@luken: "Prophecy movies and books; the theology in them should never been 
adhered to by the Christian. Why? They get it wrong 99% of the time. For 
example: Tribulation, the word doesn't mean wrath of God and it doesn't 
last 7 years, as they teach today. The actual greek word for it is 
Thlipsis: Which means pressure, or persecution. What does it mean then? 
It's simply the persecution that the devil is going to do on Christians 
at the end times, fulfilling the prophecy in Daniel 7:21; and Revelation 
13: 7 KJV (Always use a KJV and not some bastardized Bible version 
that's false.) So it will be satan pouring out his fury on the churches. 
THEN starts the wrath of God on the world. There is no pre-tribuation 
rapture, as the churches, prophecy teachers and movies are teaching. 
There is a post-tribulation, pre-wrath evacuation of the Saints of God. 
This would confirm what Jesus, Himself taught in Matthew 24: 29-31 KJV. 
Don't take my word for it. Research it out for yourself. You may have a 
good preacher, and love him, but he's lying to you, either out of 
ignorance on his own part, or by knowing the truth, but not wanting to 
tell people the truth; to keep the money flowing in. I'll even go as far 
to say that a belief in the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine is part of 
the great apostasy that Brother Paul the Apostle taught on in II 
Thessalonians.
Luke Nichols
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First of all, the Bible shows there are many different types of
tribulation, not just the 'persecution' type. Notice:
"The Greek word thli�psis, usually rendered �tribulation,� basically
means distress, affliction, or suffering resulting from the pressures
of circumstances. It is used with reference to the affliction
associated with childbirth (Joh 16:21), persecution (Mt 24:9; Ac
11:19; 20:23; 2Co 1:8; Heb 10:33; Re 1:9), imprisonment (Re 2:10),
poverty and other adversities common to orphans and widows (Jas 1:27),
famine (Ac 7:11), and punishment for wrongdoing (Ro 2:9; Re 2:22). The
�tribulation� mentioned at 2�Corinthians 2:4 apparently refers to the
distress felt by the apostle Paul because of the wrong conduct of the
Christians at Corinth and because he had to correct them with
severity." (Insight on the Scriptures, Vol 2, p. 1126)
As for the accuracy of the KJV, it has some problems. For example, the
archaic language that is no longer spoken. Words such as the use of
the word "shambles" at 1 Co 10:25 in the KJV:
"Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for
conscience sake:"
Now compare that to a popular modern version:
"Eat anything that is sold in the meat market, without asking
questions for conscience' sake;" (NASB)
If the purpose of the Bible is to convery God's thoughts, then it
needs to be as accurate as possible, should it not?
Also, some words have literally changed in their meaning since the
17th century. Take the word "let". It used to mean to "hinder" etc,
but now usually means just the opposite, to "permit." Compare these
differences:
"For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now
letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way." (2 Th 2:7; KJV)
"For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now
restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way." (2 Th 2:7;
NASB)
Also, the KJV has some known inaccuracies. For instance, to KJV
readers, the Bible supports the "Easter" celebration. But that word is
a mistranslation for the word "passover". Notice the old KJV, and the
NKJV:
"And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered
him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after
Easter to bring him forth to the people." (Ac 12:4; KJV)
"So when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered
him to four squads of soldiers to keep him, intending to bring him
before the people after Passover." (Ac 12:4; NKJV)
Thus, the old KJV is fine for many basic Bible doctrines, but for a
serious and accurate study of the Bible, a more modern Bible would be
better. Of course, some modern Bibles leave a lot to be desired also.
For me, the most accurate translation I have found, is the New World
Translation. (NWT) I have compared it to many Bibles, and found it to
be the closest to the originals, etc. 
Here is just one brief example of why I make that statement: 
The verb form at Mt 7:7 is of the 'continuing' type, not just a one
time thing. These other translations only show it to be a one time
thing:
 King James Version
Matthew 7:7,  "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall
find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:"
  Revised Standard Version
Matthew 7:7  "Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find;
knock, and it will be opened to you."  
 New International Version
Matthew 7:7,  "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will
find; knock and the door will be opened to you."
But the NWT has rendered the verb form as it was written, and thus
intended to be read and understood.
New World Translation
Matthew 7:7, "Keep on asking, and it will be given YOU; keep on
seeking, and YOU will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to
YOU."   
The continual asking, and seeking, and knocking, is a main part of the
thought from that verse because of the verb form used there in the
Bible manuscript that they translate from.  Thus it should be there in
the translated Bible.
Therefore the old KJV has its place in doing Bible work (I quote from
it all the time). But when accuracy is needed, there are more accurate
translations out there that will get across more exact the thought
that God wanted us to know. 
James
John 4:23,24
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