@wh: "Charles Bronson would've LUVed it!  Now watch the loonie Left and the
gun-grabbers and their scumbag lawyers turn this hero into the next Bernard
Getz.
3 suspects shot in robbery attempt
Jaxon Van Derbeken
Wednesday, June 28, 2006
Police are looking for a man who turned the tables on three would-be robbers
and shot them early Tuesday in the Tenderloin.
Police say the three first tried to rob a man at 3:30 a.m. at Turk and
Leavenworth streets, but he was able to escape. The man then watched as the
suspects confronted a couple and tried to grab a backpack from them, police
said.
The man with the backpack pulled a gun and shot the three, police said. One
man was wounded in the leg and was quickly arrested, and a second man
wounded in the arm and buttocks was found around the corner.
The third man, wounded in the buttocks and groin, went to the Tenderloin
Task Force police station for help.
"You've got to go somewhere," Inspector John Peterson said. "Where he was
shot, he needed the help.''
The three men each were charged with two counts of attempted robbery. Their
names were not immediately released.
"It's rare to have a victim be armed and use the weapon successfully on all
three perpetrators,'' Peterson said. "We would like to talk to that victim
to hear the rest of the story.''
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    @rdsandman: ""Busta Capp" <email_address> wrote in news:e80vji$h94$<email_address>:
<quote>
The fact that the man has not come forward may say a lot about what he 
expects will happen if he does.  That is a poor statement about SF.
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
<url>
"Tis far better to burn the flag while wrapped in the Constitution than 
to burn the Constitution while wrapped in the flag."
"We'll fill landfills with tons and tons of garbage, but when our trash
is shaped like a human, we [somehow] feel the need to keep it around."   
John P...2006"
    @pohakukane: "<quote>
Gee, where was Lee when the perps needed him?
R R R R R R R
0:->
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)"
    @bwana416: "If I was the witness I would've seen a tall one-eyed red headed guy with a 
sabre scar and a limp. That's my story and I'll stick to it.
-Ray
"Bert Hyman" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>"
    @wh: "news:<email_address>
<quote>
More, from the Bay Area:
Three Wounded In SF Tenderloin Shooting
POSTED: 6:50 am PDT June 27, 2006
UPDATED: 7:06 am PDT June 27, 2006
SAN FRANCISCO  Three people suffered gunshot wounds in what police believe
may have been a brazen sidewalk robbery attempt early Tuesday in San
Francisco's Tenderloin District.
The shooting occurred around 4 a.m. at Turk and Leavenworth and left bodies,
spent shells and a sawed off shotgun spread across the ground.
Local residents said heard the shots and took cover.
"I was scared," Jackie Brown told KTVU. "I ducked in my chair. I didn't know
if they were going to stop shooting...bullets have no conscience, they go
everywhere."
Lawrence Tivhobearx said he heard six shots.
"I was in up in my apartment and I heard pow, pow, pow, pow, pow," he said.
"I knew they were gunshots."
There was no information on the condition of the three people shot and
investigators were awaiting crime scene specialists at the scene of the
shooting.
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    @1Chekist: "news:e80vji$h94$<email_address>
<snip>
<quote>
the
police
One
It's been reported (not verified) that this third guy had his testicles and
penis destroyed by the shots he took as he was running away. SFPD rumor has
it the guy they tried to take down was a drug courier and in no mood to hand
anything over."
    @SaPeIsMa: ""Bert Hyman" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Funny, that was the first thought on my mind when I read it..
    One has to wonder why ?"
    @4guns: ""SaPeIsMa" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
For that matter what about civil suit? Why on Earth would you come forward 
unless you absolutely had to?
Oh well, another DGU which the antis won't count because there isn't a 
complete police report on the event. "
    @karlhungus: ""RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman@(spamlock)comcast.net> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Shot in the groin in the tenderloin district.  Oh, the irony . . . "
    @pohakukane: "<quote>
Wasn't there a discussion here at one time about the requirement, or 
lack thereof, to come forward in a righteous DGU against attackers?
Kane
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)"
    @AdmiralPee: ""0:->" wrote in a message
<quote>
Funny you should say that, because I was pondering something along those 
lines today.
My guess is that this 'citizen', who just happened to be strolling with his 
girlfriend at 4 am, in a crappy neighborhood, was probably not all that law 
abiding in his general line of work. The DGU may have been valid and legal, 
but then, DGU by a criminal is never seen as such by law enforcement.
I first noticed that here in Chicago. Let's say Joe suburbanite is strolling 
to his car and is fired upon by a group of guys driving by. If Joe 
suburbanite draws a weapon and returns fire, that's a DGU (and charges for 
having a handgun in Nazi Chicago might even be dropped). The poor guy is 
just defending his own life.
However, if it's Joe gangbanger in the same situation, his return fire is 
*not* defensive - it's a 'gang war'.
Another good reason to be something other than a career criminal I suppose. 
:-) "
    @pohakukane: "<quote>
Actually in a court of law that might not fly. The one under fire, upon 
returning fire is seen to be defending his life.
What folks fail to note is that being a "criminal" is not tantamount to 
giving up your life without protection under law.
IF said victim was engaged IN an activity that in fact first threatened 
the other's life, yep...too bad. How sad. I'm glad.
But just being a "criminal" isn't sufficient to excuse someone taking 
their life.
Well, in the practical sense, you bethcha. Seems to be these are the 
people in the news when it comes to shooting and being shot. The rest of 
us, except for the rare case, do not shoot at each other, though we have 
been known to shoot at the career criminals when we find them lurking 
about our house in the dark.
Or accosting us on the street with intent to do violence.
0:->
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)"
    @pohakukane: "<quote>
A popular idea about government and law enforcement, but not 
demonstrated to be the norm.
In fact, if you check court dockets and similar records you will find 
many a justifiable shooting never reaches even charges.
If you read the gunblog I cite here often you'll see this is true. "NO 
CHARGES LODGED AGAINST THE SHOOTER," is commonly found in the articles 
cited.
Assuming malice from the government is a waste of time. Assume 
incompetence, if you wish. Or human limitations. But malice? Most of 
them live next door to US.
I am a "State's Rights" advocate. Even the Federalists were advocating 
only a move away from strict Nation States and NEVER stumped for total 
federal control.
Your neighbor has a much harder time treating you unfairly. His turn 
could come next.
Notice that Bush recently gave "eminent domain" a major kick in the butt?
That's a friendly government. Not a malicious one.
Absolutes don't solve problems. If we say ALL government is evil, then 
the part that is good is lost.
0:->
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)"
    @rdsandman: ""0:->" <email_address> wrote in
news:<email_address>: 
<quote>
Yep, and this is a prime example of why many of those folks do not come 
forward or stick around to discuss the situation.
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
<url>
"Tis far better to burn the flag while wrapped in the Constitution than 
to burn the Constitution while wrapped in the flag."
"We'll fill landfills with tons and tons of garbage, but when our trash
is shaped like a human, we [somehow] feel the need to keep it around."   
John P...2006"
    @rdsandman: "Bama Brian <email_address> wrote in
news:tywpg.1060$<email_address>: 
<quote>
Another interesting thing is that around the same time as Goetz was
defending himself on the subway, another case was handled by the New
York Courts in a similar situation, however, the races were reversed. 
There was a man named Austin Weeks, 23 years old, "...who while riding
on a New York City subway train, was accosted by two white teenagers who
called him a racist name.  Weeks shot and killed one of them with an
unlicensed pistol.  A Brooklyn grand jury refused to indict Weeks, he
never had to face the prolonged trial Goetz faced, and consequently
Weeks recieved no legal punishment of any kind (Kerrison, 1987).  Thus
in a shooting with a more legally questionable justification (no robbery
involved just a verbal provocation) and a fatal outcome, a black man
accused of killing a white teenager was treated more leniently than a
white man accused of nonfatally shooting four black teenagers.  The
Weeks case was ignored by the national press."  Source - The Great
American Gun Debate - Don B. Kates, Jr and  Gary Kleck. 
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
<url>
"Tis far better to burn the flag while wrapped in the Constitution than 
to burn the Constitution while wrapped in the flag."
"We'll fill landfills with tons and tons of garbage, but when our trash
is shaped like a human, we [somehow] feel the need to keep it around."  
John P...2006"
    @rdsandman: ""0:->" <email_address> wrote in
news:<email_address>: 
<quote>
However, the excuse of self defense does not apply during the commission 
of a crime.
If the "criminal" was mugging Dianne Feinstein or Barbara Boxer 
(something it might be fun to watch) and another criminal shot at him, I 
doubt his claim of returning fire in self defense would hold much water.  
;)
For what its worth, Dianne has an open invitation (I issued it to her in 
a letter some time ago) to go for a walk with me some evening in Compton.  
She is to leave her body guards at home and just enjoy the walk.  I also 
extended that invitation to a couple of neighborhoods in Carson and 
Wilmington.  You know so she would have easy access via the freeway. Thus 
far, she has not accepted.....however, hope springs eternal......  ;)
Something that some of those in here would like to prevent.
Exactomundo!!
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
<url>
"Tis far better to burn the flag while wrapped in the Constitution than 
to burn the Constitution while wrapped in the flag."
"We'll fill landfills with tons and tons of garbage, but when our trash
is shaped like a human, we [somehow] feel the need to keep it around."   
John P...2006"
    @pohakukane: "<quote>
Yes, I notice the silence. It's almost making me lonely. 0:->
Lee, Spaz, Catl?
Won't one of you keep me company?
<hehehehehe>
0:->
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)"
    @pohakukane: "<quote>
Even your best friends don't tell you.
RD, it's obvious to me that you have <halitosis ad echo on> "BAD BREATH."
Otherwise why wouldn't either Dianne Feinstein or Barbara Boxer want to 
go for an evening stroll with you in Compton?
Tsk.
Try Listerine.
Then ask them again. I'm sure they'll want to go.
0:->
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)"
    @AdmiralPee: ""0:->" wrote in a message
<quote>
You're speaking theoretically Kane... the real world in Cook county courts 
is that any time a gangbanger fires a weapon, he is committing a crime. Many 
of them attempt to claim self defense, but they still end up busted.
Not that I'm a big defender of ganbangers, it just something I noticed about 
Cook county courts and Chicago cops.
Of course, the victims aunt or cousin is always quoted as saying "He wasn't 
in no gang, not ever. He never did nothin' to no one never." ... well, 
except for his rap sheet that goes back to when he was 8 and stole his first 
car and the time he's spent in jail since then."
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