@Ron_Lagerquist (Ron Lagerquist) posted a new topic, subject "When did you start to feel energy?". It read:

   I am in 37 days. I can have a good day here and there but man I feel tired and foggy. From reading here I get it can take some real time to adapt. Like three months. And I'm willing to wait cus I know it will be worth it. I will say that just this last week my sleep greatly improved. This is HUGE!! Because of anxiety I had a very hard time sleeping for the last 18 months. I almost wonder if because I had such little sleep, I feel so tired because my body is catching up. Like it's in repair mode.  
    Anyway, my question is how long did it take for you to start to feel real energy and mental clarity?

To which @David_Stilley (Full Metal KETO AF) replied

    About five days. I felt 100% different that day. A month or so later I was feeling even better, with some spring in my step. Make sure you're getting enough fat and salt. I think some of us go in feeling worse so when the glycogen stores are depleted and we get past the carb addiction withdrawal it's more obvious to us. Others may not get jacked the same way. I hope your energy picks up soon.

So @Keto6468 (Karen) replied

    I never did

@atomicspacebunny (Bunny) replied

    Ron_Lagerquist:
    
    > Anyway, my question is how long did it take for you to start to feel real energy and mental clarity?
    
    Here are some things that give me way more energy especially more mental clarity that are immediate at any intersecting point:
    
    Leafy greens and peppers are the secret; when you throw your dietary fat and protein on top of that you get butyrate (or I would have to get it from grass fed butter) and thats when the magic happens with the energy and potassium.
    
    That is why leafy greens and peppers are so important, however I don't eat them every time I eat; which could be a day later, maybe two days later, I eat very randomly and when I actually feel hungry which is proportionate and in proper ratios.
    
    I'm starting to realize on a personal note from long-term experience that dietary fat and body fat alone are not sustainable for energy on a ketogenic diet with-out the fiber, including micro-nutrients.
    
    The other main ingredients I consistently use without deviation are wheat grass powder, non-fortified brewers yeast, non-fortified nutritional yeast and chia seeds, I find it easier to incorporate them into fat bombs made of MCT oil salt and cacao rather then putting them in gel caps or sprinkling on a salad. I eat these things very sparingly. If you are missing any vitamins, minerals, trace elements (micro-nutrients) that pretty much covers it from A to Z and better than manufactured vitamins.
    
    If I don't do everything I'm outlining in this post for long periods of time, I just feel straight out weird (super freaky) like something is wrong or not quite right?
    
    I wanted to give an example of energy and thought a cow or bull would be a good example although they are mostly an herbivore, they still like marine life, bugs and meat too. But if all you fed them was meat and fat (you would never be able to keep up with that type of energy demand in livestock feed?) or did not constantly supply them with meat and fat they would probably fall over dead from lack of energy? It is said herbivores don't go into a human type of ketosis but I don't think that's true if you consider butyrate?

So @HeidiSnow replied

    Keto6468:
    
    > never did
    
    Me neither. But I didn't have low energy to begin with, and I don't think I was ever insulin resistant. So starting point probably has a lot to do with it.

@gingersmommy (Marianne) replied

    atomicspacebunny:
    
    > The other main ingredients I consistently use without deviation are wheat grass powder, non-fortified brewers yeast, non-fortified nutritional yeast and chia seeds, I find it easier to incorporate them into fat bombs made of MCT oil salt and cacao
    
    Interesting. I eat very little vegetables and don't take a multivitamin because they are so huge. I will start eating peppers and more salad. I am starting to worry that I'm not getting enough vitamins/nutrients. (My hair has been falling out nonstop for about 15 months - before keto).
    
    Can you give us the proportions of these things and recipe for your nutritional fat bombs?

Then @atomicspacebunny (Bunny) said

    This is just basic recipe template of what I use for fat bombs so you could engineer/modify it any way you want or add other things beneficial to you:
    
    > **SUPER ATOMIC SPACE BUNNY FAT BOMB RECIPE:**
    
    > Unsweetened cacao (or cocoa, cacao is more nutritious though?) powder or solid (2 Tbs. or more)
    
    > MCT oil (1/2 Cup)
    
    > Pure coconut fat (half cup)
    
    > Non-fortified nutritional yeast (1 Tsp.)
    
    > Wheat grass powder (1 Tbs.)
    
    > Unsweetened coconut flakes (1 Cup)
    
    > Ground sunflower seeds (1 Cup)
    
    > Ground chia seeds (1 Tbs.)
    
    > Non-fortified Brewers Yeast (1 Tbs.) (or toast in frying pan or oven; you want to inactivate or kill the yeast)
    
    > Unflavored gelatin (couple of packets)
    
    > Lions Mane Mushroom Powder (1 Tbs.)
    
    > Monk Fruit to sweeten (sweeten to your liking?)
    
    > Use double broiler to melt all ingredients together then place in molds if you want? Then place in the freezer and after they are frozen transfer to a freezer baggie.
    
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Then @RightNOW (PJ) said

    That recipe… looks terrifying. Green grass powder, cacao powder and mushroom powder? What does this come out tasting like?

After which, @atomicspacebunny (Bunny) added

    I don't eat them for the taste or the pleasure of the palate that's where the monk fruit comes in handy…lol
    
    I use them very sparingly or once in a great while!

@RightNOW (PJ) replied

    atomicspacebunny:
    
    > I don't eat them for the taste or the pleasure of the palate that's where the monk fruit comes in handy…lol
    
    OMG you're one of those! “Yes, I only use the cat-O-nine whip on myself because the suffering is good for me.”

Then @atomicspacebunny (Bunny) said

    I second the motion!

To which @ava_ad0re (Katie the Quiche Scoffing Stick Ninja ) replied

    6 weeks exactly.

So @BeStill replied

    Almost 3 months…but my sleep was so bad while becoming adapted that it could've been a factor.

Then @Rclause (Scott) said

    I think it was on a Tuesday a year an three months ago. 
    
    A little off topic but several years ago a good friends aunt was selling her house and moving in with her niece. The person buying the house asked “when did you move in to that house?” Without hesitation she replied September 1963 on a Sunday, it was raining. I think she even said the exact day too. She was 102 at the time and had been living alone. She is 104 now and still has an amazing memory.

After which, @Ron_Lagerquist (Ron Lagerquist) added

    Wow, you rock! That is so nutritious!

@Ron_Lagerquist (Ron Lagerquist) replied

    Yes this is partly my problem. So glad to hear that sleep is better now. It would seem the 3 month mark is where many here started to feel great. I know that being 58 years old means I may fat adapt a little slower.

Then @Shortstuff (Allie) said

    Not everyone gets it.  
    I've still not noticed a difference and am in my fifth year…

After which, @gingersmommy (Marianne) added

    Thank you for posting this - you could probably market these under that name!!! Do you get a lot of the ingredients in a health food store? Do you grind your own chia seeds and other?
    
    So, you feel this is worth the effort? Never made fat bombs and I'm sure I will love them (afraid too much). I will have to freeze them and not tell my husband because he used to binge on candy (although being thin). I was big but never ate candy or sweets to the degree that he did. I always preferred “food.”

So @gingersmommy (Marianne) replied

    atomicspacebunny:
    
    > I use them very sparingly or once in a great while!
    
    How often should someone have one - especially if their body (and hair folicles) need something?

@gingersmommy (Marianne) replied

    RightNOW:
    
    > That recipe… looks terrifying.


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