#ubuntu-mythtv 2008-02-01 <superm1> blkorpheus, were you talking about the broken weather applet? <superm1> its part of the clock now from what i just noticed <superm1> right click your clock and you can check and uncheck to have it show you weather <blkorpheus> thats different than the weather applet from gnome <blkorpheus> it still exists, and is now fixed as of today <blkorpheus> I should not have to click the time, calender, etc, just to see weather, nd thankfully, I don't have to now:) <blkorpheus> I like the change to the time/calender feature <blkorpheus> but please don't remove the weather applet <blkorpheus> sadly, its what pulled me to gnome to begin with <blkorpheus> lol <blkorpheus> kweather was a joke by comparison <superm1> haha <superm1> well once you check/uncheck the box in the preferences, it shows up in your panel <superm1> that's all i ever needed from it <superm1> the temperature <superm1> anything else i can look out the window and see <blkorpheus> lol <superm1> OpenMedia, never got to ask you, did you end up switching? <OpenMedia> To Mythbuntu? <OpenMedia> Lab box is running it, but we have big issues with supporting DTT in NZ before we can release. <OpenMedia> Likely to release on Hardy. <OpenMedia> superm1: Hows things? I'm at LCA in Melbourne this week <superm1> OpenMedia, pretty well right now <superm1> i've just finished moving to TX myself <superm1> what's LCA? <tritium> superm1: you did? You're only one state away now... <OpenMedia> Linux.Conf.AU <superm1> tritium, where are you at? <tritium> superm1: NM <superm1> ah <OpenMedia> I had a speaker slot. <superm1> neat, what about? <OpenMedia> Currently in Keith Packards Talk on X changes <OpenMedia> I talked on developing products for Consumers. <superm1> pretty broad topic <superm1> go well? <OpenMedia> http://linux.conf.au/programme/wednesday <OpenMedia> See session 5 <OpenMedia> Yeah went down well. <OpenMedia> You can grab an OGG. <OpenMedia> Take a look at the Wednesday keynote as well <superm1> how was attendance? I would imagine with competing to X acceleration that finally works was rough :) <OpenMedia> There are 700 people at the conference. I got about 70-80 <OpenMedia> possibly a bit more. <OpenMedia> My miniconf session on Tuesday was about 140 in the same room <OpenMedia> superm1: I take it that Hardy is keeping you busy <superm1> yeah about what i would expect for attendance i suppose. <superm1> OpenMedia, oh yeah it has <superm1> i was finishing up my last term at the end of last year, so a lot was on hold <OpenMedia> I was more than happy with my numbers. <superm1> from now before I start my job i've been doing Ubuntu stuff non stop <tritium> superm1: were you in Iowa? <superm1> tritium, yeah I was <tritium> But you were from the Chicago area, right? <OpenMedia> So have you started at Dell? <superm1> yeah <superm1> tritium, ^ <tritium> Oh, Dell? <superm1> OpenMedia, i don't start until the start of next month <tritium> Sweet, superm1. Will you hook up the NM LoCo with an official tour if you can? :D <superm1> tritium, maybe some discounts, i dont know about a tour though :) <tritium> superm1: thanks :) <superm1> we can come up with some sort of deal, patches for discounts..... <superm1> hehe <tritium> Nice! I definitely intend to order a laptop once they offer preinstalls with 8.04 on them. <blkorpheus> one problem with myth <blkorpheus> I have no time to watch all the sheet I record <tritium> superm1: maybe you can make sure the TV tuners Dell uses in their laptops (and desktops) work with mythtv ;) <superm1> tritium, well i'll see what influence I have within the company, but you can believe that will be something on my mind either way <tritium> I'm glad to hear it. Congratulations on your job! <superm1> thx :) <superm1> OpenMedia, you coming to ULive again this year? <superm1> haha blkorpheus yeah i know that feeling <blkorpheus> :) <OpenMedia> superm1: Only if I get a speaker johncrosby@example.net. <superm1> OpenMedia, ah yeah. i'm not sure yet this year for myself either <superm1> did you submit any proposals? <superm1> OpenMedia, ah its a little lengthy, i'll have to watch this sometime tomorrow <OpenMedia> I just need to hit send. I had problems with my login, and I wanted to see how well they went here this week. <superm1> OpenMedia, as for hardy though, i just switched everything over to trunk yesterday <superm1> they are freezing upstream in preparation for 0.21 by the end of the week <superm1> so things will be happening all together very shortly <OpenMedia> Gotta go.. Session change coming up. <superm1> okay cu <mythtv_> hi when my setup launches the application bar of X stays on top , how can i fix this ? <mythtv_> hello? <mythtv_> must be sleepy for most part of the channel <blkorpheus> most channels you just ask your question <blkorpheus> geez * blkorpheus "hello?", wait 2mins and leave..ppl baffle me <galileo> I may be in the wrong room, so feel free to point me in another direction. I need some assistance setting up my tuner card. <martymoose> msg /motd <Guest18265> hello. <tom___> is anyone here? <baal> i have installed myhtbuntu but cant seem to get mythweb is there something i need to do to enable it <laga> is it installed? <laga> how do you want to access it? <baal> lags via a browser is the norm <laga> well <laga> and what do you type in your browser? <baal> laga the ip of the machine <laga> and what do you get? <baal> just an apache defaut page <stowaway2> hey whats a file browser in mythubuntu <stowaway2> ? <laga> baal: try <ip>/mythweb <baal> notfound <laga> baal: did you replace <ip> with the actual IP address? <baal> yes of cource <laga> then mythweb is not installed or not enabled properly <baal> is there a way to reinstall the mythweb <laga> sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythweb <laga> to reconfigure <baal> it says "mythweb is broken or not fully installed" <baal> how do i reinstall that package ? <laga> sudo aptitude reinstall mythweb <laga> probably <baal> ok great mythweb seems to be working but has errors <baal> Error at /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/includes/init.php, line 301: <baal> unlink(data/cache/9.png) [function.unlink]: Operation not permitted <baal> any idea what that means ? <baal> ok thats my fault i havent reset the user and group on the images <baal> maybe not <baal> its talking about the channel icons but I cant find any directory structure like its having issues with <baal> theres no data/cache/9.png <laga> i'd suggest you purge mythweb, remove anything else that's left including your modifications and reinstall. <laga> mythweb, that is. <baal> i might just reboot see if this cache issue can fix it self <baal> thanks for the help laga much aprecieated ! <laga> :) <kiwi_uk> Hi all, I'm having trouble finding out how to enable MPEG 2 encoding for Live TV <kiwi_uk> Myth only has options for RTjpeg and MPEG-4 <laga> there's no such thing unless you use DVB/hardware encoder cards <kiwi_uk> Oh :( <kiwi_uk> Well, thanks for answering :) <kiwi_uk> I'm trying to use a MediaMVP as my front end and it only plays MPEG or MPEG2 you see <laga> a mediamvp with the original software? <Shred00> i'm wondering why ubuntu-mythtv-frontend needs gdm <Shred00> also, wondering what level of lirc support is in mythbuntu currrently? can the frontend be stopped/started from the remote (i.e. irexec) <Shred00> i'm trying to decide if i want to "upgrade" my ubuntu custom rolled fe/be to a mythbuntu (proper) system and ubuntu-mythtv-frontend seems to want to add a lot to what is already a working installation for me. <Shred00> gnome-screensaver... why do i need/want that too? <rhpot1991_laptop> ubuntu-mythtv-frontend does automagic logins and stuff, which is why it requires gdm IIRC <rhpot1991_laptop> the rest of those are prob gdm requirements <Shred00> oh my, it seems mythbuntu uses a window manager (openbox) too. why is a window manager necessary? mythfrontend is a single X application. there are no windows that need managing. <laga> not true <Shred00> why go through gdm though? just start X and start mythfrontend on it <Shred00> laga: what's not true? <laga> you'll quickly run into focus issues if you use mplayer or xine <laga> w/o a window manager, that is <laga> might even happen with po-ups <laga> pop-ups* <laga> and we use gdm so the user can swith between different sessions, eg mythtv and gnome <laga> ubuntu-mythtv-frontend is deprecated in mythbuntu and not used, FYI <Shred00> why would i use mplayer or xine? <Shred00> as for popups, i've been running a windowless mythfrontend since 0.18 and not had any popup focus issues. i even ran mplayer with mythvideo before the internal player was supported with no window manager and never had focus issues <laga> Shred00: you're lucky then <laga> anyways. <rhpot1991_laptop> laga its still used if you built on top of an existing ubuntu system I think <rhpot1991_laptop> well I still use it at least <laga> i dont know why you would use mplayer or xine :) <laga> rhpot1991_laptop: i use it, too <Shred00> different sessions? this is a standalone pvr! why would i want to switch anything? <rhpot1991_laptop> xine works good for dvd/iso playback with menus <laga> Shred00: dude. <Shred00> maybe i should start from a different pov. <laga> Shred00: if you don't like the way we do things and if your current setup is working fine, then don't use mythbuntu <laga> not everyone has your exact needs and setup <Shred00> what meta package(s) should i install on a dedicated standalone FE/BE machine to make it a bona fide mythbuntu system? <Daviey> Many people have had focus issues, hence our current design <laga> people might want to use mplayer or xine for exotic formats <laga> Shred00: mythbuntu-desktop <laga> Shred00: that'll give you even more dependencies <Shred00> laga: sorry, don't mean to bash. trying to be constructive. apologies for not coming across that way. <laga> Shred00: you're right about gdm, though, it slows down booting by a few seconds. shouldn't be too much <laga> Shred00: yeah, sorry, i'm being a bit on the edge today <laga> Shred00: ubuntu-mythtv-frontend is the old way of doing thing. openbox is a minimal window manager and shouldn't hurt. <Shred00> mythbuntu-desktop? is that really for a standalone pvr? the name hints that it's a for a login-to-a-desktop-and-also-use-mythfrontend type of set up. <laga> Shred00: mythbuntu-desktop is a meta package that will pull in gdm and our configuration app, mythbuntu-desktop <Shred00> i don't see mythbuntu-desktop in the Packages file <laga> Shred00: are you running gutsy? <Shred00> for gutsy anyway <Shred00> http://uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/binary-i386/Packages <laga> Shred00: it's in universe or multiverse <laga> oh. <laga> those builds <laga> yes, it's in the multiverse or universe section of the main mirrors <Shred00> ahh. is in my apt cache though <Shred00> ahhh. got it. <laga> Shred00: maybe you want to go to www.mythbuntu.org and look at some screenshots. that'll clarify what mythbuntu-desktop is going to give you <laga> eg a light-weight xfce desktop and mythbuntu-control-centre. <Daviey> It used to be an even lighter vm, but demand wanted xfce <laga> makes things easier even for hardcore mythtv users. unless you need total control, but there have to be trade-offs when doing a ready-made mythtv distro <laga> Daviey: i don't mind xfce that much <laga> it justs means i won't upgrade my frontends which are low on memory <Shred00> i wonder if the use of a WM can be made easily optional <Daviey> Shred00: do you use framebuffer with myth? <Shred00> Daviey: no, X on an nvidia 5200. i'd love to use a direct framebuffer and kick X but myth just don't do that <Daviey> it _can_ do that <laga> Shred00: not with mythbuntu-desktop. ubuntu-mythtv-frontend: maybe. <Shred00> i used to do that with directfb and that other pvr project <laga> freevo <laga> :) <Shred00> yeah <Shred00> how can you get myth on a framebuffer? <laga> directfb <Daviey> Shred00: spend a weekend getting directfb to work <laga> you'll have to build it yourself. <Shred00> 'cause really, X is waaaaay overkill for a set-top-box <laga> Daviey: i spent two weeks <Daviey> heh * laga does not recommend mythtv with directfb. <Shred00> and what toolkits sit between myth and the framebuffer? <laga> directfb and qt embedded. <Shred00> afaik qt doesn't support directfb <Shred00> ahhh. embedded <Shred00> i tried that when i came over from freevo <Shred00> was a lot of pain back then. around myth 0.18 days iirc <Shred00> i have a g400 which directfb has amazing support for <Shred00> the tv-out is impeccable. <Shred00> supports real interlace, unlike the nvidia 5200 <laga> got one, too. <laga> tv-out is awesome, even over composite <Shred00> laga: indeed. did you build .debs or did you do a much of make installs? <laga> it was three years ago. i don't use it anymore <laga> never got it working right <Shred00> oh. lol. i thought you were talking about a recent, good, experience <laga> the directfb code is mostly unmaintained, too <laga> no <laga> mplayer worked well :) <Shred00> really? it was pretty well maintained a few years ago when i was using it. <laga> in mythtv? <Shred00> laga: no, with freevo <Shred00> oh. i misuderstood <laga> never tried it with freevo :) <laga> heh <Shred00> you mean the myth directfb code <laga> yes <Shred00> i thought you meant directfb itself <Shred00> i'd love to see a more lightweight meta package that dispenses with gdm and gnome-screensaver, powers mythfrontend from the power button on the remote and boots directly to a running mythfrontend. <Shred00> i suppose even better would be to make the use of a WM and gdm optional in mcc. <laga> gdm: maybe <laga> WM: not gonna happen <laga> at least i won't do it <laga> gnome-screensaver is kinda important, too. <Shred00> perhaps even make the option of a WM "hidden" in that it is (de-)selected automatically based on whether mplayer or xine (or any other applications) are being configured <Shred00> why is g-s important? <laga> burn-in on plasmas etc. we patched mythtv to support gnome-screensaver instead of xscreensaver. <laga> WM: it's not gonna happen. mythbuntu uses a complete desktop environment which won't work without a WM <Shred00> interestingly though, my FE machine actually "blacks" out after inactivity which of course saves the screen. <Daviey> Shred00: I really don't think mythbuntu is suitable for you <laga> mythbuntu is not a set top box :) <Shred00> Daviey: why not? all i want is a "no-frills" ubuntu myth machine <Shred00> the mcc is nice. <Daviey> Shred00: you seem unhappy with every aspect so far :) <Shred00> what makes mythbuntu so well poised to be a no-frills installation is that doing less is a lot easier than doing more. :-) <laga> because mythbuntu is not a "no-frills" ubuntu mythtv machine <laga> Shred00: you want to remove gnome-screensaver and the WM. those are pretty essential to a mythbuntu box <Shred00> laga: i agree completely with you on g-s iff X didn't have it's own built-in "don't burn the screen" mode which seems to work just fine. and really, in the case where you run no other apps but the mythfrontend, i don't see why a WM is necessary. <Shred00> i'm just trying to reduce bloat a bit for lower end systems. i run myth on an athlon 800, and that's a recent upgrade from the PIII i used to run it on. sadly it has 512MB in it. that's overkill for what should be an STB. <laga> um <laga> ok <laga> let's try it again. <laga> mythbuntu is not a STB. <laga> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Window_Managers <Shred00> laga: yeah <laga> Shred00: you obviously want a STB <laga> Shred00: mythbuntu is not a STB <laga> can you see a pattern there? :) <laga> mythbuntu implies: desktop environment. no DE without a WM. <Shred00> why does mythbuntu imply desktop? <laga> Shred00: ubuntu-mythtv-frontend could be tailored to your needs. <laga> Shred00: because we did it that way. <Shred00> regarding the myth wiki Window_Managers link you sent... the first paragraph says it all <laga> sigh. <laga> i give up <laga> you refuse to understand <Shred00> wow. that was mature. <Shred00> i'm simply trying to expand the functionality of mythbuntu <Shred00> i don't refuse to understand what laga was saying. i'm simply trying to expand on what mythbuntu has been so far. <rhpot1991_laptop> mythbuntu is meant for people who want to throw a cd in their computer install and have a working mythtv box without needing to configure everything by hand, you should just do it yourself if you want it that customized <Shred00> rhpot1991_laptop: i agree exactly with your first statement. nothing about that statement implies that you need gdm, gnome-screensaver, a window manager, etc. <Shred00> what laga describes sounds more like it's meant for people who want a mythtv box with all sort of other "desktop switching" stuff too. <rhpot1991_laptop> its what users want, has developed into that over time <rhpot1991_laptop> a bit late to go back and change all that now <Shred00> more like what i have in the bedroom than the living room. bedroom is a desktop pc with e-mail, browsing, etc. and is also a myth FE. living room is a FE only <rhpot1991_laptop> if it was your way then it would be a pain for me to go and use xine or mplayer for my movies <Shred00> rhpot1991_laptop: ahhh. but i don't think there is any need to "go back" and undo anything. nothing that has be done so far precludes the "dedicated FE" type set up <Shred00> rhpot1991_laptop: indeed, i'm not looking to make that any more difficult. i just want to reduce the bloat for those who don't want any of that. <Shred00> if users want to switch to a desktop, i don't want to prevent that, nor do i want to prevent using xine or mplayer. i just want them all to be choices and the required extra bloat needed to support them only added if they make those choices. <rhpot1991_laptop> thats beyond most users, so its easier for you to just go and do that for your box on your own <Shred00> clicking checkboxes is beyond most users? you must have had to choose to use xine or mplayer didn't you? <rhpot1991_laptop> well its meant for an average user, so its a lot easier to have it ready to add xine to than have to instruct them as to how to do so in a more complicated process at a later point <rhpot1991_laptop> I don't understand why you don't just go make your setup how you want it, instead of complaining how mythbuntu does it in here? <Shred00> ahhh. perhaps that's where the confusion is coming from. i think what i propose is more behind the scenes stuff <Shred00> i don't think the user should have to choose whether to use a wm or gdm, etc. the users choices to use xine or mplayer or have a switchable desktop, etc. should make those choices for them. <Shred00> sure, i could just make some changes, but i'm trying to contribute. i am sure i'm not the first person to want a strictly-stb type of ubuntu based mythbox and probably won't be the last. i'm just trying to make it easier for the next guy. <rhpot1991_laptop> the problem with that methodology is its a lot harder for them to add xine support at a later point to their system <rhpot1991_laptop> if someone shows up in here and says "my dvd menus don't work" <rhpot1991_laptop> I am gonna point them at a wiki for how to setup xine in mythvideo <rhpot1991_laptop> with your method then I have to get them a working WM first, or some other way of controlling xine properly <rhpot1991_laptop> its really a case of supply and demand, what you want has a lower demand, so you get a WM if you use mythbuntu <Shred00> ahhh. i would see a choice to use xine as an mcc thing, that then configured a wm for them as well as configuring myth to use xine. <jawil> any reason why I can't download the Mythbuntu iso or the torrent from the website? <superm1> jawil, of 7.10? <superm1> not working? <jawil> yeah <superm1> that's not good. <jawil> none of the links of the downloads page work for me <superm1> try a second time and you should be given another mirror <superm1> do you know which one wasn't working? <superm1> yeah works for me (tm) <jawil> I get to here: http://mythbuntu.org/download/?file=mythbuntu-7.10-i386.iso and nothing happens, blank page... <superm1> turn off adblock plus if you've got it on <superm1> it may filter the javascript <jawil> there we go <jawil> NoScript was the problem <superm1> maybe a warning is appropriate on that page <superm1> i'll add one in <jawil> for some reason google-analytics.com is necessary... <superm1> yes <superm1> we need to track bandwidth usage on the mirrors <jawil> because mythbuntu.org was already allowed <jawil> oh, ok gotchya <superm1> that's how we do our load balancing <jawil> I'm a security freak, so don't like tracking ;) <jawil> but that makes sense <superm1> there we go added a warning <MythbuntuGuest93> Hi, I just got an HD Cable box and I was wondering how to configure the firewire to record the content off of the box. <MythbuntuGuest93> is the info in the manual? <jawil> looks good <superm1> there's a howto on help.ubuntu.com <superm1> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Firewire?highlight=%28firewire%29 <MythbuntuGuest93> thanks superm1, i'll take a read. Is there anyway to tell if your firewire port is disabled before you configure everything? <superm1> yeah but it depends on the cable box <superm1> most motorola ones you can hit the power button (to turn it off ), followed by select/ok <superm1> on the remote <superm1> and then its in one of the menus that show up <MythbuntuGuest93> i have comcast with a motorola DCH 3200 <superm1> other cable boxes you'll have to Google <MythbuntuGuest93> the online documentation is only for the Motorola DCT-62xx and Scientific Atlanta SA3250HD/SA4200HD <MythbuntuGuest93> can i use the same information for the DCH 3200? <superm1> most likely yeah <MythbuntuGuest93> ok, sweet, thanks for the info. <jawil> damn, I'm going to have to use ndiswrapper for my wireless card, how depressing <superm1> well at least functional though <jawil> true <MythbuntuGuest93> superm1; right now i have a SD lineup that I use with my pvr-500 connection. Should i make a new lineup, that has all the channels for the STB? or should i just add it to the existing old one? <superm1> MythbuntuGuest93, before doing anything with a line up, see if it works <superm1> just set it to "no lineup" <superm1> you will eventually need another one though <MythbuntuGuest93> k. thanks <MythbuntuGuest64> hello i want to know how shutdown the pc with the remote control <Shred00> MythbuntuGuest64: the whole PC or the mythfrontend? <superm1> autogen <superm1> oops my bad, wrong window <superm1> MythbuntuGuest64, there is a thread on the forums that talks about it i believe <MythbuntuGuest64> in with forum? <MythbuntuGuest64> where is the dorum? i mean <superm1> see /t <superm1> mythbuntu.org/support has a link to the forums <Daviey> MythbuntuGuest64: Use the thread for guidance, otherwise you'll need to SUID "halt" (ie, allow any user to exec a command root normally needs to execute), then have lirc execute halt <MythbuntuGuest64> ok thanks i search fr it <Shred00> MythbuntuGuest64: the tool you want is irexec. i'd be interested in seeing how/if mythbuntu use it <superm1> Shred00, there is nothing that we have automated for it, but some users have written a howto <Shred00> superm1: ahhh. i'd like to see irexec used in mythbunutu, and perhaps configurable to either restart the whole machine or mythfrontend <Shred00> i use it for the latter quite successfully, but i don't have the whole mythbuntu desktop stuff on my FE <Shred00> i launch X and then put mythfrontend directly on top of that. nothing else. <superm1> well our scripts do check for irexec in lircrc <superm1> if it is mentioned in there, irexec -d gets started <superm1> so it would just be a matter of properly adding support to mythbuntu lirc generator <superm1> which can be feasibly done <Shred00> so irexec just calls a script that checks if mythfrontend is running and stops it if it is and starts it if it's not <superm1> well what irexec does is configured in your lircrc <Shred00> superm1: which package does the script that does that checking live in? <superm1> but to at least start the daemon is automatically done <Shred00> i'd like to inherit that start daemon from mythbuntu <superm1> mythbuntu-default-settings <Shred00> superm1: thanx! <superm1> Shred00, if you have any improvements to it, i'm very open to patches <superm1> just let me know <Shred00> ugh. depends on xfce4-utils <superm1> its the xfce4 session startup script <superm1> *we use xfce4 for a balance with usability to people and lightweight) <Shred00> yeah, this goes back to the earlier discussion of wm or no-wm <superm1> ah. <superm1> ubuntu-mythtv-frontend (the even more lightweight and less usable route) has a similar way of starting irexec <Shred00> (without having looked at the mythbuntu-default-settings package) would you be open to separating out the lirc bits and depending on a new package? i don't think ubuntu-proper's lirc package(s) have irexec support <Shred00> i understand ubuntu-mythtv-frontend is deprecated <superm1> yeah <superm1> the lirc packages are where irexec comes from <superm1> this is just a way of starting it for the user at login <Shred00> do you repackage the lirc packages in any way or use them from ubuntu as is? <superm1> the same packages are used for both <superm1> i've improved the lirc packages in the interest of ubuntu and mythbuntu <Daviey> Which is the ethos of the mythbuntu project :) <Shred00> nice. <Shred00> i do see that the lirc startup script does start irexec <Shred00> yes, i like that goal <Cygnet> I just moved, and now I'm only getting static on my mythtv box (cable is on and working, and I had the mythtv box working in a different apartment in the same building) <Cygnet> I've tried switching out the coax cable I'm using, and restarting mythtv <LT_Tuvok> Possible that wall outlet is damaged <Cygnet> I have a TV and a cable modem plugged into the same outlet (with splitters) and they both work <LT_Tuvok> splitters degrade the signal, perhaps try another outlet? <LT_Tuvok> depends how many times its split of course <Cygnet> we only have the one cable jack, unfortunately <Cygnet> I'll try plugging it in directly to the jack and see if that works <Cygnet> that will take me offline, so brb :p <LT_Tuvok> I await the results <LT_Tuvok> understood <Cygnet> no joy, I get noisy static instead of silent static :p <Cygnet> (well, I guess that would be partial joy) <Shred00> Cygnet: have you tried simply moving the coax cable from your mythbox to a tv to "see" for yourself what the tuner in the mythbox is seeing? <Cygnet> I did try switching the cables for the TV and the mythbox to see if the cable was bad, but I'll try switching the cable again <Shred00> Cygnet: no, i don't mean swapping cables. i mean taking the connection off the tuner and moving it to the tv. so that the tv is exactly where the myth tuner was in the cable equation <Cygnet> I just did that <Shred00> did the tv see snow? <Cygnet> I had only been looking at the one channel on the TV, I just tried channel surfing and got a whole lot of nothing <Cygnet> so looks like the problem is with the cable <Shred00> or jack, or anything downstream from the tv <Cygnet> I'm going to try plugging the tv in directly to the wall, I might go offline <Cygnet> TV still gets nothing <Cygnet> we just moved in and we had trouble getting the (cable) internet turned on, so we may be having problems with the cable TV too :p <Cygnet> well, I'm off -- thanks for your help, guys. <LT_Tuvok> illogical <astyler> how would I unstinstall mythtv? <astyler> sudo apt-get remove mythtv did something, but I can still run mythtv <LT_Tuvok> RTDP <LT_Tuvok> Read the documentation please <LT_Tuvok> there have been hard work to comppile documentation, that some don't bother to read <LT_Tuvok> most curious <LT_Tuvok> more than likely a FAQ <LT_Tuvok> but at the elast, you should know how to install and remove software <superm1> astyler, apt-get remove mythtv-* <superm1> will take it all out <astyler> thanks superm1 <astyler> couldn't find anything in the documentation <stowaway2> hello.. I dont suppose there is some sort of device manager program i can install for ubuntu ? <Stowaway> cant seem to get my damn dvico dvb tuner to work <superm1> best to check dmesg and see if its just missing firmware <superm1> or if there are any drivers loading for it whatsoever #ubuntu-mythtv 2008-02-02 <Stowaway> is there a filemanger in mythbuntu? <superm1> Thunar <Stowaway> cheers <stowaway2> hello. im still trying to get my divco dvb tuner to work.. I THINK its firmware/drivers are install properly, coz /dev/dvb is populated by adapter0 and also i get this : <stowaway2> michael@mediacentre:/dev/dvb$ dmesg | grep dvb <stowaway2> [ 31.481237] cx88/2: cx2388x dvb driver version 0.0.6 loaded <stowaway2> [ 31.481241] cx88/2: registering cx8802 driver, type: dvb access: shared <stowaway2> but it cant bind in kaffine player. and cant open card in myth tv :( <superm1> look at more of dmesg <superm1> can you pastebin the whole thing <superm1> it will talk about the firmware in there <Daviey> superm1: i told stowaway about Thunar hours ago in #mythtv-users <Daviey> :S <superm1> Daviey, you hide in that bullpit? <Daviey> :O <Daviey> superm1: where else on freenode can you go to bully noobs. <superm1> #ubuntu? <Daviey> heh <foxbuntu> #noobs? <Daviey> And on that note, i should go to bed. Catch you tommorrow chaps <superm1> night <skippy> I'm having a devil of a time getting my Mac Mini remote to work with Mythbuntu. <superm1> you need to see the right /dev/input/eventX device <superm1> in lircd.conf <superm1> that's not automatic unfortunatley <superm1> unfortunately even <skippy> it's /dev/input/event1 currently. `irw` never shows anything; but irrecord was able to create a conf file. <skippy> If I try to map a key using the Myth key editor, it always tells me "unknown key" <superm1> there is a conf out there already <superm1> in /usr/share/lirc <superm1> for apple remotes <superm1> try using that one <superm1> copy it your /etc/lirc/lircd.conf <superm1> restart lirc <superm1> and try irw <skippy> no joy. :( <superm1> and you are using the right driver? <Cygnet> evening everyone, I've got the cable problem sorted <skippy> superm1, macmini <skippy> DRIVER="macmini" <skippy> DEVICE="/dev/input/event1" <superm1> yeah that sounds right <Cygnet> now I've got another problem where TV listings keep getting the channels mixed up (e.g. it shows a Mythbusters marathon on channel 48 which is the Discovery Channel in Chicago, but here it's 55) <skippy> superm1, i can `sudo cat /dev/input/event1` and see stuff when I press the remote buttons. <skippy> but lircd doesn't seem to be seeing them. <superm1> Cygnet, sounds like you grabbed the wrong channel line up <superm1> in some areas of chicagoland there are like 4 or 5 lineups available to each area <Cygnet> I moved from Chicagoland to the Twin Cities <superm1> eg where i came from, i got lake zurich, arlington heights, highland park, and vernon hills line ups <Cygnet> it's still showing Chicago stuff in the lineups though <superm1> go and delete all the channels and refetch the channel listing <superm1> or even better delete the video source <superm1> and create a new one <Cygnet> I switched the lineup in schedulesdirect and in the settings to twin cities and refetched all the channels <Cygnet> will making a new video source make it start from scratch on the channel lineups? <Cygnet> I may try that <superm1> yeah just delete all the channels first <superm1> and that should work out right <Cygnet> all right <superm1> what was with the static earlier? <Cygnet> it was a problem with our cable subscription <Cygnet> we had full basic cable before (by accident, actually) and when we moved we started getting only the 20 or so channels that we were paying for :p <superm1> ah <Cygnet> hooray, I've got the new video source set up and refetched the channels and now all the shows are on the right channels <squish102> anyone use a dlink dsm-320 here as a frontend? <darkfrog> Hey guys, I'm having really painful issues with lirc. :o If I do "ln -s /dev/lirc0 /dev/lirc" and then run it as root lircd works, but even after that if I try to run as a normal user I get: lircd: can't open or create /var/run/lircd.pid, can someone help me figure out why? <darkfrog> if I try to run the "lirc" service it starts, but then crashes when I run irw and outputs to the syslog: Feb 1 20:07:23 myth lircd-0.8.2[6404]: couldn't find a compatible USB device <darkfrog> anyone actually away here? ;) <superm1> dont do that <superm1> with the symlinks <superm1> you want things to startup via the init script <darkfrog> superm1, but it refuses to... <darkfrog> superm1, not sure what else I can do <superm1> well then you have something configured wrong somewhere <superm1> did you mis-list your modules in hardware.conf? <darkfrog> superm1, could be... <superm1> well pastebin your hardware.conf <darkfrog> superm1, I have an ATI Remote Wonder II <superm1> yeah seems some people have had trouble with those in gutsy <darkfrog> superm1, should I be running with userspace or kernel driver? <superm1> that's up to you <superm1> people have mixed luck <darkfrog> superm1, what reasons should I choose one over another? <superm1> different responsiveness i'd guess <superm1> i dont have one of these remotes myself <superm1> so i haven't compared <darkfrog> http://pastebin.com/m5dc26b29 <superm1> okay so when you are using the userspace driver, you shouldnt be having any /dev/lirc0 <superm1> so the fact that you are forcing LIRCD_ARGS <superm1> is throwing it <superm1> those are automatically populated by the init script when necessary <darkfrog> so comment out the DEVICE line? <darkfrog> or comment out LIRCD_ARGS? <superm1> comment out LIRCD_ARGS <superm1> and also you should have no lirc modules loaded right now <superm1> make sure that none are <superm1> if you have a /dev/lirc0, something is loaded <darkfrog> There is a /dev/lirc0 and a /dev/lircd <superm1> well unload any lirc_* modules then <darkfrog> how? <superm1> lsmod | grep lirc <superm1> to find out which are loaded <superm1> and then sudo rmmod MODULE <superm1> to unload one <darkfrog> unloaded lirc_atiusb and lirc_dev...assuming I shouldn't unload usbcore. :o <darkfrog> what now? <superm1> try to restart the init script <superm1> sudo /etc/init.d/lirc restart <darkfrog> done <darkfrog> stopped lircmd lircd, started lircd <superm1> so see if its still running <superm1> and then try irw <darkfrog> ps -e | grep lirc found lircd <darkfrog> I invoke irw and it immediately returns <darkfrog> syslog says: Feb 1 20:41:45 myth lircd-0.8.2[6448]: couldn't find a compatible USB device <superm1> check if you have any other ati modules loaded <superm1> if not, switch to the kernel module driver in mcc <darkfrog> ati_remote2 is loaded <superm1> take that out <darkfrog> done <superm1> restart lirc and try again <darkfrog> k <darkfrog> same <superm1> okay so switch to the kernel driver and try it with that <superm1> mcc will handle the modifications to your hardare.conf for you <darkfrog> how do I do that? I had used the Mythbuntu Control Center previously <darkfrog> gotcha <superm1> yeah that's what mcc stands for <darkfrog> brb <darkfrog> now what? <superm1> well once you do that, check what modules are loaded again <superm1> and you should have the lirc_ ones <superm1> which is okay <superm1> so try irw <darkfrog> I rebooted...is that alright? <superm1> well not necessarily <superm1> check and see if that atiremote2 one came back <superm1> if it did that will need to be blacklisted (and where the trouble from the start likely was) <darkfrog> I have ati_remote2, lirc_atiusb, and lirc_dev <superm1> unload them all <superm1> and then restart lirc with the init script <superm1> lirc_atiusb should get loaded again <darkfrog> it says lirc_atiusb is in use <darkfrog> okay, now lirc_atiusb and lirc_dev came back up <darkfrog> irw? <darkfrog> I run irw but no information is feeding to the screen from my remote <superm1> ywah <superm1> but irw didn't die <darkfrog> no <superm1> okay well that's a good sign <superm1> dmesg look nice too now? <darkfrog> originally though if I were to create a symbolic link to /dev/lirc and run lircd as root irw would work and actually output stuff... <superm1> okay, lets see the new hardware.conf then <superm1> see if anything else stands out in it <darkfrog> http://pastebin.com/m116f2041 <superm1> okay that looks correct <superm1> lircd should be running as root right now <superm1> if you check the process listing <superm1> can you see the command that it was launched with right now? <darkfrog> how do I get the extra info in ps? <superm1> i usually do something like <superm1> ps aux | grep lirc <darkfrog> I get back: root 6374 0.0 0.0 15928 696 ? Ss 20:49 0:00 /usr/sbin/lircd --device=/dev/lirc0 <superm1> yeah so running as root <superm1> and pointing to the device file /dev/lirc0 <darkfrog> there is a /dev/lirc0 now <superm1> okay perhaps can you sudo cat /dev/lirc0 <superm1> and press some buttons <superm1> and see if you get output in the terminal? <darkfrog> cat: /dev/lirc0: Invalid argument <superm1> what's dmesg say about anything lirc'y <darkfrog> http://pastebin.com/m3f1cc2b2 <superm1> well that all looks right <superm1> try to irrecord <darkfrog> irrecord: could not get file information for /dev/lirc <darkfrog> irrecord: default_init(): No such file or directory <darkfrog> irrecord: could not init hardware (lircd running ? --> close it, check permissions) <darkfrog> oops...sorry <superm1> irrecord -d /dev/lirc0 <superm1> you'll need to do <superm1> the default device is not /dev/lirc0 <darkfrog> that seems to have worked... <darkfrog> I had to run irrecord as root though <superm1> okay well this being the case, bad lircd.conf possibly? <darkfrog> I have a backup from a working one I had before. <darkfrog> you were right <darkfrog> I swapped out and it works now <superm1> okay so blacklist that atiremote2 module <superm1> file a bug against lirc <superm1> saying that module needs to be blacklisted <superm1> lirc in ubuntu that is <superm1> make sure you indicate that you are using gutsy <superm1> also post your two lircd.conf's <superm1> the functional one and non functional one <superm1> so those can get sorted out too <darkfrog> superm1, /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist - add "blacklist ati_remote2"? <superm1> that sounds right, but i don't remember offhand <darkfrog> superm1, I created the lircd.conf file that worked...I used irrecord <darkfrog> good thing I kept it. :) <superm1> that's interesting that you had to though <darkfrog> indeed <superm1> the lircd.conf that is included came from upstream <superm1> so it should have been okay <darkfrog> so everything should work when I reboot? <superm1> well you tell me :) <darkfrog> trying now. :) <darkfrog> In comparison to Mythdora, I love Mythbuntu, but there's still a LONG way it has to go. <superm1> darkfrog, well please file bugs with anything you catch <superm1> too many people go on the forums, say something doesn't work, and it gets lost :) <darkfrog> aha! <darkfrog> it works. :) <superm1> wonderful <superm1> if you can, at some point before hardy gets released, around beta/rc time - can you test again with hardy? <superm1> its good to have people with test hardware to verify these sorts of things <darkfrog> Thanks so much...you saved me a lot of headache and some frustrating glances from my wife. :-p <darkfrog> Test with Mythbuntu hardy? <superm1> yes <superm1> in about a month or two <superm1> you should be able to check just off the live disk then <superm1> without needing to sacrafice your install <darkfrog> yeah, I can do that <superm1> sacrafice even <superm1> sacrifice <darkfrog> hehe <darkfrog> Well, I'm a programmer, so if you ever need anything programming-wise just let me know...I'd love to be able to repay the debt I owe you. ;) <superm1> darkfrog, what's your language of choice? <darkfrog> superm1, Java <darkfrog> superm1, I wrote this: http://jseamless.org <darkfrog> superm1, but I know MANY languages <superm1> neat <superm1> darkfrog, well we can definitely use help. the best thing will be to sit down at some point and look at our open blueprints <superm1> and see what appeals to you to write <superm1> or if you have any of your own ideas, we're very open <darkfrog> I do like the way the installation and MCC works, but the fact that it is designed as a normal application window is somewhat strange I think. <superm1> well eventually there will be an effort to convert it to libmythui <superm1> to have it part of mythfrontend <darkfrog> MythTV is designed with the idea in mind that it's likely running on a tv and certain assertions are made about how text should be displayed...normal applications don't make those assertions <superm1> but that's some time out <superm1> do agree with you there though <darkfrog> Also, adding functionality to a web-based mcc would be useful as well <superm1> its just that python code is like talking english. you can write an entire fully functional app in a few hours <superm1> whereas writing it in libmythui, that would be a bit more involved - since having to learn the API that libmythui is using, and a lot of C callbacks <superm1> for things that are already handled with nice libraries in python <darkfrog> yeah, but the problem with Python is that it has similarities to Perl (granted not as bad), but it's something of a "write-only" language. ;) <darkfrog> maintainability is difficult with complex python projects <superm1> yeah i've noticed that about mcc <superm1> and started to abstract it some more <superm1> so as to not break it by so easily <darkfrog> the biggest complaint I've had with Mythbuntu is the remote functionality...everything else has been moderately smooth for me. <darkfrog> Except I had to run the install through safe-mode <superm1> yeah that's a problem for some people, but not anything that we can directly handle here <superm1> more of an upstream xorg issue there <superm1> the remote stuff has changed significantly already for hardy <superm1> its possible i already resolved your issue, but i have done so much this cycle, i forget a lot of the code i've written :) <darkfrog> I noticed...I installed a few months ago and then rebuilt a CD for AMD64 and it was different, then I updated as soon as I installed and it was again different. :o <darkfrog> that was another thing <superm1> here's what the lirc pages are looking like in hardy: http://mythbuntu.org/image/tid/8 <darkfrog> when I first installed it let me choose "Other" (or something similar), but after updating that option was gone. <superm1> you're on gutsy still right? <darkfrog> That was an awesome feature...it let me explicitly choose each aspect <darkfrog> 7.10, yeah <superm1> okay good <superm1> yeah that other is back in hardy <superm1> as "Custom" <superm1> there was a lot of bugs with letting people customize stuff like that too much in ubiquity <superm1> which is why it was disabled for mcc <darkfrog> What would be great is a "Remote Wizard" that would take you through the process of either detecting or at least letting you try different remote drivers without having to do it manually. <superm1> well that, and a way to easily customize buttons via a gui <superm1> both specs, but more involved than initially expected :) <darkfrog> the wizard functionality would be involved, but I can't imagine it would be that complex <superm1> well actually again with hardy changes to lirc, it is a lot more feasible <darkfrog> it would be a life saver for people like me that were inches away from blowing it away and installing Fedora 8. :o <superm1> :) <darkfrog> seriously if you hadn't chimed in tonight I would probably be installing Fedora 8 right now <superm1> well how is the responsiveness with the kernel mode driver? <superm1> maybe just wiping the userspace one is an idea <superm1> to avoid the confusion <darkfrog> since I created my own lircd.conf the buttons don't work on MythTV, I'm going to write them by hand <darkfrog> so I can't really test yet <superm1> well - <darkfrog> I just wish I could use the built-in kernel module for my remote. <superm1> if you selected your button names to previously used names in the lircd.conf's <darkfrog> Most buttons work and I can even use it as a mouse...it just sucks that it doesn't capture several of the buttons. <superm1> the generate dynamic button mappings option <darkfrog> I didn't. :) <superm1> in mcc will generate lircrc's <superm1> oh nvm then :) <darkfrog> I planned to create a new one by handle anyway...too many buttons and I have very specific intentions for each one. :o <darkfrog> handle = hand <darkfrog> anyway...thanks again for your help. <darkfrog> I'm going to head to bed and probably work on writing out the control mappings in the morning. :) <superm1> okay great <superm1> night <ryansmith> I tried using the setup dialog for Mythbuntu and now Gnome's login manager won't boot. Does anyone know what's going on? <ryansmith> fireb0x <fireb0x> yiz0 <fireb0x> my gdm is t3h died <famicon> its cuz u is gay <fireb0x> :( <famicon> it h8s u <fireb0x> oh noez. i am epic fail <timrit> hello. i have installed mythbuntu and i can get everything working except i cannot figure out how to make the mythbackend start automatically. Can anyone please help. <timrit> If I manually start mythbackend the system works fine. I currently have it running in a screen session. <Newy11> hi guys was just woundering if anyone could help me, i installed mythbuntu but cant seem to detect my VisionPlus DVB-T card. i tried mythdora before and it found it automaticly but i would much rather use mythbuntu. any thoughts? <Newyboy> hey all <fatejudger> I just installed a PVR-350 and after configuring the backend, I can't seem to watch tv on the frontend <fatejudger> it just gives me a black screen, then times out <fatejudger> at which point it goes back to the main menu <fatejudger> any suggestions? <superm1> Newy11, take a look and see if its just missing firmware <superm1> dmesg will tell you a lot <Newy11> ok cheers for the reply ;) sorry im total noob when it comes to linux do i just type dmesg in a terminal? <superm1> Newy11, yeah <Newy11> ok done that but not sure what im looking for. sorry for being noob :P <superm1> if you can pastebin the contents of it <superm1> i can help you look through it <superm1> !pastebin <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) <Newy11> newy11@mythtv-server:/$ dmesg <Newy11> [ 0.000000] Linux version 2.6.22-14-generic (buildd@palmer) (gcc version 4.1.3 20070929 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.1.2-16ubuntu2)) #1 SMP Sun Oct 14 23:05:12 GMT 2007 (Ubuntu 2.6.22-14.46-generic) <Newy11> [ 0.000000] BIOS-provided physical RAM map: <Newy11> [ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 000000000009fc00 (usable) <Newy11> [ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: 000000000009fc00 - 00000000000a0000 (reserved) <Newy11> [ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: 00000000000e8000 - 0000000000100000 (reserved) <Newy11> [ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 000000003fff0000 (usable) <Newy11> [ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: 000000003fff0000 - 000000003fff8000 (ACPI data) <Newy11> [ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: 000000003fff8000 - 0000000040000000 (ACPI NVS) <Newy11> [ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: 00000000fec00000 - 00000000fec01000 (reserved) <Newy11> [ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: 00000000fee00000 - 00000000fee01000 (reserved) <Newy11> [ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: 00000000ffee0000 - 00000000fff00000 (reserved) <Newy11> [ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: 00000000fffc0000 - 0000000100000000 (reserved) <Newy11> [ 0.000000] 127MB HIGHMEM available. <Newy11> [ 0.000000] 896MB LOWMEM available. <Newy11> [ 0.000000] found SMP MP-table at 000fbc70 <Newy11> [ 0.000000] Entering add_active_range(0, 0, 262128) 0 entries of 256 used <Newy11> [ 0.000000] Zone PFN ranges: <Newy11> [ 0.000000] DMA 0 -> 4096 <Newy11> [ 0.000000] Normal 4096 -> 229376 <Newy11> [ 0.000000] HighMem 229376 -> 262128 <Newy11> [ 0.000000] early_node_map[1] active PFN ranges <Newy11> [ 0.000000] 0: 0 -> 262128 <Newy11> [ 0.000000] On node 0 totalpages: 262128 <Newy11> [ 0.000000] DMA zone: 32 pages used for memmap <Newy11> [ 0.000000] DMA zone: 0 pages reserved <Newy11> [ 0.000000] DMA zone: 4064 pages, LIFO batch:0 <Newy11> [ 0.000000] Normal zone: 1760 pages used for memmap <Newy11> [ 0.000000] Normal zone: 223520 pages, LIFO batch:31 <Newy11> [ 0.000000] HighMem zone: 255 pages used for memmap <Newy11> [ 0.000000] HighMem zone: 32497 pages, LIFO batch:7 <Newy11> [ 0.000000] DMI 2.3 present. <Newy11> [ 0.000000] ACPI: RSDP signature @ 0xC00FAA60 checksum 0 <Newy11> [ 0.000000] ACPI: RSDP 000FAA60, 0014 (r0 AMI ) <Newy11> [ 0.000000] ACPI: RSDT 3FFF0000, 002C (r1 AMIINT SiS740XX 1000 MSFT 100000B) <Newy11> [ 0.000000] ACPI: FACP 3FFF0030, 0081 (r1 AMIINT SiS740XX 11 MSFT 100000B) <Newy11> [ 0.000000] ACPI: DSDT 3FFF0120, 3300 (r1 SiS 746 100 MSFT 100000D) <Newy11> [ 0.000000] ACPI: FACS 3FFF8000, 0040 <Newy11> [ 0.000000] ACPI: APIC 3FFF00C0, 005A (r1 AMIINT SiS740XX 1000 MSFT 100000B) <Newy11> [ 0.000000] ACPI: PM-Timer IO Port: 0x808 <superm1> pastebin dude <Newy11> [ 0.000000] ACPI: Local APIC address 0xfee00000 <Newy11> [ 0.000000] ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x01] lapic_id[0x00] enabled) <Newy11> [ 0.000000] Processor #0 6:8 APIC version 16 <Newy11> [ 0.000000] ACPI: LAPIC_NMI (acpi_id[0x01] high edge lint[0x1]) <Newy11> [ 0.000000] ACPI: IOAPIC (id[0x02] address[0xfec00000] gsi_base[0]) <Newy11> [ 0.000000] IOAPIC[0]: apic_id 2, version 17, address 0xfec00000, GSI 0-23 <superm1> can you pastebin that instead of flooding?
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