#ubuntu-classroom 2007-05-02 <kiowa_> hi <devian> hallo guys <w00dr0w> hello? <swuboo> Yep. <w00dr0w> sweet <swuboo> What exactly are you trying to do? <w00dr0w> I need to transfer the contents of disk to disk1 (basically my c drive to my e drive), both are mounted (as you can prolly tell) but i need root access <w00dr0w> I dont want to logon as root, and i dont want to sudo it in term <swuboo> Hrm. <w00dr0w> by that i mean, do it all using terminal using sudo <swuboo> You're trying to copy a drive that has system files on it? <soundray> w00dr0w: is 'sudo -i' an option? <w00dr0w> it has windows system files on it, but it's not the ubuntu part <w00dr0w> im on the livecd <swuboo> Have you considered using Alt-F2 to bring up a command line, and running 'gksudo nautilus'? <w00dr0w> you know, ive been in linux for about 10hrs total so i dunno many term commands <w00dr0w> (used mandrake, knoppix, morphix, etc) <swuboo> That will bring up a copy of the window browser, with root access. <w00dr0w> sweet <swuboo> In other words, you won't be logged on as root, but you'll give that particular window root power. <w00dr0w> gksudo nautilus? <swuboo> Yeah. <w00dr0w> ty, will try it now <soundray> w00dr0w: in the medium term, you should look at basic command line operation: <soundray> !cli <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal <w00dr0w> can i have 2 windows open (so i can drag n drop) <soundray> yes <swuboo> Yeah, just run gksudo nautilus twice. <w00dr0w> i know about the terminal <w00dr0w> i just hate it <w00dr0w> brings me back to the old dos days <swuboo> I rather enjoy it for exactly that reason. <swuboo> Childhood nostalgia. <w00dr0w> lol <swuboo> "You attempt to ford the Mississippi. The wagon floods. Jesus has drowned." <w00dr0w> i miss that game <w00dr0w> never got to oregon either <swuboo> I rather liked the Win 95 sequel. Where you could buy six hundred gallons of laudanum. <w00dr0w> always like a town before it before class ended <swuboo> Nautilus working for you? <w00dr0w> hrmm <w00dr0w> its sorta working <w00dr0w> i cant find the drives now <w00dr0w> i know they're mounted <swuboo> What directory are you in? <w00dr0w> im @ root right now <w00dr0w> well <w00dr0w> its "file system" <swuboo> /media <w00dr0w> ahh <w00dr0w> stupid me, i was looking in mnt <w00dr0w> does the little lock symbol over the drives mean anything? <swuboo> Yeah. <swuboo> It means access is limited. <swuboo> Probably that's because you're looking at a Windows drive, and Linux won't write to NTFS partitions. <w00dr0w> it cant write to NTFS? <w00dr0w> oh shat <w00dr0w> im screwed <swuboo> I think there are some ways of doing it, but they're unreliable. <w00dr0w> i thought they had write access for while now? <swuboo> Maybe I'm behind the times on that. <swuboo> Could be. <w00dr0w> well im gonna fsk with the permissions n see if i cant move a file over <w00dr0w> brb <swuboo> Good luck. <swuboo> As an alternative possibility, if you need to get files TO an NTFS partition, you could create a temporary FAT32 partition somewhere. <w00dr0w> sonofajackhammer <swuboo> Neither Linux nor Windows have any qualms or problems with FAT32. <w00dr0w> read only disk <w00dr0w> yea <swuboo> If you hit google, you'll probably find a few ways to write to an NTFS partition. <swuboo> And if memory serves, most of them come with a warning that you might wreck the NTFS partition in the process. <w00dr0w> the shitty thing is, all i want to do is copy my drive over so i can format it for a clean install of winblows <swuboo> Hrm. <w00dr0w> but i can do it in windows because most the files i need copied are "in use" <w00dr0w> can't* <swuboo> DOS boot disk? <swuboo> Or Hell, got a CD burner? <swuboo> Burn the files from your NTFS partition you want to save onto CD. When you reinstall windows, it'll have no problem reading the CD's, just because Linux burned them. <w00dr0w> i gota a burner, but i dont wanna use 10 dvds <swuboo> It may be your best bet. <w00dr0w> and they're lightscribe, i dont have any el-cheapos left <w00dr0w> $1.05 a pop <swuboo> Hrm. You're trying to copy a hard drive onto another hard drive, so that you can reformat the first drive, yes? <w00dr0w> yes <swuboo> Norton Ghost? <w00dr0w> just a few files off the first HDD, not like the winbloz folder or sys files <w00dr0w> no $$$ <swuboo> Just a few files, but those few files would fill ten DVD's? <w00dr0w> you wouldnt believe how big uncompressed 1080p avi's are <swuboo> Phewf, yes I would. <swuboo> So the second drive, that you're moving them /to/. <swuboo> Is there anything important on it? <w00dr0w> about 10yrs of work <swuboo> ... <swuboo> Right. <w00dr0w> its my backup drive <swuboo> Riiiight. <w00dr0w> well, one of my backup drives <swuboo> And you can't move these files to your backup from within windows, because windows won't let you move them? <w00dr0w> nope <w00dr0w> they're "in use" <swuboo> I think you might have to use some of those lightscribes. <swuboo> I would /not/ recommend trying to use someone's jury-rigged NTFS writer to move files of that magnitude onto a partition of that importance. <w00dr0w> yea, im not gonna risk losing my backups again <swuboo> I think you've got to suck it up and burn them. <swuboo> Or postpone a Windows reinstall until you've got cheap discs handy. <w00dr0w> hrmmm <w00dr0w> damn you linux coders, wheres my NTFS write access <w00dr0w> you've had long enough <w00dr0w> *shakes fist* <w00dr0w> brb, gonna check other channel to see if someone else can come up with a better solution <w00dr0w> i mean, its worth the $11 to get them transfered, but the time itd take to burn them all <swuboo> Good luck. <swuboo> And yeah, that would be a long, dull process. <soundray> Even Windows doesn't guarantee damage-free writing to NTFS <w00dr0w> ... <w00dr0w> isnt NTFS supposed to be more redundant then fat32 <swuboo> Yeah, which is why Linux has such problems, as I understand it. <swuboo> NTFS maintains various indexes and journals to help keep track of changes, but those are managed by Windows. <swuboo> So you'd basically be jamming huge wads of data into the drive without taking advantage of the redundancies, and possibly wrecking them. <w00dr0w> also, the other problem with the dvd writing <w00dr0w> i only have 1 optical drive <w00dr0w> of which ubuntu is currently running off of <w00dr0w> :'( <swuboo> That's fine. <swuboo> You can take the ubuntu disk out, I believe. <swuboo> Everything it needs should be in memory. <soundray> swuboo: I'd be very surprised. <swuboo> I thought you could? <soundray> No, it isn't <swuboo> Bugger. <w00dr0w> didnt think i could either <soundray> swuboo: you can with knoppix or DSL if you boot with the 'toram' option <w00dr0w> esp since the disk spins every time i launch an app <swuboo> Yeah, I'm willing to accept that I'm wrong on that. <w00dr0w> whats this ntfs-3g? <w00dr0w> ubotu just suggested it <swuboo> Pull up Synaptic and take a look. <w00dr0w> (05:57:08 PM) ubotu: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) <w00dr0w> (05:57:37 PM) w00dr0w: you need to have more self esteem, give yourself a little credit <w00dr0w> (05:57:38 PM) ubotu: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) <w00dr0w> he just doesnt listen <swuboo> No, he's not gregory37@example.net. <w00dr0w> so about this ntfs-3g <w00dr0w> is it reliable? <swuboo> I only heard of it about, oh, two minutes ago. <w00dr0w> heh <w00dr0w> Ubuntu 7.04 can read and write files on the NTFS drives commonly used by Windows. It is necessary to install the NTFS 3G driver Reference. Follow the steps below. <swuboo> But, uh, Wikipedia says it is. If that helps you. <swuboo> Of course, Wikipedia was wrong about the /name/ of one of my favorite historical figures. <w00dr0w> who? <swuboo> Colonel Paul Emil von Lettow-Vorbeck. <w00dr0w> and dont say lenon <w00dr0w> heh, a german? <swuboo> Quite. <w00dr0w> what was he "famous" for? <swuboo> One of the most brilliant commanders of the Great War. <w00dr0w> ahh <swuboo> He's not particularly famous, actually. <swuboo> He led the colonial defense force in German Southeast Africa. <swuboo> Tanzania now. <w00dr0w> and whatshisface got all the credit <w00dr0w> nuremburg or whatever <swuboo> No, no one else really got the credit for his work, but it kinda got sidelined by history. <swuboo> He was quite famous at the time, though. <swuboo> German SE Africa was surrounded on all sides by enemy colonies. <swuboo> By the end of the war, he had more men than he'd started with, all his equipment was captured enemy gear, and when he was ordered to surrender, he was hundreds of miles into British territory. <swuboo> The British and the Portuguese wasted tens of thousands of troops chasing him around for four years. <w00dr0w> you'll have to excuse my lack of intelligence ATM, im on some pretty strong meds right now so i cant recall a lot (im a big history buff) <swuboo> Heh. <swuboo> By contrast, the Germans only ever sent him one ship of supplies. <w00dr0w> ohh what was it <swuboo> Quinine, rubber, ammunition, the usual. <swuboo> But the thing is--- they only had to send him one ship. <swuboo> And he started the war with about two thousand troops. <swuboo> The British committed over a hundred thousand troops to catching him. <swuboo> And they never did. <w00dr0w> there was a naval battle in the pacific that was awesome (sorry to change the subject, but maybe you heard of it) <swuboo> In the first World War? <w00dr0w> second <swuboo> Ah, this was First. <w00dr0w> are you talking about the 1st? <w00dr0w> ahh no wonder im confused <swuboo> Yeah, WWI. <swuboo> Real interesting fellow. <swuboo> He sat WWII out. <w00dr0w> you said the big war, so i assumed <w00dr0w> ;) <swuboo> WWI was called the Great War until well into WWII. <swuboo> It was only after people starting calling the Second World War the Second World War that they started calling the last one the First World War. <swuboo> As for big battles in the Pacific in the Second World War, there were quite a few of those. <w00dr0w> but back to the naval battle, give me a sec to get my facts stright, but it was like 5 US navy ships (not even like big destroyers or anything, mostly scouts) going up against one of the japanese's strongest fleets <swuboo> Hrm. No, I'm not sure I know which one you mean. <w00dr0w> *heads over to wiki* <w00dr0w> give me a sec <w00dr0w> ill get the facts stright <swuboo> Sure. <w00dr0w> just gotta remember the prize japanese juggernaught <swuboo> ] Juggernaut? <swuboo> Yamato? Musashi? <w00dr0w> 2 more seconds, almost got it <w00dr0w> think it was yamato <w00dr0w> yea <w00dr0w> it was the yamato <swuboo> Heh, Yamato got nailed by several hundred planes when she went down. <w00dr0w> TAFFY3 <swuboo> Hrm. <swuboo> Battleships on escort carriers, eh? <w00dr0w> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taffy_3 <w00dr0w> scroll down to "the forces" <w00dr0w> like the most lop-sided naval battle ever <w00dr0w> and we "won" <swuboo> Heh. <swuboo> Yeah, so it would appear. <swuboo> Well, thinking those were fleet rather than escort carriers would be a good reason to bug out. <w00dr0w> i like the aftermath portion <w00dr0w> test <w00dr0w> whew <w00dr0w> wonder why i couldnt type before #ubuntu-classroom 2007-05-03 <shawarma> 7win 6 #ubuntu-classroom 2007-05-04 <Django84> hi! <Django84> got a GRUB trouble <Django84> I fixed my menu.lst, but something is making it go to an old menu.lst <Django84> yo <Django84> dudes <Django84> dudes <Django84> yo <ash211> Django84: this channel isn't for support <ash211> see #ubuntu instead #ubuntu-classroom 2007-05-05 <variant> woo <variant> !rules <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines <variant> is there something to describe what this channel is for or how it should be used? <unimatrix9> its seems to be an class room, but the teacher is absent... <LjL> !classroom <ubotu> The Ubuntu Classroom is a project which aims to tutor users about Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu through biweekly sessions in #ubuntu-classroom - For more information visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom <nothlit> variant: its also used for open week, and for longer one on ones that would get lost in #ubuntu #ubuntu-classroom 2007-05-06 <variant> nothlit: cool * netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> brown.freenode.net #ubuntu-classroom 2007-05-07 <n2diy> ! calc 100/10 <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about calc 100/10 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi <jrib> No1: hello <No1> ZHi <No1> Hello; <No1> :) <jrib> !java <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre <No1> I dont understand the instructions! <jrib> No1: you want sun java? <No1> Yes <jrib> that was for me to see the link <jrib> No1: the key is the first two paragraphs <No1> ok <jrib> you need to enable Multiverse <No1> How? <jrib> do you see where it talks about that at the top? <No1> Yeha <No1> yah & <jrib> it links you to "Managing Repositories", click there <No1> And then <jrib> No1: you are using Ubuntu? (not kubuntu, xubuntu, etc..) <No1> Linux Ubuntu <jrib> ok, so now you read the page and click on the link for "Managing Repositories in Ubuntu <jrib> " <No1> yeah <No1> Managing Repositories in Ubuntu <No1> right <jrib> alright take a couple of minute to run through those instructions. They should be easy to follow with the screenshots <No1> ok <No1> jrib <No1> Mine doesn't have anything <jrib> yes? <No1> CAlled <No1> software properties <jrib> No1: how about "software sources"? <No1> In the 'System>Administration' menu <No1> eys <No1> I have that <jrib> yes, that's what you want <No1> It doesn't look like the picture <jrib> No1: after you open that, just make sure the first four checkmarks are enabled <jrib> No1: yeah, it's for an older ubuntu version it seems <jrib> No1: the four first choices should say (main) (universe) (restricted) and (multiverse) at the end of each line. Is that correct? <No1> yeah <jrib> k, check those four <No1> What about the one that's called 'Source Code' <jrib> No1: that's if you want to download source code, it won't hurt anything if you enable it <No1> K <No1> Should I do the synaptec part? <jrib> nah <jrib> just hit "close" and it should tell you to "reload" <No1> the 4 were already checked <No1> it didn't say anything <jrib> ok <No1> and what do I do now? Installing Sun Java <jrib> go to add/remove <jrib> type "sun java" in the search box and choose "all available applications" from the show dropdown menu <No1> should I check 'sun java 5.0 plugin'? <jrib> if you want it <No1> What Should I check? <jrib> if you want the plugin, check the plugin, it will grab the other stuff you need automatically <No1> Ok <No1> And is there anything special ishould do to make it run with firefocx <No1> fox8 <No1> fox * (sorry, bad spelling) <jrib> you'll need to restart firefox <No1> Ok <No1> cool <No1> :D <No1> jrib, <No1> not to get into personal stuff <No1> do you have aim or msn <jrib> nope, don't use them <No1> Ah <No1> ko <No1> ok * <No1> Wow, ubuntu is awsome :D <No1> I don't know why Microsoft just doesn't implement some of the technology of Linux, and maybe people would like them <No1> lol <jrib> indeed <No1> :-P <No1> jrib, whats so good about beryl <No1> and why doesn't beryl work <No1> I followed their little instructions, was I suppose to see a difference <No1> because nothing changed <jrib> No1: yes, you're windows should be wobbling <jrib> No1: try #ubuntu-effects for help with beryl <No1> Thats all beryl does? <Mutantx> can someone help??? I'm wondering why when I do mount.smb //riofiles/lockers /mnt/StudentsLockers/ -o credentials=/root/.credentials,gid="domain users" <Mutantx> I get drwxr-xr-x 1 root domain users 4096 May 6 18:38 StudentsLockers/ <Mutantx> instead of xrWxr-x 1 root domain users 4096 May 6 18:38 StudentsLockers/ <No1> Mutantx <No1> because it doens't like you <No1> jk <No1> :P <Mutantx> giving "domain users" permission to write? <Mutantx> I know... I'm starting to think that way <No1> Hehe <jrib> !samba | Mutantx <ubotu> Mutantx: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT <jrib> Mutantx: seems you need a umask <Mutantx> umask? <jrib> Mutantx: yes, see the wiki #ubuntu-classroom 2007-05-08 * FTMichael is irritated as hell. <nalioth> yup <nalioth> install it from the repos, and uninstall it <nalioth> why did you compile the same thing that is in the repos? <FTMichael> Makes me not want to compile anything ever again <nalioth> not at all <FTMichael> I was using Edgy when I compiled it. I think it's new in the repos for Feisty <nalioth> compiling is easy, when there is a need <nalioth> always use checkinstall <nalioth> insteaed of 'make install' <nalioth> checkinstall makes a rudimentary .deb package * FTMichael nods and goes to investigate <FTMichael> installed. Now completely removing it. <FTMichael> Okay, iriverted 16 completely removed and iriverter 17 installed via java file from the programmer's website. Hopefully that will work. Hell if I knew where it installed it, of course #ubuntu-classroom 2007-05-09 <Mutantx> can anyone help me on how I can mount ChildFolder that's under //Server/ParentFolder to /mnt/ContentOfChildFolder ? * Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-classroom.log #ubuntu-classroom 2007-05-10 <cyril_> hello <nalioth> howdy #ubuntu-classroom 2007-05-11 <rob__> hello, does apache come installed on 7.04? <nalioth> rob__: it does not <nalioth> rob__: have you looked at the repository structure? <rob__> found you :D <nalioth> !multiverse <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource <rob__> ok, i'm trying to get a local copy of an old website up. <rob__> it uses apache 2.0.54 <nalioth> rob__: well, we don't install from source in Ubuntu unless there's a specific need for it <nalioth> !info apache <ubotu> apache: versatile, high-performance HTTP server. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.34-4.1 (feisty), package size 384 kB, installed size 816 kB <nalioth> looks like you're living in the future <rob__> i don't understand <nalioth> the apache that comes with feisty, is version 1.3.34-4.1 <rob__> hmmm, that's old, isn't it? <rob__> maybe i've got the version wrong. i'll check apache.org <rob__> ok, any reason i can't install 2.0.54 on feisty? <nalioth> rob__: not really any reason not to <rob__> maybe i should ask in #apache instead? (i'm pretty new to irc, too!) <nalioth> no, you can ask here <nalioth> do you have all your repos set up? <neversfelde> the package apache2 is version 2.2.3-3.2 <neversfelde> apache is 1.3.34 <nalioth> aha <nalioth> rob__: there ya go <rob__> where?? <nalioth> rob__: again, do you have universe and multiverse repositories set up? <rob__> feisty comes with 1.x, repository offers 2.2.x; i (think) i want 2.0.54 <rob__> i think so, it did a big update. i'll double check. <rob__> on the Synaptic software sources "Ubuntu" tab, everything is checked. <nalioth> the web site won't work at all with 2.2x ? <rob__> I'm not sure, there are several components <rob__> it's more of a web application... python scripts, postgresql backend, etc. <rob__> i haven't installed the other parts yet <nalioth> why not install the apache2 we offer and see? <rob__> i can try, at least i should succeed with the apache install, right? <rob__> go through Synaptic? <nalioth> rob__: yes, use synaptic <nalioth> there is almost no need at all to compile stuff #ubuntu-classroom 2007-05-12 <soundray> Hi <BigMac> Hey <soundray> What's your chipset <soundray> ? <BigMac> alright so I have a broadcom chipset which I know are a bi*** to get working <soundray> i386 or amd64? <BigMac> I have tried following a guide that is made for my laptop, but it is supposedly crap <nalioth> or powerpc? :P <BigMac> i386 <soundray> nalioth: do you mean that old, not officially supported platform? <soundray> ;) <BigMac> I tried this guide but the first two steps didn't remove ndiswrapper <BigMac> http://ubuntu1501.blogspot.com/2007/01/fixing-wifi-on-dell-1501.html <soundray> BigMac: have you seen this: http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/dists/feisty-cafuego/all/ <BigMac> then if you scroll down I followed the poster named c0ld instructions <BigMac> using bcm43xx-fwcutter driver <BigMac> no I will check it now <BigMac> anything is worth an attempt <soundray> Re. removing ndiswrapper: <soundray> The kernel module is part of the default install. Make sure it is not listed in /etc/modules <soundray> You may also want to blacklist it: sudo sh -c 'echo blacklist ndiswrapper >/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-ndiswrapper' <soundray> Although that's probably overkill <soundray> But you do want to be sure that the rmmod worked. <BigMac> the rmmod did nothing <BigMac> gave an error if I recall <soundray> lsmod | grep -q ^ndiswrapper && echo ndiswrapper is still loaded <BigMac> didn't echo anything to me <BigMac> and I don't see a modules folder in etc <soundray> It's a file, and I'd be surprised if you didn't have gregory37@example.net... <BigMac> I can paste the output to pastebin, but nothing was output from that snipper <BigMac> snippet <soundray> How about cat /etc/modules ? <BigMac> http://rafb.net/p/O3ASlr23.html <soundray> Fine <BigMac> should I run the commands on that site you linked me to? <soundray> It looks to me like the firmware on that site should be the same as the firmware you've already prepared with fwcutter <BigMac> Ok so what should I be doing <soundray> Try again <soundray> but don't disable the connections like c0ld says <soundray> Set them to "Roaming mode" if you want to set it up through networkmanager <BigMac> I didn't get that far <BigMac> I just went through 1-3 <BigMac> clicked my network <BigMac> and it wouldn't connect <BigMac> SO I should disable everything? <soundray> No, read what I said <BigMac> ok <BigMac> sorry I don't know where to adjust those settings, I looked in network tools <soundray> One above, in Networking <BigMac> It says roaming mode enabled already <soundray> That's good then <BigMac> ok <BigMac> so what else should I be doing <soundray> Can you do a iwlist ap <BigMac> surr <BigMac> sure <soundray> What's your interface name? <BigMac> http://rafb.net/p/rUDts424.html <soundray> I see, you haven't got a wireless device yet <BigMac> My SSID? Otherwise I don't know what you mean <soundray> You have two wired Ethernet sockets? <BigMac> I am not sure what you mean <BigMac> Sorry I am usually not this computer illiterate <BigMac> I do have a built in wifi card, and I have one ethernet port on the back <soundray> Are you connected through the Ethernet right now? <BigMac> Yup <soundray> Is that eth0? <BigMac> yes <soundray> Have you got the bcm43xx module loaded? Check with <soundray> lsmod | grep ^bcm <BigMac> http://rafb.net/p/KXovG972.html <soundray> The driver is loaded, then <BigMac> ? <BigMac> SHouldn't it be working then <soundray> BTW, I don't mind you pasting a few lines here. It's the main channel where pasting can be a major problem. <BigMac> Oh ok <soundray> I don't know, I'm trying the same thing here, and it doesn't work, either... <soundray> Driver loads, but no new interface appears <BigMac> hmm <BigMac> Perhaps I should try the actual driver in that guide, but the first 2 commands do nothing <soundray> The ones to remove ndiswrapper? <BigMac> yah <soundray> The rmmod command worked. You have no ndiswrapper module now. <BigMac> ok <BigMac> so should I try the guide all the way through then report back <soundray> To check whether ndiswrapper-utils is installed, do a <BigMac> or do you think it is not worth it <soundray> dpkg -l ndiswr* <soundray> Difficult question <BigMac> moyers@moyLAPTOP:~$ dpkg -l ndiswr* <BigMac> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold <BigMac> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed <BigMac> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) <BigMac> ||/ Name Version Description <BigMac> +++-==============-==============-============================================ <BigMac> un ndiswrapper-mo <none> (no description available) <BigMac> It is just irritating knowing that wifi does work on my laptop, I like ubuntu way more then windows for coding, but yet I have never been able to get wireless working <soundray> You've successully removed that package <BigMac> ok <BigMac> so continue the guide? <soundray> I don't know <soundray> It would be nicer to get it to work without ndiswrapper <soundray> and without bypassing the package system as well <BigMac> Sure but I would rather have wifi with ndiswrapper than no wifi <BigMac> If I can't get it working without it <soundray> I can see that. <BigMac> But if you have more ideas, please go ahead, I am just saying if you are tapped on ideas then i can resort to this <soundray> But I have to let you try without me, I need a bit of sleep now <soundray> I've been searching the web up and down while we were chatting, but haven't found anything useful <BigMac> ok I guess I will try and really hope it works <BigMac> if not I find somebody else who can help <soundray> Good luck <soundray> BigMac: one more thing <soundray> lspci | grep Broadcom <soundray> What does that give you? <BigMac> moyers@moyLAPTOP:~$ lspci | grep Broadcom <BigMac> 05:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 01) <BigMac> 08:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX (rev 02) <soundray> Yes, it looks like those instructions apply <soundray> I just found that for my device (4328) there just isn't a driver at all yet. <soundray> Nevermind <soundray> See you later * azteech is away: Currently away * azteech is back (gone 00:00:07) * azteech is away: Currently away <Fezzler> h <Fezzler> how come in some irc rooms there are long lists of people but no conversation. Are people IMing? <Fezzler> sorry for newbie q? <eAi> hey <soundray> eAi: let's start with grub <eAi> ok <soundray> To simplify things a little, there are two parts to it. <soundray> One is a tiny program that fits into the master boot record of a hard disk drive. <eAi> yep <eAi> stage1 right? <soundray> Yes <soundray> The MBR is outside of all partitions. In fact, I think it contains the partition table as well. <soundray> That part of grub needs to reference the next stage, 1.5. <eAi> ok <soundray> Or is it stage2, I get confused. <soundray> It doesn't matter. <soundray> What matters is that stage 1 needs a pointer to what comes next, so it can load it off the disk. <eAi> ok <soundray> That's what goes into the /grub subdirectory of your /boot partition. <soundray> Once that part is loaded, it goes on to load a kernel. At this point, grub is still dependent on BIOS information. <soundray> Which is why your first attempt with the USB failed. <eAi> ok <soundray> Now let's make a quick digression into partition tables. <soundray> You can have a maximum of four primary partitions on a disk, *or* up to three primaries plus an extended partition. <soundray> The extended partition can contain logical ones. <soundray> fdisk shows all partitions, including the extended one. Some other programs don't. Hence the discrepancy between three and four partitions that you see. <eAi> ok <soundray> Given that you have a new /dev/sda6, I presume you have one primary partition, one extended one and two logicals inside the extended. <eAi> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System <eAi> /dev/sda1 * 1 5101 40973751 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) <eAi> /dev/sda2 5102 7296 17631337+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA) <eAi> /dev/sda5 5102 7125 16257748+ 7 HPFS/NTFS <eAi> /dev/sda6 7126 7296 1373526 83 Linux <soundray> Yes, that's what I thought. sda5 and sda6 are the logical ones inside sda2 <eAi> ok <soundray> The next step is to copy the required data to your /dev/sda6 <soundray> How we do this depends on how you are currently set up. ? <soundray> Running Windows right now? <eAi> no, Ubuntu live cd <soundray> eAi: okay, that's where you ran gparted from, correct? <eAi> yes <soundray> BTW, what version of ubuntu? <eAi> 7.04 <soundray> Did you have to apt-get install gparted? <eAi> no <eAi> was in the System->Administration menu <soundray> It's included, that's what I thought. Someone claimed the opposite yesterday. <soundray> Nm <eAi> well, its fairly obvious, right there at the top <soundray> What do you get from a 'sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt'? I'm hoping for silence. <eAi> correct <eAi> nothing <soundray> Do a "sudo sh -c 'date >/mnt/datelabel' " to see if you can write to it <soundray> Should be silent, too. <eAi> silent <soundray> What's the partition name of your ubuntu installation, ie. external hard disk? <eAi> /dev/sdb2 <soundray> eAi: we need to mount that to another mount point. <soundray> sudo mkdir /media/sdb2 <soundray> mount /dev/sdb2 /media/sdb2 <soundray> should both be silent <soundray> sorry <soundray> sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /media/sdb2 <eAi> ok, done <soundray> Now we need to copy the whole /boot directory contents to the new partition. <soundray> sudo cp -a /boot/* /mnt/ <soundray> actually... <soundray> sudo cp -av /boot/* /mnt/ <soundray> That way you'll know what's going on <eAi> ok, done <soundray> Now the Ubuntu installation needs to know about the new location of the /boot data <eAi> ok <soundray> echo '/dev/sda6 /boot ext3 defaults 0 2' | sudo tee -a /media/sdb2/etc/fstab' <soundray> before you do that... <soundray> sudo cp /media/sdb2/etc/fstab /media/sdb2/etc/fstab-backup <soundray> just to be safe ;) <eAi> hm <eAi> that gives a > prompt <soundray> my fault <soundray> Ctrl-C that <soundray> then arrow-up and remove the quote mark from the end. <eAi> ah ok <eAi> yeah it just echoed out that part in quotes to the console <soundray> Do a cat /media/sdb2/etc/fstab and see if the new line is there <eAi> yeah it is <eAi> theres 5 uncommented lines <soundray> Good. Next step is to adapt the grub configuration to the new location. <eAi> ok <soundray> Could you paste the whole /mnt/grub/menu.lst to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org <soundray> and give me the URL <eAi> sure <eAi> well, its empty <eAi> which makes that kind of redundant ;) <soundray> What about <soundray> ls /mnt/grub <soundray> is that empty, too? <eAi> device.map <soundray> Is that all? <eAi> yes <soundray> ls /media/sdb2/boot/ <soundray> anything there? <eAi> yep <eAi> abi-2.6.20-15-generic initrd.img-2.6.20-15-generic.bak <eAi> config-2.6.20-15-generic memtest86+.bin <eAi> grub System.map-2.6.20-15-generic <eAi> initrd.img-2.6.20-15-generic vmlinuz-2.6.20-15-generic <soundray> eAi: the copying step hasn't worked then <soundray> No /mnt/datelabel, that's worrying <eAi> thats odd <eAi> i cd'd to mnt <eAi> and its all there <eAi> one sec <eAi> it just hasn't copied all the grub stuff <soundray> ls /mnt ? <eAi> abi-2.6.20-15-generic lost+found <eAi> config-2.6.20-15-generic memtest86+.bin <eAi> datelabel System.map-2.6.20-15-generic <eAi> grub vmlinuz-2.6.20-15-generic <eAi> initrd.img-2.6.20-15-generic.bak <eAi> I did the copy again and it did the same <eAi> it just copied on grub/* file <soundray> Is there a /mnt/grub/menu.lst now? <eAi> no <eAi> sudo cp -av /boot/grub/* ./grub <eAi> copies one file <eAi> that copy is wrong <soundray> Yes, it's the wrong source <soundray> sorry <eAi> yes <eAi> :) <soundray> sudo cp /media/sdb2/boot/* /mnt/ <soundray> sudo cp -av /media/sdb2/boot/* /mnt/ <eAi> ok, better <soundray> Now let me see your /mnt/grub/menu.lst pls <eAi> one sec <eAi> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20519/ <soundray> I'll go through that, edit it in a few places and paste it back. Be patient pls ;) <eAi> of course :) <eAi> thanks btw, really helpful <soundray> eAi: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20521/ <soundray> I hope these are right. Make a backup of the existing menu.lst for reference. <soundray> You'll see that I put (hd0,5), this is the grub name of your /dev/sda6 <eAi> yeah I saw <eAi> copied in <soundray> We should be ready to put grub in the MBR now. <soundray> sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda <soundray> Any errors? <soundray> oops <soundray> Have you done that already? <eAi> Installation finished. No error reported. <eAi> This is the contents of the device map /mnt/boot/grub/device.map. <eAi> Check if this is correct or not. If any of the lines is incorrect, <eAi> fix it and re-run the script `grub-install'. <eAi> (fd0) /dev/fd0 <eAi> (hd0) /dev/sda <eAi> (hd1) /dev/sdb <soundray> I see <eAi> that right? <soundray> The problem now is that grub created a boot directory inside /mnt, which itself is later going to be /boot <soundray> Not a problem, let's sideline that new directory <soundray> sudo mv /mnt/boot /mnt/boot-mistake <soundray> Then create a symbolic link in /mnt named boot, pointing to itself <soundray> cd /mnt ; sudo ln -sf . boot <soundray> Then redo the grub-install <eAi> done <soundray> sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda <eAi> Installation finished. No error reported. <eAi> This is the contents of the device map /mnt/boot/grub/device.map. <eAi> Check if this is correct or not. If any of the lines is incorrect, <eAi> fix it and re-run the script `grub-install'. <eAi> (hd0) /dev/sda <eAi> (hd1) /dev/sdb <soundray> Hmm, it's strange that it dropped the fd0 now <soundray> Not a problem, you're not booting from floppy. <eAi> don't even have a floppy drive <soundray> Let's think this through now <soundray> Grub will load from /dev/sda and load its config etc. from /dev/sda6 <soundray> Then it'll boot the kernel... <soundray> oops <eAi> remember I still want to be able to boot Windows sometimes ;) <soundray> That's not a problem, grub knows all about your Vista ;) <soundray> But we need to change the location of the kernel back to /boot/... now <soundray> which means I have to give you another menu.lst <soundray> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20522/ <soundray> This needs to go to /mnt/grub/menu.lst again <soundray> Okay, now the kernel knows where to find itself, so to speak, once grub loads it. <eAi> copied that in <soundray> I think it's done. Wanna try to reboot? <eAi> ok :) <eAi> if it doesn't work I'll have to reboot using the live cd and install xchat again <eAi> so I may be some time... <soundray> eAi: either that, or connect with gaim instead (should be on the CD already) <eAi> ok <eAi> I'll be back! <soundray> eAi: I'll stay logged in for another while <eAi> k <eAi> it worked! <soundray> Excellent. <eAi> thanks a lot :) <soundray> Have you tried booting your horrible closed source OS, too? <eAi> haven't tested if windows still works <eAi> no <eAi> i've actually got Vista and XP installed, but I never use Vista <eAi> someone gave it to me free ;) <soundray> Well, I trust that it'll work. If not, you can always ask again on the main channel <eAi> ok <soundray> Are you sorted then? ;) <eAi> well a few other questions <soundray> I'm all eyes <eAi> like, is there a way to get double-tap (on the laptop's trackpad) to work for dragging? <eAi> its hardly major, but it'd be useful <soundray> eAi: probably. It worked out of the box for me, but you may have to configure the synaptics driver. <soundray> gsynaptics is a useful frontend. <eAi> ok <eAi> gparted isn't installed by default <eAi> it is on the live cd though <eAi> also, is it just me, or does the return/enter key not always work to click the default button <eAi> (the glowing one) <soundray> eAi: that's just you... <eAi> strange <eAi> it keeps happening <soundray> eAi: I'm not sure, I don't get this problem. <soundray> Do you mean dialog buttons, like OK/Cancel, or menus as well? <eAi> works fine selecting menu items <eAi> but for example, if I select a package in the Synaptic Package Manager <eAi> and try to install it <eAi> I get the "Apple the following change" dialog <eAi> and pressing return won't do "Apply" <soundray> eAi: maybe it's not just you <soundray> I tend to use the keyboard for command line work, and the mouse for GUIs <eAi> well, I avoid the mouse as much as I can on my laptop <soundray> Try space if return doesn't do what you expect <eAi> when I don't have a mouse connected <eAi> space didn't work <eAi> tab -> enter worked <eAi> (selecting the checkbox) <eAi> which suggests that whatever is selected by default is not passing the keystroke correctly <eAi> anyway <eAi> i'll live ;) <eAi> wheres xorg.conf? <soundray> /etc/X11 <eAi> that gsynaptics app says I've got to set SHMConfig to true <eAi> but I'm not sure what section that should be in <eAi> and SHMConfig isn't currently in there <eAi> I don't have a Synaptics Touchpad item which one site thinks I maybe should <soundray> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=975421 <soundray> look at post #8 <eAi> do I have to restart X after I change it? <soundray> eAi: yes <eAi> control + alt + backspace? <eAi> doesn't work :( <soundray> eAi: you have to reference that InputDevice where the current one is also referenced <soundray> in Section ServerLayout <eAi> add an InputDevice "Synaptics Touchpad" <eAi> ? <soundray> Yes <eAi> ok, trying that <soundray> Make sure it exactly matches the Identifier. <eAi> well that fixed it :) <eAi> tap and drag works :) <soundray> Hooray! <eAi> and the config works :) <eAi> config should really be part of ubuntu :) <eAi> judging by the number of posts there are about this kind of thing <soundray> Do you mean gsynaptics? <eAi> yes <eAi> and whatever is required to make it "just work" :) <eAi> well, thanks very much for helping me with this <soundray> Yw <eAi> now, all this stuff has made me forget to eat :( <eAi> heres a quick question - whats the best way to mount an SMB share? <soundray> eAi: that's not a quick question ;) <soundray> eAi: try "Places - Connect to server" <soundray> eAi: if you want a permanent mount, add it to /etc/fstab. I'll give you an example line from mine: <soundray> /fsg/media /var/lib/media cifs credentials=/root/.creds,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 1 <eAi> if that fails to mount, will it cause any problems? <eAi> (e.g. if the laptop is off the network) <soundray> eAi: yes <soundray> After gid=1000, you can add ',noauto' (no space) <soundray> Then you can mount the share when needed with <soundray> sudo mount /var/lib/media <eAi> hm ok <eAi> how can I enable ntfs write? <eAi> just install the ntfs-3g package? <eAi> or is it more complex? <soundray> I don't know... <soundray> !ntfs-3g <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions <soundray> That may help <soundray> I don't have any ntfs partitions on my main machines :) <eAi> ok :) <soundray> Actually, that's not true. I created one on my Mac with Boot Camp. But I'm not using it atm and I don't think I will <soundray> Where in the UK are you? <eAi> back <eAi> im in London <soundray> Not far then <soundray> I'm in Ascot <eAi> I go to uni at Royal Holloway very near there <soundray> In Egham, yeah <eAi> yep <soundray> I have friends there <soundray> What do you study? <eAi> Computer Science <eAi> ;) <soundray> My friends are two geologists and an ethno-musicologist :) <eAi> i've met a few geologists, no ethno-musicologists though <soundray> I went to the open day a few weeks ago with the kids <eAi> the UCAS ones? <soundray> erm <soundray> Don't know what UCAS is <eAi> university entry system <soundray> No, it was a thing for the public <eAi> ah <soundray> I work with computer scientists a lot. Are you into image processing at all? <eAi> well I used to play around with that kind of thing ages ago, but I can't say I've done much recently <eAi> I spend most of my time working on Multi Theft Auto a grand theft auto mod <eAi> thats C++ and Assembly <eAi> assembly is really what I enjoy <eAi> bit sad ; <eAi> ) <soundray> :D <eAi> but I do all sorts of stuff really, the mod I do because its a good challenge <soundray> Are you undergraduate still? <eAi> yes, second year <eAi> but strangely I still find I haven't really learnt much I didn't know before I started it ;) <eAi> probably because I wasted most of my school life in front of a computer <soundray> Well, I can tell you your type is in demand in my arena <eAi> whats that exactly? <soundray> Extracting information from e.g. 3D brain images acquired with MRI that isn't readily visible on 2D sections <eAi> data visualisation kind of? <soundray> Yes, that comes into it <eAi> or more focused on getting the information than displaying it? <soundray> But also data mining, feature extraction, statistical functional mapping, all of that <eAi> sounds interesting <eAi> I imagine theres lots of demand for that for all sorts of things <soundray> If you're interested in a summer project or similar in that vein at any stage, drop me an email <eAi> like satellite images etc? <soundray> It's my gregory37@example.net ;) <eAi> sure, I might well be, got nothing to do this summer anyway <eAi> worked in an office last year, got paid well, but bored out of my mind <eAi> worked in "The gherkin" <soundray> eAi: yes, or even just to continue this discussion... I should log off now. <eAi> ok, sure <soundray> Enjoy your ubuntu ;) <eAi> thank you <eAi> I will :) <soundray> Bye now #ubuntu-classroom 2007-05-15 <rokra> yeap <jrib> rokra: hi <rokra> hi again :) <jrib> we need to clear something up, I'm a bit confused <jrib> did you run "ln -s /bin/true /usr/bin/file" or did you run "ln -s /bin/true /usr/bin/file" <rokra> jrib first time you said me ln -s /bin/true /usr/bin/file , and you repaet do : ln -s /bin/true /usr/bin/file lol <rokra> I did the ln -s /bin/true /usr/bin/file <rokra> yes you understood me? <rokra> first time you said me ln -s /usr/bin/file /bin/true and second time ln -s /bin/true /usr/bin/file <rokra> I did the second <jrib> I never said /usr/bin/file, I always said /usr/bin/fileexec. We need to undo that now <jrib> I assume you made the backup of the original file? <jrib> "file" <rokra> yes <jrib> restore it <rokra> file or filexec is the same <rokra> the real name is carserver <jrib> how is it the same? <rokra> jrib: for me I used file for a var in our example <rokra> but ok there is also a file " file" in the /usr/bin <jrib> wait <jrib> so "fileexec" is not the name of the program? <rokra> the realname is cardserver <jrib> ok <rokra> /usr/bin/cardserver <jrib> how are you trying to run it? <rokra> /usr/bin/cardserver or cardserver <jrib> and then what is the error? <jrib> when you do /usr/bin/cardserver <rokra> -su: /usr/bin/cardserver: No such file or directory <jrib> what's with the "su" thing? <rokra> dont know <rokra> :s <rokra> I checked on a debian sytem and it worked :s <rokra> but on the ubuntu I have this error <jrib> what kind of file is it? <rokra> ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped <jrib> no source? <rokra> jrib: no source <jrib> rokra: no idea, sorry <rokra> ok thx for your help <rokra> it smell the debian reisntall <nalioth> jrib: you're a machine :) * jrib reboots nalioth <poningru> eek <soundray> lment_ox: Hi <lment_ox> hey <soundray> Open the file with 'nano /etc/passwd' <soundray> Move the cursor to the end of the first line and delete the "/tmp" with the backspace key. <soundray> Got that? <lment_ox> how do i open in nano ??? <lment_ox> i am in nano but how do i access root file within that windo? <lment_ox> same first line as before??? <soundray> Hey, I would really like to help you, but you have to do what I ask you to, and not something else. <lment_ox> ok <soundray> Hit Ctrl-X to exit nano. You should get back to the # prompt. <lment_ox> yes <nalioth> sudo nano /etc/passwd <soundray> Enter 'nano /etc/passwd' (everything between the quotes) <nalioth> don't forget the sudo <soundray> no, nalioth <soundray> We're in recovery mode. <jrib> recovery mode * nalioth runs away <lment_ox> ok opened <soundray> Move the cursor to the end of the first line and delete the "/tmp" with the backspace key. <soundray> Can you do that? <lment_ox> there is no "/tmp" <soundray> Does the first line read "root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash"? <lment_ox> no when i opened nano, screen is blank other than options at the bottom <soundray> Strange. Do a Ctrl-X again to exit nano. <lment_ox> k <lment_ox> ... <soundray> Do you get any output when you enter this line: <soundray> cat /etc/passwd <lment_ox> yea <lment_ox> first line reads root:x:0:0:0:root:/root:/tmp <soundray> Now enter all of this line: <soundray> nano /etc/passwd <lment_ox> ok <soundray> lment_ox: is the file opened in nano now? <lment_ox> at the top says: gnu nano 1.3.12 file etc/passwd but rest is blank <lment_ox> other than commands at the bottom <soundray> Okay, we'll take a different approach now. Ctrl-X to exit nano <lment_ox> okee <soundray> Series of commands now. The first one: <soundray> cd /etc <soundray> Got that? <lment_ox> k <soundray> Now: <soundray> cp passwd passwd-copy <lment_ox> permission denied <soundray> lment_ox: are you sure you're in recovery mode? <lment_ox> 100% waited for option to login to recovery used my usr name logged in <soundray> lment_ox: did you set a root password at any point? <lment_ox> just did <soundray> just when? <lment_ox> i just went into admin made sure my password was what i set it as <soundray> What do you mean by "went into admin"? <lment_ox> sys/admin /user groups root <lment_ox> in gnome <soundray> lment_ox: did you run 'sudo passwd' at any point? <lment_ox> no <soundray> What does your prompt look like at the moment? <lment_ox> k40571k@dhst-desktop:/etc$ <soundray> Try this one: <soundray> sudo nano /etc/passwd <lment_ox> same as prior <soundray> Okay, something is wrong with your system, and I can't imagine how it got that way. <soundray> Normally, when you choose recovery mode, you shouldn't need to gregory37@example.net. <lment_ox> ok <soundray> Is this a fresh install? <lment_ox> recent <soundray> Not upgraded? <lment_ox> no 6.1 waiting for 7 <soundray> With all of this going on, I don't know if fixing your /etc/passwd will make a difference. <lment_ox> oh yea should i wait for 7??? <soundray> Would it be terrible to use a 7.04 CD and do a fresh installation? <lment_ox> then redoit <soundray> Why wait, it's out... <lment_ox> no waiting on 7 to do so :) <lment_ox> i am in dutch harbor alaska takes awhile <soundray> lment_ox: is downloading the iso and burning to a CD-R an option? <lment_ox> not on this comp also because serv prov likes to time out large file dls but possibly] <lment_ox> do u know if 7 is torrent avail? <soundray> You could download it with wget. If it gets interrupted, you can use wget -c to continue <soundray> I think it is <lment_ox> wget??? website??? <soundray> Comes with ubuntu -- but that's useless, right? Dang... <lment_ox> hahaha <lment_ox> i have wget but not the dl url <soundray> I see, sec... <lment_ox> k <soundray> wget http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/ubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso <lment_ox> dl'n we'll see how that goes <lment_ox> really appreciate all the help <lment_ox> Q: though when i install 7 will all of info from 6 be deleted <soundray> Well, I hope it will have helped in the end. <soundray> You should back up your /home directory and possible /etc for reference. <lment_ox> how so? <soundray> Depends on what you have in your system... <lment_ox> nothin but fonts and images at this point , but i am in the end trying to access root to install a anti virus as well as sun java asp <soundray> Are you setting up a fileserver or mailserver? <soundray> Because on a personal workstation, you don't need virus protection for Linux. <lment_ox> file server i think i would have to ask my boss havent got passed the root problem to know more <lment_ox> thats what i thought as far as linux cause you can debuh that shit right??? <soundray> Anyway, if you do a fresh install, it will format the partition that you set as / <lment_ox> yea <lment_ox> um <soundray> So it's best if you copy any valuable data to another machine, external hard disk or optical disks. <lment_ox> when wget dl where is the dl directory??? desktop??? <lment_ox> oic <lment_ox> dat file work??? <soundray> Present working directory. <soundray> You mean tape? <lment_ox> yea <lment_ox> old school lmao <soundray> It should, if you have a driver for the DAT drive... <lment_ox> believe so <lment_ox> present working directory is the name im logged onto right??? <soundray> No <soundray> it's what you last cd'd to. <soundray> Enter pwd to find what it is currently. <lment_ox> gotcha <soundray> !cli <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal <soundray> ^ might have some interesting stuff for you <lment_ox> thanks :) i am just getting into linux and i am falling in love with it <soundray> Well, good luck with it. <lment_ox> thank you <soundray> I'll be off then. Last chance to ask ;) <lment_ox> um <lment_ox> how do i add themes <lment_ox> ??? <soundray> !themes <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy <soundray> !changethemes <ubotu> [Ubuntu] Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy for a guide. [Kubuntu] For a Kubuntu guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu <soundray> Ubotu knows everything ;) <lment_ox> haha <lment_ox> thanks <soundray> Did you say you're from Cicely? <soundray> Oh, that's just fictional, right <soundray> :) <soundray> Bye * Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-classroom.log <draco>
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