#ubuntu-translators 2011-01-01 <trijntje> Hi all, I was wondering whether someone could help me merge two po files in a certain way <trijntje> The one file contains a completed translation for an older version <trijntje> the second file holds the same strings, but now with corrections for typo's etc <trijntje> I want the translations from the first file to show up in the second file marked 'fuzzy' so we can review if the changes are minor or big, is there a way to do this? #ubuntu-translators 2011-01-02 <trijntje> this is weird, launchpad doesnt show a 'save' button for the last 10 strings in chromium.. <askhl> trijntje, I've seen that once before. But in a different place <askhl> trijntje, what happens if you load the page in e.g. a new tab? <askhl> (if that doesn't help, I'd try to change the batch size) <trijntje> https://translations.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/translations/+pots/webkit-strings/nl/+translate?show=untranslated <trijntje> well, i can translated 5 more when I put the batch size to 5, but thats not really helping :P <trijntje> ill just ignore it for a bit and see if it goes away on itself <askhl> trijntje, view and translate the strings individually <trijntje> thats a good idea <trijntje> askhl, it looks like the very long description for one of the strings pushed the 'save' button out of the browser window <askhl> Oh, interesting #ubuntu-translators 2011-01-03 <dpm> good morning and happy new year everyone! :) <andrejz> morning :) <arjunaraoc> Hi, want to test updated open office translation, how do i get the new mo files into ubuntu? <arjunaraoc_> Hi, want to test updated open office translation, how do i get the new mo files into ubuntu? <arjunaraoc_> Hi, want to test updated open office translation, how do i get the new mo files into ubuntu? <dpm> arjunaraoc, could you give us a bit more info? (i.e. is this a new translation, for which language, which openoffice version, etc?) <arjunaraoc_> hi dpm <dpm> btw, no need to ask 3 times ;) <arjunaraoc_> sorry trying new chat tool and facing problems <dpm> no worries :) <arjunaraoc_> i will drop xchat and rejoin over chatzilla <arjunaraoc> hi dpm, I found bugs in OO3.2 Telugu translations. I updated translation strings locally. I have generated directory with mo files. How do I install on ubuntu for local testing before submisison to Libo/OOo <yurchor> arjunaraoc: Please read this: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Translation:General_Information#Generate_GSI.2FSDF_file_from_translated_PO_files <dpm> in general openoffice translations come straight from the upstream package, and they are not mo files. openoffice uses its own translation system ^ <arjunaraoc> thx yurchor, dpm. It means that I can't test locally the updated translation, without an updated build from OOO/LibO <arjunaraoc> am i right? <dpm> arjunaraoc, correct <yurchor> arjunaraoc: No. You can test it <arjunaraoc> :-( <happyaron> hey dpm, I'm curious about what to do with libreoffice in the future. I'm not sure whether it will be shippt with natty, but it is determined to be there someday. * happyaron shipt -> shipped <yurchor> arjunaraoc: It is enough to install Translate Toolkit and use it in a right way. <dpm> hey happyaron :) I'm not sure, either. I'm not up to date with the situation with LibO, so I'd recommend asking at #ubuntu-desktop. In any case, we still don't have a dedicated maintainer for the office stack, so this makes things a bit more difficult <arjunaraoc> yurchor I have to make lot of corrections. As OO core consists of over 21K strings, I thought I will check for consistency before submission. <arjunaraoc> The translations of formula related files is confusing <happyaron> see, LO is still stucked with xliff files, at least for 3.3 release. It was and is a nightmare... <dpm> happyaron, xliff? <happyaron> dpm: yes, .xlf <dpm> happyaron, I haven't been following LibO/OO.o development recently, so did they switch from GSI/SDF to xliff? <happyaron> dpm: no, they use a mixture of sdf, xliff and gettext now <dpm> happyaron, what do you mean a mixture? Which part of LibO/Oo.o uses which format? <happyaron> dpm: lo-build use po, docs use xliff, other parts seems to be sdf <dpm> oh dear <happyaron> dpm: for LO extensions, I'm not sure what format they are using. The suffix is .properties <happyaron> real mess <dpm> .properties I guess are java/javascript properties definitions, the same as Firefox <happyaron> perhaps, but not sure. <happyaron> the good thing is translation-tookit has a tool to handle those formats, the bad thing is the tool does not generate valid po files, :( <askhl_> dpm, we were previously talking about the ubuntu translators' tools ( https://code.launchpad.net/~glatzor/ubuntu-translator-tools/main ) and that it would be good to have some ubuntu packages. I've compiled a package and published it for lucid, maverick and natty: https://launchpad.net/~askhl/+archive/ppa/ . <andrejz> @ashkl_ : what do these tools do ? <askhl_> andrejz, it's a tool to search for strings in the installed langpack(s), which is useful for finding out which template a particular string comes from <askhl_> andrejz, there's also a tool to diff po-files <askhl_> (andrejz, in case you're interested I also work on some other po-file related tools found on https://launchpad.net/pyg3t ) <dpm> askhl_, that's awesome, good work!. I'd also recommend asking around on #ubuntu-motu to see if someone would like to sponsor your packages to the universe repositories, so they can be available to anyone without subscribing to the ppa <andrejz> askhl_ : looks really useful, I will definetly look at it <askhl_> andrejz, if there's any particular thing you would like to do with a po-file, I'm always looking for excuses to implement something useful <askhl_> dpm, done <andrejz> a lot of times when i am searching for some strings with non proper terminology <askhl_> could you elaborate? <andrejz> i have problems because often words have a line _ in between (for keyborad shortcuts) so i cannot find them <andrejz> i want to find Executre <andrejz> Executre <askhl> andrejz: that's handled by gtgrep from pyg3t already <andrejz> ok, goodie :D <andrejz> then i am going to try it first thing after i come home <askhl> andrejz: (although gtgrep doesn't directly work on the installed langpack mo-files. Supporting that may be desirable...) <andrejz> is it possible to also include custom .po files in the string search <askhl_> andrejz, note that pyg3t and the ubuntu-translator-tools cannot (as of now) be installed at the same time as they both contain a script named podiff <askhl_> custom .po files? <andrejz> because in our gnome translation team we have a shared dropbox folder with all .po files <andrejz> so it would be great if i could simultaneously also see if the error is also present in gnome packages or not <andrejz> if one could search both in the system .mo files and this additional .po files i could quickly see whether error comes from launchpad or gnome <andrejz> of course my workflow is very specific so it might not be useful for many people <askhl_> Right, that's not possible without writing some lines in bash (a loop with an msgunfmt command or such) <andrejz> additionally i am not a coder, so i cannot image how difficult this is (easy or very hard) <askhl_> Since pyg3t works on po-files (not mo-files) it is straightforward to use it on the GNOME po-files. THe installed mo-files have to be msgunfmt'ed first though - that's the only thing <andrejz> I have GNOME .po files in my case #ubuntu-translators 2011-01-04 <andrejz> morning <andrejz> dpm do you know what is the agenda for ubuntu translations meeting on thursday? <dpm> good morning everyone <dpm> hey andrejz <dpm> re: the meeting, there isn't any scheduled. You've probably seen in on the Fridge calendar, because I did not remove them from there. We used to run them a couple of cycles ago. I'd be happy to start them again, but not this Thursday (it's Bank Holiday here and I won't be online) <andrejz> Yes, i saw it on the fridge but not anywhere else, so i didn't know what it was about <dpm> hey andrejz, are you still around? <andrejz> always :) <dpm> hehe, cool :) <andrejz> is there any reason you are asking ? <dpm> andrejz, I've just read your post on the year review for the Slovenian translation team. Apart from the fact that I think it's excellent (not only for the content but also for the amazing work the team has been doing), I believe it would be a great article for the first translation story. As such, I'd like to publish it on ubuntu-news.org. Do you have a picture of your team or anything related to Slovenian translations to accompany the article? <andrejz> unfortunately i only have low quality photo from my cell phone, which is quite fuzzy. But we plan to meet on translation beer sometime next week and i could take some photos then <andrejz> but yes, it's been a heck of a year :) <dpm> andrejz, yeah, fotos would be cool for the next article on translation beers :) For now, I think I'll republish it on ubuntu-news as it is. The nice graphics will do instead of pictures <andrejz> I can take a screenshot of slovenian ubuntu dekstop or something <dpm> andrejz, ah, that'd be cool, too <andrejz> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1450316/Workspace%201_002.png <andrejz> is it ok? <dpm> andrejz, sorry for the delay in replying, got sidetracked with something else. It looks good, thanks. However, I'm not sure I can use it, since when scaling it down for the article the text becomes unreadable. I'm not sure there is much we can do, though, but I think for this time it's ok to publish it without picture, as you've put the graphics in there, which look good already <dpm> hi kelemengabor, happy new year :) <andrejz> ok, good <andrejz> happy new year from me too, kelemengabor <andrejz> :) <dpm> andrejz, published: http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/01/04/translations-stories-year-2010-in-review-for-the-slovenian-translation-team/ - good work! <dpm> Everyone: feel free to tweet/dent! <andrejz> looks great :) <dpm> cool :) <andrejz> it really makes sense to do a review, because only then you realise how much has (or has not) been done <dpm> yeah <andrejz> maybe translation teams should be encouraged to do that (write reviews). I think it's really helpful <dpm> andrejz, yeah, that's what I'm trying to do with the stories as well, but it is slowly picking up, as there are not many people that have signed up yet <dpm> in any case, I've just added "Reviews" as an idea to write about to <dpm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Stories <andrejz> well it's always a question of time. it takes quite a bit of time to write something. and people are always very busy <dpm> yeah, I'm glad we've got the first story, and some people haven't put down the name on that page but have told me they're working on a story, which is great :) #ubuntu-translators 2011-01-05 <dpm> good morning all! <andrejz> morning <dpm> good morning andrejz, good morning TLE! <TLE> good morning <dpm> askhl_, askhl: hi, good morning. I forgot to mention it the other day, but I think it would be cool to announce your PPA with the ubuntu-translator-tools on the ubuntu-translators mailing list to get people to test it and give you feedback. What do you think? <dpm> hi happyaron, did your team have the chance to review the provided ubuntu-docs translations? I'm just trying to find out if there is anything left to do before the next Maverick language pack update on the 10th of March (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/MaverickLanguagePackReleaseSchedule) <happyaron> dpm: not yet, students are taking their end term exams this week and next, will be reviewed soon after someone of them start winter holiday. <dpm> happyaron, no worries, there is still time until March. Just to take a load off my mind, and since it concerns Simplified Chinese translations, would you mind keeping track of it, and shortly before the next langpack tell me if there is anything that needs to be done? <happyaron> dpm: I'll have an eye on it, and will ping you if there is something to be done, thanks :) <dpm> happyaron, cool, thank you :) <dpm> thanks TLE for the excellent reply on the translators list. Incidentally, I'm also writing a reply just now, in which I'll include the list of priorities sorted by user feedback. In any case, in the meantime, here is the link: <dpm> https://dev.launchpad.net/Translations/Reports/ThreeWishes4.0 <TLE> dpm: thanks (putting the link in a tomboy note this time). This thread sort of got me thinking though <TLE> I know from myself, that I was also previously somewhat unjustly unsatisfied with the fact that "nothing is being done to improve the tools", I know that some has been before and now also Khaled <TLE> maybe this could be alliviated with information <dpm> I'm trying to add some of this info to my reply, but I'm all ears for any suggestions. I also think this is an issue: many people don't see all the work behind the scenes. I should perhaps write a blog post <TLE> I know that there are these bigger and very comprehensive reports sent out once or twice a year about lp development progress in total, but maybe we should suppelemt this with a status update say every or every other month <TLE> it could just be en email to the list, stating "During the last (two) months the developers of launchpad translations have done the following ... If you wish to get involved, these 2 jobs ..... are up for graps. Contact ... for more information" <TLE> so as to serve the dual purpose of small updates to make the development progress visible, and possibly do a little recruiting <TLE> the only problem is that it will have to be done by someone with intimate knowledge of the development progress, which probably means either you or some of the devs (sorry I don't actually know whether you code on lp) and you all probably already have enough on your plates <andrejz> @TLE: +1 <dpm> TLE, in any case, that's a very good idea. I'll see Danilo next week and we can sit down and discuss this. Note though, that upcoming changes in the Launchpad development strategy might prove this (micro-updates on progress) to be more challenging from now on. There will no longer be a Rosetta team, there will be squads working on features all over Launchpad. It was announced on the launchpad-users mailing list and on the LP blog, but as no transl <dpm> ator has commented on this, I thing that went mostly unnoticed. I shall send an e-mail with a summary. <dpm> s/thing/think/ <dpm> actually, I believe I forwarded the announcement to the translators list, but it might have been a bit technical for people not involved in LP development <dpm> In any case, here's the blog post, if anyone has any questions, I'll try to answer to the best of my knowledge: <dpm> http://blog.launchpad.net/general/changing-how-we-track-launchpads-bugs-questions-and-blueprints <TLE> I missed that, gotta go now, we'll talk later <dpm> sure, see you! #ubuntu-translators 2011-01-06 <kyleN> Hi. I have a question about po file format. specifically whether the underscore character MUST be escaped in msgstrs. Does anyone know? <kyleN> it appears that po4a *requires* escaping an underscore character in a msgstr with two leading black slashes (msgstr "\\_") but I have never encountered this before and wonder if it is general or specific to po4a. <kyleN> ok. It is not po4a that has the problem. it is xelatex that is dying on the underscore character (that was inserted from a po) #ubuntu-translators 2011-01-07 <Musigreg> Hi #ubuntu-translators 2011-01-08 <Musigreg> hi <Musigreg> I need to know something about translation in launchpad <Musigreg> can someone help me with that <Musigreg> ? <artnay> Musigreg: don't ask to ask, just ask. someone will most probably know the answer <Musigreg> ok <Musigreg> When I'm on the review or translate page, do I get to say if one suggestion if correct? If so, how? <artnay> Musigreg: you have decide it by yourself <artnay> Musigreg: oh, wait... <Musigreg> right now i'm on the "translating to french" page <Musigreg> and I see items with suggestions <artnay> Musigreg: just go to the translation page and from dropdown box, click "items with new suggestions" <Musigreg> yes i'm on it <Musigreg> artnay, do I click on the "copy text" button and uncheck the "new suggestion" to say it's correct? <artnay> Musigreg: just the checkbox(es) and down the page, "save & continue" <Musigreg> artnay, I read the FAQ but nothing about that came <artnay> IF you're sure about the suggestions <Musigreg> ok <Musigreg> So that's it. I copy the suggestion already written, and uncheck the new suggestion box <Musigreg> I just don't want to make a double suggestion, see? <artnay> Musigreg: pretty much, you'll gain some karma that way <artnay> Musigreg: maybe you should if you see some troublesom suggestions <Musigreg> artnay, I don't know what karma is, but sounds good. Been on Ubuntu for about a week and I just translated a soft into french, and I felt kinda proud of contributing :) <Musigreg> That's why I'm asking <Musigreg> thank you anyway <artnay> Musigreg: welcome, take your time with rosetta (launchpad translations). <Musigreg> I will <artnay> rosetta stone has the answers <Musigreg> learnin soft? <artnay> Musigreg: what do you mean? <Musigreg> I'm on rosettastone.com <Musigreg> isn't that what you were saying? <artnay> no, don't get me wrong. I'm just drunk (thanks to australian white wine) and chatting with my friend on another network <Musigreg> oh! ok! <artnay> https://translations.launchpad.net/ that's the place where you should start from <artnay> there's also a french team <Musigreg> Yeah i kinda saw that <artnay> i'm european, but not french, so i can't help you that much <Musigreg> I think I'll test myself translating some items, then see if I can join a team <Musigreg> But thanks much <artnay> Musigreg: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-fr if there's 177 proposed members, someone should take of the team <artnay> Musigreg: just apply for it and translate ubuntu/external projects <Musigreg> will do! thanks <Musigreg> I gotta go now but thanks a lot <Musigreg> see ya #ubuntu-translators 2011-01-10 <andrejz> morning #ubuntu-translators 2011-01-11 <damascene> Hi <damascene> I'm new here and I want to know if there is a dead line for translation cycle or something. <dpm> hi damascene, there is. We're following the release schedule here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule - see the translations deadlines near the end <damascene> Ok <damascene> where I can get a list of Ubutnu only package to start translating? <damascene> I know for example that gnome is translated outside launchpad <damascene> *packages <gtriderxc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Upstream/GNOME/GnomeLucidModules <gtriderxc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA <gtriderxc> THE SECOND LINK WAS WRONG <damascene> ok thanks <damascene> but that did not answer my question exactly. I want a list of ubuntu only packages like software center and installer <gtriderxc> YEAH i HAD ONE... <gtriderxc> BUT I saved a wrond link:/ <gtriderxc> the first one is for Gnome <gtriderxc> and the one with Ubuntu... <gtriderxc> just a sec <damascene> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/UbuntuSpecificTranslations ? <gtriderxc> yes!!:) <dpm> :) <damascene> Ubuntu&#8217;s music player includes a built-in store <damascene> what is this? &#8217;s <gtriderxc> give me a link <gtriderxc> sounds familiar:) <damascene> it is in one of the slide shows <damascene> I tried to get a link to the string but could not <gtriderxc> why not?? <gtriderxc> aren't You translating in Launchpad?? <damascene> there is no way to link to a string <gtriderxc> damascene: just paste me the link to the page You are on and tell me the number of the string <damascene> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+pots/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ar/+translate?show=untranslated <damascene> I've to go for now. I might come later <damascene> if it's God will #ubuntu-translators 2011-01-13 <dpm> good morning/afternoon/evening everyone! <andrejz> evening <andrejz> dpm do you happen to know what is happening with chromium translations ? i saw fta forwarded you my email <dpm> andrejz, we're discussing it right now in #launchpad <andrejz> ok <andrejz> coming <dpm> andrejz, thanks for sending the heads up to fta. Btw, the conversation is nearly over I think, so you might want to look at the public log for the earlier discussion <andrejz> ok, i will. I am glad to report stuff :) <dpm> also notice that Danilo and I are in the Platform sprint in Dallas, so we might not be responsive at times <andrejz> yes i noticed you weren't online in the morning to greet us :) <dpm> :) <danilos> andrejz, in short, the fact that translations are "off" right now is just an error on LP side (we forgot to run the migration script) <andrejz> ok, so all "suggested" strings will be automatically accepted at some point in the future ? <danilos> andrejz, yeah, today or tomorrow (though, my concept of today is different from the standard European today :) <danilos> andrejz, we'll still have to think how to best deal with upstream imports possibly overwriting translations in LP <andrejz> one day up or down doesn't matter as long as i don't have to click like crazy i am happy :) <andrejz> i noticed a similar thing in OpenShot (that's where strings "Ubuntu" also appeared) <andrejz> but fortunately there were only 70 of those strings so i clicked through it <andrejz> @danilos: We can live with our strings not appearing in upstream chromium (even though we would prefer it), as long as our translations don't get owerwritten every week or so <danilos> andrejz, right, unfortunately, that makes Launchpad chromium-browser project an actual fork of chromium-browser, and LP can't handle that in a decent way <danilos> andrejz, we can hack something up (like put the templates on Ubuntu, so you can translate there) <danilos> andrejz, but we'll have to see what gives us the best bang for the buck and doesn't piss fta off too much (or more than he's already pissed off :) <andrejz> ok :) <andrejz> and we just don't want to confirm already translated strings. so whatever does that (and doesn't piss off fta too much) makes us happy to :) <andrejz> btw, danilos - are you from Serbia? <danilos> andrejz, yeah <andrejz> cool, i am from slovenia so we were born in the same county :) <danilos> andrejz, heh, that's true :) <danilos> though soon enough, we'll start seeing more and more kids who weren't :) <andrejz> yup, things change <danilos> andrejz, are you planning on attending UDS in Budapest? that one is close enough :) <andrejz> Yes, i would really like to come, but unfortunately there is some possibility i will have to go and do some research work in Japan <andrejz> But if that doesn't happen i will come 110% <danilos> andrejz, it'd be nice to meet up, but Japan sounds interesting as well :) <andrejz> well, i would prefer to be at UDS but i really need to do this if i want to do my PhD , so.. <andrejz> ubuntu interests me much more than my current research work <dpm> andrejz, c'mon, between UDS and Japan? Choose UDS!!! <dpm> just kidding <dpm> hi all, if you want to join us, there is a new Ubuntu Translations videocast starting in ~15 minutes: <dpm> http://davidplanella.wordpress.com/2011/01/12/new-ubuntu-translations-videocast-tomorrow/ <kelemengabor> I can hear and see you :) <Gwaihir> yes, I can hear you <kelemengabor> sound is good enough <dholbach> dpm, you still videocasting? which room are you in? :) <dpm> dholbach, grand ballroom B <dholbach> dpm, aha! thanks! #ubuntu-translators 2011-01-14 <andrejz> hello dpm <andrejz> i noticed the blueprint you changed <andrejz> can you give me the link to translations training blog post <andrejz> i am considering translating it <dpm> hey andrejz, awesome! Here it is: http://davidplanella.wordpress.com/2010/12/17/natty-translations-plans-ii-translations-training-sessions/ <andrejz> thanks <dpm> thank you! <dpm> let me know when you've done it, and we can publish it on the translators FB page <dpm> andrejz, I've noticed you're doing a great job with your translations posts. I'm working on the translations portal, which has a planet-like feed to which people interested in translations can subscribe to. Right now it has only got my blog feed, but the idea is to add more feeds from awesome community members. I'd like to add your feed there, what do you think? <dpm> Here is the portal testing site, btw: http://ec2-79-125-76-181.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com/drupal6/ <andrejz> i would be honored :) <andrejz> it takes quite some time to blog (note that only about 15% are in english), but i think it's worthwile <andrejz> outsiders get more motivated when they see something is happening <andrejz> also other people occasionally write something so it's not only my blog <andrejz> Hello. I noticed an error in rhythmbox - if i choose text below icons, "Paused" is not translated as can be seen here http://www.shrani.si/f/D/zo/3vxyueUO/zaslonskaslika.png even though it's translated in the .po files (and has been long before translation deadline) #ubuntu-translators 2011-01-17 <dpm> happyaron, great post on Input Methods, I've just posted it on the translators FB page :) <happyaron> dpm: :) <andrejz> link, please :) <happyaron> http://blogs.gnome.org/happyaron/2011/01/15/linux-input-method-brief-summary/ <andrejz> cool, thanks #ubuntu-translators 2011-01-18 <dpm> good morning all #ubuntu-translators 2011-01-19 <dpm> good morning everyone! <andrejz> morning <andrejz> I was wondering why langpack ppas are not built anymore <andrejz> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-langpack/+archive/ppa <andrejz> it seems for most packages the last version is 20101204 <dpm> hi andrejz, let me have a look <dpm> andrejz, ah, I talked about this with pitti last week. Apparently the maverick langpack builds were stopped when we did the uploads to maverick-proposed for testing (which is the normal situation), but they were never enabled back. He told me he'd enable them, so the next maverick langpack should be ready next week, according to the schedule: <dpm> https://dev.launchpad.net/Translations/LanguagePackSchedule <andrejz> ok, great <andrejz> dpm, i have another thing - https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/app-install-data-ubuntu/+imports <andrejz> app-install-data still hasn't been imported after 4 days, while some other packages i uploaded at the same time were imported in less than a day <andrejz> it's just that it's the most visible package on the first ubuntu page <andrejz> so i don't want someone would translate it again while it's being imported <dpm> andrejz, yeah, there are some problems with the imports queue, which is making it slow, but they are being worked on. I think it's mostly about bug 704275 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 704275 in launchpad "Missing permission when approving POFile upload (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/704275 <arjunaraoc> hi dpm, working on telugu boot support for ubuntu. Did not see the debian-installer translation update from debian. It is part of Squeeze RC1, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/debian-installer <arjunaraoc> dpm, can you help? #ubuntu-translators 2011-01-20 <dpm> good morning everyone! <andrejz> morning <dpm> morning andrejz! <andrejz> i have a short question. do you know what is the update process for ddtp-ubuntu packages ? . Because in ddtp-main there are several hundred string which reference to openoffice. if the strings are going to change to libreoffice soon (before 11.04), we would prefer to wait untill then and do those strings later <dpm> andrejz, I understand, but which is the actual question? <dpm> ah, you mean how often are ddtp templates updated and such? <dpm> In any case, I'd guess OO.o will still remain in the archive, just not installed by default <dpm> mvo updates the ddtp templates from time to time, on an irregular basis, afaik <andrejz> the actual question is, will all the strings which refer to OpenOffice.org (and there are hundreds of those) be changed to LibreOffice before 11.40 <andrejz> 11.04 <andrejz> as libreoffice will replace openoffice <dpm> andrejz, I'm not entirely sure, but I would think that rather than replacing them, they will be added <dpm> since I could imagine that both suites are in the archive. Only that one is installed by default, and the other one isn't <andrejz> ok, then we will translate it. it's just that we have limited resources so we try to avoid translating strings which will be changed soon. thanks for your reply <dpm> andrejz, yeah, I understand. Note that the above is only my guess. As soon as we get a LibreOffice maintainer I might get to know more <dpm> hi happyaron, could you tell me if you can change the translation focus on this page? -> https://translations.staging.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+configure-translations <happyaron> dpm: let me try <happyaron> dpm: There is a list where I can choose translation focus on the page. <dpm> happyaron, can you try to change it to natty and then press the "Change" button? I'm trying to figure out of members of the UTC team can set it (which is what I'd like to achieve) <happyaron> dpm: done, then it jumps to https://translations.staging.launchpad.net/ubuntu, showing the focus is Natty. <dpm> happyaron, ah, great, so it works. Thanks! <dpm> now anyone from the UTC team can set the focus, even if I'm run over by a bus :) <happyaron> that's great, :) <andrejz> i am wondering, are there any plans to make launchpad internationalizable <andrejz> this would be especially usefull for people who want to report translation bugs (some of them don't know english very well) <dpm> andrejz, there aren't any plans. I would personally love it to see it internationalized. On the last UDS we had a session about it, and I've got an action item to blog about it. <dpm> happyaron, and one final check. Could you try to check the "Hide translations..." checkbox and press the "Change" button on https://translations.staging.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+admin ? <happyaron> dpm: "Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server. ", but when I open an other page at the same time, it says "Your changes have been applied" on that page. <dpm> happyaron, hm, I cannot see it changed. Could you perhaps try again? <happyaron> tried three times, let me give it a fourth try, :) <dpm> the joys of Launchpad timeouts :) <happyaron> dpm: I think it works now. <dpm> happyaron, yeah, I can confirm I could see it ticked. Thanks! <dpm> so now anyone from the UTC team can also open translations <happyaron> :) <dpm> andrejz, btw, I've just noticed we've switched from OO.o to LO in Natty <andrejz> yeah, so have I :) <andrejz> it's just getting a bit difficult what to translate next. in the beginning we translated the programs we were using and now we are runinng out so it's sometimes difficult to assess what will be most nedded /appriciated by the users * dpm would like to hear this from all translation teams "we're running out of things to translate" <dpm> awesome :) <dpm> I wished all teams had the same problem <andrejz> we are not running out of things to translate, but out of things we use <dpm> oh, I see :) <andrejz> also some things we probably wont translate as the nature of programs implies advanced usage and also users told us they prefer englsih for some advanced command line programs and programing stuff like gcc, elfutils and various libaries <dpm> yeah, I agree <andrejz> also some programs descirption in ddtp-packages are highly technical #ubuntu-translators 2011-01-21 <dpm> good morning all <andrejz> morning dpm <andrejz> Some translators have notified me their karma has remained constant for over a week, despite the fact they have done translation work <andrejz> Is there some problem with karma updating ? <andrejz> some people really get motivated by this ;) <dpm> andrejz, I don't know, perhaps the Launchpad rollout last week had something to do with it? <andrejz> yes that's possible <dpm> the best thing is to ask in #launchpad <andrejz> is there i way i can check what was karma in the past to see when it stopped updating? <andrejz> ok i will <dpm> although the whole team is on a conference and might not be too responsive until next week <andrejz> just wanted to ask if it's something it's known, before i bug people again ;) <dpm> andrejz, don't worry about bugging people, it's better to point issues early than later :) <andrejz> :) <dpm> happyaron, do you know if Chinese is supported by Latex? Have you ever tried to translate the Ubuntu Manual into Chines and it worked? <happyaron> dpm: Chinese is supported by Xelatex, if use pure latex 2e we need some more macro packages. <happyaron> dpm: Ubuntu manual builders doesn't have correct font settings, so builds result into errors about no font faces required to display Chinese characters. <dpm> happyaron, thanks <happyaron> :) <happyaron> http://people.ubuntu.com/~happyaron/udc-cn/lucid-files/desktop-course-book-lucid-r1.pdf <happyaron> This one is produced by LuaTex, another TeX variant. <askhl_> Hi. A user has reported that the "Downloads" folder in natty is translated to something slightly weird. However in xdg-user-dirs, Downloads has been consistently and correctly translated since 2009. Any explanation? <askhl_> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/xdg-user-dirs/+pots/xdg-user-dirs/da/9/+translate <-- This is the correctly translated string I'm looking at <dpm> askhl_, what does "something slightly weird" means? Does it appear in English? Or is it a bad translation? I'm using Natty and the downloads folder translation looks ok in my language, but then again, this is an update, not a new installation <askhl_> dpm: it is a Danish word which is technically correct but awkward. <askhl_> dpm: The equivalent of 'Downloadings' rather than 'Downloaded files' to write a similar English example (the word Downloads does not exist in Danish) <askhl_> But the exact wording is not important. The important thing is: It's not what it's supposed to be, and we don't know why :) <dpm> hm, then I don't know. Perhaps the first thing to do would be where does the wrong translation comes from. It seems ok in Ubuntu for what you're saying. Is it ok upstream? <askhl_> (Unfortunately I may have to leave at any point, but I'll read anything written here when I come back) <askhl_> xdg-user-dirs has an upstream? <askhl_> I wasn't aware of that <dpm> yeah, it's in translationproject.org, IIRC <askhl_> Ah, freedesktop <dpm> yep, but translatable at the TP.org <askhl_> Also at GNOME's damned lies <askhl_> ...and that's it. It has the weird translation there. So for some reason natty uses the upstream and not the langpack, but that'll of course change. Thank you for helping with this, I'll get it fixed <dpm> askhl_ cool <costales> ping dpm <costales> Hi! When I download a .po files from LP <costales> the files are in a lot of folders <costales> Is this normal? or it's a bug? :) <dpm> costales, I'm on a phone call, be back in a minute <costales> don't worry :) <costales> Here you have the folders and files: http://paste.ubuntu.com/556576/ <dpm> costales, this is a known bug. I'd recommend using automatic exports. With them, you'll get the translations committed automatically to a branch of your choice and it will save you having to export the files. Whenever you want to include translations to the code, you'll find them in the translations branch and you will simply have to do a bzr merge to get them. It takes just a few minutes to set up, if you want I can help you with it right now. <costales> dpm ;) Thanks, great (and big :P) explanation! :D Don't worry, I'll try it! :) Thanks very much dpm! <dpm> no worries, just ping me if I can be of any help <gtriderxc> hellloUU <gtriderxc> any1 here?? #ubuntu-translators 2011-01-22 <gtriderxc> morning <gtriderxc> is anyone here?? <gtriderxc> anyone here?? <happyaron> gtriderxc: hi <gtriderxc> hi <gtriderxc> the question is: <gtriderxc> Please insert the command used to encode the audio data. The command has to read raw little endian ( <gtriderxc> how should I understand a command <gtriderxc> it is all about ripping the video in K3B <gtriderxc> is command some kond of codec?? <gtriderxc> *kind <happyaron> likely, for example you want to use ffmpeg to encode the audio data, you put a command with parameters there <gtriderxc> You mean from terminal?? <gtriderxc> without x-windows <gtriderxc> ?? <happyaron> no <happyaron> there would be a window of k3b, and a place where let you input a command, that is what "command used to encode". <gtriderxc> ok now i get it <gtriderxc> thanx <happyaron> there would be variables (e.g. %s) to represent the file name, and the command might be "ffmpeg --some-parameters %s" <happyaron> :) #ubuntu-translators 2011-01-23 <willubuntu> Hello everybody. I would like to know if the french term "listage" is often used to speak about the "directory listing" ? <willubuntu> First of all, there is French translators in this chan ? <gtriderxc> yaes there is. but seems to B absent <willubuntu> ok thanks but i have all my answers now thanks <gtriderxc> Qrcze Tomek, chyba z moim angielskim nie jest aÅ¼ tak Åºle? ;) <TomaszD_> strasznie ;) <gtriderxc> www.grooveshark.com <- Free musik for better translations ;) #ubuntu-translators 2011-01-24 <dpm> good morning all <gtriderxc> hi <dpm> hi gtriderxc <andrejz> Hello dpm! <andrejz> I was wondering if there is language pack update planned for 10.04.2 LTS, which is going to be released in less that a month (Feb 17th) <dpm> hi andrejz, yes, we should do one <andrejz> i think so too, that's why i am asking ;) <dpm> Let me prepare this week for that <andrejz> great <andrejz> i've just asked our more conservative members (those using 10.04) to start looking into things <dpm> cool #ubuntu-translators 2011-01-25 <damascene> Hi, is there any thing going to change in translation strings before Natty release? <dpm> good morning all! <damascene> morning <markjones> can somebody explain to me what 'upstream' is? <markjones> I need to try to translate it into Welsh, and the literal translation is 'up the river' <geirha> Yes, that's basicly what upstream means ... it's a metaphore for that. <geirha> upstream is where the package originates. <markjones> ok, thanks geirha <happyaron> markjones: http://people.ubuntu.com/~happyaron/presentations/20101016/How_Applications_Speak_Fluently.pdf <happyaron> markjones: page 8 <geirha> You might want to bring that up and discuss it with other welch translators. Someone might have translated a similar string in some other package. <markjones> well, I did have a quick look before I asked <markjones> it seems we haven't got that far <geirha> If a bug ticks in in launchpad, on a program in Ubuntu, and that bug is caused by an error in the original source code, the Ubuntu developers will attempt to patch it, then report the bug upstream with the patch to fix it. <geirha> That way, next time a new version is pulled down, it won't contain that bug anymore. <dpm> in Catalan we tend to translate 'upstream' as 'original project' <markjones> heh, I'm sure on Saturday my colleagues and I will find a suitable word for 'upstream' - we are, after all, Hacking Language ;) <geirha> Doesn't welch have reaaally long words? <markjones> yes and no <markjones> a good example is "Hello": "Helo" <geirha> Hehe, yeah, but I've seen some Welsh town names ... <markjones> you mean llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch :P <geirha> Yeah, that's a fairly short one, isn't it? :) <markjones> hehe <markjones> Forgive me: I'll explain why I'm asking about Launchpad, and Hacking Language: I am attending this Saturday a barcamp style conference to discuss the use of the Welsh Language in IT and media, my Team saw it as an opportunity to promote Ubuntu and it's Translation into Welsh ;) <geirha> Ah, cool :) <damascene> Hi, is there any thing going to change in translation strings before Natty release? <andrejz> @damasecene: yes <andrejz> products like unity are still in development and strings will change <damascene> so how to know what to translate and what to wait? <andrejz> yes it can be somewhat difficult. strings will stop changing around march 30th <dpm_> damascene, there are milestones. After string freeze you know that strings will not change, at least without notifying translators <damascene> a few days before translation freeze <dpm_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule <andrejz> well maybe it makes more sense to translate gnome packages because they have string freeze earlier <andrejz> @damascene: ususally changes in strings are not very dramatic <damascene> OK, thanks <damascene> you mean this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline , right? <andrejz> some packages come from gnome project (like nautilus, totem, etc). Those packages are quite mature so strings don't change much and are also quite important, that's why i would recommend focusing on those <dpm_> damascene, that and this -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LanguagePackTranslationDeadline <andrejz> Nonlaguage pack packages usually need to be translated a week earlier or so <markjones> dpm_, sent an email to you (and the other translators) that might interest you <dpm_> thanks markjones. Please don't CC me though. I'm already subscribed to ubuntu-translators and if you CC me I receive duplicate mails :-) <markjones> ok, noted. <markjones> ;) <markjones> even though the mail to -translators just bounced <dpm_> markjones, perhaps you are subscribed with another e-mail address? <markjones> yeah, I've obviously not changed my email address on the -translators list (I changed my email slightly in november) <gtriderxc> dpm_: when will be the next opportunity like this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA to update the lang packages?? I made lots of pretty important corrections since last month <dpm_> gtriderxc, around the 10th of March for Maverick, according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/MaverickLanguagePackReleaseSchedule <gtriderxc> ok. thx #ubuntu-translators 2011-01-26 <dpm> good morning all #ubuntu-translators 2011-01-27 <dpm> good morning all <andrejz> morning dpm <andrejz> looking forward to the videocast this evening <dpm> hi andrejz, cool :) <andrejz> dpm i have a minor launchpad problem <andrejz> if i go here https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ddtp-ubuntu/natty/+pots/ddtp-ubuntu-main/sl/+translate?show=new_suggestions <andrejz> and try to confirm the new suggestions <andrejz> i always get an oops with (Error ID: OOPS-1853EA326) <ubot4> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1853EA326 <andrejz> are you aware of any similar errors? <dpm> andrejz, no, IÃm not aware, but it could perhaps show a bigger problem. Do you mind going to #launchpad and mentioning it? This way developers can have a look at it <andrejz> sure, i first wanted to check if it's somethig know here <dpm> I haven't been seeing OOPses in a while, but it's worth mentioning it if they have started reappearing <andrejz> this is the only one i am aware of currently <andrejz> fortunately :) <dpm> :) <dpm> hey everyone, the next Translations Videocast talking about the translations workflow will start in ~10 minutes, feel free to join in! <andrejz> already there :) <dpm> :) <dpm> allright, let's roll! #ubuntu-translators 2011-01-28 <dpm> morning all <andrejz> morning <dpm> hey andrejz :) <happyaron> dpm_: hi <dpm_> hey happyaron <happyaron> dpm_: does u-t-cs still can upload translations for a source tarball? (I know not now, just ask for when launchpad is running in correctly)? <happyaron> I have made a small fix for libreoffice's desktop file and plan to upload it soon when launchpad accept uploads again if the maintainer doesn't have the plan to make a new version very soon. <dpm_> happyaron, I'm not 100% sure to be honest. It might be that only members of the rosetta-admin team (and project maintainers, of course) can do it. In any case, you can try it safely on translations.staging.launchpad.net <dpm_> so you can see if it works or not <dpm_> happyaron, but does the fix not need to be in a patch to work? <happyaron> dpm_: I cannot find a url to do that <happyaron> dpm_: yes I'll help on the package, but the pot is a new one, and the maintainer said it still need some work on rosetta. <dpm_> let me give you the url <dpm_> just a sec, LP is being slow... <happyaron> no worries, :) <dpm_> so you see it's not only a problem in China ;) <happyaron> :D perhaps people in some contries can have a faster speed, like in the UK? <dpm_> I'm sure it's flying in the Canonical office in London! :) <happyaron> :) * happyaron someone might need to ping Mark and ask him to buy some cdn network service... <dpm_> happyaron, ah, I know what's happening. You cannot do first-time template uploads by hand. The first time a template is created, it needs to be done through a package upload. After that, templates and translations for the whole source package can be uploaded manually. I see someone has accepted the lo-desktop template already, but unfortunately the upload failed, which is why we cannot do manual uploads yet: no template has yet been imported at a <dpm_> ll <dpm_> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/libreoffice/+imports <happyaron> dpm_: ah, see, so we have to wait the maintainer to make a new upload <dpm_> yeah :( <dpm_> happyaron, I saw the bug, and I think to be able to make translations work in the .desktop files, they'll need to be modified to include the X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain field, i.e. approving the template will not be enough <dpm_> but I haven't looked at it with detail yet <happyaron> there's another question, will we accept those translations to langpacks or not? I saw the initial import of lo-desktop has checked that field, I've no idea who did that. <dpm_> I think I'd put them in language packs, this way we won't depend on the package maintainer to integrate translations into the package, and they can be updated with langpack updates <happyaron> OK #ubuntu-translators 2011-01-30 <andrejz> morning <andrejz> does anyone know if the upload of packages is still blocked ? <TLE> good morning <andrejz> Hello TLE <TLE> currently proofreading freeciv translation, kind of makes me want to play :) <andrejz> I played gbrainy like crazy on friday while testing the translations, especially word analogies <andrejz> :) <happyaron> gbrainy... <TLE> WOW <TLE> The string "View" that has a comment attached to it, to let the translator know whether it is the verb or the noun, now I have seen everything <TLE> hell must be freezing over <happyaron> gbrainy is a hell for translators... <TLE> *G* <andrejz> @happyaron: I agree :) <TLE> yeah those word analogies have given us some problem as well <andrejz> every a couple of months i go through it again and always find a string or two to fix <TLE> so does ask I think <TLE> no actually, it seems that freeciv have given the code a major i18n overhaul, I see an incredible amount of helpfull comments <TLE> it's so noce <TLE> nice #ubuntu-translators 2011-01-31 <andrejz> hello dpm! you there ? <dpm> hey andrejz, yep, I'm here :) <andrejz> i was wondering what is the status of package upload into launchpad <dpm> it's still unchanged since the last message on Friday <andrejz> ok <dpm> the team lead who'll deal with it is US-based, so the earliest time there can be an update will around this afternoon. Notice I say "there can be", not "there will be" :) <dpm> don't worry, I'll keep people up to date through the translators list <andrejz> ok, great <dpm> sorry about the inconvenience, I know it's a bit of a pain. Fortunately, we're still not in string freeze <gtriderxc> Whenever I unplug usb drive or photo camera, a massage like this occurs: "Nie moÅ¼na wyÅwietliÄ "computer:///". which means "cannot dispay computer". never mind the post doesn't make any sense but word "computer" makes it all look like Windows 95 or MS-DOS. can anyone elp me to find the "computer" from this string? <gtriderxc> the next few lines from that post are: ~~ Error: Location is already mounted <gtriderxc> ~~choose another browser and try again <andrejz> let me try ... <artnay> gtriderxc: that's just bad design, not much that translation can do about it <andrejz> i think computer:/// cannot be changed <gtriderxc> if I knew in which packege it is I could report a bug <gtriderxc> it looks like an alpha version :/ <artnay> that would more likely require a blueprint <andrejz> it has to be a gnome package <artnay> i.e. what should nautilus display when user unplugs device that has content visible on Nautilus' window <gtriderxc> ok, i'll look 4 'em <gtriderxc> umounting also generates errors <andrejz> i think this is the string - "Could not display \"%s\"." <andrejz> it's present in nautilus <gtriderxc> ok thanx #ubuntu-translators 2012-01-02 <dpm> good morning all <dpm> and a happy new year to everyone <kelemengabor> good morning dpm, and happy new year! <dpm> hey kelemengabor, thanks, happy new year to you too! :) <kelemengabor> do you happen to know why are there no new langpacks for precise? <kelemengabor> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+language-packs <kelemengabor> exports are there, packages not <dpm> kelemengabor, I requested the exports the last week I was online, with the intention of generating them, but I didn't have time to create the first langpack before going, and I had even less time during holidays. I'll try to create them today. <kelemengabor> thanks <TLE> Hallo everyone and happy new year <TLE> dpm, artnay: While doing the mandatory new years inbox clean up I found a few emails about a calendar discussion you guys had here <TLE> I while ago :| <dpm> hey TLE, happy new year to you too! <dpm> yeah, I remember the discussion <TLE> I think, before we start making changes, we should think about what it really is that we want <TLE> There was a lot of talk about including point release of the development version in the lang pack calendar, and about including the lang pack event to the release calendars <TLE> and so on <TLE> but since this is not particularly easy or interesting work I think we should give it a little thought before we start changing stuff <TLE> how and where do you think we should talk about this <TLE> start with the next coordinators meeting and work from there? <dpm> TLE, yeah, I think that's a good idea. I've added it to the agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Meetings/Next <TLE> dpm: great <iceroot> hi <iceroot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/thunderbird/+bug/910852 can someone have a look here? i did not find anything in the launchpad-translator-thing so i created that bug. is that process correct? <ubot4> Launchpad bug 910852 in thunderbird (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[12.04] Missing german menu-translation in thunderbird 10 for entry "new" (10.0~b1+build1-0ubuntu1) (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] <kelemengabor> iceroot: those are not translated to my language either <iceroot> kelemengabor: so i guess the bug is in thunderbird itself <kelemengabor> but because this is a
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