@matt227 (Matt Welter) posted a new topic, subject "Places not listed". It read:

   Why do neither the city of Green Bay, WI nor the village of Allouez, WI appear in places when I look up either places or try to put them in for my mushroom garden project?

So @Marina_Gorbunova (Marina Gorbunova) replied

    Because far from every place exists as a place on iNat. You can create your own here https://www.inaturalist.org/places (but check, maybe places you need exist, just called differently, you can look them up on observation in the needed area, under map 
    
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To which @pisum (pisum) replied

    if you need the boundaries for places that don't already exist, there may be a few ways to get those (in order of what i think is best to worst practice):
    
      1. look online for the municipality's website and see if they have a GIS or Open Data portal. often, such portals will have administrative boundaries defined in some sort of electronic format which can uploaded as an iNat place.
      2. (for US cities) you usually can turn to Census Data as a fairly reliable source for boundaries. see: https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/creating-a-place-for-your-us-city-using-census-bureau-geography-data/21927.
      3. you can often get boundaries from OpenStreetMap. these boundaries may or may not be from official sources though. see: https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/new-limits-to-place-creation/24878/15
      4. sometimes in ArcGIS Online's generic open data portal, you'll be able to find boundaries

Then @brian_d said

    I see you're talking about a project. Often with locations it's also good to check whether they can be searched in Explore and Identify (location can differ between them). In Explore and Identify I can't search Green Bay although some smaller areas within Green Bay can be searched. A boundary box location comes up for Allouez in Explore (although I haven't matched it to a map to know it's definitely correct), although Identify currently doesn't have any locations for it. In addition to iNat locations, some locations are created by Google (ones with boundary boxes). You can also go to Google Maps and click “edit map” to give them feedback, for anything that would be applicable for Google to create. I tried this for a few locations a few days ago. It's unknown whether Google Maps will see these as worth adding or fixing though.

To which @jwidness (Jane Widness) replied

    brian_d:
    
    > Often with locations it's also good to check whether they can be searched in Explore and Identify
    
    This is not relevant for projects because Google's bounding box places can't be used for project places. Only iNat places can be used for projects.

Then @brian_d said

    My comment referred to both iNat locations (I think, the Identify ones right?) and Google-defined locations (ones with boundary boxes). I was just adding details that some iNat locations with “Green Bay, WI” in them exist, although are smaller regions within Green Bay, WI. So, the main issue was addressed by the comment to create places. Speaking of, is there any place to organize users' creation of new iNat places? Like a forum, project, message, or wiki. To help show what's needed and be able to check each others' work to ensure correct boundaries are being used.

So @matt227 (Matt Welter) replied

    One thing I don't understand about this is that I put in observations in Alouez, wi and when putting in the location it autocompletes in a few letters. I check the location and it comes up like google maps. It did it when I typed in Moquah barrens,
    
    So why is it that a remote location that is only 1 mile by 1 mile wide, comes up automatically, but it doesn't for the City of Green Bay or the village of Allouez?

After which, @Marina_Gorbunova (Marina Gorbunova) added

    Because adding location to observation (from Google) and actual places on iNat are different things and places are added by users, so they can be “random”.

Then @matt227 (Matt Welter) said

    It seems like projects would be more user friendly if established places that already exist on google maps were okay for projects.

So @matt227 (Matt Welter) replied

    I give up!

Then @Marina_Gorbunova (Marina Gorbunova) said

    Nope, Google places are quite weird and all places should be manageable, so iNat places are the way to go, it's not hard to create one!

After which, @matt227 (Matt Welter) added

    I tried for 3 hours today and got nowhere.
    
    Sorry, still on a flip phone and a computer.

To which @pisum (pisum) replied

    matt227:
    
    > I tried for 3 hours today and got nowhere.
    
    not sure where you're struggling, but i used the process to get boundaries from Census data (described above), and i created KMLs for Green Bay and Allouez (in under 5 minutes – not a brag, just an indication of how fast it can be done). the text of the files is pasted below. just save each into a plain text file with the .kml extension, and then you should be able to use them to create places in iNat.
    
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@matt227 (Matt Welter) replied

    no kml extension in text file save

@pisum (pisum) replied

    most text editors should have an option to save with your own extension. for example, in Notepad in Windows, you can select All Files as your file type for save, and then you can append your desired extension to the file name.
    
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Then @matt227 (Matt Welter) said

    Was able to do with Allouez, however now the project shows only 4observations
    
    https://www.inaturalist.org/projects/mushroom-garden

To which @Marina_Gorbunova (Marina Gorbunova) replied

    Check your accuracy circles or placement of observations.

After which, @pisum (pisum) added

    how many observations do you expect to be included in your project?

@matt227 (Matt Welter) replied

    I expected over 25 and got 8. The size of the circle of allouez on google maps is larger that than the actual coordinates

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