#ubuntu-community-team 2010-08-01 <doctormo> paultag: wifi on the bus, if I were on a dataplan I wouldn't have to share with the youtube yokels. <paultag> doctormo: it can't be worse then 3G * pleia2 chuckles at "youtube yokels" <doctormo> paultag: Never had it so can't tell, it waivers between 16 and 3kbs though. <paultag> doctormo: still doing better then dialup over cell <pleia2> there is a guy who comes to one of the lugs around here and doesn't have internet at home, he: 1) complains that all public wifi is slow 2) admits to torrenting the whole time he's on public wifi because he doesn't have a tv either * pleia2 headdesk <paultag> doh!!! <paultag> pleia2: PA or out west? <pleia2> out west <pleia2> you know berkeley people, buncha nutters :) <paultag> aye aye <paultag> doctormo: fight back! Listen to youtube yourself! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHBoOb2WafM <paultag> doctormo: more! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 <paultag> first one is awesome, second is great too <doctormo> pleia2: Your friend sounds like he should set of a media anarchist collective. <doctormo> paultag: Arrived, just in case I disappear before I arrive tomorrow :-) <paultag> doctormo: yuppers :) <paultag> doctormo: say hi to my buddies, will ya? <doctormo> paultag, czajkowski: I've hacked out a basic blog entry linker for the loco website while I was on the bus. The idea is to give a space for people who run events to do one of two things. Link to the blog or wiki page where their event's report is, or write a short amount in the entry it's self. <paultag> doctormo: is this a long-winded plot to not do team reports? <doctormo> It's not pushed or committed yet, I'm playing with how to make it smooth to use and easy to tie to what ever people are using. I guess it would appear sort of like a simple planet but tied to event entries in the loco directory. <paultag> doctormo: I think it's a good idea, but it's duplicate work, the team reports do that :/ <doctormo> paultag: How can it be? I'm not my loco's contact any more. Actually it's what I said I would do. <paultag> doctormo: and the team reports are Ubuntu std, so we can't change on the LoCo level, we'd have to change on the Ubuntu community level <paultag> doctormo: Aye, I know <paultag> doctormo: just beware spending time on something that will be outside the workflow :( <doctormo> Well we can discuss the ins and outs of the politics if you want. I was thinking more of technical thought right now. <pleia2> paultag: people really do hate writing team reports :\ <pleia2> nhandler has been the champion of it for quite some time, it's gotten better but as soon as you stop nudging people they stop doing it <paultag> pleia2: yeah I know <paultag> pleia2: I am baddddd-d at doing them <pleia2> I think any solution to facilitate them is worth trying <paultag> mm <doctormo> paultag, czajkowski: what is currently the data flow for reports? <paultag> doctormo: it's outlined on the wiki <doctormo> I mean all of it, from loco contact to mark's report book. you seemed to be saying that we couldn't change any part of it because it's a chain of things. <paultag> doctormo: check the wiki, or ask nhandler. I don't know the setup well <paultag> and that's why it's nice :) <doctormo> paultag: what is? <paultag> what is what? <paultag> my last sentince? the object of my last sentince, the setup, witch is a reference to my last sentince about reports <paultag> which * <paultag> darn, I need sleep * nigelb yawns <nigelb> pleia2: people are lazy or forget about team reports <nigelb> duanedesign: thanks. It was risky and I just gave it a shot <nigelb> doctormo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports <paultag> Anyone know autotools? <paultag> I've got quite frustrated with it. Considered writting my own build system out of spite <nigelb> lol @ 'out of spite' <doctormo> paultag: The best thing to do is have a week of sleep with the autotools manual under your pillow. <paultag> doctormo: learning by osmosis I guess <duanedesign> nigelb: heh, i know that feeling. Glad it turned out well <duanedesign> nigelb: we have combined the OKlahoma LoCo and Tulsa LUG monthly meetings. There started to be months were no one showed up. The Tulsa lUG has a solid group that shows up every month so it works out nice. <paultag> duanedesign: I miss Old_Solder <duanedesign> paultag: heh, i am suprised he has not resurfaced <paultag> duanedesign: I called his house and got in touch with him <duanedesign> i remember that <paultag> duanedesign: this was for the UBT Reunion nhandler and I had planned <paultag> duanedesign: Yeah, I'm bummed. I even had CK willing to send him a new computer <paultag> duanedesign: because his broked <duanedesign> paultag: i cant imagine contributing as much as he did and not ever wanting to get involved again when things got better <paultag> +1 duanedesign. I think it was a planned exit <paultag> duanedesign: I don't think he expected my call. It's OK, live and let live, but I think he is trying to stay out <duanedesign> paultag: yeah, i am sure he has his reasons <paultag> duanedesign: Aye. Best not pry. <duanedesign> paultag: no excuses! only one way out of the community! Blood in blood out! :D <paultag> duanedesign: seeing as how there is a gang that calls them self the locos, we should be careful with that <paultag> duanedesign: they are big in OK too IIRC <nigelb> lol <duanedesign> haha. <Pendulum> I'm at a wedding this weekend and 2 different people have come into my hotel room and gone "you have Tux!" and then I've had to pry them away from my Tux <nigelb> haha <Pendulum> yeah <Pendulum> I thought it was going to get more love than i did, but then I caught the bouquet which made my evening far more amusing than planned <nigelb> whooo! <vish> ooh! tabs in gedit are detachable! never noticed that one! <nigelb> vish: what are your plans for global jam? <vish> nigelb: hmm , plans? <vish> nigelb: whats yours ? maybe i can copy :D <nigelb> vish: we're planning for a meetup that day <nigelb> wanna join us? <nigelb> saturday 28th <vish> nigelb: havent been to B'lore in a while.. will think about it.. not sure though :) <nigelb> vish: ok, think of it. we have a location that can accomodate at least 30 people <sense> GUADEC 2010 Hate/Love Wall pictures: http://www.flickr.com/photos/qense/tags/hatelovewall/ <nigelb> sense: whats swith the love for vincent untz? <nigelb> s/swith/with <sense> nigelb: I guess he's the dholbach of GNOME. :P <nigelb> hahaha <nigelb> I particularly like the "people who post +1s" and the +1 immediately after it. <nigelb> lol @ KDE in hate <nigelb> also "LP bug watch for love/hate board is missing" <sense> yeah :) <sense> We need to add a way to watch a bug's status on the Hate/Love Wall in Launchpad. <sense> akgraner: What was the link to the "Ubuntu News Team is looking for you!" thing? <sense> I would like to mail it to someone who helped with 'content creation' on the website during GUADEC, I hope he might be interested. <nigelb> sense: http://akgraner.com/?p=627 <sense> nigelb: thanks! <doctormo> Morning paultag, feeling better? <paultag> doctormo: just tired <paultag> doctormo: have not been able to sleep lately <doctormo> paultag: The heat? I didn't get a tremendous amount of sleep last night either. <paultag> Aye <paultag> doctormo: spending my morning on latfh.com <doctormo> spent the morning talking to some debian guys and jcastro <paultag> yup <akgraner> Good Morning :-) <akgraner> afternoon or whatever time of day it is where you all may be :-) <nigelb> Night :D <AlanBell> afternoon akgraner <akgraner> hey! working Issue 204 of UWN this one is fun! :-) <akgraner> nigelb, have you pulled any LoCo news from this week? <akgraner> nigelb, sorry I should have asked in -news <akgraner> :-/ <nigelb> akgraner: I made news. I'll help pull it now ;) <akgraner> nigelb, see pm :-) <nhandler> Anyone from the Community Council working on a Team Report for July? <nhandler> Or the Technical Board? <pleia2> much of what the CC does is private dispute resolution and answering questions from the community, it'll be pretty rare for us to have something to report <nhandler> pleia2: True, but they do hold meetings (when enough people show up). Even a "Held regular monthly meeting on XXX-XX-XX: No items to discuss" would be nice. <pleia2> perhaps, I'll talk to other CC folks about it for next month <nhandler> Thanks pleia2 <akgraner> pleia2, thanks! <doctormo> paultag: Another quiet day <paultag> Sure is <paultag> I'm fixing my netbook... again. <paultag> Decided to try Arch <paultag> ditched it. pacman has some odd syntax. Trying Mint now <paultag> I also have a cool new tactic. I'm keeping an SD card flashed with an OS image and leaving it in <paultag> so if I need to do anything I can just F9 boot off SD <paultag> ditching mint. Grrr. <paultag> same kernel issue as Ubuntu <doctormo> paultag: That's not a surprise though, it's exactly the same kernel. <paultag> doctormo: they have a lot of diversions, so I thought the kernel would be modified as well <paultag> I forgot about the apt "Yes, do as I say!" #ubuntu-community-team 2010-08-02 <nigelb> where is everyone today ... <nigelb> no dholbach or dpm <sense> Holidays? <sense> and DebConf is currently going on, although it is mostly attended by the American part of our community, I think. <sense> Jorge is there for sure. <dholbach> good morning <nigelb> dholbach: nursing a bad hangover? ;) <nigelb> sense: ^^ :D <sense> nigelb: See! Daniel is here today. <nigelb> sense: yeah jorge, doctormo, and maco are there. <sense> Jorge had to leave early at GUADEC for DebConf. <sense> and some rest, probably ;) <nigelb> dholbach: I did wonder if you were on leave :D <dholbach> nigelb: no, not at all <dholbach> nigelb: on leave? <nigelb> dholbach: heh, you were late ;) <dholbach> nigelb: are you my boss now? <dholbach> working for too many bosses in here <nigelb> dholbach: LOL <nigelb> dholbach: I just wanted to get your idea of what exactly you wanted us to do for UGJ * nigelb didn't want to fill your overstuffed mailbox <dholbach> nigelb: ask folks to participate in operation cleansweep as part of local packaging or bug jams <nigelb> dholbach: just like bugs, another part of it right? <dholbach> yeah or of packaging <nigelb> ok, awesome. I'll write up something tonight <nigelb> in other news, I just got venue confirmation for a local bug jam as part of UGJ :) <nigelb> vish: if you're not having a bug jam in cbe, come over to bangalore for a weekend and jam with us :) <dholbach> yooohooo <popey> Morning all! <nigelb> morning popey, randa_ :) <randa_> hi nigelb :) <nigelb> randa: heh, your nick looks better without the _ :) <randa> nigelb: thanks but it is registered I think :/ it's asking me for a password that I dont have <dholbach> hola randa <dholbach> hey popey <randa> hi dholbach <duanedesign> 1/8 <duanedesign> oops :P <dpm> good morning all <nigelb> morning dpm :) <dholbach> hola dpm! <dholbach> dpm: Â¡COGE EL AVE! <dpm> haha <dpm> how's everyone doing? * dholbach had a fantastic WE * nigelb too <dpm> awesome :) <dpm> me too, glad to be back home after Prague and The Hague * vish wonders if nigelb has short-term amnesia ;) <nigelb> vish: huh? <nigelb> vish: what? why? <vish> nigelb: we discussed the same UGJ yesterday probably around the same time :p <dholbach> nigelb: I'll blog about ugj+cleansweep myself now <nigelb> vish: I was reminding you <nigelb> vish: probaly if I bug you enough, I might convince you to come :D * dholbach â lunch + back to home desk <czajkowski> aloha * nigelb waves to czajkowski :) <czajkowski> just popping in and gone in a wee bit <czajkowski> we've a bank holiday over here <dpm> nice <dpm> hi czajkowski <paultag_> Morning, all <dholbach> james_w: shame I couldn't give you the coordinates in time on saturday :) <james_w> :-) <james_w> it sounded like fun <dholbach> it definitely was <dholbach> james_w: can you block 'ying' from !ubuntudevelopers? <james_w> done <dholbach> I mean there's nothing wrong with adult toys but it might be a bit off topic in that group :-P <dholbach> james_w: gracias <highvoltage> good morning! <dholbach> hey jono <jono> hey dholbach <jono> kim0, just give me a min, gonna be a few late <jono> wrapping a call <kim0> jono: tyt <jono> kim0, sorry bit delayed, forgot I had not installed mumble on my new box <jono> one sec <kim0> okie <kim0> jono: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-m-cloud-portal <jono> kim0, http://uds.recreantview.org/foo <jono> dholbach, free now if you want to get started? <nigelb> paultag: what was that about? <jono> LOL, I love how Sam Varghese accuses Mark and I of spin <jono> the irony is beautiful <nigelb> jono: that guy is so shameless <nigelb> I still haven't met him but he seems notorious <jono> nigelb, it is stunning <jono> he peddles controversy under the banner of journalism <jono> he is a snake <nigelb> I know <nigelb> I read about his comments after a few confs <dholbach> jono: let's do it <jono> dholbach, sure, one sec, wrapping an email <doctormo> hey jono <doctormo> nigelb: Well this whole thing is a controversy out of nothing much. Talking to people djennings@example.org. I understand where it's come from though. Is Sam a gnome guy or a media guy? <sense> jono: Received my mail about the livestream? <nigelb> doctormo: he claims to be media. definitely not gnome guy <jcastro> jono: got time for a quick catch up? <sense> Jono the Acolyte ftw! <jono> jcastro, on the phone, can I ping you soon <jono> dholbach, http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-community-maverick-alpha-3.html <jcastro> jono: yep, I have a talk in 4 hours, and mark's is in 3 hours, before then would be ideal I think <jono> jcastro, cool, when I wrap with dholbach I will ping you <jcastro> jono: I am on conf wifi so if I don't respond feel free to ring me up <paultag> nigelb: humm? <nigelb> paultag: the facebook comment... I didn't understand what you meant <nigelb> dholbach: poke? got a min? <dholbach> nigelb: in a call <paultag> nigelb: Haha, it's what you say when you "sult" ( Insult ) someone <dholbach> nigelb: can you tell me how I can help and I get back to you in a bit? <nigelb> dholbach: I'll PM ya :) <dholbach> alright, calling it a day <dholbach> see you guys tomorrow! <doctormo> maco: Say it on IRC <maco> doctormo: i just heard an ubuntu machine boot <maco> doctormo: what the heck client are you usiing? looks funny <doctormo> maco: Empathy <maco> oh <doctormo> maco: It's a really messed up irc client <maco> doctormo: doesnt appear to djennings@example.org... ok those menus youre showing me are really odd <doctormo> maco: type something to me now and watcht the screen <maco> doctormo: ping <doctormo> maco: This IRC client won't do whois either, as well as not being able to logon to the SERV <pleia2> doctormo: we're considering putting the lernid config file up on ubuntu-owl.org, I can just toss that in the bzr thing you have on lp and request a merge, right? do we have the ubuntu-owl docroot set up to automatically pull the branch or is it manual? <doctormo> pleia2: You can grab the lp branch for the website I think and then request a merge. <pleia2> great <doctormo> I don't _think_ it's automatic yet (the part about putting it online) but there is a gcfunction which makes it a single button to publish. <pleia2> ok, we'll I'll get the file committed and we can take it from there <pleia2> thanks :) <jcastro> popey: wow, so much for that channel <doctormo> jcastro: channel? <popey> haha <jcastro> hey popey <jcastro> http://debconf10.debconf.org/ <jcastro> can you spread the word on the live streams? Mark is talking about unity and I am talking about collaboration between the projects <maco> jcastro: did you think you saw popey in one of the photos during last nigiht's slideshow too? <jcastro> http://penta.debconf.org/dc10_schedule/day_2010-08-02.en.html <jcastro> ^^^ <popey> wut wut wuy? <jcastro> maco: I have visions of popey appearing everywhere. <jcastro> I had a bagel and I thought I could see his face in the bagel. <sense> jcastro: You did keep it, right? <jcastro> no, it was delicious <sense> aww, it could have become a relic, attracting thousands of visitors each year, but you ate it! <jcastro> I don't want to deify him <sense> He isn't worthy? <jcastro> he's amazing, but he's not like, muad'dib or something, heh <vish> Dune! <sense> Don't know it! <vish> sense: its the star wars of old timers ;p <jcastro> I've been reading it since I left for this trip of doom. <sense> Trip of Doom is? <maco> jcastro: doom? being outside of flyover country is doom? <jcastro> sprint/guadec/debconf <sense> ah <maco> ahhh <sense> ahhhhhh <sense> The poor guy will need a quite long holiday after DebConf. <jcastro> I will face my fear, I will let it pass through me. <jcastro> </dune> <doctormo> The spice is the bloody worm. <doctormo> < northern dune <doctormo> jcastro: I'll do it in person, it's funnier that way. <sense> Hurray! The GTK+ compilation has arrived in the -doc mode at long last! <sense> My system is supposed to be quadcore! <sense> And GTK+ is unbroken again! GNOME Panel works. <Technoviking> jcastro: For he is the Kumquat HÃ¤agen-Dazs </dune> <vish> sense: lol! we everyone contributes , that doesnt solve the 1% problem ;) <vish> err! , s/we/if <sense> vish: Sssh, don't tell the rest! As long as more people will contribute I'm fine with it! <vish> sense: yup, there are a lot of people just talking/ranting than contributing :) * vish wonders why Michael Meeks' blog/daily-report is on the gnome planet o.0 <vish> everyday , a post titled <Date>,<Day> weird, boring.. ;p <sense> Aww, paper cuts down to 44 new ones. I should have helped keeping that djennings@example.org. <sense> Darn the descriptions! :P <czajkowski> so how is everyone today ? <sense> Wasted half the day on compiling and testing a few lines of code, but it still isn't working properly. :S <czajkowski> :( <sense> It takes so damn long for GTK+ to compile. <sense> It's much easier to test Python. <sense> Why can't we run C interpreted! :P <sense> The Debconf streaming isn't perfect, quite some stuttering. <sense> I guess jcastro is now up at Debconf? <czajkowski> aye I'd say so <czajkowski> poor c13:55 < paultag> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mhall119/loco-directory/fixes-609695/+merge/31227 <czajkowski> bah <sense> go jcastro! <JanC> <sense> Why can't we run C interpreted! :P <JanC> you can... #ubuntu-community-team 2010-08-03 <ara> good morning all! <ara> buenos dÃ­as, dpm <dpm> hola ara! Ya estÃ¡s de vuelta? <ara> dpm, me temo que sÃ­ :( <dpm> :) bueno, fue todo bien? <dpm> and good morning everyone! <ara> dpm, muy bien, muy bien <dpm> :-) <czajkowski> aloha <dpm> morning czajkowski <czajkowski> dpm: hey there <nigelb> morning ara, dpm and czajkowski :) <ara> hey nigelb! <dpm> morning nigelb <nigelb> dpm: somone I met at the local ubuntu hour was very keen on working with fonts. <nigelb> I'll send him your way soon :) <nigelb> fonts = fonts for localization <dpm> nigelb, ok sounds good :) <sense> good morning everyone! <dholbach> good morning <dholbach> hola ara - back again? <dholbach> ara: how was your trip? :) <ara> hey dholbach, yes, back again. It was very nice :) * dholbach hugs ara * ara hugs dholbach back <dholbach> ara: did you bring the rain to Berlin or was it somebody else? :) * ara is not guilty <sense> As long as it stays in Berlin... <dholbach> well, it's more drizzling than raining :) <ara> I am happy with it, it was too hot in Spain :) <czajkowski> ara: you should move to Ireland, definately not too hot <czajkowski> so GUADEC in Berlin next year <dholbach> czajkowski: ccm was involved in the discussions there :) <czajkowski> ahh :) <sense> I was speculating with someone whether the next GUADEC would be in Brazil next year, but then I realised there was an E in GUADEC and everything made sense again. <dpm> morning dholbach, morning sense <dholbach> hey dpm <sense> good morning dpm <sense> Spain (and Portugal), I think, is the only country in the EU with a proper summer right now. <sense> Typical. <nigelb> sense: e? <sense> nigelb: We have some sun here as well, but of course Spain and Portugal are having the real summer temperatures. I think they stole it from us, we had warmer weather a few weaks ago as well! <sense> Wait, nigelb: shouldn't you be in bed right now? <nigelb> sense: Its lunch time! <sense> ah, time zone the other way around <nigelb> sense: I was asking about the "E in GUADEC" <sense> Of course, it's the oriental. <sense> nigelb: GNOME Users' And Developers' EUROPEAN Conference <nigelb> ah, European :D * nigelb waves to dholbach <sense> Brazil was a European possession a while ago, but certainly not anymore. <dholbach> hey nigelb <nigelb> sense: don't get kicked :D <nigelb> sense: its like suggesting USA "used to be european" :p <sense> nigelb: I didn't say it was European, I said Europeans claimed it as their possession! <nigelb> sense: lol <sense> You can't really say that India was British either, it has always been Indian. But it was a British possession for a while, absurdly. <nigelb> heh <sense> nigelb: Because otherwise that would mean your ancestors were British! <sense> and that Mayalayam is a former British language, like Welsh <nigelb> sense: that would be extremely funny <nigelb> especially even hearing Malayalam being pronounced with a British accent :D <sense> ah! swapped the l and the y <nigelb> haha, its a palindrome! <sense> nigelb: Posh Malayalam! :P <sense> nigelb: practise it for the next UDS! <sense> You'll sure get sponsored, I'd reckon. <nigelb> I certainly hope I get sponsored. <sense> nigelb: What's the furthest place you've been outside India? <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoHealthCheck is on tonight <sense> czajkowski: Yeah, I'm poking some extra people today about that. <czajkowski> sense: good stuff <sense> czajkowski: We do have open forums right now! We just need to get used to communicating in an open way. It is a sign of improvement though we're now there. <czajkowski> sense: indeed <czajkowski> it's also good to see some teams who never used team reports or not done any in a long time back on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue204#Ubuntu LoCo Teams <sense> yeah <sense> Your efforts are showing some results. <czajkowski> not mine <czajkowski> others <sense> your as in plural <czajkowski> I just poke/prod <czajkowski> ahh ye :) <sense> The English language can be limiting sometimes. ;) <czajkowski> ye is you plural <czajkowski> it's old english but used <sense> useful <czajkowski> I'm full of useless stuff :) <czajkowski> right <sense> Now lets see if the teams will stick to the reports for the two years. <czajkowski> time to drive the princess(sister) to work and then drive back to Limerick. Offline for next few hours <sense> ok <sense> czajkowski: You're her personal driver? <czajkowski> I am today, I drove her up to Drogheda last night <nigelb> sense: lol, can't you make out from what she calls here sister? ;) <nigelb> s/here/her <czajkowski> as we had a bank holiday over here so traffic was mental and I'd get there a lot quicker driving than she would using busses and trains <sense> ah <czajkowski> <--- Gone <dholbach> hola randa_ <randa_> hi dholbach <dholbach> hey vish <vish> dholbach: hey! :) * popey wonders if doctormo has seen debian bug 591453 <ubot2> Debian bug 591453 in conquest "conqoper: expletives in error message" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/591453 <vish> popey: seems like it was filed after doctormo's blog :) <popey> yeah <popey> there's an older bug about it too <popey> debian bug 338208 <ubot2> Debian bug 338208 in conquest "Cannot initialize universe" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/338208 <popey> which mentions the message <popey> thing is though that code pre-dates ubuntu by some considerable margin <nigelb> who owns a mac here? is there quick time for linux? <jussi> nigelb: I have a mac at home, what do you need? <jussi> macbook, to be precise <nigelb> jussi: is there a way to play quicktime? <jussi> nigelb: in linux? <nigelb> sigh. the questions I get asked being the only "linux guy" at work <nigelb> jussi: yeah. mediubuntu will do? <jussi> nigelb: ubuntu-restricted-extras should have what you need iirc <jussi> !quicktime <ubot2> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/musicvideophotos/C/video.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats * nigelb hugs jussi :) <jussi> :) <czajkowski> Back <AlanBell> Forwards <nigelb> lol <paultag> So, scarry day today <paultag> it's been two years - 6 days from my Ubuntu Membership <paultag> just got my 6 day's notice that I will expire <popey> click the button to renew it :) <paultag> popey: well I can't just do that <popey> yes you can <paultag> popey: that cheepens the whole thing <popey> thats what everyone does <paultag> popey: I'm writing up a blog post about where I was, where I am now and where I want to be :) <popey> its "the way" <paultag> popey: then I'll renew <paultag> popey: I feel that the whole reason to renew is to get you to think about it <popey> would you like me to remove you from ~ubuntumembers? :D <paultag> hahaha, oh noes! <popey> I'm helpful like that <paultag> :P <czajkowski> popey: please don't we kinda need him on the loco council, he's kinda useful <paultag> Oh gee. Glad I can slave away <popey> "kinda" <popey> :) <popey> nice backhander there :) <paultag> haha <paultag> I love backhanded comments <nigelb> "kinda" - I agree popey. Nice backhand. * popey hugs paultag and czajkowski <paultag> Oh that's a good backhanded comment for just learning how to do it nigelb <popey> luncheronny! * paultag hugs popey <czajkowski> :) <czajkowski> hugs * paultag hugs czajkowski <paultag> so much loving' <paultag> it's like the circle of friends up in hurrr <czajkowski> popey: I hope you feel like that later when I finish emailing again :) <czajkowski> paultag: ^^^^^ * paultag sighs <paultag> more emails? <paultag> :P <nigelb> paultag: did you read carla's article about the gnome contributions thingy? <paultag> I'm staying far away from that flame war <nigelb> she does give us a backhand about the whole hugging thing <paultag> Hahaha <paultag> I'm not reading it <paultag> I read the first one <czajkowski> nigelb: link? <paultag> and that was enough. I was so done with it <nigelb> she's written well actually. I liked it <nigelb> http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-07-30-028-35-OS-CY-UB <paultag> it's flame / troll bait <nigelb> paultag: haha, not this one <paultag> don't take it, fisheys <nigelb> Who else besides Ubuntu welcomes everyone, and tries to maintain a sane, friendly community? My favorite distribution is Debian, but no way will I ever try to be contributor. If I were an ace coder I would rather eat dog doo than try to become a kernel contributor. Life is too short to waste living in a flame-proof suit. There are a lot of FOSS projects that build rational, productive communities. But none of them are as big as Ubuntu, a <nigelb> direct quote from her ^^ <paultag> hahahaha <paultag> Debian can be a bit harsh <paultag> they need a CoC and some hugs <nigelb> "In my grumpier moments their relentlessly positive, cult-like Kumbaya-or-else approach makes me want to turn the hose on them" - a backhand for the hugging and all the love :p <paultag> hahaha <paultag> Kumbaya-or-else, awesome <nigelb> haha * jussi hugs debian <jussi> and in regards to the whole "we dont contribute back to gnome" thing, last time I heard they were not accepting our patches... <paultag> another stat i'd care to look at: <paultag> lines of code per person <paultag> Red Hat is a huge company, Canonical is smaller <paultag> and the desktop folks are even smaller then that <paultag> so 16% might be fewer lines / person at RH <nigelb> also, we tend to give patches than commit code <nigelb> (and they tend to reject the patches) <nigelb> oh no! we're getting sucked int the argument. * paultag walks away <paultag> before I nick back to crabbytag <nigelb> lol <nigelb> I thought paultag was synonymous with crabytag :p <paultag> should be :P <jussi> hehe <paultag> last night my neck was *killing* me <nigelb> (strange! I got the spelling right) * jussi is hoping his internets get fixored today <paultag> and so I was being quite crabby to folks in ubt-team <paultag> so stlsaint told me to nick to crabbytag :) * nigelb is happy he's out then * paultag 's not <paultag> we need more senior members <paultag> we lost a few <nigelb> czajkowski: liked the article? ;) <czajkowski> nigelb: pretty interested <czajkowski> I've read a few of her articles and tbh, they are usually bashing someone in canonical so it's weird reading it from this point <nhandler> The Global Jam is at the end of August, right? If so, why is the Global Jam on loco.ubuntu.com setup for September 27-29 ? <czajkowski> eh <czajkowski> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/195/detail/ <czajkowski> no it's not..... <czajkowski> AUGUST <nhandler> czajkowski: If I click the button to add my own team's event, the Begin box only lets me select September 27-29 <nhandler> Hmm...Strange. A refresh fixed that <czajkowski> nhandler: you seeing things :p <czajkowski> nhandler: so in total this month, how many reports V last month ? <nhandler> I'm too young to be going crazy ;) <nhandler> czajkowski: I don't know. I can get you that info in a few minuts. Do you just care about loco teams? <paultag> morning nhandler <czajkowski> nhandler: yup loco teams, I think all of the boards bar CC and asia Board did team reports <nhandler> czajkowski: Well, not really. There were a few others that didn't. There are also some other teams in the community that are not doing them <nhandler> Hey paultag <nhandler> czajkowski: For LoCo teams, it was 17 compared to 14 last month <czajkowski> that's better * dholbach â lunch <czajkowski> ohh excellent idea * dpm quick lunch <sense> I'm always so happy when I've got stuff working; and then I break it. <sense> or something else breaks because of my stuff. <nigelb> ok, time for dinner and home.. catch y'all later :) <dpm> enjoy nigelb! <sense> Woot! A table is suddenly 20,000 pixels high and 1,800 pixels wide and I have no idea how it got that big! <dholbach> hey jono <czajkowski> jono: ello <doctormo> hey czajkowski <czajkowski> doctormo: hi <sense> hello doctormo, jono <jono> hey all :) <dpm> morning jono <jono> hey dpm <dholbach> jono: new LD release is out, we had to cowboy a fix in and discovered some new issues, but there's lots of good stuff in there <jono> dholbach, nice! <dholbach> jono: https://edge.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+milestone/0.2.14 <popey> \o/ * popey hugs dholbach <czajkowski> dholbach: does indeed rock! <dholbach> it was more like cjohnston, rww, daker, doctormo, mhall119 and nhandler rocked :) <dholbach> I rocked a little bit too :) * dholbach hugs you all back <popey> \o/ team <jono> dpm, logging in now <dpm> jono, ok! <popey> shouldn't "Teams without country" in http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ be "Teams without continent"? <popey> UK is under that category yet UK _is_ a country <czajkowski> well why aren't Ireland and UK under Europe? <dholbach> popey: does the team have a country set? <dholbach> popey: all countries have a continent set, I did that manually :) <czajkowski> dholbach: but shouldn't uk and ireland be under europe anyways? <dholbach> the countries are <dholbach> the LD has no way of knowing which country a TEAM is responsible for or active in <dholbach> so you need to set that <dholbach> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-uk <dholbach> Location: None Specified <dholbach> Languages: None Specified <cjohnston> dholbach: is there anyway of getting the continents set somehow to be in the branch so that when we download its there? <popey> ahhh <popey> i cant edit that <popey> should I be able to as I'm loco-council? <czajkowski> I cant edit ireland either <dholbach> popey: I thought so, if not, please file a bug <dholbach> cjohnston: as reference I used wikipedia <dholbach> cjohnston: no, there's no way to do that right now - if you want that functionality, please file a bug <dholbach> but I doubt I have time to work on it <cjohnston> {% if is_admin %}<a class="sub-nav-item" href="{% url team-edit team.lp_name %}" title="{% trans "Edit team details" %}">{% trans "Edit team details" %}</a>{% endif %} <cjohnston> So the link only shows if your admin <czajkowski> jono: LoCo council meeting on TONIGHT https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda <czajkowski> popey: it seems there is no edit button on the page <czajkowski> poked ebel in -ie to edit ireland * popey files a bug <popey> bug 613057 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 613057 in loco-directory "no edit button for members of loco council (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613057 <dpm_> wohoo!, back from massive computer breakage <dpm_> the joys of running the development version <czajkowski> nigelb: ping <czajkowski> jono: ping pong my dear <dholbach> ok my friends - I call it a day <dholbach> see you all tomorrow <paultag> czajkowski: oi, it's today :) <czajkowski> aye I said that.... <paultag> 12:11:30 < czajkowski> jono: LoCo council meeting on TONIGHT <paultag> czajkowski: even in caps :) <czajkowski> today is tonight for some of us my dear <paultag> not where jon[o] is <paultag> :P <pleia2> yeah it's still morning here :) <paultag> just past noon here <czajkowski> sense: PING! <sense> jono: I pushed the social livestream code to <https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~sense/sociaal/sociaal>. It is a WordPress plugin, and far from stable, but if you really want you can take a djennings@example.org. <jono> czajkowski, hey <jono> sense, nice! <czajkowski> jono: meeting on later, any items you'd liek to add, short meeting so a good time to bring things up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda <jono> czajkowski, I don't really have anything to add, thanks for the update though <czajkowski> ok <sense> czajkowski: Idea! Ubuntu EU as the Ubuntu US of Europe! Get a Ubuntu version of the EU! ;) * paultag grumbles <sense> Would be useful, though, to make other European LoCos aware of their services and maybe also to clarify the way the LoCoCouncil looks to/certifies teams like Ubuntu EU. <paultag> the -us system is so far messed up <sense> (considering Ubuntu US, Ubuntu IN and other Ubuntu LargeCountry) <paultag> I don't think we should model anything after us <czajkowski> sense: the USA mentoring thingy doesnt work as far as I can see <czajkowski> I've had 2 teams mail me in the last 2 weeks saying not going gor approved as they dont do anything <pleia2> ouch :( <paultag> Well hey now <pleia2> we only mentor teams that want help <sense> That's a shame. <paultag> that's what we're looking for <sense> czajkowski: But do you think the idea of mentoring a LoCo is a good one? <paultag> We can help if we need, but people don't care enough to make themself as inactive <pleia2> they come to us when they want assistance, we don't drag them through the steps of approval if people there aren't active <paultag> its good if we can help them, but if they don't want to do anything, it's on them <czajkowski> sense: you're asking me in the middle of a meeting when I'm trying to run a meeting <czajkowski> can you catch me about this afterwards <czajkowski> :) <paultag> meeting recursion! * pleia2 sighs <czajkowski> I know I'm good at being in multiple places, but come on :) * czajkowski hugs pleia2 <pleia2> czajkowski: that hurt <pleia2> :( <pleia2> I put a lot of work into US Teams, we're helping a number of teams <czajkowski> pleia2: sorry I didnt mean it to come out that way <sense> czajkowski: Whoops, I think I'm too easily distracted by side-paths in my mind. * pleia2 hugs czajkowski <pleia2> thanks <czajkowski> pleia2: for me what I found, and maybe this is just the experience of 2-3 but same folks are in one team are in others and wires are getting crossed. I'd be happier to see folks work on their own team and coming to the council (LC) if they need help <czajkowski> not when they want to not be approved... <czajkowski> if that makes sense ? <paultag> I think the US Mentors should be front-line <paultag> we can't handle helping every team with the attention needed <czajkowski> *nods* <sense> It is true that adding region-bound megateams would add another layer of complexity. It may be better to build a mentoring programme in the international community so all LoCos can benefit. <pleia2> czajkowski: most of what we do is just tell people how to get forums, where their mailing lists are, the basics <paultag> but there is a *lot* in the US that needs changed :) <pleia2> if we need anything serious we send them to the council <paultag> +1 pleia2 <czajkowski> *nods* <pleia2> there have been a couple of times when wires got crossed, but that happens with every team, it's not because our project is a bad one, we're not perfect <pleia2> but you guys are busy enough without having to answer the "where is my loco?" question for every person who drops by #ubuntu-us :) <paultag> for sure pleia2 <czajkowski> aye so true <sense> The LoCo-finder functionality is a useful one. ;) <paultag> Speaking of, I need to make sure my LoCo teams for US that I was mentoring get a new mentor ( at least one of them ) <paultag> Idaho, Nebraska <pleia2> sense: most of the people come by with "I just started using ubuntu, I heard of this loco thing, where is mine?" they don't know about ubuntu wiki, or loco directory, or anything <paultag> I can hang on to one, but I've not heard anything from either of them <pleia2> anyway, back to work for me :) <czajkowski> jono: is there a bug somewhere that says the LP won't ever be translated into other languages? <dpm_> czajkowski, I'm not sure there is a bug, but there was certainly a discussion on launchpad-users or launchpad-dev. Let me see if I can find it... <czajkowski> dpm_: ohh you're here, tis rather late for you. thanks <dpm_> just idling a bit :-) <czajkowski> you over in debconf? <czajkowski> or back home home <sense> czajkowski: I think I could give you the bug number. <dpm_> czajkowski, ok, here's the thread on the translation of the LP site: https://lists.launchpad.net/launchpad-users/msg05687.html <czajkowski> dpm_: thank you <dpm_> no worries <akgraner> Hey all - I feel like I have been away forever :-/ <sense> akgraner: hello! <sense> How are you? <akgraner> sense great took some family time and haven't been available online as much (which btw isn't a bad thing) <akgraner> sense, sounded like GUADEC was a great time for ya? <jono> czajkowski, not that I am aware of <czajkowski> jono: thats what I thought, but not what folks think <jono> czajkowski, which folks? <czajkowski> loco folks <czajkowski> came up in health check <czajkowski> folks think the LP will never be translated <jono> czajkowski, raise this with dpm and he should send a statement to the community <czajkowski> ok <sense> akgraner: Smart idea to take some family time. ;) GUADEC sure was great. Lovely people. Different atmosphere than UDs, though. <sense> jono: I'm one of those folks. <sense> czajkowski, jono: The main reason why I believed it is because bug #3896 is marked as 'Won't Fix'. <ubot2> Launchpad bug 3896 in launchpad-foundations "Launchpad itself is not translatable in Launchpad (affects: 22) (dups: 4) (heat: 129)" [Low,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/3896 <sense> Also, it was marked Low. A bit disappointing, really. <sense> That's the reason for my fiery comment at the bottom. <dpm_> ok, time for dinner, see you all tomorrow! <sense> God, having multiple, intense discussions in two different languages, in which you post very long, complex sentences and thoughts, is tiring! <sense> it burns energy <czajkowski> sense: *hugs* <czajkowski> is that a long blog post written on the loco health check <sense> czajkowski: I'm not writing a blog post today, I suppose. <sense> czajkowski: You must be having this all days! Every day people wanting to discuss things with you! <czajkowski> :) <sense> How do you cope? <sense> czajkowski: The HealthCheck was at least good because it started some furhter discussion in Ubuntu NL, and also made more people aware of your existence, the existence of IRC and the existence of the #ubuntu-locoteams IRC channel. So an evening full of win! <czajkowski> sense: good to hear, I'll keep running the session if folks find it useful <sense> czajkowski: I find them useful! <sense> Except the add so much items to my ToDo list! ;) <czajkowski> community council meeting starting over in #ubuntu-meeting <huats> good evening everyone <czajkowski> huats: hey <huats> what a surprise czajkowski:) <czajkowski> I know :p <czajkowski> good LC meeting though <huats> it was <sense> Good night everyone, I'm shutting down! <doctormo> All the ubuntu people seem to be leaving DebConf. Is anyone left now that jcastro and maco are going tonight? <doctormo> Colin;s staying <doctormo> Time for bed! Bye all <popey> o/ <czajkowski> doctormo: I cant stay up for MA meeting <czajkowski> plus I cant see any agenda for meeting <jcastro> doctormo: mdz, robbie, keybuk, evan, doko, ccheney <nhandler> jcastro: If you are heading back to Michigan, say hi to nixternal (he is driving up this weekend iirc) #ubuntu-community-team 2010-08-04 <Pendulum> doctormo: meeting? * nigelb waves to kim0 <nigelb> good morning :) <jussi> what the heck! I just emailed to googles enterprise sales, and got permanent failure, on the address they gave me to send to!!! ??? * jussi doesnt get it <kim0> nigelb: Morning man :) * kim0 waves hi to everyone <nigelb> jussi: irony :/ <kim0> gmail fails too much <nigelb> heh <sense> good morning <dholbach> good morning <sense> morning dholbach <dholbach> hey sense <nigelb> morning dpm, dholbach :) <nigelb> and sense too <sense> morning nigelb, dpm <dholbach> heya nigelb <sense> I keep trying to autocomplete 'morning', but apparently XChat doesn't recognise that nick. <dpm> good morning all! <dholbach> hey dpm <jussi> sense: hehe, I do that often :P <sense> jussi: But you're supposed to know how IRC works! <sense> vishnoo! <jussi> sense: :D <vishnoo> sense, hey <sense> jussi: Now I've got your attention. vishnoo has been busy with a bug concerning the default IRC server in Empathy, which was set to Freenode. But there is also the Ubuntu Server in the list of IRCs ervers. <sense> jussi: What do we want to use? <jussi> irc.ubuntu.com port 8000 <vish> sense, yeah , already asked about that on -irc :) , hence filed the bug <sense> vish: OK, but then we don't want Freenode as the default IRC server in Empathy, right? <vish> sense, well , if that is what every documentation refers to , seems ok <sense> jussi: not 8001? <jussi> sorry, typo. <sense> ok <nigelb> vish: why the nick change, vishnoo looks better :) <sense> nigelb, vish: Yeah, use you're real name, like I did! <sense> Professionalise your online presence. <vish> sense: nigelb: well , my cloak is registered for vish and actually something crashed and all my xhcat config got wiped out :/ <nigelb> lol <sense> vish: You can register multiple nicknames to one account on Freenode. <vish> sense: yeah , but now i'm trying to figure out what went wrong ;) <sense> Report a bug! * jussi likes vish... <vish> :) <vish> sense: looks like you accidentally milestoned the metacity last bug to jaunty-updates :) <vish> s/last// <sense> huh? :P <sense> Really? <sense> Strange. <sense> vish: Thanks for noticing! <vish> np.. <ara> morning all! <dholbach> ara: hola SeÃ±orita <huats> morning <dholbach> salut huats <huats> morning dholbach <czajkowski> ALOHA folks <huats> morning czajkowski <dpm> morning czajkowski <dpm> hey huats, how's it going? :-) <huats> hello dpm ! <huats> I am fine thanks ! <huats> you ? <huats> not too heated in spain ? <dpm> no, no, today it's fine actually :) <huats> :) <sense> morning czajkowski <czajkowski> howdy * jussi shivers, quite cold here <nigelb> its sorta perfect here :) <sense> GUADEC group picture: <http://www.flickr.com/photos/nikslor/4859930116/in/set-72157624526513347/>. <dpm> sense, nice! <sense> dpm: Are you on it? <dpm> sense, yeah, right under the O and G from Hogeschool :) <sense> yay! <dpm> at the back <sense> I see you! <dpm> :-) <kim0> flickr accepts photos in tar files ?! <nigelb> whoa <paultag> that's nifty <paultag> Do they take tgz ? <nigelb> maybe you want bzip too :D <popey> RAR! <kim0> lol <paultag> I'm going to be honest. For a second I thought you said rwar popey <paultag> akgraner: have a sec? <paultag> Has to do with News'ey things <sense> dpm: How often does Launchpad import translations from GNOME? <dpm> sense, on every package upload, so the frequency depends on how often new packages are released. This is going to change, though, and soon translations will be imported directly from bzr branches mirrored from GNOME git, so it will be more like daily or so <sense> dpm: OK <sense> dpm: thanks! I'll pass that on to Ubuntu NL/GNOME NL <dpm> sense, there's more info on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/TranslationLifecycle as well <sense> dpm: Great, thanks! <dpm> and here: http://danilo.segan.org/blog/launchpad/automatic-translations-sharing :) <sense> thanks! <sense> dpm: Do you pronounce the double ll in your last name as the 'j' sound in the French wordt 'vanille', or not? <dpm> sense, it's not exactly like a j, but close, yes. <sense> dpm: Not the English/French j, of course. My bad, was thinking of Dutch here. <dpm> yeah, yeah, I got it when I saw the 'j' :) <dpm> sense, there is a (rather scary) sound sample here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palatal_lateral_approximant :-) <sense> dpm: I think that was about the sound I was thinking of! <dholbach> hey jono <jono> dholbach, hey <highvoltage> howdy community-team! <popey> YO! <sense> hallo! <highvoltage> hallo sense, hoe gaan dit? <sense> highvoltage: Alles goed hier, hoe gaat het met jou? <highvoltage> goed, dankie! <sense> It is possible! <sense> :P <highvoltage> :) <sense> We've made contact! <jono> dholbach, jcastro, dpm, kim0 about ready? <dholbach> jono: yep * kim0 plugging inmic <dpm> jono, all set here <highvoltage> have you met Mark van der Borre? we communicate quite easily :) <kim0> let's mumble <sense> highvoltage: Never met him, or at least was aware that I was meeting him. Let me google him. <sense> highvoltage: How's your French coming along? :) <sense> highvoltage: Nope, never met him. <sense> The drawings at his website do look familiar, though. <highvoltage> sense: slowly but surely :) <jono> hmm mumble problems <jono> brb <dholbach> jono: we can hear you <dholbach> â¦notâ¦ againâ¦ <kim0> crank up the volume <kim0> does alsa still default to being muted :) <kim0> jono: yes <dholbach> jono: we can hear you <kim0> pulseaudio -k ; pulseaudio * kim0 timing jono's boot speed <scott-work> jono, with all the talk about severed fifth's second album i went back and have been listening to the first one, i'm guessing most overlooked it but but the bass sound was really good i thought and the bass playing on 'kickback' and espeically 'war' were extremely enjoyable <jono> thanks scott-work :) <akgraner> hey paultag are you free now? <vish> hehe , Ben suggested OMG for a default bookmark ;) <popey> ! <nigelb> vish: right, you can make it a wishlist :p <vish> nigelb: huh! so you accept it as a wishlist? o.0 <vish> nigelb: "opinion" ;p <nigelb> vish: yes. In your dreams will it be done though. <paultag_> In the spirit of backhanded comments: vish why don't you ask someone who really knows how to get stuff finished? * vish confused! <vish> paultag_: " how to get stuff finished?" ?? <paultag_> I was making fun of nigelb vish * nigelb kicks paultag_ <paultag_> vish: I was trying to insinuate nigelb does not get anything done by a subtle backhanded comment <vish> paultag_: heh, not to worry , i never ask him though ;) he is like a black hole ;) <nigelb> vish: you missed yesterday's backhand "kinda" useful comment about paultag_ :D <AlanBell> #blamenigel <paultag_> nigelb: I seem to get that a lot <nigelb> paultag_: speaking of which, I did remind of you of something earlier today ;) <paultag_> "I was going to ask jon[o] but he is not around, so the loco council might be second best" <paultag_> that was said to me in locoteams one day <czajkowski> grin <paultag_> nigelb: I think, if it's what I think you're thinking <paultag_> czajkowski: PING! :) <czajkowski> oh dear <nigelb> AlanBell: #blamealan(s) <czajkowski> paultag_: yes.. <paultag_> czajkowski: I love that we have that on ping :) <paultag_> czajkowski: Oh no, nothing dear :) <paultag_> ( I'm trying to avoid ma'am ) <czajkowski> actuallly I have loco-council not loco council <paultag_> Perhaps I will use czajkowski dearest * czajkowski frowns at paultag_ <paultag_> czajkowski: Oh noes, well that does not work well, eh? <czajkowski> paultag_: so help me I'll fill your inbox up so fast * paultag_ sits back down <paultag_> my phone was almost dead yesterday because of you <paultag_> it was ringing all day <czajkowski> paultag_: give it a week shall do the last 8 <paultag_> :) <czajkowski> paultag_: you have mail <paultag_> czajkowski: sounds good to me :) <paultag_> czajkowski: I'll reply on thread <akgraner> paultag, you also have a PM from me :-) <paultag_> akgraner: woo! Wrong nick, though! <paultag_> ;) <akgraner> paultag, no musical
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