From legalmooretimothy@example.com Wed Jun 1 04:55:41 2011 Return-Path: <legalmooretimothy@example.com> X-Original-To: mooretimothy@example.com Delivered-To: mooretimothy@example.com Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [83.161.120.155]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 534CF6835 for <mooretimothy@example.com>; Wed, 1 Jun 2011 04:55:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 86212 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2011 04:55:38 -0000 Delivered-To: mooretimothy@example.com Received: (qmail 85760 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2011 04:55:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact mooretimothy@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:mooretimothy@example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:mooretimothy@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:mooretimothy@example.com> Reply-To: mooretimothy@example.com List-Id: <legal-discuss.apache.org> Delivered-To: mailing list mooretimothy@example.com Received: (qmail 85753 invoked by uid 99); 1 Jun 2011 04:55:36 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 04:55:36 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of mooretimothy@example.com designates 83.161.120.155 as permitted sender) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO mail-px0-f169.google.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 04:55:27 +0000 Received: by pxi9 with SMTP id 9so3327513pxi.28 for <mooretimothy@example.com>; Tue, 31 May 2011 21:55:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 83.161.120.155 with SMTP id w5mr2663878pbp.166.1306904105824; Tue, 31 May 2011 21:55:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (99-180-69-21.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net [83.161.120.155]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o2sm691029pbj.81.283.161.120.155.55.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 31 May 2011 21:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Urgent help Needed with LGPL library used in Apache Isis - (was: Re: [jira] [Commented] (LEGAL-81) Is it ok/meaningful to have a dependency licensed as ASL just for Apache Software Foundation, but LGPL for anyone else?) From: Ralph Goers <mooretimothy@example.com> In-Reply-To: <mooretimothy@example.com> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 21:55:02 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <mooretimothy@example.com> References: <mooretimothy@example.com> <mooretimothy@example.com> <mooretimothy@example.com> To: mooretimothy@example.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org OK - but if it is licensed under the Apache license why would a software = grant be required? You can use his work under the terms of the license. = He isn't donating the code base to the ASF. Ralph On May 31, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > Kevan, >=20 > It's in a scripting language. There is no binary. The source is being > incorporated into an Apache product. >=20 > If the author publishes it on a web site somewhere under an AL, then I > agree that no grant is needed, but, otherwise, iCLA or SGA. >=20 > --benson >=20 >=20 > On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Kevan Miller <mooretimothy@example.com> = wrote: >>=20 >> On May 31, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote: >>=20 >>> Hi all... >>>=20 >>> Please help in what is explained below. >>>=20 >>> Brief: >>>=20 >>> 1- In Apache Isis [1], we are using an XmlHttpRequest library [2] >>> which is currently licensed under LGPL. >>> 2- The main developer of that library has sent us an e-mail [3] >>> saying that he agrees on dual licensing it under ASL v2.0. >>>=20 >>> The question is: >>>=20 >>> Is that enough, or we need him to file an SGA ? Provided that till >>> this moment he didn't update the library's web site to indicate that >>> dual licensing. >>=20 >> Hi Mohammad, >> I see no reason for an SGA. The XmlHttpRequest library is *not* being = donated to the ASF, correct? And you won't be using XmlHttpRequest = source code in Isis? XmlHttpRequest will now be distributed under a = dual-license (without restrictions). >>=20 >> So, IMO Isis should start using the new binary, the Isis LICENSE file = should be updated with the XmlHttpRequest dual license, and the LICENSE = file should note that Isis chooses the AL v2 license. 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From: Mohammad Nour El-Din <mooretimothy@example.com> To: mooretimothy@example.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thats the problem, it is not licensed nor dual licensed under ASL, he has only replied to an e-mail sent by Isis team that he agrees to dual license this library under ASL besides LGPL, which is not enough IMHO, and thats the problem. It seems that Isis team decided to take another approach and use jQuery instead. But I really want to thank you all for your precious feedback which enriched my information about using different licenses, and I agree it is not an easy task to do :D. On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Ralph Goers <mooretimothy@example.com> wr= ote: > OK - but if it is licensed under the Apache license why would a software = grant be required? =A0You can use his work under the terms of the license. = =A0He isn't donating the code base to the ASF. > > Ralph > > On May 31, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > >> Kevan, >> >> It's in a scripting language. There is no binary. The source is being >> incorporated into an Apache product. >> >> If the author publishes it on a web site somewhere under an AL, then I >> agree that no grant is needed, but, otherwise, iCLA or SGA. >> >> --benson >> >> >> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Kevan Miller <mooretimothy@example.com> w= rote: >>> >>> On May 31, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all... >>>> >>>> =A0 Please help in what is explained below. >>>> >>>> Brief: >>>> >>>> =A0 1- In Apache Isis [1], we are using an XmlHttpRequest library [2] >>>> which is currently licensed under LGPL. >>>> =A0 2- The main developer of that library has sent us an e-mail [3] >>>> saying that he agrees on dual licensing it under ASL v2.0. >>>> >>>> The question is: >>>> >>>> Is that enough, or we need him to file an SGA ? Provided that till >>>> this moment he didn't update the library's web site to indicate that >>>> dual licensing. >>> >>> Hi Mohammad, >>> I see no reason for an SGA. The XmlHttpRequest library is *not* being d= onated to the ASF, correct? And you won't be using XmlHttpRequest source co= de in Isis? XmlHttpRequest will now be distributed under a dual-license (wi= thout restrictions). >>> >>> So, IMO Isis should start using the new binary, the Isis LICENSE file s= hould be updated with the XmlHttpRequest dual license, and the LICENSE file= should note that Isis chooses the AL v2 license. I'd think that is all tha= t is needed. >>> >>> --kevan >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com >>> For additional commands, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com >>> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com >> For additional commands, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com > For additional commands, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com > > --=20 Thanks - Mohammad Nour =A0 Author of (WebSphere Application Server Community Edition 2.0 User Guid= e) =A0 http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247585.html - LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mnour - Blog: http://tadabborat.blogspot.com ---- "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving" - Albert Einstein "Writing clean code is what you must do in order to call yourself a professional. 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From: "Geir Magnusson Jr." <mooretimothy@example.com> In-Reply-To: <mooretimothy@example.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 05:31:12 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <mooretimothy@example.com> References: <mooretimothy@example.com> <mooretimothy@example.com> <mooretimothy@example.com> <mooretimothy@example.com> <mooretimothy@example.com> To: mooretimothy@example.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Just because it's a pet peeve, and if we can't get it right, no one else = will... It's the "AL", not the "ASL". There's no "Software" in the name of the = Apache License geir On Jun 1, 2011, at 5:14 AM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote: > Thats the problem, it is not licensed nor dual licensed under ASL, he > has only replied to an e-mail sent by Isis team that he agrees to dual > license this library under ASL besides LGPL, which is not enough IMHO, > and thats the problem. >=20 > It seems that Isis team decided to take another approach and use > jQuery instead. But I really want to thank you all for your precious > feedback which enriched my information about using different licenses, > and I agree it is not an easy task to do :D. >=20 > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Ralph Goers = <mooretimothy@example.com> wrote: >> OK - but if it is licensed under the Apache license why would a = software grant be required? You can use his work under the terms of the = license. He isn't donating the code base to the ASF. >>=20 >> Ralph >>=20 >> On May 31, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: >>=20 >>> Kevan, >>>=20 >>> It's in a scripting language. There is no binary. The source is = being >>> incorporated into an Apache product. >>>=20 >>> If the author publishes it on a web site somewhere under an AL, then = I >>> agree that no grant is needed, but, otherwise, iCLA or SGA. >>>=20 >>> --benson >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Kevan Miller = <mooretimothy@example.com> wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> On May 31, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> Hi all... >>>>>=20 >>>>> Please help in what is explained below. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Brief: >>>>>=20 >>>>> 1- In Apache Isis [1], we are using an XmlHttpRequest library = [2] >>>>> which is currently licensed under LGPL. >>>>> 2- The main developer of that library has sent us an e-mail [3] >>>>> saying that he agrees on dual licensing it under ASL v2.0. >>>>>=20 >>>>> The question is: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Is that enough, or we need him to file an SGA ? Provided that till >>>>> this moment he didn't update the library's web site to indicate = that >>>>> dual licensing. >>>>=20 >>>> Hi Mohammad, >>>> I see no reason for an SGA. The XmlHttpRequest library is *not* = being donated to the ASF, correct? And you won't be using XmlHttpRequest = source code in Isis? XmlHttpRequest will now be distributed under a = dual-license (without restrictions). >>>>=20 >>>> So, IMO Isis should start using the new binary, the Isis LICENSE = file should be updated with the XmlHttpRequest dual license, and the = LICENSE file should note that Isis chooses the AL v2 license. I'd think = that is all that is needed. >>>>=20 >>>> --kevan >>>> = --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> = --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com >>> For additional commands, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com >> For additional commands, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Thanks > - Mohammad Nour > Author of (WebSphere Application Server Community Edition 2.0 User = Guide) > http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247585.html > - LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mnour > - Blog: http://tadabborat.blogspot.com > ---- > "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep = moving" > - Albert Einstein >=20 > "Writing clean code is what you must do in order to call yourself a > professional. There is no reasonable excuse for doing anything less > than your best." > - Clean Code: A Handbook of Agile Software Craftsmanship >=20 > "Stay hungry, stay foolish." > - Steve Jobs >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com > For additional commands, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com >=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com From legalmooretimothy@example.com Wed Jun 1 09:43:32 2011 Return-Path: <legalmooretimothy@example.com> X-Original-To: mooretimothy@example.com Delivered-To: mooretimothy@example.com Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [83.161.120.155]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D07786C93 for <mooretimothy@example.com>; Wed, 1 Jun 2011 09:43:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 99859 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2011 09:43:32 -0000 Delivered-To: mooretimothy@example.com Received: (qmail 99651 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2011 09:43:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact mooretimothy@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:mooretimothy@example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:mooretimothy@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:mooretimothy@example.com> Reply-To: mooretimothy@example.com List-Id: <legal-discuss.apache.org> Delivered-To: mailing list mooretimothy@example.com Received: (qmail 99644 invoked by uid 99); 1 Jun 2011 09:43:32 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 09:43:32 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,RFC_ABUSE_POST,SPF_PASS,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of mooretimothy@example.com designates 83.161.120.155 as permitted sender) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO mail-qw0-f50.google.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 09:43:26 +0000 Received: by qwe5 with SMTP id 5so3762630qwe.23 for <mooretimothy@example.com>; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 02:43:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/MpYgDiPYTWwQmoOr7yKMe2ymRR1zSTnLsS8g5GyfKc=; b=RoH+Xo+HxQgiro4lX0BaqxEQgFXUppZhYSHYk5oO4bn2GiKKkpIytRt7U37Zj2tyXU V6+MeG4VHDkSOLdDTuM/ZoK9X3vB2VlFbWXx2Ba+DXQ106abl2fQGPa6hbZZGFq73tmM 2smadDPAqWR9Avm9PzQi9FdBuyPBbkEo0TobI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=i/8WNOXXB7VmFqM+9xwz6o6xZnbrMb9Qkx/QDJHE518+VhBoi6hgxU54Yxb98GZ+i1 l1twFmxsM2bQCROd4xh3bd1sKap3LfUXhBoji7szMMf1n2uGh8gnrZnVHxYmTELz0l8o xEIs1XdlzbPlWfZkr+MA0yi0HSV230EFy+9ss= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 83.161.120.155 with SMTP id d3mr5017443qcc.227.1306921385730; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 02:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 83.161.120.155 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Jun 2011 02:43:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <mooretimothy@example.com> References: <mooretimothy@example.com> <mooretimothy@example.com> <mooretimothy@example.com> <mooretimothy@example.com> <mooretimothy@example.com> <mooretimothy@example.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 12:43:05 +0300 Message-ID: <mooretimothy@example.com> Subject: Re: Urgent help Needed with LGPL library used in Apache Isis - (was: Re: [jira] [Commented] (LEGAL-81) Is it ok/meaningful to have a dependency licensed as ASL just for Apache Software Foundation, but LGPL for anyone else?) From: Mohammad Nour El-Din <mooretimothy@example.com> To: mooretimothy@example.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Hi Geir... Thanks for your comment :) On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. <mooretimothy@example.com> wrote: > Just because it's a pet peeve, and if we can't get it right, no one else = will... > > It's the "AL", not the "ASL". =A0There's no "Software" in the name of the= Apache License > > geir > > On Jun 1, 2011, at 5:14 AM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote: > >> Thats the problem, it is not licensed nor dual licensed under ASL, he >> has only replied to an e-mail sent by Isis team that he agrees to dual >> license this library under ASL besides LGPL, which is not enough IMHO, >> and thats the problem. >> >> It seems that Isis team decided to take another approach and use >> jQuery instead. But I really want to thank you all for your precious >> feedback which enriched my information about using different licenses, >> and I agree it is not an easy task to do :D. >> >> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Ralph Goers <mooretimothy@example.com>= wrote: >>> OK - but if it is licensed under the Apache license why would a softwar= e grant be required? =A0You can use his work under the terms of the license= . =A0He isn't donating the code base to the ASF. >>> >>> Ralph >>> >>> On May 31, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: >>> >>>> Kevan, >>>> >>>> It's in a scripting language. There is no binary. The source is being >>>> incorporated into an Apache product. >>>> >>>> If the author publishes it on a web site somewhere under an AL, then I >>>> agree that no grant is needed, but, otherwise, iCLA or SGA. >>>> >>>> --benson >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Kevan Miller <mooretimothy@example.com>= wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On May 31, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all... >>>>>> >>>>>> =A0 Please help in what is explained below. >>>>>> >>>>>> Brief: >>>>>> >>>>>> =A0 1- In Apache Isis [1], we are using an XmlHttpRequest library [2= ] >>>>>> which is currently licensed under LGPL. >>>>>> =A0 2- The main developer of that library has sent us an e-mail [3] >>>>>> saying that he agrees on dual licensing it under ASL v2.0. >>>>>> >>>>>> The question is: >>>>>> >>>>>> Is that enough, or we need him to file an SGA ? Provided that till >>>>>> this moment he didn't update the library's web site to indicate that >>>>>> dual licensing. >>>>> >>>>> Hi Mohammad, >>>>> I see no reason for an SGA. The XmlHttpRequest library is *not* being= donated to the ASF, correct? And you won't be using XmlHttpRequest source = code in Isis? XmlHttpRequest will now be distributed under a dual-license (= without restrictions). >>>>> >>>>> So, IMO Isis should start using the new binary, the Isis LICENSE file= should be updated with the XmlHttpRequest dual license, and the LICENSE fi= le should note that Isis chooses the AL v2 license. I'd think that is all t= hat is needed. >>>>> >>>>> --kevan >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com >>> For additional commands, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Thanks >> - Mohammad Nour >> =A0 Author of (WebSphere Application Server Community Edition 2.0 User G= uide) >> =A0 http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247585.html >> - LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mnour >> - Blog: http://tadabborat.blogspot.com >> ---- >> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep movin= g" >> - Albert Einstein >> >> "Writing clean code is what you must do in order to call yourself a >> professional. There is no reasonable excuse for doing anything less >> than your best." >> - Clean Code: A Handbook of Agile Software Craftsmanship >> >> "Stay hungry, stay foolish." >> - Steve Jobs >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com >> For additional commands, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com > For additional commands, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com > > --=20 Thanks - Mohammad Nour =A0 Author of (WebSphere Application Server Community Edition 2.0 User Guid= e) =A0 http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247585.html - LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mnour - Blog: http://tadabborat.blogspot.com ---- "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving" - Albert Einstein "Writing clean code is what you must do in order to call yourself a professional. 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To: mooretimothy@example.com In-Reply-To: <mooretimothy@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually I prefer the abbreviation ALv2 =0A=0AAs distinction to our old v1 = license. =0A=0ALieGrue,=0Astrub=0A=0A--- On Wed, 6/1/11, Mohammad Nour El-D= in <mooretimothy@example.com> wrote:=0A=0A> From: Mohammad Nour El-Din <nour= .mooretimothy@example.com>=0A> Subject: Re: Urgent help Needed with LGPL library = used in Apache Isis - (was: Re: [jira] [Commented] (LEGAL-81) Is it ok/mean= ingful to have a dependency licensed as ASL just for Apache Software Founda= tion, but LGPL for anyone else?)=0A> To: mooretimothy@example.com=0A> Date:= Wednesday, June 1, 2011, 9:43 AM=0A> Hi Geir...=0A> =0A> =A0=A0=A0Thanks f= or your comment :)=0A> =0A> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Geir Magnusson= Jr. <mooretimothy@example.com>=0A> wrote:=0A> > Just because it's a pet peeve, and i= f we can't get it=0A> right, no one else will...=0A> >=0A> > It's the "AL",= not the "ASL". =A0There's no "Software"=0A> in the name of the Apache Lice= nse=0A> >=0A> > geir=0A> >=0A> > On Jun 1, 2011, at 5:14 AM, Mohammad Nour = El-Din=0A> wrote:=0A> >=0A> >> Thats the problem, it is not licensed nor du= al=0A> licensed under ASL, he=0A> >> has only replied to an e-mail sent by = Isis team=0A> that he agrees to dual=0A> >> license this library under ASL = besides LGPL, which=0A> is not enough IMHO,=0A> >> and thats the problem.= =0A> >>=0A> >> It seems that Isis team decided to take another=0A> approach= and use=0A> >> jQuery instead. But I really want to thank you all=0A> for = your precious=0A> >> feedback which enriched my information about using=0A>= different licenses,=0A> >> and I agree it is not an easy task to do :D.=0A= > >>=0A> >> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslext= reme.com>=0A> wrote:=0A> >>> OK - but if it is licensed under the Apache=0A= > license why would a software grant be required? =A0You can=0A> use his wo= rk under the terms of the license. =A0He isn't=0A> donating the code base t= o the ASF.=0A> >>>=0A> >>> Ralph=0A> >>>=0A> >>> On May 31, 2011, at 2:02 P= M, Benson Margulies=0A> wrote:=0A> >>>=0A> >>>> Kevan,=0A> >>>>=0A> >>>> It= 's in a scripting language. There is no=0A> binary. The source is being=0A>= >>>> incorporated into an Apache product.=0A> >>>>=0A> >>>> If the author = publishes it on a web site=0A> somewhere under an AL, then I=0A> >>>> agree= that no grant is needed, but,=0A> otherwise, iCLA or SGA.=0A> >>>>=0A> >>>= > --benson=0A> >>>>=0A> >>>>=0A> >>>> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Keva= n=0A> Miller <mooretimothy@example.com>=0A> wrote:=0A> >>>>>=0A> >>>>> On May= 31, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Mohammad=0A> Nour El-Din wrote:=0A> >>>>>=0A> >>>>>>= Hi all...=0A> >>>>>>=0A> >>>>>> =A0 Please help in what is=0A> explained b= elow.=0A> >>>>>>=0A> >>>>>> Brief:=0A> >>>>>>=0A> >>>>>> =A0 1- In Apache I= sis [1], we are=0A> using an XmlHttpRequest library [2]=0A> >>>>>> which is= currently licensed under=0A> LGPL.=0A> >>>>>> =A0 2- The main developer of= that=0A> library has sent us an e-mail [3]=0A> >>>>>> saying that he agree= s on dual=0A> licensing it under ASL v2.0.=0A> >>>>>>=0A> >>>>>> The questi= on is:=0A> >>>>>>=0A> >>>>>> Is that enough, or we need him to=0A> file an = SGA ? Provided that till=0A> >>>>>> this moment he didn't update the=0A> li= brary's web site to indicate that=0A> >>>>>> dual licensing.=0A> >>>>>=0A> = >>>>> Hi Mohammad,=0A> >>>>> I see no reason for an SGA. The=0A> XmlHttpReq= uest library is *not* being donated to the ASF,=0A> correct? And you won't = be using XmlHttpRequest source code=0A> in Isis? XmlHttpRequest will now be= distributed under a=0A> dual-license (without restrictions).=0A> >>>>>=0A>= >>>>> So, IMO Isis should start using the=0A> new binary, the Isis LICENSE= file should be updated with the=0A> XmlHttpRequest dual license, and the L= ICENSE file should=0A> note that Isis chooses the AL v2 license. I'd think = that is=0A> all that is needed.=0A> >>>>>=0A> >>>>> --kevan=0A> >>>>>=0A> -= --------------------------------------------------------------------=0A> >>= >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com=0A> >>>>> = For additional commands, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com=0A> >>>>>=0A= > >>>>>=0A> >>>>=0A> >>>>=0A> ---------------------------------------------= ------------------------=0A> >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: legal-discuss-uns= mooretimothy@example.com=0A> >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: legal-discuss= -mooretimothy@example.com=0A> >>>>=0A> >>>=0A> >>>=0A> >>>=0A> ---------------------= ------------------------------------------------=0A> >>> To unsubscribe, e-= mail: mooretimothy@example.com=0A> >>> For additional commands,= e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com=0A> >>>=0A> >>>=0A> >>=0A> >>=0A> >>= =0A> >> --=0A> >> Thanks=0A> >> - Mohammad Nour=0A> >> =A0 Author of (WebSp= here Application Server=0A> Community Edition 2.0 User Guide)=0A> >> =A0 ht= tp://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247585.html=0A> >> - LinkedIn: http:/= /www.linkedin.com/in/mnour=0A> >> - Blog: http://tadabborat.blogspot.com=0A= > >> ----=0A> >> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your=0A> balance y= ou must keep moving"=0A> >> - Albert Einstein=0A> >>=0A> >> "Writing clean = code is what you must do in order=0A> to call yourself a=0A> >> professiona= l. There is no reasonable excuse for=0A> doing anything less=0A> >> than yo= ur best."=0A> >> - Clean Code: A Handbook of Agile Software=0A> Craftsmansh= ip=0A> >>=0A> >> "Stay hungry, stay foolish."=0A> >> - Steve Jobs=0A> >>=0A= > >>=0A> ------------------------------------------------------------------= ---=0A> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com=0A>= >> For additional commands, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com=0A> >>= =0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> ----------------------------------------------------= -----------------=0A> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: legal-discuss-unsubscribe@a= pache.org=0A> > For additional commands, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com.= org=0A> >=0A> >=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> -- =0A> Thanks=0A> - Mohammad Nour=0A> = =A0 Author of (WebSphere Application Server Community=0A> Edition 2.0 User = Guide)=0A> =A0 http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247585.html=0A> - Li= nkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mnour=0A> - Blog: http://tadabborat.blog= spot.com=0A> ----=0A> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance = you=0A> must keep moving"=0A> - Albert Einstein=0A> =0A> "Writing clean cod= e is what you must do in order to call=0A> yourself a=0A> professional. The= re is no reasonable excuse for doing=0A> anything less=0A> than your best."= =0A> - Clean Code: A Handbook of Agile Software Craftsmanship=0A> =0A> "Sta= y hungry, stay foolish."=0A> - Steve Jobs=0A> =0A> ------------------------= ---------------------------------------------=0A> To unsubscribe, e-mail: l= mooretimothy@example.com=0A> For additional commands, e-mail: le= mooretimothy@example.com=0A> =0A> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com From legalmooretimothy@example.com Wed Jun 1 11:23:11 2011 Return-Path: <legalmooretimothy@example.com> X-Original-To: mooretimothy@example.com Delivered-To: mooretimothy@example.com Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [83.161.120.155]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 127E160B5 for <mooretimothy@example.com>; Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:23:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 41083 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2011 11:23:09 -0000 Delivered-To: mooretimothy@example.com Received: (qmail 40764 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2011 11:23:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact mooretimothy@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:mooretimothy@example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:mooretimothy@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:mooretimothy@example.com> Reply-To: mooretimothy@example.com List-Id: <legal-discuss.apache.org> Delivered-To: mailing list mooretimothy@example.com Received: (qmail 40757 invoked by uid 99); 1 Jun 2011 11:23:09 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:23:09 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO exchange.blackducksoftware.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:23:03 +0000 Received: from BDSEXCH2K7CLS.blackducksoftware.com ([83.161.120.155]) by exdirector.blackducksoftware.com ([83.161.120.155]) with mapi; Wed, 1 Jun 2011 07:22:40 -0400 From: Philip Odence <mooretimothy@example.com> To: "mooretimothy@example.com" <mooretimothy@example.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 07:22:38 -0400 Subject: What is in a name? Thread-Topic: What is in a name? Thread-Index: AcwgTjdne5IE1asrQCC2edz8s7IMAw== Message-ID: <mooretimothy@example.com> In-Reply-To: <mooretimothy@example.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/83.161.120.155310 acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org This FYI was triggered by the recent discussion about the name of the Apache License. I think it would be useful for you all to be aware that the Linux Foundation's SPDX (Software Package Data Exchange) Group (in the course of developing a standard for specifying package content, licensing and copyright info) has created a list of licenses with associated short name identifiers. Subsequently the OSI has adopted these identifiers and we've nearly synched the identifiers with the Debian DEP5 specification. The list also contains links to a set permanent URLs (to be maintained by Linux Foundation) to official license text for each of the licenses. The vision is that the collection will become a standard way of unambiguously referring to specific licenses in a compact form. The short names for the Apache Licenses are: Apache-1.0, Apache-1.1, and Apache-2.0. Not suggesting these need be used for discussions on this list. Phil Odence Co-chair, SPDX Working Group www.spdx.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com From legalmooretimothy@example.com Wed Jun 1 12:34:22 2011 Return-Path: <legalmooretimothy@example.com> X-Original-To: mooretimothy@example.com Delivered-To: mooretimothy@example.com Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [83.161.120.155]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AED8B651E for <mooretimothy@example.com>; Wed, 1 Jun 2011 12:34:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 38796 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2011 12:34:22 -0000 Delivered-To: mooretimothy@example.com Received: (qmail 38321 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jun 2011 12:34:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact mooretimothy@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:mooretimothy@example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:mooretimothy@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:mooretimothy@example.com> Reply-To: mooretimothy@example.com List-Id: <legal-discuss.apache.org> Delivered-To: mailing list mooretimothy@example.com Received: (qmail 38314 invoked by uid 99); 1 Jun 2011 12:34:21 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 12:34:21 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: unknown (athena.apache.org: error in processing during lookup of mooretimothy@example.com) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO mail-pv0-f178.google.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 12:34:16 +0000 Received: by pvg7 with SMTP id 7so3079136pvg.23 for <mooretimothy@example.com>; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 05:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 83.161.120.155 with SMTP id 9mr3024290pbd.346.1306931634204; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 05:33:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [83.161.120.155] ([83.161.120.155]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c5sm1027165pbj.89.283.161.120.155.33.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 01 Jun 2011 05:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <mooretimothy@example.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 18:03:46 +0530 From: Damitha Kumarage <mooretimothy@example.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 83.161.120.155 (X11/20101027) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mooretimothy@example.com Subject: Advise on licensing issue Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I am adding NTLM authentication support for Axis2/C http transport. Axis2/C need an external NTLM library for that purpose. An ntlm library could be plugged into the Axis2/C by writing a wrapper layer. At run time NTLM library is dynamically loaded into Axis2/C. Currently I have written two wrapper layers for two NTLM libraries. One is for Heimdal which has Apache compatible license. Other is for libntlm [1] which is LGPL version 2.1 Note that Axis2/C can run without NTLM support and by default this support is disabled. User need to specifically enable this support at confguration time. For example if he plan to use heimdal library use configure --enable-heimdal If he plan to use libntlm configure --enable-libntlm If he need any other ntlm library he need to write that library by implmenting axis2_ntlm.h header file, as a dynamically loadable library. Question: is it ok to commit the libntlm wrapper to Axis2/C code base. This wrapper layer contain only following two entries relating to libntlm in header file #include <ntlm.h> And when build give CFLAGS as NTLM_LDFLAGS="-L/usr/local/lib -lntlm" Thanks, Damitha [1] http://josefsson.org/libntlm/ -- __________________________________________________________________ Damitha Kumarage Technical Lead; WSO2 Inc. "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform; " http://www.wso2.com/ blog: " http://damithakumarage.wordpress.com/ __________________________________________________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com From legalmooretimothy@example.com Thu Jun 2 16:39:46 2011 Return-Path: <legalmooretimothy@example.com> X-Original-To: mooretimothy@example.com Delivered-To: mooretimothy@example.com Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [83.161.120.155]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ED6BC41F5 for <mooretimothy@example.com>; Thu, 2 Jun 2011 16:39:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 95646 invoked by uid 500); 2 Jun 2011 16:39:45 -0000 Delivered-To: mooretimothy@example.com Received: (qmail 95518 invoked by uid 500); 2 Jun 2011 16:39:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact mooretimothy@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:mooretimothy@example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:mooretimothy@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:mooretimothy@example.com> Reply-To: mooretimothy@example.com List-Id: <legal-discuss.apache.org> Delivered-To: mailing list mooretimothy@example.com Delivered-To: moderator for mooretimothy@example.com Received: (qmail 80178 invoked by uid 99); 2 Jun 2011 16:28:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 17:28:43 +0100 Message-ID: <mooretimothy@example.com> Subject: Apache Policy for OASIS RF ON RAND terms From: Paul Fremantle <mooretimothy@example.com> To: mooretimothy@example.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm currently part of the AMQP working group. The AMQP working group is looking to move to OASIS and is trying to choose a IPR mode for the specification. AMPQ is implemented by the Apache Qpid and other projects. The OASIS Non Assert mode would seem the best to me but other parties in the AMQP working group are not that keen on it. The proposal is that AMQP goes forward under the OASIS RF on RAND terms (see http://www.oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/ipr#types_obligations). As an Apache Member and Working Group member, I was asked to find out if Apache has any "position" on this model. I'd appreciate any advice. Paul -- Paul Fremantle Co-Founder and CTO, WSO2 Apache Synapse PMC Chair OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org mooretimothy@example.com "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com For additional commands, e-mail: mooretimothy@example.com From legalmooretimothy@example.com Thu Jun 2 17:22:03 2011 Return-Path: <legalmooretimothy@example.com> X-Original-To: mooretimothy@example.com Delivered-To: mooretimothy@example.com Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [83.161.120.155]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E78D54780 for <mooretimothy@example.com>; Thu, 2 Jun 2011 17:22:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 90322 invoked by uid 500); 2 Jun 2011 17:22:02 -0000 Delivered-To: mooretimothy@example.com Received: (qmail 90183 invoked by uid 500); 2 Jun 2011 17:22:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact mooretimothy@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:mooretimothy@example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:mooretimothy@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:mooretimothy@example.com> Reply-To: mooretimothy@example.com List-Id: <legal-discuss.apache.org> Delivered-To: mailing list mooretimothy@example.com Received: (qmail 90176 invoked by uid 99); 2 Jun 2011 17:22:02 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 17:22:02 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO rosenlaw.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 17:21:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 68965 invoked by uid 12234); 2 Jun 2011 17:21:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Lawrencei) ([83.161.120.155]) (envelope-sender <mooretimothy@example.com>) by 83.161.120.155 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <mooretimothy@example.com>; 2 Jun 2011 17:21:34 -0000 From: "Lawrence Rosen" <mooretimothy@example.com> To: <mooretimothy@example.com> References: <mooretimothy@example.com> In-Reply-To: <mooretimothy@example.com> Subject: RE: Apache Policy for OASIS RF ON RAND terms Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 10:21:37 -0700 Message-ID: <036001cc2149$8799e200$96cda600$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcwhQ65vpr4rUIWDQuy+CVu4JBXS0AABNSkA Content-Language: en-us X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Paul, I'm not aware of an Apache position, but I've stated my position publicly. There was a big brouhaha several years ago about the OASIS RF RAND policy. I was against it. I did a Google search on "Rosen OASIS RAND" and this was the first article I found: http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/42956 You'll see that other open source folks also spoke out. I also found some old ASF email in my Google search. Hope this helps. /Larry > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Fremantle [mailto:mooretimothy@example.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 9:29 AM > To: mooretimothy@example.com > Subject: Apache Policy for OASIS RF ON RAND terms > > I'm currently part of the AMQP working group. The AMQP working group > is looking to move to OASIS and is trying to choose a IPR mode for the > specification. AMPQ is implemented by the Apache Qpid and other > projects. > > The OASIS Non Assert mode would seem the best to me but other parties > in the AMQP working group are not that keen on it. 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Over in TAC land (Travel Assistance Committee), it has been ongoing talk as to whether or not we NEED to be getting travel insurance (to include Medical Insurance) for the attendees that we provide travel assistance to. The TAC has decided we would offer travel insurance assistance, up to $100, to the traveler, if needed. We would include a disclaimer in our initial questionnaire to them. What we want to know, is the best way to do this - is a tick box disclaimer ok, do we need a separate legal document written by a lawyer, etc .. Since this is an insurance policy, the traveler would be required to obtain his/her own coverage. I would imagine we should have two separate options written up. 1) Have a clause written up if the traveler is requesting our financial assistance, with a statement that the traveler is responsible for obtaining his/her own insurance and thereby releasing us from any liability/responsibility; 2) have a clause written up declining insurance and releasing us from any liability/responsibility. In either case, the traveler would check the appropriate box. Can you assist us with writing this up? I certainly appreciate your assistance. Thank you so much. Have a great day, Melissa --0-1791275696-1307376645=:55246 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div>Good afternoon,<br><br>I'm the EA for ASF; I'm helping TAC on a project regarding travel/medical insurance.<br><br>Over in TAC land (Travel Assistance Committee), it has been ongoing talk as to whether or not we NEED to be getting travel insurance (to include Medical Insurance) for the attendees that we provide travel assistance to.<br> <br> The TAC has decided we would offer travel insurance assistance, up to $100, to the traveler, if needed.&nbsp; We would include a disclaimer in our initial questionnaire to them.&nbsp; What we want to know, is the best way to do this - is a tick box disclaimer ok, do we need a separate legal document written by a lawyer, etc .. <br><br>Since this is an insurance policy, the traveler would be required to obtain his/her own coverage.&nbsp; I would imagine we should have two separate options written up.&nbsp; 1) Have a clause written up if the traveler is requesting our financial assistance, with a statement that the traveler is responsible for obtaining his/her own insurance and thereby releasing us from any liability/responsibility; 2) have a clause written up declining insurance and releasing us from any liability/responsibility.&nbsp; In either case, the traveler would check the appropriate box.<br><br>Can you assist us with writing this up? I certainly appreciate your assistance.<br><br>Thank you so much.<br><br>Have a great day,<br>Melissa<br></div> </div></body></html> --0-1791275696-1307376645=:55246-- From legalmooretimothy@example.com Mon Jun 6 17:42:18 2011 Return-Path: <legalmooretimothy@example.com> X-Original-To: mooretimothy@example.com Delivered-To: mooretimothy@example.com Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [83.161.120.155]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 532244989 for <mooretimothy@example.com>; Mon, 6 Jun 2011 17:42:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 11791 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jun 2011 17:42:17 -0000 Delivered-To: mooretimothy@example.com Received: (qmail 11582 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jun 2011 17:42:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact mooretimothy@example.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:mooretimothy@example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:mooretimothy@example.com> List-Post: <mailto:mooretimothy@example.com> Reply-To: mooretimothy@example.com List-Id: <legal-discuss.apache.org> Delivered-To: mailing list mooretimothy@example.com Received: (qmail 11574 invoked by uid 99); 6 Jun 2011 17:42:17 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 17:42:17 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: error (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [83.161.120.155] (HELO rosenlaw.com) (83.161.120.155) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 17:42:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 55210 invoked by uid 12234); 6 Jun 2011 17:41:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Lawrencei) ([83.161.120.155]) (envelope-sender <mooretimothy@example.com>) by 83.161.120.155 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <mooretimothy@example.com>; 6 Jun 2011 17:41:29 -0000 From: "Lawrence Rosen" <mooretimothy@example.com> To: <mooretimothy@example.com>, <mooretimothy@example.com> Cc: <mooretimothy@example.com> References: <mooretimothy@example.com> In-Reply-To: <mooretimothy@example.com> Subject: RE: Travel/Medical Insurance for TAC Attendees Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 10:41:30 -0700 Message-ID: <011f01cc2470$f8e92db0$eabb8910$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0120_01CC2436.4C8A55B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acwka8apWmgsGE6YQEWET/qCzpXCKQABJg+Q Content-Language: en-us ------=_NextPart_000_0120_01CC2436.4C8A55B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Melissa and the TAC: I'm surprised to hear that we offer travel/medical insurance as part of our TAC reimbursement. I've done lots of traveling at other companies' expense in recent years. Never has anyone offered to pay for travel or medical insurance for me and I've never thought to demand it. Are we worried that we will be liable if there is a plane crash on the way to ApacheCon? /Larry Lawrence Rosen Rosenlaw & Einschlag, a technology law firm (www.rosenlaw.com) 3001 King Ranch Road, Ukiah, CA 95482 Cell: (504)918-2809 Apache Software Foundation, member and counsel (www.apache.org) From: Melissa Warnkin [mailto:mooretimothy@example.com] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 9:11 AM To: mooretimothy@example.com; mooretimothy@example.com Cc: mooretimothy@example.com Subject: Travel/Medical Insurance for TAC Attendees Good afternoon, I'm the EA for ASF; I'm helping TAC on a project regarding travel/medical insurance. Over in TAC land (Travel Assistance Committee), it has been ongoing talk as to whether or not we NEED to be getting travel insurance (to include Medical Insurance) for the attendees that we provide travel assistance to. The TAC has decided we would offer travel insurance assistance, up to $100, to the traveler, if needed. We would include a disclaimer in our initial questionnaire to them. What we want to know, is the best way to do this - is a tick box disclaimer ok, do we need a separate legal document written by a lawyer, etc .. Since this is an insurance policy, the traveler would be required to obtain his/her own coverage. I would imagine we should have two separate options written up. 1) Have a clause written up if the traveler is requesting our financial assistance, with a statement that the traveler is responsible for obtaining his/her own insurance and thereby releasing us from any liability/responsibility; 2) have a clause written up declining insurance and releasing us from any liability/responsibility. In either case, the traveler would check the appropriate box. Can you assist us with writing this up? I certainly appreciate your assistance. Thank you so much. 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I've done lots of traveling at other = companies' expense in recent years. Never has anyone offered to pay for = travel or medical insurance for me and I've never thought to demand = it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'>Are we worried that we will be liable if there is a plane crash on = the way to ApacheCon?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'>/Larry<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D= '>Lawrence Rosen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D= '>Rosenlaw &amp; Einschlag, a technology law firm (www.rosenlaw.com) = <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D= '>3001 King Ranch Road, Ukiah, CA 95482<o:p></o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D= '>Cell: (504)918-2809<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D= '>Apache Software Foundation, member and counsel (www.apache.org) = <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D= '><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div = style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in = 4.0pt'><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF = 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>= </b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> = Melissa Warnkin [mailto:mooretimothy@example.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, = June 06, 2011 9:11 AM<br><b>To:</b> mooretimothy@example.com; = mooretimothy@example.com<br><b>Cc:</b> mooretimothy@example.com<br><b>Subject:</b> = Travel/Medical Insurance for TAC = Attendees<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Good = afternoon,<br><br>I'm the EA for ASF; I'm helping TAC on a project = regarding travel/medical insurance.<br><br>Over in TAC land (Travel = Assistance Committee), it has been ongoing talk as to whether or not we = NEED to be getting travel insurance (to include Medical Insurance) for = the attendees that we provide travel assistance to.<br><br>The TAC has = decided we would offer travel insurance assistance, up to $100, to the = traveler, if needed.&nbsp; We would include a disclaimer in our initial = questionnaire to them.&nbsp; What we want to know, is the best way to do = this - is a tick box disclaimer ok, do we need a separate legal document = written by a lawyer, etc .. <br><br>Since this is an insurance policy, = the traveler would be required to obtain his/her own coverage.&nbsp; I = would imagine we should have two separate options written up.&nbsp; 1) = Have a clause written up if the traveler
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