@1: "Did these blokes read from the same set of speech notes?
November 27 2009
Let me demonstrate the extent of the hijacking. Guess which leader of a 
major Australian political party has just said this - Rudd or Turnbull?
"We have a responsibility ... to be a party of today and tomorrow, to be a 
progressive party. We have to be prepared and to take effective action on 
climate change. (W)e took an emissions trading scheme - to put a price on 
carbon, to enable Australia to cut its CO2 emissions - we took that to the 
last election, in fact we started legislating for it. "
"This is not a game. We are talking about the future of our children and 
their children, we're talking about the future of our planet, we're talking 
about whether we...want to be a credible, progressive political movement of 
the 21st century. "
"I am not aware of any major political party in any country, any developed 
country in the world that has a climate change denial, do nothing on climate 
change platform. It is irresponsible from an environmental point of view. "
"The vast majority of Australians want to see action on climate change. This 
is a fundamental plank in (Labor's) platform. (Labor's) emissions trading 
scheme is very similar to the one (John Howard) proposed. "
"(T)he issue is boils down in the mind of the Australian people, which party 
can we trust to take effective action on climate change? The party that the 
Australian people trust will win in a landslide...(T)hose people who 
advocate that (the Liberals) should become the climate change do-nothing 
party are really underwriting the demise of the Liberal Party. "
And which has said this - Rudd or Turnbull?
"Australia and the world today stand at critical junctures in our national 
and global strategies to tackle climate change. (We're close to )the vote on 
the Government's cap and trade emissions trading system which both sides of 
politics have recognised as the lowest cost way to tackle climate change.... 
When you strip away all the political rhetoric, all the political excuses, 
there are two stark choices - action or inaction.... (W)e choose action, and 
we do so because Australia's fundamental economic and environmental 
interests lie in action. "
"(We) took a plan to tackle climate change to the last election, to tackle 
the risks climate change poses to our planet, and especially to the health, 
lifestyle and livelihoods of our children.... This was the platform we took 
to the Australian people at the election. "
"At the same time, around the world we have seen nations of every political 
stripe take concrete action to work towards legislation in this critical 
area ... "
"In Australia, we must pass (the Government's) Carbon Pollution Reduction 
Scheme - to deliver certainty for business at home and to play our part 
abroad in any global agreement to bring greenhouse gases down. Today, after 
so many reports, reviews, consultations, not to mention the small matter of 
an election - the overwhelming need for Australia to tackle the great 
challenge of our generation is being frustrated by the do-nothing climate 
change skeptics...".
"The Shergold Report commissioned by John Howard and written by the head of 
the Prime Minister's department recommended that Australia should not wait 
for the rest of the world to act. "
"This brigade of do-nothing climate change skeptics are dangerous because if 
they succeed, then it is all of us who will suffer. Our children. And our 
grandchildren...They are betting our future, the future of our children and 
our grandchildren, and they are doing so based on their own personal 
intuitions, their personal prejudices and their deeply ingrained political 
prejudices. "
Hard to pick eh?
Answer: the first excerpt;
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the second.
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Did these blokes read from the same set of speech notes?
They could have each read out each other's lines without anyone noticing the 
difference.
What a joke. The Liberals are led by a Labor man.
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Warmest Regards
B0n oz
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps 
US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists 
worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct 
from natural variation."
Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville"
    @1: ""Seon Ferguson" <email_address> wrote in message 
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Oh yeah?
Then let's have an election on mythical manmade climate change then!
If the scam was fully explained then it would be a landslide for the 
sceptics.
Warmest Regards
B0n oz
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps 
US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists 
worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct 
from natural variation."
Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville "
    @seongf: ""Phil" <st_newcastleATyahooDOTcomDOTau> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
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Lol so what if the IRA supports left wingers? Hitler supported right wingers 
but no one says all right wingers are terrorists. Now I know why you call me 
Patrick.
Not according to all the scientists.
Or we could do something that would actually help the environment. We are 
damaging it but a. man made global warming is a myth and b. even if it is, 
the majority of Australians believe in it and will massively vote against 
the liberal party "
    @seongf: ""b@o@n@z@o" <email_address> wrote in message news:4b0f3fb7$<email_address>
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Well why don't these climate change deniers in the liberal party fully 
explain it then, instead of trying to tear their party apart from within. 
This is a early Christmas present for the labor party. It will guarantee 
that Kevin will be PM for at least 3 terms."
    @1: ""Seon Ferguson" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
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Oh yeah?
Wait until the bills for the emissions tax swindle (if it gets through) 
start rolling in,
and we start sending billions overseas to tinpot socialist dictatorships.
All bets will be off!
Warmest Regards
B0n o
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps 
US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists 
worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct 
from natural variation."
Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville"
    @seongf: ""b@o@n@z@o" <email_address> wrote in message news:4b0f4ed3$<email_address>
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Ok pretend a climate change denier does become the next liberal leader but 
the ALP signs us into the Copenhagen treaty (which I agree is a step closer 
to world government)...
Will Australia be able to leave the world government once we have signed 
into it?
If we start paying $14 billion a year to a unelected group Australia will 
hit a recession in no time. So yeah your right that will wake a lot of 
people up."
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