#ubuntu-wiki 2012-06-01
 * hobgoblin will be on a massive wiki surge next week 
<hobgoblin> catch up time :)
<cortman> lol sounds good hobgoblin
<cortman> I'm starting to get the hang of moin moin
<hobgoblin> it's a bit of a learning curve - I'm still near the bottom :)
<cortman> It's just like learning any syntax or language I guess. Once you know it some it's easy lol.
<hobgoblin> yep
#ubuntu-wiki 2012-06-04
<hobgoblin> hello sary
<wildmanne39> hi cortman you around
<cortman> now i am wildmanne39
<wildmanne39> Hi cortman I was just going to ask if I can convert one of your threads on the import page but I started on another one
<cortman> oh ok
<cortman> which one wildmanne39, I might still let you. :)
<wildmanne39> How To: Manual Network Configuration without the need for Network Manager is looks like a hard one, I am going to be leaving town in the next day or two so it will have to wait until I get back now that I am working on another one
<cortman> Oh yeah
<cortman> Kevdog was going to look it over
<cortman> Since there already is one pretty similar in the wiki
 * cortman forgot to check for existing pages when added that one
<cortman> So I think that one is under control, I need to PM kevdog and ask how it went, he was going to look it over and add/clear up last weekend.
<wildmanne39> ok sounds good
<cortman> !topic
#ubuntu-wiki 2012-06-05
<hobgoblin> hey there cortman - good to see you :)
<cortman> likewise hobgoblin :)
<hobgoblin> the list of done wiki's get's longer and longer :)
<cortman> I noticed- very satisfied feeling! :)
<cortman> I think I might do another of Hannie's tonight or tomorrow if I have time.
<hobgoblin> I'm making a start on mine - but am string them out to keep me busy for a while
<hobgoblin> please don't do any of mine :)
<cortman> lol ok
<cortman> I should troll around for some more to add to the list. You and wildmanne39 sure are doing a good job of keeping the list populated.
<hobgoblin> ha ha ha
<hobgoblin> must ask wildmanne not to do any of mine :)
<hobgoblin> not that I'm 'wanting' to do loads - just keeping head/mind active
<john_barleycorn> That too- he's been working way like crazy- easily the most productive member on the team so far.
<hobgoblin> yep
<john_barleycorn> It's actually kind of fun once you get the hang of the procedure and the syntax.
<hobgoblin> yep
<hobgoblin> hi wildmanne39
<wildmanne39> hi hobgoblin
<wildmanne39> hi hobgoblin the way that I used blueprint yesterday to show that I was working on a thread to convert is that the way to show we are working on one so we do not duplicate?
<hobgoblin> I just added something to whiteboard - and you can see what I mean if you look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Pages%20For%20Import
<hobgoblin> I only go to blueprint when I want to change something or see a change through e-mail - by that time it was too late for me lol
<hobgoblin> wildmanne39: does that make sense?
<wildmanne39> so just show in progress on the import page? that is what I was going to do yesterday but then I remember being told to use blueprint so I was not sure
<hobgoblin> blueprint is more for things that we are doing team wise - kind of like somewhere we can chuck ideas for us to think about
<wildmanne39> okay got it
<hobgoblin> I think marking the import pages is nice and simple
<hobgoblin> evryone goes there :)
<wildmanne39> I agree
<cortman> Just putting your name by the thread you're going to work on?
<wildmanne39> I hope you were not working on that page I was going to ask but you were not on here yesterday, If you were I apologize
<hobgoblin> I just put in progress - so anyone could in effect mark any that are not done yet
<hobgoblin> wildmanne39: I had started :) but I stopped - no problem :)
<hobgoblin> and no need for apologies
<wildmanne39> that was close
<hobgoblin> this is how we find out if there is something that needs to be dealt with as a team
<wildmanne39> true
<wildmanne39> I am about to leave town later today or tomorrow, I will be gone several days but I hope to have wireless access part of the time
<hobgoblin> k :)
<hobgoblin> I need to talk to bodhi at some point about closing threads etc - there are going to be howls from OPS in my future I foresee :)
<cortman> lol
<wildmanne39> you got that right
<hobgoblin> I actually got a reply to one of my 'we want your thread for the wiki' PMs
<wildmanne39> that is when the real fun begins LOL
<hobgoblin> yea :)
<wildmanne39> Lately no one has replied
<cortman> I've gotten one or two
<cortman> But only from folks I knew were active on the forums
<hobgoblin> I got replies from some - others nothing - this one actually asked questions :)
<wildmanne39> I was going to work on one that was on the import page 2 days ago butt I found out that it was out date so I moved it to the rejected page
<wildmanne39> did he want to help
<hobgoblin> no - just was making sure that it would be closed on forum as he could see no point in it being n 2 places :)
<hobgoblin> so then as I said - don't say anything about this to bodhi_zazen - we don't want to upset him
<hobgoblin> :p
<cortman> haha +1 hobgoblin
<hobgoblin> wildmanne39: so that pretty good I think
<wildmanne39> hobgoblin, yes that is good
#ubuntu-wiki 2012-06-06
<cortman> Anyone know why only numbered lists seem to work on the Ubuntu wiki?
<cortman> I try making bullet point lists (using the asterisk) and it converts tehm all to numbers
<hobgoblin> nope - sorry
<cortman> you don't know or you know they don't work? :)
<hobgoblin> don't know - brb
#ubuntu-wiki 2012-06-08
<hobgoblin> hi hannie
<hannie> hey hobgoblin
<hobgoblin> I see you've all been busy bees :)
<hannie> are you in the goblin-mood today?
<hobgoblin> manual that is
<hannie> yes, coordinating editorial work
<hobgoblin> no - I has serious head on in this channel :)
<hobgoblin> lots of wiki's being created :)
<hannie> that is good news!
<hannie> I feel a bit guilty
<hobgoblin> I shouldn't :)
<hannie> I am also watching Roland Garros in between
<hobgoblin> wait till I start helping with the manual ... I'll be the one feeling guilty lol
<hobgoblin> I'm going to be helping with xubuntu docs as well
<hannie> ah, you use xubuntu yourself?
<hobgoblin> yep
<hobgoblin> which is why with the ubuntu manual I will be happy to proof read etc but not write - unity passed me by
<hannie> I have used kubuntu for a while. It is also a good environment
<hobgoblin> I don't like kubuntu/kde - no real idea why though - just doesn't do it for me I suppose
<hannie> I see, you do not use unity. I am really used to it now and I like it
<hannie> I only cannot use Unity 3d (just 2d, which is good enough)
<hobgoblin> nope - tried it 3 or 4 times - and gnome-shell - don't like either of them
<hannie> The Nvidia drivers do not work well with my geforce 5 series
<hobgoblin> no - I've seen that about the place
<hannie> the new feature HUD is not that great
<hannie> I have to try out everything before I translate or write
<hobgoblin> my 2 bugbears are that I have lots of things on space - unity does not like focus with mouse - can never get the right menu lol
<hannie> Do you use a laptop?
<hobgoblin> and I cannot abide enormous docks or panels - my xubuntu one is set at 20px's
<hobgoblin> no - desktop with 2 screens
<hannie> ah, multitasking
<hannie> what processor do you have?
<hannie> I have an Intel core i5
<hobgoblin> I'm using the emergency one at the moment - P4 - I killed my motherboard :(
<hannie> oh dear
<hobgoblin> which was a bit of a nightmare lol
<hannie> You will have to substitute it
<cortman> 20 px is pretty small
<cortman> But I guess elves have sharp eyes
<hannie> you bet
<hobgoblin> I'm seriously thinking of a finished wiki list - I eventually want any staff to come along to help with the closing of threads etc - a simple list with thread/wiki will make life easier
<hannie> I hope you have a little patience with me as far as working for forums2wiki is cencerned
<hobgoblin> I've got 19 to close and post the new discussion thread for
<hobgoblin> hannie: we know you are working on the manual
<cortman> lol work's cut out for the goblin
<hannie> you are doing great!
<hobgoblin> and regardless of that - we all have other things to do as well hannie :)
<hannie> ok, thanks. Back to work then. See you all
<hobgoblin> cya soon hannie :)
<cortman> so long hannie
#ubuntu-wiki 2012-06-11
<edutrul> Good morning !!
<edutrul> como voce estÃ¡?
<edutrul> eu estou bem !!!
#ubuntu-wiki 2012-06-13
<hobgoblin> hello ruffedgz
<ruffedgz> Hey
<hobgoblin> what brings you here?
<ruffedgz> I was messaged by 'Elfy' on the ubuntu forums about a thread I made about using LVM on a Ubuntu install and how it would be good to make into a wiki page: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1782296
<hobgoblin> aah - brb
<ruffedgz> no worries
<hobgoblin> that's me :)
<hobgoblin> just reading PM
<hobgoblin> nice one :)
<hobgoblin> If you want to do the thing then that is brilliant news - we have a tool that you can use
<hobgoblin> I thought I recognised your name :)
<hobgoblin> ruffedgz: the tool is here - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ForumWikiTeam/ImportTool
<hobgoblin> it's a script - if you want to do the deed then - go ahead - if you want some help then ask :)
<ruffedgz> sure thing. I am going to make some small changes to the forum post first then try out the conversion ;)
<hobgoblin> excellent :)
<hobgoblin> I copy the result across to the wiki team sandbox first so I can play before I make it a real wiki
<hobgoblin> so if you want to do that - just ping me and I'll show you were it is
<ruffedgz> awesome =D excited to help :D
<hobgoblin> I'm more than pleased someone wants to do their own :)
<hobgoblin> we've done a fair few so far
<cortman> +1
<ruffedgz> ok, was able to make the .wiki file and wouldn't mind seeing it in the sandbox area first then transfer it over to the live one using this help page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/PageCreation
<hobgoblin> ruffedgz: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ForumWikiTeam/Sandbox
<hobgoblin> edit that page - delete it all and paste in your's play with it
<hobgoblin> if you do not get time to finish - more actions - raw text - copy and paste that - just in case someone else comes along and removes your 'playing'
<hobgoblin> bodhi_zazen: ruffedgz came here to do their own tute to wiki convert :)
<hobgoblin> hi JonEdney wildmanne39
<JonEdney> Hey hobgoblin
<wildmanne39> hi hobgoblin
<hobgoblin> wildmanne39: I realised that we both had the same thread on the import page - sorry - my fault :(
<hobgoblin> I did the wiki and removed your line
<hobgoblin> hope you'd not done any work on it
<cortman> hi wildmanne39
<ruffedgz> hobgoblin: quick question - should I move over my pictures to the wiki page (not the sandbox area) or should I keep them on the ubuntu forum?
<wildmanne39> hobgoblin, no problem which one was it? if I did not have a link to it or marked in progress I doubt I worked on it yet
<hobgoblin> aah - you have to add those as attachments within the wiki
<wildmanne39> hi cortman
<hobgoblin> wildmanne39: the powerware one
<hobgoblin> ruffedgz: you'll need to save the wiki - then there is an option for attachments, save them - then they are available 'within' the wiki to add into the text
<ruffedgz> sounds good
<hobgoblin> ruffedgz: if you need to see what the syntax is like - edit or raw text the import page you got the tool from :)
<hobgoblin> or read the wiki for it ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnLinking
<ruffedgz> yep, I use moinmoin at work ;) I knew it was possible but didn't know if it was done for this particular wiki =D
<wildmanne39> hobgoblin, no harm done there
<hobgoblin> ruffedgz: aah cool - you need to hang around then - for the most part we are learnign as we go I think :D
 * hobgoblin knows he'd take all the help he can lol
<cortman> in that case we'd REALLY like to have you on the team ruffedgz
<ruffedgz> lol
<ruffedgz> ok, I have it looking pretty good now but I was wondering if this title is a good one to use: UbuntuDesktopLVM
<ruffedgz> what do you all think?
<hobgoblin> yep
<hobgoblin> more or less what I was going to use
<ruffedgz> ok, I know I didn't want to use something like this: SetupUbuntuDesktopwithLVMPartitions ... :P
<hobgoblin> yea - can get a bit hard to decide sometimes
<hobgoblin> if it's something simple like grub it's easy lol
<ruffedgz> lol, true that
<ruffedgz> lol, I keep losing connection :P
<hobgoblin> that's pants :(
<ruffedgz> sorry for the late entry on this (working on multiple things right now) but I finished my entry and please look over and advise/change what you need to: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuDesktopLVM
<hobgoblin> that looks good :) all I would change is the order at the beginning for versions - I would have done 12.04 to 10.04
<ruffedgz> sounds good, I can do that
<hobgoblin> but that's just personal preference :)
<hobgoblin> ruffedgz: did you use the tool?
<ruffedgz> I did use the tool to convert it
<ruffedgz> I had to make some modifications to it for it to work with the table of contents and some other minor things but it worked out great
<hobgoblin> yea - we know about the tidying up - but it makes people look at the thing before saving :)
<ruffedgz> agreed, thats why I wanted to look it over in the sandbox just in case ;)
<hobgoblin> yep :)
<hobgoblin> what we don't want for this project is for wiki to fill with rubbish :)
<ruffedgz> yep yep, that makes sense, We have a lot of that in my job now. I work on it but cleaning is another matter >.<
<ruffedgz> well let me know if you need my help on anything else. I have setup notifications for the LVM page I just added so I can make sure the content thats changed is good.
<hobgoblin> thanks ruffedgz - I'll be sureto remember you :)
<ruffedgz> hobgoblin: Sounds good. Have a good one :D
<hobgoblin> cheers :)
#ubuntu-wiki 2012-06-14
<hobgoblin> hello wojox - nice to see you in here as well :)
<wojox> i logged on yesterday just to add this to my favorites and got side tracked. lol
<hobgoblin> :)
<cortman> great
#ubuntu-wiki 2012-06-15
<hobgoblin> cortman: things are moving - check the last item, but you won't be able to see the link to the thread
<hobgoblin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda
<cortman> Yay hobgoblin !
<hobgoblin> :)
<hobgoblin> that'll put the cat amongst the pigeons ...
<cortman> Whew
<cortman> The day that happens I think I'll hide under the telly with quackers
#ubuntu-wiki 2012-06-18
<cortman> Does anyone know why I can't delete/overwrite attachments on a wiki page?
<hobgoblin> nope
<hobgoblin> I've done it in the recent past
<cortman> That's odd
<cortman> I tried it- Paddy Landau (whose thread I was working on) tried it- no cigar.
<hobgoblin> which page ?
<cortman> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PlayOnLinux
<hobgoblin> which image are you trying to overwrite?
<cortman> All of them
<hobgoblin> with which attachement
<cortman> I accidentally downloaded just the thumbnails, and now I want to upload the actual pictures
<cortman> Just a png attachment?
<hobgoblin> you want me to delete if it lets me?
<cortman> Yes that would be great hobgoblin
<hobgoblin> all gone
<cortman> Thanks!!
<hobgoblin> no idea why I could do it and you 2 couldn't though?
<cortman> me neither
<cortman> It told me I didn't have permissions to.
<hobgoblin> !
<hobgoblin> wher you logged in is all I'd say ...
<cortman> Yes, otherwise I couldn't edit the page...
<cortman> Did you delete the attachments or just delete them from the wiki page?
<hobgoblin> from the page - I've no idea how to delete the attachments - but I did note that if you give the same name you can overwrite
<cortman> Yes- that's what I couldn't do was overwrite them- I got "You are not allowed to overwrite a file attachment of this page."
<cortman> Did again just now.
<hobgoblin> oh
<hobgoblin> you didn't want them gone from the wiki page then ...
<hobgoblin> :(
<cortman> erm, not so much.
<cortman> lol
<cortman> That's fine- it's just one line
<hobgoblin> good job you can read the diffs then
<hobgoblin> whoops
<cortman> lol
<hobgoblin> sorry cortman
<cortman> No prob hobgoblin :)
<cortman> Thanks for trying!
<cortman> I'll just append some letter to the filenames and reupload them I guess.
<cortman> Unless you are able to overwrite?
<hobgoblin> I didn't much like playing with attachments
<hobgoblin> I'd guess I'd have the same issue
<cortman> Yeah
<cortman> That's ok
<cortman> Apparently we can't do italics in wiki pages either?
<hobgoblin> I thought that was ''blah''
<cortman> That's the syntax, but it doesn't work.
<hobgoblin> not tried yet
<hobgoblin> I won't now :)
<cortman> lol
<cortman> I don't get that- like bullet points- it's moin moin syntax, why doesn't it work?
<hobgoblin> don't have a clue sorry - bodhi might though
<cortman> maybe I'll ask him
<cortman> Or maybe I'll just sit in the background and become brooding, Byronic, and vengeful
<hobgoblin> ha ha ha
<hobgoblin> personally I don't like bullet points or italics lol
<cortman> Aww!
<cortman> I'm not a fan of italics, but I love bullet points.
<hobgoblin> :p
<cortman> :P right back :P
<hobgoblin> find a wiki page with bullet points and then see the raw text - or italics :)
<cortman> Ha
<cortman> yes
#ubuntu-wiki 2012-06-19
<cortman> ping bodhi_zazen
<bodhi_zazen> hey cortman , zup ?
<cortman> Hi bodhi_zazen
<cortman> Question
<cortman> Why can't we do italics or bullet points on our wiki?
<bodhi_zazen> ?
<bodhi_zazen> you mean wiki syntax or is it verbotten ?
<cortman> Wiki syntax
<cortman> moin moin
<cortman> I follow the instructions, but it just doesn't work...
<bodhi_zazen> You can , should be able to
<bodhi_zazen> linky to page
<cortman> One person I talked to thought it was something to do with the wiki CSS sheets
<bodhi_zazen> It can to finicky at times
<cortman> Well, here for example
<cortman> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PlayOnLinux
<bodhi_zazen> OK, where do you want italics or bullet points ?
<cortman> Just try it anywhere
<cortman> I'd like some of the lists to be bullet points primarily
<bodhi_zazen> As I under "Hardware" ?
<cortman> Yeah, or even under "Disclaimers"
<cortman> I haven't gotten it to work in any of my wiki pages yet.
<bodhi_zazen> Yep, not working , I would ask on -doc or the mailing list
<cortman> OK, thanks.
<cortman> What is -doc?
<hobgoblin> cortman: #ubuntu-doc
<cortman> oh sure thanks hobgoblin
<cortman> I sent an email to the mailing list
#ubuntu-wiki 2012-06-22
<wildmanne39> Does anyone know exactly how to get a word to show in a different color in a wiki? I have tried the format that is given in the guide but it has not worked so far
<cortman> I know wildmanne39 neither work. I asked bodhizazen about it and he didn't know why they didn't work either
<cortman> He suggested contacting the doc team. I sent an email to the mailing list but no reply yet.
<wildmanne39> cortman, that is good, I am about to eat bbl
<cortman> k
<hannie> hi hobgoblin cortman JoseeAntonioR
<JoseeAntonioR> Hello, hannie.
<cortman> hi hannie
<cortman> Are you connected to the official doc team at all hannie ?
<hannie> no, I am not
<hannie> I only translated the ubuntu docs
<cortman> Oh ok
<cortman> I'm trying to track down someone official to fix the community wiki
<hannie> matthew East is the one
<hannie> do you want his email address?
<cortman> Sure that'd be great!
<hannie> one moment
<hannie> emily84@example.com
<cortman> Thanks a lot hannie
<hannie> He is from the doc team. If he can't help you, he can tell you who can
<hannie> welcome
<cortman> Great
<hobgoblin> hi hannie - nice to see you - was it manic :)
<hannie> hey hobgoblin nice to be back :)
<hannie> I was very, very busy (like all you guys)
<hobgoblin> well I've not been too busy with this - but I've been doing a fair lot of daily iso testing lately
<hannie> Now I am catching up with translations and hopefully the forums2wiki tasks
<hannie> iso testing for quantal?
<hobgoblin> yea
<hannie> do you think it will be very different from Precise?
<hobgoblin> well in the one I use xfce is upgraded to 4.10 and does some tiling and the panels have a deskbar option
<hannie> nice
<hobgoblin> yep :)
<hannie> hobgoblin, do you want me to start with a special task or shall I just continue reading forum tutorials and judging them?
<hobgoblin> hannie: this has all been ticking over nicely though - cortman and wildmanne have been doing lots
<hannie> ok, I haven't seen the list for a while. Time to have a look at it
<hobgoblin> hannie: yea do that - I think we more or less have the basics under control now and it's just about getting stuff to move
<hobgoblin> not sure what the others who appear to idle in here are doing mind you ;)
<hannie> well, what people do should be on the list
<hobgoblin> hannie: list?
<hannie> import list
<hobgoblin> what we need I guess is people looking at threads and linking them to the imprt page
<hobgoblin> aah yes indeed:)
<hobgoblin> hannie: at some point I'd like to talk about the manual thing as well
<hannie> ok, we are now in the final stage of proofreading
<hannie> Perhaps when we start with Quantal, we can count on you?
<hobgoblin> yep
<hannie> That will start in about two weeks
<hobgoblin> ok
<hannie> I will let you know
<hobgoblin> I'm slated to be helping with xubuntu documentation as well
<hobgoblin> got a lot of time at the moment :)
<hannie> writing or reviewing?
<hobgoblin> I can't remember lol
<hannie> lol
<hannie> When the Precise version of the manual is out, I have a new task translating it
<hannie> But this time I will do it together with my team mates
<hobgoblin> that sounds like fun ...
<hannie> Eveyone can do one or two chapters, thus the work will be done in a jiffy
<hobgoblin> relatively speaking ;)
<hannie> yes, because some chapters are very big
<hobgoblin> I think I got as far as getting latex or whatver it's called and trying to get the thing from bzr
<hannie> Did you get the branch to your computer (Projects/ubuntu-manual-precise)?
<hobgoblin> yea
<hobgoblin> but it's not been updated since I grabbed it
<hannie> that's great. Once you have installed Latex Live you can generate the pdf file from the .tex files
<hannie> you can update it daily by giving the command bzr pull
<hobgoblin> I stopped for some reason - can;t remember now
<hannie> It is fun to see how the pdf file grows. Most screenshots are added now
<hobgoblin> oh yea - it's grabbing it now
<hobgoblin> done
<hannie> good. Then you can give the command "make"
<hannie> in the /Projects/ubuntu-manual-precise directory
<hobgoblin> that failed
<hobgoblin> /bin/bash: xelatex: command not found
<hannie> Have you installed Latex Live?
<hobgoblin> I obviously didn't get the latex thing then
<hobgoblin> I should look at the screen before typing
<hannie> no, and it can take up to 3 hours :(
<hobgoblin> oh - well I'll let that cook overnight then
<hannie> good. If the instructions are not clear enough, ping me
<hobgoblin> I will :)
<hobgoblin> I remember what happened now - I had a bunch of issues with bzr that I had to sort out - then didn't get any further
<hannie> ok, but now bzr is ok I guess
<hobgoblin> yep
<hobgoblin> well I started latex live off now
<hannie> so the last thing to do is get latex live. Tomorrow you can let me know if it is installed
<hobgoblin> yep :)
<hannie> I'll be gone in a minute. See you all guys
<hobgoblin> cya - good to see you hannie :)
<hannie> :)
<wildmanne39> hey hobgoblin
<hobgoblin> evening :)
<cortman> g'dye hobgoblin
 * hobgoblin installed texlive 
<hobgoblin> removed it - reinstall it somewhere else - id it wrong I guess as it was almost 4Gb :p
<cortman> Yep
<cortman> I did the same thing once
<cortman> lol it is enormous
<hobgoblin> smaller this time - fiddled with it - 520Mb
<cortman> It's the language packs I think
<hobgoblin> possibly
<cortman> What are you planning to use tex for?
<hobgoblin> I'm looking at helping with ubuntu manual
<hobgoblin> unless xubuntu docs takes an enormous amount of my time
<cortman> Terrific- not letting grass grow under your feet it appears :)
<wildmanne39> did anyone figure out how to get color text to work in a wiki?
<hobgoblin> cortman asked in -docs
<wildmanne39> okay I am stuck on converting a thread until we get it figured out because italic's do not work either
<cortman> Yes- hannie gave me an email address of a doc team head honcho
<cortman> I'm going to email him and see what he says
<wildmanne39> sounds good
<wildmanne39> I thought may be the color text was just me
<cortman> Nope
<cortman> There's a couple launchpad bugs to the effect, re the italics and a few other things
<cortman> but they get no attention
<wildmanne39> I tried italic's in December of last you and could not get them to work but it was my first attempt
<cortman> Yep. We'll get it figured out.
<hobgoblin> I suspect it has been broken for a long time
<hobgoblin> and if the move to sumo actually gains speed they'll likely ignore it
<cortman> Probably
<cortman> sumo?
<hobgoblin> quote from in -docs a while ago " All I knew was mhall119 wanted help going to Sumo? I personally would love to see wiki running something other than moin moin its being the bain of my existence due to its limited markup"
<cortman> haha
<cortman> moinmoin is definitely closer to bane than blessing IMHO, but no experience with sumo.
<hobgoblin> apparently it is what mozilla use
<hobgoblin> or something like that :)
<cortman> Oh ok.
<hobgoblin> SUMO is a django app that runs support.mozilla.org
<hobgoblin> apparently
<hobgoblin> but it's not something we need to worry about - or so we were told
<cortman> That's what "they" want us to think
<hobgoblin> lol
<hobgoblin> I haz logz
<cortman> Whoa
<cortman> Expect a visit from "them" sometime in the dead of night.
<cortman> hobgoblin has the tapes
<cortman> :)
<hobgoblin> :p
#ubuntu-wiki 2012-06-27
<hobgoblin> cortman: go to one of the pages then settings
<cortman> uh huh
<hobgoblin> then preferences - set theme to something other than default - save and you'll probably need to reload the page after it refreshes
<cortman> ok
<cortman> I had it at "light theme" to start with
<hobgoblin> I had it on classic
<cortman> I'm changing it to classic lol
<hobgoblin> pointless though as no-one will actually see it
<cortman> Wow
<hobgoblin> other than people no set to default
<cortman> So should I pursue it with Matthew and friends?
<hobgoblin> they'll want someone to do the patch
<hobgoblin> I think given that they are looking at sumo anyway at some point it'll be a waste of time - but that's up to you :)
<hobgoblin> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/uds-q/2-community-q-docteam
<cortman> OK
<cortman> It's not a big deal I guess, just rather annoying
<hobgoblin> yep
<cortman> And goodness knows how little time I have to pursue that right now anyway
<hobgoblin> lol
<wildmanne39> hey elfy
<elfy> hi wildmanne39
<wildmanne39> elfy, when you get time will you look at this wiki and see how it looks to you, it was difficult because it called for colors and and such that did not work so I have tried to do it without them. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeALiveCD/DVD/BootableFlashFromHarddiskInstall
<elfy> I shall look right now :)
<wildmanne39> okay thanks
<elfy> looks great wildmanne39 :)
<elfy> I see what you mean about the colour thing
<wildmanne39> thanks for looking, I could get it to work in a line by itself but not in a sentence
<elfy> yea - I think it is all about themes in wiki
<wildmanne39> I have been trying to get this wiki done for more then a week but I did it a little at a time because of the issues, I was hoping they would get fixed
<elfy> the default one doesn't work
<wildmanne39> that is what they said
<wildmanne39> I tahink they are working on it now
<wildmanne39> think
<wildmanne39> I am glad to be done with that one
<elfy> I've been a bit fail lately I'm afraid
<wildmanne39> it happens to all of us from time to time, I personally am going to stay away from wiki's for the next 2 days and enjoy a break
<cortman> I'm off-and-on too on this
<cortman> Plus running out of threads to wikify...
<elfy> good - glad both of you are aware of burnout or - appears so :)
<elfy> cortman: yea - time to trawl again - especially now that posts are uneditable
<wildmanne39> cortman, I could not even get bold text to work today while working with commands in the wiki, it would work outside of the command structure but not within
<cortman> yeah elfy I didn't quite get that?
<cortman> Original posts more than 24 hrs old can't be edited any more?
<cortman> wildmanne39, that is ridiculous...
<wildmanne39> that is why I am taking a the next 2 days, I think the author could have written his guide better not use all the colors like he did
<wildmanne39> cortman, in T&T?
<elfy> cortman: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=341621
<elfy> that was not like that when I added it to the list ...
<elfy> spam - create posts then come back later and edit in the spam
<cortman> Whoa
<elfy> wildmanne39: everywhere - after 24 hours (I think) only staff can edit posts
<cortman> but what about this ?
<cortman> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1909108
<wildmanne39> can you still edit that cortman
<elfy> cortman - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2011597
<cortman> crouaghtauodhgh
<cortman> It appears like I can't wildmanne39
<cortman> That's for all posts elfy ?
<bodhi_zazen> elfy: I changed it to a week
<elfy> yep
<cortman> *all threads
<elfy> oh right ok thanks bodhi_zazen
<wildmanne39> the link answers that
<bodhi_zazen> I thought a weed would be a little more reasonable
<elfy> :)
<elfy> I'll assume that's a typo :p
<cortman> lol
<bodhi_zazen> *cough*
<cortman> So I can't update the master index on my command line resources thread?
<wildmanne39> HAHA
<elfy> oh so it wasn't then ...
<elfy> cortman: nope
<bodhi_zazen> cortman: you can, you just need a little assistance is all
<bodhi_zazen> ask a staff here
<cortman> Ok......
<cortman> this is just dawning on me now.
<cortman> Wow
<cortman> Should that be moved to a wiki???
<wildmanne39> cortman, an epiphany?
<bodhi_zazen> Yea
<bodhi_zazen> wiki wiki wiki
<cortman> Ugh
<elfy> :p
<elfy> do you want some help with the tool cortman ?
<elfy> :D
<cortman> I guess it can be- I hadn't been sure for some time if that was proper wiki material
<wildmanne39> LOL
 * cortman kicks elfy
<cortman> :P
<elfy> :p
<bodhi_zazen> cortman: bodhi_zazen	And there was much rejoicing - http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12058229&postcount=27
<cortman> crouaghtodhough
<bodhi_zazen> There are a few potential recruits in that thread for people who may be willing to help with wiki
<bodhi_zazen> If you could recruit one person a month ...
<bodhi_zazen> one quality person ...
 * cortman mutters under his breath
<wildmanne39> it is time to get rid of the sticky in desktop environment don't you think?
<elfy> bodhi_zazen: I doubt that anyone in that thread would be helping - unless they already are doing stuff - like QIII
<cortman> I'll do my own thread if that's what's required... but...
<elfy> wildmanne39: do you want it unstuck?
 * cortman kicks elfy again, in an overwrought sort of way
<wildmanne39> if it needs to be it is ok
<wildmanne39> it is already a wiki
<elfy> cortman: well it does mean anyone can add to the list :)
<elfy> in a collaborative sort of way
<bodhi_zazen> QIII FTW
<elfy> yea -= breath of fresh air
<cortman> I'm cool with wikifying the thread- just a bit of a surprise.
<elfy> :)
<cortman> Obviously I'm for the wiki %100
<cortman> But... whoosh
<cortman> I will say- a week is a much better idea than 24 hrs.
<bodhi_zazen> cortman: well, as you know, we are sort of headed in that direction, but, sometimes events tip the scales one way or another
<cortman> And for other people to be able to contribute, that's great
<cortman> to the resources thread in particular
<elfy> wildmanne39: - you could ask a friendly mod to edit the first post with the link to the wiki and close it - leave it stuck for the moment and watch the views?
<cortman> I guess bodhi_zazen
<wildmanne39> that would be okay too elfy if you please?
<wildmanne39> elfy, about to use his super ubuntu powers
<elfy> is it the link that is already there wildmanne39 ?
<cortman> And a weed is a much better idea than a week, for some anyway.
<wildmanne39> elfy, yes
<elfy> k
<elfy> wildmanne39: Thread closed.
<elfy> Please ask support questions in the appropriate forum.
<elfy> is that ok?
<wildmanne39> yes sounds good thanks
<elfy> k
<elfy> done then wildmanne39
<wildmanne39> thanks
 * elfy really needs to shut down threads that have been wikified and create dicussion threads for them 
<elfy> s/really needs to get on and/
<wildmanne39> discussion threads will be normal threads right but where will they be located?
<cortman> OK, the resource thread is added to pages for import
<cortman> It feels like selling my firstborn
<cortman> :)
<wildmanne39> LOL
<elfy> ha ha ha
<cortman> On the plus side, I'll be able to get it into a proper grid form now.
<elfy> wildmanne39: discussion thread in tutes'n'tips - no support, support threads in normal forums - no discussion
<elfy> original thread closed with link to wiki and new discussion thread
<elfy> bodhi_zazen: that is how we envisage it ^^ is it not?
<bodhi_zazen> Yea
<bodhi_zazen> T&T to discuss changes / updates to wiki
<bodhi_zazen> support has always gone to support sections, T&T has some sticky about support questions
<elfy> yep - cool - when I do the new threads I will set up a nice greasemokey script to do most of it :)
 * bodhi_zazen writes a script to convert stickies to wikis (past present and future)
<elfy> so they'll be exactly the same other than links
 * elfy writes script to convert electricity to smoke and we can all go home 
<wildmanne39> LOL
<bodhi_zazen> Oh I have the hardware to do that elfy
<elfy> was that you !!!
<elfy> can I buy it back now ?
<wildmanne39> we need a new issue with wireless to give me more to do
<elfy> wildmanne39: have a rest instead
<wildmanne39> it has been slow all wiki wireless wise, just the wiki to keep me busy, I am taking a break from it
<wildmanne39> now I can not type, time for a break
<elfy> :)
#ubuntu-wiki 2012-06-28
<hannie> hi hobgoblin
<hobgoblin> hi hannie - how's things
<hannie> working hard ;)
<hannie> A question:
<hobgoblin> go on :)
<hannie> Is this the latest verson: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ForumWikiTeam/ImportTool
<hobgoblin> yes
<hobgoblin> unless bodhi has updated it and not told me
<hannie> ok, thanks
<hannie> It was a while ago since I last used it, so I just wanted to check
<hobgoblin> it's certainly the version I am using here :)
<hobgoblin> aah - ok - nothigng recent has changed
<hannie> right
<hobgoblin> how goes it in manual land? due out soon is it?
<hannie> yes, June 30. Finishing touch now, checking comments from proofreaders
<hannie> and if they are valid I make the changes and push them to Launchpad
<hobgoblin> cool
<hannie> Kevin is "out of town", but he said he will release the Precise version on time
<hobgoblin> :)
<hannie> how's the forumstowiki going?
<hannie> I was just going to start reading some tutorials from the forums
<hannie> Is that still useful, or have they all been wikified by now?
<hobgoblin> going well - I'm still behind like the proverbial
<hobgoblin> there's not much left on the import list now
<hannie> ok, but there are tutorials to be put on the import list I guess
<hobgoblin> time for a trawl of the forum again I'd say
<hobgoblin> yea
<hannie> ok, back to work then :)
<hobgoblin> :)
<hannie> When you hear me sigh it's because I do not know what to do with a certain tutorial ;)
<hobgoblin> LOL]
<hobgoblin> flag it on the import list = put a note against it or in here or something :)
<hannie> will do
<hobgoblin> or even the m/list of course
<hannie> Do I have the right Pages For Import: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Pages%20For%20Import
<hobgoblin> yep
<hannie> ok, thanks
<hobgoblin> you might not be aware of a change on the forum - people can only edit posts for a week - which means that they can't update tutorials anymore
<hannie> aha, didn't know that
<Sofox> Hello everyone, due to the change in edit status, I need to move my list of crowdefunded Linux games into the Wiki: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1945254
<cortman> Not a problem Sofox
<Sofox> That's great, but I'm not sure whereabouts to put it.
<Sofox> So are there guildlines I need to follow with where to put it?
<cortman> Would you want to do the converting yourself or have one of us on the team do it?
<cortman> I may be able to get it converted this evening (1 hour) and give you a link to edit it
<Sofox> Oh that would be awesome!
<Sofox> Would you really do that?
<cortman> Absolutely. :)
<cortman> I get off of work in about an hour- can have it done then.
<Sofox> Thank you so much, as long as it's not too much trouble.
<cortman> emily84@example.com. I'll also send you links on how to edit with moinmoin- it's a little more tricky than the forums, but quite manageable.
<cortman> I'll PM you the links- could I have a link to your forums profile?
<Sofox> I've edited a few wikis before so I shouldn't be too out of my depth. Thank you so much for this.
<Sofox> Sure: http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=1083482
<cortman> Thanks- sounds great. :)
<cortman> Thanks for being willing to do the transfer.
<Sofox> No problem, I figure it's best to do this and keep the list going then... well, the alternative..
<cortman> For sure.
<bodhi_zazen> wb cortman
#ubuntu-wiki 2012-06-29
<hobgoblin> cortman: nothingspecial and I did a big close of threads thismorning - tutes'n'tips took a hammering :)
<cortman> ouch lol
<cortman> Did you all create new threads for the pages right away?
<hobgoblin> yep
<hobgoblin> closed threads - with links to wiki and new thread
<cortman> Nice
<cortman> I did a thread last night for sofox
<cortman> They said they'd edit it if I did the conversion- nice for both of us. :)
<hobgoblin> oh they did did they
<hobgoblin> nothingspecial: ^^ see that ...
<cortman> uh oh
<cortman> will I get kicked for that? lol
<nothingspecial> yep
<hobgoblin> :)
<nothingspecial> sofox pm'd me to reopen the thread
 * cortman sighs
<hobgoblin> yea
 * nothingspecial said no :p
 * hobgoblin is of the opinion that all whiners should be forced to use gentoo
<nothingspecial> :)
<cortman> haha
<cortman> Apparently sofox is resigned to wikifying
<cortman> Good for them
<hobgoblin> good
<nothingspecial> \o/
<hobgoblin> now there is no need for another thread then nothingspecial :p
<cortman> <Sofox> No problem, I figure it's best to do this and keep the list going then... well, the alternative..
<nothingspecial> we'll see, no further pms
<cortman> Don't get your hopes up nothingspecial

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