#kubuntu-devel 2005-12-01 <Riddell> \sh: kdelibs is in <\sh> Riddell: saw it...rock :) <Riddell> appologies for the delay <\sh> name of it? kdelibs4c2a? <\sh> no ways :) <Riddell> yes, but build-dep on kdelibs4-dev (>= 4:3.5-rc2) <\sh> lets see what we can do for universe and other stuff :) <\sh> what about kdebase? 3.5-rc1 is uploaded..i think you are updating them.. <Riddell> yes, I'm just checking in pbuilder then I'll upload alkl of kde 3.5 rc2 <Riddell> all <\sh> k <Riddell> \sh: why does kdiff3 need libacl1-dev and libattr1-dev? <\sh> this is one secret I have to find out/ <\sh> it wants libacl.la and libattr.la <Riddell> spooky <\sh> from where, and why...I'll check tomorrow :) <\sh> yeah <\sh> was just a test compile against the new kdelibs :) <Riddell> hmm, wonder if that's a problem with kdelibs4-dev then <\sh> are you using somewhere libarchive? <Riddell> what's that? <\sh> shermann@r200:~$ apt-cache rdepends libattr1-dev <\sh> libattr1-dev <\sh> Reverse Depends: <\sh> libarchive-dev <\sh> bsdtar? <Riddell> kdelibs now uses libattr1-dev and libacl1-dev <\sh> uh <\sh> then we have some fun with getting rid of the .la <\sh> anyways..i'm done for this morning...later this afternoon I do what I can to rebuild kde universe <\sh> good night Riddell and thx for bringing kde3.5 to the people :) <Riddell> yeah, looks like I need to add those to kdelibs4-dev <Riddell> hello simon_, don't think I know you? <mdz> Riddell: any news on amarok vs. anastacia? <Riddell> mdz: just pbuilding it now, it was synced to debian without gstreamer-mad being moved back to suggests <mdz> ok <Riddell> \sh_away: you uploaded amarok as a native package, careful with that <freeflying> Riddell:may you change the default chinese font to ttf-arphic-uming and ttf-arphic-ukai <Riddell> freeflying: what are the defaults currently and why are these ones better? <freeflying> Riddell: those i told with perform more better than now in dapper <Riddell> freeflying: have you tested them? <freeflying> Riddell: also there have another font can display chinese in bold defaultly <freeflying> Riddell: sure,we include them in our ubuntu-cn <Riddell> freeflying: ok, should be possible, could you write main inclusion reports? <Riddell> http://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuMainInclusionQueue <freeflying> no problem <Riddell> freeflying: send me an e-mail when you've written them <Riddell> then I'll need to add the fonts to the seeds <freeflying> ok <freeflying> Riddell: and how about the skim ^_^ <freeflying> Riddell: need it more works ? <Riddell> freeflying: I'm doing REVU now :) <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, I've been at home this week without my devel machine (thanksgiving), but when I return I think I'll need help with the remaining kmobiletools issues. I don't have amd64 or ppc machines to test it on (so I don't know if it's x86 only) and I'm not sure how to get rid of config.sub and config.guess since it wasn't there before. I might hit you up next week if that's all right <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: sure <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: any reason to believe it's i386 only? <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: just add a rm -f config.sub config.guess line to the clear rule <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, no not really; are things usually cross-system as a rule? <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: yep <seth_k|lappy> cheers <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: so you need to change i386 to any in debian/control <seth_k|lappy> yes <seth_k|lappy> I'll do it Sunday when I go back home :) it's been rather a pain b/c REVU is broken and I can't post comments, and siretart hasn't gotten back to me yet. I'll poke him again <Riddell> revu works for me <seth_k|lappy> Yeah, I'm a special case :P two identities on the same keychain <seth_k|lappy> and it got confused <seth_k|lappy> he just hasn't gotten back to me with a workaround or fix yet <seth_k|lappy> I switched from douglassanchez@example.org to douglassanchez@example.org for uploads <seth_k|lappy> but it won't give me a password for douglassanchez@example.org, since it has the same fingerprint as douglassanchez@example.org (same key, different IDs) <Riddell> how confusing <simon_> Riddell:Sorry, was asleep. I'm just lurking in the channel to see how things are going :) <\sh> moins riddell <pef> for french people : http://www.fsffrance.org/news/article2005-11-25.fr.html :/ <pef> opensources software may become illegal in France <author-psi> pef: omg <author-psi> pef: why? <pef> author-psi: opensource softwares cannot contains technical systems that allow a control of what you are doing, for example an activity which my be illegal <author-psi> pef: wtf... :/ mhm <jpatrick> Riddell: ping <amu> pef: stange, translated it via goole <freeflying> amu: hi,how about your livecd <amu> upgraded runns without problems, if you have some time we can do it <Riddell> jpat|away: hi <jpatrick> Riddell: just wondering about what to do with kxdocker... <Riddell> jpatrick: upload it with new version but minimal changes from debian <jpatrick> Riddell: I have uploaded a new one <Riddell> I think the changelog is the only thing that needs changing <jpatrick> Riddell: and this one makes a .deb <Riddell> that's always a good sign :) <jpatrick> (which has the files) <freeflying> Riddell: I've correct the error in rules and re-upload it <jpatrick> Riddell: also updated StyleClock <Riddell> freeflying: which package? <freeflying> Riddell: skim <Riddell> ok, I'll take a look at those shortly <freeflying> eva need the next release <jpatrick> Riddell: also changed compats -> 5 <Riddell> jpatrick: on which? <jpatrick> Both <amu> freeflying: let me test the german version, the build runs without problems, something must be strange :) <freeflying> amu: without problems , is it great? :) <amu> :) we'll see <Riddell> mornfall: ping <ytannus> hello? <Riddell> hello ytannus <ytannus> Hi Jonathan <Riddell> dood <ytannus> I red you wmail... thanks <Riddell> ytannus: doesn't matter if it's not your app, almost no pacakges are packaged by the author <Riddell> ytannus: and I recon your package would be a nice addition to our archives <ytannus> riddell: thanks, really I made a lot of package but I share it only with some friends... <Riddell> so the thing to do it point me at the sources and I'll review it and to poke a chap called siretat to give you an account on revu where you can upload it and it'll be reviewed properly <Riddell> what other packages have you made? <ytannus> right now I have this ones in mi hdd: <ytannus> comix-1.3.4_1.3.4-1_i386.deb libborqt_6.9.0-3_i386.deb metamonitor-0.3_0.3-1_i386.deb <ytannus> flatknifty_0.5-1_i386.deb libsipphoneapi_0.78.20051020-1_i386.deb metamonitor_0.4-1_i386.deb <ytannus> kdvdbackup_0.6-1_i386.deb lingot_0.6.1-1_i386.deb wlassistant-0.5.4a_0.5.4a-1_i386.deb <ytannus> kurses_0.1-1_i386.deb mdnsresponder_0.9.8-2_i386.deb <ytannus> well, lingot is not a kde application really <Riddell> wow :) <ytannus> ops, mdnsresponder is not my ;) <ytannus> anyway I can made all packages that we need... those are only what I need for mi computer <Riddell> so get an account on revu and upload the sources there, me or someone else will review them and before long we'll get them for all to use <ytannus> the thing is that I want to be a contributor ...just shoot me :) <Riddell> http://wiki.kubuntu.org/REVU <Riddell> actually the best way to help is to fix bugs but for some reason people prefer to make packages :) <ytannus> I guess that for fix bug you need to know programing, to make packages just sudo chackintall hehehe <ytannus> I'm not an expert programer, but I will try to check some bugs too <Riddell> woo :) <ytannus> ATTENTION: REVU HAS MOVED! Please update your dput.cf :S <Riddell> that was ages ago <Riddell> can probably be removed <ytannus> ok, my public key is sent... <ytannus> question, so I need a special program to upoload? revu is a program... what protocol is defined? <ytannus> so I need = do I need <ytannus> please, forget my question... I found the answer.... <Riddell> revu is http://revu.tauware.de/ <Riddell> upload with dput, which is just a frontend to an ftp uploader <ytannus> where do you have the bug list? <ytannus> (I'm using ncftp :) ) <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+assignedbugs <Riddell> is the universe bugs <Riddell> and search for kde on bugzilla.ubuntu.com for the main bugs <ytannus> ok, I'm uploading some ones, let me know if are ok... <Riddell> probably a lot of the entires in those are duplicate or invalid in some way <Riddell> you have a revu account already? <ytannus> nop, I'm uploading using anonymous account <Riddell> hmm, I suspect it will just throw those away <ytannus> I miss something...sorry :) <Riddell> you need to get your key included, then debuild -S and sign the package, then dput revu foo.changes to upload <ytannus> perfect <Riddell> but if you just upload the sources anywhere I can take a look at them nowish <ytannus> look: wiki said: "After your first upload, you will be automatically registered to the database and assigned a random password." <ytannus> but when I try to login i got: login for user "ytannus" failed, please retry or recover <Riddell> have you been given a password? <ytannus> yes and, the second time, no <Riddell> ytannus: /join #ubuntu-motu <ytannus> ok <ytannus> /join #ubuntu-motu <ytannus> haha sorry <Riddell> no space :) <ytannus> ;) <\sh> Riddell: you uploaded cdbs already? <Riddell> \sh: I did but it failed and I've no idea why <Riddell> \sh: feel free to try and work out why <\sh> Riddell: cdbs? forget it :) <\sh> hehe..i'll have a look while gambas is building <\sh> hmmm....one test out of 8 failed...I wonder which one <Riddell> the recursive.sh one <Riddell> works fine in my pbuilder <\sh> hmmm... <\sh> buildd admin involvement :) <\sh> but infinity is away...and lamont hates cdbs :) <Riddell> that's why I pinged jbailey but I guess he's doing this weekend thing people talk about <lamont-away> \sh: and jbailey owns cdbs <\sh> lamont-away: bet now....cdbs build issue, or buildd issue? 50/50 and the winner will get some beer or whisky from me :) * lamont-away tries to care. :-) * \sh hugs lamont-away * lamont-away notes that "try" is a 3-letter word for "fail" <lamont-away> ew. that's a jbailey issue <\sh> cdbs to hell :) <Riddell> pef: you don't love kubuntu-bugs any more? * Diablo-D3 trashes his desktop. <mdz> Riddell: libakode-dev build-depends: libpolyp-dev, see anastacia <Riddell> mdz: fixed in akode_2-rc1-1ubuntu2, which has compiled but has a NEW binary package <mdz> Riddell: odd, it's in queue/accepted <Diablo-D3> Riddell: is kmail and co. uploads coming soon? <mdz> Riddell: it was accepted, but didn't enter the archive <Riddell> Diablo-D3: done, see dapper-changes <Diablo-D3> Riddell: yay. * Diablo-D3 waits for them to appear on archive <Riddell> mdz: why might it do that? <mdz> Riddell: I don't know; looks like one for elmo <mdz> queue/REPORT says it's being accepted, but it's still there <\sh> Riddell: hmm..do you want to backport gpod support from 1.4svn? <Riddell> \sh: no, not if it's not in 1.3 <\sh> Riddell: it will be supported in 1.4 <Riddell> \sh: we'll wait for that then <Diablo-D3> Riddell: can I ask you your opinion on something? <Riddell> Diablo-D3: yes <Diablo-D3> Riddell: do you think there is room for another desktop environment? <Riddell> no! <Riddell> quite enough already <Diablo-D3> but what if gnome and kde are flawed, and have no interest in fixing said flaws? <Riddell> we have interests in fixing all flaws <Diablo-D3> actually, kde only has one major flaw <Diablo-D3> that flaw is the fact it uses c++ <Diablo-D3> I dont see that one being fixed anytime soon. <Riddell> well guidance as used in kubuntu is the first program in KDE SVN that uses python <Riddell> but c++ is better than C <Diablo-D3> I dont see python as the answer either * Diablo-D3 wants to see kde rewritten in objc. <Riddell> that would be gnustep you want then <Diablo-D3> Riddell: ever notice who owns #gnustep-dev? ;) <Riddell> but I don't see any significant advantage in porting the whole of kde and qt to another compiled language <Diablo-D3> but yeah, I dont think gnustep is the answer either, mainly because gnustep never formed a desktop environment. <Diablo-D3> though that doesnt top me from using gnustep to further my goals. <Diablo-D3> *step <Diablo-D3> argh <Diablo-D3> *ess tee ooh pee <Diablo-D3> curse the typo daemon! <Diablo-D3> Riddell: I dont see any reason why c++ was used in the first place <Diablo-D3> c++ only causes problems to large projects. <Diablo-D3> kde, of course, is a good example of how to beat c++ into submission, but you still suffer from other c++isms <Diablo-D3> such as this whole abi transition <Diablo-D3> I wouldnt care if these only happened once in a blue moon, but it happens every new major gcc version <Diablo-D3> if kde had been written in objc, this would never happen. <Diablo-D3> Riddell: so thats why I think kde is almost perfect... the choice of language was wrong. <Diablo-D3> other than that, the quality itself is pretty much unsurpassed. <Diablo-D3> and the functionality is great <Diablo-D3> Riddell: so, with that said, you still think there is no room for a third major desktop environment? <Riddell> c++ transitions are a pain for packagers like me but they shouldn't affect users. and I'm not convinced that the same thing wouldn't happen with objective-c <Riddell> nope <Diablo-D3> the same thing wouldnt happen because the api is unchanging. <Diablo-D3> and the abi 'doesnt exist' <Diablo-D3> all the actual abi stuff is defined by C. <Diablo-D3> well, the stuff that matters anyhow <Diablo-D3> Riddell: Im wondering if you're right, though <Diablo-D3> I've asked a few others who's opinions I value (you included, of course) and they've been saying the same thing <Diablo-D3> even some of the hardcore gnustep fans and devs pretty much wonder where an objc-based desktop environment's place is <Diablo-D3> Riddell: you know whats funny? <Diablo-D3> gnustep was the original gnome. <Diablo-D3> until the fsf decided to kick gnustep to the roadside, and startup gnome <Diablo-D3> they decided "oh, objc sucks! we need something thats C! and has no functionality! and is a total pain in the ass to develop for!" <Diablo-D3> "and we need to kill kde, because it uses qt which isnt FREE SOFTWARE!" <Diablo-D3> Riddell: do me a favor, dont ever stop working on kde <Riddell> qt wasn't free software, I don't blame people for starting something that was <Diablo-D3> so? you dont go make a whole new desktop environment for that <Diablo-D3> that just gives all the people who worked hard on kde the finger <Diablo-D3> just because qt wanst free software doesnt mean kde wasnt <Diablo-D3> they should have tried to make a fully functioning qt clone instead <Riddell> they did, but it's much harder to do <Diablo-D3> so less effort would have been wasted on making an entirely new one, which gnome ended up being a total and complete failure and/or mess anyhow <Riddell> see Java <Diablo-D3> no, java is different <Diablo-D3> we already had a fully functioning c++ compiler, qt itself used it <Diablo-D3> and we already understood how qt worked, it wasnt a black box. <apokryphos> it's hardly obvious that gnome has been a complete failure; they have quite a big market, even if it's not as big as kde's <Diablo-D3> apokryphos: I have different ways of measuring if foss is a failure or not <Diablo-D3> apokryphos: infact, gnome could have more users than kde, and it still would be a complete failure <apokryphos> you'll have to forgive me if I disagree with your definition then ;-) <Diablo-D3> the code design in most places is horrid, the way apps are designed altogether is horrid, it depends on gtk and glib which are completely horrid <Diablo-D3> and as I said earlier, its nearly impossible to develop for <pef> Riddell: just changed email address :) @ubuntu instead of dev.erodia.net <Diablo-D3> hrm * Diablo-D3 wonders how long it takes archive to update #kubuntu-devel 2005-12-02 <DiabloD3> I'm streaming again: http://svn.atheme.org:10000/broadband.ogg.m3u <pef> hello <mornfall> Riddell: how is it looking with the bounty thingy? :-) <freeflying> mcan i download flight-1 with jigit now <freeflying> can i download flight-1 with jigit now <raphink> \sh, Riddell : are you there? <\sh> douglassanchez@example.org working.. <raphink> \sh: I was having a look at kleansweep, there's an unofficial package that is clean and builds fine in my dapper pbuilder <raphink> it's a debian package <raphink> what should be done in this case? <\sh> it's not in debian? <raphink> nope <raphink> it's there : http://repos.knio.it/ <\sh> upload to revu and get it reviewed... <raphink> with someone else's name? <raphink> I mean its not my own package <\sh> and? <raphink> I can upload a package that has been signed by someone else? <\sh> or put it on UniverseCandidates <\sh> raphink: u can sign it by yourself..if you make an ubuntu package out of it <\sh> raphink: or file a RFP to debian <raphink> well I mean I could package it myself <raphink> but since it's already packaged and maintain <raphink> is it really worth it? <\sh> raphink: is it in debian? if not, there is only unofficial maintainership..and we should bring it in as new package...if you can do it.do it. create an ubuntu package <raphink> ok <raphink> fine :) <\sh> and tell the current maintainer that you will bring it to ubuntu, if he's not faster to bring it into debian :) <raphink> hmm <raphink> I'll do that later ;) <raphink> his package uses scons and dpatch <raphink> :s <raphink> I'd like to switch to cdbs rather so i'll do that when I fee braver ;) <mornfall> Riddell: pong <mornfall> Riddell: (not that i noticed your ping :p) <mornfall> hmm <mornfall> i got confused in time <mornfall> bah :p <Diablo-D3> yay! <Diablo-D3> my kdesktop doesnt wig out <Tm_T> hummm, nice bunch of upgrades :) <Tm_T> hehe, looks like my KDE is in quite mess now =) <\sh> Riddell: ping <\sh> kde3.5rc2 ,) if you move one applet on the panel..it changes the settings of other icons on the panel <\sh> konversation is just losing the server settings from the connection dialog <\sh> but it's much much faster then 3.4..kewl <\sh> hmmm.. <\sh> when maximizing the screen......the first 5 or 10 pixels of the window decoration are under the panel <\sh> konversation doesn't jump to the end of the textarea <\sh> let's have a look tomorrow what's wrong with it #kubuntu-devel 2005-12-03 <Diablo-D3> I'm streaming live: http://svn.atheme.org:10000/broadband.ogg <raphink> Riddell, \sh_away : you're around? <raphink> I'm writing a script that would do something of an emerge-like command on debian systems <raphink> anyone wanna try it ? ;) <Diablo-D3> raphink: stfu. <raphink> Diablo-D3: wanna try? <raphink> ;) * Diablo-D3 has kmail 1.9 working yay <Diablo-D3> I wonder when archive will get these debs <viviersf> Riddell, ping <Tonio_> morning <Tm_T> hm, where's kdelibs4c2 package in dapper? <Tm_T> ok, no adept, no amarok... let's see if I can compile and use Kopete :p <freeflying> Tm_T: it's replaced by kdelibs4c2a <Tm_T> hum <Tm_T> so some packages haven't updated yet(?) <freeflying> sure <Tm_T> :p <Tm_T> it's just, my whole kde is in one big mess now =) <Tm_T> no kdm <Tm_T> maybe I start to compile kde myself ;) <freeflying> Tm_T: you only need compile the kde-style-lipstik <Tm_T> eh <Tm_T> great, now electricity was cut out <Tm_T> I need ups <Riddell> viviersf: hi <freeflying> Riddell: hi <Riddell> hi freeflying <freeflying> Riddell: when will all kde3.5 package in dapper <Tm_T> let's see if I cancompile amarok <Tm_T> I can, without arts engine \o/ <Riddell> freeflying: soon <Riddell> Tm_T: why withour arts? <mornfall> Riddell: pong! <Tm_T> Riddell: looks like I can't install some arts related dev packages <Tm_T> so configure leaves arts support <Riddell> Tm_T: what can't you install? <Tm_T> dunno, my kde is now quite mess, I'm trying to collect stuff back together <Tm_T> I tell as soon as I know more <Tm_T> E: Build-dependencies for amarok could not be satisfied. <Tm_T> when doing apt-get build-dep amarok <Tm_T> ok, I can compile workin amarok <Tm_T> <3 <Tm_T> checking arts/artsmodules.h presence... no <Tm_T> humm <Tm_T> what package provides that one? <Tm_T> apt-file returns none <Tm_T> have to install nvidia drivers -> <\sh> Riddell: why is the layout and style of 3.5rc2 in dapper different then in breezy? <Riddell> \sh: no kde-style-lipstik yet <Riddell> and no kubuntu-default-settings <\sh> Riddell: no...even the panel is different... <Riddell> \sh: panel layout is governed kubuntu-default-settings (which won't install because no kde-style-lipstik) <\sh> k <\sh> bbl meeting <freeflying> Riddell: many package need recompile accord to kdelibs4c2a <Riddell> freeflying: yes, they're waiting on cdbs being fixed. also akode has got lost in the archives and kdepim is stuck in NEW for review <Riddell> tvo: I think this one is for you http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20176 <tvo> Riddell: yup, it's one of the bugs I already heard about in #kubuntu-nl. That's why I want to make a separate google suggest searchbar for dapper <tvo> so users can optionally disable the gs bar and (re)enable the normal searchbar <Riddell> should thye be separate? wouldn't just an option to turn off be better? <tvo> well, another option would be to make a bar including features of the "normal" searchbar _and_ gs features <tvo> but I want to get rid of the patch which keeps breaking, so even if it will be 1 multifunctional searchbar, I'd rather fork the old one <Riddell> eventually we should get this into KDE trunk <tvo> yep, that's another reason to clean it up a bit.. <tvo> anyway, I think I'll rewrite the thing for dapper asap <Tm_T> whee <Tm_T> dapper is a mess now :p <Tm_T> do my best to get things working here -> <tvo> heh <Tm_T> hmm, let's see if I can compile kdepim <Tm_T> atleast KDE upgrades messed some of my options <Tm_T> kde related options and settings <Tm_T> uff, and no kmix :o <tvo> I'm on breezy now, last time I tried to upgrade my dapper install debsig segfaulted <tvo> also I'm too lazy to add it to my grub menu.lst, so I can only chroot into it <Tm_T> =) <Tm_T> I have only this dapper <Tm_T> soo... <tvo> hmm, yeah.. <Tm_T> and now amarok doesn't work =) <freeflying> Tm_T: see Riddell's message as above <Tm_T> ehm <Tm_T> let's see if recompile&&install fixes amarok <Tm_T> nah <Tm_T> segmentation fault immediately <Tm_T> full recompile then <freeflying> Tm_T: can you compile amarok now? <Tm_T> yes I can, with xine and gst engines <Tm_T> but amarokapp executable segfaults <Tm_T> yup <Tm_T> nope, can't get it running <Tm_T> and can't install juk <Tm_T> hum hum hum, what I'll use to play music... <Riddell> Tm_T: ogg123 working great for me <Tm_T> Riddell: heh, I use mp3blaster :) <Tm_T> maybe I'm just too used with amaroK and easyness of it <Tm_T> I used to do ~10 albums queue <Tm_T> now I know why people doesn't usually use "bleeding edge" =) <freeflying> Tm_T: me too , now skim on my desktop can not run <Tm_T> heh <Tm_T> if I even try to do anything screensaver related -> kdesktop crashes <freeflying> Riddell: what's the difference between kdelibs4c2 and kdelibs4c2a <Riddell> freeflying: libstdc++ got rebuilt with a new option which means some libraries have a new ABI and are no longer compatible so had to be renamed, kdelibs4c2a is the new one <Riddell> we now need to rebuild all the packages that depend on kdelibs to be built against kdelibs4c2a <Tm_T> hmh, my "extra" hd isn't here <Tm_T> I thought to set up breezy in it <freeflying> Riddell: i recompile skim against kdelibs4c2a, it won't woks <Tm_T> Riddell: ah, so my amarok segfaults might be kdelibs4c2a ABI related issue? <Riddell> Tm_T: it would need to be recompiled <Tm_T> already done twice <Tm_T> I try again with clean mulimedia dir -> <Tm_T> nope <Tm_T> can't get amarok working now at all :p <Tm_T> would someone ping me when juk is installable please, thanks -> <Tm_T> hum, kdesktop crashed: 1, kicker crashed: 5 <Tm_T> :p <Tm_T> hey, no pine in ubuntu?! <Riddell> Tm_T: pine is non-free, it's probably in multiverse <Tm_T> Riddell: heh, not in dapper <Tm_T> dunno about breezy <Tm_T> but I downloaded package from their webpage <Tm_T> errh, so I can't set composite shadow off from one window/app ? <Diablo-D3> Tm_T: you 'can' <Diablo-D3> just probably not with any current compositing tool <Diablo-D3> Riddell: 3.5rc* built packages are in dapper now, btw <Riddell> Diablo-D3: umm, I know, I put them there <Diablo-D3> Riddell: yeah, but didnt you upload those earlier? <Tm_T> Diablo-D3: heh, sad though <Tm_T> so I disabled whole shadow thing <Tm_T> caused more irritation than fun <Diablo-D3> yeah, its a pita <Diablo-D3> its a neat toy, but I want full hardware acceleration <Tm_T> just if I get nvidia working in dapper <Diablo-D3> I mean <Diablo-D3> I HAVE A RADEOn <Diablo-D3> THE ULTIMATE IN RENDERING POWAH! <Diablo-D3> FFFEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAR THE RADEON! * tvo hides <Diablo-D3> DUUUN DUN DUN DUN DUNNNNNN DDDDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH </theme song> <Tm_T> Diablo-D3: calm down <Diablo-D3> Tm_T: you really know how to kill the party, dont you? <Tm_T> yes <Tm_T> hmm, some upgrades, let's see if juk can be installed now <Diablo-D3> juk sucks, use amarok <Diablo-D3> then again, amarok is broken too =/ <Tm_T> and I can compile amaroK just fine, but it segfaults :p <Diablo-D3> lol <Tm_T> so can't use it :p <Diablo-D3> actually, I've been using an experimental player lately <sebas> Diablo-D3: You could send the author an email, stating that his work sucks. douglassanchez@example.org <Diablo-D3> audacious <Diablo-D3> its a fork of the old bmp tree <Tm_T> yhh <Diablo-D3> and the guy behind it fixed the mp3 engine, so it sounds even better than mad <Diablo-D3> mp3s are actually /good sounding/ with this thing <Tm_T> no juk :( <Diablo-D3> Tm_T: if you try out aud, use the svn version <Diablo-D3> I'm trying to add stuff to make it more amarok like, though <Diablo-D3> though I may end up just going ahead and making my own amarok-like media player <Tm_T> :p <Diablo-D3> well, I like the amarok interface <Diablo-D3> I just dont like the internals <Tm_T> heh <Tm_T> ok, where's that app then? <Diablo-D3> http://audacious-media-player.org/ <Diablo-D3> Tm_T: when you build svn, tell me if it compiles for you or not <Tm_T> sure * Diablo-D3 thinks he may have found TEH BUG <Tm_T> X crashed =) <Tm_T> "X caught signal 11" <Tm_T> wheee <Diablo-D3> lol <Diablo-D3> okay, nm, aud builds <Diablo-D3> my local copy was whacked <Diablo-D3> I love how it has a ton of native plugins <Diablo-D3> it can do a bunch of game music formats <Diablo-D3> and does wma now <Tm_T> http://audacious-media-player.org/SVN <- in trunk there there's no audacious-devel directory <Tm_T> uhh <Diablo-D3> er,what? <Diablo-D3> works for me <Tm_T> nothing :p <Tm_T> http://svn.atheme.org/audacious/trunk/ <Tm_T> look there <Diablo-D3> yeah? <Diablo-D3> audacious-devel is the local dir it gets put in -_- <Tm_T> aaah! <Tm_T> sorry * Diablo-D3 is streaming live! http://svn.atheme.org:10000/broadband.ogg.m3u <Riddell> \sh: cdbs compiled. woo <\sh> Riddell: congrats :) I saw your two uploads :) <Riddell> actually that was the 7th upload, but never mind <Tm_T> hum <Tm_T> Riddell: juk is installable soon then? <Riddell> Tm_T: no, that's waiting on akode, goodness knows when that'll get fixed <Tm_T> haha <Tm_T> ok <Tm_T> and uhm, kdemultimedia-dev is the package that is needed to get arts engine in amaroK <Riddell> I might just upload a new akode and see if that fixes everything <Riddell> ooh, elmo says he fixed it <Riddell> and it's in the archives! <Tm_T> :o <Tm_T> that's good? I mean good good? <\sh> Riddell: do u happen to know if anyone is using firebird? <\sh> Riddell: as in database? <\sh> Riddell: especially in combination with hk-classes? <Riddell> \sh: I don't know anyone doing so. qt isn't compiled against firebird since it's in universe <\sh> Riddell: ok well...firebird is only compiled on i386 and not on the other 2 main archs...so I wonder if I should remove the whole firebird support from hk-classes or just not include for amd64 and powerpc <Riddell> \sh: may as well just do it on i386 <\sh> so leave i386 but not the others... <Riddell> yes <Riddell> Build-Depend: firebird [i386] , ... <Tm_T> Diablo-D3: I cant use unsermake to compile it, right? <Diablo-D3> probably not. <Tm_T> I thought so <Tm_T> and make output is mostly unreadable <Tm_T> compared to unsermake output <Diablo-D3> yeah, blame xmms on that <Diablo-D3> xmms has some of the worst make scripts known to man <Diablo-D3> bmp never cleaned them up much, and aud hasnt either. <Diablo-D3> hey Riddell <Diablo-D3> libkcddb1 does compile <Tm_T> AAAH! <Tm_T> I see... gnome file dialog... <Tm_T> hmm, or is it gtk? <Tm_T> anyway, painnnn <Diablo-D3> its whatever you have installed <Diablo-D3> its a gtk app, but gnome regularly takes that over =( <Diablo-D3> I wish they'd put the old dialog back <Diablo-D3> or emulate kde's * Diablo-D3 builds krita. <Diablo-D3> oh wow <Diablo-D3> unsermake has sexy output <Tm_T> yes <Diablo-D3> AND A PERCENTAGE THINGY <\sh> Riddell: forget about this...amd64 is explicit mentioned in firebird2 control file as build target...so something else is wrong <Tm_T> Diablo-D3: one thing, can I change font colours? <Diablo-D3> Tm_T: define font colors <Diablo-D3> if you mean on any skinned dialog, thats up to the winamp theme <Tm_T> hum, default skin, and playlist is almost unreadable <Tm_T> and oh so small mainwindow <Diablo-D3> thats the winamp legacy for you. <Tm_T> yuk <Diablo-D3> no kidding. <Tm_T> I miss my amaroK <Diablo-D3> I miss amarok too =( <Tm_T> hum so I can' control easily playlist font colours? <Tm_T> +t <Tm_T> where's all my fantastic winamp skins! * Tm_T made several awesome skins in his youth <Diablo-D3> heh <Tm_T> and those ar far more usable than this default skin <Tm_T> readable I mean <Diablo-D3> I dont care for the winamp design at all <Tm_T> me neither <Diablo-D3> but, like I said, winamp legacy <Diablo-D3> I could kick the xmms developers for trying to clone winamp <Diablo-D3> /bad idea/ <Tm_T> one thing I don't understand <Tm_T> why I can't use awesome kwin to handle windows?! <Diablo-D3> because bill gates hates you? <Tm_T> I mean audicious ain and playlist window in this case ;) <Diablo-D3> ahh <Diablo-D3> winamp legacy. <Tm_T> hate it <Diablo-D3> I hate how window managers work in X anyhow <Diablo-D3> we have 1383582590823590 window managers, and they all suck. <Diablo-D3> and none of them are built into the server, either. <Tm_T> well, kwin is best I've ever used <Diablo-D3> what we need, is a fully programmable window manager that can fucking do anything <Diablo-D3> any possible imaginable thing, no matter how retarded or totally awesome, should be able to be done. <Riddell> seaLne: fancy hosting the next akademy at strathclyde? <Tm_T> ? <Tm_T> what? where's that? <seaLne> i'd sort of thought about it but i wasn't sure how it would work out as it would need to be during the summer and the aniversary would be after that <seaLne> and the halls of residence are full with pipers for the glasgow piping thing which is at some point in august i think <seaLne> ah 7-13th aug so that rules out the first half of august <seaLne> Riddell: ^ <Riddell> seaLne: before that is fine <Riddell> seaLne: previously we've done it late in august which apparantly is the time americans go back to uni <seaLne> so they can't go? is that what the complaint was about then? <Tm_T> here univs and polytechnics start in late aug and month from that <Riddell> Tm_T: where is here? <Tm_T> strathclyde? <Tm_T> ah <Tm_T> sorry <Tm_T> I mean here in Finland <seaLne> Riddell: is it a case of a proposed venue decides the dates or is the dates decided by "kde" <Riddell> seaLne: venue decides dates * Tm_T is trying to be in aKademy this time <seaLne> not sure how i could arrange ~25k of sponsorship eith <Riddell> seaLne: there are other more expereinced KDE people for doing that sort of thing <Riddell> seaLne: do you know how much strathclyde would charge? <seaLne> no, but they are money grabbers <seaLne> suppose i could ask around <seaLne> i'm not sure if the dept could get away with just booking rooms.... <Riddell> 24 hours a day for 8 days :) <seaLne> there are halls of residence on campus so ~5min from anywhere on campus that it would be held and right next to the city center of course <seaLne> it would be cool for it to be in scotland tho <Riddell> certainly would <Riddell> and glasgow has a good LUG for support <Tm_T> hum, flight to scotland from here... something like 40e usnig ryanair I think <Tm_T> using <Tm_T> anyway, sleep I get -> * Riddell too #kubuntu-devel 2005-12-04 * Diablo-D3 is slowly rebuilding kde. <seth_k> Riddell, where was I supposed to put "rm -f config.sub" and "rm -f config.guess" again? I put them after clean33ec:265c:71fe:e26d:2682:4ec2:aaa1:99ab but that seems to have not worked as intended <Diablo-D3> shouldnt those be after dist-clean? <Diablo-D3> seth_k: Im pretty sure its dist-clean <seth_k> ah <seth_k> http://pastebin.com/441612 <seth_k> Diablo-D3, move them down after the ifneq...endif's? <Diablo-D3> er, what is that? <Diablo-D3> oh! <Diablo-D3> seth_k: I thought you were asking about makefiles <Diablo-D3> seth_k: yeah, they should be apart of the clean rule methinks <Diablo-D3> assuming you actually need to do that at all * Diablo-D3 doesnt do debian packaging, btw * seth_k ponders why the ifneq...endif constructions are even there <Diablo-D3> to recopy the files <seth_k> but I don't want them in there in the first place, do I? <Diablo-D3> yeah, something doesnt make sense there * seth_k twiddles <Diablo-D3> why remove them if you're putting them back <seth_k> indeed <Diablo-D3> unless thats a hack to update the files <seth_k> grumbles for upstream debian packager person :P <seth_k> I'm going to try a build without them <Diablo-D3> I dont know if deb builds implicitly cleans before build from clean source <seth_k> yeah, that worked * Diablo-D3 waits for kdebluetooth to build <allee> seth_k: the config.* handling is nonsense. <allee> seth_k: it maybe even me who introduced it, because the orig version needs to build directly from cvs/svm and from a release tarball. hack, hack, hack <Diablo-D3> hah <Diablo-D3> thought so <Diablo-D3> that sounded very hacky <Diablo-D3> Man, its so much fun having to rebuild kde and lots of things kde depend on <allee> seth_k: nevertheless updating config.* is necessary to build on debian 'excotic' architectures. Just the/my implementation is a bit hackish ;) <Diablo-D3> well, this is good. <Diablo-D3> most of kde builds <Diablo-D3> konq-plugins dont, kde-guidance doesnt <Diablo-D3> adept doesnt <Diablo-D3> akode doesnt <mornfall> adept what? <Diablo-D3> build <Diablo-D3> the dapper package for adept doesnt build <mornfall> what dapper package <mornfall> i don't know anything about dapper package <Diablo-D3> mornfall: are you being dense on purpose? <mornfall> Diablo-D3: can you give version number, maybe? <Diablo-D3> you do realize this is #kubuntu-devel right? <Diablo-D3> where kde for ubuntu development goes on <mornfall> ah sorry, i will go away then <Diablo-D3> mornfall: btw, remind ops in #kde-devel to unban me =( <mornfall> i don't see why <Diablo-D3> because I'm totally awesome =( <mornfall> yeah, you just manage to piss off everyone <mornfall> anyhow, what is with adept again? and package version *would* help... don't forget i wrote the damn thing <Diablo-D3> lol you wrote it? <mornfall> lol yes <Diablo-D3> Version: 1.0 <mornfall> so it wasn't updated since breezy <Diablo-D3> wow, what a useless version number * Diablo-D3 expected like 1.0-ubuntu35820598 <Diablo-D3> mornfall: if I could get firefox to work right, I'd give you the bug # for it <Diablo-D3> its lagging all over the damn place <Diablo-D3> and I cant figure out why <Diablo-D3> er <Diablo-D3> I just did <Diablo-D3> fucking dumbass gtk themes <Diablo-D3> I hope gtk fucking dies <Diablo-D3> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ept/+bug/5108 <mornfall> okey, that's probably because tagcoll was synced to a newer version <Diablo-D3> yay k3b builds <mornfall> s/TAGCOLL1/TAGCOLL/g in all of adept and it could even work <mornfall> an upload to dapper would be welcome (as 1.0.1 eg) <Diablo-D3> well <Diablo-D3> ask, uh, some guy named Peter Rockai to do it ;) <Diablo-D3> mornfall: wait, why are you the maintainer if you cant upload? <mornfall> Diablo-D3: because someone else uploads it for me? :) <Diablo-D3> lol -_- * Diablo-D3 tries katapult now <mornfall> i generally make the package, but fine-tuning is left to whoever does the upload (Riddell, generally) <Diablo-D3> well Riddell went to bed <Diablo-D3> and probably wont be back for another 16 hours or so <mornfall> next adept upload will eventually be 1.88 anyway :) <Diablo-D3> lol <Diablo-D3> why not 1.666 <Diablo-D3> though no one will get the joke =( <mornfall> because 1.88, .89, .90, .91, .92, 2.0 :) <neoncode> Hey, not wanting to intrude or be anoying, but what exacly is this channel for? <Diablo-D3> .92 then 2.0? <Diablo-D3> neoncode: kubuntu development <mornfall> 1.92, obviously <Diablo-D3> mornfall: is that some sick rss joke? <neoncode> Diablo-D3: Ahh ok, i'll just lurk now... <mornfall> not at all <mornfall> coincidence at best <Diablo-D3> mornfall: it needs a 1.666 <Diablo-D3> heheh Im awesome * Diablo-D3 is playing a metallica song on his stream <seth_k> Riddell, kmobiletools is fixed and flying, I'll e-mail you as requested <Tm_T> lovely, amaroK works now :) <Diablo-D3> how boring. <Tm_T> =) <Diablo-D3> man <Diablo-D3> I wish I knew how speechd made /dev/speech <Diablo-D3> because theres no kernel module doing the magic <Diablo-D3> and I cant figure out why its not working <freeflying> Tm_T: you have recompiled amaroK ? <Tm_T> freeflying: after new packages I installed (doing apt-get build-dep amarok) I did svn up & unsermake ofcourse :) <freeflying> Tm_T: :) <Tm_T> I have nice script I made to do svn up and if there's something new, do the rest is needed :p <freeflying> Tm_T: share your scripts <Tm_T> uh <Tm_T> hey look, moose! ->>> <Tm_T> ;-P <Tm_T> ok, I try to upload it somewhere <Tm_T> freeflying: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/temp/svn-amarok.txt <Tm_T> simple, not beauty but works here <freeflying> Tm_T: let me have a try <Tm_T> heh, you need working svn amarok sources to use that ;) <Tm_T> and modify it, I don't think you like it the way it is now <freeflying> Tm_T: it install directly after conpileing <Tm_T> yes <freeflying> Tm_T: wh not use checkinstall <Tm_T> tested it couple times, doesn't like it <Tm_T> and I do update&&install amarok ~10 times a day <Tm_T> no real benefits to me <freeflying> Tm_T: :) <Hobbsee> Riddell: any chance we are going to get kde-devel working on kde3.5 soon? <Hobbsee> Riddell: here's the error for it - broken packages: http://pastebin.com/442030 <Riddell> Hobbsee: i386 or amd64? <Hobbsee> Riddell: i386 <Riddell> Hobbsee: breezy or dapper? <Hobbsee> Riddell: breezy <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you want to see my sources.list? there's no non-standard repos apart from the kubuntu one <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes please <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/442111 <Riddell> Hobbsee: looking into it <Hobbsee> cool thanks :) <Hobbsee> i need those files! <Riddell> viviersf: did you see the south african story I posted to the dot? <Riddell> viviersf: I wonder where they got all those languages for KDE from <viviersf> huh raphink <viviersf> * huh Riddell <viviersf> url ? <Riddell> viviersf: dot.kde.org <viviersf> ok witch one ? <viviersf> the terminals ? <Riddell> yes <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm no expert, but it looks like the kdebase is depending on differently named files, so is the solution just to change the dependancies of kdebase to be version 4:3.5.0-0ubuntu0breezy1 instead of 4:3.5.0-0ubuntu1? Or is my brain massively confused, that I should go to bed? <Riddell> Hobbsee: for some reason I hadn't reversioned the amd64 kdebase packages to ubuntu0breezy1 <Hobbsee> Riddell: but this is i386.... <Riddell> so for kdebase metapackages (which is architecture independant) it was picking up that wrong version <Hobbsee> ah ok... <Riddell> and expecting all the rest of kdebase packages to have the same number <Riddell> so good thing you tested really <Hobbsee> yep <Hobbsee> :) <Hobbsee> when will there be a fix? <Riddell> I'm about to upload <Hobbsee> ok, excellent <Hobbsee> that means that i can either go on compiling tonight or tomorrow <Riddell> what are you compiling? <Hobbsee> well, exploring firefox built on a qt engine, to see how it is <freeflying> Hobbsee: firefox built on qt ? <Hobbsee> firefox 1.5 rc3 <Hobbsee> yes <freeflying> Hobbsee: sound's great <Riddell> cool <Hobbsee> freeflying: :) i think so too, should be interesting <freeflying> Hobbsee: y <Hobbsee> freeflying: you clearly dont know me well enough if you're asking that - because i can, is more the answer, which is also the answer to why this machine is a tripple boot lol <freeflying> :) <Hobbsee> freeflying: i'm kinda looking forward to seeing how this works out <raphink> Riddell: are you there? <Riddell> rap hi <Riddell> raphink: hi <raphink> hi Riddell <raphink> there's a pb with kdm in rc2 Riddell <Riddell> raphink: what's that? <raphink> in kdebase debian/control, kdm is set to depend on kubuntu-default-settings <raphink> that's a bit weird imho <raphink> all the more that kubuntu-default-settings depends on amarok, adept and others <raphink> so that it's not possible to install kdm without these apps <raphink> or even to install kdm without kubuntu <raphink> I understand that kubuntu might depend on kdm <Riddell> raphink: kubuntu-default-settings only depends on kde-style-lipstik <raphink> hmm <Riddell> raphink: kdm needs it for the kdm theme, I can't think of an easy way around it <raphink> well I couldn't install kdm <raphink> because kubuntu packages coiuld not be installed <raphink> Riddell: well I don't think kdm needs a kdm theme <raphink> I mean <raphink> kubuntu metapackages can replace the kdm theme <raphink> and kdm can still install with another them <raphink> can't it? <raphink> s/them/theme/ <raphink> we talked about it with mornfall and both found it funny that a basic deamon such a kdm would depend on a metapackage such as kubuntu-default-settings <Riddell> kubuntu-default-settings isa not a metapackage, kubuntu-desktop is the metapackage <raphink> hmmm <raphink> well ok <raphink> still kubuntu-default-settings won't install on dapper <raphink> at least on my comp <raphink> so that upgrading to dapper I found myself with no kdm <Riddell> kdmrc has to point to the theme files and if it doesn't find the theme files it complains loudly <Riddell> kubuntu-default-settings is just waiting on kde-style-lipstik which I'll try and sort today <raphink> why don't you replace use a dpkg-divert in kubuntu-default-settings instead? <Riddell> dpkg-divert on a config file is a bit scary <raphink> hmm ok <Riddell> possibly a postinstall script to set the theme in kdmrc is the way <raphink> well some packages propose to replace config files <raphink> mhm <raphink> I mean it's a bit scary to have kdm depend on kubuntu-something, too imho <raphink> some people use ubuntu with kde <Riddell> raphink: write me a postinstall script and I'll use that too :) <raphink> without using the kubuntu packages <raphink> hehe ;) <raphink> heh <raphink> just reporting ;) <raphink> I had a pb with kdelibs4c2a too <Riddell> what's that? <raphink> had to run a series of dist-upgrade and -f install to upgrade to dapper <raphink> because kdelibs4c2a would install after other packages, that needed it configured to install <raphink> or so it seemed <raphink> ;) <Hobbsee> raphink: ah yes, i vaguely remember having to do that <raphink> :) <raphink> currently I'm building kdm without the kubuntu-default-settings dependency for my system so I can have a login screen :) <raphink> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12 doesn't build :( <freeflying> i've recompile kaffeine against kdelibs4c2a,but it won't work <raphink> :( <raphink> linux-restricted-modules pretends the Qt environment is incomplete o_O <freeflying> after upgrade to kde3.5 ,many package dosen't work <raphink> yes <raphink> so far, I had to switch back to ati instead of fglrx, rebuild amarok, kdm, baghira <raphink> and others <raphink> moodin too <raphink> amarok 1.3.5, kwin-baghira and ksplash-engine-moodin built and installed fine <raphink> but they wouldn't install with the binaries <freeflying> maybe I shall not use dapper now :) <raphink> hehe <freeflying> Riddell: how about the qt-immodule patch for qt <raphink> oh my search engines in konqueror are gone :( <Hobbsee> hehe freeflying <freeflying> raphink: kat? <raphink> no <raphink> the internet search engines on the right <freeflying> raphink: we have a local search : pycds.sf.net <raphink> ? <freeflying> raphink: it do more faster then beagle under gnome <raphink> mhm :) <raphink> how about tenor? <freeflying> raphink: index -> search <raphink> hmmm <raphink> thing is that I see nothing on your page freeflying :p <freeflying> raphink: have not website now <raphink> then why do you give me the website url? <raphink> ;) <freeflying> raphink: it's writen by a member of our ubuntu-cn team <raphink> nice <freeflying> raphink: and it will have qt or kde fronted <raphink> :) <Hobbsee> Riddell: i need to go sleep, but i'll check that kdebase thing tomorrow, and tell you if it's working or not <raphink> :) <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's not fixed as yet, ie, i still get the same error as before (having run an apt-get update) <raphink> ooo I have to rebuild all my packages with kde 3.5 :s <raphink> since they built on kdelibs4c2 ;) <raphink> well required kdelibs4c2 I mean :s <raphink> Riddell: I see what you meant now <raphink> kdm is set to use the kubuntu theme so it has to be installed <freeflying> raphink: after all , you can use kde without kdm <raphink> it's not the kubuntu-default-settings package the sets kdm to use this theme, but kdm itself that is set to use it with a patch, right? <raphink> and I don't see why, if an ubuntu user wants to use kdm, he should have to install kubuntu packages <raphink> brb <freeflying> raphink: kdm may be installed without kubuntu-desktop <raphink> yes <raphink> but not without kubunt-default-settings <raphink> s/kubunt-/kubuntu-/ <raphink> I wonder if kubuntu-default-settings could not propose to override kdmrc <raphink> so that kdm would keep its default settings <raphink> and kubuntu-default-settings would override it to tune it if installed <raphink> Riddell doesn't seem to like the idea of a dpkg-divert in kubuntu-default-settings <raphink> so I'm wondering, how is it set when packages ask you if you want to keep/replace config files when new config files are proposed by a pacakge? <Riddell> raphink: that's if the file is marked as a config file in the .deb <Riddell> which most files in /etc are <raphink> mhm <raphink> then couldn't kubuntu-default-settings just propose a new kdmrc ? <Riddell> but if we dpkg-divert kdmrc and someone has edited that kdmrc (including making security changes) those edits will suddenly be lost <Riddell> I think a script is the right way to doit <raphink> just wondering <raphink> hmm <raphink> in what package ? <raphink> kdm or kubuntu-desktop? <freeflying> raphink: i don't think replace user's kdmrc a good idea <raphink> mhm <raphink> freeflying: how do you think the kdm tuning should be set? <Riddell> I think a postinstall/prerm script is the way forwards <freeflying> raphink: I agree with Riddell <raphink> in what package Riddell ? <raphink> kdm or kubuntu-default-settings? <Riddell> raphink: kubuntu-default-settings, to add the theme line to kdmrc <raphink> so you mean a script that would sed the theme settings ? <raphink> in kdmrc <raphink> that might be the cleanest way <freeflying> Riddell: how about the one just want to kdm instead of kde <freeflying> Riddell: how about the one just want to use kdm instead of kde <raphink> freeflying: what do you mean? <raphink> freeflying: I also know people who install kde in ubuntu without using the kubuntu packages <freeflying> raphink: if some use icewm and he/she want use kdm <raphink> mhm <freeflying> raphink: will they install kubuntu-default-settings? <raphink> that's why I think it shouldn't depend on kubuntu-default-settings <raphink> so dealing with it with a postinstall/prerm would allow to get rid of kubuntu-default-settings <raphink> since kdm would use its default theme <raphink> and kubuntu-default-settings would override the config <raphink> but then I wonder if kubuntu-default-settings needs to depend on kdm o_O <Riddell> ** KDE 3.5 released http://dot.kde.org/1133270759/ ** <raphink> because then if kdm is installed _after_ kubuntu-default_settings <freeflying> raphink: kdm need not the theme of kubuntu <raphink> yes freeflying <raphink> I totally agree <raphink> _but_ <freeflying> Riddell: how about this <raphink> if you installed kubuntu-default-settings, you want to use the kubuntu theme <freeflying> raphink: that can be done by kubuntu-default-settings after installing <raphink> but if kubuntu-default-settings uses a postinstall/prerm script, then installing kdm _after_ kubuntu-default-settings will override the kubuntu theme I guess <raphink> or will it propose to keep it? <raphink> you don't understand what I mean freeflying <freeflying> raphink: you can not install after kubuntu-default-settings <raphink> I mean if kdm is installed _after_ kubuntu-default-settings <raphink> since kubuntu-default-settings doesnt depend on kdm <raphink> why so freeflying ? <raphink> why couldn't I install after kubuntu-default-settings? <Riddell> so we need a postinall script for kdm as well, if kubuntu-default-settings is already installed, then use the theme. how complex <raphink> Riddell: I'm not sure <freeflying> raphink: kdm depend on kubuntu-default-settings <raphink> if kdmrc is already present and the kdm package wants to install it again, it will prompt the user and default choice will be to keep the existing file, which will have been set by kubuntu-default-settings <raphink> right? <freeflying> so now ,in dapper you will not install kdm without kubuntu-default-settings <freeflying> raphink: sure <raphink> freeflying: yes that's how it is now, but it shouldn't be so <freeflying> yeah <raphink> this is how I see it : <raphink> 1) if kdm is installed before kubuntu-default-settings, then kubuntu-default-settings will modify kdmrc to set it to the kubuntu-theme using sed. That works fine and requires no dependency on either side <freeflying> and the gdm is same as kdm <raphink> 2) if kubuntu-desktop-settings is installed before kdm, then it creates kdmrc (?) and kdm will ask the user if he wants to replace kdmrc when installing kdm, or keep the version installed by kubuntu-default-settings <raphink> would that work Riddell ? <raphink> if that works, then the postinstall just needs to : <raphink> 1) test if kdmrc exists. if it's the case, then sed the theme lines, if not then install one. <raphink> and there's no 2) huhu <freeflying> raphink: how about use kubuntu theme replace the default kdm theme <raphink> freeflying: isn't this what I proposed ? <freeflying>
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