#ubuntu-us-ca 2011-10-01 <philipballew> howdy all! <seidos> howdy <crash-partyhat> hello <akk> Is there a schedule for Oneiric somewhere, like when beta2 might be likely to be out? Likely to be much difference between today's build and one next Tuesday? <akk> Oh, NM, I guess it is out, it just wasn't showing up on the page I was looking at (they make those betas kinda hard to find). <seidos> no kidding <akk> Get a load of this: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/beta-2/ has no x86 desktop CD images, only amd64 <akk> but http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.10/ (which has the exact same title, Oneiric beta 2) does have x86 desktop CD <akk> both of them say that's the type of build most people will want, even the page that doesn't offer it in the most common architecture <akk> Actually the first one seems to be a Mac page (all the builds say Mac) though it doesn't say anything about macs in either the title or URL. <seidos> well, the only reason for me to install a different version now is for the newer kernels <seidos> i'll likely do an alternate install if i ever reinstall ubuntu, my notebook is about 3 years ago <seidos> lol <seidos> mustn't say the "o" word <akk> I've got a new laptop coming (my current one has a cracked screen -- tragedy!) <akk> so I thought I might try oneiric to see if the powersaving bug has improved any <seidos> this is the 2nd screen on this notebook >_< <akk> Also it gives me something to put on my whizzy multi-live-CD USB stick. :) <seidos> multi-live-cd usb stick? that sounds interesting. <akk> The cheapest screen for mine was $180 on ebay, used and not perfect. It's a sony, so parts are hard to get. <seidos> ah, yeah. mine was $100 <seidos> i guess sony is like the bmw of notebooks <seidos> the metaphor is probably imperfect :P <akk> Something like that, anyway. <akk> Anyway, half the price of a new vaguely comparable machine (that I hope will fix a lot of the problems that old machine had, doubtless substituting new ones :) <akk> For the multi USB stick I followed http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1288604 -- it was super easy, worked like a charm. <seidos> what brand is the new one? <akk> The new one's a Dell. <seidos> probably not a bad choice <seidos> they are like the Ford of computers <seidos> or Honda <akk> I've never had one, but d's been happy with his Dell Mini 9. <seidos> hard to say, since parts come from over seas o_o <seidos> i saw an ad for a dell, i think it was in the paper <seidos> it looked like they were trying to make it look like a Mac <akk> And it looked like the best option from the 4-5 possible choices that met my criteria. <seidos> if i had money, i might've done that <seidos> the only other thing i might consider are gateway and lenovo <seidos> and lenovo is out, since i'm trying to help the u.s. economy, for the trickle down <akk> Lenovo was on my list, but it was 1.5x the price (for admittedly a much higher spec machine). <seidos> i'd be interested in hearing out it goes. now i'd probably want to buy something used if something happened to this notebook <seidos> it's already hanging together, battery is dead, and ac adapter is soldered together <akk> My vaio was used from ebay, and it's served me well for 4 years (except it did have some scratches on the screen from the keyboard). <seidos> i had a vaio at an old job. i liked it. <seidos> i think it was a p3 900mhz :) <seidos> 14" <akk> There are some good laptop deals on ebay -- though for this one, I got a much better deal at Dell's outlet (it's a refurb) than the used ones on ebay. <akk> I had a p3 700 10" vaio laptop before this Centrino 11" one. <akk> Sony makes nice hardware but they are quirky, and sometimes hard to repair/get parts for. <akk> Ironically, the Dell I bought also comes with Linux -- but only in certain configurations, not the ones I wanted, and not the cheap ones from the outlet. <seidos> i never had a problem with the 14" i had, but i didn't have it for very long <seidos> it was a compusa special, anything at the time was petter than the p1-200mhz <seidos> context is everything <akk> yep! <seidos> i'm still not satisfied with my configuration, i think what i want doesn't exist <akk> That's always true for me. <akk> I was really happy with the current Vaio's size, but nobody makes that any more. <seidos> i'm happy with the 13" size, but i should've got a tablet <akk> The tablet I want doesn't exist either. :) <seidos> it's kind of good that i didn't, because had i did, i would likely have had all kinds of problems <seidos> i saw some "tablets" being used on a samurai jack extras video <akk> This dell I'm getting has a touchscreen! It'll be interesting to see if I can make it work in Linux. <seidos> i think it was an external monitor or something though <seidos> and they looked expensive <seidos> good luck :) <akk> Thanks! <philipballew> kdub_, you get stuck with mas again? <MarkDude> aaditya: pingy <jdeslip> Is there a way to contact a launchpad user if they didn't provide an email address? <seidos> jdeslip: any luck? <seidos> hello makushimu <makushimu> hello seidos! <aaditya> MarkDude: pong <MarkDude> Hey there aaditya how are things going with you? * MarkDude wants to maybe meet up with you next week, and see about organizing search for permanent location for GK <aaditya> MarkDude: things are going well. <aaditya> I'll PM. <philipballew> just got a desktop, monitor, router, and 5 usb wireless adapters for 50 bucks! <MarkDude> Sounds like a deal philipballew <seidos> i wouldn't know what to do with them. i have two desktops sitting under the kitchen table collecting dust <seidos> what i really need are books. i'm going to check out the west hollywood library <philipballew> seidos, yeah, my desktop mobo craped out on me, so this guy from the rich part of sd was trying to get rid of them <philipballew> what kind of books <seidos> a decent anatomy physiology book would probably be good <seidos> electrical engineering, mechanical engineering <seidos> unfortunately, i suspect i'll have to go to a college library to get these <seidos> i was thinking schematics would be awesome, but i doubt i have the tools to really build anything <seidos> i should probably stick to biology, really <MarkDude> seidos: what about visualizing find a garage sale that has some cool books at it, it could happen <philipballew> if you come here seidos we have all that stuff <philipballew> but 100 miles is kinda far <seidos> the bigger problem is food and shelter philipballew :) <seidos> MarkDude: so could winning the lottery :) <seidos> still haven't got that cumberbun for this year's SCaLE either :P <seidos> not sure where i'm going to find that <philipballew> well i have meals you can have and a floor :) <seidos> philipballew: i'll take this into consideration :) <seidos> i don't have a sleeping bag, so a floor may not be sufficient. 100mi would take 10+ hours on a bike o_o <MarkDude> Well I have actually visualized stuff like finding a book. <MarkDude> And had it happen, we are nottalking world peace <MarkDude> cumberbun? Epic <seidos> tell us how it happened MarkDude. i'd like to hear the story * MarkDude remembers being bored a few years ago - while living in Santa Cruz <MarkDude> Wanted to read, imagined it being so <MarkDude> Hoped on my bike, and rode araound randomly <MarkDude> found some books at a sale that was ending, they were free <seidos> ah, interesting <seidos> i'm not really bored. i might be able to read the books i want at the santa monica college library <seidos> i'll have to go there <MarkDude> I mean it was a weekend, during the day, I dont think is as likely to happen- in Alaska in winter on tuesday <crashsystems> hello world <seidos> did the world respond? <crashsystems> not really. the ping timed out <seidos> T_T <seidos> http://abstrusegoose.com/134 <crashsystems> People I've known that are younger than me are having children, which makes me feel old. I should't log into Facebook. o_O <seidos> here's what you do <seidos> you stand up <seidos> and spin around several times <seidos> you should feel younger afterwards <crashsystems> yeah, that would bring back memories... <seidos> reveries, they can make you feel younger or older i suspect <seidos> ah, right, i think if one just remembers without reliving it, then they'll feel old <seidos> i think i'm getting younger though. just the other day i think i turned 15 <seidos> thankfully i'm a mature 15 <MarkDude> Hmmm * MarkDude is hoping to be 15 one day <MarkDude> I have to reach it before I can return <seidos> i listen to Nirvana now, and it's okay that i'm so horny, because my will is good <MarkDude> Just dont get a heroin habit, and avoid talking to Courtney Love <seidos> if i can manage not to get fibromyalgia or whatever he had i should be okay <crashsystems> anyone know when the next mountain view meet up is? <seidos> crashsystems: should be on the website somewhere. did you already check? <crashsystems> nope * crashsystems checks <seidos> i'm investigating html5 stuff, i just disabled flash in mozilla o_o <seidos> so apparently h.264 is evil <MarkDude> yep , h254 kicks puppies <crashsystems> I want to play around with using the html5 audio tag as an xss injection <seidos> maybe i do too, i have no idea what an xss is <crashsystems> cross site scripting. <crashsystems> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Cross-site_Scripting_(XSS) <seidos> crashsystems: did you find the list of ubuntu hours? <crashsystems> nope <seidos> it's kind of funky: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours <seidos> i had to click "projects" to get to it, not "meetings" <crashsystems> I just had the idea to google it instead of trying to navigate there <seidos> that's kind of slow for me right now :( <seidos> i'm torrenting and using mozilla (abrowser in trisquel) <crashsystems> if I could get Firefox's tab groups in Chrome, I could die a happy man. <seidos> when was the tab group added? in ff7? <seidos> lol, reminds me of "final fantasy 7" <crashsystems> ff4 <seidos> cloud and his big @#& sword <seidos> hmmm, i wonder if abrowser has it. <seidos> i should just install the newest firefox and be done with it <crashsystems> I use Chrome at home, but I couldn't live without Firefox at work <seidos> i stopped using chrome about a week ago <seidos> it's been teaching me to be patient <crashsystems> lol <akk> I just wish they hadn't taken away small tabs when they added tab groups. <akk> I haven't figured out how to use tab groups, and meanwhile without minimum tab size it'll only show a small number of davidhull@example.net. <seidos> i've just been using "app tabs" <crashsystems> yeah, app tabs do save some space, but still does not solve the kinds of problems I have when I have 80 tabs open <seidos> i don't have that many tabs open anymore, maybe 20 at a time <seidos> 10 app tabs, and 6 other <akk> Firefox 6 won't show any more than 10 davidhull@example.net. :( <crashsystems> I often have at least 45 davidhull@example.net. Fewer at home, but still a decent number <akk> Make that 9, not even 10. <MarkDude> Ubuntu does not allow easy search for stuff using its wiki <akk> I always do general google searches (with ubuntu as one of the keywords) and end up with lots of ubuntu wiki pages. <MarkDude> Waaaaaaaaaaaay better than Fedoras tho. that NEVER works. Everyso often you can find stuff on Ubuntu <akk> or forum, maybe not wiki so much <seidos> someone just recommended epiphany <seidos> i'm going to try it out <akk> MarkDude! I've had EIGHT berries fall in the last couple weeks! :) <seidos> i guess it uses webkit? <MarkDude> Good deal akk <crashsystems> doesn't just about everything use webkit, other than firefox? (IE / Opera don't count :D) <akk> right, everything but firefox and opera <akk> and a few weirdo outliers like dillo <MarkDude> I was talking to friend - told her she will be on shortlist of folks able to try the berries in some salsa <akk> and lynx/links/w3m :) <akk> You can also write your own webkit browser in a page or two of python. :) <akk> (okay, so it would take a little more than that if you want bookmarks and good tab handling) <MarkDude> Or much more in my case ;) <seidos> that would be interesting, to look at a page or 2 of python code <seidos> firefox isn't a page or 2, and i suspect epiphany isn't either <akk> Install python-webkit, then read /usr/share/doc/python-webkit/examples/browser.py <seidos> can it be done with perl :D <seidos> i'll check if there's a perl webkit <akk> which is 455 lines, so more like 10 pages, but still <crashsystems> ugh, perl <akk> I'm fairly sure there's a perl webkit too. #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-10-02 <seidos> i thought this was interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRWare_Iron <seidos> cool logo <seidos> any ideas on how to compile this? http://search.cpan.org/~flora/Gtk2-WebKit-0.09/lib/Gtk2/WebKit.pm <seidos> already tried ./configure <akk> If it's cpan, can't you just install it via cpan rather than downloading and building the source locally? <akk> It'll probably pull in tons of other stuff and take forever, but that's perl on ubuntu. <crashsystems> you do perl seidos ? <seidos> i try crashsystems <seidos> i'm using trisquel, akk. is that a problem? I looked for a gtk2-webkit package but couldn't find one using apt-cache <crashsystems> if you are ever in the market for a perl job, let me know. <seidos> crashsystems: what kind of qualifications are you looking for? <akk> Never heard of trisquel, no idea if it's a problem. But doing anything significant with perl always seems to involve installing cpan modules. <crashsystems> me personally? I'm not in a position to do any hiring. But the dev department at the company I work at, WhiteHat Security, uses perl. <seidos> it's an ubuntu derivative recommended by fsf <seidos> oh yeah, i looked at the web page i think, back then i didn't think i would make the cut. i'll take a look again <crashsystems> https://www.whitehatsec.com/abt/careers.html#WEBdev <seidos> yeah, javascript, ajax, and jquery would be a problem for me. also xml/json and solid experience building web apps <seidos> but thanks for the heads up crashsystems <crashsystems> yw <philipballew> can someone help me track down a driver for a netgear wpn111 <seidos> crashsystems: if they open a more entry level position, even if it's min wage, let me know :) <crashsystems> I'm not sure how much of that is actual hard requirement and how much it the typical thing employers do where they inflate their actual requirements on the jobs page. <seidos> i could send my resume i guess. do you know if i would have to be in santa clara? <crashsystems> you'd have to be close enough that you could come into the office each morning. I think some of our devs live in SF <seidos> ah, i live in los angeles <seidos> thanks again for the heads up though <philipballew> how dangerous is over clocking my cpu? #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-10-03 <grantbow> ping: pleia2, jono or anyone else that might be able to help. <grantbow> I've scheduled an Ubuntu Hour in Kenya. Unfortunately loco.ubuntu.com doesn't seem to allow posting events without a team. <jono> grantbow, yup <rww> grantbow: that's a technical restriction of LD, not something people can override <grantbow> oh, hi jono <grantbow> so how do I publicize this event and record it's progress if the team isn't setup there yet? <rww> get the team set up properly? or use something other than LD? <grantbow> working on that but it's taking awhile <rww> #ubuntu-locoteams may have alternate ideas (and is probably a better venue), but those are the alternatives I see assuming LD code hasn't changed fundamentally since I last looked at it <grantbow> chicken and egg issue, ok <grantbow> thanks <nhaines> Thus reaffirming my view that LD is utterly useless outside of a very small, well-defined use case. <rww> philipballew: If you do it properly, it's fine. If you don't, the computer will overheat and/or not turn on until the overclock's unset (either automatically by your motherboard or using a jumper on the motherboard). Thermal control on modern CPUs means it likely won't be an issue, but if you do break it, it's you that's out the money ;) <rww> philipballew: personally, I've run mine at about 25% overclock and could probably get it higher if I wanted and never had issues. ymmv <philipballew> hum. I just bought a old new for me desktop with a pentium 4 <nhaines> Although I'm not sure why people expect to be allowed to put non-LoCo events on the LoCo event directory. <philipballew> rww, I need to learn to do mods like this <grantbow> in order to get a team started activity has to be shown. Activities need to be successful for a team to start. <rww> philipballew: I specifically bought my motherboard and CPU knowing that I'd be overclocking it. Various combinations do or don't support overclocking, it's a bit weird. <rww> I'm spoiled by mine, don't know how to do the harder ones :) <nhaines> grantbow: Non-LoCo events don't belong on a LoCo event directory. <philipballew> yeah. it was 50 bucks so i got it. maybe i shouldnt break it <philipballew> came with a router to... good thing i dont need it <nhaines> Ubuntu Hours are probably best advertisd locally with fliers or local ML posts, anyhow. <philipballew> where you place them is key <grantbow> noted <nhaines> grantbow: just because of the local nature of them. But the good news is that it doesn't hurt and can be done before any LoCo stuff gets sorted out. <nhaines> And with luck, the UH can be a good place to meet peole interested in forming a LoCo. <grantbow> popey just enabled it on loco.ubuntu.com as unapproved * rww looks <grantbow> I think <grantbow> ah, invited and they need to accept <rww> thought so <rww> I was going to say, that contradicted a lot of my assumptions ;) <grantbow> hakuna matata rww <bkerensa> =o <bkerensa> My server is struggling to handle the amount of traffic it is receiving <bkerensa> :D #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-10-04 <bkerensa> =o <MarkDude> Hey there bkerensa <bkerensa> hi <MarkDude> One of the most active folks in cali is from Oregon <MarkDude> Are you trying to repay my favor helping Oregon ? <bkerensa> ;p <MarkDude> Karmic equalization and such? :D <bkerensa> nah ;) <MarkDude> You have many ways to teach us <bkerensa> its just Oregon channel is sporadic <bkerensa> :D <bkerensa> ;) <MarkDude> Be kind to new folks they may be teaching you sooner than you think <bkerensa> :D indeed <bkerensa> Well I better go to bed... I have a interview tomorrow at FreeGeek <bkerensa> :D <MarkDude> Most channels are on and off- minus a few like social <MarkDude> good luck with it <DarkwingDuck> garg, just missed him.. <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: san diego ubuntu hour on for tonight? <pleia2> (confirming so I can send out the tweet) <DarkwingDuck> pleia2: Yes. <DarkwingDuck> pleia2: TY <pleia2> k, thanks <kdub__> DarkwingDuck: still on for th san diego ubuntu hour tonight? <pleia2> yep (I confirmed earlier) <kdub__> ok, cool <kdub__> just wanted to make sure before i made my way down to hillcrest * nhaines is happy that Ubuntu Mono is now the default monospace font in Ubuntu 11.10, UI freeze be damned. <pleia2> yeah :) <pleia2> is shiny <nhaines> Also since there's no way to change fonts in GNOME3 I guess the package update is a good thing anyway. :P <pleia2> oh dear <akk> No way to change fonts? <akk> I know gnome believes prefs are bad, but that's taking it a bit far. <nhaines> akk: too confusing for new users, I'm sure. <akk> True -- they might see screenshots in howtos and go "oh no! Mine doesn't look exactly like that!" <nhaines> akk: if they keep changing the interface two weeks before launch, that's exactly what'll happen. :) <DarkwingDuck> kdub_: ping <DarkwingDuck> nhaines: ping #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-10-05 <kdub__> all alone at the ubuntu hour :( <kdub__> DarkwingDuck still coming? <DarkwingDuck> :( My ride forgot about me. <DarkwingDuck> I'm 30 miles out. <DarkwingDuck> I don't think I'll be able to make it... I was hoping tht lady who wanted help installing would be there. <DarkwingDuck> Sorry Kev... <kdub__> ah, dang <kdub__> alright then <kdub__> phil couldnt make it either, guess its a bust this time <kdub__> i'm gonna head out, this place makes me a touch uncomfortable <pleia2> yikes, no one is sticking around in case others show up? <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: any release party plans down there? <pleia2> I think jono, grantbow and I being out of town during the release is a perfect storm for nothing happening up here ;) <akk> When is the release? <pleia2> thursday the 13th <akk> And btw, is there a url with info on the upcoming ubuntu release, in general, with dates and links to downloads? <akk> I had some trouble a few days ago finding a valid link to a beta2 iso (googling -- never been able to find it from ubuntu's top level site). <pleia2> there's the release calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ubuntu-release-calendar/ and the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule <pleia2> the wiki one actually links to all the details <akk> Yeah, the wiki page looks like what I would have wanted. <akk> Now I'm trying to figure out what I should have searched for on the wiki to find it (so I'll be able to find it for the next release). <pleia2> "release schedule" is usually a good bet <pleia2> searching for the version name or number works in google <pleia2> 11.10 release cycle or oneiric release cycle <akk> I was searching for oneiric beta in google -- it took me to a page that had only mac ISOs but didn't say it was a mac page. <akk> I was very confused about why there were 64-bit builds but no x86 builds for oneiric until I finally noticed the -mac- in the filenames. <pleia2> huh, that is annoying <akk> Searching for "oneiric downloads" on the wiki doesn't find anything, so that wouldn't have worked. "oneiric beta" gets a huge long list of png files. <akk> I'll try to remember "release schedule" even though I was only looking for downloads at the time, not the schedule. <pleia2> IS at Canonical isn't exactly great at SEO though, for a very long time edubuntu.org wiki pages would come up before the identical ubuntu.com ones, was very annoying <akk> I really wish there was some link, maybe a small one, on ubuntu's main site for "beta builds" or "help us test" or something. <pleia2> they used to, but they got really bad feedback from "normal people" <akk> oh, sigh <pleia2> it was two-fold, people didn't realize that beta meant testing (thanks google for your gmail beta, et al) or they thought all of ubuntu was beta software <DarkwingDuck> pleia2: No. Libertopia looks like it will be cancelled too... They are kicking us out of our apt for termite tenting <DarkwingDuck> pleia2: I'll see what I can put together... But this month is <CENSORED> <DarkwingDuck> anyone seen Mark? <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: *nod* sorry to hear that :( <DarkwingDuck> pleia2: Yeah, it sucks so, During that time I'll go stay with my dad about 3 hours away. * DarkwingDuck rubs eyes <nhaines> DarkwingDuck: pong <grantbow> DarkwingDuck: MarkDude? I think he got a girlfriend. <pleia2> jyo: drat, it is Pangolin <pleia2> Precise Pangolin http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/784 <MarkDude> lol <MarkDude> pangolin? <pleia2> I looked a couple weeks ago when jyo suggested Pangolin, may be impossible to find a Pangolin stuffed animal ;) <DarkwingDuck> It's a scaley anteater <MarkDude> Fedora called- they said thx for making the likely new name of Beefy Miracle look even better <MarkDude> :D <MarkDude> DarkwingDuck, it is precise also <pleia2> cool, the san diego zoo has a pangolin <MarkDude> precision anteaters <DarkwingDuck> It does? <MarkDude> with scales <pleia2> http://www.sandiegozoo.org/animalbytes/t-pangolin.html <DarkwingDuck> I'll have to go check it out. <MarkDude> not rly <pleia2> ack, it's raining /again/ * bkerensa leaves comment on Mark Shuttleworth's Pangolin post <pleia2> san francisco is being weird :( <bkerensa> pleia2: Weird? LOL it rains often in SF <bkerensa> :P <bkerensa> It is October after all <MarkDude> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/about/relnamef17 how horrible are the other names? It is almost like the decided this Miracle thing would keep going- so the figured they should get it over with <MarkDude> Panguipulli ? * MarkDude hopes that name is not chosen. precise Panguipullian XD <bkerensa> Garmin Operator: I'll transfer you now <jyo> pleia2: YES! * MarkDude wonders if there is a time when SF is NOT being weird? <MarkDude> THAT would be scary <DarkwingDuck> Should have called it Pika Pikachu <bkerensa> Does anyone know if message templates are possible in Thunderbird? <bkerensa> Due to the volume of e-mail I send and receive it seems like canned messages may be required <jyo> bkerensa: Clippings add-on? * bkerensa checks <bkerensa> success :) <bkerensa> jyo: Thanks you just saved my poor fingers a lot of typing <MarkDude> Pokemon would have been a good name also <MarkDude> Or maybe... idk, PENGUIN <pleia2> can't actually use a proprietary name ;) <pleia2> and penguin is too obvious <MarkDude> Like using the word LINUX on the Ubuntu site? <MarkDude> :D <bkerensa> LOL <bkerensa> MarkDude: Eucalyptus people are very friendly <bkerensa> :D <jyo> [20:23] <jyo> Wouldn't it be awesome if we got... Pangolin for the next codename? <jyo> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/09/20/%23ubuntu-us-ca.txt WIN <MarkDude> +1 jyo <pleia2> now it's beautiful and sunny again :) <nhaines> DarkwingDuck: pong <DarkwingDuck> nhaines: I answered my own question. Sorry mate. :) <nhaines> Ah, okay! <DarkwingDuck> pleia2: http://benjaminkerensa.com/2011/07/30/netflix-instant-is-coming-to-the-entire-linux-community/ You read this? <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: yes, ages ago <nhaines> Seems to be the same hearsay that's been floating around for the last two or three years. <iheartubuntu> old news :) <iheartubuntu> so as i understand netflix isnt avail to european countries? <nhaines> US, Canada, Brazil, and *maybe* Mexico. <iheartubuntu> i would think that would be a smart move to expand there for at at least online streaming <pleia2> iheartubuntu: yeah, even if you're a US customer abroad <pleia2> (the netflix app for android came out when I was in budapest, such torture :)) <iheartubuntu> that sucks <iheartubuntu> to watch on a phone? or tablet? <pleia2> phone <DarkwingDuck> I watch it on my phone and PS3 <pleia2> I watch on my television (it came with a netflix app), phone and cr-48 <pleia2> all of them use a linux kernel, btw <iheartubuntu> thats funny! <nhaines> It's not really up to Netflix. Most companies simply refuse to license different territories at once, and of course very territory needs its own licenses. <pleia2> yeah, they've been working to expand coverage but it may not be economically reasonable either <pleia2> countdown banners are finally being updated: https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/2011-October/001180.html * pleia2 was getting pretty grumpy about it <pleia2> just waiting on the switch to be flipped for them to actually update them ;) <nhaines> pleia2: now I just have to decide if I care enough at this point to update my site! <pleia2> nhaines: heh, I just kept them up forever <pleia2> actually, on my blog I don't, but yeah, it's so late that it's just kind of annoying now <nhaines> pleia2: me to. <nhaines> err, too. * nhaines kills his keyboard. <DarkwingDuck> 8 more days... <iheartubuntu> the 13 year olds banner is pretty nice <iheartubuntu> i jsut started using his <iheartubuntu> (talk about lazy) <nhaines> Corbin had a nice design. <iheartubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/702999/ <iheartubuntu> plug that into your site for corbins design <iheartubuntu> did they ever pick a winner? <nhaines> Leszek PruszyÅski won. <DarkwingDuck> WOAH! EPIC!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHJOz_y9rZE <iheartubuntu> awesome <DarkwingDuck> I want one. <iheartubuntu> how do they do it <iheartubuntu> crazy <DarkwingDuck> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! <DarkwingDuck> I just got a phone call from Disney <MarkDude> Dont tell me <MarkDude> Rly? <MarkDude> Did they say what I think you are going to say? <DarkwingDuck> They are asking me to stop using a copyrighted name as my nickname. <DarkwingDuck> and Darkwing is taken. <pleia2> wow, seriously? <DarkwingDuck> Yup * DarkwingDuck is NOT happy <DarkwingDuck> and Darkwing is taken. <iheartubuntu> as irc nick? <DarkwingDuck> Yes. <iheartubuntu> thats bs * DarkwingDuck is going to do some research <pleia2> I guess this means disney is officially more evil than lucas ;) <DarkwingDuck> Yup <iheartubuntu> the cost of taking you to court doesnt make any sense <DarkwingDuck> They asked. I don't want to be a pain... But, I'll offer to sell them the domain name darkwingduck.org for 85,000USD :D <iheartubuntu> dont they have anything better to do * iheartubuntu plays imperial march on floppy discs again <DarkwingDuck> LOL <nhaines> Haha, they really asked that? <nhaines> Incidentally, offering to sell a trademarked domain can be used as evidence of profiteering. <MarkDude> Well Lucas has some folks smart enough to know not to screw with the Princess <DarkwingDuck> Yeah.. I wont do that. <rww> DarkwingDuck: Darkwing is droppable, if you want it. <rww> It expired a couple of months ago. <DarkwingDuck> rww: Please? <rww> DarkwingDuck: /nick to it <Darkwing> Yay! <rww> 22:55 -NickServ(davidhull@example.net.)- The account darkwing has been dropped. <Darkwing> I'll need to change my cloak too. <rww> Darkwing: I can sort that out too, once you /msg nickserv help group and /msg nickserv help set accountname <rww> (and I find an IRCC person) <iheartubuntu> "DarkwingDuck is now known as Darkwing'... wish i could slim down in real life that easy <pleia2> I guess this is a bad time for my "I'm going to Disney World!" cheer? <Darkwing> LOL <Darkwing> rww: Darkwing is not the accountname <MarkDude> Is DisneyISevil taken? <rww> Darkwing: /join #ubuntu-irc, highlight topyli saying you want your cloak changed <MarkDude> How about SCREWdisney <iheartubuntu> well, Shuttleworth wont be able to use Darkwing at all for Ubuntu 19.04 thats for sure <rww> I already strongly dislike them for wrecking copyright law, so... ;) * rww misses stuff going into the public domain ever <pleia2> ack, eaten by wikipedia <pleia2> man, I had the biggest crush on don karnage as a kid <pleia2> and wanted to BE Gadget <Darkwing> GARG! <Darkwing> This name is in my GPG AND my SSH keys * Darkwing crys <pleia2> heh <rww> lolnicknamesingpg <rww> ssh is trivial to change, you just edit the relevant text in id_rsa.pub, ne? <Darkwing> David (DarkwingDuck) Wonderly <rww> my personal preference for gpg keys is "Whatever's on the ID you're going to be showing me when I keysign" :P <rww> and for people with established pseudonyms, make a key with both on it, I'll sign one based on reputation and relationship and the other based on teh government * rww spends too much time thinking about this sort of thing <Darkwing> I'm going to just remake a key and not include ANY nick in there. <iheartubuntu> wow its after 4 already. the time just goes so fast! <philipballew> Darkwing, what happened bad? <rww> Darkwing: perhaps-obvious note: generate a revocation certificate for the old key with a description that explains that you're no longer using the key, it wasn't compromised, and that your new key is 0xwhatever <rww> explanation doesn't matter so much since you have no signatures on your old one, but revoking it does. <Darkwing> Aye <rww> and upload it to the keyserver network, ofc <Darkwing> Aye. <MarkDude> And another thing Disney- FU for messing up the whole copyright thing over Mickey rat * MarkDude had a mickey rat shirt as teen, and was not allowed to enter the park with family while wearing it <MarkDude> All these dudes in matching suits and ear wires to scare me- made me reverse it <MarkDude> Then I walked inside, and turned it around <jyo> Steve Jobs died. Holy crap. <Darkwing> Say What?! <pleia2> yeah :( <pleia2> apple.com <MarkDude> Wow <MarkDude> Methodologies aside- the dude was a real visionary <Darkwing> No kidding. <pleia2> yeah <MarkDude> Hard to think of many people that changed a company as much, and in turn affected society in so many ways <akgraner> MarkDude, +1 #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-10-06 <MarkDude> YokoZar, your FB post helped inspire me to do some Haiku <Darkwing> pleia2: ping <MarkDude> Everytime I will see your nick- or whatever you change it to- will make me think of how Disney is leading the way in douchebaggery <Darkwing> This is what I'm changing to. <Darkwing> :) * MarkDude is glad that is logged (for once) take it and send in response when they go to DMCA you or whatever <Darkwing> hehehe <MarkDude> I mean fighting them would be good for publicity <Darkwing> I don't have the time or the resources to fight... and being honest they were nice and never threatened me. They simply asked. <MarkDude> and then drop it after you make the news, being a Dad - just trying to help your family <Darkwing> LOL <MarkDude> Well a newsd story or 2 would be a good local way to get on radar <MarkDude> then you drop it <Darkwing> But do I really want to hit the news that way? <MarkDude> Call the cameras out and burn some darkwing stuff <Darkwing> ahhhhhhhahahhaha <MarkDude> Sure, if you can get in story your tech specialty <MarkDude> and you are looking for tech work <Darkwing> :D <MarkDude> and your choice of name was meant to honor the terror that flaps in the night <MarkDude> I mean if you get your kids kicking some darkwing stuff- I will bet $ you can go national <MarkDude> at least NPR <MarkDude> SoCal news wuold be better <Darkwing> I'll just use it as a funny story. <MarkDude> Seriously you are a vet, wrap yourself in a flag- and infer Disney is full of pinko commies <MarkDude> :D <MarkDude> And most likely kick puppies <MarkDude> And sue kittens to remove their bows <Darkwing> And they I have to explain to my kids why I can't take them to Disney Land <MarkDude> lol <Darkwing> they=then <MarkDude> exactly <MarkDude> Look, Daddy is making a moral stand here kids- you will understand WHY in your 30s - after some therapy <Darkwing> ROFL! Yeah... Not worth it. <MarkDude> lol <MarkDude> We are going to Knotts Berry farm, it is just as fun, no stop crying <MarkDude> now <pleia2> Darkwing: pong <Darkwing> pleia2: I need some sysadmin help :) <pleia2> ok, what's up? <Darkwing> I'm moving my emails from davidhull@example.net to davidhull@example.net... darkwingduck.org is a subdomain of wonderly.com... They are both on the same virtural server. Is this possible? <pleia2> I don't really understand what you mean by darkwingduck being a subdomain, but I don't see why not <pleia2> are you running your own mailserver? <Darkwing> It's all hosted elsewhere <pleia2> so what does email have to do with your server? <Darkwing> Yes, the mailserver is there yes. Sorry. :) <pleia2> ok, so can you describe what your server is doing now, and what you want it to do? <Darkwing> I'm just not sure how to move teh 14000+ messages from one account to another server side. <pleia2> "another server side"? <Darkwing> Both of the emails are on the same server. <pleia2> were both ubuntu@d and linux@w active accounts? or is linux new? <Darkwing> Just need to migrate teh messages that are in davidhull@example.net to davidhull@example.net. It's all on the same server. <Darkwing> linux is new. <pleia2> just copy the mbox over and set up /etc/aliases to make ubuntu: linux <Darkwing> Okay. <pleia2> not sure how you have email set up, but postfix will need to understand both mail names <pleia2> I use exim, never actually looked at how postfix handles multi domain setup <Darkwing> Yeah. I'll get it. <Darkwing> :D <pleia2> :) <Darkwing> God, I HATE ContOS <Darkwing> *CentOS <nhaines> What about GlaDOS? <pleia2> YokoZar: awesome reply to that community survey post to -devel <pleia2> I just facepalmed when I read it :) <pleia2> for the peanut gallery: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2011-October/012965.html <YokoZar> pleia2: Thank you :) <akk> Anybody running natty and have a /boot/initrd.img-2.6.38-8-generic they'd be willing to let me copy? <akk> I have a natty that doesn't boot because it's missing its initrd, but I can't regenerate an initrd if I can't boot. <akk> (I'm booted off debian and can copy files to the natty partition, just can't boot to natty) <nhaines> akk: I can probably rig something up in a virtual machine. <nhaines> akk: 32-bit right? <akk> Hold on, I think I may have found one <akk> 32-bit, yes <akk> found someone with an -11 kernel, so I'm copying all the modules too, and hoping <nhaines> akk: okay, I'm booting a live CD now, so let me know. <akk> Thanks! I'm going to reboot and try this -- BRB <akk> Progress -- I can boot, I just can't do anything (like access the net). So maybe if I download the real -11 packages so I can install them with dpkg after booting ... <akk> Yes! It worker! <akk> worked, even :) <akk> now off to the doc's, hopefully with a working Wine ... <MarkDude> Pics of cats dressed as the Beefy Miracle https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150340059858805&set=a.10150340058633805.366787.717333804&type=3 <pleia2> shipped the banner and tablecloth from canonical down to Darkwing today, even if they don't use it for libertopia it'll be down there for scale <nhaines> \o/ <nhaines> I need to start thinking about getting a banner made for Ubucon. <Darkwing> whooo! <Darkwing> Wonder how long it takes launchpad to change email forwards. <iheartubuntu> ugggh... someone is going on a spending spree with my cc accounts :| <nhaines> iheartubuntu: is it you? <iheartubuntu> no :) <iheartubuntu> if it was me i would buy beer <pleia2> lol <nhaines> lol <iheartubuntu> i would buy kegs of beer and then dissappear! <Darkwing> Beer is good. <pleia2> what, we're not invited? <iheartubuntu> i should probably rethink that. im sure there are better things to buy <Darkwing> Like what?! <Darkwing> What could be better then beer?? <iheartubuntu> (no comment) <iheartubuntu> my wifes XP computer was hacked recently. <iheartubuntu> i thought i took care of it, but apparently someone kept going last night <iheartubuntu> $600 at 24hr fitness <iheartubuntu> luckily they walked in to the store in SD <iheartubuntu> so its going to be all on camera <nhaines> iheartubuntu: just let your credit card company know. They'll take care of everything. <nhaines> And fraud prevention probably loves that kind of stuff. <pleia2> how can you spend $600 hours at 24hr fitness? <nhaines> pleia2: they had all day to do it! <iheartubuntu> i did that, filed with FTC, as well as all credit bureaus, etc <pleia2> haha <iheartubuntu> they ordered personal training <nhaines> FTC won't do anything for you. credit bureaus was a good idea. <iheartubuntu> FTC wont do anything, but in case some of the charges dont get fixed i have that as a back up <nhaines> Your card provider won't be out any money. They'll just ask the merchant "Did you ask for ID when you took the card? No? Sorry, we're not paying you then." <nhaines> Even better, the gym won't be out any money because they're only selling services. Also they'll probably have fun letting the cops know the next time the guy comes in. <nhaines> (Why you'd buy a recurring physical service with a stolen card is beyond me.) <iheartubuntu> i was hit last year in europe too. someone when to a bunch of casinos after i purchased something somewhere <iheartubuntu> im surprised the gym doesnt hold any responsibility at all <pleia2> CCs being stolen isn't so bad, debit cards on the other hand... <iheartubuntu> i mean, im what 100+ miles away signing up for membership? <iheartubuntu> seems odd <nhaines> Not that odd. The membership's valid at any location. <pleia2> billing address doesn't have to match your physical address <nhaines> If the gym doesn't get paid by the CC company, in what way do they not hold any responsibility? <Darkwing> I just tell them to look at my body... does it look like I use a gym? :P:P <iheartubuntu> the email receipt doesnt show any difference in address. but it does show the person that took the order as well as the fake sig <iheartubuntu> HAHA <iheartubuntu> whered the duck go? is it coming back? * Darkwing pats his buddah body and goes back to the corner <nhaines> iheartubuntu: nope. By order (or polite request) of Disney. <pleia2> iheartubuntu: disney sent him a nasty letter <iheartubuntu> lifting 40oz is a pretty good work out anyways <pleia2> or polite <pleia2> hehe <iheartubuntu> plus heavy glass <iheartubuntu> thats a few pounds right there <pleia2> Darkwing: terrible argument, I go to a gym and you probably can't tell :) (hi, I love food and beer) * iheartubuntu considers leg lifts with beer mugs as arms are already strong <pleia2> turns out it's hard to lose weight when you eat beer and sausage for dinner, huh <Darkwing> iheartubuntu: No, the Duck is done forever... I got a call from Disney. <iheartubuntu> i cant believe they would actually do anything tho <Darkwing> They asked nicely so, I complied. <Darkwing> I wasn't going to be a dick about it. <nhaines> pleia2: don't I know it! <iheartubuntu> did they comp you some tickets at least? :) <Darkwing> Although, I should offer them darkwingduck.org for a discounted price of... I don't know... 85,000USD :D <iheartubuntu> yah :) that would burn a lot of ubuntu discs for scale10x!!!!! <Darkwing> hehehe <nhaines> Hmm, a company called Astrolabe, Inc. sued the maintainer of the standard time zone database. <nhaines> Astrolabe, Inc. is apparently an astrological company? My corporate firewall blocks the site as being in the category "Non-Traditional Religions and Occult and Folklore", which sounds about right for astrology. * MarkDude is now taking suggestions for his Disney name <MarkDude> for a new nick <MarkDude> Screw that sorta thing <iheartubuntu> EbenizerScrew <MarkDude> Goofy is the 1st name I thought applies <nhaines> That's Dickens. <iheartubuntu> Belle <MarkDude> That would be another porn name for me iheartubuntu <iheartubuntu> exactly :) <MarkDude> In addition to jonny Nicewonger <MarkDude> :D <iheartubuntu> haha <Darkwing> I always thought that Peter Dick Johnson would make a good porn name... <MarkDude> lol * MarkDude has now stolen that <MarkDude> will add the 3rd to it tho <pleia2> enough with the porn names please <pleia2> this really isn't the place <MarkDude> <sigh> of course princess * akk struggles to try to get oneiric to view photos ... wow, it's amazingly difficult <akk> New laptop doesn't work, hardware problem with the touchscreen :( but I'm trying to at least see what the screen looks like for photos * MarkDude apologizes and takes it to channel with more humor allowed <MarkDude> not being snarky, you are right. <pleia2> thanks <MarkDude> this channel should be for ubuntu relevant stuff <MarkDude> Like Jono for example <MarkDude> :D <pleia2> it's not about not allowing humor or off-topic discussion, it's the continuing of a conversation that can inargubly make people uncomfortable <Darkwing> Oops. :) My bad. <nhaines> Holy crap, we actually got oneiric release CD artwork in advance! <nhaines> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing <pleia2> yeah, hooray for paul sladen :) <nhaines> pleia2: srsly! <nhaines> Now if they can get us updated business cards like I filed a bug for in LP, the circle will be complete! <pleia2> I think doctormo put out some new branding cards <pleia2> http://doctormo.org/2010/03/13/new-business-card/ <pleia2> and links to some others <pleia2> of course only one link actually works <broder> huh, the concentric logo thing looks kind of weird * pleia2 subs to bug <nhaines> pleia2: I don't mind saying in the public record that doctormo's business card design is hideous and should not be used by anyone, ever. <pleia2> lol <nhaines> It also doesn't follow the branding guidelines. Jacob Petticord's design is much nicer. Need to see if Ubuntu Mono can enhance the GPG key fingerprint area. <nhaines> I'm working with a folder from Tuesday called 10.04 and I keep closing it because I think it's the lucid image archive on my My Book Live. :( * akk chuckles at "OSS Research Help Needed (enter Drawing for iPad for participating)" <akk> perhaps researchers not entirely clear on the whole "OSS" concept yet? <pleia2> did you read scott richie's reply? <akk> haha, no, I hadn't seen it yet. Excellent! <akk> I don't have philosophical objections, so much as "could I actually use this thing and sync it with my linux boxes?" <akk> (well, okay, a little philosophical objection too, but if someone gave me one free I'd play with it) <nhaines> akk: haha, that's my stance, too. <nhaines> Dear lazyIRC: is there a way to make VLC play mono sound files on both the right and left channels or am I simply going to go insane? <nhaines> Well, added "A whole new world. A whole new computer." to my Ubuntu Hour flyer, plus 2011 dates, and will post at Panera tonight. :D <nhaines> Just a quick change, but it'll buy me some time. http://ubuntuone.com/7OYvrMkh2oo4dy8Ok4rykU <pleia2> boo, 503 error <nhaines> pleia2: it just means you have more time for other things. :) <pleia2> oh right, like work <nhaines> Are we not doing a release candidate today after all? <pleia2> oh whoa, it's thursday <nhaines> pleia2: in UTC it's Friday. :) <pleia2> nhaines: not yet! <pleia2> only 23:12 :) <pleia2> Thu Oct 6 23:12:43 UTC 2011 <nhaines> Oh bother, I'm used to CEST! <pleia2> they have 47 minutes <pleia2> :) <nhaines> Well they'd better hurry. I owe at least one CD to a person at Ubuntu Hour in 1:46 hours! <pleia2> the daily two days ago was solid <pleia2> (didn't try yesterday) <nhaines> He's going to get today's. <nhaines> (At this rate! :)) * pleia2 nods <MarkDude> https://www.facebook.com/pages/East-Bay-Mini-Maker-Faire/116582681692841?sk=info <MarkDude> Sun 16th <nhaines> Is it RC yet? #ubuntu-us-ca 2011-10-07 <nhaines> NOTE TO CANONICAL RELEASE TEAM: I've just burned the Oneiric daily CD, so it's okay to put the Release Candidate up now. <Darkwing> :D <nhaines> Who can we harass about this when it doesn't happen, anyway? <nhaines> And by harrass I mean "gently remind." <Darkwing> :D <Darkwing> Kate Stewart. <nhaines> Probably. <nhaines> If she's smart, she stays off IRC though. :) <pleia2> received our copies of the official ubuntu book :) <Darkwing> How many copies? <pleia2> 2 copies for the team! and a copy of ubuntu unleased too (I asked for it) <Darkwing> Woot! <Darkwing> I have a few copies of Ubuntu for Non-Geeks <pleia2> I'll bring one copy down to scale, and my copy of the last edition of the official ubuntu book (been meaning to get rid of it) <Darkwing> That should be fun. * pleia2 will probably end up with a full suitcase of stuff to bring down again <pleia2> speaking of which, need to pack for philly now <Darkwing> LOL If you want, I can send up some money and you can mail some stuff down. <Darkwing> So, you're not too full. <pleia2> no worries, I get free baggage with star alliance <pleia2> I'll just make mjoseph carry it <pleia2> <3 <Darkwing> LOL epic idea. :) <pleia2> ok, packing now for real <Darkwing> Have fun! <Darkwing> This is a pain. <Darkwing> Why is the android server where they keep the SDK updates and APIs so ssllooww? <nhaines> Darkwing: because people like you keep refreshing trying to get the Ice Cream Sandwich update as soon as it comes out! <Darkwing> LOL No, I'm actually reinstalling the development. <Darkwing> I just got a new Laptop with a SSD so, I'm getting things back together. <nhaines> dd? <Darkwing> dd? <nhaines> akk: if you had a new computer, would you set it up using dd? <Darkwing> Oh yeah, dd... Normally I would but, I had to change a few things <Darkwing> Esp after that dang call from Disney <akk> dd how? Of an old filesystem to the new disk? <nhaines> akk: yup. <akk> I've had trouble with that -- I don't do it, I use rsync instead. <akk> or cp -a <nhaines> Ooh, rsync. <akk> nhaines: Here's what I do when copying a distro before upgrading one of the copies. http://www.shallowsky.com/blog/linux/install/upgrading-without-risk.html <akk> Copying to a new machine is pretty much the same. <akk> With my new laptop (assuming Dell succeeds in fixing the broken touchscreen :( ) I plan to install a minimal debian, then use scp -a or rsync -av to copy from the old laptop. <Darkwing> This is my first dell after several Lenovo laptops. I actually like it. <akk> Mine isn't usable because the touchscreen is constantly sending spurious events. <Darkwing> :( I bought a Vostro V13 <akk> Looks nice! Mine's a Latitude 2120. <Darkwing> I bought it because of the size. Heh... Remember by behemoth that I had at the last SCaLE? <Darkwing> s/by/my/ <akk> I don't think I saw it ... we only crossed paths so briefly, just as you were leaving. <akk> Small light laptops rule. <Darkwing> Ahhh right. <Darkwing> Yeah, and it has a full size keyboard and while the 13in screen is smaller then the 17in I had before... the fact that it is 3.3lbs and 0.6in thick closed makes if very very nice to move around with. <Darkwing> all the perks as a netbook without the limitations <akk> Mine's lighter :) <Darkwing> :D
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