@Andy2819 (Andy) posted a new topic, subject "Things I wish I knew before buying". It read:

   I am quite OCD when it comes to planes so my aim is to collect high quality planes that can justify their presence in my hangar.
    
    My planes need not be very complex but being payware, they must at least be equal or better than the default planes in respect of the following factors:
    
      1. system depth: must be equal or better than the default planes
    
      2. modelling and textures: must be equal or better than the default planes
    
      3. flight model: must fly ok but need not be the same as real world counterpart
    
      4. sound: this is a very important factor for me, the plane must sound great but need not be the same as real world counterpart
    
      5. collision detection: being able to walk past the airplane's cockpit walls is such an immersion breaker
    
      6. default pilot models: must use default models and not the developer's own models
    
    
    
    
    So far I have purchased 5 planes all from the marketplace, and if I have known the things below I would not have purchased some of them.
    
    Aerosoft CRJ
    
      1. system depth: pass
      2. modelling and textures: pass
      3. flight model: pass
      4. sound: pass
      5. collision detection: yes
      6. default pilot models: yes
    
    
    
    Conclusion: this plane ticks all the boxes, no regrets whatsoever
    
    Carenado C182T
    
      1. system depth: pass
      2. modelling and textures: pass
      3. flight model: pass
      4. sound: big fail, really annoying sound
      5. collision detection: no
      6. default pilot models: no
    
    
    
    Conclusion: regret this purchase
    
    Carenado Mooney
    
      1. system depth: pass
      2. modelling and textures: pass
      3. flight model: pass
      4. sound: pass
      5. collision detection: no
      6. default pilot models: no
    
    
    
    Conclusion: regret this purchase
    
    IndiaFoxtEcho Goshawk
    
      1. system depth: pass
      2. modelling and textures: fail
      3. flight model: pass
      4. sound: fail
      5. collision detection: no
      6. default pilot models: no (but ok for this plane)
    
    
    
    Conclusion: regret this purchase
    
    Asobo Top Rudder Solo
    
      1. system depth: pass
      2. modelling and textures: pass
      3. flight model: pass
      4. sound: pass
      5. collision detection: n/a (cannot walk around)
      6. default pilot models: yes
    
    
    
    Conclusion: no regrets, this plane is the same quality as a default plane

To which @Andy2819 (Andy) replied

    I am considering whether to purchase the justflight arrows, spitfire and corsair.
    
    Can any owners assist to answer how these planes score on each of the above factors?

@NeoKingRthur (Neo King Arthur) replied

    So, the lesson here is, don't buy it before you try it…

To which @BeardyBrun replied

    How many third party aircraft have a demo option?

After which, @Andy2819 (Andy) added

    Would have saved some money if I could try before buying or the marketplace has a refund policy!

After which, @WieldyChunk3693 (Simon - EGGD) added

    Hardly any would be my guess

To which @dissy6234 (Ian Diss) replied

    There are plenty of reviews you can watch before purchasing an aircraft.

@autopylit88 (Autopylit) replied

    I'm picky about what I buy and do a lot of research before purchasing anything. The Corsair and JF Arrows are well worth it and would be good purchases based on the OPs criteria. Go for both.

So @pwmacbert (Phillip) replied

    There were plenty “reviews” of FS 2020. None mentioned the problems we'd have as we paid our $120 bucks to become newly vested beta testers for FS 2020. 
    
    Reviews can't always be trusted.

Then @Skoeman74 (Skoeman74) said

    The Spitfire is pretty good and they just updated it. Haven't flown the update yet.

@Nekhebu (Nekhebu) replied

    Officially - none. Unofficially - well…

Then @Emerald0771346 (Pixgamer266) said

    I just waiting to see who bought the A-4 on the marketplace …and <insert garbage/regret comment here>

After which, @BostonJeremy77 (Jeremy Smirnov) added

    My suggestion is to go ahead and run head first into…errr… there is me being me.  Go look up some reviews before you buy! This is not a thread that… errr. Better stop it.

So @bearvsbunny replied

    In my opinion the modelling and textures of T-45 Goshawk is one of the best in msfs, how can this failed and the CRJ (which is inferior to Goshawk but still pretty good) passed?

@JXNNYCVSH (Jxnnycvsh) replied

    that you say that the CRJ has the same or better model of textures than the base planes … says a lot about your criteria … have you ever zoomed in? LOL

So @Andy2819 (Andy) replied

    I play on an LG CX 55 inch TV, at 4k resolution using RTX 3090.
    
    Re the CRJ, the modelling and textures look great at 4K (both internal and external). No douglasstevens@example.org.
    
    Re the goshawk, at 4k, internally the modelling is ok but the textures are really weak and blurrish, especially the front square box with numbers and the glass display. Externally, the view from the back shows some empty space (could be a bug). And did you hear the sound? Ouch. And why no collision detection?

@Hypercide318 (Hypercide318) replied

    I've been simming for a very long time (FS98). I love simming because it's a great way to enjoy aviation. My criteria are: looks fantastic inside and out, lots of gizmos to fiddle with in the cockpit, enjoyable to fly. For me, exploring system depth is reserved for the PMDG737 when it's released, otherwise it's ctrl-e all the way, baby.
    
    In MSFS2020, my fail points are visible vertices, guages made by someone who watched a tutorial on youtube, and annoyingly twitchy flight characteristics. Frankly, most developers' websites provide enough images to give away the first two fail points, while passionate discussions about tail draggers here and elsewhere provide sufficient warning of the last one.

To which @JXNNYCVSH (Jxnnycvsh) replied

    Textures CRJ
    
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    Textures a320neo  
    
    
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    need glasses?
    
    The CRJ bolts look like gum stuck to the chassis, and the engines look like tin, please don't compare bad textures with next gen ones.

After which, @quelcertoleo added

    Many people don't need glasses.  
    They just don't need zooming.  
    The never ending texture zooming rivet mania.

Then @JXNNYCVSH (Jxnnycvsh) said

    It is not a mania, it is to require a minimum of standard quality
    
    CRj is not a bad plane, but it does not meet requirements, deficiencies such as gelation effects? It does not reach studio level, it is well below the graphic level of asobo or fairing, it is an entertaining plane, very fun, but certainly not at 50 euros
    
    the problem is that people do not require it, and then we have the junk marketplace that we have thanks to bad criteria…

@LincolnSixE (Lincoln SixE) replied

    pwmacbert:
    
    > Reviews can't always be trusted.
    
    Especially on here, they're more often than not just basically ‘hot off the press and get it out the door' garbage written from an obvious flight sim noob's viewpoint and often lacking in at least a rudamentary knowledge or experience of the subject. Add in any real lack of consistency and a clear bias towards certain developers results in an oddball mix of shilling, hubris and people wanting to be a big fish in a small pond rather than providing a worthy and valid contribution to informing people's buying decisions.
    
    There are some good reviewers out there but you just have to sift through and ignore the junk first to find them.

After which, @Andy2819 (Andy) added

    These are photos of the crj on my screen taken using my phone. There is really nothing douglasstevens@example.org. I don't zoom until the second photo during play, that zoom is a bit extreme.
    
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Then @Andy2819 (Andy) said

    This is a photo of the goshawk front panel
    
    I find this not acceptable
    
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    Another photo of the goshawk front bottom view (internal), looks like water colour drawing
    
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@Andy2819 (Andy) replied

    Now back to crj internals, there is really no contest between crj and goshawk
    
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