#ubuntu-us-oh 2011-01-01 * Cheri703 is having a SUPER WILD AND CAH-RAZY new year's eve: husband playing counter-strike in the other room, I'm waiting for a tv show to download, listening to (mostly silence) my ham radio that I dug out of a box tonight, dog asleep on the floor...WOOOO! <BiosElement> Nice Cheri703 * Cheri703 is a bowl full of excitement <vorian> what's uppppp? <vorian> whoa, it's JonathanD <dmcglone1> Hiya all <vorian> howdy <Cheri703> hey dmcglone, vorian <dmcglone1> Hi Cheri703 <dmcglone1> Hi vorian <dmcglone1> what ya'll up to this evening? <dmcglone1> I checked out google chrome, and chose to dump firefox for it <vorian> just another night of coding <vorian> imo, ff4 beta stinketh <Cheri703> not much at all <dmcglone1> google chrome is blazing fast and had all the syncing capabilities built in <dmcglone1> don't need add ons <Cheri703> I'm using ff4, I liked chrome, but a lot of the little things bugged me <dmcglone1> so far chrome hasn't bugged me <dmcglone1> I'm running the stable release <Cheri703> I was using chromium * vorian uses konqi <dmcglone1> Cheri703: you should give chrome a look, IMHO it kills firefox <dmcglone1> it's blazing fast <Cheri703> eh, I dunno <vorian> no doubt there * Cheri703 likes add-ons <dmcglone1> I only used syncing add ons with firefox <dmcglone1> bookmarks etc. <Cheri703> I use several, and it's driving me nuts that some of them don't work with the beta yet :( <dmcglone1> Only thing I will not have in chrome is read it later * Cheri703 likes tab mix plus <dmcglone1> don't need that in chrome, it's built in <Cheri703> eh <dmcglone1> and when you open a new tab, it shows all your recents in screen shot mode that you can click on <dmcglone1> it also syncs your themes <Cheri703> I don't like that screen shot thing <Cheri703> not that I'm doing sketchy things, but I don't always want the last tab opened to show up ... <dmcglone1> you can disable it <Cheri703> especially when I pop open my comp at a client location... <Cheri703> just saying <dmcglone1> true <dmcglone1> you don't have to have it, it's just a feature <Cheri703> eh * Cheri703 is loyal to ff at least for now <BiosElement> ff has nothing to be loyal too ;) <BiosElement> Mozilla seems content to stick their head in the sand and pretend they're still the best, rather then responding. If they don't get their act togeather, I don't know how long it'll even be in the running with how fast chrome is moving. <Cheri703> I don't think I'll use chrome proper...leery of reports back to google...chromium is as close as I'll get, but...until some of my preferred add-ons are available, or tab placement is more adjustable, I'm not moving. I have routines, and when they're upset, it bothers me. :/ my little ocd side. Things in chromium are way out of place for me, and it bothers me a lot :/ * Cheri703 is always amused by vlc's santa hat logo... <dmcglone1> I think chrome is gonna knock FF in the water <Cheri703> entirely possible <dmcglone1> I love the fact it just pops up faster than any app on this here computer * Cheri703 is talking to random people on the radio now :) going to go to their meeting next week <o------d------u-> paultag: trolololooooool <Cheri703> so...yep. lack of cable = watching times square stuff on a lame web broadcast and it's dumb...I'd imagine the normal tv ones are equally as dumb, but...meh <Cheri703> probably going to turn it back off til 11:55 <Cheri703> had it on earlier, couldn't take it <Unit193> Happy New Year! <Cheri703> indeed! <Unit193> "Unix *is* user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are." <Cheri703> nice <Cheri703> http://zareason.com/shop/Linux-T-shirt.html <canthus13> Heh. Even sold 'em off the employee's backs. <Cheri703> yeah <Cheri703> the women's shirt doesn't have the "or not" ;) <Cheri703> lesson: women are nicer :) <canthus13> Lesson: women are more likely to cave to pressure from others. <canthus13> :) <Cheri703> no, women are helpful and friendly: http://zareason.com/shop/Women-s-Linux-T-shirt.html <paultag> Hello, world! <Cheri703> it's aliiiiive! <paultag> It's hung over :( <Cheri703> but breathing <paultag> :) <Cheri703> still in MA? <paultag> Cheri703: yes ma'am <Cheri703> how's the vacation going? <paultag> Quite well, thanks! <paultag> I was just in the woods, it was quite nice <Cheri703> I'd imagine. today it is rainy and blechy <Cheri703> in ohio <paultag> it snowed whilst I was gone <paultag> and I had to shovel, it sucked <Cheri703> :( <Cheri703> shoveling snow is no good <paultag> it was heavy and crappy <paultag> not to mention it's like 60 degrees out <Cheri703> it snowed and it is 60? <paultag> naw, snowed a few days ago <paultag> I just got back <Cheri703> this is what you need <Cheri703> ah <Cheri703> http://www.wovel.com/ <paultag> hahaha <paultag> those things rule <Cheri703> yeah, we got one of the bent handled shovels for our house, can't afford a wovel :( <paultag> we have one of those too <paultag> but we've got lots of practice <Cheri703> heh, I'd imagine <Cheri703> our driveway is annoying and not smooth, so it makes shoveling difficult :/ #ubuntu-us-oh 2011-01-02 <vorian> paultag, found a fixor <BiosElement> Oh this is awesome <BiosElement> http://xkcd.com/838/ <BiosElement> Pure awesome #ubuntu-us-oh 2011-01-03 <Unit193> http://jokes4all.net/joke_1564.html <dmcglone> Hi everyone <Unit193> Hey dmcglone! <dmcglone> how ya doing? <Cheri703> hi <Unit193> Fine? <dmcglone> Hi Cheri703 <dmcglone> thats good Unit193 <dmcglone> anyone working any projects? <Unit193> projects? <dmcglone> yeah * Cheri703 had a project tonight that shouldn't have needed to be done... <Cheri703> since I may not have a car after tomorrow, I was getting bus route info together, the county has it laid out STUPIDLY on their site, so I got it all bundled into pdf form <dmcglone> sounds like a headache <Cheri703> yeah, maps in pdf form, routes in html pages: convert html to .ods to edit, export as pdf, combine schedule/map into individual pdfs, then combine into one honkin big one that the ubuntu driver didn't want to spool properly (spent about an hour trying to get the thing to print), gave up and printed from windows, first copy running now >.< <dmcglone> wow <Cheri703> yeah... <Cheri703> good times <Cheri703> so tomorrow is THE DISCUSSION...heh, should be interesting. I'm going with an expectation of about a 5% chance of things working out for me to stay <dmcglone> I wish you luck <Cheri703> thanks :) <Cheri703> I'm fully prepared to walk out if they try to convince me why I should budge on my non-negotiable points... * Cheri703 is going to take gloves/hat/etc because a. might have to walk a ways, b. will probably have to wait for a ride :) <dmcglone> I hope all goes well. I would hate to see you out of a job for a bit. <Cheri703> eh, I'd rather be out of a job than dealing with their craziness :/ I'm pretty sure I could get SOMETHING, might not be IT related, but any job that paid $9 or more, I'd be making slightly more in take-home pay than I make in GROSS pay now >.< so...unless they're willing to make some MAJOR changes, nope <dmcglone> lost power <Cheri703> :/ <Unit193> dmcglone: How do you like your tap water? <dmcglone> cold <dmcglone> why? <Unit193> Someone told me it tastes like bleach... <Unit193> C-Bus <Cheri703> mine was REALLY nasty and mineraly <Unit193> AEP worker... <dmcglone> the last time I drank water was in hmmm. heck i don't know how long <Unit193> I have to do a project for 4-H and I was wondering what might be a good computer one (done about 5 or 6 at this point) <Unit193> dmcglone, don't say PHP :) (kinda thinking of doing it) <Cheri703> is it an independent project? <Unit193> Yep <Unit193> Thank goodness! * Cheri703 did 4H for YEARS <dmcglone> Na I was going to say use .net ;-) <Unit193> Self-Determined: http://www.ohio4h.org/selfdetermined/ <Cheri703> yeah, that's it <Cheri703> I did a few of those <Cheri703> also: cat, woodworking, rabbit, guinea pig, bike, outdoor cooking, bird watching, uhm, some other stuff <Unit193> Been in 4-H for 13 years.... kinda ran out of projects... <Cheri703> heh, yeah <Unit193> After cloverbuds, 2 projects/year (requirement) <Cheri703> yeah <Cheri703> well, with the hands for service idea, you could work on getting computer donations/setting them up for somewhere? <Unit193> 1. Intro to comps 2. Web design #1 3. Linux 4. Web Design #2 (project #2 that year: Graphics) 5. Real world applications 6. Servers <dmcglone> I have found a couple probs with chrome! <dmcglone> 1 it will not open pdf's <dmcglone> 2. it will not post on wordpress <Cheri703> HA! <Cheri703> j/k, that sucks <dmcglone> yeah <dmcglone> oh well. anyway, I'm gonna hit the sack. I'll talk to you all later. <dmcglone> g'night everyone <Cheri703> night <Cheri703> why am I not sleeeeeepy?! <Unit193> You really should be.... <Cheri703> I know! <Cheri703> I have that thing tomorrow too... <Cheri703> I'm ok with being late though, because they were late to come pick up stuff last week <Unit193> And what can they do? fire you? <Cheri703> absolutely nothing <Unit193> Why am I not asleep?? <Cheri703> dunno, I'm reading a blog atm, then going to attempt it <Cheri703> >.< <canthus13> ? * Cheri703 feels as though she sold her soul to the devil, but still has a job :( <Cheri703> but it will be with a contract in place and making more money <Cheri703> (how much more is still tbd exactly) <Unit193> Meeting went mostly well? #ubuntu-us-oh 2011-01-04 <Cheri703> eh, they are full of crap on a TON of things, but...if I have a contract, then I'm willing to give it a shot... <dmcglone1> Hi everyone <Cheri703> hi <Unit193> Hello dmcglone1 <dmcglone1> Hi Unit193, Cheri703 I'll be back in a second <dmcglone> back. did an update, and had to reboot. doesn't linux seem to be following in M$'s footsteps <Cheri703> eh, you only really have to reboot when there's a kernel update <dmcglone> yeah <Cheri703> and you don't HAVE to reboot immediately, just if you want to hop kernels <dmcglone> true <Unit193> Cheri703: I got another P4 2.4 processor.... <Cheri703> nice <Unit193> Need 512 DDR Laptop RAM? <Cheri703> uhm, if you don't? <Unit193> Spare or currently can place in a lap? <Cheri703> would have to check the ones currently in the house to know for sure <dmcglone1> I should be here now <Unit193> Nope <dmcglone1> had to change my DNS entry <dmcglone1> I was trying googles DNS <Unit193> Don't like it? <dmcglone1> nope. it's actually slower than using my ISP's <dmcglone1> I've been eyeballing this one http://www.system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=106 <Cheri703> nice <Cheri703> did you see the one from zareason? <Cheri703> hoverboard or something I think <dmcglone1> I either want that or a netbook <dmcglone1> no do you have a link? <Cheri703> http://zareason.com/shop/Hoverboard-X30.html <dmcglone1> Thats a nice one too! <dmcglone1> only thing stopping me from buying a netbook is development <dmcglone1> Oh no, the one from zareason only has intel chips <dmcglone1> :-( <Cheri703> http://zareason.com/shop/Strata-Pro-13.html <Cheri703> why is that bad? <dmcglone1> no, I just prefer AMD :-( <Cheri703> ok <dmcglone1> but if I have to I'll get an Intel <dmcglone1> 3D ready laptop: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Toshiba+-+Satellite+Laptop+/+Intel%26%23174;+Core%26%23153;+i5+Processor+/+15.6%22+Display+/+4GB+Memory+/+640GB+Hard+Drive+-+Slate/1277619.p?id=1218246225996&skuId=1277619 <dmcglone1> freakin broken link <Cheri703> was about to say that <dmcglone1> I didn't get it all <dmcglone1> that was all of it <dmcglone1> how stupid of bestbuy <dmcglone1> I'm going to get a shower and watch tv <Cheri703> k <dmcglone> Ah all fresh and clean <dmcglone> I bet you all could smell me all the way up there :-D <Unit193> Well... the smell just went away :) <Unit193> What are you watching? <dmcglone> "all worked up" on Tru tv,but I'm not really paying much attention to it <dmcglone> Just got done writing my next blog post for tomorrow :-) <Cheri703> so I think I decided I'm going to dual boot the compaq my dad gave me <Unit193> Why? with what ones? <Cheri703> I have a compaq oem xp pro cd...and that way I can run some windows cpu heavy things without bothering my netbook <Cheri703> xp pro and ubuntu 10.10 I think <Cheri703> so long as 10.10 works properly on it <Unit193> Laptop or Desktop? (does it need ram :D ) <Cheri703> *windows only things <Cheri703> desktop, and YES <Cheri703> you said you had ddr laptop ram? <Cheri703> and that won't work in the b130, correct? <Unit193> What type? DDR laptop, yes (b130 =DDR2) <Cheri703> this: PC2-4200 DDR SDRAM SODIMMs.? <Cheri703> other laptop takes that, but not sure how many slots for it <Unit193> This desktop needs DDR... if I can't use new 1G (KTD440G/1G) it's yours <Cheri703> oh? <Unit193> If it doesn't fit the game comp (would be nice for a spare, but...) <Cheri703> well, thanks :) <Unit193> 2X 256 PC2-4200 DDR2 desktops (fit anything that needs little ram?) <Unit193> What laptop can use the DDR? <Cheri703> the grey one my husband was using thursday <Cheri703> *maybe <Cheri703> have to check on slots <Unit193> It uses WinXP? cpu-z is the tool you need <Cheri703> yeah, it's somewhere though, not sure where he put it <Cheri703> I'll dig it out tomorrow <dmcglone> night everyone <dmcglone> :-) <Unit193> bye dmcglone! <Unit193> Cheri703: Mind doing a trade for it/them? <Cheri703> maybe? <Cheri703> what did you have in mind? <Unit193> have anything you don't need I may find useful? :) <Cheri703> hmm...will have to poke around <Cheri703> I do have a few cd-rw drives laying around. a 250w (ish) power supply, have to see what else <Unit193> again, the 1G is only if it doesn't fit Zeta (oldish comp that may use SDRAM) <Cheri703> gotcha <Cheri703> np <Cheri703> I'll look around <Unit193> anything else you might need? <Cheri703> hmmmm...will ponder <Unit193> I may have a internal USB hub... <Cheri703> nice <Cheri703> I have 2 15 (maybe 17?) inch crt monitors :) not that you'd want them <Unit193> http://www.laptopmemoryupgrade.com/memory/HewlettPackardOmniBookXE2SeriesMemory.html <Unit193> That's what I have used... <Cheri703> omnibook? <Cheri703> you have one or? <Cheri703> I have some laptop ram that wouldn't fit any of the other ones here <Unit193> Can't really be upgraded... <Cheri703> ah <Cheri703> ok, so dell xps m140 only has one RAM slot and it has 512 already :/ <Unit193> I think I found it:http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/hp-omnibook-xe2-c/1707-3121_7-30074921.html <Cheri703> nice <Unit193> Not really.... slower then a turtle on a hot day.... <Cheri703> Unit193: any non-computer things you might find useful? we have random stuff sometimes. many times someone as been like, "I could really use a ____" and we've happened to have one :) <Cheri703> OH, also, good battery arrived today <Unit193> anything else I should tell friend while I'm at it? <Cheri703> uhm...no? I will check battery + not-my-charger and see how it does. other option is if you guys (either of you) have a 3 pronged pigtail sitting around (the brick > wall part of an adapter) because I have the ACTUAL charger, but only the brick to computer part :/ <Cheri703> basically this: http://www.bizrate.com/miscellaneous/oid855531865.html <Unit193> I could almost bet you money that I could get one.... <Cheri703> ok, give me a minute <Cheri703> ok, yeah, if you can get one, I have the proper dell cord instead of that crappy replacement one * Cheri703 is proud of herself :D <Unit193> That's most of the time very good, what did you do? <Cheri703> I set up a headless dual-boot machine :D I can remotely choose which OS I want, then log back into it. <Cheri703> I may be recruiting your help on putty, I've not used it before, might give it a shot <Unit193> I can't get off of it... <Cheri703> took me FOREVER to get the auto-switch-os thing working (mostly my error >.<) but it works now <Cheri703> get off of ? <Unit193> PuTTY <Cheri703> ah <Cheri703> so yeah, I might have you help me out with it :) <Unit193> KiTTY is also good... How did you do the remote OS thing? <Unit193> Grub? <Cheri703> well, there's a thing in grub, and I made it into a script, so I can set it to do a one-time boot to the other OS. then it'll boot back to ubuntu <Cheri703> and I made them both have the same ip, so I can vnc into either with the same settings <Cheri703> and I can currently ssh into the ubuntu side, but I'd like to ssh into the windows side if possible <Unit193> Yes it is <Cheri703> ok <Cheri703> sweet :D <Cheri703> not tonight, but at some point I'm going to consult your putty experience <Unit193> CopSSH/cygwin or FreeSSHd for ssh (no X :( ) <Cheri703> ok, don't tell me tonight! my brain is in weird hyper mode and adding more info at this point won't do me any good :) <thafreak> Holy crap, I haven't been on here in A WHILE <thafreak> I'm estimating atleast since Dec 22... <thafreak> I haven't been in here since last year <thafreak> Anyone around? <thafreak> Just logged into my machine at home, fired up the browser, and it still had tabs open from when I was looking up stuff for my last stupid class <thafreak> don't you hate that... <thafreak> finding browser tabs you left open, while researching crap that pissed you off... * Cheri703 is around, sortof <thafreak> Hey Cheri703, hows the job hunt going? <Cheri703> well, it looks like I'm staying, at least for a while. had a discussion with them yesterday, end result will be: actual contractor situation, on-call, more money than last year, so I'm willing to at least see if they can refrain from being insane <thafreak> excellent, that's good to hear! <deejoe> > willing to at least see if they can refrain from being insane <deejoe> more like "more willing to put up with them being insane" <Cheri703> true <deejoe> since nothing mention seems to me like a "we'll be less insane" kind of thing <deejoe> s/mention/mentioned/ <Cheri703> well, having a contract in place and being on-call will be different from "we want you to pay your own taxes but be available/working 40+ hours per week for what would be under minimum wage for a w-2 employee working 40 hours a week" <deejoe> ok, yes <deejoe> good point <Cheri703> :) <Cheri703> we'll see. how much more than last year is still tbd, but I'm holding out for a pretty substantial increase (though still way under what I "should" be making) <Cheri703> I'm honestly surprised we did alright for 2010...taxes are going to SUCK though :( didn't hold any aside last year <Cheri703> woo! my little project is coming together! * Cheri703 is pleased <deejoe> say hello to mandatory quarterly payments <Cheri703> yeah :/ <Cheri703> planning on setting aside quite a bit for it this year, and have an accountant doing my taxes this year <kyanardag> sorry, I got disconnected, I'm reposting my question (with minor typo corrections): I'm using Ubuntu 10.04 on HP Pavilion dv7 and I have ATI Mobility Radeon graphics card. I take it granted that due to driver issues suspend/resume will not work. But I saw that at System76 website they sell Linux laptops with ATI cards and everything works fine. I contacted them and they said suspend/resume issues can be resolved by fiddling with Powe <kyanardag> rManagement. Is there any expert living in Columbus who can help me fixing this issue? <Cheri703> kyanardag: just because system76 hw can suspend/resume alright, doesn't guarantee yours will. some hardware just doesn't like it. It isn't necessarily due to ATI <cheri-703> Woo Android phone <canthus13> kyanardag: suspend/resume has more to do with the BIOS than the video card. Try updating the BIOS on your machine and see if that fixes the problem. <kyanardag> canthus13, as far as I know the BIOS is up to date <canthus13> kyanardag: doublecheck anyway. THe main problem with suspend/resume is that most BIOS is a buggy mess of bandaided-together crap that caters to windows. Linux attempts to minimize problems by pretending to be Windows when talking to BIOS. <canthus13> Unfortunately, BIOS is closed-source, which means a lot of reverse-engineering and guesswork on the part of the kernel programmers. <Unit193> canthus13: can' <Unit193> t you use biosdecode? <Unit193> To see what version you have <canthus13> Unit193: Probably. I've seen some disassembled BIOS code, and it's a scary mess. <kyanardag> canthus13, i'll check it out again. so, the suspend/resume can not be corrected by a single file hiding in depths of /etc ? <canthus13> Oh. that, I dunno. most BIOS shows the version on boot and inside the CMOS setup. <canthus13> kyanardag: Depends on what's causing it. It *could*, I suppose.. I"d play around with the power management settings. I wouldn't hold out much hope, though. my wife's dv6227cl hates to suspend, no matter what I try. <canthus13> It boots fast enough that she doesn't really care, though. <Unit193> biosdecode or dmidecode may work without reboot <canthus13> bah. Freaking windows is overriding my desktop control keys. :( <canthus13> Whoah. System76 dropped their prices a LOT. my dream laptop is about 1000 bucks cheaper now.. <kyanardag> my biosdecode and dmidecode results are here: http://pastebin.com/MCYeLi05 <canthus13> Looks like F.12 I'd check HP's website and see if there's something newer. <kyanardag> HP website says completely different BIOS version: <kyanardag> WinFlash for HP Notebook System BIOS (for Notebooks with Intel Processors) 2010-07-23 , Version:F.42 A <kyanardag_> canthus13, thank you so much, i did the bios update and voila, suspend/resume works perfectly.. if you didn't tell me bios might be the problem, i would be spending hours changing files with no luck.. <thafreak> I forgot how awesome openldap can be! <Unit193> What are you using it for? <canthus13> kyanardag_: Any time. :) <canthus13> thafreak: I haven't forgotten how much of a pain in the ass <any>ldap can be. :P <canthus13> But yeah, sometimes I miss Active Directory. :) <Unit193> I think linux can connect to it... (don't need it for home) <Cheri703> so...just as a note: I'm soliciting tips/advice/whatever along the lines of either "things to do now to make your next installation easier" OR "tips for multi-booters" <canthus13> tip for multi-booters: delete windows. you'll have more hard drive space and less confusion. <Cheri703> well, yes <canthus13> Put windows inside a virtual machine where it can't hurt anything but itself. <deejoe> lvm for the win <Unit193> Can't really do that if it isn't your computer <canthus13> true. <Cheri703> the one I set up as a dual-boot is WAY too slow for a vm <Unit193> all too true... <Cheri703> I added 256 ram to it, and it's just over 512 >.< <Cheri703> 2.4 ghz 64 bit processor though...so it has some potential <Unit193> The DDR2 one? <Cheri703> uhm, I dunno? it's the desktop my dad gave me <Unit193> Ah, desktop, was thinking laptop... <Unit193> anyone try LibreOffice yet? <Cheri703> no <canthus13> 64 bit? Dual core? <Cheri703> not dual core <Cheri703> it's an old amd 64 <canthus13> And 512MB ram is too little for Vista, 7, or XPSP3. <canthus13> Oh. Cool. :) <Cheri703> yeah, I need moar ram! <canthus13> More than enough ram for a web server, though. :) <Unit193> canthus13: 512 is fine for XP... <canthus13> Not for SP3. <canthus13> It drags butt badly. <canthus13> for SP2 and earlier it's fine. * Cheri703 just pictured a computer doing the doggy butt scoot O.o <Unit193> Depends... <canthus13> Cheri703: Hehehe. <canthus13> Unit193: yes. Any windows machine old enough to come with 512MB should wear depends. <Unit193> Funny to watch WinV on a new comp with 512 :D it fails soooo bad... (doesn't MS say you can do it??) #ubuntu-us-oh 2011-01-05 <Cheri703> blarghy blargh, want to work on dual-boot machine, but place I have to sit is uncomfortable :( <canthus13> blargh. <Cheri703> just got a call from friend's sister whose blu-ray player I set up the other night :) she was getting an error message, I helped her take care of it <Cheri703> Unit193: I'm plugging in the laptop now to top off the battery, any requests on how I test it? would you prefer a "connected to wifi, streaming full-screen video, while running some sort of something in the background" or just standby? (or a battery test program if I can find one) <Cheri703> Unit193: also, as a note: mom pulled this battery out last thursday, and I just put it in, and it was fully charged, granted, it wasn't being used, but it held its charge alright (I've had old batteries that ran themselves down when sitting unused) <Unit193> I think it would be used for wifi, t-bird and FF... so I don't know what would be the best way to test it <Cheri703> ok, I'll stream a video <Cheri703> in ff <Cheri703> with several tabs open <Cheri703> and refreshing <Unit193> But I think friend is getting it (doesn't matter on the battery test side) <Cheri703> ok, either way <Cheri703> I still want to know :) <Cheri703> full brightness, wifi, streaming hulu full screen, started at 10:36 <Unit193> http://jokes4all.net/joke_1560.html <-- so true <Cheri703> 11:33, computer went into hibernate <Cheri703> so 57 minutes with full screen hulu video playing, full volume, on wifi <canthus13> Get caffeine. <canthus13> Oh. Battery test. nm <Cheri703> 1 hour for an older laptop is reasonable I'd think...perhaps <canthus13> Maxed out? Yeah... not bad. <Unit193> How hard is it to swap out the cells? <Unit193> (something I read said you could...) <canthus13> Cells? I'd just replace the battery. <canthus13> And it depends on the battery. <Unit193> Thanks for the info Cheri703! <Cheri703> sure, like I said, always good to have a reference point :) <canthus13> http://www.electronics-lab.com/articles/Li_Ion_reconstruct/ <Unit193> maybe not... <canthus13> Heh. <canthus13> Unit193: ...was it the 'Caution: Explosion Risk' notices that decided it? <stalcup> yo <canthus13> ho <Cheri703> a pirate's life for me <Unit193> canthus13: That's about it... <canthus13> Cheri703++ <Unit193> canthus13: Giving neatx a try... hopefully.... * canthus13 is using FreeNX. It works quite well. :) <thafreak> canthus13: yes, some parts of ldap *can* be a pain in the ass, but the fact that just about *ANYTHING* can use it as an auth source is pretty awesome <thafreak> Oh, and the best tools for working with ldap are still the CLI ones, which kind of sucks for most people... <deejoe> it's sort of the sendmail of directory services <deejoe> complicately powerful <deejoe> er, <deejoe> complicatedly? <deejoe> anyway, even more tangentially X is the Y of Z: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=1295 #ubuntu-us-oh 2011-01-06 <greyfox1> POP QUIZ, HOTSHOTS <Cheri703> oh? <greyfox1> I need to file a bug--my laptop monitor brightness works, but amy08@example.org. Only after I suspend & resume once. After that it's fine. <greyfox1> What package do I file that against? <greyfox1> A cookie for anyone who knows <Cheri703> hmmm...kernel perhaps? perhaps a bios issue? <greyfox1> The kernel? Intel drivers? <Cheri703> I'd vote for kernel...or power manager? <Unit193> What program do/can you use to configure it? <greyfox1> Configure what, exactly? The screen? Just the default "monitor preferences" dialog. <Cheri703> the suspend/resume settings are in power manager <Cheri703> I'd say kernel <Cheri703> the thought on power manager was because perhaps there is some box that gets ticked after a suspend/resume, but I dunno <greyfox1> Hmm, I'll have a amy08@example.org. I don't think anything there could affect the fn keys, though. <greyfox1> brb <Cheri703> hmm...longshot, but try a different keyboard layout? or assign fn to something else? <Cheri703> ok <greyfox1> Ok, so nothing apparently amiss with the power mgmt dialog. <Cheri703> :/ ok <greyfox1> Here's something interesting: when I first boot, xev reports nothing when I press fn+f6/f7 (brightness up/down) <greyfox1> but once I suspend/resume, I get plenty of output from xev like i'd expect. Hmm <greyfox1> Wish I knew exactly what this means. I guess kernel sounds like a good idea? Hmm * Cheri703 likes chocolate chip <Cheri703> :D <greyfox1> haha, well played! <greyfox1> Maybe at OLF this year :) <Cheri703> heh, sounds good :) <greyfox1> Oh shoot, check this out: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hotkeys/Troubleshooting <greyfox1> found that link in another bug report about hotkeys. Looks like troubleshooting can be a mess <Cheri703> :( <Cheri703> what model of laptop? <greyfox1> Toshiba satellite a305-s6857 <greyfox1> Weird thing is, this only just started with 10.10 <greyfox1> before, they would NEVER work <greyfox1> so, I'm a little better off at least <Cheri703> :/ so you're halfway there? <greyfox1> right <greyfox1> :D * Cheri703 is attempting to troubleshoot an ipod tonight <greyfox1> Oh yeah? What's the skinny? <Cheri703> was given to us, cuts out after a few songs, stops playing. I think it's overheating. it has a short battery life, but there is still charge when it does it. I'm willing to replace the battery, but only after I know it's not horribly damaged in some other way <Cheri703> I just popped it open, charging it now <greyfox1> You mean you didn't take it to an authorized Apple Genius (TM) ?@!?! <Cheri703> it's old <Cheri703> coworker gave it to my brother who gave it to us <Cheri703> 5th generation video ipod <greyfox1> Heh, I have one of those. <greyfox1> 30GB <greyfox1> black <Cheri703> yep <Cheri703> does it crap out? <greyfox1> No, nary a problem with it actually. <Cheri703> well, that's good :) <greyfox1> Yeah <greyfox1> I've been really gentle with it <Cheri703> I can't remember, do you dual-boot your computer? there was someone who does <greyfox1> Nope <Cheri703> probably good <Cheri703> ok <greyfox1> I'm proud to say I haven't needed to dual boot in years. I use a VM occasionally but that's it <Cheri703> nice <Cheri703> the other night I set up an older compaq (inherited from parents) as a potentially headless dual-boot <greyfox1> Ooh, interesting! I've never tried that. How did it go? <Cheri703> had a compaq OEM XP Pro cd, so figured I would take advantage of it <Cheri703> it's awesom <Cheri703> e <Cheri703> I just ssh'd into the ubuntu side and rebooted it into windows, now installing updates and such :) <greyfox1> Very cool. SSH is one of those things that is perpetually on my to-do list that I never get around to. <greyfox1> So, I'm slightly jealous. <Cheri703> I have it set up for vnc as well :) <Cheri703> SSH IS WONDERFUL <Cheri703> I love it <Cheri703> especially ssh -x <Cheri703> use that ALL the time <greyfox1> what do you use it for? <greyfox1> I mean, you personally <greyfox1> not what is it for in general <Cheri703> I use ssh -x for gnucash...it lets me keep one file in one place and I can update it from anywhere. also changing settings in things that aren't convenient from cli, I also use regular ssh for installing software, updates, etc <Cheri703> my next thing on the list is to use screen <greyfox1> That's great. I think I need to get going on stuff like that. <Cheri703> also useful for connecting to network drives, can just do "connect to server" and it'll connect <canthus13> hmm.. I think I'm gonna try grml. <canthus13> http://grml.org <Cheri703> nice <canthus13> Seeing as it's based on debian, it shouldn't be too hard to use. <canthus13> wow. I've got torrents jamming up my connection to the point where ssh between my laptop and my server is choking up. <Cheri703> heh * canthus13 thought he had that throttled. <canthus13> Dunno why I was hitting 3.6MB/sec. :P <canthus13> I set it to 2.8. <Cheri703> heh <canthus13> You're starting to sound like me there... * Cheri703 is amused <Cheri703> and I may have fixed that ipod * Cheri703 chuckles, but rarely l's-o-l * Cheri703 also hates it when people put OMG I LOLD or whatever...it's L'D O L <Cheri703> no one laugh out louds or laugh out louded * canthus13 laughs out louded. * Cheri703 's brain exploded * canthus13 grins. * canthus13 has heard someone say 'lol' out loud before.... <Cheri703> yeah, I've heard it a few times <Cheri703> part of me dies inside <canthus13> time to watch the Dr. Who christmas episode... <Cheri703> did you hear david tennant is marrying a woman who played his daughter and is actually the daughter of a previous dr who? <canthus13> Eh? No... <canthus13> Hmm.. unconfirmed rumor at the moment, it looks like. <Cheri703> hang on, let me find the link I got <Cheri703> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1343909/David-Tennant-marry-Georgia-Moffett-daughter-ex-Doctor-Who-Peter-Davison.html?ito=feeds-newsxml <Cheri703> friend in uk sent it to me * canthus13 never trusts british tabloids jounalism as a primary source. <canthus13> The daily mail is about like the Enquirer. <Cheri703> well, sure <Cheri703> dunno <Cheri703> still funny, either way he's marrying the daughter of a doctor...his or the other one <canthus13> True. <Cheri703> got 30+ minutes of playing from ipod, previous max was 15 minutes, and that was only once, after that 5 or less <Cheri703> charging it now to see total potential battery/playing time #ubuntu-us-oh 2011-01-07 <dmcglone1> Hi everyone <Cheri703> yo <dmcglone1> I'm trying to make firefox my default browser again and I can't seem to do so <Cheri703> edit > preferences somewhere <Cheri703> I think <dmcglone1> I changed to firefox in my "preferred applications" still not working. Maybe I need to log out and back in <dmcglone1> Hello Unit <Unit193> Hello dmcglone1! <Cheri703> dmcglone1: I think you'll need to mark it in firefox itself <Cheri703> hey Unit193 <Unit193> Hey Cheri703 <Unit193> Pressing the wrong button is very bad.... <dmcglone1> let me try that Cheri703 <Cheri703> try edit > preferences >advanced <dmcglone1> found it, it says "firefox is already your default browser" but when I click on links it's still opening in Chrome <Cheri703> turn it off and back on, look for a similar setting in chrome and turn it off <dmcglone1> it says it's not <dmcglone1> i'll be back <dmcglone> Ah well that didn't work <Cheri703> :( uninstall chrome? <Cheri703> why are you going back to ff? <dmcglone> it's just not all that <dmcglone> there I mean <Cheri703> yeah, I liked it at first and then found it lacking :/ <dmcglone> I uninstalled it <dmcglone> I got me a web cam last night, wondering what I can get into with it <dmcglone> :-) <dmcglone> I got skype but only got 2 friends, my mom and sister.. LOL <Cheri703> heh <dmcglone> I missed my "read it later" <dmcglone> :-) <Cheri703> heh <Cheri703> yeah, the add-ons get to you after a while <dmcglone> I wish there was as way to combine the menu bar with the bookmarks bar <Cheri703> ff4 has something I think, hang on <Cheri703> nvm <Cheri703> there are add-ons to do stuff like that <Cheri703> I looked into it when I switched back :) <dmcglone> do you recall the names of them add-ons? <Cheri703> hmm...no, search "make firefox like chrome add-on" or stuff like that <Cheri703> I don't remember <Cheri703> compact menu bar, hide title bar <Cheri703> stuff like that <dmcglone> check out compact menu bar :-) <Cheri703> that may have been it <dmcglone> I installed it, looks good <dmcglone> :-) <Unit193> Move the bookmarks next to the tools and help bar? <dmcglone> I'm trying to think of my next PHP blog lesson <Unit193> I noticed you hadn't posted.... <Cheri703> how do I force quit something? <Unit193> CTRL,ALT,ESC? <Cheri703> maybe <dmcglone> Unit193, I just posted one :-) <dmcglone> I've got an idea for tomorrow, so I'm gonna go get on my laptop and write one for tomorrow. Maybe even the next day. <canthus13> Cheri703: run xkill, click on the window. <Cheri703> ok <Cheri703> thanks <canthus13> YUp. <canthus13> ..or ps -A | grep <process>, then kill -9 <process #> <canthus13> killall <processname> might work, depending on how severely stuck it is. <Cheri703> that's a lot of steps <canthus13> depends. I kill plugin-container all the time with alt-f2, killall plugin-container <Cheri703> hmm...ok <canthus13> If I'm killing a stuck program on wife's/kids' machines, I'll ssh in and do the whole ps -A | grep... thing. <Cheri703> ah, ok <canthus13> I also use it if killall <process> doesn't work. <dmcglone1> Who goes there? * Cheri703 is around <dmcglone1> I'm waiting for an e-mail from Matthew :-) * Unit193 just watched AVP <Cheri703> nice <Unit193> Should you watch the others first? <dmcglone1> I'm going to lay down and watch tv myself. <Unit193> What one? <dmcglone1> I'm out for the night <Unit193> Night! <dmcglone1> g'night everyone <Cheri703> I've seen some of them, they don't especially appeal to me, they're cheesy <thafreak> Morning Ohio <Cheri703> hi <thafreak> so, I'm behind the times, what's the difference between arch and gentoo? <Cheri703> *shrug* I have no idea <thafreak> I get how LFS is different from gentoo, as it's just a document...but is arch only really different in that it has an "installer"? <thafreak> Hmmm... <canthus13> thafreak: LFS is a nightmare. <canthus13> But fun. :) <canthus13> thafreak: Oh. and were you going for the silent bob look? <canthus13> Arch is quite a bit different from LFS.. and Gentoo. Arch has 4 letters... Gentoo has 6. <thafreak> canthus13: yes, that was probably me dressed up for halloween...I get that I look like kevin smith alot...so it was/is the easy costume <canthus13> Nice. :) <canthus13> Cheri703: How goes? <Cheri703> eh, all kinds of things up in the air atm, trying to reinstall network manager on desktop -_- <Cheri703> it's fun when there's a dependency that doesn't exist * Cheri703 now has to reinstall on desktop :( <Cheri703> it's dumb <Cheri703> and dog is at the vet getting tests, and bosses are continuing to be crappy, husband is being pissy, so today is just kind of sucky :( sorry... <canthus13> Cheri703: All good. I'm in and out myself. #ubuntu-us-oh 2011-01-08 <dmcglone1> Hi all <Unit193> Hello dmcglone1 <Cheri703> hey dmcglone <dmcglone1> Whats up Unit193? <dmcglone1> Hi Cheri703 <Unit193> Not that much... <Unit193> you? more posts? <Unit193> :) <dmcglone1> I typed one up earlier for tomorrow, I already posted one today <dmcglone1> are you enjoying them? <Unit193> I don't do all that much with PHP.... Going to show my friend that uses it more... <dmcglone1> I've been thinking about another one, but don't know what I should cover yet <dmcglone1> I see <dmcglone1> is your friend learning PHP? <Unit193> He has used it in the past for his site... not sure if he still works on it <Unit193> I did make a simple script that writes a file with ip/user agent that VNCed into a computer and unlocked it... alone with other random ones <Unit193> ip/agent was for tracking, not for the login process <Cheri703> I think my desktop has kicked the bucket :( <dmcglone1> Unit193 cool <dmcglone1> Cheri703: oh no <Cheri703> I'm trying to reinstall, but it's having fits <Cheri703> :( <Unit193> What's crapping out? <Cheri703> well, it started being weird last night, and today I was trying to fix it and it uninstalled stuff it shouldn't have :( so now I'm reinstalling. hopefully <canthus13> Cheri703: Use a hammer. <Cheri703> might... <Cheri703> I'd think about replacing it, but have a sick dog, just spent almost $200 today on him, am going to be spending more soon, and that'll still be just figuring out what is going on :( <canthus13> Dell uses really crappy thermal compound. :( <BiosElement> This is awesome <BiosElement> http://mimiandeunice.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/ME_283_KillingScribes-640x199.png <Unit193> Cheri703: Did you endup geting SSH/PuTTY all setup? <Cheri703> no, got distracted by stupid ipod, sick dog, and desktop crapping out (am working on the reinstall now) :/ <Unit193> more issues with that ipod? U10.04? <Cheri703> yeah, and yeah <Cheri703> I put rockbox on it after it was working fine with the downgraded ipod firmware, and then husband tried it and it crapped out. then he got alllll pissy again, so I RE put the ipod firmware on it, and am going to touch up the music collection before doing anything with it again, because husband blames it on corrupted music files -_- <Cheri703> but anyway, I'd still like to <Cheri703> right now I'm using a mix of vnc and ssh <Unit193> Rockbox didn't work on ipod? that stinks.... <Cheri703> well, firmware on that one is touchy apparently, so I think that's it <Cheri703> desktop is mostly set back up...so that's good <Unit193> Is this the main? <Cheri703> yeah <Cheri703> :( <Cheri703> but it's ok <Cheri703> my patented method of partitioning makes it really easy to set back up <Cheri703> (once the thing lets me install) <Unit193> /home on one and the rest on another? <Cheri703> no / on one and storage on an ntfs drive (and symlinks from /home to storage) <Unit193> I would do the / on one and /home on another, but I have no idea how much space both woyld need... <Cheri703> I tried the /home on one, and I didn't like it <Cheri703> THIS IS NOT MY NIGHT *ANGRY FACE* <Unit193> Dare I ask? <Cheri703> dualboot machine has decided that there is no route to host -_- and I don't know why. was working earlier today before I shut it down, rebooted (headless) and now no route to host...was using it headlessly earlier without issue <Cheri703> ohhhh, wait, I might know what it is, hang on <Cheri703> ok, nvm :( <Cheri703> wow I'm annoyed <Unit193> What was it? <Cheri703> no, it didn't fix it <Cheri703> going to move it back to where the monitor is <Cheri703> back in a bit <Cheri703> o.O <Cheri703> for some reason grub had decided that it didn't want to auto-time-out and choose an os...it was just sitting at grub :( <Cheri703> fixed nwo <Cheri703> *now <Unit193> I'm glad the head is hard, but now my hand hurts.... <Cheri703> ? <Unit193> This is not working!!! *facepalm* *facepalm* *facepalm* <Cheri703> ah, gotcha <Unit193> Funny, my hand hurts more then my head :) <dmcglone> hey all, how do I chomod a directory and all the directories and files inside it? <dmcglone> chmod that is <Cheri703> uh, possibly -r ? <Cheri703> hang on, let me look <Cheri703> -R or --recursive <Cheri703> If I know what command I need, but not the details, I google "*command* manpage ubuntu" and it'll bring up what you need <dmcglone> Ah <dmcglone> I knew what command to use, just not the syntax <dmcglone> david@buddy:~/www/more old stuff$ chmod 777 -R * <Cheri703> yup <Cheri703> that's why I heart manpages :) <Cheri703> when I have no idea what command I need, they're not useful :) <dmcglone> I was using chmod 777 * <dmcglone> thinking the * would take care of all the files and folders <dmcglone> I also mistakingly used -r instead of -R <dmcglone> so that mistake got me confused <dmcglone> then I'm like, HUH? <dmcglone> lol <Cheri703> yeah, I always check, some are -r some are -R :/ <Cheri703> wish it was consistent <dmcglone> -r makes everything un-readable <Cheri703> ew <dmcglone> Ok, I gotta take a break. I'm a little burnt out <canthus13> Seems kinda silly to make everything world read/write/execute. major security issue there. <canthus13> 755 would be much safer. <dmcglone> hey guys, i'm trying to recover some data on a cd that will not auto mount, so I have to mount it by using the command: david@buddy:~$ sudo mount /dev/cdrom1 /home/david/cd <dmcglone> mount: block device /dev/sr1 is write-protected, mounting read-only but when I do this, the files are empty and I get an error : error splicing file input/output error <dmcglone> is there any way I can salvage these files? <Cheri703> hmm... <Cheri703> you could try it in a windows machine? <Cheri703> just to see if it is the cd or your drive <dmcglone> I tried, it wouldn't auto mount there either <Cheri703> hmmm <Cheri703> ok <dmcglone> I got thousands of lines of code I have written on these CD's I don't want to loose them :=( <Cheri703> definitely <Cheri703> hmm...hang on, let me see what I can find out <dmcglone> oh lord, I think I've got it <Cheri703> yeah? <dmcglone> let me try first <dmcglone> whooooo hooooo <dmcglone> lord have mercy, wrong CD <dmcglone> I am getting everything off that CD. it's going on my flash drive from now on <Cheri703> HA <dmcglone> Oh jesus thank you. I thought I was gonna have a nervous breakdown <dmcglone> I'm copying this stuff so fast I'm making a huge mess of my directories <canthus13> Wow. Ovaltine makes you gay. http://www.dumpaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/ads6.jpg <Cheri703> -_- <Unit193> dmcglone: if you need it on another one: gddrescue, mondo and safecopy might help <dmcglone> now I've got to organize all this crap <dmcglone> looking that up now Unit193, thank you. no way I could have afforded to lose this stuff <Unit193> scratch mondo - it's backup stuff <dmcglone> ok, it still may come in handy :-) <dmcglone> I have about 40 websites I created on that CD. <dmcglone> I am just lucky I had 2 copies <Unit193> testdisk is one I have used before, it seems really nice! (deleted photos off a camera) <dmcglone> What I think happened to the first one was the CD was laying on my desk and I laid my hearing aid on it and my hearing aid has a magnet on it <dmcglone> I wonder if that magnet corrupted the CD <canthus13> nah. CDs are optical, not magnetic. <dmcglone> I always thought a really strong magnet could do that. Hmmm maybe I'm thinking of something else <canthus13> Maybe something like an MRI.... <dmcglone> true <Cheri703> not useful for what you were doing, but my paper shredder can chew up cds, it's pretty impressive and fun :D <dmcglone> LOL <dmcglone> I like to play frisbee with my cd's <Cheri703> nice sparkly plasticky bits :) <canthus13> Cheri703: Ours at work has a warning not to shred babies. Or gingerbread men... I'm not sure which. <Cheri703> nice <dmcglone> My nerves are starting to calm down now :-) <dmcglone> Ok I'm done organizing everything. 81,160 files 1.3GB <Unit193> It can't be all code... <dmcglone> just about <dmcglone> except pictures and pear libs <Unit193> That's one heck of a lot of code... <dmcglone> it dates back at least 7 years though <dmcglone> some files probably only have 5 lines of code if not that <dmcglone> a lot of stuff I need to just throw away <dmcglone> I found scripts I forgot I had written <Unit193> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJixW2u4IvQ <Unit193> ^ wow... Llamas with Hats 4 .... <dmcglone> Cheri703: you buisy? <Cheri703> nope, was, but not now :) <Cheri703> what can I do for you? <dmcglone> lol <dmcglone> I need some help finding 3 dramatic lines that describes lawncare <dmcglone> something like "beautiful results" <Cheri703> hmm...will ponder <dmcglone> "crafting drama" <dmcglone> something along those lines <dmcglone> I can think of "crafting drama" "producing solutions" <dmcglone> but it doesn't really go with a lawncare company <Cheri703> ok, I will contemplate and let you know what I come up with <dmcglone> cool thanks. I'm trying to figure a way to "soften" the edges on Matt's website because he mentioned he likes things like that <dmcglone> I was thinking about having the page fade in and then have 3 small banners roll up slowly one at a time with words like "High Expectation" "Greener Lawn" "Beautiful Results" <Cheri703> kk <dmcglone> and with each quote, the background image would change to show images of his work that would pertain to the quote <dmcglone> Then at the end of the 3 quotes, I'll fade into his logo and the company name <canthus13> dmcglone: Sounds kinda like burma shave signs... #ubuntu-us-oh 2011-01-09 <Cheri703> dmcglone: as far as key words that describe matt or his business, I can come up with: trustworthy, reliable, attention to detail, passionate about lawncare, hard working <Cheri703> dmcglone: funny story: one time he stopped by to pick something up, husband didn't answer the door, matt noticed that our front walk was slightly overgrown, he pulled out the weedeater and trimmed the walk, then left :) <Cheri703> I asked him about it and he was like "I might be ocd about lawns :) ) <Cheri703> " <dmcglone> LOL Cheri703 <Cheri703> it was pretty funny <dmcglone> sounds like it <Cheri703> yeah <dmcglone> I just want to make sure he is absolutely happy with his website <dmcglone> Sometimes it takes a minute to get the creative juices flowing <dmcglone> I can't wait to show this one to you guys, this is kick ass! <Unit193> dmcglone: What is your screen res? <dmcglone> Unit193 at the moment I'm using 1024 <dmcglone> I bounce back and forth with resolutions for development <dmcglone> anyone good with the gimp? <Unit193> Was looking at the site your making (am I not supposed to?) <Unit193> Play with it... <dmcglone> I can't seem to adjust the transparency <dmcglone> you can look. doesn't bother me <dmcglone> which one was you looking at? <Unit193> Tri-city <Unit193> for the whole layer? <dmcglone> I'm working on tri-city2 <Unit193> That's what I was looking at <Unit193> There is a slider right above the layer list <dmcglone> yeah, all I want to do is fill a box with a color then drag the transparency slider lower <dmcglone> I've done it tons of times and it's not working anymore for some reason <Unit193> You have to be sitting on it (I bet you know that) <dmcglone> lol <Unit193> Just tried it and it works.... <dmcglone> see it's not working here <dmcglone> WTF??? <Unit193> close and reopen GIMP? <dmcglone> I'm gonna try and reopen <dmcglone> still not working <dmcglone> try this: fill a box with a transparent background with color #005e00 then try and drag the Opacity down and see if it works for you <dmcglone> did it work for you? <dmcglone> it's not even using the fill anymore either <Unit193> Yeah <Unit193> Sorry, wasn't watching this <dmcglone> my gimp is screwed up!!! <Unit193> Anything I can do to help? (sudo apt-get purge gimp sudo apt-get install gimp) <dmcglone> thats a shame <dmcglone> I'll probably have to try that <dmcglone>
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