#ubuntu-mobile 2008-04-01 <Deffy|iMac_> howdy <Deffy|iMac_> does ubuntu-mobile work well with the eeePC? <inuka> ping alek_desk <alek_desk> inuka: pong <inuka> alek_desk: do you have access to the build server? <inuka> alek_desk: libdrm and libva do not seem to building... just give error message debian directory not found <alek_desk> inuka, no, only JohnV could fix this <alek_desk> inuka, I guess you already created GASTON branch <alek_desk> HappyCamp <alek_desk> HappyCamp_ubuntu <alek_desk> sodarock_home <alek_desk> sodarock_ubuntu <inuka> alek_desk: yeah e-mailed JohnV and rusty. This happend once before when I first created the psb-kmd GASTON branch. JohnV did something to fix it... <andy_lin> nls <andy_lin> sorry . <woodwizzle> Are there any available ubuntu mobile devices out yet? <dholbach> good morning <cgregan> lool: in reference to xephyr not being able to connect to ports. Does the chroot use a resolve.conf within the chroot? <StevenK> cgregan: It may well <cgregan> StevenK: Yep.....the resolve was set to a static domain and dns. <StevenK> cgregan: Ahhh, probably from what it was built on. <StevenK> cgregan: In which case, I'd suggest that merits a bug on MIC <cgregan> stevenK: ok....the full runs no problem, but the crownbeach target cannot start x <StevenK> Interesting <lool> cgregan: Yes <lool> cgregan: Networking is something you have to configure when creating a chroot; it's not bringing up and down interfaces but telling your system about hosts and DNS servers <StevenK> lool: MIC copies the /etc/resolv.conf from the host <cgregan> StevenK: This appears to be true. When creating on this machine there was not a problem, but importing uses the resolve the image was created on. <lool> StevenK: Yeah, but it wont work when moving the chroot around, if your DNS changes, etc. <StevenK> lool: Exactly. It also means information about the build environment is leaked. <lool> Yeah, I mentionned this a long while ago about the hosts <StevenK> hosts I fixed <StevenK> /etc/resolv.conf is harder <cgregan> StevenK: Here is the message spit out when the xserver fails in the crownbeach target: <cgregan> Fatal server error: <cgregan> could not open default font 'fixed' <cgregan> waiting for X server to begin accepting connections <cgregan> giving up. <cgregan> xinit: Connection reset by peer (errno 104): unable to connect to X server <cgregan> xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error. <StevenK> Errr * davidm is back (gone 86:17:19) <lool> cgregan: You seem to be missing fonts <lool> cgregan: xfonts-base would provide the fixed font <cgregan> lool: I'll try to apt-get it <StevenK> It should be installed <cgregan> StevenK: It was not. utils and encoding were also brought down <StevenK> Interesting <cgregan> StevenK: the crownbeach target looks to be corrupted or incomplete. <lool> cgregan: What image is this? <cgregan> StevenK: yesterday daily build of Menlow <StevenK> full or core? <StevenK> According to the 20080401 menlow-full logs, xfonts-base was installed <lool> Will do a short test <lool> #startmeeting <MootBot> Meeting started at 18:53. The chair is lool. <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] <lool> #endmeeting <MootBot> Meeting finished at 18:53. <Deffy|iMac_> hi <inuka_desk> ping amitk_ #ubuntu-mobile 2008-04-02 <Mr_Deffy> Hi <dholbach> good morning <\sh> lool: hmm...I don't see wine enabled in p-a-s for lpia (http://cvs.debian.org/srcdep/Packages-arch-specific?rev=1.743&root=dak&view=markup) :) <lool> \sh: Yes, it's not, that's what we're discussing <lool> You wrote "I need to bribe lamont to add lpia arch to p-a-s?", but lpia is already in use in this file <lool> Concerning adding wine for lpia, I asked Lamont implicitely by Cc:ing him, but feel free to ping him again <\sh> lool: I meant to add to entry "%wine: i386 amd64" the lpia arch string :) <\sh> lool: for us it's just adding some lpia specific arch identifiers to debian/control to let it build on our lpia buildds...so when lamont adds it this week, I can upload a new revision of wine to build it on lpia too <lool> \sh: Ok, cool <mjg59> lool: Around? <agoliveira> mjg59: Loic went to a doctor but he should return about 9pm UTC+2 <mjg59> agoliveira: Ah, ok. No problem. <patm> Mega_Lin, ping <Mega_Lin> patm: got it <bspencer> lool, ping <lool> bspencer: pong <lool> bspencer: I'll be driving home, will be back in 45 mn <bspencer> lool, no prob. <lool> bspencer: If you see rustyl, you can tell him about it too :) <bspencer> I'll update the hildon-theme-mobile-basic tarball today. fyi. <lool> I'd like to chat to both of you tonight if possible <bspencer> (that's all) <lool> bspencer: Oh perfect thanks <bspencer> I didn't know the process was manual :P <lool> Perhaps it shouldn't be ;) * lool & <bspencer> is & you crossing your fingers? <lool> bspencer: It means I'm backgrounding myself ;) <mjg59> lool: Got a minute? <lool> mjg59: Sure <lool> mjg59: Sorry, didn't notice the ping fast enough; let me know if you want me to give you a phone call or something <mjg59> lool: I've been chatting to Chris - for qemu, we could do with images that use cirrus as the default X driver <lool> mjg59: Sure, why cirrus instead of vmware? <lool> Oh wait, qemu, nm <lool> I thought Chris was running vmware <lool> mjg59: On my side, I worked on ubuntu-vm-builder porting to lpia, but it requires rebasing on a rewritten branch <lool> And it wasn't capable of bootstrapping 32-bits vms under amd64, but I guess I could implement this as well <mjg59> lool: Yeah, I was confused by that. But they're looking at qemu right now. <mjg59> lool: As far as I can tell, it should just be making sure the package is there and then including something other than ume-config-samsung-q1 <lool> Yup <rje4242> question: I see a maemo branch - does this mean that Ubuntu mobile works on the n800 now? #ubuntu-mobile 2008-04-03 <GrueMaster> davidm: ping <StevenK> GrueMaster: There's no point pinging him, he disconnected 5 minutes ago <GrueMaster> Yea, I just noticed that. <GrueMaster> davidm : question re: beta3 <davidm> GrueMaster, yes? <bspencer> lool, when is our meeting supposed to be wrt moblin applets? <GrueMaster> video drivers are at build 0007. Didn't you guys get newer drivers? <davidm> Not in time for the beta, we locked better then a week ago <GrueMaster> Oh. <GrueMaster> I just got the beta today. <GrueMaster> Didn't know it was a week old. <GrueMaster> ok <davidm> We locked the build for the WiMAX stuff but finally built because WiMAX did not make it. <davidm> WiMAX was a pain, but they got it finally and now we have to remove it.... <dholbach> good morning <lool> Hmm yesterday, the battery applet would segfault for me when I clicked on it, but now it wont at full charge <kennyyu> hi there, i wonder if i can get the firefox source code (for UME) because of my academic research purpose? is it available now? <dns53> apt-get source packagename? <kennyyu> dns53: thanks... hmm, I just wonder why I cannot download the code from there --> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-browser :-( <dns53> the package is actually midbrowser https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-browser for the launcpad entry, git seems to be http://www.moblin.org/repos/projects/mobile-browser.git/ <Roj> hi <dns53> hi <Roj> i have a Asus r2h and want to get involved with the ubuntu mobile testing <Roj> have i found the right community? <dns53> well this channel is quiet, i'm here trying to get it installed on my eeepc <Roj> ah ok, have you tried gOS rocket? <Roj> or Linpus? <dns53> not yet,i have a xubuntu with hardy <Roj> both kind of work but the ubuntu mobile release looks interesting to me <kennyyu> dns53: i see. I'll have a look! :) <lool> meeting is in one hour right? <Don_Johnson> I think David left it on UTS, and did not do any daylight saving time adjustments, so you are probably right <kyleN> lool, that's my guess <lool> Don_Johnson: That's my understanding as well; I added an item to move it one hour earlier to the agenda <Don_Johnson> Good, I have a regulary conflict in 1 hour, so I won't be able to make it at that time. <bspencer> lool, dumb Q. Our weekly ume meeting is at 10amPDT now -- not 9am right? :) <bspencer> lool, also, are we meeting tomorrow IRC 9am PDT? <davidm> I've had the meeting pegged to 17:00 UTC and not floating. We can adjust the meeting to 16:00 UTC in this meeting. <bspencer> lool, or I think I was to get a bridge. <bspencer> davidm, right. Old habit I was rushing to get here by 9am. <davidm> Well there is a aganda item to move it to now so we can talk about it. It hits at a bad time for those in Europe now. <davidm> And I love google since it moved the meeting to now for me :-/ but I'm fixing that. <lool> bspencer: You were to get a bridge for friday, right? <davidm> Almost time for the meeting. <mawhalen> Rusty <mawhalen> feeling better? <davidm> We are missing mootbot so I'll just post logs later <davidm> it's off line at the moment. So lets bring the meeting to order <lool> Pff Mootbot is not very reliable <rustyl_> mawhalen, not really <lool> rustyl_: Ah you were sick as well <mawhalen> FYI - John (happycamp) is out of the office today <rustyl_> lool, yea, this sucks <davidm> First action from 27 March then <davidm> #startmeeting <davidm> #startmeeting <davidm> I think mootbot will join us soon <MootBot> Meeting started at 19:02. The chair is davidm. <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] <MootBot> davidm, There is already a meeting in progress. <davidm> OK mootbot is here so * davidm changed the topic of #ubuntu-mobile to: kyleN to look into hildon-help; what's is useful for and whether we should package it for UME <davidm> #topic kyleN to look into hildon-help; what's is useful for and whether we should package it for UME <kyleN> I have not investigated hildon-help yet. Yes, it needs to be done, but with current daily priorities it won't be done immediately. Therefore, I'd like to remove it from the carried action items for now. <lool> davidm: #topic, not /topic :) <davidm> lool, yea I blew it <davidm> kyleN, OK done. <kyleN> thx <mabbas> #topic <davidm> #topic lool review progress on Hildon 2.0 updates next week <lool> So, smagoun is the only one around I fear <smagoun> lool: no progress on this one <lool> agoliveira tried updating sapwood, but he didn't manage to pull history <smagoun> I don't think bfiller has had a chance to get to his part either * davidm changed the topic of #ubuntu-mobile to: This channel is for conversations around the Ubuntu UME development version <lool> I think I'll start picking updates from other people to get stuff in hardy in the coming weeks <lool> I wish people with assigned updates could do one to see how it goes with bzr vcs-import and all <lool> So davidm, please carry on <davidm> [topic] lool review progress on Hildon 2.0 updates next week <MootBot> New Topic: lool review progress on Hildon 2.0 updates next week <davidm> lool, will do, <davidm> I just replayed the topic to get it into mootbot <davidm> [topic] lool to document tips for Hildon 2.0 updates on Hildon 2.0 wiki page <MootBot> New Topic: lool to document tips for Hildon 2.0 updates on Hildon 2.0 wiki page <lool> See bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/Hildon2.0 <lool> It's a bit raw, but it's what I did :) <lool> I'm happy to clarify with anybody who needs help <davidm> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/Hildon2.0 <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/Hildon2.0 <davidm> lool, carry on? <lool> No, it's done; you can move on to next topic <davidm> [topic] lool to document tarball release + ppa upload process and patch <MootBot> New Topic: lool to document tarball release + ppa upload process and patch <lool> I've wikified my notes and sent them to rustyl_; as they were longer than I thought, I think it's best to get some feedback from rustyl_ and then moving to the wiki <lool> rustyl_ only got them yesterday though, so I suppose we could make that an action for me for next week <davidm> OK <lool> This is just a one shot procedure, not very interesting to keep on the wiki forever, but we'll remove the page later on <davidm> [action] lool to document tarball release + ppa upload process and patch addition + submission process [cted] [cted scheduled for Friday the 28th][cted] <MootBot> ACTION received: lool to document tarball release + ppa upload process and patch addition + submission process [cted] [cted scheduled for Friday the 28th][cted] <lool> [action] (lool) add doc on moving to tarball releases for moblin modules to wiki <lool> Hmm ok <davidm> [action] (lool) add doc on moving to tarball releases for moblin modules to wiki <MootBot> ACTION received: (lool) add doc on moving to tarball releases for moblin modules to wiki <lool> Well the doc is ready, but I'll move it to the wiki next week <lool> right <davidm> I'll clean later NP <lool> thanks <lool> You can skip the next topic, it's the same <davidm> agree <davidm> next two actually <davidm> [topic] bspencer to list i18n status for Moblin project <MootBot> New Topic: bspencer to list i18n status for Moblin project <lool> davidm: Well i'd like to keep the action on rustyl_, even if he had no chance to do it this week :) <lool> rustyl_: (if you don't mind) <davidm> I'll make it so <lool> bspencer: 19:13 < davidm> [topic] bspencer to list i18n status for Moblin project <lool> bspencer: You come just on time :) <davidm> [action] # <davidm> rustyl_ to assign ppa packages updates for the new tarball based release process [cted as blocked by lool last week and the week before that...][cted] <MootBot> ACTION received: # <bspencer> lool: oy, not completed <davidm> [action] rustyl_ to assign ppa packages updates for the new tarball based release process [cted as blocked by lool last week and the week before that...][cted] <MootBot> ACTION received: rustyl_ to assign ppa packages updates for the new tarball based release process [cted as blocked by lool last week and the week before that...][cted] <bspencer> lool: I can list what I know here, but I think you wanted an email <kyleN> here comes my standard remard: ;) we need all apps i8nized, and soonish <kyleN> remark <mawhalen> bspencer: what is holding it up? <bspencer> ToddBrandt: is moblin-applets i18n? <bspencer> mawhalen: nothing -- I just forgot to send the email <lool> bspencer: I think kyleN asked for it <kyleN> the packages should be set up for intltool so they generated tempaltes <kyleN> and the code should be set up for gettext <kyleN> darn fingers, misbehaving again ;) <bspencer> kyleN: lool is Hildon already for i18n per these requireemnts? <lool> bspencer: Hmm Hildon is special <bspencer> moblin media is, I know, except for a couple of bugs that may already have been fixed <kyleN> bspencer: hildon is not. it is a more complex challenege. but this problem is known and being solved <bspencer> lool: is Firefox special too? <lool> bspencer: Yes <bspencer> mid browser is also i18n, per Firefox mechanism. <lool> bspencer: But moblin-applets is a good standard example <bspencer> I don't know about moblin-applets. <lool> I reviewed it, and it seemed structured to do it <lool> Can't tell whether all strings were marked as translatable or not <bspencer> Home screen is the one I'm not sure about <bspencer> The icons and names come from freedesktop.org calls now, but I haven't verified the i18n-ness <kyleN> bspencer: can you please address the problem on both fronts: intltool AND code/gettext <lool> bspencer: But you're not using message ids for strings in any other package than rhonda96@example.net, so it would be nice if you could make sure all other moblin.org projects are i18ned <lool> Run them in French <bspencer> lool: yes. My action item. <lool> kyleN, bspencer, davidm: do let's carry on action <davidm> OK <kyleN> ok <lool> [action] bspencer to report on i18n of moblin.org modules [cted] <davidm> [action] bspencer to report on i18n of moblin.org modules [cted] <MootBot> ACTION received: bspencer to report on i18n of moblin.org modules [cted] <davidm> OK that is the end of old business <davidm> Current items <kyleN> although I wish the wording wasn't "report" but was "implement intltool in packages and gettext in code" <bspencer> kyleN: did you document this somewhere? <lool> kyleN: Well I think it's clear that they need to be i18ned, but we wont implement it during the meeting so we can only report on status ;) * bspencer recalls seeing something <lool> bspencer: Two wiki pages are available on the topic <lool> bspencer: As mentionned in last week's links <bspencer> ok. you can move on while I look. <lool> http://people.ubuntu.com/~davidm/mootbot/meetings/ubuntu-mobile.20080327_1801.html <MootBot> LINK received: http://people.ubuntu.com/~davidm/mootbot/meetings/ubuntu-mobile.20080327_1801.html <bspencer> lool: thx. <lool> See the last two links <davidm> [topic] (lool) propose to move meeting one hour earlier (it's summer \o/) <MootBot> New Topic: (lool) propose to move meeting one hour earlier (it's summer \o/) <lool> So I'd like to move the meeting by one hour <lool> I think this will fit everybody <davidm> This works for me. <bspencer> good for me <lool> In fact most people were expecting the meeting earlier ;) <cgregan> no conflict for me <davidm> I know Don Johnson would like this as he can't attend now. <lool> Let's do it! <davidm> Intel side comments? <mawhalen> I don't believe this is a problem, we used to have it an hour earlier <mawhalen> I'll reschedule it for Intel side <davidm> bspencer, mawhalen , thanks <davidm> [action] davidm to move meeting to 1 hour earler and notify all <GrueMaster> For the most part, the people at Intel have adjusted to daylight savings time, so this would realign with that schedule. <MootBot> ACTION received: davidm to move meeting to 1 hour earler and notify all <davidm> [action] mawhalen to reschedule on Intel side <MootBot> ACTION received: mawhalen to reschedule on Intel side <ToddBrandt> bspencer: sorry for the delay, yes moblin-applets is i18n <davidm> OK I think we are covered on that <davidm> [topic] (tonyespy) ppm: git tree out-of-date + write access; licensing question... <MootBot> New Topic: (tonyespy) ppm: git tree out-of-date + write access; licensing question... <tonyespy> OK <tonyespy> There's been some recent interest in the ppm by our customer <tonyespy> and yet, the public git tree is not up-to-date <tonyespy> also, as there's been a request that canonical do some of the work... <lool> tonyespy: (you used rsync?) <tonyespy> i'd like to ask that we be granted write access to the tree <lool> tonyespy: (some git rhonda96@example.net are broken / out of date via http) <tonyespy> lool: i'll check <mawhalen> mabbas: are you around? <tonyespy> lool: i've been looking at the tree via the git web interface <mawhalen> he was <tonyespy> i've spoken with mabbas about this and he said that he'd update it this week... <lool> I guess the gitweb is always up to date <tonyespy> but i'd like to see this be a regular activity... not a once and a while thing <tonyespy> ...especially if we're going to be contributing to the development <mawhalen> Mohamed had joined last week and at the begin of this meeting - <mawhalen> tonyespy: hae you sync'd with Mohamed, I know he was going to contact you about a script <mabbas> yes I am here <tonyespy> mawhalen: yes, we've been exchanging emails <tonyespy> mabbas: i brought up the topic that i'd like to see the public git tree for ppm be kept up to date <tonyespy> mabbas: and we would also like write access <mabbas> yes I will update by tomorrow <tonyespy> mabbas: especially if we're going to be contributing work <rustyl_> tonyespy, do you already have an account on moblin? <tonyespy> mabbas: after that, can you make sure it's kept up to date on a regular basis <tonyespy> rustyl_: not sure, but i'll check... <mabbas> yes it usually is <tonyespy> mabbas: the last tag was 0.7, the version in the ppa is 0.9 <lool> rustyl_: Don't think so <rustyl_> tonyespy, lool, i don't see any type of *tony* or *eps* <rustyl_> in /home on moblin <tonyespy> rustyl_: ok, i'll create one this afternoon <rustyl_> mabbas, do have an issue with adding another developer with write access? <mabbas> ok the gap here is small and maily to kick hardy build but I will make sure they are always update <mabbas> not at all <tonyespy> ok, i will create an account and then send details to mabbas <mabbas> as long we discuss thing before commit and this will go both way of cource <rustyl_> mawhalen, is HappyCamp_ubuntu HappyCamp on vacation still? <mawhalen> rustyl_: yes - happycamp is on vacation this week. <davidm> Are there any actions I need to track to next week here? <tonyespy> davidm: no <tonyespy> one more piece to the topic... <davidm> tonyespy, OK good enough <tonyespy> which may apply to more than just ppm <davidm> tonyespy, you have the floor <tonyespy> from my pov, ppm is in a way a replacement for gnome-power-manager ( ie. it does many of the same things ) <tonyespy> yet it's licensed under a dual-license ( mit & gpl ) <tonyespy> this prevents code from being pulled from pure gpl projects like gnome-power-mgr <tonyespy> was this intentional? <rustyl_> no, not intentional <tonyespy> can it be fixed? * rustyl_ thinks <lool> Is it important if we lose the MIT part of the license? <tonyespy> there's suspicion (sic) that this might apply to other moblin projects as well... <lool> If you merge GPL code, just update the relevant headers in the source files you copy, debian/copyright, and the result of the combination will be GPL <lool> Just like GPM <tonyespy> lool: but isn't that confusing if the top-level of the project includes the mit license? <bspencer> I believe MIT was added to allow for the potential of someone to create a solution with proprietary bits. But here it is biting us. <rustyl_> i think tonyespy is correct... you can't add GPL licensed code from some other project into a code base that is dual licensed with MIT <lool> Well in Debian/Ubuntu packages we very often have to deal with this; it's best if the toplevel licensing file is correctly indicating which files are MIT+GPL and which are only GPL <rustyl_> if it's a new file, then yea, that's not a problem <bspencer> lool: can you point us to an example? <lool> rustyl_: It makes the code base a mixture of dual licensed + single licensed code which is effectively gpl <rustyl_> the issue is an existing file <lool> bspencer: Looking for one <bspencer> tonyespy: do you already know that you are wanting to pull in gnome-power-mgr stuff? <bspencer> or just guessing you might want to someday <rustyl_> i.e. the user of PPM would not really have the right to use the specific file as MIT (and throw away the rights enforce from the other codebase) <lool> bspencer: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/v/vlc/current/copyright <tonyespy> bspencer: i'm guessing based on my code review <lool> Example of a very complex copyright file listing in details copyright holders and licenses <tonyespy> lool: the end result is still gpl though right??? <lool> If each source file says what it's licensed under (MIT+GPL for historic files and GPL for copied files), and the toplevel file summarizes, that's fine <lool> tonyespy: Yes <rustyl_> tonyespy, lool, we need to loop this back through our process for getting approval for open sourcing the code to see if we can make the code pure GPL <lool> tonyespy: Naturally, if you copy GPL over, you make everything GPL <lool> rustyl_: You don't need to really <tonyespy> lool: so the question is whether or not that's ok w/intel <lool> rustyl_: But the question is whether you're happy with this particular module moving from dual licensing to effectively GPL <tonyespy> lgpl is another way to allow linking of proprietary code... <lool> You can't make GPL code LGPL <tonyespy> lool: right, sorry... <tonyespy> anyways, i wanted to raise the issue... not decided it here. <rustyl_> tonyespy, let me narrow this down some... do you have a need to pull in GPL code on existing files, or will this always be new modules? <tonyespy> rustyl_: right now i don't have a specific piece of code in mind. i brought this up after doing a design/code review of ppm <tonyespy> rustyl_: which does *a lot* of what gnome-power-manager already does.... <tonyespy> rustyl_: and there are certain improvements that have been suggested... <tonyespy> rustyl_: which already exist elsewhere.... <rustyl_> I ask because the current licensing model doesn't really have an issue with new modues. The issue is if you want to pull in pure GPL into the core infrastructure code <tonyespy> rustyl_: i'm not sure it works that way... <tonyespy> rustyl_: the problem's not with the existing code's license... <tonyespy> rustyl_: it's with the license of the source code <tonyespy> rustyl_: no pun intended <tonyespy> rustyl_: should have read 'source of the code' <robr-desk> tonyespy, can you be specific about what improvements are being requested? <bspencer> tonyespy: maybe you could send some patches and we can make a decision as we see the need <rustyl_> well... in order to get permission to change the license I need a clear, rock solid argument or else our process will rip me to pieces. We should try to articulate / better under stand this in an off-line email <bspencer> we're open to discuss a hange if it makes sense. <rustyl_> maybe this can be captured in a bug report? <tonyespy> bspencer, rustyl_, robr-desk: i've posted an analysis on the private intel/canonical wiki <bspencer> tonyespy: start with some patches you want, then let's discuss again next week. <rustyl_> and then let the discussion be documented in the bug? <tonyespy> i can send a link to y'all via email if you'd like <davidm> 10 minute warning <rustyl_> ok, wiki will work <tonyespy> sure... i've also added a bunch of bugs... <tonyespy> rustyl_: just search for PPMAnalysis <lool> on intel.wiki.c.c <mabbas> by the way I dont have access to this wiki so I need access to read tony comments <tonyespy> rustyl_: or take a look at the ppm buglist on launchpad <davidm> mabbas, mawhalen can get you access <mabbas> thanks <tonyespy> that's it for me, unless anyone else has comments / questions <rustyl_> tonyespy, BTW, about creating an account... go ahead and send me your username, email, and ssh public key, and I will create the account and give you write access while John is on vacation <tonyespy> rustyl_: ok, thanks <mawhalen> Yes - I can get them access <davidm> OK <davidm> I have no further items on the wiki page. <davidm> any last minute items? <davidm> OK going once................................ <davidm> OK going twice............... <davidm> #endmeeting <MootBot> Meeting finished at 19:55. <lool> Thanks <lool> rustyl_: Do you have a public document on moblin.org licensing guidance? <lool> Like "this and that layer of this arch must be this license" * davidm changed the topic of #ubuntu-mobile to: This channel is for conversations around the Ubuntu UME development version | Info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded <rustyl_> lool, no... each project has it's own license <lool> rustyl_: Ok, and did you particularly care about ppm being 100% MIT+GPL? <rustyl_> lool, i don't know <bspencer> lool: ppm is part of another project: lesswatts <lool> Ohh right <bspencer> so we share the licensing decision with them. <lool> I understand why we were wondering <lool> Okay, makes sense to me now <rustyl_> lool, to answer that question I would need to revisit the original arguments for what license to use <lool> Ok, understood * lool moves to confcall & <bspencer> bfiller, davidm who is your marketing guy? John... <davidm> Jon is <bspencer> yeah. last name? <davidm> Jon Melamut <bspencer> thx <davidm> NP <inuka_desk> ping GrueMaster <GrueMaster> INUKA_DESK:PONG <GrueMaster> inuka_desk: Pong <GrueMaster> caps was on <inuka_desk> GrueMaster: ok for a moment there I thought you were screaming :) for the CIP stuff... I have come across an issue <GrueMaster> Are you referring to the 7am meeting? <inuka_desk> if I play a certain clip twice helix dubs server freezes, plus there are 6 instance of helix ... .yes <inuka_desk> the behavior is consistent for several driver builds of Beta9 so its definitely nothing to do with the build/image <GrueMaster> Did you see my earlier email? If you could, try to document what you have and post it to the shared drive. You should have r/w permissions. <inuka_desk> GrueMaster: is there anything special I should look at or try to copy over? <GrueMaster> I'm currently testing the latest helix and the latest PSB on the latest Ubuntu snapshot (Beta3). As soon as I get them all loaded, I'll run some tests and see if I see the same thing. <inuka_desk> GrueMaster: ok I will send you a link to the clip I used. <GrueMaster> If you have a particular media clip that hangs, put it in the media folder. <GrueMaster> That will work too. <GrueMaster> Just use my internal email. This IM client is on an external network running off my Linux laptop. <inuka_desk> GrueMaster: ok <GrueMaster> got it <crevette> hey <crevette> is there a way to test the mobile ubuntu on a normal x86 machine ? <GrueMaster> There are a couple of ways. One is to make a live-rw-usb image and boot it, the other is to use a virtual machine, like Virtualbox. <GrueMaster> YOu will need to tweek the /etc/X11/xorg-crownbeach.conf file as it is hardcoded to a specific video chip. <tonyespy> rustyl_: ping <rustyl_> tonyespy, yeap <tonyespy> rustyl_: how do i create an account on moblin? all i can find is the dev mailing list? <rustyl_> you can't do it via the web site <tonyespy> ahhh... <tonyespy> that explains much <rustyl_> send me the user name you want, your email to associate with and public ssh key <tonyespy> ok, will do. thanks. #ubuntu-mobile 2008-04-04 * davidm is away: I'm busy * Hobbsee takes finger off the trigger button. echan. <dholbach> good morning <asac> lool: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt ... we need to make mobile-basic-flash use xul 1.9 now <asac> lool: if you see bob ( i think he is the author, please tell him to talk to me :)) <lool> asac: Ok, I think there was some recent talk that this was more or less unmaintained upstream due to the use of flash <asac> lool: he? <lool> People didn't find the .as files and all to be much hackable <lool> Or buildable or anything <asac> its not used anymore? <asac> thought the home screen used it <asac> anyway, we should fix this either by removing it or by moving to xulrunner-1.9 (which should be simple) <asac> (or demoting to universe) <lool> http://www.moblin.org/pipermail/dev/2008-April/thread.html#1638 <lool> I think we can put the effort to move to -1.9 <asac> so it currently FTBFS? <asac> lool: you create flash using swfmill for instance <asac> i think ill talk to rustyl_ and bob directly <lool> asac: I know there are some hacks like swfmill, but it's simply not something opensource minded people are interested to maintain <asac> lool: so, is it used atm or not? <lool> asac: ATM, mobile-basic-flash is included <asac> yeah ok. * davidm is back (gone 13:44:35) #ubuntu-mobile 2008-04-05 <javahorn> how to test an application in device agnostic manner , i mean to test it on firmware so that it can be established that it will run on all the family of mobile phones of one type ,of one vendor ? <eitreach> Howdy. I'm looking to use Ubuntu Mobile with my asus eee - where can I download the current version? <Random> how does one specify applets to be loaded at desktop startup? <eitreach> Random, how did you install and what did you install on? <Random> i did apt-get install ubuntu-mobile, on a more-or-less normal computer <Random> which, i realize its not quite supported <Random> however, im using this stuff for my carputer, which has a touchscreen <Random> so, the interface is ideal for usage with that <Random> just all the other hardware is pretty much a normal PC <eitreach> random I have very limited space on the eee.. Do you recall how big the install was? <Random> *shrugs* didn't pay attention... i have an 80gb hard drive, so i really haven't paid attention to the space constraints <eitreach> alright. Thanks anyhow. :) <Random> i *think* its one of the options you can select in one of the installers <Random> i've seen that their goal is <= 500MB <eitreach> I haven't been able to find an iso yet.. Just img-files, which I wouldn't know how to use, sadly. <Random> yeah, thats the maddening part... they're specifically targetting handheld phone devices, and not making it easy to use as just another ubuntu install <eitreach> with the umpc-market booming, I hope that'll change soon. <Random> theres a way discussed on the wiki i believe to install into a chroot environment <eitreach> hmm.. I could see that out. <Random> conceivably you could then tar that up and copy to your eee <eitreach> I'm just a regular desktop-user, heh.. It sounds amazingly complicated, sadly. <Random> yeah, its all still very alpha IMHO <eitreach> oh well.. s'pose I'll just use 7.10 on it. It works well anyhow.. just curious to see how it would work. It seems nice. <Random> screenshot: http://www.virtualroadside.com/blog/index.php/2008/04/05/ubuntu-mobile-screenshot-on-my-carputer/ <eitreach> sigh.. it looks so nice. Would work well on the small screen, I think. <Random> yes, sadly its not entirely functional :-p <eitreach> that's why I changed from the Xandros-distro shipped with the eee. :p <eitreach> wrecked my system too many times apt-getting ordinary things. <Random> yeah.. of the icons shown on my desktop there... the only ones that actually do anything is the Web Browser, Terminal, Control Panel, and Galculator <Random> lol <Random> the other ones silently die <Random> and i still cant figure out where the hell it decides which icons are displayed on the desktop <eitreach> bah.. wish there were more funds to fund the funding. <eitreach> wonder if Android will be available for installs on umpcs as well.. it could start a pleasant new trend. <Random> indeed <eitreach> not that I don't like regular Ubuntu.. I use it on my main desktop as well - I just like seeing new things. <Random> yeah... heres the chroot thing... it probably works in hardy too: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/HildonDesktopManualProcedure <eitreach> I'll try that out should I randomly hop into a manic state of mind. Thanks. :) <ricky_> hi everybody <ricky_> a little question, anyone knows if this porting is possible on a Motorola a1000 ? <solo> i have a 7'' touchscreen and am interested in running ubuntu mobile <solo> where do i stat <solo> start #ubuntu-mobile 2008-04-06 <Ziroday> Hi, I am having some trouble with the Image Creator when I create a Fset <Ziroday> You can see a pastebin of the error here http://pastebin.com/m18c25ef5 <rx5720> hi everyone... <dns53> hi <rx5720> is it possible to port ubuntu mobile or embedded to an ipaq rx5720 <dns53> well that is a different cpu architecture, ubuntu-mobile is for the intel ume platform but there is no reason why you could not port it <dns53> ubuntu-mibile uses a 386 compatible cpu from what i can see <rx5720> because i have many problems running opie on haret <rx5720> it crashes every time <dns53> well ubuntu-mobile is basically a port of the gnome-moblie/moblin platform which has links to the n800 and neo 1973 so it should be portable <rx5720> has anyone ever tried to port it to a samsung s3c2442 processor? <dns53> well i'm not a developer, i don't know <slytherin> is anyone planning to package latest telepathy-stream-engine (0.5) ? <krychek> hi, will ubuntu mobile be ported to arm architecture so i can run it on my fujitsu n560 pda? :| <davmor2> krychek: reading the docs not at the moment. <krychek> ? youre not reading the docs at the moment? <davmor2> no <davmor2> krychek: At the moment the docs say not. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/FAQ <krychek> yes ive read that.. i thought someone has same inside info here :) <lool> No ARM port planned yet <krychek> too bad :( most pdas have arm <The_PHP_Jedi> :( <The_PHP_Jedi> PDAs need a linux distro that's at least semi-actively developed, since Familiar Linux hasn't really been alive for a while, and it doesn't run quite well on most modern PDAs. <The_PHP_Jedi> an ARM port of UME would be great. :) <krychek> wont canonical invest some money to make some arm mobile ubuntu? <krychek> i dont like windows mobile.. :/ #ubuntu-mobile 2008-04-07 <crevette> hello <dholbach> good morning <crevette> salut dholbach <dholbach> hiya crevette <crevette> hello <crevette> who should I ping to have gnome-phone-manager updated and gnokii as well, it would fix some bugs <crevette> I assume I have to ask a FFE ? <Hobbsee> yes. <crevette> for ref it would fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-phone-manager/+bug/181909 <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181909 in gnome-phone-manager "SonyEricsson phones can't send SMS" [Undecided,New] <crevette> at least <crevette> heu lool <crevette> the maobile is responsible of gnome-phone-manager ? <davmor2> guys I'm using moblin image creator to test out ume following the instructions here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/UMEdesktop MIC's console can't locate ports.ubuntu.com? I'm guessing it's a dns issue as I can't ping google either or is it something else? How can I get around it? <StevenK> davmor2: Check /etc/resolv.conf <StevenK> davmor2: It is probably pointing to nameservers you don't have <davmor2> ta <davmor2> fixed thanks <lool> crevette: I don't think we are (BTW, ping me with "lool: " otherwise I don't see the ping ;) <crevette> hey lool <crevette> okay <crevette> it's a bit diffcult from outside to see who to poing, I'll look at the package and 'ill ping the previous uploader <crevette> ah it'come from debian <dns53> i can't seem to get a rw usb image to boot that i used image-creator to build, what should i do to track down the problem? <dns53> it may be in the kernel or the start of init, i can't see where one starts and the other follows <lool> crevette: I don't think we have someone in particular doing it in Ubuntu indeefd <luke_yang> msg nickserv register 123456 <luke_yang> msg luke_yang test <luke_yang> msg NickServ IDENTIFY 123456 <agoliveira> luke_yang: I don't think you're going to do much without the / in front of the command :) <lool> luke_yang: Do change your password, you just sent it to a public channel <GrueMaster> davidm: ping Did the ABI changeover complete successfully? <davidm> GrueMaster, I believe it did, amitk is the master of ceremonies on the mobile kernel so he is the best to ask. <GrueMaster> Ok. Just checking as I'm having image build issues. Of course, they could be image-creator related (again). * davidm is away: I'm busy <crevette> lool: sorry I didn't read what you said this afternoon <crevette> could you repeat please ? <lool> crevette: 14:59 < lool> crevette: I don't think we have someone in particular doing it in Ubuntu indeefd <crevette> okay <crevette> thanks <lool> GrueMaster: Last time I checked, linux-restricted-2.6.24-15 was still waiting for NEW processing on lpia <lool> But it doesn't take long <lool> I poked #ubuntu-kernel to have a look <GrueMaster> lool: I think image creator is having other issues with the ppa. <GrueMaster> my log is showing unmet dependencies with contacts-snapshot, moblin-applets, and tasks-hildon <lool> GrueMaster: I'd need more details on how to reproduce the error; we've started setting up daily builds based on snapshot to catch these, but I don't think they are ready yet (didn't check though) <lool> GrueMaster: What exact configuration are you using? <GrueMaster> I get a daily git snapshot of image creator from the git tree on moblin.org. Then I have a script that generates images from there. <lool> GrueMaster: What matters to me is what package set you try to apt-get install with what APT repositories in your sources <GrueMaster> The fset I use is crownbeach-Full-Mobile-Stack-With-Proprietary <GrueMaster> Everything is automated at this point. <GrueMaster> s/crownbeach/Crownbeach/ <lool> GrueMaster: I think that's enough info; I'm not too tempted to start debugging tonight TBH (10:46 pm), but I'll try to think of reproducing; it's very likely GNOME 2.22.1 updates again <GrueMaster> the platform is menlow-lpia-ubuntu-hardy-ppa <GrueMaster> And the complete image-creator command is: <GrueMaster> /usr/bin/image-creator --command=install-fset --platform-name=menlow-lpia-ubuntu-hardy-ppa --project-name=ubuntu-hardy-20080407-1 --target-name=20080407 --fset=CrownBeach-Full-Mobile-Stack-with-Proprietary <GrueMaster> Looks like unmet dependency issues with ubuntu-mobile: <GrueMaster> The following packages have unmet dependencies: <GrueMaster> ubuntu-mobile: Depends: contacts-snapshot but it is not going to be installed <GrueMaster> Depends: moblin-applets but it is not going to be installed <GrueMaster> Depends: tasks-hildon but it is not going to be installed <GrueMaster> Hope that's helpful <lool> GrueMaster: if you want to help debug, you can chroot into the /fs dir and type apt-get install ubuntu-mobile contacts-snapshot moblin-applets tasks-hildon <lool> This will force apt-get to tell you about a more direct mismatch <lool> Ultimately, either a missing package or a package with a too old version or a conflict or something <lool> ATM, it reports contacts-snapshot can't be installed, but it wont tell you why (probably because e-d-s is too old) <GrueMaster> looks like it boils down to two problems. first is with contacts-snapshot, which depends on evolution-data-server with depends on a newer file: <GrueMaster> evolution-data-server: Depends: evolution-data-server-common (= 2.22.1-0ubuntu1) but 2.22.0-0ubuntu2 is to be installed <GrueMaster> I think this is the root of current evil. <lool> GrueMaster: I've pushed evolution-data-server 2.22.1-0ubuntu1~804um1 to the ppa; it should solve the first issue you see; if there are others, let me kno <lool> w <lool> (It will be built and installed in a couple of hours I'd say; less if the buildds are idle) <GrueMaster> it seems to be pushing through now. <GrueMaster> I ran apt-get update, then apt-get install ubuntu-mobile. Lots of packages are installing now. <lool> GrueMaster: Well it shouldn't have been that quick <lool> And MIC is supposed to apt-get update <lool> So it means the problem went away by itself which isn't nice <GrueMaster> I didn't think it would be that easy. I deleted the project and am rebuilding through my script. I should know one way or the other in a couple of minutes. * lool & <GrueMaster> lool: It's now building the usb install images (last stage in my script). That means it has gotten past whatever hiccup was currently there. Thanks for your help. <crevette> good night #ubuntu-mobile 2008-04-08 <dholbach> good morning <amitk_> asac: Noticed that Intel has release connection manager now? <asac> amitk_: url? <amitk_> moblin.org <amitk_> asac: more specific one: http://www.moblin.org/projects/projects_connman.php <amitk_> jayc_: had a chance to test the -15 kernel? <amitk_> and good morning ;-) <jayc_> amitk_:I did build it and install it, but did not do any testing other than that <amitk_> jayc_: ok. Just curious. Do you think we might see more updates from dabney? <jayc_> amitk_: I don't think there will be any, as per my last communication with India team <amitk_> jayc_: ok <jayc_> amitk_:Do you think there should be an update? <amitk_> jayc_: no. I just wanted to understand what else is pending before the hardy release. I expect 1-2 DRM patches and minor bugfixes from now on <jayc_> amitk_: OK <amitk_> jayc_: just helps me to plan my time for the future <GrueMaster> problem with recent public snapshot. Anyone home that can tell me why I get no audio after installing helix? <GrueMaster> Nevermind. Occums Razor of validation: Simplest solutions tend to be correct. Modprobe snd_pcm_oss fixed it. #ubuntu-mobile 2008-04-09 <dholbach> good morning <vdn> good morning <lool> y <lool> yo! <asac> hey <asac> lool: do you know who sponsored midbrowser? <StevenK> I did <asac> StevenK: strange on launchpad its "uploaded by cwong1" <asac> was that a sync from mobile PPA? <StevenK> asac: That's Launchpad using the Uploaded-By field in the .changes file <StevenK> asac: Yes, it was taken from the ubuntu-mobile PPA. <asac> StevenK: why do you use that Uploaded-By field? <StevenK> asac: Because I didn't want to regenerate the 50Mb tarball and then have to upload it from my home ADSL. <asac> StevenK: ok. so it was a sync request? <asac> StevenK: can we disable that sync again? <StevenK> asac: Well, it was a fakesync <asac> StevenK: we want to push that to main and i don't like the idea that it gets auto promoted from mobile PPA <asac> (i am fine if you review and test it though - instead of me) <asac> StevenK: how does this kind of fakesync work technically? <StevenK> asac: Download the source package from the PPA, re-sign it and upload to the archive <asac> StevenK: ah ... and you did that from rookery i guess <StevenK> asac: chinstrap, so close enough <asac> StevenK: anyway ... please test it before doing next time. afaik it doesn't start atm ;) <StevenK> Gah! <asac> yay \o/ <StevenK> asac: Sorry for the trouble :-/ <asac> no problem. i don't have trouble ;) <asac> ill delegate that to cwong ;) <StevenK> You're happy to upload it after cwong1 has fixed it? <asac> StevenK: i am happy to do the hardy pushes, yes. <davmor2> I can't seem to get notepad to work in xephyr mode. Is this a know issue? <davmor2> nor chat <Dennis__> hello, i have a question, is it posible for me to use ubuntu mobile on my acer n311? or is the project still to far in beta ? <persia> Dennis__: You'd need to port it to ARM first, your resolution might be a bit low, and it's still under development. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/FAQ <Dennis__> ok thank you, <lool> Oh this one made my day: <lool> root@ume:~# /etc/init.d/moblin-system-daemon stop; echo $? * Stopping MoblinSystemDaemon moblin-system-daemon [ OK ] <lool> 0 <lool> root@ume:~# invoke-rc.d moblin-system-daemon stop; echo $? * Stopping MoblinSystemDaemon moblin-system-daemon Terminated <lool> 143 <lool> Heh and it's due to a ps | grep finding invoke-rc.d itself to kill; cute <mboman> hi. I am building UME for my Cloudbook <mboman> but it seems to have a problem adding function sets <ian_brasil_> mboman: are you following the image creator info on moblin.org? <mboman> ian_brasil_: I following this document: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/CreatingAnImageForUMEDevice <ian_brasil_> mboman: there is a warning on this page that more recent documentation is available at http://moblin.org/documentation_howto/howto_create-image.php ..maybe have a look on there too? <ditoa> hey all <[g2]> ditoa: hi :) <ditoa> i own an eee pc and was wondering if it is possible to install ubuntu mobile to it? <agoliveira> ditoa: Yes, it is but will require some tinkering with the kernel to make network work I guess. I have one but didn't try it yet. <GrueMaster> Yes, it is. Use the mccaslin images to install. <GrueMaster> The hardware is very similar. <ditoa> ahh cool <[g2]> is UME x86 focused or multi ARCH like ARM <ditoa> i only read about ubuntu mobile like 10 minutes ago so please forgive me asking questions for which the answers are well known :) <agoliveira> ditoa: Check this one out: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded <ditoa> many thanks :) #ubuntu-mobile 2008-04-10 <dholbach> good morning <lool> "The COM 840 is expected to ship in 45 days. By then, Ampro has promised to begin distributing a free Ubuntu-derived Linux 2.6 distribution with all its board-level system products." <lool> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9574268984.html <lool> amitk: So we're going to have a -16? Is that uploaded/in progress already? <amitk> lool: kernel done, modules and meta pending <amitk> lool: actually i386 failed, so kernel needs another fix <lool> amitk: Is it likely that this happens again before the release? <amitk> lool: what happens before the release? <lool> Another bump <amitk> lool: definitely, I'll fix it now <lool> amitk: My question was, will there be a -17 before the release :) <amitk> lool: possibly :) <lool> :-/ It's hard to tell Intel to rebuild the drivers over and over, but I guess it's a consequence of the driver being closed so really a consequence of the requirements for a proprietary driver <dns53> intel drivers are open <lool> Hmm not these :) <amitk> lool: which is why I told Intel to wait until the RC kernel is published before I gave them the green signal. <lool> Ok <lool> bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-mobile/hildon-desktop/ubuntu => 5 mn 28 secs <amitk> it's a feature :) <slytherin> hi, do we do any empathy related discussions here? <lool> slytherin: Not really <lool> slytherin: You're welcome to, but it's more around UME here <slytherin> lool: No problem. I got the answer to my question already. <lool> Ok <lool> THIRTY FOUR minutes and 29 seconds to bzr upgrade a remote lp branch over sftp <agoliveira> lool: ..and I thought that the problem was on my link. <lool> bfiller: new marquee-plugins wasn't working properly went build against hardy's hildon-desktop (ubuntu1 versus ubuntu10); could it be that we inadvertedly broke ABI in the latest hildon-desktop changes? I'd like to know whether I need a versionned build-dep or something <bfiller> lool: not sure how ABI could get broken. I didn't touch any build files or anything. <bfiller> lool: could it be marquee-plugins is not right? <lool> bfiller: It could be as well <lool> bfiller: I suspect it relies on something which is only true in newer hildon-desktop, but the fact that it the version you /build/ against which influences the result scares me <lool> (No warning during build) <amitk> lool: irc meeting in 45min? <lool> amitk: Yes <lool> 14 minutes that a vcs import "bzr pull" has been running, this is depressing <smagoun> lool: have you tried CVS? It's way faster than bzr * smagoun runs <lool> smagoun: My piss off level is raising as my bzr pull continues running for minutes and minutes <smagoun> lool: I don't blame you. bzr is not fast. <lool> I don't recall being so unhappy with it last time I talked to launchpad; I suspect some upgrade caused this
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