@CaptainStu7954 (Poky Art84992436) posted a new topic, subject "Best Throttle For A Small Space". It read:

   So my space is limited but I'd really like to get a stand-alone throttle for MSFS. I'm really interested in the Logitech throttles but I've read about them sometimes being quite shaky in their readings. I've also thought about the honeycomb throttles but I'd have to rearrange my space quite a bit and they're 400 Canadian dollars and I've read about questionable quality in the honeycomb throttles.  
    I'd love to hear from people in the community how they like the Logitech throttles or the honeycomb throttles.  
    Thanks so much all.

@Hester40MT (Erik) replied

    Topic moved into Community Support > Hardware and Peripherals

Then @PlumbGlue67 (Plumb Glue67) said

    VKB GNX THQ (Throttle Quadrant).  
    Dimensions are 15 × 26 × 12 cm  
    Available in vertical or horizontal (tabletop) format.  
    https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=gnx-thq-v-throttle-quadrant-extension-module-xxxx  
    https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-gnx-thq-throttle-quadrant-extension-module  
    If you don't have another VKB device, to connect it in USB directly to the PC you'll need to add the GNX USB Controller.  
    https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=gnx-thq-usb-controller  
    Without shipping cost it'll be about US$ 90 for a very nice quality device.  
    No problems of shaking pots.  
    Short or long levers with three height positions on each.  
    Differents heads.  
    Adjustable travel resistance with a great feeling.  
    No detent, but eight buttons well placed under thumb.  
    No pre-binded profile, you can bind and set it as you prefer.  
    I really love mine.
    
    If needed they also have a Multi-Functional Holder at $20, but I made it by myself with a metal plate and some screws.  
    https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=gnx-mfh-multi-function-holder

Then @PANTSZER (Pantszer) said

    PlumbGlue67:
    
    > Dimensions are 15 × 26 × 12 cm
    
    The base is more like 14cm wide and 9,5 cm deep (12cm is probably including the levers or something?).
    
    It's a good suggestion (I have one too, attached to my omni-throttle which itself is bolted on a clamped mount), however one thing I wonder is table stability. These things are primarily intended to be used in set or attached next to a GNX, would just a single unit maintain acceptable table stability? (I'm not going to test on mine since I don't want to attach the rubber pads.) At least in my case the clutch damper is still giving rather stiff resistance with the screw loosened all the way, at least on the short levers.
    
    PlumbGlue67:
    
    > No problems of shaking pots.
    
    I figured I'd add on this since I initially thought they'd have MArS sensors, but they do have pots (500,000 cycle ones) on the axes. No jitter though, at least not yet but that might change down the line (though VKB might send you replacement pots if you ask them).

So @TestPilotDan (Danno) replied

    I have twin Logitech throttles. 2 years now. Never had an issue. They don't ‘feel' as solid as some other brands but the price is far less too.

So @maatz86 (maatz) replied

    You can also check out this producer on Etsy: GearFalconSim - Etsy

@neilhewitt (Neil Hewitt) replied

    I have multiple throttle systems depending on what I'm flying, but for pistons / turboprops I use the VirtualFly TQ6 ( Flight Sim Throttle Quadrant - TQ6 | Virtual Fly (virtual-fly.com).
    
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    It's not huge, certainly compared to the honeycomb etc, it comes with a desktop mounting bracket, or you can bolt it down to another surface via four machine screw holes in the base. The action is really smooth, hall effect sensors so you don't get the wobbliness of potentiometers, the lever tension is adjustable, and it's all metal, so no wearing it out in a year. It has a detent area for each lever and (IIRC, I don't have the sim open right now) there's a button-press event when you enter the detent.
    
    There are no ‘other' controls like you have on the honeycomb, no extra buttons etc, it's just a throttle quadrant and that's it; but it works great for that. When I'm flying jets I have a Throttletek throttle quadrant, but you could fly jets with the TQ6 - just re-purpose the levers.
    
    It's not cheap, but I expect mine to last me 10 years easily, so I consider it a long-term expense.
    
    (FWIW I also had two of the Saitek / Logitech throttle quadrants and they are shaky; the decoder boards do damp down the potentiometer noise quite a lot, I had to wire the pots directly to a Bodnar card at one point and they were so noisy they were unusable, but it doesn't smooth things out so all levers are completely matched in each range. I wouldn't go for them again.)

After which, @PlumbGlue67 (Plumb Glue67) added

    Dimensions are the ones on their website, and yes 12cm is the height with levers and heads.  
    For stability, I didn't try with quadrant as is on my desk. Effectively with levers resistance I'm sure it will move. But on bottom side you have screw holes you can use.  
    I used a much more simple way. Srong double side tape to attach it on a metal plate. This plate is simply screwed on my desk, but there are many other ways to do this i.e. clamps or another piece of double side tape.
    
    He said he wants a not too big quadrant at a fair price.  
    I really think this one is the best price/quality ratio and value for money.

@PlumbGlue67 (Plumb Glue67) replied

    neilhewitt:
    
    > I have multiple throttle systems depending on what I'm flying, but for pistons / turboprops I use the VirtualFly TQ6
    
    It looks very nice and comes with Hall effect sensors, but I'm not sure it's in CaptainStu price range

Then @PANTSZER (Pantszer) said

    PlumbGlue67:
    
    > Dimensions are the ones on their website, and yes 12cm is the height with levers and heads.  
    >  For stability, I didn't try with quadrant as is on my desk. Effectively with levers resistance I'm sure it will move. But on bottom side you have screw holes you can use.
    
    Yeah I know you took them from the website, they are just odd. They are too much even for the product package. This is much better:
    
    GNX Module Dimensions805×741 53.5 KB

@PlumbGlue67 (Plumb Glue67) replied

    OK, thanks for the drawing.

So @neilhewitt (Neil Hewitt) replied

    Yeah, I assumed as much given the comment about 400 Canadian dollars, but I figured a long-term investment may justify the pricing. It did for me.

After which, @PANTSZER (Pantszer) added

    For what's it worth Fulcrum is also working on equivalent, and just like their yoke it's going to be significantly cheaper than Virtual Fly's: Fulcrum One Throttle – Coming Soon – Fulcrum Sim

To which @MagicQuasar1176 (Grahame Bell) replied

    Another vote for the VKB THQ here. It's very small, and if you wanted to use it as a stand-alone it could fit in anywhere. As part of a mounted set, or even better when linked up to a VKB Gladiator it's very manageable and cost effective.  
    I have mine linked to a Gladiator NXT Evo with the Side Extension module (flaps, gear + many buttons) and the FSM-GA autopilot panel also linked-up, and the whole thing is barely any larger than my old Thrustmaster HOTAS X.

So @neilhewitt (Neil Hewitt) replied

    Looks good, and I certainly like to support UK businesses, being from the UK myself. I would like to see a final production unit to compare it to the TQ6, but their production yoke looks good - though I think the buttons look clunky.
    
    I bought my TQ6 from Aerosoft and it shipped from Germany but did not attract import duty, so it cost me around £600 (including shipping), which is considerably cheaper than you can buy it for directly from a UK supplier. By contrast, with UK VAT the Fulcrum TQ would be £420 plus the shipping cost which I'd estimate would be maybe £20, so let's say £440-450. If it's as good quality as the VirtualFly unit then it will be better value for sure.

@PlumbGlue67 (Plumb Glue67) replied

    I measured the width with the two standard sides:  
    14.4cm  
    Depth is 9.6cm  
    Height depends on levers used and their position in height.  
    Mines are at 9cm and max height is 12cm.  
    
    
    vkb thq size 01805×741 64.6 KB
    
    Last but not least, on vkb forum there is a very friendly Canadian moderator (username fallout9) who knows everything about their products.
    
    Now we just have to wait for CaptainStu thoughts…

So @hendis55 (Henrik Dissing Andersen) replied

    I have Honeycomb Alpha + Bravo set, and have no complaints whatsoever when it comes to build quality. I think they're excellent value for money.
    
    To unleash the full potential of the Bravo, however, I suggest SPAD.neXt or one of its competitors.

So @SaucierPen464 (Marcus Perry) replied

    I am happy with my Honeycomb Bravo. Yes, it is big. But the customisability with different levers alone (plus the addons you can find on Etzy) and the fact that the unit has dedicated autopilot controls, some more switches and a trim wheel is worth it.

So @CaptainStu7954 (Poky Art84992436) replied

    Hey there plumbglue67. Thanks for the reply. The VKB throttle system looks nice but is there any way to mount it to the desk ? That seems to be a major complaint of the throttle system on it's own.  
    How long have you had it ?  
    The navigation controls look really nice.  
    Thanks you so much for your input.

So @CaptainStu7954 (Poky Art84992436) replied

    Any pictures of how you mounted your vkb to your desk would be appreciated.

So @PlumbGlue67 (Plumb Glue67) replied

    CaptainStu7954:
    
    > The VKB throttle system looks nice but is there any way to mount it to the desk ?
    
    If you can't do it by yourself, as said in my first post you can use this:  
    https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=gnx-mfh-multi-function-holder  
    It greatly depends on how you need to use it. If it can stay on your desk, a simple piece of double sided tape will be enough.  
    If you need to clear your desk between two simming sessions, you'll need to think about it, i.e. clamps to attach the holder to the desk. But it will be the same with another quadrant.  
    I have had it for a year now with full satisfaction.  
    I will send you a picture tomorrow, but I'm not sure you'll see a lot as I also have differents devices attached together.

After which, @marcandrebro added

    I use a Thrustmaster Airbus Throttle that's small. It's narrow enough to fit between my mouse and keyboard. Quality is ok and it doesn't cost much.

Then @PlumbGlue67 (Plumb Glue67) said

    Only two levers.  
    Ok for an Airbus, but how do you manage throttle, propeller and mixture with a piston or turbo prop engine ?

After which, @PANTSZER (Pantszer) added

    CaptainStu7954:
    
    > Hey there plumbglue67. Thanks for the reply. The VKB throttle system looks nice but is there any way to mount it to the desk ? That seems to be a major complaint of the throttle system on it's own.
    
    Those 4 M3 screw holes you can see in the recesses in the bottom drawing posted earlier are what are intended for bolting it down (60,5mm spacing in width, 43mm spacing in depth). Beyond that it comes with 4 attachable anti-slip pads that go into the corners. Honestly, you might not even have problems just having it on the table with the pads if you are say just using three long levers with the adjustable damper loosened all the way (in which case the levers are light enough to be easily moved around with little finger pressure, it's perfectly usable and they don't become floppy or anything) but it would restrict your options.
    
    You could also use velcro, but that would require attaching it on the table as well. Getting extra modules like a SEM next to it or the MFH would increase the stability, but then it wouldn't be compact throttle anymore.


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