@pieterdvr (Pieter de Vries Robbé) posted a new topic, subject "Impossible to change track titles". It read:

   I have imported a 3 disc album of which some tracks are showed with a track title that is not from my file, not from Roon and can not be changed.  
    The track title shown is:  
    No. 3, Dank, König, dir  
    The track title on the edit page as Roon's title:  
    Lohengrin: Act 1: Dank, Königm die, dass du zu richten kamst!  
    The track title on the edit page as my file's title:  
    Lohengrin, opera, WWV 75: Act 1: Dank, Königm die dass du zu richten kamst!  
    My manual change is:  
    Lohengrin: Act 1: Dank, König, dir, dass du zu richten kamst!  
    The shown track title can not be changed!
    
    Pieter dVR

So @John_V (JohnV) replied

    Have you set the track's metadata Preference to prefer file data?

So @pieterdvr (Pieter de Vries Robbé) replied

    I have tried to do that too, but it doesn't hold this choice after Save.

@pieterdvr (Pieter de Vries Robbé) replied

    In fact thera are two questions: @support
    
      1. Where does this shown track title come from?
      2. Why can't I change the track title?

To which @Ludwig (Ludwig van Marbach) replied

    Screen shots please.
    
    I have a suspicion.

So @pieterdvr (Pieter de Vries Robbé) replied

    Title of the file:  
    03 John Van Halteren - Lohengrin, opera, WWV 75; Act 1; Dank, König, dir, daß du zu richten kamst!  
    Screen shot player window:  
    
    
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    Screen shot edit window:  
    
    
    image.jpg3840×2160 780 KB
    
    Pieter

So @pieterdvr (Pieter de Vries Robbé) replied

    Screen shot files:  
    
    
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To which @John_V (JohnV) replied

    1. It comes as a consequence of Roon IDing an album. To revert to file data only, un-ID the album, I.e., click “nothing seems right”.
      2. You can change the title of a track, but leave the album unIDed. As I understand it.

To which @John_V (JohnV) replied

    Also, I suspect having `two semicolons or colons in the tracktitle may be mucking things up. Try changing the second one to a period.
    
    Note that,Roon only has one indenting.

So @pieterdvr (Pieter de Vries Robbé) replied

    All tracks have the same format of titles. It doesn't explain why some titles are right and others are wrong.

Then @John_V (JohnV) said

    Hope you get it figured out.
    
    If this is a Tidal album, pass along the title and conductor. I may take a wrightwhitney@example.com.

Then @pieterdvr (Pieter de Vries Robbé) said

    It is a 3 cd set of Lohengrin by Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra directed by Mark Elder.

To which @BrianW (Brian) replied

    John_V:
    
    > It come as a consequence of Roon IDing an album.
    
    To be sure, something funny is going on here, but I don't think this is a reason. I have never had problems changing the title of a track on an ID'd album

Then @pieterdvr (Pieter de Vries Robbé) said

    I have no problems with tracks of other CD's either.

@pieterdvr (Pieter de Vries Robbé) replied

    @kevin  
    The three CD's have in their directories a somewhat different format.  
    The second CD's format is:  
    
    
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    The third CD's format is:  
    
    
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    Perhaps that ccould be a reason for this behavior?
    
    Pieter

After which, @BrianW (Brian) added

    I dont know how, but could the permissions of the folders have been set up differently? Could CD3 be read only for Roon user?

So @pieterdvr (Pieter de Vries Robbé) replied

    @BrianW  
    The difference between the formats of the three discs came from dBpoweramp. I did the rip of the three CD's and they resulted in these three sets of files. I copied the files to my NAS.  
    Pieter

Then @BrianW (Brian) said

    That was a rubbish suggestion from me anyway; Roon never alters the original file, only the database.

@BrianW (Brian) replied

    pieterdvr:
    
    > Where does this shown track title come from?
    
    That comes from Roon's metadata of the composition. If you _edit,goto composition_ that's what is shown.  
    You should still be able to override this however

Then @BrianW (Brian) said

    Ok, I give up. I've just imported Kempe's Lohengrin from Tidal, and I get exactly the same problem as @pieterdvr
    
    Unless I disable multi-part composition grouping, I cannot rename a track. (And by the way, I get track 3 as  
    Lohengrin: Act 1. Scene 1. Danke, König, dir, daß du zu richten kamst! )
    
    Roon knows best?

@pieterdvr (Pieter de Vries Robbé) replied

    @kevin  
    I have changed the format of the second CD as they have now the same album title and other credits in the file name. It doesn't change anything. How can I force an update of the ROON database?
    
    Pieter dVR

After which, @John_V (JohnV) added

    pieterdvr:
    
    > Lohengrin by Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra directed by Mark Elder
    
    Sadly, TIDAL doesn't have this set in the US. Sigh.

To which @BrianW (Brian) replied

    I believe it's nothing to do with your cds, as I have reproduced your problem with the Tidal Lohengrin I mentioned above.
    
    It's Roon.
    
    Roon should automagically change its db when you redid your cds, but you can force a rescan by  
    _settings, storage, 3 dots, force rescan_

So @John_V (JohnV) replied

    …or Edit Album/Rescan Album.

To which @John_V (JohnV) replied

    pieterdvr:
    
    > Where does this shown track title come from?  
    >  Why can't I change the track title?
    
    Pieter, The track title comes from Roon's DB, Rovi.
    
      2. Actually, you can change the track table. First DE-Identify (unidentify?) the entire album. Then select the track and change the title. The track title will change.
    
    
    
    “But that means that my album is no longer IDed!”  
    Yep, it's kind of a package deal. If you ask Roon to ID, and your file does NOT contain a track title tag, it will use the track titles from its database.
    
    “Well, that's no good.”  
    Yeah, there are issues. The way that gives YOU most control is to use a 3rd party tagging app, add WORK and PART tags to each composition, and re-import. But, that's more work.
    
    Here is a screen shot of the same track as you tried to change, but from a different TIDAL album. Note I first had to unID the album.
    
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Then @BrianW (Brian) said

    Infuriatingly John, that's not always true.  
    Here's an identified Wagner album where I have successfuly changed the track title…  
    
    
    20180531_204623.jpg2048×1536 614 KB
    
    Beyond my pay grade, I think. Sorry.

To which @pieterdvr (Pieter de Vries Robbé) replied

    Even if a title comes from Roon's data base I should ecpect that I can change it

After which, @BrianW (Brian) added

    I quite agree. Let's get the big boys in… @support

@ivan replied

    Hi, @pieterdvr, thanks for your report and sorry for a late reply. While editing of track titles is possible in Roon, editing of part names (for multi-part compositions) is only possible right now by editing file tags. For the moment, this is not possible with TIDAL content, although you can feel free to open a Feature Request for more editing options in this area.
    
    For local files, the workaround is to follow these steps (Thanks, @John_V, your post is the same thing I wanted to offer ):
    
      1. Use Prefer File Tag Data for Part/Grouping and Track Name
      2. Edit file tags of the file using the tag editor on the machine
      3. Roon will automatically pick up your changes.
    
    
    
    Thanks and apologies for inconvenience!
    
    –  
    Ivan

So @BrianW (Brian) replied

    ivan:
    
    > For the moment, this is not possible with TIDAL content,
    
    I'm confused. Here's an edit of a part name of a Tidal album…  
    
    
    20180601_192715.jpg2048×1536 469 KB
    
    Can you explain to an old codger?

Then @John_V (JohnV) said

    “It's a mystery.” 
    
    How about this: you can change part titles so long as it is not important to you.


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