#edubuntu 2005-09-01 !lilo:*! I can't imagine what the people doing this stuff actually think it's going to accomplish. 8) !lilo:*! Anyway, definitely consider +E !lilo:*! It only applies to private messages. !lilo:*! services being restarted, please bear with us -NickServ(johncrosby@example.net.)- This nickname is owned by someone else -NickServ(johncrosby@example.net.)- If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password> <eps> any one have the deb lines for sources.list? I want the snapshot builds (using sid) <eps> wws <ball> hello jeang <jeang> hiya <ball> welcome back JaneW <jsgotangco> hi all <jsgotangco> JaneW: fancy seeing you here on a saturday <DanielC> Hello, does anyone know where the icons for Nautilus are located? <DanielC> Nautilus is not showing any icons. I want to check that they (the png files) are actually installed and readable. <DanielC> I've tried changing the Nautilus theme with no effect. <jeang> danielc - try /usr/share/icons <DanielC> jeang: thanks <jeang> unfortunately I have installed icon sets so don't know what the default is ... sigh...8-) <DanielC> :-) <jsgotangco> the default for edubuntu should be gartoon (not so sure if its already packaged though) <DanielC> My computer shows Human, Sandy, and a few others... <jsgotangco> DanielC: because that's pretty much Ubuntu at the moment <DanielC> Okay, I can see icons there, and they are definitely readable. <DanielC> I would be happy for Ubuntu to use any theme that can display icons... but changing the theme doesn't seem to have any effect. <DanielC> I'll keep trying... :-) <jsgotangco> Ubuntu only has Human/Gnome icons by default <DanielC> I would be happy if I could make Nautilus use those. <jsgotangco> strange that nautilus doesnt use them <jsgotangco> thouh <DanielC> But as it is, every file and every folder has the same non-descript icon (the one that looks like a blank sheet of paper). <DanielC> You know the icon Nautilus uses when it doesn't know what a file is. That's the one it uses for everything. <jeang> you may need to install a icon set from gnome-look.org, default is pretty bland <DanielC> jeang: If I could get just the default to work that would suffice. :-) <jeang> strangely when i run nautilus from a root terminal i get just the paper type icon, very few picture types. <DanielC> hmm... <DanielC> That's what I see right now with Edubuntu. <DanielC> Strangely, that's only on the thin client. <DanielC> On the server I can see the icons just fine. <jeang> ok can't comment 'cos i'm running off a ubuntu box - so anything I say is probably absolute rubbish. <jeang> isn't there a user.conf file on the server that you can mod to set the icon / theme for users?? <DanielC> I'm johncrosby@example.net. I've never heard of user.conf. Where can I find it? <jeang> absolute stab in the dark 'cos I don't know enough about LTSP set ups <jeang> but there must be some file for user defined data on the server! <DanielC> yes, there is. <DanielC> I just don't quite know how all this works. <DanielC> I've been using the Gconf editor and the standard theme editor on the thin client. <DanielC> Those should affect some file in ~/.gconf/ that tells Gnome what theme to use. <DanielC> That's where my knowledge stops. <jeang> hey don't johncrosby@example.net... any smart people in the room??? <DanielC> :-) <jeang> I see seveas is here but he is busy on ubuntu-nl - maybe he can give a hint... <Seveas> hm? <Seveas> someone called? <DanielC> Help help my icons are gone... ;-) <Seveas> look under your desk <DanielC> I'm having problems with icons on Nautilus. <DanielC> :-) <jeang> damn another keyboard gone - dont drink and drive! <DanielC> On the thin client, Nautilus is not showing the correct icons. <DanielC> In deed, it uses the same icon for everything (all files and folders). <Seveas> hmm <Seveas> from all user accounts? <DanielC> You know that icon of a blank sheet of paper? the one Nautilus uses when it doesn't know what to do? That's the one it uses for everything. <DanielC> There is only one user so far. <jsgotangco> im gonna play dungeon siege 2 first <jsgotangco> brb <DanielC> I only finished installing this last night. <DanielC> I have found the icons that it *should* show. They are in /usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/filesystems/ <annomous> im thinking from a student point of view that it would not!!! be a good idea to add an irc client because itmight distract the students from whatever they are sapost to be doing <DanielC> I can browse there and verify that the .svg files are there, and Nautilus can display them. <annomous> or teacher point of wiew <DanielC> It's very strange that on the server Nautilus uses the icons just fine. But on the client it doesn't. <DanielC> Oh well, here's a different question. Does anyone know how to change the login screen to something that looks better? <DanielC> Right now, on the thin client, you get a black background, and a little, unattractive login screen that says "LTSP Sever". <DanielC> If I could change it to the default Ubuntu one, for example, I'd be very happy. <DanielC> If I could just change the background to something, anything!, I'd be happy :-) <DanielC> I tried the usual gdm config tool from the thin client, but it didn't make any difference. <cyphase> hey everyone <DanielC> hi <jeang> hiya -sorry out replacing coffee levels...... #edubuntu 2005-09-02 <signifer123> hey <LinuxJones> hi <cyphase> hey everyone <DanielC> Yo. Does anyone know how to get the "face browser" on the LTSP login screen? <DanielC> I've tried using the GDM config tool without success. <DanielC> I think the kids would love it if they could click on their class instead of typing a name. <DanielC> (elementary school kids) [Laur({{EMAIL+PHONE}})] hi <JeanG> daniel - get any further with the login screens? <DanielC> JeanG: I discovered that the thin clients are not using GDM at all :-( <DanielC> They are using what looks like a custom Gtk app. <DanielC> It's written in Pythong+Gtk+Glade. <DanielC> Python <JeanG> pythong - someting to wear to the beach? <DanielC> Python is a programming language. :-) <DanielC> I looked at the source code to see if I could edit it to make it have a nice johncrosby@example.net. <DanielC> But I just don't know enough about Python, or Gtk or Glade to make that change. <JeanG> and they say linux is easy;) <DanielC> hacking source code often isn't :-) <DanielC> I don't understand why it can't use GDM like everyone else... <JeanG> maybe too much data for efficient thin client use? <DanielC> maybe <DanielC> that would make sense I guess. <JeanG> have similar trouble with MS remote desktop on a busy network <JeanG> time to poll out gigabit ;-) <DanielC> gigabit? <JeanG> err that should be roll out........ <JeanG> ethernet on a busy network <DanielC> ok !lilo:*! Hi all. A channel has been set up for hurricane tracking; currently it's johncrosby@example.net. Please stop by ##hurricane if you're interested. Thanks. !lilo:*! Small non-main-rotation server split; about 500 users affected. !lilo:*! Most of those would be IPv6 users. #edubuntu 2005-09-03 <jsgotangco> hey all <jsgotangco> JaneW: ping? <JaneW> hi jsgotangco <JaneW> what's up? <JaneW> brb <jsgotangco> gyaah <jsgotangco> what's up then brb? <jsgotangco> i was hoping to ask your opinion <jsgotangco> err ogra? <JaneW> relax <JaneW> I said I'd brb <JaneW> and here I am * jsgotangco is cramming <jsgotangco> JaneW: i'm supposed to give a talk on Free Software on 11 campuses starting wednesday <jsgotangco> i want to ask if you I missed something <JaneW> ok... <jsgotangco> the talk is basically aobut FOSS trends and issues <JaneW> 11! <JaneW> wow <jsgotangco> and the audience are students/facult <JaneW> your very own roadshow tour <jsgotangco> yes except i have no groupies <JaneW> do you have groupies yet? ;) <JaneW> snap <jsgotangco> anyways, johncrosby@example.net <jsgotangco> so i have this FOSS talk <jsgotangco> i started the slide with "My Involvement" sort of an introduction of myself <jsgotangco> then i went ahead to "FOSS in a nutshell" sort of a primer <jsgotangco> then "FOSS Today" <jsgotangco> "WHY FOSS?" - a general question with general answers <jsgotangco> then i go specifically to the academe <jsgotangco> "Why schools should use FOSS" <jsgotangco> "Why students should use FOSS" <jsgotangco> then "FOSS in the future" (If i find one) <jsgotangco> then close it up with 3 slides like "Getting Started", "Getting Involved" and probably a demo of the OpenCD <jsgotangco> some material in the cookbook has been helpful <jsgotangco> (FOSS in the future would probably include Edubuntu) <jsgotangco> i'm only given 45 mins btw. <jsgotangco> Ms Weideman? <jsgotangco> :) <JaneW> yes <JaneW> sounds good <jsgotangco> err nothing to add that i missed? <JaneW> where am I looking on that link? <jsgotangco> no its not there yet <JaneW> oic <JaneW> sorry my mind is one something else <JaneW> let me focus... <jsgotangco> if you're quite busy, don't worry about it let me do the worrying :) <JaneW> have you had a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Presentations yet? <JaneW> I can;t immediately find any gaps in your topics, sounds pretty well rounded <jsgotangco> JaneW: that is Ubuntu-specific I will be presenting an adaptation of Mako and Jeff's slides on the 14th at LinuxWorld <JaneW> oic <JaneW> ok so you are talkking FOSS in general? <JaneW> but will punt us subtelly anyway? ;) <jsgotangco> JaneW: yup <jsgotangco> JaneW: i'll be RMS without the beard <jsgotangco> and the zealotry <JaneW> lol <ogra> morning... <jsgotangco> hi ogra <jsgotangco> JaneW: so i guess its quite ok? <JaneW> jsgotangco: yes I think tat looks good, I am happy to review once you have some info... but your headings are fine :) <jsgotangco> ok I am doing it in OOo 2 btw so it'll be a bit different than your usual OOo file <jsgotangco> brb <JaneW> highvoltage: ping <ogra> highvoltage, additional ping.... <JaneW> highvoltage/ ogra: do you have edit rights on all the edubuntu wiki pages? * JaneW wants to edit the fortunecookies page - but does not have the required access, and elmo has not yet responded to my request. <ogra> no idea, all i needed to edit i could edit in the past... any specific page ? <JaneW> ^^ <ogra> me neither.. <ogra> so lets for elmo :) -NickServ(johncrosby@example.net.)- This nickname is owned by someone else -NickServ(johncrosby@example.net.)- If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password> * IRCD=dancer CAPAB CHANTYPES=# EXCEPTS INVEX CHANMODES=bdeIq,k,lfJD,cgijLmnPQrRstz CHANLIMIT=#:20 PREFIX=(ov)@+ MAXLIST=bdeI:50 MODES=4 STATUSMSG=@ KNOCK NICKLEN=16 :are supported by this server * SAFELIST CASEMAPPING=ascii CHANNELLEN=30 TOPICLEN=450 KICKLEN=450 KEYLEN=23 USERLEN=10 HOSTLEN=63 SILENCE=50 are supported by this server * #ubuntu #ubuntu-unregged Forwarding to another channel (Seveaz/#ubuntu-unregged) This is not the #ubuntu support channel. Due to a spambot attack, only registered users can access that channel. To register: /msg nickserv help register (or read http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup ) To prevent bots from spamming you: /umode +CE Please LEAVE this channel asap. -NickServ(johncrosby@example.net.)- This nickname is owned by someone else -NickServ(johncrosby@example.net.)- If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password> <pvanhoof> lol <pvanhoof> This is the result of nickserv being slow <pvanhoof> it's exactly what the spammed needed :) <Seveaz> This is not the #ubuntu support channel. Due to a spambot attack, only registered users can access that channel. To register: /msg nickserv help register (or read http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup ) To prevent bots from spamming you: /umode +CE Please LEAVE this channel asap. <Micksa> WTF? [adanam({{EMAIL+PHONE}})] Free WebCamera Sex Movie For sign => http://canliporno.gen.ms <Micksa> oh, farkinell <Seveaz> This is not the #ubuntu support channel. Due to a spambot attack, only registered users can access that channel. To register: /msg nickserv help register (or read http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup ) To prevent bots from spamming you: /umode +CE Please LEAVE this channel asap. [talat({{EMAIL+PHONE}})] Free WebCamera Sex Movie For sign => http://canliporno.gen.ms <ogra:#edubuntu> JaneW, if in the future someone complains about missing gui login... not themeable etc, point them to http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/, there is a themeable login manager ... not sure if mdz will include it <Seveaz> This is not the #ubuntu support channel. Due to a spambot attack, only registered users can access that channel. To register: /msg nickserv help register (or read http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup ) To prevent bots from spamming you: /umode +CE Please LEAVE this channel asap. <thenuke> unregged <JaneW:#edubuntu> ok will do.. <ogra:#edubuntu> highvoltage, do you have a rinniong edubuntu ltsp around where you could test this ? * JaneW is not sure if elmo will respond to a request from me... <ogra:#edubuntu> running even <JaneW:#edubuntu> ogra: can you put a note of that on the wiki on yout testing page? <ogra:#edubuntu> elmo worked until 6am (according to the logs) i doubt he'll be up early <Seveaz> This is not the #ubuntu support channel. Due to a spambot attack, only registered users can access that channel. To register: /msg nickserv help register (or read http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup ) To prevent bots from spamming you: /umode +CE Please LEAVE this channel asap. <JaneW:#edubuntu> ogra: ok, he no doubt has more nb things going on... ours is low priorty... <Znarl> 0/leave ubuntu-unregged <ogra:#edubuntu> JaneW, i dont want to make it official yet, i sent the first version of it to mdz around wednesday, he didnt include it yet... and my installation of the tool is pretty intrusive as longas its not integrated in the packae <Seveaz> This is not the #ubuntu support channel. Due to a spambot attack, only registered users can access that channel. To register: /msg nickserv help register (or read http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup ) To prevent bots from spamming you: /umode +CE Please LEAVE this channel asap. <ogra:#edubuntu> ... thats why i didnt hint to it on the mailing list (there was just a discussion going on) <JaneW:#edubuntu> yes I saw that... <ogra:#edubuntu> but i'll mail flint and jelkner about it.... the were so sad about our current login screen (which is understandable, its ugly) <Seveaz> This is not the #ubuntu support channel. Due to a spambot attack, only registered users can access that channel. To register: /msg nickserv help register (or read http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup ) To prevent bots from spamming you: /umode +CE Please LEAVE this channel asap. <JaneW:#edubuntu> heh, ok <ogra:#edubuntu> my new version mimics gdm as we all know it... <JaneW:#edubuntu> how's it going atm <ogra:#edubuntu> and is nearly as themable as gdm <JaneW:#edubuntu> it seems progress has been made...? <JaneW:#edubuntu> cool :) <ogra:#edubuntu> the Cd is falling apart, i urgently need Kamion, i dont know why random packages dissapear from the builds... <Seveaz> This is not the #ubuntu support channel. Due to a spambot attack, only registered users can access that channel. To register: /msg nickserv help register (or read http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup ) To prevent bots from spamming you: /umode +CE Please LEAVE this channel asap. <ogra:#edubuntu> but he'll be back in two days... then everything gets sorted... <ogra:#edubuntu> additionally i'm wrking to get the artwork package in shape... <ogra:#edubuntu> and try to catch up o my normal distro stuff (xscreensaver etc) <Seveaz> This is not the #ubuntu support channel. Due to a spambot attack, only registered users can access that channel. To register: /msg nickserv help register (or read http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup ) To prevent bots from spamming you: /umode +CE Please LEAVE this channel asap. <ogra:#edubuntu> my cat lost her babies tonight... i didnt get much sleep... <Seveaz> This is not the #ubuntu support channel. Due to a spambot attack, only registered users can access that channel. To register: /msg nickserv help register (or read http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup ) To prevent bots from spamming you: /umode +CE Please LEAVE this channel asap. <the_dude> exit <the_dude> aaargh! <Seveaz> This is not the #ubuntu support channel. Due to a spambot attack, only registered users can access that channel. To register: /msg nickserv help register (or read http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup ) To prevent bots from spamming you: /umode +CE Please LEAVE this channel asap. <Seveaz> This is not the #ubuntu support channel. Due to a spambot attack, only registered users can access that channel. To register: /msg nickserv help register (or read http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup ) To prevent bots from spamming you: /umode +CE Please LEAVE this channel asap. <Seveaz> This is not the #ubuntu support channel. Due to a spambot attack, only registered users can access that channel. To register: /msg nickserv help register (or read http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup ) To prevent bots from spamming you: /umode +CE Please LEAVE this channel asap. <rem__> REGISTER test <Seveaz> This is not the #ubuntu support channel. Due to a spambot attack, only registered users can access that channel. To register: /msg nickserv help register (or read http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup ) To prevent bots from spamming you: /umode +CE Please LEAVE this channel asap. <Seveaz> This is not the #ubuntu support channel. Due to a spambot attack, only registered users can access that channel. To register: /msg nickserv help register (or read http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup ) To prevent bots from spamming you: /umode +CE Please LEAVE this channel asap. <JaneW:#edubuntu> ogra: lost, or gave birth? <JaneW:#edubuntu> are they alive? <Seveaz> This is not the #ubuntu support channel. Due to a spambot attack, only registered users can access that channel. To register: /msg nickserv help register (or read http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup ) To prevent bots from spamming you: /umode +CE Please LEAVE this channel asap. <JaneW:#edubuntu> I am u/l another wall paper and some more community artwork stuff... <ogra:#edubuntu> JaneW, grave birth... four weeks to early... <JaneW:#edubuntu> ogra: wow... shame. :( <ogra:#edubuntu> but thats fine, she's a kitten herself, way to young to have own kittens <JaneW:#edubuntu> ogra: didn;t think that really happened to animals <JaneW:#edubuntu> they must have been tiny <ogra:#edubuntu> and she'll have new ones soon, i'm sure... my only sorrow was that themother survives.... <Seveaz> This is not the #ubuntu support channel. Due to a spambot attack, only registered users can access that channel. To register: /msg nickserv help register (or read http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup ) To prevent bots from spamming you: /umode +CE Please LEAVE this channel asap. <ogra:#edubuntu> like a little finger... <ogra:#edubuntu> but it was quite a bloody night over here... the cat is already hunting mice again... <JaneW:#edubuntu> you should get her sterilised - it's bad for them to have kitten too young <JaneW:#edubuntu> weakens their bones <ogra:#edubuntu> yup... <ogra:#edubuntu> it was to late... we bought her as a male ;) * JaneW helped her cat give birth - I was 13. Prepared me well ;) <JaneW:#edubuntu> LOL <JaneW:#edubuntu> sorry that sounded funny <Seveaz> This is not the #ubuntu support channel. Due to a spambot attack, only registered users can access that channel. To register: /msg nickserv help register (or read http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup ) To prevent bots from spamming you: /umode +CE Please LEAVE this channel asap. <JaneW:#edubuntu> so is she ok do you think? <ogra:#edubuntu> and found out about her real gender when she was moaning in our garden below the oter cat... <ogra:#edubuntu> yup, i thin so <JaneW:#edubuntu> bwahaha <JaneW:#edubuntu> reminds me of a joke <JaneW:#edubuntu> 'mommy mommy there's a flat cat outside...' <Seveaz> This is not the #ubuntu support channel. Due to a spambot attack, only registered users can access that channel. To register: /msg nickserv help register (or read http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup ) To prevent bots from spamming you: /umode +CE Please LEAVE this channel asap. <JaneW:#edubuntu> 'how do you know it's flat?' <JaneW:#edubuntu> '...well there's another cat trying to pump it up again...' <ogra:#edubuntu> hehe <Seveaz> This is not the #ubuntu support channel. Due to a spambot attack, only registered users can access that channel. To register: /msg nickserv help register (or read http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup ) To prevent bots from spamming you: /umode +CE Please LEAVE this channel asap. * Signon time : Sun Aug 21 07:58:48 2005 * Signoff time : Mon Aug 29 14:11:49 2005 * Total uptime : 8d 6h 13m 1s * IRCD=dancer CAPAB CHANTYPES=# EXCEPTS INVEX CHANMODES=bdeIq,k,lfJD,cgijLmnPQrRstz CHANLIMIT=#:20 PREFIX=(ov)@+ MAXLIST=bdeI:50 MODES=4 STATUSMSG=@ KNOCK NICKLEN=16 :are supported by this server * SAFELIST CASEMAPPING=ascii CHANNELLEN=30 TOPICLEN=450 KICKLEN=450 KEYLEN=23 USERLEN=10 HOSTLEN=63 SILENCE=50 are supported by this server * #ubuntu #ubuntu-unregged Forwarding to another channel -NickServ(johncrosby@example.net.)- This nickname is owned by someone else -NickServ(johncrosby@example.net.)- If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password> -NickServ(johncrosby@example.net.)- Password accepted - you are now recognized * mode/ubuntulog [+e] by services. -MemoServ(johncrosby@example.net.)- You have no new memos * Signon time : Mon Aug 29 14:11:54 2005 * Signoff time : Mon Aug 29 14:13:12 2005 * Total uptime : 0d 0h 1m 18s * ..[topic/#edubuntu:irc.freenode.net] : Welcome to the discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://www.edubuntu.org | Unstable CD image: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current - first official release due in October 2005. NEXT MEETING: Sept 2 12:00 UTC on #ubuntu-meeting. | CALL FOR TESTERS: to test our CD see: http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting <Petaris> ogra: My client won't boot since I did that upgrade <sivang> it's nice here. KInda reminds me of the prerelease times of Ubuntu :) <sivang> no too many people, low traffic <JaneW> sivang: hehe <JaneW> it's worse than usual right now... <sivang> JaneW: you mean it's actually more stressed now? <JaneW> no less so <JaneW> I mean worse = less frequented <JaneW> orga and highvoltage and mdz and jsgotangco etc are usually here <sivang> JaneW: ah well, I've seen ogra some minutes ago - he will probably be back soon <sivang> JaneW: I am downloaidn gthe test image atm <JaneW> sivang: yay - THANK-YOU <JaneW> (shouting intended) <sivang> JaneW: when are we expecting to release Edubuntu? the same time like Breezy? <JaneW> yes <JaneW> most likely same day <JaneW> but at least within a week <sivang> ok, it's good to have a security time break, to allow for last minutes fixes and changes <ogra> JaneW, argh, you broke reply to ?? <JaneW> what? <JaneW> DanielC was whining about it... <JaneW> must I put it back? <ogra> JaneW, its considered bad habit to mangle the mailheaders <ogra> and you break the standards :) <JaneW> but I chose NO to the strip mail headers option <JaneW> ok I'll put it back... <ogra> you changed the default, the drefault is the right option :) <ogra> the problem with thnderbird is that it still doesnt have a reply-to-list function... (there is a bug open about that since years) <JaneW> reverted <JaneW> can't please everyone... <ogra> but the problem with header rewriting is, that you affect every user... i.e. if i explicitly want to answer off list, my answer goes directly to the list instead of the poster... imagine that with a mail like "blah blah is an idiot to ask such questions" <ogra> err.... the problem with header rewriting is, that you affect every user... i.e. if i explicitly want to answer off list, my answer goes directly to the list instead of the poster... imagine that with a mail like "blah blah is an idiot to ask such questions" <mpt> The problem with mail clients, including Thunderbird, is that they expect you to decide whether your reply would best go to the sender or to everyone *before* you've even written it <JaneW> ogra: seems to be called munging... <JaneW> mpt: that's not unreasonable... <ogra> err, yes, i always muddle munging/mangling <JaneW> mpt: or it;s just what I am used to... <mpt> JaneW: You're only used to it because almost all clients work that way <mpt> the only exception I've seen is MT-NewsWatcher <JaneW> mpt: but then that includes top posting... so perhaps I am not the best person to comment ;) <mpt> http://www.smfr.org/mtnw/docs/img/choose_personality.png <JaneW> OSS ppl are certainly pedantic ^h^h^h^h...big on principles ;) <mpt> See it has toggle buttons for "Post News" (the equivalent of "Reply to List"), "Send Email" (the equivalent of "Reply to Sender"), and "Copy Self", all in the composition window itself <JaneW> ok <mpt> that would make people much more likely to choose the right options <JaneW> yes agreed <ogra> whats "copy self" ? make a clone of the poster to send the mail for you ? :) <mpt> It's sending a copy to yourself <ogra> ah... <ogra> lost in translation ;) * JaneW is heading off now <JaneW> *wave* <mpt> The world still doesn't have a decent e-mail program :-) <mpt> tchau JaneW <JaneW> what language is that? <ogra> ciao JaneW <JaneW> bye :) <mpt> Portugese <ogra> or northern german wit a missing s (tschau) <Petaris> ogra: I can't boot my client after I upgraded it on Wednesday <ogra> where does it break ? <ogra> (or how) <Petaris> Run init: opening console: no fi9le or directory <Petaris> right after init-bottom runs <ogra> which version of mkinitramfs do you have installed ? there was a serious bug in one of the last uploads... <ogra> dpkg -l initramfs-tools * Petaris looks <ogra> i think 0.23 was broken, 0.24 has the fix <ogra> oh, and thats only relevant if you dont have a nfs-server timeout before already... make sure the nfs is working right.. <Petaris> it says no package found <ogra> on the server ? or in the chroot ? <ogra> (i'm talking about the server) <Petaris> on the server <ogra> hmm <Petaris> but your right, I'm getting an nfs error <Petaris> nfs server not found <Petaris> hrm <Petaris> its running <ogra> hmm, is the ip of the nfs server right ? <Petaris> yeah <ogra> (the ip the client gets on boot) <ogra> did you try to boot the client a second time ? <Petaris> seems so <Petaris> yeah, this is the third time round <ogra> i know of a bug where you get such timeouts, but that only occurs on the first boot, the second should be fine <Petaris> brbv <Petaris> ok, I'm back <ogra> Petaris, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12942 <Petaris> ogra: that could be the problem <Petaris> Where would I set the sleep command <ogra> there was a mail discussion about it on edubuntu-devel <Petaris> ok <Petaris> damn, now I'm getting that seg fault agian <ogra> a segfault ? <Petaris> yes <ogra> describe it a bit more... where, when etc <Petaris> that rcS.d/S02mountvirfs <Petaris> er, S02mountvirtfs <ogra> where in this script ? <Petaris> dosen't say <Petaris> er wait <Petaris> line 47 <ogra> hmm... <Petaris> This now happens after I restarted nfs-kernel-server <Petaris> er, well stoped then started <ogra> portmap is running ? * Petaris checks <Petaris> hrm <ogra> freenode crazyness... <Petaris> still get it, even after restarting portmap <ogra> the segfault ? <Petaris> yep <Petaris> ogra: Do you know if there is a skubuntu irc channel? <ogra> i doubt it... highvoltage is highly involved with skubuntu... ping him if he's around <Petaris> ok, I'll give that a try <Belutz> hai <sivang> ogra: what's skubuntu? <ogra> a ltsp based distro <mpt> A South African prototype of Ubuntu, right? <mpt> er, of Edubuntu I mean <ogra> yup <cyphase> hey everyone #edubuntu 2005-09-04 * netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> kornbluth.freenode.net <dzfgbgvbegbergb> whts edubuntu? <bdoin> http://www.edubuntu.org <dzfgbgvbegbergb> k <jsgotangco> hi all <Belutz> hai <Belutz> anyone alive ? :D <JaneW> hi ogra <jsgotangco> hey JaneW <JaneW> are your connection and cat problems sorted out? <JaneW> hi jsgotangco <jsgotangco> JaneW, how's the weekend <JaneW> jsgotangco: fantastic - the weather improved and we were able to spend time outside - walked up Lion's Head (about half way cos had kids with me), fed ducks, took a long walk around neighbourhood etc <JaneW> helps to clear the mind and recharge ;) <JaneW> jsgotangco: you? <jsgotangco> oh you just made me envy of your environment <jsgotangco> heh <jsgotangco> well we just cooked pasta at home for my birthday <JaneW> http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Africa/South_Africa/Province_of_the_Western_Cape/Cape_Town-2225504/Off_the_Beaten_Path-Cape_Town-Lions_Head-BR-1.html <JaneW> oh yes happy birthday for Sunday <JaneW> was it a good day? <jsgotangco> sure it was raining hard <jsgotangco> (august sucks over here) <JaneW> here too, it's been freezing cold, gale winds and storms <JaneW> but it seems to be passing <JaneW> or at least having a break now <JaneW> so spring is in sight <jsgotangco> how cold is cold? <JaneW> um, about 9 degs max last week. <JaneW> plus wind chill and rain <JaneW> freezes you right through <JaneW> I think it was 3 deg in the mornign <JaneW> it's only a few degs warmer now, but the sun is out and there's no wind - it makes a huge difference <jsgotangco> acckk <jsgotangco> i wonder if cold weather can cure my allergies * jsgotangco now focuses on linuxworld presentation <JaneW> jsgotangco: if they are pollen allergies it prolly can <jsgotangco> yeah its killing me <jsgotangco> ogra: welcome back <ogra> heya <ogra> the new usplash is cool.... <ogra> i could boot all day now :) <jsgotangco> yes <jsgotangco> are we getting our own usplash? :) <ogra> i'm just thinking about it.... <ogra> i'm just thinking about it.... <ogra> you cant just change the graphics... i guess it requires our own usplash package... <jsgotangco> hmm probably <jsgotangco> it was packaged after all <ogra> i have a similar prob with xscreensaver... the image can only be exchanged at compile time <jsgotangco> have you tried today's build? <jsgotangco> im doing an rsync at the moment <ogra> there is a lot in the report.... <ogra> so it might not work.... havent rsynced yet <jsgotangco> ill just test anyways nothing decent to do at the moment <ogra> its very likely that desktop-base is missing and you cant install edubuntu-desktop.... i'm waiting for Kamion to help me sort that <jsgotangco> i'll be speaking to 200 students tommorow about free software and will mention edubuntu in passing <ogra> yay <jsgotangco> (its only 1 school i am scheduled for 11) <JaneW> hello highvoltage <highvoltage> hi JaneW. long time no see. <JaneW> highvoltage: :) <JaneW> in RL you mean? <highvoltage> both :) <JaneW> highvoltage: I was there yesterday <highvoltage> my internet connection at home has been down since friday, which sux. <highvoltage> my isp was at my home this afternoon, but i couldn't be there so hopefully they could get it fixed without me. <JaneW> hmmm... our ADSL has been dropping randomly <JaneW> annoying <JaneW> not so bad for browsing and e-mail, but disruptive for IRC <ogra> yup <ogra> and uploads <JaneW> ogra: yeah that too! <mpt> JaneW: Perhaps the BreezyBounties page should be trimmed of the info about creating new bounties, since it's a bit late for that now? :-) <JaneW> mpt: yes possibly <JaneW> mpt: I'll move it to a holding page for the next realse cycle? <JaneW> mpt: are you in Brazil?! <mpt> JaneW: Sure, cut and paste it to DapperBounties :-) <mpt> JaneW: Yes, the Launchpad conference was here, and kiko had invited me to stay for a few months, so I'll be here until UBZ and then again for a while afterward <JaneW> is Dapper official now? <mpt> I'm not sure <JaneW> mpt: cool <mpt> ogra: Breezy's current screensaver unlock dialog is a vanilla xscreensaver one ... what's going on there? <ogra> mpt, the new one is ready, but i'm not allowed to upload it before added a --blank only option to xscreensaver... mdz request <ogra> mpt, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/screensaver/ <ogra> its already there... <ogra> mpt, oh, and i didnt manage to get the unlock button in... it has only the "someone else..." <ogra> (would have been nearly a rewrite to daa this additional button) <ogra> s/daa/add <mpt> wow, a rewrite to add a button that does the same as the Enter key? <ogra> yup <mpt> is xscreensaver really that bad? :-) <ogra> the code is odd... <ogra> i'm really looking forward to gnome-screensaver in breezy+1 <mpt> yeah <ogra> its able to handle all settings in gconf keys.... <ogra> way easier to manipulate.... <highvoltage> so. <highvoltage> anyone seen sdm? <ogra> highvoltage, do you have a current edubuntu ltsp running ? <ogra> if so, try this one: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/ <ogra> i hope mdz will accept it today... <highvoltage> ogra: i will tonight. i downloaded the daily build on 15 August, will install that and do dist-upgrade. <ogra> i'm not sure if the one from 15th works... <ogra> the one from 18th does <highvoltage> i've started a new download, which should be finished tomorrow morning. <ogra> phew <ogra> why dont you rsync ? <ogra> rsyncing takes me about 15min between two dailies <highvoltage> i haven't used rsync before. but i know i should. ok, i'll do an rsync. <ogra> its mostly only some megabytes... <highvoltage> topic <highvoltage> sorry <ogra> oh, i'm not sure if people.ubuntu.com provides rsync to sync my snaphot... #edubuntu 2005-09-05 <magnon> anyone around? :) <ogra> yup... <magnon> I'm working for a company that runs an ubuntu/ltsp network in some schools, but we havent gotten off of our asses to get into edubuntu <magnon> so, I'll be testing it as good as I can up to release so that we might use it already in october, I just wondered if someone could quickly tell me what work has been done the past months <ogra> we have developed a new fully encrypted version of ltsp that works with the ubuntu packages ... <ogra> the CD will install a single ltsp server by default, you only have to give a handfull of answers in the installer... <magnon> sweet, that eases some need to be careful with the data <ogra> http://www.grawert.net/edubuntu/ has some initial screenshots <ogra> yup... <ogra> its a simple ssh tunnel... <ogra> additionally it will be fully upgradeable over the releases, like ubuntu itself... <magnon> I see you got Knut trolling the mailing list already : <magnon> :D <ogra> heh <ogra> yup <magnon> had some arguments with him a few years ago on skolelinux vs. my idea, glad to see edubuntu coming, fits very well with that <magnon> do you know where I can find a package listing of the additions in edubuntu vs. main? <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/desktop <ogra> vs. http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/breezy/desktop <magnon> awesome :) <ogra> additionally: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/server <ogra> which has no comparison candidate on the ubuntu side... <magnon> no huge diffs on the server side <ogra> only the basics... <magnon> great <magnon> the closer it is to an escalation agreement, the better :) <ogra> i tried to get mediawiki in for wikipedia support out of the box, but the security team complained <ogra> so i'll add moin to have a wiki ... thats going on the CD tomorrow... <magnon> offline wikipedia? (read about that somewhere) <Burgundavia> ouch <ogra> yup, thats what i wanted.. <ogra> you could order a DVD with the data and just drop it into the server... <magnon> I guess that's a good thing for anyone with english as their first language and also a bad net connection ;) <ogra> yup <ogra> but you can also get other languages afaik <magnon> yeah, none covers a million articles though :) <magnon> especially norwegian (30k) <ogra> oh... <magnon> kids learn english fast enough anyway :) <ogra> heh, true <magnon> anyway, thanks for a quick update <magnon> more importantly, what work is getting done for release? <magnon> I'll be setting up a "test lab" (2-3 machines) tomorrow and start looking at it, test the basics etc., and hopefully get myself involved in the process itself asap :) <magnon> if I manage to make a difference before release, it'd be awesome <magnon> brb <ogra> the CD is in a bad state currently, i'd suggest to wait till the weekend... <magnon> what if I download an older working one and dist-upgrade? <ogra> the current X server autodetection doesnt work, thats a showstopper for ltsp currently... <magnon> oo. <ogra> it doesnt matter if you take a old or new CD here, since ltsp still gets built from the net... <ogra> so it always has the newst X :/ <magnon> aha <ogra> newest <magnon> well I suppose I could wait a few days :) <ogra> this will change to CD soon... <magnon> sounds good <magnon> we're settling a deal with a net provider these days, so for me, stuff of the net doesnt hurt :P <magnon> by the way, you're hired by canonical, right? <ogra> yup <magnon> do you know if you guys have any plans to expand the escalation support to packages that will be in edubuntu? <ogra> all apps we ship on the CD have to be in the supported set, its a requirement :) <magnon> oh, good <magnon> we wanted to put all our machines under an escalation agreement with you guys (we're small and fragile :), and I wouldnt want edubuntu to hurt that <ogra> the CD would have been done in a week ro two if this wasnt the case ;) <magnon> hehe <magnon> what do you do about the rest? make an eduniverse or something? <ogra> most of my work with edubuntu development was bureaucracy :) <ogra> edubuntu is 100% ubuntu, so you can use universe as in ubuntu <magnon> (what I mean is, it can of course be in the normal universe, but not all people know that the program they are looking for is just an apt-get install longandtediouspackagename away) <magnon> what I am REALLY trying to say, is, have you thought of a metapackage with edu-friendly non-main extras :P <magnon> 2am >_< <ogra> edubuntu has the same settings in synptic unbuntu has... its two mouseclicks to enable universe ;) <ogra> here too ;) <Burgundavia> and g-a-i even tells you what you need to add and how to do it <magnon> the package name is still long and tedious :P <ogra> did you try gnome-app-install ? its the next generation package manager in ubuntu <magnon> trust me, some of our customers wouldnt be able to find a program in synaptic even if I held their hand <ogra> it reflects the menu... you just have to set/remove checkmarks next to the apps ... <magnon> ah <magnon> oh! right! <magnon> one thing <ogra> its very easy... but a bit restricted to gui apps indeec <magnon> yeah, that doesnt matter <magnon> what isnt a gui app is uninteresting to them <ogra> heh <magnon> anyway, is there any work done on separating user types etc.? <magnon> students and teachers might need different permissions and programs, students of different age too - just wondered if someone thought up a sexy solution to that <ogra> i played with sabayon, but it doesnt look ready for this release... we have different user groups though (admin, desktop, defaul) <magnon> the user template stuff (which was originally intended for breezy I believe) looked promising, but I havent looked more into it <ogra> it is in, but the menu entrys for the apps need to be tagged for it... i'm not sure if this will happen, its extremely time intensive <magnon> as long as the possibility to tag them is there, I'm happy <ogra> but if it gets in (not my area) non admin users wont see any non admin stuff by default <ogra> bu i'm aiming for sabayon, really... <magnon> ok <ogra> you can make user profiles in a xnest window via drag and drop <ogra> its extremely easy to use :) <magnon> yeah <magnon> I tried it out when seth made his first post about it <magnon> somewhat buggy but :) <magnon> I dont think I will see teachers doing that stuff though <ogra> sadly the xnest stuff doesnt work with our ltsp, i havent found the reason yet, but i think it starts it as :1 locally... that doesnt work through the tunnel <magnon> if they could do it all, I'd be unemployed :) <ogra> nope, but school admins <magnon> currently, with our customers (theyre not very large schools though) <magnon> we get there a day a week, or half a day, depending on how much they need us, and we have a local geek-teacher who we train a bit <magnon> thus, they can work it out on a daily basis so I dont have to be on the phone with people not managing to open a .doc, the school doesnt have to pay anyone full time to be an it admin, just a few hours more (4-6 hours a week is good) to that teacher <magnon> and, they have us on a weekly basis + a support agreement <magnon> which is again, on the software side, soon to be backed up by you *points* ;) <ogra> :) <magnon> unfortunately we might have to up our prices to the end user a bit after new years, we've been a bit too nice on the schools <magnon> but they mostly agree that if they pay a bit more and we can provide stronger equipment and support, they'll be better off when an unexpected situation comes <ogra> you will still be cheaper than a MS consultancy company :) <magnon> true, hehe <magnon> its very rewarding to see linux usage rise and be usable in schools, but I need scrambled eggs for breakfast to keep my head up <magnon> and a bike <magnon> do you have any edubuntu-esque things I can start looking at by the way? <magnon> I'll be able to use some 10-15 hours a week (more, but not as "work" ;) on testing and developing edubuntu, so if there's any work needed to be done, yell <magnon> if you don't know atm, I'll stay in the channel later so you can yell at any time :P <ogra> great... <ogra> i'm about to fall asleep over my keyboard... i'll come back to you, be sure ;) <magnon> ha <magnon> go meditate ;) <magnon> 15 minutes of clearing the head feels like several hours of sleep to me <cyphase> hey everyone * mode/#edubuntu [-s] by ChanServ * ..[topic/#edubuntu:irc.freenode.net] : Welcome to the discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://www.edubuntu.org | Unstable CD image: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current - first official release due in October 2005. NEXT MEETING: Sept 2 12:00 UTC on #ubuntu-meeting. | CALL FOR TESTERS: to test our CD see: http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting <JaneW> ogra: ping <ogra> JaneW, pong <jsgotangco> hmm <jsgotangco> JaneW: i spoked to 140 students!!!! * jsgotangco will never underestimate the power of GAIM <JaneW> does anyone know where I can get some standard (and official sounding) text for our artwork section for people to acknowledge that they are giving us their work to include in the edubuntu release? <JaneW> cool well done jsgotangco <jsgotangco> i didnt even break a sweat <jsgotangco> hah <JaneW> good for you <JaneW> (is it cold today?) ;) <jsgotangco> well <jsgotangco> i think i did good <jsgotangco> they gave me a bottle of wine <jsgotangco> (dunno why) <jsgotangco> but since it was a very newbie audience, i didnt really go into details of Ubuntu <jsgotangco> i basically talked about free software and demo'ed the OpenCD <jsgotangco> all-in-one IMs seem to be incredibly popular among teens <JaneW> jsgotangco: well if you want us to give you a bottle of wine you have to PUNT ubuntu ;) <jsgotangco> well the OpenCD is a canonical sponsored product ATM <JaneW> ogra: does what Mithrandir is saying in #c makes sense to you? <magnon> jsgotangco: girls <3 gaim <magnon> that's just how it works <magnon> every place I've worked on where I demoed anything, I always included gaim, and girls love it <magnon> had to break down and say there was a windows version unfortunately <ogra> JaneW, nope <ogra> JaneW, but he hasnt undestood yet... <JaneW> ogra: I thought not - but didn;t want to discount the possibility that maybe it was just me not understanding... <ogra> he thinks about themes <jsgotangco> #c? <jsgotangco> ah canonical <JaneW> highvoltage: ping <highvoltage> JaneW: pong <highvoltage> JaneW: ping <highvoltage> sorry, screen giving me problems :) <JaneW> hello highvoltage <JaneW> as creative director... I need help with licensing for our user contributed artwork <JaneW> hiw much do you know about licensing? <JaneW> I have found: http://artlibre.org/licence.php/lalgb.html , which looks like it may be something we can use ...? <ogra> JaneW, lets use a widely known license like the GFDL or GPL rather <JaneW> highvoltage: we need to get some standard (and official sounding) text for us to use in our edubuntu artwork section, to allow people to acknowledge that they are giving us their work to include in the edubuntu release? <highvoltage> JaneW: I think either Gnu free doc license, or creative commons sharealike by attribution <JaneW> highvoltage: I want to oublish this on the wiki and ask them to cut and paste it into the mail they send their work to me in, as explicit agreement <highvoltage> JaneW: i agree with ogra, gfdl is good (first choice in my opinion), and the cc-sa-by is close second. <JaneW> highvoltage: I just don;t know enough about this... <highvoltage> ogra: how do you feel about the cc license? <highvoltage> ogra: it's basically the same <highvoltage> JaneW: just a minute... <ogra> its ok too, but the docteam had objections for some flavors <JaneW> ok Copyright (c) YEAR YOUR NAME. <JaneW> Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document <JaneW> under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 <JaneW> or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; <JaneW> with no Invariant Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover <JaneW> Texts. A copy of the license is included in the section entitled "GNU <ogra> so i'd go with the gfdl... its safe <JaneW> Free Documentation License". <ogra> yup <JaneW> cool, ok, and what about 'and I declare this is my own work' or some such? <highvoltage> JaneW: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/ <highvoltage> that's the cc license, it's in human readable and in legalese. <JaneW> so which shall we use? * ogra votes for gfdl * highvoltage votes for gfdl too <ogra> :) <highvoltage> mixing non-gfdl with gfdl is often difficult, which is why gfdl gets first choice. <highvoltage> JaneW: read both licenses, it's generally a good idea :) <JaneW> any more votes? <JaneW> (please don;t let this be like the blue fish voting!!) <ogra> JaneW, your boilerplate needs a hint where you can get the license <ogra> A copy of the license is included in the section entitled "GNU <ogra> Free Documentation License" isnt enough * highvoltage sticks to gfdl <JaneW> ok gdfl it is... I don't have time to study through them now (but I must sometime soon) <JaneW> ogra: I'll make a link to it... <ogra> yup <highvoltage> JaneW: when you get to know me better, you'll realise that i tend to go for the GNU stuff. When in doubt, choose GNU! <JaneW> ok <highvoltage> JaneW: it's perhaps better to put the license on the wiki <highvoltage> JaneW: like on socks: http://socks.tsf.org.za <highvoltage> JaneW: and then people who upload things, acknowledge that they do so according to the license, and that they're not uploading documents that have an incompatible license. <ogra> i'm very astonished there is no license already... thats not common <highvoltage> i wouldn't mind putting it on there tonight. <highvoltage> my internet at home is working again. <highvoltage> also gnu fdl, i assume? <magnon> morning ogra <magnon> *stretch* <ogra> hi <jsgotangco> oh my god this is ugly <jsgotangco> JaneW: that guide is 156 pages oh my <JaneW> jsgotangco: yup! <JaneW> highvoltage/ogra: please see http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuArtwork <jsgotangco> JaneW: kill me instead * JaneW takes out whip... <jsgotangco> JaneW: silbs is creeping over the docteam lately...so things have been hectic on my side not to mention my speaking engagements... <JaneW> highvoltage: I am just concerned that GFDL seems to be specifically for TEXT <jsgotangco> and the docteam at the moment is like 3 people... <highvoltage> JaneW: i'm not sure how nice that will work though. <jsgotangco> its getting much worse than actually having a job... <ogra> JaneW, lest make sure elmo is fine with the licensing paragraph... <highvoltage> ogra: does it qualify as a legal agreement if it's not digitally signed? <ogra> i hope so... :) <JaneW> ogra: agreed, but I am not being funny when I say that elmo completely ignores me... <ogra> else we'll never have any artwork... i doubt many users have gpg sigs <highvoltage> JaneW: i got some response out of him last week :P <JaneW> ogra: never responds to e-mails or irc pings or anything <ogra> hmm <jsgotangco> you can try fighting him * jsgotangco hide <highvoltage> JaneW: the time of day seems to be important. 11PM on a tuesday evening is good, it seems :) <JaneW> jsgotangco: I fear his wrath <jsgotangco> hmm <highvoltage> hehe, from ubuntu-motu: <highvoltage> 14:50 < ivoks> i hope elmo isn't ignoring me <highvoltage> 14:50 < ivoks> i just never get any feedback from him :/ <jsgotangco> JaneW: i fear the cookbook will have to wait i have too much in my hands at the moment <JaneW> lol <jsgotangco> JaneW: Im about to start clean up on the documents later for preview release * JaneW feels less tragetted now <JaneW> tragetted even <JaneW> TARGETTED <JaneW> whatever :P <jsgotangco> oh we asked elmo before on a domain name redirect and it probably took a month <highvoltage> then i better ask him today for the edubuntu site / wiki redirect stuff. <JaneW> lol <JaneW> highvoltage: and access to immutable pages on the wiki... <jsgotangco> hmm <jsgotangco> good luck <jsgotangco> even henrick has no admin access on the ubuntu wiki <highvoltage> ogra: what do you think about that gnome folder icon JaneW sent? i think it's an improvement. <ogra> jup... <JaneW> highvoltage: what's that bottom banner called on the socks page, with the license info in it? <JaneW> and <JaneW> ogra: wtf is a boilerplate? <highvoltage> JaneW: the creative commons give that to you. the boilerplate is that page that explains the license in human readable form, i think. <ogra> a template <highvoltage> ogra: replacing that icon in the gartoon gnome icon package, can I do it? <JaneW> ok, I am a liitle confussed, I don;t see that GFDL gives you any image licensing <highvoltage> it covers the images too. <JaneW>
{'channel': 'edubuntu', 'month': 9}