#ubuntu-motu 2006-02-01 <LaserJock> boy, we are a lively bunch today <raphink> lol <raphink> wow no activity today ;) <LaserJock> not very much at all, everybody must be working hard ;-) <Kyral> Career Fair was today <LaserJock> Kyral: how was that? <Kyral> eh <Kyral> I targetted IBM <LaserJock> Kyral: did it go well do you think? <Kyral> eh, my GPA will sink me everytime <LaserJock> well, a GPA isn't everything. You just need to be a MOTU and then they'll be begging you ;-) * ajmitch hasn't got many begging at his door <Kyral> lol <LaserJock> hmm, all this time I was thinking I'd get a job by being a MOTU :-( <robotgeek> heh <marcin`> hi MOTU's <LaserJock> thank goodness I kept my day job ;-) <marcin`> not much activity.. so I got a question <marcin`> warning - this is 'lame' question <marcin`> I need to copy something into debian/<package_name> subdirectory <marcin`> so I need to use some copying command in rules file <marcin`> is there any preferred way to do copying? <marcin`> is cp -vr ok? <azeem> copy it from where? <marcin`> from orig source dir <azeem> why does it not get installed in debian/tmp? <marcin`> azeem: let's say that I got some tar.gz with sources <azeem> anyway, you can also use dh_install for that, provided you don't pass it --sourcedir=debian/tmp <marcin`> azeem: then I extract this somewehere and add /debian directory in this tree <marcin`> azeem: and then I want to copy some files from orig tree to debian/<package_name> <marcin`> but the problem is that I don't want to copy files but also subdirs and files in these subdirs <azeem> during package build? <marcin`> I just want to copy tree structure <marcin`> azeem: yes <azeem> and this "add /debian directory in this tree" is also during package build? * azeem is confused <marcin`> I just want to build package with some webapp that doesn't have any makefiles <azeem> I see <marcin`> and also has al ot of directories and subdirectories <azeem> well, I think dh_install copies files recursively <marcin`> ok I'll try this <azeem> or just use cp -a or cp -r or whatever <marcin`> I thought that dh_install is simmilar to install... so it cannot install files recursively <azeem> I think it acts recursively, but I am not sure <crimsun> Nafallo_away: patch(es) sent. <lifeless> if entry.parent_id == orig_root_id <LaserJock> hi all! <bddebian> Heya LaserJock <zakame> heya LaserJock , bddebian <robotgeek> hey LaserJock Burgundavia <bddebian> Howdy zakame <zakame> and Burgundavia :) <bddebian> and robotgeek and Burgundavia ;-P <LaserJock> I discovered Jabber today, thanks to raphink <robotgeek> hi bddebian <zakame> ooh <robotgeek> LaserJock: maybe you want to give me a hand with this program? <LaserJock> if I can, I'm kinda busy tonight <robotgeek> LaserJock: http://internap.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/opende/ode-0.5.tgz <robotgeek> take your time, if you get that done, i can go thru it and finish off the rest <LaserJock> robotgeek: so what do you need? <robotgeek> i got thru the dh_make stage, but the program doesn't use autoconf, but some weird thing which uses a configuration tool. to make it worse, i think it's a library <Burgundavia> hello all <LaserJock> hi Burgundavia <LaserJock> robotgeek: it looks like you just need to patch the config/user-settings <robotgeek> that file doesn't have much LaserJock <LaserJock> robotgeek: but I think you need to patch config/user-settings to have the appropriate values and then you can use debian/rules to do make configure <robotgeek> LaserJock: or is it config/makefile.unix-gcc <LaserJock> robotgeek: no, you set PLATFORM in the user-settings to unix-gcc <robotgeek> yeah, and then it picks up config/makefile.unix-gcc as the Makefile to use, in addition to the one in the top dir <LaserJock> right, but all you have to do is patch the config/user-settings <robotgeek> hmm, okay. since i'm lost, i'll go back and give DNMG a rereading, maybe there's something i'm missing <LaserJock> robotgeek: actually, it doesn't look like you need to even patch it. It should just work <robotgeek> LaserJock: i need to add a make install , i am unsure of where to put it in <LaserJock> robotgeek: well, you might have to patch makefile.unix-gcc for the X libs <LaserJock> robotgeek: you don't need to add a make install, you could just do it in rules <robotgeek> hmm, okay. <LaserJock> robotgeek: look at the INSTALL file <robotgeek> okay, there <robotgeek> i just need to copy that last part for the install, right? in rules? <LaserJock> right except you don't want to install into /usr/local/ <robotgeek> yeah, needs to go to /usr/lib <LaserJock> well, actually it will go into ${CURDIR}/debian/tmp/ode/usr/lib/ or something like that <robotgeek> yeah, <robotgeek> i just got messed up with the rules file then, i guess <LaserJock> robotgeek: am I making sense? <robotgeek> LaserJock: yes, i think i figured it out. thanks for you help! <LaserJock> robotgeek: ok cool, let me know if you need more <robotgeek> LaserJock: sure :) <LaserJock> anybody know of a way I could get vnc easily installed? <LaserJock> there are some problems right now with the dependecies <LaserJock> oh my gosh, no vnc packages (vnc4 or tightvnc) are building right :( <Mez> are they in universe? <Mez> LaserJock, looking for client or server? <LaserJock> yes, but they are FTBFS <LaserJock> server <Mez> why are they FTBFS? <LaserJock> dependencies + other stuff <Mez> whats the other stuff <Mez> deps are easy <LaserJock> malone bug #29428 <Ubugtu> Malone bug 29428 in vnc: "vnc (and vnc4) ships it's own XFree86 server code" [Normal,Rejected] http://launchpad.net/bugs/29428 <LaserJock> I tried doko's packages but the .diff.tgz file seems to have the wrong md5sum <LaserJock> I also tried tightvnc but I couldn't get it to make a source package after I fixed the deps problem <LaserJock> right now, with doko's source package I'm getting "cp: target `xorg-server/hw/vnc/' is not a directory: No such file or director" when I try to build it in a dapper pbuilder <LaserJock> right now though I just need some type of vnc server so I can connect to my Ubuntu computer from home <siretart> morning <siretart> hi ajmitch :) <ajmitch> hi siretart :) <siretart> seems like debian will move to /var/run on tempfs as well <ajmitch> good <ajmitch> less work for us to fix daemons in universe :) <siretart> yes * ajmitch has met a few fellow DDs here this week :) <ajmitch> I should get a few GPG sigs once they process their keysigning list <siretart> ah. :) <ajmitch> it's been a great conference so far <ajmitch> tomorrow morning we have sabdfl giving his keynote talk <ajmitch> and mjg59 is talking about acpi later <siretart> ajmitch: do you have a minute to review https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/ReportingBugsToDebian for language/common sense? <ajmitch> in a min :) * ajmitch should probably write up some "Here's a patch" templates for mail <siretart> okay <ajmitch> whishlist -> wishlist <siretart> oh * ajmitch might go through & do a spelling/grammar fixup :) <ajmitch> it looks ok though <siretart> thank you. my english spelling is cruel, I know :( <ajmitch> no it's better than most english speakers <siretart> :) <siretart> I've just seen a malone bug where the submitter was asked to file a bug in debian, and replied with the question 'how' <siretart> and I thought such a wiki page was useful anyway, so I wrote it <ajmitch> thank you :) <siretart> :) <siretart> reminder: the poll is open! <ajmitch> ah yes <ajmitch> can the other poll be removed? <siretart> If I knew how, I would do that <ajmitch> yes, it's launchpad.. :) <siretart> :) <dholbach> hello motu world! <lucas> hello dholbach <dholbach> hi lucas <lucas> dholbach: have you received some feedback from kamion/mdz regarding the UVF exc req . <lucas> ? <dholbach> lucas: seems not <siretart> huhu dholbach, hi lucas * ajmitch waves to dholbach <Mithrandir> tseng: beagle whine. <raphink> wb dholbach <dholbach> re raphink <ajmitch> hm, I wonder if I should sit down & write up something nice & beg for a bounty for selinux stuff ;) <ajmitch> siretart: do you think just those 3 poll options will fit most people? <raphink> :) <raphink> hi ajmitch * ajmitch really really really hopes it doesn't end up as 14:00 UTC <ajmitch> hi raphink <ajmitch> 1400UTC == 0300NZDT <siretart> ajmitch: you had the opportunity to add additional options ;) - I've taken them from sistoptys email, which also didn't get answered <ajmitch> siretart: thanks, the opportunity is that I have to ask here first :) <raphink> hehe <ajmitch> and I've been just a little busy this week with LCA <raphink> ajmitch: do you have some time to review two thing on REVU? <ajmitch> raphink: 00:30 here <raphink> siretart: I coulnd't add options to the poll... <siretart> raphink: because the poll has already started <raphink> maybe because I'm not admin in the motu group <siretart> no, nobody can anymore <ajmitch> I think I just can't turn up if it ends up as tuesday :) <ajmitch> but that's the same for others for any time <raphink> siretart: no yesterday I couldn't edit it <siretart> oh <siretart> strange <ajmitch> because I forgot to add you as admin <raphink> siretart: _yesterday_, before the poll began, I couldn't edit it <siretart> raphink: I see. sorry, I cannot do anything about it now :( <raphink> yes I think so <raphink> could you do so ? :) <ajmitch> raphink: just blame me :) <raphink> ajmitch: hehe ;) <raphink> ajmitch: lucas should be an admin in the group, too <ajmitch> haha <ajmitch> I found photos of myself on someone's LCA photos <ajmitch> & lathiat <raphink> really? <raphink> :) <ajmitch> yes, really <ajmitch> I don't think I can set you as admin <ajmitch> it's not letting me <raphink> hehe <raphink> ok <raphink> I should ask ogra? <ajmitch> http://gallery.toomuchwork.net/v/Travels/New_Zealand_2006/Dunedin2/IMG_4674.JPG.html <ajmitch> bad photo :) <ajmitch> yes <raphink> ajmitch: which one are you? <raphink> ogra__: ping <ajmitch> raphink: guess :P <raphink> hmmm... <raphink> hehe <raphink> ok I'll guess the other one is not an ubuntu guy and that gives the answer ;) <raphink> am I right? <ogra__> raphink, fiex <ogra__> *fixed <ajmitch> raphink: quite right <raphink> thanks ogra__ :) <raphink> :) <ajmitch> raphink: if you're not sure, you can ask ogra__, he's supposedly met me before :) <ajmitch> though I'm not sure if he's blanked out those weeks from stress :) <raphink> supposedly <ogra__> just from preparation for the sprint :) <ajmitch> ah <ajmitch> that starts monday? <ajmitch> it would be nice to go, but I know it's just distro team :) <ogra> and its hard work, not comparable with a conference <ajmitch> yes, hard work+lots of stress <ajmitch> I wouldn't expect it to be conference like * ajmitch has been coming home & hacking until 3am lately anyway :) <ajmitch> ****ing awk yesterday <ajmitch> such a simple awk construct, worked differently in mawk than in gawk <ajmitch> mawk's regex engine is broken & incomplete <ajmitch> so I'll have to have the package build-dep on gawk, sigh <raphink> yeah * raphink just got the business cards he had ordered online :) <Yagisan> cool <raphink> :) <Yagisan> so raphink, what is your business ? <raphink> I mean the ubuntu cards :) <Yagisan> ah <Yagisan> still cool <raphink> yes :) <jdong_> mplayer's cpudetect routines don't work for me on a A64 <jdong_> actually, somehow HAVE_MMX, etc are not defined <tseng> dholbach: do we have any answers on uvf exceptions so far? <tseng> dholbach: should i not bother writing more? <lucas> tseng: not yet <lucas> (U asked this morning) <lucas> I <tseng> i didnt ask any less than a day ago for sure <lucas> tseng: I meant "I asked" not "you asked" <lucas> U is too close to I on the kb for me <tseng> lucas: oh. <dholbach> tseng: writing more? <dholbach> tseng: as in discussing on our list? <ogra> whats there to answer ? <ogra> the process is clear, isnt it ? <zul> hey <bddebian> Heya gang <zakame> good eeeeevening MOTUs!!! :) <bddebian> Heya zakame <zakame> hi bddebian :-) <siretart> huhu bddebian, hi zakame <zakame> heya siretart :) <bddebian> Heya siretart <tseng> ogra: the process is clear up until the point where requests go off list to mdz <tseng> ogra: to get an actual answer <tseng> ogra: since its off list i have no idea if there was a response, or where the response will show up etc etc <tseng> ogra: should i bother dholbach every day until he tells me to upload? <tseng> ogra: (no) <bddebian> heh <dholbach> ogra: no you shouldn't <ogra> tseng, i think he wont answer every single request <dholbach> ogra: oops <dholbach> tseng: you shouldn't <tseng> if he doesnt answer every request, how do I have any idea what to do <dholbach> discuss stuff on the mailing list, I'll hand stuff to Matt and Colin and report back ASAP <ogra> he will look ove them once a bunch is queued up <dholbach> We can ALL discuss the changes on the list <ogra> and have a short interview with dholbach or me <tseng> the ALL of us discussing part is nice <dholbach> It's nothing that needs to be blocked on me. <tseng> but seems to have no bearing on anything <zakame> hm can the MOTU LP admin add me to the group? :) <tseng> its just a pointless step <dholbach> no bearing? <tseng> no influence <dholbach> If people were in favor of doing it, I handed it to Matt. <dholbach> It's not a "dholbach decides" thing. <dholbach> I want to be sure about the stuff I hand to Matt and Colin, because they have enough to do and arguing with them is ... tough. <tseng> it was easier in breezy to update stuff in main than it is for universe now <dholbach> They want to have stuff sent to them, they want to have it batched. <ogra> ALL: it would be nice if prople who want to join the MOTU team could apply for it, i dont keep a list around with approved people all the time ... <dholbach> If you have an idea, to fix the process and not dump all the review work on one person, please tell me. <ogra> Ibalon, added <dholbach> ogra: is Ibalon a MOTU? <ogra> dholbach, * zakame ist jetzt bekannt als Ibalon <ogra> (sorry for the german) <dholbach> Ah, right. :-) <tseng> i am used to matt and colin trusting what I do and leaving things pretty relaxed even in main <tseng> so this is just a pretty stark change <tseng> to making a detailed change report and waiting weeks <dholbach> I wished it'd work better. <ogra> tseng, relaxed != dapper <tseng> ogra: we are talking about dapper universe <ogra> still we talk about software that people will use for 3-5 years worst case <tseng> and bugfix point relesases <zakame> ogra, dholbach : sorry, was away dealing with someone IRL :) <tseng> dholbach: could the requests to mdz at least be CC'd to the list so we can see replies? <dholbach> I have no reply yet and as I said: I'm going to give an update ASAP <dholbach> and yes, I can do it next time. <tseng> thanks * tseng hugs dholbach <zakame> ogra: thanks for adding me btw :) <dholbach> :) <Gloubiboulga> hello <zakame> heya Gloubiboulga :) <Gloubiboulga> hi zakame <phanatic> hi people <bddebian> Hello phanatic <Gloubiboulga> hi phanatic <phanatic> zakame: ping <zakame> phanatic: pong <zakame> (sorry, am updating my dapper chroot atm) <phanatic> zakame: then sorry for disturbing. i only wanted to ask, if you have had the time for revuing my nanoweb package... <zakame> phanatic: I have some notes, just let me post it on REVU :) <phanatic> zakame: okay, thanks :) <zakame> phanatic: no prob :) <zakame> wb dholbach , JohnnyMast <dholbach> re <siretart> wb dholbach <zakame> wb raphink <raphink> ty zakame <cyberix> I think I just managed to package my software. Can I have some tips what I could/should do with it? And maybe some proofraeding too, as I have never packaged anything before. <siretart> cyberix: read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReviewingGuide <cyberix> siretart: Ok, what now? <siretart> cyberix: so you are still thinking your package is fine? ;) <siretart> cyberix: if yes, you might want to upload it to revu. pass me your gpg id <cyberix> siretart: See launchpad id cyberix <cyberix> Can I post there the source package? <cyberix> I added debian directory to my new upstream release. <cyberix> http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/twruottu/mi2svg/ <siretart> cyberix: did you really read the page I told you to read? <cyberix> I checked with my virtual pen beside every header on the page. <siretart> please look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonPackagingMistakes/ChangingTheOrigTarball, and http://revu.tauware.de <siretart> short: please don't include debian/ dirs in your upstream tarball. and please provide tar.gz as well. <cyberix> I put them there because I wanted to publish them somewhere, so no-one would need to dplicated that work <cyberix> I can't see how having them in upstream tar ball is worse than not having them at all, <jpatrick> cyberix: they should go in the diff.gz <siretart_> cyberix: that doesn't matter. you can still distribute your packaging work in the .diff.gz <siretart_> cyberix: I suggest to not distribute packaging work inside the .orig.tar.gz <LaserJock> yeah, I think the general idea is that someone can go to the dowload site of the app your packaging and download their tarball and use it in the source package <LaserJock> siretart_: I've got a question about reporting bugs to debian. <siretart_> LaserJock: yes? <LaserJock> siretart_: How do we link to our Malone bugs? <LaserJock> siretart_: should we be giving the Malone bug #s when we do a report to BTS? <siretart_> LaserJock: how do we link what? <LaserJock> I'm assuming we are doing a bug report in Debian because we have a bug in Malone <siretart1> LaserJock: that would be nice, but is not required, I'd say. link them by mention the url to the malone bug in the message body <siretart> wtf?! <zakame> huh? <siretart> my primary uplink just died <zakame> gaah <zakame> gn8 all <siretart> gn8 zakame <zakame> :) <ajmitch> morning all <LaserJock> hi ajmitch <bmonty> hey ajmitch <LaserJock> hi bmonty <stratus> ajmitch, :) <bmonty> LaserJock: hows life? <LaserJock> bmonty: busy, got a poster for a conference to work on, etc. <siretart> ajmitch: does fetchmail still work for you on tauware.de? <siretart> morning ajmitch <ajmitch> siretart: it did yesterday, I think? <ajmitch> I'll check <bmonty> LaserJock: I've been busy also...travelling all this week and part of next <siretart> my primary uplink is down atm, and I fiddled with the dns config, to make requests load balance over both uplinks <ajmitch> stratus: I keep trying to post to utnubu-discuss & the mail gets dropped somewhere <siretart> so I'm curious if my config works as expected :) <ajmitch> siretart: nope <ajmitch> siretart: no route to host <ajmitch> stratus: so I can't join in the wonderful discussions ;) <siretart> ajmitch: what does tauware.de resolve for you? and what does 'line2.tauware.de' have as ip? <stratus> ajmitch, are you receiving a error message? if yes, can you send that to me? <LaserJock> bmonty: yeah, but I've been working on the Ubuntu Packaging Guide and I am thinking of trying a kinda large packaging project <ajmitch> stratus: absolutely none <ajmitch> tauware.de A (864)930-0890 <stratus> ajmitch, really weird <bmonty> LaserJock: I've been hacking on my mirror profiler app, but I'm almost ready to give up since someone keeps changing the format of the wiki page :( <stratus> ajmitch, are you subscribed with which email? <ajmitch> stratus: @debian.org <LaserJock> bmonty: which wiki page? <ajmitch> siretart: line2.tauware.de A (864)930-0890 <stratus> ajmitch, ok i'll take a look, wait. <bmonty> LaserJock: wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive <ajmitch> I can try & resubscribe with the ubuntu.com address <siretart> ajmitch: I changed dns config to make tauware.de include both (864)930-0890 and (864)930-0890. the latter is reachable, the former not <LaserJock> bmonty: hmm, weird <ajmitch> siretart: right, so round-robin dns <LaserJock> bmonty: my package had it's first release in 5 years and it involves 3 packages. <ajmitch> it'll resolve properly about half the time? <bmonty> LaserJock: sounds like fun <ajmitch> siretart: or where did you put these 2 addresses? <LaserJock> bmonty: and it looks like the debian maintainer has forgotten about it :-) <bddebian> bmonty!!! <bddebian> bmonty: Haven't "seen" you in a while :-) <bmonty> bddebian: hey long time no see! <ajmitch> hi bmonty, bddebian <siretart> ajmitch: apache/webbrowsers seem really to do 'fail over' in this config. my website works for me fine, on every reload <ajmitch> siretart: but tauware.de is only resolving to the bad ip address for me :) <ajmitch> siretart: it'll be cached in a DNS server somewhere <siretart> ajmitch: (864)930-0890 gives the correct dns data <siretart> (no, this is not my dns server, but the one from nobse ;) <ajmitch> siretart: sure, but there's a long ttl, and any of the dns servers that I use will cache the old data <siretart> right <bmonty> LaserJock: is this another chemistry related package? <siretart> ajmitch: I just wanted to point you how you can reach your email atm: line2.tauware.de * ajmitch just edited .fetchmailrc, it reports no mail <ajmitch> which I find hard to believe <ajmitch> so mail delivery may be broken too? <LaserJock> bmonty: no, it's Scigraphica. A Microcal Origin clone. <ajmitch> mx.tauware.de. 54286 IN A (864)930-0890 <ajmitch> single MX record :) <siretart> ajmitch: I just checked the maildir, it is indeed empty. but mail delivery to tauware is down atm anyway, for obvious reasons ;) <stratus> ajmitch, that's weird but i can't take a look into the admin interface, btw i asked nomeata to do that. <ajmitch> siretart: you haven't added another MX record on the other ip address? <siretart> ajmitch: I added it a few hours before the crash <ajmitch> ah <ajmitch> caching still, perhaps <siretart> no, I didn't knew that the crash will come ;) <ajmitch> haha <bddebian> Heya ajmitch * siretart dinner * ajmitch should sit up the front today & fanboy sabdfl ;) <LaserJock> is he talking? <ajmitch> yes <LaserJock> cool <LaserJock> do you know what about? <ajmitch> well he will be talking, giving his keynote an about an hour <ajmitch> http://lca2006.linux.org.au/abstract.php?id=463 <LaserJock> will it be on the internet at some point? <ajmitch> yes <LaserJock> cool, I really liked the Debconf5 talk <ajmitch> yeah <ajmitch> LCA is an ever bigger conference <ajmitch> yesterday was damien conway talking about perl six, before that was david miller talking about linux networking <stratus> btw, nice talk title <ajmitch> and they're just the keynotes <ajmitch> http://linux.conf.au/program.php <ajmitch> plenty of fun to go around :) <stratus> "Improving Collaboration Between Open Source Projects" <ajmitch> yep <ajmitch> for that was have crack^Wlaunchpad <stratus> i hope they remember about debian^Wother stuff too <ajmitch> so he'll talk about it a little <stratus> s/they/he/ <ajmitch> sure <ajmitch> launchpad is not the one central place, especially being proprietary still :) <LaserJock> is there a plan to eventually release the LP source? <ajmitch> I hope so <ajmitch> I think it's an indefinite plan <Mithrandir> LaserJock: it's being said that we want to do so, at some point, but I think the timeline is not there. <stratus> yes, the point is that we (as a community) needed a entire agency (nasa, anyone?) with multiple launchpads and not only one. <stratus> of course that Canonical shouldn't be the source of all the magical solutions <LaserJock> I hope they get the xml-rpc thing going. I bought the Python Cookbook the other day and it has some info on doing xml-rpc from Python. It looked pretty cool <ajmitch> stratus: I think he sees it as being far more beneficial when a community builds around 1 central instance, until some sort of critical mass sustains it <ajmitch> LaserJock: that's the problem with being closed for now <ajmitch> we can't look at it & submit patches :) <LaserJock> that is what I was thinking <stratus> ajmitch, of course it's a succesful model (sourceforge) but now we need to do the second step. <ajmitch> though I've heard that it'd currently take weeks for someone to actually get in & understand the code <LaserJock> or years in my case :( <stratus> LaserJock, all the webservices thing is cool in this way (xml-rpc, soap, whatever) and python has good tools to play with that <stratus> ajmitch, have you heard about linux kernel? :) <ajmitch> stratus: I think I might have ;) <ajmitch> stratus: I saw linus around LCA a couple of days ago <stratus> ajmitch, what you said about take weeks to understand codes? <ajmitch> stratus: launchpad is a complex zope app, need I say more? ;) <LaserJock> anybody know David Schleef from Debian? <stratus> ajmitch, no i've enough experience with plone and zope is a interesting beast <stratus> LaserJock, no. <ajmitch> stratus: zope 3, actually <ajmitch> LaserJock: I know of him <ajmitch> and have seen him around irc <stratus> ajmitch, is launchpad over zope 3? <ajmitch> stratus: zope 3 is a nice improvement in a number of areas <LaserJock> hmm, I'm trying to figure out if he is MIA <ajmitch> yes, they're using it now <stratus> ajmitch, sure. <ajmitch> LaserJock: I doubt it <stratus> ajmitch, good for the project. <ajmitch> stratus: steve alexander is heavily involved with zope 3 development, as I understand it <ajmitch> and he leads LP development <ajmitch> stratus: btw have you though about joining the debian/ubuntu zope team? ;) <stratus> ajmitch, great all the raw power is there so. <ogra> ajmitch, hey, why has nobody packaged eduplone yet <stratus> ajmitch, i think i mailed debian/ubuntu zope team about something with the latest packages (i need to check what it was exactly) <ajmitch> ogra: because noone has told me about it, and doko is busy? :) <ogra> hehe <ajmitch> stratus: ok, latest packages of what? <stratus> ajmitch, i think that debian/ubuntu zope related stuff is in good shape, no? <ajmitch> I've got a few bugs+patches to file <stratus> ajmitch, plone. <ogra> ajmitch, its already 3 years old, and even i only heard about it yesterday <stratus> i've mailed the ML about a issue that i had with my latest setup <ajmitch> stratus: quite good stuff, we had kobold doing packaging as a google SoC project <stratus> i think it wasn't a bug report but a suggestion, i need to check. <ajmitch> and we've switched to a nicer system for handling product installation <stratus> ajmitch, yes i see that, really cool stuff, atm i think i can help more with bug reports and disturbing with random mails to the ML. <stratus> ajmitch, i've enough stuff todo and a lot more that i won't do (but i need to) in the upcoming months. <ajmitch> stratus: I understand <ajmitch> stratus: my mail that got lost was about me wanting to help out with utnubu & helping to get more packages in, as you have <ajmitch> since I'm one of the few developers (we need more) who's in both camps & isn't working for canonical :) <stratus> ajmitch, in a way i'm the RM of a entire CDD, ogra knows about what i'm talking about. It's cool and i'm having a lot of fun on this project, but it takes a lot of time. <ajmitch> oh, what CDD is this? <ajmitch> ogra: would you like eduplone packaged sometime? :) <stratus> ajmitch, it's called Sacix, it's focused on community telecentres. I work in a non-profit and we've some common goals with edubuntu and others really different. <ajmitch> great :) <stratus> ajmitch, it really is and we're moving the site to a plone based one due to obvious reasons and the need of translated pages. <ogra> ajmitch, yes, sadly i have no clue about zope product packaging ... i tried to get it running already, but somehow it eats more time that it should for a low prio task :/ <ajmitch> ogra: I don't see eduplone as standalone product, but 2 addon products on their site <ajmitch> ogra: zope packaging is easy enough, I'll take a look next week :) <ogra> that'd be so cool :) <ogra> since i currently struggle with some weird moodle security holes, we wont include it for a 3/5 year release <ajmitch> I can't talk on irc much longer this morning, I have to go & psych myself up for listening to talks :) <ogra> so eduplone might be a replacement ... <ogra> go listen ! <ajmitch> hm, I saw some moodle guys around here lately <stratus> oh, but moodle is a interesting piece of code and has really useful features <ajmitch> at least they were wearing a moodle shirt - I know catalyst in NZ supports moodle :) <ajmitch> anyway, I'll be back on irc in a few hours <stratus> there's people using it seriously here in Brazil (and we're too) <LaserJock> I got interested in moodle when I was thinking about having a teaching area for development of contributors for Ubuntu <stratus> ogra, btw i think that we're still on road to a first pkg-ltsp release (in Debian, of course) in the middle of the next month. <stratus> LaserJock, sounds good but it's educational stuff so go with edubuntu and put more workload over ogra. * stratus hides <ogra> heh <stratus> ;) <ogra> we wanted to include it into edubuntu since the beginning <LaserJock> well, I don't know if it would even be a good idea. I just had a braindump when we started MOTU School <ogra> but the vulnerabilitys are simply to much <LaserJock> right, that is what I saw <ogra> for next release i think i'll grab a good bunch from MOTUSience for edubuntu :) <LaserJock> really? <ogra> sure <stratus> ogra, does moodle still needs safe_mode off and all that? I'm not managing the two installations we've here for some time. <ogra> we started with a very small low age distro ... <ogra> this release will rather target mid age but be configurable for younger or older students <LaserJock> I'm trying to fight the science == education stigma (as far as menus are concerned anyway) but it is cool to have stuff there for people. <ogra> so logically next release we'll grow up and have educational apps even for old farts :) <LaserJock> like me :( <ogra> stratus, for some tasks it does <ogra> depends what modules you want to use <stratus> ogra, still crap. <ogra> yup <stratus> ogra, but as i said it's still has some value <stratus> ogra, the module handling and the l18n related code i always point out to the development team here, for reference. <ogra> yup, teachers simply want it ... <ajmitch> ogra: before I go - where can I even download eduplone? I don't see any download links on their site <ajmitch> cvs looks a little stale <ogra> i think they only have cvs for linux <ogra> and a exe with plone included for windows <ogra> both from sourceforge.net <ajmitch> ok <ajmitch> crappy upstream <ajmitch> ogra: devel list has a total of 1 post for 2005 <ajmitch> sorry, 2.. just 1 thread :) <ogra> heh, yes <ogra> but there is a existing irc channel :) <ogra> 3 ppl including me are there :) <ajmitch> wow <ajmitch> I'll look into it later then :) <bddebian> Do we have any wiki page on chroot? <Gloubiboulga> bddebian, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot <bddebian> Gloubiboulga: Thank you <Gloubiboulga> :) <ajmitch> well, looks like the keynote is 1hr later than I thought - to let everyone partially recover from hangovers, no doubt ;) * ajmitch is sitting here at uni beside mpt <KoruptidPryde> does anyone know where I can get the linux headers for 2.6.15-11? <LaserJock> doko: ping? <owner> does ubuntu release their kernel patches for users to apply? <doko> LaserJock: ? <LaserJock> doko: I'm needing vnc so I was trying your packages from malone bug 29428 <Ubugtu> malone bug 29428 in vnc "vnc (and vnc4) ships it's own XFree86 server code" [Normal,Rejected] http://launchpad.net/bugs/29428 <LaserJock> doko: but they failed to build in my dapper pbuilder <doko> these even don't unpack for me ... <LaserJock> doko: wich ones? the ones from Bjoern Brauel seem to have a md5sum problem <LaserJock> doko: I also tried tightvnc but it also has problems <doko> so, yes, it needs some workl <KoruptidPryde> okay...... are they ever going to push ndiswrapper-modules-1.8 to the repo? <LaserJock> doko: anway, is there anything I can do to help? <doko> LaserJock: sure, it looks like nobody is working on tightvnc, maybe start with that one? or subscribe to the bug report, so you see Bjoern's replies? <LaserJock> doko: I'll see what I can do with tightvnc and subscribe to the bugs <doko> LaserJock: thanks! <LaserJock> hmm, something is weird with tightvnc. the diff.gz is 300K <LaserJock> anybody got a minute to help me on something? I can't get tightvnc to build a source package <LaserJock> it looks like it is dying in the clean rule <LaserJock> hmm, this is really frustrating <crimsun> LaserJock: pastebin buildd log? <LaserJock> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7705 is when I do debuild -S on a fresh download of the source package <crimsun> LaserJock: ah, lemme see if I can dig up the fix I used for something similar <LaserJock> crimsun: that would be wonderful, thanks <phanatic> hi people <crimsun> LaserJock: yep, here's the fix from xkeycaps's debian/rules: <crimsun> imake -DUseInstalled -I/etc/X11/config/cf/ \ <crimsun> -D`dpkg --print-architecture` <LaserJock> crimsun: hmm, but I don't know where that would go <crimsun> LaserJock: there should be a $(MAKE) rule in your clean target <LaserJock> crimsun: right <crimsun> the kludge I used is to comment it out and use the above lines <LaserJock> oh, so replace -$(MAKE) clean with ^^ ? <crimsun> you may not even need to comment it out <crimsun> just make sure you have those two lines above your $(MAKE) <LaserJock> or in addition too? <LaserJock> oh, ok. I'll try that <crimsun> try adding it first <crimsun> there's bound to be a much better solution <LaserJock> crimsun: just putting it in before the -$(MAKE) clean didn't help, should I try commenting it out? <crimsun> let me see <crimsun> (I suppose it helps if I log into the correct machine) <LaserJock> lol <crimsun> LaserJock: 1.2.9-8ubuntu1, correct? <LaserJock> crimsun: right <crimsun> LaserJock: the $(MAKE) references are all fine; it's the xmkmf references that screw things up <LaserJock> oh, ok <crimsun> LaserJock: and there's a missing build-dep on the 'makedepend' package <crimsun> LaserJock: comment out all references to xmkmf and replace them with those two lines above <crimsun> (make sure you do the (cd Xvnc; imake [..] ) <LaserJock> ok, just a sec <crimsun> (I presume you're bumping it to debhelper v5, too) <LaserJock> crimsun: beautiful <LaserJock> crimsun: should I (debhelper 5) I just saw the lintian warning <crimsun> it's a good idea to <LaserJock> crimsun: I don't want to mess around with the debian package too much <crimsun> fixing the ftbfs is fine, too <crimsun> :) <LaserJock> but if you think it's ok, I'll do it <crimsun> I generally try to keep deviations from Debian minimal, so if you just want to fix the ftbfs, that's A-OK <LaserJock> ok, well now that I have a source package I can see if it builds :-) #ubuntu-motu 2006-02-02 <crimsun> it does, I pbuilt it before telling the fix <LaserJock> really? I'm still having problems <crimsun> where does it fail? <crimsun> make sure you comment out/alter xmkmf references throughout debian/rules, not just in the clean target <LaserJock> right, I had to do it to the configure rule <LaserJock> but then in the pbuilder it's looking for makedepend but can't find it <LaserJock> I think it might need to be a build-dep <crimsun> 14:50 < crimsun> LaserJock: and there's a missing build-dep on the 'makedepend' package <LaserJock> doh <LaserJock> crimsun: so are you going to upload it? <crimsun> nope, you can :) <crimsun> err, I can with your fixes, sure <crimsun> url to debdiff, yadda yadda <dholbach> good night folks, I'm off too <LaserJock> cya dholbach <dholbach> night LaserJock <crimsun> night daniel <dholbach> night other daniel :) <crimsun> :) <LaserJock> crimsun: well, you did the work. All I had to do was change the xserver-common build dep <crimsun> LaserJock: nah, I just gave you pointers. The original work is yours. <LaserJock> crimsun: well this stinks, I didn't realize that tightvnc depends on vnc-common <crimsun> LaserJock: ? <crimsun> oh, you mean the binary packages depend on it? yep. <LaserJock> crimsun: lol, the whole reason I was working on tightvnc was that vnc4 has issues, but tightvnc depends on vnc4 (at least vnc-common) <LaserJock> crimsun: so I fixed tightvnc (which is way cool) but it doesn't install because vnc-common isn't installable <crimsun> that's interesting. Why are we still using vnc-common instead of vnc4-common? <crimsun> ah, must be stability <crimsun> LaserJock: well, the tightvnc fix is still worth something :) <JohnnyMast> alright i need a motu for a security fix thats pending for like a week now and its a bit important <crimsun> which? <LaserJock> crimsun: ok, the debdiff is at http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/tightvnc_1.2.9-8ubuntu2.debdiff <crimsun> I have a backlog of nearly a dozen I need to whip into shape and fire off <JohnnyMast> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/libast/+bug/29464 <Ubugtu> malone bug 29464 in libast "Buffer overflow in conf.c" [Major,In progress] <JohnnyMast> ty Ubugtu <crimsun> JohnnyMast: ok, I'll look tonight <JohnnyMast> ok good thanks mate <JohnnyMast> cheers <crimsun> LaserJock: hmm, is the auto* cruft in the debdiff absolutely necessary? <LaserJock> crimsun: I sure hope not, but I don't know how to get rid of it <LaserJock> all I changed was changelog, control, and rules in debian/ <crimsun> yeah, the standard auto* cruft being dumped in via debian/rules:clean <LaserJock> crimsun: do you know how to get rid of that? I've seen the config.sub and config.guess cruft in .diff.gz's and I wonder how to get rid of it <crimsun> LaserJock: a wonderful, wonderful tool called filterdiff <crimsun> 'patchutils' package <crimsun> filterdiff -i '*/debian/*' tightvnc_1.2.9-8ubuntu2.debdiff > new.diff <crimsun> (-i is implied, so you don't have to state it) <crimsun> worth adding to the packaging guide, btw <LaserJock> ohhhh, yeah <LaserJock> crimsun: would that work for diff.tar.gz files? <crimsun> diff.gz? yep. <crimsun> -z [..] patch-1.2.3.gz <crimsun> I believe the example in the filterdiff man page uses a patch[..] .gz <LaserJock> ok, cool <LaserJock> should I send you a new patch then? <crimsun> no need, already filterdiffed <LaserJock> ok, thanks <crimsun> uploaded. <LaserJock> crimsun: sweet, now on to vnc4 :( <LaserJock> doko: ping? <LaserJock> oh man, now I see what doko was talking about. A copy of the xorg-server source package is included in the vnc4 package <LaserJock> but of course it isn't the current dapper xorg-server package <LaserJock> crimsun: what's the best way of making a directory with debian/rules? install -d ? <crimsun> LaserJock: personal preference. I generally use whatever's in debian/rules for consistency. Otherwise I use install. <LaserJock> crimsun: ok, thanks <LaserJock> this vnc4 is a bear >:| <crimsun> indeed. May need to rip out the included xorg-server source and reroll a foo.dfsg.orig.tar.gz <crimsun> away for a few hours <KoruptidPryde> does anyone in here still have the kernel headers for 2.6.15-11?? <KoruptidPryde> Amaranth, help meeeeee <Amaranth> with? <KoruptidPryde> Amaranth, I need the kernel headers for 2.6.15-11 <KoruptidPryde> Amaranth, they got deleted off the repo and nobody seems to have them cached <Amaranth> why? just use the latest <KoruptidPryde> I can't <Amaranth> i don't have them <KoruptidPryde> I can't switch to the newest kernel because ndiswrappers is broken in it <Amaranth> ndiswrapper is broken with 2.6.15-14? <Amaranth> how? <KoruptidPryde> I haven't quite gotten the complete answer from anyone yet..... from what dillinger described it was some issue with benc needing to add a patch to the kernel that he didn't do in the last three builds <KoruptidPryde> benc says that the patch will be in -15 but for the moment it means I'm stuck begging for kernel-headers that got deleted from the repo <Amaranth> yeah, and the morgue is dead <Amaranth> was -11 on the flight 3 cd? <KoruptidPryde> the morgue? <KoruptidPryde> Amaranth, noidea... I did a dist-upgrade <Amaranth> the morgue is supposedly supposed to be where packages go after they're removed from the archive <Amaranth> so they're still available but not eating up space on the mirrors <Amaranth> KoruptidPryde: you should download a flight 3 iso, mount it, and see if -11 headers are in it <KoruptidPryde> where does that hide? <KoruptidPryde> and where would the morgue normally be? <Amaranth> morgue.ubuntu.com <Amaranth> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/dapper/flight-3/ <Amaranth> of course, it's a 650MB download for one package <Amaranth> and you might end up having to get flight 2 instead <KoruptidPryde> I'll just download both <KoruptidPryde> so what happened to morgue anyway? <LaserJock> KoruptidPryde: still there? <LaserJock> KoruptidPryde: would <LaserJock> linux-kernel-headers_156.14.161.142-0ubuntu13_i386.deb help? <zakame> afternoon MOTUs :) <LaserJock> hi zakame <zakame> hello LaserJock :) how's the packagingguide going? <LaserJock> it's going, doc.ubuntu.com has the latest <zakame> w00t <sid5400> !list <sid5400> !list <Amaranth> wtf <Amaranth> someone thought this was a warez channel... <zakame> heh <Burgundavia> Amaranth, oh? <Amaranth> yeah, they joined and said "!list" twice, then left <Burgundavia> ah. I know next to nothing about warez <zakame> what would cause uscan to fail with a (Bad protocol: 'tcp') ? <zakame> aanyway, score another for the freetype transition! <LaserJock> what is the current FSF address? <LaserJock> Franklin Street or Temple Place? <LaserJock> anybody out there? <minghua> LaserJock: yes, and the current address is Franklin :-) <LaserJock> minghua: thanks, I went to fsf.org in the mean time ;-) <LaserJock> but it's still nice to know someone is listening :-) <minghua> yeah, thought so, it's not that hard to think of where to look, I suppose <minghua> there are always people listening, don't worry :-) <LaserJock> well, I got confused because there are so many copies of the GPL around <LaserJock> with both addresses <minghua> yeah, my upstream didn't change address either <minghua> it's just quite recently he changed all file headers to match his COPYING file :-P <LaserJock> and I went to gnu.org and they have the franklin address but copyright 1991, which seems a bit old <LaserJock> so I thought maybe they had the old address <LaserJock> well, I'm updating the doc teams version of the GPL since I'm the only one that uses it <LaserJock> and they have the old address <minghua> indeed, I double checked the 1991 date too, didn't believe it at first glance <LaserJock> so they updated the address but not the copyright <minghua> well, I suppose they think the address paragraph is not really part of the license <minghua> anyway, I think there are really enough lawyers and nitpicker looking at GPL that I don't need to worry about it a little bit :-) <LaserJock> right, that is what I was just thinking <minghua> and HONESTLY I don't really see the big point of changing the address, either <LaserJock> yeah, like who actually writes them? <LaserJock> I would email if anything <minghua> I mean, yeah, it is nice to have accurate information, but come on, how many people really write snail mails to FSF asking for GPL copy <minghua> and can't they set up some permernant mail forwarding or something? <minghua> anyway, that's just ranting, perhaps because I spend about 2 hours total on changing all addresses of my packages :-P <LaserJock> hi Kyral <LaserJock> doh <LaserJock> Hi Hobbsee <Hobbsee> hi LaserJock :) <Hobbsee> i'm finally back! <LaserJock> from where? <Hobbsee> adelaide <LaserJock> oh, you were go for a while <Hobbsee> yes <LaserJock> glad to see your back <Hobbsee> thanks :) <ajmitch> evening <Hobbsee> evening ajmitch <ajmitch> dholbach! <dholbach> hello! <mnencia> hi <mnencia> i'm a debian developer, i've a question about debian/ubuntu integration of package. can i ask here? <ajmitch> sure <dholbach> mnencia: yeah, this is the (one of the) right places :-) <mnencia> here https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/libapache2-mod-auth-pgsql/+changelog you can see the cangelog of package libapache2-mod-auth-pgsql, the problem is that the changelog entry for version 2.0.3-1 is missing. <ajmitch> might be a launchpad bug, I'll check the source package <mnencia> i'm tryng to undestand if is my fault, and how to correct these problems in <dholbach> gar, http://packages.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/liba/libapache2-mod-auth-pgsql/libapache2-mod-auth-pgsql_2.0.2b1-6/changelog.txt doesn't have the newest version <ajmitch> it's unlikely to be your fault <ajmitch> dholbach: use changelogs.ubuntu.com <minghua> mnencia: seeing there is -6ubuntu1 version there, I would say it's most likely not your fault <minghua> mnencia: I think some ubuntu people made some mistake on this side <dholbach> launchpad bug <dholbach> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/liba/libapache2-mod-auth-pgsql/libapache2-mod-auth-pgsql_2.0.3-2/changelog <mnencia> minghua: how can i help ubuntu when i'll upload new version of my packages? <ajmitch> dholbach: funnily enough mpt is living only about 2 minutes walk from me now :) <mnencia> dholbach: ok, tnx <dholbach> mnencia: don't worry about the launchpad changelog too much - this part of the infrastructure is heavily worked on this and next week - you might expect better results from then on. <dholbach> Our complete build infrastructure will be administrated via launchpad then. <dholbach> mnencia: Thanks for the headsup. <minghua> mnencia: craighoward@example.net (where searches work ;-), and if it's the same version number (no -XubuntuY stuff), you shouldn't worry too much * dholbach runs off for a dogwalk - see you in a bit. <dholbach> as ajmitch said: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/liba/libapache2-mod-auth-pgsql/libapache2-mod-auth-pgsql_2.0.3-2/changelog is the place to be <dholbach> packages.ubuntu.com has it wrong too (i guess it doesnt sync often) <siretart> moin <ajmitch> minghua: packages.ubuntu.com is out of sync <siretart> aah, line1.tauware.de is back again :) <dholbach> hellas siretart <siretart> huhu dholbach <ajmitch> hey siretart * ajmitch might eventually be able to fetch mail <ajmitch> once my desktop box is alive again <minghua> mnencia: if it indeed is -XubuntuY or an old Debian version, just come here and drop a line or write to the mailing list <minghua> dholbach, ajmitch: thanks for correcting <dholbach> and guys: PLEASE help me check on all the open UVF requests on ubuntu-motu@ <mnencia> ok, tenz <minghua> mnencia: yeah, as they said, use changelogs.ubuntu.com instead <ajmitch> dholbach: I can now that LCA is over <siretart> dholbach: are you at the desktp team sprint in london? <dholbach> I want to let people have a clear answer soon. <ajmitch> mnencia: we'll harass the launchpad guys about their bugs <dholbach> siretart: not yet - tomorrow, I'll take the plane from Luxembourg <siretart> dholbach: lucky you ;) <dholbach> siretart: I'm at my parents place today <siretart> ah <siretart> :) * dholbach -> dogwalk <dholbach> *wave* * siretart waves back <siretart> yay. the first spam arrives again <mnencia> I've another litle question, is there some place in the net where i can requesto to forward me every bug submitted to my packages in ubuntu? <ajmitch> mnencia: at the moment you need to subscribe to each package's bugs on launchpad <mnencia> ajmitch: ok, tnx <ajmitch> eg launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/packagename/+bugs <ajmitch> or something similar <ajmitch> it's very annoying when you have a few debian packages <siretart> perhaps it will be possible to do that with the email interface some day <dholbach> Can't you make yourself a default subscriber to a source package? <dholbach> I should think so. <ajmitch> not sure <siretart> dholbach: yes it is, but you need to do that for every package individually <siretart> and I didn't get any email from those subscription yet anyway, so I'm not sure if it works at all <dholbach> I do get them. <dholbach> (more than I want :/) <siretart> oh, then it works :) <siretart> poor daniel ;) <dholbach> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/<source package>/+subscribe * siretart blinks <siretart> launchpad rollout today? <VoX> is dapper going to incorporate gnome 2.14? <dholbach> VoX: yes, 2.14.1 even <VoX> pwoar <VoX> hotsex <dholbach> yeah <Mithrandir> whiprush: does it hurt? :-) <siretart> slomo: are the sources to ubuntu xine-lib in our svn repo? <slomo> siretart: nope... thanks for reminding, i'll do it tomorrow :) <siretart> slomo: ok <ajmitch_> yay, I've lost sound on my desktop now <thierry> siretart : if you have time could you review my package? libfxruby1.4 <siretart> thierry: sorry, I'm quite busy now. is it really urgent? <thierry> siretart : well what is the date for stopping to get new packages in dapper? if it's like next week, yes it's urgent but if there's no new package allowed in dapper then no it's not urgent <dholbach> thierry: Feb 23 <thierry> ok so siretart, it's not urgent like today but it could be urgent to do it (if you want of course) in the 5-6 next days... <siretart> dholbach: pwlib? so ekiga is comming soon? :) <dholbach> siretart: yes <dholbach> opal needs to go through NEW <siretart> yay! :) <dholbach> pwlib too <dholbach> and openh323 too <dholbach> some rdepends rebuilds <siretart> pwlib has passed NEW <dholbach> ekiga through NEW <dholbach> seed changes for ekiga, ... :) <siretart> about 10 minutes ago <thierry> dholbach : my package libfxscintilla made it to dapper!!! :D my first package <dholbach> Excellent! * dholbach hugs thierry <thierry> now, if someone sends a bug for my package on malone, I'll get a e-mail like if I was subscribing to a bug right? <LaserJock> crimsun: btw, tightvnc is installable and works wonderfully, thanks for the help <thierry> I can't upgrade my chroot, coreutils complains about overwriting a md5sums file... strange <LaserJock> thierry: what kind of chroot? <thierry> dapper <crimsun> LaserJock: great. <crimsun> LaserJock: If you had waited til today to fix it, you wouldn't have had to kludge debian/rules ;) <LaserJock> really? how come? new imake? <crimsun> imake (1:1.0.1-0ubuntu2) dapper; urgency=low * Fix xmkmf config path. -- Fabio M. Di Nitto <craighoward@example.net> Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:38:56 +0100 <LaserJock> thierry: my chroot is upgrading fine, sorry <LaserJock> crimsun: ahhh <thierry> LaserJock : does removing and reinstalling coreutils seems like a good idea? <LaserJock> thierry: hmm, I'm not sure "core" sounds like something you don't want to remove but I'm not sure <thierry> LaserJock : mmm I don't want to break my chroot, but at the same time, I'd like it to work correctly, wich is not the case right now... <LaserJock>
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