@just_dirt: "Bobby,
I used to have the mid-70s double record, Together, Pete Seeger and Arlo 
Guthrie live (saw them on a tour at that time, too).
There's an Arlo song on there called "On a Monday." My auditory memory of 
that song covers only the verse; I can't hear the chorus in my head. But I 
listened to that German Johnny Cash youtube clip that was posted over on 50s 
and realized that the Arlo song is Cash's I've Got Stripes. I then 
online-checked the lyrics of the Arlo song, and indeed the words of the 
chorus appear to be the Stripes chorus.
However, Arlo's song seems credited to Arlo as "songwriter," and it has that 
different title.
I know folk-material crediting is sketchy, with people mixing and matching 
parts of songs, a lot of which are considered found material and public 
domain, but if I'm right that it *is* the Cash song, doesn't that seem a 
little scuzzy of Arlo? Or would the fact that it's live and doesn't appear 
to be on any of Arlo's studio records make the rules even looser? Like, Arlo 
was doing a cover/remake, and the record company didn't know it was a 
cover/remake, or what its title was, and so assumed it was written by Arlo. 
I don't remember in the stage banter leading up to the song, if Arlo says 
what the title is.
Or is it possible that Arlo considered that the Cash song, itself, was put 
together from found material?
Another question: do you know if the main idea in Canned Heat's Bullfrog 
Blues is from found material? I think it's an amazing song, and I'm 
wondering if Hite came up with the bullfrog image. "
    @rwalker: "On Fri, 4 Nov 2011 11:09:42 -0400, "Just_Dirt" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
I'm pretty sure that is from old folk material or old blues material. 
This site says it was written in 1928 by William Harris:
<url>
This video and it's description, also attributes it to the "almost
unknown" William Harris:
<url>"
    @rwalker: "On Fri, 04 Nov 2011 15:04:23 -0400, rwalker <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
And here's the original by Mr. Harris:
<url>"
    @masseybNOSPAM: "<quote>
Little late getting to this thread (time zone differences, you know).
This one's been answered in part.  "On a Monday" is often credited to 
Leadbelly, but I think the song is in the public domain.  It traces back 
to at least the mid 30's under the title, "Almost Done" & the original 
writer is unknown.  Ry Cooder does a good version of "On a Monday" on 
his "Into the Purple Valley" lp.
The Cash song is just a rewrite with writing credits given to Johnny 
Cash & Charlie Williams.  I don't have a clue who Williams is although 
he's sometimes given also taken writing credit on a song that dates back 
to the Civil War, "Lorena", which Cash also recorded.
This one's already been answered, although I can't verify that Harris 
actually wrote the song.  I think the song itself is in the public 
domain & both Canned Heat & Rory Gallagher take songwriting credits for 
their versions."
    @et472: "<quote>
It's a Leadbelly song.  At least that's the way I heard it.  Arlo may 
actually say something in the concert about it, because I've had the album 
since the late seventies and I knew when I first listened to the song that 
it came from Leadbelly.  If he doesn't say something, then it must be on
some Leadbelly album I had at the time.
Others say someone else wrote it, but I still would say Leadbelly 
popularized it, and is the vector for Arlo knowing it.  And I would then 
argue that if the Johnny Cash song sounds like it (and maybe it does), 
it's derived from the Leadbelly song.
That can happen through error, or because someone modifies a song out of 
copyright enough that it becomes theirs.
No, there's no fuss because you made the mistake that you thought Arlo 
Guthrie was copying Johnny Cash, rather than that Johnny Cash was copying 
what Arlo song.
    Michael"
    @just_dirt: "<quote>
What zone are you in?
Thanks, my vast Leadbelly gaps bite me at least once a week.
My Cooder gaps bite me once a month.
So now the question is, what is the earliest use of the "I can't be
satisfied" line
and of the "sun's gonna shine in my back door some day" line
(that sun line is in the Harris version, not to imply that it's in the 
Canned Heat or Rory G versions)"
    @just_dirt: "<quote>
I didn't know the Cash song until 3-4 years ago. Some people started doing 
it at these jam sessions I go to. The crediting that goes on there can be 
pretty spotty.
Last time I heard the Seeger/Arlo record was 1980 or so. I've been pining 
for it lately. Love Arlo's Presidential Rag"
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