#ubuntu-us-oh 2011-05-01 <canthus13> bah. I'm gonna have to test it in a different distro. Natty is slower than shit in a vm. <dmcglone> hi all <BiosElement> canthus13: Kubuntu is waiting for you. ^_^ <BiosElement> Hey dmcglone, no one likes you here. >.> <canthus13> BiosElement: Meh. No KDE for me. :( <canthus13> And apparently the slowness is an upstream issue.. Debian testing is running nearly as slow on the install. :( <BiosElement> canthus13: Nvidia? <canthus13> virtualbox. <BiosElement> Bleh, vbox hates me :P <canthus13> I've never had issues with it until now. <BiosElement> Sometimes stuff runs uber slow in vbox for me >.> <BiosElement> And god, just watching #ubuntu gives me a headache in under 5 minutes >.> <dmcglone> BiosElement: are you sure about that? <dmcglone> I can't even get Ubuntu 11.04 to even boot <BiosElement> dmcglone: I can give it a shot. I know last time It worked, though slowly. <dmcglone> it drops down to a shell on me and will not go anywhere <BiosElement> Hmm... <BiosElement> dmcglone: Works fine for me, but it's probably a system specific problem <dmcglone> thats weird <BiosElement> VBox adds in tons of weird problems though <dmcglone> I tried 2 different ISO's and got the same <dmcglone> I wasn 't using vbox <BiosElement> Ahh, hmm <dmcglone> I was booting from a USB stick <BiosElement> dmcglone: beta or latest? <BiosElement> I know the beta had some problems booting from usb <Cheri703> random note: apparently you CAN use gnome 2 and/or ubuntu classic instead of unity <BiosElement> canthus13: Yes, you can. It's just FUD that you can't. >.< They had to ship it since Unity is 3D only <dmcglone> Ah ha 3D thats probably my problem <BiosElement> It should fallback though <canthus13> Cheri703: You can. sort of. <canthus13> Cheri703: It's a nasty, ugly mess, but you can use ubuntu 'classic'. <BiosElement> canthus13: It is? I was just using it in vbox the other day, it wasn't anything to write home about. <dmcglone> it doesn't <dmcglone> it goes to an (âinitramfs) shell <canthus13> BiosElement: I was using it in 'classic' mode. As soon as I enabled ccsm and turned on cube, everything fell apart. It's like they boobytrapped it to convince people that unity is better. <BiosElement> I didn't use ccsm, perhaps it's a driver issue? I know the nvidia drivers are really sucking as of late. >.< <canthus13> BiosElement: No. It's a sane default settings issue. <canthus13> BiosElement: And it was in vbox. no nvidia drivers. <canthus13> heck, this machine has intel graphics, so no nvidia anywhere. <BiosElement> canthus13: Odd. I actually didn't have any problems with 'classic' in vbox. Unity was a fail for me though >.> <Cheri703> I just thought I'd mention it for those who didn't know <Cheri703> I'm still fairly out of it right now, don't mind me <BiosElement> Don't mind us Cheri703, we randomly debate/argue over things. ^_^ <Cheri703> heh, no problem <dmcglone> I'd love to try it, but obviously it's not gonna work for me <Cheri703> I seriously just came out of a like 5 hour weird health thing that happens (generally NOT this long, so I'm all bleh) <BiosElement> Notice to ANYONE who designs or has any input in the design of a 'product' homepage. A friggen video does not replace a description of what your product does. I will not waste the time to find out. >.> * BiosElement is a lazy bugger <Cheri703> completely agree <Cheri703> especially a video that plays automatically <canthus13> dmcglone: Did you upgrade vbox to the latest version? <BiosElement> If you play a video automatically, I'll just close the page. <canthus13> dmcglone: ..Or are you installing on a real machine? <dmcglone> well if it's what they want :-/ <dmcglone> canthus13: trying to run a live desktop on my netbook <canthus13> dmcglone: Ah. <dmcglone> it should run just fine <dmcglone> I guess i'll have to start getting used to an alternative soon :-/ <dmcglone> I'll bring my stuff to the meet tomorrow and show it off <BiosElement> Which meet is that? >.> <dmcglone> tomorrow <dmcglone> cbus library main <dmcglone> you'll be there right? <BiosElement> Ahh hell, I'd totally forgotten about it. Yeah, what time? *goes to set alarms* >.> <dmcglone> 1 - 5pm I'll be there about 12:30 <BiosElement> Aight, I'll try to roll outta bed before 3pm like I did today >.< <BiosElement> I'll aim to be there around 12:30ish as well <dmcglone> it's in the 3rd floor board room <BiosElement> I'll wear my Ubuntu Hat so just jump me if/when you see me heh <dmcglone> Ok I'll wear my hearing aid, so scream if you see me <dmcglone> haha <BiosElement> Hah <dmcglone> actually I can hear a mouse piss on cotton.... LOL <BiosElement> Heh <Cheri703> still no one (afaik) going down from my area or north of me :( <dmcglone> I wish I knew someone from up there <BiosElement> Blah, I used to be up in your area...glad I'm not to be honest >.< <dmcglone> columbus rules huh? <BiosElement> Hah, yes, yes it does. :P <dmcglone> you gonna bring an 11.04 install so I can get a glimpse since I can't here :-/ <BiosElement> dmcglone: Hah, I don't have 11.04 unity installed on 'anything' at the moment. >.< I'll bring along my Google netbook though if anyone's curious. It's actually a great little netbook for trips <Cheri703> :( I want to gooooo! <Cheri703> itsafork: around? <BiosElement> Awesome Phishing fail <BiosElement> "If you do not receive a reply within 48 hours of submitting this form, please resend it from the address listed above." <dmcglone> Ok I'm interested in seeing that, I'm going to Myrtle beach in july, it might come in handy for me <BiosElement> ^hah, so if they fail to steal your account within 48 hours, they'll get another chance every 2 days <dmcglone> Cheri, your in mansfield correct? <Cheri703> yeah dmcglone <dmcglone> dang 3 hours :-/ <Cheri703> ? <BiosElement> 3 hours to Mansfield? Nah. >.> <dmcglone> that means picking you up is out of the question <BiosElement> Ahh, heh <Cheri703> I'm about an hour north of cbus <Cheri703> ish <Cheri703> maybe like an hour 15 <BiosElement> 2:30 hours there/back <dmcglone> an hour <dmcglone> are you close to lake erie? <Cheri703> no, I'm about halfway between columbus and cleveland <Cheri703> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=mansfield,+oh&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=21.120364,56.513672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Mansfield,+Richland,+Ohio&t=h&z=11 <dmcglone> I thought cleveland was in mansfield <Cheri703> ...no <BiosElement> Not even hah <dmcglone> I see <dmcglone> I still don' think I could pull it off :-/ <BiosElement> Shame we don't have more people up north <Cheri703> no problem dmcglone, I appreciate the thought <dmcglone> If I didn't have to help my brother in law in the morning, I could do it :-/ <Cheri703> random side note: I can't register for an identi.ca account because the captcha box isn't there -_- <Cheri703> and it says "captcha doesn't match!" <dmcglone> You gotta use IE ;-) <Cheri703> I DOUBT identi.ca requires ie <BiosElement> identi.ca fucks up their captcha on a regular basis <Cheri703> :/ <dmcglone> it was a joke.. LOL <dmcglone> I had to use IE to reserve the room for tomorrow <Cheri703> I want to make an account for my business because the "OhioLinux" account will dent about me :) <BiosElement> Reminds me <BiosElement> I figured out my next web project. An app for managing events. Starting with registration/payment and moving on with more planning features <Cheri703> nice <dmcglone> cool BiosElement <dmcglone> PHP right? <BiosElement> Well there seems to be a gap in the market, it'd be great for F/OSS events and it's also not difficult to monetize so I can continue eating. <BiosElement> dmcglone: *cough* *choke* <dmcglone> ah come on you know you love PHP <dmcglone> ;-) <BiosElement> Hah <BiosElement> dmcglone: Actually, nice thing is Python has an advantage in this respect <dmcglone> it does? <Cheri703> oooo, speaking of python <BiosElement> It'd be easy to deploy it with a basic ubuntu netbook without needing any packages and servers installed <Cheri703> my brother and I collaborated on a project :) <dmcglone> what is it Cheri703? <BiosElement> Awesome Cheri703 <Cheri703> for forum users: it's always annoying to resize pictures to meet the requirements for a forum, you have to adjust, save, check, adjust, save, check, etc <Cheri703> he wrote a thing to auto-adjust pictures to match the requirements <Cheri703> you just drop it into a folder, run it, and it outputs little forum versions of all of the pics into a new folder <dmcglone> sounds like what imagemagik does <dmcglone> most forums resize on the fly now <BiosElement> It is, but ImageMagik is a pain <Cheri703> well, it automates the repeat part <Cheri703> not the forums I use <BiosElement> dmcglone: phpbb by default doesn't IIRC <dmcglone> I've never use phpbb :-/ <dmcglone> welp, I'm gonna get some shut eye <dmcglone> g'night all <BiosElement> Night dmcglone <dmcglone> see y'all tomorrow <dmcglone> night :-) <Cheri703> http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/54016.html <canthus13> I'm annoyed. Wife's wireless broke... and i fixed it. But I don't know how or why. Nor do I know why wicd keeps starting up even after I uninstalled it. <Cheri703> :/ <canthus13> It works, but it pisses me off that it works for no good reason. * Cheri703 is downloading 11.04 for live attempts * canthus13 cringes. <Cheri703> yeah <Cheri703> I know <Cheri703> but last time I touched unity was the 10.10 netbook release, so I'm curious what changes have been made <Cheri703> some people think it's great <canthus13> Some people think crack is great. <Cheri703> true <Cheri703> I'm annoyed, I'm probably going to be awake really late :( <canthus13> Heh. <BiosElement> >.< <BiosElement> Unity is at least one release too early and 50 usability studies early. <Unit193> BiosElement: I take it you don't like Unity? <BiosElement> I love the look of unity, but using it is a step backwards and I can't see why it has to be so weird. <Cheri703> I think they completely cut off a HUGE pool of potential users <Cheri703> OLD PEOPLE <Cheri703> who don't want/need to upgrade their computers to win7, but need something more functional than xp <BiosElement> Question is, is that even a market ubuntu is aiming for? It seems to me Ubuntu is trying to be more then just a windows replacement <canthus13> Eh? You forget bug #1. <Cheri703> true, but that was a LARGE portion of the people I've gotten to use it...people who are barely computer literate <Cheri703> and it was simple enough to use <BiosElement> canthus13: Not really, that's a goal, but you can go about it different ways. * BiosElement is really the oddball in these dabates <BiosElement> I'm willing to bitch up a storm about it, but I'll defend the attempt. >.< <Cheri703> ha, while libreoffice is opening, and the splash screen is up, the upper left says "openoffice.org" <BiosElement> Cheri703: Must have an old version <Cheri703> I guess <BiosElement> Reminds me, hear about Oracle's balony "Ok kids, come back we'll be good now?" Statement? <Cheri703> yeah <Cheri703> so unity looks ok...I guess <Cheri703> I just poked at it for a few minutes <BiosElement> hehe I was laughing so hard when I read that <Cheri703> probably won't be switching <Cheri703> if I needed a netbook interface (which I've pondered going back to), I'd probably use 10.04's <Cheri703> which is annoying because there are things I like about 10.10, but I don't like 10.10's unity <BiosElement> So don't use it, you can use Classic. <Unit193> BiosElement: Doesn't Kubuntu have a netbook edition? <BiosElement> Unit193: Yes, it does. In fact Kubuntu's netbook edition is now rolled into the desktop edition. <Cheri703> hmm...I like gnome though :/ <Cheri703> BiosElement: classic netbook? <BiosElement> Cheri703: Ubuntu netbook should let you use classic gnome or the ubuntu netbook thingy. <Unit193> BiosElement: How does that work? <BiosElement> Unit193: Via plasma, you select the interface you want. It's a really cool system actually. <Cheri703> BiosElement: 10.10 netbook uses unity, OR normal desktop-y stuff, as far as I know, not unity, normal desktop, or 10.04's netbook style interface <BiosElement> Cheri703: Sure? I can poke around later, I don't have a decent net connection to checkout the iso currently or I would. <Cheri703> I may still have the iso, give me a bit :) <Cheri703> I'll check <Cheri703> ahh, I deleted it because I had no use for 10.10 unity <BiosElement> Heh, I gotta get to sleep in a little bit, going to scrounge up bus money and charge my netbook for tomorrow >.> <Cheri703> :) have fun! I wish I could be there :/ <Cheri703> >.< ubuntu.com only has 11.04 and 10.10 <BiosElement> Hah, don't worry about it Cheri703. I don't think you'll miss much. >.> <Cheri703> :/ <BiosElement> Cheri703: There should be archives of them <Cheri703> found it <Cheri703> so how would I choose? I know there's the session chooser at the login screen generally, but (I thought) there was only unity and regular <Cheri703> I'll poke at it <BiosElement> It 'should' let you choose. <BiosElement> If it doesn't I'd be suprised. <Cheri703> in theory :/ <BiosElement> Well you're around late jgould <jgould> oh? <BiosElement> In the day that is heh <jgould> oh. I managed to hose my server install, Was doing some research and found out about the LUG for Ohio <BiosElement> Ahh, awesome. What area are you in? <jgould> Columbus <BiosElement> Ahh, you should come downtown to the Main Library for our little release party thingymajig we're doing...well, 'today' I guess it is. <jgould> Maybe I could convince the missus to come down. she can go find the braille books on the first floor. I actually can't run any flavor of ubuntu on my current laptop, but my Mac Mini is running Xubuntu 10.04 and my server is running 10.04 LTS <BiosElement> jgould: We can help out if you have any problems, or at least agree it sucks and point you in the right direction. ^_^ <BiosElement> jgould: it's in the 3rd floor board room and we'll be there around 1-5pm, though some of us are arriving a bit early. I'll be wearing my ubuntu hat so we shouldn't be too difficult to spot. <jgould> I think the only thing that won't work is wireless. (That's kinda important, heh) <jgould> Ok <jgould> I'll talk it over with the Missus tomorrow. (Would y'all accept a new member that uses a Mac?) ;) <Cheri703> of course :) <Cheri703> not everyone here uses ubuntu full time <BiosElement> Hah we don't care what system you use really. If we banned all other os's, I'd have to leave since I have a win install on a partition >.< <BiosElement> Erm...I mean my 'friend' has a win install on a partition... <jgould> Heh <BiosElement> I mean, I'd never actually use windows...*cough**gag* <jgould> Windows 7 is the best version that I've seen come out of Redmond in years <BiosElement> I'm with you there. It's still years behind linux though. >.< <jgould> For the way I work, the Mac is good middle ground <BiosElement> I can't speak much about macs, besides that their gui is annoying but their usability is awesome. >.> <jgould> I prefer the GUI on the mac. to me it's one of the better ones out there... <BiosElement> By GUI I'm referring to the bland nature, not that it's bad. It'd just bore the hell outta me. <Cheri703> BiosElement: I only have options for "desktop, desktop safe mode, and netbook (in 10.10 <Cheri703> ) <BiosElement> Cheri703: Bugger. <Cheri703> going to run updates just to be sure <jgould> I like simple GUI's. I have ADHD and too much shiny will really distract me <BiosElement> Simple doesn't have to be boring though. :P *eyes unity* *coughs* <jgould> *shudders* <BiosElement> Oh dear god. <BiosElement> Someone call the Canonical PR Dept. ask them to kindly tone down their adverts... <jgould> I installed Ubuntu 11.04 on the Mini and then about shot Unity, and went back to XUbuntu <BiosElement> http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu <BiosElement> Footer "Only on Ubuntu", 3 outta 4 of those are not even ubuntu specific. <BiosElement> jgould: You can use Gnome classic without unity. <jgould> I've never been fond of Gnome either <BiosElement> I get the feeling unity is going to progress rapidly into something usable. If it doesn't...well, me and my kubuntu buddies welcome all new cabal members <jgould> I've always like XFCE * BiosElement has never liked gtk >.> <jgould> anyone ever done a reinstall of Ubuntu with /home remaining? <BiosElement> Yes <BiosElement> But /home has to be on a sep. partition <jgould> anything I should be concerned with regarding premissions? <jgould> it is <BiosElement> I 'think' you can actually leave it in place and get away with it, but I wouldn't risk it. <BiosElement> jgould: Not really, as long as the usernames are the same <jgould> ok <jgould> anyone use HandbrakeCLI? <BiosElement> Heard of it. Don't think I ever used it. <jgould> It takes my server something like 4 hours to rip a DVD... My Mac (with the GUI) can do ti in 2 hours. I think the processors have something to do with that... (Server is single core, Mac is Dual Core, but somehow appears as a Quad Core. (It's an Intel Core i5_ <BiosElement> Processor and DVD Drive speed have 'everything' to do with it. <jgould> thought so <BiosElement> Processor is probably more the bottleneck though for DVD's, since you're also probably transcoding it. <jgould> I'll still use the CLI version on the server, Rip right to the directory that it belongs in. (Unless it's some really complex thing like a TV show or something...) <BiosElement> Yeash, I 'barely' have enough change for the bus tomorrow heh. Lucky me. >.< <Cheri703> I pull out my bus money and keep it separate :) <BiosElement> +100 for that Cheri703 <jgould> My wife could ride a fixed route for free... (none service where we are...) she has an ADA card. <BiosElement> I'm the idiot you 'don't' see counting his coins to make sure they're all there. >.< <BiosElement> I get antsy so I sit there counting the same 3-5 coins haha <jgould> I can understand that <Cheri703> heh <Cheri703> up here it's $1.50 per ride, and $3 for a day pass, so I pull out bus money $30 at a time, $20 in ones, and a roll of quarters <BiosElement> Cheri703: Any idea who all else is going to be there? <Cheri703> no clue, I'm not :( <BiosElement> Cheri703: Lucky you, that's cheap. The day pass is actually resonable. <Cheri703> there is that roll call email that went around <Cheri703> yeah <BiosElement> Here it takes at least four trips to make it even. >.> <Cheri703> dang <BiosElement> Don't get me started on the monthly pass. Basically you have to take the bus EVERY day of the week to save anything. heh <Cheri703> we can get a month pass for $40 <BiosElement> I think ours was $50, not sure though. Been ages since I checked. <Cheri703> but for us (since husband is unemployed, and I'm self/un employed) $30 will last both of us a month or more <BiosElement> They also raised it to 1.75 >.< <Cheri703> he walks a lot <BiosElement> Heh, the only money I get are donations for projects (Which I really can't touch unless it's directly related.) and whatever money I can beg off my parents. >.< Ugh for the job search heh. <BiosElement> Cheri703: Walking's good. >.> But where I live, the best place to walk too is the gas station, an asian market, Microcenter...that's about it. <jgould> BiosElement: With Mainstream, the monthly pass is closer to $70. I think we figured out that it takes 25 days worth of single trips (home-work, work-home) to make it worth it <Cheri703> understandable <BiosElement> jgould: Ouch. >.< <jgould> BiosElement: Up on Bethel (Or around there>) <BiosElement> jgould: Yes, I am. :P Near Centennial High. <Cheri703> I used to live off dierker <Cheri703> back in the day <BiosElement> Reminds me, I gotta fix my email setup soon >.< <jgould> *nods* If I lived any closer to Microcenter, I'd probably be there every day... <BiosElement> I'm debating dumping my linode server for the time being so I'm moving the two important email addrasses over to google apps. >.< <BiosElement> jgould: When you're broke as sin, it's not hard to avoid it. :P <BiosElement> Gives me more reasons to work on my projects. >.< * BiosElement has to work on his evil mastermind plot to takeover the world <jgould> I go in, look around, go "Oooh I'd like to have that, and that and that" and walk out empty handed... <Cheri703> jgould: same here <Cheri703> that and a few food options are what I really miss about columbus <BiosElement> Cheri703: Gyros and Hamburgers are pretty good in Mansfield. <Cheri703> true <BiosElement> Otherwise, it's better here >.> <Cheri703> what was your preferred hamburger place? <BiosElement> I STILL can't find a damned good Gyro place hah. <Cheri703> referring to athens? <Cheri703> in mansfield <BiosElement> Cheri703: The Mansfield Diner was pretty good. And yes Cheri703 hah, probably the only Gyro place. <jgould> is it bad that I have to label discs i386 or amd64? <BiosElement> Not really. <BiosElement> I probably should. I don't mark i386, only amd64. <Cheri703> there's a place on campus (OSU) that is decent, and a place on cleveland ave just south of 270 (I think) yanni's or something <BiosElement> Cheri703: I think there is, I keep forgetting though. And Hmm, I think I know where you mean. <BiosElement> Oh wait shit, I should plug my netbook in so I have a charge <BiosElement> I think I've left it in idle since Anime Punch last weekend <Cheri703> heh <BiosElement> Yep I did <jgould> heh <BiosElement> And yep, 15% battery life left. Awesome <Cheri703> you should have plenty of time to charge <jgould> we need kinetic charging systems for our laptops, but the shaking may not do the hard drives much good... <BiosElement> Yep, I should Cheri703. <BiosElement> jgould: Solid State Drive :P <Cheri703> were you referring to coney island diner BiosElement ? or where is the mansfield diner? <BiosElement> Cheri703: Maybe Cony Island, It's been a bit. Wasn't there a Mansfield Diner at the Square? Or used to be anyway? <Cheri703> there is one on the square and one on north main <Cheri703> I'll have to check them out :) <Cheri703> where in mansfield did you live? <BiosElement> Square then hah. They have different owners IIRC. <BiosElement> Ahh, just off the bottom of the Hill on Madison Rd. <Cheri703> ah, ok <Cheri703> I live near hedges school <BiosElement> Ah, Cool. I think I remember where that was. It's been a bit since I've been in mansfield. <Cheri703> we like it up here, it's VERY different than cbus, but good :) <BiosElement> Hah, I don't think I could ever live in a small town again. <BiosElement> Not after actually making something of a place for myself in Columbus <jgould> I've lived in Columbus my entire life <BiosElement> I was born in Columbus and lived here until I was about 10, then lived in mansfield till I was eh, 14-15, then moved back to Columbus. <BiosElement> And the minute people start talking about where they're from, it gets very very quiet. :P <jgould> I was in the kitchen making a server. :P <BiosElement> And LMFAO, has anyone read the ubuntu.com/legal page? <BiosElement> "For example, Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds. Debian is a trademark of Software in the Public Interest, Inc. Windows is allegedly a trademark of Microsoft Corporation. Ubuntu and Canonical are registered trademarks of Canonical Ltd." <BiosElement> Note the "allegedly". hah <jgould> Heh <BiosElement> Ok, that just made my night hehehe <jgould> Making a server is kinda like making a pizza... :) <BiosElement> Not really <BiosElement> Pizza tastes better <BiosElement> ;P <jgould> Does that mean that, in theory, Micro$oft could sue anyone that installs windows (the glass kind)? <jgould> True, that, BiosElement <BiosElement> jgould: Not really. Since trademark law, last I looked, requires confusion and damages. <BiosElement> I doubt someone who orders windows for their house thought it was windows the os. <jgould> You havent' met too many people that use windows, then, have you? :P <BiosElement> Hah, Sadly I have.. <jgould> My dad and aunt keep using IE even after I've told them not to, told them why not to, and installed at least firefox for them... and then they complain to me when their systems are screwed up... <BiosElement> Rename firefox to IE, port all their settings over, leave it for a week. It's not nice and I wouldn't always recommend it, but as long as you're willing to take the blame for the trick, it's worth a shot :P <jgould> Heh <jgould> Didn't think of that * BiosElement has an evil mind <jgould> The icon is different. Dad would know instantly, his IE is set up rather funny <BiosElement> Ahh heh <BiosElement> Yay, dropbox finally stopped telling me to go to hell <jgould> XD <jgould> why was it doing that <jgould> I haven't used dropbox in years. I use sugar sync now <BiosElement> Ahh, it didn't like me for whatever reason heh. <BiosElement> I'd use ubuntuone if it didn't have shitty kde support <jgould> ah <BiosElement> I mostly only use it for encrypted ssh keys, encrypted gpg keys and encrypted password databases. >.< <BiosElement> So really, I don't care that much about security <jgould> I wonder if I could find a replacement for Aperture that runs under Linux <BiosElement> digikam possibly <BiosElement> Probably the best f/oss photo management system <BiosElement> Perhaps not quite as good as Aperture, but I'd say it's the best I've ever seen for win/lin. <jgould> hmmm... Just reinstalled the server and I need to rescue it already <BiosElement> >.< <jgould> I fucked up the grub install. It needed to go on the other hard drive <jgould> Hell, I should probably go to sleep... It's 5am <BiosElement> So should I <BiosElement> Nighty night <jgould> Night <jgould> Night gang <BiosElement> Morning folks. ^_^ * jacob is sitting outside library :p <Cheri703> have fun! I wish I could be there :/ <Unit193> +1 Cheri703 <Derath-Srvr> boo <Derath-Srvr> unit, you coming? <Unit193> Derath-Srvr: I really want to... <Unit193> Derath-Srvr: I can't get there... <Unit193> BiosElement-gOS: You don't connect to your Quassel? <BiosElement-gOS> Nah, on my google laptop. >.> * Unit193 noticed <BiosElement-gOS> Greetings from the Ubuntu Library Meetup. ^_^ <BiosElement-gOS> >.> <Cheri703> ? <Unit193> How is it going? <BiosElement-gOS> Pretty good. 7 people so far <Unit193> "I tried the much-hyped Kubuntu and felt that it is to Linux what Vista is to Windows!" <BiosElement-gOS> DErath said to go and stuff it <BiosElement-gOS> And I'll second that haha <Unit193> I didn't say that... <Unit193> Derath-Srvr is Kubuntu? * thafreak is stealing jacob's bandwidth <BiosElement-gOS> Yay for irccloud <jacob> woo <Unit193> Welcome to IRC jacob, thafreak <jacob> hey hey <Derath-Srvr> Sup all <Derath-Srvr> Woohoo for screen + irssi! <Unit193> Hello Derath-Srvr! +1 screen + irssi <Unit193> You're Kubuntu? <Derath-Srvr> Well, been preferring kde :) <Derath-Srvr> I like the menu and settings a lot more <Unit193> OK. Get back to having fun! <Derath-Srvr> lol <Unit193> Welcome back jgould_! <Unit193> Or not.... <BiosElement-gOS> Hah <BiosElement-gOS> Quiet here heh <jgould> Yep <Derath-Srvr> that's because we're all talking across the tables lol <Derath-Srvr> And it's always quiet in the chat until about 10pm anyways... <BiosElement-gOS> Haha, True heh <Cheri703> good turnout? <jgould> about 10 of us <Derath-Srvr> For the most part... yeah about 10-13 of us... <Cheri703> nice <BiosElement-gOS> Heroic Bug Report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/486154 <_bbb> fix it or i will never use ubuntu again! <BiosElement-gOS> >.> <Derath-Srvr> :P <Derath-Srvr> time to change nics <jacob> hello notfed <notfed> hi <Derath-Srvr> sup * thafreak is out for now <notfed> node <asdfasdfasdf> jacob is a troll <Derath-Srvr> At one time a very hair troll <BiosElement-gOS> Abuse of prowers! Bad jacob! ;P <Unit193> BiosElement-gOS: Watchout <Unit193> You're next ;) <Derath-Srvr> Yep, Bios may be next <BiosElement-gOS> hehe, not within throwing range >.> <Derath-Srvr> Doesn't have to throw, he's got a big boot <Derath-Srvr> "lol You're lucky I'm too lazy to type that stuff in again" <Unit193> Haha! <itsafork-netbook> RAAAAAAAWR!!!!!!! <Unit193> Hello itsafork-netbook <itsafork-netbook> hey duder! <Unit193> Having fun? <itsafork-netbook> SURE AM! WISH YOU WERE ABLE TO MAKE IT <itsafork-netbook> NOT SURE WHY MY CAPS LOCK IS ON THOUGH <Cheri703> HI ITSAFORK HOW ARE THINGS? <BiosElement-gOS> YAY FOR CAPS LOCK <Derath-Srvr> lol <Unit193> MAYBE I CAN GO NEXT TIME! <Cheri703> I WILL MAKE PLANS IN ADVANCE IF I HAVE TO TO CRASH AT A FRIEND'S PLACE FOR THE WHOLE WEEKEND OF OLF <Unit193> WHEN IS OLF ANYWAY? <Cheri703> september generally <itsafork-netbook> SEPTEMBER 9-11 <Cheri703> supposed to be ohiolinux.org but it's not coming up for me <itsafork-netbook> THEY HAVEN'T UPDATED THE OLF SITE YET <Cheri703> that's annoying <Cheri703> the call for presenters went out a while ago <notfed> um i think i registered still really not sure about that <notfed> hi jon <itsafork-netbook> HI JAY <itsafork-netbook> *SMACK JAY UPSIDE THE HEAD* <itsafork-netbook> *WACK!* <Cheri703> did anyone end up coming from outside of columbus? <itsafork-netbook> 1 FROM AKRON, 2 FROM PICKERINGTON & 1 FROM BEXLEY <Cheri703> ah, ok <Cheri703> that's cool <itsafork-netbook> OK BYE <dmcglone> Boo! <dmcglone> I probably made it home before everyone else * Cheri703 was at home before dmcglone <jgould> I think I will have to learn how to use weechat... <dmcglone> jgould: I was thinking the same <jgould> I just installed it and am working off my Server djennings@example.org. <dmcglone> jgould: let me know what u think... after i eat ill check it out <jgould> So far, I like it. I saw it at the LoCo get together earlier today <dmcglone> Yeah I think jacob was using it <jgould> Jacob was using it. Looked nice on the projector <dmcglone> I installed it but can't find it <jgould> it's run from a terminal <dmcglone> whats the command? I used "weechat" <jgould> weechat-curses <dmcglone> Ah <jgould> I need to learn more about the power of screen... <dmcglone> what do you mean? <jgould> the commadn screen <jacob> check out `byobu`, it's installed by default on server systems (and maybe on desktop too) <jacob> it's a bunch of nice screen customizations to make a super-powerful and easy to use shell <jacob> Derath-Srvr: set your irc bits btw <jacob> i'll email you some usage tips and whatnot later this week <dmcglone> I got it running, now I'm looking for the info on how to use it <jgould> I need to learn how to use it as well. Is it possible to install live packages when running a live CD? <dmcglone> jgould: it's possible, but the packages will be lost after reboot <jgould> that's fine. I just need to get the wireless drivers and test them on this MacBook Pro <dmcglone> jacob: whats freenodes port #? <jacob> 6667 by default, unless you want ssl <jgould> Any one know what happens if you try to dual boot Linux and Mac OS without rEFIt? <dmcglone> thats what I was thinking <dmcglone> dmcglone: can't join a chat for some reason, what am I doing wrong <dmcglone> I type /join #ubuntu.us.oh and I don't get anything <jacob> /join #ubuntu-us-oh <jacob> -, not . <dmcglone> ah shit <dmcglone> lol <dmcglone> didn't work either for some reason.. Hmmm <dmcglone> Error with command "join" (try /help join) <jacob> odd, it should just work like that <jacob> make sure you're connected to the server (/connect) <dmcglone> Hmmm <david1> haha * jacob needs to leave for a bit to go finish some work, back later <david1> That was it jabogb <jacob> oh hey hey, it works :) <david1> yeah If forgot to connect like you said <jacob> anywho, back on later :) <david1> Ok <david1> jgould: did you manage to get it running? <dmcglone> now to learn all the tricks :-) looks like jacob may have created some kind of monster today ;-) <dmcglone> I'll be back, I'm gonna go pick me up a USB stick #ubuntu-us-oh 2011-05-02 <jgould> Did I manage to get what running? <jgould> I'm going to see if the broadcomm drivers from the restricted pool will install on the MacBook <canthus13> jgould: ...That's something I've never heard of. :) * canthus13 would be interested in knowing if that works. <jgould> It's a Broadcomm 4331. Xubuntu didn't find any drivers for it... :( <jgould> I found somethign for the wireless but it relies on nidswrapper <Cheri703> :D http://thedailywh.at/2011/05/01/for-great-justice-of-the-day <dmcglone> jgould: any luck? <jgould> Nope <jgould> I'm still working on it though. <dmcglone> I wish I could help, but I don't know anything about Mac's * dmcglone despises macs <jgould> why? <dmcglone> everything too tied together <dmcglone> anyone correct me if I'm wrong, but IMHO with a Mac, it's the Mac way or the highway <jgould> yes, and no. <dmcglone> can you elaborate * dmcglone wants to be head of the chat for a day :-) <jgould> I'm running Xubuntu on my Mac Mini, everything works. Sure it's a little harder to dig into the machine and tweak phsycial things (at least on this one) but the machine is solid. The MacOS is pretty locked down, but you can use other OS's on the hardware <dmcglone> cool, I was under the impression everything had to be mac specific <jgould> no. Nope <dmcglone> nice knowing that I may look into a mac someday <jgould> getting things working is a pain in the butt. My next system may be a machine from System76 <jgould> if I've got a driver that I've wrapped with ndiswrapper, how the hell do I load it.. <dmcglone> I hear good things about system76 <dmcglone> I usually just buy one from the store and re-arrange it myself <jgould> I saw quite a few netbooks at the meeting today <dmcglone> Yeah. I got my Aspire at Wal-Mart, got 2 of them for 280.00 or something like that <dmcglone> I want to get me an acer tablet too <jgould> that may be the way to go for a ultra portable system that you don't really care about <Unit193> jgould: Did you look at Macbuntu? <dmcglone> true <Unit193> (If you like the mac look) <jgould> I love the hardware <dmcglone> Ok I got me a new USB drive and put 11.04 on it, now i'm gonna try and boot it <dmcglone> I'll be back <jgould> I can live with the look of Xubuntu if I can get the wireless going. there are only a few closed source apps that I rely on and one of them has a version for Linux <jgould> wow... I just had the Xubuntu live CD lock up on the MacBook <jgould> I think it's just a matter of time until someone gets this wireless issue resolved. Damn Broadcom * canthus13 despises mac users. <jgould> why? <canthus13> Or OSX users, I guess. <canthus13> jgould: because they're stupid. They like everything spoon-fed to them. The slightest thing goes wronga nd they flip out, blame everyone BUT their precious mac. * canthus13 does ISP tech support, needs to vent occasionally. :) <jgould> I've been in your shoes <canthus13> The average idiot is bad enough, but mac users are in a class of their own. they're willfully ignorant.... (ANd yes, I know I"m making generalizations...) <jgould> Most of them woudn't know waht to do with a terminal... <canthus13> Heh. Fortunately, I've been dealing with a number of linux users lately... Most of them noobs, but they're more than willing to learn. :) <jgould> they know what they are getting them selves into, generally... <canthus13> ACtually, several of them had the machines given to them with ubuntu installed. <canthus13> Dunno who is giving it out... I wish I did. :/ <jgould> Heh <canthus13> Kinda weird being the loco lead and not knowing who it is. <canthus13> Err. ReLoCo lead, that is. <jgould> which regoin? <canthus13> TOledo. <jgould> you use modprobe to load modules, right?> <dmcglone> yes jgould <jgould> I'm down in Columbus <jgould> Damn... Locked it up again... <dmcglone> I'm going to give 11.04 a try for a few days before I knock it <Unit193> Was there a show of irc clients? <dmcglone> Unit193: nah, jacob just happen to be using his and we liked it <jgould> yep <dmcglone> I'm really not a fan of console apps, but this one isn't all that bad <jacob> irssi is another good terminal client if you're looking to try some out. I just found weechat easier to use <jacob> XChat is a nice graphical irc client, too <jgould> I like the way it looks <Unit193> irssi is what I use. It really is nice once you make it your own <jacob> in fact, the built-in chat client (empathy) on ubuntu supports IRC as well, though it can be annoying how it handles some things. <dmcglone> I hated empathy <dmcglone> I hated that piece of shit with a passion <dmcglone> lol <jacob> it's not all that bad ;) <dmcglone> I normally use pidgon <Unit193> pidgin* <jacob> i don't use it for irc, but empathy is a rather nice jabber/gtalk client <dmcglone> pidgin blows it out of the water <Unit193> And it supports Gtalk voice <dmcglone> If pidgon wasn't around I'd switch to KDE's one <jacob> a matter of opinion, really. pidgin does some thing I don't care for, but I digress ;) <jgould> I will say that Multitouch is something that I will miss ifI make the switch to the Ubuntu <jacob> empathy supports voice as well, it did before pidgin, actually.. <Unit193> I didn't know this as I don't use Empathy <jacob> anyway, i need to get back to writing this speech :D <dmcglone> Ok <Unit193> jacob: Good luck! <jacob> ty <jacob> (it's an easy class, I just don't want to do it. :P) <jgould> That sounds like me <dmcglone> on the last release of Ubuntu, I needed to get drivers for my netowrk card, but unity set it up in a jiff <dmcglone> jacob: when I was in college, I wanted to do it, but I was just too lazy.. :-) <jacob> heh heh * canthus13 loves irssi. :) <dmcglone> I procrastinated all the fuckin time * canthus13 will procrastinate next week. <jgould> Stupid brain... <dmcglone> all I wanted to do is drink and play hacky sack <dmcglone> why next week canthus13? <canthus13> :P <Unit193> dmcglone: A funny joke... <jgould> Duh... Bluetooth keybaord isn't working to accecpt the command to go into single user <dmcglone> jgould: sound like too much hassle than what it's worth <jgould> Nope, just have to use the built in keybaord on the macbook <dmcglone> Unit193: I missed the joke :-/ <Unit193> dmcglone: I'll procrastinate later.... <dmcglone> It's a shame you couldn't make it today Unit193 <Unit193> dmcglone: I know! I wanted to see the people I talk to ;) <dmcglone> Ubuntu-Ohio ROCKS <Unit193> ...So I know they are not just a bunch of stalkers <jgould> Hey! I'm brand new, so what does that tell you <Unit193> New stalker? ;) <jgould> Yes, New stalker <jgould> fresh out of stalker school ;) <dmcglone> jgould: you the one with the white mac right? <jgould> silver, but yes <Unit193> I really missed out on all the fun... <dmcglone> yes jgould is the stalker and I'm the troll <jgould> My wife was bored <Unit193> I thought I was the stalker? What am I? <dmcglone> Jacob tried to steal my trolling duties today <jgould> you are the stalkee <jacob> i did? ;) * dmcglone is the best troll on IRC <dmcglone> lol jacob shouldn't you be writing? <dmcglone> LOL <jacob> i am, i am :D * jacob gets pinged when name is said, so is curious <dmcglone> yeah, yeah. been there done that, you can't tell me otherwise.. LOL <dmcglone> oops <dmcglone> sorry <dmcglone> I forget that happens. can't blame a deaf guy who doesn't hear pings <dmcglone> LOL <jacob> no problem, if it really mattered i'd turn off notifications for it, but i'm just idly writing anyway <paultag> heyya all <jgould> LOL <jacob> hey hey paultag <paultag> wutttup jacob <jgould> Hey paultag <dmcglone> yo paultag <paultag> jacob: s'new? <paultag> heyya jgould, dmcglone <jacob> paultag: the toll of class, as usual. writing something for speech class, oh joy <paultag> jacob: aye aye <dmcglone> I think since I made BiosElement drag his ass to the meet, he went home and went to bed <BiosElement> Nah, I didn't. <dmcglone> haha <dmcglone> that got his ass out <dmcglone> lol <Unit193> Might want more then just that part of him... <jacob> (lol.) <dmcglone> he was sitting there secretly watching us, just waiting for his opportunity to pounce <BiosElement> >.> <dmcglone> I think Cheri703 is ghosting on us <paultag> I do that a lot * jacob is a pro idler <paultag> +1 <dmcglone> I never ghost, it's a form of voyerism ;-) <dmcglone> lol * canthus13 rattles his chains, moans. <dmcglone> get a room canthus13 <dmcglone> lol <paultag> canthus13: getting in to that freeky stuff, eh? <jgould> Heh * dmcglone is a troll for hire <dmcglone> 1,500/hr <jgould> I have 8GB of Ram, I don't think I'm going to need swap... <dmcglone> Tomorrow I'm going to go buy 50 Gnomes for my front yard <dmcglone> probably not, but I can't say what the norm is anymore <dmcglone> some shit I've seen are mem hogs <dmcglone> Oh wait, that was KDE haha <Cheri703> what about me? <jgould> *ponders a name for this system * Cheri703 was in the other room <dmcglone> you were ghosting <dmcglone> ;-) <Cheri703> mmk <dmcglone> waiting for the guys to let it all hang out and then jump in and slap the shit out of us <dmcglone> ;-) <Cheri703> nah, only when absolutely needed <dmcglone> Should've been there today <jgould> Then my wife wouldn't have been the only girl... XD <Cheri703> yeah, I wanted to! <Cheri703> jgould: does your wife use ubuntu? <jgould> Cheri703: nope, she just tagged along. She was bored <dmcglone> jgould: don't say that, I haven't come out of the closet yet...;-) <Cheri703> understandable <Cheri703> there is an ubuntu-women project. helps encourage women jump into the boy's club and participate/use ubuntu <jgould> She is unable to use Ubuntu as it's screen reader still has a ways to go <dmcglone> yeah it does <Cheri703> ah, there is also an ubuntu-accessibility team <Cheri703> working on improving stuff like that :) <jgould> like the system bell? <jgould> Heh <Cheri703> no like orca and rewriting things to work with it and such * dmcglone is trying to figure out how to pm others with weechat <paultag> /msg <dmcglone> Ah <Unit193> /msg paultag You're doing a bad job <paultag> /can't put a slash without a space before it? <paultag> /problem? <dmcglone> weird, nothing happened <paultag> dmcglone: you PM'd me, if you were trying <dmcglone> yeah and I see "Act: 3:paultag,1 <dmcglone> but don't know how to see the messages from anyone <jgould> Control N <jgould> they apper on the console (window 1) <jgould> Now I need to learn how to set a screen up for IRC so I can just connect to that <Unit193> screen then type weechat-curses <jgould> I got that part, but it looked like jacob had a screen session just for irc <dmcglone> he was just using it in a window I believe <jgould> it was a specific screen session on his server at home <dmcglone> ah must've been using ssh <dmcglone> is that right jacob <Unit193> You can be set as away if you detach from screen <dmcglone> what do you mean Unit193 <Unit193> You know you can detach from screen? When you do that, it can set you as away <dmcglone> how do you detach from screen? <Unit193> C-A d <Unit193> Ctrl + a d <dmcglone> nothing :-/ <Unit193> [detached from 1705.pts-0.Zeta] <Unit193> Ctrl + a then ? <Unit193> man screen <dmcglone> man screen <dmcglone> dang <Unit193> In a terminal window.... <paultag> dmcglone: did you start a screen? <paultag> dmcglone: with the screen command <dmcglone> no paultag <dmcglone> can't figure out how <paultag> there's your problem <paultag> dmcglone: `screen' <paultag> it's a command <dmcglone> Ok I started byobu <jgould> screen is useful on a server install. <dmcglone> what is the purpose of byobu <jgould> Never used it <dmcglone> Ah so buobu enables you to create a bunch of windows in a console correct? <dmcglone> byobu* <jgould> why does this happne? * jgould bashes his head into the desk <dmcglone> it looks like one would start byobu and run weechat, etc inside that console <dmcglone> jgould: what happened? <jgould> two installs of Xubuntu, one 32 bit, one 64 bit. the 64 bit install can see my server, the 32 bit can not... I does not understand <dmcglone> thats a question for Unit193 he likes Xubuntu <jgould> and ndiswrapper just took out my machine <dmcglone> anyone know how to create an install CD or USB Stick with an exact replica of a fully customized install? <dmcglone> if it's possible <jgould> I think it is, but I can't tell you how to do it. <Cheri703> dmcglone: UCK Ubuntu custom kitchen (or something like that) <dmcglone> I know theres a way to make a list of all the apps instlled, but don't know how to use it to automatically install those apps on a fresh system <Cheri703> oh, you can save the package list in synaptic <Cheri703> and then load it <Cheri703> or something <dmcglone> is that so. heh <dmcglone> I'll try that <Cheri703> open synaptic <jgould> but don't you have to have synaptic on the other system for that? <dmcglone> synaptic <dmcglone> oops <Cheri703> you can "save markings" <Unit193> You have to have dpkg <dmcglone> does it automatically install the upgraded verson? <Unit193> It doesn't save what version you had, only the package <dmcglone> ok thats what I want <dmcglone> I want to try 11.04 but I dread having to install all my packages again <Unit193> jgould: What's your servers OS? How can you access it? <jgould> 10.04 LTS and with Samba. (I've never really tried to work with NFS before <Unit193> Are you using Gigolo? And 11.04? <Unit193> (Client) <jgould> I just tried gigolo, and it's not letting me view the share (or the network for that matter) and I *think* this install is 10.04 <canthus13> jgould: NFS is simple. much easier than Samba. <Unit193> (Just to make sure) You're using "Windows Shares" Server type and "Server" is formatted as: \\$IP ? <jgould> I've never run a linux server and client. (The MacOS is close, but it's not Linux...) My wife's laptop is the only windows client in the house <canthus13> jgould: OSX at the CLI is pretty close and follows posix standards well enough. <canthus13> jgould: My wife no longer uses windows, and threatened to cut me off if I put it back on her laptop. :) <deejoe> d'oh <jgould> My wife can't use Ubuntu <jgould> Unit193: That's what I did, and no joy <canthus13> jgould: My wife picked it up pretty quick. She uses vbox for the one or two windows programs she has to have. <jgould> canthus13: Orca isn't up to par yet... Maybe once it is I can get her to switch... <dmcglone> canthus13: his wife needs a decent screen reader <Unit193> jgould: Sometimes that doesn't show the list but you can still connect <jgould> I can't pull up the movies share on the server <canthus13> jgould: Really? Wow. I worked with a blind guy that was BEGGING to be allowed to use ubuntu. He liked Orca way better than Jaws. <jgould> the log file shows I'm connected, but I can't browse to it <jgould> It's been a while since we've used it, but when we looked at it, orca wasn't ready <Cheri703> jgould: if you want, I could put you in touch with someone who uses/works with orca <canthus13> jgould: this was about 2 years ago.. I dunno how orca will handle Unity, though. It seems to integrate quite will with Gnome 2, and will probably handle Gnome 3 fairly well. <BiosElement> canthus13: Unity should have pretty strong usability requirements since a bit aspect of ubuntu is accessibility,. I'll look into it tomorrow. <dmcglone> bbl going to install unity : <jgould> I'm about to take this Xubuntu install and make it a regular Ubuntu install.. <canthus13> BiosElement: I'm sure they'll do something to break Orca, though. :P <BiosElement> Heh <Cheri703> BiosElement, canthus13 the accessibility team is on it :) <canthus13> BiosElement: Orca is a Gnome project, so I expect that it'll handle Gnome3 quite nicely. <jgould> Cheri703: let me talk to the missus about that and see waht she says <canthus13> jgould: I can also put you on to someone intimately familiar with Orca. <Cheri703> ok, I'll poke around and see if I can get in touch with someone really familiar with it. I'm sort of part of the accessibility team, and so those are the people on the front lines of getting it working better :) <jgould> and feedback will help that <Cheri703> yeah <jgould> My Mac Mini is my testing box. I'll run an OS for a day, then go, Eh... and change it <Cheri703> definitely, so having another person who can test and give real-life feedback is helpful <jgould> Hmm. Is my desktop comptuer plugged into a power souce? <Unit193> No <jgould> Heh <jgould> I do have to say that Linux has come a long way since I started with Slackware... <canthus13> jgould: :D * canthus13 started with Caldera OpenLinux 2.3... <canthus13> About to see if everything works with the latest Liquorix kernel.... :) <Unit193> Too many kernels... * Unit193 just uses the default... <canthus13> Hmm.
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