@cyberpilot: "Just was perusing Gamespot.com and reailzed that two game series that I am 
quite fond of, Rainbow Six and Call of Duty have sequels that look like they 
won't be available for the PC?
Rainbow Six Las Vegas so far looks like it is for X360 and PS3 only.
Call of Duty 3 is slated for, get this, the XBOX, X360, PS2, and PS3 but NOT 
for PC? WTF is up with that? If it out for the antiquated XBOX and PS2, why 
not the PC?
Just wondering what other titles in the future that will be hot sellers or 
sequels that won't be released for a PC? I'm not object to consoles, I just 
prefer PC games. One big reason is that I can't stand the controllers for 
any of the consoles, not to mention that I can update my PC to get better 
framerates and improved graphics if I decide to do so.
Boo to Activision and Ubisoft for this decision... "
    @NOspam: "I think both of those games have worn out all there ideas in there PC 
versions and r just not needed and would not be well
received .
Mouse
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    @cyberpilot: ""Garrot" <email_address> wrote in message 
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<quote>
Well, I like the Rainbow Six series, and Vegas sounds like a good premise. 
However, I would much rather see the port go the other way around of course. 
Bring it to the PC, make it as robust as possible, and then dumb it down for 
the consoles. Fine if you want to use the PC as a "beta" of sorts because it 
can always be patched much easier than on X360 or PS3. But once developed 
for a console first, there's no chance of it ever getting the due diligence 
and complexity it deserves for the PC.
Seems like I always get stuck with the short end of the technology curve. 
I've always had a thing for combat flight simulations, and that took a dive 
at the end of the 90's. I have always used a Palm device, and those are a 
dying breed. Now even a PC for gaming looks like it is going down the tubes. 
It'd be fine if consoles were a worthy replacement, but they're not! Not 
with this vglover@example.net.
Maybe I'm just getting old, and find it harder to change with the times, but 
I think it is just the gaming industry looking for the quick buck and not 
looking at the future. Fine, but I hope it bites them in the ass! "
    @cyberpilot: "<email_address> wrote in message 
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<quote>
Three things are preventing me.
(1) flight sims
(2) strategy games
(3) mouse/keyboard controller
Find a way to incorporate those and I'm sold! "
    @macecil: "<quote>
It's not PC gaming that is dying - it's "local gaming stores".  You can
get stuff online faster and cheaper.  Local stores cater to console stuff
for kids because kids don't have credit cards and can't order online as
easily.
Michael Cecil
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    @timo56: "On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 00:03:47 -0400, "HockeyTownUSA"
<quote>
Consoles are turning into PC's, so it's going to happen.
They're now coming with DVD drives, hard drives, ethernet ports and
graphics hardware created by the same companies that make PC hardware.
Its just not there yet for me. I don't like FPS games with a gamepad,
I don't like stick and ball sports, so the only thing that appeals to
me on consoles at the moment is racing games. Perhaps the generation
after the XBox 360 and PS3."
    @cyberpilot: ""Tim O" <email_address> wrote in message 
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<quote>
I think it may be two generations away quite frankly. There will be lots of 
growing pains with the new storage technology (HD-DVD, Blu-Ray), mulit-core 
CPU's, and high definition displays. The XBOX 3 will probably basically fix 
all X360's faults, and then XBOX 4, if things go as they have been, will 
probably be ready as a gaming PC replacement. That'll be 8-10 years down the 
road.
I'm not object to consoles. It's mainly their stupid gamepads that make most 
games unenjoyable for me. Well that, and the fact that there are ten billion 
stuipd FPS and sports games and none of the types that I love. "
    @cyberpilot: ""Garrot" <email_address> wrote in message 
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<quote>
Yeah, there's nothing drawing me to the X360 yet.
Chrome Hounds looks appealing, but not enough to take the plunge.
If Over G Fighters were good, and they offered actual flight controls, I'd 
probably bite, but reviews are quite bitter.
I stopped shopping at EB and GameStop a couple years back after I realized 
it was nothing but a bunch of punks that worked and shopped there. I'd go to 
buy a new game, and they'd take the CD out of the closet and put it in a 
case already opened. I'd tell them I want a sealed game, but they said they 
don't operate that way. Inspecting the CD, it was obvious it was handled 
more than once. I said I wanted the used price then, but they refused. I 
also want to be able to return a game if I get it for a gift, or made an 
impulse purchase and decide I should return it. Fat chance if the case is 
already opened.
I will order from them online, but refuse to go in the stores. "
    @spamtrap: "<quote>
The 360 could run FPS games with kb&m, games developers unfortunately
choose not to support them.
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    @spamtrap: "<quote>
You can get wheels for consoles.
Conversely, for those of us that don't always like sims, consoles have
better arcade racers. The PC has nothing like PGR3 on the 360.
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    @spamtrap: "On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 20:52:45 -0400, "HockeyTownUSA"
<quote>
Personally I like my 360.
I played the 360 demo and it looked terrible, like a bad game from 6
years ago, the only fun was blowing up buildings, there was no fun in
the actual gameplay.
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    @me: "<quote>
There must be a reason for the lack of kb/m support. If it just used the
basic DXInput API then it would be simple to add support to any game
(it's a few lines of code on PC to add DXI support), so there must be a
reason why few have bothered, i.e.; DXI not available, DXI slow or
causes other problems, hardware interference between controller & kb/m ?
Alfie
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Did you hear about the dyslexic devil worshipper ? He sold his soul to Santa."
    @spamtrap: "On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:20:20 +0100, "Alfie [UK]" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
Simply because when they design the AI for a game, they have to dumb
it down for gamepad users. A standard console FPS would be a cakewalk
with a mouse. Similarly in MP FPS games, there would be uproar if
mouse users were allowed to play against gamepad users online. So
developers, and I am sure MS have a hand in it, keep away from the
whole issue.
You can use a standard USB keyboard on the 360 just fine for anything
that requires text input.
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    @timo56: "<quote>
I like driving sims and games. Stuff like Burnout appeals to me just
as much as hard core sims. You can get a wheel and pedals for the
consoles."
    @timo56: "On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:55:25 GMT, Rob
<quote>
Right. Riku is citing the things that are hurting the PC market as the
things that make consoles unlike PC's.
I've owned original Playstation, a couple handhelds and the XBox, and
all have collected dust since I tend to gravitate toward PC games.
Anyone that can't see consoles adapting the PC's strengths in areas
like graphics horsepower and broadband gaming is in denial."
    @spahl: "<quote>
How about mods and patches and other free fan made content?
   Werner Spahl (<email_address>)              Freedom for
"The meaning of my life is to make me crazy"            Vorlonships"
    @mitticus: "riku <email_address> writes:
<quote>
The PS3 has Linux as its OS. It doesnt get more open.
PC/Mac/Sun etc.
The PS2 is way ahead of the rest.
And racing games with pedals/wheels etc. Or electric guitars? Or
microphones? or guns? When was the last time you saw a console in
action?"
    @no: "<quote>
RE4 is being ported to PC for a fall release.
Will you buy it again for the PC? The gameplay looks too slow-paced to 
me no matter what type of system it's on."
    @no: "<quote>
The PS3 is touting K&M support via USB. But, as you said, developers 
will have to design the support into the games. The next Unreal 
Tournament on PS3 is a no-brainer for K&M support, but who knows about 
other upcoming FPS games."
    @spamtrap: "<quote>
That would be the only thing that would get me very interested in
buying a PS3. At the moment I am waiting for the Wii to see how well
that handles FPS games.
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    @no: "<quote>
That's it in a nutshell for me, even though I haven't played RE4 (only 
seen gameplay movies). I hope it turns out to be more engaging than 
Condemned, for example, which had plenty of atmosphere yet repetitive 
gameplay."
    @cyberpilot: ""Andrew" <email_address> wrote in message 
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<quote>
Yeah, I give kudos to Nintendo for trying to come up with a different 
control scheme. Maybe it isn't perfect, but at least they are trying to come 
up with something better. "
    @cyberpilot: ""riku" <email_address> wrote in message 
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<quote>
I'm not referring to a console being used as a PC for office apps. But 
consoles more PC-like as far as games. Games designed specifically for the 
PC seem so much more robust with so many more options and features, not to 
mention upgradeability.
I know consoles eliminate that rapid upgrade path that PC's have, but at 
least offer one set up decent updates after a couple years, like a faster 
video card, more or faster memory, and faster CPU. That would allow gamers 
to use games at higher resolutions. So standard video would run fine at 480p 
or 720p, but the update would allow it to run at 1080i, or actually make 
games more playable without noticeable frame drops. That is completely 
unacceptable for a console anyways. "
    @cyberpilot: ""Andrew" <email_address> wrote in message 
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<quote>
Well, if you take into account the XBOX 360, Cables, and an extra 
controller, you're looking at $600 for a basic setup. I just sold my last 
PC, actually used a few components from it in my new PC, and cost difference 
was $500. I typically make that sort of investment every two years. And puts 
me near the top of the curve.
This doesn't even take into account the screen. At this point in time, it's 
safe to say that even a large majority of people who buy X360's don't have a 
high-def display. That'll run $600 to many thousands, depending on the 
display. Granted it can be used for TV and movie viewing as well.
Then take into account the cost of games. Most new X360 games are $60-$70. 
Most new PC titles are $40, some $50.
So take everything into account, and the console is probably a little 
cheaper. But I look at my PC and it is used for more than just gaming too. I 
figure if I'm going to have a PC anyhow, I might as well spend a little more 
and make it gaming capable.
To each their own. Good for everyone who buy their consoles. I'm glad, it 
keeps the economy moving. I, myself, own an XBOX and PS2. Both which I 
bought when XBOX was $150 and slim PS2 was $130. I have a couple dozen games 
between the two and have had fun, but those consoles probably only have a 
couple hundred hours of game-time total on them. I don't even know how many 
thousands of hours I've spent on my PC. "
    @spamtrap: "On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:02:38 -0400, "HockeyTownUSA"
<quote>
Definitely, I may not see eye to eye with everything that Nintendo
releases games wise, but thank $deity there is a company that is
prepared to take risks with hardware and give the other companies a
kick up the backside.
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    @spamtrap: "On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:19:26 -0400, "HockeyTownUSA"
<quote>
What cables? You get composite and component cables with the $400
premium XBox and you can add $45 for a second controller if you need
one, so that is $445 without even touching on the crappy $299 core
system if you wanted a genuinely basic setup.
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    @cyberpilot: ""riku" <email_address> wrote in message 
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<quote>
My original post was *not* about consoles becoming more PC-Like, but the 
decision of big publishers to ignore the PC as a gaming platform. I don't 
think consoles will become like PC's. They are game machines but are 
starting to add a few extra entertainment elements like watching movies or 
browsing the web. I'm mostly not happy with the control scheme to be honest 
with you. "
    @timo56: "<quote>
I didn't claim that... My claim was that consoles are getting more
like PC's with every generation. When games like Doom, Duke Nukem 3d
came out, only the PC could do that. Then Quake came out, taking it to
another level. The consoles had nothing like that. The closest they
came to saving games was on memory cards.
Microsoft launches the XBox, and in one swoop, we have a console with
the ability to play internet games and save games on a hard drive
right out of the box. It also used many other PC spec parts, some
modified for use in a console. Can you deny that consoles didn't
become more PC like between the SNES, Playstation and XBox?
It's exactly what I'm talking about here. As the consoles become more
like PC's, they start eating the PC's market share due to their low
price and easy "no upgrades" approach. You have your head so wrapped
around niche issues like flight sims and controllers that you can't
see the big picture. If you want to see just how far custom
controllers have been pushed on the consoles anyway, just look at
Steel Battalion for XBox. Its definitely beyond any rudder/pedal setup
Thrustmaster or CH ever put out. "
    @cyberpilot: ""knight37" <email_address> wrote in message 
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<quote>
Unless you're looking for strategy games, there are tons of RTS titles due 
out over the next six to nine months. And many RTS games now are hybrid 
action/FPS/strategy/tactical. A little of all worlds. "
    @no_m_an: "On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:16:56 -0400, "HockeyTownUSA"
<quote>
It may have been mentioned in this thread somewhere that CoD3 is a
quick sequel that is not being developed by "Infinity Ward" (creators
of the first two games). There have been few CoD and MoH games that
were only released on consoles. Only difference is that they are
naming this game CoD3, but that may be because of CoD2 popularity on
XBox360.
The next real CoD sequel from Infinity Ward is supposed to come out on
the PC.
Noman"
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