From tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net Mon Jan 05 19:03:20 2004 Return-Path: <tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 96375 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 19:03:20 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 19:03:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 74456 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jan 2004 19:03:10 -0000 Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 74440 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jan 2004 19:03:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact fostertiffany@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Subscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Help: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Id: "Tapestry development" <tapestry-dev.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 74403 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 19:03:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mindbridge) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 19:03:08 -0000 Received: from [83.161.120.155] (helo=mindbridge) by mindbridge with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id HR168Z-0001T0-00 for fostertiffany@example.net; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 21:02:59 +0200 Message-ID: <00ad01c3d3be$892312d0$0900a8c0@mindbridge> From: "Mindbridge" <fostertiffany@example.net> To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> Subject: Property initializers Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:02:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C3D3CF.4C348FF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C3D3CF.4C348FF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I am about to check in the docs and examples I was talking about, but = came across something interesting.=20 The properties defined in the component specifications via = <property-specification> can be initialized using the 'initial-value' = parameter. This parameter is an OGNL expression that (at the moment) is = evaluated once during the creation of the component, the value is = stored, and is later used as an initialization value whenever necessary. Shouldn't the 'initial-value' expression be evaluated every time it is = needed for initialization instead (if not invariant, of course)?=20 This latter approach allows a number of uses that the former one does = not (e.g. initializing to something that depends on the bindings), and = perhaps it is more natural to the users.=20 Should this be considered a bug? Should it be changed? (this is backward = compatible if the initial-value parameter is used as designed at the = moment).=20 -mb ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C3D3CF.4C348FF0-- From tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net Mon Jan 05 22:21:49 2004 Return-Path: <tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 93941 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 22:21:49 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 22:21:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 7790 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jan 2004 22:21:36 -0000 Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 7770 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jan 2004 22:21:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact fostertiffany@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Subscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Help: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Id: "Tapestry development" <tapestry-dev.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 7756 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 22:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc12.comcast.net) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 22:21:36 -0000 Received: from almightybeast (h0010b50ed00a.ne.client2.attbi.com[83.161.120.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004010522214201200ebf0ve> (Authid: hlship); Mon, 5 Jan 2004 22:21:42 +0000 From: "Howard M. Lewis Ship" <fostertiffany@example.net> To: "Tapestry-Dev" <fostertiffany@example.net> Subject: Advertising on user list? Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 17:21:38 -0500 Message-ID: <018b01c3d3da$49a30ea0$6501a8c0@ALMIGHTYBEAST> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N What is the general consensus about advertising on the tapestry-user list. With the end of the book effort in sight, I need to start drumming up business for myself. Is it a horrible abuse to post to the list advertising my services? More so than my blog? What about on the Tapestry web site? -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sandbox/hivemind/ http://javatapestry.blogspot.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net From tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net Mon Jan 05 22:36:51 2004 Return-Path: <tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 1026 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 22:36:51 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 22:36:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 27338 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jan 2004 22:36:36 -0000 Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 27204 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jan 2004 22:36:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact fostertiffany@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Subscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Help: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Id: "Tapestry development" <tapestry-dev.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 27135 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 22:36:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO legosoft.com.mx) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 22:36:34 -0000 Received: from HARPOKRATES (customer-148-233-147-133.uninet.net.mx [83.161.120.155] (may be forged)) by legosoft.com.mx (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i05MZqp21927 for <fostertiffany@example.net>; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:35:52 -0600 (CST) From: "David Solis" <fostertiffany@example.net> To: "'Tapestry development'" <fostertiffany@example.net> Subject: RE: Advertising on user list? Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:35:53 -0600 Message-ID: <001b01c3d3dc$481b2430$936804c8@HARPOKRATES> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <018b01c3d3da$49a30ea0$6501a8c0@ALMIGHTYBEAST> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-LegoSoft-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-LegoSoft-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N It is OK to me. I guess a link for consulting services on the tapestry web site would be fine. Regards D. > -----Original Message----- > From: Howard M. Lewis Ship [mailto:fostertiffany@example.net] > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 4:22 PM > To: Tapestry-Dev > Subject: Advertising on user list? > > What is the general consensus about advertising on the tapestry-user list. > With the end of the book > effort in sight, I need to start drumming up business for myself. Is it a > horrible abuse to post to > the list advertising my services? More so than my blog? What about on the > Tapestry web site? > > -- > Howard M. Lewis Ship > Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components > http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry > http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sandbox/hivemind/ > http://javatapestry.blogspot.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net > For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net From tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net Mon Jan 05 22:39:53 2004 Return-Path: <tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 2231 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 22:39:53 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 22:39:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 32327 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jan 2004 22:39:40 -0000 Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 32184 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jan 2004 22:39:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact fostertiffany@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Subscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Help: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Id: "Tapestry development" <tapestry-dev.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 32170 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 22:39:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.istop.com) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 22:39:39 -0000 Received: from turbonium (labserver.intelligentworks.com [83.161.120.155]) by smtp.istop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 584F536DDB for <fostertiffany@example.net>; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 17:39:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0b6a01c3d3dd$02bba170$2400a8c0@turbonium> From: "Geoff Longman" <fostertiffany@example.net> To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> References: <018b01c3d3da$49a30ea0$6501a8c0@ALMIGHTYBEAST> Subject: Re: Advertising on user list? Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 17:41:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N >Is it a horrible abuse to post to > the list advertising my services? Depends on how you do it. Spam-like is bad, but an occasional (one or two a month) "Check out the latest" message with a link to your blog would be ok by me. As for the tapestry homepage, you might want to bounce that off the jakarta/pmc/member list (whichever) since I don't think its in our perview to make these kind of changes in isolation. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard M. Lewis Ship" <fostertiffany@example.net> To: "Tapestry-Dev" <fostertiffany@example.net> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 5:21 PM Subject: Advertising on user list? > What is the general consensus about advertising on the tapestry-user list. With the end of the book > effort in sight, I need to start drumming up business for myself. More so than my blog? What about on the Tapestry web site? > > -- > Howard M. Lewis Ship > Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components > http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry > http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sandbox/hivemind/ > http://javatapestry.blogspot.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net > For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net From tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net Mon Jan 05 22:45:13 2004 Return-Path: <tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 4356 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 22:45:13 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 22:45:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 37620 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jan 2004 22:45:00 -0000 Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 37599 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jan 2004 22:44:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact fostertiffany@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Subscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Help: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Id: "Tapestry development" <tapestry-dev.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 37586 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 22:44:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.istop.com) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 22:44:59 -0000 Received: from turbonium (labserver.intelligentworks.com [83.161.120.155]) by smtp.istop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 88814372AB for <fostertiffany@example.net>; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 17:45:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0b7201c3d3dd$c21eafd0$2400a8c0@turbonium> From: "Geoff Longman" <fostertiffany@example.net> To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> Subject: [OT] Identity Theft sucks. Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 17:46:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N I got pinched. Some jerk-off in toronto used my name, dob, and sin (ssn for you yanks) number in June to obtain a cell phone. Now I have a collections agent on my case. Get your credit report on a regular basis! Although in this case it wouldna helped me as Bell Canada is too dumb to even check credit reports. I'm now up to my eyeballs in registered letters/police reports/etc. Geoff Geoffrey Longman Intelligent Works Inc. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net From tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net Mon Jan 05 22:49:53 2004 Return-Path: <tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 6667 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 22:49:53 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 22:49:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 42431 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jan 2004 22:49:38 -0000 Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 42411 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jan 2004 22:49:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact fostertiffany@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Subscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Help: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Id: "Tapestry development" <tapestry-dev.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 42394 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 22:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.brightspark.com) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 22:49:38 -0000 Received: from localhost (joshua [83.161.120.155]) by smtp.brightspark.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D37CB70051 for <fostertiffany@example.net>; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 17:59:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.brightspark.com ([83.161.120.155]) by localhost (joshua [83.161.120.155]) (amavisd-new, port 10029) with ESMTP id 31460-08 for <fostertiffany@example.net>; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 17:59:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailer.corp.bspark.com (gateway.brightspark.com [83.161.120.155]) by smtp.brightspark.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683327001D for <fostertiffany@example.net>; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 17:59:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from exis.com ([83.161.120.155]) by mailer.corp.bspark.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 5 Jan 2004 17:49:43 -0500 Message-ID: <fostertiffany@example.net> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 17:49:43 -0500 From: Colin Sampaleanu <fostertiffany@example.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tapestry development <fostertiffany@example.net> Subject: Re: Property initializers References: <00ad01c3d3be$892312d0$0900a8c0@mindbridge> In-Reply-To: <00ad01c3d3be$892312d0$0900a8c0@mindbridge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2004 22:49:43.0304 (UTC) FILETIME=[35AA0080:01C3D3DE] X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Personally, it surprised me the first time I figured out it only ran once. I would consider it a 'bug'... Mindbridge wrote: >Hi, > >I am about to check in the docs and examples I was talking about, but came across something interesting. > >The properties defined in the component specifications via <property-specification> can be initialized using the 'initial-value' parameter. This parameter is an OGNL expression that (at the moment) is evaluated once during the creation of the component, the value is stored, and is later used as an initialization value whenever necessary. > >Shouldn't the 'initial-value' expression be evaluated every time it is needed for initialization instead (if not invariant, of course)? > >This latter approach allows a number of uses that the former one does not (e.g. initializing to something that depends on the bindings), and perhaps it is more natural to the users. > >Should this be considered a bug? Should it be changed? (this is backward compatible if the initial-value parameter is used as designed at the moment). > >-mb > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net From tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net Mon Jan 05 23:07:43 2004 Return-Path: <tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 14197 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 23:07:42 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 23:07:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 64269 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jan 2004 23:07:29 -0000 Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 64252 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jan 2004 23:07:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact fostertiffany@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Subscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Help: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Id: "Tapestry development" <tapestry-dev.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 64239 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 23:07:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c000.snv.cp.net) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 23:07:28 -0000 Received: (cpmta 3191 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 15:07:35 -0800 Received: from 83.161.120.155 (HELO haysjxpport) by smtp.dang.com (83.161.120.155) with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 15:07:35 -0800 X-Sent: 5 Jan 2004 23:07:35 GMT Message-ID: <fostertiffany@example.net> From: "Jamie Orchard-Hays" <fostertiffany@example.net> To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> References: <0b7201c3d3dd$c21eafd0$2400a8c0@turbonium> Subject: Re: [OT] Identity Theft sucks. Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:06:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Oh, man! That sucks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Longman" <fostertiffany@example.net> To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 5:46 PM Subject: [OT] Identity Theft sucks. > I got pinched. Some jerk-off in toronto used my name, dob, and sin (ssn for > you yanks) number in June to obtain a cell phone. Now I have a collections > agent on my case. > > Get your credit report on a regular basis! Although in this case it wouldna > helped me as Bell Canada is too dumb to even check credit reports. > > I'm now up to my eyeballs in registered letters/police reports/etc. > > Geoff > > Geoffrey Longman > Intelligent Works Inc. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net > For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net From tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net Mon Jan 05 23:19:44 2004 Return-Path: <tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 17626 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 23:19:44 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 23:19:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 75564 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jan 2004 23:19:31 -0000 Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 75437 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jan 2004 23:19:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact fostertiffany@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Subscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Help: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Id: "Tapestry development" <tapestry-dev.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 75424 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 23:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c000.snv.cp.net) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 23:19:30 -0000 Received: (cpmta 4567 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 15:19:36 -0800 Received: from 83.161.120.155 (HELO ?83.161.120.155?) by smtp.hatcher.net (83.161.120.155) with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 15:19:36 -0800 X-Sent: 5 Jan 2004 23:19:36 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <018b01c3d3da$49a30ea0$6501a8c0@ALMIGHTYBEAST> References: <018b01c3d3da$49a30ea0$6501a8c0@ALMIGHTYBEAST> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <fostertiffany@example.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Erik Hatcher <fostertiffany@example.net> Subject: Re: Advertising on user list? Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:19:39 -0500 To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Jan 5, 2004, at 5:21 PM, Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote: > What is the general consensus about advertising on the tapestry-user > list. With the end of the book > effort in sight, I need to start drumming up business for myself. Is > it a horrible abuse to post to > the list advertising my services? More so than my blog? What about on > the Tapestry web site? Go for it. Be slightly subtle about. For example, sometimes I'll answer a question on the Ant user list by quoting "from page 27 of Java Development with Ant...." :) And absolutely no problem with putting "Consulting Services" on the Tapestry website. Heck, add eHatcher Solutions, Inc. to the list also :)) Erik --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net From tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net Tue Jan 06 01:40:08 2004 Return-Path: <tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 61440 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 01:40:08 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 01:40:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 92304 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jan 2004 01:39:52 -0000 Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 92159 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jan 2004 01:39:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact fostertiffany@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Subscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Help: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Id: "Tapestry development" <tapestry-dev.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 92145 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 01:39:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc13.comcast.net) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 01:39:51 -0000 Received: from comcast.net (pcp01252093pcs.hamden01.ct.comcast.net[83.161.120.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004010601395801600fqhcne> (Authid: hkrishnaswamy); Tue, 6 Jan 2004 01:39:59 +0000 Message-ID: <fostertiffany@example.net> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 20:39:37 -0500 From: Harish Krishnaswamy <fostertiffany@example.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tapestry development <fostertiffany@example.net> Subject: Re: Advertising on user list? References: <018b01c3d3da$49a30ea0$6501a8c0@ALMIGHTYBEAST> <0b6a01c3d3dd$02bba170$2400a8c0@turbonium> In-Reply-To: <0b6a01c3d3dd$02bba170$2400a8c0@turbonium> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Geoff Longman wrote: >>Is it a horrible abuse to post to >>the list advertising my services? > > > Depends on how you do it. Spam-like is bad, but > an occasional (one or two a month) "Check out the latest" message with a > link to your blog would be ok by me. Tapestry actually has the lowest noise as far as I have seen, I suppose it could use some ;) > > As for the tapestry homepage, you might want to bounce that off the > jakarta/pmc/member list (whichever) since I don't think its in our perview > to make these kind of changes in isolation. > +1 I remember having seen some mails floating around complaining about advertising on the website. -Harish > Geoff > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Howard M. Lewis Ship" <fostertiffany@example.net> > To: "Tapestry-Dev" <fostertiffany@example.net> > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 5:21 PM > Subject: Advertising on user list? > > > >>What is the general consensus about advertising on the tapestry-user list. > > With the end of the book > >>effort in sight, I need to start drumming up business for myself. More so > > than my blog? What about on the Tapestry web site? > >>-- >>Howard M. Lewis Ship >>Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components >>http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry >>http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sandbox/hivemind/ >>http://javatapestry.blogspot.com >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net >>For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net > For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net From tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net Tue Jan 06 01:46:07 2004 Return-Path: <tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 63787 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 01:46:07 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 01:46:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 95844 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jan 2004 01:45:51 -0000 Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 95827 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jan 2004 01:45:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact fostertiffany@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Subscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Help: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Id: "Tapestry development" <tapestry-dev.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 95814 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 01:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 01:45:50 -0000 Received: from comcast.net (pcp01252093pcs.hamden01.ct.comcast.net[83.161.120.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20040106014558011006ic4qe> (Authid: hkrishnaswamy); Tue, 6 Jan 2004 01:45:58 +0000 Message-ID: <fostertiffany@example.net> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 20:45:41 -0500 From: Harish Krishnaswamy <fostertiffany@example.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tapestry development <fostertiffany@example.net> Subject: Re: [OT] Identity Theft sucks. References: <0b7201c3d3dd$c21eafd0$2400a8c0@turbonium> In-Reply-To: <0b7201c3d3dd$c21eafd0$2400a8c0@turbonium> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N That is really scary :-o Geoff Longman wrote: > I got pinched. Some jerk-off in toronto used my name, dob, and sin (ssn for > you yanks) number in June to obtain a cell phone. Now I have a collections > agent on my case. > > Get your credit report on a regular basis! Although in this case it wouldna > helped me as Bell Canada is too dumb to even check credit reports. > > I'm now up to my eyeballs in registered letters/police reports/etc. > > Geoff > > Geoffrey Longman > Intelligent Works Inc. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net > For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net From tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net Tue Jan 06 05:26:28 2004 Return-Path: <tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 48480 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 05:26:27 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 05:26:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 40093 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jan 2004 05:26:07 -0000 Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 40071 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jan 2004 05:26:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact fostertiffany@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Subscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Help: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Id: "Tapestry development" <tapestry-dev.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 40058 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jan 2004 05:26:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 40055 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 05:26:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO minotaur.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 05:26:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 48473 invoked by uid 1644); 6 Jan 2004 05:26:26 -0000 Date: 6 Jan 2004 05:26:26 -0000 Message-ID: <fostertiffany@example.net> From: fostertiffany@example.net To: fostertiffany@example.net Subject: cvs commit: jakarta-tapestry/framework/src/org/apache/tapestry/enhance JavaClassMapping.java X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N dsolis 2004/01/05 21:26:26 Modified: framework/src/org/apache/tapestry/enhance JavaClassMapping.java Log: Fix byte[] mapping. Revision Changes Path 1.2 +2 -2 jakarta-tapestry/framework/src/org/apache/tapestry/enhance/JavaClassMapping.java Index: JavaClassMapping.java =================================================================== RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-tapestry/framework/src/org/apache/tapestry/enhance/JavaClassMapping.java,v retrieving revision 1.1 retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.1 -r1.2 --- JavaClassMapping.java 21 Jun 2003 19:47:24 -0000 1.1 +++ JavaClassMapping.java 6 Jan 2004 05:26:26 -0000 1.2 @@ -97,7 +97,7 @@ recordType("char[]", char[].class); recordType("byte", byte.class); - recordType("byte[]", byte.class); + recordType("byte[]", byte[].class); recordType("java.lang.Object", Object.class); recordType("java.lang.Object[]", Object[].class); --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net From tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net Tue Jan 06 08:15:15 2004 Return-Path: <tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 13574 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 08:15:15 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 08:15:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 43453 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jan 2004 08:14:51 -0000 Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 43432 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jan 2004 08:14:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact fostertiffany@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Subscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Help: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Id: "Tapestry development" <tapestry-dev.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 43419 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 08:14:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.iinet.net.au) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 08:14:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 31711 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 08:15:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mouse.iinet.net.au) (83.161.120.155) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 08:15:00 -0000 Message-Id: <fostertiffany@example.net> X-Sender: fostertiffany@example.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 83.161.120.155 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 19:14:57 +1100 To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> From: Glen Stampoultzis <fostertiffany@example.net> Subject: Re: Advertising on user list? In-Reply-To: <018b01c3d3da$49a30ea0$6501a8c0@ALMIGHTYBEAST> References: <018b01c3d3da$49a30ea0$6501a8c0@ALMIGHTYBEAST> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_30329890==.ALT" X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N --=====================_30329890==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed A subtle way to do it would be to just stick the advertising in your signature when you answer questions. Seen plenty of people doing that. At 09:21 AM 6/01/2004, you wrote: >What is the general consensus about advertising on the tapestry-user >list. With the end of the book >effort in sight, I need to start drumming up business for myself. Is it a >horrible abuse to post to >the list advertising my services? More so than my blog? What about on the >Tapestry web site? --=====================_30329890==.ALT-- From tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net Tue Jan 06 09:01:10 2004 Return-Path: <tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 36823 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 09:01:10 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 09:01:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 76412 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jan 2004 09:00:46 -0000 Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 76263 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jan 2004 09:00:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact fostertiffany@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Subscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Help: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Id: "Tapestry development" <tapestry-dev.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 76249 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 09:00:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO miss-sneaky.slc.co.uk) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 09:00:45 -0000 Received: from emerald.slc.co.uk (unverified) by miss-sneaky.slc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id <fostertiffany@example.net> for <fostertiffany@example.net>; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:00:56 +0000 Subject: Re: Advertising on user list? To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.10 March 22, 2002 Message-ID: <fostertiffany@example.net> From: Danny Angus <fostertiffany@example.net> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:00:56 +0000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Emerald/SLC(601CF1HF69 | May 28, 2003) at 06/01/2004 09:00:57 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > What is the general consensus about advertising on the tapestry-user list. With the end of the book > effort in sight, I need to start drumming up business for myself. Is it a horrible abuse to post to > the list advertising my services? More so than my blog? What about on the Tapestry web site? My 2c says it (posting to the lists) is ok in strict moderation, and better as announcements and requests for feedback (like Geoff's spindle messages) than plain old trumpet blowing. The website is AOK, as long as you give some space to others who might ask for a similar facility, look at the Jakarta "Vendor support" page, or News, for a role model.. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/vendors.html && http://jakarta.apache.org/index.html. Of course you could follow it up with a News item on Tapestry site and Jakarta News from elsewhere ... http://jakarta.apache.org/site/elsewhere.html (with a headline on the front page), but a polite note to General@ or PMC@ would probably be in order, as you're less likely to provoke a negative response if it isn't a big suprise to folks. d. *************************************************************************** The information in this e-mail is confidential and for use by the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient (or responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient) please notify us immediately on 0141 306 2050 and delete the message from your computer. 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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 07:54:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > > A subtle way to do it would be to just stick the advertising in your > signature when you answer questions. Seen plenty of people doing that. > That's a good idea. Geoff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net From tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net Tue Jan 06 12:55:31 2004 Return-Path: <tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 24010 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 12:55:31 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 12:55:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 90777 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jan 2004 12:55:29 -0000 Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 90631 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jan 2004 12:55:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact fostertiffany@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Subscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Help: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Id: "Tapestry development" <tapestry-dev.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 90617 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 12:55:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.istop.com) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 12:55:28 -0000 Received: from turbonium (labserver.intelligentworks.com [83.161.120.155]) by smtp.istop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F97D373FA for <fostertiffany@example.net>; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 07:55:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0bdf01c3d454$8eeeec70$2400a8c0@turbonium> From: "Geoff Longman" <fostertiffany@example.net> To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> References: <0b7201c3d3dd$c21eafd0$2400a8c0@turbonium> <fostertiffany@example.net> Subject: Re: [OT] Identity Theft sucks. Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 07:56:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N After the inital scare the reality of the massive administartive burdon sets in. Could be weeks (months? gulp.) before everything is cleared up. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harish Krishnaswamy" <fostertiffany@example.net> To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Identity Theft sucks. > That is really scary :-o > > > > Geoff Longman wrote: > > > I got pinched. Some jerk-off in toronto used my name, dob, and sin (ssn for > > you yanks) number in June to obtain a cell phone. Now I have a collections > > agent on my case. > > > > Get your credit report on a regular basis! Although in this case it wouldna > > helped me as Bell Canada is too dumb to even check credit reports. > > > > I'm now up to my eyeballs in registered letters/police reports/etc. > > > > Geoff > > > > Geoffrey Longman > > Intelligent Works Inc. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net > > For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net > For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net From tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net Tue Jan 06 14:32:48 2004 Return-Path: <tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 72690 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 14:32:47 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 14:32:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 16601 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jan 2004 14:32:44 -0000 Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 16580 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jan 2004 14:32:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact fostertiffany@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Subscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Help: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Id: "Tapestry development" <tapestry-dev.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 16566 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 14:32:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc12.comcast.net) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 14:32:43 -0000 Received: from almightybeast (h0010b50ed00a.ne.client2.attbi.com[83.161.120.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004010614324401200hq29pe> (Authid: hlship); Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:32:44 +0000 From: "Howard M. Lewis Ship" <fostertiffany@example.net> To: "'Tapestry development'" <fostertiffany@example.net> Subject: RE: Advertising on user list? Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:32:39 -0500 Message-ID: <01e201c3d461$efbf3e30$6501a8c0@ALMIGHTYBEAST> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <0bd901c3d454$3dfba830$2400a8c0@turbonium> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N That's probably the best idea for now; I need to get a business home page set up. End in is sight for the book! -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry/ http://javatapestry.blogspot.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Geoff Longman [mailto:fostertiffany@example.net] > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 7:55 AM > To: Tapestry development > Subject: Re: Advertising on user list? > > > > > > > > A subtle way to do it would be to just stick the > advertising in your > > signature when you answer questions. Seen plenty of people > doing that. > > > > That's a good idea. > > Geoff > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net > For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net From tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net Tue Jan 06 16:25:36 2004 Return-Path: <tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 31660 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 16:25:36 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 16:25:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 43963 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jan 2004 16:25:21 -0000 Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 43945 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jan 2004 16:25:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact fostertiffany@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Subscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Help: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Id: "Tapestry development" <tapestry-dev.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 43890 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 16:25:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc13.comcast.net) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 16:25:21 -0000 Received: from comcast.net (h-210.715.5802.nycmny83.covad.net[83.161.120.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004010616252301600ar10me> (Authid: hkrishnaswamy); Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:25:23 +0000 Message-ID: <fostertiffany@example.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 11:25:01 -0500 From: Harish Krishnaswamy <fostertiffany@example.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 'Tapestry development' <fostertiffany@example.net> Subject: Unexpected attribute values on hidden fields Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Hi, I have an unencoded Hidden component that gets rendered with an attribute value of "value" when the actual parameter value is null. I see AbstractMarkupWriter writes the name of the attribute as its value if the actual value is null. Why is this so? Every time I use these Hidden components I have to explicitely set the value to an empty string which is a little awkward. -Harish --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net From tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net Tue Jan 06 17:46:39 2004 Return-Path: <tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 74377 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 17:46:39 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 17:46:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 70521 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jan 2004 17:46:32 -0000 Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 70381 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jan 2004 17:46:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact fostertiffany@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Subscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Help: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Id: "Tapestry development" <tapestry-dev.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 70368 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 17:46:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc12.comcast.net) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 17:46:30 -0000 Received: from almightybeast (h0010b50ed00a.ne.client2.attbi.com[83.161.120.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20040106174634012006jh42e> (Authid: hlship); Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:46:34 +0000 From: "Howard M. Lewis Ship" <fostertiffany@example.net> To: "'Tapestry development'" <fostertiffany@example.net> Subject: RE: Unexpected attribute values on hidden fields Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 12:46:28 -0500 Message-ID: <01e601c3d47d$034db290$6501a8c0@ALMIGHTYBEAST> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <fostertiffany@example.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N It's to handle things like <input type="radio" selected="selected"/> (i.e. XHTML conformance). -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry/ http://javatapestry.blogspot.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Harish Krishnaswamy [mailto:fostertiffany@example.net] > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 11:25 AM > To: 'Tapestry development' > Subject: Unexpected attribute values on hidden fields > > > Hi, > > I have an unencoded Hidden component that gets rendered with > an attribute value of "value" when the > actual parameter value is null. I see AbstractMarkupWriter > writes the name of the attribute as its > value if the actual value is null. Why is this so? Every time > I use these Hidden components I have > to explicitely set the value to an empty string which is a > little awkward. > > -Harish > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net > For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net From tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net Tue Jan 06 18:12:29 2004 Return-Path: <tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 92291 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 18:12:29 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 18:12:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 10846 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jan 2004 18:12:20 -0000 Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 10830 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jan 2004 18:12:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact fostertiffany@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Subscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Help: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Id: "Tapestry development" <tapestry-dev.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 10816 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 18:12:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc12.comcast.net) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 18:12:20 -0000 Received: from comcast.net (h-210.715.5802.nycmny83.covad.net[83.161.120.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20040106181220012006jq2ve> (Authid: hkrishnaswamy); Tue, 6 Jan 2004 18:12:20 +0000 Message-ID: <fostertiffany@example.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 13:11:56 -0500 From: Harish Krishnaswamy <fostertiffany@example.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tapestry development <fostertiffany@example.net> Subject: Re: Unexpected attribute values on hidden fields References: <01e601c3d47d$034db290$6501a8c0@ALMIGHTYBEAST> In-Reply-To: <01e601c3d47d$034db290$6501a8c0@ALMIGHTYBEAST> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Wouldn't it be better to have the components pass the value they want rendered rather than having the writer assume the value? Its not a big deal, but its a little counter intuitive. -Harish Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote: > It's to handle things like <input type="radio" selected="selected"/> (i.e. XHTML conformance). > > -- > Howard M. Lewis Ship > Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant > Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components > http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry/ > http://javatapestry.blogspot.com > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Harish Krishnaswamy [mailto:fostertiffany@example.net] >>Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 11:25 AM >>To: 'Tapestry development' >>Subject: Unexpected attribute values on hidden fields >> >> >>Hi, >> >>I have an unencoded Hidden component that gets rendered with >>an attribute value of "value" when the >>actual parameter value is null. I see AbstractMarkupWriter >>writes the name of the attribute as its >>value if the actual value is null. Why is this so? Every time >>I use these Hidden components I have >>to explicitely set the value to an empty string which is a >>little awkward. >> >>-Harish >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net >>For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net > For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net From tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net Tue Jan 06 18:38:11 2004 Return-Path: <tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 5043 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 18:38:11 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 18:38:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 54422 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jan 2004 18:38:02 -0000 Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 54400 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jan 2004 18:38:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact fostertiffany@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Subscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Help: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Id: "Tapestry development" <tapestry-dev.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 54290 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 18:38:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mindbridge) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 18:38:00 -0000 Received: from [83.161.120.155] (helo=mindbridge) by mindbridge with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id HR2ZR2-0001M0-00 for fostertiffany@example.net; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 20:37:50 +0200 Message-ID: <010f01c3d484$30678c90$0900a8c0@mindbridge> From: "Mindbridge" <fostertiffany@example.net> To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> References: <00ad01c3d3be$892312d0$0900a8c0@mindbridge> <fostertiffany@example.net> Subject: Re: Property initializers Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 20:37:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Hi guys, Is there a -1 vote on this? I would normally hold off until the release, but I think this is a too major problem to wait. I have the code and an additional unit test ready, just need to check it in if there are no objections. -mb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Sampaleanu" <fostertiffany@example.net> To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 12:49 AM Subject: Re: Property initializers > Personally, it surprised me the first time I figured out it only ran > once. I would consider it a 'bug'... > > Mindbridge wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >I am about to check in the docs and examples I was talking about, but came across something interesting. > > > >The properties defined in the component specifications via <property-specification> can be initialized using the 'initial-value' parameter. This parameter is an OGNL expression that (at the moment) is evaluated once during the creation of the component, the value is stored, and is later used as an initialization value whenever necessary. > > > >Shouldn't the 'initial-value' expression be evaluated every time it is needed for initialization instead (if not invariant, of course)? > > > >This latter approach allows a number of uses that the former one does not (e.g. initializing to something that depends on the bindings), and perhaps it is more natural to the users. > > > >Should this be considered a bug? Should it be changed? (this is backward compatible if the initial-value parameter is used as designed at the moment). > > > >-mb > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net > For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net From tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net Tue Jan 06 18:47:56 2004 Return-Path: <tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 8718 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 18:47:56 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 18:47:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 65637 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jan 2004 18:47:48 -0000 Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 65488 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jan 2004 18:47:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact fostertiffany@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Subscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Help: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Id: "Tapestry development" <tapestry-dev.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 65475 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 18:47:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.istop.com) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 18:47:47 -0000 Received: from turbonium (labserver.intelligentworks.com [83.161.120.155]) by smtp.istop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CD1AB36EF6 for <fostertiffany@example.net>; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 13:47:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0cfe01c3d485$c87697a0$2400a8c0@turbonium> From: "Geoff Longman" <fostertiffany@example.net> To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> References: <00ad01c3d3be$892312d0$0900a8c0@mindbridge> <fostertiffany@example.net> <010f01c3d484$30678c90$0900a8c0@mindbridge> Subject: Re: Property initializers Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 13:49:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N +0 Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mindbridge" <fostertiffany@example.net> To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 1:37 PM Subject: Re: Property initializers > Hi guys, > > Is there a -1 vote on this? > > I would normally hold off until the release, but I think this is a too major > problem to wait. > I have the code and an additional unit test ready, just need to check it in > if there are no objections. > > -mb > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin Sampaleanu" <fostertiffany@example.net> > To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 12:49 AM > Subject: Re: Property initializers > > > > Personally, it surprised me the first time I figured out it only ran > > once. I would consider it a 'bug'... > > > > Mindbridge wrote: > > > > >Hi, > > > > > >I am about to check in the docs and examples I was talking about, but > came across something interesting. > > > > > >The properties defined in the component specifications via > <property-specification> can be initialized using the 'initial-value' > parameter. This parameter is an OGNL expression that (at the moment) is > evaluated once during the creation of the component, the value is stored, > and is later used as an initialization value whenever necessary. > > > > > >Shouldn't the 'initial-value' expression be evaluated every time it is > needed for initialization instead (if not invariant, of course)? > > > > > >This latter approach allows a number of uses that the former one does not > (e.g. initializing to something that depends on the bindings), and perhaps > it is more natural to the users. > > > > > >Should this be considered a bug? Should it be changed? (this is backward > compatible if the initial-value parameter is used as designed at the > moment). > > > > > >-mb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net > > For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net > For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net For additional commands, e-mail: fostertiffany@example.net From tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net Tue Jan 06 19:33:40 2004 Return-Path: <tapestry-dev-returnfostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 32466 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 19:33:40 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 19:33:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 50575 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jan 2004 19:33:22 -0000 Delivered-To: fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 50538 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jan 2004 19:33:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact fostertiffany@example.net; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Subscribe: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Help: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Post: <mailto:fostertiffany@example.net> List-Id: "Tapestry development" <tapestry-dev.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> Delivered-To: mailing list fostertiffany@example.net Received: (qmail 50484 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 19:33:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc12.comcast.net) (83.161.120.155) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 19:33:21 -0000 Received: from almightybeast (h0010b50ed00a.ne.client2.attbi.com[83.161.120.155]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20040106193325012006i7l8e> (Authid: hlship); Tue, 6 Jan 2004 19:33:25 +0000 From: "Howard M. Lewis Ship" <fostertiffany@example.net> To: "'Tapestry development'" <fostertiffany@example.net> Subject: RE: Property initializers Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:33:20 -0500 Message-ID: <01f401c3d48b$f0d1a680$6501a8c0@ALMIGHTYBEAST> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <010f01c3d484$30678c90$0900a8c0@mindbridge> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N I'm ok with it. I suspect the current design was more related to premature optimization than to any real architectural concern. -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry/ http://javatapestry.blogspot.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Mindbridge [mailto:fostertiffany@example.net] > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 1:38 PM > To: Tapestry development > Subject: Re: Property initializers > > > Hi guys, > > Is there a -1 vote on this? > > I would normally hold off until the release, but I think this > is a too major > problem to wait. > I have the code and an additional unit test ready, just need > to check it in > if there are no objections. > > -mb > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin Sampaleanu" <fostertiffany@example.net> > To: "Tapestry development" <fostertiffany@example.net> > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 12:49 AM > Subject: Re: Property initializers > > > > Personally, it surprised me the first time I figured out it only ran > > once. I would consider it a 'bug'... > > > > Mindbridge wrote: > > > > >Hi, > > > > > >I am about to check in the docs and examples I was talking > about, but > came across something interesting. > > > > > >The properties defined in the component specifications via > <property-specification> can be initialized using the 'initial-value' > parameter. This parameter is an OGNL expression
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