From projects-returnwayne03@example.net Tue Aug 05 04:10:04 2008 Return-Path: <projects-returnwayne03@example.net> Delivered-To: wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 61459 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 04:10:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 04:10:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 67338 invoked by uid 500); 5 Aug 2008 04:09:52 -0000 Delivered-To: wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 67280 invoked by uid 500); 5 Aug 2008 04:09:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact wayne03@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Id: <projects.incubator.apache.org> Delivered-To: mailing list wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 67191 invoked by uid 99); 5 Aug 2008 04:09:51 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:09:51 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=MISSING_MID,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO server.nechtandesign.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 04:08:55 +0000 Received: from c-24-3-240-68.hsd1.pa.comcast.net ([83.161.120.155] helo=Angie-PC.nechtan.org) by server.nechtandesign.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <wayne03@example.net>) id 1KQDoK-0005j0-S0 for wayne03@example.net; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:06:13 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 83.161.120.155 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:06:10 -0400 To: wayne03@example.net From: Angela Cymbalak <wayne03@example.net> Subject: JCR implementation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.nechtandesign.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - incubator.apache.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - nechtan.org X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Message-Id: <wayne03@example.net> Its been a few days but I have the extraordinarily basic JCR implementation finished. It just reads a directory and puts the .jpg files that it finds in that directory into the JCR. I can generate the list of strings that Luciano's tuscany app needs. After that, I get more unsure. In the photo-gallery.composite file there is the section: <component name="GalleryPictures"> <t:implementation.resource location="gallery"></t:implementation.resource> </component> I believe this is the section that tells Tuscany where to actually serve the images from. I believe that this needs to be changed into something that more closely resembles the Album component, with an actual class definition, in order to get the images out of the JCR instead of from the file system. I'll sleep on it, but if any help magically comes my way overnight (even in the form of a pointer to the appropriate Tuscany docs) it would be much appreciated. Angie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: wayne03@example.net For additional commands, e-mail: wayne03@example.net From projects-returnwayne03@example.net Tue Aug 05 04:35:07 2008 Return-Path: <projects-returnwayne03@example.net> Delivered-To: wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 74666 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 04:35:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 04:35:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 90794 invoked by uid 500); 5 Aug 2008 04:35:06 -0000 Delivered-To: wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 90772 invoked by uid 500); 5 Aug 2008 04:35:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact wayne03@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Id: <projects.incubator.apache.org> Delivered-To: mailing list wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 90761 invoked by uid 99); 5 Aug 2008 04:35:06 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:35:06 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of wayne03@example.net designates 83.161.120.155 as permitted sender) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 04:34:11 +0000 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so2476219wfd.21 for <wayne03@example.net>; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:34:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=HQ42x6TKwILtz/jdai/BKik/Pe9SQPdF9iAKTUayEO0=; b=t032aCjullSerLHIe5SJ7268nhB4fewydaMhIoDmjZex7W2sjSEN7RNT0wbh1WpH1A edWYdcGArYmj15XFS5WYrRjEmKwU75CC/3ffjcIdHcY4yd+Am/YDtHZMblplwlJ1TqNl WdXzq4TCmSiTVY71qptYkfrcIbXClZ4tUbTiQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=hcZEPeY/OKr8/OTIIXyFlIfpPMyHqz4arR0R+B1TpVrh+h/R+JLkHJS2+FO1+JXY8Q YKDyc67NzRZQKZX/02dql68WLaFz955SWy4bP4nQ9GLPtUc0Xbkf/SquujLhNDuf/LVU pivweKLs+Ao4ujvn1xezME++ZTJcusywNKfgE= Received: by 83.161.120.155 with SMTP id f15mr5256647wfe.96.1217910860673; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 83.161.120.155 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <wayne03@example.net> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:34:20 -0700 From: "Luciano Resende" <wayne03@example.net> To: "Angela Cymbalak" <wayne03@example.net> Subject: Re: JCR implementation Cc: wayne03@example.net In-Reply-To: <wayne03@example.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <wayne03@example.net> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Angela Cymbalak <wayne03@example.net> wrote: > Its been a few days but I have the extraordinarily basic JCR implementation > finished. It just reads a directory and puts the .jpg files that it finds > in that directory into the JCR. I can generate the list of strings that > Luciano's tuscany app needs. After that, I get more unsure. Great that you were able to make progress .... ready for a patch ? > > In the photo-gallery.composite file there is the section: > > <component name="GalleryPictures"> > <t:implementation.resource > location="gallery"></t:implementation.resource> > </component> > > I believe this is the section that tells Tuscany where to actually serve the > images from. You got it right, implementation.resources is basically used serve the resources using http. > I believe that this needs to be changed into something that > more closely resembles the Album component, with an actual class definition, > in order to get the images out of the JCR instead of from the file system. > Yes, i think we need a JCR Album, and them wire the application to use this new implementation. As for serving the images from JCR, I think there is a simple way solve the issue by implementing a simple "rest get interface" that in conjunction with the http binding should serve the images for us... I'll take a wayne03@example.net... > I'll sleep on it, but if any help magically comes my way overnight (even in > the form of a pointer to the appropriate Tuscany docs) it would be much > appreciated. > > Angie > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: wayne03@example.net > For additional commands, e-mail: wayne03@example.net > > -- Luciano Resende Apache Tuscany Committer http://people.apache.org/~lresende http://lresende.blogspot.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: wayne03@example.net For additional commands, e-mail: wayne03@example.net From projects-returnwayne03@example.net Tue Aug 05 16:08:22 2008 Return-Path: <projects-returnwayne03@example.net> Delivered-To: wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 32511 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 16:08:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 16:08:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 80666 invoked by uid 500); 5 Aug 2008 16:08:20 -0000 Delivered-To: wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 80362 invoked by uid 500); 5 Aug 2008 16:08:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact wayne03@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Id: <projects.incubator.apache.org> Delivered-To: mailing list wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 80349 invoked by uid 99); 5 Aug 2008 16:08:19 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 09:08:19 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=10.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:07:21 +0000 Received: from [83.161.120.155] (e180037027.adsl.alicedsl.de [83.161.120.155]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwh2-1KQP4b3jLP-0000rl; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:07:47 +0200 Message-ID: <wayne03@example.net> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:11:25 +0200 From: Roland Weber <wayne03@example.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:83.161.120.155) Gecko/20080720 SeaMonkey/1.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wayne03@example.net Subject: looking for a new name (was: Moving towards a proposed vote) References: <wayne03@example.net> <wayne03@example.net> In-Reply-To: <wayne03@example.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19LTCukQuwGx1GL8U3+n0ANaTS9XUIbQEZXlc5 7vmu9Bmhph2peNzzX+b21/lB8Y+dvxJZ+RalcJCqrplRYrHJoW oRzkCPcARuDaLC0dDvgJ/Qalib3zAR0 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Alright, PicaGalley won't pass for a name. Too close to "Picasa". The one I thought of later was "Pigalle", though that has some possibly unwanted connotations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigalle or we switch back to "LibraLux"... cheers, Roland > suggestions were: > Phos Librarius > LibraLux > PhosBiblioteka > BiblioPic > PicAndMix > PhoGal > PhoGa > Foga > SnapLib > SnapStore > PicStore > SnapShow > PicShow > PicLib > > I like LibraLux and PicAndMix if I can vote for two. :-) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: wayne03@example.net For additional commands, e-mail: wayne03@example.net From projects-returnwayne03@example.net Tue Aug 05 16:56:12 2008 Return-Path: <projects-returnwayne03@example.net> Delivered-To: wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 63765 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 16:56:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 16:56:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 52710 invoked by uid 500); 5 Aug 2008 16:56:11 -0000 Delivered-To: wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 52684 invoked by uid 500); 5 Aug 2008 16:56:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact wayne03@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Id: <projects.incubator.apache.org> Delivered-To: mailing list wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 52668 invoked by uid 99); 5 Aug 2008 16:56:11 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 09:56:11 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=MISSING_MID,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO server.nechtandesign.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:55:14 +0000 Received: from c-24-3-240-68.hsd1.pa.comcast.net ([83.161.120.155] helo=Angie-PC.nechtan.org) by server.nechtandesign.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <wayne03@example.net>) id 1KQPlv-0008Tb-HV; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:52:31 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 83.161.120.155 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:52:28 -0400 To: "Luciano Resende" <wayne03@example.net> From: Angela Cymbalak <wayne03@example.net> Subject: Re: JCR implementation Cc: wayne03@example.net In-Reply-To: <wayne03@example.net m> References: <wayne03@example.net> <wayne03@example.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.nechtandesign.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - incubator.apache.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - nechtan.org X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Message-Id: <wayne03@example.net> >Great that you were able to make progress .... ready for a patch ? Not quite. My getPictures method returns an array of strings just as your getPictures method did. And the strings should have the same location that yours returned. However, when I run the gallery the Javascript alert box comes up saying "undefined". I've tried adding println statements to do some debugging to both the Init method and the getPictures method. However, the lines are never printed and it doesn't appear that the repository is getting built. Can you give me a quick tour on when the Init and the getPictures methods are called? It seems as though it should be self explanatory but so far I haven't been able to figure out why I'm not seeing anything that I added. Angie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: wayne03@example.net For additional commands, e-mail: wayne03@example.net From projects-returnwayne03@example.net Tue Aug 05 20:49:32 2008 Return-Path: <projects-returnwayne03@example.net> Delivered-To: wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 47948 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 20:49:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 20:49:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 65824 invoked by uid 500); 5 Aug 2008 20:49:31 -0000 Delivered-To: wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 65786 invoked by uid 500); 5 Aug 2008 20:49:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact wayne03@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Id: <projects.incubator.apache.org> Delivered-To: mailing list wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 65775 invoked by uid 99); 5 Aug 2008 20:49:31 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:49:31 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=MISSING_MID,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO server.nechtandesign.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:48:34 +0000 Received: from c-24-3-240-68.hsd1.mn.comcast.net ([83.161.120.155] helo=Angie-PC.nechtan.org) by server.nechtandesign.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <wayne03@example.net>) id 1KQTSl-0006qg-RG for wayne03@example.net; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:49:00 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 83.161.120.155 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:48:55 -0400 To: wayne03@example.net From: Angela Cymbalak <wayne03@example.net> Subject: Re: looking for a new name (was: Moving towards a proposed vote) In-Reply-To: <wayne03@example.net> References: <wayne03@example.net> <wayne03@example.net> <wayne03@example.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.nechtandesign.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - incubator.apache.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - nechtan.org X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Message-Id: <wayne03@example.net> Should this go to legal discuss to see what the lawyers say? It seems there are a few who are unsure about the name but others who don't see a similarity. Plus, as Craig mentioned, Pica is a very normal word to use in the line of photo galleries. Angie At 12:11 PM 8/5/2008, Roland Weber wrote: >Alright, PicaGalley won't pass for a name. >Too close to "Picasa". The one I thought of >later was "Pigalle", though that has some >possibly unwanted connotations: >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigalle > >or we switch back to "LibraLux"... > >cheers, > Roland > >>suggestions were: >>Phos Librarius >>LibraLux >>PhosBiblioteka >>BiblioPic >>PicAndMix >>PhoGal >>PhoGa >>Foga >>SnapLib >>SnapStore >>PicStore >>SnapShow >>PicShow >>PicLib >>I like LibraLux and PicAndMix if I can vote for two. :-) > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: wayne03@example.net >For additional commands, e-mail: wayne03@example.net > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: wayne03@example.net For additional commands, e-mail: wayne03@example.net From projects-returnwayne03@example.net Tue Aug 05 23:56:52 2008 Return-Path: <projects-returnwayne03@example.net> Delivered-To: wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 12511 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 23:56:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 23:56:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 26573 invoked by uid 500); 5 Aug 2008 23:56:51 -0000 Delivered-To: wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 26531 invoked by uid 500); 5 Aug 2008 23:56:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact wayne03@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Id: <projects.incubator.apache.org> Delivered-To: mailing list wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 26520 invoked by uid 99); 5 Aug 2008 23:56:51 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:56:51 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=MISSING_MID,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO server.nechtandesign.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:55:54 +0000 Received: from c-24-3-240-68.hsd1.mn.comcast.net ([83.161.120.155] helo=Angie-PC.nechtan.org) by server.nechtandesign.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <wayne03@example.net>) id 1KQWO4-0007o2-Gq for wayne03@example.net; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:56:20 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 83.161.120.155 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:49:50 -0400 To: wayne03@example.net From: Angela Cymbalak <wayne03@example.net> Subject: only half working Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.nechtandesign.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - incubator.apache.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - nechtan.org X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Message-Id: <wayne03@example.net> OK, I did more reading to confirm what I thought was going on. I put the new code at http://www.nechtandesign.com/PicaGalley.zip It still isn't running correctly. It just appears that the method marked with @Init is never getting called but that just doesn't make sense. Is this something that needs addressed in the composite file? Angie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: wayne03@example.net For additional commands, e-mail: wayne03@example.net From projects-returnwayne03@example.net Wed Aug 06 14:43:45 2008 Return-Path: <projects-returnwayne03@example.net> Delivered-To: wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 54836 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 14:43:45 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 14:43:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 62758 invoked by uid 500); 6 Aug 2008 14:43:44 -0000 Delivered-To: wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 62739 invoked by uid 500); 6 Aug 2008 14:43:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact wayne03@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Id: <projects.incubator.apache.org> Delivered-To: mailing list wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 62728 invoked by uid 99); 6 Aug 2008 14:43:44 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 07:43:44 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=10.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:42:48 +0000 Received: from [83.161.120.155] (e180030072.adsl.alicedsl.de [83.161.120.155]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML29c-1KQkDr1YU1-00011f; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:42:44 +0200 Message-ID: <wayne03@example.net> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:46:35 +0200 From: Roland Weber <wayne03@example.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:83.161.120.155) Gecko/20080720 SeaMonkey/1.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wayne03@example.net Subject: Re: looking for a new name References: <wayne03@example.net> <wayne03@example.net> <wayne03@example.net> <wayne03@example.net> In-Reply-To: <wayne03@example.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19C4biCHgCUhv3t73awnkljgxnfZ/4k6uXq0P6 cSYm93/izlNF3vD5s+Pyex0HirgZ9QL4k7oWKPj4aPoyS0hZC/ lTsgvL4KdQa+fHVGYsBovxCuoGn6aYu X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Hi Angie, > Should this go to legal discuss to see what the lawyers say? The lawyers rarely post on legal-discuss. The list is mostly populated by regular non-lawyer people with an interest in the legal minefield, like myself. It's not a place to discuss (non)similarity of names, and I'm pretty sure that no lawyer would enter the discussion. > It seems > there are a few who are unsure about the name but others who don't see a > similarity. Plus, as Craig mentioned, Pica is a very normal word to use > in the line of photo galleries. Well, the options I see are: A. enter incubation as PicaGalley and... A1. try to keep the name and hope that nobody objects on graduation A2. seek a statement from Google that they don't object to our usage of the name A3. change the name later before graduation or B. settle on a new name that doesn't raise any concerns If you're _really_ attached to PicaGalley, you could go for A2. But I doubt that you'll get that kind of statement from Google. A1 is a poor strategy, and graduation might even be delayed not because of the name, but because we didn't address the concerns, at the time when they were raised, in "The Apache Way". That is by seeking the broadest possible consensus. It's not like we have an existing OSS project with many users that would have to learn a new name. We're starting from scratch, and the preliminary name has only been used for three weeks internally. (as "internal" as discussions on public mailing lists can be :-) So my recommendation clearly is B. Additional suggestions on general@ by Martijn were "Snapshot" and "Shutter". Unfortunately, I don't know a catchy translation for the german word "Schuhkarton" (shoe box), which in reality is a much more common place than an album for keeping physical photographies :-) cheers, Roland >> Pigalle >>> Phos Librarius >>> LibraLux >>> PhosBiblioteka >>> BiblioPic >>> PicAndMix >>> PhoGal >>> PhoGa >>> Foga >>> SnapLib >>> SnapStore >>> PicStore >>> SnapShow >>> PicShow >>> PicLib --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: wayne03@example.net For additional commands, e-mail: wayne03@example.net From projects-returnwayne03@example.net Wed Aug 06 17:55:29 2008 Return-Path: <projects-returnwayne03@example.net> Delivered-To: wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 97458 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 17:55:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 17:55:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 57601 invoked by uid 500); 6 Aug 2008 17:55:28 -0000 Delivered-To: wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 57578 invoked by uid 500); 6 Aug 2008 17:55:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact wayne03@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Id: <projects.incubator.apache.org> Delivered-To: mailing list wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 57560 invoked by uid 99); 6 Aug 2008 17:55:28 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:55:28 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=10.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of wayne03@example.net designates 83.161.120.155 as permitted sender) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:54:32 +0000 Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so20639yxh.0 for <wayne03@example.net>; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:54:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=tokH32IzdwKrjOiTuIXfgJ4toUgHr2ebamdiYkHJj38=; b=x4Xi0Y9d13EwprpBH8RaM8CH8b6JiKU4TchUxF1yvtiHtQj4C6mo5ZmWnzXaFsiGrn WeXcHpnZJvpyZD2nuMT8f6ArdNW1FN6Y9HL49dVun4iJzkFuFJjirVza1VLqGfuUrXId zOCymaBbSyzTilrrKhgDg30RgwD3mmaut6NiU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=vTtolLxNkgOLAuX5fRzAdlwpaxX0mYqw9S0L2gBBrPrvZdOVlFk4EdekNwKN+6sxDS PBHzUZoNPFxp7H6JsKTd1Hfw0PniyLDVUOzRLG3JXNaQ7fcVslm3wVs9L4YfzWhyVFva 2vPJsjsgfcSedLziH5T+Qc+I3CNB2hiYiEveQ= Received: by 83.161.120.155 with SMTP id h5mr3736185ybo.247.1218045282277; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 83.161.120.155 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 10:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <wayne03@example.net> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 10:54:42 -0700 From: "Martin Cooper" <wayne03@example.net> Sender: wayne03@example.net To: "Roland Weber" <wayne03@example.net> Subject: Re: looking for a new name Cc: wayne03@example.net In-Reply-To: <wayne03@example.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18093_21408341.1218045282278" References: <wayne03@example.net> <wayne03@example.net> <wayne03@example.net> <wayne03@example.net> <wayne03@example.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 17e293cb6d50979f X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org ------=_Part_18093_21408341.1218045282278 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Roland Weber <wayne03@example.net> wrote: > Hi Angie, > > Should this go to legal discuss to see what the lawyers say? >> > > The lawyers rarely post on legal-discuss. The list is > mostly populated by regular non-lawyer people with an > interest in the legal minefield, like myself. It's not > a place to discuss (non)similarity of names, and I'm > pretty sure that no lawyer would enter the discussion. > > It seems there are a few who are unsure about the name but others who >> don't see a similarity. Plus, as Craig mentioned, Pica is a very normal >> word to use in the line of photo galleries. >> > > Well, the options I see are: > > A. enter incubation as PicaGalley and... > A1. try to keep the name and hope that nobody objects > on graduation > A2. seek a statement from Google that they don't > object to our usage of the name > A3. change the name later before graduation > or > B. settle on a new name that doesn't raise any concerns > > If you're _really_ attached to PicaGalley, you could > go for A2. But I doubt that you'll get that kind of > statement from Google. A1 is a poor strategy, and > graduation might even be delayed not because of the > name, but because we didn't address the concerns, at > the time when they were raised, in "The Apache Way". > That is by seeking the broadest possible consensus. > > It's not like we have an existing OSS project with > many users that would have to learn a new name. > We're starting from scratch, and the preliminary > name has only been used for three weeks internally. > (as "internal" as discussions on public mailing > lists can be :-) So my recommendation clearly is B. > > > Additional suggestions on general@ by Martijn were > "Snapshot" and "Shutter". Unfortunately, I don't > know a catchy translation for the german word > "Schuhkarton" (shoe box), which in reality is a > much more common place than an album for keeping > physical photographies :-) Shoebox would be a fine name. :-) -- Martin Cooper > > cheers, > Roland > > > Pigalle >>> >>>> Phos Librarius >>>> LibraLux >>>> PhosBiblioteka >>>> BiblioPic >>>> PicAndMix >>>> PhoGal >>>> PhoGa >>>> Foga >>>> SnapLib >>>> SnapStore >>>> PicStore >>>> SnapShow >>>> PicShow >>>> PicLib >>>> >>> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: wayne03@example.net > For additional commands, e-mail: wayne03@example.net > > ------=_Part_18093_21408341.1218045282278-- From projects-returnwayne03@example.net Wed Aug 06 18:48:05 2008 Return-Path: <projects-returnwayne03@example.net> Delivered-To: wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 44443 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 18:48:05 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 18:48:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 72080 invoked by uid 500); 6 Aug 2008 18:48:04 -0000 Delivered-To: wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 72055 invoked by uid 500); 6 Aug 2008 18:48:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact wayne03@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Id: <projects.incubator.apache.org> Delivered-To: mailing list wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 72044 invoked by uid 99); 6 Aug 2008 18:48:04 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:48:04 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=MISSING_MID,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO server.nechtandesign.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:47:06 +0000 Received: from c-24-3-240-68.hsd1.mn.comcast.net ([83.161.120.155] helo=Angie-PC.nechtan.org) by server.nechtandesign.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <wayne03@example.net>) id 1KQo2m-0007va-Bl for wayne03@example.net; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:47:32 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 83.161.120.155 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:47:29 -0400 To: wayne03@example.net From: Angela Cymbalak <wayne03@example.net> Subject: Re: looking for a new name In-Reply-To: <wayne03@example.net m> References: <wayne03@example.net> <wayne03@example.net> <wayne03@example.net> <wayne03@example.net> <wayne03@example.net> <wayne03@example.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.nechtandesign.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - incubator.apache.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - nechtan.org X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Message-Id: <wayne03@example.net> I have to go with something Noel mentioned when we first started discussing the name. He said (paraphrase) that it is much easier to settle on a name before setting up all the resources (maillists, jira, etc.) Therefore, I think that we should address the concerns now before the infrastructure for the project is set up. I have no problem with 2A but I do fear that Google may not give the statement. I have a sneaking suspicion that companies only decide that a name is "too close" when the new product starts getting big enough to encroach on "their turf". It may be easier to just avoid the question altogether. There is also option 3, which I think would also be in the Apache way. That would be, call a vote on it and see who thinks the name is too close. But, that could just drag things out. All that being said, I like either Snapshot or Shutter. However, Shutter is taken[1]. SnapShot is also taken[2]. I did appreciate the alliterations on general@ with that one, btw. Neither of these pieces of software is close to what we are doing so does that matter? For what it is worth, Shoebox is the name of a software company[3]. Can we do a play on the Louvre? Can we steal Click from that project? My list: Lewva PixPlace Blur PixBlur I'm liking Lewva and Blur myself. I do also like SchuhKarton, the only drawback being the length. Angie [1]http://www.cygnet-infotech.com/Screenshot/Shutter-Manufacturing-System-software.htm [2]http://www.allworldsoft.com/software/10-171-web-page-snapshot.htm [3]http://www.download.com/Shoebox-Software/3260-20_4-6283782.html At 01:54 PM 8/6/2008, Martin Cooper wrote: >On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Roland Weber <wayne03@example.net> wrote: > > > Hi Angie, > > > > Should this go to legal discuss to see what the lawyers say? > >> > > > > The lawyers rarely post on legal-discuss. The list is > > mostly populated by regular non-lawyer people with an > > interest in the legal minefield, like myself. It's not > > a place to discuss (non)similarity of names, and I'm > > pretty sure that no lawyer would enter the discussion. > > > > It seems there are a few who are unsure about the name but others who > >> don't see a similarity. Plus, as Craig mentioned, Pica is a very normal > >> word to use in the line of photo galleries. > >> > > > > Well, the options I see are: > > > > A. enter incubation as PicaGalley and... > > A1. try to keep the name and hope that nobody objects > > on graduation > > A2. seek a statement from Google that they don't > > object to our usage of the name > > A3. change the name later before graduation > > or > > B. settle on a new name that doesn't raise any concerns > > > > If you're _really_ attached to PicaGalley, you could > > go for A2. But I doubt that you'll get that kind of > > statement from Google. A1 is a poor strategy, and > > graduation might even be delayed not because of the > > name, but because we didn't address the concerns, at > > the time when they were raised, in "The Apache Way". > > That is by seeking the broadest possible consensus. > > > > It's not like we have an existing OSS project with > > many users that would have to learn a new name. > > We're starting from scratch, and the preliminary > > name has only been used for three weeks internally. > > (as "internal" as discussions on public mailing > > lists can be :-) So my recommendation clearly is B. > > > > > > Additional suggestions on general@ by Martijn were > > "Snapshot" and "Shutter". Unfortunately, I don't > > know a catchy translation for the german word > > "Schuhkarton" (shoe box), which in reality is a > > much more common place than an album for keeping > > physical photographies :-) > > >Shoebox would be a fine name. :-) > >-- >Martin Cooper > > > > > > > cheers, > > Roland > > > > > > Pigalle > >>> > >>>> Phos Librarius > >>>> LibraLux > >>>> PhosBiblioteka > >>>> BiblioPic > >>>> PicAndMix > >>>> PhoGal > >>>> PhoGa > >>>> Foga > >>>> SnapLib > >>>> SnapStore > >>>> PicStore > >>>> SnapShow > >>>> PicShow > >>>> PicLib > >>>> > >>> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: wayne03@example.net > > For additional commands, e-mail: wayne03@example.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: wayne03@example.net For additional commands, e-mail: wayne03@example.net From projects-returnwayne03@example.net Wed Aug 06 19:08:02 2008 Return-Path: <projects-returnwayne03@example.net> Delivered-To: wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 58229 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 19:08:02 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 19:08:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 99339 invoked by uid 500); 6 Aug 2008 19:08:02 -0000 Delivered-To: wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 99256 invoked by uid 500); 6 Aug 2008 19:08:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact wayne03@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Id: <projects.incubator.apache.org> Delivered-To: mailing list wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 99245 invoked by uid 99); 6 Aug 2008 19:08:01 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 12:08:01 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=10.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of wayne03@example.net designates 83.161.120.155 as permitted sender) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:07:04 +0000 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so41944ywr.0 for <wayne03@example.net>; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 12:07:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=pwDk6aVgkPmtSe1rVA1Nz5W/5pSMMFD2p8joK2HI4wg=; b=OjDsFk2pvD89rseQeaFZ8Yz0YDG8Q4BhAeJR49kkg9AcNQjlN5TvSyRQ+wH1sqKdfv dPUPYscAbOlIAxaKsGcFf8ja+jiBq/lSRBpnNFowtwtbEgECJXaRpH74cGKAgXyJKkro kHxZLNHForEYo5o7W/BoKyrrHyQaAP6cfrYvk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=sW9yTzqIfaQNmyKqPX6WX5djVbF2vxLas/lp2Egyf3Hj26/PWkeTYXSWgcTxuBdHbV 7CBpa8i4e7fYAu1sHqRc4C5AsiTPi9GN3m4YIw9zNkOjTGs1ZzS0WzXzBWkkyZyvN0YH wS/p1VRxDmPUYEBfsFid/YkorLlXR/v/7Ndig= Received: by 83.161.120.155 with SMTP id d20mr3845722ybe.240.1218049640765; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 12:07:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 83.161.120.155 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 12:07:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <wayne03@example.net> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 12:07:20 -0700 From: "Martin Cooper" <wayne03@example.net> Sender: wayne03@example.net To: "Angela Cymbalak" <wayne03@example.net> Subject: Re: looking for a new name Cc: wayne03@example.net In-Reply-To: <wayne03@example.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18888_6509161.1218049640757" References: <wayne03@example.net> <wayne03@example.net> <wayne03@example.net> <wayne03@example.net> <wayne03@example.net> <wayne03@example.net> <wayne03@example.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5cd46293ef009fb5 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org ------=_Part_18888_6509161.1218049640757 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Angela Cymbalak <wayne03@example.net>wrote: > I have to go with something Noel mentioned when we first started discussing > the name. He said (paraphrase) that it is much easier to settle on a name > before setting up all the resources (maillists, jira, etc.) Therefore, I > think that we should address the concerns now before the infrastructure for > the project is set up. > > I have no problem with 2A but I do fear that Google may not give the > statement. I have a sneaking suspicion that companies only decide that a > name is "too close" when the new product starts getting big enough to > encroach on "their turf". It may be easier to just avoid the question > altogether. > > There is also option 3, which I think would also be in the Apache way. > That would be, call a vote on it and see who thinks the name is too close. > But, that could just drag things out. > > All that being said, I like either Snapshot or Shutter. However, Shutter > is taken[1]. SnapShot is also taken[2]. I did appreciate the > alliterations on general@ with that one, btw. Neither of these pieces of > software is close to what we are doing so does that matter? > > For what it is worth, Shoebox is the name of a software company[3]. > > Can we do a play on the Louvre? Can we steal Click from that project? > > My list: > Lewva > PixPlace > Blur > PixBlur > > I'm liking Lewva and Blur myself. I do also like SchuhKarton, the only > drawback being the length. Lewva sounds too much like "loofah" to me. I like Blur, though. -- Martin Cooper > > > Angie > > [1] > http://www.cygnet-infotech.com/Screenshot/Shutter-Manufacturing-System-software.htm > [2]http://www.allworldsoft.com/software/10-171-web-page-snapshot.htm > [3]http://www.download.com/Shoebox-Software/3260-20_4-6283782.html > > > At 01:54 PM 8/6/2008, Martin Cooper wrote: > >> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Roland Weber <wayne03@example.net> wrote: >> >> > Hi Angie, >> > >> > Should this go to legal discuss to see what the lawyers say? >> >> >> > >> > The lawyers rarely post on legal-discuss. The list is >> > mostly populated by regular non-lawyer people with an >> > interest in the legal minefield, like myself. It's not >> > a place to discuss (non)similarity of names, and I'm >> > pretty sure that no lawyer would enter the discussion. >> > >> > It seems there are a few who are unsure about the name but others who >> >> don't see a similarity. Plus, as Craig mentioned, Pica is a very >> normal >> >> word to use in the line of photo galleries. >> >> >> > >> > Well, the options I see are: >> > >> > A. enter incubation as PicaGalley and... >> > A1. try to keep the name and hope that nobody objects >> > on graduation >> > A2. seek a statement from Google that they don't >> > object to our usage of the name >> > A3. change the name later before graduation >> > or >> > B. settle on a new name that doesn't raise any concerns >> > >> > If you're _really_ attached to PicaGalley, you could >> > go for A2. But I doubt that you'll get that kind of >> > statement from Google. A1 is a poor strategy, and >> > graduation might even be delayed not because of the >> > name, but because we didn't address the concerns, at >> > the time when they were raised, in "The Apache Way". >> > That is by seeking the broadest possible consensus. >> > >> > It's not like we have an existing OSS project with >> > many users that would have to learn a new name. >> > We're starting from scratch, and the preliminary >> > name has only been used for three weeks internally. >> > (as "internal" as discussions on public mailing >> > lists can be :-) So my recommendation clearly is B. >> > >> > >> > Additional suggestions on general@ by Martijn were >> > "Snapshot" and "Shutter". Unfortunately, I don't >> > know a catchy translation for the german word >> > "Schuhkarton" (shoe box), which in reality is a >> > much more common place than an album for keeping >> > physical photographies :-) >> >> >> Shoebox would be a fine name. :-) >> >> -- >> Martin Cooper >> >> >> >> > >> > cheers, >> > Roland >> > >> > >> > Pigalle >> >>> >> >>>> Phos Librarius >> >>>> LibraLux >> >>>> PhosBiblioteka >> >>>> BiblioPic >> >>>> PicAndMix >> >>>> PhoGal >> >>>> PhoGa >> >>>> Foga >> >>>> SnapLib >> >>>> SnapStore >> >>>> PicStore >> >>>> SnapShow >> >>>> PicShow >> >>>> PicLib >> >>>> >> >>> >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: wayne03@example.net >> > For additional commands, e-mail: wayne03@example.net >> > >> > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: wayne03@example.net > For additional commands, e-mail: wayne03@example.net > > ------=_Part_18888_6509161.1218049640757-- From projects-returnwayne03@example.net Wed Aug 06 19:17:39 2008 Return-Path: <projects-returnwayne03@example.net> Delivered-To: wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 62948 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 19:17:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 19:17:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 11002 invoked by uid 500); 6 Aug 2008 19:17:38 -0000 Delivered-To: wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 10911 invoked by uid 500); 6 Aug 2008 19:17:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact wayne03@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Id: <projects.incubator.apache.org> Delivered-To: mailing list wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 10900 invoked by uid 99); 6 Aug 2008 19:17:38 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 12:17:38 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=MISSING_MID,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO server.nechtandesign.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:16:40 +0000 Received: from c-24-3-240-68.hsd1.pa.comcast.net ([83.161.120.155] helo=Angie-PC.nechtan.org) by server.nechtandesign.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <wayne03@example.net>) id 1KQoVP-0004dK-G2 for wayne03@example.net; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:17:07 -0400 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 83.161.120.155 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:17:02 -0400 To: wayne03@example.net From: Angela Cymbalak <wayne03@example.net> Subject: Re: looking for a new name Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.nechtandesign.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - incubator.apache.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - nechtan.org X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Message-Id: <wayne03@example.net> There was a company named Blur Software but they appear to be going out of business (www.blursoftware.com). I think that Apache Blur would work...other thoughts? Angie At 03:07 PM 8/6/2008, Martin Cooper wrote: >On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Angela Cymbalak ><<mailto:wayne03@example.net>wayne03@example.net> wrote: >I have to go with something Noel mentioned when we first started >discussing the name. He said (paraphrase) that it is much easier to >settle on a name before setting up all the resources (maillists, >jira, etc.) Therefore, I think that we should address the concerns >now before the infrastructure for the project is set up. >I have no problem with 2A but I do fear that Google may not give the >statement. I have a sneaking suspicion that companies only decide >that a name is "too close" when the new product starts getting big >enough to encroach on "their turf". It may be easier to just avoid >the question altogether. >There is also option 3, which I think would also be in the Apache >way. That would be, call a vote on it and see who thinks the name >is too close. But, that could just drag things out. >All that being said, I like either Snapshot or Shutter. However, >Shutter is taken[1]. SnapShot is also taken[2]. I did appreciate >the alliterations on general@ with that one, btw. Neither of these >pieces of software is close to what we are doing so does that matter? >For what it is worth, Shoebox is the name of a software company[3]. >Can we do a play on the Louvre? Can we steal Click from that project? >My list: >Lewva >PixPlace >Blur >PixBlur >I'm liking Lewva and Blur myself. I do also like SchuhKarton, the >only drawback being the length. > > >Lewva sounds too much like "loofah" to me. I like Blur, though. > >-- >Martin Cooper > > > >Angie >[1]<http://www.cygnet-infotech.com/Screenshot/Shutter-Manufacturing-System-software.htm>http://www.cygnet-infotech.com/Screenshot/Shutter-Manufacturing-System-software.htm > >[2]<http://www.allworldsoft.com/software/10-171-web-page-snapshot.htm>http://www.allworldsoft.com/software/10-171-web-page-snapshot.htm > >[3]<http://www.download.com/Shoebox-Software/3260-20_4-6283782.html>http://www.download.com/Shoebox-Software/3260-20_4-6283782.html > >At 01:54 PM 8/6/2008, Martin Cooper wrote: >On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Roland Weber ><<mailto:wayne03@example.net>wayne03@example.net> wrote: > > Hi Angie, > > > > Should this go to legal discuss to see what the lawyers say? > >> > > > > The lawyers rarely post on legal-discuss. The list is > > mostly populated by regular non-lawyer people with an > > interest in the legal minefield, like myself. It's not > > a place to discuss (non)similarity of names, and I'm > > pretty sure that no lawyer would enter the discussion. > > > > It seems there are a few who are unsure about the name but others who > >> don't see a similarity. Plus, as Craig mentioned, Pica is a very normal > >> word to use in the line of photo galleries. > >> > > > > Well, the options I see are: > > > > A. enter incubation as PicaGalley and... > > A1. try to keep the name and hope that nobody objects > > on graduation > > A2. seek a statement from Google that they don't > > object to our usage of the name > > A3. change the name later before graduation > > or > > B. settle on a new name that doesn't raise any concerns > > > > If you're _really_ attached to PicaGalley, you could > > go for A2. But I doubt that you'll get that kind of > > statement from Google. A1 is a poor strategy, and > > graduation might even be delayed not because of the > > name, but because we didn't address the concerns, at > > the time when they were raised, in "The Apache Way". > > That is by seeking the broadest possible consensus. > > > > It's not like we have an existing OSS project with > > many users that would have to learn a new name. > > We're starting from scratch, and the preliminary > > name has only been used for three weeks internally. > > (as "internal" as discussions on public mailing > > lists can be :-) So my recommendation clearly is B. > > > > > > Additional suggestions on general@ by Martijn were > > "Snapshot" and "Shutter". Unfortunately, I don't > > know a catchy translation for the german word > > "Schuhkarton" (shoe box), which in reality is a > > much more common place than an album for keeping > > physical photographies :-) > >Shoebox would be a fine name. :-) >-- >Martin Cooper > > > > > > cheers, > > Roland > > > > > > Pigalle > >>> > >>>> Phos Librarius > >>>> LibraLux > >>>> PhosBiblioteka > >>>> BiblioPic > >>>> PicAndMix > >>>> PhoGal > >>>> PhoGa > >>>> Foga > >>>> SnapLib > >>>> SnapStore > >>>> PicStore > >>>> SnapShow > >>>> PicShow > >>>> PicLib > >>>> > >>> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > <mailto:wayne03@example.net>wayne03@example.net > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > <mailto:wayne03@example.net>wayne03@example.net > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: ><mailto:wayne03@example.net>wayne03@example.net > >For additional commands, e-mail: ><mailto:wayne03@example.net>wayne03@example.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: wayne03@example.net For additional commands, e-mail: wayne03@example.net From projects-returnwayne03@example.net Wed Aug 06 19:35:41 2008 Return-Path: <projects-returnwayne03@example.net> Delivered-To: wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 78098 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 19:35:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 19:35:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 35999 invoked by uid 500); 6 Aug 2008 19:35:40 -0000 Delivered-To: wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 35958 invoked by uid 500); 6 Aug 2008 19:35:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact wayne03@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:wayne03@example.net> List-Id: <projects.incubator.apache.org> Delivered-To: mailing list wayne03@example.net Received: (qmail 35947 invoked by uid 99); 6 Aug 2008 19:35:40 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 12:35:40 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of wayne03@example.net designates 83.161.120.155 as permitted sender) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:34:42 +0000 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so49202ywr.0 for <wayne03@example.net>; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 12:35:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=o2T7NTcUKObeWW4jUHMZ5nbgddGAb4rSy9WGmNy83Ts=; b=EMGbLeZOKkStF8yvIY/vSmpWACQiPsu0epm/ItpYaziElhfv99tw4hU1QspeeF9RkR h1QYcBZulacX2xSpm7mBnLPTvzg2CCjPKX5Z3dj5sZ63LI1R7YCTZ5GD/wc8q0Db6x8P ozNLV0fmrVQ5acHaZKfe8s45eqy1TOqqfoH9Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=bTPxmtJu6LKFT9/NNWiubtP0RU106M/LLHBja0u8x3JAWsEi1xaHb1+U4owbZHCwAz r17n4RIc3cOWcio9+7mRVQ6BYgu/864fZFZGOrGIQwxXn7xA4NZTPj4ZkBHDLsGLvgRt qy/hp9j1sMtL3erq3oxBEau9uwmto5Tq0HAmk= Received: by 83.161.120.155 with SMTP id w4mr138607wfw.201.1218051308796; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 12:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 83.161.120.155 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 12:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <wayne03@example.net> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 12:35:08 -0700 From: "Luciano Resende" <wayne03@example.net> To: "Angela Cymbalak" <wayne03@example.net> Subject: Re: looking for a new name Cc: wayne03@example.net In-Reply-To: <wayne03@example.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <wayne03@example.net> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Apache Blur sounds interesting. As for the Shutter suggestion, that would most likely have the same naming conflict issue with Shutter Fly. [1] http://www.shutterfly.com On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Angela Cymbalak <wayne03@example.net> wrote: > There was a company named Blur Software but they appear to be going out of > business (www.blursoftware.com). I think that Apache Blur would > work...other thoughts? > > Angie > > At 03:07 PM 8/6/2008, Martin Cooper wrote: > > >> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Angela Cymbalak >> <<mailto:wayne03@example.net>wayne03@example.net> wrote: >> I have to go with something Noel mentioned when we first started >> discussing the name. He said (paraphrase) that it is much easier to settle >> on a name before setting up all the resources (maillists, jira, etc.) >> Therefore, I think that we should address the concerns now before the >> infrastructure for the project is set up. >> I have no problem with 2A but I do fear that Google may not give the >> statement. I have a sneaking suspicion that companies only decide that a >> name is "too close" when the new product starts getting big enough to >> encroach on "their turf". It may be easier to just avoid the question >> altogether. >> There is also option 3, which I think would also be in the Apache way. >> That would be, call a vote on it and see who thinks the name is too close. >> But, that could just drag things out. >> All that being said, I like either Snapshot or Shutter. However, Shutter >> is taken[1]. SnapShot is also taken[2]. I did appreciate the >> alliterations on general@ with that one, btw. Neither of these pieces of >> software is close to what we are doing so does that matter? >> For what it is worth, Shoebox is the name of a software company[3]. >> Can we do a play on the Louvre? Can we steal Click from that project? >> My list: >> Lewva >> PixPlace >> Blur >> PixBlur >> I'm liking Lewva and Blur myself. I do also like SchuhKarton, the only >> drawback being the length. >> >> >> Lewva sounds too much like "loofah" to me. I like Blur, though. >> >> -- >> Martin Cooper >> >> >> >> Angie >> >> [1]<http://www.cygnet-infotech.com/Screenshot/Shutter-Manufacturing-System-software.htm>http://www.cygnet-infotech.com/Screenshot/Shutter-Manufacturing-System-software.htm >> >> [2]<http://www.allworldsoft.com/software/10-171-web-page-snapshot.htm>http://www.allworldsoft.com/software/10-171-web-page-snapshot.htm >> >> [3]<http://www.download.com/Shoebox-Software/3260-20_4-6283782.html>http://www.download.com/Shoebox-Software/3260-20_4-6283782.html >> >> At 01:54 PM 8/6/2008, Martin Cooper wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Roland Weber >> <<mailto:wayne03@example.net>wayne03@example.net> wrote: >> > Hi Angie, >> > >> > Should this go to legal discuss to see what the lawyers say? >> >> >> > >> > The lawyers rarely post on legal-discuss. The list is >> > mostly populated by regular non-lawyer people with an >> > interest in the legal minefield, like myself. It's not >> > a place to discuss (non)similarity of names, and I'm >> > pretty sure that no lawyer would enter the discussion. >> > >> > It seems there are a few who are unsure about the name but others who >> >> don't see a similarity. Plus, as Craig mentioned, Pica is a very >> >> normal >> >> word to use in the line of photo galleries. >> >> >> > >> > Well, the options I see are: >> > >> > A. enter incubation as PicaGalley and... >> > A1. try to keep the name and hope that nobody objects >> > on graduation >> > A2. seek a statement from Google that they don't >> > object to our usage of the name >> > A3. change the name later before graduation >> > or >> > B. settle on a new name that doesn't raise any concerns >> > >> > If you're _really_ attached to PicaGalley, you could >> > go for A2. But I doubt that you'll get that kind of >> > statement from Google. A1 is a poor strategy, and >> > graduation might even be delayed not because of the >> > name, but because we didn't address the concerns, at >> > the time when they were raised, in "The Apache Way". >> > That is by seeking the broadest possible consensus. >> > >> > It's not like we have an existing OSS project with >> > many users that would have to learn a new name. >> > We're starting from scratch, and the preliminary >> > name has only been used for three weeks internally. >> > (as "internal" as discussions on public mailing >> > lists can be :-) So my recommendation clearly is B. >> > >> > >> > Additional suggestions on general@ by Martijn were >> > "Snapshot" and "Shutter". Unfortunately, I don't >> > know a catchy translation for the german word >> > "Schuhkarton" (shoe box), which in reality is a >> > much more common place than an album for keeping >> > physical photographies :-) >> >> Shoebox would be a fine name. :-) >> -- >> Martin Cooper >> >> >> > >> > cheers, >> > Roland >> > >> > >> > Pigalle >> >>> >> >>>> Phos Librarius >> >>>> LibraLux >> >>>> PhosBiblioteka >> >>>> BiblioPic >> >>>> PicAndMix >> >>>> PhoGal >> >>>> PhoGa >> >>>> Foga >> >>>> SnapLib >> >>>> SnapStore >> >>>> PicStore >> >>>> SnapShow >> >>>> PicShow >> >>>> PicLib >> >>>> >> >>> >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> > <mailto:wayne03@example.net>wayne03@example.net >> > For additional commands, e-mail: >> > <mailto:wayne03@example.net>wayne03@example.net
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