From legaljbarnett@example.com Wed Oct 01 03:11:15 2008 Return-Path: <legaljbarnett@example.com> Delivered-To: jbarnett@example.com Received: (qmail 50671 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2008 03:11:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 03:11:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 34239 invoked by uid 500); 1 Oct 2008 03:11:09 -0000 Delivered-To: jbarnett@example.com Received: (qmail 34009 invoked by uid 500); 1 Oct 2008 03:11:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact jbarnett@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:jbarnett@example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:jbarnett@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:jbarnett@example.com> Reply-To: jbarnett@example.com List-Id: <legal-discuss.apache.org> Delivered-To: mailing list jbarnett@example.com Received: (qmail 34000 invoked by uid 99); 1 Oct 2008 03:11:08 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:11:08 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2000.0 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO eris.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 03:10:15 +0000 Received: by eris.apache.org (Postfix, from userid 65534) id AB2DD2388A08; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: svn commit: r700665 - in /infrastructure/site/trunk: docs/licenses/index.html xdocs/licenses/index.xml Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 03:10:49 -0000 To: jbarnett@example.com From: jbarnett@example.com X-Mailer: svnmailer-1.0.8 Message-Id: <jbarnett@example.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Author: crossley Date: Tue Sep 30 20:10:48 2008 New Revision: 700665 URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=700665&view=rev Log: The term "SGA" is used in the Incubator, but not defined. Modified: infrastructure/site/trunk/docs/licenses/index.html infrastructure/site/trunk/xdocs/licenses/index.xml Modified: infrastructure/site/trunk/docs/licenses/index.html URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/infrastructure/site/trunk/docs/licenses/index.html?rev=700665&r1=700664&r2=700665&view=diff ============================================================================== --- infrastructure/site/trunk/docs/licenses/index.html (original) +++ infrastructure/site/trunk/docs/licenses/index.html Tue Sep 30 20:10:48 2008 @@ -200,8 +200,8 @@ <p> When an individual or corporation decides to donate a body of existing software or documentation to one of the Apache projects, they need to -execute a formal <a href="software-grant.txt">Software Grant</a> -agreement with the ASF. Typically, this is done after negotiating +execute a formal <a href="software-grant.txt">Software Grant Agreement</a> +(SGA) with the ASF. Typically, this is done after negotiating approval with the ASF <a href="http://incubator.apache.org/">Incubator</a> or one of the PMCs, since the ASF will not accept software unless there is a viable community available to support a collaborative project. Modified: infrastructure/site/trunk/xdocs/licenses/index.xml URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/infrastructure/site/trunk/xdocs/licenses/index.xml?rev=700665&r1=700664&r2=700665&view=diff ============================================================================== --- infrastructure/site/trunk/xdocs/licenses/index.xml (original) +++ infrastructure/site/trunk/xdocs/licenses/index.xml Tue Sep 30 20:10:48 2008 @@ -147,8 +147,8 @@ <p> When an individual or corporation decides to donate a body of existing software or documentation to one of the Apache projects, they need to -execute a formal <a href="software-grant.txt">Software Grant</a> -agreement with the ASF. Typically, this is done after negotiating +execute a formal <a href="software-grant.txt">Software Grant Agreement</a> +(SGA) with the ASF. Typically, this is done after negotiating approval with the ASF <a href="http://incubator.apache.org/">Incubator</a> or one of the PMCs, since the ASF will not accept software unless there is a viable community available to support a collaborative project. --------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER: Discussions on this list are informational and educational only. Statements made on this list are not privileged, do not constitute legal advice, and do not necessarily reflect the opinions and policies of the ASF. 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Ensure you are doing this when including these works. Note, this list is colloquially known Modified: infrastructure/site/trunk/xdocs/legal/resolved.xml URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/infrastructure/site/trunk/xdocs/legal/resolved.xml?rev=701950&r1=701949&r2=701950&view=diff ============================================================================== --- infrastructure/site/trunk/xdocs/legal/resolved.xml (original) +++ infrastructure/site/trunk/xdocs/legal/resolved.xml Sun Oct 5 22:48:27 2008 @@ -61,6 +61,7 @@ <li><a href="http://www.opensource.org/licenses/ms-pl.html">Microsoft Public License (MsPL)</a></li> <li><a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/">Creative Commons Attribution (CC-A)</a></li> <li><a href="http://www.opensource.org/licenses/PythonSoftFoundation.php">Python Software Foundation License</a></li> + <li><a href="http://www.adobe.com/devnet/font/#pcfi">Adobe Postcript(R) AFM files</a></li> </ul> <p>Many of these licenses have specific attribution terms that need to be adhered to, for example CC-A, often by adding --------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER: Discussions on this list are informational and educational only. 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See <http://www.apache.org/licenses/> for official ASF policies and documents. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: jbarnett@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: jbarnett@example.com From legaljbarnett@example.com Mon Oct 06 05:50:37 2008 Return-Path: <legaljbarnett@example.com> Delivered-To: jbarnett@example.com Received: (qmail 34318 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2008 05:50:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 05:50:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 27795 invoked by uid 500); 6 Oct 2008 05:50:34 -0000 Delivered-To: jbarnett@example.com Received: (qmail 27571 invoked by uid 500); 6 Oct 2008 05:50:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact jbarnett@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:jbarnett@example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:jbarnett@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:jbarnett@example.com> Reply-To: jbarnett@example.com List-Id: <legal-discuss.apache.org> Delivered-To: mailing list jbarnett@example.com Received: (qmail 27562 invoked by uid 99); 6 Oct 2008 05:50:33 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:50:33 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1999.9 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DNS_FROM_SECURITYSAGE X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO brutus.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 05:49:38 +0000 Received: from brutus (localhost [83.161.120.155]) by brutus.apache.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53397234C211 for <jbarnett@example.com>; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 22:49:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <846078582.1223272184339.JavaMail.jira@brutus> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 22:49:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Henri Yandell (JIRA)" <jbarnett@example.com> To: jbarnett@example.com Subject: [jira] Closed: (LEGAL-35) PDF core font metrics from Adobe In-Reply-To: <601689484.1221777764460.JavaMail.jira@brutus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-35?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Henri Yandell closed LEGAL-35. ------------------------------ Resolution: Fixed No other comments - so adding this to the Category A list. > PDF core font metrics from Adobe > -------------------------------- > > Key: LEGAL-35 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-35 > Project: Legal Discuss > Issue Type: Question > Reporter: Jukka Zitting > > The incubating Apache PDFBox includes AFM font metrics files for the core PDF fonts. The files are available from http://www.adobe.com/devnet/font/#pcfi and come with a file containing the following license. > This file and the 14 PostScript(R) AFM files it accompanies may be used, > copied, and distributed for any purpose and without charge, with or without > modification, provided that all copyright notices are retained; that the > AFM files are not distributed without this file; that all modifications > to this file or any of the AFM files are prominently noted in the modified > file(s); and that this paragraph is not modified. Adobe Systems has no > responsibility or obligation to support the use of the AFM files. > I believe this is consistent with Apache policies and that we can redistribute these files. 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All Rights Reserved. Patents Pending NOTICE: All information contained herein is the property of Adobe Systems Incorporated. Permission is granted for redistribution of this file provided this copyright notice is maintained intact and that the contents of this file are not altered in any way from its original form. PostScript and Display PostScript are trademarks of Adobe Systems Incorporated which may be registered in certain jurisdictions. ************ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36 While it's not very open source, it does perfectly fit our category B definition of "attribution + no modification". Hen --------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER: Discussions on this list are informational and educational only. Statements made on this list are not privileged, do not constitute legal advice, and do not necessarily reflect the opinions and policies of the ASF. 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My naive read is that I can redistribute this file, but can I compile/use/perform? What about those pending patents? geir On Oct 6, 2008, at 2:26 AM, Henri Yandell wrote: > Thoughts on CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts as a Category B license: > > ********* > Copyright 1990-2001 Adobe Systems Incorporated. > All Rights Reserved. > > Patents Pending > > NOTICE: All information contained herein is the property > of Adobe Systems Incorporated. > > Permission is granted for redistribution of this file > provided this copyright notice is maintained intact and > that the contents of this file are not altered in any > way from its original form. > > PostScript and Display PostScript are trademarks of > Adobe Systems Incorporated which may be registered in > certain jurisdictions. > ************ > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36 > > While it's not very open source, it does perfectly fit our category B > definition of "attribution + no modification". > > Hen > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > DISCLAIMER: Discussions on this list are informational and educational > only. 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Also no idea on whether 'use' is needed for us wrt patents. 2/ Afaik - people don't have to say 'use'. It's not one of the copyright pillars (again... afaik...). From our own license: reproduce, prepare Derivative Works of, publicly display, publicly perform, sublicense, and distribute So we have: distribute: Yes prepare Deriv: No and nothing stated for the others. So that's a question - do we require the others be Yes to distribute or are they just considered niceties. My Cat B suggestion is saying that all we need to distribute something is permission to distribute. Hen On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 2:34 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. <jbarnett@example.com> wrote: > What about the very prominent "Patents Pending"? My naive read is that I > can redistribute this file, but can I compile/use/perform? What about those > pending patents? > > geir > > > > On Oct 6, 2008, at 2:26 AM, Henri Yandell wrote: > >> Thoughts on CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts as a Category B license: >> >> ********* >> Copyright 1990-2001 Adobe Systems Incorporated. >> All Rights Reserved. >> >> Patents Pending >> >> NOTICE: All information contained herein is the property >> of Adobe Systems Incorporated. >> >> Permission is granted for redistribution of this file >> provided this copyright notice is maintained intact and >> that the contents of this file are not altered in any >> way from its original form. >> >> PostScript and Display PostScript are trademarks of >> Adobe Systems Incorporated which may be registered in >> certain jurisdictions. >> ************ >> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-36 >> >> While it's not very open source, it does perfectly fit our category B >> definition of "attribution + no modification". >> >> Hen >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> DISCLAIMER: Discussions on this list are informational and educational >> only. 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See <http://www.apache.org/licenses/> for official ASF policies and documents. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: jbarnett@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: jbarnett@example.com From legaljbarnett@example.com Mon Oct 06 21:23:31 2008 Return-Path: <legaljbarnett@example.com> Delivered-To: jbarnett@example.com Received: (qmail 99290 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2008 21:23:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 21:23:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 75147 invoked by uid 500); 6 Oct 2008 21:23:27 -0000 Delivered-To: jbarnett@example.com Received: (qmail 74912 invoked by uid 500); 6 Oct 2008 21:23:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact jbarnett@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:jbarnett@example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:jbarnett@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:jbarnett@example.com> Reply-To: jbarnett@example.com List-Id: <legal-discuss.apache.org> Delivered-To: mailing list jbarnett@example.com Received: (qmail 74903 invoked by uid 99); 6 Oct 2008 21:23:26 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:23:26 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=10.0 tests=DNS_FROM_SECURITYSAGE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of jbarnett@example.com designates 83.161.120.155 as permitted sender) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:22:24 +0000 Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so553769yxb.59 for <jbarnett@example.com>; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:22:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=YWsoOnp+JLehUt/aBQpNAMGFbo4KnfVbVepYobY4InE=; b=RvE8Wxbr8DxG2WWhyA+LvzzBadcPqVvfEWMnpQ74jinFOfxCKZVX7HIohLEyAb9pGm wWkYUzgYxN0BL/yl0m4WeMabCSSIoZtP1BJBxjA/axjgCpL/OLMggdhUZqxBwIzhHyJY kTWdP/TZcxx9NX6rt5fIMdETRQze/bmSWr6nY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=E6Md94B4uDXhAaZOpur00YQp2rQt1S2pQ8NtQQKrA9CtCbPRemNM/5niHD2ls6X0lQ uQR2GRIG0Ltm5JK6qyJAYmqf/T2cQRmkAxwhOI/5YCW1CEEJeV3dj193mVp/Ck/JVGxa d5wqeXfzVIzUipnoJ6IjBa3QhB33wQ9f+11sA= Received: by 83.161.120.155 with SMTP id r7mr6345695aga.16.1223328169726; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 83.161.120.155 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <jbarnett@example.com> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 23:22:49 +0200 From: "Jukka Zitting" <jbarnett@example.com> To: jbarnett@example.com Subject: Re: CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts (LEGAL-36) In-Reply-To: <jbarnett@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <jbarnett@example.com> <jbarnett@example.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Hi, On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. <jbarnett@example.com> wrote: > What about the very prominent "Patents Pending"? I could find a few Adobe patents regarding CJK fonts, see [1]. They don't seem to be directly related to the way PDFBox is using the files, but I'm not too much of a PDFBox expert (I'm just a mentor there) to say for sure. More generally, there are probably a whole load of patents that cover things implemented in a project like PDFBox. Adobe has a number of such patents, but is explicitly licensing them for use in software like PDFBox, see [2] (text included at the end of this message). I have no way of knowing whether this patent grant covers all the patents "needed" by PDFBox. Do we have some guidelines or examples on how such patent issues should be documented in an Apache project? [1] http://www.google.com/patents?q=adobe+cjk [2] http://partners.adobe.com/public/developer/support/topic_legal_notices.html BR, Jukka Zitting ---- Adobe Patent Clarification Notice: Reading and writing PDF files Adobe has a number of patents covering technology that is disclosed in the Portable Document Format (PDF) Specification, version 1.3 and later, as documented in PDF Reference and associated Technical Notes (the "Specification"). Adobe desires to promote the use of PDF for information interchange among diverse products and applications. Accordingly, the following patents are licensed on a royalty-free, nonexclusive basis for the term of each patent and for the sole purpose of developing software that produces, consumes, and interprets PDF files that are compliant with the Specification: U.S. Patent Numbers: 5,634,064 5,737,599 5,781,785 5,819,301 6,028,583 6,289,364 6,421,460 In addition, the following patent is licensed on a royalty-free, nonexclusive basis for its term and for the sole purpose of developing software that produces PDF files that are compliant with the Specification (specifically excluding, however, software that consumes and/or interprets PDF files): U.S. Patent Number: 5,860,074 --------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER: Discussions on this list are informational and educational only. Statements made on this list are not privileged, do not constitute legal advice, and do not necessarily reflect the opinions and policies of the ASF. See <http://www.apache.org/licenses/> for official ASF policies and documents. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: jbarnett@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: jbarnett@example.com From legaljbarnett@example.com Mon Oct 06 22:56:15 2008 Return-Path: <legaljbarnett@example.com> Delivered-To: jbarnett@example.com Received: (qmail 53480 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2008 22:56:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 22:56:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 5249 invoked by uid 500); 6 Oct 2008 22:56:11 -0000 Delivered-To: jbarnett@example.com Received: (qmail 5065 invoked by uid 500); 6 Oct 2008 22:56:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact jbarnett@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:jbarnett@example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:jbarnett@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:jbarnett@example.com> Reply-To: jbarnett@example.com List-Id: <legal-discuss.apache.org> Delivered-To: mailing list jbarnett@example.com Received: (qmail 5056 invoked by uid 99); 6 Oct 2008 22:56:11 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:56:11 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=10.0 tests=DNS_FROM_SECURITYSAGE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO rosenlaw.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:55:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 2567 invoked by uid 12234); 6 Oct 2008 22:55:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LROSENTOSHIBA) ([83.161.120.155]) (envelope-sender <jbarnett@example.com>) by 83.161.120.155 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <jbarnett@example.com>; 6 Oct 2008 22:55:43 -0000 Reply-To: <jbarnett@example.com> From: "Lawrence Rosen" <jbarnett@example.com> To: <jbarnett@example.com> References: <jbarnett@example.com> <jbarnett@example.com> <jbarnett@example.com> Subject: RE: CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts (LEGAL-36) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 15:54:45 -0700 Organization: Rosenlaw & Einschlag Message-ID: <05fa01c92806$8797d800$6701a8c0@LROSENTOSHIBA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Ackn+canN/EFSEaGQ8qU7ZQnn4tMYwACvoTw In-Reply-To: <jbarnett@example.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Geir Magnusson asked: > > What about the very prominent "Patents Pending"? What about it? Now that you have read that statement you know exactly as much as I do about some hypothetical patents by some anonymous inventor. That is: jbarnett@example.com. The "Patents Pending" statement has about as much utility for ASF's analysis of patent risk as no jbarnett@example.com. It is, in patent law, the equivalent of "I have a secret that I won't tell." Legally, it doesn't have much more value than that. It is, however, fair warning that a patent has actually been applied for that reads on the product so marked, and it is improper to mark something as "Patents Pending" when patents are in fact not pending. If a patent later issues that reads on your product, you suddenly become an infringer. But those patents may never issue and they may not actually read on your product or any other. So if, a few years from now, you get a cease-and-desist letter announcing an actual patent, consider yourself to have been warned by "Patents Pending." But not effectively warned. ("Remember that secret I wouldn't tell you. Here's my secret now, and here's my invoice for infringement.") /Larry > -----Original Message----- > From: Jukka Zitting [mailto:jbarnett@example.com] > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 2:23 PM > To: jbarnett@example.com > Subject: Re: CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts (LEGAL-36) > > Hi, > > On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. <jbarnett@example.com> > wrote: > > What about the very prominent "Patents Pending"? > > I could find a few Adobe patents regarding CJK fonts, see [1]. They > don't seem to be directly related to the way PDFBox is using the > files, but I'm not too much of a PDFBox expert (I'm just a mentor > there) to say for sure. > > More generally, there are probably a whole load of patents that cover > things implemented in a project like PDFBox. Adobe has a number of > such patents, but is explicitly licensing them for use in software > like PDFBox, see [2] (text included at the end of this message). I > have no way of knowing whether this patent grant covers all the > patents "needed" by PDFBox. > > Do we have some guidelines or examples on how such patent issues > should be documented in an Apache project? > > [1] http://www.google.com/patents?q=adobe+cjk > [2] > http://partners.adobe.com/public/developer/support/topic_legal_notices.htm > l > > BR, > > Jukka Zitting > > ---- > > Adobe Patent Clarification Notice: > > Reading and writing PDF files > > Adobe has a number of patents covering technology that is disclosed in > the Portable Document Format (PDF) Specification, version 1.3 and > later, as documented in PDF Reference and associated Technical Notes > (the "Specification"). Adobe desires to promote the use of PDF for > information interchange among diverse products and applications. > Accordingly, the following patents are licensed on a royalty-free, > nonexclusive basis for the term of each patent and for the sole > purpose of developing software that produces, consumes, and interprets > PDF files that are compliant with the Specification: > > U.S. Patent Numbers: > > 5,634,064 > 5,737,599 > 5,781,785 > 5,819,301 > 6,028,583 > 6,289,364 > 6,421,460 > > In addition, the following patent is licensed on a royalty-free, > nonexclusive basis for its term and for the sole purpose of developing > software that produces PDF files that are compliant with the > Specification (specifically excluding, however, software that consumes > and/or interprets PDF files): > > U.S. Patent Number: > > 5,860,074 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > DISCLAIMER: Discussions on this list are informational and educational > only. 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In-Reply-To: <jbarnett@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <jbarnett@example.com> <jbarnett@example.com> <jbarnett@example.com> <jbarnett@example.com> <jbarnett@example.com> <jbarnett@example.com> <jbarnett@example.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Hi, On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Jukka Zitting <jbarnett@example.com> wrote: > Are there any objections to us unilaterally interpreting the "internal > use" in the GA terms of service as including our project mailing > lists? I would say that this is a reasonable solution, so I'll be setting up monthly GA reports to be automatically sent to the Jackrabbit development mailing list. I'll also write up a draft of the required privacy policy for the Jackrabbit web site. I'll follow up with site-dev@ on where and how to best document this setup. 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In-Reply-To: <jbarnett@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <jbarnett@example.com> <jbarnett@example.com> <jbarnett@example.com> <jbarnett@example.com> <jbarnett@example.com> <jbarnett@example.com> <jbarnett@example.com> <jbarnett@example.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Hi, On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 3:04 PM, sebb <jbarnett@example.com> wrote: > On 19/09/2008, Jukka Zitting <jbarnett@example.com> wrote: >> We use this information to help us make our site more useful to >> visitors -- to learn about the number of visitors to our site and the >> types of technology our visitors use. We do not track or record >> information about individuals and their visits. > > Don't we track abusers? e.g. if a particular IP is hitting the servers > excessively, they might be blocked. This certainly happens for SVN > access. I would say that such use is already covered by the above draft as such protective measures track and record just the IP address and not the individual(s) behind it. Also, the information is clearly used to make the site more useful to visitors. :-) BR, Jukka Zitting --------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER: Discussions on this list are informational and educational only. Statements made on this list are not privileged, do not constitute legal advice, and do not necessarily reflect the opinions and policies of the ASF. See <http://www.apache.org/licenses/> for official ASF policies and documents. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: jbarnett@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: jbarnett@example.com From legaljbarnett@example.com Tue Oct 07 03:44:33 2008 Return-Path: <legaljbarnett@example.com> Delivered-To: jbarnett@example.com Received: (qmail 97863 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2008 03:44:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 03:44:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 73073 invoked by uid 500); 7 Oct 2008 03:44:31 -0000 Delivered-To: jbarnett@example.com Received: (qmail 72681 invoked by uid 500); 7 Oct 2008 03:44:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact jbarnett@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:jbarnett@example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:jbarnett@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:jbarnett@example.com> Reply-To: jbarnett@example.com List-Id: <legal-discuss.apache.org> Delivered-To: mailing list jbarnett@example.com Received: (qmail 72672 invoked by uid 99); 7 Oct 2008 03:44:29 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:44:29 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=10.0 tests=DNS_FROM_SECURITYSAGE,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (athena.apache.org: 83.161.120.155 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of jbarnett@example.com) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO mxout-08.mxes.net) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:43:26 +0000 Received: from [83.161.120.155] (unknown [83.161.120.155]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05511D051E for <jbarnett@example.com>; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 23:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <jbarnett@example.com> From: "Geir Magnusson Jr." <jbarnett@example.com> To: jbarnett@example.com In-Reply-To: <05fa01c92806$8797d800$6701a8c0@LROSENTOSHIBA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: Re: CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts (LEGAL-36) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 23:43:47 -0400 References: <jbarnett@example.com> <jbarnett@example.com> <jbarnett@example.com> <05fa01c92806$8797d800$6701a8c0@LROSENTOSHIBA> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Lets take Adobe at their word, and that there are patents pending. Further, lets leap to a pragmatic conclusion that the patents that are pending read on this code. Should this change how we think about this? New question - does a copyright license have to grant explicit permission beyond "reproduce" in order that the recipient can compile and run it? geir On Oct 6, 2008, at 6:54 PM, Lawrence Rosen wrote: > Geir Magnusson asked: >>> What about the very prominent "Patents Pending"? > > What about it? Now that you have read that statement you know > exactly as > much as I do about some hypothetical patents by some anonymous > inventor. > That is: jbarnett@example.com. The "Patents Pending" statement has about > as much > utility for ASF's analysis of patent risk as no jbarnett@example.com. > > It is, in patent law, the equivalent of "I have a secret that I > won't tell." > Legally, it doesn't have much more value than that. It is, however, > fair > warning that a patent has actually been applied for that reads on the > product so marked, and it is improper to mark something as "Patents > Pending" > when patents are in fact not pending. If a patent later issues that > reads on > your product, you suddenly become an infringer. But those patents > may never > issue and they may not actually read on your product or any other. > > So if, a few years from now, you get a cease-and-desist letter > announcing an > actual patent, consider yourself to have been warned by "Patents > Pending." > But not effectively warned. ("Remember that secret I wouldn't tell > you. > Here's my secret now, and here's my invoice for infringement.") > > /Larry > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jukka Zitting [mailto:jbarnett@example.com] >> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 2:23 PM >> To: jbarnett@example.com >> Subject: Re: CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts (LEGAL-36) >> >> Hi, >> >> On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. <jbarnett@example.com> >> wrote: >>> What about the very prominent "Patents Pending"? >> >> I could find a few Adobe patents regarding CJK fonts, see [1]. They >> don't seem to be directly related to the way PDFBox is using the >> files, but I'm not too much of a PDFBox expert (I'm just a mentor >> there) to say for sure. >> >> More generally, there are probably a whole load of patents that cover >> things implemented in a project like PDFBox. Adobe has a number of >> such patents, but is explicitly licensing them for use in software >> like PDFBox, see [2] (text included at the end of this message). I >> have no way of knowing whether this patent grant covers all the >> patents "needed" by PDFBox. >> >> Do we have some guidelines or examples on how such patent issues >> should be documented in an Apache project? >> >> [1] http://www.google.com/patents?q=adobe+cjk >> [2] >> http://partners.adobe.com/public/developer/support/topic_legal_notices.htm >> l >> >> BR, >> >> Jukka Zitting >> >> ---- >> >> Adobe Patent Clarification Notice: >> >> Reading and writing PDF files >> >> Adobe has a number of patents covering technology that is disclosed >> in >> the Portable Document Format (PDF) Specification, version 1.3 and >> later, as documented in PDF Reference and associated Technical Notes >> (the "Specification"). Adobe desires to promote the use of PDF for >> information interchange among diverse products and applications. >> Accordingly, the following patents are licensed on a royalty-free, >> nonexclusive basis for the term of each patent and for the sole >> purpose of developing software that produces, consumes, and >> interprets >> PDF files that are compliant with the Specification: >> >> U.S. Patent Numbers: >> >> 5,634,064 >> 5,737,599 >> 5,781,785 >> 5,819,301 >> 6,028,583 >> 6,289,364 >> 6,421,460 >> >> In addition, the following patent is licensed on a royalty-free, >> nonexclusive basis for its term and for the sole purpose of >> developing >> software that produces PDF files that are compliant with the >> Specification (specifically excluding, however, software that >> consumes >> and/or interprets PDF files): >> >> U.S. Patent Number: >> >> 5,860,074 >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> DISCLAIMER: Discussions on this list are informational and >> educational >> only. 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See <http://www.apache.org/licenses/> for official ASF policies and documents. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: jbarnett@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: jbarnett@example.com From legaljbarnett@example.com Tue Oct 07 04:38:55 2008 Return-Path: <legaljbarnett@example.com> Delivered-To: jbarnett@example.com Received: (qmail 9710 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2008 04:38:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 04:38:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 11849 invoked by uid 500); 7 Oct 2008 04:38:52 -0000 Delivered-To: jbarnett@example.com Received: (qmail 11593 invoked by uid 500); 7 Oct 2008 04:38:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact jbarnett@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:jbarnett@example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:jbarnett@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:jbarnett@example.com> Reply-To: jbarnett@example.com List-Id: <legal-discuss.apache.org> Delivered-To: mailing list jbarnett@example.com Received: (qmail 11584 invoked by uid 99); 7 Oct 2008 04:38:51 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:38:51 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=10.0 tests=DNS_FROM_SECURITYSAGE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of jbarnett@example.com designates 83.161.120.155 as permitted sender) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:37:49 +0000 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so1749306wah.17 for <jbarnett@example.com>; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:38:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=N5taT3st3AEXtV1jdK/hY1Ao/YXAiZWp61zSBgUl9uM=; b=KjKq0/VDnG/Ig+FQLvIjcYSnWqcRXCQATAJ4p9on3Y2VJAPLZv4pHiTStKbCLO8bnr GInOSDNQBq+go0RaxPl0gVO5J/xWAh0yUbtJ9M+hGDbfMF2P/FDXOWWCX6VEtPwDP6Xj HlePUQU4KKkdPEaGcw/I1iWNCxXfKSXSBOvWM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=xtDAS80E5nTyLaqRlOAJc7lIItPCnW5Ee40KsU2R05krWEiL7h0i9rEEdTeRswrFo9 /4SjLM6dtixYSAmvWUTA8zCJNefLCb5VlAjdamBQugjnaiiVv14ubFGueO9MFLYWBpuf fzVoMjUzvOKrMi3Ex6ksA7PtpfcPSNE9qUBM8= Received: by 83.161.120.155 with SMTP id z1mr6691136wac.94.1223354294980; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:38:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 83.161.120.155 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 21:38:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <jbarnett@example.com> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 21:38:14 -0700 From: "Henri Yandell" <jbarnett@example.com> Sender: jbarnett@example.com To: jbarnett@example.com Subject: Re: CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts (LEGAL-36) In-Reply-To: <jbarnett@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <jbarnett@example.com> <jbarnett@example.com> <jbarnett@example.com> <05fa01c92806$8797d800$6701a8c0@LROSENTOSHIBA> <jbarnett@example.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7b90eb4bf11c42cc X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On the patents pending... no idea. If someone walks up with something, offers a license to use it and says patent pending, then later claims they want money... am wondering if they can. ie) If the license didn't say that then how can they later claim money. I imagine that comes down to the argument of whether the MIT license gives patent usage rights or not. If you say nothing... does it mean yes or no. On compile - I thought you meant compile in terms of a collection or something like that. These are fonts, so I'm not sure compile of source code is applicable here. Hen On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. <jbarnett@example.com> wrote: > Lets take Adobe at their word, and that there are patents pending. Further, > lets leap to a pragmatic conclusion that the patents that are pending read > on this code. > > Should this change how we think about this? > > New question - does a copyright license have to grant explicit permission > beyond "reproduce" in order that the recipient can compile and run it? > > geir > > On Oct 6, 2008, at 6:54 PM, Lawrence Rosen wrote: > >> Geir Magnusson asked: >>>> >>>> What about the very prominent "Patents Pending"? >> >> What about it? Now that you have read that statement you know exactly as >> much as I do about some hypothetical patents by some anonymous inventor. >> That is: jbarnett@example.com. The "Patents Pending" statement has about as much >> utility for ASF's analysis of patent risk as no jbarnett@example.com. >> >> It is, in patent law, the equivalent of "I have a secret that I won't >> tell." >> Legally, it doesn't have much more value than that. It is, however, fair >> warning that a patent has actually been applied for that reads on the >> product so marked, and it is improper to mark something as "Patents >> Pending" >> when patents are in fact not pending. If a patent later issues that reads >> on >> your product, you suddenly become an infringer. But those patents may >> never >> issue and they may not actually read on your product or any other. >> >> So if, a few years from now, you get a cease-and-desist letter announcing >> an >> actual patent, consider yourself to have been warned by "Patents Pending." >> But not effectively warned. ("Remember that secret I wouldn't tell you. >> Here's my secret now, and here's my invoice for infringement.") >> >> /Larry >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jukka Zitting [mailto:jbarnett@example.com] >>> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 2:23 PM >>> To: jbarnett@example.com >>> Subject: Re: CMaps for PDF CJK Fonts (LEGAL-36) >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. <jbarnett@example.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> What about the very prominent "Patents Pending"? >>> >>> I could find a few Adobe patents regarding CJK fonts, see [1]. They >>> don't seem to be directly related to the way PDFBox is using the >>> files, but I'm not too much of a PDFBox expert (I'm just a mentor >>> there) to say for sure. >>> >>> More generally, there are probably a whole load of patents that cover >>> things implemented in a project like PDFBox. Adobe has a number of >>> such patents, but is explicitly licensing them for use in software >>> like PDFBox, see [2] (text included at the end of this message). I >>> have no way of knowing whether this patent grant covers all the >>> patents "needed" by PDFBox. >>> >>> Do we have some guidelines or examples on how such patent issues >>> should be documented in an Apache project? >>> >>> [1] http://www.google.com/patents?q=adobe+cjk >>> [2] >>> >>> http://partners.adobe.com/public/developer/support/topic_legal_notices.htm >>> l >>> >>> BR, >>> >>> Jukka Zitting >>> >>> ---- >>> >>> Adobe Patent Clarification Notice: >>> >>> Reading and writing PDF files >>> >>> Adobe has a number of patents covering technology that is disclosed in >>> the Portable Document Format (PDF) Specification, version 1.3 and >>> later, as documented in PDF Reference and associated Technical Notes >>> (the "Specification"). Adobe desires to promote the use of PDF for >>> information interchange among diverse products and applications. >>> Accordingly, the following patents are licensed on a royalty-free, >>> nonexclusive basis for the term of each patent and for the sole >>> purpose of developing software that produces, consumes, and interprets >>> PDF files that are compliant with the Specification: >>> >>> U.S. Patent Numbers: >>> >>> 5,634,064 >>> 5,737,599 >>> 5,781,785 >>> 5,819,301 >>> 6,028,583 >>> 6,289,364 >>> 6,421,460 >>> >>> In addition, the following patent is licensed on a royalty-free, >>> nonexclusive basis for its term and for the sole purpose of developing >>> software that produces PDF files that are compliant with the >>> Specification (specifically excluding, however, software that consumes >>> and/or interprets PDF files): >>> >>> U.S. Patent Number: >>> >>> 5,860,074 >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> DISCLAIMER: Discussions on this list are informational and educational >>> only. 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