@dfnsonfsduifb: "Hi people,
okay, this is a provocant subject, but it's true.
I solely use Linux. My girlfirend uses Linux most of the time, but there 
are three reasons for her to use Windows: The Sims 2, Zoo Tycoon and 
Anno 1503. So I installed it for her.
When installing the last of these three games, Windows crashed. Badly. 
Nothing, really nothing responded except Ctrl-Alt-Del. The taskmanager 
came up. And crashed. When telling Windows to reboot, it crashed during 
the reboot process.
Even I thought this was weird for Windows (Windows 2000 Professional - 
professional, LOL) and thought of HDD-errors. Starting in safe mode. 
Crashed. It all crashed. Booting via boot-cd and "chkdsk"ing - no errors.
Took me about 2 hours to figure out it could be the Anno-CD. Ejected the 
CD, everything went fine again. Probably some CD protection the kernel 
doesn't handle too well.
So now the question is: how the FUCK can anybody manufacture an OS which 
_completely_ crashes when you insert a CD (the game is an original, no 
copy!)? How is that possible.
Gosh, I hate Windows. I hate it so much.
Greetings,
Johannes
One can look at the designs of a bridge, realize it's built of tongue
depressers and bubble gum, and from this conclude that it is, indeed,
junk, without once having to take the actual suicidal risk of driving
across it. We do the same with your code.  Your code is crap.  [...]
                    - Kelsey Bjarnason in COLA about Jeff Relf's X.EXE"
    @sinister: "On 2004-10-18, foamy <email_address> sputtered:
<quote>
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^
Howdy, Flatso.
Windows XP... now runs all your favorite viruses."
    @sinister: "On 2004-10-18, Lin�nut <lin�<email_address>> sputtered:
<quote>
That's out Flatypus!
I wanted to make a list of all Microsoft innovations. Then I remembered
that CTRL-ALT-DEL is handled by the BIOS."
    @flipal: "It also makes the Linux kernel crawl.
Try placing a slightly scratched, but completely usable, CD in the tray
under SuSE 9.1 and leave it there.
Now go and take a look at /var/log/messages and you will see HUNDREDS of
lines like this:
Oct  9 17:03:21 bluto kernel: subfs: unsuccessful attempt to mount media (256)
Oct  9 17:03:21 bluto kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
Oct  9 17:03:21 bluto kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
Oct  9 17:03:21 bluto submountd: mount failure, No such device or address 
Oct  9 17:03:21 bluto kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
Oct  9 17:03:21 bluto kernel: subfs: unsuccessful attempt to mount media (256)
Oct  9 17:03:21 bluto kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
Oct  9 17:03:21 bluto last message repeated 2 times
Oct  9 17:03:21 bluto submountd: mount failure, No such device or address 
Oct  9 17:03:21 bluto kernel: subfs: unsuccessful attempt to mount media (256)
Oct  9 17:03:47 bluto kernel: ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3
Oct  9 17:03:47 bluto kernel: ISOFS: changing to secondary root
Oct  9 17:03:51 bluto kernel: ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3
Oct  9 17:03:51 bluto kernel: ISOFS: changing to secondary root
Oct  9 17:03:56 bluto kernel: ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3
Oct  9 17:03:56 bluto kernel: ISOFS: changing to secondary root
Oct  9 17:04:00 bluto kernel: ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3
Oct  9 17:04:00 bluto kernel: ISOFS: changing to secondary root
Oct  9 17:04:06 bluto kernel: ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3
Oct  9 17:04:06 bluto kernel: ISOFS: changing to secondary root
Oct  9 17:04:09 bluto kernel: ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3
Oct  9 17:04:09 bluto kernel: ISOFS: changing to secondary root
Oct  9 17:04:12 bluto kernel: ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3
Oct  9 17:04:12 bluto kernel: ISOFS: changing to secondary root
Oct  9 17:04:16 bluto kernel: ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3
Oct  9 17:04:16 bluto kernel: ISOFS: changing to secondary root
Oct  9 17:07:13 bluto kernel: ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3
Oct  9 17:07:14 bluto kernel: ISOFS: changing to secondary root
Oct  9 17:07:17 bluto kernel: ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3
Oct  9 17:07:17 bluto kernel: ISOFS: changing to secondary root
Oct  9 17:07:21 bluto kernel: ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3
Oct  9 17:07:21 bluto kernel: ISOFS: changing to secondary root
Oct  9 17:07:28 bluto kernel: ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3
Oct  9 17:07:28 bluto kernel: ISOFS: changing to secondary root
Oct  9 17:08:41 bluto kernel: ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level
And it goes on forever.
Suse 9.1 Professional with a default install.
Linux sucks."
    @dfnsonfsduifb: "<quote>
Does that make your system _completely_ unusable?
Does it not at all tell you where the problem is?
You're such a dumbass, clearly.
Greetings,
Johannes
One can look at the designs of a bridge, realize it's built of tongue
depressers and bubble gum, and from this conclude that it is, indeed,
junk, without once having to take the actual suicidal risk of driving
across it. We do the same with your code.  Your code is crap.  [...]
                    - Kelsey Bjarnason in COLA about Jeff Relf's X.EXE"
    @flipal: "<quote>
Slows it down quite a lot.
No.
Only if you know where to look for it.
BTW I just discovered that it doesn't have to be a scratched CD.
ANY CD left in the tray will cause the slowdown.
For pointing out a clear fault of Linux?
Sorry if the truth is too much for you to handle."
    @dfnsonfsduifb: "<quote>
Exactly my opinion! Do you have problems with negations?
You're a dumbass for comparing apples to pears.
You also do not seem to know there are distributions which do not by 
default use an automounter. You're not able to disable the Windows 
automounter, are you?
Now please, do us all a favor and FOAD, dumbass.
Greetings,
Johannes
One can look at the designs of a bridge, realize it's built of tongue
depressers and bubble gum, and from this conclude that it is, indeed,
junk, without once having to take the actual suicidal risk of driving
across it. We do the same with your code.  Your code is crap.  [...]
                    - Kelsey Bjarnason in COLA about Jeff Relf's X.EXE"
    @flipal: "<quote>
Using the old patented Lino-Loonie Distribution Switcheroo.
Lame.
Very Lame.
BTW you show your stupidity yet again.
It's trivial to disable Windows "Auto Insert Notification".
But since the last version of Windows you used was Windows 3.1 you might
not know that.
Glad to see you act like a rat when you get cornered.
Typical Lino-Loonie behavior."
    @willpoast: "begin  It was on or about Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:52:18 -0400, that foamy was
seen to post:
<quote>
Maybe on your system, but it doesn't seem to affect any of mine.
Who says it's *linux* fault? It could well be your system.
Linux on the Microsoft Xbox
<url>
<url>"
    @flipal: "<quote>
Oh yea, here is how you do it with Linux....
 <url>
***************************************************************************
""Situation
You are not comfortable with the automatic mounting via submount and subfs implemented by default in SUSE LINUX 9.1 and later for removable media (floppy, CD, and DVD) and hotpluggable devices, like USB sticks and USB hard disks. Therefore, you would like to return to the conventional way of mounting media.
Procedure
For the floppy, CD, and DVD drives, this can easily be done by editing the file /etc/fstab. For example, for a DVD drive and a floppy drive, simply change the respective lines from
/dev/dvd     /media/dvd        subfs   fs=cdfss,ro,procuid,nosuid,nodev,exec,iocharset=utf8 0 0
/dev/fd0     /media/floppy     subfs   fs=floppyfss,procuid,nodev,nosuid,sync 0 0
to
/dev/dvd     /media/dvd        auto    ro,noauto,user,exec,iocharset=utf8    0 0
/dev/fd0     /media/floppy     auto    noauto,user,exec,sync                 0 0
Important: First make a backup copy of the original /etc/fstab.
For hotpluggable media, like USB sticks, the procedure is even easier. First, run a YaST Online Update to update the hotplug package. Then open the file /etc/sysconfig/hotplug as root and set the variable HOTPLUG_USE_SUBFS from yes to no. Use the following command to apply the change and restart the hotplug system:
rchotplug restart
In this case, hotplug will not cause directories to be created under /media when a new data medium is detected via hotplug. If no directory exists yet, it must be created manually, for example, with the following command:
mkdir /media/sda1
The data media can be mounted as usual, for example, with the following command:
  mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1
*************************************************************************************
One wrong character and the user will render the system unbootable.
Real user friendly this linux poop is.
Indeed you are.
foamy"
    @dfnsonfsduifb: "<quote>
LOL! _You_ show your stupidity, as you do not at all know what an 
automounter is.
And, no, it's _not_ your "Auto Insert Notification".
With Windows you have a permanent automounter which you cannot disable. 
Live with it. I don't.
Greetings,
Johannes
One can look at the designs of a bridge, realize it's built of tongue
depressers and bubble gum, and from this conclude that it is, indeed,
junk, without once having to take the actual suicidal risk of driving
across it. We do the same with your code.  Your code is crap.  [...]
                    - Kelsey Bjarnason in COLA about Jeff Relf's X.EXE"
    @iso88591QlinF8nut: "<quote>
Surrrrre it does.  Surrrrrre it does.  One second with ten messages,
then a message every few seconds.  And it makes the kernel crawl.
You must think we're a bunch of idiots.
No, you suck.  What an bonehead.
Penguins love icebergs."
    @iso88591QlinF8nut: "<quote>
That's why the note says to make a backup of /etc/fstab.
And, if you mess up the lines your editing, it affects usb and cd's not the
hard drive.
Obtuse idiot.
Penguins love icebergs."
    @iso88591QlinF8nut: "<quote>
This is the same crap, with very similar wording, that flatfish spouted a
month ago.  I scratched the hell out of a CD and tried to mount it.  No
system slowdown whatsoever.
foamy is just that... a bunch of airy bubbles.
Penguins love icebergs."
    @willpoast: "begin  It was on or about Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:34:33 -0500, that
Lin�nutlin�nut was seen to post:
<quote>
Yes, indeed.  
Linux on the Microsoft Xbox
<url>
<url>"
    @willpoast: "begin  It was on or about Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:33:10 -0500, that
Lin�nutlin�nut was seen to post:
<quote>
He doesn't even know that! What a prat.
Linux on the Microsoft Xbox
<url>
<url>"
    @mist: "<quote>
That's why I had to do a return on a Toshiba laptop running XP.  I put 
in a DVD and the dumb thing just crashed and then rebooted itself.  And 
it was over a smudge on the DVD.  I cleaned it off and it worked,... so-so.
-
Th3 G0ld3n Yrs Sux0r"
    @sysko_kidd: "<quote>
That experience alone was enough for me to dump my Adaptec 2940UW and 
move over to basic IDE.
In all fairness this was several years ago and was with ext2 file 
system.
I'm sure things have improved since then.
Windows will go out to lunch when it loses a CDROM as well.
I have seen the CDROM device simply disappear from device mangler after 
trying to read a CD that it might have troubles with.
Even putting a different, known good CD in the tray will not fix it.
A re-boot is required.
Things only get worse if the device is on the same IDE controller as the 
OS boot drive, foolish but common.
Sysko Kidd
"I'm a Friend of Everyone" 
"Suse Linux 9.1 is the bling bling of software kits""
    @hamilcar: "<quote>
Flatfish Flat"fish`, n. (Zool.)
   Any fish of the family Pleuronectid[ae]; esp., the winter
   flounder (Pleuronectes Americanus). The flatfishes have the
   body flattened, swim on the side, and have eyes on one side,
   as the flounder, turbot, and halibut. See Flounder.
"With open source, there is no way to make more software."
 Chris Sharp. Director, Platform Strategy. Microsoft Asia-Pacific."
    @jedi: "<quote>
[deletia]
At least Unix gives one such an option.
No such "switcheroo" is possible with monoplyware.
[deletia]
        Negligence will never equal intent, no matter how you 
attempt to distort reality to do so. This is what separates         ||| 
the real butchers from average Joes (or Fritzes) caught up in      / | \
events not in their control."
    @willpoast: "begin  It was on or about Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:48:43 -0600, that Hamilcar
Barca was seen to post:
<quote>
I think Turd-o-Troll may be more apt..
Linux on the Microsoft Xbox
<url>
<url>"
    @peter: "<...>
<quote>
Easy - Windows is manufactured to a marketing specification, not a
technological specification.
I installed a Pinnacle PCTV board in a Windows machine. Everything is
fine until I record some video. Windows crashes. Reboot. It does the
same thing again, but this time it's lost its CD drives. Nothing I do
will make it record more than a minute of video.
I installed the PCTV in another nearly identical machine and it worked
perfectly.
Absolutely. It's dreadful.
Peter"
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