#ubuntu-website 2009-04-01 <ryanakca> newz2000: works. Someone forgot to close the <a ...> blah tag when they updated the masthead... which made everything else part of the same link... in <h1>.. which got hidden off the masthead. <newz2000> ryanakca: that's frustrating. Do you know who updated the masthead? <newz2000> well, no need to point fingers <newz2000> at least you figured it out. :-) <ryanakca> newz2000: nope. And yep, I'll email the guy / gal once I get my wireless fixed (no wireless == no mutt == no mail), unless you feel like doing the honors :) <newz2000> no thanks, I'll keep my nose out of it. * ryanakca scratches his head and points out that he meant replying to the original bug report email that newz2000 forwarded to him and not the finger pointing one... but doesn't matter <ryanakca> newz2000: You going to the UDS? <newz2000> ryanakca: no <newz2000> ryanakca: are you going this time? <SiDi> Hello <SiDi> ping newz2000 <SiDi> (err, nothing actually, sorry) <newz2000> thorwil: you're hilarious <newz2000> (I hope) <newz2000> ;-) <thorwil> newz2000: in that case, i am ;-) <jpds> newz2000: What do you think of https://launchpad.net/bugs/352971 ? <ubot3> Malone bug 352971 in ubuntu "People download and install 9.04 pre-release without a proper understanding of what constitutes a 'production environment'" [Undecided,New] <newz2000> I hadn't seen that yet... let me check it out. <newz2000> I think it's a very good point <newz2000> I'm not sure what the best action is, probably something added to the /testing/jaunty/beta page <jpds> Cool, someone brought it up in #ubuntu+1 earlier, thought it would interest you. <newz2000> I'm glad I'm aware of it now, I've added it to ubuntu-website project <newz2000> I'm generally opposed to the philosophy that people are too dumb to understand things like this... <newz2000> but it can't hurt to add to the disclaimer <jpds> newz2000: Do you maintain shipit.kubuntu.org ? <newz2000> jpds: no, that's the launchpad team <newz2000> jpds: is there a problem? <jpds> newz2000: Can you point https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=5312 in their direction please? <newz2000> yes <newz2000> ugh, either RT or my inet is *slow* today <jpds> Obviously it will need to be updated for Jaunty too. <newz2000> yeah, I'm sure it's planned <newz2000> I've reported this as a bug in launchpad * thorwil thinks of how canonical could have claimed that *the* launchpad server had been stolen. along with *the* backup tape <jpds> thorwil: Sounds... unlikely. <newz2000> yeah, April 1st is too close to release day <thorwil> :) <thorwil> good night! #ubuntu-website 2009-04-02 <SiDi> hi <thorwil> heh, the finnish guys didn't bother with translating the banner this time ;) http://www.ubuntu-fi.org/ <jpds> Most people haven't, eg: ubuntu-es.org <newz2000> That's the downside to the blender method. Fewer people feel comfortable modifying it. <newz2000> (but it looks very pretty of course ;-)) <jpds> newz2000: True. :) <thorwil> newz2000: are you ok with moving "Powder" to "Specifications" in the artwork wiki? <newz2000> thorwil: yes, do I just rename the page? <thorwil> newz2000: i think there's a "move" feature. let me handle that, as there's more to do <newz2000> ok, sure <thorwil> no move, it's really called rename <ryanakca> newz2000: I hope so. There's the part of convincing my parents to let me go. Once I manage that, everything will fall into place :) <newz2000> ryanakca: are you 17 now? <newz2000> what age do you have to be so that you don't have to fly as an "unaccompanied minor"? <newz2000> oh, btw, ryanakca: we should plan to upgrade kubuntu to Drupal 6 <newz2000> kubuntu.org that is <ryanakca> newz2000: When would the upgrade be? Required theme changes are all on the Drupal website I'm guessing? <newz2000> ryanakca: not a huge rush, maybe aiming for post-release but pre-uds <ryanakca> *nod* #ubuntu-website 2009-04-04 <leftyfb-> hello? <Turl> hi leftyfb- <leftyfb-> does anyone here run the official ubuntu website/domains? <Turl> leftyfb-: yep. newz2000 is in charge of ubuntu.com and the wikis iirc * newz2000 also blogs about pizza sometimes too <leftyfb-> hi there newz2000 <newz2000> hello <Turl> newz2000: what kind of pizza? you made me feel hungry :P <newz2000> Well, tonight I was actually blogging about cutting pizza <leftyfb-> Was wondering if you guys had any future plans for spreadubuntu beyond just forwarding it to the main page? <newz2000> http://is.gd/qEjA Turl <newz2000> leftyfb-: I don't have any plans for it <newz2000> this is kind of a community effort <leftyfb-> Have you considered pointing it to the rapidly growing and popular "spread ubuntu" effort going on over at http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org <Turl> newz2000: good pizzalistic ideas :) <newz2000> it's making me hungry too <newz2000> leftyfb-: is there more than one spread ubuntu effort? <Turl> leftyfb-: didn't know that site, seems a good one - and it's even in my native language! :) <leftyfb-> newz2000: not that i know of <newz2000> leftyfb-: last I heard the spread ubuntu efforts were being run by the #ubuntu-marketing team <newz2000> I think that's probably a good place for it <leftyfb-> it'd make things a lot easier to find that one if we could just use spreadubuntu.com/org <newz2000> If help is needed with the web specific aspects those topics could be discussed through this group... we have numerous drupal experts <newz2000> I see what you're asking now <leftyfb-> well, i dont run the site. Just saw the need to make it easier to find and raise awareness <newz2000> I didn't even know that domain was registered <leftyfb-> com/org/net <leftyfb-> all point to the main site <leftyfb-> kinda pointless <newz2000> leftyfb-: are you part of the ubuntu-marketing team? <leftyfb-> nope ... just help run the MA LoCo and the site was brought up at a couple of our meetings <Turl> newz2000: they are registered by James Troup, maybe he can contact him? <newz2000> yes, I can contact him <leftyfb-> oh, those aren't owned by Canonical? <Turl> leftyfb-: James Troup works at canonical <newz2000> leftyfb-: are you part of the group that does spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org? <leftyfb-> nope <leftyfb-> like i said <leftyfb-> nope ... just help run the MA LoCo and the site was brought up at a couple of our meetings. i felt the need to come ask if we could get the spreadubuntu domain(s) pointed to a more appropriate site <newz2000> I would consider doing it. I think I'd want to talk to the team handling it first. <newz2000> I'll put it on my todo list for next week <leftyfb-> cool <leftyfb-> by team, you mean the team handling the http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org site right? <newz2000> yes <Turl> newz2000: how's the geo ip download system going? <newz2000> stalled <Turl> :/ <newz2000> the drupal 6 upgrade took too long <newz2000> but it's still high on my todo list, I hope to work on it this summer <Turl> I'll have to wait until karmic then <newz2000> I have an idea... <newz2000> create a url such as www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download/latest-32bit.iso <leftyfb-> geo ip download? <newz2000> it would really be a php/drupal page that downloads the iso <newz2000> then people wouldn't need forms <Turl> leftyfb-: automatic mirror selection <newz2000> just links to the proper ISO file <leftyfb-> closer doesn't always mean faster <newz2000> that's true, automatic detection is very tricky <leftyfb-> i give out the MIT mirror all the time and people find it one of the fastest from anywhere in the world <Turl> leftyfb-: where are you in? <leftyfb-> MA :) <newz2000> :-) <newz2000> south america says that europe is faster than north america <Turl> and where's that? :p <leftyfb-> Massachusetts <newz2000> USA <newz2000> Boston is in MA <Turl> oh, I see <leftyfb-> or TN <leftyfb-> but mainly known for MA <Turl> here in south america you usually get high speeds on 1)mirrors in your country 2) Mirrors in very near countries 3) Mirrors in europe/usa <newz2000> Turl: where are you again? <Turl> newz2000: Argentina. The last country from top to bottom <leftyfb-> newz2000: what about using the same mechanism that the automatic/fastest mirror selection in the software sources tool uses? <Turl> leftyfb-: that would require users to run an app that does that. <newz2000> leftyfb-: I'll look into it but I don't think it's anything special <Turl> it pings all the servers and downloads from the less-latency ones <Turl> and checks speeds <leftyfb-> hm <newz2000> oh, I thought it was just country based with some dns tricks for countries without a mirror <leftyfb-> no <leftyfb-> it checks <leftyfb-> Turl is right <leftyfb-> didnt think about people not using ubuntu to download the iso <Turl> newz2000: ar.archive.ubuntu.com is in USA iirc. not even near argentina <newz2000> yeah, that's common <newz2000> Turl: are you in Beunos Aries? <Turl> leftyfb-: windows people download the ISO commonly * newz2000 thinks we may have had this conversation before <Turl> newz2000: nope, on Rosario. But I used to leave near buenos aires (70km from there) <newz2000> I think I may be in Beunos Aries in a month or two <Turl> newz2000: it's "Buenos" :) <Turl> newz2000: do you speak some spanish? <newz2000> about 8 words <newz2000> :-) He leaves. <newz2000> :-) <newz2000> I know about 8 - 10 words of Spanish <Turl> sorry, pidgin crashed and this new indicator-applet is crap, I can't see if pidgin is running at a glance <Turl> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=es&geocode=&q=rosario,argentina&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=31.095668,86.660156&ie=UTF8&ll=-33.906896,-61.875&spn=8.129552,21.665039&z=6&iwloc=addr <Turl> see, I live in "Rosario" <newz2000> gotcha <Turl> and I used to live in "Campana" <Turl> the little dot under the road # 12 <newz2000> I didn't realize Buenos Airies was so close to the water <Turl> it's just between Rosario and Buenos Aires <Turl> newz2000: Buenos Aires has docks and all that ;) <Turl> there are a lot of boats stopping there and whatelse <Turl> it's a very big place, has lots of containers near the river :P <Turl> newz2000: http://www.lsis.org/imsm07/gallery/images/Puerto%20Madero%201_jpg.jpg <Turl> http://www.mvl.gov.ar/sec_privada/img_lugares/puerto de Olivos.jpg <newz2000> I see <newz2000> Turl: do you have a day job? <Turl> newz2000: if you come, buy some "alfajores" and try "dulce de leche". You won't regret :) <newz2000> ok <Turl> newz2000: I'm 16, I'm doing 4th year of secondary school :) <Turl> here the last one is 5th, so it's still 2 years to go (+ university) <newz2000> Turl: if it makes you feel better I think my panel just crashed <newz2000> :-) <Turl> my pidgin crashed *again* :p <Turl> newz2000: on jaunty? <newz2000> yeah <leftyfb-> use a real irc client <Turl> leftyfb-: real irc clients don't have jabber+msn support <Turl> newz2000: did you install kerneloops ? <leftyfb-> i use carrier for IM's and xchat for IRC <newz2000> Turl: no <newz2000> leftyfb-: I stick to default ubuntu apps as much as possible <newz2000> dogfood and etc <Turl> newz2000: install it then. help kerneloops.org identify the most common kernel oops :) <newz2000> I don't think I've had a kernel oops in a long time <Turl> newz2000: I have one which appears every time I reboot :p it's related with my intel wifi <newz2000> definitely not since I switched to jaunty <leftyfb-> i would too if the pidgin devs weren't systematically destroying their project and alienating their users <Turl> leftyfb-: it's true, pidgin quality is decreasing <newz2000> leftyfb-: yeah, there was discussion to switch the default client to empathy, don't know where that went though <Turl> a friend uses this telepathy thing, I might switch too <Turl> empathy* <newz2000> the interesting thing about pidgin is that since the split it into a separate UI and library package more IM packages are coming out using the libpurple <Turl> newz2000: https://launchpad.net/cloudsession <leftyfb-> i like the idea of telepathy, but it's tough to switch from polished and feature rich applications to barebones and limitatiions <Turl> newz2000: the problem is, libpurple crashes sometimes :P <newz2000> yeah <newz2000> I run bip so that I'm always connected <newz2000> that's an interesting looking package (cloudsession) <leftyfb-> i run a BNC for that <Turl> bip? what's what? <newz2000> Turl: it's an IRC proxy <leftyfb-> hm <leftyfb-> loco wiki is broken <leftyfb-> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MassachusettsTeam <newz2000> it runs on a server and stays connected to IRC and then you connect to it as if it were your own private irc server <Turl> newz2000: that's a software I'm doing with a friend <newz2000> Turl: how far along are you? <Turl> newz2000: what do you mean with that? <leftyfb-> the trouble with remote management is NATing <newz2000> How much have you got done? <leftyfb-> only way to do it easy is with an online subscription service <leftyfb-> eg: gotomypc <Turl> newz2000: it can ping, screenshot on the 3 main OSes and shutdown on the 3 main OSes (shutting down is not still on the control UI, but should be easy to add) <leftyfb-> most people dont want to or know how to forward ports on a firewall <newz2000> Turl: when you get ready to release something let me know, I know some people who'd like to see it I think <Turl> newz2000: ok :) <Turl> the protocol itself is ready, the functionality is just missing (ie code to reboot, suspend, whatever) <leftyfb-> Turl: do you have any solutions/ideas for getting around NAT's transparently? <Turl> leftyfb-: this is a setup once-works forever thing. it's not suppoused to work around nat :P <leftyfb-> not sure i follow <Turl> but you can always use good old ssh to do that, if needed <Turl> leftyfb-: this is a software for, let's say, manage the 30 pcs on an IT lab, on an office, or why not, at home <leftyfb-> landscape <Turl> but it's not something you would send a friend to fix him a problem <newz2000> landscape doesn't do screen sharing <leftyfb-> how would cloudsession do screen sharing through NAT? <leftyfb-> how would cloudsession do screen sharing through NAT? <newz2000> ah, my panel came back <leftyfb-> you need to open ports or ssh a reverse ssh tunnel <Turl> leftyfb-: you open a port on your router and that's it :P <newz2000> wow, it's 1:35am in Argentina <leftyfb-> ok, so this isn't for the average user <Turl> leftyfb-: nope, as I said if for special needs <newz2000> there is some way that clients can open ports on routers, I've seen games do it. <newz2000> Maybe using UPnP <Turl> or for the home user who has 2+ pcs <leftyfb-> upnp <Turl> newz2000: that's true too <leftyfb-> most routers dont enable it by default <Turl> I might implement it in the future <Turl> leftyfb-: I don't even know if my crappy one supports that :p <leftyfb-> canonical needs to open up landscape to the average user and make a centralized service for remote desktop management <leftyfb-> so many people ask for something like remote desktop/gotomypc on ubuntui <newz2000> vino <Turl> leftyfb-: that exists and it's called vinagre/vino <leftyfb-> nope <Turl> leftyfb-: combine that with hamachi and it's done :) <leftyfb-> without opening ports <leftyfb-> transparent <Turl> well, I have to leave <leftyfb-> it wouldn't be that hard to implement.... <leftyfb-> use a combination of reverse ssh with their centralized server and x11vnc on the target desktop <newz2000> see you later Turl <Turl> leftyfb-: hamachi does best ;) <leftyfb-> they could even make pgp keys easy by making them little ID cards with avatars <Turl> see you! <leftyfb-> hamachi is not user friendly <leftyfb-> welp, bedtime... <leftyfb-> thanks for considering the use of the domain name newz2000 <newz2000> ;-) catch you later leftyfb- <leftyfb-> i hope it gets worked out... it'd raise the awareness of the site and give loCo's a centralized place to share marketing material #ubuntu-website 2009-04-05 <DSGM> Hello Folks <DSGM> Is anyone there? *lonely in a corner :(* <DSGM> The Ubuntu website said this IRC channel was particularly quiet. I guess the site was right. #ubuntu-website 2009-04-06 <_MMA_> newz2000: While using the wiki I got this message: <_MMA_> "Warning: You triggered the wiki's surge protection by doing too many requests in a short time. Please make a short break reading the stuff you already got. When you restart doing requests AFTER that, slow down or you might get locked out for a longer time! " <_MMA_> Now, can this be triggered by having too many attachments displayed on a page? <thorwil> newz2000: same happened to me with the countdown banner submissionspage <newz2000> I have triggered surge protection before but not in that way <newz2000> however it is definitely possible <newz2000> do you have a page your working on? <_MMA_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions <_MMA_> The PNG attachments aren't being displayed here for me anymore. Just the attachment text. I have to remove some anyway, but I thought this odd. <newz2000> yeah, that is odd <newz2000> let me look... going into a conference call in just a min though <_MMA_> k <_MMA_> Yep. I bet that's it. I removed some that have been added to the set already and they pop back up again. :) #ubuntu-website 2009-04-07 <thorwil> hi newz2000. the Sitemap link as found in the header of the wiki (not logged in) leads to http://www.ubuntu.com/sitemap, "Sorry, the page you are looking for was not found" <newz2000> thorwil: thanks, I'll get that fixed <thorwil> newz2000: good. also in that footer: http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/ seems to be an old link, now points to http://moinmo.in/ #ubuntu-website 2009-04-08 <thorwil> newz2000: hi! could you change the "--" a signature added via @SIGÃ¦ in the wiki into an &ndash; ? <thorwil> damn, i must be a quibbler :) <savvas> does ubuntu-website handle editing configuration files of the wiki? <newz2000> savvas: no, you'll need to file an RT about that, do you know how to do that? <savvas> I'll have to forward bug #301830 and bug #300997 then :) <ubot3> Malone bug 301830 in ubuntu-website "PageList Style Formatting" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/301830 <ubot3> Malone bug 300997 in ubuntu-website "monthcalendar on ubuntu wikis - unattractive brown/red colours" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/300997 <savvas> newz2000: montgomeryrobert@example.net right? <newz2000> correct <savvas> ok on my way! thanks for the prompt reply! <savvas> newz2000: can you please unsubscribe ubuntu-website team from those two bugs? <newz2000> yes <savvas> thanks, I've set them as invalid :) <savvas> ok sent to rt <savvas> cheers! #ubuntu-website 2009-04-09 <Turl> newz2000: can you ping a server and tell me the latency? <newz2000> Turl: yes, sure <newz2000> ryanakca: do you have a moment to make a minor change to the kubuntu download page? <newz2000> when you get a chance, change the iframe's src tag so that instead of http://www.ubuntu.com/syndicated/kubuntu-download it is http://www.ubuntu.com/syndicated/kubuntu-download?kubuntu=1 <newz2000> (only change is the addition of ?kubuntu=1 to the end) <SiDi> hello :) <newz2000> leave me a ping to let me know <newz2000> hi SiDi <SiDi> just remembered i joined the channel <SiDi> like a good hour and a half ago <SiDi> what's up, newz2000 ? <newz2000> hey, not much here <newz2000> Just doing some maintenance on ubuntu.com <newz2000> some of our pages break the drupal search <SiDi> i wanted to tell you, i ran into trouble with jaunty's start page <SiDi> nothing to be worrying about, but i thought i'd tell you <newz2000> search box too wide? <SiDi> exactly ! :) <SiDi> it doesnt leave enough room for the button with the french translation of research <SiDi> of search* <newz2000> SiDi: there are two problems, one is going to be easy, one not <newz2000> is yours the problem where it's just a little too big to fit? <SiDi> yeh <SiDi> well, it looks like the search box is fixed-width, not leaving room for the button to breathe <newz2000> ok. That one I'll be able to fix easily. I've set some time aside today to do that <SiDi> isnt it possible to put the button float right, and the box with width 100% and just some margin ? i haven't done css for a while but it should be ok <newz2000> not quite but won't be too bad <newz2000> this one is harder: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/tmp/test.png <SiDi> hm <SiDi> if it's still in that state in a few days, feel free to drop me an email, i used to love spending nights fixing this kind of stuff <newz2000> If you want to tinker with it I'd love some help <newz2000> Do you want the html source? <SiDi> Sure <SiDi> my mail is montgomeryrobert@example.net <newz2000> here, I'll give you a link <SiDi> We only target gecko/webkit/khtml, right ? <newz2000> gecko really <SiDi> (ie we dont bother with ie :D) <newz2000> correct <SiDi> Ok, i'll have a look asap then <newz2000> SiDi: have you used bzr before? <SiDi> i've used it to download sources :P <newz2000> ok, good <newz2000> bzr branch lp:ubuntu-start-page <newz2000> will get you the source <SiDi> downloading <SiDi> btw, i find bzr horribly slow compared to git :P <newz2000> The latest version is supposedly close in speed <newz2000> but unfortunately I don't have much say in the matter <newz2000> the output files are in the www directory. You can grab the 9.04/index.html.fr one and tweak it. <newz2000> if you have success, just send me the bzr diff for the directory and I should be able to work it out <newz2000> I hope its easy <SiDi> Okies <SiDi> oh btw, when i checked it out, it was completely different from the actual start page i had <newz2000> oh? <SiDi> ok, i'll try to boot jaunty in 10/20 mins <SiDi> if my keyboard is recognised i'll tell you exactly what i fell on <newz2000> ok <SiDi> second, finishing a few translations and quitting #xubuntu ;) <SiDi> back <SiDi> uploading you an image of what i get <SiDi> it's a very default xubuntu install, on 15" screen <SiDi> http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/8611/capture1lfg.png <SiDi> newz2000: the css is the same between all pages, right ? <newz2000> SiDi: yes <newz2000> there are a couple languages with the exact problem you see <SiDi> Well, i think it just comes from fixedwidth input <newz2000> that'd be a nice easy fix <SiDi> and some languages have a bigger search button because the text is bigger <SiDi> it happens all the time with gdm themes <SiDi> btw, we sould do something like iGoogle :) <newz2000> SiDi: that was a plan at one time <newz2000> however its very difficult to do well <SiDi> well, it's always good to have a web portal. it's true its a lot of maintenance <SiDi> but it really makes user stick with you <SiDi> anyways, rebooting firefox, just installed some webdev plugin <SiDi> brb <SiDi> i need to go <SiDi> i'll work on it tonight <SiDi> i'll keep you informed newz2000 <SiDi> good night everyone <newz2000> ok, thanks SiDi <ryanakca> newz2000: Yep <newz2000> ryanakca: did you already do it? <ryanakca> newz2000: oh, *looks* <newz2000> ryanakca: don't do it <newz2000> you don't need to worry about it now <ryanakca> OK <newz2000> I did something else <newz2000> a couple pages were messing up the search engine so had to put work arounds in #ubuntu-website 2009-04-10 <ziroday> Hi, can I access launchpad or the wiki etc with my openid account? Or only through the launchpad openid? <SiDi> hello <SiDi> newz2000: for the start.ubuntu.com, unless we wanna have headaches, there is a simple workaround <SiDi> you can just put the size of the text input to 37/38 instead of 40 for when it's a little too big <SiDi2> having wifi trouble :d <SiDi2> newz2000: there alsoo are a few syntax errors in the page <SiDi2> missing / at the end of input and meta <SiDi2> (and yeh, thats dramatical :D) <SiDi> Hello <newz2000> hey SiDi <newz2000> Thanks for your work on the start page, I'll give it a try. <SiDi> Hello <SiDi> Well, if you ask me early enough for karmic, i can code you a page in proper and completely flexible (em-based widths/heights) css, i did it for my portfolio and it really works well. <newz2000> Yes, I've done that too, the problem is never the HTML <newz2000> that is easy <newz2000> the trick is making graphics that work with flexible widths <SiDi> the problem here is directly related to the html ;) <SiDi> the size element of a text input should almost never be used, as it implicitely fixes an min-width <SiDi> which was too large, in our case <newz2000> regarding the xhtml, it is actually finished in the trunk, waiting for translation updates to go live <newz2000> s/finished/fixed <SiDi> Hello <newz2000> Salut <SiDi> Salut newz2000 , Ã§a va ? :P * newz2000 took three years of French in school and now can only say "hello" and count to 10 <SiDi> hehe :) <newz2000> use it or lose it they say <SiDi> Exactly <SiDi> and i'm losing my spanish little by little <SiDi> (which sucks, for someone of spanish origin :P) <SiDi> UDS will be a good training ! :) <newz2000> yeah <newz2000> I won't be there for UDS but will a week prior for canonical meetings <SiDi> i will *try* to be there <newz2000> SiDi: where are you located currently? <SiDi> still have to convince a few persons that my networks orals can be postponed at uni <SiDi> south of france <SiDi> it's my last year there, and i've got family in barcelona, so i dont wanna lose my chance to go there this year <newz2000> you're not too far <newz2000> it would be a shame not to go <newz2000> but a degree is important. :-) <SiDi> Well, if they weren't so badly organised... i still don't know when i'll have my exams :D <gata> a noob here needs help plz <gata> i want to use my machine as an ftp server so dat friends can access from anywhere <gata> i have ubuntu intrepid installed <newz2000> gata: plz is spelled "please" and instead of "dat" you should say "that" <newz2000> If you want to help with this website, this is the right channel. <gata> ok thanks <gata> news2000, thanks, i appreciate <gata> i have vsftpd installed. but i do not know how to configure my machine to make it accessible through the internet by my friends <newz2000> gata: what part of the world are you in? <SiDi> we can assume your machine is configured. can you login from localhost ? <gata> i will appreciate a kind of step-by-step guide to do this <newz2000> gata: that is here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FtpServer <newz2000> but you may have better luck with a local user group <newz2000> getting it set up is not too hard, getting to it from outside your own network is challenging <gata> Sidi: yes i can <SiDi> and not from outside ? <SiDi> and just like that, did you configure your router to redirect port 22 tcp traffic to your computer ? <gata> that's what i do not know how to do <SiDi> We can barely help you on that. <SiDi> Unless you have exactly the same ISP as me :D <newz2000> right, thats why I asked where you're located gata <newz2000> I'd get in touch with a local user group or a loco team <newz2000> probably someone close to you has already done it <gata> dublin <newz2000> you're in luck <gata> really? how? when? <newz2000> (wiki is moving slow, just a sec) <jpds> "dublin.eircom.net] has joined #ubuntu-website" <newz2000> http://www.ubuntu-ie.org/ <newz2000> gata: ^ <newz2000> they have forums, an email list and even an IRC channel <jpds> And also; #ubuntu-ie and #ubuntu-server can help too. <newz2000> Every time I see that animated banner I think that this team is so awesome. <gata> newz2000, jpds: thanks a million, i appreciate. i will try now. i have been on this for over 6hours <newz2000> gata: if that fails (ftp is especially challenging) <newz2000> look into the web dav module for apache 2 <newz2000> it can do the same thing and may be easier to pass through the firewall <newz2000> (but you do stil have to contend with the firewall) <gata> ok. i will try ftp first. if that fails, i will try apache <SiDi> hm ftp active mode doesnt support NAT static traversal, right ? <newz2000> I think you have to use pasv mode <SiDi> yeh, at least for the connection part <newz2000> it may work OK if the ftp server is behind the nat though <SiDi> i'll have to try that one day, to check out how it works <newz2000> I gave up on FTP a while ago <newz2000> webdav is better, sftp is better yet <SiDi> i used to use sftp, too <SiDi> anyways if i want a file to be downloadable from the outside, i put it on the apache serv <newz2000> I actually did have a problem the other day where I was trying to share a 2.8GB file with someone <newz2000> my apache is only 32b so it wouldn't serve the file <SiDi> what's the limit, exactly ? <newz2000> 2GB for 32b apache <newz2000> apparently #ubuntu-website 2009-04-12 <SiDi> Good night everyone #ubuntu-website 2010-04-03 <cjohnston> newz2000: guessing you arent around <jpds> cjohnston: Not on a weekend. :P <cjohnston> i know <cjohnston> lol <cjohnston> every once in a while i get lucky #ubuntu-website 2010-04-04 <cjohnston> I can't stand how when a bug gets marked invalid in website and then gets added to something else, we still get all the lp emails about it <jpds> You're still subsrcibed. <cjohnston> i cant unsubscribe <cjohnston> because im get subscribed to all website bugs <cjohnston> so even though its invalid for website i still get it #ubuntu-website 2010-04-05 <cjohnston> newz2000: ping <newz2000> hey <cjohnston> there is a bug report cause the banner isnt updated.. lol.. is there a status updat one it? <newz2000> yes, I'm planning to put what I have together today in the afternoon actually <newz2000> I've been traveling so i'm not yet sure what I have and don't have though <cjohnston> gotcha <cjohnston> newz2000: when would be a good day for you to have a meeting <newz2000> cjohnston: regarding the localization project/ <newz2000> ? <cjohnston> yes <newz2000> I think this week or next I'm pretty equally busy except for Thursday of this week except for Thursday when I'll be extra busy due to beta 2 release <newz2000> cjohnston: so why don't you pick a time that works for you and if I can come I will, and if not I'll give you all the information I have <cjohnston> ok <newz2000> btw, I talked to elmo, the lead sysadmin and got some really good support / conditions for support <newz2000> and I talked to the project manager for the design team who didn't give me any firm commitments on anything. :-) <cjohnston> ok <cjohnston> lol <cjohnston> newz2000: fwiw im gonna do tues the 13th <newz2000> cjohnston: ok, sounds good. Let me know the time when you have one. #ubuntu-website 2010-04-06 <cjohnston> newz2000: bug 556905 <ubot3> Malone bug 556905 in ubuntu-website "Bad link on http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/556905 #ubuntu-website 2010-04-07 * newz2000 checks <cjohnston> hey <cjohnston> Will you be in Brussels? <newz2000> cjohnston: no <cjohnston> :-( <cjohnston> Just booked my tickets <newz2000> lucky you. The brussels airport is very nice. :-) <newz2000> (that's as much as I've seen of the country from the ground) <newz2000> If you need me to participate in a meeting I'm happy to call in or do some hybrid irc/gobby/streaming audio, just let me know <cjohnston> for uds? <newz2000> yeah <cjohnston> i dont think i would <cjohnston> i dont plan on running anything <cjohnston> i dont think <cjohnston> unless you have something for me to do <newz2000> nope. :-) <cjohnston> ok <newz2000> leafpad is a nice fast editor unless you need to do find and replace <newz2000> it's been running for 236 min * cjohnston is leaving for the night... You got my email right newz2000 ? <newz2000> cjohnston: when did you send it? <cjohnston> yesterday <cjohnston> the meeting <newz2000> oh, yes <cjohnston> okie <newz2000> I'll email you the stuff IS gave me <cjohnston> dpm knows about it too <cjohnston> and he said he would try to be there <cjohnston> he wants me to send the email to the loco contact and translations lists <cjohnston> so i guess ill do that tomorrow <cjohnston> I sent it to the website ml, plus bcc to all who showed interest from any list <newz2000> ok <Damascene> hello <Damascene> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/557041 <ubot3> Malone bug 557041 in ubuntu "ubuntu-desktop mail-list is so paranoid killing every messeag reach it by the assasin spam-assasin" [Undecided,New] <newz2000> ok, countdown banners went live, please spread the word! <newz2000> I'll be adding "change" to the homepage of ubuntu.com down at the very bottom <stas> thx, i updated the loco website :) <stas> nice banners btw, congrats <knome> newz2000, orange is way best <qense> agreed <newz2000> when the decision was made, orange was purple and the canonical design team helped on it a bit. <newz2000> They're both very good though. :-) #ubuntu-website 2010-04-08 <newz2000> Anyone here ever make a facebook app before? <thorwil> newz2000: are you considering to write a farmville contender? :) <knome> newz2000, how can you make a facebook app before you make one? <newz2000> Someone suggested making a facebook app for the countdown <newz2000> I'd support someone in the community if they wanted to do it * thorwil hands knome a better parser * newz2000 doesn't define support yet <knome> thorwil, :P why better parser <knome> i'm not even on facebook! * thorwil -> coffee <ofirk> newz2000: do you have a sec? <newz2000> ofirk: yes, I will make one for you * newz2000 has been ignoring ofirk too long <ofirk> newz2000: thanks :) <ofirk> newz2000: can you give me an update about the download page? <newz2000> No changes yet, and to make matters worse I'm fearful that something drastic may need to be done <newz2000> As in, the ability to manage it through www.ubuntu.com (even using an iframe) may vanish <newz2000> I was thinking about this last night as I laid in bed actually <ofirk> wow :) <ofirk> is there something I can help with? <ofirk> I really want it to go smooth <newz2000> yeah, smooth is good <ofirk> so, what are your thoughts? <stas> newz2000: i wrote a facebook app some time ago <newz2000> what you proposed, as in the html you suggested, looks fine. But I think we should have a fall-back plan <newz2000> ofirk: something clever, ideally that doesn't use php <newz2000> stas: and you loved it so much that you wanted to write another one? <ofirk> why we need php for? the mirror list? <newz2000> yes, it gets pulled in the form of an RSS feed from launchpad <stas> actually i got the code i used under gpl, so yeah, I would love to make another one :) <ofirk> what about using js to do all the processing? <newz2000> stas: will you be around for a bit? I'm wondering if we can talk through it after ofirk? <ofirk> we can pull the mirror list, just like a JSON request <newz2000> requires xss to grab an rss/xml feed across domains <stas> newz2000: may i prv you to tell you my email, I think its the best way to stay in touch, though I'm lurking around often <newz2000> stas: yep, sounds good <newz2000> ofirk: I'm ok with that line of thought, but lets take a step back <newz2000> what's the best experience we can provide w/ no code other than html/css? <ofirk> no mirrors <ofirk> we can link only to ubuntu's main server <newz2000> Hmm... even something like this would be impossible: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors#mirrors <ofirk> a list of mirrors is scary <ofirk> it should be simple <newz2000> yeah, that too * newz2000 has an idea, just a moment <jpds> Let's put in the mirror redirect magic. <newz2000> jpds: have you seen the code (or know how it works) for the new download page? <jpds> newz2000: No... <newz2000> jpds: what were you referring to? <jpds> newz2000: The redirection for downloads at http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download <newz2000> ofirk is trying to do this for kubuntu.org <newz2000> and they have no php access on that site <ofirk> mirror redirect requires some short of php <ofirk> newz2000: you said you had an idea <newz2000> I do actually... I'm looking at the code for the new download page and it looks like it could be easily extended to work for kubuntu <ofirk> can you send it to me so we both can take a look of it? <newz2000> no, but here's how I imagine it working <newz2000> there will be a form that submits (using post) to a special URL on ubuntu.com <newz2000> and it redirects to the iso image <newz2000> so people don't even leave the page they're on when they start the download <ofirk> sounds fine <ofirk> can ubuntu.com also pick the closest mirror? <ofirk> so we can remove the mirror list from the download form... <newz2000> yes, it does that magically. :-) <newz2000> ofirk: in the kubuntu admin area do you see the list of modules that are enabled? <ofirk> i don't have access to the production site <newz2000> ofirk: oh, who would be able to check? <ofirk> I will ask Riddell <newz2000> ok. have him look to see if there's a module called "Ubuntu" <ofirk> I think he is here, I will try... <newz2000> don't change anything yet, just check <newz2000> no rush, I'm still thinking of plan "b" stuff <ofirk> Riddell says there is no such module called Ubuntu <newz2000> bummer <ofirk> what is this module? <newz2000> it's custom code for the ubuntu website <ofirk> I really don't understand how the kubuntu website is running <ofirk> if it is based on drupal, how it can't have php? <newz2000> It's a hardened version of Drupal 6, basically <ofirk> each theme comes with a php file <newz2000> the ability to add PHP code through the browser interface has been removed <ofirk> but if we include a php file with the theme, which does the mirror listing form launchpad, will that work? <newz2000> yes <newz2000> but the theme isn't really the right place to do this I think <newz2000> because you don't want it to happen on each page view <ofirk> we can include it inside template.php and execute it only through the download page <ofirk> actually, it will be run everytime, but only do something when the download page is accessed <newz2000> ok, lets consider that an act of desperation <ofirk> the proper way is to implement it through a module, but I guess that is too complicated <newz2000> We'll see <ofirk> do you have something more on your mind? <newz2000> I'm still hoping that Plan A will work, basically reusing ubuntu.com's solution <newz2000> I'm going to focus my energy there <ofirk> Do you need me for Plan A? Alter the download page or something else? <newz2000> It will take some re-thinking of the download page a bit <newz2000> I've marked your message in my inbox, I will try to follow up with you by about this time tomorrow <ofirk> OK <ofirk> thanks! <cjohnston> howdy <newz2000> stas: still around? <stas> newz2000: yep <newz2000> Someone suggested making a facebook app /sidebar for the countdown <newz2000> seems like a cool idea to me <newz2000> I don't have time to do it though <newz2000> Does that sound like something that you'd like to try to pull off? <stas> yes that doesn't sount like too complicated <stas> i think i can write it quick <newz2000> what is needed to do it? <stas> hmm, some informations, It would be cool to have the banners location URI persistent and change the pics once a new release is coming <newz2000> right now the banner's img tag is written w/ js <newz2000> and the path to the js file is persistent <stas> thats not good, fb proxies the html you send to him and you might not get the same html ids after <stas> I would go plain php rotation <newz2000> Currently we do a very simple document.write() <stas> i'll try with js <newz2000> do any files need to be hosted? <stas> but my experience with fb and third-party js files was not that successful <stas> newz2000: nope, I will host it on ubuntu.ro until its reviewed <stas> if it's ok <stas> you can move it <newz2000> will it be PHP or will it just be plain HTML? <stas> ill publish also the code on lp <stas> php, i need that to connect to fb api <newz2000> ok, I thought so. That will be an interesting problem to solve. <stas> although, i didnt try with plain html, maybe it will work <stas> ill play with both approaches <newz2000> ok, static content == easy to deploy for us <stas> +1 for that too <newz2000> but if it's not possible, so be it <stas> if the js take won't work, php will be required <stas> for image rotation <newz2000> yeah <stas> oky give some time, maybe until tomorrow i'll get it up <stas> the idea is to have a landing page <stas> where user will be able to push a button that will add a widget to his profile <newz2000> yeah <stas> the widget will contain the countdown banner image thats all <stas> good :) <newz2000> Thanks for explorign this... <newz2000> it'll be interesting to see if we can pull it together <stas> btw, newz2000 I wont get into the design part, so you'll have to take care of it :) <newz2000> no prob <stas> great, lets see if we make it together <ofirk> -*- what #ubuntu-website 2010-04-09 <stas> newz2000: i had use python so i deployed a small app on appengine <stas> bzr push lp:~sushkov/ubuntu-website/ubuntu-countdown-fb <stas> err <stas> bzr branch lp:~sushkov/ubuntu-website/ubuntu-countdown-fb <stas> didn't finish the profile box, looks like is deprecated in api, but the old content is still visible on facebook <stas> so I'll use profile tabs instead <newz2000> hey * newz2000 checks out the code <stas> the uri on fb is this http://apps.facebook.com/ubuntu-countdown-fb <stas> but we can change it after <newz2000> I don't see anything to do on that page <stas> check out the index.fbml in views folder <stas> it should output a button <stas> that button adds the profile box, but it was deprecated <stas> <fb:add-section-button section="profile" /> <newz2000> it's not showing for me. :-( <stas> for me too <newz2000> http://apps.facebook.com/ubuntu-countdown-fb/views/index.fbml <stas> nope <stas> http://apps.facebook.com/ubuntu-countdown-fb/ <stas> check the code for sources <newz2000> yeah, I see text there but nothing to take action <stas> I know, thats why I said I shall use tabs <newz2000> ah, so because its deprecated it's not going to work the way we thought? <stas> yes <newz2000> ah, too bad <stas> we wont be able to impement as profile boxes, only as tabs <stas> i'll give a shot with tabs later <newz2000> Does it seem kind of weird that we'd have a tab with just a countdown image? <stas> i think we can add tabs to sidebars <stas> let me check again <stas> newz2000: great news tabs can be added to wall <stas> so its ok <newz2000> I actually have a policy against using apps in facebook so I really don't know what that means, but none the less... yeah \o/ <newz2000> :-) <stas> :) <stas> it means that a user will be able to place it directly on his profile landing page <stas> and it fits perfectly into sidebar :D <newz2000> I chose a standard ad size on purpose. ;-) <newz2000> stas: how can I see it? <stas> oh, i tested it with another app i got on profile <newz2000> ah <stas> there's a 200px widht sidebar <stas> how large are the widgets? <newz2000> 150 I think <newz2000> 180x150 <stas> good <stas> give me some time and ill finish the app :) <newz2000> in case anyone hasn't said it today, you rock. :-) <newz2000> stas: what part of the world are you in? <stas> romania <stas> europe <newz2000> oh, should have guessed from the ubuntu.ro thing <newz2000> You're up late. Or early. <stas> yep :), its 5am here <newz2000> insane. :-) <stas> i didn't sleep this night yet <stas> but its ok :) <newz2000> nothing like a fun challenge to make the hours pass <newz2000> thanks for your effort, let me know if you come up w/ something. I'm going to retire soon myself <newz2000> don't forget to sleep sometime <newz2000> ;-) <stas> np, keep in touch :0 <stas> :) <cjohnston> newz2000: thanks <newz2000> ;-) <cjohnston> ill let you know if i understand it all when im less buzzzzzzzed <newz2000> ok #ubuntu-website 2010-04-11 <stas> guys anybody knows how do i reach newz200? an email or webpage <knome> stas, montgomeryrobert@example.net <stas> oh, cool, we were working on that facebook app, who wants to try it? :) <knome> i'm not on facebook <stas> oh, ok <stas> thx for email <knome> no problem #ubuntu-website 2010-04-12 <newz2000> hi stas, around? <stas> newz2000: yep <stas> hi <newz2000> hey stas, the fb thing looks good <newz2000> I just sent you an email, but basically: <newz2000> 1. can the images be 180px instead of 200px? <newz2000> 2. Do you want to host it where it is now or do you want me to move it into a diff account? <stas> newz2000: 1. I used the urls you sent me so I didn't change the images, but I would let them as they are <stas> 2. I don't really care, we can move it anywhere <newz2000> stas: some where there is a style setting the width to 200px. :-/ <stas> as I said, I can place a load balancer in front of a couple of engines, so there wont be downtimes <stas> newz2000: let me check <newz2000> looks like in add.fbml and widget.fbml there are references <newz2000> oh, just add.fbml actually <stas> hmm, shouldn't be there, I removed them <stas> let me upload the new version <stas> newz2000: yep, that was wrong, now its better <newz2000> stas: cool, so are you OK w/ me promoting this button now, like it is, or would you rather us do something first? <stas> nope, actually I'm done <stas> I was waiting for your approval <newz2000> I think it's good. I've just added it, but like a newbie I don't know where to even see it <newz2000> stas: ^ <stas> we can submit the app to FB app directory and if its ok we can promote it <stas> newz2000: there are 3 steps <stas> when going to app page <stas> clic on the upper button to add the application <stas> after it you will have another button in the same place where you can use to place the widget <stas> click on it <stas> now you should be on /add page <stas> choose your favourite widget <stas> bu clicking use this widget <stas> and after you'll see add to profile button <stas> that one is pretty stright telling you what to do <stas> and it will show you the results <stas> *should guide you actually <newz2000> ah <newz2000> got it <newz2000> When I add it to my wall I get an error like this: <stas> I wanted to make it as simple as possible but FB are acutally asking for first 2 steps <newz2000> No content to display. <newz2000> This box will not be visible to people who view your profile until this application adds content to it. <stas> newz2000: hmm, let me check <newz2000> it works on my boxes tab though <stas> dunno why it doesnt show, I'll try some modifications <newz2000> thanks for your help with this, I've mentioned it to a couple people and they're excited <stas> newz2000: check it now * newz2000 checks <stas> also should be visible on my profile <stas> http://www.facebook.com/sushkov <newz2000> stas: do I have to remove it and then re-add it? <stas> you have to visit the /add page to update the content of the box <stas> just go to /add page and toggle a widget or another as default <newz2000> it worked! \o/ <newz2000> ooh, fits perfectly in there too <stas> yay, now pray facebook to not totally deprecate the profile boxes until lucid is launched :D <newz2000> yeah <newz2000> stas: ok, are you ready for me to publicize it? <stas> yeah, I'll submit it to FB app directory for review <stas> after what they should add it to the public directory <newz2000> can we add it to the countdown page before that? <stas> we can actually <stas> :) <newz2000> Do they give us some HTML we can use to add a nice official looking button? <stas> btw, get some better logo to update the app :) <stas> newz2000: nope, they just list it in their directory so the people who search can find it <stas> nothing special <newz2000> How do we get one of those "add to facebook" buttons? <stas> hmm, we can just place a link to the http://apps.facebook.com/ubuntu-countdown-fb/ <stas> and style it whatever we like <newz2000> ok <stas> newz2000: can you get a better logo with the new brand to put as application logo <stas> i used the one from wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand <newz2000> stas: what dimensions do you need? <stas> 800x600 maximum <newz2000> Do you know what size it is typically shown at? <stas> let me check <stas> The image that appears next to your application name throughout Facebook. <stas> Limit: 16x16 px <stas> The image that appears in the Application Directory and with your requests. <stas> Limit: 75x75 px <stas> and one bigger for http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=115718008445537 <stas> app page <newz2000> oh, yeah. we can do better than that. :-) * newz2000 gives it a quick shot <stas> tell me your fb id, I'll add you as admin so you can play with it <newz2000> stas: newz2000 or newz tat bearfruit.org <newz2000> at, not tat <stas> fsck, can't add users as admin until not friends... <newz2000> no sweat, I confirmed you. Buddy. ;-) <stas> check it now should be visible at http://www.facebook.com/developers/apps.php <newz2000> stas: no, not yet <newz2000> but I did find an app I started long ago and never finished <stas> hmm <stas> newz2000: http://i.imgur.com/hZwg8.png <stas> dunno why is pending <newz2000> I'm
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