#ubuntustudio 2010-03-01 <duncanidaho1> Why does DESKTOP DRAPES not startup when my computer restarts? It is listed in my startup applications. It is also set to do so in its preferences. <oholic> hi, I'm having connection problems with ubuntu studio, my b43 wireless card, and my home network <oholic> I installed the firmware with b43cutter <oholic> by hand, not with the app <oholic> it seems to authenticate, then disconnect itself with reason 3 <oholic> I dont know where to find what reason 3 is? <oholic> thats from dmesg | tail <oholic> I have a ping open to my gateway... <oholic> it says destination unreachable <oholic> most of the time <oholic> i has litle stable moments where it replys pings between 42ms and 2.6ms <oholic> its pinging it at about 80/6ms now.. <oholic> I really wish I could cut and paste to a pastebin right now.. <mezzoforte> Hi there! <MmikeDOMA> I have setup jackd as on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToJACKConfiguration, jackd starts fine (i have xrun every now and then), but when I run, for instance, Rosegarden, and play a score, I hear no sound! I see the connections qjackctl dialog (audio and alsa, but no midi?), everything seems to be working, I just hear no sound. Audacious, mplayer, hydrogen and others work fine. I have Ubuntu 9.04, but installed all the <MmikeDOMA> ubuntu-studio packages as on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation. <holstein> heyy MmikeDOMA <holstein> it could be this simple... <holstein> rosegarden itself does not produce sounds <holstein> you need to route it to software synths <holstein> if your able to hear audio otherwise <holstein> and softsynths <holstein> i think thats the issue <holstein> i dont have a lot of experience with rosegarden either <holstein> i usually just use ardour myself <holstein> BUT i can confirm thats the way rosegarden works <holstein> i fired it up and routed it to some softsynths and got it working <holstein> MmikeDOMA: vist #opensourcemusicians <MmikeDOMA> holstein, do you know how can I verify that jackd is running properly, is there any other app I can use to play some music (i'll deal with rosegarden later) <MmikeDOMA> ok, I will, thank you <holstein> hmm <holstein> you could try anything really <holstein> maybe fire up ardour <MmikeDOMA> Name one :) <MmikeDOMA> ok, hang on :) <holstein> and import a wav <MmikeDOMA> do I need to have qsynth running? (i don't have any specialized music hardware) <holstein> nah <holstein> not for ardour <holstein> just import some kind of audio file into ardour <holstein> and then do your routing in jack <holstein> qjackctl <holstein> and you should hear it playback <holstein> if your comfortable with qsynth <holstein> that might be easier <holstein> you need a soundfont <holstein> for midi sounds <holstein> you can try running zynaddsubfx <holstein> that makes sounds out of the box <MmikeDOMA> Ardour works! <holstein> BUT it was crashing jack on me a while back <holstein> MmikeDOMA: sweet! <MmikeDOMA> I didn't do anything in qjacktl <holstein> so your god <MmikeDOMA> Yes, thnx :) <holstein> good* <holstein> ive heard good things about Qtractor <holstein> but i have not looked at it yet <MmikeDOMA> But. what exactley is qsynth for? I have some clue, but I don't understand where does it 'plugs'. Do I still need jackd? <MmikeDOMA> What is qtractor? <MmikeDOMA> ok, i read <MmikeDOMA> neat! <holstein> i have been told by serveral folks that they prefer the workflow and layout of Qtractor to rosegarden <holstein> you'll want to run qjackctl for everything i think <holstein> qsynth just plays soundfonts <holstein> imagine <holstein> qsynth is kinda like the hardware in a keyboard synth <holstein> that allows you to use and communicate with different sounds <holstein> same idea <holstein> you can load different 'sound banks' (prettymuch) in there <MmikeDOMA> So, do I need that to hear music that I imported to rosegarden or noteedit or something like that? <holstein> and route into/out of them with jack <holstein> sure <holstein> you can... <holstein> have rosegarden <holstein> routed into Qsynth <holstein> routed out to your soundcards out <holstein> rosegarden reads the MIDI data <holstein> sends it to Qsynth <holstein> Qsynth sends it to whatever sound <holstein> and it comes out through jack <holstein> i think you can use rosegarden to <holstein> change patches <holstein> and other stuff in Qsynth as well <holstein> to make it easier to use <holstein> BUT like i said, i havnet really done much of it <holstein> MIDI that is <MmikeDOMA> holstein, thnxs for the info, now at least i understand what am I looking for :) <holstein> good luck MmikeDOMA :) <holstein> http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/qjackctl-ss1.html <holstein> here is kind of an overview of the different windows and settings in qjackctl <MmikeDOMA> I mean, it worked on older ubuntu, it should work here! :) <holstein> OH <holstein> ok <holstein> well, you'll get it sorted out soon then :) <holstein> just a couple UI changes and some defaults changed i bet <MmikeDOMA> GOT SOUND! <MmikeDOMA> :) <MmikeDOMA> I needed to 'patch' rosegarden out to fluidsynth trough jackd! <kosmita> poszedÅ <MmikeDOMA> holstein, it's even more easy. Rosegarden allready 'patched' everythig to miditrough-in, i just needed to patch miditrough-out to fluidsynth #ubuntustudio 2010-03-02 <meowbuntu> hi is there a kubuntu studio <holstein> hey meowbuntu <holstein> you can add the ubuntu studio packages to any ubuntu flavor <holstein> !vanilla <ubottu> To install Ubuntu Studio on top of a vanilla Ubuntu install, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation <holstein> AFAIK ubuntustudio only has a gnome version <holstein> but there might be a remastersys around somewhere or somthing <meowbuntu> hi <meowbuntu> is there a kubuntu studio <holstein> hmmmm <holstein> the short answer is no <holstein> see.. <holstein> !vanilla <ubottu> To install Ubuntu Studio on top of a vanilla Ubuntu install, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation <holstein> to install ubuntu studio packages in kubuntu <holstein> OR sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop <holstein> after installing ubuntu studio <meowbuntu> is there a kubuntu studio <jussi01> meowbuntu: youve now asked that 3 times, and been given the answer twice... <meowbuntu> i get it there is no kubuntustudio version. ok got it <Blank__> if you're willing to put the effort in you could theoretically make one, though <holstein> --- /j #kubuntustudio :) <oholic> considering this channel is logged... can anyone check the log from when I asked my question to see if it was answered?" <oholic> that would be desireable <oholic> oops <oholic> wrong window, sorry * kewlbns69 got his motu 828MK II running with jack and is very happy :-D <shingalated2> hi, I've got a fresh install and I can't get JACK to show any of my mic or line in ports on my sound card <shingalated2> it only has MIDI stuff <edakiri> how can file modification time be set from EXIF tag of photo taken time in a batch process? <edakiri> I'm away now. If somone knows, please also PRIVMSG me to be sure i get your message. <cellofellow> I just finished helping a friend install Ubuntu Studio Karmic on his laptop. Why, for some reason, was Network Manager not included in the default installation? <cellofellow> I had to use my laptop to download the nm packages to a thumbdrive and install from there. #ubuntustudio 2010-03-03 <gimbal> hi, got one question about ubuntustudio: does it provide any more up-to-date packages than a regular 'stable' more-upstream ubuntu release would? <gimbal> considering migrating my desktop from Debian Lenny to Ubuntu, just want to look into the Ubuntustudio distro before making that move <gimbal> and that's the sole question I have about it <holstein> hey gimbal <holstein> basically <gimbal> hulloa <holstein> ubuntustudio is just software <gimbal> yah <holstein> you can add it to a vanilla ubuntu install <gimbal> and marketing kinda, I'd pitch in, heh <holstein> pulls from the same repo <holstein> you do audio production in lenny? <gimbal> starting to <holstein> cool <gimbal> bugged that there's no ardour in lenny <holstein> you might want to look at 64studio <holstein> you can add AFAIK <gimbal> already had to reinstall after a grub upgrade broke my boot sequence, under the 'unstable' branch heh <gimbal> cool <holstein> the 64studio repos to lenny <holstein> the newer 64studio 3.x is hardy based <gimbal> hey that's nice to see - what I can glance of their business model on short review anyways, heh <holstein> but i think they still maintain an older repo for debain <holstein> debian* <holstein> not a lot of support though <holstein> he IRC channel is dead <holstein> and i had mixed luck with the mailinglist <holstein> cant really beat ubuntu when it come to that :) <gimbal> i c <holstein> gimbal: /j #opensourcemusicians :) <gimbal> ahh heh; just kind of researching an installation right now, and shooting the bulll; got more admin stuff to do about that, before I can go too much further about it <holstein> well, good luck <holstein> ubuntustudio is well maintained and stable <holstein> you will enjoy :) <gimbal> thanks <gimbal> so it looks like I could put ubuntu and the ubuntustudio bundles onto my laptop, and connect it to my dekstop via netjack <gimbal> ...if I can just figure out how to get the hdmi output working on the laptop, it's what's connecting it to the monitor <gimbal> under linux; just thinking out loud I guess <claybustr> ubuntu 9.10 / ck804 sound card w/ alsa. alsa finds it, oob installation plays other stuff. jackd gives bus error attempting to control device hw:0 and that's all it will tell me even if verbose is set on. bus error results in all other apps refusing to start after that. Most of the howto/helps I've found are ancient. Is there an identified problem here? <Blank__> ive found that jackd/alsa is broken in 9.10 <Blank__> :( <claybustr> I should say 'well known problem with well known solution'. <claybustr> I was really hoping you were going to say ck804 rather than alsa. I got an m-audio 2496 in a box back home. <Monona> ï»¿Jack is getting tons of xruns before I even run any other programs. I've been doing a bunch of troubleshooting (some of which is here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1407904) and I'm pretty stuck. How can I test if it's a hardware issue or rt-kernel issue or something like that? <holstein> that is a good questino Monona <holstein> what is the sound deviec? <holstein> device? <holstein> * <Monona> Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) <holstein> what kind of latency are you expecting? <holstein> what are you jack settings? <holstein> i would suggest staring there <holstein> relaxing those settings <Monona> I'd take any latency, frankly, if I could get rid of these xruns. <Blank__> have you tried increasing your buffer to 2048 or above <Monona> 1024 Frames/period, Sample rate 44100, 2 periods/buffer <holstein> try increasing those settings <holstein> until you get a latency of around 50+ ms <holstein> to test <holstein> you might not want to have that all the time <Blank__> also what are you using to configure jackd, as if you've got the -rt kernel you can enable realtime <holstein> but that might help troubleshoot <Monona> I get ALSA: cannot set period size to 2048 frames for playback <Blank__> :| <holstein> good call Blank__ <holstein> the RT ckeckbox <Monona> qjackctl, RT checkbox, checked! <Blank__> was that checked before? <Monona> Latency at 1024 is frames/period is 46.4 ms. <Monona> Yup. <Blank__> oh... <Blank__> it could be hardware interrupts messing things up... <Blank__> try unchecking RT and see what happens <holstein> hell <Blank__> :p <Monona> Output of cat /proc/interrupts here: http://pastebin.com/7uxV6UqJ <holstein> you could try a generic kernel and no checkbox <Blank__> so that's on IRQ 16... <Blank__> how many usb things do you have plugged in <Blank__> thats basically the only other thing of note on that interrupt <Monona> 3 USB things: keyboard, mouse, external HD <holstein> 16: 2576519 0 IO-APIC-fasteoi uhci_hcd:usb4, HDA Intel, ivtv0 <Blank__> so xruns just idling? <holstein> that the one? <holstein> not ideal <Blank__> yeah, HDA Intel <Monona> holstein: As far as I can tell. <holstein> i had a laptop <Monona> How do I move it to different IRQ? <holstein> with usb on the firewire port <holstein> and when i had anything in that USB port <holstein> xruns and crashes <Monona> Blank__: Yeah, we're talking multiple xruns/second without any other programs. <holstein> no way to change it in the bios on my machine <holstein> Monona: i think this is plausible <holstein> you should look in the bios <holstein> and see if you can change it <Blank__> since linux is plug n' play you can theoretically reassign IRQs <Blank__> independent of the bios <holstein> i did not think of that <Monona> I know approximately zero about the bios, but I'm happy to learn. <Monona> How would I do this? <holstein> i just assumed i was stuck with it that way <Blank__> the bios on my gigabyte is an absolute pain, and due to it my firewire soundcard drops samples randomly in windows, but works perfectly in linux <holstein> Monona: i would google for whatever machine you got <holstein> and see how get into the bios <holstein> that would be easy <Blank__> it's probably an award bios or phoenix <holstein> easy enough <Blank__> probably pressing DEL, ESC, or F1 at startup <holstein> might say <holstein> when you start up the computer <holstein> 'press F1 to enter set-up" <holstein> something like that <Monona> Yeah, that I know. But what to do when I'm there, that's the question. <holstein> hmmm <holstein> might say IRQ settings <holstein> internal devices <holstein> onboard devices <holstein> something like that <holstein> IF its even there <Monona> Hm...I'll try, but failing that, what can I do in Linux? <holstein> i just learned that you could change the settings from Blank__ :) <holstein> theoretically <Monona> :) <Monona> Alright, I'm gonna give it a shot in BIOS. <Monona> I'll be back... <Monona> holstein, Blank__: <holstein> whats the good news Monona ? <Monona> Restarted with regular kernel. Nothing in BIOS was useful. Less xruns (still some), but I've got this crackly sound, almost like the internal mix is clipping. Alsamixer looks ok, tho. <Monona> I'm kinda hoping that changing the IRQ might sort this out, cuz I'm stuck. <holstein> it looks plausible <holstein> 16: 2576519 0 IO-APIC-fasteoi uhci_hcd:usb4, HDA Intel, ivtv0 <holstein> having 4 things there <holstein> not ideal <Monona> Right, I just have to change HDA Intel to IRQ 13 or something, maybe? <holstein> yeah <Monona> The lower the IRQ, the higher the priority, right? <holstein> off by itself if possible <holstein> would be great <holstein> im not sure about the priority of the numbers <holstein> i just no you dont want a bunch of other stuff on the same one with your audio card <holstein> OH <holstein> if you get an actual interface <Monona> Makes sense. <holstein> a usb interface or something <holstein> 1394 is with you ethernet <Monona> I have a M-Audio Ozone with an onboard sound card, but it's a whole different process to get that working. <holstein> you got a few kindof isolated USB ports <holstein> but usb is not ideal either <Monona> Like an external sound card? <holstein> eah <holstein> yeah* <holstein> internal sound cards are not great anyways <holstein> if you had access to something you could try out <holstein> maybe something from bestbuy you could return <Monona> I'll probably end up getting one, but I'd like to try to get this working on its own. <holstein> http://www.amazon.com/PreSonus-FireBox-Firewire-Recording-Interface/dp/B0006VYH1Q <holstein> something like this <holstein> would really step up your rig <holstein> and grow with you somewhat <Monona> Is it Linux-friendly? <holstein> i got the presonus firepod <holstein> it works great <holstein> i would search around <holstein> look at the ffado site and forum for it <holstein> and make sure <holstein> there are some extra hoops to hop through for firewire devices <holstein> BUT i think its worth it <holstein> compared to a USB device <Monona> This is a new computer, and I'm not sure it's even got firewire. <Monona> (new to me, that is) <holstein> 20: 87367 0 IO-APIC-fasteoi ohci1394, eth0 <Monona> That's my firewire? <holstein> i think ohci1394 is your firewire <Monona> Good to know. <Monona> Alright, I'm in the regular ubuntu channel trying to change the IRQ. Let's see how that goes. <holstein> COOL <holstein> Monona: come to #opensourcemusicians when you get a chance... <holstein> good luck <zeko> hi guys, just being curious, i just installed ubuntustudio-desktop in ubuntu, and i was expecting to get to choose Gnome,KDE, or ubuntustudio at the login screen, or is Ubuntustudio just a collection of AV packages <zeko> i typed in terminal as ' apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop' <astraljava> zeko: apt-get install usplash-theme-ubuntustudio <astraljava> no sorry, misunderstood <zeko> astraljava: i have the theme <astraljava> apt-get install ubuntustudio-gdm-theme <astraljava> Right. <zeko> astraljava: i was thinking if i could get it as an option like GNOME, KDE. <astraljava> Don't know about that, perhaps you can just select it when at the greeter. <zeko> astraljava: it wasnt there. <zeko> astraljava: is it a collection of packages and apps? or a separate distro? <astraljava> Both, the packages are freely available for all ubuntu users though. <jussi01> zeko: its a collection of packages with some nice default settings. <zeko> jussi01 : yeah got it, it has created a ' Audio production' Menu at sound and video secion, i think i need to install the gdm theme for the look , Thanks <jussi01> !vanilla <ubottu> To install Ubuntu Studio on top of a vanilla Ubuntu install, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation <Zus> anyone familiar with software studios like ableton "LIVE!" and Reason? <RemunJ66> Hi to all. This is my first chat on #ubuntustudio <RemunJ66> Was trying to enter irc channels through SamePlace Firefox addon <RemunJ66> Not a succes i must tell, but after installing xchat-gnome it was peace of cake <RemunJ66> I will come back later in the evening, now is dinner time :-) <ShadeS> hey #ubuntustudio 2010-03-04 <eager_guy> can anyone help me with boot problem after partial update <eager_guy> ... <dreamer_> I'm not familiar with grub2, Just did an install of lucid, and installed linux-rt, how do I set it as the default kernel, grub2 docs are a nightmare compared to configuring grub <Semitones> is it possible to install just the rt kernel and tweaks? I just want to have seamless playback on this old computer (currently it stuttersr when the CPU is under load) <rlameiro> Semitones: I think so <rlameiro> search for it on synaptic <Semitones> would they be the same package on synaptic, or two different ones? <rlameiro> you will have headers and the kernel itself <rlameiro> its possible to exist diferent versions of it <edakiri> How can everything be set to the default ubuntu look after installing? <edakiri> or while installing? * kosmita poszedÅ <Andillusion> Hi There... is someone watching? <Andillusion> ... <Andillusion> Hi Awe... <awe> Andillusion, hi <awe> I'm in the middle of a conf call... <Andillusion> uhh... okay... then i better not disturb you... have fun conferencing. <jussi01> Andillusion: best just to ask your question and wwait <Andillusion> okay then... i'll give it a try... <Andillusion> My question is about compatible Sound-Devices... <Andillusion> Is there a Compatibility list like the one on www.ffado.org for USB Devices? <Andillusion> They are (normally) used via ASLA, isn't it? <Andillusion> what devices are you using? <Andillusion> ... <duncanidaho1> I have ubuntu 9.10 64-bit. I'm using gnome, and I just decided to install kubuntu-desktop. When I logout and switch to the KDE environment things get a little wierd. I login in fine. I hear and see KDE art. but then I have no desktop wallpaper and no taskbars. Gnome-Do opens up as well as Google Gadgets as they are in my startup list. I also noticed it does not connect to the internet when in a KDE session. Any i #ubuntustudio 2010-03-05 <duncanidaho1> I have ubuntu 9.10 installed everything is up and running great. So I thought I'd give KDE a try. I installed it, everything seems to be great but getting a wireless connection. I can see signals that are broadcast but I cannot get connected (in KDE, in Gnome it still works) <holstein> anybody running a lucid studio yet? <jussi01> holstein: ScottL is, iirc <holstein> thanks jussi01 <holstein> i got lucid on my EEE today <jussi01> :D <holstein> im looking forward to putting it on my studio box though <jussi01> yeah, should be good <Zus> good morning, any one here use or now of ableton LIVE, and Reason? im looking for linux versions or something as good or better <Andillusion> There are no "linux-versions" for those products... <Andillusion> what exactly do you need? <jussi01> heh, I was just going to ask that... <Andillusion> hi jussi! <Zus> its the only reason why i still use windows, i have yet found programmes on linux <Zus> with reason i have a lot of synthesizers and software studio, i can make music with, and saved songs can be imported to pro tools for mastering <Andillusion> take a rodriguezcrystal@example.org maybe that looks nice to you... <Andillusion> there is no _one software for all_ in linux. <Andillusion> But they all work together in JACK very well. <Zus> ableton is more of a "live" on the fly recording mix and loop with all sorts of software instruments. <Andillusion> i know. <Andillusion> But linux is different. <Zus> yes it is, im new, been usiing ubuntu since 9.10 release. <Zus> the ubuntu studio is this geared for media? <Andillusion> sure it is... <Andillusion> is your audio interface running with jack already? <Zus> no <Andillusion> uhhh... that's a problem you should rodriguezcrystal@example.org. <Zus> i boot to my windows drive for my audio, and use rythmbox for my cd's when i use ubuntu <Andillusion> what interface do you use? <Zus> interface as in gnome or KDE? i am using gnome, (ubuntu 9.10 karnic) <Andillusion> no sorry... i was thinking audio-interface and writing just interface... <Andillusion> what audio-interface do you use? <Zus> hehe not rightly sure on this machine. on my other i have a soundblaster live card <Zus> if thats what you mean. <Zus> i downloaded live and reason onto the machine and they worked and did what i needed it to do so far, and never thought about much else. <Andillusion> well... if they do what you want and what you need... why do you want to change? <Zus> kinda dont use wiindows for anything else, and was wondering if there are any open source software as powerfull as live and reason... <Zus> and i dont have a midi keyboard or what not i use live's feature to use the "typing" keyboard. <Andillusion> it's perfectly fine to use windows for nothing but music... <Andillusion> ... that's the best way to keep it stable. ;-) <jussi01> !info hydrogen <ubottu> hydrogen (source: hydrogen): Simple drum machine/step sequencer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.3-5.1ubuntu2 (karmic), package size 3206 kB, installed size 8976 kB <jussi01> for midi, theres rosegarden: <jussi01> !info rosegarden <ubottu> rosegarden (source: rosegarden): music editor and MIDI/audio sequencer. In component universe, is extra. Version 1:1.7.3-1ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 4020 kB, installed size 9788 kB <Andillusion> ... this bot is cute ! <Zus> nice,.. ill check them out. <jussi01> aww.... <Andillusion> !info ardour <ubottu> ardour (source: ardour): digital audio workstation (graphical gtk2 interface). In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.8.2-0ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 4587 kB, installed size 12824 kB <jussi01> !owner <ubottu> This bot is owned by jussi01 and kindly hosted by TwinApex - http://www.twinapex.com - Questions about ubottu should be asked in #ubuntu-bots <jussi01> :D <Andillusion> That impresses me even more. <jussi01> !no, owner is <reply>This bot is owned by jussi01 and kindly hosted by mFabrik - http://mfabrik.com/ - Questions about ubottu should be asked in #ubuntu-bots <ubottu> I'll remember that jussi01 <jussi01> company changed name... <Andillusion> ***grin*** <Andillusion> Zus: Will that information help you, so far? <Zus> yeah im looking at the ardour link now. <Zus> im hoping i can master with it.... i think it should suit just fine,...as long as i can import to pro tools, i should be fine, <Andillusion> well... there is no "export to ProTools"-Button... <Andillusion> But you can export your Tracks in Broadcast-Wave format... <Andillusion> ... wich should be importable mostly everywhere. <Zus> on live i was able to save the song file as a .wav and use that. with reason and rebirth i could just patch into it. <Zus> and this is different than, ubuntu, like mint is different? <Andillusion> the difference is not that big. <jussi01> !mint <ubottu> There are some Ubuntu derivatives that we cannot provide support for due to repository and software changes. Please consult their websites for more information. Examples: gNewSense (support in #gnewsense), Linux Mint (see !mintsupport), LinuxMCE (support in #linuxmce), CrunchBang (support in #crunchbang), BackTrack (support in #backtrack-linux) <jussi01> you can just install ubuntustudio on top of your standard gnome install <jussi01> !vanilla <ubottu> To install Ubuntu Studio on top of a vanilla Ubuntu install, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation <Zus> i only know ubuntu for the past 3 months or so, so many choices, <jussi01> yeah, some people find it all a bit much - they like to be told, use this.... <Zus> lets hope my connection holds out while the torrent does its thing <Andillusion> ... <Zus> thank you guys for the help. <Andillusion> you're welcome. <Andillusion> jussi's done the job. <Zus> i wanted to say thanks before got knocked offline... for some reason the wifi works well at night and as the day begins i get less and less of a signal... <Andillusion> here it is 14:05 now... bright sunlight but a little to cold outside. <jussi01> Zus: heh... <Zus> lol ok... <Zus> did my question go through? <Andillusion> rodriguezcrystal@example.org... <Zus> what is all in ubuntu studio? file manager and browser?, can i install it like i would KDE with gnome? and login as a different session? <Andillusion> If you do that <Andillusion> !vanilla <ubottu> To install Ubuntu Studio on top of a vanilla Ubuntu install, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation <Andillusion> The special things of UbuntuStudio will be added to your existing Ubuntu installation <jussi01> no, its gnome. <jussi01> basically a set of packages with some tweaks <jussi01> so there isnt a different session, it just adds to your current gnome <Andillusion> what do you mean whith "its gnome" ? <jussi01> well it uses the gnome DE <Zus> thast why i asked i didnt see anything on karmic,.... best wait till lucid then... i dont ahve a vanilla install of ubuntu .. less it dont matter <jussi01> hrm? <Andillusion> ?!? <Zus> if by vanilla install they mean with out installing other programs just yet..] <Zus> hehe, i guess ill wait till lucid, no telling whats been downloaded and deleted on this, as i've been using karmic to learn on. <Zus> i still havent gotten my video card and sound card to work on here yet <ScottL> Andillusion, you can find more expansive information on upgrading from vanilla to ubuntu studio here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu%20Studio%20Upgrade%20from%20Ubuntu <Andillusion> hmmm... i don't need further information on that, thanks Scott. <Andillusion> But i have another question... <Andillusion> it's about the snd_usb_audio driver... <Zus> i did hehe thanks ) <Andillusion> does it support every Class Compliant device? <Andillusion> How can i tell if my USB-Soundcard is Class Compliant? <Andillusion> Or is there any change in any configuration i must make? <Andillusion> Searching the web for VendorID and DeviceID brought no results. ;-) <Andillusion> hmmm... silence again... <Zus> reading these links i got here to day, sorry i dont know the answer to your question <Andillusion> i am already browsing the source of ../alsa-driver-800.716.0984/sound/usb/usbaudio.c <Andillusion> ... <Andillusion> bye... <AJH101> Evening! I installed all the Studio apps (only) in my version of Karmic Koala but I would like to uninstall them and set up an installation in its ouwn partition. Is there any easy way to uninstall the apps or do i need to do it all one by one?! Thanks <holstein> hey AJH101 <AJH101> holstein hi <holstein> AFAIK if you install from the meta packages <AJH101> eh? <holstein> the apps are kinda stuck to gether <holstein> together* <holstein> LIKE <AJH101> i just followed a quick bit of terminal code to install them <AJH101> can i do the same to uninstall? <holstein> if you install ubuntustudio-audio <holstein> if you try to uninstall say ardour <holstein> everything else in the metapackage will want to be removed as well <holstein> that was the behavior i have seen in the past <holstein> not too long ago <AJH101> and that is a problem because? i would install everything again in its own partition <holstein> hmm <holstein> SO you had a vanilla karmic install <holstein> you added ubuntu studio packages <holstein> right? <holstein> and now you are? <holstein> the short answer is, if you do sudo apt-get autoremove ubuntustudio-whatever <holstein> you should not need to remove them one at a time <AJH101> wanting to remove them and reinstall studio on its own partition <holstein> hmm <holstein> i would just do whatever you plan on doing to move it <holstein> imaging or whatever <holstein> and just leave the packages there <holstein> unless your going to do a fresh install <holstein> then just do that <AJH101> i may do a fresh install when lucid arrives - that was part of the reason for wanting to get this straight - ok but i am guessing i do not use 'whatever' <holstein> yeah <holstein> whatever ubuntustudio metapackages you installed <holstein> ubuntustudio-audio ubuntustudio-audio-plugins ubuntustudio-graphics <AJH101> oops - i just cut and pasted some lines - not very helpful! :-( <holstein> if your planning a fresh install <holstein> just backup what you need, and abandon what you got <holstein> you can probably be using lucid <holstein> i put it on my EEE yesterday :) <holstein> i moved, and dont have my studio box here at the new place <holstein> but i plan on installing lucid ASAP <holstein> filing bugs and whatnot <AJH101> ok thanks <pilotbubbles> setting up a keystudio 49 for monitoring on ubuntu if anyone could pm with tips would really appreciate =D <pilotbubbles> pretty please #ubuntustudio 2010-03-07 <tucemiux> holstein, youre there? <holstein> hey tucemiux <holstein> whatsup? <tucemiux> holstein, can you join me in opensourcemusicians? <holstein> i see you over there <holstein> tucemiux: I'll catch up with you there in a bit <tucemiux> ok thanks <inertmatter> hmm... i have a presonus firebox setup and working fine using JACK. Now, I'm trying to figure out if it's possible to have normal system audio (ALSA?) send to the firebox line out. Can this be done? <inertmatter> in other words, using the JACK-enabled firebox as a substitute for the onboard system soundcard <holstein> hey inertmatter <inertmatter> hi <holstein> i got a firepod <holstein> and i just dont use it that way <holstein> sorry <inertmatter> alrighty then <holstein> i dont think working in jack means that its going to work in other ways <inertmatter> yeah, i'm a little new to this, so i'm just trying to see if it's even possible <inertmatter> trouble is, when JACK is started, it effectively shuts off the internal soundcard (it's probably due to hardware limitation - crappy laptop soundcard) <holstein> nah <holstein> thats the way it works for me <holstein> pulse suspends <inertmatter> ah, the infamous pulseaudio... <holstein> and the firepod is up by itself <holstein> and, it use to play sounds <holstein> from firefox <holstein> and VLC <holstein> to be honest, i havent even tried it in karmic <inertmatter> so there's no way to inform pulse that the firebox is connected and use that? <holstein> i just record, and monitor with that system <inertmatter> *nod* <holstein> hmm <holstein> inertmatter: you want to go to #opensourcemusicians ? <holstein> and ask <inertmatter> i'll give it a shot - thanks <holstein> seems like there was a pulse to jack type thing someone was talking about in there <holstein> that might do that <inertmatter> nice, thanks <holstein> good luck <shantanu> hi- i am new here <shantanu> have installed ubuntu studio on Ubuntu Karmic 9.1 * akirad is away: Sono occupato #ubuntustudio 2010-03-09 <johncomposed> hi, I recently installed ubuntustudio, and am having some problems with jack <johncomposed> i can start the jack server, but when i do, i don't get any sound <johncomposed> on any application <johncomposed> anybody have any ideas? <dreamer_> has anyone here got jack+pulse working in lucid <dreamer_> everytime I fire up jack with pulse apps won't start and I get Bus error (core dumped) messages from almost all apps I try to run (even ubuntu-bug) <whammo> hi folks <whammo> fresh install of 9.10, installing ubuntustudio packages right now, can anybody tell me if there is yet a workaround for pulse to play nice with JACK short of removing it? <paradoxuncreated> did you people try Con Kolivas patch? <jussi01> paradoxuncreated: hrm? <paradoxuncreated> Con Kolivas recently released a desktop patch for the kernel (2.6.33). I tried it, and I ran 8x2 samples rodriguezcrystal@example.org (0.363 ms) stable it seems. <bobbyroberts> does this channel help with video issues? <bobbyroberts> MBP 2.4/2gib Ubuntu 9.10 Nvidia driver issues <RemunJ66> Great being here <meatron> hi, i installed ubuntu studio yesterday, huge difference since i tried it last couple of years ago, congrats! <meatron> i have couple of questions though: I can't change the sample-rate on Creole, it seems fixed on 48000, any way to change it? <meatron> or alternatively any suggestions for a similar software? <meatron> i read about rackarrack, but can't find a package... compile it from source?? <meatron> Beast looks pretty interesting, but it doesn't work with jack. So what's the point? <meatron> ok, seems no one is listening. anyway, i am pretty impressed... thank you maintainers! me goes compiling rackarrack and guitarix... <meatron> one more thing, jackbeat refuses to start, here the log: http://pastebin.org/107890 #ubuntustudio 2010-03-10 <cboyer1951> hello all <cboyer1951> i'm all screwed up on my installation, i had ubuntustudio installed 3 days ago... then i changed partitions, and it messed it up <cboyer1951> so i reinstalled using ubuntu i386 and there's nothing set for audio at all, so beginning over...i see on the website there is a way to upgrade this to ubuntu studio.. so I'm ready to do that :) <cboyer1951> anyone here able to help me with my setup? <cboyer1951> am i live here? <raven> hi <raven> i need a replacement for cubase - any ideas? <jussi01> raven: remind me what cubase does again? * jussi01 guesses ardour... <v-star> how's it going guys? <holstein> not bad v-star <v-star> any of you using...I hate to say it because I am aware of their hostility...a MOTU interface? <holstein> i got a presonus firepod <holstein> is that firewire? <vstar> yes <vstar> I also have a m-audio firewire solo <vstar> neither of which seems to be working with the ffado drivers <vstar> even though both are shown as "known to work" <holstein> drag <holstein> yeah i was just checking http://www.ffado.org/?q=devicesupport/list&filter0=motu&filter1=&op2=OR <vstar> did you have to tweak stuff to get the firepod working? <holstein> i use to <holstein> now its plug and play pretty much <vstar> I haven't been digging much into the issue yet, I was really hoping someone had encountered it. <holstein> have either of them ever worked under linux for you? <vstar> so much for quick fixes ;) <vstar> I haven't tried. <holstein> OK <holstein> SO <vstar> up until recently, I hadn't considered linux as a studio option <holstein> you launch qjackctl <holstein> and run it <holstein> and no luck? <holstein> errors pop up? <vstar> I'll have to look at it later today. <vstar> not near the studio box right now and no remote access configured. <holstein> but you try using jack right? <vstar> negative. <holstein> OH <holstein> thats probably the issue <vstar> so, just use qjack and try to configure it that way? <holstein> yup <holstein> you can run... <holstein> sudo qjackctl <vstar> which is why there is a section about jack on the FAQ <holstein> to troubleshoot for permission errors <vstar> gotcha <holstein> you dont really need/want to run jack as root <holstein> BUT there is some permissions tweaking to do <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation <vstar> due to the nature of what it is, I can understand that. <holstein> i think most of the tweaking is on that site <holstein> or linked to it <holstein> BUT <holstein> just do sudo at first <holstein> then you'll know if its working without pulling too much hari out :) <holstein> hair* <holstein> ALSO, join #opensourcemusicians if your interested <vstar> I probably would have had better luck if I hadn't done the initial install in the wee hours of the morning. ;) <holstein> lots of jack/ardour and other talk there <vstar> awesome. <vstar> I have never used ardour before now <holstein> jack and ardour are quite amazing really <holstein> what were you using before? <holstein> DAW wise? <vstar> I've been a linux admin for years and I didn't realize until I was browsing through stuff a few weeks ago just how mature some of the products have become. <vstar> cubase and occasionally FL studio <vstar> I had considered going to a mac and Logic until I stumbled across ubuntu studio <holstein> i had cubase on xp for a long time <holstein> jack is the learning curve for linux really <holstein> but, i really like the flexibility jack makes possible <holstein> i guess it depends on what you trying to do production wise <holstein> the 5.1 audio editing is still behind <holstein> and some video <vstar> I'm converting a whole room in the house to a studio for my material <holstein> and lots of new midi synth coming out all the time relly <holstein> reall* <holstein> really* <holstein> BUT if your multitracking audio for a stereo master <holstein> things are more than far enough along for that <vstar> That will serve my purposes <holstein> and lots of other electronic music too <holstein> ardour will be getting MIDI soon <holstein> 3.x release <vstar> I'm a traditionalist <vstar> I play about 9 instruments <holstein> COOL <vstar> so I use very little midi <holstein> well, you wont miss a thing then :) <holstein> plugins are awesome <vstar> I haven't played with anything yet due to the interface issue <vstar> I'm gonna dig into jack tonight, though <holstein> we'll get your sorted out <vstar> doing a little research....netjack....have you used it? <holstein> you* <vstar> does it work well? <holstein> yup <holstein> i set up a test rig <holstein> with my main desktop audio box <holstein> and a laptop <holstein> works well <vstar> Have you tried it over the internet? <holstein> you know <holstein> i tried <vstar> massive failure? <holstein> and the guy that i was trying it with and i never got it going <vstar> hmmm <holstein> theres a helpful dev in #jack though <holstein> and he gave us suggestions <vstar> I might give it a whirl. <holstein> and we never got around to trying it again <vstar> I'd like to polish my long distance collab <holstein> have you checked out ninjam? <holstein> http://ninjam.com/ <vstar> However, the local network is great too, since I can get the main box out of my recording area <holstein> kinda cool <holstein> i used it (netjack) to slave off some softsynths to the laptop <holstein> kind of a poor mans dual core <holstein> locally it worked great <holstein> im sure it would do as well over the net too <holstein> we just had a network issue <holstein> i think <vstar> ninjam looks like the hotness <vstar> I can try a server on this box and see if I can get it working. <holstein> its interesting <holstein> the way it integrates network lag in <holstein> and its pretty easy to get going <holstein> they got test servers up <holstein> if you just want to try the client and get in there <holstein> and theres a ninjam server on somebodys box over at #opensourcemusicians <vstar> yeah, I might dig into that first and come back to the server <vstar> this box is on pretty high bandwidth and I have another host as well <holstein> but its been a while since its been used :/ <vstar> I joined that channel <vstar> holstein, you are a breath of fresh air on irc, btw <holstein> :) <VehementStar> too much hostility on IRC anymore <holstein> can be <holstein> i dont understand <holstein> wy <holstein> why* <VehementStar> I'm not really sure. <VehementStar> artistically inclinded people tend to be a little more laid back, though ;) <VehementStar> even the geeky ones #ubuntustudio 2010-03-11 <_dreamy> does anyone knows an application to record video and soumd ? simultaneously ? <_dreamy> maybe some that could be on synaptics <jussi01> _dreamy: like from a webcam? <jussi01> I think cheese can do it... <jussi01> !info cheese <ubottu> cheese (source: cheese): A tool to take pictures and videos from your webcam. In component main, is optional. Version 2.28.1-0ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 2423 kB, installed size 7144 kB <nyaa> is there any tool with ubuntu studio for fine tuning the kernel? I'm trying to get more fps out of it =) <_dreamy> jussi01: yes, however with sound too .. from mic <jussi01> _dreamy: as I said, I think cheese does sopund also. <_dreamy> like the videos from you tube are recorded... <_dreamy> ok <_dreamy> ty <jussi01> in any case, its not a lot of work to install and try it <_dreamy> nice , ty for the info <astraljava> Hey Jussi, how're you doing? <Andillusion> hi there... <duncanidaho1> I'm trying out cinelerra for the first time. It seems pretty cool so far but I can't get audio to work. <holstein> hmmm <VehementStar> so... * holstein wonders if you need to use jack <VehementStar> I was working on the issue last night, holstein. <VehementStar> And my machine finally bit the dust <holstein> hey VehementStar <holstein> OH <VehementStar> So, I'm upgrading sooner than expected. <holstein> computer-fail <holstein> drag <VehementStar> complete mobo failure <VehementStar> it was coming, though <holstein> i need to do the same <VehementStar> I'd been having some weird issues for months <holstein> put my current box on server duty <VehementStar> keys on the keyboard would stop working and then start again 2 hours later <holstein> put my current server in the trash ;) <VehementStar> I'm going to quad core with a minimum of 4GB of ram <holstein> sweet <VehementStar> I'm eventually gonna go to 16 <holstein> im thinking a dual core might do it for me <VehementStar> I was on dual <VehementStar> which was nice <holstein> what graphics? <VehementStar> nvidia...I forget the exact model <VehementStar> pretty high end * holstein doesnt have any multi cores in the house <holstein> well, one that i repaired for a guy ;) <VehementStar> I went to dual core about 2 years ago <holstein> what graphics card are you going to get? <VehementStar> I just damaged the board with a lot of heat <VehementStar> I'm gonna stick with what I have now for now <holstein> im thinking intel onboard <holstein> now-adays <VehementStar> I'm gonna upgrade shortly before SW:ToR comes out next year <holstein> intel is well supported <VehementStar> my graphics card works great in ubuntu studio <holstein> and im not going to game on thes box <holstein> just a studio rig <VehementStar> I hear ya <VehementStar> you don't need high end unless you're gonna do a lot of render work with blender or something <holstein> nah <VehementStar> if it's music only, I wouldn't worry <holstein> just let me see the ardour edit window :) <VehementStar> indeed <VehementStar> I think I might play with blender a bit <VehementStar> I installed everything when I install US <holstein> i got a wacom tablet <holstein> my pop just gave it to me <holstein> old one <VehementStar> cool <holstein> i plugged it into my netbook <holstein> and it works <holstein> i dont think i have any interest in blender though * holstein lunch... BBL <VehementStar> I'm outta here anyway <VehementStar> gotta go get allergy shots <xiven> Hey everyone <xiven> I am having an issue with the Splash loading screen for UbuntuStudio, the graphics like get misaligned and double printed during the loading phase. I have tried to reinstall it, but that hasn't solved it. Any ideas? <holstein> hey xiven <holstein> is it just the splash? <holstein> when you get into the desktop is is cool <holstein> ? <holstein> is this karmic? <holstein> is it cool* <xiven> Sorry, yeah the desktop is fine..its just the splash screen <xiven> I'm multitasking, forgot to check the channel.. <holstein> xiven: have you tried changing the theme? <holstein> i never install ubuntustudio <xiven> Yeah, I had tried changing it to the regular Gnome splash, and then back. <holstein> i just do a vanilla install and add the packages <holstein> hmm <xiven> I installed it because I was/am thinking of getting into the music mixing business.. <holstein> xiven: was the regular splash funky too? <xiven> Nah, it was fine. <holstein> well, there you go <holstein> i install the ubuntu studio packages i need <xiven> Hmm.. <holstein> not the themeing <holstein> although <holstein> the themeing is nice <xiven> maybe the splash for ubuntustudio is buggy <holstein> just switch to the normal gnome one i say <xiven> I liked it because regular Ubuntu developers don't seem to put anything pretty looking into their deallll <xiven> deal....* <xiven> For that I would do dpkg-reconfigure gnome2-splash-theme right? <holstein> hmmm <holstein> ive only done that in the GUI <xiven> I'm not even sure how to do it in the gui lol <holstein> which might have changed in karmic <xiven> I do most of my administration tasks in the shell <holstein> im migrating that way <xiven> Well, using the GUI stuff believe it or nor can take longer to do those tasks <xiven> There is less processing required for shell commands lol <xiven> I have never been able to convert myself to a pure shell user though, I know some linux people do EVERYTHING in the shell (xterm technically, some without a desktop environment at all), but I just can't adjust to that lol <xiven> I can't use IRC for example using a shell... <xiven> Unless something is broken and I cannot access the desktop..but I do not enjoy the experience heh <xiven> lol sorry...my fingers run like my mouth..sometimes I don't know when to stfu :P <holstein> nah <holstein> i run irssi now <holstein> so i can use screen <xiven> Does irrsi even have a terminal gui?? <holstein> nah <holstein> just text <xiven> I'd check..but I'm actually using Vista..i run Ubuntu through VirtualBox ( I can't completely pull myself away from Windows). <holstein> curses <xiven> Ahh <xiven> Curses is a poor excuse for graphics if you ask me <xiven> Although it did work well for Zinc <xiven> One of my main issues is probably that I don't constraign myself to one client, or one program <xiven> I'll use whatever is in front of me..but sometimes, that actually makes you less productive. <holstein> i like that <holstein> your more flexible <xiven> Yeah..but I do take a productivity hit. <holstein> computer user instead of a software user :) <xiven> Makes me have to search for features..or something they call a feature will need adjusted, and I'll have no idea how. <xiven> Yeah, just means I waste time in some cases doing something the hard way which IDE's do automatically, but I either don't know it..or don't know how to make it do it. <xiven> What do you do? I mean are you just a linux user, or are you into software,web,networking or something? <duncanidaho1> What is the best method and tool to capture video via firewire in Linux? I'd like to edit with cinelerra, but I seem to be unable to capture with it. I can only capture in kino when I run it with sudo. #ubuntustudio 2010-03-12 <smc> does anybody know the proper settings for cinelerra 2.1CV on Juanty <holstein> hey smc <smc> holstein, hello <smc> do you know anything about cenelerra <holstein> nah <holstein> i only do audio :/ <smc> nobody else does much ether <holstein> have you tried the mailing list? <smc> My problem is audio <holstein> OH <holstein> hmm <smc> It only has alsa settings and juanty uses pluse <holstein> maybe you need jack <holstein> you got a minute? <smc> yae * holstein looks <holstein> well <holstein> have you used jack smc ? <smc> no what's jack <holstein> http://jackaudio.org/ <holstein> its what i use <holstein> pulse suspends <holstein> and jack routes audio in or out of software and hardware <holstein> very cool <holstein> a little overkill for what you need <holstein> BUT im wondering if it wont do what you want <smc> Yea Every thing is working so far except the sound in cinelerra <holstein> you could try it <smc> I don't want to brake it everything else, will jack make me rework everything <holstein> nah <holstein> you can just try it <holstein> no issues <holstein> do you have an ubuntu studio install? <smc> Skype has a little trouble some times <holstein> or did you get packages on a vanilla? <smc> no I'm running crunchbang which is juanty right now <holstein> OK <holstein> in that case <holstein> you dont have jack installed <holstein> hmmm <holstein> #! is great by the way :) <smc> with these low end machines if I'm going to do any haevy work like video or audio I need a lite desktop. <smc> I'm be back another day, I'm setting up this box to do some presentations, mixing Photos,music, and short video clips. For memintos of brithdays and baby shows and such., It's a little late see you anther day. <holstein> http://code.goto10.org/projects/puredyne/ <holstein> you could try that <smc> ok <holstein> its an ubuntu
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