#ubuntu-locoteams 2011-02-01 <Daviey> :(( <Daviey> *sigh* <Daviey> Just thought of one feature that is being cried out for.... ability to opt in to email notification of (re-)schedule of sessions. <mhall119> Daviey: we've got nigelb now, so we'll just give him all the new development tasks <Daviey> \o/ <mhall119> Daviey: not all users expose their email address via launchpad <Daviey> if lpid.email = Null: <Daviey> return E-CAN'T-SUBSCRIBE <Daviey> :) <cjohnston> Daviey: is it possible to get maintainer to summit hackers? <Daviey> cjohnston, To set bug importance? <cjohnston> well.. im not sure what it takes to setup translations and what not.. but i know that we dont have the ability to setup lp <Daviey> hmm * Daviey looks <paultag> cjohnston: to translate the LD? <cjohnston> paultag: summit <paultag> cjohnston: that's django, right? <cjohnston> LD is already translated to the extent that translators have translated it <cjohnston> yes <paultag> cjohnston: 5 minute job, just use the tools that are built in <paultag> cjohnston: and lp can handle translations for it as well <cjohnston> Right.. LP currently isnt setup for it <paultag> cjohnston: it's able to be, with a few clicks <cjohnston> i dont know whats involved in making it <cjohnston> never setup a project for translations <paultag> cjohnston: click on translations and follow the prompts <cjohnston> paultag: dont have access <Daviey> cjohnston, OK.. i think Canonical ISD need to enable it. <Daviey> They are the maintainer <cjohnston> we arent maintainers <cjohnston> ok <Daviey> I'll get onto that tomorrow <cjohnston> ok <Daviey> but for now.... <Daviey> BED <cjohnston> g'nite Daviey <Daviey> well... away from computer anyway :) <cjohnston> lol <cjohnston> I've missed you! you cant leave! <cjohnston> lol <cjohnston> Daviey: could you also ask them to enable blueprints please? <nigelb> mhall119: I guess this means, yo'd have to review that merge request soon :) <YoBoY> good morning <dholbach> good morning <cjohnston> mornin <Pendulum> hiya cjohnston <cjohnston> o/ <mhall119> morning <cjohnston> mhall119: we need jono and jcastro to make a django-hackers sprint happen for us and our hacking buddies <Daviey> ETOOMUCHTRAVEL :) <cjohnston> nope! <cjohnston> lol <cjohnston> We can come to you <cjohnston> oh ubuntu store... why must thou be so expensive <nigelb> cjohnston: +1 <nigelb> Daviey: I agree. We can come to you :p <Daviey> eeeeeeek * mhall119 needs a passport <cjohnston> you better start that process now mhall119 * daker need a passport too <daker> s/need/needs <nigelb> oooh <nigelb> cjohnston: now I get to kick mhall119 <nigelb> \o/ <cjohnston> lol * nigelb does happy dance <JanC> if anybody comes to FOSDEM and wants to take home a box of Belgian chocolates with Tux on them ( http://belfine.com/en/products/infobox.asp?ID=550 ) for their LoCoTeam or such, please contact me ;) <JanC> I think they are 15-20 â¬ for 150 pieces <cjohnston> JanC: you should send me some! :-P <cjohnston> mhall119, Daviey, dholbach, czajkowski, nigelb, daker.. did i miss anyone.. this isnt something i wanted to hear: https://lists.launchpad.net/launchpad-users/msg06214.html <czajkowski> cjohnston can u pm me a summary. on phone. please.... <Daviey> *sigh* <Daviey> mpt on this occasion is wrong IMO. <Daviey> it makes sense for, where possible, to push known data facts as high in the hierarchy as we can. <cjohnston> Daviey, could you respond? <Daviey> ~locoteams could, and should, be used in other resources. <Daviey> cjohnston, yah <cjohnston> ty <cjohnston> prolly be much more betterer than my response would be <paultag> yeah mpt is very wrong <paultag> because locoteams are supposed to be part of the wider ubuntu community, keeping everyone on LP is a statement that all our members have the tools to contribute <paultag> rather then keeping them off the system where we host, say, bugs, code, blueprints, translations <cjohnston> and then requiring memebership in two places <paultag> cjohnston: he's saying keep it in once place, off lp <paultag> I'm saying, keep it on one place, on lp <cjohnston> right.. but to file bugs... or anything else, your now up to two. LD and LP <paultag> We're not changing where we track loco users. kthx <paultag> cjohnston: LD is LP <paultag> cjohnston: it pulls from LP, so LD is a slave <cjohnston> Not with his suggestion <paultag> then he's wrong <cjohnston> I know * paultag goes back to school <cjohnston> shoot an email to the list while your at school :-P <paultag> cjohnston: I don't want to get dragged into this flame war <paultag> cjohnston: and mpt is not in a place to tell us how to change the teams <paultag> so, I'm going back to work, kthx <cjohnston> heh <paultag> cjohnston: oh, thought of something else before I leave -- do your homework and find all the official teams in violation <paultag> cjohnston: so, ubuntu-beginners, locoteams, locoteams-approved and so forth. Ask him to deactivate them or to quit his bitching <cjohnston> good point <dholbach_> cjohnston, if you're on the list, why don't you reply to it? <cjohnston> im trying to formulate a decient reply <cjohnston> and do school work <dholbach_> a good reply would be for example: "The LoCo Directory gets the list of Launchpad teams (because they already exist in LP), by parsing the members of ~locoteams and ~locoteams-approved. Thanks, have a nice day, ..." <dholbach> it's nothing I would get upset about <cjohnston> ya <dholbach> how are they supposed to know the internals of the LD? <dholbach> (also it might make sense to point out that we use -approved for team re-approvals, etc.) <dholbach> so we make good use of the LP functionality :) <mhall119> "how are they supposed to know the internals of the LD?" bzr branch lp:loco-directory <dholbach> mhall119, seriously, if they would say "bzr branch lp:launchpad", I would say "ok, don't bother - just go ahead what ever you want to do" <dholbach> I don't know how reasonable "just read the code" is :) <dholbach> I mean... the expectation that people do it to find out what the idea behind something is <dholbach> but maybe that's just me <YoBoY> JanC: funny :D <JanC> YoBoY: we will sell chocolates at the booth (but those who help can get some for free of course ;) ) <YoBoY> thanks for them :D (I don't go :'( ) <mhall119> dholbach: I was just saying, that's how they would konw the internals of LD if they wanted to know the internals of LD <mhall119> I completely agree that they most likely won't need to know the internals of LD that much <dholbach> sure <dholbach> :-) <mhall119> but it's not like it's some secret how we do things <nigelb> Well, wow <nigelb> did someone talk to mpt yet? <cjohnston> nigelb: doctormo replied <nigelb> cjohnston: \o/ <nigelb> cjohnston: which list is this? <nigelb> ah, lp-users <nigelb> perfect reply <nigelb> anyone seen ronnie around? <nigelb> Ok, so I'm hoping the summit reivews gets paced faster now that we have a UDS coming up soon <mhall119> nigelb: UDS is still like 3 months away <nigelb> mhall119: I thought we weren't going to deploy new summit 1 day before UDS :p <mhall119> nigelb: yeah, that's what we said last time too ;) <nigelb> haha <Ronnie> ping nigelb <nigelb> Ronnie: hey <Ronnie> nigelb: the branch about the google map that was broken beore should be fixed now <Ronnie> thx to the guys of #bzr <nigelb> \o/ <nigelb> where can I help you in that branch? <nigelb> on the bug you mentioned you had issues with the icon and formating the box <Ronnie> do you have time and want to work a bit for an hour? <nigelb> whoa, 1 hour --> its 00:30 here <nigelb> just tell me what you specifically need help and I list out how to get it done <Ronnie> oh ;) <nigelb> I've put some really good work with maps api :) <Ronnie> what needs to be done, is think about the information that should be shown in the popup when clicked on a marker <nigelb> you mean, how to show information in the popup? <Ronnie> the howto is already done. there is already a simple working example <nigelb> \o/ <Ronnie> but it need more information and some css <nigelb> oh, ok <Ronnie> i also updated my gmap js script a while ago, but it is not included in this branch <Ronnie> if you want to, you use my new script instead of my old <nigelb> can you update your branch somtime today so I can branch that one and check out how I can help? <Ronnie> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-django-foundations/map <nigelb> (well, I'll only look at it tomorrow) <Ronnie> documentation and code ^ <nigelb> oh, neat <Ronnie> for the content of the marker, look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-django-foundations/map#marker_content_url <Ronnie> yes, its an very easy and extendable code to use. for both static and dynamic websites <Ronnie> nigelb: an example of the new script: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ronnie.vd.c/map.html <nigelb> oh, that's very nicely done <Ronnie> gmaps and jquery are both my speciality <nigelb> \o/ <nigelb> Ronnie: Whats left to be done for the LD maps support? <Ronnie> nigelb: can you also look to the placing of the map on the page itsel <mhall119> Ronnie: you have a surprising number of LoCo members in the water ;) <nigelb> Ronnie: Its center for me <Ronnie> mhall119: im aware of that, even on the atlantic ocean and antartic <nigelb> and when I let it detect my location, it correctly goes to my city <mhall119> Ronnie: it looks great though <Ronnie> nigelb: yes, thats HTML5 geolocation stuff <Ronnie> if there is a single marker, it centers default to that single marker on a specified zoomlevel :D <nigelb> \o/ <Ronnie> nigelb: so, what needs to be done: <Ronnie> 1. integrate my new script (shouldnt be that hard, only some parameters are changed) <Ronnie> 2. place the map on the different pages ( add venue and global events are already done, but can use some styling) <Ronnie> 3. determine the content of the markers and write a django view + template for this <Ronnie> 4. determine which information the clusters should shown and write an jquery template ($.tmpl) for this <nigelb> Aha. <nigelb> I can help with that :) <Ronnie> nigelb: ill have a look if i cant do #1 today <nigelb> I should be able to help with the rest tomorrow :) <Ronnie> mhall119, nigelb: could there be interest for the gmap plugin within the ubuntu community (e.g. are you aware of that) <Ronnie> i myself have no time tomorrow, but i look at it thursday <mhall119> Ronnie: what exactly is the gmap plugin? <Ronnie> an javascript that is easy to use to place markers on a map, or select an location on a map <Ronnie> everythig discribed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-django-foundations/map <mhall119> Ronnie: I can see there being interested, yeah <Ronnie> mhall119: i already contacted edubuntu for mapping the schools <mhall119> I saw that <Ronnie> i think i have not the right tools and connections to get this script to the people who need it <mhall119> once we get it on loco.ubuntu.com it'll get some attention, and we can point people to where they can get it <Ronnie> so if you know someone, give him/her the link. if there are additional questions, you can even redirect them to me <cjohnston> mhall119: when do you want to do the LoCo Dir Dev Week Class? <Ronnie> cool loco dir dev week :D <cjohnston> not a week... a class... in dev week <mhall119> cjohnston: when is dev week? <cjohnston> 28-4 <cjohnston> end of this month <mhall119> yeah, I should be available <mhall119> if you can do it around lunch time US/Eastern, that'd work best for me <mhall119> otherwise after 8pm US/Eastern <cjohnston> 1600-2000 utc <mhall119> that's the times available? <mhall119> that's, what, 11am - 3pm? <cjohnston> looks like it <mhall119> should I just grab a spot, or ask someone? <cjohnston> if we are doing 1700 i could do wed or thurs only <mhall119> thursday won't work for me, dept. meeting <mhall119> why not 1700 on tuesday? <cjohnston> i work tues/fri <mhall119> ah, ok <mhall119> 1700 wed works for me <cjohnston> Getting Started with LoCo Directory Development? <mhall119> yup <mhall119> or LoCo Directory Hacking <daker> +1 for Getting Started with LoCo Directory Development <cjohnston> you dont like hacking daker ? <mhall119> nobody like hacking daker <cjohnston> lol <mhall119> it's violent <daker> yes <cjohnston> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable <mhall119> \o/ <Ronnie> hacking is not violent, but cracking is. altough hacking is usually associated with dangerous/bad/wrong <mhall119> it was a play on words <mhall119> "hack" can mean to cut or chop <Ronnie> oh, now i see :) <Pendulum> I was told that "hack" actually originally comes from the MIT model railroad society <Pendulum> dunno if it's urban myth or not <Pendulum> but the story is that they used to have an engine and stuff that people could borrow and play with as they wished. And that invariably every person did something different so they literally had to hack and chance the wires from the previous person's set-up #ubuntu-locoteams 2011-02-02 <mhall119> cjohnston: czajkowski: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/1/detail/ <mhall119> geez, we finally get this out the door, and nobody's around to celebrate it with me? <mhall119> :( * nigelb pops champange <nigelb> and hugs everyone <pleia2> mhall119: hooray!! <mhall119> yay! at least I can count on you nigelb <Pendulum> mhall119: congrats! <mhall119> thanks <mhall119> it was largely cjohnston and daker's work <nigelb> but we finally got it deployed \o/ <mhall119> I'm just happy to see it out, our first major UDS discussed feature <pleia2> oh, I broke it <mhall119> :( <mhall119> you could at least let it go a few minutes before ya break it <pleia2> sorry! <pleia2> I was so excited <nigelb> haha <pleia2> yeah, clicking on "Add Team Meeting" gives me error of doom <pleia2> it works from my loco team page though <mhall119> pleia2: this is what happens when you're on more than one team :( * pleia2 doesn't let pennsylvania go <nigelb> log bug <pleia2> yeah, known or should I file? <nigelb> this is fixable. We'll stop you from doing that or we'd have to give you choices <nigelb> (or we'll just kick out out of -us-pa :p) <pleia2> lol <mhall119> pleia2: I'm working on a fix now <nigelb> mhall119: *cough*, all fix commited are now fix released right? <mhall119> nigelb: let me fix this bug before I worry about that <nigelb> lol, ok <nigelb> oh no, its 9:20 <nigelb> should get to work <nigelb> hopefully, I'll get there before 10 <pleia2> oh time zones <mhall119> nigelb: good morning, btw <mhall119> pleia2: fix is committed,waiting on deployment <pleia2> \o/ <mhall119> how's that for service ;) <pleia2> I see akk's time zone fix was released recently too, hurrah <mhall119> part of the same 0.3.0 I think <mhall119> I also fixed you breaking things by leaving out times <pleia2> mhall119: thoughts on time zones? UTC is lousy for us, if we *actually* put it in UTC time it ends up on the wrong day and everyone is confused <pleia2> yeah, I saw that bug progress, good times :) <mhall119> pleia2: can you try again how you broke it earlier? <pleia2> ok <mhall119> right now LD doesn't set a timezone on a team, mostly because lots of teams span multiple timezones <pleia2> fixed \o/ <mhall119> Events were easy, because a Venue could only ever be in one <pleia2> yeah <mhall119> we're still trying to work out a good way to implement that * mhall119 owes bradm a drink <pleia2> oh, and if we don't put it in UTC the pedantic among us (in a linux community? no way!) stir up a fuss <mhall119> yeah <mhall119> so, it's UTC for now until we can figure out a good solution that'll work for everybody * pleia2 nods <mhall119> but we're open to ideas if you've got 'em <pleia2> can you just put a little time zone selection button next to the Time? <pleia2> so, Date, Time, Time Zone <mhall119> maybe <mhall119> right now a lot of that is handled for us automagically by Django <mhall119> okay folks, I'm off to bed <mhall119> talk to you all tomorrow <pleia2> night mhall119, great work! <dholbach> good morning <HakanS> dholbach: Good morning <daker> the new LD is deployed <czajkowski> yay <czajkowski> :D <daker> \o/ <YoBoY> good morning <YoBoY> stupid questions : how many new strings this new version of LD introduced to translate, and how many are deprecated compared to the last version ? <HakanS> How do I add a meeting to our LD page? <YoBoY> HakanS: log in, go to your team page and click on the menu item ;) <HakanS> YoBoY: Thanks. <nobuto> This version contains the fix for Bug #642132? <nobuto> At least lower left login name of the page shows my new ID properly. yay! <ubot4> Launchpad bug 642132 in django-openid-auth "openid nickname changes aren't handled (affects: 6) (dups: 3) (heat: 11)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/642132 <czajkowski> dholbach: how do I link two bugs together <dholbach> czajkowski, you mean make one a duplicate of each other? <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/711649 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/711750 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 711649 in loco-directory "My Name doesn't show in Meeting Chair list (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] <dholbach> "mark as duplicate"? <czajkowski> it's not a dupilicate as such but are similar <czajkowski> and effect one another <czajkowski> got Irish team to check it out and they have a few bugs. <czajkowski> re meeting feature <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/711756 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 711756 in loco-directory "when creating a meeting, you are asked for meeting minutes link (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/711754 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 711754 in loco-directory "meeting start/end time uses UTC, not local time (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] <cjohnston> YoBoY: no idea * cjohnston throws craighoward@example.net... way too much work this early in the morning! <cjohnston> mhall119: what was the bug you already pushed? <nigelb> cjohnston: the bug where someone is on 2 teams click on add meeting and ld asploes <nigelb> asplodes :p <cjohnston> why you shouldn't be a member of two teams that are across the country from each other! <cjohnston> i mean.. <cjohnston> ya <czajkowski> cjohnston: you know you love me deep down <cjohnston> uh huh <cjohnston> just for that... your gonna love your mail box! * czajkowski hugs cjohnston <nigelb> cjohnston: ask lyz why she's still hoding on to -us-pa :p <nigelb> cjohnston: anyway, I think mike fixed it. <cjohnston> unfortunatly, she isnt the only one <cjohnston> i know of two <nigelb> lol <cjohnston> itd be one thing if there was a central florida team, and a florida team <cjohnston> but when you have to FLY to an event <cjohnston> really? :-P * nigelb waits for cjohnston to be smacked on the head <czajkowski> cjohnston: I'm a member of UK and ireland :) and oh Ma D <czajkowski> :D <cjohnston> again.. if you have to get on a plane or boat.... ...... <cjohnston> Looks like about 30 emails or so <cjohnston> ;-) <czajkowski> cjohnston: I am not picking one team over another I'm in UK and ireland so not dropping either :) <cjohnston> :-P * czajkowski frowns at cjohnston <czajkowski> there was no need for that <mhall119> czajkowski: re: bug 711754, some teams have multiple timezones <ubot4> Launchpad bug 711754 in loco-directory "meeting start/end time uses UTC, not local time (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Wishlist,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711754 <mhall119> oh nevermind, I see cjohnston's already commented on it <mhall119> anyway, as I told pleia2 last night, we're open to solutions that'll work for those teams <mhall119> cjohnston: dholbach: I updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoDirectory/ReleaseProcess to match what they *actually* do when deploying LD <andrew> morning <dholbach> mhall119, aha, thanks <czajkowski> mhall119: talk to ebel <czajkowski> :) <mhall119> czajkowski: get him in here and I will ;) <mhall119> hmmm, team webchat isn't showing <mhall119> nigelb: can you take a look ^^ <mhall119> oh nevermind <mhall119> it was evidently just slow loading <nigelb> mhall119: o/ <nigelb> oh, wait. It fixed itself \o/ <nigelb> I love the kind of bugs that fix themselves :D <mhall119> yeah, those are the best <mhall119> nigelb: but if you want to work on bug 706657, that would be great <ubot4> Launchpad bug 706657 in loco-directory "Add link to join meeting channel on meeting detail page (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/706657 * nigelb updates LD branch to work on it <nigelb> mhall119: wait, cjohnston claimed it :| <mhall119> yeah like a week ago <nigelb> oh :p <nigelb> I should just submit a merge request :p <nigelb> mhall119: did you decide what to do for the asploding bug of last night? <mhall119> yeah, I fixed it <nigelb> \o/ <czajkowski> mhall119: he's in #ubuntu-ie <mhall119> but I don't speak Irish <czajkowski> he doesnt always either <mhall119> lol <czajkowski> ebel: boo <czajkowski> mhall119: talk to ebel <ebel> boo <mhall119> ack! <ebel> i can haz timezones! <mhall119> some people want more than one <ebel> Indeed. <ebel> So is there not some way to accomodate teams with >1 timezone? <ebel> Falling back to UTC seems like a bad way. <mhall119> there may be, but what that is I don't yet know <mhall119> pleia2 suggested adding an additional drop-down for Timezone when setting up a meeting <ebel> Allow someone to enter the meeting start time using one timezone. Then look at all events for that team, see what timezones they use <mhall119> that's an expensive lookup <ebel> and on the irc meeting page show the start time in those timezones (sorta like the "7, 8 central" TV time thing)? <mhall119> we can let teams pick multiple timezones that apply to them, then provide a drop-down with just those <mhall119> hmm, that may end up displaying a lot of times <mhall119> especially for the French and Russian teams <mhall119> Canadian too <mhall119> has at least 4 I think <ebel> Er not that expensive. There are sub30,000 events. (sub 300 teams Ã sub 100 events per team per year Ã sub 10 years life expectancy) <nigelb> hrm, how about I select a time zone for myself. and show me everything in that time zone? <mhall119> nigelb: we're working on that <nigelb> But that's going to cause so many changes and dst breakage that it scares me <mhall119> no dst breakage, because we'd store timezone not offset <nigelb> ah <ebel> *or* maintain a set of 'seen timezomes' for each team. When an event for a team is created, add that timezone to that event. then it's just a simple look up <ebel> DST! No! bold nigelb! There is no such thing as dst! :P <mhall119> ebel: I'd rather let teams pick their timezones explicitly if we're going to go that route <nigelb> ebel: I keep telling people there is no DST. mhall119 disagrees :p <mhall119> nigelb: I wish it were true, but sadly it is not <ebel> (I know DST or summer time or whatever is what's commonly in popular parlance) <nigelb> we should just setup a site saynotodst.com <mhall119> +1 <nigelb> and get everyone to plege support :p <ebel> However if you stop thinking of DST it becomes much easier to grok timezones when you think of them with different offsets <nigelb> exactly <mhall119> at that point we may as well all start thinking in UTC and stop thinking of 1200 as being "mid-day" <ebel> Swatch time! <ebel> aaaaaanyway. In our loco we only have one timezone. <mhall119> right <czajkowski> as does UK, Spain,France Italy, Denmark etc <mhall119> and if it were only your loco we'd be fine <czajkowski> mhall119: well to be fair the majority of locos are this way <czajkowski> :) <ebel> czajkowski: wonder is greenland part of 'denmark' :P Might have >1 timezone... <mhall119> czajkowski: yes but, to be fair, the majority of our bugs come from those that aren't * mhall119 looks at YoBoY <YoBoY> ? <nigelb> heh <czajkowski> mhall119: right just trying to find a happy medium which doesnt frustate everyone <ebel> Why not let meeting organisers enter the time of a meeting in a timezone-ized time? Then each team needs to put in "our loco works on these timezones" <ebel> that tells you (a) how to interpret the data the meeting creator enters and (b) what to show on the meeting detail page. <mhall119> ebel: I'm thinking that's the best route, yes <ebel> Given that many many ubuntu irc meetings are in UTC, showing an irc meeting for a loco in UTC could get confusing. <mhall119> that doesn't make sense <mhall119> if many many irc meetings are already in UTC, why would having irc meetings in UTC cause more confusion? <ebel> If they are not actually held in UTC. <ebel> e.g. irish loco are held at 8pm, regardless if ireland is on GMT or IST. <ebel> If the meeting page says 8pm UTC, then for half the year the meetings won't start at the advertised time. <mhall119> ebel: okay, I understand now <YoBoY> my french point of view, when I organise an IRC meeting, I put the hour in my timezone and add an UTC hour to keep it clear for every participant who are not in the same timezone. I think we can let the chairman decide in witch timezone it's the best to communicate for the meeting, and always add the UTC in the same view for the others. <ebel> some people don't grok UTC. <YoBoY> in th wiki.ubuntu.com the UTC times are always linked to a website to have all the hours in the world, we can use the same thing <ebel> Some think UTC is the same as GMT, which is obviously the same as the time in London. Ireland is the same time as london, so 2000 UTC in July is assumed to be 8pm irish time <ebel> You're assuming people (a) will go to all that trouble and (b) won't get confused. <YoBoY> people are always confused when you present more than one information <mhall119> ebel: YoBoY: czajkowski: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/711754/comments/2 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 711754 in loco-directory "meeting start/end time uses UTC, not local time (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Wishlist,Invalid] <ebel> mhall119: looks good <mhall119> the problem with that solution is that teams with more than one timezone won't have them sorted <mhall119> so you may use one 90% of the time, and the other 10% of the time, but the 10% timezone may always be sorted to be on top, making it the default selection <ebel> Some suggestions: Don't show UTC (or make it optional), and if there is only one timezone for a team don't mention craighoward@example.net. <mhall119> ebel: I think it should be mentioned if it's going to be used <ebel> Since in ireland we have 1 timezone. We never talk about things started at "8pm Dublin time", it's always "8pm" <mhall119> except czajkowski likes to think in UTC <ebel> Since within ireland that is completly unambiguous <ebel> oooooooh..... cztab facts..... like chuck norris facts....... <czajkowski> mhall119: I have to in this channel, but outside of here, tis just odd <mhall119> ebel: suppose you're going up for re-approval, the loco-council isn't on Dublin time <mhall119> or you've got a guest speaking from another timezone <mhall119> you're going to want to show what timezone it's using somewhere <YoBoY> my team need to show the UTC for the meetings, it's not just the country timezones, every french people (like in french talking) is invited in our team meetings <ebel> (a) never had any guests in ~ 36 irc meetings. (b) last approval we told everyone the irish time equiv. <ebel> 90% of our members didn't need to know the UTC of loco-council <paultag> ebel: wait, what? <paultag> ebel: I'm in EST. we use UTC because everyone uses UTC <ebel> YoBoY: s/french people/french speaker/ <YoBoY> yes <ebel> anyways, optional utc showing isn't a big one. <mhall119> ebel: YoBoY: czajkowski: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/711754 see comment #3 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 711754 in loco-directory "meeting start/end time uses UTC, not local time (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Wishlist,Invalid] <czajkowski> paultag: pipe down you <ebel> mhall119: comment #3 seems to just institutionalise one timezone. Why not just see if the .count() is 1? makes it dynamic. <mhall119> ebel: because Florida has 2, US/Eastern covers 90% of the state, US/Central covers 10% <mhall119> but US/Central would be listed first when sorted alphabetically <ebel> ah i see <ebel> *shrug* up to you then. you know more about multitimezoned-teams <mhall119> but that way you can set Dublin time as your team's default, not chose any alternates, and it'll 'just work' for you <YoBoY> mhall119: i like the number one <mhall119> we can also use the default timezone for physical team events that don't have a venue <mhall119> cjohnston: when you can, I'd like your thoughts on the proposed solutions in https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/711754 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 711754 in loco-directory "meeting start/end time uses UTC, not local time (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Wishlist,Invalid] <YoBoY> ho I don't if you want a bug for that, but I think the end date for a meeting should be remplaced by a duration <YoBoY> +know <mhall119> having end times makes calculations and queries significantly easier on us <YoBoY> perhaps just for the display... <ebel> mhall119: calculate the end date from duration when meeting is created? <ebel> this is what the save() method is for :P <mhall119> I just don't see a significant upside to doing it that way <mhall119> over-writing .save() has it's own perils <ebel> easier for the user to enter, ergo more people will use LD <ebel> I know most of our meetings take 1Â½ hrs <YoBoY> ;) <ebel> Remove barriers to usage, less hoops to jump through etc. <mhall119> is it significantly harder to enter a 4-digit time than a 3-digit duration? <ebel> 3 digits? <mhall119> we even give you a nice JQuery-UI time picker <ebel> And yes the LD uses some weird time picker thing <mhall119> ebel: 1:30 <mhall119> I suppose you can do 1.5 hours <mhall119> using decimals <mhall119> but I still don't see it being that bad <ebel> Tis 25% longer to type <mhall119> Events use end-datetime, and it doesn't seem to be preventing it's use <ebel> :P <mhall119> 0.25 * practically nothing = still practically nothing <nigelb> lol <YoBoY> on events it's normal to have an end date, some events have more than 1 day duration. But IRC meetings are always limited in time <mhall119> I understand the use-case <YoBoY> but that was just an idea, not really a bug, i don't care entering an end date or not <mhall119> but right now difference in usability just doesn't justify the technical requirements to implement it <YoBoY> yes <YoBoY> the "when" display on the meeting detail page only display the date once, so it's fine like that <mhall119> czajkowski: just read "Being a locoteam", wish we had gotten the meetings feature deployer sooner so it could have gotten a mention, but a good article <czajkowski> thank you <mhall119> hopefully being able to see past meetings + past events will help you when reviewing team activity <andrew> mhall119: Tried logging out and back in. ( Bug #711649 ) <ubot4> Launchpad bug 711649 in loco-directory "My Name doesn't show in Meeting Chair list (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711649 <mhall119> andrew: thanks, still no profile though <mhall119> there's a daily script to update profiles, that should pull in your info <andrew> when does that run? <mhall119> but we need to do something to make it happen at login <mhall119> andrew: I don't know exactly <andrew> kk, well, it most likely hasn't run in the past 13 hours <andrew> Shouldn't it take the info when I log in? Launchpad is sharing my name and loco already <andrew> I'll try again in 11 hours <mhall119> andrew: I'm getting a sysadmin to kick it off now <mhall119> hopefully it'll be there in the next hour <mhall119> you are right, it should get profile info at login, but it currently doesn't <andrew> So, we keep the bug open and change it to saying it should add info at login instead of daily? <YoBoY> I can't copy an event, someone can confirm ? <mhall119> andrew: yup, already did that <mhall119> YoBoY: are you getting an error? <mhall119> or just not getting the option? <YoBoY> LoCo Directory has encountered an Error! <mhall119> okay, I'm getting it, can you file a bug please? <YoBoY> yes <mhall119> thanks <YoBoY> bug 699692 << this is already reported no ? <ubot4> Launchpad bug 699692 in loco-directory "Copying team event fails (affects: 1) (heat: 4)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/699692 <mhall119> YoBoY: different underlying cause <YoBoY> ok <YoBoY> bug 712011 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 712011 in loco-directory "Can't copy an event (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712011 <mhall119> thanks <YoBoY> you're welcome <mhall119> evidently it's something that was fixed between 1.1.2 (which I use for testing) and 1.1.1 (which is used in production) <nigelb> 1.1.1 of what? <mhall119> django <mhall119> andrew: good news, you have a profile now! <nigelb> mhall119: ah <andrew> woo! I exist! <cjohnston> czajkowski: what was there no need for? <mhall119> cjohnston: my guess is marking the meetings localtime bug as invalid <mhall119> andrew: I'm leaving your bug open so we can fix the initial cause <mhall119> YoBoY: can you test copying events again? <YoBoY> mhall119: working now <mhall119> awesome <YoBoY> thanks :) <mhall119> no probelm <mhall119> ebel: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/664/detail/ <ebel> indeed <mhall119> because I look forward to your feedback on using the meeting feature <mhall119> especially using the agenda items <ebel> integrate it with mootbot and i'm sold <mhall119> ebel: already talking to AlanBell about that <ebel> in fact some sort of irc bot interface to loco directory would be the business <ebel> I remember saying this to czajkowski when i first heard of LD <mhall119> ebel: LD already has a read-only JSON interface, so we're half way there <ebel> That it would be possible to beat the existing multitude of systems <ebel> Lots of things (e.g. wiki) are easy peasy to get started. <ebel> just type in here, it's all free form, we haven't decided on what to do etc. <cjohnston> do be do] <ebel> however there's a lot of repediate work <ebel> so the LD could beat it <ebel> *could* :P <mhall119> s/could/will/ <ebel> Yep :) <YoBoY> I just added 16 ubuntu events in France, next step, rule the world :D <mhall119> I'm pretty sure there's a ???? step in between <mhall119> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoDirectory/API#Team+Meetings updated the LD API docs to include meeting and agenda services <YoBoY> perhap's the "make some friends to help me rule the world" first ? <mhall119> Jono just announced that UDS-P will be back in Orlando! <jledbetter> Awesome! <mhall119> jledbetter: so, start planning now <jledbetter> mhall119, Why plan? I can just crash with y'all ;) <mhall119> well yeah, but plan on being here <pleia2> oh goodie, maybe I can go this time and attach a disney+family trip <mhall119> +1 <pleia2> (see how disney is first there?) <pleia2> hehe <andrew> and family is in there? Is there more than you and him? <mhall119> it's better <pleia2> andrew: yeah, I have family in orlando and melbourne <andrew> Ah <andrew> So do I (well, right outside of orlando) <pleia2> my aunt used to live in celebration, I think she moved to orlando proper though <cjohnston> Daviey: do you have time (I know you don't) to review the merge request to fix the sponsorship page for summit so that we can get that fix pushed out? <Agus> hola!hay alguien? <Agus> hey guys? <Agus> anyone? <mhall119> hi Agus <Agus> hi <Agus> who are u? <mhall119> mhall119 <mhall119> :) <Agus> a normal ubuntu user Â¿ <Agus> or a memer of the support team? <Agus> # member <mhall119> I'm an Ubuntu user <mhall119> but "normal" might be giving more credit than I'm due <Agus> ok <czajkowski> this is very true <Agus> I came here <mhall119> czajkowski: hey now, be supportive <mhall119> Agus: welcome <czajkowski> I am <czajkowski> :) <mhall119> czajkowski: i can at least act normal when I need to <mhall119> that's enough isn't it? <czajkowski> this is true <czajkowski> I can too <czajkowski> wok made me all permant today <Agus> cause in 15 days I will have to talk in my class about any free software,i choose ubuntu,in some way, we have to sell the porduct, so we can wear tshirts gift things give things,merchandising.... <mhall119> czajkowski: wok made you permant? Um..that sounds bad...I think <czajkowski> noo <pleia2> czajkowski: congrats! <czajkowski> permanent <pleia2> (but not unexpected, I think :)) <czajkowski> pleia2: thank you <czajkowski> :D <mhall119> czajkowski: like, hired on full time? <czajkowski> mhall119: aye <mhall119> I thought you already where <mhall119> Agus: unfortunately 15 days isn't much time to get anything to you <mhall119> but Canonical does have programs for doing so <Agus> what kind of? <mhall119> shipit.ubuntu.com will send you free CDs <mhall119> if you're part of a local community (LoCo) of Ubuntu users, you may be able to get more <mhall119> where do you live? <Agus> spain <Agus> madrid <Agus> maybe i can have 20 days <mhall119> you should try getting in touch with the Spain LoCo <Agus> ok! <mhall119> try the #ubuntu-es channel <mhall119> they might be able to get you some things faster than ordering from Canonical <Agus> spanish wepage so strange... <cjohnston> mhall119: have the updates that have been pushed to prod been put in trunk? <cjohnston> mhall119: can you give this and try and see if you have the problem (or anyone else)... i didnt get any meetings from my import-live-data <cjohnston> Ronnie: daker nigelb ^^ <daker> sorry i am upgrading to maverick ã <Ronnie> cjohnston: meetings was not supported in import-live-data, i dont even know if the server side supports is <Ronnie> is = it #ubuntu-locoteams 2011-02-03 <mhall119> cjohnston: yes, updated I did to production have been merged into trunk <mhall119> cjohnston: meetings+agenda aren't part of import-live-data yet <mhall119> because there wasn't a way to test it until meetings+agenda were actually live and had data <mhall119> not that it's live, and there is a JSON service for both, it should be easy enough to add them into import-live-data <cjohnston> mhall119: since you were complaining earlier, there is your patch <mhall119> what was i complaining about? <mhall119> oh nice <mhall119> nigelb: don't bother with the meeting chat link, cjohnston's already done it <nigelb> oh no <cjohnston> that one <cjohnston> lol <nigelb> \o/ <nigelb> I'm on the paper for ubuntu developer day <nigelb> (small, local paper) <cjohnston> plenty of other bugs for you to work on nigelb <cjohnston> mhall119: bug if you go to planet.u.c and look at the link bar there.. that is all that got approved.. that doesnt support what he is requesting... <cjohnston> mhall119: you good with nigelb approving it and me committing it or do you want to look at it <mhall119> cjohnston: I'm okay with nigelb reviewing <mhall119> what was this about planet? <YoBoY> bonjour <nigelb> Bonjor YoBoY <YoBoY> hi nigelb :) <dholbach> good morning <czajkowski> oh since when on the LD did we get images from launchpad from people <czajkowski> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/615/detail/ <czajkowski> looks rather nice <mhall119> morning <mhall119> czajkowski: it is nice isn't it <mhall119> daker added that <Ronnie> mhall119: i see in global_event_detail.inc.html the tag {% block extrahead %}{{ block.super }} ... {% endblock %} . as expected this does not work. Therefore the head files will be loaded within the body instead of, in the head. i guess there are more examples of this in other templates. Do you know whats the best solution to do this? <Ronnie> is it possible to use *.inc.html in the python codee and let it extend *.html <mhall119> Ronnie: I don't understand what you mean <Ronnie> mhall119: ill make a small sample on pastebin, one moment <mhall119> okay, I see what you mean about the extrahead, and yes it won't work in that template <mhall119> cjohnston: are you still planning on blogging about the new meeting feature? <Ronnie> http://pastebin.com/nUvPhCtC <Ronnie> mhall119: what should be the preferred way to solve this... <Ronnie> 1. place the extrahead in *.html instead of *.inc.html <Ronnie> 2. call *.inc.html from the python code, and let this extend *.html <mhall119> the photo feed code doesn't actually need to be in the <head>, so I'd say just remove the block tags from around it <Ronnie> true, but i still think its better to have it in the head (page loading speed, consistency) <mhall119> then I'd move it out of .inc.html and put it in the extrahead block of global_event_detail.html <mhall119> maybe even refactor all that inline javascript into a separate .js file <Ronnie> yes, that should be a very good idea, just wanted to create a bugreport for it <Ronnie> im also starting to do an case study for usabilit. sometimes the flow of the page just isnt right <Ronnie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/712440 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 712440 in loco-directory "twitter, picasaweb, flickr, pixie should be a separate .js file (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] <Ronnie> mhall119: idea: add a latitude/longitude to each loco and replace the /teams/ list by an google map with markers. and provide a list of non-map loco's. what do you think about it? <Ronnie> pros: easier to find your own loco, have a better view of the countries that do not have a loco. this lat/lng can also be used to center the maps on other team pages <Ronnie> cons: each loco has to suppy a lat/lng, page loads slower <Ronnie> cons: cannot be searched by 'ctrl+f'. what about accessibility? <mhall119> Ronnie: lon/lat won't work for some of our teams <Ronnie> mhall119: for example? <mhall119> French team <mhall119> Where I really want to have a map is on the /events/ page <mhall119> using team event venues <Ronnie> i think that would not be that difficult <Ronnie> mhall119: whats the reason why the french team cannot supply lat/lng of the center of their loco/ <Ronnie> ? <mhall119> Ronnie: because the French team isn't limited to just France, then include all French-speaking people <mhall119> all over the world <mhall119> YoBoY: ^^ <mhall119> YoBoY: do you think you could provide a single longitude/latitude to mark the location of the French team? <Ronnie> mhall119: ah ic. maybe its possible to create multiple markers for one loco. each for the separate countries <mhall119> maybe * mhall119 just sent an email to loco-contacts announcing the LD Meetings feature <AlanBell> I need to dust off the mootbot code <AlanBell> anyone want to help? <mhall119> o/ <mhall119> 33 <mhall119> /fail <komputes> dpm: ping <dpm> heya komputes <komputes> dpm: regarding https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=628593 - salgado has opened a similar bug - http://pad.lv/712582 <ubot4> Gnome bug 628593 in Mailer "Default account setting not observed on reply" [Normal,Unconfirmed] <dpm> komputes, oh right. After not replying to my last response I though there wasn't much interest upstream in looking into that. Glad to see someone also annoyed by this bug :) - thanks for the heads up <komputes> dpm: if you can confirm the behavior, perhaps we can ask that GNOME developers change the code to either relational (when viewing account3 and hitting new/reply creates a new email from account3) or static (default account = always use this email when sending mail) <dpm> ok, let me reread salgado's report and see if I can confirm <dpm> ok, confirmed it <toros> hi <YoBoY> mhall119: where ? <YoBoY> Ronnie, mhall119 what are you refering to ? <Ronnie> mhall119: idea: add a latitude/longitude to each loco and replace the /teams/ list by an google map with markers. and provide a list of non-map loco's. what do you think about it? <Ronnie> (15:21:07) mhall119: Ronnie: lon/lat won't work for some of our teams <Ronnie> (15:37:26) mhall119: Ronnie: because the French team isn't limited to just France, then include all French-speaking people <Ronnie> (15:38:38) Ronnie: mhall119: ah ic. maybe its possible to create multiple markers for one loco. each for the separate countries <YoBoY> ok, the subject started 1 hour before the hl ^^" <Ronnie> i guess <YoBoY> it's a good idea, but like mhall119 said, some teams have more than one country, why can't you use the country field ? or the timezone ? <Ronnie> use the country field or timezone to place a point on a map <Ronnie> the country (many2many) field should be possible, but by a cron job i guess, because for each country we have to send a request to the google location service <YoBoY> wtf !! I changed the language from french to english, and when I edit my team details the form is not the same :O <Ronnie> YoBoY: what do you mean? <YoBoY> I make some screenshots ^^" <YoBoY> ok, forget that, my webbrowser cache probably xD I can't reproduce ^^" #ubuntu-locoteams 2011-02-04 <cjohnston> howdt <cjohnston> howdy <mhall119> hiya <mhall119> how was class? <cjohnston> alot better than i expected <cjohnston> day two tomorrow <cjohnston> still a very long day though <mhall119> what's it for? <cjohnston> its a leadership class <cjohnston> for the FD <mhall119> going for a promotion? <cjohnston> yes.. its not required.. <cjohnston> but its free.. and hopefully ill pick up a couple things <mhall119> can't beat that <cjohnston> its a decent bit about psychology type stuff <cjohnston> how to talk to different types of people <cjohnston> how to understand different types of people <cjohnston> how to convey messages to where they are responded to better <mhall119> hmm, I could use that <cjohnston> im sure that the class exists outside the fire department world * mhall119 is playing with dynamic models in Django <mhall119> it feels like I'm playing with explosives <mhall119> or Perl <nhandler> mhall119: Hey! Don't ever insult the power of Perl (although, I still think shebang sounds like an explosive) <mhall119> I'd never insult Perl <mhall119> I meant it has the same feel <mhall119> that there's more than one way to do it, but that doesn't mean you should, but it does mean want to anyway * nhandler thinks that last sentence was more confusing than any of his Perl scripts <mhall119> oh come on, I could parse that with a regular expression <nhandler> mhall119: Parsing is not the same as understanding <mhall119> tell that to Perl <mhall119> nhandler: http://webscripts.softpedia.com/script/Database-Tools/Sequel-Explorer-42207.html <mhall119> http://sourceforge.net/projects/sqladministrato/ is a better link <mhall119> me and Perl have a history <JanC> *pfff* Unity is rendering most of our locoteam's demo hardware "useless" :-/ <mhall119> JanC: using Alpha 2? <JanC> installing alpha 2 on soem hardware to show at FOSDEM ;) <JanC> they are old Thinkpads <JanC> RR51 <JanC> -R <JanC> apparently they have a 855 IGP, which isn't supported well anymore by Intel, so no 3D, and no (real) Unity... :-( <mhall119> have you tried Unity 2D? <JanC> yeah, running that on one now <JanC> are Places broken in "normal" Unity too? <JanC> or is this just Unity 2D ? <JanC> I think most/all of the hardware ubuntu-be owns for demo purposes can't run the 3D Unity :-/ <mhall119> I don't know, I haven't tried Unity since 10.10 <mhall119> but I've heard people say the 2D/QT version is quite fast now <JanC> it's fast, just that Places doesn't work, so I need a terminal to launch applications ;) <JanC> well, or navigate to /usr/bin/ every time <JanC> it's an alpha of course ;) <JanC> I hope unity-2d will keep (almost) feature-parity with unity for some years... <JanC> mhall119: is there a reason why the loco-directory uses only UTC? :-/ <mhall119> JanC: for meetings we use UTC <mhall119> only because we haven't decided on a good way to implement 'local time' for IRC meetings <mhall119> LD uses local time for Events if they have a venue <JanC> for most LoCoTeams there isn't more than 1 local time <mhall119> I think we have a plan for adding local times to meetings and elsewhere in LD though <mhall119> JanC: lots of them have multiple though, and we need to make is useable to them too <JanC> I guess the other solution is to let people set their timezone in their profile... <mhall119> JanC: see the comments in https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/711754 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 711754 in loco-directory "meeting start/end time uses UTC, not local time (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] <mhall119> JanC: that's also in the works, we have a UserProfile that can store timezone, and I think we're getting it from Launchpad <JanC> ah <JanC> would also be nice to associate a list of timezones to a locoteam then <JanC> when entering a date/time the user's timezone could be used, when displaying all the team's timezones, that would be great indeed <mhall119> that's the plan <JanC> so, time to get some sleep <nigelb> Morning *yawn* <mhall119> good morning nigelb <nigelb> hola mhall119 <mhall119> good night nigelb <YoBoY> good morning <nigelb> hey YoBoY <YoBoY> how are you nigelb ? <nigelb> Good good. Glad about weekend today :) <dholbach> good morning <toros> hi <YoBoY> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrenchTeam/TeamReports/11/January << French Team report done <head_victim> YoBoY: thanks for the reminder *goes off to finish his <locodir-user> join # ubuntu <locodir-user> good evening very body <locodir-user> is there any one online <loyrsf> exit <loyrsf> or so <cjohnston> /45 <mhall119> /46 <mhall119> I win <cjohnston> :-P <mhall119> I lied, I only have 36 #ubuntu-locoteams 2011-02-05 <locodir-user> hello <tjenakompis> hej jag Ã¤r frÃ¥n sverige <tjenakompis> how are you? <Ronnie> hey everyone <mhall119> morning <Ronnie> are flickr groups (instead of users) supported for loco.ubunut.com? <daker> Ronnie, no <Ronnie> it shouldnt be that hard <Ronnie> replace user_id by group_id works <daker> replace it where ? <Ronnie> in the javascript part <Ronnie> it should check the response with the userId, if error, try groupID <daker> patch is welcome ã <Ronnie> ill work on that one soon, our loco needs it ;) <daker> ã <daker> mhall119, cjohnston this bug #617920 should go with the 0.3.0 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 617920 in loco-directory "Include launchpad logos with launchpad users (affects: 1) (heat: 5)"
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