#ubuntu-us-mi 2011-05-01 <snap-l> ebarch: Thank you. :) <rick_h__> how goes the festivities? <snap-l> 'twas good <snap-l> Didn't go to many panels, but the ones that I was part of <rick_h__> cool <snap-l> Though we went to the first-half of the Smithee awards <snap-l> bad movie clips with a voting component <snap-l> Worst Monster, Worst Special Effect <rick_h__> hah, nice <snap-l> Yeah, a lot of fun <snap-l> Talked with tjagoda <rick_h__> uh oh, you guys get him some help? <snap-l> Heh, nah <snap-l> Just asked if he used the tablet to check on RIM's stock price <snap-l> That was the worst I dished out. :) <rick_h__> hah, good stuff <rick_h__> hopefully he's not an owner of too much of that stuff <snap-l> heh <snap-l> Back <rick_h__> party! <snap-l> Yeah, I'm a bit tired. :) <snap-l> Lots of goodies from the con, though <snap-l> and some good info <rick_h__> very cool <snap-l> Now catching up on e-mmail <rick_h__> man, my sql-fu is hitting a wall <rick_h__> anyone have a clue for the opposite of in() where I want something more like all() or something? <Blazeix> most DBs do have some sort of 'all' statement, but I've never used it. <snap-l> I think you have to nest it perhaps? <rick_h__> it's a mess, thought I almost had it but meh <rick_h__> I found some page on relational divisino <snap-l> select * from blah where id in (select id from blah) <snap-l> or some shit like that <rick_h__> yea, http://paste.mitechie.com/show/304/ works to get me the id of the one I want <rick_h__> but trying to represent it without the subquery: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/305/ <rick_h__> that's not coming out right <snap-l> I'm not sure how you can do it without the subquery. <snap-l> pindboard? <rick_h__> just happened to be an exmaple from the set that worked <rick_h__> trying to get all bookmarks with all of the tags specified <rick_h__> there's one with the tags hosting and pinboard <rick_h__> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/306/ these two queries should be equiv? <snap-l> believe so <rick_h__> oh lol <rick_h__> misread the typo there <rick_h__> right, no d there <rick_h__> oh crap I think I've got it <rick_h__> bwuhahahahaha <snap-l> rick_h__: What was the problem? <rick_h__> just a matter of getting the query put together right <rick_h__> was missing a join condition I thought it was going to do auto for me <snap-l> Ah, that makes sense <rick_h__> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/307/ <rick_h__> :) <snap-l> nice! <rick_h__> ugh things are getting messy, but at least now has tag filter bar, completion of tag names as you type, and ajax results <snap-l> I'm sure it'll get cleaned up soon <rick_h__> yea, working to get things ready for MUG <snap-l> There were 64 people in the Natty Panel <snap-l> 19 max in the Podcasting talk <snap-l> Pretty happy about that. <rick_h__> yea, sounds like it went pretty well <TeamXlink> lol <TeamXlink> http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1304287882105.jpg #ubuntu-us-mi 2011-05-02 <snap-l> Hmm... natty runs like crap in a Virtualbox vm <snap-l> I'd love to know why gnome settings is completely hung as well <snap-l> Ugh, the compiz settings don't work with UNity 2D <snap-l> I guess that shouldn't come as a surprise, but it is disappointing <jjesse> snap-l i've seen a couple of posts on planet.ubuntu.com on using vbox and unity <snap-l> Yeah, i saw one that brousch shared, but nothing seems to work very well for me. <jjesse> president speaking tonight on national security, rumors are we killed osma bin laden <Blazeix> msnbc is confirming the rumor <jjesse> pretty crazy on twitter right now <_stink_> crap, really? <jjesse> yup <jjesse> confirmed by a ton of different sources <jjesse> and we have the body <jjesse> his wikipedia page has been updated all ready w/ death <_stink_> wow <Blazeix> it also appears it was US ground forces responsible for it. <jjesse> suprised twitter hasn't blown up yet <jjesse> pretty impressive <ebarch> snap-l: i was just trying to get ubuntu classic 11.04 to run decently in virtualbox...doesn't even want to use the ambiance theme properly... <Blazeix> ah, http://www.whitehouse.gov/live is staring <Blazeix> s/staring/starting/ <snap-l> Well, that's a bombshell <wolfger> morning <rick_h__> party <wolfger> still? You didn't get enough at Penguicon? <rick_h__> heh, didn't stay at PC long enough I guess to get it out of me <brousch> you went to pcon? <rick_h__> I was there for the release party <brousch> see any furries <brousch> other than snap-l? <rick_h__> one 'cat', but sure if it was furries or not <wolfger> I, surprisingly, saw no furries at all <wolfger> of course, I was not there during masquerade, and did not really do any partying <wolfger> I'm getting old, and was unable to stay up partying all night :-p <brousch> sad <tameek_> Morning all. Just wanted to quickly introduce myself. My name is Tameek. I moved to Michigan about a year ago. Comptia Linux+ certified, work as a support analyst. Love wine, and recycling. I've been using Linux for about 4 years off and on. I run Ubuntu in a vm. <ColonelPanic001> hi <ColonelPanic001> I'm ColonelPanic001. I sit and BS on IRC. <brousch> hi, I'm Ben. I sit on IRC and make fun of ColonelPanic001 for BSing <tameek_> lol <wolfger> Hi. I'm wolfger. I kvetch and troll and generally try to be funny (and sometimes even succeed) <wolfger> now do you love "wine" or "WINE". Significant difference there.... ;-) <ColonelPanic001> I like whine. <brousch> you obviously don't have a kid <tameek_> wine <wolfger> of course... I'm slow in processing this morning. Would be kind of silly to use WINE when running Ubuntu in a vm <brousch> unless that VM is running on osx <wolfger> true <wolfger> I make an assumption that the primary system is Windows. i could be wrong <snap-l> Hello, I'm snap-l. I sit on IRC and make random and sarcastic comments about just about anything. Oh, and I work with computers. :) <ColonelPanic001> nerd <wolfger> geek <snap-l> (wrote that one time for my high school alumni questionaire: "works with computers" <snap-l> It was pretty funny sandwiched between the other ones that were waxing eloquent on their jobs and families. <tameek_> :-) <snap-l> But, yes... welcome to #ubuntu-us-mi <snap-l> Make davidhull@example.net. There's chips and dip on the table. <wolfger> I liked the 3-bullet resume for the "writing bad code" panel on Sunday... can't remember exactly how it went, but it was like, "1) I write code, 2) I've worked for some companies, 3) I've written some software" <tameek_> Thanks! Yes, primary system is Windows 7 <tameek_> dual monitor with Ubuntu/VM <snap-l> wolfger: I so didn't want to miss that panel. :) <snap-l> rick_h__: You weren't trying hard enough to see furries at Penguicon <rick_h__> snap-l: no, that was intentinoal <snap-l> There was at least two that I saw <snap-l> Not sure about the cat ears / tail thing, though <rick_h__> I had my back to most of the hotel during the event <snap-l> if that's a "furry", then I saw a myriad more <rick_h__> yea, that cat ears/tail seems a bit light for full furri-level <rick_h__> might just be "i'm cute pay attention to me" <snap-l> rick_h__: Aw, that's the fun of it. seeing things that you can't un-see. <snap-l> The whole "are you going to see Rocky Horror picture show, or the drag show, or ... ?" <rick_h__> so I sent an angry email with a lot of links to my benefits company that sent me my password in email <rick_h__> that was fun <ColonelPanic001> half the reason I like pcon is the general weird stuff I can't see normally. Doesn't matter if I'm "into it" or not. <ColonelPanic001> rick_h__: good <wolfger> 3 people came to "bad code" on Sunday who evidently participated in the drag show. Or should have.... <wolfger> actually, I can only say for sure two of them were.... the third was either legitimately female, or did a really damn good job. <ColonelPanic001> it happens. <rick_h__> grumble, and about to send a nasty one to att <snap-l> wolfger: There were a few folks that were doing some good Genesis P-orridge transformations <rick_h__> snap-l: you need to tell jody to be careful <rick_h__> if I wasn't tired, I could have had a lot of fun with her steamroller tweet <snap-l> Heh <ColonelPanic001> o.o <snap-l> She knows onl a handful of people read her twitter stream <ColonelPanic001> no such thing <snap-l> and do you really want JoDee on your bad side? :) <ColonelPanic001> it's twitter <rick_h__> "I got steamrolled at pcon and all I got was this t-shirt" lets the imagination run a bit wild <snap-l> She will find you. <ColonelPanic001> heh <rick_h__> lol <wolfger> steamroller? <snap-l> wolfger: Yeah, she said that she felt like she was hit by a steamroller at pcon * wolfger goes in search of JoDee's twitter account. <snap-l> http://twitter.com/#!/saganfan1/status/64700129206206465 <snap-l> http://twitter.com/#!/saganfan1/status/64171083884007425 <- I like this one <rick_h__> I didn't get that one <rick_h__> is it against the rules to talk about your research? <snap-l> Nah, you can talk about it all you want <snap-l> just funny that folks would talk about their research while drunk <snap-l> it's like talking about the deeper parts of your work while drunk <ColonelPanic001> not if they find it interesting. <snap-l> True <ColonelPanic001> btw, anyone else?: https://twitter.com/#!/0x241/status/64342179551776769 <snap-l> A little. Looks more like Sauron's ballroom to me <ColonelPanic001> hah, also can see that <rick_h__> damn, where's tjagoda when you need him <rick_h__> or however his nick is spelled, I need my tab completion <rick_h__> darn-non-idlers <snap-l> rick_h__: What did RIM do now? <rick_h__> http://www.androidcentral.com/rim-provide-enterprise-tool-secure-mangement-android-devices <rick_h__> they're completing the prophecy, turning into a software/services company <snap-l> rick_h__: So they're going the way of Palm, then. <snap-l> That doesn't surprise me, honestly. ;) <wolfger> speaking of t-shirts, what did anybody think of this year's shirts? <_stink_> oops, late to the party <_stink_> hi tameek_, i'm _stink_. i work with ColonelPanic001 and we mostly sit and BS. <snap-l> wolfger: I think they were a bundle of awesome. Had to buy one. <wolfger> snap-l: sweet. Happy to hear it. (the artist is a good friend of mine) <wolfger> the printing on the cycle's screen was my idea <snap-l> Yeah, it was pretty sweet. <tameek_> hey _stink_ <tameek_> sounds like fun <_stink_> it is <ColonelPanic001> he's lying. <_stink_> down for a nap <ColonelPanic001> for one, I work here. <_stink_> buh dum chh <greg-g> g'morning tameek_ ! Welcome to the channel. I'm Greg. I live in Ann Arbor and work at the University of Michigan Library. <_stink_> greg-g is our fearless leader. <ColonelPanic001> s/fear/beard/; <_stink_> *gasp <greg-g> not to worry, the bear is still attached <greg-g> but I will probably be trimming it tonight, just to forewarn you, _stink_. It is pretty long (ie: I can comb it, a bit), so it is about time. :) <ColonelPanic001> no <ColonelPanic001> NO <_stink_> well, i'll withhold judgement <_stink_> i am shaven myself, though. <ColonelPanic001> I'll probably trim mine soon a little <snap-l> Listening to the OMC that I davidhull@example.net. <snap-l> Should be up tomorrow <ColonelPanic001> \o/ <wolfger> snap-l: What's the weirdest thing you ever saw at CTC? <wolfger> Because I just saw a hooker carrying two golf clubs walking down the hall. <snap-l> you win <wolfger> and I think that's got to be near the top of the list <snap-l> Seriously? A hooker? <rick_h__> that likes golf? <rick_h__> no way <snap-l> Sounds like a Mindless Self INdulgence song <wolfger> well... she was headed towards the exit, and wearing a long heavy coat, but..... <snap-l> "One hooker and two golf clubs" <wolfger> stilleto heels, skin tight faux leather pants, and big hair <snap-l> wolfger: Wow <wolfger> a purse in one hand, two golf clubs in the other <snap-l> Maybe it's someone's wife? <rick_h__> little driving range practice <rick_h__> heels/leather is how I do my practice <snap-l> She was going to surprise her hubby with a round of golf. <_stink_> pics <wolfger> _stink_: no camera policy at work :-p <_stink_> of rick_h__ at the driving range :P <wolfger> LOL <wolfger> I'm not sure who worries me more... _stink_ or rick_h__ * rick_h__ breaks out the 7-iron <wolfger> and they were irons, not drivers.... <_stink_> 70% of golf shots are inside 100 yards <_stink_> smart woman <snap-l> No putter though, means she wasn't working on her short game <snap-l> She was going for distance. <rick_h__> pitching <rick_h__> must be pitching day in class <rick_h__> 9 and a SW probably <rick_h__> :P <snap-l> Either that or someone got called in to pick up some golf clubs <rick_h__> ooh, security? <_stink_> maybe she's the nanny and models herself after Fran Drescher <snap-l> In any event, that's definitely pretty high on the weirdness magnet scale <rick_h__> "unauthorized devices of fun located in 3E" <snap-l> Worst I've ever seen are people's desks at CTC <rick_h__> I'm going to have to stop listening to TWiT network stuff, going to give me high blood pressure <snap-l> the ones that look like arboretum <snap-l> rick_h__: What now? <wolfger> rick_h__: LOL <rick_h__> more of the same "what? People are suprised at the tracking on their phones? What did you expect, it's a spy device" <wolfger> snap-l: Yeah, the flora is odd, but understandable. It's hard to live in a cube farm. <wolfger> I haven't listened to TWiT in forever <wolfger> don't remember why I stopped <rick_h__> for more time to listen to lococast and OMC? <wolfger> heh <wolfger> I've got a little catching up to do on Lococast, for sure <wolfger> waiting for another scream-free edition of OMC <wolfger> love metal instrumentals, but loathe so much of the metal that has lyrics <ColonelPanic001> most death metal growling is terrible. <ColonelPanic001> but the good stuff is very good <snap-l> Yeah, it's something you get used to, rather than enjoy <snap-l> Though some of them really turn it up a notch and make it enjoyable <snap-l> There's a new Club Metal episode that I released just before Pengiucon <wolfger> Yeah, you mentioned. I still haven't gotten around to listening to it <wolfger> Sorry. When I think of "metal", I think of Led Zepplin. <wolfger> If it's not as good as them, it sucks. :-D <snap-l> wolfger: We've had over 30 years to screw with that definition. ;) <rick_h__> http://all-that-is-interesting.com/post/4956385434/the-first-zombie-proof-house <snap-l> That is awesome. <jrwren> WTF? http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Linux-Distributions/Ubuntu-Enterprise-Cloud-Natty-Narwhal-62885.shtml <rick_h__> jrwren: ? * snap-l is uploading his Penguicon pictures <jrwren> why is there a separate UEC download? <rick_h__> jrwren: because they have to provide it for dell to put on those cloud servers they're selling <rick_h__> http://content.dell.com/us/en/enterprise/by-need-it-productivity-data-center-change-response-ubuntu-cloud.aspx <jrwren> oh, interesting. <jrwren> but how is it different than just ubuntu server? <rick_h__> preconfigured basically <rick_h__> it's like how you can choose on install time you want a lamp server <jrwren> i see. <rick_h__> so it does the installs/setup for you vs you getting into the fresh system and doing the apt-get install XXX <snap-l> https://picasaweb.google.com/craigmaloney/Penguicon2011# * rick_h__ is afraid to click <rick_h__> snap-l: oh, loved jcastro's blog post with the pic lol <ColonelPanic001> https://picasaweb.google.com/craigmaloney/Penguicon2011#5602144130086252498 <ColonelPanic001> I am a growth on snap-l's head <_stink_> haha <_stink_> yes <rick_h__> http://www.mister-wong.com/payments/upgrade/ hah <rick_h__> so who's leaving bookie to pay $2/mo for your 10 bookmarks <ColonelPanic001> ...10? wtf would you bother? <ColonelPanic001> I had something 300 on delicious <ColonelPanic001> which admittedly needs some pruning, but stull <rick_h__> 300? wow that's light <ColonelPanic001> oh, nm. 496 <rick_h__> lol, I'm testing bookie with 16,000 <rick_h__> and my site is 1,600 <ColonelPanic001> I haven't been using it as much in the last year or two, that's part of it <rick_h__> you try out the FF extension yet? <ColonelPanic001> I haven't even set up a server end for it yet. Must do that <ColonelPanic001> was going to get started on this yesterday, instead was lazy and just "recovered" <rick_h__> yea, well warning working on releasing 0.2 on MUG <snap-l> https://picasaweb.google.com/craigmaloney/Penguicon2011#5602144289748266514 <rick_h__> so install will have an upgrade shortly <ColonelPanic001> \o/ <rick_h__> great, I sneak into you photos <snap-l> https://picasaweb.google.com/craigmaloney/Penguicon2011#5602143548380050258 <- Anyone have a name for the lady on the left? <snap-l> I think it's Mary, but I'm not 100% sure <rick_h__> strange lady that comes to each release part <rick_h__> party? <jrwren> that penguicon restaurant looks swank. <snap-l> Yeah, it was an update from last year <jrwren> 64pople in the natty panel? was it a positive crowd? or haters? <snap-l> Mostly positive <snap-l> though a lot of undecided <rick_h__> that's fair though <snap-l> It wasn't nearly as caustic as one might think <brousch> same experience i had <snap-l> yeah, welcoming change is not natural <snap-l> but I definitely want to check out lenses <snap-l> rick_h__: I think the point on TWiT is that you're carrying around a radio. You can triangulate on any radio broadcast <snap-l> expectig 100% while broadcasting is foolish <snap-l> 100% privacy, rather <rick_h__> snap-l: right, but comparing it like that drives me bonkers <rick_h__> "law enforcement knows where you are, they can request that easily" is different than any dude that picks up my phone can see my entire travel plasn for the last 2 years <rick_h__> it's still a gaping hole that even apple says requires 3 'bug fixes' <rick_h__> and they keep playing it like "well ATT knows where you are..." <snap-l> rick_h__: And one patent application. ;) <rick_h__> so the #@$@%$ what if ATT does, I know that. I don't want it available to someone that grabs my wife's lost laptop <rick_h__> short sighted apologists imo <snap-l> Oh no doubt <jrwren> zomg... why did I stick with vmware server for so long? KVM via virt-install is soooo easy. <rick_h__> yea, kvm is supposed to be good stuff, but does it have the extras stuff for native-like graphics/etc? <rick_h__> I think that was the big hang up last time I was prepping to go the kvm route <jrwren> no, but neither does vmware server. <rick_h__> ah, ok <jrwren> i was not using vmware desktop or virtualbox. <rick_h__> gotcha <snap-l> kvm isn't too good re: video cards, though <snap-l> performance is not good (At least 6 mo ago) <rick_h__> snap-l: I think the thing that bugs me is that these guys have a huge stage and explain a lot of things to 'normal' people and when the blow it I get cranky <jrwren> perf in general, or do you mean video? <snap-l> perf <rick_h__> their coverage of the AWS stuff pissed me off because they didn't get the tech/etc right <rick_h__> jrwren: just video, supposedly good low level performance for a server or something <rick_h__> though at work we're going xen :( <rick_h__> stupid RH based systems <jrwren> "law enforcement knows where you are, they can request that easily" is also false... any idiot who watches NCIS regularly, knows that when you are on the run, you turn off your cell phone. <rick_h__> easily == pen register <rick_h__> most carries have a website police can go enter their id and look your location up <rick_h__> /carries/carriers <jrwren> libvirt confuses me with how it mixes xen, kvm and qemu. <jrwren> right, but they can't see that if your phone is off. <rick_h__> I need more tunes to cheer me up, come on cloud player <wolfger> kvm.... if it starts with a K, it's got to be good! <jrwren> and I mean OFF, like pull the bat. <rick_h__> right, but the idea is they compare police access as easy, therefore it's not a big deal to have these location leaks <wolfger> Oh, wait, that was what I *used* to say before KDE turned to suck. Nevermind. <snap-l> sorry, but if you're on the run, do not touch a cell phone <rick_h__> poor wolfger, jumps ship from kde to gnome <rick_h__> and then gets reamed again via gnome3/unity <wolfger> LOL <wolfger> I'm just biding my time. E17 will hit 1.0 one of these days.... <jrwren> e17 might as well be 1.0. <jrwren> it ships in production on some samsung phones. <jrwren> so far perf in kvm seems very good. <wolfger> Really? Which ones? <jrwren> I'm not sure, but the main e guy - is that rasterman - has been working for samsung for a whiel. <jrwren> http://www.rasterman.com/ <jrwren> oh, my bad... maybe it is not out. <snap-l> Yay! Got my order from Robot shop in the mail. <snap-l> Beginners kit. Got a bunch more sensors, and a case to put them in <snap-l> as well as a LCD screen <rick_h__> yay, robot time <wolfger> woohoo <snap-l> Plus I have post-Penguicon energy. <snap-l> It's a win-win-win-win <rick_h__> Blazeix: ping, do you use dropbox on arch? <brousch> snap-l: interesting, the guy in black in the middle of this photo is from my side of the state. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-HwfT7g4eo2U/Tb7SAbuFaqI/AAAAAAAABN0/SRtsYDQdn_A/s720/img_3187.jpg <snap-l> Heh <gamerchick02> cool, snap-l. <snap-l> Thank you. :) <Blazeix> rick_h__: yeah, think I have the aur package installed <rick_h__> k, yea I got the userspace one going <rick_h__> I had issues with just the normal dropboxd <rick_h__> thanks <rick_h__> actually kind of cool: http://www.hilarymason.com/blog/how-to-get-a-random-line-from-a-file-in-bash/ <snap-l> That's awesome <Blazeix> how about sed -n "$(($RANDOM % $(sed -n '$=' test.txt)))p" test.txt <Blazeix> that way you don't have to deal with awk, like FireFighter's solution does <Blazeix> nothing against awk, I just never managed to wrap my head around it <snap-l> Frankly, heading to awk is just a stone-s throw away from python / perl <rick_h__> I liked the dd answer <rick_h__> wouldn't have thought of that one <rick_h__> and works with any size file <wolfger> the best command available in bash is "perl -e" <rick_h__> ipython <snap-l> http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=1910 <snap-l> perl -e 'srand;rand($.) < 1 && ($it = $_) while <>;print $it' < testing <jrwren> <3 awk <jrwren> wait... dd? <jrwren> how did they set a RS ? <jrwren> or do you mean do ? <jrwren> *od <jrwren> I like the od solution. <jrwren> i'd have never thought of that too <rick_h__> http://tumblr.machinetext.com/post/4997828856/selecting-a-random-line-from-a-file <rick_h__> od was used in an example as well <wolfger> http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=902311 <snap-l> I love how people 'misuse' tools for a common good. <jrwren> ok, i grok the dd now. that is kinda cool. <snap-l> And I put that in air-quotes, because I love rube-goldberg solutions <jrwren> "hax" <snap-l> Oh geez <jrwren> lol <snap-l> craig@lister:~$ echo `cat /dev/urandom | od -N4 -An -i `' % '`wc -l < testing` <snap-l> 1623132144 % 5 <snap-l> Which then gets fed to bc <snap-l> craig@lister:~$ echo `cat /dev/urandom | od -N4 -An -i `' % '`wc -l < testing` | bc <snap-l> -4 <snap-l> omg, that's a hack <jrwren> is it? <jrwren> I like it. <jrwren> although I think you can use base for the modulus <snap-l> jrwren: Hack as in something very clever <jrwren> ah. <jrwren> I was thinking Hack as in something doing something it was not meant to. <jrwren> i see each of those as doing exactly waht they are meant to. <jrwren> and composing these things is why i like unix. <snap-l> Yeah, same here <snap-l> UNIX is like a big box of productivity legos <rick_h__> but there's no gui for any of these <rick_h__> fail! <rick_h__> surely you can't do something that a gui can't <snap-l> rick_h__: I banish you <snap-l> BEGONE! * rick_h__ hides in shame <jrwren> you are dead to me rick_h__ :) <rick_h__> oh geeze, I do a little channeling of jcastro and you guys get on me :P * brousch welcomes rick_h__ with open arms <brousch> gimme a hug big guy <rick_h__> yea, how does that work on a mac is what I want to know lol <jcastro> haha <brousch> it seems to have dd available <rick_h__> I want a unity quick menu, thingy...right-click "random line from file" <wolfger> What button can I click to display a random line from a file? :-) <wolfger> what is this "dd" everybody keeps referring to? "dd" is the command to delete a line. :-p <Blazeix> rick_h__: someone should totally make a 'core-util' icon for the unity dock. <Blazeix> where you right-click and every core-util is an option <rick_h__> lol <snap-l> Quick poll: Has anyone found anything from an archive.org netlabel that isn't more painful than sticking your head in a dryer? <brousch> well the dryer turns off when you open the door to stick your head in it <snap-l> I mean if you took your head off to put it in the dryer. <ColonelPanic001> this is too complicated <brousch> which head? <snap-l> either one <brousch> no <snap-l> That's what I thought <gamerchick02> *blink blink* i walked in at the wrong time. <ColonelPanic001> no such thing. <gamerchick02> i saw something about putting your head in a dryer... <gamerchick02> hrm <ColonelPanic001> so? <ColonelPanic001> I don't comment on how you dry your hair, Ms. Judgemental. <gamerchick02> it air dries. ;) <ColonelPanic001> same thing in the dryer. <gamerchick02> it was the "which head" comment that threw me. ;) <ColonelPanic001> that needs drying, to <gamerchick02> oh well. <ColonelPanic001> too <gamerchick02> heh <brousch> well some of us have 2 heads, like zaphod beeblebrox <gamerchick02> Zaphod is awesome. :) <fdvalero> hello everyone, after pinguiton which is the next event in michigan? <ColonelPanic001> Well, I went to work today. <snap-l> fdvalero: I don't think there's anything really planned yet. <snap-l> The next big event that we're part of is Ohio Linuxfest <snap-l> some of us also go to PyOhio <snap-l> Pretty sure we'll also have a release party for 11.10 <snap-l> That'll be in October. <greg-g> fdvalero: what snap-l said. <snap-l> https://twitter.com/#!/lmorchard/statuses/65166820356792320 #ubuntu-us-mi 2011-05-03 <rick_h__> http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/05/sony-attacked-again-12700-non-us-cc-numbers-feared-stolen.ars <rick_h__> gah! <rick_h__> Blazeix: heard much on the arch stable-ing out? <Blazeix> rick_h__: tough to tell, I'm pretty pissed that they moved from gtk2 to gtk3. <rick_h__> my boss made the switch this weekend <rick_h__> next day gnome3 <Blazeix> since there's only one gtk3 theme out there, you're going to lose your look/feel, assuming gtk factors into it. <rick_h__> he hopped on IM there and was just "talk about bad timing!" <Blazeix> yeah, luckily I use chrome/rxvt pretty much exclusively <rick_h__> yea, fortunately I've not gone gtk for much of anything at this point, though I know chrome/firefox pay some attention to it <Blazeix> so it isn't too bad, but chrome is ugly <rick_h__> ugh <rick_h__> bah, keep failing to install this pencil package as well <Blazeix> this is the default look for nautilus now: http://frabjous.ath.cx/files/upload/nautilus-adwaita.png <Blazeix> makes my eyes bleed. That's how it's supposed to look. <rick_h__> giant! <rick_h__> yea, I've been a long time thunar user <Blazeix> yeah, thunar looks terrible now, since I don't think there's an xfce/gtk3 integration <rick_h__> ugh <rick_h__> yea, I used to use lxappearance to help with my apps that listen to gtk stuff <rick_h__> guessing that's out the window <Blazeix> yeah, there's gnome-tweak-tool, and a config file you can edit to tweak stuff <Blazeix> gnome-tweak-tool will crash if you don't have gnome-shell installed, though. <rick_h__> the shots I've seen of the gnome3 desktop though is quite horrid <Blazeix> The whole thing just feels very raw. <rick_h__> welcome to OSS in 2011 <rick_h__> these are the times that test us... <Blazeix> it's almost enough to make me switch to a Qt desktop <Blazeix> almost <rick_h__> so I wonder how this is in ubuntu/unity land <rick_h__> that's gtk3 right? <Blazeix> not sure <rick_h__> wonder how other apps look with it <Blazeix> actually, I'm not sure if it's gtk3 <rick_h__> bah, this sucks. Can't get the app to install so do I sign up for a web service or not, that is the question <snap-l> Unity is still gtk2 <jjesse> just switch all to kubuntu and your life will be better <snap-l> Yeah, after all, once the baby is out, who needs bathwater? <rick_h__> dammit, and twitter guys by client I finally like <rick_h__> the world is full of suck today <snap-l> Which client? <rick_h__> tweetdeck <snap-l> Brillant. ;) <snap-l> Well, look on the bright side: it'll be supported the rest of it's life <rick_h__> wonder if I can get single use CC nubmers for my debit card <rick_h__> man I don't trust anyone right now <snap-l> whether if that's tomorrow or two years from now is anybody's guess. :) <rick_h__> @#$@#% and chase is down? wtf people <Blazeix> I hear HP just bought lenovo, too. <Blazeix> and all tiling window managers are halting development <greg-g> wha? <snap-l> rick_h__: Time for the hermit life <Blazeix> greg-g: not actually <Blazeix> greg-g: just painting rick_h__'s worst nightmare <greg-g> Blazeix: that's what I get for only switching over to this desktop and just reading one line of scroll back <Blazeix> heh <rick_h__> I'm going into depression/the bunker <rick_h__> sony hacked a freaking gain <snap-l> HP buys Lenovo, Awesome stops development, and work mandates that everyone uses OSX <rick_h__> packages won't install, want to use a single use CC number for my debit card, but bank website is down and don't htink they support it <snap-l> Including the servers <rick_h__> oh hell, now you're just doing crazy talk <snap-l> rick_h__: What packages are you installing that require a debit card? <rick_h__> pencil install fails, so signing up for http://gomockingbird.com <rick_h__> oh lovely, if I was a mid-sized business chase would give me a single use account number <snap-l> rick_h__: I'm sorry... I'm really sorry <rick_h__> but not little ole me <snap-l> (that's what Doctor Who says before the other shoe drops" <rick_h__> that's it, emailing them I want a paypal option since I don't trust them with my CC number <Blazeix> rick_h__: will the AUR pencil-svn package not work? <rick_h__> Blazeix: no, build fails and not sure why tbh <rick_h__> trace isn't clear to me on what's failing/missing <snap-l> rick_h__: http://ubuntuone.com/p/qG5/ <- I'm sorry, I'm really sorry. <snap-l> What exactly is pencil supposed to do anyway? <rick_h__> oh interesting, I missed that it was FF based <rick_h__> that's probably it, sayhs ff3.5 <rick_h__> snap-l: mockup tool <rick_h__> I need to mock some bookie ui layouts <snap-l> I don't think Pencil is what you're looking for <snap-l> This appears to be a 2D animation tool <rick_h__> http://pencil.evolus.vn/en-US/Home.aspx <rick_h__> yea, wrong thing <snap-l> Jesus, how many of these damn things are out there? <snap-l> I've seen three, two of which were $80 <snap-l> all web-based. <snap-l> And it was at this moment that snap-l realized why that was, and snuck back to the rock to which he craweld from. <rick_h__> huh? <snap-l> You're mocking up web-based interfaces, no? <snap-l> So, naturally, you'd want something web-based. ;) <rick_h__> well I am, but mocking is just mocking <rick_h__> ColonelPanic001: you're needed in #bookie <snap-l> Nuts, I think I cooked a motion sensor because I didn't understand how to hook it up right <greg-g> g'morning <rick_h__> party <rick_h__> lots of $5 albums on amazon mp3 land <rick_h__> woo! new music to start the new day <wolfger> party <wolfger> but don't let snap-l hear that you're using and enjoying Amazon MP3.... :-) <rick_h__> hah, how can I use ubuntu one? I don't run ubuntu :P <snap-l> !openmetalcast 20, recorded live at !penguicon. 19 people saw what went in, but nobody heard what came out. http://ur1.ca/42oc4 Scary! <snap-l> wolfger: I prefer Ubuntu One because of the syncing. There's no question that Amazon has better sales. <snap-l> rick_h__: It's only a matter of time before you're back to Ubuntu. ;) <rick_h__> heh, why sync, I've bought 10 albums and not downloaded one :) <snap-l> rick_h__: Because I like having my music not suddenly vanish. ;) <snap-l> Y'know... like a cloud on a windy day. <rick_h__> snap-l: they also have a new feature, it'll auto download <rick_h__> When you save your Amazon MP3 purchases to Cloud Drive, you can download new purchases from Cloud Drive to this computer automatically. <rick_h__> This setting is unique to each of your computers and must be set from Your Account > Your Amazon MP3 Settings from each computer. This setting can also be set for your Android device. <snap-l> Ah, cool. <rick_h__> boom! <rick_h__> :P <snap-l> May consider using it again <snap-l> HEy, that was my biggest beef. If they fixed it, I'm settled. <rick_h__> not that I don't like supporting my canonical buddies, but sorry... <rick_h__> snap-l: the big thing is that U1 would do better sycning your existing stuff <rick_h__> uploading your stuff to cloud drive is a bit of a pita <snap-l> Yeah, u1 needs to excell in that areal <snap-l> Bah, where'd that extra l come from <jjesse> the amazon mp3 player is pretty cool use it on my android all the time <jjesse> uploaded my running music playlist to it, and then use the mp3 + my tracks when i run <jjesse> mp3 player pauses when my tracks announces my time <paroneayea> I'm just joining this channel because greg-g is awesome <paroneayea> I love that guy. <snap-l> Yeah, we're fans as well. <wolfger> welcome to #greg-g-fanclub <paroneayea> :D <wolfger> just as long as you're not here because you think brousch is awesome... :-p <greg-g> heya paroneayea :) <snap-l> I was about ready to give up computers and become a hermit until I met greg-g. Now I hang out in IRC all day and stroke the picture of greg-g that I have in my office. <snap-l> He's so dreamy. <greg-g> | <-- line snap-l --> * * paroneayea pets greg-g's head softly <greg-g> :) <paroneayea> too bad greg-g's already engaged. <paroneayea> and that I'm married. * wolfger puts on the bow-chika-wow-wow music * _stink_ gets the camcorder <wolfger> ...it's like Penguicon all over again <greg-g> only with less furries <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofibNrYDjdY <- Replace Ace Rimmer with greg-g, and you'll get it mostly right. <_stink_> someone put on a wizard hat <greg-g> yay, Red Dwarf! <brousch> greg-g: you don't know how we're all dressed. this is the internet! <paroneayea> wizard hat! I have one of those <paroneayea> % <paroneayea> \'. <paroneayea> \ '. <paroneayea> \ \ <paroneayea> _L__L_ <paroneayea> //~ ~ <paroneayea> G > <wolfger> greg-g: Yeah. brousch is wearing his fursuit <paroneayea> / \\\\-------.__ * * * * <paroneayea> / ' \\\______ |T * MAGIC * <paroneayea> | \ \\ \| * * * * <greg-g> warning, paroneayea likes his ascii art, he is my resident ascii art friend :) <wolfger> percentage-wise, that would make this channel more furry-inhabited than pcon <_stink_> COWSAY plz <Milyardo> paroneayea: Where's the magic stick? <snap-l> Milyardo: greg-g doesn't need his magic stick <paroneayea> \'. <paroneayea> \ '. <paroneayea> \ \ <paroneayea> _L__L_ _ <paroneayea> //~ ~ / / <paroneayea> G > // <brousch> no magic sticks please. let's keep this sfw <paroneayea> / \\\\-------._// <paroneayea> / ' \\\______ |T3 <paroneayea> | \ \\ \// <brousch> oh man, i bogarted the ascii art <paroneayea> <it_crowd>"Are dragons gay, Phil? Mighty warrior priests wielding golden staffs, I suppose theyâre gay too.</it_crowd> <snap-l> http://imgur.com/xlAkI <jrwren> lol <snap-l> http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=3163 <_stink_> what a guy. <brousch> um, crap. SSDs fail a lot http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2011/05/the-hot-crazy-solid-state-drive-scale.html <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, and catastrophically. <brousch> this is not news i wanted to hear. make it go away <Milyardo> but the hotness <rick_h__> heh, never going to be on non-ssd here <rick_h__> never had issues with my intels. 2yr out of my old one before I sold it and a year into this one <jrwren> i love that he references the hot/crazy scale. <rick_h__> greg-g: http://ejohn.org/blog/next-steps-in-2011/ kind of cool <rick_h__> open course type stuff it sounds like <greg-g> rick_h__: cool, yeah, Khan Academy is pretty neat. I'm very glad that they have someone from Mozilla starting there working on Open Source stuff <snap-l> https://twitter.com/#!/zedshaw/statuses/65510057437184001 <jrwren> lol <jrwren> <3 zedshaw <snap-l> jcastro: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/308/ <snap-l> jcastro: You're a freaking mind-worm. ;) <jrwren> it was only 150 yrs ago. <jrwren> Standard Time didn't come into existence until rail travel necessitated it. <jrwren> and people did it according to the town tower. That is why towns had clock towers. <snap-l> She just got a pocket watch, so that's where the question came up <jrwren> tell her to find a town clock tower. <jrwren> mine davidhull@example.net :) <snap-l> har har. :) <snap-l> All I know is I wish everything I owned either set time via the internet or via WWVB <snap-l> Or CallerID <snap-l> There is no reason I should have to set the Wii's clock manually <TeamXlink> Is there a way to use two power supplies to power *one* graphics card? If so would this solve the problem of a lower then recommended power supply? My power supply is a 250 watt and It is powering the motherboard and graphics card, I have another 250 watt power supply powering all of the fans and drives. I've disabled the pci slots, serial port, parelle port, mouse * keyboard port to save po <TeamXlink> wer (I'm unsure if that made a difference or not however). <snap-l> TeamXlink: Um... <snap-l> Where oh where to begin... <TeamXlink> Its amps that matter though right? <TeamXlink> More then watts? <snap-l> Well, let's just say if you're running two power supplies, and still not getting enough juice, that's indicative that there might be something else wrong <snap-l> I guess my first question would be what prompted you to think you need more power for the vid card? <TeamXlink> The recommended specifications and results of online searches. <jrwren> does the video card have a separate power input? and you are using it on the secondary PS? <jrwren> if it is a beefy enough video card, it is likely you don't have enough power. <jrwren> 250W is very little. <snap-l> Well, it's also likely you don't have the right connector either <jrwren> also, the Vid Card spec should say how much it needs on the 5V rail. <TeamXlink> snape-I: And the auto tune in the ati overdrive underclocks my graphics card due to insufficent power, or thats the reason I think it does that. <TeamXlink> The graphics card has a 4 pin connector on it that is plugged into the power supply that is powering the motherbard and graphics card <snap-l> Right, OK. <snap-l> So it's drawing power from the Mobo and this separate cable? <TeamXlink> Yes. <TeamXlink> jrwren: I'll go fetch the link for you. <snap-l> Yeah, I think you're not going to be easily able to drive that with two PS units. <TeamXlink> It says 1.5v for agp4x <jrwren> what kind of card? <jrwren> AGP??/ zomg, ancient, how much power can it need? <TeamXlink> http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-HD3650-Video-100258L/dp/B001L62INY <TeamXlink> It is a 8x agp card but supports 4x agp <TeamXlink> The fan on the one that arrived is different then the fan in the first pic, it looks like this one http://ec5.images-amazon.com/images/I/2185DP%2BbquL.jpg but it keeps temperatures realtively low. <jrwren> 300W min. <snap-l> yeah <jrwren> so I'd try pluging the secondary power supply into the 4pin <TeamXlink> Mine has 2 dvi ports as well I just noticed. <TeamXlink> Alright. <jrwren> maybe it will balance some from mobo and some from secondary <TeamXlink> But that one is powering all of the other devices? <jrwren> but its a gamble. <jrwren> what "other devices" ? <jrwren> drives dont' pull much. <snap-l> jrwren: Newer drives don't. ;) <TeamXlink> Hard drive 4 case fans <snap-l> I used to have some 150MB Wren drives that needed a separate case / PSU to run. ;) <jrwren> i don't know about fans, but given they are just electric motors like a hard drive, its going to be nearly nothing. <jrwren> snap-l: right. <jrwren> not just "newer drives" <TeamXlink> It is filling the space where the disc drives would go so I don't have any disc drives installed unfortuenataly. <jrwren> but anything even remotely modern. <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah, just reminded me of that case. <TeamXlink> It is a 60gb Western Digital WDC WD600BB-75CAA0 <snap-l> TeamXlink: Yeah, you should be fine <jrwren> TeamXlink: anything made within the last 15 yrs is going to be fine and draw very little power. <TeamXlink> Alright thank you. <TeamXlink> I eventually want to either get a power supply I can use for everything or find another way to mount the extra powersupply, using my drives in an external drive usb setup is vary slow. and I still haven't found a way to use the floppy drive as well. <jrwren> one of 'em is a 60G... you could get a 2TB and a 400W seasonic for well under $150 <TeamXlink> Thats more then I payed for the computer, lol <TeamXlink> The computer was originally a Dell Optiplex GX 260, but the only thing left of that setup is the case and motherboard, everything else is different. <jrwren> old stuff is a bummer. <TeamXlink> Its not that old. <TeamXlink> The graphics card is miles better then my old one. <TeamXlink> The only thing I don't like about it is the ram setup. <TeamXlink> It has a maximum of 1gb of ram. <jrwren> ancient. <TeamXlink> The processor isn't stock either I just realized, the one I have is a 2 ghz. <TeamXlink> Thank you for the help everyone! <TeamXlink> hmmm. <TeamXlink> Dells specs about the ram limit are different then the specs elsewhere on the internet. <TeamXlink> Maybe it was changed in a bios upgrade. <TeamXlink> Yeah it is 2gb, sweet! <TeamXlink> I have a question though. <TeamXlink> I have 3 x 1gb ram chips that wouldn't fit the slots in my computer however they work on the family computer, I still don't know what the differences are though. <TeamXlink> I think my computer requires ddr while the other one requires ddr2 <TeamXlink> http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/opgx260/en/ug/specs.htm#1110653 http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dime521/en/sm_en/specs.htm would any ddr ram work? <jrwren> any DDR1. <TeamXlink> Alright, sweet thank you! <TeamXlink> I'm going to post an add on craigslist to see if I can trade the 1gb ddr2 chips for 1gb ddr1 chips. <TeamXlink> Thank you everyone for the help again! <Milyardo> WHats with some people and blind hostility towards Mono? <brousch> mono is the evil spawn of that sell-out miguel de icaza and steve ballmer <brousch> no good can come from such a union <Milyardo> Not sure about how Ballmer is involved, but Miguel is nicest guy <brousch> i was just channeling the haters <brousch> the hostility comes from mono being based on a microsoft product <Milyardo> like WINE? <Milyardo> Where's the Alexander hate then? <brousch> wine is more trying to find a way around microsoft <brousch> mono embrasses the microsoft <brousch> embraces <brousch> wine is a hackish way of fighting the man. mono acknowledges that MS has something worthwhile <Milyardo> Not sure if I see how reimplementing .NET isn't any less finding a way around MS as say OpenJDK reimplementing Java <Milyardo> *and finding away around Sun/Oracle <brousch> acknowledging sun has something worthwhile is much more acceptable than MS <Milyardo> What about Samba then? <brousch> hackish <brousch> you're looking at this far too logically to understand the haters <Milyardo> I'm trying and failing <brousch> MS is the great devil <brousch> anything provided by MS is evil <brousch> so happily accepting and embracing their technology makes you evil <brousch> people only use samba because their boss makes them work with windows computers <brousch> people use wine because they want to play games on linux #ubuntu-us-mi 2011-05-04 <Milyardo> So what need need then are more games written in .NET and Mono will be okay? <snap-l> Milyardo: Folks that hate on Mono and don't hate on Java are blind to the problems with both <rick_h__> I just prefer to hate <snap-l> It's just that it's convenient to hate on Microsoft's technology because of the underlying opinion that Microsoft wouldn't create anything without ulterior motives <snap-l> ie: mono will be a patent trap, or will get changed to keep developers scrambling or... <snap-l> Which are complaints that can be leveled at Java, or any other corporate controlled language. <snap-l> Good morning <snap-l> So, I finally got a hold of someoene that can help me with the Java code at work <rick_h__> wheeee <snap-l> and right off the bat, he says to use Eclipse <rick_h__> lol <greg-g> haha <greg-g> g'morn <rick_h__> that's why I'm a bit of a 'look down' on the IDE folks. <snap-l> And hands me a project file / bundle / whatever the hell it is <greg-g> guess who's been getting up way too early lately? That's right, this guy. 7am is ungodly <rick_h__> can't code without their buttons to press <rick_h__> greg-g: hah, come on. I was clocked into work a quarter till 7 <snap-l> seriously Java isn't a programming language as much as it is an oral tradition. <snap-l> with inexplicable code bundles handed down from generation to generation of coders. <rick_h__> "this magic eclipse project will build...we don't know why, but by god it builds <tjagoda> Sounds like a different kind of oral tradition. <tjagoda> /pun music <snap-l> I think there's one developer out there that cranks out this stuff <snap-l> once he gets fed up, Java will cease to be. <snap-l> (or she, for that matter) <tjagoda> lol <brousch> greg-g: poor baby. i get up at 6am every day and the first thing i have to do is wake my cranky wife and cranky kid <rick_h__> new ones? <brousch> eh? <rick_h__> maybe get some non-cranky versions <rick_h__> seems like a bad feature to me <rick_h__> sorry, wife and I joke about getting upgraded versions of each other and such. Guess it's not quite normal to everyone else <brousch> these are people, not robots, you insensitive clod <_stink_> isn't that just new firmware? <rick_h__> _stink_: meh, it's like new android phones <rick_h__> you could root/upgrade but you might as well just get the newer versions <_stink_> ha, the whole thing then <_stink_> sign me up <brousch> please do not root your children <greg-g> brousch: yeah, the gf is still sleeping when I wake up and leave :/ <snap-l> http://decafbad.net/2011/05/04/tear-down-this-wall/ <- The thought for the day. <rick_h__> lol, "public static final" <rick_h__> always fitting java into your posts snap-l, you fanboi :P <snap-l> Yah, totally <greg-g> I liked it, made me giggle <rick_h__> OMG I love zsh <rick_h__> rm **/*.pyc <rick_h__> bammo <rick_h__> greg-g: can you do recurring meetings in the loco directory? <snap-l> for CHC? <snap-l> Not easily. <snap-l> I think you have to copy the event <rick_h__> yea, was thinking of starting a rebranding of UH/CHC <snap-l> Calling it Ubuntu Hour instead? <rick_h__> combining a bit <snap-l> Yeah, that makes sense <rick_h__> Ubuntu House:CofeeHouseCoders <rick_h__> nice little shortcut of UH:CHC <rick_h__> claim we work with the community and such so the dual brand <rick_h__> but get it on the calendar <snap-l> sellout. ;) * greg-g nods <greg-g> I like <greg-g> I'll report a bug against loco directory for the feature request part, but I'm game for the rebranding, of course <snap-l> But yeah, I was going to put it on the events calendar, but hesitated because it wasn't ubuntu specufic <snap-l> So a slight re-branding would work <rick_h__> dammit, I hate canonical web UX <rick_h__> that time picker is the suck <snap-l> Oh totally. <snap-l> You can't even type in a value <brousch> yeah, that thing is annoying. i'll bet it's really annoying if you hate your mouse <rick_h__> what? have to put it in diff time? <snap-l> Try typing in 20:00 and see what happens. <rick_h__> I'm regretting my decision just based on getting it in this freaking suckitude of a web page <rick_h__> no, you mean 00 since it's +4 <snap-l> Events are local time, no? <rick_h__> dammit, so CHC is 00 the 6th? <rick_h__> no, UTC <rick_h__> sorry, 00 5th <snap-l> The natty panel event that I put in was under EDT <brousch> i think it's local time <brousch> i remember having to pick the time zone <rick_h__> no, it says all events must be in UTC <rick_h__> but then it says the TZ is +1 <rick_h__> do we have a TZ in our team settings? <brousch> maybe recurring events are different? <rick_h__> there's no recurring events <rick_h__> this is for a meeting vs an event <rick_h__> at least that's what I figured this was since there's no signup/etc <rick_h__> ugh, pita <brousch> ah, that could be <snap-l> I think it might be better to put it as an event <greg-g> oh, yeah, meetings are UTC, because it does fancy IRC log parsing <jrwren> Milyardo: blind hatred of MSFT. The extremists don't use samba and hate it just as much and will offer solutions like "use NFS" <snap-l> since it isn't a team meeting <greg-g> events are local time <rick_h__> ah, events are local <rick_h__> gotcha <snap-l> yeah <rick_h__> ok, well events had all this extra crap I didn't need/want so went with meeting <rick_h__> going back <jrwren> rick_h__++ I use an IDE, but I still look down on the ide folks :) <greg-g> btw https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/777098 <snap-l> Marked as affecting me as well <greg-g> thankya <rick_h__> ok, added the month of may at least <rick_h__> we'll see if I copy/keep it up <snap-l> I can maintain it if you want. <snap-l> I'm kinda anal about calendars. ;) <brousch> will you make rick_h__ boot from an ubuntu livecd at the meetings? <snap-l> Nah, he'll come around eventually <snap-l> the fifth time that X crashes for no reason, he'll be back. ;) <rick_h__> had 5 of them :( <rick_h__> but spread over several weeks <snap-l> I mean in one day. <rick_h__> heh, I think 3 in one day would trigger a reinstall <greg-g> not to be a wet blanket in ubuntu-land, but a buddy from another channel had unity crash 3 times on him yesterday for no apparent reason, on a fresh install :/ <snap-l> greg-g: I'd believe it <snap-l> Unity is hard on graphics hardware <greg-g> I was saddened by it. The first it crashed completely, the second was alt-tab wouldn't display the windows being tab'd through (but would "blindly" work), the third I'm not sure <rick_h__> it's getting hardon users <brousch> i
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