#ubuntu-artwork 2005-09-02 <HiddenWolf> hey, look, a crowd! #ubuntu-artwork 2005-09-03 <klepas> anyone home? <bonvenon> klepas: no, it seems to be rather dead in here <klepas> aww <klepas> do you know what happened to the art team as of late? <bonvenon> no. I don't <bonvenon> are you involved in the art work in some way? <klepas> any advice to a newcomer to the project who would like to apply my skills? <klepas> not as of yet <klepas> but I sure would like to <bonvenon> same here ;) <klepas> :-) <klepas> have a site with some examples on it? <bonvenon> not really. <bonvenon> how about you? <klepas> that's alright <klepas> yea - m' personal site (blog and whatnot) <klepas> interested? <bonvenon> sure. (i've got one of those too) ;) <bonvenon> url? <klepas> http://wombat.nuxified.com/work <klepas> there is more scattered amongst the blog <bonvenon> ahaha! australia indeed! http://wombat.nuxified.com/node/46 <klepas> yea <klepas> where are you from? :-) <bonvenon> sweden <bonvenon> I just downloaded the jedilinux svg. <klepas> now that's closer to where I was born :-) <klepas> oh, hehe :-) <klepas> that was fun to make! <bonvenon> I really like the illustration, but I think you could work more with the typography <klepas> yea <klepas> agreed <klepas> please, by all means, do improve <klepas> :-) <klepas> typography I prefer in gimp <bonvenon> I think it would be great with the text hand written <klepas> probably <klepas> I don't have a good graphics tablet <bonvenon> hmm... I might give it a try <klepas> sure <klepas> so long as you show me afterwards :-) <bonvenon> of course <klepas> :-) <bonvenon> what exactly is the Jedilinux? <bonvenon> oh. it's a linux dist, right? <klepas> JediLinux is a small linux distro set into motion by a couple of inquisitive guys from linuxforums.org <klepas> it is source based like gentoo and slack <klepas> hence the "may the source be with you" and "be the master of your system" :-) <bonvenon> :) <klepas> but I'm happy with my suse and ubuntu system * netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> brown.freenode.net * netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> kornbluth.freenode.net * netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> kornbluth.freenode.net #ubuntu-artwork 2005-09-04 <volvoguy> hey ogra, are you a canonical person or a community person? <klepas> anyone home? :o) <daeb> Llo' <daeb> Smbdy here ? <daeb> awake ? <daeb> hi #ubuntu-artwork 2005-09-05 * ..[topic/#ubuntu-artwork:rob^] : Why is there no topic here? <rob^> oh <daeb> Helo <daeb> != <daeb> llmanulll hi ! <daeb> nobody r <klepas> anyone home? <daeb> Me <daeb> :) <daeb> ... <daeb> klepas ? <klepas> yep <klepas> How's it going? <daeb> fine.. and u ? <daeb> liltle streesy <daeb> :) <klepas> little streesy will ease down for me now <klepas> stress would describe my last week and a half :-) <daeb> would say stress... <daeb> :) <daeb> it's my turn this week <daeb> :x <klepas> do you know what's happened to the ubuntu art community? <daeb> Completly desintegrated by Pluto's Alien i think... <daeb> I'm looking for them <daeb> disapeared ? <daeb> pff <daeb> need some words or infos i can only fiund here <klepas> I'm trying to join them... <daeb> but no one answer... <daeb> keep on trying... <daeb> :) <klepas> hehe <daeb> mmake somth like 2 days i try <daeb> :) <klepas> I'll ask over the mailing list or something <daeb> i contacted lllmanulll he is smtime here <klepas> I want to give the splash screen go :-) <klepas> for breezy <klepas> got a site or somesuch? <daeb> erf <daeb> splash screen... <daeb> it's fashoin <daeb> it's fashion <daeb> :) <klepas> yep <klepas> got a page of them <daeb> DIdi you look too the Ubuntu community pages ? <klepas> http://wombat.nuxified.com/work <klepas> as in the wiki - yep <daeb> U know there is a lot of work for icons or wallpapers too... <daeb> ok <klepas> wallpapers and splash screens are my favourite <daeb> and did you go to the launchpad for subscription ? <daeb> kie <daeb> icons suxx ? lol <daeb> very nice banneer :) <klepas> yep <daeb> compliments <klepas> have been to launchpad <klepas> thanks <daeb> wanna see mine ? <klepas> sure :-) <daeb> so wait for mails llisted <daeb> Gimp splash is very beautiful <daeb> good concepts !!! <daeb> what is AMAROK ? <daeb> http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/555/imgs/wallpaper/wallpaper_fresh_linux.jpg <klepas> amarok is the flashiest media player <daeb> http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/555/imgs/wallpaper/xenoscape_l.jpg <daeb> Ahh i thought it was a media Os <klepas> for KDE <daeb> :( <daeb> Okie i see <klepas> but demands a lot of cpu <klepas> I don't use it m'self <daeb> i'm dl by bittorent the last ubuntu.. it's very long pff <klepas> however cool for showing off <daeb> okie see <klepas> cool wallpapers <daeb> you liie ? It's very old anyway <daeb> i'vce got some better but published for the moment <klepas> I liked the xenoscape one <daeb> thx <daeb> take take take :) <daeb> and distributed <klepas> I've got dinner <daeb> and distribute ! <klepas> lol <klepas> :-) <daeb> eat well :) <klepas> yup <klepas> cheers <klepas> :-) <daeb> bone app' <daeb> :) <ogra> hey volvoguy <volvoguy> howdy. <volvoguy> what's up? <ogra> you had a question the other day ? <volvoguy> oh yeah. i just couldn't remember if you were a Canonical person or not. <ogra> i am... <volvoguy> our lack of server is getting pretty silly at this point. <volvoguy> the last i heard, jeff waugh was looking into the art.gnome.org code for us to use. that was at least a few weeks ago. <ogra> i cant do much about that.. you must contact elmo... but he's very busy and not very responsive currently... <volvoguy> hmm... i don't even know that name yet. <ogra> who cared for the server stuff until now ? <ogra> hmm... AndyFitz promised me a fresh icon tarball.... nothing in my mail yet <volvoguy> nobody. that's kinda the problem. about a month ago, jane siber said our hardware was ready and asked what we wanted on it. we (andy and i) asked for the art.gnome.org code and CVS/subversion. i haven't heard anything since. <volvoguy> andy's on yahoo messenger right now if you want to bug him. :o) <ogra> hmm, if the HW is ready, its rather a hno73 issue... <volvoguy> i'll try jane one more time since she seems to be my point of contact. maybe she can poke somebody into getting things done. <ogra> i'm just trying to get hno over here <volvoguy> we were hoping to have our own art site up and running and be able to pick and choose artwork to promote for breezy. now we're less than a month away from breezy's deadline and the icons are the only thing we have to work with. :-\ <ogra> he's on the phone... <ogra> i think he'll com here soon.. <volvoguy> ok. i can hang out a few more minutes. just took a bunch of pain meds, so i'll be asleep soon. <ogra> oki <volvoguy> want me to ask andrew about a fresh icon tarball? <ogra> hi hno73 <volvoguy> howdy hno73! <ogra> the art team has some questions about their server :) <ogra> thanks for coming btw <volvoguy> even a status report would be nice. :) <ogra> volvoguy, i can ask Andy myself, no need to rush... <volvoguy> ogra, ok. * hno73 is still on the phone <volvoguy> hno73, so you know what's going on... Jane Siber told me a few weeks ago that our hardware was ready. The last I heard, Jeff W. was looking into using the art.gnome.org website as a starting point for ours (so apache, database, maybe php), and we're also in need of a versioning system. andrew and jeff know more about that than i do though. <volvoguy> hno73, no rush. i'll be around for a few minutes. :) thanks. <volvoguy> ogra, if i fall asleep, you know as much as i do now. :) andrew probably has a bit more insight as well. <volvoguy> oh thank you. i have toothpicks propping my eyelids open. :) <hno73> uhm, do you guys read the art mailing list? ;) <volvoguy> yep. <hno73> I have a server set up and the site is nearly done. see: http://+1-226-633-4109/ <hno73> It's a different server from the one Jane and Jeff were talking about <hno73> This one is not in our own data centre <ogra> but looks great already <volvoguy> cool. i don't remember any emails about it, but i'm glad to see it's getting done! <hno73> It's an external box, which means we can be a bit more relaxed about security <hno73> My plan is to have it completely done and launched by Friday <volvoguy> sounds good. i don't know if the art.gnome.org guys have any kind of admin interface, but andrew, myself and probably ogra should probably have some kinda access to it. <volvoguy> excellent! <hno73> I have one show-stopping problem though. See: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/artweb-list/2005-August/msg00012.html <hno73> volvoguy: yeah, email me and I'll give you access <volvoguy> hno73, ok. will do. <hno73> any MySQL/PHP experts here? :) <hno73> I can give you guys accounts on the server itself to, for putting up static pages or whatever <AndyFitz> hno73, not an expert . but I can grok a good drupal lol <volvoguy> some PHP. i'm not conscious enough to look at the source right now though. (up all night and just took pain meds). i'll be back home and awake in 6-8 hour. <hno73> OK, so basically the site works for uploading now, just not for 'promoting' stuff to be visible on the site <hno73> First one to figure it out gets a star :) <volvoguy> do you mean automatically promoting it, or can't you get them to display at all (manually)? <hno73> volvoguy: I cant get it to display at all ATM <volvoguy> ok <hno73> It's probably trivial though ... <hno73> once I find it <volvoguy> i'll be having dinner with a mysql/php expert before friday, so when i have access to it i'll pick his brain a bit. :) <hno73> just register on the site and I'll make you admin so you can play around <volvoguy> ok <hno73> hopefully the gnome art people will just answer my post <hno73> that would be the easiest :) <volvoguy> i'm registered. <volvoguy> have you tried their IRC channel? <volvoguy> they seemed to be pleased that we wanted to use some of their stuff. <hno73> thanks, I'll try that <hno73> OK, I've promoted you <volvoguy> i think they are #gnome-art on irc.gnome.org <volvoguy> cool. <AndyFitz> irc.gimp.org <hno73> got to URL/admin <volvoguy> ahh. thanks AndyFitz. <hno73> AndyFitz: will you register as well while we're at it? <hno73> oh, I see the skin is broken on the admin pages <volvoguy> ok. i need to go before i start drooling on the keyboard. thanks for stopping by hno73, it's much appreciated! i'll be back to chat in a few hours. <hno73> volvoguy: ok, np <volvoguy> later everyone! <AndyFitz> hno73, sure thing <daeb> Hi ppl <daeb> Smbdy here ? <daeb> lllmanulll ? <lllmanulll> Yep <lllmanulll> I'm here <daeb> COmmentr sa roule ? <daeb> Hi how r u ? <daeb> Drawing ? <daeb> AndyFitz can i help for Ub. Icons ? <lllmanulll> Huh <lllmanulll> Coding :) <daeb> Erf... Summer of code again.. <lllmanulll> Struggling with that autoconf/automake mystery <lllmanulll> By the way, about icons, I'd love to help on applications icons <daeb> Autoconf ? Automake ? Tryu another langage i don't speak chinese... I only Know Automount ;) <daeb> :) <daeb> lol <lllmanulll> Which doesn't seem to appear on the roadmap page <lllmanulll> Hehe, don't laugh, I do speak Chinese :-p <daeb> YTup everybody -> http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/555/imgs/draw/totonixtx.jpg <daeb> lllmanulll it's purpose is to compile ? <daeb> i need AndyFitz <daeb> i need an example of his icon set for ubuntu to look if i can help <lllmanulll> daeb, Yes, automatically create Makefiles and configure scripts so that everything goes well for compiling, on several kinds of systems <daeb> i'm volunteer to draw the System/peripheral/Hardware set of icons <daeb> :) <daeb> just as install.exe... <daeb> :) <lllmanulll> daeb, Don't know where to find that, but you can install Ubuntu if you haven't, and download the humility package <daeb> or setup <lllmanulll> Well that's for installing programs, this is more general, including compilation <daeb> i see <daeb> ./make conf <daeb> ./ocnfigure <daeb> oops <daeb> :) <lllmanulll> Nearly :) <daeb> i have to install the new ubuntu... I tried some month ago the Hoary... 4 <daeb> Now i'm DL the latest. <daeb> but bittorrent su** <daeb> transfert rate = some bananas... <lllmanulll> You can download it from the main servers ? <lllmanulll> No need for bittorrent, if it doesn't work <daeb> no i tought it could be great by bttorr <lllmanulll> You can try Breezy, Colony 3 <daeb> woaw ? <daeb> A new 1 <daeb> or a beta 1 <daeb> ? <daeb> where can i find THE latest ? <lllmanulll> Hmm <lllmanulll> Well <lllmanulll> If you want a very stable system <lllmanulll> It's better to install Hoary <lllmanulll> Which is version 5.04 <daeb> What's the best way for DL THE latest most - stable - then ? <daeb> Hoary... yep, 5.04 <lllmanulll> But if you want newer stuff, and don't care to see a few things broken somtimes, Breezy is great <daeb> I need <daeb> Breezy ? <daeb> what's the version ? pre-alpha ? lol ? <daeb> I want breezy too <daeb> :) <daeb> nono i just need hoary then breezy will come later... <lllmanulll> daeb, As you wish, you can also update from Hoary to breezy without reinstalling <daeb> i'm not afraid of installing or bored with partioning for linux, i just want a stable oS to listen and draw some... <daeb> Can i upgrade without a connexion ? <daeb> after ? <lllmanulll> daeb, Breezy is fairly stable <daeb> okie.. where can i find it ? <daeb> is ther a page ? <lllmanulll> Hmm Google :) <lllmanulll> Try ubuntu breezy colony 3 cd <daeb> ubuntulinux ? <lllmanulll> Something like that <daeb> colony ? what is ? <ogra> a group of badgers is a colony ;) <lllmanulll> Haha <lllmanulll> Right :) <ogra> dont laug, thats the cause for this name ;) <daeb> Yahoo ? <daeb> lol <daeb> hi ogra <lllmanulll> Oh, I didn't know that :) <ogra> a group of hedgehogs is an array... thats why the hoary CDs were called array <daeb> I found it ! nice i didn't notice on the original site there was words a bout (?) <daeb> a colony of hedgehogs <daeb> :) <ogra> heh <daeb> no DVD now for Breezy ? <daeb> no addons ? <ogra> there will be a DVD containing all of main .... <ogra> as there was for hoary <daeb> ok... i will reuse the 5.04 supp. apps <daeb> :) <daeb> ogra do you make somthiing with the Art team ? <ogra> i only package your stuff ... <ogra> somebody has to get it in ;) <daeb> My... ? <daeb> Yes so you're welcome ! <daeb> :) <daeb> better be in good terms with you.. <daeb> I didn't produce anything for now but i'm really interested in participate... <daeb> i can make a lot of thing, but i need something like.. hem.. a ''boss'' :) <daeb> for instructions <daeb> :) <daeb> erf <ogra> volvoguy or AndyFitz lead the art team... i guess they know where to point you... <daeb> they are from USA... then my connexion time is not the same, i missed Volvo Guy and AndyFitz get somewhere else for now... away (so far) <daeb> :) <daeb> you too ? <daeb> I left a msg <daeb> but... I can focus their intention, i'm just a lill scrapy Irc newbie here :) <daeb> (and anywhere else ?) <ogra> try playing with the splash or make some wallpaper work for a start, i think there is still nobody working on... <daeb> splash ? Wallpapers ? I got some ideas .. ok... i accept anything (:) <ogra> just start, be creative ;) <daeb> I can show you some works i did if you want <daeb> i can be very creative, but i think for a projects there are rules and lines to follow (styles, colors, themes...) <ogra> i dont think we'll change the metacity or gtk themes for now... so there could only be color changes ... <daeb> ok <daeb> for the splash, i don't know how the software work.. i can only give sketches or ... Picts <ogra> i think AndyFitz wrote something up on the wiki... there are several pages about artwork rules <daeb> nothing animated, <ogra> the splash is only a background image for the loading process... the animations are done by gnome session... <ogra> so you only have to make the background pic <ogra> even for this there must be rules on the wiki anywhere <daeb> understood <daeb> i search <daeb> is the.png format of photoshop equals to the gimp one ? (no worries about the tools used ?) <lllmanulll> ogra, is the team working on applications icons as well ? <daeb> lllmanulll yes... <daeb> there is a lot to do about the icons <lllmanulll> ogra, I'm working on the gnome-panel as a developper, my work being try to make it look better -- and redesigning some of the apps icons would really enhance this part of the screen <daeb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopArtwork <lllmanulll> I see <lllmanulll> This page here <lllmanulll> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HumilityIcons <daeb> lllmanulll what the purpose of the redesign ? <lllmanulll> talks about GNOME icons <ogra> lllmanulll, i'm not up to date about the icon status <lllmanulll> Not apps icons, so I'm not sure which ones I should work on, not to duplicate other people's work <ogra> lllmanulll, talk to AndyFitz ... <lllmanulll> daeb, Hiding admin menu entries to non-admin users, redesigning the "add to panel" dialog, addind a small separator applet, a startup notification, etc. <lllmanulll> ogra, Thanks, I'll wait for him here :) <ogra> yup <daeb> me too <daeb> i need an icon exemple <daeb> Oh my god... 0.1% of the badgers pff #ubuntu-artwork 2005-09-06 <miketech> Hi <kafeine> hello <miketech> have just seen the ubuntu artwork variation of art.gnome.org <miketech> when will art.ubuntu.com be online? <kafeine> it's a good question * ..[topic/#ubuntu-artwork:AndyFitz] : why is the ubuntu font not packaged ? <klepas> moin <miketech> Hi <klepas> :-) <lllmanulll> Hey there, anyone can give me a status on *applications* icons ? I'd love to help, since i saw lots of applications icons look ugly when enlarged, on my system <lllmanulll> And there seems to be no applications icons in the Humility icon project <klepas> I'd love to tell you, but I'm somewhat after the answer m'self too... :-( <lllmanulll> All right, let's wait for somebody more informed :) <klepas> we might be waiting for a long time <klepas> someone told me the art team got reformed <klepas> or something along those lines <lllmanulll> oh, well * ..[topic/#ubuntu-artwork:ogra] : why is the ubuntu font not packaged ? it is ! install ttf-ubuntu-title on breezy ;) <lllmanulll> Then I guess I'll start working on these icons anyway :) <klepas> good luck :-) <klepas> show us what you've got afterwards :-) <lllmanulll> Thanks <lllmanulll> I'll put this on a webpage <klepas> Sure <klepas> got one now? <lllmanulll> Yep, but no icons on it yet <klepas> linky? <lllmanulll> I've been working on the gnome-panel <klepas> :-) <lllmanulll> Here : <lllmanulll> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnomePanelEnhancementsIdeas <lukacu> lllmanulll: please update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HumilityIcons when you start working ... to "reserve" the icon/icons :) <lllmanulll> lukacu, I'd love to, but I'll be working on applications icons, and these are not listed on this page... <lukacu> you can add them ... <lllmanulll> Oh, all right :) <lllmanulll> But is this page still relevant ? <lllmanulll> It seems that the team is not very active... <lllmanulll> Is it ? <klepas> that panel stuff is really darn good <klepas> userfriendly, usable and logic ideas <klepas> ought to be implemented :-) <klepas> hope they appear in breezy <ogra> lllmanulll, doe the sudo stuff work ? <ogra> does even <lllmanulll> Thanks ! :) <lllmanulll> Yes, it works on Ubuntu <lllmanulll> It is simply based on the admin group <ogra> great :) its an essential bit for edubuntu.... <klepas> nice <lllmanulll> But I'm still speaking with people from freedesktop to let it inside their specs <klepas> cool <klepas> keep us updated <klepas> ;-) <lllmanulll> Sure :) <lukacu> lllmanulll: dont know ... ive started it because there was a need for sychronisation of work ... perhaps if somebody starts using it it will become active <lllmanulll> All this stuff will indeed appear in breezy, except maybe the separator and the notification <klepas> any of you follow the kde-artists? <lllmanulll> lukacu, All right, I'll use it :) <klepas> because, sadly kde-artists mailing list just underwent a flamewar <klepas> :-( <rob^> hey theres a title now :) <klepas> yea <klepas> can't say it's exactly art related, but what the hey - it's a title nonetheless :-P <rob^> well its more meaningful then the one I set <rob^> is there even an art team yet? <rob^> I mean, I have to blame someone for the abundance of brown.. <klepas> "rob^: is there even an art team yet?" - yea, I've been looking for something like that - have yet to find one <klepas> lol :-) <rob^> I might do some poking around, see what turns up <klepas> keep me tuned <klepas> if it's no trouble <klepas> :-) <rob^> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtTeam?highlight=%28art%29 * rob^ turns ugly highlighting off <klepas> highlighting still on <rob^> just remove everything after ? <rob^> oh, including the ? <klepas> yea, I did :-P <miketech> hi <lllmanulll> Hey there <lllmanulll> Have a few propositions for a Firefox icon <lllmanulll> http://www.manucornet.net/GNOME/icons/mozilla-firefox-normal.png <lllmanulll> http://www.manucornet.net/GNOME/icons/mozilla-firefox-blink.png <lllmanulll> http://www.manucornet.net/GNOME/icons/mozilla-firefox-small.png <lllmanulll> http://www.manucornet.net/GNOME/icons/mozilla-firefox-foxonly.png #ubuntu-artwork 2005-09-07 <lllmanulll> I made a few tries and designed a few icons, here : <lllmanulll> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnomePanelEnhancementsIdeas <lllmanulll> (bottom of the page) <lllmanulll> Still need to be downsized for the non-vector ones, but the basic is there <Obz> ehlo <volvoguy> hi all! what's happenin'? <lllmanulll> Well <lllmanulll> Not much :) <volvoguy> well let's get to work! *snap, snap* :o) <lllmanulll> I did make a few icons today <lllmanulll> But nothing fantastic :) <lllmanulll> Anyway, is the team really active ? <volvoguy> excellent. are you keeping in touch with andrew about getting them in the official package? <lllmanulll> Hmm, not yet, actually I just began this <lllmanulll> Couldn't really find someone to tell me what icons to make, since I'd like to concentrate on applications icons <volvoguy> we really need to be active. i think Jeff W's email on the list confirmed that. we've just been slacking off (probably my fault) while we waited for our server to be put in place. <lllmanulll> Ah, right, I first to need to subscribe to this list :) <lllmanulll> Maybe you could give me your opinion about my first icons ? :) <volvoguy> lllmanulll, are you on the mailing list? i don't see andrew in here very often, so that's probably the best way to get his attention. <lllmanulll> I'll do that <volvoguy> mailing list is here - http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art <lllmanulll> Actually I was working on code until now (for the gnome panel) <volvoguy> cool! <volvoguy> honestly, i'm not sure what the best way is to collaborate on the icons right this second. you almost have to ask andrew where he needs help. i know mime types are really lacking right now. <lllmanulll> That's it, subscribed ! Thanks <volvoguy> excellent. <lllmanulll> I also made these : <lllmanulll> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnomePanelEnhancementsIdeas <lllmanulll> See bottom of the page <lllmanulll> Any of them can actually be usable ? <volvoguy> quite possible. have you seen the "humility" icon theme that will be the default in breezy? <lllmanulll> Yes, I'm using it right now <volvoguy> good, good. i think while we're waiting for CVS/subversion/whatever, the best thing to do is submit ideas (and links to examples if you have them) to the mailing list. if we run into a really pressing issue, we'll try to get everybody in here for a meeting. <lllmanulll> All right, I might be posting the link above to the list, then ? <volvoguy> i actually got a laptop from canonical for the laptop testing team, and to use on the couch (really bad back problems). unfortunately i got a spankin' new laptop that Ubuntu doesn't like so far, so i haven't got much done lately. <volvoguy> yeah. i would post that link and say you created the icons at the bottom... then ask generally (or Andrew specifically) what areas in the icon set need the most work. <lllmanulll> All right <volvoguy> Andrew is kinda like the boss of the icon set. i know that one major thing he strives for is to only use colors from the ubuntu palette - then do overlays of black and white transparency to do shading. that's probably his most strict "rule". <lllmanulll> Ah right, my icons will probably need a bit of color work then <volvoguy> probably a little. that's why i don't have much done either - it's not easy to restrict yourself to such a small palette! :) <lllmanulll> Right... <volvoguy> hey miketech. are you awake in here? <volvoguy> i found out yesterday that Canonical HAS been working on our server, and that they're using art.gnome.org as the codebase for the website. "we have the technology. we can rebuild it". :) miketech, do you know what else we might need to do to become a "repository" in your gnome-art app? <klepas> moin <whiprush> volvoguy: ping <volvoguy> yo whiprush. <klepas> :-) <volvoguy> what's up? <klepas> thanks for clearing up the art team issue for me volvo <whiprush> volvoguy: hust got your mail <whiprush> lemme digest it <klepas> Yea <volvoguy> i do what i can. :) <klepas> I was the guy who asked <klepas> :-) <klepas> Sorry to hear about your back though <volvoguy> we're glad to have ya. <volvoguy> thanks. it sucks, but i'll live. :) <klepas> :-) <klepas> I'm new to helping out with Ubuntu <klepas> I've been reading through the wiki <volvoguy> i'll probably just need to disappear for about a month post-surgery. <klepas> especially in relation to joining, doing doc and art <klepas> ouch <whiprush> volvoguy: heh, try ubuntu.secs.oakland.edu for an ubuntu mirror. :p <whiprush> But yeah, I can provide anything you need. <whiprush> svn, svn, or bzr, whatever. <whiprush> er, cvs, svn, or bzr is what I meant to say <volvoguy> well, this group seems to be slow going right now. hopefully Jeff's comments will get people motivated. <whiprush> I am here to help! <klepas> ditto <volvoguy> I know Andrew (the icon guy) and Jeff Waugh have talked about bazzar, but I have no idea what the status is right now. <whiprush> So you don't go under until nov then right? Surely we can hang out before then. <klepas> bazzar? <klepas> http://www.volvoguy.net is heavily outdated... <volvoguy> yep. november 4th. i get to be cut open and turned into the bionic man. well... some screws and steel cables in my spine. that's better that missing discs though i think. <klepas> last blog entry october last yea <whiprush> volvoguy: we should meet irl soon then. <whiprush> Our loco has like 30 people <whiprush> we could help. <volvoguy> klepas, yeah.... when i get the time to work on the computer these days i'm using working on artwork or laptop (curses) stuff. <klepas> curses or courses? :-) <volvoguy> whiprush, excellent. i'm sure i can manage something this weekend or next week. my schedule is clear until the surgery now i think. <volvoguy> klepas, curses. I got a Canonical laptop but it's too new for Linux. It has hardware RAID, SATA hard drives and a PCI express video card. none of which work with Ubuntu at the moment. <klepas> a canonical laptop - what exactly makes it a canonical one? <volvoguy> oh... and bazzar (from what i understand) is Canonical's own software versioning system like CVS, Subversion and the like. <whiprush> volvoguy: next saturday we're doing an installfest at oakland to celebrate software freedom dasy <whiprush> er, day <volvoguy> klepas, they bought it for me. :) <whiprush> but we could meet earlier, I got a comfy, back-safe couch in my office. <volvoguy> whiprush, oooh. cool. i'll be there for that! <whiprush> volvoguy: www.ubuntudetroit.org <volvoguy> couches work too. :) <klepas> ah, finally it's Friday <volvoguy> whiprush, nice... someone (maybe you?) mentioned the detroit site the day it launched i think and it was down at the time. i keep forgetting to visit. <whiprush> heh <volvoguy> nice header. :) <whiprush> well, dude we've got plenty of members in the area, if you need any kind of help then please ping me. <whiprush> It's all about community <whiprush> so if you need anything from us then let us know <whiprush> we're here to help. <volvoguy> i appreciate it! i haven't been to an MDLUG meeting in years. :) <whiprush> 2~heh <whiprush> they kind of suck <whiprush> you need to go to mug. <volvoguy> yeah. they kinda scared me. <whiprush> don't worry dude, we're on a 2 year plan <volvoguy> hanging out in SGI's building was kinda cool though. <whiprush> the plan is to become such a huge community that sabdfl has to visit us. <volvoguy> woohoo! <whiprush> we do need to meet before nov though <volvoguy> you know, the next conference is in canada. <whiprush> because I'm going to montreal for the next dev conference <volvoguy> cool. :) <whiprush> so I need to get your concerns about whatever <whiprush> so I can present them to the devs <volvoguy> when is that again? <whiprush> first week of nov <volvoguy> doh! <whiprush> shitty timing <whiprush> either way, it's crappy that we haven't linked up yet. <whiprush> you'd dig our loco, we got a good thing going on <volvoguy> sabdfl would have to pay my way anyway. although likely being involved in two teams now, i knew the medical stuff would screw it up. <volvoguy> do you mostly do stuff on OU's campus? <whiprush> ya <whiprush> we're doing lots of linux stuff now <volvoguy> cool. <whiprush> my hope is that the U will fund a group to go to every ubuntu conference. <volvoguy> can you get me some scholarships? <volvoguy> :) <whiprush> :p I wish <whiprush> I'm thinking in the short term that we should link up and Do Great Things(tm) <whiprush> and things like sponsorship end up taking care of themselves. <volvoguy> this workers comp stuff is a bunch of BS. before the surgery decision yesterday they were planning on handing me over to a vocational counselor to decide what jobs i could do with major pain and addicted to narcotics. yeah... right. <whiprush> hey so you think you're healthy enough to meet sometime this week? <klepas> whoa. <whiprush> I'm flexible to whatever needs you have <volvoguy> it might have to be a last-minute-play-it-by-ear kinda thing, but i'm sure i could manage something this week. <whiprush> rocking. <whiprush> we have lots to discuss. <volvoguy> klepas, yeah... i don't think i'd even want to work for the company that would hire me in this condition. <whiprush> maybe find you some work that doesn't screw you over. :p <volvoguy> hey, if someone could help me beat this laptop into shape, i'd be happy. <whiprush> volvoguy: I'm basically stuck at work for most of the time with the semester just starting, so just im or mail me and I'll round up the local ubuntu crew to wherever you want to meet. <klepas> volvoguy: for an idea of the sort of art I enjoy doing, and would like to do for Ubuntu (taking in mind their nice colour palette) see this - http://wombat.nuxified.com/work <whiprush> as long as they have beer. <klepas> lol :-) <volvoguy> beer and narcotics are a nice mix. as long as you drive. ;) <whiprush> we can arrange drives <whiprush> that's the best part. :p <volvoguy> klepas, nice stuff! i dig the earthy tones. :) <klepas> yea <klepas> I actually use Suse and KDE the most <volvoguy> whiprush, where's the best place to IM you? <klepas> being the system I was first introduced to, have learned to hack somewhat and yea <klepas> but I love Ubuntu <klepas> :-) <volvoguy> klepas, when the art website opens, there will be a dedicated section for kubuntu. the best of both worlds. :) <whiprush> volvoguy: linda89@example.com for gtalk or whiprush on aim <whiprush> linda89@example.com or linda89@example.com for mail <klepas> hehe <klepas> nice <klepas> but I love gnome too <klepas> Ubuntu would be the system of choice for a laptop <klepas> whenever I get one <volvoguy> whiprush, added ya on AIM. I'm awaite32 there. <klepas> :-) <whiprush> okey <whiprush> man dude, suse. <whiprush> it's like they try to turn off gnome users on purpose. <klepas> I like my Suse box. <klepas> Howcome? <whiprush> the desktop is just not put together well <klepas> Suse's Gnome has a lot of cool features <whiprush> none of the icons match <whiprush> the menus are a mess <volvoguy> Suse used to be really gnome-centric didn't it? <klepas> and they are trying to get Ximian on Suse <klepas> vovloguy: yea, years back though <volvoguy> i actually BOUGHT SuSE Pro about a week before the Warty preview came out. doh! <klepas> lol <whiprush> heh <klepas> what version? <klepas> 9.3? <klepas> :D <volvoguy> ummm. (looks for box propping up the printer) <whiprush> volvoguy: we're a suse mirror now too, opensuse.secs.oakland.edu <klepas> cool <klepas> yea, opensuse is just sweet <volvoguy> i forget. it was the first release after the novell buyout. <klepas> the release date for Suse 10 (yep, from 9.3 to 10.0!! :-D ) has been moved closer by weeks at a time due to the massive input by the opensuse project <klepas> ah, 9.2 if I recall correctly <volvoguy> wow. you mean opensource works?! hehe. <whiprush> heading to bed <whiprush> nite guys <volvoguy> ok. catch you soon whiprush! <whiprush> ok <whiprush> hope to meet you soon! <volvoguy> ditto. <volvoguy> yeah. 9.2 sounds about right. <klepas> nn whiprush :-) <volvoguy> it took them so long to deliver it that they upgraded me from standard to pro... but by the time it got here i was already using Ubuntu and I never even installed it. <volvoguy> but it's all good. i've been using linux for almost ten years, so it was about time they got a little money from me. :) <volvoguy> yeah... i definitely like your color schemes klepas. <klepas> hehe <klepas> yea <klepas> we usually purchase every major release <klepas> 8.x, 9.x <volvoguy> i remember installing slackware entirely from floppies. man i feel old. <klepas> whoa! <klepas> hey, just a quick question <volvoguy> sure. <klepas> I've got a friend on the line who knows his fair share of PHP and MySQL etc. <klepas> I asked him whether he was interested in helping out on art.ubuntu.com <klepas> he just wants to know how much there is to do <klepas> and if he could do only a bit <klepas> [if there was heaps[ <volvoguy> well, i don't have access to the server directly yet myself, so i haven't seen the damage yet. the "definitely not live" site is sitting here right now - http://+1-226-633-4109/ <klepas> yup <volvoguy> from what i've heard, submissions aren't actually making it to the database yet, and therefore don't get displayed anywhere. <klepas> I've got to run <klepas> sadly <klepas> gave my friend the url <klepas> he'll have a look <volvoguy> ok. i'm going to try to be around quite a bit this weekend. we'll talk soon. <klepas> sure <klepas> I intend to check back <klepas> thanks again <klepas> expect a reply on the mailing list soon <klepas> and by Sunday I hope to have done a splash screen image <klepas> or 2 <klepas> :-) <volvoguy> excellent! check the archives too.... someone submitted a pretty cool GDM spash concept. <klepas> yea, saw that <klepas> it look awesome <klepas> I might build on from it <volvoguy> cool. <klepas> any idea where I can get the source for that file? <klepas> (gimp xcf for eg.) <volvoguy> ask on the list. i don't know if the author is sharing yet. <klepas> yup <klepas> anyhoo <volvoguy> we need to get a good bootsplash going too. the current one is frightening. <klepas> thanks and kudos <klepas> agreed! <volvoguy> no problem! <klepas> :-) #ubuntu-artwork 2005-09-08 <klepas> moin <miketech> moin #ubuntu-artwork 2005-09-09 <klepas> moin <klepas> :-) <volvoguy> howdy klepas. <klepas> :-) <klepas> how's it going? <volvoguy> oh, not too bad. i've been in bed most of the day. <klepas> back aches? <volvoguy> yeah. rough day. <klepas> damn <volvoguy> i've opted for a tasty shiraz red wine tonight instead of drugs. seems to be working so far. <klepas> found the most pleasant message in my inbox yesterday <klepas> ;-) <klepas> i did a splash screen for my favourite music manager under KDE - JuK <klepas> I sent it to the dev - Scott Wheeler <klepas> and he loved it <volvoguy> cool! <klepas> will be included in KDE 3.5, and possibly 4 as well <klepas> the other cool thing is that JuK never had a splash screen before <klepas> so i think i started something here - the next one will be determined via a competition <klepas> did you see - GNOME 2.12 is looking for a new splash? <miketech> Hi <klepas> moin miketech <volvoguy> well, i know ubuntu is going to try to have a new GDM spash screen for Breezy. <klepas> btw - volvo - you can see it [JuK splash] - http://wombat.nuxified.com/node/51 <klepas> cool <klepas> i'm interested in making the background or something like that <klepas> GDM is only the login though - there would have to be a GDM theme and a splash screen <klepas> unless i am mistaken <miketech> there is a gnome 2.12. splash screen contest at the moment <klepas> yep <klepas> http://art.gnome.org <miketech> yup <klepas> entries due in today <klepas> not going to make that deadline :-( <volvoguy> howdy miketech. <klepas> miketech: are you putting in an entry? <miketech> no <miketech> i am not a good artist :) <klepas> hehe <klepas> how about you volvoguy? <volvoguy> i'll be working on Ubuntu stuff. probably not Gnome branded artwork though. <klepas> :-) <klepas> i can't wait for art.ubuntu.com to be up <miketech> yeah ive seen the test system <miketech> very nice <volvoguy> it's up, more or less. the submissions just aren't making it to the website at the moment. <volvoguy> hey miketech, is the art.gnome.org website code alone enough to make the ubuntu repository in your gnome-art app? <miketech> hm gnome-art currently only supports one server <miketech> if you wanna use it for ubuntu you have to change the url in gnome-art <miketech> and copy the xml.php from art.gnome.org <miketech> then it should work <volvoguy> ok. i wasn't sure if you talked to the MySQL database directly or if we have to wait for all the SOAP stuff you told me about. <miketech> currently we are using mysql database directly <miketech> but via xml file <miketech> on AGO there is a xml.php that returns xml code, that is parsed by gnome-art <klepas> i'm going to afk for a while <klepas> talk to you guys later <volvoguy> oh. that's not a huge change then. i don't know if gnome-art is going to be in the main repository for breezy, but if it is i'll pass along those changes. <klepas> cheers <volvoguy> see ya later klepas! <miketech> cu klepas <miketech> ok i can show you, where to change it <volvoguy> will it work if our database isn't generating an xml file though? <miketech> no, xml.php is the interface for gnome-art <volvoguy> ahh. gotcha. <miketech> its a very simple file <volvoguy> ok. if it's easy, give me a run through. <volvoguy> i just have ssh access to my breezy machine ATM, but i can demo the GUI later. <miketech> ok, you simply have to copy the xml.php from AGO to your server <volvoguy> let's see... does wget parse the php file when in grabs it? <miketech> yup * volvoguy thinking.... <miketech> do you have cvs access to AGO? <volvoguy> no. our server guy is the only one working with AGO directly at the moment. <miketech> ok wait <volvoguy> if he got the code from CVS though, he might already have it. <volvoguy> yep. there's an xml.php file sitting in the site's root directory. <miketech> ah ok <miketech> ah yeah its working *g* <volvoguy> i'm *not* a php guru though by any means. do i need to make any changes? <miketech> hm well the problem is: <miketech> art.ubuntu.com has different categories <miketech> and the categories arent dynamically at the moment <volvoguy> yes. <volvoguy> it looks like he added the new categories at the top of the php file already. does that help? <miketech> hm no, this means many changes in gnome-art <miketech> because the current version of gnome-art doesnt support categories dynamically <volvoguy> i finally have sudo priviledges on our server. i went almost a week trying to make changes to things before i realized they hadn't given me access yet. <miketech> you can use your xml file, but i dont know, what will happen <volvoguy> ooooh. i gotcha. <volvoguy> would it be easy for me to grab gnome-art out of cvs and make the changes and compile it myself? <miketech> hm no, there are many changes needed :( <miketech> its easy to change the path of the xml file <miketech> but then your categories arent working <volvoguy> i see. <miketech> but you can try it of course <miketech> maybe some categories will work <volvoguy> i think the app is only in Ubuntu's universe, so it wouldn't make it into breezy even if it were working correctly. <miketech> ah ok <volvoguy> ok. i'll see what i can do over the weekend. is it in gnome's cvs system? <miketech> no <miketech> miketech.net/gnome-art <volvoguy> k. <miketech> here you can download the source code <miketech> i can tell you what you have to change: <miketech> in lib/gnome-art you will find a file: <miketech> config.rb <volvoguy> k <miketech> there is a line: XML_File = "http://art.gnome.org/xml.php" <miketech> change it to: XML_File = "http://http://+1-226-633-4109/xml.php" <miketech> oops <miketech> http://+1-226-633-4109/xml.php <miketech> you know :) <volvoguy> :) yep <miketech> then it should work with the old categories <miketech> maybe backgrounds are working <miketech> maybe some icons <miketech> its a ruby script <miketech> if you have already installed it you can change the code directly <miketech> the file should be installed in a ruby-dir, maybe /usr/lib/ruby/site-ruby/1.8/gnome-art/config.rb <volvoguy> yep. i have it installed. <volvoguy> found it. <volvoguy> k. changed it. <volvoguy> my job for the evening was to submit some artwork, so i probably can't test it until there's some conten there. :) <miketech> there are 3 backgrounds <volvoguy> oh. cool. henrik must have been busy today! <miketech> but you should take a look at the xml file <miketech> maybe you have to change some urls in there <miketech> replacing art.gnome.org with your url <volvoguy> ok. i'll check it out. just changing that one URL didn't seem to do it. <miketech> but nice to see the art.gnome.org software running <miketech> because when soap is continue working we simply can migrate it on art.ubuntu.com <volvoguy> yeah. i guess henrik has done a good amount of talking to the AGO guys and they're going to keep the sites as similar as possible. <miketech> but currently everyone is on vacation *g* <miketech> yup i have read the threads on the mailinglist <volvoguy> yes. :) except me who's always on vacation... well, kinda. <miketech> lol <miketech> we have some nice mockups of new gnome-art <miketech> but only mockups <volvoguy> i joke - but take my advice. don't ever do anything at a job that could injure you. <miketech> hm <miketech> maybe its too late ... <miketech> but i will remember it for the future :) <volvoguy> you showed me a couple of them, and i passed 'em along to Jeff Waugh (still the "big cheese" as far as art goes). <volvoguy> hehe <miketech> i am always working a lot <volvoguy> it turns out that i'm probably lucky they've treated me so badly. there's a good chance i'll win a big lawsuit when it's all over. <miketech> hm?? <miketech> what has happened? <volvoguy> i know that all the art people i've taled to are excited about the whole "artwork repository" idea. i'm sure it'll make it into ubuntu main eventually. <volvoguy> oh, my employer really hassled me about it initially, stopped paying me for a while, sent me to about a half dozen of "their doctors" who all claimed i was fine - and they're still holding back paychecks on weeks that i have end of the week doc appointments. <miketech> uargs <volvoguy> they were ready to dump me and send me back to work this week until my doctor told them i'll be needing major surgery that requires a year of recovery time. <miketech> sounds terrible <miketech> i wish you good luck with your lawsuit <volvoguy> it has been, but i think it'll work to my advantage in the end. <volvoguy> thanks! <miketech> oh i see.. i should go to bed <miketech> here it is nearly 5 am <volvoguy> well hey, i need to go spend some time on my other ubuntu project (the laptop testing team). <volvoguy> perfect timing. :) <miketech> oh laptopt testing team? <volvoguy> have a good night. i'll let you know how i get along with gnome-art. <volvoguy> yeah. they gave me a laptop to do hardware testing with. <miketech> but top priority is your health <miketech> ubuntu "only" is a hobby <volvoguy> yes. :) <miketech> youve got a laptop?? <volvoguy> the red wine seems to be effective tonight. :) <miketech> lol <volvoguy> yeah. Canonical sent me a really new Toshiba laptop. <miketech> canonical has too much money :)) <volvoguy> really new meaning it won't work properly even with breezy yet. :) <volvoguy> hey, i'm not complaining. :) <miketech> oh *g* <miketech> hehe :) <volvoguy> it means i can work from the couch. <miketech> but ubuntu is going a good way <miketech> i have it installed now too <miketech> on my desktop system <volvoguy> yes. i really like their whole philosophy - as well as the software - and Mark is a really great guy. <miketech> do you know him? <volvoguy> just from talking to him on IRC and email. <miketech> ah ok <volvoguy> i'll make it to a conference one of these days though. <miketech> well you are really with ubuntu *g* <miketech> + involved <volvoguy> yep. i'm sold. it's the first distro i've actually been able to do work with and not just "play" with. <miketech> hehe yeah <volvoguy> (and that's after nearly 10 years of Linux involvement)! <miketech> and the poeple love it <miketech> we distributed over 1000 cds on the "linux tag" in germany within 4 days <volvoguy> excellent! i just grabbed the knoppix the other day that was released at linux tag. <miketech> ah. its a nice way to do some recovery stuff. but i dont like it as a desktop system *g* <volvoguy> it *ahem* recognized all the hardware in my laptop. i'm trying to use that to motivate the ubuntu devs. :) <miketech> hehe yeah <volvoguy> me too. <miketech> the hardware recognition is really good <miketech> but its bloated <volvoguy> yeah. REALLY good. breezy doesn't even recognize that there's a hard drive or video card in my laptop. <miketech> not even the hard drive? <miketech> thats hard *g* <volvoguy> at least knoppix is really "pretty". i use the DVD often to show off the state of the linux desktop. <volvoguy> well, it's an SATA drive connected to a RAID controller. yes. in a laptop. :) <miketech> wow :) <volvoguy> it'll rock when i finally get Ubuntu installed. :) <miketech> canonical really does have to much money :) <volvoguy> :) <miketech> i am interested in breez <miketech> y <miketech> tried to installed it, but didnt boot :) <volvoguy> i'm trying to make myself useful enough that they'll want to hire me when my back is fixed. :) <volvoguy> breezy is still pretty rough around the edges. <miketech> you wanna work for canonical? <miketech> nice :) <volvoguy> i have a fully functioning desktop machine, but it was a hoary to breezy upgrade. <volvoguy> i'd love to. <miketech> hehe yeah why not <volvoguy> especially if i could move. i always thought i was born on the wrong continent. <miketech> where are you coming from? <volvoguy> i'm in detroit, michigan, usa. <volvoguy> and i drive european cars. :) <miketech> ah and where is the registered office of canonical? <miketech> hehe :) <volvoguy> the isle of man. an island between ireland and england i believe. <miketech> ah you dont like usa? <volvoguy> well, i don't like detroit. <miketech> the last time ive been there i was maybe 12 years old :) <miketech> a long time ago :) <miketech> oh well i really have to go *g* <volvoguy> the auto capital of the world and the roads are so bad you hesitate to drive on them sometimes. way too much money around here crammed into way too little space. <volvoguy> ah yes. :) <volvoguy> have a good night. :) <miketech> thanks :) and good luck! good night <volvoguy> g'night. :) * ..[topic/#ubuntu-artwork:AndyFitz] : why is the ubuntu font not packaged ? it is ! install ttf-ubuntu-title on breezy ;) ROCK AND ROLL <klepas|afk> still there? (klepas/#ubuntu-artwork) :-) <jsgotangco> hey <jsgotangco> i wouldn't want to flood the other channel <jsgotangco> :) <klepas> hey <volvoguy> ahh yes. i already got yelled at once in there for going off topic. (if nobody has spoken in 30 minutes, how can 3 sentences be off
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