#ubuntu-classroom 2007-01-01 <waky> Noch jemand wach? *sorry for the german language...* #ubuntu-classroom 2007-01-03 <pipedream> . <PPmarcel> hello #ubuntu-classroom 2007-01-04 * Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-classroom.log <deepsa> when is the next class <oojah> .window close #ubuntu-classroom 2007-01-05 <Caius> boo! <nalioth> !repos <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource <nalioth> Caius: ^^^ <Caius> !EasySource <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic <nalioth> enable your universe and multiverse repos, and any commercial repos yo ulike <nalioth> NO <nalioth> dont do it <nalioth> easysource = easycrash <Caius> nalioth: ok * Caius hadn't gone there yet anyway * Caius is trying to learn about package management & get php5+sqlite working in OS X & help a friend out with her bf problems at the same time * Caius also needs to goto bed as its 04:35am <nalioth> go to bed <Caius> meh, I need to talk to mel, she'll only go into depression for the day otherwise <Caius> haven't spoken to her for *thinks* 18 months or so <Caius> so its nice to chat as well heh <tonyyarusso> nalioth: What do you know about the status of the nun and future classes? Do we need to do some serious recruiting to stay viable? <tonyyarusso> wait, there's a better channel for that question... <tonyyarusso> nvm me <Caius> nalioth: this seems out of date to what is actually on the system <Caius> nalioth: excellent, netatalk is installing <nalioth> tonyyarusso: no, we just need to schedule some classes <tonyyarusso> nalioth: Sounds like a plan - brainstorm topics time! <Eleaf> hmm #ubuntu-classroom 2007-01-07 <ismail> can i get some help here? <nalioth> ismail: help with what? <ismail> geting my vcds work underubuntu 6.10 <ismail> iv already installed the codecs <ismail> and mplayer <ismail> gtreamer <nikin> yeah i have VCD problem to <ismail> has anyone found a way to make themwork? <ismail> they work fine in suse <nalioth> ismail: use vlc <ismail> i did <ismail> didnt work <ismail> mplayer doesnt work <ismail> xine and gxine dont work either <nalioth> is the vcd playable elsewhere? <ismail> yup <nalioth> crimson: i'ne not forgotten you <ismail> windows <nalioth> vlc plays all my vcds <ismail> works fine there <crimson> nalioth: no rush, i can wait for a bit <ismail> back when i was using suse 10.0 it worked there too <nikin> nailoth: my VLC does not recognize any other drivers than theora <nikin> i have installed all codecs <nalioth> crimson: <reply> When a program or configure script asks for "X <nalioth> includes", you should probably install the following packages: <nalioth> xlibs-dev xlibs-static-dev x-window-system-dev <crimson> nalioth: thanks, i'll give it a whirl <nalioth> !xincludes <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev xlibs-static-dev x-window-system-dev <nalioth> nikin: vlc includes its own drivers <nalioth> it doesnt use system drivers <ismail> i think vlc needs libxine to work <ismail> ok i get this error <nikin> nailoth:i even tryed to just open the dat file on the disc <ismail> no plugin to handle this movie <ismail> thats what i get <nalioth> ismail: all i can recommend is vlc <nalioth> i'm not much of a vcd watcher <crimson> nalioth: sorry, but the xinclude error has been solved but now i get this: Qt (>= Qt 3.3 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found. <nalioth> crimson: how experienced are you at compiling things? <crimson> nalioth i have experience with programming, but not with compiling programs in this nature <nalioth> when it complains about "FOO not found" when you are trying to compile, visit synaptic and find FOO-dev or FOO-devel and install those packages #ubuntu-classroom 2007-01-08 <pipedream> /query/win 11 <pipedream> oops <xorg62> hi <Tenris> Salut <Tenris> Hi* <jrib> hi <Tenris> I've installed edgy by text mod, when I reboot my computer, i got a grub error #ubuntu-classroom 2007-01-09 <Tenris> Error 21 <jrib> you'll have better luck in #ubuntu, this channel is usually dead <Tenris> i've tried :-( <jrib> try a bit later when new people are around, also try the forums and/or mailing list <Tenris> Yes :-( <nalioth> !firefox <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins #ubuntu-classroom 2007-01-10 <kikeMaster> hi #ubuntu-classroom 2007-01-14 <jrib> vakosel: hi <vakosel> hi <jrib> less traffic here <vakosel> how you highlithgt your name? <jrib> ok, paste what this command returns: <vakosel> grrrr <jrib> vakosel: just, type "jr" then press tab button <jrib> vakosel: ok, paste what this command returns: apt-cache policy wine <vakosel> jrib, Installed: (none) <vakosel> Candidate: 0.9.9-0ubuntu2 <vakosel> Version table: <vakosel> 0.9.9-0ubuntu2 0 <vakosel> 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Packages <jrib> it seems to be available to you <jrib> just type: sudo aptitude install wine <vakosel> why though synaptic manager cant find it? <jrib> vakosel: it should <vakosel> lol <jrib> maybe press "reload"? <vakosel> ok tell you what i did <vakosel> i added dapper, updates, security,backports and checked everything inside and then reload <vakosel> from repositories tab <vakosel> main , restricted, univ, multiv <jrib> ok, then you hit "search" button and entered "wine"? <vakosel> yeap <vakosel> nothing returned which is strange because yesterday when i tried edgy workex <vakosel> worked <vakosel> jrib, maybe has to do with the address? <jrib> what address? <vakosel> where looks for packages <jrib> well if aptitude finds it, then so should synaptic <vakosel> let me check <vakosel> found it and dl it <vakosel> jrib, forgive me because i dont know much but i will <jrib> so you have wine now? <vakosel> yes <vakosel> lol <jrib> great, don't drink too much :) <vakosel> by the way i am kostas from greece ! thx for the help and for your time! <vakosel> and i wont drink too much :) <vakosel> my repositories are setup ok though? #ubuntu-classroom 2007-01-15 <jrib> sutiner: type this command and tell me the output: ls -l <jrib> if it is long, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org <Knick> lol? <sutiner> sutiner@sutiner-desktop:~$ su <sutiner> Password: <sutiner> root@sutiner-desktop:/home/sutiner# ls -l <sutiner> total 1338452 <sutiner> -rw-r--r-- 1 sutiner sutiner 561525932 2007-01-15 17:37 CS1.6.zip <sutiner> -rw-r--r-- 1 sutiner sutiner 607202 2007-01-15 17:32 data.zip <sutiner> drwxr-xr-x 2 sutiner sutiner 4096 2007-01-15 17:46 Desktop <sutiner> lrwxrwxrwx 1 sutiner sutiner 26 2007-01-15 14:59 Examples -> /usr/share/example-content <sutiner> -rw-r--r-- 1 sutiner sutiner 754211706 2007-01-15 17:39 htdocs.zip <sutiner> -rw-r--r-- 1 sutiner sutiner 52859803 2007-01-15 15:45 xampp-linux-1.5.5a.tar.gz <sutiner> root@sutiner-desktop:/home/sutiner# <sutiner> root@sutiner-desktop:/home/sutiner# <sutiner> <sutiner> see <sutiner> XAMPP is in right dir but it says <jrib> the file isn't there <jrib> oh nvr mnd <sutiner> hmmmm <jrib> ok paste the output from the command <jrib> the tar one <sutiner> it goes now :) <jrib> heh <sutiner> didnt understand... <sutiner> how i can log as su in graphicaly mod not only in terminal??? <sutiner> i have ubuntu-desktop <sutiner> ? <jrib> !root | sutiner <ubotu> sutiner: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information. <jrib> sutiner: it is a bad idea <jrib> but there is your info <sutiner> (nautilus:6152): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: <sutiner> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. <sutiner> (nautilus:6152): libgnomevfs-WARNING **: Failed to open session DBUS connection: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. <sutiner> Volume monitoring will not work. <sutiner> <sutiner> <sutiner> <sutiner> wtf? <sutiner> i <sutiner> loged as <sutiner> su <sutiner> and i typed NAUTILUS <sutiner> and i got that... <sutiner> :( <sutiner> HELP!? <apokryphos> sutiner: you shouldn't be running graphical applications as root like that <apokryphos> ubotu: gksudo <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use gksudo, as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using "sudo <GUI-application>" <sutiner> didnt understand? <sutiner> what is gksudo? <sutiner> it is command or programm? <apokryphos> sutiner: it's a way to run an application (*only* when you need to) with root permissions <apokryphos> and you would use it like this: alt+f2 -> gksudo nautilus #ubuntu-classroom 2007-01-16 <unix_infidel> The schedule in the wiki is a mess, when can i expect the next Session? <tonyyarusso> unix_infidel: That there is a good question. Organizing of stuff may be transferring to me, depending on how a conversation went with someone, but my schedule's also taken an interesting turn. I'll see what I can do though. <tonyyarusso> Hopefully soon. <unix_infidel> If you need any help coordinating feel free to shoot me a PM. <tonyyarusso> unix_infidel: 'k, thanks. <tonyyarusso> unix_infidel: meanwhile, hit up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/Ideas #ubuntu-classroom 2007-01-17 * Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-classroom.log <termitor> hello #ubuntu-classroom 2007-01-18 <qopi> hello jrib <jrib> alright, scrolling was getting tiring <jrib> qopi: you have backups of any important stuff on your system? I can tell you what I would do to try to sort this out but i don't know that it won't just mess you up further <jrib> up to you if you want to try <qopi> jrib: i've backed up my home directory, yes <jrib> alright <jrib> sudo dpkg -r libwxgtk2.6-0 libxine-main1 <qopi> and I think thoreauputic has already made it worse but getting me to purge important packages, so I don't think there is any going back now <jrib> apt-cache policy libisccc0 paste results here <qopi> josef@ubumonkey:~$ sudo dpkg -r libwxgtk2.6-0 libxine-main1 <qopi> Password: <qopi> dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of libwxgtk2.6-0: <qopi> amule depends on libwxgtk2.6-0 (>= 156.14.161.142ubuntu2). <qopi> dpkg: error processing libwxgtk2.6-0 (--remove): <qopi> dependency problems - not removing <qopi> dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of libxine-main1: <qopi> libxine1c2 depends on libxine-main1. <qopi> libxine-extracodecs depends on libxine-main1. <qopi> xine-ui depends on libxine-main1 (>= 1.1.1). <qopi> dpkg: error processing libxine-main1 (--remove): <qopi> dependency problems - not removing <qopi> Errors were encountered while processing: <qopi> libwxgtk2.6-0 <qopi> libxine-main1 <qopi> josef@ubumonkey:~$ <jrib> k, when they are this long you should still use apstebin :) <qopi> ok <qopi> want me to try apt-cache policy libisccc0 ? <jrib> yeah <qopi> josef@ubumonkey:~$ apt-cache policy libisccc0 <qopi> libisccc0: <qopi> Installed: 1:9.3.2-2ubuntu1.1 <qopi> Candidate: 1:9.3.2-2ubuntu3 <qopi> Version table: <qopi> 1:9.3.2-2ubuntu3 0 <qopi> 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/main Packages <qopi> *** 1:9.3.2-2ubuntu1.1 0 <qopi> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status <qopi> that too long too? <jrib> that's ok <qopi> so what next ? :) <jrib> qopi: you're on i386? <qopi> yes <qopi> toshiba satellite pro 4600 <qopi> p3 <qopi> about 700mhz <qopi> 256 ram <jrib> wget http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/b/bind9/libisccc0_9.3.2-2ubuntu3_i386.deb <qopi> done <jrib> sudo dpkg -i libisccc0_9.3.2-2ubuntu3_i386.deb * jrib wonders if error will return * qopi tries it <qopi> oooh, it says Setting up which if further than before... <qopi> done :) <qopi> what next? <jrib> ok, now sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, pastebin errors <qopi> type: sudo dpkg -i libisccc0_9.3.2-2ubuntu3_i386.deb ? <qopi> oops <qopi> type: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ? <jrib> yep <qopi> ok <jrib> can you think of an example of a semigroup where the left unit and right unit are not the same? <qopi> er, was that a mischan? <qopi> errors: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2062/ <jrib> no <jrib> k, do what it says <qopi> sudo apt-get -f update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, right? <jrib> qopi: sudo apt-get -f install <qopi> ok, looks like that is getting somewhere... <qopi> cool, that went ok <qopi> re-try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ? <jrib> yep <qopi> k <jrib> you shouldn't need to update but it won't hurt if you do <qopi> well its busy doing its thing now... <qopi> seems to be progessing ok tho, upgrading 470, 42 newly installed, 4 to remove 41 not upgraded... <jrib> k <jrib> forgot to check if ubuntu-desktop is installed <jrib> make sure you do that <qopi> and I guess the other packages I previously purged too? <qopi> i.e. x-window-system-core libwxgtk2.6-0 ubuntu-desktop libxine-main1 vlc vlc-plugin-alsa wxvlc <jrib> if you have ubuntu-base ubuntu-standard and ubuntu-desktop you should be ok, they'll pull in the other stuff <jrib> oh you don't even need -base <qopi> ok, and I think we did those lib ones earlier with the sudo apt-get -f install <jrib> yeah <jrib> qopi: note that you need to dist-upgrade twice <jrib> to get upstart <jrib> !upgrade <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes <qopi> jrib: ok, once this finished I'll do dist-upgrade again. to get upstart? <jrib> yes <jrib> assuming this one finishes successfully <qopi> ah, I see, you're referring to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades point 5 under the apt-get procedure <qopi> still, what does "get upstart" mean? <qopi> that program/package that starts up the system? <jrib> yeah <jrib> !upstart <ubotu> Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model. For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ <qopi> hmz, had a couple of problems with some of those lib packages, i.e. libisc21 and libdns, perhaps we'll have to do the wget trick on them too once its finished <qopi> hello jrib <qopi> well that has finished now <qopi> 2 errors <qopi> Errors were encountered while processing: <qopi> /var/cache/apt/archives/libisc11_1%3a9.3.2-2ubuntu3_i386.deb <qopi> /var/cache/apt/archives/libdns21_1%3a9.3.2-2ubuntu3_i386.deb <qopi> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) <qopi> shall I try wgeting and dpkging them? <jrib> qopi: is that the full error? <qopi> jrib: yes, well, that is all it says at the end <jrib> qopi: pastebin the whole thing <jrib> qopi: or is this from dist-upgrade? <qopi> yes <qopi> the whole thing is very long indeed <jrib> qopi: sudo apt-get install libisc11 pastebin that <qopi> k... <qopi> jrib: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2074/ looks very similar to what we were getting before for that other package <jrib> qopi: yeah, weird. Go ahead and try wget <qopi> jrib: wget http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/b/bind9/libisc11_9.3.2-2ubuntu1.1_i386.deb I assume? <jrib> I just use packages.ubuntu.com <jrib> that doesn't look right <qopi> yeah, after searching on packages. I found http://www.mirror.ac.uk/mirror/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/b/bind9/libisc11_9.3.2-2ubuntu3_i386.deb * qopi thinks that is right? <qopi> looking up at the previous errors that seems right to me <qopi> seems to be working so I'll try the other one too... <qopi> yep libisc11 installed <qopi> and now libdns21 installed too :) <qopi> jrib: do you think I should try to install ubuntu-desktop at this stage? <jrib> yes <qopi> ok <waky> Alle Oberbayern / Schwaben haben morschen schulfrei macht ihr tages guck http://www.tagesschau.de/ sorry for the german language #ubuntu-classroom 2007-01-19 <qopi> hey jrib, you still about? <mefistofeles> lol Im late for the ubuntu open week <mefistofeles> hehe <Tenris> Ji <jrib> biscuit: ok hi <biscuit> hi^^ <jrib> I'm going to ask you a bunch of questions because I read the scrollback and am kind of confused <biscuit> ok just start <livingdaylight> ok, here's where we actually learn something <jrib> biscuit: What is the username of the first user you created in ubuntu? <livingdaylight> ^^ <jrib> livingdaylight: sometimes :) <biscuit> the user is called ragtime which I first created <livingdaylight> jrib, you are the master teacher <jrib> biscuit: ok, which user is not working at the moment? <biscuit> ragtime is not working <jrib> biscuit: what user are you logged in as at the moment? <biscuit> I created this one in recovery mode..its called mu man <biscuit> but its not an admin user <jrib> ok, have you set a root password? <biscuit> yes I have <biscuit> but there is the other problem <jrib> ok, explain <biscuit> It seems like it doesnt work anymore <biscuit> but its still the old one I set <biscuit> thats strange <jrib> ok, so you can't su to root, right? <biscuit> exactly jrib <jrib> biscuit: but can you still reboot and get into recovery mode? <livingdaylight> jrib, i thought only admin can create second user? <biscuit> yeah thats possible <jrib> livingdaylight: he used recovery mode, logs you in as root <livingdaylight> jrib, ah...of course <jrib> biscuit: ok, well to make things easier, we can give my man sudo privileges by just adding him to the "admin" group <biscuit> and how I do this jrib? <jrib> biscuit: so, go into recovery mode and issue this command: adduser muman admin <jrib> where "muman" is the name of the user <biscuit> ok, thanks a lot :D <livingdaylight> Yet another masterclass <jrib> biscuit: if you still can't sort out the issues with ragtime, just come back <biscuit> ok, <mnoir> jrib: it this a standard use of ...-classroom? <LjL> mnoir: quite standard, yes <LjL> when they're no lesson in progress, of course <mnoir> LjL: so better than using pm? <biscuit> hm..I got some question..is this an classroom where you can learn something about ubuntu? <livingdaylight> mnoir, yes, because we got to witness a master class <LjL> mnoir: yes, other people who're interested can benefit <jrib> biscuit: we have classes sometimes, see the /topic <mnoir> biscuit: there is a regular schedule of lectures <biscuit> cool :) <mnoir> LjL: is it proper to request silence except for the person i bring here to teach? <livingdaylight> LOL <biscuit> Have some one in here experiences with maemo too? <livingdaylight> mnoir, you can try <livingdaylight> Silence in the classroom Please!!! <LjL> mnoir: hmm, no, i don't think so, unless you're the instructor for a class <LjL> but you can't just self-appoint you by joining and saying so, i believe - see the topic <livingdaylight> lol <mnoir> LjL: ok so i still will use pms when something is complex and the interruptions are getting in the way :) <jrib> mnoir: it's usually not crowded here <mnoir> jrib: i may not be being clear - often i need a less distracting forum for something tricky or somebody who is very unsure. <mnoir> heretofore i have used pm for this <mnoir> but would be willing to use the classroom if it is proper to reduce distractions <mnoir> the ubuntu world is very concerned with correctness and i wouldn't want to offend :) <LjL> mnoir: it's quite proper <livingdaylight> yes, quite <mnoir> LjL: k :) <biscuit> thank you for everything guys, I am going now in recovery mode *hehe* :) <mnoir> biscuit: bon voyage :) <livingdaylight> shame no schedules set for January yet <jrib> livingdaylight: we need ideas: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/Ideas <jrib> oh too late <LjL> we need instructors <jrib> that too <LjL> and the wiki's down <LjL> well no it isn't, it was just a short glitch <mnoir> LjL: how to volunteer? <LjL> i'm not entirely sure, i guess just poking somebody involved with the project could get you far enough <mnoir> the Classroom/Ideas web page looks kinda dead to me - the classes should be based on some statistical analysis of the irc traffic i should think. I have managed educational projects - inventing demand is usually a dead end <LjL> well still keep in mind this is on a voluntary basis, so i guess having classes that interest the *instructors* is important too <mnoir> LjL: agreed. i imagine that a list of needed classes would be a good start. I know i would be able to teach a high percentage of them but IMO the list is needed first :) <mnoir> btw commandline/unix grammar and syntax looks to me like a viable topic (with a less academic name :) ). elementary regex, auto complete, parameter spex, etc and the like <jrib> mnoir: regex does sound like a good one, add it to that ideas page <jrib> and the others too, I just like regex <LjL> well, myself i wouldn't mind having lessons about .* <mnoir> i am trying but the login is challenging me :) <biscuit> jrib, thank you it all worked now fine, everything is now ok again :) <jrib> biscuit: great <mnoir> i am thinking of the things that would enable a beginner to do a find with an exec :) though I am pretty good with regex, i am a little rusty :) <biscuit> hm I also got some other question jrib, but I dont know if its ok when I post it here its over scratchbox <LjL> also to be honest... if you just look at the most asked ubotu factoids, it's going to be mp3, java, etc (well just look at the bot's page, they're listed by popularity) <LjL> don't know about you, but *i* am not going to teach classes about *that* :P <biscuit> is it ok when I post it here jrib? <jrib> biscuit: it's better if you ask in #ubuntu, more eyes there <biscuit> I asked there already but there wasnt some solution at all <jrib> biscuit: what is scratchbox? <biscuit> its some cross compilation toolkit <biscuit> its very handy <jrib> mnoir: if you're interested in giving a class, you can add youself to the volunteer list and talk with nixternal in #ubuntu-nun when he is around <biscuit> because I got some nokia 770 and I wanted to make some packages for it with scratchbox and the fakreroot didnt worked at all, and that I wanted to know why the fakreroot was not working <mnoir> jrib: i will go find the vol list ( :) ) - the wiki seems cranky, BTW <jrib> mnoir: volunteer list on the ideas page is what I meant <mnoir> oh - I see - will do if the page ever comes up editable for me :) <Tenris> Hi... I tried to install ubuntu, but I got this error => http://www.pastebin.ca/321609 * mode/#ubuntu-classroom [+o LjL] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-classroom [+b *!*@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] by LjL * mode/#ubuntu-classroom [-o LjL] by LjL * mode/#ubuntu-classroom [+o apokryphos] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-classroom [-b *!*@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] by apokryphos * mode/#ubuntu-classroom [-o apokryphos] by apokryphos <Rio> yo <mnoir> ok - me too <mnoir> now - if i am right it is a 2 min fix, if not very easy to put back <Rio> okay <mnoir> all apache serving on ubuntu is done thru virt domains, even the 'regular' one <mnoir> so i believe you need to alter the virt def for default <Rio> def? <mnoir> (definition) pull up /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default <mnoir> or just go to the directory in case i have the name a little wrong <mnoir> by pull up i mean get in an edit mode <mnoir> is the server without X? <Rio> what do you mean, is the server without x? im running cygwin with putty.... <Rio> once logged on, i type startx in cygwin <Rio> okay, i pulled up the file <mnoir> yes - i wondered if your server has x as you can tunnel x back to your XP machine if it does <mnoir> ok - in the file you see 80? <mnoir> should be there 2x <Rio> hrmmm <mnoir> ?? <Rio> no, i dont see it <mnoir> paste the 3 first lines of the file here? <mnoir> should be NameVirtualHost etc <Rio> but i see..."allow from 636-721-3251......." if that means anything <Rio> NameVirtualHost * <Rio> <VirtualHost *> <mnoir> no number? <Rio> " ServerAdmin webmaster@localhost" <Rio> no numbers <mnoir> ok - i believe that means 'any port' so i am incorrect about you needing to change it <mnoir> i am going to test, and if i come up with anything - i will shout out in the main channel <Rio> main channel as in #ubuntu not #ubuntu-classroom <Rio> aight #ubuntu-classroom 2007-01-20 * mode/#ubuntu-classroom [+o LjL] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-classroom [-b %ubotwo!*@*] by LjL * mode/#ubuntu-classroom [-b %ubotu!*@*] by LjL * mode/#ubuntu-classroom [-o LjL] by LjL <sunshine> hi togheter <sunshine> will there be a lesson over the linux kernel someday? <sunshine> does nobody know? :( <tonyyarusso> sunshine: Someday, yes. When, I'm not sure :S <sunshine> ok thank you :) <tonyyarusso> sunshine: I'm trying to put together a schedule for 2007, so feel free to add your class requests to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/Ideas <sunshine> ok thanks a lot tonyyarusso^^ <mnoir> btw - i just had to click on the channel in my msg to you to join :) <mnoir> are you here? <OmegaCenti> Yes. :) <mnoir> ok - i wanted to answer your question without the noise but stillallow others to see if they want <OmegaCenti> wonderful. <mnoir> this channel is for formal lectures and this kind of thing as well <OmegaCenti> I will be an apt student. <mnoir> there are several standard types <mnoir> .deb is the type that is most applicable to ubuntu as it is a debian type of package <mnoir> packages in the official repositories are the most reliable but others will work <OmegaCenti> Official repositories... <mnoir> IFF they have been built with the correct lbs <mnoir> look in your /etc/apt/sources.list to see the official repositories <mnoir> that is the most direct way to see <OmegaCenti> one second <mnoir> are you comfortable at a commandline? <OmegaCenti> I am confortable with only these commands: ls, dir, cd, and that is about it :) <OmegaCenti> and man <mnoir> ok - i can prompt you the best command is > less /etc/apt/sou<press tab> <sunshine> for what is the command man? <mnoir> less is a dumper with backwards built in <OmegaCenti> ooooooooo. <OmegaCenti> Nice.! <mnoir> man is to look at the manual page (if one exists) <sunshine> ah ok thanks :) <mnoir> i advize you to understand any command b4 typing it <mnoir> man also documents file structures <OmegaCenti> less I guyess allows you to press keys before it scrolls a page? <OmegaCenti> and concats a file to the screen I assume. <mnoir> OmegaCenti: yes - like the cat command combined with the more command with backwards also so you can move around <OmegaCenti> very nice. <mnoir> man would document any of these :) <OmegaCenti> Linux seems so much more powerful then windows. <mnoir> sometimes man will refer you to info. <mnoir> it can be but it also wears it's technology a little more on the outside <mnoir> info is an emacs-like system. i do not like it but i do not like emacs. sometimes it is the only doc available <OmegaCenti> This is very much to my liking, but obviously it comes with a learning curve. <mnoir> now we are approx 15.3 miles from our subjetc :) <OmegaCenti> hahaha! <OmegaCenti> I have attention deficit disorder and have the ability to branch any conversation with seconds. <OmegaCenti> I apologize, continue :) <mnoir> you need none of this if you are willing to trust instructions w/o understanding. i don't like that <mnoir> i am trained to multiprocess so it dont bother me anyhow. <OmegaCenti> Please type rm -rf * in your nerest terminal window... <mnoir> do not even joke about that <OmegaCenti> anyone who read that please do not do so. <OmegaCenti> it will destroy your system. <mnoir> somebody will do it in the other channel and start crying <gnomefreak> OmegaCenti: dont even need to bring it up * OmegaCenti bows his head in shame <sunshine> lol <mnoir> ubuntu is (sometimes painfully) politically correct to beginners <OmegaCenti> Okay So i checked the repositories and noticed there were 2 listed in the file <OmegaCenti> those are where most packaged that are safe for ubuntu come from I assume. <mnoir> i believe that beginners should be made to read manuals and doc. but the rules here do not allow forceful recommendations of this :) <mnoir> should have been more - pls pastebin your file <OmegaCenti> I am unfamiliar with the term "pastebin" <OmegaCenti> wait.. I see 6 now. <mnoir> go here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org and when you have a uri paste that uri here and then i go there to look <mnoir> what - they suddenly appeared ? <mnoir> i doubt it :) <OmegaCenti> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2330/ <mnoir> anyhow, if you go outside of these repositories, things may not work as expected but that is something to handle at the time you do it <OmegaCenti> I thought they were all located at the top. <OmegaCenti> but they are commented out. <mnoir> ok - looks fine. you should read about universe and multiverse - chances you will want to enable them <OmegaCenti> :-D <sunshine> I sudo the same as when I looged in as the root user? <mnoir> pause for questions then on to the next class of things <OmegaCenti> no questions. <mnoir> sudo is not logging on as root unless you do it in a not recommended fashion <mnoir> ok - there are other package systems <mnoir> there is a conversion pgm to .deb <OmegaCenti> pgm == program? <mnoir> whay would you want to use an alien package? <mnoir> yes - pgm=program and i will stick that in auto complete shortly <OmegaCenti> BEcause it has functionality (maybe) that is not provided in the current package manager? <sunshine> mnoir , the problem is now, it was with my device the nokia 700, the root passsword is empty, I cant become root with gainroot but I can execude commands with sudo...that was the why I ask <mnoir> yes maybe but it is not the manager we are interested in - it is the package :) if you try to install an alien package there is even more chance it has the wrong libs but, again, you might want to try it. <mnoir> sunshine - you might want to discuss in the main channel :) <OmegaCenti> if it does have wrong libs, can my system be compromised? <mnoir> not usually, just the package will not work <OmegaCenti> is there a clean removal system to remove the package? <mnoir> yes and no <sunshine> ok^^...I ll do this than later :) <OmegaCenti> goodluck sunshine :) <sunshine> thank you OmegaCenti :-D <mnoir> if it was a deb when installed, the remove is clean but dependencies are not removed unless certain steps are taken <OmegaCenti> With enough practice wold I be able to find all the dependencies and remove them myself without fear of harming the system? <mnoir> easier - there are orphan harvesters <OmegaCenti> ?! <OmegaCenti> !orphan harvesters <mnoir> an orphan is a package that nobody depends on <OmegaCenti> oh my. <OmegaCenti> wow. <mnoir> there are several available - gtkorphan and sumpin built into synaptic starting in 6.10 for starters <OmegaCenti> I have 6.1 <mnoir> ok - then you can try it when the time comes :) <OmegaCenti> synpatic is the package manage correct? <mnoir> btw, it is 6.10 cuz 10 is the month - a stupid standard but very typical ubuntu <OmegaCenti> then I will refer to it as 6.10 <mnoir> helps :) <OmegaCenti> :) <mnoir> so the next class of package <mnoir> source <mnoir> meaning a complete package from which something can be built and installed <OmegaCenti> including library? <mnoir> occasionally you might want to do so <OmegaCenti> Im sorry I do not understand the last comment. Clarify please? <mnoir> not if they are available separately and separately is usual <mnoir> occasionally you might want or need to build from source <mnoir> pause <OmegaCenti> So then would the source provider have to tell you which libraries you need to incorporate in order to use their product? <mnoir> by definition a package tells you that in build readable form <OmegaCenti> .. <mnoir> otherwise it is not a package in my opinion <mnoir> remember dependencies :) <OmegaCenti> so a source package != source code. <mnoir> it is, plus build definition <mnoir> i just built something that came with a compiler <OmegaCenti> I see, and this build definition can be threaded through some program that automatically reads this build definition and grabs the needed libraries automatically? <mnoir> linus is VERY GOOD about this stuff if you stick to the packages :) <mnoir> i was about to explain the long and difficult command to build :) <OmegaCenti> hahaha. Then continues if you will please :) <mnoir> ./configure;make;make test;make install <mnoir> that's it for a proper package <OmegaCenti> really? <OmegaCenti> I am going to save that in a notepad right now. <mnoir> actually replace the ; with && <mnoir> but i make it in 4 stmts instead <OmegaCenti> NExt proble,m, I just tried to right click my desktop and right click new documents... nothing is there. <mnoir> ?? sec <OmegaCenti> create documents is empty <mnoir> not even empty file? <OmegaCenti> one sec. <OmegaCenti> I apologize. Empty file is there. <mnoir> i have 2 lines - 'no templates installed' and empty file <OmegaCenti> no templated installed. <OmegaCenti> yes. <mnoir> i do not know what kind of templates it is looking for <OmegaCenti> My apologies for not being more observanmt of want is presented before me. <sunshine> what is the command to telnet to another machine in linux? <mnoir> time to ask in the channel :) <mnoir> sunshine - if you have to use telnet, the command is telnet <sunshine> hm okay..sounds logically^^ <mnoir> ssh is preferable and the main channel is preferable for the question <sunshine> ok <mnoir> as i understand it, this channel is for the kind of thing i am doing - an extended conversation on a topic :) <mnoir> OmegaCenti: so next class of 'package'? <OmegaCenti> when I do: ./configure;make;make test;make install does int install it to the current directory or does it magically know where it wants to be placed? <mnoir> the build will dictate <mnoir> also -the install step will usually require privs <OmegaCenti> privalages. <OmegaCenti> How do I give it said privs? <mnoir> the build woll accept spex as to where to install if there are choices <mnoir> sudo <OmegaCenti> ah <OmegaCenti> sudo is temporary root privalges to the next few commands correct? <mnoir> sudo is a mechanism for DOing something as SUperuser <OmegaCenti> How do I revoke sudo nonce entered? <mnoir> NO - 1 command <OmegaCenti> uh..... <OmegaCenti> ? <mnoir> sudo will remember your password for a short time <OmegaCenti> I would type no -1 afterwords. <mnoir> you can revoke that <mnoir> no <mnoir> sudo only works for the command presented as parameter <OmegaCenti> ah <OmegaCenti> I need to find the usage of sudo then <mnoir> there are several parms that make longer the period for root privs but i strongly discourage them <OmegaCenti> Would you mind for a sandbox example of installing to package named fubar in this chat? <OmegaCenti> So as to treat this as a terminal window? <mnoir> no problem - it already exists in the repositories <OmegaCenti> in the list thing you provided earlier?? <mnoir> but uing this as a term window would not be very easy - how about you just use your own sandbox? <OmegaCenti> ... <mnoir> OmegaCenti: we will need to enable 1 more repo <OmegaCenti> just to pretent. <OmegaCenti> pretend. <mnoir> that is what the sandbox is for :) <OmegaCenti> lol? I am not sure if we are miscommunicating? which sandbox are you referring to? <mnoir> i am suggesting you just use yours :) <OmegaCenti> then I should start typing in this window as If I was about to install fubar? <mnoir> not in this - in a terminal window after we make sure you have an acceptable sandbox <OmegaCenti> ah. <OmegaCenti> then carry on if you would please. <OmegaCenti> I dont know of any source packages to install <mnoir> in a terminal <OmegaCenti> okay a terminal is open <mnoir> type cd to make sure you are in your home dir <mnoir> did you just open it? <OmegaCenti> username@pcname:~$ <OmegaCenti> yes. <mnoir> cool - type mkdir sandbox <mnoir> type cd sandbox <OmegaCenti> sandbox is now there <mnoir> type touch aaa <OmegaCenti> im in sandbox <OmegaCenti> I touched something. <mnoir> i am one cmd ahead of you :) <OmegaCenti> lol <mnoir> type ls <mnoir> to confirm it is there <OmegaCenti> aaa shows up as a file I suppose. <mnoir> type ls -l to see some details <mnoir> type rm aaa to remove it <OmegaCenti> cool <OmegaCenti> game me permissions. <mnoir> yep <mnoir> ok - rm it <OmegaCenti> did. <mnoir> ok this is where we can play <OmegaCenti> no longer there with another ls command. <OmegaCenti> sweet. <mnoir> type ls -la to see that it is empty except for . and .. <OmegaCenti> it did weird things <OmegaCenti> said total 8 <mnoir> ?? <OmegaCenti> then two more lines and some stuff <OmegaCenti> Is it okay to post the next to lines in this chat? <OmegaCenti> it would reveal my username. <mnoir> usr name is not a secure thing unless you use it as a pswd <OmegaCenti> okay <OmegaCenti> drwxr-xr-x 2 omegacenti omegacenti 4096 2007-01-20 15:24 . <OmegaCenti> drwxr-xr-x 19 omegacenti omegacenti 4096 2007-01-20 15:23 .. <mnoir> looks fine :) <OmegaCenti> if only I knew what the first bit of line meant. <mnoir> i need to run the command that i am going to give to you, sec <mnoir> d=directory, the rest is perms. use man ls to read more while i play for a sec <mnoir> and i am ready for you with the command when you are <OmegaCenti> Thankyou so much for giving me so much time to learn all that you are teaching me. <OmegaCenti> sure. <mnoir> part of this is an exercize for me - i have just volunteered to teach in this channel and i want to make sure i can <OmegaCenti> Then I do have to say you are doing a great job of staying on topic and moving the conversation forward at an educational pace. <mnoir> i have teaching credentials :) <OmegaCenti> :-D <mnoir> so you want to move on or study how ls works? <OmegaCenti> which would you recommend? <mnoir> move on - learning about the output of ls is trivial and you have the tools already to do it <OmegaCenti> wonderful <OmegaCenti> lets move on <mnoir> if you want success at linux, it is necessary that you can do that on your own but do not hesitate to ask for help on it :) <mnoir> you still in sandbox? <OmegaCenti> I shall keep such wisdom in mind :) <OmegaCenti> yes I am still in sandbox directory <mnoir> source packages download to curr dir which is a different behavior from binary packages <OmegaCenti> how are they "downloaded" to curr dir. <OmegaCenti> ? <mnoir> so we can d/l the hellow world package to your sandbox after we get the tools to build <OmegaCenti> okay <mnoir> d/l is done using the same tool as install <OmegaCenti> oy one thing mnoir... do you know how in the world to disable tapping on this damned touchpad? <mnoir> ooh - i have forgotten but please tell me when you learn - it is annoying to me too and there are many who will tell you how to do it! <mnoir> just not annoying enuf (lappy is a secondary system) <mnoir> :) <OmegaCenti> thankyou. it is bugging me when I am typing and I magically appear in the middle of my sentence with the end of the sentence. <OmegaCenti> onward. <mnoir> so we need to install build-essentials <mnoir> how do you install packages now? <OmegaCenti> alrighty then. <OmegaCenti> I travel to synaptics (******something) and navigate blindly or search for words I hear every once and a while from chatrooms. <mnoir> ok - fire up synaptic <OmegaCenti> like konversation is now installed by searching for konversation in synaptivs. <OmegaCenti> It is open. <mnoir> then search for build-essentials <OmegaCenti> it was found in the left columns. <mnoir> it is a metapackage containing lots of tools needed for building <mnoir> install it <OmegaCenti> one sec. <mnoir> (several secs) :) <nothlit> sunshine, sudo -i is the same as logging in as root <OmegaCenti> hm... I am clicking it and right clicking it... nothing is showing up. <mnoir> ?? <OmegaCenti> under ALL there is build essentials... but in the right windows where stuff usually shows up nothing is showing up. <OmegaCenti> should I reload? <mnoir> sorry - name is build-essential <mnoir> search for that <OmegaCenti> found <OmegaCenti> stuff in right window found. <mnoir> installit <OmegaCenti> :) <OmegaCenti> everything in the window? <nothlit> !aptitude <OmegaCenti> build-essential...devscripts, dh-buildinfo <mnoir> you just marked 1 and it marked the rest yes? <OmegaCenti> no I havent even marked, I was worried so I did nothing without your prompt. <mnoir> fine - ok - just mark build-essentials for install <OmegaCenti> okay. <mnoir> then apply - several things should ne installed by this <OmegaCenti> it is marked. Should I click apply? <mnoir> yes <OmegaCenti> 8 megs to be downloaded. <nothlit> oh anyways, OmegaCenti if you use aptitude to install things instead of synaptic or apt-get, it tracks it, and can automatically uninstall no longer needed dependencies for you <mnoir> nothlit: 1. that ability is now in synaptic i believe <OmegaCenti> mnoir: do you agree with nothlit? <mnoir> OmegaCenti: no sure but this can be verified at another time. for our conversation it is just a distraction <nothlit> mnoir, in synaptic or apt-get? LjL told me he tried the apt-get auto-remove, and it didn't work very well <OmegaCenti> Oh well, thankyou nothlit anyways :) I appreciate it. <mnoir> ok ok - this is not the time or place - this is not a general discussion channel - #ubuntu is <OmegaCenti> it is installed and I am awaiting your command mnoir <mnoir> everything i say is subject to verification :) but -classroom is not supposed to be like the main channel :) <mnoir> ok - now we get the source package. i have not figured out how to do so with synaptic so go back to your terminal <OmegaCenti> I djennings@example.org. <mnoir> ok - here is the command: apt-get source hello <OmegaCenti> one sec. <mnoir> it might not work if the repo is not enabled but try it first <OmegaCenti> is there a way to hit ctrl -v in the temrinal window so it pastes using keyboard shortcuts? <mnoir> yes <OmegaCenti> is it worth it to interrupt the conversation to quickly do so? <mnoir> ctrl-c and v should work - they do for me <mnoir> we can <OmegaCenti> it types ^V in the terminal when I hit the combination of keys. <mnoir> hmm - ?? <OmegaCenti> I will try again. <OmegaCenti> one sec. <mnoir> doesnt for me :) <nothlit> mnoir, i know what -classroom is for, but we're allowed to pop advice in :P <OmegaCenti> it still does it. <mnoir> what about rt-click paste? <OmegaCenti> gnometemrinal 2.16.1 <OmegaCenti> one sec. <OmegaCenti> that works... it just bugs me. <mnoir> dunno... <mnoir> i am running into a time problem - <OmegaCenti> it is getting hello <mnoir> i need 45 min to feed the sheep <nothlit> in gnome-terminal, you use ctrl+shift+c and cltrl+shift+v <OmegaCenti> if so then I will leave you to your needs. <mnoir> i can be bback then <OmegaCenti> by all means mnoir, thankyou for you ample amounts of time spent to teach me. <nothlit> because ctrl+c would terminate your currently running application <OmegaCenti> I will wait If I can, if not I will pm you and give you a reason for leaving. <OmegaCenti> nothlit: thankyou. <mnoir> nothlit: ahh - good point :) <mnoir> OmegaCenti: ok - bbs * OmegaCenti loves linux <OmegaCenti> Im going to set up my other mail accounts in the mean time. <nothlit> OmegaCenti, the first bit of ls -l are permissions <OmegaCenti> oh okay :) <OmegaCenti> sorry was configuring email. :) <OmegaCenti> Ill be back in a few mins.. <mnoir> i'm back sheep are fed <mnoir> :) <mnoir> if your source install finished successfully, you will have several new things in your sandbox <OmegaCenti> back <mnoir> good - metoo <mnoir> sheeps fed <mnoir> we are very close to the end <OmegaCenti> I unfortnately just setup my emails in evolution and then evolution got all my accounts and deleted the messages from the server... <OmegaCenti> I am not too happy about that. <mnoir> whenever setting up new email accounts, i disable delete from server until i like waht i see <mnoir> so lets get to a logical point like looking at the source pkg and successfully building a standard package <OmegaCenti> sure. <mnoir> if your source install finished successfully, you will have several new things in your sandbox <mnoir> verify? <OmegaCenti> one sec switching rooms * mnoir has only one dataprocessing room :) <OmegaCenti> lol I move wherver is comfortable with my laptop :) <OmegaCenti> okay so lets verify in the sandbox.. <OmegaCenti> .gz, .dsc, .gz <mnoir> should have a dir and a couple of files <OmegaCenti> and a dir <OmegaCenti> yep <mnoir> the files are admin overhead for a std pkg <OmegaCenti> std == standard? <OmegaCenti> !admin overhead. <mnoir> there is a lot of doc on how pkgs are built <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about admin overhead. - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi <mnoir> yes <OmegaCenti> alright moving on <mnoir> package control and other things <OmegaCenti> do I need to keep these files after everything said and done? <OmegaCenti> I guess we will get to that <OmegaCenti> continue <mnoir> after install. the entire thing is optional <mnoir> for plain vanilla builds i rerely keep it all but it is only disk space <mnoir> rarely* <mnoir> so cd into the directory <OmegaCenti> so i will delete it then <OmegaCenti> im in dir <mnoir> ls <OmegaCenti> did <mnoir> note - a lot of things in a standard pkg! <OmegaCenti> YEP! <OmegaCenti> a lot of stuff I do not djennings@example.org. <mnoir> man pages, doc, instructions, etc, etc, etc <OmegaCenti> gibberish would make more sense. <mnoir> this is an example package - meant to show how a package is put together <OmegaCenti> cool :) <mnoir> so it contains the ideal <OmegaCenti> names like po should be renamed.... <mnoir> then the eggheads would have to learn english <OmegaCenti> :) <mnoir> ok - in every good package is the file INSTALL and if you can read it (it is very good in my opinion) you do not need me anymore :) <OmegaCenti> one sec. <OmegaCenti> less install? <mnoir> get another terminal window in that directory and less INSTALL <OmegaCenti> get another terminal window... just click terminal again under applications? <mnoir> yes <OmegaCenti> one sec. <mnoir> you could probably use a tab in one window but i like mult windows for instructions and doing <OmegaCenti> there are intstructions <OmegaCenti> Do you wish me to read them? <mnoir> btw - left btn will highlight, middle mouse btn will paste whatever is highlit <mnoir> sorry - i had locked the screen <OmegaCenti> I have no middle button :( <OmegaCenti> how do you lick the screen? <mnoir> in the less win, type /sim and press enter <OmegaCenti> lock heheheheh. <OmegaCenti> not found <mnoir> in konv, you scroll up :) <OmegaCenti> oh the simplest way to install the package is: <mnoir> are you looking at file contents of INSTALL? <OmegaCenti> yes <mnoir> 1st line is Copyright?? <OmegaCenti> I cant tell now, I typed /sim <enteR> <OmegaCenti> and now I am at the part that tells you how to install. <mnoir> ah - good that is what i wanted to show you - that less has search ability <mnoir> so you see first step is ./configure? <OmegaCenti> yep <mnoir> do that in your other screen in the correct dir <OmegaCenti> Is it okay to write to the windows partition? I am deathly afraid of losing all this mail that I downloaded. <mnoir> ?? - your home dir is in a win partition? <OmegaCenti> configure is done. <OmegaCenti> no <OmegaCenti> but the email i donwloaded is on this linux partition and I would like to back it up to the windows partition. <mnoir> complete question with context then - i am lost <mnoir> ois <mnoir> oh - I see <mnoir> is it ntfs or fat? <OmegaCenti> ntfs <mnoir> did you install special write ability? <OmegaCenti> dunno. <OmegaCenti> it is mounted though <mnoir> then you will not be able to <mnoir> ntfs requires special hacks to be writable and it is not recommended <OmegaCenti> I assume the default install of the olive cd does not include special write ability <OmegaCenti> okay... <OmegaCenti> then later I will write the email to a cd. <OmegaCenti> and save it for all eternity. <mnoir> is it a lot of mail - if not - send it back out to yourself after disabling mail download <OmegaCenti> its a LOT of mail. <mnoir> oh - I see <OmegaCenti> and I dont quite know how to send it back. <OmegaCenti> I am attemptig to foward it back to my address. <mnoir> if you are going to be tween win and ubuntu i recommend a fat partition for pivot purposes <OmegaCenti> I see. <mnoir> that can be written to from both sides :) <OmegaCenti> can I convert ntfs to fat? <mnoir> without much risk <nothlit> !ntfs-3g OmegaCenti, for later <ubotu> ntfs-3g: Third generation Linux NTFS driver. In component universe, is optional. Version 20060920-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 30 kB, installed size 112 kB <mnoir> that is a win topic - i don't know, dont think so and wouldnt w/o backup <nothlit> no you cannot convert ntfs to fat <mnoir> if you fel you can get that under control, lets finish up <nothlit> !ntfs-3g <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy) <mnoir> back on topic pls <nothlit> I said for later T.T <mnoir> may i continue? <OmegaCenti> WOO HOOO!!!! it archived the mail ong gmail!!! never mind. I am back to my former self. On with the wisdom. <OmegaCenti> mnoir, I thankyou for your patience. I apologize for interupting so. <mnoir> ok - so you are ready to do step 1? <OmegaCenti> yes. <OmegaCenti> .configure was succesful <mnoir> not you i am concerned with <mnoir> ok - that detected all your tools and that a build will work :) <nothlit> mnoir, if you expect absolute silence you can use pms or a secret room <mnoir> nothit this is -classroom and i understand that the way i am managing is expected and proper <OmegaCenti> sweet <nothlit> I'm just saying if you don't want people to butt in, then you can do
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