#ubuntu-motu 2005-08-01 <\sh> SloMo_: no...imms <SloMo_> ok, thanks... i'll look at it now <SloMo_> hmm, what would i give now for a ssh login on some amd64 machine :( is someone on amd64 here who has some time to test a few changes to this package? <dholbach> SloMo_: eris built on all 4 architectures <\sh> amd64 machine? yes there was something <\sh> Mithrandir: ping u got my mail? :) <SloMo_> dholbach: yeah this was why i asked ;) * ajmitch has a powerpc box to build on now, if he has the patience :) <ajmitch> I don't think a 400MHz G3 is going to fly <SloMo_> \sh: can you look at imms then? ;) btw, what are you asking Mithrandir to do for you? <\sh> SloMo_: tomorrow morning as my first duty :) <\sh> ok...time for me to go to bed.. <\sh> tomorrow more :) <SloMo_> ok, gn8 \sh :) <\sh> and thx again to all of you :) <dholbach> bye sh :) <SloMo_> hmm... now i've something to upload and have to wait for my key to be added ;) does someone wants to upload it for me? <dholbach> hey crimsun <Nafallo> ogra: ping <crimsun> hey dholbach <ogra> Nafallo, ? <Nafallo> ogra: didn't you fix dput to default to ubuntu? making some of the stuff on wiki.u.c/Uploads irrelevant? :-) <ogra> Nafallo, yep <Nafallo> ogra: nice. I'm glad I have some sort of memory ;-) <ogra> Nafallo, but you never know if someone misses the merge stuff and just syncs, so dont delete it completely <ogra> i.e. overrides my changes to dput and pulls the plain debian version in <ogra> but feel free to correct the page ;) <Nafallo> ogra: naah, I'm just to lazy to edit things. so I probably do not edit the wiki either ;-) <ogra> :) <Nafallo> I will probably be to most lazy MOTU yet ;-) <dholbach> Nafallo: that's a tough competition :/ <ajmitch> Nafallo: get in line! ;) <Nafallo> dholbach: well, you got IRL-stuff going on ;-) <Nafallo> ajmitch: and you got debian :-P * ajmitch is one of the laziest.. <Nafallo> I got Ubuntu :-) <dholbach> ajmitch: not at all <Nafallo> and porn-torrents ;-) <ajmitch> yay, new server for work might be debian <dholbach> ajmitch: we have quite a lot of motus on the list that never did more than 1-2 uploads themselves <ajmitch> for a few weeks I didn't do any * dholbach adds an "at all" to his previous sentence <ajmitch> I've got a lot of catching up to do ;) <pete> Hi all :) could someone answer my question on this bug, please :-) http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11613 <SloMo_> pete: i would incorporate the patch <pete> SloMo_: ok, thanks <ajmitch> it should be in debian soon, and we can fix up changes next time round <ajmitch> so long as it builds now :) <pete> hmm.. but after setting the bug-state to NEEDINFO I can't set it to PENDING, what should I do? <SloMo_> pete: maybe reassign to you and then set to pending <SloMo_> pete: but don't know whether this works ;) <pete> SloMo_: it did :P <Mez> pete, do you have Editbugs <Mez> grr <Mez> brb <ajmitch> should I get wxwidgets 2.6 dragged in from experimental? <crimsun> I asked already, doko has it covered <crimsun> he wants it in main <crimsun> which is fine by me, cos then I can build vlc against it :) <tseng> rock on <tseng> it would be nice to have another decent video player <ajmitch> crimsun: wonderful <ajmitch> crimsun: that'll let me get boa constructor 0.4.0 in, instead of merging for 0.3.0 * ajmitch will have to fix his own wx-dependant packages though <crimsun> yep, been waiting for wxwidgets2.6.1 forever =) <ajmitch> gnue-designer doesn't like it, last I saw <ajmitch> but I'll bug uptream mercilessly <lamont> GC.c:83: error: static declaration of 'static_objects' follows non-static declaration <lamont> ../includes/Storage.h:408: error: previous declaration of 'static_objects' was here <lamont> someone want to really make ghc6 actually compile with gcc-4.0 while I go to class for a while??? * lamont looks signficantly at siretart <Mez> siretart, ping <Tonio> little question concerning the licence in the copyright folder in a package <tseng> Lathiat: <tseng> Lathiat:s:f:g <Tonio> supposing the licence is GPL, do I just have to paste the gpl licence . <tseng> i typed l: <Tonio> ? <Lathiat> tseng: well uh <Lathiat> tseng: yourou have somethign sucky somewhere <tseng> Lathiat: like a regex <tseng> l:s:f:g <tseng> rock on. <Lathiat> tseng: :) <SloMo_> gn8 everybody :) <bddebian> Gnight SloMo_ <tseng> \sh_away: interested in checking out mythtv? looks like C++ vs gcc4 issue to me <tseng> \sh_away: on my latest test build <ajmitch> hey tseng <tseng> hi <tseng> im updating my desktop to breezy <tseng> for kicks <ajmitch> lovely <ajmitch> I think there's still X breakage <tseng> i know the gorey details <tseng> ive been runny breezy on my laptop (main machine) since it opened <Burgundavia> actually, the people that updated early (like myself), seem to have a better time of it <tseng> meh <ajmitch> Burgundavia: yeah, I haven't shut down my X server for a few weeks <ajmitch> so things still run for me <chillywilly> hi ajmitch <ajmitch> hello chillywilly <tseng> i havent had X break badly enough yet that i couldnt fix <tseng> and i update every day <tseng> you guys just arent persistant enough <ajmitch> xlibs still fails with /etc/X11/xkb stuff here <tseng> or you want to press funnny keys on non-US keyboards <ajmitch> again <Burgundavia> I have only had X not start once <tseng> ajmitch: dude i fixed that by hand days ago <ajmitch> tseng: congratulations <tseng> ill fix it again <ajmitch> I've done that once, first time it broke <bddebian> Yeah ajmitch :-) <tseng> no big deal <tseng> damn naysayers <chillywilly> settle down fellas <tseng> dude * bddebian boots chillywilly <chillywilly> don't make we whip the trout out <bddebian> heh <chillywilly> I'll do it ;) <ajmitch> you have the right to make jokes in here only after you've got a few packages uploaded <bddebian> Hmm, does that include me too? <chillywilly> pffft <chillywilly> ajmitch: you need to loosen up some <bddebian> chillywilly: Don't work, tseng hates me too :-) <bddebian> Err s/work/worry * chillywilly is not effected in the least bit <chillywilly> but I *thought* ajmitchie was my buddy <bddebian> :-) <chillywilly> we go back a long way ;) <chillywilly> I remember when ajmitchie used to run mandrake ;) <ajmitch> that was a long time ago <bddebian> haha <bddebian> Mandark <ajmitch> I don't admit to that anymore <chillywilly> lol <tseng> oh man <Burgundavia> ajmitch, I ran into a nasty bug with networkmanager and X being dead <bddebian> chillywilly is probably the only person in here who has a chance of knowing who Mandark is.. ;-P <ajmitch> Burgundavia: I haven't used networkmanager yet <Burgundavia> ajmitch, nm kills networking without the whole thing running (which requires X) <Burgundavia> so I couldn't update anything * chillywilly is trying to get samba to allow network browsing across an openvpn tunnel via WINS <bddebian> Ugh, why? <chillywilly> I am building a VPN for MX <chillywilly> I thought it would be fun ;) <ajmitch> chillywilly: so when will you be helping out with motu work? :) <chillywilly> hey Ic an ping the end-points of the tunnel and hosts in each private subnet...just gotta get samba to cooperate <chillywilly> *sigh* <bddebian> chillywilly: Which side is wins on or are you trying to make Samba the WINS? <chillywilly> ajmitch: hey, I at least have a vague idea of how it's al done now :) <chillywilly> all* <ajmitch> chillywilly: great, you can start fixing stuff then <bddebian> ajmitch is a slave driver <tseng> yes plz <chillywilly> bddebian: the openvpn server end of the tunnel is the WINS server now <chillywilly> 636-721-3251 or some such <tseng> *then* you can give me crap about trout <bddebian> chillywilly: Are you getting name resolution at all? <chillywilly> bddebian: nope <chillywilly> not across the tunnel <chillywilly> think I will read through the howto book anyway <bddebian> Add a hosts entry ;-P <chillywilly> yea I suppose I could do that, but should I have to? <chillywilly> I only have wins in the resolve line <ajmitch> ah, snacc has a nice big diff.. <bddebian> WINS can be problematic across routers. You'd be better off with dns or hosts <chillywilly> bah * bddebian thinks daniels hates him too <crimsun> nah, he's probably strangling xorg <bddebian> :-) <ajmitch> bddebian: I added a comment about dropping all ubuntu changes to hardware-monitr, if you don't mind :) <tritium> hello all <bddebian> Of course it probably doesn't help that I am annoying.. :-) <tseng> hi <bddebian> ajmitch: Isn't that what I said in my comment? <bddebian> Hello again tritium :-) <chillywilly> I don't think it wants to use the tunnel because it is not a broadcast interface <ajmitch> bddebian: no, you said that the ubuntu dropped parts can be ignored <ajmitch> I'm saying that it can be a straight sync, drop all ubuntu changes <bddebian> Ooohh <ajmitch> minimising changes is good, it means we don't have to sync it next time round :) <tritium> bddebian, want to give me a tutorial on merging? From today's meeting where you got recognition for it, I figure you're good at it :) <bddebian> tritium: Nah, I suck :-) <bddebian> tritium: Whatdo you want to know? ( I keep meaning to put up a wiki ) <bddebian> tseng: What is the packagename for mythtv? <tritium> bddebian, teach me everything you know, master jedi * ajmitch has a script or two to streamline merging <tritium> I've been gone so long, I want the Merging 101 with illustrations course <ajmitch> tritium: grab merge files from MOM, read REPORT, do as it says ;) <tseng> bddebian: mythtv? <crimsun> the REPORT's fairly useful <tritium> ajmitch, many thanks. Please tell me what your scripts do? <ajmitch> check that it builds, works as intended, and that unwanted changes haven't crept in <ajmitch> tritium: just some things to run wget, put the files in a new directory <ajmitch> and a script to get a list of changed packages with regards to sid * ajmitch takesa look at oregano <tritium> are you making them available? <havoc> mmm, oregano <ajmitch> no, a 3 line shell script isn't something I'd normally think to publish :) <chillywilly> hey havoc <tritium> ajmitch, okay ;) <ajmitch> tritium: mkdir, cd, and wget don't make for interesting reading <tritium> fair enough <bddebian> tseng: apt-get source myth-tv yeilds nothing <tseng> i didnt say myth-tv <tseng> not once. <ajmitch> tritium: some packages you may wish to merge changes by hand instead of relying on MOM <bddebian> I meant mythtv, that was a typo <ajmitch> especially when it's useless config.* changes <tseng> well, its there <ajmitch> bddebian: look in multiverse kthx <bddebian> I should have universe/multiverse <tritium> ajmitch, okay, thanks. Let me orient myself a bit here... <bddebian> tritium: Sorry, ajmitch is obviously faster than me.. :-) <ajmitch> bddebian: good, because it's there, under the name of mythtv <tritium> bddebian, no problem <bddebian> Bah, why am I bother with shit in multiverse? :-) <bddebian> Hey mythtv_0.18.2 whatya know.. :-) * ajmitch is suprised that bddebian is still here - weren't you told not to associate with ubuntu? ;) <bddebian> ajmitch: Oh, I should show you his reply <bddebian> brb.. smoke <ajmitch> was it a private mail? <chillywilly> who told him not to associate with ubuntu? <ajmitch> RMS, of course :) <chillywilly> are you serious?!? <ajmitch> ubuntu distributes non-free software <chillywilly> so does everyone else <crimsun> brb <bddebian> ack, why is mythtv using gcc-3.3...?? <tseng> so after all that <tseng> X still cant find fixed <tseng> wtf <tseng> fixed the font paths <tseng> what was the fix for that? <bddebian> Why does common.h fail on lines 61 and 65 and not 63. Makes no sense.. <bddebian> Ohh, nm <bddebian> tseng: Why not pull the newer version from upstream? <bddebian> Because of UVF? <tseng> the newer version only has small fixes <tseng> we can proabbly get it approved <tseng> if it started building <tseng> BWAR you made me miss grub <bddebian> Supposedly if has gcc4 fixes according to a Fedora mailing list <tseng> hm <tseng> can you test it ? <bddebian> Sure but building packages from scratch isn't exaclty my strong suite yet :-) <tseng> the build at least, i can test using it <tseng> dude its not "from scratch" <bddebian> Well I mean from upstream source :-) <tseng> meh <ajmitch> yeah, we need hct, it sounds like good crack <ajmitch> might make some of this merging a bit saner <bddebian> hct? <bddebian> tseng: Trying now <ajmitch> hypothetical changeset tool <bddebian> Ahh <bddebian> Speaking of which, is debdiff fixed in main yet? * ajmitch shrugs <bddebian> Nope.. :-) <bddebian> Damn mythtv is as bad or worse than octave <bddebian> tseng: Do you know if mythplugins and myththemes are built into the current package? <crimsun> wow <crimsun> these Xfce-related ones will disappear once 4.2.2 from os-works is merged <bddebian> Glad I didn't start on those yet then :) <crimsun> yeah, we need to merge them from os-works, so you'll want to ignore the xf* ones <crimsun> bbl <bddebian> tseng: Dunno if you are still around or not but the updates from svn for mythtv get ALOT further. Now it chokes on a missing class declaration in libmpeg (I think) <bddebian> If a merged package FTBFS due to missing dependency, what should I tag it as? UPSTREAM? * bddebian loves this channel this time of night.. :-) <Tonio> someone out there ? <bddebian> Nope :) <Tonio> lol <Tonio> bddebian: can you revue packages ? because I think all the problems in my packages are resolved, but before uploading everything, I'd just like to see if it seems correct ;) <bddebian> Whassup? Not that I can help but I'll try <bddebian> Tonio: No, I'm not an MOTU, sorry <Tonio> okay ;) <Tonio> I'll start the upgrade and we'll see ;) <bddebian> Good luck :-) <ajmitch> looks like you have a good list of merge bugs there bddebian ;) <bddebian> like anyone cares.. :'-( <bddebian> ;-P <ajmitch> bah, stop whining :P <bddebian> OK, the ubuntu dropped patches for caudium are just weird * ajmitch takes a look at libccaudio <crimsun> caudium was pretty crazy <bddebian> And ignoring those, caudium wants pike7.6-dev (>= 7.6.27-2) and we have 7.6.24-1ubuntu1 <crimsun> yup, the whole pike7.x mess <bddebian> So leave it for now? <crimsun> go for it if you'd like <bddebian> How would I get around the pike build-dep? <bddebian> Lower the dep and try it or try to get a newer pike from Debian? <crimsun> the best bet is to try with the newest pike7.6 from Debian * ajmitch does some patch cleaning <ajmitch> copy & paste of patch doesn't work too well at times :) <chillywilly> lalala <bddebian> chillywilly: Is that some new package you are building? * bddebian hides <ajmitch> yes, very useful, chillywilly :P <chillywilly> :) <chillywilly> crikey, you guys are relentless <bddebian> chillywilly: :-* <bddebian> ajmitch: What did I do wrong with libccaudio? <ajmitch> bddebian: nothing, I'm about to upload it <bddebian> ajmitch: I thought you said you had to fix it? <bddebian> Welcome ogra and ogra's daemon :-) <Amaranth> he is susus too? <ajmitch> bddebian: I had to clean up the patch that I copied & pasted <bddebian> Hmm, maybe :-) <crimsun> (s)he? <bddebian> ajmitch: Ahh, OK <ajmitch> a simple tabs/spaces issue <Amaranth> crimsun: susus, ogra, and ogra_d are all the same exact hostmask and joined at the same time. <crimsun> Amaranth, yep. Who knows who really lurks behind those nicks? <bddebian> MOM does some weird shit sometimes or we have OLD patches lying around <crimsun> both <bddebian> How can albatros build python2.3-albatross without build-depending python2.3? <tritium> hm, I can't setup a breezy chroot, as it fails with error E: couldn't download libiw27 <tritium> I have a pbuilder chroot setup and ready, but in order to test packages built in pbuilder, I also wanted a separate chroot <bddebian> Build a local apt repository :-) <crimsun> tritium, I've always built a Hoary chroot/pbuilder and dist-upgraded to Breezy <bddebian> Aye, that is what I ended up having to do with pbuilder <tritium> I guess that's a possibility. I held off running breezy, as I wanted stability until I finished my research/dissertation <crimsun> even at the moment, it's not advisable to run full-blown Breezy til Xorg is straightened out <tritium> yeah, that's another reason I was planning on a chroot * ajmitch dreads the uninstallable package list that will appear at some point <ajmitch> it'll make the merge list look trivial <ajmitch> or the FTBFS list when someone decides to rebuild the archive <ajmitch> as happened with hoary <lamont> anyone working on ghc6 source fixes? <bddebian> sistpoty was <bddebian> I think it still needs ghc6-bootstrap to build haskel-utils, but ghc6-bootstrap is on REVU <bddebian> But don't quote me <lamont> well, it's ftbfs because of gcc-4.0 errors... I'm playing with 6.4-4ubuntu1 some now <bddebian> You got around the haskel-utils build-dep? <lamont> uh, well... <lamont> I made libgmp3 exist <crimsun> Z time <chillywilly> bddebian: you better get to bed soon before you end up sleeping on the couch ;) <bddebian> chillywilly: Aye no kidding :-) * chillywilly is hungry again * bddebian hands chillywilly a cheesesteak <bddebian> And the MOTUToMerge list.. * bddebian hides <chillywilly> mmm, cheesesteak * chillywilly is learning about NT domains and what samba can do <chillywilly> such fun... <bddebian> Heh <ajmitch> you poor fellow <jbailey> Hmm <jbailey> What is this, the former Hurd crowd invades #ubunu-motu? =) <bddebian> Heh <bddebian> What do you mean "former" ? ;-) <jbailey> =) <bddebian> Updating dependencies...make[5] : *** [.deps.o] Error 127 WTF is that?? <ajmitch> hey jeff <jbailey> bddebian: A 7-bit all ones? <jbailey> G'm Andrew <ajmitch> how are you? <jbailey> Sleepy. <jbailey> But I've just uplaoded a new initramfs-tools that I want to put out a call for testers for. <jbailey> So I'm waiting until it hits the archive. <lamont> Interpreter.c: In function 'interpretBCO': <lamont> Interpreter.c:1054: error: invalid lvalue in unary '&' <lamont> Interpreter.c:1067: error: invalid lvalue in unary '&' <lamont> Interpreter.c:1080: error: invalid lvalue in unary '&' <lamont> Interpreter.c:1093: error: invalid lvalue in unary '&' * lamont throws ghc6 back to siretart et al. Please don't ask for a bootstrap until you upload something that is gcc-4.0 capable. <lamont> kthxbye <bddebian> Doh * jbailey looks up and realises that lamont isn't larting *him* for a change. <jbailey> Is there an easy way to tell dpkg-source -b to not include .bzr / {arch} / whatever directories in the source? <lamont> jbailey: debuild -i <lamont> er, debuild -i -S :-) <jbailey> lamont: Ooo, thanks. =) <lamont> although it might need some love to know about .bzr <ajmitch> 86 merge bugs still open for us.. * ajmitch will bbiab <bddebian> Shouldn't be.. <jbailey> Hmm. debuild -i.bzr -S didn't do it. <lamont> -i doesn't take args <lamont> it just knows <jbailey> Oh> <jbailey> The manpage for dpkg-buildpackage has: <jbailey> -i[<regexp>] <lamont> oh, ok <jbailey> doesn't matter, you could still be right. <jbailey> It's not like it worked. =) <jbailey> Oh, it's for the diff. <jbailey> This is a native package (initramfs-tools) * jbailey hates the distinction and wants it to go away. <lamont> tar --exclude=... :-) <jbailey> I need to create a bzr-buildpackage <Unfrgiven> hi all <tritium> yay, building breezy's debootstrap on hoary worked. I have a breezy chroot now <bddebian> Yeah.. * bddebian dances around tritium <bddebian> Hello Unfrgiven <tritium> heh <bddebian> OK, well I better get to bed. Gnight folks. Enjoy <tritium> good night, bddebian <Unfrgiven> bddebian: gnite <chillywilly> jeffy <siretart> morning <siretart> lamont: I will look more deeply into ghc for gcc4 and report back. <ajmitch> hi siretart <siretart> huhu Andrew * siretart detects increased revu traffic.. :) <Tonio> hi <Unfrgiven> Tonio: hi <Tonio> Unfrgiven: I should have said good night, 8:30 am here in france and still not to bed.... <Unfrgiven> Tonio: you were up the whole night? <Tonio> yep <Tonio> very knew to debian's world, but I really want to learn how to build packages correctly ;) <Tonio> I think now it is okay ^^ <Tonio> well I hope, let's see the revus.... <Unfrgiven> Tonio: cool :) <Unfrgiven> siretart: ping? <ajmitch> hey Unfrgiven , Tonio <Tonio> ajmitch: yep ? <ajmitch> just saying hi.. <Tonio> hey = hi, okay ;) <Tonio> here in france hey is a way to call someone to tell him something so..... * Tonio fills stupid... <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: hey dude <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: how r ya <Tonio> ajmitch: so, hey ;) <siretart> Unfrgiven: bug quick, I need to get to work ;) <ajmitch> doing well, how about you? <siretart> s/bug/but/ <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: how are those intro developer docs going? <siretart> huhu Tonio :) <Tonio> hi siretart ;) <Tonio> siretart: I hope the packages are good this time, cause I spent time.... <siretart> Tonio: I'm currently too busy this week to do reviews, but we have new reviewers: Mez and slomo :) <Tonio> siretart: no pb, I'll see with Riddell too, he told me to tell him when the list is all packaged ;) <siretart> super <siretart> ok. I'm off to uni now. cu later! <Tonio> still 4 apps to finish and I go to bed... <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: sorry was away... about to head off from work <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: ive been away/sick for the last 4 weeks and hence there hasn't been much progress on the docs. i really should wrap them up. ill do what i can to get them out the door asap <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: that's ok, I've been pretty busy too <Burgundavia> Unfrgiven, what format are they in? <Lathiat> yay my box of hoary cds rocked up today <jsgotangco> wow that took a while <Treenaks> mine haven't even been sent yet <Lathiat> yeh well its a shame mine didnt come earlier but oh well <Burgundavia> those who got warty cds got lower priority <Treenaks> Burgundavia: I know <Lathiat> Burgundavia: ah so i should have opened a new account? ;p <Lathiat> well hoary is a kicking release, i can go nuts giving them away now <Burgundavia> yes <Burgundavia> and the release path is going to be easy <Burgundavia> we may care about getting the latest crack, but grandma isn;t <Lathiat> well hoary is pretty good <\sh> morning <Valandil> good morning :)) <Tonio-> good morning! <\sh> SloMo_: ping ;) <comadreja> goor morning motus <comadreja> s/goor/good :D <siretart> re <\sh> doko: ping u need some help with libcurl3? <doko> no, already done <\sh> doko: k <HostingGeek> Could we get this in the ubuntu web site <HostingGeek> http://www.mambocurve.com/ <HostingGeek> some thing like that but way better... <\sh> HostingGeek: #ubuntu-devel <\sh> and I don't like those games...it's not user friendly..and slow <HostingGeek> --- Cannot join #ubuntu-devel (You are banned). <HostingGeek> hmm <\sh> HostingGeek: what did u do? <HostingGeek> \sh: I have been banned from every channel bob2 has been an OP in for the past few years <Burgundavia> I need an ftp that needs login to test a bug, anybody got one that I can test? <\sh> Burgundavia: u need a ftp account with userlogin? <\sh> Burgundavia: give me 3 mins <ajmitch> sigh, I wish this scanner would just work :) <Burgundavia> \sh, cheers <Burgundavia> \sh, you running breezy> <\sh> burgundavia: on the server is hoary <Burgundavia> need breezy nautilus to test this bug * ajmitch likes those packages where the debian maintainer merged in the changes from ubuntu <ajmitch> but what should I set it as in bugzilla? <jan1> anybody running the latest xorg (-43) ? <Burgundavia> yes <jan1> apt-cache show xbase-clients <jan1> gives me the -42 version <\sh> is the latest <\sh> correct <jan1> and the package it empty except some docs <\sh> it's purpose until daniels fix xorg <jan1> so I gt no startx and other commands <jan1> what gives dpkg -S startx for you? <tseng> there is not startx <tseng> you arent going to find it. <\sh> same applies to the spoon <jan1> obsoleted, or just MIA at the moment? <tseng> ^^" until daniels fix xorg <\sh> DIA is a better abbrev. <jan1> so how do you guys run X right now? <\sh> kdm is just fine <\sh> with some tricks <jan1> ok thanks <JRe> Anyone know who is Anthony Mercatante ? <ajmitch> I just don't shutdown the running X server <ajmitch> X forwarding to other hosts has broken now though :) <siretart> JRe: I think that could be Tonio <JRe> siretart: okay you're right i think it is =) thanks! <ogra> ajmitch, use ssh :) <\sh> i have to switch to gnome for some tests <\sh> brb <Mez> I prob wont be here for review day tomorrow <Mez> so doing some now <siretart> Mez: ping <Mez> siretart: pong <Mez> sup? <ajmitch> ogra: as I said, ssh x forwarding didn't work.. :) <ogra> oh <ajmitch> xauth is missing <ajmitch> so I used 'scanimage' to get what I needed <ogra> i thougt that was solved... hmm <siretart> Mez: I'd like to request wifi-radar to be backported, as soon as it hits breezy (needing only one more review in revu, irrc) <siretart> iirc, even <siretart> Mez: would that be possible? * ajmitch ought to check it off in revu.. thought I did ages ago <Mez> siretart : we can try <Mez> though looking at it <ogra> ajmitch, fabbione has a single xauth binary on p.u.c, grab that, copy it to /usr/bin and make it executable <Mez> IT's only had one person advocate it <ajmitch> ogra: ok.. <\sh> Mithrandir: ping <Mez> hmm <Mez> in REVU someone has <Mez> Debian packager: <Mez> Copyright 2005 Jean-Remy Falleri <djennings@example.org> <Mez> in the debian/copyright <Mez> I dont think that should be there ... <Mez> or is it allowed <Mez> it's questionable whether you can copyright the creation of a package or not <Mez> as it's done through dh_make <JRe> Mez: i took exemple on a debian package <Mez> JRe, I'm sure you did, I'm just not sure if it's right * ogra wouldnt mess with existing copyright entrys if they were already in te package <Mez> ogra: it's a new package <ogra> ah <Mez> I'm just wondering if it should be there... copyrighting the "package" <ajmitch> probably not <ogra> Mez, normally the first line in the copyright file tells you about the packager, that should be sufficient <Mez> there you go JRe. .. :D <ogra> This package was debianized by ... on <ogra> Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:54:43 +0200. <Mez> other than that the package looks fine <JRe> ok 'ill cut out the copyright <Mez> :D <Mez> and reupload and I'll advocate :D <JRe> :) * Mez kills off half of REVU <Mez> :D <Mez> lol <Mez> (well archives them :P) <ajmitch> Mez: why so many archived? :) <Mez> cause they need work,m and wont get 3 advocates <Mez> under siretart's instructions :D <SloMo_> Mez: can you request a gkrellm backport? :) this was asked months ago in the forums and now we finally have the new version in breezy <SloMo_> \sh: pong <Mez> SloMo_, i can try <\sh> SloMo_: imms? <SloMo_> \sh: yes... have you looked at it on amd64? ;) <\sh> SloMo_: i don't have an reactivated account right now :( <SloMo_> \sh: hm :( and i can't fix it without an amd64 machine... <SloMo_> \sh: btw, you fixed grip on amd64... seems like a similar error ;) maybe X on amd64 is more broken than on other architectures? <\sh> no..grip is not fixed <ajmitch> time for sleep, night all <\sh> libXrender.la issues again...and it should not occure <\sh> but only on this arch <\sh> trying to fix fbi now <\sh> peter grundstrom? <\sh> djennings@example.org? <\sh> here? <\sh> pete: ping <\sh> :) <Amaranth> idle 3 hours <\sh> yeah <\sh> hope he's reading bugzilla mails from ubuntu ;) <pete> \sh: yes I'm here <\sh> pete: the patch for package X ;-) please provide the patch <\sh> for gcc4 <\sh> and please build the packages via pbuilder to test...qiv was missing a dpatch build-dep <pete> \sh: the gcc patch is there "new merge patch with gcc4.0 fix" <\sh> pete: so it's included already...so I didn't catch your comment correctly..sorry for that <pete> \sh: the merge-patch for qiv makes it build-depend on dpatch <\sh> pete: provide debdiffs ;) <pete> \sh: and I do build the packages in pbuilder to test <\sh> it's easier for us then :) <bddebian> Howdy <tritium> Good morning, bddebian <bddebian> Heya tritium, how goes it? <tritium> Not bad, you? <bddebian> \sh: Hey, I swore I put python2.3, dia, tetex-*, etc in that diff. I even had to go back in and hack it manually..??? <bddebian> tritium: Fair to midland I suppose <tritium> that's a good start, I suppose ;) <\sh> bddebian: the patch wasn't really working..dunno why...anyways..the rest was fine <bddebian> \sh: No worries. I was getting a little late so who knows.. :-) <bddebian> tseng: ping? <bddebian> lamont: ping? <pete> \sh: the debdiff became identical with my other patch, why didn't that one do? <\sh> pete: sorry...I didn't see the debdiff..*grrrbangingmouseonthedesk* <\sh> pete: but anyways <\sh> * Resynchronise with Debian. * Added dpatch to build-deps * Sponsored for Peter Grundstroem (Closes Ubuntu: #11142) <bddebian> Holy moly, could vlc possibly have any more build-deps??? Sheesh. <Amaranth> hahaha <Amaranth> did you sync with sid? <bddebian> Amaranth: Me? <Amaranth> anyone <Amaranth> and what happened to us getting wxwidgets2.6? <bddebian> lamont__: What were you saying last night about ghc6-bootstrap not buidling on gcc4? Is that the one posted on REVU? <lamont__> bddebian: source in the archive... there is no other <siretart> bddebian: he meant ghc6 in the archive <lamont__> bddebian: and yes, I meant ghc6, not ghc6-bootstrap <bddebian> Ohh, sorry <bddebian> We don't have libwxgtk2.5-dev ?? <Amaranth> no <Amaranth> it got removed just like it did in debian <bddebian> But we have libwxgtk2.5.3!!?? * bddebian is confused <Amaranth> no we don't <bddebian> It shows up for me <\sh> we don't have <\sh> latest package is 2.4 <Amaranth> i think array 7 was the last to have it <bddebian> Shix, and here I am wasting all this time on VLC.. :'-( <\sh> doko: will u include libwxgtk2.6 in breezy? <\sh> bddebian: u don't read #ubuntu-devel, right? <\sh> bddebian: yesterday I had this problem with xchm..their was a source package with libwxgtk2.5 in the queue in dep-wait..and I uploaded with 2.4 to build... <bddebian> \sh: No I don't. SHould I? :-) <\sh> bddebian: why not :) <doko> \sh: it's proposed <bddebian> Because I'm not an ubuntu developer? :-) <\sh> bddebian: excuses excuses <Nafallo> bddebian: what are you then? MOTUs are as much Ubuntu Developers like those hired. <Nafallo> bddebian: and you are walking that path :-) <bddebian> Nafallo: I'm not an MOTU :-) <Nafallo> bddebian: ... yet <\sh> bah..every single time I hear this "I'm not an motu" MOTU is not a status for being a djennings@example.org... <bddebian> I know, I didn't say that :-) <\sh> < bddebian> Nafallo: I'm not an MOTU :-) <\sh> 17:02 < bddebian> Because I'm not an ubuntu developer? :-) <bddebian> \sh: Those are factual. I am neither :-) <Nafallo> bddebian: there are developers working on Ubuntu that are neither hired, nor MOTUs too. :-) <Nafallo> most of those are hopefully struggling to become MOTUs though ;-) <bddebian> I am sure that there are. * \sh is no developer ... only a stupid sysadmin <bddebian> \sh: My point exactly. And I barely consider myself a sysadmin when it comes to *nix platforms ;) <Nafallo> \sh: so you haven't really made that kde-torrent thing then? :-) <\sh> I would never consider myself a windows admin ,-) <\sh> Nafallo: actually...I'm trying to find the time for this goody <bddebian> So I may as well not bother with vlc or should I try with libwxgtk2.4 ? <\sh> I think in between breezy and breezy+1 <\sh> bddebian: yes <bddebian> Uhm, yes to which? :-) <\sh> libwxgtk2.4 <bddebian> OK, thx <\sh> I would never say no to "don't bother with vlc" <\sh> what did I say now? I need to find the logic <Amaranth> users will smite you <Nafallo> hmm, OT-question. how many gerbils shall me and my girlie have? ;-) <bddebian> Uhhh <Amaranth> i tried getting vlc 0.8.2 from sid running with wxwidgets2.6 but vlc's ./configure was being a pest <ogra> Nafallo, do you want a vote ? write a wikipage please ;) <bddebian> Amaranth: So you are working on this? <\sh> gerbils? <Amaranth> bddebian: not anymore, no <ogra> we can post this in #ubuntu .... to get more opinions... <\sh> dict:gerbils <bddebian> Amaranth: But you are saying don't try it with 2.4? <\sh> !ogra gerbils <Amaranth> bddebian: go ahead, i gave up waiting for 2.6 <Nafallo> ogra: naah. we just can't decide if we shall buy the one we bought todays brother or not :-). he looked so damn lonely... <ogra> \sh, use your imagination <Amaranth> yeah, i only tried with 2.6 <SloMo_> Nafallo: what about two then? ;) <Nafallo> SloMo_: we got two :-) * bddebian jumps off the cliff aaaaaayyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee <\sh> ogra: babies <Nafallo> SloMo_: we ponders three ;-) <bddebian> Nafallo: 2 or 4 trust me. :-) I have 3 ;-P <Nafallo> Mithrandir and Simira has 3 now :-) <Nafallo> aswell. <Nafallo> \sh: naah. look up gerbil instead ;-) <Amaranth> 2 is 3 too many <SloMo_> bddebian: yeah... better two pairs than one pair and one loner ;) <\sh> lol <bddebian> SloMo_: Aye, exactly :-) <Nafallo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerbil <Nafallo> :-) <ogra> \sh, but it could be a baby replacement :) <\sh> *click* as I said: babies..make babies <\sh> wuestenrennmaeuse <- gerbil <\sh> oh god <\sh> I don't have even a desert for those mice <ogra> Nafallo, how about a kitten... i'll have a handfull soon... my male cat showed us last week that it is not djennings@example.org.... <\sh> *rotflbtc* <SloMo_> \sh: lol... i'm afraid nafallo hasn't one too... i don't know of any deserts in sweden ;) <\sh> ogra: this u can see normally * ogra thinks he should probably see an optician soon <Nafallo> hehe <\sh> ogra: u know..there is a small but noticable difference between a male or female cat ,-) <ogra> \sh, yes... the males are the ones on top ;) <bddebian> hahaha <Nafallo> ogra: you're not laying _on top_ of the cat now, are you? <\sh> ogra: u should have known it by heart...if the cat wants to (you know) it comes all the time to a male..even when he's human ;-) <ogra> \sh, to many male cats around here... i just havent seen her for some days .... then she came back with her friend and showed us she's no boy :) <\sh> totally OT but funny...ogras male cat is a female...but u didn't bought it from a brazilian dealer, right? *lol* <ogra> Nafallo, heh, nope * \sh is doing some work... <ogra> \sh, hmmm... you mean its a brazilian conspiration that cats change their sex ? <bddebian> WTF is libpostproc-dev?? <\sh> ogra: yes :) <\sh> it must be ;) <Nafallo> bddebian: a lib with develstuff I would guess :-)? <bddebian> WOW, thanks man :-) <bddebian> And we don't have it and vlc wants it <SloMo_> bddebian: libpostproc is either a mplayer or a transcode lib ;) * bddebian drops working on vlc <Nafallo> bddebian: we have it btw <Nafallo> bddebian: it's in multiverse <\sh> Package: ffmpeg <\sh> Binary: libavformat-dev, libavcodec-dev, libpostproc-dev, ffmpeg <bddebian> Nafallo: I can't get it <\sh> or this one <tseng> bddebian: ? <\sh> Package: mplayer-libpostproc <\sh> Binary: libpostproc0, libpostproc-dev <\sh> apt-cache showsrc libpostproc-dev <\sh> gives u all alternatives <bddebian> Oh shit, I don't have multiverse set back up in my pbuilder.. Grrr <\sh> use the one from main pls <bddebian> tseng: Did you get my "notes" about mythtv last night <bddebian> \sh: Use what from main? <tseng> bddebian: eh, using svn isnt really an option <tseng> bddebian: or, more of a last option <bddebian> tseng: Why? <whiprush> tseng: hey. <\sh> 17:33 < \sh> Package: ffmpeg <\sh> 17:33 < \sh> Binary: libavformat-dev, libavcodec-dev, libpostproc-dev, ffmpeg <tseng> because mythtv development isnt that stable <tseng> aiui <\sh> bddebian: the libpostproc-dev <tseng> whiprush: hi <whiprush> tseng: novell has a public ifolder that you can get an account on. <whiprush> I signed up and it's all working as advertised. <tseng> hrm <tseng> i dont have time to do all the packaging <tseng> its huge <bddebian> tseng: mythtv? <tseng> ifolder <tseng> comeon <bddebian> I can't keep up <tseng> im in 11 channels <tseng> you can keep up with one :) <bddebian> Well I have only 10 so you got me there <\sh> np: The Pretenders - Ill Stand by You (1:10 / 0:00) <bddebian> Man and WOman or whatever the title is, is the best Pretenders song <\sh> is monotone a mono app?? <tseng> no <tseng> its a RCS <\sh> good ;) <\sh> bah..it's using libboost *shrugs* <tseng> hey <tseng> i transitioned liboost in hoary <tseng> *shudder* <\sh> I transed it to gcc4 <\sh> or better I patched it to work with gcc4 <\sh> and now...monotone throws errors...4.3MB of raw source <\sh> lets see what I can do <whiprush> tseng: would you have time to review it you think? <SloMo_> hmm, finally merged openscenegraph ;) really disturbing when the package needs half an hour to compile... <tseng> whiprush: review what? <whiprush> ifolder, if I were to package it up? <whiprush> for correctness I mean. <tseng> ifolder garbage parts 1-32? <whiprush> heh <tseng> ok <SloMo_> whiprush: i can also review it for you ;) <tseng> slomo is good <whiprush> okey <tseng> where is my policy <tseng> http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/cli-policy/index.html <tseng> you need this. <whiprush> okey <tseng> i am doing evil stuff at work <tseng> its very draining <bddebian> Probably not as Evil as I :-) <tseng> ever hacked credit card systems? <bddebian> Ohh, not quite THAT evil :-) <whiprush> my best friend works at a credit card processing firm <tseng> whiprush: he's me <whiprush> I feel your pain then <tseng> bddebian: hm, i work for the company <tseng> its not evil in that scense <tseng> we do fake requests to verify things are working <bddebian> Cool <tseng> the systems are very archaic <the--dud> hi folks <bddebian> COBOL on VMS? ;-) <bddebian> Hello the--dud <tseng> eh <tseng> you dialup to it <bddebian> Ohh <the--dud> I don't suppose any MOTU guy wanna 'adopt' my http://nix-dev.dudcore.net/CurrProjects/NetselectAptUbuntu <tseng> and send a string of characters <the--dud> ? <tseng> every vendor has their own spec <Amaranth> tseng: I was trying to get one of those stupid machines to work at a restaurant once. <the--dud> *_* <Amaranth> tseng: No one realized they couldn't be on that phone line talking if they wanted to CC machine to work. :) <the--dud> noone? <\sh> the--dud: package it..upload it to revu <the--dud> hrm... thanks <the--dud> isnt there a packet guide somewhere on the wiki? <the--dud> package even <comadreja> could somebody help me with this ? http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=158 <\sh> the--dud: wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources <SloMo_> comadreja: sure... what is the problem with that package? (btw, why is there a *.diff with 0 bytes and no real diff?) <comadreja> SloMo_ : it's new <comadreja> SloMo_ : I packaged it, the point is, the original sources include a shared library already compiled <comadreja> SloMo_ : That's why I made it architecture dependent <SloMo_> comadreja: hm, where does this shared library come from? <comadreja> SloMo_ : also I got a question, because the program has to be ran from inside the program directory, so I created a samll script, but didn't put the script in /usr/bin * \sh should go to bed at least 1h <comadreja> \sh have some rest <comadreja> SloMo_ : I don't know <SloMo_> comadreja: can you contact the upstream author about that library and why he don't include the sources for it? <SloMo_> comadreja: btw... pytrayicon.so sound like something usefull... maybe it is already in another package? <comadreja> SloMo_ : I did, but he didn't answer <comadreja> SloMo_ : package straw also has that library <\sh> comadreja: straw? <SloMo_> comadreja: with sources? <\sh> shermann@shermann-laptop:~$ apt-file search pytrayicon.so <\sh> straw: usr/lib/straw/straw/pytrayicon.so <the--dud> ls <\sh> but straw is not arch dep or? <SloMo_> \sh: yeah... straw has the sources for this library included... <SloMo_> it's just a part of libegg it seems <bddebian> doko: I "fixed" python-slang and should be ready to upload, sorry <\sh> SloMo_: so let him use this.. <comadreja> so, should I package pytrayicon ? <SloMo_> comadreja: another question... why is this installed in /var/lib? seems wrong for me <\sh> comadreja: include it in your package <SloMo_> comadreja: nope... included it <\sh> completly <comadreja> but then: should I make it architecture dependent ? <\sh> no...take the source from straw <comadreja> the reason about /var/lib is because the program needs to be completely in one directory <SloMo_> comadreja: why not /usr/lib/gmail-notify or something? <bddebian> tseng: Please don't get mad at me but if updating mythtv from svn helps with gcc4 issues, why is it a bad thing? Doesn't it save work? <comadreja> SloMo_ : I used debian's procedure... usually they put it in /var/lib <comadreja> SloMo_ : because, it's neither a library <SloMo_> comadreja: they do? ok, nevermind :) i just know from the mono stuff that they put everything in /usr/lib/pkgname and a wrapper script in /usr/bin <comadreja> SloMo_ : really ? I used to see this way, I have no problem on moving it <comadreja> point is that is really python code <comadreja> so I treated it like web scripts <SloMo_> hmm, but it is no webscript... smeg is also python and it's stuff is in /usr/lib/smeg <Amaranth> that's changing <comadreja> then I'll put it /usr/lib, as I said, it's not a problem at all <SloMo_> Amaranth: where will it move to? <comadreja> btw, is there any way to download a package from revu without having to download it's parts ? <Amaranth> /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/Smeg/ <siretart> comadreja: not yet <Amaranth> it makes things a lot easier on me having it there <Amaranth> plus my MenuHandler is becoming more usable for normal folks <Amaranth> err, for other apps <SloMo_> comadreja: and can you make this a non-native package? e.g. with an gmail-notify_1.6.orig.tar.gz and an corresponding diff.gz ;) it makes updates just to the packaging part easier <comadreja> SloMo_ : sure, I used dh_make <the--dud> erm, dh_make has a choice of binary, library, and modules <the--dud> how about non-compiled scripts? :/ <siretart> the--dud: you want to package a single simple shellskript? <the--dud> yeah >_< <siretart> what kind of skript? is it really worth a package? <the--dud> I can see netselect-apt is, and thats even simpler than what I plan to pack, plus its 95% useless on ubuntu :p <comadreja> SloMo_ : pytray icon has lots of sources, maybe I should just create a dependency on straw (?) <SloMo_> comadreja: ok, fine :) but i would retry to talk with the upstream author regarding pytrayicon.so <siretart> the--dud: hm. I never heard about netselect-apt. can't u take that package as template? <the--dud> I suppose... I'll have a look, thanks <SloMo_> comadreja: no... that way everybody who wants to use gmail-notify has to install straw even when they don't use it <comadreja> SloMo_ : cool, now... how do I make it a non-native package ? I mean, is there a tool ? or I just have to rename some files ? <SloMo_> comadreja: put the upstream tarball in the parent directory and name it gmail-notify_1.6.orig.tar.gz and the next time you do dpkg-buildpackage you will get just the diff against this tarball <Amaranth> pytrayicon.so? wtf <Amaranth> g-p-e has trayicon bindings <comadreja> SloMo_ :thanks <comadreja> Amaranth : gmail-notify uses that... <comadreja> I'm just the messenger :) <SloMo_> comadreja: tell upstream about gnome-python-extras ;) <comadreja> SloMo_ : ok <SloMo_> comadreja: otherwise the package seems ok to me... hm, but maybe you can have a look at cdbs? this will make maintaining the debian/rules a bit easier <comadreja> I usually use dpatch , is it for the same thing right ? <SloMo_> nope... it takes away some common rules which you then have to include... for example the whole binary-arch rule you currently have there could be ommited <SloMo_> comadreja: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml <SloMo_> comadreja: and maybe this as an example debian/rules file ;) http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/dirac-0507252350/dirac-0.5.2/debian/rules * bddebian doesn't like the CDBS docs on Duckcorp <SloMo_> bddebian: i haven't found better ones yet... do you know some? ;) <bddebian> SloMo_: No, so please write one. ;-P <comadreja> I'll have fun, then :) <SloMo_> bddebian: no, better not... i don't want to torment more people the necessary with my english ;) <bddebian> SloMo_: Bah, your English is great <bddebian> btw "more people than necessary" ;-P * bddebian hides <SloMo_> bddebian: hehe thanks ;) what exactly don't you like in that cdbs docs? <bddebian> I think they are less than helpful <bddebian> They don't really tell you anything <Nafallo> we got 3 gerbils now :-) <SloMo_> bddebian: hmm... they included everything i needed to get used to cdbs ;) <bddebian> SloMo_: Well remember, I'm kinda st00pid :) <SloMo_> bddebian: you're not :P but when you have some cdbs questions just ask me ;) <bddebian> OK, thx <SloMo_> oh no... patching time :/ gpsd is using the old dbus api... * Amaranth giggles <SloMo_> anybody here who knows something about the dbus C api? <diamond> Mez: hi. you're involved in the ubuntu backports effort, yes? <Mez> yes <diamond> Mez: actually, have an email almost finished, i'll just send it -) <diamond> Mez: sent. <SloMo_> Mez: are we allowed to backport mono stuff? <Mez> SloMo_, not really <Mez> diamond, sent to where? <diamond> Mez: martin @ sf.net <tseng> Mez: SloMo_ i would like to have a proper backport on the new system if someone consults me first <Mez> of what new system? <tseng> i was pretty steamed after last time <tseng> backports from buildd <tseng> not random people's pcs <Mez> lol :DF <Mez> what are you wanting to be consulted on/ <tseng> what packages to backport for starters <Mez> tseng, <tseng> last time it was a very small portion of a large interrelated set <Mez> that's for backporters to do... and what makes you like ... the "authority" on what to backport <Mez> or are you on about mono stuff? <tseng> because it was broken <tseng> mono stuff <Mez> ah, ok <tseng> i dont want to keep being an ass <Mez> mono sutff in unofficial backports were the suck <tseng> i just hear about it several times a day <Mez> ...? <ogra> Mez, tseng is our mono god <tseng> i watch most mono channels <Mez> yeah, I know <Mez> and mono backports = the suck <Mez> :d <tseng> people want ubuntu + mono <Mez> lol <tseng> they got broken stuff <tseng> ive beaten this to death once before <Mez> yeah, but well... we gotta backport stuff propley <tseng> yes, which would be a team effort :) <tseng> what ive been trying to say <Mez> lol :D <slomo> tseng: hehe ok... when we really want to backport mono again we'll work together with you, ok? ;) <Mez> hehhehehehe <tseng> please <slomo> Mez: i didn't mean mono itself but muine for example ;) <tseng> no thats my point exactly <tseng> you cant just backport muine <tseng> it will be exactly the same thing <slomo> ok <Mez> grr <Mez> thing is, the backports only works on thigns against main <Mez> so say for example, mono-mcs <tseng> everything changed between hoary + breezy <Mez> it wont compile unless that's backported too <Mez> and well, we dont want that do we <tseng> then ill do it myself <siretart> Mez: if it is done, it really should be tested with a seperated, private repository. <tseng> oh wow, you already started this? <tseng> < #-dev <Mez> siretart - I agree <Mez> and tseng - yeah - some things are like - already started <tseng> dude. <Mez> I didnt know there was mono stuff in there, cause I didnt know what stuff was mono just from pacakge names <Mez> I'm just using that as an example <Mez> Needs-Build is when it's in the queue to be built - yes? <slomo> Mez: have you already requested removal of gtk-sharp2-unstable at elmo? <Mez> slomo - I've tried :D but no response <Mez> btw, cli-common backported nicely <tseng> its just perl scripts. <tseng> dh_clideps et all <slomo> hehe... Mez, next time ask me and i'll tell you whether it's mono or not ;) <Mez> slomo - I just sent a list I already knew about <tseng> we can backport mono fine <tseng> if you walk up the dependency tree <Mez> ...? <tseng> and not just throw random things at the wall and hope they stick <Mez> tseng - wanna move this to mailing list? <tseng> a backports list? <Mez> It'll help things alotif we have you on board <tseng> i am on board <Mez> yeah, djennings@example.org <tseng> i just get unrationally upset if you start shipping broken stuff <bddebian> Mez: You got accepted as MOTU right? <Mez> bddebian, yeah <bddebian> OK, cool. COngrats :-) <Mez> tseng, well everythings built from breezy <tseng> thats fine, we need to do it in order <Mez> fair enough tseng <Mez> you need to tell me where to start :D <tseng> cli-common and mono <Mez> cli-common = dont already <Mez> done * <tseng> what do i send to the list <tseng> to subscribe <Mez> sign up @ http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-backports <tseng> thanks <slomo> ok, so now we're backporting mono with tseng's help? fine ;) <Mez> :D <tseng> yay <ogra> wow, looks like hoary users wil get nice mono apps :) great <Mez> tseng: did you get the email on the list regarding mono <tseng> no but i
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