@bbob: "Not only does the constitution prohibit the teaching of religion in public
schools it also forbids teaching against religion.
U.S. District Federal Judge James Selna ruled Friday against the former
teacher, James Corbet for violating the first amendment rights of his one 
time
student Chad Farnan by calling creationism "supernatural nonsense".
<url> "
    @coryalbrecht: "<quote>
So, by your logic, one should just not bother fighting against things 
like child abuse, bigotry, schoolyard bullying, rape because you'll 
never stamp them out entirely. So one should just give up fighting 
spousal abuse, against slave trading rings and against people who let 
their children die because they prefer to pray instead of going to a doctor."
    @coryalbrecht: "<quote>
Hey, you're the one who said "You're not going to stop it, so just give 
it up." What I described was giving up on trying to stop other things.
Perhaps you need to be a little clearer and more explicit about what you 
mean, then?"
    @bbob: ""Ray Fischer" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:4a007292$0$1611$<email_address>
<quote>
Calling it religion was my twist on the ruling."
    @bbob: "<email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
How can creationism be discussed without being totally negative?
I do not see a problem with controling and dictating what is taught
in a science class.
I do not believe this!!"
    @bbob: "<quote>
No, the ruling said nothing on this point. It was my spin on the ruling.
Do you have a problem with calling creationism, a Christian belief?
Since Christian is a religion, it follows that creation is a religious 
belief.
I consider myself an agnostic. I believe it's the only rational position.
I believe both atheism and theism are based upon faith. Because
neither can know for an absolute fact. Atheism is based upon faith
there is no God(s).  Theism is based upon faith that there is one God
or a host of Gods. But neither position is subject to scientific inquiry. "
    @bbob: "<quote>
<snip>
I don't believe there is anyone who would agree to have this taught in
public schools.
I don't believe I would go so far as to make that claim. Because
not all christians believe in creationism. Most of the mainstream
demoninations have little to say about creationism, only a few
fundamentalist christians are dedicated creationist. But as believers
in Christ few would deny the resurection.
, it obviously may not be taught as science in
I would see no problem with creationism being discussed, but only in
a historical context.
<snip>
Hey, teacher - it's spelled "versus".  And if you are teaching that
creationism is a scientific theory, you are in the wrong and should
lose your job.
I did not read into the teachers post where she claimed to have taught 
creationism
as a scientific theory.
Big Bob
T
P.S. LOL @ "1/th Amendment" "
    @tscalfjr: "<quote>
I can stop you from doing it a second time, by insuring that you are
not in the class long enough for a second round.
And get your silly ass laughed out of court.
<snip>
It is a disproven hypothesis.  It never rose to the level of a
scientific theory before it was shot down.
I have answered that in another reply in this thread.  To summarize,
in a classroom environment, a teacher talking about a subject is
tantamount to teaching that subject.  If the teacher says more than
"Creationism is a religious explanation for how the earth was
populated with animal lifeforms.  This is a science class and
religious explanations will not be taught here". That teacher is wrong
and should be fired for promoting religion.  Period.
Tom S."
    @jgkeegan: "<email_address>,
<quote>
so says the anti-science bigot who'd go to any lengths to make future 
generations as illiterate as he is.
"You tried to steal the identity of a James G. Keegan Jr. who did in 
fact  author a book, and you're trying to convince people that you are 
the same person."   corrupt prison clerk heishman lying as "Osprey" 
in an effort  to cover-up his earlier lie that i was not an author 
<email_address> in<email_address> "
    @jgkeegan: "<email_address>,
[...]
<quote>
does this mean you're going to stop forging email from the new york 
times?
hey, didn't you embarrass the delaware department of corrections so 
badly that they no longer allow you to post from their servers?
"You tried to steal the identity of a James G. Keegan Jr. who did in 
fact  author a book, and you're trying to convince people that you are 
the same person."   corrupt prison clerk heishman lying as "Osprey" 
in an effort  to cover-up his earlier lie that i was not an author 
<email_address> in<email_address> "
    @jgkeegan: "<email_address>,
<quote>
bobby. stop lying. teaching religion in a classroom is exactly what you 
are talking about, which is why your views have been challenged.
"You tried to steal the identity of a James G. Keegan Jr. who did in 
fact  author a book, and you're trying to convince people that you are 
the same person."   corrupt prison clerk heishman lying as "Osprey" 
in an effort  to cover-up his earlier lie that i was not an author 
<email_address> in<email_address> "
    @tscalfjr: "<quote>
Actually, you are.
Both of which are barred by the establishment clause of the First
Amendment from attempting to "establish" a state sanctioned religion.
Teaching creationism or allowing it to be taught in a classroom is
tantamount to advocating the establishment of a state religion.
Warn me before you begin to explain so I can dumb-down to your
demonstrated level of intellect.
Then you are failing in your duty as a teacher.  The part where you
are supposed to guide the discussion and keep it on the lesson.
It is part of trying to circumvent the Constitution.
You know nothing of the sort.  You have absolutely no idea what I
"want".
I can insure that the second time you do it you will be on the
sidewalk, outside the gate, looking in.
See above.
No, we aren't.  Because absolute control of everyone else is not now
and never has been a liberal tenet.  It is the stated policy of all
you RRR/ Neo-cons though.
<snip>
Tom S."
    @jgkeegan: "<email_address>,
[...]
<quote>
it was laughable watching you try to enter that discussion and 
demonstrate your ignorance of both science and religion.
"You tried to steal the identity of a James G. Keegan Jr. who did in 
fact  author a book, and you're trying to convince people that you are 
the same person."   corrupt prison clerk heishman lying as "Osprey" 
in an effort  to cover-up his earlier lie that i was not an author 
<email_address> in<email_address> "
    @coryalbrecht: "<quote>
In my experience, when a person starts making claims like this it means 
that they can't give anything which actually substantiates their position.
In a way, it's like the argument from authority fallacy but with a 
double helping of arrogance. Instead of quoting some random Ph.D. (with 
the field of study not mentioned) and saying "You gotta believe 
$bigwig!", here it's just "You gotta believe me just 'cause I say I'm 
knowledgeable!"
And the common side dish of ad hominem attack against the other party."
    @tscalfjr: "<quote>
You are obviously answe5ring the wrong thread.  No one named Clyde is
posting to this one.
Non sequitur
<snip>
No and no.
<snip>
We can't fail at something we have never tried to do.
Your voting record is secret - secret ballot and all that stuff.  And
your registration tells nothing about you.  It determines only what
party's primary you can vote in.  The party you indicate on your voter
registration form says absolutely nothing about you or how you will
vote.
<snip>
Tom S."
    @jgkeegan: "<quote>
given bobbi's demonstrated ignorance of voting and the united states 
political system, it wouldn't be at all surprising if he never voted.
"You tried to steal the identity of a James G. Keegan Jr. who did in 
fact  author a book, and you're trying to convince people that you are 
the same person."   corrupt prison clerk heishman lying as "Osprey" 
in an effort  to cover-up his earlier lie that i was not an author 
<email_address> in<email_address> "
    @jgkeegan: "<email_address>,
<quote>
actually, it was *you* who said "Check my voting record.." thu 
demonstrating that you believed votes were a matter of public record.
that's pretty ignorant, isn't it?
coming from the scumball known as the abortion newsgroups most prolific 
liar, your word doesn't carry any weight.
"You tried to steal the identity of a James G. Keegan Jr. who did in 
fact  author a book, and you're trying to convince people that you are 
the same person."   corrupt prison clerk heishman lying as "Osprey" 
in an effort  to cover-up his earlier lie that i was not an author 
<email_address> in<email_address> "
    @tscalfjr: "<quote>
No one named "Clyde" here.  You are obviously addressing this reply to
some other newsgroup.
<snip misdirected Bobby posting>
Tom S."
    @tscalfjr: "<quote>
It is called "proper Usenet etiquette", something you are obviously
not familiar with.  It indicates that I snipped a portion of the
posting, which I was not addressing in my response.  It helps avoid
wasted bandwidth
 Clyde
<snip lil bobbi talking about someone not in the group>
Tm S."
    @jgkeegan: "<email_address>,
<quote>
you sound jealous that tom had an honorable military career while you 
felt compelled to lie about yours.
as for education, he has it, you do not; something you demonstrate in 
almost every post you make.
"Yes, I served in combat during Desert Storm." Osprey (lying about his 
military service) 
 Message-ID: <email_address>
"Fine, if you want to play on words...no I was not in actual 'combat';" 
message-d: <email_address>
"You tried to steal the identity of a James G. Keegan Jr. who did in 
fact  author a book, and you're trying to convince people that you are 
the same person."   corrupt prison clerk heishman lying as "Osprey" 
in an effort  to cover-up his earlier lie that i was not an author 
<email_address> in<email_address> "
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