From generalraymond76@example.com Thu Jan 01 11:08:30 2004 Return-Path: <generalraymond76@example.com> Delivered-To: raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 53302 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2004 11:08:29 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 1 Jan 2004 11:08:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 13456 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jan 2004 11:07:56 -0000 Delivered-To: raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 13354 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jan 2004 11:07:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact raymond76@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Subscribe: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Help: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Id: "Jakarta General List" <general.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Jakarta General List" <raymond76@example.com> Delivered-To: mailing list raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 13305 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2004 11:07:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO set.superlinksoftware.com) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 1 Jan 2004 11:07:54 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([83.161.120.155]) by set.superlinksoftware.com (JAMES SMTP Server 2.1) with SMTP ID 499; Thu, 1 Jan 2004 05:37:11 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/83.161.120.155702.0 Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 06:01:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status From: "Andrew C. Oliver" <raymond76@example.com> To: Jakarta General List <raymond76@example.com>, Tetsuya Kitahata <raymond76@example.com> Message-ID: <raymond76@example.com> In-Reply-To: <raymond76@example.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Dude...three words: "switch to decaf" ;-) -Andy -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? The views expressed in this email are those of the author and are almost definitely not shared by the Apache Software Foundation, its board or its general membership. In fact they probably most definitively disagree with everything espoused in the above email. > From: Tetsuya Kitahata <raymond76@example.com> > Organization: The Apache Software Foundation, Committer > Reply-To: "Jakarta General List" <raymond76@example.com> > Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 05:04:32 +0900 > To: "Jakarta General List" <raymond76@example.com> > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status > > On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:27:30 -0500 > Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > >>> In HTTPD/APR world. mostly Apache MEMBERS = Apache COMMITTERS. >>> (OH, you pointed it our, 6 months ago ;-)! >> You must mean HTTPD PMC Members ~= HTTPD Committers more ore less. Yes. > > Obvious. HTTPD (Apache HTTP WebServer Project) does not > have *general* list. That's all. > > # Jakarta should have it's own way, i hope. If Jakarta can't have such, > # the "board" would be *wrong* ... that's all. > > >> Size matters. This is obviously not feasible for Jakarta as we are >> demonstrating so aptly. > > Wow, Great. Size matter? Could you please describe the committer*ness* > @ http://jakarta.apache.org/site/whoweare.html > ?? ... more ?? ;-) > > Can you describe the all the committers/PMC members@ > http://jakarta.apache.org/site/whoweare.html > , by the way? ;-) > >>> You/I "can" see the difference. Yep. This is the root of the evil. >>> This *MUST* be fixed. >>> I'd like to see the "jakarta XXX PMC" groups to be organized into >>> subgroups realms. "Jakarta" has it's own brand. You can have either >>> "Jakarta POI" or "Apache POI", i guess... subsets of the group. >>> .. thus would be integrated into the jakarta PMC in the near future. >> This is essentially the formalization of how it is of course. > > Okeydokey > >>> Suffices. APR/HTTPD guys would be gratified, i hope. >>> Could you please explain why the discussion lasts forever? >> First, we're trying too many people come to a consensus on a non-technical >> issue. Second, because we're trying to over-manage and uber-manage things. > > Yes, i know that non-technical issue should be open. > >> It will only get worse. It would be even worse if it were in private. > > I can not trust you ;-) . (joke) so I do not make such an issue > to be in private :-) // nothing to be got worse > >> My point was merely to point out the puppet strings, not to join the >> puppets. ;-) > > Puppet? Andy? ... are you puppet? ... of what? > > I am sure that you are *far from* the puppet of XYZ .. > ... as you are the puppet of the united states :-). > > I am sure that you guys are wrong about the interpretations > of the comments from the board members. I'd like to see the > board members opinions here @ general@apache, directly. > > ... Critical issue... maybe ... D'OH > > We, Jakarta-n, should *not* be humiliated by the BOARD members ;-) > I'd like to have the opinions from board members directly here. > This might improve the PMCness of the Jakarta, i hope. > > -- > > I'd like to know why the PMC list @ jakarta *WAS* full of disputes > over the TLP-ness of XYZ ... Andy, could you please explain this more? > > Thanks, godness > > > > -- Tetsuya. (raymond76@example.com) > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: raymond76@example.com > For additional commands, e-mail: raymond76@example.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: raymond76@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: raymond76@example.com From generalraymond76@example.com Fri Jan 02 09:15:22 2004 Return-Path: <generalraymond76@example.com> Delivered-To: raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 46432 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2004 09:15:21 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 2 Jan 2004 09:15:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 50246 invoked by uid 500); 2 Jan 2004 09:14:50 -0000 Delivered-To: raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 50161 invoked by uid 500); 2 Jan 2004 09:14:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact raymond76@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Subscribe: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Help: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Id: "Jakarta General List" <general.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Jakarta General List" <raymond76@example.com> Delivered-To: mailing list raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 50148 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2004 09:14:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miss-sneaky.slc.co.uk) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 2 Jan 2004 09:14:49 -0000 Received: from emerald.slc.co.uk (unverified) by miss-sneaky.slc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id <raymond76@example.com> for <raymond76@example.com>; Fri, 2 Jan 2004 09:15:01 +0000 Subject: Re: [License] for jars in CVS To: "Jakarta General List" <raymond76@example.com> X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.10 March 22, 2002 Message-ID: <raymond76@example.com> From: Danny Angus <raymond76@example.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 09:15:00 +0000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Emerald/SLC(601CF1HF69 | May 28, 2003) at 02/01/2004 09:15:01 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > I see what you are saying, but why is this an issue only with OGNL? Is it because of license > incompatibilities? 'Cause there are other jars in CVS both Apache and non-Apache. Harish, It isn't only an issue with OGNL, it is a general issue which has been bubbling away for months. In principle it is not good to have Jars in CVS. In practice it makes life much easier for many people. There are moves afoot to produce some kind of jar download site which would provide the convenience of automated downloads with Ant or Maven, and comply with licence issues, and not require jars to be in CVS, cvs is not great at handling binaries. d. *************************************************************************** The information in this e-mail is confidential and for use by the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient (or responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient) please notify us immediately on 0141 306 2050 and delete the message from your computer. 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McClanahan" <raymond76@example.com> To: Jakarta General List <raymond76@example.com> Subject: Re: [License] for jars in CVS References: <raymond76@example.com> In-Reply-To: <raymond76@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 83.161.120.155 X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Quoting Danny Angus <raymond76@example.com>: > > > > > > I see what you are saying, but why is this an issue only with OGNL? Is it > because of license > > incompatibilities? 'Cause there are other jars in CVS both Apache and > non-Apache. > Harish, > > It isn't only an issue with OGNL, it is a general issue which has been > bubbling away for months. > In principle it is not good to have Jars in CVS. In practice it makes life > much easier for many people. It also makes it more difficult for many other people -- especially those that need to integrate lots of open source projects (with overlapping dependencies) together. The goal here is to ensure that all the modules you want to create are built with (and tested with) the *same* versions of the common dependencies, not the ones whose jars happen to be checked in to CVS for that particular module. You still need mechanisms to allow the developer to override the default decisions checked in to the build scripts. For nearly all of the "I've checked in jars for the convenience of developers" packages I've evaluated for use fail to allow such overrides, and hard code their build classpaths to point at the checked in JARs only. > There are moves afoot to produce some kind of > jar download site which would provide the convenience of automated > downloads with Ant or Maven, and comply with licence issues, and not > require jars to be in CVS, cvs is not great at handling binaries. > > d. > Craig McClanahan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: raymond76@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: raymond76@example.com From generalraymond76@example.com Fri Jan 02 19:16:16 2004 Return-Path: <generalraymond76@example.com> Delivered-To: raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 47157 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2004 19:16:15 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 2 Jan 2004 19:16:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 4876 invoked by uid 500); 2 Jan 2004 19:16:01 -0000 Delivered-To: raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 4656 invoked by uid 500); 2 Jan 2004 19:16:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact raymond76@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Subscribe: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Help: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Id: "Jakarta General List" <general.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Jakarta General List" <raymond76@example.com> Delivered-To: mailing list raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 4643 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2004 19:16:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c000.snv.cp.net) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 2 Jan 2004 19:16:00 -0000 Received: (cpmta 15479 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2004 11:16:04 -0800 Received: from 83.161.120.155 (HELO ?83.161.120.155?) by smtp.hatcher.net (83.161.120.155) with SMTP; 2 Jan 2004 11:16:04 -0800 X-Sent: 2 Jan 2004 19:16:04 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <1073070619.3ff5c21b7b103@localhost> References: <raymond76@example.com> <1073070619.3ff5c21b7b103@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <raymond76@example.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Erik Hatcher <raymond76@example.com> Subject: Re: [License] for jars in CVS Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 14:16:04 -0500 To: "Jakarta General List" <raymond76@example.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Jan 2, 2004, at 2:10 PM, Craig R. McClanahan wrote: > You still need mechanisms to allow the developer to override the > default > decisions checked in to the build scripts. For nearly all of the > "I've checked > in jars for the convenience of developers" packages I've evaluated for > use fail > to allow such overrides, and hard code their build classpaths to point > at the > checked in JARs only. Well, we should address bad build file writing more than JAR's in CVS! :) My build files follow this scheme <http://www.ehatchersolutions.com/JavaDevWithAnt/ant.html#lib> - and I have an Ant property for *each* JAR that can be easily overridden at many levels. Erik --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: raymond76@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: raymond76@example.com From generalraymond76@example.com Fri Jan 02 21:34:56 2004 Return-Path: <generalraymond76@example.com> Delivered-To: raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 2531 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2004 21:34:55 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 2 Jan 2004 21:34:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 70230 invoked by uid 500); 2 Jan 2004 21:34:37 -0000 Delivered-To: raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 70094 invoked by uid 500); 2 Jan 2004 21:34:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact raymond76@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Subscribe: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Help: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Id: "Jakarta General List" <general.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Jakarta General List" <raymond76@example.com> Delivered-To: mailing list raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 70081 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2004 21:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.devtech.com) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 2 Jan 2004 21:34:36 -0000 Received: from localhost ([83.161.120.155]) by mail.devtech.com (JAMES SMTP Server 2.2.0-dev) with SMTP ID 117 for <raymond76@example.com>; Fri, 2 Jan 2004 16:34:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Noel J. Bergman" <raymond76@example.com> To: "Jakarta General List" <raymond76@example.com> Subject: RE: Ontology-based portals - RDF, LDAP, Xindice (was: java@apache) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 16:35:16 -0500 Message-ID: <raymond76@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <raymond76@example.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Henri Yandell wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > The next level up is a community. Noel uses the word ontology here, > but even though I started using this, I don't understand what it is, > so have gone with something simpler. Easy to s+r out. I've defined a > community xml file: You described a portal made of communities, and each community having a name, logo, members, url, description, projects. I'm not clear on how you intend to model the (virtual) containment. For example, the items you list for a community could also be for a project. Some of that can be implemented by determining that community's members are a superset of the union of its projects' members. So asking the model for a list of a community's members would be that superset. But other things are singleton's, e.g., a portal, a community and a project may each have a descrpiption, logo, etc., but asking the model for the item would depend upon which container you were looking at. As for an ontology (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=ontology), we could start thinking about how we might want to classify things: language, implemented JSRs, implemented interfaces (e.g., a service provider for JNDI or JavaMail), implemented RFCs (SMTP, S/MIME), client and/or server interface (where applicable), etc. We could also associate items with user friendly classifications, such as web server, mail server, database server, CMS, document processor, spreadsheet, etc., build upon the more precise classifications. See also: http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Software/ http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/ http://www.daml.org/ http://www.daml.org/ontologies/ontologies.html http://sol1.cps.unizar.es:5080/ANTARCTICA/SRS/ Making some sense? --- Noel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: raymond76@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: raymond76@example.com From generalraymond76@example.com Sat Jan 03 00:57:31 2004 Return-Path: <generalraymond76@example.com> Delivered-To: raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 55373 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2004 00:57:31 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 3 Jan 2004 00:57:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 43381 invoked by uid 500); 3 Jan 2004 00:57:11 -0000 Delivered-To: raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 42979 invoked by uid 500); 3 Jan 2004 00:57:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact raymond76@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Subscribe: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Help: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Id: "Jakarta General List" <general.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Jakarta General List" <raymond76@example.com> Delivered-To: mailing list raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 42966 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2004 00:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11907.mail.yahoo.com) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 3 Jan 2004 00:57:09 -0000 Message-ID: <raymond76@example.com> Received: from [83.161.120.155] by web11907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Jan 2004 16:57:17 PST Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 16:57:17 -0800 (PST) From: "K. A." <raymond76@example.com> Subject: help with installing tomcat on unix To: Jakarta General List <raymond76@example.com> In-Reply-To: <raymond76@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-586710701-1073091437=:39553" X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N --0-586710701-1073091437=:39553 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, I'm trying to install tomcat on solaris. I followed the installation instructions including changing the server.xml and web.xml files. However, it still won't run. When I check the default webpage at the port number 8080 it says that page can not be displayed. Does anyone have any idea what else I'm missing? Thanks. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 --0-586710701-1073091437=:39553-- From generalraymond76@example.com Sat Jan 03 02:03:19 2004 Return-Path: <generalraymond76@example.com> Delivered-To: raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 67761 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2004 02:03:19 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 3 Jan 2004 02:03:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 89759 invoked by uid 500); 3 Jan 2004 02:02:58 -0000 Delivered-To: raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 89663 invoked by uid 500); 3 Jan 2004 02:02:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact raymond76@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Subscribe: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Help: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Id: "Jakarta General List" <general.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Jakarta General List" <raymond76@example.com> Delivered-To: mailing list raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 89649 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2004 02:02:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.devtech.com) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 3 Jan 2004 02:02:55 -0000 Received: from localhost ([83.161.120.155]) by mail.devtech.com (JAMES SMTP Server 2.2.0-dev) with SMTP ID 160 for <raymond76@example.com>; Fri, 2 Jan 2004 21:03:02 -0500 (EST) From: "Noel J. Bergman" <raymond76@example.com> To: "Jakarta General List" <raymond76@example.com> Subject: RE: help with installing tomcat on unix Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 21:03:38 -0500 Message-ID: <raymond76@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <raymond76@example.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N (a) check the logs for any messages (b) you might want to use raymond76@example.com One possibility could be something else blocking that port. --- Noel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: raymond76@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: raymond76@example.com From generalraymond76@example.com Sat Jan 03 17:10:30 2004 Return-Path: <generalraymond76@example.com> Delivered-To: raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 70680 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2004 17:10:30 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 3 Jan 2004 17:10:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 83861 invoked by uid 500); 3 Jan 2004 17:10:16 -0000 Delivered-To: raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 83765 invoked by uid 500); 3 Jan 2004 17:10:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact raymond76@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Subscribe: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Help: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Id: "Jakarta General List" <general.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Jakarta General List" <raymond76@example.com> Delivered-To: mailing list raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 83751 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2004 17:10:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO set.superlinksoftware.com) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 3 Jan 2004 17:10:15 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([83.161.120.155]) by set.superlinksoftware.com (JAMES SMTP Server 2.1) with SMTP ID 284 for <raymond76@example.com>; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 11:38:53 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/83.161.120.155702.0 Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 09:53:01 -0500 Subject: Just in case you're curious From: "Andrew C. Oliver" <raymond76@example.com> To: Jakarta General List <raymond76@example.com> Message-ID: <raymond76@example.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Everything is back on the private list again. Odd to discuss including more people in the PMC while excluding them from the discussion. -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? The views expressed in this email are those of the author and are almost definitely not shared by the Apache Software Foundation, its board or its general membership. In fact they probably most definitively disagree with everything espoused in the above email. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: raymond76@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: raymond76@example.com From generalraymond76@example.com Sat Jan 03 17:23:55 2004 Return-Path: <generalraymond76@example.com> Delivered-To: raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 74152 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2004 17:23:53 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 3 Jan 2004 17:23:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 91798 invoked by uid 500); 3 Jan 2004 17:23:42 -0000 Delivered-To: raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 91526 invoked by uid 500); 3 Jan 2004 17:23:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact raymond76@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Subscribe: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Help: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Id: "Jakarta General List" <general.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Jakarta General List" <raymond76@example.com> Delivered-To: mailing list raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 91513 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2004 17:23:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.devtech.com) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 3 Jan 2004 17:23:40 -0000 Received: from localhost ([83.161.120.155]) by mail.devtech.com (JAMES SMTP Server 2.2.0-dev) with SMTP ID 252 for <raymond76@example.com>; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 12:22:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Noel J. Bergman" <raymond76@example.com> To: "Jakarta General List" <raymond76@example.com> Subject: RE: Just in case you're curious Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 12:23:28 -0500 Message-ID: <raymond76@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <raymond76@example.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > Everything is back on the private list again. Odd to discuss including > more people in the PMC while excluding them from the discussion. It is inappropriate and inconsiderate to discuss individual people on the public list. --- Noel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: raymond76@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: raymond76@example.com From generalraymond76@example.com Sat Jan 03 17:52:21 2004 Return-Path: <generalraymond76@example.com> Delivered-To: raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 80453 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2004 17:52:20 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 3 Jan 2004 17:52:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 7656 invoked by uid 500); 3 Jan 2004 17:52:08 -0000 Delivered-To: raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 7417 invoked by uid 500); 3 Jan 2004 17:52:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact raymond76@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Subscribe: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Help: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Id: "Jakarta General List" <general.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Jakarta General List" <raymond76@example.com> Delivered-To: mailing list raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 7404 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2004 17:52:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 3 Jan 2004 17:52:06 -0000 Received: from [83.161.120.155] (ool-43560634.dyn.optonline.net [83.161.120.155]) by mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <raymond76@example.com> for raymond76@example.com; Sat, 03 Jan 2004 12:52:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 12:52:08 -0500 From: "Geir Magnusson Jr." <raymond76@example.com> Subject: Re: Just in case you're curious In-reply-to: <raymond76@example.com> To: Jakarta General List <raymond76@example.com> Message-id: <raymond76@example.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <raymond76@example.com> X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Jan 3, 2004, at 9:53 AM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > Everything is back on the private list again. Odd to discuss > including more > people in the PMC while excluding them from the discussion. Oh, quit it. Discussing individual people should be done in private to let people speak freely and avoid potential embarassment of those being discussed. geir > -- > Andrew C. Oliver > http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp > Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI > > http://jakarta.apache.org/poi > For Java and Excel, Got POI? > > The views expressed in this email are those of the author and are > almost > definitely not shared by the Apache Software Foundation, its board or > its > general membership. In fact they probably most definitively disagree > with > everything espoused in the above email. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: raymond76@example.com > For additional commands, e-mail: raymond76@example.com > > -- Geir Magnusson Jr 705.809.9573(m) raymond76@example.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: raymond76@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: raymond76@example.com From generalraymond76@example.com Sat Jan 03 18:44:59 2004 Return-Path: <generalraymond76@example.com> Delivered-To: raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 91278 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2004 18:44:58 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 3 Jan 2004 18:44:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 38093 invoked by uid 500); 3 Jan 2004 18:44:46 -0000 Delivered-To: raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 37768 invoked by uid 500); 3 Jan 2004 18:44:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact raymond76@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Subscribe: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Help: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Id: "Jakarta General List" <general.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Jakarta General List" <raymond76@example.com> Delivered-To: mailing list raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 37751 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2004 18:44:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.terra-intl.com) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 3 Jan 2004 18:44:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 1713 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2004 19:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?83.161.120.155?) (83.161.120.155) by 114.69-93-62.reverse.theplanet.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2004 19:45:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 03:46:46 +0900 From: Tetsuya Kitahata <raymond76@example.com> To: "Jakarta General List" <raymond76@example.com> Subject: Re: Just in case you're curious Organization: The Apache Software Foundation, Committer In-Reply-To: <raymond76@example.com> References: <raymond76@example.com> <raymond76@example.com> Message-Id: <raymond76@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.07.04 [ja] X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 12:23:28 -0500 Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > Everything is back on the private list again. Odd to discuss including > > more people in the PMC while excluding them from the discussion. > It is inappropriate and inconsiderate to discuss individual people on the > public list. Agreed. We saw over 20 unsubscribers here in these two weeks. Keeping this list a bit quiet would put the brakes on it, maybe ;-) -- Tetsuya. (raymond76@example.com) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: raymond76@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: raymond76@example.com From generalraymond76@example.com Sat Jan 03 19:24:58 2004 Return-Path: <generalraymond76@example.com> Delivered-To: raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 98980 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2004 19:24:57 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 3 Jan 2004 19:24:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 58260 invoked by uid 500); 3 Jan 2004 19:24:42 -0000 Delivered-To: raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 58176 invoked by uid 500); 3 Jan 2004 19:24:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact raymond76@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Subscribe: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Help: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Id: "Jakarta General List" <general.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Jakarta General List" <raymond76@example.com> Delivered-To: mailing list raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 58159 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2004 19:24:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO umbongo.flamefew.net) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 3 Jan 2004 19:24:41 -0000 Received: by umbongo.flamefew.net (Postfix on Linux (i386), from userid 500) id 39EE11868; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 14:24:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [83.161.120.155]) by umbongo.flamefew.net (Postfix on Linux (i386)) with ESMTP id 34F9D153A for <raymond76@example.com>; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 14:24:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 14:24:40 -0500 (EST) From: Henri Yandell <raymond76@example.com> X-X-Sender: raymond76@example.com To: Jakarta General List <raymond76@example.com> Subject: Re: Just in case you're curious In-Reply-To: <raymond76@example.com> Message-ID: <raymond76@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Sun, 4 Jan 2004, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 12:23:28 -0500 > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > > Everything is back on the private list again. Odd to discuss including > > > more people in the PMC while excluding them from the discussion. > > It is inappropriate and inconsiderate to discuss individual people on the > > public list. > > Agreed. We saw over 20 unsubscribers here in these two weeks. > Keeping this list a bit quiet would put the brakes on it, maybe ;-) It should be noisy I reckon. Just that the PMC list has a tiny set of discussions that should happen there [namely adding people to the PMC and some legal worries], which sometimes diverge into something that should move to General. Hen --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: raymond76@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: raymond76@example.com From generalraymond76@example.com Mon Jan 05 07:37:44 2004 Return-Path: <generalraymond76@example.com> Delivered-To: raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 21678 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 07:37:43 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 07:37:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 21489 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jan 2004 07:37:15 -0000 Delivered-To: raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 21369 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jan 2004 07:37:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact raymond76@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Subscribe: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Help: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Id: "Jakarta General List" <general.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Jakarta General List" <raymond76@example.com> Delivered-To: mailing list raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 21355 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 07:37:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO main.gmane.org) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 07:37:13 -0000 Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AdPIj-0004w7-00 for <raymond76@example.com>; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 08:37:25 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: raymond76@example.com Received: from sea.gmane.org ([83.161.120.155]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AdPIi-0004vy-00 for <raymond76@example.com>; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 08:37:24 +0100 Received: from news by sea.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AdPIi-0004Mj-00 for <raymond76@example.com>; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 08:37:24 +0100 From: Costin Manolache <raymond76@example.com> Subject: Extending the PMC ( was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 23:37:22 -0800 Lines: 85 Message-ID: <raymond76@example.com> References: <raymond76@example.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: raymond76@example.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: <raymond76@example.com> Sender: news <raymond76@example.com> X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Ted Husted wrote: > > Right now, the only plan seems to be to nominate committers one-by-one > on the PMC list. I'm just saying that we shouldn't play favorites. I > believe all Jakarta committers have already earned membership in the > PMC; we should tender the offer to every Jakarta committer and let each > decision-maker decide for himself or herself. > If the consensus is that the "bootstrap" PMC will continue to hand-pick > which of our duly-elected committers are promoted to the PMC, and which > are not, then so be it. But, personally, I think that process is nothing > but busy work. The community has already decided. Let's ratify the > community's decisions and let Jakarta be whatever Jakarta wants to be. +1 It seems this is the consensus, to add most committers - one by one or ten by ten. Let's go with that for now, almost everyone is agreeing with the goal of having everyone who cares included ( I didn't see a vote yet, but it seems pretty clear we agree on this ). I don't like the process of "hand-picking" either - unfortunatly that's the norm in ASF ( membership and all other PMCs use the same mechanism). I hope after we get past the first stage we can have a [VOTE] and change this to people _volunteering_ for PMC - by sending a mail with "subscribe" subject and the list of sub-projects the person is volunteering to monitor. IMO the only way out of this discussion is to divide the problem into very small pieces and have real VOTEs and counting of each of them. Proposals with more than 1 "atom" have no chance, and most of the problems occur because everyone seems to think he knows what the others think without asking. Please people, write down what you want, separate it in very elementary pieces, then post a VOTE and see what the majority things ( it may be "consensus" or a simple majority - but at least you'll know what other think ). Like: 1. Extend the PMC: - to include all committers ( even if the don't want ) - to include all the comitters who want - to include all who want and prove they understand the rules 2. Future extension of the PMC: - hand-picking by current people - people volunteering - because we trust them already to write the code and do the work, and it's fair to let them join whenver they want. 3. Jakarta and TLPs - 'encourage' every subproject to TLP - let each subproject decide if they want to leave jakarta- without encouragements - 'encourage' only subprojects that have problems - do a selection based on some characteristic ( like projects that "fit" togheter - whatever that means) - try to keep jakarta togheter and increase the community ( as jakarta-commons did ). If someone really wants to go - of course let him. 4. Is jakarta a good thing ? - yes, not perfect but we are improving and working better with other jakarta people - no, it's just a mess - yes, other projects should do what jakarta does ! I hate when people keep talking about "consensus" and argue as if they knew what the consensus was, but we don't have even the most elementary vote to indicate what a majority thinks. And BTW - please make sure that the votes explicitely state that all _committers_ should vote, but only PMC member votes are binding !!! That's why people should volunteer for PMC, however this is about jakarta and comitters are what jakarata means. Costin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: raymond76@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: raymond76@example.com From generalraymond76@example.com Mon Jan 05 13:21:56 2004 Return-Path: <generalraymond76@example.com> Delivered-To: raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 23430 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 13:21:56 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 13:21:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 82244 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jan 2004 13:21:38 -0000 Delivered-To: raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 82161 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jan 2004 13:21:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact raymond76@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Subscribe: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Help: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:raymond76@example.com> List-Id: "Jakarta General List" <general.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Jakarta General List" <raymond76@example.com> Delivered-To: mailing list raymond76@example.com Received: (qmail 81969 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 13:21:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miss-sneaky.slc.co.uk) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 13:21:37 -0000 Received: from emerald.slc.co.uk (unverified) by miss-sneaky.slc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id <raymond76@example.com> for <raymond76@example.com>; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 13:21:36 +0000 Subject: Website and Reorganisation language... a suggestion To: raymond76@example.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.10 March 22, 2002 Message-ID: <raymond76@example.com> From: Danny Angus <raymond76@example.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 13:21:35 +0000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Emerald/SLC(601CF1HF69 | May 28, 2003) at 05/01/2004 13:21:35 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Hi, I just had a Eureka moment, albeit a not very significant one, and I want to brain dump... I read this headine on TSS "The Apache Jakarta team announces Lucene 1.3 Final" It set me to thinking about the issue of using "product" on the website against the more correct, but less newbie friendly "sub-project" and the notion that umbrella projects are not "well thought of", and how we should be dealing with it. So I though "Hey 'TEAM'" is a *great* word. To deal with the first thing first, Team might be a better word than Product for headings on the website, you decide. Secondly I think if we're going to go down the route of a single inclusive project (discussed here and elsewhere ad-nauseam) we can retain some degree of concrete identity for the (former) sub-projects by introducing the notion of "Teams" so that Jakarta would be The project, and we'd all be on the PMC and possibly have Karma throughout, etc.etc. but we would also belong to those Teams that suit us, so we'd have the Tomcat Team, the POI Team etc. which would restore the small but necessary degree of separation which (IMO) we really do need for the sake of sanity. A Team would be a weak association (unlike the strong association of a commiter to a codebase) of commiters and non-comitter contributors who are actively working on a code module, this would help to maintain the distinction between those who are actively involved in the work of a module and those who are also Jakarta comitters but whos current efforts are focused on other code. In terms of releases, direction, and the election of new commiters Teams would have informal decision making by voting, and a Team's vote would influence the authoritative decision of the PMC, remember that *all* of the Teams' comitters would have a binding vote on the PMC by this stage. (otherwise what is the point!) Think of a Team as being little more than the equivalent of the status file, a list of participants and their area of activity, but consider that the notion of Teams would give an identity to the group without creating the barriers and heirarchy that the notion of Sub-project does but creating just enough of a distinction to allow a small group to make progress within the context of a large project. Teams would not be static or slowly expanding clubs for every participant ever, but would represent the code module and the fluctuating sub-set of our community currently active on it, if you want to step aside for a month, take your name off the list, come back and add yourself again. d. *************************************************************************** The information in this e-mail is confidential and for use by the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient (or responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient) please notify us immediately on 0141 306 2050 and delete the message from your computer. You may not copy or forward it or use or disclose its contents to any other person. As Internet communications are capable of data corruption Student Loans Company Limited does not accept any responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. 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(83.161.120.155) by 114.69-93-62.reverse.theplanet.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 12:36:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 20:37:46 +0900 From: Tetsuya Kitahata <raymond76@example.com> To: "Jakarta General List" <raymond76@example.com> Subject: Re: Website and Reorganisation language... a suggestion Organization: The Apache Software Foundation, Committer In-Reply-To: <raymond76@example.com> References: <raymond76@example.com> Message-Id: <raymond76@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.07.04 [ja] X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 13:21:35 +0000 Danny Angus wrote: > I just had a Eureka moment, albeit a not very significant one, and I want > to brain dump... Great. By the way, the term "albeit" reminded me of the word "Arbeit" -- "Work". :-) > I read this headine on TSS "The Apache Jakarta team announces Lucene 1.3 > Final" http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html http://jakarta.apache.org/site/elsewhere.html I am sure that you would be able to find the word "TEAM", easily. Note: "The Apache Software Foundation and The Apache HTTP Server Project are pleased to announce the release of version X.Y.Z of the Apache HTTP Server" -- This is a common format of the announcement from HTTP Server Project, as far as i could see. Personally, I prefer the word "TEAM" to "Project". Or, "XXX (Sub)Project Team is pleased to announce ... " -- would be better, maybe. The "announcement" messages are very important -- public relations --. To put this more precisely, "The Apache Software Foundation, The $TLP Project Management Committee and The (Apache|$TLP|Apache-$TLP)? $SUBPROJECT Project Team are pleased to announce the release of version X.Y.Z of (Apache|$TLP|Apache-$TLP) $SUBPROJECT" -- probably. (Can the rights/duties of these three autonomies be nicely modeled in by using UML? :-) In short, "The ASF and $SubProject Team are pleased to announce the release of (Apache|$TLP|Apache-$TLP) $SubProject X.Y.Z. ~~~~Blah, Blah, Blah (3-5 lines nice blurb on $SubProject etc.)~~~~ -- By (Apache|$TLP|Apache-$TLP) $SubProject Development Team -- URL: http://$TLP.apache.org/$SubProject/" Then, Headline might be "(Apache|$TLP|Apache-$TLP)? $SubProject Team released (Apache|$TLP|Apache-$TLP)? $SubProject X.Y.Z." or "(Apache|$TLP|Apache-$TLP)? $SubProject X.Y.Z. Released.". The governance style of The Apache $TLP should? follow these kind of announcement styles and vice versa -- i suspect. > Teams would not be static or slowly expanding clubs for every participant > ever, but would represent the code module and the fluctuating sub-set of > our community currently active on it, if you want to step aside for a > month, take your name off the list, come back and add yourself again. Great. > d. Personally, I'd like to see more "announcement"raymond76@example.com (In "PGP SIGNED MESSAGE"s :-) -- Tetsuya. 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If you are not the intended recipient (or responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient) please notify us immediately on 0141 306 2050 and delete the message from your computer. You may not copy or forward it or use or disclose its contents to any other person. As Internet communications are capable of data corruption Student Loans Company Limited does not accept any responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. For this reason it may be inappropriate to rely on advice or opinions contained in an e-mail without obtaining written confirmation of it. Neither Student Loans Company Limited or the sender accepts any liability or responsibility for viruses as it is your responsibility to scan attachments (if any). Opinions and views expressed in this e-mail are those of the sender and may not reflect the opinions and views of The Student Loans Company Limited. 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It takes you to the following link that doesn;t work: http://faq.globalvision.com.au/ Thanks. _/ _/ Kit C. J. Lueder _/ _/ _/ The MITRE Corp. Tel: 705.809.9573 _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ 7515 Colshire Dr Cell: 705.809.9573 _/ _/ _/ _/ Mailstop H405 FAX: 705.809.9573 _/ _/ _/ _/ McLean, VA 22102-7508 Mail: raymond76@example.com "Yes'n how many deaths will it take till he knows That too many people have died? The answer my friend is blowin' in the wind..." 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(83.161.120.155) by 114.69-93-62.reverse.theplanet.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 00:47:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 08:48:53 +0900 From: Tetsuya Kitahata <raymond76@example.com> To: "Jakarta General List" <raymond76@example.com> Subject: Re: Broken FAQ link on Apache Slide page Sender: Tetsuya Kitahata <raymond76@example.com> Organization: Terra-International, Inc. In-Reply-To: <raymond76@example.com> References: <raymond76@example.com> Message-Id: <raymond76@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.07.04 [ja] X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:01:11 -0500 (Subject: Broken FAQ link on Apache Slide page) Kit Christopher Lueder wrote: >
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