#ubuntu-us-co 2011-04-01 <nealmcb> irssi is amazing - I have it running on a tired old laptop that I hardly ever use, and finally checked in this evening (from my nice fast new lemur) to see what I've missed over the weeks/months. It is still plugging along nicely. Glad to see activity every few days here.... <nealmcb> and time for the Ubuntu Global Jam!! <FunnyLookinHat> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/04/01/1212219/Debaian-OpenSUSE-Arch-Gentoo-and-Grml-Merge?from=twitter <nealmcb> irssi is amazing - I have it running on a tired old laptop that I hardly ever use, and finally checked in this evening (from my nice fast new lemur) to see what I've missed over the weeks/months. It is still plugging along nicely. Glad to see activity every few days here.... <nealmcb> and time for the Ubuntu Global Jam!! <nealmcb> (reposted now that FunnyLookinHat is back online :) <FunnyLookinHat> Eh ? <FunnyLookinHat> Oh wow I dropped... again... lame :) * nealmcb hasn't dropped since mid-jan..... <FunnyLookinHat> Lemur - nice! <FunnyLookinHat> I got a thinkpad recently, and it's flying along with 10.10 <nealmcb> or at least I came back up automatically..... <nealmcb> nice <FunnyLookinHat> I'd install 11.04 but I'm waiting for the RC as I use this for work, etc. <nealmcb> 8 GB also - finally enough memory.... <FunnyLookinHat> Oh wow <nealmcb> http://blog.chromium.org/2011/04/taking-chrome-to-lite-speeds.html <FunnyLookinHat> LOL <ToyKeeper> Oops, looks like natty escaped a bit early: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/google-earth-renders-cheeky-narwhal-outside-canonicals-office/ <ToyKeeper> FunnyLookinHat: I got a thinkpad about 3 weeks ago... X201 w/ 12" 1280x800 screen, 3lbs, 2.66GHz i5 M480 dual-core CPU, 8GiB RAM, cheapo hard drive. <ToyKeeper> I'm curious what your wireless chipset is, and how well it works in Linux. The rtl8191SEvB they included by default was horrible and I had to replace it. It only worked for about 15 minutes per boot, and would hard-lock the system if I tried to recover it without rebooting. <ToyKeeper> I ended up having flash a modified BIOS so I could boot with a different wifi card, because thinkpads still have that stupid hardware lock-in whitelist. <FunnyLookinHat> Wow - that's slick <FunnyLookinHat> My wireless works great - it's the Intel Centrino wireless though - and that traditionally has worked flawlessly with Ubuntu <FunnyLookinHat> I have a T410 w/ the nVidia Optimus Graphics setup - which is a total pain because it's completely unsupported at this point, forcing me to choose to run in either Intel or nVidia mode via BIOS <ToyKeeper> Ah, okay. I should have just paid the extra $20 for an intel card, but it *looked* like the default one was supported so I didn't bother. <FunnyLookinHat> And switching it kills X and all that jazz. <FunnyLookinHat> Ah yea - I literally always go Intel for wireless because it's worth the time saved, etc. <ToyKeeper> It has a driver, and it sort of works... but it isn't expected to work reliably until at least 2.6.39, which won't be in 11.04. <FunnyLookinHat> ToyKeeper, You mean Optimus ? <FunnyLookinHat> Or your wireless? <ToyKeeper> The wireless. <FunnyLookinHat> ah <FunnyLookinHat> You got my hopes up. :) <ToyKeeper> I almost got a T410, but it would have cost more for the same specs for some reason, and although a 1440x900 screen would be nice, I decided it wasn't worth the extra 2" of bulk. <ToyKeeper> I wanted a minimum of 8GiB RAM, since I eat memory like crazy by leaving everything open all the time. <FunnyLookinHat> Ah <FunnyLookinHat> I code on this machine - and since I can't always have my 23" monitor in front of me it was worth it. <FunnyLookinHat> the 1440x900 is definitely VERY nice. Makes the screen size worth it for sure (unlike most other 14" notebooks out there) <FunnyLookinHat> I'm only at 4 GB RAM right now... I'm considering going up to 8... but so far 4 works... <FunnyLookinHat> I'm not even on x64 yet - so it'd be a waste w/ the graphics memory anyways. <ToyKeeper> I code on this one too, but I like my notebooks small. <FunnyLookinHat> Ah <FunnyLookinHat> What sort of battery life do you get with that ? <FunnyLookinHat> (on Ubuntu) <ToyKeeper> I dunno. I hardly ever use the battery. However, this one is supposedly a 6-hour battery. <FunnyLookinHat> I sprung for the 9-Cell and can get about 4-5 hours with my normal routine (browser, eclipse, etc.) <FunnyLookinHat> You gonna be at the release party ? <ToyKeeper> I'm not sure... this is the first I heard of it. <ToyKeeper> Hmm, Sunday May 2, 2010 at Bar Louie in Westminster, CO @ 5:30pm. <ToyKeeper> Most likely, yes. <ToyKeeper> ... and then UDS about a week later. <ToyKeeper> Any idea what the non-meaty food is like at Bar Louie? <ToyKeeper> Oh, wait. Wrong year. <ToyKeeper> When/where is this year's party? <FunnyLookinHat> Hah <FunnyLookinHat> Sunday May 1st at Hanson's Pub <FunnyLookinHat> in Wash Park on Old Pearl St. <FunnyLookinHat> err - Pearl St. <FunnyLookinHat> You're going to UDS? I didn't know you were involved in Ubuntu dev. <ToyKeeper> I wasn't really, until about a month ago. <FunnyLookinHat> hah! <FunnyLookinHat> Nice :) <ToyKeeper> Hmm, looks like someone finally set my cloak. It works a little weird though; gotta leave and re-join channels to make it take effect. <ToyKeeper> There, that's better. #ubuntu-us-co 2011-04-02 <nealmcb> funny you all should mention the reatek. That was the first problem I had with the lemur: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/585938 <lubotu1> Launchpad bug 585938 in linux (Ubuntu) "r8192se_pci + powertop (iwpriv -a) = kernel panic" [Medium,Confirmed] <nealmcb> ToyKeeper: so what happened a month ago? Hungary ftw! <nealmcb> joey - join the party! <ToyKeeper> nealmcb: Oh, what happened is I got hired. <ToyKeeper> I'm not working directly on Ubuntu though; I'm doing infrastructure and support for the ISD team. <nealmcb> ToyKeeper: nice! <nealmcb> Headed out to the Farmer's market, then to Panera. Hope we have more than 2 for our local Ubuntu Global Jam :) <nealmcb> ...which is at 13:00 today, Panera - 29th st mall in Boulder * nealmcb looks around for ihodge@example.net.... <nealmcb> w0jrl: joining the ubuntu global jam? <w0jrl> nealmcb, yes, I wanted to see what this is all about. <w0jrl> I am in Denver, so this is the only way I can join. <nealmcb> w0jrl: is that Nick? <w0jrl> My name is Jeremy <nealmcb> welcome to the jam. Did you see the link I posted earlier on how to contribute? <nealmcb> what sorts of things are you interested in? <w0jrl> I have not read it yet. I have been working a few minor bugs with the Orca screen reader. <nealmcb> sweet. Which bugs? <w0jrl> main sugesting ways to the list to make orca work with natty <w0jrl> at the moment, orca is very unstable in unity. in my testing I couldn't access things like the applications menu or the notification ariea. There are alot of keyboard shortcuts missing. <nealmcb> yum. I hope that doesn't happen with many apps.... I Haven't tried natty yet. <nealmcb> hopefully that's because screen readers are doing unusual things.... <w0jrl> Word to the wise, try it in a VM if you can. <w0jrl> Well, part of the issue is that events that need to be passed to orca aren't geting there. <w0jrl> for example, the new launcher (as I understand it gos down the left side of the screen) is not ihodge@example.net. This is a real bummer for me because I am a blind user, and need items on that bar to be spoken. <nealmcb> Yeah - that sounds like a pretty big issue. Are there any alternatives to Orca, or is really a Unity problem? <nealmcb> Welcome, Nick! <nealmcb> 3 of us now - w0jrl (Jeremy) also <Guest95671> Thanks finally figured out how to join an IRC, haha. <nealmcb> great <Guest95671> Hi Jeremy <Guest95671> Hello Neil; you can disregard my last email obviously <nealmcb> (Neal) <Guest95671> Oh, sorry Neal <w0jrl> I am also trying to figure out a way to create an all-in-one scanning/ocr solution that is accessible. The default scanning tool in ubuntu is nice, but there is no way to tell what I scanned, or even if I have the sheet placed on the bed correctly. <w0jrl> hello <nealmcb> :) <nealmcb> w0jrl: Sounds like another great place to contribute! <Guest95671> What is a good open source IRC client. I had to 'evaluate mIRC' in windows and want to join with my Ubuntu system next time <w0jrl> If you all use smilies, will you put a text description beside them please? Orca has no idea what they are. <nealmcb> I've used both irssi (for folks that like fast flexible text-oriented stuff) and pidgin <w0jrl> empathy does well with irc. <Guest95671> Oh, I didn't even think of Pidgin....wow. <Guest95671> I just installed Ubuntu again on my new laptop and haven't quite had the time to configure everything <w0jrl> I am using empathy at the moment. <nealmcb> w0jrl: do you mean graphical smilies in something like pidgin, or text smilies like the :) smiley <w0jrl> gui <w0jrl> graphival <Guest95671> You gents going to be here for a bit? <w0jrl> yeah <Guest95671> I need to get my little one to sleep, takes me about an hour. <nealmcb> I may head home soon <w0jrl> I'm guessing there no one at your location neal? <Guest95671> Sorry to not keep your physical company there, Neal <Guest95671> gotta take care of naptime, ha. see you folks in a bit. <nealmcb> Right - just ihodge@example.net. <w0jrl> I wish I could be there as well, but bus travel from Denver can be a pain in the ***. <nealmcb> I can believe that. And the virtual world can work really well :) <w0jrl> yes <nealmcb> Well, I'm gonna walk home now. Such a beautiful day. <nealmcb> (in case you missed that...) Well, I'm gonna walk home now. Such a beautiful day. <w0jrl> ok <w0jrl> If you get bavk on, I'll be here. <nealmcb> Thanks again for joining in and helping out, w0jrl! Hope to meet you in person some day <nealmcb> Great <w0jrl> I hope to meet you in person as well. <nealmcb> And my irc client is on a proxy at home, so I'll see what is posted while I'm gone <w0jrl> neet! Do you login using ssh? <Guest95671> Hey, sorry. I'm back now <nealmcb> ahhh - just missed them.... #ubuntu-us-co 2011-04-04 <joey> oh sorry nealmcb_ ... seems my canonical mail had a hiccup and I just got several emails from Friday only today #ubuntu-us-co 2011-04-05 <joey> anyone running natty yet <joey> wondering if it's stable enough to upgrade to <FunnyLookinHat> joey, I'm waiting for RC since I work on this machine... :) #ubuntu-us-co 2011-04-10 <thoams> Hi all! This isn't Ubuntu specific, forgive me. Just learning to use Linux. Suppose I start a program, say gedit, from a terminal . The terminal appears to be tied to the gedit process, and I can't use it again as a terminal until I've closed gedit. Is there a flag or something to get programs to start so that they don't tie up the terminal invoking them? <thoams> Got it! &. #ubuntu-us-co 2011-04-12 <dunya> is anyone home? <dunya> I was going to see if there might b some awake to ask if their is a way to see if you can recover packages that you installed but 'lost' <FunnyLookinHat> dunya, ehhhh <FunnyLookinHat> You hailed ? <dunya> example downloaded blah blah programme but cant find it when you look for it <FunnyLookinHat> Can't find it where - in your Gnome Application menu ? <dunya> i get nervous typing on irc im sorry if its not makeing sense <dunya> yes <dunya> in the application menu <FunnyLookinHat> Hmm. <dunya> i also lost other things as well and i havent found a command to put them back <FunnyLookinHat> What application ? <dunya> kismet <FunnyLookinHat> try running it from the command line to make sure it's still installed? <FunnyLookinHat> Then if it is, you can just manually add a launcher to your gnome panel (Right click - Edit Menus) <dunya> ive been told kismet is exactly a go to starter programe for newbies but it was there and i was sick of no internet .. <dunya> ok <dunya> ok <FunnyLookinHat> I'm not really familiar with Kismet - <FunnyLookinHat> But if it's on your system, that's how you can create a launcher for it again. :) <dunya> yeah <dunya> lol <dunya> kismet im finding to weird <dunya> is thier any other thing like it <dunya> wireshark i think hates me <dunya> i wouldnt use apt get to run the programe would i <ToyKeeper> FunnyLookinHat: Any plans to update the ubuntu-us-co web site? I almost put last year's release party on my calendar, until I noticed the year was wrong. <FunnyLookinHat> ToyKeeper, Ah - you know... someone should do that. <FunnyLookinHat> The meetup is what you should use as the calendar event if anything. <FunnyLookinHat> http://www.meetup.com/The-Denver-Boulder-Linux-Meetup-Group/events/17146193/ <ToyKeeper> Yeah, but a search for "ubuntu colorado" leads to http://coloco.ubuntu-rocks.org/ ... which has a big announcement for the 10.04 release party. <dunya> a party <dunya> i always come back when the good stuff is discussed :) <ToyKeeper> The meetup group isn't particularly discoverable... at least, not on the first page of search results, and even though I'm on the mailing list I hadn't heard of it. <dunya> oh <dunya> is this a good site for commands or should i go to the ubuntu site for themhttp://www.unixguide.net/linux/linuxshortcuts.shtml <ToyKeeper> dunya: If you want to look through the packages you have installed, you could use the package manager or synaptic to browse... or run 'dpkg -l | grep blah' to look for packages matching 'blah'. <dunya> ooooo <ToyKeeper> Once you find a package, you can list the files in it with 'dpkg -L mypackagename', or look for executable programs in the package with 'dpkg -L mypackagename | grep bin'. <dunya> wow <ToyKeeper> Or just take a guess... open a terminal and then type mypa<tab> and chances are the shell will tab-complete the rest of the name for you. <dunya> i feel like such a noob <dunya> yeah i did mange to get that to work only it keeps saying file doesnt exist\ <dunya> im assuming it exists but in the temp folder like in windows <ToyKeeper> BTW, why do you use kismet? Trying to do some wardriving or break into someone's network? <dunya> um <dunya> i dont have internet <dunya> and the highschool next door has wifi <dunya> and i was desirus of leeching it to get my email and get local news <dunya> i havent used kismet because im way too much of a noob to get it going <ToyKeeper> The default network-manager applet should be able to tell you which networks are nearby. <dunya> wire shark only counts the loop back <dunya> it does they all have padlocks :( <dunya> (need a key) <ToyKeeper> Ah, so you are trying to get into a network designed to keep you out. <dunya> yes <dunya> i wish i didnt have to try <ToyKeeper> Kismet can analyze traffic for some of the weaker types of encrypted networks, but it's not going to do you much good for anything recent. <dunya> but one of my friends is a truck driver he swears but it <dunya> yeah <ToyKeeper> Unless they're using security tech from like 2003, you're probably out of luck. <dunya> i am think so as nwell but just to see whats around i can do that with wicid <dunya> not the high school they are up to date they use all linux <dunya> i guess i could ask the principal if i could use the schools wifi <dunya> kismet is a traffic "viewer' I take it then <ToyKeeper> It's mostly a scanning / wardriving tool. It puts the card into promiscuous mode and reports on any random traffic it can hear. <dunya> like finding hidden networks <ToyKeeper> For most people, it's irrelevant... because network-manager can also scan and show any networks nearby which don't have "keep out" signs on them. <dunya> um i turned that off somehow and cant access it for love or money <ToyKeeper> Kismet is more useful if you want to drive around until you find an open access point. <ToyKeeper> I can't really tell you much about gnome or the default ubuntu desktop and GUI tools. I don't use them. <dunya> the buss is raqther unclassy for 'driveing' around looking for open nets <dunya> id like not to use them hence capt turn off stuff before he knows exactly how to turn it back when screws it up <dunya> im not exactly the most cafreful user when it comes to the package manager <dunya> and i dont know how to use grub at all <ToyKeeper> If there's any way you can do so, it would be immensely easier and more legal to get your own internet service. <ToyKeeper> FunnyLookinHat: Anyway, I mention the coloco site because some people in my area were trying to find a release party and weren't able to. I had to tell them about it, since I'm the only one who was on the mailing list to hear about it. <ToyKeeper> (and the channel topic still points to the non-updated site, misleading anyone who gets far enough to look here) <dunya> yeah <dunya> im trying to remove the kismet now <dunya> its over my head and does what wicid does anyhow <dunya> they have it updated but you said my magic word legal <dunya> all that crud i dowloaded for nuthing grrrrr <dunya> thanks toykeeper <dunya> and funny looking <dunya> this is a good site http://lnag.sourceforge.net/ <ToyKeeper> Cool. I don't know what's good for new users... been a linux sysadmin for 15 years, so it's a bit hard to relate. <dunya> yeah <dunya> i try to be a educated noob <dunya> bravely and boldly going forward <dunya> and asking advice when somthing is just too good sounding to be true <dunya> wow <dunya> 15 years of running nix <dunya> how many times have you had to reboot the server:) <FunnyLookinHat> ToyKeeper, Thanks for the heads up - I'll make sure everything gets updated. <ToyKeeper> :) <dunya> lol <dunya> toykeeper when did broadcom start supporting linux <ToyKeeper> I don't know. <dunya> it was rather cool finding a actual driver on their website <ToyKeeper> I really should reboot more often though. I last logged into my notebook over 2 years ago. It has been running all that time with ~300 windows open and no problems, but it would be a good idea to update to current software... <dunya> :) <dunya> that cannot happen with windows <ToyKeeper> BTW, in general, it's a bad idea in Linux to use any drivers directly from vendors. <ToyKeeper> Once in a great while, it's necessary, but it's pretty uncommon. Distro-supplied stuff is preferable 99% of the time. <dunya> yeah i dled it and read in the kismet forums that use should use one from canotical or where you get your stuff from in ubuntu i.e the package manger would be best <ToyKeeper> Same goes for software in general. Don't build it or install from upstream unless you have to. <dunya> of course my rihno dl method i dl then google <dunya> yeah kismet was like oh yeah you just use apt get blah blah i should have stopped when it said 404 <dunya> i didnt tear anything up though <dunya> i hear there is a new ubuntu comming up <dunya> natty narwhal <FunnyLookinHat> ToyKeeper, site updated. <ToyKeeper> Sweet! Thanks! <dunya> awsomnesss <FunnyLookinHat> gotta call hansons - they were supposed to call me today to help reserve the room. <dunya> ever notice that governments run some countries like chatrooms <FunnyLookinHat> errr <FunnyLookinHat> ? <dunya> i was makeing a random statemet possibly humourous <dunya> i c u l8ters #ubuntu-us-co 2011-04-15 <nealmcb> FunnyLookinHat: thanks for updating the home page! <FunnyLookinHat> hey sure thing <FunnyLookinHat> ToyKeeper reminded me. <FunnyLookinHat> Hah <FunnyLookinHat> I had forgotten about the website... :-/ <FunnyLookinHat> Been so busy with work - I'm falling way behind on what I had hoped to do with CoLoCo #ubuntu-us-co 2011-04-25 <BCJOHN> so everybody here? at CU BOULDER <donkeyofdarkness> I'm here <ToyKeeper> I'm not sure if I'll make it to the release party or not. I've been kind of unwell and exhausted a lot. #ubuntu-us-co 2011-04-26 <donkeyofdarkness> Do these release parties have beer? <donkeyofdarkness> nvm. I see that it's at a pub <donkeyofdarkness> :P <donkeyofdarkness> I might be there if I'm awake. I work nights and get off at 8am that morning :/ <donkeyofdarkness> yeah. I'll probably go. <FunnyLookinHat> donkeyofdarkness, GOOD beer at Hansons <FunnyLookinHat> Be there. <FunnyLookinHat> If you don't come - I h4x you. <donkeyofdarkness> Do they have Becks? <FunnyLookinHat> errr <FunnyLookinHat> N/a I think :( <FunnyLookinHat> http://www.hansonsgrill-tavern.com/id5.html <FunnyLookinHat> I like IPAs so I usually get the Sierra Nevada <donkeyofdarkness> I pretty much only drink Becks, Heineken, and Amstel Light. <donkeyofdarkness> they have the latter 2 so I'll be good <donkeyofdarkness> :) <FunnyLookinHat> Nice :) <FunnyLookinHat> bbl <donkeyofdarkness> Does Hansons have the wifis? <donkeyofdarkness> And will I be attacked and severely beaten if my laptop is running Arch Linux?? #ubuntu-us-co 2011-04-28 <soreau> Well that was lame <soreau> I didnt read the topic and wondering where everyone was for the release <soreau> Then wondering why everyone was speaking Spanish <soreau> I thought colorado was getting taken over for a second until I realized #ubuntu-co is for Colombia xD <soreau> Did everyone have an awesome release party? <soreau> Not to celebrate the new ubuntu release per se, just an excuse to get fucked up :D <FunnyLookinHat> Hahahaha <FunnyLookinHat> soreau, release party is this Sunday <soreau> FunnyLookinHat: Oh really? Where? <FunnyLookinHat> soreau, Hanson's Grill & Tavern <FunnyLookinHat> Announcement here: http://coloco.ubuntu-rocks.org/2011/04/12/natty-narwhal-ubuntu-11-04-release-party/ <soreau> Oh cool <soreau> that looks up-town classy <FunnyLookinHat> You should come <FunnyLookinHat> It'll be fun <soreau> Well I'm moving saturday so I doubt I'll be able to <FunnyLookinHat> Bugger <soreau> Who knows, I might get manic and surprise anyone <soreau> ;) <soreau> FunnyLookinHat: Will you be the guy wearing the funny looking hat? <FunnyLookinHat> Hahaha <FunnyLookinHat> No <soreau> Are there any specific plans other than to meet up at the bar? <FunnyLookinHat> We're going to be talking about an opportunity to demo linux at the TIE conference this summer <FunnyLookinHat> And about setting up Gnome 3 as an alternative to Unity I believe <FunnyLookinHat> Other than that we usually just hang out - talk shop - etc. It's never a dull moment... <soreau> TIE conference next year? <soreau> The page I'm looking at says 'the annual' conference was already april 15-17 in sioux falls, south dakota #ubuntu-us-co 2011-04-29 <nealmcb> soreau: TIE == http://tiecolorado.org/ <nealmcb> One of the loco members often does a cool free software session there <soreau> nealmcb: I was looking at the wrong site, thanks <FunnyLookinHat> Ah - <FunnyLookinHat> Sorry I just saw your question from yesterday :-/ <FunnyLookinHat> excited to upgrade his laptop to 11.04 x64 tonight! <FunnyLookinHat> Been running 32bit because of wine issues... but I think they've been flushed out <nealmcb> soreau: See also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TIEColorado08 <soreau> looks like that's from.. '08 <nealmcb> yup - but gives you a sense for some previous activities <nealmcb> I don't know if there is a web page about this years stuff. But we're discussing it on the mailing list <nealmcb> ...which you should join :) #ubuntu-us-co 2011-04-30 <nealmcb> soreau: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TIEColorado11 #ubuntu-us-co 2012-04-07 <sudo-phantom_> hey guys #ubuntu-us-co 2012-04-09 <wbullock> can anyone help me with an issue I'm having regarding and IP Address change and using apt-get update #ubuntu-us-co 2012-04-12 <AlmostCoolGeek> howdy <FunnyLookinHat> Hey there. <AlmostCoolGeek> wow kvirc looks great as it has been a long while since I used it.. gotta love apt-get hehe <FunnyLookinHat> I'm an XChat2 guy myself. <AlmostCoolGeek> anyone here code for a living? have some basic questions about code I have for tutorials in Windows and want to do them in linux <FunnyLookinHat> Mostly because I have a ton of servers/channels saved as auto-joins and logins that I don't want to setup again. <FunnyLookinHat> I do. <FunnyLookinHat> What language ? <AlmostCoolGeek> FunnyLookinHat: well xchat would be the way to go <AlmostCoolGeek> cpp <FunnyLookinHat> If it's standard cpp then g++ should handle it fine - got a link to the tutorials? <FunnyLookinHat> i.e. you should be able to get away with "sudo apt-get install build-essential" and from there be able to do "g++ whatever.cpp -o whatever" and then run it with "./whatever" <AlmostCoolGeek> ok so in the code I have there is a line ... system("PAUSE"); <AlmostCoolGeek> gcc did not like that <AlmostCoolGeek> just did the apt-get <FunnyLookinHat> That's because system is calling an OS command - system("PAUSE") is a pretty bad command to use in general <FunnyLookinHat> i.e. someone could take over the system and whenever PAUSE is called run whatever they want <AlmostCoolGeek> maybe that will change as I go on in the book hehe <FunnyLookinHat> This is a good explanation: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/900666/system-calls-in-c-and-their-roles-in-programming <FunnyLookinHat> :D <FunnyLookinHat> I personally recommend this book if you want to learn via book: http://www.amazon.com/Swans-Linux-Professional-Dev-Guide/dp/0789721538 <FunnyLookinHat> It's not a great resource on current standards - but it reads pretty easily and helps you adjust the C++ in the *nix world <AlmostCoolGeek> oh cool <FunnyLookinHat> Another really great place to learn C++ <FunnyLookinHat> http://www.wibit.net/ <FunnyLookinHat> They do video tutorials with code samples and lessons - it's REALLY good to get started - but won't take you much further than basic OO stuff. <FunnyLookinHat> err - specifically this: http://www.wibit.net/curriculum/the_c_lineage/programming_cpp <AlmostCoolGeek> *checking them out now <AlmostCoolGeek> and I am currently using C++ <AlmostCoolGeek> er C++ Without Fear by Brian Overland <AlmostCoolGeek> and I like it as I am SOOO not a programmer but I support a modeling tool so I am talking to more devlopers now than before when I supported a CM tool <FunnyLookinHat> ah <AlmostCoolGeek> plus being a hacker at heart, would like to be able to read code that bad guys use for exploits and understand them more... <FunnyLookinHat> :D <FunnyLookinHat> I think being able to read code at a basic level is more or less a requirement of most non-IT computer jobs these days. <AlmostCoolGeek> well if you are a legal secretary, why would you never need to read code? unless you had to do something with an IT case.. most end users dont even want to know why something was broken just that it got fixed <AlmostCoolGeek> from my days in desktop support :) <AlmostCoolGeek> I like that book by Tom Swan.. looks like it is right up my alley <AlmostCoolGeek> :) <AlmostCoolGeek> well thanks for the help.. back to work.. take care !! #ubuntu-us-co 2012-04-13 <jthan> Anyone alive here? <FunnyLookinHat> In case anyone here doesn't follow the mailing list: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/coloradoteam/1680/detail/ #ubuntu-us-co 2012-04-20 <ramsrambo> Need help installing Ubuntu 12 beta 2 #ubuntu-us-co 2012-04-26 <FunnyLookinHat> Happy release day everyone :D #ubuntu-us-co 2013-04-04 <esion__> hi guys <esion__> im trying to install ubuntu on my virtualbox but dnt have a cd rom how could i do this? #ubuntu-us-co 2013-04-11 <aprez> Hello hello hello :D #ubuntu-us-co 2013-04-25 <FunnyLookinHat> Happy release day guys :D #ubuntu-us-co 2014-04-03 <joey> ooh a webchat system76chick! * joey likes webchats! <joey> please poke me if I'm asleep <joey> I've just poked some other folks <system76chick> Thanks for joining! <system76chick> How are you? <joey> well it seems that I've been remiss system76chick <joey> let me fix your privs <joey> ah well, system76chick, please go register with nickserv! <joey> so I can give you irc privs <system76chick> I'll have to Google that real quick... <joey> http://www.freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration <nealmcb> ahh - getting down to the real basis of power in the Colorado Ubuntu Linux Team! ;) <joey> oops <system76chick> Thanks for being here Neal! <joey> med_: what's your normal IRC nick? <joey> saluton nealmcb! <joey> wow nealmcb... do you realize we started this channel 6 years, 18 weeks, 2 days, 22:01:47 ago? <joey> chanserv info is a wonderful thing <joey> at least that's when we renamed it <joey> I can't remember the original name any more... #colorado-team...#ubuntu-colorado...something <joey> Makyo, I figured you were bored anyway today :-D <Makyo> Code reviews upon code reviews upon code reviews. <joey> just what I like to hear! <joey> ok system76chick, you can now op yourself if you ever need to <joey> and change the topic <joey> etc <system76chick> ok! <FunnyLookinHat> Hello system76chick ! <system76chick> I just received my crash course in IRC. Thank you David and Joey! <joey> Glad to be of service <joey> I also did some serious pruning of the ACL <joey> I should probably set verbose on so everyone sees that when I (or someone else) does it <med_> joey, med_ on freenode is my normal. <med_> wassup? <joey> really I thought it was something different med_ <joey> like medberry <med_> that's my fullname <med_> and what I originally registered <med_> med_ is an alias <joey> gotcha <med_> but I consider the alias "regular" <med_> I tend to use it more. <nealmcb> Kaj saluton al vi, Jxoi! * med_ is in Prague atm <med_> on that thing called "vacation". <joey> med_: ah well in 30 minutes system76chick is going to have a meeting! here! <joey> I hear she brought cookies <nealmcb> Lets hope they're opt-in :) <nealmcb> And thanks, system76chick! * med_ would love some cookies but settles for TRDLO/TrdelnÃ­k <nealmcb> I just made the first post on http://coloco.ubuntu-rocks.org/ in 16 months.... <system76chick> Neal, that's awesome <joey> nice! <joey> Does anyone have access to our FB page? twitter? <Cheri703> Hey folks <system76chick> I manage those. I will share the blog post there now :) <system76chick> Hey Cheri! <med_> hello system76chick <joey> system76chick: nice! <system76chick> Hello med_! <nealmcb> system76chick: Do you have the G+ page also? <system76chick> I do :) <joey> I was just looking at all those pictures! <joey> I seem to be well behind the times <system76chick> I've been busy busy <system76chick> I can't get any attachments uploaded to the wiki though :( <Garheade> Well, system76chick is here, all we need is ian and we can start social media court <system76chick> LoL, Ian won't be joining us today. He's doing an onsite repair in Loveland <JudgeGar> Ugh... Icky day to be driving long distance. <system76chick> We had a great time laughing about that all day in the office. <Garheade> It was entertaining. <Garheade> I was trying to get Ian to clean your desk for you. <system76chick> I ended up cleaning my desk that day. I did get dinner out of it though! <Garheade> Well, theres that. <system76chick> Thank you for joining the Colorado Ubuntu Team meeting today! I wanted to reach out to everyone and see if anyone wanted to contribute to or volunteer for or add to any of the proposed Team Roadmap items listed on our meeting agenda. I can go through some of the items and see who can volunteer. <Cheri703> that was weird <system76chick> silly quassel... <Garheade> It might help to go through the list or a link to it <TonyNoOne> Possibly. I would need to dig up the roadmap again to review. <TonyNoOne> I would certainly be interested in taking a more active role. <decious> is there a link to the roadmap? <system76chick> 1. Post photos and events on the team Wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColoradoTeam <system76chick> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-us-co/768/detail/ <system76chick> Agenda: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-us-co/768/detail/ <Garheade> Thank you <TonyNoOne> I don't have the chops yet to contribute on a tech level but, I would be down for "outreach" and what not. <TonyNoOne> The Geeks Who Drink events sound fun....just need to stick with root beer, though. <system76chick> TonyNoOne: That's great. Root Beer is tasty! Geeks Who Drink is really fun. <Garheade> I don't mean to be critical but how does GWD help spread and support ubuntu? <Garheade> s/GWD/GHD/ <Garheade> er... <system76chick> People ask us about Ubuntu when we go. It's a great networking opportunity <Cheri703> it also helps build community among local members <TonyNoOne> I saw the photos of this week's event. <CoreyM-Denver> I am here to get familiar with this process, not sure how or if I can help just yet. <TonyNoOne> Just the sign alone should prompt questions. <system76chick> The sign's effective and definitely drew attention to us <system76chick> Face Time with your local members is always good too, no matter what you're doing. <TonyNoOne> Agreed. <system76chick> Cheri suggested Ubuntu hours at Panera <TonyNoOne> It's good for me to practice my social skills in front of real people. <system76chick> lol <Garheade> I ask only because, the other day, on CLUE, one person was talking about starting their own because GWD turned them off. <TonyNoOne> How so? <Cheri703> clue? <Garheade> Colorado Linux Users and Enthusiasts <joey> Another idea would be to interact with the local LUGs (again) and let them know that there is a local Ubuntu community. We could offer to have some folks join their install fests for example. <CoreyM-Denver> I like Joey's idea <system76chick> I think having a variety of events in different places is great, and people can pick and choose. I like Joey's idea too <TonyNoOne> I would be down for that, as well! <joey> (another = in addition to) <Cheri703> What the ohio team did was to have "ReLoCos" "really/regional local communities" which held ubuntu hours in various parts of the state, just basically one person committed to being at a panera during a certain time at least once a month, and other ubuntu folks could come hang out <joey> that's a catchy name! <Garheade> I like the ubuntu hours idea. <system76chick> Does anyone want to volunteer for hosting an Ubuntu hour in April? <joey> Something else that might be effective would be to run a free ad in some of the university news papers for an upcoming release party (for example). "Hey, did you know Colorado has it's own Ubuntu Local Community team? Come join us at X to celebrate the Release of Y!" <Cheri703> the ideal is to eventually have a set time at least once per month so we can put it on the website/wiki and new people can go find it without having to wonder/worry if the time/schedule is up to date. <joey> might be able to pull in folks that way <joey> where I'm going with this is outreach <TonyNoOne> I do think a monthly event is a good idea. <joey> We converted 3 or 4 schools that way to Ubuntu <TonyNoOne> Whether it's Ubuntu specific or... <joey> (sorry I'm drifting off topic a bit) <TonyNoOne> ...if we had an Ubuntu precense at existing events. <Cheri703> I think both would be positive <Cheri703> because while yes, other linux users might have interest in ubuntu, many ubuntu users won't give any ...cares about arch or fedora or whatever else. <TonyNoOne> I would be willing to setup an April "Ubuntu Hour". <TonyNoOne> Is there a reason why it would be at Panera? <system76chick> TonyNoOne: That's great! No, anywhere you'd like <TonyNoOne> OK. I'll put that on my to do list and get it done. <TonyNoOne> Likely the end of tghe month, though. <Cheri703> generally panera was what we chose in ohio because: free wifi, lots of food/drink options that range in price, so people have choices, comfy seating <TonyNoOne> Did you get with the Panera folks or just descend upon them? <joey> We've done lots at Panera here over the years <Cheri703> if you can find somewhere else that has choices *other* than just coffee and sugary sweets, that'd be ideal. :) <John___> Panera wifi is limited during lunch hour to half-hour. I think the exact hours are 11 to 1:30. <joey> including that place FunnyLookinHat found that was not on any map <TonyNoOne> There are other choices? <Garheade> Normally I would step up to help but I'm traveling to North West Linux Fest end of the month. <Cheri703> nope, just showed up. I mean, we often didn't have more than like 6 people, so yeah <Cheri703> if we had like 17 people, then probably a good call to check with them <TonyNoOne> Makes sense. <joey> if someone plans something near Longmont I'll commit to showing up <system76chick> If you want to let us know a day/time/place in an email, we can add it to the wiki <Garheade> You could look at local hackespaces. Denhac Concotory Tinkermill <TonyNoOne> Will do. <TonyNoOne> joey, I may try to set up a couple... <Cheri703> Yeah, volunteers all over the place! That's the idea of the really/regional (depending on who you asked) local communities. So people don't have to drive 2 hours to sit and chat <TonyNoOne> One in the Denver area, one in Boulder Co. <joey> Garheade: those would be good places. Mar Mar's Concotory would be terrible for my liver though <TonyNoOne> If things go well, I could likely handle that a couple times a month. <system76chick> That would be great <TonyNoOne> Like I said, I need the practice... <TonyNoOne> ...or so my wife tells me. <system76chick> I think we have the Ubuntu Hours taken care of for April. Thank you TonyNoOne for volunteering. <TonyNoOne> No sweat <Cheri703> the beauty of it is that *everyone* is at least somewhat geeky, and everyone has something in common. :) <Cheri703> if anyone in other place (ft collins, springs, wherever else (I am relatively new to the state, I have no concept of where stuff is)) wants to plan others, that's ok too! (just in case people figure "oh, other ones are happening elsewhere, I shouldn't plan one for my location) <Cheri703> *places <Makyo> Yeah, I think a Fort Collins one would be good. CSU is all Fedora/Windows, but it'd be good to get some exposure out there. <Makyo> (There's also Cohere, a coworking place in town) <TonyNoOne> Any examples of Ubuntu Hour topics? <TonyNoOne> Any format? <system76chick> Yes, doing them everywhere is full of win! Just make sure to let the mailing list know so we can promote accordingly <joey> Another idea I had was that doing a special event to teach people how to develop apps for the Ubuntu phone (and/or Ubuntu) would be good. I don't do that myself so it couldn't be me. <joey> I find that specialty events like that draw people out <joey> They don't always care for the social aspects but really want to learn something new <Makyo> joey, We might want to hit up jcastro about charmschool, too, if we want to get some of the enterprise side. <joey> yeah <TonyNoOne> Qt is cross platform, too, so that could draw people in. <joey> charmschool, quickly, etc <Cheri703> topics are usually "hang out and whatever" <TonyNoOne> I know how to hang out AND how to whatever. <Cheri703> but you can expand on that as desired. :) <joey> right. we need something to draw folks away from Elder Scrolls Online <TonyNoOne> This will be easy! <Cheri703> perfect! <system76chick> Awesome <system76chick> Another outreach idea that would be helpful is CD Distribution. I don't know when ours will arrive, but it should be before the end of the month. <TonyNoOne> It may be helpful to have CDs at events for noobs and the curious. <Garheade> I can take the CD's to CLUE, SFS Classes and the like but most of these people already know how to get their hands on it. <system76chick> If anyone is willing to take a stack and pass them out locally, maybe at libraries or on campus, that would be great. <joey> and one of those nice iMac style System76 all-in-ones <Makyo> system76chick, +1 <system76chick> we'll be sure to throw a couple of those in the stack as well Joey * joey laughs <Makyo> Would be nice to have them at Gophercon, too, April 24-26 <TonyNoOne> The only people I see are coworkers and they're all Apple fanatics. <Makyo> There should be a bunch of us there. <TonyNoOne> Ain't gettin' anywhere with 'em. <Makyo> Me, hatch, arosales, hazmat, six others, I think. <nealmcb> Oh yeah - meeting now..... <system76chick> Please email me ihodge@example.net directly so we can make a time and place so I can get the CDs to you. <Cheri703> alright folks, I have to head out but I'll read the logs when I get back. <system76chick> Thanks for the great input, Cheri! <system76chick> Does anyone want to volunteer to post on the Ubuntu Rocks Blog? <John___> I would be up for that or the wiki. <nealmcb> cds => lug <joey> system76chick: if you find someone who is good at graphic design, I think my waaaaay out of date CoLoCo logo needs to be redone. And I think it should be refreshed so we can get a shirt order going <system76chick> John__: That's fantastic! <joey> system76chick: the company that did the previous shirt order is out of business <joey> system76chick: but I have lead one another company that does great work (we used them to make our Disaster shirts) <Makyo> joey, system76chick we've had good luck with teespring <Makyo> Oh, that works! <system76chick> I have good connections for T-shirts, but not graphic design <joey> Polos <joey> :-) <joey> Need the collar to look professional <system76chick> Fancy <TonyNoOne> Professional? I wouldn't even know where to begin. <system76chick> Lol <system76chick> with a polo... <Makyo> And plaid shorts. <joey> we could also do up a conference badge.... like the one I did for Ubuntu Hams <TonyNoOne> ...mmmmm....I might look good in plaid shorts. <Makyo> Have an example, joey ? <joey> scroll down to the badges https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHams <joey> When we used to have physical UDSes we would wear these smaller badges above our conference badge <joey> and people would come and ask us about it <system76chick> I like that idea! <joey> so if you're at Plumbers or gophercon... Ubuntu people can find each other <Makyo> Oh, awsome <CoreyM-Denver> i like the polo idea myself, looks much nicer, but they wont be cheap <Makyo> I like the badges. Will wear my canonical/ubuntu lanyard, too. Another good bit of swag to add recognition <nealmcb> ...That is, I'd love some CDs to bring to a future Linux Users Group meeting (2nd Thursday at Applied Trust, with free beer and pizza, 11th and Walnut in Boulder :) http://lug.boulder.co.us/) <joey> the last order was $15 a shirt. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColoradoTeam/Tshirts <system76chick> Neal, I will get you some once they arrive <joey> I got 3 and wore them everywhere :-) <Makyo> Oh, hey, there's a NoCo one too http://nclug.org/ <nealmcb> system76chick: Thanks! <TonyNoOne> I, too, would certainly order a shirt. <Garheade> I would order two or three shirts <Makyo> Several here, too. <system76chick> Yes, shirts would be fantastic. Our whole office would probably sport them <joey> Maybe someone could volunteer to start a new shirt page on the wiki <system76chick> John__? <joey> and we could do some soft commits for numbers <joey> and then finish up the design <John___> Sure, I could start a new shirt page. <system76chick> Awesome! <TonyNoOne> Yes. Awesome indeed. <system76chick> Team, we've covered a lot of ground today, I appreciate everyone's participation! <joey> system76chick: I just sent you a pic of the old shirts so you have it for reference <system76chick> Cool, thanks <TonyNoOne> Glad to do it. I will use the mailing list to let you know what I come up with, <system76chick> Great! If anyone else plans Ubuntu hours or Linux meetups, please let us know so we can share them! <system76chick> Does anyone have any other agenda items to discuss? <joey> system76chick: I just sent you my polo supplier <joey> $12.75 for a polo <system76chick> awesome <joey> it'll be a little less thick than the original ones <joey> but someone can have a look and maybe select a better variety <system76chick> cool <CoreyM-Denver> i like the sounds of that <joey> if folks want the conference badges, we can start a signup for that and I can go talk to Rick to see if he is willing to do it and for how much <joey> We probably will want a refreshed logo for both the polos and the badge <joey> or <joey> simply use the Ubuntu logo <system76chick> Let's send a message out to the mailing list to see if anyone can volunteer for the graphic <system76chick> or that idea too! <joey> I have to admit I really like the logo in the flag idea but I'm biased <CoreyM-Denver> +1 Joey <system76chick> I think it's super cool... but the solid color of the Ubuntu logo is a must... it will look much better <system76chick> I bet I could GIMP something up <joey> Yep. On Ubuntu.com there are full res files of the logo that can be used as part of the process <joey> http://design.ubuntu.com/brand <joey> and for the log, when we kicked off the loco team I got blanket permission to remix the logo <joey> from Canonical <joey> although I'm not sure I can find that email if you ask me to <system76chick> haha, I'm sure it will be fine <joey> I think I've added more work the plate instead of what you set out to do system76chick <system76chick> it's fun work :) <system76chick> Team, does anyone have any other main topics to discuss? I think we have a great April ahead of us. <nealmcb> Why prefer the solid color logo vs the earlier 3-color one? I like our current logo :) <system76chick> I will send out a summary of our meeting and the wonderful volunteers who are taking on some team tasks. I really appreciate everyone's support! <system76chick> I think the colors would blend better with a single color logo <nealmcb> I'm no color expert (colorblind :), and imagine it would be easier to find a background to go with a single color logo. But the symbolism of the earlier one is nice <joey> well, because it's not the Ubuntu logo anymore :-) <joey> it's still the circle of friends <joey> although to old timers like me it probably is and always will be THE definitive Ubuntu logo <system76chick> yes, I can understand that <joey> I agree with system76chick that the new logo will look better on things. <joey> it certainly looks better on my things <system76chick> Especially if we'll be doing T-shirts and badges <nealmcb> Good points :) <joey> nealmcb: also, we're broncos fans <joey> nealmcb: orange on blue :-) <Cheri703> Joey, just saw the ubuntu hams link (just got back home) I have my license but no radio at this point >_< so probably not a good addition, but figured I'd mention it. :) <joey> no radio! <joey> You can get a dual-bander on Amazon.com for $35! <joey> a lot of folks have moved to DMR (digital). Harder to program but even those are $180 <Cheri703> huh, I hadn't checked amazon <Cheri703> I just have technician class <Cheri703> always meant to go for general, but never got around to it. last month was ...13 years? I think from when I got my license <joey> http://smile.amazon.com/BaoFeng-Dual-Band-Improved-Stronger-Enhanced/dp/B00C83AU9S/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1396563374&sr=8-3&keywords=baofeng <joey> and the DMR one is http://www.rmham.org/wordpress/new-dmr-portable-radio-available-for-ham-and-commercial-use <joey> you have to call to get the $180 price <joey> I'm one of the 3 guys who maintains the backbone for RMHAM... and we use a mix of Ubuntu and CentOS machiens <joey> well there are a few more than 3 but only us 3 have logins everywhere and fix stuff regularly <Cheri703> I don't even know anything about the dmr stuff <Cheri703> it has been a WHILE since I did anything with it <joey> There is also D-STAR and we have that here too. I run two of the boxes plus do the state health check <joey> (dstar.nv0n.net) <joey> Tech is good for everything except wanting to do HF <joey> since the code requirement has been dropped a lot of folks have been able to upgrade since it's just studying a book <Cheri703> yeah, I just haven't prioritized it :/ <joey> Yeah if you don't have anyone that you like talking to there is not a lot of motivation <joey> but now you know me! * joey laughs <Cheri703> haha, true! I haven't listened in at all in CO, this was in fairly rural ohio last time I had a radio <Cheri703> do we know what the difference between the "5r" and "5ra" are on that amazon listing? <system76chick> Signing out for the day guys... Thank you so much for all your support and ideas today! Have a great night! #ubuntu-us-co 2014-04-09 <Garheade> Morning all. Is there a 14.04 release party planned? <Garheade> nevermind. I found it. <Cheri703> system76chick: is there any way (well, I'm sure there is, but are you willing to look into a way) to add a "add to google calendar" button for the event(s)? That would be *awesome* and efficient for people. :) <Cheri703> Also, possibly making a note about Wynkoop on the event page, parking is kinda difficult there, and the garage across the street is pricey, like $10 for a few hours iirc. (I went there a few months ago) <Cheri703> I will likely do park & ride and walk the half mile from light rail to the place <system76chick> I don't exactly know how to add the google calender button to the event page... <Cheri703> I'm sure one of our wonderful members could figure it out :D <system76chick> I will look into the parking and put the details on the site <Cheri703> I know nothing about this, but it came up in a google search: http://addthisevent.com/ (I'd poke at it, but I'm working on a thing for work) <Cheri703> (not that you're not at work, just saying) <system76chick> always full of awesome resources Cheri! <system76chick> Thank you :) #ubuntu-us-co 2014-04-21 <kevin_> Hello? <Cheri703> hello <kevin_> Are you able to help with linux questions? <Cheri703> quite possibly <kevin_> Awesome <kevin_> I have an old camera I dont realy use
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