#ubuntu 2004-08-14 <bob2> so, do I just file bugs in bugzilla like normal, or should I ask on the list first for things I'm not sure about? <seb128> I would say to just report bugs <bob2> ok. <bob2> I just went from sid to warty, and some things seem a bit broken. <seb128> like what ? <bob2> gnome-settings daemon is segfaulting <bob2> icons on the desktop are all identical, which may be cause by the segfault <bob2> the theme spontaneously changed, which I think is a g-s-d thing, too? <seb128> yes <seb128> but you're the first to get problem with g-s-d <seb128> please provide details, at least a backtrace, or the bug report is useless <bob2> this is on ppc <seb128> yeah, you're not the only one to use it on ppc <bob2> I will, but the backtrace is a single function, 1700 times <seb128> and nobody else reported a crash <seb128> weird <bob2> yeah * bob2 runs debsums #ubuntu 2004-08-17 <rburton> afternoon all <Keybuk> evening <jdub> welcome :) <rburton> not entirely related to warty, but if grub-install takes 5 minutes to install, is this a sign that i should just retry the install :) <seb128> no <seb128> rburton here <seb128> nooooo <seb128> :) <rburton> ross was taken looonnnng ago <Kamion> sounds like it's trying to access the floppy maybe? <seb128> welcome rburton <Kamion> can you poke about on tty2 to find out what it's doing? <rburton> "probing bios devices this may take a long time" for 8 minutes now <rburton> grub --batch --no-floppy --device-map=/boot/gr[terminal ends] <rburton> called by grub-install --no-floppy (hd0) <Kamion> ugh, sounds like a grub expert is required <Kamion> (do we have one here? :-)) <jdub> lifeless is a bit of a grub <lifeless> ? <lifeless> wassup <lifeless> grub-install should be about 2 seconds lok. <lifeless> can cat /boot/grub/device.map <rburton> (hd0) /dev/hda <rburton> this is in d-i still, so /target/boot/ of course <lifeless> well, that looks about right. <lifeless> anything in dmesg ? <Kamion> (tty4) <rburton> tty4 just says info: grub things <rburton> dmesg has ntfs/reiserfs warnings about the device not being what it expects <rburton> aaaah <jdub> edd will turn up here soon too, btw <rburton> i ran grub-install myself in strace and it appears to be looping on a cp <seb128> jdub: should we rename this chan #gnome-hackers ? :) <jdub> heh <rburton> it stat64's cp, clones and then gets sigchld <rburton> right, waitpid(-1) is blocking * rburton considers rebooting and trying again * Kamion considers strace-udeb <rburton> i'm surprised strace is on this iso <Kamion> it'll just be a .deb, not a .udeb <Kamion> strace is in our base system <rburton> yeah, i just realised that <Kamion> you might be able to unpack and use it though ... <Kamion> udpkg -i might even be able to manage it <rburton> rebooting to try again :) <rburton> interesting <rburton> grub-install worked with / being ext3, failed when it was xfs <rburton> i thought d-i installed the relevant kernel for your machine. i have a p4 and its installed the 386 kernel <rburton> holy crap a lot of stuff gets installed by default :) <rburton> YOU ARE INSTALLING VIM ON A BOX OF MINE <rburton> ;) <Kamion> yes, grub needs to be updated to do special things with xfs <jdub> rburton: more like osx than debian ;) <rburton> as long as i can prune it again without some meta-package getting in the way i'm okay <jdub> yeah, you can <Kamion> should be fine, we don't generally use metapackages for installation <Keybuk> is just a task that gets installed, isn't it? <rburton> i wonder why i pressed http instead of cdrom... <rburton> curses <Kamion> aptitude -y install '~tdesktop <Kamion> ' * rburton wonders what is using python-musicbrainz <jdub> rburton: we have a selection of python modules available for great justice (and python development) <Keybuk> and because Python gives Mark a woody <lifeless> out two main weapons... <jdub> Keybuk: i'm not sure if we're meant to talk about that publically yet. <Keybuk> jdub: and I thought we were a "pants off" kind of company ... :p <jdub> heh <Kamion> Keybuk: I thought it gave him a warty <Keybuk> *groans* warty where you thinking of, that's terrible <rburton> the X keyboard layout debconf thing should give gb as an example for england as i can never remember what the code is <Kamion> ya, I think that went into a recent upload somewhere, but I don't remember whether it was unstable or warty <Keybuk> rburton: that's going to die MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!*cough*splutter* <rburton> really. <rburton> is OO.o on the CD? <rburton> awww diveintopython is on * rburton must count the RossQuotient of warty <jdub> we removed sound-juicer because it lacks quality control <jdub> ;-) <rburton> haha <rburton> i've been sent a patch to make it use the g-m profiles <rburton> must review that at some point <jdub> rad <rburton> xpdf? <jdub> gpdf still has type3 font support issues <rburton> yay, millions of parse errors from scrollkeeper <rburton> jdub, 2.8 is fixing them iirc <jdub> not type3 <jdub> it fixed OOo and locale stuff <rburton> ah balls <jdub> not sure type3 will make it <jdub> if it does, we'll switch though <seb128> no search feature neither <jdub> oh yeah, and seb wants search ;) <rburton> hm, postfix <rburton> hm <rburton> yay X mis-detected by vga card <rburton> shouldn't X by default read fonts from the deforma paths? <Kamion> rburton: OOo should be there and installed by default, yes <Kamion> the scrollkeeper bugs are being fixed but not quite there yet ... <rburton> gar, X isn't starting <rburton> nv supports the geforce4mx, right? <rburton> i'm getting garbage :( <rburton> may i request nvidia modules for the default kernel? <jdub> we're going to have some proprietary drivers, nvidia is on the list * jdub goes - have fun! <rburton> arsing arse arse <rburton> has anyone got nvidia drivers for 2.6.7 to hand? :/ * rburton misses nullmailer <rburton> from a $CORP perspective, nullmailer is very useful for desktops <Kamion> is it in universe? <rburton> dunno yet, i'm still battling X <Kamion> nullmailer | 1.00RC7-21 | warty/universe | amd64, i386, powerpc, source <rburton> ah i'll add that in a bit then <Kamion> oops, debootstrapping onto a nodev-mounted partition doesn't work very well <rburton> cursed X <rburton> huzzah <rburton> am i going mad or is nis not part of the base package set? <Kamion> it's not; it seems to be only in universe <Kamion> we might want to reconsider that <rburton> i'd say so <Kamion> it's not in blacklist.security or anything, so it might be just an oversight <rburton> whats the sources line for universe? <Kamion> deb http://ftp.no-name-yet.com/no-name-yet warty universe <rburton> ah of course <Kamion> (very untested; if it breaks you get to keep both pieces) <Kamion> I'd suggest pinning to get only individual packages from there <rburton> bug! <rburton> hostname is "sadok" but /etc/hosts still says debian <Kamion> hm, did you tell d-i that hostname in the first stage? <rburton> yeah, pretty sure <Kamion> if (verify_hostname(client->value) != 0) <Kamion> { <Kamion> debconf_subst(client, "netcfg/invalid_hostname", <Kamion> "hostname", client->value); <Kamion> debconf_input(client, "high", "netcfg/invalid_hostname"); <Kamion> debconf_go(client); <Kamion> debconf_set(client, template, "debian"); <Kamion> } <Kamion> I wonder if verify_hostname failed on whatever you set for some reason <Kamion> I think that template should perhaps be asked at priority critical, not high <Kamion> ah, did you enter a FQDN at the hostname prompt? <rburton> er, no <rburton> just sadok iirc <Kamion> hm <Kamion> hm, it allows . anyway <rburton> "nfs warning: mount older than kernel" <rburton> not seen that before <rburton> hm, X suffers from the stick alt key bug for me * Kamion is trying to figure out what will happen if I debconf_set() a question and then ask it at priority critical <rburton> b <rburton> seb128, you might want to know that thinice in warty is buggy compared to that in sid <seb128> what's the problem ? <rburton> no arrows :( <rburton> i.e. sort direction in evo mailer <seb128> sort direction ? <seb128> all looks fine with it here <rburton> no, really bust here <rburton> works with the default engine, not with thinice * rburton is very happy with Warty <seb128> :)) <Keybuk> :p <seb128> rburton: and apparently GNOME is suddently almost perfect (out of the thinice problem), nobody report bugs :-P <rburton> well of course ;) <rburton> apart from ephy using gestures by default and crashing that is <Keybuk> that's so when it crashes you can use appropriate gestures <seb128> rburton: I don't get your question, where do you want to paste ? <seb128> middle clicking in a text entry make a paste here <rburton> paste in the window <rburton> looks like the ephy schemas were not installed, none of them are registered in gconf-editor <seb128> weird <rburton> yeah <seb128> could you check the /var/lib/dpkg/info/epiphany.postinst ? <seb128> this version should have the sighup change <rburton> no gconf code at all <rburton> should i file a bug? :) <seb128> oh right <seb128> no, that's fine <seb128> I'll look on it now <seb128> when I say than nobody report bugs ... <seb128> thanks rburton :) <rburton> ...its as everyone just pokes you instead <seb128> no, almost nobody pokes me neither <rburton> well i've given you two bugs so far :) <seb128> yeah :) <rburton> third -- the clear recent documents icon in the panel is *fowl* <rburton> and the panel doesn't like against eds which is very sad <seb128> like/link ? <rburton> ha, yes <Kamion> fowl -> foul too :-) <rburton> oh god yes <rburton> what is up with my typing today :) <rburton> is there a bug tracker i can file bugs in? <seb128> yes, we have a bugzilla, hold on <rburton> i presume all bugs related to desktop integration are welcome? <seb128> all bugs are welcome <seb128> https://bugzilla.no-name-yet.com/ <rburton> ta <rburton> seb128: can i file the panel not linking to eds? :) <seb128> already fixed <rburton> cool <seb128> it's building <rburton> sticky alt key? <seb128> should be available until an hour <seb128> what about the alt key ? <rburton> when i alt-tab to a workspace, the switching popup doesn't go when i let go of alt <rburton> is there a component for bugs which don't fit into a package? <rburton> i.e. "nis should be in main" <seb128> good question <seb128> rburton: are you using alt ? or the windows key ? <rburton> windows <seb128> ok, so that's it <rburton> (my mistake, i didn't mean alt) <rburton> known? <seb128> yes <seb128> Overfiend has tagged it + help IIRC <rburton> eww <rburton> works in sid btw <seb128> weird <rburton> (on another machine, but the same config) <rburton> no component for gnome-themes btw <seb128> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=256706 <Keybuk> doesn't work in sid for me :-( * Keybuk has xlibs on permanent hold <seb128> rburton: wait for the gnome-themes, component will be added <rburton> righto, time to go. seeya'll tomorrow #ubuntu 2004-08-18 * netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> leguin.freenode.net * netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> leguin.freenode.net <rburton> so it appears that nfs-common isn't installed by default, which breaks a fair bit <seb128> morning <rburton> so as a user of the preview, is there a list i can mail? <seb128> apparently not yet ... <rburton> i've some issues which don't relate to bug components <seb128> hum, just mail me if you want <seb128> I'll follow the mail on the internal list <rburton> ok <rburton> emily84@example.com, right? <seb128> yes <Kamion> rburton: use UNKNOWN in cases where a bug component doesn't exist <Kamion> does nfs-common need to be installed by default? <rburton> ah didn't spot that component <rburton> damn non-case-senstive sort <rburton> i'd say so -- it's a small package but essential for nfs <Kamion> yeah, but nfs isn't installed by default either is it? <Kamion> it's only in Supported ... <rburton> the kernel nfs client just worked for me <bob2> seb128: gnome-settings-daemon is working! <seb128> bob2: Kamion has fixed it <bob2> Kamion: thanks a lot! <bob2> ahh <Kamion> bob2: you're welcome <Kamion> 2.7.0-0ubuntu3 * rburton considers filling a "emacs should use gtk2 frontend" bug <seb128> pfiou <seb128> I was fearing a "GIVE ME XEMACS" bug :) <rburton> i'm being good and at least trying emacs <seb128> he he :) <rburton> anyway xemacs is in universe if i give in :) <rburton> ephy still annoys me though <seb128> what's the problem ? <rburton> i miss middle-click on the New Tab button to open a new tab on the url <rburton> and it forces me to sort out my bookmarks <seb128> I don't understand this middle click stuff <seb128> middle click on a link ? it opens the link in a tab ... <rburton> no, copy a url in evo and middle click on the New Tab button <rburton> (try that in galeon) <rburton> it opens a new tab and goes to the url you copied <rburton> ditto for inside a window and on new window button <seb128> oh ok <seb128> I didn't know about this <seb128> usually I ctrl+t and paste it <rburton> thats a wasted 0.2 seconds ;) <rburton> i feel lunch coming on. i may install xemacs when i get back :) <rburton> seb128: i just restarted X and now nautilus won't show the desktop :( <seb128> arg <seb128> does it start ? <rburton> yeah, hangs it appears <rburton> gnome-background-properties is hanging too <seb128> ie: if you run "nautilus" in a xterm what happens ? <rburton> nothing interesting whatsoever <seb128> ps ax | grep hald ? <rburton> i just straced it, its blocking on a futex <rburton> hald is running <seb128> hum <seb128> the only time it was hanging here is was because of hald not running ... <rburton> hm, its blocking just after connecting to orbit <rburton> restart time <rburton> seb128: hal isn't starting :( <seb128> arg <seb128> any error ? <seb128> /usr/sbin/hald works ? <seb128> rburton: do you think we have any interest to have hal support turned on in gnome-vfs at this point ? It increases the sources of problems for no real benefit imho ... <rburton> i've not really used it, but it seems to be a bit broken still <rburton> yay, i've 4 hald processes in D state <rburton> ooh tasks in the panel. coool <seb128> :) <seb128> please report the hald problem <seb128> I'll turn off the hal support in the next upload, we don't really need it and it'll be more safe <rburton> where does hald log? <seb128> good question, I don't know ... <rburton> ah, messages <rburton> nothing useful there <rburton> i feel a reboot coming on <rburton> 3355 ? Ds 0:00 /usr/sbin/hald * rburton wonders what the s means <rburton> ah, session leader <edd> hi. fancy an installer bug report? <seb128> hey edd <seb128> all the bug reports are welcome <seb128> -> https://bugzilla.no-name-yet.com/ <edd> excellent <edd> i get an oops when booting the installer kernel :) <seb128> outch <seb128> Kamion: do you know about this problem ? <Kamion> seb128: no <rburton> seb128: is it a known bug that g-s-t doesn't know what distribution its running on? <seb128> yes <seb128> #461 <seb128> I've a quick fix ready that map warty as a debian <edd> whee. you guys totally rock. i'm very happy with what i'm seeing! <seb128> thanks :) <seb128> I've commented on your bug report about epiphany <edd> only one thing that seemed serious omission: no modem/ppp configuration? <seb128> I think it's the schema registration problem ... which version of the package did you get ? <seb128> no sure about the modem/ppp <rburton> gnome-terminal -e pppconfig? <edd> ah yeah, i had 0ubuntu1 <seb128> ok, so probably due to the schema missing <edd> just one question. my install left me with only the cdrom sources in apt/sources; should it have put http ones in there too? <seb128> that's the normal result ... but perhaps it could be nice to have an http one too <edd> i was just thinking that there was no way for me to make sure i had the latest packages before sending you a bug report, otherwise <seb128> BTW apt-setup to get it :) <seb128> yes <seb128> Kamion: we should have a http entry in the defaut sources.list ? <Kamion> no, the system should work without access to the network <seb128> at least commented ? <seb128> so people don't have to find it <seb128> yes, apt-setup do it ... :) <Kamion> ask fabio :-) <edd> it would be nice to get meeks' file selector patch into the openoffice <edd> anyway, it's friday afternoon and you guys are busy. i'm enjoying what i see so far. thanks! #ubuntu 2004-08-21 * #ubuntu [freenode-info] please register your nickname...don't forget to auto-identify! http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup <seb128> rburton, so are you coming ? <rburton> nope :( <rburton> will vino be added soon? <rburton> or is it explicitly not present? <seb128> that's a question for jdub :) <jdub> rburton: pong <jdub> /win 14 <rburton> erm, ping? <jdub> heh <jdub> rburton: vino will be in <rburton> yay <rburton> how about a viewer which works with encryption? :) <jdub> patches are in vino, right? <rburton> for a version of vncviewer sid doesn't have, yeah <jdub> ahr <jdub> ok, will have to track that <jdub> could you file a bug on the vnc package? <jdub> (not sure which is listed in bugzilla) #ubuntu 2004-08-23 <mjg59> ROCK <jdub> COCKFOSTERS <daniels> This train is for <mjg59> This train is for the GIANT ICONS * #ubuntu [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup <rburton> oh i see <rburton> all this time everyone in gnome slags my theme off <rburton> and now ubuntu uses the same colours <seb128> :) <seb128> ok <seb128> oups <seb128> morning rburton :) <rburton> morning <seb128> what's up ? <rburton> work <rburton> :( <rburton> hald crashed again, yay <seb128> I'll drop the hal support in gnome-vfs today <seb128> nautilus is broken in browser mode here <seb128> could you test on your box if you have the same problem ? <seb128> nautilus --browser and just test if it hangs <rburton> yeah. dead <seb128> ok <seb128> I'm bothering teuf about this :) <rburton> seb128: are there any changes to desktop-file-utils you've got hidden away? <rburton> i've merged your patches and am about to upload to sid <seb128> no <seb128> You've added the update-desktop <seb128> update-desktop-database <rburton> postinst? <rburton> yeah <seb128> in the postinst <seb128> ok, so that's fine <rburton> isn't marillat fun? :) <jdub> yo rburton <jdub> rburton: enjoying ubuntu? <rburton> aye <rburton> apart from super being sticky and no xemacs anyway <rburton> but i'll fix the former and get used to the latter <rburton> ephy is forcing me to sort out my bookmarks too <rburton> arse, the lisp detection mojo in desktop-file-utils is crap <rburton> i've created a no/ directory in the top level <jdub> xemac should be in universe ;) <rburton> i was trying to at least try emacs <seb128> rburton, somebody should really kick that guy *hard* * edd 's train already running 30m late <jdub> heh, d'oh <jdub> we're in the uk! <edd> yeah. cellphone coverage pretty patchy here too * edd bouncing from york to birmingham to oxford * edd attains birmingham <Keybuk> not too long then <Keybuk> check if my house is on fire on the way through -- it's by the trainline on the way out <rburton> it would be really cool if ubuntu boot knew that /usr wasn't mounted over nfs and started nis before nfs <seb128> Keybuk, we need depends in init scripts :p <Keybuk> what about pre-depends? :p <seb128> don't forget to add a Conflicts to force the update :) <Keybuk> edd: oh, random point ... we're listed as FieldWave Ltd here <edd> Keybuk: Thanks. That's actually rather useful to know :) <edd> conductor pronounces us 40m late now <Keybuk> heh <Keybuk> where abouts are you? <edd> standing still between cov and leamington <Keybuk> erk <edd> it is not a place i'd choose to stop in <jdub> pants off <jdub> edd: on yer bike! <Keybuk> bad combination ... saddle rash <rburton> would begging for the gtk+ emacs get anywhere? <Keybuk> gtk+ emacs works ... it lacks pango cuteness though <rburton> matching the gtk+ colours would be nice for now * rburton still isn't sure about emacs <Keybuk> font sizes are all off :( <Keybuk> so it takes up more room than emacs-in-gnome-terminal <Keybuk> and is thus pointless <rburton> xemacs does stuff like actually use the right mouse button for context menus <rburton> which is nice if you happen to have a hand on the mouse <seb128> stop talking about xemacs dude, we have emacs :) <fabbione> stop talking about *macs .. we have vim <rburton> ewwww <rburton> emacs is officially crap, it is refusing to open a makefile with a lisp error <seb128> rburton, I've added a build-dep on libxt-dev in warty for zenity <rburton> seb128: arse. xt-dev? i added libx11-dev <seb128> that's why I'm saying it <rburton> maybe i should setup my pbuilder <seb128> sorry, I've forgotten to give you the fix for this one * seb128 is pondering doing an upload of gnome-vfs2 without the hal support now <seb128> or maybe I should wait for the new release :) <rburton> now now now * jdub spanks ross * rburton groans in pleasure <rburton> seb128: so just libxt-dev or libxt and libx11? <seb128> libxt-dev <rburton> ta <rburton> ah it deps on libx11-dev <seb128> oh yeah <seb128> I've a fucking bug with my panels at home and here <seb128> dynamic changes doesn't work sometime <seb128> ie: if I change the width or add a panel <seb128> I need to killall gnome-panel to get the changes <seb128> the gconfs key are updated but no graphical changes <rburton> i've seen that with the typing monitor <rburton> seb128: for future note, the xmodmap line in that X sticky-super fixes the problem for me <seb128> ok <rburton> erm, emacs won't save a file it just opened <rburton> "Lisp nesting exceeds max-lisp-eval-depth" <rburton> bah <rburton> xemacs isn't installable in universe <rburton> (depends on libtiff3g still) <seb128> rburton, we have planned to speak about menu organisation during the 2 weeks <rburton> excellent <seb128> so if you have some idea please let me know <rburton> ok <rburton> maybe a system configuration menu under actions would be nice <seb128> configuration is not really an action <rburton> but its not an application either really <rburton> a system top-level a la XD2? <rburton> Applications | System | Actions <seb128> I don't like the idea to get a new menu <seb128> and System is not used enough to be in the panel <seb128> I mean you don't change your configuration every 5 minutes <rburton> right just looked at a XD2 box <rburton> they have Applications | System | Help <seb128> and where are the configuration tools ? <rburton> system has personal settings, system prefs>, then actions as usual <seb128> hum <seb128> that's an option <rburton> would a screenshot help? <seb128> yes please, still good to have <seb128> jdub, around ? <rburton> www.burtonini.com/computing/screenshots/xd2-system-menu.png <rburton> oooh ubuntu is the first g2 desktop i've used in which the logout fade isn't jerky <Oskuro> yet another channel... <Oskuro> hi guys <seb128> hey Oskuro <seb128> good place to speak about menus in warty with ross and jdub I think <seb128> but jdub seems to not be around right now <Oskuro> nod <rburton> in warty? and sid :) <rburton> and sarge :) <seb128> harder to get a result in sarge <seb128> first they have the crapy Debian menu <Oskuro> I doubt anything is happening with Sarge's menus at this point. :) <rburton> you're not determined enough <Oskuro> ross is too optimistic. :) <rburton> woot aquired gigabit to my desktop <seb128> sarge will stay in the middle of the schemas move with a crappy menu <seb128> we can't hardly do anything <seb128> can even <rburton> i count 17 packages on my box with /etc/gconf in postinst <rburton> one of which is mine, fixing <seb128> there is around 60 packagse <seb128> IIRC <seb128> I've runned an apt-file search with some sed, sort, uniq, wc magic <seb128> and it was around 60 in unstable <rburton> i guess build-depends (>= 4.2.13) is the best way of forcing the right dh_gconf <seb128> Oskuro, ? <seb128> rburton, I need we don't need to force it <seb128> it builds fine with previous one as long as you have dh_gconf <seb128> ok, schemas are not in /usr but that's not really a problem <rburton> i'm worried about an autobuilder using an old debhelper <seb128> the schema will be in /etc <seb128> no big deal <rburton> in that case i'll leave of the upload to save the buildd's time <rburton> regexxer is gtkmm, thus takes time, and doesn't have a postinst to break <seb128> ok <jdub> yeah, menus will come up in desktop vision discussion tomorrow <seb128> jdub, what's going on about desktop files ? <seb128> not sure to understand the mails on the list <rburton> gar <rburton> s-j is state D <seb128> jdub, around ? <seb128> Jeeeeeeeeeeeffffffffffff <mjg59> I'm building a kernel with all the latest nifty ACPI crack if anyone fancies testing it <mjg59> High quality rocking video resumption code that might even work <seb128> question for the sounders <seb128> did you get a mail or something like that ? <seb128> rburton, ? <Oskuro> the minimal thing we want to test for is a debhelper with dh_gconf, which was 4.1.lownumber iirc. <Oskuro> But if we're bumping versions, we might as well go for /usr/share-happy dh_gconf, which is what I've been doing lately. <rburton> seb128: was away, you said ? <seb128> did you get a mail about ubuntu/sounder/whatever ? <seb128> teuf is on the sounder list and he didn't get anything <Oskuro> if the sounder list is what you sign up emily84@example.com, I didn't get a thing either. <seb128> no <Oskuro> I've never got a mail from n-n-y. <seb128> that's a list of people interessed by testing the distro <Oskuro> hmm <Oskuro> I think Carlos added me to that list too. <rburton> seb128: nope <seb128> ok <Oskuro> If not, I should have been. <seb128> so I guess it's ok if I invite teuf here ? <seb128> jduuuuub <rburton> i've never heard of sounder until now <seb128> how have you found the chan ? and how do you get the login/pass for the archive ? <seb128> jdub directly ? <rburton> i was invited here, and what archive? <seb128> I was thinking you get a standard mail about this or something like that <rburton> jdub told me to come here <seb128> rburton, the warty repository <seb128> ok <seb128> thanks <rburton> for the iso? jdub gave me a url which wasn't protected <seb128> oh yes, we have removed the login part <seb128> I hate gaim <rburton> but i've never received a mail about ubuntu/warty/sounder/etc <seb128> you enter "/j #chan" and it displays "/j: command not supported" <seb128> that's crap <seb128> rburton, ok, fine. Thanks <seb128> GRRR, same with //j <seb128> damned, fucking soft <seb128> welcome teuf <rburton> afternoon teuf <Oskuro> hi ye <Oskuro> damn <Oskuro> teuf: <rburton> oh fun a new X <rburton> what is new? fixed sticky super? :) <teuf> hi everyone <seb128> I don't think so <seb128> rburton, nice to get packages update every 30min instead once a day, isn't it :) <rburton> yeah ;) * mjg59 watches his kernel actually build <rburton> seb128: you'll be glad to know i've fixed my missing arrows in thinice bug <rburton> user error, i had libthinice in ~/.gtk-2.0/engines/ <seb128> Oh, I've still understood the problem <rburton> so much crack left in ~ from rh9 <seb128> oh ok <seb128> that's why I didn't get it <rburton> but i wish i knew why hald and sound-juicer hung all the time <seb128> second user error after the gdm problem :) <rburton> sssh <rburton> hald and sj are both D again, dammit <seb128> rburton, I've uploaded the gnome-vfs without hal support should be available rsn <rburton> i'm doing daily reboots atm <teuf> rburton: nautilus and rhythmbox tends to hang quite a lot on my home system when I use a hal enabled gnome-vfs <rburton> hopefully its hald which is causing sj to lock <seb128> teuf, when hald is fucked nautilus just hangs <rburton> what, the HIG isn't in main? <rburton> this is an outrage! <seb128> the HIG is in debian ? <rburton> yeah <rburton> doc-gnome-hig <seb128> perhaps we could support it :) <rburton> i package all the great docs in debian, diveintopython, doc-gnome-hig, the png book <rburton> :) <rburton> i appear to have a packaging addiction. anything more than 2k i package first <seb128> it would be nice if you could make your gnome packaging policy rocks more with an update :) <rburton> ross@hactar ~/Programming/debian/pkg-gnome/tools <rburton> $ svn status <rburton> ? gnome-pkg-tools/gnome-policy.xml <rburton> i'm working on it <seb128> cool <rburton> hopefully shortly i'll have deleted enough of the clearly wrong stuff to commit it and let everyone argue about it again <seb128> ok, nice #ubuntu 2004-08-24 <rburton> seb128: should g2 in ubuntu do the magic dont-focus-window tricks? <seb128> no <rburton> ok <seb128> they are working on it, the first changes to get it are in metacity 2.8.2 but that's not working yet <seb128> BTW morning rburton :) <rburton> morning! <seb128> mornign <seb128> oups, damnit <seb128> I hate the laptops <seb128> morning teuf <rburton> seb128: join the gang, get an x-series thinkpad <rburton> all the cool people have one <seb128> ah ah ah <seb128> I don't even have a laptop in fact <rburton> so what are you typing on? <seb128> I've borrowed this one from a friend for the meeting <rburton> ah <seb128> that's not mine <seb128> that's an old pII 366 <rburton> ewww <seb128> But warty/GNOME2.7/evo1.5 run surprisly fine on it <rburton> warty is surprisingly fast <rburton> a lot faster than rh9+garnome on the same hardware <rburton> Oskuro: dude, stop slagging off our weather. british weather is fun, it keeps you on your toes :) <rburton> today its.... raining! <rburton> next day.... heat wave! #ubuntu 2004-08-25 * netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> orwell.freenode.net <rburton> seb128: sj has hung on my box, again. <rburton> state D <seb128> hum <rburton> blocking on open("/dev/hdc", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_EXCL|O_LARGEFILE) <seb128> you should kick the upstream :p <rburton> haha <rburton> i blame hald <rburton> its grabbed the CD device too but SJ wants an exclusive lock <seb128> you have the new gnome-vfs without hal support ? <rburton> urgh, hald has crashed too <rburton> yeah, i think so <rburton> 2.7.90-0ubuntu2 <seb128> so why hal is a problem !? <rburton> right, it's hald crashing and holding a lock or something on my cd drive which then causes SJ to deadlock too <rburton> what is "desktop development team goals" all about then, on monday <rburton> gar, hald has hung again <rburton> this is pissing me off now <rburton> $ uptime <rburton> 13:26:42 up 36 min, 1 user, load average: 2.08, 1.95, 1.29 <rburton> seb128: what is monday mornings discussion actually about? <rburton> (this coming monday) <seb128> let me check <seb128> you're coming ? <rburton> 90% sure i'm not, but i've been checking train times and annual leave <rburton> might just be able to pop along for a the day <rburton> i see "desktop development" <seb128> yes, I think it's a bof about the applications we want to write <rburton> ah right <seb128> probably an interesting bof <rburton> i'm wondering what day to beg for having off without using any leave <rburton> i have three days left <seb128> he goal feature should be nice too <rburton> question -- why isn't UTF the default encoding? <seb128> good question <rburton> i just discovered i was running en_GB in 8859-1 <seb128> just talking about that <seb128> rburton, we'll have a BOF about this <seb128> with Oskuro to lead it apparently :) <rburton> utf-8 to rule the world! <seb128> bah you don't care <seb128> englishs don't use non-ascii chars <jdub__> ahr #ubuntu 2004-08-27 <jdub> hi savs <savs> hi there <jdub> just got the email? :) <savs> yup ;) <jdub> you're the first to hit the channel ;) <savs> just cancelled the downloads of gentoo and sarge i was doing. you caught me on a distro day ;) <jdub> how timely :) <savs> (got novell's suse sampler a couple of days ago, been playing with that all weekend) <savs> hmm, need a faster connection ;) <savs> jdub: it's not clear from your emails etc. whether it's ok to talk in public about this? <daf> jdub: that looks like another candidate for the FAQ <jdub> yeah <jdub> savs: we'd kinda like to keep it quiet ;) <jdub> i've updated the FAQ page on the wiki <savs> jdub: no problem, i'll keep quiet except for bugging thom ;-) <jdub> that's what we do ;) <savs> heh <jdub> but you've got this channel, the wiki, the mailing list, bug tracker, etc., etc. <thom> AHR! <Keybuk> Ahoy! me 'earties! ya savvie? * ..[topic/#ubuntu:mdz_] : http://wiki.no-name-yet.com/ * ..[topic/#ubuntu:mdz_] : SSDS | http://wiki.no-name-yet.com/ <savs> hi thom <mjg59> jdub: Can you sort me out a wiki account? <Keybuk> mjg59: you just click UserPreferences and create one ... <thom> heyhi <savs> hey <jdub> yo whiprush <savs> so - what sort of feedback do you guys want on the prerelease? <jdub> stuff you think is missing, stuff not working, etc. :-) <savs> k <thom> how much jdub sucks <savs> heh. and what a pita thom is? ;) <jdub> indeed :) <thom> and how silly jdub's beard is <savs> eh, so it doesn't support wireless networks properly ... no way to specify SSID and WEP key ? <mjg59> Keybuk: I can't access the wiki at all - it throws http auth at me <Keybuk> oh <Keybuk> sounders, oink <mjg59> Ah, got it * ..[topic/#ubuntu:Keybuk] : SSDS | http://wiki.no-name-yet.com/ un: sounders, pw: oink <whiprush> jdub: hello <whiprush> just finishing up my first install <jdub> cool - pleased? <whiprush> yeah so far. <whiprush> still upgrading packages <dieman> hey all. <Keybuk> hey Scott <jdub> nice domain ;) <whiprush> so you guys want installation reports on the list or anything? <jdub> yes please <whiprush> k <jdub> though we have made some changes that are not yet built on cd * whiprush nods <jdub> (you might want to rsync against the latest daily to try it) <whiprush> k <dieman> I'll probally not touch it until monday, is my guess -- might as well get paid to look at it ;) <dieman> but its excellent timing, i was about to start getting sarge stablized for deployment at work, this gives me something else to look at and figure out what to go with. <jdub> cool <Kamion> hey dieman, good to see you <dieman> Kamion: nice to see you too. <whiprush> hmmm, is an rsync source in sources.list possible or should I just sync by hand? <dieman> wow, tracking gnome 2.8 <dieman> that might be good enough reason. <whiprush> cool, user account in the audio group by default. finally! <dieman> heh, we've been using a horribly insecure pam module to deal with permissions issues <dieman> afair, linux 2.6 has the feature to make that module secure <dieman> but i haven't looked into it <jdub> mmm, mdz was talking about that a couple of days ago <jdub> we might take advantage of that at some stage <whiprush> is this utopia out of the box? <jdub> it's largely utopia compliant, yeah :) <whiprush> ok <Kamion> apt does support rsync I believe, although I'm not sure it's really very useful over just using http <whiprush> it passes the "mount my usb key without configuring anything" test. way cool. <Kamion> where sources.list is concerned, that is <Kamion> obviously it rocks for cd images <dieman> hmm <dieman> im going to have to compare our packages list to the seeds. <dieman> and figure out whats left over <jdub> dieman: ooh, please post to the mailing list when you do <dieman> i can just about gaurantee its smaller than the list of stuff im maintaining as backports locally. <dieman> jdub: sure <jdub> dieman: just working out how we can make an easy to use list of all our supported packages for you to compare against -> easier than comparing with the seeds ;) <dieman> heh, i'm going to have to put another shout-out about nis. :) <dieman> i dont mind having to support nis locally, though <dieman> its a fairly self-standing package. <dieman> discover1 # joey_h says we absolutely need this, hotplug isn't enough <-- woo! <dieman> i'll have to see after I install it how the hotplug/discover interactions work too :) <daf> Kamion: I don't believe APT does support rsync <jdub> dieman: we basically disable discover <dieman> jdub: ahh, ok <dieman> i'll have to do some looking into hotplug then. <dieman> well, cool, this is a ton of information to pour over. <Kamion> daf: I think I was thinking of ssh <Kamion> dieman: there's a pkg-diff tool ... <Kamion> (in germinate source) <Kamion> (which you probably don't have access to, hmm) <daf> there was some noise about it some time ago, I believe, but nothing came of it <whiprush> ok, I posted my installation report to the list. #ubuntu 2004-08-28 <jdub> thanks whiprush <Reformed> Afternoon. <dieman> nice, at first look only 560 package names in difference to the 'main' archive at no-name-yet <dieman> now to weed out new libs and package renamings * #ubuntu [freenode-info] please register your nickname...don't forget to auto-identify! http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup <jdub> ahr! <rburton> aaRRRRRRrrrRR <fabbione> did robot101 left already?` <thom> fabbione: yeah, yesterday <fabbione> oh too bad... <fabbione> i didn't exchange fingerprint :-) <rburton> seb128: i want to kill hald <rburton> i want to STAB IT IN THE EYES WITH A BLUNT STICK <seb128> FEAR ROSS <rburton> mwhaaa <rburton> "contact-lookup-applet-0.7.tar.gz is ready for distribution" <rburton> yay <jdub> yay <rburton> a lookup applet which actually links against recent eds <rburton> with some *very cool new features* <rburton> of which i coded 0% <rburton> but that isn't the point * rburton has a user <seb128> great :) <seb128> rburton, so you're coming tomorrow ? <rburton> not sure yet <rburton> i've still got to ask my boss <rburton> i'll wait til he is in a good mood :) <rburton> jdub suggested thursday as a good day to come <seb128> hey <seb128> yeah <jdub> ROAR! <rburton> anyone able to test the contact-lookup-applet? i can mail a 386 deb <seb128> I could do this <rburton> hey, ubuntu has a newer eds <rburton> dammit * rburton wonders what else is out of date on his box <rburton> seb128: i'll upgrade my evo, rebuild, and then mail you the deb <seb128> ok, thanks <seb128> you don't have the sources somewhere ? <rburton> the packages is in pkg-gnome svn <rburton> moin Keybuk <Keybuk> hey-di-hey-hey <rburton> hi-de-hi! <seb128> morning Keybuk <Keybuk> seb128: bonjour, a va? <seb128> rburton, hum, I don't have a SVN tree from alioth here, time to get this I guess :) <rburton> yeah! <seb128> Keybuk, trs bien merci :) Et toi ? On parle franais aujourd'hui ? :) <rburton> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of contact-lookup-applet: <rburton> contact-lookup-applet depends on libxml2 (>= 2.6.11); however: <rburton> Version of libxml2 on system is 2.6.10-3. <rburton> c'mon guys, get with the program <rburton> your libxml2 is ooolld <Keybuk> bien aussi, merci. :o) <seb128> damn, your french is good, better than my english ... we should talk french here :) <Keybuk> lol, my french sucks; haven't spoken it with any real consistency since high school <seb128> yeah, I know that feeling :p <jdub> rburton: we froze versions a while back :) <jdub> though libxml2 should be upgraded all the time <thom> seb128: what, your french sucking? <seb128> ah ah ah * seb128 kicks thom <rburton> hm, seb128 is getting violehnt <rburton> gar <rburton> violent. maybe i won't come up :) * thom just got told off by Keybuk for that joke :-) <seb128> rburton, yeah, my brain is seriously damaged after a full week of english <rburton> haha <fabbione> elmo_l: can you install dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: tk8.3-dev <fabbione> elmo_l: on merulo sid chroot? <rburton> ewww <rburton> nautilus says a directory is of type "x-directory/normal" <rburton> i hope that gets turned into english before 2.8 <seb128> we have reached the string freeze IIRC <Keybuk> Configuration file `/etc/gconf/schemas/apps_evolution_shell-1.5.schemas' <Keybuk> ==> File on system created by you or by a script. <Keybuk> ==> File also in package provided by package maintainer. * Keybuk throws an anvil at seb128 <rburton> haha <rburton> $ ls /etc/gconf/schemas/| wc -l <rburton> 94 <rburton> on a fresh install <seb128> warty or debian ? <rburton> warty <seb128> ok <seb128> we have not moved the schemas in warty <rburton> ahok <Keybuk> why are they even changing? <seb128> Keybuk, yeah schemas in /etc is a bad idea, will be fixed but not for warty <seb128> no idea <seb128> they should never change <Keybuk> are you moving them between packages? <seb128> me ? no <seb128> but I don't package evolution :) <seb128> and I want the new evolution1.5 release packaged <seb128> new fileselector in this one <npmccallum> seb128: yeah, it looks nice too :0 <rburton> will ubuntu have a fixed printscreen key in X? <seb128> ask fabbione <fabbione> only if Debian will. <seb128> I've pointed the bugzilla comments <rburton> i hope debian will <fabbione> i am not too happy to change xbd stuff <rburton> sticky super key is a pita <rburton> i don't really see how kde managed to popup on press as for a very long time super has been a modifier for me <rburton> seb128: haha <seb128> I don't like to hurt the autobuilder for a such tiny change :) <rburton> fair point, oo.o is massive <rburton> how long is a build these days? <seb128> I don't know <seb128> but I don't even want to try on my laptop <seb128> (a pII366) <seb128> and no, that's not fun :p * rburton watches the buildd log download <rburton> Build needed 11:44:05, 1519568k disk space <rburton> on ppc <rburton> thom: so how does laptop-detect work? <thom> rburton: with some nasty sed and grep <rburton> sed and grepping what? <thom> dmidecode output, then checking for acpi batteries <rburton> cunning <thom> it seems to work mostly <rburton> would you appreciate me testing it on my x22? <thom> yes please <rburton> # /usr/sbin/laptop-detect <rburton> We're a laptop <rburton> wow, dmidecode is fun <rburton> i can find out my model number again now, the label has worn off the bottom <thom> yeah <thom> it's a pretty neat hack <thom> shame its output is freetext, really <rburton> yeah <mjg59> I love my dodgy heuristics <dieman> takes so long to download the iso :) * thom grins at mjg59 <thom> speaking of which, I should go back to discover <mdz_> thom: grr <dieman> heh <dieman> i've not yet used discover 2.x on anything <dieman> well, my laptop, but i mean in production <thom> or one of the many other tasks my fearless CTO has dumped on me :p <dieman> im going to get ubuntu setup at work today and start trying to see if any of these non-free apps we have hate it <mdz_> there's no dumping around here <mdz_> only volunteering <dieman> ive got some 'real' work to do this week too though <mdz_> sometimes of the compulsory variety <thom> "sometimes"? ;P <dieman> oo. only 2 minutes to go #ubuntu 2004-08-29 <HrdwrBoB> wrong button. <dieman> heh <dieman> not much action today <HrdwrBoB> I'm busy with work, though I need to install it on this PC on my SATA drive (assuming things don't go pear shaped, which they will) <jdub> rburton: you coming today or thursday? <rburton> maybe thursday <rburton> but i'm not sure if i can come yet <rburton> *too* much work <rburton> i'll be good and mail an install report though <rburton> initscripts is being held back due to lsb-base, this normal for now? <thom> yep <seb128> morning thom <rburton> hm, how do i print the packages i've got installed which are from universe <seb128> apt-show-versions ? <rburton> hm <rburton> gossip used to be in universe, i'm sure <rburton> has it been moved into main recently? <jdub> gossip was in supported <jdub> for, like, ever <rburton> hm <rburton> i swear i had to add universe to get stuff <rburton> aha <rburton> $ apt-show-versions nis <rburton> nis/warty uptodate 3.11-3 <rburton> nis is in universe <thom> apt-cache policy nis ? <rburton> 600 http://ftp.no-name-yet.com warty/universe Packages <jdub> rburton: we're considering shifting it <rburton> can't figure out a way of listing a packages from warty/universe <jdub> how do you mean? apt-cache show, or...? <seb128> rburton, apt-show-versions ? Or I don't understand the question <rburton> i was hoping apt-show-versions would show universe <rburton> but it always says warty <seb128> oh yes <seb128> warty/main warty/universe <seb128> still warty <seb128> hum <rburton> yay <rburton> i'm hopefully coming thursday <seb128> <jdub>ROCK&ROLL</jdub> :) <thom> rocool <thom> heh, missed that tab then <rburton> rock on <rburton> company is treating the conf as work <rburton> see y'all thursday <seb128> :)) <rburton> i wonder if my ipod would work out of the box in warty <rburton> this shall be fun :) * rburton saves all work, runs sync <rburton> oh look, hald has locked <rburton> ffs <seb128> again ? <rburton> yeah <rburton> hald and sj don't agree on something <rburton> i thought 2.6.7 automagically added the dev entries for firewire disks <rburton> seb128: my record. 40 minutes of uptime and hald has locked <rburton> just mailed davidz about it <Md> lamont__: will postfix be the default MTA? <Md> * Disable the gdm face configuration menu item. <Md> why this? <Md> lamont__: nevermind, I have found the packages list... <Md> who do I need to talk with to have the pppoe package removed? it's deprecated and me (ppp maintainer) and its maintainer agreed to have it removed from debian/base, but it was already frozen <seb128> rburton, hum, be carefull when you come, thom is getting mad apparently :) <rburton> heh * rburton loves apache <thom> better * mako waves to everyone <rburton> whats this monthly calendar background in artwork about? * rburton is confused by it <thom> magic background <rburton> a cunning script will change the symlink over time to match the seasons? <seb128> rburton, I did the new one in warty for ncb :p <rburton> seb128: good news is that my hald bug might be a kernel bug <jdub> Md: hi there <jdub> Md: please mail the sounders list -> we should really look at that <fabbione> Hi Md <Md> jdub: I do not really want subscribing to YAML. I added a note in the wiki earlier today <lamont> b-dude <Keybuk> bdale! <jdub> yo bdale <thom> hey bdale <dieman> heh <dieman> hey bdale <dieman> (might as well join in here) <lamont> hi scott <dieman> hey <dieman> hows it going? <lamont> doing well I think. <lamont> brb * bdale bows to the assemblage <bdale> isos downloading, eta an hour and change <jdub> bdale: you might just get to it before lamont's winona does, then ;-) <lamont> jdub: she doesn't get to until I get home. <jdub> shush now, i'm inciting competition :) * bdale may not get to it until much later, but it's more likely to happen if the bits are a cd-r burn away... ;-) <bdale> I'm currently updating my Amanda cell server from woody to sarge... crufty old box. <bdale> (overclocked dual pentium pro, etc etc) <dieman> there we go, went through the 'last week in spam' and got it all bounced into dspam now <dieman> hopefully that will help <bdale> if Mark happens to be near any of you, tell him to read his email before calling me. <Keybuk> heh, ok <thom> he's in something of a meeting currently <thom> bdale: caught him just as he was pulling out his phone to call you *g* <thom> bdale: mark's not on irc, would you prefer to speak when your conf call is done? <bdale> downloads finished... still on the phone. <Keybuk> heh <Keybuk> Mark's run off #ubuntu 2004-08-30 <daniels> bdale: yo dude * dieman perks up <dieman> i should go to sleep soon though <bdale> daniels: dude <daniels> bdale: 'sup? <bdale> daniels: been fun watching the .us and .au swimmers duke it out in the Olympic swim meet... <hrdwrbob_> yeah US won the 4x200 by .13 iirc * bdale nods ... hell of a race <daniels> *shakes fist* <bdale> I spent some time in Greece in 1979, including walking around the emily84@example.com. Adds an interesting extra dimension to watching the coverage. <daniels> cool :) <daniels> so did they finish the pool, or did they just find a local pond? <bdale> the pool looks pretty good. a couple of broken records, so the water musn't be too hard... ;-) <hrdwrbob_> haha <hrdwrbob_> maybe they are using lighter water! <hrdwrbob_> cheating greeks! <bdale> now, now... * bdale is watching the shotput coverage from Olympia via satellite... * hrdwrbob_ is watching sfa <hrdwrbob_> well, watching this CD burn <bdale> "they wanted to hold the discus competition here, but the modern athletes would have thrown it out of the stadium..." <hrdwrbob_> haha <hrdwrbob_> I am retreiving a shiny.. 850mb hdd ro install ubuntu on tonight <daniels> 850mb? <daniels> i'm not sure you can even install on that <daniels> bdale: heh <hrdwrbob_> well, we'll see :) <hrdwrbob_> P133/32mb <daniels> jesus man <daniels> do you actually own a computer? :P <hrdwrbob_> haha well I have an XP2000 an XP2800 and a duron 1400 <hrdwrbob_> nah I'm going to try installing it to my SATA drive also <[lsd] > hehe <[lsd] > installing it in vpc on my tibook would be quicker <daniels> heh <thom> good morning! * jdub stretches and attempts to not yawn <daniels> morning <Keybuk> good morning Mr. Stone <rburton> moin seb128 <thom> hey glynn,
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