@poguemidden: "Absolutely Essential Reading:
DSH
_Go Ahead, Call Us Cowboys_
"A visit to the Alaska-Canada border brings home the differences between
the cultures."
BY ANDREW KLEINFELD AND JUDITH KLEINFELD
Monday, July 19, 2004
The Wall Street Journal
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"Mr. Kleinfeld is a judge on the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
Mrs. Kleinfeld is director of the Northern Studies Program at the
University of stacy02@example.org.  This article appears in the
July/August issue of _The American Enterprise_."
'Nuff Said....
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor"
    @bluebell: "news:dcVKc.605$<email_address>
<quote>
Re: above
It's so fashionable to go on about Canada like this, isn't it?
There are other differences, if you care to look, and a great many
similarities between Canada and the USofA.  Trouble is, it isn't the thing
right now to dwell on that.
Perhaps divergence starts with the constitutions.  America has "life,
liberty and the pursuit of happiness".  We have "peace, order and good
government".
Cheers:
CJ Adams
Canadian (i.e. disarmed American with health care)"
    @poguemidden: "Excellent!
Yes, you have definitely put your finger on a salient difference.
I'll stick with the U.S. Constitution.
Cheers,
DSH
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| ...Perhaps divergence starts with the constitutions.  America has
| "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".  We have "peace, order
|  and good government".
|
| Cheers:
| CJ Adams..."
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<quote>
....
intended.
Wonderful satire on US foreign policy.
T"
    @poguemidden: "Well, I've allowed a decent interval to pass and no one CAN or WILL spot
the lacuna below and derive meaning from it.
"Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" [the capitals are in the
original document, smart fellows and good writers in those days  they
knew how to use capital letters and used them freely] are words in our
DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE of 4 July 1776  NOT in our Constitution of
the United States, which first became effective on 4 March 1789.
You Canadians did not FIGHT a Revolutionary War to gain your
Independence from Great Britain.
We did, long and hard  for five years.
You were GRANTED your Independence  it was PRESENTED to you by the
British North America Act in 1867.
So that's a salient difference between the United States and Canada.
Our births were quite different.
Our Constitution actually speaks of:
1.  Forming a more perfect Union.
2.  Establishing justice.
3.  Insuring domestic tranquility.
4.  Providing for the common defense.
5.  Promoting the general welfare.
6.  Securing the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.
But your central point is quite correct in the crunch:
Even so...
LIBERTY and the pursuit of INDIVIDUAL happiness, rather than just
COLLECTIVE happiness seem to be far more important to Americans than to
Canadians.
So, not surprisingly, your Society is more COLLECTIVIZED and SOCIALIST
and less INDIVIDUALISTIC.
Cheers,
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
| ...Perhaps divergence starts with the constitutions.  America has
| "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".  We have "peace, order
|  and good government".
|
| Cheers:
| CJ Adams..."
    @poguemidden: "You Canadians did not FIGHT a Revolutionary War to gain your
"Independence" [such as it is] from Great Britain.
We did, long and hard  for five years  1776-1781 and gained our
Independence.
We defeated the British with the welcome help of the French.
You were GRANTED your "Independence" [such as it is]  it was PRESENTED
to you on a silver platter by the British North America Act in 1867.
So, that's a salient difference between the United States and Canada.
Our births were quite different.
There is also a large, important question as to whether Canada's
"Independence" [such as it is] would ever have been granted by Great
Britain absent the previous [disastrous, for the British] example of the
American Revolution.
Great Thoughts To Ponder.
So, Canadians may well owe their "Independence" [such as it is] just as
much to the courage, bravery and gritty persistence of the Americans in
having DEFEATED the British and teaching them a well-deserved lesson in
humility, as the Canadians do to the alleged "reasonableness" and
"graciousness" of the British in granting "Independence" [such as it is]
to them.
None of the British leaders wanted to make the same foolish mistakes
King George III and Lord North had made in losing the American Colonies,
which became the United States  so they were housebroken and FAR less
arrogant than their forebears had been in the 18th Century  thereby
making the Canadians' path to "Independence" [such as it is] far easier
and smoother than it would otherwise have been.
Deus Vult.
Exitus Acta Probat.
Cheers,
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor"
    @bluebell: "news:ba9Lc.670$<email_address>
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Ah well mea culpa...but the illustration remains useful.
Granted? oh no.  We fought for it  or rather fought to keep it.
We resisted war and invasion from the USA (American Revolution, starting
with the assault on Quebec in 1775). the War of 1812. revolution (the pro-US
losers fled south), armed incursions from secret political societies widely
supported in the US in the 1830's and 1840's and Fenian Raids in the 1860's
and 1870's. The major battle of that era, Ridgeway 1866, was sort of like
the Bay of Pigs, but for Cubans read Irish, and it came through Buffalo NY.
Like Bay of Pigs, it didnt work either.
We like to think that we held our own, and just in case you're one of the
"no-win"s about 1812, consider that the US war aim was to take Canada and
ours to defend.  Our war aim was met.
You might also wish to consider, just for fun, Joint Army-Navy War Plan
Crimson (Invasion of Canada), written in the 1930's.  It's in the National
Archives,  you can go see it.  It was declassified in (memory) 1972.  I
have always liked to believe that it was just a staff exercise.
So it would seem.  America kept trying to remove ours.
Never mind, its all water under the Peace Bridge now.
Cheers
CJ Adams
Arte et Marte
Footnote: The leader of the 1837 Rebellion in Upper Canada fled to the US
after it didn't quite work out.  He was later pardoned and elected mayor of
Toronto.  Even our rebellions are different.
Footnote 2: The Hunters Lodges, a secret society, were active around 1840
and had some strength.  They also seemed to have access to state armouries.
They organized several armed incursions and later swirtched to piracy
(burned a ship in the St. Lawrence), border outrages and a bombing  all
designed to get the US and the UK into war.  President Tyler eventually
ordered them to cease; eventually they did."
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. And we like it that way.
<quote>
My only problem with the American Revolution is that it did not go far~
enough in distancing itself from the Monarchy & peerage.  I often daydream
about invading Great Britain to get them to change their policies.  Would
make a great novel atleast...
You can never have enough children, regardless of their status."
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