@kwicker1b_nospam: "For those who want to whet their appetite for the upcoming remake, or recoil 
in horror at the upcoming remale, AMC is reairing the original
THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL
Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 11:15 AM Central.
 Ken from Chicago "
    @macthevorlon: "<quote>
Why the hell would they do that, remake it and NOT be an update that's
true, at least in all major ways, to the original and the book?  Seems
to me that if they're going to radically change it, they shouldn't be
allowed to use the original title.  If what's been said here is true,
IMO, it's case of Spielberg screws up, again.  Sure, the director of the
remake has to leave his mark on it, but does the mark have to be made in
piss?
Mac Breck (KoshN)
-
"Babylon 5: Crusade" (1999)
Galen: "There is always hope, only because it's the one thing that no
one has figured out how to kill yet."
Actually, Galen was wrong.  Warner Brothers and The Sci-Fi Channel
killed all hope, long ago."
    @macthevorlon: "<quote>
You both liked it a lot more than I did.
SOMEBODY put a cork in the mouth of that screaming banshee kid!!!
Mac Breck (KoshN)
-
"Babylon 5: Crusade" (1999)
Galen: "There is always hope, only because it's the one thing that no
one has figured out how to kill yet."
Actually, Galen was wrong.  Warner Brothers and The Sci-Fi Channel
killed all hope, long ago."
    @macthevorlon: "<quote>
I liked RISKY BUSINESS. Of course, the Christopher Franke/Tangerine
Dream music helped.
Join the club.
Mac Breck (KoshN)
-
"Babylon 5: Crusade" (1999)
Galen: "There is always hope, only because it's the one thing that no
one has figured out how to kill yet."
Actually, Galen was wrong.  Warner Brothers and The Sci-Fi Channel
killed all hope, long ago."
    @dtravel: "<quote>
Worse!  He's infectious!
"What Kind of perv rememembers the scenes where she's clothed???" -
Anim8rFSK, 8/23/08 "
    @mikeb: "<quote>
There's a club?  Must be one of the biggest clubs on the planet.  Where 
do you meet (football stadiums)?"
    @ANIM8Rfsk: "<quote>
Yes.  I smiled at the end when Gene Barry showed up, but beyond that, I 
wanted the Martians to kill the actors, and keep going and get the 
writer and director too.
Third root canal - averted.
Hip Hip Hurrah!"
    @ANIM8Rfsk: "<quote>
We meet where the Katie Couric fan club *used* to meet.  :(
Third root canal - averted.
Hip Hip Hurrah!"
    @ANIM8Rfsk: "<quote>
You don't know that Nicole Kidman did him.  Mimi Rogers divorced him 
because he wouldn't do HER.
Third root canal - averted.
Hip Hip Hurrah!"
    @mikeb: "<quote>
Katie Couric had a fan club?  Man I must have missed a memo.  This is 
all coming as news to me.  I would have thought I'd have at least known 
  about the hate Cruise club."
    @kwicker1b_nospam: ""jayembee" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
It would be SOCIALLY Conservative, not Fiscally Conservative.
 Ken from Chicago "
    @macthevorlon: "<quote>
That's bad news, because the studio wouldn't care if the new one pissed
all over the legacy of the original, as long as the new one made lots of
money.  Studios just slap a well known and respected title on a remake,
even if the remake is shit, and they know that alone will cause lots of
people to take a chance on it.  Hell, I bought the "War of the Worlds"
(2005) DVD even though I never saw it in the theaters and even though I
knew that Tom Cruise was in it.  Immediately after watching it, I
rewatched my DVD of the 1953 version as an act of cleansing, and sold
the 2005 version to Half Price Books & Music.  I really should have
destroyed my 2005 DVD version so that nobody else would be able to watch
it.  One down, so many to go.
War of the Worlds (2005)
Production Companies
-Paramount Pictures
-DreamWorks SKG
-Amblin Entertainment
-Cruise/Wagner Productions
The War of the Worlds (1953)
Production Company
-Paramount Pictures
No.
Mac Breck (KoshN)
-
"Babylon 5: Crusade" (1999)
Galen: "There is always hope, only because it's the one thing that no
one has figured out how to kill yet."
Actually, Galen was wrong.  Warner Brothers and The Sci-Fi Channel
killed all hope, long ago."
    @ANIM8Rfsk: "<quote>
She gave interviews saying she wanted a baby but he wanted to be a monk.
Third root canal - averted.
Hip Hip Hurrah!"
    @kwicker1b_nospam: "" krp" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:_rHDk.488$<email_address>
<quote>
If it's not kinescope it's crap!
 Ken from Chicago "
    @macthevorlon: "<quote>
It's a mistake I made because I like the 1953 version so much.  I was
hoping that the 2005 version would have been more like the 1953 version.
Going from memory because I haven't seen the 2005 version since I sold
my DVD, I had a problem with the story changes (compared to the 1953
version), and the *constantly* screaming Dakota Fanning.  Wouldn't have
been surprised if her constant screaming caused the Martians' heads to
explode ala Mars Attacks!
Well, he also directed:
Jurassic Park (1993)
Always (1989)
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989)
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (1984) - Hey, I liked some of it.
Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
Jaws (1975)
Duel (1971) (TV)
Luckily (I guess.), he's only a Producer on "When Worlds Collide"
(2010).
Mac Breck (KoshN)
-
"Babylon 5: Crusade" (1999)
Galen: "There is always hope, only because it's the one thing that no
one has figured out how to kill yet."
Actually, Galen was wrong.  Warner Brothers and The Sci-Fi Channel
killed all hope, long ago."
    @ANIM8Rfsk: "<quote>
For me the movie failed right off the top, when they explained 
laboriously that everything electric didn't work, and then had a guy 
with a camcorder that was fine (I thought we were gonna see that it did 
NOT work and he'd snappped, but no) just so they could do the 'zoom in 
on the screen' shot and then you can fix an EMP zapped car with, what 
was it, new solenoids????
crap
dreadful crap
crap crap crappity crap crap
I dunno.  From the director of The Mummy movies (which I kinda liked but 
don't give me confidence in him handling When Worlds Collide) and Van 
Helsing which I thought was awful.
The synopsis says:
"Alpha Centauri is on a collision course for Earth, and mass hysteria of 
biblical proportions breaks out in the streets. But when a billionaire 
astronomer discovers a planet capable of sustaining life orbiting Alpha 
Centauri, he plans to build a rocket to transport a small group of 
people to the planet in order to populate it and insure survival of the 
human race."
They lost me completely at "Alpha Centauri"
Third root canal - averted.
Hip Hip Hurrah!"
    @dtravel: "<quote>
<snip course synopsis>
Fifteen minutes in to the first session all the execs forget why they're 
there and go back to their offices with cell phones dialing.
You only get that much time to pitch a whole movie, why would you think 
they'd give you more time to explain why it couldn't happen like that?
"What Kind of perv rememembers the scenes where she's clothed???" -
Anim8rFSK, 8/23/08 "
    @macthevorlon: "<quote>
Nooo, no, no, no, 5 minutes into the first session, all the execs' eyes
glaze over and they lapse into a deep coma.
Mac Breck (KoshN)
-
"Babylon 5: Crusade" (1999)
Galen: "There is always hope, only because it's the one thing that no
one has figured out how to kill yet."
Actually, Galen was wrong.  Warner Brothers and The Sci-Fi Channel
killed all hope, long ago."
    @ANIM8Rfsk: "<quote>
I'd give honorable mention to Duel and CE3K (the original version).
But, yeah.
Third root canal - averted.
Hip Hip Hurrah!"
    @dtravel: "<quote>
Those are the Fox TV execs.
"What Kind of perv rememembers the scenes where she's clothed???" -
Anim8rFSK, 8/23/08 "
    @macthevorlon: "<quote>
Then, how did they walk into the room?
Mac Breck (KoshN)
-
"Babylon 5: Crusade" (1999)
Galen: "There is always hope, only because it's the one thing that no
one has figured out how to kill yet."
Actually, Galen was wrong.  Warner Brothers and The Sci-Fi Channel
killed all hope, long ago."
    @macthevorlon: "<quote>
;-)
Mac Breck (KoshN)
-
"Babylon 5: Crusade" (1999)
Galen: "There is always hope, only because it's the one thing that no
one has figured out how to kill yet."
Actually, Galen was wrong.  Warner Brothers and The Sci-Fi Channel
killed all hope, long ago."
    @macthevorlon: "<quote>
*and* Skiffy and TNT execs, and to a lesser extent, all the rest.
Mac Breck (KoshN)
-
"Babylon 5: Crusade" (1999)
Galen: "There is always hope, only because it's the one thing that no
one has figured out how to kill yet."
Actually, Galen was wrong.  Warner Brothers and The Sci-Fi Channel
killed all hope, long ago."
    @dtravel: "<quote>
If we knew that we might be able to figure out how they can claim to 
actually do work.
"What Kind of perv rememembers the scenes where she's clothed???" -
Anim8rFSK, 8/23/08 "
    @cmnnospam: "<quote>
Not only does he not know tanks have machine guns on them, but he
thinks that big tube sticking out the front is part of the radio! Can't
go frightening the children with guns, you know. That might turn them
into gangsters."
    @macthevorlon: "<quote>
Mostly long ago.
Mac Breck (KoshN)
-
"Babylon 5: Crusade" (1999)
Galen: "There is always hope, only because it's the one thing that no
one has figured out how to kill yet."
Actually, Galen was wrong.  TNT killed 99% of all hope for Crusade in
1999.  Then, Warner Brothers and The Sci-Fi Channel came along and
killed the remaining 1% sometime in 2001."
    @ANIM8Rfsk: "<quote>
Nothing wrong with the original Close Encounters, although the retcon 
ruined it.
Third root canal - averted.
Hip Hip Hurrah!"
    @ANIM8Rfsk: "<quote>
the special edition where Dreyfus' family became useless, and he gave up 
nothing whatsoever to follow the UFOs, and he didn't even destroy that 
horrible duck pond.
Third root canal - averted.
Hip Hip Hurrah!"
    @ANIM8Rfsk: "<quote>
In the original, he has a loving family that stands by him through his 
increasingly erratic behavior and finally she has to get the kids out of 
there when he turns violent; he gives up a lot to follow the UFO visions.
In the special edition, most of his bad behavior is cut out (like 
tearing down the duck pond).  Basically he takes a shower with his 
clothes on (after being burned! which doesn't even seem unreasonable) 
and they bail on him.  It leaves you feeling that he's well rid of her, 
and he gives up nothing to follow the UFO visions.  Or just thought the 
neighbor was hotter than his wife and took off with her.
One wonders if Speilberg was happily married during the first version 
and not so happily during the retcon.
Also, the end follows Dreyfuss inside the ship in new footage that's 
badly designed and executed.  Spoiled even the Mothership.
Third root canal - averted.
Hip Hip Hurrah!"
    @usenet: "[CE3K]
<quote>
Wow. It's years since I've seen the original cut, so all I remembered
being different in the SE was the mothership interior at the end. I'll
have to dig out a copy of the original. I have a collector's edition DVD
set somewhere that might have the original as an extra (although with
Spielberg who knows. He's second only to Lucas for wanting to bury
earlier cuts).
I do recall Spielberg saying in an interview that there's no way he
could have made CE3K in later life, he no longer being comfortable with
the idea of a man giving up a loving family to chase a personal dream.
But by that point he wasn't comfortable with the idea of enforcement
officers being armed with anything so awful as actual firearms either,
so one might argue his judgement wasn't what it once was. Come to think
of it, the interview may well have been around the time of the ET
retcon.
Getting back to CE3K, I personally think he was being unfair on his
earlier work. Despite the When You Wish Upon A Star motif I never saw
the protagonist chasing a dream so much as in the grip of an obsession.
People give up love and stability for obsession all the time, often not
realising what they're giving up or why until it's too late. AND
Dreyfus' character had the added twist of having his mind f**ked with
directly by the ETs, so it's not like he was a totally unsympathetic
figure.
Of course as I admitted earlier I don't recall too much of the original,
so maybe he really does come across as a selfish bastard in that cut.
It'll be interesting to revisit after all these years.
Kev
__________________________________________________________________________
                      "Council listens to local people on public toilets."
                                                              Shepway News"
    @ANIM8Rfsk: "<quote>
me too
I've got the laser disc versions.  I was disgustipated enough not to get 
the DVD.
ick
Yes
I understood and sided with him and felt for him and my heart broke for 
him as we joined him on his journey  in the original.  I felt sorry 
for the wife too.  In the retcon I didn't care much about any of the 
people; "oooo pretty spaceships!"
Enjoy!
Third root canal - averted.
Hip Hip Hurrah!"
    @ANIM8Rfsk: "<quote>
I hope you appreciate I didn't simply reply:
"No"
Third root canal - averted.
Hip Hip Hurrah!"
    @dtravel: "<quote>
Of course she doesn't, she is a woman after all.  *grin*
I don't think I've seen the retcon version or at least not the inside the 
mothership new ending.  Unless it was another of those "we'll just put the 
actor in front of this spotlight aimed directly at the camera" type shots. 
I HATE those.
"What Kind of perv rememembers the scenes where she's clothed???" -
Anim8rFSK, 8/23/08 "
    @ANIM8Rfsk: "<quote>
No, they built this really bad model of the inside of the ship, which is 
pretty much hollow and covered with shiny windows and flying crap, and 
Dreyfuss just stands there.  For what seems like minutes.
Third root canal - averted.
Hip Hip Hurrah!"
    @macthevorlon: "<quote>
disgustipated?  LOL  Morphing/making up your own words now?  disgusted +
constipated? LOL <Walks off. Shakes head. Laughing.>
Mac Breck (KoshN)
-
"Babylon 5: Crusade" (1999)
Galen: "There is always hope, only because it's the one thing that no
one has figured out how to kill yet."
Actually, Galen was wrong.  TNT killed 99% of all hope for Crusade in
1999.  Then, Warner Brothers and The Sci-Fi Channel came along and
killed the remaining 1% sometime in 2001."
    @pvusenet: ""Dimensional Traveler" <email_address> writes:
<quote>
Leaving aside that it's impossible for a single standalone movie to
possibly have a retcon, are there more than two versions of Close
Encounters? The Special Edition didn't materially change the story as far
as I can remember - just tightened up some scenes and added a few effects. *
* PV   something like badgerssomething like lizardsand something
       like corkscrews."
    @jerry: "On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:57:57 -0700, Anim8rFSK <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
At least the ceiling of the mothership interior went to better things
in its followup role as the roof of police HQ in Blade Runner.
Jerry Brown
A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)
<<url>"
    @ANIM8Rfsk: "<quote>
No, they dropped most of the "Nedry is going crazy" stuff (making Terri 
Garr completely unsympathetic) and added a long boring ending.
There are a couple things I like better, like the ship in the desert, 
but for the most part the special edition of CE3K is just awful.
There are more than 2 versions, yes, because there are TV versions that 
have combination stuff.  I have no idea how many versions are available 
on home video.
Third root canal - averted.
Hip Hip Hurrah!"
    @jerry: "On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:00:45 -0700, Anim8rFSK <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
Neary. Nedry was the computer guy in Jurassic Park.
Jerry Brown
A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)
<<url>"
    @ANIM8Rfsk: "<quote>
LOL, thanks.  Confused two project SS screwed up.
Third root canal - averted.
Hip Hip Hurrah!"
    @kwicker1b_nospam: ""Mac Breck" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
That's what they have "people" aka "assistants" for.
 Ken from Chicago "
    @kwicker1b_nospam: ""Mac Breck" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
If only they were comatose, then they would NOT ax great shows too soon.
 Ken from Chicago "
    @kwicker1b_nospam: ""Mac Breck" <email_address> wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Quick lesson: Photodynamics.
Lasers are light and thus move as fast as light, like a flashlight or 
spotlight and thus all "laser" weapons are beam weapons. However plasma 
weapons can fire pulses of energy.
 Ken from Chicago "
    @ANIM8Rfsk: "<quote>
Never watched Star Trek TOS "Wink of an Eye" didja now?
UFObama
On 10/14 a UFO 2000 miles across, the size of the Moon, landed on Alabama.
ACORN has already signed up all 16 million illegal aliens onboard to vote."
    @ANIM8Rfsk: "<quote>
Unless they have dead man switches, and the minute their wrists go limp 
the show is cancelled.
UFObama
On 10/14 a UFO 2000 miles across, the size of the Moon, landed on Alabama.
ACORN has already signed up all 16 million illegal aliens onboard to vote."
    @dtravel: "<quote>
That takes on all kinds of new meaning when you realize that to many 
Hollyweird is a hotbed of gay power....
"What Kind of perv rememembers the scenes where she's clothed???" -
Anim8rFSK, 8/23/08 "
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