#ubuntu-marketing 2006-11-01 <Burgundavia> yo! sloths? anybody awake? <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: you at least must be awake <elkbuntu> i am, but busy <Burgundavia> hmm <Burgundavia> and johnlittle has been awol for quite some time <elkbuntu> gimme a bit and i'll be able to help for about an hour <Burgundavia> sounds good <elkbuntu> ok? gobby? <Burgundavia> sounds good <elkbuntu> are we week 20? <elkbuntu> hmm.. nothing added to it in gobby <Burgundavia> no, nothing <elkbuntu> no you in gobby either <Burgundavia> coming <Burgundavia> Madpilot: can you proof read? <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue20 <Madpilot> sure <Burgundavia> thanks <Madpilot> looks pretty good <Burgundavia> mgalvin: long time, no see <mgalvin> Burgundavia: hey, indeed... hows things <Burgundavia> not bad <Burgundavia> our release notes feel apart <Burgundavia> but the UWN continues <mgalvin> cool, i am glad to see UWN living on and doing well, i read it all the time, you guys are doing a great job with it <Burgundavia> you coming back to help with the release notes? <poningru> hehe yeah <poningru> Burgundavia: you know for mv I can offer up my sobby server if they wanna use it <poningru> I dont know where to put that offer up though <Burgundavia> poningru: email Mark and Matt <poningru> sabdfl and mdz? <Burgundavia> yep <poningru> k <Burgundavia> oh, and jane silbers <Burgundavia> silber, rather <mgalvin> i will help when and where i can, should start to have some free time again within the next few weeks <Burgundavia> cool <Burgundavia> I don't imagine fiesty herd will be <Burgundavia> anytime soon <Burgundavia> hmm, "The usual term for a group of deer is a herd, but there are a couple of alternatives, according to the internet. These are 'leash' and 'mob', although I've never heard these terms used with deer. <Burgundavia> " <Burgundavia> http://experts.about.com/q/Wild-Animals-705/Groups-Deer.htm <Burgundavia> poningru: we ready to roll with the release? <mgalvin> ha, the Ubuntu Mob, sweet (that might not go over to well though) <Madpilot> 'the Ubuntu Mob' would go well with that "We're here for your desktop" poster johnlittle came up with :) <Burgundavia> yep <Burgundavia> that desktop rocked, too bad the image was non-free <Burgundavia> that image, rather <mgalvin> lol <Burgundavia> can somebody start uwn 21? <Burgundavia> http://xkcd.com/c178.html <poningru> yeah looks good <poningru> rofl * ..[topic/#ubuntu-marketing:Burgundavia] : Welcome to the Ubuntu Marketing Team's channel | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam | UWN #20 is out | Help us write UWN 21 - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue21| Channel logs at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ <Burgundavia> nixternal: I have discovered your secret identity: http://www.nypost.com/seven/10312006/gossip/pagesix/birthday_girl_pagesix_.htm <Burgundavia> by "Richard Johnson" <nixternal> you actually read page six? <Burgundavia> no, I read thesuperficial <nixternal> ahh, and that was linked <nixternal> lol <nixternal> well, i didn't know i wrote for the NYP, but I did know that I am a famous author, a professional golfer, a weatherman for the Weather Channel <Burgundavia> rock <Burgundavia> I love common names <nixternal> a hockey player as well i believe <nixternal> i hate them <Burgundavia> I am me, me, me and some professor at some university <nixternal> i hate when i meet someone and they go, are you related to so and so <poningru> what?? pssh <poningru> nixternal isnt a common name at all <poningru> srsly <nixternal> hehe <poningru> nixternal: I am actually on the opposite end of the name spectrum <poningru> Eldo Varghese <poningru> weirdest name in america <nixternal> actually, our best family friend is Varghese, and he is the Chief of Police from the very small town in Michigan wehre I am originally from <poningru> wtf <poningru> where is he from? <poningru> must be a malayalee <poningru> ask him this <poningru> malayalam ariyamo <poningru> elongate the ya <poningru> shorten the o and the ari <nixternal> heh <nixternal> he is from that small town...i guess him and my dad went to high school together many moons ago <Burgundavia> oh, I got my weekly thankyou email from JiaBin Huang <poningru> jiabin? <Burgundavia> he emails me each week to thank me for the UWN <poningru> hehe <elkbuntu> aww how nice :) <Burgundavia> hmm, I solved my cache corruption issue by turning off the cache <Burgundavia> makes it much slower to browse <elkbuntu> :( <poningru> rofl <poningru> cache corruption issue? <poningru> in ff? <Burgundavia> yep <poningru> wait you are an epiphany guy I thought <Burgundavia> yes, but the cache is managed by ff <poningru> 0.o <Burgundavia> hmm, it might also be an issue with my router <poningru> xulrunner you mean <Burgundavia> no, not xulrunner <Burgundavia> ubuntu doesn't use it yet <poningru> oh right <poningru> crazy * poningru cant wait for 2.0 <Burgundavia> 2.0 is out <poningru> 0.o <poningru> err I mean gecko <poningru> 2.0 ff == 1.8 gecko <poningru> 3.0 ff == 1.9 gecko <poningru> 2.0 == teh roxorz <elkbuntu> lol <Burgundavia> ah, right <Burgundavia> we need xulrunner <Burgundavia> don't know how that will play with Moz corp <poningru> very well <Burgundavia> no, they want us shipping FF <poningru> its not trademarked <poningru> well... we dont have to <poningru> ff can be moved to universe... thought I would be very much against that * poningru <3 ff <Burgundavia> I would like us to ship ephy <poningru> yech <poningru> ... I totally fell for that <poningru> oh wow thats not a joke thats real!!! <elkbuntu> hahaha... corey got called an aussie! <Burgundavia> FF is a great browser for Windows <Burgundavia> it shows in all their decisions and how ti doesn't really integrate into Linux <poningru> elkbuntu: arr? <Burgundavia> <Burgundavia> no worries <Burgundavia> <Happy> no worries.. that sounds very Aussie <elkbuntu> poningru, flip over to -locoteams <poningru> Burgundavia: well I guess... but a few extension later... its very linux friendly <Burgundavia> extensions are not an answer <poningru> ofcourse they are <Burgundavia> and that doesn't solve the udnerlying issue <Burgundavia> the way it stores profiles is very window-centric <poningru> how so? <Burgundavia> the fact that it doesn't really integrate <Burgundavia> every other app stores is ~/.app <poningru> same for ff as well <Burgundavia> moz is ~/.mozilla/firefox/asd;lfkhjaerst-978asdfkjh/ <Burgundavia> or something like that <poningru> oh... <poningru> right <Burgundavia> that is a windowism <Burgundavia> where they instlal by default <Burgundavia> /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.4/, etc. <Burgundavia> not acting like a real library, with so numbers <poningru> they no longer have an installer <Burgundavia> no, the default package, until hacked by debian/ubuntu <poningru> again they dont have an installer <Burgundavia> almost everything debian does to Firefox makes it act more like a unix app <Burgundavia> I am not talking about their instlaler <poningru> then... <Burgundavia> I am talking about thier tarball <poningru> ok... why would you put that in /usr/lib? <Burgundavia> half the crap that FF does we don't see because iwj and others get in the way, with much pain to themselves <Burgundavia> becuase libraries go there <Burgundavia> I am talking about the /firefox-1.0.4/ not /gecko2/ or /firefox/ <poningru> hehe I would put it in /usr/local/bin <Burgundavia> I am talking about the package that distros ship <Burgundavia> I deal with FC machiens at work, which ship almost stock FF, as that is what RH packages <Burgundavia> it is a fracking nightmare <Burgundavia> you should listen to whiprush talk about the pain of dealing with FF in a large deployment <poningru> but mofo has no control over where/what names rh puts for different libs <Burgundavia> did you listen to what I said? <Burgundavia> RH <Burgundavia> RH ships almost default FF <Burgundavia> in other words, all teh stupid stuff that moco does <poningru> Burgundavia: I still am not understanding you... the default tarball moco puts out... has not control over where it goes <poningru> I put the entire tar ball into /usr/local/bin <Burgundavia> the binary tarball or the source one? <poningru> binary <poningru> oh you mean make <Burgundavia> I am talking source <poningru> ah gotcha <Burgundavia> I could care less about mocos binaries <Burgundavia> those are even worse <poningru> did moco give reasons why these bugs were wontfixed? <Burgundavia> some of their process things <Madpilot> Given what *else* "mofo" stands for, how on earth has Moz Foundation been saddled with that nick, anyway? <Burgundavia> like not acting like a real library <poningru> Madpilot: rofl <poningru> that joke has been killed and beaten so many times in moznet its not even funny <poningru> no body even uses it anymore <Madpilot> yeah, I'm sure it's not an original observation, just amusing <digitalmouse> greetings programs! :) <BHSPitLappy> greetings mouse <digitalmouse> all quiet here, as usual :) <jenda> yo <digitalmouse> hey there jenda <jenda> aloha <jenda> <Burgundavia> greets jenda <Burgundavia> 21 is ready to edit <Burgundavia> go to town <Burgundavia> needs lots of work on the "in the press" sectoin * jenda will try to find a bit of time, but I honestly doubt it. Study is catching up with me :( <Burgundavia> no worries <Burgundavia> y'all just a bunch o' slackers :) <jenda> I know :) <jenda> I'll do my best - but even so, I've still got marketnig stuff of my own to work on <digitalmouse> if there is something i can do (edit, report, interview, graphics, web-stuff), just holler! <Burgundavia> digitalmouse: play with the UWN? <digitalmouse> hmm... refresh my memory... UWN? <Burgundavia> ubuntu weekly news <Burgundavia> pretty much the sole reliable product of this team :) <digitalmouse> ah right <digitalmouse> have not been in here in a while. i offered up, and even installed, a web-zine CMS system for an Ubuntu Magazine (many many moons ago), but there never seemed to be anything more than 'talk' about it, and commitees, and meetings. so i've been disillusioned about the marketing teams purpose. but i am always willing to support the effort (when there is actually some). <Burgundavia> indeed <Burgundavia> there is a the fridge, which is somewhat seperate <digitalmouse> true <digitalmouse> and there were repreated 'meetings' here about what to offer that the fridge already provides <Burgundavia> I have mused about to merge them, but peope appear to like a "newsletter" <Burgundavia> regardless, we have the UWN <Burgundavia> it works, but needs people <digitalmouse> ok, i'll take a look and see if i can contribute somehow <Burgundavia> see the topic <digitalmouse> will do <Burgundavia> sleep time for me * jenda grumbles about the UWN not being a real marketing product... <poningru> hey guys quick idea <poningru> this may not be marketing domain... but still <poningru> can we check tonyyserver and see who provided most support in #ubuntu <poningru> then give some sort of reward according to that? <jenda> Say... and Ubuntu poster or two? :) <Burgwork> poningru: we should do verfiable things, no vague stuff, for prizes <poningru> right <poningru> it would have to be verifiable <nixternal> there was someone already doing that, but their server either disappeared, or they moved it elsewhere..i haven't seen it in a while <popey> why not help the people who reply to support tickets? <popey> that's more easily verifyable <popey> (although some people seem to reply to tickets with the only intention of bumping up their karma) <Burgwork> why not reward people for marketing? <Burgwork> we are the "marketing team" <jenda> Burgwork: I don't see us doing much marketing, though... <jenda> I'd like to see a good set of howtos for people who would like to market Ubuntu in their area. <jenda> Basically, what spreadubuntu was intended to be - I'm slowly working towards it, BTW, but I don't have enough time. <MagicFab> hi - is anyone using ttf-ubuntu-title in OOo with Edgy ? Just installed it, can't see it. <jenda> I think I used it. <jenda> I _think_. <Burgwork> http://www.platinax.co.uk/news/01-11-2006/linux-distros-u <Burgwork> http://www.platinax.co.uk/news/01-11-2006/linux-distros-ubuntu-trustix-and-suse-accused-of-email-spam/ <MagicFab> Burgwork, Ubuntu is now a "vendor " ? <MagicFab> jenda, can you check it out ? The font shows OK in Gimp and other apps. <jenda> I used it just last week to make Jono a LoCo teams logo, i'm quite sure it works in Inkscape here. <MagicFab> I just have a problem in OOo. Can you check it in OOo ? <jenda> ok <jenda> hmm <jenda> MagicFab: what problem do you have? <jenda> seems ok here. <MagicFab> ubuntu-title font doesnt show up in the list of available fonts (Edgy+Ooo 2) <jenda> It does here :/ <jenda> I upgraded from dapper <jenda> (somewhere at the beta) <MagicFab> me too.. :( <MagicFab> brb #ubuntu-marketing 2006-11-02 * Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-marketing.log <nixternal> http://today.reuters.com/news/articlebusiness.aspx?type=ousiv&storyID=2006-11-02T200544Z_01_WEN8954_RTRIDST_0_BUSINESSPRO-MICROSOFT-NOVELL-DC.XML&WTmodLoc=Home-C4-Business-ousiv-2&from=business <nixternal> Microsoft and Novell Partnering. Microsoft to support SuSE <Burgwork> http://opensource.usca.edu/index.php/Blog/20060926 #ubuntu-marketing 2006-11-03 <lophyte> jenda: I got my eye on my mailbox.. waiting almost impatiently ;) <jenda> should be there soon - sent them yesterday... or maybe even the day before? :) <lophyte> hehe <lophyte> hopefully next week <nixternal> ompaul: way to go for making the "Free Software Foundation" news buddy!!! * lophyte waves at nixternal <ompaul> nixternal, you guys will be hosting RMS Saturday? <nixternal> yes <jenda> OMG <jenda> I wanna go to Chicago :( <jenda> nixternal: BTW, I've been thinking of studying law in Chicago some time in the future ;) <nixternal> john marshall? <ompaul> nixternal, we have a bit of an event on that day: http://www.linux.ie <jenda> dunno, haven't made enough research yet :) It would be in at least 5 years from now, as US law would be no good as part of my masters study :/ <nixternal> well, john marshall is a top law school downtown <jenda> It's probably the one I discussed - I just didn't ask the name :) <nixternal> they are always on tv as well when it comes to huge court cases, as they always have their hand in something <jenda> The guy who I talked with about that used to teach there. <Madpilot> Finished that 'rough' Ubuntu poster. PNG & SVG going into the Marketing webspace right now <Madpilot> http://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/DIY%20Material/Ubuntu_roughcut_poster/Ubuntu-roughcut.png <Madpilot> http://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/DIY%20Material/Ubuntu_roughcut_poster/Ubuntu-roughcut.svg <elkbuntu> MitchM, thanks for the update :) <elkbuntu> Madpilot, v.nice <Madpilot> elkbuntu, thanks. <Madpilot> http://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/DIY%20Material/Ubuntu_roughcut_poster/Ubuntu_roughcut_readme.txt <jenda> argh. the directory is empty again. <jenda> Why did Madpilot have to quit 15 minutes before I got a chance to lart him? <Burgundavia> jenda: issue? <jenda> He ssh'd the files, so the get wiped. <jenda> mdke's cronjob rebuilds the dir every 24 hours from the bzr branch <Burgundavia> right <jenda> So the right way to do this - push your files to the bzr branch, to which everyone in the team has access. <Burgundavia> I will tell him <jenda> ok, thx <Burgundavia> he is my brother, after all :) <jenda> :) <MitchM> no problem elkbuntu =) <KenSentMe> Ik probeer mn digitale videocamera aan te sluiten. Hij staat ook in /dev/raw1394, maar dvgrab geeft telkens aan dat hij niet is aangesloten <MenZa> KenSentMe: no. <KenSentMe> MenZa: hmm, put it in the wrong channel <KenSentMe> Sorry <MenZa> KenSentMe: :D <KenSentMe> My irssi was i bit messed up <KenSentMe> Did you understand it? <tsmithe> where do you think strategic locations around a grammar school would be to leave ubuntu cds? <Burgwork> tsmithe: my policy with cds is as such: as they are valuable, the person has to produce enough interest in them <tsmithe> i do do that. thing is, i need to persuade the right people, and deciding who takes time. i thought curiosity might be all thats needed to read the cd instructions... #ubuntu-marketing 2006-11-04 <Madpilot> So, those images I dumped into the marketing webspace w/o shoving thru bzr first - someone want to walk me thru using bzr to actually get them visible? <Burgundavia> Madpilot: install <Burgundavia> bzr branch url <Burgundavia> edit <Burgundavia> bzr push url <Madpilot> how do I create a new directory? <Burgundavia> bzr branch should pull down the entire dir structure <Madpilot> Burgundavia, sorry, still confused. Do I need to run bzr branch on the directory & files I scp'd in, the push to 'really' put them there? <Burgundavia> no <Burgundavia> pull the bzr branch down off whereever it is <Burgundavia> via 'bzr branch $URL' <Burgundavia> then add your files and push it back up <Madpilot> versioning systems make my tiny brain hurt... <Burgundavia> actually, bzr is really simple <Madpilot> ha <Madpilot> so I need to do "bzr branch http://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/DIY%20Material/", add my new directory & files <Burgundavia> no <Madpilot> huh? what's the URL, then? <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-marketing/+branch/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu <Madpilot> Dog <Burgundavia> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-marketing/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu <Burgundavia> that is your branch <Madpilot> oh lovely, man bzr is another useless man file, that tells you useful things only if you already know them <Burgundavia> bazaar-vcs.org <Madpilot> OK, just to make tonight's exercise faster, what would my full bzr branch command be? Am I obliged to grab the entire archive, just to add three files in one new subdirectory? <Burgundavia> just a sedc <Madpilot> http://bazaar-vcs.org/Documentation appears to lack a "Basic Intro to Bzr" doc; all the stuff under "Using Bazaar" seems to assume you are already an expert at this sort of thing, and is about esoterica of some sort... meh. <Burgundavia> bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-marketing/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu <Burgundavia> that is your command <Burgundavia> but it appears to be taking ages to do anything <Madpilot> Ah, they hide the *real* Using Bazaar info several layers deeper - http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.dev/tutorial.htm - anyway, the command is grinding away, and I've got a mass of stuff coming down the network <Burgundavia> yep <Burgundavia> bitching about the lack of feedback on #bzr right now <Burgundavia> jenda: your branch repo is a mess <Burgundavia> s/y//. <Madpilot> [============ ] fetch phase 0/4 <-- there is some feedback; the line of = similar to wget's <Madpilot> OK, so add my subdirectory & images, then "bzr push <<what??>>" <Burgundavia> same url, I think <Madpilot> k <Burgundavia> I am asking now <Burgundavia> sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-marketing/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu <Madpilot> so it's http coming down, but sftp to get it back up? Odd. <Burgundavia> well, you have to auth a push <Madpilot> of course <Burgundavia> it working? <Madpilot> No. I get "bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: /home/brian/Linux_Misc/UbMarketing Bzr/" <Burgundavia> hmm <Burgundavia> join #bzr and ask <nixternal> http://www.redhat.com <nixternal> hahaha <nixternal> i love their new banner <Madpilot> Oh, FFS. #bzr is dead, and bzr is still giving me stupid errors. <Madpilot> I've set the f'ing thing up three times now, and it barfs every time. <Burgundavia> and usually there are lots of Ubuntu devs to ask, but they are all travelling right now <Burgundavia> I love how consistent RH's marketing colours are <Burgundavia> their website kicks ours to the crub <Madpilot> OK, at least I've got it barfing differently now... <Madpilot> small paste <Madpilot> launchpad.net/~ubuntu-marketing/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu <Madpilot> Permission denied (publickey). <Madpilot> bzr: ERROR: exceptions.EOFError: <Madpilot> at /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/paramiko/sftp.py line 150 <Madpilot> in _read_all <Burgundavia> cool <Madpilot> missed the first line, it should have been "bzr push sftp://bazaar." <Burgundavia> that looks like a permissions error <Burgundavia> ask in #launchpad <nixternal> i thought jenda was the only when allowed to uplaod to spreadubuntu? <nixternal> i get the same error, but all my other branches are fine <Burgundavia> hmm, then that is an issue <Burgundavia> we need to get a DIY branch that people can push to <nixternal> i will check again really quick <Burgundavia> we need bzr+svn <Burgundavia> because we need a single place for people to pull from <nixternal> ok, my check out is working..i will test a commit <nixternal> bzr co http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-marketing/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu/ <nixternal> downloading now <nixternal> bzr == way to slow <Burgundavia> yes, yes it is <Burgundavia> .12 apparently is much faster <nixternal> cool <Burgundavia> and .13 is coming soonish <Burgundavia> speed appears to be the current focus <nixternal> my lord...im still in fetch phase 1/4 <nixternal> there must be some crazy .svg's plugging the pipe <Madpilot> unless they're really gigantic, SVGs aren't usually that large; they're just text files, after all. <nixternal> see, i wouldn't know..i suck with inkscape <Madpilot> apparently I suck with bzr, so it evens out <nixternal> xml file actually..neat <Madpilot> yeah, SVG is a species of XML <Burgundavia> we were talking about bzr sucks at feedback <Burgundavia> the bzr branch is also really really badly laid out <nixternal> im still at fetch phase 1/4 <nixternal> something isn't right here <nixternal> i could have had the entire doc repo downloaded <Madpilot> I've done 'bzr branch' three times tonight, it does work eventually :| <Burgundavia> it is 89mb <nixternal> now im on Build Phase 0/2 <nixternal> ahh that is why <nixternal> done! <nixternal> arg <nixternal> i will have problems ;) <nixternal> im a moron..i used a machine w/o a ssh id <nixternal> Madpilot: your ssh key on that machine, is it the same one that you uploaded to launchpad? <Madpilot> nixternal, SSH key? I don't have an SSH key on LP, far as I know. GPG, but not SSH... <nixternal> lol..you have to have a SSH key on LP before you can use bazaar <nixternal> i keep forgetting about that myself <Madpilot> ah. the docs fail to mention this. <Burgundavia> need to generate that myself <Madpilot> nixternal, it's late here, I've got to get up early. I'm going to leave this mess, and sort it out tomorrow. <nixternal> hehe, but now you know what you need to do <Madpilot> broadly, yes. <nixternal> the only way i knew that, or learned that..was putting my blog on the planet <nixternal> the planet wiki page tells you about it <nixternal> and you need python-paramiko as well <Madpilot> another package, too? Cool. Are there no docs at all for this setup? <nixternal> actually, no there isn't <poningru> yech <poningru> such a mess <nixternal> wow <Madpilot> the LP page says "Insert the contents of ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub or ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub." My ~/.ssh has neither file... <Madpilot> only known_hosts <Burgundavia> you need ot generate an ssh key <Madpilot> More fun. Tomorrow, then - I really do need sleep. <Madpilot> Can we arrange to have someone who knows this stuff actually write down *all* the steps needed somewhere? Please? <Burgundavia> I will play with it and write up a doc <nixternal> i will add that to my to do list if you need me to * poningru will help <poningru> err nm <nixternal> good, i will remove it now ;) <nixternal> nope, you said you will help <nixternal> ;) <poningru> actually have installfest tommorow <nixternal> that isn't an excuse <Madpilot> cool. G'night all... <poningru> nn <nixternal> g'nite Madpilot <poningru> will take tons of pics <nixternal> i ahve RMS tomorrow <poningru> you do? <nixternal> i won't <nixternal> ;) <nixternal> but i will take video <poningru> wait how does one posses rms? <nixternal> at least we are supposed to have video of it <poningru> oh is he giving a talk? <nixternal> Chicago GNU/LUG <nixternal> ya, a talk and then some Emacs and Lisp hacking I have been told <poningru> cool <nixternal> but i doubt that happens, as he is here on a layover <nixternal> he is staying in a $1000/night hotel in Lincoln Park tonight <poningru> hehe gl <nixternal> must be nice <poningru> I dont think he minds crashing at someones couch <nixternal> actually, that was the plan <nixternal> but the company he is here laid over with, is paying for his hotel during the layover <nixternal> we just chipped in $500 from IIT to get him to speak <nixternal> actually I didn't..but the college did <poningru> nice <tsmithe_> help... <Burgundavia> http://ask.slashdot.org/askslashdot/06/11/04/0611256.shtml #ubuntu-marketing 2006-11-05 <poningru> well that blew <poningru> we had one guy come by for the installfest <tonyyarusso> sad <tonyyarusso> where? <poningru> gainesville fl <poningru> see this was meant for non-students in a college town <tonyyarusso> Aaah <poningru> yeah so it was far away from campus <poningru> we didnt advertize on campus <poningru> hit all the grocery shops... craigslist... other random areas for flyering <poningru> apperantly the residents just arent that interested <Burgundavia> installfests are a challenge <Burgundavia> here is what I would do: make it a bring an old computer and install linux for donation fest <poningru> we had awesome success for oncampus stuff <poningru> its just the lug wanted to try something offcampus <tonyyarusso> poningru: I'd love to get some oncampus stuff going - any tips from your success there? <tonyyarusso> Hey all, feedback welcome on http://www.tonyyarusso.is-a-geek.com/images/ *custom.svg <tonyyarusso> (Slightly modified versions of some that I think Madpilot gave me) <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: I didn't click, but is that the OBEY Ubuntu thing he's working on? <tonyyarusso> lotusleaf: No, CD display stand. <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: oh? Awesome <scamboy> helo.. <lotusleaf> hi <scamboy> lotusleaf: so this is the marketing team for ubuntu??? <lotusleaf> scamboy: see topic :) <scamboy> hmn..... <scamboy> so where does the marketing team based on asia??? or except isle where are they?? <BHSPitLappy> huh? <scamboy> hah? <theCore> scamboy, the marketing team is just a group from the community that wants to promote Ubuntu <theCore> scamboy, nothing like a real marketing team <scamboy> oic <scamboy> so wat is the benefit of this channel?? <BHSPitLappy> to talk about ubuntu marketing... :) <scamboy> i know...but how it works? this channel supports me or i support the channel?? <BHSPitLappy> tonyyarusso, why is it the cool thing to do nowadays to install windows 3.1 in an emulator? :P <BHSPitLappy> scamboy, uhh, we just discuss how we promote ubuntu <tonyyarusso> BHSPitLappy: Not so much cool as possible. Although, my dad liked 3.1, so maybe he'll get a kick out of it <BHSPitLappy> posters and free cd covers and etc <BHSPitLappy> tonyyarusso, you're not the only person I've seen playing with that recently <scamboy> hmn..now i understand..thanks..8-) <BHSPitLappy> was it recently made possible? <tonyyarusso> no idea <BHSPitLappy> did you have to pirate it? or are you vintage enough to have some floppies lying around :) <lotusleaf> don't waste your time with old versions of windows, if you want to be 1337 you'll run Amiga or C= <tonyyarusso> theCore: I need to learn how to make/use a chroot... <tonyyarusso> BHSPitLappy: People have it available for download. Not sure if it's still technically pirating or if they wouldn't care any more. <tonyyarusso> BHSPitLappy: Although, yes, we do have floppies, as well as a functional machine, but that's at my other house. <BHSPitLappy> tonyyarusso, MS probably still offers it to retailers with a suggested price of $79 <tonyyarusso> That's funny <tonyyarusso> Hmm...how many pieces of cardstock can I waste making mistakes? <tonyyarusso> Apparently there was a reason there were only 5 bullet points on the original <BHSPitLappy> use paper first <BHSPitLappy> and, by the way, I wasn't exactly drooling over the design you linked us to :/ <theCore> tonyyarusso, https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/appendix-chroot.html <tonyyarusso> BHSPitLappy: Suggestions? (Someone else made it, I just modded text) <BHSPitLappy> ah. <BHSPitLappy> well, it looks pretty unprofessional in its current state <theCore> tonyyarusso, downloads the latest debootstrap and follow the instructions <BHSPitLappy> like a 6th grade MS Office class project or something <tonyyarusso> BHSPitLappy: So to fix that you would ____? <theCore> tonyyarusso, don't forget to change "edgy" for "feisty" in the commands <BHSPitLappy> "redo it myself" :P <tonyyarusso> theCore: All right, looks not-too-bad <tonyyarusso> BHSPitLappy: How though? <tonyyarusso> It doesn't help to say that it should be "different" only. <BHSPitLappy> well, are you printing it with an inkjet or are you going to have something professionally done <tonyyarusso> inkjet <BHSPitLappy> ok, so we don't need to be too conscious of # of colors <BHSPitLappy> second, do you have any photos of what that template looks like folded up? I'm not quick enough to tell just from the net <tonyyarusso> I don't, although one exists somewhere. <tonyyarusso> BHSPitLappy: Here we go: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=full.jpg <BHSPitLappy> hmm, didn't realize it looked like that <BHSPitLappy> I was thinking it was like a full-blown AOL cd dispenser or something :P <BHSPitLappy> and you're stocking it with shipits? <tonyyarusso> Next time I get some. For now I just have home-burned. <tonyyarusso> I should order some, but I'm sad they aren't shipping Edgy <BHSPitLappy> me too <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: that's why I'm burning edgy cds and dvds for distribution <tonyyarusso> lotusleaf: Yeah, I have 13 of those left as well, but some people like the official-looking ones <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: so print out a label for it <lotusleaf> and stick it on em ;) <nixternal> http://flickr.com/photos/78122667@N00/153803178 <-- how much you want to be that is a fake..i asked an ubuntu question today, and got a "no comment" <tonyyarusso> lotusleaf: Yeah, that would be good. Should figure out how to do that. <lotusleaf> nixternal: heh <nixternal> that guy is out there...i wanted to pie him so bad, but i was told i would be arrested for even attempting it <BHSPitLappy> lol <BHSPitLappy> I love the Gates pie video <poningru> Burgundavia: hey dude who do I talk to re: ubuntu iso returning bad mime type <poningru> err as in the website <Burgundavia> the website or a mirror? <poningru> hold on asking <poningru> the columbia mirrors <poningru> BHSPitLappy: why do you like the gates pie vid? <poningru> kinda lame if you ask me <BHSPitLappy> because it's funny <BHSPitLappy> like HA! PIED! * poningru shrugs <BHSPitLappy> out of nowhere <BHSPitLappy> and they looked all vicious, like it was some actual attack or assassination <BHSPitLappy> but it's a -pastry- <Madpilot> So, do we have a sensible doc on uploading to our bzr setup yet? <Burgundavia> nope <Madpilot> Burgundavia, no? What did you do all day, sleep? ;) <Burgundavia> half of it <Burgundavia> then I played video games, cleaned my room and ate <Madpilot> a productive Saturday. I got paid to sit at a desk, watch the awful weather, and check my personal email. <Madpilot> well, to start with one basic step, what's involved in generating the SSH key that LP needs? <poningru> hold on that doc is written <poningru> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_use_key_based_SSH_authentication * poningru ducks <tonyyarusso> ubuntuguide? :O <poningru> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto#head-1ff9e61cfd81e9f741920b6920af8a85f7bddb30 <tonyyarusso> There we go <poningru> :p <poningru> tonyyarusso: re: your earlier comment re: college success <tonyyarusso> poningru: Ah, yes? <poningru> I am starting up a college wiki page for marketing <tonyyarusso> Sweet <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/College <poningru> still half done <poningru> err more like 1/10 done <BHSPitLappy> poningru, I wish I could find other linux users my age <poningru> BHSPitLappy: how old are you? * poningru is afraid to ask <BHSPitLappy> 17. <poningru> loads of lin users <BHSPitLappy> and a high school free software club probably wouldn't take off here <poningru> hehe yeah better to wait that year till you get to college <BHSPitLappy> I really do think I might be the most knowledgeable person at school when it comes to linux, and that's not saying TOO much <Madpilot> with an SSH key fingerprint, is the user@hostname bit part of the fingerprint or not? <nixternal> yes <Madpilot> got that - LP wanted the whole paste of .ssh/id_dsa.pub anyway, not just the fingerprint <poningru> bbl <poningru> like half an hour later <Madpilot> Burgundavia, what was the sftp URL for the bzr repo? Forgot to write it down... <Burgundavia> look on our LP page <Madpilot> there was some other package I needed to make bzr via sftp work, wasn't there? <theCore> BHSPitLappy, eh, I know that feeling... <BHSPitLappy> weird <BHSPitLappy> less than a second after I clicked on this tab, just to see what was going on, you said that <theCore> bah, it just a good timing <BHSPitLappy> or you're watching me through the blinds... * theCore is unmasked :) <theCore> Linux users are hard to find outside of LUG and IRC <BHSPitLappy> I might start a Youth LUG <tonyyarusso> That would be cool. A LUG that's not by region? <BHSPitLappy> I was thinking that, should it be a regional one still or be worldwide <BHSPitLappy> the real point of a LUG is to have people you can actually hang out with in person, right <theCore> BHSPitLappy, yep <BHSPitLappy> a global, online LUG would be kind of moot <BHSPitLappy> I can just go into #ubuntu or something, and say WHO'S A TEEN? WANNA PM? <theCore> also difficult to manage <theCore> well, that's a so-so idea ,,, <BHSPitLappy> also, I don't really want to pay for a domain name or anything <BHSPitLappy> theCore, yeah : <BHSPitLappy> :P <tonyyarusso> Maybe a channel rather than a LUG, make an #ubuntu-teens, along the same vein as #ubuntu-women <BHSPitLappy> I didn't know about the women one <BHSPitLappy> do you have to contact anyone to authorize/officialize a #ubuntu-xxxxxx channel <tonyyarusso> It's not very active, but it exists. <theCore> BHSPitLappy, but, hey you don't have to search far, far to find a young linux user :P <tonyyarusso> Yes, Seveas is in charge of Ubuntu's IRC presence. <BHSPitLappy> theCore, depends on where you live. <BHSPitLappy> I personally think there should be more sub-channels for ubuntu <BHSPitLappy> the main one is too ambiguous and crowded <BHSPitLappy> I mean just for support related topics <BHSPitLappy> #ubuntu-wireless or -laptop or whatever for example <theCore> well, there's -offtopic and -trivia :) <tonyyarusso> BHSPitLappy: There is a laptop one. <BHSPitLappy> yeah <BHSPitLappy> I just mean that idea <BHSPitLappy> #ubuntu-xgl probably deserves a rename/redirect now; it's still the best place probably to get support with accelerated graphics stuff, but the title doesn't really say it right anymore <Madpilot> BHSPitLappy, #ubuntu-how-to-crash-your-system, perhaps? <theCore> Madpilot, :) <BHSPitLappy> har. <theCore> BHSPitLappy, so, where are you from? <BHSPitLappy> tx <theCore> texas? <BHSPitLappy> yeah. <BHSPitLappy> my IP mask isn't too shy about that one <theCore> BHSPitLappy, http://www.linux.org/groups/usa/texas.html <BHSPitLappy> I'm familiar with that page and its contents, thanks <theCore> maybe there's a LUG that you could join... <BHSPitLappy> both the FWLUG and the NTLUG are a little too much "old men club" for me, no offense to old men <theCore> hehe <theCore> find a GNOME club then <BHSPitLappy> kids like me don't want to hang out with the dad's generation <BHSPitLappy> ha <theCore> GNOME peoples are usually younger <theCore> people* <BHSPitLappy> I didn't know they existed. <BHSPitLappy> Gnomes are fairy tale creatures! <theCore> BHSPitLappy, eh <theCore> BHSPitLappy, or you could do like me, and hang on IRC <BHSPitLappy> IRC has lost its excitement <theCore> BHSPitLappy, you could search for a LoCo team <theCore> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList <Burgundavia> meet "Real People" TM <Madpilot> OK, after wasting two days with bzr, I've done what I should have done in the first place - put the images I wanted to share on webspace I actually have access to: http://ubuntu-ca.org/Ubuntu_roughcut_poster/ <BHSPitLappy> there already is one, really <BHSPitLappy> the Dallas LoCo team listed there seems nonexistent <BHSPitLappy> their listed channel isn't even registered <Burgundavia> it occurs me that we probably need web-based system <poningru> BHSPitLappy: how close to houston are you? <poningru> Burgundavia: for? <poningru> meeting people/ <Burgundavia> no, for our documents <poningru> uh... bzr? <Madpilot> Burgundavia, how about svn instead of bzr? Seems simpler, frankly <Burgundavia> webbased is nice <Burgundavia> so svn to download, etc. <BHSPitLappy> poningru, about 5 hours close. <Burgundavia> plus accessible to everybody, including those stuck on windows or machines they don't control <poningru> hmm true * poningru whips up a php app <Burgundavia> poningru: check out knowledge tre <Madpilot> I know bzr is Ubuntu's shiny pet thing, but svn is stupidly easy to set up... <poningru> Madpilot++ <Burgundavia> we already have an svn repo, but it isn't perfect <Burgundavia> webbased means easy account control <Madpilot> LP is webbased, supposedly has easy account control... but the docteam's svn repo is still far easier to set up (write) access to than our bzr repo... <Burgundavia> that isn't what I am talking about <Burgundavia> I am talking about a DMS <Madpilot> a what? <Burgundavia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Document_management_system <Burgundavia> http://www.ktdms.com/ <Burgundavia> sadly it is php, and doens't work on php5 at that <Madpilot> um, how does a DMS differ from a managed repo thru svn/bzr/etc? <Burgundavia> it is entirely web-based <Burgundavia> no commandline tools to master, etc. <Madpilot> is the problem with bzr the commandline, or the documentation quality? <Burgundavia> the commandline <Burgundavia> it is beast to setup, etc. <Burgundavia> look how many more people edit the wiki vs our svn <Burgundavia> I can edit the wiki at work <nixternal> hey Burgundavia, i have a BZR tutorial written up, drafted right now, if you want to take a look at it <nixternal> it is still a little rough around the edges, but the content is there <poningru> nixternal: link? <poningru> Burgundavia: how about... a wiki? <rjian> whats new here? <rjian> HeheHehe <Burgundavia> not good for documents <poningru> Burgundavia: how so? <Burgundavia> no version control, no acls, beast to upload stuff <BHSPitLappy> I've never seen sabdfl online before <BHSPitLappy> I feel so blessed :P <poningru> Burgundavia: ofcourse there is a version control <Burgundavia> for pages, not documents <Burgundavia> I am talking about things like posters and the like <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/bzr <poningru> oh <poningru> wait wtf <poningru> bzr is gpl? <nixternal> yes <poningru> I thought it was in the same boat as lp <Burgundavia> no, far from it <nixternal> hell no <nixternal> thank god ;) <poningru> woah thats a resounding no <nixternal> stupid enter key messed me up <tonyyarusso> poningru: Wow, you weren't kidding about it being a work in progress. <nixternal> ya, made it sound like i was being a d0rk <poningru> tonyyarusso: :p <nixternal> there hasn't been any spell checking or grammar checking..i just threw down words and instructions...if more needs to be added it can be <nixternal> Madpilot: did you get those posted yet, or do you want me to go ahead and do so? <Madpilot> nixternal, go ahead and add them to the marketing repo <nixternal> will do! <Madpilot> thanks <nixternal> and the download begins! <Madpilot> interesting - I just realized that the SVG of that poster is actually larger (in Kb) than the PNG version - usually it's the other way around. <Burgundavia> did you vacuum defs on it? <Burgundavia> that will shrink the size of it <nixternal> Madpilot: which directory do you want them to go into? <Madpilot> Burgundavia, no, I didn't, actually <nixternal> man, the Marketing Branch is Windows directory naming =/ <poningru> wtf <nixternal> ya, naming with spaces <nixternal> it makes tab completes so much fun <Madpilot> nixternal, how about a new directory in DIYMarketing called Ubuntu_posters_roughcut or similar? I've no idea if jenda has a plan for naming, however <Burgundavia> Madpilot: that shrunk it considerably <nixternal> got it <Burgundavia> nixternal: can you vacuum defs on that sucker? <nixternal> i have no idea on how to do that now <nixternal> im an inkscape idiot <Burgundavia> open inkscape <Burgundavia> file > vacuum defs <nixternal> gahaha <nixternal> i can do that i think ;) <Burgundavia> I think you can <Madpilot> Burgundavia, considerably? I got a whole 2kb drop - from 348 to 346Kb... <Burgundavia> hmm <Burgundavia> what is wirelizard? <Madpilot> the very small graphic in the bottom righthand corner of the poster. Zoom in on the SVG version. <nixternal> man, that branch isn't setup correctly at all <nixternal> i can't commit either, i had to commit --local and then push the damn thing <Burgundavia> the other problem with using complicated tool <Burgundavia> but where is the name from? <Madpilot> Burgundavia, the Wirelizard name? The inside of my head, which is strange & thankfully uncharted territory ;) <Burgundavia> ah, right <Madpilot> the lizard itself started as a PD OCAL SVG, which I basically rebuilt for my own amusement <nixternal> alrighty...this little learning experience caused me to write up a troubleshooting section on that bzr doco <nixternal> need a good wiki name before i move it to /community/ <nixternal> LaunchpadBazaarUse <Burgundavia> wonder how many users are jumping ship from OpenSUSE right now? <nixternal> where is there IRC channels? <nixternal> lets go spy <Burgundavia> are there, you mean? <Burgundavia> no idea <nixternal> ya, they are somewhere around here <Burgundavia> hmm, irc.opensuse.org exists <nixternal> they are on freenode <nixternal> lol <nixternal> irc.opensuse.org == freenode ;) <nixternal> #openSUSE <nixternal> #openSUSE-chat for OT <Burgundavia> -fud <nixternal> #openSUSE-project <nixternal> hahaha <Madpilot> Burgundavia, wouldn't that be #novell-fud? * nixternal goes to #openSUSE-chat <nixternal> gahahaha, 4 people <Burgundavia> 190 users <nixternal> man, i did that and lagged <Burgundavia> where is suse getting all their hits on Distrowatch from? <nixternal> we are going in with ubuntu member tags as well <nixternal> from bogus links..don't follow distrowatch, as it is easy to hack now <Burgundavia> why is it easy to hack? <nixternal> burg <nixternal> #opensuse-fud <Burgundavia> was in there <nixternal> that is the novell/ms discussion chan <nixternal> oh <nixternal> damn..i look like a fool then <nixternal> us joining/parting doesn't look good either <nixternal> but ummm, oh well, thats the way the cookie crumbles ;) <Burgundavia> meh <Madpilot> evil Ubuntu users snooping in and out :) <poningru> rofl <Burgundavia> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2006-11/msg00132.html <poningru> haha <nixternal> oh wow, you just busted a dev with that Burgundavia ;) <Burgundavia> yep <nixternal> hahahah <nixternal> that is an Ubuntu Dev saying that...i seen the name and flipped a nut <nixternal> interesting...i thought he was a dev..oh, he is an IRC op..thats where i know him from <nixternal> hahahaha <nixternal> > > I know this isn't your fault, and I'm sorry I have to stop using your <nixternal> > > excellent work. I'm sad to have to change to another distro, I've been a <nixternal> > > fanboy since SuSE 8.0, but this deal is just disgusting. <nixternal> Agreed, it is very disgusting, like going home to find your wife in bed with <nixternal> the worst guy of the office. <nixternal> oops...but hahahahahahahahahahaha <Burgundavia> that is pretty funny <Burgundavia> I feel sorry for the opensuse and N devs <Burgundavia> they are getting shit on by the community <nixternal> me too <nixternal> i hope they goto red hat truthfully <nixternal> or to us of course <nixternal> but most of them rpm guys will probably head over to fedora and what not <Burgundavia> "Hug a Novell engineer today: It's not their fault" <-- from the gnome-hackers chan topic <Burgundavia> next GUADEC should be interesting <nixternal> hahahhahahahaha <nixternal> i so wish i could find the picture someone did of the Edgy Lizard doing the SUSE Lizard..thta was classic <Madpilot> some lizard love for the Suse iguana? <nixternal> yup <nixternal> i seen it around july/august <Burgundavia> http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu%20fucking%20suse&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 <Burgundavia> take a look at the first hit <nixternal> hahahaha <poningru> do I wanna click? <Madpilot> the first link is just a Digg rantpage <poningru> ah <Burgundavia> digg rantage is funny <Madpilot> odd def'n of 'funny' you have ;) * poningru fills room with laughing gas * nixternal faints <nixternal> THAT IS METHANE, NOT NITROUS!!! <poningru> *spark* * poningru ducks <nixternal> ^^W^^W^^BOOM^^WW^^WW^^ <Burgundavia> http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,,1939890,00.html <-- hate your neighbours? knock his house down <Madpilot> nixternal, how often is the web portion of Marketing's bzr repo rebuilt, any idea? <nixternal> the one on the doc server? <Madpilot> yes <nixternal> i really don't know <nixternal> well, by the looks of it Madpilot, i would have to say soon <Madpilot> [jenda] idle 38:11:26 <-- I suspect he's not around to ask <nixternal> heh, guess not <nixternal> i wonder if there is just a bzr cron running that stats the branch, and then upgrades/updates the doc server <Burgundavia> yes, there is a cron job <nixternal> you know..there is ssh to that server as well..i just can't remember the info <Burgundavia> Madpilot knows that <nixternal> heh <Burgundavia> 'cause he scp'ed something tehre <nixternal> scp then, or fish if you have kde goodness <Madpilot> right, but the scp'd stuff gets eaten & 404's <nixternal> hrmm <Burgundavia> the cron job nukes the folder and rebuilds it <Burgundavia> do you see why need something better? <nixternal> ahh <nixternal> alrighty..im crashing..my day was filled with work, rms, and ignorance <nixternal> g'nite all <Madpilot> night nixternal <poningru> oh right today was the rms thing <poningru> nn dude <Madpilot> http://blog.wired.com/halloween2006/2006/11/ubuntu_pumpkin.html <BHSPitLappy> that's so sad <BHSPitLappy> why would someone do that? <Madpilot> BHSPitLappy, do what, carve faces into pumpkins? The pumpkins don't seem to mind. ;) <BHSPitLappy> Madpilot, no, smash the ubuntu one <Madpilot> That's just Rule #1 in action. <Madpilot> Rule #1: Many people are stupid. <jenda> Burgundavia: looks like someone bzr'd Madpilots posters in the end? <jenda> ompaul: congrats to gNewSense 1.0 :) <ompaul> jenda, thanks, I am now wondering what to do next with it, and I think a faq on installing Flash and various restricted modules is out of the question :) <tsmithe> so yall, would putting some cds in the computer lab at school plus a poster or two be a good plan? (i don't like that place... gives me the creeps...) <tsmithe> halloo? <tsmithe> i'll just sit in this corner by myself then <tsmithe> good. be that way... <ompaul> tsmithe, it might be better to offer to give CDs away if someone asks, and put up info about the distro and what you can do with it <tsmithe> that's what i do. but i want to get people interested quickly <ompaul> tsmithe, and then they loose interest quickly <tsmithe> really, why? <tsmithe> thats sad <ompaul> tsmithe, it is the era of instant everything <tsmithe> i didnt, and no-one gave me a cd <ompaul> so you have to make them hunger for it <ompaul> offer them solutions <ompaul> to their problems <tsmithe> that's the idea of putting up the poster... they don't even know they have problems. they just think that's what computers are like <ompaul> so say you have no virus issue <ompaul> say you have no rebuild cos it is slow issue <ompaul> what is spyware <tsmithe> im not following you... <ompaul> say what issues you don't have <ompaul> say what you do have <tsmithe> uhuh <ompaul> you have an "alternative" to their way of computing <ompaul> not a replacement <ompaul> this means that it does not do exaclty what the other does but guess what you can do so much more <ompaul> etc <tsmithe> cool <tsmithe> but wouldnt mass marketing be quicker. or are we learning from apple (where it doesnt really seem to have worked...) <ompaul> tsmithe, if you want to make it work do this <ompaul> (A) become as expert as you can <ompaul> (B) train people who can do what you can do in terms of installing <ompaul> (C) train people in the thinking behind Ubuntu <ompaul> (D) get good at understanding people <ompaul> (E) offer to help people - put defined limits on what help you will give <ompaul> (F) don't be afraid to walk away <ompaul> (F) don't be afraid of people not understanding <tsmithe> that's hard work. <ompaul> (H) do not get angry, remember most people do not get what is happening to their freedom <tsmithe> i dont have the time, really, though i'd love to <ompaul> tsmithe, so then quick hit a few CDs and hope some of it sticks <tsmithe> we need a mass marketing scheme. on tv (the news appearances are doing their bit, I feel) <ompaul> but <ompaul> but <ompaul> but <ompaul> you are missing it - marketing it without support is just a way to alienate people <tsmithe> i know i know. it's true. we need vendors to do the support. something that people are used to <ompaul> so more important would be to tell people about help.ubuntu.com/community and help.ubuntu.com read the main points in those before you start so if your asked any questions you can at least look like you know more <ompaul> tsmithe, not in their interest (yet) <tsmithe> soon. hopefully (microsoft is gonna lose out big time with vista i feel0 <ompaul> it has nothing to do with vista <ompaul> it has to do with choice <tsmithe> vista will put pressure on people. they'll start to look for the choice that before they did not recognise <tsmithe> we need microsoft to kill themselves <ompaul> it has nothing to do with them <ompaul> your energy if directed incorrectly <tsmithe> ... <ompaul> you have 30 seconds with someone - think, do they want to hear you say "Windows is rubbish"? <tsmithe> no. <ompaul> or would they rather hear <ompaul> You know you have another option, you may have to release some of your concepts of what computing is, because you can be so much more flexable, but you know what you won't have to pay to find out <ompaul> here is a live CD and here is a page of the top 10 useful urls <ompaul> have a nice day <ompaul> sold in 30 <tsmithe> the second of course. but if we do marketing en masse, with information about the community support, then I won't have to (as it is so hard to) find people who will listen <tsmithe> many people say that because it's free it must be crap: this is all life experience has taught them <tsmithe> well, im gonna get lunch now... * somerville32 pings. <somerville32> How do I do line breaks in the Ubuntu wiki? <MenZa> somerville32: <br /> <somerville32> haha, ok <somerville32> I tried <br/> <somerville32> Thanks :] <ompaul> somerville32, or two lines below a line * jenda peeks in again :) * MenZa waves <jenda> allo :) <somerville32> :] <MenZa> hey :) <nixternal> somerville32: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BR <-- do that <nixternal> yo yo marketeers <poningru> anyone know how I can listen to the speeches? <somerville32> At the conference thinger? <jenda> poningru: VoiP <jenda> have a look at the Participation wikipage. <poningru> sweet <poningru> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick <poningru> err <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Participate <somerville32> Is Corey around? <jenda> nope... <jenda> somerville32: ^ <somerville32> haha * somerville32 nods. <somerville32> Hey Corey <lophyte> Burgundavia: ping <Burgundavia> lophyte: pong <lophyte> somerville32: there ya go :) <lophyte> Burgundavia: somerville32 was looking for you <Burgundavia> right <somerville32> Burgundavia: Can I talk with you in private query? <Burgundavia> shoot <Burgundavia> all you slackers (including me), lets get this UWN out tonight-ish <elkbuntu> yeah, stop slacking * elkbuntu whistles innocently and wanders off <poningru> oh snap true <somerville32> Can I help with UWNL21? <Burgundavia> yep <somerville32> Anything that needs doing? <nixternal> hey Burgundavia, lets use the canonical server for the uwn, and do it live ;) <Burgundavia> sure <Burgundavia> it there anything for 21 on poningru's server? <poningru> yeah true <poningru> dont think so <poningru> nope nothing #ubuntu-marketing 2006-11-06 <poningru> http://uf.freeculture.org/wiki/Linux_commercial <poningru> we are making a commercial <poningru> need help with the script <poningru> actual status: not funny <poningru> wanted: funny <tonyyarusso> Also, needs to be less like a job interview. <tonyyarusso> Mac and PC should be a little bit scared and incredulous, not interested. <poningru> yeah... <poningru> so write
{'channel': 'ubuntu-marketing', 'month': 11}