#ubuntu-us-oh 2010-11-04 <nlawson> what does that mean for drupal? <nlawson> and do any of you frequent reddit? <nlawson> what are some of your choice subreddits? <greyfox-> nlawson: ubuntu linux columbus cfb pics geek funny movies muci listentothis scifi sports <greyfox-> the list goes on... <greyfox-> muci = music <thafreak> eh, there are plenty of projects out there forking mysql, drupal will be fine <thafreak> besides, it already supports postgres doesn't it? Most feel that postgres is a better db than mysql anyway... <thafreak> And most of the forks aim to provide drop in replacements for mysql....like mariadb, and I think drizzle speaks the current mysql protocol <thafreak> in fact, mariadb was actually started by the guy who started mysql...he didn't like what Sun was doing, so he left <thafreak> but he was thinking ahead, he named his project maria, so you can still call the stack "L.A.M.P" <thafreak> :) <deejoe> cut up, Maria! Show me some of them Spanish dances. <canthus13> Wow. Counting Crows... <thafreak> Any of you aware that the actual 4G spec is supposed to offer 100Mbps for "high mobility" devices (cell phones) <thafreak> and up to 1Gbps on "lower mobility" devices... <thafreak> I'm sorry, but sprint, verizon, etc don't have a 4g network... <thafreak> bah, how do big companies get away with this crap <thafreak> http://www.bgr.com/2010/11/03/the-4g-forgery/ * BiosElement has never quite seen the point in faster networks...all it means is you get to hit the 5mb cap in 30 seconds instead of 4 minutes. <deejoe> BiosElement: e-nis bragging rights <BiosElement> Heh, probably <thafreak> good point <canthus13> http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/wpix-stanford-police-halloween-fight,0,7821152.story <Cheri703> you guys would appreciate this: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs243.snc4/39510_417673063213_580943213_4884720_5756053_n.jpg <Cheri703> it made me chuckle <Cheri703> nice canthus13 * BiosElement is working up bullet points for his apparent talk on monday >.> #ubuntu-us-oh 2010-11-05 <canthus13> .243? Or .308? <BiosElement> Heh, .coming_monday canthus13 :P <canthus13> :) <dmcglone> Hi people :-) <canthus13> No hi people here. :P <Cheri703> hey boys <dmcglone> boys? <dmcglone> you mean "men" <dmcglone> :-) <Cheri703> ...boys <Cheri703> ;) <dmcglone> oh well, i've been called worse... LOL <BiosElement> >.> <dmcglone> Last week I was so pissed off at fantasy football <dmcglone> I just set my line up and the guy that beat me last week, was gloating, but he only won because my best WR was on bye week, my quarterback couldn't get going and my TE got injured in the first quarter <dmcglone> either way, I would have won if my TE wouldn't have got injured <dmcglone> BiosElement: php rules, python drools * BiosElement dropkicks dmcglone >.> <dmcglone> ouch that hurt <dmcglone> but at least it woke you up <BiosElement> lol I've been up for ages :P <dmcglone> how did you manage that? <dmcglone> eating coffee grounds? <BiosElement> Heh Yep <dmcglone> why not just roll em and smoke me... LOL <dmcglone> smoke em that is <dmcglone> lol <BiosElement> >.> <dmcglone> I usually mix my coffee grounds with water, it taste better that way <dmcglone> How can you tell when a programmer has had sex? <dmcglone> When heâs washing the pepper spray out of his eyes. <BiosElement> That's 'really' poor taste. >.> <Cheri703> agreed <dmcglone> it was the joke of the day <dmcglone> don't blame me <dmcglone> I didn't vote <Cheri703> you did repost it <dmcglone> yeah I did <dmcglone> thought you all might get a kick out of it <dmcglone> AAAAA: American Association Against Acronym Abuse. <Cheri703> implied rape isn't really amusing... <dmcglone> I didn't see it that way, I seen it as a "geek" not being liked <Cheri703> well, if he had sex with someone who pepper sprayed him, then apparently it wasn't consensual, ergo rape <dmcglone> true <dmcglone> I got that one all wrong :-( <Cheri703> many people find humor where humor doesn't exist... <Cheri703> glad you're willing to acknowledge the difference :) <Cheri703> (many people won't) <dmcglone> Ah well, I'm not perfect :-) <dmcglone> I didn't see what it meant till you pointed it out <dmcglone> I was looking at it more of the perspective of us not being liked at all <Cheri703> I'd go with "how d you know when a programmer has had sex?" "when he's cleaning his keyboard" <dmcglone> ewwwwwwww <Cheri703> ha <dmcglone> thats gross <dmcglone> lol * Cheri703 is watching Lewis Black, he's HILARIOUS <dmcglone> took me a minute but I got it <dmcglone> I'll be back, going to take a quick shower and get on the laptop <Cheri703> http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2010/09/13/the-routine-pic/ <dmcglone1> what was you watching again cheri? <Cheri703> a Lewis Black special <Cheri703> also, did you catch that link? <Cheri703> http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2010/09/13/the-routine-pic/ <dmcglone1> is it on tv <Cheri703> nah, I maaaay have downloaded it <Cheri703> I saw it on comedy central a while back <Cheri703> he's so freaking funny <dmcglone1> Oh <dmcglone1> I've seen that link before :-) <Unit1931> http://www.fakeposters.com/posters/android-vs-iphone/ <Cheri703> yeah, I like that one :) <BiosElement> Wow windows games suck...I boot up win to play a game...then start reading a book cause I'm bored <Unit1931> Tested Nexuiz? <Unit1931> MW3? <Unit1931> (The first is also Linux :) <BiosElement> Eh, I refuse to use support the Nexuiz devs who stole from the entire foss community <dmcglone1> night people :-) <Unit1931> BiosElement: What Linux games do you play? <BiosElement> Unit1931, Sauerbraten, Minecraft, Dwarf Fortress. Also developing a FOSS game engine. <BiosElement> I really wonder why twitter complains about spam so much. If someone posts the exact same link 30 times in 24 hours, I'd put money on it being spam. >.> <thafreak> Morning Ohio <canthus13> herro. * Cheri703 is tired and pissy <_bbb> not a good combo <Cheri703> yeah, got about 2 hours of sleep and boss is ridiculous, it's good times #ubuntu-us-oh 2010-11-06 <canthus13> wow. quiet. <Unit1931> Yep <BiosElement> A tad <BiosElement> Hmm, who wants to tell me how horrid my latest business card draft is? http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2623/mybusinesscardv2.png <Unit1931> Looks like a lightsaber... <Cheri703> I would look, but lately when I try to go to links that are just an image, I get 404 errors :/ <BiosElement> haha yeah, it kinda does. Wasn't really intended but it sorta worked <Unit1931> crap... it wasn't supposed to? <BiosElement> haha no, but I agree it does look like one :P <Unit1931> What were you going for? <BiosElement> Unit1931, Something abstract. I guess it kinda worked heh <Unit1931> anyone seen this? http://ultimateedition.info <Unit1931> Screenshots look cool <Cheri703> hey Unit1931, how are you tonight? <Unit1931> Cheri703: Fine, and you? <Cheri703> not too shabby, trying to figure out what to watch <Unit1931> I need to get to bed :( <Unit1931> Gotta get up before 7 tomorrow... <Cheri703> ew <Cheri703> that sucks <Unit1931> I'm a late night person too... <Cheri703> same here <Unit1931> Got a conference in C-bus <Cheri703> nice <Unit1931> eh, sorta... <Cheri703> what kind of conference? <Unit1931> Part of some 4-H thing I'm in... <Cheri703> nice <Cheri703> I did 4-H back in the day <Unit1931> http://thechive.com/2010/09/23/wrong-exam-answers-are-right-in-my-heart-20-photos/ <dmcglone1> Hi guys <Unit1931> Hey dmcglone1 <dmcglone1> n gals <dmcglone1> :-) <Cheri703> yo dmcglone1 <dmcglone1> I still kinda feel a little bad about that bad joke yesterday <dmcglone1> I wonder what kind of cereal we have :-) I think I'll go get me a bowl <dmcglone1> frosted mini wheats <Unit1931> play-by-play? <Cheri703> Unit1931: we don't get out much <dmcglone1> Hmmm. that was a commercial wasn't it? <Unit1931> And you think I do? <Cheri703> just saying <Unit1931> And I just have to give people a hard time ;-) <BiosElement> Just a heads up: http://blog.nerdchic.net/archives/418/ Probably should read. I can't say I believe it. (As in I do, but shocked.) <dmcglone1> Unit1931: them test answers were funny <Unit1931> This sound right to you? http://www.cybersalt.org/cleanlaugh-archive/5432 <Cheri703> BiosElement: I reposted that in ubuntu-women <BiosElement> Thanks Cheri703. Send it to the ohio loco too if you've got something typed up, or I will in a few minutes. No reason the loco can't take a mindful role of preventing idiocy like that. <Cheri703> nah, I just posted the link <BiosElement> Ahh cool <BiosElement> Back in just a few <Cheri703> paultag and I were discussing that there aren't many women in the loco <Cheri703> hoping to change that eventually <paultag> Yuppers <paultag> +1 Cheri703 <Cheri703> so far you guys seem like a non-neanderthal lot, so I don't think we'd face many of the same issues other areas have faced <Cheri703> :) <Unit1931> I really need to go now... :( <dmcglone1> later Unit1931 <Unit1931> See you dmcglone1 <Cheri703> situations like that are one of the reasons I don't consume alcohol or other substances...I never want to have a situation where someone says "if you hadn't ____, then they wouldn't have ____" and if I can have no control over anything else, I'll have control of myself... <Cheri703> night Unit1931 <Unit1931> Night Cheri703 <dmcglone1> what initiated this conversation? was it the bad joke? <Cheri703> link bios posted <Cheri703> BiosElement posted <dmcglone1> I read it <Cheri703> just an unfortunately prevalent attitude that so many people ignore because "that stuff doesn't happen anymore" or "men don't treat women differently anymore" etc <dmcglone1> I was sittin here thinking I'll never live up to that one :-/ <Cheri703> dmcglone1, BiosElement, paultag: have you guys been to http://ubuntu-women.org ? probably, but just saying <Cheri703> if the whole loco got on board with it and were actively encouraging women (not in a creepy way :) ) then that'd be AWESOME <dmcglone1> no, but I frequently visit kde-women <Cheri703> not saying to shift focus to JUST women, but...it'd be pretty darn cool to make sure they were comfortable/welcome <paultag> Cheri703, I have always been and always will be a proponent of woman in F/OSS. I love the Ubuntu Woman project, and yes, I have been to the site <Cheri703> figured you had :) <paultag> :) <Cheri703> complete subject change: I'm looking for a new tv show to watch...I tend to take shows and watch ALL old episodes up to present...any suggestions welcome, but I might not take them ;) <paultag> Cheri703, House <Cheri703> done :) <dmcglone1> I know a really good C++ programmer @woman.kde.org, she helped me quite a bit when I was struggling with C++ <paultag> Cheri703, It's always Sunny in Philadelphia <Cheri703> I will make an approximate list for you guys: <dmcglone1> no cable right Cheri703? <Cheri703> sons of anarchy, house, burn notice, bones, ncis, castle, chuck, stargate universe, criminal minds, grey's anatomy, private practice, big bang theory, 30 rock, buffy the vampire slayer, firefly, covert affairs, the closer, true blood, army wives, psych, sanctuary, the IT crowd <BiosElement> Reading up <Cheri703> many others that I can't think of atm <Cheri703> the pretender, M.A.N.T.I.S., etc <BiosElement> dmcglone1, No, the joke didn't start it. It came up on my identica feed <Cheri703> all of those I've watched EVERY episode (/me likes background noise), so... <Cheri703> I need another series I can watch start to finish :) <Cheri703> (or several, I went through 4 seasons of 30 rock last weekend... <Cheri703> ) <dmcglone1> thats good to know. :-) <BiosElement> Cheri703, And yeah, seen ubuntuwomen <Cheri703> :) <BiosElement> Yay for reading up heh <Cheri703> dmcglone1: I have the internets, no cable needed ;) <dmcglone1> Cheri703: you just about covered everything on primetime, if you don't have cable, I don't know what i could suggest <dmcglone1> lol my lips are sealed <dmcglone1> My favorite all time primetime show "Cheers" <paultag> Cheri703, 30 rock 30 rock 30 rock 30 rock30 rock <paultag> Cheri703, 30 rock, and also 30 rock <paultag> Oh yes, 30 rock <Cheri703> did that last week! :) <paultag> so good <paultag> so good <Cheri703> tina fey is HILARIOUS <paultag> so good <paultag> so good <Cheri703> yeah <Cheri703> I got the husband hooked on sons of anarchy <Cheri703> oo, sorry, 30 rock was 2 weeks ago, sons of anarchy was last weekend <paultag> Werewolf bar mitzvah, spooky scary <Cheri703> heh, yeah <paultag> boys becoming men <paultag> men becoming wolfs <Cheri703> men becoming wolves! <paultag> woo!!!! <paultag> <3 <paultag> such a great series <dmcglone1> cheri where do you get these shows from on the internet? <Cheri703> some on hulu <dmcglone1> I'd like to watch the cheers episodes <dmcglone1> I miss that show. <dmcglone1> Ok I'm headed to bed :-/ <Cheri703> night <dmcglone1> bye guys <dmcglone1> and gals... LOL * Cheri703 had about 3 hours of sleep in the last 37 hours...woo! <dmcglone1> g'night <dmcglone1> wow <dmcglone1> I'd be dead if that were me <dmcglone1> g'night :-) <Cheri703> it's been...interesting <Cheri703> I want to get some new show downloading before I go to bed, then as I work on stuff tomorrow I can watch it <BiosElement> Ugh, yay for my best friend making my life difficult <canthus13> he didn't kiss you did he? <canthus13> (or she) <BiosElement> canthus13, Not even close heh * Cheri703 is watching Seaquest :) <BiosElement> Heh, fun <Cheri703> ahh 90's future shows :) <BiosElement> I just got as much work done as possible working on an unexpected ride for a friend from Cincinnati >.> <Cheri703> nice <BiosElement> Eh, it's what happens when I trust her to plan for herself <BiosElement> No sleep in 3 days, no food in 2 + no hotel room + no ride home. >.> Great planning <BiosElement> Off to sleep I go <Cheri703> night <scooter2> Goog morning! <scooter2> Good morning! <BiosElement> haha afternoon scooter2 <scooter2> Hi! I just wanted to report that 10.10 made my suspend and hibernate work. <Cheri703> woo! <BiosElement> haha it's a miracle <scooter2> Yeah! Really nice for going to class and all that. <Unit193> Back! <Cheri703> wb <Unit193> Tired..... <Unit193> Hello Cheri703 <Cheri703> how was your thing today? <Unit193> Good, long drive.... too early... <Unit193> other people that went were fine... <Unit193> When you go outside in the morning and see stars... <Cheri703> that's a wee bit too early <Unit193> I'm going for a bit of sleep... <Cheri703> ttyl <Unit193> Bye for now! <deejoe> whee, release party #ubuntu-us-oh 2010-11-07 <dmcglone> Hi everyone <BiosElement> unHi dmcglone <dmcglone> what's up? <dmcglone> anyone good with database design? <BiosElement> Eh, maybe. haha <Cheri703> Don't forget daylight savings time! <dmcglone> I'm just fooling around with techniques on paging <dmcglone> was wondering if I should number the pages in the DB or just go by the "title" of the page <BiosElement> dmcglone, As in number each db entry? Or tag 15 entries with 'page5'? <dmcglone> more like putting a number to each db entry, besides the primary key ID <dmcglone> for instance the db would look something like this: <dmcglone> ID | page | description <BiosElement> Sounds like you're over-thinking it maybe. <dmcglone> and when called, go by the page number to get the description <dmcglone> I think I am too <BiosElement> I'm not aware of any db design that actually does that. <dmcglone> say for instance I put in the db ID 1 | page index | description bla bla bla on the page <dmcglone> wait a second, that wasn't correct <dmcglone> more like: ID 1 | page 1 | description bla bla bla text on page <BiosElement> You think too hard :P <dmcglone> I usually pull from the DB by title <dmcglone> I was playing around today and was trying new techniques <BiosElement> You may have a good idea, but I think it's probably more complex then it's worth. <dmcglone> and I pull the content for that page based on the page title <dmcglone> it's pretty much the way all the CMS's do it <dmcglone> I can't use the actual ID because it may not match up with the page title <dmcglone> I've even used case statements for page display :-) <dmcglone> huh, matter of fact I've used if else to display them too <dmcglone> is google sucking bad or what? I do a search and get a complete blank page <dmcglone> BiosElement: check this out, I wrote this about 5 years ago, simple function to get the page number from the db and display it's contents http://pastebin.com/5nwXPHLV <BiosElement> Mmm Ahh cool <dmcglone> with that code, I could enter everything for the page into a db and give that page a number and it would automagically generate that page <dmcglone> Oh the power of PHP ;-) <BiosElement> lol, I bet I could do it in python easier ;) * Cheri703 watches yet another python / php pissing match <Cheri703> :D <dmcglone> bet? you don't sound so confident ;-) <dmcglone> lol Cheri703 <Cheri703> put them on the table and measure already! <dmcglone> haha <dmcglone> I might break the table :-/ <dmcglone> he's awful quiet, he's probably googling how to write paging methods for python <dmcglone> lol <dmcglone> I got another one for ya, that doesn't use a DB. I'll post it on PB for you to droooooooool over... LOL <dmcglone> drool on this: http://pastebin.com/Q3ZXQk57 <dmcglone> Ah come on dude, you gotta drop kick me or something, just give me a sign... lol <dmcglone> and no I don't mean the middle finger haha <BiosElement> lol, sorry. Neck deep in auth code atm <Cheri703> can I just say for the record: SeaQuest is RIDICULOUS <dmcglone1> whats seaquest? <dmcglone1> a game? <dmcglone1> auth code in pearl? ;-) <Cheri703> 90's sci-fi tv show <dmcglone1> Oh ok <dmcglone1> I'm watching "I almost got away with it" <dmcglone1> getting ready to get my midnight snack. Cereal :-D <dmcglone1> shredded wheat anyone? <dmcglone1> well I'm off to bed :-) <dmcglone1> g'night everyone <BiosElement> Folks nextdoor want to run up and down the stairs all night and bang things around...apparently tonight's a free loud music night! ^_^ <BiosElement> Yay for long as hell day tomorrow #ubuntu-us-oh 2010-11-08 <canthus13> paultag: see this yet? http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/11/hack_the_new_xbox_kinect_and_collec.html <paultag> hell yeah canthus13 <paultag> rocken <BiosElement> paultag, That is epic <BiosElement> Microsoft takes the apple route <BiosElement> And they admit it...and people don't seem to care >.> <BiosElement> At least apple pretends they're not doing it <deejoe_> bah <deejoe> a pox on both their houses <deejoe> pretends they aren't doing what, BiosElement? <BiosElement> deejoe, Pretend they aren't preventing you from using your iPhone however you want. They at least hide behind "We're doing x to improve user expirence" etc. <BiosElement> Microsoft flat out says "We dun let you do what u want. Peroid." <deejoe> I don't see the difference, really. <deejoe> it isn't to *improve* the experience of what you've already bought that Apple does that, ostensibly, it's to *maintain* the user experience. <BiosElement> deejoe, The diff is apple claims it's for a good reason. Microsoft just claims they'll keep doing it <deejoe> ie, tamper-prevention. <deejoe> so, it's the same. <BiosElement> Eh nah, i Disagree. It's a tad different <deejoe> does that difference really matter to you? <BiosElement> It does. It's just my opinion but it does matter to me. Apple at least has a semi-logical arguement. Microsoft just claims they don't want you using your toy however you want <deejoe> that's not what they're saying. They're just saying they don't want people "tampering" with it. <deejoe> you're reading the rest into it. <BiosElement> No? I'm really not. I think you misunderstand me or something. :| <deejoe> Apple probably had to elaborate because of that legal case they were wrapped up. <deejoe> BiosElement: are we reading the same thing? <deejoe> the words "you" don't even appear, do they? <deejoe> the word "safeguards" does, though <deejoe> and that can as easily be read as being for the benefit of the user as anything else. <BiosElement> aka preventing me from using the device I paid for. For 'no reason'. <deejoe> s/wrapped up/wrapped up in/ <deejoe> but that's an argument based on the effects, not on the claims, and the effects for Apple and MS are the *same* <BiosElement> Effect is the same, but at least apple's pr understands people will disagree and throws 'some' arguement their way <deejoe> I mean, hell, Apple just shut down all their clone cable makers. <deejoe> Apple sings you a sweet song of bullshit, and so that warms your heart, eh? <deejoe> bah <BiosElement> I'm not an apple fan. Hell, I've ranted about them before. But I do think they're a degree better then microsoft in this particular instance. <deejoe> and I see any difference as a drop in a huge bucket <deejoe> ie, not worth defending <BiosElement> I'm just defending my opinion. I just think it's a subtle difference in how the diff companies operate. <deejoe> and, as I said, probably the result more of their attempt to block alternate firmware as anything. <deejoe> MS is approaching Apple's litigiousness, but I think they still have a way to go. <deejoe> and, FWIW, I see Apple as *worse* in this regard. <deejoe> whoah <deejoe> I wonder if that quit message is serious <Cheri703> random note: the makers of the kinect actually shopped it to apple first <Cheri703> that's always his quit message if I recall correctly <Cheri703> yo homies <BiosElement> Hey Cheri703 <Cheri703> how are you doing? <BiosElement> Cheri703, Not bad. Just got business cards printed up for Media Bridges tomorrow. <Cheri703> very cool <Cheri703> how si that going? <Cheri703> *is <BiosElement> Heh, it's gonna be a mess but hopefully I won't make the loco look bad. :P <Cheri703> :) <Cheri703> did those case studies help at all? <BiosElement> Cheri703, Ahh yeah they were useful. Right now I'm just gonna play it by ear and am just grabbing a few nice big numbers for users and such. <Cheri703> good good :) <BiosElement> Yeah <BiosElement> Just jotting some of these down heh * BiosElement hunts for how many LoCo's there are <BiosElement> Be nice if the directory listed how many there were <BiosElement> Someone do me a fav and count these up if you got a sec: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ I'm trying to hunt through other articles. >.> <Cheri703> sure <BiosElement> Thanks Cheri703 <Cheri703> 166 <Cheri703> just copied them into OO spreadsheet :) <Cheri703> makes life easier, counts them for you <BiosElement> Thanks hahaha. That's a good way to do it :P * Cheri703 does that often <BiosElement> Wait...we're dumping X too? Wow <canthus13> Hrm... Teh kinect will take naked pictures of you. <Cheri703> I'm kind of annoyed that now that I'm getting involved in ubuntu and really liking ubuntu, they're like, "oh, let's change EVERYTHING including major positive points about ubuntu" >.< <canthus13> Me too. I'm eyeballing other distros. We'll see how it goes. <BiosElement> It may be a great idea, but it may bite em. I'll be the first to say I dnno what I'm talking about when it comes to X. :P <Cheri703> :( I don't want to have to change distros...I might just stick with 10.04 for a while...it's just, how do I promote it to other people when I don't like the changes being made :/ <BiosElement> I'm sure someone will roll a custom version with the old system :P <canthus13> Yeah, but the little custom versions tend to die off quickly. <BiosElement> If it turns out to be a bad idea, it'll rollback. heh <Unit193> Linux Mint? <Unit193> It's Ubuntu based <Unit193> (If I remember right) <Cheri703> I've heard bad things about mint...good things too, but...I don't know that I'd try it <BiosElement> Meh, I generally feel mint pretends it's not based on Ubuntu. Though apparently that was due to canonical bitching >.> <deejoe> mint has a debian-based version lately, too <Unit193> I have it on some computer... but I don't use that computer much... * Cheri703 needs another show to watch, got most of the way through the first season of SeaQuest and can't handle any more <BiosElement> haha that didn't take long :P <Cheri703> I watched 17 episodes <canthus13> Cheri703: Dr. Who. <Cheri703> hmmmmmm.....yes <canthus13> Or Torchwood... If you don't mind seeing men make out. <Cheri703> found a torrent of the old ones...200gb for seasons 1-26 <Cheri703> o.O <Unit193> you got the space? :-D <Cheri703> . o O (ponders the 500gb external hdd that isn't often used) <canthus13> Wow. I've got all the current episodes... * Cheri703 likes watching a show from the very beginning <canthus13> You could safely start with the current rendition... (Drs. 8, 9, and 10) <Cheri703> yeah, but that won't keep me amused for a long period of time... <Cheri703> I pretty much have stuff on as background noise <Cheri703> the one good thing about having cable: random stuff to have on <dmcglone1> Hi everyone <BiosElement> Whew, Ars TEchnica really needs to start moderating comments. >.< * BiosElement is really loving the rants about how "OMFG NO NETWORK TRANSPARENCY I DUN USE MA 1337 SSH HAXS!". Seems people forget ubuntu isn't a power user distro >.> <nlawson> does someone have william chambers phone number? <thafreak> Morning Ohio <_bbb> hey paultag <paultag> howdy there _bbb <paultag> How goes? <_bbb> saw you were at nightown sat night <_bbb> i was at the grog <_bbb> for electric six <paultag> _bbb, dude I almost went!!!! <paultag> _bbb, my buddy was there, he's a big dude with a ginger bear. Looking stupid as hell with a cozy for his tall boy ( I'm guessing PBR ) <paultag> _bbb, well fuck! Next time you're hitting something at the grog, let me know, I love hitting up shows * Cheri703 went to the grog shop years ago <paultag> Cheri703, I love it <paultag> BRB, shower time for me. <thafreak> WHAT'S UP CLEVELAND <thafreak> yay, davmail is behaving better again! I can stop booting that windows pc just to run outlook! <thafreak> nm, methinks I spoke to soon... <_bbb> will do <Cheri703> http://work.failblog.org/2010/11/08/job-lols-it-doesnt-even-need-a-firewall/ * BiosElement survived the Media Bridges meeting ^_^ <TheErk> yay! <BiosElement> haha, actually went pretty welll. Now another group knows wth a LoCo is >.> #ubuntu-us-oh 2010-11-09 <Cheri703> chocolate/hazelnut ice cream = AWESOME <BiosElement> Yay * Cheri703 made some last night and ate some a bit ago :) <_bbb> ever had the queen city cayanne from jeni's? <_bbb> recommended <Cheri703> no, I've only had a few from there <Cheri703> it's EXPENSIVE <_bbb> its chocolate and chili <_bbb> yeah <_bbb> i think i paid $10 for a pint <Cheri703> I can make mine for about $2 per pint or less, depending on if I have to buy my own goat milk or if I get it free from some people I know... <Cheri703> and I can make all kinds of fun flavors <_bbb> well yeah <Cheri703> and I can make about 3 batches in quick succession before the thing needs to go back in the freezer (made 3 flavors in one day a few weeks ago) <_bbb> sounds like work! <Cheri703> well, we were going to dinner with some friends <Cheri703> and not that much work, mix up the stuff, dump it in the thing, crank every 3-5 min <deejoe_> which maker do you have Cheri703? <_bbb> and which flavors? <Cheri703> http://www.amazon.com/Donvier-837409W-1-Quart-Cream-Maker/dp/B00006484E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1289327889&sr=8-1 <Cheri703> and that day I made mint chocolate chip, strawberry, and chocolate chip cookie dough <Cheri703> I have also made chocolate, vanilla, chocolate hazelnut, a not-especially-successful apple cider sorbet (still working on that one) * Cheri703 didn't pay $60 for an ice cream maker, mom found it for $6 at a yard sale <deejoe_> there's an awesome recipe for grapefruit sorbet I made years ago <Cheri703> ooo, that sounds refreshing <deejoe_> alternated between freezing on a cookie sheet and mixing in a food processor <Cheri703> ah, nice <deejoe_> I think it'd be fun to try it in a paddle-containing ice cream maker on a small scale like that <deejoe_> the normal back-yard ice-cream maker is far too big <Cheri703> I HIGHLY recommend the donvier...it's really easy and really good, and easy to clean as well <deejoe_> might have to be a holiday gift list item <deejoe_> so, thanks for the link <Cheri703> sure :) <Cheri703> I use non-cooked recipes <Cheri703> they are quick to melt, but I find the texture really good and much easier to pep <Cheri703> *prep <Cheri703> I use whole goat milk, easier on the system than cow milk <canthus13> Made from a whole goat? <Cheri703> yes, yes it is <canthus13> Ah. I'd think you would only need the back half... <Cheri703> no, have to have the hooves and horns <deejoe_> some people like more crunch <Cheri703> that's what gives it flavor <canthus13> Mmm... <Cheri703> goaty goat goat <canthus13> Goats are tasty. * canthus13 loves bbq goat. <Cheri703> at whatever point that I own my own property and have the space, I'll have a few dairy goats and some chickens... <Cheri703> protein sources that don't require death are always good if I'm raising them myself :) * canthus13 has no problem slaughtering food. <canthus13> Can't stand pure trophy hunters, though. :( <canthus13> Nothing worse than finding a bloated, rotting, headless, half-skinned animal in the woods. :( You'd think they'd have the courtesy to at least donate the meat. <Cheri703> yeah, I'm fine with people who hunt and EAT what they kill, or as you said, donate the meat, and I'm fine with eating meat in general, but no organs (or tongue or whatever) and I (as much as possible) avoid eating meat on the bone <Cheri703> if I can build the animal from the parts I'm eating, then that's not so good...also if I were to look the animal in the eye when it was alive, then be presented with meat from it, no go <Cheri703> so if I were producing my own food source, dairy and eggs would be about it on the protein side... <canthus13> Heh. <JonathanD> trade with a neighbor who is also producing his own food. <Cheri703> JonathanD: exactly, that'd work too <canthus13> I was watching a youtube video of some guy slaughtering his rabbits... Kinda creepy in a way. He actually has a little dandelion garden just for the condemned.. Lets 'em get a good nibble, then shoots 'em in the back of the head. <Cheri703> I just couldn't go "oh, I have fed you and cared for you EVERY DAY and now I'm going to kill and eat you" <Cheri703> ugh, no <canthus13> But at the same time, he was very nice to them, right up to the end. <Cheri703> well, that's good, humane (ish?) practices are good, I just wouldn't be able to do it <Cheri703> or watch someone do it <Cheri703> people gore I have no problem with, animals? bad. <Cheri703> I watch movies where people are beaten up, killed, whatever, but some movie had a guy stomp a dog to death, I was done. that was completely off the list * Cheri703 doesn't like animal abuse <Cheri703> food is a different story (though there are some CRAPPY practices there too) <deejoe_> "pets or meat?" * canthus13 feels much the same. <canthus13> meaty pets. :P <canthus13> a friend of mine was mostly vegetarian because she grew up on a farm and couldn't bear the thought of eating a former pet... <canthus13> She'd happily eat chicken, though.. she thought they were evil little animals. :) <_bbb> el chupacabra! <canthus13> la chickencabra. <Buzz_> What's up Buckeyes? <Buzz_> I've been using ubuntu (and other linux OS) for about 4 years <Buzz_> was curious what you guys like for mp3 software....I'm currently using Audacious <Buzz_> OH...I'm on a minimal install of 10.04 <dmcglone> Hi peeps ;-) <Buzz_> hi <dmcglone> hello Buzz_ are you the new kid on the block? <Buzz_> I suppose I am <Buzz_> been messin with ubuntu since 8.04 (I think) <Buzz_> am totally loving my minimal install....CLI isn't nearly as tough as I thought it would be, lol <dmcglone> thats cool. I've been a linux users since '93 <Buzz_> wow, you've forgot more about linux that I know <Buzz_> I've messed with a few different distros....fedora, kanotix, all the buntu's, crunchbang, pclos, ect.... <Buzz_> I keep coming back to Ubuntu <Buzz_> anyway, nice to find Ohio Ubuntu, I'm sure I'll be here often <dmcglone> :-) glad to hear <paultag> challah all <paultag> thanks dmcglone :) #ubuntu-us-oh 2010-11-10 <dmcglone> paultag: for? <dmcglone> Hiya Cheri703 <canthus13> bah. My mouse has suddenly decided to flip out on me. <canthus13> ....and now it's working again. <canthus13> that was weird. <dmcglone> lol <dmcglone> I got it <Cheri703> hey * Cheri703 was driving home earlier <canthus13> ...as long as you're not driving home now, while IRCing. :) <Cheri703> nah <Cheri703> sitting on my couch eating an ice cream cone <Cheri703> was verreh tasteh * BiosElement wants an ice cream cone! >.> <Cheri703> BiosElement: if you make it up to mansfield, I'll make some ice cream for you <BiosElement> haha careful, I might hold ya to that :P * Cheri703 still has a little bit of the chocolate/hazelnut left <paultag> dmcglone, humm? <Cheri703> seriously, if/when we have the multi-reloco gathering up here (still hoping to do that in the spring) I can take requests and make up various types <BiosElement> Yeah, I think it's a must to get the diff reloco's gathered all over <thafreak> Anyone know what the name of the app to change monitor settings is? <thafreak> I'm trying to run it from fluxbox, to get my netbook to switch to external monitor <thafreak> the keyboard keys are not seeming to work. <thafreak> nevermind...gdm can figure it out before I log into fluxbox <BiosElement> Morning folks <BiosElement> :P <thafreak> BiosElement: you have my vote...under one condition...I get to call you "willy" chambers... <thafreak> ? <BiosElement> >.> I really don't care. :P <paultag> thafreak, ahahahahahahahahahaha <canthus13> Heh. <thafreak> Oh nice...I just had to show my boss amazon's AWS website, and I notice that new users now get 5GB free storage on S3/month for their first year <paultag> thafreak, :) <deejoe> yeah, I'm wondering if I'll be able to get a free instance for work, and then a free instance for personal. <BiosElement> Wow... <BiosElement> Apache Foundation is protecting Oracle/Sun's breach of contract by trying to scuttle the JCP Council agreement for Java 7 and yet people make Apache out to be the bad guys. Awesome * BiosElement has a solution. apt-get purge java <deejoe> BiosElement: they're what? <deejoe> got link? <BiosElement> deejoe, A few pages ago, lemme grab it ^_^ <BiosElement> deejoe, http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/11/apache-foundation-to-vote-down-java-7-protesting-oracle-abuses.ars <deejoe> BiosElement: ah, thanks <BiosElement> deejoe, The long/short of it is sun/oracle release some of the code FOSS but the 'java test suite' to verify it's a legit java setup and such is 'not' open source. Meaning Apache's java thingy isn't actually java per oracle/sun <deejoe> got it <BiosElement> Kinda a joke really. >.> <deejoe> I think it's safe to say that detractors of Apache's position are invested in Java first, and have concerns about software freedom only second, rodriguezcrystal@example.org. <deejoe> not that hard to imagine, given the prevalence of java in CS education of late <BiosElement> deejoe, Heck, some of the comments are "I DUN CARE!" flat out :P <deejoe> heh <deejoe> well, guess what, Apache et al dun care rodriguezcrystal@example.org. <deejoe> ("you" meaning "them" of course :-) <BiosElement> Hey, the way I see it, Oracle/Sun wanna play games and destroy their own JCP thingy, Apache's just playing the same game in return #ubuntu-us-oh 2010-11-11 <BiosElement> BTW Cheri703 thanks for the hand the other day. Came in handy for the meeting. ^_^ <Cheri703> those case studies? <BiosElement> Cheri703, Aye, that and the LoCo numbers <Cheri703> awesome! glad I could help :) <BiosElement> ^_^ <BiosElement> Hmm, we really need more LoCo specific projects. <Cheri703> agreed <Cheri703> so I found out that the first mansfield ubuntu hour will likely be me and my husband only -_- <Cheri703> but we'll see <Cheri703> :/ <BiosElement> Cheri703, It can take some time to get momentum. I've found wearing my Ubuntu hat when going out actually gets a few conversations a trip heh <Cheri703> heh * Cheri703 can't easily wear a baseball cap during daily life <Cheri703> I have been vaguely pondering an ubuntu pin or something <BiosElement> lol, I'm luckily young enough to pull it off without being an idiot >.> <Cheri703> I do keep my keys on that lanyard I got at olf <Cheri703> heh <canthus13> Cheri703: I use an ubuntu lanyard for my rodriguezcrystal@example.org. :) <Cheri703> :) <canthus13> Also, stickers all over my laptop help to encourage questions. <BiosElement> hehe <Cheri703> I might try to go chat up someone in the cs dept at the local college...get the word out that way * Cheri703 is weird about stickers on things, keeps things as bare as possible * canthus13 does too, but people tend to frown on being bare in public. <canthus13> Besides, it's getting cold now. <canthus13> Argh. My kid is singing the Imperial Theme. <Cheri703> heh <canthus13> And he's not just singing it. he's singing ALONG with it. He's listening to the whole albun. <BiosElement> Have fun <Cheri703> ha <Cheri703> so...how's things? <BiosElement> Cheri703, Dull <Cheri703> same here... <BiosElement> Althugh I've had 3 fish fillets tonight. >.> * Cheri703 is super board <Cheri703> *bored <Cheri703> -_- <Cheri703> I had a gyro and some ice cream <BiosElement> heh I had two since dad didn't eat his, then I had another cause I was hungry <Cheri703> that works <BiosElement> And I could probably finish off a forth but then I'd feel a total pig >.> <Cheri703> heh <BiosElement> Speaking of which, gotta get an ice cream bar :P <Cheri703> heh <Cheri703> I need to clean out the ice cream maker and make my next attempt <BiosElement> haha good plan <Cheri703> I sometimes have a protein shake for breakfast (milk, protein powder, mint extract), and I'm going to see how it turns out as ice cream... <BiosElement> 'Consumers Call for Boycott of Amazon Over 'Pedophile's Guide'' <BiosElement> ^Wow... <Cheri703> yeah, I saw that... <BiosElement> I dunno whos stupider <Cheri703> meant to post this earlier: http://wins.failblog.org/2010/11/10/epic-win-photos-it-company-win/ <BiosElement> Oh wow. I love people are crying about Call of Duty Black Ops bugs...If you spend several million dollars on a game, I'd really expect you to hire at least a few dozen play testers... <Cheri703> woo! someone who has never heard of the loco is coming to ubuntu hour! <Cheri703> friend of mine's client, friend was there, saw ubuntu things, told him about me and the ubuntu hour, we talked, he's coming! <Cheri703> paultag: around? <paultag> Cheri703, yoyoyo <Cheri703> hey, so do I just declare myself reloco lead? or? <Cheri703> since at the moment we don't technically HAVE a reloco, but first ubuntu hour is tonight <paultag> Cheri703, well you don't declare it like you declare bankruptcy, just yell it at me and I'll note it :) <paultag> Cheri703, you can declare it proudly, own it :) <Cheri703> ok, so I guess I'm mansfield reloco lead <paultag> yes ma'am <paultag> Cheri703, changes noted, I'll add you to the system <paultag> Cheri703, what's your LP? <Cheri703> I don't know what you just did...or what's different about it... <Cheri703> cheri703 <paultag> rocken <Cheri703> do you need the actual link? <paultag> all set Cheri703 <Cheri703> what's different about having "voice" <paultag> nope <Cheri703> ? <paultag> Cheri703, it's just a way of identifying who's a part of the administrative team. It's an old flag that's only useful if we set the room to +m ( only those with voice may speak ), but it's most always -m ( anyone can speak ) in here <Cheri703> ah, gotcha <paultag> Cheri703, I added you to the LP group as well <Cheri703> ok, I don't know what that means either, but cool :) <paultag> Cheri703, it means you have as much rights over ~ubuntu-us-ohio as I do <Cheri703> ah, ok <paultag> Cheri703, you're part of the buckeyes ( via reloco-leads ) * Cheri703 will rule with an iron fist <Cheri703> ok <paultag> hehe <Cheri703> cool <paultag> rocken. <paultag> thanks Cheri703 :) <Cheri703> sure sure :) I'm excited about this guy who is coming tonight, he's like 50, but he has never heard of the loco, he uses ubuntu <Cheri703> so it'll be interesting <paultag> sweet <Cheri703> we'll probably log on here so I can show him around :) <paultag> cool :) <Cheri703> whining about open office: when I'm working on a spreadsheet, and I press the DELETE button, I want it to DELETE things, not give me an equivalent of a "clear" menu *angry face* <BiosElement> Ugh I really hate running projects anymore. >.> Seems if it's not ubuntu related I'm the defacto enemy, no matter what it is. <Cheri703> :( <BiosElement> Heck, it's even my fault if someone ELSE brings something up. I 'must have' sown the seeds of dissent...in my own project, <,< sure <Cheri703> that's....ridiculous <Cheri703> is spwelton the columbus lead or gilbert? <BiosElement> I think it might be gil, but I'm not really sure. COlumbus reloco is kinda vaporware. <Cheri703> ok, I was perusing the website (not launchpad) and it shows spwelton <BiosElement> launchpad is the accurate one <Cheri703> k <Cheri703> I don't know where to find reloco stuff on launchpad... <greyfox-> unless there has been some recent change, the columbus lead should be gilbert. <Cheri703> ok, the website is out of date then <greyfox-> link please? I don't remember where that stuff is on LP either <Cheri703> http://ohio.ubuntu-us.org/reloco <Cheri703> and you could add mansfield while you're at it :) <greyfox-> Hmm, I'm not sure I can do that <Cheri703> ah, ok <Cheri703> wasn't sure :) <greyfox-> No prob. <Cheri703> can I steal logos off of our site? <Cheri703> to use for ubuntu hour related things? <greyfox-> I'm a little confused about the various websites too. There seems to be kind of a decentralized group of things like ohio.ubuntu-us, LP, the wiki, etc. I'm not quite clear on the "official" relationship among them <Cheri703> yeah, I have no idea, maybe the "council" can work that out <Cheri703> the lp is very sparse, as is the wiki <Cheri703> but the .org is out of date <greyfox-> I see <Cheri703> so I dunno <greyfox-> Sounds like these should be addressed by the council to me, too <greyfox-> As far as images, I suppose you can take them. I'm not sure, but I don't see why not. I think there are some approved ones on the wiki...somewhere. <Cheri703> kk <Cheri703> I like this one: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/8928303/Ohio-LoCo-Scarlet-n-Silver-192x192.png?ws.accept=application/json <greyfox-> Aha, here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/ArtWork <Cheri703> awesome, thanks :) <greyfox-> Sure <greyfox-> Oh wait... Come to think of it, the wiki and LP page are linked from ohio.ubuntu-us.org <greyfox-> So I guess that should be viewed as our "main" site <Cheri703> ok <Cheri703> then it should be up to date, no? <greyfox-> Definitely <greyfox-> I don't know what the process for that is. Should anybody just go edit things? Have a lead do it? I have no idea. <greyfox-> I can't log in to that site using my LP account for some reason <Cheri703> I couldn't either <Cheri703> wanted me to make a new account or something <greyfox-> I have only been visiting ohio.ubuntu-us because somebody linked me to the event calendar once, but I never really poked around that site. I'm doing that now and it is becoming more apparent that this is really a good place to keep up on what the loco is all about. <greyfox-> I have been using IRC and the mailing list to keep up on things, but there were still things being talked about there that I didn't understand--things I'd never heard of, like the burning circle podcast <greyfox-> the podcast is linked on that site too <greyfox-> I guess it really is the main site for all things ohio loco <greyfox-> I'll have to keep this in mind <greyfox-> I always thought the main site was LP <Cheri703> I still wonder what happened to burning circle 4...it went from 3 to 5 <Cheri703> I haven't listened to them yet though <Cheri703> might do that this afternoon <greyfox-> Heh, didn't notice that. <Cheri703> ha, awesome: http://pthree.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ubuntu-debit-card.png <gilbert> greetz :) <Unit193> Hey gilbert <Cheri703> hi <gilbert> what up peeps? <Cheri703> nm, mansfield ubuntu hour tonight though :) <gilbert> Cheri703: cool! let us know how it goes <Cheri703> will do <dmcglone> Hi everybody <Cheri703> hey dmcglone <dmcglone> whats happenin today? <Cheri703> ubuntu hour in 45 min <dmcglone> in mansfield? <Cheri703> yep yep <dmcglone> cool, so it finally worked out huh? <Cheri703> yeah, some people who might have come aren't able to, but by random chance a guy who uses ubuntu but didn't even know there was a loco will be there <dmcglone> if we were having one here, I'd definitely be able to make it because of the holliday <dmcglone> banks were closed today so day off!! :-) <Cheri703> heh * Cheri703 just ate way too many tootsie rolls at once -_- <dmcglone> now you'll be talking less at the meeting cuz your jaws will be too tired ;-) <Cheri703> do you know anything about packet sniffing and running hardware trace things? * Cheri703 might need to do that tomorrow <dmcglone> not much :-( <dmcglone> the only packets I sniff are my packets of skittles ;-) <dmcglone> I've got so much time on my hands today, I don't know what to do first! <Cheri703> brb <canthus13> Cheri703: What are you needing to sniff packets for? <dmcglone> I'm back. had to eat dinner #ubuntu-us-oh 2010-11-12 <Unit193> EXT3 or 4? <Unit193> (Installing Kubuntu) <dmcglone> I always heard EXT4 still had problems <dmcglone> but it supposed to have better journaling capabalities <Unit193> The help part of the website is no use to me.... :( (in the "Disk Setup" I have no section for side by side) <canthus13> Unit193: Depends. I've never had issues with either. <canthus13> I've only installed ext4 on one machine, though. <canthus13> 4 is supposed to be faster, but I don't really see it. <Unit193> 3 it is then... <Unit193> The disk setup used to be better for people dual booting... <dmcglone> I'll be back I'm going to move my router and modem <dmcglone> I'm back :-) <Unit193> Welcome back! <dmcglone> I was running wireless, but had to move my computer so I figured I might as well just stick the modem back over by my desk and plug it up <Cheri703> mansfield ubuntu hour = success! (I thought) <Unit193> Sweet!! <Unit193> How was it? <dmcglone> I'm missing my volume control on my pannel <canthus13> Cheri703: Dunno if you caught my question before... What are you needing a packet sniffer for? <Cheri703> Unit193: it was good! I taught bill (the guy who came), who has been programming for 44 years, about ssh -X :) <Cheri703> canthus13: I need to track a file once it gets created and sent over the network...it's getting lost somehow <canthus13> Hrm. That's odd. I'd traceroute first, see where the problems lie. <canthus13> A sniffer on the receiving machine *might* be helpful.... <Cheri703> ok, I dunno, the service tech suggested package sniffer... * Cheri703 is a sponge, explain traceroute :) <dmcglone> is it possible to remove evolution from the indicator applet? <canthus13> Cheri703: It pings every machine between you and the destination. tracert <address> from the command line. <Cheri703> hmm...ok <canthus13> bah. there's another utility that will continuously run tracert and track packet loss. can't remember what it is... <Cheri703> hmm...ok <canthus13> mtr is what I was thinking of. <Cheri703> ok <canthus13> It helps pinpoint failing machines. <Cheri703> ok, I'll look for any tutorials <dmcglone> well I thought I solved that problem. NOT <Cheri703> thanks canthus13 <dmcglone> Ah sudo apt-get remove indicator-messages removes that pesky icon <canthus13> Cheri703: no prob. <dmcglone> sheesh :-) <Cheri703> I concur <dmcglone> I don't know why I fiddle with this stuff.. LOL <dmcglone> I'm thinking of upgrading to 10.10 <canthus13> dmcglone: you masochist. <Unit193> You all use Gnome right? <dmcglone> I do Unit193 <dmcglone> but most of my applications I use are KDE apps <dmcglone> lol <dmcglone> I use Kontact, kdevelop, kate to name a few <dmcglone> I'm board so I'm upgrading to 10.10 * canthus13 does. <canthus13> mostly. <dmcglone> what is mostly? <Unit193> the way ubuntu has it setup I don't like it much (but somehow mint did) so I just use kubuntu ;) <dmcglone> I like kubuntu, but I can't stand the kicker bar. it's a pain in the butt adding them stupid spacers to space things <Cheri703> canthus13: I have some more questions about this traceroute and mtr thing <dmcglone> I also can't stand the new kicker menu, and the old one just haphazzardly throws everything in there wherever it can find a free spot <Unit193> The new menu style is not so good :( <Cheri703> Unit193: We are having the next ubuntu hour NEXT thursday 11/18, and after that we are going to go to every other week (otherwise we would have hit thanksgiving and christmas eve eve) <dmcglone> so I just use gnome desktop with kde apps :-) best of both worlds <Cheri703> who was it that was able to edit the calendar? <canthus13> Cheri703: I'll be back on in a bit... heading home. <Cheri703> kk <Unit193> Cheri703: I'm busy that night from 5:30-8:15 :'( <Cheri703> :( <Cheri703> well, it'll happen again 2 weeks later... <Unit193> Wow, Ubuntu is definitely looking way better then it did in 6.10! (less brown!) <dmcglone> oh yeah <dmcglone> works better too <BiosElement> lol <Unit193> Last time I used it was 6.10 way too brown... but much faster... <Cheri703> canthus13: I know you said you're out, but let me know when you're back, I have a pm ready for you :) <BiosElement> Could someone explain to me why in "google v facebook", google is somehow evil? I think people need to understand the internet is meant to SHARE information...as in you put it somewhere it's gonna be everywhere...That doesn't make google 'evil'. >.> <Cheri703> because google is doing a "you won't let me have yours, so you can't have mine!" <Cheri703> so they think that's wrong <dmcglone>
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