#lubuntu 2011-09-01 <silverarrow> what do I do for antivirus? <Unit193> You don't really need antivirus, but if you REALLY want to, you can add it to help other idiot windows computers on the network ;) <phillw> silverarrow: it is not required for linux based systems. If you share stuff with windows / Mac systems then you can add something that will protect them from stuff you download to be transferred. <silverarrow> I see <silverarrow> thing is I download films, tv shows, and it might come with god knows what? <silverarrow> though I don't share much with windows systems <phillw> silverarrow: if it 100% linux - do not worry. <silverarrow> 100% lubuntu <phillw> I wrote up, a while ago, a section on such beasties, you'll just have to trust me that my forum area is not injecting nasties into your computer :P http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=17 <phillw> and with that... time for bed! <Unit193> Awwww... Good night! <silverarrow> good night phillw <silverarrow> is there any gnome player gurus here? <silverarrow> hyperair? <hyperair> ? <moomoo> Any recommendations for a light weight dock? wbar seems complicated to set up and adeskbar doesn't seem to be in development anymore. <j0hndoe> How do I edit grub2? On boot up screen I see Lubuntu and Unknown Linux Distribution, I would like to change that to Puppy Linux. <bioterror> JohnDoe_71Rus, still problems with pcmanfm? <JohnDoe_71Rus> bioterror: yes. :( <KM0201> whats wrong? <JohnDoe_71Rus> pcmanfm not start to folder browse <JohnDoe_71Rus> just blink desktop <jmarsden> j0hndoe: For messing with grub, look in /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d/ and read the files in there *carefully* before doing anything. <KM0201> JohnDoe_71Rus, have you tried installing thunar?.. <bioterror> KM0201, that's not the solution <jmarsden> JohnDoe_71Rus: Open a Terminal window and run pcmanfm from there, if you see an error message, tell us what it says. <KM0201> bioterror, i never suggested it was, but it's a workaround until he can get this resolved <JohnDoe_71Rus> jmarsden: no error of "file or folder not exist" <bioterror> jmarsden, problem also exists when he launches pcmanfm from applications menu <jmarsden> JohnDoe_71Rus: OK, do LANG=C pcmanfm and tell us *exactly* what it says. <JohnDoe_71Rus> pcmanfm %U pcmanfm <JohnDoe_71Rus> jmarsden: nothing. just blink folder icon on desktop. no error or text in console <KM0201> hmm, mine drops right back to a prompt, and opens pcman... <KM0201> i'm assuming that is what it is supposed to do. <jmarsden> Right. <JohnDoe_71Rus> lubuntu 10.04 + update from xlde ppa and lubuntu-desktop ppa <KM0201> hmm <JohnDoe_71Rus> ubuntu 10.04 + same ppa = same problem <jmarsden> JohnDoe_71Rus: OK, let's try deleting your pcmanfm config files and see if it helps. rm ~/.config/pcmanfm/* <JohnDoe_71Rus> one story on 3 computers <jmarsden> and then try the LANG=C pcmanfm again <KM0201> so you have the same prob on 3 pc's? <jmarsden> JohnDoe_71Rus: If you do a clean Lubuntu 10.04 install, no updates at all, does it work then? <JohnDoe_71Rus> jmarsden: the same. just reset desktop walpapers <JohnDoe_71Rus> KM0201: yes. 2 real comp and lubuntu 10.04 on virtual. it happend after update. <jmarsden> Ah, so before the updates from PPA it was OK? <JohnDoe_71Rus> Not at once <jmarsden> JohnDoe_71Rus: Not at once? What did you do to get it working earlier? Also, if you make a new virtual machine and install Lubuntu 10.04 from the ISO image, will it work then? <JohnDoe_71Rus> jmarsden: yes. but it was to early. on weekend install lxde to ubuntu and it happend <JohnDoe_71Rus> then it works It is an old story <jmarsden> So something in the PPA updates is probably the cause... but I don't know what it would be... if you do the install in English language, and then update, does it work? Maybe this is a localazation issue of some sort?? <jmarsden> *localization <jmarsden> JohnDoe_71Rus: Does the "Rus" mean your installs are in ÑÑÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ ? <JohnDoe_71Rus> yes <jmarsden> OK. Not right now, but maybe this weekend, I will try a ÑÑÑÑÐºÐ¸Ð¹ install in a VM here and see if I can duplicate the issue. <JohnDoe_71Rus> ok. <jmarsden> If you can try an English install and see if it is fine for you in English, that would be good to know. <JohnDoe_71Rus> jmarsden: try change menu to english and reboot virtual. no effect <jmarsden> OK... I can't work any more on this now, hopefully I will have some time this weekend to try to duplicate the problem here. <Schala> I'm rather curious as to what Lubuntu means by 'lightweight'. Is it Ubuntu but stripped of the extras like games, mailing clients, extra utilities, leaving me to install what I want at my discretion? <jmarsden> Not quite. It uses a desktop environment that needs less RAM and CPU than GNOME/Ubiquity do, and picks its apps for 'usual' tasks for similarly lowish RAM/CPu requirements. <jmarsden> So Lubuntu will run smoothly on some older low-RAM PCs that Ubuntu has a hard time running at reasoanble speed on. <Schala> hmm <jmarsden> There is a Ubuntu mini-iso that is closer to what you see, the bare minimum OS that you can add (Lubuntu-desktop or gnome-desktop) to... <jmarsden> *to what you seek <Schala> see, when I get new Ubuntu releases, almost immediately I go to the software center and taking out stuff like games and the email client and stuff that I know I'll never use <Schala> ah, where's that? <jmarsden> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD <j0hndoe> all Ubuntu distro are the same, it just use different Desktop Environment and different programs initially. <jmarsden> j0hndoe: well, sort of -- Ubuntu Server uses a server-tweaker kernel and no DE or X at all :) <j0hndoe> but you can remove the lightweight programs like abiword/gnumeric and use libreoffice, but depending on your hardware and system spec, programs you use may lag your pc etc <j0hndoe> jmarsden oic <Schala> so Ubuntu's minimal CD let's me pick the stuff at install time and automatically selects dependencies as well, as opposed to the normal distro which puts a standard default selection of it on my drive? <jmarsden> Schala: Right, the minimal cd is so minimal you get a text-based command shell to work from until you add more stuff. <Schala> hmm....ok....haven't too much experience with being locked to CLI... but I do want to be conservative about what I put on, seeing as 11.04 has some out of date packages like Mono and what not <jmarsden> So install the minimal CD and add a desktop of your choice :) <Schala> ah, ok <Schala> I'll go give that a download <Schala> when I boot from CD does the installer have a GUI? I'm getting better with terminal, having used it since my Mac OS X days but strict terminal with no GUI I get rather spooked about <jmarsden> No, the CD uses the "Alternate CD" style textmode installer. <jmarsden> Try it and see :) <Schala> I guess it won't hurt, thanks <jmarsden> ifyou have a working Ubuntu machine now, you can try it in a virtual machine first under virtualbox if you like :) <jmarsden> You're welcome. <Schala> unfortunately no.... I find myself needing Windows as well and started with it, but I'm a Linux fan and crave it as well... I've just recently been able to buy a nice 1 TB drive for the extra hard drive slot on my motherboard <jmarsden> If you have enough RAM, virtualbox will run under windows... <Schala> bad news is I have ATI and don't know how well it'll hold on Linux <bioterror> depends on ATI <bioterror> I have Radeon 4350 or something and works like a dream with opensource drivers <jmarsden> Linux as primary OS with windows in a virtualbox is "better" for Linux-y people, but the other way around works. I do it that rodriguezcrystal@example.org. <jmarsden> bioterror: I have the same thing -- cheap low end Radeon, works fine for me. <bioterror> dunno about the low end, 512MB RAM is enough :D <jmarsden> Oh it is low end... $30 or so.. the high end cards are ten times that :) <Schala> Radeon HD 5770 here.... I've been intrigued by the existence of an opensource driver for ATI..... My friend says ATI sucks with shader support in the official driver, so I've been wondering if that's a strength the open driver has over the proprietary one <jmarsden> Schala: Windows gaming and general linux use are two different things... is your friend running Linux when making this statement? <Schala> well, I mean a few friends.... and that would be both yes and no <Schala> they all tell me the same thing, that ATI's lack of shader support is a driver issue <jmarsden> OK. Lubuntu is more of a low end "general purpose" OS than a gaming platform, so you're in the wrong place for good advice about Linux gaming really... <Schala> well not exactly gaming, but graphics-oriented yes <Schala> thanks again for the mini CD link anyway <jmarsden> You're welcome. <JohnDoe_71Rus> jmarsden: install lubuntu 10.04. pcmanfm 0.9.5. update to 0.9.7. work fine. try add lxde ppa and update <JohnDoe_71Rus> http://pastebin.com/mt0ngD5v <JohnDoe_71Rus> update to 0.9.8 <bioterror> backtrace it ;) <bioterror> and report a bug <head_victim> I game on Lubuntu, Urban Terror rocks :) <nicofs> Is someone there? <jmarsden> No :) <JohnDoe_71Rus> bioterror: bak to pcmanfm2 0.9.7 fix problem <bioterror> yes <JohnDoe_71Rus> pcmanfm %U open / not the home dir <nicofs> I have been trying to create an ARM rootfs of lubuntu-desktop, but it fails due to "gecko-mediaplayer is not installable"... <jmarsden> nicofs: As a temp fix, grab lubuntu-meta and edit it to not include gecko-media-player, rebuild the package and continue? (It is 2:30Am here, I need to go to bed!) <nicofs> jmarsden, how would i do that inside rootstock...? <jmarsden> No, do that on a normal PC. Get the PPAs to rebuild it for ARM, assuming they support ARM? <nicofs> sorry, that's beyond my abilities... i don't know how to make a rootfs manually... <jmarsden> does your "rootstock" have the normal build tools available to you? gcc, binutils, make, debuild, ... ? if it does, you can certainly try rebuilding lubuntu-meta in there... <nicofs> it's a toolchain - i feed it with parameters and then hit enter - apart from that i don't do anything else... <nicofs> all i can do ist "--seed [package name]" <nicofs> *is <nicofs> i'll try building gecko... <andantino> anyone else have issues with lxde and setting the mouse speed <Gabriel_Salles> I made a script to edit my touchpad settings <Bieleke> Anybody has a link or url to a howto or manual to put lubuntu on an usb-stick ? <andantino> hmmm brb <JohnDoe_71Rus> need menu editor, like alacarte <usr13> bioterror: I think the instructions for putting Ubuntu on USB will apply. It's basically the same proceedure. <bioterror> okay <usr13> there may be one written for Lubuntu as well, I don't know for sure, but... <usr13> I've got a question. <usr13> ALt-F2 does not bring up the run command. Anyone else have that problem? <usr13> Or, would anyone be willing to look at the stansa in my config to see if they can tell where the error is? <bioterror> alt+f2 is default <bioterror> should work <bioterror> and for putting ubuntu on usb pendrive, unetbootin is always the best solution <usr13> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ <bioterror> atleast for me it has been <bioterror> with any ubuntu flavour <usr13> bioterror: bioterror I think unebootin just takes the iso and spits it right on there, you just have to tell it which / where the iso is. Right? <bioterror> you tell where the iso is and it will extract and yadda yadda ;) <bioterror> do some small things <bioterror> but my workday is done, see ya later <bioterror> gotta catch mrs. terror from school <usr13> bioterror: Oh yea, does several things. Creates a boot loader ... <usr13> I'd also like to set a hotkey, F12, to open terminal. Anyone done that yet? <usr13> I use CLI a lot and like to bring up a terminal real quick and easy. I find F12 very handy. <usr13> I have another question. If I just restart lspanel, will that activate changes to the lubuntu-rc.xml file? <usr13> * lxpanelctl <Gabriel_Salles> That think of F12 to bring lxterminal is a nice idea... I will do this here and then tell you how to do it <jibel> Hey all, there are new Lubuntu Oneiric Beta 1 alternate images available for testing <jibel> if you're interested go there http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/6468 for i386 or http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/6467 for amd64 <jibel> hopefully that should fix the bug where lubuntu-desktop was not installed <phillw> jibel: I'm waiting for the alternate to be re-spun. Hopefully in next couple of hours. <silverarrow> hi <jibel> phillw, its done http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily/current/ <silverarrow> how do I check what kind of player I am using in the browser? <silverarrow> it's not adobe flash player at least <silverarrow> ....and I am looking in to what's the best way to get Tor, <silverarrow> package manager or the bundle from their site <silverarrow> I go for what will install with least trouble <usr13> silverarrow: I just install Adobe Flashplayer 10 <usr13> silverarrow: You ARE talking about flashplayer, Right? <usr13> when you go to the package manager and do search for flashplayer or Adobe you'll see which is installed now. <silverarrow> yes, but I think something else is streaming when I am watching oline tv <silverarrow> it doesn't look like adobe <usr13> I would venture to say it's either gxine or flashplayer <usr13> what site is it? <usr13> can you post a screenshot? <usr13> I'll bet it's just flashplayer. <usr13> YOu could find out by uninstalling flashplayer and try the site again. <silverarrow> http://imagebin.org/170575 <silverarrow> on the windows machine, it opens in windows media player <silverarrow> the site recommends using windows media player too <silverarrow> usr13, any sense of the picture? <usr13> looks like flashplayer to me <silverarrow> usr13, can't be? <silverarrow> at least not adobe <usr13> Let me try it on mine.. <usr13> silverarrow: What flashpler do you have installed? <usr13> It wont even play on mine. <silverarrow> it plays here <silverarrow> usr13 <usr13> Well, I think you are right. Its not. <usr13> but it won't play on mine. <usr13> Is yours stock install? <silverarrow> I am afraid there are blocks out side norway <usr13> OH.. that's it. <silverarrow> you have to use some kind of clever stuff to by pass, like Tor <usr13> Well, I'm not in Norway <silverarrow> sorry <usr13> Tor? <usr13> How-to? <silverarrow> Yes, I am about to install it, tor I mean <jmarsden> usr13: use Google. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tor <silverarrow> is is a project for making software that confuses the block, so it will not allow streamng <usr13> My player comes up but it doesn't play. <silverarrow> what kind of player do you get? <silverarrow> you are in lubuntu too? <silverarrow> usr13, it might be either gecko or mplayer <silverarrow> usr13, I am just guessing from what I see in my config files <silverarrow> gnome player I mean <silverarrow> not mplayer <Antonio007> Sorry, when compiling ndiswrapper Unknown field 'ioctl' specified in initializer <Antonio007> any ideas? <silverarrow> are buntu vlc builds still broken? <silverarrow> anyone who knows the lubuntu mediaplayers? <silverarrow> i stream online tv marvelously <silverarrow> youtube a bit so so <stephen-smally> hi eveybody <Neosano> no way to test 11.10 beta? :\ <Neosano> or is it.. too early for it? <gilir> Neosano, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/oneiric/beta-1/ <Neosano> gilir, oh, thanks! <Neosano> would be cool if it was here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing <hosoka> hello all <hosoka> currently i have the lubuntu 10.10 and I wanted to have at the startup the grub but this cannot be found. How to access this ? #lubuntu 2011-09-02 <DarkwingDuck> Any hardcore Lubuntu users in here? <DarkwingDuck> Rather, anyone want to talk a bit about LXDE at Ubuntu UserDays? <jmarsden> Lubuntu is a nice poliet family oriented OS, not hardcore :) <DarkwingDuck> ;) But of course. :) <jmarsden> What is Ubuntu Userdays, and what level of talk / topic are you looking for? <DarkwingDuck> An overview of LXDE as a DE. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays <DarkwingDuck> It will be a talk about the Alt distros and DEs. <DarkwingDuck> So, XFCE, LXDE and KDE <DarkwingDuck> I'm doing KDE, pleia2 is doing XFCE <jmarsden> I'd asl phillw or bioterror as likely suspects for that... I might be able to do it, but would probably accidentally get too techie :) <DarkwingDuck> I know that feeling LOL <DarkwingDuck> Oh, and congrats (A bit late) of becoming "official" <jmarsden> Thanks :) <jmarsden> Looks like they aren't around right now, ask again in maybe 4 hours, both are in Europe... <DarkwingDuck> 4, that's 0130, I'll try when I get up in the morning. :) <jmarsden> :) OK... or you can try /msg memoserv send to leave them messages, I suppose :) <DarkwingDuck> Thanks Mate. :) <jmarsden> You're welcome. <JohnDoe_71Rus> Xsession: unable to launch "Lubuntu" X session --- "Lubuntu" not found; falling back to default session. Ok login to gnome. What I missed? <yammer> Hello <yammer> Can someone please help me with a netroot problem? <Bieleke> bielen@BIELCO-LUBUNTU:~$ sudo nvidia-settings <Bieleke> [sudo] password for bielen: <Bieleke> Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0". <Bieleke> anybody can look into his file what exactly i miss ? <Bieleke> it's always a pain in da ass that nvidia crap * silverarrow poors plenty of sugar on sour * silverarrow checks his use-by-date <usr13> I'd like to set a HotKey F12 for lxterminal Any advise? <gumus> hi hall <gumus> all <gumus> lubuntu doesn't recognize my built-in camera. Can anyone help me with that ? <ahma> is there a way to put your own command to lxpanel? I mean if you press it it runs a command of your own. Example "gedit" <frankbooth> ahma an application shortcut? <gumus> guys <gumus> come on? what's this community for? You r not replying to anything? <gumus> hello <gumus> is there anyone here? <usr13> Well, sure there is. <usr13> What type of camera is it? (Make and model would help.) <usr13> Well, I guess gumus was a little bit impatient. <silverarrow> is there a way to make lubuntu show vimeo in gecko ? <silverarrow> or gnome player? <silverarrow> I'm not shore what it uses <usr13> silverarrow: You may be albe to right click somewhere on the videoplayer and get info <usr13> silverarrow: Is it working and playing the videos for you? <silverarrow> i have tried, but nothing appears <silverarrow> it usually does with youtube videos, and there it's adobe flash player <silverarrow> it's a bit weird with vimeo <silverarrow> do you think it might be adobe flash player? <silverarrow> usr13, are you in lubuntu now? <hosoka> hello, is there anyone who know how to partitionate the HD on its best ? <silverarrow> it's best? <silverarrow> using g-parted is often the best <silverarrow> ? <meway> how do I get flash player to work <hosoka> I am at the moment to install Lubuntu 10.04 and there at the installation the installation partioning is manually to do. <silverarrow> I have 11.04 <silverarrow> but gparted is identical <hosoka> ok, thanks <silverarrow> hosoka you should be able to make a partition <silverarrow> there he went <silverarrow> anyone in lubuntu now? <silverarrow> could you check what runs vimeo vids? #lubuntu 2011-09-03 <sharparrow> anyone ever experienced disintegrating desktop envoronment? <sharparrow> I cannot boot eithe r <jmarsden> sharparrow: Boot from Lubuntu LiveCD, use "Try before install" mode, check out hard drive for errors. If you can't boot from the livecd, suspect a hardware issue. <sharparrow> hi <sharparrow> I am in live lubuntu now <sharparrow> 11.04 same as installed version <sharparrow> it booted fine <jmarsden> OK, so you can boot from the CD OK. So what happened when you tried to boot from the hard drive -- what error message did you see? <sharparrow> cannot find it <sharparrow> cannot find operative system <sharparrow> slightly different message on each boot atempt <sharparrow> though bios did't detect hd either <sharparrow> maybe bios is a bit shoddy <jmarsden> So... in the livecd environment, can you see the hard drive? Sounds like HD failure to me. <sharparrow> but lubuntu has managed to overcome bios trouble <sharparrow> darn, hard drive is 3 months old <sharparrow> oh, and one message unable to fix disk1 <jmarsden> 3 months... so still under warranty, so no problem, you can get a new one for free :) <jmarsden> But wait... what EXACTLY was the message about being unable to fix ... ? <jmarsden> You need to give EXACT messages not your interpretation of them. <sharparrow> just a avery short message on a black screen, <jmarsden> And it was exactly the string "unable to fix disk1" ? <sharparrow> I shall note down on paper next time <jmarsden> OK. <sharparrow> yes <jmarsden> CAn you mount the partitions on the HD from the livecd Lubuntu ? <sharparrow> which application does that? <jmarsden> The mount command :) <sharparrow> oh, you mean terminal <sharparrow> mount sda1? <sharparrow> sudo mount sda1? <jmarsden> When hardware starts to break, you need to actually understand Linux to work with it... <jmarsden> First, does sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda output anything useful ? <sharparrow> could be a challenge <jmarsden> There are no pretty GUI utilities that are smart enough to work around hardware being broken, at least in my experience. <sharparrow> nothing happens <jmarsden> OK, and the drive used to be /dev/sda (when it worked) ? <sharparrow> hmm <sharparrow> yes <jmarsden> So ... it has disappaeared. So either it is powered off, data cable disconnected, or it failed. <sharparrow> I installed using lubuntu default method, and let it take all of the hard disk. I don't know exactly what it did <sharparrow> i haven't been inventive with names or anytithing like that <jmarsden> You can try using a general hardware utilities CD like Ultimate Boot CD to check out your machine, but it sure looks like the hard drive died. http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/download.html <sharparrow> it has worked fine until just a few hours ago. First thing that happen, machine froze. I restarted using the power off/on button <sharparrow> it happent twice today <sharparrow> then now, suddenly xchat, transmission and browser shot down by thems selves, or disappeard <sharparrow> then desktop environment sort of got lost <jmarsden> OK. Easiest/quickest fix is to replace the HD and restore from backups. If that works, you can then try to work on the "old" HD some more to see if it can be rodriguezcrystal@example.org. <sharparrow> I shall have to get my screw driver and go to the computer store tomorrow <jmarsden> Sounds like a good plan. <sharparrow> is there a clever way to check hard drive <sharparrow> my self? <sharparrow> or does it have to be an expert with special equipment ? <jmarsden> Yes, use the CD I told you about, boot from it, try several of the HD diagnostic tools on it. <sharparrow> ....on to it.... <sharparrow> and I will get how it works fairly naturally ? <jmarsden> You can also read /var/log/messages or similar in the livecd environment, and see if there are any hd related errors in there. <sharparrow> rather unfortunate for it to happen now <sharparrow> thanks for you help jmarsden <jmarsden> I hope so... it is menu based and has a collection of the tools from Seagate, Hitachi, WD, etc for disk diagnostics. If you can't use them, just replace the disk and call whoever you need to call re getting a warranty replacement for the old drive. <jmarsden> You're welcome. <sharparrow> do you know if grub2 issues might affect system after booting, ? <jmarsden> No, once it is booted grub is no longer involved. <sharparrow> after a seemingly successfull booting I mean ? <sharparrow> so it's not grub <sharparrow> UB_CD burning.. <jmarsden> fdisk -l would have seen the disk if it was just some software issue on the disk. <sharparrow> bios trouble doesn't affect a running os either? <sharparrow> bios is way old <sharparrow> it really points to hd failure <jmarsden> Not in terms of "does it basically work". You can get power management issues (esp on laptops) from old BIOSes with broken ACPI or whatever, but not sudden boot failure like this... <jmarsden> OK, I need to go, hope you can find out more the the UBCD diagnostics, but I think you need to go buy a new hard drive, I'm afraid. <sharparrow> thanks for help <sharparrow> still burning <jmarsden> OK, bye. <sharparrow> bye <luwei> å¤§å®¶å¥½é¿ <highcourter> hey folks, i'm trying to get lubuntu diskless client working by pxe-boot and having root directory on nfs. was following ubuntu DisklessUbuntuHowto guide. On startup there is error "Cannot open root device "(null)" or unknown-block(8,1)... it seems kernel does not have NFS options, right? Do I need to set NFSROOT other than auto too in initramfs.conf? <phillw> highcourter: if it is a kernel issue, then it will affect all the flavours of *buntu as we all use the same one. In fact I am pretty sure that all of Linux shares the same kernel, just on different releases. You may get an answer if you ask on #ubuntu-beginners-team if any of the guru's are up and about. Sorry I cannot help you better. <highcourter> alright, thx anyways <meway> How do I make my volume output louder? <meway> ubuntu is much louder <gumus> hi all <gumus> Lubuntu doesn't recognize my built in camera . Can anyone help me with that? <jmarsden> meway: in LXTerminal, run alsamixer and set PCM volume level higher. <gumus> guys <silverarrow> hi <jmarsden> gumus: What is the vendor and product ID of the webcam ? <jmarsden> gumus: Please run sudo lsusb and tell us the two 4 digit hex numbers after "ID" in the line that represents the webcam. <gumus> jmarsden: OK <gumus> jmarsden: it is http://paste.ubuntu.com/681285/ <jmarsden> gumus: There is no camera listed. Is it a USB device at all? <jmarsden> Example: mine shows: Bus 002 Device 002: ID 046d:081b Logitech, Inc. <gumus> jmarsden: it's laptop's own camera <gumus> jmarsden: built-in one <jmarsden> gumus: Yes, but what sort of device is it :) No-one can help you get it to work if we do not know what it is... we will need to find out what chip it uses and whether that is supported, and by what driver... <jmarsden> gumus: You can try using lspci to see if it is a PCI device, although I think that would be unusual on a laptop. <silverarrow> jmarsden, do you remember the hard drive talk form last night? <silverarrow> or day, depending upon where you are <jmarsden> silverarrow: Yes. <gumus> jmarsden: well OK. I'm an absolute beginner so sorry if Ä±'m causing some trouble :) just doing it <gumus> jmarsden: this is the outcome of lspci.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/681290/ <gumus> jmarsden: there's one thing says VGA compatible controller ? <silverarrow> jmarsden: I booted ultimate boot cd, no hard drive detected. I booted several times, last just to make puppylinux go on an usb drive <silverarrow> suddenly, hard drive is back <jmarsden> gumus: that is your video card, for screen display, not a webcam. <silverarrow> and working? <silverarrow> for no apparent reason, <gumus> jmarsden: oh I see. So there's no way to identify my camera? We even don't know whether it's plugged right ? <jmarsden> silverarrow: OK... then back it up *now*. Then run hard drives tests on it, to check if it has any issues. <jmarsden> gumus: Right, it looks to me like it is not "plugged in" - it is not being seen as a USB or PCI device, so we are stuck. <jmarsden> gumus: Is there any hardware switch to turn it on and off? <jmarsden> silverarrow: Can you run the diagnostic for the manufacturer of the disk from the UBCD? Does it say the disk is OK now? <gumus> jmarsden: I was just looking for it. Apparently there's not but might there be a hot key for it like fn + something? I don't see any though <silverarrow> yes, oddly enough, it comes out ok. <silverarrow> it's a western electrical <jmarsden> gumus: I'm not sure what else to suggest... if you boot the laptop into Windows does the webcam "just work"? <jmarsden> silverarrow: Then... I guess keep using it but make regular backups :) <silverarrow> yes, i do need to get better with backups <gumus> jmarsden: it's been a long time since I booted Windows...I guess I need to give a shot <gumus> jmarsden: thanks for all your help anyway. I got the main idea of the solution <jmarsden> gumus: If it can't see the webcam either, then I'd guess you have a hardware issue with it of some sort. If it can... then in theory we could try harder to "find" the device and identify it. <jmarsden> You're welcome. <gumus> ok. one more thing <gumus> do you often stay on this channel ? <gumus> I'd like to let you know about the result <jmarsden> Yes. I log it more or less 24x7. When I am home at my my PC, I am usually "listening" here. <gumus> great! I'm so grateful. Thanks! <jmarsden> You're welcome. <pete__> hi <Unit193> !hi <pete__> I've recently installed Lubuntu 11.04, and now I'm ready to install dropbox <pete__> but all the instructions I find seem to be centred around 10.10... <pete__> are there good instructions specific to 11.04 or should I just have a go on the 10.10 ones? <pete__> any advice? <Unit193> Well, there is a client, but it's mainly built for if you have Nautilus <Unit193> It doesn't require it though. Where is this guide? <pete__> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/04/how-to-install-dropbox-in-lubuntu/ <pete__> PS I run Lubuntu x64 <pete__> so I'd have to modify that top line anyways <Unit193> Take a look here http://www.dropbox.com/downloading?os=lnx <Unit193> Those are personal uploaded files in the guide you have <pete__> yeah, it doesn't really say about doing it with Lubuntu though... <pete__> Mint has it included in their LXDE system... <Unit193> It works, but without the file manager integration <pete__> sorry Unit193, what works? <Unit193> Dropbox from their site <pete__> I don't follow. Dropbox works without file manager integration in Lubuntu if I do what? <Unit193> Install the package from the dropbox website <pete__> the .deb? <Unit193> Yes <pete__> and what it just works? <pete__> it won't install nautilus? <Unit193> I haven't really had problems with it, but what works for me may not work for you <Unit193> It didn't, but check to make sure <frankbooth> file manager integration can be solved by making a "fake" nautilus script btw <frankbooth> so it opens pcmanfm instead of trying to open nautilus <pete__> frankbooth, how do I do that? <frankbooth> you won't have the right-click option obviously (might be solveable somehow however, dunno) <frankbooth> I create symbolic links however, and place them in the dropbox folder <frankbooth> but maybe it's the right-click feature you're after <pete__> what right click feature? <pete__> I just want it to sync my files, I don't care if it puts those little symbols in the corner like Nautilus did <frankbooth> :) true that <frankbooth> pete__ the guide you pasted doesn't work for 11.04, or? <pete__> i followed Unit193 and just installed the deb. It seems to be going fine and I don't think I have nautilus installed in secret (the way it used to on XFCE systems <frankbooth> cool <pete__> going to sign off for a bit thanks Unit193 and frankbooth for your help and support <pete__> P <Unit193> Sure! Glad we could help #lubuntu 2011-09-04 <X_already_in_use> anyone here a pro at using Transmission BitTorrent client on their lubuntu? <Unit193> I haven't really ever used Transmission as I don't like it, but there are 90 nicks in #transmission if you would like to ask there <X_already_in_use> I tried no one is answering, and I only use torrent when I want a quickie download of the file, cuz using the browser i get about 150-300 kB/s with torrent i get 1.4 mB/s <X_already_in_use> Usually closing the client should turn off the upload speed right? just wondering if that's the end of it, I've had other bad experience with other BitTorrent program like Pandora Media Booster than runs in the background and upload stuff without my knowledge, lol, took me a few days to figure it out, my internet was going nuts. <Unit193> If you close it and there is no tray icon, it's dead <Unit193> Also, you can open htop and make real sure it's not running if you don't trust it <X_already_in_use> open htop ? what's that <Unit193> !info htop <ubot5> htop (source: htop): interactive processes viewer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9-2 (natty), package size 57 kB, installed size 204 kB <X_already_in_use> ty ill use that <jmarsden> Unit193: Why do you need htop for that? ps -C transmission <X_already_in_use> ps -C transmission is that a command line <X_already_in_use> i tried it on the terminal it says PID TTY TIME CMD <jmarsden> Yes. Then you don't have any processes called transmission running. <X_already_in_use> well actually I do... :O <X_already_in_use> oh nvm its called transmission-gtk <jmarsden> I don't think so. maybe transmission-something... right. <X_already_in_use> thnx for that command, ill save that on my Linux-Command.odt <X_already_in_use> :> brb trying out other distro <jmarsden> You can also do ps -ax |grep transmission # to find processes with transmission in their name... <Unit193> jmarsden: You don't, it can just be easier for SOME <jmarsden> OK... Lubuntu is abotu being lightweight, so... if you can do something with the default install, IMO you should do so, not add extra programs unless they are really needed. <Unit193> Ah, I forgot that wasn't installed by default <Alchemik> Hi all. <Unit193> Really? <Genscher> Hey - are the daily builds useable? (and better in compare to the beta?) <silverarrow> hardly better <silverarrow> in general <silverarrow> might get an update or fix you look for though <head_victim> Basically it's the same as a beta that has been updated. <silverarrow> but I would consult the makers of them <silverarrow> for example, VLC 2 is stable enough to trust it seems <Genscher> ah nice to know. I'm going for a vacation with my netbook and wonder if Lubuntu can be trusted for that <head_victim> I've used Lubuntu for 2 releases now, it's always been good to me <Genscher> Thanks for your help :) Will download the daily and try it <head_victim> If you want stability I don't think a beta release is your best bet though unless you're used to dealing with developmental releases <silverarrow> yes, lubuntu have been trustworthy here too <Genscher> Well, as long as I don't get kernel panics.... ;) <silverarrow> though I would bring the live cd <silverarrow> I have had updates mess up grub <Genscher> only using the laptop for simple web surfing + gps routing <silverarrow> it works for any application really <Genscher> and i guess it beats Suse Linux anyway (came with Netbook preinstalled, left 10MB of 1,5GB free so I couldn't even play a normal video) :D <silverarrow> SUSE has grown big? <head_victim> Genscher: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall would also be a good look for a small hdd <silverarrow> how did you make lubuntu install Genscher ? <Genscher> Using http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ on USB drive. 1.5GB RAM i meant, not HDD :) <silverarrow> I see <silverarrow> for usb booting puppy linux has some advantages <silverarrow> I'm not shore about 256MB RAM but it has a savefile function that works well <Trusardi> hey how to set keyboard shortcuts in lubuntu? <Trusardi> is it ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml file? <Trusardi> back <head_victim> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ#I_want_to_bind_a_key_to_lock_my_screen.2C_how_do_I_do_it. <head_victim> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ#I_want_to_bind_a_key_to_lock_my_screen.2C_how_do_I_do_it.3F that's better sorry for the long link <head_victim> It shows how to bind a key to the lock screen but you can use it as an example to bind keys to other commands. <Genscher> The graphicall installer doesn't like my netbook ;) "Unknown video mode 314" ;) <Genscher> well, old debian users need only test install mode right? ;) <head_victim> The text installer is a part of the alternate cd <usr13> Anyone know how to map F12 to lxterminal <usr13> ? <Genscher> google? ;) <Genscher> nah, i just have a question: Does anybody know how to circumvent the black screen bug? <Genscher> whenever the screensaver kicks in and i wan tto wake up the pc again, it stays almost black <Genscher> (i can see a glimpse of some windows, very dark) <frankbooth> usr13 you can add your own keybinds in ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml <frankbooth> usr13 like this: <keybind key="F12"><action name="Execute"><command>lxterminal</command></action></keybind> <Genscher> is there a way to disable the screensaver? <Genscher> (finally got lubuntu installed, it's almost impossible on 576 screen height) <Genscher> andif lubuntu is supposed to be light, i wonder why there are 15 games installed ;) <frankbooth> Genscher the games are like 200kb big in total, to disable screensaver: Lubuntu-menu -> Preferences -> Screensaver <Genscher> frankbooth, thank you for your answer. Helped me alot :) <Genscher> btw: I love that lubuntu uses the "old style" menu! No Unity, Gnome 3 and stuff <usr13> Xsession: unsupported number of arguments (2): falling back to default session <usr13> I get desktop background but no lxpanel <usr13> Actually, the error message is displayed in a window in the middle of the screen with (okay) at bottom. You click on (okay) and then you get desktop background but no lxpanel <Genscher> wlan didn't work since 3 packages were missing (broadcom) but works fine now :) <svkoskin> hello. is the installer included with lubuntu cd images similar to one in official ubuntu? <svkoskin> I need to shrink a NTFS partition and I'd especially like to know if the installer can do that <usr13> svkoskin: Yes <svkoskin> okay great <svkoskin> meh <svkoskin> it won't boot <Unit193> Oh do you know the muffin man, the muffin man, the muffin man.... <jmarsden> svkoskin: The installer on the Lubuntu LiveCD is ubiquity, and is *exactly* the same installer used on Ubuntu LiveCDs. By the way, Lubuntu is "official Ubuntu" now, see the release announcement for the latest Oneiric Beta :) <svkoskin> I found that out a while ago :) <jmarsden> Ok, good. <svkoskin> the installer is finally as good as debian-installer used to be <jmarsden> Well, it has a tendency to demand more disk space than it really should for Lubuntu installs at the moment, but I'm working on fixing that... <svkoskin> SYSLINUX didn't work on my hardware, but I managed to make a bootable USB stick with unetbootin <svkoskin> and it worked perfectly <svkoskin> LXDE seems quite a nice software to my use even though I have got less than a year old laptop <jmarsden> OK... the other way around (unetbootin fails, but syslinux is fine) is more common -- but what matters it that you got it to work :) <jmarsden> svkoskin: Yes, there are people who like a lightweight desktop even on modern hardware. It's good that we can give people that option with Lubuntu. <svkoskin> I liked KDE 3 but I don't find Ã¡nything I fancy on current Unity, KDE or Gnome <svkoskin> so it's great you bundle such a distro <jmarsden> Thanks! gilir is the main developer of Lubuntu, I just help out here and there when I can. And pcman is the driving force behind LXDE itself. <svkoskin> okay <shelly> I've got a fresh lubuntu install, and wonder if it's possible I might have messed something up. When I move a window, it kind of skips across the screen rather than dragging smoothly. This didn't happen in XP, so there's got to be a way in lub. Older box with a celeron processor. <silverarrow1> hi <silverarrow1> I have discovered something new <silverarrow1> lubuntu system monitor easts up cpu and ram like massive <silverarrow1> htop is much lighter, runs in terminal <silverarrow1> shows more accurate loads <silverarrow1> especially for minimal systems <silverarrow1> hi <silverarrow1> any one who have experienced gnome freezing entire computer? <silverarrow1> anyone here this late? <phillw> present... does not use gnome <silverarrow1> gnome is usually rather good here <silverarrow1> sorry gnome mplayer <silverarrow1> that would be confusing <silverarrow1> I have found Tor packages in synaptic too <silverarrow1> which I am wondering about <phillw> silverarrow1: I'm actually busy trying to find out where some of our wiki pages vanished to in response to a request from the main forum area..... To say I am not pleased, would be an understatement! <silverarrow1> so there's no common reason why session freezes? <silverarrow1> linux or ubuntu? <silverarrow1> I am really happy with lubuntu, but issues do pop up <phillw> silverarrow1: the boys who play with programs would be better to help you. If none are about on IRC, you could be really cheeky and use ML. :P <silverarrow1> I have puppy too, but it's not full install, <silverarrow1> ML? <phillw> Mailing List :P <silverarrow1> cool <silverarrow1> if they allow amateurs <phillw> silverarrow1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ContactUs <phillw> silverarrow1: They allow me :D <silverarrow1> promising <silverarrow1> and you are not elevated above mere mortal user ? <phillw> silverarrow1: The decision was taken that none of us would wear 'badges'. <silverarrow1> lol <phillw> if you pop onto #lubuntu-offtopic I can better exaplain. <meway> how do I get java to work? <meway> or actually what command to install java? #lubuntu 2011-09-05 <silverarrow1> have you installed restricteds? <silverarrow1> I think java comes with the restricted packs <silverarrow1> there are two lubuntu ones in package manager <meway> the command to intsall restricted packs would be? <silverarrow1> do you have to do it from terminal? <meway> preferred yes <silverarrow1> sudo apt-get restricted lubuntu? <silverarrow1> no, it would be lubuntu-restricted-extras <silverarrow1> I think that should work * phillw as always look at the FAQ. if you REALLY need that area of Java, then head over to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ#Some_Java_applications_don.27t_work.2C_I_want_proprietary_Oracle_Java. <meway> nope <silverarrow1> that gives general java runtime environment <meway> bla I will just look it up in the package manager >.< <silverarrow1> the restricted package version works with most stuff like bank, chats, general online java run stuff <meway> this is not helping <meway> there found it that way <silverarrow1> my first suggestion <phillw> meway: that set of instructions where written by devs. Please let me know in what way that you cannot follow them for your system as they obviously have them working on their own systems. <meway> phillw: I refuse to do research when I asked for a command not a list of links and urls <meway> but thanks for pointing me in the correct direction in any case <phillw> meway: before you leave, can I teach you something? All of us are volunteers and do support free of charge. I am biting my tongue on your attitude. <phillw> 10... 9 ... 8.... 7 .... 6..... 5..... 4.... 3..... 2.... 1.... <silverarrow1> well, some are more demanding that others <phillw> ;glower | meway <DragonEyes> meway: do you want DragonEyes to test out the kickban function on you :P <meway> I have no attitude I was just simply stating that what you gave me was not what I asked for. <phillw> meway: then go and pay for support? <meway> DragonEyes: I just started using this os 2 days ago thats highly inappropriate. <phillw> Microsoft charge lots of money for it? <meway> phillw: sorry if I have offended you <phillw> DragonEyes: say hello to meway <DragonEyes> phillw: "hello to meway" <meway> interesting :) <phillw> meway: pop onto #lubuntu-offtopic <phillw> ;part #lubuntu <silverarrow1> should lubuntu autodetect a usb bluetooth device? <silverarrow> hi <silverarrow> anyone good with repositories? <silverarrow> I have a made a mess with my update <ManDay> Using LUBUNTU, with neither Pulse nor JACK installed (possible traces of ESD), pidgin crashes with a segfault and an error "Cannot connect to server socket; Jack server not running or cannot be started" once a voice call is attempted. Receiving voice calls is also impossible, though does not result in a segfault. The "Sound Preview" in the Preferences appears mute, too, and all settings regarding the <ManDay> output target (the list offers ESD, ALSA, Default, Beep, etc., but neither Pulse nor Jack) are apparently ignored. Any ideas? <maheanuu> Good evening /morning to all from Tahiti <maheanuu> I did a lubuntu install for my daughter on an older NEC tower and all went well until I started getting an error message and the computer drops out and reboots...... <maheanuu> I know that it is the labor day weekend in the usa, just hoping that there might be a guru around <JohnDoe_71Rus> maheanuu: recovery mode does not start to? <maheanuu> JohnDoe, this is the error I am getting I am receiving the following message in Lubuntu (Process :229) GLib WARNING **: getpwuid_r () failed due to unknown user id (0) <maheanuu> being a pretty new noob, I am lost <maheanuu> Have you seen this before? <maheanuu> When I get this I get hung in a reboot loop <maheanuu> It first happened when I was using terminal to get Skype.... <maheanuu> It seems to happen when I am working from the command line, or trying to work from there <maheanuu> I do not get to a recovery mode or at least I am not recognizing it if it is happening <maheanuu> JohnDoe, the only way I can get out of it is to power down and then reboot.... <JohnDoe_71Rus> GLib WARNING **: getpwuid_r () failed due to unknown user id (0) i see this warning. but then system work normal <JohnDoe_71Rus> maheanuu: see log to error <maheanuu> I had just finished doing a driver install for a hp printer and was in the process of downloading and installing skype when this started... The computer is not here with me it is at my daughters house and I am home for the evening and will be going back in the morning <JohnDoe_71Rus> I think it a shared problem ubuntu. Not lubuntu <maheanuu> I have been using Ubuntu for the past 8 months and find it excellent, this is my first time with Lubuntu and actually I do like it. I believe that it will work good on the lower memory older 32 bit machines that I restore and give to the kids who normally would not have computers here in the islands <maheanuu> I believe so, according to what I have managed to read so far, but I am too new to really know where to look or how to report it. I am the only Linux user in a 5 island area and no one even has any idea about Linux here in the leeward iles <ManDay> Using LUBUNTU, with neither Pulse nor JACK installed (possible traces of ESD), pidgin crashes with a segfault and an error "Cannot connect to server socket; Jack server not running or cannot be started" once a voice call is attempted. Receiving voice calls is also impossible, though does not result in a segfault. The "Sound Preview" in the Preferences appears mute, too, and all settings regarding the <ManDay> output target (the list offers ESD, ALSA, Default, Beep, etc., but neither Pulse nor Jack) are apparently ignored. Any ideas? <JohnDoe_71Rus> maheanuu: can you just login to console to read logs ? <maheanuu> Not until tomorrow morning, I will be back at my daughters then, she is at work now.... <maheanuu> I will do that tomorrow first thing, I have done a copy and paste and saved all for use there in the morning thank you. <pete__> ola <Unit193> Howdy <pete__> hey Unit193, cool seeing you again <pete__> I'm sure I could google fu this, but for whatever reason, lubuntu 11.04 seems to autocorrect to ubuntu... anyways, how do I set the touchpad off during keyboard use? <Unit193> Got a problem? <pete__> is it xorg? <Unit193> !synaptics <ubot5> For a comprehensive Synaptics Touchpad guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad <Unit193> I think I should point here <pete__> "Go to System > Preferences > Mouse > Touchpad and uncheck 'Disable touchpad while typing' and 'Enable mouse clicks with touchpad'" <pete__> can't doesn't exist in Lubuntu <Unit193> That guide is for Gnome mainly it seems <pete__> ;) <pete__> dinner, brb <Unit193> !info gpointing-device-settings <ubot5> gpointing-device-settings (source: gpointing-device-settings): configuration tool for pointing devices. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.5.1-4 (natty), package size 58 kB, installed size 584 kB <pete__> install that? <Unit193> I've never used Lubuntu on a laptop, but IIRC, that's what you install <pete__> IIRC? <Unit193> jmarsden: Sorry to ping, but for later, that's the replacement for gsynaptics? <Unit193> If I remember correctly <JohnDoe_71Rus> Date & Time. Can't change settings. autorised not activ. can remove some need packages <pete__> :) Unit193, I installed gpointing-device-settings, and it doesn't have a setting for "turn off touchpad while typing" <pete__> though it does have "palm detection" <Unit193> Alright, I was going to go to bed a half hour ago, but take a look here https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics#Disable_Trackpad_while_Typing (Just do not note what site it's on ;) ) <pete__> :) Cheers, <pete__> go to bed <pete__> am signing off too <pete__> Thanks for all your help <Unit193> Hope something helps! <pete__> take it easy <pete__> it will <pete__> cheers, <pete__> go <silverarrow> are anyone in lubuntu now? <KM0201> o/ <silverarrow> is it possible to play this in gnome or vlc ? http://www.dr.dk/nu/live#/DR2 <silverarrow> gnome mplayer that is <silverarrow> I am having trouble with adobe, cpu heavy <KM0201> it's flash, how would you plan on playing it in mplayer/vlc <silverarrow> I copy and paste address in "location" <KM0201> that's not hw that works <silverarrow> gnome handles some streams fine <KM0201> but not flash <silverarrow> vlc used to though <KM0201> lol, ok <KM0201> vlc has never been able to stream flash. <silverarrow> what is it streaming then? <KM0201> could be anything, but its not flash <silverarrow> when watching youtube, onlie tv, <Unit193> Flash player does play flvs and VLC does handle that <KM0201> youtube, is flash.. you cannot stream youtube to flash <silverarrow> vlc runs youtube <KM0201> Unit193,
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