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Hallo Apache User !


Auf meinem Server habe ich bis jetzt Apache2 mit mod-suphp genutzt
und möchte nun auf mod-fcgid umsteigen.

Gibt es eine Möglichkeit mod-fcgid so zu konfigurieren,
das man das gleiche Verhalten wie mod-suphp bekommt.
Ich möchte nicht in jeden VirtualHost SuexecUserGroup eintragen müssen,
sondern die PHP Skripte sollen auch, wie mit suphp, mit dem Nutzer/Gruppe
gestartet werden, dem die PHP Datei an sich gehört.


Vielen Dank.



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Hallo,
Ich habe einen Apache 2.2.11 Server und muss nun f=FCr eine Applikation den=
 relativen Pfad /data umleiten auf einen UNC Pfad \\server123\data  als Fre=
igabe. Geht sowas und wo und wie muss ich sowas definieren?

Gr=FC=DFe
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Hi Alex,
Alias[1]? Allerdings mu=DFt Du der Freigabe einem Laufwerksbuchstaben
zuordnen unter windows / unter Linux mu=DFt Du das mounten.
Wenn Du unter Windows den apache als service laufen l=E4=DFt, dann mu=DFt D=
u
dem service unter einem anderen Benutzer laufen lassen, der auf die
Netzwerkfreigabe Zugriff hat, denn der normale user unter dem die
Dienste laufen kann auf Netzlaufwerke nicht zugreifen.

Windows
Alias /data Z:/data
<Directory Z:/data>
Order allow,deny
Allow from all
</Directory>


Linux
Alias /data /media/data
<Directory /media/data>
Order allow,deny
Allow from all
</Directory>

http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_alias.html


Gru=DF
Mario

2010/4/13 Alexander Diedler <lopezlauren@example.net>:
> Hallo,
> Ich habe einen Apache 2.2.11 Server und muss nun f=FCr eine Applikation d=
en relativen Pfad /data umleiten auf einen UNC Pfad \\server123\data =A0als=
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>
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Hallo,
Apache l=E4uft aber als Dienst und es ist kein Benutzer am Server angemelde=
t. Dann sind die gemappten Laufwerke unter Windows Server auch nicht verf=
=FCgbar oder?

Gr=FC=DFe
Alexander


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Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. April 2010 13:32
An: lopezlauren@example.net
Betreff: Re: Apache virtuelles Verzeichnis UNC m=F6glich

Hi Alex,
Alias[1]? Allerdings mu=DFt Du der Freigabe einem Laufwerksbuchstaben
zuordnen unter windows / unter Linux mu=DFt Du das mounten.
Wenn Du unter Windows den apache als service laufen l=E4=DFt, dann mu=DFt D=
u
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Netzwerkfreigabe Zugriff hat, denn der normale user unter dem die
Dienste laufen kann auf Netzlaufwerke nicht zugreifen.

Windows
Alias /data Z:/data
<Directory Z:/data>
Order allow,deny
Allow from all
</Directory>


Linux
Alias /data /media/data
<Directory /media/data>
Order allow,deny
Allow from all
</Directory>

http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_alias.html


Gru=DF
Mario

2010/4/13 Alexander Diedler <lopezlauren@example.net>:
> Hallo,
> Ich habe einen Apache 2.2.11 Server und muss nun f=FCr eine Applikation d=
en relativen Pfad /data umleiten auf einen UNC Pfad \\server123\data =A0als=
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>
> Gr=FC=DFe
> Alex
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On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:13:59AM +0200, Alexander Diedler wrote:

> Apache läuft aber als Dienst und es ist kein Benutzer am Server
> angemeldet. Dann sind die gemappten Laufwerke unter Windows Server
> auch nicht verfügbar oder?

Ich verkneife mir mal gehässige Bemerkungen über Windows und verweise
auf
http://www.winfaq.de/faq_html/Content/tip1000/onlinefaq.php?h=tip1004.htm
:-)
Damit sollte sich auch ein "net use" bewerkstelligen lassen.

Rainer

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Am 15.04.2010 12:25, schrieb Rainer Sokoll:
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:13:59AM +0200, Alexander Diedler wrote:
>
>    
>> Apache läuft aber als Dienst und es ist kein Benutzer am Server
>> angemeldet. Dann sind die gemappten Laufwerke unter Windows Server
>> auch nicht verfügbar oder?
>>      
> Ich verkneife mir mal gehässige Bemerkungen über Windows und verweise
> auf
> http://www.winfaq.de/faq_html/Content/tip1000/onlinefaq.php?h=tip1004.htm
> :-)
> Damit sollte sich auch ein "net use" bewerkstelligen lassen.
>
> Rainer
"net use" beim Start wohl weniger, da die Netzwerkverbindungen unter 
Windows erst ziemlich spät nach dem Start erstellt werden. Da ist meist 
das Start-Script schon mit einer Fehlermeldung durch...

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On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:34:30PM +0200, Romana Boldt - Boldt Elektrotechnik wrote:

> "net use" beim Start wohl weniger, da die Netzwerkverbindungen unter
> Windows erst ziemlich spät nach dem Start erstellt werden. Da ist
> meist das Start-Script schon mit einer Fehlermeldung durch...

Man könnte doch den Apache-Dienst auf manuell stehen lassen und dann in
dem Skript via "net start" hochziehen, eben nach "net use"?
Aber krank ist das schon...

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>> "net use" beim Start wohl weniger, da die Netzwerkverbindungen unter
>> Windows erst ziemlich spät nach dem Start erstellt werden. Da ist
>> meist das Start-Script schon mit einer Fehlermeldung durch...
>>      
> Man könnte doch den Apache-Dienst auf manuell stehen lassen und dann in
> dem Skript via "net start" hochziehen, eben nach "net use"?
> Aber krank ist das schon...
>
> Rainer
... und eine ausreichend hohe Wartezeit vor net use und net start 
einbauen...

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Hi,

> Apache l=E4uft aber als Dienst und es ist kein Benutzer am Server angemel=
det. Dann sind die gemappten Laufwerke unter Windows Server auch nicht verf=
=FCgbar oder?

Den Dienst als anderen User laufen zulassen:
Doubleclick Dienste, dann: "Anmelden" und dann "Austausch mit dem
Desktop zulassen".

Bei mir habe ich das mit dem Dienst und dem Netzwerklaufwerk so
gel=F6st, dann sich automatisch ein user auf dem server anmeldet und
dann im Autostart der server gesperrt wird
(%windir%\system32\rundll32.exe user32.dll,LockWorkStation).
Somit kann der Dienst auf automatisch starten bleiben.


Mario

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On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 01:29:26PM +0200, Mario Brandt wrote:

> Den Dienst als anderen User laufen zulassen:
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> Desktop zulassen".

Ich glaube nicht, daß das eine gute Idee[tm] ist. Stichwort shatter
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> Ich glaube nicht, da=DF das eine gute Idee[tm] ist. Stichwort shatter
> attack.

Den Apache mit einem user laufen zu lassen, der nur wenig rechte hat
und nicht der normale service account ist, wird sogar von der Apache
software Foundation empfohlen.

Zu dem Netzlaufwerk ist mir noch etwas eingefallen, was auch Login gehen ka=
nn.

Du k=F6nntest es =FCber eine Gruppenrichtlinie l=F6sen:
"Computerkonfiguration/Windows-Einstellungen/Skripts", da unter
"Starten" eintragen und die GPO einem Computerkonto zuweisen. Dann
sollte das Skript nach dem Booten als System ausgef=FChrt werden.

Hoffe ich erinner mir richtig, ist bei mir schon etwas her ;-)

Mario

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On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:18:29PM +0200, Mario Brandt wrote:
> > Ich glaube nicht, daß das eine gute Idee[tm] ist. Stichwort shatter
> > attack.
> 
> Den Apache mit einem user laufen zu lassen, der nur wenig rechte hat
> und nicht der normale service account ist, wird sogar von der Apache
> software Foundation empfohlen.

Mir ging es um den Punkt "Austausch mit dem Desktop zulassen". Wenn ich
das Prinzip von shatter attacks richtig verstanden habe, würde der
Apache-Dienst völlig unkontrolliert Nachrichten an jedes GUI-Programm
senden können, auch an solche, die mit höheren Rechten (etwa als
Administrator) laufen.
Völlig unabhängig davon, mit welchen Rechten der Apache selber läuft.

Rainer

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