#ubuntu-us-tn 2011-09-01 <pace_t_zulu> Reminder that we have a meeting tomorrow night ~23 hours from now * cyberanger enables the annoyobot <Unit193> :D * wrst installs the daily oneric or however you spell it <Unit193> Oneiric. Ubuntu? (As in, not X/K/L) <wrst> yep Unit193 its really looking much better <Unit193> Tried Lubuntu and Xubuntu earlier this week, LightDM/Ubuntu isn't so nice to Xubuntu :P <Unit193> Lubuntu Software Center isn't looking too bad for a software center! <chris4585> they really labeled it as Lubuntu Software Center? <wrst> the redo of the software center does look nice <Unit193> chris4585: LSC is the pre-name. This is some random person that wanted to do it, not the devs of lubuntu <Unit193> I've not seen the "Ubuntu Software Center" <chris4585> ah <pace_t_zulu> morning fellas <wrst> morning pace_t_zulu * cyberanger waives <cyberanger> hey pace_t_zulu & Xpistos <Xpistos> what up big pimpin/ <cyberanger> not much <pace_t_zulu> morning wrst cyberanger Xpistos <Xpistos> hey pace_t_zulu <wrst> morning <wrst> and hello Xpistos, average_guy <Xpistos> Capo <average_guy> Hey wrst. How r yu today? <wrst> doing good average_guy how is your expirement going? <average_guy> I aborted for now <average_guy> need to read sum more * cyberanger facepalms <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: I'm missing this meeting (got something every thursday now, the conflict with our meetings didn't occur til now) <cyberanger> well, shouldn't say I'm missing it, event starts at 7, seems to end by 8:30, so it's just a matter of how late I am <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: no worries <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: how long will this conflict last .... indefinitely? <pace_t_zulu> wrst: Xpistos average_guy reminder that we have a meeting at 7:30 pm Central tonight ... if you can make it :) <wrst> pace_t_zulu: will do my best still moving cleaning etc etc i may be in and out <Xpistos> pace_t_zulu: I can't I am recording tonight <Xpistos> sorry * pace_t_zulu changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-tn to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Tennessee Team IRC Channel | Next Meeting: Tonight at 7:30 PM CDT/8:30 PM EDT | Please add agenda items to the LoCo Directory Meeting Page located here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/tennessee.team/156/detail/ <pace_t_zulu> Xpistos: no worries <pace_t_zulu> Xpistos: what are you recording? <pace_t_zulu> average_guy: i'm not sure we <Xpistos> podcast <pace_t_zulu> average_guy: i'm not sure we've actually met before <pace_t_zulu> but i recognize your name in the channel <pace_t_zulu> average_guy: i'm john <Xpistos> average_guy: pace_t_zulu is the HGIC! <pace_t_zulu> Xpistos: HGIC? <pace_t_zulu> head geek in charge? <Xpistos> PING! <wrst> what does he win Xpistos? <pace_t_zulu> based on other parlance i wont repeat.... <pace_t_zulu> Xpistos' respect ... finally <pace_t_zulu> ;) <Xpistos> ouch * Xpistos wonders if anyone can reach that knife in his back <Xpistos> do any of you use Libre or Openoffice base? <wrst> Xpistos: isn't that kinda like access but worse? <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: potentially, yes, but too soon to do anything decisive atm <Xpistos> wrst: well for what I use it for it is fine <Unit193> I've used LibreOffice <Xpistos> But I think I may want it to do something It can't <pace_t_zulu> Xpistos: knife? <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: well keep us posted <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: is it a thursday night thing? or a night thing or what? <Xpistos> it was a joke <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: doesn't matter whatever it is ... just trying to figure out the extent on your schedule <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: we won't be moving our meeting time ... but worth considering if you will be unable to attend indefinitely - seeing as how active you are in the LoCo <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: as well as the fact that your are East TN PoC <pace_t_zulu> *you are <cyberanger> thursday evening, every week <cyberanger> but no saying how many will make me late, might be that I get on a minute later than everyone else for all I know <Xpistos> Can you edit a query? <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: is anyone else in east tn active? <average_guy> pace_t_zulu:Hello John :) I'm Rob in Knoxville <cyberanger> hey average_guy, that's right, we do have another member again <cyberanger> in east tenn. <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: this hasn't even started on thursday yet (something similar has on sunday, this is the first thursday, one planned last week was canceled) <cyberanger> so if I miss this one, so be it, but I think as it gets going, worst case is 10 minutes late, I don't see a youth group meeting beyond 1h 30m, (and 10 minutes to walk, under a minute to drive) <cyberanger> you know me, I step down when I see an issue (I've proven it too) this maybe isn't an issue, but I'm advising you of it in case it is <average_guy> hello cyberanger <cyberanger> average_guy: Cleveland & Maryville myself, glad we're getting some east tn members again <cyberanger> bbiab <cyberanger> errands to be done for the day <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i have no doubt that you'll do the right thing ... you always have <pace_t_zulu> average_guy: hi rob, nice to proper introductions finally :) <pace_t_zulu> average_guy: how long you been stopping in #ubuntu-us-tn <average_guy> pace_t_zulu: not too long, and I'm kinda in and out. It's good ppl with similar intersts tho. Gotta like that.. <pace_t_zulu> average_guy: that's what it's all about here <pace_t_zulu> average_guy: and we're not going to crucify you for talking about things non-ubuntu <pace_t_zulu> average_guy: we spend plenty of time "off-topic" in here :) <wrst> pace_t_zulu: we spend most time "off-topic" it seems :) <average_guy> lol <wrst> but on topic I tried out the daily of 11.10 last night, its looking good, even unity is not dog awful <wrst> i woudl even say its looking decent <wrst> *would <average_guy> My machine is too old for unity <wrst> ahh :\ <wrst> unity 2d isn't bad <Unit193> That would be kinda funny and sad to try Unity on this one... <average_guy> I don't really need/want all the eye candy <Unit193> In my mind they all have eye candy, just Kubuntu has the most <cyberanger> average_guy: and if you want proof about non-ubuntu & anti-ubuntu, ask wrst why he really likes arch & ask me why I'm into debian lately * wrst nods <cyberanger> he'll prove we do like other distros too & I'll prove some of us actually hate (hate is a such a strong word, fitting since I have such a strong dislike) recent versions of ubuntu <wrst> cyberanger: I think I'm finally getting to a level of understanding that they are all linux at the core its just a matter of what they distros put on top to make things work how they want them to work <cyberanger> wrst: yeah it really is implementation of the kernel that starts the differences (and builds from there) <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: yeah, that's the idea, make the right call, at the right time & follow through <wrst> yes cyberanger i'm not to that point yet but i'm down to config files at least :) <cyberanger> wrst: not sure you wanna be at that point, your not doing anything that custom <wrst> no cyberanger I really don't want to be, I have used a couple of custom kernels the RT (real time) for audio and I got worse performance in audio editing using it <cyberanger> even I am barely doing custom work that warrents it (becuase it's literally custom gear, special ordered chips on special ordered boards) <cyberanger> compile squid with extra flags, special wifi patches for custom atheros chips, literally no way around it (some contract work that'll pay off in mutiple ways <wrst> greetings chris4585 <average_guy> I'm ok with Ubuntu. It is a good linux to learn on. The support community is strong and the interface is windows-like enough for those who don't remember DOS. * cyberanger remembers MS-Dos, FreeDos, WinDOS & Mac <wrst> I agree average_guy <average_guy> I'm ready for a rolling distribution though <average_guy> been messing with arch <wrst> average_guy: not a real easy to use rolling distro out there, linux mint debian edition probably would be the closest * wrst thinks its in effect rolling <average_guy> yeah, I ran mint for a while <wrst> average_guy: i like mint sorta but its just a little much fluff for my liking <average_guy> mint 8 is the only version of linux I can get to work on my wife's laptop. No other distro or version. Anything besides mint 8, and the keyboard no worky <cyberanger> wrst: a little much fluff, I expected that from my mouth, not yours ;-) <wrst> cyberanger: I start out witha command prompt when i install a system too :P <average_guy> never did figure out why <average_guy> she thinks we're all computer dorks anyway <average_guy> she rocks win7 <cyberanger> wrst: thing is, you then toss in compiz & kde, I stay there a bit ;-) <wrst> ha ha no compiz or kde <wrst> not on what I actually use <wrst> its gnome-shell and clutter ;) <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: as far as i'm concerned you're still the best man for east tn poc <cyberanger> wrst: sorry, wrong clutter then ;-) * wrst agrees big time with pace_t_zulu <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: glad you think so <cyberanger> wrst: glad you agree <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: no doubt ... <cyberanger> I do serously think this is a two month concern at worst, once this thing is estlabished, the time it takes will drop some, not many youth groups run longer than an hour, if this runs over an hour & a half for the next 4 weeks, then there will be a reason to think a little harder about what needs to happen <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: and rest assured that if i have any concerns - i'll express them to you without hesitation <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: privately - of course <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: two months is not a significant concern for team meetings <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: as you've done before, no doubt about it, we know how to keep snags from holding things back now on <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: this time it is, it's two in a row, with a release in oct. <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i just that you inform us on your input (if you have any) for agenda items ahead of the meeting ... as well as read the scrollback from the meetings you miss <cyberanger> but it's two meetings in a row, I can always proxy a concern to you for the meeting <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: that'd be the best way to stay involved given your situation <cyberanger> not two months gone <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: does that sound agreeable? <cyberanger> yeah, and idk if I'm actually gonna wind up missing meetings, or just be a few minutes late (I think 10 minutes late is the more likely senario) <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: speaking of which, the cd pool item on the adgenda, if I'm not here, table it for next meeting (unless you wanna go over it) it's gonna be more critical after 11.10's release <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: we can table it <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: and just let me know if you have any 11.10 release party plans <cyberanger> atm I do not (well, none that's been gone over with others in the region) <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: that's ok ... i understand <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: let me know if you have any potential conflicts in case there is some east tn guys keen on a release party so i can give them some tentative help <cyberanger> the first weekend in Nov. has a big confrence in Nashville, PhreakNIC, was thinking that same weekend at first, but kinda nice to go to a confrence at some point this year <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: as well as what potential meeting locations youd have <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i want to attend that ... its put on by 2600, right? <cyberanger> yeah, well, nashville 2600 (loosely affilated to 2600) <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: maybe Ubuntu Tennessee could have a PhreakNIC shindig <cyberanger> not a bad idea <pace_t_zulu> unrelated to the 11.10 release <cyberanger> we have a perkins that seems to be easy to find that knoxville has used for 3 or 4 events now <pace_t_zulu> but rather meant as a means to connect to the local computing community <cyberanger> that would be a likely location, as long as there isn't a more popular request <cyberanger> I agree, best to have some connections to the local hacking & security community <cyberanger> I'm hoping after two years of conflicts (and one car wreak on the very day I was to drive there) I can finally get there <pace_t_zulu> i need to grab a bite <pace_t_zulu> afk <pace_t_zulu> hi chris4585 <chris4585> hey pace_t_zulu <pace_t_zulu> chris4585, you know we've got a meeting in <1 hour? <pace_t_zulu> average_guy cosmicpizza cyberanger excid3 Juzzy orias Svpernova09 twayneprice Unit193 wrst .... reminder that our September meeting is in ~45 minutes at 7:30 pm central #ubuntu-us-tn 2011-09-02 <average_guy> ok, got dinner out of the way <pace_t_zulu> wrst orias Svpernova09 cyberanger ... PoC ping <pace_t_zulu> is anyone here besides myself and average_guy? <average_guy> um? hullo? <pace_t_zulu> hi average guy <pace_t_zulu> just trying to figure out the turnout for our meeting <5min from now <average_guy> well, Hi! At least we're here <nathandyer> Blue leader checking in <pace_t_zulu> i suspect it may be the titans game <pace_t_zulu> hi nathandyer <pace_t_zulu> glad you could make it <nathandyer> Thanks pace_t_zulu! Happy to be here. <pace_t_zulu> brb guys ... relocating <1 mile away ... hopefully we'll have a few more arrivals <average_guy> groovy <pace_t_zulu> back <pace_t_zulu> wrst orias Svpernova09 cyberanger ping <pace_t_zulu> so nathandyer what region of tn are you in? east, west or middle? <nathandyer> I'm from East TN <pace_t_zulu> ok so you and average_guy are in the same region <pace_t_zulu> we were planning on discussing release parties tonight <average_guy> Where thee GOOD ppl are <nathandyer> The best, really, but who's keeping count? <pace_t_zulu> nathandyer and average_guy y'all both in knoxville? <average_guy> I yam <nathandyer> I'm from Elizabethton, almost as far East as possible <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger is y'alls Point of Contact for East TN <pace_t_zulu> he is in Cleveland TN <pace_t_zulu> he won't be available tonight <pace_t_zulu> due to a prior engagement <pace_t_zulu> average_guy and nathandyer, would y'all be interested in a release party for Ubuntu 11.10? <pace_t_zulu> #startmeeting <MootBot> Meeting started at 19:49. The chair is pace_t_zulu. <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] <pace_t_zulu> o/ <pace_t_zulu> [link] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/tennessee.team/156/detail/ <MootBot> LINK received: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/tennessee.team/156/detail/ <pace_t_zulu> [topic] Ubuntu 11.10 Release Parties <MootBot> New Topic: Ubuntu 11.10 Release Parties <pace_t_zulu> average_guy and nathandyer sound off if you're here - for attendance purposes <average_guy> present <nathandyer> present <average_guy> and down for a release party <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: that maybe a re-occuring thing too, but won't overlap often <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: fantastic <pace_t_zulu> nathandyer and average_guy ... cyberanger is the East TN Point of Contact <cyberanger> (if I didn't walk here, left when it ended, I'd be ontime <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: nathandyer is in Elizabethton and average_guy is in knoxville <cyberanger> but first meet, later than ususal, so I'll rea the notes <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: we just started now <cyberanger> that makes knox the middle-ish area <cyberanger> ah, good to know <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: that's where i was going with it ... so this would be more your arena <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: may i yield to you with regards to the current topic - seeing as everyone present (myself excluded) is from east tn <pace_t_zulu> [idea] knoxville is most central between cyberanger and nathandyer <MootBot> IDEA received: knoxville is most central between cyberanger and nathandyer <cyberanger> that might be a little off, for a meeting we can vary some <cyberanger> are you both wanting a release party? <nathandyer> I would like to see one, but I think it is unlikely I would be able to attend due to my current circumstances. But, who knows? <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: average_guy expressed interest ... he's in knoxville <average_guy> I think "wanting" is a strong word, but as I am new to the team, I would come check it out <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: anyone else you know of in the knoxville area? <pace_t_zulu> seems inappropriate to be planning a middle tn meeting with no other middle tn members present <cyberanger> till today I thought i was it again <cyberanger> walking back home, 10-15m <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: if it's all the same to you ... i'm considering adjourning <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: perhaps you can carry on the discussion with nathandyer and average_guy <pace_t_zulu> how do y'all feel about that? <average_guy> agreed <nathandyer> agreed <pace_t_zulu> motion to adjourn ... does anyone second that motion? <average_guy> second <pace_t_zulu> #endmeeting <MootBot> Meeting finished at 20:02. <pace_t_zulu> i'm going to watch the titans <cyberanger> halfway home <average_guy> cyberanger: whatchin doin walkin? <nathandyer> I hate to skip out, guys, but I have some stuff I have to get caught up on for tomorrow. It's been fun! <cyberanger> back <cyberanger> nathandyer: glad to see you at a meeting <average_guy> goodnite nathandyer <nathandyer> cyberanger Glad to be here! Night average_guy! <cyberanger> average_guy: the hard thing with our size still, if a single person misses, it's two at a restraunt on a day off <average_guy> no doubt <cyberanger> if two people miss, even worse <average_guy> you say THAT like it's happened <cyberanger> on top of that, if the one that shows isn't a local.... <cyberanger> well, we've had size issues in this group, big on IRC, in a very big state <cyberanger> prying that cat5e from somebody's hands to come out, transportation issues, high gas costs <average_guy> yeah, I feel ya <cyberanger> there is always a reason to expect the potential for a low turnout <cyberanger> once myself (I've been the head of east tn twice now, trustee for nearly a year in the middle) and a different head of west tn met up in middle tn <average_guy> well, here's my thing... I don't understand the point of a "release party" or this group in general really <cyberanger> we were expecting two or three more from middle tn, luckily nlug did get the news, 4 at a table, my drive met nearly every detour & delay imaginable <cyberanger> new release of ubuntu, we party, lemme fire up my main laptop (not this cli only netbook) and maybe I can help show the idea better <cyberanger> this group, that's a tricker one, means defining people <cyberanger> Unit193: fyi, pianobar on underpowered netbook, nice tunes, no flash crash <average_guy> I mean, the general goal of this group is what? Why was it created? <average_guy> Simply to advocate the use of Ubuntu in the local community? <cyberanger> well, I can tell you why we ( pace_t_zulu wrst myself & others who I don't see present tonight ) restarted the group in Dec. 2008 <cyberanger> we all had an intrest in ubuntu, and an intrest in learning, sharing & swapping expirences about our use of it <average_guy> awesome <cyberanger> there are different reasons it starts, I think you hit canonical's goal for it on the head though <average_guy> so what is the goal of a "release party" <average_guy> just to check out the new release? <cyberanger> (something some of us are willing to do, however a little reluctant I must admit myself, being that I'm not a fan of the current release) <cyberanger> well, it varies by event, in short, a celebration for another release <cyberanger> but some groups have gear they hand out (ubuntu cd's t-shirts, so on) <cyberanger> others have demo of it setup <average_guy> so, how do WE get that? <cyberanger> our attitude in knoxville towards that in the past was the simple approach, show off our setups at best, but otherwise dinner & chat, a good night offline <cyberanger> I think the release party is hard to describe due to having to be at it to help define it <average_guy> cool <cyberanger> sorta a group defines the mood <cyberanger> (I may do cd's, but can't afford cd's, shirts & gas to knoxville, gotta draw the line) <average_guy> Lol, No, you need to get cononical to come off that stuff. <cyberanger> average_guy: can you travel? <average_guy> I have a jeep <average_guy> I not rich though <wrst> cyberanger: sorry got tied up! <cyberanger> yeah, same boat, I see any travelling favors somebody here, if it was just you & me, I'd see about merging with a party due east, I'm also considering we both head to Elizabethton for the release party, if nathandyer 's circumstances are merely tranportation <cyberanger> but yeah, same boat, if I do a knox thing, it's 100mi of gas, at 16mpg, not too pretty <average_guy> I'm down for whatever <cyberanger> wrst: plans in cookeville? <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: nashville? <cyberanger> average_guy: how far is reasonable, for a decent turnout <cyberanger> (I don't mind doing it for three people with that turn out actually happening, I actually don't mind doing it for two people, but parties = crowds, we all know three's a crowd ;-)) <cyberanger> wrst: you are a TN PoC now ;-) hope you'd consider a cookeville event ;-) <average_guy> Elizabethton is pretty far <wrst> cyberanger: not for sure we gots a month let me see what can get going :) <cyberanger> wrst: seems klug has bit the bullet, and I'm getting a close view of cooklug <cyberanger> looking at boosting numbers, if we actually have an event, I wanna try and insure some turnout (esp with new intrest) <cyberanger> wrst: has cooklug actually gone quiet <cyberanger> ? <cyberanger> I mean, are they active <cyberanger> average_guy: one of the hard parts with this is we used to invite the lugs to insure a little more turn out when we were smaller, now we have one lug in east tn, here in chattanooga <cyberanger> next closest is asheville, nc or nashville, tn <cyberanger> in terms of actitivy that is <average_guy> yeah, sounds like we need more membership in east TN. <cyberanger> overall numbers vary, releases they tend to grow, holidays fellas disapper for family, summer idk, family too I guess <cyberanger> so we're kinda right there in the slow spot, whole state needs a boost <wrst> cyberanger: cooklug is pretty well quiet <wrst> but cyberanger we have quality! <cyberanger> the loco you mean, or cooklug? <wrst> loco! <wrst> cyberanger: in cooklug two of the main guys moved off including igneous who are speaking with <average_guy> I'm not really that excited about a new release either. I rode mint till the wheels fell off - support was over, couldn't get features I wanted.. I don't NEED to upgrade every 6 mo. <average_guy> why I've been interested in rolling distro's lately <average_guy> but what I've GOT it workin for me <average_guy> *is <cyberanger> wrst: ah yea, that we do, (my big mouth would like to add, more quality than unity has) <cyberanger> average_guy: debian testing (and distros based on it) are pretty close to rolling as one can get without going crazy with arch & slackware <average_guy> yeah, I'm delving into arch <average_guy> I like the idea of it <wrst> arch is actually pretty stable, but average_guy, cyberanger unity in 11.10 is really looking nice so I'm thinking by LTS time Ubuntu will hit another home run like they did with 10.04 and 8.04 <average_guy> That IS my main complaint about Ubuntu.. I don't want to keep upgrading.. I'm not really seeing any increased functionality, just different themes and visual stuff.. <average_guy> I don't care that much about how it looks <wrst> average_guy: i have to agree with you somewhat on ubuntu seems like its much more looks oriented, but to get it out to the masses a slick interface is necessary <average_guy> that is true <cyberanger> wrst: I degress, I think bugs getting fixed is a bigger priority, followed shortly by documentation for your own product <cyberanger> looks are nice, but why devote resources to it, if you don't take time to document your work <average_guy> Idk. To me, Linux is general's strength is it's stability. That's what attracts people. You can't try to compete with Apple on cool interfaces <wrst> cyberanger: can't argue there becaue ubuntu's documentation sucks <cyberanger> they moved the buttons over in 10.04, a large outroar came from it, they said it was to assist in a new notification bar, and I still have yet to see that bar <cyberanger> confuses former windows users I'm trying to convert <wrst> yeah that was i think because shuttleworth has a lust for macs <cyberanger> some interface choices seem to be counterproductive to new users too <cyberanger> average_guy: next meeting we'll see about release parties (as trustee, I was pretty insistant about community events, I'm trying to keep that same insistant requirement here, it's a good community event, near the moment everyone seems to be looking for a celebration of sorts) <average_guy> cool <cyberanger> man, just found out the thrashers moved <cyberanger> winnipeg nedded a pro team again, but it stole one of two pro rinks from me (granted the preds have been better on average it seems, I just don't like fighting my way in & out of down town) * cyberanger points out to everyone in the area, I'm a hockey nut, not a american football fan <wrst> cyberanger: didn't know the thrashers had moved, can't say atlanta is exactly a hockey hotbed <cyberanger> wrst: and the stats prove it <cyberanger> winnipeg fought for their team, and the Chairman of the NHL at that time was moving small (but dedicated) markets to warm weather cities, amoung them was atlanta <wrst> yeah didn't notice that but I don't keep up with much off season hockey short of what i hear about the preds on nashville sports talk <cyberanger> and this is just proof that guy (while I commend him for trying to export hockey further, and areas was sucessful) was a nut for dislodging great fans from their teams <cyberanger> yeah, same here (I'm looking at dates for a few months out though, but probally just gonna go with the ususal small league trip (or get lucky at a blackhawks game ;-)) <cyberanger> and noticed that looking for atlanta <cyberanger> during the season though, bam <wrst> well i'm off to bed have a good night cyberanger, average_guy <cyberanger> night wrst * cyberanger considers the same idea, tosses it around * cyberanger gets bored, grabs a tennis ball to toss instead * cyberanger gets bored again, sees a shiney penny, puts it in his wallet & goes to watch Mr. Deeds, night all <cyberanger> http://www.crackle.com/c/Mr._Deeds if anyone else wishes <Unit193> Looks like cyberanger didn't put me on anything like he said he would ;) <Xpistos> What up yo s! <cyberanger> Unit193: IRC has a problem with fine print <cyberanger> Xpistos: not much how's your day <Xpistos> not too shabby <cyberanger> Unit193: fine print: Unit193 will orginize the first tennessee loco release party in another state, failure to do so will make you my minion for life >:-) <wrst> cyberanger: I thought Unit193 was your minion anyway ? :) <cyberanger> lol * cyberanger is suprised Unit193 has yet to comment on my mininion joke * cyberanger figures he's having an offline expierence <cyberanger> XpistosAtLunch: bring me back some too * cyberanger is hungry <Unit193> I'm online now though <wrst> about time you get here to defend yourself Unit193 <Unit193> Can't, it's about 97F here and I'll be lucky to fight that off... * cyberanger laughs, gives his minion a day off, after all, I'm not running hell (and is sounds as hot as hell there ;-)) <XpistosAtLunch> Peanut butter anyone * cyberanger raises his peanut butter covered hand <Unit193> It's really funny if you read that as head... No thanks though * cyberanger couldn't find the cookie jar <cyberanger> ow, I think I bit a finger, no never mind, just a thumb, I only need one of those for the space bar <Unit193> Being in AC is so great... <cyberanger> Unit193: as somebody who (willingly, for a change) just got done walking a mile in a town ignorant of pedestrain rights under traffic laws, I agree <Xpistos> That settles it Windows 7 is stupid! <Unit193> We don't have it at home, but I don't walk places in this heat <Unit193> Xpistos: I wouldn't disagree. What's it doing? <cyberanger> Xpistos: I see a typo there, you added a 7 <Xpistos> lol <Xpistos> specifically and in general <Xpistos> Couldn't map a network drive using the Share name but could with the ip address <Xpistos> Stupid <average_guy> Why ARE you walking cyberanger? <wrst> hey average_guy hope all is going well <average_guy> Hey wrst :) Everything is coo here. How r yu? <wrst> doing good, about to have some people over so checking email etc before I disappear for the night <average_guy> Have fun wit that <wrst> will do see you later average_guy #ubuntu-us-tn 2011-09-03 <cyberanger> average_guy: fuel conservation <cyberanger> average_guy: or budget conservation, kinda take your pick this week <cyberanger> wrst: when you say it that way, sounds like you might be batman <cyberanger> I'm making sure nobody notices the secret door to the batcave tonight, but first I gotta see what the batcomputer says toinght, make sure no more important matters tonight, like a bank robbery <average_guy> That's what's up. Just wonderin if you were having car troubles. I went more then a year without a car before I got the one I have now. <average_guy> Walking got pretty old <cyberanger> same here, until fairly recentlly too <average_guy> I go out and stroll about 5 mi every morning now though just for the exercise. <average_guy> It's a bit diffrent when you don't HAVE to in the rain <average_guy> Walk is good for you! And I personally worry about the environment.. <cyberanger> while I like the enviroment, this is more about my ld habits dying hard <cyberanger> and my wallet this week * cyberanger points at the pump, nearing 4 bucks with an inbound storm making me check & double check my backup systems <wrst> hello nivik <wrst> cyberanger: who knows maybe bruce wayne is my real name <nivik> how's it going <wrst> good nivik how are you doing? <cyberanger> hey nivik <cyberanger> wrst: your a long way from wayne manor though ;-) <wrst> yeah i'm not filthy rich either :) <cyberanger> neither was bruce wayne (he was filfthy stinking rich ;-)) <wrst> ha ha i'm not that either <jfenn2199> good evening all <Unit193> Hello jfenn2199 and welcome to the Ubuntu Tennessee LoCo! Hope you enjoy your stay! <jfenn2199> Oh I'm old school just went ghost for a while <jfenn2199> but nice to have made your acquaintance Unit193 <Unit193> I figured that would be my luck, I just had to beat cyberanger to it ;) <Unit193> How you doing this hot (as in heat) night? <jfenn2199> I'm doing well and compared to earlier today when 50 of us cycling Memphian's road about 6.5 miles in triple digit temperatures this weather is perfect <Unit193> Heh. We don't have AC at home to cool off in so I wouldn't want to do that, but glad you had a great time! <jfenn2199> Oh yes especially getting to slow traffic on a road that bike lanes are presently contested on made it all the better (imagine being in a car stuck behind 50 cyclist 2 in a row on a street where business owners are screaming for shared lanes saying bike lanes are going to slow traffic) <Unit193> That might be worth it right there, but I don't have a working bike at this time to do so. My sister took a ride this morning though! <jfenn2199> well if you're in the Memphis area and have a non-working bike a friend of mine and I specialize in mobile repairs <Unit193> Heh, that I really don't, but you can ask cyber about me (I'm SURE you know him ;) ) <jfenn2199> oh yes before I went ghost I was all over the place with this team and now that I have consistent internet access I plan to again! <Unit193> That's great! pace_t is head, cyber is lead of his area, wr|st and someone else of their area and I'm sorry that I can't remember the last one, but I can grep logs if you wish to know :) <Unit193> Was picking a horror movie a bad idea at 2am? :P <jfenn2199> never <jfenn2199> night all <cyberanger> Unit193: can't believe I missed jfenn2199, but yeah, he was the PoC out west for a term, plus I think he's been a member out there for at least another year <cyberanger> hard to beat the guys who've already said it (including him) ;-) * cyberanger applauds Unit193's effort. (no jok) * cyberanger applauds Unit193's effort. (no joke) <cyberanger> Unit193: dunno if jfenn2199 had got the memo of resigning the trustee title, and pace getting it, and any election results, figure he would from the site & list <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: just got to thinking, perhaps we should email reminders & summaries for the meeting <cyberanger> seems the list has more members than any other loco asset (well, aside from launchpad's count, which I take with a grain of salt) <cyberanger> wrst: you awake? <wrst> dhey cyberanger <wrst> hmm <wrst> hey cyberanger! <cyberanger> hey wrst, rare you have a quiet morning <wrst> cyberanger: been moving stuff so not very quiet :) <cyberanger> lol, finally moving eh, bout time ;-) <wrst> how are you doing cyberanger? <wrst> been moving for a month it seems! * cyberanger pulls out the calendar, points out that's cause it's been a month ;-) <wrst> really... hmm guess it has! <cyberanger> not bad, battery seems to have died overnight (checked for any human error, switches on the lights, door ajar (leaving any door lights on) none <cyberanger> so swapping out the car battery with a stronger deep cycle (truck won't mind, neither will the battery for some short term usage) <wrst> that makes me think i gotta get a battery backup for the house <cyberanger> makes me think why have you not already? ;-) <cyberanger> (part of why I choose to standardise myself on 12vdc is this sort of thing, insured a ton of interoperability) <cyberanger> & you know me, I've got a backup plan for a backup plan <cyberanger> (just not enough cash to carry out every little plan) <wrst> cyberanger: i've seen some battery backups that people build out of deep cycle batteries have them under their house hooked into the fuse box etc etc <cyberanger> it's not like I'm filthy stinking rich like bruce wayne, with a fancy batcomputer hidden under my house that I've dubbed the batcave * cyberanger wonders if wrst notes the reference to last nights joke <wrst> ha ha cyberanger :) <cyberanger> wrst: yeah, apartment here so I can't quite do that, sorta flipped it around, laptops & netbooks battries last long enough to swap off the MAINS & onto the gelcells <wrst> i am going to have to get one just to keep my server, modem, and router up <wrst> something that will keep them up 5-10 minutes will take care of pretty much any outage we have <cyberanger> how powerful a computer? <wrst> atom processor <cyberanger> PSU rating? <wrst> hmm don't know let me check <wrst> cyberanger: 300W <cyberanger> high, but the question is actual pull <cyberanger> modem & router is easy for that margin, but I think that server needs an actual UPS, which can provide 15 minutes of juice, but can command a shutdown after that (lest you deplete the battery too far without a charge controller <cyberanger> which is a fair concern) <wrst> yeah it doesn't pullw near 300 <cyberanger> but the issue is still how much juice for how long <Unit193> I have an old APC that I have hooked up <wrst> cyberanger: I have considered a backup generator for our entire house but that gets high $$ <cyberanger> oh yeah * cyberanger says in his british accent, have you seen the price of petrol lately, it's costing me 5 quid for a liter * wrst doesn't understand british <cyberanger> quid, slang for pound (like buck for dollar here) <cyberanger> liter, metric <cyberanger> basically I said gas is high * wrst understands that much british :P <Unit193> Middle TN vs Purdue. Sorry about your loss #ubuntu-us-tn 2011-09-04 * cyberanger <chris4585> / <chris4585> <wrst> hey chris4585 * wrst thinks cyberanger was trying to express a thought? <cyberanger> hey chris4585 <cyberanger> wrst: yeah, I was thinking I've got writers block <wrst> :) <cyberanger> unfortunate thing, writers block it makes it quite hard to type what I'm thinki....... <cyberanger> wrst: how's the night going? <wrst> good cyberanger watching a little baseball, how about with you? <Unit193> Hmmm.... Seems a troll is going to keep on visiting #lubuntu-offtopic :/ <Unit193> wrst: Your team winning? <wrst> tied Unit193 * wrst is a braves fan * wrst goes to look for trolling <cyberanger> wrst: who against? <wrst> dodgers <cyberanger> and not much here, seems I gotta replace the trucks battery (not a shock, kinda knew it could be coming) <Unit193> wrst: You just had to didn't you? <cyberanger> seems the thing is too sensitive to extreme tempatures lately <Unit193> BTW, he isn't trolling now, but someone from -ops came for a visit :P <Unit193> cyberanger: Still stinkin' hot here too... <wrst> oh well i was hoping to see a show :) * cyberanger chants go dodgers <wrst> hot here also * wrst ignores cyberanger * cyberanger grabs the hockey sticks & mask & continues chanting, figuring anyone who's gotta type I'm ignoring you isn't aiming for a good job at it * cyberanger realizes writers block isn't the only issue tonight, memory too, did I say dodgers, I meant ducks ;-) * cyberanger sees wrst is better at this then first percieved <wrst> ha ha * cyberanger is hockey & computers, what's the point of this "baseball" <cyberanger> ;-) <cyberanger> man, I really really want to setup an OpenBTS station, the more I read about it, the harder it is to resist the idea <Unit193> cyberanger: Looks kinda cool, I would have to look into it to answer one question, but it's not something I'll need to setup * wrst googles OpenBTS <Juzzy> hehe <Juzzy> enough openbts and you'll have your own network :D <cyberanger> Unit193: what question? <cyberanger> wrst: what do you think <cyberanger> Juzzy: and how many is enough, the range on cell sites, one could do ;-) * cyberanger needs to quit reading, I'm getting too many ideas, my wallet can't take the abuse * cyberanger heads to the simple projects already afoot <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: what was the best standard ssh encryption you were saying the other day? <wrst> that looks cool cyberanger * wrst prepares to install 11.10 beta on bare metal * wrst is very impressed with unity's progress <chris4585> I'm probably gonna install the beta on my laptop or something #ubuntu-us-tn 2011-09-05 <wrst> chris4585: its not bad unity is still bugy some crashes in the tray etc but nothing major <chris4585> yes I've seen a bunch of articles, seems good, but dash in my opinion still needs a VERY big overhaul <chris4585> besides that I think its alright <wrst> the software center looks top rate now <wrst> and the dash is much better <wrst> i suspect by the LTS it will be very good <wrst> I still am partial to gnome shell but could use unity now <chris4585> yeah <chris4585> I just hope software center is faster <chris4585> and less buggy <wrst> seems ok, but haven't used it much <chris4585> I heard it is more snappy now, but we'll see <wrst> unity still lacking in dual montiors it just absolutely sucks because I don't want the top bar on my second monitor <wrst> nivik: howdy! <nivik> how's it goin <wrst> going good nivik, how are you? <nivik> can't complain <wrst> sure you could we all can :) just no one listens when i do :D <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: you mean the keys, RSA DSA & ECDSA or the cipher, AES TWOFISH & so on <cyberanger> wrst: what looks cool, openbts? <cyberanger> Unit193: I'm still wondering what your question is <wrst> yes cyberanger <wrst> and how are you doing? <cyberanger> wrst: not bad, just deciding which project I should save up for next * cyberanger drools a little when he looks at this HUGE list <wrst> ha ha cyberanger <wrst> cyberanger: I'm trying 11.10 beta out, they have really improved unity * cyberanger looks at his HUGE list for "try unity again", doesn't see it * cyberanger checks again, to be sure, still not seeing it * cyberanger looks for "try lubuntu again", sees it on line 200 <wrst> cyberanger: it is much improved but still got a way to go <cyberanger> wrst: wanna know the sad thing, that bit above was serious, line 200 of my projects & todo list literally says try lubuntu again <cyberanger> it's literally 250 lines (or thereabouts) long <wrst> ha ha <wrst> gnome shell is working nicely now in ubuntu so I might use it a little bit more now <Juzzy> ya gnome has improved <cyberanger> Juzzy: I take it you've looked into OpenBTS a good bit <Juzzy> semi <Juzzy> there was a huge hacker project <Juzzy> using an airplane <Juzzy> I'll go google for it in a few <Juzzy> airprobe is one of the related projects <cyberanger> not aware of anything with an airplane, knew of airprobe (and some similar bits with the ccc there in germany) <Juzzy> http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2011/07/28/flying-drone-can-crack-wifi-networks-snoop-on-cell-phones/ <Juzzy> i wonder how / if you could take like... a lake in bef <Juzzy> with a few hundred homes on it <Juzzy> and REALLY Crappy cell service. <Juzzy> pull in a land line, a t1 or such, openbts, and make a small phone network for bfe locations <Juzzy> prolly problem will be the t1 out there <Juzzy> anyways, I'm out, been a loooong day <cyberanger> Juzzy: perhaps a satellite (and I'm talking high end, not hughesnet) <cyberanger> not sure what bef or bfe stands for <cyberanger> heh, understand long days, chat later <Juzzy> bfe... <Juzzy> buttfuck ejypt <Juzzy> aka- middle of nowhere <Juzzy> we went camping today <Juzzy> the monsoon moved in on us <Juzzy> we got stuck in the mud before we could escape <Juzzy> so 9:00pm the guy who pulled us about half a mile to get where we could finially get traction <Juzzy> he lived about 10 mins down a few backroads <Juzzy> and he drove in the rain, no windshield or top on his jeep, no headlights, using 2 flashlights to see, pulled me and my kid in our van with a tailer, fun times <cyberanger> wow, that's a bit outside what I would think of as just a long day * cyberanger had actually thought of that, but didn't know how the FAA has licenses UAV's in civilian hands yet <cyberanger> I was thinking more warflying than cracking and GSM MITM attacks and so on <Unit193> cyberanger: Na, it just had something to do with current hardware and the like <Unit193> (Family so in and out at best) <cyberanger> Unit193: current hardware for OpenBTS? <Unit193> Current phone hardware. I wasn't fully alive when I first skimmed it, so I'll look later <Unit193> Well, software really <cyberanger> OpenBTS is the base station, any GSM phone (AT&T & T-Mobile, here in the us) can connect to it <cyberanger> uses some unique hardware in the computers (well, no more unique than a gps I suppose, how many computers have gps built in) <cyberanger> but nearly everything is a apt-get or tarball away <wrst> howdy orangeninja, average_guy <average_guy> How's is goin wrst? <average_guy> rainin on ya? <wrst> all day average_guy but going well :) <average_guy> Hope you enjoyed the holiday. Been a lazy day here. Me n tha fam all pretty much just layin around. <wrst> that's a good thing average_guy been doing a few things around the house but that's all for me too #ubuntu-us-tn 2011-09-06 <orangeninja> Hey wrst what's going on? <wrst> not much orangeninja how are you? <orangeninja> fine <orangeninja> just been getting somethings done around the house this weekend. <wrst> same here orangeninja, and sadly the long weekend is nearly over <orangeninja> I know:( <wrst> i am spending the rest of my night watching some baseball and locking my server down a little <wrst> chris4585: my arch install of gnome shell just got a power off thing in the menu, heard anything about that? or I'm wondering if I installed an extension by mistake? <wrst> and I did Alternate Status Menu Extension <orangeninja> wrst: I have been checking out some VPN services tonight. Trying to decide if I am going to get one. <wrst> cool orangeninja <orangeninja> If I have a VPN, I dont need a BNC for IRC right? <wrst> orangeninja: over my head there :) * wrst isn't much on networking <orangeninja> ha, me neither <wrst> orangeninja: you just wanting an always on irc ? <orangeninja> yes, I eventually want to have it running all the time and use Screen/droid to access whenever. BUt I also would not mind to hide my hostname on IRC networks I don't have cloak with, <wrst> ahh a vps would be really great for that <wrst> maybe an amazon ec2 or something <orangeninja> ill search those then. <wrst> cyberanger: has done some looking about that he would be the guy to talk to on all that fine stuff * wrst is liking unity more and more in 11.10 beta <orangeninja> made it a little better? <wrst> a LOT better orangeninja I can even use this <orangeninja> cool <wrst> and I can run gnome shell and not some hackish halfworking ppa * cyberanger is here, dealing with flooding today <chris4585> wrst, let me look <chris4585> wrst, I think one of my repos is messing up <Unit193> cyberanger: Eh, that can't be fun... There was a bathroom toilet flood at the visit with family :P <cyberanger> Unit193: http://www.newschannel9.com/news/cleveland-1004525-army-salvation.html <cyberanger> I think my photo is in there <cyberanger> idk, busy day <Unit193> Since there only seems to be one picture, it wouldn't be hard to findout if one knows you :P <cyberanger> Unit193: more than one article, hadn't gone through it yet <wrst> welcome aboard average_guy, cosmicpizza <average_guy> good morning <wrst> morning average_guy how's the week getting started for you? <average_guy> I can't complain wrst <wrst> me either average_guy <average_guy> I tried xubuntu 11.10 last night <average_guy> it didn't work though :( <wrst> average_guy: i've never been a real xfce fan or atleast in xubuntu it never seemed all that much lighter to me but I never really got into it either <average_guy> oh, I love Xfce. I don't really think it's all that much faster but it does have less of the stuff I don't need <average_guy> I like "full-featured", but I don't really care if my windows wobble and stuff like that <wrst> average_guy: I like the whole bloated thing :) <average_guy> yeah I heard ya singin praises to unity <wrst> well average_guy praises, may be a little too much but its better than it was <wrst> but it was absolute total steaming pile of poo <average_guy> I have a pretty old machine wrst. I have to run GNOME Ubuntu in "classic" mode <wrst> yeah gotcha have you tried lubuntu ? <Xpistos> Morning all <average_guy> yeah, I have. That's a little TOO light for me. <wrst> ahh gotcha average_guy :) <Xpistos> Anybody use or has used Arch? <wrst> Xpistos: I'm your guy <wrst> and chris4585 is your guy <wrst> and read the documentation!!!! <wrst> :D <Xpistos> well, i have an old tecra 8100 and I an going to give it a shot <Xpistos> looking at the beginners guide now <Xpistos> basically all i need it to do right now is boot, gui and let me read some .cbr files this week end <wrst> Xpistos: its a good distro its as little or as much as you want, but there is absolutely no hand holding in anything with it <Xpistos> Well, I am buring the iso now <Xpistos> lol <wrst> i highly suggest the net install if you can <Xpistos> I can <wrst> gets you up to date right from the start <Xpistos> I can't <wrst> and the new installer actually does do *some* hand holding <Xpistos> lol <Xpistos> "...there is absolutely no hand holding..." <wrst> the new installer is similar to installing debian, but the partitioning can be a pain in the rear <Xpistos> as I have learned <wrst> ha ha Xpistos yeah they did make the isntaller easier, but the partitioning still stinks <Xpistos> I am trying to install this with 64 of ram and 12 gb hard drive <Xpistos> let' <Xpistos> let's see what it can do <wrst> it will do fine :) now I'm not for sure about the gui part <Xpistos> well I need some type of interface so I can read the .cbr files <Xpistos> since they are comic book rars <Xpistos> burnt <Xpistos> now into the computer <wrst> Xpistos: I would suggest a very base install don't select any of the options to install anything short of the base system so its just you and a root prompt on start up <Xpistos> nothing gets selected <Xpistos> I have to select anything so I am not sure about what constitutes a "base" install <wrst> just enable base and base-devel that's all you need and of course setup your root password <Xpistos> ok, I see it now <wrst> i usually have it to download, ssh and what not but on 64MB of RAM I would start with nothing and work my way up <Xpistos> should I use grub or syslinux? <wrst> grub <Xpistos> and select base-devel
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