#ubuntu-laptop 2006-09-01 <Rroet> o/ <Rroet> any packard bell users here? <Burgundavia> packard bell? do they still make laptops? <Rroet> ;) <Rroet> I have a R3400 and still some issues getting my RaLink rt2500 to work with wpa <Burgundavia> have you looked on LaptopTestingTeam ? <Rroet> and I read about the laptop-testing on the ubuntu wiki. <Rroet> no r3400 series there <Rroet> But I'll digg through the other models <Rroet> Running 6.10 atm, cause 6.06 has issues with my chipset. <Rroet> Since I have an odd laptop there, I'll try to help update the wiki with accurate data about the laptop. <Burgundavia> very cool <Rroet> jep. You can install dapper in a way.. but it requires 2 cd's... :( <Nailor> Oh? Why? <Rroet> Well, the R3400 is a mobile sempron with a ati chipset. <Rroet> the only way to boot the dapper live cd is with a boot parameter acpi=off noapic nolapic <Rroet> but then in finallizing the install (everthing seems to work great) it crashes just before grub is installed. <Rroet> so I have a fully installed none-bootable system. <Rroet> so I worked arround it by booting / installing breezy then upgrading to dapper <Rroet> so 1 cd is enough, but it ain't dapper on that cd ;) <Rroet> problem with the ati chipset it's creating a io error with 8254 timer on IO-APIC .. error message was somewhat like that. <Rroet> This error continues throughout the entire selection of dapper kernels btw. I've tried from 2.6.15-23-k7/686 (tried both) till 2.6.15-26-* <Nailor> Uh. <Nailor> Well, the K7 kernel should be the one used with that cpu <Nailor> Really weird problem though <Nailor> Have you installed fglrx, the propietary ati drivers? <Rroet> no, it's even before that. <Rroet> the system won't boot in total <Rroet> let me digg up the error message <Rroet> 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC <Rroet> that's the exact message I get right after I select a specific kernel. <Rroet> it's a known but with the 2.6.15 kernel. <Rroet> It's fixed in 2.6.16 and 2.6.17 though. so don't sweat it. <Rroet> I read posts on both ubuntu mailinglists/forums about it being fixed in the dapper kernel, yet it doesn't seem to work. <Nailor> ok :) <Rroet> That's why I'm now running edgy on the laptop. Kind of a workarround. Before I ran dapper with a 2.6.16-ck12 kernel <Rroet> my laptop is actually very similar to the R32800 after reading the specs <Nailor> Are you planning to contribute your knowledge of your laptop to the wiki? <Rroet> Nailor: working on it right now :) <Rroet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsPackardBell <Rroet> I'll do a better and complete listing soonish. * Rroet is @ work :) <Nailor> MWah, I have a day off. :) <Nailor> Oh, haven't noticed that kind of list before. Better add my laptop to the Asus list too <schmoe> does asking where to find the canonical supplied laptop application disqualify me? :-) <Burgwork> schmoe, no, but there are no more canonical supplied laptops being handed out. They were handed out last August <schmoe> gotcha, thanks! <jsgotangco> we have to get this laptop testing in edgy on the road for knot 2 <jsgotangco> because most people arent even able to make knot 1 <jsgotangco> but this works <Linuturk_code> wait, they were giving out laptops? <Linuturk_code> also, I'll help with know2 <Linuturk_code> knot 2* <Linuturk_code> I understand there is a live cd version I can test w/o installing <Burgwork> Linuturk_code, yes, last year, to a few community members <Burgwork> the desktop cd <Linuturk_code> I use the Toshiba Satellite R15-S822 Tablet PC <Linuturk_code> and, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/edgy/knot-2/ << would that be the correct release? <Burgwork> yes <Linuturk_code> isn't there a form or guideline for submitting test results? <Burgwork> yes, at LaptopTestingTeam <Linuturk_code> wiki, i'm guessing? <Linuturk_code> and, Tablet PC's fall under the "laptop" category? <Linuturk_code> is there additional work being done specifically for Tablet PC's? <Burgwork> yes <Burgwork> and somewhat <Linuturk_code> is there a way for me to test those Tablet specific features, and contribute to their development. I'd really like to see some important features in Ubuntu #ubuntu-laptop 2006-09-02 <RedRose> toshiba: not a supported Toshiba laptop It recommend I rebuilt My kernel, should I, and how? <crimsun> weren't you in -kernel earlier? <RedRose> yes <RedRose> and to no avail <crimsun> the topic has links for compiling your own kernel <RedRose> What, !kernel ? cause I was told that if i compiled that kernel I would be able to do security and such updates <crimsun> self-compiled ones aren't heatherjohnson@example.com. <RedRose> I know, but what exactly does that entail? <crimsun> your questions are quite vague <crimsun> are you referring to compiling your own kernel or security updates? <RedRose> Lol sorry, when you say not supported at all, what exactly do you mean? If ii compile my own <crimsun> it means you're responsible for bugs that crop up in your own compiled one <crimsun> using the kernel team to assist you in debugging a self-compiled one is frowned upon <malice> ?, I never owned a laptop before and I was just wondering how long does it take to charge a brand new battery for one? <Rroet> pending <Rroet> type of battery <Rroet> how many cells it has. <Rroet> etc etc <Rroet> I have a 6-cell l-ion on a packard bell laptop which does about 1.5h <malice> ok thank you for some reason ubuntu is saying the charge time for this one is about 6 hours and I did not think that was right :) <malice> being about 15 min abou it say 10% now it is up to 34% <malice> abou-ago <malice> ooh wait now its saying 16 hours till charge <malice> hehehe <Rroet> does anybody know the edgy buglist? I found a little buggy I want to search for or notify if it's not reported yet. <Rroet> nm, found it already #ubuntu-laptop 2006-09-03 <{malice}> ? I have a Dell Latitude C540 and I need to upgrade the bios but I do not have floppy does anyone know how I can run the exe file in ubuntu? I installed wine and it does not work <defendguin> ok im testing out knot 2 on my laptop how do i enable xgl? <defendguin> and why one earth is NetworkManager not installed by default <Burgundavia> defendguin: what kind of video card do you have? <Burgundavia> and NM is not installed by default because it breaks every other networking tool on the system, including dhclient, ifupdown and the network-admin tool from gnome-system-tools <defendguin> the default gnome tools dont have a sane interface for connecting to wireless networks <Burgundavia> no, they don't <defendguin> I have an intel video card <Burgundavia> then XGL will not work for you <defendguin> oh <Burgundavia> you need AIGLX <defendguin> why is that? <Burgundavia> which is already installed by default <Burgundavia> but what you really want is compiz, which actually does the nifty stuff (compiz is a window manager) <Burgundavia> compiz works on either <Burgundavia> it appears the help wiki is down, but try the forums <defendguin> why doesn't xgl work with my card? i figured since my card has open drives all of these things should be able to work for me <defendguin> i thought they might have some gui already set up to enable the eye candy <Burgundavia> xgl doesn't work with the open source drivers and AIGLX doesn't work with closed sourced ones <Burgundavia> and there is something, but you need to grab it yourself <Burgundavia> see gnomefiles <defendguin> i love the new firefox with the google suggestions <Burgundavia> hmm, not an FF users <defendguin> why not? <Burgundavia> I find FF's lack of integration into the GNOME desktop to be very annoying <Burgundavia> I very much like epiphany <defendguin> ahh <defendguin> but your missing out on the fire fox google sync extension <Burgundavia> sounds lovely <Burgundavia> rather not have google have more than they already have <defendguin> i guess i'm a trusting individual <defendguin> something is wrong with the gnome compiz manager download site :( <defendguin> hmmm wireless in nm-applet isnt working properly <defendguin> it doesn't even give me a wireless option even though I can see that the light on my wireless card is blinking and the correct module is loaded <Burgundavia> welcome to why nm is not installed by default <defendguin> heh <defendguin> it works on dapper <crimsun> for values of "works" <defendguin> so far most things seem to work besides that <Fujitsu> defendguin, did you attempt to configure your wireless interface using network-admin first? <defendguin> yes <defendguin> yesterday before i even had nm installed <defendguin> Fujitsu: wireless network is not even an option <Fujitsu> defendguin, yep. <Fujitsu> defendguin, open up /etc/network/interfaces, and remove the section about your wireless card. <defendguin> auto eth2 <defendguin> iface eth2 inet dhcp <defendguin> this? <Fujitsu> Yeah. <Fujitsu> If you remove that, NetworkManager should pick up the wireless, although it may like to be restarted. <defendguin> yup that did it <Fujitsu> NetworkManager won't play with interfaces that have manual configuration, for obvious reasons. <Burgundavia> yes, part of why NM is not installed by default <Burgundavia> NM is the way forward, it just needs more integration work <defendguin> ahh but if it was installed by default it would have worked properly <defendguin> since i wouldn't have tried to config it manually <Burgundavia> yes, until you tried to set a static IP <Burgundavia> and watched NM fail <defendguin> eh <Burgundavia> have both of you voted; http://www.gnome.org/projects/gnome-games/survey.html <Burgundavia> ? <defendguin> i really don't play the games much <defendguin> to play dvds with totem i just need the extra bad and ugly gstreamer plugins from multiverse? <Linuturk> speaking of network manager <Linuturk> I can't connect to a wireless network with a wep key <Linuturk> open networks work fine <Linuturk> but any with a wep key fail <Linuturk> specifically, 64-bit hex key <defendguin> Linuturk: ill try that now <Burgundavia> Linuturk: the place to fix that is upstream <Linuturk> upstream? <defendguin_> Linuturk: that seemed to work fine <Burgundavia> the NM devs themselves <Linuturk> i'm thinking it's a problem with the drivers dapper installed by default <Burgundavia> packages "flow downstream" <Fujitsu> What driver, Linuturk? <Burgundavia> developers --> pakcagers <Linuturk> for the intel 2200BG <Fujitsu> Or Developers -> Debian -> Ubuntu. <Fujitsu> Works fine for me. <Fujitsu> I'm using a WEP passphrase, actually... <Fujitsu> (also an ipw2200) <Linuturk> is it lsmod to list what modules are loaded/ <Linuturk> ? <Linuturk> also, there is an entry on ndiswrapper's site for it <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: for some stuff. nm used to be developers --> ubuntu but is now developers --> debian --> ubuntu <Fujitsu> True. <Linuturk> i thought NM came from novell? <Burgundavia> RH, actually <Burgundavia> but there is an Novell and an RH dev working on it <Burgundavia> netapplet was RH <Burgundavia> Novell, rather <Linuturk> anyway, I don't think it's a nm problem <Linuturk> how can I check the drivers loaded/ <Linuturk> ? <defendguin_> crimsun i think sound works much better in edgy than dapper for this laptop <defendguin_> in dapper when i put in a dvd the sound was so much lower than normal system sounds now it seems to work properly <defendguin_> uggg let me retract that statement <defendguin> compiz works better than i though <defendguin> thought* <Linuturk> I've really noticed a slowdown in my system <Linuturk> what could be causing this? <Linuturk> is there anything I should be cleaning up? <Linuturk> anything to defrag? <Linuturk> my system monitor use to never show page file usage or a load amount <Linuturk> by the way, knot 2 is out, so shouldn't the topic reflect that? #ubuntu-laptop 2006-09-04 <defendguin> crimsun: ping <malice> Can someone give me a url that will tell me if Ubuntu will support USB cards for my laptop. And tell me what ones to get? <malice> I googled and can not find anything <malice> Are they supported? <mjg59> USB cards? <malice> yes, USB 2.0 PCMCIA card <malice> My usb in the back broke <malice> thought this would be good <mjg59> Yes, they work fine <malice> ok thanks <jsgotangco> mjg59: what's the gameplan for laptop testing on edgy for canonical supplied? this is the last mandatory testing for those laptops and knot 2 is pretty much usable for most <mjg59> Yeah <mjg59> There's still a few regressions over suspend/resume that I'm going to look into <jsgotangco> oh yeah coming ito that, i tried hibernate, it said there's a HAL issue <jsgotangco> the machine just went to screensaver <mjg59> That's a dbus permissions thing <jsgotangco> but suspend to ram works <mjg59> I think <mjg59> But anyway <jsgotangco> so far majority is ok, except the usual regressions of suspend/resume during dev cycle <defendguin> suspend or hibernate isnt working on my laptop anymore <defendguin> hibernate i expected because it didnt work in dapper but suspend did work and now it doesn't <jsgotangco> if its edgy, dot be surprised if its broken at the moment <jsgotangco> there are some issues with suspend/resume <davy_boy98> hey there, can any one help with setting up WPA wifi <quail-laptop> davy_boy98: try here >>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo <davy_boy98> ah cheers mate. i have followed that to the T and still no luck <davy_boy98> have u managed to get it working? <quail-laptop> i not tried <quail-laptop> i don't have a access point at home <davy_boy98> ok cool <quail-laptop> but i will be getting a AP soon <davy_boy98> is anyone using WPA wifi on their laptops? <eod_punk> hello all <eod_punk> anyone know of a way to disable the password prompt when opening a laptop LCD? <eod_punk> anyone know of a way to disable the password prompt when opening a laptop LCD? <simira> eod_punk: this is not a support channel, as topic says. And please don't repeat questions. But you can deactivate it in the screensaver settings, I think. Ask on #ubuntu. <eod_punk> simira, sorry and thanks #ubuntu-laptop 2006-09-05 <Rroet> o/ <Rroet> anybody in here any experience with i2c on laptops? <Rroet> I have a very odd Packard Hell laptop with a ATI/Ali chipset combo <Rroet> o/ #ubuntu-laptop 2006-09-06 <RedRose> Something like my laptops monitor brightness, that's something controled by ACPI, right? <RedRose> /proc/acpi/video/GFX0/LCD <RedRose> I want to modify the birghtness level and It says it can't write, how do I? <PavelS> Hello <Fujitsu_> Hi PavelS/. <PavelS> Is there anybody who know something about suspend to ram, please? I am trying to set it on my laptop almost three days without progress. <Fujitsu_> You might want to ask in #ubuntu, this isn't a support channel. <PavelS> Sorry...ehm and what is this channel about? <Fujitsu_> Development/testing of Ubuntu with laptop.s <Fujitsu_> * Topic for #ubuntu-laptop is: Ubuntu laptop development work | Not a general Ubuntu support channel, use #ubuntu <PavelS> Understand....Have a nic Day/Night =c] <RedRose> /proc/acpi/video/GFX0/LCD -- I want to modify the birghtness level and It says it can't write, how do I? <RedRose> prometheus@Cerberus:/proc/acpi/video/GFX0/LCD# sudo echo current 80 > brightness <RedRose> echo: write error: Invalid argument <sputnik> lo folks <Rroet> o/ <Nailor> btw, has any of you played around with opensync? <RedRose> how can I edit the ACPI to allow for lower monitor brightness? <IcemanV9> sudo su -- then edit files, when done exit (sudo su) <crimsun> this laptop has been suspending and resuming like a champ lately <crimsun> (6.10) #ubuntu-laptop 2006-09-07 <defendguin> that link for channel logs is useless <defendguin> there is nothing near recent in there <IcemanV9> i tried knot 2 desktop cd (live) on my z60m today. it took full 5 min to get up and running. what's up with that? <Burgundavia> IcemanV9: because it is a livecd. 5 minutes is not unexpected <Burgundavia> laptops often also have really small amounts of ram <IcemanV9> not with dapper livecd. it's quick. also, this laptop have 1Gb. <Burgundavia> if there is a time difference, file a bug <Burgundavia> ubuntu-live <IcemanV9> ok. i will test it a few more times, then i will file a bug if it is unchanged. <cpax> Has anyone had success using an AirPortExtreme card in a PowerBook G4 running a linux distro (I'm using Ubuntu edgy)? I've used bcm43xx-fwcutter on the AppleAirPort2 firmware file I pulled from my OS X installation. Kismet is capturing packets, but I can't seem to connect to anything. Any ideas of where I can continue learning information on how to fix this? <Burgundavia> hmm, there is a page on the help wiki on the broadcom <Burgundavia> call bcm43xx I think <cpax> On the Broadcom website? Ubuntu website? I looked on the Ubuntu forums and followed a how-to. Things work a little, like the packet capture in Kismet, but I can not connect to anything. <Burgundavia> the ubuntu help page <Burgundavia> help.ubuntu.com/community <cpax> I've been all over the forums looking for information, but have not yet found anything. I thought that I would pop into a few IRC chats to see if I can get a quick answer before I go posting anything in a forum. * ..[topic/#ubuntu-laptop:robitaille] : Ubuntu laptop development work | Not a general Ubuntu support channel, use #ubuntu | Please test Edgy Knot 2 - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/edgy/knot-2/ <Linuturk> I have a major problem. I put my laptop into hibernate, and now my display is freaking out. I've tried a plain reboot, and the problem persists. Screenshot: http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotsq2.png << I'm not even sure if I'll be able to see your response :( <giftnudel> is there a known reason why my laptop would not try to resume from my swap partition? <freesun> anyone know if new sound chip used by F-S works with ubuntu? <freesun> ALC861 codec... is it supported? I can't find it is ALSA page <crimsun> F-S has a crapload of models; most, if not all, of the newer ones use HDA codecs, and yes, they're supported. Please file a bug if it doesn't work out of the box. <crimsun> err, d'oh <yuriy> hi Nailor #ubuntu-laptop 2006-09-08 <malice> I just got a new usb PCMCIA card for my laptop, but when I put it in and connect my usb device Ubuntu does not see anything. Anyone point me in the right direction? <Nailor> yuriy: Hi <malice> I just got a new usb PCMCIA card for my laptop, but when I put it in and connect my usb device Ubuntu does not see anything. Anyone point me in the right direction? <Treenaks> malice: you might need to supply power <Treenaks> malice: and is it PCMCIA or Cardbus? <malice> yes <malice> my usb port on the back on the laptop is broke <Treenaks> that's not a yes/no answer <Treenaks> malice: is it a PCMCIA card, or is it a Cardbus card? <malice> card bus <Treenaks> ok <malice> b 2.0 cardbus pc card <Treenaks> does it show up in 'lspci' output? <malice> I am a newbie <Treenaks> then perhaps asking on #ubuntu is a better idea <malice> I did they do not reply <malice> :) <Treenaks> however, please check if it shows up in the device manager, and also check if it might need an external power connection <malice> there is another power connector but it goes to the usb port <malice> and it is broke <malice> :) <malice> I took the power/ usb adapter over to the desktop pluged it in there then and turned on the laptop.. the car dnow works. I will have to find out the voltage that comes out of the usb and rig up a power adapter since my usb is brok on the laptop :) thanks for the help <Treenaks> USB usually takes 5V <Treenaks> or actually <Treenaks> delivers 5V on 2 of the 4 pins <Treenaks> check the relevant standard ;) <malice> I have a volt meter I will just check then splice the wire and go out and get a adaptor :) <Treenaks> don't do that... supplying power is 'special' in usb <malice_> Is there a way to add Windows blue screen of death to my ubuntu only Laptop? I would like this to pop up oh say every minute or so.... <jsgotangco> huh? <jsgotangco> get the screensaver, there's one full of BSODs <giftnudel> malice_: there is a screensaver <jsgotangco> windows, macs, take your pick <malice_> thanks <yuriy> Nailor: you did the testing page on the asus v6j? <Nailor> yuriy: Yeah, I've been filling it up (and created it originally too) <Nailor> Some other contributors there too <Nailor> yuriy: why? You got something to contribute/add there? =) <Rroet> anyway, ik ben afk vanavond. <Rroet> Ik type morgen weer met jullie :) <lazzarello> I'm running into playback and recording problems with dapper on a macbook. recording doesn't record and playback has no volume control. <lazzarello> the driver is snd_hda_intel <crimsun> known issues, should be addressed in next kernel. <lazzarello> cool. is the patch in the upstream kernel? <crimsun> no <lazzarello> better said, can I build my own kernel for the time being? <crimsun> a new vmlinuz won't help you. The patches aren't in linus's tree. <crimsun> btw, "next kernel" above refers to the next Ubuntu revision for Dapper. <lazzarello> thanks <yuriy> Nailor: yeah i just got one and installed edgy on it and wanted to contribute <yuriy> Nailor: i've also had a couple problems and i wanted to ask if you've run into them <Nailor> yuriy: just shoot me here or to my mail, heatherjohnson@example.com <yuriy> Nailor: well, one thing, does sleep/suspend work consistently for you? <Nailor> Yeah <Nailor> It though requires nvidia-glx to be installed <Nailor> The only problem so far I've found out was installing banshee (propably libipoddev or some other package it depended on) broke the suspend <yuriy> Nailor: it's installed. but sometimes instead of suspending the screen turns off but the power light stays constantly on and fan spinning, and I can't get out of that state <Nailor> Hmm. <Nailor> I've got that once or twice <yuriy> kubuntu btw <Nailor> Oh. I've got ubuntu, but don't think there's a big difference <Nailor> Anyway, I've got that once or twice and I'm rationaling that it might have something to do with package installs <yuriy> Nailor: and the other problem is if i turn off the wireless, then turn it back on, it's detected and stuff but connection says 0kb/s and can't get an ip <Nailor> That's a problem I'm familiar with <yuriy> (also i haven't gotten wpa working yet but i think i just need to find the right howto) <Nailor> For me, the wpa works. I've even struggled with the 'most powerful' type of wpa encryption, having certificates and keys, and it works just fine <Nailor> Somehow the NetworkManager (a Gnome wlan connection manager) didn't cope with that, but wpa_supplicant did <yuriy> Nailor: using what? knetworkmanager isn't showing any networks for me <yuriy> Nailor: a link to how to use wpa_supplicant if you don't mind? <Nailor> Oh yeah, the NetworkManager daemon has a kubuntu frontend too <Nailor> Just a sec <Nailor> There's a conf file I've used once: http://mursu.dyndns.biz/~nailor/ukuwlan.conf <Nailor> I had to turn off (disable networking) from NetworkManager and use plain wpa_supplicant / iwconfig <Nailor> wpa_supplicant -c/path/to/ukuwlan.conf -Dwext -B did the trick <Nailor> Oh, the file shows all the passwords and other too.. Well, those were valid for one confrence only =) <yuriy> Nailor: it stores the password unencrypted? o_O <Nailor> Well, if you want <Nailor> See man wpa_passphrase for encrypting the passphrases <yuriy> thanks <Nailor> Haven't used it since I don't have WPA in active use at home <Nailor> My 166MHz IBM laptop can handle only WEP :P <Nailor> well. I'll head for the bead, been a rough week and I've "shceduled" a server fixing for tomorrow (my home network file sharing / backup server) <Nailor> s/bead/bed <Nailor> Have fun with the V6J and contribute as much as you can about edgy to the wiki =) <yuriy> k night #ubuntu-laptop 2006-09-09 <krazeivan> I have Edgy Knot 2 running on my MacBook Pro, and its very nice <krazeivan> as an fyi <brian98> Fujitsu-siemens s7010 Works Straight out of the box <brian98> not a single driver or extra config <brian98> amazing <LinuxCart> Hello <LinuxCart> I know this is not an user channel <LinuxCart> but I have seen the bug report regarding freq scaling <LinuxCart> and I also have aproblem with cpufreqd (it fails to load) <LinuxCart> I would like to know what is the best option by now to get this working <LinuxCart> I'm on dapper <LinuxCart> (I also asked #kubuntu and #ubuntu and no success) <ash211> from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam: <ash211> Please do not use these contact methods to find support. <ash211> * IRC - #ubuntu-laptop on Freenode <ash211> * Mailing list [http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/laptop-testing-team Laptop Testing] (this is a low traffic list) <ash211> Should that be "Please use these contact methods to find support." ? <red_Marvin> Do anyone have any experience on running ubuntu on an Asus A8F? #ubuntu-laptop 2006-09-10 <malice> is there widgets for ubuntu <malice> that I can download that is <Burgundavia> malice: widgets? <malice> Yes, something that would run on the desktop like realtime sports scores etc.... <nnonix> Anyone with a Thinkpad in here? <Burgundavia> nnonix: no, but I might be able to answer your questions <nnonix> Ah, no question .... <nnonix> rather, I talked with a few people in there with thinkpads asking about why dappers keybindings didn't recognize the blue thinkpad button .. <nnonix> I got the feeling they were not even trying to use that button. <Burgundavia> no, I think there is outstanding bug against that <nnonix> Edgy now recognizes that button and I thought I'd mention it, in case they didn't know. <nnonix> it works now <nnonix> and I'm giddy <Burgundavia> ah <ubuntu_demon> Hi <Nailor> hi <ubuntu_demon> Is there a way to search launchpad for specific laptops ? I'm searching for a new laptop and I want to search for bugs on a couple of possible models. <ubuntu_demon> I'm searching for a laptop. I understand that this is not a support channel but I have no idea where else to ask this :) <ubuntu_demon> I'm not asking for you guys to search for me or something :p <philwyett> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam See section 5 in contents for model listings <ubuntu_demon> philwyett: I know that. I was asking for a way to search launchpad for bugs for laptop models. <ubuntu_demon> I'm not asking for suppor for a certain laptop nor am I asking for help in finding me a new laptop nor am I asking for the LaptopTestingTeam wiki. I'm merely asking for a way to search launchpad to find bugs for laptops (specific models) :) <philwyett> Not sure about that. Maybe someone else knows. <ubuntu_demon> and I have no idea who else to ask then here :) <ubuntu_demon> okay thanks <ubuntu_demon> I will hang out a bit here then <ubuntu_demon> I'm a moderator of Ubuntuforums. If I can get good information on this I can put it in a sticky <ubuntu_demon> I just don't have much launchpad experience <philwyett> MY lappy works great under dapper and thats a damn site better than two days ago when I switched from running latest RHEL 4.4. <ubuntu_demon> You may tell me which one you are using :) <ubuntu_demon> here's the sticky in the laptop support section : http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=253927 <philwyett> Sony Vaio VGN-FS415M upgraded in store to 1Gb RAM. <ubuntu_demon> What's the size of it ? <philwyett> Screen? <ubuntu_demon> yeah the screen unless the laptop has a small screen but is still big <ubuntu_demon> I'm searching for a laptop myself see : http://ubuntudemon.wordpress.com/2006/09/09/possible-laptops-feedback-request/ <philwyett> 15.4" widescreen with max native res of 1280x800 <Nailor> Well, I've got Asus V6J but it goes over you budget <ubuntu_demon> hi Nailor <ubuntu_demon> I'm searching for a core duo laptop of good quality smaller than 15" for about 1200 euros if that's possible. <philwyett> Mine is about your budget. <ubuntu_demon> Nailor do you happen to know how to search launchpad for laptop bugs of specific laptops ? <Nailor> No idea :\ <philwyett> ubuntu_demon: Just never add an Acer to your list, they ain't good IMHO. <ubuntu_demon> What about Fujitsu Siemens ? Is that an A brand ? <Nailor> Well, depends on the laptop. The most expensive Acers are ok, though (at least here in Finland) they have a weird keymap <Nailor> ubuntu_demon: Yup, that's a brand <philwyett> Fuji is good <ubuntu_demon> I mean an A grade brand <Nailor> Fuji is fine, I haven't heard complaining about those <ubuntu_demon> Here's the list : http://ubuntudemon.wordpress.com/2006/09/09/possible-laptops-feedback-request/ and more elaborate here : http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1475956&postcount=32 <ubuntu_demon> any models I should remove from that list ? <Nailor> Though, in the 1200e budget there won't be any superior machines :p <philwyett> The mac :-D <Nailor> ubuntu_demon: Weren't you from Denmark? <ubuntu_demon> remove the mac ? because of potential heat problems ? <ubuntu_demon> I'm from the netherlands <Nailor> Oh, remembered wrong :P <Nailor> Aynway, there's this Danish manufacturer, called Zepto <Nailor> http://www.zepto.com/ <philwyett> ubuntu_demon: Not just that, I just think they are over priced for what you get. <ubuntu_demon> Nailor do you agree with philwyett on removing the macbook from my list ? <ubuntu_demon> someone (maybe you?) suggested Zepto to me before <Nailor> I'm not so sure about the Zeptos quality, but at least they offer good performance per buck <ubuntu_demon> I think I couldn't find a Zepto model of my liking available in the netherlands <ubuntu_demon> But I want good quality .. that's important to me also <Nailor> ubuntu_demon: Well, I like the Macbook myself, in terms of inventions used while building it but it sure gets hot <Nailor> Some of my friends have it but they complain about the heat <Nailor> It's not lap friendly :p <ubuntu_demon> Okay I'm removing the macbook from the possiblities thanks for that guys :-D <Nailor> The list you got, I'd prefer the A8J or the Amilo <philwyett> I agree <ubuntu_demon> If I can find a good laptop for myself then I can suggest it to others on the forums <ubuntu_demon> What about the Asus barebone ? <Nailor> Well, if you find a god barebone it might work too. <ubuntu_demon> Asus S62J-H044 is a barebone <Nailor> I've been a bit sceptic about barebones, but dunno is there a real reason for it =P <ubuntu_demon> The thing I like about the Asus S62J-H044 is that I don't pay for windows. <Nailor> That's true <ubuntu_demon> Regarding the specs it has a better CPU than the A8Jc for about 50 euros more which is also good. <Nailor> How's the guarantee with the barebone? <ubuntu_demon> but I have no idea about the build quality .. I have read some negative comments <Nailor> Or, warranty <Nailor> Asus normally has 2 years warranty <ubuntu_demon> warranty is good also 2 years <Nailor> well, there propably ain't big difference between the barebone and the normal <ubuntu_demon> At least the case is different. I don't know about the motherboard. <Nailor> ah <ubuntu_demon> The barebone has VBI parts .. which means Verified by Intel. <Nailor> Well, the non-barebone might be better tested <ubuntu_demon> VBI means that intel standardized on some parts such as the battery <Nailor> As a whole package, I mean. <Nailor> Yeah. <ubuntu_demon> Yeah the A8Jc might be better tested because a lot more people use it. So they would have solved possible problems by now (you would think) <ubuntu_demon> here's information about VBI program : http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/emea/eng/283358.htm <ubuntu_demon> and here : http://www.laptops4u.nl/cmsdownloads/Verified_by_Intel.pdf <Nailor> At leaset someone has tested A8Jc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/AsusA8Jc <Nailor> Not completely though :p <ubuntu_demon> yeah <Nailor> Well. Happy hunting, I'll be off to the store for a while, gotta get some filling to my pizza. <ubuntu_demon> Thanks :-D <ubuntu_demon> I'll be back soon <ubuntu_demon> hi <jsgotangco> hey <Nailor> Hi there again <Nailor> ubuntu_demon: Any luck with the laptop decissions? <ubuntu_demon> hey <ubuntu_demon> I'm going slowly :) <ubuntu_demon> I don't want to hurry this decision because it <ubuntu_demon> it's a lot of money to me <Nailor> Yeah <Nailor> And having a bad laptop sucks <ubuntu_demon> yeah <Nailor> I can sell you my old IBM, 166MHz and 48 megs of RAM ;) <ubuntu_demon> :p <ubuntu_demon> :-P <ubuntu_demon> Do you know anything about the quality of "Intel Pro/Wireless 3945 ABG" support ? <Nailor> Works like a charm <Nailor> (I've got 3945 on my laptop) <ubuntu_demon> What did you have to do to make it work ? <Nailor> Installed a correct kernel (linux-686) <Treenaks> Nailor: that's not even necessary I think? <Treenaks> the 686 part <Nailor> dunno <Treenaks> it works out of the box on Ubuntu <Nailor> Um.. <Treenaks> Nailor: for me <Nailor> Oh <ubuntu_demon> The comment on : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported ... seems to be wrong then <Treenaks> ubuntu_demon: it might be old <Nailor> I installed 6.06 but it didn't work out of the box <Nailor> With the -386 kernel <Nailor> Installing -686 did the trick <Nailor> Though, it might have something to do with the fact that the ipw ships with propietary binary regulator daemon <ubuntu_demon> Opinions on this article ? Do you think I should add it to the sticky in the laptop support subforum ? http://polishlinux.org/choose/laptop/# <ubuntu_demon> Here's the sticky : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=253927 maybe you have other suggestions for the sticky <Nailor> Why not, a nice collection of stuff to consider when getting a new laptop <ubuntu_demon> Okay I stickied it :) <ubuntu_demon> I mean I added it to the sticky :p <Nailor> Well, maybe the LaptopTestingTeam page *could* be there with a mention, that the data is intended for testing purposes <Nailor> It still gives you a good overview of the capabilities of the laptop though <ubuntu_demon> I will add it. Thanks. <ubuntu_demon> done. Please check whether you like the text :) <ubuntu_demon> regarding the S62J .. how big is the chance that I wouldn't get suspend to disk or suspend to ram working in your view ? It's an asus barebone. Here are the specs : http://www.laptops4u.nl/info?p=1011{1}232{2}195{3}238{5}89{6}311{8}104{9}188{10}111{14}187{21}248{22}250{23}253{25}312 more specs here : http://www.laptops4u.nl/cmsdownloads/Verified_by_Intel.pdf <Nailor> Oh, I ment that you could have an additional link pointing to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ <ubuntu_demon> originally I joined this channel to find out how to search for specific laptops on launchpad .. LOL :P <Nailor> The HardwareSupport link was just fine <Nailor> well.. =) <ubuntu_demon> Ow okay I will change it :) <Nailor> Well, I don't see any reason why that wouldn't suspend to ram at least <Nailor> Dunno about hibernate, since I've been having some trouble with it myself <ubuntu_demon> I improved the sticky a bit. Any suggestions ? <ubuntu_demon> Does the centrino platforum laptops drain the battery a lot when it is suspended to ram ? <Nailor> My laptop lasts 2-3 days with suspend if suspended with full battery <ubuntu_demon> Do you think I take a big risk when I would order the S62J-H044 regarding getting Ubuntu to work perfectly ? sorry for all the questions .. I promise to put a laptop review online when I have bought one :) <ubuntu_demon> and now you are talking about suspend to ram ? <Nailor> Yup <ubuntu_demon> cool <ubuntu_demon> So having suspend 2 disk not available for a while is not that major of a problem. <Nailor> I don't really remember when have I shut this machine the last time <Nailor> Yup <Nailor> That's why I haven't used it <Nailor> Of course, it would keep the battery life longer, and would have a huge benefit in case of power running out <Nailor> As you could hibernate (Suspend to disk) and have all the work you were doing saved till you get the power back on <ubuntu_demon> yeah hibernate seems really useful <ubuntu_demon> but I could live without for a while if suspend to ram works for a few days :) <ubuntu_demon> The one thing I'm a bit worried about regarding the S62J-H044 is the build quality and the quality of the case and screen <ubuntu_demon> I really like the fact of not paying money to microsoft and if it is a great laptop then being able to suggest it to others :) <ubuntu_demon> But I don't like taking a big risk because I don't have much money. The only money I have goes to a new laptop. <Nailor> Well, there's always the suspend2 patch to kernel, but I don't want to waste any time recompiling my kernel :P <Nailor> Im running out of time nowadays having all kinds of project so testing things with my laptop has been a bit postponed lately <Nailor> Right now I'm trying to build 2x200G mirroring raid to my server (2x840MHz P III) and I can assure you it takes a while to synchronize the disks.. :P <ubuntu_demon> I don't want to need to recompile my kernel either. It's bothersome to do it for each kernelupgrade <ubuntu_demon> :) <Nailor> Well. Anyway. I'll get bak to making the pizza :p <ubuntu_demon> any idea about the nvidia geforce go 7200 / 7300 / 7400 support in Linux ? <ubuntu_demon> have a nice meal :) <ubuntu_demon> 7200 and 7300 are on http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_18897.html so I don't think it will be a problem <ubuntu_demon> I meant 7300 and 7400 are on there but 7200 isn't <ubuntu_demon> the GF go 7200 doesn't have it's own memory : http://www.nvidia.com/object/go_7_series_techspecs.html <Nailor> I have 7400 <Nailor> Everything works, even XGL <ubuntu_demon> cool <ubuntu_demon> The HP DV2085 has become less interesting to me because 1) I can't find any information about running Ubuntu or Linux on it 2) the GF go 7200 doesn't have dedicated memory 3) the GF go 7200 isn't listed in nvidia's list of supported cards <ubuntu_demon> The most interesting models are the two asus ones. <ubuntu_demon> I'll be responding extra slow from now on :) <Nailor> I got my pizza out of the oven, so I'll responding very slowly for now on too :) <ubuntu_demon> What flavour it it ? <Nailor> My pizza? <Nailor> It was a onion-pepper-shrimp-goat cheese-mozarella-mushroom -combination =P <ubuntu_demon> I hope it was good :) <Nailor> Excellent =) <ubuntu_demon> great <ubuntu_demon> Where do you live ? <Nailor> In Finland, in a city called Turku <ubuntu_demon> I live in the Netherlands but I think I already told you that :) <ubuntu_demon> So you are a volunteer of the LaptopTestingTeam ? <ubuntu_demon> I'm going to cook (macaroni) <ubuntu_demon> still responding extra slow ;) <Nailor> Yup, I've mostly been testing my laptop <Nailor> As much as I can though, because I'm using this as a work laptop too <ubuntu_demon> okay <ubuntu_demon> I actually have to go because my girlfriend is going to use this computer now. I might talk to you later in this channel :) <ubuntu_demon> bye! <Nailor> Bye! <Infecto> hi <Infecto> crimsun send me in here :) <Burgundavia> Infecto: what do you need help with? <Infecto> suspend <Infecto> my problem is <Infecto> my laptop dont want to start after suspend <Infecto> the problem is i dont know how to debug it <Infecto> maybe some tips <Infecto> my ver of ubuntu i edgy up to date <Infecto> s/i/is <crimsun> I believe I remember Matthew advising having ``dmesg'' output ready [but I may have mistaken it for suspend-to-disk, not -ram] <Infecto> hmm, i`m sing suspend to ram <Infecto> to disk is to slow for me <Infecto> i need fast actions :) <Infecto> the strainght think is that suspend start acting when i releas the lid buton <Infecto> when i push it and hold nothing happend <Infecto> maybe something is hapening but not wanted actions :) <Infecto> in my opinion off course <Infecto> any ideas ? <crimsun> Infecto: Matthew has been idle for nearly 7 hrs; it's the weekend, so check back later. <Infecto> ok thx one more time <Infecto> mkey so one more :) <Infecto> why mplayer is playing my move so slow on fgrlx when i use -vo x11 <Infecto> with -vo xv dont run even #ubuntu-laptop 2006-09-11 <ristretto> has anyone in here had MTRR issues on recent edgy kernels, esp. with fglrx? <MaCa> Anyone aware of intel-hda/sigmael audio issues? <Infecto> hello <Nailor> hi * Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-laptop.log <krpano> anyone live here ? <krpano> alive i mean.:) <Linuturk> krpano, I lived here until my house was reposessed. Now I'm down by the highway under the overpass <nnonix> "in a van, down by the river!" #ubuntu-laptop 2006-09-12 <Infecto> hello, can some one tel me why when i use fglrx instead ati, mplayer works wery slowly <Infecto> the movie are playing not well <rhum> hi <rhum> i'm a noob <rhum> i use ubuntu on a laptop <rhum> congrats guys ... <rhum> it works pretty well <rhum> i had to fight with gnome network tool for authenticating on a secure wifi modem , but with kde tool it is right <rhum> so i instaled this tool <rhum> tyvm #ubuntu-laptop 2006-09-13 <Infecto> pleas tell me how to change cpu performance <Infecto> form 600Mhz to 1.6Ghz <Infecto> manualy <Infecto> and i use this new power manager <mjg59> You don't <mjg59> It'll automatically speed up when needed <Infecto> yes but i want to do it manualy <Infecto> performanec how it prowide to me is not inaf in my opinion <mjg59> Remove the powernowd package <zombietux_> hello all <zombietux_> i have a notebook compaq v2607 in series v2000 <zombietux_> but, my keyboard is not configured!!! <ubuntu_demon> hi <freesun> anyone willing to help guy with enabling wifi on laptop? <freesun> have acer_hk and yes it is 32bit system <artus> hello <artus> yesterday I installed (k)ubuntu 6.06 on Lenovo ThinkPad R60 (PN UE16FGE/ Model 9456-6FG) <artus> most things works fine. <artus> IMHO ubuntu is the best laptop supporting distri <artus> but there are two problemes: <artus> the wlan (ipw3945) is not working after suspend <artus> cat /proc/cpuinfo does not recognize the powernowd cpu_scaling settings. <Nailor> Weird <Nailor> My ipw3945 comes back alive nicely <artus> the notebook is at home (me at work) <Nailor> Have you checked the logs if they have something weird going on? <artus> interface not ready <artus> the wlan led is (long-term) blinking. <Nailor> oh <artus> ifdown eth1;ifup eth1 helps. wlan is up again <Nailor> Those propably could be tweaked to be a part of some of the scripts ran when resuming <artus> by checking the /etc/acpi/resume.d and suspend. ifup / ifdown scripts <artus> I noticed that deh ifup use $INTERFACES without setting it before. <Nailor> Oh <Nailor> You should propably file that one to launchpad <artus> ? <Nailor> The ubuntu bug tracker <Nailor> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs <artus> i fixed that with writing $INTERFACES to /tmp in suspend.d/55-... <artus> an read in in resume.d/62-ifup <artus> but the problmes still exists that the wlan/ipw3945 is not ready when trying to make dhcp request <artus> Nailor: how did you configure your ipw3945 interfaces (static or dhcp)? <Nailor> dhcp <Nailor> Using NetworkManager <artus> i have setup the /etc/network/interfaces <Nailor> Oh <artus> oh? <Nailor> Have you tried network manager? <artus> not yet. <Nailor> It's in the package networkmanager-gnome <Nailor> Or ...-kde <artus> is my first (real) with ubuntu <Nailor> oops <Nailor> network-manager-kde * artus normal use debian <Nailor> ah <Nailor> Well the same package is for debian too <Nailor> But if you're running Kubuntu, install network-manager-kde <artus> ack <Nailor> Then, remove all entries (or comment them out) in your /etc/network/interfaces which affect your wireless card (eth1?) <Nailor> And reboot <artus> ack, configure with network-manager und try again. <jsgotangco> its beautiful <artus> the other problem is the "wrong" frequenz of the cpu in /proc/cpuinfo <artus> the powernowd is running correct (check) setting the /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpuX/cpufreq/cpufreq_scaling (AFAIR) correct <artus> but cat /proc/cpuinfo alway say 1667 MHz <Nailor> I think cpuinfo says always the 'default' frequency <Nailor> cpufreq-subdir tells you the truth <Nailor> hum. Got a computer finally, I've been working now for two weeks with my personal laptop <artus> I haven seen the scaled freq in /proc/cpuinfo (on other systems) <Nailor> o <Nailor> h <Nailor> =) <Nailor> Well, I'll try <Nailor> Using powersave scaling governor my cpuinfo still says 1829.117 for both cores <artus> maybe changed in newer kernel... <Nailor> Could be <artus> I will try after work (in about 10h) so I will be back (with new infos) tomorrow same time. <artus> have a nice day. <Infecto> can some one tell my, the prblem withc suspend to ram in ubuntu is on kernel side or some stuff from user land ? <Nailor> It's in kernel <Infecto> brbrb <Infecto> edgy start acting like windows <Infecto> when i insert or eject cd it freez <Infecto> thats not well <pws69> need help setting up wireless using WPA-PSK <pws69> mjg59: can u help me set up WPA-PSK wireless.. ive got wpa_supplicants <Treenaks> pws69: it's probably better to read help.ubuntu.com <Treenaks> or ask on #ubuntu <Treenaks> (as this is not a support channel..) <pws69> Treenaks: okay <NoWhereMan> hi guys <NoWhereMan> just a little question, anybody had experiences with a packard bell easynot 31937 ? <NoWhereMan> erm <NoWhereMan> r1938 <Treenaks> easynot? <Treenaks> as in 'hard'? <NoWhereMan> :D <NoWhereMan> easynote :p <NoWhereMan> have any of you had issues with usplash & virtual terminals on widescreen displays? #ubuntu-laptop 2006-09-14 <NoWhereMan> sorry for the ot, I have to clean up a compaq laptop using its master cd... do you know if those cds reset also the partition table? <Burgundavia> NoWhereMan: yes, they will destroy any data on the system, usually <NoWhereMan> Burgundavia, I mean if I have 4 partitions, two of which are with linux, can you say if it is going to merge them back with the first, as it was at the beginning? <Burgundavia> those cds wipe the entire drive and reimage it <NoWhereMan> thank you <Burgundavia> what do you need todo? <NoWhereMan> restore a compaq pc to its original state <NoWhereMan> to give it away <NoWhereMan> would you install at this time edgy on a new laptop? i mean.... anyway it's going out on october... i can't wait all this time to install linux :D <Fujitsu> NoWhereMan, things are liable to break, so don't install it if you need to use the laptop and can't stand breakage. <NoWhereMan> Fujitsu, I remember I installed dapper on its last months of testing and I didn't find any harm. Is it edgy so "edgy"? :p <Fujitsu> NoWhereMan, breakage is fairly rare at the moment, although some major things do occasionally break. If you were OK testing Dapper, it shouldn't be too different with Edgy. <Fujitsu> Although big things like OpenOffice.org saving are broken at the moment. <NoWhereMan> O.o <Treenaks> Fujitsu: sounds like some shareware I know :) <NoWhereMan> eve OOo <Fujitsu> Treenaks, ? <NoWhereMan> *even <Treenaks> Fujitsu: In the old days, one of the ways shareware used to ensure you'd pay was by being crippled... like unable to use the 'Save' function <Fujitsu> True. <NoWhereMan> is it tcl/tk8.5 in edgy? i guess no <Fujitsu> There's no tcl8.5 in Edgy, no. <NoWhereMan> ok, i'll have to compile again :p <NoWhereMan> how did they break "save" in OOo ??? :D <Fujitsu> NoWhereMan, dbus had an ABI change, so it crashes when displaying the save dialog... When the next upload/build occurs, it'll be fixed. <NoWhereMan> oh! i see now <NoWhereMan> well I'd wait at least for this to fix... or I'll have to d/l OOo twice... <offmesssage> can anyone help with a dapper netboot problem? <offmesssage> my screen blacks out after downloading all the packages <offmesssage> i've found a few other people reporting it, but no solution <offmesssage> i was wondering if anyone here knew what i might be able to do to get round it? <Nailor_> Weird <simira> offmesssage: try on <simira> #ubuntu <simira> this is not a support-channel, as topic says <offmesssage> oops <offmesssage> sorry :) <offmesssage> will do <rizo> anyone have their suspend to disk stop working after doing a clean install of knot-2? was working fine in dapper :( <rizo> well at least suspend to mem works now :o #ubuntu-laptop 2006-09-15 * Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-laptop.log <kanzie> Im trying to get suspend and hibernate gto work... <kanzie> on my ibm thinkpad t60 <kanzie> Im experiencing big problems with suspend and hibernate <kanzie> on my ibm thinkpad t60 <mjg59> What version of Ubuntu? <kanzie> dapper <kanzie> latest, just installed <kanzie> the thing is I think my swap is to small, it is smaller than the size of my ram <kanzie> I have installed gparted but cant seem to resize my fat32-disk with free space on it <simira> kanzie: it is reported a bug on it, please add any comments or logs if you find it necessary (hibernate problems) <kanzie> simira: Where is it reported, which app is it that is causing the problems? xgl? compiz? or the x-server? <rizo> help https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/58247 #ubuntu-laptop 2006-09-16 <Infecto> can some one tel me what software is responsible for stering kmix when i push vol up down or mute buttons on my laptop <Infecto> right now it stop work for me #ubuntu-laptop 2006-09-17 <Burgundavia> There is an online tutorial on using package management tools, including Add/Remove, Synaptic and Aptitude in 20 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom <Luke> hmm... first time ever using IRC, complete noob here. Test Test =) <Luke> eh... nm... wrong channel. sry <anmar> Hey guys. I am testing Edgy Eft Knot 2 (not sure if my last update pused it to 3) and I have some problems I wish resolved so I can file my report <anmar> My question is: Is this the right place to discuss this kind of stuff or should I still go to #ubuntu ? <Nailor> Well, we're not supporting channel <Nailor> Of course you can shoot us with the question, we'll might answer :P <Nailor> s/we'll/we/ <anmar> Nailor: hehe... thanks dude... <anmar> Nailor: I am trying to test edggy knot 3 and resume is a problem. <Nailor> Worked fine before? <anmar> I am using the 915resolution packages but resume from suspend leaves my screen black <anmar> Nailor: where can I find what happens when you resume a laptop ? <Nailor> Dunno, ACPI documentation maybe? <anmar> Nailor: I mean what gets started first... it
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