#ubuntu-design 2011-12-01
<JohnLea> ?
<AlanBell> hi JohnLea
<AlanBell> !
<daker> what are the essentiel features on a TV ?
<daker> AlanBell, mhall119 ?
<AlanBell> hi daker
<AlanBell> the #ubuntu-tv channel is probably a better place for that question
<AlanBell> for me, watching TV is an essential feature of a TV
<AlanBell> change channels and adjust volume
<daker> ok thanks AlanBell
<bwinton_> AlanBell: I wonder if channels are really an essential feature of a TVâ¦
<mhall119> bwinton_: s/channels/feeds/
<mhall119> a channel is just a time-based feed of media
<bwinton_> mhall119: Even then.  I might buy s/feeds/shows/
<mhall119> bwinton_: a feed is an updating list of shows
<bwinton_> It seems to me that the time-based part of TV is going away.  Slowly, ironically.  :)
<mhall119> yes, i tis
<bwinton_> mhall119: Okay, I'ld buy that definition.
<mhall119> so you might have an NBC feed, and you also might have an "Alan Bell's favorite shows he's sharing with you" feed
<mhall119> and also a "Firefly: the TV series" feed
<bwinton_> mhall119: And then I would weep for the episodes that won't be produced.  :)
<mhall119> bwinton_: that's the best part, the produces of Firefly can produce it, include their own advertising, and distrubute it without having to sell it to a cable company
 * imnichol is away: I'm busy
 * imnichol is back (gone 00:00:41)
<AlanBell> imnichol: can you turn off the noisy away script please
<imnichol> Yeah someone in ubuntu+1 already told me
<imnichol> Sorry
<AlanBell> no problem, thanks
<imnichol> I plead ignorance of IRC ;)
<imnichol> Which carries only a 10 year sentence
<svwilliams> AlanBell, is that a default of some IRC clients?
<svwilliams> I am also a IRC ignorant :-)
<AlanBell> not sure svwilliams, it isn't a default of my client :)
<svwilliams> it doesn't appear to be default in mine ... but I figured it could be
#ubuntu-design 2011-12-02
<dholbach> good morning
<mainerror> Morning.
<om26er> bug 885544 anyone have thoughts?
<webbugs> Launchpad bug 885544 in unity (Ubuntu) "Pressing OS Key shows Lens in FullScreen Apps/Games" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/885544
<AlanBell> om26er: you can change or turn off the hotkey in unity preferences in ccsm
<AlanBell> I did that as the host was grabbing it when working in VMs
<AlanBell> I think that is a reasonable solution to someone accidentally pressing it
<mhall119> AlanBell: do you happen to have a Pencil template for Phone/Tablet too?
<AlanBell> no, but I did find a great android sketching collection
<AlanBell> http://code.google.com/p/evoluspencil/ download available here
<mhall119> AlanBell: I was looking for something to mockup Unity on tablets and phones
<AlanBell> yes, I was planning on doing that once it was a success in -tv, which I think it is
<AlanBell> the android stencil set has a great phone template in it
<AlanBell> what is the aspect ratio of a tablet?
<AlanBell> they will need landscape and portrait orientations
<mhall119> I'd call Pencil a success, yes
<jderose> AlanBell: seems most android tablets are 16:9, som 16:10, and i believe the ipad is 4:3
<MrChrisDruif> Hi everyone
<MrChrisDruif> How's it going here?
<Ronnie> hey MrChrisDruif, also into design?
<MrChrisDruif> Ronnie; Yeah, just a bit =)
<MrChrisDruif> We've got a bit of a design dilemma @ #ubuntu-phone
<MrChrisDruif> And imnichol thought I was the better communicator of the two of us =')
<MrChrisDruif> So naturally I laughed, but still here I am ;-)
<Ronnie> ;)
<MrChrisDruif> imnichol; I know Ronnie from my LoCo
<Ronnie> MrChrisDruif: i didnt know there was a ubuntu-phone project. where can i find some info about it?
<MrChrisDruif>  /join #ubuntu-phone
<MrChrisDruif> All the info is in the topic
<MrChrisDruif> Ronnie; you might also like #ubuntu-tv and #ubuntu-tablet
<Ronnie> oh, these are very wide projects
<MrChrisDruif> Well, me and imnichol thought we have to do much for ubuntu-tablet
<imnichol> I think you mean "won't have to do much"
<MrChrisDruif> Yeah, typo over there =)
<MrChrisDruif> Sorry aboot that (Yes, I said that like a Canadian according to South Park ;-) )
<Ronnie> big difference typo ;)
<MrChrisDruif> We can't be all perfect Ronnie & imnichol ;-)
<imnichol> ;)
<Ronnie> i won't even try to be ;)
<MrChrisDruif> Anyhow, about that design dilemma...
<MrChrisDruif> With the current Unity design for Desktop/Tablet we've got no problems. However with the small screens of Phones, we've got an issue
<MrChrisDruif> Unity is more design for screens in landscape orientation, whereas Phones natural position is portrait orientation
<MrChrisDruif> imnichol mentioned webos or something like that, which is similar to Unity except for the location of the Unity bar, which is on the bottom. I think it would be a smart thing to do for Ubuntu Phone in portrait mode
<MrChrisDruif> Thought anyone?
<AlanBell> dunno, sketch up a few options and show them to sabdfl
<MrChrisDruif> That might be a good idea
<sabdfl> hello
<sabdfl> issue with bottom launcher is density and width
<sabdfl> also, thumb flex
<sabdfl> perhaps an android app to test on your favourite phone?
<MrChrisDruif> I didn't know sabdfl was here =)
<sabdfl> I AM EVERYWHERE ;-)
<MrChrisDruif> Haha ='D
<MrChrisDruif> So you think we should keep the bar on the long side?
<AlanBell> MrChrisDruif: there is a set of android templates for pencil which includes a perfectly good empty phone frame to draw stuff in
<MrChrisDruif> (There are pro's and con's to either decision I think)
<AlanBell> workspace switcher is important on a phone
<imnichol> Is it/
<imnichol> *Is it?
<AlanBell> more important than on a TV
<AlanBell> possibly
<MrChrisDruif> Yes, you want to switch applications regularly on a phone
<imnichol> But that doesn't mean switching workplaces
<MrChrisDruif> And on a phone they should be full screen
<AlanBell> true imnichol
<imnichol> If all apps are full screen, there's no reason to have workspaces
<MrChrisDruif> Well, I think there is =)
<AlanBell> I was actually thinking about my android home page with 5 swipeable pages of apps
<imnichol> That's a different thing that I actually agree with
<AlanBell> 7 pages actually
<imnichol> My pre has 3
<MrChrisDruif> You can switch workspaces more easily then apps on the same screen I think
<AlanBell> with widgets and app launcher buttons
<MrChrisDruif> To lure users to the Ubuntu Phone things like widget are pretty useful/necessary
<MrChrisDruif> I think
<MrChrisDruif> AlanBell; do you happen to know where to find those templates of android phone for Pencil?
#ubuntu-design 2011-12-03
<AlanBell> MrChrisDruif: linked here http://code.google.com/p/evoluspencil/
<MrChrisDruif> Great =)
<MrChrisDruif> Is the design team just been around since mid November?
<CrazyThinker> Why is the default launcher icon size so big?
<nigelb> MrChrisDruif: Nope. They've been around since at least before Lucid.
<nigelb> But this channel has only been around post-UDS.
<MrChrisDruif> "Revision 1 as of 2011-11-16 15:37:07"
<MrChrisDruif> That's from the wiki page
<MrChrisDruif> Post which UDS? ;-)
<nigelb> The last one.
<MrChrisDruif> Ahh, UDS-P
<nigelb> Right. Sorry.
<MrChrisDruif> It's alright =)
<mhall119> MrChrisDruif: there was a session at UDS-P about building the relationship between Canonical's design team and the community designers, and this channel is one of the outcomes of that discussion
<mhall119> MrChrisDruif: there's also an ~ubuntu-design team on Launchpad now
<MrChrisDruif> Yeah, I saw =)
#ubuntu-design 2011-12-05
<dholbach> good morning
<mhall119> good morning dholbach
<dholbach> hi mhall119
<mainerror> Hello.
<mainerror> So we have time until February 23rd with our little project right?
<mhall119> mainerror: what do you mean?
<mhall119> in order to get the work into the repositories?
<mainerror> Well that is the user interface freeze as far as I understood.
<Omega> mainerror: What little project?
<mainerror> Re-designing a game in Ubuntu.
<Omega> Cool!
<MrChrisDruif> Which one? I thought there were 3?
<mainerror> Well I'm not sure to be honest. Did we decide to work an all three projects?
<MrChrisDruif> I don't know =P
<MrChrisDruif> There are 3 options at least =P
<MrChrisDruif> mainerror; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesignTeam#Initial_project:_Game_design
#ubuntu-design 2011-12-06
<dholbach> good morning
<mainerror> mhall119: Nice phone mockups there.
<mainerror> I'm really not sure I can see the point of Ubuntu on the phone though.
<mainerror> I mean from the mockups it almost looks like Android.
<mainerror> Oh, hey doctormon. You've asked me on what I'd like to work. To be honest I don't really know what tasks are open so I can't tell.
<doctormon> mainerror: Tasks open. there are lots of tasks open, everything from mocking to programming.
<doctormon> mainerror: What I'd like to know is what you're most interested in doing and how you think you can help.
<MrChrisDruif> doctormon; doctormo from the inkscape mock-upping?
#ubuntu-design 2011-12-07
<dholbach> good morning
<yaili> good morning
<nigelb> Morning yaili. How was the move? :)
<yaili> nigelb: good, thanks
<nigelb> :)
<mainerror> Good morning.
<doctormon> hey mainerror
<doctormon> MrChrisDruif: Yes
<wendar> meeting coming up in a few minutes...
<MrChrisDruif> I'll try to attend it with my mobile
 * MrChrisDruif is semi present
<wendar> greetings all
<wendar> #startmeeting
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<AlanBell> o/
<wendar> I've started collecting introductions, so we all know who eachother are
<wendar> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesignTeam/Introductions
<wendar> anyone new this week, like to say hi and let us know what you're interested in?
<bwinton> Hi, I'm Blake Winton, the UX lead for Thunderbird.  I don't really have a lot to say here, so I'll mostly be lurking.  ;)
<wendar> welcome, bwinton :)
<wendar> everyone, feel free to edit the introduction I pasted in for you (straight from earlier meetings)
<wendar> or, add one if I missed you
<wendar> [TOPIC] current projects
<wendar> The two main things we're working on at the moment are a quick design review of the 4digits game, and more generally on design tools.
<wendar> (tools/worklflows)
<wendar> Any updates on the tools front over the past week?
<wendar> What I'd like to do today is more of a practical working session, that actually involves both projects.
<wendar> Specifically, the next step on 4digits is to start taking screenshots, marking them up, and figuring out what we want to improve.
<wendar> But, we're struggling a bit with tools.
<wendar> One suggestion is inkscape, but it's hard for multiple people to collaborate over an inkscape doc.
<wendar> A bunch of people have been trying out different tools in the past few weeks.
<wendar> Do you have some suggestions?
<wendar> AlanBell: could Pencil help here? Or, the same collaboration limitations?
<MrBadWiki> o/ just saying "hi"
<wendar> hi DrDruif, welcome
<DrDruif> Thanks
<wendar> would you like to introduce yourself?
<DrDruif> I'm on a mobile with only touchscreen input, so I'll keep it short
<DrDruif> My normal IRC name is MrChrisDruif, I've joined ubuntu beginners about a year ago and more recently I've become active again with ubuntu tv and tablet
<DrDruif> AlanBell already knows me as well as a few others
<DrDruif> I've got no history in graphics or design, but I'd like to learn about it.
<DrDruif> That's it for now =)
<wendar> very cool, glad you could join :)
 * DrDruif celebrates the joys of modern technology =)
<wendar> AlanBell: I'm thinking we're going to end up using google docs for now.
<Omega> Hello!
<DrDruif> For text files? (I've missed a part of the meeting)
<DrDruif> Hi Omega
<Omega> I'm Omega, I've been using Ubuntu for a while, I've no background in graphics nor design either! What I am interested in is the thought that goes after design :)
<DrDruif> Etherpad also works pretty well for text files and multi person editing
<Omega> s/after/behind
<DrDruif> You can even see who changed what
<wendar> DrDruif: for images, particularly for marking up screenshots of an app to highlight areas for design improvements
<DrDruif> Alright
<wendar> DrDruif: Etherpad for images would be awesome :)
<mhall119> doctormon was working on some ideas for that
<DrDruif> Indeed, but if everyone just wished it would be available/useable in etherpad, then nobody will do it. The devs of etherpad should know about it
<DrDruif> Good to hear about doctormon is doing something about it =)
<mhall119> the devs of etherpad work for Google now, doing something else.  Maybe the Etherpad Lite folks though
<DrDruif> And the code from google wave? Is that any useable?
<wendar> mhall119: that's true, doctormon mentioned it last week (was looking for a link), I'll check in with him and see if it's usable yet
<wendar> mhall119: it may be a "next project we can use this" thing
<wendar> DrDruif: was that code ever open sourced?
<DrDruif> It's free to download, but only for a limited time. They've abandoned the project
<DrDruif> And they'll want to remove it from their servers
<DrDruif> I didn't party any notice to it, because it was to no use for me (not a dev as well)
<DrDruif> Party is pay
<mainerror> Did I miss the meeting?
<DrDruif> And I hope it's still available
<DrDruif> Still going mainerror
<mainerror> Great.
<DrDruif> I'll look it up when I'm back home if there is any interest
<wendar> DrDruif: interesting, did they release the code with the idea that someone else might pick it up and maintain it?
<DrDruif> I'd have to look it up
<wendar> DrDruif: oooh, look http://incubator.apache.org/wave/
<wendar> So, they handed it over to Apache
<DrDruif> If you say so, I'd have to look it up
<wendar> I just ran across it from http://code.google.com/apis/wave/
<wendar> mainerror: so, we're talking about what tools to use for 4digits
<mainerror> Yup. Just read the transcript.
<wendar> I'm still thinking we're going to end up on google docs for now, so we're not blocking the tiny project on tools.
<DrDruif> Agreed
<mhall119> +1
<wendar> I'd be happier with open tools, but we're working on those at the same time, and will have them for later projects.
<mainerror> +1
<mainerror> We can use the Drawing function.
<wendar> mainerror: ah, trying it out now...
<wendar> yeah, looks workable
<mainerror> https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1rSPWpmu6L6APUUzsxL2OySNmCbabF3QXRVOnZTNf-s4/edit
<mainerror> This is an example.
<mainerror> People can now join my session with this link and participate.
<mainerror> At least I hope they can.
<mainerror> Can anyone confirm it?
<DrDruif> Maybe later
<mainerror> Oh yea, to edit it you have to be logged in with the current settings.
<wendar> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fkV98vNooG8y8BlAeZ5WAL-5tT-57FpC2MD8qI0tS94/edit?hl=en_US
<mainerror> Now everyone can edit it.
<wendar> yah, zigactly, lovely
<DrDruif> =)
<wendar> and, the drawings can be tied together in a text document, so you can walk through the app in sections
<wendar> with some description between
 * DrDruif is on sake
<mainerror> So until we have our own tool I think this is a good option.
<mainerror> Alright. What is next on the agenda?
<wendar> yup, I'm getting real-time updates as we edit
<wendar> mainerror: someone mentioned this week that they were interested in participating, but weren't sure what tasks were on offer
<wendar> I think it'd be useful to start collecting together "ways you can get involved in design with Ubuntu"
<wendar> we have the two projects, a little game, and moving forward tools
<wendar> but, that's just what's new
<wendar> there's icons for projects, teams, and websites
<wendar> there's the tv/tablet/phone projects
<wendar> and lots of other pieces volunteer designers have already been doing
<DrDruif> That's where I'm focusing attention
<DrDruif> Tv and phone that is
<mainerror> For that problem I would like to propose the use of https://trello.com/
<mainerror> The Community team is trying it out as well.
<DrDruif> Trello?
<wendar> looks cool, is it open source?
<mainerror> Uhm, I'm not quite sure if it is to be honest.
<wendar> doesn't look like it, too bad
<mainerror> https://trello.com/board/community-team/4e6febfb247e35000000aab1
<wendar> but, again, use what you've got, build something better :)
<mainerror> This is the community team trello board.
<mainerror> The problem is that right now I couldn't tell what someone could work on.
<mainerror> We need something where people always know whats going on.
<wendar> you can't tell from the community team's trello board?
<wendar> or, you can't tell from the design side, and it's easier with the trello board?
<mainerror> I'm talking about us right now.
<mainerror> You can tell from the community trello board.
<wendar> agreed, right  now it's tough to find a design task to pick up
<wendar> I'd be happy to try out trello
<mainerror> I mean we could also make use of the harvest site.
<mainerror> Was it called like that? I'm not sure.
<wendar> you mean http://harvest.ubuntu.com/?
<mainerror> Yup, that's the site.
<wendar> like, add a "design" tab at http://harvest.ubuntu.com/opportunities/
<mainerror> Yea, that'd be an option I guess.
<wendar> looks like it's organized by package
<wendar> we have more freeflowing tasks
<DrDruif> Opportunities? I'm interested
<wendar> DrDruif: it's a site that helps people find bugs to work on
<mainerror> Well the harvest site should be open source I guess. We could investigate on that and find out if we could use it for us. Self-hosted and modified.
<wendar> mainerror: yes, that's a good tool to follow up on
<wendar> also, ubuntu brainstorm
<mainerror> Indeed although UB would need a heavy redesign if you ask me. Not that it'd stop us from using but still.
<wendar> contributing design work to existing tools is certainly in scope for the group
<wendar> it's a collaborative thing
<DrDruif> I'm dining of. I'm at a dinner (japanese)
<wendar> brainstorm is more "post a design problem, and post alternative solutions, then get review and feedback on the solutions"
<wendar> but, it's very text oriented at the moment
<wendar> still, potential, down the road
<wendar> jono (if you're listening): have you been using trello? any thoughts on how well it works?
<mainerror> Oh I actually meant a redesign of its UI. Get rid of some clutter, get it in line with the official Ubuntu webdesign guidelines.
<wendar> that's in scope too, if the maintainers are amenable to collaborating on it
 * mainerror nods
<wendar> I know nuthinking has been trying to get in touch with the brainstorm maintainers
<wendar> (to volunteer some design time)
<nuthinking> wendar: I am leaving the office
<nuthinking> wendar: but
<nuthinking> wendar: I can tell you that while there should be resources to update its look and feel
<nuthinking> wendar: there aren't resources to improve its functionalities
<nuthinking> wendar: do you need any other information before I leave? :)
<mainerror> Well I'd be happy with the look and feel improvements already.
<wendar> nuthinking: that's great, thanks!
<nuthinking> ok, I go home then! ;) Bye everyone!
<mainerror> Bye.
<wendar> yeah, the functionality is useful now
<jono> wendar, I haven't used it much, but Jorge has :-)
<jono> he seems to like it
<mainerror> Oh yea, if you guys want an invite in the Ubuntu Design Trello team, please send me your email address.
<wendar> mainerror: I was just going to ask if you'd created one already :)
<wendar> mainerror: sure, I'll join and try it out
<wendar> Any other topics for this week?
<mainerror> Not from my part.
<mainerror> I just wanted to tell you about Trello. :)
<wendar> :)
<wendar> cool, thanks everybody!
<wendar> #endmeeting
<meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Dec  7 18:28:23 2011 UTC.
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<mainerror> Oh yea. The screenshot in the Google Drawing doc is for this bug report.
<mainerror> 891804
<mainerror> bug 891804
<webbugs> Launchpad bug 891804 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Software Center wastes space" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/891804
<MrChrisDruif> Hi everyone
<MrChrisDruif> wendar, did
<mainerror> Hello.
<MrChrisDruif> I miss much after I left?
<wendar> hi
<MrChrisDruif> mainerror, hi
<wendar> MrChrisDruif: nope
<wendar> we talked a bit more about brainstorm
<MrChrisDruif> Brainstorm.ubuntu.com ?
<wendar> yup, mainly just about "updating" the design to go with the other ubuntu sites
<MrChrisDruif> Alright
<wendar> and jasox and I are going to start collecting screenshots of 4digits
<MrChrisDruif> Did we go into the theme of moinmoin on wiki and help?
<wendar> nope, didn't go into that
<wendar> did you have a question/idea there?
<MrChrisDruif> What is 4digits actually? ^_^
<MrChrisDruif> I didn't check the website tbh
<MrChrisDruif> I'll check it later
<MrChrisDruif> Well, two things actually
<MrChrisDruif> The new theme recently added lines above every header, which can be added manually. I think it's *not* a god idea to force it with every header
<MrChrisDruif> And when is ubuntu planning on changing the theme on help?
<MrChrisDruif> I think the new theme is ready for prime time on help
<MrChrisDruif> ?
<MrChrisDruif> I'll be back in a bit. Mobile internet probably isn't responding and need to ride my bike
<mainerror> You mean the login header?
<MrChrisDruif> Good evening
<MrChrisDruif> Was every message I send received here?
<MrChrisDruif> About my ideas about the moinmoin theme?
<mhall119> MrChrisDruif: yes
<MrChrisDruif> Alright, I wasn't getting any response, but I'm blaming that on my mobile/carrier network
<mhall119> I think there just wasn't anybody around to respond
<MrChrisDruif> wendar was around at the time I think
<MrChrisDruif> Btw, I'm finally home =)
<mhall119> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/12/07/%23ubuntu-design.html#t21:35
<MrChrisDruif> Haha, mainerror responded just after I left =)
<MrChrisDruif> mainerror; no I didn't mean the login header (single sign-on thing you meant right?) I'm talking about the actually wiki pages. You can have different "headers" or what their name might be
<MrChrisDruif> That are those == Title 2 == things etc...
<MrChrisDruif> ??
<MrChrisDruif> Nobody?
#ubuntu-design 2011-12-08
<wendar> It seems I missed MrChrisDruif by about 20 mins :(
<wendar> I'll email him so he gets a reply...
<AlanBell> hmm, I see an interesting problem with this design process and what is going on with the 4digits thing on google docs
<AlanBell> the only comment so far is a circle round the quit button and comment that it needs a clearer icon
<AlanBell> no, it doesn't!
<AlanBell> arguably the GTK-STOCK-QUIT icon in the human theme could be improved http://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/2.90/gtk3-Stock-Items.html#GTK-STOCK-QUIT:CAPS
<AlanBell> but changing the icon on one application to something a designer might think is more quitish for that application is the wrong thing to do
<AlanBell> you could move the buttons about, add text to them (which increases the translation effort) or remove it altogether (the window has a close button) but messing with icons because you don't like the stock icon makes an inconsistent desktop and applications that don't honour icon theme changes
<AlanBell> also that kind of thinking breaks accessibility when people decide not to use standard widgets
<AlanBell> anyone even tested what orca reads that button as?
<mainerror> AlanBell: Uhm, where is that design review process?
<alourie> hello
<MrChrisDruif> Aloha alourie
<alourie> hi MrChrisDruif
<MrChrisDruif> How's it going?
<alourie> MrChrisDruif: great
<MrChrisDruif> Good to hear =)
<alourie> I'm working on QA wiki update, and we kind of miss couple of icons
<alourie> who can we talk to about this?
<MrChrisDruif> I don't know. What kind of icons are you missing?
<alourie> MrChrisDruif: well, we need a calendar one
<alourie> so, I used "notes" here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlexLourie/QAWikiNew
<alourie> but, I think scheduling pictogram should be better for it
<MrChrisDruif> You know three of the 5 icons are scrollable?
<MrChrisDruif> You forgot to set the width
<MrChrisDruif> I think
<MrChrisDruif> Yup, you forgot to set the width of those three
 * MrChrisDruif is wiki-guru at times
<alourie> MrChrisDruif: yea, I will fix them
<alourie> thanks :-), I didn't know why does this happen
<MrChrisDruif> Oh my gosh, I didn't knew we had so many icons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IconsPage
<MrChrisDruif> alourie; I think it's due to you using svg icons
<MrChrisDruif> This link is more helpfull on the wiki pages: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IconsPage
<alourie> MrChrisDruif: but this is so...Gnome 1
<alourie> maybe 2 :-)
<alourie> we're in orange age now
<MrChrisDruif> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IconsPage#Pictograms
<MrChrisDruif> There
<alourie> it's just one!
<alourie> we need more!
<alourie> I wonder where would I find SVG/PNG guru for fixing up a schedule pictogram
<alourie> AH!!!
<alourie> got it
<alourie> here http://spreadubuntu.org/en/material/unusual/ubuntu-pictograms
<MrChrisDruif> It's just one?
<MrChrisDruif> It's a whole list
<alourie> MrChrisDruif: I'll cut and paste one from there
<MrChrisDruif> Btw, here is a whole list of svg's http://design.canonical.com/brand/Pictograms/SVG_files/HEX/UBUNTU_ORANGE_HEX/
<alourie> MrChrisDruif: yea, got thise
<alourie> those
<MrChrisDruif> Here are them in png: http://design.canonical.com/brand/Pictograms/PNG_files/HEX/UBUNTU_ORANGE_HEX/
<alourie> got them too :-)
<alourie> is using pngs better than svgs in wiki?
<MrChrisDruif> Well, the first one of your banner was a png, and you didn't have to set the width for it I noticed
<MrChrisDruif> I think all those icons should be referable in the wiki btw.
<alourie> MrChrisDruif: they are
<MrChrisDruif> I'll add it on the "to-do" list of the Design team
<MrChrisDruif> Not all I think
<alourie> well, I attached them myself, I think they need to have their own page, yes
<MrChrisDruif> There are 60 in total
<alourie> so using them would be convenient
<MrChrisDruif> But https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IconsPage#Pictograms only lists 13
<MrChrisDruif> And also add creating a calendar one =)
<alourie> wow, awesome
<alourie> In general, I could add it, right?
<MrChrisDruif> If you create one (you've got the guidelines) then sure
<alourie> MrChrisDruif: well, I just copy one from the spreadubuntu
<MrChrisDruif> alourie; here are the guidelines described: http://spreadubuntu.org/files/pict7005.png
<alourie> MrChrisDruif: sure, so if I only cat and paste one, would that count?
<alourie> s/cat/cut/
<MrChrisDruif> I see leogg already made one for calendar
<alourie> exactly
<MrChrisDruif> Well, for now it's alright if you take that. But please keep hanging around, I've got an idea for calendar which doesn't point it to the "19th"
<alourie> MrChrisDruif: oh, great
<alourie> would that be soon :-) ?
<MrChrisDruif> I hope so, but I'll also add it to the projects
<alourie> great
<alourie> thank you very much
<alourie> MrChrisDruif:  if I'm not here when you have it, I'd appreciate if you ping me on QA maillist or through other QA folks :-)
<alourie> not urgent though
<alourie> but ideally before P cycle ends :-)
<MrChrisDruif> alourie; got an IRC channel you hang around in a lot?
<alourie> MrChrisDruif: sure, -bugs, -testing, -brainstorm and -community-team are usually the ones I'm constantly around
<MrChrisDruif> I'll add all current icons at least before P cycle ends. I hope that the calendar icon I've got in mind also is finished before that
<alourie> unless my computer is rebooting :-)
<MrChrisDruif> -community-team?
<alourie> MrChrisDruif: thank you very very much :-)
<alourie> yes, #ubuntu-community-team
<MrChrisDruif> Is that channel for members only?
<alourie> just prefix all those with #ubuntu-, and I'm mostly surely there
<alourie> MrChrisDruif: no, general public is also welcome
<MrChrisDruif> Alright, I'll lurk in that channel as well
<alourie> thanks a bunch
<mhall119> http://bobthegnome.blogspot.com/2011/12/gnome-games-modernisation.html
<mhall119> might be of interest to this team
<mhall119> and a good opportunity to contribute design work upstream
<MrChrisDruif> alourie; you've updated the banner, good job =)
<alourie> MrChrisDruif: yes, I have
<alourie> thank you
<alourie> compare it to the current one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/
<alourie> see what I mean ? ;-)
<MrChrisDruif> Yup
<MrChrisDruif> No more bug-squad?
<MrChrisDruif> mhall119; looks indeed interesting
<MrChrisDruif> Even development work even
<alourie> MrChrisDruif: there are, it's just we're splitting
<MrChrisDruif> Alright =) I was just missing it in the new banner
<alourie> there is going to be BugSquad and QA
<alourie> QA Team would handle Quality in Ubuntu and cooperate with other teams as necessary
<alourie> such as BugSquad :-)
<alourie> but from now on, they quite separate
<alourie> s/they/they are/
<alourie> anyway
<MrChrisDruif> =)
<alourie> thank you for the pictograms
<MrChrisDruif> Your welcome
<MrChrisDruif> mhall119; shall I add your link to the projects page?
<MrChrisDruif> Projects-part* of the page?
<mhall119> MrChrisDruif: if it's something the team wants to look into, sure
<MrChrisDruif> mhall119; and it's up: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesignTeam
<mhall119> cool, thanks
<MrChrisDruif> Good evening everyone
#ubuntu-design 2011-12-09
<scott-upstairs> shnatsel said i should post here about needing some artwork help
<scott-upstairs> ubuntu studio would like some new artwork for 12.04 for the plymouth theme, lightdm greeter, and desktop wallpaper
<scott-upstairs> the blueprint is here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+spec/new-images-plymouth-lightdm-wallpaper
<scott-upstairs> and the spec is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/new-theme-images-spec
<scott-upstairs> you can always find me in #ubuntustudio-devel as ScottL or scott-work
<doctormon> Thanks ScottL, are there any interested parties for the Ubuntu Studio artwork?
<charline_> JohnLea, ckpringle, oreneeshy, I am in Timbuktu.  Let's meet ihodge@example.net.
<oreneeshy> charline_: ok
<charline_> JohnLea, are you joining us?
<wendar> I wonder if we might be able to make use of http://bigbluebutton.org
<mainerror> wendar: Looks interesting.
#ubuntu-design 2011-12-10
<MrChrisDruif> Good night everyone
<doctormon> Morning all
#ubuntu-design 2011-12-11
<MrChrisDruif> Hai Ronnie
<Ronnie> hey MrChrisDruif
<mhall119> hey there Ronnie, wanna help cjohnston design a new page for summit.ubuntu.com?
<Ronnie> mhall119: i have one hour of free time, so lets start then :D
<mhall119> lol
<MrChrisDruif> Haha
<mhall119> Ronnie: he's adding a user profile page, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/add-user-profiles/view/head:/summit/userprofiles/models.py is the model
<Ronnie> mhall119: is there already a sketch?
<mhall119> nope
<mhall119> you have a blank canvas
<Ronnie> oke
<mhall119> he has the edit form, so we just need a nice display
<mhall119> read-only display that is
<mhall119> we may not display all of those fields, the model was just copied wholesale from LoCo Portal
<Ronnie> oh, does LTP has a profile page, didnt know that
<mhall119> no, but it has an profile model that's gone mostly unused
<mhall119> so whatever you design for summit will probably one day make it back into LTP
<MrChrisDruif> Profile page retrieving info from launchpad?
<mhall119> some info from LP, most not
<cjohnston> Ronnie: hows it going?
<Ronnie> cjohnston, mhall119: first impression: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/39/74493826.png/
<Ronnie> i think i need to include the teams of this profile also
<cjohnston> teams?
<cjohnston> Ronnie: thoughts on: http://ubuntuone.com/5GcDHI234iXSMuk6x1MU4p   I plan on adding a slider like the one on uds.ubuntu.com with picutres too
<cjohnston> Ronnie: my only thought about that is if the person (read me in this example) doesnt use flickr/picasa
<cjohnston> thats a really big empty space
<MrChrisDruif> I've missed a part, but maybe exclude that part for people without those services?
<cjohnston> MrChrisDruif: what would we put in that space though
<MrChrisDruif> I thought about harmonica-ing it. Just move the rest up?
<cjohnston> i dont really see anything else to move up
<MrChrisDruif> I don't know at what mockup were looking
<cjohnston> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/39/74493826.png/
<Ronnie> cjohnston: im currently out of ideas of how to dismiss the empy space when there is a tweet account, but no photo-account
<cjohnston> hrm
<Ronnie> cjohnston: do you have pencil installed?
<cjohnston> Ronnie: no..
<MrChrisDruif> Maybe you could use uploads/updates of any service: launchpad, twitter, picasa ?
<cjohnston> hrm
<cjohnston> dinner.. bbl
<Ronnie> cjohnston, mhall119. times up...
<Ronnie> ill upload the pencil source files and latest pngs
<MrChrisDruif> mhall119: Ronnie wanted you to know about this link: http://www.2shared.com/file/jckaVMOR/Summit-Profiletar.html
<mhall119> thanks Ronnie
<mhall119> and MrChrisDruif
<MrChrisDruif> Your welcome mhall119
<MrChrisDruif> He originally asked the other Chris, but I also saw the link and you back again =)
<cjohnston> MrChrisDruif: it works..
<cjohnston> :-)
<MrChrisDruif> Asking a Chris to get it done? Indeed ;)
<cjohnston> getting it done.. who cares how
<mhall119> I didn't leave, must have been a netsplit
<mhall119> nevermind, I evidently lost my connection
<MrChrisDruif> Indeed, netsplit because of the last server update
#ubuntu-design 2011-12-12
<czajkowski> aloha
<spikeb> hi
<AlanBell> hi czajkowski
<AlanBell> and spikeb
<spikeb> :)
#ubuntu-design 2011-12-14
<wendar> morning, afternoon, evening everyone
<yaili> afternoon
<wendar> work continues on 4 digits, we're still in what I'd call a "storyboarding" phase, piecing together screenshots to survey what it needs
<wendar> any other bits to share?
<wendar> there's been more interesting discussion on tools
<thorwil> hi! well, i'm all ears regarding tools
<wendar> and, it looks like Ubuntu Studio is looking for some designers
<wendar> plus some design work going into summit.ubuntu.com
<wendar> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/39/74493826.png/
<thorwil> wendar: is that a wireframe for per person pages for summit.ubuntu.com?
<wendar> throwil: yes
<wendar> I figure people will disperse over the next couple of weeks for the holidays (probably already are) , so the next meeting is Jan 4th
<mhall119> wendar: what are your thoughts on the design of MyUnity?  Is that something we can contribute to?
<wendar> we can talk with the developer
<wendar> it's been submitted to the ARB
<wendar> mhall119: I imagine he'd be happy for the help
 * wendar looks over the package, finds it's already been accepted to precise
<wendar> mhall119: that's a good idea, are you interested in helping out on that one? or know others who might be?
<wendar> I posted the Ubuntu Studio request to our main page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesignTeam)
<wendar> and will add MyUnity if the developer is interested (just emailed him an invitation)
#ubuntu-design 2011-12-15
<dholbach> good morning
<jnick_tait> #santon-review
#ubuntu-design 2011-12-16
<dholbach> good morning
<kholerabbi> Wow, this place is like my hall of heroes :D
<wendar> mhall119: yes, the MyUnity developers would be very interested in design input
<mhall119> wendar: cool, maybe we can get them into the next meeting to discuss what they would like and what we can offer
<MrChrisDruif> When is the next meeting again?
<MrChrisDruif> Maybe we could add it to the topic of the IRC channel?
<wendar> mhall119: they suggested email would be best
<wendar> MrChrisDruif: weekly on wednesdays, is it not in the channel topic? (my client isn't showing any topic at the moment)
<MrChrisDruif> wendar; Home of the Ubuntu Design Team | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesignTeam | Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-design
<wendar> MrChrisDruif: okay, I'll fix that
* ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-design to: Ubuntu Design Team - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesignTeam | Weekly meeting in this channel, Wednesday 1700 UTC | Channel log at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
<wendar> MrChrisDruif: how's that?
<MrChrisDruif> Good enough =) Thanks =)
#ubuntu-design 2011-12-19
<dholbach> good morning
<sladen> morning people
<mainerror> Hello there.
#ubuntu-design 2011-12-20
<dholbach> good morning
<oreneeshy> sladen: hi
<sladen> oreneeshy: morning.  How do I type ï­ instead of ×¤ ?
<oreneeshy> dono
<oreneeshy> sladen: are you coming to Milbank this week?
<sladen> oreneeshy: likely Thursday.  When is the next code delivery?
<oreneeshy> every Monday Thursday and then Capetown on Friday
<oreneeshy> we could do with one update a week - both capetwon and goodhope
<oreneeshy> in one go
<sladen> oreneeshy: Thursday sounds okay this week.  I can do another update on 27 December as I'll be in London for a few hours that morning between connections if you leave it out too
<oreneeshy> :)
<oreneeshy> 27 is xms mate
<oreneeshy> no builds landing then i hope
<oreneeshy> but to tomorrow is great
<oreneeshy> thanks
<dholbach> sladen, heya - could the walled-garden ppa be updated for precise?
<sladen> dholbach: yes, I've got some fresh files to go in the walled-garden.
#ubuntu-design 2011-12-21
<dholbach> good morning
#ubuntu-design 2011-12-22
<dholbach> good morning
#ubuntu-design 2011-12-23
<dholbach> good morning
#ubuntu-design 2011-12-26
<prokoudine> hi folks
<prokoudine> looks like there is something wrong with your brand colors :)
<prokoudine> in PDF they are not what they really are
<prokoudine> the codes are all right
<prokoudine> but the samples are all off
<prokoudine> E.g. Ubuntu Orange is #DD4814 which is right when you pick it from the original Pantone 1665
<prokoudine> But the color patch in the PDF is actually #F47421
<prokoudine> And earlier in the same PDF there is a photo of all color patches printed
<prokoudine> And it has the right colors again :)
<thorwil> prokoudine: afair that's some funny color management stuff that supposedly looks fine on macs
<daker> prokoudine, the colors on a PC are not like on Mac
#ubuntu-design 2011-12-27
<jasox> hi guys. I started hacking ubuntu unity switcher, I wanted to make switcher smaller
<jasox> this is what i get
<jasox> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/17/screenshotat20111227205.png/
<jasox> need to configure text in switcher
<jasox> I think switcher should be by default like that, with 96x96 icons
<mhall119> jasox: have you filed a bug for this yet?
<mhall119> if you file a bug and attach your patch or bzr merge proposal to it, it'll be easier to track and apply if approved
<mhall119> personally, I'd like to see it dynamically scale depending on the number of icons in it, only doing the carousel thing when it reaches a pre-defined minimum size
<jasox> mhall119, just testing it, recompiling is pain in a**. I will add this as a bug. I am planing to change panel size to. That is big challenge for me now.  btw am new in ubuntu(open source) development.
#ubuntu-design 2011-12-30
<jasox> Is today design meeting ?
<MrChrisDruif> jasox; did you see the /topic?
<jasox> Oh sorry, I was confused. Here  http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ it says meeting is today 30 december, but on Wednesday. I get it now tnx
<MrChrisDruif> I'm not seeing it on there ? O_O
<MrChrisDruif> I'm only seeing the Unity meeting
<jasox> Yes today is only unity meeting. :D
<MrChrisDruif> Alright
<MrChrisDruif> Just checking ^_^
#ubuntu-design 2011-12-31
<jasox> I just change top panel size in unity, I think it is much more elegant for me now, and +5px space. http://imageshack.us/f/824/screenresized.png/
<MrChrisDruif> I wish everyone a happy and successful 2012!!
#ubuntu-design 2012-12-06
<thorwil> i hope layouts like the following won't become a common sight in ubuntu: http://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/files/2012/12/search.png
<thorwil> it looks like nobody though about all the eye movement required and the stress caused by having to keep the rows together, mentally
<thorwil> checkboxes on the left would solve it
#ubuntu-design 2012-12-07
<mpt> ckpringle, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD
<mpt> particularly https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#Inside_the_bubble
<xnox> mpt: can the wifi icon turn empty & blue if you are disconnected from the internetz but wifi networks are found?
<mpt> xnox, it could
<xnox> mpt: is that an opinion or shall I file a bug? =)
<mpt> xnox, the former :-)
<xnox> =)
#ubuntu-design 2012-12-08
<britt__> hey guys
<britt__> is anyone up at this hour?
<britt__> Well if anyone reads this in the morning
<britt__> I have really grown fond of the openSUSE theming for their GRUB2 bootloader, and it would be awesome if we spiced up the ubuntu bootloader for the 13.04 release.
<britt__> Given we have a large number of dualbooting users
<britt__> so this would be a very apparent and visible change
<britt__> and the current theme that we have is very minimal, this could allow us to have another level to our beautiful design
<britt__> and after looking at the opensuse GRUB2 theme it looks fairly simple, just about 20-30 lines in a style sheet
<britt__> hey guys
#ubuntu-design 2012-12-09
<britt__> hi everyone
#ubuntu-design 2012-12-10
<britt__> hey guys
#ubuntu-design 2012-12-11
<israeldahl> Hey I just came across this guys GRUB2 theme, and it is incredible, but I think he needs some input from this team
<israeldahl> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2081013&page=2
<israeldahl> It would be nice to have a modern looking GRUB screen instead of the early 90s look
<israeldahl> It looks very much like the lightDM theme
<xnox> israeldahl: are there any photos/images? cannot login into ubuntuforums and don't see any attached.
<israeldahl> hold on let me go back to it
<israeldahl> http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=226902&d=1352425793
<israeldahl> can you access this one?
<israeldahl> xnox: BTW i did take care of the lintian errors as you advised :)
<israeldahl> you had helped me a few days ago with lmms
#ubuntu-design 2012-12-13
<bobweaver> woot woot there is this channel
<bobweaver> anyone good at gimp here ?
<doctormon> bobweaver: Yes
<bobweaver> doctormon,  hello there
<bobweaver> how are you ?
<bobweaver> want to make a gimp image for me ?
<bobweaver> Mine looks horrible
<bobweaver> http://imagebin.org/239224
<bobweaver> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/+junk/settings/download/josephjamesmills%40gmail.com-20121213193649-xw4cjokon5ajqjkn/testing.xcf-20121213193646-2091pcj7i3mleit9-1/testing.xcf         <<< gimp image that I have already
<bobweaver> I am not a good designer
<bobweaver> I am alright at coding but not a good designer
<doctormon> bobweaver: You're trying to put together a design?
<doctormon> bobweaver: You should be using a vector based tool like inkscape. gimp is for photos and cropping things made in mypaint.
<bobweaver> yeah well I have a version of unity 2d that I use and I want to be able to change allthe settings from the dash
<bobweaver> doctormon,  no it has to be gimp because there is a tool called qmlexporter that is used to export gimp images to qml
<doctormon> It's not bad then, start with a screenshot, import it into inkscape and play around until you get it right.
<bobweaver> No it has to be gimp
<doctormon> bobweaver: Good god who wrote that
<bobweaver> let me find you a link doctormon
<bobweaver> doctormon,  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Hgo9CWV400
<bobweaver> so one makes  image in gimp then export and I write QT/qml backend code for it
<bobweaver> like the image that I already is a good one it just needs to be finely tuned
<bobweaver> like make it look alot nicer
<doctormon> bobweaver: Sounds like you need to accept what you have.
<bobweaver> and I am horrible at gimp
<bobweaver> sure I could do that also
<bobweaver> just wanted to see if I could find people that would be interested in helping me out on this
<bobweaver> well.. because I am a horrible designer :)
<doctormon> bobweaver: Practice makes slightly better
<bobweaver> yeah it does best time to learn is now
<thorwil> requiring raster images must not stop you from using inkscape. it exports them just fine
<thorwil> screen design with gimp is insanely hard in comparison
<bobweaver> thorwil,  wow there is a export for qml in inkscape ? I have to look up the word raster
<thorwil> bobweaver: no, raster image -> also known as bitmaps
<bobweaver> what I do is make a image in gimp then export to qml then most the time use the images that are already in unity 2d if not then I use the ones that are from gimp (not many TBH) then most the time there is things like button or glowbutton or pictureglowbutton that was made or I have added
<doctormon> bobweaver: Someone should make a qml export for inkscape; if there isn't one already. Because using Gimp for that job is not smart.
<bobweaver> Like at this point I am taking the image that I have exported to qml and am replaceing all the buttons and backgrunds and what not with stock unity 2d ones or like I said libs that are already there.
<bobweaver> http://imagebin.org/239238
<bobweaver> so from http://imagebin.org/239224    to ^^
<bobweaver> It is the Overall "design concept"  like the layering and the placement of things that I am not that good at
#ubuntu-design 2012-12-14
<godbyk> Was /usr/share/themes/Ambiance/unity/close.png generated from an SVG? If so, do you know where I can find the source SVG?  (I'm trying to generate higher-resolution images of some of the window control buttons for printed documentation.)
<xnox> godbyk: can you file a bug requesting this against ayatana-design & stating your goal?
<godbyk> xnox: Sure. Thanks!
<godbyk> xnox: There we go: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/1090533.  Anything else I should add?
<ubot5> Launchpad bug 1090533 in Ayatana Design "Missing source SVGs for window controls" [Undecided,New]
<sepisoad> do you have any plan to change the appearance of ubuntu1 client, it's way too ugly
#ubuntu-design 2012-12-17
<alo21> hi ALL
<alo21> sorry for the caps lock
<alo21> I have an icon which fit perfectly in the launcher, but it is too much big in the dash, and the size is 64x64. Why?
#ubuntu-design 2012-12-21
<mpt> Hm, does anyone know the right package for reporting default theme bugs now?
<mpt> Is "ubuntu-themes" the successor to "ubuntu-mono"?
<xnox> mpt: icons, wallpaper or Gtk widgets theme?
<mpt> xnox, widgets, Ambiance/Radiance
<xnox> mpt: light-themes or something like that. 1sec.
<xnox> mpt: yes, light-themes package.
<mpt> xnox, do you know what <https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes> is about then? :-)
<mpt> It has a Raring version whereas light-themes and ubuntu-mono do not
<xnox> mpt: i am so out-of-date. So it looks like 10 days ago they moved individual packages into one big package that gets auto-uploaded into distribution.
<xnox> mpt: i would report bugs against http://pad.lv/p/light-themes as that is upstream.
<xnox> mpt: do inline mac-os-x buttons with wrong rounding on the sides bugging you as well? =)
<mpt> "This project is now included into the ubuntu-themes project. Please refer to this one." Ambiguous grammar FTW
<mpt> xnox, touching each other? Yes. Buttons that touch each other should have square corners.
<xnox> mpt: yeah, but the bugs are not moved yet. I guess I can find some scripts to mass migrate bugs =))))
<mpt> (e.g. the Back+Forward buttons in Ubuntu Software Center)
<mpt> xnox, yeah, that's what I was wondering about ... Bugs being ignored merely because they're filed in the previously-correct place :-)
<xnox> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/+1-203-976-2548.png
<mpt> ergh
<xnox> that? bug 1053986
<ubot5> bug 1053986 in light-themes (Ubuntu) "GtkMenuToolButton looks odd with inline toolbar style" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1053986
<mpt> What is that I don't even.
<mpt> Which of those buttons does the menu belong to?
<xnox> the rounded bit in the middle should be | and the whole group squashed together.
<xnox> mpt: excactly =) with this bug it's impossible to tell.
<xnox> mpt: It should be (MenuToolButton v | ToggleToolButton)
<xnox> where 'v' is down arrow.
<mpt> So it's button, menu, button?
<mpt> Or just badly-drawn menu, button?
<xnox> mpt: it's two buttons. Clicking the left one drops a menu down. (You drew that..... in one of ubiquity wireframes)
<mpt> ok, "clicking the left one drops a menu" is what I meant by "menu" :-)
<mpt> xnox, ah, the Add button for a volume or partition or something?
<xnox> yes.
<xnox> I did it, then looked at the result, checked the code and realised it's not me but theme bug. Reported to gnome, they fixed it in their default theme, but the fix was not applied against "ubuntu-themes"
<xnox> there are also other subtle bugs like: (button|button|
<xnox> intead of (button|button)
<mpt> I see [ + | â | â v] in the advanced partitioner
<mpt> Ah, [ Add To  v| Remove ] in the LVM dialog
#ubuntu-design 2013-12-05
<charlie> I want to start developing for ubuntu, but was wondering if its okay/suggested to develop in 14.04 daily build installation?
#ubuntu-design 2013-12-21
<PebkacJones> hello :)
<PebkacJones> anybody awake?
#ubuntu-design 2013-12-22
<ice9> does ubuntu plan to continue using GTK or will move to Qt at sometime?
#ubuntu-design 2014-12-05
<mpt> patriciadavila, https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1-eCRKa2i7dOeG5ZFwzTAajymoyq1Dm9USFWghG4Yo78/edit#heading=h.fhtjcp5v1la7
<mpt> âIf people often trigger a particular command accidentally, make accidents more difficult. A confirmation alert is the least polite way of doing thisâ¦â
#ubuntu-design 2015-12-10
<McIntireEvan> Hi, I'm working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1050195, but Im not sure where in the overlay would be most appropriate for the shortcuts to go. Anyone able to give any help, or tell me who to ask?
<ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1050195 in unity (Ubuntu Xenial) "keyboard shortcut for taking a screenshot is missing from help overlay." [Low,Triaged]
#ubuntu-design 2015-12-13
<Girish> Hi! I'm participating in Google Code In and I've taken the task of fixing the contrast between tabs in Terminal. #ubuntu-google pointed me here and adviced to contact someone willcooke. So can anyone give me a head start on this?
#ubuntu-design 2015-12-14
<mcinitreevan> JohnLea_: I'm working on http://pad.lv/1050195 and was directed to you in terms of where on the overlay to put the shortcuts, mind helping me out?
<ubot5> Launchpad bug 1050195 in unity (Ubuntu Xenial) "keyboard shortcut for taking a screenshot is missing from help overlay." [Low,Triaged]
#ubuntu-design 2015-12-15
<JohnLea_> mcinitreevan; hyia, there isn't a category it easily fits in however putting this option under "HUD & menu bar" is probably the best fit
<mcinitreevan> JohnLea_: thanks, i appreciate the help :)
<Guest6463> sb here from the design team?
#ubuntu-design 2015-12-16
<sakrecoer_> hi! i'm reaching out from ubuntu studio. we are trying to find the guidelines / graphic charts of what we need to comply with for wallpapers and logos, can someone please advise me?
#ubuntu-design 2016-12-18
<KristijanZic> Guys, anyone here? I was writing the comment on the omgubuntu about new scopes mockups and was brainstorming how to make them useful for the user and I think I just came up with the idea that will save the scopes! And make both users and developers/publishers happy!
#ubuntu-design 2016-12-19
<KristijanZic> Ok, so I outlined the general idea in this documend, you are welcome to edit it. Please, tell me what you think about this idea: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BKGQFQuWQn7rG74Zi3APt2wNtu0mC11J2Iadxa48sHE/edit?usp=sharing
#ubuntu-design 2016-12-22
<mmalakchi> Hi I would like to ask is there any Ubuntu UI Guideline for Desktop and mobile operating systems?
<mmalakchi> May be you can say what is preferred way of communication with Design teams

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