From lopeztyler@example.org Fri Aug 06 17:21:04 2004 Return-Path: <lopeztyler@example.org> Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 82462 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2004 17:21:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Aug 2004 17:21:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 37677 invoked by uid 500); 6 Aug 2004 17:20:48 -0000 Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 37137 invoked by uid 500); 6 Aug 2004 17:20:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact lopeztyler@example.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-post: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> Reply-To: lopeztyler@example.org Delivered-To: mailing list lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 37052 invoked by uid 99); 6 Aug 2004 17:20:44 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO fep04-svc.flexmail.it) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.27.1) with ESMTP; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 10:20:42 -0700 Received: from [83.161.120.155] ([83.161.120.155]) by fep04-svc.flexmail.it with ESMTP id <20040806172040.WFFW26484.fep04-svc.flexmail.it@[83.161.120.155]>; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:20:40 +0200 Message-ID: <lopeztyler@example.org> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 19:20:39 +0200 From: Nicola Ken Barozzi <lopeztyler@example.org> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.2 (Windows/20040707) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lopeztyler@example.org, lopeztyler@example.org, lopeztyler@example.org, lopeztyler@example.org Subject: Re: Making Daffodil Replicator an Open Source : Suggestion References: <lopeztyler@example.org> In-Reply-To: <lopeztyler@example.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Ashish Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > > We are a product based company named Daffodil Software Ltd, based in > India. We have developed many good products using JAVA out of which our > two premium product Daffodil DB (an RDBMS) and Daffodil Replicator > (database utility software) is largely accepted by world software > community. > > We are planning to make our Daffodil Replicator an open source project. > > How can we make it with www.apache.org please let us know how we have to > proceed. > > I visited at http://incubator.apache.org but unable to find the answer > how to proceed in order to make our product open source. I'm cross-posting to lists where there might be interest in helping you out on this. > www.daffodildb.com -- Nicola Ken Barozzi lopeztyler@example.org - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code remains) --------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org For additional commands, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org From lopeztyler@example.org Sat Aug 07 01:13:22 2004 Return-Path: <lopeztyler@example.org> Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 37153 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2004 01:13:22 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 7 Aug 2004 01:13:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 91580 invoked by uid 500); 7 Aug 2004 01:13:18 -0000 Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 91389 invoked by uid 500); 7 Aug 2004 01:13:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact lopeztyler@example.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-post: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> Reply-To: lopeztyler@example.org Delivered-To: mailing list lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 91375 invoked by uid 99); 7 Aug 2004 01:13:17 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO unxcoms01.ecnetwork.co.nz) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.27.1) with ESMTP; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 18:13:17 -0700 Received: from serpent.ecnetwork.co.nz (serpent [83.161.120.155]) by unxcoms01.ecnetwork.co.nz (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i771DEc1008134 for <lopeztyler@example.org>; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 13:13:14 +1200 Received: from pcjohns.ecnnz.ecnetwork.co.nz (unknown [83.161.120.155]) by serpent.ecnetwork.co.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 456761035 for <lopeztyler@example.org>; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 13:14:01 +1200 (NZST) Subject: [Fwd: Re: Making Daffodil Replicator an Open Source : Suggestion] From: Simon Kitching <lopeztyler@example.org> To: lopeztyler@example.org Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1091841194.918.55.camel@pcsimon> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 13:13:14 +1200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N [resent from apache.org address] -----Forwarded Message----- > From: Simon Kitching <lopeztyler@example.org> > To: lopeztyler@example.org > Cc: lopeztyler@example.org, lopeztyler@example.org, lopeztyler@example.org > Subject: Re: Making Daffodil Replicator an Open Source : Suggestion > Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 13:10:17 +1200 > > On Sat, 2004-08-07 at 05:20, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > > Ashish Srivastava wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > We are a product based company named Daffodil Software Ltd, based in > > > India. We have developed many good products using JAVA out of which our > > > two premium product Daffodil DB (an RDBMS) and Daffodil Replicator > > > (database utility software) is largely accepted by world software > > > community. > > > > > > We are planning to make our Daffodil Replicator an open source project. > > > > > > How can we make it with www.apache.org please let us know how we have to > > > proceed. > > > > > > I visited at http://incubator.apache.org but unable to find the answer > > > how to proceed in order to make our product open source. > > > > I'm cross-posting to lists where there might be interest in helping you > > out on this. > > > > > www.daffodildb.com > > Hi Ashish, > > The following is just my personal opinion, as a member of the ASF > (Apache Software Foundation); I am not speaking on behalf of the ASF. > > I think it is great that you are considering releasing some of your code > under an open-source licence. I am sure there are a number of people > that are willing to offer advice on the process of releasing your code > as open-source. And if you do this, you are certainly welcome to reuse > the Apache Public License legal document as the base for the license > terms you release your code under; the ASF and its legal advisors > deliberately designed the license in a way that makes it easy for > non-ASF-hosted projects to use. > > However if you are suggesting that the code you release may be hosted > and maintained by the Apache Software Foundation, I personally think > this is unlikely to happen. > > Firstly, the code you are considering releasing under an open-source > licence is an add-on to a proprietory product. The ASF is unlikely to > consider adopting that kind of project. This doesn't mean that making > the code open-source is a bad idea, it's just something that the ASF > usually avoids being involved with. > > Secondly when the ASF adopts existing code, the provider of the code is > expected to show evidence that there is a group of developers willing to > continue maintenance and development of the code in the future. Apache > doesn't want to end up hosting lots of code with no associated > developers. Given that the code you are considering releasing can only > be used with a proprietory database which does not have a large market > share, I think this will be a difficult thing for the Daffodil > Replicator project to demonstrate. > > If your replicator tool can actually replicate data for multiple > different brands of database then please let us know; that would make > the project much more interesting, and therefore more likely to obtain > an adequate pool of developers. In particular, if it could be used with > the IBM "CloudScape" product which has recently been offered by IBM and > accepted by the ASF (and to be renamed "Derby" I believe), there could > be significant interest. The result could well be an improved replicator > for both Derby and Daffodil - but only if the architecture of your > current code is not too tightly bound to the Daffodil database. > > If you are interested in discussing this further, then please describe > what Daffodil Software expects to gain by outsourcing this software. > There are a number of different open-source licences available, and > which one is appropriate depends upon the business strategy of Daffodil. > The ASF always uses the apache license, which is a "BSD-like" license, > but there are many successful open-source projects that use a different > approach. You may wish to investigate MySQL and JBoss as alternative > business models. > > As I am sure you are aware, the ASF is not the only way to make code > open-source. You can always host the source code and associated > development framework (newsgroups, email lists, etc) on your own site, > or use the SourceForge site. If you let us know a little more about the > business goals of Daffodil Software we may be able to offer better > advice. > > Disclaimer: No responsibility is taken for any consequences of you or > your company acting on any statements made in this email. > > Regards, > > Simon > > PS: Sorry for the wide cross-posting. Nicola's reply suggested this > topic may be of interest to all these groups.. > > PPS: Nicola, I hope Ashish is actually subscribed to one of the lists > receiving this email. If this is not the case, could you please forward > this email. Thanks. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org For additional commands, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org From lopeztyler@example.org Tue Aug 10 14:15:00 2004 Return-Path: <lopeztyler@example.org> Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 6946 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2004 14:14:58 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 10 Aug 2004 14:14:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 26451 invoked by uid 500); 10 Aug 2004 14:14:30 -0000 Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 26214 invoked by uid 500); 10 Aug 2004 14:14:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact lopeztyler@example.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-post: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> Reply-To: lopeztyler@example.org Delivered-To: mailing list lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 26033 invoked by uid 99); 10 Aug 2004 14:14:26 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO mail.intermeta.de) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.27.1) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 07:14:24 -0700 Received: from [83.161.120.155] (forge.intermeta.de [83.161.120.155]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.intermeta.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7AEE9Um005513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <lopeztyler@example.org>; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:14:09 +0200 Subject: Re: OSCOM.4 / ApacheCon Europe 2004 RFP From: Henning Schmiedehausen <lopeztyler@example.org> Reply-To: lopeztyler@example.org To: lopeztyler@example.org In-Reply-To: <lopeztyler@example.org> References: <lopeztyler@example.org> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH Message-Id: <lopeztyler@example.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:14:09 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.9 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > OSCOM.4 / ApacheCon Europe 2004 > ETH (Swiss Federal Institute of Technology), Zurich, Switzerland > Wednesday, Sept 29 - Friday, October 1, 2004 As my proposals got accepted, I will be there. And as my talks are on Sep 29th in the morning and Oct 1st noon, I will be there the whole time... =8-O I noticed a talk by Erik Abele in the schedule. Who else of the Apache people will be there? Regards Henning -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH lopeztyler@example.org +1-225-644-7005 http://www.intermeta.de/ RedHat Certified Engineer -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Linux, Java, perl, Solaris -- Consulting, Training, Development "Fighting for one's political stand is an honorable action, but re- fusing to acknowledge that there might be weaknesses in one's position - in order to identify them so that they can be remedied - is a large enough problem with the Open Source movement that it deserves to be on this list of the top five problems." --Michelle Levesque, "Fundamental Issues with Open Source Software Development" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org For additional commands, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org From lopeztyler@example.org Thu Aug 12 14:40:09 2004 Return-Path: <lopeztyler@example.org> Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 48169 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2004 14:40:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 12 Aug 2004 14:40:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 42525 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2004 14:40:03 -0000 Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 42325 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2004 14:40:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact lopeztyler@example.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-post: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> Reply-To: lopeztyler@example.org Delivered-To: mailing list lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 42305 invoked by uid 99); 12 Aug 2004 14:40:01 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO scuzzy.ben.algroup.co.uk) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.27.1) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 07:39:56 -0700 Received: from [83.161.120.155] (eandbwin.ben.algroup.co.uk [83.161.120.155]) by scuzzy.ben.algroup.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A430107D13 for <lopeztyler@example.org>; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:39:54 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <lopeztyler@example.org> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:39:53 +0100 From: Ben Laurie <lopeztyler@example.org> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lopeztyler@example.org Subject: Re: Inexpensive Lists References: <lopeztyler@example.org> <1090034697.1668.30635.camel@ighp> <lopeztyler@example.org> <1090169714.1668.55395.camel@ighp> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> In-Reply-To: <lopeztyler@example.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 83.161.120.155 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > --On Sunday, July 18, 2004 4:20 PM -0400 Brian McCallister > <lopeztyler@example.org> wrote: > >> I suspect that if 3 ASF'ers want to discuss a topic via email, and think >> a mailing list would help, there should be a mechanism to simply have it >> created, bang. Just my 2 cents =) > > > Mailing lists without PMC oversight should be treated with extreme > caution. Lists without the necessary oversight might expose the ASF to > unwanted liability. Get real. How is that going to happen? Are you seriously suggesting that the ASF is responsible for what people post to lists? > The ASF isn't a personal soapbox medium: it's meant > to facilitate collaborative software projects. > > For example, this list (community@) is a *horrible* waste of time that > adds little value: almost every topic here has a more appropriate list > elsewhere in the ASF (or, ideally, outside of the ASF). But, people > seem to use this list as a dumping ground and are often too lazy to > think about what the 'proper' list is - instead they just post to > community@. That is not an example of exposing ASF to unwanted liability. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org For additional commands, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org From lopeztyler@example.org Thu Aug 12 17:03:33 2004 Return-Path: <lopeztyler@example.org> Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 60870 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2004 17:03:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 12 Aug 2004 17:03:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 4089 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2004 17:03:27 -0000 Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 3861 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2004 17:03:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact lopeztyler@example.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-post: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> Reply-To: lopeztyler@example.org Delivered-To: mailing list lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 3846 invoked by uid 99); 12 Aug 2004 17:03:25 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO skutsje.san.webweaving.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.27.1) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:03:21 -0700 Received: from skutsje.san.webweaving.org (localhost [83.161.120.155]) by skutsje.san.webweaving.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7CGq90p035927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <lopeztyler@example.org>; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:52:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lopeztyler@example.org) Received: from localhost (dirkx@localhost) by skutsje.san.webweaving.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) with ESMTP id i7CGq9St035924 for <lopeztyler@example.org>; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:52:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lopeztyler@example.org) X-Authentication-Warning: skutsje.san.webweaving.org: dirkx owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:52:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Dirk-Willem van Gulik <lopeztyler@example.org> X-X-Sender: lopeztyler@example.org To: lopeztyler@example.org Subject: Re: Inexpensive Lists In-Reply-To: <lopeztyler@example.org> Message-ID: <lopeztyler@example.org> References: <lopeztyler@example.org> <1090034697.1668.30635.camel@ighp> <lopeztyler@example.org> <1090169714.1668.55395.camel@ighp> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, Ben Laurie wrote: > > Mailing lists without PMC oversight should be treated with extreme > Get real. How is that going to happen? Are you seriously suggesting that > the ASF is responsible for what people post to lists? > > For example, this list (community@) is a *horrible* waste of time that Heck - community@ is a good thing, a place to vent things and do some plotting to overtage the governement; and we even have, shudder, horror, calvanist shock, lists which may tempt people to party@. Dw. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org For additional commands, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org From lopeztyler@example.org Thu Aug 12 18:06:44 2004 Return-Path: <lopeztyler@example.org> Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 87340 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2004 18:06:38 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 12 Aug 2004 18:06:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 5392 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2004 18:06:29 -0000 Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 5188 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2004 18:06:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact lopeztyler@example.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-post: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> Reply-To: lopeztyler@example.org Delivered-To: mailing list lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 5156 invoked by uid 99); 12 Aug 2004 18:06:28 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO amgod.boxhost.net) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.27.1) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:06:26 -0700 Received: from radish.jmason.org (localhost [83.161.120.155]) by amgod.boxhost.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B0E310422 for <lopeztyler@example.org>; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:06:32 +0100 (IST) Received: by radish.jmason.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E0CA22F006B; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:06:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jmason.org (localhost [83.161.120.155]) by radish.jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D696457C04D for <lopeztyler@example.org>; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:06:16 -0700 (PDT) To: lopeztyler@example.org Subject: Re: Inexpensive Lists In-Reply-To: <lopeztyler@example.org> From: lopeztyler@example.org (Justin Mason) X-Gpg-Key-Fingerprint: 0A48 2D8B 0B52 A87D 0E8A 6ADD 4137 1B50 6E58 EF0A X-Habeas-Swe-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-Swe-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-Swe-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-Swe-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-Swe-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this X-Habeas-Swe-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas X-Habeas-Swe-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant X-Habeas-Swe-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this X-Habeas-Swe-9: mark in spam to <http://www.habeas.com/report/>. Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:06:16 -0700 Sender: lopeztyler@example.org Message-Id: <lopeztyler@example.org> X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dirk-Willem van Gulik writes: > On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, Ben Laurie wrote: > > > > Mailing lists without PMC oversight should be treated with extreme > > > Get real. How is that going to happen? Are you seriously suggesting that > > the ASF is responsible for what people post to lists? > > > > For example, this list (community@) is a *horrible* waste of time that > > Heck - community@ is a good thing, a place to vent things and do some > plotting to overtage the governement; and we even have, shudder, horror, > calvanist shock, lists which may tempt people to party@. Hey all -- recent arrival speaking up ;) IMO, ASF-wide community lists make sense -- especially to foster the social aspects of the ASF. Perhaps if liability is an issue, a few prominent disclaimers would do the trick! - --j. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh CVS iD8DBQFBG7GYQTcbUG5Y7woRApbuAJ9ikeVDBkrnAN225BTTWq+vnHmQuwCeKCli Y2cLJuf71+KrizUucM+n7po= =Hk12 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org For additional commands, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org From lopeztyler@example.org Mon Aug 16 13:11:46 2004 Return-Path: <lopeztyler@example.org> Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 21425 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2004 13:11:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 16 Aug 2004 13:11:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 74314 invoked by uid 500); 16 Aug 2004 13:11:42 -0000 Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 74091 invoked by uid 500); 16 Aug 2004 13:11:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact lopeztyler@example.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-post: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> Reply-To: lopeztyler@example.org Delivered-To: mailing list lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 74076 invoked by uid 99); 16 Aug 2004 13:11:40 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO suntzu.lyra.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.27.1) with ESMTP; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 06:11:38 -0700 Received: from suntzu.lyra.org (localhost.localdomain [83.161.120.155]) by suntzu.lyra.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7GD7JWd003461 for <lopeztyler@example.org>; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 06:07:19 -0700 Received: (from gstein@localhost) by suntzu.lyra.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i7GD7J5h003459 for lopeztyler@example.org; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 06:07:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: suntzu.lyra.org: gstein set sender to lopeztyler@example.org using -f Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 06:07:19 -0700 From: Greg Stein <lopeztyler@example.org> To: lopeztyler@example.org Subject: gmail accounts? Message-ID: <lopeztyler@example.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-URL: http://www.lyra.org/greg/ X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Hi all, A while back, I offered gmail accounts to a number of people when the number of invites that I had was pretty limited. However, I now have unlimited invites... If anybody would like a gmail account, then please reply to me privately and I'll hook you up. I'm happy to provide them to any ASF committer and their family. Cheers, -g -- Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org For additional commands, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org From lopeztyler@example.org Tue Aug 17 06:02:15 2004 Return-Path: <lopeztyler@example.org> Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 68052 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2004 06:02:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 17 Aug 2004 06:02:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 60359 invoked by uid 500); 17 Aug 2004 06:02:06 -0000 Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 60177 invoked by uid 500); 17 Aug 2004 06:02:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact lopeztyler@example.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-post: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> Reply-To: lopeztyler@example.org Delivered-To: mailing list lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 60162 invoked by uid 99); 17 Aug 2004 06:02:05 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO f2.hedhman.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.27.1) with ESMTP; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:02:02 -0700 Received: from f2.hedhman.org (f2.hedhman.org [83.161.120.155]) by f2.hedhman.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7H61unr010875 for <lopeztyler@example.org>; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:01:57 +0800 From: Niclas Hedhman <lopeztyler@example.org> Organization: Private To: lopeztyler@example.org Subject: Re: gmail accounts? Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:01:55 +0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <lopeztyler@example.org> In-Reply-To: <lopeztyler@example.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <lopeztyler@example.org> X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Monday 16 August 2004 21:07, Greg Stein wrote: > A while back, I offered gmail accounts to a number of people when the > number of invites that I had was pretty limited. However, I now have > unlimited invites... > > If anybody would like a gmail account, then please reply to me privately > and I'll hook you up. I'm happy to provide them to any ASF committer and > their family. Arrrrgggghhhh.... It says it requires ActiveX. Is Google now part of the evil empire ?? :o) How about Linux/Unix/MacX users, are we totally left out? Cheers Niclas -- +------//-------------------+ / http://www.bali.ac / / http://niclas.hedhman.org / +------//-------------------+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org For additional commands, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org From lopeztyler@example.org Tue Aug 17 06:37:57 2004 Return-Path: <lopeztyler@example.org> Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 82542 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2004 06:37:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 17 Aug 2004 06:37:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 7994 invoked by uid 500); 17 Aug 2004 06:37:50 -0000 Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 7781 invoked by uid 500); 17 Aug 2004 06:37:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact lopeztyler@example.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-post: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> Reply-To: lopeztyler@example.org Delivered-To: mailing list lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 7752 invoked by uid 99); 17 Aug 2004 06:37:47 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.8 required=10.0 tests=RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL,RCVD_IN_RFC_IPWHOIS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO marlow.intranet.hisitech.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.27.1) with ESMTP; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:37:46 -0700 Received: from [83.161.120.155] (localhost [83.161.120.155]) by marlow.intranet.hisitech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2356320C386 for <lopeztyler@example.org>; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 08:32:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <lopeztyler@example.org> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 08:32:45 +0200 From: Santiago Gala <lopeztyler@example.org> Organization: Apache Software Foundation User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (X11/20040812) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lopeztyler@example.org Subject: Re: gmail accounts? References: <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> In-Reply-To: <lopeztyler@example.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 83.161.120.155 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Niclas Hedhman wrote: >On Monday 16 August 2004 21:07, Greg Stein wrote: > > >>A while back, I offered gmail accounts to a number of people when the >>number of invites that I had was pretty limited. However, I now have >>unlimited invites... >> >>If anybody would like a gmail account, then please reply to me privately >>and I'll hook you up. I'm happy to provide them to any ASF committer and >>their family. >> >> > >Arrrrgggghhhh.... It says it requires ActiveX. Is Google now part of the evil >empire ?? :o) > > > It requires ActiveX if you use MSIE. It works perfectly on any mozilla/firefox/galeon, ... Not with Opera, though. MSIE > 5.01, IIRC. I don't know konqueror. >How about Linux/Unix/MacX users, are we totally left out? > > I'm using it routinely with linux (and before OS X) Regards Santiago --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org For additional commands, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org From lopeztyler@example.org Tue Aug 17 06:41:48 2004 Return-Path: <lopeztyler@example.org> Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 86268 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2004 06:41:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 17 Aug 2004 06:41:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 11863 invoked by uid 500); 17 Aug 2004 06:41:34 -0000 Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 11708 invoked by uid 500); 17 Aug 2004 06:41:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact lopeztyler@example.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-post: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> Reply-To: lopeztyler@example.org Delivered-To: mailing list lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 11693 invoked by uid 99); 17 Aug 2004 06:41:33 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO sccrmhc13.comcast.net) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.27.1) with ESMTP; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:41:27 -0700 Received: from [ipv888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4:1] (c-24-5-108-151.client.comcast.net[83.161.120.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004081706412501600d69jce>; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 06:41:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <lopeztyler@example.org> References: <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-601051546; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Message-Id: <lopeztyler@example.org> From: Sander Temme <lopeztyler@example.org> Subject: Re: gmail accounts? Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:41:24 -0700 To: lopeztyler@example.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N --Apple-Mail-5-601051546 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > Arrrrgggghhhh.... It says it requires ActiveX. Is Google now part of > the evil > empire ?? :o) > > How about Linux/Unix/MacX users, are we totally left out? Works fine for me in Safari/Mac and FireFox/Win32. 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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:56:05 -0700 Message-ID: <lopeztyler@example.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <lopeztyler@example.org> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > -----Original Message----- > From: Santiago Gala [mailto:lopeztyler@example.org] > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 11:33 PM > To: lopeztyler@example.org > Subject: Re: gmail accounts? > > > Niclas Hedhman wrote: > > >On Monday 16 August 2004 21:07, Greg Stein wrote: > > > > > >>A while back, I offered gmail accounts to a number of people when the > >>number of invites that I had was pretty limited. However, I now have > >>unlimited invites... > >> > >>If anybody would like a gmail account, then please reply to me privately > >>and I'll hook you up. I'm happy to provide them to any ASF committer and > >>their family. > >> > >> > > > >Arrrrgggghhhh.... It says it requires ActiveX. Is Google now > part of the evil > >empire ?? :o) > > > > > > > It requires ActiveX if you use MSIE. It works perfectly on any > mozilla/firefox/galeon, ... Not with Opera, though. Actually, yes Opera, with some help: http://www.scss.com.au/family/andrew/o7/gmail/ -- Martin Cooper > MSIE > 5.01, IIRC. I > don't know konqueror. > > > >How about Linux/Unix/MacX users, are we totally left out? > > > > > I'm using it routinely with linux (and before OS X) > > Regards > Santiago > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org > For additional commands, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org For additional commands, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org From lopeztyler@example.org Wed Aug 25 13:40:44 2004 Return-Path: <lopeztyler@example.org> Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 19775 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 13:40:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 13:40:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 88263 invoked by uid 500); 25 Aug 2004 13:40:15 -0000 Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 87490 invoked by uid 500); 25 Aug 2004 13:40:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact lopeztyler@example.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-post: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> Reply-To: lopeztyler@example.org Delivered-To: mailing list lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 87378 invoked by uid 99); 25 Aug 2004 13:40:05 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO smtp108.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.27.1) with SMTP; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 06:40:01 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO auburn) (lopeztyler@example.org with login) by smtp108.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 13:40:00 -0000 Message-ID: <087501c48aa8$f3a656c0$34000a0a@auburn> From: "James Mitchell" <lopeztyler@example.org> To: <lopeztyler@example.org>, <lopeztyler@example.org> Cc: "Apache Infrastructure" <lopeztyler@example.org> References: <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <Pine.WNT.4.61.0408241125340.3740@HEC-4949> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> Subject: Re: Policy (Was: Playboy mirror logo?) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:39:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2741.2600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N [resend] For the record (and if I wasn't clear before) I am NOT against playboy being a mirror or Apache using the mirror (whether it is being blocked or not). I AM against putting a link and/or image that links from Apache to playboy. Trust me, I've been all over playboy.com for reasons I don't care to elaborate on (what can I say, I'm a guy ;). But I will not sit idly by and let others (who apparently don't run their own business) put my lopeztyler@example.org. I always try to give credit where credit is due (powered by logo and link). My clients (all but 1) are not skilled enough to want to download something from a mirror and realize...."oh shit!!, look where its coming from!". That's not likely to happen. They _would_ have a problem if one of _their_ clients or customers called and said they clicked their way from their site to Apache, and on to Playboy. Hell, I might even get sued. Here's a little test for you. Ask the eclipse project and/or IBM if they would add playboy's logo and link if they agreed to provide some bandwidth for them. What answer do you think you will get back? I can almost assure you that if it is not "no", it will be "hell no". Do you even realize how many web sites out there have "powered by" logos and links to Apache and the various subprojects? I am begging you!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DO NOT put their logo or link on our (yes, OUR) web site. You can't even imagine what the media will do with this if you do. God help us all. If you do this, it will only hurt Apache's name and reputation. > > If the current mirroring policy is broken, then it should be > > said so with comments and suggestions on how to fix it. +1 for rethinking the policy P.S. Someone please fix the reply-to for this list, my mail client (as much as it sucks) keeps trying to reply to the person, not the mailing list. -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist EdgeTech, Inc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sander Striker" <lopeztyler@example.org> To: <lopeztyler@example.org>; "Steven Noels" <lopeztyler@example.org> Cc: "Apache Infrastructure" <lopeztyler@example.org>; "Daniel Quinlan" <lopeztyler@example.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 7:47 AM Subject: Re: Playboy mirror logo? > From: "Jim Jagielski" <lopeztyler@example.org> > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 1:34 PM > > > > If the current mirroring policy is broken, then it should be > > said so with comments and suggestions on how to fix it. > > > > Such policies exist to allow for simple "check-off" type > > of responses and to avoid the need for discussions and > > debates. Policies exist to be objective, not subjective :) > > +1. > > Sander > -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist EdgeTech, Inc. +1-225-644-7005 AIM: jmitchtx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dirk-Willem van Gulik" <lopeztyler@example.org> To: "Erik Abele" <lopeztyler@example.org> Cc: "Apache Infrastructure" <lopeztyler@example.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 9:12 AM Subject: Policy (Was: Playboy mirror logo?) > > Please move POLICY discussion to community@, OR if it is senstive to > members@ OR if it needs a deceision NOW to board@ (or call a board member > by phone). > > This group, infrastructure@, carries out policy - it does not set it (and > when this group is in doubt they known where to ask - and have a track > record of beeing good at that :-); so lets not waste their scarce time > debating it here. > > The only posting on this topic I expect on this list is a pointer to where > the discussion is continued and at some time in the future perhaps a > message setting new dirctions by describing consensus. > > Thanks, > > Dw. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org For additional commands, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org From lopeztyler@example.org Wed Aug 25 13:53:24 2004 Return-Path: <lopeztyler@example.org> Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 28691 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 13:53:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 13:53:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 21533 invoked by uid 500); 25 Aug 2004 13:53:19 -0000 Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 21143 invoked by uid 500); 25 Aug 2004 13:53:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact lopeztyler@example.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-post: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> Reply-To: lopeztyler@example.org Delivered-To: mailing list lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 21106 invoked by uid 99); 25 Aug 2004 13:53:16 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO chromium.sabren.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.27.1) with ESMTP; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 06:53:15 -0700 Received: from [83.161.120.155] (rdu57-27-065.nc.rr.com [83.161.120.155]) (authenticated bits=0) by chromium.sabren.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7PDrFS6020501; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:53:15 -0400 Message-ID: <lopeztyler@example.org> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:53:12 -0400 From: Sam Ruby <lopeztyler@example.org> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040803 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lopeztyler@example.org CC: lopeztyler@example.org, Apache Infrastructure <lopeztyler@example.org> Subject: Re: Policy (Was: Playboy mirror logo?) References: <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <Pine.WNT.4.61.0408241125340.3740@HEC-4949> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <087501c48aa8$f3a656c0$34000a0a@auburn> In-Reply-To: <087501c48aa8$f3a656c0$34000a0a@auburn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N James Mitchell wrote: > [resend] > > For the record (and if I wasn't clear before) I am NOT against playboy > being a mirror or Apache using the mirror (whether it is being blocked or > not). I AM against putting a link and/or image that links from Apache to > playboy. > > Trust me, I've been all over playboy.com for reasons I don't care to > elaborate on (what can I say, I'm a guy ;). But I will not sit idly by and > let others (who apparently don't run their own business) put my company at > risk. > > I always try to give credit where credit is due (powered by logo and link). > My clients (all but 1) are not skilled enough to want to download something > from a mirror and realize...."oh shit!!, look where its coming from!". > That's not likely to happen. They _would_ have a problem if one of _their_ > clients or customers called and said they clicked their way from their site > to Apache, and on to Playboy. Hell, I might even get sued. > > Here's a little test for you. Ask the eclipse project and/or IBM if they > would add playboy's logo and link if they agreed to provide some bandwidth > for them. What answer do you think you will get back? I can almost assure > you that if it is not "no", it will be "hell no". > > Do you even realize how many web sites out there have "powered by" logos and > links to Apache and the various subprojects? > > I am begging you!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DO NOT put their logo or link on our (yes, > OUR) web site. You can't even imagine what the media will do with this if > you do. God help us all. > > If you do this, it will only hurt Apache's name and reputation. > >>>If the current mirroring policy is broken, then it should be >>>said so with comments and suggestions on how to fix it. > > +1 for rethinking the policy "rethinking the policy" is NOT what Jim suggested. What Jim meant when he said that is that people should STOP saying things like "I am begging you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and "God help us all.", and START making concrete suggestions on how the policy itself should change. The closest thing I see to that in your email is a suggestion that we let the Eclipse Foundation be the final arbiter in who the Apache Software Foundation will allow to be listed as an official mirror. - Sam Ruby --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org For additional commands, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org From lopeztyler@example.org Wed Aug 25 13:59:57 2004 Return-Path: <lopeztyler@example.org> Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 34377 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 13:59:55 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 13:59:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 38828 invoked by uid 500); 25 Aug 2004 13:59:20 -0000 Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 38619 invoked by uid 500); 25 Aug 2004 13:59:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact lopeztyler@example.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-post: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> Reply-To: lopeztyler@example.org Delivered-To: mailing list lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 38499 invoked by uid 99); 25 Aug 2004 13:59:16 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO frontend1.messagingengine.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.27.1) with ESMTP; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 06:59:14 -0700 X-Sasl-enc: VEMWYFHHCO8LiMpwe8htlQ 1093442350 Received: from HEC-4949.hec.ca (unknown [83.161.120.155]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38768C14DB2; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:59:03 -0400 (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Est_=28heure_d'=E9t=E9=29?=) From: Joshua Slive <lopeztyler@example.org> To: James Mitchell <lopeztyler@example.org> Cc: lopeztyler@example.org Subject: Re: Policy (Was: Playboy mirror logo?) In-Reply-To: <087501c48aa8$f3a656c0$34000a0a@auburn> Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.61.0408250943120.3740@HEC-4949> References: <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <Pine.WNT.4.61.0408241125340.3740@HEC-4949> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <087501c48aa8$f3a656c0$34000a0a@auburn> X-X-Sender: lopeztyler@example.org@mail.messagingengine.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, James Mitchell wrote: > I am begging you!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DO NOT put their logo or link on our (yes, > OUR) web site. You can't even imagine what the media will do with this if > you do. God help us all. You are exagerating to the extreme. Go to google and count how many media organizations themselves link to www.playboy.com (as opposed to the corporate site which we are linking to). You'll see cnet, wired, prnewswire, dmoz, etc. If you lopeztyler@example.org, the site we link to, you'll find every major stock-listing site on the web links to them. So I guess "the media" will have some work to do before the catch up to bothering us. Joshua. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org For additional commands, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org From lopeztyler@example.org Wed Aug 25 14:02:56 2004 Return-Path: <lopeztyler@example.org> Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 38355 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 14:02:43 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 14:02:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 50836 invoked by uid 500); 25 Aug 2004 14:01:56 -0000 Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 50459 invoked by uid 500); 25 Aug 2004 14:01:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact lopeztyler@example.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-post: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> Reply-To: lopeztyler@example.org Delivered-To: mailing list lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 50379 invoked by uid 99); 25 Aug 2004 14:01:53 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO smtp104.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.27.1) with SMTP; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 07:01:51 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO auburn) (lopeztyler@example.org with login) by smtp104.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 14:01:50 -0000 Message-ID: <08a601c48aab$ffd275c0$34000a0a@auburn> From: "James Mitchell" <lopeztyler@example.org> To: "Apache Infrastructure" <lopeztyler@example.org> Cc: <lopeztyler@example.org>, <lopeztyler@example.org> References: <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <B9978A9F9A1CB1BD124807E1@[83.161.120.155]> <lopeztyler@example.org> <94AFA13E7EFE88B63ACC100D@[83.161.120.155]> <lopeztyler@example.org> <Pine.WNT.4.61.0408250915480.3740@HEC-4949> Subject: Re: Playboy mirror logo? Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:01:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2741.2600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N How do you propose we do that? How do you define "large segment of our users"? Is it: * The people who download the software. * The people who install the software. * The people who make the decisions that allow us to download and install the software. * The people who are stupid enough to believe what the Microsoft sales force tells them about Open Source software and what sites The Apache Software Foundation links to. I fear that you will _never_ be able to poll the "large segment of our users". I don't claim to speak for this large segment. I am only one business owner/developer who happens to monitor these discussions and participate (time permitting) in this community. For what it's worth, I've already gotten feedback from an existing client of mine who has several of Apache subproject's "powered by" icons on their site (they provide Financial Services). The are concerned about this and they want me to keep them posted with a decision. Funny, the IT guy said this would probably hit the media and have a positive effect for the anti-Microsoft camp simply by boosting exposure for Apache. On the flip side though, it will affect the decision makers who let us put "powered by" links on their application. Anyway, I'm sure there is no right or wrong answer to this and I'll support whatever decision is made. Even if is the wrong one :P -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist EdgeTech, Inc. +1-225-644-7005 AIM: jmitchtx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Slive" <lopeztyler@example.org> To: "Martin Kraemer" <lopeztyler@example.org> Cc: "Apache Infrastructure" <lopeztyler@example.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 9:20 AM Subject: Re: Playboy mirror logo? > > On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Martin Kraemer wrote: > > Many companies (mine included) block *.playboy.com, and being > > redirected to it is not a choice of the end user (but the > > geo/randomizer in closer.cgi!). > > Many end users may then be redirected to a URL that results in a > > [403 Forbidden] page. I wonder if that is a good decision, and we > > should IMHO ask for a mirror URL that does not end in playboy.com > > > > Opinions? > > If anyone can provide a concrete number (or at least guestimate) showing > that this will affect a large segment of our users, or if we get more than > one or two complaints about it from our users, I'll pull the mirror for > pragmatic technical reasons. > > I just don't want to do it because of some hypothetical issue. > > And also note that, while the mirror system provides a suggested mirror by > default, there is always the opportunity to choose another mirror from the > list. (But I agree that some segment of our users will be confused and > won't figure this out.) > > Joshua. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org For additional commands, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org From lopeztyler@example.org Wed Aug 25 14:06:25 2004 Return-Path: <lopeztyler@example.org> Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 42503 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 14:06:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 14:06:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 64749 invoked by uid 500); 25 Aug 2004 14:06:24 -0000 Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 64534 invoked by uid 500); 25 Aug 2004 14:06:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact lopeztyler@example.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-post: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> Reply-To: lopeztyler@example.org Delivered-To: mailing list lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 64520 invoked by uid 99); 25 Aug 2004 14:06:23 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO otsrv1.iic.ugent.be) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.27.1) with ESMTP; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 07:06:19 -0700 Received: from [83.161.120.155] (host115 [83.161.120.155]) by otsrv1.iic.ugent.be (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i7PD6Fm20638 for <lopeztyler@example.org>; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:06:15 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <lopeztyler@example.org> References: <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <Pine.WNT.4.61.0408241125340.3740@HEC-4949> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <087501c48aa8$f3a656c0$34000a0a@auburn> <lopeztyler@example.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <lopeztyler@example.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Steven Noels <lopeztyler@example.org> Subject: Re: Policy (Was: Playboy mirror logo?) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:06:16 +0200 To: lopeztyler@example.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On 25 Aug 2004, at 15:53, Sam Ruby wrote: > The closest thing I see to that in your email is a suggestion that we > let the Eclipse Foundation be the final arbiter in who the Apache > Software Foundation will allow to be listed as an official mirror. ... or that the opinions of those who don't run their own businesses should be evaluated differently from those of business owners. Beats me. </Steven> -- Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java & XML An Orixo Member Read my weblog at http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ lopeztyler@example.org lopeztyler@example.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org For additional commands, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org From lopeztyler@example.org Wed Aug 25 14:12:34 2004 Return-Path: <lopeztyler@example.org> Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 47322 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 14:12:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 14:12:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 71902 invoked by uid 500); 25 Aug 2004 14:10:11 -0000 Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 71644 invoked by uid 500); 25 Aug 2004 14:10:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact lopeztyler@example.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-post: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> Reply-To: lopeztyler@example.org Delivered-To: mailing list lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 71520 invoked by uid 99); 25 Aug 2004 14:10:05 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO frontend1.messagingengine.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.27.1) with ESMTP; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 07:10:03 -0700 X-Sasl-enc: 0wM1oxrIwbXgqYhu8l1pQg 1093443000 Received: from HEC-4949.hec.ca (unknown [83.161.120.155]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E131C14E63; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:09:54 -0400 (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Est_=28heure_d'=E9t=E9=29?=) From: Joshua Slive <lopeztyler@example.org> To: James Mitchell <lopeztyler@example.org> Cc: Apache Infrastructure <lopeztyler@example.org>, lopeztyler@example.org Subject: Re: Playboy mirror logo? In-Reply-To: <08a601c48aab$ffd275c0$34000a0a@auburn> Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.61.0408251007250.3740@HEC-4949> References: <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <B9978A9F9A1CB1BD124807E1@[83.161.120.155]> <lopeztyler@example.org> <94AFA13E7EFE88B63ACC100D@[83.161.120.155]> <lopeztyler@example.org> <Pine.WNT.4.61.0408250915480.3740@HEC-4949> <08a601c48aab$ffd275c0$34000a0a@auburn> X-X-Sender: lopeztyler@example.org@mail.messagingengine.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Please stop copying board on every message. On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, James Mitchell wrote: > How do you propose we do that? How do you define "large segment of our > users"? My email has nothing to do with your complaint. I am talking purely about the technical issue of people being unable to download the software from mirrors.playboy.com. I am not talking about the logo/link to playboyenterprises.com. Joshua. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org For additional commands, e-mail: lopeztyler@example.org From lopeztyler@example.org Wed Aug 25 14:15:06 2004 Return-Path: <lopeztyler@example.org> Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 51342 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 14:15:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 14:15:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 83204 invoked by uid 500); 25 Aug 2004 14:12:54 -0000 Delivered-To: lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 82846 invoked by uid 500); 25 Aug 2004 14:12:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact lopeztyler@example.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> list-post: <mailto:lopeztyler@example.org> Reply-To: lopeztyler@example.org Delivered-To: mailing list lopeztyler@example.org Received: (qmail 82794 invoked by uid 99); 25 Aug 2004 14:12:49 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO skutsje.san.webweaving.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.27.1) with ESMTP; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 07:12:48 -0700 Received: from skutsje.san.webweaving.org (localhost [83.161.120.155]) by skutsje.san.webweaving.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7PE170p057543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <lopeztyler@example.org>; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 07:01:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lopeztyler@example.org) Received: from localhost (dirkx@localhost) by skutsje.san.webweaving.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) with ESMTP id i7PE16GD057540 for <lopeztyler@example.org>; Wed, 25 Aug 2004 07:01:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lopeztyler@example.org) X-Authentication-Warning: skutsje.san.webweaving.org: dirkx owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 07:01:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Dirk-Willem van Gulik <lopeztyler@example.org> X-X-Sender: lopeztyler@example.org To: lopeztyler@example.org Subject: Re: Policy (Was: Playboy mirror logo?) In-Reply-To: <lopeztyler@example.org> Message-ID: <lopeztyler@example.org> References: <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <Pine.WNT.4.61.0408241125340.3740@HEC-4949> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <lopeztyler@example.org> <087501c48aa8$f3a656c0$34000a0a@auburn> <lopeztyler@example.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Right now we have no real policy with regard to Mirrors; essentially anyone can run a mirror, tell us; we add and they get a logo if they submit one as a small thank you. Legally it is entireyly up to the ASF to choose whether to list a mirror or not. Recently Playboy.com submitted one. It was added as normal. The question was; is that good - is that bad - is that a slipperly slope ? My personal opinion is that it is good; any faithfull mirror
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