@Nobody: "I don't know if anyone noticed, but Fritz did an amazing thing in Game 
6.   It came up with a novelty, and a different way of approaching a 
setup, than had been considered by anyone "human" to date.
The moves were "wrong", they were mocked by experts live (giggling 
happened), and ultimately proved correct.
This should give everyone the chills.
The worry is that lack of interest will mean that humans will not be 
willing to learn from the machines.
Nobody pays attention to what happens in machine vs machine matches. 
And nobody who uses these machines will uncover these new ways of 
playing a position.  They just blindly record the score.
What is unique about a machine/human match like this, is that we care, 
people care, grandmasters care about what was played.   About how a 
position is managed by the players.
In game 6, this wasn't a blunder by a human.  This wasn't an obvious 
thing that an expert would do.   The earth shook a little.  A machine 
had a different way of looking at a problem, and came up with a 
different, yet correct answer.  THAT IS FREAKING AMAZING.   Not that 
Kramnik lost.   That is not nearly as amazing.  It was the WAY that he lost.
We should have more events like this.  The machines have more to teach 
us. If we care."
    @angelodpnospam: "<email_address> wrote in message 
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I agree with you and Johnny. From time to time there are discussions in the 
chess newsgroups about computer play. Most posters believe the nonsense they 
hear about the inferiority of 'computer moves' and how computers can't play 
creatively, etc. Hogwash. They're stronger than anyone at this point.
You're right, but I'm not sure the Kramnik match was a good barometer. Vlad 
overlooked a mate in one, and in the last game had nothing to lose so went 
all-out. Take away the one-mover and this match is a draw. "
    @Nobody: "<quote>
Actually, This is a figure that I had been interested in, and not sure 
if anyone has come up with it...
What is the ELO value of hardware?   How has it improved over time.
The hardware can be representative, and we can remeasure after 
significant events.
But I am curious how bad ass my Fritz 8 is on my MacBook 2 gig CD 
processor is.  Especially compared to how it was, when I first bought 
the program to run on my Pentium 233.   What would the ELO difference be?"
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