken place.
Something else to consider is visually inspecting the drive, checking for
damage and also running the manufacturers "Disk Diagnostics" on the drive
yourself, just to make sure that something isn't wrong with it.  "REMEMBER
TO BACKUP ALL YOUR DATA BEFORE YOUR START"
Maybe the tech that did the diagnostic inadvertently changed your partition
size.
Good Luck."
    @nobody: "news:<email_address>
<quote>
Why would they go to the trouble of replacing the hard drives (the
difference in cost isn't *that* much) with another *working* hard drive, and
then copy over your system and data to the extent that the computer acts and
looks exactly the same as before (same apps, etc.)?  It would be more
trouble than it's worth to the repair center, wouldn't it?  I wouldn't go to
all that time and effort for a measly $40, or whatever the price difference
is."
    @nobody: "Don't top post.  Let me guess - you're a college kid looking for beer money,
or you make about $4/hr.
news:u_zib.9381$<email_address>
<quote>
even copy your system over to it?..
news:<email_address>
and
and
go to
difference"
    @none: ""What's that you say ? Kettle and .. black ??)
Valid point I think.
Let me guess, you have so much money, it really doesn't matter.
Surely the principle of what has taken place is more important ???
Oops look, I top posted, seems to be a fashion here.
news:<email_address>
<quote>
money,
drive,
acts"
    @nobody: "Once top posting starts, you have to continue the same.  Otherwise,
everything is out of synch.  Get it?
No, you don't get it.  The point is NOT how much money I have.  It's how
much the computer repairers have.  They DON'T work for $4/hr., so I
seriously doubt that stealing a used hard drive, replacing it with a
slightly more valuable used hard drive, then copying the system over so it
works, and then selling the stolen merchandise (which includes more time,
and money in fees if sold on eBay etc.), is really worth the 20 bucks or
whatever they will ultimately make on the deal.
Yes, of course the "principle" is what matters.  Now stop and reread this
thread and you'll realize what's being said.  I'm saying it's pretty
unlikely anyone would bother to do this "crime", and that the OP might very
well be mistaken.  So you shouldn't assume that it has, in fact, "taken
place".
Now, when we add to the mix all the time the OP is going to have to spend to
fix the problem, including court fees if it goes to small claims court, is
it really worth HIS time for $40 or whatever?  That assumes he wins AND GETS
PAID.  Let's say he wins.  There is no law that forces the defendant to pay
or go to jail.  You've never been to small claims court have you?  The
"principle" is pretty much irrelevant, since I seriously doubt anyone here
thinks stealing is perfectly OK.
news:kIAib.100$<email_address>
<quote>
more
wouldn't"
    @bill: "On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 01:12:43 -0700, "George L." <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
Unless you can actually prove thatt he drive in question was actually
in the box when you took it into the store, you'll be hard pressed to
win any action.
A receipt only shows that you bought the drive, not that it was in the
box when you took it in.
Why would they swap drives? There's no economic incentive to do so;
there's not enough involved to make it worth their while.
Bill
Replace "g" with "a"
Experience is what you get when you expected something else."
    @rod_speed: ""Me" <email_address> wrote in message news:<email_address>
<quote>
Fragmentation never affects the size."
    @nobody: "news:6hBib.9448$<email_address>
<quote>
very
was expected?
No, I'm saying what I said.  i.e. it's not likely.
"secret"?  I'm not following you.  I said that was my guess - and it wasn't
that you were naive - it was that if you were offering to swap hard drives
with me and copy all my data over, and then find a buyer and sell the other
hard drive - or however you'd make money on it - then maybe work for about
$5/hr for that to be considered good work.
been a
wrong one by a third / fourth  person.....
Yes, agreed.  But, they claim the drive was never touched.  In fact, they
didn't have any reason to touch it, since they diagnosed it and found it
working fine.
and
and
to
difference
it.....
I'm not convinced they did it, but... even if they did, the OP is welcome to
pursue it.  But then he will be working for about 25 cents an hour by the
time he gets done, and he will be dealing with not only idiots, but
dishonest idiots at that (assuming they did steal it.)  How far do you think
you will get when dealing with dishonest idiots?  Without going to small
claims court, I mean.  If they're bad enough to do it in the first place,
how likely are they to own up to it now?  Even if you go straight to the
president, the locals will deny and cover up.  He's welcome to try, I'm just
giving him perspective.
Huh?"
    @nobody: "news:3XBib.75703$<email_address>
<quote>
Why would they replace the hard drive at all?  They say they ran a
diagnostic on it, but replaced the power supply instead, which the OP claims
solved the problem.  I also see no economic incentive to swap the drives.
The only possible reason would be an idiot who thought there was some
incentive.  I've seen people that stupid, but usually they are not working
in computer repair centers.   On second thought.... :-)"
    @rod_speed: "news:<email_address>
<quote>
Dunno, he clearly aint got what is listed
on the original receipt anymore.
Sure, but that doesnt mean some monkey didnt put the wrong
size drive in the box when replacing the original, by accident,
say when testing that possibility for the freezes when the
second power supply behaved the same way as the first."
    @noway: "<quote>
_________________________________________________________
A receipt by itself neither proves nor disproves anything.  Its function
is to backup what the plaintiff testifies, and the testimony is what the
judge is going to give the most weight to - if it's believable.
Bill, W7TI"
    @fg11: "I think you have a legal case (especially if the hd was included with
the system and  you have the receipt for the system purchase) if the
store refuses to cooperate.  Problem is (and I hate to say this and
let them get away with it), that the costs involved even tho not a
lot, probably isn't worth your time and money to go to small claims
court for a 80 gig hard drive nowadays.  
You should see my face when I have to tell you "its not worth your
time and money" when you know that they are getting away with being
incompetent and doing the customer wrong.  
Now if you just want to do it for the principle of the matter then go
get 'em.  I hope you get more than just a 80 gig hard drive tho I'm
not sure about this.
Good Luck whatever you decide. 
<quote>"
    @nobody: "news:fxDib.176312$<email_address>
<quote>
of
back
Everyone keeps missing the fact that they did not (were not supposed to)
change the hard drive for this work."
    @nobody: "news:pzDib.9314$<email_address>
<quote>
You'd do that work, and risk going to jail, so you can swap your 40G hard
drive for someone else's 80G?  Now that is truly stupid.  Not to say I
haven't seen stupid people working in places like that, but usually not for
long.
repair places..
I have, which is why I would not advise arguing with them.  It's like
wrestling with a pig.
asking pertinent questions(like the model) and trying to sort
Which reminds me - unfortunately, the OP has not participated since the
first post.  Apparently we care about this issue more than he does.  EOT for
me....."
    @fg11: "Generally you're wrong but technically you can be right (these links
explain in better detail)  ....
<url>
<url>
<url>
<quote>"
    @rod_speed: "jeffc <email_address> wrote in
message news:<email_address>
<quote>
It is a reasonable thing to try if the second
power supply behaved the same as the first."
    @rod_speed: "news:<email_address>
<quote>
Nope.
Corse he's right.
Not necessary. What matters is that W2K will use a
FAT32 partition bigger than 32GB, it just wont create
one. In other words you have to create it outside W2K."
    @nobody: "news:bmf46h$m90v2$<email_address>
<quote>
But they would have told them they did it.  It couldn't be an "honest
mistake" if they told him they only ran diagnostics on the drive."
    @rod_speed: "news:<email_address>
<quote>
You dont know that the monkey he has communicated
with is the same monkey that did that swap when testing
or that the monkey that did the swap documented that etc.
Corse it could be just lousy communication/
honest mistake about what was actually done."
    @noway: "On 13 Oct 2003 16:43:56 -0700, <email_address>
<quote>
_________________________________________________________
Not likely they would *mount* a HD just to test it, is it?  Just unplug
the cables from the old and let the new one hang for a few minutes.  I
was a TV repairman for years.  That's how repair guys think.
Bill, W7TI"
    @rod_speed: "news:<email_address>
<quote>
With the system freezing at random times, you'd likely have to
run the alternative for more than a few minutes to see if its the
drive thats causing the freezes and some drives get stinking
hot used like that, because they rely on conduction to the
metal drive bay stack to get rid of most of the heat.
Yes, but things can be different with PC hard drives and its
generally easy enough to screw the drive into the bay stack."
    @bill: "On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:13:19 GMT, "Colin Watters"
<quote>
While possible, IMO it's highly improbable.
These places like to make money. If they need to change a drive to
check what will work, they usually charge for it.
On top of that, there's no reason to do a copy from one drive to
another to check the drive; just install the new drive, and see what
happens. Doing a copy takes time that's not needed if you're not
charging to change the drive.
If they were assuming the original was a "standard" drive, why did
they replace it without charging for the replacement? Even if it was a
warranty replacement, they would charge for the copying.
Bill
Replace "g" with "a"
Experience is what you get when you expected something else."
    @bill: "On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:43:45 +1000, "Rod Speed" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
What original receipt?
The OP says he has a receipt forthe drive; he didn't say the receipt
was for the system.
But that doesn't explain the copy. Copying takes time, and these
places make their money charging for such work.
I have a hard time believing the tech would replace the drive, do an
image/copy, and not document it.
Bill
Replace "g" with "a"
Experience is what you get when you expected something else."
    @bill: "<quote>
Right.
The OP says, "I have the receipt for
the original HD (was an upgrade)..."
The receipt is for the drive, not the system, and says nothing about
the drive being in the system when it was taken to ****USA.
Bill
Replace "g" with "a"
Experience is what you get when you expected something else."
    @bill: "<quote>
"I have the receipt for
the original HD (was an upgrade)..."
The OP's receipt for the drive does not put the drive in the system.
Bill
Replace "g" with "a"
Experience is what you get when you expected something else."
    @fg11: "<quote>
Read the links I supplied and they answer it correctly.
I'm not going to waste my time arguing with people who think they know
it all. "
    @rod_speed: "news:<email_address>
<quote>
None of those are any news to me.
Dont say anything different to what I said
with FAT32 partitions over 32GB with Win2K.
Even you should be able to bullshit your way out
of your predicament better than that pathetic effort."
    @rod_speed: "news:<email_address>
<quote>
Nope, not when the system was randomly freezing and the
obvious candidate, the power supply had already been tried.
They cant charge for it if it wasnt the problem.
Not a viable approach if it only freezes or BSODs every
other day and a power supply swap didnt fix that.
It may well be needed to pin down just what
is causing the freeze or bsod every other day.
Most likely that was an attempt to see if that was the reason
for the freeze or bsdo every other day, after the power supply
had already been swapped and the problem remained.
They cant, legally."
    @rod_speed: "<email_address> wrote in message news:<email_address>
<quote>
That receipt.
Doesnt need to be. Its the receipt for the upgrade he got done.
Not when the system freezes or bsods every other day after
the upgrade. They get to wear whatever it takes to fix the the
problem. Presumably he paid for the copy to the upgraded drive.
It wouldnt be the first time with a complicated problem
where the obvious swap, the power supply, didnt fix the
problem, and other possibilitys were tried, and turned
out to not be the problem either. Turned out to be the
power supply after all and it took the third one to fix it.
Presumably the first two had the same design problem.
And the tech forgot to put back the original
80GB drive when it turned out to not be the
cause of the freezing and bsods every other day."
    @rod_speed: "<email_address> wrote in message news:<email_address>
<quote>
He appears to be saying that he paid for that upgrade,
has the receipt to prove that, and that he took it back
when it started to freeze and bsod every other day to
get them to do the upgrade he paid for properly in the
sense of getting a reliable system with an 80GB drive in it."
    @rod_speed: ""Bill Rubin" <email_address> wrote in message news:<email_address>
<quote>
That phrase is generally used when someone
gets the hard drive upgraded in a system.
Bullshit. It generally does, and the
OP can say what he meant anyway.
Doesnt need to be any proof. CompUSA
would have to do the proving on that.
Separate issue entirely to the claims that
its unlikely that the drive did get swapped."
    @rod_speed: ""Bob Ward" <email_address> wrote in message news:<email_address>
<quote>
According to many others too.
Clearly not the case in his case when he clearly got CompUSA
to work out what was causing the freeze or bsod every day or so.
Nope. And civil law is on the balance of
probabilitys, NOT beyond reasonable doubt.
Wrong. In spades with a small claims court."
    @rod_speed: "news:<email_address>
<quote>
Even you should be able to bullshit your way out
of your predicament better than that pathetic effort.
Rule of Holes."
    @fg11: "<quote>
I think it answers the OP's question(s).  It may not satisfy the 
"I think I know it all / more" types but nothing would and that wasn't
my intent."
    @rod_speed: "news:<email_address>
<quote>
Yes, but so did my post, without the reams of
irrelevant detail that only applys to other OSs.
Even you should be able to bullshit your way out
of your predicament better than that pathetic effort.
You have always been, and always will be, completely
and utterly irrelevant. What you might or might not
claim your intent was in spades.
AND your original claim that "Generally you're wrong" is wrong."
    @rod_speed: "news:<email_address>
<quote>
Even you should be able to bullshit your way out
of your predicament better than that pathetic effort.
Even someone as stupid as you should be able
to find plenty of 'support' on that question of the
legal standard with civil and criminal matters."
    @rod_speed: "news:tzVib.824$<email_address>
<quote>
NO THANKS.
Just like you eh ?
Nope. Not one.
Not a shred of evidence that you actually capable of thought.
And we dont."
    @rod_speed: "news:_iXib.989$<email_address>
<quote>
Why dont you ?
You've never accomplished a damned thing
in your pathetic excuse for a 'life', child."
    @fg11: "I don't often call other names but in your case "hopeless" describes
you nicely without four letter words.  It's obvious you want to argue.
I don't.
Ok you win !!!!
<quote>"
    @rod_speed: "news:<email_address>
<quote>
Even you should be able to bullshit your way out
of your predicament better than that pathetic effort."
    @fg11: "<quote>
Even you should be able to bullshit your way out
of your predicament better than that pathetic effort."
    @rod_speed: ""frankg" <email_address> wrote in message news:<email_address>
<quote>
Even you should be able to bullshit your way out
of your predicament better than that pathetic effort."
    @changetoall4initials: "news:<email_address>
<quote>
Um,  a bios change 'might' make the computer report a smaller hard drive
size than actual.
have you cracked the case open and looked at the hard drive?
checked the serial number?"
    @fg11: "<quote>
For the sake of server space and others sanity... 
           ****  The End ****
               (if you reply, I won't)"
    @bfunk33: "On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:03:52 GMT, "Star" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
What "proof"?
The OP has no proof of what drive was in the system when he took it to
CompUSA.
The receipt he has is for the drive in question, which could have been
put into any system. The fact that he has a receipt does not mean the
drive was in THAT system.
You still haven't addressed the question of why they would clone a
drive and replace it without charging for it. Mistake? Why clone it in
the first place?"
    @rod_speed: "news:<email_address>
<quote>
You clearly dont have a clue about how the small claims system works.
You dont even know that.
You dont even know that. The receipt might
specify what system he paid to have it installed in.
Others have tho.
Because the power supply had already been swapped once,
that made no difference. The hard drive is one possible cause
of the hang or bsod every couple of days and is rather easier
to try a swap than say the motherboard."
    @bfunk33: "On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 03:58:40 +1000, "Rod Speed" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
Really? What makes you say that?
I've been in small claims many times as a busines sowner. And won each
time.
I do know tha, because it's what the OP said.
See above.
No, they haven't.
They speculated that it may have been a mistake. How do you clone a
drive by mistake?
They certainly don't need to clone the drive to check to see if
another drive will solve the problem, and wouldn't, as it's a
time-taking procedure, and having a generic drive at hand is much
faster, easier, and less expensive.
Yes, that's so.
But cloning isn't needed, and would, in any case, be charged for as
part of the diagnostic, which wasn't done."
    @rod_speed: "news:<email_address>
<quote>
Yes, really.
Your silly stuff on 'proof' above. You clearly aint even noticed
that civil claims operate on the balance of probabilitys, NOT
the much more rigorous proof beyond reasonable doubt that
applys with criminal matteres.
You clearly aint gotta clue about the standard of 'proof' required.
Like hell you do.
Like hell he did. You dont know for example
whether the receipt he has for the hard drive
includes installation into that particular system etc.
Completely useless.
Corse they have.
Not on swapping the drive they didnt. They JUST said that
that may have been tried and the mistake involved not
putting the original 80GB drive back when that trial swap
had no effect on the freeze or bsod every couple of days.
No one ever said that.
Wrong with a freeze or bsod every couple of days.
If you dont clone the drive, you havent included the
OS config which might well be what was causing that.
Clearly if the swap plus clone still saw the freeze or
bsod every couple of days, the thing to try woudl be
a clean OS install on that 40GB drive to see if it was
the stuffed OS config that was causing those symptoms.
Like hell it is if you know what you are doing. And
the easy check had already been done, swapping
the power supply, and made no difference.
And doesnt test whether the OS config is the problem.
The clone step is a trivial part of the debugging of the problem.
Wrong.
Wrong again. If he had purchased the system from them, and
had paid for a hard drive upgrade later, and the system was now
freezing or bsoding every couple of days, its a warranty claim.
Which they eventually decided was a dud power supply."
    @bfunk33: "On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 05:35:11 +1000, "Rod Speed" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
Amazing that you would say that some one who's been thru the system
several times doesn't know how it works.
Are you that threatened by some one who has a different reading on
what's happening than you do?
Is that why you go on the attack so readily?
Sure, that's why I win. Becaus I don't know what I'm doing.
"I have the receipt for
the original HD (was an upgrade) and registered its serial
no., but the repair center says that it's not enough proof."
The hard drive was bought seperately from the system.
Not so.
ANY hard drive that will boot will work, and any repair center wiorth
anything (and wanting to maximize profits) will have at least one
sitting around.
But you don't need to duplicate the drive's content to see if the
drive is the problem.
Really? How short a time can this be done?
It shouldn't be to difficult to figure out, using a simple max speed
of the drives involved.
Oops! It takes more time that would be considered negligible when
you're charging by time. IOW, the shop would charge for it as
diagnostics.
You're right. But that's not t5he first thing that would be checked ,
is it? Of course not. Why waste the time if the drive can be replaced
with a known good drive for much less time?
Easy to say. I note that you give nothing to back up your theory.
Where did the OP say any of that?
Did you actually *READ* the original post?
"I took my Compaq equipped with
80 gig HD to ****USA but got back a 40 gig."
I don't think CompUSA does warranty work on Compaqs.
In fact, I know they don't.
Come back when you've actually read the OP."
    @rod_speed: "news:<email_address>
<quote>
There's plenty of bone heads that never to manage
to grasp those basics no matter how many times
they show up before a particular system.
Or I choose to rub bone head's noses in the legal basics.
Not that that necessarily achieves much most of the time.
It does ensure that others dont take what the bone head
claims as gospel tho. Which is often quite desirable.
Even you should be able to bullshit your way out of
your predicament better than that pathetic effort, Funk.
Rule of Holes.
Bet you done always win, or you're a pathological liar.
The system is designed to work in spite of pig
ignorance of the basics by those that appear
before it. It does work surprisingly well there.
Doesnt matter a damn if you can ever grasp those basics
on proof yourself, what matters is that the judge etc has.
You cant even manage the simplest stuff like what he
may or may not have a receipt for, let alone the more
complicated stuff like the formal standard of proof required.
QED, you dont know for example whether
the receipt he has for the hard drive includes
installation into that particular system etc.
Doesnt say a damned thing about whether it was later
installed in that system and whether the receipt shows that.
Duh.
Fraid so.
Wrong. Even you should be able to
grasp what an intermittent fault is about.
Sure, and that may have been the 40GB drive that
didnt get replaced by the original 80GB drive when
it turned out that swapping the original power supply
was with another with the same design problem.
Wrong with an intermittent fault that only shows
up as a freeze or bsod every couple of days or so.
Only an incompetant fool would attempt to work out
where the fault is by just swapping something like a
hard drive and checking that it will boot with the spare.
Yes, really.
Depends on a number of variables, but it isnt something
you have to sit around waiting for, you can set the clone
op up and go on with something else while it clones.
Anyone with a clue knows roughly how long that
takes because its the sort of thing thats done often
when the original drive is replaced by a bigger one.
Quite a few operations clone for free in that
situation, because its so effortless to setup, even
when the margins on hard drives is so low now.
You dont even know that they were
charging by time if its a warranty claim.
You dont even know that either.
And wasnt the first thing that was checked. The first thing
that was checked was the much more likely possibility, the
power supply. Turned out that the replacement had the same
design problem as the original and so when that swap didnt
make the problem go away, something else was tried.
Only an incompetant fool would attempt to work out where
a fault that intermittent is by just swapping something like
a hard drive and checking that it will boot with the spare.
Obvious lie. I clearly did just that.
He said rather more than just that later.
They may well do if they were paid to upgrade that PC with
an 80GB drive and the system was unstable after that upgrade,
freezing and bsodding every couple of days after the upgrade.
Go and shove your head up a dead bear's arse."
    @bfunk33: "On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 04:11:04 +1000, "Rod Speed" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
Ah, you fall back on your attack mode again!
How predictable!
You lose again.
See? Another attack.
You don't know me. or my record in small claims court, but you attack,
calling me a liar.
What else can be expected from someone who's so unsure of himself that
he can't bear to have his pronouncements challanged? 
That's really funny.
You're saying that the judge is a mind reader.
Sure I can. I read the OP's post, which you obviously didn't.
It's a real shame that your reading comprehension is so low.
If the receipt included installation in that system, there'd have been
little reason for CompUSA to say that the receipt wasn't proof that
the system came in with the 80 Gig drive.
While it doesn't say that the drive was or wasn't installed, the
receipt didn't say that, or the OP would have mentioned it, and
CompUSA would have responded differently.
Well, yeah, "Duh."
It's still a fact that you hadn't understood that.
I also grasp how troubleshooting is done.
Wanna try that again in English?
If it was done that way, it's troubleshooting, and would have been
charged for.
You don't understand this well, do you?
Really? Why is that? Because it makes you think that you're right?
Get real, and step back from your prior responses, and look at the
situation in an objective manner. Stop trying to desperately prop up
your mistakes.
Really? Who?
The repair places I know about try to actually make money, and charge
for their diagnostic services.
What warranty claim?
Right.
No one tries to charge for work done.
In your world, at least.
In the real world, it doesn't work that way.
And CompUSA is, indeed, in the real world.
Ah, so it was donbe as a diagnostic method, but wasn't charged for.
At CompUSA? Get real.
Says you. But then, says you, no one charges for this work, either.
Where?
WHat you said was that only an idiot would try that, but then, you
also say that diagnostic work isn't charged for, too. Why believe you
when what you say doesn't match reality?
Where do you get this stuff? From the same place that says diagnostic
work isn't charged for?
Oh, that makes you sound FAR more authoritative.
Same ol. same ol. You can't *STAND* to be challanged, can you?"
    @bfunk33: "On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:58:21 +1000, "Rod Speed" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
BINGO!
You have demonstrated your inability to handle rerality very nicely!
Thanks for playing!"
    @bfunk33: "<quote>
It's a real shame. He does seem to know about hard drives, he just
doesn't have the maturity to go with the knowledge."
    @see_replyto: ""Bill Funk" <email_address> wrote in message news:<email_address>
<quote>
'Seems' is the operative word here.
Btw, long time no see.
50:50"
    @rod_speed: "Some pathological liar claiming to be
Bill Funk <email_address>, tho
that itself is very likely to be a lie too,
desperately attempted to bullshit its
way out of it predicament in message
news:<email_address>
and fooled absolutely no kriley@example.net. As always."
    @rod_speed: "news:<email_address>
<quote>
And the law too thanks Funk.
Nothing 'mature' about lying, Funk. Typically juvenile behaviour."
    @bfunk33: "On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 04:07:29 +1000, "Rod Speed" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
Thanks for playing!
What does Rod get, Dan?
Rod gets to spend an hour at the playtable!
That's right, Rod can spend a whole hour playing with the other
kiddies, and do any of the wonderful activities there!
Puzzles, blocks, pop-up books, anything his little heart desires!
After the hour is up, he'll get an Ice Cream Cone from our own Ice
Cream Parlor! What a taste treat!
We certainly hope Rod has fun playing with the other kiddies his age!
When he grows up, he'll probably learn how to play with the older
kids, and be well on his way to being able to interact with adults
without going into temper tantrums when he doesn't get his way.
Or not."
    @bfunk33: "On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 04:09:10 +1000, "Rod Speed" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
Like I said, prove me wrong.
Since you haven't even tried, but instead fell back on your childish
tantrum behaviour, I can only think that you simply can't take a hint.
Too bad, because you really could be a help, if you only knew how to
play nice."
    @bfunk33: "On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:51:55 +0200, "Folkert Rienstra"
<quote>
I don't pretend ot know as much as a lot of others here, but I do know
a blowhard when I see one. So I tend to lurk, and learn.
Rod, tho, is very predictable, and sooo easy!"
    @rod_speed: "Some pathological liar claiming to be
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Pointless bothering, Funk. You'd only
keep lying about what I had already said.
Reams of your puerile attempts to bullshit your way
out of your predicament flushed where they belong.
Try harder, Funk. You might actually manage to fool someone, sometime."
    @Walt: "Very good point.
I would think he would have needed to open up the box, and record
directly the info of the disk BEFORE he brought it in.
<quote>"
    @Walt: "What is the price of a used 40 G drive vs. the price of a 
used 80 G drive?  I would think that any court would factor
in that the subject drive was a used one when brought into
the repair shop, and that the plaintiff does have a working 
drive now.
Like $20??  Maybe even less.
<quote>"
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