#ubuntu-gnome 2013-06-01 <asdf__> My bad, I though my screen is already 1024x768 setting. Already change the resolution. Its only two row icon in 800x600 resolution, so it's scare me if it's by default, you know, kind useless big tile of metro thing. <tommie-lie> I have 1600x900 and 4.5 rows (the fifth row fades away) in the application overview <tommie-lie> and tbh, I can't imagine it would be better if the icons were smaller. All those icons on the screen just make it impossible to find anything specific <asdf__> Now it's four row of icon in 1024x768. Still browsing, how to make it more smaller for small screen resolution. Something like "configuration editor" for new gnome version, <tommie-lie> but then again, I don't use the app overview, anyway, for that exact reason: it takes forever to start anything <tommie-lie> there's dconf-editor that configures the gsettings backend that is now used (instead of gconf in 2.x), but I don't know if there's a key for the icon size <tommie-lie> lemme look at the source <tommie-lie> asdf__: that seems to be a theme setting <tommie-lie> asdf__: theming is done in CSS in gnome shell, the class is icon-grid, the attribute is -shell-grid-horizontal-item-size and the same for vertical <tommie-lie> asdf__: you can have a look at /usr/share/gnome-shell/theme/gnome-shell.css starting from line 750 and play around a bit, if you want <tommie-lie> maybe setting icon-size on icon-grid class is enough to fix that <asdf__> wow, thanks. i'll try to configure it. i think the goal of gnome user is the same, bring back gnome main menu and gnome menu bar <tommie-lie> come again? what is gnome user? <asdf__> user that prefer gnome <darkxst> asdf__, they are in the new gnome classic session <asdf__> it exist? from login page? <tommie-lie> you mean the goal of gnome users (in general) is to bring back old gnome features? I must disagree, it's not my goal, I like Gnome 3 a lot better than Gnome 2, and I already liked that a lot better than any other environment I have used <darkxst> asdf__, install gnome-shell-extensions and then it will be available at login <asdf__> yeah, perhaps i'm must be conservative type. but as usual, linux always have flavor for everybody. thanks i'll get back to login page, to check the clasic one <ronj> Hi, since today's update I can no longer use https://extensions.gnome.org/local/ website from Firefox, it tells me "You do not appear to have an up to date version of GNOME3. You won't be able to install extensions from here. See the about page for more information." , and indeed if I go to Tools > Addons > Plugins, the Shell plugin is not here. Feel free to ask for more tests. <ronj> well it's more than that <ronj> GDM seems to have been removed, and I can no longer select Shell from the login manager <ronj> currently I'm in Unity <ronj> oh yeah indeed shell was removed: http://pastebin.com/yZ7kRnBk <ronj> some wicked dependency, I guess :-/ <ronj> sad <ronj> and if I try to re-install the removed package, here's what happens: http://pastebin.com/ekXkTidN <ronj> going to sleep, requests for test welcome, I'll have a look tomorrow <ronj> cheers <Ponch0> morning-afternoon-evening.. <Ponch0> I'm having issues after tonights upgrade, I did a partial like it recommended and i'm now logging in AS "gnome display manager" <Ponch0> I hit ctrl alt del, after 60 seconds logs me out and i'm able to log in with my keyboard because at login my mouse doesn't work. <Ponch0> Annnd. I have ubuntu unity or whatever they call it, WTH!!! <Ponch0> I'm having issues minimizing windows in unity 13.04, It just freezes. Does anyone know what may be causing the issue? <ronj> Ponch0, same thing here <ronj> GDM seems to have been removed, and I can no longer select Shell from the login manager, currently I'm in Unity and shell was removed: http://pastebin.com/yZ7kRnBk - some wicked dependency, I guess :-/ and if I try to re-install the removed package, here's what happens: http://pastebin.com/ekXkTidN <Ponch0> ronj: Hey bud, I don't have as many missing as you but seems similar http://pastebin.com/wuMCjf00 <Ponch0> ronj: Here is for dist-upgrade, http://pastebin.com/DbvDZ1z5 <Ponch0> ronj: For me GDM wasn't removed, rather when I restarted computer I was "Logged in AS "Gnome Display Manager", and my mouse didn't work. <Ponch0> I was able to fix my login screen by installing lightdm and removing GDM. <Ponch0> Unfortunately, I'm stuck using Unity for now. <ronj> yup, same here <ricotz> jbicha, hi <ricotz> jbicha, i hope you realize you are doing some bold moves with copying packages from staging <ricotz> make sure *not* to delete "gtksourceview3 - 3.7.90-0ubuntu1~raring2" <ricotz> and pango, harfbuzz, plymouth should be moved too since they are already deps due the pango packaging changes <ronj> Hi I just saw an update to gnome-shell-common, does it solve yesterday's broken upgrade for you? For me it doesn't. <ricotz> jbicha, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1186506 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1186506 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "[GNOME3 PPA] GNOME Shell 3.8.2-1ubuntu2~raring1 not installable" [Undecided,In progress] <ronj> same here, Shell and many other packages have been removed. apt logs: http://pastebin.com/yZ7kRnBk , and if I try to re-install the removed package, here's what happens: http://pastebin.com/ekXkTidN <ricotz> ronj, we are aware of it, thanks <ronj> ricotz, cool :) , is there anything we can help on? <ricotz> it is fine, i am just waiting for jbicha to confirm <ronj> ok <ronj> what was the cause of that? core ubuntu package updates changing dependencies that became unmet? are the maintainers aware of what that means to ubuntu-gnome users? deinstalling ubuntu-gnome-desktop is a pretty big deal, isn't it? <ronj> I mean, e.g. my mom would be pretty lost if that happened <ricotz> ronj, it is caused by copying binary packages from the staging ppa <ricotz> which were built under slightly different conditions <ronj> ok thx for the info, good luck for the fix <jbicha> ricotz: can you go ahead and copy the extra packages to the gnome3 ppa then? <jbicha> I had already rebuilt gnome-shell & totem <ricotz> jbicha, will do -- please build the packaging in the appropriate gnome3 ppa rather than copying them from yours to have the dbgsym packages built <ricotz> jbicha, please push a bumped gnome-shell to staging too to overrule it again <jbicha> hmm? dbgsym packages? I build in a different PPA because i386 and amd64 don't always finish building at the same time <ricotz> jbicha, make sure to remember the gtksourceview note when cleaning things up at some point <jbicha> what note? <ricotz> jbicha, the gnome3 ppas building dbgsym package in addition and using urgency medium is fine imo for this case <ricotz> <ricotz> make sure *not* to delete "gtksourceview3 - 3.7.90-0ubuntu1~raring2" <ricotz> you copied the soname bumped version and this still present package makes it possible to install it <jbicha> is the gnome3 ppa special with dbgsym packages? <ricotz> jbicha, yes i think cjwatson enabled them on darkxst's request <jbicha> ok cool I didn't know that <jbicha> I'm thinking we need a third PPA so that we can build and test packages before pushing to the gnome3 ppa <ricotz> hmm, maybe <ricotz> jbicha, is harfbuzz 0.9.18 needed for webkit2? <ricotz> or is it just a debian bump for transitioning for libharfbuzz0a <jbicha> ricotz: just a debian bump <ricotz> ok <ricotz> maybe lower it and push it to staging for raring? <ricotz> although i guess we want the newer harfbuzz anyway too <jbicha> yes you're welcome to give it a try, last time webkit took half a dozen tries or so to build on the i386 ppa builders :( <ricotz> test failures or size problems? <jbicha> the builders timed out <jbicha> gnome-shell is building now on staging <ricotz> ok <ricotz> thx <jbicha> thanks for your help cleaning things up <ricotz> ronj, please try to update now <ricotz> jbicha, i will give webkit a try <ronj> ricotz, doing that now. I got the new libpango & stuff, and am re-installing ubuntu-gnome-desktop <jbicha> ricotz: you can use the webkit packaging in my ppa if you want; it targets saucy & didn't downgrade harfbuzz <ricotz> ronj, ok <ricotz> jbicha, yeah, i grabbed it <ricotz> jbicha, https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/staging/+sourcepub/3238059/+listing-archive-extra <ronj> ricotz jbicha, update + dist-upgrade + install ubuntu-gnome-desktop did the job <ronj> thanks for the fix! <ronj> good to be back home :) <ricotz> good :) <Ponch0> Hey guys, I lost my ubuntu gnome and am on Unity, how do I get back to gnome? <DarkEra> Ponch0, how can you lose gnome? <DarkEra> kinda weird, doesn't it show in your sessions menu? <DarkEra> at the login screen that is <Ponch0> DarkEra: my apologies, same thing happened to ronj after the last update. <ronj> Ponch0, bug is fixed, just sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop <Ponch0> DarkEra, no I only have "ubuntu" or "system default" as options <ronj> Ponch0, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1186506 <Ponch0> ronj: thank you sir. <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1186506 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "[GNOME3 PPA] GNOME Shell 3.8.2-1ubuntu2~raring1 not installable" [Undecided,Fix released] <ronj> Ponch0, don't thank me, thank ricotz & jbicha :) <Ponch0> also thank you ricotz, and jbicha. <Ponch0> Here goes nothing :) <AnAnt> Hello, I am using Gnome 3.8 from Gnome3 PPA, and there is no lock menu item in the user menu <AnAnt> last update was 2 days ago <Ponch0> U guys are awesome, my baby is back! <DarkEra> Ponch0, that's great :) <Ponch0> DarkEra: Thanks! #ubuntu-gnome 2013-06-02 <darkxst> jbicha, yeh I got the ddebs enabled so we can get a retracer for the ppa, still waiting on pitti to set that up though <bjsnider> what bugs can i expect if i upgrade to the ppa/raring? <darkxst> bjsnider, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bugs <atrus> anybody using gnome3/gnome3-staging ppas notice totem not working? I get an error "Some necessary plug-ins are missing. Make sure that the program is correctly installed", and a warning "* (totem:23378): WARNING **: Element 'scaletempo' is missing, verify your installation", full output at http://paste.ubuntu.com/5725245/ <darkxst> atrus, totem is working fine here <darkxst> ricotz, gnome-session update working ok for you? <darkxst> I had a very wierd issue today, but I can't see how it could be related to the autostart patch anyway <ricotz> darkxst, nothing seems broken here <ricotz> saucy with the raring packages that is <ricotz> darkxst, btw is virt-manager working for you? <darkxst> ricotz, I don't use it <ricotz> darkxst, i see, seems broken due some python/gtk update <ricotz> darkxst, will do a fresh install of raring with the gnome3 ppas <ricotz> darkxst, i am surprised this built on saucy without this https://launchpadlibrarian.net/141445431/gnome-panel_1%3A3.6.2-0ubuntu4~raring1_1%3A3.6.2-0ubuntu4~raring2.diff.gz <ricotz> (use the glib wrapper/method if there is one) <darkxst> ricotz, but why would it not build? unsetenv would exist anyway <darkxst> its hardly going to cause a build failure <ricotz> darkxst, i caused a build error due missing headers <ricotz> i/it <darkxst> oh I see <darkxst> ricotz, virt-manager is working here <ricotz> darkxst, thanks for checking, then it is gtk 3.9.x <darkxst> ricotz, except seems to work here under gtk 3.9 also <ricotz> hmm, weird <ricotz> ah :\ virt-manager is still gtk2 only the git master was ported <jbicha> this will save several MBs from the ISOs by not having to have libreoffice-base pre-installed http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=710799 <ubot5> Debian bug 710799 in unoconv "unoconv: Please don't recommend all of LibreOffice" [Normal,Open] <wilee-nilee> Running ubuntu saucy, the gnome shell is 3.8. When I click popups like the logout..etc icon I loose the mouse click. If I run a logut from the terminal a popup for 60 seconds comes up, but no click, however times out to the logout. <ricotz> jbicha, hi <jbicha> ricotz: hi <ricotz> if the webkit builds are ready i will copy them to the gnome3 ppa with the according harfbuzz/pango bumps <jbicha> ok <ricotz> jbicha, i loosen the symbols checks to c0 to have it built for now <ricotz> since there are differences between amd64 and i386 <ricotz> and i assume you updated them for amd64 only <jbicha> ricotz: I hadn't touched the symbols but I see the build failed on Debian too <ricotz> jbicha, ok, this one should provide a useful diff -- https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/staging/+build/4636416 <ricotz> if it finally finish uploading ;) <ricotz> jbicha, looks like the -dbg packages are pretty much useless judging from their sizes #ubuntu-gnome 2013-06-03 <ikus060> Hello, it's only me or the suspend, lock screen, unlock screen, hibernate is buggy in ubuntu-gnome 13.04 ? I had debian before running gnome 3.4 and naver had trouble with hibernate / suspend features. With ubuntu-gnome 13.04 haft the time my laptop refused to unlock (can't type the password, freeze, black screen). Otherwise, it refused to suspend, I get message like : can't lock, an application prevent lock, bla bla bla. <darkxst> ikus060, that is probably caused by some other application, taking a key grab <ikus060> darkxst: I do have the problem even if I close all applications... <darkxst> ikus060, file a bug <darkxst> using 'ubuntu-bug gnome-shell' <m__> is there an alt. install of Ubuntu gnome? <camelinahat> Looks like a big update this weekend guys. Some more bumped from 3.6 to 3.8. Congrats <meet> hi. i have a bug to report. But I am not sure about the package. From the uppper right corner menu from where we shutdown,etc. the option to change the availability is not working. ubuntu-gnome 13.04 64-bit. <meet> (option to change chat application availability) #ubuntu-gnome 2013-06-04 <phako> I'm getting a lot of <phako> systemd-udevd[2413]: failed to execute '/lib/udev/socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event' 'socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event': No such file or directory <phako> is there a way to get rid of those? <ricotz> darkxst, hi <ricotz> darkxst, please if you sync a package from debian or saucy make sure you tweak the version to be lower <ricotz> and don't add a ubuntu1 suffix if you sync from debian <ricotz> otherwise it can/will breaks upgrade-paths <ricotz> gnome-online-accounts - 3.8.2-1ubuntu1 > 3.8.2-1~raring1 <jbicha> also gnome-online-accounts 3.8 isn't quite integrated with gnome-control-center 3.6 but I don't know if it's just cosmetic (missing icons) <ricotz> jbicha, hi, it didnt take long to get some kind of usable webkit packages ;) <jbicha> ricotz: why don't ask seb128 if he'd be interested in it for the saucy desktop ppa? <ricotz> jbicha, i dont want to annoy <ricotz> him <jbicha> I don't think he'd be annoyed (as he likes testing disruptive things in that ppa first) but I think they're still in a meeting right now <ricotz> jbicha, due the added dh-autoreconf it also needs automake1.13 or at least 1.12 <jbicha> I think 1.13 is default in saucy now <ricotz> jbicha, not sure, i am getting the feeling i am annoying him <ricotz> jbicha, yes for saucy it is fine <ricotz> jbicha, just the symbols file needs to be updated properly <jbicha> oh you're saying it's harder to update for raring users? hmm <ricotz> no it is just harder to build it on raring <ricotz> i added automake1.13 to my ppa where i built it <jbicha> I got the symbols halfway updated, https://launchpad.net/~jbicha/+archive/dev/+build/4638420 <ricotz> i already copied it to the gnome3 ppa (harfbuzz, pango1.0, webkit) <ricotz> yeah, my builds are using -c0 so the should provider complete diffs <ricotz> for amd64/i386 <ricotz> but needs to be marked optional or arch specific then in most cases <meetas> how unstable is the gnome3 staging ppa? <bjsnider> like to know that myself, would i <jbicha> you can get an idea of the remaining 3.8 issues from https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-gnome-3-8 <elrow> Hello, i have a good news ! I've install ubuntu gnome <elrow> Also, i've got a problem afer the intalation, i've got a kernel panic. "/init was not found" any idea ? <elrow> i've try pass init=/sbin/init in the grub console, but it doesn't work. can you help me ? <tommie-lie1> sounds bad, are you sure you've got the initrd installed? it's usually called /boot/initrd.img-$KERNELVERSION <elrow> yes it initrd /boot/initrd.omg-3.8.0-19-generic <elrow> however, it may be a partition problem hen i install ubunru. I'm checking this <elrow> img* ubuntu* sorry <Forage> The latest updates for the gnome3 ppa appear to be b0rked <Forage> as soon as I try to update the pango and/or webkit packages, it will try to remove quite a load of other installed packages <Forage> from almost all gnome packages to firefox and libreoffice, vlc to transmission, etc <Forage> anyone else noticing this as well? <elrow> no i try to launchu ubuntu on my side :) <jbicha> Forage: does sudo apt-get dist-upgrade work? <elrow> my problem with the /init not found (kernel panic) could became of a wrong install directory of grub ? <plokami666> Hello. I have a question. I have a fresh install of ubuntu and on top of that I installed gnome 3.8. I wouldn't mind re-installing so, would it be a good idea to install gnome ubuntu instead? And if so, why? <gonyere> plokami666 - at this point it probably doesn't make any difference <Forage> jbicha: yes, it does <Forage> strange <gonyere> but in the future if you want gnome on ubuntu, i'd suggesting using ubuntu-gnome <plokami666> Can you explain why please? <plokami666> Is it simply to avoid the extra space unity takes up or are there any other reasons? <Forage> plokami666: isn't that, and the fact that it is easier reason enough? ;-) <plokami666> Well, yes I suppose <plokami666> To be honest, I've never used an official derivative. The only derivative I've used (and I'm currently using) is mint and it's a bit different than ubuntu itself. And not just in the different DE. <plokami666> That's why I'm asking, basically. <plokami666> I did read the FAQ. I'm just trying to make sure things aren't missing, I guess <Forage> plokami666: ubuntu gnome was introduced to provide and out of the box full gnome experience. If that's what you are after than it is an easy choice. Differences compared to stock Ubuntu are minimal and listed on the website. If you are OK with those changes it just saves to having to go through the trouble of creating the same thing manually from stock ubuntu <plokami666> Forage: thank you for the response, that's all I wanted to know <plokami666> Have a good day ^^ <Forage> np <Forage> jbicha: I took the dist-upgrade route without any problems. I didn't expect it to be needed any more after the first round of ppa updates. I take it this isn't some form of bug but just something that can't be avoided? <jbicha> Forage: the dist-upgrade was necessary to reduce the diff with Saucy <Forage> jbicha: ok, than I'll try that route when I run into the same issue again. Thanks for the help <darkxst> jbicha, goa 3.8 should work fine with g-c-c 3.6 <darkxst> I am not missing any icons (well not all providers have icons, but that is the same in g-c-c 3.8) <jbicha> darkxst: should I sync goa 3.8 from Debian to saucy then? <darkxst> jbicha, yeh #ubuntu-gnome 2013-06-05 <jbicha> I think I'm going to update gnome-menus to 3.8 in saucy tomorrow; the changes don't seem to affect Unity <jbicha> and I was just about to upload alacarte but sadly the new version doesn't work, bug 1186523 <ubot5> bug 1186523 in alacarte (Ubuntu) "Unicode error when trying to tick or delete an unticked item" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1186523 <darkxst> jbicha, that is probably caused by non UTF-8 locale <twilightbeach43> Hi, I've heard about issues relating to dual-booting Ubuntu GNOME with Windows. Could anyone here shed some light on that? <ntzrmtthihu777> I just have one thing to say to you guys. Thank you. It makes me very happy that the end user can now use pure gnome without having to manually install it. I personally now use xfce exclusively, but the end user should always have an easy choice. <ronj> Hi ricotz jbicha, if you don't already know about, today's upgrade looks scary: http://pastebin.com/Mh5WezQP <phantomcratcher> hello, I just installed gnome 3.8, and I can't see the notifications config option inside System Settings. Is this a compatibility bug? <jbicha> neat, compare the file size of http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/13.04/release/ with http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/ <egh> anybody else using the gnome3 team ppa? some recent updates seem to have completely broken apt-get dependencies. <ronj> egh, same for me: <ronj> Hi ricotz jbicha, if you don't already know about, today's upgrade looks scary: http://pastebin.com/Mh5WezQP <egh> ronj: great to know it's not just me <egh> possibly related: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1186506 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1186506 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "[GNOME3 PPA] GNOME Shell 3.8.2-1ubuntu2~raring1 not installable" [Undecided,Fix released] <ronj> egh, no that one was five days ago and was fixed, today is a different one. don't know if there's a Launchpad bug filed <egh> ronj: could be. I'm seeing: The following packages have been kept back: <egh> gir1.2-pango-1.0 libpangoft2-1.0-0 libpangoft2-1.0-0:i386 libpangoxft-1.0-0 libpangoxft-1.0-0:i386 <egh> <egh> If I run: `sudo apt-get install libpangoft2-1.0-0:i386` apt-get wants to destroy my system <ronj> true, especially in the "The following packages have been kept back:" section, didn't see that <jjmarin_> /msg MeMO READ LAST <egh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1187938 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1187938 in Ubuntu GNOME "gnome3 ppa dependencies broken" [Undecided,New] <darkxst> jbicha, is UOA google (3.8) provider still working for you <jbicha> darkxst: do you use 2-factor auth? <darkxst> no <darkxst> but my account lost authorisation, and I can't access the webkit frame to reauth (it just stays blank) <darkxst> also "remove account" refuses to do anything <jbicha> are you using raring staging? <darkxst> yeh <darkxst> (gnome-control-center:11465): account-plugin-WARNING **: ap_client_load_plugin: module /usr/lib/libaccount-plugin-1.0/providers/libgoogle.so not found: /usr/lib/libaccount-plugin-1.0/providers/libgoogle.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory <jbicha> by the way, Unity's date time panel crashes for me with Settings 3.8, I built from https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/indicator-datetime/rename-desktop-for-38/ <darkxst> libaccount-plugin-google has no rdepends? <darkxst> datetime was working before when I added the external panel stuff, I will look into it <jbicha> but yeah, UOA looks completely broken with Settings 3.8 on Saucy <darkxst> jbicha, that seems to be because the libaccount plugins are not installed <darkxst> jbicha, does datetime still work under 3.6? <jbicha> darkxst: yes <darkxst> wierd, since seems to be a bug in libtimezonemap1 <jbicha> darkxst: do you know of a bug for the libaccount-plugin brokeness? <darkxst> jbicha, I havent filed one #ubuntu-gnome 2013-06-06 <jbicha> darkxst: landscape-client-ui has a settings panel that needs to be in the whitelist <darkxst> jbicha, ok, are there any others <jbicha> ubuntuone-installer and software-properties-gtk <darkxst> updated <bjsnider> sounds like there's a lot of time being spent trying to get gnome and unity to play nice <jbicha> darkxst: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/account-plugins/0.11daily13.06.06-0ubuntu1 :) <darkxst> jbicha, datetime issue is due to conflicting symbols <darkxst> need to rename all public functions in libtimezonemap <jbicha> could you file a bug for that? <darkxst> jbicha, yes will do <jbicha> I wonder why I see Backup when I run XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=Unity gnome-control-center but not in GNOME <darkxst> jbicha, OnlyShowIn setting? <jbicha> I believe it is OnlyShowIn=GNOME;Unity: <darkxst> jbicha, its working here <darkxst> bug 1187981 <ubot5> bug 1187981 in indicator-datetime (Ubuntu) "symbol conflicts in libtimezonemap1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1187981 <kesavan> unable to boot after checking battery status <kesavan> the gdm fails to get me into the Xserver <ricotz> darkxst, hi :), why wasnt the splitted gdm package used for saucy? if this was rejected then saucy package could be copied to staging? <erle-> somehow the gnome3 ppa uninstalled half of my ubuntu <erle-> is that a known issue? <phako> and on top of that installing half a KE <phako> KDE <erle-> phako, you joking or did that happen? <erle-> in fact gnome ppa did a lot of funny stuff with java and qt <erle-> dunno how <phako> http://fpaste.org/16907/51052513/ <erle-> i had that and started it ... <erle-> i came home from a longer journey <erle-> so i was expecting lots of updates <erle-> lol <darkxst> ricotz, it should have been used for saucy <meet> should I upgrade my gnome 3.6 to 3.8? Ubuntu-gnome 13.04. I have seen the additions and really interested. But what all disadvantages may be there? <mgedmin> I haven't noticed any <mgedmin> I'm using the gnome 3 ppa but not the staging ppa <mgedmin> (the staging ppa is where all the disadvantages live; and no, I don't have a list) <meet> mgedmin: last time I tried my ubuntu software center broke. It crashed immediately. not a big deal. But so i was wondering what all are discrepancies are there. <mgedmin> let me try <mgedmin> yup, crashes on startup <mgedmin> lovely <jbicha> meet: the software center issue is bug 1163886 and hasn't been fixed yet <ubot5> bug 1163886 in software-center (Ubuntu) "software-center crashed with signal 5 with the GNOME3 PPA on 13.04" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1163886 <Forage> What is the purpose of the mcp-account-manager-goa package? <Forage> Should it be installed alongside mcp-account-manager-uoa even when it is not by default on Ubuntu? <meet> So any other known major issues? <jbicha_> ricotz: do you have any insight into what's breaking for bug 1187938? <ubot5> bug 1187938 in Ubuntu GNOME "gnome3 ppa dependencies broken" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1187938 <jbicha_> I can't reproduce in my raring chroot...maybe it only affects upgrades? <min|dvir1us> Hey, is it just me or is the GNOME3 PPA broken? <ronj> min|dvir1us, yes, see https://launchpad.net/bugs/1187938 and hold your up the upgrade till it's fixed <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1187938 in Ubuntu GNOME "gnome3 ppa dependencies broken" [Undecided,Confirmed] <ricotz> jbicha, hi, i can't reproduce this, luckily i have an older gnome3-ppa-only raring vm where apt resolves the harfbuzz/pango/webkit transition fine <jbicha> ricotz: uh, so do we recommend people ppa-purge then add the ppa again? <ricotz> i am curious what the partial upgrade looks like and people should perfom an apt-get upgrade first <jbicha> ronj: could you try an apt-get upgrade? <ronj> jbicha ricotz, same problem, log: http://pastebin.com/66TJSjiE <ronj> note I didn't ppa-purge before, and ran dist-upgrade (not upgrade) <jbicha> what about just an apt-get upgrade? <ronj> trying <ronj> jbicha, looks good indeed, http://pastebin.com/PdKVkDrJ <ronj> how can that be? isn't dist-upgrade supposed to be smarter than upgrade? <ricotz> ronj, i see you have a lot of external repos enabled which can be a problem <ricotz> ronj, it just holds back some things <ricotz> ronj, do an upgrade and try dist-upgrade after that <ronj> k <ronj> ricotz jbicha, the upgrade went well, but trying dist-upgrade after I'm still being asked to remove half my system: http://pastebin.com/C74B5RKv <ricotz> ronj, what is the output of "apt-cache rdepends libharfbuzz0" <ronj> ricotz, http://pastebin.com/b9gvekt8 <ricotz> ronj, can't say why this is happening for you <ronj> ricotz, maybe I could start ask people on the LP bug some common points? maybe we could start listing our PPAs? <ronj> what else? <ricotz> ronj, which other repos are you using? <jbicha> ronj: do you get any different output if you try something like 'apt-get install libpango-1.0-0' <ronj> Official "Partners", Official "Independent"/Extras, Steam, Dropbox, Chrome, Shutter, WebUpd8/Java, TLP <ricotz> ronj, please list the urls <ronj> jbicha, no, apt-get install libpango-1.0-0 ask for the same deletions <ricotz> ronj, i am suspecting the chrome repo <ronj> ricotz, Official "Partners": http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu:raring:partner, Official "Independent"/Extras: http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu:raring:main, Steam: http://repo.steampowered.com/steam/:precise:steam, Dropbox: http://linux.dropbox.com/ubuntu:precise:main, Chrome: http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/:stable:main, WebUpd8/Java: http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu:raring:main, TLP: http://ppa.launchpad.net/linrunner/tlp/ubuntu:r <ronj> aring:main <ronj> ppa-purging the chrome repo <bjsnider> hm, chrome only offers the browser here as far as packages go <ricotz> ronj, this is just an idea though <bjsnider> does have a long list of dependencies <ronj> well maybe, anyway, I'm not even able to ppa-purge it, even when using the -d -p -s options ( sudo ppa-purge -p main -d stable -s dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb ), it tells me "Warning: Required ppa-name argument was not specified" <jbicha> ronj: just uninstall your chrome package(s) <ricotz> ronj, this is not a ppa, you added it manually <ricotz> but i guess this chrome repo isnt the problem <ronj> jbicha, this I did (I even purged), same result. ricotz, more or less, that's something the Chrome .deb does automatically when installing <ricotz> ronj, are you familiar with aptitude? <ronj> ricotz, no I'm more used to synaptic, but I can test stuff in aptitude if you guide me <ricotz> ronj, using synaptic result in similar problems? <ronj> ricotz, yeah if I "reload" then "mark all upgrades", it takes the exact same decision as apt-get: tons of packages "To be removed", six libpango/libpangocairo/libjavascriptcoregtk to be upgraded <ricotz> ronj, do you have pinned packages or repos with higher priority? <ronj> ricotz, I don't know what these two things are, can you tell me where to look? <ricotz> ronj, are there files in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ ? <min|dvir1us> ronj: thanks. <ronj> /etc/apt/preferences.d/ is empty <min|dvir1us> Why was a broken dependency tree released in the first place? Are there not safeguards against that? <ricotz> ronj, ok <ronj> min|dvir|us-work, there are, but tests from the team cannot cover all ppa/system combinations everywhere <min|dvir|us-work> I see. <min|dvir|us-work> Is there any ETA? <ricotz> min|dvir|us-work, nothing broken is broken, there was a transition <ricotz> min|dvir|us-work, do you use other repos besides the gnome3 ppa? <min|dvir|us-work> Some, but none that should conflict. <min|dvir|us-work> Perhaps xorg-edgers? <ronj> probably no, I don't have that one <ronj> can you list all of them with their url? <ronj> ricotz, maybe that's already something clear for you, but I repeat it just in case: I've been in the boat five days ago, but it was solved, and it just reappeared yesterday. did something change on the GNOME3 PPA yesterday? <jbicha> yes we pushed an updated webkit and pango libraries 2 days ago <min|dvir|us-work> ronj: https://gist.github.com/dan-transparensee/e30e87136c7523a0c462 <ricotz> ronj, what jbicha said ^ <ronj> ok <ronj> min|dvir|us-work, our only common points are Dropbox & Steam <ronj> which provide 1 or 2 packages each :-/ <min|dvir|us-work> Perhaps I am ignorant to all the facts but I believe a PPA conflict is zstrickland@example.net. <ricotz> ronj, min|dvir|us-work, at least dropbox provides a raring pocket which you should use instead of the precise one <min|dvir|us-work> ricotz: oh, sweet. :) <jbicha> ronj: so you could try ppa-purging the gnome3 ppa and re-adding it <ronj> ok trying, if that's our last option <ronj> jbicha, The following packages have unmet dependencies: libharfbuzz-dev : Depends: libharfbuzz0 (= 0.9.13-1) but 0.9.17-4~raring1 is installed. The following actions will resolve these dependencies: Remove the following packages: 1) libgtk-3-dev 2) libgtk2.0-dev 3) libharfbuzz-dev 4) libpango1.0-dev <ronj> pick my poison <ronj> 3? <jbicha> ronj: sure, you don't need those -dev packages, do you? anyway you can reinstall them afterwards <jbicha> just enter y <ronj> well I need 1 & 2 yeah, but will reinstall later <ronj> jbicha, that did not exactly go well: http://pastebin.com/kNNpyPM8 <jbicha> it shouldn't break that badly <jbicha> sudo apt-get -f install <ronj> jbicha, even if http://pastebin.com/EfDU8FKp ? <jbicha> ronj: personally I would hit 'y' and then install ubuntu-gnome-desktop and unity and unity-tweak-tool (and whatever else) again afterwards <ronj> yup, just wanted to be sure <ronj> jbicha, ppa purged, answering y to everything, but now I cannot install ubuntu-gnome-desktop: http://pastebin.com/dU5HPAYa <jbicha> ok, pick one of those dependencies and try to install it (like gedit) <ronj> jbicha, The following packages have unmet dependencies: gedit : Depends: gedit-common (< 3.7) but 3.8.2-0ubuntu1~raring2 is to be installed <ronj> oÃ , seems ppa-purge didn't do its job? <jbicha> run sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3 then ppa-purge it again I guess <ronj> jbicha ricotz, I just successfully ppa-purged, was able to install ubuntu-gnome-desktop and am back to 3.6, but when I re-add the PPA and dist-upgrade, the problem is still present <jbicha> ronj: I'm thinking ricotz' theory about some other PPA interfering is sounding more likely <ronj> jbicha, I had a look at the pool folders of the few PPAs I'm using and don't see much... <ronj> also, min|dvir|us-work had the same problem, and we only shared two quite self-contained PPAs: Dropbox, and Steam <jbicha> what's the dist-upgrade look like this time? <ronj> jbicha, http://pastebin.com/ZVXNk5La <ronj> jbicha, note I was able to upgrade before that, which ran and upgraded stuff, here's the output of upgrade now: http://pastebin.com/qYz73GQJ <ronj> hmmm just got a pb. report from a friend that I converted to Ubuntu GNOME <jbicha> I can't figure out what the problem is either and we can't fix a problem that we can't identify :( <jbicha> maybe see if you can reproduce it from a new 13.04 install <bjsnider> ronj, what is the result if you try apt-get upgrade? <ronj> bjsnider, <ronj> jbicha, note I was able to upgrade before that, which ran and upgraded stuff, here's the output of upgrade now: http://pastebin.com/qYz73GQJ <ricotz> jbicha, using a live-cd session of raring, adding gnome3-ppa and upgrade works as expected <ricotz> ah sorry, i didnt look as expected :\ <ronj> <jbicha> maybe see if you can reproduce it from a new 13.04 install >> sorry, I don't want to mess any more with my main machine, and my 2nd one is freezed to test another Ubuntu bug <bjsnider> ronj, try apt-get install on each of those 74 packages one by one <bjsnider> maybe it will only push back on one of them <bjsnider> the two libpango packages are the ones kept back on the dist-upgrade though, so maybe do them first <ronj> bjsnider ricotz jbicha, was able to sudo apt-get install libpango1.0-0, which just asked to remove a few :i386 things <ronj> now if I try to dist-upgrade, the only remaining thing that apt-get want me to remove is libmutter0a <ronj> could our problem be due to these i386 packages? <jbicha> and libmutter0a is ok to remove :) <ronj> maybe the ones installed by steam? <bjsnider> well what the hell is going on with that pango package <bjsnider> where did it come from <ronj> the three of us concerned here (my friend, me, and min|dvir|us-work) did use Steam <ronj> and I think it installs a crapload of i386 stuff <ronj> the other package I use that does that AFAIK is Skype <ronj> ok, dist-upgrade finished cleanly, back to a sane state <ronj> Thanks a lot! Posting what I did on bug 1187938 <ubot5> bug 1187938 in Ubuntu GNOME "gnome3 ppa dependencies broken" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1187938 <ronj> I'm still available for more tests, feel free to ping me <bjsnider> have you still got the info on which i386 libs were forced out? <ronj> bjsnider, yes: http://pastebin.com/jp7cpmwT , lines 21 & 22 <bjsnider> look how it orphans all of those i396 packages <bjsnider> or i386 <jbicha> ronj: do you use teamviewer? <ronj> bjsnider, I used it once yes <ronj> may be the culprit too... <ronj> asking my friend <jbicha> is teamviewer installable? <ronj> jbicha, yes: http://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/linux.aspx , however note my friend with the same problem did not have it <bjsnider> there's also libharfbuzz0 vs libharfbuzz0a <bjsnider> ronj, what happens if you try to install libharfbuzz0 ? <ronj> I posted a summary of what I did here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1187938/comments/4 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1187938 in Ubuntu GNOME "gnome3 ppa dependencies broken" [Undecided,Confirmed] <ronj> bjsnider, hell happens: http://pastebin.com/ghRcT4aL <bjsnider> libharfbuzz0 and libharfbuzz0a must be packaged so they're mutually exclusive <bjsnider> where do they originate? <ricotz> bjsnider, libharfbuzz0 is deprecated and libharfbuzz0a the new one <bjsnider> why would he still have the deprecated one? <bjsnider> anyway, i guess that's the issue <jbicha> bjsnider: yes but that shouldn't be a problem; they're in the harfbuzz package <ricotz> the pango and harfbuzz changes originate from debian and saucy <ronj> <bjsnider> why would he still have the deprecated one? >> I don't have libharfbuzz0 installed <bjsnider> ronj, you did though <ronj> oh ok <ronj> sry <bjsnider> http://pastebin.com/jp7cpmwT <bjsnider> it's one of the ones going to be removed and the new one replaces it <bjsnider> and then when you tried to install the old one again it threatened to rip your guts out <ronj> ricotz jbicha bjsnider, my friend who was in the same boat just fixed his machine; exact same steps as me: purge, re-add ubuntu-gnome-desktop, re-add ppa, update (updating ~30 packages), install libpango (removing ~18 i386 packages), dist-upgrade (removing libmutter0a and updating the rest of the packages) <ronj> I meant: ...upgrade (updating ~30 packages)... <ronj> not update <jbicha> the purge shouldn't be necessary, you just need to force install libpango-1.0-0 <ronj> ok thx, added the info to the bug #ubuntu-gnome 2013-06-07 <atrus> anybody using a hidden wifi access point with ubuntu-gnome + 3.8 ppa + staging? it seems like i have to manually teach the system about the hidden essid (with iwlist) every time i boot. <darkxst> atrus, no, but there is not point hiding SSID <darkxst> it is trivial to find networks with hidden ssids' <atrus> i don't run the AP, i won't be able to make that call :/ <atrus> convince the guys running our corporate global cisco solution to do otherwise, and it won't be a problem ;) <darkxst> atrus, have you tried setting up connection via nm-connection-editor? <atrus> i'll have to try when i'm at work again. <atrus> or try setting up a hidden one at home maybe, for experimentation purposes :) <darkxst> that should be persistent <atrus> the thing is, i set it up vian nm-connection-editor months ago, it only stopped working after upgrading to 3.8 <darkxst> atrus, well try that again, and if it still doesnt work file a nm bug <bjsnider> atrus, give me the phone number for your global corporate cisco solution and i'll talk to them about it <bjsnider> can't guarantee success <atrus> ;) <n0yd> Hey guys <n0yd> I am well aware using the gnome3 regular, and staging ppas, and the gnome3 ppa from ricoh (one of the devs whoich vcreates an addon to to the two official ppas) may cause breakage <n0yd> And breakage is fun and great. This isnt a production machine, 9its a test machine to fiddle with <n0yd> Anyways, I recently ran the upgrade, and I think it upgraded to 3.8.2 gnome <n0yd> Since there isnt an easy to find help/about dialog like there was gnome2, where do I find what version I am running? <n0yd> Cause Id like changing the json on some of the extensiuons to see if they will work like they did with some other ones <n0yd> btw darkxst hey bud :) <n0yd> howsz it going? <n0yd> thanks for the help the other day <ricotz> n0yd, "apt-cache policy gnome-shell" will tell you what gnome-shell is installed <n0yd> ah its rico! <n0yd> good work on your ppas man! <n0yd> enjoying the tinkering :) <n0yd> hmm 3.9.2 <n0yd> well that did it <n0yd> 3.9.2 is the dev number for 3.10 iirc right? <ricotz> yes, 3.9.x will become 3.10 <ricotz> thanks <n0yd> ricotz, ?If I have the regular gnome3 ppa, the gnome3 staging, and yours, is it just yours thatr will push oit to 3.9.x? <ricotz> yes <n0yd> basically im wondering what ppas I can keep if any <n0yd> ok <n0yd> great <n0yd> ' <n0yd> Cause I really want full 3.8 <ricotz> gnome3 ppa will provide only gnome 3.8 for raring <n0yd> #.6 with 3.8 bits is quite lame <n0yd> yup * n0yd grabs ppa-purge <ricotz> for saucy it is suppose to provide 3.9/3.10 at some point <n0yd> yu7a <n0yd> I was playing with it <n0yd> gnome3 has some saucy stuff <n0yd> and yours does also, but not staging <n0yd> iirc <n0yd> staging was the only one without any dist for it <ricotz> gnome3 ppas dont have a saucy pocket <ricotz> .. yet <n0yd> hmm, well it didnt error on the stdard one, just the staging <n0yd> iirc <n0yd> im n0ot saying ALL the pkgs <n0yd> just one or two <n0yd> whereas stagiung wouldnt work at all <ricotz> ok, i am saying there are none ;) <n0yd> maybe so <n0yd> i only ran it for like 10mi9n lol <ricotz> anyway, if the 3.8 settled i hope we will push some 3.9/3.10 bits <n0yd> cool <n0yd> I would use the 3.9 stuff but really, gnome3 needs extensions to be usable <n0yd> I wholeheartedly agree with Linus (and thats a rarity) <ricotz> n0yd, complain about that upstream <n0yd> I have ;) <n0yd> and will continue to <ricotz> although we provide the official extension which are working <n0yd> I hope they just add some of the extensions as options <n0yd> Like they already have <n0yd> Like removing the name from the status menu on the panel, used to be a extension <n0yd> now its in privacy <n0yd> ricotz, did you notice currently oin 3.9 using the ppa, maccounts is broken <n0yd> at least the accounts for empatrhy <n0yd> it opens, you click the service, and nothing loads. blank screen <ricotz> right, if those tweaks make sense will might be included directly <n0yd> id troubleshoot more, but im purging <n0yd> yup <ricotz> you mean the g-c-c settings <n0yd> And either take the stuff from tweak tool and incorporate them, or put tweak tool into gnome3 as an standard app <n0yd> on A STOCK INSTALL <n0yd> woops caps sorry <n0yd> g-c-c settings? <n0yd> Well in gnome atm, for some reason, we have two account settings under system settings <ricotz> the online-accounts settings in gnome-control-center <n0yd> one thats a two parts of a globe, and onje thats a globe witha keyt <n0yd> thye two parts globe, does not work <n0yd> which is the one empathy uses <n0yd> i dont even know why there are two anbyway <n0yd> That should be fixed somewhere down the road as it will definitely cause user confusion <ricotz> empathy uses the account set up in the "global with key" <n0yd> uhh no it doesnt <ricotz> global/globe <n0yd> im using it now <n0yd> I oipen empathjy, hit add accounts, and it lauches the accounjt settings that looks like two halves of a globe that plugs into eaCHOTHER <n0yd> oh wait <n0yd> im sorry <n0yd> your right <n0yd> ii hAD THE Icons mixed <n0yd> it uses the one on the right <jbicha> n0yd: UOA being broken should have been fixed with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/account-plugins/0.11daily13.06.06-0ubuntu1 <n0yd> the globe with key <n0yd> and yes, empathy uses it, and dpoesnt work <n0yd> jbicha, UOA? i dont feel like clicking thjat link, thbat appl,ies to what we arew talkiung about? <jbicha> I'm going to request that "Ubuntu Online Accounts" be clearly marked as such in GNOME <n0yd> I had updatedx about 2hrs ago, and ir was broke <n0yd> That would be a good idea <ricotz> jbicha, ah missed that update account-plugins <n0yd> But why cant they justr all be in one <n0yd> I meAN, ffsa. wHY SHOULD A USER HAVE TO PUT IN THEIR gOOGLE CREDENTIALS IN TWO PLACES <n0yd> Its redundant and silly <n0yd> sorry for the caps, i just changed backed to the thinkpad okbd, and im not usewd to it <n0yd> A user should just have to put their google credentials in once, and have that be it. Of course they can always go in ands change what thoise credentials allow, ie. chat, email, shotwell/picasa etc. Just like in "Accounts" in Android <n0yd> I dont even know where I would go to voice that issue <n0yd> Because the gnome guys on gimpnet would say its a distro istro or some nonsense <n0yd> Also, I wonder why ubuntu gnome doesnt use "Boxes" like Fedora19 does. its an AWESOME feature <n0yd> ricotz, I see you work on plank <n0yd> Which drivesz docky, and eOS' "Pantheon" or whatever its called <ricotz> jbicha, any objections to copy automake1.13 to gnome3 ppa? <n0yd> Do you know of a way to build their dock, or get a deb of it? <n0yd> he quit <n0yd> I use docky a lot, but would mlike to test pantheon and see if its a ny different, or as I exsspect just a renamed docky <n0yd> Like 75 percent of eOS is <ricotz> n0yd, plank isnt feature equal with docky2 and won't be <ricotz> so you cant really compare it <n0yd> newver heard of docky2? <n0yd> Is that the current docky <n0yd> thjats used atm <n0yd> lkike if I apt-get docky <ricotz> n0yd, you can try the matching elementary ppa to test pantheon <n0yd> or is it in development stafe <ricotz> yes i mean the current docky 2.x <ricotz> which uses mono <n0yd> oh i saw it used mono <n0yd> so its not planky no longer? <n0yd> mono is quite lame imho <n0yd> yuse a language native to linux imho <n0yd> but inmj old school in that way <n0yd> paint.net is nice though, but doesnt work good in mono <n0yd> do you know where to find the pantheon ppa? <n0yd> Cause they call everything pantheon <ricotz> plank is the new thing which is suppose to be the base for docky3 <ricotz> and it is written in vala <n0yd> And i just want the dock <n0yd> https://launchpad.net/~elementary-os/+archive/daily <n0yd> oh cool <n0yd> I like vala <ricotz> if you just want the dock ppa:ricotz/docky <n0yd> ya but thats JUST [p-lank <n0yd> ill try it <ricotz> otherwise ppa:elementary-os/testing <n0yd> does it allow me to change monitor eASILY? <n0yd> (plank) <ricotz> ah no, elementary-os/daily for raring <n0yd> like docky, just open settings, highly the dock you want, and drag <n0yd> cause im multyi monitor, laptop and monitor <n0yd> with monitor external as main <ricotz> no, you have to edit a settings file <n0yd> oh ok <n0yd> no biggie as long as thesettings file is sane <n0yd> like conkyrc or similar <n0yd> ricotz, hmm purging your ppa went bad <n0yd> lots of errors, I will pastebin if you dont mind trying to help <n0yd> ricotz, http://pastebin.com/9NX6v1d4 <n0yd> thats where it sytarted to get messy lemme know if you need more <n0yd> im sure i can fix it <n0yd> hmm apt-get -f install saw no problems <n0yd> just had to upgrae after <n0yd> I think that should fix it all <n0yd> cause most if not all the bitching are packages contained in the upgrade <n0yd> hmm wonder why my docky randomly crashes/closes sometimes <n0yd> without error <n0yd> ricotz, any chance you use conky? <ricotz> n0yd, conky that "widget thingy"? no idea <ricotz> so no ;) <n0yd> hyeh its ok <n0yd> its not really a widget <n0yd> as you cant click it <n0yd> ricotz, here is a really busy example http://laabiyad.deviantart.com/art/Conky-Laabiyad-350943668 <n0yd> ricotz, more simple example http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2013/021/d/4/nconky_by_necromod-d5s594a.png <n0yd> Currently mine is just a readable time and date <ricotz> i see <n0yd> hey ricotz im as bit perplexed <n0yd> I did a reboot, and gnome-shell still sayts 3.9.2 after the purge <n0yd> the stuff i see in gnome3 ppa is all 3.8.2 and siuch <n0yd> since ppa-piurge didnt downgrade like it shouldve, how should I do it? <n0yd> if yoyu dont minds helping <n0yd> if you are, then just say so :) <n0yd> looks like it might fix it with ppurge AND aptitude <n0yd> We'll see what breakagew occurs now :P <FrozenFire> Anyone ever successfully get GEdit snippet regular expression placeholders working? <FrozenFire> I've found that they seem just to break the edit, creating an undeletable "tabstop" area. <FrozenFire> Resorted to Python <FrozenFire> Blegh <darkxst> jbicha, 3.8.3 is quite disruptive for a point release ;( <jbicha> darkxst: which package? <darkxst> jbicha, they swapped out the input source switcher, so affects g-s-d/g-c-c/mutter and shell <jbicha> in general, gnome is a lousy upstream, they only do a couple quick bugfix releases and they don't really follow their own freeze policies <jbicha> I guess it works ok for Fedora since Fedora releases after the last major bugfix release <jbicha> technically we aren't using that input switcher because it's part of the ibus integration, right? <darkxst> I think its still used with xkb, just somewhat limited in that case <jbicha> I wasn't expecting gnome releases on a Friday evening <jbicha> I guess the input switcher stuff breaks tweak tool? <darkxst> jbicha, yes I suspect it would <darkxst> jbicha, what package provides the input switcher applet in unity? #ubuntu-gnome 2013-06-08 <jbicha> hmm I don't remember, maybe g-s-d? <jbicha> yeah I'm thinking it was g-s-d https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-gnome-fallback <jbicha> meaning Unity integration may already have been broken with 3.8 <jbicha> or maybe it's part of that giant revert-ibus patch <darkxst> yeh apparently so <darkxst> btw has any progress been made on updating ibus? <jbicha> well that needs to be discussed <jbicha> 'separate layout per window' is apparently back now which was one major blocker <jbicha> the other blocker is creating an indicator for ibus 1.5 <jbicha> darkxst: you have an extra tmp.patch in g-c-c in the staging ppa <darkxst> oops, I will remove it in next upload <jbicha> darkxst: do you think your PK patches for installing languages would be useful at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/681084 ? <ubot5> Gnome bug 681084 in Region & Language "Should use packagekit to add language support" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed] <darkxst> jbicha, yes probably, was planning on upstreaming parts of them <darkxst> but currently laced with some ubuntu specific stuff <darkxst> jbicha, oh btw gnome-session is ready to copy to ubuntu-desktop, although it could perhaps use a sync with debian package first? <jbicha> darkxst: I plan to yank out the fallback session files from it first too <jbicha> I think I'm going to have to upload a gnome-panel 3.8.3~whatever git snapshot so that gnome-session-fallback upgrades still work for our ppa users <darkxst> fallback is a mess right now anyway <jbicha> yes but because fallback uses indicators, it can still be mostly usable <darkxst> ok <marcella> Ciao <marcella> I need some help please :( <marcella> anyone? <ja> hello <jbicha> darkxst: I guess keyboard layout switching is broken with gnome-shell 3.8.3 unless g-s-d 3.8.3 is running <jbicha> we may already have been broken on saucy but this will be a big pain if we don't end up getting g-s-d 3.8.3 in <atrus> so, gst123, totem, rhythmbox, none are working for me under 13.04+gnome3ppa+gnome3staging. <atrus> totem pops up a dialog saying "Some necessary plug-ins are missing. Make sure that the program is correctly installed.", and spits out a few errors on the console (http://pastebin.ca/2393498), with some assertion failures, a null pointer warning, and a note that "** (gst123:22114): WARNING **: can't find typefind element, decodebin will not work <atrus> Error: Your GStreamer installation is missing a plug-in.". <darkxst> jbicha_, probably best to leave zstrickland@example.net for now <jbicha_> darkxst: I
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