#ubuntu-us-mi 2011-08-01 <snap-l> jrwren: Coolness. <snap-l> jrwren: Coming to CHC on Wednesday? <jrwren> probably not, but maybe i'll get away <jrwren> when is mug? this week or next? <rick_h_> 2nd tues <jrwren> so next week. cool. <rick_h_> hmm, what was that speaker rating site that was going around for a while? <snap-l> Not sure. <brousch> i'm frickin tired. who has coffee for me? <rick_h_> no kidding....dragggggggging <snap-l> I have coffee, but it'll be a bitch to ship <brousch> rick_h_ and snap-l: you both missed out on winning a book at lightning talks <snap-l> Bah <snap-l> Which books? <brousch> there was a tab;e full of them <snap-l> Ah, so winner's choice? <brousch> righ <brousch> wow, my typing is not good today <brousch> seemed like everything from apress and no starch <snap-l> Yeah, they seemed pretty well represented. <brousch> i picked PYthon for android using sl4a <brousch> http://www.apress.com/9781430235699 <rick_h_> brousch: hah, oh well <rick_h_> nice <snap-l> brousch: Nice! <rick_h_> congrats <snap-l> DIdn't know that book existed. <snap-l> Will need a review. Expecially on Amazon, sice it isn't there. ;) <snap-l> (any reviews, that is) <brousch> wow, weird <brousch> been out almost a month according to the apress page <snap-l> Well, that too and I stopped getting their newsletter. <snap-l> for a while they didn't have much in the way of Python coming out <snap-l> and then they drop books like that, and the update to Foundations of Network Python Programming <brousch> i got linda89@example.com. i think the left side of my brain is still sleeping. that half of my head feels heavy <snap-l> heh * greg-g waves at all the PyOhio folks <snap-l> Hey greg-g! Sorry we couldn't make your party last night <greg-g> no worries, bad timing/weekend for you pythonistas <rick_h_> greg-g: you're up early post-party <greg-g> rick_h_: you're telling me <greg-g> I about over slept. Was so tired that I set my alarm for 6:30pm. Woke up at 7:20 and rushed to go pay rent and get to the office by 8am <ptenhoopen> rick_h_: I liked your SQLAlchemy presentation. It was also fun trying to help out on the Bookie sprint even though we spent most of our time setting up! <rick_h_> ptenhoopen: awesome! Glad you liked the talk. <rick_h_> ptenhoopen: yea, but it was good. Even those that just set it up I think learned a little bit on some new things <rick_h_> not many people had done the virtualenv/bootstrap things and the fabric commands for helping to get things running <ptenhoopen> Exactly! <rick_h_> so hopefully it was useful for both me/them <ptenhoopen> It was. <rick_h_> as I learned I have some very weak points in my setup <rick_h_> and I've already started to redo some docs and update some of the scripts <ptenhoopen> I'll be happy to test them. <rick_h_> really appreciate everyone that helped with it. I still had fun :) <rick_h_> awesome, thanks <ptenhoopen> I need to finish the SQLAlchemy homework you gave us. It was too dang hot in that classroom for me to think! <rick_h_> ptenhoopen: yea no kidding <rick_h_> while it sucked to watch everyone leave, I couldn't blame anyone. <rick_h_> I didn't want to stay in there lol <ptenhoopen> 85 degrees and climbing <rick_h_> feel free to ping me on any of that. I still hope some people try it and help with some of the poor reputation points <ptenhoopen> Cool <brousch> reputation points? <jrwren> rick_h_: speakerrate <jrwren> http://speakerrate.com/ <ptenhoopen> rick_h_: Are you saying that some people didn't like that SQLAlchemy talk? <ptenhoopen> Or the reputation of SQLAlchemy? <rick_h_> the rep of sqlalchemy as a tool <rick_h_> because of all it can do, and the completeness, it's got a reputation as hard to get into, bloated, more than you need, etc <rick_h_> my goal was more to fight those initial pain points <rick_h_> jrwren: that's it <rick_h_> thanks <brousch> it is more than you need. every tool is. however the good tools don't let all the power get in the way of what you need it for <rick_h_> http://blog.mitechie.com/2011/08/01/pyohio-2011-another-year-another-great-time/ <rick_h_> my sumnmary <brousch> how the hell did you write a blog post already? <rick_h_> I got up, and started writing a post :) <jrwren> he is rick_h_ <brousch> i'm still combing through my feeds/email <rick_h_> work will want a summary, so I'm doing it on day job time <rick_h_> ah, well I have a boy that gets up at 6:30 <jrwren> prune your feeds/email. <rick_h_> and I did most of that catch up when I got home last night <snap-l> Heh, I'm so far behind on feeds it's not even funny. <snap-l> But I'll get back up to date ar some point. ;) <snap-l> rick_h_: Awesome summary. <rick_h_> ty <snap-l> I'll be blogging mine sometime this weekn <snap-l> Right now, though, it is time to make a presentation for work. <snap-l> Which is why I'm chatting on IRC. ;) <rick_h_> lol <jrwren> declare feed bankruptcy. its easy. <snap-l> Yeah, I will <snap-l> Wow, the filenames generated by Ubuntu / GNOME's screenshot utility are actively Windows Hostile. ;) <brousch> aren't they just Screenshot1.png etc? <snap-l> Not with Chrome handling the titme. <snap-l> title, even <brousch> talk to your wife. i will not tityou <snap-l> Not even a little twist? <brousch> nyet <snap-l> *whimper* * greg-g walks away slowly <brousch> greg-g: imagine what will happen here when you're no longer around to enforce manners ;) * greg-g shudders <snap-l> heh <snap-l> Apparently I had a little glitch <snap-l> Neato, I think I blew up my fonts. <snap-l> Added Tahoma via the easy to use font installer, and now Impress / Writer won't start. <greg-g> no one here happens to have a photo of me presenting anything, do they? <locodir-user_> hey whats up <locodir-user_> I need some help <locodir-user_> plzz <greg-g> hello there <greg-g> please ask your question <snap-l> greg-g: I thought I had a picture of you presenting at MUG, but I'm not finding it at the moment <greg-g> yeah, weird <greg-g> I can't find any either <snap-l> I love when social sites (like the work social site) ask you to complete your user profile <snap-l> as if the little bit that made me uncomfortable to enter in the first place wasn't enough <snap-l> "sure, here's my twitter, where I use naughty words, and have strong opinions" <snap-l> "And my blog, where I do more of the same in more than 140 characters" <greg-g> :) <snap-l> greg-g: Uploading the one photo I took from that meeting. <greg-g> sweet! <greg-g> also, that IRC webchat thing on the LoCoDir might get annoying, though that was the first one I saw <locodir-user_> hey thats me again <snap-l> noted. <rick_h_> snap-l: ooh, good find <brousch> greg-g: if you have video, you can cut out a single frame of you presenting <snap-l> https://picasaweb.google.com/craigmaloney/UbuntuMUG <locodir-user_> ok Im stucking in this 2 questions and I hope you guys help me <locodir-user_> 1. Write a shell script that will give the user 5 chances to pick your favorite color. 2. Write a shell script that will continue to ask for words until the user types in quit. All of the words typed in should be stored in a file called words in the current directory. <_stink_> is this for a class assignment? <brousch> locodir-user_: is this homework? <rick_h_> lol <locodir-user_> yess <locodir-user_> the instructor is beyond good so thats why im here !! <locodir-user_> lol <snap-l> greg-g: Got what you need? <locodir-user_> the script <locodir-user_> if you could <brousch> locodir-user_: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ <snap-l> locodir-user_: That was directed at another user. <snap-l> locodir-user_: In IRC, if you're directing conversation at a user, it's polite to use their name when doing so. :) <rick_h_> locodir-user_: so, going to say this as nicely as possible. The guys/gals here are great and helpful. But no one is going to write your script for you <greg-g> snap-l: hah, I look funny, thanks :) <greg-g> brousch: good point, lemme see if I have anything good. <rick_h_> if you have a specific question about some aspect, or want help with a script you're writing, you can paste what you have so far in http://paste.mitechie.com <rick_h_> and people are very helpful <snap-l> greg-g: I don't think I look anything like my pictures. ;) <jrwren> the ##csharp channel actually says NO HOMEWORK in the topic. we've never really need to spell it out here :) <locodir-user_> well the problem is I havent done nothing yet because idk where to start , like i know I gotta use the if statment <jrwren> wow, never programmed before eh? <greg-g> locodir-user_: does your teacher have a time you can meet with them to get help? <rick_h_> locodir-user_: what class/school is this? <jrwren> and shell is your first language? sounds fun. <_stink_> yeah, gawd, shell as first language. <locodir-user_> the instructor never done a hands on <locodir-user_> in the class <rick_h_> right, but I'm going to guess that you've got a book, some lecture notes, "idk where to start" seems a bit of a stretch <jrwren> I love shell. if you are a cmd person, its a great first lang <_stink_> locodir-user_: i'd suggest looking for a bash scripting tutorial, and combine that with the link brousch gave above: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ <jrwren> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=bash+tutorial <jrwren> locodir-user_: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=bash+tutorial :) <locodir-user_> I dont have notes because all what he do just open the book and go through the chapters like its a history class <greg-g> brousch: what would you use to cut the single frame? <brousch> greg-g: ffmpeg split to jpeg, lemme see if i can find it <locodir-user_> anyways thank you guys for your time and I dont blame ya <greg-g> be sure to check out those links, locodir-user_ :) <_stink_> locodir-user_: learn about how to get user input; how to show the user output; how to use if statements, and how to use a for loop. <_stink_> with that, you should be able to get something started <locodir-user_> I'll try although my test is n 2 hrs <brousch> greg-g: actually it looks pretty easy in openshot <brousch> trim down the video to a few seconds, export video as image sequence * greg-g nods <brousch> it's in Export video, Advanced tab, Advanced options <jrwren> poor kid. <snap-l> Yeah <snap-l> And here's where I say "fuck presentations, it's a live demo" <brousch> snap-l: eh? <snap-l> Fighting with powerpoint is not something I particularly care to do. ;) <snap-l> So I am better using the time to figure out LiveMeeting instead. <snap-l> Which, of course, is proving to be the proverbial needle in haystack <snap-l> I swear, corporate web portals need to be abolished. <brousch> ug, impress gave me fits so i used S5 <brousch> pdfs for presentations are good if they support the media you need <snap-l> Yes, but our lovely company has a standard template for how PowerPoint should be used. <Blazeix> PDFs + Impressive are the way to go <snap-l> And sending out anything that looks like a collection of pages in a presentation format is likely to fall under the "PowerPoint" moniker. <Blazeix> though S5 looks cool <Blazeix> it should add CSS3 transitions :) <brousch> Blazeix: i came up with a couple of ideas for s5 improvements due to my presentation saturday <Blazeix> there are a ton of web-based presentation apps out there, I haven't had time to really look at them all. <brousch> using notes was hard. i had to alt-tab back and forth to advance the slide, scroll my notes <brousch> i was thinking of making the browser stretch across both monitors, then have a vertical divider you can position where you want it. slides on the projector side, notes on the screen side. then they'd advance together <rick_h_> brousch: I think as you do more presentations <rick_h_> you tend to get more into a story a slide and can recall/do it on the fly vs notes like that <jrwren> the github founder wrote and s5 replacement/killer <brousch> rick_h_: i can't speak without a script. i am horrible <rick_h_> one of the pains of the html presentations are the ones that don't support working via the presentation remote <jrwren> brousch: just use 2 browser windows and script their sync <rick_h_> where you need to use arrows vs click/etc <Blazeix> jrwren++ <Blazeix> jrwren: do you recall the name/link to that s5 competitor? My searches are coming up dry <jrwren> i'll look <jrwren> http://schacon.github.com/ wrote it <jrwren> showoff <jrwren> https://github.com/schacon/showoff <jrwren> not really s5 since i see its a sinatra app <brousch> a whowha? <Blazeix> thanks <jrwren> yw <brousch> there is some kind of weird disconnect between the title of this book and its description http://www.apress.com/9781430235699 <jrwren> zomg https://code.google.com/p/ganeti/ <brousch> the title is Pro Python for android, the description is Pro Scripting, and includes oither languages <snap-l> rick_h_: Did we need to come back from pyOhio? <snap-l> I'm starting to think that was a mistake. ;) <brousch> snap-l: my python/android book is on amazon http://www.amazon.com/Android-Python-SL4A-Paul-Ferrill/dp/1430235691 <brousch> well, the book that i won, not my book <brousch> bah, but it has the wrong description, like the apress site <brousch> i submitted that bug to apress already <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, I put it in my wishlist already. <brousch> rick_h_: I sense restraint in your description of my talk in your blog post. I'm sure I pushed at least 2 of your buttons <snap-l> wtf, wsgi lite? <brousch> snap-l: wft. are you viewing my screen? <brousch> i just hit that article 1 minute ago <snap-l> Get off of reddit. ;) <brousch> it was in my google reader feed, python planet i think <rick_h_> bah, wsgi lite was so last night <rick_h_> brousch: what buttons? Thought it was fine <brousch> :P <rick_h_> I think I'm mellowing in my old age <jrwren> wsgi is already pretty lite isn't it? <rick_h_> jrwren: heh, you don't want to know <jrwren> noted <brousch> what we missed because we went to pyohio: https://plus.google.com/photos/105030465637303791249/albums/5635519623583589521 <jrwren> nah, that is just what rob saw. there was way cooler stuff than that at maker fair <jrwren> although the bikes and the dragon were damned sweet. <brousch> you went? <jrwren> yes <brousch> where's your giant photo gallery? <jrwren> i didn't take any pics. <brousch> boo <jrwren> well, I took one. <jrwren> i was too busy seeing and doing than shooting photo <brousch> yeah, that happens at the best events <brousch> i took 1 photo at pyohio <brousch> automated head-mounted cameras should help with that issue <brousch> see any of those at makerfaire? <jrwren> nope <brousch> hm <brousch> should be able to embed it in a hat <brousch> could just write an app and tape duct-tape an android phone to my head. snap pic, autoupload <brousch> heck, i have most of that code already written <ptenhoopen> brousch: It'd be handy to have a remote shutter switch. <brousch> hm <brousch> some sort of bluetooth thing <ptenhoopen> Yea, sure <ptenhoopen> That'd work <brousch> or you could get fancy and do some image recognition. when you hold up your middle finger where the cam can se it, it snaps a pic a second later <ptenhoopen> That'd generate some interesting photos I suspect. <locodir-user> any cool ppl n here would help me in my test <locodir-user> come on michiganders <brousch> i hate bash <brousch> can you write it in python? <Blazeix> too much for him to handle, brousch :) <TeamXlink> There is a TDM 2v2 QuakeWorld Tourney being hosted, if anyone is interested in signing up. http://qwsta.info/ #ubuntu-us-mi 2011-08-02 <jrwren> what is TDM? <jrwren> hate bash???? *gasp* <jrwren> I love bash <rick_h_> team death match? <jrwren> ah. <snap-l> brousch: Can you write it in Python. Sheesh. <snap-l> Also, we're not cool. <snap-l> http://hardocp.com/article/2011/07/26/thermalright_hr02_macho_cpu_air_cooler_review <- What the fuck? <snap-l> I'd be worried that the CPU fan would warp the mobo at that height. <snap-l> https://twitter.com/#!/joindiaspora/statuses/98186624780873728 <snap-l> Seriously? <rick_h_> :) <rick_h_> love that <snap-l> There's just no good way to read that <snap-l> either a) they weren't running with a slave, and don't know much about MySQL, or b) They have such a crappy server that it couldn't take the replication load, and nobody coded the site to be run in read-only mode. <Blazeix> I'm pretty ignorant of diaspora, but isn't it decentralized? <Blazeix> is this just the main node? <snap-l> Maybe there's a combo of things, but seriously, adding a slave should be transparent <rick_h_> wsan't there some thing that to get it to work you had to register your node with the main node? <snap-l> Blazeix: This is the main node, but I'm not sure what would cause the downtime. <snap-l> Unless they're doing an upgrade as well <rick_h_> come on, why isn't it put out over diaspora vs on twitter? <rick_h_> I mean, if you're using it, wouldn't you be likely following them there? <snap-l> *cough* <rick_h_> snap-l: heh, time to to 4 to 5 transition :P <rick_h_> and dammit, stop using mysql ugh <snap-l> Apparently it's up <snap-l> Maybe someone got some sense. <rick_h_> you should volunteer, I hear htey have $$ to get some good sys admin help <snap-l> Yeah, that would be a great gig <snap-l> I mean, if I fucked up, would both of their users notice? <snap-l> "Woah, need some overtime. Gotta put in a new 'MySQL Slave' server". <snap-l> I mean shit, we practically juggled some of our slave servers. <brousch> snap-l: you see the sysadmin at gnu job opening? <snap-l> Yes <snap-l> I'd have to move to take a paycut <snap-l> Fascinated that they're using Apache, though <brousch> but freedom! <snap-l> I would have thought that wouldn't jive with the FSF <jjesse> who needs money when you are living on freedom <jrwren> is there a GNU web server? <jrwren> they should write one in lisp. <TeamXlink> Does anyone know why this isn't working: <TeamXlink> http://pastebin.com/rQuDBgnV <TeamXlink> http://pastebin.com/qKg2zQVN <TeamXlink> the second file is the index.php <TeamXlink> the first file is the index.html <TeamXlink> Its supposed to log the visitors ip to the file called: myvisitors <_stink_> TeamXlink: a php file isn't included as a script in an HTML file like a javascript file is. <TeamXlink> Oh. <_stink_> what you need is to run this on an instance of a web server that can run php <_stink_> TeamXlink: this might say more about getting started: http://w3schools.com/php/default.asp <_stink_> but i'm afk for a bit. if you don't get it, i'm sure i/someone can help tomorrow. <Blazeix> https://twitter.com/#!/humble/status/98077015328038912 <Blazeix> "@humble: All Humble Indie Bundle #3 customers get a free copy of Steel Storm: Burning Retribution! http://t.co/NcNDZka " <snap-l> Blazeix: Yeah, that's awesome. :) <snap-l> http://decafbad.net/2011/08/02/echochasm-libre/ <Wolfger> morning <rick_h_> party <jrwren> quick poll: do you look at the contents of files in /lost+found or do you just delete tehm all? <snap-l> jrwren: it depends <snap-l> am I missing something or aren't I <rick_h_> delete <jrwren> sure, but that assumes you notice it missing. what if you delete adn notice it missing 5 yrs from now :) <jrwren> i ask because my cron.daily emails me and tells me to clean 'em up. <snap-l> Then you live and learn? <snap-l> I guess my question is why are you collecting so much in lost+found in the first place <jrwren> ha! or I learn the easy way and check first the first time. <snap-l> and is it taking up so much space that it's becoming a problem? <jrwren> these are files from 2008-08-07 to 2009-02-03 :) <jrwren> no, not taking any space. <jrwren> I just want to limit the output of my cron.daily, to hopefully nothing so that I don't get email. <jrwren> and I want to do it the right way :) <snap-l> Frankly, I'd leave them there, or do a quick file on them to see what they might be <snap-l> and stop shutting down your filesystem uncleanly. ;) <jrwren> I'm lessing each one, so far its been stuff I don't care about. <jrwren> i can't help it if there is a power outage. <snap-l> Journaled Filesystem <jrwren> I'm too cheap for UPS <jrwren> this is ext3, sheesh, that doesn't mean things don't go to l+f <snap-l> Right <jrwren> I had one of those seagate drives with teh bad firmware for a while. that lead to lots of instability <snap-l> jrwren: Which one? ;) <snap-l> Seagate made some real stinkers <jrwren> it was a 750G IIRC but it was the one that was really noticed in their popular 1.5TB drives <jrwren> at least it runs cool. <jrwren> I have this 500GB Maxtor that runs hot as fire. <snap-l> Ah, was thinking of the 1GB one that I had to RMA <snap-l> which was also being used on one of our servers at WSU <snap-l> summarilly, each one of them went to hell <jrwren> was it that firmware issue? <jrwren> oh wait... 1GB not 1TB :) <jrwren> that would have been a WHILE ago :) <snap-l> Yeah, it was <jrwren> only 15 yrs or so <jrwren> err.. i guess not quite 15 yrs <jrwren> anyone else here use testdrive ? or is it just me? <snap-l> What's testdrive? <jrwren> zsync's an current ubundu-dev iso and boots it with KVM for you. <jrwren> its very sweet, but the 11.10 installer stops recognizing KB input for me when it asks me to create the default user. <snap-l> "I like this Craig Maloney Â» Post Topic Â» A simple object lesson on whatâs wrong with the music industry â dumping , enjoyed this one appreciate it for posting keep update Craig Maloney Â» Post Topic Â» A simple object lesson on whatâs wrong with the music industry â dumping." - Spammers aren't even trying anymore. ;) <_stink_> i have bought all 3 humble bundles, and played about 15 minutes total of the games included. <greg-g> I played a bit of world of goo <greg-g> "and yet it moves" looks like it might be a contender <snap-l> Heh. :) <snap-l> If anything it's giving people more games to play than just Frozen bubble <Wolfger> world of goo was entertaining for a day, then I kind of forgot it existed <Wolfger> whenever anybody mentions it, I remember it fondly... <greg-g> :) * Wolfger wonders if goo exists for Android phones <Wolfger> doesn't look like it <brousch> snap-l: Whats the difference between a drummer and a drum machine? <brousch> You only have to punch the information into a drum machine once. <snap-l> Har har <snap-l> brousch: So, did you listen to Libre? <brousch> no, i have the page up though <brousch> i just got back from the dentist. will it be more pleasant than that? <snap-l> Maybe. <greg-g> depends on what happened at the dentist's <brousch> snap-l: sounds good <brousch> just a cleaning. still no cavities <snap-l> Thanks. :) <brousch> i'd like to hear crazy drumming when it thins out at about 49s <snap-l> I was trying to go for something like FLA's Millenium <snap-l> Didn't quite get there, though <brousch> the end doesn't quite fit with the rest of it <brousch> so i love everything but the middle and the end <snap-l> Thank you. ;) <snap-l> Unfortunately, I didn't know how to end it, so I decided to nuke it from orbit. ;) <brousch> endings are hard, let's go nuking <brousch> oh, that reminds me, pyohio is over, i wanted to check out scratch <brousch> http://scratch.mit.edu/ <brousch> I'm so proud of myself. I was wondering "where can I get free sound files?" i found it myself without having to ask greg-g <jcastro> hah <jcastro> this is so rick: http://danielchoi.com/software/vitunes.html <binbrain> jcastro: how's FL? <rick_h_> jcastro: hah, saw that. But where will I run iTunse? <rick_h_> there's no place to run it on in my house <jcastro> binbrain: pretty awesome I must say <snap-l> I'll go get the duck tape <greg-g> brousch: you get the special cookie for today <brousch> http://www.freesound.org/ <greg-g> cool coo <greg-g> l <rick_h_> ugh, I'm still pyohio dragging <Wolfger> binbrain: Ask jcastro again after the first hurricane hits his city :-D <Wolfger> Surprise, surprise. At the last minute, politicians vote to raise their own debt ceiling. <Wolfger> I think I called that a month ago. <Wolfger> Shh. He's here now, quit talking about him. * Wolfger is glad nullspace doesn't read the archives... <snap-l> I know we've given up on meaningful names, but this is just ridiculous: http://oreilly.com/catalog/9781449306595/ <snap-l> Learning SPARQL <Wolfger> It's new and... you know... sparkly <Wolfger> I think it's a pretty nifty name, myself. <Wolfger> far better than MySQL or Postgres <Wolfger> DB2. MSSQL. <Wolfger> Oracle is a decent name for a database. <rick_h_> and this is why we don't let Wolfger run our IT depts :P <Wolfger> LOL <Wolfger> No. <Wolfger> I don't buy software based on the name. <Wolfger> But I can appreciate good marketing when I see it. <Wolfger> Come on... if I made decisions base on names, do you think I ever would have tried Kubuntu (gesundheit)? <rick_h_> sure, I heard your favorite letter was K <brousch> yeah, right. you use kubuntu because you love choqok <nullspace> hmm, I really have no urge to go to ohio linux fest for the talks <rick_h_> nullspace: yea, been that way for years <nullspace> the drive sucks, and the beer tickets are all gone by the time I get there <nullspace> rick_h_: how was pyohio? <jrwren> but you go to socialize, right? <rick_h_> very cool, http://blog.mitechie.com/2011/08/01/pyohio-2011-another-year-another-great-time/ <rick_h_> jrwren: I skipped one year <jrwren> i haven't been in 4 yrs or so. i really want to go this year. <Wolfger> socialize? Beer! <rick_h_> I'm going this year and I htink lococast is going to get an OSS table <nullspace> nah I'm going to derbyCon <rick_h_> setup some mics and try to hang out and such <jrwren> cool. <ptenhoopen> Last year at Ohio Linux Fest, there was no shortage of drink tickets. <ptenhoopen> They were handing them out 10-15 at a time towards the end. <ptenhoopen> nagios flipped the bill <rick_h_> nice <ptenhoopen> Maybe that should have been 'footed'. <ptenhoopen> IDK <brousch> snap-l: jono just tweeted your remix <snap-l> Yeah, I saw that <brousch> yougoboy <brousch> rick_h_: did i miss a vim open space at pyohio? <rick_h_> brousch: no, just a guy was looking for me and we ended up chatting vim <brousch> ah, ok <rick_h_> I guess he was in one of the vim open spaces I did at OLF/PyOhio in years past and wanted to chat <snap-l> So, 3pm <snap-l> Tuesday afternoon <snap-l> Believe the "make the world a better place" goal for today is coming just a tad shy of completion <brousch> but you released some music. that makes the world better <snap-l> yeah, it does. <snap-l> Just getting ready for tomorrow's big meeting <snap-l> well, tomorrow's "shouldn't be a big meeting, but thanks to my current boss who believes that the only way to show progress is to schedule a big meeting" meeting <brousch> your big travelling meeting? <snap-l> That I'm not traveling for, yes. ;) <snap-l> tomorrow will be interesting. <brousch> you're so important they're setting you up with a virtual presence? <snap-l> yeah, Netmeeting <snap-l> It's like almost being there <snap-l> And a conference call bridge <brousch> not one of those segway-mounted monitors? <snap-l> It'll be almost like you can hear me being sarcastic <snap-l> brousch: No, we're the phone company, not fucking iRobot. ;) <brousch> weak <snap-l> heh <snap-l> well, sorry to disappoint <snap-l> http://ohiolinux.org/node/67 <- Oh God. <brousch> he was keynote or closing at indiana linuxfest, maybe ptenhoopen has some insights into how awesome he was <jrwren> freetard keynote <ptenhoopen> He was OK. Seemed a bit self-centered. <jrwren> Imma make a cheerful that says "MIT > GNU" and wave it around during his keynote <ptenhoopen> Seemed to be very knowledgeable regarding licensing, patents, etc. <waldo323_> who is planning on going to OLF this year? <snap-l> Oh, no doubt. <jrwren> hitler was knowledgeable. <ptenhoopen> LOL <jrwren> yes, i went there. :) <ptenhoopen> I know of 2 others besides myself who are planning on going. <snap-l> I just registered. <rick_h_> oh crap, now I'm not going <jrwren> i'm not either. because of the date :( <snap-l> http://www.defectivebydesign.org/nook <- sigh <snap-l> "Do you use Twitter? Let @nookBN know that you won't buy a Nook until they drop DRM. But please don't use Twitter on account of us." <snap-l> "Comment on news stories and reviews of the Nook to warn shoppers about its DRM." <brousch> so the nook is evil because it can read drm? <brousch> it can also read non-drm <snap-l> "Bring cans of spray-glue to your local B&N to and spray the devices down liberally. Then attach your cheek to them, symbolizing the stickiness of DRM" <brousch> ug <brousch> 3/4 of the books i read on my nook are sitting in my dropbox <TeamXlink> http://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/j4v6p/this_whole_discussion_is_amazing_top_comment_why/c29f4ny?context=1 <TeamXlink> Title: "This whole discussion is amazing. Top comment: "Why are there moderators on an anarchism sub reddit?" " <TeamXlink> http://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/commenThat guys a genius <jrwren> is kindle ok? <snap-l> jrwren: No, any DRM is bad <jrwren> is ITMS ok now, since they dont' DRM the mp3 anymore? <snap-l> I really hate corporate IT sites <snap-l> "Important: In order to get started with Live Meeting, you need to first Register for a Live Meeting Account. Then, get assistance on how to properly setup your user preferences." <snap-l> Of course, the words "Register ... Account" are bolded <snap-l> and don't link to a fucking thing. <snap-l> All I want to do is schedule a meeting <snap-l> god, what a pain in the ass <snap-l> reason I was having trouble was because of Firefox vs. IE <snap-l> because MS products don't crap out in explainable ways when they don't have IE <snap-l> Hey, vimmers, how would I change a list of names (lastname, firstname mi) to (firstname mi lastname)? <_stink_> if i were doing that, i'd do it with macros, which may not be the smartest way. <_stink_> record a macro for one line, go to the next line, end recording <_stink_> record a second macro doing the first macro for like 10 lines <_stink_> the run the second macro repeatedly <snap-l> hmm, that' sone way <_stink_> it's an unsatisfying way. :) <snap-l> looking for a %s/ ... /.. /g rule, though <_stink_> yeah <snap-l> I thought you could use $1, but that's not right. <snap-l> found it <snap-l> %s/\(.*\), \(.*\)/\2 \1/g <_stink_> dang. * _stink_ notes <gamerchick02> hey everyone! I have a job interview Thursday. * gamerchick02 does a happydance around her house <brousch> where at? <gamerchick02> MGA Testing. <gamerchick02> MGA Research. sorry <brousch> oooh, they have robots <gamerchick02> hahaha! <gamerchick02> robots are awesome. <gamerchick02> it looks like sled testing and stuff <brousch> like snow sleds? <gamerchick02> crash sleds <gamerchick02> where they put car bits on it, crash it, and see how the dummy deforms the parts <brousch> fun <gamerchick02> usually for columns, i-shafts, wheels, etc <gamerchick02> i-shaft = intermediate shaft. please no shaft jokes <greg-g> none here <gamerchick02> :) <gamerchick02> i did a test at delphi with grease... yeah... i was describing it to my family: "so i had to grease the shaft and test the sliding force." <gamerchick02> yeah. *hands head in shame* <gamerchick02> no puns from the peanut gallery? <brousch> none necessary <gamerchick02> :) <snap-l> gamerchick02: Congratulations! <snap-l> Sounds like the stuff that was at Ford <gamerchick02> thanks. it's a testing place, and i have no idea what it's about. <snap-l> Means they'll do a lot of simulation <gamerchick02> i had a strange phone call, and it was like, boom, interview. <snap-l> Programs like Madymo, etc <snap-l> That's usually how that starts. <gamerchick02> no contact with them before the phone call "do you want an interview" <gamerchick02> uhm, YES! <gamerchick02> :) #ubuntu-us-mi 2011-08-03 <gamerchick02> ok <snap-l> No thanks, I'd rather sit on my heels <gamerchick02> i'm off to fall asleep on the couch, or something <gamerchick02> LOL <gamerchick02> yeah. i'd rather sit here and not make any money. :-P <gamerchick02> ok, i'm off <gamerchick02> see everyone tomorrow, i guess. <jrwren> flowscan and flow-tools anyone? <rick_h_> nope, never heard of <jrwren> i wish someone would grease my shaft and test the sliding force. <jrwren> they are opensource rflow tools. this seems to be an area lacking in open source. <TeamXlink> Q: <TeamXlink> I have 2 copies of StarCraft, the one I originally got a long ways back and the one that came with the battlechest that I picked up at a garage sale a few years ago. <TeamXlink> What would be the difference between mailing it too one of my friends. <TeamXlink> And uploading it and giving them the cd key too. <TeamXlink> The one I'd be giving them, hasn't been opened and registered on battlenet yet. <TeamXlink> Would it be considered piracy? <snap-l> TeamXlink: I am not a lawyer <TeamXlink> So this isn't legal advice......... <snap-l> TeamXlink: But I would say that mailing it to your friend would be preferable <TeamXlink> But why would it be any different though? <snap-l> because uploading it and then giving your friend the CD key technically isn't piracy <snap-l> but you don't have to prove it to someone technical <TeamXlink> Oh, it isn't? <snap-l> you have to prove it to someone who isn't technical <TeamXlink> Ah. <snap-l> and frankly, I wouldn't take that gamble. <TeamXlink> How is it technically not piracy though? <snap-l> Well, to me, the license is with the key, not the medium <snap-l> however, someone non-technical wouldn't see it that way <TeamXlink> I don't see the difference between uploading it + giving him the cd key and mailing it. <TeamXlink> Other then one saves postage <snap-l> They'd see you uploading the CD as possibly infringing <snap-l> TeamXlink: Send it media mail <snap-l> Media mail is cheap <TeamXlink> media mail? <snap-l> Yes. <TeamXlink> hmmmmmm <snap-l> http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/173.htm <TeamXlink> Ah, I see. <snap-l> https://github.com/kobolabs/Kobo-Reader <Blazeix> huh. kobo runs Qt? <TeamXlink> Ah trolling, the internet's past time. <Wolfger> I thought the internet's pastime was feeding the trolls... <snap-l> Wolfger: Depends on what side of the fence you're on. <rick_h_> morning <Wolfger> I like both sides <Wolfger> party <snap-l> Good morning <snap-l> "As someone who has bought Drupal books from Packt, I am pleased to invite you to the private launch of our new PacktLib Drupal library. " <snap-l> Oh boy! <rick_h_> wheee <snap-l> It's like Christmas in July, only it's August, and I don't give a shit. <snap-l> Annual subscription of 9.99 for 30 Packt titles, though. <snap-l> Or you could just buy the handful of good books, and have money left over. <brousch> so, not a packt fan? <snap-l> Not really <snap-l> They seem to shovel out books that aren't very well put together <snap-l> Put another way: a strong author will make a very strong book regardless of the publisher. A weak author will make crap if the publisher doesn't help out. <snap-l> I think O'Reilly and Apress do more for their authors than Packt. <snap-l> AWesome. RIM launched three new devices nobody cares about: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/aug/03/rim-blackberry-launch <brousch> is the hp webos tablet out? <rick_h_> yea, been out a while <rick_h_> got it's first ota update this week <brousch> i haven't heard anything about it <rick_h_> it was a big "meh" <brousch> not even whether is sux/rox <rick_h_> see above <rick_h_> mainly it came down to poor build quality and lacking app ecosystem <rick_h_> snap-l: heh, call me when BB is running QNX on phones and we can chat I guess <rick_h_> there shouldn ' <snap-l> rick_h_: Yeah, I'm sure that'll be an exciting day. <rick_h_> shouldn't be another release of the old BBOS <jrwren> you want a playbook? <rick_h_> nope <rick_h_> but I think their new OS is their only hope in keeping up with the smart phone market <rick_h_> their old one is too windows 95 <brousch> i'd like to see webos succeed <rick_h_> +1 <rick_h_> I'm hoping they get the palm3 out there and rocking by this holiday season so I can give it a real loko <snap-l> Yeah, but HP is extremely good at keeping things alive that should be taken out back and shot <snap-l> witness HP-UX. ;) <snap-l> I'll note that nobody in this room is clamouring to defend HP-UX. ;) <brousch> i have never used it <snap-l> It's like what you might expect from a corporate UNIX <snap-l> strange directory placement, admin interfaces that hide the gory details, etc. <jrwren> snap-l: VMS :) <snap-l> Oh, and the complete absense of any compiler of note without a license. <snap-l> jrwren: VMS is awesome. What are you talking about? :) <jrwren> its still alive. <jrwren> no copmiler... so its just like EVERY other commercial unix that isn't OSX <jrwren> solaris - ships with no compiler. <jrwren> tru64 - no compiler <jrwren> what else is there? <jrwren> but gcc is pretty easy to build on all of those. <snap-l> Bootstrap, yes. <snap-l> I wouldn't say easy to build, though. ;) <snap-l> At least, not 10 years ago <brousch> build? <snap-l> brousch: Have you ever used any UNIX other than Linux? <brousch> solaris way back in college <rick_h_> ok, I'm going to have to disconnect from the internet today <rick_h_> I'm ultra sensitive to the "stupid" today <snap-l> On most, if not all commercial UNIX machines, they only ship with a rudimentary K&R compiler <snap-l> rick_h_: What's wrong now? <rick_h_> "How to include an image in a blog post using ReST ?" is the straw that broke... <snap-l> brousch: So if you wanted to compile things (like GNU Utilities) from source, you can't <rick_h_> on the blogofile mailing list <snap-l> rick_h_: Serously? <rick_h_> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/blogofile-discuss/yf3CY_rOy7s/discussion <rick_h_> and see #pyramid and #sqlalchemy for the warm up materials <rick_h_> " so, now i have my model - some mako templates ... and how do i get the data from the db now? and into it? :D <rick_h_> " <rick_h_> "elmcrest: you know, I think the demo wiki app thing can help with that" <rick_h_> response: "elmcrest> damn docs :D" <rick_h_> yes, you're going to figure out how to use sqlalchemy, mako, and all of pyramid without the docs...was that really your expectation? <Blazeix> it's python, it should just work <snap-l> brousch: So if you want to build anything, you'll need a compiler, and gcc can be "bootstrapped" via the K&R compiler. <Blazeix> he should be able to type in 'import myapp' and be up and running <rick_h_> Blazeix: damn, got me. "There should be only one true way to do things..." <snap-l> brousch: The K&R compiler is generally used on commercial UNIX to compile kernel stuff, but has just enough to get GCC going <rick_h_> *sigh* so I have this cool client side calculator and they client doesn't it to auto update after they change each value <snap-l> brousch: And then, once bootstrapped, you can compile GCC using GCC. <rick_h_> they're forcing me to put a big calculate button on the page <snap-l> rick_h_: nice. <snap-l> rick_h_: Sure we should have bar-room coders tonight? <brousch> you can't just calculate after each entry? <rick_h_> brousch: no, they don't like the magic I guess <rick_h_> they're quite firm on it <brousch> ah, so they want it to feel like a meatspace calculator <snap-l> rick_h_: Which one of them has Javascript turned off? <rick_h_> and they don't want me to popup the docs for each changed item automatically. They want an additional column with a big checkbox. <rick_h_> snap-l: hopefully none of them, this whole damn this is a client side calculator/simulator <rick_h_> *sigh* "Please take your cool working demo and just suck it up a bit for us. kthx!" <brousch> next they will want you to make the page look like a TI-82 <brousch> maybe add a little solar cell image near the top <rick_h_> snap-l: where's post-MUG been lately? <snap-l> brousch: Nah, HP12C <snap-l> Shields <snap-l> They have an awesome veggie pizza, if I might say so <rick_h_> cool <rick_h_> boss is going to make the next few mug meetings he says and was curious <snap-l> Very cool <snap-l> Depending on how this meeting goes, I may be hitting him up for some favors. ;) <rick_h_> hah, is that today? <snap-l> Yep <rick_h_> maybe we need BHC for you today then <snap-l> rick_h_: Nah, I'll just bring a big ol' bottle of Kahlua to CHC, and ask them to "use that" <snap-l> Speaking of which, time to add 75 people manually to a Live Meeting. <snap-l> brb. <rick_h_> ouch <brousch> osx just keeps beckoning to rick_h_ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/02/apple_dumps_mysql_from_mac_os_x_server/ <rick_h_> "The previous version of the OS â Snow Leopard Server " <brousch> removed the admin gui from osx server, replaced mysql with postgres <rick_h_> they have a server? I wasn't aware you could get that any more :P <brousch> http://www.apple.com/macosx/server/ <rick_h_> brousch: sorry, was being sarcastic <rick_h_> just mean that with no server product, I'm not sure those are flying off the shelf <brousch> ah <rick_h_> I mean, who cares what's in OSX server? but I am always happy to see mysql get beat up a bit <rick_h_> our last staff meeting was fun. Got to use my cool phrase "don't use a database that's defective by design..." 3 times :) <brousch> i'll bet that doesn't annoy anyone <rick_h_> the 3rd time I got the hand :) <jrwren> anyone have issues with the latest samba package updates? <jrwren> but its industrial standard. <jrwren> but its webscale. <rick_h_> heh, we keep hitting crap that's meant to help myisam work out but then causes innodb issues <rick_h_> and we're not going ot myisam any time soon <jrwren> ewe <snap-l> Innodb is what happens when a MyISAM and a journal get together and make a database. <snap-l> GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. <snap-l> Dear Outlook: please to be giving me email addresses and KNOCK OFF THIS NAME SHIT. <jrwren> lol <jrwren> grrr... apt and dpkg are great... until they aren't. <snap-l> I'm impressed. Our IT folks have created the unclickable and un-copy-paste-able link. <snap-l> In a PDF, no less. <jrwren> underline and color blue in an image! <snap-l> No, even better <jrwren> all my docs are png. its "secure" <snap-l> has all sorts of meta characters in it. <snap-l> It's awesome. <jrwren> kewl <greg-g> wow, so it was on purpose? <snap-l> greg-g: Not to my knowledge <greg-g> oh, then, holy cow they're "special" <snap-l> I think it's just someone's PDF generator "doing the right thing" <snap-l> Christ, I think I figured out this Livemeeting thing <snap-l> there's some tools package that made it work better. <snap-l> But man, what a colossal pain in the ass <snap-l> Seems to be a theme. ;) <brousch> tools causing pains in your ass is the theme? <greg-g> brousch: dude, do you see what you did to The_Machine? He joined, you said that, then he left probably very scared by what might be said next! ;) <greg-g> oh good, they're back <brousch> but he's back. he was actually intrigued <greg-g> haha * The_Machine grins <The_Machine> i can't help myself. <brousch> greg-g: i like how you did not assume The_Machine's gender <The_Machine> you shouldn't. <brousch> i know, that is why greg-g is at least 10x more awesome than i am <greg-g> brousch: I did at first, but then I unassumed it * The_Machine is a eunuch <greg-g> duly noted <brousch> i suppose "it" would've been the best choice <greg-g> The_Machine: have we met in real life? <The_Machine> i don't believe so.. though i've met my share of IRC'ers <The_Machine> i haven't been to a meetup or anything <greg-g> Gotcha <greg-g> I'm in Ann Arbor, and mostly go to things around there and in Detroit <greg-g> So, assuming we haven't met, welcome to the channel and nice to meet you :) <The_Machine> word. i'm formerly from ferndale, now a nomad <greg-g> awesome <The_Machine> ah, i've been coming here for a long time :) <The_Machine> but i don't fire up IRC too often <greg-g> wait, do you talk? <greg-g> ahh <greg-g> I don't remember any conversations we've had, oops :) <The_Machine> no worries <greg-g> so, welcome to my longer term memory ;) <The_Machine> actually, now that I am talking <The_Machine> I used ubuntu, fedora, etc. for my primary OS at my last job a few years ago <The_Machine> and right now i'm so heavily windows focused I can't afford to do that <jrwren> are you who Andrews Eldritch was singing about when he sang "I hear the roar of the big Machine" ? <The_Machine> but i'd love to go deeper, but don't have the time <The_Machine> any classes in the area you would recommend? <greg-g> The_Machine: ahh, time. the eternal problem <snap-l> jrwren: I think we're the only folks who got that joke. ;) <The_Machine> i'm more on the win sysadmin side right now <jrwren> snap-l: i figured. <The_Machine> but i'm willing to leave the dark side eventually <greg-g> The_Machine: classes? I can't think of one, unfortunately. <jrwren> snap-l: so it was for your benefit <snap-l> heh <The_Machine> i know that macomb community college offers some <greg-g> The_Machine: though, I would suggest hitting up some of the LUGs/other user groups around the area <greg-g> ahh, snap-l might know more about Macomb than I <snap-l> Only a little bit <jrwren> The_Machine: windows isn't hte dark side, freebsd and gentoo is the darkside. <snap-l> mostly from a faculty perspective. <The_Machine> i know nothing about them (outside of having heard of them a lot from forums, /., etc * greg-g nods <The_Machine> i know i'll get flamed <The_Machine> by why are they the dark side? <greg-g> so, MUG (mug.org) is good, but 45 minute drive from A2. They meet monthly. <jrwren> The_Machine: i learned a lot by just trying to replace windows services with linux. you could start there. you don't really need classes for that. <jrwren> no flames. this is a flame free zone. <brousch> it is? <jrwren> no flames. this is a flame free zone. <greg-g> WLUG is also good for your basics as well. Friendly folks run that one. Really, the folks running these groups are all friendly. <The_Machine> yea, mostly wanted to not waste anyone's time <brousch> The_Machine: so you're on the east side of michigan? <greg-g> oh, no one who is at one of those groups will think talking about Linux with someone wanting to get back involved/more involved is a waste of time <The_Machine> in bloomfield at the moment <snap-l> The_Machine: I'd recommend heading to MUG * The_Machine nods <snap-l> The_Machine: It's on the Second Tuesday of every month, and is very friendly. <greg-g> oh, then you'd want MUG, yeah <jrwren> Macomb Twp? or just county? <The_Machine> oakland county <snap-l> Macomb CC is county <jrwren> oh, you saic Macomb CC, so i figured you were near there. <The_Machine> i just know macomb college was offering linux classes <rick_h_> oh, you're my way <The_Machine> that's why i mentioned it * jrwren confused. <jrwren> I'm sure OCC offers 'em too... but classes are so... meh. :) <jrwren> is your nat router messed up or something? <jrwren> dropping you every few minutes? <jrwren> I'm sure OCC offers 'em too... but classes are so... meh. :) <The_Machine> this connection is awful <The_Machine> no, i'm on a guest network <The_Machine> yea, OCC blows for CS classes <snap-l> I'm not sure MCC is much better <snap-l> OK, time for meeting. <rick_h_> good luck with the transfer :) <snap-l> Thanks. :) <jrwren> OU isn't good either ;( <The_Machine> and expensive and slightly evil. <brousch> remember my recent large pdf printing/conversion problems? it turns out this is an increasingly common problem, at least for people with our type of plotter (KIP). i'm thinking about putting together a pre-printing conversion box to alleviate some of the pain <rick_h_> pre-printing...seems a bit impossible to print before you print <brousch> convert the troublesome pdfs to tif <brousch> drop them into a watched folder, convert them on a multi-cpu server (or the cloud), email when it's done <brousch> slap a nice gui on it and it seems like a real product <snap-l> Oh, this is brilliant. <brousch> at a minimum it would be a nice open source project for people like me <snap-l> I finished my demo already. <snap-l> scheduled time 1:30 <brousch> ut oh <rick_h_> yay! mission complete <greg-g> heh, yay for being done early. and ooops, done early :) <Wolfger> 'The word "hacker" evokes all kinds of scary images.'..... It does? <Wolfger> http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/web/08/03/jeff.moss.black.hat/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 <jrwren> o_O <jrwren> so... 15minutes instead of 90 minutes? how did you do that? <Blazeix> Wolfger: yes? <Blazeix> for CNN's target audience <Wolfger> Blazeix: even if you subscribe to the common misconception that hacker == criminal, I still don't think many people view them as "scary" <rick_h_> Wolfger: have your identify stolen lately? <Blazeix> I guess we'll just disagree then. I think most people view hackers as people that will mess up their facebook and steal data <rick_h_> yea <rick_h_> I'm with Blazeix here <jrwren> most people also believe in god and eat mcdonalds. and think that miley cyrus is cool and/or cute. <jrwren> but its a real bummer that the hacker v. cracker definition cause hasn't made progress <Wolfger> rick_h_: no. Blazeix: I don't think "mess up your facebook" counts as scary, and most people practically give their data away (i.e. to Facebook and Zynga games) <rick_h_> the people that would forward the cause don't care because they know the diff <rick_h_> Wolfger: right, but to my wife it's scary if someone gets to their facebook data <rick_h_> she doesn't consider it "giving her data away" <Wolfger> fair enough <rick_h_> it's just normal use <Wolfger> I guess I'm too far removed from normal folk <jrwren> you should reeducate her.
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