@aydendev posted a new topic, subject "Intel cuts $300m in jobs, research, education and talent… to fund fashionable feminist nonsense". It read:

   www.breitbart.com
    
    ### Intel Cuts $300m In Spending To Fund Feminist Frequ...
    
    A pressing dilemma is troubling the budget departments of Intel, the chip and microprocessor giant.
    
    What are your guys thoughts on this article?

@Streetguru replied

    I don't get the point of spending all this time and effort trying to force diversity when it just leaves people in the "privileged majority" out of it. Most of whom are just as in need as the minorities getting all the help.
    
    Also in general I don't see feminist frequency being based in fact very much, just baised views and opinion, probably not something a major company should be supporting, if only they'd support feminists working to change culture in the middle east and africa rather than people complaining about things online raking in money shall I say, playing the victim. She gets this large platform yet spends most of her time talking about how she's been harassed by internet trolls. 
    
    Or better yet they simply stick to supporting all children in stem and people in impoverished countries who are literally dying daily due to their living conditions.

So @Ceratosaurus replied

    The article makes me sad. Gamers should buy AMD (says the guy with an Intel processor, sigh).

Then @aLilBabyOtter said

    Well I guess I'm buying AMD from now on.
    
    I'm all for female equality, but the popular feminist movement is just becoming a bunch of whiny, selfish bitches who think that there's some male supremacy agenda behind everything that they don't like.

Then @KuramaKitsune said

    BOOO  
    bad intel  
    BOOO

Then @offroadslayer88 said

    Hey newly unemployed Intel employees, I know where you may get a job ;)  
    
    
      
    AMD!!!

After which, @HEXcellerate added

    Good fucking job, Intel.

After which, @Grim_Reaper added

    How many feminists does it take to change a lightbulb?  
    4,613.
    
    4,612 to blog about how threaded aluminum sockets are a phallic object and a product of patriarchy for the sole purpose to reinforce rape culture. And 1 to change the lightbulb.

Then @MrChumps said

    insert facepalm gif here

To which @HEXcellerate replied

    Not a .gif, but I think this might cut it:
    
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After which, @FaunCB added

    I have said this on other posts and I feel it applies everywhere to anything and anyone, who gives a flying rats ass? A bunch of psycho's running around and yelling at people shouldn't be funded from job loss. More or less some of them should probably be arrested.
    
    This is one of the reasons I don't like intel :| They do a lot of stupid bullshit without thinking ahead.

After which, @Filekutter added

    That was one of the more vile pieces of "news" I've read in a while.   
    " Anita Sarkeesian can pocket cash to bleat.." Calling her a cow isn't professional. This guy must love Faux news.  
    " Intel is lavishing attention on divisive figures like cultural critics Anita Sarkeesian and Jonathan McIntosh, the latter of which is an Israel-hating far-leftist. A bizarre choice for a chip company with such deep roots in Israel." Ahhh the religion card now.... sorry, is there a Universal rule saying Israel is immune to be caught out for its human rights violations?  
    " Intel decided to support the radical authoritarian left." Right.... cos when I think authoritarian I always think ... The Left. Name calling as "intelligent analysis" is just bullying.  
    ".... Intel pledged “diversity” efforts, including the widely derided Feminist Frequency, just a few months ago." Diversity is bad? And besides pundits who is deriding FF and why? Is there something morally wrong with attempting to correct the imbalances rampant in American corporate culture? And if so... why do any of you think women should be treated and paid as second class citizens?   
    there... enough...   
    anyway, that article isn't news IMHO and in fact is a vile piece of very slanted slander and lies... period.   
    Thank you for your attention... and up the ass of the ruling class !

To which @aydendev replied

    Are you a feminist?

After which, @aydendev added

    Filekutter:
    
    > omething morally wrong with attempting to correct the imbalances rampant in American corporate culture
    
    yes, what Intel is doing is wrong

To which @anon54242466 replied

    Ehhhh, Brietbart the conservative answer to the Huffington Post. Both are worthless news sources.
    
    So Intel is doing restructuring? Not surprising since desktop sales are down. And no, the entire 300 million isn't going to feminist causes. That would be corporate suicide.
    
    I do wish people would stop feeding Anita. If you ignore her she will go away.
    
    @Filekutter   
    Forced equality isn't equality. Females are simply less likely to get into STEM/skill labor jobs. That isn't a corporate problem but an education one. Also if women get paid so much less why do companies hire men at all? It would make more business sense to hire only females if that were true.

To which @aydendev replied

    Quixotic_Autocrat:
    
    > If you ignore her she will go away.
    
    Wrong

To which @anon54242466 replied

    If trolls would stop watching her YouTube channel to complain. Then, she would just run out of money. 
    
    Megaphones don't work on deaf ears. She would get bored and get a real job

To which @aydendev replied

    Quixotic_Autocrat:
    
    > she would just run out of money.
    
    she got most her money from kickstarter

So @anon54242466 replied

    Dosent take long to chew through that when you are running at a loss. $160,000 is only a few years of living.

@HEXcellerate replied

    Quixotic_Autocrat:
    
    > Ehhhh, Brietbart the conservative answer to the Huffington Post. Both are worthless news sources.
    
    This.

To which @Streetguru replied

    In some other tech/"diversity" news
    
    http://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward?AWD_ID=1253465&HistoricalAwards=false
    
    https://www.nsf.gov/funding/pgm_summ.jsp?pims_id=5383
    
    since it's government related tax money is being spent on that right? I didn't know technology was sexist.

@Filekutter replied

    Corporate culture is misogynist, and this is gender bias. That, should be and is being challenged. Men are hired because of that gender mindset... a prehistoric, male-centric, and ugly truism. All corporations should be challenged to change their corporate culture and their practices if for nothing else, than to keep the populace from deciding that maybe their products are not as necessary as making a point and possibly hurting the price point and making the investors nervous. Money is all that talks when the investors wake up... so, use their fear of losing money to make change.   
    If changing corporate culture is a forced action, tha's fine with me. I'm still waiting to see the natural guard get sent to Mississippi and Alabama to make sure gay people can get married. That is force and force I would support.

Then @Filekutter said

    I"m way beyond just Feminist. I actually want to see national boundaries erased. I want to see religion kicked off its high heels and back into the private houses where it belongs and should stay. I think every human being deserves a roof, food, and security... no matter their situation. I also believe people who need guns are wimps who don't have any idea what violence is and/or how to react to other people they don't know by using vocal chords and brain cells. But, that's me.

So @Doctor_Rodney_McKay replied

    My thoughts on that article:
    
      1. It's probably all untrue. I don't read right-wing extremist sites so I have not and will not read that, and even if you agree with an opinion piece on breitbart.com I don't see why you would link to that and not to the straight news story or press release from Intel, unless there is no such factual source because your story is pure made-up right wing hogwash.
    
      2. In any case, I can say that I disagree with the opinion expressed many times here, that spending any money on something "feminist" instead of "jobs, research, education and talent" is necessarily wrong.
    
    
    
    
    It's not a problem if Intel backs off on research spending because (1) they have such a large lead over their next competitor in CPUs (AMD) that further research in that, their primary business, amounts to overkill (2) their manufacturing process is quickly closing in on the single-atom limit; 53nm is only 100x the Bohr radius, but the Bohr radius refers to a hydrogen atom and semiconductor atoms are much larger, and Intel is down to about 1/3 of 53nm. 
    
    As a species we have a lot more ground to catch up in the realm of equitable treatment of social and political out-groups than we have in semiconductor technology, in which we really are within sight of the end of the road anyway, even if Intel spends all its money on research. The law of diminishing marginal returns indicates more spending on "fashionable feminist nonsense" and no more on smaller microprocessor manufacturing processes than has already been spent.

So @Streetguru replied

    Filekutter:
    
    > Corporate culture is misogynist, and this is gender bias. That, should be and is being challenged. Men are hired because of that gender mindset... a prehistoric, male-centric, and ugly truism.
    
    Are you sure it isn't that way simple because there happen to be more young men than young women are going into the STEM fields in high school/college making more qualified men than women vying for those jobs? I'd imagine this is due to a cultural view in america that doesn't push women towards STEM classes in college.
    
    I highly doubt there's a larger conspiracy at work keeping women out of STEM jobs. 
    
    Really I'd hope that money is going to educating young people and showing them more of what STEM can offer than what is currently done in junior highs/high schools, at least when I went to school a few years ago. I don't think they've directly said where that money is going.

@anon54242466 replied

    That is what I am saying I work in the industrial sector and have helped in the hiring process. The companies I have worked for would love to have female techs and engineers. They are just super scarce.
    
    It really is an educational problem. Generally women have greater retention rates making them more valuable. I am not sure what STEM programs would have to do to get female student in the those programs. You can't force them.

After which, @anon54242466 added

    We CIS males totally sit around with cigars and scotch thinking of ways to screw females....
    
    Except we don't. Actually there are way more complaints that the industrial and tech industries want way more women employee but can't find them. Chicken vs egg issue I guess.
    
    Despite what Mother Jones has to say, there isnt some great conspiracy against women.

So @weare138 replied

    everyone's a person female or male, also who cares?

So @WhiskeyRanger replied

    Breitbart? Holy lord. That site is a pretty nasty propaganda mill. I wouldn't trust anything read there. Actually, I wouldn't read anything there at all lol. Some of the things they say might be true, but they will omit details and twist facts to fit a pre-determined narrative. Avoid like the plague, unless you are using ad-block and just want a laugh.

So @Streetguru replied

    There's some of them on both sides, but I gotta find the other article that also stated they were cutting employee pay and some other things
    
    www.informationweek.com
    
    ### Intel's $300 Million Diversity Plan Looks Impossibl...
    
    Intel's goal of having a culturally representative workforce in place by 2020 is laudable. But given the challenges that must be overcome, it seems unlikely.
    
    "We know some women exit STEM for family reasons. Something as simple as   
    improving work-life balance could go a long way. Others leave because   
    they don't feel they get sufficient opportunities for career growth.   
    Hiring women is not the same as providing them the same opportunities as men.   
    Gender-based salary imbalances, for example, are a major issue   
    that needs to be addressed."
    
    "Hiring women is not the same as providing them the same opportunities as men"
    
    This is my problem with modern "social justice" if you will, it's about moving the bar, or putting others down to achieve the goal. Which isn't tmiller@example.com. 
    
    Also if anyone were being paid less than someone else for the same job in the same company, I'm fairly certain that is illegal, unless there were some time worked in the equation.

So @Zippy_Parmesian2 replied

    The gun doesn't pull the trigger. If someone has plans to shoot another, I'm sure they'd find another way. What happens when as a society we fail as a whole and morales no longer matter? Am I expected to fend off the thousands of people that want my shit with my bare hands? Are you referencing the entire military as a bunch of wimps as well? ISIS persists but yeah one second we're just going to fend them off with our bare fists and terrorize our streets. There is a price for freedom, and whenever that cost can no longer be payed, we will fall into an anarchy. I'd want a gun by my side for that. That's a whole different debate however. National boundaries need to exist. Not everyone thinks the same. Get that through your head. There are civilizations out there that given the chance, would demolish America and everything it stands for. You want to get rid of religion? Religion allows others to have the misconception that they are of a hierarchy. This makes good people but at the same time makes followers blind to morality. I'm not religious (but I'm sure as hell not an Athiest, I'm me) but putting a ban on religion means you now have an entire planet that wouldn't hesitate to wipe you out of existence. The person who isn't willing to work, doesn't deserve a roof, food, or security for that matter. You get out what you put in. By your logic, I whom of which is dedicated to my schoolwork, don't deserve a higher quality of life in comparison to the person who is too lazy to put forth effort. I think being partial to a sex is non existent. Just as @Quixotic_Autocrat was saying; if it did exist, then by that logic more women would be working then men. Damn, where am I going with this? I'm wasting my time.
    
    TLDR: For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

To which @GerkinYaGerkin replied

    Good move Intel, time to teach this misogynist idustry a lesson or two.

To which @MrChumps replied

    Close enough

@XDroidie626 replied

    Intel is getting to big for their boots, and to be honest i'm sick and bored of them been at the top of everything, there is no innovation anymore, I like to have new features each generation and thats not happening, I am hoping Zen changes this and crushes Intel.  
    If not then I think we should all move to ARM and let Intel try compete in innovation there, I think with some actual desktop parts ARM could beat Intel due to their design, RISC over CISC.  
    I mean come on, I have had no end of complaints of W10 with Intel GPUs having sleep and wake issues, there just crap.

Then @Streetguru said

    at best zen is probably going to be on par with haswell, and ARM doesn't have the software of x86

So @GabDube replied

    Thoughts on this article: Poor journalism is poor. Not that the site's profound editorial bias wasn't already evident.
    
    I have yet to find a proper, well-written and well-researched, journalistic article on this topic.

Then @WhiskeyRanger said

    Streetguru:
    
    > Also if anyone were being paid less than someone else for the same job in the same company, I'm fairly certain that is illegal, unless there were some time worked in the equation.
    
    It would be illegal if they were being paid less because of their race, gender, religion or sexual orientation etc. However, things like that are difficult to prove. For a lot of jobs, pay scale is fluid and can be influenced by things like experience, training, credentials, how well the interview went, personality traits, or even salary negotiation. So proving that you are getting paid less specifically because of your gender is difficult.
    
    I will say though, that at least part of the existing pay gap between men and women isn't because of overt sexism (though, a portion undeniably is, because some people are just assholes). Women didn't enter the workforce at large in high percentages until the late 70's and early 80's. That's not that long ago. Hell, it's my mother's generation. So there is still an experience gap in many areas (especially in management) between men and women, not to mention a difference in the "who you know" factor that often matters so much at the upper echelons of business.
    
    Add to that the large number of reasons women might need to exit both school and the work force for extended periods of time (there's pregnancy, and the fact that women are still more often the primary caregiver to their children), and it goes a long way towards explaining why the pay gap still exists to the extent that it does. But with better access to birth control, and more men being willing to take on a primary caregiver role (and with affordable daycare becoming more available), those things are becoming less of an issue over time... but it's going to take a while to balance out.
    
    So anyone who says that the pay gap is due purely to sexism, is either lying, or naive. Of course the same goes for anyone saying the opposite. This is the real world. Things are more complicated than that.

So @GabDube replied

    Explaining feminism to people requires that they have a preliminary understanding of what implicit bias are and how they work. It is counter-productive to directly explain stuff if the prerequisite concepts aren't there.
    
    A lot of people who are refractory towards major concepts of feminist theory still think that sexism is an explicit, conscious opinion or behavior that is constructed with clarity and operates wholly within individual minds.

After which, @GabDube added

    Quixotic_Autocrat:
    
    > I am not sure what STEM programs would have to do to get female student in the those programs. You can't force them.
    
    More female role models would be a good start. But how do you get more female role models in the tech industry in the first place? Oh wait.
    
    This question has already been researched, debated and answered extensively by academics. But a lot of people don't like the anwers, regardless of the fact that they are becoming ever more widely accepted and held among the scientific community.

After which, @Streetguru added

    GabDube:
    
    > This question has already been researched, debated and answered extensively by academics.
    
    Well don't go pulling a feminist frequency man, post your sources.
    
    Besides, there's a fair number of important women in the history of science and math, and that's before they really were equal citizens in most parts of the world.

After which, @GabDube added

    I'm guessing you haven't read much on those pages you linked.
    
    > ADVANCE projects support institutional transformation in STEM. STEM includes but is not limited to Arctic and Antarctic sciences, biological sciences, computer and information sciences, engineering, geosciences, mathematics, physical sciences, **the learning sciences, and social, behavioral and economic sciences**.
    
    Science is Science, and the National Science Foundation is there to fund and award the advancement of Science, regardless of your personal opinion on specific branches of humanity's search for knowledge.

@Streetguru replied

    "The goals of the ADVANCE program are (1) to develop systemic approaches   
    to increase the representation and advancement of women in academic STEM  
    careers; (2) to develop innovative and sustainable ways to promote   
    gender equity in the STEM academic workforce; and (3) to contribute to   
    the development of a more diverse science and engineering workforce.   
    ADVANCE also has as its goal to contribute to and inform the general   
    knowledge base on gender equity in the academic STEM disciplines. There   
    are three tracks with distinct purposes. The Institutional   
    Transformation (IT) track is meant to produce large-scale comprehensive   
    change and serve as a locus for research on gender equity and   
    institutional transformation for academic STEM."
    
    The money should be used to help anyone and everyone who wants to get into STEM get into it, or to teach children more about the STEM fields, I don't find there to be anything in concrete reality that prevents women from going into STEM, there is no armed guard at the doors. 
    
    They are focused solely on getting women and minorities into it, rather than everyone, and that's my issue with them.

@GabDube replied

    Streetguru:
    
    > Well don't go pulling a feminist frequency man, post your sources.
    
    Gladly.
    
    Not an exhaustive list, and in no particular order:
    
    Arrow, K.J., "The theory of discrimination", in Ashenfelter, O. and Rees, A. (eds), _Discrimination in labor markets_ , Princeton University Press, 1973, p. 3-33.
    
    Lewin, Arie Y. and Duchan, L., "Women in Academia", Science 3, September 1971: 173 (4000), p. 892-895.
    
    Oaxaca, R.L., "Male-female wage differentials in urban labor markets", International Economic Review 14, 1973, p. 693-709.
    
    Beblo, M. _et al_., "Methodological issues related to the analysis of gender gaps in employment, earnings and career progression", rapport pour la Commission Européenne, DG Emploi et affaires sociales, 2003.
    
    Oaxaca, R.L., "Using econometric models for intrafirm equity salary adjustments", The journal of Economic Inequality 12, 1 (3), 2003, p. 241-249.
    
    European Commission, "Gender pay gaps in european labor markets - measurement, analysis and policy implications", _Commission Staff Working Paper_ , n° SEC, 2003, p. 937.
    
    European Commission, Directorate General for Research, National policies on women and science in Europe, 2002.

Then @Streetguru said

    I'm speaking more from american point of view. some of those are from the 70s when a gap really existed and was a major problem, and the others are from europe which I'm sure is applicable to some degree but there are some cultural differences, especially in places like sweden, but it's going to take me a bit to go through those a bit. 
    
    I also can't find a PDF at all for: just sign in walls and pay walls. 
    
    GabDube:
    
    > Oaxaca, R.L., "Using econometric models for intrafirm equity salary adjustments", The journal of Economic Inequality 12, 1 (3), 2003, p. 241-249.
    
    Got some for you, first few results in google mostly.   
    time.com
    
    ### 6 Feminist Myths That Will Not Die
    
    If we're genuinely committed to improving the circumstances of women, we need to get the facts straight
    
    www.washingtonexaminer.com
    
    ### A yearly reminder that the gender wage gap is due t...
    
    Women earn just 77 or 78 cents to the dollar that men earn. That line is thrown around so often it must be true, right? As with most outrageous statistics, the shock disappears when you do even a bit of research into its background. I first heard the ...

Then @GabDube said

    Nobody's saying that there are armed guards at the door, or that there is some shadowy man-conspiracy to keep women out of specific areas of activity. If that was the problem, it would actually be much simpler to solve than reality.
    
    Social dynamics aren't explicit, and not at all obvious. The sole reason why oppressive systems persist in the first place is that they're implicit and systematic.
    
    Nobody thinks they're sexist themselves. You don't have to think you're sexist, or even to explicitly enact sexism, for it to perpetuate. It's more of an immense accumulation of tiny nudges that people unwittingly experience and unwittingly reproduce.
    
    Like the famous study showed, when you send two applications with the same background and the exact same qualifications, one bearing a male name and the other bearing a female name, for a tenure job at a university, there is a much higher chance that the male application will be chosen over the female one; essentially out of implicit bias. The deans and faculty members involved in the study get really surprised by their own behavioral tendencies.

To which @Streetguru replied

    GabDube:
    
    > Like the famous study showed, when you send two applications with the same background and the exact same qualifications, one bearing a male name and the other bearing a female name, for a tenure job at a university, there is a much higher chance that the male application will be chosen over the female one; essentially out of implicit bias. The deans and faculty members involved in the study get really surprised by their own behavioral tendencies.
    
    That would be an issue, though we might need a few studies at other universities to confirm it.  
    news.yale.edu
    
    ### Scientists not immune from gender bias, Yale study ...
    
    Hypothesis: Scientists have a superior ability to root out gender bias in their labs because they are trained to rigorously reject subjective criteria.
    
    Assuming that was the one
    
    Course the quickest fix is to eliminate the need to specify gender/ethnicity on applications.

Then @GabDube said

    Streetguru:
    
    > That would be an issue, though we might need a few studies at other universities to confirm it.
    
    Yeah, but that would require funding. ;)

After which, @Streetguru added

    Funding that doesn't come from tax payers to be sure. We need that money for nuclear reactors and solar research, or perhaps towards education.

To which @GabDube replied

    I get your point, but perhaps nuclear fusion's Enrico Fermi is among those people whose talent is wasted by being unjustly conditioned to be more interested in fashion magazines than scientific journals.
    
    And it'd be great if we didn't have to spend taxpayer money to start fixing that issue, but so far it seems we do, cause that money wasn't incoming from the private sector until right now. Hopefully the private sector will finally see the benefit of it. Patriarchy, like all systems of oppression, is extremely inefficient, wasteful, and really benefits no-one in the absolute sense. It is just holding humanity down out of sheer habit.
    
    Anyhow, more untapped talent getting into science and industry is always a good thing, and always more than worth the money, wherever that money comes from.

@Streetguru replied

    GabDube:
    
    > Patriarchy, like all systems of oppression, is extremely inefficient, wasteful, and really benefits no-one in the absolute sense. It is just holding humanity down out of sheer habit.
    
    We're getting into tin foil hat territory with "Patriarchy" man.

After which, @GabDube added

    Streetguru:
    
    > We're getting into tin foil hat territory with "Patriarchy" man.
    
    It may be a big scary word, but it has nothing to do with some ridiculous conspiracy. Neither does the clearly-defined but extremely vaguely-named "rape culture". "Patriarchy" was developped as a concept in anthropology, as a way to explain power dynamics that take effect in several kinds of social groups. What it designates is something that's probably older than complex language. And it's kinda hard to conspire without language.
    
    The thing I don't like with gender studies is that the concepts it involves are extremely unfriendly to popular language and the general public.
    
    And it really doesn't help that academics often forget that not everyone memorized the same definitions they did.
    
    Oh, and I did say "out of sheer habit". I thought that would hint that it's not some sort of big goofy Master Plan. Then again, English isn't my mother tongue, so my wording might not be as clear as I thought it would be.

@Streetguru replied

    If it had any proper meaning before its meaning has been diluted heavily.

So @Resistor replied

    TIL ... well, not T. TOD I suppose. 
    
    I'm taking a Russian language class in college, and my professor also teaches French. The other day, Thursday to be exact, he was talking about the French language and the word used to describe a large group of people. They use gendered words, much like Russian, and Spanish, and if there is a large group of women, the French word to describe that word is feminine. If that large group of women stays the same, but a single man enters the group, the word used to describe the entire group is now masculine, and the entire group of women, and a lone man, is referred to as a group of men. 
    
    My thoughts on the OP? Your right wing is showing.
    
    As for the topic at hand,

To which @LinuxMaster9 replied

    when ever someone brings up SJWs I go watch TL;DR. Go and head and fire away with your flaming responses. My firewall is protecting me from getting burned.

@aydendev replied

    Resistor:
    
    > My thoughts on the OP? Your right wing is showing.
    
    Are you fucking joking?

After which, @anon54242466 added

    Streetguru:
    
    > Course the quickest fix is to eliminate the need to specify gender/ethnicity on applications.
    
    That isn't a terrible idea.
    
    But how do we get females in the STEM/Skilled labor education in the first place? Right now there is a huge lack of skilled labourers (mechanics, electricians, welders) and having the other half of population getting into those positions would be good for everyone. And the IT world suffers from the same problem.

After which, @bartios added

    My thoughts on this article? I see an article by someone who is firmly on one side of an argument which is getting nastier over time.   
    I see Intel investing in scholarships for minorities and supporting the organisations meant to represent them.  
    What I don's see is a clear connection between the extra spending and the insinuated cuts in STEM education of equal size. I don't even see STEM cuts of 300 million.  
    I don't see someone trying to write an unbiased article with sound arguments, I see someone ranting.

So @nucleardoge replied

    AMD fans be like "Intel Fucked Up!"

So @XDroidie626 replied

    We shall see, they are using actual threads instead of modules this time, so there true cores.  
    And yeah it doesn't but I don't think ARM porting would be too difficult.

Then @Streetguru said

    Quixotic_Autocrat:
    
    > But how do we get females in the STEM/Skilled labor education in the first place?
    
    By showing children what they could be doing in STEM fields, probably the best bet
    
    @XDroidie626  
    Somethings gotta be holding it back, otherwise adobe probably would have ported their creative suite already.

After which, @aydendev added

    Streetguru:
    
    > would have ported their creative suite already
    
    What?

So @Streetguru replied

    is there already a fully functioning ARM version of the creative suite?

To which @aydendev replied

    oh I thought you were talking about linux support

Then @XDroidie626 said

    Yeah that ARM is not as mainstream on the desktop/laptop market, all ARM need to do is increase core clock which they can easily do with a active cooler, all arms these days are built for fanless low power it seems, so unrestricted via both cooling and power would be brilliant.  
    Only other issue is OS, although I expect Apple to attempt a shift to their A series and make iOS a full system.

Then @Filekutter said

    Okay. Gun doesn't pull trigger. No, it doesn't. That's changing the issue or a red herring. When I was a teenager in St Louis (an exceptionally violent place to grow up) we fought with skin... fists and occasionally the knife or bottle. Deaths were more a rarity then too. Now its been a couple decades and weapons have infiltrated the entire culture and weapons are now used to end arguments, enact revenge, kill enemies, and a host of other pretty much ridiculous reasons. But, let us be honest here... this wouldn't have happened if there hadn't been an advertising and market push by both gun manufacturers and thereby their big gun the NRA to push them into every home. If you don't consider that something to chew on well, then you obviously won't listen to another's viewpoint. But, I will not presume, that would be rude and ignorant.  
    You say you need a gun to protect yourself from society basically, right? The thousands of people all lined up to get into a little room where some mysterious group of ugly and methodically mean people are plotting to get... YOUR SHIT. Well, that makes me wonder if you consider yourself part of our society, or maybe you feel estranged because of your race, or your income... or maybe because you've never stepped outside your neighborhood and are just scared to death of the rest of the world. Well, that's your right, but don't put actions in the hands of others just to justify a sense of danger that doesn't exist.  
    National boundaries. That's my little pet thought and I just like it... so pffft. 
    
    Religion. First, I didn't say ban. I said push the bullying and outright bigotry of religion back where it belongs... in the home. Religion is a personal belief, and there is a law fortunately which states that quite well. Right now our christian fundamentalists are basically impossible to discern from an Islamic fundamentalist and no one yet seems to get it. My opinion is my own, and notice I'm NOT tossing invective or calling names. Its just fact.
    
    Basic rights. When a person is born into a system based on capitalism they have a few options and not all of them are known to the other strata that are created by this economy. Capitalism needs poverty, it can't exist without it. But, we are also members of a global society, regardless of race, gender, etc etc. But, it isn't wrong, nor is it impossible to feed, protect, and ensure everyone on the planet their dignity. Dignity to keep them from slavery, starvation, authoritarian abuse, and so on... but, I mention it and you try to equate these basic rights with your education, AND presume these people don't want to work. That, is not really what I'd expect to hear from someone who is hinting at a higher schooling and is tainted far as I'm concerned. Capitalism, and in a large degree our own system of it has created a tiered system of inequality that is being protected and managed with such viewpoints. If you've never lived in poverty or at least visited a true ghetto, then I would think you'd at least wonder why people say such obviously different things about how "easy " it is to get work .. and how "fun" it is to "just lay around broke". Maybe you're just listening to someone who doesn't want you to tip the cart.
    
    And lastly, I am VERY partial to sex, its NOT non-existent. The statement that men are more numerous and this is why there's a problem well... allow me a few links pls...
    
    fastcompany.com
    
    ### You're More Biased Than You Think 
    
    Even the most open-minded person harbors a lot of unconscious biases. Here's how to start recognizing and eliminating them.
    
    fortune.com
    
    ### Why so few women are CEOs (in 5 charts)
    
    A new Pew Research report explores America's perceptions about women's ability to lead companies.
    
    fortune.com
    
    ### How corporate America is tackling unconscious bias
    
    Roche Diagnostics and Royal Bank of Canada have launched internal initiatives in hopes of increasing workforce diversity.
    
    I don't expect you to tell me Fortune magazine is run by a bunch of hippie liberal commies.  
    So, enjoy. And thank you for your time.  
    Capitalism is broken. Long live the next idea.

So @Filekutter replied

    And... just in case someone wants to make another assumptive remark about me, what I have done, and so on?  
    I've 5 years as a 911 dispatcher and 1 1/2 yrs law enforcement which I finally tossed off due to really asshole crooked members of the force. I've worked a CCA prison and have a very interesting history from NYC to Texas. I'm an ole punk rocker from the Lower East Side back in the 80's... I've cared for Vets who cried themselves to sleep or just stood around saluting and surrendering to invisible men... I've worked Fire/ Rescue and seen things you don't wanna see and I've done things that I am incredibly proud of. I've had guns in my face and a straight razor once to my neck, I am no stranger to what can happen... its called... shit happens.   
    I also like ... but, that's actually none of your business. Ciao !  
    Remember the alamo.. We LOST !

So @Filekutter replied

    Yep, you've lived. But, I still think you have an unfair view of other people and their lives. Yes, I"ve had the enjoyment of family abuse too and it sucks but its over and in the past. I've some of my own lovely stories but to be honest, its irrelevant. Whether you had a nice life and someone actually thought you were their little Snowflake or a bunch of people sharing the genepool but didn't share the food, the covers, the room that had a window, the silverware (or sporks), or the ammo.... doesn't excuse not thinking about the people in the world around you. If you're so angry at the world, or been raised or surrounded by people who've set a norm you like, even though you know its a tad selfish, admit it. Don't hide behind your experiences and not answer the things I said.   
    Which you didn't do. So, either you're unable to respond and so you had to unload your life story which I have to admit was kinda familiar.... or, you just don't want to respond. Sorry to sound challenging but for pete's sake... you made a rather lengthy paragraph of which some twisted my words. You expect me to lay down and let a lazy reader believe you?  
    Oh, unsex me from here to here.

@Zippy_Parmesian2 replied

    I wouldn't say it's an unfair viewpoint. Good things happen to good people. There is no such a thing as the genuinely disadvantaged nor that of the advanteged. If your born rich, you lack somewhere else. If you live in the ghetto, it's a great life lesson. It all depends on how you depict the situation. Once again, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. As for guns, as long as someone halfway across the planet has one, I refuse to forfeit mine. As long as any corporation can make them, I'm not giving someone somewhere else an advantage in survival. As for religion, as long as you can go around expressing your belief in that a hiarchy doesn't exist, then why should those who do have faith not be able to? I swear, I hear more people complain about the expression of religion then I have heard Christians preaching of elitism. 
    
    Filekutter:
    
    > Dignity to keep them from slavery, starvation, authoritarian abuse, and so on... but, I mention it and you try to equate these basic rights with your education, AND presume these people don't want to work. That, is not really what I'd expect to hear from someone who is hinting at a higher schooling and is tainted far as I'm concerned
    
    I'm looking at this on the national level... not the international level. In America, you have equal opportunity no matter who you are. I'm not subject to a higher level of education. As a matter of fact, I'm not afraid to admit you have far more life experience then I do. I'm a Freshman taking Junior classes. I never did equate basic rights with my education, however I will say that in order to be eligible for benefits you _must work for it!_ I would love for everyone to have food, shelter, and freedom, but you ,just realize not everyone thinks the same. Tainted? I think not. The people willing to raise cattle on peta farms and then chop off the animals head, now that's tainted. 
    
    Ade 
    
    I'm done with this.

So @Resistor replied

    aydendev:
    
    > Are you fucking joking?
    
    нет
    
    en.wikipedia.org
    
    ### Andrew Breitbart
    
    Andrew James Breitbart (/ˈbraɪtbɑːrt/; February 1, 1969 – March 1, 2012) was an American conservative publisher, commentator for The Washington Times, journalist, author, and television and radio personality on various news programs, who served as an editor for the Drudge Report website. He was a researcher for Arianna Huffington, and he was present at the launch of her web publication The Huffington Post. Breitbart owned Breitbart.com, a news and opinion website. He played central roles in the A...
    
    en.wikipedia.org
    
    ### Breitbart News
    
    Breitbart News Network (known commonly as Breitbart News, Breitbart or Breitbart.com) is a politically conservative American news and opinion website founded in 2007 by conservative commentator and entrepreneur Andrew Breitbart (1969–2012). It also has a daily radio program, Breitbart News Daily. Breitbart is headquartered in Los Angeles, California, with bureaus in Texas, London, and Jerusalem. Stephen Bannon serves as the publication's executive chairman, with Alexander Marlow serving as the ed...

@swaggymcswagswag replied

    Grim_Reaper:
    
    > How many feminists does it take to change a lightbulb?
    
    Trick question. Feminists can't change anything

@eugenius replied

    stop valuing yourself and other people on who they are, value them on what they are

After which, @GabDube added

    Quixotic_Autocrat:
    
    > Course the quickest fix is to eliminate the need to specify gender/ethnicity on applications.
    > 
    > That isn't a terrible idea.
    > 
    > But how do we get females in the STEM/Skilled labor education in the first place? Right now there is a huge lack of skilled labourers (mechanics, electricians, welders) and having the other half of population getting into those positions would be good for everyone. And the IT world suffers from the same problem.
    
    But then we'd also have to eliminate the need to specify names. Most people don't have gender-neutral names, and a lot names are associated with specific cultural groups. This is one of the reasons why customer service employees often use fake names.
    
    It would be harder, but more efficient in the long run, to target the root of the problem through proper education and awareness of the implicit biases conveyed in most forms of social communication.

To which @GabDube replied

    Zippy_Parmesian:
    
    > I wouldn't say it's an unfair viewpoint. Good things happen to good people. There is no such a thing as the genuinely disadvantaged nor that of the advanteged. If your born rich, you lack somewhere else. If you live in the ghetto, it's a great life lesson. It all depends on how you depict the situation. Once again, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. As for guns, as long as someone halfway across the planet has one, I refuse to forfeit mine. As long as any corporation can make them, I'm not giving someone somewhere else an advantage in survival. As for religion, as long as you can go around expressing your belief in that a hiarchy doesn't exist, then why should those who do have faith not be able to? I swear, I hear more people complain about the expression of religion then I have heard Christians preaching of elitism. 
    > 
    > I'm looking at this on the national level... not the international level. In America, you have equal opportunity no matter who you are. I'm not subject to a higher level of education. As a matter of fact, I'm not afraid to admit you have far more life experience then I do. I'm a Freshman taking Junior classes. I never did equate basic rights with my education, however I will say that in order to be eligible for benefits you must work for it! I would love for everyone to have food, shelter, and freedom, but you ,just realize not everyone thinks the same. Tainted? I think not. The people willing to raise cattle on peta farms and then chop off the animals head, now that's tainted. 
    > 
    > Ade 
    > 
    > I'm done with this.
    
    So, basically, you're saying that all poor people, or all people who are discriminated against, must have done something to deserve it? And that, out of equal opportunity, people in the USA are all self-made men and women, or else they're just lazy?
    
    Statistically, your odds of achieving "success" in life are orders of magnitude higher if you're born a white male in a normal neighborhood than if you're a racialized female in a disadvantaged neighborhood. Sure, there are notable exceptions, but the odds were still stacked against them, which means that hard work isn't a sufficient condition for success, although it is necessary. Being statistically lucky doesn't mean that equal opportunity is achieved. If anything, the state of equal opportunity today is more like that of a comforting fantasy.
    
    It'd be great if some force of nature ensured the proper dishing out of justice, but justice is a pretty rare thing in nature. So maybe we should stop confounding "what is" and "what should be".

To which @Zippy_Parmesian2 replied

    In some form, everyone is discriminated against. Does that make it right? No, what I'm trying to say is everyone has the opportunity to invoke an equivalent change of their peers given they work for it. 
    
    GabDube:
    
    > And that, out of equal opportunity, people in the USA are all self-made men and women, or else they're just lazy?
    
    In a sense, yes.
    
    GabDube:
    
    > It'd be great if some force of nature ensured the proper dishing out of justice, but justice is a pretty rare thing in nature. So maybe we should stop confounding "what is" and "what should be".
    
    Which is why I will end here with this; as long as greed persists throughout that of the mind, justice will never truly be served. Ending discrimination isn't possible; you can only make people aware of it. It's their choice whether or not to decide if they have better things to do.


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