@mthitch: "Panhandler shot to death
Woman charged with murder after being asked for 25=A2
BY JANE PRENDERGAST
QUEENSGATE - He took a bullet over 25 cents. Donald Francis, who
police believe was homeless, stood outside the Marathon station at
Eighth and Linn streets late Monday night, asking people for money.
That annoyed Geraldine Beasley so much, Chief Tom Streicher said, that
she shot and killed Francis when he approached her. "He asked her for
a quarter," the chief said Tuesday. Beasley, 62, of Walnut Hills,
complained to someone else at the scene about the panhandling,
Streicher said. Then, he said, when Francis asked her for money, she
pulled out a gun and fired. "That's apparently all there was to it,"
the chief said. Beasley was charged with murder after police collected
evidence at the scene and spoke to witnesses and Beasley, court
documents said. Beasley was in court today and ordered held on a
$500,000 bond. Her attorney, Mass Ionna, told Hamilton County
Municipal Court Judge Fanon Rucker that his client has mental issues.
Beasley's history with the court system dates back 15 years, mostly
traffic charges, eviction cases and civil judgments both for and
against her. Court records show no felony charges until now. She was
fined in 2003 for improperly transporting a loaded gun after officers
found one in her van."
    @Bluecap3000: "<quote>
So apparently she was able to buy a gun legally, even though she has
mental issues and a 15 year history w/court systems. Wonderful....
pl"
    @dgdevin: ""Deke_Rivers" <email_address> wrote in message 
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So apparently she was able to buy a gun legally, even though she has
mental issues and a 15 year history w/court systems. Wonderful....
pl
**********
We know she has mental issues because her lawyer, the person paid to get her 
off, says so?  And we know she bought this gun legally exactly how?  I also 
missed the part where traffic tickets or evictions or civil suits (i.e. 
non-violent, non-criminal matters) should disqualify anyone from owning a 
firearm.  Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with a history of serious 
crime or mental disturbance being a bar to owning firearms, but where in 
this news account did you see that? "
    @Bluecap3000: "<quote>
I have no doubt she has mental issues, if only because of the crime
she just committed.
As far as the gun, I quote:
"She was fined in 2003 for improperly transporting a loaded gun after
officers
found one in her van. "
If the gun was obtained illegally, that would have been added to the
violation above; I assume that would have been a bigger offense(it
said "improperly", not "illegally")
pl"
    @dgdevin: ""Deke_Rivers" <email_address> wrote in message 
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<quote>
If it happened that way, sure, but what if the guy was aggressive and she 
was afraid of being assaulted?  Presumably that's why we have trials rather 
than relying on some newspaper or web site to tell us what really happened. 
As for trusting Chief Streicher, he's a bit of a loose cannon if local news 
reports are to be believed, he called his own terrorism alert in 2004 
without bothering to tell the rest of Cincinnati govt. what he was doing and 
he's never explained why, got a bit of a temper too.
How do you figure the cops would know if the gun was obtained illegally? 
Does Ohio have a registration system that would give them such information? 
For all you and I know she's owned the weapon in question since Nixon was 
President.  Do we know if the weapon she was fined for transporting 
improperly years ago is the same one she used to shoot this guy?  I don't 
know if she's had that weapon for ages or bought it last month, do you?
If it turns out that the system failed to prevent her from buying a gun 
after she had established a criminal record or was diagnosed with a 
dangerous mental condition then I'm all for the system being fixed, but we 
don't have anything like the information we'd need to conclude that.  So far 
all we know about her past is she has some traffic tickets and she's been 
involved in some evictions and civil lawsuits, if that's all there is then 
I'm puzzled as to what you think should have prevented her from buying a gun 
if it turns out she did buy one in recent years. "
    @volkfolk1: "<quote>
Anyone who would kill someone over a quarter most definitely has
mental issues
Which doesn't mean that they were a prior diagnosis, or that she
shouldn't be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
But as far as I am concerned she must have been a time bomb. this poor
homeless guy just happened to be there when she went off
Scot"
    @dgdevin: ""volkfolk" <email_address> wrote in message 
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<quote>
Agreed, but I still don't know if that's how it really happened, if she was 
just pissed off or if she might have been a frightened woman who thought she 
was defending herself against a mugger, one news story isn't enough for us 
to know IMHO.
Her lawyer already seems to be angling for a psych defense.
Yeah, it could have been a door to door missionary or somebody asking for 
directions, if she's that confused or hostile (take your pick) then it could 
have happened at any time. "
    @pharmboy2k: "Nice thought, but there's no way we're ever going to do anything about
the gun problem here in America, until we can cure the reasons why
people (mostly men), feel that they have to solve their problems
(mostly small peckers), by shooting the living shit out of everybody.
Ever notice that the bullets and missiles look like big dicks?
It's only here in the good 'ole USA that everything has to be bigger,
faster, stronger, etc. Just watch network television for an hour, any
night of the week. It's that fucking bullshit machismo that fuels all
of the hatred and fear in this country. You don't see people driving
Hummers and eating 72oz steaks over in Europe, because they're far
more evolved than we are.
We Amerikans have been conditioned to feel that we should get whatever
we want, and if we can't get it, we'll take it. And if that means
blowing someones' head off in the process, like in Newark the other
day, than so be it."
    @dgdevin: ""Rupert" <email_address> wrote in message 
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<quote>
There was an interesting article in Esquire many years back, written by a 
guy who along with his psychologist wife had moved to an apparently nice 
neighborhood in L.A.  They were both educated professionals, liberals, but 
as they unfortunately realized their nice neighborhood wasn't free from 
crime they began to experience a desire not to be included in crime 
statistics.  When neighbor after neighbor was burglarized or mugged or 
whatever this guy finally bought himself a handgun, took lessons in how to 
use it and even got himself a concealed carry permit.  One day he decided to 
walk to a convenience store for the proverbial quart of milk and almost 
didn't bother to take his pistol as it was a warm day and he didn't want to 
wear a jacket, then he decided there was no point owning it if it wasn't 
there when he needed it, so he put on the holster and the gun and out the 
door he went.  I forget if it was on the way to the store or the way back, 
but several young men appeared who informed him that they'd be taking his 
wallet.  So he produced his pistol and told them to be on their way, the 
leader of this little crew sneered and took a step forwards, so the educated 
liberal professional shot him in the leg.  The would-be muggers retreated, 
the author of the article did likewise.  As he figured they probably weren't 
going to call the cops he decided he wouldn't either to avoid the legal 
complications that reporting the incident could generate for him, but later 
he wrote about it I suppose in such a way that no prosecutor would have 
enough to charge him.
Apparently Americans use a firearm in self defense about two million times a 
year, often without having to actually fire a shot.  How do you suppose 
someone who drives off a mugger or burglar with a gun would respond to your 
cliched claim that the gun that just prevented their blood from being 
spilled is just a penis substitute?
No, you see people driving V-12 Ferraris and Maseratis and so on and eating 
gourmet foods that cost more than a 72oz steak ever dreamed of.
Does an illegal immigrant from Peru count as an Amerikan? "
    @pharmboy2k: "DG,
As usual, you just don't get it.
I'm not talking about people defending themselves with firearms. I'll
all for it.
What I'm talking about is criminals using firearms. That was the whole
message behind Joe posting the Brady thing. Thugs these days don't get
into fistfights anymore, they just simply pull out a gun to settle
their disputes. This is why "educated liberals" feel the need to
defend themselves in the first place.
Now get back in your box."
    @jrmorris: ""DG" <email_address> wrote in message 
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<quote>
"Cream pies and seltzer bottles"
           Wavy Gravy "
    @frndthdevl: " That was the whole
<quote>
If you believe in karma, Brady got what he deserved. He was the
mouthpiece for Ronnie, you know a republican who sponsored terrorism
in Central America, dead and raped catholic nuns because of him. Hey
Joe, why is republican Brady better than any other? he got what you
wish for every other republicrap. Once a republicam scum alwasy a
republican scum I thought?
real democrats have high speed access!
<url>"
    @mthitch: "<quote>
You stay outta this, X.  And yeah, that 9 was a bitch....
Mark
PS: Anyone who needs to brag on a newsgroup about their so called good
deeds is probably in heavy self gratification mode."
    @frndthdevl: "<quote>
actually I have been thinking the story about your buddy has been your
story. Well except for the part about the woman. And oh, no I do not
have dreams of sleeping with a 17 year old girl, that you said all men
do. Well not since I was 17 anyway. But hey, if you want to keep on
talking about Mexican 17 year old hookers, I am sure some republican
child abusers would love to show you their pics.
and yeah James fucking mouthpiece Brady got what he deserved. Real
democrats would never kiss ass to a Reagan flunky. You fail your
democratic purity test"
    @dgdevin: ""Rupert" <email_address> wrote in message 
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<quote>
Oh I get it just fine, despite your attempt to ignore that the overwhelming 
majority of firearms owners in the U.S. never come to the attention of law 
enforcement.
Right, and how are they supposed to do that if the law makes it difficult if 
not impossible for them to do so?  If this illegal alien charged with this 
shooting had been properly dealt with the last couple of times he came to 
the attention of the authorites  what was it, assault and child 
molestation?  he wouldn't have been loose to shoot anyone.  But let's 
ignore that and instead pretend that new laws will somehow magically make it 
harder for criminals to get guns when the only people seriously 
inconvenienced by such laws are the law abiding portion of the population.
Thugs have been doing that in America for a long time, didn't you ever watch 
Deadwood?
I have no box, and if I did you'd have no way of making me get in it, gee, 
too bad for you.  Speaking of boxes, you should climb down off yours before 
you fall and hurt yourself, much as you'd probably like to make another 
speech about less-evolved Americans with their Hummers and 72oz steaks and 
similar nonsensical left-wingnut rubbish. "
    @pharmboy2k: "<quote>
Hey, if the shoe fits, assclown.
The last time I went home to England I don't recall seeing any GMC
Suburbans with limo tint, spinning chrome rims, or televisions in the
headrests. It's America's need for cheap, unnecessary crap, that is
fueling China's economy of lead-filled toys, toxic waste dumps, and
poison food. Enjoy your BigMac.
"YOU MAKE...YOU BUY...YOU DIE!""
    @dgdevin: ""Rupert" <email_address> wrote in message 
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<quote>
Brilliant, with razor-edged logic like that what chance do I have?
So your nonsensical rant about Americans and guns having gone nowhere you've 
decided to switch to mindless consumerism as your beef, cool.  Notice any 
Aston Martins back in the UK, how about Jags or Bentleys or Rolls Royces or 
Range Rovers?  Or do those just not count because they aren't American?
There are a lot ways to waste time online, being Joe Lite has to be one of 
the oddest. "
    @pharmboy2k: ""Hi!
I'm DG Devin, and everything I ever wanted to know about European
society, I learned from watching James Bond movies. Everybody in
Europe tools around the French Riviera in Feffaris and private jets,
while eating gourmet food. And no one in places like Amsterdam,
London, or Paris, would ever want to ride a bicycle, or ride public
transportation, because it's just not cool...or sexy."
"In fact, most of us drive Hummers and Chevy Tahoes, although the
streets aren't wide enough for them, and we can't afford the gas,
because it costs more than gas in America. But it's cool, because it
makes us feel like real men, although are cocks are tiny."
You obviously don't get out much.
Perhaps you should ask Steve in Japan how many SUV's are on the road
there, too."
    @pharmboy2k: "Oh, no witty comeback?
Good, I'm through with you anyway. You amuse me about as much as Brett
Meissner.
You can go and join your compadres like Michael Savage, in your bomb
shelter, with the baked beens in a tin, listening to AM talk radio
until what's left or your brains melt into the wrapper your deep-fried
Snickers bars came in."
    @dgdevin: ""Rupert" <email_address> wrote in message 
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<quote>
Hi, I'm Rupert, and everything I know about America I learned from hanging 
around whackoid leftists who assure me everyone in America drives a Hummer 
and eats a 72oz steak for breakfast.  I haven't actually seen that with my 
own eyes, but it plays to my biases so I'll go with it, it doesn't have to 
be true to be emotionally rewarding for me.  And if millions of Americans 
ride mass transit every day or drive compact gas-sippers or eat organic 
food, well, I'll pretend I didn't see that 'cause it isn't convenient to the 
rant I want to post in r.m.gd.  Central to my argument is American males 
having small dicks, you can tell it will be a *really* insightful and 
profound piece of writing.
Whatever the answer is, issues like the size of the streets and the price of 
gas clearly determine that number much as they do in Europe.  So what?  Your 
absurd attempt to pretend the Brits or Japanese don't consume luxury goods, 
that's it's only Americans who buy chrome-plated ego-boosts, well it's 
laughable.  But don't let that stop you from hissing and whining over what 
wretched and repulsive people Americans are, although at some point one has 
to wonder why if you despise Americans so much you choose to be here. "
    @dgdevin: ""Rupert" <email_address> wrote in message 
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<quote>
Oh I'm sorry, was there a time limit?  LOL, that's the same stunt your pal 
the mutual-fund hippie tried one time, did he loan you a script to follow? 
Does that mean you'll eventually get around to asking about Building 7?
Aw, what a shame, your staggeringly biased and ignorant rants about what 
vermin Americans are were so interesting.
I listen to AM radio when I need a traffic report, I've never heard Savage 
(ever) and I rarely eat candy or deep-fried food.  Sorry if I don't fit your 
pigeonhole, I'd hate for you to have to stretch your mind enough to take in 
the idea that someone can disagree with you without fitting the formula you 
desperately want to believe describes them, but that's the way it is.
Now Playing: Led Zep  "Communication Breakdown"  (Of course for there to 
be communication both parties have to be willing to listen, and clearly your 
mind is closed as tight as it could be). "
    @pharmboy2k: "<quote>
I don't despise Americans, just the dumb ones. Why do you think I live
in Marin? It's where the more highly evolved end up sooner or later."
    @onetaste2000: "<quote>
Another blanket statement that proves once again that there's an
exception to every rule. How long, exactly, has zis self-loathing been
troubling you?
Fre(u)d"
    @dgdevin: ""Rupert" <email_address> wrote in message 
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<quote>
I share some of your contempt for the mindless consumerism many Americans 
wallow in, but unfortunately you used such a broad brush that there was no 
way to tell you only loathe *some* Americans, that's what happens when one 
rants I suppose.  Your argument was so flawed that it made no sense, for 
every American driving a Hummer there's a Brit driving a Jag or a German 
driving a big Mercedes and so on, your apparent belief that it's only 
Americans who blow piles of money on absurd automobiles or other luxuries 
simply doesn't survive serious examination.  Besides, when you base an 
argument on the dick size of people who do things you disapprove of you 
really can't expect to be taken seriously, can you. "
    @dgdevin: ""Joe" <email_address> wrote in message 
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<quote>
Be thankful, Joe, that you haven't experienced real fascism.  As horrible as 
the Bush administration has been, it doesn't even come close to the label 
you (over)use so freely.  I've met people who lived through the real thing, 
your frequent misuse of the word insults their memory.
I'm familiar with it Joe, although I prefer the Mendocino area myself.  Both 
areas have an odd mix of aging hippies, and yuppie scum who made their pile 
and retreated from the cities.  As a mutual-fund hippie who lives off 
investments in the "fascist" corporate America you claim to hate so much I 
suppose you have one foot in each camp, huh?
I don't anger Who fans, I anger trolls, people who show up purely to spread 
shit around and who don't like being called on it and made a laughing-stock. 
Some of them are just Usenet Performance Artists such as you aspire to be, 
but a few are full-on whackos, there are times when I think you need to 
guard against tipping over from one category to the other.  Building 7, Joe, 
Building 7. "
    @dgdevin: ""Joe" <email_address> wrote in message 
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<quote>
Crushing, simply crushing.  What's the matter Joe, portfolio take a beating 
recently?
Liar.
You're funny, you're the most transparent troll in r.m.gd yet whenever you 
manage to get a reaction you get all defensive and stressed.  One minute 
you're waving your sign trying to get someone to look at you, the next 
minute you're bleating that you're not here to argue about the absurd 
propaganda you spout.  You truly are the oddest little Usenet Performance 
Artist around, at least Wereo sticks with his insane fantasy, you can't even 
manage that. "
    @dgdevin: ""Rupert" <email_address> wrote in message 
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<quote>
Joe's tried that one on a few times too, it seems he has homophobia issues 
so naturally he figures that accusation is an effective weapon, for a 
supposed hippie he sure doesn't seem very kind. "
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