#ubuntu-wiki 2012-05-22
<elfy> hi hannie
<hannie> hey there, elfy
<elfy> we are official now then I guess - the log bot is here :)
<hannie> ok, that is good news
<elfy> yep - we'll have to be serious now :)
<hannie> I am just reading the ubuntu-manual meeting logs (I did not attend)
<elfy> I might start hanging around in the channel soon - just to get a feel for people
<hannie> Here is a useful link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
<hannie> I am not sure if ubuntulog2 and meetingology use the same code
<elfy> I have no idea - as far as I know the log bots are just for getting channels onto here - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com
<hannie> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/05/19/%23ubuntu-manual.html#t19:05
<hannie> This is the log I am just reading
<hannie> And we use meetingology
<hannie> The chair can use commands like # startmeeting, #topic, #vote etc.
<elfy> I realise that - I'd assume that meetingology was there for meeting use - the channel also has ubuntulog in it I see
<hannie> You are right. Here we only have ubuntulog2 (thusfar)
<elfy> yep
<elfy> will check to see if it is logging to the irclogs.ubuntu.com later
<hannie> ok, so far I am happy the way we communicate (IRC and m/list)
<elfy> yea me too - it's just that as this is 'offifical' we thought there should be logs available - it would make it easier for us too - we can check if we've been away for a while
<elfy> alan bell I think is the one to ask about meetingology - might be good to have it here for meetings
 * elfy thinks aloud
<hannie> I was just going to ask: can we have meetingology here? Are you going to ask alan Bell?
<elfy> I can do that
<hannie> great!
<hannie> I also see manualbot at #ubuntu-manual. No idea what this bot does
<elfy> have to now - it's on the blueprint to remind me :)
<hannie> ah, good old blueprint
<elfy> :)
<elfy> do you remember offhand if we decided to have a page to list done wiki's - I can't remember - if you can't don't worry - I will dig it out from my logs
<hannie> I think not
<elfy> okey doke
<hannie> With all these separate pages, is it possible to have them together at some place or other?
<elfy> the 3 list pages?
<hannie> Like you put something in a folder?
<hannie> yes, 3 and perhaps one coming
<elfy> no idea to be honest - question can be asked - I'd have thought not - but they are all linked from one place in 'our wiki world'
<hannie> I have the links in my Favorites, but I was just thinking if they can be gathered somewhere
<hannie> no big deal. Just a thought
<elfy> we can think about it and ask someone - no problem with that
<elfy> and what's the 'perhaps one coming' ... :)
<hannie> the wiki's done page
<elfy> ok - you think there is a need?
<hannie> not yet, but maybe in the future
<elfy> mmm - if we have a need - better to have one now - or someone will have a long list to add in one go
<hannie> Like I said before, when we have less work to do for the manual I will spend more time on ubforums2wiki
<elfy> yea - I understand :)
<elfy> I'll add it to blueprint as a thought
<hannie> good idea, so we won't forget
<elfy> yep
<hannie> you know what I think of when you use the name elfy? LOTR
<elfy> :)
<elfy> you'd like my urukhai nick then lol
<hannie> or Harry Potter
<elfy> oh dear :(
<elfy> :p
<hannie> urukhai is from starwars?
<elfy> urukhai are from LOTR
<elfy> the bigger nastier goblins lol
<hannie> argggg. stupid me
<elfy> :)
<hannie> I just listened to my cd LOTR
<hannie> great music
<hannie> especially Enya
<elfy> I like enya
<hannie> me too, and Clannad
<elfy> blast from the past that is
<hannie> but still good music (I find at least)
<elfy> yep
<elfy> back in a while - daughter home now
<hannie> ok, back to work for me. cya
<elfy> cya
<elfy> wildmanne39: hi and notice the log bot finally
<MGandTL> Is there a way to mark the pages on the import page as "in progress" or "bagged by x"? Don't want to start and then have someone else do it. :)
<wildmanne39> Hi elfy
<elfy> MGandTL: not at the moment
<elfy> not been a problem as yet - start a m/list thread perhaps to get views on it
<MGandTL> We have a mailing list?
<elfy> it seems at the moment that people who started the ball rolling with a thread are doing the wiki
<elfy> MGandTL: yes - at https://launchpad.net/~ubforums2ubwiki
<elfy> and a blueprint
<MGandTL> Ah. Okay, I'll go join that.
#ubuntu-wiki 2012-05-23
<john_barleycorn> Anyone here know how/is it possible to colorize text in a wiki page?
<elfy> o/
<not_found> \o
<LHammonds> I suppose the Wiki login is separate from the Forum login?
<MrChrisDruif> I suppose
<LHammonds> Well, I seem to be stuck trying to create a dag-gum launchpad account.  I fail miserably at the recapcha. (I don't usually have such problems)
<LHammonds> Typing my dag-gum password 12 times now along with 6 recaptchas.  Starting to think it is broken.
<MrChrisDruif> Maybe reloading the entire page?
<MrChrisDruif> It rare but sometimes is the captcha out-of-sync with the page
<MrChrisDruif> It's*
<LHammonds> Nope.  It's broke.  CTRL+F5 did not fix it.  The recap images are almost perfectly clear so I *know* I typed a combo correctly at least 2 times now.
<LHammonds> It worked when I used IE (which caused me to puke a little in my mouth)
<LHammonds> Most wiki's I have worked with make use of categories to help find pages.  What/where are the categories?  How are pages arranged?  How do people find various pages on the wiki?
#ubuntu-wiki 2012-05-25
<wildmanne39> hi elfy what do you think of this thread for conversion http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1132821 is it on bordering against forum policy?
<elfy> we should ask ibuclaw to do it perhaps - but PM him :)
<elfy> doubt it is against forum policy - I remeber bodhi getting ibuclaw to write it :)
<wildmanne39> so I should add it then pm him?
<wildmanne39> to the import page
<elfy> yea - I almost have a couple if times and then forgotten
<wildmanne39> I will do it now thanks
<elfy> hang on
<elfy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sudoers
<elfy> no need - add and edit perhaps if you can
<elfy> I wonder if a - "There's this tute and this wiki already - should the tute be closed" page in our armoury
<wildmanne39> I think they are 2 different guides, and I was going to link to the wiki that you posted when I converted it
<elfy> mmm - should they be different?
<wildmanne39> not sure that is what makes picking threads so hard
<elfy> lol
<elfy> I tend to look every couple of days and see what's been moving
<elfy> I also get to see the ones that are still in the moderation queue
<wildmanne39> I am trying to compare the two line by line right noe
<wildmanne39> now
<elfy> perhaps talk to ibuclaw about it - think of a name - advancedsudoers or something and do as you thought
<wildmanne39> it is very close to the same
<elfy> perhaps then we just need to add the extra
<wildmanne39> I think I will pm him and ask his opinion
<elfy> k - makes sense
<wildmanne39> should I wait to add it to the import page?
<elfy> yea
<wildmanne39> do you find that it is harder to find pages to convert then it is to convert them?
<elfy> yep
<elfy> lots of old stuff and less than wiki worthy
<wildmanne39> we need to start adding he rejected ones to the rejected page
<elfy> I think that issue needs to be talked about - what to do with things that should be wikified - but don't need a whole page
<elfy> wildmanne39: +1
<wildmanne39> I agree and it is hard to know what needs to be when only small bits of information needs to be added
<elfy> yea
<wildmanne39> thank you
<elfy> it is nice to see the import page filling with new wiki's :)
<wildmanne39> yes it is, one of the pages that I had put on the import page to be wikified I looked at it yesterday because someone had created a wiki out of it while I was out of town but they left it as the script imported it and it was a mess or it may have been the author of the thread not sure but I fixed it
<elfy> thank you :)
<elfy> I've got to go again - cya over weekend perhaps
<wildmanne39> when considering threads for conversion should we consider threads that are aimed at one particular laptop?
<bodhi_zazen> how old wildmanne39 ?
<wildmanne39> bodhi_zazen, 6 months covers 11.10
<wildmanne39> pretty sure works with 12.04 too
<bodhi_zazen> link please
<bodhi_zazen> I will look
<bodhi_zazen> There is a hardware tag for the wiki
<wildmanne39> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1867367
<wildmanne39> I am not sure that laptop only uses one wireless card though
<bodhi_zazen> Looks reasonably up to date and complete
#ubuntu-wiki 2012-05-26
<bodhi_zazen> did you by chance contact the OP ?
<bodhi_zazen> I would add a caution about upgrading BIOS
<wildmanne39> not yet and I was going to add a warning about upgrading the bios I never recommend it unless absolutely needed
<wildmanne39> thank you
#ubuntu-wiki 2012-05-27
<wildmanne39> hi elfy should we go ahead and convert the threads that bobweaver put on the import list?
#ubuntu-wiki 2012-05-28
<wildmanne39> elfy is there away to say get post 44 of a thread to convert instead of post 1? I tried but have failed
<elfy> not sure - let me have a dig
<wildmanne39> this is the thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10796508/postcount44
<wildmanne39> ok
<elfy> seems to do that - go to the thread - then click on the post number - you'll just get the post in a seperate window - use that URL - seems to work here
<elfy> wildmanne - you got the most up to date version of the script - should be 0.4
<wildmanne39> I believe let me look
<wildmanne39> yes I do, I get a page to open but it is not that page
<elfy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10796508&postcount=44
<elfy> try that
<wildmanne39> ok thanks I thought I had the wrong format at the end
<wildmanne39> yeah that did it thank you save me a lot of work
<wildmanne39> :)
<elfy> woot - that's what teams are good for :)
<wildmanne39> yep we all need help sometimes
<elfy> threads where there are more than one post needing to go in the wiki will need each to be converted and then added together I guess
<wildmanne39> yes that is my thought too
<wildmanne39> some arw a mess
<wildmanne39> are
<elfy> another good reason for people to look at the results before letting it out
<elfy> personally I think we should all have sandboxes
<wildmanne39> elfy you know in my sandbox no formating will work I have to create a new page just to work on it
<elfy> oh - wonder why that is
<elfy> there's the forum wikli team one and you can use mine if you need to
<wildmanne39> I do not know but I have tried several times and it is always the same
<wildmanne39> I have added some threads to the rejected list also
<elfy> oh good one - I've not had time to look at that for a while
<elfy> I've not had much time fullstop
<wildmanne39> I know what you mean I am doing as much as I can now I will be gone for about a week next month starting around the 7th
<elfy> we can pretend to be a tag team then - I'll be back properly about then
<elfy> :)
<wildmanne39> there you go that is
<wildmanne39> how teams work my cat hit the enter key while I was still typing
<elfy> LOL
<wildmanne39> she has to be as close as she can get
<elfy> :)
<wildmanne39> this is one is bobweavers he asked me to add some pictures but they are large I think that is going to be a problem
<elfy> oh - you can set the size of the image
<elfy> have a look at this one I did https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ForumWikiTeam/ImportTool
<elfy> the last two images were big so I did [[attachment:gedit.png|{{attachment:gedit.png||width=750}}]]
<elfy> took a while to get the size right - but you'll get the idea
<wildmanne39> ok I see that is a nice thing to know
<elfy> I assume you've seen the various wiki formatting pages ?
<wildmanne39> tell me do you see a good way to integrate this page http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1799571&page=2 with the previous link I gave you?
<wildmanne39> yes I have some things I do not understand like color text
<elfy> I not looked at that yet - but I'd look for a page that had some :)
<elfy> the whole page? ^^
<wildmanne39> I think so or maybe just the pictures but I think that would be confusing I would rather leave that page out
<wildmanne39> also the link to the driver is dead I need to find another one
<elfy> oic - this is the stuff bobweaver thinks should be in the page
<wildmanne39> yes he asked me to add the pics from the second page but I am not sure how to combine it with the first with out doing a lot of rewriting
<elfy> wildmanne39: I would be inclined to not - do the wiki with the original information - the wiki is community based - if the community want to enhance they can
<elfy> si my stance
<wildmanne39> so just do the first page and let him edit as he wishes
<elfy> otherwise we will get into a situation where post #5 of this thread, #72 of that one, #13 of the other would be best if they were all in the wiki page for post #1 of a completely different thread
<wildmanne39> I see and that is a problem for me
<elfy> yes - I would say so - if it was a matter of adding a bit here and there then that is different
<wildmanne39> someone has already added the page but they had the first page and it makes no sense
<elfy> I've not got any problem with anyone doing as they wish - but the 'team' position should be different perhaps :)
<elfy> well there's nothing wrong with editing the exisiting wiki if it is wrong or making no sense
<wildmanne39> I think you are right it is a big project and we can not do it all
<elfy> exactly
<wildmanne39> that is what I am going to do someone added the first page and left it that way but it is not the page that was intended to be added
<elfy> you are right to want to change it all then :)
<wildmanne39> ok thanks I am going to get started
<elfy> k
#ubuntu-wiki 2012-05-29
<hobgoblin> hi hannie
<hannie> hoi hobgoblin
<hannie> how's life?
<hobgoblin> how is it in manual world ?
<hobgoblin> ok here thanks - you?
<hannie> busy, busy
<hannie> When the authoring phase is done this week we start the editing part
<hannie> I am coordinating the editors work
<hobgoblin> I know - I joined the LP team and been watching the m/l :)
<hobgoblin> and saw your googledoc thing too
<hannie> good!
<hannie> I am just updating it again
<hobgoblin> never ending task - at least till it's all done :)
<hannie> How is the import ing of tutorials going? I have not done very much lately on that as you have seen :(
<hannie> I answered Cortman about one of the tutorials on the list
<hobgoblin> it is keeping pace with itself at the moment - I will be full on after Thursday - so it will rapidly gather some momentum after that
<hannie> ah, wonderful
<hobgoblin> ok - I think cortman keeps answering people rather than the list lol
<hannie> yeah, he wants to wikify tutorials, but they have to be sorted out first which is the time consuming part of the job
<hobgoblin> yea
<hobgoblin> it's not so simple if the wiki needs work after the tool has converted
<hannie> preferably it is done as soon as it has been wikified
<hobgoblin> yea - I do the conversion - copy it to sandbox - then work on it at my leisure and then move it to wiki proper once it is finished
<hannie> we must still try to find the easiest workflow
<hannie> that sounds good, the way you do it
<hobgoblin> I think so - at least it works for me - and the 'real' wiki is only there once I am happy with it
<hannie> is it necessary to copy it to sandbox first?
<hannie> how many tutorials have you already done?
<hobgoblin> only in as much as you need to check hwo it looks - until I get the wiki syntax in my head - seeing is better
<hannie> ok
<hobgoblin> not sure - 5 or 6 I think - I have a bunch due at the 2 week mark soon
<hannie> Well back to my inbox now. Need to answer a couple of emails
<hobgoblin> but I've not been checking the forum much of late
<hobgoblin> yeap - cya
<hannie> cya
<hobgoblin> hello JonEdney
<hobgoblin> I assume that as you are in here you intend to be helping us then :)
<JonEdney> Hey hobgoblin yeah
<hobgoblin> cool :)
<JonEdney> I want to help the Ubuntu community everywhere I can.
<hobgoblin> got a link to your forum id - so I know who you are there
<JonEdney> Sure, Im on them now let me get it
<JonEdney> http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=1613863
<hobgoblin> cool - thanks :) might want to join this - as we're all over the palce tzone wise - m/list wins :)
<hobgoblin> https://launchpad.net/~ubforums2ubwiki
<JonEdney> Ah great, I'll do that now.
<hobgoblin> nice one
<hobgoblin> send a mail to the list introducing yourself - most know you from #ubuntuforums but not everyone does :)
<JonEdney> yup yup
<hobgoblin> JonEdney: you know what we are up to?
<JonEdney> Yes.  While I cant think of the name of the forum off the top of my head, you're converting it into Wiki articles.
<hobgoblin> yep :)
<hobgoblin> tutorials and tips
<JonEdney> Thats a great idea.  Not only gets everything organized in one place, but would also clean out the forum.
#ubuntu-wiki 2012-05-30
<hobgoblin> IAmNotThatGuy: you know that you can find tutorials which would be useful as wiki's and add them to the page
<hobgoblin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Pages%20For%20Import
<hobgoblin> if you want a copy of the generic PM to send people then just ask
<hobgoblin> IAmNotThatGuy: did you get those?
<IAmNotThatGuy> hobgoblin, No
<hobgoblin> IAmNotThatGuy: yay for logs - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/05/30/%23ubuntu-wiki.html
<IAmNotThatGuy> Will look at the tutorials hobgoblin. Today I read about Wake-on-LAN tutorial in forums
<IAmNotThatGuy> check it if it is worthy enough
<hobgoblin> thanks
<IAmNotThatGuy> I have read lots of posts from bodhi. Many tutorials are much useful
<hobgoblin> many are wiki'd already :)
<IAmNotThatGuy> okies
<hobgoblin> IAmNotThatGuy: there is an index of current wiki's if you didn't know
<IAmNotThatGuy> he us the library of tutorials ;D
<hobgoblin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TitleIndex
<hobgoblin> yea
 * IAmNotThatGuy saves the page
<IAmNotThatGuy> hobgoblin, do you know what åæ ¸/ç¼è¯ means? :P coz I dont know ;D
<hobgoblin> no idea at all
<IAmNotThatGuy> Kernel / compile
<IAmNotThatGuy> YAY. Google translate rockz ;D
<hobgoblin> lubuntu mailing list name perhaps?
<IAmNotThatGuy> lol no :P

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