#ubuntu-us-ca 2011-08-01 <MarkDude> grantbow, I am headed to Scala <grantbow> nice, me too <MarkDude> Hey there iheartubuntu <iheartubuntu> hey hey, whats new <MarkDude> I have happy plants- they survived my trip to Portland <iheartubuntu> wow! <MarkDude> Last 2 years they died during my absence <iheartubuntu> has it been cooler there? its been for the most part, nice and comfortable down here <MarkDude> Here too- I know it helped to not have 100+ <akk> The cape gooseberries (including the seedlings in pots) all did great while I was in LA. <MarkDude> Right on akk <iheartubuntu> my dad is nursing my gooseberry <MarkDude> Some of mine cut back on blooms <akk> 2 weeks away, and I was afraid they wouldn't have enough water to last, but they look very healthy. <MarkDude> They are super tough <iheartubuntu> ive leveled my garden <MarkDude> They can hold off flowering and wait til more water <akk> Also, two of my spider plants are actually putting out spiders! Great excitement. <sn9> meeting night? <akk> sn9: Aw, you mean you want us to talk about ubuntu and not gardening? <sn9> i have reduced relevance in a different category <MarkDude> Its not meeting time yet <sn9> it's almost 8pm here <MarkDude> Your relevance is rife with discussion possibilities sn9 <MarkDude> ;D <MarkDude> 2 minutes and counting <grantbow> horse shoes and hand grenades? <MarkDude> Sitting next to Dangerous MFing grantbow at moment <pleia2> hi everyone :) <pleia2> #startmeeting <iheartubuntu> hiya lyz <pleia2> Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11July31 <jyo> hihi <pleia2> who all is here for the meeting? <pleia2> o/ <jyo> o/ <eps> with silver bells and cockle shells <pleia2> oh no, MarkDude and grantbow sitting together irl for the meeting <akk> o/ <pleia2> :) <grantbow> lol <pleia2> ok, we'll jump right in then <pleia2> (we'll do announcements at the end) <pleia2> [TOPIC] Final review of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/ApprovalApplication2011 <pleia2> we've reviewed this a few times at meetings and on the mailing list so I think we're ready to submit it, but I just wanted to double-check no one else had comments <rww> \o <philipballew> here! <akk> oh, good, some red people. xchat was showing everybody else who's here as light blue or green. <pleia2> hehe <rww> pleia2: looks fine to me <rww> (and yes, I actually read it this time :P) <pleia2> thanks rww :) <pleia2> I'll add it to the council agenda and send a note to the list when the meeting is going to be <pleia2> [TOPIC] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Picnix20 planning <eps> akk: I see dim people <pleia2> we actually only have one more meeting before the end of august when this happens, but I'm not particularly worried - we've done this before :) <pleia2> I'll nudge aaditya for our table number, but we pretty much just need to get our list-of-stuff to bring sorted and we'll be good for the picnic <grantbow> great <eps> I'm worried ... the last message I saw about the picnic was dated July 16 ... <grantbow> worry not :-) <eps> ... it said the reservation database was supposed to open two weeks ago now <eps> It hasn't happened. :-( <pleia2> eps: aaditya is the organizer this year, might nudge him about it <eps> Their wiki looks like it hasn't been touched since March. <MarkDude> Are there cookies on list again? * rww ponders pretending to be a mootbot to make pleia2 happy :P * MarkDude is cookie monster <grantbow> eps: please talk to aditya with concerns. I would appreciate your effort on this temendously <eps> *I* am not the organizer. <pleia2> MarkDude: heather said she'd make ubuntu cookies :) and I'm making android cookies! <grantbow> eps: aaditya is <pleia2> eps: our table is set for the picnic, so there aren't really organizational concerns for the california team specifically <pleia2> if you have personal questions about registration, aaditya is the one to talk to <eps> The concern is whether there's even going to be a picnic, since there has been *nothing* online ... not on their wiki, facebook, mailing list, anything as far as I can see. <pleia2> there is <MarkDude> pleia2, fair enough- as long as cookies are represented <pleia2> MarkDude :) <pleia2> anyway, if anyone is bringing things they can add them to the wiki page (I also made a loco directory event, you can rsvp there if you want, I'll add the picnic rsvp to the site once it's active): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Picnix20 <pleia2> [TOPIC] Announcements, comments, other topics <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam is happening Sept 2-4, Labor day weekend <pleia2> no one has anything planned yet, but if you want to plan something now is the time to start :) <pleia2> (I'll be out of town) <philipballew> so cal will *probably have one <pleia2> I suspect jono will have one in walnut creek * philipballew needs to get his act together on it <pleia2> :) * MarkDude will be down south for wedding then, and OLF for the next <rww> I'll be in college starting craziness then, so count me out :( <pleia2> oh, berkeleylug and partimus reserved a booth at solano stroll the OLF weekend (Sept 11th) so that's upcoming in september too <grantbow> I will be preparing for a trip but will attend. <MarkDude> Damn, that is fun, I dont want to miss the stroll <pleia2> MarkDude: sorry :) I didn't realize it either until beth lynn pointed it out to me while we were planning the partimus bit <pleia2> so many events, so little time <MarkDude> Speaking in Ohio then <grantbow> indeed <grantbow> more clones <philipballew> i will be to rww , but if its on a saturday or something no class in session <pleia2> hehe <pleia2> anyone else have announcements or other things? <rww> philipballew: gonna be my first semester there, so I'll be busy anyway :) <philipballew> oh nice :) good luck wherever it is rww <MarkDude> where is it rww? <pleia2> ok, I think we'll wrap up the meeting then <pleia2> going once..! <MarkDude> Wait * MarkDude had his penguin suit disappear at OSCON <pleia2> oh dear <MarkDude> keep eye out for it <MarkDude> I know <MarkDude> I will email list- <pleia2> ok <pleia2> #endmeeting <pleia2> thanks everyone * philipballew will chase anyone down he sees in a penguin suit <rww> MarkDude: How was the Fedora booth at OSCON? <MarkDude> ok thats all- its been a bit stressful <akk> Dang! I never got to see MarkDude wearing the suit. <grantbow> thanks pleia2 * rww was chatting with someone else who went the other day <MarkDude> it was great <MarkDude> as was Ubuntu's <MarkDude> they had full staff as well as Ryan Singer there <MarkDude> Oregon team will be official soon also <pleia2> woohoo oregon <rww> MarkDude: nice <MarkDude> Is nice not to be acting lead anymore <rww> MarkDude: how on earth did you lose a penguin suit <MarkDude> was kinda wierd <MarkDude> rww they had no coatrack <eps> Were you wearing it at the time? Is there video? <MarkDude> so it was at entrance <MarkDude> there are video before <philipballew> pleia2 does anyone have a global jam planned for so cal? <pleia2> philipballew: not currently <iheartubuntu> phil are you going to be down in socal with school again? <philipballew> well If noone has any plan for one, I can easily find a place to do one at. yeah iheartubuntu i leave here in a few weeks <iheartubuntu> if there is one in SD i could make the trip <philipballew> i was thinking on say a saturday, because we all have work during the week <iheartubuntu> or we could plan something a bit more north if nathan would be avail <philipballew> that would work. if nathan is down <iheartubuntu> im planning a new UbuntuOne to coincide with the claremont colleges starting up again.. right now its a ghost town <pleia2> Ubuntu Hour? :) <iheartubuntu> ohh yah <iheartubuntu> :) <philipballew> im not sure the type of place that the global jam should be held at <philipballew> haha <pleia2> philipballew: since people need to have computers and internet it has to be some place that's friendly to that sort of thing <iheartubuntu> i think nathan is working on a new ubuntu one :) <pleia2> we do it at a pizzeria, but jdeslip knows the owners and are aware of frequent berkeleylug meetings <iheartubuntu> i'll stick with ubuntu hours <philipballew> but like how many people would you expect to show up? <pleia2> 1 or 100 :) <pleia2> depends on the venue, timing, area... <pleia2> the biggest one I've hosted was about 30 people, was in an office building back in philly <iheartubuntu> ive been exploring downtown LA a bunch lately... seems like a ton of tech people around there... i think it might be an interesting experiment since a bunch of metro lines converge in downtown <pleia2> the berkeleylug ones tend to be standard berkeleylug turnout, 5-12 people <pleia2> if you don't have the space you can limit registration though <philipballew> haha, true, so a coffee shop I have help host the ubuntu hours there might be to small <pleia2> depends on how friendly the coffee shop is to you taking up space with laptops and internet :) <philipballew> if i get there at a "non-meal" time and call ahead and say 10-20 people will be here and buying food, I dont see how they can turn that down <philipballew> unless nhaines has any global jam planes\ <pleia2> jyo: are you editing the meeting agenda page? <philipballew> ill email darkwing and kevin and see what their ideas are <iheartubuntu> phil, please keep me informed of any updates <philipballew> iheartubuntu, emails sent. ill tweet you if i get anything probably <iheartubuntu> ok awesome thanks * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-ca to: Welcome to the Ubuntu California Local Community (LoCo) Team! | Webpage: http://ubuntu-california.org (has links to mailing list, forum, and more!) | Next Meeting: Sunday, August 14th, 7:00pm PDT | This channel is publicly ramirezanna@example.org | We have an unlogged channel at #ubuntu-us-ca-offtopic <pleia2> g 102 <pleia2> oops <iheartubuntu> like a g102 <iheartubuntu> its better than a g6 <MarkDude> fly like that <<<< yep <philipballew> feelin so fly! <MarkDude> True. <jyo> pleia2: Nay. <iheartubuntu> wait til its friday <iheartubuntu> gotta have my cereal <philipballew> that represents american consumerism <philipballew> and the back seat is a metaphor for American forgen policy <iheartubuntu> cruisin so fast, i want time to fly (in my g6) <philipballew> maybe the ubuntu ca group needs to go see them in concert <philipballew> ...not Rebekkah black <philipballew> haha <philipballew> iheartubuntu, did you ever think about the game night thing? <iheartubuntu> i have a list of a bunch of games some place, but the overall feel of my list is pointing to first person shooter multiplayer <philipballew> urben terror is nice <philipballew> would somebody be running a server of the game someone picks? <iheartubuntu> i think an MMORPG or whatever its called like Regnum Online would be a lot of fun since we can all see each other and we can all be on the same team. there are no limits to amount of players, etc <philipballew> seemes like a good idea <iheartubuntu> how often should we do it? once a month? twice a month... for an hour or two after each meeting would be nice <philipballew> we could go against other distros! haha <philipballew> it could just always be on and whoever wants to play can play and we also have planned nights <iheartubuntu> ok, i'll clean up my list of games, and create a pro/con list for each game and have this ready for next team meeting here in two weeks <philipballew> ill back you up on it <iheartubuntu> for anyone running an Ubuntu Hour, i recommend posting to forums, mailing list, etc 3 or 4 days before. I notice more people when i do this <iheartubuntu> last pasadena UH was 8 people because of this. when i sent these notes out the day of the UH it was just 4 people <akk> Yeah, it's always kind of jarring to hear about an ubuntu hour happening in 3 hours that you never knew about before ... <iheartubuntu> ok PB <iheartubuntu> akk - yah this way people can plan for it better <philipballew> i think the mailing list can be limiting somewhat due to not many people being on it iheartubuntu <akk> The mailing list is the best way, for me -- if it's on twitter or facebook or something, I'll only see it if I happen to check in at the right time. <pleia2> twitter has over 1000 followers, far more than any of our other resources <iheartubuntu> its just one method. scribble out 10-15 ideas how to promote a UH and implement 3-5 of them. <pleia2> but anything we put in the loco directory is posted on twitter the day of <rww> except it's twitter, so 99% of them are spammers or people who don't actually check their account :P <pleia2> maybe 10% <MarkDude> Happy reminder for MLs day- its starting now <pleia2> lots of people are real :) <pleia2> MarkDude: hah, yeah, I was like "it's august!?" <philipballew> what about facebook? how often is that updated? <rww> twitter user retention after a month is about 40% <pleia2> rww: I was trying to balance your made up statistic with one of my own, in the other direction <MarkDude> Coreboot is in Denmark- so they are 1st for me <rww> pleia2: hehe <pleia2> :D <rww> philipballew: aiui, the team Facebook, Twitter, and identi.ca are all updated identically often <pleia2> yeah, it's automatically cross-posted <akk> Just remember, 78.6% of all statistics are made up. <MarkDude> akk lol <philipballew> twitter is the best social medium today imo <rww> word of mouth is the best social medium :P <MarkDude> lol <akk> I have no idea what % of twitter followers are bots/spammers; but even of the real people, not all of them will be monitoring at any given time. <akk> IRC is the best social medium. :) <philipballew> i get ubuntu ca tweets sent to my cell phone <rww> philipballew: nerd! <pleia2> heheh * rww used to get IRC highlights sent to his cellphone >.> <akk> I see tweets if 1. I'm at the computer 2. I'm not busy working on stuff and 3. xchat hasn't forgotten its marker line again, so I can see where the new tweets start <philipballew> do we have a g+ account yet? <jyo> There's no org g+ accounts yet, right? <akk> I think that's right. <pleia2> right <rww> Company g+ accounts are in closed don't-ask-us-we'll-ask-you trial. <rww> e.g. https://plus.google.com/114277687548103339609 <pleia2> ah :) <jyo> I think I'm going to organize my circles by affilation and geographical locations. <philipballew> mine are all in following myself i think <philipballew> does anyone know how I can tell what a program is written in so I can know how to complie the tarball? <grantbow> try running strings on it <rww> philipballew: so you have some source code files and want to know what language it is? 'file' command. <philipballew> yeah. i downloaded the humblee inde bundle! and 2 of the games come in tar.bz <philipballew> *tar.gz <rww> so extract them and run the files inside? <iheartubuntu> usually inside is an installer file... like cogs.bin or whatever <philipballew> there is just a launcher to run the program <jyo> Is there a compile-it-yourself discount version? :) <philipballew> its really weird <philipballew> i ususlly only pay a penny to download them and pay more when i get them running. <philipballew> im thinking 10 dollars <iheartubuntu> i paid $15 for bundle #1, $15 for #2 and eeeeekkkk only $5 for #3. im trying to budget my mulah these days <philipballew> i didnt have any money for 1 therefor didnt get it and never found a url for it <philipballew> iheartubuntu, how did you install the tarballs for 3? <iheartubuntu> i have only had time for Cogs so far.. and it had an installer <iheartubuntu> these tar games though i have never figured out how to install... just run the game. <iheartubuntu> you could put the extracted tar in a games directory and then create a desktop or menu link <iheartubuntu> thats my lazy way :) <philipballew> the thing i dont understand is the tarballs dont have a way to make. check install like most tarballs <nhaines> The Ubuntu Font Family now has a compressed font available. (for a certain value of available.) <pleia2> nice <nhaines> I'm not really sure what I'd use it for. :) But it's not bad. * MarkDude plans to use it on a few Fedora items, want to see if anyone notices ;D <pleia2> lol * negronjl is away: out to lunch <pleia2> negronjl: please don't use public away messages here <negronjl> pleia2: sorry...didn't know they'll get posted on _every_ channel. * MarkDude is watering garden, but is monitoring :) <pleia2> it'll get you kicked from -meeting <pleia2> and -classroom <pleia2> so you should probably turn it off :) <negronjl> pleia2: will do * MarkDude got heads up a while ago on changing nicks <MarkDude> :) <MarkDude> Hmmm, every channel. <nhaines> I was hoping for hinted Ubuntu Monospace. :( Unhinted is beautiful in Ubuntu and in PuTTY on Windows it *almost* makes that a pleasant experience except Windows XP apparently uses the Windows 3.0 font renderer or something because it is *ugly*. :) <MarkDude> pleia2, is awesome. She is very helpful on cluing folks in * MarkDude included ;) <akk> There's always a need for better monospace fonts. Especially sans-serif ones. * pleia2 nods <akk> Especially if they have a wide selection of characters (accented, emdashes etc.) <akk> That's still a problem with a lot of the monospace fonts. <nhaines> Ubuntu Monospace is beautiful. The difference in Evolution was instant. <nhaines> Unfortunately, the font size is annoying. :) <akk> Fonts are so frustrating -- they render so differently on every screen and distro, so I have to go through a long selection process with every machine+distro. <akk> I wish I could just pick a font that looks nice and has an aspect ratio I like, and use that everywhere, maybe just changing the size slightly <akk> but with most fonts, changing the size drastically changes how it renders and what its aspect ratio is. <bkerensa> Hi All <bkerensa> :) <pleia2> g'day bkerensa * bkerensa used to be a Californian * bkerensa is now a Califoregonian <akk> Close enough. :) * bkerensa was born in the Sac <bkerensa> :P <MarkDude> bkerensa, is now lead for Oregon <MarkDude> And also a badass <MarkDude> :) <pleia2> oh good, I'm glad that got sorted :) <MarkDude> Yes, remote management is less than ideal at times <bkerensa> lol <bkerensa> Spotufy needs to fix their repo <bkerensa> =/ <bkerensa> Spotify even <bkerensa> pleia2: Your council? If so I wanna pick your brain sometime :) <bkerensa> :) <locodir-user> hey all <locodir-user> I dont know if im in the right place but I need some help with a shell script <locodir-user> any volunteers <philipballew> has anyone here ever installed ubuntu to a mac ever? <akk> I've seen the husband do it. Don't own a mac myself. <philipballew> friend gave me a mac to install it on akk it doesnt install the typical way as i keep getting an error when i boot from the cd saying unable to find a medium containing a live file systemâ error when installing <philipballew> which seemes odd myself <philipballew> ubuntu mac needs an irc haha <MarkDude> It depends on exact arch with it philipballew * MarkDude has seen it done <MarkDude> in a few ways- and am not talking about old PPC arch either <philipballew> MarkDude, well the laptop has 4 gigs ram so 64 bit seems the best way * MarkDude does not know how to do it however <philipballew> theres a mac wiki on ubuntu.com i looked at for a few minutes <pleia2> I suspect MarkDude meant ppc vs x86 macs <pleia2> but if it has 4G of ram it's not ppc <MarkDude> Well even with *86 - I have seen the tools vary <MarkDude> sexycatsin hats is expert on this <pleia2> we installed ubuntu on a macbook at an ubuntu hour once, it wasn't a problem <pleia2> but yeah, it uses that boot thing in the beginning which can be weird <philipballew> effi or something i think it said pleia2 . i guess i have to boot into osx and install that probably <pleia2> I've only ever installed linux on old ppc macs <jyo> Is there some EFI funkiness with the install? <philipballew> me as well, done it 3 times this month. osx is way to locked down <philipballew> jyo, not sure. its different then pc instals haha <kdub_> philipballew: i dunno if i can do a full day bug jam <kdub_> maybe for a bit in the morning or something <kdub_> that, and i need to coordinate schedules, see if i can even do that :P <philipballew> I would assume morning is best time for anything haha <philipballew> darkwing said he wants to do alot of that planning for it and get some people to come <kdub_> yeah, life's been hectic over here the last few months <akk> I think on macs you have to press a key (c?) to boot from a live cd. <philipballew> sorry bout that kdub_ work stressful? <akk> There used to be severe EFI problems but supposedly those have been fixed with grub2. <philipballew> akk yeah, thats when i get the funky error. i might just try a different cd and see what i get with that <akk> (the one thing grub2 is better at than grub1 ...) <kdub_> philipballew: nah, lots of other things though. plus its summer in SD, outside calls <philipballew> i hear this summer is nice weather <philipballew> akk is it always gonna be the slowest speed is best on burning? <philipballew> i always do 10x <akk> I always try to use the slowest speed -- I have really bad luck with burning. <akk> But mostly linux cd burning apps ignore anything you tell them about speed anyway, and do whatever they feel like doing. <philipballew> haha, k3b is what i use. its good for most things i need <akk> k3b definitely did that, ignored what I told it about speed <akk> back when I could use it -- now it has a hundred requirements I don't want to install, so I quit using it <philipballew> what do you use? akk <akk> honestly, I can't remember -- the last few times I burned CDs I used cdrecord, and before that, I think maybe I used the xfce one (xfburn?) <akk> but I have such terrible luck with CDs, I've pretty much stopped even trying to burn them. <akk> I used to do it maybe once a year, and I would discover that my CD drive had stopped working since the last time <akk> and I'd either buy a new cable or a new cd drive, and it would work, and I'd be good for another 6-12 months 'til the next time. <akk> And they don't last long anyway, and USB sticks are so much smaller to carry around. <philipballew> cd's are becoming out of date in some regard <kdub_> cds are way out of date #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-08-02 <philipballew> kdub_, yet music artists still are all about cd's <rww> negronjl: ah, never mind that ubottu PM, I didn't see you'd already been poked about it <MarkDude> Pics from Open Source Convention >> https://picasaweb.google.com/tuxwingsgroup/OSCON2011 <philipballew> nice MarkDude ! <MarkDude> ty <grantbow> fire! quite an exhibit in a couple of those pics <MarkDude> That was the bigass party <MarkDude> http://marchfourthmarchingband.com/ <MarkDude> those peeps were there <MarkDude> and amin Tobin <bkerensa> :D Hi all <philipballew> bkerensa, whats up? <bkerensa> nothing much <bkerensa> how are you? <bkerensa> :D <philipballew> i am great. fellow ubuntu user i see here? * philipballew hasnt had the pleasure of meeting this person <bkerensa> :D <bkerensa> I live in Oregon but I'm California born <philipballew> oh nice, you part of the orgon loco? bkerensa <bkerensa> Yeah <bkerensa> Team Lead * MarkDude is soo happy to hear that <kdub_> this wednesday is probably not enough notice to slap together an ubuntu hour, i'd guess... <MarkDude> Jono >> http://www.meetup.com/Community-Manager-Breakfast/events/24906431/ <pleia2> tsk, members only <aaditya> "This group's content is available only to members" <aaditya> :( <aaditya> hey MarkDude, pleia2 o/ <MarkDude> Hmm, meetup sorta sucks sometimes <pleia2> g'day aaditya :) <aaditya> MarkDude: how was your trip!? <MarkDude> My bad, you have to be approved to do it. <MarkDude> Awesome <aaditya> You back, right? <MarkDude> https://plus.google.com/photos/105095769731159704550/albums/5636077067410952689 <MarkDude> Since late Saturday night <MarkDude> This event tonight is open to view- although it cost $10 to go <MarkDude> https://www.mogotix.com/events/1816 <pleia2> aaditya: there was a comment at our meeting sunday night that registration for the linuxpicnic wasn't open yet (site says "Expect the RSVP database open in late Spring or early Summer."), any ETA on that? <MarkDude> Community management: what is it, where it's been and where it's going? <aaditya> pleia2: We're meeting this week to discuss that, so I should have some concrete info by the end of this week. <seidos> booooo * seidos is a ghost <pleia2> aaditya: ok, thanks :) <aaditya> you're welcome. :) <aaditya> MarkDude: so lots of fun was had at OSCON! * aaditya wishes he could attend. <MarkDude> Bigtime * MarkDude has a bit of SWAG from there. Mostly Fedora stuff tho ;) <seidos> i wasted 2.99 on some work from home scam, i got screenshots though <seidos> wanted to do some investigating...it's a pretty airtight scheme really <seidos> going to create a blog post <seidos> blah blah blah <kdub> airtight for them? <nhaines> akgraner: \o_ <akgraner> nhaines, \o <nhaines> akgraner: been keeping busy? :) <akgraner> as busy as possible all things considered, but now I am getting back on track...:-) How are things with you? <nhaines> akgraner: busy, busy. But doing pretty good! Even if oneiric did eat my laptop? <nhaines> And by ? I mean ! <akgraner> nhaines, well even ocelots need to eat...;-p <akgraner> just kidding - that stinks when stuff like that happens - did you recover... <nhaines> akgraner: hehe, nah, that's what my laptop is for, mostly. So between Ubuntu One and my flash drive I was well prepared. :D <nhaines> I'm sticking with it until Alpha 3 but I might thunk back to natty. #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-08-03 <MarkDude> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/at-home-with-jono-bacon << LIVE now <philipballew> is there any reason why I should enable ipv6 on my computer? <philipballew> it seemes to be moving to that, but is there a need now? <jyo> philipballew: Well, does your ISP provide ipv6 right now? <philipballew> yeah, it does jyo <philipballew> haha <pleia2> lucky :) <pleia2> one of my systems has an he.net tunnel, but I don't use it very much (mostly just for testing my own sites ipv6 connectivity) <philipballew> are all ipv6 addresses gonna be static do you think or will I still have to but a block of ip's? seems like they should be static <jyo> What's up with comcast's ipv6 trials these days? <pleia2> jyo: they're still chugging along, we got an ipv6 modem from a comcast guy last year for the trial but connectivity never made it to us <pleia2> so boo <jyo> Hooray for being dual ramirezanna@example.org. I can see the dancing kame. <pleia2> oh yeah, sometimes I turn on my tunnel for ipv6 only content :) <pleia2> you work at the ipv6 headquarters though ;) <DarkwingDuck> Morning people. <DarkwingDuck> Well, afternoon <pleia2> hehe <pleia2> g'day DarkwingDuck <DarkwingDuck> Hows life? * pleia2 checks pulse <pleia2> still going! <bkerensa> pleia2: You around? <pleia2> bkerensa: yep <bkerensa> pleia2: Can I PM? <pleia2> sure <jyo> sudo apt-get install thunderbird <jyo> oh damnit #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-08-04 <DarkwingDuck> Anyone ever played with zeya before? <DarkwingDuck> Anyone about to test something for me? * pleia2 waves to DarkwingDuck <jyo> pleia2: Yeah, Rubik's Cube competition in Berkeley on Sunday. Sorry partimus people. <pleia2> doh :) <philipballew> has anyone here ever sat up a cron job? whats the best way to do it. It seems there are several but one way might be the best <akk> The easiest way is to put a script in cron.hourly, daily, weekly etc. <akk> If you need more control than that, use crontab (man crontab gives you the options). <philipballew> akk. im just makin a rsync job say all I was gonna run was rsync -azv /home /myusername /path/to/externalharddrive <philipballew> its a pretty easy thing, but was unsure if there was a correct way to do it. haha <akk> When and how often? That's the issue with cron. <philipballew> hum. every week was what i was gonna think <akk> If you don't care exactly when, just make a script and put it in cron.weekly. <philipballew> seemes easy enough. #!/bin/sh seemes like the bwst way to go then <philipballew> thanks! #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-08-05 <bkerensa> :) You guys looking forward to global jam? <pleia2> bkerensa: boo @ jam over labor day weekend :) <pleia2> they should know that I use 3 day weekends for adventuring! <pleia2> (actually considered going down to san diego but family trip is more important) * bkerensa pings pleia2 <pleia2> bkerensa: hey <bkerensa> pleia2: do you think mailchimp through mailinglist would work? <bkerensa> :) * pleia2 has never heard of mailchimp :\ <bkerensa> :) <bkerensa> Guess I could just build out a simple template <bkerensa> :) <pleia2> I just write text announcements and then copy them into the new announcement for the next month/event/whatever <pleia2> no fancy stuff <pleia2> partially because I then cross-post them to other mailing lists, some of which are old school linux lists whose participants get cranky when you send them html emails :) <bkerensa> :P they must not like Unity either then :) * bkerensa doesnt even like Unity <bkerensa> shh! <bkerensa> :P <pleia2> lol * pleia2 uses xubuntu <bkerensa> I had trouble with it <bkerensa> :( <bkerensa> couldnt get it to work properly <pleia2> unity or xubuntu? <bkerensa> xubuntu <pleia2> ah <bkerensa> the network manager didnt like me <bkerensa> :P <pleia2> oh :\ <bkerensa> then I got it to work and for some reason wifi was epic slow? <pleia2> I'm using it on my desktop and netbook, never had a problem, but hardware can be cranky <bkerensa> it wasnt my connection either <bkerensa> =/ <pleia2> weird <rww> doesn' <bkerensa> like 1,300Bps was fast on it <rww> t xubuntu use the same network manager applet as ubuntu? <pleia2> I have a broadcom chip in my netbook, had to use the proprietary driver <pleia2> rww: yeah <bkerensa> but if I booted into LTS or Kubuntu no issue with speed <bkerensa> Im using a usb wifi dongle :) <pleia2> ah, I'm using xubuntu lts on my netbook <pleia2> (netbook travels with me and we do presentations together, don't want to run 6 month releases on it) <bkerensa> if I could sort out that speed issue I would have no problem using xubuntu... I like the lightweight <rww> my netbook's on oneiric because I don't really use it right now :P <rww> doesn't sound like the sort of thing that would be xubuntu's fault, to me :\ <bkerensa> I tried oneircic <bkerensa> perhaps it was because I was running alpha? <bkerensa> idk <bkerensa> I will spin xubuntu back up down the road and try it again :) <rww> if you try the same (released) versions of Ubuntu and Xubuntu and one has the problem and one doesn't, I'd be surprised <bkerensa> Ubuntu Community is going lose a big asset in the coming year or two when FreeGeek moves to another distro <bkerensa> they pump about 100 free desktop computers running Ubuntu into the community a month and their hardware wont run Unity <pleia2> unity 2d is being released with 11.10 so that should help a lot <pleia2> it just wasn't ready for 11.04 <bkerensa> I dont even think Natty in Classic runs to good on their boxes <bkerensa> uses to much resources <bkerensa> :P <bkerensa> they still ship Heron <pleia2> hardy is EOL on the desktop :( <MarkDude> Well puppy linux is compatible with Ubuntu repos <bkerensa> Hopefully that will change though... One of my goals is to get them to modernize and move to newer release <MarkDude> and runs on really old stuff <bkerensa> MarkDude: True <bkerensa> MarkDude: I was surprised they are using such a old release of Ubuntu <bkerensa> MarkDude: They dont really have a lot of "Ubuntu" gurus over their... I think the only reason they ship Ubuntu is because its user friendly and free <MarkDude> Yep <bkerensa> MarkDude: The people who do their classes is PLUG and they dont even push Ubuntu they use Fedora and SuSe <bkerensa> :) <MarkDude> Well Karmic puppy showed it could work well <MarkDude> Well - silence is the better part of valor on my part there <bkerensa> :P <MarkDude> just Puppy has most Distros beat on how well it works <MarkDude> as well as being able to have whole OS on CD <bkerensa> yeah but its adoption is still not major according to distrowatch last time I checked <MarkDude> so it can work even if HD dies <MarkDude> sheeple ? <MarkDude> It works <MarkDude> and works well <akk> All liveCDs can work if the HD dies, can't they? <akk> Puppy's big advantage is that they actually tune it for performance on non-modern hardware. <MarkDude> Yes <bkerensa> :D <MarkDude> And you can take yousfs file and burn cd that is made for just your hardware <MarkDude> and just your setting- it is real easy <akk> And they have a really easy install/boot method with USB sticks even for old machines that don't boot from USB. <akk> I haven't seen any project that makes that easier than puppy does. <akk> On hardware that's only 5 or so years old, though, I prefer a more modern distro with some performance tuning, like debian or arch. <akk> Then you can run more modern programs but still get a performance win over ubuntu. <MarkDude> True. <MarkDude> Runs super fast <grantbow> brace for interns from Nairobi <grantbow> hello nelson <nelson> hello <grantbow> welcome to the Ubuntu US California channel <grantbow> hello Guest95253 <nelson> thank you everything is working <MarkDude> Hello peoples <rww> Debian also tends to support some of the more esoteric architectures that Ubuntu and Arch don't, which is useful. <muya> hello markdude <MarkDude> hello muya, you will be one of the people keeping an eye on grantbow? <grantbow> akk, MarkDude, didn't mean to interrupt any conversation already taking place. <rww> I always find that concern funny, 'cause I live in #ubuntu, land of a thousand simultaneous conversations :P <grantbow> MarkDude, Sept 7th they will be keeping me in line. My flight is early Sept 6th. <annmaryharry> hello markdude we are all here <muya> markdude ya i wiil keep an eye on grant <annmaryharry> hello grant is there a way in which one can delete an error from the pad <MarkDude> hello, keep an eye on him, he gets distracted <grantbow> unlike MarkDude <pleia2> lol <pleia2> MarkDude: you coming out to KIPP with us on sunday? <annmaryharry> #dreamfish <pleia2> o_O <grantbow> oops <grantbow> they are learning IRC, sorry for any extra noise in this channel. <pleia2> ah <MarkDude> Sunday I have a bbq B-day party at Saras <MarkDude> grantbow- we were just talking about how Puppy Linux runs well on old machines <MarkDude> and that Free Geek may have to switch away from Ubuntu since it requires newer hardware <akk> I wish there were an ubuntu offshoot that cared about old performance and old hardware ... but I guess that's called debian. :) <akk> ('cept it doesn't have the nice ubuntu community around it) <MarkDude> Are you saying Debian is mean akk? * MarkDude kids <akk> Not usually mean, just less nice and less of a community than Ubuntu <akk> plus, the bug system is hopeless <MarkDude> lol <MarkDude> Yes, nothing compares to Ubuntu's community <MarkDude> nothing yet at least <rww> I'd be more inclined to call Ubuntu's bug situation hopeless, personally :P <grantbow> hopeless? * grantbow reads log <bkerensa> :) <bkerensa> rww: Why do you feel this way? <bkerensa> rww: I'm on Bug Team... I do see some issues myself but would love to see what other people think <grantbow> that's a very cool offer <grantbow> s/offer/invitation/ <grantbow> UDS sessions are also a good way to better understand the people behind the bug system and ask questions <akk> The bug situation is somewhat hopeless, in terms of filing bugs and expecting anyone to actually pay attention <rww> bkerensa: I don't have a novel opinion on this topic, but in short, Ubuntu's lack of ownership of individual packages means that bug reports are often ignored completely or responded to by people with no expertise in the package or ability to fix the issue. That there are so many bugs coming in that people triaging use copy-paste responses and tend to set bugs Incomplete and eventually expire them, often without understanding the bug context, doesn't help <akk> but at least ubuntu has a system where you can track that ... with debian, you file it into this email black hole and that's the last you'll ever hear of it. <akk> In ubuntu you might get mail from other people who have found workarounds, or hear two years later than someone finally looked at the patch. <bkerensa> rww: All valid and good points... Notably Ubuntu Bug Team guides triagers to do exactly that... I usually will ping a package developer if I know them and ask them to look into it <pleia2> akk: ah, the benefits of having a BTS that mortals can use :) <philipballew> its interesting with ubuntu how because of its popularity in the linux market, they get bugs irrelevant to ubuntu itself, but software available for it, then those developers have to be informed <bkerensa> imho Bug Team should have someone who is delegated the task of contacting individual package devs and following up on bugs and pushing for fixes <pleia2> philipballew: it happens in all distros, those bugs should be forwarded upstream <bkerensa> pleia2: should be :) <pleia2> when I was doing more debian work we'd typically try to patch it and send the bug *and* the patch upstream <rww> the only time I've had a good experience with Ubuntu bug reporting is for packages that have someone specific who looks after them. Bryce for Xorg, for example. <rww> if you report a bug against most of universe, it just sits there <pleia2> the server team has a policy of responding to bugs too <akk> Same here. Reporting printing bugs is rewarding, because Til Kampeter looks at them very soon and comments, or reassigns, or otherwise does something useful. <akk> They might not get fixed right away, but having someone look, triage and set some flags makes a huge difference. <rww> (which now has me wondering about the wider question of how much support we can really give to random universe packages, and whether it'd be better to send their users upstream) <philipballew> I have a bug where my backlight wont work, yet a debian dev made a ppa to install and patch it. works great because it is specific, yet there is a bug where my laptop freezes when i close the lid for more then a few minutes sometimes. to generic to have any idea what to do somewhat <rww> (for both bug triage and support) <akk> Something that would be useful: have each (non ubuntu core) package have an obvious link to its upstream bug system. <pleia2> rww: truly not much, there simply aren't enough people to handle the bugs <akk> I confess I often file bugs on X or GNU utils or whatever in ubuntu, because I know where the ubuntu bug system is <rww> pleia2: right. and when someone wanders into #ubuntu with a question about some random science library that's synced from Debian and has never been touched by the hand of an @ubuntu.com... <akk> whereas if I reported them upstream, it means spending 45 minutes finding the upstream bug system, registering in it, then realizing I have to download the source to the latest version and figure out how to build and install it before it's worth reporting anything. <akk> esp. with X or the kernel (sometimes I will with kernel, because I know how to build that, but I have great sympathy with anyone who doesn't) <philipballew> I think ubuntu users who can handle their way in linux more then most should let people know what computer their running and if a bug on that system is files they should be notified. ( I think that is somewhat in place) <rww> I'd be interested in knowing if anyone else with the same computer system as me ever files a bug. The sheer improbability of it would be funny :P <akk> If launchpad could offer some link like "If this isn't an ubuntu-specific bug, go [here] and report the bug on version X.Y.Z" <akk> it might save a lot of bug reports that don't really belong in ubuntu <rww> akk: except then we irritate upstreams if there's an Ubuntu-specific bug. that's happened in the past, hence the "report to LP" encouragement <philipballew> i found a bug for 11.04 rww my laptop mic stopped after upgrade and all i did was add a line to my also sound confif but these people were still waiting for the update to occur and I felt bad for them as they were afraid to add a line in gedit <rww> or, e.g. Tor, which was horribly out of date in Ubuntu's repositories for a few versions to the point that upstream proclaims on their website not to use repository packages even though they're now up to date. If someone reported a bug against that ancient Ubuntu version upstream, I imagine the reaction wouldn't have been great. <philipballew> it affected everybody with my exact model <philipballew> kismet is 4 years out of date currently <philipballew> ^ no hope in sight and the kismet devs have a reporsity you need to add yourself to fix this problem. perhaps more help is needed to motu <rww> It's in universe and pulled from Debian. A quick look at the Debian side of things seems to suggest it may be orphaned there. Another case where improving Debian would improve Ubuntu :) <philipballew> would ubuntu breaking away from debian help a little? <rww> no. the packages need maintaining either way. best to stay close to Debian and not duplicate effort <philipballew> true, debian probably likes ubuntu for that somewhat? are we still binary compatible though? <philipballew> i think in some packages we are not <rww> ironically, the subset of Ubuntu's repositories that I use a lot (KDE) is maintained by the Kubuntu team and probably not pulling from ramirezanna@example.org. but I justify this because Kubuntu seem to have a better relationship with upstream KDE :) <rww> anyways, afk time <philipballew> ttyl rww <MarkDude> rww so you are saying that KDE talks well with KDE? Kinda meta <rww> MarkDude: no, I'm saying Kubuntu does. <MarkDude> Well KDE is its own group sorta. <MarkDude> MArk S sorta leaves them alone, from what I understand <rww> that a lot of Kubuntu folks are part of KDE reinforces my point :P <MarkDude> makes sense there would be more dialog with them <MarkDude> Cool, I had never heard that put that way <MarkDude> anyway- do your thing <DarkwingDuck> philipballew: ping <philipballew> sup DarkwingDuck <DarkwingDuck> Is there 'net access as Pennera? <philipballew> there is. free wifi with no time limit <DarkwingDuck> Nice. <DarkwingDuck> Okay, the other thing... what do we want to concentrate on at the jam? <philipballew> thats what I was wondering. you would probably know that better? <DarkwingDuck> Well, bugs are fun but, there is a learning curve. <DarkwingDuck> Testing is always good. <DarkwingDuck> and Upgradeing <DarkwingDuck> *Upgrading <philipballew> true, I can handle bugs if I need to. but not always needed. testing and upgrading might be easier for everyone * DarkwingDuck nods * DarkwingDuck ponders <philipballew> is there a list of things that need to be done somewhere? <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, I can gather that. <bkerensa> :) Our jam is gonna be epic... Got custom Ubuntu Oregon Global Jam shorts ordered... Food & Beverage and hopefully some giveaways :D <DarkwingDuck> Two links of intrest. <crashsystems> anyone in here hear of http://convergence.io/ yet? <DarkwingDuck> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Upgrade <DarkwingDuck> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Testing <DarkwingDuck> I'll have Natty CDs and some leftover lanyards. <DarkwingDuck> philipballew: Were you going to make a flyer? <philipballew> email these links out with an email ill have natty cd's I have 8 server cd's still. yeah. I was gonna mod the Ubuntu hour flyer I have. Can i email it to you in the next day or two? <philipballew> btw... I dont move back to sd till later this month <DarkwingDuck> Yeah... I only have 4 lanyards <DarkwingDuck> I have quite a few Natty CDs. Ubuntu, Kubuntu and a few server <philipballew> I have 2, would anyone here have any. im going to the sf hour next week <philipballew> maybe somebody there does <DarkwingDuck> I have enough CDs <philipballew> I do to, but laynards I mean? <philipballew> is that necessary you think? <DarkwingDuck> Not really, I was thinking of lanyarded name-tapes for people who are helping other in the jam. <DarkwingDuck> I'll toss my ideas in the email... I have to run really quick. <philipballew> makes sense, ill bring my two. haha. alright ill make the flayer and email it to you! <DarkwingDuck> I'll email those links and another idea I had. :D <philipballew> alright sweet! <DarkwingDuck> philipballew: email sent. <philipballew> DarkwingDuck, email received. <philipballew> I can have the flayer by tomorrow morning. I don't recall being able to send photos on the mailing list here though. <philipballew> probably give a link <DarkwingDuck> You an Ubuntu member phil? <philipballew> yes i am <DarkwingDuck> Use your people.ubuntu.com account :D <philipballew> alright! haha. sounds good then. <DarkwingDuck> BRB <pleia2> or https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-california/+junk/flyers ;) <philipballew> ill look into it. unsure what i need, but it looks good #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-08-06 <seidos> well, i've learned 2 things: 1. that jogging is easier with small quick steps as opposed to long strides and 2. that trail mix is a favorite food of mine <seidos> not just easier...but it appears to be quite efficient <philipballew> DarkwingDuck, what time to have a global jam would have the most people in your opinion? <philipballew> Fyi, I think that posted in several channels. xchat is kinds screwing around. * philipballew should probably switch from xchat <DarkwingDuck> philipballew: Oh I have no idea... 11-4 or something like that? <DarkwingDuck> 1-5 or 1-6? <philipballew> sounds good. the afternoon probably better then the morning you think? I was think that as well to <philipballew> 11 would be good. give people time to drive yet still have their saturday evening to do whatever * philipballew can get there early and reserver tables <philipballew> *reserve <DarkwingDuck> getting me up and somewhere in the morning on a saturday morning... Not a simple task :P <DarkwingDuck> So, Sept 3? <philipballew> haha, me as well. and If people from closer up to La come, they wont wanna have to ramirezanna@example.org. Yeah, Saturday seems best to me. Just a thought though <DarkwingDuck> No, Sat is good. <DarkwingDuck> BRB, shower time <philipballew> alright <philipballew> is the ubuntu circle of friends logo copyrighted? <grantbow> philipballew there are permitted uses. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy <philipballew> alright, I was gonna write Ubuntu onto the logo and put it on a flayer for a Ubuntu event. should work then if i put a credit on the flayer #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-08-07 * bkerensa pings pleia2 <MarkDude> bkerensa, she is doing installs for Partimus charity right now <bkerensa> oh :) <MarkDude> The Princess is busy with Dangerous G (grant bow) and a few others helping the labs * MarkDude would be there, but a friend is having a B day party she planned a long time ago <rww> ... and MarkDude is IRCing through it <MarkDude> Not yet rww <rww> :P <MarkDude> Oh, bkerensa did you know that rww is the dude behing Read Write Web? <rww> lies ^ <MarkDude> True story <MarkDude> lol <bkerensa> Really :) I thought a guy living here in Portland was :) <MarkDude> him and akk are the leaders for irc nicks you DONT NEED to use tab complete for <MarkDude> Any NorCal people want to go to Super Nerd Night SF on Tuesday? <MarkDude> https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=142009702551932 <bkerensa> I'm trying to find out how to get a copy of <bkerensa> http://ubuntu.kuzeko.com/ <bkerensa> which is the Ubuntu LoCo Wordpress Theme <bkerensa> :D <rww> bkerensa: I think: bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-website-community/ubuntu-website/light-wordpress-theme <bkerensa> nice <bkerensa> :) <bkerensa> ;p #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-08-08 <AlarmSpark> rww:o <rww> oh gods <jyo> ? <philipballew> he left quick <philipballew> well i think it was a he... <rww> spillover from #ubuntu-offtopic <rww> and yes, it's a guy <philipballew> this can be a off topic channel to somewhat <jyo> I assume this sort of randomness is par for the course for ops. <rww> it's par for the course for the Californian #ubuntu-offtopic users :\ <philipballew> crazy people! <iheartubuntu> nhaines is the man im lookin for... <iheartubuntu> my neighbor has a computer randomly shutting off and rebooting <iheartubuntu> im thinking power supply, but some people on forums across the net say it could be hard drive
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