#ubuntu-kernel 2005-07-01 <zul> fabbione: you around? probably not.. <infinity> zul : He's taking a long weekend. <zul> yeah i figured that.. <zul> well im going to bed <infinity> 'Night. <mahmoud> hello...I'm recompiling the kernel to add support to the "perfctr" module...it builds and installs fine, but when it boots it complains about a missing "/lib/modules/2.6.10/modules.dep" although it's there...any idea? <fabbione> did i ever mention NOT to close the door of the office in the summer because the room OVERHEAT! <chmj> hahahaha <zul> no i dont think you did <chmj> yeah, never <zul> fabbione: oh yeah i start work tuesday <fabbione> cool <fabbione> congratulation <zul> so i have monday to relearn php <zul> thanks.. <zul> now you dont get to hear me whine anymore...well less <fabbione> don't even think to disappear you little tiny bastard :) <zul> i wouldnt do that to you :) <fabbione> good boy <fabbione> ;) <zul> :P <zul> i hanged out with jbailey-gcc on friday aswell <fabbione> ah nice <fabbione> did you get to do keysigning? <zul> nah..he had to go back to the gcc summit <zul> i had to go get drunk with some college friends <fabbione> well jeee it takes 1 minute to exchange fpr <zul> meh...we didnt think of it <chmj> yeah, beer does that to people <zul> actually it was vodka <chmj> same <chmj> hehehe <zul> fabbione: i stole a whole bunch of patches from head this week <fabbione> zul: i will look at them during the week <fabbione> i am back only to restore my server <fabbione> and i am seriously running away screaming from the pc' <fabbione> today <zul> im just testing them now they should be in my arch by the end of the day <zul> hehe <zul> no hurry <fabbione> i am off to unload the car while the RAID resync <fabbione> it failed once already and that's not good <zul> neato <zul> i probably wont be around much next weekend since its canada day #ubuntu-kernel 2005-07-02 <fabbione> morning <Mithrandir> hiya <Mithrandir> on a freshly-installed hoary box, I get a loadavg of 6.0 with a set of kernel threads stuck in D <Mithrandir> : tfheen@rho / > ps ax | grep D PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND 139 ? D 0:00 [khubd] 182 ? D 0:00 [kswapd1] 183 ? D 0:00 [kswapd0] 774 ? D 0:00 [kseriod] 953 ? D 0:00 [md1_raid1] 954 ? D 0:00 [md1_resync] <Mithrandir> argh, that was totally unreadable <Mithrandir> anyhow, khubd, kswapd1, kswapd0, kseriod, md1_raid1, md1_resync. <Mithrandir> anybody got any bright ideas why they're stuck and how I can get them to unstick themselves? Rebooting doesn't seem to help <fabbione> Mithrandir: what arch is that? <fabbione> it looks like there are disk I/O problems and the raid rsync dies <Mithrandir> amd64 <fabbione> raid sync <Mithrandir> /proc/mdstat seems happy <Mithrandir> hmm <fabbione> D 0:00 [md1_resync] <Mithrandir> raid1: raid set md0 active with 2 out of 2 mirrors <Mithrandir> hdd: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } <Mithrandir> hdd: packet command error: error=0x54 <fabbione> that can be a reason <fabbione> try to disable DMA, make it boot <fabbione> and see if it works <Mithrandir> hm, that's the CD-ROM. :-P <Mithrandir> this is a pure SATA box <fabbione> hmmmm <fabbione> can try using the SATA compatibility mode in the BIOS? <Mithrandir> it doesn't have one, afaik. <Mithrandir> this is a server, not a toy. :-) <fabbione> a real server uses SCSI <fabbione> not SATA :P <Mithrandir> http://err.no/tmp/dmesg is the dmesg <Mithrandir> SATA is the new SCSI <fabbione> a real server uses OLD and WORKING SCSI <fabbione> devfs_mk_dir: invalid argument.<4>devfs_mk_dev: could not append to parent for /disc <fabbione> wtf <Mithrandir> it uses LVM too. <fabbione> Stopping tasks: ===<6>md: md_do_sync() got signal ... exiting <fabbione> ==<6>md: checkpointing recovery of md1. <fabbione> = <Mithrandir> hmm <Mithrandir> so twiddling to get around that should fix it? <fabbione> what controller is that? <Mithrandir> sii3114 <fabbione> i am not sure.. but clearly the devfs_mk stuff is not normal <Mithrandir> fwiw, I see the same on a similar box which does not have the problem with load. <Mithrandir> hmm, I'll try rebooting it now that the raid is synced and such. <Mithrandir> ok, so _something_ funks up the resync <Mithrandir> I'm not sure what, but the reboot made it resync one of the raids <fabbione> is it still stucked? <Mithrandir> nope, but it resyncs the raid now. <Mithrandir> if you look at the previous dmesg, it does: <Mithrandir> Stopping tasks: ===<6>md: md_do_sync() got signal ... exiting <Mithrandir> ==<6>md: checkpointing recovery of md1. <Mithrandir> = stopping tasks failed (1 tasks remaining) <fabbione> yup <Mithrandir> while the last restart worked. <fabbione> hey jbailey <jbailey> Heya Fabio! <fabbione> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12040 <fabbione> jbailey: unfortunatly it is an initrd-tools problem <fabbione> i am going to add info on it, but we need it fixed asap <jbailey> fabbione: I don't have enough info here to see what the problem is.... <jbailey> Is it the usual round of glibc fuckage? <fabbione> i just added them :) <fabbione> nope.. * jbailey reloads <jbailey> Sure, this is just another driver alias thing. <fabbione> jbailey: remember that the megaraid still remains.. <fabbione> the driver has been splitted in 2 <fabbione> old and new... <fabbione> but i dunno how to fix that in mkinitrd <jbailey> There's a massive sed table in /usr/sbin/mkinitrd <Mithrandir> fabbione: I need to see if I can reproduce this problem, but it went away after the fully-synced system had booted. <fabbione> jbailey: yes, but this is not a rename or an alias <fabbione> Mithrandir: it's rather strange because i do usually test installs on raid <Mithrandir> fabbione: and LVM? <fabbione> yup <jbailey> fabbione: Oh, sorry, I see. <Mithrandir> fabbione: hmm, anyhow, I'll see if I can reproduce it <fabbione> Mithrandir: i do all kind of stuff here :P <jbailey> Sorry, I thought you mean megaraid for old kernels and megaraid_mbox for new ones. <fabbione> Mithrandir: lvm is not related to that <jbailey> I'm still sleepy. =) <fabbione> jbailey: ehehe no <fabbione> we splitted the driver <fabbione> so that all the cool stuff is from the new one <fabbione> the only 2 old controllers are supported by the old one <fabbione> (since the new one doesn't) <jbailey> Should I just modprobe the new one first and the old one second? <fabbione> jbailey: that would be fine.. yes <fabbione> we also have a test box... <jbailey> Lovely. <fabbione> so if you want we can test the fix <jbailey> When I've cleared the cobwebs out of my head, I'll make a test package. <jbailey> Was up very late for a city-wide party last night. <fabbione> ehhe <fabbione> it's enough you give me the modified mkinitrd file <fabbione> we can package it later :) <zul> jeua <zul> doh...heya <zul> fabbione: when you get around to it can you do a merge kthxbye <fabbione> zul: fix your archive. kthxbye <fabbione> baz abrowse ramirezanna@example.org <fabbione> ^^stall <zul> fudge <dilinger> i have serious slowdowns switching between workspaces in hoary's X. not sure if this is xorg or kernel being crap :( <dilinger> fabbione: ubuntu-kernel list <dilinger> Subject: [ramirezanna@example.org: Re: qlogic] <fabbione> dilinger: yes.. we just started compiling it again <fabbione> it's in the vanilla kernel <dilinger> fabbione: it's not actually distributable <fabbione> it might not be DFSG free... <dilinger> http://wiki.debian.net/?KernelFirmwareLicensing <dilinger> (i need to update that wrt to qlogic, but i've talked to their lawyers a bunch, and they're going to dual license the firmware.. gpl/bsd) <fabbione> dilinger: well the point is simple <fabbione> there are some kernel developers that are making real crusades towards non GPL code <fabbione> so if it is still there, i think it's usable <dilinger> no <dilinger> this is a different matter <dilinger> this is GPL'd firmware <dilinger> the GPL defines source as "preferred form for modification" <fabbione> is the firware within the kernel? <dilinger> which binary firmware is not <dilinger> yes <dilinger> qla2300_fw.c <dilinger> and friends <dilinger> that's why we strip it out of the kernel <dilinger> along w/ tg3 <dilinger> and a few other drivers <dilinger> tg3 is cleared up in 2.6.12; we worked w/ broadcom <dilinger> we're working w/ qlogic, and qla2xxx should be good to go soon <dilinger> the other 6 drivers we strip are looking hopeless <dilinger> but they <fabbione> well i am already shipping them.. <dilinger> 're not as widely used <fabbione> tg3/qla <dilinger> ok, well.. <fabbione> also the drm stuff <dilinger> drm? <fabbione> mga (drivers/char/drm): <fabbione> ^^drm <dilinger> ok, that's fine <dilinger> that's a different issue <dilinger> DFSG-compatibility is the reason why that's listed there <fabbione> anyway.. i will look at it again another day <fabbione> i am way too tired to think about licence and firmwares <dilinger> this isn't about DFSG-ness, this is about undistributable code <dilinger> ok <fabbione> they should all just die <dilinger> 'night <dilinger> heh <fabbione> :) #ubuntu-kernel 2005-07-03 <zul> gday <fabbione> morning <chmj> morning <fabbione> zul: the external-drivers-net-usb_zd1211 is broken <fabbione> zul: the external-drivers-net-usb_zd1211 was broken <zul> fabbione: ok...you didnt include any patches that i stole from git? <fabbione> zul: no. because they are all pending in 6014050377 <zul> ah ok <fabbione> i am fighiting with alsa now.. because it breaks <zul> what breaks? <fabbione> docbook creation. there was a wrong macro in include/sound/pcm.h <fabbione> already fixed.. but it requires a full rebuild for testing <fabbione> food <fabbione> :) <zul> ok dont know if im going to be around much today...first day of work <fabbione> zul: have fun <fabbione> i am going to upload the kernel and do some gardening afterwards <zul> gardening?! hehe <fabbione> the emperor^W^Wmy wife decided that she doesn't like elephant grass <chmj> I'm trying not to ask what elephant grass is/looks like <fabbione> bamboo <chmj> oh, no such think in za :) <chmj> s/think/thing/ <jbailey> <abentley> jbailey: any idea why the standard Ubuntu kernels don't include the intel8x0m module? <jbailey> <jbailey> abentley: The 'm' is the modem module, right? I think there's an alsa driver that's supposed to cover for that instead. <jbailey> ANything else I should add? <fabbione> it's there by default <fabbione> if he wants the oss version he needs to do some magic <fabbione> snd-intel8x0.ko and snd-intel8x0m.ko <fabbione> the latter is the modem support <fabbione> for audio he wants the first one <jbailey> Yeah, it's the modem he wants, thanks. * ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:fabbione] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelTeam | There are no kernel bugs.. only broken hardware | http://ramirezanna@example.org/ playground: kernel-debian--preX,3--2.6.12 <fabbione> (it's not there yet.. it will be in a few minutes) <jbailey> Bah, I need to install topicdiff again. <fabbione> changed the playground and removed the baz thingy <fabbione> ok last commit signed.. i am off <fabbione> later <zul|work> hey #ubuntu-kernel 2005-07-04 <fabbione> morning <chmj> morning <fabbione> hey chmj <chmj> fabbione: any crack ? <fabbione> chmj: ? <chmj> fabbione: non-userland todo, that I can handle ? <fabbione> chmj: fix all the bugs in bugzilla <chmj> fabbione: heh, ok <fabbione> there is stuff but it's not easy and it needs you to build on all arches <fabbione> if you can do some bug triage it would be very good <chmj> ok <chmj> I'll have a look <fabbione> cool <fabbione> GO DPATCH ! <fabbione> IT'S YOUR BIRTHDAY! <chmj> fabbione: ? <fabbione> chmj: they changed dpatch-edit in the last version <fabbione> it can't be used for kernel anymore <chmj> oh <fabbione> OMFG! <fabbione> 3 copies of the same source to make a PATCH! <chmj> oh my <fabbione> dpatch-edit-patch: * Copying /usr/src/wartydevel/kernel/breezy/linux-source-2.6.12-2.6.12 to reference directory. <fabbione> dpatch-edit-patch: * Copying reference directory /usr/src/dpatchtemp/dpep-ref.8xrjTj/linux-source-2.6.12-2.6.12 to work directory. <fabbione> + the original <fabbione> for one patch <fabbione> hmmm there is a solution... <fabbione> that's cleaning how we handle 00list * fabbione thinks <fabbione> this debian/rules is a mess <fabbione> thom: ping? <thom> fabbione: hi <fabbione> hey thom <fabbione> thom: 34.3 release.. do you mind to commit to baz the work you have done? <fabbione> both in pre34.3 and tags.. <thom> ack, sorry <fabbione> thom: no problem :) <fabbione> i need to look at the patches.. since somebody is claiming regressions on i386? <thom> don't see how, since they both only touch code under arch/x86_64 <fabbione> i know :) <thom> * committed ramirezanna@example.org/kernel-debian--pre34,3--2.6.10--patch-2 <fabbione> danke <thom> oh, and: <thom> * creating version ramirezanna@example.org/kernel-debian--mainline-2,6,10-34,3--0 <fabbione> cool <fabbione> did you also merge in mainline? <thom> eh? i branched the pre to the mainline <fabbione> kernel-debian--mainline--2.6.10 <fabbione> yes lamont did an extra branch were we merge the releases... <fabbione> basically the flow is: <fabbione> pre merge's into kernel-debian--mainline--2.6.10 <fabbione> kernel-debian--mainline--2.6.10 branch to tag and to new pre <fabbione> but any combination of the above is valid :) <fabbione> don't ask me why lamont did it this way :) <fabbione> i was VAC when they started using baz :P <thom> how amazingly fucking weird <fabbione> probably it helps baz to find the best merge point <fabbione> not sure tho <fabbione> i had that kind of issues before <zul> heylo <jbailey> zul: Slacking off at the new job already? * jbailey hides. * zul smacks jbailey <zul> god this connection sucks <zul> they are suppose to be putting fiber in the building this week <jbailey> fiber gives you the runs. <jbailey> err.. <jbailey> makes you run faster. <zul> meh.. <zul> b.c boy...how was the drive back to toronto <jbailey> uneventful. <jbailey> We detoured through the diefenbunked, back to Ottawa for food and then drove here. <zul> cool...ill be gong to diefenbunker one day <jbailey> The drive was pretty even the whole way. Carlos and Kristine were geocaching, so we stopped pretty frequently. <jbailey> It's a hella-cool trip. <jbailey> If I come up to OLS with Angie, perhaps you can join us. <Lathiat> hehe geocaching <zul> sure..i dont think that would be a problem.. * jbailey blinks <jbailey> Ingen slik fil eller filkatalog <jbailey> I'm guessing that's norweigian. * jbailey sets his LANG variable. <Mithrandir> jbailey: yeah, it is. <Mithrandir> "No such file or directory" <zul> hey lamont <lamont> morning zul <fabbione> hey zul <zul> hey fabbione how goes it/ <fabbione> zul: good.. i am relaxing.. <fabbione> tomorrow I need to do a lot of cleanup in the kernel <zul> good...did you finish your gardening? <fabbione> our debian/rules isn't exatly happy with the latest dpatch <fabbione> zul: no... <fabbione> that will never end ;) <zul> heh...i know <zul> what did you break now? ;) <fabbione> i didn't break anything <zul> sure sure :) <fabbione> it's the way dpatch-edit works that is changed <fabbione> and it makes problem with the patch order <zul> frig #ubuntu-kernel 2005-07-05 <fabbione> morning <lamont> g'night <jbailey> g'm all <fabbione> hey jbailey <JaneW> hi jbailey <fabbione> we found the sparc kernel problem! <fabbione> look at your inbox ;) <jbailey> Nice catch. That's... not where I would've expected the problem to be. =) <jbailey> JaneW: Doing some kernel hacking today? =) <JaneW> jbailey: yeah ;) <jbailey> Excellent! <JaneW> heh <fabbione> jbailey: i think i started tickling BenC again :) <fabbione> this time it was him searching for me ;) <jbailey> Cool. <jbailey> I'm trying to figure out if I'm brave enough to ask him for decent sparc hardware. <jbailey> He mentioned before he knew some people at sun who might sponsor such things. <fabbione> just do it <fabbione> if so ask for me too :) <fabbione> or i can ask for both of us <fabbione> (he is idle now) <jbailey> Sure. =) <jbailey> Oy, Fabio. Is 2.6.13 goes gold in the next week, are you bumping, or are you sticking with 2.6.12 for sure? <fabbione> we still have a few days for UVF <fabbione> but i doubt it will go gold that fast <fabbione> i saw too many patches going in -git for .13 to be gold in less than a month <jbailey> Hmm, getting the new udev in before UVF will be fun. *sigh* <jbailey> Heya Chuck. <zul> Hey Jeff how goes it? <jbailey> I'm doing very well. <zul> good <jbailey> Et tu? <zul> good...kind of hot though <jbailey> Yeah, I suspect we'll need to add A/C to our list of appliances to buy in Montral. <jbailey> This move is getting expensive. <zul> hehe.. <jbailey> What's it like in the big O? <zul> the stadium? never been there..;) <zul> right now...since its canada day tomorrow its pretty quiet <jbailey> I should get to Ottawa for Canada day one time. Maybe next year. <jbailey> I imagine the train from Montral to Ottawa should be cheap. <zul> tomorrow downtown its going to be crazy so most naturalized residents avoid it :) <jbailey> A wild outgoing guy like you? I'd have expected to see you swinging naked from the trees... * jbailey hides. <zul> hmmm...yeah...bastard <zul> i done all the wild stuff when i was a kid <fabbione> hey zul <zul> hey fabbione <zul> grrr <zul> hmmm...gentoo has a speakup patch for 2.6.12 * TheMuso must check out CVS. <TheMuso> I believe someone at Gentoo was helping the primary author of Speakup work on it. <zul> yeah he was <TheMuso> Last I checked, the new code wasn't in CVS yet. <TheMuso> And it looks like CVS access is down atm. <TheMuso> Argh. Stuff that. * TheMuso goes hunting for the speakup patch in his local Gentoo Portage mirror. <TheMuso> s/local/nearest/ <TheMuso> zul: Where did you find it? <zul> dev.gentoo.org/~dsd <TheMuso> Tah. * TheMuso seems to be going round in circles. <TheMuso> zul: Have you tried it yet? <zul> nope...going to try this weekend when im not working <TheMuso> Fair enough. Downloading vanilla kernel now to see if they patch against it. Then I will try a breezy kernel. <TheMuso> BTW I have written a modules file to go in the d-i/$arch subdirs for creating a speakup-modules udeb if you are interested. <jbailey> fabbione: Did Ben ever reply? <jbailey> Or did my name sink it into a black hole? =) <fabbione> jbailey: the latter... <zul> mental note...mozilla sucks <dilinger> always has, always will <jbailey> ANyone object if my summer of code student does his firewall work in this channel? <chmj> firewall work ? <jbailey> Yeah, he's tackling the firewall bounty. <jbailey> I find ubuntu-devel too noisy to get much done in, so if the kernel folks here find it relevent enough, I'd like him to work in here. <chmj> I don't object :) <Mithrandir> can we throw mentos at him (or her)? <jbailey> (or trans) <jbailey> I assume so. <jbailey> Wouldn't it be discrimination not to? <jbailey> I was told to make the student feel part of the community. =) <Mithrandir> yay! * Mithrandir loads up a big mentos cluster <jbailey> (s)he*'s in .de, so you won't even have to correct that much for accurate use of a trebuchet. <chmj> hehehe <zul> i prefer cricket bats <zul> anyone know of a good oog vorbis player? <jbailey> xmms? <zul> it can do oog? <dilinger> oog? <dilinger> you mean ogg? <zul> yeah <zul> php is blowing my brain <jbailey> Yes, xmms does ogg <dilinger> you might find better results if you apt-cache search for ogg instead of oog :P <zul> :P <dilinger> xmms, totem, xine, gstreamer, muine, rhythmbox.. <zul> im on suse <Mithrandir> you might want to switch the type of crack you're smoking too, since it appears to affect your brain so much. <dilinger> i'd recommend anything gst or xine based * jbailey wishes gst would either work or die. <jbailey> This half baked state on !i386 just kills me. <Mithrandir> I wish concordia had a -fullturbo switch. <dilinger> jbailey: you should start hacking it for !i386 <dilinger> when i had my tibook, i used to fix endian issues in gst <dilinger> but now i don't have any !i386 desktop hardware <dilinger> if only someone would send me some ppc64 stuff.. * dilinger coughs <Mithrandir> amd64s are cheap <dilinger> Mithrandir: i suppose <jbailey> Mithrandir: They're still ~500CAD <Mithrandir> jbailey: I just love it when people throw their random ramirezanna@example.org. :P <Mithrandir> what's that in some sensible currency? <jbailey> About the same as AUD. =) <jbailey> A little higher than the number would be in EUR, about twice would it would be in GBP <Mithrandir> for a full system? * dilinger showers Mithrandir with sucres <Mithrandir> heh <Mithrandir> I wish the dualcores would become a tad less expensive. <jbailey> No, that's for mobo, cpu and ram. * jbailey shuts down for a scheduled power outage. <Mithrandir> it's more like 350-ish AUD here. <jbailey> fabbione: I need to figure out which modules to load into the initrd. <jbailey> err, initramfs <jbailey> the best heuristic that I've seen so far gives me 30 megs of modules, which seems a bit excessive. <fabbione> eh? <jbailey> Do you have a recommendation? Should I just make a list of the modules that are there in 2.6.12 and add more if people bitch that some are missing? <fabbione> jbailey: can you send me this list so we can look at it together? <fabbione> adding 13MB of modules is like adding all the kernel or almost <jbailey> The kernel includes 67 megs of modules. <fabbione> brb... i need a nature break and we can look at it :) <fabbione> re <jbailey> Should I /msg you the list of the directories I'm copying now, or paste it here for general consumption? <fabbione> jbailey: past in here the main dirs.. <fabbione> no need of the single module detail <jbailey> copy_modules_dir kernel/drivers/net <jbailey> copy_modules_dir kernel/drivers/scsi <jbailey> copy_modules_dir kernel/drivers/ide <jbailey> copy_modules_dir kernel/drivers/md <jbailey> copy_modules_dir kernel/drivers/usb <jbailey> copy_modules_dir kernel/drivers/block <jbailey> copy_modules_dir kernel/drivers/input <jbailey> copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/ext2 <jbailey> copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/ext3 <jbailey> copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/isofs <jbailey> copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/jbd <jbailey> copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/jfs <jbailey> copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/nfs <jbailey> copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/reiserfs <jbailey> copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/xfs <jbailey> Because that doesn't catch all of the dependancies, I then do a further check to make sure I get all the dependancies of the following modules: <jbailey> for x in mbcache nfs af_packet raid1 ide-cd ide-disk ide-generic; do <fabbione> mbcache is used only by ext2/ext3 <zul> meh...i think im going to knock off early today <jbailey> zul: slacker. <zul> shut it <zul> later * jbailey ties zul down so that his 'it' can be shut.. <jbailey> Doh, missed him. <jbailey> fabbione: What I'm wondering is if the whole lot of it should be a list of drivers that get included by default in the initramfs rather than this method. <jbailey> This brings in all the ARCnet crap, slip, etc, etc... <jbailey> Just piles of stuff that I"m failure convinced aren't needed. <fabbione> yes.. we need a more fine graned list <jbailey> Shall I make a wiki page with a list that we can prune down or add to? <fabbione> and we can look at kernel-wedge algo to calculate dependencies and pull in modules as required <fabbione> jbailey: iirc you asked me to create the initramfs directly from the kernel package <fabbione> i suggest we start to work out directly how to do it and add the list in baz <jbailey> Yup, I'd like that eventually. <jbailey> For now I thought we could start the list here since I already have module deps taken care of. <jbailey> THen transfer the magic over to the kernel. <jbailey> My package has the nice side effect so far that it's not in heavy use. <fabbione> well let's do it directly into the kernel.. there is only a month or so for feature freeze <fabbione> and these kind of changes are expensive to do <fabbione> jbailey: just remember to set your umask properly on rookery if you commit to baz directly :) <fabbione> (and i don't mind you to do so) #ubuntu-kernel 2005-07-06 <fabbione> morning <lamont> morning fabbione <lamont> 2.6.12 kernel from breezy is trying to build on hppa, btw. <lamont> I figure another 2 hours or so and it'll have an answer <fabbione> lamont: cool <fabbione> it might fail creating udebs <fabbione> all the last changes i did to it were quite complex <fabbione> if it fails can you please put the log somewhere? <lamont> it's actually on a machine that I won't have access to until later... (at the office) <fabbione> oh sure.. i am not going to play with the kernel until monday anyway <fabbione> i really need to do something different once in a while <fabbione> and i am working on partman-auto-lvm <fabbione> the sparc buildd's are idling :) * fabbione does the universe give-back of death <fabbione> most of the FTBFS are due to stuff that needs X love or bootstrapping.. <fabbione> lamont: did you finish to setup logs@ with elmo? <fabbione> uh let's fix OO2 FTBFS <lamont> fabbione: it looks like logs@is pretty close - I'll try to be up early tomorrow morning to finish it with him. <fabbione> why is it so complex? <fabbione> it tought it was a couple of .procmail rules to change <lamont> fwiw, I'm on holiday tomorrow, have someone delivering furniture sometime (which I need to prepare for), and heading off for friday/sat to colsprings <fabbione> oh net :) <fabbione> nea <fabbione> ARGH <fabbione> neat <karlheg> jbailey, Hello. <karlheg> jbailey, About to pull the update. <karlheg> bzr error message: error: docs/example_hook is already versioned <karlheg> I wonder if I sent everything, or what? <karlheg> I don't understand what the .moved files are. <lamont> fabbione: either I have line-length issues (shouldn't) - but may well, or something lin hppa's linux-source-2.6.12 upload is new. <lamont> (it built successfully) <lamont> hrm... I'm betting I have line length issues on that machine... <fabbione> no <fabbione> it's mostlikely one of the new udebs <fabbione> i am pretty sure it's in the big changelog of death <fabbione> but i need to go out now.. <fabbione> if you can't find it i will look at it <lamont> fabbione: actually, I'm 99% certain I didn't fix take the steps needed to prevent the line-length issues there... so there may be new udebs, but I doubt it ever got uploaded * lamont tries to decide if he cares about linux-source-2.6.10 for hppa... #ubuntu-kernel 2005-07-07 <desrt> fabbione; more linux-headers issues <fabbione> desrt: i am sure as soon as i will fix the first issue, all the others will be in a chain <desrt> fabbione; ya. i imagine so :) #ubuntu-kernel 2005-07-08 <zul> heylo <crimsun> yes? #ubuntu-kernel 2005-07-09 <fabbione> hey crimsun <fabbione> hey chmj <fabbione> crimsun: happy with alsa 1.0.9 in the kernel? <crimsun> hey fabbione :) <chmj> hey fabbione <chmj> hey crimsun <crimsun> hi chmj! <crimsun> fabbione, it's loads better than 1.0.6 =) <fabbione> good :) <crimsun> :) Thanks for updating. <fabbione> no problem.. hopefully :) <crimsun> :) <zul> hey <fabbione> hey zul <fabbione> your server is down? <fabbione> i couldn't sync from baz <zul> dont worry about it..nothing in there, i didnt do anything this week <fabbione> yeah, but i can't merge nothing if the server is down <fabbione> not even l-n-s-m <zul> gimme a sec.. <fabbione> take your time... <fabbione> i am going to merge tomorrow anyway... i burned the morning now :/ <zul> hehe <zul> should be good now <zul> back to php...yay! <fabbione> ahha <fabbione> thx <zul> noprobs i been slacking off this week but ill be back for preX,4 <fabbione> no rush dude <fabbione> hey JaneW <fabbione> i was just thinking about you <fabbione> i need a name ;) <fabbione> The "Jane's flying back home" release. <fabbione> was going in very soon ;) <JaneW> fabbione: heh <chmj> hey JaneW <JaneW> hey chmj * JaneW is here with kids ;) <JaneW> fabbione: Obtuse Oats <fabbione> JaneW: thanks.. done :) * ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:fabbione] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelTeam | There are no kernel bugs.. only broken hardware | http://ramirezanna@example.org/ playground: kernel-debian--preX,3--2.6.12 | 3.3 uploaded. no new branches until tomorrow. <zul> yay...i made my first commit to the ramirezanna@example.org... <fabbione> eheh <fabbione> how much did you break? <zul> at first? a couple of things..:) <chmj> and then ? <zul> and then...a couple of more things until i beated it into submission <fabbione> ehehhe <zul> kind of like what i do for ubuntu stuff <fabbione> ok.. i am off for today <fabbione> cya tomorrow guys <zul> toodles <HiddenWolf> Does anyone here know if the lirc modules are inside the ubuntu kernel? <HiddenWolf> crimsun, do you know? <`crimsun> erm, I have no context, so forgive me if I don't know what you're asking <HiddenWolf> I was asking if the lirc modules should be in the ubuntu kernel. <`crimsun> for Warty, Hoary, or Breezy? <HiddenWolf> Hoary <HiddenWolf> I'll upgrade to Breezy if they're there tho. :) <`crimsun> I see nothing in amd64's generic config on Hoary that leads me to believe they're included <HiddenWolf> Would it be a problem to include them? <HiddenWolf> at least in breezy? <`crimsun> well, they won't go into Hoary since it's frozen * HiddenWolf just got a remote, and isn't a big fan of kernel recompiles <`crimsun> what version are you looking at? <`crimsun> note that there's version 156.14.161.142-1ubuntu1 of lirc-modules-source in hoary/universe <HiddenWolf> I haven't installed those yet. <`crimsun> you should be able to compile it if you have build-essential, module-assistant, and linux-headers-$(uname -r) installed <`crimsun> you don't need to recompile the kernel to add lirc support. Just compile the kernel modules externally using the above method. <HiddenWolf> yeah, that's my piont. I don't enjoy installing all that build-etc stuff. :( <`crimsun> if you have additional questions, let's move this to #ubuntu <HiddenWolf> my question was, would it be possible to consider it to build them by default? <`crimsun> if you can verify they'll build using just those config changes in the current one, I think it's possible. It's not my call, however. <`crimsun> make sure you read the topic here. <HiddenWolf> crimsun, so if I decide to build them, can you give me a step by step rundown? haven't done a build in years... * HiddenWolf switches to #ubuntu <HiddenWolf> Can I beg anyone's help here? :S #ubuntu-kernel 2005-07-10 <fabbione> morning <ogra> fabbione, ping <fabbione> ogra: pong? <ogra> looks like i have to run a firewall on the ltsp server for edubuntu :-/ do we have any uml capable kernel image ? <fabbione> no <ogra> or do you think xen will be alternatively ready for breezy <fabbione> probably... <ogra> i thought about a chroot jail, but that wont help for a firewall <fabbione> xen is up for google atm <ogra> s i'll need a extra vm... <ogra> s/s/so <fabbione> and how do you think xen/uml will help you? <fabbione> what is exactly the problem <ogra> dont i run a independent kernel instance with them ? <fabbione> yes, but what is the problem you need to address exactly <ogra> i dont want to run the FW on the server directly.... if i set netfilter option in a chroot they will affect the host too, or am i wrong ? <fabbione> wrong <fabbione> xen or uml won't help you at all <ogra> oh... i though it would... <fabbione> i don't understand why do you want to run netfilter in a chroot... <fabbione> netfilter or iptables is kernel stuff <fabbione> you want to run it as soon as possible <ogra> to have it separated from the server.... its a school environment.. so if someone hacks the FW he shouldnt have any access to the server processes.... <fabbione> does need to run on the same machine? <ogra> but mark requires me to run both on one machine <ogra> yes <ogra> :/ <fabbione> amen <fabbione> let me think one second <fabbione> how many network cards do you have? <ogra> two i guess <ogra> i could make 3 a requirement if that helps... <fabbione> i am thinking :) <ogra> :) <fabbione> 2 are enough.... <fabbione> and you can use xen <ogra> great :) <fabbione> but the setup is NOT tricky <ogra> you mentor it, right ? <fabbione> i am mentoring xen, but only for the packaging <fabbione> not for these kind of weird setups :) <ogra> i have to make only one default setup... its unlikely that anybody will touch it... the firts edubuntu shall be a out of the box solution <ogra> but additional HW is a "no go" :/ <fabbione> i am not 100% sure 2 cards are enough tho <ogra> can you use aliases across the kernel/xen envionments ? <ogra> (alias interfaces that is) <fabbione> the problem i think is: <fabbione> (or are) <fabbione> - FW needs 2 interfaces <ogra> yep <fabbione> - Server needs one interface * fabbione attempts to think... <fabbione> are there any users allowed to login on the server other than the admin? <ogra> nope... <fabbione> probably.. what you can do is: <ogra> all users are locked in the ltsp envionment... only the NFS roots are accessible <fabbione> btw.. do you know how xen works? <ogra> nope <fabbione> or do i need to explain? <fabbione> ok <fabbione> basically it works this way.. <ogra> its a additional VM as far as i understood it <fabbione> - you boot the real machine with a kernel called dom0 <fabbione> such a kernel is the one that access the real hw <fabbione> and it exports it via an internal backplane to the guests <fabbione> - each guest boots its own kernel called domU <fabbione> that access virtual disks/net interfaces via the backplane <ogra> ok, so i'll need two guests then.. 1. ltsp server 2. firewall... <fabbione> yes.. but the problem is how to share the hw <fabbione> because a FW needs 2 interfaces <ogra> i'm fine with a 3 netcard requirement... <fabbione> the server needs one (real to run dhcp) <fabbione> the FW needs at least one real <fabbione> probably... <fabbione> what you can do is: <fabbione> run the host without real cards <fabbione> configure the guests to run a dom0 kernel and use one virtual interface towards the host and one real card towards the world <fabbione> at that point... <fabbione> the FW real card goes towards internet <fabbione> the FW virtual interface towards the host <fabbione> the host will bridge with the Server <fabbione> (they will feel like on the same LAN <fabbione> s/feel/look) <fabbione> the Server uses the virtual interface towards the host to talk with the firewall <ogra> hmm, so i could even build a little DMZ ? sounds cool <fabbione> ogra: exactly <ogra> wow, xen is cool <fabbione> the DMZ will be a virtual lan running inside the host <fabbione> the real interface of the server will go towards the internal lan <fabbione> now what i am afraid of is: <fabbione> - how to partition the hw so that iface X is associate with xen guest X <fabbione> (i know it can be done, but i never tried it) <fabbione> - you will need a spectacular amount of netfilters running on FW, host and Server <ogra> its my job to find hat out... :) <fabbione> - access to the host for admin purpose might be a problem if server goes down <fabbione> ogra: in any case.. do you realize that with this setup: <fabbione> a) you are going to lose performance on each single "machine" <fabbione> b) you triplicate the amount of maintainance (if not more) <ogra> hum.... thats not good <fabbione> c) you will still need to run netfilter/iptables on all 3 the machines? <ogra> thats no problem <fabbione> xen adds overhead.. in many directions <fabbione> i can't think of anything simpler with that requirements <ogra> performance loss is very bad for ltsp.... <fabbione> but imho... if you just use something like: <fabbione> iptables -t filter -F INPUT <fabbione> iptables -t filter -P INPUT DROP <fabbione> iptables -t filter -A INPUT -j ACCEPT -d 6014050377 -m state --state ESTABLISHE <fabbione> D,RELATED <fabbione> you basically closed the machine from the outside <fabbione> and you can still navigate from the inside <fabbione> that rule (or a similar one) will just close * <ogra> yep <fabbione> imho all the xen mess is not worth... <fabbione> but well... <ogra> my main concern is to run both on one HW... since the FW has to do transparent proxying.... <fabbione> you will also need to test the above setup... <fabbione> yeah but transparent proxy is not an issue <fabbione> you still don't need to listen with services on the outside interface <ogra> yep... <ogra> but from the inside i need a GW to put the content filter on... having both on one machine hurts my stomach <fabbione> ok.. but my question is.. is it only your stomach or a specific requirement for the specs? <ogra> but your explanation shows that xen/uml seems not to be a good way around if i loose performance <fabbione> you lose performance.. <fabbione> you are adding: <ogra> the requirement is to have transparent proxing for parental control without having additional HW <fabbione> - vm overhead <fabbione> - 2 extra hops in the network <ogra> i dont care about extra hops <fabbione> - removing memory (due to partitioning) from one server <ogra> thats the worst <fabbione> - using the internal backplane to share hw <fabbione> i mean.. the backplane is fast <fabbione> but it is still overhead <fabbione> and the main issue is the RAM really <ogra> loosing memory in a ltsp environment is a vry bad thing <ogra> every byte is speed there <fabbione> the issue is that xen needs to know how much ram you assign to each domain <fabbione> (including the host) <fabbione> the host doesn't need much <ogra> a FW probably doesnt need mor the 64MB either <ogra> more then <fabbione> like 256MB would do <fabbione> the FW at least 128MB <fabbione> the Server all the rest <ogra> heh... the server will be somewhere in the GB area..... 4GB are common <fabbione> + an extra 64Mb hidden by xen management <ogra> (for a 20-30 client setup) <fabbione> you know that our kernel needs to be recompiled on x86 machines with more than 4GB? <fabbione> anyway.. <fabbione> you will still need to test that all the above will ever work <ogra> i think we dont have mainboards yet that support moe then 4GB on single x86, do we ? <fabbione> probably not on home pc <ogra> yes, i know ... <fabbione> i am pretty sure they do on servers <ogra> hmm, 32bit on a single CPU can handle more then 4GB ? <ogra> i didnt know that <fabbione> in terms of disk space.. the FW/HOST don't need more than 1G each <fabbione> the rest can go to server <ogra> disk space is cheap and not an issue <fabbione> ogra: there is an option to extend that to 64GB <ogra> woah... <fabbione> but it's disabled because it adds overhead <fabbione> the limit for a single process is still 4GB <ogra> might becoman an option for edubuntu.... <ogra> become an <fabbione> yes, that means an extra edubuntu kernel :) <fabbione> ( i need a smoke.. brb ) <ogra> it could be that i need a own kernel anyway... finally you got me in the kernel usiness then :) <fabbione> ahah welcome to pleasure of pain <ogra> heh <chmj> and suffering <zul> hola <chmj> fabbione: do you know if concordia is down ? <fabbione> chmj: nope.. i didn't login since yesterday <fabbione> hey zul <chmj> seems to be <fabbione> concordia.ubuntu.com 6014050377] 22 (ssh) : No route to host <fabbione> it is <fabbione> hey jbailey <fabbione> hey JaneW <JaneW> hi fabbione <jbailey> Heya Fabio <jbailey> I guess this means the move was successful. <jbailey> 'net just got installed. <jbailey> Now I just need to buy a fridge and stove.. <fabbione> cool <fabbione> congratulation <fabbione> see i have an extra fridge here.... <fabbione> and an extra stove <fabbione> jbailey: you moved to the wrong place * ogra sees JaneW around... does this meen we get a new nutty kernel again ? <ogra> mean even <JaneW> ogra: hi - I am at a conf, but just found wireless access, so I couldn;t resist hopping on... <ogra> hehe <ogra> addicted <zul> welcome to waa...wirleess addicts annoymous <ogra> heh <JaneW> zul: thanks ;) <fabbione> ehhe <jbailey> fabbione: Well, whether it's right or it's wrong, I'm sure as hell not doing that again soon. <fabbione> ahhaha <fabbione> jbailey: i did it so many times that i don't even want to think to move <fabbione> if not for the tax rates :) <jbailey> This is the first time that I've moved a whole house to another province. <jbailey> When we moved to Toronto we got rid of all of our stuff first. <fabbione> eh... <fabbione> i still have some stuff in italy <fabbione> sooner or later i will need to rent a little truck and do the ride again <fabbione> 2400KM brrrr.... <fabbione> actually a bit more.. <fabbione> but well <jbailey> Ouch. <fabbione> around that line <jbailey> This was at least only like 600-700km <fabbione> jbailey: when i moved to dk, i loaded my father's car and drove alone for 2 days.... <jbailey> And sais hi. =) <fabbione> jbailey: basically the passenger seat had 4 bags with all the normal life stuff <jbailey> Angie, rather. <fabbione> the rest was computer equipment :) <fabbione> hi Angie! <jbailey> *lol* <fabbione> it took me around 24 hours of pure driving <jbailey> I have to go back to Toronto this month to pick up my SGI, my Alpha and my Itanium. <jbailey> There just wasn't room. <fabbione> + i got lost on the german motorway <fabbione> that added another good hour * jbailey blinks <jbailey> Is Germany between Italy and Denmark? <fabbione> yeah as well as swiss/austria <fabbione> italy -> {swiss,austria} -> germany -> dk <fabbione> i got lost after the austria's border line <fabbione> because the indication sucked <fabbione> and ended up in the wrong direction <ogra> fabbione, you cant get lost on german motorways, thats a rumor ;) <ogra> *g* <fabbione> ogra: not when you pretend to have a city called "Aschufart" that's not on any of the maps <ogra> lol * ogra wipes the laughing tears from his eyes.... <fabbione> ogra: only in germany you write "exit" at the motorway exit, instead of the name of the place it takes you <ogra> Ausfahrt is german for exit.... :) <fabbione> so it took me a little while to realize that there can't be a city called "exit" longer than 50km <ogra> heh <ogra> but at least you saw something of germany despite the motorway :) <fabbione> yeah an extra gas station <chmj> fabbione: ping <fabbione> chmj: yes? <chmj> problems <chmj> hold on, I'm uploading dmesg output <chmj> fabbione: ipw2100 failed after I dist-upgraded <chmj> http://people.ubuntu.com/~charles/dmesglog <chmj> erm, I can't execute anything from bash, just hangs the kernel <fabbione> chmj: known bug.. <fabbione> fix upstream.. kthxbye <chmj> hmmm <zul> jbailey: if you want you can leave your SGI, Alpha, and Itanium in ottawa ;) <fabbione> but given that you have an ipw2100, you can test a kernel for me <fabbione> when i will have the time to do a test build :) <chmj> ok, for some reason, every process ends with this : Killed by signal 1. <chmj> on this kernel : Linux darklord 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux <chmj> this is all after dist-upgrade <fabbione> that's only ssh <fabbione> not every process <fabbione> known bug that one too <fabbione> oh <fabbione> no <fabbione> hmmmm <fabbione> i am not sure you can actually use .10 in breezy anymore <chmj> oh yes, scp + ssh <fabbione> are you sure it's all processes? <fabbione> ah ok <fabbione> tsk <fabbione> as above.. ssh problem <chmj> I use .10 on breezy, works better than .12 :( <chmj> .12 just hangs :( <fabbione> chmj: you are part of the kernel-team.. testing/patches/bugfixes are welcome ;) <fabbione> chmj: it hangs only on ipw2100... <fabbione> that is yet another piece of external crap that apparently lusers can't live without <fabbione> thansk god it's going upstream <fabbione> so it will break less <fabbione> and be more obsoleted faster <fabbione> but at least i have an excuse for not updating it <chmj> hmm, problem with tesing/patching is that I have very limited resources <chmj> will do some triage though <fabbione> chmj: we know what the problem is <fabbione> and if upstream doesn't fix it, i can only workaround it <fabbione> basically the ipw2100 and ipw2200 drivers share a set of common modules <fabbione> the ieee8something <fabbione> and the code is maintained duplicated! in both repos <fabbione> with the last upgrade of the drivers they went out of sync <fabbione> so the ieee code that's from the ipw2200 works for the latter <fabbione> but not for the ipw2100 <zul> muhahaha <fabbione> if i take the code from the ipw2100 it will break ipw2200 <fabbione> so there is only one untested solution <chmj> oh my <fabbione> remove this common code <fabbione> and compile it all static into the respective ipw2x00 modules <fabbione> in the hope that it works <fabbione> and you will test that kernel for me :) <chmj> ok :) <chmj> eta ? <fabbione> but it's not very high priority... <fabbione> probably one or two days <fabbione> i have userland work to finish <chmj> noted <chmj> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12417 this just came in <fabbione> tought luck... it's still the same ieee layer causing problems <fabbione> i am off for today <fabbione> cya tomorrow guys <chmj> enjoy <zul> arrgh!!! <fabbione> hey lamont <lamont__> howdy <zul> meh...dont know what to do <fabbione> zul: are you bored? <fabbione> fix some more bugs :) <zul> still debating <zul> fabbione: ill fix some tonight <fabbione> don't trash too much :P <zul> ill try not to :P <fabbione> so lamont__ how is going with the new job? <fabbione> you almost disappeared.. so i guess it keeps you busy ;) <lamont__> a bt <lamont__> a bit, even <jbailey> He's working at a site with a better 'net connection now, he can go back to surfing pr0n. <zul> they are suppose to be getting fiber here at work <lamont__> jbailey: feh <lamont__> besides - they monitor. <lamont__> which is a great waste of time and money, truthfully <lamont__> and a significant liability in the making. <fabbione> + nobody really checks the logs.. <jbailey> Yeah. I spent ages arguing at my last job that as long as someone was consistantly performing, who cares what they did, and if they weren't, then to deal with them directly and solve the issue without the over application of technology. <lamont__> HP lives in fear of RIAA <lamont__> hence BT is disallowed, unless you have a business need for a particular IP to be allowed to participate. <lamont__> as a client only, of course. <lamont__> since everyone knows that the only use for BT is to exchange copyrighted material in violation of copyright <fabbione> BT? <zul> british telecom? :) <lamont__> bittorrent <fabbione> ahh <zul> ooooh.. <lamont__> I mean, who would use it to release large tarballs/isos of free stuff??? <fabbione> http://dva.gbrit.com/~dougadams/Jokes/index.php?s=3.jpg <fabbione> AHHA <fabbione> (the rest of the site is NOT safe) <fabbione> so don't go one dir up :) * lamont__ has seen that one before <lamont__> iz good <fabbione> the joke or the site? <lamont__> fabbione: is that a gtk bug, I wonder??? <lamont__> joke <fabbione> ahah <lamont__> will have to see what other jokes are there tonight <fabbione> lamont__: mostlikely <fabbione> nah the others aren't that funny <lamont__> ah, ok. thanks <fabbione> mostlikely naked stuff <lamont__> feh <jbailey> Yeah, I'll read the BDSM stuff some time when my mother in law isn't wandering around my house. =) <fabbione> jbailey: exactly :) my wife is wathing TV.. i need to entertrain myself somehow :) <zul> why dont you watch tv with her... <fabbione> because there is a special about bush visiting dk <fabbione> and houneslty i can't care less <zul> heh...you said bush <fabbione> american people did pay his nice AirForce one travel <jbailey> Right, instead you can read about tying her up and spanking her instead. <fabbione> on a 3 day visit, one was half drunk <jbailey> "It's research, dear." <fabbione> the ohter has been playing golf <fabbione> and of 5 things he said on danish tv one was: "... you swallow. LISTEN TO YOUR MOTHER!" <fabbione> now.. i wonder .. what job did this porro mother do?! <fabbione> s/porro/poor <fabbione> jbailey: ahhaa <fabbione> jbailey: i am not reading all of it yet.. but it seems a pretty hounest author <jbailey> Cool #ubuntu-kernel 2005-07-11 <fabbione> morning * ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:fabbione] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelTeam | There are no kernel bugs.. only broken hardware | http://ramirezanna@example.org/ playground: kernel-debian--preX,4--2.6.12 | <chmj> morning <zul> heylo... <zul> im offically un-employed again ;) <fabbione> ehhe <chmj> hmmm ? <fabbione> zul: congratulation <zul> thanks :) <zul> ....and i have accepted the position <fabbione> ehhe <zul> chmj: i recently started a new job and got an offer and accepted it for a higher paying job somewhere else...hence im un-employed again <zul> in theory <chmj> oh I see <zul> fun isnt it <chmj> zul: in that case congratulations ! <zul> thanks :) <fabbione> zul: when you start at the new place? <zul> monday <zul> ...long weekend for me ;) <zul> but i have another doctor's appointment tomorrow <fabbione> ehhe <zul> world domination is mine....ahahaha <zul> hey jeffarino <jbailey> Heya Chuck! <zul> how goes it? <jbailey> Good. The place still looks like it was hit by a bomb. =) <jbailey> Plugged in the IP phone a couple minutes ago, so we have phone service again. <jbailey> Can't find the wireless router, so I'm limited to one computer at a time (it's also my switch) <fabbione> hey jeff <fabbione> fix glibc double simbols for sparc otherwise i can't compile gnome. kthxbye :) <fabbione> oh he is not here <fabbione> crap <fabbione> hey jeff <fabbione> fix glibc double simbols for sparc otherwise i can't compile gnome. kthxbye :) <doko> fabbione: the
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