#ubuntu-us-ca 2011-07-01 <MarkDude> aaditya, I need your Gmail to add you <grantbow> ariley: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SkypeTroubleshooting <sn9> he's not here <grantbow> I'm emailing him too, just thought others would be interested as I'm having similar problems <sn9> i'm still on 10.10 so wouldn't know <grantbow> 10.04 has a similar problem to what I talked to ariley about last night <sn9> every version does <sn9> it's just not stable <grantbow> good to know, thanks <seidos> i think bigbluebutton.com works pretty good. my webcam worked with it, which is odd since cheese doesn't work so hot. i haven't tested it with anyone though. <seidos> i have a toshiba <grantbow> interesting <grantbow> floss weekly on bigbluebutton: http://twit.tv/floss147 <MarkDude> grantbow, I added you on +1 <MarkDude> Since you are so social G :D * grantbow bows <MarkDude> Well, I have not seen the invites stop yet- I bet it has some sort of algorithm to pick which folks to limit- I have 17 people I think <seidos> i just moved all my email off google's server, back to pop <seidos> i trimmed down my inbox from 11k mails to 302 :D <Ikthel> Hello ^_^ is anyone online at the moment? Not looking for any trouble shooting help or anything just want to ask opinions. <Ikthel> The input im looking for is people's take on Gnome3 as opposed to KDE4 not looking to start a flame war but rather ask why people prefer certain Desktop Environments. <sn9> it's just personal preference <Ikthel> I myself like many others am not a big fan of Unity so I've sort of jumped ships if you will and have been trying other distro's and I'm liking bits and pieces of the different environments and seeing as my computing skills fall short of being able to forge a hybrid desktop environment <Ikthel> I'm just curious about people's main uses/reasons for their choices <Ikthel> At the moment Gnome 3 is fun for me but I've been eyeballing some of the cosmetic effects on KDE4 <Ikthel> was wondering if maybe there is a way to incorporate the effects seen in KDE4 into Gnome 3 =? <MarkDude> Anything interesting going on tonight in the Bay Area? <pleia2> no <pleia2> :D <MarkDude> Well GrantLUG of course <sn9> ? <MarkDude> There are some heavy metal shows also, but I will not attend due to lack of Jono <MarkDude> sn9, that is the other name for DVLUG :D <sn9> oh, right <pleia2> I am going on mystery vacation \o/ <MarkDude> Good luck with it pleia2 <pleia2> thanks :) * MarkDude has open plans- sumthin' just canceled my other plans this weekend- so I have some work tomorrow morning- and free the rest of the time <MarkDude> Bay Area jobs >>> http://jobs.vmware.com/search?q=sliderocket <pleia2> MarkDude: argh, 3rd time that slapping gif in my feed - it's so distracting! * pleia2 mutes again :) <MarkDude> lol <MarkDude> Sry <MarkDude> +1 - its what all the cool kids are doing * pleia2 sees cat again, all is well <MarkDude> sp / cool kids / geeks <MarkDude> Apparently that bug will be fixed <MarkDude> To make it more like RT on Twitter <jledbetter> Totally agree re animated gifs. <MarkDude> jledbetter, I am calling that their myspace grab <jledbetter> Thought it was an autostart of a video then saw the loop <jledbetter> MarkDude, haha <MarkDude> Hopefully sparkles are not next on list <MarkDude> Even FB allows animated jpgs * MarkDude does not know of Open Source way to make those <jledbetter> You tempt me... I have lots of work to do but now I want to make sparkles just to +mark ;) <jledbetter> And ponycorns! <akk> animated jpgs? <akk> I have a javascript sparkle program (used in the class for teenaged girls, to make Edward the vampire sparkle :) * akk wonders if that example is totally outre this year <jledbetter> Haha! Edward sparkle. Funny :) <grantbow> MarkDude: dvlug.org please, not GrantLUG. <grantbow> it's more than just me <grantbow> unless you want me to rename gidgetkitchen :-) <MarkDude> Of course I do <MarkDude> Or maybe GK rocks! <MarkDude> GK rocks, and Severd Fifth maybe <grantbow> MarkJunk? <MarkDude> Or Jono MFing Bacon appreciation society <MarkDude> :D <grantbow> j/k <MarkDude> pleia2, somehow it is showing 3 pics of Simcoe in a row <pleia2> yeah, picasaweb is being special <pleia2> I deleted them <pleia2> even better, it seems to have lost evil simcoe entirely in picasaweb itself! <MarkDude> Bad Picasa <seidos> Who is Mr. Popper? <sn9> seidos: "mr. popper's penguins" was one of my fave books when i was at the age at which i read it <seidos> sn9: crazy <philipballew> there's a lady next to me at starbucks who lugged in a mac desktop, monitor and keyboard. all I can ask is why... <seidos> she doesn't have a notebook? <broder> that's actually kind of impressive <philipballew> she has a power strip that all of it is running off of. <seidos> maybe it's how she gets her exercise <philipballew> seidos, nope. she had the keyboard on her lap and the monitor on a chair in front. I assume she just doesn't have Internet at her house. I rode my bike here so i got a little :) <seidos> you should ask her if she wants an ubuntu cd <sn9> is it an imac? <philipballew> i think it might be a mac mini. nevertheless shr needs a powerstrip with 4 items plugged it sn9 <sn9> the mini is a tiny square box <philipballew> then its not that <philipballew> they use to have desktops. its not one of their giant ones. and its not all in one. haha <sn9> not in many, many years <sn9> 1998 iirc <philipballew> the imac is nice because its all in one, but somewhat bad because its hard to get into the insides <sn9> it's not hard <sn9> well, depending which model <philipballew> haha. its a mac though. <philipballew> someone gave me one of the old imac crt monitor all in one's a few months back. cant find anything to do with something with 64mb of ram <sn9> they can take more ram <sn9> the oldest ones can take half a gig <sn9> newer, more #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-07-02 <philipballew> would someone recommend a way to fix a hd partition that wont mount? <philipballew> ther are several ways and figured one might be better then another <akk> I usually do fsck before panicking. <philipballew> akk how would i do that :) <akk> fsck /dev/sd0b or whatever the partition is <philipballew> ok. lets try it. thanks! <akk> though man fsck says you can also specify it by uuid or mount point <akk> What filesystem type is it? <philipballew> ntfs i think <akk> Oh, that's different <akk> you might need special fsck arguments <philipballew> its an externinal <philipballew> i see <akk> at least, fsck for vfat won't do anything unless you specify several "I really mean it, yes, really make changes to the filesystem" options <akk> It doesn't hurt to run it, but if it looks like it made changes, be sure to run it again after it's finished <philipballew> i looked at testdisk <philipballew> that seemes possible <akk> and if it asks the same questions all over again, then read man fsck for the "really write, don't just pretend" option. <philipballew> how do i find the mount point <akk> Where do you normally mount it? <akk> If it's usually automounted and shows up in random places in /media or wherever, then specifying mount point probably isn't the way to go. <philipballew> well i usually just stick it in my usb port and it does the rest... haha <philipballew> yeah, i know thats what you wernt asking <MarkDude> http://twit.tv/twig101 Google+ podcast #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-07-03 <MarkDude> Ok that Google + hangout feature rocks! <MarkDude> it has some bugs, but still is great <seidos> real-life-friendsâ¢ <seidos> i have this odd feeling that i'm in a cubicle now, but it's larger than it used to be <MarkDude> Yep <MarkDude> People I have met in person <MarkDude> Folks I hang out with <MarkDude> I mean it will be nice to interact with folks I know in other parts of the world- but I have only tried it with folks I know <seidos> chillin' without illin' <MarkDude> Yep <MarkDude> And it avoids chat roulette effect- since folks need to be in circles <MarkDude> the groups you create <MarkDude> Yay, no penises <MarkDude> :) <seidos> circles are good <seidos> well, sometimes <seidos> :o <seidos> can't make a circle with only 2 points <MarkDude> Join again <MarkDude> ooops <seidos> Alt Gr key <seidos> oops <seidos> ctrl-shift-u, release u, 153, release ctrl & shift, why you no print â¢ ? <MrsMathers> hi <MrsMathers> hey em <MrsMathers> lol <em> MrsMathers: Hi <em> what's funny? <MrsMathers> nothing em <MrsMathers> lol <em> how come you are laughing? <MrsMathers> at your name <MrsMathers> lol <MrsMathers> It's just irony <em> what's so funny about my name? <em> irony? <em> why? <MrsMathers> I'm named MrsMathers and you are named em <em> Yeah. <MrsMathers> It's pretty much a nickname of Eminem <MrsMathers> lol <em> Oh wait, I see that you mean that white raper's last name is mathers. <MrsMathers> That's why i laughed <MrsMathers> At your name <em> em was short for emma or emily before eminem was born. <sn9> *rapper <MrsMathers> Really? <MrsMathers> lol <sn9> not raper <MrsMathers> funny <MrsMathers> not a raper <MrsMathers> lol <em> Also MrsMathers does not make me think of johncrosby@example.net. It makes me think of Leave it to Beaver <MrsMathers> Nope <MrsMathers> I don't even know what Leave It To Beaver is <sn9> the actor's name was jerry mathers <MrsMathers> Eww <MrsMathers> He's probably all old <em> Is he dead? <MrsMathers> yucky <sn9> idk <em> I think his name is still Jerry Mathers <MrsMathers> I wonder if they are related <sn9> he hasn't acted in likey 20 years, though <sn9> *likely <em> You seem hebephrenic. <MrsMathers> What? <em> You seem to be hebephrenic. <MrsMathers> Do i even ask what that means? * MrsMathers doesn't ask <seidos> schizophrenic/bipolar maybe <MrsMathers> Hey <MrsMathers> I'm not <MrsMathers> What do you want to cry and slit my wrists all the time then? <seidos> unless one completely tries to shut off a hemisphere <MrsMathers> If i'm not i'm either one or the other make up your mind <MrsMathers> lol <seidos> what do you want to laugh and bandage my wrists all the time then? * MrsMathers is far from schizophrenic * seidos is close to sanity <em> Hebephrenia is basically just a schizofrenic state of mind of disordered thoughts and laughing at innapropriate times. <sn9> seidos: my condolences <seidos> em: haha <seidos> sn9: likewise <MrsMathers> I laugh when i want to <MrsMathers> It's better than crying <seidos> it's my party and i'll cry if i want to <sn9> sanity is unfortunate <em> MrsMathers: true. you seem harmless. I don't mean you any trouble. :) <seidos> i am in sanity <MrsMathers> *sings* cry if i want to... <MrsMathers> lol <MrsMathers> I heard it from a movie once <MrsMathers> that song <seidos> oh noes, i fell out of sanity! <em> no it.. I can dance if I wannoo <seidos> helllllllll........ <em> i can leave your friends behind <seidos> ... <MrsMathers> ???? <em> but if you dont dance and if you cant dance then you aint no friend of mine <MrsMathers> I dance <MrsMathers> by myself though <MrsMathers> In my room <MrsMathers> alone <seidos> so does Billy Idol <seidos> hey philipballew <seidos> ...p * MrsMathers is brain dead today so do not mind her stupidity <seidos> "just say no......to poison." <MrsMathers> lol <sn9> MrsMathers: i apologize for contributing to today's brain death earlier <em> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7movKfyTBII <em> MrsMathers: this is the song <em> ^ <seidos> what is the "danger dance" o_o <seidos> hmmm, if only dancers can be my friends, then that reduces the pool of potential friends considerably <MarkDude> :) <MarkDude> That is true seidos <MarkDude> The circle becomes limited then <seidos> perhaps limits aren't such a bad thing MarkDude <seidos> one sided friendliness friends does not make <MarkDude> Well the 1st limits of dancing would not be good if you want to play chess with a friend <seidos> i hadn't realized were we discussing the limits of dancing <MarkDude> as far as the 2nd- I have been *hanging out* in Google+ - by myself <seidos> this all kind of reminds me of something <seidos> oh right, tall ones <MarkDude> it is a group chat thing- so I cant disagree with your 2nd point XD <seidos> the physically advantaged <seidos> i hadn't realized i was making a point, i was just chatting, really <MarkDude> I know seidos - roll with it <MarkDude> :) <seidos> that sounds like gay wrestling to me <seidos> well, not really :P <seidos> just something i heard, thought it would be good to pass it along <MarkDude> lol <MarkDude> ok <MarkDude> Never heard that :) <seidos> MarkDude: give me an invite to google+ if you don't want to be alone on there <seidos> xor not, it's up to you <seidos> are you really getting into it? or is it like a passing thing like pet rocks and slinkies? <MarkDude> Not up to me <MarkDude> Invites are froze right now <MarkDude> Actually I am really into it <MarkDude> I got to speak to friends that live far away <MarkDude> I have a friend in Venezuela- there have been numerous hassles trying to set up SIP phone- Ekiga, etc <MarkDude> Being able to talk with her and a friend in midwest and Northwest at same time was pretty cool <seidos> ah, i see, so it's "special" to beta something <seidos> i remember feeling that way about ultima online <MarkDude> More so for me is the ability to talk to friends easier <seidos> it's kind of messed up "i love this thing, it's so awesome, too bad i'm on it by myself..." "well let me get on it..." "sorry, can't" o_o <seidos> lol <MarkDude> I would like to get it set up for many people. <seidos> i guess TPTB don't want critic types to be on it just yet <seidos> honestly, i'm not sure that i will ever be on it <seidos> i would get on it as a gesture of friendship, but i wouldn't try to convince others to get on it <MarkDude> Well I actually have some real friends on there- I was amazed how many people I know on there already- and how many people have added me <seidos> ah, you must be well connected in silicon valley :P <MarkDude> They have to a large number of people doing it- the Valley is not that small * MarkDude says he may be an idiot, but he knows a few people :D <MarkDude> a few <seidos> i may be an idiot, but i don't know anybody ;) <MarkDude> I think it is my 3 degrees of separation actually, and the power of Bacon <seidos> if i were smarter i would've got into medicine <seidos> oinkie oinkie <seidos> or made up 5e6 friends on facebook \o/ <seidos> actually, i think the limit is 4k <seidos> Bhikku Samahita hit it <MarkDude> You still can teach stuff to people ( you are not an idiot ) btw <seidos> eh, it's relative. everyone's an idiot in some way, so i am and i'm not, mu as u would put it <seidos> if google+ has a responsive chat client, that would probably make a difference <seidos> chat on facebook is pretty sloggy <MarkDude> I know someone that has 100 to get to the limit. She has been very caerful about adding her last few. I think the arbitrary limit will disappear soon enough anyway- Google+ is good at the minimum for one thing- to keep FB in line <MarkDude> Video chat worked well- with folks that had crappy connections even- there are still bugs, and rww could not use it due to hardware. <MarkDude> a little choppy here and there, but everyone was happy :) <MarkDude> well maybe not rww <seidos> it doesn't really make sense for individuals to have capability of more than 150 <seidos> how could a single person manage that many ppl in a meaningful way? <seidos> i heard that 150 is some kind of "magic" number, which is why i guess platoons are that many or something? <seidos> or maybe it's a unit, i dunno, i'm not privy to military segmentation jargon <seidos> i don't have much love for the military industrial complex... <seidos> but...i try :) <MarkDude> I agree <MarkDude> For me on FB and I imagine other social media- I have lists- close people and folks I have met, there are a few that I dont even know. Some folks have seen me talk - or read some of my stuff <seidos> oh, fascinating <seidos> it's a "company" <MarkDude> Those I can do little more than entertain <seidos> i should probably think in terms of these segmentations <MarkDude> or try to. My job title is sortof like dancin' monkey <seidos> corporations with more than 225 employees are...ineffectual? nah, too big to fail <seidos> dancin' donkey, or dancin' elephant <seidos> i don't think you really want to be a monkey in this politic climate <seidos> lol <MarkDude> Well repping for a company or non-profit can be like that <seidos> do penguins dance? <seidos> maybe i'll have to see mr. popper's penguins to find out * MarkDude has no opinions on politics. Part of helping non-profits dictates that <MarkDude> Minus gay folks, women, should have equal rights. People are equal. <MarkDude> ^^^ thats my opinion on politics <seidos> i like animals, that's my opinion on politics <seidos> someone get me a purple tie <seidos> i swore i'd never wear a tie again, but maybe around my arm wouldn't be so bad lol <seidos> there are enough nicks in here to constitute a platoon o_o <seidos> 31, anyway <philipballew> hey seidos <seidos> hey phil <seidos> yeah, i realize you won't get notified, but i'm not tab completing <seidos> i refuse <seidos> i like the sound of phil better * seidos shrugs <MarkDude> :) <philipballew> most people call me phil <philipballew> but phil on irc is takin <MarkDude> Hey, can I call you sei ? <seidos> Duuuuude! <sn9> seidude <seidos> lol <MarkDude> yep, you can call me either- just dont call me late for dinner <seidos> what if i call you too late to pay attention? <MarkDude> Then you would be observant ;) <seidos> i think i would be trying too hard :P <seidos> i think i just acknowledged that the best park of kung pao chicken isn't the chicken, it's the kung pao <philipballew> sounds kinda painful <seidos> the kung or the pao? <seidos> i should drink some tea <philipballew> im drinking some now <seidos> cold xor hot? <philipballew> cold. it's apple cinnamon flavored <seidos> philipballew: cold here as well <philipballew> cold is nice on a day thats 100 dagrees <MarkDude> pao is one of the most universally descriptive words out there- it tastes like it sounds :) <seidos> i wonder what nao tastes like <seidos> hmmmm, i just had an idea for movies <seidos> i think trilogies are kind of screwed up <seidos> i just read transformers dark of the moon didn't do as well as the previous one <seidos> it has something to do with this idea i had of triumvirate flow <seidos> it seems to me that a group of three shouldn't have three members of all the same specialty <seidos> hmmm, well, maybe in the beginning <seidos> anyway, thinking out loud <MarkDude> :) <seidos> hmmm what would Macbeth sound like? <seidos> he'd probably sound like William Wallace's evil twin? <seidos> or perhaps just like William Wallace o_o <seidos> night <jyo> rww: Yeah, everything worked out with Devin. <seidos> http://i.imgur.com/Yy2ja.png <seidos> har #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-07-04 <jdeslip> Hi All <jdeslip> Anyone here for the meeting?? <grantbow> o/ <sn9> what? <sn9> tonight? <jdeslip> I'll give it a few minutes to see if any stragglers come in <jdeslip> Yep tonight. <sn9> heh <grantbow> ah, summer... <rww> \o <jdeslip> I guess I botched it and forgot to send out the email reminder :/ <sn9> :D <grantbow> Happy 3rd of July everyone. :-) <jdeslip> But, I did go to the county fair... So, the day was a complete waste <jdeslip> I felt very patriotic there <sn9> yes, happy day after day after canada day :P <jdeslip> nice <rww> happy Canadian-USA border crossing day? <grantbow> is it? <sn9> idk <jdeslip> OK, lets get started on the meeting <MarkDude> IS there a meeting? <rww> If Canada day is the 1st, and Independence Day is the 4th, I figure the celebrations are somewhere in between right now :P <jdeslip> ------------------------ Meeting Begins ------------------------- <jdeslip> Thanks for coming everyone who is here even though I forgot the announcement. (pleia2 is going to kill me) <sn9> MarkDude: i think the zeroth item on the meeting agenda is whether there is a meeting <jdeslip> sn9: MarkDude: we do have one agenda item to at least bring to people's attention. So it is on. <MarkDude> Well we can start arguing about stuff- for old times sake :D * MarkDude kids <rww> jdeslip: this action would be in line with other historical triumvirates <jdeslip> But first, let's start with announcements. Anyone got any? <sn9> MarkDude: that's last <MarkDude> July 16th <grantbow> sn9: short meetings are not a crime. Anyone who's present can participate. no quorum required. <MarkDude> Geeknic in Los Gatos <sn9> grantbow: old news * MarkDude will email about it to ML and LUGS <jdeslip> sounds good <MarkDude> Lets argue about it G XD * MarkDude likes quorums - lol <jdeslip> Any other announcements? <sn9> linuxpicnic? <grantbow> Oregon events are soon. not sure who's going. <sn9> for august, that is <grantbow> sn9: yes, good point <jdeslip> sn9: Ya, August 27 <jdeslip> last year Ubuntu had a table there. We should look into doing another one. <grantbow> www.linuxpicnic.org <jdeslip> Ok, I'll add that as an agenda item for the next meeting (Linux picnic planning and registration) <grantbow> great <jdeslip> So, we can a count of how many people are going and what we want to do <jdeslip> Ok, so our only agenda item for the meeting is to review our approval application here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/ApprovalApplication2011 <MarkDude> Oh, Google+ rocks, bigtime <jdeslip> MarkDude: agreed on that count <jdeslip> Has anyone had a chance to review the application? <jdeslip> Any comments. <jdeslip> As it stands now, it looks pretty good to me. But a few things are missing. Long term goals for one. <MarkDude> besides lack of penguin pics- looks good <MarkDude> Nice and orderly- people did some great work on it <MarkDude> Nice job <grantbow> I think goals would be useful. <jdeslip> agreed <jdeslip> Any suggestions? <seidos> hello, i for one would like to figure out a way to get excited about a project again <seidos> the only thing i can think of is propaganda <grantbow> Perhaps the elected folks could talk and make a proposal or host a discussion. <seidos> creation of propaganda that is <grantbow> Perhaps a call for suggestions on the mail list would get more input too. <rww> didn't we brainstorm goals last meeting? <jdeslip> rww: Yes I think so. Perhaps it is time to just send suggestion to the mailing list and pick something. <jdeslip> I think the idea is to get the application off sometime in the next week or so <grantbow> yes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11June19 <jdeslip> I'll review the log with DarkwingDuck and pleia2, make a suggestion and send it to the list <jdeslip> Ok, so there is actually a second agenda item for the meeting that I missed. Which is a suggestion by grant that we limit the addition of new topics to the meeting to 24 hours before the start * MarkDude votes against such a thing as a rule <jdeslip> (i.e. you cannot add an agenda item less than 24 hours before the meeting) - I guess this would be more of a suggestion of courtesy rather than a hard rule. <MarkDude> A suggestion maybe <jdeslip> Is that correct Grant? <grantbow> MarkDude: there's no voting and there's no rule. It's just text on the page describing. <MarkDude> There were a few time that a timely agenda item was the most fair way to deal with sumthin' IMHO <grantbow> jdeslip, correct <MarkDude> I know G <jdeslip> As a suggestion, I don't see any problem with it. As a hard-rule I guess it could be problematic (I could see people needing exceptions on occassion and we don't want to make it harder for new members to participate) <grantbow> The reason I wrote it as I did was to make it a suggestion as I know that "life happens" <jdeslip> Anyone have any complaints about the text? <rww> I'd like something on the wiki along the lines of "Agenda items added within 24 hours of the meeting time may be postponed until the next meeting so that everyone has a chance to consider them." <sn9> seconded * MarkDude thoughts were it should ONLY be for extraordinary circumsrtances <grantbow> rww: sure <MarkDude> rww +1 <MarkDude> I mean 99% of the time it is not good to do <jdeslip> rww: that seems fine to me too. If grantbow is happy with it as well. We can go with that. <MarkDude> that 1% situation- another matter <grantbow> rww: where on the wiki? in the meeting template as I had proposed? <seidos> is there anything presently stating that agenda items *can't* be postponed? <rww> grantbow: works for me <jdeslip> I think the meeting template makes the most sense. <grantbow> partly this issue was raised again because a newcomer added something to the agenda last minute. Clarifying the expectations helps everyone. <jdeslip> seidos: No, but people might be a bit angry if their agenda item is postponed for no reason... <jdeslip> this is giving people fair warning I guess <grantbow> rww: would you like to do the honors or should I? <MarkDude> Well leadership is reasonable here- I see them giving reasons (if needed) :) <rww> grantbow: I'm out of the loop on where that stuff is stored, go ahead. <grantbow> ok <seidos> jdeslip: ah, it's a CYA kind of thing <grantbow> anything else for this item? <jdeslip> OK, grantbow - I'll leave it up to you make the change that sounds reasonably close to the wording rww used <MarkDude> Make sure it is good, or I will put it in agenda at last minute <MarkDude> to be meta <grantbow> jdeslip: I'll edit it tonight, thanks. <jdeslip> Anyone have any final announcements to make before we close this meeting? <grantbow> lol <seidos> idea here <seidos> just thinking that sunday night is bad for me, well, during the school year <seidos> is the solution to that simply reviewing logs? <jdeslip> Ya, we have been talking about moving one of the Sunday meetings to another day of the week. <jdeslip> (Like on an every-other meeting basis) <jdeslip> But, I don't think we ever decided on anything and the talk died down. <seidos> hate to say it, but the meeting reeks of work <jdeslip> lol <MarkDude> :) <seidos> which is fine, but like, bad work, ya' know? <jdeslip> If you don't enjoy your time here, nothing is keeping you. You are definitely free to review the logs. <seidos> like not dwarves whistling to work...but in a cubicle, joe vs. the volcano kind of work <MarkDude> lol <rww> I'm waiting for MarkDude to suggest we move meetings to Google+ Hangouts. <seidos> oh right, should've handed out party hats <jdeslip> And we do accept suggestions on improving things... but meetings are ... you know ... meetings * seidos hands out party hats * MarkDude is hanging out in + now- <MarkDude> actually more like lonely- with no takers to talk <rww> I know, my Stream keeps telling me. <seidos> jdeslip: understood * seidos hands jdeslip a bat cowl <jdeslip> So, if you have suggestions on changing the day of the week or somehow otherwise improving the meeting, please make them. But, most importantly, spend your time whatever you want to spend it. Have fun :) <jdeslip> Being involved in a community, working on code etc ... is a lot like work, but it is also something I find fun. Which is why I am here. <seidos> it can be fun <seidos> not trying to harsh your meeting <jdeslip> MarkDude: I tried to invite a bunch of people to G+ but the invites are closed still - once more people get on, I am sure you will be in hangout heaven <MarkDude> Well- seidos we can do a hangout on + sometime <seidos> MarkDude: right, whenever access is granted <jdeslip> OK, anyway, seidos, thanks for the feedback. <jdeslip> Anyone else got anything before we close? <MarkDude> Nope <jdeslip> ok, since MarkDude is qualified to answer for everyone, we will end there. <jdeslip> ------------------------------------- Meeting Ends ------------------------------ <grantbow> Thanks for hosting jdeslip :-) <MarkDude> jdeslip, you rock Sir :) <rww> two of my Facebook friends already moved entirely over to G+. Might do the same once it goes public. <MarkDude> Ok now somebody email Lyz and tell her I went crazy in the meeting <MarkDude> Say I was rambling about Churchill again <MarkDude> XD <jdeslip> Thanks for coming everyone <seidos> thanks for hosting jdeslip <jdeslip> Speaking of G+ - is there any way to sort the stream by date - I hate posts with lots of comments on them keep coming back to the top. That is the one thing that irritates me. <jdeslip> (I also wish that when I shared something in Google reader it went to G+ and not buzz, but I imagine they will change that soon) <rww> jdeslip: you can mute the posts for now. They're working on an alternative I think. <rww> (and they /are/ sorted by date. date of last comment ;P) <jdeslip> rww: ya, but muting every post that comes through the stream is a bit of hastle <rww> true <jdeslip> I think only posts that I have also commented on should come back to the top <jdeslip> Wonders where I should suggest this... I wish Google had used launchpad to report bugs <seidos> don't really get the thinking behind not opening it up to whoever wants to sign on <rww> jdeslip: "Feedback" button in the bottom right is what I'm using for that sort of thing <jdeslip> ah, I'll try that. Though I suspect there is no way to follow up with that and see if anyone read your comment. <jdeslip> Ah well. <jdeslip> Goodnight everyone. I'm off to movies. <rww> there isn't <BrightAmbition> movies nice <MarkDude> jdeslip, you can mute posts <seidos> hmmm, 138 members, that's a company o_o <seidos> interesting <BrightAmbition> yes very much so <BrightAmbition> :) <BrightAmbition> not really, i'm just agreeing randomly <seidos> is that even possible? <seidos> randomness exists? <BrightAmbition> I have no clue <BrightAmbition> is it? <BrightAmbition> hehe <seidos> no! <seidos> but that may be random <seidos> can't say, too much ignorance <BrightAmbition> oops i made a typo just caught that <BrightAmbition> i meant to say does it exist <rww> Randomness is an illusion caused by sufficiently-hidden order. Order is an illusion caused by sufficiently-hidden randomness. <BrightAmbition> I stay quiet to avoid saying something stupid <BrightAmbition> It works though <BrightAmbition> sometimes <seidos> everything is an illusion but it isn't <BrightAmbition> hmm <seidos> stupid stuff is so interesting though <BrightAmbition> Not for me <seidos> like...crashing <seidos> if stupid stuff wasn't so interesting, i bet reddit wouldn't be as popular as it is <seidos> <troll face> <BrightAmbition> Yes it's like the brain crashing technically <seidos> i'm terrible at the troll face <BrightAmbition> CASPLAT! <BrightAmbition> lol <seidos> it's really more in the eyes than in the grin i think <BrightAmbition> I don't know how to be a troll <BrightAmbition> Even though some people say i am which i don't get <seidos> it's probably hard to tell the difference between someone that is trolling with intent, and someone that just doesn't know what is going on <BrightAmbition> I admit most of the time i have no clue what is going on so i just wing it <BrightAmbition> Nothing like improvising <seidos> who's line is it anyway? <BrightAmbition> I have not a clue <seidos> it must be wayne brady's <BrightAmbition> Speaking of lines i have to do homework <BrightAmbition> Not fun * BrightAmbition sighs <seidos> this is a youtube improvisation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj0DbCBqF80 <seidos> what kind of homework BrightAmbition ? <BrightAmbition> Is there a ubuntu penguin game? <BrightAmbition> I want to play something like that <seidos> there is an OSwars game, but you wouldn't like it. it needs more developers (artists and coders) <seidos> by youtube improvisation i meant i searched for "wayne brady" and that was the first video <sn9> it's a theatre arts class <BrightAmbition> improvising is more fun <seidos> sn9: cool <seidos> hmmm, looking over membership process...the flow isn't zen <seidos> where's the "join button"... <seidos> reading over this last meeting log though, the controversial concept of "republican vs democracy" appears to be occuring <seidos> "don't trust the mob to vote for themselves, they first must be qualified to vote..." <seidos> which, kind of makes sense, considering what happened to Greece... <seidos> Ancient Greece* <seidos> anyway, back to real life <MarkDude> Well polarization happens by itself sometimes- like water finding its level <seidos> oops i meant republic <seidos> though, i suppose the relationship between republic and republican should be pretty transparent at this point. <MarkDude> Well Lincoln was a Republican-like one of the first <MarkDude> Jeffersonians were one of the 1st parties- and then cam the Anti Jeffersonians <seidos> Andrew Jackson was a Democrat <seidos> well, he started as Democratic-Republican, then changed to Democratic <seidos> would've been a great president if it wasn't for the Trail of Tears <MarkDude> no doubt- I knew someone that their Grandma was on that <MarkDude> Grew up in reservation in OK <seidos> should probably read up more on Eisenhower <MarkDude> Ike <MarkDude> Still the best slogan in politics- I Like Ike <MarkDude> IMHO <seidos> "hope" was pretty awesome. <seidos> dunno if it was "good" in hindsight, but it was effective. <seidos> "in" is always an interesting one... <seidos> can only guess..."in" what? * MarkDude made pic that said Change we hope we can believe in :D using that ODT file that had the iconic pic * seidos thinks that when one goes up high enough, the political parties are essentially the same <seidos> Obama and Boehner did play golf last week :) #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-07-05 <seidos> feeling under dressed * seidos puts on a bow tie <philipballew> seidos, why the style choice? <seidos> philipballew: why the logic? <philipballew> seidos, well logic would say if you put what your wearing on irc, it is not a common outfit to be worn by you. therefor logic would ask why the change <seidos> philipballew: so cyberspace isn't magical? * seidos throws bow tie in the trash can <seidos> lol <philipballew> theres no doves appearing out of hats on my screen haha seidos * seidos cries <seidos> this is what it sounds like, when doves cry <philipballew> i hear music coming from my speakers. i like the sound of doves crying seidos <seidos> pigeons croo <seidos> croo croo, not sure about crying <seidos> t.v. is on, watching cartoon network \o/ <seidos> it's a star wars clone wars marathon <akk> mourning doves cry -- ooooahhhhhh oooooohhhhh ooooohhhhhhhh <seidos> mourning doves cry: "where's my crew! where's my crew!" <seidos> this is weird: http://techcrunch.com/2011/07/04/mark-zuckerberg-is-the-most-followed-user-on-google/ <philipballew> why would he have a profile? <seidos> seems fishy to me <seidos> he is known for issuing fake adverts <philipballew> i watched the social network or whatever that movies called the other day <philipballew> they used kde to do all their stuff in the movie <seidos> won't see it <seidos> saw transformers 2 finally <grantbow> can someone please update the topic for the next meeting on July 17th? Thanks. * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-ca to: "Welcome to the Ubuntu California Local Community (LoCo) Team! | Webpage: http://ubuntu-california.org (has links to mailing list, forum, and more!) | Next Meeting: Sunday, July 3rd, 7:00pm PDT | This channel is publicly johncrosby@example.net | We have an unlogged channel at #ubuntu-us-ca-offtopic * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-ca to: "Welcome to the Ubuntu California Local Community (LoCo) Team! | Webpage: http://ubuntu-california.org (has links to mailing list, forum, and more!) | Next Meeting: Sunday, July 3rd, 7:00pm PDT | This channel is publicly johncrosby@example.net | We have an unlogged channel at #ubuntu-us-ca-offtopic" * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-ca to: "Welcome to the Ubuntu California Local Community (LoCo) Team! | Webpage: http://ubuntu-california.org (has links to mailing list, forum, and more!) | Next Meeting: Sunday, July 17th, 7:00pm PDT | This channel is publicly johncrosby@example.net | We have an unlogged channel at #ubuntu-us-ca-offtopic" * ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-ca to: Welcome to the Ubuntu California Local Community (LoCo) Team! | Webpage: http://ubuntu-california.org (has links to mailing list, forum, and more!) | Next Meeting: Sunday, July 17th, 7:00pm PDT | This channel is publicly johncrosby@example.net | We have an unlogged channel at #ubuntu-us-ca-offtopic <jdeslip> Finally... <jdeslip> :) <seidos> make sure you wrote command down :D <grantbow> I used rww's suggestion merged with mine and embelished a bit. "Agenda items added within 24 hours of the start of the meeting may be postponed until the next meeting. Adding your item well in advance helps everyone collaborate and avoids last minute surprises." <grantbow> comments and suggestions welcomed. <seidos> hmmm, what did lady macbeth even look like? <seidos> there isn't a way to collaborate on launchpad, is there? <seidos> it seems like IRC is where it's at... <seidos> it would make sense if things could start off chill, then if it gets enough momentum then put it on the meeting agenda <seidos> ideas come and go, not sure that all of them are worth putting on an agenda <seidos> would be cool if they could be hashed out informally among friends <grantbow> I agree <cactaur> I feel like this would be appropriate today in a California room. <cactaur> Especially after the now-5-year-reigning hot-dog champion. <cactaur> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgqbCq_sxmo <pleia2> rww brought it up during the meeting - yes we discussed goals last time, and they were added to the application, they just all seemed short term rather than long term, and were added accordingly <MarkDude> pleia2, did you see my snarky comments after the meeting ? I wanted rww to tell you I went nuts and started quoting Churchill :D <MarkDude> But of course did not do such a thing <nigelb> *went*? <MarkDude> nigelb, I did not <pleia2> MarkDude: I saw :) <MarkDude> Although, my reputation greatly proceeds me, argue with one billionaire that starts Open Source project, people rememebr * MarkDude was very uppity last year :D <pleia2> haha * MarkDude had some maritime signal flares we lit off last night- They go up 100 meters, and stay lit for a minute or so <MarkDude> Yay- the 4th means blow sh*t up <MarkDude> and booze and bbq <BrightAmbition> hello <BrightAmbition> geez did i run someone away? <BrightAmbition> lol <pleia2> requested http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/07/05/free-official-ubuntu-book-for-approved-loco-teams/ #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-07-06 <jyo> Anyone have any cable crimping advice? <erichammond> jyo: Yeah, buy molded cable exactly the length and colors you need. Here's the Cat.5E page of my favorite inexpensive supplier: http://www.bestlinknetware.com/store-detail.asp?categoryID=60&subcategoryID=05 <philipballew> it is way to hot here in ca. and this laptop here is not helping. maybe in other parts of ca its better * sn9 is in SF atm <grantbow> erichammond: nice, thanks for the link <philipballew> sn9, auburn hit tripple digits today. I assume sac was just as bad. sf sounds like a nice place now <sn9> i stopped in dixon and it was 102 <sn9> gnome clock-applet is currently reporting 61 for SF <sn9> 91 for sac <philipballew> nothin like 92 in auburn at 8:45 pm! <sn9> 91 is like 92 <BrightAmbition> To me it's not that hot <BrightAmbition> The weather that is <pleia2> I have to say it was nice coming back to SF after a weekend in sonoma where it was in the mid 90s <sn9> how warm does philly get? <pleia2> it's been in the 90s for a few weeks <jyo> At least we don't get crazy humidity in CA. <pleia2> jyo: yeah, the humidity is what makes the northeast awful in the summer <pleia2> rww: not sure if you saw the other day: 09:17:25 < pleia2> rww brought it up during the meeting - yes we discussed goals last time, and they were added to the application, they just all seemed short term rather than long term, and were added accordingly <rww> I didn't, thanks <pleia2> so if any were missed, please feel free to add them :) <rww> I'll admit to not actually looking at the application last meeting, I was multitasking :( <pleia2> ah, gotcha :) <pleia2> I'll drop a mail to the list with the link so others can review it <rww> further evidence that I'm still not fully Americanized: I still think "biweekly" means twice a week ): <pleia2> heh :) <rww> I think I'm going to go to https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/LinuxDiscussion today. Does anyone else go to it here? <pleia2> I go maybe once a month, but can't tonight because my todo list is seeking revenge for my unplugged weekend :) <pleia2> grantbow is usually there <pleia2> MarkDude: when is our next geeknic? this month is already getting away from me <sn9> 16th i think <MarkDude> 16th <MarkDude> with jug band after <MarkDude> We should get Jono to jam with them <MarkDude> :D <pleia2> ok cool <MarkDude> pleia2, Gio Gonzales was named to the All Star team - <pleia2> I saw! <MarkDude> His parents were there today, my Grandma is going to Phoenix with them to see the game * MarkDude is not <pleia2> yay, good for her! <MarkDude> OSCON messed up my timing * pleia2 nods <MarkDude> I know I am stoked <MarkDude> After meeting his parents, I see why he is such a class act <pleia2> :) <MarkDude> His dad was giving me ideas of pics to photoedit <pleia2> haha <MarkDude> After OSCON and CLS, I want to pull out schedule and start planning a few more games to go to * pleia2 nods <pleia2> oh, saw this on my weekend trip http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/5909576310 <pleia2> ta ca :( #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-07-07 <MarkDude> Hella ghetto <jyo> ls <jyo> bleh <rww> my headache is back in force. guess i'm not going to SF ;( <pleia2> rww: ouch, hope you feel better! <MarkDude> aaditya, ping <MarkDude> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?hl=en_US&formkey=dFkzbnZoVXVDMkJ1dmlXbjh0Q09MS1E6MQ&ndplr=1#gid=0 <rww> is there a Google page somewhere verifying that that's legitimate? <MarkDude> Vic Gundotra posted it <MarkDude> He is pretty legit <MarkDude> this is where + announcements come from <MarkDude> Engineering Director of Google+ :) <MarkDude> https://plus.google.com/107117483540235115863/posts?tab=XX <MarkDude> invites are sorta open <MarkDude> we get to invite a few <MarkDude> YokoZar, you have gmail adress for +1 invite? <YokoZar> MarkDude: I already got invited but when I went last it was sort of uninvited <YokoZar> can I actually sign up now? <MarkDude> No- but we are able to send a few invites <akk> I don't think invites mean johncrosby@example.net. <MarkDude> They need to be resent for the moment <akk> Either it lets people in, or it doesn't. <MarkDude> Look at Vics post <MarkDude> well they did not specify number <MarkDude> looks like we need to choose a few- I resent to 5 people I had invited <MarkDude> people that resend now get invite sent, all the rest will get to respond after it is fully open- he explained partially why <MarkDude> We continue to throttle invites, so please don't mass invite folks as it won't work. If you invite a handful of your most important friends and family you're much more likely to get these folks into our system. <MarkDude> Still some chance to it- like lottery :) <MarkDude> aaditya, pingy you invited person I wanted to check if this actually works <MarkDude> :) <akk> So MarkDude, now that I'm finally in, how do I find people like you to add? <akk> I guess I just have to search for people individually by name, there's no way of saying "now that I've found MarkDude, I can find the other ubunteros from his profile" ? <MarkDude> Once you get a few people added- the suggested folks become slightly relelvant <akk> oh, wait, when I search I can see your profile and get to other people's from there <MarkDude> took it a bit to figure out some of my circles <akk> but I couldn't do that for people who were already in my circles <MarkDude> Yep <akk> couldn't find any way to see their profiles <philipballew> noone invited me ... <MarkDude> I have a fair amount of famous techies- as well as Linux, and other geeks <akk> Do people get a notice when someone adds them, so they can add back (if they want to)? <philipballew> so Linus invited you MarkDude ? <MarkDude> Nope <MarkDude> Chris W did - he is not saying how he got invite last month <MarkDude> nick sexycatsinhats <MarkDude> akk, yes they do <MarkDude> I put all the people in a follow list- and see what they share <rww> hrm, maybe I should get my mom on Google+ then, if it's less closed right now <MarkDude> I have taken a few off after I see what they post <rww> I blocked and reported someone for the first time today. <MarkDude> rww- just for the video feature- to show cat videos <sn9> rww: who? <MarkDude> or in your case turtles * MarkDude 's case penguins <rww> http://www.google.com/intl/en_uk/+/policy/content.html is pretty excellent, btw <rww> sn9: an Ubuntu community member who shall remain nameless <sn9> in california? <rww> no <sn9> ok <akk> People don't know what circle I'm adding them to, right? <rww> akk: correct <rww> just that you added them to one <MarkDude> akk I just saw you added me <MarkDude> I dont know where tho * MarkDude made post about that afew days ago- after adding Mike arrington- I put him in D-Bag circle <MarkDude> then wondered about what circle people put me in- most common answer was geek, followed by Linux, Ubuntu, Fedora, and my favorite, people that wear penguin suits while giving talks :) * MarkDude suggests Gina Trapani and JEff Jarvis- since their stuff is very relvant to google + <MarkDude> philipballew, you want invite? <philipballew> yeah, id love one <philipballew> maybe <philipballew> i dont know much about it but i would like one <MarkDude> You need a gmail- <philipballew> johncrosby@example.net <MarkDude> and maybe your google profile set up- I think those of us that set up profiles last year were signing up in advance and did not know <philipballew> yeah. I had friends who set those up a few months back <philipballew> I wonder if this will do better then google buzz <MarkDude> Yes * MarkDude will bet 1 US dollar on that <MarkDude> philipballew, you are invited <MarkDude> check mail <MarkDude> I mean they got apple folks on it- hired away <rww> I'm waiting for Google Buzz to get integrated into Google+ properly, personally <philipballew> google buzz wasnt very popular <philipballew> MarkDude, haha, no email. perhaps google isn't inviting anyone else\ <MarkDude> I think they hit the number quickly <MarkDude> they wanted to double <MarkDude> and aaditya most likely lost a chance for the moment :( <MarkDude> Damn you dragon, where are you ? :D <philipballew> im pretty happy with twitter now <MarkDude> philipballew, then you will like part of this- it has a similar aspect, but better <philipballew> MarkDude, how so? <akk> It seems much more like facebook than twitter, right now <MarkDude> the circle thing <MarkDude> I have a following list <MarkDude> of people that works out to very similar to Twitter <MarkDude> for friends and stuff it is more like FB <philipballew> so its a mix i guess <MarkDude> For sure. Not only that- it will have open API <MarkDude> so it can have extensions <MarkDude> they are not doin gthat yet- since they are still trying different backends <MarkDude> Yay, my sister is on here- her invite worked <MarkDude> I really think it is because she is kinda near the Vally <MarkDude> valley <rww> I'm assuming that my initial guess of "San Fernando" is wrong and you mean Silicon. <rww> MarkDude: so I figure you'll know. What was this Facebook announcement thing? <MarkDude> It was crap. It should have been a blogpost <MarkDude> Mark Z taught us math, for like 20 minutes <pleia2> the skype integration for voice chat? * MarkDude was part of google hangout with chris Pirillo on it <MarkDude> YEp, no workie for Linux * MarkDude says eff Mark Z in neck <MarkDude> in neck <MarkDude> :) <rww> oh, so nothing I care about then <pleia2> skype is kinda past it's prime anyway <pleia2> its <MarkDude> it was like welcom to 2007 <philipballew> MarkDude, pleia2 rww skype for linux could fade out now anyway to to msofts new ownership to <MarkDude> Zonker posted about that subject, it was pretty good <rww> not that it means much, but "Microsoft will continue to invest in and support Skype clients on non-Microsoft platforms" ~ Microsoft press release <philipballew> they also have said "we love open source" rww <rww> And? Some of Microsoft does love
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