@keiluscombe: "Hello All,
im new to this group,i have a question about simulators,i have the reflex 
xtr simulator,i dont want to get into bad habits,i was wondering if there 
was some standard layout for the transmitter?
I have the throttle on the left channel,is there a site out there,or anybody 
here who could advise me how to set the r/c unit up?
   Im not sure though if i ever will be able to fly,its a bit l�ike having 
top divide your brain up into about six parts,as for hovering,is this 
actualy possible :)?? at the moment i give gas,and try and keep the tail 
straight,it invariably leans to the left or right and bang,start again.any 
help would be appreciated.also what are your opinions on simulators.are they 
any help.ive brought a heli,but i dont want to flly it and the first flight 
it breaks ups,hence the sim,but the way im going with the sim,it will be 
months before i have enough confidence to fly,and there is no one here where 
i live who can help.
                                   all my best Keith"
    @olaf_greck: "On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:04:45 +0100, "keith"
Hallo Keith,
<quote>
For a heli "usually" it is:
	Pitch on the left stick moving it up down
	Heck rotor left stick moving it left right
	Roll: right stick moving it left right
	Nick: right stick moving up down
Gas is sometimes coupled with Pitch and sometimes on a separate
switch, depending on personal likings.
The above is a choice, not a need, but it allows you to relax your
left hand from tome to time (assuming you are right handed)
Perfectly normal, after some time it will make click in the brain and
live becomes easier. Trick is to assume where the heli will want to go
and steering against that, Instead of steering against where it is.
Perfectly normal: Due to the heck rotor trying to compensate the main
rotor it creates a horizontal force. 
Main rotor turns anti-clock wise = tendency to the right
Main rotor  turns clock wise = tendency to the left
Trick here is to get Pitch and Roll together so that it compensates
without falling over.
The page that helped me most was Radd's Flying School:
<url>
Perfectly normal, too :-) That's why it is a very good idea to have a
sim. Not sure about month, I was "quite exited" in the beginning to
say the least, but now I feel OK about hovering in real and flying
around in the Sim. Do you drive real cars? How long did it take you
there to feel confident? Only as a comparison.
Which part of .ch? Would the German speaking forums be any help? They
might find somebody near you:
<url>
<url>
There is less information for Heli's/Sim on news:de.rec.modelle.misc
compared to the above but still some.
best regards
Olaf
PS: which Heli, which transmitter?"
    @sonofjedro: "Hi Alan,
in z�rich switzerland
   keith
"Alan" <email_address> schrieb im Newsbeitrag 
news:cs8vf8$kcr$<email_address>
<quote>"
    @olaf_greck: "On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:16:38 +0100, "keith"
<quote>
Sorry, I did not explain myself good here:)
Pitch is the  angle of the main rotor blades (compared to a imaginable
horizontal line) : 
	more pitch, more lift, more power needed, but the heli will
rise. 
	Less (positive) pitch it will let it sink, negative pitch it
make it sink faster.
Gas is (similar to the car) the amount of engine power you would like
to feed into the rotor.
So when you increase the pitch there is more power needed because of
the air resistance of the blades, and somehow you at your transmitter
(TX) need to tell the heli to do something about motor speed/power.
So now there are two philosophies:
- Use a pitch curve ("idle up"): depending on where the  pitch stick
on the transmitter is the transmitter will send a preprogrammed value.
for example :
	0 degree pitch = 50% power (gas)
	+10 degree pitch = 100 % power
	-10 degree pitch = 0 % power.
Google for "idle up" and "pitch curves" and it will be a evening
filling subject. ;-)
- Alternative you can use a
	 governor (typically on petrol powered heli's) 
	or 
	 on electro heli's a "motor-controller with a feed back
loop" (missing the proper English word here)
These devises measure the motor speed and try to keep it constant.
Your TX is only sending the pitch values, the motor values will be
controlled by a switch on your TX but it will not change on the TX
(usually, well, only to stop and start the motor.)
Did I write two pages in response to a simple question? 
Oh oh oh, sorry for wasting valuable network bandwidth,
best regards
Olaf"
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