#lubuntu-devel 2015-07-01 <ianorlin> ah build failed http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/lubuntu/wily/daily-live-20150630.log * rafaellaguna is away: This viking goes to drink mead * rafaellaguna is back (gone 00:14:53) <ianorlin> ok seems like today has had successful desktop builds <phillw> ianorl that is good news <phillw> just got to await the thunderstorm to pass so I can finish watering the garden.... <phillw> me not daft, me not silly piglet is in battery mode... Hail stones now arriving :) <ianorlyn> unless the router gets fried <phillw> very vocal storm, but shit on the light show :( <phillw> ianorl that would be sort of fun, as BT engineer is due here tomorrow afternoon to sort out slow internet speed :D <phillw> Ah, raining correctly now. No need to water rest of garden. <phillw> still no light show :'( <phillw> ahh, a bit of sheet lightening, but still not over head.... there is a chance yet :D <phillw> Rain has really intensified, so hopefully it is heading this way. #lubuntu-devel 2015-07-04 <ianorlin> wxl hmm it seems powerpc alternate has not built since the 28th #lubuntu-devel 2015-07-05 <balloon> Hello. Is there the person seeing it now? <ianorlin> seeing what now? <balloon> Thanks ianorlin, an answer. <balloon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-next/+bug/1437875 <ubot93> Launchpad bug 1437875 in Lubuntu next "Asian font is lost by live boot and installing of Lubuntu 15.04 and 15.10" [Undecided,Confirmed] <balloon> I demand the improvement of this problem. <balloon> I demand the improvement of this problem. <balloon> This problem greatly adversely affects an Asian user. <balloon> There is a report for a long time in launchpad, but improvement is not provided. <balloon> Therefore I came for IRC. <balloon> When a developer leaves this, the Asian user is acuteness so as to examine other flavor. <balloon> I want to tell this to a developer and to improve... #lubuntu-devel 2015-07-06 <JakeTheAfroPedob> hi <JakeTheAfroPedob> anyone around? <gsilva> I am #lubuntu-devel 2015-07-07 <ianorlyn> wxl bug 881433 seems fixed in wiley but it has been around long enough to be broken in stable releases but it seems there was a fix for something else in libvte 2.9 that fixed it <ubot93> bug 881433 in lxterminal (Ubuntu) "Mouse wheel doesn't scroll in 'less' pager in lxterminal" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/881433 <ianorlyn> the changelog mentions bug 1340687 <ubot93> bug 1340687 in vte (Ubuntu) "Please replace current alternate screen scroll patch with the new one, making this scroll permanent" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1340687 <ianorlyn> should this be marked as a duplicate? #lubuntu-devel 2015-07-10 <ianorlin> hmm even the arch wiki doesn't document default apps for lxsession <ianorlin> It seems that the daily builds didn't work today <phillw> ianorlin: seems to be failures all across the board, some going back to 7th.... wxl needs to have a chat with -release guys. <ianorlin> or might have been stuff with the downtime <gsilva> wxl, you around? Need to have a pvt talk with you #lubuntu-devel 2015-07-14 <phillw> rafaellaguna: ping #lubuntu-devel 2015-07-15 <nixnine> i have installed 15.04 but cannot get the sound to work now. Anyone help? <ianorlyn> nixnine: #lubuntu is for support and do you have multiple sound outputs? #lubuntu-devel 2015-07-19 <nixnine> hey guys, i have installed 15.04 but am having issues with sound <nixnine> I have no sound at startup <Unit193> nixnine: Perhaps you should try a support channel such as #lubuntu, this is not a support channel. <nixnine> I am sorry. The channel list said support was here <nixnine> what channel should I visit? <ianorlin> hmm gsilva I did a few updates to lubuntu manaual #lubuntu-devel 2015-07-20 <gsilva> Hi ianorlin. Yes, I got the emails. Thanks for taking care of the manual :) #lubuntu-devel 2015-07-27 <ianorlin> hmm on small like 600 pixel screens when doing manual partitioning I wish the add a partition window would start a little bit higher up on the screen so I could add say a swap partition as that can get cut off sometimes #lubuntu-devel 2015-07-30 <flexiondotorg> Hi <flexiondotorg> I'm helping with the 15.10 Alpha 2 checklist. <flexiondotorg> Are the Lubuntu iso image for Alpha 2 ready? <flexiondotorg> Do you want the PowerPC images included? <flexiondotorg> dkessel, wxl phillw ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ <dkessel> flexiondotorg: i don't think i should decide that ;) <flexiondotorg> dkessel, Fair enough :-) <flexiondotorg> dkessel, I'm trying to get someone to commit. <flexiondotorg> The clock is ticking. <flexiondotorg> I think the trigger is being pulled in 11 minutes. <flexiondotorg> wxl, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ <phillw> flexiondotorg: the A2 for i386 and AMD64 are good to go. The PPC is not. <flexiondotorg> phillw, Thanks! <phillw> flexiondotorg: wxl is on vacation afaik... gilir is just mad busy. I did email them earlier <flexiondotorg> I'll mark the i386 and amd64 images as ready. <phillw> flexiondotorg: knowing that they were both busy.. we also prepped up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/Alpha2/Lubuntu ready to go :) (We are good at ensuring things are in place) <phillw> flexiondotorg: THANKS :d <flexiondotorg> phillw, OK, we are preping stuff now. Thanks for getting back to me. <phillw> flexiondotorg: if you'd be so kind as to give me a ping on here when release is ready to go (I'm also part of lubuntu comms team, as well as a tester) We can make the announcement :) <flexiondotorg> phillw, Sure. I'll let you know one the release announce goes out. <phillw> thnx <flexiondotorg> phillw, You're a go! <phillw> flexiondotorg: thanks!!! <wxl> flexiondotorg: phillw: so sorry i disappeared. the red eye flight did me in worse than i thought <wxl> flexiondotorg: phillw: thanks to whoever made it happen in my absence :( <flexiondotorg> wxl No probs :-) <phillw> wxl: flexiondotorg did the flags, me and gsilva did the release notes. <wxl> gsilva: thank you, too <wxl> really appreciate it <gsilva> No worries, that's why I'm here for <phillw> wxl: also, me and rafaellaguna have just blitzed social media with it being out :) <wxl> phillw: rafaellaguna: you guys are awesome <wxl> we have such an awesome team :) <phillw> wxl: as long as the end user sees a perfectly calm exterior, it matters not about how much work goes on behind the scenes. That's what we signed up for and take pride in doing. <phillw> wxl: (19:07:53) vikingredwolf: daddy, Twitter, Reddit and Blog done <phillw> viking is rafaellaguna's temp name as he moves from a bouncer <vikingredwolf> o/ <phillw> hi vikingredwolf :D <vikingredwolf> wxl, the spreading work is done <phillw> wxl: we were ready about 20 hours ago :D <phillw> didn't get any ppc done over and above what was mentioned on social media. But, as they said it was working okay with no major bitching... that does look promising as we move next to the lts again :) <vikingredwolf> yesss! <wxl> hai vikingredwolf <wxl> *hugs* to all <vikingredwolf> hello! :D <phillw> vikingredwolf: please be aware... <phillw> hi, after my last upgrade (debian unstable) audacity (version 2.1.x - got fromppa.launchpad.net) has simply stopped to work - no message no error nothing - anybody knows what's happening, if there is some issue with some libraries? ANd, in case, any valid substitute to suggest? <phillw> Â OK - temporary solved: (foreword - they are switching from wxgtk2.0 to 3.0 so a major writing task is undergone - the source is unstable approx. till September 2015) .... <vikingredwolf> Audacious is getting reversed to GTK2. the GTK3 was a total disaster. There's a Qt interface that half-works. <phillw> vikingredwolf: okies, I just caught it on linux europe group... A pretty nice group to follow. https://www.facebook.com/groups/Ike.Santos/ try it out :) <vikingredwolf> yes, it is :) <vikingredwolf> AND now I'm following this one: https://www.facebook.com/groups/elementary.talk #lubuntu-devel 2015-07-31 <jarnos> Why lubuntu has mawk as awk, by default? Mawk is old version and buggy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mawk Why not use gawk? <phillw> jarnos: it is not lubuntu's choice. mawk is installed as part of core, so is across all *buntu flavours. <jarnos> phillw, but you could add gawk package and make it default awk, right? <phillw> no, the flavours have no control over the 'core'. That needs to be taken up with the team that handles that part directly. as a start point, try #ubuntu+1 channel and they should be able to direct you to where / who to ask about the reasoning behind that decision. <phillw> jarnos: on the meantime http://askubuntu.com/questions/561621/choosing-awk-version-on-ubuntu-14-04 should be of some assistance to you. <jarnos> phillw, other flavours such as Xubuntu have gawk installed as well by default. I think they use gawk by default as it has higher priority. <phillw> sudo update-alternatives --config awk <phillw> shows gawk as my default <phillw> I'm running 15.04 <phillw> so, it appears to have changed since the LTS came out. It is doubtful that a change from mawk to gawk would be accepted as an SRU as it poses an issue of breaking anybody's scripts they have written around mawk. As evidenced by the OP in that post I flagged up. <phillw> I'm surmising that they keep mawk available precisely for that reason. <jarnos> phillw, and still they don't update mawk. <phillw> jarnos: what version of lubuntu are you using? <jarnos> phillw, they all use an old version http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=mawk&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all <jarnos> phillw, according to http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=lubuntu&pkglist=true&version=15.04#pkglist lubuntu 15.04 does not have gawk installed by default, so I suppose you have installed it afterwards. <phillw> not me.. i do not use awk :D <phillw> it may be part of the -dev suite, which I do have <jarnos> phillw, but maybe as a dependency for another package you have installed. <phillw> jarnos: indeed, I have just powered up a VM with 15.10 on and mawk is the only option. <phillw> my system has that many additions to it, I keep VM's for testing :D <jarnos> phillw, "apt-cache rdepends -i --installed --recurse gawk |less" could show which package caused gawk to be installed. <phillw> my VM system.. libguest :D <phillw> which happens to be about the 2nd thing I install on a new machine :) <phillw> but, you say xubuntu 15.04 uses gawk and not mawk? <jarnos> phillw, I am not 100% sure, but it has both gawk and mawk installed by default: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=xubuntu&pkglist=true&version=15.04#pkglist <phillw> jarnos: let me grab the iso and install it onto a VM.. it will take a short while, so don't think i have forgotten about you! <jarnos> phillw, ok <phillw> gawk is in the manifest.. so saves that step :) <phillw> and is not in the lubuntu mainfest. <phillw> manifest <phillw> jarnos: I can ask Julien to look into it, but as we are currently over sized on the desktop ISO I doubt he will be wanting to add anything to the manifest, when faced with trimming it. <phillw> All the other flavours have gone to DVD sized ISO's, lubuntu is the sole flavour that still has CD sized (and also the sole flavour that has alternate for the lower powered legacy machines that cannot run ubiquity). <jarnos> phillw, oh, not all older PCs can be booted using USB drive :( <phillw> which is why we face difficult decisions with what to leave out.. the recent cull of language packs and fonts has caused issues... :( <jarnos> phillw, file size of mawk_1.3.3-17ubuntu2_amd64.deb is 78870 whereas file size of gawk_4.0.1+dfsg-2.1ubuntu2_amd64.deb is 781466, about 10 times as big :o <phillw> possibly why it is not on lubuntu. I'd hazard a guess that Julien culled it in a previous session of putting the ISO on to a 'diet'. <jarnos> In the description mawk advertises "Mawk is smaller and much faster than gawk." but check this out: https://code.google.com/p/original-mawk/issues/detail?id=34 <phillw> gawk is 653944 whilst mawk is 117768 on my 15.04 system <jarnos> phillw, ok, I just told size reported by apt-cache show <phillw> wb jarnos :) <jarnos> phillw, thanks. It was not good idea to run the test script in the link I posted with current mawk. I couldn't stop it by Ctrl-C. <phillw> he he... you got to love VMs :D <phillw> if the answer to the question "could something go wrong?" is yes... sandbox it :D A pre-installed VM takes a minute to start up :) <phillw> he he, no wonder xubuntu can have gawk in it... ISO is over 1GB in size! <jarnos> phillw, the first mawk command never finished. If you replace mawk by gawk in it, it is pretty fast. So quite the opposite that mawk description claims. <phillw> well, make that ~ 1GB :) <phillw> it is doubtful that Julien will add 1/2 a Mb onto the ISO just for gawk when faced with taking more things off it. <jarnos> phillw, but I think it is important that the base system is reliable. <phillw> So, it will go down as a "won't fix" I'm afraid. <phillw> jarnos: it is important that it supports the Japanese language - but the fonts have been removed. They have far more chance of being added back in. People who use awk will be expected to have enough technical knowledge to fathom out installing gawk if they need it. <jarnos> phillw, I hope they finally update emily84@example.com. <phillw> Julien is stuck between a rock and a hard place as to what is stripped out to maintain CD sized ISO <phillw> can you look up what version of mawk is in debian repo? <phillw> if it is a newer version, then I can ask Julien to request it be added to the ubuntu repo so it is picked up in the build. <phillw> bbs .. lunch time <jarnos> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mawk/+bug/1332114 <ubot93> Launchpad bug 1332114 in mawk (Ubuntu) "Please update mawk to latest upstream release" [Wishlist,Triaged] <jarnos> phillw, it is still 1.3.3-17 in Debian: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mawk <phillw> in that case, it needs a sponsor in debian to pull in the newer version. Once it is in debian, it will trickle down into ubuntu (or can be manually asked for to speed things up). But, it has to be in debian repo first. <phillw> And, with that, I'm not running away but I have some other stuff to do as it is end of month for parent's company. I auto-join here, so please feel free to ping me with progress / questions. #lubuntu-devel 2016-07-05 <tsimonq2> wxl: bug 1599174 is confirmed in today's Lubuntu daily image <ubot93> bug 1599174 in ubiquity "dpkg seg fault warning during install" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1599174 <wxl> tsimonq2: can you do a little debugging and see what exactly is causing the problem? maybe compare ubiquity versions? <tsimonq2> wxl: I was about to look to see when the last ubiquity upload was <wxl> tsimonq2: keep us updated on the bug report, thx <wxl> tsimonq2: oh and add lubuntu packages team <tsimonq2> wxl: yep alright #lubuntu-devel 2016-07-07 <tsimonq2> wxl: that critical bug was a regression in the latest dpkg release <tsimonq2> wxl: Yakkety only, but serious <Unit193> Eg, debian #830267. <ubot93> Debian bug 830267 in dpkg "dpkg: Segmentation fault when purging package in APT test case" [Serious,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/830267 <tsimonq2> thanks Unit193, linking to the open bug report #lubuntu-devel 2016-07-08 <tsimonq2> hey wxl <wxl> yo tsimonq2 <tsimonq2> wxl: we have something to discuss with Julien <wxl> oh? <tsimonq2> wxl: http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20160705-gcc6-yakkety.html https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-6/porting_to.html GCC6 <tsimonq2> wxl: we need to confirm that all the Lubuntu packages have been successfully built with GCC6 <wxl> tsimonq2: rigbht. so i'd send an email <tsimonq2> wxl: should I do To: Julien Cc: Lubuntu devel, vice versa, who am I sending this to? <wxl> tsimonq2: either of those two things <tsimonq2> wxl: alright <agaida> this gcc6 thing would be the chance to fix your liblxqt - sorry wxl, didn't wrote the mail to the dev-list yet #lubuntu-devel 2016-07-09 <tsimonq2> agaida: I don't touch Lubuntu code, talk to Julien about that :P :) <agaida> tsimonq2: a) it isn't funny b) you guy captured the false not finished packaging - so it's your problem. c) Please be so kind and in case of LXQt never ever get packages from d/experimental <agaida> tsimonq2: and you should really fix it before the new LXQt release hit sid - without changes many (in other words - all) LXQt Packages will cause problems <agaida> tsimonq2: and thank you for you clarification - i'm not here to do your work, this is your project, so the ball is in your field. <tsimonq2> agaida: yes I said that intending to be joking a little bit, sorry <tsimonq2> agaida: so liblxqt needs to be fixed before the new LXQt release lands? what about it is broken? <tsimonq2> agaida: I'll be happy to make sure that if I don't fix it myself, it goes to the right person <tsimonq2> agaida: and what do you mean by "b) you guy captured the false not finished packaging - so it's your problem." ? <agaida> fixing is easy - get the current debian sources - you guys was a little bit to fast, after long discussions we integrated a virtual abi in the symbols file. Doing so make us independent from upstream if abi-bumps are needed - we use a new virtual abi instead of renaming the package <agaida> without this mechanism the new release would be installed and break existing packages without warning <agaida> mostly segfaults as usual - if you remember the xenial packages right from the start <agaida> tsimonq2: there are reasons putting packages into experimental - a) not production ready, b) pre-releases, really experimental stuff c) preparing releases, if uploading directly to sid would create a lot of havoc - and the packages that will be uploaded to experimental right now are c) <agaida> they will create a lot of fallout, if uploaded to sid <tsimonq2> agaida: so what you are saying is that the liblxqt package just needs to be updated to the current version? <tsimonq2> I see <agaida> use meld or bcompare to compare the debian dirs <tsimonq2> alright <agaida> i'm sure you will find the differences <agaida> :) <agaida> it's a little bit tricky - but cool. And it works reliable <agaida> thats why we discussed this strategy so long <tsimonq2> agaida: so which packages am I comparing? from GitHub and Yakkety? could you be a little bit more specific at what I'm supposed to compare the Yakkety package to? <agaida> you can apt source liblxqt0/yak and apt source liblxqt0/sid <tsimonq2> agaida: oh so from sid, okay <agaida> it make no difference if sid or testing <agaida> i would clone the whole thing from git <tsimonq2> agaida: GitHub or Debian's Git system? <agaida> debian <tsimonq2> alright <agaida> they shouldâ¢ be the same - but debian is official <agaida> i only mirror the debian stuff to github in case that one will send us a pull request <tsimonq2> agaida: so I should make them the same? what am I fixing here? <agaida> erm - i think i should have a quick look at the current packaging - but basicly: yes <tsimonq2> agaida: alright I'll play with it <redwolf> o/ <redwolf> o.o <tsimonq2> o/ redwolf <redwolf> Ã¸ #lubuntu-devel 2016-07-11 <tsimonq2> hey wxl, ping <wxl> yes <tsimonq2> wxl: I have to tell you about this bug! it's my first bit of code in the Ubuntu archive! <tsimonq2> bug 1600732 <ubot93> bug 1600732 in lxqt-session (Ubuntu) "Merge lxqt-session 0.10.0-4 from Debian Sid" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1600732 <wxl> ooh exciting <tsimonq2> wxl: look at who it's uploaded by! https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxqt-session/0.10.0-4ubuntu1 <wxl> good job <tsimonq2> \o/ <tsimonq2> there's another one in the works, but Julien has issues <tsimonq2> wxl: bug 1600519 <ubot93> bug 1600519 in liblxqt (Ubuntu) "Add the lxqt-abi package and merge from Debian" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1600519 <tsimonq2> wxl: it's interesting stuff, read the bug :) <wxl> nice <tsimonq2> wxl: I've picked out a date for bug day <wxl> excelletn! <tsimonq2> wxl: Thursday, July 21, 2016. <wxl> sounds good to me <wxl> coming up quick though <wxl> better get this organized! <tsimonq2> it'll only take another hour or two of preparation <tsimonq2> wxl: we also should have another Lubuntu team meeting <tsimonq2> wxl: we haven't had one since...you know <tsimonq2> wxl: we need to pick up the pieces <wxl> i know <tsimonq2> wxl: I'll send an email to the affected parties in a bit, when we have a meeting date and everything else, I'll say something on lubuntu-devel <tsimonq2> wxl: email sent #lubuntu-devel 2016-07-12 <agaida> tsimonq2: your uploads are mentioned now in debians DDPO too :) <tsimonq2> great agaida :) <agaida> you will learn a little bit patience - it updates only one or two times a day afailk :) <agaida> but the display is not that important i think - important is: The changes are in the repo <tsimonq2> well I didn't know how often it did so I thought I might ad <tsimonq2> *ask <agaida> if you upload some thing and it doesnt appear within a week - its broken again :D <tsimonq2> alright, good to know :) <tsimonq2> wxl: you see my response to the ISO size bug? <wxl> tsimonq2: it's on my list to read <tsimonq2> great wxl <tsimonq2> wxl: sorry for poking you about it, it's just a little bit urgent <wxl> link me * tsimonq2 finds it <tsimonq2> wxl: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1572429/comments/11 <ubot93> Launchpad bug 1572429 in lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Lubuntu alternate iso files are oversized for CD disks" [Medium,Triaged] <wxl> unfortunately, it becomes increasingly difficult to do anything about this <wxl> other packages just grow and grow and grow <tsimonq2> wxl: we have an option, I think <tsimonq2> wxl: Firefox <wxl> meh <wxl> not a great option <tsimonq2> wxl: replace it with something more lightweight? <wxl> might want to ping julien and see if he has any ideas <tsimonq2> alright I'll link him <tsimonq2> sent #lubuntu-devel 2016-07-13 <tsimonq2> lynorian: ping <tsimonq2> lynorian: for bug 1600686 , you could have gone ahead and tried to confirm on FAT32 and NTFS partitions, those are common for external storage <ubot93> bug 1600686 in pcmanfm (Ubuntu) "Scripts cannot be executed when the file path contains spaces" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1600686 <tsimonq2> lynorian: could you please do that? :) <lynorian> I wonder if I have anything ntfs <tsimonq2> lynorian: VM! \o/ <lynorian> tsimonq2 true <tsimonq2> lynorian: btw, did you get my email? <lynorian> which? <tsimonq2> agaida: using compton(-conf) in the lxqt metapackage basically bricks networking on the install <tsimonq2> agaida: because it conflicts with network-manager and resolvconf <agaida> not compton, connman <Guest30271> Today I got a surprise error using apt-get install ttf-mscorefonts-installer: E: Failed to fetch http://downloads.sourceforge.net/corefonts/andale32.exe Hash Sum mismatch <Guest30271> not sure who to tell, but since yesterday something on sourceforge is corrupted. <Guest30271> that's all. I worked out my problem another way, just wanted to let someone somewhere know this is an issue. maybe hacker, maybe just a disk problem <bbuccianti> holas <bbuccianti> Hay alguien? <bbuccianti> sorry <bbuccianti> Hi! <lynorian> hi bbuccianti do you have a support question <bbuccianti> yes <bbuccianti> my kernel is booting in 16s <wxl> pick a channel, bbuccianti. just one. <bbuccianti> :D #lubuntu-devel 2016-07-14 <agaida> tsimonq2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libfm/+bug/1562764 -- invalid pathes - is a bug in libfm and will be gone with the next libfm - this bug also hit pcmanfm-qt <ubot93> Launchpad bug 1562764 in libfm (Ubuntu Xenial) "Pcmanfm crash on invalid path" [Undecided,Fix committed] <agaida> aka - next time LStranger make a release <agaida> the package with the ported back upstream patch should solve this too. <wxl> tsimonq2: you planning some kind of presentation for bug day? <tsimonq2> agaida: I'll take a look in a bit <tsimonq2> wxl: \o/ that would be awesome! <tsimonq2> wxl: maybe like an Ubuntu On Air presentation then questions? <agaida> tsimonq2: normally it shouldn't segfault - my first try would be a local rebuild <tsimonq2> agaida: so you want it fixed before the next libfm lands? <agaida> no - but i would like to know if it segfaults reproducable - and if it segfaults with a new local build too <agaida> it might be the abi-thing <tsimonq2> agaida: do I rebuild with the abi change or without? <agaida> as long the newest libs are used that should not make a difference - with is better i think <tsimonq2> alright, <tsimonq2> agaida: it seems the change is already in yakkety, would it be okay if I just test with that? <agaida> yes <tsimonq2> agaida: or would you like me to completely rebuild it? <tsimonq2> oh okay <tsimonq2> agaida: http://storage7.static.itmages.com/i/16/0714/h_1468526882_4654832_065bac260e.png <agaida> ok - thats the right behaviour <agaida> but i think we should talk about lxqt-config and the kscreen thing from yesterday <agaida> [2016-07-13 21:26:45] <jilocasin0> agaida: things like lxqt-monitor-config kept seg faulting, display wrong size and mirrored on multiple monitors, etc. <agaida> [2016-07-13 21:27:32] <agaida> good to know - you have filed a bug in launchpad? <agaida> [2016-07-13 21:27:34] <jilocasin0> agaida: it doesn't look like the default lxqt meta package in ubuntu 16.04 contains all of the needed dependencies. <agaida> [2016-07-13 21:28:14] <agaida> it does <agaida> dunno if he tried the infamous ppa :) - but the xenial packages should bring all needed things - and there should be no segfault i guess <agaida> misbehaviour yes - segfaulting no <wxl> tsimonq2: yeah if you can arrange it. or something. <wxl> tsimonq2: maybe an optional google hangout on air for folks that need help or are new <tsimonq2> wxl: would it be an hour long or longer/shorter? <wxl> tsimonq2: hm, i guess it could go either way. depends on how much time you want to put into it. i did a talk on bugs and it took me about 30 minutes <tsimonq2> wxl: well I was thinking whatever I don't cover by the bugs, I can use as sort of a Q&A to answer some questions people might be having <wxl> tsimonq2: yeah it might be good to have an intro for the total noob <wxl> tsimonq2: like think about making up something that would get your mom interested in helping <tsimonq2> wxl: which is what I'm planning, then the Q&A with whatever time is left <wxl> tsimonq2: yeah that sounds good. the irc being the other alternative for q&a. just like with on air sessions, we should echo them both ways. i can help with that <tsimonq2> wxl: who would be the speakers? just me, or do you want in too? <tsimonq2> wxl: yep :) <tsimonq2> wxl: I guess, doesn't it depend on what time the Q&A is? <wxl> tsimonq2: i think one speaker would be good, but can help, too <wxl> tsimonq2: i think we should do it on a different dqay from the day we do the thing <tsimonq2> wxl: I think having you in would help with the Q&A, as I will prepare the presentation beforehand <wxl> tsimonq2: can do <tsimonq2> wxl: do you really want to do it on a Monday? :P <tsimonq2> wxl: great :) <tsimonq2> now timing <wxl> tsimonq2: yeah i guess that's a good point, but i'm thinking it would be less commitment at one time that way <tsimonq2> wxl: well my thought was, having it on the same day as the bug day would be almost something to refer to and ask common questions if there is something we didn't cover <tsimonq2> s/we/I/ <wxl> tsimonq2: true. maybe having a break between would be nice? <tsimonq2> wxl: break between what? <tsimonq2> wxl: presentation and Q&A? <wxl> tsimonq2: presentation and work <tsimonq2> wxl: well what dates/times do you propose then? <tsimonq2> wxl: I'm open to pretty much everything <wxl> tsimonq2: well, 1900 is noon. i guess we could do it at 1700, but that's kind of pushing things close for me. which is why if we spread it out over two days that might be better <tsimonq2> wxl: I see <wxl> tsimonq2: i guess if i'm not doing the presentation and all i need to do is echo stuff on irc, i can probably do that <tsimonq2> wxl: so on that Monday maybe? to get people hyped up? :) <wxl> tsimonq2: that's what i'm thinking. i don't have anything else going on so that would be good <tsimonq2> wxl: well I mean you would be on the hangout during the Q&A part so you can speak the answers to the questions. That's how it's always worked with the community team Q&A. :) <tsimonq2> wxl: great :) <tsimonq2> wxl: so does 19-29 UTC work for you then? <tsimonq2> *20 <tsimonq2> :P lol <wxl> tsimonq2: syre <tsimonq2> wxl: great <tsimonq2> wxl: I'll set it up! :D <wxl> thx tsimonq2. now time to get working on the presentation :) <tsimonq2> wxl: yep, I'll put it under Git in my Launchpad junk :P <wxl> tsimonq2: you should bzr push it, and then git clone it, and then svnâ XD <tsimonq2> wxl: you forgot hg! then we tar all of that up, then zip that up, then- XD <wxl> hehehe <tsimonq2> wxl: you are gonna have to register the Hangout on Air, I've used my number too many times this year and it won't let me enable the feature <tsimonq2> wxl: then on the 25th, just PM me the link <wxl> tsimonq2: ugh lame. i guess we don't HAVE to make it on air? <tsimonq2> wxl: wait no, I forgot <tsimonq2> wxl: they have their own account <tsimonq2> wxl: we probably can just get a link or something <tsimonq2> wxl: so nevermind, I think :) <wxl> tsimonq2: k good XD <tsimonq2> wxl: I mean if we NEEDED to, you could probably get me the Hangout link before work and I can chill out before going live at 19 :) <wxl> tsimonq2: kk <tsimonq2> wxl: so I'm planning the presentation <tsimonq2> wxl: would it be okay with you if I asked you to paste links in the channel during the presentation? <tsimonq2> wxl: or would you like me to do it myself? <wxl> that works, ts <wxl> uh <wxl> tsimonq2: <tsimonq2> okay wxl #lubuntu-devel 2016-07-15 <tsimonq2> lynorian: ping <lynorian> tsimonq2, pong <tsimonq2> lynorian: coming to bug day? :D <lynorian> hoepfully at least part of it <lynorian> I hope my dad doesn't just suddenly say oh you have to do this at the last minute <lynorian> he has done that kind of stuff when I was home before <tsimonq2> oh okay #lubuntu-devel 2016-07-16 <wxl> tsimonq2: blog idea: take http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/07/compiz-low-graphics-mode-improvements and compare the system resources used versus lubuntu (and maybe mate if you want to help flexiondotorg out) in 16.04 <tsimonq2> \o/ <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: give me a ping when you have a minute, let's co-write a blog post! :D <lynorian> For some reason that will probably make unity just be less annoying to me my hardware can run it I just get annoying at desktop effects <lynorian> although I had setup openbox and plank once to make something similar. <lynorian> argh getting a ubi console setup thing again #lubuntu-devel 2016-07-18 <wxl> tsimonq2: notice the announcement about .1? * ChanServ changed the topic of #lubuntu-devel to: Lubuntu QA/Development | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/QA | Support: #lubuntu | Chat: #lubuntu-offtopic | Now Testing: Xenial Xerus 16.04.1 due 21 July, Yakkety Yak 16.10 dailies <tsimonq2> wxl: huh? <tsimonq2> wxl: well I know when .1 is, yeah <wxl> tsimonq2: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2016-July/003807.html <tsimonq2> yep I see <wxl> look at the followup email tho :) <wxl> in any case, i guess we should announce <wxl> would ytou like to do the honors? <tsimonq2> wait...announcing today? <tsimonq2> hmm :/ <wxl> no we need to announce that stuff needs to be tested <tsimonq2> oh yeah sure <tsimonq2> wxl: I think in the release announcements, we really need to point out, "here are the known problems: foo, bar, baz, but here is what has been *fixed*: foo, bar, baz" <wxl> that'd be cool <wxl> just takes more time <tsimonq2> really? <tsimonq2> we just test all of the bugs in the known problems for 16.04 <tsimonq2> I usually do that anyways when testing :P <wxl> sounds good then <tsimonq2> wxl: I'll personally do that ;) <tsimonq2> oh shoot <tsimonq2> we need to test 14.04 -> 16.04 * tsimonq2 puts this at the top of todo list <tsimonq2> wxl: Call for testing sent <tsimonq2> wxl: do you want to start the release announcement or should I go ahead? <tsimonq2> (in a Google Document) <wxl> tsimonq2: knock yourself out, though i prefer in on the wiki as a /Draft <tsimonq2> wxl: alright, I just like a Google Document better because it's a little bit...faster XD <wxl> yeah yeah but we have to think of EVERYONE :L) <tsimonq2> :/ <tsimonq2> :P #lubuntu-devel 2016-07-19 <tsimonq2> wxl: 14.04 -> 16.04 works fine! \o/ <wxl> yay <wxl> and i mastered port ranges on iptables and pf </offtopic> <wxl> it's a good day <tsimonq2> :D <tsimonq2> wxl: I reached out to Julien to see if he has any more known bugs to add <wxl> cool cool <wxl> i'm really feeling like we're making progress <wxl> i owe you a lot of thanks in that regard <tsimonq2> well I'm glad to be doing this :) <wxl> btw any luck on that blog post i suggested? <tsimonq2> I'm still waiting to hear back from flexiondotorg about it ;) <wxl> ahhh k <tsimonq2> but it's a good idea <wxl> still you might want to give hima go and give him your results <wxl> if it's like super obvious, wellâ- <tsimonq2> I just don't know how you could objectively evaluate the speed and usability of the OS <tsimonq2> I mean, it it just as simple as htop? <wxl> well yeah maybe speed and usability aren't the best measurements <tsimonq2> what do you suggest? <wxl> but you can get like average load overages, ram and cpu usage, etc <tsimonq2> load overages? <wxl> hhahaha <wxl> averages <tsimonq2> I see <lynorian> alternate 32 bit installed ok for entire disk <wxl> so, yeah, top <wxl> go lynorian go lynorian who's your daddy? go lynorian it's your birthday go lynorian <tsimonq2> wxl: s/top/htop/ <flexiondotorg> tsimonq2, Hi <tsimonq2> hello flexiondotorg :) <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: you see wxl's idea for a blog post? <flexiondotorg> I have not. <flexiondotorg> Where can I find "idea"? <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: you see http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/07/compiz-low-graphics-mode-improvements ? we should co-write a blog post detailing the differences between Unity in that mode and Ubuntu MATE/Lubuntu/Lubuntu Next <flexiondotorg> OK <flexiondotorg> I'm not going to be able to contribute to that this week. <flexiondotorg> But, sure. I'll play. <tsimonq2> alright :) <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: maybe next week after you come back from the sprint? <flexiondotorg> Yeah. <flexiondotorg> But feel free to start drafting something. <tsimonq2> alright :( <tsimonq2> *:) <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: you need help with Ubuntu MATE 16.04.1 that's supposed to go out on Thursday? I have a lot of free time. :) <flexiondotorg> I do actually! <flexiondotorg> I'm going to be able smoke test i386 and amd64. <flexiondotorg> But if you have time time to test, that would be really great. <tsimonq2> alright, I will :) <flexiondotorg> tsimonq2, Thanks! <tsimonq2> Adam is just going to to a respin tomorrow so after that I'll smoke test Lubuntu and MATE :) <flexiondotorg> Cool. <flexiondotorg> Admin is here somewhere too. <flexiondotorg> *Adam <tsimonq2> anytime flexiondotorg :) <tsimonq2> OH, really? <tsimonq2> cool <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: if you find Leo Arias, tell him I say hello :) <tsimonq2> he's probably reported 8 different bugs today, all of which I have fixed XD <flexiondotorg> tsimonq2, Well do. <tsimonq2> thanks flexiondotorg :) <lynorian> wxl in #lubuntu-release infinity said something about being done battling a cold and respins <wxl> lynorian: looks like we're still waiting on desktop, but yeah, in progress <tsimonq2> wxl: hey, I'll send an email as a response to my call for testing about the respin <tsimonq2> wxl: I also *really* *really* want the libfm update that got into xenial-updates today to be in the image, I'l going to test and see if it's there, and if it isn't, do you mind if I ask for a respin? <tsimonq2> oh no :( <tsimonq2> there are no images in the folder! <wxl> sure sure <tsimonq2> wxl: we have no Lubuntu alternate images at all <tsimonq2> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily/20160718/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily/20160719/ #lubuntu-devel 2016-07-20 <tsimonq2> YES! the libfm fix made it in! <wxl> yay * tsimonq2 smoke tests <tsimonq2> wxl: think I should poke /win 20 <tsimonq2> whopps <tsimonq2> ahhhhhhhh <tsimonq2> wxl: think I should poke slangasek about getting an experimental LXQt image? <wxl> tsimonq2: not until we have some sense as to what the additional applications would be like <tsimonq2> alright wxl <wxl> that's what i think, at least <tsimonq2> wxl: well we already have a metapackage, no? <tsimonq2> wxl: I mean, would it hurt? :) <wxl> potentially <tsimonq2> how so? <wxl> i'm not sure canonical has the resources to do something "just because" <wxl> and i'm not sure it would be really useful to the end user since it would be incomplete <tsimonq2> oh I see <wxl> if they wanted something incomplete, they could also just build their own system with the metapackage <tsimonq2> yeah <wxl> i love the idea but the fact of the matter is we just need to wait <tsimonq2> I see <flexiondotorg> tsimonq2, o/ <flexiondotorg> One of the Ubuntu MATE servers (the one running my ZNC bouncer) failed overnight. <flexiondotorg> I've lost some IRC history. <flexiondotorg> So, if you messaged me. I missed it. <tsimonq2> I didn't <flexiondotorg> tsimonq2, o/ <flexiondotorg> Looks like Lubuntu testing is going well. <flexiondotorg> I'm doing some Ubuntu MATE testing now. <flexiondotorg> Looks good enough to me :-) <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: Lubuntu is doing one more respin <flexiondotorg> tsimonq2, Because? <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: light-locker-settings is completely broken, a fix is landing very soon <flexiondotorg> Thanks. Not a thing that I need to worry about :-) <flexiondotorg> tsimonq2, Any chance someone in Lubuntu can do a quick install of Ubuntu MATE 16.04.1 on PowerPC? <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: I wish I could help you <tsimonq2> unfortunately I don't know who has a PowerPC machine <flexiondotorg> OK <tsimonq2> wxl: we had one last respin this morning <tsimonq2> wxl: but the testing is almost done <redwolf> o/ sudodus <sudodus> o/ <tsimonq2> sudodus! :) <tsimonq2> sudodus: thanks for helping test 16.04.1 a lot, even after today's respin. I appreciate it. :) <sudodus> You are welcome :-) <tsimonq2> sudodus: this morning's respin was due to a fix that made light-locker-settings go from completely unusable to working, all fine now <sudodus> I see. <redwolf> tsimonq2, what happens with mini.iso? <sudodus> But there are still problems with Intel graphics. The cursor is lost after locking. Fix: ctrl+alt+F1, ctrl+alt+F7 <tsimonq2> sudodus: the respin before that (which I also requested) has the libfm fix <tsimonq2> yes :( <tsimonq2> redwolf: related to sudodus' thread? <sudodus> I tested the xenial 32-bit mini.iso today, and it works, both in my Toshiba and in VirtualBox. <redwolf> no, mailing lists <redwolf> it seems failing in vbox <redwolf> but I tested it on Boxes and it works <redwolf> (kvm) <sudodus> There was a report about that, but it works for me. <redwolf> yes, same here <redwolf> odd <redwolf> I hope the one who reported did a checksum test <redwolf> .__. <tsimonq2> XD <sudodus> There is a dialogue at the Ubuntu Forums, and the guy seems to have problems with a scsi package now. <tsimonq2> oh okay <redwolf> ah <wxl> who's chairing this thing? <tsimonq2> sudodus: keep us posted if it concerns Lubuntu please :) <redwolf> tsimonq2, I think <tsimonq2> I thought wxl would, but if he doesn't want to, I can <redwolf> -__- <tsimonq2> wxl: your choice <redwolf> is the boss finally coming? <wxl> i'lts go for it <wxl> ugh <sudodus> Yes, <wxl> go for it i mean <redwolf> I see squares again ._. <tsimonq2> I really want gilir to come to the meetings :) <redwolf> well, we have something important to say :| * tsimonq2 finished the sentence so redwolf didn't ;) <tsimonq2> wxl: \o/ <tsimonq2> oh shoot i need to brush up on my meetingology skills /o\ <tsimonq2> *I <tsimonq2> wxl: should we wait for Julien or just go for it? <wxl> go for it <redwolf> yer! <tsimonq2> #startmeeting Lubuntu Team Meeting for July 20, 2016 <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Jul 20 19:00:36 2016 UTC. The chair is tsimonq2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick * meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu-devel to: Lubuntu QA/Development | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/QA | Support: #lubuntu | Chat: #lubuntu-offtopic | Now Testing: Xenial Xerus 16.04.1 due 21 July, Yakkety Yak 16.10 dailies | Lubuntu Team Meeting for July 20, 2016 | Current topic: <sudodus> While we are waiting, I'd like to say that 16.04.1 is really much improved compared the 16.04. Now it is a nice LTS release :-) <tsimonq2> could you show your attendance by saying o/ please ? <tsimonq2> o/ <redwolf> o/ <wxl> o/ <sudodus> o/ <tsimonq2> great, we are just waiting on Julien <tsimonq2> Here is our planned meeting agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda <tsimonq2> #topic https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda * meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu-devel to: Lubuntu QA/Development | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/QA | Support: #lubuntu | Chat: #lubuntu-offtopic | Now Testing: Xenial Xerus 16.04.1 due 21 July, Yakkety Yak 16.10 dailies | Lubuntu Team Meeting for July 20, 2016 | Current topic: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda <tsimonq2> whoops <tsimonq2> #topic Yakkety Alpha 2/16.04.1/14.04.5 and SRU work * meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu-devel to: Lubuntu QA/Development | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/QA | Support: #lubuntu | Chat: #lubuntu-offtopic | Now Testing: Xenial Xerus 16.04.1 due 21 July, Yakkety Yak 16.10 dailies | Lubuntu Team Meeting for July 20, 2016 | Current topic: Yakkety Alpha 2/16.04.1/14.04.5 and SRU work <tsimonq2> There <tsimonq2> so coming up, we have 16.04.1 that is supposed to be release tomorrow <tsimonq2> as sudodus said, we have a lot of nice fixes that really makes it a good release <tsimonq2> we had a rebuild yesterday due to a libfm fix <tsimonq2> and a rebuild today due to a light-locker-settings fix <tsimonq2> buyt we are actually almost covered in testing <tsimonq2> *but <tsimonq2> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/363/builds <tsimonq2> I'm working on the rest of the amd64 alternate test cases <tsimonq2> we're good to go on Desktop <tsimonq2> we just need to tackle Alternate i386 <sudodus> I hope you will be able to do some double-checking tests of Lubuntu 16.04.1 after this meeting :-) <tsimonq2> sudodus: did you plan on doing that today or should I? <tsimonq2> sudodus: and in what way should I double-check? :) <sudodus> Do the same testcase but with your hardware :-) <tsimonq2> sudodus: I usually do them in a VM just to smoke test :) <wxl> yes, hardware testing is always welcome, especially when it comes to LTS releases <tsimonq2> I agree with wxl <gilir> hi there, sorry for beeing late :-/ <tsimonq2> hello gilir! :) <sudodus> hi gilir <redwolf> o/ gilir <wxl> no problem. good to see you gilir :) <tsimonq2> gilir: we were currently talking about 16.04.1 beingreleased tomorrow <tsimonq2> gilir: you aren't that late :) <tsimonq2> anyways <tsimonq2> so although I can't test with my own hardware as I don't have much to test with, I'm glad sudodus is testing it as well <tsimonq2> the release notes are almost done, soon after the meeting they will be on the usual /Draft wiki page <sudodus> Maybe someone else can test too, and on hardware <tsimonq2> and like I said, I'm working to smoke test <wxl> might want to call out for hardware testing <tsimonq2> like on the mailing list? <wxl> yeah <wxl> can't hurt <tsimonq2> I see, alright <tsimonq2> #action tsimonq2: send an email to the lubuntu-devel list asking for hardware testing of 16.04.1 <meetingology> ACTION: tsimonq2: send an email to the lubuntu-devel list asking for hardware testing of 16.04.1 <tsimonq2> there <tsimonq2> so let's talk about Yakkety Alpha 2 <tsimonq2> that's next week Thursday <tsimonq2> and while there's not much that's exciting (I think, correct me if I'm wrong) we should be aware of it :) <tsimonq2> sudodus: will you be able to help test Alpha 2 as well next week? :) <tsimonq2> I will <sudodus> what problems should we look for with yakkety? <redwolf> abiword <tsimonq2> yes <tsimonq2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/Alpha1/Lubuntu <tsimonq2> that has the known problems ^ <tsimonq2> ooh, the btrfs/xfs bug? <sudodus> OK <redwolf> yup <tsimonq2> gilir: did you ever get a chance to fix bug 1591851 ? <ubot93> bug 1591851 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "The creation of a BTRFS or XFS partition fails during install of Lubuntu Daily Live image" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1591851 <tsimonq2> (it seems to be a metapackage thing) <gilir> you should be fixed, last time I checked the btrfs stuff was on the ISO <gilir> you / it <tsimonq2> alright, thanks gilir :) <tsimonq2> but otherwise I see nothing major <tsimonq2> 14.04.5! <tsimonq2> the planned release date for that is August 4th <sudodus> It would be nice if we can SRU usb-creator-gtk 0.3.2 from Xenial to Trusty <wxl> i am in support of that idea <tsimonq2> sudodus: is there a bug filed? I can work to get that good to go <sudodus> Yes <tsimonq2> or gilir if he prefers :) <tsimonq2> either way, +1 with me as well <sudodus> but maybe some particular person should be asked to do it (personal contact) <wxl> gilir never refuses an opportunity to put more work on his plate ;) <gilir> I pass on this one :-) <wxl> heheheh <tsimonq2> #topic tsimonq2: get usb-creator-gtk 0.3.2 into Trusty * meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu-devel to: Lubuntu QA/Development | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/QA | Support: #lubuntu | Chat: #lubuntu-offtopic | Now Testing: Xenial Xerus 16.04.1 due 21 July, Yakkety Yak 16.10 dailies | Lubuntu Team Meeting for July 20, 2016 | Current topic: tsimonq2: get usb-creator-gtk 0.3.2 into Trusty <tsimonq2> oh jeez <tsimonq2> gahh meetingbot <tsimonq2> #topic Yakkety Alpha 2/16.04.1/14.04.5 and SRU work * meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu-devel to: Lubuntu QA/Development | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/QA | Support: #lubuntu | Chat: #lubuntu-offtopic | Now Testing: Xenial Xerus 16.04.1 due 21 July, Yakkety Yak 16.10 dailies | Lubuntu Team Meeting for July 20, 2016 | Current topic: Yakkety Alpha 2/16.04.1/14.04.5 and SRU work <tsimonq2> #agenda tsimonq2: get usb-creator-gtk 0.3.2 into Trusty <tsimonq2> noo <tsimonq2> #action tsimonq2: get usb-creator-gtk 0.3.2 into Trusty <tsimonq2> there :P <meetingology> ACTION: tsimonq2: get usb-creator-gtk 0.3.2 into Trusty <tsimonq2> also, gilir had some SRUs he submitted to the mailing list <tsimonq2> I'll be sure to include fixes in the release notes as well :) <wxl> oh and we need ppc testing bad. <tsimonq2> +1 <wxl> can't release the untested. <sudodus> +1 <tsimonq2> besides that, any other items for this before we move on? <tsimonq2> but yes, I don't have a PPC machine to test <wxl> as much as it pains me to say this, maybe we should start considering dropping ppc. <tsimonq2> wxl: could you send an email to the mailing list to get widespread feedback if you think that it's the best option? <wxl> oh yeah. i mean it's a case where the users need to be testers or it just can't happen <tsimonq2> I garee <tsimonq2> *agree <wxl> it's not even a choice <wxl> if they aren't tested, canonical won't release them <sudodus> Yes, I think 16.04 LTS can be the last version for PPC. It is getting really hard to get it tested, so probably very few people use it nowadays <tsimonq2> yeah <wxl> but i don't just want to make the decision <tsimonq2> so could somebody send something to the mailing list then? <wxl> i'd rather open it up to the community and let them decide <tsimonq2> yeah I agree <redwolf> +1 <wxl> i'll do it <sudodus> good idea <tsimonq2> #action wxl: send an email to lubuntu-* about dropping ppc support <meetingology> ACTION: wxl: send an email to lubuntu-* about dropping ppc support <tsimonq2> so anything else before we move on? <tsimonq2> I'd just like to say thanks to sudodus for all of the testing he's been doing :) <tsimonq2> let's move on! :) <wxl> +1 <tsimonq2> #topic Bug Day * meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu-devel to: Lubuntu QA/Development | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/QA | Support: #lubuntu | Chat: #lubuntu-offtopic | Now Testing: Xenial Xerus 16.04.1 due 21 July, Yakkety Yak 16.10 dailies | Lubuntu Team Meeting for July 20, 2016 | Current topic: Bug Day <tsimonq2> Lubuntu is running a Bug Day on the 26th <wxl> yay bug day <tsimonq2> we are basically going to get help from the community to go through our bugs <tsimonq2> I hope we get AbiWord bugs triaged, last I checked we have hundreds of them! :) <wxl> ew abiword <tsimonq2> I agree with wxl :P <redwolf> .__. <wxl> are we going to focus on a particular segment or prioritize? <wxl> like perhaps it might be good to focus on lx components first? <sudodus> hundreds of bugs on Abiword??? <redwolf> it's buggy, yes <wxl> and then move on to apps that we tend to be the primary users of like, um, abiword <tsimonq2> well I was going to ask, is there anything that you guys want triages? <redwolf> but we have no replacement <tsimonq2> *triages <tsimonq2> **triaged <tsimonq2> ugh <wxl> sure we do, redwolf, it's called vim. :) * wxl ducks <redwolf> :| <tsimonq2> but yes, I agree with wxl <tsimonq2> ohhhhhhhh XD * tsimonq2 gives wxl a high-five <tsimonq2> anyways <redwolf> gilir, about this... <gilir> if you want to work on abiword, you probably want to talk to jbicha, he was quite active on it recently <redwolf> I told tsimonq2 we were playing with the solution for the last bug <sudodus> I think many Lubuntu users install LibreOffice <tsimonq2> alright gilir, I'll keep him in the loop :) <gilir> redwolf, right, but I don't think it's strickly a bug theme <tsimonq2> another thing besides specific bugs, we are having an Ubuntu On Air session on the 25th from 1900 to 2000 UTC <tsimonq2> http://ubuntuonair.com/ will have all the details <gilir> our theme just "activate" it, see upstream bug here : http://bugzilla.abisource.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13791 <ubot93> bugzilla.abisource.com bug 13791 in Front End - GTK "constant redraw flicker when document not empty" [Major,New] <redwolf> not really, right <sudodus> Is it an option to change to
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