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Iran warns Zionist entity of targeting nuclear reactor
Aug 19, 2003, 13:50
Tehran - Spokesman of the Iranian foreign ministry, Hamid Reza, yesterday
warned the Zionist entity of any adventure against Iranian nuclear
installations.
Reza, in his weekly press conference, said, "I hope that the Zionist regime
will not embark on any adventure. It proved in the past that it was a regime
that did not respect any doctrines. However, if it commits such a mistake,
it will pay dearly".
The Iranian official's remarks answered to a question on American press
reports that "Israel" was preparing a pre-emptive strike against Iranian
nuclear installations even without approval of the USA.
'Washington Post' last week said that "Israeli" premier Ariel Sharon had
told American president George Bush during his latest Washington visit that
Iran was very near to manufacturing a nuclear bomb and that "Israel" was
seriously considering attacking the Iranian Bushehr nuclear reactor.
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yesterday
mistake,"
    @matta00: "<quote>
Jane's Catalog,
Israeli Missiles include:
Solid and liquid Medium range ballistic missiles capable of delivering
nuclear or conventional HG Explosive payloads.
ICBM capable missiles, they used such to launch 2 tellecomunication
satalites and even survalence Satalites of Isreali Design
Long range cruise missile stile capable of launch from C-130, Boing 727,
DC-10 or large aircraft or from any of the Isreali Navy Destroyers (they
have just a couple of them) or from a launch ramp on the ground.  They have
SRB (Seperate Removable Boosters) that can be attached to them and used for
the launch and first 10 minutes of flight.  (This is the same idea as the
way the US launches the Shuttle).  Just before they run out of fuel the
missile engine is ignited and they separate from the missile.  That would
most likely get them into Iraqi Air Space and then they would continue on
their one way flight to the target.  The range is said to be capable of
reaching Iran, Kuwait, or Saudi Arabia with the use of those boosters.  And
of course they can use the naval launch to do it from a lot closer if
needed.  This missle is programed to fly at under 200 ft and as low as 50
feet from the ground.  It will evade obstructions in its path and
recalabrate in flight a new route.  The newer models being tested now,
include use of the Geo-Navigation Satalites, these will have better ability
to avoid radar by not flying over a portable radar setup and make all
adjustments constantly  to go to the programmed co-ordinates.
Finally Israel has ICBM capability, and it could waste one of them with a
conventional set of warheads (They are 3 Renentry Vehicle payload (3
seperate targets can be designated and each would get a warhead delivered to
it.  Now that could be 3 conventional High yeald warheads or a nuke.  It is
not efficient use of that for this type of mission.
Again, the use of live piloted craft is such that it can be done against a
target in Iran.  Israel has for several years had the ability to refuel in
the air.
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    @matta00: "<quote>
Bobbi, Bobbi,
The last time Syria dared to send its planes up againts the IDF they lost
over 70 percent of their planes and pilots in one massive air battle.
Jordan's air force has always been a joke.  Their pilots rebelled once
rather than scramble when IAF planes went over their nation the entire
length of it to bomb the Iraqi Plant.
If Isreal decided it was worth taking them on they could destroy their
airforces as a prelude to a war and that is the truth of the matter.
Israeli Pilots have always had the highest kill ration (enemy shot down
versus them) till the Yom Kippur War due to the most modern SAM systems over
the Sinia that were manned by Soviets not Arabs (BTW).  If need be they do
have a ME allie in Turkey and those people and their government do not want
a nuclear armed Iran as well.  The IAF have made and had made back use of
facilities with the Turks.  They have a mutual defense pact in fact.  They
hate the fundimenalists in Iran as they see them as a threat to their way of
life.  Now by getting permission of there allie to fly over they would then
be in friendly air space much of the time.  And also tankers do not fly
unprotected, they can carry enough to refule their protective air craft
(fighters) several times and they would fly cover for those refuling during
that phase of the mission.  In fact the International airspace is allowed to
all nations so they can fly the tanker and the fighter-cap using
international airspace to be on station when needed.  Also you do not refuel
an entire george24@example.org.  One tanker means one plane and the others can
add to the cover while that is happening.  The entire refuling could be over
the Red Sea that way and gun boats and one of the Israeli Destroyers (all
equiped with anti-aircraft missiles) have the right to protect against a
threat in those waters.  It is called freedom of Navigation.
The only things needed to pull off a manned sortee against the nuclear
facility is:
3 Jet Squadrons (15 planes) - one takes the target out, the second and third
are cover for the air born tankers.
1 or better yet 2 tanker planes.
Several MPBs (motor patrol/attack boats)
1 of Israelis three destroyers.
(all the boats have to stay in international waters).
The boats serve multiple purposes.  A pilot forced to ditch if he can make
it to water can be picked up, better in international waters, but Iranian
waters can be done by a MPB as they are low radar profile, well armed, and
very fast.  Another purpose is the AA capabilities of the boats is not to be
simply scoffed at, it is high tech.
If a threat comes from the sea, then they offer the protection to keep them
away from the refuling going on.
Any ten IAF planes and pilots can defend against Iran.  Iran has not had
spare parts and the almost all their planes were and still are (now older
models) US built planes.  But to maintain them they needed spare parts.
Ever since Iran-Contra and even before that they had lost all access to
getting the parts needed to maintain their airforce.  If they could get 10
to 20 planes up at all today it would be a mircle.  They were according to
the CIA Source CD and assesments made public during the First Gulf war when
Iraq sent its planes to Iran but most were shot down, had returned all those
planes as part of the peace agreement when Iraq gave Iran back everything
they took.  The supply was cut During the Carter Administration.  How long
has that been since the Iranians took the US Embassy?  Not one spare part
was shipped since that day.  How old are those planes now?  Something over
20 years old with insufficient maintence.  I would not want to be a pilot
ordered to take one of those planes up into combat against any modern design
and new well maintained plane.  Better that they find some WW I planes with
cloth over wood frame and a single stroke Folker Engine.  At least it would
have to take a hit to go down.
Yes Israel may be the second in rating, yet they have consistantly proved
sceptics like you to be wrong every time.    Their pilots BTW have more
training hours in the air than any US Military Pilots.  The US is first
because of its technology.  Israel is second because it never says it cannot
be done, it works out a plan and does it at all costs.  If they are second
rate, then Iraq was, Iran is, and Syria is 20th rate.  The always put up
more planes then Israel yet get blown out of the sky.
Israel has so many options on how to take out that facilty that it is not a
matter can they, it is a matter what way and when.
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    @matta00: "<quote>
She is too blinded by her need to cut down Israeli Defense Forces with
misinformation and opinions that any real facts negate.   Some years back
the Israelis Airforce sent some of its pilots to fly against US pilots with
F-116s and Tom Cats while the Israelis flew their own simpler smaller air
craft against them in exercises.  The scores were about the same, the Top US
Pilots against IAF Pilots.  In actuality in a many against many situation
game, the Israeli Pilots got in close, too close for the air to air missile
(score is earned by getting a missile lock) and kicked the US Pilots buts in
good old fashioned Cannon Fire Dogfighting.  US pilots depend mostly on
their missiles to take on enemy planes.  Israelis like to get in close and
get a lock for there cannons.  they carry more ammunition for the Cannons in
their Gpods than air to air missiles.  US Pilots now attend the Israeli
Training program as part of an exchange program.  We train them in the use
of all the fancy stuff in the F-116s and they train US Pilots in close
proximity tactics for dog fights.  The ones that go to Israel are flight
leaders and instructors at places like Miramar.
She ignors that the IAF have done missions that if the book was followed
could not be done.  Israeli Command is always ready to throw out a section
of doing it by the book to use some new tactic.  IAF was the first to use
Drones that fool radar into believing they are a fighter-bomber many times
the size of the drone.  They were the first to use such to make SAM
launchers reveal themselves and once they "paint" the drone the battery is
done for.   Israel manufactures the equivalent to a Harm Missile (Locks on
to a targeting or guidance radar's location) which once fired and has a
lock, shutting it down does no good the missile will hit the control
equipment causing most times all the SAM launchers to Launch with no lock
and fly wild along the ground taking out some of the own people and
equipment.  Israel used this with the drones to take out all the SAM
launchers in the Becka Valley.  The US never to date has managed that feet.
We only managed in Iraq because we went in with troops first and bombed them
second.   We need to use a stealth Aircraft to take out he Command and
Communications centers.  This, because they uses the old Soviet system takes
out the ability to detect the planes and get a lock on them with the Sims.
Had they been decentralized like the US or  Israel the way the US did it
would have to been the way Israel did it.
She thinks the Arab Air Power will be able to do anything at all to stop the
Israeli Planes.  She does not study the military history of the IAF.  They
outclass all the Arab nations combined and have in every war taken out all
the enemy's air power.  That is facts not opinions.  What has she posted
that backs up her  statements?  george24@example.org.  While I wish for peace, I
have fought in my war.  My son is in the IDF and he wants peace but if he is
ordered to fight he will do so.  Israel has the superiority in their armed
forces.  They prove that every time they face down the Arabs.  They can do
it again.  Arafat was saved at least 2 times by US telling Israel to let
him go.  In two wars the Egyptian Army was cut off from any drinkable water,
food and supplies and the US had to save them by demanding Israel allow
water trucks, food and medical supplies through their lines.  They beat the
excrement out to the Syrians in every war.  They ran right over Lebanon and
the Syrians to trap the PLO and were about to finish them off but the US
forced Israel to let them leave by sea to Morocco.  Jordan got smart sooner
than Egypt and did not enter the last war at the urging of Saddat to join
Egypt and Syria.  They knew they could not win and would loose more again.
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Hey Roberta.  You're Jewish, and on the subject of Israel, your head is
not up yer ass.  So what gives anyway? What a pleasant oddity.  I was
beginning to give up on you folks.  
As of 8-13-03, in the 146 days since the start of the Iraq War, the US
has suffered 1,895 casualties (6,694 unofficial)* in the Iraq Theater,
Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Djibouti, Palestine, Israel, Colombia,
Pakistan, the United States, Yemen, Jordan and Liberia - 312 killed,
1582 wounded (6381 unofficial) and 1 missing; or 2.1 killed per day. 
For the Iraq War, there have been 1,795 US casualties (6,592
unofficial), 282 killed and 1513 wounded (6310 unofficial); or 1.9
killed per day. The British have suffered 52 killed or missing; their
wounded tally is unknown.  US casualty totals cover both civilians and
military victims of the War on Terror in the locales listed above.
British totals cover the Iraq War only.   
A rough though incomplete estimate of Iraqi civilan casualties so far is
7,869 killed and 19,733  wounded. The cost of the Iraq War so far has
been $69.8 billion. 
*Unofficial figures includes an attempt to factor in an interview on US
NPR radio show with Lietenant-Colonel Alan DeLane, in charge of the
airlift into Andrews AF Base Hospital in Maryland. He stated that 8000+
wounded US troops from Iraq, with 90% of the injuries being directly
related to combat, have stayed in their hospital since the war started. 
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    @matta00: "<quote>
I am confirming the fact that the Israeli AF can hold its own.  To find the
original sources you just have to look in the NY Times for the article,  It
was about 6 months after the F-116 came out.  FP and Bobbie want to think
that Israel would loose an engagement with the Arabs or the US would even
care to take any more than a repremand after the fact, should Israel take
out the Iranian Nuke Facility.  It is more likely the US would be behind the
scenes helping the Israelis to do it.   It would not be the first time the
CIA and Pentagon had a second party do the dirty work for them so they could
deny that they had anything to do with it.   The Regan Admin. Tried that
with the Iran Contra deals, the CIA used their friends in the Mossad to get
a group of Israelis to be the arms dealers for them and to the Iranians when
the US officially had embargo'd Iran, and Congress had cut off the Contra
Rebels (fighting a communist government).   By using them as the go between
they were for a while able to deny any part of the deals.  Are we really
sure that the CIA and Pentagon did not have prior knowledge of the attack on
the Iraqi Facilities.  My bet would be that they did and actually wanted it
to happen.
A Nuclear Armed Iran would be a danger to the US as well.  They are not
happy we took the side of Iraq in the war bettween them.  They have fired on
US ships in the waters near their nation from their platforms.  Imagine a
Nuke Mine or  Silkworm (they have them) Shore to Ship MR Missile?  That
could take out a carrier group!
So the US would be more likely to say in private, go and do it and we will
not take any action against you.  We may publically display being upset with
you for a short time but we actually do support it.  It is called
Deniability.
The idea of the Arabs using an air force is rediculous.  Iran has no air
power left, Iraq also lost its air force, Egypt is to far away to stop the
action, and Syria knows it would be met by other IAF pilots and shot down
like they were every other time.  Jordan also is more likely to see the
Iranian Nuclear Program as a threat.  That government is *not* a Islamic
Fanatical Regiem.  Just as they stayed out of the Yom Kippur War, and stood
down when Israel took out the Nuclear Facility in Iraq, flying through their
airspace to do it, they would not care about Israel taking out the Facility,
they would be flown around or a covertly ignore the flight over and through.
Turkey is allied to Israel and dislikes Iran as it sees them as a threat.
IAF planes have landed there for joint training manuvers several times.  The
navies of three nations, US, Israel and Turkey have also had training
manuvers together.  Though mostly Islamic they have a lot of Greek Orthodox
citizens and thier laws allow the worship other than Islam which is
something that makes Iran a danger to them.
Simply put if Israel decides to take out the nuclear facilities they can and
will and no one is capable of stopping them.
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    @matta00: "<quote>
Your people do not have the balls to do it and what they do have would be
cut off and fed to them as their last meal.
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    @matta00: "<quote>
Sharon
BiBi
half the Kennesset
Just to name a few.
Also the General of the IDF, head of the Mossad, and the Entire IDF and IAF
all have the power to make Iran into Glowing Radioactive smoldering glass
and ash
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