@JesusisLord: ""Do as I tell you".
In so called 'Christianity' they do what is right in their own eyes.
Instead of being doers of the Word they have made themselves 'studiers of 
the doing' of the Word.
Therefore, nothing gets done and they waste their lives striving in their 
own image to give increase to themselves.
Vanity.
Michael Christ "
    @GSitchy: "<quote>
Since you seem to be so righteous and all...
Why don't you tell us what "the Word" means or is. Explain what the
Bible means by the expression "God's Word"."
    @trdell1234: "On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 18:05:20 -0700 (PDT), r  m <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
Romans 10     I get more out of this chapter every time I read it.
God Bless
Matt"
    @JesusisLord: ""Great Sage Itchy"  wrote in message 
news:240420111545310047%<email_address>
<quote>
Jesus.
Michael Christ "
    @JesusisLord: ""Jude Alexander"  wrote in message news:ip2coc$n96$<email_address> 
<quote>
No, only the 5 He said, Jude.
Michael Christ"
    @JesusisLord: ""r m"  wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
"Do as I tell you"... is of faith.
Michael Christ"
    @Cajun: "<quote>
But the other is implied. :)  God kills, hates, gives diseases to righteous 
men  (Job), kills families because of bet (Job), tortures people here and 
hereafter, etc. etc.  We cannot or we'll be tortured for eternity. :)  Well, 
this is IF one believes we can know God through the bible. "
    @GSitchy: "<quote>
THAT'S IT???  - "JESUS" 
That's the 2-digit EGO-Christian answer to EVERYTHING. 
Another pathetic performance by the Aussie CHUNG. 
Here is some good advice I gave CHUNG which you also would do well to
follow. 
"My religion is NOT EGO-Christianity, like yours, Chung. So "Jesus" is
not "LORD" for me. In my religion, Jesus is a skeleton. 
Of course to an EGO-Christian like you, that means I'll roast. 
And to me, you are a sick, arrogant, self-righteous asshole. You're
just another 2-digit arrogant evangelical who uses Christianity to hide
his stupidity, egotism, homosexuality and INSANITY. 
Every time you repeat 1 Corinthians 12:3*, you demonstrate yet again
that you have no real understanding of the Bible, since the words don't
mean what you think they do. They are NOT meant LITERALLY. You are
simply not smart enough to understand the Bible. 
Find some other line of work more suited to your abilities, like
interior decorator, hotel assistant manager, mens clothing salesman,
musical theatre, personal trainer, stylist, etc., if you catch my
drift. " - His Supreme Holiness, GSI.
[* No one can say "Jesus is LORD" except...bla bla bla.]"
    @JesusisLord: ""Great Sage Itchy"  wrote in message 
news:250420110826433520%<email_address>
<quote>
Yes, He is.
:-).
Praise the Lord now and forever more.
And I mean it.
Get to know Him; you are given the opportunity like everyone else.
Michael Christ "
    @JesusisLord: "<quote>
Have a little faith, my son.  :-).
There are worse things in the world outside the Bible, is He any less of a 
God??
:-).
Michael Christ"
    @Cajun: "<quote>
Notice you didn't have any real comment on what I said.  It IS true, that 
God, by example in the way the bible presents Him "says".... Do as I say and 
not as I do.  :) "
    @JesusisLord: "<quote>
And I told you, that is not what He told me.
The Lord shows me something and I don't add or take away from it.
Your context is your context.
Michael Christ"
    @trdell1234: "On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 11:56:30 +1000, "Michael Christ"
<quote>
Did the Lord show you I had a tattoo and tell you that I chant the
Nicene Creed?
Be Well
Matt"
    @JesusisLord: "".Matt."  wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 11:56:30 +1000, "Michael Christ"
<quote>
The Lord tells me that the centre of your life is you.
It would not be so bad had you not declared a lie and said that it is Him.
Michael Christ"
    @trdell1234: "On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 17:32:30 +1000, "Michael Christ"
<quote>
So you admit you lied saying I had that tatoo and chanted.
Good that is a start."
    @JesusisLord: "<quote>
I am very well, Very Easy Bowl of Matt Soup.  Praise the Lord.
What has deceitful paraphrasing got to do with me, Very Easy Bowl of Matt 
Soup??
The Bible Summarised in 5 Words..."Do as I tell you".
You don't, Very Easy Bowl of Matt Soup.
The Lord tells me that the centre of your life is you.
It would not be so bad had you not declared a lie and said that it is Him.
Michael Christ "
    @Cajun: "<quote>
But you have no comment on what I have to say.  Why?  Is it always about you 
and what you say or what you claim God tells you which I seriously doubt 
it's nothing but your own mind communicating with itself. "
    @trdell1234: "On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:46:30 +1000, "Michael Christ"
<quote>
Did you not say and claim this
Quote:
When I say something about someone I am 100% sure because the Lord
shows me the truth. 
End Quote
Dod you not say I have a tattoo of the Nicene Creed and that I chant
it??  Yes you did.
So is you claim a lie or did you lie on your accusations.  They both
can't be true.
I can't prove I don'y chant but you can't prove I do.  That I don't
have a tatoo would be easy.  
Be Well
Matt"
    @JesusisLord: "I have told you before, if you say I say something, then quote me, not 
paraphrase me in your sin.  Properly quoting is called things like honesty, 
integrity, righteousness and so on.   Otherwise its snip to your 
antichristism.
Very Easy Bowl of Matt Soup is at the centre of Very Easy Bowl of Matt 
Soup's life, therefore all you do is wrong.  100%.  It is a spiritual thing, 
buddy.
The Bible Summarised in 5 Words..."Do as I tell you".  Until you learn that 
and become a doer of the Word all you do is vanity.  100%.
All you can do is religiously chant bible verses, you cannot walk and speak 
in the Spirit of Truth because you are of this world.  100%.
Michael Christ"
    @JesusisLord: "<quote>
You don't know the Lord.
100%.
That is not my problem, Seekerless (if you truly were a Seeker you would 
know Him).
Your great loss, motor mouth.
Michael Christ"
    @JesusisLord: ""Jude Alexander"  wrote in message news:ip6co8$1cb$<email_address>
<quote>
I said what I said, take it, or, as you prefer, leave it.
If you have something to say, then say it, you don't have to try and add to 
what I say and then expect me give an account at your command.
My context ended where the Lord intended...believe it or not.  Either way, 
that is that.
You have an agenda all of your own that is not of Him, Jude.  The Lord has 
no desire for me to get entangled in it.  Some I do, some I don't.  It all 
depends on His will.
All of you run around doing what is right in your own eyes, I don't have 
that privilege...and I don't want it.  :-).  It is irrelevant whether anyone 
believes me or not.
Michael Christ"
    @Cajun: "<quote>
\
You say things that you think are relevant and they aren't.  For example, 
that I need to be reminded that I'm fallible.  99.9% of the world doesn't 
need to be reminded of that.  Only sociopaths have to be reminded of that. 
You don't like to admit that you're even wrong and missed the mark on the 
simpliest of things like saying something irrelevant or missing the point 
and seeing only your own point.
Oh puleeze, what arrogance which I have always known you're tops in.  It's 
all about you and what you have to say.  That is apparent.  Forget everybody 
else.
Then you're arrogance proceeds with more of the same.  YOU content ended 
where the Lord intended?  If you can't see the arrogance in that, what are 
you capable of???
That's your crappy perspective.  You believe that you're perfectly aligned 
with God which is absolutely impossible.
Crap, crap and more crap. "
    @GSitchy: "<quote>
What a load of arrogant, self-righteous BULLSHIT. 
"Do as I tell you"???   Who is this "I"?
"Until you learn that and become a doer of the Word" - You have NO IDEA
of what "the Word" even means. "
    @trdell1234: "On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 05:33:52 -0700, Great Sage Itchy
<quote>
Good Luck getting a straight answer.  At times looks like Michael
thinks of himself as Christ.  His accusations come directly from God
or so he claims even the lies.
His last name is not Christ.  Does he remind you of someone else  ;-)
He will ask us to say "Michael is lord"  LOL   lord of BS.
Be Well
Matt"
    @JesusisLord: "All I said is true, Very Easy Bowl of Matt Soup, because it comes from the 
Lord.
Simple.
Because you don't approve doesn't make it wrong.  :-).
Michael Christ"
    @JesusisLord: "Okay, have it your way, it is your God given choice, I don't have a problem 
with that.
However, I don't agree with your agenda, it is not of the Lord.
Michael Christ
"Jude Alexander"  wrote in message news:ip8tci$fgh$<email_address>"
    @trdell1234: "On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 07:10:32 +1000, "Michael Christ"
<quote>
I don't have a tatoo.  Sorry your wrong.
I have never chanted the Nicene creed another false claim.
Sorry your false in this."
    @JesusisLord: "You are always trying in your sin, Very Easy Bowl of Matt Soup, to find one 
obscure thing in which to try to condemn.  You cannot condemn those who the 
Lord has made righteous, Very Easy Bowl of Matt Soup, its impossible.  100%.
Any kind of sham imagination will do.  If I was to say that your attitude 
was like drizzle, your next line would be, you said I was a weather pattern, 
therefore you are a liar.  :-).  Its pathetic, really.
You are a drunk female baboon, Very Easy Bowl of Matt Soup.
Drunk in self.
Carry on like a girl.
And a brute beast (2 Peter 2:12) (KJV)
100%
Michael Christ"
    @JesusisLord: "If you don't know the Lord Jesus Christ your whole life is in darkness. 
100%.
You don't know Him so your life is buried in delusion.  100%.
Very simple, but don't expect any of those expert Christians out there to 
tell you.  :-).
Michael Christ
"seeker"  wrote in message news:907cf1e6-fbca-46f8-932f- "
    @trdell1234: "On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 07:44:18 +1000, "Michael Christ"
<quote>
LOL  Your funny Michael.
So that voice in your head told you to call me a "drunk female
baboon"?   Interesting.
That the same voice that told you I had a tattoo of the Nicene Creed
and Chanted it?   
I carry on like a girl?  In what way?    Are you gay?  A Gay nurse?
Matt"
    @duckgumbo32: "On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 21:06:01 +1000, "Michael Christ" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
How about the requirement he stated to repent of our sins, pick up our daily
cross,and follow him if we want to be his disciples.
How about "this IS my Body and Blood.  Unless you eat and drink it, you have no
spiritual life in you". 
Seens like you're pretty lacking in knowing what he said.
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****"
    @duckgumbo32: "On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 09:06:39 -0500, "Jude Alexander" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
No, that's the OT man doing the writing that he thought an unseen God had
revealed.
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****"
    @duckgumbo32: "On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 06:41:07 +1000, "Michael Christ" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
Two crackers talking to one another.
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****"
    @duckgumbo32: "On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:35:20 -0500, "Jude Alexander" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
No, all normal people know he never said "and not as I do".
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****"
    @duckgumbo32: "On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 20:53:12 +1000, "Michael Christ" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
Wise Christians leave it.  We know better than what you said.
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****"
    @duckgumbo32: "On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 07:14:02 +1000, "Michael Christ" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
Neither is yours. mikey.
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****"
    @Cajun: "<quote>
LOL  editorizing the bible, huh?  You and many other have to do this same 
type of lying to keep your beloved ignorance near. "
    @Cajun: "<quote>
That's something you do not KNOW but believe.  People like you have a VERY 
difficult time between belief and knowledge.
I personally believe you're own mind talk generates what you think comes 
from God. Notice I didn't say KNOW.   Listen and learn. "
    @Cajun: "<quote>
Neither is yours, at least not totally.  Michael is too slippery and not 
straightforward.  Neither are you.  You slip slide around issues.  Micheal 
can't/won't admit to even a minor error, neither will you.  In fact, you 2 
have more negatives in common.  Me, I cuss a lot more than you two but I 
don't avoid issues that are uncomfortable to research nor am I spiritually 
arrogant.  I believe that God is all inclusive whereas you two think you're 
a part of the spiritual elite.  Hold one while I keep myself from the gag 
reflex.. "
    @JesusisLord: "On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 07:14:02 +1000, "Michael Christ" 
<email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
You can have your Catholic priest paedophile opinion if you like, Dukester.
Michael Christ"
    @JesusisLord: ""Jude Alexander"  wrote in message news:ipa4n2$5tt$<email_address>
<quote>
No, it is something I know.  :-).
Your agenda is not of the Lord.  Period.  Wrong spirit, y'know.  That is 
something you know too underneath.
That is because you don't.
Believe what you want, you can all believe what you want, it doesn't affect 
me or move me from where I am; never has, never will.  A born again man 
knows who and what He is in Christ Jesus.  He is not a stick on the ocean.
You show any awful lot about where you are in what you say, Jude.
Michael Christ"
    @JesusisLord: ""duke"  wrote in message news:<email_address>
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:35:20 -0500, "Jude Alexander" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
I didn't want to go there.
Michael Christ"
    @Cajun: "<quote>
Because why?  Because, I guess, you don't want to discuss that God hates, 
kills people, tortures people, etc. etc.   OH, I mean according to the 
bible. :) "
    @JesusisLord: ""Jude Alexander"  wrote in message news:ipa5ms$h4r$<email_address>
<quote>
Because it is convoluted not-of-the-Lord Jude opinion.
You only see the nature that is within yourself.
You are not a reliable judge of biblical content...you are an errant 
creature.
You have your own personal fallen agenda.
I know, you don't agree.  :-).  But too bad, it is what I know.
You should have kept it simple like it was suggested.  That is, there is 
more truth in the bible than all of your so called errors; focus on that and 
you will be far better spiritually off.  But...as usual...you know what's 
best.
Michael Christ "
    @Cajun: "<quote>
LOL.  It's a matter of record that, according to the bible, God hates some 
people and the ones that it is claims he hates is no more sinful than the 
one he loves, he is a murderer of innocent and righteous people, makes 
stupid bets with evil and to show that evil entity destroys a man's family 
(no biggy there) and life, as well as a torturer of people.  Numbnuts 
explain away everything by the free will of man but ALL men would turn to 
God if He would reveal Himself but He chooses to hide away and will torture 
people for eternity for "not getting it" in secret way.  So, we should ALL 
live moral lives but the God of the bible doesn't live a morally and God is 
supposed to be all holy with no evil in Him.  Oh, but THAT is according to 
the perception of stone aged men all up until 2,000 years ago.  Yeah, let's 
rely on THAT to think we KNOW God. :)
You think you know things you cannot such as the above.  It's a blanket 
statement (THE NATURE STATEMENT) that usually would apply to most people. 
You're almost like the fake spiritualists who make blanket statements to try 
and "wow" people but it's usually fakery.
Awww, does it think so?  :)  I've studied the bible probably much more than 
you have.  WE ARE ALL ERRANT, asshole.  You think you're gifted with insight 
into other people but AGAIN you just make "safe" blanket statements.
We are all fallen and we all have agenda.  DUH  Again, with the fake 
insight. :)
Read it back to yourself.
Your arrogance is only outweighted by your misstical bullshit which stink to 
high heaven.."
    @JesusisLord: "<quote>
What was that about 'secret'?  I declare what the Lord tells me, no secret, 
buddy.
What you say is wishy washy.
Hearsay.
Furphy.
Flip floppy.
Waffly innuendo.
Other than that, you talk crap.  :-).
I think you would have more in common with Very Easy Bowl of Matt Soup.
Michael Christ "
    @JesusisLord: "Okay, you know what's errantly best, Jude.  Bon appetite
:-).
I don't care what you people say, you are an ignorant self-seeking people. 
I know better than you, and praise the Lord entirely for that.
As you were told, there is more destruction and horrific occurrences outside 
of the Bible (common sense), is He any less God??  Yet, He is altogether 
good regardless of your ignorant nescient juvenile judgements.
You may now continue to denigrate the Bible in your incredible wisdom and 
enormous faultless discernment, while you pretend acknowledgement of your 
errancy, of course.
Michael Christ
"Jude Alexander"  wrote in message news:ipbi7o$vq1$<email_address> "
    @Cajun: "<quote>
Crap, crap and more crap.  OF COURSE, you don't care.  I don't care much 
either about what you say as far as taking it seriously.  I'm going to call 
you on your misstical bullshit, though.
He hates, he murders (not just kills), he torments.  Good guy, completely 
holy so much so that he can't have haters, murders and torments in his 
presence.... well, that is if you believe the bible is the source of 
knowledge of God.
I have COMMON SENSE. I'm smart as well but it doesn't take a high IQ to 
figure out the bible is NOT the "Word of God."  Unfortunately, it's not 
about brain power with sheeple.  You just another sheeple, only with a kind 
of misstical senselessness added to it. "
    @JesusisLord: "<quote>
No, He is the source of Himself, all you do is see a shadow of who He is in 
the Bible.
He is so much more.
No Jude, you are thick.
Because you can't understand anything of the Spirit in your 'high IQ', along 
with so many others, that doesn't make it mystical.  It just shows you don't 
know God.
Like you were told, you may continue to denigrate the Bible in your 
incredible self proclaimed high IQ and common sense while you pretend and 
feign a true acknowledgement of your errancy, and after a little while you 
will find out just how much of a true genius you are.
Nothing mystical about those comments, it just doesn't glorify you, and that 
is really your problem.
Michael Christ"
    @JesusisLord: "<quote>
No Seeker, your words are fiction.
Such incredible understanding and wisdom to be able to sweep the Bible 
aside.  :-).
Yeah, right.
Your ignorant statement is direct and stands alone.
Still, here you go 'ape man'...the whole lot is a load of Seeker 'genius'...
news:<email_address>
Incredibly ignorant tunnel vision that is engorged in the glory of your own 
thoughts.
Michael Christ"
    @JesusisLord: ""seeker"  wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
What are you going to do next?  Deny you wrote this above.  :-).
You have the info, go to the thread and check it out.
Despite all you have been saying on these newsgroups, if there has been a 
muck up and it is wasn't you, I shall perform that which is perfect and 
apologise.  No problem.  :-).  It has been known to happen from time to time 
knowing the nature of these exchanges and interactions.
Regardless though, you are still a motor mouth who hasn't got a clue about 
the Lord.  That will never change until you change, rather, more perfectly, 
you allow yourself to be changed.
Michael Christ
Michael Christ "
    @JesusisLord: "<quote>
You only know what a mistake is based on your own reasoning.  When Eve took 
that fruit in the Garden and did eat, was it a mistake or wasn't it.  Maybe 
a mistake for Eve, but for God, no mistake.
Nothing is a mistake in Christ.
Nope.
He doesn't tell me everything.
His thoughts and ways go beyond our ability to comprehend, even though He 
shares with us what we need.
Australia Seeker (I'll believe you) came along at the perfect moment to 
create the circumstance God required, for now and for the future.
To me at the time a Seeker is a Seeker is a Seeker.  Australia Seeker did 
say those things and I responded truthfully to them...nothing outlandish. 
To me Australia Seeker is a fool, but then so is California Seeker.
The Lord doesn't tell me false things, and I never accuse, that is your 
spirit.  I simply speak the truth.  Australia Seeker is what was said about 
him, as is saying that you have settled for your own thoughts is true of 
you.
True.
Now, since you say I have attributed Australia Seeker's words to you 
(California Seeker), I apologise.  But to change what has happened if I 
could, I would not because the Lord Jesus Christ knows what He is doing. 
:-).  Always, and praise Him for it.
They thought Jesus had come to set up His kingdom in Jerusalem and kick the 
Roman rule out and give the promised land back to the Jewish people.  No, 
something else, He arrived on a donkey and gave his life on a cross.  Not 
the anticipated outcome...so it is with the ways of God.
Gods ways are higher than our ways, His thoughts higher than our ways, hence 
the vanity of men who think they can think for themselves.   I am really a 
simple person who knows nothing save the will of God in my life.  My life is 
not bound by what binds your life...logic.  The different is that your logic 
fails you, but the Lord never fails.  Praise the Lord now and forever more.
You should be Australia Seeker more often.  :-).
Michael Christ"
    @duckgumbo32: "On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:21:07 -0500, "Jude Alexander" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
Oh, I don't.  What you call slipping, I know you are lacking in knowledge.
Mikey says nothing. 
And you also don't know what is in the bible.
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****"
    @duckgumbo32: "On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:15:38 -0500, "Jude Alexander" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
Then tell me what the OT is.  Where did it come from?  How put pencil to paper?
No man has ever seen God.  So where does the OT come from?
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****"
    @duckgumbo32: "On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:21:42 +1000, "Michael Christ" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
Yet he can go to confession and clear his slate with God.  You refuse to follow
suit - rejecting the sacrament of reconciliation the way you do.
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****"
    @JesusisLord: ""duke"  wrote in message news:<email_address>
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:21:42 +1000, "Michael Christ" 
<email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
Yet he can go to confession and clear his slate with God.  You refuse to 
follow
suit - rejecting the sacrament of reconciliation the way you do.
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
***** "
    @JesusisLord: "The Lord Jesus Christ and His Church is not a whore.
Michael Christ
"duke"  wrote in message news:<email_address>"
    @duckgumbo32: "On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:33:03 +1000, "Michael Christ" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
Which is why your Christian beliefs are highly suspect.  Because he specifically
said that if you don't, you can't be his disciple.
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****"
    @duckgumbo32: "On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:35:17 -0500, "Jude Alexander" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
Not a chance of that being true.  But early man did think that his way was God's
way.  Until God's son showed up to straighten out the record.
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****"
    @Cajun: "<quote>
He says nothing worth taking seriously.  Most of what he says is a blanket 
statement that would be true for most people.  He likes to couch his saying 
in misstical aura but the only thing that misted up are my eyeballs.
Crap, crap and more crap.  I've read the bible fully 3 times (front to 
cover), 4 more times (front to cover but skipping the begats, lists of items 
and people) and then there are parts of the bible I've read 10s of 1,000s of 
times, others I've read beyond the initial 7 perhaps as low 0-100s of times. 
In the reading, I was going slowly and taking much time to look up a lot of 
what I was reading.  I'm far from any biblical scholar but I know the bible 
as well as any non-scholar.
Psssst, arf arf arf arf arf arf arf meow arf arf arf arf arf arf arf"
    @Cajun: "<quote>
If you followed the bible, you would know that priest/parishioner confession 
does NOT follow the biblical mandate.  DUH  It SEZ, Pukster, that we would 
confess our sins, one to another, from one believe to another, not in some 
power-grumbing church structure."
    @duckgumbo32: "On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 08:49:10 -0500, "Jude Alexander" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
He definitely does not know what Jesus said.
But you still don't understand what it says.  Psssst, arf arf arf arf arf arf
arf meow arf arf arf arf arf arf arf
Heeheehee.
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****"
    @duckgumbo32: "On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 08:50:40 -0500, "Jude Alexander" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
To hell you say.  It's one of the sacraments given to us by Jesus.  The
participation by us in acts that Jesus identified as pleasing to God and hence
affords us an increase in sanctifying grace of God.  
It's clear just as I told you - all those verses you've read a thousand times
still hasn't shown you what Jesus taught.
Cool, that's a sin confession of one man to another based on what one man did to
the other.
But you wouldn't dare approach a man you sinned against and tell him.  That's
your fallacy.
But Jesus gave us another way to be reconciled to God.  John 20:22-23.  All
those times you read the bible and you didn't see it.
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****"
    @duckgumbo32: "On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:33:03 +1000, "Michael Christ" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
But you believe it none the less.
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****"
    @Cajun: "<quote>
You're not the least funny or creative.  Ironic ain't it that it's YOU who 
doesn't understand the bible and you just follow whatever some 
power-grumbing religion tells you.  The catholic church HAS been proven 
wrong in some of it's interpretation.  I'm not saying it's any more wrong 
than protestants but it's no better either.
I challenge you to a bible quiz, smartass.  choose anybody that doesn't like 
either one of us and have him present biblical questions as well as name a 
particular time that he will ask the question.  We both have to acknowledge 
we're on line and the question is not asked until we're both on line and 
let's see.... :)"
    @Cajun: "<quote>
No, it is not what was meant.  Show biblical text and prove your position. 
DUH
I've seen it, dimwit.  Try as you may, though, you can't prove in ANY WAY 
that the only people that can forgive others theirs sins is apostles. 
Another unprovable point is that priest or ministers are actually and truly 
spiritual inheritors of apostleship.  :)  I, for one KNOW that they are not. 
Trying to justify that priests or ministers are the only people who can 
forgive sins by this verse is laughable.  Why?  Because the bible says 
elsewhere that God can only forgive sins.  So, what is it?  I can only 
"clear the slate with God" by going to a priest or minister?  I can't 
confess my sins to God and they be forgiven?  This religion is a freaking 
joke.  At every turn there is a contradiction, a situation where there is, 
minially, a conflict ESPECIALLY when one gets different religions 
interpreting the same passage differently and coming up with lame reasoning 
to try and clear the conflict.
Prove your point that the ONLY time we are told to confess our sins to ONE 
ANOTHER is only in relationship to somebody we have personally wounded in 
some way.  You're so off the truth, it's IS laughable!!!!  Come on, this is 
going to be fun!
James 5:16
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be 
healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
A little tangent.  Some parts of the bible claim no man is righteous and 
then you have other parts of the bible saying this or that makes a righteous 
man.  Lot was called a righteous man who f'ded his two daughters KNOWING 
that the world wasn't ending.  They had just come from a city that 
supposedly God said he wasn't going to destroy.  The bible is a laughable 
piece of junk to ANYBODY who really studies it with an open mind.  THAT'S 
the key words..... OPEN MIND.  By definition, "religious" people are closed 
minded.  They already believe they have ALL the answers and that they alone 
have interpreted the bible correct.  It never ends.
Now, now, Pukster, don't cry.  You'll find some way to continue in your 
ignorance...."
    @JesusisLord: "Jude wrote to Dukester:
<quote>
Can I help??  :-).  Let's see, something simple enough, and one that you 
have the time to consider before you answer.
Post God's judgement on the Serpent, Adam and Eve, God did this...
Gen 3:21  Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of 
skins, and clothed them.
...what do you think it means??
Michael Christ"
    @JesusisLord: ""duke"  wrote in message news:<email_address>
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:33:03 +1000, "Michael Christ" 
<email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
You are out of context.
Michael Christ"
    @JesusisLord: "<quote>
Jesus never said, "and not as I do", that is why I didn't want to go there 
and argue about it in vanity.
Is that okay with you?
The original post was it, not added to or taken away from.  Period.
Michael Christ"
    @Cajun: "<quote>
I thought you were talking about God, not Jesus.  AND, I NEVER meant that 
God actually said those exact 5 words. DUH  God, according to bible myth, 
never said YOUR 5 words exactly either.
What a laugh, though, that you didn't "want to go there" BECAUSE of vain 
arguments!  If you can't see the irony in that... what can I say? "
    @Cajun: "<quote>
Did you even read what I wrote, jerkwad?  BEFORE you ask the question, you 
have to make sure that we're both on line and ready to hear the question AT 
THE SAME TIME (to prevent cheating).  DUH
Plus, you idiot, you asked TWO questions.  One question at a time.
Now, try and start again and start it on a new thread.
Last, DO NOT ask a STUPID questions like what does it mean that God makes 
coats of skin for Adam and Eve.
Perhaps, you're not up to the task. "
    @duckgumbo32: "On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:38:35 -0500, "Jude Alexander" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
What power grumbing, whatever that means?
Same 1 or 2.
You see what you want to see.  I see what it says.  
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****"
    @duckgumbo32: "<quote>
He isn't.
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****"
    @duckgumbo32: "On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 13:01:06 -0500, "Jude Alexander" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
Ducked that one, didn't you.
1.  He put them in charge of sin forgiveness on earth to be so in heaven.
2.  Jesus well said that the son of man has the authority to forgive sin.
3.  The Priest hears confession on behalf of the "one Body of Christ".
1 Corinthians 12:12-15 (New International Version, �2011)
Unity and Diversity in the Body
 12 Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one
body, so it is with Christ. 13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to
form one body�whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free�and we were all given the
one Spirit to drink. 14 Even so the body is not made up of one part but of many.
15 Now if the foot should say, �Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the
body,� it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. 
.....
 27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28 And
God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third
teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of
different kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all
teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in
tongues[b]? Do all interpret? 
Holy Orders - Acts 13:1-3 & 14:23, John 20:22, 1 & 2 Tim 
Then you stand alone.
But it also says that he can assign others to do it for him.  After all, in
baptism, original sin is removed, and man does that.
Your goose is cooked already.
It's a tangent off in left field somewhere.
Pardon my laughter.
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****"
    @duckgumbo32: "On Sun, 1 May 2011 10:06:41 +1000, "Michael Christ" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
Did he lie with those very words?
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****"
    @duckgumbo32: "<quote>
Heeheehee.
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****"
    @Cajun: "<quote>
Isn't this the 3rd time we've been in agreement? :O  He can't even follow 
simple instruction or realize WHY the instructions. "
    @Cajun: "<quote>
There you go.  You believe you have special insight.  THAT is the height of 
spiritual arrogance, of which I NO DOUBT have believed of you since I first 
met you.  Same is true for many others.
I approach the bible FULLY open minded.  If something is true in it, I have 
NO problem with that.  Vice versa, same no problem.  The same cannot be said 
of you.  You are closed minded PERIOD "
    @Cajun: "<quote>
You just cut and clipped the former posts so bad, one cannot keep up with it 
PLUS you just responded to yourself above!  LOL  :)"
    @Cajun: "<quote>
Hey, makes the 4th time we've been in agreement.  Most likely, over half of 
the debates on any newsgroup is done in vain/useless."
    @JesusisLord: "Knew you were not up to it, Jude Alexander.
Can't even do a simple thing without excuses and ranting and raving.
Michael Christ"
    @JesusisLord: ""duke"  wrote in message news:<email_address>
On Sun, 1 May 2011 08:15:31 -0500, "Jude Alexander" <email_address> 
wrote:
<quote>
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
Why don't you pray to the dead Pope John Paul for a miracle??
You Catholics are unbelievable fools, taken in by fantasy.
Michael Christ "
    @JesusisLord: ""duke"  wrote in message news:<email_address>
On Sun, 1 May 2011 10:06:41 +1000, "Michael Christ" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
If you discuss apples you discuss apples, if oranges oranges.
An apple is not an orange.
Too deep??
Michael Christ"
    @JesusisLord: "Where the rubber meets the road Jude Alexander is not to be found, you've 
shown that very clearly.
So not particularly interested in suffering your 'skank' spirit for no good 
reason.
Off you go, no longer interested.
You are better suited to agreeing with Catholic Dukester delusions.
Maybe you could get the dead Pope John Paul to help you out, apparently he's 
into curing Parkinson's disease and they are waiting on another 'miracle'. 
You need a miracle to help you not to be so damn thick.
Michael Christ"
    @duckgumbo32: "On Mon, 2 May 2011 19:19:39 +1000, "Michael Christ" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
He's dead.
You've never heard of the Holy Spirit, have you?
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****"
    @duckgumbo32: "<quote>
I just denied that.  Seeing "what it says" does not take insight.  Insight,
especially false insight, takes reasoning out a meaning other than what it says.
I'll stay on my side.
Not is you read into it something which it doesn't say.
Yet I'm the one that sees what it says, and not what I want it to say.
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****"
    @duckgumbo32: "<quote>
There was nothing in the former posts from you to keep.  
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****"
    @duckgumbo32: "On Mon, 2 May 2011 19:46:19 +1000, "Michael Christ" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
You're ducking the comment, aren't you.
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****"
    @JesusisLord: "So the dead Pope John Paul cures nuns from Parkinson's disease when he is 
dead does he??
Now that's a heeheehee.
You people believe in fantasy no matter how many bible verses you quote.
Michael Christ
"duke"  wrote in message news:<email_address>"
    @JesusisLord: "You are not the judge.
You are deluded.
Michael Christ
"duke"  wrote in message news:<email_address>"
    @duckgumbo32: "On Tue, 3 May 2011 06:43:34 +1000, "Michael Christ" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
I'm not the one that believes a dead JPII cured a nun of a disease.   It sounds
like you do.
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****"
    @JesusisLord: "On Tue, 3 May 2011 06:43:34 +1000, "Michael Christ" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
Parkinson's disease...
Your Catholic church, your present Pope, absurdly believes and proclaims. 
Madness.
Your church.
Fantasy and delusion.  Only the tip of the iceberg.
Michael Christ"
    @JesusisLord: "Surely you know your church don't you.  Y'know the one that has 
****priests**** that decide to forgive sins while they interfere with 
children's sexual organs while they pray to dead saints for blessings.
You are a blind fool, Dukester.
Michael Christ
"duke"  wrote in message news:<email_address>"
    @duckgumbo32: "On Tue, 3 May 2011 08:43:47 +1000, "Michael Christ" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
Yet my Church does not proclaim a dead Pope cured a nun of a disease.
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****"
    @JesusisLord: ""duke"  wrote in message news:<email_address>
On Tue, 3 May 2011 08:43:47 +1000, "Michael Christ" <email_address>
wrote:
<quote>
Your dead Pope is asleep, and not capable of curing anyone!!
That's the reality that clashes with the Catholic organisation's fantasy.
Its no wonder you seek to blur the lines.
Michael Christ "
    @JesusisLord: ""Misanthropic Curmudgeon"  wrote in message 
news:<email_address>
<quote>
Yes, that's right.
But you have the choice of following after your own stupidity and 
foolishness in the vain pursuit of trying to find purpose in life in your 
own glory.
I am not going to lose any sleep over your rebellious and disobedient choice 
in life though.
Sorry about that.
Michael Christ "
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