#ubuntu-marketing 2007-03-01 <poningru> ok so working on herd5 on gobby <poningru_> need someone to take some caps of the recently built live-cds <poningru_> if anyone is alive <poningru_> elkbuntu <elkbuntu> poningru_, you'd be waiting... at least 4 hours if you're wanting me. i can only get stuff at 160kbs <poningru_> well the thing is... the web team really wants tiny screenshots <elkbuntu> i cant help for a few hours due to download, no amount of debating is going to change this <poningru_> I need caps of the new artwork, nm-vpn plugins, menu for desktop-prettiness, and a crash report <poningru_> elkbuntu: oh... you mean to download latest cd <elkbuntu> by when? <poningru_> right gotcha <elkbuntu> yeah <elkbuntu> i've only got australian internet :( <poningru_> elkbuntu: whenever they wanna release herd 5 <poningru_> aka asap <elkbuntu> fuckers * elkbuntu larts her own language <poningru_> lol <elkbuntu> im yet to figure why this isnt dumped onto the art team as well : <elkbuntu> hmm... i have feisty herd3 iirc on the laptop, maybe dist upgrading will be faster <poningru_> ooh yeah that would be awesome <poningru_> thanks soo much <poningru_> my stupid laptop refuses all advances by feisty on it * elkbuntu larts the mandatory fsck <poningru_> hehe <elkbuntu> 310 updates :-/ <poningru_> ouch <elkbuntu> not unexpected but it's not going to be quick <elkbuntu> ugh.. local mirror currently in synch process... <elkbuntu> poningru, argh, all i've managed to get done is the two screenshots in http://geekosophical.net/random <beuno> hello everyone <beuno> we need to get the UWN out again <beuno> who can help me out? <adamant1988> beuno: I can try, I suppose. Have I been removed from the marketing team yet? <Burgwork> beuno: hey beuno <Burgwork> yes, we need a UWN, however, I have no time <beuno> Burgwork: hey! <Burgwork> mgalvin has promised to step up again <beuno> oh, have you seen the emails that went back in forth the last hour or so? <beuno> adamant1988: why would you be removed? <adamant1988> Haven't been here for a few months <beuno> adamant1988: that doesn't make your help less usefull ;D <adamant1988> It does mean that I would be subject to being pruned from the project :) <adamant1988> How much do you have done with this? <beuno> adamant1988: have you helped with UWN before? <beuno> this is what we got up to now: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue30 <adamant1988> I tried to help with it's design, but I pretty much got ignored. <adamant1988> What format is this shipped in now? <beuno> adamant1988: plain text <beuno> but that's not what we need help right now <beuno> we need to get it released <beuno> so we need help writing it <adamant1988> I'm OK with writing. <adamant1988> Not great, but I try to use grammar wherever possible. :P <beuno> adamant1988: I'm sure we can get help with grammar corrections once we have most of it done <adamant1988> Haha, well, What needs to be written at this point? <marianom> greetings everyone <beuno> adamant1988: give me a few min to get myself organized <beuno> hey marianom <adamant1988> Sure. <beuno> marianom is here to help us with UWN too ;) <beuno> adamant1988, marianom, this is a good place to start reading: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies <marianom> ok, i'm on it. installing gobby <beuno> marianom: can you start updating the "Meetings and Events" section? <beuno> edit directly on the wiki for now <beuno> we get the data from: http://fridge.ubuntu.com <marianom> yeah, sure <beuno> I think we should do a quick UWN with news up until Feb 24th <beuno> and release UWN #31 Feb 25th to Mar 4th <beuno> althouh the meetings don't make sense if they've already passed... <beuno> so basically add from today and a week ahead <Burgwork> that sounds good <marianom> ok, let me see if I got it: on #30 just meetings from today till a week from now. is it right? <Burgwork> beuno: when you have a UWN, feel free to ask me to quickly look over it and send it <beuno> Burgwork: I absolutely will, thanks <beuno> marianom: correct! <beuno> adamant1988: do you think you can look for articles in the press about Ubuntu? <beuno> I usually use Google News and search for "ubuntu" <beuno> articles published from Jan 28th to Feb 24th <beuno> tsmithe: I can feel you want to help out to but you're just a bit shy * tsmithe isn't here - promise; busy packaging :P (finds excuse frantically) <beuno> tsmithe: I've read in an... uhm... article... that suming up news improves your packaging skills <beuno> not sure how, but I'm positive that was the conclusion <tsmithe> where can i find this... uhm... article? <beuno> don't remember, but I'll be sure to look for it this weekend <beuno> meanwhile you can find it out for yourself <adamant1988> beuno: what kind of articles? I'm subscribed to about 10 feeds that deal with Ubuntu <beuno> adamant1988: articles that talk about Ubuntu <beuno> (positively) <adamant1988> OK, now are community written articles acceptable, or are we looking for press releases? <beuno> adamant1988: press releases mostly <adamant1988> Eh, I don't get many of those, but ok <beuno> adamant1988: I know ;) <beuno> google news is your friend <adamant1988> Eh, I suppose, but I'd rather get interesting news. <beuno> adamant1988: well, see what you can cook up and we'll go from there <adamant1988> beuno, how long has it been since the UWN has been released? <beuno> adamant1988: the last one was release over a month ago <adamant1988> So much for being weekly, eh? Perhaps the designs should be re-thought? <beuno> adamant1988: it used to be "almost weekly" <beuno> but the main editors have been on leave <beuno> so nobody was there to push it forward <adamant1988> I see, but you don't think the news could be delivered to the Ubuntu community in a more... interesting fashion? Since obviously the newsletter has stagnated for a month it seems like that would be a good time to introduce change. <beuno> adamant1988: what do you have in mind? <adamant1988> beuno: looking at current trends, I think presenting the news in a manner that allows for discussion would produce a much more exciting new medium for the community. A newsletter is flat, you can't talk to it, you can't enter your opinion. <adamant1988> Obviously Ubuntu is about the community, so that should be encouraged. <beuno> adamant1988: would a link to discuss it in the forums satisfy that, or does it have to be *more* interactive? <adamant1988> Well, what I think is that a link in the forums would suffice, but we could do better. <marianom> beuno: future meeting all loaded. please, take a look and let me know if its ok <adamant1988> Perhaps a blog we could all edit and add the "news" to. <adamant1988> Granted, this would lose it's weekly format, as the news would just be "Whenever it happens" someone would talk about it. <beuno> adamant1988: I think a blog would go against the purpose of the UWN <beuno> where editors come in place <adamant1988> Which is? <marianom> um beuno I see a little identation detail that I must fix. give me a minute <beuno> although it would be interesting to discuss your idea <beuno> marianom: sure, n <beuno> np <adamant1988> beuno: I don't mean to be brazen, but I don't even subscribe to company newsletters anymore <adamant1988> In fact I haven't seen companies offering them, but they are sure willing to tell you they have a blog up. <adamant1988> You can subscribe to that with RSS and now you've got something every bit as good as a newsletter, but it feels like it's written by real people, for real people. <beuno> adamant1988: I agree, newsletters are a bit old, but this really has to be discussed with everyone who is involved in the UWN <beuno> I due find it interesting <adamant1988> That's fine, just don't tell me to put it on the mailing list. I hate that thing. <beuno> I'd encourage you to sum up your idea and send it to the marketing mailing list ;) <beuno> lol <adamant1988> Yeah, I've been told that before. I hate trying to communicate on that thing. <adamant1988> It's like a forum, but incredibly innefficient and hard to keep track of. <Burgwork> right <adamant1988> plus all the spam... all the spam.. <Burgwork> except I find a forum incredibly innefficient and hard to keep track of <Burgwork> because I have to go to the forum <Burgwork> the mailing list comes to me <beuno> I'm fine with both ;D <beuno> adamant1988: that is a valid point, mails are active, the forum is passive <adamant1988> So subscribe to the forum? <adamant1988> I get an email every time someone posts a thread on SuSELinux.net in a certain forum. <beuno> adamant1988: I'm sure both can live together in harmony <marianom> beuno, it's donde. please take a look and let me know what you think <marianom> it's done, sorry <adamant1988> beuno: not if the marketing team refuses to use one or the other :P <adamant1988> But I'll go ahead and alter my mailing list filter so it stops directing everything to the trashcan. <beuno> marianom: perfect <marianom> look! uluga meeting is there!!! niceee <beuno> marianom: want to give "Bug Stats" a try? <marianom> ok, np <beuno> gather information through here: http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats/ <beuno> you have to mannually sum up the days <beuno> from Jan 28th to Feb 24th <marianom> ok, let me grab a mug of coffe and I'm on it <beuno> marianom: :D thanks for the help <beuno> adamant1988: I guess it's all about getting along with all kinds of different people <adamant1988> beuno: I just really don't like having my mail box flooded with information that's a bit hard to digest, then figuring out who I need to reply to, etc. <beuno> adamant1988: the marketing list is pretty low traffic <beuno> and gmail helps a lot by threading <adamant1988> beuno: It wasn't when I was on it. Yeah, the threading helps a ton, but I still never know who to send my replies to, etc. <beuno> adamant1988: all replies go to the mailing list <beuno> the "reply all" button is what you would hit <adamant1988> hrmm <adamant1988> and reply all sends a copy to everyone in the thread or? <beuno> adamant1988: to the mailing list <adamant1988> ok <beuno> and specifically to the person who sent the mail, depends on how they have they're mail client configured <beuno> in practice, it works ;) <adamant1988> ok, I've set up my filter to hopefully avoid maxing out all 2.8 GB of space on my Gmail <beuno> adamant1988: I'm sure the marketing mailing list won't ;) <marianom> I can see that the best way to count this bugs is to use the raw data <marianom> i'm preparing an oracle import in order to take the data to known fields <beuno> marianom: that would be great <adamant1988> There <adamant1988> I sent your evil mailing list a letter. <beuno> adamant1988: heheh, thanks <adamant1988> I hope that the filter I set up will let me manage the info a little better than last time around with this list. <adamant1988> I was right <adamant1988> I did get pruned from the launchpad. <beuno> adamant1988: you got deactivated in the marketing team? <adamant1988> yup, I added myself though <Burgwork> there was a time when people were automatically pruned <Burgwork> that time has now ended <MitchM> ;) <tsmithe> adamant1988, thing is - about that bloggy idea <tsmithe> is that *everything* is on a blog these days <tsmithe> it's kinda "old", even the "newsletter" style is actually the elder. <tsmithe> i prefer that kind of "retro" feel <tsmithe> adamant1988, another thing is - my sis showed me an image earlier: it's not that long, when talking to an linux user, before he demands an rss feeds <tsmithe> *feed <adamant1988> tsmithe: we're aware, I don't know about you, but I like when people write the news and not robots. Everyone else I know is the same. * tsmithe finds an image <tsmithe> adamant1988, indeed <tsmithe> i wasn't aware there were any robots involved <tsmithe> except the changeomatic <adamant1988> I read the editorials first in my newspapers, because they're infinitely more interesting. <tsmithe> indeed <beuno> adamant1988: paste the URLs you find in the wiki <beuno> under "In The Press" <beuno> and if your up to it, do a little piece on what it says <adamant1988> If you make the news more interesting, and then you make it interactive to the extent that people can talk back to you about it. You've not only made the news interesting, you've made it interactive, and that's a good thing <tsmithe> ok <tsmithe> but, erm, define, "more interesting"? <tsmithe> and how does a blog acheive that when a newsletter doesn't? <beuno> adamant1988: I agree, but we still have to get the UWN out for now, we can discuss how to improve it, but still we need to get it out <adamant1988> beuno: I suggested getting rid of it on the mailing list. At this point it's a waste of resources and time that could be dedicated to the fridge. <beuno> adamant1988: I don't think it's an option right now <adamant1988> It's still an open suggestion *shrug* <Burgwork> we need to send something out via the mailing list <Burgwork> however, we can do it in more discrete chunks <tsmithe> and adamant1988; i don't want this "social solution" to end up as a new planet <adamant1988> tsmithe: I've read Ubuntu Planet, it's just a blog, they post some of the most random stuff on that <tsmithe> no <tsmithe> not like that <tsmithe> moderated, news aggregations <tsmithe> i'm particularly wary, as you have 10 ubuntu feeds already, which kinda (sorry to be blunt, and i don't want to seem rude/abrupt) suggests you're a blog "fan". <Burgwork> no, planet is an aggregator <beuno> Burgwork: I'll make sure UWN 30 is ready enough today, so tomorrow we can start working on UWN 31 and get up to date <Burgwork> ok, that works <adamant1988> tsmithe: I have a lot of RSS feeds. They deliver the news to me instead of making me go find it. <marianom> beuno: there's no bug data between 21/02 and 27/02 <beuno> wierd, and after that there is? <tsmithe> indeed - that's probably good, but i'm one (of that perhaps small minority) that doesn't like feeds <Burgwork> if we are breaking up the UWN into discrete chunks and it goes on the web, the fridge is teh way to go <marianom> you asked me to compare 28/01 with 24/02 <marianom> what you choose: 20/02 or 28/02 as limit date to compare? <tsmithe> adamant1988, i'd like feeds if it was easier for me to access them, and to integrate them with my desktop <beuno> Burgwork: we should really wait for jenda to get back, and have a meeting to discuss it <Burgwork> yep <Burgwork> and cody <Burgwork> who I hear is in hospital <MenZa> hmm <MenZa> Where is jenda+ <MenZa> Jenda* <adamant1988> tsmithe: try BlogBridge it's what I'm using right now. It's it's own desktop application <tsmithe> MenZa, month in india <beuno> jenda is in india until March 19th <MenZa> :O <marianom> beuno: ? <marianom> sorry for the hurry but I'm in a good moment <beuno> actually, jenda is in Sri Lanka <beuno> india didn't work out <tsmithe> oh really? <tsmithe> how come? <beuno> tsmithe: not very safe in india <tsmithe> really? unlucky... <tsmithe> and it's more in sri lanka? <beuno> tsmithe: it seems like it, yes <tsmithe> well... sad to hear it <beuno> he has to go to bangladesh to return, so he'll have to cross over again <tsmithe> i thought he was meeting friends... <beuno> tsmithe: I think they all went to sri lanka, not sure <tsmithe> cool * tsmithe has never been that far east <beuno> I've been to turkey, that's about it <tsmithe> meh - hungary is as far as i've been <tsmithe> going west though! \o/ <beuno> ;) how's the fundraiser? <tsmithe> well - i got a job! <beuno> that's great news <beuno> so you're going <tsmithe> of course! <tsmithe> did you ever think i wouldn't? <beuno> congrats <tsmithe> :) <beuno> well, the fundraiser wasn't exactly exploding <tsmithe> haha no <tsmithe> i'm very envious of jono <beuno> he has fundraising powers? <tsmithe> well, he made 776 in two days :'( <tsmithe> and it's up to 891 now <beuno> heh, not bad <tsmithe> that's about 6 times as much as i have raised <marianom> beuno: check the bug stats. I added a little comment to reflect we're counting monthly in this edition due to the delay and the missing stats <beuno> marianom: on the wiki? <marianom> beuno: on the wiki <beuno> marianom: from which date to which date? <marianom> beuno: I compared 28/01 against 28/02 <marianom> too much? <beuno> marianom: no, that's great ;) <marianom> I took the first date you gave me and last one I could find in february <beuno> thanks <marianom> I added a little note, hope next weekly it can be again on weekly basis <marianom> I can take an additional task for tomorrow, do you have another one? <beuno> marianom: I'll get back to you by email or gtalk later <beuno> need to finish some *work* before the meeting in an hour <marianom> ok <marianom> go ahead <marianom> see you in an hour #ubuntu-marketing 2007-03-02 <beuno> tonyyarusso: hey there <tonyyarusso> beuno: hi <beuno> how are you doing? <tonyyarusso> okay, mostly <beuno> I need help getting the UWN 30 out <beuno> tonight! <beuno> tonyyarusso: did you get my msg? <tonyyarusso> beuno: I got "I need help..." anything after? <tonyyarusso> I can do some, but not a lot :( <beuno> anything at all is welcome <tonyyarusso> righto. <tonyyarusso> I'll see if I can drop by for something - If my beats aren't done by someone else I'll start there, otherwise I'll grab something bitesize - spellcheck at least <beuno> tonyyarusso: that would be great, thanks! <Mez> whoo :D <Mez> hehe :D <Mez> Guess what guys? <Mez> I managed to get Personal Computer world interested in doing regular "whats new in ubuntu" slots <crimsun> excellent! <Admiral_Chicago> nice <Mez> was at a press conference, was talking to a guy there who writes for them, we got into the stuff that I do and he was really interested in the linux stuff :D <Mez> and gave me his business card <Mez> I soooo f**king need ubuntu business cards <Mez> anyone know where I can get some? <Admiral_Chicago> Mez: there is a link to create your own <Admiral_Chicago> let me see if I can pull it up <Mez> As a Member you will get an email address @ubuntu.com and the right to carry Ubuntu business cards too, if you want them! (We'll supply the artwork, you print your own cards.) <Admiral_Chicago> yup, there is a wiki page somewhere with the actual card, trying to pull that up <Mez> found it <Mez> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BusinessCards <Admiral_Chicago> ty <beuno> Mez: congrats! <Mez> beuno, :D <Mez> It's kinda weird <Mez> I went there for a conference for a new game company launch :D <beuno> heh, well, it sure was productive <Mez> indeed <Mez> and I have shiny copies of games <Mez> now to see if they work with cedega :D <Mez> and to email the developers and bitch at them to port to linux (it's based on ogre anyways!) * rjian wow FOSS Fiesta this Month in Manila, Philippines :D <beuno> hahaha, sounds like fun <rjian> together with the UBuntu-ph team <beuno> rjian: I hope to see pictures <rjian> beuno: hehe u can come.. hehe its free and open.. hehe <beuno> rjian: yes, but philippines isn't too close to me * rjian "Conference on FOSS and E-Governance, FOSS Fiesta and Parallel Workshops on Joomla and Ubuntu, Manila, March 7-8, 2007" <rjian> beuno: hehe i forgot u place... Australia? <rjian> i mean ur place.. <beuno> Argentina <rjian> spanish? <beuno> si seor <rjian> bueno tamen.. hehe <rjian> beuno: ketal? <beuno> ;D bien, usted? <rjian> beuno: hehe same.. our dialect here in Mindanao is a broken spanish <rjian> hehe <rjian> beuno: like kosa 2 ta ase? hehe <beuno> 8| <beuno> you lost me :) <rjian> hehe <rjian> bueno: kosa tiene na argentina? <rjian> :D <beuno> I live here (not sure what the question is) <rjian> hahah yup... <mrevell> hey! Is it too late to add something to today's UWN? <elkbuntu> mrevell, afaik no <mrevell> elkbuntu: woohoo :) <elkbuntu> it's not as though we've been releasing on schedule lately anyway :( <mrevell> elkbuntu: you well? Long time no speak etc * elkbuntu hugs mrevell * MenZa waves to elkbuntu <mrevell> ah, thanks :) <elkbuntu> yeah it is. mean launchpad stole you from us :( <mrevell> haha :) * elkbuntu hugs MenZa as well <MenZa> elkbuntu: Your website's browser and OS detet system is evil * MenZa huggles elkbuntu :D <elkbuntu> MenZa, you're stupid enough to use inferior product whilst using my blog, you deserve the same! <elkbuntu> s/same/shame/ <MenZa> :( <elkbuntu> mrevell, did you see my linux.com article? did you did you did you? <mrevell> elkbuntu: I saw it, yeah, and have it flagged to read. Nice work :) <MenZa> I like how it even has elinks icons though <elkbuntu> MenZa, i added the gnewsense icon because kamping_kaiser wouldnt stop pouting <MenZa> :D <elkbuntu> mrevell, thankies :) <MenZa> that reminds me I haven't looked at my feed reader lately <MenZa> *twitches* <mrevell> I'm going to edit the Launchpad section <elkbuntu> mrevell, mind you half the work was getting stuff from ogra <mrevell> that okay? <mrevell> of UWN I mean <elkbuntu> mrevell, i guess so. usually it's it's for Christian to edit, but i suppose if you have the facts and permission from somewhere you can <mrevell> Christian? <mrevell> Wow, I am out of touch <elkbuntu> reis? <mrevell> Oh right <mrevell> :) <elkbuntu> you naughty <mrevell> Yeah, it's my job to do that now <elkbuntu> ok cool <mrevell> I think of him as Kiko <elkbuntu> go for it then * mrevell engages edit mode <elkbuntu> mrevell, that's great. i didnt know his nick ;) <mrevell> I've re-added this channel to my autoconnect list :) <elkbuntu> woohoo! * elkbuntu does the 'we got matt back, finally' dance <mrevell> hahah :) <dotwaffle> mrevell: seems like a long tiem since the creation of the MRP, that was the last time I saw you in here... <mrevell> MRP? <mrevell> dotwaffle: I think I was probably last here around November time, on a regular basis <dotwaffle> Media Relations Project. I invented the name, I can invent acronyms too ;) <mrevell> oh right <mrevell> Hey - are all you guys in the LP beta? <MenZa> no <MenZa> I don't get to test little people <dotwaffle> I'm not, but I don't have the time atm. <elkbuntu> mrevell, nope <mrevell> It'd be good to get you guys on board. You don't have to do anything special, just use LP like normal. <mrevell> MenZa: :) <mrevell> Just having people use it helps us measure server load etc, even if you don't report any bugs <elkbuntu> poningru, how did you go on the herd5 page? <poningru> pretty well... except for the screenshots <poningru> cause I dont have access to the live cds <MenZa> mrevell: :o <adamant1988> hello all <elkbuntu> poningru, i did shots of the desktop for you, but i didnt know what else you wanted <elkbuntu> <elkbuntu> poningru, argh, all i've managed to get done is the two screenshots in http://geekosophical.net/random <elkbuntu> which is really just 1 screenshot :-/ <poningru> yeah <poningru> elkbuntu: used that <poningru> but need more screenies <elkbuntu> poningru, of? <poningru> hold on <poningru> the network manager, with a vpn plugin installed and a connecting to a vpn <poningru> the menu turning on of desktop effects <poningru> and apport .6 <elkbuntu> oh. you might have to ask someone else, since i havent a vpn to connect to <poningru> I'll probably try to do that with edgy <poningru> ps yeah right <poningru> er not <poningru> that's a 2x negative #ubuntu-marketing 2007-03-03 <Funcod> is there anyone in charge of the website here? <Funcod> theres a problem in the rendering of the website in ie 6 <beuno> Funcod: which website? <Funcod> ubuntu.com <Funcod> theres a gap <Funcod> and if if u scoll down a lot <Funcod> u get to see the content <Funcod> +r <Funcod> u should fix it <Funcod> ur losing a lot of potential futur users <Funcod> i though that the website wasnt finished <beuno> Funcod: you are right, I'll file a bug to get that fixed <beuno> thanks for the tip <beuno> Funcod: you're on windows? <Funcod> yes <Funcod> BEUNO <Funcod> good ull fix that <Funcod> =] <Funcod> np <beuno> Funcod: windows 2k? <Funcod> yes <Funcod> ie 6 last <beuno> great, just so I can report it properly <beuno> it works fine on ie7 <beuno> Funcod: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/89518 <beuno> you can follow the bug information on that page <beuno> if you have an account in launchpad (if not, you can sign up), you can get notifications when it gets fixed. <Funcod> k <Funcod> just a side question <Funcod> a noob i know needs a secure os <Funcod> y should i use ubuntu over pc-bsd? #ubuntu-marketing 2007-03-04 <xipietotec> Yesterday I had someone recognize my ubuntu sticker, we had a group in house Computer Using Educators (E.g., k-12 computer geeks), and she took a picture of my laptop to use in her blog <xipietotec> evidently they're also using edubuntu at her school <xipietotec> I didn't get her school, (this is for educators across the country) but evidently they had someone give a rather large presentation on open source (and edubuntu) at the convention <xipietotec> someone might want to see if canonical / the edubuntu team, would be welcome at next year's convention <Madpilot> xipietotec, which area of the world you in? <xipietotec> reposted from a quick convo I had with elk-buntu, for the benefit of the marketing team <xipietotec> Madpilot: California, Palm Springs. Though the CUE conference may not necessarily be here again next year <Madpilot> cool <xipietotec> http://www.cue.org <xipietotec> they're california based <xipietotec> http://www.cue.org/stories/storyReader$195 quick look from their site regarding open source. <BHSPitLappy> that's really cool #ubuntu-marketing 2007-03-05 * Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-marketing.log <tuxcrafter> hello, guys I am looking for those stickers you can put on your computer with ubuntu markething <tuxcrafter> those little things like MS designed for *** crap :-D <elkbuntu> tuxcrafter, system76.com > /etc > Free Stuff :) <KenSentMe> tuxcrafter, i have some <tuxcrafter> links? <KenSentMe> tuxcrafter, you're dutch right <tuxcrafter> yes <KenSentMe> tuxcrafter, come to the ubuntu-nl channel <tuxcrafter> oke * Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-marketing.log #ubuntu-marketing 2007-03-06 <elkbuntu> omfg... ubuntu muslim edition finally happened? <tonyyarusso> oh really? <Madpilot> link? <elkbuntu> ubuntume.com <crimsun> neat <crimsun> that it includes multiverse software by default is a bit of a headache (!), but neat otherwise <elkbuntu> i am very much *not* looking forward to this hitting Sounder :-/ <tonyyarusso> heh, might be interesting <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, sure. not necessarily in a CoC kind of way, however <Madpilot> interesting in the sense of the famous Chinese curse, perhaps :) <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: Do MLs get moderated ever? <Madpilot> I predict a few of sounder's better-known quasi-trolls will be very excited about this <tonyyarusso> how did you hear, btw? <tonyyarusso> @elkbuntu <crimsun> tonyyarusso: most are, actually. We just don't proclaim our presence loudly ;) <tonyyarusso> crimsun: If figured most would be, but wasn't sure if the really big ones could be <elkbuntu> roflmao @ the new eler <beuno> elkbuntu: ping <elkbuntu> beuno, pong <beuno> hey there, it's the first time I can actually get a hold of you :D <beuno> just wanted to see if you could help me a bit get this UWN situation back on track <beuno> I'm not 100% sure what to do, or how much I should do <beuno> I've been helping out with it for months, just it suddenly seems I'm the only one pushing forward, and I'm not used to being "editor" <elkbuntu> im not really in a time situation to do so at the moment either. best thing would be to try contact corey aka burgundavia <beuno> yes, he basically said "go, have fun, run it by me before publishing" <beuno> no biggie though, I'll keep working on it and bugging people I can get a hold of <beuno> thanks <elkbuntu> gah. i really dont have the spare time at the moment to tutor you in something i've never done myself :-/ <beuno> np, I'll figure it out <beuno> I think it's more of a "I'm not sure how many decisions I should take" then actuallt knowing "what to do" * beuno spots a somerville32_ in the distance <beuno> lionel: :D <lionel> hi beuno :) <lionel> I noticed you were there just after adding you in my jabber contacts :) <beuno> I can multitask sometimes, hehehe <beuno> I just replied to your email <lionel> cool <beuno> but basically I'm waiting for Corey to wake up (literally I think) <beuno> and I'm sure mrevell can help me put some presure on the whole thing ;) <lionel> Oh cool <mrevell> hmph? <mrevell> beuno: How can I help? <beuno> I got UWN #30 up to a stage I think it can be published, and I want to get that out ASAP so we can start working on "current" news <beuno> aka #31 <beuno> but I need someone with more "authority" then myself to take a peak, and then move the strings necesary to get it out in the wild :) <mrevell> beuno: right, well, I have no authority but I'll happily take a look :) <beuno> mrevell: great, I appreciate it <beuno> I'll nag Corey all day then <lionel> beuno: sorry, I was disconnected <beuno> lionel: np, maybe you can help proof-reading UWN #30 too <lionel> beuno: I will read it again later today <lionel> what do we need for #31 ? <lionel> we are missing articles I think :) <beuno> lionel: I haven't started making a "todo" list, but an easy thing to start with would be "In The Press" <beuno> basically search for articles about Ubuntu on different sources, and write up a small summary <beuno> but, from March 1st til today <beuno> google news usually behaves pretty well <lionel> hehe :) <beuno> I don't want to open the UWN 31 wiki yet thou, might create confusion <lionel> I agree <mindspin> http://www.heise.de/open/artikel/85411 <mindspin> its german and needs translation ;-) <mindspin> basically its about canonicals business model <mindspin> and the linspire deal <beuno> mindspin: maybe a link to it, with a small summary in english wouldn't be bad <beuno> can you write it up and email it to me? <mindspin> sure <mindspin> mail addy? <beuno> :) thanks mindspin <beuno> argentina@gmail <mindspin> saved * beuno is glad to see the UWN moving again <lionel> :) <beuno> anyway, gonno head off to the office <beuno> I'll be back in an hour or so <beuno> jenda! * meatballhat gasps <jenda> beuno! <jenda> :) <beuno> how are you? <jenda> tired, cold... <jenda> great :) <beuno> are you back already? <jenda> yp <jenda> yup <jenda> cut it a bit short ;) <beuno> I imagined :D <beuno> did you have to go back throu bangladesh? <jenda> O_O <jenda> Nope <jenda> That's teh other way ;) <beuno> aah, sorry, I was under the impression you had to go back through there :/ <jenda> :) <jenda> Not at all - flew from Colombo to Mumbai, then Moscow and home. <beuno> well, I'm sorry the trip didn't work out as planned <beuno> but I'm glad to have you back :p <jenda> :) <jenda> It was a great trip all the same * beuno checks his inbox for pictures <beuno> nothing :( <jenda> I'll upload them :) <beuno> hehe, no hurries <beuno> jenda: are you ready to get your crafty hands to work? I need help getting the UWN published :D <jenda> O_O <jenda> umm <jenda> I hope no is an option :) <jenda> I didn't even wash yet ;) <beuno> I'm not picky... :p <jenda> hahaha <beuno> np, I have a meeting in 30 minutes anyway * beuno goes to his corner <MenZa> jenda: welcome back :D <jenda> thx :) #ubuntu-marketing 2007-03-07 <pedrovox> hello! <jenda> uh oh <jenda> I'm just catching up. <jenda> somerville32_: what's up with the UWN? <jenda> what's 'leave'? :) * somerville32 yawns. <beuno> jenda: ping <jenda> beuno: pong <beuno> clean? <jenda> hehe <jenda> not really... but I guess I could help out a bit. <beuno> hehe <beuno> well, I saw you inquiered about the UWN earlier <beuno> got any answers? <jenda> nope... <jenda> somerville32_? <beuno> ok, well, I can tell you this much <jenda> he appeared, yawned, and disappeared... <beuno> I got UWN #30 as finished as possible <jenda> I saw your email to u-m <jenda> cool <beuno> sent a mail to Corey for him to approve it <beuno> and now I'm waiting for it to go out to get working on 31 <jenda> neat <beuno> because 30 is so out of date that it's impossible/useless <beuno> but it would be nice to get it moving <jenda> hmm <beuno> for which I need Corey, which I haven't seen in days <beuno> and somerville32 is... well... on leave <jenda> I think you should take initiative and release it guerilla style when Corey isn't around. <jenda> it's no biggie, really. <beuno> hahah <beuno> well, I'm not sure HOW to release it :p <beuno> and maybe you can proof read it? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue30 <beuno> just so I can blame you for any mistakes :D <beuno> jenda, what did you mean by: <jenda> I think you should take initiative and release it guerilla style when Corey isn't around. <jenda> I meant, send it, Corey or no Corey, if he's missing. <beuno> jenda: I'm not familiar with that part of the process <beuno> send it to where? <beuno> fridge? ubuntu-news? <jenda> hmm <jenda> ask someone who is ;) <jenda> somerville32_? <elkbuntu> jenda, corey has to get it through the -news mailing list <jenda> beuno^ <jenda> thx, elkbuntu <elkbuntu> hence it is going to be hard to do it without corey <beuno> yes, that was what I thought <jenda> I'm sure you can find someone to smuggle it through. <beuno> I've been trying for 4 days <beuno> but no one seems to have "the authority" to <jenda> hmm * jenda has no idea, sorry :/ <tsmithe> stupid bureaucracy <beuno> @seen burgwork <beuno> :/ <tsmithe> no <tsmithe> do /msg nickserv ;) <tsmithe> @seen is borken and seenserv is cruddy <tsmithe> "Last Seen: 1 day (0h 59m 11s) ago (Burgundavia seen 3 days (22h 48m 43s) ago)" <tsmithe> beuno, ^^ <beuno> thanks <beuno> well, I'll sit on til tomorrow, then start buging christina at canonical <tsmithe> :) #ubuntu-marketing 2007-03-08 <beuno> jenda :) <beuno> I seem to be very naggy since you came back * beuno is thinking on marking UWN #30 as finished on the wiki, redirect /Current to #31 (standard release procedure) <beuno> and start up #31 <beuno> when Corey can, he'll send it out <beuno> Burgwork!!! * beuno jumps up and down * beuno jumps higher <beuno> Burgwork: whenever you have a few min, can you get back to me on the UWN email? <Burgwork> will try beuno <beuno> Burgwork: :( <beuno> sorry <beuno> that was :) <beuno> sent the email to ubuntu-news@ <beuno> redirected the wiki <beuno> just needs your authorization to go through <beuno> I'm working on #31 now <Burgwork> oh, rock <Burgwork> ok, I can do that <beuno> :D it's all I need <beuno> (I went ahead and pushed forward) <beuno> also, if you can, change the topic <Burgwork> that is good <beuno> it's the last thing on the checklist <beuno> sorry I got so annoying, I just really wanted to get that back on track <Burgwork> is far from annoyiung <Burgwork> if thise one looks good, I will give you the passowrd <beuno> :D <beuno> lionel: ping <beuno> elkbuntu: ping <beuno> meatballhat: ping <meatballhat> beuno: oi! <beuno> :D want to write a quick piece about your LoCo being approved, for UWN 31? <meatballhat> I'd love to! we be in the middle of a meeting :) ... can I get that out tomorrow morn? you trying to release UWN 31 tonight? <beuno> meatballhat: great <beuno> no, un sunday <beuno> on <beuno> so you can take your time <meatballhat> beuno: great! <beuno> email it to me or just add it on yourself: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue31 <beuno> make it more or less short (a paragraph), see how the "LoCo News" sections are in previous UWN's <meatballhat> will do :) ... <beuno> thanks a bunch! <beuno> also, I haven't forgot about diy website, I've just been coding so much at work I have really been trying to avoid it <beuno> I will either get it done this week, or find someone who will <meatballhat> beuno: right on :) ... I've been crazy at work lately, too ... it happens :D <beuno> I'm thinking on going on for Ubuntu membership <beuno> what do you think? <meatballhat> beuno: do it! you've been really involved these past several months <beuno> :D mind giving me some pointers? you've already gone through the process <beuno> I got the wiki page up: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MartinAlbisetti * meatballhat looks :) <beuno> (sponsor section on the botton *wink* *wink*) <meatballhat> I'm on it :) * beuno smiles <AaronMT> Where can I find high-resolution Ubuntu images: logo / desktop resources <beuno> AaronMT: give me sec, I'll fetch the URL <AaronMT> Thanks im a little lost on the marketting page, at the wiki <beuno> AaronMT: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing <AaronMT> Thanks <beuno> np <jenda> * beuno jumps up and down <jenda> * beuno jumps higher <jenda> Great job beuno :) <Burgundavia> yay! <Burgundavia> indeed <Burgundavia> I am going to gone all weekend, otherwise I would help <jenda> beuno: hehe... perhaps, we should include an 'errata' section in 31 :) The quiz part, for one, was just copied from last. I have no idea if there were quizzen in the meantime, though. <beuno> jenda: ping <nixternal> !seen Juliux <nixternal> wth has he been? * nixternal goes back to learning <tsmithe> nixternal, seen is broken <tsmithe> run /msg nickserv info on the nick * tsmithe dislikes seenserv anyway <Admiral_Chicago> when is the next UWN supposed to be released? <tsmithe> sooner, if you help ;) <tsmithe> (says he who does little help) <Admiral_Chicago> tsmithe: i meant date wise so I can plan accordingly. <Admiral_Chicago> well ill figure it out after class. <tsmithe> sorry :) <tsmithe> i don't know (else i'd have said) <Admiral_Chicago> thanks anyways. bbl <tsmithe> see ya <beuno_> Admiral_Chicago: on sunday! <beuno_> March 11th <beuno_> I need an OP to change the topic <beuno_> !ops <beuno_> @ops <MenZa> >_> <Admiral_Chicago> beuno_: thanks <poningru> gaah we have to fix this UWN thing <Admiral_Chicago> poningru: whats wrong with it <poningru> uh... its not being put out? <Admiral_Chicago> i mean specifically? <Admiral_Chicago> 30 is out <Admiral_Chicago> 31 is in progress <poningru> right after like 5 weeks <beuno_> poningru: I'm on it <beuno_> 31 is in progress for March 11 (sunday) <beuno_> if we do release on htat date <poningru> beuno_: wiki or gobby? <beuno_> it's practically weekly again :D <beuno_> wiki for now <beuno_> gonno keep it at the wiki unless we do specific sprints <beuno_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue31 <beuno_> any help is very much apreciated! <Seveas> beuno_, sup? <beuno_> Seveas: :D * mode/#ubuntu-marketing [+o Seveas] by ChanServ <Seveas> :) <Seveas> what needs to be changed? <beuno_> I need to change it to:Welcome to the Ubuntu Marketing Team's IRC channel | We're here to fix Bug #1 | Keep in mind that whatever your LoCo does, any other LoCo can benefit from your work or experience! | Please sign up to the mailing list, alexanderlisa@example.com | Beuno is doing UWN, as Cody is on leave. UWN #30 is out, UWN #31 is in progress to be released Sunday March 11th <Seveas> no more edit party? <beuno_> party never happened :( <beuno_> but UWN # <Seveas> it's not 03:00 UTC yet <beuno_> 30 got out anyway :p <beuno_> that topic is like 20days old <Seveas> ahhh <beuno_> set by Burgwork at Tue Feb 13 15:16:19 2007 * ..[topic/#ubuntu-marketing:Seveas] : Welcome to the Ubuntu Marketing Team's IRC channel | We're here to fix Bug #1 | Keep in mind that whatever your LoCo does, any other LoCo can benefit from your work or experience! | Please sign up to the mailing list, alexanderlisa@example.com | Beuno is doing UWN, as Cody is on leave. UWN #30 is out, UWN #31 is in progress to be released Sunday March 11th * mode/#ubuntu-marketing [-o Seveas] by ChanServ #ubuntu-marketing 2007-03-09 <beuno> theCore: actually, much easier in here :D <theCore> ah, ok <beuno> it's about the UWN <theCore> yes? <beuno> I need to fill up the trivia section: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue31 <theCore> oh, I can do it <beuno> ;) thanks! <theCore> hmm... it seems already done... <beuno> half way <beuno> it's all the data I got <beuno> I need next weeks sponsor and prize <beuno> I also wanted you to verify it was correct <theCore> jenda: ping? <theCore> it been a while since I last saw jenda... <beuno> he's been gone for a few weeks <beuno> and seems a bit scarce these days <beuno> guess he's getting up to speed <theCore> sorry, beuno. I can't say if there will be a prize/sponsor for next week quiz <beuno> who can? <theCore> jenda <beuno> aah, ok <beuno> I'll keep pinging him then <beuno> thanks! <theCore> np <beuno> elkbuntu: ping <theCore> the marketing team seems to weaken... it's losing momentum <beuno> a bit, yeah <beuno> the most active members are a bit... well... inactive :D <beuno> guess it's just a phase, they'll get back in, or new people will come along to help, I'm sure <theCore> yeah, I hope :) <beuno> I'm sure, just needs a boost <theCore> http://www.google.com/trends?q=ubuntu%2C+windows+vista%2C+windows+xp%2C+os+x&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all <theCore> Ubuntu is more popular than Vista :) <beuno> :D * beuno jumps up and down <beuno> that's certanly worth mentioning in the UWN... <theCore> nah, that isn't really scientific <beuno> but it's google search statistics, it isn't random babiling either... <theCore> it is just some trends <beuno> :/ well, maybe not UWN, but it sure has to go somewhere... <theCore> Google Trends is certainly a nice tool for finding news items for UWN <beuno> I've always used google news <theCore> yeah, that is better :) <beuno> order by date, and voila! <mindspin> can anybody explain what companion postfix server is? <mindspin> I'm translating uwn <lionel> hi mindspin <mindspin> hi <lionel> It is a companion for postfix server :) <mindspin> hehe <lionel> I mean a software that works with postfix <mindspin> like "mate" <lionel> yep <lionel> it works with postfix but does not come with postfix <mindspin> but its not a plug in <lionel> nope <lionel> (postfix have not realy a plugin architecture btw) <mindspin> I can not translate it as "Kumpel" what mate is in german ;-) * lionel does not know anything to german :) <mindspin> copain <mindspin> would you translate it to copaine or copine or ami? <mindspin> in french? <juliux> meatballhat, did you get your shirt? * jenda stretches his ubuntu-shirt-decorated arms <juliux> hi jenda <jenda> heya jules :) <meatballhat> juliux: not yet .... :) <juliux> meatballhat, ah dhl is very slow this time <meatballhat> got a Trackin' #? <juliux> no <meatballhat> I'm patient ... .mostly ;-) <juliux> because i send it via deutschepost and it is only a normal package <meatballhat> gotcha <meatballhat> no worries <juliux> only a normal letter <meatballhat> ...although I *did* have an eerily lifelike dream in which I found a box buried in a snowdrift with a German postmark .... hmmmmm <jenda> Dan, did you drink lately? ;) <meatballhat> jenda: just some Peppermint Tea ;-) ... lungs == clogged <jenda> how fast do you think a tea addiction can be formed? <jenda> I believe I managed in 2 days. <jenda> beuno: stickers packed and ready <jenda> will be there soon. <beuno> jenda, :D thanks! <jenda> <meatballhat> jenda: (boioioioing) Tea addiction in progress :P * jenda goes refill his internal beer supply, which has been utterly depleted. <beuno> heh, go, important stuff first <beuno> elkbuntu: ping <beuno> jenda: ping+1 <MitchM> jenda, ping+2 <MitchM> :P <beuno> get in line buddy! <beuno> :p <beuno> last he said was: * jenda goes refill his internal beer supply, which has been utterly depleted. <beuno> so he might be passed out somewhere <theCore> while not jenda.answered: <theCore> ping(jenda) <beuno> aaah, python <theCore> :) <beuno> goto love the mandatory tabs <theCore> the spacing isn't mandatory. This is valid, too: while not jenda.answered: ping(jenda) * MenZa rawrs at theCore <theCore> yeah, this style is strongly discouraged :) <MitchM> while($jenda eq 'away'){ print('Ping jenda');} <theCore> I am having fun crashing Python, right now <MitchM> I still like perl. <MitchM> but i've only written one python script <MitchM> and was angry and how much I liked it <MitchM> so I refused to use it. <theCore> coding in Perl is funny <MitchM> lol. <MitchM> sure is] <MitchM> :) <meatballhat> for nerd in #ubuntu-marketing: kick nerd <meatballhat> :P <MitchM> haha! <theCore> SyntaxError: invalid syntax <meatballhat> raise BS_detector <theCore> >>> for nerd in #ubuntu-marketing: kick nerd <theCore> File "<stdin>", line 1 <theCore> for nerd in #ubuntu-marketing: kick nerd <theCore> ^ <theCore> SyntaxError: invalid syntax <MitchM> lol... <meatballhat> heehee <theCore> Python don't like your # <theCore> # is the comment character :) <MitchM> foreach $nerd-name{ print("Kick Nerd \r"); } <MitchM> well... <MitchM> or not. <meatballhat> for nerd in IRC.Freenode.ubuntu-marketing: kick nerd # :P <MitchM> :P <beuno> hahah <theCore> nerd-name should be an array no? So, it would be foreach @nerd-name{ print("Kick Nerd \n"); } <MitchM> foreach @lame-piece-of-coding{ print("/squelch $sender"); } <MitchM> :) <MitchM> \n = \r <theCore> okay, I will stop criticizing your pseudo-code <theCore> and \n is not \r <MitchM> hehe thanks :) <meatballhat> class myself(nerd): def __init__(self): print "hello, my name is", self.name, "and I\'m addicted to dropping code jokes" <MitchM> i mean - i wanted the \r :P <MitchM> lol. <MitchM> nice meatballhat :P <theCore> meatballhat: you're a nerd subclass! <beuno> lionel: ping <meatballhat> oh yeah... the O'Reilly library is earning its keep B-) * MitchM has 12 Oreilly books on his desk. <theCore> ouch... <MitchM> beat that :p <theCore> I only got one <meatballhat> :( .... only 11 <meatballhat> :D <MitchM> hehe <MitchM> (5 pocket refrences) <theCore> the Regular Expression one <meatballhat> wait! thot goofy JavaScript Pocket ref makes 12! * beuno regular expressions make my head hurt <MitchM> doh! <MitchM> RegEx is fun :) <beuno> fun, painful, small line <meatballhat> if self.nerdCred == MitchM.nerdCred: print self.name, 'must be waaaay too bored' <MitchM> lol - im not the only bored one here meatballhat :P <meatballhat> sheesh ... I need to get back to work :P thanks all for humoring this nerd subclass <MitchM> likewise :) <meatballhat> MitchM: you know Zope3 at all? <beuno> heheh <beuno> now I have to work out of guilt <MitchM> meatballhat, sure dont <meatballhat> MitchM: 'twas worth a shot ;-) <MitchM> :) <beuno> Admiral_Chicago: super-ping <theCore> nice... I hacked Python syntax :) <Admiral_Chicago> beuno: pong ^ n <theCore> so, def foo<n>: <theCore> return n + 1 <theCore> works <beuno> heh <Admiral_Chicago> whats up? <beuno> Admiral_Chicago: do you want to do the xubuntu team writeup then? <Admiral_Chicago> beuno: sure, i can talk to Jim, he might be able to give me a good word <beuno> Admiral_Chicago: great! I believe that would go under "Team of the week" <Admiral_Chicago> he's on the Chicago LoCo so we I can give him a call <beuno> that's one of the trickiest sections, so it would really help * MenZa lifts an eyebrow <beuno> keep in mind the release date is sunday * beuno raises both eyebrow <beuno> *s <Admiral_Chicago> beuno: yep, i know it <Admiral_Chicago> are we doing feisty changes? <MenZa> The /Chicago/ LoCo? Am I the only one who finds it odd to have a city have a localization team? <MenZa> :o <MitchM> they just really love their ubuntu, <MitchM> :) <Admiral_Chicago> beuno: might want to add the Ubuntu Illinois team <Admiral_Chicago> ill do it <theCore> oh, I could add a `end' token, and make Python ignore white spaces ... but that would be evil :) <beuno> Admiral_Chicago: I'm thinking no feisty changes on this one, maybe next one if I can get somerville32_ or Corey back on board <Admiral_Chicago> MenZa: we do have 9 million people in chicago area... <Admiral_Chicago> beuno: i have the script to grab them, if Cody isn't back by 32, we can run it <beuno> Admiral_Chicago: great, altough I would like to have some sort of poll to see if Feisty changes actually is something people read <beuno> it takes up a lot of work, and I'm not sure it's very apreciated <Admiral_Chicago> yep, we can do that in the long run. <beuno> maybe add one in this one, make one on launchpad and add it in #31, if there are enough votes, we'll put Feisty changes back in for #32 <Admiral_Chicago> beuno: i realized Xubuntu Testing is already on 31 <beuno> Admiral_Chicago: right, maybe we should move it to the "Community Spotlight" and rephrase it a bit, what do you think? <MenZa> Admiral_Chicago: :P <Admiral_Chicago> we can do that. <Admiral_Chicago> I'll do it now <beuno> Admiral_Chicago: great, thanks! <Admiral_Chicago> np <beuno> I'll probably take care of the "In the press" section <Admiral_Chicago> beuno: done. <Admiral_Chicago> bb/l <beuno> Admiral_Chicago: great, cya later! <mindspin> elkbuntu ping <lionel> beuno: pong <mindspin> yeah <beuno> lionel: wanna help with UWN
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