@ken: "Not really a question here. Just something I noticed. I had a bit of 
time this afternoon so I thought I would take the recumbent out for a 
ride, as I haven't ridden it in a couple of weeks. I wasn't planning a 
long ride or anything, just some spin time on one of the local routes. 
So that was the plan. Now I "borrowed" the bottle cage and cycle 
computer off the 'bent to put on the road bike a couple of weeks ago. So 
I set off riding and it felt kind of strange to glance down to where the 
cycle computer used to be and not see it. But after a couple of time I 
realized that I spent too much time looking at the darn thing. And after 
a bit more I found that riding without it was actually more fun. I mean 
I just rode at a speed / cadence that felt comfortable, probably to slow 
on the overall speed but at a reasonable cadence. And I just rode until 
I got home again. How long did it take me? I don't know. What was my 
average speed? I have know idea. Did I enjoy the ride. Yes. I may go 
without a computer on the 'bent. It's still a fun bike to ride. Even if 
I don't have all the "important" information that the cycle computer 
gives me.
Ken
The bicycle is just as good company as most husbands and, when it gets 
old and shabby, a woman can dispose of it and get a new one without 
shocking the entire community.  ~Ann Strong"
    @dingdong: "<quote>
One of those questions like why you wear a watch.  Them that does, does. 
  Them that don't, don't."
    @ken: "<quote>
I understand why you might want to have some stuff for the information. 
But I might go without it on the 'bent. I have a road bike with that 
info being fed into my mind when I want to know how far, how fast etc, 
etc, etc.
Ken
The bicycle is just as good company as most husbands and, when it gets 
old and shabby, a woman can dispose of it and get a new one without 
shocking the entire community.  ~Ann Strong"
    @fobson: "<quote>
Ahhh.  I admit, that's something I had not considered.  While I guess 
you make the argument that people got by without them before, I can see 
how a computer would greatly help with cue sheets when out in unfamiliar 
areas.
\\paul"
    @ken: "<quote>
Having done my first tour last year, I can agree with you on that point. 
I don't think I would want to tour any where without a cycle computer. 
But then again I remember a few "bad" days where I looked down and the 
average speed was about 8mph. That's enough to bum someone out. Seriously.
Ken
The bicycle is just as good company as most husbands and, when it gets 
old and shabby, a woman can dispose of it and get a new one without 
shocking the entire community.  ~Ann Strong"
    @ken: "<quote>
Well isn't feeling younger part of why some of ride? I mean really? Sure 
the exercise is good for your health which makes you feel younger too. 
But sometimes I think just riding without all the gadgets is good too. 
Just ride.
Ken
The bicycle is just as good company as most husbands and, when it gets 
old and shabby, a woman can dispose of it and get a new one without 
shocking the entire community.  ~Ann Strong"
    @tkeats2005: "	Paul Hobson <email_address> writes:
<quote>
I'd rather ride a bike than a computer.
cheers,
	Tom
   Nothing is safe from me. 
Above address is just a spam midden. 
I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca "
    @drolearyusenet: "<quote>
Yeah, but at that point GPS has gotten so cheap and small that it 
doesn't make a lot of sense getting just a bike computer.  I just this 
year removed the magnetic pickups off my wheel/fork for a computer I 
haven't used since the battery died years ago.  For most things I'm in 
the camp of "I'll pedal until I get there" or "I'll pedal harder because 
I'm working out".  About the only thing that interests me is what I can 
average over distance so I can time my leaving, and for that I pretty 
much count on simply planning for 15mph and getting there early if I'm 
feeling particularly fit and/or miss a bunch of stop lights.  While it 
is cute to know your speed at any particular second, there really isn't 
a lot you can *do* with that information while you're sitting on the 
bike.
My personal UDP list: 83.161.120.155, 4ax.com, buzzardnews.com, googlegroups.com,
    heapnode.com, localhost, x-privat.org"
    @ken: "<quote>
Well for as much as I use the M.V. I won't own anything that looks too 
nice. I don't see much sense in having a brand new shiny car sitting in 
the driveway. I only drive the car about 50 miles a week on average.
Ken
The bicycle is just as good company as most husbands and, when it gets 
old and shabby, a woman can dispose of it and get a new one without 
shocking the entire community.  ~Ann Strong"
    @pdl678NOSPAM: "<quote>
When I think I'm getting too compulsive about it, I flip my display to
something else.  For instance, show cadence on the large part and
maximum speed on the little stuff at the bottom.  The difference between
86.1 and 85.7 rpm rapidly becomes sufficiently boring to find something
else to look at, like the surroundings.
Pat"
    @rogerzoul2: "888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 Not really a question here. Just something I noticed. I had a bit of
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 time this afternoon so I thought I would take the recumbent out for a
I didn't know you got a 'bent.  Which one?  Mine is supposed to be here next 
week.  I can't wait. "
    @ken: "<quote>
Well I bought a 'bent last winter actually. Just a beginner one to 
answer the recumbent question. I bought a slightly used (test rides) Sun 
EZ-1 seeing it was the test model I got a pretty good deal on it. here 
is a page on my site with a pic. It's not the best picture but I am 
pretty sure you know what one looks like anyway: 
<url>
Ken
The bicycle is just as good company as most husbands and, when it gets 
old and shabby, a woman can dispose of it and get a new one without 
shocking the entire community.  ~Ann Strong"
    @rogerzoul2: "888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4: [snip]
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 I set off riding and it felt kind of strange to glance down to
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 where the cycle computer used to be and not see it. But after a
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 couple of time I realized that I spent too much time looking at
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 the darn thing. And after a bit more I found that riding without
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 it was actually more fun. I mean I just rode at a speed / cadence
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 that felt comfortable, probably to slow on the overall speed but
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 at a reasonable cadence. And I just rode until I got home again.
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 How long did it take me? I don't know. What was my average speed?
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 I have know idea. Did I enjoy the ride. Yes. I may go without a
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 computer on the 'bent. It's still a fun bike to ride. Even if I
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 don't have all the "important" information that the cycle computer
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 gives me.
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4:
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4: I still don't understand why people have those austin70@example.net.
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4: \\paul
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 I understand why you might want to have some stuff for the
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 information. But I might go without it on the 'bent. I have a road
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 bike with that info being fed into my mind when I want to know how
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 far, how fast etc, etc, etc.
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4
What about touring?  If you tour on the 'bent it might be good to have that 
info..."
    @ken: "<quote>
Oh know I don't think I would tour on any bike with out a cyclo 
computer, or maybe just go with a handheld gps device. I didn't get to 
do any touring this year. Maybe one in south Florida after the first on 
the year.
Ken
The bicycle is just as good company as most husbands and, when it gets 
old and shabby, a woman can dispose of it and get a new one without 
shocking the entire community.  ~Ann Strong"
    @rogerzoul2: "888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4: Not really a question here. Just something I noticed. I had a bit
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4: of time this afternoon so I thought I would take the recumbent
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4: out for a
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4:
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4: I didn't know you got a 'bent.  Which one?  Mine is supposed to be
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4: here next week.  I can't wait.
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4:
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4:
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 Well I bought a 'bent last winter actually. Just a beginner one to
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 answer the recumbent question. I bought a slightly used (test rides)
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 Sun EZ-1 seeing it was the test model I got a pretty good deal on
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 it. here is a page on my site with a pic. It's not the best picture
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 but I am pretty sure you know what one looks like anyway:
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 <url>
Thanks.  Have you considered a tour on the EZ-1?  How do you store your two 
bikes?  I'll be dealing with that problem soon.
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 Ken
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 The bicycle is just as good company as most husbands and, when it
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 gets old and shabby, a woman can dispose of it and get a new one
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 without shocking the entire community.  ~Ann Strong "
    @ken: "<quote>
I find the 'bent to be a better / more fun bike to ride when a)it's 
windy b)I plan on riding more than a couple of hours. I have no numb 
fingers when riding the bent, like I do when I ride the flat bar hybrid. 
But the same is true when riding the road bike with drop bars.
Ken
The bicycle is just as good company as most husbands and, when it gets 
old and shabby, a woman can dispose of it and get a new one without 
shocking the entire community.  ~Ann Strong"
    @ken: "<quote>
I have considered touring on the EZ-1. Although it's not the Tour Easy, 
I think, from my experience with the 'bent and touring it would probably 
be an okay bike to tour on. About storage - It's pretty easy, the M.V. 
stays outside and the three bikes get to live in the garage. And for 
security they are all cable locked together. So short of cutting the 
cable it would be pretty difficult to ride away on any of them.
Ken
The bicycle is just as good company as most husbands and, when it gets 
old and shabby, a woman can dispose of it and get a new one without 
shocking the entire community.  ~Ann Strong"
    @ken: "<quote>
I guess it could also apply to wives.
Ken
The bicycle is just as good company as most husbands and, when it gets 
old and shabby, a woman can dispose of it and get a new one without 
shocking the entire community.  ~Ann Strong"
    @zootkatz: "On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 00:55:35 GMT, John Thompson
<quote>
That's probably because it's got too much RAM. (boooo!)
zk"
    @news: "Doc O'Leary <email_address> wrote in 
news:<email_address>:
<quote>
I don't agree with that statement. I find that the computer an sometimes be 
a good tool for helping to push me a little harder. There's a half mile 
long hill that is at the end of most of my rides (unless I approach home 
from the opposite direction.) I find that I will climb it faster if I set a 
speed that I refuse to let myself fall under. It's fun to see if I can make 
that speed creep up a bit as my conditioning improves.
Cheers,
David"
    @tkeats2005: "	Pat Lamb <email_address> writes:
<quote>
Your surroundings can provide some useful information.
For example I like to look at the flags on buildings to
get an idea of wind speed & direction.  Of course I know
of at least one spot where there are flags at three different
heights, often blowing in three different directions.
Then there's weather watching and "reading" the clouds (in
Vancouver, when you see the clouds stacking up against the
North Shore mountains, you know it's gonna rain.)
I can't even see a cycloputer display without reading glasses.
I can see where I'm going, or I can see what I'm doing, but
I can't do austin70@example.net.
cheers,
	Tom
   Nothing is safe from me. 
Above address is just a spam midden. 
I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca "
    @tkeats2005: "	John Thompson <email_address> writes:
<quote>
My brain hurts after only a few minutes of trying to
quantify a lovely bike ride.
cheers,
	Tom
   Nothing is safe from me. 
Above address is just a spam midden. 
I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca "
    @drolearyusenet: "<quote>
If you want to know how your speed varies over time, you look at the GPS 
record.  It's not even like you have to take a GPS with you on every 
ride, either.  I maintains that is a "log book" measurement and not 
something that is instantly useful.
You don't need a speedometer to tell you to push harder up a hill; you 
just push harder if you can.  That is, why not simply *assume* you're 
going too slow and step it up?  If anything, a computer makes you slack 
off because you have set a slow speed in your mind.  So you may not drop 
below it, but your mind is still target fixated on a minimum instead of 
looking to go as fast as possible.
Just put a sticky on your handle bars that says "Too Slow" if you need a 
reminder to look down at.  :-)
My personal UDP list: 83.161.120.155, 4ax.com, buzzardnews.com, googlegroups.com,
    heapnode.com, localhost, x-privat.org"
    @firstdlast: "<quote>
Maybe you should consider a recumbent computer...     ;-)
Paul D Oosterhout
I work for SAIC (but I don't speak for SAIC)"
    @ken: "<quote>
Very true. I find it's best to know something besides distance when 
navigating in an unfamiliar area, like the street you want to turn onto 
or a landmark / business.
Very very true. I remember when I started cycling again as an adult and 
bought my first cycle computer and was shocked when I felt like I was 
going to die just trying to get over 12mph.
Ken
The bicycle is just as good company as most husbands and, when it gets 
old and shabby, a woman can dispose of it and get a new one without 
shocking the entire community.  ~Ann Strong"
    @Rogerzoul2: ""Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <email_address>
wrote in message
news:<email_address>
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4: ...How do you store your two bikes?  I'll be dealing
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4: with that problem soon.
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 Hang it (RANS Stratus or Formula?) from the front wheel
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 so the bike is perpendicular to the wall and let the
888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 rear wheel rest against the wall.
Thanks.  It's the Stratus XP.  Hopefully, I get it next week."
    @news: "Bill <email_address> wrote in news:XNp7h.4667$yE6.2474
@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:
<quote>
Ain't gonna happen. (Nor did I ever imply anything even close to that.)
The only thing Lance and I have in common is that we both got back on our 
bikes after cancer treatments. But even that is a VERY weak comparison. He 
when through FAR more with his cancer than I did, and obviously came back 
FAR stronger. Besides, even if I wasn't 46, I never had any dreams of being 
a racer. My races are with myself to achieve "personal bests". I see 
nothing wrong with using a bike computer to help me assess that - and while 
I might take the time to post about it, I certainly don't feel compelled to 
justify it to anyone.
Cheers,
David"
    @ken: "<quote>
Interesting point about racing yourself. I have almost given up trying 
to compare my performance to others. And you made a good point about the 
info from a cycle computer being good to compare your rides. But some 
probably me included spend too much time looking at the darn things. I 
think the only thing that really matters (to me) is average speed, total 
distance, and time elapsed. All of which can be taken off the computer 
at the end of the ride. So most likely I will be mounting the 
cyclo-computer out of sight, unless I am going out on tour perhaps.
Ken
The bicycle is just as good company as most husbands and, when it gets 
old and shabby, a woman can dispose of it and get a new one without 
shocking the entire community.  ~Ann Strong"
    @tkeats2005: "	"Ken C. M." <email_address> writes:
<quote>
That's what I used to do.  In fact I meticulously journalized
my rides, including experiences, impressions, sights, weather,
and computer numbers.  Fat lot of good all that did for me.
Actually, since I couldn't afford a decent camera, my journal
was my ersatz photo album.
Just get older so you need reading glasses  ;-)
cheers,
	Tom
   Nothing is safe from me. 
Above address is just a spam midden. 
I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca "
    @ken: "<quote>
Heck yeah Bill. I just hope I am able to still be riding when I get to 
be your age, in about 20 something years. And I agree with the gym 
comment, I can't see myself in a gym for that long either. It seems to 
stagnant, I guess thats because I like to keep moving and have the 
scenery change all the time.
Ken
The bicycle is just as good company as most husbands and, when it gets 
old and shabby, a woman can dispose of it and get a new one without 
shocking the entire community.  ~Ann Strong"
    @bridgemanyang: "<quote>
58 isn't THAT old.  I (and several other people) got blown away by a 
*70* year old on a bike trip to Baja California.  He wasn't particularly 
fast but he sure was consistent.  He just put one foot down after the 
other and just kept going."
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