#ubuntu-manual 2010-12-01 <ChrisWoollard> Ooooo, A mail from Canonical about this project.. <nisshh> ChrisWoollard, oh? what does it say? <ChrisWoollard> Hi all, <ChrisWoollard> I'm Belinda Lopez (Dinda) from Canonical. I've played lots of role in Canonical and Ubuntu and am now assigned to help move this project forward. It looks like there is lots of great work to build on so I'm taking a few days to round it all up and get a good idea of any missing pieces. I'm really excited about this project as it's really important to Ubuntu and hope my experience in training development, writing, editing <ChrisWoollard> and project management will help us create an awesome manual. <ChrisWoollard> Rick asked if we could have a conference call this week to help kickstart everything and it looks like Friday 17:00 UTC will work best. This would be a conference call (ideally) but if we can't get a large enough quorum, them we can revert to IRC. The agenda would include: <ChrisWoollard> Quick review of where everything stands in the project: <ChrisWoollard> Resources <ChrisWoollard> Tools <ChrisWoollard> Authors <ChrisWoollard> Project Schedule <ChrisWoollard> Work flow review <ChrisWoollard> Any other issues? <ChrisWoollard> Let me know if that time works for folks or if you have other suggestions. <ChrisWoollard> thanks everyone! <ChrisWoollard> Dinda <ChrisWoollard> that is what it says <ChrisWoollard> What do you think? <ChrisWoollard> Nissh: What was about the dev manual <daker> ChrisWoollard, hi <ChrisWoollard> hello <daker> ChrisWoollard, the only issue i have is the hosting <ChrisWoollard> hosting? <daker> the website hosting <ChrisWoollard> can you elaborate <ChrisWoollard> Are we talking about the dev manual website or the ubuntu manual website. <daker> the ubuntu manual website <daker> actualy the new version of the website needs a new hosting :) <ChrisWoollard> I actually don't know anything about the current hosting. Is that something that ben dealt with? <daker> well godbyk who's hosting the actual website (which is in php), when trying to deploy a staging server for the new website, he wasn't able to do it due to python version confilct <ChrisWoollard> So, we need a new hosting. What are the requirements? <ChrisWoollard> Dakar, Was it yourself that developed the site? <daker> yes <daker> the requirement : Django hosting + good bandwith <nisshh> ChrisWoollard, oh, yeah, i just talked to dinda about the dev manual :) <ChrisWoollard> Dakar, can you mail me the requirements and I will have a look into it. <daker> ChrisWoollard, ok <ChrisWoollard> Nisshh: Should I take part in that conference? <ChrisWoollard> back in a few mins. <daker> ChrisWoollard, nisshh why she didn't contact the ML ? <nisshh> ChrisWoollard, if you like, yeah <nisshh> daker, ChrisWoollard is talking about the dev manual, not the desktop manual <nisshh> the email was sent to the dev manuals mailing list <daker> nisshh, ok i thought he was talking about the desktop manual <nisshh> daker, he was talking about the dev manual when he was copy/pasting that email, but the website stuff is about the desktop manual <daker> brb <nisshh> ok <ChrisWoollard> sounds like there is an issue for the ubuntu manual also <ChrisWoollard> website that is <ChrisWoollard> I am quite happy to look into hosting for the ubuntu manual website. <daker> well ChrisWoollard we should confirm we dutchie if he is able to do it or not <ChrisWoollard> I take it that dutchie is the one currently responsible for the hosting. <dutchie> er <dutchie> no <dutchie> it's mostly on godbyk's server <ChrisWoollard> ok <dutchie> apart from the django stuff, which is on mine <ChrisWoollard> maybe i'll ask godbyk what he thinks <godbyk> Hey, ChrisWoollard. I just got home. It's cold outside! #ubuntu-manual 2010-12-02 <ChrisWoollard> hello <cdbs> Did you people get a mail from Belinda? <cdbs> I didn't <cassidyjames> cdbs, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/12/01/%23ubuntu-manual.html <cdbs> oh! <cdbs> but it didn't come on the list... <cdbs> and I didn't get it <cassidyjames> Looks like it was direct to ChrisWoollard. <cassidyjames> And maybe others. <thorwil> godbyk: you got that mail from dinda? <daker> thorwil, cdbs it's about the ubuntu dev manual not the desktop manual <cdbs> oh <thorwil> ah, ok <daker> thorwil, https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-developer-manual/msg00047.html <daker> sadness!! <nisshh> daker, why is it sad? <nisshh> daker, do you think its bad because a canonical employee is being paid to work on the dev manual? <daker> nisshh, no ã <nisshh> daker, so why is it sad? (sorry, i just dont understand why you said that) <daker> i have this feeling ã <daker> just because the project is going from worse to worst <nisshh> daker, dont be like that, the project will not die :) <daker> i hope <nisshh> we have the people working on it who dont want it to die ;) <daker> having people to work on something doesn't mean this thing will be done ã <nisshh> daker, true, but i think we will get things going well again soon :) <daker> ok i'll trust you <nisshh> haha <nisshh> daker, dont put your trust in me, put it in the whole manual team :) <daker> \o/ <hannie> godbyk, ping <hannie> Godbyk, ping <hannie> Hi Chris <ChrisWoollard> Hello <hannie> Do you know if Kevin is on holiday? <nisshh> hannie, he isnt, i was talking to him yesterday <ChrisWoollard> He was around yesterday. <hannie> ok, then he is just too busy to answer my emais <hannie> *emails <ChrisWoollard> I think yesterday he got home from work at approx 23:15 UTC <hannie> That is crazy <hannie> I will just have to be patient <ChrisWoollard> but he is about 5/6 hours behind <hannie> 7 to be precise <ChrisWoollard> :) <hannie> I wanted to know of the Dutch pdf is about to be published <hannie> *if <ChrisWoollard> I haven't heard anything about how fare he has got with that. <ChrisWoollard> If i see him later, I'll remind him to mail you. <hannie> Thank you, Chris <hannie> I do not want to put any pressure on him <hannie> Do we have a new leader? <nisshh> hannie, its ok, godbyk loves it :) <hannie> Aha <nisshh> hannie, i think c7p was taking charge at one point, im no sure now ;) <nisshh> not* <ChrisWoollard> I am note sure about a leader <hannie> He certainly stirred up things <hannie> I hope the project will continue <ChrisWoollard> thanks nisshh <nisshh> :) <ChrisWoollard> I know i don't want it to die. <hannie> See you, guys <ChrisWoollard> tot ziens <ChrisWoollard> :) <hannie> :) <ChrisWoollard> nisshh, I will do my best to go to that meeting tomorrow. <nisshh> ChrisWoollard, sure, but dont stress out if you miss it, its not super duper important tha everyone comes :) <nisshh> that* <ChrisWoollard> i know. <ChrisWoollard> but it does help to know what is going on <ChrisWoollard> That is also why I said I will try my best, rather than saying I will come or i promise to come :) <nisshh> yeah, fair enough <ChrisWoollard> anyway. back later. I have to go to one of my childrens parents evening. <nisshh> ok, cya <ChrisWoollard> evening all <nisshh> dinda, feel free to ping me if you have any more questions, im just watching a movie here <dinda> nisshh: thanks, just going through the style guide right now <ChrisWoollard> dinda: Are you going to have tomorrows meeting here? <dinda> ChrisWoollard: #quickly most likely <ChrisWoollard> Thanks. I assume there will me an e-mail to confirm. <godbyk> [Time to catch up..] <godbyk> thorwil: Yeah, I got the email from dinda. <godbyk> Looks like hannie's offline now, but I haven't done anything with the Dutch manual yet. <godbyk> Hey, dinda. If you're referring to the style guide mentioned in the topic for this channel, it consists primarily of techie stuff at the moment. <godbyk> I wrote it to get folks up to speed on the formatting commands we're using for the Ubuntu manual. <ChrisWoollard> godbyk: Can you mail Hannie and tell him you haven't done anything yet. <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: Re: The ubuntu-manual.org site: I'm currently hosting it. But the new version that daker has written requires Django and I'm having a tough time getting it running on my host. <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: Yep, I'll get in touch with hannie. <ChrisWoollard> So should we be looking for another host for it then? <godbyk> At one point I think dutchie offered to host the Django site. I'm not sure if that offer's still on the table or not. <godbyk> I offered to continue to host the static files (PDFs, images, etc.) since I have ostensibly unlimited bandwidth. <godbyk> I may also create a separate user account on my host and give Django another shot there. But that won't happen until this amy08@example.org. <ChrisWoollard> What kind of bandwidth do we use? <ChrisWoollard> And how big is the site? <godbyk> My hosting provider gives me essentially unlimited bandwidth and disk space (under certain conditions, of course), but they like to kill processor-intensive processes, so I don't know how well a Django site would fare. <godbyk> Let me look. <ChrisWoollard> I guess we should check with dutchie. <ChrisWoollard> about django bit <ChrisWoollard> but it doesn't hurt to have the numbers, just in case <dinda> godbyk: do you know if ubuntu still includes the 2007 Tex version? do I still need to 2009 manually? <ChrisWoollard> 10.10 has 2009 <godbyk> files.ubuntu-manual.org (which hosts the PDFs of the manuals) used 84,336 MB of bandwidth during the month of November 2010. <godbyk> The current ubuntu-manual.org site itself used 5269 MB during the same period. <godbyk> dinda: Ubuntu 10.10 does have TeX Live 2009, but it's missing a few LaTeX packages (and has some outdated versions of others). <godbyk> You're welcome to give it a try (I haven't in quite a while, so I don't know if it's up to par or not). But I've found it's easier to just install TeX Live from upstream. <dinda> godbyk: I'm assuming (hoping) that for writing, formatting, etc followed the regular documentation team style guide? <godbyk> (For what it's worth, upstream is up to TeX Live 2010 now. They released it a couple months ago.) <godbyk> dinda: I don't know that anyone's followed any particular style guide with regard to language use, etc. <ChrisWoollard> i think for the developer manual they got it working with texlive from the package tree. <godbyk> dinda: I've been meaning to incorporate a lot of that into our style guide but haven't had the time. <godbyk> The GNOME documentation team has a great style guide as well. <godbyk> (I've found it to be more helpful than the Ubuntu doc team's style guide, frankly.) <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: Did they? Great! <ChrisWoollard> I think they striped out some of manuals additional bits <ChrisWoollard> there is a script in the branch to install all what is needed <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: As I recall, the primary issues were that required a newer version of XeTeX so that polyglossia would work properly (for translations), and that the ccicons package was missing (which just provided the Creative Commons icons used on the copyright page). <ChrisWoollard> i know they removed the refs to ccicons <godbyk> Ah, I see that now. <ChrisWoollard> I am not sure what was gone with polyglossia <godbyk> I think polyglossia required a newer version of XeTeX. I'm sure the TL2009 packages have that. <ChrisWoollard> I haven't tested there install script. I am using texlive 2010 <ChrisWoollard> s/there/their <ChrisWoollard> I did update it the other day to include the currect fonts <godbyk> Writing the English version is easy. It's the translations that add a lot of the complexity. :) <ChrisWoollard> dinda: Is there any plan to do international versions of the dev manual? <dinda> ChrisWoollard: all the work is CC-by-SA so anyone can do that bit if they like. . <dinda> but it can't be a blocker to get the first edition out <dinda> ChrisWoollard: do you recommend the 2010 version? <cassidyjames> Hey everyone, I updated the article on Muktware from yesterday to better clarify things. Sorry for the mis-interpretation! And thanks for pointing it out, popey. :) <godbyk> dinda: If you do decide to install TL2010 from upstream, be sure to go into the options menu and enable the creation of symbolic links (symlinks) during installation. <dinda> godbyk: I think I'm going to start with the 2009 version and see if it works for what I need <dinda> godbyk: are you still working on updating the manual style guide? <godbyk> dinda: Sounds like a plan. Please let me know if you encounter any problems using the stock 2009 packages. <godbyk> dinda: I haven't for quite a while, but it really does need to be updated considerably. <godbyk> The style guide grew out of a 'how to use LaTeX' tutorial for our authors. <godbyk> But it should really encompass usage, spelling, a discussion of common grammatical errors, etc., too. <godbyk> Especially with regard to the words used in describing parts of the Ubuntu/GNOME desktop. <dinda> godbyk: other than the bits about How 2 for authors - why not just reference the GNOME SG? <nisshh> godbyk, there are specific things to do with the dev manual too, (programming terminology, etc) <nisshh> jenkins, hey dude, why are you using the freenode web interface? <godbyk> dinda: I will probably do that. I need to review the Ubuntu docs and GNOME style guides to see if there's anything we disagree on, but they're otherwise great sources. <ChrisWoollard> nisshh: there is nothing wrong with 2009, it works for everything we need. <jenkins> hey all, nisshh my laptop is still broken :( <ChrisWoollard> it is just that instuctions on the ubuntu-manual site now download 2010 instead of 2009 <nisshh> ChrisWoollard, i was talking about the style guide, not tex live :) <nisshh> jenkins, ah ok <nisshh> jenkins, need to talk to you about your dev manual chapters sometime too <ChrisWoollard> sorry, it think dinda asked that question. <nisshh> ChrisWoollard, hehe <dinda> ChrisWoollard: yip, twas me, thanks <jenkins> yea nisshh I don't have an ubuntu box at the moment this is my work laptop <nisshh> jenkins, yeah, thats fine, whenever your all sorted out, im just letting you know <jenkins> It may be a while, depends on what i decide to get. <nisshh> jenkins, ok, if you dont think you will be able to get a draft of all your chapters done in the next month or two, please let me know so i can get others to work on them :) <jenkins> I don't think i will a am afraid <jenkins> the only other scout leader has left and that is taking up loads of my time <dinda> nisshh: which version of English was the manual written to? <godbyk> dinda: I know that the Ubuntu manual and the Ubuntu docs are written in US English. <godbyk> dinda: Not sure about the dev guide, though. <dinda> godbyk: that's good enough for me; US English is fine <godbyk> dinda: In the Ubuntu manual project, I think that, as an American, I'm outnumbered, though. <godbyk> (Yay, commas!) <dinda> godbyk: yeah, I'm so used to writing UK English that I have to remember to reset my dictionaries to US English all the time (I'm from Texas) <godbyk> For some reason Empathy is stuck on UK English. <godbyk> Its spell-checker has a host of other issues, too, though. <godbyk> But it still causes me to question my sanity upon occasion. <ChrisWoollard> I love UK English. <ChrisWoollard> I may be slightly biased <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: It has its charm. ;-) <ChrisWoollard> I am sure it has some annoyances also <ChrisWoollard> godbyk: my nice new Latex book should arrive tomorrow <ChrisWoollard> as per your suggestion <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: Ah, cool. That'll keep you busy for a while! <ChrisWoollard> more than likely <dutchie> the offer of hosting is still on the table, but university is leaving me with no time to sort it <dutchie> term finishes this saturday though #ubuntu-manual 2010-12-03 <fwolff> Hi. I'm trying to use quickshot a bit. Is this the right place for discussions of quickshot? <fwolff> I'd like to just quickly try it out, but don't have a .qsproj file, so just wondering what the easiest way is to get going quickly <ChrisWoollard> My Latex book has arrived. <ChrisWoollard> yay <popey> anyone interested in helping with the developer manual, conf call in 45 mins <popey> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-developer-manual/msg00050.html <c7p> hello all <c7p> ChrisWoollard: how is it going ? <ChrisWoollard> i am in a conference at the mo <c7p> oop sorry <ChrisWoollard> don't worry <c7p> ping me when you are available #ubuntu-manual 2010-12-06 <daker> godbyk, ping #ubuntu-manual 2010-12-07 <daker> godbyk, ping <daker> godbyk, ping <UndiFineD> daker, pang <daker> UndiFineD, yep! <UndiFineD> godbyk, is not playing pong with you ? <daker> \o/ <godbyk> daker: pong. :) <daker> godbyk, pm #ubuntu-manual 2010-12-10 <c7p> hello all <daker> hello c7p <komsas> hello, I have problem with quickshot, it did'nt download list for the screenshots from the http://ubuntu-manual.org <komsas> godbyk, can you help me? #ubuntu-manual 2010-12-11 <godbyk> Hey, komsas. <godbyk> komsas: Unfortunately, that server isn't working at the moment. <godbyk> If you grab the latest version of Quickshot and use the new server, it should work, I think. <komsas> what is new server address? <godbyk> Y'know, I don't know. <godbyk> I haven't tried the new Quickshot yet. <godbyk> I would email or ping flan or jenkins. They should be able to help you out. <komsas> do you know where I can search for this answer, because we are in the end of manual translation.. <godbyk> I don't think they've written a how-to yet. I pestered them about it the other day. <komsas> if you can give me there email or you can write for them? <komsas> their * <godbyk> Let's see.. Luke's is amy08@example.org.. <godbyk> Hmm.. looks line flan doesn't have an ubuntu-manual.org address. I'll have to fix that sometime. <komsas> godbyk, thanks for now :) bye <daker> bug 688943 <manualbot> Launchpad bug 688943 in gdm "gdm should use the theme of the user when there is only one user on the system" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/688943 <nisshh> i saw that <nisshh> in my bug mail <Infosoft> I don't think this is a bug. It's more like a blueprint. Actually it's a very good idea :) #ubuntu-manual 2010-12-12 <trijntje> is Ubuntu Manual e2 already open for translations? <nisshh> trijntje, it has been for ages <trijntje> nisshh, ok, good. I vaguely remembered seeing that it wasnt ready somewhere, thats why I asked <nisshh> yeah <c7p> godbyk: ping <godbyk> c7p: pong <godbyk> seriously? just a second too late? #ubuntu-manual 2010-12-14 <zleap> hi <zleap> is there a manual out for ubuntu 10.10 ? <daker> zleap, not yet released <zleap> ok <zleap> thanks <daker> zleap, yw <zleap> trying to do something simple with microsoft is a nignmare, jujst to get the trial version to play a file <zleap> trial versionof MS office, sufice to say it may get dumped for open office #ubuntu-manual 2010-12-16 <godbyk> hey, jenkins! <jenkins> hey man hows you? <godbyk> give me a few minutes and I'll have a better answer for you. <godbyk> I just got back in from shoveling snow for 25 minutes. <godbyk> so you'll have to wait for my body temperature to acclimate and my glasses to defog. :-) <jenkins> wow how deap is it out there? <godbyk> It's not amy08@example.org.. maybe an inch or so. (There was another inch a couple days ago, too.) <godbyk> I've decided that I hate my snow shovel, however. <godbyk> :) <jenkins> haha <jenkins> not as much snow then really <godbyk> no, not too much snow. just took a while 'cause I'm out of shape and my shovel sucks. <godbyk> I did the driveway, too, which is probably about as much surface area as the sidewalk. <godbyk> All in all, it's still not much to complain about. <godbyk> (Not that that'll prevent me from complaining just the same, mind you!) <jenkins> :) I know how you feel we always clear the drive when it snows here <jenkins> hows the manual going I feel very out of touch. Living at home, running scouts and work has zapped my time <godbyk> Very slowly, I think. <jenkins> i think....? <godbyk> I need to tackle the index soon. I'm not sure how everything else is coming along. <godbyk> There haven't been any status reports for a little while, so I'm not sure what's been happening. <jenkins> hmm not good I whish i was at uni to help as i have more time there. I guess we have not gained many people then? <godbyk> Not that I'm aware of. <godbyk> Do you know what the status of Quickshot (client and server both) is? <godbyk> Can we get a PPA for the latest version and make sure that the server is configured to be used for all our manual editions (lucid-e1, -e2, and maverick)? <godbyk> I think screenshots is one of the big remaining to do items. <jenkins> erm tbh I haev not touched it in ages I can send up the latest version to the ppa at the weekend <godbyk> That'd be awesome if you could find some time to do that. <jenkins> as for the server flan is a better person to ask. I will do my best <godbyk> Based on the emails I've received from him, it sounds like he's swamped at work these days. <jenkins> sounds like we both are then :( <godbyk> Tomorrow is the last day of the semester here. <godbyk> So I'll be on break soon. <godbyk> I'll still have to work a bunch, but hopefully I can eek out some time to move things forward on the manual project. <jenkins> cool, I don't finish work untill the 23rd <godbyk> I'll be at my parents' house from the 23rd to the 28th. So I probably won't get much done during that time. <jenkins> I don't think many people will <dutchie> i should probably have done considerably more than i have <dutchie> but i am still here <jenkins> Hey dutchie hows you? <dutchie> fine really <dutchie> nothing much going on now <jenkins> hows uni been going? <dutchie> knackering <jenkins> :( <jenkins> night all o/ #ubuntu-manual 2010-12-17 <c7p> hello all :) <godbyk> Hey, c7p <c7p> how is it going ? <Infosoft> Hey godbyk! Somehow I didn't noticed you were online :) / Hello c7p <c7p> hi Infosoft <Infosoft> Who could make the last Lithuanian screenshot? I don't have a Bluetooth adapter. :/ <Infosoft> Neither other translators do :/ <c7p> i could :P <c7p> i have an adapter, i can boot from quickshots live cd and do the job <c7p> but is the server up ? <godbyk> c7p: I don't think the live cd will work anymore since it's using the old server (which isn't working at the moment). <godbyk> unless they've made a new live cd that uses the new server.. <Infosoft> Quickshot is working. The only way to work with it is to save qsproj file on the desktop and then to run it with new Quickshot version <Infosoft> But there's no new LiveCD <Infosoft> For some reasons Quickshot was unable to get qsproj file from the specified URL <Infosoft> However URL was correct <godbyk> jenkins said he'd try to get quickshot packaged up this weekend and put in the ppa. <godbyk> flan's been insanely amy08@example.org. <c7p> i can install the quickshot on a typical live cd session and use it, right ? <Infosoft> c7p: yes <c7p> cool no worries Infosoft ;) -i hope- <Infosoft> Don't forget firstly to install Lithuanian language support files <c7p> yap don't worry, i think i'll do it tonight <Infosoft> Thanks! <c7p> any instructions how i can use the new quickshot ? i mean what do you need ? since the server isn't up you must be working alternatively <Infosoft> 1. sudo add-apt-repository ppa:quickshotdevs/quickshot-release 2. sudo apt-get update 3. sudo apt-get install quickshot 4. Save http://flan.uguu.ca:5000/ump/10-04/%5Bump%5D10-04.qsproj on the desktop or somewhere else. Run Quickshot... <Infosoft> There should be only one needed screenshot on the list <c7p> ok the 4th was what i needed <Infosoft> The language: Lithuanian (lt_LT) <c7p> got it ;) <c7p> brb <c7p> hello <c7p> Infosoft: i took the screenshot and now i'm on the submit/recapture screen <c7p> typically by pressing submit the screenshot gets uploded <c7p> what should i do now <c7p> i can take a screenshot of the screenshot (what an irony :P) and manipulate the new screenshot with gimp so as to get the wanted picture <c7p> godbyk: any idea ? <godbyk> c7p: what's the problem? <c7p> godbyk: i press the upload button but nothing happens <c7p> submit* <c7p> ^^ <godbyk> hmm.. I'm not sure then. <godbyk> do you see anything printed to the console/terminal? <godbyk> (If you're not running it from a terminal, try that. it will hopefully print an error msg or debug info that's more helpful.) <c7p> ok <c7p> godbyk: check this http://pastebin.com/nfZwRT5N <c7p> i pressed the submit button 4-5 or so times <daker> c7p, bug 691511 <manualbot> Launchpad bug 691511 in quickshot "Crash after pressing screenshot submit button" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/691511 <godbyk> daker: Thanks! <godbyk> c7p: Per the bug report, try adding the contributor credits and them resubmitting. <c7p> thx for helping <c7p> we should add this to quickshots instructions <godbyk> definitely. <godbyk> and quickshot should provide a useful warning/error message about it. <godbyk> (ideally, it'd require you to enter your contributor info before you go to the point of submitting the screenshot. <c7p> yap <godbyk> or ask for the info as needed when you try to submit.) <c7p> godbyk: do you have a few minutes ? <godbyk> c7p: a couple. what's up? <c7p> i found a translation platform that maybe more proper for our project <c7p> http://www.transifex.net/ <godbyk> cool. <godbyk> I'll have a look. <c7p> i don't know exactly what it provides but i watched a video from it's developers and they said that their software could be used for translating manuals <c7p> neat <godbyk> Pootle was the one I was trying to remember the other day. But I think it's basically the same as Rosetta/Launchpad: http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/index <godbyk> do you have a link to that video? I'd love to watch it later. <c7p> :/ it's in greek <c7p> it is developed from greek developers <godbyk> ah, bummer. <c7p> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fG44h4iwuY <c7p> but the vid is a bit old -there is new version now i think- <godbyk> 'kay. <c7p> g2g <c7p> bye #ubuntu-manual 2010-12-18 <Infosoft> Hello everyone :) <dutchie> up <dutchie> oops <komsas> Hello, who know how to get captured screenshots from the http://flan.uguu.ca:5000/ump/10-04 ? <c7p> godbyk: ping #ubuntu-manual 2010-12-19 <patrickdickey> Hello there. Does anyone know if there's a .qproj file for the Ubuntu-manual in English (or the project url to get Quickshot configured)? <godbyk> patrickdickey: Which edition are you working on? 10.04 or 10.10? <patrickdickey> Hello there. For godbyk, you asked me a question earlier, but my computer had crashed. I'm working on 10.10 (as far as I know). I used the lp:ubuntu-manual command in bzr to download the manual. (My original question was about setting up QuickShot to work with the project). <patrickdickey> Here is my original question (along with timestamp from CST): [19:19:14] <patrickdickey> Hello there. Does anyone know if there's a .qproj file for the Ubuntu-manual in English (or the project url to get Quickshot configured)? <godbyk> patrickdickey: I don't think we've finalized the screenshots for 10.10 yet. <godbyk> patrickdickey: Once we do, though, I think the qsproject file will be at this url: http://flan.uguu.ca:5000/ump/10-10/[ump]10-10.qsproj <godbyk> (There's one there now, but I don't believe it's up to date.) <patrickdickey> I see. I noticed in some of the .tex files that they have TODO:'s where they wanted some screenshots. I'll wait until everything is finalized then, before I start trying to get them. <godbyk> Good idea. I'll make sure we post to the mailing list when we're ready to have everyone start collecting screenshots. <patrickdickey> Thanks. I looked at the one that's up right now, and all it wants are two "Test" shots. Unless that's just required to get things set up on my end. <godbyk> I suspect it hasn't been setup on the server yet. #ubuntu-manual 2010-12-20 <daker> hi <daker> any good news ? <jenkins-Android> Gobyk ping <jenkins-Android> I have attempted to upload quickshot how ever my laptop is only working with an external screen and that is starting to fail as well. I am having a new pc delivered hopefully this week , i will upload asap. <jenkins-Android> I got 8 inches if snow at the weekend so spent lots if time shifting it so I could get to work today. <godbyk> jenkins-Android: Sounds like you're having a good time, then! :-) <godbyk> jenkins-Android: Thanks for working on Quickshot, though. We keep getting people popping into the channel asking how to take screenshots. <jenkins-Android2> N I promise to get it uploaded the version in one of the pas should function to some form iirc <godbyk> jenkins-Android, jenkins-Android2, jenkins-Android3: connectivity problems? you're multiplying! <jenkins-Android2> Godbyk yea my WiFi is dogy #ubuntu-manual 2010-12-21 <aquarius> nisshh, ping <aquarius> when I run "make" on the manual, it throws a weird error about ! Package xkeyval Error: `autostyle' undefined in families `csq'. <aquarius> what's that all about? <nisshh> aquarius, hey <nisshh> aquarius, the manual being the desktop or dev manual? <aquarius> dev <nisshh> aquarius, have you pulled the latest changes? <aquarius> yep <nisshh> ok, one sec, im trying too <aquarius> revno 42 <nisshh> yeah <nisshh> aquarius, does it stop at that error or finish compiling? <aquarius> stops at that error, with a prompt of "?" <nisshh> i see <nisshh> works fine for me <nisshh> must be specific to your machine <aquarius> and then I have to ^Z and kill %1 to get rid of it :) <nisshh> yeah <aquarius> it used to work; I have built the manual before <nisshh> right <aquarius> but I have no idea how to even go about fixing this. Who wrote all the tex stuff? was that you? <nisshh> aquarius, no that was godbyk <nisshh> on that note <nisshh> godbyk, ping <godbyk> Hey, nisshh. What's up? <nisshh> godbyk, see the error aquarius is getting? <nisshh> any ideas? <nisshh> to me it looks like a font error or something <godbyk> aquarius: First, when you get an error message, you can type 'X' and press 'Enter' to exit the LaTeX processor and return to a command prompt. <godbyk> (No need for killing.) :-) <aquarius> this is useful info :) <godbyk> aquarius: Are you running the latest upstream TeX Live? <aquarius> I'm running whatever's in maverick <godbyk> That'll be the problem then. <nisshh> ah <godbyk> You'll want to install the upstream version (which is 2010 now). <aquarius> you're joking. It's not possible to build the Ubuntu developer's manual in Ubuntu? <aquarius> is this a good idea? <nisshh> aquarius, it is possible, just not with the set of packages in the repos <godbyk> The problem is that the packages in Ubuntu are out-dated. <nisshh> godbyk, be worth finding out if the default natty packages can be used <godbyk> The specific error you're getting is because we've passing an option to the csquotes package that isn't available in the version of csquotes that you have installed. <nisshh> heh, i never would have figured that out :) <godbyk> nisshh: I haven't tried anything with Natty yet. Have the texlive packages been updated? <nisshh> godbyk, not sure, but if the default packages in natty work fine for compiling the manual, that will be good for everyone :) <aquarius> ok. Can I build the manual without that option to csquotes? Obviously that won't be the final build, but it would be very very much more convenient to be able to build a (slightly wrong but still displayable) version of the manual on the Ubuntu systems that people have :) <godbyk> nisshh: No doubt. The error is really cryptic. (It's basically a lower-level parsing error, so you have to know how the csquotes and xkeyval packages work internally.) <nisshh> i see <godbyk> aquarius: At the moment, you probably can, yes. (Since we're not using csquotes just yet.) <godbyk> aquarius: Modify the ubuntu-manual.cls file. Find the \RequirePackage[blahblah]{csquotes} line. <nisshh> aquarius, why is it important that the manual be compilable on a default Ubuntu install? <godbyk> aquarius: And remove the autostyle=true bits. <nisshh> by default i mean default + tex live <aquarius> nisshh, because most of the authors will *have* a default Ubuntu install. :) <godbyk> aquarius: But make sure that you don't commit those changes. <nisshh> aquarius, but its very simple to install upstream tex live, there is no need to compile anything <aquarius> godbyk, sure thing -- is it possible to change that file to say "if csquotes.version >= 2010: use new options; else: use old options"? <godbyk> In general, though, I'd strongly recommend installing upstream TeX Live. You'll get much more frequent updates, and we can't maintain backwards-compatibility for very long. <aquarius> I, personally, am massively averse to installing things that aren't Ubuntu packages... <godbyk> aquarius: Nope. I can say 'require this new version of csquotes and throw an error if it's not there', but that's about it. <nisshh> i see <aquarius> godbyk, oh, OK, that's a shame, but that's not your fault :) <godbyk> aquarius: Yeah. We tried building Ubuntu packages for the new TeX Live, but the Debian folks have put that on hold as they're going to completely reorganize those packages soon. <godbyk> Everyone complains about it; you're not alone. <nisshh> godbyk, jenkins told me the debian folks would have it done by christmas too :| <aquarius> godbyk, ok, have changed csquotes line to \RequirePackage{csquotes}% for language-specific quotation marks <aquarius> now get a new error on make: (/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/csquotes/csquotes.cfg))kpathsea: Invalid fontname `Linux Libertine O', contains ' ' <godbyk> For compiling the English version of the manual, we can do away with most of the packages. But as soon as we start translating to umpteen different languages, we need the latest and greatest packages (because they have the features and bug fixes we need). <nisshh> aquarius, apt-get install ttf-linux-libertine <aquarius> heh. :) <godbyk> aquarius: Check the install-packages.sh script. Look for the REQUIRED_UBUNTU_PACKAGES line. Install all those packages. <nisshh> oh wait <nisshh> if aquarius modifies the .cls files and whatnot <nisshh> they will end up committed to trunk <aquarius> godbyk, aha, I did that before, but it's changed and has had new packages added :) <nisshh> is that what we want for everyone? <aquarius> nisshh, I'm not going to commit the changes. <godbyk> nisshh: That's why I told him specifically to make sure he *doesn't* commit them. (We'll see if that admonition worked.) <nisshh> oh ok <aquarius> yay, manual builds! * nisshh missed that part <nisshh> excellent <aquarius> godbyk, thanks. :) <nisshh> speaking of which, i should do some more work on my chapter <godbyk> aquarius: no problem. let me know if you run into any other issues or have any latex-related questions. <Atlantic777> Hi! Is there a quick start guide for compiling of tex files? #ubuntu-manual 2010-12-22 <trijntje> Hi all, it looks like I can disable the translations for the Manual on Launchpad, is this supposed to be so? I'm only a member of the public manual team on LP, no special privileges #ubuntu-manual 2010-12-24 <godbyk> A quick heads-up: I just released the Dutch lucid-e1 manuals to the ubuntu-manual.org site and lulu.com. <godbyk> And with that, I'm off to bed. <daker> great <daker> good work <trijntje> godbyk, whohoo! Thats Great! <trijntje> Minor error on the website: When I choose "Nederlands" the label on the drop down menu reverts to "English" within a second, even though the download button still gives me the dutch pdf to download <daker> trijntje, i saw that <daker> i'll fix that <trijntje> ok, cool, thanks <godbyk> Hey, daker. <godbyk> Is the website still translatable via Launchpad? <daker> lemme see <godbyk> Hannie found some untranslated Dutch strings. If it's still translatable via Launchpad, I can point her there. <daker> godbyk, i reactivated the translations https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website <godbyk> daker: Cool. I'll forward that link to Hannie. <daker> sure <trijntje> by the way, everybody who is a member of the manual team can disable the translations on launchpad, is this a problem? <daker> godbyk, ^ <godbyk> trijntje: Really? Hmm. I'll take a amy08@example.org. <trijntje> godbyk, yeah, I noticed it yesterday <godbyk> I'm not sure if it's possible to limit control of our translations or not (since the Ubuntu Manual team is an open team at the moment). Does anyone know? <Muscovy> I thought only the project owner/driver (not the same as those with branch write access) could change details. #ubuntu-manual 2010-12-26 <Muscovy> Could someone tell me if http://bugs.ubuntu-manual.org/ is open source? <dutchie> Muscovy: er <dutchie> i can't remember whether i put the code anywhere or not <dutchie> it is in theory <dutchie> ah, it is <dutchie> Muscovy: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual-website/ubuntu-manual-website/bug-form #ubuntu-manual 2010-12-27 <jenkins> ls <jenkins> opps :P <jenkins> godbyk: the latest version of quickshot for maverick is in https://launchpad.net/~quickshotdevs/+archive/quickshot-release <godbyk> The 2010-09-12 version? <godbyk> jenkins: ^ <jenkins> yep thats the newest one <godbyk> okay. <jenkins> we have not written anything since as far as I know. <jenkins> and bzr says nothing new either <godbyk> can we fix the bug where it throws an error msg to the console when you try to submit a screenshot but haven't added your contributor details yet? <godbyk> (it should show a gui error or better yet, ask for the details right then.) <jenkins> do we have a bug number? <godbyk> lemme find it. <jenkins> not one I was aware of <godbyk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/quickshot/+bug/691511 <manualbot> Launchpad bug 691511 in quickshot "Crash after pressing screenshot submit button" [Undecided,New] <jenkins> ta <jenkins> I wonder how they got past the enter info page <godbyk> ah, no clue. <jenkins> do we have a manual .qsproj file? <godbyk> you can nab it from the server. let me find it. <godbyk> here's one for the 10.04 manual: http://flan.uguu.ca:5000/ump/10-04/%5Bump%5D10-04.qsproj <jenkins> found one thanks <godbyk> 'kay. <jenkins> have we set up any 10.10 screenshots? <godbyk> not yet. <godbyk> I think we're still editing the manual. <jenkins> which ones do we want? I can start adding them this week <godbyk> i don't know yet. You might check with ChristWoollard when he's on next. <godbyk> That reminds me that I do need to read through and fix up the index, though. <jenkins> k will do, I see how the user may have missed the user credit. I will look into it tomorrow <jenkins> night <godbyk> 'kay. thanks, jenkins! <godbyk> g'night. #ubuntu-manual 2010-12-28 * daker is away: OccupÃ© #ubuntu-manual 2010-12-29 <komsas> Hi godbyk, do you have time to help me with latex? <komsas> ping godbyk, can you look to my manual compile log, in the end there is error, I can't solve it, check please http://paste.ubuntu.com/548526/ <dutchie> komsas: do you have disk space free and write permissions on the directory where you are trying to put the output file? <komsas> yes dutchie <dutchie> hmm, out of ideas then <dutchie> sorry <komsas> strange that it works good but after 2-3 compilation I got this error. I think computer restart helped me one time.. I'm going to try it again. <komsas> no problem, I home godbyk will know how to solve this <komsas> hope * <komsas> dutchie, I found problem.. workaround, it is something with ram memory I think. When I close expl. irc client or other program I don't get this error. But I have now others problems with the gloss-lithuanian.ldf, like erorr "! Package etoolbox Error: Toggle 'lithuanian@RL' undefined.". <dutchie> that's godbyk's area <dutchie> afraid you'll have to wait for him <komsas> yee.. let's wait :) <daker> tik tak tik tak ã <komsas> I see daker you with us :) <komsas> does someone know where to find newest root-directories.svg from the lucid-e2 branch screenshots dir, there is png but old lucid-e1 svg. #ubuntu-manual 2010-12-30 <trijntje> Why does lulu charge for downloading a pdf of the manual? <nisshh> trijntje, it doesnt, lulu charges for the cost of creating a paperback book <trijntje> http://www.lulu.com/product/file-download/aan-de-slag-met-ubuntu-1004/14330923 <trijntje> it looks like it does charge for the dutch version, maybe thats an error? <trijntje> I mean, the license probably allows them to do that, but still <nisshh> trijntje, heh, must be, just dont buy it <trijntje> well I know that, but I'd guess many people don't know that <nisshh> trijntje, yeah, not much we can do about it though, i cant remember who manages the lulu stuff <trijntje> nisshh, lol <nisshh> trijntje, whats so funny? <trijntje> that we cant do something about it because you dont remember who manages it <trijntje> ill send a mail to the list to see if someone knows <nisshh> trijntje, well, yeah, i mean, its 1am in the morning here, im not doing anything about it :) <nisshh> trijntje, sorry if i sound a bit angry, im really angry with some people in my loco and the loco council right now :) <trijntje> nisshh, no problem, you dont sound angry to me ;) <nisshh> trijntje, if you saw me on a webcam (i dont have one, but metaphorically) i look incredibly angry :) <trijntje> ill take your word for it ;) <trijntje> I've send the mail, so hopefully someone else will fix it :D <daker> trijntje, godbyk is the responsable for the lulu thing <nisshh> daker, ah ok, didnt know who it was :) <trijntje> daker, ah ok. Then he probably respond when he reads the mail on the list <daker> ok <semioticrobotic> trijntje: Already fixed. :) <trijntje> semioticrobotic, your right, cool <daker> godbyk, ping #ubuntu-manual 2010-12-31 <komsas> ping godbyk <thorwil> /j #freenode-newyears * thorwil gazes at that leading " " <daker> LoL #ubuntu-manual 2011-12-13 <hannie> godbyk, ping #ubuntu-manual 2011-12-14 <godbyk> Hey, CrustyBarnacle. <godbyk> To answer your question from last week or thereabouts, the glossary entries are in the frontmatter directory because they must be included in the main .tex file prior to any of the other text that may refer to them. <CrustyBarnacle> godbyk: Was wondering... Thanks <CrustyBarnacle> godbyk: Feel free to hack at the Index entries or Glossary... My time is getting sucked up in Holiday shenanigans. <godbyk> CrustyBarnacle: I'm going to try to work on some indexing this weekend. <godbyk> I've been kept pretty busy with other work, too, unfortunately. <CrustyBarnacle> godbyk: Me too <CrustyBarnacle> ttyl... sleepy time <Lhesalinux> hy <Lhesalinux> pliss help <Lhesalinux> tutorial instal wvdial #ubuntu-manual 2012-12-01 <bootinfdsds> Hi Peeps Anyone wanna hangout this morning ? https://diasp.eu/posts/738249 <bokjhv> Hi there .. I'd like to do more translations .. Is there an ebook or wiki to use your software ?? Look to dive right in ... :) <cqfd93> Hi everybody! #ubuntu-manual 2012-12-04 * bokjhv is away: /me requires JuanValdez. BRBack... #ubuntu-manual 2012-12-05 * solarcloud is away: /me requires JuanValdez. BRBack... * solarcloud is back (gone 00:07:02) #ubuntu-manual 2012-12-06 <hannie> hi freedomrun May I ask if you are an author/editor or translator of our manual? <hannie> Or do I kow you under a different name? <hannie> *know <freedomrun> hannie, hi <hannie> hi, do you have another nick? <freedomrun> nope <hannie> Do you work for the manual as an author? <hannie> Sorry for the questions, but I see you here quite often and I do not know who you are <freedomrun> I try not to cuz my english isn`t a pure perfection <freedomrun> oh :) <hannie> are you a translator? <freedomrun> I`m helping in translations <hannie> ah, which language? <freedomrun> Croatian <freedomrun> a bit of Slovenian <freedomrun> and you? <hannie> Ok, I am currently trying to find out how many languages have a full translation of our manual <hannie> In the near future we want to publish them <freedomrun> hannie, I am helping as much time is allowing me to do so <freedomrun> and that will be using launchpad <hannie> I am going to check the status of the Croatian language <freedomrun> please do <hannie> Here it is: Croatian = 0%, slovenian = 100% translated <hannie> It looks like there is work for you to do;) <freedomrun> what?!!! <freedomrun> hannie, can you specify the url? <hannie> Actually, I am amy08@example.org. Did you work in Quantal? <hannie> I am going to check quantal <freedomrun> On every one just I am not shure where did translation gone for manual?!!! you must be joking <hannie> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual <hannie> Quantal: Croatian 0%, Slovenian 100% <freedomrun> hannie, I am clicking on link *with fear <hannie> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/quantal/+pots/ubuntu-manual/hr/+translate <hannie> There is something strange here. Your country is not hr, is it? <hannie> But the title is: Translating into Croatian <freedomrun> hannie, yes it is hr <freedomrun> oh man <freedomrun> 0% <hannie> freedomrun, perhaps you can check with other member of the Croation translation team? <hannie> *Croatian <freedomrun> hannie, I will have to .. thank you very much for this shameful information <hannie> Not shameful, but useful. Now we can do something about it :) <hannie> hey CarstenG <CarstenG> Hi Hannie <CarstenG> Hi @ all <freedomrun> hannie yeah you`re right just I knewit this will happen <freedomrun> hi CarstenG <hannie> freedomrun, where did you translate? <freedomrun> in launchpad <hannie> Perhaps an old version? <hannie> freedomrun, can you give me the url? <freedomrun> yep but maybe it is not launchpad as then I wasn`t officialy member of translation team <hannie> I just checked lucid: Croatian 0% translated <freedomrun> so I don`t think launchpad has anything to do with it ... there where a dissagreatments in team about some way of translation <freedomrun> I think they didn`t accepted or they deleted all <freedomrun> not shure <hannie> ok, the important thing is that the manual is translated in as many languages as possible <freedomrun> hannie, you can count on me .. now... for shure <hannie> That is nice to hear, but it would be great if the whole team works on it <hannie> It is a huge document <hannie> I see 2 names: Igor Vatavuk and freedomrun <freedomrun> yeah maybe I don`t know him personally there are manny more in team .. I`ll sent an message <hannie> success! <freedomrun> errr whut? :) <CarstenG> be back in some minutes... <hannie> I'll be gone in a minute. see you later <CarstenG> Hi Sylvie <cqfd93> Hi CarstenG! How are you? <cqfd93> I should say Carsten :-) <CarstenG> Yes, Iâm fine. And you? <cqfd93> Fine! <CarstenG> Iâm just working on the German translation. <CarstenG> There are much fuzzy strings from the lucid release which we have to update to precise. <CarstenG> I saw, that you have updated a lot of the French screenshots for quantal. <CarstenG> Nice. :-) <cqfd93> Good! I see that you still have a lot to do for the German translation. You'll feel much better when it's done :-) <cqfd93> Thank for your comment about the French screenshots <cqfd93> I am still not completely pleased with them nd I may have to edit a lot of them <CarstenG> I have one again :-) <CarstenG> 06-user-group-settings.png has again a mouse pointer :-) <cqfd93> Damn mouse pointers, I'll check that again later, I'm not sure I'll have time to do that tonight <CarstenG> If you think they are ok, give me a note and I will review them. * cqfd93 going to check out 06-user-group-settings.png <CarstenG> Four eyes see more than two. :-) <cqfd93> True! <CarstenG> And you are welcome to check the German screenshots for any issues. <cqfd93> Just saw the big yellow mouse pointer (my host's pointer, as I'm running Quantal in a virtual machine) <cqfd93> Is it the mouse pointer you mentioned earlier? <CarstenG> Yes, it is <cqfd93> OK. I'll do it soon <CarstenG> You could do the screenshots inside the VM, so you don't get mouse pointer from the host. <cqfd93> Usually I move the mouse pointer outside the VM window, but not this time <cqfd93> If it's the only one to fix, it will be fast <CarstenG> I mean, use the screenshot tool from quantal in the VM and not from the host... <cqfd93> It's easier from the host as my VM is extremely slow and I prefer to take a screenshot of the host desktop and crop it in gimp <CarstenG> ah ok <CarstenG> it was only a suggestion :-) <cqfd93> I told you I was not completely pleased with my screenshots: the upper left and right corners of the windows show a tiny portion of the background, they would look much better rounder with white background <cqfd93> same problem with the precise screenshots <cqfd93> *rounded <cqfd93> afk for a few minutes <CarstenG> Yes, I see this tiny background portion. <CarstenG> But I think, it is ok. <CarstenG> Otherwise you could switch to a white background for these screenshots. But switch back for screenshots which show the background. <cqfd93> It's too late now to redo all of them with a white background, but I could just copy and paste the corners of a good window titlebar to the other windows <CarstenG> If you like, you can do this. But it is ok for me as it is now. <cqfd93> OK! Just pushed 06-user-group-settings.png <CarstenG> Looks better now. :-) <CarstenG> What host system are you using, which has such a yellow mouse pointer? <cqfd93> I'm using 12.04 Unity with the oxy-yellow mouse pointers + xplanetfx background + oxygen icon theme + Adwaita Cupertino SL Unity GTK+ theme and window theme <cqfd93> Would you like to see a screenshot of my desktop? <CarstenG> Yes, I want. :-) <cqfd93> ;-) <cqfd93> I'll do that soon <CarstenG> thanks <cqfd93> http://ubuntuone.com/6nfnh7gE9XiKWyhPe8FH9m <CarstenG> Looks nice. I have still the default 12.04 setting :-) <cqfd93> I don't like much the default theme :-) <cqfd93> Carsten, instead of wonking on corrections of the precise and quantal manuals (I am too tired and not in the mood for that),
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