#ubuntustudio-devel 2010-05-01 <ScottL> persia, are you around? <rlameiro> hey andyzweb <jussi> o/ <jussi> ScottL: ping <andyzweb> hello rlameiro <rlameiro> welcome :D <andyzweb> rlameiro: so what kind of help does the project need. <rlameiro> well <rlameiro> testing <rlameiro> artwork <rlameiro> scripting <rlameiro> testing <rlameiro> testing <rlameiro> :D <rlameiro> bug fixing <rlameiro> ScottL: wake up :D <rlameiro> what would you like to do? <rlameiro> ohhh <rlameiro> packaging <rlameiro> also <jussi> andyzweb: probably bes to hang out here for a bit, until the other packagers etc wake up. then people can let you know wats really needed. <andyzweb> lol, packaging and testing, I am just starting to learn how to make my own .deb packages. <jussi> and rlameiro, please dont abuse the enter key ;) <rlameiro> jussi: sorry, i know, its bad habit :D <ScottL> jussi, pong <andyzweb> do you have a mailing-list? <jussi> andyzweb: yes, we do <jussi> andyzweb: look on lists.ubuntu.com <rlameiro> andyzweb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio <ScottL> hello andyzweb <andyzweb> found it <rlameiro> you have here most of the links for mailing list and dev matters <jussi> ScottL: thought maybe you could take care of this little lost lamb we found and captured :P <andyzweb> Hello ScottL <ScottL> andyzweb, have you worked with the studio devs before? <andyzweb> ScottL: Nope have no clue who they are :P * ScottL is helping the wife make dinner <rlameiro> andyzweb: dont worry, sometimes it takes time to answer, most of the people have families and other things to do, so sometimes takes time <rlameiro> lol <ScottL> good andyzweb, then don't believe anything anyone else has told you about us then :P <andyzweb> LOL <astraljava> Yeah, we might be creepy, but that's just the first impression. <ScottL> but we are glad to have you help us andyzweb <andyzweb> I don't trust any dev team that isn't creepy <ScottL> hopefully we'll have a meeting pretty soon and work up a plan <ScottL> rlameiro, i'm really hoping that you, stochastic, and i can research the uni audio labs and see if we can develop something to fill their needs <ScottL> that would be a crazy, big group of users (and possible testers and future devs) :) <rlameiro> yeah <rlameiro> If i get accepted on PhD i could try to enforce it <ScottL> but that probably will not see fruition during maverick, my guess is that we will be lucky to develop a full plan during maverick <ScottL> rlameiro, hah, that would be awesome ;) <rlameiro> but musicians arent programmers <rlameiro> at least they can hunt bugs :D <andyzweb> musicians won't like bugs :( but students... well they have no feelings :P <ScottL> true, but i think many people drawn to ubuntu studio did not start out as programmers either though <astraljava> That's bollocks, I know many musicians who program for their living. <jussi> me also <jussi> heya astraljava! <astraljava> Howdy ho. <rlameiro> well, musicians studion music <rlameiro> not programmers that play <jussi> I cant sleep... <rlameiro> jussi: drink hot milk <jussi> I think I might go grab a chot of that random finnish alcohol... <jussi> I dont remember the name, but kinda similar to whiskey... <jussi> astraljava: halp me? <astraljava> Jaloviina? <ScottL> jussi, do you play an instrument? <ScottL> or do you do electronic music? <jussi> astraljava: yes, that one :D <jussi> ScottL: neither <ScottL> oh, i thought you meant that you played and programmed when you said "me also", sorry 'bout that <jussi> weall actually, I kinda hit the guitar on occaision, but it doesnt sound like music <ScottL> heh ;) <jussi> an I have a harmonica... but again... the music is questionable... <jussi> astraljava: are there shops open tomorrow that you know of? <astraljava> jussi: Smaller ones should be, yes. <jussi> astraljava: ahh that sucks... so its not yet "summer" then... * jussi cant wait to get to the elisa shopit store... <astraljava> jussi: Wel the law changed a while back, so you might be lucky. <andyzweb> now do most of you use the AMD64 version or the i386 version? <jussi> andyzweb: I dont use ubuntu studio :P <rlameiro> i use i386 <astraljava> Ahh, doubt that an Elisa shopit store will be open, though. <rlameiro> and test the AMD64 ISOs :D <jussi> astraljava: Im getting a milestone from saunalahti :D <astraljava> jussi: Yeah? <jussi> cant wait, just hope they have them instore on monday <astraljava> jussi: What's that? <jussi> astraljava: http://saunalahti.fi/puhelimet/puhelin.php?id=411&type=handsetmodel <jussi> feck... maybe they arent available... it says "lisÃ¤Ã¤ tulossa" :( <jussi> meh, gonna try sleep now <astraljava> Nothing's coming up from that link... <astraljava> Good night! <jussi> astraljava: oh, anyway, motorola milestone, android phone <astraljava> Oh okay, cool. #ubuntustudio-devel 2010-05-02 * TheMuso sighs. Redhat/Lennart writing another replacement init daemon. <ScottL> TheMuso, why? <ScottL> apparently he thinks this one would be more advantageous? <TheMuso> ScottL: Yeah I know, I am just annoyed that he doesn't work with another solution to improve that. <ScottL> from what i've read lennart is a rather singular individual (heh, is that a double redundancy?) and chooses his own path <ScottL> at least from what i've read about rtkit <ScottL> TheMuso, oh, i've been meaning to ask you, were you going to be able to add a comment or endorsement for abogani's PPU application? <TheMuso> ScottL: I really haven't seen enough of his work recently to comment. <ScottL> TheMuso, okay, thanks. just wanted to make sure those who were going to comment did comment, since this would give the studio team a significant resource for kernel maintenance #ubuntustudio-devel 2010-05-03 <macinnisrr> Hi! My name is Dick MacInnis, and I have been working on an Ubuntu based multimedia distro much like ubuntustudio. My distro is called "Dream" and I am trying to keep it as close to stock Ubuntu as possible, while also including the most up to date versions of applications. I'm wondering about a couple things: 1) are there plans for an rt-pae kernel? 2) has anyone had luck making plymouth work properly with the 2.6 <macinnisrr> 4) If I make such a kernel on my own, would you be interested in including it? I am quite good at binary packaging. I can compile/troubleshoot source code easily enough. The problem is I have no experience making source packages (which is why I host my own repo as opposed to using launchpad). <holstein> macinnisrr: hey <holstein> that sounds like an awesome project <holstein> are there links to anything yet? <macinnisrr> actually you can add this line to your apt sources "deb http://www.dickmacinnis.com/dream lucid main universe multiverse non-free". Once you've done that you can download Ardour 2.8.7, new calf lv2 plugins, autotalent (an autotune-type plugin, ladspa-trigger, matching gtk themes (that go with the custom themes I have installed for Ardour), an rt-pae kernel (although it is based on 2.6.31 so only the text plymouth s <macinnisrr> I'm working on a new kernel as we speak, and should have an iso ready in a few days. <holstein> would you mind to share that over at #opensourcemusicians ? <holstein> the PPA ? <macinnisrr> absolutely, although I don't have it gpg signed yet (so it's not a proper ppa, I'm not sure what else I might need to do to make it so, but I'm working on it). Feel free to send out a link to whoever you want, although keep in mind that I would consider all of my packages beta at least for a couple weeks (most everything has been tested here on six different machines, and the base is Ubuntu, so blame them if major s <holstein> macinnisrr: i'll save that info you just dropped <macinnisrr> I also forgot to mention one of the coolest packages, which is my custom pulseaudio-module-jack package. It's a dropin replacement for the original, but contains a script to easily connect all system audio to jack. Just fire up jack and issue the "pulsejack" command. If you do a fresh install with my custom qjackctl package, this will happen automatically for all users <holstein> im not really 'on the team' so to speak <holstein> im just hanging out, trying to figure out what i can do <macinnisrr> holstien: sweet. The more people who try this out, the more feedback I can get, and the more I can improve it. <holstein> BUT the folks at #opensourcemusicians will test <holstein> and talk it up <macinnisrr> holstein: What are you interested in helping with? Maybe I could use your expertise.... <holstein> thats the issue really <holstein> im a musician <holstein> and im very interested in helping <holstein> BUT i have no coding skills <holstein> im not really a newb <holstein> but im still learning <macinnisrr> holstein: I was in the same boat as you, but during Karmic's cycle I got tired of waiting for new Ardour packages so I started compiling. Then I got annoyed compiling for all my machines, so I started packaging. Then I thought, why not make a distro? <macinnisrr> so I started reading... <holstein> awesome <holstein> well, im not quite there yet <scott-work> persia, are you around for a question or two? <scott-work> interesting view on the staid and conventional desktop -> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/03/google_acquires_bumptop/ <scott-work> wish troy was here to see that #ubuntustudio-devel 2010-05-04 <rlameiro> ScottL: ping <rlameiro> I took the liberty to change the ubuntustudio wiki to reflect the new releas <rlameiro> *release/ I hope its ok. <ScottL> TheMuso, debian squeeze has rakarrack 0.4.2 while ubuntu has 0.3.0 <ScottL> if i do a sync request doesn't that request for the upcoming (development) version? i.e. maveric? <ScottL> how would i get the update into lucid? <ScottL> just file a bug with a patch? <ScottL> sorry if i'm being dense (i probably am) i've been trying to ask persia for a couple of days rather than bug you * persia hasn't seen the question: only "are you around" when I wasn't. <persia> !sru <ubottu> Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates <persia> Basically, just create a tested minimal targeted patch, and follow that procedure. <persia> Ph, given context, it's not likely to happen (large upstream version change). You'd do better to get it into maverick, and then do a lucid-backport. <ScottL> groovy! hiya persia <ScottL> i was looking at outdated on http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/ubuntustudio.html#outdatedinB <ScottL> i had set a calendar reminder about them to sync (or apparently sru) but it looks like sync is the way and i know how to do that <ScottL> two more questions though if you don't mind <persia> Just ask :) <ScottL> how do i approach getting outdatedandlocalb synced as well? if ubuntu changes are picked up in debian i can just sync, correct? <ScottL> (oops, i guess three questions now) <ScottL> but if there are changes i should file a bug with a patch? <ScottL> s/changes/changes still required <persia> !merge <ubottu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging <persia> So, targetting maverick, and looking at the mdt output. <ScottL> "mdt output" ? <persia> "Not in squeeze" needs a reason why, or should be gotten into Debian. <persia> mdt -> multidistrotools <ScottL> side question (yikes, another one!), did you get my email where i responded to your critique, specifically about "acting lead"? <ScottL> mdt, gotcha <persia> I get email when people tell me they sent it :) I'll go dig it up. <persia> "same version" means nothing to do <persia> "same version + local changes" means the changes should be reviewed, patches sent to Debian, etc. If there is stuff that isn't acceptable to Debian, merge it. If there isn't, then it's better to sync some future Debian version. <persia> "same version by rebuilt" can be ignored <persia> "outdated in maverick" ought get handled by autosync once that's enabled. If something fails to autosync, then it's worth investigating more. <persia> "outdated + local changes" means doing a merge and *then* processing as "same version + local changes". <persia> (simply because one needs to validate that the changes still apply, etc.). <persia> Sometimes one gets lucky with "outdated in maverick" and discovers a sync opportunity. <persia> "Not in Maverick" can be ignored: I asked for mscore removal because musecore replaces it. <ScottL> but roughly how soon can we actually sync? the schedule shows the toolchain uploaded on may 6 <persia> (although sometimes one wants to hunt down *why* it's not present) <persia> You can file sync bugs now, if you like. <persia> Looks like the archive is frozen, and all uploads need manual approval (based on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text= ) <persia> But some stuff is already being uploaded :) <ScottL> i will start tomorrow night, i want to use the requestsync from ubuntu-dev-tools instead of doing them by hand (at lunch) <persia> And I see a bundle of stuff in the sync queue (although please don't request a sync *except* to overwrite a merge, as autosync will be enabled soonish) <ScottL> rakarrack as an example -> for lucid it was an autosync, for maverick it will require a sync request, correct? <persia> generally the sequence is: archive enable (frozen), toolchain rebuilds, archive open, import the SRU candidates, start accepting other uploads, autosync. <persia> No. <persia> Because there's no Ubuntu-specific patch, it will autosync once the autosync is turned on. <ScottL> sorry, i'm slow tonight, been a long, long day and i'm tired :( but i wanted to get somethings lined out <persia> Whereas e.g. gimp will need investigation. <ScottL> oh, okay, and i now see above where you said "outdated in maverick", sorry 'bout that <ScottL> but syncing to maverick and then backporting to lucid will take some time, perhaps a month? <persia> Should be doable in a week under normal circumstances. At this point in the cycle, probably a minimum of 3 weeks. <ScottL> thanks perisa <ScottL> last question, do you think you might add a comment or endorsement to abogani's ppu application? <persia> Unless I've been working with someone *very* closely, I don't do that: I sit on the board that receives those applications, which makes me feel uncomfortable making such an endorsement to the board except in cases where I'm the overwhelmingly most frequent sponsor. That said, in my role as administrator of the sponsors team, I spend a lot of time trying to get others to sponsor stuff, so am rarely someone's regular sponsor. <ScottL_> that's understandable, i just didn't want people to overlook it or forget if they were planning on it * ScottL_ is going to bed <quadrispro> hi guys <stochastic> hey <astraljava> o/ <scott-work> rlameiro: thanks for changing the wiki! <rlameiro> ohh <rlameiro> np, but the same guy ointed at 2 more things <rlameiro> one of them i cant change, is on the ubuntustudio.org webpage (the iso size one) and the other is the full list of packages of this version <scott-work> i was going to ask stochastic about updating the website for the first <scott-work> and email the guy back for the second one <scott-work> but i don't think i'll get to it till later this week (there's another email i want to address first) <rlameiro> i can change it, if i have the package list i can try to make it <scott-work> i was going to point him to the help.ubuntu.com pages <scott-work> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio being one <rlameiro> I just now found that Falktx is portuguese, and looking at the maps is not too far away from me, i sended him a PM on the ubuntuforums <scott-work> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Applications <rlameiro> maybe i can meet him <scott-work> and the last one to specifically point him towards <scott-work> rlameiro: where do you live, i was thinking it was close to Spain for some reason (and i hope i didn't offend you with the question) <rlameiro> Portugal, next to Spain <rlameiro> but near the Ocean <rlameiro> i live in two cities, depends the day, Porto and Aveiro <rlameiro> scott-work: well the latter link is great <rlameiro> maybe the main US wiki should point at it <scott-work> i've tried to keep it up to date <scott-work> we probably need to address the help. vs wiki. pages <rlameiro> yea <rlameiro> can I link to it? <rlameiro> or leave it like that? <rlameiro> we could probably duplicate the page, one on the hep and other on the US wiki <rlameiro> but its duplicate effort <scott-work> i'm not sure how to proceed with it right now, it's probably something for an upcoming meeting <rlameiro> yea <rlameiro> about the meetings, maybe there is a need to schedule one, at least to debate the US focus, so people can work, and gather information and man power to make it work <scott-work> by this weekend i'll schedule one <rlameiro> do you have some weekday in mind? <rlameiro> Sunday?? 15:00 GMT/UTC <scott-work> i haven't given it thought yet, but i'm up for about anytime <scott-work> is that the usual time we had before? <rlameiro> stochastic: ping <rlameiro> stochastic did schedules for the meetings, maybe he have a good idea on the best timings and days #ubuntustudio-devel 2010-05-05 <persia> ScottL: You were looking at http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/ubuntustudio.html earlier: it's just been refreshed to match the TB decision from the last meeting, and should now be an accurate representation of maverick. <ScottL_> super cool, thanks persia <persia> So I think we have 6 packages to get into Debian, 25 to resync with debian-multimedia, and 19 to merge. <persia> mscore *should* drop from Debian at some point. <rlameiro> hi there <rlameiro> ScottL: are you there? #ubuntustudio-devel 2010-05-06 <ScottL> rlameiro, hi, i'm here <ScottL> just cooking dinner <rlameiro> ok <rlameiro> ScottL: when you have some time ping me <ScottL> but go ahead if you have a question, i'm just going back an forth <rlameiro> i just founf FalkTX is from Portugal <rlameiro> I was speaking with him, to see if he is interested in help closely the team <ScottL> yeah, you said you might go visit him, that's pretty cool <rlameiro> well, he also makes an audio live cd <rlameiro> so, maybe he could be the guy to do it :D <ScottL> huh, that's pretty interesting, i'd be curious to see how well it tests <ScottL> does he have it available to people to download? <rlameiro> yes <rlameiro> he will be releasing it shortly <rlameiro> its based on ubuntu 10.04 <rlameiro> ScottL: https://launchpad.net/kxstudio <rlameiro> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/ <ScottL> i'm not against a live cd but it would need to serviceable fulfill a need <ScottL> but i am interested to see how it performs <ScottL> s/serviceable/serviceably <rlameiro> yeah <rlameiro> but the objective isnt more the live <rlameiro> but he packages a lot of software <rlameiro> if he could make it for ubuntu MOTU <rlameiro> it would be great <rlameiro> the liveCD/DVD is a bonus :D <rlameiro> also he already implemented jack2 <rlameiro> and a all jackified system <rlameiro> ScottL: well, it seems that he already released it <rlameiro> today :D <rlameiro> i will download it and test it <ScottL> sorry, was on phone call <rlameiro> np <ScottL> The.muso is already working on jack2 with the debain archives <ScottL> building the package and installing it is not all that's involved, getting it into the archives is essential <rlameiro> yea, i know <ScottL> that's funny that he released it today :) <rlameiro> but if it make to motu would be great <ScottL> i'll download it tonight <ScottL> does he want to be MOTU? <rlameiro> well, i dont know <rlameiro> i need to catch him on msn <ScottL> lol, yeah, that might be good to know first ;) <rlameiro> yea ;P <ScottL> stochastic has tried to get faltx to help the dev team already but he didn't really seem to committed <rlameiro> AFAIK, he doesnt have internet at home, he uses internet on a frinds house <rlameiro> he also doesnt use IRC... <rlameiro> kinda weird <rlameiro> but, maybe he could do some stuff <ScottL> but i *really* do want to see what the live CD will do in terms of performance <rlameiro> If you use it from a usb flash drive, it will be faster of course <ScottL> if he could document his process that would be good also <ScottL> it looks like it might be based on KDE from the documentation on sourceforge <rlameiro> it is based on KDE * abogani have just found a lot of interesting video/slides at http://lac.linuxaudio.org/2010/?page=program I really suggest you to take a look! :-) <rlameiro> ScottL: ping <ScottL> rlameiro, yes? <rlameiro> about yesterday conersation about falktx wanting to be motu or not, i found this falktx's alexanderlisa@example.com <rlameiro> At first I started packaging some basic stuff, then sent it to REVU (Ubuntu packages "reviewing" system, for non-official Ubuntu devs like me) <rlameiro> But it takes a long time to get a package accepted, and we are only 3 months away (and some days) from the final release... <rlameiro> So I decided to create a PPA and build the packages there. <rlameiro> The PPA location is: https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/lucid/ <rlameiro> ScottL, it seems that at least he wanted to try that the packages become "official" <ScottL> stochastic got him to submit the packages but then no one (including me :( ) followed up on them in REVU <ScottL> faltx has some incredible talents <ScottL> it would be great if we could harness them effectively <rlameiro> i am looking revu now <persia> He has been around before, but yeah, he needs a helping hand to get really involved. <persia> He seems good, so it's probably mostly a matter of building enough history of work on packages that he can be granted upload rights. <jussi> Lads, does anyone want to take over management of the ML? it could do with some custom filters to stop the spam a bit better and a little love, which I just dont have time to do. I can continue to run listadmin on a regular basis, but other than that I dont really have time. <jussi> ScottL: stochastic astraljava ^^ <rexbron> hey jussi <jussi> oh hai rexbron <scott-work> jussi: what is typically involved in maintaining the mailing list? I'm certainly interested <jussi> scott-work: basically maintaining some filters for spam, checking listadmin daily, not too much really. just needs someone to get inthere and weeed out some stuff. <scott-work> jussi: if you can't get stochastic or astraljava to do it then I will <jussi> scott-work: it can have any amount of people, so perhaps it worth passing out the passwords to a few people. <scott-work> jussi: good point, then count me in :) * persia suggests it's worth passing out the passwords to only a few *select* people (although more is often better, as long as it's the right more) <jussi> persia: I agree, but still, more than one <persia> Yes :) <scott-work> persia: i sent an email to cory per our discussion the other day, you were cc'd on it <persia> Heh. You've obviously come to understand how I read email :) <scott-work> heh, i was just typing that <scott-work> but i just wanted to give you a courtesy notice about it <scott-work> ach, work is crazy last week and this week, probably next week as well :( <scott-work> I just got my O'Reilly "Learning Python" 4th edition book, yay! <stochastic> jussi, I'm afraid I really don't know much about mailing list moderation <scott-work> hi stochastic ! <stochastic> hey scott-work <scott-work> !sru <ubottu> Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates <stochastic> scott-work, when are we going to plan to have the next team meeting? <stochastic> hey cory <ckontros> ScottL: I'ma total toolbag and forgot to reply to your imortant email last week. I'll get on it. As far as the lead goes, sure. You got my +1. <ckontros> Hi Eric. <persia> Hey ckontros! <ckontros> yo yo <persia> Did you get a chance to try lucid? Any huge condemnations other than our failure to allow anyone to configure networking? <ckontros> Sadly, I haven't tried Lucid/Studio in months. <persia> Oh my. You must be *really* busy! <ckontros> persia: More than I care to be for sure. <scott-work> hey, thanks ckontros, i appreciate that <ckontros> scott-work: If there's anything "official" you need me to do, let me know. * persia thinks that because the channel is logged, lots of officialness already happened :) <ckontros> ;) <scott-work> stochastic: do you have a preference for the next meeting? I was hoping to have it soon <scott-work> thanks again, cory <ckontros> np * scott-work is going home, but will check IRC at home #ubuntustudio-devel 2010-05-07 <ScottL> persia, i just read what you wrote about falktx <ScottL> having upload rights coupled with his dedication to audio applications could be a huge boon for Studio <ScottL> even if he doesn't join the team <rlameiro> ScottL: but i think he is part of the team <rlameiro> at least on launchpad <persia> I think he joined the team at some point <persia> But we ended up not giving him the support he needed to succeed within the team :( <rlameiro> https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j <ScottL> do you mean the ubuntustudio team? or the -dev team? <persia> Yes? <persia> I'm not sure we're large enough to have meaningful distinctions. <ScottL> ah, okay <persia> We all do some bug work, we all do some testing, many of us fiddle with PPAs or backport, etc. <ScottL> hopefully we can reengage him then :) * ScottL is going outside to watch kids while swimming <persia> That would be good, but we'll need to not drop the ball when he uploads improvements :) <ScottL> persia, you mean uploading to REVU? <persia> Or attaching good patches to bugs, etc. yeah. <ScottL> gotcha <persia> nedko was working with us fairly closely for a while, but we couldn't keep up with him, and he's now making the world better upstream. <jussi> morning all <persia> jussi: Backscroll has important data :) <persia> (about 8 hours back) <rlameiro> ScottL: well, the new info about jack using a different file for priority setting is already spreading http://puredata.info/docs/tutorials/HowToRunPDWithRealtimePriorityInUbuntu <scott-work> stochastic: did you have a preference for a meeting time? <scott-work> recently, the meetings have been on the 2nd Sunday of the month, but this one is Mother's Day, which obviously may not be good for many people <scott-work> I would suggest we try for the following weekend and the accustomed time: Sunday, May 15th @ 19:00 UTC <scott-work> how does that sound? <astraljava> Works for me. <scott-work> astraljava: good :) i'm really happy that you will be involved <astraljava> scott-work: Hope I'm of usage. :) <scott-work> i'm sure you will be <scott-work> and if everyone does a little then we can accomplish pretty great things ;) <astraljava> True. <stochastic> scott-work, you mean Sunday May 16th (not 15th) at 19:00UTC - that works for me. <scott-work> ack, you are correct stochastic <scott-work> good deal, i'll see about setting it up (wiki and emails) unless someone else really wants to do it #ubuntustudio-devel 2010-05-08 <jussi> ScottL: yes. I can (RE: your PM) =) <ckontros> jussi: The naming of the channel and ML is a a visual one. And IMO, I'd leave it as-is. I hated naming the ML that way. When I set it up w/elmo he said as much but I didn't care to push the issue. <ckontros> If there's no *technical* need to change, I'd give it a -1. <ckontros> crimsun: Is there a way to EQ *everything* that runs through ALSA? <ScottL> thanks jussi :) i appreciate it #ubuntustudio-devel 2010-05-09 <ScottL> detrate, when i get a list about the website how do i get it to you? <detrate> you can email me alexanderlisa@example.com <detrate> brb have to change login mangers <detrate> maybe some audiophiles know the answer as to why I cannot set virtual dj to "real time" process prority in windows 7 <detrate> I even found this "documentation" http://www.virtualdj.com/forums/8194/PC_Version_Technical_Support/VirtualDJ_Setup_Guide.html "DO NOT SET IT TO REAL TIME (DO NOT DO IT)" <detrate> but no reason why <ScottL> no idea detrate <ScottL> did you get my emails? <ScottL> hi abogani! <ScottL> abogani, did you say you were working on a i386 -rt kernel or am I an idiot? <detrate> yes I did, I haven't had time to go through them yet. Been cleaning up my living area and helping my mother. <abogani> ScottL: The -rt kernel ever shipped for amd64 and i386. <abogani> Since Feisty until now i386 is always available side bye side with the amd64 one. <ScottL> detrate, that's cool, no rush, i just wanted to make sure the email went through, go through it whenever you have a chance, it's lot! hehe <ScottL> abogani, are you saying that both the i386 and amd64 2.6.32 kernels did NOT have -rt kernel available? <ScottL> i thought there was at least the amd64 the kernel team was going to support <abogani> ScottL: 2.6.32-rt never see the light neither Ubuntu nor in other distributions. Simply don't exist. You you want an -rt kernel you should choose between 2.6.31 or 2.6.33. <abogani> s/You/If <astraljava> 2.6.33 exists somewhere? <ScottL> someone else had mentioned the 2.6.33 -rt kernel, i thought it was a typo, heh <abogani> ScottL: No it isn't a typo. <abogani> astraljava: Upstream <astraljava> abogani: Gotcha. <ScottL> i was talking to one of the #opensourcemusicians guys and he mentioned that the -generic kernel was performing quite nicely for him to record audio <ScottL> i've had good experiences with it as well <ScottL> but that aside, it's almost an unreasonable desire to have an -rt kernel, just because it's supposed to be "better" <ScottL> never mind that other kernels might fulfill my needs quite nicely :) <astraljava> Whoa: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9231554#post9231554 * astraljava makes a mental note to check the forums more often <astraljava> oops, sorry about the link, points to a single post for nothing, just meant the thread. <ScottL> i like trulan, he really digs into stuff and figures it out, kinda like AutoStatic <ScottL> AND they answer forum posts quite often :) <detrate> where's the dj chat at? Is there any place I can talk with other people who dj and learn about hardware etc? not just open-source based. <astraljava> detrate: Talk to luisbg, he might know. <detrate> ok <ScottL> you might need to email him since he's not on the IRC channel very often <detrate> that's a little ironic :-P <ScottL> http://luisbg.blogalia.com/ is his blog with contact info <ScottL> well, at least not on *this* channel very often, he used to be though <astraljava> ScottL: Is the meeting affirmed on 16th? <astraljava> s/affirmed/confirmed/g <ScottL> astraljava, yes, i should be sending email and posting on the wiki later today <ScottL> thanks for reminding me :) otherwise i would have forgotten the email/wiki <astraljava> ScottL: Oh good. :) <detrate> damn, I think this video just convinced me to buy this controller http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2pP4FDZERE #ubuntustudio-devel 2010-05-10 <ScottL> detrate, i watched that video, that hella cool! <detrate> I picked one up today and downloaded ableton. lots of fun <detrate> I like the way ableton sells their product versus how competitors do <detrate> it's a full feature application but you cannot save or export. <detrate> others will used 30 minutes sessions or gimped functionality <detrate> ableton is a very smooth, strong application, it is far more solid than virtual dj or traktor <scott-work> upcoming meeting is up on the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2010May16 <rlameiro> scott-work: thanks, maybe we could make a google calendar for the team, and the team just subscribes to the calendar <rlameiro> the ones with smrtphones etc, its very handy :D <astraljava> Agreed. <scott-work> rlameiro: that's a good idea! <scott-work> damn, he left already <scott-work> i was going to ask him to do it ;) <scott-work> quadrispro: you just saved me a lot of work :) thanks! re: zynjacku <scott-work> i think i have a google calendar set up at: http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=tv04341i2sesk9mvhmc0im53o8%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/Chicago <scott-work> i hope the time is right <scott-work> due to time zones <detrate-> scott-work: I'll check out those emails tonight, I was just enjoying my weekend and exercising my creative / technical mind by getting my audio setup built up a bit <detrate-> it's still not fully configured... and it's almost a myth that setting up audio equipment is easier on winodws <detrate-> I still have to figure out how to route my applications through jack so I can mix virtual dj and ableton before going to the soundcard <scott-work> detrate-: no problem, i just wanted to get my part done and to you so it's ready <scott-work> and lols @audio on windows myth <detrate-> traktor + my controller = pain in the ass to configure <detrate-> virtual dj just worked (though it's a LE version specific to my controller) <detrate-> ableton was pretty easy to get right <detrate-> ableton is magic <detrate-> I've been working on getting my controller(s) working with linux <detrate-> no such luck yet... I have the controller recognized... but no communication with mixxx yet <scott-work> i've never used ableton but i've heard some good thing about it though <scott-work> i've used Home Studio by Cakewalk and Ardour only <detrate-> I highly recommend you try ableton <detrate-> very solid feel to it <andyzweb> is PAE enabled or disabled in the 32-bit x86 10.04 kernel? <astraljava> andyzweb: Since there is a linux-generic-pae kernel package available for i386, I would assume it's disabled for the default one. <rlameiro> ScottL: ping <ScottL> rlameiro, pong <rlameiro> ScottL: did you looked at the mail i sent you? <rlameiro> I am aware now, that about the same time you also made a calendar... <rlameiro> :D <rlameiro> i love the irc logs on this channel, its awesome:D * ScottL just realized the kids spilt yogart on the floor <rlameiro> oops, thats is not good <ScottL> rlameiro, yes i looked at the email, i had to change the language to english from porteguese <ScottL> :) <rlameiro> sorry, i forgot <rlameiro> you have the account <rlameiro> you can change the password <rlameiro> and also the secondary e-mail, for future uses of the team <ScottL> i was going to use my own personal email account but i like this better, that was a good idea <ScottL> afk a bit #ubuntustudio-devel 2010-05-11 <rlameiro> hey scott-work :D <scott-work> hi rlameiro :) <rlameiro> scott-work: i was thinking on this yesterday, maybe we should integrate the calendar stuff on the website, maybe on the dev section, or maybe add a option to anyone interest to add his/her email to be warned/paged when meetings are comming <scott-work> i tried it briefly yesterday but the code didn't work correctly (well, at all actually) <scott-work> but maybe i did something wrong, why don't you try it also <scott-work> i tried it on wiki.ubuntu.com. maybe it might work on help.ubuntu.com <rlameiro> hummm i think you would need to bypass the wiki parser thing <rlameiro> i dont know if that is allowed on ubuntu's wikis <rlameiro> that could do a lot of harm, or be used for malicious purposes <scott-work> when the website is updated we can always include the google calendar into it <scott-work> rlameiro: what do you teach at your university? <scott-work> aren't you working on a masters or doctorate also? <rlameiro> finishing master on teaching music <rlameiro> i am thinking on aplying next year for PhD on music <scott-work> don't you use pure data at school? <rlameiro> investigating someting related with opensource/libre technologies for the use on music and show arts <scott-work> studying the effects of open source/libre software in the university (benefits to students and university) would be a great meta-research paper :) <scott-work> rlameiro: take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ReleasePlanning <rlameiro> well, if i make, will be on a performance perspective, and how would it be used or if it can be usefull for a musical show performance <scott-work> i would like to explore developing some new, additional audiences which would include univeristy audio labs as we have discussed previously <rlameiro> also, maybe develop, my own tools for it <scott-work> i'm hoping that you, stochastic and I can research their needs <rlameiro> scott-work: yeap, its a long run, but a worthy one <rlameiro> scott-work: i am thinking on creating a kind of debate group about this <rlameiro> i know ubuntu has edubuntu, but there are big differences on what we want to acomplish, and implement on a university <rlameiro> there is a lot of things to address on this point <rlameiro> technically speaking and philosophically <rlameiro> scott-work: so, maybe a working group could be made to address this <rlameiro> there are a number of persons useing puredata on universities and a lot of them use it on ubuntu/ubuntustudio <rlameiro> we could group with software groups to ask what they would expect for a media distro on a college enviroment <rlameiro> and maybe we can "develop" a speciffic metapackage that address the speciffical needs <rlameiro> for instance, ubuntustudio doesnt come out of the box with super collider/ clam libs etc <rlameiro> faust and some other more in depth tools that are used on composition college courses <rlameiro> going away now <rlameiro> tests time <scott-work> rlameiro: technically speaking, i believe if a application (or suite of applications) is in the ubuntu archives then it could be included in a default installation with a few caveats <scott-work> one of those caveats might be restricted items, such as mp3 codecs <scott-work> but my larger point is that we, as the Ubuntu Studio team, have latitude to include the applications that we feel serve the needs of our audiences <astraljava> I like the idea of using tasks for that. Not perhaps in the default installation, but that should be discussed. I believe it is anyhow for this cycle? <scott-work> we could use tasksel during the alternate installation to choose these things as well (heh, i think this might be what astraljava just said) <scott-work> astraljava: i'm not sure i understand your comment about this cycle? <astraljava> Exactly. :) <astraljava> scott-work: Well I assume that US is supposed to take a closer look at what it's trying to deliver, and most importantly, to whom. <astraljava> ...or that's anyway what I understood of the little talk a while back with Troy et al. <scott-work> i was hoping that this cycle we could explore who are current audience is, what their needs are, and how are we addressing those needs :) <astraljava> I think that's exactly what I was trying to say, but poorly. :D * astraljava isn't a native English-speaker, so doesn't always make his point clear. <scott-work> towards the end of this cycle i was hoping that we might start exploring other additional audiences, just identifying them and what we think their charactersitics are and maybe decide which ones to research <scott-work> astraljava: i don't think unclear points are limited to non-native English speakers due to this medium (IRC), there are several native English speakers that i routinely misunderstand ;) <astraljava> Hehe. :) I guess you have a point there. <scott-work> i'm wondering if we could use tasksel to allow the users to select items not included on the ISO to install as well, i'm thinking specifically of mp3 codecs? would it download say, ubuntu-restricted-extras and install it? <scott-work> this would be a potential way around "not shipping on the ISO" although a bit dodgy admittedly <astraljava> If the network gets configured before that, I don't see why not. Something to think about, anyway. <astraljava> Off to a baseball game, see ya later. :) <detrate-> scott-work: have you read shuttleworths post about ubuntu light? <scott-work> i have detrate- , it seemed to address notebooks quite a bit (and interestingly freedesktop and kubuntu) <scott-work> oh, and 7 sec internet <detrate-> well for 10.10 it's strongly aimed towards netbooks but they have a desktop version planned <detrate-> btw, wordpress 3.0 is set to release this month <detrate-> and it makes some moves towards being more of a CMS <scott-work> i fear that eventually Shuttleworth, et all, are going to implement something so horribly invasive it's going to change Ubuntu Studio (re: changes in 10.10) <scott-work> good news about wordpress 3.0 (unless it's horribly buggy) <detrate-> well, ubuntu netbook remix already starts LOCKING things down <detrate-> you cannot edit the main panel <detrate-> they call this a 'feature' <detrate-> because it's really a cheap workaround to stop conflicts if you change to "desktop mode" <detrate-> but I do not like the idea of being locked out of an open-system, feels very OS X like <detrate-> also scott-work, I think I've found someone to do the design of the new website <detrate-> which frees up more of my time to do the technical parts <rlameiro> scott-work: well, the software/tools i talked about are on the ubuntu repos, no restricted things, so it could be "easy" to make a specific metapackge that address that <rlameiro> also we can "advertise" that on the upstream channels of each software/tool and look at the feedback <rlameiro> I think we should keep with ubuntu, but we cant forget mainstream, we are to little, and niche distro to only look at ubuntu as a "example" <rlameiro> we need to listen users, and needs, and i think we also have an moral obligation in the implementations of techonological things like jack2/lv2/pulseaudio/ etc <rlameiro> and making pressing on development circles to port software from OSS to ALSA/pulseaudio <rlameiro> or to support natively jack and etc <rlameiro> this will never be made by ubuntu, because we have the niche needs that ubuntu vanilla doesnt have <scott-work> detrate-: hey, that's some good news! <scott-work> keep in mind i will certainly be available do make copy, content, etc for the new website as well <scott-work> rlameiro: all that you said sound good :) * scott-work is going to one of my weekly meetings :( <rexbron> detrate-: To play devils advocate for a moment, the main reason that Shuttleworth is 'locking' things down like that is for the OEMs (which ubuntu Light is only available for irrc) and the audience it is ment to serve * scott-work is back from meeting <detrate-> rexbron: NBR isn't ubuntu light <scott-work> abogani: ping <abogani> scott-work: pong <scott-work> we were discussing -rt kernel earlier and i got distracted, just to make sure i understand (sorry if i'm being dense or obtuse) a 2.6.32 -rt kenerl does *NOT* exist for either i386 or amd64? <abogani> scott-work: rt for 2.6.32 never exist neither for Ubuntu nor for any others. <abogani> scott-work: Don't worry feel free to request as you needs. <detrate-> is it safe to use ext4 for /boot these days? <abogani> detrate-: Yes safe for alexanderlisa@example.com. <abogani> little doubt: "I suggest to you" or "I suggest you" ? <detrate-> :-P I'll be a risk taker, whatever <detrate-> I haven't had any problems using it as / or /home for the past few months <abogani> jussi: I think than we should evaluate an "exit strategy" for rt kernel into Studio/ <scott-work> abogani: how is your PPU application proceeding? <abogani> detrate-: The best is place /boot on a different partition with a simple fs like ext2 and use it ro. <abogani> scott-work: My application was the only one rejected. <abogani> scott-work: little doubt: "I suggest to you" or "I suggest you" ? <detrate-> yeah, I've been using ext3 for my /boot <detrate-> but I figured I'd give ext4 a shot <scott-work> abogani: i'm really, really sorry to hear that about your application :( <abogani> scott-work: And I don't found a job yet. :-( <abogani> scott-work: What is the right: "I suggest to you" or "I suggest you" ? <scott-work> depends on context really, it could be "I suggest you jump off a building" or "I suggest that you consult a medical professional" <scott-work> you could also say "I would suggest to you that she is the reason it is wrong" <abogani> scott-work: Ok. Thanks. <scott-work> abogani: glad to help. anytime you need help just let me know <abogani> scott-work: Thanks your kindness. <abogani> scott-work: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-users/2010-May/006243.html <scott-work> lol abogani, you responded to the email that reminded me of our conversation <abogani> scott-work: :-) <abogani> scott-work: If you notice (now and in the future) some big errors let me know, please! <scott-work> abogani: i thought your email response was quite fitting and well stated <abogani> scott-work: By the way (and last thing) Is there a Lead for UbuntuStudio? <scott-work> abogani: I have requested to be lead <abogani> scott-work: Could you give me 15 min? <scott-work> certainly <abogani> scott-work: Ok :-) <scott-work> okay <abogani> scott-work: Please go ahead! <scott-work> oh, okay :) <scott-work> so far several people have given me encourangment and their support <scott-work> but i haven't really made a formal declaration either about my intent <scott-work> but of course since this a logged channel i suppose i have now :P <scott-work> quadrispro: when I was working on the zynjacku package i noticed that two binaries were built: zynjacu and lv2rack <scott-work> from the debian bug report i didn't notice any mention of lv2rack, is it included still? <scott-work> abogani: i'm sorry if that seems anticlimatic after possible buildup derived from the delay <quadrispro> ehy scott-work, I'm leaving right now, however I don't know, i will see later <scott-work> quadrispro: okay, no rush, i was just curious <abogani> scott-work: Sorry Scott but I'm not sure to have well understand what are you trying to say me. <astraljava> scott-work: Yeah you can't back down now. :) <scott-work> lol astraljava <quadrispro> scott-work, lv2rack is powerful jack rack for lv2 plugins <quadrispro> and yep, it's included <scott-work> quadrispro: i had built and submitted zynjacku for REVU but persia slayed me with comments :P <scott-work> all deserved i'm sure as it was my first reall attempt at packaging <scott-work> but yes, i agree about lv2rack, which why i was so concered ;) <scott-work> and thanks for looking so quickly <quadrispro> you're welcome, we still have a lot of work to do <quadrispro> scott-work, now I'm working together with Jaromir, that guy demonstrates everyday his great packaging skills <quadrispro> scott-work, many packages are arrving through NEW queue :) <quadrispro> guys, see you later <abogani> scott-work: :-? <scott-work> abogani: is that question in response to my "anticlimatic" statement? <abogani> scott-work: No. Simply I don't understand your statement. And FIY I never heard "anticlimatic" word. :-) <abogani> *FYI <abogani> scott-work: Don't worry to be polite with me :-) <rlameiro> lol <abogani> scott-work: but please be simple to understand for stupid person like me ;) <abogani> scott-work: If you think that your statement is simply too rough for channel you can send it via private message. <scott-work> abogani: a climax (can be sexual) but also a dramatic point in a movie involving suspence...it usually builds up to quick, sharp resolution, that resolution is a climax <scott-work> i thought perhaps you had left the channel to get a drink and some popcorn waiting for a good story or intrigue and felt like my explanation of the lead situation was rather meager <abogani> No way I don't alexanderlisa@example.com... * abogani run to read all back logs <abogani> Ahhhhhhhhh * abogani missed _totally_ that: "scott-work: abogani: I have requested to be lead" <abogani> scott-work: Sorry without that sentence there isn't a chance for me to understand all follow statements :-) * abogani is stupid <rlameiro> abogani: you are to hard with yourself... * abogani surprised he ever supposed that stochastic became lead and Scott follow him as "right arm". <abogani> "Right arm" is comprehensible for you? <abogani> rlameiro: Never enough <rlameiro> hehe, well Right arm is also a portuguese expression, i do get it <abogani> rlameiro: :-) <abogani> rlameiro: Portuguese du Brasil? <rlameiro> no, from Portugal <abogani> rlameiro: Beautiful <rlameiro> IIRC you are from Milan, aren't you? <abogani> rlameiro: No. I'm live in Prato at 17 km near Florence in the middle of Italy. <rlameiro> hummm Florence :D are you a Fiorentina fan? <abogani> rlameiro: No I don't like "calcio" (football soccer) at all :-) <abogani> rlameiro: Coimbra? <rlameiro> abogani: i am teaching here at Coimbra, but I live in Porto, and i am from Aveiro <rlameiro> did you checked my IP? <abogani> rlameiro: No I prefer request directly. <rlameiro> abogani: i thought you checked my ip GEO, because i am in Coimbra :D <abogani> rlameiro: I force myself from use whois or other trace tools. <abogani> rlameiro: No simply it is my favorite city in Portugal ;-) <rlameiro> abogani: its tempting, isnt it :D <rlameiro> yea, really beautifull, but there are others too <abogani> rlameiro: For example? <rlameiro> Evora, Braga, Some parts of Porto and Lisbon, Aveiro, and some more small cities/places <rlameiro> abogani: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89vora <abogani> rlameiro: I'm prefer Coimbra over Braga. About Porto and Lisboa beautiful cities but I don't like "metropolis". Evora I missed it. <abogani> scott-work: In any case I'm very happy to know that you'll became new Leader. I regret that probably I don't see the result of you work. Good luck for all! :-) <rlameiro> abogani: yea, thats the reason i mentioned parts of it :D, Aveiro its also beatyfull, people call it the portuguese venice <rlameiro> well need to go <scott-work> abogani: i was hoping stochastic would transition into the lead position also, and as you say I was expected to support him as much as i could (ala "right arm") <scott-work> but it appeared to no one was assuming the leadership role <scott-work> s/to/that <scott-work> ubuntu studio is too important to me so i am happy to fill the position as i best can <scott-work> abogani: why do you say you probably will not see the result of the work? <abogani> scott-work: Simply because I sell my things and the next are: ADSL, laptop and car. <abogani> s/sell/'m selling <abogani> scott-work: Accept an suggestion: please be essential. Don't do too much things and don't let
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