#ubuntu-uds-plenary 2013-11-19 * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-plenary to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/plenary/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/19/%23ubuntu-uds-plenary.html * popey gets tea and biscuits * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-plenary to: Track: | Intro by Jono Bacon | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22027/intro-by-jono-bacon-keynote-by-mark-shuttleworth/ <mdeslaur> \o * Ursinha waves <alecu> hola! <winael> Hi everyone <cheerockie> hi <balloons> howdy howdy <jono> hey all <karni> hi! <manornk> hey all <WebbyIT> o/ <Aung> Yes? <DanChapman> \o <dobey-uds> no <bittin> o/ <timchen119> o/ <dholbach> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22027/intro-by-jono-bacon-keynote-by-mark-shuttleworth/ <Saviq> jono, it's working :) <zyga> jono: live <xnox> 23s rolling. <layolayo> working <dholbach> woohoo <Ursinha> it's on <cheerockie> great <rickspencer3> o/ jono <ogra_> hey jono <tvoss_> jono o/ <slavo> yes, yes <bittin> i can see you Jono =) <Azendale> I can hear you, now I just have to find the right tab <NuSuey> it's working :) <alecu> I can hear you fine <winael> Hello Jono <cheerockie> hello Jono, hello Mark <MaoKue> I can see u :) <MRgauss> test <manornk> Yeah, we see you <Lord_Ankalus> I see <NuSuey> hello mark & jono:) <netcurli> hello jono <xstoro> hello jeno its live <coen22> I can see you <zyga> \o/ :) <winael> Is someone is in charge of the minute of the plenary ? <Vipindev> I am who I am... <TReda> Hello everybody ! <Vipindev> I cannot enter into pad <ravi> hi <Vipindev> Someone help me to enter into pad <karni> Vipindev: I suspect it is disabled for the keynote. I might be wrong, though. <Vipindev> Oh! <Vipindev> Anyway, no need right now.. <ravi> i`ve a question? <zyga> karni: I can open the pad with the dedicated link <Ursinha> Vipindev, http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-intro-by-jono-bacon-keynote-by-mark-shuttleworth <karni> zyga: aha, thanks Ursinha <zyga> though pad seems to work for me now on other pages <zyga> so try that <Ursinha> no problem :) sometimes you need to click in the external notes window so it can log you in <Ursinha> and then it works <ravi> how to install devc6 lib in ubuntu??? <zyga> is it just me or is that the old ubuntu logo in the icon? <zyga> the page icon that is <mhall119> ravi: this isn't a time for support <mhall119> ravi: try #ubuntu <ogra_> ravi, this kind of question should be better asked in #ubuntu <ravi> ok <WebbyIT> wow, what fantastic numbers! <Ursinha> lol <ogra_> hippie goat ! <NikTh> Who is speaking now ? Mark or Jono ? Voices are too identical .. :-P <ogra_> jono <cwayne_> NikTh, jono <zyga> NikTh: jono <zyga> ogra_: hey, long time :) <ogra_> :) <WebbyIT> lol <bipul> Hello :d <ogra_> this slide kind of looked like a variation of the ballemr song <ogra_> *ballmer <manornk> jono: Can you answer me just one question. I am CEO at NGO, and want to promote Ubuntu, and tech through it. Is there any way to be licenced, by Ubuntu? <xnox> manornk: what do you want to do? in practice no license is required to use or promote ubuntu. <popey> manornk: this isn't really a Q&A session. <xnox> manornk: have you contacted your local Ubuntu LoCo team? <manornk> xnox: I want to promote, and kind of make goverment to change their OS. I need independent work, I need some CDs, some marketing materials, so we can work productivly <Guest82538> Marta <MooDoo> manornk: sounds like you need to contact your nearest loco team :) <xnox> manornk: get in touch with Ubuntu Community Council and chat to them. They can provide/approve CDs marketing materials, etc. <xnox> manornk: if your local LoCo team is approved, they may already have the CDs marketing materials, etc. <phano04> thanks <ogra_> manornk, http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ <NikTh> xnox: veriffied, not approved :-P * Ursinha is waiting for the vegetables presentation <ubuntulovingplan> what is this about? <ubuntulovingplan> all about google hangouts? <popey> Ursinha: Tomatoes are not vegetables! <Ursinha> popey, lol <karni> ubuntulovingplan: The meetings are held on Google Hangouts <mhall119> they're virtually vegetables <popey> Bet he puts that picture of Tomatoes up again just to taunt me! <mhall119> and this is virtual UDS <MooDoo> ubuntulovingplan: http://uds.ubuntu.com/ <ubuntulovingplan> ah thanks <manornk> I don't see button for hangout <popey> you will when the sessions start <med_> The plenary is closed <popey> but not for this plenary one <med_> (not open to joining) <bipul> when it will start? <Ursinha> bipul, intro keynote is on <nik90> bipul: check the schedule at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/2013-11-19/ <nik90> bipul: the next session starts at 15:05 UTC <sabdfl> jono is mapping out the week, and the tools and the process, now <Ursinha> bipul, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4kHQeu4SJk <bipul> Thank you. <sabdfl> i'll be on shortly <sabdfl> we'll have some Q&A, pls address questions to dholbach <dholbach> hello hello :) <mhall119> dholbach: standard "QUESTION: " prefix applies? * ogra_ waves to \sh <fagan> What a glorious beard <popey> +1 <\sh> Hey Ogra :) <dholbach> mhall119, sure, or highlight me - both works for me :) <carakas> Wow that beard, didn't see that one comming <NuSuey> epic beard <dobey-uds> the painting behind, is very fitting with the beard <NikTh> woW.. What's with the beard ? <prasadhg> :D <AOLCraig> Movember <JackYu> :) <karni> I'm sure Mark appreciates the focus, guys.. <med_> sabdfl has been in open source long enough that he's officially a gray beard now. <carakas> ow forgot about that :p <dholbach> any questions for Mark? ping me and I'll relay the question <zyga> video is off? <dholbach> zyga, not for me <Ursinha> zyga, only for a short moment but is back <sergiusens> Ursinha, your latency is better it seems :-) <mardy> dholbach: If I join the Hangout on Air and make some silly face, do I get fired? ;-) <Ursinha> sergiusens, what a miracle :P <zyga> yeah, it's back now <MaoKue> yeah <dholbach> mardy, I wouldn't try ;-) <mhall119> mardy: you're fired already just for thinking it <manornk> dholbach: Can you give me link, to connect to hangout <mardy> mhall119: lol (I hope) <med_> mardy, some of us just have naturally funny faces, we can't help it. <dholbach> manornk, no, this is a "talk" <dholbach> manornk, please just let me know your question and I'll pass it on <sergiusens> manornk, or do you want the stream? -> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22027/intro-by-jono-bacon-keynote-by-mark-shuttleworth/ <fagan> I really want a phone to play with :-/ <manornk> Thanks, I'm good :D <dpm> \o/ <karni> fagan: Buy one, just like the mac ;) <fagan> karni: hahah yeah but my nexus is just 1 version too low <JoshStrobl> Hello all! <fagan> It seem like such a waste <raja> when is the Ubuntu phone release? <mhall119> raja: it was 13.10 <JoshStrobl> @raja: There already was one. <nik90> ooh core apps on the unity 7 :D <JoshStrobl> @raja Ubuntu Touch 1.0 was released with Ubuntu 13.10. <popey> nik90: â» <raja> official phone <carakas> Are there plans for dualboot with android and still be able to update Ubuntu touch, because that doesn't work with MultiRom Tassadar <raja> i was asking <ogra_> raja, next will be in april ... but the quality is so good that you can also use the rolling devel release <mhall119> raja: if you're asking about actual hardware, there isn't any yet <Vipindev> Google+ Hangout why blocking? <dholbach> Vipindev, this is a talk <mhall119> Vipindev: this isn't a group session, it's a keynote <ogra_> Vipindev, it is a talk, not a hangout <dholbach> Vipindev, I'll pass on questions, which are asked here on IRC <fagan> Vipindev: well this is just a keynote <raja> i am waiting for Ubuntu edge <ogra_> Vipindev, ask your questions to dholbach and he will forward <cragdor> Has UbuntuTV been canned and will the phone follow. I have tried to checkout the code to work on a MultiSeat scenario to find that it only works with 12.04, and there is no build for newer desktops <fagan> raja: the edge failed the indiegogo <JoshStrobl> @raja There won't be one...at least not for a long while. <dobey-uds> dholbach: why does everyone want to get into the hangout with mark? <mhall119> raja: unfortunately that wasn't funded, so it isn't being built <sergiusens> raja, don't hold your breath <Vipindev> Ok. Got it. <raja> then how will i get one <mhall119> raja: you'll have to wait for a traditional OEM to build one <ogra_> raja, get a nexus 4 or 5 ... <fagan> raja: well there will be other hardware partners making phones <ogra_> raja, or wait <raja> i want official phone hardware for me and my family <JoshStrobl> @cragdor I imagine Ubuntu TV will be worked on after 15.x. First Unity 8 on phones (already exists), then tablets, then desktops, then TVs. <JoshStrobl> Seems like a logical step. <dholbach> dobey-uds, good one :) <JoshStrobl> @raja Well then you're S.O.L. for now. <raja> what? <JoshStrobl> sh** outta luck <mhall119> raja: he means you'll have to wait <dobey-uds> raja: the best supported device right now is the nexus 4 <cragdor> @JoshStrobl : Just seems a shame since there has been considerable work on it for it to be shelved and left in the dark <dobey-uds> raja: so buy them and flash them with ubuntu if you want something now <raja> i can wait for even 1 year for ubuntu hardware <jdrab> yes <JoshStrobl> @cragdor Agreed. But Canonical needs focus. I don't think the t.v. would've been a good first step, particularly for Unity 8. Scaling down from up, rather than the other way around, doesn't work well. <dholbach> any more questions for Mark? <SuperMatt> yes! Is Mark taking part in Movember/No shave November right now? <SuperMatt> ;) <raja> is ubuntu touch 64 bit? <Personater2> i hope they will add support for Galaxy S Series... i really want ubuntu touch :/ <cjwatson> raja: Not as yet <mhall119> raja: not yet <cragdor> @JoshStrobl : Well the good thing is theres always XMBC with ubuntu. Is there plan to improve MultiSeat scenarios with Ubuntu and Unity <JoshStrobl> To Mark: Can we get some sort of commitment from Canonical that they'll push more code upstream, particularly to communities like Debian. <JoshStrobl> @cragdor I have no idea. <jono> any questions, folks? <mhall119> JoshStrobl: name-drop dholbach in your questions, he's collecting them for mark <cjwatson> The work to make it 64-bit is probably fairly minimal (most packages are built, it'd just be a matter of removing a few hardcoded assumptions), though <jono> enter them with QUESTION <JoshStrobl> QUESTION: Can we get some sort of commitment from Canonical that they'll push more code upstream, particularly to communities like Debian. <dholbach> SuperMatt, JoshStrobl: noted <rbasak> JoshStrobl: we already do. Are you aware of http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu_usertag.cgi for example? Can you quantify exactly what improvement you want? <SuperMatt> thanks :D <JoshStrobl> @dholbach Thanks =) <cragdor> Sorry @JoshStrobl i thought you were answer questions from the Canonical side <ogra_> cjwatson, and a matter of getting HW to actually run 64bit touch on ;) <cjwatson> JoshStrobl: It's interesting you specifically mention Debian there, since in fact we push a very large amount of work to Debian ... <raja> is ubuntu touch available for nexus 5 <JoshStrobl> @cragdor Nope, not answering questions on anyones part besides my own. Don't take my word as official. <cjwatson> ogra_: Right :-) <NikTh> QUESTION: The goals for Ubuntu 14.04 desktop edition. It will start with Unity 7 and Xorg, but will eventually switch to Mir and Unity 8 in a future point release ? <ogra_> raja, it will likely be soon ... we need to port the codebase to android 4.4 first <dholbach> NikTh, noted <cjwatson> (In fact, I'd say that the amount of work we push elsewhere is often underestimated because a lot of it goes via Debian as our immediate upstream) <JoshStrobl> @NikTh: Yes, it will eventually switch to Unity 8 and Mir. I believe they are aiming for a 15.X release. <xnox> NikTh: subsequent releases will, but 14.04.x point release will most lickely stay similar to 14.04.0 release. <ogra_> LXC is also a core part of the phone OS ;) <JoshStrobl> QUESTION: There hasn't been much improvement to Ubuntu One, in fact plugins for software like Nautilus have practically been dropped. Given how crucial cloud storage and cloud integration is to mobile, as well as improving convergence (cloud storage enables access to files on a multitude of devices), do you see some focus being spent on Ubuntu One in the near future? <JoshStrobl> ^^ Sorry my question was a bit long @dholbach <dholbach> JoshStrobl, noted <raja> which manufacture will release the Ubuntu touch hardware first? <cragdor> QUESTION: Is there plans for implementing a HomeServer version of the OS, to support the growing adoption of smaller light weight appliances. <JoshStrobl> @raja: Most likely no announcements at this moment in time. <NikTh> xnox: I'm not sure. The new HWE stack is very promising. Maybe they have plans for a complete switch to Mir in a future point release.. (e.g. 14.04.2 or .3 ..etc) <dholbach> cragdor, noted <xnox> NikTh: there is a session about HEW stacks for 14.04, join there to discuss what will / will not go into HWE stacks. <NikTh> xnox: I know. I'm not sure if I can make it.. :-( <dholbach> keep your questions coming <dholbach> just ping me <xnox> NikTh: it will be recorded and you can watch it & discuss it on mailing lists after the fact. <dholbach> or use QUESTION: so I can spot it better :) <MaoKue> guys, I want to install ubuntu touch on my samsung note 10.1 <MaoKue> anyone can help ? <Ganesh> 123 <JoshStrobl> @MaoKue: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices <fagan> I really want to try out unity8 on the desktop too :) <ogra_> MaoKue, the people in #ubuntu-touch can point you to the right docs <MaoKue> @ogra thanks :) <chilicuil> MaoKue: or #ubuntu-touch <Vipindev> Another doubt : Is there any way to get Ubuntu phone in Symbian OS that has stopped by the Nokia <dholbach> HAHAHA <NikTh> xnox: I didn't know about mailing lists and this "after the fact convesation".. thanks you pointed out. <rickspencer3> ! <karni> :D <shan141> good <ogra_> oh my <fagan> Lol <Ursinha> lol <raja> does Ubuntu touch support android applications? <AOLCraig> lol <cjwatson> FYI there's likely to be a version of grub in trusty soonish that works on armhf, at least if the u-boot api is enabled; perhaps that will help with the dual-boot story <mhall119> somebody quote that and post it everywhere <tvoss_> lol <Vipindev> Symbian Phone support in Ubuntu? <tvoss_> mhall119, +1 :) <jono> :-) <med_> Teen Wolf FTW. <jono> so I moisturize, deal with it. <jono> lol <cjwatson> bah, my connection dropped just as apparently Mark said something entertaining <fagan> Vipindev: there has been ports of some apps from symbian im pretty sure <med_> cjwatson, yes you did! <raja> question: does Ubuntu touch support android applications? <med_> catch the youtube at 47 minutes in <mhall119> raja: no <dholbach> raja, noted <ogra_> cjwatson, he promised android/ubuntu dual boot <cjwatson> med_: ta, will go back later :) <med_> maybe 45min.s <JoshStrobl> QUESTION: Is Mark going for a Richard Stallman look? <jcastro> sabdfl: http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu_usertag.cgi <jcastro> they're tracked, but they don't tell the whole story <dholbach> maybe we can get some more serious questions? :) <dobey-uds> who is continually joining and dropping out of the hangout? <JackYu> dholbach, a short question, is there no physical uds anymore? <cjwatson> in particular they don't tell the story of Ubuntu developers who (co-)maintain packages in Debian and commit to Debian-hosted version control directly or upload packages directly there <dobey-uds> Vipindev: is that you? <cjwatson> which accounts for a lot <xnox> jcastro: that's only a fraction of patches. A lot of them are not tagged to appear there. <dholbach> JackYu, not right now <cprofitt> QUESTION: does Ubuntu track upstream submissions that are not accepted by the upstream? <JoshStrobl> @dholbach I wasn't actually thinking you'd include that question. <Vipindev> Why don't Ubuntu get support for those old symbian phones, recently Nokia Pure 808 , so recycling won't happent fast? <cjwatson> cprofitt: I'm not aware that we do <phiphi> QUESTION: Will the touch (Ubuntu SDK) apps become available on the desktop in 14.04? <xnox> Vipindev: that would be near to imposible. <jcastro> xnox, yes, it's not accurate, I was just pointing out that we did try to measure that at some point. <ogra_> Vipindev, because these phones dont even remotely match the minimal HW spec <dholbach> phiphi, there's going to be a session about it this UDS <ogra_> Vipindev, it is also a lot of work to port to a new phone <jcastro> but I gave a talk at the debconf in NYC on why that wasn't working out, and the best thing for us to do is to just make working with Debian part of our ingrained culture. <cjwatson> jcastro: it's not a terrible measurement, I've found it useful in various contexts - we just need to advertise (as you did) that it's not complete <nik90> phiphi: this was addressed by mark at the begining <fagan> dholbach: social features are pretty important to the phone experience is there anything specific going on there that we can look forward to? <nik90> phiphi: but short answer 'yes' <cjwatson> I'd say short answer "to some extent" <dholbach> fagan, noted <cjwatson> there are difficulties around confinement <jcastro> cjwatson, it's a good response to "you don't do anything at all", but it's hard to explain a complex relationship in a tweet-like snippet <cjwatson> jcastro: Yeah <jono> Chirs, hey! :-) <SuperMatt> hmmm... homeserver does sound like a good idea <MainARTA> QUESTION: Is it going to be possibility to use Android app in Ubuntu One? <JoshStrobl> in ubuntu One? <JoshStrobl> wwat? <zyga> MainARTA: in ubuntu? <dholbach> MainARTA, that question was already asked - I'll give it to Mark in a sec <zyga> MainARTA: ubuntu one is already on android today <JoshStrobl> Do you mean on Ubuntu Touch? <nik90> or ubuntu touch <pritz> QUESTION: 1) Any new Core Apps planned for this cycle other than what was developed for 13.10 cycle? Such as native Facebook, Twitter apps? 2)Any updates about Ubuntu mobile OEM? <MainARTA> sorry, ubuntu touch <raja> question: does Ubuntu touch support penetration testing? <sajjad> legally, will you abide by sanctions against Iran? <dholbach> pritz, noted <JoshStrobl> @sajjad They are required to abide by sanctions, regulations, laws. So yes, most likely. <mhall119> pritz: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22069/appdev-1311-reminders-app-planning/ <KaleoF> there is a session about that: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22038/responsive-design/ <cprofitt> thanks sabdfl <karni> thank you <Azendale> sajjad: How would that apply to ubuntu? What would abiding by sanctions against Iran look like? <sabdfl> my pleasure cprofitt! <JoshStrobl> thanks Mark and Jono! <ogra_> thanks sabdfl and jono ! <shengyao> sabdfl: thanks <sabdfl> you're all welcome. have a great uds! <karni> :) <chilicuil> my lag must be incredible long, I still can hear Mark answering questions xD <nik90> thnx for sabdfl and jono for the plenary..lokking forward to the app dev session <JoshStrobl> @chilicuil Yep, it's already done bud :D <nik90> sesions* <dobey-uds> Azendale: the laws are obviously different in different countries <dobey-uds> Azendale: if you want to know exactly, you'd need to ask lawyers <Vipindev> Ended... <chilicuil> ok, now it's done, thanks for the plenary! * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-plenary to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/plenary/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/19/%23ubuntu-uds-plenary.html <justynt> working great <alannm37> ubuntu is too complicated (commands) and very incompatible (games), people don't want that and want ease of access. Main reasons why I wouldn't use ubuntu. Also dedicated graphics <justynt> lets talk about the elephant in the room, mir ;) <Sharib> hey <justynt> we need an environment, as well as a platform <keshav> hi * keshav slaps keshav around a bit with a large trout * keshav slaps mickeypash around a bit with a large trout * keshav slaps zhangchao_UK around a bit with a large trout * eeref slaps ZacharyIgielman around a bit with a large trout <jono> OveRisberg, you there? <pureCenor> yep you are on <pureCenor> yep you are on <fortinux> hi <Guest58762> whatever <Coolville> I can see #ubuntu-uds-plenary 2013-11-20 * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-plenary to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/plenary/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/20/%23ubuntu-uds-plenary.html * t3rnary slaps t3rnary around a bit with a large trout <bjh33> hi <Muwanguzi7> Hi * Peethu slaps Peethu around a bit with a large trout <cprofitt> Peethu: was it raw or cooked? <Peethu> just checkin in <Peethu> hate 13.10v.. installing 12.1 again <Peethu> cprofit: u thr <cprofitt> I am <cprofitt> Peethu: I am rather fond of 13.10 <cprofitt> though I will be migrating my testing box to 14.04 soon <Peethu> i starter in case of ubuntu dev <Peethu> cprofit: <Peethu> did you tried in phone <Peethu> cprofit: <Peethu> seems like u r busy.. back later <balloons> howdy everyone <balloons> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpi5ial81gk1qbofl262k96o?authuser=0&hl=en for anyone who wants to join the hangout <pleia2> balloons: I think you meant that for #ubuntu-uds-community-2 <balloons> haha, ty pleia2 <lool> mhall119: Heya, we'd need a followup session for the "System framework for apps" discussion (that just happened in Core 1), what's the best way to do this? <mhall119> lool: go to summit.ubuntu.com, propose a meeting using the link on the right <mhall119> if you have room in the Core rooms, put it in the Core track and ask one of those leads to schedule it <mhall119> otherwise put it on the hallway track and ask msm to schedule it <lool> mhall119: filed http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22125/followup-session-for-system-framework-for-apps/ in the appdev track (where it originally was, but it was scheduled in core 1 due to lack of slots I guess); it doesn't really matter if this ends up in the hallway track though <lool> mhall119: (would you mind scheduling it?) <mhall119> lool: do you have a time you'd prefer? <mhall119> lool: or day? <lool> mhall119: no <lool> well, I'd like the lowest number of conflicts :-) <mhall119> lool: 16:00 UTC tomorrow then <lool> thanks <mhall119> np <lool> ah crap, it's the time of the push notifications followup <lool> well I guess I'll divide my time <lool> (actually I was confused, it's all good) <lool> the apparmor parser also takes time <lool> content hub? or HUD? <lool> QUESTION: do we need separate chroots for native builds and cross-builds due to multiarch deps still? <lool> I mean if I'm on trusty/amd64 and I want to a) cross-build to saucy/armhf and b) build for saucy/amd64, can I use a single chroot? <lool> ups ECHAN <Pieter-Wageninge> Hi #ubuntu-uds-plenary 2013-11-21 * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-plenary to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/plenary/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/21/%23ubuntu-uds-plenary.html <vlotho> Salut <FK_nero> hi * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-plenary to: Track: | Rick Spencer | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22124/rick-spencer-vp-of-ubuntu-engineering-qa-questions-welcome/ <rickspencer3> o/ <cata> hi <cata> i speak romanian <rickspencer3> o/ <bjf> o/ <popey> jono: yes, you're live <dholbach> live! <bjf> as live as any other time <FK_nero> he scare the crap uot of me <ahayzen> jono, i can see u :) <RichieSVK> yep <vlotho> je pensais que c'Ã©tait un canal franÃ§ais <lenz> Looking good <Laney> thopey <qengho> Good. What's the round-trip time, irc-video-ears? <lenz> vlotho non <dilhar> hi <Moony22> hello <lenz> anybody other than me not a developer but just interested? <niknejm> me <Moony22> me <Moony22> well <Moony22> I'm kinda developer but just interested also <mhall119> lenz: lots of non-devs <balloons> howdy! <qengho> Let's not have polls and greetings, all. <Moony22> Sur <Moony22> Sure* <Moony22> oh god hopefully no spams <mhall119> like this: "QUESTION: what is your opinion on jono's musical taste?" <karni> hahah <Ursinha> lol * dholbach hugs mhall119 <RichieSVK> :D <dilhar> :D <lool> oh no break <dholbach> mhall119, I think it's some kind of "religious metal" <mhall119> dholbach: it's not lullaby metal <jcastro> I am also dead! <mhall119> s/not/now/ <mhall119> who is this jcastro ? <jono> get your questions in! <mhall119> QUESTION: what is your daily driver phone? <tedg> I've heard that jcastro is dead, can someone reboot him? <balloons> do you hear weird voices from jcastro mhall119 ? <dholbach> QUESTION: Rick: Do you have any travel-and-learn-the-local-language trips planned next? <balloons> I'm pretty sure someone turned him off <FK_nero> QUESTION other phone then nexus will the be a installer like cryonmod did <mhall119> balloons: yes, sometimes when I'm alone in a quiet room I hear "You should charm that" or "Post it on discourse!" <fugue88> tedg: Don't reboot. Instances are ephemeral. Just spin up a new one. :P <Laney> QUESTION: Tell us about the plans for the traditional desktop through to the next LTS (if you're clever you'll notice that that's not a question) <vthompson> QUESTION: For both Jono and Rick, what do you find the most exciting about this UDS? <mikeWasouski> QUESTION: why the graphical is so heavy? are U planning some day to get back to some light desktop? <Moony22> QUESTION: How much do you communicate with the volunteer developers (That don't work for canonical)? <aquarius> QUESTION: what will the minimum price be for a paid-for Ubuntu app? <dilhar> i need to get my ubuntu laptop cool <qengho> QUESTION: What problems might we expect in trying to support an OS until 2019 right when we're thinking about enormous convergence changes and churn in what's happening right after the LTS is out the door? <aquarius> QUESTION: are there any guidelines for ad-supported Ubuntu apps? Specific ad providers, etc; do I need to coordinate that with Canonical? <beuno> jono, video is live <Moony22> QUESTION: What is your goal for ubuntu touch, do you think it is realistic to be as high status as android/windows phone/iOS? <mhall119> aquarius: I'm intersted in that too, do you have any ad frameworks you think we should support? <lool> Hmm I dont get video <mhall119> lool: try refreshing <lool> is this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTUL4Oq6uCw ? <lool> I tried <lool> getting Please stand by after refresh <PaulW2U> QUESTION: As a Kubuntu/Xubuntu user can you confirm that the flavours are and always will be part of the Ubuntu community? I'm often hearing that some of the flavours might break way and align themselves with other distros. <Moony22> lool: <Moony22> lool: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22124/rick-spencer-vp-of-ubuntu-engineering-qa-questions-welcome/ <Moony22> it works there <t1mp> lool: for me it works. already for 7m. <Othechtur> Question: I understand that the focus for Ubuntu Touch is tablets next year, so when can we expect an ubuntu phone either in the stores, or perhaps more importantly, fully functional and deliverable for users that are able to install it themselves? <CPellens> QUESTION: Is higher performance and less resource-heavy expected for Unity? <t1mp> lool: you could try the youtube link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTUL4Oq6uCw <Moony22> Othechtur: put "question" in caps <lool> bah neither work for me for some reason <lool> t1mp: ack, that's the same as I just pasted <Othechtur> QUESTION: I understand that the focus for Ubuntu Touch is tablets next year, so when can we expect an ubuntu phone either in the stores, or perhaps more importantly, fully functional and deliverable for users that are able to install it themselves? <Othechtur> thx Moony22 <Moony22> nop <Moony22> np* <jbass> yay for dc! <aquarius> mhall119, well... at the moment you are not allowed to use Google AdSense in mobile HTML apps. you have to use the AdMob SDK for mobile apps... and it doesn't exist for Ubuntu. Madvertise allows us to embed HTML5 apps into anything we want, but they're very small. (I have a little QML component that wraps it here, if you're interested.) I think that getting AdMob to support Ubuntu will require business <aquarius> discussions between Canonical and Google...? <michelR> QUESTION: is the current focus on Golang means that it's the official langage to replace python ? * mhall119 still jealous of dholbach's travel <lool> ah works in chromium now (instead of chrome) * dholbach hugs mhall119 <FK_nero> lool <mhall119> lool: open-source wins again :) <Laney> FREEDOM <AlanBell> QUESTION in 14.04 will we be able to select unity8/Mir from lightdm if we install some extra packages for that? <Moony22> QUESTION: How are you going to go about making ubuntu more well known? <udit> QUESTION: With the direction of Gnome is going for example: Client side decoration, The way nautilus is going, empathy removing features etc. How is Ubuntu planning to deal with it? I mean stay forever with old version of gnome or perhaps develop core-apps in house? <lenz> QUESTION: Why is Ubuntu moving to QT? <mhall119> because Qt is awesome <mhall119> doubly so on mobile <aquarius> mhall119, we should chat about the ads thing though. I was going to made Riddling have ads, in order to test the concept out, but it didn't fit the design <akshay> we love ubuntu this is the message I want to share on behalf of entire Indian ubuntu users <michelR> QUESTION: what are plans for an Office suite on UbuntuTouch ? maybe an UbuntuOffice based on Calligra ? ;-) <mdee> QUESTION: I seen the vds session about the about having a server for the updates and feeds. I am still confused about this "central server". Are you going to be passing all info like tweets and fbook posts ect . Or is it just going to be for updates? <ogra_> akshay, and we love to have users like you ! <akshay> :) <blueadept> QUESTION: What are the plans for Ubuntu One Contact Sync, it failed with 12.04 with no warning, and I've been told repeatedly that it will be coming back.... I think it's really important for Phone. <ogra_> unity 8 will be much much lighter <deltagurke> QUESTION: are there plans to develop a phone like ubuntu edge although the kickstarter campaign failed? <akshay> Question:when we can expect Ubuntu edge in indian market. <mikeWasouski> I really want to see unity 8 working =) <ogra_> mikeWasouski, get a nexus 4 :) <mikeWasouski> I think I'll do <ogra_> (or wait a bit and get a nexus5) <Chipaca> aquarius: ONE MEELION DOLLARS <vila> rickspencer3: 0 dollars <ali1234> 0.00000001 btc? <fagan> Chipaca: Inflation is a horrid thing <AlanBell> QUESTION: will click packages support bitcoin payments? <beuno> AlanBell, there are no plans to do so, no <aquarius> Chipaca, I am hoping that it's not Â£3 :( <shirish73> since I am a newbie ubuntu user, I saw most apps first are designed for windows. So , when it will be that the app will be released for ubuntu platforms as it releases for windows at same time. <fagan> aquarius: Isn't there things that are cheaper than 3 in the software center currently though? <popey> fagan: no <aquarius> fagan, I don't think so? <akshay> Question:when we will be able to purchase software from Ubuntu software centre in indian currency are you planning ? * fagan checks out of interest <michelR> QUESTION: as Qt is already Xplatform, can we imagine Ubuntu touch apps on windows, mac os, android ? <beuno> akshay, no plans to add indian currency at the moment either, no <akshay> :( <beuno> akshay, why does the currency matter when paying with a credit card? <AlanBell> beuno: that would be a relatively easy and cheap unique selling point for the store IMHO <akshay> we indian usually dont use credit card <aquarius> heh. Happy to sell software rather than ads, as long as minimum price isn't Â£3, hence the previous question ;) <popey> beuno: because it displays $3 and not local currency <pstolowski_> QUESTION: looking at last ~2 years since previous LTS, is there anything you would do differently wrt Ubuntu? <lenzeor> QUESTION: Talked to Adobe about Photoshop yet? <beuno> AlanBell, well, not cheap to implement, as it's an interesting amount of engineering, but most importantly, it'll be confined to developers who accept bitcoins, which is a pretty small market at the moment <karni> lenzeor: Good question :) <blueadept> QUESTION: Will Unity 8 look radically different on the desktop or very much like Unity 7... <beuno> akshay, so how would you pay for the apps? <akshay> one platform for all device I like this vision <aquarius> beuno, next time you go to buy anything it'll say "Price: 100 Indian rupees" and you won't know how much that is. That's akshay's current experience ;) <beuno> right, we can show aproximate costs in local currencies, probably <Dubstep> Question: Will you be able to install ubuntu TV on computers <AlanBell> beuno: yeah, a bit of engineering time, but you don't have to pay a payment processor for transactions or to join in <beuno> but that doesn't seem to be what akshay is getting at <fagan> lenzeor: Adobe creative cloud is from the browser, did you check that out? <rdimitri23> Hello, I wonder if some time now and are going to start selling mobile devices with Ubuntu Phone? Thanks.... Ubuntu the best OS :) <akshay> :) <fagan> QUESTION: Are there any apps from the phone that might make it this cycle into Ubuntu desktop? (other than the social app thing) <jcastro> yes! that's what I want, click apps on the desktop! <popey> QUESTION: Would Ubuntu Touch support 3rd party stores (in the same way Android has multiple stores [Amazon, F-Droid etc]) or do you see Ubuntu Touch being like iOS where there's only one allowed store? <ogra_> QUESTION: is it intentional that you wear a T-Shirt that makes me want to click the youtube window to check for mail all the time ? <fagan> jcastro: same here I can't wait for some of them like the reddit app :) <popey> jcastro: click packages won't be installable on 14.04 on desktop <cjwatson> click apps on the desktop> we had a session on that this morning which I'd encourage you to review <popey> AIUI <beuno> popey, only one central store, but allowing third-parties to have their custom sections in it <jcastro> popey, :( <popey> ah excellent cjw is here â» <ali1234> QUESTION: is there a solid plan for how to support upgrading from 12.10 to 14.04? (wrt 13.04 support ending before 12.10 support - all discussions i read about with this are several months old. did anything new happen about this during UDS?) <cjwatson> we may make it possible if you're using a mir-based session or something similar - as I say, review this morning's session <aquarius> jcastro, problem is that click packages come with security assumptions, and those security assumptions can't be enforced if you're in X :( They're looking at enabling it with Mir stuff though <sk92> Question: Is it possible to have Ubuntu flavor for the Arduino or Raspberry Pi embedded boards for experimental device construction? <mhall119> popey: technically anybody can add a scope to the Applications lens that gives suggestions for apps in a separate store <jcastro> Here is the session for that, thanks cjwatson: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22035/core-1311-clicks-in-unity7/ <aquarius> oh! ignore me, listen to cjwatson, he Knows :) <cjwatson> also the emulator will be available, and even if we don't offer them to users in general we should be able to help developers to test their own stuff more easily <cjwatson> aquarius: well, we're agreeing violently <AlanBell> sk92: I am doing a project at the moment to compile for the pi http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-raspberry-pi-build-cluster-for-ubuntu/x/5206923 <Othechtur> do you guys in chat know how useable ubuntu touch for phones is today? wrt buggyness and such. <aquarius> cjwatson, go team <Dubstep> Question: Will you be able to install ubuntu TV on computers <mhall119> Othechtur: I've been using it as my only phone on a nexus 4 since late July <aquarius> mhall119, technically anyone can add a scope, but you can't install it; can't install as a deb or you lose system updates, can't install as a click package 'cos they can't do scopes yet :( <mhall119> Othechtur: it's completely usable, the only thing I suffer from is lack of a few apps <asdfadsa> Question: Is there any work to "recompile/port" "normal applications" (Normal just meaning applications that are available on the desktop today) to touch/phone platform, rather than only creating "new apps" using the SDK? <mhall119> aquarius: true, but IIRC jdstrand and team are looking into ways to support delivering scopes via click package <aquarius> mhall119, they are, and hooray <rdimitri23> Hello, what about Ubuntu TV? <Dubstep> Question: Will you be able to install ubuntu TV on computers <fagan> There is a mailing list too for Go QML stuff too <aquarius> mhall119, although I'd love love love to see the generic json scope along with that, as I have ranted at dpm in great detail about previously ;) <Othechtur> mhall119: oh my, because i am thinking about buying a new phone but i wasnt sure how ready ubuntu touch is, but perhaps i should buy the nexus 4 then? :D <rdimitri23> Hello, what about Ubuntu TV? <popey> Dubstep: rdimitri23 you don't need to keep repeating questions <mhall119> aquarius: we're still waiting for you to deliver the generic json scope for us to include ;) <dpm> aquarius, indeed, but remember you need to extend the ranting to mhr3 and thostr_ :) <Ursinha> rdimitri23, you might want to prefix your questions with "QUESTION", and ask only once, please :) <mhall119> Othechtur: Nexus 4 is the best supported hardware, so it's the one I would recommend <fagan> rdimitri23: Mark answered that in his keynote, its on the backburner but will be eventually there in the future <aquarius> mhall119, I started roughing it out. Problem is that I can't write C :) <aquarius> mhall119, and it needs a little bit of help from the scope runner, sadly :( <Neo31> mhall119, Nexus 4 is out now, are there plan to support the new Nexus 5 ? <Azendale> QUESTION: What difficulties were/are there with using python on the touch platform? <mhall119> Neo31: not yet, but I think they are investigating how much would would be involved to support it's hardware <Nino> are you going te change the ubuntu? in a different theme? <aquarius> Nino, you need to write QUESTION: in front of your question so that Rick will see it <fagan> Definitely the websites are so much better than when I started using Ubuntu <Nino> ah ok thanks aquarius <Nino> QUESTION: are you going te change the ubuntu? in a different theme? <jcastro> fagan, https://web.archive.org/web/20041106014450/http://www.ubuntu.com/ :) <fagan> jcastro: yep that was the one I remember :) <mhall119> plone powered, lol <zul> QUESTION: what do you think of the server? <mhall119> zul: you might want to be more specific in your question <sk92> What is the advantage of Ubuntu phone OS over Android, like, they both have evolved from the same OS family of Linux., How can you promote it as better than Android? For ex: Ubuntu can do this and android cannot. <Neo31> QUESTION: is it possible to dock the Nexus 4 to a screen through HDMI and still be able to dock other USB devices? if so what hardware could be used? <fagan> sk92: If you want rick to answer it you have to put QUESTION at the start of the question <sk92> QUESTION:What is the advantage of Ubuntu phone OS over Android, like, they both have evolved from the same OS family of Linux., How can you promote it as better than Android? For ex: Ubuntu can do this and android cannot. <Nino> QUESTION: QUESTION: are you going te change the ubuntu? in a different theme? <Neo31> is there a hangout for this session ? <fagan> Neo31: nope its just a Q&A im pretty sure you just ask the questions here and they will be answered <asdfadsa> Neo31: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22124/rick-spencer-vp-of-ubuntu-engineering-qa-questions-welcome/ <Ursinha> sk92, because it's Ubuntu :) having the same feeling that you have in your desktop is awesome :) (that's only my opinion :)) <mhall119> sk92: Ubuntu can be usable on a desktop/laptop <blueadept> QUESTION: Why is there no export function for the Ubuntu One Contacts on the web site. <fagan> Ursinha: how are you finding your first week on it? <mhall119> also, all of Ubuntu is open source <Neo31> thanks asdfadsa u got the link fagan <RandomWatchUDS> QUESTION: What will the Ubuntu server team do about systemd, enterprise server vendors will be moving to this, will you make it available as an option so Ubuntu can be adaptable to both? <Ursinha> fagan, I hated it the first hour because I was trying to use it as android, when I started using as Ubuntu I fell in love <beuno> blueadept, you can grab the U1DB with your contacts <Ursinha> fagan, I really like it <fagan> Ursinha: I still have to get a phone that can run it. Im on the galaxy nexus S and its awkward :-/ <Ursinha> oh <Ursinha> fagan, I have a nexus 4, so it's well supported <fagan> Ursinha: I should check if there is some way. Last time I checked it wasn't <Nino> QUESTION: are you going te change the ubuntu? in a different theme? <Ursinha> Nino, no need to repeat the question, jono is reading them sequentially <mhall119> Nino: you only need to ask once, there's a queue of questions they're getting through as fast as they can <mhall119> not all questions will be answered though, as we're nearly out of time and still have a lot of questions outstanding <Nino> ok i'm sorry <Neo31> QUESTION: Now that Nexus 4 is out are there plans to support the new Nexus 5 soon? <akshay> bye all <mhall119> there was a session earlier today about "desktop-ify-ing" the touch apps, if anybody is interested in that you should go back and watch the video <Ursinha> ogra_, lol <bladernr> Outside the phone, what is your recommended platform for testing Ubuntu Touch (For those who can't or don't want to buy a second phone but still want to try out Ubuntu Touch) <mhall119> bladernr: you can runs apps and Unity8 (in a window) on the desktop <sergiusens> bladernr, the emulator would be used for that <mhall119> bladernr: there is also a new emulator <tvoss> jono, lol <bladernr> mhall119:sure, but an emulator on my non-touch desktop isnt' the same as running natively on a tocuh enabled tablet of other device <ogra_> jono, LOL <Laney> Upgrades from Quantal to Trusty will be supported <Rasmus> QUESTION: Are there plans to support Dart on Ubuntu Touch? <mhall119> bladernr: true, but that's the best that can be offered short of an actual device <drej> ananÄ±zÄ± sikim <eqx311> :) <fagan> Wow foveal is a word ive never heard before <mhall119> yay AlanBell! post the link <AlanBell> linky http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-raspberry-pi-build-cluster-for-ubuntu/x/5206923 <dkessel> QUESTION: will the 2013 nexus 7 really not be supported? if so, why? <ogra_> ++ <bladernr> mhall119: I was hinting and the lack of interest in keeping things running smoothly on the Nexus 7. I'd really love an actual device I can use Ubuntu touch on in my dialy life without a second (or third) cell phone ;-) <AlanBell> contributions and tweets/facebooks/whatevers appreciated :) <mhall119> dkessel: because the original Nexus 7 is supported <bladernr> AlanBell:THANK YOU!!!!!! <akshay> message:All the best For your team for Ubuntu edge <dholbach> http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/KF/2012/03/21/28/dubstep_life.gif <dkessel> mhall119, ... which I guess I cannot buy a new one today? <mhall119> bladernr: I believe the Nexus 7 and 10 will get better support this cycle <mhall119> dkessel: they're not making new ones, no <mhall119> dkessel: but there still seems to be a lot available to purchase <rsalveti> dkessel: we want to support it, but we don't have the hardware, to support officially we'd need to buy a bunch for the qa lab, for example <rsalveti> but we should at least produce images for it <rsalveti> dkessel: we'll be working on rebasing our android base to 4.4 soon, which will allow us to generate images for both 2013 nexus 7 and nexus 5 <mhall119> assuming it's easy to get working drivers and stuff for it <bladernr> jono enters SUPERMODERATOR mode <ogra_> the monetary investment goes rather towards the Nexus 5 currently <dkessel> rsalveti, that is the best answer to that topic i got so far... good to know! <fromturkey> can you say that for me please "altÄ±nÄ± ser incisi ker" <fromturkey> can you say that for me please "altÄ±nÄ± ser incisi ker" <jono> any final questions? <fagan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dart_(programming_language) <fagan> Its from google yes <blueadept> QUESTION: With the use of Android Video drivers, can we use Tablet devices as a laptop, either with a bluetooth keyboard/mouse or using an Asus Transformer.... <sergiusens> jono, the answer to dart should be, propose it in the next vUDS <fromturkey> http://www.imdb.com/poll/HvPxpcj88Nk/?ref_=po_sn <fromturkey> http://www.imdb.com/poll/HvPxpcj88Nk/?ref_=po_sn <fromturkey> can you say that for me please "altÄ±nÄ± ser incisi ker" <ogra_> blueadept, if you have a port for the specific device you can definitely do that today already <fagan> Wow dart looks very C like too <dholbach> fromturkey, please <asomething> dart compiles to javascript so presumably a developer could use it for a touch app <sk92> QUESTION: Will Ubuntu Server will also be available in touch flavors, as we observe many high-end system manufacturers are switching to touch leaving back keyboards and mice? <alecu> jono: please let them know to open a bug for the missing export in u1 contacts <Azendale> QUESTION: What areas does upstart handle better than systemd? <mhall119> sk92: touch server? that doesn't make sense <alecu> jono: missing export it's probably just something that was lost in the u1 site redesign <blueadept> ogra_ yes, but without video drivers it's not practical... if Mir allows the use of Android video drivers then it would be much more realistic. <ogra_> Azendale, i doubt rick would be able to answer that ... better send a mail to the ubuntu-devel mailing list tpo get an answer <beuno> alecu, not lost, we never had export <bladernr> QUESTION: will support for the OLDER Nexus 7 improve for those of us who cant' get or don't want a phone but still want Ubuntu Touch in a daily use device? <ogra_> blueadept, thats what ubuntu touch does ;) <beuno> there was couchdb to grab them and now there's U1DB <akshay> server with touch it sounds truck operated by a remote <ogra_> blueadept, we run a tiny android container that handles the drivers ... Mir attaches to this container in ubuntu touch <blueadept> ogra_ I hope so... but it requires manual switching of the UI from tablet to desktop mode. <fhf> QUESTION: Will Mir and Unity 8 allow better desktop sharing? and will UP be able to connect to it too? <akshay> all the best <alecu> beuno: if somebody opens a bug, we can point at a script to get them via u1db, but it's not that we want to hold the contacts hostage <fagan> Nice session thanks rickspencer3 :) <fugue88> Touch for servers---opposite of headless? :) <rickspencer3> thanks fagan <ogra_> thanks rickspencer3 ! <ahayzen> jono, rickspencer3, thanks guys <rickspencer3> thank you ogra_, clad you liked my shirt ;) * ogra_ check for mail for a last time <ogra_> *checks <alecu> great session, thanks a lot for having it <beuno> alecu, speak for yourself! <sk92> thank you * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-plenary to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/plenary/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/21/%23ubuntu-uds-plenary.html <alecu> beuno: hahahah * rickspencer3 kicks beuno <blueadept> ogra_ If the UI can be manually switched between modes on Unity 8 that would be awesome because tablet mode could be used on a big screen if needed... or desktop mode on a tablet if a keyboard / mouse is availabel. <jono> thanks! <ogra_> blueadept, i think that might be possible and planned for the future ... but first we need a unity8 desktop mode you can switch to ;) <beuno> rickspencer3, FWIW, there will not be multiple stores. Customers can get their own section in our store, but the security model is around one central store <blueadept> ogra_ good point. <ogra_> what i envision for something like the transformer (or surface) would actually be that the UI mode changes depending on if you have a kbd docked or not though <ogra_> but thats just me, i'm not in the design team ... <blueadept> ogra_ I think it needs a manual override for if you want to use your laptop as a tablet for example. <AlanBell> jono: can we get the indiegogo thing linked on the Ubuntu facebook account? <ogra_> right, but keyboard docks will be detectable <jono> AlanBell, sure <ali1234> AlanBell: i notice it was posted in some linux subreddits but not the raspi one <jono> one sec <ogra_> so if the HW is providing the info i expect we will use it <AlanBell> cool, thanks <ogra_> if it doesnt, i agree there should be a way to manually override <AlanBell> ali1234: I am not sure how much crossposting is allowed, I only put it in the Ubuntu one <blueadept> jono LOL at "Ubutnu stealing my contacts"... I've just been waiting a long time, I have a lot of contacts in there! <ali1234> AlanBell: as long as it's on topic it's just up to whether people want to upvote or not <blueadept> ogra_ I can't unplug the keyboard from my laptop to make it go to tablet mode tho! <ogra_> indeed <AlanBell> ali1234: that is a submission restricted reddit I think <AlanBell> ali1234: nvm, wrong one <ali1234> AlanBell: there's two raspi subreddits - one is restricted cos it's just splitting the community * ogra_ wanders off to the session in -uds-core-1 <jono> AlanBell, done <AlanBell> ali1234: posted it now in http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/new/ <AlanBell> thanks jono <ali1234> i'll just go and upvote it then :) <q247> question: D4R -- design for repair, refurbishment, reuse, or recycling. How much does this green ethos feature in future Ubuntu hardware? <ogra_> q247, the session is over since 30min <q247> shame. thanks. <ogra_> (though canonical does not do any HW business ... and wont) <ogra_> so it depends on whatever vendor will build ubuntu phones at some point <incici> S.a <incici> Selamun aleykum millet <incici> heey <petit_saucisson> bonsoir * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-plenary to: Track: | Track Summaries | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22026/track-summaries/ <DavidBanks> what can we as users do to enable you as developers to reach the goals you have set for 14.04 ?
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