#ubuntu-artwork 2006-05-01 <rob> hi guys, anyone around? <rob> no? <AviF> hello <rob> dang <klepas> moin <rob> hi klepas <rob> did mdke get in contact with you guys regarding the book covers? <klepas> no <klepas> should he have? <rob> I think he might have emailed your mailing list? <klepas> oh <klepas> i haven't had access to the mailing lists for about 8 days <klepas> i'm away from home and away from that email address I use for that account <rob> oh, well I just posted something similar on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=166133 <klepas> chance you have the mailing list archives link incase mdke wrote something on that> <rob> I'll take a look <klepas> btw <klepas> very cool <klepas> i'd be happy to do those covers <rob> one of our guys has been playing around and produced something ok, but we would really like to let the art team have a say <klepas> sure <klepas> chance i could have a look at the work so far? <rob> yes, hold on <klepas> if there is previous work i'd prefer to incorporate it/work from that in respect to the author <rob> http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu_Lulu_cover_draft_CQsize.png <klepas> chances are whoever did is on the right track already <klepas> mhh <klepas> interesting concept <klepas> i can work from that idea <klepas> with the fading logo <rob> cool :) <klepas> what is your deadline? <klepas> btw <klepas> let's move over to ubuntu-doc for this <rob> ok <Madpilot> ah, there is an -artwork channel... <klepas> there sure is <klepas> whether it is active or not is an entirely different paradox... <klepas> ;) <klepas> Madpilot: how can we help you? <klepas> be back later today <lapo> hi #ubuntu-artwork 2006-05-02 <klepas> moin <lapo> hi #ubuntu-artwork 2006-05-03 <{alejandro}> hey a query <klepas> moin <lapo> hi <lapo> hi #ubuntu-artwork 2006-05-04 <ertz> hello ubuntu people :) <ertz> heh... two of my favorite icon designers are here... too bad there's not much activity today :P #ubuntu-artwork 2006-05-05 <ertz> hello here <klepas> 'ello <ertz> klepas: how's it going? :) <klepas> it be going good <klepas> and yourself? <ertz> i'm doing fine :) ... doing lots of changes in an icon set :) <klepas> tango or tangerine? <klepas> :) <ertz> none :) one of my own <ertz> Dropline Neu <ertz> I wouldn't like to spoil Tango nor tangerine :P hehe <klepas> ertz: oh, sorry. <klepas> wasn't aware you're the author of that :) <ertz> klepas: hehe... no problem :) <ertz> I'm no great icon designer anyway :p <klepas> cheers to you :) <klepas> you definitely have a lot of skills :) <ertz> well, thanks :) <ertz> I'm still learning ... basic stuff, hehe... <ertz> mostly thanks to Tango Project's guidelines... <klepas> ertz: :o) <ertz> klepas: yes? :) <klepas> oh, i mean i agree <klepas> tango is great <ertz> ahh <ertz> hhehe... <ertz> yeah, it's awesome... best icon set ever <ertz> I bet jimmac heard the same thing a millon times :P <ertz> hmmm... never thought it would be so time consuming to resize icons... <ertz> anyone knows any method to resize SVGs while keeping vectors aligned to a pixel grid? #ubuntu-artwork 2006-05-06 <ertz> hello... <andreasn> hey <ertz> andreasn: how goes it? <andreasn> fixing bugs in tangerine <ertz> ehh... bugs like in software? or aligning vectors to a pixel grid and stuff like that? <andreasn> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/tangerine-icon-theme/+bugs <andreasn> all kinds of stuff <andreasn> what are you up to then? <ertz> well... I actually joined this channel to make socials :) I'm currently working in Dropline Neu icon set... making a huge update (kind of a major re design) :) <ertz> I like hearing about ubuntu's art development :) <andreasn> dropline neu? is there a url where I can see it+ <andreasn> ? <ertz> sure, at my site: http://www.silvestre.com.ar/ <ertz> use this one to filter only icons: http://www.silvestre.com.ar/?cat=2 <ertz> as you can see I've been quite inspired by Tango lately :P <andreasn> wow, cool stuff * andreasn bookmarks <ertz> :) thanks andreasn <andreasn> whups, time for bed <andreasn> come and say hi in #tango some day <ertz> nite andreasn :) <andreasn> night <ertz> sure thing :) <ertz> hey AndyFitz :) <AndyFitz> heya ertz <ertz> how's it going? <AndyFitz> great, you hear rsvg now supports external styles and relative linked !entities ? <ertz> nope, I haven't... I've been quite disconnected from mailing lists and stuff like that :) <ertz> I'm a bad icon "developer" :p <AndyFitz> lol its okay, only recent news and only exciting to geeks who have wanted it for years now <AndyFitz> in the past year, rsvg has changed its meaning from 'ruthless scalable vector graphics . to 'rocking SVG' <ertz> hehe... I guess it is exciting... problem is I don't even know what those features are... :\ * ertz is a bad, bad icon developer :P <AndyFitz> means we can do stuff like tis http://andy.brisgeek.com/files/screen.png at different sizes and different styles all from the one svg illustration <AndyFitz> http://andy.brisgeek.com/files/duck.png and so on ... <ertz> wow... that sure is something to be excited about... :D <ertz> i'm getting excited myself :P <AndyFitz> id only just figured out I could get that functionality happening with entities , but they had to have fixed paths, meaing making different sized 1px outline icons was an issue <AndyFitz> now we can do it all <AndyFitz> master gradient definitions, filters and cc data is held in external files and linked in on execution of the svg ;-) <AndyFitz> as well as those external stylesheets <AndyFitz> http://andy.brisgeek.com/files/css.css = tango in css <ertz> that's just awesome :) <ertz> I'll have to redisign everything! <ertz> ahaha <ertz> well... I have to go now... but will certainly be back later :) <AndyFitz> no worries mate. have a good time <ertz> thanks... :) <ertz> you too <ertz> back again :p <ertz> AndyFitz: you seem to be the right one to ask... do you know of a way to resize a SVG up to 128x128? maybe using ImageMagick or something? <AndyFitz> lol you can't do it with imagemagick, <AndyFitz> you can export the svg as a png from inkscape at 128x128 or within inkscape you can change the document size, group all shapes and apply a transform matrix <ertz> hehe... i thought it could handle some SVG stuff :P <ertz> yeah, I supposed I was going to have to do it manually... I was hoping to write some script to save my life or something :P <AndyFitz> you can with scripts <ertz> rsvg -w 128 -h 128 ? <AndyFitz> its tricky for me but very possile with a perl script <ertz> or something like that? <AndyFitz> not rsvg, that won't give you an svg file <AndyFitz> it will display it at that for you tho <ertz> nono... actually I want the PNG only :p <AndyFitz> oh then rsvg or inkscape can do that easy peast <AndyFitz> easy as anything <ertz> i was thinking about first resizing the SVG... <ertz> but i think rsvg can do the job then :) <ertz> I usually do all this stuff manually... but i've been getting lazy these days <AndyFitz> inkscape --export-png=filename.png --export-width=128 --export-height=128 <AndyFitz> oh wait <ertz> and where should I enter the input file? <AndyFitz> you need --file=filename.svg <ertz> ahhh <ertz> :D <ertz> thanks a lot Andy :) <ertz> you've been like an open book for me today :D <AndyFitz> -z to make sure you don't get a gui tho I don't think you need it if issuing from cli <ertz> is good to have people like you arround :p <ertz> :D rsvg -h 128 -w 128 <file>.svg <file>.png also works like a charm <AndyFitz> cool <AndyFitz> rsvg is a great :) dom is a champ... <AndyFitz> batik is the best but only runs on non free java <AndyFitz> and inkscape is the best illustration program of all time naturally ;-) <ertz> I have to agree with that :) <ertz> at least is the best for icons :) <ertz> oh... I've been wondering some time ago... what ever happened with Etiquette? did you released something not so long ago? <ertz> maybe I've been looking in the wrong place... <AndyFitz> some stuff got release a while ago. but I'm as unorganised as anything. now that my long awaited external styles have been implemented you can expect something soon ( like a month or two ) <AndyFitz> one month I reckon but two incase I'm dodgy like always <AndyFitz> anyway its alll just play ;-) <AndyFitz> I gotta rock off <ertz> good to hear that :) ... <ertz> Ok :) <AndyFitz> buddah fesitval all this week finishing next weekend :) <ertz> is that some sort of rave? <AndyFitz> no its buddah's birthday <AndyFitz> I think <AndyFitz> I'm going down to see what all the fuss is about ;-) <ertz> hehe... Ok, have fun <AndyFitz> ciao <Lormor> hi, I just joined ... Can someone explain me what you have to do when you joined artwork ? <ertz> hello, <andreasn> hi ertz <ertz> hi andreasn :) how goes it? <andreasn> did a disk-admin icon today, hope to have the whole System > Administration in the right style soon <ertz> nice :) <andreasn> have you done any nice app-icons in tango-style? <andreasn> would be nice to have them in tangerine <andreasn> come join the fun in #tango btw <ertz> well, "Yasis" is kinda like tango... I would only need to use Tango's color pallete to adapt some of them :) <andreasn> didn't you do another theme aswell? <ertz> I made: Dropline Neu, Dropline Nuovo, Yasis and Gion... <andreasn> Gion is nice <ertz> I also did an Etiquette mod... :) but that's mostly Andy's work <ertz> Thanks :) <ertz> Gion is the most polished I'd say..... #ubuntu-artwork 2006-05-07 <lapo> hi #ubuntu-artwork 2006-05-08 <klepas> g'evening <lapo> hi klepas <lapo> hi <artnay> hey lapo <lapo> hi artnay <artnay> for once I have ubuntu running... tangerine is just fine with ubuntu theme, thanks <artnay> ,9 <artnay> actually I'm just installing ubuntu on this computer <artnay> espresso (or what the hell is the new name of it) is still quite buggy, have to edit fstab manually <lapo> thanks, happy you like it <artnay> you know, I haven't had a computer for like 4 months or so... :) <artnay> finally got my new motherboard and psu <artnay> anyways, how's tangerine going? <lapo> back in the business then :-) <artnay> apt-cache told me it's going on 0.9.xx <artnay> have you guys had a lot of input with it or what? <artnay> many people contributing etc. <lapo> andreasn is the boss, btw I think folder-remote-* stuff should be in the next version, right? <andreasn> yep, put those in today <lapo> yes a nice amount of contribution, nothing really usable for various reason yet, but it's a good start <artnay> well I downloaded beta2 since that had a nice amount of seeders <artnay> as soon as espresso gets its job done, I'll update and thank you guys once again ;) <artnay> umh, background reminds me of... OS X? is that done by the artist hired by canonical? <andreasn> what background? <lapo> I don't know who is the author of that one <artnay> lapo: I see lots of your icons on the screen, job well done <artnay> andreasn: default in beta2 <andreasn> perhaps the iconfactory guy <artnay> so how's communication with canonical? <artnay> I mean, I remember the artwork weekend <artnay> people in london <andreasn> I'm chatting with dholbach mostly <andreasn> and people on the ubuntu-art list <andreasn> but that is about how involved I am <artnay> ok, so artwork is still being done sort of behind closed doors then <lapo> yep :-/ <artnay> you know, I had this funny marketing idea <andreasn> well, a bunch of icons are done by a hired guy <artnay> a way to earn some extra money for canonical, tell me what you think of it <andreasn> and then we redo that stuff, but adhering to the tango style guidelines <artnay> shipit sends the CDs for free, but it can (to be precise, it took back in breezy) several months to get CDs delivered <artnay> and then there's this ubuntushop which sells all of kind of ubuntu stuff (stickers, shirts etc.) <artnay> and if take a look at ubuntuforums, you'll see there's lots of people interested in to buy some ubuntu stickers or whatever <artnay> but the postal fee is usually higher than the actually cost of a sticker/shirt/mug <artnay> and as we all know of it, there's lots of people interested in supporting ubuntu (or donating) a way or another <artnay> umh, are you still following? I guess I'm a bit drunk but nevermind with that stuff :) <artnay> anyways, canonical could lessen their shipit costs by sending via shipit CDs and some fun stuff <artnay> I mean, you'll see all those ubuntu CDs on ebay etc. <artnay> and if you bought something from ubuntushop (and simultaneosly ordering something), you'd get some donating euros to launchpad projects <artnay> like "You bought a t-shirt on %date. By doing that, you earned a percentage of the t-shirt to be donated to launchpad project(s)" #ubuntu-artwork 2006-05-09 <artnay> that's a win-win situtation I think <andreasn> whups <andreasn> time for bed <artnay> canonical could still send free CDs via shipit (a sort of not getting evil :>), but they could still sends CDs via ubuntushop a) faster, without a queue to ubuntushop customers b) earn some extra money for launchpad projects decided by the customers c) lessen the postal fees <artnay> andreasn: have a good one then ;) <artnay> that wouldn't hurt canonical's/ubuntu's image as being free, but it could still make a few extra euros <artnay> umh, taking advantage of their community... well at least I'd go for that <artnay> anybody? <artnay> fcuk, espresso is still stuck on 15 % and I already rebooted the machine. I guess it still has some serious bugs (time to file a bug report) <TuxthePenguin> hi all <scoutboy2008> this is a pretty quiet channel isn't it <scoutboy2008> about how long does it take for a submitted background to be cleared? <scoutboy2008> /channel <jak08> hello <lapo> ni #ubuntu-artwork 2006-05-10 <jak08> about how long does it take for a bacground to be approved? <lapo> hi <gepatino> hi, is this the right place to make a suggestion on icons? <lapo> maybe :-) <lapo> gepatino: tangerine? <gepatino> yea <gepatino> sorry for the delay <lapo> gepatino: no problem, shot the suggestion :-) <gepatino> lapo, have you seen the little icon for network-monitor? <lapo> if you have to rant it is probably my fault :-) <gepatino> :) <gepatino> the one that shows two monitors conected? <lapo> it uses my network workgroup icon <gepatino> i think it could be more clear if these little monitors show full plain colors while transfering data <lapo> I'm thinking about doing a specific icon for that one I don't see network-workgroup good for it <gepatino> like in breezy, when transmiting, the screens get pale blue <gepatino> ok <lapo> gepatino: we could use network-transmit istead of network-workgroup <gepatino> or maybe one screen in red and the other in green (or wathever two color you think appropiate) to whow uploads and downloads. <lapo> gepatino: this is not something we can change thos you should open a bug against the appication <gepatino> lapo, sorry, haven't see that one <gepatino> lapo, but, is it a bug? I mean is not that bad to have the icon we have now <gepatino> lapo, just a suggestion <lapo> It's a bug :-) <gepatino> ok... so it'll be reported <gepatino> thanks <lapo> thanks for reporting! :-) <gepatino> you're doing a great job, artwork in dapper is just beatifull <gepatino> have a nice weekend! <lapo> ciao <ertz> hello.. #ubuntu-artwork 2006-05-11 <lapo> hi <jak08> does anybody know about how long it takes a background to be approved? <klepas> on art.ubuntu.com? <jak08> yes <klepas> auc has somewhat fallen to disuse <klepas> because of some of the cms problems <klepas> art team was hoping to get some of the things fixed or maybe used a different cms but nothing has happened <jak08> ok <klepas> i have admin rights <klepas> i can have a look if you wish <jak08> ok thank you <klepas> but that is one of the problems, adding content is a pain <jak08> oh <klepas> we need to download the file, check it, resize it for the various sizes, manually create thumbnails and then manually upload them via sftp <jak08> i noticed that it might be a little complicated when i noticed that it was hand inspeced and downloaded <jak08> i accedentally posted mine twice because i put it in and hadn't signed in yet so i signed in and it took me to a new screen thinking it had redericted me back to the start so i did it again only to find out it had sent the first time <klepas> that's fine <jak08> ok <klepas> we're hoping some day to either get the problems fixed or use a different cms to handle the content <jak08> and if you are wondering I took the orriginal picture before i edited it <klepas> because frankly adding things manually is cumbersome and very time consuming when you've got ten or so submissions <jak08> I see <jak08> i can imagin <jak08> it was difficult to get my files uploaded so i used Google page creator because i don't think it has a maximum file stipulation, but then it went and converted my png to jpg <klepas> :) <klepas> i'll have a look at it later on <jak08> do you want me to give you a link to the place it is hosted? <jak08> just so i can get an opinion <jak08> http://scoutboy2008.googlepages.com/ubuntuwisemen1280x1024.jpg <klepas> cool <klepas> there are a lot of contrasting colours in that <klepas> i'd polish it a bit <klepas> :) <jak08> i planned on it, that was the first version of it and i got excited so i posted it up. <klepas> :) <jak08> that ball took a lot of time, it started black, after I was done with that i felt like celebrating <lapo> hi #ubuntu-artwork 2006-05-12 <doctormo> hello al <lapo> hi <Omeg> Hey guys <Omeg> The wiki is confusing. I've got a mockup for a future usplash screen that I want to explain somewhere, but I don't know where I would put it. <Omeg> I already sent it to the developers but they said that even if there would be consensus to make the change to my mock-up, it's much too late for Dapper... so I'd like to make a page for it so people can comment on it and possibly vote for its inclusion in Edgy. <lapo> Omeg: what do you mean by confusing, what do you wnat to do exactly? <artnay> isn't /Artwork sort of dead already? try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Usplash/Artwork <artnay> lapo: by confusing I'd say that artwork is really separated in wiki <lapo> yep that's true, some reorganization there would be nice <artnay> any of you have human as SVGs? <lapo> artnay: I don't think they provided any svgs <artnay> too bad <lapo> use tangerine :-) <artnay> I am, but I'd like to play with human as well <Omeg> Just that I can't clearly see where I need to post my stuff. <Omeg> On Wikipedia, for example, it's not hard to decipher what a Wikiproject is or how to work for it. <Omeg> Also, the usplash page says that 14 colors are required. But in reality, there are 16 colors (it's just that two of those are reserved for the "ok" and "fail" messages). Or isn't that so? <lapo> it is <Omeg> Isn't it so that the usplash artwork needs to be 640x400 as this is the default resolution for most computers? That's what I've been told at #ubuntu-devel. <Omeg> Or does the development team make such adjustments? <artnay> mjg told me that it has to be 640x400 <Omeg> Yeah, it does. <artnay> I've seen 640x480 mentioned somewhere on the wiki, but it's wrong <Omeg> Which is why, if you look at the screenshots at OSDIR, the splash page of the CD has a correctly scaled logo, and the usplash logo is squished vertically to about 80%. <Omeg> It looks bad, but it's necessary. <Omeg> But that's okay. It's easy to fix that. <artnay> Omeg: it seems that /Artwork has been forgotten or left unused for some reasons. as long as the main projects are done (remember when dapper artwork was announced?) outside it, the whole category is outdated, confusing and meaningless <doctormo> hmm <Omeg> I'm writing down my proposal so it can be linked to for Edgy. <Omeg> I wish that Ubuntu's wiki was a MediaWiki, personally. It seems more inituitive to me. <doctormo> I've never seen a resolution of 640x400 where did the other 80 pixels go <Omeg> Apparently, all systems start up with 640x400 and then stretch it to the full screen size. So that's why the logo in usplash is squished; the screen is stretched back to have it look correct again. At the cost of some lost pixels. <Omeg> Which is unfortunate. <Omeg> 640x400 is a standard resolution on most widescreen setups. <artnay> afaik, it's also a standard vga resolution <doctormo> VGA resolution is 640x480 <artnay> there's 640x350, 640x400, 640x480 etc. <artnay> IBM480 is the most common of those <lapo> In my opinion usplash cannot look good enough, using x as redhat/fedora does would be better solution <Omeg> usplash can look pretty good if you do it right. <Omeg> Good enough, anyway. <artnay> umh, my bad. IBM400 doesn't seem to be a standard vga resolution, according to wikipedia <artnay> time to refresh memory <lapo> the resolution is too low, and you have too few colore <lapo> colors <doctormo> lapo: all you need is a program that uses the bios int 21 calls, get it up to 1024x768 with that :-) <artnay> lapo: have you tried framebuffer, other resolutions? <artnay> usplash is ok with 1024x768 for example <artnay> just add vga=791 to bootline and see if your kernel/videocard supports it <lapo> yep 1024x768 should be cool, but it is not the default and who cares about changing it <artnay> if it does, add it to /boot/grub/menu.lst <lapo> yeah I know how to play with framebuffer <artnay> well it's a pity that usplash lacks a proper gui <lapo> btw I have nvidia cards on most of my machine, and I have to disable it <artnay> which would allow a) to change the theme b) resolution etc. <lapo> artnay: goodlooking and working defaults would be better than the possibility to change them imho <doctormo> lapo: nforce sucks <artnay> lapo: true, but I guess it's pretty difficult to get the needed information in order to setup usplash for maximum eyecandy <artnay> which leads to another issue... ;) <lapo> artnay: that's why I say the rh solution is better <doctormo> I thought you could create a number of splash screens ofdiffering resolutions and then let your boot program switch down further resolutions if they fail. <artnay> lapo: afaik suse and rh solutions are just another hacks to kernel and they won't even work on some older hardware <lapo> artnay: rh uses x server, so it works on every hw the x server can run <artnay> and canonical pretty much gives more value to older hw than great looking graphics <artnay> is this a new feature on fc5? haven't tried it yet <lapo> artnay: it is like this since rh8 I believe <artnay> that would require to the bootsequence to load X among the most important functions <artnay> 5.5 apollo was the last red hat I tried :) <lapo> hey it has cde :-) <artnay> really, I'm not an X hacker, but I bet mr. stone would love to use this techinique if it was a really working option <artnay> wmaker all the way <lapo> uhm...right that was 4.x series <lapo> they uses it since ages so I think it is a working solution <lapo> btw I'm not an hacker so lemme do icons :-) <artnay> umh, strange. I was just betting there must be an achilles' heel in that :) <artnay> you do your icons, I'll go catch some sun while it's shining. bye guys. <klepas> howdy folks <lapo> hey klepas <klepas> hey lapo <klepas> how's it going/ <lapo> fine thanks <Omeg> Hey guys. I was gone for a while but just took the time to finish that usplash proposal for Edgy. Available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Usplash/Artwork#preview <Omeg> If you have comments, please let me know about them (preferably there on the wiki). <lapo> nice <Omeg> Hmm... wiki seems to be a little slow. *stares at infinitely loading page while making a trivial change.* <lapo> ferrari rules! :-) <Omeg> Ferrari? <Omeg> The car or... something else? <lapo> f1, europe gp, 1st and 3rd <jenda> hello :) <andreasn> hi <jenda> I am from the Marketing team, and I'd like to ask if there are any volunteers among the art team to make us an Ubuntu Promotion poster <jenda> it can be simple, but has to be top notch, and biiig ;) <jenda> in .svg, so it's possible to change text easily. <andreasn> hm, I did some for the gnome marketing team <jenda> I'll post something on the forum, as soon as I have time to sketch it up... <jenda> (that is, ask for help there too - I myself am no artist :( ) <andreasn> http://live.gnome.org/MarketingTeam/MarketingMaterial <andreasn> what do you need it for, some special event? <andreasn> perhaps you can send a request to the ubuntu-art list <jenda> no special event, but simply great demand <jenda> I will ;) <jenda> people want to hang out posters at their school etc. <andreasn> I see <jenda> and the MT should supply them with all that... <andreasn> hm, something rather simple then, like a logo, some short text and a url <jenda> the text, we can do <jenda> and it would probably involve even a bit of a longer text... <jenda> I say BIG logo, so that people notice, then a few big pieces of text that'll make the person walk up close and read teh fine print. <jenda> I'd say logo and nice background gradient pretty much does the trick, perhaps a few frames for text? Can be added, I suppose.. <andreasn> if you are going to print them in a printing house, a gradient can be a bit tricky <andreasn> I had some problems with that when doing the gnome posters <andreasn> better fix some food, later! <jenda> hmm <jenda> well, it's not a must <jenda> BTW, I registered #ubuntu-art to forward here <maxco> hello, is someone could talk a little bit about ubuntu design ? <maxco> *could someone #ubuntu-artwork 2006-05-13 <ertz> hello!! <andreasn> hi ertz <ertz> hey andreasn :) how's it going? <andreasn> not much, about to go to bed, porting crystal to icon-naming-spec <ertz> nice... crystal is a good theme :) <ertz> andreasn: did you get a chance to see dropline neu icons? <ertz> hey AndyFitz <AndyFitz> g'day g'day ertz <ertz> how are ya? <AndyFitz> yeah doing well mate, hows things going here ? <ertz> pretty well... I was hoping to get some feedback on an icon set from an icon designer... would you mind to download and try an icon set i made? <andreasn> hey AndyFitz <AndyFitz> heya andreasn <AndyFitz> ertz sure thing <ertz> thanks :) ... you can find it at: http://www.silvestre.com.ar/?p=53 <ertz> there's a small screenie in there too <ertz> just in case you don't feel like downloading <AndyFitz> wow its looking good <ertz> thanks :D <AndyFitz> although the globe is of a different perspective <AndyFitz> downloading now <ertz> yeah, I fixed that one :) just haven't posted an update yet <ertz> BTW, there's part of your globe in there ;) <lapo_> nice icons ertz <ertz> thanks lapo_ :) <lapo_> do you cover all the naming specs standard base with those? <AndyFitz> the clean 22x22 versions are looking great ertz <ertz> lapo_: not fully covered yet :) but will do <ertz> thanks AndyFitz :) <AndyFitz> important, folder-open and the trash icons are my favorites <AndyFitz> priunter is funky too at that perspective <ertz> yeah.. i'll have a lot of problems when doing 16x16 of those icons that have this abuse of perspective :P <lapo_> that perspective is a bad best with the tools we have (inkscape) so congrats pal, really nice work <lapo_> beast <ertz> :D <AndyFitz> yeah perspective will have to distort for 16x16 I think. but if people are willing to change their rc settings to display only 22x22 icons they'll have a nice chunky but suave theme <ertz> yeah, but using 22x22 for stuff like "paste" looks kinda weird to me :) ... i think i'll have to do change the angle of the perspective for 16x16 <ertz> anyway, makes really happy you guys like it :) <lapo_> when you're done with them, jump on the tango bandwagon! :-) <ertz> sure thing lapo_ :) I've been thinking about contributing with some icons for the Tango Project <andreasn> ertz: if you feel like it, do some nice icons for the inkscape interface in tango-style <andreasn> night guys! <AndyFitz> night <lapo_> uhm...since I'm in his same time zone, better to go to bed as well (2.45 am) :-) <lapo_> 'night guys <ertz> AndyFitz: do you happen to know why the audio cd icon most (if not every) time doesn't show and instead shows a "generic" cd icon? <ertz> i have gnome-dev-cdrom-audio <ertz> but doesn't load it... <ertz> though it shows fine in some apps that use that icon <AndyFitz> ertz no I don't know. it bugs me too <AndyFitz> nautilus bug ? <AndyFitz> just re-did the inkscape logo ( not icon ) http://andy.brisgeek.com/files/inkscape.svg 2091 byte - optimised shape. plus specularity <lapo> hi #ubuntu-artwork 2006-05-14 <lapo> hi <lapo> hi #ubuntu-artwork 2006-05-15 <lapo> hi <Firebird8> hello <lapo> hi <andreasn> hey there Firebird8 <Firebird8> is tango gonna be the official theme? <Firebird8> i like the human theme <andreasn> for Ubuntu Dapper? <lapo> nope just a fallback <Firebird8> k <lapo> sadly :-) <Firebird8> i made an icon for the rythm box <lapo> tango style? <lapo> show <Firebird8> yea <Firebird8> one sec <andreasn> would have been nice to have a theme that went well with application icons and that works well with other distros <andreasn> but you can't get everything <Firebird8> mmm <andreasn> it's good that we got both tangerine and tango in main though <lapo> yep <Firebird8> http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/801/rythm4eb.png <Firebird8> lapo, http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/801/rythm4eb.png <andreasn> is that a hifi-box? <Firebird8> mmmm <Firebird8> no? <Firebird8> audio reciever <lapo> hi there <lapo> hi <omeg> Hi #ubuntu-artwork 2006-05-16 * #ubuntu-artwork [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup <lapo> hi * netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> zelazny.freenode.net * netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> zelazny.freenode.net #ubuntu-artwork 2006-05-17 <lapo> g'morning <PrimoTurbo> So little people here <andreasn> hm, yep <PrimoTurbo> So what's happening with the art work direction? <andreasn> I'm fixing bugs in tangerine mostly <jc-denton> y0 <jc-denton> http://phuturetech.info/tmp/Install%20Party.png <KaiL> ..hi all <KaiL> am I the only one, who dislikes the new usplash? <andreasn> KaiL: haven't seen it yet I'm afraid <KaiL> the border of the ubuntu-logo looks awefull (aliasing!), the "done" text is black on black, the normal text gray on black.... <KaiL> and the status bar is gray and becomes black (on black) <andreasn> hm <andreasn> I see <KaiL> the old didn't look THAT good, but this is really awefull #ubuntu-artwork 2006-05-18 <lapo> hi <Firebird8> omfg wth happened to the boot screen! #ubuntu-artwork 2006-05-19 <NRG88> anyone here? :) <tapox> Just me, after he told you it was in here. <NRG88> anyone who is in the arwork team? :) <lapo> hi NRG88 <NRG88> hi, you're in the artwork team? <NRG88> of dapper? <lapo> tangerine <NRG88> cool <NRG88> well, i nopticed the new usplash theme <NRG88> and i think many of ubuntu users did <lapo> I think it's not the final one, don't worry :-) <NRG88> there's even a topic in ubuntuforums saying it's ugly :) <NRG88> we found a nice looking theme <NRG88> it's very sleek: http://www.ffnn.nl/media/external/ubuntu/usplash/minimalistic-working-full.jpg <lapo> I think the bg have to be black <NRG88> why? <lapo> variuos reasons <lapo> btw I'm not involved in uspalsh sorry <NRG88> ok, thanks <Shirlz> Hello <andreasn> hey <Shirlz> Hows it going? <andreasn> I'm cleaning out my apartment and are planning to fix some tangerine-stuff tonight <Shirlz> lovely! <Shirlz> You maintain the tangerine pack then? <andreasn> yep <Shirlz> :) nice <Shirlz> www.pigginempire.co.uk/wordpress <Shirlz> some of my stuff. <andreasn> or rather, dholbach maintain it, but he merge all the stuff from me <Shirlz> Not fantastic, but not bad :) <Shirlz> *My graphics that is, not yours <andreasn> I like the 3tunes logo a lot <Shirlz> :) thanks <Shirlz> Does ubuntu use .ico, png or svg? <andreasn> png and svg <Shirlz> nice. <andreasn> in tango (and tangerine) we use png for the 16x16 and 22x22 sizes and svg for the scalable size (48x48) <Shirlz> I see.. <Shirlz> You made any other icons/icon packs? <andreasn> not really, did some graphics for freecraft back in the days when that project was active <andreasn> and some stuff for the gnome-icon-theme refresh <andreasn> in tango style <Shirlz> cool. <Shirlz> Is this channel usually so quiet? <andreasn> did the new icons for scribus and are working on some new ones for inkscape <andreasn> it's awfully quitet most of the time <andreasn> but there is lots of discussion on the ubuntu-art mailing list <Shirlz> i see.. <Shirlz> Do you do anything commercial, or just open source stuff? <andreasn> mostly free software-stuff <andreasn> but freelance work from time to time <Shirlz> yeah.. <Shirlz> Photoshopper? Illustrator? GIMPER? <andreasn> Inkscaper and gimper <andreasn> but I do some work in Illustrator, Indesign and Photoshop when the client wants me to <Shirlz> i see. #ubuntu-artwork 2006-05-20 <dizz1> silence is gold? <dizz1> so you think that the icons fo games should be redesigned <dizz1> ? <dizz1> right? <nysosym> yes i think :) <nysosym> games and multimedia <nysosym> too blurry <dizz1> your proposition! <dizz1> yes they are <nysosym> yes only mine :-/ <dizz1> have you seen this? <dizz1> http://daniel.holba.ch/ubuntu/ic/ <nysosym> also the graphic icon isn`t perfect <dizz1> i will ask you once more: can you design icons? <dizz1> graphics is awfull! <nysosym> dizz1, a little bit with Inkscape <dizz1> have you made something? <dizz1> as alternative? <nysosym> no, but other graphics for some webpages :D <dizz1> cool <nysosym> maybe ^^ <dizz1> are you going to submit new icons for games and sound&video? <dizz1> dont loose your time <dizz1> before someone does it for you <nysosym> maybe i doesn`t have much time for next weeks :( <dizz1> i think that the GNOME -ICONS are pretty cool <dizz1> but they are old <dizz1> they are recognizeable <nysosym> yes agree :) <nysosym> but the concept of the "Human" icons is really nice! :) <dizz1> yes, yes <dizz1> are we alone here? <nysosym> hmm i think, its toooooo silence :-/ <andreasn> hey <doctormo> I'm alive! <marcin_> hi guys <marcin_> I just upgraded to latest dapper and someone "solved" bug... <marcin_> thrash icon was too simmilar to battery icon... and now this "new" thrash icon is ohh sooo ugly... <marcin_> could someone please do with this again? <andreasn> in Human or in Tangerine? <marcin_> Human <andreasn> beond my control I'm afraid <marcin_> ohh and new 'internet' icon... it looks like an old 'andersen consulting' logo :( <andreasn> have you tried the tangerine theme, some people find that one rather nice <andreasn> ? <marcin_> yes I sometimes use this icon set.. but I also just like to take a look what's going on with default ubuntu look and feel <andreasn> I peek at human from time to time aswell <marcin_> and these changes are imho bad :( <marcin_> ( I like 'folders' icons in human - they are really nice) <andreasn> but as I'm in charge of the tangerine-stuff, I seldom use anything else #ubuntu-artwork 2006-05-21 <kwwii> hehe <kwwii> hi all <kwwii> can anyone tell me where the usplash ideas for dapper are? <kwwii> hi jimmac :-) <cas> Hi, Is someone here who's responsible for the icons in ubuntu? <cas> I just have updated the new set (dapper+1) but I think there went something wrong with the OO.o icons. The writer looks like impressions and Draw and Math don't fit in. <cas> sorry never mind, I just found the bugreport <cas> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-artwork/+bug/44934 if anyone got interested <jimmac> howdy kwwii <nysosym> hi all <nysosym> ? <nysosym> only silence inside? ^^ <kwwii> hi <nysosym> is only my "graphic" icon in gnome panel blurry or is this a regular "bug" ? <kwwii> sounds like a bug, perhaps it does not find the right size <nysosym> http://img327.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blurryicon3co.jpg << here my problem by "Grafik" <mdke> hi there <mdke> the yellow trashcan for tangerine is not good: it clashes with the orange in the workspace selector right next to it, and the orange in the bottom right of maximised windows, like browsers <mdke> any chance of an orange trashcan? <omeg> Wooh, progress on the wiki <andreasn> huh? <omeg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Usplash/DapperPropositions <omeg> People have been posting propositions for a new splash screen since Mark asked them to on the mailing list. <omeg> I also posted a few at the bottom (currently, as of this revision, they're at the bottom, by Michiel3) <omeg> I'm waiting for TroySobotka to stop editing so I can post some more. <kwwii> omeg: killer stuff you made <kwwii> erm....guess you did not make them <kwwii> ? <andreasn> hey kwwii <kwwii> howdy andreasn <omeg> kwwii: depends on which ones you mean? <omeg> Omeg == Michiel3 on the wiki. <kwwii> cool, then you did make them :-) <omeg> Maybe a little confusing. Maybe I should just try and change my nickname to "Msikma" everywhere... <omeg> Thanks :) <kwwii> the different nicks confused me <kwwii> are those pics in 16 colors already? <omeg> By the way, I think yours are really nice too, but it might benefit from being a little larger. That way, the bevel-like lighter color that you've given yours would look a little better (and would help the conversation to 16 colors, probably). <omeg> Yeah, they are. <kwwii> yes, you are right about the size <omeg> I had to manually tweak the palette a little to make sure the shadow gets less colors and the body a few more, due to the gradients, though. <kwwii> I made them bigger but scaled them down for some reason :-) <omeg> Did you make them in Inkscape? <kwwii> the glow comes over very well...better than in older ones I saw <kwwii> yepp <omeg> The older ones that you saw were probably already reduced in size to adhere to the screen stretching, that kind of kills the dithering if you don't do it from 16.7m colors to 16 colors. <omeg> I really need to get Inkscape. <omeg> I'm not sure if it will make me want to stop using Illustrator, though... <kwwii> hehe <kwwii> I like AI a lot too <kwwii> the interface is much better <kwwii> and some of the functions work simply better, like the gradient editor <omeg> Hmmm <omeg> The dithering on that last image is a little off on top of the logo <kwwii> yeah <andreasn> I more fond of inkscape than illustrator, as it works better when doing icons <kwwii> from what I gather the simple logo is a very popular alternativce <kwwii> andreasn: the icon preview function rocks <andreasn> I never made that work for me <omeg> By the way, how do you attach images in a wiki page? <omeg> I just link to my personal webspace at the moment. <kwwii> I load them to my webserver <kwwii> but it appears that an attachmet: tag is in it, not sure how that works <omeg> By the way, kwwii, I think you should post your mockups without the squishing that would make it ready for use in a real boot screen. Just so we can get a better view of how it will actually look. <kwwii> hehe, now that I look at the pics I submitted, I have to admit that I did use AI to make them <kwwii> omeg: yeah, I was thinking that too <omeg> Hmm... can't embed an aspect ratio in PNG images, right? <kwwii> nope <kwwii> and the ignorant gwenview in kde always smooths scaled pics <omeg> I'm thinking that I should keep a blog about ubuntu development. <omeg> There are usually interesting things being mentioned in the mailing lists. <omeg> It's something that could be worth writing about. Few screenshots of new cool stuff here and there. <omeg> Do you think people would like to read that? <kwwii> very true <kwwii> I know that I spent hours looking for info <kwwii> write a nice page on how to make usplash artwork and include the correct colormap info :-) <omeg> Yeah, I would. I think that it might be a cool idea. <omeg> I've never (seriously) blogged before, though, so I hope I won't get bored :) <kwwii> I am not much of a blogger either <andreasn> kwwii: do you know who the maintainer of the high-contrast theme for kde is? <omeg> Finally, I have a lock on the wikipage <andreasn> kwwii: as you are into kde-artwork a bit better than I am <kwwii> andreasn: hehe, you want to start a fight, don't you? <kwwii> lol <andreasn> what? <kwwii> andreasn: I guess the best person to ask would be either james richard tryer <kwwii> or the accesability peeps <andreasn> cool <kwwii> the schmidt brothers <andreasn> drawing some kind of todo-list for myself, so I thought I should check some stuff <andreasn> why would I start a fight? <kwwii> there is a bigger issue concerning the fact that I, as kde artwork maintainer, told James to take care of the low and hicolor stuff and most of his patches get reverted <kwwii> but it is the bigger issue about how one interprets the xdg spec and how much the kde devs want to implement it correctly <andreasn> the xdg icon spec, or the naming-spec? <andreasn> or theme-spec or whatever it's called <kwwii> the xdg icon spec (specifically the part about the hicolor dir) <kwwii> long story made short: do all default icons belong in hicolor or only 3rd party apps <andreasn> ah <kwwii> the spec is very specific at the beginning and then at the end adds a bit of artistic stuff which leads to different interpretations <andreasn> you mean "It is recommended that the icons installed in the hicolor theme look neutral, since it is a fallback theme that will be used in combination with some very different looking themes. But if you don't have any neutral icon, please install whatever icon you have in the hicolor theme so that all applications get at least some icon in all themes." <omeg> Man, I have so many plans for Edgy. <omeg> I just got into development, though I've been monitoring the mailing lists a little. <andreasn> yeah, that's a bit tricky to imprent <andreasn> as I understand it, what is in the naming-spec goes into the theme, the rest gets installed by the apps into hicolor <kwwii> andreasn: exactly, and the hard part for me to understand is how several desktops/default-icon-themes can all install icons into hicolor <andreasn> but that means we need the naming-spec to be really good <kwwii> yeah, if the naming spec could cover that it would be nice, but I am afraid that the naming spec will get too complicated <andreasn> complicated in what way? <kwwii> take this case for instance: how could more than one default theme install icons in the same dir? <kwwii> it will only work if there is only one default theme for all desktops/window managers <kwwii> and there are soooo many out there <andreasn> yeah, I see what you mean <kwwii> the naming spec would have to be able to sort that out...but I have no idea how <andreasn> me neither, it would be bad to put every app on earth in there <kwwii> the thing is this: in gnome, every kde app is a 3rd party app, and vice versa <andreasn> say that you get all the normal stuff covered by the naming-spec, then you would only have the app-icon looking out of place <andreasn> and if that is a issue, the distro could provide a package with icons that overrides those app-icons <kwwii> andreasn: I think you will be amazed at how many kde apps use different icons <kwwii> I mean, the amarok guys are making their own theme just for amarok #ubuntu-artwork 2006-05-22 <kwwii> and nobody can stop them (I tried) <andreasn> what? for play buttons and normal stuff? <kwwii> for everything <kwwii> well, everything in amarok <andreasn> aarrgh! <kwwii> lol <kwwii> oh, we even sent official mails asking them to stop and they said no <andreasn> what if I have problems with my eyes and need some high-contrast-stuff? <andreasn> does amarok-devs hate people with seeing disorder? <kwwii> well, if you change the theme, then it will still change <kwwii> basically they are adding another defualt for amarok before the rest of the kde icon stuff <kwwii> but somehow it changes when you change themes <andreasn> like with magic? <kwwii> dude, half of amarok is magic I think <andreasn> heh <kwwii> ever hear the story how they made the nifty wave motion for the eq when you start it? <kwwii> it was a bug <kwwii> so they kept it <andreasn> hahaha <andreasn> sounds like coding demo-scene demos to me <kwwii> yeah <kwwii> I am always amazed at how well it works <andreasn> have you tried sending off a mail to the xdg-list about the icon issue? someone over there must have a clue about how it should work <andreasn> because I'm really interested in the issue <kwwii> to be honest, since I stopped working for suse I have tried to stay away from conflict with my ex-colleagues <andreasn> do you think it would be a conflict? I mean, it's just a question how it's supposed to work <kwwii> oh, I am pretty sure it will be because it is an issue of tango and how that relates to the kde desktop in suse <andreasn> hm, ok <kwwii> all of my old friends are pretty much disliking their jobs now and simply want the easiest way out so they can do their job without a fight <kwwii> eventually I will <kwwii> when my stomach tells me to :-) <andreasn> :) <andreasn> interesting how much debate the whole issue has created <andreasn> it's just icons <kwwii> yeah, no shit <kwwii> I will go along with anything as long as we do not force anyone to use one kind of artwork or another <kwwii> :-) <andreasn> forcing stuff on people sound offencive <andreasn> but I agree <kwwii> hehe, see I just got another mail about this stuff <kwwii> the discussion will never end <andreasn> man, it would be really cool to have a free desktop artists meeting at some point <andreasn> meet some people in the community and stuff <kwwii> I really wanted to make it to the libre graphic meeting but simply coudn't <andreasn> yeah, I know <andreasn> it was nice <kwwii> I spend like two weeks a month away from home now <kwwii> and theoretically I do not even have a job <andreasn> kwwii: did you mean this - http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-kde/2006-May/0001.html ? <kwwii> lol <kwwii> never saw that before <kwwii> I was just kinda assuming it would be like that <kwwii> I does make me feel good though :-) <andreasn> crazy discussion <andreasn> why is that? <kwwii> not so crazy really <kwwii> well, I did all the artwork at suse for 7 years (ie. kde) <kwwii> and now I am gone <kwwii> and they can try to sell kde with gnome icons <kwwii> the whole point of this is to devalue kde and suse so the novell can sell gnome <kwwii> totally bullshit <kwwii> I had bosses telling me "we simply need to get rid of the suse customers so that we can sell novell linux" <kwwii> I wish them all the luck in the world, thanks be to god I do not have to whore myself <andreasn> with icons that are a mix of g-i-t and crystal, hm <kwwii> if they would at least do it 100% it would not be soo bad <kwwii> but if they do that they can simply remove kde as well <andreasn> you mean mixing the styles fully, or implenting the style fully? <kwwii> implement the style fully <kwwii> desktop choice in linux is still a religion <andreasn> yeah, I noticed <andreasn> I'm more like that I care little about the desktops, and more about the apps <kwwii> I just want things to look nice <kwwii> :-) <kwwii> and work well <andreasn> yeah <andreasn> well, I hope the whole toolkit-nazism sorts out some time in the future, but I'll probably have to wait a couple of more years for that ;) <andreasn> need to hit bed now <andreasn> been nice chatting to you <andreasn> night all! <kwwii> see you soon <kwwii> sleept well <andreasn> thanks <andreasn> you too <kwwii> ok...night all <kwwii> bis morgen * ..[topic/#ubuntu-artwork:omeg] : Ubuntu Artwork | What's going on? - Dapper usplash proposals: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Usplash/DapperPropositions <omeg> arrrgh <omeg> Just as I finish all my new propositions, someone posts that we must include sample text and OK/FAIL colors. <omeg> !@#$!@#$ <omeg> Well, major update from my part <omeg> Waiting for the page to save <omeg> Does Viper550 visit this channel under a different name? <omeg> Does anyone
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