From general-returnkwhite@example.com Sun Jun 01 02:28:10 2008 Return-Path: <general-returnkwhite@example.com> Delivered-To: kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 50237 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 02:28:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 1 Jun 2008 02:28:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 83156 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2008 02:28:10 -0000 Delivered-To: kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 83014 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2008 02:28:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact kwhite@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Id: <general.incubator.apache.org> Reply-To: kwhite@example.com Delivered-To: mailing list kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 83003 invoked by uid 99); 1 Jun 2008 02:28:10 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 31 May 2008 19:28:10 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=10.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO sca-es-mail-1.sun.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:27:20 +0000 Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([83.161.120.155]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m512Raih012472 for <kwhite@example.com>; Sat, 31 May 2008 19:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <kwhite@example.com> (original mail from kwhite@example.com) for kwhite@example.com; Sat, 31 May 2008 19:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (c-24-6-172-77.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [83.161.120.155]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <kwhite@example.com> for kwhite@example.com; Sat, 31 May 2008 19:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 19:27:35 -0700 From: Craig L Russell <kwhite@example.com> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate JSecurity Project In-reply-to: <kwhite@example.com> Sender: kwhite@example.com To: kwhite@example.com Message-id: <kwhite@example.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Content-type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-(600)620-5323 References: <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --Apple-Mail-(600)620-5323 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IMHO, the decision on build tools belongs to the community. I've signed on to mentor this project. Maybe there is a "fast track" through the incubator, and this is a good project to try it out. Can JSecurity get graduated in six months? Craig On May 30, 2008, at 9:08 AM, Jeremy Haile wrote: > Ant+Ivy vs Maven =) > > > On May 30, 2008, at 12:06 PM, James Carman wrote: > >> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Emmanuel Lecharny >> <kwhite@example.com> wrote: >> >>> Maven vs Ant vs Buildr ? >> >> Who uses Ant or Buildr? ;) >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: kwhite@example.com >> For additional commands, e-mail: kwhite@example.com >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: kwhite@example.com > For additional commands, e-mail: kwhite@example.com > Craig Russell Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo (600)620-5323 mailto:kwhite@example.com P.S. A good JDO? 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([83.161.120.155]) by mail.devtech.com (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1-dev) with SMTP ID 661 for <kwhite@example.com>; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 11:29:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Noel J. Bergman" <kwhite@example.com> To: <kwhite@example.com> Subject: The nature of Incubator projects Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 11:29:25 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <kwhite@example.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Henri Yandell wrote: > > "While incubation status is not necessarily a reflection of the > > completeness or stability of the code, it does indicate that > > the project has yet to be fully endorsed by the ASF." > Which is crap and should be deleted. If you, wearing your Director and/or ASF Member hat want to raise the issue before the Board and/or Membership to change the nature of the Incubator, feel free to do so. Until then, this is just a dissenting opinion which, while respected, is out of step with our mandate and policy. --- Noel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: kwhite@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: kwhite@example.com From general-returnkwhite@example.com Sun Jun 01 15:40:30 2008 Return-Path: <general-returnkwhite@example.com> Delivered-To: kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 30251 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 15:40:28 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 1 Jun 2008 15:40:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 5376 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2008 15:40:30 -0000 Delivered-To: kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 4851 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2008 15:40:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact kwhite@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Id: <general.incubator.apache.org> Reply-To: kwhite@example.com Delivered-To: mailing list kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 4840 invoked by uid 99); 1 Jun 2008 15:40:29 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 08:40:29 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of kwhite@example.com designates 83.161.120.155 as permitted sender) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO fg-out-1718.google.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:39:41 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so543063fgb.26 for <kwhite@example.com>; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 08:39:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=7CDt1jcp+gNUXu/Kl3VpJFgypSNy/Q9i0GgVBdcNEYk=; b=J5e6YsD/saeHjHu3lN0fn4NTk65dcozG0EXP3wYB8xFKnmRqDKsdEnjGF3npbBR2xiVh8QUqUjj/2XTpG4X6wIuHtvZnQ6pVKHzhWqQBdTAm0RXx3lqBs0Dw5IOqG4SjrvzzuqUmxBk4bLhsAeeknThwIjYsy1D5e6yTl9RCb0Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GHC6C4F110bbv1L+vsLOqfKko6nVGQ9ECY6qqnzXVpjoV9KUHMuVP/lTEPwcZPL2Gi3BkMWYUjw/KUxkDr4os5gjtG/mxDLWguiOpxDkM6iMfFmj2+Hcrmx8UPOEjvrocn4/gPOe3CCgP5uiuA5IYxZ8isyPvi7SAyPP7mLo8BE= Received: by 83.161.120.155 with SMTP id s11mr230382fga.71.1212334797012; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 08:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 83.161.120.155 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 08:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <kwhite@example.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 08:39:56 -0700 From: "Luciano Resende" <kwhite@example.com> To: kwhite@example.com Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate JSecurity Project In-Reply-To: <kwhite@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Craig L Russell <kwhite@example.com> wrote: > IMHO, the decision on build tools belongs to the community. > > I've signed on to mentor this project. > > Maybe there is a "fast track" through the incubator, and this is a good > project to try it out. Can JSecurity get graduated in six months? > This would probably depends on the podling being able to demonstrate to IPMC that they are ready and they have met the requirements in [1]. Having said that, I have seen podlings that are very active, lots of users, but having difficulty to really get the Apache Way. [1] http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Graduating+from+the+Incubator > Craig > > On May 30, 2008, at 9:08 AM, Jeremy Haile wrote: > >> Ant+Ivy vs Maven =) >> >> >> On May 30, 2008, at 12:06 PM, James Carman wrote: >> >>> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Emmanuel Lecharny >>> <kwhite@example.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Maven vs Ant vs Buildr ? >>> >>> Who uses Ant or Buildr? ;) >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: kwhite@example.com >>> For additional commands, e-mail: kwhite@example.com >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: kwhite@example.com >> For additional commands, e-mail: kwhite@example.com >> > > Craig Russell > Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo > (600)620-5323 mailto:kwhite@example.com > P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! > > -- Luciano Resende Apache Tuscany Committer http://people.apache.org/~lresende http://lresende.blogspot.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: kwhite@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: kwhite@example.com From general-returnkwhite@example.com Sun Jun 01 16:00:24 2008 Return-Path: <general-returnkwhite@example.com> Delivered-To: kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 33084 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 16:00:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 1 Jun 2008 16:00:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 19828 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2008 16:00:23 -0000 Delivered-To: kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 19654 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2008 16:00:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact kwhite@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Id: <general.incubator.apache.org> Reply-To: kwhite@example.com Delivered-To: mailing list kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 19643 invoked by uid 99); 1 Jun 2008 16:00:22 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 09:00:22 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=10.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OIMO,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO mail.devtech.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:59:28 +0000 Message-ID: <kwhite@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MessageIsInfected: false Received: from mail.devtech.com. ([83.161.120.155]) by mail.devtech.com (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1-dev) with SMTP ID 575 for <kwhite@example.com>; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 11:59:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Noel J. Bergman" <kwhite@example.com> To: <kwhite@example.com> Subject: RE: maven repository Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 11:59:48 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <kwhite@example.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Henri Yandell wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > I really do not know why we have to revisit this same topic year after year > > after year. We do not want people to be using any Incubator artifact > > without explicit knowledge and action, so we do not want them polluting the > > standard repository. > And as with every year I'll call "BS" :) > We do want people to use them, and we do want them on the standard > repository. They are releases. They are *Incubator* releases. And we do care that people are aware of that status. You are free to try to convince the Board and/or Membership to change the Incubator's mandate, but until then that is the issue. We want awareness and consent by the end-user, not "hinderance." This is analogous to the multiverse repository (or even a PPA repository), vs main and security in Ubuntu-land. A user must explicitly choose to allow artifacts found in repositories other than main and security. There are disclaimers associated with the repositories. FWIW, I agree with James that we would use signing to be more fine-grained, but didn't want to go into that degree of detail in the earlier discussion. > If the nays get their way though - the solution is easy. Release your > incubating release outside the ASF and get it sync'd from there to the > central repository. Before suggesting that projects intentionally circumvent ASF procedure, you might want to discuss that with Justin and/or Dave Johnson, since they spent a lot of time dealing with it for Roller. --- Noel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: kwhite@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: kwhite@example.com From general-returnkwhite@example.com Sun Jun 01 17:10:38 2008 Return-Path: <general-returnkwhite@example.com> Delivered-To: kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 43114 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 17:10:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 1 Jun 2008 17:10:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 55937 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2008 17:10:38 -0000 Delivered-To: kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 55767 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2008 17:10:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact kwhite@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Id: <general.incubator.apache.org> Reply-To: kwhite@example.com Delivered-To: mailing list kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 55752 invoked by uid 99); 1 Jun 2008 17:10:38 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 10:10:38 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=10.0 tests=SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO fg-out-1718.google.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 17:09:50 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so557223fgb.26 for <kwhite@example.com>; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 10:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 83.161.120.155 with SMTP id x8mr7037582fgx.76.1212340205401; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 10:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 83.161.120.155 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <kwhite@example.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 13:10:05 -0400 From: "James Carman" <kwhite@example.com> Sender: kwhite@example.com To: kwhite@example.com Subject: Re: maven repository In-Reply-To: <kwhite@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7e71dba459d48a8f X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Noel J. Bergman <kwhite@example.com> wrote: > FWIW, I agree with James that we would use signing to be more fine-grained, > but didn't want to go into that degree of detail in the earlier discussion. > I apologize for being so verbose. This is probably not the correct forum to discuss those changes at that level of detail. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: kwhite@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: kwhite@example.com From general-returnkwhite@example.com Sun Jun 01 17:54:22 2008 Return-Path: <general-returnkwhite@example.com> Delivered-To: kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 50025 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 17:54:20 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 1 Jun 2008 17:54:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 78765 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2008 17:54:21 -0000 Delivered-To: kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 78618 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2008 17:54:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact kwhite@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Id: <general.incubator.apache.org> Reply-To: kwhite@example.com Delivered-To: mailing list kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 78607 invoked by uid 99); 1 Jun 2008 17:54:21 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 10:54:21 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO as.toolazydogs.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 17:53:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 7222 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 10:53:45 -0700 Received: from c-71-202-181-13.hsd1.ca.comcast.net (HELO ?83.161.120.155?) (83.161.120.155) by toolazydogs.com with (AES128-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 1 Jun 2008 10:53:45 -0700 Message-Id: <kwhite@example.com> From: "Alan D. Cabrera" <kwhite@example.com> To: kwhite@example.com In-Reply-To: <kwhite@example.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate JSecurity Project Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:53:43 -0700 References: <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On May 31, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Craig L Russell wrote: > I've signed on to mentor this project. Great! > Maybe there is a "fast track" through the incubator, and this is a > good project to try it out. Can JSecurity get graduated in six months? IIUC, all incubator projects are on the "fast track". I personally like to see one release under incubation to see the podling in action. It's always interesting to see what happens when people outside the original clique start contributing to the project. Regards, Alan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: kwhite@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: kwhite@example.com From general-returnkwhite@example.com Sun Jun 01 18:44:43 2008 Return-Path: <general-returnkwhite@example.com> Delivered-To: kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 62482 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 18:44:43 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 1 Jun 2008 18:44:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 95782 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2008 18:44:44 -0000 Delivered-To: kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 95619 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2008 18:44:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact kwhite@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Id: <general.incubator.apache.org> Reply-To: kwhite@example.com Delivered-To: mailing list kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 95608 invoked by uid 99); 1 Jun 2008 18:44:43 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 11:44:43 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of kwhite@example.com designates 83.161.120.155 as permitted sender) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 18:43:52 +0000 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so772854wff.21 for <kwhite@example.com>; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 11:44:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=O+RIF9jJfG2NEeh8+J/yQvyBYIgIapyKgaepJzJIEtg=; b=Ffwm86Pepzpegk6lY9BWaztLDQmJsR8NrfLxmwspGcYfOX96jTW9bBrEN+kakRLnzmyLWJcZXRzcYP2zcYKDJwqFnWQ549w7A13i5RTyzXnsAG4+RFzzBmPaQTLEJM5NW4iaVQDzjzBK8zNhwO4RbSZt+VSTP95zCYs7hoiIquk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tnj7ZpYbzdXWOfybj0io/vC3d3alMqmxN7UfFzTJP5dJNTAXOFH5q+syhg07CMiswKM6IQGUDAs7ywXfoU1uJEnrT48cgnULI8vGO7WgyB8OGZETvD36uN46yZ2dxrxhtLlcRgtj/xvrJA4sSbLppZIZzAOm58IB4zq9T9wn8Vk= Received: by 83.161.120.155 with SMTP id o15mr1231386wfh.97.1212345848487; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 11:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 83.161.120.155 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 11:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <kwhite@example.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 20:44:08 +0200 From: "Martijn Dashorst" <kwhite@example.com> To: kwhite@example.com Subject: Re: [IP-CLEARANCE] wicket kitten auth In-Reply-To: <kwhite@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <kwhite@example.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org After a week of The Sound of Lazy Consensus, this clearance has passed. The Wicket PMC will go forward and integrate these cute kittens into our code base. Martijn Dashorst On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Martijn Dashorst <kwhite@example.com> wrote: > Thoof inc (http://thoof.com) has donated a captcha to the Wicket > project that employs pictures of kittens instead of scrambled letters > for testing for a human. > > - The ASF secretary has recorded the software grant. > - The code (+ checksums) was uploaded to Jira issue WICKET-1610 [1] > - The ip clearance form was added to the Incubator site.[2] * > - The vote to accept it passed. [3] > > Please let me know of any issues. > > Martijn Dashorst > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/WICKET-1610 > [2] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/kitten-auth.html > [3] http://wicket.markmail.org/message/jl7d6sjrvbaxaekx?q=list:org%2Eapache%2Ewicket%2Edev&page=1 > -- Buy Wicket in Action: http://manning.com/dashorst Apache Wicket 1.3.3 is released Get it now: http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/wicket/1.3.3 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: kwhite@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: kwhite@example.com From general-returnkwhite@example.com Sun Jun 01 18:46:19 2008 Return-Path: <general-returnkwhite@example.com> Delivered-To: kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 65027 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 18:46:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 1 Jun 2008 18:46:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 97588 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2008 18:46:19 -0000 Delivered-To: kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 97450 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2008 18:46:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact kwhite@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Id: <general.incubator.apache.org> Reply-To: kwhite@example.com Delivered-To: mailing list kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 97439 invoked by uid 99); 1 Jun 2008 18:46:18 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 11:46:18 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of kwhite@example.com designates 83.161.120.155 as permitted sender) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 18:45:27 +0000 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b38so204442ana.83 for <kwhite@example.com>; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 11:45:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=GenpOf08BQm3Uih8xeLjez8vdyevMyIusQQFzOhQg2o=; b=senSGPkgKIE9KB1WUlP/hZ1GZyMKqEYZersx/7oJrAf4jbqF7eZJLIZQ+bHXL8vgLXxTOTGFN0ljwbejP6JbEtFRIdMBYqbCOARDIR7h/ciFIvOEMYRiOhCASKdSuyyPzMVWxfr5J1uIRcZii95/a82KzZMnvRb1kSLYCjec9Ig= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QRQ000adO79EJ33FTYtp7Wq6B95TufsB2nNLAJiODPzZl4a8IBfu8FDZXsner3Xcxllb1BMjRBjcN0mnWqjt5cChM2Td1rV9vCgCnHI2+AgBAtuazv+K50I7W4pqh4qi0+93BwHnWsMCXUO0x/ks4mdFN9GpsYgyi+J6JYwlk8k= Received: by 83.161.120.155 with SMTP id a13mr4279949anh.70.1212345943328; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 11:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 83.161.120.155 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 11:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <kwhite@example.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 20:45:43 +0200 From: "Bernd Fondermann" <kwhite@example.com> To: kwhite@example.com Subject: Re: maven-repository cont. In-Reply-To: <kwhite@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Noel J. Bergman <kwhite@example.com> wrote: > Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > >> > "Every incubator release is also an Apache release" >> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#rules > >> +1 >> every incubator release is an official apache release > > While technically accurate, the way you are both using the term conveys a > false meaning that would be in conflict with the clear statement in the > Incubator Disclaimer: > > "While incubation status is not necessarily a reflection of the > completeness or stability of the code, it does indicate that > the project has yet to be fully endorsed by the ASF." > > And every time you want to gray that area, you provide more weight for > making the division between the Incubator and the rest of the ASF more > starkly delineated, which would result in measures more onerous than most > under discussion. So let's try and keep that line nice and clear, rather > than blur it. > > --- Noel I dont' get where the contradiction is, or the gray area. 'Release' is about source code, 'project' is about much more: people, code, etc. Let's say, the Incubator publishes a release 'foo-incubating-0.9-src.zip' of podling 'foo'. Say, the released code is stable and has everything we would want from a release. Later, the project gets cancelled while in incubation, for diversity reasons, lack of interest, whatever. So we have (a) a regular release of (b) a failed incubating project. The _release_ refers to the released code, while the podling failed, which the _disclaimer_ is good for. If it wasn't a proper release, well it shouldn't have been released. Bernd --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: kwhite@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: kwhite@example.com From general-returnkwhite@example.com Sun Jun 01 18:53:26 2008 Return-Path: <general-returnkwhite@example.com> Delivered-To: kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 68128 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 18:53:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 1 Jun 2008 18:53:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 6724 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2008 18:53:26 -0000 Delivered-To: kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 6581 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2008 18:53:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact kwhite@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Id: <general.incubator.apache.org> Reply-To: kwhite@example.com Delivered-To: mailing list kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 6570 invoked by uid 99); 1 Jun 2008 18:53:25 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 11:53:25 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=10.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO sca-es-mail-1.sun.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 18:52:28 +0000 Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([83.161.120.155]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m51IqmRg023394 for <kwhite@example.com>; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 11:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <kwhite@example.com> (original mail from kwhite@example.com) for kwhite@example.com; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 11:52:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (c-24-6-172-77.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [83.161.120.155]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <kwhite@example.com> for kwhite@example.com; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 11:52:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 11:52:47 -0700 From: Craig L Russell <kwhite@example.com> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate JSecurity Project In-reply-to: <kwhite@example.com> Sender: kwhite@example.com To: kwhite@example.com Message-id: <kwhite@example.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Content-type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-(600)620-5323 References: <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --Apple-Mail-(600)620-5323 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jun 1, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > > On May 31, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Craig L Russell wrote: > >> I've signed on to mentor this project. > > Great! > >> Maybe there is a "fast track" through the incubator, and this is a >> good project to try it out. Can JSecurity get graduated in six >> months? > > IIUC, all incubator projects are on the "fast track". Well, there is a big difference between entry and exit criteria for the incubator. Many projects entering incubation need to resolve IP issues, build a community, and learn how to work in open source. So, no, I don't think all projects are on the fast track. > I personally like to see one release under incubation to see the > podling in action. And most incubator folks agree. > It's always interesting to see what happens when people outside the > original clique start contributing to the project. Yes, community building is a big part of incubation. Craig > > Regards, > Alan > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: kwhite@example.com > For additional commands, e-mail: kwhite@example.com > Craig Russell Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo (600)620-5323 mailto:kwhite@example.com P.S. A good JDO? 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Craig, We're definitely happy to have you as a mentor. Thanks for joining in! Have you joined the developer list? I have at least one question to ask you thus far, but I don't want to hijack this thread. Thanks! Les On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Craig L Russell <kwhite@example.com> wrote: > On Jun 1, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > >> >> On May 31, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Craig L Russell wrote: >> >> I've signed on to mentor this project. >>> >> >> Great! >> >> Maybe there is a "fast track" through the incubator, and this is a good >>> project to try it out. Can JSecurity get graduated in six months? >>> >> >> IIUC, all incubator projects are on the "fast track". >> > > Well, there is a big difference between entry and exit criteria for the > incubator. Many projects entering incubation need to resolve IP issues, > build a community, and learn how to work in open source. So, no, I don't > think all projects are on the fast track. > > I personally like to see one release under incubation to see the podling >> in action. >> > > And most incubator folks agree. > > It's always interesting to see what happens when people outside the >> original clique start contributing to the project. >> > > Yes, community building is a big part of incubation. > > Craig > >> >> Regards, >> Alan >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: kwhite@example.com >> For additional commands, e-mail: kwhite@example.com >> >> > Craig Russell > Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo > (600)620-5323 mailto:kwhite@example.com > P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! > > ------=_Part_649_19008218.1212346799073-- From general-returnkwhite@example.com Sun Jun 01 19:30:00 2008 Return-Path: <general-returnkwhite@example.com> Delivered-To: kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 77860 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 19:30:00 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 1 Jun 2008 19:30:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 28264 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2008 19:30:01 -0000 Delivered-To: kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 28140 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2008 19:30:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact kwhite@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Id: <general.incubator.apache.org> Reply-To: kwhite@example.com Delivered-To: mailing list kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 28126 invoked by uid 99); 1 Jun 2008 19:30:01 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:30:01 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=10.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of kwhite@example.com designates 83.161.120.155 as permitted sender) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 19:29:13 +0000 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id k29so619089rvb.0 for <kwhite@example.com>; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:29:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=0kyjoLNLhw+wojkqEhzTUisDFPAdg1twd/PQDelIRK0=; b=NQNmZvWzLjmuIlfnGopVWmfBU6T5h7BvX1RNbqo08MHrKCXcOxrzqHu96IKQfwkbK8D0RAbI3FKgDm16XIWJ6wKxOnPG/nmmIQSvQY0zmHhrHJaTmkWqbS4O1zVN4kqpQdvoAzUhwyK//kVa9VkVjtRF2Xh/+njsFnovGut20jo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=tgUk5FuaWEviZ7Dt/rNNHmxEXhAqX7xbBWOc5/YgSv58EaYE+SF4Qcbm15o7VL4hfYmWIXQWp+cq+pcpsxZWnNfx3n3kpSTDS68rDNL0D5c+1R7OKuIY28rTcq9rJb7E5Q3gz9rS8emcpDtwtxYvtjDouuG9yvv8JMJxfyF+iYE= Received: by 83.161.120.155 with SMTP id c5mr4452979rvp.80.1212348568635; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:29:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 83.161.120.155 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:29:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <kwhite@example.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 15:29:28 -0400 From: "Alex Karasulu" <kwhite@example.com> Sender: kwhite@example.com To: kwhite@example.com Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate JSecurity Project In-Reply-To: <kwhite@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5284_1882727.1212348568629" References: <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 023c557b07386aa6 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org ------=_Part_5284_1882727.1212348568629 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Craig L Russell <kwhite@example.com> wrote: > On Jun 1, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > >> >> On May 31, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Craig L Russell wrote: >> >> I've signed on to mentor this project. >>> >> >> Great! >> >> Maybe there is a "fast track" through the incubator, and this is a good >>> project to try it out. Can JSecurity get graduated in six months? >>> >> >> IIUC, all incubator projects are on the "fast track". >> > > Well, there is a big difference between entry and exit criteria for the > incubator. Many projects entering incubation need to resolve IP issues, > build a community, and learn how to work in open source. So, no, I don't > think all projects are on the fast track. > It's all up to the community. They're in charge of their destiny and it's up to them to achieve what is required for graduation. Bottom line, the podling must meet the Apache Incubator's criteria. If that occurs quickly then wonderful, if not, then it may take some more time to cook. It may never graduate at all if the criteria are not met and the right community does not gel. Furthermore, the project may decide down the road that the Apache Way may not be the best way for them. Who knows? Even with our easiest incubation (Wicket I think) we were hopeful at the start but you just never know how long this will take. Healthy stable communities form like a fine wine and rushing graduation is like rushing the fermentation process. It takes a while to get there but when we do we've got a gem. Regardless though, let's not impose artificial time frames on increasing or decreasing the incubation time. Let's just get on with meeting the criteria for graduation. That's the best that we can do. > > > I personally like to see one release under incubation to see the podling >> in action. >> > > And most incubator folks agree. > +1 Regards, Alex ------=_Part_5284_1882727.1212348568629-- From general-returnkwhite@example.com Sun Jun 01 22:35:52 2008 Return-Path: <general-returnkwhite@example.com> Delivered-To: kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 9062 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 22:35:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 1 Jun 2008 22:35:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 19846 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2008 22:35:52 -0000 Delivered-To: kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 19732 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2008 22:35:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact kwhite@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Id: <general.incubator.apache.org> Reply-To: kwhite@example.com Delivered-To: mailing list kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 19721 invoked by uid 99); 1 Jun 2008 22:35:52 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:35:52 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=10.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO sca-es-mail-1.sun.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:34:56 +0000 Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([83.161.120.155]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m51MZHdQ026582 for <kwhite@example.com>; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 15:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <kwhite@example.com> (original mail from kwhite@example.com) for kwhite@example.com; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (c-24-6-172-77.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [83.161.120.155]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <kwhite@example.com> for kwhite@example.com; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:35:16 -0700 From: Craig L Russell <kwhite@example.com> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate JSecurity Project In-reply-to: <kwhite@example.com> Sender: kwhite@example.com To: kwhite@example.com Message-id: <kwhite@example.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Content-type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-34--23201248 References: <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --Apple-Mail-34--23201248 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Alex, I think the proposal is a good one and has good prospects for success. No quarrel with anything you've said. Craig On Jun 1, 2008, at 12:29 PM, Alex Karasulu wrote: > On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Craig L Russell > <kwhite@example.com> > wrote: > >> On Jun 1, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: >> >>> >>> On May 31, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Craig L Russell wrote: >>> >>> I've signed on to mentor this project. >>>> >>> >>> Great! >>> >>> Maybe there is a "fast track" through the incubator, and this is a >>> good >>>> project to try it out. Can JSecurity get graduated in six months? >>>> >>> >>> IIUC, all incubator projects are on the "fast track". >>> >> >> Well, there is a big difference between entry and exit criteria for >> the >> incubator. Many projects entering incubation need to resolve IP >> issues, >> build a community, and learn how to work in open source. So, no, I >> don't >> think all projects are on the fast track. >> > > It's all up to the community. They're in charge of their destiny > and it's > up to them to achieve what is required for graduation. > > Bottom line, the podling must meet the Apache Incubator's criteria. > If that > occurs quickly then wonderful, if not, then it may take some more > time to > cook. It may never graduate at all if the criteria are not met and > the > right community does not gel. Furthermore, the project may decide > down the > road that the Apache Way may not be the best way for them. Who > knows? Even > with our easiest incubation (Wicket I think) we were hopeful at the > start > but you just never know how long this will take. > > Healthy stable communities form like a fine wine and rushing > graduation is > like rushing the fermentation process. It takes a while to get > there but > when we do we've got a gem. Regardless though, let's not impose > artificial > time frames on increasing or decreasing the incubation time. Let's > just get > on with meeting the criteria for graduation. That's the best that > we can > do. > > >> >> >> I personally like to see one release under incubation to see the >> podling >>> in action. >>> >> >> And most incubator folks agree. >> > > +1 > > Regards, > Alex Craig Russell Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo (600)620-5323 mailto:kwhite@example.com P.S. A good JDO? 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([83.161.120.155]) by mail.devtech.com (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1-dev) with SMTP ID 409 for <kwhite@example.com>; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 23:29:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Noel J. Bergman" <kwhite@example.com> To: <kwhite@example.com> Subject: RE: maven repository Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 23:30:01 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <kwhite@example.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org James Carman wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > FWIW, I agree with James that we would use signing to be more fine-grained, > > but didn't want to go into that degree of detail in the earlier discussion. > I apologize for being so verbose. This is probably not the correct > forum to discuss those changes at that level of detail. No need to apologize. As I said, I agree with you. I just didn't want to delve into details when we don't even have support from Maven, yet. :-) --- Noel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: kwhite@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: kwhite@example.com From general-returnkwhite@example.com Mon Jun 02 03:34:25 2008 Return-Path: <general-returnkwhite@example.com> Delivered-To: kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 64195 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2008 03:34:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 2 Jun 2008 03:34:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 6263 invoked by uid 500); 2 Jun 2008 03:34:25 -0000 Delivered-To: kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 6078 invoked by uid 500); 2 Jun 2008 03:34:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact kwhite@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Id: <general.incubator.apache.org> Reply-To: kwhite@example.com Delivered-To: mailing list kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 6067 invoked by uid 99); 2 Jun 2008 03:34:24 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 20:34:24 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=10.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OIMO,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO mail.devtech.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 03:33:36 +0000 Message-ID: <kwhite@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MessageIsInfected: false Received: from mail.devtech.com. ([83.161.120.155]) by mail.devtech.com (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1-dev) with SMTP ID 87 for <kwhite@example.com>; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 23:33:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Noel J. Bergman" <kwhite@example.com> To: <kwhite@example.com> Subject: RE: maven-repository cont. Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 23:33:55 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <kwhite@example.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Bernd Fondermann wrote: > > "While incubation status is not necessarily a reflection of the > > completeness or stability of the code, it does indicate that > > the project has yet to be fully endorsed by the ASF." > Let's say, the Incubator publishes a release 'foo-incubating-0.9-src.zip' of > podling 'foo'. Say, the released code is stable and has everything we would > want from a release. Later, the project gets cancelled while in incubation, > for diversity reasons, lack of interest, whatever. So we have (a) a regular > release of (b) a failed incubating project. The _release_ refers to the > released code, while the podling failed, which the _disclaimer_ is good for. Simply put: Maven circumvents the disclaimer. Users never see it, may never be aware that they have such dependencies. We're trying to address that problem. --- Noel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: kwhite@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: kwhite@example.com From general-returnkwhite@example.com Mon Jun 02 06:51:02 2008 Return-Path: <general-returnkwhite@example.com> Delivered-To: kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 13130 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2008 06:51:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 2 Jun 2008 06:51:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 15261 invoked by uid 500); 2 Jun 2008 06:51:01 -0000 Delivered-To: kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 15130 invoked by uid 500); 2 Jun 2008 06:51:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact kwhite@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Id: <general.incubator.apache.org> Reply-To: kwhite@example.com Delivered-To: mailing list kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 15119 invoked by uid 99); 2 Jun 2008 06:51:01 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 23:51:01 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of kwhite@example.com designates 83.161.120.155 as permitted sender) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 06:50:12 +0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so261145ugc.15 for <kwhite@example.com>; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 23:50:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=KJkQA9TIhyMDAj0O2MVg1ezTroGSk2hoQnkrQSZayIM=; b=pW0wRGZbC2LdAoEBoGDGRn84wsLmqmDZzXqoAXuF1Y34mEj+OJ17ITfDubt17kOLY0 C7iGoNQQT0ighL2X+OdlraXhDgwQY7vS9PERkHYeurW1oZfoUDED/UevnmB4ggFl44wy xXp5U2RBoqfCz4rL86q9fWwL6hMEqI2/iwqas= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=bMQzOZ2flkMOSA3Tr/GYWV2Q3WhCIgkvoVoB2dKvng7VktFZUfe+s4HZNlz4DgomFG RKWxgRzzoXT9p0zvyCMEd+ZJpsyqr4au5fO3YI3lmmQBKhvzYJsoHR49nvJFoAt+041L +ZcqEmITTiHa6KgrLK9f19XtdMeXOUfpWH8MI= Received: by 83.161.120.155 with SMTP id z15mr1983064ugl.26.1212389428305; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 23:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 83.161.120.155 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 23:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <kwhite@example.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 23:50:28 -0700 From: "Henri Yandell" <kwhite@example.com> To: kwhite@example.com Subject: Re: maven repository In-Reply-To: <kwhite@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Noel J. Bergman <kwhite@example.com> wrote: > Henri Yandell wrote: > >> Noel J. Bergman wrote: >> > I really do not know why we have to revisit this same topic year after > year >> > after year. We do not want people to be using any Incubator artifact >> > without explicit knowledge and action, so we do not want them polluting > the >> > standard repository. > >> And as with every year I'll call "BS" :) > >> We do want people to use them, and we do want them on the standard >> repository. They are releases. > > They are *Incubator* releases. And we do care that people are aware of that > status. You are free to try to convince the Board and/or Membership to > change the Incubator's mandate, but until then that is the issue. Where is that mandate defined? I see nothing in the original resolution to imply this. To my understanding, treating Incubator podlings differently from Apache subprojects is an invention of the Incubator PMC. > We want awareness and consent by the end-user, not "hinderance." This is > analogous to the multiverse repository (or even a PPA repository), vs main > and security in Ubuntu-land. A user must explicitly choose to allow > artifacts found in repositories other than main and security. There are > disclaimers associated with the repositories. Not a great analogy though. Main = central. Project A is in central. It goes to Apache. It can no longer be in central because it is no longer a trusted project until Apache bless it. It's a nuts policy. Project B does not exist and is being created. Anywhere else, it goes into central. At Apache, it has to sit it out in its own sandbox waiting to be considered acceptable. That's if it is created in the Incubator (or a previously private project that is going public via the Incubator), or if it is in Labs where any releases have to happen outside of Apache as they can't happen inside, but not if it is a new subproject to an existing Apache project. We cut off our nose to spite our face. > FWIW, I agree with James that we would use signing to be more fine-grained, > but didn't want to go into that degree of detail in the earlier discussion. > >> If the nays get their way though - the solution is easy. Release your >> incubating release outside the ASF and get it sync'd from there to the >> central repository. > > Before suggesting that projects intentionally circumvent ASF procedure, you > might want to discuss that with Justin and/or Dave Johnson, since they spent > a lot of time dealing with it for Roller. I seem to remember spending a lot of time on it too - it had nothing to do with this issue but with the fact that it wanted to include an LGPL dependency. The solution was the same, release outside the ASF until it passes the ASF bar - the difference is that this thread claims there is a bar on ASF releases beyond the legal policies and the 3 +1s. Hen --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: kwhite@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: kwhite@example.com From general-returnkwhite@example.com Mon Jun 02 06:59:10 2008 Return-Path: <general-returnkwhite@example.com> Delivered-To: kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 15869 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2008 06:59:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 2 Jun 2008 06:59:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 25977 invoked by uid 500); 2 Jun 2008 06:59:10 -0000 Delivered-To: kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 25816 invoked by uid 500); 2 Jun 2008 06:59:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact kwhite@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Id: <general.incubator.apache.org> Reply-To: kwhite@example.com Delivered-To: mailing list kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 25805 invoked by uid 99); 2 Jun 2008 06:59:09 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 23:59:09 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of kwhite@example.com designates 83.161.120.155 as permitted sender) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 06:58:21 +0000 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u52so346826pyb.13 for <kwhite@example.com>; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 23:58:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=e1gbg2sHjC07qxQLNuFbCYHTTJmffEQRhm+ms0QuCDM=; b=cJDsJrYZeaWwMkFYr/kyNsJJ0b/GIE+Vzgm4gu7Zeoa4WNtANN+nJLW2dzAN4dwUUAv3Mhcu+FX/Sw0AFD3KuR9yDcSwQ+d49Gbd1drFfXqIyi+luGayCPZsLlQKMbb7noHC/rux5TA+ECdQc0v5beGMOFowOQU4WB35Oi+M7EU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ANDfLlceJpTPqSLDuWCXqz/xvUukNF6SYKgNT4DfABYnKHaumkH8OOh2BKqspel4SeQogTXwazwkBVG+069Ih6DviOOvBLMcyk+wL8YRiL7GGHioprX4EtYVpVnyM7+AESr3OGiJOgnfQ3bfi1c2AKvtpK309ki12hns7Sxbv8Y= Received: by 83.161.120.155 with SMTP id k7mr3404612wfj.305.1212389916782; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 23:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 83.161.120.155 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 23:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <kwhite@example.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 08:58:36 +0200 From: "Gilles Scokart" <kwhite@example.com> To: kwhite@example.com Subject: Re: enforced signing of artifacts, [was maven repository] In-Reply-To: <kwhite@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org 2008/5/31 Noel J. Bergman <kwhite@example.com>: > Implement that, and we're fine. We will > require Incubator artifacts to be signed by a designated key available to > the PMC, and once a user has acknowledged that they accept such Incubator > signed artifacts, maven can do what it wants with them. > > --- Noel > Is that really possible? I remember some discussion on the infra list about an ASF wide signature. And the conclusion was always the same : how to secure a key that can be used by so many people. If I remember well, some solution were proposed, but they were quiet heavy. Do we have a solution for that? -- Gilles Scokart --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: kwhite@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: kwhite@example.com From general-returnkwhite@example.com Mon Jun 02 07:00:32 2008 Return-Path: <general-returnkwhite@example.com> Delivered-To: kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 16705 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2008 07:00:30 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 2 Jun 2008 07:00:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 28452 invoked by uid 500); 2 Jun 2008 07:00:31 -0000 Delivered-To: kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 28321 invoked by uid 500); 2 Jun 2008 07:00:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact kwhite@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:kwhite@example.com> List-Id: <general.incubator.apache.org> Reply-To: kwhite@example.com Delivered-To: mailing list kwhite@example.com Received: (qmail 28310 invoked by uid 99); 2 Jun 2008 07:00:30 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 00:00:30 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of kwhite@example.com designates 83.161.120.155 as permitted sender) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 06:59:42 +0000 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so459565nfi.40 for <kwhite@example.com>; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 23:59:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=5ThC228Rd/k2eSjQciSkY5PnMBwcFMmrm71rlKdhH3g=; b=P64h0sMnat8x7tpDZOfjgIVXhEOWh4jSgJycyaoOueqfqdYfr9AgZe86zSeWikVpZYoUBISRsHzU1SIRj1OiUfGpF3eyNh3Trpfhku5rfLKPRtYk4NplQIexku/y8w89UrJZQiSnaoZFJ79dAsVzBckLXtwhyMQUo84zd1ky08A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oSCEnHTEIcGLr1I7bFF1sZ0cDxQ4ffa/OBhDP9urZHvmzOHGrmwQ2gl8TpRTdNzu08EF3T48vWKCshS5aRUkQXxvZgnCcKa2kXEV7I3XIa92rcSOumTsAnqKu2FbI4ZihM2ycvvoAnW4ym/ce9QhO7BLlHK+zqYUrS3xsQ/ctGc= Received: by 83.161.120.155 with SMTP id z9mr2567447ebz.12.1212389998301; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 23:59:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 83.161.120.155 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 23:59:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <kwhite@example.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 23:59:58 -0700 From: "Henri Yandell" <kwhite@example.com> To: kwhite@example.com Subject: Re: Revising the IP Clearance Form (was: cut the crap) In-Reply-To: <kwhite@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <kwhite@example.com> <kwhite@example.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Noel J. Bergman <kwhite@example.com> wrote: > Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > >> i've committed a stripped down template and moved the prose into a >> guide. this guide is just copy ATM > > With all due and sincere respect to Roy, the current IP Clearance form was > done in conjunction with the Board. Over the past several years it has been > modified slightly by the current President, Chair, and at least one other > Director, so it is not some unknown quantity haphazardly slapped together. > Given that we now have a Legal Committee, any substantive revision of that > form should be run through them. > > This is not a comment on
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