#ubuntu-touch 2012-11-07 <dandrader> cnd, ping #ubuntu-touch 2012-11-08 <cnd> dandrader: pong <dandrader> cnd, it was about access rights for making a new release of the libraries etc. But I got it sorted out <cnd> ok #ubuntu-touch 2012-11-09 <TheMuso> I'm experimenting with geisview and a multi-touch touchpad in a 2011 MBP. I am finding that I only see 3-finger gestures being registered. Is there a way to at least temporarily alter the state of the touchpad/driver such that 1 and 2 finger gestures register? Yes I know geisview registers everything greater than one touch, but still... <TheMuso> Unity 3-finger drag/grab handles gestures, and dash gestures all work. <ppd> hi. I just need some clarification. I beliebe unity in 12.10 has multitouch support, correct? Second: What is the preferred way to investigate whether unity recognizes for example my wacom touchscreen as a multitouch device? #ubuntu-touch 2012-11-10 <ppd> hi, can someone tell me the state of multitouch support in unity? I remember having unity recognize 3-4 buttons in the past where launching the resize handles with a 3 or 4 finger tap worked. Atm in 12.10 nothing works aside from some really jerky two finger gestures. This is on a lenovo x230t, so the hardware is supported quite well I believe <miro_dietiker> hi! i'm having a 13" macbook, ubuntu 12.04 and trying to optimize my touche experience. followed a few howtos but they seem to be wrong. #ubuntu-touch 2012-11-12 <SoapMacTavish> soooo, I need help with one issue here, tried so many things, but no luck. <SoapMacTavish> http://askubuntu.com/questions/142182/mac-like-multitouch-support tried this one, over and over, looked at several threads, but no luck. It seems to me that: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:utouch-team/daily is the thing not working here. <SoapMacTavish> any clues? <bregma> SoapMacTavish, have you tried experimenting with the various touchpad settings under "Mouse and Touchpad" in the "System Settinsg" control panel? <SoapMacTavish> there is only one option there, two-finger-scrolling or not, after installing Touchegg the options did not change. 64 bit ubuntu btw, if that matters <SoapMacTavish> when i try to add ppa:utouch-team/daily it fails, i do not know why, but it does... <bregma> you should probably be using ppa:~oif-team/daily (the team was renamed, I'm not sure if they're identical) <SoapMacTavish> got a crash report here to, but i will try the new one <SoapMacTavish> Cannot access PPA (https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~~oif-team/+archive/daily) to get PPA information, please check your internet connection. <SoapMacTavish> i try to type touchegg in terminal, but i get some kind of error.... <SoapMacTavish> Reading config from "/ home / soap / .config / touchegg / touchegg.conf" <SoapMacTavish> Memory Segment Error (core dumped) <bregma> mm, I'm not sure what shape touchegg is in, it;s an external project <SoapMacTavish> ahhhh, so i see, then i do not give a damn, might look into this later :D <SoapMacTavish> no other solutions for multitouch like MAC on Ubuntu? <SoapMacTavish> i like the consept of the gestures on mac, <bregma> I think it's still a work in progress, requiring upstream toolkits to actually want to get gestures working <SoapMacTavish> yeah, thought so, so we just have to wait #ubuntu-touch 2012-11-13 <dandrader> bregma, odd, I'm getting this error when compiling geis against latest grail. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1355250/ <dandrader> have you seem this before? <bregma> I build in a pbuilder against grail 3.0.8 and I don't see that error <dandrader> bregma, are you using quantal? <bregma> my pbuilder is for raring, I use quantal on the desktop (and yes I built there OK too, to test #1077376) <bregma> daily builds in the PPA ran OK too <dandrader> great... I've to remove -Werror to compile it. but it's a stupid warning. I can live with it <dandrader> s/stupid/innocuous :) <bregma> dandrader, could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~bregma/geis/lp-1077376/+merge/134027 so I can get a new geis release out and fix raring crashes? <dandrader> bregma, that's what I've been doing <bregma> though so but justhad to be sure <bregma> they're breathing down my neck <bregma> (does that expression translate well?) <dandrader> it would be nice if launchpad had a review status like "ongoing" or "inprogress" <TheMuso> Anybody working on the move to python 3 for geis? I ask because if nobody is doing so, I will likely tackle it this week since I need python 3 bindings. <bregma> TheMuso, there was some preliminary work done, but there's no one booked to finish it off so it;s all yours if you want it <TheMuso> bregma: I don't necessarily want it, but I do need them for my work this cycle, so I will take a zstrickland@example.net. <TheMuso> bregma: I see that geis-tools is currently the only consumer of the python bindings in the archive. Should I keep python2 bindings around? My thought is not to do so given no consumers in the archive. <bregma> TheMuso, I think any non-archive geis python client will just have to upgrade to python3, I'm all for ditching the python3 bindings <TheMuso> bregma: Ditching the python 2 bindings you mean. :) <bregma> yes, I stand corrected <TheMuso> bregma: BTW I proposed a merge to fix Ubuntu bug 1077419. That merge fixes the bug for me. <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1077419 in geis (Ubuntu) "Setting up geis-tools (2.2.13-0ubuntu1) failed" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1077419 <TheMuso> I didn't refer to the bug in the merge because I found the bug after the fact. <bregma> thanks for the fix, I didn't have time to get to it today because I had to rush the geis 2.2.14 release out <TheMuso> Understood. <TheMuso> I was thinking of pushing the fix into raring, since its a broken package, and you can then role the fix into upstrea at your own leasure. Is that ok with you? <bregma> that should be just fine <TheMuso> Ok cool, will get to it later today after my pilot duties. #ubuntu-touch 2012-11-15 <bdmurray> What is the status of ginn? I've run into bug 985121. <ubot5> Launchpad bug 985121 in ginn (Ubuntu) "Ginn doesn't subscribe to gestures" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/985121 <bregma> bdmurray, ginn is mostly unmaintained due to a lack of resources: that particular bug is because the daemon is unable to grab gestures on the root window after some xinput2 changes went in to the x.org server <bregma> it would be swell if someone could pick up and dust the bitrot out of ginn <SoapMacTavish> hello dear ubuntu friends, I have a question for one of you, and i hop ei get to the bottom of this now and for all. <SoapMacTavish> I have this computer here - http://www.tecflap.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Packard-Bell-EasyNote-TE.jpg can i in some way get my mouse/touchpad to get multitouch gestures, or is this computer not supported for this in any way?? <SoapMacTavish> i have read on this page about this project, but i am not shure if it is the right thing i am looking at, because I can see in the videos that it is demonstrated on touch-screens <SoapMacTavish> http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2011/08/ubuntu-multi-touch-gesture-support.html <----- that page <SoapMacTavish> no one to answer that? #ubuntu-touch 2012-11-16 <TheMuso> Ok, I'm part of the way through porting to python 3, but when attempting to use pygeis, I hit an error with the callback wrapper in the bindings, and I don't have nearly enough experience with ctypes to know whats changed, or how it currently breaks. If someone is able to take a look and help me sort it out, that would be appreciated. <TheMuso> The branch is lp:~themuso/python3. <TheMuso> Thanks in advance. #ubuntu-touch 2012-11-19 <dandrader> bregma, ping <bregma> dandrader|afk, pong <dandrader> bregma, what do you think: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1080819 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1080819 in frame "It should be possible to build frame without x11" [High,In progress] <dandrader> grail would need something similar, to #ifdef its frame_x11_* calls <bregma> dandrader, the whole point of the frame library was indeed to hide the dirty details of X11, so it's legit <bregma> grail wasn;t supposed to know about X11, so something leaked <bregma> but the same bug could be used for grail, so the changes go in together <dandrader> yeah, it's bad to have fraem_x11_* calls in grail indeed <dandrader> what it uses is frame_x11_accept_touch and frame_x11_reject_touch <bregma> there's also som e X11 calls in geis in the grail back end <dandrader> I think the idea of having it in the x11 namespace instead of in the regular frame_ api was that not all platforms would have the accept/reject concept for touches <dandrader> so in that sense grail would have to know if the frame objects it receives are using the x11 backend or not. which is weird because then it's not really a backend anymore as it's also being exposed on the front side <bregma> there's also a bit of X11 dependency leaking through geis, in that the windowid gets used as a filter, but then again toolkits use that information <bregma> geis uses X11 directly for (1) detecting input devices (2) pumping the frame event loop, and (3) dark xsync magic <bregma> perhaps there is a way to tease those functions out into a separate chunk of code so that geis is also no dependent on X11? <dandrader> so I think the best way would be for the platform-specific calls to be available only on their corresponding platforms. like Qt does. I has a couple of mac windows and linux specific functions that only existing when Qt is built in those platforms. and then code that make use of those platform-specific functions would have to surround them with #ifdefs <bregma> problem with that is you can;t have the library built both ways on the same platform (which may not be a problem in the long run but may be difficult suring the transition) <bregma> s/suring/during/ <dandrader> bregma, what do you mean by "both ways"? <bregma> well, if we wanted to have, for example, X11 support and some other non-X11 support in the same OS <bregma> you could build the libraries twice and use different SONAMEs and -D options for each build <dandrader> in frame, for instance, we currently have 2 backends: x11 and platform-independent <dandrader> the platform-independent backend is always built <dandrader> and the platform specific ones would be mutually exclusive <dandrader> well, actually they don't need to be mutually exclusive, just optional/configurable <dandrader> e.g. if you don't have foo libs or passed --disable-foo, don't build foo backend <dandrader> but for the sake of simplicity it might be better to make them mutually exclusive <TheMuso> Hey folks. I've made some progress on the python3 port, but when attempting to run pygeis, I am getting a traceback with relation to the callback wrappers in python and ctypes, and I am not sure what the problem is, as my experience with ctypes limited. https://code.launchpad.net/~themuso/geis/python3 <TheMuso> That branch is what I have done so far. <bregma> TheMuso, I'll try to take a look in a few hours, but my ctypes is a little rusty <TheMuso> bregma: Thanks. <MuNk`> general ubuntu UI it just to small, thought Ubuntu had its own Touch U by now? #ubuntu-touch 2012-11-20 <TheMuso> bregma: Thanks, but I thought you'd just merge what I had done so far into mainline. <dandrader> bregma, ping <bregma> dandrader, pong <dandrader> for the optional compilation of the frame x11 backend, do you prefer --without-x11 or --disable-x11[-backend]? <dandrader> right now I'm going for the --without option <dandrader> but I'm not sure which one fits better in this case. <bregma> how about AC_ENABLE(x11) (which gives you --enable-x11=[yes|no] and --disable-x11 as command-line options to ./configure, and you can set the default to yes for now and no later when that's what needs to be done)?) <bregma> sorry, the modern equivalent is AC_ARG_ENABLE, my age is showing <dandrader> I was using AC_ARG_WITH. yeah, I can use this one <dandrader> we already have --with-evemu, I wonder if that influences our choice here <dandrader> bregma, there it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/frame/+bug/1080819 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1080819 in frame "It should be possible to build frame without x11" [High,In progress] <dandrader> sorry, that's the correct link: https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/frame/lp1080819/+merge/135162 * bregma add it to today's work queue <dandrader> :) * dandrader does for lunch #ubuntu-touch 2012-11-23 <WebVisitor-8> Hello <dandrader> bregma, would you have time to review those no-x11 merge proposals today (for frame and grail)? <bregma> dandrader, hopefully, it's bubbled up to the top now <bregma> I'll be out for a few hours this morning, though, so probably later today <dandrader> bregma, ok, cool #ubuntu-touch 2012-11-26 <bregma> dandrader, haven't forgotten the outstanding review, hopefully today <dandrader> bregma, ok. Neil has been asking about it. <bregma> Friday ended up being eaten by moths #ubuntu-touch 2012-11-27 <TheMuso> c/ <speakman> Hi folks. Are there any active development regarding multitouch in Ubuntu currently? I'm thinking of buying an Apple Magic Mouse, but I remember having a tough time with the mouse pad on my MacBook Air in 12.04. <dandrader> speakman, no, not really. at least in terms of new gestures in Unity and such <dandrader> but there are new gestures in 12.10 compared to 12.04 <dandrader> I was thinking about adding the equivalent of frame_x11_accept_touch and frame_x11_reject_touch in frame.h. Afterall frame.h already has XInput2 specific concepts such as touch ownership and pending end. <dandrader> that would enable grail to get rid of its use of the frame_x11 header <dandrader> so that frame_x11.h could be really a backend side only affair <dandrader> and frame clients (grail) wouldn't have to bother about what backend was used to creaete the frame events it has been receiving <dandrader> bregma, cnd thoughts? <cnd> hmm <cnd> let me take a quick look at the code <cnd> dandrader: the only XI2 specific bits are properties on touches, right? <cnd> UFTouchPropertyOwned, for example <dandrader> cnd, right <cnd> what do you propose will happen if you try to call frame_accept_touch() when the backend doesn't support it? <dandrader> nothing :) <cnd> return an error code? <cnd> hmm... <cnd> I guess I don't see anything wrong with doing nothing <cnd> in either case <cnd> yeah, I think it's ok <cnd> you'll have to deal with the API dance <cnd> ensuring that the updated grail depends on the updated frame <cnd> and that the relation continues into the packaging as well <cnd> we wouldn't want someone to get a new grail and an old frame and die <cnd> dandrader: I guess there's a slight complication * dandrader listens <cnd> reject semantics also means: I shouldn't get any more events for this touch <cnd> so you would need to add a filter for non-ownership backends <cnd> if the client rejects touch 8, and then new events come in for that touch, you would need to filter them out <dandrader> right #ubuntu-touch 2012-11-28 <speakman> I was thinking more like pixel-smooth scrolling for Chrome and overall better touchpad support. I've been pretty spoiled by Mointain Lion :) <speakman> Just got my Magic Mouse. Seems like there's stuff to do. :) <bregma> speakman, there is much to do on the magic mouse, it's a nontrivial task <speakman> I see. Should I be using evdev or synaptics to start with? <bregma> see what it defaults to, I think it defaults to evdev <speakman> yep, but it seems like I can't set scrolling settings in evdev <speakman> (or I don't know how) <speakman> But evdev seems to only get keypress events when I'm scrolling. How can I make it work as smooth as two-finger scroll on a mousepad? <bregma> speakman, if you want the two-finger scrolling, you have to switch to synaptics <bregma> it will work more like a separate touchpad that way, but it's probably closer to the experience you're looking for <bregma> you may need to jiggle settings in the Mouse and Touchpad panel, too <speakman> OK, thanks! Since I do not use an xorg.conf at all currently, is there a way to change driver from evdev to synaptics without it? <speakman> Or can I just specify the driver alone in an xorg.conf? <bregma> speakman, you need to tweak some settings in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and unfortunately I'm so rusty on which ones I'm not too useful <speakman> bregma: ok, I didn't even knew there were a ".d" directory. Is there a name for such? /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and /etc/apache2/conf.d/ etc? <speakman> I don't have such directory either :/ <bregma> odd <bregma> I know the xserver-xorg-input-evdev package installs files into that directory, for a start <speakman> ops! Was looking in /etc/ when it should be /usr/share/. How come settings files are in /usr/share/ btw? <bregma> I don't know, it's an x.org thing I guess <bregma> the /usr/share settings are application defaults, the /etc/X11 settings are local system defaults and override the /usr/share ones <dandrader> bregma, is there any way for me to make configure use, say, "-ggdb -O0" instead of "-g -O2"? I've been manually replacing these in the genereated configure script, but I suppose there's a better way that I'm unaware of <dandrader> setting the CFLAGS or CPPFLAGS environment variables before running configure doesn't help <bregma> CXXFLAGS="-O0 -ggdb3" ./configure .... <bregma> or set CXXFLAGS before running make * dandrader tries out <bregma> and verify with "make V=1" <dandrader> that V=1 trick I was aware of <dandrader> -ggdb3? <dandrader> "man gcc" doesn't show that... <bregma> gdb3 includes DWARF level 3 debugging symbols, 1 more than the default <dandrader> it worked with CXXFLAGS :) thanks! #ubuntu-touch 2012-11-30 <ppd> hi, anyone here? How do I check multitouch capabilities of my screen in ubuntu? I remember having multitouch to some extent but in Quantal and Raring there is nothing beyond more or less unusable two finger gestures <dandrader> ppd, you can try xinput test-xi2 <device> <ppd> dandrader, wow thanks! Max number of touches reports as 5 for the touchscreen. So I guess somehow multitouch should somehow work. At least for this resize handles thingie. <ppd> what am I supposed to be able to do in this window that openend up? draw something with my fingers? If so, then this doesn't work... :( <dandrader> yes, it should <dandrader> ppd, not, it's just there to capture events and print them on the terminal <ppd> dandrader, interestingly I get a list with "valuators" when I touch the screen with more than two fingers. However all are "0.00" except the first two <dandrader> ppd, that's not a problem. the first two are probably x and y coordinates of the touch point <dandrader> and the rest are likely auxiliary information such as size of touch area, pressure <ppd> dandrader, I figured when I moved around a little on the screen :)) <ppd> the question now is, where is the black hole that sucks the multitouch information <ppd> I once used a program called mtview in an older version on ubuntu to visualize the fingers recognized. Seems not in the repos unfortunately <dandrader> well, unity catches gestures with 3 and 4 touches. so applications will never see them <dandrader> applications will only receive 2-finger gestures <ppd> ah I see. Okay, that sounds sensible. I even found a list of supposed-to-work gestures in unity. However none of them work and I'm trying to find out why <ppd> btw. I really appreciate that you're trying to feed some info to a multitouch noob <dandrader> yw <ppd> dandrader, do you have an idea how to proceed? I assume the info on this page is correct:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch So there should be quite some gestures available to me. However nothing works. So in my naive mind I assume the unity multitouch framework (grail?) doesn't receive the touch events/data. How would I start debugging that? <dandrader> hmm, that won't be so simple. <dandrader> one way is to run compiz manually from a terminal so that you can check grail output. like that: <dandrader> GRAIL_DEBUG=-1 compiz --replace ccp <dandrader> that from a virtual terminal <dandrader> but debugging compiz or xserver from your own machine is a pain <dandrader> it's more sane to do that via ssh <ppd> well that would be no problem <ppd> the thing is, I'm pretty much clueless, so I would need some serious guidance and such <dandrader> ok, good. another way would be to kill compiz (so that unity doesn't capture all 3 and 4 finger gestures) and run a simple grail or geis test application to check the gesture events <dandrader> geis tools ships a python app for that. it's called "geis view" if I'm not mistaken <ppd> ok. so I start a let's say lxde session or so and run the geisview program from there <dandrader> another thing is checking the output of xinput test-xi2 <device>. perform a multitouch gesture and see how many touch points are generated <dandrader> the "detail: 123" parameter tells the touch id <ppd> this should work from inside unity for more than 3 touches, correct? <dandrader> I think so <dandrader> so you should get a different stream of touch events (different detail param) for each touch <ppd> detail seems to just increase by 1 for every time I start touching the screen <dandrader> let's say you move 3 fingers along the screen. you should get 3 new detail numbers <dandrader> because new 3 touch points were detected and reported <ppd> okay. one finger is detail: 0, if I touch with more I get details numbers >60 which do not really correspond to the amount of fingers I use <ppd> however the number increases with every "gesture" <ppd> I do receive events if I move up to 5 fingers on the screen, the sixth does not generate any events. So 5 finger support seems to be correct <ppd> interesting. The number always increases by two, no matter how many fingers I touch with <ppd> seems it recognizes only two at a time <dandrader> ok. gotta go. good luck with your debugging ! #ubuntu-touch 2013-11-01 <nik90> szymon_w: can you mark that bug affecting you <nik90> will raise the bug hea <nik90> heat* <szymon_w> nik90, sure * nik90 wonders what Gerry Boland's nick is to say thnx <greyback> nik90: hi :) <popey> heh <greyback> I'm just about to go to bed now, but if you've any questions/problems with the layouting stuff, please let me know, I should be able to help <greyback> nik90: ^^ <nik90> greyback: thnx :) <nik90> gnite <greyback> nik90: welcome! * greyback goes to dreamy sleepy land <mhall119> nik90: were you looking for info about convergence layouts? <nik90> mhall119: yes <nik90> mhall119: but I read the SDK API docs and figured it out <nik90> a bug also reported <mhall119> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/UbuntuUserInterfaceToolkit.ubuntu-layouts/ ? <nik90> mhall119: yup that's what I finally used <mhall119> cool <nik90> I will write a small todo post on that. It doesn't seem that difficult to use layouts <nik90> we desperately something similar for the friends feature <nik90> it is a highlighted feature which is missing official documentation <mhall119> you mean how-to kind of docs for friends? <nik90> mhall119: yes <mhall119> yeah, would be helpful, kenvandine can probably provide something <nik90> I think that the developer.ubuntu.com should definitely have docs for Ubuntu specific features such as HUD, Welcome screen infographics, friends, u1db <nik90> I think it is missing all of the above * nik90 checks <nik90> mhall119: this page -> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/ <nik90> mhall119: what format do you accept? <nik90> mhall119: I wouldn't mind writing up the documentation for HUD and Welcome Screen Infographics <mhall119> nik90: html chunks <sr20dett> how can i use QGraphicsWebView to view a url in ubuntu touch <sr20dett> found this in a qt fourm but it is not ubuntu-touch specific QWebView *view = new QWebView(); view->load(QUrl("http://www.naukri.com")); view->show(); <nandersson> Hi, what was the name of the new messaging client coming in Ubuntu Phone? <nandersson> It was some project that could be found on Launchpad, but I have forgot the name :( <nandersson> i.e the software that is replacing pidgin/empathy <nandersson> Is this the package replacing pidgin/empathy in Ubuntu Touch? https://launchpad.net/messaging-app <nhaines> nandersson: it's called "Friends" and it is already in Ubuntu. <nandersson> nhaines, ah, ok thanks a lot! <karbon> hello guys <karbon> I received this error <karbon> ERROR:phablet-flash:Command 'adb push /home/martin/Downloads/phablet-flash/imageupdates/pool/ubuntu-2b5345658b58e55207c4a4e7b6b3d8cd4f3d9a3187d2448fc9020c884234bac0.tar.xz /cache/recovery/' returned non-zero exit status 1 <ecardenas> hi good night <ecardenas> excuseme <ecardenas> ubuntu touch 13.10 its work in galaxy s3 gt-i8190l <karbon> hello <karbon> can anyone help? <ecardenas> hi karbon <ecardenas> excusame for my english its not good <ecardenas> im have samsung s3 mini gt-i8190l <ecardenas> and like install ubuntu touch 13.10 <karbon> yes i have galaxy nexus <karbon> but it got stuck <ecardenas> an dont have idea its work in this phone <ecardenas> ubuntu touch 13.10 only work in nexus 4 and heiguer <ecardenas> and higer <karbon> i followed the instructions for glaxy nexus <karbon> http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/install <morphis> ogra_: ping <vmalep> Hi all. I reiinstall my Nexus 4 on the 17th, but since then, it indicate no update available? Is it so or should I run a new "phablet-flash ubuntu-system -b"? <successus> salud <Maclaren> hello, i want to upgrade ubuntu touch 13.10 to the 13.10 beta version <Maclaren> can it be done through the terminal <nhaines> There is no 13.10 beta version. We are on 13.10. Release 100 last I checked. <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday and happy Authors' Day! :-D <popey> xnox: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6340336/ - emulator segfaults for me â¹ <obiwlan> did anyone get x11 forwarding to work with ubuntu touch? x11 forwarding is enabled in sshd_config by default, but when i log in (ssh -X phablet@ubuntu-touch) the DISPLAY variable isn't set <popey> unlikely, the phone doesn't ship with X <popey> it being enabled is just a default option I suspect <popey> not an indication that it should work <obiwlan> i installed x11-common and x11-apps <obiwlan> it's in the package repository <obiwlan> i thought it was worth a try. so i could carry my development environment with me <nhaines> obiwlan: you'd need to have an X server that supported your graphics hardware, and then you'd need to start X. <nhaines> I guess that'd just be the beginning. <obiwlan> nhaines: no, the server is my desktop <obiwlan> nhaines: you don't need to start x on the client machine where the apps are running or do you? x can be a little confusing <ogra_> you shouldnt need that, no <obiwlan> it wouldn't make sense to have x packages and firefox, eclipse in the ubuntu touch repository otherwise <obiwlan> which depend on x <ogra_> "the ubuntu touch repository" ? <ogra_> it is the normal ubuntu repo <ogra_> (which is also used for arm desktop and server images) <obiwlan> ogra_: oh, ok .. didn't notice it <ogra_> the touch images are built with recommends disabled ... i suspect you are missing dependencies to make the X forwarding work <obiwlan> ogra_: probably <ogra_> gra@chromebook:~$ apt-cache show openssh-server|grep ^Recommends <ogra_> Recommends: xauth, ncurses-term, ssh-import-id <ogra_> try installing these <ogra_> (at least xauth i think) <obiwlan> ogra_: yay, xauth was missing. thank you! <obiwlan> i'm starting to like UT :D <obiwlan> not the perfect experience, since i still need a thin client instead of just a dumb monitor and input devices... but it already gives a good impression of what's going to happen in the future <davmor2> Morning all <davmor2> ogra_: is it me or did the maliit become a lot less reliable on webapps and pages <ogra_> hmm, i havent noticed it being worse here <davmor2> ogra_: for me it's not showing up on comments for g+ Facebook or twitter is was on saucy <ogra_> well, that sounds liek a regression ... works for me though <xnox> popey: emulator: ping program: /home/alan/adt-bundle-linux-x86_64-20130219/sdk/tools/ddms looks weird. <xnox> popey: can you please run it in a clean environment not populted by any other android builds? <popey> hmmm, okay <davmor2> popey, ogra_: have you got a phone that doesn't have the updated music player on it yet. I seem to keep getting Network error trying to update it I'm about to chase it with my team to see if it is an error our side <popey> nope <popey> updated both <ogra_> i installed manually on myy maguro yesterday ... didnt update apps on the mako for a while, let me see <ogra_> update worked fine <davmor2> just me then that's good :) <JamesTait> Downloaded fine on my laptop too. <JamesTait> ogra_, this reminds me, I hacked together a little Python script to get click packages. It handles the SSO login and oauth signing and drops the downloaded file in $HOME. If it would be of use, I can drop it somewhere public. <ogra_> sure, /me would post it to the ML ;) <popey> xnox: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6340586 - better, runs <JamesTait> ogra_, good idea! :) <xnox> popey: \o/ <xnox> popey: now i guess i should be able to unset the environment variables that screwed it up =) <popey> xnox: yeah, ANDROID_HOME is the only one I think I have set <xnox> popey: cool thanks. <davmor2> ogra_: oh that's interesting there was a system update too I'm wondering if that was blocking it <ogra_> unlikely <ogra_> they should be completely separate <davmor2> ogra_: pass then the system update has the new version of the music app on it :) <davmor2> so now I have no more apps that are out of date :) <ogra_> oh, did the updater show you the app even after the system update ? <popey> hmm <popey> i made a webapp and listed a bunch of webappUrlPatterns but the website still seems to break out into a separate webbrowser * popey fiddles <popey> ogra_: Ignoring empty or invalid webapp url pattern: "https?://dict.cc/*" <popey> webbrowser-app: unrecognized option '--webappUrlPatterns=https?://dict.cc/*,https?://touch.dict.cc/*' <ogra_> oh ? <popey> lots of that <popey> check the log in ~/.cache/upstart <ogra_> the reviewer asked me for this <popey> I see same on my app <popey> no, they won't <ogra_> it used to be just dict.cc <popey> it appears in the log when you stat the app <ogra_> --webappUrlPatterns=https?://dict.cc/* was my original code <popey> application-click-com.ubuntu.developer.ogra.dict_dict_0.3.log <popey> thats the latest version ? <ogra_> yes <popey> right, so thats generating those errors <popey> I dont know if it's a problem or not <ogra_> desktop_Exec_webbrowser_target_netloc_matches_patterns (dict, https?://dict.cc/*)&quot;: &quot;&#39;touch.dict.cc&#39; != primary pattern <ogra_> I suggest fixing this by using this as the Exec in the desktop file: <ogra_> Exec=webbrowser-app --webapp --enable-back-forward --webappUrlPatterns=https?://dict.cc/*,https?://touch.dict.cc/* http://touch.dict.cc/ <ogra_> thats the mail i got <ogra_> (the mails are really hard to read in a text only mailer btw) <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/WebAppsConfinement <ogra_> ah, you mean the last point ? <ogra_> "must match" ... hrm <popey> just referring to the docs <ogra_> thats annoying <popey> but yes <popey> which is annoying for me because m.bbc.co.uk/news redirects to www.bbc.co.uk/news <ogra_> right <ogra_> i know plenty of such pages * popey tries http?://*.bbc.co.uk/news * popey tries http?://*.bbc.co.uk/news/* <ogra_> they just carry over the user agent to the main page * ogra_ has a similar prob with m.slashdot.org <ogra_> using a qml wrapper works, but then yuo are lacking a back button and wont have the --webappUrlPatterns to open external links in a browser <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1226690 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1226690 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu Saucy) "--webappUrlPatterns should be hardened" [Undecided,Fix released] <ogra_> bah, k <ogra_> i'll change dict.cc * popey fettles bbc <ogra_> popey, try if it also happens with http://daker.me/2013/10/package-your-webapp-for-ubuntu-touch.html <ogra_> if not, it should be easily fixble by adding m.bbc.co.uk to the us-overrides.js of the browser <popey> hmm <ogra_> m.slashdot.org works fine with it <popey> damnit <ogra_> its just that this way lacks all the browser features like the back button etc <ogra_> (and the url patterns indeed) <popey> gonna unpublish bbcnews till I can fix it <ogra_> what happens to unpulished apps people have installed already btw ? <ogra_> do we wipe them ? <popey> hehe <popey> remote wipe <popey> yeah, that would go down well ã <popey> no, they just disappear from the store <popey> ogra_: that works but no back button is frustrating <ogra_> right <ogra_> i filed a bug for having a cmdline option to override the UA <ogra_> trying to find it <popey> the UA isnt the issue for me <ogra_> oh ? <ogra_> but you said the qml wrapper works <ogra_> the only puprose of this is to override the UA <ogra_> (you could also just add a line to the ua-overrides.js for this url pattern) <ogra_> bug 1245465 <ubot5> bug 1245465 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "should offer a commandline option to override the user agent in webapp mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1245465 <popey> hang on. <popey> I am not seeing a problem with the UA <popey> the problem I get is that it redirects from m.bbc.co.uk/news to www.bbc.co.uk/news and back to m.bbc.co.uk/news <popey> which launches a separate browser session <popey> using daker's method to confine it (without munging the UA) is good for solving that problem, but then I get no back button <ogra_> ah, so you commented the UA sring in the qml file ? <ogra_> *string <popey> removed it, yes <ogra_> ah, k <daker> popey: so removing the UA function made it work ? <popey> "work" <popey> no <popey> the UA isn't the issue for me <daker> the UA is an issue you need to send the mobile UA too <popey> its not an issue for the site I am using <popey> the issue is the redirect which it always does <popey> which is fine, because it redirects back again to teh right page <popey> I just don't seem to be able to craft the weburlpatterns right <daker> you are being redirect to http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/ because you are not sending a mobile UA <ogra_> daker, well, i would think he still gets the mobile version (which would mean the UA is fine) <popey> i do <popey> it goes m -> news -> m again <ogra_> popey, davmor2, so if you guys try to keep a few apps open (for me thats >4 on maguro and >6 on mako) do you also see the die after a few hours being in the bg ... (and then end up with an empty thumbnail or even shuffled thumbnail labeling) <popey> not tried as I keep rebooting mine <popey> will leave one for a bit <ogra_> ah, well, i switched completely to my mako <ogra_> and it makes it failrly unusable ... <ogra_> some apps start over if you swipe to them ... <ogra_> but well, they start over from scratch <ogra_> so all open data is lost etc <ogra_> (browser always starts from ubuntu.com, selected topic in shorts isnt selected anymore but you end up at the start page) <davmor2> ogra_: I have 5 open and it is running at a snails pace but still going, usable would be a vast overstatment <ogra_> yeah, maguro is really bad here ... but for me it even happens with 2 or 3 apps on maguro <ogra_> after a fresh reboot it works for a while <davmor2> ogra_: http://ubuntuone.com/1iXIRnGo61HOQJGpFGQRPY <ogra_> the apps seem to be properly SIGSTOPed as they should and start again if i swipe to them <ogra_> but after a while one or two of them crash <ogra_> and the havoc starts <ogra_> yeah <davmor2> ogra_: hmm actually each individual app seems to be okay when it has the foreground, it's just if you try and do anything that uses the system that it grinds to a halt <ogra_> well, for how many hours did you keep them ? * ogra_ has the habit of using a handfull apps that always stay open ... and after a while they start to die <ogra_> on maguro i usually only have 3 open ... mako allows more and survives a lot longer ... but shows the same behavior <sergiusens> ogra_, confirming the label switch <sergiusens> ogra_, although I switched back to sf as I got tired of waiting ages for things to happen <ogra_> sergiusens, any idea against what to file this ? <sergiusens> ogra_, I'd say either unity8 or unity-mir <ogra_> i suspect the whole app lifecycle thing still doesnt work as it should <sergiusens> ogra_, it does fairly well for webapps <ogra_> (apps are supposed to always keep their state even if they get completely killed IIRC) <ogra_> sergiusens, i see it mostly with webapps * ogra_ usually has 4 news sites open, G+ and shorts <ogra_> usually shorts is the first one to die though <sergiusens> ogra_, yeah, state and webapps I can give to you as not ideal <ogra_> but often enough i also get the "empty swipe" for a webapp <ogra_> i'm just trying without swap on mako ... <ogra_> it actually seems to happen later then <ogra_> (but still happens) <jjlwork> I am installing on Nexus 7 (grouper), when I do fastboot flash boot trusty-preinstalled-boot-armfh+grouper.img I get FAILED (command write failed (invalid argument)) can anyone help <popey> Hmm. I thought I could fiddle with .local/share/applications/foo.desktop and then "start application APP_ID=foo_1.0" and it use that new desktop file <popey> seems not <popey> desktop file data cached somewhere else? <popey> woop woop <popey> fixed it via judicous use of trial and error <pablin262004> hi my device bird73gb is posible install ubuntu? <popey> pablin262004: is it listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices ? <pablin262004> nop <pablin262004> its clone chinesse phone <pablin262004> h7300 <popey> pablin262004: so you need to find someone to port to it, does CyanogenMod 10 work on it? <pablin262004> thanks <freppo> hi <freppo> hi <Jesseee> is there currently an ubuntu touch emulator? <popey> Jesseee: no, but it's being worked on <Jesseee> how soon do you think it would become available :3/ <popey> Jesseee: it's already available, but the GUI doesn't yet work <Jesseee> where can i go for more information? <popey> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg04900.html <Jesseee> ty <popey> np <davmor2> ogra_: okay so I've had 6 apps open since you talked about the issue and I've just had to reboot the device to me though it looks like 3 of the 6 had been closed while scrolling between the apps. In reality I think they just all stayed open and the icons disappeared. But rebooting does indeed get me back to a fairly speedy system again <ogra_> well, the apps get killed in the back <davmor2> ogra_: in that case the 3 apps left open were using all the memory :) <ogra_> they should get SIGSTOPed ... if the ram gets low their state should be saved they should be killed to free the ram ... and once you open them again they should be started at the point where they were killed <ogra_> at least thats how i always understand tvoss if he talks about it <ogra_> i think the SIGSTOP (and start) works just fine <ogra_> but as soon as one app gets killed everything goes crazy <ogra_> (and they never pick up where you were) <sr20dett> Why is it when i start a simple touch ui and run it before i do anything.........its a transparent box <sr20dett> The design tab and code say there should at least be a button <popey> ogra_: davmor2 just looked at my nexus 4, all the apps are still running <ogra_> popey, was it suspended inbetween ? <popey> i tapped power button, yeah <popey> a few hours ago <davmor2> popey: I was waking my up and switching between the apps every 30 minutes or so <ogra_> popey, flick through them <popey> i just did <ogra_> one will start dieing at some point <popey> all 7 still open <ogra_> well then you are lucky ... i just had to start all of them again after all the labels were wrong <ogra_> but it doesnt seem to happen after any fixed time frame <ogra_> i think it is a matter of usage <popey> hmmm <Moebieus> anyone willing to help me flash back to android? read the site just had a question on one of the steps <Marinella> Hello guyts <Marinella> Guys <davmor2> Marinella: hello <Marinella> I have a question, in my ubuntu touch i have problem with increase audio smartphone soul song, how can i do for resolve this problem? <Marinella> audio too low for music Soul, how icreas it? are there a solution for this problem? <Marinella> my device it's Nexus 4 <successus> salud <Marinella> how increase audio music soul from ubuntu touch? <mpt> seb128, http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?1797 <seb128> mpt, thanks <seb128> mpt, found the bug, I even assigned to you some weeks ago when it was filed ;-) <seb128> mpt, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1239884 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1239884 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Show visual feedback when a settings section is selected" [Wishlist,Triaged] <mpt> Okay, Iâll blat through bugs this afternoon <seb128> mpt, thanks <Marinella> how can i boost audio in my ubuntu touch, soul ringtone audio too low, why? <Marinella> ok, now i have go... bye <mpt> Marinella, the volume hardware buttons should do that. If they do not, that is a bug. <Marinella> mpt soul ringtone audio too low <Marinella> mpt volume max but sound audio too low <yahoo> whats the version no of latest release ? <yahoo> ... <Dicegasm> guys, do you know when ubuntu will support nexus5? <Marinella> bye <popey> Dicegasm: when a) someone buys one, b) someone ports to it <Marinella> popey <popey> Marinella: hello <Dicegasm> popey, do you know when the desktop version will be available ? <Marinella> popey, i have go... bye <popey> Dicegasm: 14.04 to 14.10 timescale <Dicegasm> Popey, ooh :/ 5 months.. until 14.04,.. <popey> it'll come round sooner than you think â» <Dicegasm> i really wanted the ubuntu edge :( <popey> so did i! <a_muva> I'm having problems with alarm. Does it work? <a_muva> look like I can not save settings <Marinella> Hello how can i disable bluetooth ? <Marinella> i want permanently disable bluetooth becouse i see there is a bug <nik90> a_muva: Alarms dont work yet <cwayne> stgraber, ping <stgraber> cwayne: ping-ish (at a conference) <stgraber> *pong <kpanic> Hello <cwayne> stgraber, ah, i can bother you another time then :) <popey> ogra_: ok, now my phone is unusable <kpanic> I'm trying to get ubuntu touch on i9300, it's booting fine but I think there's an issue with udev! <popey> 1737 phablet 20 0 666856 662204 1132 S 0.6 34.6 6:25.47 init <popey> that doesnt look good <kpanic> the radio is asking to load image phone from /dev/block/mmcblk0p7 <kpanic> while the device is under /dev directly <cwayne> kenvandine, how does signon-ui differ from phone <-> desktop? <cwayne> namely, how is it that my account-plugin on desktop has a known id, but ont he phone ID is blank <kenvandine> cwayne, on the phone it uses the webview UI <kenvandine> on the desktop it uses the Qt stuff <kenvandine> widgets that is <cwayne> kenvandine, so are the webkit.d/ conf files ignored? <cwayne> i.e. does it pull the Username/ID from there on desktop? <kenvandine> those are used still <kenvandine> but i think on the desktop it's webkit1 <kenvandine> phone is webkit2 <cwayne> hm <kenvandine> on the phone the wrapper to load it is QML/webkit2 <cwayne> i just don't get why the ID isn't automatically populated, as it seems twitter has essentially a blank qml-plugin, so how does it get pulled in while mine does not <kenvandine> i'd say it is most likely something with that QML loader in the account plugin <cwayne> i was hoping to have an empty one like twitter's, as api calls for this account are a bit more involved <cwayne> so iw as trying to avoid having to do an api call to get the display name <kenvandine> look at the Main.qml in flickr <kenvandine> it does a function call to get the username <kenvandine> i don't think we had to do that before... <cwayne> i saw facebook does that, but twitter's doesn't have to do that function call <beuno> kenvandine, heya! since you're Mr Friends, do you know if google talk is suppose to work in touch? <cwayne> kenvandine, any api call to fitbit has to have oauth signed auth headers, so it's a bit more complicated than passing the token in the url <beuno> kenvandine, it seems to always just tell me to set up things in online accounts, but I do have it set up <kenvandine> beuno, i don't think there is an app for google talk on touch <beuno> kenvandine, makes sense. Is it planned at all? <kenvandine> not sure... i hope so <kenvandine> we basically need a chat client <kenvandine> check with bfiller <kenvandine> cwayne, can you ask mardy about that on monday? <cwayne> kenvandine, sure thing! i think it can certainly be done in a qml plugin, but it's somewhat non-trivial (at least for someone like me who doesn't know what they're doing :P) <kenvandine> i'm just not seeing why you would need to if it works on the desktop <kenvandine> anyway... time to EOD! <kenvandine> have a great weekend! #ubuntu-touch 2013-11-02 <mlasala> hi, I just installed ubuntu in my Nexus 4 and now I wanna restore my Android backup (backup.ab) but I can't. I restart the device in recovery mode and from my ubuntu laptop y put the command "adb restore backup.ab" and this message appears: "Now unlock your device and confirm the restore operation." but in the phone I can't see any message <mlasala> anyone knows how to correcty restore the backup.ab file? <RobbyF> I might have the command <RobbyF> one sec <RobbyF> adb restore backup.ab <RobbyF> should work <RobbyF> or adb backup -apk -shared -all <ry_> Anyone have any docs on removing all the pre-populated data? or is there a build that leaves this out? <popey> ry_: what data? <ry_> All the preloaded contacts, text messages, call logs, etc <popey> thats an old build if you have all that <popey> we haven't had pre-installed data for some time now <ry_> Ah wow, not sure how I ended up with such an old build..Thanks much popey <mlasala> well, finally i did it but first i had to restore the factory image <Maclaren> how can i installthe latest ubuntu touch? <sr20dett> I think the problem with the sdk not working until you resize, Is an issue with the size of components inside the app like the buttons and in my apps case the text field. <sr20dett> I made a text field longer and it turned transparent/unusable until I would resize the app <sr20dett> i changed the size back and it worked fine again I tried to change this in the SDKs Simple Touch UI but nothing I adjusted there changed anything <sr20dett> I still think this could partly be where the problem resides <sr20dett> If this was a listed bug where would I find it....in launchpad? <Maclaren> how come adb packages are not avaliable <sr20dett> how do i add the #include <qurlquery> class to my app in the sdk <sr20dett> i want to replace two variables in a url and have it open that url <sr20dett> or qstring <sr20dett> that would work to <rigved> good morning <rigved> with android 4.4. not coming to my galaxy nexus :( , i guess it's time to upgrade to Ubuntu Touch! <rigved> is Ubuntu Touch now based on trusty? <sr20dett> hello? <sr20dett> can you guys see my posts? <rigved> sr20dett: yes, your messages can be seen...but none of the touch devs are awake yet...so, wait around for an hour or two on the channel for them to come online... <sr20dett> sorry new client im getting used to......tried another room as well <sr20dett> haha thanks ill try periodically <AlanO> I have a Nexus 4 running Ubuntu Touch 14.04 build 5, the last update was on 10/25/13. I somehow managed to disabled the ability to do OTA, nor can I connect to the device via USB and ADB. Any ideas how to restore this functionality? <Home_> Is there support for the new 2013 nexus 7 32 gig Wi-Fi edition? phablet-flash lists the device as flo and it fails to work. <Home_> when using the command phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel devel --no-backup <successus> salud <nhaines> Yay, I just published my first webapp. I'm a mobile developer now. I'm trippling my consulting rates. <nhaines> Home_: 2013 Nexus 7 is not supported at all, sorry. :( <den4ik> hello world <den4ik> do i have to have dual core? i want to make ubuntu for Nexus S 3g <mikeeee> lg g2 get ubuntu touch? <inhies> is there a way to dual boot so i dont lose my android setup on my nexus 4? <popey> inhies: there may be, but we don't support that <popey> because we dont test that scenario <LLKCKfan> My friend who showers twice a day and use Secret clinic strenght is telling me that her underarms still smell bad. Is there anything she can wash besides soap and water with that will help the smell disappear? I do not want to know what caused it as I do not care. And cannot change her diet. <popey> LLKCKfan: pretty much 100% offtopic for this channel <lazowik> popey: it's a hacker trying to take over the channel! <LLKCKfan> Not a hacker <lazowik> :( <lazowik> LLKCKfan: now, being serious, it's a channel about OS for smartphones and tablets <LLKCKfan> Does any1 know how to keep a wifi connection connect to an android? <lazowik> LLKCKfan: and OS being ubuntu, not android ;) <l4serb0y> hey all <popey> yo <l4serb0y> can I as a normal consumer install ubuntu on my phone <l4serb0y> I'm thinking of trying but it says on the page that it's just for developers and industry partners only <Jey0xBEAF> Hello all ! <Jey0xBEAF> Someone can tell me the process to solve the issue related to the /var/lib/dpkg/lock please ? <Jey0xBEAF> I know we can solve this by enter a command on the PC shell side when the phone is connected to it with usb cable <zastaph> is Ubuntu Touch the Ubuntu phone OS, and/or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch for Desktop Ubuntu ? <Home_> nhaines: thanks for letting me know, which one of the 2012 nexus 7's are more supported 16g or 32g wifi? <iBelieve> zastaph: Right now, Ubuntu Touch is
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