#ubuntustudio 2010-10-01 <yro_anjos> boa noite! <rlameiro> boa noite yro_anjos, fico contente por ver por aqui alguem que fale portugues, mas por norma o pessoal tenta falar em ingles :D <yro_anjos> entÃ£o terei muita dificuldades <yro_anjos> :/ <yro_anjos> nozes <rlameiro> yro_anjos: Portugal ou Brasil? <yro_anjos> Ainda no Brasil <rlameiro> tens #ubuntu-br :D <yro_anjos> sim estou migrando aos pouco para Ubuntu Studio <rlameiro> ok <rlameiro> o que fazes com ele? <yro_anjos> Boa pergunta, nada! hahahuahuah, apenas sou usuÃ¡rio normal, mas estou usando ele para criar vÃ­deos caseiros, conecer novos aplicativos para educaÃ§Ã£o infantil <rlameiro> ok <yro_anjos> e vc? <rlameiro> Musica, efeitos em tempo real principalmente <yro_anjos> bem interessante <yro_anjos> tens blog, wiki, homepage? * persia reads extra slow, and wonders if #ubuntu-br refused support for Studio, or just didn't have answers. <rlameiro> persia: :D <persia> portugues no em muita dificuldades, mas ... <yro_anjos> persia, exercita um pouco <persia> heh, yeah. I need to review my studies again. <persia> Anyway, question still not answered: did someone say they couldn't support it because it was Ubuntu Studio, or just that here might also be a good place to ask because nobody in #ubuntu-br knew the answer? <rlameiro> lol <rlameiro> and he went away <persia> My portuguese is clearly frighteningly bad, rather than just incomprehensible :) <rlameiro> good enough :D <nevyn> what's the ubuntu equivilent of packages.debian.org? <persia> nevyn, packages.ubuntu.com <persia> I believe Rhonda has deployed nearly identical code to both, CSS aside (although p.u.c tends to lag a bit because of deployment issues with the infrastructure provider) <nevyn> hrm does that track ubuntustudio packages or not? <persia> Ought do. Ubuntu Studio is part of Ubuntu. No special repositories or packages or anything. <Teemukin65> I have onboard soundcard ALC1200, about the same as Realtek 888s card. <Teemukin65> That has 2 stereo inputs specified. How to set up the Alsa so that Jack could see 4 capture ports ? <Teemukin65> Or how ? <persia> When you run JACK, what do you see in patchage? <prontactre> cq * You're now known as ubuntulog #ubuntustudio 2010-10-02 <zulax> hi, i cant get output for my guitar <zulax> its plugged in but i get to sound thru speaker <holstein> hey zulax <holstein> are you using JACK ? <zulax> i have it installed <zulax> and also rakarrack <zulax> holstein, did u mean JACK control? <holstein> are you using JACK ? <holstein> in general? <zulax> no idea <zulax> i installed rakarrack <zulax> and it installed JACK control <zulax> thats all i know <zulax> i will go ahead and install jack <holstein> you should have it <zulax> ok, got it <holstein> sweet <holstein> start jack control <zulax> ok <holstein> what sound device? <zulax> should that be in the small window that opens with jack control? <holstein> yup <holstein> wait <zulax> dont see anything like that there though <holstein> what sound inteface are youusing? <zulax> default <zulax> is there <zulax> but there is a dropdown list <zulax> all is set to default <holstein> default is cool <holstein> internal sound card? <holstein> USB ? <zulax> internal sound card <zulax> not sure if its usb or not <holstein> yeah? <holstein> you didnt add a USB sound device right? <zulax> not that i know of <holstein> in jack control <holstein> hit start <holstein> and see what happens <zulax> dont hear anything <holstein> yeah <zulax> it says started though <holstein> OK <zulax> and the RT is changing <holstein> hit the 'connect' <holstein> connections <zulax> that opened a new window <holstein> yup <holstein> under 'audio' <holstein> you'll see 2 columns <holstein> with entries <zulax> yes <holstein> hit the little "+" signs <holstein> to expand <zulax> oh wow! <zulax> i got it! <holstein> on the left are your inputs <zulax> yeah!!!!! <holstein> and the right are your outputs <zulax> that worked, <holstein> when you laung rakarrack <zulax> holstein, u made my day! <holstein> you route your signal through it :) <holstein> zulax: back at 'setup' <holstein> in the main jack window <zulax> should i disconnect the capture? <holstein> there are only a couple things you need to tweak <holstein> IF you need to tweak <holstein> frames/period <holstein> and periods/buffer <holstein> the other settings should be FINE <holstein> those are the ones we generally tweak when we talk about 'latency' <holstein> if you play your guitar <holstein> and you hear it a few miliseconds late <holstein> you can tweak these settings <zulax> is there a best value for those or do they depend on system <holstein> yeah <holstein> its up to your hardware <zulax> for now, i hear it pretty good <zulax> fast enough <holstein> COOL <holstein> if it aint broke :) <zulax> so, this works now <holstein> :) <zulax> how about rakarrack <holstein> check out #opensourcemusicians <holstein> you just open ANY app that supports JACK <holstein> and you can route it however you need in JACK <holstein> under 'connect' <zulax> wow <zulax> this is cool <zulax> finally can play my guitar on linux now <zulax> holstein, will my damage my pc/soundcard/speaker fast by using effect on computer? <holstein> maybe <holstein> if you push them to hard <holstein> start low <holstein> with levels #ubuntustudio 2010-10-03 <Embryonic> ALLO <Embryonic> Anyone here? <Embryonic> Guess not, Ok so i'll leave a message and you can get back to me <Embryonic> I went to install Ubuntu Studio this morning, followed the on screen instructions, Guided install using the Entire disk, I selected my secondary drive, which is 80Gigs, It wiped it clean, and installed there, but along the way for some reason it also wiped my 250 Gig Windows drive. I'm not really happy seeing as I lost about 5000 songs, and at the very least 500 pictures from my wedding. Any idea on what I can do to actually in <Embryonic> stall Studio without worrying about if its going to destroy my primary drive again? <Embryonic> please Email me, gregory37@example.net, I'm trying to recover my stuff, got most of my pictures back thank god for Picasa <jay_> hey all, considering upgrading from ubuntu 10.04 to ubuntu studio, but it looks like studio gregory37@example.net status still, is this an issue? <l0xin> studio is on 10.04 as well. 10.10 due this coming week I believe <jay_> ah ok, the wiki must be behind <l0xin> yeah, I think it's released at pretty much the same time as standard Ubuntu is <jay_> essentially studio is just more packages/apps? <jay_> same underlyings? <l0xin> yeah <jay_> ok, thanks- I have issues with my medion tablet, wondering if studio would remedy this <l0xin> extra packages grouped into specialist areas (graphics / video / sound) <jay_> I'll try 10.10 first I think <l0xin> probably for that best. #ubuntustudio 2010-10-04 <Fezzler> Does REAPER work in Ubuntu? <holstein> looking at the screenshots <holstein> it looks alot like http://www.renoise.com/ <holstein> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=3336 <holstein> i would ask over in #opensourcemusicians Fezzler <holstein> see if anyone acutally uses it <holstein> i remember seeing some chatter <holstein> but i forget what the final word was <Fezzler> u use renoise? <holstein> i checked out the demo <holstein> seemed cool <holstein> ardour is really the tool that fits my needs best <Fezzler> I bounce around. REAPER, ProTools, Audacity, Ardour, Live <holstein> i really dont do anything that requires live <Fezzler> REAPER IRC on MIXXNET <holstein> and i found the UI quite strange <holstein> audacity doesnt do multitrack well <holstein> i really dont know much about reaper <Fezzler> It is odd. But it is one of those pieces of software if you go thru the tutorials, it begins to make sense and you realize why it is so darn innovative <holstein> live? <Fezzler> yea <holstein> thats what ive heard <holstein> i really dont do much MIDI or electronic music <holstein> and when i do <Fezzler> also, and I am new to recording, for some reason Live has produced some of my best mixes <ScottL> Fezzler, i believe reaper will work with ubuntu but requires wine of course <holstein> i tend to treat it more like an anolog source <holstein> yeah, its not going to hurt anything to try reaper <holstein> just get wine and go for it <Fezzler> guitar player - but I do use software drums and shakers and horns <holstein> and poke around on wineHQ <Fezzler> ScottL>> Thanks! <Fezzler> I have wine installed <ScottL> Fezzler, if you check the reaper forums you should find someone called "alex stone" (i think) who did a bunch of work with it <holstein> AH, thats cool <Fezzler> ScottL>> Thanks <Fezzler> Beginning mixer, but my best results have been when I track each drum component individually <holstein> best sounding? <holstein> or best groove? <holstein> might have to find a happy middle ground <holstein> read about some recording techniques <holstein> if your having phase issues <Fezzler> sounding. when I put drum track on one track, mix is always muddy <holstein> close mic-ing each drum? <holstein> with like 4 or 6 tracks? <Fezzler> midi / wave drums <holstein> OH <holstein> that shouldnt matter then <holstein> you can tell hydrogen to spit each drum out separatly to JACK <holstein> so you can mix them like an actual kit <Fezzler> yes, I like hydrogen. I think tracking each drum opens up mix, but what do I know <holstein> hey <holstein> if it sounds good <holstein> go for it <Fezzler> fun learning, just wish I had more time <Fezzler> and money for instructions <holstein> nah <holstein> you can get help online <Fezzler> well, I've read about panning. volume is easy. I need to learn more about EQ, Gate, Compression <Fezzler> I also found my best results are when I add only subtle effect. <Fezzler> anyone try rakarack * holstein is a rakarrack fanboy :) <Fezzler> Oh! Struck a nerve. :) <Fezzler> I should check it out then <holstein> those guys are really great too <holstein> quite an active project <ScottL> i second rakarrack, awesome jack-aware application <holstein> crazy light-weight too <holstein> for what all it does <Fezzler> holstein>> just installed it <ScottL> i think one of the newer developers actually knows about electrical engineering <Fezzler> holstein>> so my guitar should be recorded clean and then add Rakarack effects <holstein> i usually track with it on <holstein> and take a wet and dry channel <holstein> then, i got options <Fezzler> holstein>> I bet you can remap too. Put clean on one track, output to new track with rakarrack <holstein> yup <holstein> in JACK <holstein> you can route the clean one where ever after the fact <Fezzler> I use my DigiTech RP250 as my audio input device. Not sure it does clean or aka bypass <Fezzler> I think it has a "Direct" <holstein> yeah <holstein> maybe you can get both going in <holstein> on 2 tracks <Fezzler> unless my Ubuntu PC has a firewire in port, I have a M-Audio Firewire 410 <holstein> yeah <holstein> i got a firepod <Fezzler> Firepod a line 6 product? <Fezzler> or Presonus? <holstein> presonus firepod <holstein> FP-10 they call it now <Fezzler> just looked it up -sweet <holstein> yeah, it works well <holstein> decent preamps <holstein> 8 balanced ins <holstein> !play <holstein> sorry <Fezzler> Lots of options with the FP-10 <holstein> around 400 too <holstein> US $ <Fezzler> here is what I have http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_au/FireWire410.html <Fezzler> It is somewhat quirky because it requires a complete shutdown to plug-in, unplug. Sometime "sleeping" the computer works too. <holstein> OH <holstein> that could be the chipset <holstein> http://www.ffado.org/?q=node/24 :/ <Fezzler> well - looks like no go in Linux for M-Audio FW 410 per your link <holstein> yup <Fezzler> Firepod does though have Linux driver (or works with alsa?) <holstein> ffado <holstein> the firewire driver in JACK <holstein> just works :) <holstein> ffado is where to check <Fezzler> should I try or not bother? <holstein> with the firewire 410? <Fezzler> yup <holstein> wont hurt to plug it in and see <holstein> but the ffado site is pretty current <holstein> they have an active mailing list too <Fezzler> holstein>> see ya <holstein> Fezzler: :) <Fezzler> holstein>> gonna give rakarack a try and just capture a clean as possible tone from RP250 <holstein> rakarrack FTW :) <Fezzler> I've learned not only does playing guitar turn one into a gear head but also a tone head! <holstein> hehe <Fezzler> I'm so glad I took this hobby up. Just wish I started 30 years ago <Fezzler> holstein>> <Fezzler> rakarack Q: here? <holstein> sure <holstein> theres a channel too though <holstein> if i dont know <Guest11951> i'm launching jackd from a bash script. anyone know how to detect inside the script that jackd has started up? <M00R1Z> hey everybody, i have a small question, is ubuntu studio ubuntu+studio, meaning that it's always based on ubuntu's latest version and i basically get ubuntu + the audiovisual stuff? <M00R1Z> i appreciate it <skypce> hi <skypce> can you helpme with it: <skypce> JACK ERROR: zombified - calling shutdown handler <skypce> Audio33ec:265c:71fe:e26d:2682:4ec2:aaa1:99abshutdown() <skypce> it is when i run muse from cosole <skypce> and i try to load a soundfont <skypce> with fluidsynth <holstein> skypce: i have seen that <holstein> i think there is an argument <holstein> -z or -Z <holstein> i used to use it to get zynaddsubfx to run <skypce> very thank you holstein <skypce> i will test in a moment <skypce> :D #ubuntustudio 2010-10-05 <Fezzler> rakarrack user? <holstein> w00t <holstein> Fezzler: you get it sorted? <Fezzler> holstein>> no <Fezzler> holstein>> I saw something on line about a special build for jackd <Fezzler> holstein>> but my jackd works <Fezzler> holstein>> funny, the syth rakarrack is based on works <Fezzler> holstein>> I've reinstalled it...nothing <holstein> Fezzler: just for S&G's <holstein> are you running the ubuntustudio theme? <Fezzler> theme? <Fezzler> holstein>> no, I don't think so <holstein> ok <holstein> NM then <holstein> lets see what the OSMP folk say <ronj> Hi, I just tested today's iso and it seems it fails to create the user directory. I used "use entire disk" and "setup encrypted home". Reading the contents of the disk by booting a livecd, it seems /home is empty (no "ronj" folder, no ".ecryptfs" folder). Don't know if it's specific to an ecryptfs setup or if it is also the case with a standard install, will do the test this evening <ronj> if anyone has the time to do it today, by all means please do so and report on the mailing list if you find something bad <ronj> ... release is approaching... #ubuntustudio 2010-10-06 <Splashman> hi all <[Damaskinos]> salve ubuntu studio non Ã¨ anche in versione live per provarla? <dludldin> hello everybody! <holstein> dludldin: hello :) <dludldin> right know tuxguitar is working fine with me but i had problems to get it ok <holstein> do share <dludldin> at this moment im making an update perhaps this could solve the problem but anyway if don't i guess that tuxguitar 1.1 and 1.2 have problems with java synth <holstein> OH <holstein> i remember tuxguitar now <holstein> i dont need tablature <holstein> SO i just kinda opened it up <dludldin> when java synth is enabled tuxguitar takes its time to run apox 1minute maybe less <holstein> maybe in karmic? <holstein> is that for monitoring? <holstein> i would probably just route tuxguitar to whatever synth i want to use <holstein> in JACK <holstein> assuming it has proper JACK support <holstein> i did not try that <dludldin> jack is another one that gave me issues too <holstein> how so? <holstein> that is kinda the 'heart' of the linux audio system <dludldin> for what i can remember first time i installed jack was in a fluydsynt plugin to tuxguitar that consequently had to install jack <holstein> sounds right <dludldin> dont know if jack works i havent tested yet <holstein> again, thats really the center of it all <holstein> learning JACK <holstein> and getting it running properly is key <dludldin> after solving jack's non starting problem i havent tested at least it runs know <holstein> you dont have to, but its SO handy <holstein> and like your situation <holstein> when you need to route a synth from something like tuxguitar <holstein> you just make the connection in JACK <dludldin> is it 0.4% at jack o.k.? <holstein> well, what are your settings? <holstein> did you start from 'jack control'? <dludldin> yes <holstein> so, click on setup <holstein> the 'settings' tab <holstein> you using the alsa driver with an internal sound card? <dludldin> yap <holstein> OK <holstein> in the lower right <holstein> what is the latency? <holstein> in msec ? <dludldin> 46.4 <dludldin> 46.4 msec <holstein> OK <holstein> thats decent for an internal card <holstein> you see in the middle there? <holstein> sample rate? <holstein> i set that, and suggest that be set to 41000 <holstein> above and below that <holstein> frames/period <dludldin> 44100 <holstein> and period/buffers <holstein> those are the 2 settings we 'tweak' <holstein> to effect the latency <holstein> you might not need the latency to be lower <holstein> IF <dludldin> 1024 2 <holstein> when you run programs <holstein> you get xruns <holstein> you can come here and change those settings <holstein> raise them <holstein> maybe to <holstein> 1024 3 <holstein> that kind of tweak will increase your latency <holstein> potentially fixing that xrun issue <holstein> IF you have the issue <holstein> the only reason to need super low latency <holstein> is if you are doing live effects processing <holstein> SAY, you got your guitar plugged in to your sound card <holstein> you route that in JACK to rakarrack <holstein> and out to your sound card <holstein> you play your guitar <holstein> and 46ms later <holstein> you hear the effected signal <holstein> thats not too good <holstein> OR <dludldin> i have to test it if it sounds good <holstein> if you have a midi synth plugged in <holstein> you'll play a note <holstein> and 46ms later <holstein> you hear the sound you have selected <holstein> again, probably unwanted <holstein> IF you dont have these 'realtime' requirements <holstein> then, dont sweat it <dludldin> do you know if these three messages are bad sh: artsshell: not found ,JACK: unable to mlock() port buffers: Cannot allocate memory,cannot lock down memory for RT thread <holstein> yeah <holstein> JACK is not running then <holstein> is this lucid? <holstein> 10.04? <dludldin> yes <holstein> in 'setup' <holstein> see the checkbox for realtime? <dludldin> yap <holstein> uncheck that if its checked <holstein> then say 'ok' <holstein> and close jack control <holstein> open a terminal <holstein> and type <holstein> sudo adduser dludldin audio <holstein> ^^ assuming dludldin is the username on your box <holstein> i would type <holstein> sudo adduser holstein audio <dludldin> right know only get a possible bad message sh: artsshell: not found <holstein> AH <holstein> progress <holstein> close jackcontrol <holstein> open a terminal <holstein> and typr <holstein> type* <holstein> sudo qjackctl <holstein> and see if JACK starts <holstein> then we'll talk about trouble shooting further <dludldin> in terminal i get suspending pulse audio and in jack messages 19:28:45.722 Patchbay deactivated. <dludldin> 19:28:45.832 Statistics reset. <dludldin> 19:28:45.871 ALSA connection graph change. <dludldin> 19:28:46.125 ALSA connection change. <holstein> OK <holstein> is JACK running though? <dludldin> no <holstein> says 'stopped' <holstein> in the main window? <dludldin> yes <holstein> hmmm <holstein> internal card makes sound otherwise? <dludldin> give me three or four minutes holstein <holstein> sure <dludldin> hi again <holstein> :) <dludldin> well i can hear mp3 when jack is not running <holstein> OK <holstein> thats good <holstein> open in terminal <holstein> sudo qjackctl <holstein> and lets look at your settings again <holstein> in 'setup' <holstein> on the right column <holstein> what is under 'interface' ? <holstein> default? <dludldin> yes <holstein> hmmm <holstein> try hitting start again <holstein> as root <holstein> and see what it says <dludldin> as root says starting then goes black and white and im not able to close it <dludldin> i had jack running ok in ubuntu 8.04 <holstein> well, this is what needs to be sorted out <holstein> and i got a meeting here in a minute <holstein> let me give you some suggestions <holstein> of course #jack <holstein> and #opensourcemusicians <holstein> and the ubuntustudio mailing list <dludldin> ok im gratefull for your time <holstein> im in here alot though <holstein> and i'll try again later with you if you dont get it sorted :) <dludldin> ok see you later then, thanks <dludldin> anyone make music? <holstein> hello again dludldin :) <holstein> heres a little 30 second thing i did not too long ago <holstein> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/groove.ogg <holstein> and heres a friends music all made with ubuntu <holstein> http://wootangent.net/music/ <aputamkon> hello <plotino> hi everybody <plotino> im trying to connect my MIDI keyboard to PC <aputamkon> any 1 know what system is best to dual boot with ubuntu? emachines dell hp? <plotino> this keyb is an old portatone <plotino> it has synthesizer capability <plotino> im trying to get it play from hydrogen + jack <plotino> anybody knows hoe to do that? <aputamkon> no idead my self sorry <dludldin> hi <dludldin> holstein : are you there <holstein> dludldin: hey <holstein> did you see my posts earlier? <holstein> 16:14 < holstein> heres a little 30 second thing i did not too long ago <holstein> 16:14 < holstein> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/groove.ogg <holstein> 16:14 < holstein> and heres a friends music all made with ubuntu <holstein> 16:14 < holstein> http://wootangent.net/music/ <holstein> anyways.. did you get sorted? <holstein> JACK? <dludldin> jack is ok <dludldin> just a minute <holstein> COOL <dludldin> would you help to connect tuxguitar to qsynth via jack? this would be a good learning experience <holstein> sure <holstein> in theory <dludldin> trying to listen to your 30 second thing but not being able to <holstein> you get JACK running <holstein> open 'connect' <holstein> and thats where all the JACK friendly apps will show up <holstein> and im not quite sure what tuxguitar looks like <holstein> but, see if it just shows up there <dludldin> why can t listen to groove.ogg? <holstein> .ogg ? <holstein> maybe <dludldin> your 30 second thing <holstein> try downloading it <holstein> open a terminal <holstein> wget http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/groove.ogg <holstein> you can navigate to your Music directory first if you want <holstein> cd /home/you/Music <holstein> wget http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/groove.ogg <holstein> its not that big a deal though ;) <dludldin> i downloaded it but media player dont read it <holstein> which media player? <holstein> it should just play in the browser <dludldin> ubuntu default <dludldin> movie player i guess <holstein> OH <holstein> you got JACK going <holstein> you would have to route it <holstein> you can do that later ;) <dludldin> that s it :) <dludldin> how have you done this? <holstein> the track? <dludldin> yes <holstein> i just did acoustic instruments <holstein> overdubbed <holstein> with ardour <holstein> routed in JACK <holstein> using a presonus firepod interface <holstein> mixed with ardour, and routed through JAMin <dludldin> i guess it sounds brazilian <holstein> ah <holstein> cool :) <dludldin> flute , some small string instrument , acoustic bass , percussion? <holstein> nylon string parlor guitar <holstein> like a little classical guitar <holstein> open holed bamboo flute <holstein> acoustic bass <holstein> i think that was just a floor tom or something <holstein> banging on it and the rim <holstein> and i got http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/osmp30.ogg <holstein> more rockin ;) <dludldin> very nice mix. pro quality sound <holstein> i need to re-do some of the parts though <holstein> i got distracted before i got a good final mix on it <holstein> dludldin: thanks :) <dludldin> well i prefer the acoustic one <holstein> me too <holstein> trying to do some commercial stuff though <dludldin> how do you record electric guitar? <holstein> i went right into a preamp <holstein> i have a presonus eureka <holstein> then into the firepod <holstein> the effects are all rakarrack <holstein> acoustic drums <holstein> synth everything else <holstein> but i dont really do much MIDI <holstein> i tend to just route in JACK and play the synth stuff live <dludldin> firepod? <holstein> like an anolog rig <holstein> http://www.presonus.com/products/detail.aspx?productid=3 <holstein> ^^ they call the firepod the FP-10 now <dludldin> holstein : thanks for helping with jack <holstein> dludldin: anytime :) <dludldin> hey holstein do you like satriani? <holstein> i used to listen some <holstein> i dont remember any of the tunes or albums though <holstein> years ago really <holstein> good stuff <dludldin> in deed he really is a good guitar player ; ) #ubuntustudio 2010-10-07 <dludldin> ok guys see you later or maybe tomorrow <holstein> dludldin: laterx :) <paultag> Anyone have some suggestions for good quarter inch tip-ring-sleeve interfaces ( over firewire or USB ) that play with Linux? <holstein> hey paultag <paultag> heyya holstein <holstein> the presonus firepod has balanced ins <holstein> BUT there was one that [lsd] mentioned the other day in OSM <holstein> and i forget <holstein> same kind of thing <holstein> and not much more money <paultag> holstein, how great is the kernel support? <holstein> well, i was told the other one was supported as well <holstein> but the firepod is plug and play <holstein> i never researched USB devices personally <paultag> :) <paultag> thanks holstein :) #ubuntustudio 2010-10-08 <clave> Hola, queria saber si me pueden ayudar porfavor, para instalar el kernel de ubuntustudio 9.10 ya que intente instalar solo el paquete de audio desde synaptic pero no instalÃ³ el kernel <holstein> hey clave <holstein> sudo apt-get install linux-rt <clave> holstein, gracias <clave> eso es todo? <holstein> para instalar el nÃºcleo, sÃ­ <holstein> hmmm <holstein> para instalar le kernel, si * holstein using google translate <holstein> you'll need to edit grub <holstein> or figure out how to boot into that kernel <holstein> para ver cuÃ¡l es su uso de <holstein> uname -a <clave> i can speak a little of english <holstein> good <holstein> me too ;) <clave> i have to use uname -a? <holstein> uname -a <holstein> in a termial <holstein> tells you what kernel your running <clave> 2.6.31-22-generic #65-Ubuntu SMP Thu Sep 16 15:48:58 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux <holstein> yeah <holstein> after you install the RT one <clave> i will restart then and i guess i will comeback <holstein> if your wondering if you acutally booted into it <holstein> that can be handy <clave> ok <holstein> i think its the 'shift key' <clave> let me write that command somewere <holstein> at boot <holstein> that lets you see the 'grub' list <clave> thank you very much <holstein> clave: anytime :) * holstein is going to bed ... <holstein> GN <matts45acp> can someone help me setp up my wireless adapter <rlameiro> matts45acp: are you using ubntustudio? <rlameiro> yeah <RPG-Master> Hello :) <RPG-Master> I'm trying to follow the guide on the Ubuntu wiki on setting up Jack... I can't seem to find the realtime kernel in synaptic. Is it still necessary? <RPG-Master> This is 10.10 btw #ubuntustudio 2010-10-09 <ianm_> can anyone recommend a usb/midi interface that's plug'n'play in ubuntu? <holstein> ianm_: yup * holstein busy for a bit though <holstein> try #opensourcemusicians :) <maavihs> anyone here? <jussi> no :P <maavihs> anyone here who can help me out? <jussi> just ask, and see! <maavihs> i wanted to no wats the defference between <maavihs> Ubuntu & StudioUbuntu <jussi> !studio <ubottu> UbuntuStudio is a collection of packages for the artist who wishes to use Ubuntu as their Digital Audio Workstation. It contains all the best Audio/Visual components from the Ubuntu repositories. For more info and install instructions, join #ubuntustudio or see http://ubuntustudio.org <maavihs> other then the extra apps <rlameiro> maavihs: the desktop is streamlined <jussi> not much, few settings to make it better for audio <rlameiro> its ver simple, maximazing the desktop are <rlameiro> and uses fixed network setup, to avoid constant polling <rlameiro> this way taxes less the CPU <maavihs> hmmm......any more changes than that? <rlameiro> you have less generalistic software installed by default <maavihs> any idea when is the Ubuntu Studio 10.10 coming out? <rlameiro> but you can install wathever you want after <rlameiro> we hope tomorrow :D <rlameiro> perfect 10 <maavihs> Niceeee <rlameiro> 10.10.10 <maavihs> yup! <rOjo> Hi.. <rOjo> i'm an amateur DJ/Producer from mÃ©xico... and have just heard about UbuntuStudio, anyone here have tried xwax (http://www.xwax.co.uk) with ubuntustudio? <Sikil> Hi, i'm an amateur DJ/Producer from mÃ©xico... and have just heard about UbuntuStudio, anyone here have tried xwax (http://www.xwax.co.uk) with ubuntustudio? <ScottL> hi Sikil or r0jo <ScottL> i have heard of others using xwax but i have not myself <ScottL> do you need a tutorial? <Sikil> :-/ <Sikil> looks like i have problems with the webclient.. <holstein> whats going on Sikil ? <Sikil> ScottL, you mentioned a tutorial for ubuntustudio and xwax is there one? <Sikil> kind of google about those topics but i missed it... <Sikil> i googled about it, i mean.. <holstein> hey, looks like xwax is in the repos * holstein installing <holstein> looks like its coming from the universe repostitory <Sikil> hey holstein, jusr heard about this ubuntu version and i'm going to install it today.. trying to get a DVS form my DJ setup. <holstein> i have only used http://sourceforge.net/projects/idjc/ <Sikil_> arggh.. i guess i'll need to install a desktop IRC client... <ScottL> Sikil, this is a good place for ubuntu studio https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio <ScottL> although it's not really a tutorial since ubuntu studio is a operating system geared towards multimedia <Sikil_> the thing is that if ubuntu studio supports ALSA it's like almost done with xwax mos people poblems with xwax on ubutun is because the oficial distro does not include ALSA preconfigured... <Sikil_> well i'm just assuming that... <ScottL> i'm not sur what you mean by 'does not include ALSA preconfigured' Sikil_ <ScottL> are you referring to the ubuntu studio or to xwax <Sikil> :-/ <Sikil> just regular ubuntu i mean.. wich comes with pulseaudio right? <holstein> so does ubuntustudio <holstein> BUT thats not the problem im having with xwax <Sikil> you know what.. i'll better read a about it and try it.. then i'll come back with a good irc lcitn cause this (http://webchat.freenode.net/) and frigg seems to have issues.. <Sikil> frigg [~frigg@freenode/utility-bot/frigg] requested CTCP VERSION from Sikil: <rlameiro> Sikil: that is normal, these request happen always <Sikil> Well, thanks people... saludos from MÃ©xico. <holstein> well, whatever xwax is suppose to do, it doesnt seem to want to do it <ScottL> denada <Tweaky> hi :) could anyone explain the difference between ubuntu and ubuntu studio? <ianm_> Tweaky: I think Studio has different default programs and sound configuration, at least <Tweaky> ianm_: just curious because i do use linux for audio recording but dunno what the difference is <ianm_> Tweaky: I think it uses JACK instead of PulseAudio and comes with more media creation apps installed, plus aesthetic differences <Tweaky> ianm_: is there an advantage to using JACK? <ianm_> Tweaky: depends what you're doing-- I think it's better for low latency / professional audio stuff <ianm_> Tweaky: for playing music, for basic recording, ALSA or PulseAudio seems fine <Tweaky> ianm_: thanks for the info :) appreciate it * persia idly mentions that ALSA is configured to work by default, and all the pulse stuff is just an overlay #ubuntustudio 2010-10-10 <persia> ianm_, Most JACK apps don't support pulse: the strong argument for JACK is sample-accurate synchronisation from multiple sources, which is important for mixing. Pulse can compete with JACK for latency, but doesn't have the alignment API (unless I missed something somewhere) <ianm_> persia: I see, thanks <Fezzler> Is there an ASIO4ALL for Ubuntu? <persia> I don't believe so, but I don7t beleive one is required. I strongly suspect ALSA performs an essentially similar function. <ronj> yes, alsa/ffado do what you expect <ronj> Fezzler, the audio stack under linux is quite different from what you know under window <persia> Oh, right, FFADO also (although the few bits I found searching about asio4all didn't seem to indicate Fireware support) <sladen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/10.10release_notes <<--- linked in the release notes is 404 <persia> ScottL, ^^ <persia> holstein, Maybe you know? <persia> sladen, -devel is often a better-targeted channel to catch some folk: this is mostly a support channel (but it doesn't matter this time: not enough conflicting traffic) <BrendanT> I'm confused, ubuntu studio 10.10 is apparently available for download on softpedia but ubuntustudio.org says nothing.? <persia> Yeah, the Ubuntu Studio release team is sleeping. Should get updated soon. <persia> It's released, but the website update is waiting for the right people to wake up. <BrendanT> Oh ok? Can I ask some questions about it for home use that I can't seem to find the answers for on google? <persia> Yes. That's the entire purpose of this channel. No promises anyone here happens to know the answer. <sladen> persia: which -devel? <persia> sladen, #ubuntustudio-devel, but the folk you need are likely a couple hours from being active. <persia> (and the key folk are probably also in #ubuntu-devel, #ubuntu-release, etc.) <BrendanT> It's only nooby stuff. I'm wondering If ubuntustudio does all the things normal things that ubuntu does + the multimedia things because i'd still like all the things in the main release but really want all the audio apps that are nicely setup in studio <persia> Do you already have Ubuntu installed? <BrendanT> Yeah but I'm doing a fresh install because i've broken heaps of things and it freazes up alot. i heard i can install the studio packages from synaptic on a standard ubuntu but does it work just as good? <persia> Yes, absolutely, without question. <persia> Now, to temper that statement, some users of Studio have very tight latency requirements, and push their hardware to the limit. <persia> These users are better served by uninstalling the integration with instant messaging, automatic network detection, etc.: basically all the stuff that might grab your processor at an inconvenient moment. <persia> if you install from the Studio media, these things aren't installed by default. <persia> Plus you get a slightly different theme. <BrendanT> Isn't the real time kernel for stopping those things? <persia> (not that it's terribly hard to change themes or anything) <persia> There's no realtime kernel available for 10.10. Further, I don't believe most people need it. <BrendanT> Oh why not? i thought it was crucial for keeping the audio processes from being interupted? <persia> If you're really pushing your hardware tight enough to require realtime, your chance of XRUNS due to the inability of the HW to keep up is likely higher than your chance of delay: JACK enforces sample-accuracy even with some latency. <persia> Doesn't make that much difference, assuming one isn't also trying to compile the kernel or something. <persia> Mind you, if one is running on limited hardware, or trying to do 18 things at once, etc. one might want to override some things. <persia> that said, if one is doing that, it's probably time to think about a hardware upgrade. <BrendanT> Ok - sort of understand -. Well Its all just for playing around with at the moment because my m-audio fast track ultra sadly doesnt have a linux driver so i have to go to windows to use it. <persia> There are a few niche cases where one does need realtime, perhaps interacting with out-of-box analog systems with very high fidelity, but at the cost of an audio interface and preamps that can handle that, the price of a modern processor is not very high. <persia> For playing around, there's absolutely no value to realtime: just make sure to turn off the more annoying time-wasters when doing complex stuff. <BrendanT> Could i make a separate user to log into when i want to do 'complex stuff' that didnt run the time-wasters or do they all start up no matter what? <persia> You might be able to create a separate user, and turn off some of the indicator stuff. <persia> But I'm not convinced you can turn off Network Manager except on a system-wide basis. <BrendanT> hmm <persia> Not processing mail, not running gwibber, etc. is easy. <persia> But really, don't worry about it. Install the stuff you want and play. <persia> If you end up discovering that this one effect you really want isn't happening because you don't have the resources, start looking at how you can conserve resources. <BrendanT> Ok. so just install the ubuntustudio-audio package? <persia> That will get you the standard set of audio tools. <persia> You might also want ubuntustudio-audio-plugins <persia> If your menu is getting too cluttered, ubuntustudio-menu might help some. <BrendanT> hm it appears to be a link to a bunch of other packages already available in the normal ubuntu <persia> We call it a "metapackage", but yes, that's what it is. <BrendanT> so ubuntu studio is just a different assortment of packages? rather than new features? <persia> Ubuntu Studio is just a flavour of Ubuntu, much like Ubuntu Desktop. A selection of some of the packages in Ubuntu that some folk try to make sure work together. <BrendanT> ok i thought there might have been later versions of jack, alsa and things like that because i notice some apps can be very old in the repositories <persia> No, it's all the same thing. <BrendanT> I'd like to be able to play music through banshee at the same time as i have say, ardour, using jack but jack seems to cut off anything else from playing. <persia> There's been some changes in direction, so this release wasn't as focused as some of the past ones. We've a new track now, and an increasingly clear target for 11.04 <persia> You can install pulseaudio-jack, or you can use two different sound cards. <BrendanT> but all changes you did would still be packaged for the normal ubuntu? <persia> Absolutely. That's the point. <BrendanT> pulseaudio-module-jack ? <BrendanT> There is no pulseaudio-jack package <persia> Yes, that's one of the ways you can make pulse and jack work together. <persia> Sorry: my mistake. <BrendanT> im using alsa i believe <persia> Personally, I really recommend the two-cards solution. <persia> Banshee is using ALSA directly, without pulse? That's not default. <BrendanT> oh i thought it was, i dont know <BrendanT> whats the difference between pulseaudio and alsa? <BrendanT> also, i dont have 2 sound cards unless someone makes a driver for my fasttrack ultra <persia> USB headphones are increasingly inexpensive, but yeah, good drivers would be better. <persia> pulse and ALSA are different layers. <persia> pulse is a software mixing daemon that lets applications play stuff and then gets it to the right sound cards, resampling or mixing as needed. <persia> ALSA is both a userspace library and a set of drivers that provide a unified interface to many sorts of sound cards. <BrendanT> where could i go to throw a wad of cash towards anyone willing to make the driver for it? <persia> most applications talk to pulse (directly, through ALSA compat layer, or through OSS compat layer), or to JACK. pulse and JACK can talk to audio interfaces (including ALSA interfaces, FFADO interfaces, BlueZ interfaces, etc.). <persia> You can't really. There's a couple groups of folk that will do it for free if someone provides specifications. <persia> You could definitely hire folk (and there are folk that are available for hire) to work on it, if you had specifications and the free places took too long. <persia> But before you can get anywhere, you need specifications. M-Audio tends to be good about Linux support, so if there isn't any, someone else probably owns some part of the device and won't share. <persia> I'd recommend talking to M-Audio first, and trying to understand the situation. If it looks like it just needs developer-time, then you probably want to hire an ALSA engineer. Talking to the ALSA folk could probably get you recommendations to a good forum to hire such a person. <BrendanT> damn seems like a big job <persia> The hard part is usually tracking down why there isn't a driver: lots of coordination, and careful friendly work with hardware companies. <persia> Once you know why, if it's fixable, that part is usually easy. <persia> But some stuff isn't fixable, unfortunately (like patents on stuff by companies now out of business, with the patent farm owned by a known litigious firm, and the company making stuff using a grandfathered license, etc.) <BrendanT> Well M-Audio certainly aren't out of business. <persia> No, but they have been around for a while, and absorbed MidiMan years back, etc. It's hard to know what components are in their hardware, or if the companies that make those components have changed, etc. <persia> Anyway, go ask them. If you start with the assumption that they would be happy to grant you drivers, and you make clear that you aren't asking them to do the development, just trying to understand the legal restrictions, you have a decent chance. <BrendanT> It'd be very difficult for me to ask it as I'm terrible at writing emails and such and dont understand very well what im even asking for, but ill try. should i email them or make a thread on their forum asking people if a driver could be made and say that im a linux user and cannot use the device with a driver etc... <persia> And maybe say that you're willing to hire a kernel developer, but are seeking documentation *OR* an explanation why the documentation can't be distributed. <BrendanT> hiring a developer is probably a bit much, wouldnt it cost alot? <persia> Depends on the developer :) Like I said before, if you have docs, there are some developers who are happy to write drivers in exchange for a device. <persia> Mind you, you might not want to do this for a high-end digital mixing console :) <BrendanT> http://www.64studio.com/node/699 <BrendanT> I think alot of other people have probably already tried <BrendanT> I might have to sell it for something. Do you know any similar device that works on linux? <persia> It's a 4x8 USB interface? <BrendanT> 8x8 apparently <persia> I don't happen to know of such a thing offhand. My biggest is 4x6. I'd have to refer to alsa-project.org as the best source of information. <BrendanT> what do those numbers mean? <persia> You'll likely get best support if you find something with "class-complaint" USB drivers. <persia> inputs/outputs <BrendanT> ahk figured. apparently my device is 'compliant' i think but becuase its a bit fancy it doesnt quite work <BrendanT> http://www.musicador.com/uploads/2007/12/m-audio-fast-track-ultra_front-rear.jpg <persia> Hrm? If it's "fancy" or requires "special" drivers, it's not "class-compliant" <ScottL> BrendanT, there are many knowledgeable people, with quite a varied background, on #opensourcemusicians, that would be a good place to ask about a similar audio interface that works on linux as well <persia> "Class-compliant" has a special meaning for USB devices: it means that the HW works with the base class specification in the USB docs, so no special drivers are required. <ScottL> BrendanT, if you don't mind opening your computer you could get an m-audio delta44 or delta66 (this will also give you reduced latency due to the PCI card connection) <BrendanT> ok nvm only the fast track pro is listed, not ultra. still there is only a few people in the world that have gotten the pro version to work because it needs a patch from alsa to work, thats what i read anyway <BrendanT> im on a laptop <persia> If you can find out which patch, it might be sortable. <ScottL> right, how about a firewire card? i believe those to be better supported <ScottL> but i agree with persia, you can try the patch first for the hardware you already have <BrendanT> na i've read heaps about it and it seams that nobody can get it to work so wont bother with that dead end road. #ubuntustudio 2010-10-11 <zth> yo, when's ubu-studio 10.10 due? <Mocchi> I've also been waiting its release since last night but never heard... <zth> was it supposed to be released last night? <Mocchi> we can download the dvd iso image from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/10.10/release/ <Mocchi> but there is no notification at official website or mailinglist or IRC channel... <Mocchi> and i cannot find release note... <lau1> probably wise to wait a bit <zth> i tried upgrading 10.04->10.10 using update-manager -d... but it says it wants to remove my jackd and not install it again <zth> and some other audioapps <zth> so.. is there a way i can do this without messing that up? <Mocchi> i think it due to the different version of jackd. in marveric the default version of jackd is 2, not 1. jackd1 is the default till lucid. <Mocchi> so the manager said jackd1 related packages should be removed. <Mocchi> so you can follow the notification of manager and after upgrading reinstall the needed packages. <zth> hmms ok <zth> i will try <Mocchi> But there are the lack of packages you need in marveric repository, i think. <zth> oh? <Mocchi> now i write with marveric machine so i can search the packages which you mainly work on. <Mocchi> I hope not so much :-D <Mocchi> oh earthquake! i'm from japan :P <astraljava> Maverick, Mocchi, not marveric. :D <Mocchi> oh, i often mistype this as marveric. marverick is correct. <astraljava> Heheh, still not correct. No 'r' between 'a' and 'v'. Maverick. <Mocchi> mummm, maveric is really correct! <astraljava> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/maverick <astraljava> oh wait <Mocchi> i know its meaning but misunderstood its spelling... thx <astraljava> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/ReleaseNotes <astraljava> Sorry, there. :) <astraljava> Yeah, apologies for being pedantic. Can't help it. :D <Mocchi> anyway thanks, astraljava! today i make some document in ubuntu japanese community and i think all of them includes this misspelling. terrible!!! <astraljava> Heheh. :) No worries, people still know what it means. Not that big a deal. :) <AegNuddel> Ok, I have an ISO of Ubuntu Studio. I am trying to write it to USB, but when it gets to the end, the program refuses to finish. <AegNuddel> Does anyone know why this would happen? <yan_circus> bonjour, je viens d'installer ubuntustudio 10.04 32bit sur un dell mais impossible de voir l'aplet de la connection wifi ;) mÃªme aprÃ¨s avoir installer network-manager. <yan_circus> c'est la premiÃ¨re fois que j'essaye ubuntu studio d'habitude j'utilise ubuntu. je me sens un peu perdu ;( <holstein> AegNuddel: hey <holstein> i would probably just use the vanilla live iso <holstein> and convert it to ubuntustudio afterward <holstein> !vanilla <ubottu> To install Ubuntu Studio on top of a vanilla Ubuntu install, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation <holstein> im not sure why you would be having that issue <holstein> unless its something to do with where grub wants to be written <holstein> and the alternate installer <holstein> yan_circus: you might have to go to #ubuntu-fr <holstein> and explain the network manager that ubuntustudio is using <holstein> OR install the gnome network manager * holstein gotta run <holstein> bbl... <yan_circus> I installed network-manager but I still have nothing on the taskbar <yan_circus> no wifi icon <yan_circus> bon je pense que le probleme vient du driver wifi je vais creuser dans ce sens <ubuntnewb> I installed ubuntu studio 10.04 and updated it and then the computer would not boot; stuck at initramfs; please advise <holstein> ubuntnewb: what error message are you getting? <holstein> if you have an nvidia graphics card, i have a theory ;) <ubuntnewb> ok, I am sorry; i reinstalled with ubuntu 10.04 desktop and I am not havng any problem; but I think the message asked me about which device held the root? I am new to this and I should have taken better note of the error <ubuntnewb> my graphic card is integrated to the motherboard; I believe it is ATI because the mobo is a gigabyte <holstein> nah <holstein> in that case <holstein> i think grub was the issue <holstein> check out <holstein> !grub2 <ubottu> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Ubuntu 9.10. For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 <ubuntnewb> thank you <holstein> should be some entries about recovering grub <holstein> for next time :) <holstein> OH <holstein> and check out <holstein> !vanilla <ubottu> To install Ubuntu Studio on top of a vanilla Ubuntu install, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation <holstein> for converting that normal ubuntu install into ubuntustudio <holstein> OR just adding some of the software <ubuntnewb> is there an open source (free) imaging software (i.e. ghost) that I can use to image my linux installation? <holstein> AH <holstein> let me think <holstein> i used to use clonezilla <holstein> but there are others that are more ghost like <holstein> http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/?p=2649 <holstein> i think ^^ is what i was thinking of <ubuntnewb> thank you, all for now #ubuntustudio 2010-10-13 <dhevil> ubuntu studio hangs on hd video playback. 2gb ram amd 64 bit. nvidia geforce 8599 1 gb. ideas? <dhevil> well hangs even on youtube full screen. thought it was evil flash <zth> hello <zth> anyone upgraded yet? <dhevil> ok. ubuntu studio keeps crashing on decent Amd 64 bit: 2 gb ram: nvidia geforce 8500 1 gb ram <holstein> dhevil: not sure <holstein> i think the nvidia hardware is a good place to start though <holstein> maybe search launchpad for that specific card and see what you find <dhevil> well migrating from opensuse gnome desktop. It never crashed. * holstein is going to stay on 10.04 zth <dhevil> ok will check. thanks <holstein> dhevil: what driver did you use? <holstein> in SUSE ? <dhevil> nvidia current propreity driver <holstein> you might want to look at your old xorg.conf <holstein> from suse <holstein> see if there is anything specific <zth> holstein, i'm retarded so i upgraded before i checked out the real issues.... is there a way to downgrade? <holstein> ...BBL... <dhevil> hmmm. well suse is gone. wiped out. :) <dhevil> nvidia driver settings look similar i think... <zth> what's the default kernel in ubu 10.10?
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