@cybervova: "Dear friends,
We've discovered that my mother suffered with diabetes about 2 months ago.
She has the 2-nd type (insluine independent) and drinks Diabeton. The main
way she makes the glucose levels to decrease is physical excercises and
Yoga.
She used to fast for a few years before and feels now that this might help.
The scheme was a day without food completely with a very gentle end of the
procedure and getting back to food.
I'd appreciate much your opinion and experience: will fasting help, or can
it harm?
Also, does the glucose level depend on the season? The average level before
was 120 (with Diabeton), now it's very hard to decrease it lower than 140,
why could it be?
Thank you in advance.
Vladimir Gukassyan"
    @oldal4865: "Vladimir Gukassyan wrote in message <email_address>...
<quote>
   I'm not certain what Diabeton is.    In India,  it seems to be a mixed
drug,  containing a high dose of the beta cell stimulator drug called
Gliclazide   (80 mg) and a low dose of an anti-Insulin Resistance drug
called  metformin  (500 mg).   In the Ukraine,  it seems to be Gliclazide
only.
Fasting while taking a beta cell stimulator drug such as Gliclazide is
usually not recommended.   The Gliclazide ingredient in the Diabeton will
stimulate her beta cells to manufacture insulin but if she fasts,   the
extra insulin can force her blood sugar too low and she may pass out.
Many of our better doctors prefer to use the most useful dose of daily
metformin before considering adding Gliclazide to the diabetic's daily
medicines.   If it is possible,  she would do well if she could find a way
to take metformin at 1500 mg/day,  then ration the Gliclazide as needed to
fine-tune her  blood sugar.
The most useful dose of metformin is considered to be at least 1500 mg/day.
If the Diabeton she is using contains metformin,   and she took sufficient
Diabeton to supply 1500 mg/day of metformin,  she would consume too much
Gliclazide and might suffer from overdose.
The blood sugar control of a diabetic and thus the apparent effectiveness of
any anti-Diabetes drugs will depend on the amount of exercise,   any
illnesses, and the amount of carbohydrate which one eats, i.e.:
a.  High levels of exercise will make the medicine work better.
b.  Illness,  stress or pain will often defeat the medicine.
c.  Too much carbohydrate in the diet will overpower the medicine.
Your mother's higher blood sugars could be caused by any or all of these
effects.
Also,   your mother will do best if,  in addition to her Diabeton,  she:
    a.  Loses fat pounds,  especially abdominal fat
    b.  Exercises every day
    c.  Severely controls and rations the total amount of carbohydrate she
consumes each day
Regards
  Old Al"
    @aspen3: "On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 05:47:50 +0400, "Vladimir Gukassyan"
<quote>
1] Physical exercise will use what available glucose there
is provided there is sufficient insulin present.
2] diabeton - do not know what that is or what it contains
but if it contains a medication designed to either enhance
insulin production or inhibit glucose production, then that
could have serious consequences under certai circumstances.
3] Yoga will only reduce the body's requirement for
glucose/energy. It will not reduce blood glucose levels
since a diabetic has a physicaly damaged endocrine system.
Work [physical energy use including that needed for normal
function] requires energy input. [Food] Food = BG increase.
It is possible - but not easy - to balance food requirement
and energy output so that the BG level is not in the realms
where damage is caused [in either direction].
Fasting [moderated] may have some beneficial effect but any
benefit will depend on very precise and regular regimes of
living. When fasting the body will use what energy is
available in the blood initially which is about 20 mins
worth [physical exercise] replenishing from energy in the
form of food in the gut. when that is depleted the fat
stores are then used.
I recently spent 12 hours a day just doing very little and
managed on less than 10% of the food levels I normaly
require and my BG were in the healthy region. However, as
soon as I started to expend physical energy then my BG
dropped and I had a liver dump. Beyond that I would have
burnt what little fat I had and after which  would suffer
irepprable damage.
Fasting for long period IMHO would harm more than do good.
I would reccomend a diet adjusted to whatever physical
activities are needed. Yoga can help and food - little and
often may be the best way.
Colder weather will generally require more energy therefore
a lower BG may be experienced. Warmer weather  - the reverse
is true but this is dependant upon what you consider to be
your normal environment.
Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin 1000 + Gliclazide MR
80mg + Asprin 75mg. 210lbs at Dx to BMI 166lbs
achieved. Now 166 ish"
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