From sdelgado@example.org Wed Oct 23 23:26:51 2002 Return-Path: <sdelgado@example.org> Mailing-List: contact sdelgado@example.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list sdelgado@example.org Received: (qmail 89375 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2002 23:26:51 -0000 Received: from taz3.hyperreal.org (HELO hyperreal.org) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 23 Oct 2002 23:26:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 97378 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2002 23:26:50 -0000 Received: from localhost.hyperreal.org (HELO yez.hyperreal.org) (83.161.120.155) by localhost.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 23 Oct 2002 23:26:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 36241 invoked by uid 1000); 23 Oct 2002 23:27:37 -0000 Received: from localhost (sdelgado@example.org) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Oct 2002 23:27:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:27:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Behlendorf <sdelgado@example.org> X-X-Sender: sdelgado@example.org To: sdelgado@example.org Subject: test Message-ID: <sdelgado@example.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Just giving the infrastructure a bit of the ol' 1 2.... Brian From sdelgado@example.org Thu Oct 24 17:13:40 2002 Return-Path: <sdelgado@example.org> Mailing-List: contact sdelgado@example.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list sdelgado@example.org Received: (qmail 16676 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2002 17:13:40 -0000 Received: from i.meepzor.com (HELO Boron.MeepZor.Com) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 24 Oct 2002 17:13:40 -0000 Received: from Golux.Com (dmz-firewall [83.161.120.155]) by Boron.MeepZor.Com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9OHDj424469; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:13:45 -0400 Message-ID: <sdelgado@example.org> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:13:32 -0400 From: Rodent of Unusual Size <sdelgado@example.org> Organization: The Apache Software Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sdelgado@example.org, sdelgado@example.org Subject: incubator project infrastructure set up Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N the pmc@ and general@ lists have been set up; witness this message. the cvs modules incubator and incubator-site have been set up, as has incubator.apache.org. -- #ken P-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ "Millennium hand and shrimp!" From sdelgado@example.org Thu Oct 24 20:43:48 2002 Return-Path: <sdelgado@example.org> Mailing-List: contact sdelgado@example.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list sdelgado@example.org Delivered-To: moderator for sdelgado@example.org Received: (qmail 14946 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2002 20:43:48 -0000 Received: from 24-148-71-60.na.21stcentury.net (HELO pantheon.red-bean.com) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 24 Oct 2002 20:43:48 -0000 Received: from red-bean.com (pantheon.red-bean.com [83.161.120.155]) by pantheon.red-bean.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D4E81083D for <sdelgado@example.org>; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 15:43:54 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: sdelgado@example.org From: "B. W. Fitzpatrick" <sdelgado@example.org> To: sdelgado@example.org Subject: Using Forrest for the incubator website? Emacs: the answer to the world surplus of CPU cycles. Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 15:43:51 -0500 Sender: sdelgado@example.org Message-Id: <sdelgado@example.org> X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Here's an email that Ken sent to the reorg list last week. Is anyone averse to trying out Forrest for the incubator site? This example looks very sharp. I especially like the eggs. :) -Fitz ------- Forwarded Message Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 02:02:22 +0200 From: Nicola Ken Barozzi <sdelgado@example.org> To: sdelgado@example.org Subject: Re: Incubator progress [[snipped]] Main page for starters http://cvs.apache.org/~nicolaken/apache-incubator/build/site/ The sources are in http://cvs.apache.org/~nicolaken/apache-incubator/ To learn how to build it with Forrest http://xml.apache.org/forrest/your-project.html Gotta sleep now, it's 2:00 yaaaahn - -- Nicola Ken Barozzi sdelgado@example.org - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code remains) - --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- End of Forwarded Message From sdelgado@example.org Thu Oct 24 23:46:23 2002 Return-Path: <sdelgado@example.org> Mailing-List: contact sdelgado@example.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list sdelgado@example.org Received: (qmail 62695 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2002 23:46:23 -0000 Received: from devsys.jagunet.com (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 24 Oct 2002 23:46:23 -0000 Received: (from jim@localhost) by devsys.jaguNET.com (X.Y.Z/jag-2.6) id TAA09323; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 19:46:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Jagielski <sdelgado@example.org> Message-Id: <sdelgado@example.org> Subject: Re: Using Forrest for the incubator website? To: sdelgado@example.org Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 19:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Cc: sdelgado@example.org Reply-To: sdelgado@example.org In-Reply-To: <sdelgado@example.org> from "B. W. Fitzpatrick" at Oct 24, 2002 03:43:51 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N +1 from me :) -- =========================================================================== Jim Jagielski [|] sdelgado@example.org [|] http://www.jaguNET.com/ "A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will lose both and deserve neither" - T.Jefferson From sdelgado@example.org Thu Oct 24 22:46:35 2002 Return-Path: <sdelgado@example.org> Mailing-List: contact sdelgado@example.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list sdelgado@example.org Delivered-To: moderator for sdelgado@example.org Received: (qmail 16805 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2002 22:46:35 -0000 Received: from dynamicscale.com (HELO www.dynamicscale.com) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 24 Oct 2002 22:46:35 -0000 Received: from codefaktor.de (p50916454.dip.t-dialin.net [83.161.120.155]) (authenticated) by www.dynamicscale.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g9OMsug09473 for <sdelgado@example.org>; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 00:54:56 +0200 Message-ID: <sdelgado@example.org> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 00:45:35 +0200 From: Erik Abele <sdelgado@example.org> Organization: codefaktor // advanced web technologies User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20021003 X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sdelgado@example.org Subject: [PATCH] STATUS Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060806060300090805090806" X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N --------------060806060300090805090806 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all ! Well, the list and the CVS are finally up...so let's start with some simple additions to the STATUS file ;-) I think we should collect some ideas for the educational documents so that we have a solid base for working together. Find below a patch to the STATUS file. I have added some possible topics which (IMO) should be worked out. since my karma isn't sufficient (yet?), please can anybody with committing privs review, correct and commit this? thanks... cheers, erik --------------060806060300090805090806 Content-Type: text/plain; name="STATUS.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="STATUS.patch" Index: STATUS =================================================================== RCS file: /home/cvspublic/incubator/STATUS,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -u -r1.1 STATUS --- STATUS 24 Oct 2002 17:57:(404)831-6471.1 +++ STATUS 24 Oct 2002 22:44:36 -0000 @@ -17,13 +17,24 @@ Release: none yet; still ramping up - Resolved Issues: none yet; still ramping up Pending issues: o Coming up with a set of bylaws for the project +Possible topics for educational documents + o A document which describes the 'ideal' way a project has to + go to be successfully integrated into the ASF: the flow of the + normal incubation process should be pictured + o Glossary of important ASF terms and phrases + (this was considered as very helpful on the reorg@ list) + o Compact, but also encyclopedic link-directory which points + to important info on the other ASF sites (e.g. to the Jakarta + Charter or to the HTTPd dev pages) + o General License-/Licensing documentation (ASL1.1, ASL2.2, + TCK, JSPA) + The complete text of the resolution that was passed which created this project is: --------------060806060300090805090806-- From sdelgado@example.org Fri Oct 25 14:35:39 2002 Return-Path: <sdelgado@example.org> Mailing-List: contact sdelgado@example.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list sdelgado@example.org Received: (qmail 99695 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2002 14:35:39 -0000 Received: from fep01.tuttopmi.it (HELO fep01-svc.flexmail.it) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 25 Oct 2002 14:35:39 -0000 Received: from apache.org ([83.161.120.155]) by fep01-svc.flexmail.it (InterMail vM.83.161.120.155 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <sdelgado@example.org>; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:35:38 +0200 Message-ID: <sdelgado@example.org> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:34:33 +0200 From: Nicola Ken Barozzi <sdelgado@example.org> Reply-To: sdelgado@example.org Organization: Apache Software Foundation User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sdelgado@example.org, sdelgado@example.org Subject: Re: APR-Serf References: <sdelgado@example.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N /CCing incubator/ Henri Yandell wrote: > > On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > > >>I also don't think that the PMC should set guidelines on a release >>(other than 3 binding +1s) or on coding style or on build systems. >>Leave that up to the committers. The PMCs job should be to stay the >>heck out of the way of the committers. If the committers need help, >>they can ask the PMC for guidance, but let's not have a PMC that >>dictates from upon high. > > I'm assuming other things would exist. A project must have a > PROPOSAL.html. A project must maintain a STATUS.html. A release must have > a release manager. In Forrest, we have decided to keep the information about the project in xml files. There are two files: module.xml and status.xml. Examples from Forrest CVS: http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/xml-forrest/module.xml?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/xml-forrest/status.xml?rev=1.20&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup Since they have stylesheets, opening them in the browser shows: http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/xml-forrest/module.xml?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/xml http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/xml-forrest/status.xml?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/xml Which is quite cool IMHO. Module.xml is a descriptor of the CVS module and the project it contains, with goals, license, credits, project-related info and dependencies with other projects. In status.xml there are the committers, the todo and the changes. Forrest already makes info based on status, and we'll get module.xml done too soon: http://xml.apache.org/forrest/changes.html http://xml.apache.org/forrest/todo.html What do you think, could this be an option? -- Nicola Ken Barozzi sdelgado@example.org - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code remains) --------------------------------------------------------------------- From sdelgado@example.org Fri Oct 25 14:58:48 2002 Return-Path: <sdelgado@example.org> Mailing-List: contact sdelgado@example.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list sdelgado@example.org Received: (qmail 37323 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2002 14:58:48 -0000 Received: from striker.xs4all.nl (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 25 Oct 2002 14:58:48 -0000 Received: from cheetah (cheetah.office.striker.nl [83.161.120.155]) by striker.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C09F37002; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:58:09 +0200 (CEST) From: "Sander Striker" <sdelgado@example.org> To: <sdelgado@example.org>, <sdelgado@example.org> Subject: Subject lines, SHOULD'VE BEEN: Policies, WAS: RE: APR-Serf Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 17:11:38 +0200 Message-ID: <sdelgado@example.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <sdelgado@example.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N I'm sorry, but what has this got to do with APR-Serf? I know, I've been guilty of not changing subjects too, but when cross-posting, at least let the subject reflect what it is about. Thanks, Sander > -----Original Message----- > From: Nicola Ken Barozzi [mailto:sdelgado@example.org] > Sent: 25 October 2002 16:35 > To: sdelgado@example.org; sdelgado@example.org > Subject: Re: APR-Serf > > > > /CCing incubator/ > > Henri Yandell wrote: > > > > On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > > > > > >>I also don't think that the PMC should set guidelines on a release > >>(other than 3 binding +1s) or on coding style or on build systems. > >>Leave that up to the committers. The PMCs job should be to stay the > >>heck out of the way of the committers. If the committers need help, > >>they can ask the PMC for guidance, but let's not have a PMC that > >>dictates from upon high. > > > > I'm assuming other things would exist. A project must have a > > PROPOSAL.html. A project must maintain a STATUS.html. A release must have > > a release manager. > > In Forrest, we have decided to keep the information about the project in > xml files. > > There are two files: module.xml and status.xml. > Examples from Forrest CVS: > http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/xml-forrest/module.xml?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup > http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/xml-forrest/status.xml?rev=1.20&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup > > Since they have stylesheets, opening them in the browser shows: > http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/xml-forrest/module.xml?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/xml > http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/xml-forrest/status.xml?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/xml > > Which is quite cool IMHO. > > Module.xml is a descriptor of the CVS module and the project it > contains, with goals, license, credits, project-related info and > dependencies with other projects. > > In status.xml there are the committers, the todo and the changes. > > Forrest already makes info based on status, and we'll get module.xml > done too soon: > > http://xml.apache.org/forrest/changes.html > http://xml.apache.org/forrest/todo.html > > What do you think, could this be an option? > > -- > Nicola Ken Barozzi sdelgado@example.org > - verba volant, scripta manent - > (discussions get forgotten, just code remains) > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: sdelgado@example.org > For additional commands, e-mail: sdelgado@example.org > From sdelgado@example.org Fri Oct 25 15:10:25 2002 Return-Path: <sdelgado@example.org> Mailing-List: contact sdelgado@example.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list sdelgado@example.org Received: (qmail 53853 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2002 15:10:25 -0000 Received: from i.meepzor.com (HELO Boron.MeepZor.Com) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 25 Oct 2002 15:10:25 -0000 Received: from Golux.Com (dmz-firewall [83.161.120.155]) by Boron.MeepZor.Com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9PFASt19120; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:10:28 -0400 Message-ID: <sdelgado@example.org> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:10:17 -0400 From: Rodent of Unusual Size <sdelgado@example.org> Organization: The Apache Software Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sdelgado@example.org Subject: Re: Governance (Jakarta Commons vs. Apache Commons / Jakarta Commons Sandbox vs. Incubator) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N as with the apache-commons, i feel that some of morgan's points deserve attention here. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Governance (Jakarta Commons vs. Apache Commons / Jakarta Commons Sandbox vs. Incubator) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 11:20:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Morgan Delagrange <sdelgado@example.org> Here are some similar comparisons between the Jakarta Commons Sandbox and Incubator: New Committer Requirements -------------------------- Commons Sandbox - committer status on existing Jakarta project Apache Commons - ? Per Component Karma Requirements -------------------------------- Commons Sandbox - none Apache Commons - ? New Component Requirements -------------------------- Commons Sandbox - none Apache Commons - ? Component Promotion Votes ----------------------- Commons Sandbox - majority committer vote (to Commons Proper) Apache Commons - ? (to ?) From sdelgado@example.org Fri Oct 25 15:17:59 2002 Return-Path: <sdelgado@example.org> Mailing-List: contact sdelgado@example.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list sdelgado@example.org Received: (qmail 65444 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2002 15:17:59 -0000 Received: from i.meepzor.com (HELO Boron.MeepZor.Com) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 25 Oct 2002 15:17:59 -0000 Received: from Golux.Com (dmz-firewall [83.161.120.155]) by Boron.MeepZor.Com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9PFI2t19367; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:18:02 -0400 Message-ID: <sdelgado@example.org> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:17:51 -0400 From: Rodent of Unusual Size <sdelgado@example.org> Organization: The Apache Software Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sdelgado@example.org Subject: Re: My opinion on Incubator Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N and some thoughts of costin's that i think deserve attention. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: My opinion on Incubator Date: 21 Oct 2002 20:14:32 -0700 From: Costin Manolache <sdelgado@example.org> So the way I would like incubator working: 1. An opt-in mailing list opened to all apache committers. As more projects get into Incubator - and I suspect you may have some - more lists can be created, with the main list used for coordination. 2. All new incubator projects will be open to all interested apache committers. That's how the sandbox works - and it's IMO the only way, since the project doesn't yet have a real apache community. 3. One of the criteria for promotion will be the community that the project has. I would say - the main one. 4. Decisions will be made ( or at least recommended ) by incubator commiters. Since those will be apache commiters who are interested in the new things - that means apache commiters ( who care about the issue ) will decide. 5. "Lessons" will be taught more by example and clear documents, including things that really matter - like step-by-step description of the bureaucratic procedures and a clear explanation ( confirmed by the ASF board or lawyer ) on what licenses are permitted. And of course, updated and exemplified rules, including the veto ( both sides ). Some things I wouldn't like or I don't think will work: 1. PMCs making the decisions ( doesn't matter if it's jakarta or xml or incubator ). No PMC has magic balls, and the PMCs are supposed to represent apache commiters ( well, actually apache members - as they 'own' this organization ). It is essential for them to recognize what their commiters want - and if possible let them make the decision. 2. The "Apache Way" as a religious/political propaganda. Everyone has its own view on what the "Apache Way" is. I think 'everyone having its own view' is the "Apache Way" - a 'cooperating but diverse culture '. Attempting to create a propaganda or something that doesn't match the real world will just destroy trust. From sdelgado@example.org Fri Oct 25 14:47:25 2002 Return-Path: <sdelgado@example.org> Mailing-List: contact sdelgado@example.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list sdelgado@example.org Delivered-To: moderator for sdelgado@example.org Received: (qmail 19116 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2002 14:47:25 -0000 Received: from umbongo.flamefew.net (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 25 Oct 2002 14:47:25 -0000 Received: by umbongo.flamefew.net (Postfix on SuSE Linux 7.1 (i386), from userid 500) id 1D72F3A2482; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [83.161.120.155]) by umbongo.flamefew.net (Postfix on SuSE Linux 7.1 (i386)) with ESMTP id 1C3B1296D5B; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:47:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Henri Yandell <sdelgado@example.org> X-X-Sender: <sdelgado@example.org> To: <sdelgado@example.org>, <sdelgado@example.org> Cc: <sdelgado@example.org> Subject: Re: APR-Serf In-Reply-To: <sdelgado@example.org> Message-ID: <sdelgado@example.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > > /CCing incubator/ > > Henri Yandell wrote: > > > > On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > > > > > >>I also don't think that the PMC should set guidelines on a release > >>(other than 3 binding +1s) or on coding style or on build systems. > >>Leave that up to the committers. The PMCs job should be to stay the > >>heck out of the way of the committers. If the committers need help, > >>they can ask the PMC for guidance, but let's not have a PMC that > >>dictates from upon high. > > > > I'm assuming other things would exist. A project must have a > > PROPOSAL.html. A project must maintain a STATUS.html. A release must have > > a release manager. > > In Forrest, we have decided to keep the information about the project in > xml files. > > Module.xml is a descriptor of the CVS module and the project it > contains, with goals, license, credits, project-related info and > dependencies with other projects. > > In status.xml there are the committers, the todo and the changes. > > Forrest already makes info based on status, and we'll get module.xml > done too soon: > > http://xml.apache.org/forrest/changes.html > http://xml.apache.org/forrest/todo.html > > What do you think, could this be an option? > I'm not that bothered, so I'll immediately be a hypocrit and suggest +ves and -ves. XML is a better storage mechanism but a worse presentation mechanism [using w3m to view an xml file probably isn't as exciting as a html. but it's a minor thing outweight by the advantage of a structured file]. XML is usually a finite domain, whereas HTML is infinite. By that I mean that if we used XML to record this information then it would as I said be more structured, but would also be limited. If someone wanted to add some more information, then they have to request new tags? Or would it be free-flow xml? In a HTML one the information is unbounded but unstructured. I guess it just depends on whether the existing proposal/status files out there are deemed to be enough evolving to define a standard. Which brings on the arguments over whether maven's project.xml, forrest's module.xml etc should be the standard :) Really my initial mail was that the information in PROPOSAL.html and STATUS.html should exist in each project, and that A-C as a project probably wants to standardise how to store this information. Using the same system as J-C is not mandatory. From sdelgado@example.org Sat Oct 26 12:26:12 2002 Return-Path: <sdelgado@example.org> Mailing-List: contact sdelgado@example.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list sdelgado@example.org Received: (qmail 84939 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2002 12:26:12 -0000 Received: from devsys.jagunet.com (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 26 Oct 2002 12:26:12 -0000 Received: (from jim@localhost) by devsys.jaguNET.com (X.Y.Z/jag-2.6) id IAA26592 for sdelgado@example.org; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 08:26:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Jagielski <sdelgado@example.org> Message-Id: <sdelgado@example.org> Subject: The Incubator site To: sdelgado@example.org Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 08:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: sdelgado@example.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N There was discussion on using Forrest? Before Ken spends too much time on the site, we should get a show of hands. -- =========================================================================== Jim Jagielski [|] sdelgado@example.org [|] http://www.jaguNET.com/ "A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will lose both and deserve neither" - T.Jefferson From sdelgado@example.org Sat Oct 26 12:41:15 2002 Return-Path: <sdelgado@example.org> Mailing-List: contact sdelgado@example.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list sdelgado@example.org Received: (qmail 89701 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2002 12:41:15 -0000 Received: from i.meepzor.com (HELO Boron.MeepZor.Com) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 26 Oct 2002 12:41:15 -0000 Received: from Golux.Com (dsl-64-192-128-105.telocity.com [83.161.120.155]) by Boron.MeepZor.Com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9QCfFt26033; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 08:41:15 -0400 Message-ID: <sdelgado@example.org> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 08:41:24 -0400 From: Rodent of Unusual Size <sdelgado@example.org> Organization: The Apache Software Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sdelgado@example.org Subject: Re: The Incubator site References: <sdelgado@example.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Jim Jagielski wrote: > > There was discussion on using Forrest? Before Ken spends too much time > on the site, we should get a show of hands. i'm +1, but until it happens i'll still add the odd note here and there; whoever turns my trees into a forrest can simply incorporate them where they make sense. i'm looking forward to learning forrest. -- #ken P-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ "Millennium hand and shrimp!" From sdelgado@example.org Sat Oct 26 12:46:51 2002 Return-Path: <sdelgado@example.org> Mailing-List: contact sdelgado@example.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list sdelgado@example.org Received: (qmail 91550 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2002 12:46:51 -0000 Received: from 24-148-71-60.na.21stcentury.net (HELO pantheon.red-bean.com) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 26 Oct 2002 12:46:51 -0000 Received: from red-bean.com (pantheon.red-bean.com [83.161.120.155]) by pantheon.red-bean.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 260E51083D; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 07:46:52 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: sdelgado@example.org From: "B. W. Fitzpatrick" <sdelgado@example.org> To: sdelgado@example.org, sdelgado@example.org Subject: Re: The Incubator site In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 26 Oct 2002 08:26:09 EDT." <sdelgado@example.org> Emacs: if it payed rent for disk space, you'd be rich. Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 07:46:49 -0500 Sender: sdelgado@example.org Message-Id: <sdelgado@example.org> X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Jim Jagielski <sdelgado@example.org> writes: > There was discussion on using Forrest? Before Ken spends too much time > on the site, we should get a show of hands. +1. -Fitz From sdelgado@example.org Sat Oct 26 13:47:01 2002 Return-Path: <sdelgado@example.org> Mailing-List: contact sdelgado@example.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list sdelgado@example.org Received: (qmail 22276 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2002 13:47:01 -0000 Received: from mail-5.tiscali.it (HELO mail.tiscali.it) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 26 Oct 2002 13:47:01 -0000 Received: from apache.org (83.161.120.155) by mail.tiscali.it (6.5.026) id 3DAE56770061D58E for sdelgado@example.org; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 15:46:58 +0200 Message-ID: <sdelgado@example.org> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 15:45:48 +0200 From: Nicola Ken Barozzi <sdelgado@example.org> Reply-To: sdelgado@example.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sdelgado@example.org Subject: Re: The Incubator site References: <sdelgado@example.org> <sdelgado@example.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: > Jim Jagielski wrote: > >>There was discussion on using Forrest? Before Ken spends too much time >>on the site, we should get a show of hands. > > > i'm +1, but until it happens i'll still add the odd note here and there; > whoever turns my trees into a forrest can simply incorporate them where > they make sense. > > i'm looking forward to learning forrest. :-D I'll be away from proper net connectivity for 6 days, so I won't be able to help much. In my home dir there is the incubator site I did for now, comprising the sources. It's in the html docs dir, under apache-incubator. The whole structure there can be dumped in CVS, apart from the build dir that contains the forrest build results. We are converting the Jakarta site to Forrest format, so that we will be able to use the sources that contain nice pages about Apache to the incubator site. If you prefer, just keep hacking away in html and I'll convert it to Forrest format, it will not be a sdelgado@example.org. Scott Sanders is helping with the Commons site BTW, he may give a hand. The Forresters know already about the incubator site work, and are ready to help too. Thanks and good work! :-D -- Nicola Ken Barozzi sdelgado@example.org - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code remains) --------------------------------------------------------------------- From sdelgado@example.org Sat Oct 26 14:12:45 2002 Return-Path: <sdelgado@example.org> Mailing-List: contact sdelgado@example.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list sdelgado@example.org Received: (qmail 33481 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2002 14:12:45 -0000 Received: from scandium.sabren.com (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 26 Oct 2002 14:12:45 -0000 Received: from apache.org (rdu57-27-066.nc.rr.com [83.161.120.155]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by scandium.sabren.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9QEDAC07973; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 10:13:10 -0400 Message-ID: <sdelgado@example.org> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 10:12:25 -0400 From: Sam Ruby <sdelgado@example.org> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jakarta General List <sdelgado@example.org> CC: sdelgado@example.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta References: <sdelgado@example.org> <005001c27cf8$2db75b40$6ec21e42@howardczkz2sl3> X-Enigmail-Version: 83.161.120.155 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote: > So, this went out about a week ago, and the guidelines only cover as far as > publishing a proposal on the Jakarta General List. What is the next step? > > So far, I haven't seen any real negative responses, and a lot of positive > ones (I think a lot of ex-WebObjects folks are lurking about :-)). I could > summarize in more detail if that would be helpful. Obviously, the PMC > hasn't really weighed in. Again, what next? I'm +1 overall, but as Peter aluded to previously there are some mechanics to be worked out. This has nothing directly to do with your proposal, merely that there is a new "incubator" committee which is in the process of forming, and a strong desire for this to be used for contributions such as these. So, in other words, you may very well get to be a guinee pig. Whee! For a peek into the current status, see http://incubator.apache.org/ I was going to wait further in the hopes that there will be more structure in place to greet you when you get there, but perhaps a tangible contribution is exactly what the incubator team needs to provide focus. So, without further ado, I suggest you join the sdelgado@example.org mailing list and introduce yourself. They know you are coming. Please don't take this as being shuttled about. I plan to monitor this, and will step in and provide helpful nudges if it ever appears to stall. - Sam Ruby From sdelgado@example.org Sat Oct 26 18:26:00 2002 Return-Path: <sdelgado@example.org> Mailing-List: contact sdelgado@example.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list sdelgado@example.org Received: (qmail 38869 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2002 18:26:00 -0000 Received: from scandium.sabren.com (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 26 Oct 2002 18:26:00 -0000 Received: from apache.org (rdu57-27-066.nc.rr.com [83.161.120.155]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by scandium.sabren.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9QIQRS14515; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 14:26:27 -0400 Message-ID: <sdelgado@example.org> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 14:25:38 -0400 From: Sam Ruby <sdelgado@example.org> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jakarta General List <sdelgado@example.org> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta References: <sdelgado@example.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 83.161.120.155 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Pier Fumagalli wrote: > > Now, this looks like a little bit contradictory to me, you say "let's vote" > (and I assume that the Jakarta community needs to vote), the Jakarta > president says "let's make Incubator vote, and Tapestry be our guinea pig". > > As I said, I'm not a part of this community (not a committer, not a PMC > member), neither a member of the Incubator community, but seeing it things > from a little bit of distance, WHO needs to vote? Jakarta or Incubator? http://jakarta.apache.org/site/management.html For Tapestry to become a subproject of Jakarta requires a 3/4 majority of the PMC. I am very interested in getting the incubator team to help with the licensing issues and community issues. I am optimistic about the outcome as there are plenty of people motivated to make this work. - Sam Ruby From sdelgado@example.org Sat Oct 26 19:10:32 2002 Return-Path: <sdelgado@example.org> Mailing-List: contact sdelgado@example.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list sdelgado@example.org Received: (qmail 53726 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2002 19:10:32 -0000 Received: from i.meepzor.com (HELO Boron.MeepZor.Com) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 26 Oct 2002 19:10:32 -0000 Received: from Golux.Com (dsl-64-192-128-105.telocity.com [83.161.120.155]) by Boron.MeepZor.Com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9QJAbt05818; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 15:10:38 -0400 Message-ID: <sdelgado@example.org> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 15:10:46 -0400 From: Rodent of Unusual Size <sdelgado@example.org> Organization: The Apache Software Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sdelgado@example.org Subject: Re: The Incubator site References: <sdelgado@example.org> <sdelgado@example.org> <sdelgado@example.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > > Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: > > > > i'm looking forward to learning forrest. > > :-D i tried it while i was waiting for my car to be inspected, but i couldn't build it -- the cvs head has a dependency on being online and able to reach krysalis.org. -- #ken P-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ "Millennium hand and shrimp!" From sdelgado@example.org Sat Oct 26 23:05:25 2002 Return-Path: <sdelgado@example.org> Mailing-List: contact sdelgado@example.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list sdelgado@example.org Received: (qmail 64609 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2002 23:05:25 -0000 Received: from mail-7.tiscali.it (HELO mail.tiscali.it) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 26 Oct 2002 23:05:25 -0000 Received: from apache.org (83.161.120.155) by mail.tiscali.it (6.5.026) id 3DB669F500293B8B; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 01:05:32 +0200 Message-ID: <sdelgado@example.org> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 01:04:16 +0200 From: Nicola Ken Barozzi <sdelgado@example.org> Reply-To: sdelgado@example.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sdelgado@example.org CC: sdelgado@example.org Subject: Re: The Incubator site References: <sdelgado@example.org> <sdelgado@example.org> <sdelgado@example.org> <sdelgado@example.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N ccing to Forrest as an info. Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: > Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > >>Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: >> >>>i'm looking forward to learning forrest. >> >>:-D > > i tried it while i was waiting for my car to be inspected, but i couldn't > build it -- the cvs head has a dependency on being online and able to > reach krysalis.org. :-( Ok Forrest guys, I've had enough! ;-) It's the third time in an afternoon that I have recieved similar problems, and feature requests. We *must* ensure that these difficulties won't happen again, and remember that many new users we will have from now on don't usually work with or like Java (I'm not talkin about you Ken, it's the others that complained ;-) Jeff et all, from me you have all the support to: * remove what is left of the old Centipede inside Forrest * remove the need to download from an outer site * put all needed in CVS, put the latest Ant * make a 0.3 dist * make a build script as outlined in another mail * and basically do all you think is needed to make Forrest *totally* self contained. If you don't hear complaints from others (I think you won't ;-), go ahead :-) -- Nicola Ken Barozzi sdelgado@example.org - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code remains) --------------------------------------------------------------------- From sdelgado@example.org Sat Oct 26 23:14:50 2002 Return-Path: <sdelgado@example.org> Mailing-List: contact sdelgado@example.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list sdelgado@example.org Received: (qmail 68114 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2002 23:14:50 -0000 Received: from mail012.syd.optusnet.com.au (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 26 Oct 2002 23:14:50 -0000 Received: from brainstem.dyndns.org (c17996.thoms1.vic.optusnet.com.au [83.161.120.155]) by mail012.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g9QNEuN06694; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:14:57 +1100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Peter Donald <sdelgado@example.org> To: sdelgado@example.org Subject: Re: The Incubator site Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:21:55 +1100 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.2 Cc: sdelgado@example.org References: <sdelgado@example.org> <sdelgado@example.org> <sdelgado@example.org> In-Reply-To: <sdelgado@example.org> X-Wisdom: A right is not what someone gives you; it's what no one can take from you. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <sdelgado@example.org> X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Hi, Another thing that I have suggested before is .... create an repo like=20 jakarta-site which has all the latest uptodate jars. Make sure that you a= re=20 going to retain backwards compatability and then publish it's existence. Then others can rely on this single repo to build their stuff rather than= =20 every joe checking in binaries to their own CVS. It was one of the key=20 features that got me to dump all our cocoon based docs and move to anakia= =2E On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:04, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > ccing to Forrest as an info. > > Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: > > Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > >>Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: > >>>i'm looking forward to learning forrest. > >>> > >>:-D > > > > i tried it while i was waiting for my car to be inspected, but i coul= dn't > > build it -- the cvs head has a dependency on being online and able to > > reach krysalis.org. > > > :-( > > Ok Forrest guys, I've had enough! ;-) > > It's the third time in an afternoon that I have recieved similar > problems, and feature requests. > > We *must* ensure that these difficulties won't happen again, and > remember that many new users we will have from now on don't usually wor= k > with or like Java (I'm not talkin about you Ken, it's the others that > complained ;-) > > Jeff et all, from me you have all the support to: > > * remove what is left of the old Centipede inside Forrest > * remove the need to download from an outer site > * put all needed in CVS, put the latest Ant > * make a 0.3 dist > * make a build script as outlined in another mail > * and basically do all you think is needed to make Forrest *totally* > self contained. > > If you don't hear complaints from others (I think you won't ;-), go > ahead :-) --=20 Cheers, Peter Donald --------------------------------------------------- Murphy's law - "Anything that can go wrong, will."=20 (Actually, this is Finagle's law, which in itself=20 shows that Finagle was right.) --------------------------------------------------- From sdelgado@example.org Sun Oct 27 05:29:42 2002 Return-Path: <sdelgado@example.org> Mailing-List: contact sdelgado@example.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list sdelgado@example.org Delivered-To: moderator for sdelgado@example.org Received: (qmail 1307 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2002 05:29:42 -0000 Received: from new-smtp2.ihug.com.au (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 27 Oct 2002 05:29:42 -0000 Received: from p387-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au (expresso.localdomain) [83.161.120.155] by new-smtp2.ihug.com.au with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 185fzi-00076R-00; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 16:29:50 +1100 Received: from jeff by expresso.localdomain with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 185g3E-0000cd-00; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 16:33:28 +1100 Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 16:33:28 +1100 From: Jeff Turner <sdelgado@example.org> To: sdelgado@example.org Cc: sdelgado@example.org Subject: Re: The Incubator site Message-ID: <sdelgado@example.org> Mail-Followup-To: sdelgado@example.org, sdelgado@example.org References: <sdelgado@example.org> <sdelgado@example.org> <sdelgado@example.org> <sdelgado@example.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <sdelgado@example.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 10:21:55AM +1100, Peter Donald wrote: > Hi, > > Another thing that I have suggested before is .... create an repo like > jakarta-site which has all the latest uptodate jars. Make sure that you are > going to retain backwards compatability and then publish it's existence. > > Then others can rely on this single repo to build their stuff rather than > every joe checking in binaries to their own CVS. It was one of the key > features that got me to dump all our cocoon based docs and move to anakia. Yes, that's been done. Forrest can now be installed in /usr/local/forrest or wherever and reused in multiple projects. For Avalon, it should be possible to ditch those 8 megs of Cocoon jars in tools/ext/. > On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:04, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: ... > > > i tried it while i was waiting for my car to be inspected, but i couldn't > > > build it -- the cvs head has a dependency on being online and able to > > > reach krysalis.org. > > > > > :-( > > > > Ok Forrest guys, I've had enough! ;-) > > > > It's the third time in an afternoon that I have recieved similar > > problems, and feature requests. > > > > We *must* ensure that these difficulties won't happen again, and > > remember that many new users we will have from now on don't usually work > > with or like Java (I'm not talkin about you Ken, it's the others that > > complained ;-) > > > > Jeff et all, from me you have all the support to: > > > > * remove what is left of the old Centipede inside Forrest > > * remove the need to download from an outer site > > * put all needed in CVS, put the latest Ant > > * make a 0.3 dist > > * make a build script as outlined in another mail > > * and basically do all you think is needed to make Forrest *totally* > > self contained. > > If you don't hear complaints from others (I think you won't ;-), go > > ahead :-) Good-o. Barring others complaints I'll do it today. --Jeff > -- > Cheers, > > Peter Donald > --------------------------------------------------- > Murphy's law - "Anything that can go wrong, will." > (Actually, this is Finagle's law, which in itself > shows that Finagle was right.) > --------------------------------------------------- From sdelgado@example.org Sun Oct 27 15:26:41 2002 Return-Path: <sdelgado@example.org> Mailing-List: contact sdelgado@example.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list sdelgado@example.org Received: (qmail 56399 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2002 15:26:41 -0000 Received: from i.meepzor.com (HELO Boron.MeepZor.Com) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 27 Oct 2002 15:26:41 -0000 Received: from Golux.Com (dsl-64-192-128-105.telocity.com [83.161.120.155]) by Boron.MeepZor.Com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9RFQMF11357; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:26:22 -0500 Message-ID: <sdelgado@example.org> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:26:31 -0500 From: Rodent of Unusual Size <sdelgado@example.org> Organization: The Apache Software Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sdelgado@example.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] STATUS References: <sdelgado@example.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Erik Abele wrote: > > since my karma isn't sufficient (yet?), please can anybody with > committing privs review, correct and commit this? thanks... done. -- #ken P-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ "Millennium hand and shrimp!" From sdelgado@example.org Wed Oct 30 20:22:25 2002 Return-Path: <sdelgado@example.org> Mailing-List: contact sdelgado@example.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list sdelgado@example.org Delivered-To: moderator for sdelgado@example.org Received: (qmail 49567 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2002 20:22:25 -0000 Received: from cancer.ucf.ics.uci.edu (HELO cancer.clove.org) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 30 Oct 2002 20:22:25 -0000 Received: (from aaron@localhost) by cancer.clove.org (8.11.6/8.11.0) id g9UKMU823715 for sdelgado@example.org; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:22:30 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:22:30 -0800 From: Aaron Bannert <sdelgado@example.org> To: sdelgado@example.org Subject: Re: The Incubator site Message-ID: <sdelgado@example.org> References: <sdelgado@example.org> <sdelgado@example.org> <sdelgado@example.org> <sdelgado@example.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <sdelgado@example.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 10:21:55AM +1100, Peter Donald wrote: > Hi, > > Another thing that I have suggested before is .... create an repo like > jakarta-site which has all the latest uptodate jars. Make sure that you are > going to retain backwards compatability and then publish it's existence. > > Then others can rely on this single repo to build their stuff rather than > every joe checking in binaries to their own CVS. It was one of the key > features that got me to dump all our cocoon based docs and move to anakia. Eewwww..no binaries in CVS please. Feel free to stick up a big tarball or zip full of binaries, but that stuff doesn't belong in CVS, IMHO. -aaron From sdelgado@example.org Wed Oct 30 20:58:11 2002 Return-Path: <sdelgado@example.org> Mailing-List: contact sdelgado@example.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list sdelgado@example.org Delivered-To: moderator for sdelgado@example.org Received: (qmail 84393 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2002 20:58:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kurgan.lyra.org) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 30 Oct 2002 20:58:11 -0000 Received: (from gstein@localhost) by kurgan.lyra.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24905 for sdelgado@example.org; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:59:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: kurgan.lyra.org: gstein set sender to sdelgado@example.org using -f Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:59:20 -0800 From: Greg Stein <sdelgado@example.org> To: sdelgado@example.org Subject: Re: The Incubator site Message-ID: <sdelgado@example.org> References: <sdelgado@example.org> <sdelgado@example.org> <sdelgado@example.org> <sdelgado@example.org> <sdelgado@example.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <sdelgado@example.org>; from sdelgado@example.org on Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 12:22:30PM -0800 X-URL: http://www.lyra.org/greg/ X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 12:22:30PM -0800, Aaron Bannert wrote: >... > Eewwww..no binaries in CVS please. > > Feel free to stick up a big tarball or zip full of binaries, but that > stuff doesn't belong in CVS, IMHO. Oh, don't *even* get me started on binaries in CVS. CVS has zero concept of scalability. It *can* and *does* consume as much RAM as it wants. And binaries is a major reason why it will consume memory. Switch to Subversion(*). At least it won't hork your server when you shove a gigabyte of data into it. Cheers, -g p.s. /me notes that a lack of a ViewCVS equiv was the reason to avoid SVN for a while; /me further notes that ViewCVS now has SVN capability... -- Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/ From sdelgado@example.org Wed Oct 30 21:13:43 2002 Return-Path: <sdelgado@example.org> Mailing-List: contact sdelgado@example.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list sdelgado@example.org Received: (qmail 97780 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2002 21:13:43 -0000 Received: from jimsys.jagunet.com (HELO jaguNET.com) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 30 Oct 2002 21:13:43 -0000 Received: from [83.161.120.155] (localhost [83.161.120.155]) by jaguNET.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9ULDmCi000631 for <sdelgado@example.org>; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:13:48 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sdelgado@example.org Message-Id: <p05200f13b9e5fbbb7e13@[83.161.120.155]> In-Reply-To: <sdelgado@example.org> References: <sdelgado@example.org> <sdelgado@example.org> <sdelgado@example.org> <sdelgado@example.org> <sdelgado@example.org> <sdelgado@example.org> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:13:47 -0500 To: sdelgado@example.org From: Jim Jagielski <sdelgado@example.org> Subject: ApacheCon (Was: Re: The Incubator site) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N You know, I'm thinking that ApacheCon would be a good time to do some basic ASF Incubator promotion. :) -- =========================================================================== Jim Jagielski [|] sdelgado@example.org [|] http://www.jaguNET.com/ "A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will lose both and deserve neither" - T.Jefferson From sdelgado@example.org Wed Oct 30 21:28:48 2002 Return-Path: <sdelgado@example.org> Mailing-List: contact sdelgado@example.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list sdelgado@example.org Received: (qmail 14299 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2002 21:28:48 -0000 Received: from mail020.syd.optusnet.com.au (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 30 Oct 2002 21:28:48 -0000 Received: from brainstem.dyndns.org (c17243.thoms1.vic.optusnet.com.au [83.161.120.155]) by mail020.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g9ULSqQ13845 for <sdelgado@example.org>; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:28:52 +1100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Peter Donald <sdelgado@example.org> To: sdelgado@example.org Subject: Re: The Incubator site Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:34:39 +1100 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.2 References: <sdelgado@example.org> <sdelgado@example.org> <sdelgado@example.org> In-Reply-To: <sdelgado@example.org> X-Wisdom: A right is not what someone gives you; it's what no one can take from you. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <sdelgado@example.org> X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:22, Aaron Bannert wrote: > On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 10:21:55AM +1100, Peter Donald wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Another thing that I have suggested before is .... create an repo lik= e > > jakarta-site which has all the latest uptodate jars. Make sure that y= ou > > are going to retain backwards compatability and then publish it's > > existence. > > > > Then others can rely on this single repo to build their stuff rather = than > > every joe checking in binaries to their own CVS. It was one of the ke= y > > features that got me to dump all our cocoon based docs and move to > > anakia. > > Eewwww..no binaries in CVS please. > > Feel free to stick up a big tarball or zip full of binaries, but that > stuff doesn't belong in CVS, IMHO. Okay then. However it should be noted that because Java lacks the ability= to=20 manage shared libraries effectively (at all!!!). Hence you could be=20 downloading 10 MB each time something changes or updates. See jakarta-sit= e=20 module for an example of how often changes are made... --=20 Cheers, Peter Donald ----------------------------------------------------- When a stupid man is doing something he's ashamed of,=20 he always declares that it is his duty. =09=09=09=09=09George Bernard Shaw=20 ----------------------------------------------------- From sdelgado@example.org Wed Oct 30 21:44:48 2002 Return-Path: <sdelgado@example.org> Mailing-List: contact sdelgado@example.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list sdelgado@example.org Received: (qmail 31992 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2002 21:44:48 -0000 Received: from kurgan.lyra.org (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 30 Oct 2002 21:44:48 -0000 Received: (from gstein@localhost) by kurgan.lyra.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25156 for sdelgado@example.org; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:45:55 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: kurgan.lyra.org: gstein set sender to sdelgado@example.org using -f Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:45:55 -0800 From: Greg Stein <sdelgado@example.org> To: sdelgado@example.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: incubator-site/src/documentation/resources/forms ASF_Contributor_License_1_form.pdf ASF_Contributor_License_2.pdf ASF_Contributor_License_2.txt Message-ID: <sdelgado@example.org> References: <sdelgado@example.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <sdelgado@example.org>; from sdelgado@example.org on Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 09:36:56PM -0000 X-URL: http://www.lyra.org/greg/ X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 09:36:56PM -0000, sdelgado@example.org wrote: > coar 2002/10/30 13:36:56 > > Added: src/documentation/resources/forms > ASF_Contributor_License_1_form.pdf > ASF_Contributor_License_2.pdf > ASF_Contributor_License_2.txt > Log: > get the forms in here for viewing > > Revision Changes Path > 1.1 incubator-site/src/documentation/resources/forms/ASF_Contributor_License_1_form.pdf > > <<Binary file>> Do you really want to keep the *old* form around? Seems like it should simply be nuked. I have a copy of Acro 5 around here somewhere. I could form-ize the rev2 form if that is the only reason for the rev1 form to exist. Cheers, -g -- Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/ From sdelgado@example.org Wed Oct 30 22:47:59 2002 Return-Path: <sdelgado@example.org> Mailing-List: contact sdelgado@example.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list sdelgado@example.org Received: (qmail 4043 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2002 22:47:59 -0000 Received: from i.meepzor.com (HELO Boron.MeepZor.Com) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 30 Oct 2002 22:47:59 -0000 Received: from Golux.Com (dmz-firewall [83.161.120.155]) by Boron.MeepZor.Com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9UMm7L12338; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:48:07 -0500 Message-ID: <sdelgado@example.org> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:48:02 -0500 From: Rodent of Unusual Size <sdelgado@example.org> Organization: The Apache Software Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sdelgado@example.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: incubator-site/src/documentation/resources/forms ASF_Contributor_License_1_form.pdf ASF_Contributor_License_2.pdf ASF_Contributor_License_2.txt References: <sdelgado@example.org> <sdelgado@example.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Greg Stein wrote: > > Do you really want to keep the *old* form around? par' me, but i asked our secretary wtf was the difference and got no answer. a quick vgrep didn't reveal anything. -- #ken P-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ "Millennium hand and shrimp!" From sdelgado@example.org Wed Oct 30 22:51:24 2002 Return-Path: <sdelgado@example.org> Mailing-List: contact sdelgado@example.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list sdelgado@example.org Received: (qmail 9094 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2002 22:51:24 -0000 Received: from i.meepzor.com (HELO Boron.MeepZor.Com) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 30 Oct 2002 22:51:24 -0000 Received: from Golux.Com (dmz-firewall [83.161.120.155]) by Boron.MeepZor.Com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9UMpWL12454; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:51:32 -0500 Message-ID: <sdelgado@example.org> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:51:27 -0500 From: Rodent of Unusual Size <sdelgado@example.org> Organization: The Apache Software Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sdelgado@example.org Subject: Re: The Incubator site References: <sdelgado@example.org> <sdelgado@example.org> <sdelgado@example.org> <sdelgado@example.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N fwiw, now that i'm getting a handle on forrest, i've started hacking the site pages -- and uploaded the interim result to http://incubator.apache.org/ . no thirty. From sdelgado@example.org Wed Oct 30 22:54:26 2002 Return-Path: <sdelgado@example.org> Mailing-List: contact sdelgado@example.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list sdelgado@example.org Received: (qmail 19010 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2002 22:54:26 -0000 Received: from mail014.syd.optusnet.com.au (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 30 Oct 2002 22:54:26 -0000 Received: from brainstem.dyndns.org (c17243.thoms1.vic.optusnet.com.au [83.161.120.155]) by mail014.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g9UMsVH13312 for <sdelgado@example.org>; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:54:31 +1100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Peter Donald <sdelgado@example.org> To: sdelgado@example.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: incubator-site/src/documentation/resources/forms ASF_Contributor_License_1_form.pdf ASF_Contributor_License_2.pdf ASF_Contributor_License_2.txt Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:01:37 +1100 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.2 References: <sdelgado@example.org> <sdelgado@example.org> In-Reply-To: <sdelgado@example.org> X-Wisdom: A right is not what someone gives you; it's what no one can take from you. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <sdelgado@example.org> X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Are these email lists being redirected to any particular list that I can=20 subscribe to ? On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:45, Greg Stein wrote: > On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 09:36:56PM -0000, sdelgado@example.org wrote: > > coar 2002/10/30 13:36:56 > > > > Added: src/documentation/resources/forms > > ASF_Contributor_License_1_form.pdf > > ASF_Contributor_License_2.pdf > > ASF_Contributor_License_2.txt > > Log: > > get the forms in here for viewing > > > > Revision Changes Path > > 1.1 =20 > > incubator-site/src/documentation/resources/forms/ASF_Contributor_Lice= nse_ > >1_form.pdf > > > > =09<<Binary file>> > > Do you really want to keep the *old* form around? > > Seems like it should simply be nuked. I have a copy of Acro 5 around he= re > somewhere. I could form-ize the rev2 form if that is the only reason fo= r > the rev1 form to exist. > > Cheers, > -g --=20 Cheers, Peter Donald
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