#ubuntu-sugarteam 2010-02-03
<davidfarning> good morning ubuntulog
#ubuntu-sugarteam 2010-02-04
<satellit> davidfarning: No updates for daily ovf today?
<satellit> hope you are feeling better
#ubuntu-sugarteam 2010-02-09
<dogi> ping davidfarning
<davidfarning> dogi-- I just the the logs of the infrastructure meeting everything looks on track.
#ubuntu-sugarteam 2010-02-10
<satellit_> davidfarning:0208 .iso works on sun-vb still dl / import of "current.ovf" does not seem to work though ..... 08.ovf does (due to link?) still testing : ) hope you  are better
<davidfarning> satellit_ thanks,  feeling better:)  So the *08.ovf imports correctly but not the *current.ovf ..
<davidfarning> I guess that makes sense because I you look inside the .ovf with an editor it still points to  USR-i386-20100208.vmdk ....
<satellit_> davidfarning: ovf works and is up on neighborhood....  not the current version...
<satellit_> "current"
<satellit_> off for dinner.....
<davidfarning> satellit_ I'll write a sed script to fix that
<satellit> k
<satellit_> davidfarning: sugar-emulator window is too small/ have to hide top and bottom toolbar to see back and next buttons on staring sugar (name, color) using 800x600 on netbook
<satellit_> wish we had gdm so could switch to sugar full time....
<dogi> hi davidfarning
<davidfarning> dogi, hey
<satellit> davidfarning: I edited https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSugarRemix  to reflect DL file link changes
<jelkner> i just communicated with anurag
<jelkner> we would like to schedule weekly sugarlabs dc meetings here on tuesdays at 1:40 pm EST
<jelkner> how should we proceed?
<jelkner> it would be great if the meeting could show up as a Topic on login to the channel
<davidfarning> TOPIC test
<davidfarning> dogi, do you know how to set a topic for jelkner?
<davidfarning> I just used up _all_ of my irc foo :(
<dogi> #ubuntu-sugarteam :You're not channel operator
<dogi>  /msg chanserv op #ubuntu-sugarteam davidfarning
<davidfarning>  /msg chanserv op #ubuntu-sugarteam davidfarning
<dogi> you need to be op in this channel to write a topic
<dogi> without the first space
<jelkner> dogi, can we make it an automatically recurring meeting for tuesdays?
<jelkner> at 1:40 pm
<dogi> jelkner, i don t understand ... topic problem?
<dogi> or is this for howto use meeting bot
<davidfarning> dogi, should I contact morgs to get op authority in this channel?
<dogi> davidfarning, yes I think u should
<jelkner> dogi, both, i guess
<dogi> he should add u to the oplist there
<jelkner> i'm just hoping for two things:
<dogi> jelkner, ok
<davidfarning> dogi, ok thanks I ping him on email
<jelkner> 1. that we see the meeting on loggin the day of (and maybe day before?)
<jelkner> 2. that their is auto logging of the meeting
<jelkner> we requested auto logging of the channel in generatl
<jelkner> general
<dogi> jelkner, read this http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Dogi/meeting
<jelkner> once that is in place, 2 is taken care of
 * jelkner goes a readin
<dogi> #startmeeting
<meeting> Meeting started at 14:58 UTC. The chair is dogi.
<meeting> Commands Available: #TOPIC, #IDEA, #ACTION, #AGREED, #LINK
<dogi> #topic test
<dogi> #idea test
<dogi> #action test
<jelkner> does the meeting bot run on this channel?
<dogi> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SugarTeam
<dogi> jupp jelkner
<jelkner> cool
<jelkner> so i can chair the meeting by using #startmeeting at around 1:30, say
<dogi> #agreed to jelkner has to give a test meeting :)
<dogi> #action jelkner test meeting
<dogi> ok?
<jelkner> #agreed
<dogi> :)
<dogi> #endmeeting
<meeting> Meeting finished at 15:01.
<meeting> Logs available at http://me.etin.gs/ubuntu-sugarteam/ubuntu-sugarteam.log.20100210_1458.html
<jelkner> cool
<dogi> jelkner, it your turn
<dogi> +is
<jelkner> #startmeeting
<meeting> Meeting started at 15:02 UTC. The chair is jelkner.
<meeting> Commands Available: #TOPIC, #IDEA, #ACTION, #AGREED, #LINK
<dogi> hi jelkner
<jelkner> hi dogi
<davidfarning> hey jelkner
<jelkner> hey davidfarning, nice meeting with you! ;-)
 * dogi waves davidfarning 
<jelkner> so, do we agree that this is the way to go?
<jelkner> #agreed
<davidfarning> #Agreed meeting bot is cool!
<dogi>  topic buildslave
<dogi> ?
<dogi> davidfarning, who would like to have access there
<jelkner> should i end the test meeting?
<davidfarning> jelkner, the normal ubuntu logger is also working
<jelkner> davidfarning, sweet!
<jelkner> #endmeeting
<meeting> Meeting finished at 15:04.
<meeting> Logs available at http://me.etin.gs/ubuntu-sugarteam/ubuntu-sugarteam.log.20100210_1502.html
 * dogi is finished with template
<jelkner> that means we can look in the regular log to find the link to the meeting
<jelkner> nice
<dogi> now i clone lucid to buildslave
<dogi> ups template-lucid
<davidfarning> Dogi at this point we really only need me, you, sascah
<jelkner> btw.  i communicated with anurag, lfarone, and hgrover today
<dogi> davidfarning, ok
<jelkner> we have some servers from mediawiki
<jelkner> we have a place to host them
<davidfarning> yes, three are going to RIT
<jelkner> so soon we will need to figure out how best to utilize them
<jelkner> the ones here, i mean
<dogi> jelkner, are this the 3 servers for RIT?
<jelkner> i think yes
<jelkner> i didn't have anything to do with them yet
<davidfarning> are you going to host three at the acadamey?
<jelkner> except for agreeing they could arrive at our school
<jelkner> davidfarning, no
<jelkner> luke has a place in alexandria willing to do it he says
<jelkner> that would be best
<davidfarning> ahh ok I have not been following that side of things.
<jelkner> me neither, davidfarning, until you alerted me to it this morning
<davidfarning> the new servers are dogi and bernies area.
<davidfarning> I have a lot of ideas,  but must focus on working with dogi to get the three machines at RIT up and running
<jelkner> ok, davidfarning, i'll let everyone know when they arrive
<jelkner> luke told me it should be this week
<jelkner> but with the weather we have here
<jelkner> who knows
<dogi> jelkner, the weekly sugarlabs dc meetings here on tuesdays at 1:40 pm EST
<jelkner> dogi, yes
<jelkner> cool!
<jelkner> thanks
<dogi> is this the channel where sugarlabs DC meets?
<jelkner> ok, all, talk to you later...
<davidfarning> later
<dogi> cu
#ubuntu-sugarteam 2010-02-11
<dogi> davidfarning, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Plans/Discovery_One
<davidfarning> dogi, that looks good, I am going to talk to js and remy next week and week can firm things up a bit more.
<dogi> ok
<dogi> ping dfarning
<dogi>  /msg chanserv op #ubuntu-sugarteam dfarning
<dogi> from the mail it looks like should have enough rights
#ubuntu-sugarteam 2010-02-12
<dogi> hi dfarning
<dogi>  /msg chanserv op #ubuntu-sugarteam dfarning
<dfarning> dogi, ok got it. I had to ask on #freenode how to reset my password.
<dogi> ok
<dogi> :)
<dogi> that s what caiused the irc split ?
<dogi> :P
<dogi> ups caused
<dogi> dfarning, good job
 * dogi working on lucid again
<dfarning> dogi, now the important question, how do I assign you as op?
<dfarning> someone needs to know what they are doing:)
<dogi> :)
<dogi> mom
<dogi> I will ask chanserv
<dogi> I will ask chanserv op
<dogi> I will ask chanserv for help ...
<dfarning>  /mode {channel} +o {nick} makes {nick} a channel operator
<dfarning> dogi ^^ you are now an channel op
<dogi>  /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-sugarteam add dogi +votsriRfAF
<dogi> that the command u have to enter
<dfarning>  /mode #ubuntu-sugarteam +o dogi
<dogi> dfarning, only temporary right now
<dogi> thx :)
<dogi>  no i dont appear in the list
<dfarning>  /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-sugarteam add dogi +votsriRfAF
<dogi>  /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-sugarteam list
<dogi> without the space
<dogi> first space
<dogi> thx now I m there
<dfarning> I just ran the abore command with out sapace
<dfarning> dogi, So now I can forget how to use IRC again:)
<dogi> the command for seeing who owns the channel /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-sugarteam list
<dogi> lol
* dogi changed the topic of #ubuntu-sugarteam to: Ubuntu Sugar Team | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SugarTeam | http://me.etin.gs/ubuntu-sugarteam/
<dfarning>  /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-sugarteam add jelkner +votsriRfAF
<dogi> which is the url to ubuntulog
<dogi> no space :P
<dogi> jupp he is now there
<dfarning> dogi, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
* dogi changed the topic of #ubuntu-sugarteam to: Ubuntu Sugar Team | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SugarTeam | http://me.etin.gs/ubuntu-sugarteam/ | http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/02/11/%23ubuntu-sugarteam.html
* dogi changed the topic of #ubuntu-sugarteam to: Ubuntu Sugar Team | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SugarTeam | http://me.etin.gs/ubuntu-sugarteam/ | http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
 * dogi likes to be like all the others
<dogi> #startmeeting
<meeting> Meeting started at 06:06 UTC. The chair is dogi.
<meeting> Commands Available: #TOPIC, #IDEA, #ACTION, #AGREED, #LINK
<dogi> #topic buildslave VM
<dogi> subuntuVM is ready for taking over by dfarning and silbe
<dogi> IP: (502)257-5948
<dogi> #idea subuntu := sugar+ubuntu == buildslave-ubuntu-10.04-amd64
<dogi> #info ip: (502)257-5948
<dogi> #link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Machine/treehouse/buildslave-ubuntu-10.04-64bit
<dogi> #action dfarning fill wikipage
<dogi> #action silbe take over the buildslave
<dogi> #action bernie add dns subuntu.sugarlabs.org A (502)257-5948
<dogi> #action bernie add cname buildslave-ubuntu-10.04-amd64
<dogi> #endmeeting
<meeting> Meeting finished at 06:31.
<meeting> Logs available at http://me.etin.gs/ubuntu-sugarteam/ubuntu-sugarteam.log.20100212_0606.html
* dogi changed the topic of #ubuntu-sugarteam to: Ubuntu Sugar Team | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SugarTeam | Last Meeting: http://me.etin.gs/ubuntu-sugarteam/ubuntu-sugarteam.log.20100212_0606.html | http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
#ubuntu-sugarteam 2010-02-13
<dfarning> dogi, I have moved my build script from home to the build server....  thanks it saves many hours!
<dogi> :)
<dogi> welcome :) ... and thank you for using my services :P
<dogi> by the way lfaraone runs a launchpadVM ...
<dogi> he started yesterdayt
<dogi> -t
<dfarning> very nice-- launchpad is awesome -- the _only_ problem with it is that uses keep getting pulled into ubuntu rather than staying in the 'sugar ' part of the system.
#ubuntu-sugarteam 2010-02-15
<dfarning> dogi, enjoy
#ubuntu-sugarteam 2010-02-16
<jelkner> good morning all
<jelkner> irc.ubuntu.net is not resolving
<jelkner> so i couldn't get on irc without changing to freenode
<jelkner> that may be a problem for other ubuntu users who don't know what to do
<jelkner> weird
<jelkner> i don't know much about how dns works
<jelkner> but host irc.ubuntu.net
<jelkner> returns:
<jelkner> ;; Truncated, retrying in TCP mode.
<jelkner> socket.c:2486: REQUIRE((((sock) != ((void *)0)) && (((const isc__magic_t *)(sock))->magic == ((('I') << 24 | ('O') << 16 | ('i') << 8 | ('o')))))) failed.
<jelkner> Aborted
<jelkner> anyone know to whom i could report this?
<jelkner> anyway, need to get ready for class
<jelkner> we have a meeting here today at 1:40 pm
<jelkner> is there anybody out there?
<jelkner> MYabes would like to link his smoke test data to some where
<jelkner> i told him we should have a wiki portal for that
<jelkner> he is recording his data in a google doc
<dfarning> good morn, just got done shoveling.
<jelkner> publish as web page and link to wiki would be the easiest next step
<jelkner> dfarning, where should michael link his results?
<dfarning> jelkner, could he put it under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSugarRemix/Test on the wiki?
<dfarning> MYabes, that way is it available for other to use and build on top of.
<dfarning> 1 register for an account on the ubuntu wiki.
<dfarning> 2.  type the name for the new page in your browser -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSugarRemix/Test/Results
<dfarning> 3 click create new page.
<jelkner> #startmeeting
<meeting> Meeting started at 13:41 UTC. The chair is jelkner.
<meeting> Commands Available: #TOPIC, #IDEA, #ACTION, #AGREED, #LINK
<jelkner> OK, anyone here in addition to me for the sugarlabs dc meeting?
<jelkner> michael is here also, but he is waiting for his computer to boot
<jelkner> hi michael
<MYabes> hey
<jelkner> we are waiting for anurag
<jelkner> he is on a public computer
<jelkner> downloading chatzilla
<MYabes> ok
<jelkner> hi Anurag!
<Anurag> hey sorry for the delay
<jelkner> ok, looks like only you, MYabes and i
<Anurag> was using a MAC
<jelkner> that's ok
<jelkner> let's get started
<jelkner> 1st thing i wanted to do is get you MYabes schedule
<Anurag> ok great
<jelkner> MYabes, can you tell Anurag which days / times you are here?
<MYabes> tues, thurs,fri 8:30-11:05, 12:30-2:40
<jelkner> and mon, wed from 1:40 to 2:40
<jelkner> hgrover is here mon-fri from 1:40 to 2:40 pm
<jelkner> btw.  I'm really glad we have this channel auto logging now
<jelkner> i was able to review the discussion here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/02/10/%23ubuntu-sugarteam.html
<jelkner> to look up the meeting commands
<jelkner> ok, Anurag, we need some guidance
<jelkner> which i understand is your department ;-)
<jelkner> MYabes has been working his way through the smoke test
<jelkner> he has a google doc he has created with the results so far
<jelkner> MYabes, can you please past the url here?
<Anurag> are you using the smoke test that's on the sugar labs wiki?
<jelkner> s/past/paste
<Anurag> i think that was created last september
<MYabes> http://docs.google.com/View?id=dc63cfgj_11dzj9f7fs
<jelkner> so Anurag, MYabes is looking for guidance
<jelkner> i can get more folks involved in testing,  but it only makes sense if we can contribute in a real way
<jelkner> Anurag, what do you think?
<Anurag> right, I think we need to ask David what specifically he wants to include on the smoke test
<jelkner> Anurag, when do you work on this project?
<jelkner> how many hours per week and which ones?
<jelkner> i'd like to try to coordinate with you
<Anurag> I usually work 10 hrs a week
<Anurag> usually from 12-2 mon - thurs
<jelkner> hmm...
<Anurag> and then a couple hrs during the weekend
<Anurag> have u seen the smoke test for the .84 release?
<jelkner> given MYabes times, is there a possibility to schedule overlap times?
<Anurag> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Smoke_test
<jelkner> no
 * jelkner looks
<jelkner> ok, this is better
<jelkner> do you want us to run this?
<Anurag> yea, at least use it as a foundation
<jelkner> let's get our wiki info down here
<jelkner> to refer to later
<jelkner> we should use the ubuntu resources
<jelkner> so the ubuntu wiki
<jelkner> do we have a home page on the wiki?
<jelkner> Anurag, do you know if we have a home page on the wiki?
<jelkner> like a start page
<jelkner> from which we can link everything else?
<Anurag> don't think we have a home page
<Anurag> I can make one
<Anurag> titled "Ubuntu Sugar Remix" ?
<jelkner> yes
<jelkner> let's confirm with dfarning
<jelkner> but that sounds good to me
<jelkner> UbuntuSugarRemix
<jelkner> as a wiki word
<jelkner> i can make it if you like
<jelkner> but i didn't want to do it if it is already there
<jelkner> let me look
<Anurag> yea sure that would be great
<Anurag> pretty sure it's not there already
<jelkner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSugarRemix
<jelkner> it is there
<jelkner> Anurag, do you have a launchpad account?
<Anurag> yes
<jelkner> cool
<jelkner> so this is the portal page
<jelkner> can you create a smoke test page?
<Anurag> yea, as a subpage?
<jelkner> yes
<jelkner> SmokeTest
<Anurag> yea I can do that
<jelkner> cool
<jelkner> then copy the smoke test from the .84 version you showed us
<jelkner> and we can modify it to suit our needs
<jelkner> sound like a plan?
<Anurag> sounds good
<jelkner> until recently, USR wouldn't load from gdm
<jelkner> i checked yesterday and it did
<jelkner> i have testing machines available
<jelkner> so as soon as we have a good process
<jelkner> MYabes can have at it
<satellit_> hello I have been testing USR also here
<jelkner> satellit_, awesome!
<jelkner> let's get a test process on the wiki
<jelkner> so we can all be reading from the same script
<Anurag> is there a USR image accessible?
<satellit_> I have VBox and VMworkstation here and several netbooks
<jelkner> Anurag, what is your job description?
<jelkner> what exactly are you tasked with for your 10 hours?
<jelkner> i want to include that in my thinking on how we can work together
<jelkner> satellit_, great
<Anurag> caroline and I usually work together to set my objectives
<hgrover> hello all
<Anurag> but she wants me to spend a lot of my time this semester working with USR
<jelkner> Anurag should i ask her then?
<Anurag> and testing Blueberry
<jelkner> ok
<jelkner> if we could know your availability
<jelkner> (and i'll ask her)
<jelkner> then we can plan better
<jelkner> can you be responsible for the smoke test?
<Anurag> looks like this time would be the best since it works for all of us
<jelkner> this time is great for our weekly meeting
<Anurag> yes
<jelkner> i'm not suggesting we change that
<jelkner> i'm just talking more in general
<satellit_> will USR work with http://schooltool.org/?
<jelkner> satellit_, yes
<jelkner> since USR runs on top of ubuntu
<jelkner> and schooltool does too
<Anurag> would you have to "sugarize" it first
<jelkner> http://book.schooltool.org/htmlhelp/install-toc.html
<jelkner> Anurag, it is a web app
<jelkner> so no
<Anurag> o ok, then yea it should definitely work
<jelkner> it runs as a service on localhost:7080
<jelkner> after installing the debs
<jelkner> ok, i have students
<jelkner> i need to attend to
<Anurag> ok
<jelkner> Anurag, can you talk to MYabes and hgrover about what they should do this week?
<jelkner> and then i'll check back in and close the meeting
<Anurag> yea no problem
<jelkner> so, we have a few goals:
<jelkner> 1. get the smoke test up
<jelkner> 2. start using it to test
<jelkner> i'll send the minutes to dfarning and caroline
<Anurag> ok great
<jelkner> and see if there are other things that should be on the list.
<hgrover> (the smoke test isn't still up?)
<Anurag> so it looks like our times overlap 1:40- 2:40 on pretty much all week days
<Anurag> no it's not up yet
<hgrover> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSugarRemix/Test?
<hgrover> is that just an unfinished version? sorry for being confused, i think i missed something =)
<Anurag> oh I've never seen this page, looking over it right now, one sec
<hgrover> yeah, i think it's in the process of being updated constantly
<hgrover> we're basically trying to fill it up with our goals, which i'm sure jeff has told you about anurang?
<Anurag> yea looks like david updated it yesterday
<hgrover> alright
<Anurag> now do you know if anyone has had a chance to run this smoke test on USR?
<hgrover> i think that's what myabes is supposed to be doing, he just ran to the water fountain
<hgrover> yeah, myabes ran through it and made a google doc about what worked and what didn't
<hgrover> what was the link, michael?
<Anurag> I saw the link
<MYabes> http://docs.google.com/View?id=dc63cfgj_11dzj9f7fs
<hgrover> (i didn't =))
<Anurag> Michael did you just basically try running a bunch of different activities?
<Anurag> have you done any of the other tests on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSugarRemix/Test ?
<satellit_> how are you doing smoke test? Virtual Box /CD/USB?
<Anurag> Henry do you know?
<hgrover> i don't, let me help him find out
<Anurag> I'm assuming VM
<hgrover> he actually installed karmic on his laptop, then installed USR from the ppa
<MYabes> i just tried all of the activities on usr, to see if they worked or not
<hgrover> so no VM craziness at all
<satellit_> ovf import works well in sun Virtualbox
<hgrover> I'm a little confused about the state of things.  Did we ever get a place where one could just download USR VDI's?
<satellit_> http://people.sugarlabs.org/dfarning/  for DL of iso and ovf files (4required)
<Anurag> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSugarRemix/Test
<hgrover> ah, awesome
<satellit_> david builds them with script
<Anurag> so I think we should create a spreadsheet that covers the different parameters on david's version of the smoke test
<Anurag> and then come up with some kind of testing schedule
<hgrover> yeah.  myabes has a good amount of time each day, a little bit of which i think was portioned to the smoke test (is that right, michael?)
<MYabes> yes
<hgrover> alright, awesome
<hgrover> so as changes are made, michael can tell us what works and what doesn't, wherfe should this spreadsheet be though? a shared googledoc?
<hgrover> where*
<Anurag> yea just make it a shared google doc
<hgrover> and it's 2:40, we have to go catch our bus >.<
<Anurag> so we can all update it
<hgrover> and alright, that sounds good
<Anurag> alright i'll stay on until jeff gets back
<hgrover> i can come back tomorrow at this time, if there's anything more to be discussed? alright
<Anurag> sounds good jeff or I will probably send an email
<MYabes> i have to go now, cya
<jelkner> #endmeeting
<meeting> Meeting finished at 14:42.
<meeting> Logs available at http://me.etin.gs/ubuntu-sugarteam/ubuntu-sugarteam.log.20100216_1341.html
 * dfarning read logs:)
<satellit_> note: USR does not shut down correctly use terminal sudo shutdown -h now
<Anurag> o ok
<satellit_> otherwise it hangs if you use F3 dropdown "shutdown" and you cannot get to terminal
<dfarning> satellit_, still  a know problem.  It won't get fixed until lucic developers settle on a startup/shutdown process.
<satellit_> OK I wa just warning them of the way it is......: )
<Anurag> david do you know if anyone has run through your smoke test yet?
<dfarning> satellit_, there are hooks in the most recent iso so crashes get sent ot llaunchpd via arport.
<satellit_> great
<satellit_> do you have to log in to use it?  that has stopped me in the past
<dfarning> Anurag, not that I know of... I just cut a pasted a smoke test that I set up for some students at RIT last semester.
<Anurag> o ok, I was wondering why it kept referring to an XO
<dfarning> satellit_, Yes, I think you need to be logged into LP
<satellit_> dfarning: that would be better if you did not have to...?more people would use it
<satellit_> like fedora smolt
<dfarning> Anurag, yes the exercis was set up as a first lecture/first lab so the students got familiarity with the xo and worked through problems together.
<Anurag> david, have people been using the USR launchpad page to report problems?
<Anurag> or was that page set up recently?
#ubuntu-sugarteam 2010-02-17
<jelkner> dfarning, are you here?
<jelkner> we just had an event on #sugar that should give us pause
<jelkner> a troll joined the channel and started typing inappropriate language
<jelkner> there were no channel ops there to ban them
<jelkner> at present we have the same problem here
<jelkner> we should try to be sure that there are channel ops on hand most of the time
<jelkner> which means:
<jelkner> 1. asking people who are here all the time anyway if they mind being channel ops
<jelkner> 2. making the ones who volunteer channel ops
<satellit_> jelkner: I monitor here.... but am nubie for IRC...
<jelkner> satellit_, that's cool.  just checking
<jelkner> it was an awkward situation today
<jelkner> i was encouraging one of my students to use the irc channel, #sugar
<jelkner> she was a bit shy about it, but i told her it was a friendly place, and not to worry
<jelkner> then this troll comes in and makes a liar of me :-(
<jelkner> something we definitely want to avoid if we want this place to be open and friendly to students and educators
<satellit_> I agree...
<jelkner> ok, gotta run to a meeting
<jelkner> bbl
<satellit_> I am not familiar on how to do it. Xchat has a function operator/functions ban...can we do it?
<satellit_> jelkner: #sugar still dealing w troll
<dfarning> sorry about the problem on #sugar this afternoon.   I think we doubled the number of people with ops permission on the channel.
<dfarning> requesting the jelkner be added to #sugar ops
#ubuntu-sugarteam 2010-02-23
<jelkner> #startmeeting
<meeting> Meeting started at 13:41 UTC. The chair is jelkner.
<meeting> Commands Available: #TOPIC, #IDEA, #ACTION, #AGREED, #LINK
<jelkner> hello
<jelkner> anyone here besides myabes and me?
<jelkner> hi caroline
<caroline> hi
<jelkner> i just typed the startmeeting command
<jelkner> you have joined myabes and me so far
<jelkner> any word from anurag, caroline?
<jelkner> he told me he would be here
<caroline> yeah he was on gmail a sec ago
<caroline> told me which channel
<jelkner> cool
<jelkner> i'll try to ping him
<jelkner> anurag is trying to join
<jelkner> henry grover is logging in as well
<jelkner> since i have class at this time
<jelkner> i need to move things forward and start the discussion going
<jelkner> so i can attend to the needs of other students in my class
<Anurag> hey
<Anurag> everyone here?
<jelkner> caroline, myabes, hgrover, jelkner are here
<jelkner> i need to come in and out
<jelkner> since i have class
<jelkner> my top questions is: what next?
<jelkner> http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tOWGYJYAQz98t_zJogIt_Tg&single=true&gid=0&output=html
<jelkner> myabes sent us this
<jelkner> is this what you are looking for?
<jelkner> i'm most concerned that we make use of myabes time effectively
<jelkner> which means making sure he is doing useful things with it
<jelkner> Anurag, i would be grateful if you give him feedback
<jelkner> hgrover is available to support him
<hgrover> (in regards to your earlier email, myabes, the best bext step would presumably be to invite others to edit it)
<caroline> Does he know how to look at the logs to see what the error was when something fails?
<caroline> Is that something David woudl find useful?
<Anurag> right, we really need to work towards finding specific errors
<Anurag> need to run some terminal commands
<caroline> there is also a Log activity
<Anurag> to diagnose network issues and see if we're gettting an IP
<Anurag> michael do you have the computer that you're doing testing on connected to any kind of switch/router?
<hgrover> he does
<hgrover> it's on a switch connected to our main router, it's a pretty complicated network
<hgrover> (that router is connected to another higher up)
<dfarning_laptop> +1 to using log activity to see what looks goofy with an activity
<hgrover> where are logs for activities in sugar stored?
<hgrover> just a directory in /var/logs? i haven't looked around
<dfarning_laptop> hgrover, it is easiest to use the log activity
<dfarning_laptop> the actual log files are stored under ~/.sugar
<satellit_> log activity displays each activity after it is started (and stopped) very useful
<satellit_> plus errors
<hgrover> ahh, alright
<dfarning_laptop> hgrover, are you at a machine running sugar? if so can you and michael try the log activity
<hgrover> so michael should be posting the contents of the log activity after something else fails?
<dfarning_laptop> hgrover, yes:)
<Anurag> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4056
<hgrover> i've got a vm running sugar, let me start it up
<satellit_> use copy paste function to transfer to USB stick
<satellit_> or screenshot if VM
<dfarning_laptop> hgrover, for now you caroline just cut and past the contents of the log files to a new colum on the spread sheet
<hgrover> could he copy paste it into pastebin, then put a link to that in the spreadsheet?
<dfarning_laptop> hgrover, myabes or just take a screen shot and attach that to the spreadsheet
<hgrover> interesting, myabes says he still can't boot into sugar straight from the login page
<hgrover> let me try to do the same in my vm, see how it goes
<hgrover> (i do recall it working properly last i tried
<dfarning_laptop>  hgrover yes that might be broken for a few more weeks on some machines.
<hgrover> alright
<hgrover> indeed, it does give me the option on my vm, and it appears to work
<dfarning_laptop> cool
<hgrover> browse, however, doesn't want to start, it seems...
<Anurag> yea browse has never worked yet
<hgrover> alright.  so it sounds like the plan is that michael should install http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4056 in sugar, and attach screenshots of error messages to the googledoc
<hgrover> should he do so for all failure logs, or just specific ones, or what?
<dfarning_laptop> The spread sheet is a very good idea.  It is a nice step between the formality a develop needs and the way people tend to think
<dfarning_laptop> hgrover, usually there will be a log of the same name as the activity you are testing
<dfarning_laptop> hgrover, myabes that log will usually show some sort of error....
<hgrover> Right, but which ones should he screenshot and attach to the spreadsheet?  All of them, or just those that fail?
<Anurag> I think the ones that fail for now. david what do you think?
<dfarning_laptop> hgrover, just the most recent log file of the most recently failed activity
<hgrover> alright
<dfarning_laptop> Anurag, yes, that will get us important feedback 90% of the time
<hgrover> so we've opened up the log activity, there are two subgroups:  ~/.sugar/default/log, and /var/log
<dfarning_laptop> Anurag, especially when we can compare and contrast across the failure logs on different platforms
<hgrover> in the former, we've got datastore, org.laptop.Log-1, org.laptop.terminal, presenceservice,shell,and telepathy-gabble, all ".log"
<dfarning_laptop> hgrover, ~/.sugar/default/log has the sugar specific stuff and /var/log is the general linux stuff
<hgrover> alright, do you want everything from ~/.sugar/default/log?  It's got a fair amount of debug info
<dfarning_laptop> hgrover, try opening the browse activity and then look at the org.laptop.browse log
<hgrover> myabes says that browse doesn't work
<Anurag> right that's why you should check out what the log says about the browse activity
<hgrover> oh, i'm sorry, i misunderstood
<dfarning_laptop> hgrover, yes, but when you try to start it there will be information about why it failed.
<hgrover> how long should i let the icon blink before stopping it and checking the logs?
<dfarning_laptop> hgrover, 5-10 seconds should be long enough
<Anurag> has anyone tested local collaboration using USR?
<Anurag> or will that be difficult with a VM installation?
<hgrover> there's a fair amount of text, shall i put it in pastebin?
<dfarning_laptop> hgrover, yes
<hgrover> hmmm, any way to copy-paste from emulator to main machine? sorry for ignorance if i'm missing something obvious
<Anurag> hmm, I think there is a way to share a folder from your main machine
<Anurag> and then you can copy paste text files to that folder
<hgrover> trying to open a terminal but it doesn't feel like doing that =S
<hgrover> got a terminal, i'll just make a document, scp it to my laptop, paste from there
<Anurag> yea that works
<Anurag> myabes have u had the chance to test local collaboration in USR?
<myabes> whats that?
<hgrover> sorry, finally got this, had to do it a rather roundabout way
<hgrover> http://pastebin.com/mZD9BVXS
<dfarning_laptop> hgrover, myabes perfect
<dfarning_laptop> the line ImportError: libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
<hgrover> what is that?
<dfarning_laptop> tells me that that the xulrunner shared libary is not being found correctly
<Anurag> is this why some of the other activities are not launching either
<dfarning_laptop> Anurag, I think the xulrunner is only a problem for browse
<Anurag> o ok
<dfarning_laptop> xulrunner is a tool kit written by mozilla to make browsers.  It is being phased out and replaced with webkit
<dfarning_laptop> ubuntu phased it out.... yet sugar labs has not rewritten browse.... hence the problem
<hgrover> ahhh
<dfarning_laptop> so we need to carry our own version of xulrunner in our ppa until sugar labs rewrites browse
<Anurag> oh i see
<Anurag> myabes can you share the google spreadsheet with me
<Anurag> so I can add/change things if needed
<hgrover> i'll help myabes do that tomorrow, we have to go now
<myabes> ok
<dfarning_laptop> debian and fedora still have xulrunner for at least one more release.  so ubuntu is getting hit the hardest
<hgrover> talk to you guys tomorrow!
<dfarning_laptop> thanks guys
<Anurag> o ok, any reason for the switch?
<myabes> cya
<Anurag> bye myabes and hgrover
<dfarning_laptop> Anurag, xulrunner is a security and maintenance nightmare:( mozilla no longer supports it.  webkit is very good:)
<Anurag> o ok got it
<Anurag> david is there anything else you want us to include in our testing to help you out
<Anurag> we want to make sure we cover as much as possible
<dfarning_laptop> Anurag, ubuntu just decided to take one for the team and go first on deprecating it
<dfarning_laptop> Anurag, logs in the spreed sheet and reworking the smoke test are the two biggest helps.
<jelkner> #endmeeting
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<jelkner> that was great!
<caroline> :)
<jelkner> thanks dfarning caroline!
<jelkner> progress
<jelkner> Anurag,
<caroline> I din't do anything!
<jelkner> thanks!
<Anurag> yup no prob
<dfarning_laptop> Anurag, once lucid settles down, we can start to work in ernest on the packaging.
<jelkner> i didn't get to read everything yet
<jelkner> but henry was telling me what was going on
<Anurag> k sounds good
<dfarning_laptop> jelkner, ping me if you need me.  I grab the tiger by the tail when commiting to build the new also cluster.... now I am holding on with all my might:)
<dfarning_laptop> I should be back to USR full time in about 2 weeks
<dfarning_laptop> s/also/aslo/ :(
<Anurag> alrite well I'm going to sign off, have a class in 30 min, but I'll send out a short email update tonight
<satellit_> defarning_laptop: please e-mail when USR builds continue so I can help test...: )
<dfarning_laptop> Anurag, thanks.  Even though it might seem slow going now.  once the knowledge in seeded in henry and michael it will grow quickly within the school.
<dfarning_laptop> satellit_ will do
<satellit_> : )
#ubuntu-sugarteam 2010-02-24
<satellit_> defarning: have you considered including alsroot's USB-Creator application for Ubuntu (experimental)? (available for DL from sugar Applications web site) I think it is same as Trisquel sugar uses
<satellit_> on USR
<satellit_> defarning_laptop: have you considered including alsroot's USB-Creator in USR? (DL from sugar apps web site)
<dfarning_laptop> satellit_ not yet, but I will look at it if you think it is the best end user option:)
<satellit_> it makes USB sticks, could be a nice way to duplicate them
<satellit_> from sugar
<satellit_> I have managed to sugarize liveusb-creator on fedora Soas:http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Category_talk:Live_USB works nicely
<satellit_> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Category_talk:Live_USB     link
#ubuntu-sugarteam 2011-02-08
<dcorking> the links in the channel topic are dea - anyone know what the current websites for the sugar team are?
<dcorking> s/dea/dead/
<dcorking> reason I was looking for it was I wanted to know if sugar 0.90 or 0.92 is targetted for natty
#ubuntu-sugarteam 2011-02-14
<satellit_> PetrosPolonos: look at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Ubuntu
<satellit_> also:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Sugar
<PetrosPolonos> Thanks. Going there.
<satellit_> best is sugar 0.88.1 sweets...:  )
<satellit_> 10.04LTS or 10.10
<satellit_> PertosPolonos: I use 10.10 on my laptop with sugar...
<PetrosPolonos> I have 10.10 on my main laptop,
<PetrosPolonos> and I got Sugar as the alternate GDM (Gnome is my main).
<PetrosPolonos> I also burned USR CD from the net and installed it on my kids' laptops, parallelly to Win&
<PetrosPolonos> *7
<PetrosPolonos> But I see slight differences between these two packages.
<PetrosPolonos> We shall be testing Sugar quite q lot, as I plan to spread the word in Poland.
<PetrosPolonos> As Ubuntu is probably the most popular desktop linux here,
<PetrosPolonos> and I have  a bit of experience with it,
<PetrosPolonos> thus I am trying to make it my standard.
<PetrosPolonos> but apparently I will need sort of my own distro for that.
<PetrosPolonos> We just made some initial tests on 4 machines and many activities do not work,
<PetrosPolonos> peer visibility is weird, asymmetric, and so on.
<satellit_> PetrosPolonos: Try ALSO http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Trisquel#Installing_Sugar_on_Trisquel_4.0.1_and_Trisquel_4.5  4.5 is 10.10 and most sugar applications just work on it.
<satellit_> use http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trisquel_On_A_Sugar_Toast#Install_Sugar-desktop_0.88_.22SWEETS.22  for install.....same as for 10.10 Ubuntu. Alsroot has fiixed it well
<PetrosPolonos> OK, I am now chewing through adding sweets to my regular Ubuntu.
<satellit_> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Emulator_image_files#Trisquel-4.5_-Gnome-sugar_BETA is ready to import into VirtualBox 4.0
<PetrosPolonos> Should I go for .88 or .90?
<satellit_> 0.88
<satellit_> the later one has problems in sharing
<satellit_> ask alsroot (it is his work) also
<alsroot> PetrosPolonos: the problem is that in 0.90, sugar switched to use telepathy-mission-control instead of sugar-presence-service. there are bunch of related issues, the last stable sugar that is being used in the filed is 0.88
<PetrosPolonos> I see.
<PetrosPolonos> Instaling...
<PolandOLPCS-b18a> It's Petros - from Sugar now.
<PolandOLPCS-b18a> satellit_: I apparently installet packages - at least Synaptic says so. How can I verify that from within Sugar desktop? Some Activity version check, or alike?
<satellit_> PolandOLPCS-b18a: did you install sugar-emulator...(menu education sugar) if not use gdm login at bottom bar for sugar instead of gnome
<satellit_> symantec for sugar-emulator
<satellit_> use sugar-emulator -f   for full screen in command
<PolandOLPCS-b18a> I have it configured for ages. :-) There is a separate user for Sugar and I relogin for that.
<PolandOLPCS-b18a> It is still an experiment for me and I keep it separate from my daily gnome.
<satellit_> not a user...gdm login on bottom bar after logout
<PolandOLPCS-b18a> I understand.
<PolandOLPCS-b18a> Berhaps it is an overkill, but I created separate user and assigned him Sugar GDM.
<satellit_> ok  have to go out now  good luck
<satellit_afk> :  )
<PolandOLPCS-b18a> Thank you for your help.
<satellit_afk> yw
#ubuntu-sugarteam 2011-02-16
<wildrocker1884> how run ubuntu off an old laptop
<Quozl> ask ubuntu, not sugar?
<wildrocker1884> sry wrong chat then
#ubuntu-sugarteam 2011-02-27
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#ubuntu-sugarteam 2012-02-06
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