#ubuntu-classroom 2006-11-27 * Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-classroom.log -ChanServ(williamsmith@example.net.)- [#ubuntu-server] Ubuntu Server Discussions (development and support) -ChanServ(williamsmith@example.net.)- [#ubuntu] Welcome to #ubuntu! Please read the channel topic and consider spending some time on the FAQ mentioned there (gnomefreak/#ubuntu-classroom) ty Hobbsee and fabbione (daschl/#ubuntu-classroom) thanks.. i also have to be at school the whole week ;) (Hobbsee/#ubuntu-classroom) thanks fabbione (fabbione/#ubuntu-classroom) no problem (Hobbsee/#ubuntu-classroom) daschl: they'll also be at the link in !logs (daschl/#ubuntu-classroom) !logs (ubotu/#ubuntu-classroom) Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs (daschl/#ubuntu-classroom) ah ok :) thanks (fabbione/#ubuntu-classroom) logs should be on the web starting within the next 60 minutes (Hobbsee/#ubuntu-classroom) :) (fabbione/#ubuntu-classroom) there is nothing right now <gnomefreak> how do you remove a hackergotchi from bzr? i know to add its "bzr add heads/pic.png <DerXero> mahltied <stgraber> hi <jackflap> hello <stgraber> hi <jackflap> am i interrupting anything? <Hobbsee> no <Hobbsee> not yet <Lesley> Hello! * Hobbsee waves to all <stgraber> It starts at 15:00 UTC <Lesley> I am new at this! getting ready for class! <Hobbsee> got your school books out Lesley? :P <Lesley> yip! coffee and snacks <Lesley> I have no idea what it means to have a cloak, a mask,....all sounds very scary! <stgraber> I'm interested in the "Packaging 101" and " <stgraber> Maintaining an Ubuntu Package" <stgraber> hmm, bad copy/paste <stgraber> that's for today, I'll be mostly at school for the others day :( <stgraber> and I'll miss the Edubuntu one :( <tonyyarusso> Lesley: It means that instead of showing up like "tonyyserver [williamsmith@example.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom" you would show up as something like "tonyyserver [n=tonyyserver@ubuntu/member/tonyyserver] has joined #ubuntu-classroom" <Hobbsee> Lesley: we have ghosts that wander around mid-class, distracting people, and the like :P <tonyyarusso> Hmm...can I reload /etc/screenrc without killing a screened app? <Lesley> ok - well can you guys protect me from anything strange and i am sure I will learn alot when class begins! <Lesley> Why is some text red, others blue etc? <samkon> :) have you ever been in IRC before? <Hobbsee> Lesley: the red lot usually means that your nickname is somewhere in it? <samkon> some of them are messeges to you from server <Hobbsee> (which arent shown in the main window of xchat, iirc) <samkon> because of that they have different colors <Grishkin> How long now to wait before 3-00? <samkon> 6 minutes here, there ? <Grishkin> wow <Lesley> Ok! yip - i am a virgin - veerry green! but will do some homework! <Hobbsee> Lesley: you're doing fine :) <Lesley> cool bud! <LinuxBA> CypherBIOS: heya!!! <CypherBIOS> LinuxBA: good to see you! <CypherBIOS> LinuxBA: do you know what time will be here at "15:00 UTC" ? <LinuxBA> 12:00 <Hobbsee> 2 more hours <Hobbsee> @now <LinuxBA> at Salvador <Hobbsee> Seveas: no ubugtu? <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee, LinuxBA: tanks <CypherBIOS> thanks <Grishkin> <samkon> 6 minutes here, there ? <Grishkin> i think that's wrong :) <samkon> Grishkin: no it was true <samkon> it is 15:03 here now <Grishkin> it is not UTC i mean <stgraber> we talk about 15:00 UTC :) <Hobbsee> everything is in UTC here <Grishkin> so it it about 15-00 UTC now? <fabbione> it's 2 hours to 15:00 UTC <fabbione> date -u <fabbione> Mon Nov 27 13:05:05 UTC 2006 <Grishkin> yes <Hobbsee> do we have any ops in here? <Lesley> Hobbsee are you in London? <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: si <Hobbsee> Lesley: nope, australia <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: please add http://tinyurl.com/ykqc67 to the topic <samkon> is there two hours to it begins ? <jono> fabbione, is there a bot in here? <Hobbsee> samkon: yes <jono> to log the sessions? <Lesley> Im in South Africa - its 15.10 here <Hobbsee> jono: yes, ubuntulog <jono> woo! <samkon> :( <elkbuntu> jono, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-classroom-current.html * mode/#ubuntu-classroom [+o tonyyarusso] by ChanServ <jono> nice :) <samkon> I did not sleep yesterday becaouse of my exam today <Hobbsee> Lesley: everything is in UTC time, so we dont all go insane. see that tinyurl link i just gave for when it is in your timezone <fabbione> jono: yes. <samkon> and I may be sleeping fromt of the computer <jono> would be nice to have some ops around this week to look after things <samkon> in 2 hours * mode/#ubuntu-classroom [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ <samkon> :( <Hobbsee> hey cool, i have ops! * ..[topic/#ubuntu-classroom:tonyyarusso] : Welcome to the Ubuntu Classroom | For more information: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom | Ubuntu Open Week, Nov 27 - Dec 2 between 3pm and 9pm UTC | To check what 3pm UTC is for you locally, <tonyyarusso> Dangit... * ..[topic/#ubuntu-classroom:Hobbsee] : Welcome to the Ubuntu Classroom | Home of the NUN's Classroom Sessions | For more information: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom | Ubuntu Open Week, Nov 27 - Dec 2 between 3pm and 9pm UTC | For the schedule, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek | Open Week starts at 1500UTC - to see this in your timezone, visit http://tinyurl.com/ykqc67 <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: I need to get me a topic sed script... * ..[topic/#ubuntu-classroom:Hobbsee] : Welcome to the Ubuntu Classroom | For more information: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom | Ubuntu Open Week, Nov 27 - Dec 2 between 3pm and 9pm UTC | For the schedule, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek | Open Week starts at 1500UTC - to see this in your timezone, visit http://tinyurl.com/ykqc67 <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: so do i * mode/#ubuntu-classroom [-o tonyyserver] by tonyyarusso <Hobbsee> i think that'll make it a bit clearer - and that time and date can be updated to whatever date/time you want to use. and there's a "give me the time in all timezones now" button too * mode/#ubuntu-classroom [-o Hobbsee] by ChanServ <Hobbsee> jono: hopefully you wont need ops <jono> Hobbsee, :) <Hobbsee> jono: but i wont be here for the majority of it <jono> nice to see a pretty full room here <Hobbsee> jono: bah. you'll be fine. <Hobbsee> jono: /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-classroom list <jono> heh <hastesaver> jono, 128 is nowhere near full by #ubuntu standards :-) <jono> hastesaver, sure <Hobbsee> jono: the third entry, in particular <Hobbsee> [00:10] [Notice] -ChanServ- 3 10 *!*@ubuntu/member/* 0s <jono> /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-classroom list <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Ah, wise. I don't think that was there before. <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: me neither <jono> :) * mode/#ubuntu-classroom [-o tonyyserver] by tonyyarusso <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: ompaul must have done it <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: ^ if you didnt know <hastesaver> what does it mean? Does it means that all ubuntu members are ops? <tonyyarusso> hastesaver: For this channel, for open week * mode/#ubuntu-classroom [-o tonyyserver] by tonyyarusso <tonyyarusso> My tab-complete skills are terrible. * mode/#ubuntu-classroom [-o tonyyarusso] by tonyyarusso <tonyyarusso> There we go <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Just got the script - pretty cool, btw. <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee, jono: Wait - he probably won't be able to use that access entry, since his host mask isn't enabled. <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee, jono: But any op can op someone else for a particular session, right? So as long as somebody is around to give it to him at some point before it starts he'll be fine. <jono> I am sure we will be fine <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: yes <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: and seeing as an op is any ubuntu member... <Hobbsee> then again, it probably doesnt cause any harm for jono to be op'd all the time <tonyyarusso> Odds are there might be just a few? ;) * mode/#ubuntu-classroom [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-classroom [+o jono] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-classroom [-o Hobbsee] by ChanServ <jono> thanks <Hobbsee> :) <freeflying_> hi Hobbsee :) <Hobbsee> hey freeflying_! <samk0n> /nickserv identify elsa8650 <Hobbsee> er... <Hobbsee> you might want to change that password <Hobbsee> and you wanted /msg nickserv identify elsa8650 <samk0n> bcause of differenr script <samk0n> :S <finalbeta> You should test in server window anyway, not in a channel ;) <atoponce> samkon: you can set your nickserv password as your server password when you connect to freenode <atoponce> then you never have to '/msg nickserv identify <pass>' and risk showing it in a channel <atoponce> if using irssi, it's really easy: /server add -network freenode irc.freenode.net 6667 <pass> <tonyyarusso> In addition to fabbion?'s logs, I also have logging going now, at http://www.tonyyarusso.is-a-geek.com/irclogs/openweek/ <tonyyarusso> samkon: Having trouble there? <samkon> because of my connection <samkon> It goes sometime :S <samkon> my silly cables <samkon> :( <samkon> sorry for it <makke> samkon: i dont think its your connection <makke> samkon: (Nick collision from services.) <Hobbsee> makke: it is, then he's getting his nick back <makke> samkon: you have posted your nickserv passwd somewhere? <makke> Hobbsee: someone is ghosting him <hastesaver> makke, if you mean the person who typed his password in plaintext a little while ago, that was samk0n, someone else. <Hobbsee> they changed nicks <Hobbsee> yeah, ghosting on that nick isnt working, it's just a bad connection, it seems <makke> hmm, bad connection would be a ping timeout or something <rmunn> Quick question: is anyone going to be putting up transcripts for those who miss a session? <Hobbsee> rmunn: yes <Hobbsee> rmunn: they're already going up at !logs <rmunn> Because I'll be traveling tomorrow and I'm going to miss jono's "Becoming an Ubuntu Member" session. <rmunn> Ah, good. <atoponce> rmunn: yeah. there's ubuntulog and http://www.tonyyarusso.is-a-geek.com/irclogs/openweek/ that i know of so far [atoponce(n=aaron@oalug/member/atoponce)] help <rmunn> Sorry for my ignorance: what's !logs ? <rhk_> Will someone link it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek <rmunn> Good idea, a link on the wiki would be nice <tonyyarusso> !logs | rmunn <ubotu> rmunn: Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs <rmunn> tonyyarusso: thanks <Hobbsee> rmunn: in here, anything prefaced with a ! means a command to the resident bot, ubotu * mode/#ubuntu-classroom [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ * ..[topic/#ubuntu-classroom:Hobbsee] : Welcome to the Ubuntu Classroom | For more information: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom | Ubuntu Open Week, Nov 27 - Dec 2 between 3pm and 9pm UTC | For the schedule, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek | Open Week starts at 1500UTC - to see this in your timezone, visit http://tinyurl.com/ykqc67 | Logs at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs * mode/#ubuntu-classroom [-o Hobbsee] by ChanServ <rmunn> I see. How do I ask ubotu what commands it recognizes? <Hobbsee> er....i dont remember? <Hobbsee> !bot <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots <Hobbsee> there :) <rmunn> Thanks. I'll go back to lurking now for a while. :-) <hastesaver> I'll probably miss almost all the sessions, as 15:00 UTC is 20:30 here and if I'm not out of here by 22:00 (= 16:30 UTC), I get locked in for the night :-) <Hobbsee> hastesaver: there are logs. i'm missing most of them too <tomasz> same here -- I think it's 2300 localtime when this starts, a little late for me ;) <Hobbsee> tomasz: try 2am start :P <srikanthssn> same here.. hastesaver, where in india ?? <atoponce> 8am start here <tomasz> 2am yeow <Hobbsee> which is why i'm not staying up. <tomasz> i got work in the morning i just can't do that.. =) <tomasz> understood hehe <srikanthssn> to top it all i have 2 exams up this week <Hobbsee> jono: are you going to do the "ask mark" sessions as moderated? <Hobbsee> ick <Hobbsee> exams are evil <tomasz> but they feel so good once you finish 'em =) <davmor2> no school is evil <hastesaver> srikanthssn, AFAIK, only India has UTC+0530 :-) <srikanthssn> hmm ya.. just finished one :) * lotusleaf finds a desk and paints name on it <lotusleaf> mine! <srikanthssn> hastesaver, thats why asked where you are in india ? <samk0n> I changed my samkon pass but the pass is wrong now <hastesaver> srikanthssn, and that was my way of answering "yes, but you didn't even need to ask" :-) <jono> one sec, one the phone Hobbsee <Hobbsee> jono: no problems <srikanthssn> hastesaver, free..no probs <Daylighter> ooh <fafek2> Ubuntu Open Week starts in next hour, right? <gnomefreak> fafek2: yes <fafek2> Great. I can't wait! <ubulinu> we all can't wait I guess.... the nail-biting ubuntu crowd <jono> hey <nmsa> hello * lotusleaf grins and sways in an ubuntu logo hoola hoop <jono> Hobbsee, I would like the Ask Mark session to be moderated I think <jono> I am still weighing up my options here <HamishTPB> given the weekend's postings I should think so, Jono ;-) <Hobbsee> jono: use a +z moderation, i guess. that'll let ops all read the questions. but i havent used moderated mode before, where i've been moderating. <hastesaver> jono, maybe you can wait to see from the earlier sessions whether there are any indications it will be necessary ;-) <Hobbsee> jono: ask Seveas about that, i think. <Hobbsee> hastesaver: i would expect it would be. we've had trouble with soem of the classroom sessions before <jono> hastesaver, indeed <hastesaver> There are always hecklers in any crowd, I guess... <lotusleaf> I would hope the sabdfl chat is moderated :) <pichi__> moin <lotusleaf> good morning <pichi__> open day today <rhk_> inded <Hobbsee> jono: having said that, +m is usually bad for keeping a crowd interested - it's like web streaming - what's the point? everything's going on without you anyway <tonyyarusso> jono: As a heads up, the last regular classroom session had an issue with a repeat join/part spammer using tor, so you might end up having to do an all-tor ban if any idiots try something like that, unfortunately. <lotusleaf> Hobbsee perhaps, but it controls chaos <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: indeed <lotusleaf> Besides, I would think sabdfl is interesting enough to hold interest ;) <stgraber> the other way is to put the channel into moderated mode (+m), speak and only voice (+v) the people that have question (with removing the +m sometimes to know who has some questions) <buttari> help <jono> Hobbsee, good point <jono> tonyyarusso, right <jono> tonyyarusso, would be good to have some IRC experts around to protect against this <gnomefreak> we normally use +m when we hold classes here <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yes. what's the point? you may as well read the irc log? <Hobbsee> jono: indeed. elkbuntu's learnign it all :) <jono> what is +m again? <stgraber> only OP and Voice can speak <fafek2> Do you expect many people? <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: so we can fit the class in under 6 hours ') <gnomefreak> jono: it mutes everyone except ops and voice <jono> right <hastesaver> And what's +z? <jono> makes sense for the main tuition part <jono> and then remove +m for the Q+A <gnomefreak> hastesaver: thats so only ops can read what users say <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: hehe, true <lotusleaf> rather than removing +m and open potential chaotic floodgates, you could have a seperate channel for questions or ask that one person be a go-between in PM for questions <jayteeuk> Afternoon all. <Hobbsee> jono: +m == moderated <chrisle> hi is someone from the desktopteam here? <lotusleaf> example: /msg soandso your questions for consideration <Hobbsee> chrisle: soon <lotusleaf> or a particular channel <farmer> fabbione thanks for the logs mate... <fafek2> Do you expect many people? <jono> Ng, go away <gnomefreak> http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml are the modes * jono sniggers <tonyyarusso> fafek2: Well, we already have 161 with an hour to go <Ng> jono: :( * jono slaps Ng <fafek2> Yeah. I think how many of them will take part in discussion and how many of them will be just watching... <Ng> jono: you think you're better than me? ;) <jono> Ng, hehe <Ng> just think of those pennies, my friend :) <jono> Ng, my asspennies! <Ng> mwaha <jono> I wonder if we can break 200 by the time the session begins <rhk_> would guess so.. Only 40 to go.. <ubulinu> I bet 300, we are here because we couldn't figure how UTC works <gnomefreak> if you read the topic ther eis a time translater for users that are not sure what time UTC is for them <ubulinu> I know, thanks, was just a joke... ;-) <jayteeuk> ubulinu: Speak for yourself. I'm only here early because I'd have forgotten to turn up otherwise. :D <HamishTPB> jono lotusleaf Hobbsee etc: if you use +m then no-one who is not opped or voiced will have their messages seen - if you want someone to see the messages but not show them in the channel you need to use +z <jackflap> should i register my nickname in order to follow this chat or can i just leave it? <fafek2> Funny... I didn't know what's the UTC thing means too... <Hobbsee> jackflap: you dont need to, to follow, but you will, if you want to private message people <gnomefreak> jackflap: you can just leave it we shouldnt have the need to +r the channel <Hobbsee> fafek2: universal time zone or something <fafek2> :P <fafek2> There is only a second between GMT and UTC. <lotusleaf> HamishTPB: correct, which is why I suggested either a second channel for questions to be submitted, or a go-between person to PM to take question submissions, accepted questions will quote the indivudual who had the question <HamishTPB> fafek2: UTC=GMT <jackflap> cheers, ill just leave it then <fafek2> Yeah, I know. <lotusleaf> HamishTPB: if you go with voicing someone what is to stop them from going crazy for a short time? <HamishTPB> lotusleaf: if you use +z then one person can field questions and then voice them when it is their turn to ask or whatever? <lotusleaf> HamishTPB: whatever works =) <lotusleaf> HamishTPB: carne asada burritos are delicious any time of the day <HamishTPB> lotusleaf: nothing to stop them but you could even just forward the Qs being the "moderator" using +z <gnomefreak> +z will annoy the instructer if hes +o <HamishTPB> hmmn <HamishTPB> yeah <HamishTPB> trying to remember what they do for tutorials on other netw**k <HamishTPB> hello to all btw :) Been using Kubuntu now for about 6 months and feel like I know some of you already from reading blogs etc :) <hastesaver> gnomefreak, then let the instructor not have +o. Let others take care of the problems. After all, the instructor needs to concentrate :-) <Daylighter> we need to develop sort of a screenshot vidcasting software.... so you can do these sessions with a live screen in front of them <Daylighter> when you start ubuntu up for the first time, have it fetch the latest schedule of sessions and hint to you to try them <proppy> Daylighter: gobby ? <davmor2> Daylight isn't that part of what telephany enables you to do? <pmjdebruijn> Istanbul -> GStreamer -> Flumotion? <Daylighter> o_o <Daylighter> I dont know <dholbach> davmor2: Farsight? * davmor2 close but no cigar <gnomefreak> this is gonna be rough. <gnomefreak> dholbach: you only have an hour :( <dholbach> gnomefreak: hm? <gnomefreak> for the packaging 101 <dholbach> for the Packaging 101 <davmor2> dholbach doesn't it use the telepathy as backend or am I mistaken <dholbach> davmor2: I'm not quite sure what you mean... what uses Telepathy? <davmor2> farsight <dholbach> gnomefreak: it's only an introductory session <gnomefreak> ah <davmor2> dholbach ignore me it's gossip I'm thinking of <dholbach> davmor2: telepathy uses farsight, which is a framework for audio/video conferencing <davmor2> thought it had something to do with it somewhere but then couldn't find reference to it afterwards :( <davmor2> knew I'd seen the two linked <proppy> dholbach: does packaging 101 cover making a package without cdbs or dh_* ? <dholbach> proppy: I'll do little bits of this and little bits of that <proppy> dholbach: ok thanks <ezenu3> #join #ubuntu <tonyyarusso> ezenu3: It's /join <effie_jayx> it happens to me all the time <ezenu3> yep, typo <effie_jayx> :D <effie_jayx> tonyyarusso, what up dude? <Lesley> tonyyarusso: you make me laugh! <tonyyarusso> effie_jayx: Oatmeal! And skipping my first class, since I'd have to leave in 4 minutes and totally don't feel motivated. <Hobbsee> haha <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: sounds good to me :) <Lesley> Hobbsee: still awake! <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: where's the wiki link for getting my blog added to planet, btw? <elvstone> okay. i'm waiting for my new laptop (ordered last week), onto which i will install kubuntu. so now i'll stay here for the whole community thingie and you all have to learn an old FreeBSD fart ubuntu ;) <effie_jayx> tonyyarusso, where's the first class? <Hobbsee> Lesley: yeah, doing some work on REVU (eek) <tonyyarusso> effie_jayx: Here, half an hour <Hobbsee> Lesley: removing some packages, etc <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPlanet maybe? <effie_jayx> tonyyarusso, thnaks <fulat2k> elvstone: what laptop did u get? <elvstone> fulat2k: http://www.fujitsu-siemens.com/home/products/notebooks/amilo_si_1520.html <- this one, but with 2 GB instead of 1. <burner> seems like the first UbuntuOpenWeek thing starts in a half hour or so? :) <elvstone> fulat2k: i looked at the ubuntu laptop testing pages and it seems to be reasonably supported. <fafek2> burner: That's right. * burner is contemplating between an apple and a system76.com laptop <jono> Hobbsee, could you op me please <fulat2k> elvstone: nice. looks very clen <fulat2k> clean <davmor2> Jono: 6 to go 5 to go * mode/#ubuntu-classroom [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-classroom [+o jono] by ChanServ <Hobbsee> jono: sure :) <tonyyarusso> burner: Go with a system76, so you can tell me how they are ;) <jono> thanks <Hobbsee> dholbach: i've cleaned up a bit more of REVU :) <elvstone> fulat2k: :) <jono> ph33l my p0w3r! * jono sniggers <fulat2k> elvstone: better than the dells all over the office :) * dholbach hugs hobbsee some more <whiprush> morning everyone! <gnomefreak> lol <Hobbsee> hehe * mode/#ubuntu-classroom [+o jono] by ChanServ <jono> v.funny :P <Hobbsee> jono: :D * rmunn finds this quite amusing... :-D <jono> I wondered what the hell had happened there :P <Hobbsee> jono: at least i didnt kickban you. <jono> woo! <Hobbsee> [01:36] <-- jono has left this channel (requested by Hobbsee: " now you ph33l my p0w3r!!!!!! :P"). <jono> hehe <fulat2k> elvstone: got myself a core2duo desktop and i'm procrastinating to install kubuntu 6.10 on it :) <Hobbsee> which, i guess you couldnt undo either, as you're not on the access list <elvstone> fulat2k: ah. okay. <Hobbsee> fulat2k: make sure you install edgy on that, not dapper. * Daylighter only uses Edgy now... <fulat2k> Hobbsee: correct me if i'm wrong, edgy == 6.10+? <gnomefreak> fulat2k: yes 6.10 = edgy <Hobbsee> fulat2k: yep. <Hobbsee> fulat2k: you may also need 915resolution (in universe) to get the widescreen resolution, if it's a widescreen machine <fulat2k> cool, then i should be set. at least the live cd portion loaded properly :) <Jucato> Hobbsee! <dcomsa> is there a forum where an ubuntu user can find solution to common problems? <Hobbsee> Jucato! <Hobbsee> dcomsa: ubuntuforums.org * Jucato preps Konvi and Kate for the class <dcomsa> Hobbsee: thanks <dcomsa> but i was thinking at an howto <effie_jayx> hey all what UTC time is it? I am in south america and I'm alittle timelessly lost <dcomsa> for instance i had a problem with my headphones output until today <gnomefreak> dcomsa: depends on the problem <davmor2> 14:42 <ezenu3> is kernel-generic like kernel-386? <dcomsa> and i want to post the solution <effie_jayx> davmor2, thanks bro <gnomefreak> exo-griffith: i686 <hernan43> mrng <dcomsa> somewhere accessible to others <gnomefreak> oops <gnomefreak> ezenu3: i686 <burner> dcomsa: u can also try the wiki if it's appropriate <davmor2> jono 2 to go <dcomsa> burner: is there a ubuntu wiki? <gnomefreak> !sound <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If you are still having problems with sound, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin <jono> :) <burner> dcomsa: wiki.ubuntu.com <stgraber> dcomsa: wiki.ubuntu.com <tonyyarusso> dcomsa: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ <gnomefreak> dcomsa: please keep support question sin #ubuntu <dcomsa> :) <dcomsa> thanks all <dcomsa> i'm not asking for help <dcomsa> i just want to shorten others searches <burner> jono: since you're here and it's not yet classtime... lugradio is great! and jokosher is great! <ezenu3> gnomefreak, so, I always used kernel-k7 cause my processor is AMD Athlon, but when I upgraded to edgy, it gave me kernel-generic. I guess I should switch back? <jono> burner, thanks! :) <gnomefreak> ezenu3: no thats fine * mode/#ubuntu-classroom [+o tonyyarusso] by ChanServ <davmor2> Burner see now that's gone to his head and he'll not be able to concentrate <seb128> jono: I think that 200 will be no problem ;) <ezenu3> gnomefreak, it wouldn't be better to use the Athlon specific kernel? <gnomefreak> -generic is a few types of kernels rolled into one. smp is now in the generic. if 64 bit you still need the 64 bit kernels. (i cant remembe roff hand what the k7 provided <burner> eh... people need to know when they do good things davmor2 :) <rhk_> dcomsa: ubuntuguide.org <ubulinu> 200 users! jono, how cool is that? * ..[topic/#ubuntu-classroom:tonyyarusso] : Welcome to the Ubuntu Classroom | For more information: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom | Ubuntu Open Week, Nov 27 - Dec 2 between 3pm and 9pm UTC | For the schedule, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek | Open Week starts at 1500UTC - to see this in your timezone, visit http://tinyurl.com/ykqc67 | Logs at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | Please keep support questions in #ubuntu <effie_jayx> burner... overwhelming isn't it? * mode/#ubuntu-classroom [-o tonyyarusso] by tonyyarusso <fulat2k> how much longer? :) <gnomefreak> 10-15 minutes * davmor2 bug tester of jokosher and wolveslug member/master <gnomefreak> give or take <effie_jayx> jono: great fan of your work... looking forward to jokosher :) <rhk_> ezenu3: i686 and K7 put together -> generic <jono> effie_jayx, thanks! :) <fulat2k> cool <davmor2> jokosher 0.2 rocks but 1.0 will rock harder <ezenu3> rhk_, ok, I guess there is no performance benefit to using k7 instead of generic, then? <effie_jayx> jono: will there be a spanish version anytime soon? <jono> effie_jayx, of Jokosher? <effie_jayx> jono: ajam <dholbach> 0.2 should be translated in a couple of languages, right? <gnomefreak> ezenu3: it has the k7 modules you wont tell the difference now please keep support questions in #ubuntu <jono> effie_jayx, I think its available in spanish now :) <rhk_> exenu3: There is no k7 for the new kernel versions, it's i386 or generic now.. <rhk_> gnomefreak: right! <dholbach> effie_jayx: jokosher 0.2 will be available in a week or two in feisty <effie_jayx> jono: good... it will help people in my country alot.. <jono> its in Chinese (China), Danish, Dutch, English (Philippines), English (United Kingdom), Esperanto, Finnish, French, German, Hebrew, Italian, Latvian, Norwegian Bokml, Polish, Portuguese, Portuguese (Brazil), Russian, Slovak, Spanish, Swedish, Tagalog, Welsh <effie_jayx> dholbach, :D <effie_jayx> jono: WOW amazing work.... <jono> :) <effie_jayx> jono: I am an EFL teacher trying to venture in translating a bit.. since I study Informatics Engineering.. so :) <ubulinu> effie_jayx: Where do you come from? <jono> effie_jayx, wow cool :) <davmor2> dholbach fantastic I can bug report again then <jono> brb <effie_jayx> ubulinu, Venezuela <effie_jayx> ubulinu, north of south america <cs_student> germany * burner drops out of jono's fan club as it's trendy now <effie_jayx> ubulinu, what about you? <effie_jayx> burner LOL * jono slaps burner <jono> :P <effie_jayx> burner didn't mean to maintream your idol <lotusleaf> *<:O) <burner> quick question... is there a description other than the title to these things for UbuntuOpenWeek? like a syllabus or something? <jono> burner, not at the moment <jono> thee is a brief description on the main site <sjoeboo> burner: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek has descriptions * davmor2 think burner is jono's b***h <alfmatos> judging by locations, not many are actually in UTC =) <devilsadvocate> burner, there is a wchedule on the wiki <burner> just curious... i have to work a lot during this week, but knowing when I should try to be around would be nice ;) <effie_jayx> davmor2, LOL <burner> devilsadvocate: i saw that, but it only shows the title... like Ubuntu Desktop Team.. not much more detail * mode/#ubuntu-classroom [+o seb128] by jono * burner just plans to idle and log the chan <sjoeboo> burner: i hear you on the trying to fit some ni while working thing <fulat2k> alfmatos: most definitely not :) <fulat2k> any idea if the classroom chats are logged and posted for download later? <alfmatos> fulat2k, don't mind, i can represent for UTC =) <gnomefreak> fulat2k: yes <Panzerboy> hello all <gnomefreak> fulat2k: /msg ubotu logs <fulat2k> alfmatos: i'll represent for GMT +8 :P <davmor2> Jono broke 200 <fulat2k> gnomefreak: cool. <jono> thrashing 200 :) <devilsadvocate> burner, there is some descriper lower in the page <fafek2> How meeting with Sebastian Bacher will look like? He'll only talk how to become an desktop team? <alfmatos> fulat2k, +8 ? where that exactly ? <fulat2k> alfmatos: southeast asia. <MacSlow> Greetings everybody! <fafek2> Errr... You know what I mean <exo-griffith> fulat2k, I'm in Beijing. :) <fulat2k> alfmatos: i'm in malaysia. * jono cranks up some metal <devilsadvocate> indai <tonyyarusso> fafek2: We'll find out ;) <devilsadvocate> india* <rhk_> GMT+2, Helsinki, Finland <malcc> jono: That should thin out the numbers some :) * mode/#ubuntu-classroom [+o gnomefreak] by ChanServ <fulat2k> exo-griffith: beijing is +8 too rite? :P <alfmatos> fulat2k, ok never been anywhere above GMT+2 <exo-griffith> fulat2k, yes, it is. <fulat2k> alfmatos: you should try someday :) * Hobbsee defenestrates mnepton in greeting <fulat2k> alfmatos: i haven't been to anywhere less than +8 :P * mnepton smells of hyacinth and panic <seb128> hey mnepton <mnepton> oy! <ubulinu> effie_jayx: sorry, I was away... I'm Swiss, my wife is mexican. Bueno, saludos de suiza ;-) <fulat2k> exo-griffith: how's the weather there? shanghai seems to be a bit windy/rainy rite? <alfmatos> fulat2k, have tried GMT-6 or so... but not higher =) <fulat2k> exo-griffith: any diff in beijing? <fafek2> One more thing. What's on 16.00? An hour long break before Packaging 101? <benjamin> Hello :) <seb128> mnepton: no need to panic, jono is on commands <mnepton> oh dear sweet jebus ... <effie_jayx> ubulinu, great mix... swiss cheese and nachos.. viva mexico :) * pitti waves * mnepton runs in circles, beeping incessantly <Hobbsee> mnepton: no need to panic either. i left a mattress down on the ground. however, its' very far away from the window. <Hobbsee> hey pitti! <seb128> I'm sure mnepton will be happy to entertain people for one hour at 16utc <exo-griffith> fulat2k, windy, clear sky, nice orange moon, 2 deg C <BugMaN> hi <alfmatos> will the channel be moderated ? <farmer> Goodnight everybody need to work tomorrow please write nice things on the logs <seb128> hey pitti :) * dholbach hugs mnepton like he hasn't seen him for 10 years <jono> right <tonyyarusso> alfmatos: In some form - that was being debated earlier <jono> we nearly ready folks? <effie_jayx> ubulinu, greeting from Maracaibo ... the land of the beloved sun <jayteeuk> Nearly time... and just as I think I might be able to participate in some form, a major incident kicks off. <jono> ######### <fulat2k> exo-griffith: brr... nice. it's really bad here. monsoon season.. blech <Panzerboy> who's the presenter now? <jono> ok some house rules * mnepton hands jono the magic +m <Grishkin> wahahahahaha <gnomefreak> Panzerboy: seb128 will be <Panzerboy> gnomefreak: ok <jono> we don't want to quieten the channel unless absolutely needed <jono> so while seb128 is teaching, please be quiet <jono> discussion about the session can occur in #ubuntu-classroom-chat <jono> feel free to discuss concepts there while the class is going on <Grishkin> great <jono> everyone ready?!!! * seb128 looks lot of people join #ubuntu-classroom-chat <tonyyarusso> jono: If necessary to quiet, does seb128 want +z opt. w/ no ops, or something else? <jono> we will quieten it if needed, but I think we will be fine <jono> right seb128, take it away! :) <seb128> tonyyarusso: I think we are fine, thank you <Casanova> Grub_Now: ! <seb128> ok <Grub_Now> pwned <gnomefreak> jono: only one problem people joining wont know <Casanova> Grub_Now: tempted <Grub_Now> Casanova: no, i was pwned <seb128> Good Afternoon Desktop Lovers :) <Panzerboy> jono: put it in the topic <jono> gnomefreak, I will update the topic <pitti> Good afternoon, Monsieur Bacher! <seb128> I'm Sebastien Bacher, and I'm working on the Ubuntu Desktop * ..[topic/#ubuntu-classroom:jono] : Welcome to the Ubuntu Classroom | For more information: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom | Ubuntu Open Week, Nov 27 - Dec 2 between 3pm and 9pm UTC | For the schedule, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek | Open Week starts at 1500UTC - to see this in your timezone, visit http://tinyurl.com/ykqc67 | Logs at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | Please keep support questions in #ubuntu | Class discussion in #ubu <seb128> and I'll lead the discussion for the next hour apparently ;) <seb128> so let's get started <seb128> looks like we have some Desktop Team members around * ..[topic/#ubuntu-classroom:Hobbsee] : Welcome to the Ubuntu Classroom | Ubuntu Open Week, Nov 27 - Dec 2 between 3pm and 9pm UTC | For the schedule, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek | Open Week starts at 1500UTC - to see this in your timezone, visit http://tinyurl.com/ykqc67 | Logs at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | Please keep support questions in #ubuntu | Class discussions in # <seb128> want to present yourself quickly guys? <Hobbsee> gah <dholbach> Hello everybody, I'm Daniel Holbach, work with "magic" seb128 in the Desktop Team and help him to work on bugs, take care of accessibility related packages, look after Telepathy and Galago packages, try to keep our wiki clean, package new stuff, do a bunch of other things I forgot in the list and try to be there for everybody. I think the Desktop Team's secret to success is Hugging. * ..[topic/#ubuntu-classroom:Hobbsee] : Welcome to the Ubuntu Ubuntu Open Week, Nov 27 - Dec 2 between 3pm and 9pm UTC | For the schedule, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek | Open Week starts at 1500UTC - to see this in your timezone, visit http://tinyurl.com/ykqc67 | Logs at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | Please keep support questions in #ubuntu | Class discussions in # * pitti is Martin Pitt, working on Utopia related packages on Gnome * seb128 hugs dholbach * seb128 hugs pitti * dholbach hugs seb128 back <Panzerboy> come on guys :) * ..[topic/#ubuntu-classroom:Hobbsee] : Welcome to the Ubuntu Classroom | Ubuntu Open Week, Nov 27 - Dec 2 between 3pm and 9pm UTC | For the schedule, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek | Open Week starts at 1500UTC - to see this in your timezone, visit http://tinyurl.com/ykqc67 | Logs at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | Please keep support questions in #ubuntu | Class discussions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat <seb128> other desktop guys who want to say something? ;) <BugMaN> I'm BugMaN and i am admin of Italian Translation gruopu, and in free time i help triage bugs in Desktop Team. <pitti> also, all sorts of i18n <Hobbsee> sorry guys :( <Grub_Now> pwned again <shastry> Grub_Now: he lies :| <buccaneer> Jee Willikers, I am in an Ubuntu Classroom <seb128> So the Desktop taking is basically the people who take care of the Ubuntu desktop and try to make it rocking <Grub_Now> darn <Grub_Now> Casanova: liar ! <shastry> hmpf <seb128> I've some notes for the session <seb128> I'll copy then by block and people are free to comment after each ones <seb128> does it work for you? <Panzerboy> seb128: yeah <seb128> ok, let's go then :) <seb128> The main goals for the team are: <seb128> - update desktop packages when new upstream versions are available <seb128> - make easy for users to try new cool softwares by packaging them quickly <seb128> - have a good collaboration with upstream <seb128> - triage and fix desktop bugs <seb128> - make the Ubuntu Desktop ROCK! <seb128> <seb128> Those are the major goals for the team <seb128> any remark or questions on that? <crevette> Hello <fafek2> How do you know which packages want Ubuntu users? <rmunn> How does the team decide what falls in the category of "desktop packages"? <Panzerboy> seb128: this includes all the xgl aiglx compiz beryl stuff? <seb128> fafek2: we look at forums, lists, bugs <gnomefreak> Panzerboy: no <seb128> Panzerboy: not really <jono> ssh people, lets do Q+A at the end of the tutorial section <seb128> there is a desktop-effects subteam for those <seb128> ok <gnomefreak> :) <Keyseir> holy ops batman <Panzerboy> seb128: ok :) <seb128> Where you can find members of the desktop team: <seb128> - the #ubuntu-desktop@freenode IRC chan <seb128> - the williamsmith@example.net mailing list <seb128> we also look at launchpad bugs for desktop packages <seb128> so let's see the things you can do for the desktop team if you want to contribute <seb128> you can <seb128> * Work on Bugs: <seb128> Bugs managements is a good part of the work for the desktop team at the moment and required to prioritise the work and now what problems should worked first <seb128> . <giskard> hi ;) <mnepton> seb128: you also get yelled at by weird people in montreal. <seb128> some points about bug management <seb128> mnepton: right :p <seb128> - Places for desktop bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/people/desktop-bugs/+assignedbugs, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Bugs <seb128> - You can help the Desktop Team by joining the bug squad (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad) <seb128> * 236 members to date <seb128> * ~60000 bug mails in the last year ;-) <seb128> * Hug Days <Kenton> What is the workflow of a updated package? <seb128> * forward useful bugs and investigate with upstream <seb128> * make bug useful (reassign them to the right place, ask for required details, get debug backtrace for crashers, clean bugs that should be closed) <seb128> - help listing bugs that should be fixed for the next version of Ubuntu (or fixes to backport) <Raiko> Hello <jono> Raiko, ssh <seb128> Kenton: let's discuss that after the presentation <seb128> there is not only bugs <seb128> there is also communication with other people <seb128> * Communication with other teams, upstream, Debian, etc: <seb128> We want to have a good relationship with the people we work with <seb128> - work on forwarding patches upstream (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/UpstreamDelta), having a low delta is better for everybody <seb128> - become point of contact between the distribution and upstream for packages you have an interest in <seb128> - work with other teams and Debian <seb128> people working on documentation: <seb128> * Documentation: <seb128> A good documentation help new contributors to know where to start and also not-so-new team members how to do specific things, or what is to do by example <seb128> . <seb128> - help by writing specifications (i.e: documents on launchpad and the wiki that describes the changes we want to get implemented and how) <seb128> - update wiki pages for the DesktopTeam (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam) (goals, list of things to do, documentation, how to start, etc) <seb128> - help the ubuntu-docs team <Keyseir> gnomefreak, I ran into some weird problems trying to burn a dapper install cd. I downloaded the iso, but the md5sums were different. Reactivated the torrent, it repaired itself for a second. unactivate, broken again. So I tried to leave the torrent open while burning, but the burn came out as a different md5sum sequence and the original iso was an even different sequence even though bt was still open. <seb128> next point: packaging: <seb128> * Packaging: <seb128> Most of the work for a distribution is at the packaging level which means there is some place to contribute there too :) <seb128> . <seb128> - help doing desktop packages updates (update the package, test the new version, communicate issues with upstream is there is any) <seb128> - pick a package you have interest in (contacting the usual maintainer before starting to work on it might be a good idea) and start working on it. No need to have uploads right to start on a package, having your first updates mentored is usually a good start and way to learn. If you do a good job you can quickly become the maintainer for that package <seb128> - work on fixing issues by writting patches or backporting them from upstream and applying those fixes to the packages <seb128> - package new softwares <tux75> salve a tutti <tux75> ho un paio di problemi con la mia ubuntu.. <seb128> you can also help testing: <seb128> * Testing: <seb128> - help testing GNOME, write specific test plans <Hobbsee> tux75: english only please <tux75> sorry <BugMaN> tux75: write in english please, (aspetta che finisce di parlare seb128) <seb128> and on other things too <seb128> * Other: <seb128> - new ideas: bring your good ideas of changes for the Ubuntu desktop and help to implement them <seb128> - teams: if you can motivate several people to work on a project creating a team around it is a good way to organize work: pda, printing, mono, telepathy, etc <seb128> <seb128> I think I've listed most of the groups of things you can work on as a desktop team member <seb128> I'll mention some example of tasks to start now <tux75> i've a problem with my ubuntu: when i try to log in a terminal or into a console, i receive a FAIL_DELAY unknown error. <seb128> Examples of tasks to start: <seb128> - If you feel comfortable enough to reply to upstream comment about bugs there is a list of bugs that should be forwarded upstream available on http://tinyurl.com/yzd8t3 (you can also pick bugs not listed there yet, there is plenty of them not categorized to forward) <seb128> - Clean old 'NeedsInfo' bugs <seb128> - help out with packaging, maintaining, merging <seb128> - review bugs with patches attached <seb128> - look at bugs tagged as 'ubuntulove' <gnomefreak> tux75: join #ubuntu <seb128> - write about the new cool changes happening to the UbuntuDesktop world for UWN: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter <seb128> - update wiki pages for the DesktopTeam to make them useful, especially for new contributors (having an updated and useful https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/TODO would be nice by example) <sabdfl> hey seb128 <seb128> hello sabdfl <seb128> the starting point on the wiki for the desktop team is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/GettingStarted <seb128> <seb128> ok, so that's probably enough informations presented * mode/#ubuntu-classroom [+o tonyyarusso] by ChanServ <seb128> let's do comments on that now <seb128> I'm not sure if the format is ideal, that's the first session ;) <dholbach> Considering the different teams: If you're good at any programming language, you will find that you can help out in the Desktop Team also, there are bindings and programs which use them for lots of different languages, for example Python, C++, Perl, Java and so on <at2000> are KDE and Xfce managed by other teams? <Hobbsee> at2000: yes <seb128> is that clear for everybody what the desktop team is doing and what you can do to contribute and how to join? <seb128> at2000: yes <daschl> seb128: i want to contribute in some way, but im afraid that my programming skills are enough. how many skills do i have to have? how many time do i have to spend on it approx. per week? thanks <dholbach> at2000: yes, there's the kubuntu-team and xubuntu-team in http://launchpad.net/people <popey> makes sense seb128 <popey> seb128: can i ask a question? <seb128> at2000: the desktop team is mainly focussed on the Ubuntu desktop (like the Ubuntu CD desktop) <mnepton> at2000: the workflows for those teams are roughly the same, with the same goals. mostly what changes is due to differences upstream. <Panzerboy> popey: don't ask to ask, just ask :) <popey> :) <seb128> hum <fafek2> Don't you have too much responsibilities? <seb128> jono: any idea for the format of questions? <seb128> like one at time <fulat2k> daschl: to add to the question, what kind of language do you guys usually use? <seb128> and how we control that? <jono> I think its best to do things one at a time where we can <seb128> because if everybody asks away that's going to be not easy to manage <fulat2k> any possibility to include beta releases of packages in a separate repo? :) <gnomefreak> seb128: have them pm 1 user with the questions <popey> I have ideas for applications that I'd like to develop. I'd really value a mentor, someone who could help me over the initial hurdles of getting started * mode/#ubuntu-classroom [-o tonyyarusso] by tonyyarusso <Riot777> is there some window manager currently more important than other for Ubuntu desktop team or you are trying to support all the same way ? <finalbeta> Does ubuntu have any project that could use help on coding? perl/python/java/mono. I'm a mid leveled coder so fixing bugs is not my thing. Know several high languages and willing to learn a new one. Does Ubuntu have it's own programs apart from the installer? <seb128> ok, let's stop questions <dholbach> daschl: C, Python, C++ sometimes, and others <jono> ok no more questions for now <seb128> and get one question a time <popey> ok <jono> I will indicate when we accept questions <seb128> let me catch up <seb128> <daschl> seb128: i want to contribute in some way, but im afraid that my programming skills are enough. how many skills do i have to have? how many time do i have to spend on it approx. per week? thanks <seb128> daschl: no need of any particular skill <seb128> and as much time as you want to spend <seb128> if you spend 10 min a week to confirm some bugs <seb128> or make an useful bug report <snail> finalbeta: ubuntu has lots of programs other than the installer <seb128> or reply to an user support question <jono> ok everyone -> ask questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat <jono> then we can pick them out <seb128> any of that is useful <seb128> you don't need any particular skill <daschl> thanks <seb128> just pick something you feel comfortable doing <burner> regarding "new ideas," what would be the preferred way to receive these? so far, I just created an .odt file with screenshots and mockups and text about the general plan, would that suffice? I notice a wiki page for something similar, is that checked? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Visions <seb128> might be replying to some user, filling a good bug, forwarding something upstream, etc <seb128> . <seb128> next question <pitti> note: if somebody particularly likes a program and wants to help with bug triage, it would be incredibly helpful if you could establish a contact to upstream, forward bugs to him, discuss bugs, etc.; i. e. become the packages' 'ambassador' <seb128> <fulat2k> daschl: to add to the question, what kind of language do you guys usually use? <seb128> . <pitti> this doesn't require much programming skills, and is a valuable contribution <seb128> any language used by upstream <seb128> we don't write a lot of app from scratch <seb128> we get 95% of what we ship from upstream <seb128> . <seb128> pitti has a good point <seb128> that's something which is especially appreciate <fulat2k> seb128: point noted <pitti> ... and is rewarded with lots of hugs, and even more important, better quality <pitti> :) <seb128> if you have interest in a package and want to work on it and as a contact point for it that's really appreciate <pitti> ... and KARMA <seb128> by the distro team <gnomefreak> lol <seb128> by upstream <mnepton> finalbeta: pitti's and seb's comments address your question. if you're interested in writing new code rather than triaging, packaging, or applying small modifications, look upstream to the GNOME, KDE, or XFCE desktop projects. <seb128> and by users <seb128> <popey> I have ideas for applications that I'd like to develop. I'd really value a mentor, someone who could help me over the initial hurdles of getting started <seb128> popey: you can create a specification for that, or mail a list with your ideas <popey> which list? <seb128> ubuntu-desktop if that's something for the desktop <popey> it is <seb128> ok, so mail the list <popey> ok, will do <seb128> good <popey> thanks <jono> everyone, prefix your question in #ubuntu-classroom-chat with QUESTION so we can spot them easily :) <seb128> <burner> regarding "new ideas," what would be the preferred way to receive these? so far, I just created an .odt file with screenshots and mockups and text about the general plan, would that suffice? I notice a wiki page for something similar, is that checked? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Visions <gnomefreak> :) <dholbach> writing a specification and track it in launchpad is a good idea for writing a new app also <seb128> burner: I've to admit that .odt is not my preferred way ;) <seb128> the wiki is nice <seb128> you can also mail the desktop list (with your .odt if that makes the presentation easier for you) <davmor2> is there a preferred level of detail for bugs I understand that this doesn't work isn't that uesful but what do you class as acceptable <popey> thanks dholbach <seb128> davmor2: details on what you were doing, version of Ubuntu you are using <seb128> if the crash happens on a document, having an example attached is useful <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures may help in some cases also <gnomefreak> pitti: ambassidor = maintainer? <seb128> for a bug a debug backtrace (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash) is usually required to do something with the bug <dholbach> gnomefreak: no, not necessarily. that's somebody being interested and working on the package <seb128> s/bug/crash <pitti> gnomefreak: FSVO 'maintainer'; this is mainly a communication issue <gnomefreak> k <seb128> next question <seb128> <at2000> QUESTION: can everyone write a spec in launchpad? does it mean I intend to work on that spec or just suggestion of a feature? <seb128> <seb128> at2000: anybody can write a spec yes <seb128> no need to work on it, though it make it easier to be implemented <seb128> we all are already pretty busy <xerxas> being an ambassador for a package is an "abstract" role, right ? there's no such thing in launchpad, right ? <seb128> and there is not a lot of extra new things we can implement with only the core team work <seb128> xerxas: right <sabdfl> xerxas: that's a good point, we should make that an explicit role <xerxas> I think it would be a good idea <seb128> me too <xerxas> I would like to become ambassador on at least one package, which one, I don't know <seb128> that would make things easier for upstream too <gnomefreak> i like that too but having more than one will get confusing <seb128> they would know who to contact <xerxas> gnomefreak, so we'll need some ambassador helpers <DShepherd> /top <xerxas> or "ambassador assistant" <mnepton> gnomefreak: write the spec. :)
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