#ubuntu-us-ca 2010-12-01 <iheartubuntu> thanks everyone for the help!! :) <jledbetter> I wish I had "!help" rl <aaditya> jtatum: no theme :( <jtatum> aaditya, no theme? <aaditya> yes, all I see is white background and all relevant HTML elements, but looks like the CSS has been deleted. <jtatum> browser/os? <jtatum> oh... hmm <jtatum> that might be me <jtatum> sec <aaditya> I believe it's because it's looking for CSS under ubuntu-ca.org/ <aaditya> firefox and chromium, on Ubuntu of course. <aaditya> hello rbarot__ <jtatum> aaditya, try now :) <aaditya> jtatum: works! <aaditya> the text on the right side under the logo is wrapped, but that's a minor <aaditya> Theme looks awesome. Wow, this was quick. <aaditya> hello rbarot_ <jtatum> proxy is a giant pain :P too much to try to rewrite. i'm thinking editing host file may be the best way :) <rbarot_> hi .. I am in india now <aaditya> rbarot_: yes, how's it going there? <aaditya> jtatum: hm, avoiding proxy would be better. I'm not sure how Linode works, but host file solution sounds like the way to go. <rbarot_> its going awesome..busy with family gathering and all <aaditya> rbarot_: that sounds fun! <aaditya> rbarot_: I'm working with Zend to do a meetup at Y! this month. Guess you won't be back by then. <rbarot_> aaditya: yes it is. Howz everything else going <aaditya> rbarot_: will you be back by the Jan meetup? I'm thinking of another Ubuntu related meetup then. <rbarot_> that is really good. I guess i couldnt make it this time though. of course <aaditya> alright, we'll continue the discussion later. <aaditya> have fun there! <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects edited <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/HolidayPeaceFaire edited <pleia2> nUboon2Age: cool, that's the event you were talking about at the ubuntu hour, right? <nUboon2Age> pleia2: si amiga <jtatum> happy mailman day <MarkDude> jtatum, should we use some PC term for the chicks also? <MarkDude> Like mailpeoples, or letter folks or sumthin'? :D <jtatum> the first of every month is the day when mailman emails you list reminders for every list you're subscribed to :) <MarkDude> Most inanimate objects are given a female persona tho. Like ships, airplanes, etc <pleia2> mailman is the name of the software :) <MarkDude> shh pleia2 * MarkDude is just glad he did not call it GNU mailman #ubuntu-us-ca 2010-12-02 <dragon> trippedoutfish: Welcome to #ubuntu-us-ca <trippedoutfish> catastrophe: Why thank you :D <yantrashilpi> 'morning everyone. <nhaines> yantrashilpi: Good morning. <yantrashilpi> nhaines: Hope everything is well... I forget are you in the bay area? <yantrashilpi> was wondering when our next ubuntu hour was going to be. <pleia2> yantrashilpi: there will be one in san francisco on wednesday <pleia2> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california has the list of upcoming stuff <yantrashilpi> i'm assuming that's a week from now :)... I unfortunately don't have the DeLorean that Marty had access to. <yantrashilpi> or the plutonium <pleia2> yes, on the 8th <jdeslip> World of Goo is now for sale in the Software Center. I highly recommend it. Awesome awesome game. <yantrashilpi> got it, thanks pleia2 <pleia2> :) <nhaines> yantrashilpi: I'm in the LA area actually. :) <nhaines> Also World of Goo is great and I recommend it as well. :) <yantrashilpi> nhaines: ahh yes I remember now, we were talking about it a few weeks back. <jussi> oh, I forgot to ask, is osmos available for sale in the SC yet? <jdeslip> jussi: I don't think so. <jdeslip> only 5 apps total for sale right now <jussi> someone should get them onboard <jussi> jdeslip: what are they? * jussi is on the phone atm. so sorry if replies are slow <jdeslip> Brukkon, Vendetta Online and World of Goo (which are all games) <jdeslip> Fluendo DVD Player and Fluendo Coded Packs <jdeslip> codec that is <iheartubuntu> osmos is pretty cool. i brought it over on my netbook on thanksgiving to my folks house and people said it looked lame, next thing you know everyone wanted to try it! <iheartubuntu> steel storm is pretty neat game too. <iheartubuntu> the new version of tuxcart is nice as well! :p <nhaines> I don't see any purchasable apps in Software Center over here. I know my laptop has two apps listed. <jdeslip> nhaines: Is your machine Maverick? Paid apps don't show on Lucid and below <nhaines> jdeslip: all my machines are running Ubuntu 10.10 and have a "For Purchase" icon. <nhaines> Which is why I can see two apps on my laptop. <jdeslip> Strange that they don't show up :/ <MarkDude> aaditya, can I ask you a php question? <MarkDude> http://zareason.com/shop/Submit-Action-Shots.html Why does the pic appear on a few machines just fine, and wont render on my Chrome or FF browser <MarkDude> Or anyone else that knows more php than me, which is basically everybody <pleia2> MarkDude: the image URL is https://zareason.com/shop/admin/getfile.php?file=%2FMarkinpenguininBART500.JPG <pleia2> which gives normal users "access denined" <pleia2> denied <pleia2> are you logged in to some kind of zareason administrative interface when you do your tests that work? <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/WhoDoesWhat edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Website edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Planet edited <MarkDude> ty very much pleia2 - we have someone trying to fix it <pleia2> sure <pleia2> team reports are due saturday morning, so if anyone has anything to add: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/TeamReports/10/November <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/November (nonexistent) | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/TeamReports/10/November edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/TeamReports/Current edited <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/10December05 edited <jledbetter> I'll actually be in town this month but guessing no hours or such the last week of the year ;) <pleia2> there is one down in Santa Cruz on the 29th <pleia2> and the SF one will go on as scheduled (dec 8th) <jledbetter> Great! <seidos> speaking of SF, where can I buy some seeds for spinach, lettuce, and potatoes. wait, potatoes i just need to bury a potato, right? <seidos> and some silliness for your viewing pleasure/!pleasure: http://www.youtube.com/user/BalloonShop#p/u/81/xgLvHAKJJF0 <akk> I usually go to hardware stores like OSH, or Target, for plants, but seeds you can probably get even at Safeway or Walgreens. <akk> And yeah, I think for potatoes you can cut into sections and bury them (haven't tried it myself). <seidos> yeah, i couldn't find an OSH in san francisco. i don't get what the whole so san francisco thing is. anyway, i found something close: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=gardening&sll=37.782112,-122.480049&sspn=0.076655,0.154324&ie=UTF8&t=h&rq=1&ev=zi&radius=5.06&split=1&hq=gardening&hnear=&ll=37.783028,-122.484469&spn=0.019163,0.038581&z=15&iwloc=D <seidos> which was very surprising <akk> I remember when I worked in SF and it was impossible to buy hardware, and I kept having to drive to the south bay for auto parts. <akk> There's probably a Target or heatherjohnson@example.com. <pleia2> there are a few Ace hardware stores around here <pleia2> beyond that we tend to go to specialty stores, electric, lighting, etc (cater to contractors and individuals) <akk> I'm sure there are nurseries somewhere in SF, but you shouldn't need to find a specialty nursery just to buy seeds. <akk> Of course you can buy seeds online too. <pleia2> there is a fancy grocery store in the basement of the westfield that probably sells seeds too <seidos> well, it's probably good to buy seeds at a nursery, support the mom and pop stores, instead of the faceless corporations <seidos> they couldn't charge that much more, could they? <akk> Seeds are fairly cheap even from an expensive nursery. <seidos> yeah, i would think <akk> $4-5/bag maybe from an expensive place, $2 from a place like a supermarket. <seidos> so hey, if you guys are bored, you can look up your <ominous-echo>mayan horoscope</ominous-echo>: http://13moon.com/decoder.htm <iheartubuntu> someone said seeds? <iheartubuntu> seidos... i recommend baker creek seeds. they are well known back east and i think they opened up a flagship store somewhere near you... peteluma? <iheartubuntu> http://rareseeds.com/ <iheartubuntu> http://rareseeds.com/petaluma-seed-bank/ <iheartubuntu> might make for a fun excursion <iheartubuntu> im sure they have garlic bulbs and potato "seeds" <iheartubuntu> the potatos in the store have been treated and most likely wont grow. <iheartubuntu> although if you get some organic potatos from whole foods or similar store you might have luck if they werent treated <iheartubuntu> potatoes <iheartubuntu> :) <iheartubuntu> I would also like to recommend Freedom Seeds down here in Pasadena. http://freedomseeds.org/ <iheartubuntu> A small family that grows their own crops (6000 lbs a year) at their home is also now selling heirloom and open pollinated seeds <iheartubuntu> All of the seeds Ive bought from both companies have done very well. <iheartubuntu> There is also PLENTY of free seeds all over the internet if you "dig" around. lots of seed exchanges. I found one lady up in canada who grows strickly russian varieties of tomatoes... and she sent me some seeds. <iheartubuntu> im looking through my links now for some free seed sites <pleia2> that's pretty cool <iheartubuntu> http://www.seedsofchange.com/ guarantees their seeds to be organic since they grow and collect the seeds themselves (as does freedom seeds) <iheartubuntu> If you dont have a lot of space, consider square foot gardening.. http://www.squarefootgardening.com/ * MarkDude has the cape goosberry seeds that are almost ready <iheartubuntu> free tomato seeds here (SASE) ... http://wintersown.org/wseo1/YourChoiceTomatoSASE.html #ubuntu-us-ca 2010-12-03 <iheartubuntu> i remember nhaines or someone here was an HDD expert? ive got a baraccuda seagate drive thats not showing up anymore. i dont know if its fried or what. anything i can do to get it working again? gparted cannot see it. seagate utilities found on ultimate boot cd cannot find it either. <iheartubuntu> when i try installing ubuntu it says i need hard drive drivers and gives me a list to pick from, but i have no clue which one to use <seidos> iheartubuntu, that's great, but i'm in san francisco now, and looking for something local. btw, are you faring well? <iheartubuntu> im faring OK <iheartubuntu> how is SF? <iheartubuntu> i bet union square looks nice with all the decorations * pleia2 is heading down there this evening <pleia2> I caught a glimpse of it coming home the other day, very pretty :) * iheartubuntu misses it up there <iheartubuntu> was going to go up for my bday in NOV but saved $ and went to jay leno show which was free <pleia2> darn being responsible :) <iheartubuntu> i told him his show was my favorite, but only the monologue since i usually fall asleep after it :) <iheartubuntu> seidos, im sure its easy to get to petaluma from SF <seidos> iheartubuntu, never heard of petaluma <pleia2> you need a car <pleia2> maybe an hour north? <pleia2> 45 minutes? <seidos> i'm not wasting 45 minutes worth of gas to buy seeds :/ <seidos> i am too 'po <iheartubuntu> no bus? <iheartubuntu> heck, id hitch hike <iheartubuntu> no train? <pleia2> caltrain goes south, bart goes south and west, I don't think any trains go north <seidos> have you ever hitch hiked in your life? <seidos> well, i'd still have to pay for the trip :/ <seidos> hitch hiking is a last resort kind of thing. <seidos> hmmm, well so is living here... <iheartubuntu> amtrak... 2 hours <iheartubuntu> train from OAK to martinez, ca then bus to petaluma <iheartubuntu> $60 tho on amtrak RT <iheartubuntu> I know a guy named Big Larry who drives truck. I can give you his number. <iheartubuntu> :D <iheartubuntu> seidos, have you joined freecycle.org up there? <seidos> nah, my dad has a bike. i did meet a group of misfits at the recreation center on 6th though <seidos> he said i could have it, but i really have no place to ride to <seidos> 100w light bulbs <kdub_> hey DarkwingDuck <DarkwingDuck> Hey kdub_? * kdub_ is trying to figure out another SD ubuntuhour location <kdub_> if you have any suggestions <kdub_> i feel the coffee shop last time was too smal <DarkwingDuck> It was a bit small... <DarkwingDuck> We want to keep it in the point loma area? <kdub_> eh, I'd be fine moving it somewhere else <kdub_> phil doesnt have a car though <DarkwingDuck> Okay, we'll keep it up there for him... There a bookstore in that area with a coffee shop like thing? <kdub_> not sure, i'll probably have to investigate a bit <kdub_> so, lets keep it there, the 18th is probably the best date this month <kdub_> considering holidays <DarkwingDuck> Okay, I'll should be able to make it. <DarkwingDuck> I'm gonna let KPLUG know <kdub_> actually, i dunno so much about the 18th, i'll figure it out once i get back to my calendar <kdub_> at any rate, sometime around then <kdub_> i'll keep you in the loop * kdub_ is at s-bucks now <kdub_> they sure make them small out here, MI's starbucks are practically warehouses ;-) <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, I know that feeling... The Starbucks up by Midway is a bit bigger <MarkDude> grantbow, are you going to Jono's show tomorrow in SF? * MarkDude pats Eureka on the head <MarkDude> Let me know G- if you are driving I will pitch in gas $ <pleia2> california has ruined me already, I called 54F "cold" <akk> heh <akk> I was listening to Car Talk last week, and this woman called in about how she has a newish SUV but it doesn't have heated seats, and it's so cold she doesn't drive anywhere any more <akk> and they said "Wait, you're in Oxnard? How cold does it get there?" and she said "It's SOO COOOOLD! This week it got down into the fifties!" <akk> She didn't get much sympathy from Click & Clack. :) <pleia2> haha, yeah, a friend of mine in philly told me about that car talk episode when I told them it was cold here :) <dragon> Anyone got a link for Jono's event in SF tomorrow? <MarkDude> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=158257237548249 <MarkDude> \m/ \m/ <dragon> woot. <MarkDude> Dude, check out this http://zareason.com/shop/Submit-Action-Shots.html <MarkDude> Sort of a low-rent contest, but cool nonetheless, imo <dragon> MarkDude: is that a real zareason poster? <MarkDude> No, Gimp does perspective well enough <dragon> lol that's what I though <MarkDude> I use the time on BART to do pics when I am not wasting it playing games <MarkDude> http://picasaweb.google.com/tuxwingsgroup/Pictures#5546372914659068994 <dragon> hah, that's a nice one1 <MarkDude> Good abbreviation- ftp- fear the Penguin <dragon> and HTTP? * MarkDude will work on that as well as other protocols <dragon> s/protocols/penguins/ <MarkDude> Yes , but your comment made me aware that there are other iteration I could attend to <dragon> yep, nice idea <dragon> btw is nixie attending jono's event tomorrow? <MarkDude> Oh, wearing black to the show would be a good idea <MarkDude> No collars <MarkDude> Or sweaters <MarkDude> I dont think so <MarkDude> Nixie is still recovering from her time at the loft <MarkDude> I think we have her for CLS tho <dragon> lol, recovering. * MarkDude misses the hottub <MarkDude> Do you know any caterers? * MarkDude is the dinner coordinator for CLS party at the bohemian loft <dragon> caterers? Yes, a bunch of Indian restaurants. <dragon> My dad knows them personally, so I could talk to him. <MarkDude> Well, we already have Indian food <dragon> wait, the one at the loft? Is that before or after the event? <MarkDude> same people as last lunch <dragon> oh, that was really nice. <MarkDude> after the event <MarkDude> Everyone liked them so they are already approved <dragon> awesome. <MarkDude> we have two people for doing a Tea Ceremony for the dinner <dragon> hmm, caterers other than indian places? Can't really recall any off the top of my head. <dragon> Tea Ceremony? <MarkDude> Yep * MarkDude looks for link <MarkDude> http://www.medicinebuddhas.org/ <MarkDude> It looks as if we may be able to teach some classes there <MarkDude> Im leaning on Karsten to do one in Feb <dragon> interesting <MarkDude> Well yes it is <MarkDude> very interesting <MarkDude> At a place started by Master Wang in 2005 <dragon> I wasn't aware of this <MarkDude> Neither was I. * MarkDude hopes to see it before Xmas <MarkDude> I need to get a caterer that has some food that will work with the vibe, and has a decent vegetarian option <MarkDude> Did you hear the one about the Buddhist that walked up to the hot dog vendor and asked him to make - him one with Everything? <dragon> hah <dragon> I'll keep looking for options <nUboon2Age> Ubuntu Manual Officially Recognized By Canonical [Updated] (& Ubuntu Dev Manual too) http://www.muktware.com/n/02/2010/547 <nUboon2Age> okay, here's a better URL: http://dindafoss.wordpress.com/2010/12/02/ubuntu-developer-manual-project/ <nUboon2Age> nhaines: the Ubuntu One for Window beta is public, not private, so your e-mail was completely unecessary (and had a very unpleasant tone to it too btw) <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours edited <nUboon2Age> Dec 9, The Ubuntu Hour: San Jose/Silicon Valley http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/585/detail/; Dec 16th: Mountain View/Silicon Valley http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/550/detail/ akk, aaditya, crashsystems, FashionGirl, jamal, jledbetter, jtatum, MarkDude, pleia2, Yasumoto, phildini, mcgrof_, jb <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours edited <nUboon2Age> jledbetter: i see you did your first edition of "The Ubuntu Hour: Newport News"; congrats! <jledbetter> nUboon2Age, Thank you :) Was fun. <nhaines> nUboon2Age: the Ubuntu One for Wnidows beta is public but is a closed beta, so your email was irresonsible (and extremely disappointing). <nUboon2Age> nhaines: you're e-mail and now this have a very disrespectful tone imo. i won't reply further to that kind of garbage <nhaines> nUboon2Age: what's garbage is signing up for a closed beta and then giving out access information. And then pretending that it's not closed. <nUboon2Age> nhaines: i'm blocking you now <nhaines> nUboon2Age: you can fuck yourself, too. <nUboon2Age> czajkowski: , jussi, paulproteus, please observe what nhaines just wrote here ^^ <nhaines> nUboon2Age: they swear constantly all the time in this channel. <nhaines> nUboon2Age: but, if you want to call attention to yourself being untrustworthy, be my guest. <czajkowski> nhaines: could you please mind your langauge <jdeslip> nhaines: Well, cursing at someone is slightly different. nUboon2Age: Please do realize that your latest contributions to the mailing list have been off-topic and heatherjohnson@example.com. Grant and Nathan had valid points. Please try to learn from that instead of taking personal offense. <nUboon2Age> jdeslip: i accept your point, but at the same time imo there is no excuse for the harsh unpleasant tone that both grant and nathan have taken. could it be related to the fact i recommended neither of them be allowed to run for Council? i think absolutely yes. <nhaines> czajkowski: please do the same, thanks. <czajkowski> nhaines: mine is fine in here. <nhaines> czajkowski: I believe that had logging been implemented earlier that would be demonstratibly false. <nhaines> nUboon2Age: you assume too much. <jdeslip> nUboon2Age: I think we all tend to take criticism a bit more personally than an outside observer would see it. Either way, nothing good comes of escalating things into personal conflicts. <jussi> awesome: The Finnish Police has 100.000 fans on Facebook - in comparison the FBI has only 65.000. Finns really do trust their authorities. <jdeslip> Anyway, nhaines: I recognize you are frustrated, but cursing at people is not acceptable in the channel, regardless of who has done it before. * MarkDude doubts that is really nhaines - even during arguments he is more respectful than that <jussi> argh, gotta run. laters. <nUboon2Age> jdeslip: your phrase 'escalating things into personal conflicts' ignores the reality. these are two people who seem to be bent on vengence for my having recommended (and the LoCo Council accepting) they not participate in leadership for a time. <jdeslip> nuboon2Age: neither is constantly carring a victim complex and posting snarky comments about people. <nUboon2Age> jdeslip: your statement is evidence and merit-free <jdeslip> nUboon2Age: they are two people who had legitimate complaints about your recent emails. You chose to connect those comments to personal conflict. * MarkDude would suggest this being a reaction to the recent overreaction that occured in this Team <nUboon2Age> jdeslip: actually neither were legitimate complaints <MarkDude> nUboon2Age, what is this regarding- may I aask? <MarkDude> BTW, you do see how the false dilemma you pointed to a while ago about factions does not really hold true <MarkDude> Since the shake up here, I have been in agreement with nhaines on quite a bit <nUboon2Age> MarkDude: the factions thing is true though you deny it. * MarkDude *still* would have voted for him had he been allowed to run <MarkDude> step back for a moment <MarkDude> me was arguing with nhaines when you 1st said that <pleia2> nhaines: cursing at people in ubuntu channels really isn't cool :( I understand your frustration but there are better ways to handle things * nUboon2Age palms face. MarkDude yeah and just see what kind of situation we'd be in with nathan, grant, neal and mark . <MarkDude> since then I have been at least 70%+ agreement with him- minus dropping an F-bomb <MarkDude> nUboon2Age, the factions thing does not hold water- since the shake up- I have apparently been in a faction with nhaines and Flannel <nUboon2Age> MarkDude: changing subjects to a productive item, could you please point me to the url of jono's thing again? <MarkDude> ? <MarkDude> np <MarkDude> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=158257237548249 <MarkDude> Also since that time- I dont think that grantbow and I have agreed on much at all <MarkDude> Yet again- the faction thing does not hold water <nUboon2Age> MarkDude: you gotta know that i am a big appreciator of most of what you contribute. i hope to see you there this evening amigo <MarkDude> I will be there <nhaines> jdeslip: You're right, and I apologize. (pleia2, you're right too, of course.) <nUboon2Age> i hope i can make it too MarkDude <MarkDude> Not your fault btw nUboon2Age - <iheartubuntu> factions? in ubuntu-us-ca? <nUboon2Age> iheartubuntu: :-) <nUboon2Age> MarkDude: ty and i hope to see ya later mi amigo * MarkDude motions to the council folks if anyone wants to point fingers. You cant act as heavy handed as happened- and *NOT* expect some sort of pushback, along with others feeeling the need to step back a bit. If participation involves risking a public callout- along with the whole public shame deal <iheartubuntu> im more of a fraction, than a faction :) <nUboon2Age> i'm out for now... <MarkDude> ttyl nUboon2Age <pleia2> MarkDude: I'm afraid I'm not understanding how this is ongoing pushback from the changes the LC made, it mostly sounds like people are taking things *far* too personally * MarkDude wants to do his best Al Pacino impersonation now http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=1722 <MarkDude> You're out of order, you are out of order * MarkDude is not taking anything here personally <MarkDude> yes pleia2 I remember saying the reaction here *actually* had the result of polarization <MarkDude> that was the word I believe Drew meant <MarkDude> He was correct in that <pleia2> I don't think grantbow or nhaines meant for their emails to be insulting, they asked questions about the content, it was not personal <MarkDude> Ok <MarkDude> Others may be seeing something that may not even exist <MarkDude> Again, polarization <pleia2> and this polarization has existed for a very long time in this team <MarkDude> Some of it has changed tho <pleia2> I think those of us who are here and regularly talking need to give each other a break and try to move forward <pleia2> it will go a long way to help if we let things slide from time to time and don't assume the worst of each other <MarkDude> Like for example- my being polarized to agree with 2 of the 4 bad folks <nUboon2Age> pleia2: +++ <seidos> good morning all <pleia2> morning seidos <seidos> yeah, i guess there isn't much good about it <iheartubuntu> guten tag! <MarkDude> true pleia2 , but, people are still aware that they are at risk of being censured- that lesson was very obvious <MarkDude> nonsense seidos it is a great morning <seidos> buenas iheartubuntu <pleia2> MarkDude: risk of being censured? <seidos> may it be so MarkDude <nUboon2Age> From UbuntuOne irc channel: <nUboon2Age> <nUboon2Age> joshoover: i'm confused. is it bad for me to have fwd your note on Windows beta to Ubuntu-california e-mail list? i thought it was a public beta. did i get that wrong? many apologies if so. <nUboon2Age> [09:13] <joshuahoover> nUboon2Age: no, no heatherjohnson@example.com're going to open it up completely on tuesday anyway...we figured people would start sharing the link sooner anyway :) <MarkDude> Yes. putting of names on bad lists <pleia2> nUboon2Age: advertising a private beta is very bad form, I don't think nhaines meant any personal offense when he replied to your email <pleia2> presumably it's private for a reason, the ubuntu california mailing list has a lot of people on it and it's searchable by google <MarkDude> Um I dont know if I ever seen an F-bomb dropped here <pleia2> MarkDude: he apologized, it's time to move on :) <MarkDude> I mean I have seen people's parentage questioned, s-bombs , etc <nUboon2Age> pleia2: actually the point is that if he simply wanted to ask me he should have done it in private and he made several false assumption which he polluted the ML and here with. <pleia2> MarkDude: "putting names on list" was a very extreme case of problems brewing over several years, I don't think people are more worried now than they were before about getting into trouble <nUboon2Age> pleia2: and maybe even more importantly the extremely aggressive tone he took in all of the above belied his negative intent. <MarkDude> pleia2, GK does have some very active FOSS folks in it <pleia2> nUboon2Age: I think you're application of "extremely aggressive tone" is misplaced <MarkDude> Ask them what they think could happen here <pleia2> you're taking it personally :( <MarkDude> pleia2, is very right about that <pleia2> he even used "please" <pleia2> "Can you please explain why you forwarded an invitation to a closed public beta for Ubuntu One to an open list?" <pleia2> I don't read that as aggressive at all <MarkDude> Its artificially polarized- its not permanent by any eans <nUboon2Age> pleia2: we could go back line by line and see just how harsh his tone was from the beginning, both on e-mail and here <nUboon2Age> pleia2: but as i say <MarkDude> We can UNpolarize it- by just taking a step back <pleia2> nUboon2Age: at some point you need to step back and let go of the past :( it's really hurting us here, we need to move forward and stop assuming everything is an attack, it was a good question <MarkDude> nUboon2Age, step back and realize that most people in his position would most likely not be happy with you <nUboon2Age> pleia2: if he had good intent he would have done it in private. obviously he had negative intent even before dropping the fbomb <MarkDude> regarding how the council stuff went <pleia2> nUboon2Age: I had the same question, it's good that it was asked on list <nUboon2Age> pleia2: asking a question: good! asking it with agreesive tone: very bad and very unUbuntu. gotta run... <pleia2> in this case it's not a big deal that the public beta was leaked, but it can certainly paint you as untrustworthy for future betas * pleia2 sighs <MarkDude> eff you, and you and you too :D * MarkDude is kidding <MarkDude> The common thread here is that people dont like their time wasted <seidos> people should learn how to skim emails maybe <jdeslip> True enough, so let's call this incident closed; so we can all go back to playing World of Goo... <pleia2> and angry birds <seidos> most of the stuff that comes on planet ubuntu is a waste of time for me, but i'm sure others might benefit from it. * MarkDude suggests that it may take a bit of time for this whole *stand down* to fully take place <jdeslip> pleia2: do you have the new christmas edition? <MarkDude> How the hell did I take a step over to *reasonable land* <pleia2> jdeslip: nope <seidos> MarkDude, like you said, it's a great morning <pleia2> MarkDude: yeah, I think it'll just take time * MarkDude is used to Lyz saying stuff to me about mellowing out :) <pleia2> and a lot of reminding each other that we need to forgive and try to move on and all that * MarkDude agrees <jdeslip> Does anyone know what the policy is about installing paid software from the SC on different computers you own? * MarkDude 's bringing it up is meant to acknowledge it - and ultimately let it be water under the bridge <MarkDude> jdeslip, um If not look on torrent sites <MarkDude> :D <jdeslip> I see there is an option on my desktop to install my previous purchases. Just wondering if it is against the license. <pleia2> jdeslip: there is proably copyright info in the docs? * MarkDude is slightly nervous about the pay for app solution <MarkDude> I mean when is mp3 going to be pay only <pleia2> for important things there will always be a free option in the open source world, someone will build it <MarkDude> It appears to be an Applization going on- <seidos> sharing is caring <MarkDude> seidos, I agree with the CareBears menatality <MarkDude> That is how I often describe FOSS to folks <seidos> MarkDude, who was the care bear with the clover? i think he was my favorite one. <MarkDude> Luck bear? * MarkDude 's sister had them <pleia2> I don't actually have an objection to paid software, if someone feels they need to get paid to make something that's fine with me, not everyone can have awesome job like me where I can work on foss at work :) <seidos> gah, i'll look it up. <seidos> i used to watch the cartoon <pleia2> and if it helps bring better software to ubuntu and convert more people - great! * MarkDude does not object to the idea <MarkDude> Slippery slope.... <MarkDude> It does create a wider gulf between Ubuntu and Fedora <pleia2> yeah, I don't think I buy the slippery slope argument <MarkDude> When they say free, they mean it * jdeslip is really glad I can get World of Goo in SC instead of having to hunt it down on web <MarkDude> unless you want the whole package- in which case- you need to pay RH :) <pleia2> yeah, but there they have redhat (paid) and fedora (free), on the ubuntu side there is just ubuntu so there is a concession <pleia2> I tend to prefer the ubuntu approach, of course :) <pleia2> anyway, work time <MarkDude> True. The transition from Ubuntu free to paid- is much easier than Fedora to RH <akk> One possible slippery slope (though I'm all for having pay sw as well as free) is that communities that have a lot of pay software also tend not to have open source -- their freeware is binary freeware. <MarkDude> 2 differing distros <jdeslip> I think part of being open means you have to give your users the choice installing paid apps if they want. <akk> Having pay software options is great as long as you still encourage open source and make it seem like the default. <MarkDude> akk +1 <MarkDude> Fine line, and NO it has not been crossed * akk has been learning about Android these past few days, and getting frustrated at all the free-not-Free apps that *almost* do what I want, and if only I had the source so I could make that last little tweak ... * MarkDude is still looking at that line <MarkDude> No doubt akk * MarkDude is nervous about ZA selling an Android tablet <MarkDude> We want to have sources available <akk> I've wondered about that too, MarkDude. <akk> Too bad no one sells pure Linux tablets. <jdeslip> akk: a lot of android apps are open-source, too. Mine heatherjohnson@example.com. :) <pleia2> MarkDude: ZA will be releasing the source, right? <pleia2> B&N did a lousy job with their Nook <akk> jdeslip: I've seen a few, but I've found it quite hard to find them. Is there a good repository of opensource android apps? <pleia2> and you'd be hard pressed to find the source for any of the dozens of cheapo tablets out there <MarkDude> pleia2, it appears that way <iheartubuntu> Im worried some programs like GIMP, shotwell, Midori, etc might one day go for a fee. <MarkDude> We still are not 100% sure we will do it <iheartubuntu> Stuff I need/use <iheartubuntu> my bottom line is better because I use Ubuntu/linux OS <MarkDude> This is under frieNDA <akk> iheartubuntu: GIMP is a long long way from doing that -- it'll be one of the last to go that way. But I agree, some projects might. <pleia2> iheartubuntu: the source would still be available so there would be forks, I don't really worry about that sort of thing <iheartubuntu> im also more productive with a linux box instead of fighting viruses and pop up stuff on windows <MarkDude> akk http://zareason.com/shop/Submit-Action-Shots.html <iheartubuntu> if all the benefits of linux eventually disappear, then it wont matter what OS i use <jdeslip> MarkDude: the core of android is open-source. certain google apps are not. <pleia2> MarkDude: yay it's fixed! <jdeslip> exit <akk> MarkDude: lol <3 <MarkDude> After I did the perspective on the words on that poster- I thought of you akk <akk> Android is opensource, but I gather that device drivers for specific devices typically aren't? <iheartubuntu> but im on ubuntu #1 for my bottom line and #2 so i dont fund bill gates and his minions <nhaines> Since we're fond of recording things here, I asked for an Ubuntu One for Windows beta slot for a magazine article, and I had to be cleared by Cristian Parrino (directory of Online Service for Canonical). They told me how many invites were going out and that they were going to stagger it out as needed, basically like they'd done for earlier betas they've done. <iheartubuntu> and #3 because of the community <akk> Like sheevaplugs -- you can build a kernel for them, you just can't build a kernel that can do wifi. <jdeslip> akk: ya, device drivers are not. That is true even of most Ubuntu Video card and wireless drivers though <pleia2> nhaines: thank you <nhaines> so when I saw the ML email, I was surprised and concerned. I didn't (and usually don't) have any personal attack in mind, and if it hadn't been a closed beta I *would* have asked privately. <nhaines> But I'm glad he went and got clarification from the U1 team and that there's no damage done. <nhaines> And I also hope we all knock this one out so they can go and do the Ubuntu One photos app for mobile. :P <pleia2> u1 photo app would be nice <MarkDude> Its all good nhaines. You do lots of good stuff for the TEam and FOSS in general :) <jdeslip> nhaines: thanks for the clarification. Do you use the u1 music app by the way? <nhaines> I've been using the WD Photos app for Android for the My Book World/Live/ShareSpace NAS devices and I absolutely want a open source cloud-based one. :) <nhaines> jdeslip: I betaed it, am going to subscribe this weekend. :) It's awesome. <jdeslip> I have to admit I am too big a fan of dropbox and the dropbox android app right now to give u1 much of a try. <jdeslip> I may use it just for that music purpose though <MarkDude> U1 wont really be a viable option until Windows is supported <MarkDude> IMO <jdeslip> which is next tuesday for public beta apparent ;) <nhaines> The third-party U1 file app is great, but it's not at dropbox levels. <jdeslip> I didn't even know there was a file app. *goes to have a look <nhaines> jdeslip: Not sure if AndroidU1 is in the market or not. It was a Google Summer of Code project. <pleia2> looks like just ubuntu one music and ubuntu one contacts <jdeslip> Ah. I see. <jdeslip> Lots of Ubuntu Theme apps are available... <iheartubuntu> Today is my Friday Giveaway on my personal blog. Im giving away Baker Creek Seeds (actually a gift cert), so if you want to enter I will post the link in the offtopic chat. Seidos? MarkDude? :) <MarkDude> Sounds good- Im interested <iheartubuntu> ok, i posted a link in the offtopic <MarkDude> Cool ty <jussi> you know, christmas edition of angry birds reminds me of the christmas edition of lemmings.... <jussi> hey, wait... is there lemmings for android? * jussi goes to look <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/10December05 edited <MarkDude> http://sonyrumors.net/2010/12/03/looking-for-a-new-staff-member/ <MarkDude> Sony is hiring... an intern <pleia2> that was neat until you get to the intern part :) <akk> also it looks like it's sonyrumors that's hiring, not sony <MarkDude> My bad- hiring is a vague word here <MarkDude> Get paid nothing- to make up crap about Sony.... sign me up :D <pleia2> lol <seidos> it's good luck bear, apparently, not luck bear. #ubuntu-us-ca 2010-12-04 <iheartubuntu> seidos... im doing a contest on my blog if youre interested (for seeds) <seidos> iheartubuntu, do the seeds work in san francisco's climate? <iheartubuntu> u can pick your own <seidos> i heart some stuff doesn't work so great here <seidos> i have your blog on my rss feeds, did you already post it? <iheartubuntu> and the winner is seidos! Congrats. <seidos> \o/ <seidos> seeeeds <moebius> Well, hello anybody <jdeslip> hello moebius <jdeslip> Friday night is not so busy :) <dragon> everyone's at Jono's Band performance? <jdeslip> Apparently. I no MarkDude is at least from his facebook messages. <dragon> yes, I was supposed to, but I had a change of plans at the last moment <dragon> and SF is kind of far. <dragon> s/supposed/seriously planning/ <pleia2> company holiday party for me, 'tis the season :) <MarkDude> Jono's show was epic! * MarkDude has video he will post #ubuntu-us-ca 2010-12-05 <crashsystems> Anyone planning to go to the ubuntu hour event on thursday, the 9th? <dragon> crashsystems: in San Jose? I'll probably attend that one. <crashsystems> I'm planning on it. I didn't see anyone on the event page though. <pleia2> meeting tonight, jtatum and I got a demo website up that we'll show off then :) <pleia2> Agenda, in case anyone wants to add to it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/10December05 <akk> Thanks for the pre-announcement! I always forget when meetings are happening. <pleia2> sure <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/10December05 edited <MarkDude> Dangerous G- telling about how he got his name >> http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=473928883804 <pleia2> there is more than "markdude made me"> <pleia2> ? <pleia2> :) <MarkDude> We were on the way to Jono's show <pleia2> haha <MarkDude> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-sRJHx3Qoo <<< LOUD MUSIC <pleia2> you know, I thought I'd miss the east when holidays came and it was still warm out, but everyone here bundles up when it gets down to 50F out, so it actually isn't really phasing me, it kinda feels like winter :) <pleia2> plus there is ice skating at union square! <MarkDude> Just enough- without the snow <pleia2> yeah <MarkDude> pleia2, the other night there was drag night <MarkDude> they were also racing- yep they call them drag races :D * MarkDude is serious, really <pleia2> oh my :) <pleia2> I certainly never will get bored out here <MarkDude> Nope * pleia2 testing battery life of zareason laptop <pleia2> down to the last 15 minutes <MarkDude> Cool. <MarkDude> See if you can run powertop on it- and improve the battery time * MarkDude has tried on a few of our machines <pleia2> yeah, this first test is "standard usage" <MarkDude> It does not help that much on the machines I tried <MarkDude> pleia2, you are a quick reviewer <pleia2> which means wifi, full brightness, even tried a DVD for 10 minutes (that ate the battery like mad) <MarkDude> You will be a able to review another machine soon that way <pleia2> next I'll try just DVD, then maybe I'll try a few goes with powertop and things <pleia2> haha <pleia2> I just love computers :) <akk> :) * MarkDude is still trying to collect lent out machines from others <outofjungle> MarkDude, i got a stuffed penguin for you :) <MarkDude> Yay * MarkDude does the extra happy dance <pleia2> well, I got 2 hours and 45 minutes <pleia2> not bad :) * MarkDude forgot how big of a machine that thing is <pleia2> well, I think it's huge <pleia2> over twice the size of my mini9 <MarkDude> It can render video nicely <pleia2> oh yeah <MarkDude> Everything is working well I hope <pleia2> yep :) <MarkDude> Cool <MarkDude> outofjungle, Im always stoked about penguin stuff <outofjungle> Yeah, i figured :) I'll give it to you the next time i see you <MarkDude> Good deal. <MarkDude> Are you coming to the Partimus party on the 15th? <MarkDude> phildini, I was hoping to ask you a question <dragon> I won't be at the meeting tonight - driving to SF for a family reunion <dragon> Have some extra fun on my behalf <dragon> I'll follow the logs later. <phildini> sure thing markdude. shoot. <phildini> although later might work better. about to go to a concert. #ubuntu-us-ca 2010-12-06 <pleia2> jtatum: will you be around for the meeting? <jtatum> pleia2, aye <pleia2> cool <jdeslip> Good evening everyone :) <pleia2> evening, jdeslip <jdeslip> I had a nice relaxing weekend - putting up lights :) <pleia2> we just lit the 5th night of candles \o/ <jdeslip> Nice <pleia2> I had some errands to run this weekend, but it was mostly pretty mellow <jdeslip> I am not religious at all, but I really like the season <pleia2> me neither, but my boyfriend is jewish <pleia2> he vetoed the secular tree, so i decorated my desk ;) <jdeslip> lol <jdeslip> Everyone can celebrate festivus at least <pleia2> hehe, yeah * pleia2 starts shopping for poles <jdeslip> One of my friends has a festivus party every year. Includes feats of strength and airing of greivances. <pleia2> nice <pleia2> I think we'll come up to berkeley lug on sunday <jdeslip> Awesome! BTW, with *any* luck, I'll be at the Ubuntu hour this week. Class is out, so I don't have to teach my Wednesday session! <pleia2> shame I decided to do the debian thing every *other* month <pleia2> should probably see if any ubuntu hour people want to do dinner anyway though <jdeslip> Ya, perhaps we could have an Ubuntu holiday party of sorts. <jdeslip> I.e. dinner and/or drinks after <pleia2> yeah, that's a good idea <pleia2> thirsty bear is right there <pleia2> drinks and tapas :) <pleia2> ooh, I'll bring the zareason laptop I'm reviewing too <jdeslip> Sounds good to me <crashsystems> I'll likely be at the Jan Jose ubuntu hour on Thursday :D <jtatum> great! see you there <crashsystems> San Jose* <grantbow> I think I caught lyz's cold <crashsystems> Btw, does anyone going on thursday happen to have a ThinkPad x201 or similar model of thinkpad? <pleia2> I haven't even seen you! <grantbow> lol, I know <pleia2> evening, grantbow :) <grantbow> evening :) <pleia2> I think someone here recently got a thinkpad <akk> I have an x201, but not sure if I'll be there on Thursday. <jdeslip> Long time no see on here grantbow <crashsystems> akk: if by chance you do go, would you mind bring it with you? <jdeslip> grantbow - you going to be better by Wednesday for the Ubuntu hour + dinner? <akk> Will do, crashsystems <crashsystems> thanks <akk> Oh, wait, this Thursday? No, sorry, I definitely won't be there. <crashsystems> ok <akk> Indoor flying in sunnyvale. <crashsystems> as a side note, Firefox 4 + Firefox on Android == Win <akk> I'll be at the Mountain View one the following Thursday, though. <crashsystems> indoor flying? <akk> Most likely. <grantbow> jdeslip, I am heatherjohnson@example.com on Wednesdays after partimus.org at Mission Beacon <akk> crashsystems: Little model airplanes. <crashsystems> is that kinda like falling but forgetting you are falling? <crashsystems> oh, ok <MarkDude> Sorry phildini - I was just curious why my Twitter list you put me on is *not-woot*- How can I get on a woot list? <MarkDude> :) <pleia2> ok, meeting time! <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/10December05 <pleia2> we didn't put announcements on the agenda, but maybe that should be a standing first or last agenda item <jdeslip> First is as good a time as any <pleia2> ok, announcements! <grantbow> Alpha 1 is out <grantbow> 11.04 Alpha 1 <pleia2> alpha 1 info: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-December/000793.html * MarkDude is looking for a caterer in the Bay for CLSwest on Jan 15th- suggestions can be mailed to me heatherjohnson@example.com <pleia2> we have several upcoming ubuntu hours around the state, all heatherjohnson@example.com/teams/ubuntu-california <MarkDude> I am the dinner coordinator for the event- We already have 2 people reserved for doing a Tea Ceremony <pleia2> cool <eps> What is CLSwest? <pleia2> http://www.communityleadershipsummit.com/wiki/index.php/CLS_West <akk> Also, time is running out for talk proposals for SCALE -- I think there's a week left, if anybody's thinking about speaking there. <pleia2> in daly city <jledbetter> Hope to attend SCALE for sure <DarkwingDuck> Sorry I'm late <MarkDude> Yay scale effin rocks <pleia2> scale cfp is on socallinuxexpo.org <pleia2> ok, any more announcements? <MarkDude> Partimus Fundraiser Dec 15th also <pleia2> MarkDude: yep, that's the first agenda item :) <pleia2> we'll get to that once we finish announcements <pleia2> which it seems like we've done <pleia2> ok <dragonoid> Please ping me if there's voting at any time. <pleia2> Partimus Fundraiser Dec 15th. Helping put FOSS in Schools. Update on activities and upcoming plans. <pleia2> MarkDude: I think this is your agenda item, the floor is yours :) <MarkDude> 15th we will have a party at one of the schools that Christian helps <MarkDude> They help provide computer labs to kids in SF and oakland <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Partimus is the team page about the project <MarkDude> grantbow, can say something about all the good stuff the labs do <MarkDude> If he would. He has been helping with it for a while <grantbow> I look forward to seeing people there <pleia2> this discusses the event itself and has registration info: http://partimus.org/fundraising_event_2010.php <MarkDude> If you cant pay to get in- you are still invited <pleia2> yeah, there is a free ticket option <grantbow> right <pleia2> anything else? <MarkDude> And if you are elsewhere nd cant make it- you can donate <MarkDude> too <MarkDude> Yes, if you have any hardware that can be donated that works bring it <MarkDude> let me know ahead of time <grantbow> I think that's all, I'd be happy to answer question afterward <pleia2> ah yes, the hardware reqs are here: http://partimus.org/donate.php <pleia2> (scroll down a bit) <MarkDude> If you just have parts- they can also be donated to GK <MarkDude> Again- contact me- or Dangerous G <MarkDude> Thats it :) <pleia2> ok cool <pleia2> Next agenda item: Website progress update and DEMO! <pleia2> ok, this is the fun part :) <pleia2> jtatum and I worked these past couple weeks to get a demo main site up on the linode <DarkwingDuck> +1 <pleia2> we haven't updated DNS yet, we wanted to come to a meeting and see what people thought, so to view it you can edit: /etc/hosts <pleia2> and add this line: <pleia2> (502)257-5948 ubuntu-california.org * MarkDude wants it ALL in Flash, with an intro that takes a few minutes to upload, can I add that to the potential list ? :D <jdeslip> nano /etc/hosts <pleia2> you'll have to use sudo <jtatum> sudo nano :) <jdeslip> ... wrong window <jdeslip> (and yes missing the sudo) <crashsystems> "The home page would go here. Yes, indeedy." <pleia2> crashsystems: woo! <AndIrc_> I can't edit etc hosts on my phone :( <pleia2> yeah, so once you have that done, navigate to ubuntu-california.org in your web browser <jledbetter> nice home page text :D <pleia2> I also took a screenshot: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/ubuntu-california-website-120510.png <pleia2> AndIrc_: it's large, sorry :( <pleia2> we installed wordpress and then used the community developed wordpress theme <jtatum> i wrote the home page text. pleia2 did the heavy lifting <jdeslip> Very pretty <pleia2> hey, you got the theme installed :) <jledbetter> jtatum, I shoulda guessed ;) <DarkwingDuck> pretty <jdeslip> (one nitpic - add more space after team before the orange ends) <crashsystems> orange > brown <pleia2> maybe just drop "Team"? <grantbow> Team is important <pleia2> ok <eps> Or a non-breaking space between California and Team <grantbow> as in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams <akk> Wrapping "Team" does look strange, though. * MarkDude hopes the lack of penguins is just an oversight <AndIrc_> No need to repeat "ubuntu" twice before"california team" (logo) <eps> Maybe just delete the second Ubuntu <pleia2> "California Team" <akk> Good point, the second Ubuntu doesn't need to be there <jledbetter> can just move it to the left and span with white space of none <MarkDude> +1 getting rid of 2nd ubuntu <akk> assuming that the ubuntu logo above it has alt text of "Ubuntu" for accessibility <pleia2> jtatum: I am not sure where that text is in the theme, wanna update it? <jledbetter> But css design by committee is crazy :) <jtatum> updated <AndIrc_> Ah, I am erichammond in disguise. <grantbow> lol <pleia2> oh, hi erichammond :) <jdeslip> Hurray another android user <pleia2> ok, how does that look? <pleia2> (thanks jtatum!) <jdeslip> beautiful! <pleia2> we probably want our cute bear logo down in the body text somewhere <jdeslip> This is officially the most productive meeting ever ;) <pleia2> we have an "about" page but we might get rid of the "about" page and move the text to the main page <pleia2> or change the main page to the "blog" but we haven't decided whether we actually want a blog <pleia2> (one more place to update, ugh!) <jledbetter> Might want to beware of everything having its own tab. Very tight. Maybe lump up stuff more? <jdeslip> It seems like the planet would mostly supplaint
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