#xubuntu-devel 2011-05-01 <nekoCAT> Where would be the best place to find a discussion of the feature set for 11.10? <micahg> nekoCAT: UDS :D <pleia2> nekoCAT: xubuntu-devel <pleia2> (a discussion has already started) <pleia2> mailing list <nekoCAT> The mailing list? Okay, I will subscribe there then. <pleia2> yeah, there are also frequent team meetings which are announced there <nekoCAT> Midori is being considered for the default browser? As much as I like Midori it is completely unstable in many instances when I last tried it. <pleia2> the cycle just started, everything is on the table :) <pleia2> the default apps are pretty much revisited each cycle to see if we want to make any changes in case something improved <nekoCAT> Postler sounds like a nice inclusion if Midori makes it in. I like the idea of switching to lightdm. <nekoCAT> One question, with pavucontrol installed would I still be able to use the xfce mixer? If so then having that installed is completely fine by me. #xubuntu-devel 2011-05-02 <beardygnome> hi all, can anyone tell me why natty has stopped mounting external fat32 drives as executable? <charlie-tca> Good morning <micahg> good morning, my xubuntu installs seems messed up, icons on left, can't pull up setting for window manager, can't add workspaces (natty) <charlie-tca> try Alt+F2, xfsettingsd <charlie-tca> do you have a wallpaper? <micahg> yep <charlie-tca> got window title bars <charlie-tca> ? <micahg> yeah, but no menus and the title bars are blank <charlie-tca> Alt+F2, xfwm4 <micahg> xfwm4 won't run, my checks why <charlie-tca> or maybe, Alt+F2, xfce4-settings-helper <charlie-tca> xfwm4 might already be running <micahg> nope <charlie-tca> that seems wrong <charlie-tca> pretty sure you need it <micahg> hmmm --replace worked <charlie-tca> is gnome window manager running? * micahg wonders what wm was running and why <charlie-tca> I don't the answers no more <micahg> well, buttons/settings are back at least <micahg> thanks charlie-tca <charlie-tca> You are welcome <charlie-tca> once in a while a remember the commands mr_pouit makes me run when I screw things up #xubuntu-devel 2011-05-03 <charlie-tca> Good morning <hobbsc> mornin' <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, Do you want to take over admining the xubuntu-users ml? <cody-somerville> (too late, its yours now :P) <TheSheep> cody-somerville: hehe, the latest outburst tipped it? * cody-somerville just wants to stop receiving the moderation and admin e-mails for it, haha <charlie-tca> no? <charlie-tca> I suppose it's too late for No, I don't really want it <charlie-tca> but, okay <charlie-tca> A nice review by someone well known - http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/441252-xubuntu-1104-solid-sleek-and-speedy <ochosi> charlie-tca: up to now the comments/feedback/reviews (that i read) have all been really positive about xubuntu natty <charlie-tca> that's what I have seen too. And both the theme and wallpaper are getting good reviews <ochosi> yep, actually i also haven't ready any complaints about the switch to gmusicbrowser <ochosi> which is a rather good sign <ochosi> usually people start shouting when default apps are changed <charlie-tca> Haven't been any, yet. I think everybody did a great job! <ochosi> i kinda expected that <ochosi> (i mean i expected the shouting) <ochosi> yeah, same here! <charlie-tca> Maybe they are so upset with Ubuntu/Unity, the rest is not enough to shake anyone? <ochosi> hehe <ochosi> not unlikely <ochosi> btw, would you mind collecting those reviews (or at least links to them) in the wiki? <ochosi> at least the extensive reviews <charlie-tca> We should be able to <ochosi> to be able to check later in the comments whether there were suggestions we want to consider <holstein> w00t <charlie-tca> stick em in something like /Xubuntu/Marketing/Reviews? <holstein> XUBUNTU! <ochosi> charlie-tca: yeah, that'd make sense <charlie-tca> I like that idea <ochosi> okeydokey, gotta go <ochosi> night everyone <charlie-tca> Thanks <ochosi> np #xubuntu-devel 2011-05-04 <ckontros> Hey guys. Im Cory former lead for Ubuntu Studio. Im coming back for a cycle. I tried to upload changes to one or our branches on LP and cant. Are you guys going through the same thing. Is something frozen this early in the cycle? <ckontros> I noticed all the branches are owned by james-w and not the -dev team. <charlie-tca> I don't think it is open yet <ckontros> Thats the only thing I was thinking. <charlie-tca> Toolchain upload is due May 5 <ckontros> So I may be trying to work a bit early. <charlie-tca> possible <charlie-tca> I can't say for sure <ottod> I just logged on to this channel to congratulate the Xubuntu developers for their 11.04 release. It is the best so far for me, even better than main version. <knome> ottod, thanks. <charlie-tca> Good morning #xubuntu-devel 2011-05-06 <alex6567> hello! what is best ide for cpp linux gnome? <jussi> alex6567: depends very much on your taste - could go ask bestbot in #ubuntu-bots <TheSheep> alex6567: vim #xubuntu-devel 2011-05-07 <SiDi> ffs can't even curse on public irc channels <SiDi> :( #xubuntu-devel 2011-05-11 <charlie-tca> Good Evening <Unit193> Howdy charlie-tca! Having a good time and getting good info? <charlie-tca> This is a terrific experience. <charlie-tca> The information takes a bit to sort out, for me. I will need to go over the notes and blueprints to get things staight. <charlie-tca> I highly recommend anyone that gets the chance should really go to UDS <Unit193> Do you also record them? <charlie-tca> no, I don t carry the computer to the sessions <charlie-tca> However, every streamed session is available after UDS for those who want to listen to them. <Unit193> I'll check them out! (I have been to 2 remote sessions) <charlie-tca> Great! I will keep an eye out and let you know when I see them available <charlie-tca> Well, breakfast time here. Will be back much later. <RawChid> Hello <RawChid> Can anybody tell me how the translations of Xubuntu are done? Via Launchpad? <TheSheep> !rosetta <ubottu> rosetta is a Web-based system for translating open source software into any language. See https://launchpad.net/rosetta <RawChid> Thnx, I'm aware of that <RawChid> I'm a translator of Ubuntu. Can you give me more hints? Can't find it directly on https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team <RawChid> I want to help to get upstream translations from XFCE into Xubuntu <TheSheep> I don't know the details, maybe someone else. <RawChid> https://code.launchpad.net/xfconf <mr_pouit> RawChid: translations are done upstream exclusively (because things translated on LP often only benefit ubuntu and aren't often shared with other distros, or even upstream) <mr_pouit> https://translations.xfce.org/ <RawChid> Looks like the translations from transifex imported automatically? <ochosi> 'lo mr_pouit :) <RawChid> Oke, thanks <RawChid> One question, who is responsible for up-to-date translations? The Xubutnu maintainer right? <RawChid> I mean, that the translations are up-to-date with XFCE <mr_pouit> yes, simply file a bug if you want some translations to be updated/included. But it's very unlikely to happen for stable releases (e.g. maverick, natty), unless one translation is completely broken or misleading. <mr_pouit> and for the development release (oneiric), new translations are included when packaging new upstream releases usually <RawChid> mr_pouit, someone has just made great progress in Dutch translations <RawChid> Where to file a bug? <RawChid> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev ? <mr_pouit> RawChid: which package is it? <tigerw> hey whats up with encrypted homedir bugging on occasion I will paste code <RawChid> mr_pouit, several packages <mr_pouit> then it's better to file one bug for each affected ubuntu package <RawChid> Where to file the bugs? <mr_pouit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/<package name> <mr_pouit> e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfconf for xfconf <RawChid> Ack #xubuntu-devel 2011-05-12 <charlie-tca> Good evening from Budapest! <Unit193> Goodnight from USA! <charlie-tca> heh <RawChid> Good morning :P <knome> hello <Unit193> Howdy! <ochosi> just found a video-review of xubuntu natty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7kf04nKNYw <ochosi> so it seems that ubuntu will switch to lightdm, i guess that's good news <knome> probably #xubuntu-devel 2011-05-13 <charlie-tca> Word for today: LightDM <Unit193> That's great sounding! <Mark__T> do you use gksu(do) in xubuntu? <knome> yes <knome> gksudo <Mark__T> does it work? <Mark__T> the policykit one? <knome> err, yes it works? <knome> don't know about policykit stuff :) <knome> i mean, i don't know what is policykit and what not <Mark__T> gksudo -h <Mark__T> does it give any option? <knome> option? <Mark__T> anyway, reason I ask is, we use sudo in foresight too, opposed to many other distribution <Mark__T> well gksu* with polkit only has -h <knome> http://pastebin.com/PkAsLx5G <Mark__T> ok the old one, so my issue doesn't apply here <Mark__T> gksudo xcalc -> Error: Can't open display: <Mark__T> I had some hope xubuntu would use the same and someone knows how to fix <Mark__T> as it works in our gnome <knome> mmh #xubuntu-devel 2011-05-14 <lostson> would it be possible to add gufw to the standard install <pleia2> ubuntu studio \o/ #xubuntu-devel 2011-05-15 <j0rd_> can anyone here help.? The menu bar on the top of each window is missing (file, edit, etc...) and i have no idea how it happened of how to fix it. <holstein> j0rd_: do this <holstein> make another user account <holstein> loging <holstein> login* <holstein> and see if all is well... <j0rd_> i'll try that next holstein <j0rd_> I have tried login / logout / reboot / xfce4 --replace / xfwm4 -r / etc but the bar is still missin, my son ninjad my keyboard so im guessing some sort of key combo perhaps <j0rd_> also icons mising from pannel, like the session icon is missing, if i click where it is ment to be the menu shows up but no icons for it <j0rd_> all google urns up is junk for restarting the panels <holstein> you logged in as the new user? <holstein> and its the same? <j0rd_> just setting up a new user account now <holstein> test_: ? <holstein> no good? <test_> fixed <holstein> ok <holstein> hmmm <holstein> im not sure exactly where it is <test_> is there any way to fix my normal acct or is it a case of transfering everything to a new acct <holstein> i would just start renaming .xfce config directories <test_> hmmm <holstein> renaming <holstein> or moving <holstein> so you can easily revert* <test_> where would i find those, hidden in ~/ .? <holstein> yup <holstein> someone could come along that knows the magic key combo though <holstein> it would be nice to know that <test_> so just add ".old" onto the end of every xfce config i can find in ~/ .? <holstein> thats one way <holstein> log out and back in <holstein> and they should regenerate <holstein> and your settings should become default <test_> kk, will try that next, thanks heap holstein <j0rd_> yhankyou heaps holstein...you just saved me from a masive headache and taught me something useful too, much appreciated <holstein> j0rd_: :) <holstein> it would be nice to know what happened though <holstein> im going to have to think about that one <holstein> glad its sorted out though <j0rd_> no doubt..my son is a key board ninja, at 3 yerars old <holstein> hehe #xubuntu-devel 2011-05-16 <charlie-tca> Good morning <micahg> good morning ChanServ <micahg> oops <micahg> good morning charlie-tca <charlie-tca> Good morning, micahg <davmor2> charlie-tca: how did we miss each other dude? I was looking out for you and persia describe you and I thought I saw him :( <davmor2> charlie-tca: I hope you had an uneventful flight home :) <charlie-tca> davmor2: had a good flight home. <charlie-tca> tried to find you, but sometimes, it just doesn't work out <charlie-tca> I had time to talk with persia this time. It was Great! <davmor2> charlie-tca: yeah 600 people in a confined space doesn't help <davmor2> yeah persia is a dude <charlie-tca> yeah, exactly. <charlie-tca> Then try to find someone you don't know at all, too <davmor2> charlie-tca: Yeap that too <davmor2> charlie-tca: best of it is you spoke to one of my colleagues a couple of times at breakfast dsowen <charlie-tca> heh <charlie-tca> I spoke to a lot of people, I think <charlie-tca> davmor2: next time, look for the elderly gray haired guy! <davmor2> with a stick <charlie-tca> yeah, that one <davmor2> charlie-tca: well hopefully I'll be at the next one too so should be good <charlie-tca> That would be great! <charlie-tca> I did finally get to meet some of the other people, though. I guess a few at a time works. <charlie-tca> I even got to meet pleia2 in person! <charlie-tca> It is really hard to meet up with the one called cody-somerville though. Maybe we can get together in orlando, too <davmor2> charlie-tca: Cody is easy to find just look for some one else and he always seems to be there :D <charlie-tca> I didn't try that one :-) #xubuntu-devel 2011-05-17 <charlie-tca> Good morning <holstein> charlie-tca: o/ <pleia2> can someone speak to this/confirm? https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/+bug/784020 <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 784020 in Xubuntu Website "download page lies about disk size requirements" [Undecided,New] <charlie-tca> valid <pleia2> ok, I'll update the reqs on the site <charlie-tca> The ubiquity installer per Ubuntu requirements needs 4 GB, we get caught up in that, even though the actual Xubuntu install only needs 2gb <charlie-tca> I think we should give that but to ubiquity <charlie-tca> Using the alternate installer will not force the same statement from the installer <pleia2> the bug is actually against the website, so a separate one should be filed against ubiquity <charlie-tca> I will run another test, since I did install in less then 4gb during testing. I split a 3 gb partition to install in <ochosi> great, i saw quite a few people in #xubuntu inquire about that lately <pleia2> thanks charlie-tca, I've gone ahead and updated the site to say: "To install Xubuntu with the standard installer (Ubiquity), you need 4.4 GB of free space on your hard disk. The Alternate Install CD only requires you to have 2 GB of free space on your hard disk." <charlie-tca> If it rreally requires the 4 gb, I will file a bug against ubiquity, but I think it is only a matter of wording <pleia2> ochosi: I still owe you a nice firefox screenshot, right? <pleia2> ochosi: here's the updated one: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/xubuntu/natty/n-xubuntu-firefox.png <pleia2> let me know if it's ok :) <micahg> does anyone else experience pink notify-osd alerts in natty? <davmor2> micahg: no <davmor2> micahg: I am on Ubuntu rather than Xubuntu <micahg> davmor2: I was referring to xubuntu :) <micahg> ubuntu stuff works fine <charlie-tca> not any more <knome> hey pleia2, i suppose there is no update on the wp staging site for xubuntu? <charlie-tca> micahg: I had off-color notifications, until I got both xfsettingsd and xfwm4 to start <pleia2> knome: no update :( <pleia2> everyone was at UDS last week though, so no surprise there <knome> someone could have pointed that to the IS guys <knome> with a sharp knife <knome> :| <micahg> charlie-tca: will check when I'm near that machine again, thanks <ochosi> pleia2: ah right, @work atm, will check when i'm home :) <pleia2> ochosi: thank you :) <ochosi> pleia2: any chance this will hit the hp anytime soon? (or is it connected to the wordpress-migration) <pleia2> ochosi: hp? <ochosi> pleia2: homepage <pleia2> ochosi: oh, yeah I already updated the screenshot on the homepage, the ones you're doing now are for xubuntu.org/tour <pleia2> I updated the top one, waiting on firefox for the bottom one <pleia2> and just updated xubuntu.org/about this morning <pleia2> I'm going through the site and reporting bugs against other stuff we need to update so I don't lose track <charlie-tca> lots of bugs, I hope ;-) <pleia2> charlie-tca: yes, and some for you! xubuntu.org/contribute/qa_bugs_testing needs love :) <pleia2> charlie-tca: I know qa_bugs_testing needs updating, when you have some time can you go through the rest of http://xubuntu.org/devel to see what else does? <charlie-tca> okay <ochosi> pleia2: ok, i just finished the ff-shot, here you go: http://imagebin.org/153721 <pleia2> ochosi: thanks! <ochosi> pleia2: btw, the about-screenshot is a bit lame with the virtualbox parts... ;) <ochosi> you could send the original to me and i can remove that if you want <ochosi> (or is it intentional?) <pleia2> oops * pleia2 fixes <ochosi> charlie-tca: btw, suggestion for xubuntu+1 default install: https://code.google.com/p/touchegg/ <ochosi> (kubuntu are doing it as well, i think the move makes sense) <knome> ochosi, have you tried that yourself? <ochosi> knome: yes <knome> okay <ochosi> with an apple trackpad * ochosi hides <charlie-tca> ochosi: kubuntu will look at it because it is using QT - TouchÃ©gg is a multi-touch gestures recognizer written in C + + using the Qt 4 and utouch-geis. <charlie-tca> We do not have QT installed by default, and it does increase the size of things considerably <ochosi> right, didn't think of that <ochosi> i guess when i installed it i already had qt <ochosi> so i didn't notice <charlie-tca> it is a good fit for KDE <ochosi> well anyway, i think xfce/xubuntu could be a bit better with touchpad configuration <ochosi> atm it's really very basic <charlie-tca> disclaimer: charlie-tca will be testing kubuntu accessibility this cycle <charlie-tca> agreed, we could stand to be better, but not through QT <pleia2> https://www-admin.xubuntu.org/tour done \o/ <pleia2> err <pleia2> xubuntu.org/tour :) <ochosi> charlie-tca: nice, this way we can compare their accessibility to ours <charlie-tca> Theirs is not quite as good as what we don't have <ochosi> you speak in miracles, charlie-tca <knome> pleia2, nice screenshots! :) <charlie-tca> Xfce 4.10 will include accessibility <ochosi> well done pleia2 <charlie-tca> for now, we use gnome stuff <ochosi> k, get what you mean now <ochosi> well, it'll be a while till xfce 4.10 i guess... <charlie-tca> I would like to see at-registryd installed by default, so that the other accessibility that relies on it will just work, though <ochosi> unless the latest cycle has changed their release policy <charlie-tca> yup <charlie-tca> we are looking at maybe 12.04 for 4.10 <ochosi> would be nice, since it's the next lts if i'm not mistaken <charlie-tca> yeah, which means three years without 4.10 if it doesn't make it <charlie-tca> ochosi: thanks for looking out for better accessibility stuff. <knome> pleia2, as it seems like it's going to take a while before we get the staging site, would you be ready to work with me to integrate the new logo into the xubuntu site? <pleia2> knome: yep, but I want it to be as little work as possible :) <pleia2> if we can just swap out the logo that'd be nice <knome> pleia2, i think we could drop the curve on the white area, and also get rid of the top baby blue bar <ochosi> charlie-tca: sure, np. maybe we can still find some solution for touchpads or whatever. i also hope to be able to improve greybird and make it even more accessible <charlie-tca> We just have to keep looking. We can find something, I am sure. <ochosi> knome, pleia2: having something like the ubiquity installer slideshow on the frontpage, is that for after the wordpress migration? <knome> ochosi, yeah. <pleia2> knome: the drupal theme code is at lp:xubuntu-website and that can just be pushed when we are ready (I just nudge cody) <knome> okay... <knome> ugh :) <knome> i didn't want to hear that, but okay <pleia2> knome: we might just have to suffice with updating https://www-admin.xubuntu.org/themes/xubuntu810/img/xubuntu_logo_slogan.png <ochosi> bbl <pleia2> the curve remains, but we can at least get the logo sorted <knome> well... <knome> while i'm on that, i'd rather just drop the curve really <pleia2> it just seems that dropping the curve is going to require a lot more work <knome> of course, but it's still not massive, really :) <knome> there's no more work for you <knome> i'll edit the css with web dev extension <knome> so i can make sure it works <pleia2> ok <knome> do we want to keep the slogan? <pleia2> I don't think so <knome> okay <cody-somerville> ugh oh. <cody-somerville> my xfce4-settings-helper on my maverick laptop dies horribly with _chunk(): invalid pointer <cody-somerville> : - ( #xubuntu-devel 2011-05-19 <Animental> Hola! <charlie-tca> Good morning <holstein> charlie-tca: o/ <holstein> im excited about ubuntustudio using XFCE :) <charlie-tca> holstein: I am too. I think that is a good move for ubuntustudio <holstein> agreed <holstein> we are being met with some negativity from the ubuntustudio community <ochosi> holstein: what are the main concerns? <charlie-tca> That will always be the case. There are those who still insist Ubuntu should include gnome2 in 11.10, too <holstein> change in general <charlie-tca> They don't seem to realize gnome3 is replacing gnome 2 and is a major change to it <holstein> most seem to be unaware that gnome2 is EOL <ochosi> mhm <ochosi> holstein: do you plan to switch to xfce-apps as well? (as in: replace nautilus with thunar etc.) <holstein> ochosi: thats the idea <ochosi> right <holstein> *we hope to get away with that <charlie-tca> ochosi: using Xubuntu as the base instead of Ubuntu <holstein> theres no reason why we cant <holstein> i think we are checking for dependancies that might want/need nautilus <ochosi> yeah, tbh feature-wise i'm not concerned with gnome2 vs. xfce <charlie-tca> As I see it, it will greatly simplify the way it is put together <holstein> or some other component that would want to pull gnome in <pleia2> charlie-tca: so, according to the latest email from IS we can't actually use the staging site for staging our theme <charlie-tca> yeah, I saw that. Maybe I don't understand what staging is? <pleia2> looks like we'll need to set up our own instance and do our development there :\ <pleia2> I think *they* don't understand what staging is <charlie-tca> It seems like they are using it as a pre-approval site only, instead of a place where the user can build and play before making the site real <pleia2> yeah <pleia2> now both knome and I have resources to run our own, but if we knew we couldn't use staging for staging we would have done this months ago, and it's kinda annoying :) <charlie-tca> I agree. <charlie-tca> It seems really backward to have to work this way <pleia2> yeah <charlie-tca> I was going to try and push it, but I am afraid of losing it completely by making them angry <charlie-tca> They are slow enough to respond. No point making it worse <pleia2> agreed <pleia2> I'll set up a test instance, but probably not today, need to get over demotivation from this disappointment first :) <charlie-tca> It is really frustrating though, since we could have built several test sites already <pleia2> yeah <Pjotr> Hello, I'm a member of the upstream Dutch translation team for Xfce. Recently, RawChid spoke to mr_pouit about transferring critically improved Dutch translations of Xfce 4.8, to the updates of Xubuntu 11.04. <Pjotr> mr_pouit then advised to make a separate bug report on Launchpad, for each newly translated Xfce package. I've done that a week ago. mr_pouit is not here, it seems.... can somebody else inform me about the progress in this matter? :-) <micahg> Pjotr: I haven't seen the bugs, but the process would be, get the new translations in the versions in oneiric, then you can SRU them to natty <Pjotr> How can I get them in oneiric? They are now here: https://translations.xfce.org/projects/p/xfce/r/xfce-4-8/l/nl/ <charlie-tca> They will come into oneiric when we sync the packages shortly <charlie-tca> Then we will push them back into natty, normally <charlie-tca> By having the bugs, we won't forget them <Pjotr> OK, sounds great.... when will the next sync happen? <charlie-tca> I don't have dates, but I belioe <charlie-tca> I believe it is in progress now, so should be within a week or two <micahg> autosync is happening from Debian, so I assume Debian is packaging these new versions <charlie-tca> That's the normal route. If mr_pouit sees they are not up to date, he packages to Debian and then syncs the packages <Pjotr> charlie-tca: That's pretty quickly. And how long do you think it'll take after that, to push back the translations into natty? <charlie-tca> I don't really have a timeframe for that. <charlie-tca> Alpha1 is june 2, so the sync has to happen soon <micahg> ? what does one have to do with the otehr <Pjotr> charlie-tca: maybe you can give a rough estimate for the push back into natty? <charlie-tca> Usually want the latest stuff in the first milestone, if possible <charlie-tca> Pjotr: can't even begin to guess <micahg> is there a list of bugs? <charlie-tca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/781039 <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 781039 in exo (Ubuntu) "Critically improved Dutch translation available upstream" [Undecided,New] <Pjotr> micahg: I can provide it, if you have a moment... <micahg> Pjotr: or just give me your LP id name and I can see which bugs you reported :) <charlie-tca> That should have most of the packages attached <micahg> Pjotr: nm, got it <Pjotr> this is my Launchpad ID: https://launchpad.net/~computertip <micahg> so, we have 13 packages to update <Pjotr> Yup, I've been pretty busy... :P <charlie-tca> :-) <micahg> so, if mr_pouit gets this into Debian, we can sync them over into Ubuntu and then get them into Natty <Pjotr> I've tried contacting mr_pouit through his Launchpad account, but received no response yet <Pjotr> I have to go now. Thanks for your answers. I trust the matter is in good hands. :-) <charlie-tca> Thanks for those bugs. <scott-work> hi charlie-tca , just wanted to make sure you were aware that ubuntu studio is strongly considering moving to xfce as the DE <charlie-tca> Thanks. Yes, and I think it would be a good move for ubuntustudio <charlie-tca> We will try to give you whatever help we can if you do it. <holstein> charlie-tca: thanks <holstein> hopefully, it can be a pooling of resources at some point <holstein> as the US team grows <charlie-tca> scott-work: I think it might be easier than trying to tie in Unity, too <scott-work> charlie-tca: i expect the same as well <scott-work> and thanks :) <charlie-tca> Good luck! Oneiric promises to be interesting either way <scott-work> charlie-tca: it certainly does, ubuntu studio has several substanital improvements in process, i hope we can sucessfully complete them <charlie-tca> As a non-leader, let me know if I can help out. Not a developer/packager, but I can do testing and bugs if you need help with them? <charlie-tca> I can't speak for Xubuntu on that, but for myself, I would be happy to lend a hand <micahg> charlie-tca: non-leader? <charlie-tca> bad words. non-leader == individually, not as Xubuntu <charlie-tca> brain still not back from UDS <scott-work> lol, thank you charlie-tca, that is very gratious of you and greatly appreciated :) <scott-work> there is discussion about getting the faenza icon set into the repos for use, but i don't know how this would look within xfce <charlie-tca> Just want help here and there <scott-work> does anyone have an opinion about it? <charlie-tca> I thought faenza was already in the universe <charlie-tca> faenza-icon-theme <charlie-tca> We looked at it for Natty, but decided it was not quite right. Elementary was a better fit. <charlie-tca> scott-work: ochosi did quite of bit of work with faenza, but is not around right now <scott-work> charlie-tca: oh! that might be really, really good then, but i'll look at elementary as well <scott-work> but it still looks like faenza might only be available in PPA :( <charlie-tca> hm, maybe I got the ppa enabled then <micahg> charlie-tca: looks like it, I can't see it in the archive <charlie-tca> edubuntu was looking at faenza too <charlie-tca> nope <charlie-tca> it is in main for natty <micahg> charlie-tca: pkg name? <charlie-tca> faenza-icon-theme <micahg> charlie-tca: nope <charlie-tca> version 0.7 <micahg> charlie-tca: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?search_type=source&text=faenza <charlie-tca> it shows in synaptic as component : main <micahg> charlie-tca: all PPA packages are in main (public ones at least) <charlie-tca> crap <charlie-tca> i give up. looks like I got too many ppa's now <micahg> charlie-tca: apt-cache policy foo will tell you where it's from <charlie-tca> This theme is still under development. <charlie-tca> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status <charlie-tca> last line for apt-cache <micahg> charlie-tca: the only source shown? <charlie-tca> no source given for it <micahg> ah, yeah, then the repo was disabled at some point or it was deleted from th erepo <charlie-tca> even better! * micahg runs off to do various things now <charlie-tca> I'm going hide again. This one got me <scott-work> lol, but thank you for looking :) #xubuntu-devel 2011-05-20 <charlie-tca> Good morning <charlie-tca> Sucessfully installed Xubuntu 11.04 using xubuntu-desktop-i386.iso. Manually partition 3072Mb for / and 1024Mb for swap. Total size for installation = 4Gb. Verified on info page that 4.4Gb is required for install, but that is simply a warning to insure ubuntu will work. <charlie-tca> I will run an install using a total of 2Gb available later today. <charlie-tca> I will have to swap out drives for it. <pleia2> charlie-tca: using the alt installer for your next test? <charlie-tca> Using desktop for both, if it works, I know the alternate will #xubuntu-devel 2011-05-21 <charlie-tca> *Gm <charlie-tca> Good morning <Unit193> Good afternoon! <charlie-tca> Maybe I will start going by UTC instead of Mountain time <Unit193> I just go by my time... Do you happen to know where the recordings of UDS are? (I can look, I just don't know offhand) <Unit193> Sat May 21 17:06:19 EDT 2011 Local <charlie-tca> I don't know offhand <charlie-tca> I could go search them out if you want <Unit193> I didn't find them (Maybe I'm blind...) <charlie-tca> http://www.youtube.com/user/ubuntudevelopers <charlie-tca> has the videos <Unit193> Ah! I didn't williamsmith@example.net... (And I thought it would be audio...) /me fails <charlie-tca> There are audio streams of all the sessions too, the videos are only plenaries and some sessions <charlie-tca> Unit193: here are most of the session streams - http://mirrors.tumbleweed.org.za/uds-o/ <Unit193> charlie-tca: Thanks! Sorry for the bug! <charlie-tca> huh? <charlie-tca> bug? <Unit193> s/bug/bugging/ <charlie-tca> no problem <charlie-tca> That mirror page takes a while to load #xubuntu-devel 2011-05-23 <charlie-tca> Good morning <davmor2> morning charlie-tca <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting today at 19:00 UTC in #xubuntu-devel. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings <pleia2> charlie-tca: I'll be on a plane at that time, my only update is that we can't use the canonical staging site to stage the theme so we're going to need to run our own and go from there until the theme is complete <pleia2> I'll talk to knome and we might get something up this week to start writing our new theme <charlie-tca> Okay, thanks <ochosi> hey charlie-tca <charlie-tca> Hello, ochosi <ochosi> as a follow-up on the discussion of whether to include something for touchpads in xubuntu by default i wanted to refer to this thread: http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2011-May/028865.html <ochosi> seems like this feature is planned upstream <ochosi> so maybe it isn't worth digging around for something else <pleia2> oh! I also filed some bugs against the site (and fixed some), I encourage others to review and do the same: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website <charlie-tca> Great! Xfce developers are really on top of most stuff <ochosi> charlie-tca: they're already discussing the UI, so i assume that it could be part of 11.10 even if xfce 4.10 isn't released by the time <ochosi> at least iirc they now plan to do more individual releases of the components <ochosi> oh, and also i have to apologize, i won't be able to make the meeting tonight <charlie-tca> Okay, any plans for oneiric need to get discussed quickly <charlie-tca> We are looking at a short cycle this time, compared to Natty <knome> pleia2, absolutely <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 35minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: any chance this is complete now? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/xubuntu-desktop/+spec/xubuntu-karmic-doc-packaging <micahg> charlie-tca: meeting in here? <charlie-tca> yup <charlie-tca> In 4 minutes * charlie-tca waves at the crowd <charlie-tca> Let's welcome everyone to the Xubuntu Community Meeting <micahg> wow, login screen in oneiric is funky ATM <charlie-tca> For those who can not be here, there will be minutes and logs <charlie-tca> I haven't upgraded yet * micahg just upgraded his spare laptop <charlie-tca> We don't have a meeting bot, so I will copy the logs after the meeting <charlie-tca> A full meeting agenda is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings <drc> charlie-tca: "The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request." <charlie-tca> reload the page <charlie-tca> it is a common wiki error <charlie-tca> TOPIC - Old business - all <charlie-tca> TOPIC - email the ML with proposed meeting days and times, Mon, Thurs, Fri only for days <charlie-tca> This was done, Monday was chosen as the best day for most of us. As for times, they are harder to pin down <charlie-tca> 19:00 UTC seems to be a good time, but there are conflicts in #ubuntu-meeting at that time. <charlie-tca> I can attempt to get a meeting bot in here, which would nicely resolve the issue <charlie-tca> Any questions or comments on the new meeting time? <charlie-tca> Hopefully, we will make more progress on Marketing during this cycle. <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Team updates - Team Leads <charlie-tca> This is the time to decide what w <charlie-tca> we are doing for Oneiric. <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: any updates? <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: will we see Xfce 4.8.2 for Oneiric? <charlie-tca> Website: We are going to move to wordpress from Drupal <xrdodrx> am I on time <xrdodrx> for the meeting described @ https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2011-May/007787.html <charlie-tca> We will be setting up a test site, either through knome or pleia2 own setups, since Canonical staging site is only them to see if our site is okay <charlie-tca> xrdodrx: yes, on time <mr_pouit> no updates, sorry <charlie-tca> Np <charlie-tca> no problem <mr_pouit> yeah, newer upstream releases will be synced <charlie-tca> That will be great! * micahg got midori 0.3.6 into oneiric <charlie-tca> Artwork this cycle will be mainly improving greybird and the wallpaper <charlie-tca> Thanks, micahg <mr_pouit> micahg: and parole :p <micahg> mr_pouit: yep, didn't know anyone cared about it though (weirdly enough, it's still a recommends for xubuntu-desktop and in the default install) <charlie-tca> We have an Oneiric Goals page, which we should try to keep updated <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Goals/Oneiric <charlie-tca> Our artwork team will also be working from http://wiki.knome.fi/shimmer:greybird, which has several goals they would like to get in for Oneiric <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: are we looking at both gtk2 and gtk3 for this cycle? <charlie-tca> Announcements - <mr_pouit> no, the focus is still on gtk+2 <charlie-tca> We have alpha1 coming at us fast. The tentative calendar/schedule for Oneiric is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule <mr_pouit> (upstream for 4.10 at least) <charlie-tca> Great. I do know Ubuntu will be moving some stuff to gtk3, since they will be adding gnome3 to the repositories <micahg> mr_pouit: won't we need GTK3 for apport and related GNOME stuff? <charlie-tca> Alpha1 release is due on June 2. It would be nice to see some of 4.8.2 in there if possible, but we need to at least have an alpha1 release <charlie-tca> We will also need testers for each milestone, so if you can, let me know as soon as possible. <charlie-tca> I hope to split the roadmap out more, and will have specific things that have to happen. We would like to have people volunteer to do those items. <charlie-tca> We have pleia2 and knome working the website, We need someone that can go through the wiki documentation and update it. <Soupermanito> charlie-tca, testing can be done using virtualboxes? im fairly new to all this, sorry if its a silly question <xrdodrx> Soupermanito, it's best to test on real hardware, just set up a dedicated partiton for xubuntu test releases/nightlies I'd say <charlie-tca> Soupermanito: yes, for us testing works in VirtualBox <xrdodrx> or not :D <micahg> Soupermanito: testdrive is also a good way (which can use virtualbox or qemu on the backend) <mr_pouit> micahg: yeah, unfortunately, and I think it'll be a mess <charlie-tca> Heh. <micahg> mr_pouit: no doubt <mr_pouit> because afaik, gtk3 needs its own theme, and won't use the gtk2 murrine based one <micahg> mr_pouit: right <charlie-tca> I am thinking right now that if there is a way, we are looking at putting Xfce 4.10 into 12.04, which is the LTS. <charlie-tca> If that is a true statement, we need Oneiric to be as stable as we can get it. <charlie-tca> Soupermanito: can we count on you for testing then, at least the milestones in the schedule? <micahg> charlie-tca: what does it matter? oneiric won't have 4.10 <xrdodrx> since xfce is based on gtk, are there any plans to add unity (2D?) to xubuntu for oneiric? I thought unity was to "unify" officially-supported ubuntu-based distros? <charlie-tca> xrdodrx: there will not be any plans to add unity to Xubuntu <xrdodrx> that's good to hear :) <Soupermanito> charlie-tca, yes i think you can, i will need some kind of testing protocol or something but yes <charlie-tca> We are not Ubuntu, we are a separate distribution <mr_pouit> we (try to) stay close to upstream <charlie-tca> I will give whatever help is needed for testing <charlie-tca> Unity was designed to unify all the Ubuntu distributions, meaning desktop, mobile, netbook, etc <beardygnome> i'm happy to test the milestones as well <charlie-tca> beardygnome: great! putting you both down. We do test starting the tuesday before the milestone <charlie-tca> and testing is run 24 hours, so you can do it in your own timez <charlie-tca> timezones <beardygnome> how much time should i allow? <charlie-tca> as much as you can. Images are subject to instant rebuild, and then will be tested completely again. <charlie-tca> for natty final, I think I burned about 48 cd's, between ubuntu and Xubuntu <charlie-tca> and I only got two for each one when it was released <beardygnome> when's the first milestone? <xrdodrx> beardygnome, 2 june <charlie-tca> June 2 <beardygnome> i just moved house so don't have internet there yet <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule <charlie-tca> Okay, we will try to keep you informed <charlie-tca> Any questions on what we discussed? <charlie-tca> Any Other Business - all/anyone <charlie-tca> Meeting times and dates, I think is settled. <beardygnome> can i get a link to the testing procedures? <drc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing <charlie-tca> I will try to schedule them for here and #ubuntu-meeting both, perhaps using this three times a month and #ubuntu-meeting once a month <charlie-tca> I would like to hold weekly meetings, since it does seem to keep all of us informed about what is happening. <charlie-tca> Before I forget, Ubuntu did agree to use LightDM to replace GDM <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: we will also, right? <charlie-tca> The lightdm developer is devoting all of his time to make it work, and iron out any issues <charlie-tca> Anyone have anything they would like to bring up? <charlie-tca> going... <beardygnome> o/ <charlie-tca> go ahead, beardygnome <beardygnome> just a big congratulations to everyone for natty :-) <charlie-tca> I would add mine and a huge thank you also to that! <beardygnome> it's working really well for me <beardygnome> and i'm loving the new networking features <beardygnome> (though that's down to xfce, not us) <charlie-tca> I seem to have an issue yet with the screensaver locking things up, but I really like natty <micahg> charlie-tca: gltext? <beardygnome> anyone else had the panel restart on them? <charlie-tca> all the gl... ones <micahg> charlie-tca: was fixed with 5.13, might be worth an SRU if we can find the commit <beardygnome> (sorry, i'm derailing this, i'll take it to the ml) <jozefk> yes panel restarts coz of screensaver but not a big deal <charlie-tca> If I dig for it, you will help me get it done? <micahg> charlie-tca: sure <micahg> charlie-tca: idk if the source repo for xscreensaver is available <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: yep, if ubuntu throws gdm away, we'll follow :p <charlie-tca> ACTION: Charlie to dig for the xscreensaver updates, and put in an SRU <charlie-tca> It's happening, mr_pouit <micahg> mr_pouit: I think it's for alpha1, I"ll check quick <xrdodrx> I've used ubuntu since 6.06 (gnome), but switched to xubuntu 4 days ago, and I've only experienced minor bugs, I really hope we follow with ubuntu and switch to lightdm <charlie-tca> I just don't know if it will be alpha1 or 2 <micahg> mr_pouit: it's supposed to be happening for alpha1 <charlie-tca> xrdodrx: we will go to lightdm. We tried really hard last cycle, but things just didn't work out <xrdodrx> I'd say Canonical helped you guys Grow the Xubuntu Community, lol, a lot of people I know that use ubuntu switched to xubuntu and in fact convinced me too <charlie-tca> Any thing else we need to discuss? <charlie-tca> beardygnome: sounds like screensaver related panel issues too? <beardygnome> charlie-tca: i don't have xscreensaver <charlie-tca> hm <charlie-tca> that matters, too <charlie-tca> I haven't had any panel restarts here <xrdodrx> charlie-tca, I don't know if this is the right place for this or not but is thunar being slow on initial start a gnome bug? <xrdodrx> :s/gnome/xubuntu <charlie-tca> thunar slow in initial start is not gnome <beardygnome> it happens when i move windows from one workspace to another using the switcher applet <charlie-tca> it is Xfce, caused by the networking changes <mr_pouit> xrdodrx: something related to gvfs, but that's still unclear <charlie-tca> xrdodrx: make sure gvfs is running * charlie-tca too slow again <mr_pouit> there's an upstream bug for that, I think it's Xfce #7373 <charlie-tca> xfce bug 7373 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 7373 in slocate (Debian) "CAN-2003-0848: heap overflow in slocate" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/7373 <micahg> well, natty was the first major bump for xfce since jaunty, and I think it went a lot smoother <mr_pouit> ubottu: awesomely useless :) <ubottu> mr_pouit: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) <charlie-tca> well! that ain't it <micahg> xfce 7373 <mr_pouit> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7373 <ubottu> bugzilla.xfce.org bug 7373 in general "g_file_new_for_uri ("network://") seems to slow down Thunar's startup" [Normal,Assigned] <charlie-tca> That's it <xrdodrx> Alright, thanks for making such a good distro, I plan on sticking with it for as long if not longer than I used Ubuntu :) <charlie-tca> We try hard <charlie-tca> sometimes more successful than other times <jozefk> yeah it's seems xubuntu is the way to go :) <charlie-tca> beardygnome: did you file a bug for the panel thing? <charlie-tca> You probably should, using ubuntu-bug xfce4-panel, and attach ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/syslog <charlie-tca> Thank all of you for participating in this meeting! <charlie-tca> It is good to see new people not afraid to show up <charlie-tca> Let's go ahead and end the meeting and go back to work <charlie-tca> and by the way, next meeting is Monday May 31, 19:00 UTC, #xubuntu-devel (same place) <charlie-tca> I may be sorry for that, as it is an American Holiday, but we will see... <micahg> charlie-tca: working on memorial day? ;) <charlie-tca> Lot's of these people don't have memorial day, do they? <micahg> charlie-tca: should be fine <charlie-tca> That's my thought, although if there is a race on, I will be disappointed * xrdodrx marks calendar :) <micahg> mr_pouit: I don't want to step on your toes, would it help you if I request syncs for stuff you update in Debian? <micahg> relating to Xubuntu specifically <Soupermanito> sorry to be late to the discussion, but yesterday i installed 11.04 on my sister's laptop, and besides her computer being absolutely no linux friendly, thunar taked a hellalot of time to start and if i tried to open a ntfs drive it will take longer and then will open a 'warning could not mount' or something like that and after i close that it would open the window whit the proper ntfs folder i was trying to open <scott-work> charlie-tca: is xubuntu moving to wordpress on your own hosting or are you using canonical hosting? <charlie-tca> Soupermanito: that is part of that bug. I know Xfce is working on that issue, but it might take a bit for fix. <charlie-tca> scott-work: canonical <charlie-tca> We finally got a staging site set up by rt, but they won't let us use it <pleia2> yeah, we need to stage our theme elsewhere and then send it to them to review <scott-work> charlie-tca: i'm having trouble getting rt to give others access to the website to even update for releases <charlie-tca> They seem to be very hard to work with <charlie-tca> You can not decide who gets access in it? <Soupermanito> charlie-tca, i know i might be the only one here, so it doesnt really matters, but if you can set the next community meetings not on mondays it will allow me to participate more, again, just me, but mondays and thursdays are the only days i have to go to the university, where is where i should be going right now <Soupermanito> :) good luck to you all people <pleia2> scott-work: I can give others access <charlie-tca> Will give some more thought, Soupermanito <pleia2> (er, to xubuntu site anyway) <pleia2> they gave us admin in drupal so we can add users <Soupermanito> :) thank you charlie-tca have a nice day <charlie-tca> no problem <xrdodrx> I agree with Soup|away weekends would be better for me too, but of course it's up to the real devs :) <charlie-tca> xrdodrx: any weekday that will work? I really don't want to tie up my own weekends <xrdodrx> ChanServ, tuesday <charlie-tca> Maybe alternating weeks, Monday and Tuesday, would work. Let me examine things <xrdodrx> okay :D <charlie-tca> I will send that to the ML, and see what we can do <charlie-tca> I would really like to see Xubuntu grow, and to do that, we might have to change things here and there <charlie-tca> scott-work: Got to be a way to get RT to give you admin for others? <scott-work> charlie-tca: pleia2: i am only aware of one person who has access to the website and he is not involved except twice a year to change the release news on the website, but he's usually late by two to three weeks <xrdodrx> charlie-tca, if my friends are any indication interest is definitely on the rise :) <charlie-tca> That person should be the one that can add you to the access list <scott-work> charlie-tca: he states that i need to get my own <scott-work> i have asked for it and they sent it to me but used an old gpg key (which was my fault) but have asked for it to be sent again after i removed all the old gpg keys from launchpad <scott-work> and that was three or four months ago now <charlie-tca> scott-work: really? I will rattle some things and see whether or not I can shake it up then. <scott-work> asked for it = asked for acces with rt <charlie-tca> scott-work: of course, that may mean nothing. I haven't been able to get the staging site working for us <scott-work> charlie-tca: lol, but thank you very much though :) <charlie-tca> scott-work: I think they just put a lot of things off, really <scott-work> charlie-tca: i imagine they get a lot of requests, some trivial, some not so trivial <charlie-tca> You are kinder than me <charlie-tca> but probably more correct, too <drc> charlie-tca: I assume (yes, I know) that when the A1 milestone is reached that http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ will be active for 11.10 nightly build? <charlie-tca> yes <charlie-tca> hopefully both daily and daily-live will be active then <drc> ah...there is a difference.... <charlie-tca> daily-live is the desktop/live cd, daily is the alternate text installer <drc> OK, I'm in...I have an extra 10 gig I can partition off for testing. <charlie-tca> Grerat! <charlie-tca> well, great! too <charlie-tca> We will not see images until alpha1, normally <drc> Which do you need more, an "nightly update" testing or a "night install" testing <charlie-tca> install will fail more often for us, update fails more often because of something Ubuntu did <drc> OK...install it is <charlie-tca> I will upgrade to Oneiric on my production machine for alpha1, which lets me test the upgrade. <charlie-tca> I will then be using Oneiric until the next cycle <drc> I am assuming that a LiveUSB install will work (I can't afford to burn a new dvd every night) <charlie-tca> We hope so <drc> We'll test that too, then <charlie-tca> I usually go through over 100 cd-r's per cycle <charlie-tca> oops, 200 <pleia2> grub2 supports booting from isos, I've had very good luck installing grub2 on a usb stick and using the pristine isos <charlie-tca> I start each cycle with 200 here, and usually have to buy more <pleia2> no converting to usb stick <charlie-tca> older hardware, doesn't support usb boots <pleia2> yeah, you do have to have a machine can boot from usb (or a floppy drive to make it do so) <pleia2> we use the floppy disk trick for some machines at a school that won't pxe boot, but there are a lot of systems which are too new for floppy drives and too old for usb sticks <drc> Here's my hardware specs: http://pastebin.com/fb8087Uq <drc> og, I forgot to tae out the Intel video (I have the nvidia) <charlie-tca> Great system for testing <drc> no I didn't...I forgot to take out the <or> :( <charlie-tca> Can you add yourself to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/Testers <charlie-tca> I will have to update it for natty, I see. <drc> This was one of the first system that Dell pre-installed Ubuntu on...if X/Ubuntu won't work on this ststem something is wrong/changed. <charlie-tca> Very slight differences, but I have seen some of those that won't work well with the devel releases <drc> Well, we'll know that too, then :) <charlie-tca> yup <drc> charlie-tca: Request submitted <charlie-tca> thanks #xubuntu-devel 2011-05-24 <geoffrian> hello chaps <Unit193> I just wanted to pint this bug #784020 to https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg03803.html (If you read her comment, you will see what I'm talking about) <ubottu> Launchpad bug 784020 in Xubuntu Website "download page lies about disk size requirements" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/784020 <charlie-tca> It already installs in 3GB without modifying anything. <charlie-tca> I have to try for 2GB yet, but that won't fix the installer, will it? <charlie-tca> The bug is because the installer insists that the install won't work in anything less then 4.4gb, which is wrong for
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