#ubuntu-beginners 2010-07-01 <zkriesse> hey Phrea <Phrea> sorry, I had to try something :) <Phrea> 'lo zkriesse <Math932903> zkriesse: I found a way to have the volume icon and clicked on "sound preferences" from there but it gives me the same dialog as before <zkriesse> Math932903: hmm <zkriesse> Math932903: ok post your question in here again....i've got many projects so i'm in and out intermittently <Math932903> zkriesse: basically, I have a sound issue with flash videos <Math932903> sound works fine with everything else, so I looked about and there are tons of different ways people have fixed the issue <Math932903> I tried many but to no avail <Math932903> I found this one http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=973637 and it seemed too good to be true so I wanted to try it out but I can't find the stuff that guy talks about <Math932903> I have the latest flash plugin, but it may bind to the wrong sound interface <Math932903> zkriesse: nevermind, I'm just tired of this issue. it's been there for months, I spent countless hours trying to fix this problem, I guess I'll just reboot in winxp and forget about playing flash videos under ubuntu <zkriesse> Math932903: stick around <zkriesse> i'm sure there's someone who can <Math932903> I tried so many things <zkriesse> Math932903: ok well just wait. <zkriesse> i'm sure we can get it working <zkriesse> patience is key <Math932903> zkriesse: alright <Math932903> zkriesse: thanks for your time, my patience is out <Math932903> in another life maybe! <win_2_linux> what is the difference between ubuntu software center and the synaptic package manager <pedro3005> synpatic is more detailed and advanced, I suppose <pedro3005> the software center is simple and easier to use <ibuclaw> software centre makes it possible to break your system without adequate prevention. >:) <yvan300> can anyone help me out? <yvan300> anyone know how to install wifi drivers without using the hardware driver interface? <win_2_linux> thanks for the definition between software center and synaptic <win_2_linux> can you really damage your computer using software center <stlsaint> win_2_linux: improperly maybe yes <win_2_linux> oh i'll use synaptic then <stlsaint> win_2_linux: even synaptic can be damaging <stlsaint> if used improperly :D <win_2_linux> then whats the safest apt-get aptitude? <stlsaint> nothing is safe if used improperly =D <yvan300> can you guys helpe me with my wireless problem? <pedro3005> win_2_linux, just be sensible and nothing will happen <stlsaint> pedro3005: hehe <pedro3005> any damage caused with apt-get is likely to be an easy fix <stlsaint> meh, may have a few broken dependencies or packages...nothing serious <pedro3005> yvan300, which wifi driver? <yvan300> pedro3005 well, i'm not really sure, usually i would just use the hardware driver interface for ubuntu, but since i don't have internet atm, i want to know if i could download the driver froma another pc and install it manually offline. <pedro3005> yvan300, well, I believe Hardware Drivers also detects which driver you need, so to install manually the first step would be figuring out that <ibuclaw> stlsaint, idk ... I managed to cause a wee bit of breakage with software center rather easily. ;) <yvan300> ok, atm i have windows on my laptop...... so therotically, if i knew what the driver was, what then? <ibuclaw> removing one of the gnome card games, for instance, broke the package manager because every other gnome game depended on it. But it was still removed anyway without any error checking. <pedro3005> yvan300, find it here http://packages.ubuntu.com/ <stlsaint> ibuclaw: lol...tsk tsk....see if used improperly! :D <stlsaint> ibuclaw: tbh honest i have barely used software center for anything <ibuclaw> I probably say this for every application that just so happens to be programmed in python, but... <ibuclaw> software center is slow for it's task. <ibuclaw> I have even said this for command-not-found too... <stlsaint> THIS IS WHAT I GET FOR USING SOMETHING NOT IN THE REPOS!!!!!! <stlsaint> http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/4938/windowsbs.png <stlsaint> i got that message via skype out of nowhere!!! <stlsaint> duanedesign: ^^ <stlsaint> ibuclaw: ^^^ <stlsaint> pedro3005: ^^ <pedro3005> lolwut? <stlsaint> pedro3005: you see the screenshot? <pedro3005> yes <stlsaint> Yea i dont even have not one windows install on my system <stlsaint> i even removed the recovery partition of my harddrive to give space to ubuntu!!!! <stlsaint> GGGRRRRRAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH <ibuclaw> stlsaint, it's the multiverse ... what did you expect? <ibuclaw> *and* - you are using non-free software <stlsaint> ibuclaw: thats the key <stlsaint> non-free <stlsaint> i never used it before until a close friend just deployed overseas so i got skype! i just installed it yesterday and i regret it already! <stlsaint> these scare tactics are just pathetic...i mean cmon, they could at least implement some way to scan the system and get a os fingerprint as in nmap!!! or something!! <stlsaint> well im out folks...night <yvan300> pedro3005 ok , so this is the driver i need to download http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/broadcom-sta-common <yvan300> just wondering if the recommends are important <yvan300> ? <pedro3005> yvan300, what recommends? <yvan300> on, the site, they give you a link to the driver, and also have 2 other packages that they recommend, one is the source and the other is a tool for easier creation of module packages <pedro3005> yvan300, no need to get them <yvan300> ah cool, thanks pedro3005 <nUboon2Age> yvan300: if that tool was fwcutter you'll probably need the recommends. <yvan300> nUboon2Age the driver provided with fwcutter, is a bit buggy, i get a lot of dropped connections <nUboon2Age> yvan300: never mind i looked at it and its something else.. <nUboon2Age> yvan300: ah, i got you.. <yvan300> but anyways everyone, i'm off to install ubuntu, see ya all in 15 minutes <nUboon2Age> yvan300: btw, what adapter is it? <yvan300> well, don't know off hand, broadcom somthing....... <nUboon2Age> yvan300: sorry, i see your off... hope to hear good things soon... <yvan300> :) <Anarai> Hi; I just wanted to know how do I deactivate a video driver if this video driver doesn't work well on my pc. Last time I try to activate an NVIDIA driver, X failed to start <Anarai> How to unactivate nvidia drivers? <nUboon2Age> !nvidia | Anarai -- this may give some help (I don't have an nVidia card so i don't have experience that could help you) <ubot2> Anarai -- this may give some help (I don't have an nVidia card so i don't have experience that could help you): For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto <Anarai> thanx <Anarai> i'll check <nUboon2Age> Anarai: did you check the forums? I've seen a lot of discussion there about nVidia drivers. Also i know there nVidia has a linux support forum web site. <nUboon2Age> so ubuntuforums.org and lets see if i can find the nvidia one... <Anarai> I tried to activate the drivers that "hardware drivers" recomends <nUboon2Age> nvnews.net -- and maybe someone else here knows more... <nUboon2Age> i see there's also #nvidia irc chat... <nUboon2Age> Anarai: so what happens when you try to activate the drivers? <Anarai> after I reboot X wont start and get me to the prompt <nUboon2Age> Anarai: so you end up at the shell prompt? <Anarai> yes <nUboon2Age> Anarai: i'm not sure what your course of action should be, but i should point out that if you get stuck like that you may be able to get many things fixed by booting from a liveCD. <nUboon2Age> Anarai: probably even before that point, you'll be able to just log in and change a configuration file to get you back to where you can boot into the gdm again... <nUboon2Age> Anarai: but i don't know which are the relevant configuration files... <Anarai> Iá¸¿ running ubuntu studio. can I use the regular ubuntu live cd to correct the problem? <nUboon2Age> Anarai: the page i mentioned above gives some instructions on the Xorg.conf file. <Anarai> Yes; i was reading it... <nUboon2Age> Anarai: yes, the regular ubuntu disk would work. I think you may be able to just log in and go to edit the Xorg.conf file to comment out the driver you just installed and then reboot and go from there (just a quick guess, not for sure)... <Anarai> I think I tried that... unsuccessfully... <nUboon2Age> geirha: duanedesign: kermiac: nhandler: are any of you familiar with Xorg.conf and nVidia drivers? Anarai has questions... <nUboon2Age> holstein: collinp ^^^ <Anarai> thanx for the help. I will try a few things... b back later... <kermiac> hey nUboon2Age, what's up mate? <nUboon2Age> kermiac: well you might have seen my post that my system is working again thanks to you all in the Beginners team (ddecator being especially noteworthy) <nUboon2Age> kermiac: i ended up going without the i915.modeset=0 setting and just having it say splash. <nUboon2Age> kermiac: i want to try something... i'm trying to publish a file via Ubuntu One, could you try to get it at http://ubuntuone.com/p/8Ro/ <kermiac> glad to hear you got it working nUboon2Age :) <kermiac> ok, looking now <kermiac> nUboon2Age: I got BeginUbuntu.rtf - the file opened ok. what about it? <nUboon2Age> hmmm... i just tried opening it and somehow the formatting got messed up.. but the first thing was just to see if others could get and open it... <kermiac> nUboon2Age: yeah, the formatting doesn't look right - but it opened in office 2007 (via crossover) on my work pc so I thought it the formatting issue may have been caused by ms office & crossover <kermiac> nUboon2Age: the formatting looked a bit better using open office :) <nUboon2Age> kermiac: in open office on my machine (which is where/how it got created(!)) the line about * select 'Try Ubuntu...' is in 40 point instead of the 12 point its supposed to be in. Is that the same for you? <nUboon2Age> I keep saving a new version w/o that and hopefully it will sync up soon and the problem will be solved... <nUboon2Age> kermiac: i discovered the hard way that OpenOffice seems to have a bug (at least saving in rtf) where the point size can get messed up... <kermiac> nUboon2Age: in ms office the "Try Ubuntu" line is in 12point, in openoffice it is 40 point - very strange <ddecator> nUboon2Age: you are pro at finding random bugs that don't seem to affect many people.. <win_2_linux> nuboon2age so you got your other problem repaired? * kermiac waves at ddecator <kermiac> hey there Dray :) * ddecator waves at kermiac <ddecator> hey Mitch :) <kermiac> nUboon2Age: that rtf in m$ office - http://imgbin.org/images/1976.png The same rtf in openoffice - http://imgbin.org/images/1977.png <kermiac> neither seems right * kermiac is getting called away, BBS <nUboon2Age> ddecator: ha, that's funny. :) just got your message... <nUboon2Age> win_2_linux: yes, i got it working and posted about it... at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1519312 <nUboon2Age> win_2_linux: what is your blog url again? <win_2_linux> www.linuxfromwin.wordpress.com <nUboon2Age> win_2_linux: pretty cool, i'll show it to my gf who's on the verge. <win_2_linux> i just started it the other day, three postings on my impressions but it has pictures LOL <nUboon2Age> kermiac: wow, that's different even than what I'm getting. <nUboon2Age> win_2_linux: i like nixie pixel's stuff too. :) <nUboon2Age> ddecator: i give you extra credit for sticking w/ me so late/early the other night. i hope my/your experience w/ this will come in handy for others in future... <ddecator> nUboon2Age: oh i'm sure it will :) <kermiac> nUboon2Age: any reason you're using rtf instead of odt? also, what version of open office are you using? <kermiac> nUboon2Age: I'm using open office 3.2 (lucid standard version) & I can save the 'Try Ubuntu' line in 12point <win_2_linux> yea of all the vids i've watched on linux she's the one who explained it plainly as if she was having a conversation with you <win_2_linux> nUboon yours will when I get to the chapter of UBUNTU IRC CHANNEL HELPS DESPERATE FRUSTRATED UBUNTU USER SOLVE HIS PROBLEM lol <nUboon2Age> kermiac: i think i'm going to move to a different computer/nick... hang on... <nUboon2Age> win_2_linux: oh yeah! <win_2_linux> title pending of course <win_2_linux> thats just a rough draft lol <win_2_linux> as I learn and discover things it'll go on my blog <win_2_linux> so tell me, Uboon where r you from what city, town, country <win_2_linux> NY here <win_2_linux> and what do you like about linux and why'd you make the switch? <newboon2age_> kermiac: i want to be able to share it w/ Windoze users who haven't started using OpenOffice yet so i figure .rtf is less objectionable than .doc . <win_2_linux> actually .doc would be better since a lot of windows user do have word <win_2_linux> or word viewr <win_2_linux> viewer and openoffice does have a windows version <win_2_linux> wordperfect used to have a linux version but they have discontinued it for some reason <kermiac> newboon2age_: fair enough. but also, as win_2_linux says - .doc is a widely accepted format too. I was just curious :) <kermiac> newboon2age_: what version of openoffice are you creating that rtf in? <newboon2age_> kermiac: i actually created it on the same version of OO that you're looking at it on. Even on the same machine i had different results from when i first saved it to closing OO, double clicking the file and looking at it again. although, after i fixed it that time that took care of most of the errors. Also OO seemed to save to .doc okay. <newboon2age_> kermiac: that's the one from Lucid... <kermiac> newboon2age_: ok, that's strange. I don't really work with .rtf's so I haven't noticed that issue before. I usually save in either .odt or .doc <newboon2age_> kermiac: win_2_linux: the way i see it, using .doc keeps people stuck in the m$ world. <win_2_linux> yes but if they're in the windows world already why not make it easier on them and just give them .doc since they probably use word anyway :) * win_2_linux doesn't think anyone uses rtf anymore that was sooo win3.11 or so <newboon2age_> kermiac: win_2_linux: ooo i just tried to retrieve the file again from another computer (Kubuntu) and it said 'receiving corrupt data' . I'm guessing its UbuntuOne syncing, but that's a bummer. <kermiac> newboon2age_: I see your point, but I'm not really sure that I agree... .doc is fairly widely accepted & is easily opened in openoffice <newboon2age_> win_2_linux: but its totally open. I don't think there's another widely available open file format like it. <win_2_linux> now may I suggesst instead of using Ubuntu one--very expensive for 50 gig--you may wont to use safecopybackup which gives you 3 gig for free and 200 gig for $50 for the year <newboon2age_> kermiac: m$ continues to break .doc each time they rev it to keep everyone feeding at the m$ trough. <win_2_linux> ok may I suggest .txt then thats universal or even .html <kermiac> newboon2age_: than why not use .odt? <newboon2age_> win_2_linux: i'll check it out. I'm not stuck on UbuntuOne, but i'm trying to use all the Ubuntu Lucid features so i can help others with them. The old 'eat your own dogfood' thing... <kermiac> newboon2age_: I just re-deownloaded the .rtf - the formatting looks better now <newboon2age_> kermiac: gf has Word. Doesn't open .odt that i know of. <win_2_linux> i understand, but safecopybackup doesn't just cater to ms <win_2_linux> or windows its for everyone <newboon2age_> win_2_linux: that's cool. <win_2_linux> yeah I've been meaning to question why manufacturers don't throw in linux with their windows and mac things <kermiac> newboon2age_: there's an odt plugin for ms office - http://www.windowsreference.com/ms-office/how-to-open-odt-files-in-microsoft-word-20072003/ <win_2_linux> since mac uses the unix kernel anyway <newboon2age_> kermiac: you're able to get it before i can. It could be a Konqueror error i suppose... <win_2_linux> so newboon2age what is your gfs beef with linux or Ubuntu <newboon2age_> kermiac: that's great to know. That will help my gf for sure. Thanks!!! <kermiac> newboon2age_: possibly, I know IE is having issues with U1 public urls, I don't know about Konqueror * win_2_linux finds openoffice is just as easy to use and does about everything he used word for <kermiac> newboon2age_: np, that plugin helped people at work during our transition to linux <win_2_linux> ie crashes alot <newboon2age_> kermiac: wow, you're whole office migrated??? Let's hear more about that. Inspiring! <kermiac> newboon2age_: actually, all of the offices australia wide are now running a customised Ubuntu SOE now :) <kermiac> we just recently finished upgrading everyone to our new 10.04 image <win_2_linux> so MS lost its Australian market <win_2_linux> what happened? <win_2_linux> so here's a questtion I should pose in all the linux channels <win_2_linux> if Ms suddenly gave windows for free, and said we could put it on as many machines we ihodge@example.net you ditch linux for windows <newboon2age_> kermiac: which company is that? or are you talking all companies in Au? <kermiac> win_2_linux: not yet, there are still plenty of other companies in Australia running windows. But the company I work for are all linux based now. It was relatively easy to convince management though. They were faced with the prospect of changing to linux or paying for for all new licenses as they were still using win 2000 <kermiac> newboon2age_: it's one company - i wont spam the name of it here, I can PM you a link to the company website if you waqnt though <newboon2age_> kermiac: yes please... <kermiac> win_2_linux: absolutely not! the monetary cost is not the only reason why i do not use windows - I like to be able to modify whatever i want in my OS <newboon2age_> kermiac: opened a query w/ you <win_2_linux> i think thats what ms is afraid of, that someone would be able to take their os, and make so much better, no crashes, build it totally different instead of the nerds there, and they can't handle that <win_2_linux> in fact from what I read-could just be rumor or fantasy-that ms is threatened by Linux <win_2_linux> and ibm is threatened by open source <newboon2age_> win_2_linux: in a sec i'll come back and answer your question... <newboon2age_> kermiac: which distro did your company use? <kermiac> we are now running Ubuntu 10.04... we've been running Ubuntu on almost all our internal desktops & laptops internally since 9.04 <newboon2age_> kermiac: heck if your company has a PR person they could write an article about it and we could push it. <newboon2age_> kermiac: not having to run ihodge@example.net... that is so fantastic. I can't tell you how great that would be. <win_2_linux> every windows machine on any company I worked for had to be rebooted two three times aday if used during busy times...not very productive and annoying <newboon2age_> win_2_linux: please see pm <newboon2age_> win_2_linux: did you see my query? <kermiac> ok, time to leave work & head home... BBL <newboon2age_> kermiac: i emailed you some text as a start for an article... have fun with it. <newboon2age_> kermiac: gnite <kermiac> ok, thanks newboon2age_ ttyl :) <pombreda> hwody : on 8.04 server lts : sudo fsck.ext3 /dev/sdb1 e2fsck 1.40.8 (13-Mar-2008) e2fsck: Superblock invalid, trying backup blocks... e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdb1 ... <pombreda> :| <pombreda> what can I do to get that fs back in shape? <pombreda> the server was rebootedd after the raid card crashed <pombreda> this is an 8TB ext3 filesystem <Silver_Fox_> pombreda, Hello <pombreda> howdy <Silver_Fox_> I would try the options presented by bumanie here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6116065&postcount=4 <pombreda> Silver_Fox_: I am a moron sdb1 is the swap :D <pombreda> thx! <pombreda> or rather sounds like the sdxx numbers did change with the reboot <Silver_Fox_> Okay <pombreda> it used to be /dev/sdb1 and is now /dev/sdd1 :/ <pombreda> how can this happen? <Silver_Fox_> I'm not sure to be honest. * Silver_Fox_ is researching <pombreda> Silver_Fox_: my df, fdisk and fstab output: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/wRgapL1uSzoBqDdcjn0g/ <Silver_Fox_> pombreda, Query - have you also started a thread on ubuntu forums yet? If not I would advise you to so. <Silver_Fox_> *to do so <pombreda> Silver_Fox_: thx <pombreda> will do <lukjad> Silver_Fox_ ! <lukjad> Silver_Fox_ How are you? :D <Silver_Fox_> I've been better, but that is not important. How are you lukjad ? <lukjad> Silver_Fox_ Going to the dentist :( <lukjad> Other than that... <Silver_Fox_> Welcome back pombreda . <Silver_Fox_> Other than that how are you lukjad ? <lukjad> Silver_Fox_ Good, good <lukjad> Heading out the door <pombreda> Silver_Fox_: got it all figured out. Not sure why the /dev/device number changed, but I updated my fstab to use the more stable UUID :P <lukjad> Toodles <pombreda> Silver_Fox_: fsck.exxt3 got the fs fixed allright :P <Silver_Fox_> Good pombreda <Silver_Fox_> I have no idea why the device number changed <Silver_Fox_> Really odd <Silver_Fox_> See you lukjad <pombreda> Silver_Fox_: neither do i, but UUID should be safe. I got my 8 missing terabytes back <Silver_Fox_> Oh my word, 8TB... <duanedesign> hello Silver_Fox_ <Silver_Fox_> Hello duanedesign <Silver_Fox_> How are the fingers? :) <philinux> What up with forums today? <Silver_Fox_> Spring cleaning <Silver_Fox_> >:) <Silver_Fox_> And a tornado :) <philinux> Something up, nor new posts. I can't post a new thread but can edit old ones. <Silver_Fox_> Indeed, I expect the issue is known and the right people told about it philinux . <Silver_Fox_> I would like to think that it is being looked into <philinux> I'm on the staff but not an admin. <philinux> I was hoping and admin was in here. <Silver_Fox_> No, no admin is here at the moment, the only one who visits is bodhi and he is not always around. <Silver_Fox_> jdong is usually in #ubuntuforums philinux , though I imagine he would also be in the ubuntu forums staff channel also <philinux> I'm in the staff channel too, first place I went but no admins on :O <Silver_Fox_> I've just checked philinux, jdong is in #ubuntuforums channel <philinux> Cheers just joined <Silver_Fox_> No worries philinux . <sjshaw361> I just tried Ubuntu 10.04 using a boot disc and using the trial option <sjshaw361> I choose the boot menu and then from CD <sjshaw361> Ubuntu loaded fine <sjshaw361> When I was done I closed out <sjshaw361> It shut down and then I got the following error repeating on my screen "[ 578.9719203] end_request: i/o error, dev sr0, sector 503872" <sjshaw361> Now, my XP won't load <sjshaw361> ... HELP <sjshaw361> Putting it all in one message... I just tried Ubuntu 10.04 using a boot disc and using the trial option. I choose the boot menu and then from CD. Ubuntu loaded fine. When I was done I closed out. It shut down and then I got the following error repeating on my screen "[ 578.9719203] end_request: i/o error, dev sr0, sector 503872". Now, my XP won't load. My computer starts, I get the Windows XP screen, but nothing happens. It doesn't even sound a <philinux> sjshaw, Try a complete pc shutdown leave it 10 seconds and then do a cold restart <sjshaw361> philinux, I did that. it sat over night shut down and then I tried it this morning... nothing <philinux> Very odd those sr0 error messages spam my screen when i shut down from the livecd but dont cause a problem. Try the live cd again and see if you can see the data on your hard drive <sjshaw361> philinux, I can get into Safe Mode, and ran chkdsk, but I still can't get into XP normally. <philinux> Sounds like xp didn't shut down properly then. <sjshaw361> How can I fix that then? <philinux> Did chkdsk run ok, no errors? <sjshaw361> Yeah <apparatus> Hey. So I'm in front of a rather stupid problem right now. I want to install Warcraft 3 on my 10.04 system but since the installer on the disc isn't an executable I can't open it. So I'd like to make it executable by chmod +x but I don't know how to access the drive as writing 'cd /media/Warcraft III' (or /dev/sr0) in the terminal didn't quite work out. <zkriesse> apparatus: wine <philinux> There is the mega thread, the forums are down for posting but accessible, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=579378 <apparatus> Yea, I got wine, however the installer for warcraft is not accessible as it is not markes as an executable so I gotta make it an executable. <apparatus> I'll try to copy the contents of the drive and see if that works out. <hobgoblin> evening <hobgoblin> welcome ikonia <zkriesse> hey hobgoblin <zkriesse> and welcome ikonia <hobgoblin> evening zkriesse - surprised there's not more going on in here tonight with the forum down <philinux> Beer o'clock for me soon <hobgoblin> still lurking then philinux <philinux> No moderating to do :O <philinux> This xchat is marvellous <hobgoblin> woohoo :) it has been a peaceful few hours <hobgoblin> I prefer ti to the terminal type clients - though I do use weechat from time to time if I'm stuck <philinux> Got it setup nicely, even got sound alerts <hobgoblin> philinux: is that xchat or the gnome-xchat <hobgoblin> I SOON turned those off :) <philinux> xchat, they not on by default <hobgoblin> and I have the notifications set up nicely <philinux> Bubble <philinux> Yes nice <philinux> Auto login and channel open, ;) <philinux> No smileys I see <hobgoblin> philinux: no - no bubble - no indicator or notification things in panel - next to nothing in panel - awn <hobgoblin> awn flashes with channel message - I only get notified of my nicks or other words I have in the filter <hobgoblin> hi pabstsmear <philinux> Is it possible to enable smileys <hobgoblin> what the picture things? <philinux> ;) yeah <hobgoblin> not that I know of <philinux> Ah ok <hobgoblin> they'd drive me nuts lol <philinux> How do I enable graphical smilies (emoticons)? <philinux> This feature is only available in the official Windows XChat release. <hobgoblin> aah the kiddie version :D <philinux> Ah Beer o'clock, must dash for bus bye <hobgoblin> cya - have one for me <zkriesse> hobgoblin: same here <zkriesse> heh <hobgoblin> :) I suspect #ubuntu is busy - often we get referrals - no idea what it's been like during the last few hours <pabstsmear> hey <hobgoblin> hi <pabstsmear> does anybody here have experience configuring conky? <zkriesse> hobgoblin: 1,458 people in #ubuntu right now <zkriesse> pabstsmear: well i don't but i can try anyway <pabstsmear> I read a few threads over on the ubuntu forums. My setup works fine for a little while and then it stops. Its not that big of a deal, but it is kind of an annoyance. <pabstsmear> I have a very similar configuration to the one in the how to get a beautiful conky thread. <hobgoblin> pabstsmear: what dies it do when it stops? maybe try running it from a terminal - might yield a clue <hobgoblin> pabstsmear: which setup - there are hundreds in that thread I think :) if no-one pipes up I would suggest a thread on the forum once it is back up <pabstsmear> it appears to freeze up for a moment and then quits, but if I run top it still shows the pid <pabstsmear> the one the person who started the thread gave as an example... I used his as a template and only made a few changes. <hobgoblin> pabstsmear: try running it from a terminal and leaving it in there - not sure whether you;d get any useful info from that - but I suspect you would <pabstsmear> I did start it from the terminal once, it was spitting out something, I don't recall, hopefully it will be the same this time. <hobgoblin> if it runs for a long time - there could posssibly be a lot of text, if you paste it here - paste.ubuntu.com - if you use the forum code tags please <pabstsmear> okay, it says Not all processes could be identified, non-owned process info <pabstsmear> will not be shown, you would have to be root to see it all. should I sudo conky? <hobgoblin> no <pabstsmear> it seems basically to be repeating that, I'll post anythng else to the link you gave. <hobgoblin> or maybe yes - paste the info to paste.ubuntu.com, put a name, enter - then you''ll get a url <pabstsmear> thanks <hobgoblin> not sure I will be able to help - but I can certainly have a look <pabstsmear> none-the-less I appreciate it. <hobgoblin> I know - otherwise I would say nothing lol <tdn> I have just installed the available updates today. Including new kernel packages. This broke the video driver. What gives? Are others experiencing this too? How do I fix it? <hobgoblin> I know at least one person who had that issue - what driver <hobgoblin> tdn - I am expecting the same issue later when I reboot with my nvidia <iceflatline> I have Nvidia, did the updates come out today? <iceflatline> If they were the ones out yesteday, all is well with my nvidia card. <hobgoblin> iceflatline: I know someone who lost nvidia after the kernel update <hobgoblin> they had to mv xorg.conf out and reboot with nouveau - nto seen them sicne to see if a reinstall of nvidia fixed it <iceflatline> hobgoblin: k, hopefully this is isolated then. <tdn> nouveau <hobgoblin> tdn not sure then - I know they reverted to nouveau - do you have a xorg? ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf <tdn> Why does this happen? <tdn> ls: cannot access /etc/X11/xorg.conf: No such file or directory <tdn> ls: cannot access /etc/X11/xorg.conf: No such file or directory <hobgoblin> k <tdn> Oups. Sorry for the dup. <hobgoblin> so nouveau is not giving you graphics? <tdn> hobgoblin, I just rebooted and selected the 2.6.32-22-generic kernel instead. There it works fine as before. <iceflatline> hobgoblin: Yes. However I'm in windows right now so can't investigate further at the moment <tdn> hobgoblin, lsmod says that nouveau is in use. When I boot to the new kernel, it says nouveau is not in use. <hobgoblin> k - not sure what has gone on with it - but i would suspect -24 will be along <tdn> hobgoblin, when? Today? <hobgoblin> tdn: I have no idea <tdn> Is there a way to fix it? I mean, it works in 2.6.32-22-generic. Is there a changelog explaining what has been updated? <hobgoblin> tdn: I'm sorry - I have no idea at all - it's all voodoo to me - the kernels turn up and I either install them or wait if I;ve seen something on the forums <tdn> Ok. <iceflatline> tdn: you could reinstall the nvidia drivers to see if that fixes the problem or drop back the previous kernel until you've had a chance to investigate the new changes <tdn> iceflatline, the nvidia drivers? I thought the point of nouveau was to not use nvidia? <tdn> I mean, I am on 2.6.32-22-generic right now, and afaik it uses nouveau and WORKS. <iceflatline> tdn: gotcha. I misread then. I thought you were using nvidia drivers. Explains perhaps why I wasn't affected if it is a kernel issue. <hobgoblin> iceflatline: I asked that of tdn but got no answer, then you started talking about nvidia :) <iceflatline> hobgoblin: my deepest apologies. I'll butt out :) <hobgoblin> nah - we're fine - I got a bit confused as well lol <hobgoblin> but I do use nvidia atm and will see when I reboot later <iceflatline> hobgoblin: yeah, i'm really curious myself now. <hobgoblin> I'll be back here tomorrow I am sure :) <iceflatline> we'll compare notes then. still stuck on windows at work now :( <hobgoblin> :) no PCs where I work <iceflatline> That sounds like my kind of place :) <hobgoblin> heh - well I am off now - night <xsaiddx> hello guys i have a game that it tells me opengl 2 not available <xsaiddx> how can i get it ? <zkriesse> hey Vantrax <Vantrax> hi zach <Vantrax> heya swoody * Vantrax loves swoody... hes cool:P <Silver_Fox_> Good to see love in here. <swoody> heya Vantrax :) * Vantrax loves Silver_Fox_ too <swoody> Vantrax: what's all this lovin'? You on some drugs? :/ <Vantrax> no... do you have some... <Silver_Fox_> Why is that Vantrax ? <Silver_Fox_> :) * swoody emails Vantrax 5lbs of drugs <Vantrax> .... * Vantrax thinks he has enough to open a drugstore... <swoody> lol #ubuntu-beginners 2010-07-02 <stlsaint> nhandler: ping <newboon2age_> kermiac: ping <kermiac> newboon2age_: !pong <nhandler> stlsaint: pong <duanedesign> duanedesign: pong <kermiac> haha... <kermiac> howdy everyone :) <duanedesign> helllooo kermiac <kermiac> hey duanedesign, how are you going today? <duanedesign> been slow in #ubuntuone lately. Everyone busy doing something? <kermiac> duanedesign: yeah, beuno said something about them sprinting for the next couple of weeks... I don't know any more than that though <duanedesign> kermiac: that makes sense <stlsaint> duanedesign: what do you use to record/sound record <Buuntu> can someone help me setup a static ip? <Buuntu> every time I try the internet stops working... <Buuntu> only dhcp works * stlsaint is heading back to the wave! :D <packrat> so, i tried asking for help several times on #ubuntu, but apparently my problem is not interesting enough to warrant much of a response <packrat> got an acer aspire one, trying to install ubuntu netbook remix 9.10 on it. i made a bootable USB, but it pretty much does nothing when i try to either boot it live, or just install straight up <geirha> Could you elaborate on Â«does nothingÂ» ? <ddecator> packrat: did you run an md5sum on the iso to make sure it's not corrupt? <packrat> yup <packrat> as for "does nothing" it will boot to the first menu in the live cd image <packrat> where you select boot live, install straight up, or check for image corruption <ddecator> it doesn't respond at that menu? <packrat> it does <packrat> but when i select either live boot or install, a few seconds later a whitish ubuntu logo will appear, and then it disappears, and nothing happens <packrat> usb and SSD drive both do not show any activity <packrat> even had it sit overnight after i selected install <ddecator> strange...have you tried re-creating the bootable USB? <packrat> several times <ddecator> hm..you might have more luck with 10.04. is there a reason you want to use 9.10? <packrat> though unfortunately i dont have much variability in usb drives, since i pretty much just tote around a couple USB micro vault tinys and thats it <packrat> i chopse 9.10 mostly because https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne/Ubuntu9.10#ZG5%20%288+8/SSD%29 <packrat> seems to indicate really minimal problems <packrat> chose* <stlsaint> packrat: i beg to differ! 10.04 is great plus its a LTS! <packrat> lts? <ddecator> ah, ok. well it could possibly by the usb drive, i know i have one that doesn't work for booting ubuntu and one that does. but yah, 10.04 should work just as well as 9.10 at this point, hopefully even better <packrat> cool beans <ddecator> LTS = Long Term Support <ddecator> it gets updates longer than a standard release <ddecator> so trying 10.04 is a place to start :) <geirha> What program did you use to make the usb? <packrat> the one that comes with the disk <packrat> i wonder, though, whether it might be related to the fact that i ran it off of win7 x64 <packrat> anyways, dl-ing 10.04 now. will give it a try <ddecator> a lot of people use unetbootin as well. i haven't tried it, but that's another possible solution <geirha> I can't think of any obvious reasons why it won't work. It booted one the first try for me on my AAO <packrat> alternatively, i did manage to find the aao recover disc image, but it comes in a .gz format and im not sure how i could make a usb drive out of that <packrat> in windoes <duanedesign> packrat: there are some known issues listed on the wiki. <duanedesign> packrat: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick <packrat> "The 9.10 CDs and DVDs are missing the usb-creator.exe program used by the Windows installation processes discussed below. " <packrat> thats interesting, considering there is a program in the disc image called "usb-creator.exe" <geirha> Â«If you just get a black screen when running from USB, using the setting "Discarded on shutdown, unless you save them elsewhere" in usb-creator might help. Forum: 9.10 NBR issuesÂ» <geirha> That sounds like your issue. <packrat> derp <duanedesign> packrat: they must have fixed the missing usb-creator.exe <packrat> :D <packrat> well, im playing with DSL while im waiting for the dl. thanks. my google-fu is weak <duanedesign> packrat: i wonder if that should be updated , or left for people that might have an old verison <packrat> incidentally, is WPA2 supported on 10.04 <packrat> ? <ddecator> yes <packrat> woot <ddecator> assuming that's what the wireless i'm using right now is encoded with (and i'm 95% sure it is) <duanedesign> Guest54712: trouble with your connection ? <needpieceofmind> 1 sec then ill ask my question <packrat> not enough time <packrat> HURRY! <packrat> (i jest) <duanedesign> :) <packrat> well, thats dandy. start installing ubuntu netbook, and it says "can not mount /dev/loop1 on /cow <packrat> " <packrat> looks like its asking me to mount a filesystem <ddecator> uh oh, the apt cow can't be mounted :( <packrat> but what does that mean * packrat avalanches <ddecator> i'd say to run 'apt-get moo' but you can't yet...darn <packrat> :I <ddecator> ha, that's a new emoticon :D <packrat> then youll love this one <packrat> >:I <ddecator> alright, but in all seriousness, i'm not sure what /dev/loop1 and /cow are :/ <packrat> damn <packrat> if i click enter, the input prompt reads: (initramfs) <ddecator> i'm guessing you ran an md5sum again? <pleia2> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1306277 seems to have some folks having a similar problem <duanedesign> packrat: choose "discarded on shutdown, unless you save them elsewhwere" <pleia2> yeah, that :) <packrat> hrm <duanedesign> :) <packrat> ok, ill give it a shot in a bit <ddecator> yah, this says the same thing: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1334949 <needpieceofmind> ok sorry but a new baby in the house takes presadence over all other <needpieceofmind> so i have a few question and hopefully you guys can help <needpieceofmind> first question is why will my ubuntu 10.4 lucid <packrat> needs a verb there <needpieceofmind> see my cd rom at times and other i cant mount it it dont even show up in file manager <needpieceofmind> i mean disk utilities <packrat> also, anyone have thoughts on how best to partition a 16gb ssd for UNR? <needpieceofmind> can anyone help me with this as im sure this is a beginners problem <duanedesign> needpieceofmind: that is odd. Are these different CD's? <duanedesign> needpieceofmind: oh i see. The device is not showing up under disk utilities <geirha> packrat: For such a small drive, I'd just put / on the whole drive, plus a little swap partition. <packrat> yeah, thats what i ended up doing <geirha> And then /home on an expansion card, if you have one, but ... <packrat> hopefully ext4 isnt buggy <packrat> ive... heard things... you know <packrat> also i love how they give the reiser fs as an option <duanedesign> needpieceofmind: i wonder if it shows up if you run this command in the Terminal (Applications > Accessories > Terminal) sudo lshw -C disk <packrat> which i too have... heard things... about <geirha> On my AAO, with 9.10, suspend and hibernation fails if the card in the expansion slot is mounted. Don't know if that has been fixed yet though. <duanedesign> packrat: ext4 is fine <packrat> yeah, i read about that. i think ill be fine with the 16gb ive got on this thing <packrat> its not really going to do any heavty lifting anyways <packrat> no matlab :P <geirha> It's great for playing nethack ;) <packrat> haha <packrat> how do i scan for available wireless networks in UNR 10.04? <duanedesign> is there not a network manager applet <duanedesign> packrat: you can use the following command in a Terminal: sudo iwlist scan <needpieceofmind> duanedesign no it doesnt but when i ran that in term it popped the drives up in disk util <packrat> apparently xterm doesnt allow me to scroll up <packrat> laaame <needpieceofmind> ok now i ran the command again and it shows up in the list <needpieceofmind> @duanedesign once u run the sudo iwlist scan how do u connect to them <duanedesign> needpieceofmind: you can click on the network manager applet and select a network there. If it is not listed, use the connect to hidden network <needpieceofmind> ok 1 sec trying now <duanedesign> also System > Preferences > Network Connections <needpieceofmind> do i put anything in the bssid box and how do u use connect to hidden network <needpieceofmind> thank you so much for your help as i am finally connected <ddecator> woot! <needpieceofmind> and now my cdrom and flash drive are both there and in disk util to so thank you everyone but time to shut this ol p.o.s down and start playin with ubuntu and learning <ddecator> needpieceofmind: good luck :) <packrat> oh yeah, UNR is running smoothly now on my AAO, many thanks <ddecator> packrat: good to hear :) <packrat> got a shitload of updates though. :\ <packrat> i would have hoped they'd keep the images a bit up to date on this stuff <geirha> There'll probably be a 10.04.1 release soon, in which case the UNR image should be updated too. <duanedesign> needpieceofmind: glad you got it <duanedesign> packrat: yeah the updates after installation can be big <needpieceofmind> downloading all 285 megs of updates so atm im still on this till that upto par 'but thank you <duanedesign> needpieceofmind: heh, you too <needpieceofmind> is there a way to tell at what speed ur connected <ddecator> you can test in a browser, or if you're downloading updates in a terminal it'll tell you have fast the connection is <duanedesign> needpieceofmind: might look at iftop <duanedesign> sudo apt-get install iftop then sudo iftop to run <needpieceofmind> it showed up just a lil usto xp still wouldnt convert to vista so its all new learning <needpieceofmind> where might be a good place to start learning terminal commands <ddecator> the beginners manual goes over some basic ones i think :) <ddecator> http://ubuntu-manual.org/ <needpieceofmind> ty ddecator <duanedesign> some linux command cheatsheets http://www.nixtutor.com/linux/all-the-best-linux-cheat-sheets/ <ddecator> oh that's a good one.. <duanedesign> needpieceofmind: an a-z index of BASH commands http://ss64.com/bash/ <hobgoblin> so is that one <duanedesign> morning hobgoblin <needpieceofmind> im at nixtutor now but is security still a major issue for ubuntu like it is all ms products <ddecator> heya hobgoblin :) <hobgoblin> needpieceofmind: I found the best way to learn commands was use them as I needed them - you tend to remember if you actually need things to be fixed <hobgoblin> morning duanedesign ddecator <hobgoblin> iceflatline: if you are there - nvidia did not fail badly with the new kernel :) <ddecator> needpieceofmind: there are always some security issues in software, but linux is affected by a LOT less viruses, malware, etc. <needpieceofmind> hob i just need sumwhere to start and as i am i will play around with it and learn them as i go but with per say a kick in the but <packrat> ubuntu probably the most vulnerable of the linux flavors though <packrat> due to popularity <needpieceofmind> that figures <packrat> still probably safer than windows or mac <ddecator> it definitely is <needpieceofmind> hope doing movies is as easy and fast <ddecator> still a good idea to use a firewall though :) <hobgoblin> needpieceofmind: if you have the resources - disk space and ram - I would install ubuntu to a virtual machine - then you can set snapshots, play away as much as you like and not need to reinstall the 'real' install if you completely break it <tenach> hobgoblin, your nvidia works good now? <hobgoblin> tenach: it always did - I just read and heard some failures with the new kernel <needpieceofmind> well im wireless and behind 2 routers so i think i safer for firewall aspect <tenach> Ah. <ddecator> i haven't had issues with -23.. <tenach> Before the newest kernel update, I could not use my 6800 :S <hobgoblin> ddecator: some have - and some still are <hobgoblin> tenach: really - I have a 6* something on the media server - works fine <ddecator> hobgoblin: glad i'm not one of them, i was hesitant to update already <needpieceofmind> whats better gnome or kde or is that just a preference thing <tenach> hobgoblin, yeah, I couldn't get it to work so I am using my wife's ati :( <newboon2age_> packrat: vulnerable? in what way? <tenach> needpieceofmind, I would say preference in that. Give both a look at :) I am still going to give KDE a look at again, since I haven't really ever kept it around very long. <newboon2age_> packrat: not at all to speak of that i can see. <packrat> vulnerable in the sense that virus writers will give ubuntu more attention than most other distros <needpieceofmind> poor poor tenach and having to use a ATi card :( <packrat> all theoretical, i guess <newboon2age_> packrat: don't see any of that so far <ddecator> still very few in numbers overall. security issues in browsers and in flash are more of a problem than viruses <needpieceofmind> whats a good browser instead of ff as i dont much care for it <packrat> speaking of... looks like the youtubs are supported oob <packrat> arent* <ddecator> wait for FF 4 :) <needpieceofmind> and it and adobe have alot of issues <packrat> sadly, it really doesnt seem like html5 and apple are going to win this battle <needpieceofmind> html5??? <ddecator> webm is doing good on youtube <packrat> uh, yeah, its up to html5, right? <needpieceofmind> and i apologize if i seem like a pain in da butt with all my question but i am a complete n00b as this was all a spurt of the moment switch <newboon2age_> packrat: i wouldn't count out html5 or apple. not yet. <ddecator> needpieceofmind: we're here to answer questions :) <packrat> well, yeah, that was my point <packrat> flash is just way too undeservedly popular <needpieceofmind> its cause its compact and simple <needpieceofmind> like php <needpieceofmind> well thats no so much on the simple side <newboon2age_> packrat: well other technologies have been wildly popular but it doesn't stop there being viable competitors. <packrat> haha <packrat> not sure how compact php is, either <needpieceofmind> who/what has gave flash a run for its money <newboon2age_> packrat: flash for one took a very long time to take off. It would only take google (who owns youtube) to decide to support something else and all of a sudden the whole picture would change. <needpieceofmind> oh its compact if you look at the amount of coding you have to do in it compared to java or even html cause it can handle crons and so much more <tenach> I loves me php <needpieceofmind> thats very true newboon <needpieceofmind> tenach u a php junkie with sum coding experience in mmorpgs <UNRrat> and now i can get my irc fix on the run <needpieceofmind> text based <tenach> In coding php-based mmorpgs? <needpieceofmind> stuff like the common mafia browser games <needpieceofmind> point and click and time limits <needpieceofmind> alot of cron jobs <needpieceofmind> games for example are o-game,omerta,mafia wars <tenach> Ah. I worked briefly on one, but they're really not my cuppa. <packrat> farmville? <packrat> lulz <needpieceofmind> might i ask what it is as i loves me php to and have just gotten into making a game to kill time <needpieceofmind> farmville is satan in digital format <needpieceofmind> believe u me it had me hooked for a long time <packrat> farmville is just Lawnmowing 2.0 <needpieceofmind> lol so whats frontierville then <packrat> those were the days though. f yeah clouds of xeen <tenach> needpieceofmind, I am not fond of the click and wait games like pretty much any/all games that have touched facebook/made by zynga. <needpieceofmind> lmao <needpieceofmind> aqh ok <tenach> I've been working on a browser-based client for a MUD style rpg though. <needpieceofmind> ooooooooooh <tenach> html/javascript for the front end with php being called via the js, server running in python. <needpieceofmind> very nice <needpieceofmind> thinking ur a LOT MORE ADVANCED then myself <drew212> anyone have any ideas how to recover some pictures i lost due to doing a fresh install of ubuntu? <tenach> needpieceofmind, I wouldn't necessarily say that I'm more advanced. Perhaps I have just spent a long time on this hobby/project off and on. <needpieceofmind> lol ok i can accept that <packrat> so which swf player should i install? <tenach> So, I gather that you are looking to make a browser game? <packrat> got adobe, swfdec, and gnash <ddecator> adobe <tenach> I just go with adobe <ddecator> gnash and swfdec don't perform nearly as well <needpieceofmind> i made one and didnt like it the coding was all jumbulled so im starting from scrath and doin it <tenach> Ahh, cool. <tenach> :D <needpieceofmind> does ubuntu have vlc play <needpieceofmind> player* <tenach> needpieceofmind, yes. <tenach> needpieceofmind, you can find it in the software center <needpieceofmind> yeah i been at it for about 6 months now <needpieceofmind> ok i think im prolly go hey wire once it gets done updating <tenach> or you can just apt-get install vlc <tenach> :D <needpieceofmind> lol i will do it like that <needpieceofmind> wanna learn this the right way not be a lazy iterface user <needpieceofmind> wow how do u make urself root <ddecator> sudo <tenach> all you need to do is sudo <needpieceofmind> just tried apt-get install vlc <tenach> making yourself root is dangerous. <ddecator> sudo apt-get isntall vlc <tenach> Hai MadameTock <ddecator> install* <needpieceofmind> lol i forgot the sudo <needpieceofmind> well i didnt realize its so later here so time for bed for me since the kid is sleeping
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