#ubuntu-translators 2011-08-01 <dpm> good morning all <sagaci> hi <artnay> dpm: hi <dpm> artnay, sorry, on phone calls, I'll come back to you when I can. In the meantime, if you've got any question, you can post it here and I can try ti answer it later on <artnay> dpm: I just wanted you to be (re)noticed of https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/818230 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 818230 in launchpad "LP translations get overwritten by upstream imports (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [Critical,Triaged] <artnay> like if you have any ideas how I could improve the bug report (by giving more examples or so) <dpm> artnay, thanks. Yeah, you subscribed me, so I'm aware of it. I think for now there is no more information needed. You added a lot of detail already, which is great, and the LP developers will come back to you if they need anything else <artnay> dpm: ok, I was just wondering if someone from a different translation (language) group could confirm it <kaltxi> Hey, I've done https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+question/166319 <-- that but I'm not sure If I'm missing somethingâ¦ I'm simply trying to translate to Na'viâ¦ ? <dpm> kaltxi, let me have a look... <kaltxi> okay thanks dpm <kaltxi> dpm did you take a look? <dpm> kaltxi, I replied on the support request, you should have received an e-mail <kaltxi> hmm i haven't <kaltxi> though i see it on launchpad <kaltxi> dpm thanks for your help :) <dpm> kaltxi, we're discussing it right now. We'd be happy to accept the team, but the problem is that it does not fullfill the technical requirement of having an ISO code. We could accept it in Launchpad, but before it can be used in Ubuntu, it needs to be accepted somewhere else (in the glibc project). At this point there is no guarantee that the language would be accepted there, so we want to avoid the situation that Ubuntu can be translated into Na' <dpm> vi in Launchpad, but the translations cannot be used because there is no language definition in glibc. In short, we're trying to avoid you wasting effort, although we'd really like to accept the team <kaltxi> dpm so it can't be done at the minute? <happyaron> no it can't. <kaltxi> can i try and get glibc to support it? <happyaron> yes, in fact it is exactly what you _should_ do now. <kaltxi> okay thanks <kaltxi> Do you guys have any suggestions of contacting the glibc guys? <happyaron> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/AddingNewLanguage <happyaron> this may help. <kaltxi> Thanks <happyaron> And generally here is a knowledge base to check out first for your questions, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase <trijntje> Hi all. Does anybody know a way to figure out which strings with shortcuts (ie _Save or &Save) show up in the same menu, without checking in the GUI? <trijntje> Because sometimes when you translate you have to pick a new letter, and if there's a conflict the shortcut wont work at all #ubuntu-translators 2011-08-02 <kaltxi> Hey, I was in here earlier today and I was asking to see if i could get Na'vi supported. They said due to the lack of a unique ISO code it couldn't be and I should try and get it accepted in glibc. I looked in glibc and found klingon wasn't there upstream so I then looked in ubuntu and it seems to have a patch applied to locales. I'm wondering if Na'vi could? Something maybe like na_GB <Andre_Gondim> kaltxi, could you send mail to mail list asking this? <Andre_Gondim> kaltxi, see more here https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-translators <kaltxi> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+question/166319 would it be better putting it there? <dpm> morning all <kaltxi> dpm I made another post on that question by the way. <dpm> hi kaltxi, sorry, I saw it this morning but didn't have the chance to reply. I've done it now <kelemengabor> hi dpm, any news on the missing Natty langpacks? update-manages still doesn't find anything :( <dpm> hi kelemengabor, sorry, not yet. I was in London working on another project last week (developer.ubuntu.com), and I didn't have the chance to contact the archive admins. <dpm> Let me try to do it tomorrow first thing in the morning <kelemengabor> okay <kaltxi> As for the ISO code could we just contrive one? nvi for example? I know nothing stops a language coming along and requesting that officially but how likely is that and even if that did happen we could change it? <dpm> kaltxi, yeah you could do that. We can help you, but you ultimately have to make the decision on which code to use and tell us. But before doing that, I'd recommend doing some research on whether 'nvi' is already in use, on whether someone has applied to add Na'vi to the ISO standard, and on whether someone has applied to the glibc developers <kaltxi> I think Dr. Frommer (the creator) made a request but failed to get his application in on time <dpm> kaltxi, then I'd suggest researching a bit on which code he was intending to use and on the status of the application <kaltxi> hmm, I'll see if i can find it out. <kaltxi> thanks! <dpm> kaltxi, no worries, happy to help. The more info we've got, the easier to find a solution <kaltxi> Nvi is definitely not taken <kaltxi> dpm looks like it was requested http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/cr_files/2011-035.pdf <dpm> kaltxi, if you could add this info on the support request, so that there is a record of it, that'd be really helpful <kaltxi> yep okay sure, is this enough or want me to keep researching? <kaltxi> okay well i replied :P <dpm> kaltxi, if you could add the link to the PDF, that'd be useful too <kaltxi> o yeh sorry gah im loosing it today <dpm> no worries :) #ubuntu-translators 2011-08-03 <dpm> good morning all <RawChid> Good morning! <trijntje> Hi all, what is the corresponding gnome version number for programs in oneiric? <trijntje> Are we using development, which would be 3.2? <kelemengabor> trijntje: I think so, there are several gnome packages with version 3.1.x <trijntje> kelemengabor: ok, thanks. Its always hard to compare these things using just numer of strings in a package <serfus> OMG 61 bugs handled by Gabor <kaltxi> Hey, I'm just really checking I've done everything I need to and what the next steps will be https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+question/166319 #ubuntu-translators 2011-08-04 <kaltxi> dpm have I done everything I need to on https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+question/166319 ? <kaltxi> brb <kaltxi> back #ubuntu-translators 2011-08-05 <andrejz> hello dpm, dpm_ <andrejz> i was wondering if there is something new known about universe packages tranlsatable in launchpad <dpm> hi andrejz :) there's nothing new yet, as I said last week, we need to wait until pitti comes back next week <andrejz> oh, i made a mistake by one week ;) <andrejz> i have another question, dpm <dpm> andrejz, sure :) <andrejz> why does compiz have so low priority (4970) in oneiric ? <andrejz> isn't it installed by default? <dpm> andrejz, it falls under the "GUI, default, other" category on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/TemplatesPriority <dpm> and its messages are not very visible, IIRC <andrejz> how come it doens't fit under "GUI, default, Ubuntu 9000 - 9499"? <ubot4> Ubuntu bug 9000 in xmms (Ubuntu) "xmms fails to run (dup-of: 8474)" [Critical,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/9000 <ubot4> Ubuntu bug 8474 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 (Debian) (and 1 other project) "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed! (dup-of: 6786)" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/8474 <ubot4> Ubuntu bug 6786 in xmms (Debian) (and 1 other project) "xmms: does not start without libesd0 installed (dups: 9)" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/6786 <dpm> andrejz, (sorry for the delay) it should really be "CLI, default", as the strings are not really visible, if I'm not mistaken, and I don't think people should concentrate more on translating compiz than in real GUI applications. But in any case I raised its priority to "GUI" <Jessica_Lily> dpm is my bug on launchpad okay? whats the next step? :) <dpm> hi Jessica_Lily, whatever we do (either we add it as a patch in Ubuntu or whether upstream glibc accepts it), you'll need to create a locale definition file. So I'd first start with a) Defining that locale definition file and b) Contacting upstream glibc as I mentioned on comment #5, to see what they think <Jessica_Lily> okay <dpm> Jessica_Lily, sorry it's a bit complicated, but it's a technical step all new languages have to go through :/ - You'll find more info on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/AddingNewLanguage <Jessica_Lily> okay :) I'm happy to put the time in, I'll reply to the bug once I'm done! <dpm> Jessica_Lily, excellent, thanks for looking into this! :-) <andrejz> dpm i have a question about an indicaitor of packages translation status in the software center <andrejz> i send email to mvo quite a while ago and he hasn't replied. do you know if he's around? <dpm> andrejz, he should be, but he might be busy. I'd recommend sending a reminder e-mail <andrejz> ok #ubuntu-translators 2011-08-06 <head_victim> Is there a collection of useful scripts and things for translators anywhere in particular? One of our translators has made some javascript to make the launchpad pages auto come up with batch=50 <kelemengabor> head_victim: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-translations-coordinators/ubuntu-translations/ubuntu-i18n <kelemengabor> altough not so many of them <head_victim> kelemengabor: thanks, anything is a start, if it helps make our jobs easier I'm all for it <sagaci> thanks, i'll grab a copy <kelemengabor> head_victim: if you wrote something useful, I think you can just open a bug and propose a branch <head_victim> kelemengabor: yep was just going to point the person who actually wrote it there, don't want to steal their work was just seeing if such a thinkg existed first <head_victim> sagaci: if you see jaddi first by all means point him that way <sagaci> yeah, just have to make sure it's free software <head_victim> Yeah that's why I cc'd him into our convo on the email and didn't do what benny did <sagaci> yeah <sagaci> have to hook the .js into the browsers installed or something #ubuntu-translators 2011-08-07 <sagaci> in the package ubuntu-docs/ubuntu-help, there's several strings that are in <gui></gui> tags. Is it OK to translate these strings? #ubuntu-translators 2011-08-09 <harry_> hey facing a strange problem with the Ubuntu 11.04 on the Langauge Selection at the time of login....any help.....!! <harry_> hey anyone with the Ubuntu 11.04 actually i m facing a strange scenario...!! <harry_> with the language selector for Ubuntu 11.04 <kelemengabor> harry_: ask your question * kelemengabor starts up a Natty vbox <harry_> kelemengabor:when i change the langauge at the time of login the "locale" variable is not getting change as per the language selected at the time of login in ubuntu 11.04 <kelemengabor> harry_: are you sure that it is the "locale" variable, and not say LANGUAGE you need? I don't even have such. <harry_> yes you cal try using "env | grep LANG" or by "locale" it gives incorrect language not as we selected <kelemengabor> well, I just logged in to a normally Hungarian system selecting Danish language at login, result is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/661754/ <kelemengabor> what are you trying with? <harry_> yes ...see here you login as the as Danish but the LANG in "env | grep LANG" shows hu_HU.UTF-8 which measn that you system langauige is Hungarian not Dasnish.....because in the Lanaguge Selector in Regional Format tab it s set as the HUNGIAN not as DANISH.. <harry_> kelemengabor:yes ...see here you login as the as Danish but the LANG in "env | grep LANG" shows hu_HU.UTF-8 which measn that you system langauige is Hungarian not Dasnish.....because in the Lanaguge Selector in Regional Format tab it s set as the HUNGIAN not as DANISH.. <kelemengabor> harry_: I think this is related to bug 553162 but I'm not really expert on this area with environment variables <ubot4> Launchpad bug 553162 in language-selector (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "Set $LANGUAGE if the user picks a different locale in gdm, so that language-selector and gdm stop disagreeing (affects: 39) (dups: 14) (heat: 124)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/553162 <harry_> let me see guys <harry_> sry guys i m studying the bug 553162 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 553162 in language-selector (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "Set $LANGUAGE if the user picks a different locale in gdm, so that language-selector and gdm stop disagreeing (affects: 39) (dups: 14) (heat: 124)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/553162 <harry_> ubot4:its a long discussion in bug 553162 so jsut give me a minute to study it <ubot4> harry_: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) <harry_> it okay but thats the useful link you provide <harry_> ubot4:hey thanks for the help dude its realy helpful <ubot4> harry_: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) <RawChid> Hi, I'm translating GTK+ 3.0 Properties. And in the PO file there is: 33 "Project-Id-Version: gtk+ 2.0\n" <RawChid> Shall I change 2.0 to 3.0? <RawChid> Another question; if I have a proposal for change in orignal string. Can I change it in code and do a merge proposal on LP. Or do I need to settle this upstream? (if so, where?) This is the project on LP: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/gtk+3.0 <sagaci> for something like gtk, it'd be better for it to go upstream unless the package is ubuntu-specific <kelemengabor> RawChid: for the header, don't worry, I think I can change it globally <kelemengabor> but, it serves only informational purposes, so it is not that important <kelemengabor> second, about changing translations in the original, please go to the upstream projects translators <RawChid> Okay thanks <kelemengabor> which is here: http://l10n.gnome.org/module/gtk+/ <RawChid> I'm translating with Gnome it upstream at the moment <RawChid> Uh, weird sentence, sorry <RawChid> I'm translating it upstream at the moment yes <RawChid> I'll look if I can propose for a change to source code as well <kelemengabor> err, seems that I can't change the header in the admin interface, so you will need to do it in the po file you intend to send to upstream <RawChid> Oke no problem <RawChid> Are the translations in LP automatically "imported" from Gnome? Or is that done by Gnome translators manually? Maybe trijntje can answer this... <kelemengabor> it is automatic <RawChid> So LP pulls them from git.gnome or something. Do you know the interval? (I'm just curious) <kelemengabor> currently, it happens after a package is build, but we will be soon change to the upstream import, which means close to real time imports <RawChid> Excuse me for my inexperience, but on what basis (WHEN) are packages build? <andrejz> @RawChid: when a new version is released <andrejz> http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointOne <andrejz> next one is on august 15th <andrejz> i don't know exactly what is the time delay between building of packages and import into launchpadg <RawChid> So august 15th there will be a new build of the GTK+ package. So then the translations are imported in LP (maybe a day later or so). <kelemengabor> RawChid: approximately so, yes <andrejz> yes, that's the way it should work, more or less <RawChid> At that moment, all translations done via web interface in LP are overwritten, right? <andrejz> yes <RawChid> Uh, UI mean all translations done in LP (and not upstream) <andrejz> if the string is untranslated in launchpad it gets owerwritten by upstream <andrejz> but if you change a string after it was imported from upstream it won't be overwritten the next time <andrejz> at the next import <RawChid> And vice versa? translated in LP and untranslated in upstream <andrejz> it will be shown as a suggestion <andrejz> @RawChid: stays translated in LP <RawChid> Oke, thanks for the heads up :-D <andrejz> only if it's translated in LP and upstream (and is different in upstream) it gets overwritten by upsteram <andrejz> but only once <andrejz> if you change it again back it won't be owerwritten the 2nd time <RawChid> :) #ubuntu-translators 2011-08-10 <andrejz> kelemengabor can you please check if nightmonkey still time outs for you? <andrejz> for me it became much more serious a couple of days ago <andrejz> can you please confirm it so i am cetrain it's not my network connection to blame <kelemengabor> andrejz: no problem here, launchpad pages open in a few sec <andrejz> ok, thanks <trijntje> Is it possible to watch the oneiric import queue for just one language? Just out of curiosity and to get a better overview of whats going on? <kelemengabor> trijntje: AFAIK, not. The queue is for projects, and can be filtered only by status and file type, not by language <kelemengabor> so, there is no queue for languages <trijntje> kelemengabor: thanks, I was just curious #ubuntu-translators 2011-08-11 <trijntje> How can I get rid of automatic suggestions from launchpad when I dont want to accept them? <trijntje> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/software-center/+pots/software-center/nl/+translate?start=0&batch=10&show=new_suggestions&field.alternative_language=&field.alternative_language-empty-marker=1&old_show=untranslated <trijntje> this shows a number of suggestions, but I dont want to accept any of them. If I can reject them I will immediatly notice if someone has made a new suggestion so that I can review it, these automatic suggestions only obscure things <trijntje> another question: I've noticed that Onboard shares translations with Ubuntu feisty, instead of oneiric. Where can I report this? <artnay> trijntje: maybe https://bugs.launchpad.net/onboard/+bugs and I'd add ubuntu translations to report <artnay> trijntje: I added your import queue wish here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/812243 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 812243 in launchpad "Allow translatable projects to be sorted in more versatile ways (affects: 1) (heat: 11)" [Low,Triaged] <trijntje> I'v submitted a bug report for onboard: <trijntje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/onboard/+bug/824480 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 824480 in onboard "Onboard trunk shares translations with ubuntu feisty, instead of with the latest ubuntu (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] <artnay> trijntje: I added Ubuntu Translations to it <artnay> trijntje: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations <trijntje> artnay: thanks! #ubuntu-translators 2011-08-12 <trijntje> I've just noticed there are three oneiric packages for documentation, are they all still in use? <trijntje> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/ubuntu-docs <trijntje> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/gnome-user-docs/+pots/gnome-user-docs-gnome-help <trijntje> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/gnome-user-docs/+pots/gnome-user-docs-user-guide #ubuntu-translators 2011-08-15 <dpm> good morning all <trijntje> good morning <trijntje> is there an easy way to find out which upstream gnome version of a package is used in oneiric? <sagaci> it'd be a good feature to be able to sort batch string sets in alphabetical order, string size, % complete, untranslated, needs review, changed and last edited by just clicking the top label... #ubuntu-translators 2011-08-16 <dpm> morning all <RawChid> Good morning <Jessica_Lily> dpm, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/824094 <-- I think that bugs more you thing <ubot4> Launchpad bug 824094 in totem (Ubuntu) "Incorrect program name for the GB locale (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] <kelemengabor> Jessica_Lily: I assigned to the British team, thanks <Jessica_Lily> o awesome :D <Jessica_Lily> pfft low xD <dpm> Jessica_Lily, I'd recommend talking to the British English translators at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-en-gb - this is a fix that can be done in 2 minutes, but it needs to be discussed so that everyone agrees with the terminology #ubuntu-translators 2011-08-17 <dpm> good morning all <kelemengabor> dpm: hi, do you have a second? <dpm> kelemengabor, sure, just finished off a call <kelemengabor> so, the time for the Natty langpack updates testing is up, but we got no response from those three languages (es, sl, pt_BR) that reached 100% coverage in ubuntu-help translation - this quite kills the point of having updated base packages. What should we do? <kelemengabor> also, Andre_Gondim report in: don't you want fully translated Natty help in -updates? :) <dpm> hit them with a stick! <kelemengabor> :D <dpm> let me give them a heads up on the list <Andre_Gondim> let me see <kelemengabor> Andre_Gondim: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA <dpm> kelemengabor, I've just sent a reminder to the translators list and to each team's list. Let's have another chat tomorrow to see if anyone has signed off those languages in the meantime <kelemengabor> dpm: okay <dpm> thanks for looking at this kelemengabor! <kelemengabor> you are welcome :) <kelemengabor> also, there was a question raised on the list by Hannie: will there be another update for the docs translation (for Natty)? <kelemengabor> or rather: should we do another? <kelemengabor> I think we should talk about this with the docs team, and develop a clear schedule for next cycle, as it would be great to have more time to translate the docs, but their help would be needed <happyaron> anyone know about how to translate codeblocks? it seems the wiki on codeblocks.org is largely out dated. <dpm> kelemengabor, yeah, I agree. Perhaps we should have a UDS session for that as well (common schedule for updates) <dpm> happyaron, no, I don't know, sorry <happyaron> dpm: hey, it's not your problem... I believe it's codeblocks developers' problem. <happyaron> their wiki contains only out dated instructions, there release tarballs contains no translation, their forum has nobody talking on this issue for 5 years. But in svn trunk, there is POT files in non-standard directory, and I don't know where to place the translated files... #ubuntu-translators 2011-08-18 <dpm> good morning everyone <andrejz> good morning, dpm <dpm> morning andrejz - thanks for testing the Slovenian langpacks ;) <andrejz> yeah it's not a problem, i am running natty on the production machine with ppa so it doesn't take much time <andrejz> some other members of the translation team do the same, and then we tell each other if we find something and fix it <andrejz> unfortunately i have been quite busy last two weeks so i forgot to sign off the lang packs <andrejz> btw <andrejz> is ubuntu translators coordinators call still on for today? <dpm> andrejz, if kelemengabor is up for it, yeah. Let's wait for him to come to the channel to check up <dpm> to check *out <andrejz> ok <dpm> sorry I haven't sent the calendar invitation, I was away last week, and I've been busy catching up with other projects this week <andrejz> no problem <danilos> dpm, so, I am cleaning up some of the POTemplate +edit/+admin pages mess (to fix an OOPS), and I wonder what is it that you all in UTC generally need to change <danilos> dpm, do you really require access to the entire +admin page, or would eg. moving potemplate name to the +edit page be enough? <dpm> danilos, generally, I'd say we don't need the +edit page at all and the +admin page would be enough, if that makes things easier. But let me have a look at both pages... <danilos> dpm, heh, well, +admin page has a lot of things where one can mess stuff up very easily <danilos> dpm, I'd be happy to leave you (as the rosetta-expert) with access to the +admin page, but I suppose stuff that's on there is relatively uncommon <danilos> (changing POT header, file format, source package) <dpm> danilos, sure, give me 5 min to double check, as I'm in the middle of another conversation - the source package we do need, though, as it's not uncommon that KDE packages need that changed <danilos> dpm, sure <dpm> danilos, here are my thoughts: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/669125/ <dpm> andrejz, you've been managing templates this cycle, perhaps you want to have a look at it too, regarding the conversation danilos started ^ <dpm> it's about the edit and admin links on pages such as https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+templates <andrejz> i was wondering why are there two links edit and admin <andrejz> there is a lot of duplication present <andrejz> maybe admin interface is suppposed to be accessible by less people than edit ? <dpm> andrejz, yeah, I think that's the idea, but right now it's not really like that, because +edit is not really useful, and everyone goes to +admin <dpm> so danilos is trying to sort that out <dpm> and is asking for some feedback on what we need on each page <danilos> andrejz, +admin link is generally very fragile (it lets one mess up things very badly), it was only exposed to UTC team to avoid Launchpad team blocking Ubuntu from doing what they need <danilos> andrejz, the idea is that we move the things that you *do* need to +edit page, and just get rid of the admin link altogether <andrejz> ok, i get it now <andrejz> i went through the list and i think dpm listed everything we need <dpm> thanks andrejz <danilos> dpm, andrejz: thanks guys <dpm> no worries :) <danilos> dpm, so, it's ultimately your call if you want the series on the +edit page <andrejz> also it might be good to add a possibility to change translation priority when solving "need review" status <dpm> andrejz, yeah, there is a bug about that, IIRC <danilos> andrejz, heh, there are many things that are missing in LP for it to be even better, but we can't fix it all at once <andrejz> sure i understand , just wanted to make sure it's written on someone's todo list <andrejz> this priorities are not really that problematic, since they can be changed quickly with a script <dpm> danilos, it all depends on what we do with the +admin page - were you thinking of getting rid of it altogether, or restrict the access to rosetta-admins? <danilos> dpm, it will be restricted to rosetta-admins (and LP admins, of course) <danilos> dpm, still, I am special casing the Ubuntu templates anyway, so if you feel entire UTC team should have access to something, just let me know before I get this branch finished and landed :) <dpm> danilos, in that case, I'd say leave the source package fields where they are (in +admin), as it's a confusing bit that can mess things around and it's an action that happens only rarely. If necessary, as part of rosetta-admins I can do it myself. <andrejz> danilos, i was wondering if you maybe know anything about this bug (it's been really bugging me) - it's been marked as critical but there was notactivity for over a month now https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/809791 <danilos> dpm, cool, agreed, thanks <ubot4> Launchpad bug 809791 in launchpad "timeout when searching for long or short and common strings in translations (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Critical,Triaged] <dpm> danilos, ok :) <danilos> andrejz, we have ~250 critical bugs, but thanks for bringing it to my attention, I'll try to take a look at it soon <andrejz> it hasn't been so bad untill two weeks ago <andrejz> but i am getting timeouts really often, so i abandoned translating package descriptions for now <andrejz> thanks, danilos, appreciate it :) <andrejz> dpm is meeting for today on or off? <danilos> andrejz, we've actually removed a lot of stale translations from the DB at around that time, so perhaps DB is using very bad query plans since then <andrejz> i need to adjust my schedule accordingly to be avaiable at 6 p.m. <dpm> kelemengabor, are you up for the translations coordinator call today, at 18:00? <andrejz> @danilos: that sounds reasonable <dpm> *coordinators <kelemengabor> dpm: yes <dpm> andrejz, ok, let's do it, then <andrejz> ok cool. is this via skype or google+? <dpm> kelemengabor, do you have a g+ account and want to use google hangout, or stick with skype? <kelemengabor> dpm: no g+ for me <dpm> kelemengabor, andrejz, ok, we'll stick with skype, then <andrejz> ok, good <dpm> or if someone wants to investigate if there is a free mumble server we can use, that'd also be great * kelemengabor is mistrustful towards overhyped new Google services since we in the Loco started using Google Wave <andrejz> what happened, kelemengabor? <kelemengabor> dpm: I wonder if our own defauld dogfood (Empathy) is really that bad? <kelemengabor> andrejz: nothing special, it just plainly sucked <kelemengabor> but oh its soooo cool! we must make use of it! meh. <andrejz> yeah sometimes these things cause more overhead than wanted <andrejz> empathy works for me <kelemengabor> andrejz: even for conference calls? <dpm> kelemengabor, empathy is not bad, but we need a common server/account we can use <andrejz> but i was thinking it might be cool to have some sort of public chat room (not p2p) so everyone can come and listen (if interested) <andrejz> kelemengabor: never had the chance to try conference calls <dpm> kelemengabor, obviously, I favour free software, but I hadn't found a service that we can use with empathy for a free conference call <dpm> we could perhaps set up jabber accounts or gmail <dpm> it only needs investigating and a volunteer for it :) <andrejz> i already have gmail so that's not a problem for me. I just don't know if it works for 3 or more people <andrejz> empathy's home page doesn't mention anything about conference calls <dpm> yeah, I've never tried it, but I thought it might be possible, I just haven't looked into it <andrejz> i didi't find anything conclusive. Maybe we can just try it out and see if it works <andrejz> kelemengabor and myself will try it out before the meeting <kelemengabor> dpm: do you know when will be langpack generation for Oneiric enabled again? <dpm> kelemengabor, let me ping pitti, they should have been enabled after the last freeze <dpm> kelemengabor, andrejz, let's pick up the agenda for the call from the last call notes I sent. Let me know if there is anything you want to add to the agenda <andrejz> can you give the link to previous agenda? <kelemengabor> dpm: yes, could we talk about that bug day that I failed to organize? <kelemengabor> or rather, what should I do now <dpm> andrejz, I think all the points we didn't talk about were on the e-mail I sent with the call notes (sorry, I do need to set up a wiki page for that) <dpm> kelemengabor, no worries, let's talk about that during the call <andrejz> this are the notes, dpm, kelemengabor - http://pastebin.com/HhJwWLpE <dpm> thanks andrejz :) <dpm> kelemengabor, andrejz, all set? <kelemengabor> one min <andrejz> yup <andrejz> dpm <andrejz> apt, libapt and such is not a part of langpack, correct? <dpm> andrejz, IIRC, that's correct. <andrejz> ok, just approving some imports and wanted to check <kelemengabor> dpm: dpkg -L language-pack-hu | grep apt <kelemengabor> :P <dpm> andrejz, I'm not sure if we disabled the language packs, though (i.e. the checkbox that says "export in language packs") <kelemengabor> but, I'm set now <andrejz> yeah i am disabling it now <dpm> well, kelemengabor just confirmed we didn't :) <dpm> ok, ready to roll <dpm> kelemengabor, andrejz http://pastebin.com/HhJwWLpE <kelemengabor> andrejz: please close bug #446277 if you are sorting out apt imports <ubot4> Launchpad bug 446277 in ubuntu-translations "apt templates handling in Ubuntu (affects: 1)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/446277 <dpm> kelemengabor, andrejz : https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/unity-lens-files/+imports <kelemengabor> andrejz: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/unity-lens-files/oneiric/files/head:/po/ <kelemengabor> the old file is still in bzr <dpm> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/unity-greeter/+imports * kelemengabor just filed bug #828897 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 828897 in oneconf (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Add gettext type tag to the .ui file entry in POTFILES.in (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/828897 <dpm> kelemengabor, andrejz https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Planning <kelemengabor> dpm: andrejz: bug 487873 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 487873 in ubuntu-translations "Search for translation bugs only reported in ubuntu and assign them to ubuntu-translations (affects: 1)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/487873 <dpm> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=translate&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package= <dpm> kelemengabor, andrejz ^ #ubuntu-translators 2011-08-19 <andrejz> dpm do you possibly have session notes from yesterday available somewhere. I think i forgot one of my actions :( <dpm> andrejz, don't worry, I'll send them later on today. I'm a bit busy with developer.ubuntu.com today, but I'll try to send them by the end of the day <andrejz> sure, no rush <dpm> so don't worry about remembering the actions, that's what the notes are for :) <dpm> damn, I hate it when evolution inadvertently crashes... <yurchor> Hi! Is two gcc-4.6 templates in 11.10 the expected feature? <yurchor> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/gcj-4.6/+pots/gcc-4.6/uk/+translate <yurchor> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/gcc-4.6/+pots/gcc-4.6/uk/+translate <dpm> yurchor, one is for the java compiler and the other for the c compiler <yurchor> But they are identical, aren't they? <yurchor> I mean it will lead to the package conflict if someone translate these templates in different way in any installable language. <kelemengabor> they look to be identical <yurchor> Quality of the new unity-lens-music is not very high... Missing "90s", "funk" and "rock" from the small letter... Just a rant. ;) <kelemengabor> dpm: I have the impression that the gcj package uses the same source as gcc, and is separate only to make packaging easier or something like this. therefore, we should disable its translation templates <kelemengabor> and thank yurchor for spotting it :) <gumara> So, I need some help about translation. <gumara> ? <gumara> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/ubiquity/+pots/ubiquity-debconf/th/211/+translate <gumara> In 11.04 and 11.10 don't display as this word. <kelemengabor> hi gumara, I think it is normal that you don't see this in the software yet <kelemengabor> as this was translated on 05-02, this was too late for 11.04 <kelemengabor> and AFAIK there was no translation update yet for 11.10 in the installer <kelemengabor> but I'm sure that there will be one <kelemengabor> dpm: gnome-applets is now in universe, I'm disabling it: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/gnome-applets <dpm> kelemengabor, ack, thanks <kelemengabor> system-tools-backends too: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/system-tools-backends <kelemengabor> gnome-mag is next: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/gnome-mag <kelemengabor> and gnome-system-tools: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/gnome-system-tools <kelemengabor> we still don't have an automated way to detect obsolete templates, do we? <dpm> no, unfortunately not <andrejz> kelemengabor, how do you check if packages are in main? via packages.ubuntu.com? <kelemengabor> andrejz: I start on https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+lang/hu?batch=300 on this page, I click the package name, this takes me to the translation page like https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/kde-runtime/+pots/solid-hardware/hu/+translate then I clikc Overview in the top left corner, this takes to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/kde-runtime and here you can see the Component <kelemengabor> slow and manual process, but if you know which packages are likely to be obsolete nowadays, it can be effective :) <dpm> kelemengabor, andrejz, you can also install the ubuntu-dev-tools package and use the rmadison tool: <dpm> rmadison <package> <andrejz> does this specify package for current version or all <dpm> it's quite handy to determine whether a package is (or was) in main <dpm> yeah <dpm> for all active distros <andrejz> If i wanna check what's in 11.10 do i need to run it? <andrejz> ok, cool <dpm> andrejz, here's an example of the output: <dpm> $ rmadison gnome-control-center <dpm> gnome-control-center | 1:2.22.1-0ubuntu4 | hardy | source, amd64, i386 <dpm> gnome-control-center | 1:2.22.1-0ubuntu4.1 | hardy-updates | source, amd64, i386 <dpm> gnome-control-center | 1:2.30.0-0ubuntu4 | lucid | source, amd64, i386 <dpm> gnome-control-center | 1:2.30.1-0ubuntu2 | lucid-updates | source, amd64, i386 <dpm> gnome-control-center | 1:2.32.0-0ubuntu2 | maverick | source, amd64, i386 <dpm> gnome-control-center | 1:2.32.1-0ubuntu15 | natty | source, amd64, i386 <dpm> gnome-control-center | 1:3.1.4-0ubuntu5 | oneiric | amd64, i386 <dpm> gnome-control-center | 1:3.1.5-0ubuntu1 | oneiric | source <andrejz> yes, but where do you see if it's in main or not? <kelemengabor> $ rmadison synaptic <kelemengabor> synaptic | 0.61ubuntu9 | hardy | source, amd64, i386 <kelemengabor> synaptic | 0.63.1ubuntu6 | lucid | source, amd64, i386 <kelemengabor> synaptic | 0.63.1ubuntu7 | lucid-updates | source, amd64, i386 <kelemengabor> synaptic | 0.63.1ubuntu14 | maverick | source, amd64, i386 <kelemengabor> synaptic | 0.75.1ubuntu2 | natty | source, amd64, i386 <kelemengabor> synaptic | 0.75.2ubuntu6 | oneiric/universe | source, amd64, i386 <kelemengabor> andrejz: here <andrejz> oh i see /universe indicates not in main :) <kelemengabor> hm... if synaptic is in main, why is synaptic-manual translatable? <andrejz> but it's not in main anymore <kelemengabor> yep <andrejz> so synaptic-manual should be disabled too <kelemengabor> and synaptic is still translatable too <andrejz> ok i will disable it <kelemengabor> no - I just did it <andrejz> ok, cool <andrejz> unity templates are now visible <kelemengabor> hm... someone enabled this: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/scribus <kelemengabor> last time I saw, it was a Qt program, using qm files for actual translation, and providing po files only for convenience <kelemengabor> anything changed since? <andrejz> iirc scribus is in main <andrejz> that's why i enabled it at some point in the past <andrejz> i wasn't aware f qm /po files situation <andrejz> *of <kelemengabor> http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/i386/scribus/filelist <kelemengabor> /usr/share/scribus/translations/scribus.af.qm <kelemengabor> /usr/share/scribus/translations/scribus.ar.qm <kelemengabor> etc... <kelemengabor> no problem, but we should disable it then <andrejz> yes, i agree <andrejz> it ended up in imports queue one day, i confirmed it was in main and so i gave it a go <kelemengabor> I disabled it, and blocked the pot file <andrejz> ok, thx <kelemengabor> dpm: there are a few po files in the import queue of scribus, should I block them or delete? <dpm> kelemengabor, I'd say delete them for now, I'm still not sure what to do with scribus (they use qt linguist, IIRC) <kelemengabor> done <kelemengabor> well, we can't do much about it until we have native ts/qm file format import/export support in LP <artnay> transifex supports those nowadays, you might want to take a look at their solution <artnay> http://help.transifex.net/user-guide/formats.html#qt-files <kelemengabor> artnay: I think we could discuss moving Ubuntu translations to a Transifex platform at the next UDS <kelemengabor> /troll <artnay> you almost got me <kelemengabor> :) <kelemengabor> I wonder... won't it cause collisions/lost work if we export a gcc.mo/cpplib.mo/libstdc++.mo file from gcc-4.4, gcc-4.5 and gcc-4.6 at the same time? * kelemengabor thinks we went too far with this "let's translate everything in LP" idea :( <andrejz> IMO all gcc templates can be disabled, since people who use those will most likely want to use them in english <andrejz> i know that at least for our team we will probably never get to gcc <kelemengabor> yeah, this is why we don't even try to translate it either <andrejz> we rather transfer the docs and such <andrejz> it's rather difficult to find a good programming book in slovenian (due to small market - 2 million) so whoever uses gcc is almost forced to do english already <kelemengabor> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA has still no response from es and pt_BR :( <RawChid> kelemengabor, will it still be helpful if we test Kubuntu? <RawChid> Because the deadline elapsed <kelemengabor> RawChid: well sure, but be quick <RawChid> How quick? <kelemengabor> I was about to ping pitti about the test results <RawChid> well, if we don't test it, it will be released anyway? <kelemengabor> no, then it stays in -proposed <RawChid> Hmm, okay. we don't have the resources to be that quick now. Just do your thing :) <kelemengabor> like, half an hour quick? is that enough? <Jessica_Lily> dpm, you know the locale thing I'm creating.. <Jessica_Lily> for na'vi <RawChid> But if I test it later. It is still helpful to update THAT wiki page kelemengabor? <kelemengabor> RawChid: oh, I see... then not <Jessica_Lily> you know its language_region .. what region would na'vi be... I'm assuming pandora wouldn't be valid xD <kelemengabor> unfortunately. but we have only one deadline, if you miss it, the next deadline will be for another langpack <RawChid> kelemengabor, I fully understand. I just saw it a minute ago that we didn't test Kubuntu. <dpm> Jessica_Lily, you can have a look at the klingon locale, see what region they used :) <Jessica_Lily> GB <Jessica_Lily> I looked <dpm> ok, I'm finally heading for the weekend. Have a good one everyone! #ubuntu-translators 2011-08-22 <kelemengabor> dpm: any news on re-enabling the Oneiric langpacks? <dpm> kelemengabor, I did it this weekend :) <dpm> https://dev.launchpad.net/Translations/LanguagePackSchedule <kelemengabor> cool, thanks! <dpm> I'll send an e-mail to the list as well: <dpm> we'll have the regular delta langpack this week <dpm> and <dpm> a full export on Thursday <dpm> as pitti wants to prepare the langpacks for the beta <kelemengabor> hey andrejz, got a second? <andrejz> sure <kelemengabor> remember that last friday, we went through the import queue, and saw this @GETTEXT_PACKAGE@.pot? <andrejz> yes <kelemengabor> well, that's because of a bug, if you ever see it again, don't forget to file one <kelemengabor> and this is how to solve it: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kelemeng/unity-greeter/bug831026/revision/91 <andrejz> ok, i will make note of it <andrejz> thanks for letting me know <kelemengabor> thanks #ubuntu-translators 2011-08-23 <dpm> morning all <RawChid> Hello :) <sagaci> hi <RawChid> I'm looking at the strings of oneconf. And see a lot of sentences don't begin with a capital. Some of them are shown in --help, and some of them are just "print" messages. I think about translating them all Capitalized. What do you think? <Jessica_Lily> dpm I've added a locale to the na'vi bug <Jessica_Lily> well a link to glibc bug which i filed with it attacked <Jessica_Lily> *attached <dpm> RawChid, it should be ok, although you should then watch out when the developer corrects them all to be capitalized in the original strings, then all your translations will be discarded (well, just marked as fuzzy) <dpm> you might want to give the dev a heads up <dpm> I think it's didrocks <dpm> you can find him on #ubuntu-devel <dpm> or #ubuntu-desktop <dpm> Jessica_Lily, wow, good work! <Jessica_Lily> thanks, i used what i could from the klingon & GB locales <Jessica_Lily> stuff like currancy? i just borrowed from GB because i had no idea what to put for obvious reasons :P <dpm> :) <RawChid> Yeah, that's why I was asking. And I can contribute by "improving" the strings. <RawChid> Thanks dpm <dpm> so the na'vi are going to use pounds, then? ;) <Jessica_Lily> sure! :P <Jessica_Lily> dpm I assume you can change that when you apply a locale you can go into the config and choose like currency if you happen to use a different one <Jessica_Lily> so like US people who use this can go into their settings or german or w/e <dpm> yeah, exactly <Jessica_Lily> awesome! <dpm> Jessica_Lily, can you remind me about the bug number? <Jessica_Lily> urrrrm two seconds (not sure myself) <dpm> no rush :) <Jessica_Lily> its cool, with the power of bash https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+question/166319 <Jessica_Lily> (grepped all my logs in one command xD) <Jessica_Lily> :P <Jessica_Lily> <3 bash <dpm> Jessica_Lily, you can also file a bug in the langpack-locales package in Ubuntu. It often takes a long time for a locale to be included in glibc, so if there is good support behind it and the locale definition has all the right format and content, we sometimes include it as a patch in Ubuntu, so that people can start working on translations in the meantime until it gets accepted. <dpm> Here's how: <dpm> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/langpack-locales/+filebug <dpm> if you do that, remember to add a bug watcher to the upstream bug <dpm> otherwise the langpack-locales maintainers will ask you to file a bug upstream first :) <Jessica_Lily> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/langpack-locales/+bug/831976 <-- like that? <dpm> Jessica_Lily, exactly like that :) - for extra points, you can add a watch to the upstream bug: you can simply click on the "Also affects project" link and follow the instructions there <Jessica_Lily> ahhh <Jessica_Lily> thats cool <Jessica_Lily> dpm how long do you think that'll take? <dpm> Jessica_Lily, honestly, I cannot say, it depends on how busy the developers are <dpm> so it might be a few day or a few weeks <Jessica_Lily> ahh okay <dpm> and it depends as well whether the locale def needs any tweaking <dpm> you can always try to talk to the maintainers directly on IRC <Jessica_Lily> xD <Jessica_Lily> dpm how can i do that? <Jessica_Lily> dpm how did you say i could speed up the totem renaming bug <Jessica_Lily> "Movie Player" -> "Film Player" <dpm> Jessica_Lily, I was suggesting to get in touch with the British English translators through their mailing list <dpm> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-en-gb <Jessica_Lily> I just send an email to the email listed there * Jessica_Lily doesn't use mailing lists <Jessica_Lily> dpm what do i say to them? <dpm> Jessica_Lily, just mention the bug, asking what they think about your proposal, which hopefully should spark a discussion in which they change the translation or agree that the current one is good enough <Jessica_Lily> okay! <Jessica_Lily> :D <dpm> :-) #ubuntu-translators 2011-08-24 <andrejz> hello! <andrejz> i have approved some additional templates and updated the list of templates for which priority needs to be set <andrejz> https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ak3RvMevQNNMdFV6eDV1U29Ea3JpUUQ2SkNKTUNYZHc&hl=en_US <andrejz> it's about 200 templates in total <andrejz> any help with assigning priorities would be very welcome <dpm> andrejz, good work, looking at the list now <andrejz> just send the email to UTC <andrejz> sent <dpm> thanks andrejz <andrejz> no prob <andrejz> i think it makes sense to set the priority now as no new templates are expected (string freeze tommorow) <RawChid> Do I understand it correct that after the freeze of tommorow, the strings won't change anymore for oneiric? <RawChid> I see UserInterfaceFreeze, BetaFreeze @ schedule <dpm> RawChid, correct <dpm> although bugs and string freeze exception requests mean that there are sometimes changes after that <RawChid> Ack <RawChid> So UserInterfaceFreeze means 'translatable' string freeze? <RawChid> Or implies. <sagaci> implies :P <RawChid> :) #ubuntu-translators 2011-08-25 <andrejz> hello dpm_ ! Do you possibly know (or anyone else for that matter) what is happening on the fron of localisable ISOs <dpm_> hi andrejz, skaet (Kate Stewart) is driving that project, but I haven't talked to her in a while. <dpm_> it seems that she's picked some ISOs for initial beta-1 testing <dpm_> and others to test later on: <dpm_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/LocalizedImageContacts <andrejz> good, so evertyhing is still on track for 11.10 <dpm_> yeah <artnay> hmm. we (Finnish LoCo, Mirv) have been building our own .iso to include full language support, see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-fi-remix <dpm_> artnay, this project is about having a set of standard tools to build localized isos, as explained on the mailing list (http://old.nabble.com/Call-for-creating-and-testing-localized-ISO-images-td32114033.html). This does not stop anyone from keeping building localized isos with existing methods, though <Mirv> the script we have works flawlessly for current purposes, but I'll revisit the ihodge@example.net LTS. especially if going by the process would indeed get rid of the Remix status. <Mirv> hmm, on the other hand, I'm interested enough that I'll sign in anyway. <Mirv> at least if oneiric firefox stops crashing :) <dpm_> :) <dpm_> hey Mirv, long time no see, how's it going? <Mirv> dpm: somehow managing to have all the possible (well, not all but many) life-busying things at the same time, but otherwise great ;) <Mirv> let's see how the autumn formulates <Mirv> Debian and Ubuntu on mobile phones still interests as a possibility, even though there's still hard work ahead everywhere to approach the "PC approach" (choose your OS) on phones <dpm> :) #ubuntu-translators 2011-08-26 <askhl_> Hi. Translation sharing between different ubuntu series when uploading po-files. Is that something which happens? <askhl_> It appears to me so far that it doesn't, so in that case I'll need to upload separately to each series. Is this correct? #ubuntu-translators 2011-08-27 <sagaci> hi, I've just downloaded the latest base pack translation, I notice there's a couple of languages, such as en@shaw, en_US@piglation, <sagaci> ca@valencia, en@boldquot - what are these, extra branches? #ubuntu-translators 2011-08-29 <andrejz> hello dpm! <dpm> morning andrejz <andrejz> dpm, can you please send the list of todos from the meeting? <dpm> hi andrejz, yes sorry, I've been busy with other projects. I'll try to do it this evening. <andrejz> ok, thanks <andrejz> no problem i have been busy myself too <andrejz> dpm, i cannot disable git-gui-glossary from administration page <dpm> andrejz, could you elaborate on why you can't? i.e. permission problem, LP oops... <andrejz> the template owner is "katie", which is invalid value <andrejz> hence i cannot save it and am not suer what should i change owner field to <dpm> andrejz, try to change it to ubuntu-translations-coordinators (not sure if packages can be owned by teams) or to yourself. Generally, I would simply change the owner to the last uploader, but it seems that it's being uploaded automatically by ubuntu archive auto-sync: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/git/+changelog <andrejz> sorry, running 11.10 and emapthy has apparently still some bugs, can you repeat whatever you wrote, dpm <dpm> andrejz, sure, no problem :-) <dpm> andrejz, try to change it to ubuntu-translations-coordinators (not sure if packages can be owned by teams) or to yourself. Generally, I would simply change the owner to the last uploader, but it seems that it's being uploaded automatically by ubuntu archive auto-sync: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/git/+changelog <andrejz> also i have another question <andrejz> kdepim is in main <andrejz> but has > 30 templates <andrejz> how can i determine which one is installed and used by default and which not <dpm> andrejz, I think the only thing to determine is if kdepim is installed by default (i.e. you don't need to look at each template, if I'm not mistaken). Here's one way to do it: <dpm> You can go to the CD image download page and look at the .manifest file, which contains all the binary files provided in the image (i.e. what is installed by default) <dpm> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ <dpm> there you can have a look at: <dpm> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/oneiric-desktop-i386.manifest <dpm> which is the manifest file <dpm> and look for kdepim <dpm> if it's in there, it means it's installed by default <dpm> that's just one easy way, although not very accurate <dpm> it's not accurate because the manifest file contains binary package names, while the templates in LP are sorted in source packages <dpm> but I think it should do in this case <andrejz> i prefer the accurate way if it's not too difficult ;) <dpm> it's not difficult, but it takes some time, something I don't have much of right now, unfortunately :( <andrejz> i see <andrejz> i think it would be then best to use the less accurate method and set the templates <andrejz> they can be reviewed again at a later time if time constaints permit it <dpm> for the accurate method, if you're interested: you have to either use existing apt/dpkg tools to determine the source package name from a binary package name, or write a python script for that <andrejz> dpm is it possible to apply template change to only a part of the templates from the list for now? <dpm> andrejz, you mean priority change? <andrejz> yes, priority change <dpm> yes, sure <andrejz> a lot of people will be working on translations next weekend (UGJ) * dpm adds it to the TODO list for this evening #ubuntu-translators 2011-08-30 <andrejz> hello dpm! <andrejz> i have a question about ddtp <dpm>
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