#ubuntu-us-wa 2011-11-09
<cj> o/
<cj> EHLO androidbruce@localhost
<androidbruce> lol cj 
#ubuntu-us-wa 2011-11-10
<valorie> nice to see you again, cj
#ubuntu-us-wa 2011-11-11
<cj> o/
<cj> oh, wait.  I just said that :)
<cj> \o
<valorie> lol
 * valorie shares the homemade soup around the channel
<cj> nice!
<Salt> does it fix bones?
<valorie> what's wrong with your bones?
<valorie> the broth is made from bones, so yes
<valorie> it'll fix 'em all up
<valorie> the best thing is that I discovered some dried mushrooms
<valorie> OMG it was the best soup evar
<Salt> eww mushrooms
 * valorie picks them out from Salt's bowl and eats them herself!
#ubuntu-us-wa 2011-11-12
<cj> woe.  re-keying is a pita
<valorie> what do you have to re-key, cj?
 * bkerensa pokes valorie and other WA folks
 * bkerensa waves
 * valorie pokes bkerensa back
<bkerensa> How goes the weather for my neighbors to the north?
<valorie> we had a spate of hail earlier!
<valorie> by the time I went to look it was all melted though
<valorie> now sort of cold and damp out
<valorie> how about Portland?
<valorie> and has the mayor started moving Occupy P. out, yet?
<bkerensa> Well weather.com said it was 46 today but it felt like mid 30's and was foggy on my part of the city in the afternoon
<bkerensa> very cold atm
<bkerensa> :D
<bkerensa> heater is running at overclocked rate :P
<valorie> furnace is running here as well
<bkerensa> I think it will be a cold winter
<bkerensa> Lucky I will be in California for Christmas
<valorie> we've had a couple of hard freezes, but it's not quite that cold tonight
<valorie> I like a cold winter, as long as it's not 3 feet of snow
<valorie> that's a bit overkill
<bkerensa> Oh it hasnt snowed that much in the years I have been here
<bkerensa> just a few inches
<bkerensa> I fear Ice more than I do snow
<valorie> how many years have you lived there?
 * bkerensa takes Public Transit so walking on frozen sidewalks is much like ice skating
<bkerensa> valorie: Almost three now
<valorie> there was a pretty bad storm 2 or 3 years ago
<valorie> ok
<bkerensa> yeah
<bkerensa> it was only a foot or so
<valorie> it was hell here
<bkerensa> I was on the bus at the time and they had to kick everyone off and people left their cars on the freeway
<valorie> fortunately I have a subaru
<valorie> that's the one
<bkerensa> I have seen worse snow in the Sierra Nevedas
<bkerensa> like near Truckee
<valorie> my daughter almost died from a kidney infection
<bkerensa> Snow that would put the fear in people :P
<valorie> she couldn't get to the hospital so I had to drive up to north seattle and take her
<bkerensa> Bodie, CA gets pretty intense snow too.... Thats where the Marines do their Winter Warfare Training
<bkerensa> wow
<valorie> she was hospitalized over Xmas that year
<bkerensa> thats not good
<valorie> well, I was able to get her there
<bkerensa> yeah
<valorie> so it ended up good
<valorie> she's alive
<bkerensa> valorie: You live in Seattle too right or a suburb?
 * bkerensa wants to make a trip up there sometime before the spring
<valorie> an hour south-east
<bkerensa> My two friends that were in Seattle both left :P
<valorie> right outside of the little village of Black Diamond
<bkerensa> just Finn now
<valorie> it's a fun city
 * bkerensa would mostly just be coming up to see Finn and maybe attend a WA LoCo event
<bkerensa> Gotta be a month or two after Christmas because my California trip is going to be spendy
 * bkerensa is unsure how some Ubuntu Members can afford to travel so much
<bkerensa> seems like everyone except for me is going to every event regardless of its location
<bkerensa> =o
<valorie> well, I only go to UDS if I'm sponsored
<valorie> same with the KDE events
<valorie> that's how I can afford Switzerland and German
<valorie> y
<valorie> :-)
<bkerensa> hmm :)
<bkerensa> lucky you
<bkerensa> LOL
 * bkerensa will apply for UDS next year if it is in country
 * bkerensa doesnt much want to go to Europe
<bkerensa> :D
<valorie> wow
<valorie> I so much want to go to europe again
<bkerensa> valorie: My friday evening - http://i.imgur.com/CVceT.png
<valorie> ha
<bkerensa> :P
<valorie> I built tomahawk and some of its components
<valorie> after spending the day shepherding my dad to the doctor and back
<valorie> thank goodness we went out for pizza!
<bkerensa> :D
<bkerensa> a tomahawk like a axe or?
<valorie> see gettomahawk.com
<valorie> it's a way to share your music and playlists legally
<valorie> I wanted the latest, though
<bkerensa> ?
<bkerensa> wait
<bkerensa> share music legally?
<bkerensa> -.o
<bkerensa> did I miss a legal ruling of some sort? :P
<bkerensa> valorie: You can share music with people over the internet? Like stream or actually send mp3s?
<valorie> just stream
<bkerensa> valorie: How do you find people to share with?
 * bkerensa is install now
<valorie> rodriguezcrystal@example.org - add me
<valorie> the guys in the chan are good about sharing as well
<valorie> #tomahawk
<bkerensa> cool
<bkerensa> valorie: ok added you
<valorie> do you have a gmail or jabber?
<valorie> I'll add you back
<valorie> twitter thing isn't working for me right now
<bkerensa> valorie: rodriguezcrystal@example.org
<bkerensa> valorie: It said you added me
<bkerensa> did you get my request
<bkerensa> =o
 * bkerensa is trying to figure this out... it looks and sounds cool but no idea how it works :P
<valorie> I think the only thing we have to do is add one another
 * valorie is listening to a podcast right now on amarok
<valorie> so I'm no fun
<valorie> although when you see my collection, you can play anything I have as long as I'm online
<bkerensa> oh cool
<bkerensa> valorie: wow someone in #tomahawk added me :D this is fun
<valorie> yep, it seems new and different to me
<bkerensa> valorie: Seems like Napster remixed to me
<bkerensa> :D
<valorie> ultimately, if you have a wide enough network, you should be able to hear just about anything
<bkerensa> valorie: Only well people are online though?
<bkerensa> :D
<bkerensa> They need some kind of central list system to find people
<valorie> I think they feel that once it gets popular, people will just friend their friends
<valorie> also the good thing is that lots of linux people leave their computers on all the time
<valorie> you could find people on their forums, but they are full of spam
<valorie> :(
<bkerensa> valorie: Do you have any copies of old speaker proposals?
 * bkerensa is wanting to practice writing one on FOSS Evangelism and needs a guide
<valorie> bkerensa: I've never written a speaker proposal
<valorie> but I sure need to start
<valorie> :-)
#ubuntu-us-wa 2011-11-18
<ievans3024> may not be the place to ask, but anybody on here have experience getting X to work in arch-based distros?
<ievans3024> this is the one place where i fail every time
<bkerensa> ni ni
<ievans3024> well, i got X up and running but now nobody can log in
<ievans3024> i'll figure it out
#ubuntu-us-wa 2011-11-19
<bkerensa> valorie: Ubuntu Oregon is teaming up with Debian for a event on the weekend of Dec 3/4 if anyone in WA is interested.... It will be a Debian/Ubuntu Local Jam
<bkerensa> :D
<bkerensa> just have anyone interested in coming ping me directly until we do our coordinated announcement early next week :D
<valorie> that sounds awesome
<valorie> I'll see what's on the calendar -- I know I have to take my dad to a couple of doctor's appts
<valorie> but I would so LOVE to come down
<valorie> and get away from here!
<valorie> lol
<bkerensa> valorie: Yeah I'm stoked to learn about packaging not that I want to ever be a Ubuntu Dev but I would like to package some stuff up :D
<valorie> packagers rock -- they give us our distro, basically
<valorie> I love our kubuntu team 
<valorie> ok, off to dinner
<dougpiston> to funny, hello androidbruce 
#ubuntu-us-wa 2011-11-21
<dougpiston> rowdy group
<androidbruce> dougpiston, not a lot of action in here lately man 
<androidbruce> not enough users in this group 
#ubuntu-us-wa 2011-11-22
<Salt> androidbruce, thought i saw you somewhere else :P
#ubuntu-us-wa 2011-11-23
<androidbruce> Salt, ha yeah 
<androidbruce> pfsense is good times 
<Salt> been working at getting it up for a while now, having many difficulties
<androidbruce> Salt, really? for your home or business? 
<androidbruce> are you coming from a different firewall?
<Salt> both
<androidbruce> ah 
<androidbruce> what issues are you running into?
<Salt> it's an odd setup, i've got a line coming into a modem/router, from there i have it going into my tower that contains a number of vm's
<androidbruce> pfsense one of the vm's?
<androidbruce> so you're dealing with virtual interfaces the entire time?
<Salt> sec sec
<Salt> :p
<Salt> the first vm is pfsense and all traffic is routed to there, from there, there are a number of other virtual devices that need internet, there's the host box which needs net that's been filtered through pf, and a switch for other physical devices
<seattlegaucho> who has any AWS experience around here?
<androidbruce> seattlegaucho, i gotta run, but i love AWS
<seattlegaucho> :/
<Salt> androidbruce, before you go respond to me in ##pfsense :P
<seattlegaucho> I was fishing for howto before I google it and wade through the spam
 * seattlegaucho .oO( time to go home ... I'll hit androidbruce again tomorrow )
<androidbruce> seattlegaucho, im here 
<androidbruce> Salt, i've never tried using the IP command in pfsense shell 
<Salt> androidbruce, it isn't there
<androidbruce> Salt, why do you need it again?
<Salt> oh, just for debugging
<bkerensa> valorie: What is the state of Ubuntu WA LoCo? 
<Salt> fairly inactive
<bkerensa> Yeah
<Salt> however there's interest and it's waxed and waned over the last year
<Salt> before that it was silent for a year or so
<bkerensa> But I noticed there had been some discussion on mailing list about developing some steam?
<Salt> before that it was quite active
<bkerensa> Hmm
<Salt> i don't think i'm on the mailing list anymore
<bkerensa> Is there a Team Lead or Contact for Ubuntu WA?
<Salt> that's a large part of the problem
<Salt> though it may have been fixed, you'd have to talk to valorie 
<bkerensa> kk
<Salt> what area are you in?
<valorie> hmmm, I don't know that it has been fixed entirely, but Linda is listed at least - along with Chuck
<bkerensa> Just wondering if it was resource based or just lack of activity. If you guys need hosting or something Ubuntu Oregon could likely help out
<valorie> oddly enough, there is supposed to be just one
<valorie> so......
<valorie> hosting?
<bkerensa> Salt: I'm in Portland we actually have people come down from Southern WA :)
<valorie> Canonical offers hosting
<Salt> yeah, i used to be one of the leads for ubuntu pnw
<Salt> but we were told by canonical to split due to loco's being per-state
<bkerensa> valorie: Actually I think leads and how that is structured is up to the LoCo and what works best for them... I know some LoCo's have a entire team of leaders and then just one contact
<bkerensa> =o
<valorie> I think that turned out to be a mistake, salt
<Salt> valorie, who doesn't?
<valorie> although I think they like everything to be the same
<bkerensa> Salt: Yeah I have heard the history from dshufelt and others
<Salt> we all told them it was a mistake at the time
<Salt> oh yeah? still talk with dan?
<valorie> sorta stopped energy
<Salt> he out of the af yet/
<bkerensa> valorie: Not to sound negative towards LoCo Council but I have had them tell me one thing and then months later they changed position.... Like when I asked about what to do about PNW's assets... Paultag said it would be best to have it become a regional resource or kept for archival purposes
<valorie> the list still works, at least
<bkerensa> but when I checked with czajkowski.... I got a odd and different response so I kind of just left it alone
<valorie> I have a feeling that that was Paul's opinion
<valorie> and I believe he's now out of the CC
 * valorie met him at the GSoC Mentor's Summit
<bkerensa> valorie: Yeah likely... but he said to follow up in two weeks and if I didnt get a response from dshufelt who was the owner of assets he would begin the process of re-delegating them.... I just know that PNW stuff confuses people still today
<valorie> I'm still confused.....
<bkerensa> valorie: I think he is still on Loco Council though
<bkerensa> valorie: Yeah :D
<valorie> they just had an election
<bkerensa> valorie: I met Linda at OSCON right?
<valorie> saw it in the last Weekly
<valorie> yes, she was at OSCON this summer
<Salt> i'm considering hitting scale this year
<bkerensa> valorie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil <-- he is still listed but then again Ubuntu Wiki's are notoriously outdated :P
<valorie> cool!
<valorie> unfortunately, with the shape my dad's in, I don't think I'll make it down
<valorie> I was hoping to get a talk together
<bkerensa> I wish I could do scale but without any sponsorship that would be unlikely..... But I think next year will have plenty of events for me
<bkerensa> :D
<valorie> talks are the key
<Salt> i have free room, i think i have free entry, and i found $60 one way tickets
<valorie> NICE
<Salt> bah, i really need to get something together for gslug next month, this month i ended up cancelling
<Salt> first one in 4 year
<bkerensa> valorie: Does Linda use IRC? I just hope to see you guys on the way to approval someday :D I think that is a key ingredient to keeping a LoCo from going dormant
<valorie> I thought I was busy before, but since my dad broke his hip this time, I've had massively less for anything else.....
<valorie> bkerensa: very rarely now
<valorie> between her job and her daughter, she is one busy lady
<bkerensa> valorie: Have you considered possibly stepping up? :) I know its a busy task and your already likely more busy then me :D
<valorie> that's the problem -- we have some great people, but all of them very time-challenged
<bkerensa> ahh :D
<valorie> I've considered it, yes -- but it is impossible right now
<valorie> sec
<bkerensa> valorie: Someone applied for Membership from WA at the same day as me and got approved but they asked if he participated in the LoCo and I think his answer was no? I was kind of wondering what that was about
<bkerensa> k
<valorie> back
<valorie> I noticed that -- sorry I couldn't be there, by the way -- he's been in the channel before, but if I recall correctly, he lives in Wenatchee
<Salt> running a group is easy, but it requires putting a constant amount of effort in and that's very hard to maintain
<valorie> right, I've held a number of leadership positions in the past, and i know I don't have the time to do a good job
<valorie> actually, when I got involved, I didn't know any of the history, and didn't know that Linda had just started things up again
<bkerensa> valorie: Yeah requires lots of hours.... The survey Jono did suggested some people actually contribute the equal of a part-time job in hours to their roles in Ubuntu
<valorie> for sure
<bkerensa> Just because I'm Ubuntu Oregon Team Lead I get requested into other roles etc
<valorie> right now, my KDE job(s) are sucking up time -- and that's after dealing with my dad situation
<bkerensa> Like organizing the Debian/Ubuntu Jam that is going to occur in December
<valorie> right, finding people to take on responsibility is ..... fun
<valorie> :-)
<bkerensa> valorie: It is nearly impossible
<bkerensa> I keep trying to delegate stuff out and people volunteer but dont follow through very well =/
<bkerensa> I was really disappointed that one person at the global jam was actually complaining about "the lack of swag"
<valorie> ours is the other way around -- we have lots of people who used to do a lot of stuff, and now are busy with other things
<valorie> oh geez
<bkerensa> I was like uhh.... We had nearly a grand in sponsored catering and swag 
<valorie> that's amazing!
<bkerensa> catering/venue/swag
<valorie> we've never had swag beyond what linda and I have bought, since I was involved
<Salt> before that we had what dan got us
<valorie> lining up that stuff takes time and chutzpa
<valorie> I missed those halcyon days.....
<Salt> which reminds me, you heard from dan bkerensa ?
<bkerensa> valorie: Well for every event I have run thus far I have had a box of t-shirts sponsored and I usually reach out to ThinkGeek, LinuxJournal, Ubuntu User and a list of other companies and ask them to sponsor some swag or gift cards
<valorie> that's awesome
<bkerensa> Salt: Uhh yeah he comes on IRC sometimes.... He also +1's stuff I post on G+ now and then but he doesnt talk to much
<valorie> we need to find a bkerensa for Washington LoCo!
<bkerensa> I think I have had 4 conversations with him and two e-mail exchanges
<Salt> hmm, i should prob follow him there
<Salt> oh, so you don't like know him :P
<bkerensa> valorie: And to think that I'm trying to mimic the skill of pleia2 and other LoCo leaders
<bkerensa> :D
<bkerensa> Salt: Nope not yet but he told me he plans on eventually coming back to Oregon someday and wants to participate :D
<bkerensa> Well I better be off to count sheep... Goodnight everyone!
<Salt> g'night bkerensa 
<valorie> sweet dreams, bkerensa
<seattlegaucho> androidbruce: I wasn't at that time :)
<androidbruce> yeah.....
<androidbruce> im sorry man
<androidbruce> what are you using aws for? 
#ubuntu-us-wa 2011-11-27
<bkerensa> valorie: I have a question for you
<bkerensa> valorie: Considering the CoC and Leader CoC.... How does that apply to our lives outside of Ubuntu? For instance I participate on atleast on channel that uses "Adult Language"  (A Reddit channel) and I'm just wondering if the CoC's prohibit me from engaging in the norm of a irc channel that is mostly NSFW or whether I need to self-censor my discussion
<valorie> bkerensa: as long as you aren't representing yourself as an Ubuntu Member, leader of the LoCo, etc.
<valorie> wouldn't have anything to do with it, IMO
<valorie> that question has come up before, and that is what I've gleaned from the discussions
<bkerensa> valorie: Well the problem is people know who I am and I pointed this out I think to pleia2 so they associate me automatically as a Ubuntu Member and Lead
<bkerensa> and I said I cant help it if people I associate with know who I am so does the CoC apply and she said yeah in that case
<bkerensa> =/
<valorie> that's a bit dicey indeed
<valorie> I know of a person who had membership revoked
<valorie> it was on a "non" ubuntu site, but was an ubuntu *fan* site
<valorie> sexist stuff over and over, in spite of warnings
<valorie> I guess if you can't take off the ubuntu hat, then you have to remember that you are wearing it
<bkerensa> yeah
 * valorie is gonna sign out -- Colin is making long island ice teas
<valorie> :-)
<bkerensa> lol
<bkerensa> :)
#ubuntu-us-wa 2011-11-29
<bkerensa> valorie: http://benjaminkerensa.com/2011/11/28/ubuntu-local-jam-debian-bug-squash
<bkerensa> If you are in our neck of the woods
<bkerensa> :D
<valorie> not likely, but who knows what the future holds?
<valorie> holiday season will be about three times busier than usual
<valorie> between my daddy's issues and appointments, GCI, and regular stuff
<valorie> good luck, though
<bkerensa> Yeah :D I probably wont even be there the whole day unless I'm bribed with booze or food :P
<tenach> o/
<valorie> congratulations on membership, tenach!
<tenach> Thanks valorie!
<bkerensa> hi tenach
<bkerensa> :D
<bkerensa> valorie: You guys should nudge tenach for that role we were talking about the other day :P
<tenach> What role would that be, bkerensa?
<bkerensa> LoCo Lead :P
 * bkerensa is mostly joking about
<tenach> Well... I do want to be more active in the LoCo...
<tenach> hahaha
<valorie> we do need someone(s) to step up
 * valorie is swamped atm
<valorie> off to see daddy.....
#ubuntu-us-wa 2011-11-30
<anjilslaire> weirdness...
<anjilslaire> my whois says my freenode connection is:
<anjilslaire>  pratchett.freenode.net :Rennes, France
<anjilslaire> but I'm sitting on a local noa-net connection in western Wa....
<anjilslaire> local isp, not comcast, etc.
<valorie> essage of the day:
<valorie> [15:49] [MOTD] - Welcome to kornbluth.freenode.net in Frankfurt, DE, EU. 
<valorie> I think it's sorta random
<valorie> Pratchett, so great.....
<valorie> off to dinner
<anjilslaire> lol, thanks
#ubuntu-us-wa 2012-11-02
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#ubuntu-us-wa 2013-11-05
 * gn .oO( If I could only find the right IRC client for Mac OS X )
#ubuntu-us-wa 2013-11-29
<valorie> happy Thanksgivukkuh to all
#ubuntu-us-wa 2014-11-13
<cj> I like you very quiet people, you know.
<cj> I'm in the sitty!
<cj> https://wp.colliertech.org/~cjac/tmp/IMG_20141113_103854.jpg
 * valorie is at USENIX
<valorie> KDE booth
<valorie> rather fun, and the food is pretty good, and free
<valorie> ha, you are close
<valorie> we're at the sheraton
<cj> should I wander by?
#ubuntu-us-wa 2014-11-14
<cj> looks like there's a thing at the EMP after work..
<valorie> hey CJ, had to shut down earlier
<valorie> they closed the expo at 2 and we broke down the booth and left
 * valorie is back home, thankfully in the light and heat
<cj> you back again today?
<cj> I decided to go home and sleep instead of partying my head off.  The rock start lifestyle is really not for me ;-)
<valorie> cj: no, the expo was only for those two days
<valorie> I'm no sysadmin, not interested in paying for most of those sessions
#ubuntu-us-wa 2016-11-10
<valorie> I hope to see everyone at SeaGL tomorrow or Sat.! #seagl for more
#ubuntu-us-wa 2018-11-25
<lk> not a very active channel
<valorie> unfortunately not
<lk> Do you reside in Seattle?
<valorie> an hour out
<lk> south? im pierce 
<valorie> I tried to lead the group after Linda stepped back
<valorie> but it's difficult from so far out
<valorie> I live in Black Diamond
<lk> I bet she has to many things in life 
<valorie> where are you in Pierce
<valorie> well, she now has young children, yeah
<lk> I heard BD approved a large housing developent.
<valorie> oh yes
<lk> must suck
<valorie> we're being surrounded by houses now, instead of trees
<valorie> :(
<lk> sucks
<valorie> indeed
<valorie> I mean, I drove to SeaGL daily this year and it wasn't too bad
<lk> I left Canada a few years ago..same thing in the GVRV massive development in all cities traffic was getting horrid
<valorie> but ....
<lk> I started on linux in 97
<valorie> I wouldn't mind moving back to the Seattle or at least closer; my kids live there
<lk> then was hired as a contractor in 1998 by Microsoft in the w2K group
<lk> ahh
<valorie> but my husband won't be moved without some sticks of dynomite
<lk> sure
<valorie> you had an earlier start than i
<lk> only way to control a city is be on the seat as a counselor or mayor
<valorie> I think I first ran linux in 2001
<lk> yes...i do not know how I started. I started with centos
<valorie> although I was already running as much FOSS software as possible in Win
<lk> Foss?
<valorie> Mandrake was my first
<valorie> free and open source software
<lk> ohh
<lk> yes
<lk> It was a interesting start to my IT career but I also hate it because its always contract 
<valorie> but I've been on kubuntu for many years
<lk> Should have considred something else like medical 
<valorie> now the release manager
<lk> :)
 * valorie never worked in IT
<valorie> not a coder
<lk> so you are the release manager?
<valorie> yep
<lk> nice
<lk> I met a guy in Vancouver who made his own kernel
<lk> man that guy was always upset and intense 
<lk> I got his name wrong and he look like he wanted to belt me 
<lk> but thats in the past
<valorie> to me, software is tools
<valorie> not religion
<lk> I am a intj .i tried learning coding but...I get bored. 
<valorie> I use FOSS when possible but will use other stuff when necessary
<lk> I am not a INTP personality
<lk> INTJ so more of a problem solver on a larger scale. I am also...obsolete in the windows arena. 
<lk> Do you see kubuntu used in private industry?
<valorie> dunno
<lk> Okay
<valorie> there are lots of small groups using it
<lk> sure
<lk> I use mint 
<lk> ubunto
<lk> It works on my panasonic laptop
<lk> thing is....ff keeps trashing after for windows are open
<lk> crashing
<valorie> for instance, in Taiwan, a guy is getting all the government offices to use his Kubuntu fork
<valorie> with Libreoffice all set up for them
<lk> nice
<valorie> a guy I met in northern India is doing the same in Assam 
<lk> sure
<valorie> various schools, etc.
<lk> I powered off centos 150 times without closing the os never corrupted or crashed.
<lk> built several asterisk boxes running polycome phone
<lk> so do you sell it as a service?
<valorie> sell what as a service?
<lk> kubunto ie, consulting 
<valorie> no, I'm retired
<valorie> I don't need the money and I don't want to work for anyone who can tell me what/when to do some work
<lk> I agree
<lk> Wish i was retired but I do not think it will ever happen
<valorie> there are no paid devels in Kubuntu
<valorie> most of the flavors have no paid devels
<valorie> I would say that very few distros have any paid positions
<valorie> any more. We used to 
<lk> I see
<valorie> packaging has gotten much more automated now
<valorie> and with better continuous integration systems, more autotesting
<valorie> everything is just better
<valorie> with much less work required
<lk> I see

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