@duffer (duffer) posted a new topic, subject "SolGrundy, matt_mcl...tell me this isn't some gang-up.". It read:

   Fuck you both. You're as cowardly as ol' **Otto**.
    
    And it seems maybe you're “talking” in your fucking clubhouse about who is now the attack target.
    
    **Otto** already let me know I'm on his ignore list. In an email from him I learned that I'm an idiot and he'll forever visit the SDMB with no worries of seeing my posts. Fine with me.
    
    I've let the PTB know about it to give them a head's up. Not to get him in trouble, mind you, but rather to let them know this has been building.
    
    In this thread I mentioned a scenario where I may build on a suggested action in a way that has nothing to do with AIDS nor gays. It was actually directed to **Ottos** 's plight and how he could have made a day of it.
    
    But, alas, I'm attacked. By 2 Dopers that I don't have a regular interaction with. The one's I remember have always been either cordial and/or educational. Yet, suddenly I get the one-two in a thread.
    
    I specified that AIDS was wasn't a part of what I was saying. In addition, what I was saying was how the OP could have have had more fun. I was encouraging him in giving him ways to have that fun without going to jail. I guess that wasn't good enough for you.  
    Yeah, I was making a funny about AIDS. That's how fucking callous I am. :rolleyes:
    
    Seriously. I respected you two. Go fuck yourselves. Tell **Otto** since he can't see this (heh) I hope the best for him. I don't agree with all his views but I'd never block him then have my minions jump in.
    
    Weak fucking showing in that thread. Really fucking weak.

After which, @GorillaMan (GorillaMan) added

    “You started it”
    
    “No, _you_ started it”
    
    _slap_
    
    “ _ **He**_ started it”  
    :rolleyes:

So @SolGrundy (SolGrundy) replied

    Dude, seriously. Unclench.
    
    I already explained in that thread, but for the sake of your blood pressure and internet posterity I'll explain again:
    
    First: leave **matt_mcl** out of the Homos Against Duffer conspiracy. He was _on your side_ , trying to explain to me what you meant by “the virus.”
    
    Second: my comment was because it seemed to me that you have some axe to grind against the United Front of Gay Dopers who are all aligned against you and your refreshingly anti-PC attitude. I was complaining that it seemed to me that you manage to turn any thread involving a homo into A Gay Issue. I read the first line of your post, assumed that was what was going on, and fired off a one-liner. By doing so, _I_ turned that thread into A Gay Issue. Then you replied about how matt_mcl, Otto, and I are somehow all aligned against you because we're all part of the cock-loving Offenderati.
    
    Third: the four-way clusterfuck multi-tiered irony of all that is going to have dire implications on the amount of entropy in the universe.
    
    So my advice is to relax. Not because Frankie says to, but because it's the right the thing to do. As far as I know, there is no consolidated movement among the SDMB homos to gang up on you. If there is, they haven't gotten in touch with me about it. And I'd tell you if there were, because I got your back. But not in that way.

After which, @MysteryFellow63427 (MysteryFellow63427) added

    **matt_mcl** 's “moron boy” comment was unclear at best, but it looks like all of you are involved in some ridiculous pissing match that bears no further scrutiny by mortals.
    
    I sentence you all to timeouts in the corner. **duffer** , you get the longest time out because you started another thread on this stupid crap.

To which @duffer (duffer) replied

    Yeah, I suppose that's what it is. I just take the overall allusion of me sloughing off AIDS victims and the implied bullshit that I hate gays in threads like this very personally.
    
    I don't hate gays. I was offering a way to really fuck with a true asshole, whether straight or otherwise.
    
    Then I get attacked with the bullshit of how I hate gays. By two gay Dopers that I've had limited confrontations with. And after those confrontations I thought we were back to neutral. I read many threads and get into some very heated arguments. (Yes, I usually lose them, but let's not allow the facts to get in the way).
    
    What the fuck is in my post in that thread deserving of a double smack-down by two Doper's that want to accuse me of bringing up AIDS?
    
    Any mention of AIDS in the thread was made before me. And I directly asked for people to take note of that.
    
    I specifically asked for people to look past it. Maybe it was too much to ask for based on my name?

So @Larry_Mudd (Larry Mudd) replied

    duffer:
    
    > What the fuck is in my post in that thread deserving of a double smack-down by two Doper's that want to accuse me of bringing up AIDS?
    
    Absolutely nothing. I don't think that's in dispute.
    
    You've got to take a breath though, and recognize that only one Doper made that error. Placing **matt** in an adversarial role for no reason is probably counter to your interests. Yes, it was a gauche error. You probably could have made your point a little more compellingly if your reaction was a bit more measured. I don't think anyone who's actually read it could think that there is anything less than nicey-nicey in your first post in that thread.
    
    I'd say you have a more emphatic apology coming from **Sol** , but it's awfully hard to see one coming when you start acting like a dick _after_ the slight was made. Everything just gets more and more bellicose when we could all be having a group hug by now. It's tragic.

@duffer (duffer) replied

    SolGrundy:
    
    > Dude, seriously. Unclench.
    
    Done.
    
    solgrundy:
    
    > First: leave **matt_mcl** out of the Homos Against Duffer conspiracy. He was _on your side_ , trying to explain to me what you meant by “the virus.”
    
    Well, I have a tendency to defend myself before allowing the attacker to smooth it over. Cite would be the OP.
    
    I take into account what you're saying here, along with what I've seen of **Matt** as well as yourself in other threads.
    
    I know we have differences, but I've never seen anything that would warrant such an attack. I have no idea what either of you meant by the posts, but I took it very personally.
    
    I didn't mention anything about “The Virus” in a dereogatory way. I was pointing out that it may not be the greatest thing to give a shout-out when splaying blood on strangers.
    
    Read the post again while holding your thumb over my username. If you can't see the humor in doing what I proposed, I have lost everything.  
    But seriously, if anyone even tries to project on me that I take AIDS lightly, I have a major fucking problem. You have a better shot at living if you punch my sister in the head than saying I'd joke about and AIDS patient.

Then @duffer (duffer) said

    Larry Mudd:
    
    > I'd say you have a more emphatic apology coming from **Sol** , but it's awfully hard to see one coming when you start acting like a dick _after_ the slight was made. Everything just gets more and more bellicose when we could all be having a group hug by now. It's tragic.
    
    Somebody saw this before me? I'm shocked! Shocked!!
    
    This ain't gonna end well, is it?  
    I'll join in the the hug, though. If anyone will have me.

@duffer (duffer) replied

    BTW, this is sort of pointles now. Can someone report it so it can die the quick death it should enjoy?
    
    No?
    
    Lok folks. It's this or a Bush thread. You pick.
    
    This should be locked in about 8 minutes.

Then @Banquet_Bear (Banquet Bear) said

    duffer:
    
    > Somebody saw this before me? I'm shocked! Shocked!!
    > 
    > This ain't gonna end well, is it?  
    >  I'll join in the the hug, though. If anyone will have me. 
    
    8b7c:f320:99b9:690f:4595:cd17:293a:c069 …hugs duffer 8b7c:f320:99b9:690f:4595:cd17:293a:c069

So @SolGrundy (SolGrundy) replied

    neuroman:
    
    > all of you are involved in some ridiculous pissing match that bears no further scrutiny by mortals.
    
    No shit. You think?
    
    But it's not a pissing match, it was a battle between me and duffer over who has the bigger persecution complex. I think he won in the end, but I came out fighting strong and was making it neck and neck for a while there.

@Larry_Mudd (Larry Mudd) replied

    Almost there, **Sol** …

To which @duffer (duffer) replied

    **Sol** , I gotta give you one here.
    
    “I ain't no queer, but if I ever had to have a dick in my mouth…”  
    I trust you get the humor. If not, call me. Please?

To which @SolGrundy (SolGrundy) replied

    Larry Mudd:
    
    > Almost there, **Sol** … 
    
    Sorry, Larry, but my saying three times (now four) that I made a hypocritical complaint is about as “emphatic” as you're going to get from me. If I responded to four "fuck you"s and worse, being called Otto's “minion,” with hugs and apologies, then people would think I've gone soft, like some kind of queer.

So @Larry_Mudd (Larry Mudd) replied

    I won't press the point, then. It's late and I'm goofy.
    
    (I'd appreciate it if all parties could pass on any opportunities for jocular innuendo, there.)

@UrbanChic (UrbanChic) replied

    duffer:
    
    > If not, call me. Please? 
    
    I'm tempted to attribute my amusement at this line to the fact that I haven't had any coffee yet, but this is hilarious. Who knew you had a sense of humor?

After which, @TVeblen (TVeblen) added

    duffer:
    
    > This should be locked in about 8 minutes.
    
    There, there. We gave it some extra time because it could have evolved into…something. But it didn't. Oh well.
    
    Locked.


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