From carolyn93@example.net Sun Aug 11 08:29:00 2002 Return-Path: <carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 29462 invoked by uid 500); 11 Aug 2002 08:29:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact carolyn93@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: carolyn93@example.net list-help: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-post: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 29451 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2002 08:28:59 -0000 Sender: carolyn93@example.net Message-ID: <carolyn93@example.net> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:00:29 -0600 From: "Amish K. Munshi" <carolyn93@example.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18-5 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: carolyn93@example.net Subject: Mirror created Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N hi, I have created a mirror of the FTP site at http://mirror.linux-site.net/mirror/apache I did mail to the requested email address before 2 days, The instructions page asked to be patient, I would like to know how long does it usually take to add the URL to their site. Is there a way to tell weather there no problem in the mailing. Bye. -- 1:30pm up 6:07, 1 user, load average: 0.11, 0.12, 0.12 From carolyn93@example.net Sun Aug 11 17:13:14 2002 Return-Path: <carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 46015 invoked by uid 500); 11 Aug 2002 17:13:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact carolyn93@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: carolyn93@example.net list-help: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-post: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 46004 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2002 17:13:14 -0000 Message-ID: <carolyn93@example.net> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:11:57 -0400 From: Joshua Slive <carolyn93@example.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.1b) Gecko/20020721 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: carolyn93@example.net Subject: Re: Mirror created References: <carolyn93@example.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Amish K. Munshi wrote: > hi, > > I have created a mirror of the FTP site at > http://mirror.linux-site.net/mirror/apache > I did mail to the requested email address before 2 days, The > instructions page asked to be patient, I would like to know how long > does it usually take to add the URL to their site. > Is there a way to tell weather there no problem in the mailing. The mirror request address doesn't seem to be well looked-after at the moment, but I can add the mirror. However, it appears that your mirror is not very up-to-date at the moment. In particular, the httpd directory seems both out-of-date, and seems to be missing files even from the date it was mirrored. If you can fix that, and also let me know in what country your mirror is based, I will add it to the list. Joshua. From carolyn93@example.net Mon Aug 12 02:42:07 2002 Return-Path: <carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 41651 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2002 02:42:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact carolyn93@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: carolyn93@example.net list-help: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-post: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list carolyn93@example.net Delivered-To: moderator for carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 29709 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 02:05:13 -0000 Subject: Re: Mirror created From: "Amish K. Munshi" <carolyn93@example.net> To: carolyn93@example.net In-Reply-To: <carolyn93@example.net> References: <carolyn93@example.net> <carolyn93@example.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-VXtn1QcJZJ/K+lSj0hgd" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 (1.0.3-6) Date: 12 Aug 2002 07:36:41 -0600 Message-Id: <carolyn93@example.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N --=-VXtn1QcJZJ/K+lSj0hgd Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, What is the total size of the mirror? Mine is presently 898 Mb and rsync is still downloading something.=20 Bye. On Sun, 2002-08-11 at 11:11, Joshua Slive wrote: > Amish K. Munshi wrote: > > hi, > > =09 > > I have created a mirror of the FTP site at > > http://mirror.linux-site.net/mirror/apache=20 > > I did mail to the requested email address before 2 days, The > > instructions page asked to be patient, I would like to know how long > > does it usually take to add the URL to their site. > > Is there a way to tell weather there no problem in the mailing. >=20 > The mirror request address doesn't seem to be well looked-after at the=20 > moment, but I can add the mirror. However, it appears that your mirror=20 > is not very up-to-date at the moment. In particular, the httpd=20 > directory seems both out-of-date, and seems to be missing files even=20 > from the date it was mirrored. >=20 > If you can fix that, and also let me know in what country your mirror is=20 > based, I will add it to the list. >=20 > Joshua. >=20 --=20 7:30am up 1 day, 7 min, 0 users, load average: 0.58, 0.54, 0.27 --=-VXtn1QcJZJ/K+lSj0hgd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA9V7nom3k425oKQFARAlmYAJ43xMTNxrlvpQkhyTMjo9S1vTT2cACaAj6C 5l1IYb/oP+Z0MI+uG74BzSU= =1+L0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-VXtn1QcJZJ/K+lSj0hgd-- From carolyn93@example.net Mon Aug 12 02:47:47 2002 Return-Path: <carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 42760 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2002 02:47:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact carolyn93@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: carolyn93@example.net list-help: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-post: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 42749 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 02:47:46 -0000 Message-ID: <carolyn93@example.net> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:46:35 -0400 From: Joshua Slive <carolyn93@example.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.1b) Gecko/20020721 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: carolyn93@example.net Subject: Re: Mirror created References: <carolyn93@example.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Amish K. Munshi wrote: > Hi, > > What is the total size of the mirror? Mine is presently 898 Mb > and > rsync is still downloading something. A quick check shows 1040829k. We hope to increase it considerably some time soon by including the jakarta and xml software distributions. We are therefore asking mirrors to have 10GB available. You should also be relatively well-connected. If you don't have a fat pipe to the Internet, there is not much point in being a mirror. Joshua. From carolyn93@example.net Mon Aug 12 03:22:58 2002 Return-Path: <carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 50892 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2002 03:22:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact carolyn93@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: carolyn93@example.net list-help: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-post: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 50881 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 03:22:58 -0000 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Mirror created MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:23:42 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Message-ID: <46B1BBD1961A564E9BE4B97238B3EF0C10C802@exchangeserver> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Mirror created Thread-Index: AcJBqfcdIroX0y+vQsCXpNulS3YB5gABaSgQ From: "Andrew Kenna" <carolyn93@example.net> To: <carolyn93@example.net> X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N If you would like to do a rsync dev.apache.org888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4 you will see a list of = all archives and their approx sizes as of 2 hrs ago. Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Amish K. Munshi [mailto:carolyn93@example.net] Sent: Monday, 12 August 2002 11:37 PM To: carolyn93@example.net Subject: Re: Mirror created Hi, What is the total size of the mirror? Mine is presently 898 Mb and rsync is still downloading something.=20 Bye. On Sun, 2002-08-11 at 11:11, Joshua Slive wrote: > Amish K. Munshi wrote: > > hi, > > =09 > > I have created a mirror of the FTP site at > > http://mirror.linux-site.net/mirror/apache=20 > > I did mail to the requested email address before 2 days, The > > instructions page asked to be patient, I would like to know how long > > does it usually take to add the URL to their site. > > Is there a way to tell weather there no problem in the mailing. >=20 > The mirror request address doesn't seem to be well looked-after at the = > moment, but I can add the mirror. However, it appears that your = mirror=20 > is not very up-to-date at the moment. In particular, the httpd=20 > directory seems both out-of-date, and seems to be missing files even=20 > from the date it was mirrored. >=20 > If you can fix that, and also let me know in what country your mirror = is=20 > based, I will add it to the list. >=20 > Joshua. >=20 --=20 7:30am up 1 day, 7 min, 0 users, load average: 0.58, 0.54, 0.27 From carolyn93@example.net Mon Aug 12 03:33:45 2002 Return-Path: <carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 53512 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2002 03:33:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact carolyn93@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: carolyn93@example.net list-help: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-post: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 53501 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 03:33:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:32:48 -0400 (EDT) From: John Donagher <carolyn93@example.net> To: carolyn93@example.net Subject: Re: Mirror created In-Reply-To: <carolyn93@example.net> Message-ID: <carolyn93@example.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Joshua- My mirror (apache.webmeta.com) seems to no longer be on the list. I'm not sure why this would be, as it seems to be up to date. I've been an apache mirror for at least a year. Thanks John On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, Joshua Slive wrote: > Amish K. Munshi wrote: > > Hi, > > > > What is the total size of the mirror? Mine is presently 898 Mb > > and > > rsync is still downloading something. > > A quick check shows 1040829k. We hope to increase it considerably some > time soon by including the jakarta and xml software distributions. We > are therefore asking mirrors to have 10GB available. You should also be > relatively well-connected. If you don't have a fat pipe to the > Internet, there is not much point in being a mirror. > > Joshua. > > > > -- John Donagher Public key available off http://www.keyserver.net Key fingerprint = 4024 DF50 56EE 19A3 258A D628 22DE AD56 EEBE 8DDD From carolyn93@example.net Mon Aug 12 04:25:53 2002 Return-Path: <carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 68824 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2002 04:25:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact carolyn93@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: carolyn93@example.net list-help: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-post: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 68813 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 04:25:52 -0000 From: "David M. Graham" <carolyn93@example.net> To: <carolyn93@example.net> Subject: test Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:33:32 -0500 Message-ID: <carolyn93@example.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C2418F.842A03F0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C2418F.842A03F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C2418F.842A03F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"> <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)"> <style> <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle17 {font-family:Arial; color:windowtext;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style> </head> <body lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vlink=3Dpurple> <div class=3DSection1> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial'>unsubscribe</span></font></p> </div> </body> </html> ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C2418F.842A03F0-- From carolyn93@example.net Mon Aug 12 17:37:26 2002 Return-Path: <carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 91954 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2002 17:37:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact carolyn93@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: carolyn93@example.net list-help: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-post: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list carolyn93@example.net Delivered-To: moderator for carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 20274 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 07:03:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 00:04:09 -0700 From: Aaron Bannert <carolyn93@example.net> To: carolyn93@example.net Subject: Re: Mirror created Message-ID: <carolyn93@example.net> References: <carolyn93@example.net> <carolyn93@example.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <carolyn93@example.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Sun, Aug 11, 2002 at 10:46:35PM -0400, Joshua Slive wrote: > A quick check shows 1040829k. We hope to increase it considerably some > time soon by including the jakarta and xml software distributions. We > are therefore asking mirrors to have 10GB available. You should also be > relatively well-connected. If you don't have a fat pipe to the > Internet, there is not much point in being a mirror. We really need to do something about this. I stopped running the jakarta and xml site mirrors to my machine because the nightly deltas were so huge. It would be great if we could get the dist directories to only be official project distributions, so we could mirror just that instead of things like automated gump builds. -aaron From carolyn93@example.net Mon Aug 12 17:47:37 2002 Return-Path: <carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 98294 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2002 17:47:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact carolyn93@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: carolyn93@example.net list-help: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-post: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 98281 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 17:47:35 -0000 Message-ID: <carolyn93@example.net> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:46:15 -0400 From: Joshua Slive <carolyn93@example.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.1b) Gecko/20020721 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: carolyn93@example.net Subject: Re: Mirror created References: <carolyn93@example.net> <carolyn93@example.net> <carolyn93@example.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Aaron Bannert wrote: > On Sun, Aug 11, 2002 at 10:46:35PM -0400, Joshua Slive wrote: > >>A quick check shows 1040829k. We hope to increase it considerably some >>time soon by including the jakarta and xml software distributions. We >>are therefore asking mirrors to have 10GB available. You should also be >>relatively well-connected. If you don't have a fat pipe to the >>Internet, there is not much point in being a mirror. > > > We really need to do something about this. I stopped running the > jakarta and xml site mirrors to my machine because the nightly > deltas were so huge. It would be great if we could get the > dist directories to only be official project distributions, > so we could mirror just that instead of things like automated > gump builds. Yes, certainly. When I have discussed this with the jakarta people, we have been clear that nightly builds cannot go out to the mirrors. The other question, however, is whether all the old release (or pre-release) builds should stay up on the mirrors (as they are for httpd) or if we should prune down to just current releases. I have mixed feelings about that. Joshua. From carolyn93@example.net Mon Aug 12 17:55:49 2002 Return-Path: <carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 7582 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2002 17:55:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact carolyn93@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: carolyn93@example.net list-help: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-post: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 7569 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 17:55:48 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/83.161.120.1556 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:55:49 +0100 Subject: Re: Mirror created From: Pier Fumagalli <carolyn93@example.net> To: <carolyn93@example.net> Message-ID: <carolyn93@example.net> In-Reply-To: <carolyn93@example.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Organization: Apache Software Foundation Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N "Joshua Slive" <carolyn93@example.net> wrote: > Aaron Bannert wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 11, 2002 at 10:46:35PM -0400, Joshua Slive wrote: >> >>> A quick check shows 1040829k. We hope to increase it considerably some >>> time soon by including the jakarta and xml software distributions. We >>> are therefore asking mirrors to have 10GB available. You should also be >>> relatively well-connected. If you don't have a fat pipe to the >>> Internet, there is not much point in being a mirror. >> >> >> We really need to do something about this. I stopped running the >> jakarta and xml site mirrors to my machine because the nightly >> deltas were so huge. It would be great if we could get the >> dist directories to only be official project distributions, >> so we could mirror just that instead of things like automated >> gump builds. > > Yes, certainly. When I have discussed this with the jakarta people, we > have been clear that nightly builds cannot go out to the mirrors. The > other question, however, is whether all the old release (or pre-release) > builds should stay up on the mirrors (as they are for httpd) or if we > should prune down to just current releases. I have mixed feelings about > that. How can I figure out what the delta is? I'm mirroring world on Nagoya, and I have the ability to make something happen on jakarta-site... Pier From carolyn93@example.net Mon Aug 12 18:07:41 2002 Return-Path: <carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 19585 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2002 18:07:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact carolyn93@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: carolyn93@example.net list-help: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-post: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 19573 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 18:07:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:07:44 -0700 From: Aaron Bannert <carolyn93@example.net> To: carolyn93@example.net Subject: Re: Mirror created Message-ID: <carolyn93@example.net> References: <carolyn93@example.net> <carolyn93@example.net> <carolyn93@example.net> <carolyn93@example.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <carolyn93@example.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 01:46:15PM -0400, Joshua Slive wrote: > Yes, certainly. When I have discussed this with the jakarta people, we > have been clear that nightly builds cannot go out to the mirrors. The > other question, however, is whether all the old release (or pre-release) > builds should stay up on the mirrors (as they are for httpd) or if we > should prune down to just current releases. I have mixed feelings about > that. I tend to think that having them available in the mirrors serves two good purposes: 1) automatic backups of legacy code/binaries 2) it's an O(1) operation -- synch it once and you won't have to ever again. If having to download older distributions presents a bandwidth problem to our mirrors, then maybe we should think about a naming scheme that doesn't cause our mirros to re-download the same files once they move from the main distribution directory to the old/ directories, since that effectively doubles the amount of bytes downloaded to the mirrors. Maybe a "current" symlink to a directory of the correct version. -aaron From carolyn93@example.net Mon Aug 12 18:08:35 2002 Return-Path: <carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 20218 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2002 18:08:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact carolyn93@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: carolyn93@example.net list-help: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-post: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 20207 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 18:08:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:08:38 -0700 From: Aaron Bannert <carolyn93@example.net> To: carolyn93@example.net Subject: Re: Mirror created Message-ID: <carolyn93@example.net> References: <carolyn93@example.net> <carolyn93@example.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <carolyn93@example.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 06:55:49PM +0100, Pier Fumagalli wrote: > How can I figure out what the delta is? I'm mirroring world on Nagoya, and > I have the ability to make something happen on jakarta-site... I just read the output of my rsync scripts every day (cron job email). -aaron From carolyn93@example.net Mon Aug 12 18:20:18 2002 Return-Path: <carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 29872 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2002 18:20:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact carolyn93@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: carolyn93@example.net list-help: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-post: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 29848 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 18:20:16 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/83.161.120.1556 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:20:18 +0100 Subject: Re: Mirror created From: Pier Fumagalli <carolyn93@example.net> To: <carolyn93@example.net> Message-ID: <carolyn93@example.net> In-Reply-To: <carolyn93@example.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Organization: Apache Software Foundation Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N "Aaron Bannert" <carolyn93@example.net> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 06:55:49PM +0100, Pier Fumagalli wrote: >> How can I figure out what the delta is? I'm mirroring world on Nagoya, and >> I have the ability to make something happen on jakarta-site... > > I just read the output of my rsync scripts every day (cron job email). Ah... :) I don't send out the output if no errors occur! :) Let's see if without "--quiet" it tells me some stats! :) Pier From carolyn93@example.net Mon Aug 12 18:20:33 2002 Return-Path: <carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 30224 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2002 18:20:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact carolyn93@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: carolyn93@example.net list-help: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-post: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 30213 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 18:20:32 -0000 Message-ID: <carolyn93@example.net> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:19:13 -0400 From: Joshua Slive <carolyn93@example.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.1b) Gecko/20020721 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: carolyn93@example.net Subject: Re: Mirror created References: <carolyn93@example.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Pier Fumagalli wrote: > > How can I figure out what the delta is? I'm mirroring world on Nagoya, and > I have the ability to make something happen on jakarta-site... Someone on jakarta (I've forgotten the name :-( started working on this a while ago, but it seems to have stalled. What needs to happen: 1. Move all the nightly build directories out of jakarta.apache.org/builds/ (perhaps to jakarta.apache.org/nightlies/ 2. Move jakarta.apache.org/builds/ to www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/ and simultaneously setup a redirect to cover old links. 3. Change jakarta download links to point to http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/jakarta/ so that people will download from the mirrors. If you can get that rocking, that would be excellent. I don't think it will be all that hard to accomplish. A note to this list just before you do step 2 would be wise, since there will be a sudden crush of new content going out to the mirrors. Joshua. From carolyn93@example.net Mon Aug 12 18:34:21 2002 Return-Path: <carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 42757 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2002 18:34:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact carolyn93@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: carolyn93@example.net list-help: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-post: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 42746 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 18:34:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:34:24 +0200 (MEST) From: "Henk P. Penning" <carolyn93@example.net> To: "carolyn93@example.net" <carolyn93@example.net> Subject: Re: Mirror created In-Reply-To: <carolyn93@example.net> Message-ID: <carolyn93@example.net> Followup-To: ruuinf.misc X-Org: Department of Computer Science; Utrecht University X-Org: P.O. Box 80.089; 3508 TB Utrecht; The Netherlands. X-Org: phone: 570-908-9588; telefax: 570-908-9588 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, Joshua Slive wrote: > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:46:15 -0400 > From: Joshua Slive <carolyn93@example.net> > To: "carolyn93@example.net" <carolyn93@example.net> > Subject: Re: Mirror created > > Aaron Bannert wrote: > > We really need to do something about this. I stopped running the > > jakarta and xml site mirrors to my machine because the nightly > > deltas were so huge. It would be great if we could get the > > dist directories to only be official project distributions, > > so we could mirror just that instead of things like automated > > gump builds. > > Yes, certainly. When I have discussed this with the jakarta people, we > have been clear that nightly builds cannot go out to the mirrors. The > other question, however, is whether all the old release (or pre-release) > builds should stay up on the mirrors (as they are for httpd) or if we > should prune down to just current releases. I have mixed feelings about > that. Hi, this was discussed here a year ago; is there an archive of this list ? I would strongly favor that the projects split their archive in -- hist/ historical stuff -- dist/ current stuff -- devel/ development stuff Mirrors should only carry the 'dist' stuff. -- For mirror users, all the 'hist' and 'devel' stuff is very confusing. -- Those interested in 'hist' and 'devel' would go to the source anyway, and not trust any mirror to "have everything, always". I have no idea how feasible/realistic this is, but I think this is what the mirrors and average users want. Note that I don't think diskspace or bandwidth are the problem, although a year ago it took more than 2 days continuous mirroring to get to 75% sync with the jakarta archive (due to performance problems on the jakarta end). > Joshua. regards. Henk Penning Henk P. Penning, Dept of Computer Science, Utrecht University \__/ \ Padualaan 14, P.O. Box 80.089, 3508 TB Utrecht, The Netherlands. \__/ Telephone: 570-908-9588, fax: 2513791, NIC-handle: HPP1 _/ \__/ \ News.answers http://www.cs.uu.nl/cgi-bin/faqwais \__/ \__/ \__/ From carolyn93@example.net Mon Aug 12 18:41:07 2002 Return-Path: <carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 49823 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2002 18:41:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact carolyn93@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: carolyn93@example.net list-help: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-post: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 49793 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 18:41:06 -0000 From: "Ravi Simhambhatla" <carolyn93@example.net> To: carolyn93@example.net, "carolyn93@example.net" <carolyn93@example.net> Subject: Re: Mirror created Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:39:43 +0900 Message-Id: <carolyn93@example.net> In-Reply-To: <carolyn93@example.net> References: <carolyn93@example.net> <carolyn93@example.net> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 1.64 20020419 X-OriginatingIP: 83.161.120.155 (carolyn93@example.net) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Hi, I had send an email some time ago to the list regarding the apache mirror I created. However, I have not received any response. I was wondering if an admin could look into the mirror to ensure it's integrity. Details: Server: http://apache.simhams.com Httpd version: 1.3.22 Os: Redhat Linux 7.2 Mirroring Technique: rsync Refresh period: daily Refresh time: 4:00am Pacific Please let me know when you have added this mirror to your list. Cheers, Ravi > On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, Joshua Slive wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:46:15 -0400 > > From: Joshua Slive <carolyn93@example.net> > > To: "carolyn93@example.net" <carolyn93@example.net> > > Subject: Re: Mirror created > > > > Aaron Bannert wrote: > > > > We really need to do something about this. I stopped running the > > > jakarta and xml site mirrors to my machine because the nightly > > > deltas were so huge. It would be great if we could get the > > > dist directories to only be official project distributions, > > > so we could mirror just that instead of things like automated > > > gump builds. > > > > Yes, certainly. When I have discussed this with the jakarta people, we > > have been clear that nightly builds cannot go out to the mirrors. The > > other question, however, is whether all the old release (or pre-release) > > builds should stay up on the mirrors (as they are for httpd) or if we > > should prune down to just current releases. I have mixed feelings about > > that. > > Hi, > > this was discussed here a year ago; is there an archive of this > list ? > > I would strongly favor that the projects split their archive in > > -- hist/ historical stuff > -- dist/ current stuff > -- devel/ development stuff > > Mirrors should only carry the 'dist' stuff. > > -- For mirror users, all the 'hist' and 'devel' stuff is very confusing. > -- Those interested in 'hist' and 'devel' would go to the source > anyway, and not trust any mirror to "have everything, always". > > I have no idea how feasible/realistic this is, but I think > this is what the mirrors and average users want. > > Note that I don't think diskspace or bandwidth are the problem, > although a year ago it took more than 2 days continuous mirroring > to get to 75% sync with the jakarta archive (due to performance > problems on the jakarta end). > > > Joshua. > > regards. > > Henk Penning > > Henk P. Penning, Dept of Computer Science, Utrecht University \__/ \ > Padualaan 14, P.O. Box 80.089, 3508 TB Utrecht, The Netherlands. \__/ > Telephone: 570-908-9588, fax: 2513791, NIC-handle: HPP1 _/ \__/ \ > News.answers http://www.cs.uu.nl/cgi-bin/faqwais \__/ \__/ \__/ From carolyn93@example.net Mon Aug 12 23:24:44 2002 Return-Path: <carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 56719 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2002 23:24:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact carolyn93@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: carolyn93@example.net list-help: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-post: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 56706 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 23:24:43 -0000 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: FW: closer.cgi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C24257.867C62E0" Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:25:20 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Message-ID: <46B1BBD1961A564E9BE4B97238B3EF0C10C808@exchangeserver> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: closer.cgi Thread-Index: AcJBtjxpUy4Mx6pLQ3inlcgPsj9vgAAoUsGw From: "Andrew Kenna" <carolyn93@example.net> To: <carolyn93@example.net> X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24257.867C62E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 -----Original Message----- From: Juan Manuel Del R=EDo Casta=F1eda [mailto:carolyn93@example.net] Sent: Monday, 12 August 2002 2:09 PM To: Andrew Kenna Subject: closer.cgi Hi Andrew, =20 How the things are going on?, well here things are pretty fine, the = mirror is updated frequently, the apache server is updated, but trying = to get the closer mirror for my country it says that it doesn't find it = for my country code. Right now we're using a webcache, I'm not sure if = that could change the things and the web cache uses the ISP IP, so that = believes the client is not in Colombia. =20 Anyway, the thing is not urgent, but well, I leave you the doubt. =20 Juan Manuel Del Rio Ingeniero Universidad de los Andes. =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24257.867C62E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 570-908-9588" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE>@page Section1 {size: 595.3pt 841.9pt; margin: 70.85pt 3.0cm = 70.85pt 3.0cm; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A:visited { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } P.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } SPAN.EstiloCorreo17 { COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: Arial } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=3DES vLink=3Dpurple link=3Dblue> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Juan Manuel Del = R=EDo Casta=F1eda=20 [mailto:carolyn93@example.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, 12 August 2002 = 2:09=20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Andrew Kenna<BR><B>Subject:</B> = closer.cgi<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=3DSection1> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi = Andrew,</SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">How the things are going = on?, well=20 here things are pretty fine, the mirror is updated frequently, the = apache server=20 is updated, but trying to get the closer mirror for my country it says = that it=20 doesn&#8217;t find it for my country code. Right now we&#8217;re using a = webcache, I&#8217;m not=20 sure if that could change the things and the web cache uses the ISP IP, = so that=20 believes the client is not in </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2><SPAN=20 lang=3DEN-US=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">Colombia</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">.</SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Anyway, the thing is not = urgent, but=20 well, I leave you the doubt.</SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Juan Manuel Del=20 Rio</SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">Ingeniero</SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Universidad de los=20 Andes.</SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24257.867C62E0-- From carolyn93@example.net Tue Aug 13 10:46:03 2002 Return-Path: <carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 69011 invoked by uid 500); 13 Aug 2002 10:46:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact carolyn93@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: carolyn93@example.net list-help: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-post: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 68996 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 10:46:02 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/83.161.120.1556 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:45:40 +0100 Subject: Re: Mirror created From: Pier Fumagalli <carolyn93@example.net> To: <carolyn93@example.net> Message-ID: <carolyn93@example.net> In-Reply-To: <carolyn93@example.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N "Joshua Slive" <carolyn93@example.net> wrote: > Pier Fumagalli wrote: >> >> How can I figure out what the delta is? I'm mirroring world on Nagoya, and >> I have the ability to make something happen on jakarta-site... > > Someone on jakarta (I've forgotten the name :-( started working on this > a while ago, but it seems to have stalled. What needs to happen: > > 1. Move all the nightly build directories out of > jakarta.apache.org/builds/ (perhaps to jakarta.apache.org/nightlies/ > > 2. Move jakarta.apache.org/builds/ to www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/ and > simultaneously setup a redirect to cover old links. > > 3. Change jakarta download links to point to > http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/jakarta/ so that people will > download from the mirrors. > > If you can get that rocking, that would be excellent. I don't think it > will be all that hard to accomplish. A note to this list just before > you do step 2 would be wise, since there will be a sudden crush of new > content going out to the mirrors. Will see what I can do over the weekend. When Jon (I believe) started, he hit the bottom when everyone else failed updating the site in the way in which they were supposed to... Pier From carolyn93@example.net Tue Aug 13 16:54:43 2002 Return-Path: <carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 5900 invoked by uid 500); 13 Aug 2002 16:54:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact carolyn93@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: carolyn93@example.net list-help: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-post: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 5889 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 16:54:43 -0000 Message-ID: <carolyn93@example.net> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:54:08 -0400 From: Joshua Slive <carolyn93@example.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.1b) Gecko/20020721 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: carolyn93@example.net CC: carolyn93@example.net, carolyn93@example.net, carolyn93@example.net, carolyn93@example.net, carolyn93@example.net, carolyn93@example.net, carolyn93@example.net Subject: dead apache mirrors Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N The following mirrors are either currently inaccesible or not up-to-date. (In particular, they do not currently carry httpd-2.0.40.) If you run one of these mirrors, please increase the update frequence or otherwise fix your mirror. Otherwise, I will remove them from the mirror listing. http://apache.valueclick.com/dist/httpd/ http://apache.secsup.org/dist/httpd/ http://apache.missouri.edu/dist/httpd/ http://swamp.chl.chalmers.se/apache/dist/httpd/ http://ftp.azc.uam.mx/mirrors/apache/dist/httpd/ http://apache.oranged.to/httpd/ apache.design.am If there are people on this list who have mailed to carolyn93@example.net, but have not received a response, please send an email to the list with the details of your mirror (including the country where it is located) so we can get it going. Joshua. From carolyn93@example.net Tue Aug 13 16:57:41 2002 Return-Path: <carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 9662 invoked by uid 500); 13 Aug 2002 16:57:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact carolyn93@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: carolyn93@example.net list-help: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-post: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 9612 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 16:57:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:57:43 -0700 From: Scott Kveton <carolyn93@example.net> To: carolyn93@example.net Subject: Re: dead apache mirrors Message-ID: <carolyn93@example.net> References: <carolyn93@example.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <carolyn93@example.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > If there are people on this list who have mailed to > carolyn93@example.net, but have not received a response, please send > an email to the list with the details of your mirror (including the > country where it is located) so we can get it going. http://apache.oregonstate.edu/ ftp://ftp.oregonstate.edu/pub/apache rsync://ftp.oregonstate.edu888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4pache/ Mirrored by Oregon State University in the USA on 500GB of RAID5 disk connected via Internet2. Thanx! Scott Kveton -- Network Engineering Oregon State University From carolyn93@example.net Tue Aug 13 17:14:40 2002 Return-Path: <carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 28411 invoked by uid 500); 13 Aug 2002 17:14:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact carolyn93@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: carolyn93@example.net list-help: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-post: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 28393 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 17:14:38 -0000 Message-ID: <carolyn93@example.net> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:14:39 -0400 From: Joshua Slive <carolyn93@example.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.1b) Gecko/20020721 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: carolyn93@example.net Subject: Re: dead apache mirrors References: <carolyn93@example.net> <carolyn93@example.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Scott Kveton wrote: > http://apache.oregonstate.edu/ > ftp://ftp.oregonstate.edu/pub/apache > rsync://ftp.oregonstate.edu888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4pache/ > > Mirrored by Oregon State University in the USA on 500GB of RAID5 disk > connected via Internet2. Got it. Thanks. Joshua. From carolyn93@example.net Tue Aug 13 17:53:37 2002 Return-Path: <carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 57246 invoked by uid 500); 13 Aug 2002 17:53:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact carolyn93@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: carolyn93@example.net list-help: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-post: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 57224 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 17:53:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:53:33 -0700 From: Aaron Bannert <carolyn93@example.net> To: carolyn93@example.net Cc: carolyn93@example.net Subject: Mirror reorganization Message-ID: <carolyn93@example.net> References: <carolyn93@example.net> <carolyn93@example.net> <carolyn93@example.net> <carolyn93@example.net> <carolyn93@example.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <carolyn93@example.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 11:07:44AM -0700, Aaron Bannert wrote: > If having to download older distributions presents a bandwidth problem > to our mirrors, then maybe we should think about a naming scheme that > doesn't cause our mirros to re-download the same files once they move > from the main distribution directory to the old/ directories, since that > effectively doubles the amount of bytes downloaded to the mirrors. Maybe > a "current" symlink to a directory of the correct version. Just to reiterate how much of a problem I think this is, last night in just the httpd-site directory, my mirror downloaded around 250MB of data, merely because the older binary distributions were moved to a new directory. This negates much of the efficiency of rsync. Therefore I propose that we restructure the directory layout to avoid the need to move files once they are on the site, use web pages to provide the proper amount of browsability and indirection, and at the same time come up with a structure that allows for efficient load-balancing to the mirrors: 1) each project places source and binary distributions under "dist/projectname/" 2) The "projectname" directory contains an index.html listing the current source and binary distributions, links for any subproject, and links to the main project pages. Release notes are also appropriate for this page. The main current distribution is also prominently linked from this page. 3) Source files are placed in a src/ directory, with the following naming convention [only a proposal at this point], and are not moved once in place: src/projectname-version-src.tar.gz or src/projectname-version-src.zip 4) Binary distributions are placed in a binaries/ directory, with each distribution having its own subdirectory. Once files are in place, they are not moved. For example: binaries/linux/httpd-2.0.40-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.gz or binaries/win32/httpd-2.0.40-win32-x86.msi 5) All source and binary distributions are accompanied by a signature, preferably made by someone on that project's PMC. The file shall exist in the same location as the signed file, and have the exact same name, with ".asc" appended: src/httpd-2.0.40-src.tar.gz.asc [optional] 6) All source and binary distributions are accompanied by an MD5 checksum. The file shall exist in the same location as the checksummed file, and have the same name with ".md5" appended: src/httpd-2.0.40-src.tar.gz.md5 Key points to this proposal: - Files are not moved once they are in place. This saves unnecessary bandwidth consumption by our mirrors when they are syncing to the main site. - Web pages are constructed to identify the most current distribution, as well as other information pertinent to the project. - The structure allows us to construct intelligent load-balancing scripts to distribute the load away from our central resources (daedalus). - The index.html files can be easily generated, so they would require little or no intervention to maintain. -aaron From carolyn93@example.net Tue Aug 13 17:54:03 2002 Return-Path: <carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 57711 invoked by uid 500); 13 Aug 2002 17:54:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact carolyn93@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: carolyn93@example.net list-help: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-post: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 57700 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 17:54:03 -0000 From: "Ravi Simhambhatla" <carolyn93@example.net> To: carolyn93@example.net Subject: Re: dead apache mirrors Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:52:37 +0900 Message-Id: <carolyn93@example.net> In-Reply-To: <carolyn93@example.net> References: <carolyn93@example.net> <carolyn93@example.net> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 1.64 20020419 X-OriginatingIP: 83.161.120.155 (carolyn93@example.net) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Server: http://apache.simhams.com Httpd version: 1.3.22 Os: Redhat Linux 7.2 Mirroring Technique: rsync Refresh period: daily Refresh time: 4:00am Pacific > > If there are people on this list who have mailed to > > carolyn93@example.net, but have not received a response, please send > > an email to the list with the details of your mirror (including the > > country where it is located) so we can get it going. > > http://apache.oregonstate.edu/ > ftp://ftp.oregonstate.edu/pub/apache > rsync://ftp.oregonstate.edu888a:dbb7:2d49:b3f6:8605:bf4e:caed:e5a4pache/ > > Mirrored by Oregon State University in the USA on 500GB of RAID5 disk > connected via Internet2. > > Thanx! > > Scott Kveton > -- > Network Engineering > Oregon State University From carolyn93@example.net Tue Aug 13 18:13:59 2002 Return-Path: <carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 74636 invoked by uid 500); 13 Aug 2002 18:13:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact carolyn93@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: carolyn93@example.net list-help: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-post: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 74532 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 18:13:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:13:59 -0700 From: Aaron Bannert <carolyn93@example.net> To: Cliff Woolley <carolyn93@example.net> Cc: carolyn93@example.net, carolyn93@example.net Subject: Re: Mirror reorganization Message-ID: <carolyn93@example.net> References: <carolyn93@example.net> <carolyn93@example.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <carolyn93@example.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 02:05:24PM -0400, Cliff Woolley wrote: > Urm, ouch. I have to claim responsibility for that one. I knew the > mirrors would have to resync but I didn't think it was that big (and > didn't bother to count MB's). :-( This isn't your fault, it's the fault of the way we organize our files and directories. The fact that we ever move files around after they become "old" means that we are doubling the amount of sync bandwidth over time. We eat this all at once (like last night) or slowly, but it still eats unnecessary bandwidth. Regardless, let's kill 6 (+/- 2) birds with one stone and fix it carolyn93@example.net. :) Besides, coming up with a consistent scheme makes it easier for everyone, and if we can solve daedalus' bandwidth problems at the same time let's do it. -aaron From carolyn93@example.net Tue Aug 13 18:44:09 2002 Return-Path: <carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 96411 invoked by uid 500); 13 Aug 2002 18:44:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact carolyn93@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: carolyn93@example.net list-help: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-post: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 96389 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 18:44:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:44:09 +0200 (MEST) From: "Henk P. Penning" <carolyn93@example.net> To: Aaron Bannert <carolyn93@example.net> Cc: "carolyn93@example.net" <carolyn93@example.net>, "carolyn93@example.net" <carolyn93@example.net> Subject: Re: Mirror reorganization In-Reply-To: <carolyn93@example.net> Message-ID: <carolyn93@example.net> Followup-To: ruuinf.misc X-Org: Department of Computer Science; Utrecht University X-Org: P.O. Box 80.089; 3508 TB Utrecht; The Netherlands. X-Org: phone: 570-908-9588; telefax: 570-908-9588 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Aaron Bannert wrote: > Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:53:33 -0700 > From: Aaron Bannert <carolyn93@example.net> > To: "carolyn93@example.net" <carolyn93@example.net> > Cc: "carolyn93@example.net" <carolyn93@example.net> > Subject: Mirror reorganization > Just to reiterate how much of a problem I think this is, last night > in just the httpd-site directory, my mirror downloaded around 250MB > of data, merely because the older binary distributions were moved to > a new directory. This negates much of the efficiency of rsync. > > Therefore I propose that we restructure the directory layout to avoid the > need to move files once they are on the site, use web pages to provide > the proper amount of browsability and indirection, and at the same time > come up with a structure that allows for efficient load-balancing to > the mirrors: Hi, your problem and fine proposal assume that mirrors carry the 'historical' stuff. If mirrors only carried the 'current' stuff the problem would go away, and some maintenance would become less critical (the index.html's you propose are great, but leave ftp users 'in the cold'). As I said earlier, there are reasons for the mirrors NOT to carry the 'historical' stuff : 1) confusing and 2) nobody uses them. So, isn't it wise to FIRST decide if mirrors should carry the old stuff, at all ? I'm against it, but I'm flexible :-). > -aaron regards. Henk Penning Henk P. Penning, Dept of Computer Science, Utrecht University \__/ \ Padualaan 14, P.O. Box 80.089, 3508 TB Utrecht, The Netherlands. \__/ Telephone: 570-908-9588, fax: 2513791, NIC-handle: HPP1 _/ \__/ \ News.answers http://www.cs.uu.nl/cgi-bin/faqwais \__/ \__/ \__/ From carolyn93@example.net Tue Aug 13 19:35:49 2002 Return-Path: <carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 39722 invoked by uid 500); 13 Aug 2002 19:35:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact carolyn93@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: carolyn93@example.net list-help: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-post: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 39700 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 19:35:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:35:47 -0700 From: Aaron Bannert <carolyn93@example.net> To: "Henk P. Penning" <carolyn93@example.net> Cc: "carolyn93@example.net" <carolyn93@example.net>, "carolyn93@example.net" <carolyn93@example.net> Subject: Re: Mirror reorganization Message-ID: <carolyn93@example.net> References: <carolyn93@example.net> <carolyn93@example.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <carolyn93@example.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 08:44:09PM +0200, Henk P. Penning wrote: > your problem and fine proposal assume that mirrors carry > the 'historical' stuff. If mirrors only carried the 'current' > stuff the problem would go away, and some maintenance would > become less critical (the index.html's you propose are great, > but leave ftp users 'in the cold'). I wasn't aware that the ASF did any FTP at all, let alone though mirrors. FTP users can navigate to the right directory and look for the highest numbered version of a particular distribution, the index.html just makes it easier (besides, that's what HTML was designed for :). > As I said earlier, there are reasons for the mirrors NOT to carry > the 'historical' stuff : 1) confusing and 2) nobody uses them. I disagree. I've used my own mirror for retrieving older distributions on many occasions. It also serves another significant purpose: backups. > So, isn't it wise to FIRST decide if mirrors should carry > the old stuff, at all ? I'm against it, but I'm flexible :-). You bring up a good point. What are the issues behind not wanting to mirror the historical distributions? As a mirror admin I wouldn't mind mirroring all source/binary distributions. As an ASF member I'd like to have our mirrors do whatever they can to improve reliability and reduce the bandwidth and hosting costs of the apache.org sites. This brings up another secondary point, which probably deserves a post of its own: Would those who have donated mirror resources like to have a page that basicly says "thanks to these groups for donating their time, bandwidth and machines to our mirror network: ..."? I think it would be nice to recognise this contribution. :) -aaron From carolyn93@example.net Tue Aug 13 20:06:10 2002 Return-Path: <carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 62234 invoked by uid 500); 13 Aug 2002 20:06:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact carolyn93@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: carolyn93@example.net list-help: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> list-post: <mailto:carolyn93@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list carolyn93@example.net Received: (qmail 62218 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 20:06:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:06:13 -0700 From: Scott Kveton <carolyn93@example.net> To: carolyn93@example.net Subject: Re: Mirror reorganization Message-ID: <carolyn93@example.net> References: <carolyn93@example.net> <carolyn93@example.net> <carolyn93@example.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <carolyn93@example.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > You bring up a good point. What are the issues behind not wanting to > mirror the historical distributions? Bandwidth is cheap and disk is cheaper ... I say keep the old revisions around. > As a mirror admin I wouldn't mind mirroring all source/binary > distributions. As an ASF member I'd like to have our mirrors do whatever > they can to improve reliability and reduce the bandwidth and hosting > costs of the apache.org sites. Agreed. That is my only goal in being a mirror; help out ASF in whatever way I can. I use Apache everyday and feel like I have to give something back ... this is the best way I know how. On another note, how are other applications handling this sort of mirroring? I know for one I use Debian and they actually place a time-stamp on the primary server that is then propagated down to the mirrors. Your new closer.cgi could easily query this file to see if its out of date or not and get people _the best_ mirror possible ... just a thought. Automate it and forget it. Although this site is down at the moment, http://www.de.debian.org/dmc/today/ gives a clear picture of who is up-to-date as of when and they rank them ... I'm not saying you have to get that crazy about it but if you're reworking things you could easily do the timestamp ... just a thoguht. > This brings up another secondary point, which probably deserves a > post of its own: Would those who have donated mirror resources > like to have a page that basicly says "thanks to these groups for > donating their time, bandwidth and machines to our mirror network: ..."? > I think it would be nice to recognise this contribution. :) I don't get a pat on the back from any of the other sites I mirror ... no reason for you all to
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