#xubuntu 2007-08-03 * Starting logfile irclogs/xubuntu.log (homebrewcider/#xubuntu) I had it set up so that it would boot directly to windows, for wife and kids, and i would start linux through the f8 key on boot <aussieman> i upgrade last night - got a new firefox but its a bit unstable - anyon else had issues? (homebrewcider/#xubuntu) ok, I'm following the guide and getting somewheere (MajorPayne/#xubuntu) aussieman: Upgrade to what? <aussieman> apt-get upgarde im usinf fiesty sorry <MajorPayne> Ahh. Ok. I thought you were talking about a dist-upgrade. As for the Firefox issue, I'm not sure. <aussieman> its gone all stuck. tabs close and open very slow <aussieman> i had no prob before .... <aussieman> ill just wait to see if someone fixes it soon and use galeon or ? in the meantime if i get annoyed <MajorPayne> I use Epiphany. Maybe someone in #ubuntu knows more about it. That's a general issue. <homebrewcider> hey guys, I'm back I think it went well, guess I'll find out hey? <mkquist> MajorPayne: that a browser? <homebrewcider> epiphany is a browser yes <MajorPayne> mkquist: Yea. It's the default Gnome browser. <aussieman> yeh ill ask if i get pised off more ... i like galeon more than epiphany it has a couple of little things epi dont have <aussieman> thanks for answering MajorPayne <aussieman> homebrewcider, and you too <MajorPayne> aussieman: I may have answered, but I didn't help you much :-| <homebrewcider> rebooting now, fingers crossed <aussieman> oh answering is half the battle - i mean if we talk we find a way .... <homebrewcider> thanx guys <MajorPayne> homebrewcider: Goodluck. * aussieman gonna make some brekky <mkquist> didnt realize that Epiphany was the default... lol <aussieman> yeh but galeon is better :-) <MajorPayne> mkquist: It's the Gnome default, not the Ubuntu default. <mkquist> ic <mkquist> that woruld be the reason then <MajorPayne> I don't know about Galeon, I never tryed it. <MajorPayne> mkquist: It's a bit faster on startup I find. That's the only reason I use it. <MajorPayne> Sometimes I can sit there for a little while waiting for Firefox. <MajorPayne> But it doesn't have all the features of Firefox. <MajorPayne> But it does use the same rendering engine as Firefox, so it should be able to display all the web pages that work with Firefox. <mkquist> was just reading about it on wiki <mikebarta> wireless question? <mikebarta> looks like xubuntu doesn't install wireless support out of the 'box' yes? <MajorPayne> mikebarta: It does have wireless support. <MajorPayne> Try launching nm-applet. <homebrewcider> hey guys <MajorPayne> If that works for you, add it to your startup applications. <homebrewcider> all good <MajorPayne> homebrewcider: Great! <homebrewcider> can I swear here? <MajorPayne> homebrewcider: No. <homebrewcider> you guys are f****** legends <homebrewcider> cheers <MajorPayne> homebrewcider: At least that is what ubotu says :-P <MajorPayne> !ohmy <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly. <MajorPayne> see? <homebrewcider> I put the **** in myself <MajorPayne> Yea, I know. <homebrewcider> so as not to offend <homebrewcider> thanks a million guys <homebrewcider> ok, other work to do <homebrewcider> see yas <mkquist> homebrewcider: ood to hear g/l <mikebarta> hmm.wirelrss.opts isn't there maybe detection issue <MajorPayne> mikebarta: Maybe this will help: <MajorPayne> !wifi <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs <mikebarta> thx <MajorPayne> What is the volume control applet used in Gnome called? I would like to use it in Xubuntu. <mkquist> MajorPayne: ur not talking about alsamixer? <MajorPayne> mkquist: alsamixer is nice, but I don't like to open a terminal every time. <MajorPayne> I am talking about the applet, kinda like nm-applet <mkquist> ic - having probs with this old machine and sound right now myself... idk that one sorry <MajorPayne> Ok. I will continue to use alsamixer. I am sure I will figure it out later. <mrmonday> can you get beryl or compiz fusion on xubuntu? <Pumpernickel> mrmonday: Yes. <mrmonday> thanks <Pumpernickel> MajorPayne: Xubuntu has an almost identical applet - have you had problems with it? <djape> O_o <VladimirMelo> Pumpernickel: do you know if all xfce po files are available in launchpad? <MajorPayne> Pumpernickel: Sorry, I just got back. I havn't found the Xfce applet. <boarder-winterma> hello <boarder-winterma> my problem is in the top line of each program where the name is in, in the top left corner is a little o which should not be there <boarder-winterma> how to get it away <boarder-winterma> installation 1h old <TheSheep> boarder-winterma: settings->window manager settings <TheSheep> boarder-winterma: drag and drop it <TheSheep> boarder-winterma: in the 'button layout' section <TheSheep> boarder-winterma: I assume you mean the 'stick' button <boarder-winterma> no this is no button <boarder-winterma> simply an o <boarder-winterma> you can't click on it ;) <boarder-winterma> i am going to upload screenshot <boarder-winterma> http://rapidshare.com/files/46737534/snapshot1.png.html <MajorPayne> boarder-winterma: You will have to find a better site to host that. It says something about meeting the maximum download for free users. <boarder-winterma> oO <boarder-winterma> ok try annother one :) <MajorPayne> boarder-winterma: Not that I would know how to fix your problem. I am just telling you what happended when I went to that site. <boarder-winterma> omg i thought rapidshare would be good :/ <boarder-winterma> http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NBIJ8QN0 <boarder-winterma> try this one ;) <TheSheep> boarder-winterma: that's a button, just like the 'maximize widnow' and 'close' ones <mrmonday> wheres the "enable desktop effects" option in xubuntu? <TheSheep> boarder-winterma: and you can configure it in the window manager settings <zials> why didn't you use something like imageshack to host the screenshot? <boarder-winterma> don't know :/ <npnfun> I am unable to resize the window using the top edge. <npnfun> what should I do to achieve this. <TheSheep> npnfun: xfwm4 doesn't do that <bambam_> hi <bambam_> i'm experiencing problems with avi-files and mplayer on ppc, it's just breakin on illegal instructions <bambam_> anyone familiar with this problem <bambam_> ? <TheSheep> bambam_: you might want to ask on #mplayer <bambam_> TheSheep: the package comes from multiverse <npnfun> TheSheep; any alternatives if xfwm4 does n't support the feature. <TheSheep> npnfun: of course, you can use the gnome's metacity, for example <npnfun> I am using xubuntu for performance and it is working well. Does metacity will show any impact on this. <TheSheep> npnfun: yes <TheSheep> npnfun: it's fatter than xfwm <npnfun> ok. <npnfun> The quick starter option in openoffice is grayed(disabled). I am unable to enable it. <npnfun> do you know any thing about it. <npnfun> It is working fine in ubuntu. <maxamillion> TheSheep: metacity is faster than xfwm? <TheSheep> fatter <TheSheep> more fat <TheSheep> obese <maxamillion> ah * maxamillion aparently needs more coffee <godless> Uhm. <godless> I get breaks between mp3's during playback... like two songs that should blend ... don't. I tried different players but that's not it. Any thoughts? <godless> it's not a 2 second break. Just enough so as to be not quite right. <TheSheep> godless: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gapless_playback <godless> time for me to get mpd going I guess <godless> even though I'm only rocking one working pc at the moment :) <elbing> rocking all over the world :p <timposey> hello - help, everytime i touch a key my screen flashes and i have to hold down the key for a full second for the letter to appear on the screen <timposey_> I am getting some type of error where my screen flashes and i have to hold each key down for about 2 seconds and wait til after the screen flashes before the letter will print on the screen <timposey_> I am getting some type of error where my screen flashes and i have to hold each key down for about 2 seconds and wait til after the screen flashes before the letter will print on the screen <SolarWar> does anyone here have experience with an ipw2100 wireless driver being unable to associate with an AP <timposey_> I am getting some type of error where my screen flashes and i have to hold each key down for about 2 seconds and wait til after the screen flashes before the letter will print on the screen #xubuntu 2007-08-04 <ir5> anyone know how to watch online streaming video, intended for win media player? <MajorPayne> !codecs | ir5 <ubotu> ir5: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats <MajorPayne> That may be a good start. <MajorPayne> Bahh. He is gone! <timposey> Getting message when trying to boot up system that says ISOLINUX: Disk Error, AX=0000, drive 80 <timposey> Getting message when trying to boot up system that says ISOLINUX: Disk Error 01, AX=0000, drive 80 <timposey> TheSheep: are you here? <digiqq> why doesnt my systray showup on the panel? <nikolam> Argh, any of you tried Tribe3? <Pumpernickel> !anyone <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? <MajorPayne> nikolam: Maybe someone in #ubuntu+1 <Pumpernickel> If you ask in there, make sure you ask your real question. They're no more telepathic than we are. <clefia> Hi, is Synaptic Package Manager's list self updating? <MajorPayne> clefia: Yes. <MajorPayne> clefia: Or you can press reload. <clefia> MajorPayne, I think that worked. The gaim version is still the same though. I'll see if other packages were updated to newer versions <magic_ninja> ne know the package name for libmad <Jester45> !mad <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mad - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi <Jester45> magic_ninja, apt-cache search libmad might help <h3sp4wn> What are the main changes for Ubuntu Gutsy (in terms of XFCE) <Catoptromancy> its really up to xfce i think <Catoptromancy> there should be an updated Xfce I presume <h3sp4wn> I am quite pleased that xubuntu never got that network manager by default <tonyyarusso> h3sp4wn: what do you use instead? <h3sp4wn> tonyyarusso: Nothing - but I may use something on my laptop if I find something suitable <nikolam> Hello <selig5> HI <nikolam> I am using/testing Tribe3 <selig5> ok <nikolam> And I turned on updates (recommendend ones) <nikolam> After few updating (huge may I say) <nikolam> I encountered tons of bugs <nikolam> Am I mistaken to eather turn on recommended updates <tonyyarusso> nikolam: /join #ubuntu+1 for Gutsy issues <nikolam> Or am I mistaken to tribe tribe3+updates for working machine? <nikolam> OK :) <selig5> install stable version <selig5> isn't the purpose of tribe3 release to find bugs? <nikolam> Yes, I will stick to Gutsy tribe3 With updates, so I could report them <hyper_ch> anyone alive? <IonParticle> not really? <hyper_ch> too bad... need someone to test out my proxy server... friend of mine had troubles yesterday <IonParticle> not sure I know what a proxy server is :/ <hyper_ch> IonParticle: proxy servers are cool ;) <IonParticle> lol <IonParticle> what do you need done? <hyper_ch> IonParticle: sombebody already tested it... but I wonder why my friend couldn't use it yesterday <IonParticle> ahh <hyper_ch> IonParticle: well, a proxy server has multiple uses... making connection availables on firewalled networks or anonymized surfing or caching from stuff... <hyper_ch> IonParticle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_server <IonParticle> er, is a vpn server also a proxy server? <hyper_ch> IonParticle: nope <IonParticle> ok <IonParticle> so what are you using it for, hyper_ch? <hyper_ch> IonParticle: is use it on an online-browser-game so that my buddy can look after the account when I can't <IonParticle> ahhh <hyper_ch> yeah, he's in Australia... so when I'm sleeping he is up and can look at the account <IonParticle> cool, you mean when you're sleeping? <IonParticle> lol <hyper_ch> IonParticle: BUT it would be very suspicious if "I" login once from Switzerland and once from Australia within a couple of hours ;) <IonParticle> *shrug* it's just account sharing though, isn't it? <IonParticle> I share the same account in World of WarCraft with my sister <IonParticle> and she's on the other side of the world <IonParticle> too <hyper_ch> IonParticle: it's account sharing but for that online game it's now allowed ;) <hyper_ch> WoW just takes too much time ;) <IonParticle> ahh <hyper_ch> hence making use of proxy :) <IonParticle> all MMOs are timesinks <IonParticle> lol <hyper_ch> well, he doesn't do anything by save my ships and resources if I get attacked... <hyper_ch> so it's not that bad <hyper_ch> luckily on linux there are some problems with running mmorpgs <IonParticle> ll <IonParticle> lol* <hyper_ch> well, I played diablo 2 as beta tester until sometime in v1.10 <hyper_ch> I don't think I played another game as long as diablo 2 <IonParticle> StarCraft for me <IonParticle> even now <IonParticle> I still think it's fun <IonParticle> whereas WoW has been relegated to just tedius <nikolam> Hello, am I crazy or VMWare server is available for FREE for Linux users? :) <hyper_ch> terrans? <hyper_ch> nikolam: nope it is <hyper_ch> nikolam: however you have to register to get a serial <hyper_ch> nikolam: I got myself 100 serials ;) <IonParticle> lol <nikolam> Get setial> Happily ever after :)) <hyper_ch> IonParticle: you sound like a Zerg Player? <IonParticle> I was most proficient at zerg Oo <hyper_ch> zergs are cool <hyper_ch> but I also thought the photon canons were nice, as they attack ground and air tragets <IonParticle> vulnerable with the dependence on pylons though <hyper_ch> that's true.... but what I never really managed to play are the ghosts... I dunno... they just didn't work out somehow <nikolam> Did anyone tried this new expansion pack for St/Broadwar <hyper_ch> new extension pack? <IonParticle> brood war? <nikolam> expension :) "Life of Marine" <hyper_ch> nope, only broodwars <nikolam> is seems that those are sigle-player campaings <IonParticle> ahh <IonParticle> must be unofficial <IonParticle> sc2 coming, woot <nikolam> I dont know if Starcraft 3 is released <nikolam> Or 2 sorry :) <IonParticle> they're developing StarCraft 2 right now <hyper_ch> it will be released... there are already some pics <IonParticle> who knows when they'll release it though <nikolam> I always more liked technology gizmoes than magic and sort of in warcraft.. <nikolam> I am eager to see some Truely multiplayer universe based on Star Trek also <IonParticle> Star Trek Online is in development too <nikolam> No magic: Technology <hyper_ch> hmm, I join up for the Borg collective <nikolam> Ahh, I cant wait :) <IonParticle> but I don't have much hope for Trek gaming, given the state that it's in right now <nikolam> Dunno, I think that I will much better live in that universe then in one based on magic and so <hyper_ch> nikolam: why? <nikolam> Somehow magic is something that is legend or myth and will never be seen in life RL <hyper_ch> nikolam: how can you be so sure? <nikolam> Technology and SF things are known to be reality after few decades <hyper_ch> nikolam: so can magic be ;) <nikolam> I drive a car and we have a spacestation above our heads, not Dragons and Orcs :) <hyper_ch> on a probability scale, there must be some dragons and orcs in our universe <IonParticle> lol <nikolam> LOL <IonParticle> yes, in some galaxy somehwere <IonParticle> somewhere* <hyper_ch> or parallel universe <nikolam> In twilight zone.. Those things are products of imagination of one species on one small planet <nikolam> but laws of physics are universal <hyper_ch> are they? <IonParticle> for this universe <nikolam> So my bet is more on technology based SF, since we could live in it in few decades <TheSheep> the dragons in your mind are as real for *you* as anything else <hyper_ch> how can we be sure, that what we perceive as laws of physics are actually real? <nikolam> We could learn something on Bio-implants and social reactions to robots and so but what I have to do with knowing how to kill a dragon? :) <hyper_ch> if I remember correctly from physics classes the three laws of newtons were overthrown by quantumphsysics <TheSheep> hyper_ch: and then the quantum physics is overthrown by a cat <nikolam> Not evrthrown. But Newton laws are jus special part of quantum <hyper_ch> in the end we are very limited creatures and what we know/see isn't necessarily the way it is <nikolam> When some parameters are small <hyper_ch> TheSheep: you know that cat? <nikolam> Yes, so we develop computers to make smart machines who will create entities who will be smarter then us. <TheSheep> hyper_ch: we don't even know if all of us see the same universe with the same laws :) <hyper_ch> TheSheep: cool :) <hyper_ch> TheSheep: my universe is better than yours ;) <nikolam> Laws or not, my ass cant travel very far in the universe before i die :) <TheSheep> hyper_ch: of course it is, I always get the worst ones :( <hyper_ch> TheSheep: you know why? So that you can improve it ;) <hyper_ch> nikolam: you ass maybe can't but your mind can <nikolam> No it cant my mind is just a state of neuron cells in my brain. I cant put that state into something else and stay beiung the same. We are corportial beings <nikolam> We live and we die and that is what we are. <nikolam> But AI never needs to die <hyper_ch> nikolam: aren't we more than just the sums of our particles? <nikolam> yes, since we call ourselves "inteligent" :) <hyper_ch> so, there has to be something more than just the corportial part <nikolam> The main difference between bird on your widows, your dog and you is your Brain :) <TheSheep> nikolam: I'd be interested in any proofs or indications of the fact that we are corporeal only <nikolam> i`d be interested in some proofs that we aren`t. :) <nikolam> W have soul, that is for shure <TheSheep> besides, this discussion should be probably moved to a less official channel :) <nikolam> Yes :) <hyper_ch> :) <nikolam> Sorry . Enning SF and Game talk. <IonParticle> it's not like anyone else is talking anyways <IonParticle> so go on <IonParticle> lol <fwaokda> ok im new to everything linux and i just installed xubuntu on my ps3. I'm now trying to get the wireless connection to work and found this link: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/geoff/ps3-linux-patches.git;a=commit;h=5ba09ee3f727508064c25d3bbb07e262f79e4380 ......... but don't know what it is or what I need to do with it. Can someone help? <IonParticle> um, nevermind <nikolam> Wow! PS3 Interesting! <fwaokda> ? <hyper_ch> fwaokda: so xubuntu is running? <fwaokda> yup <TheSheep> IonParticle: that page is a patch for the kernel source code <nikolam> Did you found any way to Expand that 256MB of main RAM? <IonParticle> TheSheep, I wish I have a PS3 <TheSheep> IonParticle: sorry, wrong nick :) <nikolam> I wish I have PS3 with minimum 2GB of RAM :) <hyper_ch> fwaokda: can you open a terminal and enter "lspci" and type the line here that has the wifi card in it? <fwaokda> nope, dont guess so. <fwaokda> ok one second <fwaokda> umm nothing happened, i could be doing something wrong though i suppose. <hyper_ch> did you type that in the terminal? <hyper_ch> lspci <nikolam> type lspci <fwaokda> ya i typed it in and it just went to the next line <hyper_ch> what kind of wireless card is it then? <IonParticle> does the ps3 use pci devices? lol <fwaokda> don't know just know it has one. here is a link: http://6585208393/search?q=cache:1g2ox6Em-PYJ:https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/%2Bquestion/5959+ubuntu+ps3+wireless&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us <nikolam> fwaokda: What install Cd you used, just to know? <fwaokda> xubuntu-7.04-desktop-powerpc+ps3.iso <nikolam> Niice :) <nikolam> I wanted to buy PS3 to work on Linux on it but I figured that I cant expand RAM. <fwaokda> well i've never really used linux before so i figured i was bored and what the hell i'd see what happened <nikolam> did you try lsmod <nikolam> Linux is great, It will work under linux, just like under 256MB pc with good graphics <nikolam> Office and so :) <fwaokda> lsmod pulled up alot of stuff but idk what any of it is <fwaokda> I found another link and am currently downloading a new kernel? if that sounds right and im going to try and update it <IonParticle> sounds about right, the other link looks like you'd have to edit the source code to apply the patch and then recompile it yourself <fwaokda> well, i found this one which gave more information http://psubuntu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=449 <IonParticle> nothing to do but try it <IonParticle> good luck <fwaokda> ty ;) <nikolam> hey, fwaokda: check this out: You can use yor huge capacity memory card as Swap if you want to. (providng that memory you are inserting is faster then HD inside ps3) It might boost your speed and usability. <nikolam> http://psubuntu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=351&highlight=expansion <fwaokda> i'll have to look into that right now its pretty quick but then again all im doing is typing in the shell :P <fwaokda> hmm think i just made a boo boo somewhere <fwaokda> sud <fwaokda> err stupid kvmswitch <fwaokda> so... im think i have a typo in my kboot.conf and i just booted by cd how do i edit the kboot.conf on the hdd? sudo nano /etc/kboot.conf? <IonParticle> check /media and /mnt <IonParticle> your hd should be in there somewhere <fwaokda> ya i found my hdd its as "/" on the desktop but i try the cmd and get a blank kboot.conf so im guessing im doing something wrong <IonParticle> it should show the full path when you open it up in Thunar <IonParticle> usually, it's /media/something <IonParticle> on regular comps anyway <IonParticle> Oo <fwaokda> :( <fwaokda> i'll have to take a looksee <fwaokda> well i found it but when i try to save it after editing it says "Can't open file to write" <fwaokda> anyone know how i can find out what my kboot.conf said before I erased it? <MajorPayne> I put nm-applet under autostarted applications. Now when ever I turn on my computer I get A bunch of them started. Last time I turned on my computer I had 6 of them. I killed them all and started one. Now I have 7 of them up there, after a restart. <MajorPayne> I found a topic on it on the Ubuntu forums. I posted my details but no one has came up with a solution yet. Take a look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3132906#post3132906 <vistakiller> MajorPayne try to find the hidden folder of your desktop <vistakiller> and take a backup and delete all of them there <vistakiller> the folder is in your home <whiter> hello... i have a wireless problem <TheSheep> !wifi | whiter <ubotu> whiter: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs <whiter> those arent helping <whiter> i have Compaq Presario F500 with a Broadcom 1390 wireless adapter (built in) and lshw says its disabled... i dont know how to enable it though <TheSheep> whiter: there is no button on your laptop for that? <whiter> yes <whiter> it is switched to the on position <whiter> but the light is the color that means "Off" instead of blue which means "on" <TheSheep> whiter: weak battery? <whiter> its on the charger <TheSheep> whiter: youc checked the forums? <whiter> yes... <TheSheep> no more ideas :( <GuestBaha50> allo <GuestBaha50> lo? <GuestBaha50> koi <MajorPayne> vistakiller: There is no hidden folder on my desktop. <MajorPayne> ls -a reports . and .. <vistakiller> in your home folder <MajorPayne> Ohh. There is many hidden folders in my home directory. But you said desktop. <MajorPayne> What hidden directory are you talking about? <TheSheep> the Desktop directory is not hidden <vistakiller> i have kubuntu but must exist one folder <MajorPayne> TheSheep: No it is not. <MajorPayne> vistakiller: What must exist in a what directory? <vistakiller> that there is the basic setting for your xfce <vistakiller> in kubuntu the name of this folder is .kde <MajorPayne> I already checked most of the directorys unedr .config, where the Xfce config files seem to be. I did not find anything that seems like it would help. <MajorPayne> It was a long shot but I just tried grep nm-cofgig * in ~/ <vistakiller> is there a folder .xfce? <MajorPayne> No. <vistakiller> one autostart folder? <MajorPayne> vistakiller: Most of the Xfce is under ~/.config from what I can see. But I already checked most of the directorys. <MajorPayne> vistakiller: Yes, an autostart directory, but I already removed nm-applet.desktop from that directory. <vistakiller> in the autostart there is a text? <MajorPayne> vistakiller: There is nothing in the autostart directory any more. <vistakiller> and the nm-applet has a folder in hidden folders? <MajorPayne> wintermu2e: What hidden directory are you talking about? There is many hidden directorys? <MajorPayne> vistakiller: ^^ <vistakiller> try to find this folder and delete it <chals> hi, someone can helpme <MajorPayne> vistakiller: Delete what directory? <MajorPayne> !ask | chals <ubotu> chals: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :) <chals> my bar task disaapear <chals> how can i launchthe kde manager <vistakiller> the directory for nm-applets in your home <MajorPayne> vistakiller: There is no directory for nm-applet in my home directory. <vistakiller> the other tha you can do is to delete the hidden folder with the basic settings of your desktop <vistakiller> taka and a backup <MajorPayne> vistakiller: That wolud be bad. I like my settings. <vistakiller> for tha you will take a backup to recovery anything you can <vistakiller> recover* <MajorPayne> vistakiller: But if I back it up, remove it and add it again would it not come back? <MajorPayne> chals: Are you using Xfce or KDE? <chals> KDE <MajorPayne> chals: Ahh. Ok. This is the #xubuntu channel. Maybe someone in #kubuntu knows. <chals> OK <arthur_Nix> Hi... I want to get under the hood a little more with xubuntu. I plan on installing xubuntu server and building things up from there, starting with xfce4 and xfce4-goodies. Am I just wasting my time though, should I just install xubuntu and tweak it a bit? Anyone have an opinion on this? <vistakiller> if you have time do it <Pumpernickel> You'd get to know the package manager, but not much more closely than you would by spending a few minutes with the manual. <arthur_Nix> I want a lean system, as simple as possible (one app / one purpose), and don't want a lot of gui config options, because I don't mind breaking out the man pages or google to figure out how to change things in CLI. <arthur_Nix> I looked at Arch, but I don't like the rolling release idea. I looked at debian, but I want more frequent update and more active development cycle. Ubuntu seems to be where its at, I just want more CLI control over the system and less GUI interference. Maybe a server install with openbox is a better way to go? <hyper_ch> what do you want the gui to do? <hyper_ch> I mean what do yo need a gui for? <TheSheep> arthur_Nix: I think you'd like gentoo ;) <hyper_ch> once you know what you need it for, you can then select which gui suits you best <hyper_ch> gentoo = lots of time to work on it * hyper_ch is finally upgrading the server from sarge to etch ;) <TheSheep> hyper_ch: good thing it's not from RA to AC <TheSheep> :) <TheSheep> Ra to Ac actually <hyper_ch> TheSheep: Ra was the Sun God in ancient Egypt but no clue what Ac is <TheSheep> hyper_ch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actinium <MajorPayne> Gentoo was nice, but it would take me a full weekend to go from nothing to a working system. Was was fun about Gentoo was while I was setting it up I could be using Knopix. <MajorPayne> But I haven't played with Gentoo for a couple of years. Who knows what you can do now. <hyper_ch> TheSheep: thx ;) <arthur_Nix> Isn't gentoo a rolling release distro? <MajorPayne> I like Ubuntu because I am tired of things failing to compile. <MajorPayne> arthur_Nix: It was when I used it. <arthur_Nix> hyper_ch: Good point. <hyper_ch> what did I say? <TheSheep> hyper_ch: the other distribution I used uses the names (and symbols) of elements for the releases <TheSheep> hyper_ch: it started with radium, the current unstable is thor <TheSheep> hyper_ch: thorium <hyper_ch> TheSheep: there is another distro next to Gentoo, Debian, Slackware, Ubuntu, FC, Red Hat, Mandriva and Suse? <hyper_ch> interesting naming system :) <TheSheep> hyper_ch: pld linux, ditro by admins for admins, users need not apply ;) * hyper_ch is a user and pseudo-admin ;) <MajorPayne> CentOS. <MajorPayne> But that is much like RHEL. <MajorPayne> And Yello Dog if you are on PPC. <arthur_Nix> Just to give you an example of what I consider unnecessary, gui stuff would be the automatic update feature of Ubuntu. I'd rather not have that running all the time and just run a sudo aptitude update / upgrade once a week. <TheSheep> arthur_Nix: just disable it in settings->autostarted applications <TheSheep> arthur_Nix: I think you can do better form the xubuntu end <TheSheep> arthur_Nix: compared to ubuntu server end * TheSheep <-- did it from the ubuntu server end ;) <arthur_Nix> The sheep: Yeah... thinking that too. <TheSheep> arthur_Nix: lots of small little apps you don't miss until it's too late <TheSheep> arthur_Nix: of course, if you have access to the internet all the time and no really urgent things, you can just follow "install when you need it" principle <arthur_Nix> That's kinda my situation. I'd go server install and get my essential things in place (xfce4 xfce4-goodies mozilla-firefox mozilla-thunderbird abiword 915resolution) then see what doesn't work. I think either route will end up at pretty much the same place, it's just a question of whether I want to start with all features and then figure out what I don't need by removing stuff, or start with nothing and figure out what I need to ad <arthur_Nix> oops, missing xdm I think from my essential list. <arthur_Nix> Ok... thanks for the discussion people. <arthur_Nix> I'm off to break stuff. #xubuntu 2007-08-05 <xjkx> cant make cups work !! <xjkx> No f-- password works on admin thing <Melquiades> lol <Melquiades> i remember that being a problem <xjkx> :< <xjkx> it sounds like a bug, it should come perfectly usable <Melquiades> i don't think it's a bug, i think i was doing something noobish <Melquiades> it's been a long time though <pfein> If I have a fresh Ubuntu (ie, Gnome) install + a Xubuntu Desktop CD, how can I get xubuntu-desktop installed? <Melquiades> there is a way to basically do this w/out even using the cd <Melquiades> you have to replace gnome with kfce <Melquiades> it looks different but it is essentially the same thing <Melquiades> the easiest option is just to install xubuntu and then add the ubuntu elements you need <pfein> Melquiades: no, I *want* to use the CD, I don't have net access on the target yet <pfein> nm <Melquiades> and I'm supposed to know that? <Melquiades> LOL <mkquist> pfein - just add the cd to your repositories in package manager <mkquist> pfein - then u can just sudo-apt get it <pfein> mkquist: yup, figured it out. & discovered apt-cdrom <pfein> ;) <mkquist> k <Wankus> Hi, whats the best way to connect to a wireless network (wpa encryption) through a xubuntu laptop? Network-manager? <vidd_laptop> yes <Wankus> so ,its "sudo aptitude install network-manager" ? <vidd_laptop> no.....network-manager is pre-installed <Wankus> it is? how do i find it, I'm on feisty? <pfein> mkquist: so I've got the cd in my sources.list, but xubuntu-desktop is unknown to apt-get/apt-cache <vidd_laptop> applications>system>network <Wankus> I tried that, but I couldn't use wpa for it. <Wankus> jus wep <vidd_laptop> hrm..then idk <vidd_laptop> =\ <Wankus> can you use wpa in yours? <vidd_laptop> never tried <Wankus> ok, thanks for the help anyways <mkquist> pfein - try xfce and see what happens <pfein> mkquist: oops, go frustrated & turned it off. maybe later. thx tho. <pfein> how does one get those "tasks" tho? <pfein> nm <ircusr> hi <Jester45> hi <ircusr> sup <pfein> yo <Jester45> hi <hyper_ch> !nvidia <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto <bio__> does anyone know a program that will make the computer read print? <TheSheep> bio__: gocr and various other ocr programs <bio__> there are a few it appears in the synaptic if you search "speech" <bio__> it appears <bio__> text to speech programs <TheSheep> ah, I thought you meant text recognition <bio__> I got something okay <bio__> espeak <bio__> How's Ron Paul doing with you? <TheSheep> bio__: I beg you pardon? <bio__> Ron Paul for President 2008? Doesn't ring a bell? <bio__> You should Google him, especially if you're American <TheSheep> !ot <ubotu> #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome! <bio__> Xubuntu and Ron Paul are like peas and carrots (if you are in a region where such colloquialisms are recognizable) <bio__> anyhoo, see you later! <bio__> Thanks for the chatter <bio__> !xubuntu <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels <bio__> I'll go to #ronpaul <TheSheep> bio__: we don't do politics on freenode, consider yourself warned <magic_ninja> are there any reasons i would have a samba server installed, seeing as I have not manually installed or configured one <magic_ninja> !.deb <ubotu> deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu) <Catoptromancy_> wow heh <Catoptromancy_> 50 mbs of updates <Catoptromancy_> guess I kinda forgot <jasonx> Has anybody got the "Rezlooks" theme engine working on Feisty (Xubuntu PPC)? I have compiled the engine and put some themes in my .themes folder but nothing shows up <abedo> guys I put a php file in var/www , but when I click a link that point to this file , It open the download dialog instead go to another page . <hyper_ch> abedo: how did you link that file? <Pumpernickel> Sounds like you don't have mod_php set up properly. <abedo> hyper_ch: href like any hyperlink <abedo> <a href="test.php"> <pleia2> how important is it to have hald running? * pleia2 has 3243 year old laptop, and hald is taking up about 7% of her precious ram <pleia2> based on the description and how often I plug in new hardware, I'm leaning toward "not important at all" <TheSheep> pleia2: you also need hal for thunar to see inserted cd's and for it to eject them <pleia2> TheSheep: already uninstalled thunar, don't need it <pleia2> how about for when I plug in my usb mouse? <TheSheep> I guess that is handled by udev <pleia2> I expect so <TheSheep> pleia2: maybe you would be happier with a more advanced but lighted distro <TheSheep> pleia2: like archlinux <pleia2> TheSheep: this laptop already dual boots xubuntu and debian, I'm running xubuntu mostly because of the superior wireless support <TheSheep> ah, ok <pleia2> so I use xubuntu for when I'm on the road, debian for development (I maintain a couple packages) <VladimirMelo> do we have news about xfce schedule for ubuntu? <TheSheep> VladimirMelo: did you check the wiki? <VladimirMelo> TheSheep: no, i didn't, is there any information there? <TheSheep> VladimirMelo: that's where I'd start looking <VladimirMelo> TheSheep: ok :) <TheSheep> !schedule <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases <TheSheep> some starting points :) <VladimirMelo> TheSheep: I'm reading about plans, by the way, I'm working to join gnome and xfce translation teams, but it's not easy <ReCola> hello, anyone here can help me with new install of xubuntu? <Pumpernickel> !anyone <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? <ReCola> lol .. i just installed on old compaq presario 1670, at start up i get message .. ACPI: unable to locate RSDP <TheSheep> ReCola: that's harmless warning <ReCola> hmmm .. it will not complete start up .. it stalls at spinning wheel <Pumpernickel> Have you tried booting with acpi disabled? <ReCola> no <Pumpernickel> It could be worth testing. <ReCola> thank you. <Catoptromancy> anyone happen to know a good mod tracker? <taggartbg> so...i have a laptop running xubuntu 7.04, and I have a wireless card - a linksys. I unblacklisted it's driver (r818x), i modprobed it, it worked in the past - now when i do the exact same thing i get no results <taggartbg> iwconfig recognizes the card, but its as if its dead <taggartbg> however, its a brand new card <taggartbg> any help would be greatly appreciated <Catoptromancy> linksys should work perfectly with ndiswrapper <taggartbg> isn't that basically for using a windows driver on linux? <Catoptromancy> makes mine work fine <taggartbg> i don't see why i would do that, if fiesty fawn has a driver built in that worked last time i used the laptop <taggartbg> I'll look into it though, thanks <taggartbg> any other ideas? <str1> can anyone here tell me what happens if you unstall xfce from xubuntu feisty ? does the system still work if i have another gui system like kde on it ? also how do i remove xfce ? any pointer would be appreciated <zials> . . . why not just install kubuntu? <str1> zials: i already have kde+xfce on xubuntu feisty.... i simply want to update from xfce 4.4.0 to 4.4.1 <str1> zials: i have the 4.4.1 graphical installer but i am unsure if i first need to remove old xfce <Catoptromancy> wouldnt update manager do that <zials> you don't need to worry about xfce in that case... <str1> zials: oh ok so i can simple install the new one using the graphical setup ? <zials> it sounds relatively safe <str1> ok great. thanks for the help <taggartbg> anybody have any ideas on my wifi card situation? <Catoptromancy> linksys are very compatible <Catoptromancy> exactly what model adaptor <taggartbg> erm, h/o <Catoptromancy> http://damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/Verified_Wireless_Cards <taggartbg> WPC11-VN v.4 <taggartbg> it worked before <taggartbg> it uses the r818x driver <taggartbg> oh <taggartbg> wow <taggartbg> ...I forgo sudo... <Catoptromancy> heh <taggartbg> /stupid <taggartbg> sorry :-P <Catoptromancy> heh and that was the DSL wiki <Catoptromancy> its about the same for ubuntu <taggartbg> have you / anyone here ever used wifi-radar? <Catoptromancy> not even sure what that is <taggartbg> its a wireless network manager <Catoptromancy> i use the one that came with pl <Catoptromancy> pc <taggartbg> its not very straighforward <Catoptromancy> gui in xfce, is easier to install USB wireless card in Linux than Windows <taggartbg> anybody use xubuntu on a WPA network? <taggartbg> moreover, does anybody use wifi-radar? <taggartbg> or, even if you don't use wifi-radar, any idea why my loopback says "no wireless extensions."? <clouder> what's the name of the app that xfce uses to adjust desktop gamma? <fijam> hello <fijam> intel i810, internal screen - 1280x800, external CRT - 1024x768, Xinerama <fijam> how to change refresh rate for CRT? <fijam> none of the obvious options seems to work and I am growing tired of this. <clouder> The only thing I can think of is setting them independently in the monitor sections of your xorg.conf. not sure how obvious you would consider that though <fijam> I have tried that, it seems to be ignored * fijam delves into xorg logs <fijam> it's past midnight already, I'll look into it tomorrow #xubuntu 2007-08-06 <pfein> filling /boot can lead to mysterious problems <Jester45> why would you want to fill it <pfein> Jester45: I didn't on purpose. <Jester45> run df so you know whats going on with space :) <nextse7en> Does xubuntu come with a wireless network utility so I don't have to type in my ssid? <Jester45> it has a utility to setup your network but i think you still have to type it in <nextse7en> Odd, its see's the wireless interface, both in lspci and in the network settings dialog. But when I type in the ssid, and the other info its asking for, I'm still not connected. <Jester45> did you press connect <nextse7en> I don't see a connect button. <Jester45> i do not think it being in lspci means its working <nextse7en> Right, but its also in Network setting dialog, it recognizes it at a wireless connection. <Jester45> its a check box <nextse7en> Ahh yes, I have enabled it, I wonder if I need to specifie dns servers for it as well. <Jester45> it would probly be the ip of your router <Jester45> how can i look at my cpu temp? <Jester45> acpi way <Jester45> nevermind i got it <woodtech> I am trying to solve sounds under xubuntu; everywhere I go I'm refered to system / preferences / sounds, but at least my install of xubuntu does not have that. Am I missing something in my install ? <Rockinghorse> Accessories System Settings <woodtech> I don't happen to have that as an entry in my menu's either ... <Rockinghorse> Really? I do <woodtech> I know, I did a full install right from a freshly burnt CD .. <Rockinghorse> It's a kde app, may not be in ur install. <Rockinghorse> have you tried alsamixer? <woodtech> That runs and shows volume, etc. I can play a movie etc. What I'm after is notification sounds etc <woodtech> It's like my system is totally on mute unless I play a movie <woodtech> if it's a kde app would you happen to know the name/path that I might just directly call it? <woodtech> I know in ubuntu there are sounds associated with system events,etc. <Rockinghorse> I was just trying to find it. <woodtech> Is that an aspect that is not included in xubuntu? <woodtech> Oh, great thanks <woodtech> I was running Vista, and just got tired of the extremely sluggish performance so I thought I'd go back to linux. <woodtech> Figured, xubuntu would be the best for performance <Jester45> knoppix is pretty fast for being kde <Jester45> gentoo would probly be 2nd best with lfs be first for speed <Pelo> evening folks, I need a little help to make a shortcut which I can't seem to get back, the rename applet that comes with thunar, can someone check the launcher in the menues and tell me what the command to start it is ? <Rockinghorse> application, settings, settings manager not on ur menu, woodtech <Jester45> Pelo, the multipule renamer <Pelo> Jester45, yes <Jester45> hold on <Pelo> that's the single most usefull utility I've ever encountered <Jester45> i dont know the command but you can get it by selecting 2 or more files and pressing rename <Pelo> Jester45, I don'T run xubuntu, I'm in ubuntu, it's not installed by default, and even if I reinstall it ( which i just did ) the menu entry disapeared and I can't seem to get it back <woodtech> Yes, I have that and it has 'Sound' as an option but that only lists 'useful controls' <Jester45> look in /usr/share/applications <Pelo> Jester45, thanks <Pelo> ThunarBulkRename %F <Pelo> thanks Jester45 <Jester45> welcome <Jester45> i would of looked for you but i deleted mine <Rockinghorse> the only thing I can think is adjust your settings from KDE and then maybe they will carry over in Xfce? <woodtech> Ok, thanks I'll give that a shot. Hadn't thought of switching to KDE and back. <Jester45> what are you trying to fix <Rockinghorse> That sound utility seems like it has a pc speaker option. Is it turned on? <Rockinghorse> You can CTRl at bkspc and log in for kde session. then do the same to come back to xfce <woodtech> Yes, I played a sound clip/movie clip from my /home/{username}/examples folder and sound was great <woodtech> Ok, thanks guys appreciate the pointers. <Rockinghorse> Good luck <Jester45> Rockinghorse, why not just log out or restart g(k)dm <woodtech> Bailing to give your advice a go.... <Rockinghorse> I alwasys ctr alt bksp to quit my session and then choose my window manager and log bk in. You could run 2 sessions same time, but is memory hog. <Jester45> Rockinghorse, have fun when something messes up because you instantly kill all gui programs <Rockinghorse> Jester45: have fun when something messes u: like what might happen? <Rockinghorse> In that case I guess I would have to restart KDM or GDM <Jester45> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart <Rockinghorse> I always close open windows before I do this, anyway, Jester45. OK, thanks for the tip! <Jester45> its a harsh way to go down but better <Rockinghorse> OK, I will try it sometime. <Rockinghorse> I'm looking at themes rite davidhull@example.net <magic_ninja> is there a better mp3 to ogg converter then soundconverter, i find it quite buggy <test3r> So, has ne1 had the chance of getting one of the new Dells shipping with ubuntu??? Are they really going to do More boxes like that (per the rumor)? <Rockinghorse> The ubuntu forums have a special Dell section <test3r> oh you're kidding? That is so pimp- I'm glad to have played a (small) part in getting it all together <Rockinghorse> Well, I didn't say *that* <test3r> lol? Erm, you're right- I was the one that called it "pimp." <pfein> how do I get the little panel applet update notifier thingy? <pfein> how do I get the synaptic update notifier applet in the panel? <Jester45> thats a gnome thing <Jester45> i think <pfein> Jester45: is there anything similar? <Jester45> not that i know of <Jester45> i just use cron to upgrade * pfein notes that his fresh xubuntu came w/ synaptic... <pfein> yeah, ok <Jester45> they all do <Jester45> synaptic is just a frontend to apt <Jester45> apt-get update updates list apt-get upgrade upgrades <Jester45> apt-get install packagename and apt-cache search TERM <Jester45> apt-get remove packagename <Jester45> hi BFTD <BFTD> hi <test3r> a portable mp3 player. with bluetooth headsets. Does anyone else think this is ridiculous? or is it just me? <Catoptromancy_> depends <Catoptromancy_> would be cool for a few people to listen to same mp3 with headphones <test3r> I'll take my $$$ to Big Lots (discount store) and get a gig player (a 1/4 the storage size) for just $30 as opposed to the $500 that fancy bluetooth thing probably costs <Catoptromancy_> I remember hunching around my friends when we had 1 walkman and 3 headphones <test3r> I dont know Anyone that has bluetooth headphones <Catoptromancy_> ya <Catoptromancy_> heh <Catoptromancy_> but in theory it would be really cool <test3r> didnt bluetooth itself possibly cause prob in your brain though? like cell phones do? <test3r> the wavelength of that being right on your ear for extended times like that <Jester45> i dont think its a problem <Jester45> radio waves are allways flowing around you <test3r> Yeah I just ran a quick search - apparently bluetooth and wifi operate on diff frequencies than cell phones of course, & those frequencies used are micro waves & they say it should be fine <Jester45> the only problem i would think of is some smart guy making a laptop override your music with advertisements or just a high pitched noise <test3r> don't you need a transmitter capable of doing that bandwidth tho? <test3r> like - i cant make my wifi card do cell phone freq - Can I ? <Jester45> like my phone's ring <test3r> or Can I? <Jester45> you can make bluetooth do it <Jester45> i got a walke-talke that picks up cell phones <Jester45> or maybe that was just house phones <test3r> yeah but that means youd have to have a hacker thatHAS a laptop that has a bluetooth sender that has proper drivers to allow him to send manual commands and script those commands <test3r> i know the new ones come built in <Jester45> a hacker WOULD hack the drivers <Jester45> and a hacker would probly have some handheld device <test3r> still its not an ez task. and those things certainly dont use the drivers i use for wifi <Jester45> it just a matter of time before he can send a signal to your headphones <test3r> the hardware itself has to support the calls, too jester <Jester45> have you been to hackaday <Jester45> this 16-18 year old made a fusion reactor <Jester45> or fission t <test3r> im skeptical but it could prob be done. No I am poor. The only place I've been on vacation in my country is Mammoth Caves which was really cool <Jester45> hackaday is a website :) <test3r> and I'm sure the 16 year old used components that would generate the responses he seekt <test3r> he didnt substitute a blender for your kitchen in place of a transmitter <Jester45> ?? <test3r> im saying - the bluetooth card has to be able to do it, to <test3r> too. it has to take hardware calls of crazy types & stay working <test3r> not everyones cards are built like a brick-s***-house <test3r> it was only luck that taught me this. otherwise id prob still be trying to "look through the door instead of the window" <Jester45> your a very confusing person :) <test3r> I looked to get a job with the manuf. of my card, but they need very skilled people that can talk with it in binary & I'm not that good <test3r> jester> yes I am confusing sometimes, but I wasn't trying to be, just now. =( try to re-read it I'll look too <Jester45> i speak fluent binary <Jester45> 1011011001100100111001 <test3r> yeah me too see 100101010101011101010101 <test3r> =9 <Jester45> dont ask what it is but its there <test3r> pay me $100/h to do that =D <test3r> heh, no seriously though, the guys that do that to the wireless cards when they make them? <test3r> they setup things the card can do. without them doing this <test3r> the card cant do anything special. So - a large part of getting a laptop
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