@misc: "Ok, so I normally don't follow this stuff too closely, but I saw a link 
and a bunch of people are talking about it, so decided to see if I 
could get up on a current event.  Here's what I got:
"The new law makes it a crime [to do something] illegally. [...] Other 
provisions allow lawsuits against [those] that hinder enforcement of 
[...] laws, and make it illegal to hire illegal [people ...] or 
knowingly transport them."
So, do I understand correctly that a bunch of people are all up in arms 
because the governor of AZ went WAY out on a limb and signed a law 
making it illegal to commit a crime or aid someone who is in the act of 
committing a crime?!
WTF am I misisng, here?!
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    @tmswork: "<quote>
What link?
It clarifies what is "trespass" and expands the definition.
In 2006 and '08 AZ passed three state Propositions dealing with illegal 
aliens. All three of these passed with overwhelming majorities, 70%-30%, 
72%-28%, and 80%-20%. Interestingly, all three passed with the highest 
demographic being native and legal Hispanic immigrants.
Our illustrious governor, Crappy Nappy" (who won by only 740 votes in a 
state when some 4,000-8,000 votes were "questionable"  you figure it 
out), and the AG (Goddard)  refused to enforce them and went so far as 
to interfere with enforcement at the local level. Moves to impeach him 
for malfeasance ran up against a media juggernaut. That was the same 
media that screached at 120 decibels for impeachment on Fyfe Symington, 
who was later acquitted on ALL charges.
"Nappy" sent the AZ NG to the border, but without weapons or ammunition. 
ICE stands by and picks their noses. When they local cops pick up 
illegal aliens, ICE kicks them back on the street within a few hours, 
and not at the border.
Employer sanctions. My SIL works for a manufacturing company in Tempe 
that has been busted three times and now ICE actually has an agent on 
the premises during business hours as a condition of their continuing in 
operation.
Human trafficking is a big business here and its correlary, kidnapping.
The Dems want the votes (see: Nappy's 2002 election) and the Repubs want 
the cheap labor.When they had a big Pro Illeal rally in Phoenix a while 
back, ACORN was pretty blatnt about handing out voter registration 
cards. When Anti-illegal Repub Don Goldwater (Barry's nephew) ran for 
governor in 2006 against Nappy, the RNC and the ARC both ponied up not 
one dime for the campaign.
A spell checker? And in the subject line, too."
    @jeremy: "<quote>
Most everything important, like having to carry proof of citizenship, 
cops stopping you on suspicion of being an immigrant, arrest for not 
having the right papers etc. There are other silly laws built into the 
bill, but why not just read it.
It does not really have any funds for enforcement, but the potential for 
abuse is there.
It will get chucked out the first time the native police chuck a white 
man in the reservation drunk tank for not having proof of citizenship, 
as he is obviously from out of the country :-)
JJ"
    @tony: "<quote>
Well, with all the shit that the feds are doing now from socialized 
medicine to executive orders forcing visitation rights for gay lovers 
for any hospital that accepts a dime of Medicare or Medicaid, the one 
thing they are *not* doing is one of the things they are *required* to 
do, and that is secure our borders.
The immigration laws are on the books, but the Obama administration 
refuses to enforce them (if he did, his poor old auntie Zaituni might 
have to go back to Kenya where she belongs).
So Arizona has said: "If you won't enforce them, *we*will*!"  And the 
feds are saying: "Forget it!  Those are our constituents.  We are the 
only ones who have the right to enforce those laws, and we choose not to!"
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    @kdixon2711: "<quote>
We have allowed illegal immigration to get out of control and it's 
biting us in the ass so now I have to carry proof of citizenship? Done. 
I carry  my passport card in my wallet. I think I can handle the extra 
weight.
Mind you I am not happy we've gotten to this point but we did it to 
ourselves in search of cheap labor and political correctness, and this 
is not just a US problem, it's the same in GB, Germany, France, Italy, 
Spain, pretty much the entire planet. Look for the Arizona response to 
spread."
    @Mickey: "<quote>
It also raises a question of fairness, i.e., "Equal Protection Under
the Law". Why should *I* be forced to obey the law, when this other
person is not? Have we entered an era where we are allowed to pick and
choose among our laws, like some kind of legal smorgasbord, and
assemble a juicy plate of laws we think are "fair"? "
    @misc: "<quote>
Choose one from column-A, one from column-B and any two from column-C.
Be sure to carry your card identifying your choices at all times, and 
show it to a peace-officer, when requested.
There's a movie in this  where's Lee?  <G>
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    @tmswork: "<quote>
Wrong.
Have you read it?
No, under the AZ law, you only have to carry ID; immigrants must carry 
their Green Card or whatever documents they got when entering the country."
    @tmswork: "<quote>
You must always provide ID to a LE officer when stopped under 
"reasonable belief" anywhere and whoever you are."
    @name: "I tell you what you're missing.
It will result in the arrest and deportation of many future voters of the 
liberals candidates in office. That's what this is about. Pandering to a 
whole cross section of demographics to suck up votes.
Classic corruption. "
    @tmswork: "<quote>
Race and profiling has noting to do with this whole issue.
Pandering, parasitism and staying in power is everything that's behind it.
Generally.
If this is so racist, maybe the nose-up-Obama's-ass media (NUOAM) can 
explain why, while the AZ measure is shown favorable by 64% of the 
population, it's favorable by 77% of the native and legal Hispanic 
population."
    @name: "You are so insensitive for brining up facts.
Do you know how many potential voters the liberals are gaining by supporting 
illegal aliens?"
    @name: "<quote>
heh, yea, just as soon as Obama's next agenda is put into play which is
total legalization of every man, woman and child here.
Yea, he was honest when he said "Universal Health Care will not be extended
to illegal aliens" (you remember the "YOU LIE!" moment in congress a while
back)....
...because the fact is, he plans on legalizing them so then they won't be
illegal. Then they will get free health care at the working man's
expense.... then, in return, they will continue to vote liberals into office
to perpetuate thier free hand outs and entitlements.
Only the blind can't see it coming."
    @tmswork: "<quote>
Even the Feds already admit that AT LEAST 10% of them vote and possibly 
as many as 30%.
Or the willfully blind."
    @ingilt: "<quote>
As opposed to right now when the working man (hah!) gets hhs
health care subsidised by millions of illegals who, thanks to
their fake ID, get to pay for a system they can never use?
Moreover, matters aren't quite as one-sided as you paint them.
Latinos are typically pretty conservative on social matters and a
Republican pitch in support of families, God and against
homosexuality will find sympathy with them.  "
    @tmswork: "<quote>
They use the ER and don't pay even a co-pay and the overwhelming 
majority don't pay taxes outside sales taxes.
After two generations, not when they arrive.
As above.
Pull my finger, Alex!"
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