#ubuntu 2004-12-01 <Tomcat_> jdub: Intel Centrino WLAN, ipw2200... but only want to know what the installer wants to install from the net. :) <Gwildor> seek187, how to open a private window?.....xchat? (jdub/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: you need to add 'nvidia' to /etc/modules <Tomcat_> +I (jdub/#ubuntu) Tomcat_: that should work ok during install, but even if it doesn't install from the net during install, you can do that afterwards <seek187> a window will open when they message back (jdub/#ubuntu) Tomcat_: that bit is just upgrading <Gwildor> seek187, kk <gamehack> can someone help me, I've configured my CPUFreq applet but when clicking on it, it doesn't show anything...although i can change the frequency with the cpufreq-selector fromt the console ? <gamehack> thanks very much <spikeb> is usplash usable yet? :) <PorscheBoy> jdub, so in order to get into gnome i had to change "nvidia" to "nv" to use X <Tomcat_> jdub: Yeah, it did... the problem is that the installer only *searched* for access points and didn't give me a list... I got 2 neighbors with open access points here. :) <Tomcat_> jdub: I just don't want to be missing anything now that the system's installed. :o <PorscheBoy> jdub, r u sure this will fix it? <Tomcat_> jdub: If it's just upgrading that's okay... I just did that. Thanks. :) <kulaki> hi! ubuntu doesn't turn off my pc after shutdown. pls help. <Solkaris> so basically jdub if someone is interested in packaging for Ubuntu we have to support Debian also? even if we dont want to? (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: no (jdub/#ubuntu) "if they're not particularly attractive things for support" ... (jdub/#ubuntu) for ubuntu support (jdub/#ubuntu) as said above (jdub/#ubuntu) if it's something we definitely want to include, we'll do it <Gwildor> seek187, how would i locate this person, like find whatroom they are in (jdub/#ubuntu) there's no solid protocol for inclusion in universe independent of debian atm, so easiest thing to do is get it in debian :P) (jdub/#ubuntu) :) <seek187> try /whois nickname <Gwildor> thnx <Rene_S> If i embed Ubuntu into my microwave will my food taste better ? <seek187> np (jdub/#ubuntu) Tomcat_: yeah, installer just tries to connect to anything it can, which is a bit silly ;) <zenwhen_> Rene_S, no. You need to install gentoo to get your microwave hot enough to cook food. Its the compiling that does it. <Gwildor> seek187, i dont think it works <seek187> Gwildor, it shows up in status tab <Gwildor> oh...thnx <Solkaris> so basically scratch your own itch and dont worry about bothering until there is a protocol if you dont feel like dealing with Debian <Tomcat_> jdub: Well, the fact that it recognized my chipset, asked for a WEP key and then found a network (and all this in the installer!) really impressed me. Two settings after installing later the network was ready. :) <Rene_S> zenwhen_, good answer, I was gonna use Mandrake but then what do the French really know about cooking after all. <spikeb> heh <zenwhen_> Snails -_- <Rene_S> I rest my case <seek187> lol <Rene_S> Oh oh my lame jokes are clearing the room <spikeb> heh * Rene_S Fires his joke writer <dle> Hi. I was having trouble on my warty installation to get PHP's mail() function to work. I've just read 'Also, the user that compiled PHP must have permission to access the sendmail binary.' Is there a way to resolve this problem? <dle> apart from compiling mod_php4 for myself, which I'd prefer not to do. <__daniel> dle: does mailing from that host in general work for you? <dle> yes. <__daniel> dle: user www-data (running the webserver) should be able to send mails <dle> __daniel: yes, but it ain't. :) <__daniel> dle: hmmmmmmmmmmmm <dle> the logs aren't revealing either. <dle> I think I fixed it. :) <Ubuntu> anyone try todays hoary packages? <__daniel> ubuntu: are you too scared to try them yourself? ;-) <Ubuntu> daniel: YEAH :) <seek187> Ubuntu, yes <Ubuntu> dont want to break my system <socks> I cant wait intil penguin <seek187> lol <Ubuntu> seek187 any differences? <seek187> Nope not really <Ubuntu> seek187: i saw some gnome stuff <Ubuntu> ill reboot gnome <__daniel> ubuntu: try installing them yourself and use apt-listchanges <seek187> yeah applets <Ubuntu> seek187 yep <Ubuntu> gonna reboot <Ubuntu> brb <Rene_S> nice, clean upgrade to Ubuntu "Hurtme". <aaroncuk> my server stopped responding to pings etc.. had to reboot it.. is there a log i can check to see why? <Ubuntu> looks the same to me <__daniel> aaroncuk: /var/log/syslog <__daniel> ubuntu: start coding and change the world :-) <aaroncuk> whats the view command lol <__daniel> aaroncuk: tail <filename> shows you the last lines (-f for "following-mode") (-n <number> shows the last n lines) <__daniel> aaroncuk: man tail for more options :-) <the_one> hi <Rene_S> Hola <Ubuntu> daneil: i want to fix the monitor bug <Ubuntu> daniel: I mean the autodetection <Solkaris> jdub dh-make or debmake the prefered? <Ubuntu> daniel: Im gonna take a look at the source <the_one> guys, my mouse' batteries died, and I swapped mice, now no mouse will work, even the original one, not even after reboot. I have 2 usb mice <Solkaris> jdub nm .. found that answer <Rene_S> ROB|MEPIS is now known as ROB|UNDECIDED|DISTRO <ROB|MEPIS> haha no <the_one> what's the solution? <Ubuntu> any new gnome applets or is it just bugfixes? <ROB|MEPIS> Right now ... I'm MEPIS, Yoper, Ubuntu, Kanotix and Libranet ... those are my only 5 <the_one> anyone? <__daniel> ubuntu /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog.Debian.gz is your friend :-) <ROB|MEPIS> I'm gonna be testing and going 1 by 1 to see which 1 i like and do not and which 1 im gonna stay with <the_one> please, I need some guidance <Rene_S> I had to give up on Yoper, not sure if there gonna be around too much longer <Solkaris> jdub .. you said to read the new maintainer guide .. trying to make sure I have all the software listed installed .. cant seem to find imake .. and ideas? <seek187> Rene_S, I know doesn't seem like it.. that's what I used before this <ROB|MEPIS> Rene_S: I hope they do because its hell nice * Phr0stByte is still waiting to run into someone that has a Wacom USB device up and running... <ROB|MEPIS> I have 3 partitions here so I'm gonna install Yoper and/or Ubuntu or Kanotix tonight <Ubuntu> daniel: How do you do an ls by page? <Rene_S> Yeah its a nice distro, sure hope he can figure out how to fund it <Ubuntu> daniel: ls -what? <ROB|MEPIS> Yea <__daniel> ubuntu: ls <bla> | more <Ubuntu> thanks daniel <Rene_S> ah crap i upgraded Kaffeine to the new lame version again, brb gotta downgrade <Ubuntu> daniel that log shows gibberish <__daniel> ubuntu its a .gz <Ubuntu> daniel: oh <__daniel> ubuntu: so you have to zmore bla.gz <Ubuntu> daniel: so i have to unzip it? <Ubuntu> oh <Ubuntu> ok <__daniel> ubuntu: no, you dont have to <__daniel> ubuntu: zcat, ztail, zgrep and zmore are you friends :-) <Solkaris> any devs on .. have a question about the maintainers guide <Ubuntu> daniel: New drivemount, new trash applet <Ubuntu> interesting :) <__daniel> ubuntu: just install apt-listchanges <Ubuntu> nah <Ubuntu> why do i have to? <__daniel> ubuntu: it mails you the changes of a packages upgrade <Ubuntu> daniel nah not necessary <Ubuntu> daniel is there a weather applet in gnome? <Ubuntu> it says weather but i dont see it <__daniel> apt-cache search weather applet <Ubuntu> daniel so its not part of gnome? <__daniel> apt-cache show gnome-applets :-) <Ubuntu> daniel no i mean where in gnome can i find it? <__daniel> if you try to add it, look out for "W" <Ubuntu> on the screen i mean <__daniel> "W" like weather :-) <__daniel> rightclick on panel -> add applet <Ubuntu> daniel is it installed? <Ubuntu> oh <Ubuntu> ahhhhhhhh <Ubuntu> i didnt know it had those <Ubuntu> daniel most people wouldnt realize that, should be a little better way <Ubuntu> not that i dont like it <__daniel> ubuntu: think about a better way and propose it on the gnome*-lists :-) <Ubuntu> daniel yeah i will <Ubuntu> daniel developers will prolly say no :P <__daniel> they wont <__daniel> if it's a good idea and you dig yourself into the code to at least propose changes :-) <Solkaris> is there a Dev in channel <Ubuntu> daniel : One problem, weather has no way to change location <Ubuntu> daniel from the applet :P <Solkaris> err is there a Dev in channel that is currently paying attention to IRC? <__daniel> Solkaris: just ask your question <Ubuntu> daniel oops <__daniel> Solkaris: you'll see if they pay attention <Ubuntu> daniel everything is there, just its confusing <Solkaris> ok __daniel <__daniel> ubuntu: i didnt code it :-) <Ubuntu> daniel its a very nice app <__daniel> ubuntu: you may also have a look at gdesklets <Ubuntu> the applets i like alot, just kinda needs to be clearer <Solkaris> Im trying to learn how to build packages .. was refered to debian new maintainer manual .. question is to fold .. is there any know pdf of this material? and where is imake and xmkmf <Solkaris> *crickets* (trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: apt-cache show debhelper... its pretty handy... <__daniel> Solkaris: apt-cache search imake, apt-cache search xmkmf <Solkaris> yea and thats an answer to a pdf version and why there is no imake and xmkmf in ubuntu how? <Solkaris> there is no imake or xmkmf in the repository <Rene_S> Whatever happened to the service-admin tool that usually is in gnome-system-tools ? <tvon|x31> Rene_S: removed <tvon|x31> or disabled <tvon|x31> generally not there in some respect <__daniel> Solkaris: look what i told you about imake and xmkmf <Rene_S> aww, I miss that one, saves me from having to guess what things to remove <lil_anthony> question: is there a really easy to use gui prefered ftp deamon for ubuntu? i just want to setup user/password an a directory where the user can send and receive files from <tvon|x31> Rene_S: the idea is that in a destkop the end user shouldnthave to screw with services * tvon|x31 shrugs <tvon|x31> something like that <Solkaris> trey' thank you for not answering my actual question .. I did what you said and it was zero help (trey`/#ubuntu) __daniel: the only thing that comes up for both is "xutils"... this is what you want him to look at? <__daniel> Solkaris: looking at debhelper isnt done in "just a minute" <Ubuntu1> help <prescor> Hi. <__daniel> trey`: dunni... <Ubuntu1> i deleted the bottom bar accidentally <prescor> Doesn anyone have MOL running on Ubuntu? <Rene_S> Yeah thats fine in theory, however; I dont own a laptop or raid stuff or wireless things so I want to disable those services <Ubuntu1> daniel: I added weather to the bottom bar, then somehow deleted that bar on the bottom <__daniel> trey`: dunno... i thought they were included in the package (trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: apt-cache show xutils ... <Ubuntu1> daniel: How do i readd it? (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: what are you building that requires imake/xmkmf? (trey`/#ubuntu) __daniel: both are listed in the package... apt-cache show xutils :) <__daniel> trey`: i know <Solkaris> yea and it didnt answer the basic question is the Debian New Maintainers guide available in PDF? and why does it said document say to install 2 programs the dont exist in the repository? <Ubuntu2> daniel: I have a problem :P <Ubuntu2> my bar is still open and i have 2 x-chats running <Solkaris> Im following the bloody list of programs to have installed in the document you sent me to jdub .. it says to install .. Im trying to install <Ubuntu2> and i cant see the bottom bar <Solkaris> should I not be installing those? (trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: Why do you want it in PDF form? (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: you only need stuff required by what you want to build <Rene_S> right click on your desktop, open a terminal type gnome-panel restart <Solkaris> if not then why didnt someone just tell me that instead of trying to fob me off to apt-cache? (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: i think it would be better off if you did an 'apt-get source gedit' and looked at how other packages are done <Solkaris> trey' Oh for printing parts of .. simply easier to read that a freaking webpage .. that kind of thing <__daniel> Ubuntu2: i did the same once... i guess, i just had to add a new panel (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: will help as you read the new maintainer guide (trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: because xutils contains the other packages you want... <Ubuntu> didnt work <Solkaris> trey' in the future just saying that would have helped <Ubuntu> it said i had a panel opened already (trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: saying that doesn't make you use the tools provided though... <Ubuntu> wasnt there a bar on the bottom of the screen by default? <__daniel> ubuntu: not if you deleted it :-/ <Solkaris> jdub first you say read 10 chapter book on building packages and now your saying just read the gedit build? <Ubuntu1> hmm <Rene_S> ok then in a terminal type killall gnome-panel <Ubuntu1> still missing the bottom bar (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: no, both. <Solkaris> trey' thanks for trying to teach me something when Im so frustrated Im ready to f'ing fdisk this drive .. so utterly helpful and assistive <Ubuntu1> rene: No what i want is to readd the bottom bar <Rene_S> then retype the gnome-panel restart command <Chibi> Add a new panel, doofis. :P <Ubuntu1> chibi how?? (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: looking at examples is very helpful. there are examples in the documentation and available in the distro. <Rene_S> do you have a panel already ? <Ubuntu1> rene: what is a panel? (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: there is no need to be frustrated. <Chibi> I haven't used gnome panel in a while, but I belive you just right click the existing panel <Ubuntu1> rene: All i know is im missing the bottom bar <Slackman> heya, are there any plans to add ppc KDE packages for either warty or hoary? <Ubuntu1> chibi: I have no existing panel (trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: blah... what people have said are what everyone does to learn... read the documentation, then davidhull@example.net... <Slackman> and if so is there any thing i can do to help <Ubuntu1> i deleted it accidentally <__daniel> Solkaris: try to calm done... packaging projects won't work being frustrated :-/ <Chibi> Both of them? <Rene_S> its the bar that you normaly have at the top and bottom of your desktop <Ubuntu1> chibi u mean the bottom panel? <Solkaris> jdub ok .. my question was about the fact that the guide said make sure you have x y z installed .. if I dont need y or z Im cool with that just needed someone to say dont need them .. not lead me on a goose chase <Ubuntu1> rene: right, i have a top panel not a bottom panel <Chibi> The top and bottom panel are both the same program <cardador> Ubuntu: right click on the top panel, chose new panel, drag it to the bottom <Chibi> right click the top panel and make a new panel (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: if kde hasn't built on ppc, the build logs will show why -> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/ <Chibi> :o <Ubuntu1> cardador thanks <Rene_S> oh then right click on the bar and choose new panel <zez> hello <Slackman> jdub, thanks... (trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: I'd imagine jdub assumes you read the developer docs by now, and thus looking at a already-done package would be helpful to make what you read more clear... (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: that wasn't the question you asked though <Rene_S> I thought you had no panel at all hehe <Solkaris> trey' you assume alot I can see .. stop trying to do that .. might make your comments more helpful <zez> what do I need to change the print command to in mozilla? I have kprinter in there from a previous Gentoo install (trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: how about I just /ignore you, and you can continue wasting devel's time... go you... <Solkaris> yea the question why arent these 2 programs in the repository when the book says to install them .. if someone had said .. they arent needed that would have been all good .. or they are part of another package so check to see if its installed <Ubuntu> now its double the size and its empty <Ubuntu> how do i restore it back to default? (trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: damnit, THEY ARE... they are part of the xutils package!!! <__daniel> Solkaris: i can really understand trey`... try to take it slow <Solkaris> trey' please do asap .. since you havent dont a damn thing to help me <Ubuntu> is there a quick way to restore the bottom back to default? (trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: I have though... you just refuse to take it... but whatever... done... <Solkaris> than why didnt you fucking saying that to start with assmonkey? instead of sitting ontop your throne looking down ... just fing saying it .. dont play teacher with other utils <__daniel> ubuntu: don't think so <Ubuntu> daniel dang <Ubuntu> daniel i bet im not the 1st to do this <__daniel> Solkaris: just add a new panel (somehow) and re-apply all the applets <Ubuntu> daniel: How many pixels is your bottom bar? <Rene_S> I use 32 <Rene_S> sometimes 36 (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: dude, please chill. that's inappropriate for this channel. <Ubuntu> rene what is the default one? <Slackman> jdub.some of the packages like kde-artwork don't even have entried..does that mean they aren't attempted becuase a dep failed? <Ubuntu> rene: 32 or 36? (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: hrm, not sure. <Rene_S> I dunno, I always get a 24 for the bottom <Solkaris> I came here looking for help .. tried to follow that .. and I got contempt and attitude .. is this what I can expect in the future? <__daniel> ubuntu: 43 <Ubuntu> can someone click on the bottom to see how many pixels it is <Ubuntu> 43? thanks <Rene_S> not sure what the top is (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: i don't think you have. <Ubuntu> daniel no its not 43 <kensai> I have to hard Drives is it posible from my ubuntu installation to format the other hard drive and create partitions with it? How? <Ubuntu> daniel: I dont mean when u add a new panel <__daniel> ubuntu: mine is 43 :-) <Solkaris> well jdub Im trying but Im really frustated and having someone that knows the answer then play games with me is even more annoying <Ubuntu> daniel: I mean the default bottom bar size <Rene_S> 24 <Slackman> jdub, is there a ppc devel team that handles that stuff or is it purely just a build script? <__daniel> Solkaris: nobody plays games <Ubuntu> thanks rene <Rene_S> its the smallest it can go <Ubuntu> rene so 24 is the default right? <Rene_S> yeah (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: no, everyone tracks the architectures, but we don't concentrate on unsupported packages <Ubuntu> rene: Ok now what was on that taskbar? <Ubuntu> i have to readd the stuff <Solkaris> no I was .. I went to the web page that you told me to go jdub. I was starting from the beginning of said document which says make sure you have this stuff installed <Rene_S> windows list <pdaoust> hey, does anyone know where MySQL stores its databases in Ubuntu or Debian? <Rene_S> window task switcher <mike998> Gentlemen: Just wanted to say thanks to whoever helped me the other night <Solkaris> so I was making sure I had everything listed installed .. I ran into a problem finding 2 packages <Rene_S> and show desktop (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: so you asked where it was, and you were told that apt-cache search could help you find things. <__daniel> ubuntu: just add whatever you like to see ;-) (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: do this: 'rm ~/.gnome*' <__daniel> trey`: ??? (trey`/#ubuntu) then log out and back in, you will get a default gnome again... <Solkaris> and when I asked about that .. rather than say " its part of Package X" I got conflicting use apt-cache bs .. why didnt they just say the first one? <Ubuntu> rene: Which one is windows task switcher? <Ubuntu> trey: Its ok i got it <Slackman> jdub, ah fair enough..erm is there some documentation i can read to get up to scratch with how stuff works. I love ubuntu and i'd like to help, so maybe i could try to get the kde packages to build for PPC (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: because it's more helpful to show you how to search for things <Rene_S> workspace switcher <osiris_22> i need some help guys,.. i just installed ubuntu <Rene_S> sorry wrong choice of words <__daniel> Solkaris: re-talking talk doesnt help you now, does it? i dont want to be rude, but try to get on a bit slower with people... <Ubuntu> rene thanks <Slackman> jdub, by stuff i mean the build scripts etc.. <Slackman> :) <Ubuntu> rene: So theres just 3 things by default right? <Rene_S> it goes on the far right hand side <osiris_22> how do i access my windows partition? (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: the output up there is from the build daemons, which automate building all of the packages <osiris_22> how do i also get java installed right to install limewire <Rene_S> the show destop on the left hand (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: there isn't really a good map of how it all fits together yet <mike998> osiris_22: what did you call your windows partition when you partitioned your hard-drive? <Rene_S> and the other next to the show desktop <pdaoust> ha ha, never mind -- I don't even have MySQL server installed :) <Ubuntu> rene: Its a little to the right for the show desktop <osiris_22> i didnt call it anything <Mitario> anybody knows what could be the cause that when I use evolution and imap to log on to my imap server my login failes, but when I access trough ssh i can login (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: top bar has 7 entries... bottem has 4... (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: but basically, stuff gets uploaded as source, the buildds build it (with logs), and then it gets plopped in the archive :) <Ubuntu> trey whats the 4th one? <Solkaris> if I wanted to take classes on it great .. but Im trying to do something .. I dont want to spend the next hour trying to figure out if its installed or not .. the short answer would have been far more helpful and less frustrating .. the answer I got made the situation worse <Solkaris> so it didnt teach me anything other than some people cant give a straight answer (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: perhaps the trash applet? <Rene_S> Showdesktop_WindowList_Windowselector <Slackman> jdub, cool, well i'll have a go and see what i can do... :) <Ubuntu> rene which is the 4th one? <mike998> try sudo mkdir /share && sudo mount /dev/hdb /share <Rene_S> oh yeah that too (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: people are tyring to help you generally, so please let it go <Ubuntu> oh yeah thats it <Ubuntu> thanks :) <zez> what do I need to change the print command to in mozilla? I have kprinter in there from a previous Gentoo install <mike998> i think (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: it would seriously be easier if you just remove the .gnome stuff, and restart though ;) <Rene_S> I trash mine so i forget its there <Solkaris> and I never got an answer for the pdf part .. just a response of why would you want that .. that really isnt an answer thats attitude <Ubuntu> trey` how do i do that? <Ubuntu> trey`: Ill try it :) (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: oi, there is a kdeartwork log :) (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/k/kdeartwork/ (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: like I said... 'rm .gnome*' :) <Ubuntu> trey`: ok (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: ahr, but not for ppc <mike998> osiris_22: try checking your Synaptic Package Manager <osiris_22> yeah <osiris_22> i did mike (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: oh, there is for warty though <osiris_22> i installed java <osiris_22> but it needs to be in the path <mike998> okay - try cd /share <osiris_22> for limewire (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: the dir's will be recreated when you log in... they will be exactly how they were when you first installed Ubuntu :) <osiris_22> and when i go to the java dir <osiris_22> there is no files there (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: <Solkaris> sorry jdub but this has been the worst experience in several years of linux use .. I didnt even get that kind of response from Gentoo people .. guess Ubuntu is just Debian attitude in a new dress (jdub/#ubuntu) After installing, the following source dependencies are still unsatisfied: (jdub/#ubuntu) kdebase-dev(inst 4:3.2.2-1ubuntu2 ! >> wanted 4:3.3.0) kdelibs4-dev(inst 4:3.2.3-2ubuntu1 ! >= wanted 4:3.3.0) (jdub/#ubuntu) (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: it's not. <osiris_22> im new to linux and i really dont know what im doing.. <Ubuntu> trey` : sudo right? <mike998> osiris_22: you have gone beyond my knowledge - I'm a newbie too (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: no, they are in your home dir :) <Ubuntu> try`: I ran it but now i get a < prompt <mike998> what documentation have you tried reading ? (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: log out and back in... <osiris_22> there is no documentation on <osiris_22> it <osiris_22> i just wanna be able to get mp3s <osiris_22> and i have no way of doing this <osiris_22> with out java being in the right path <Solkaris> well I was just given the same treatment here that I got when I tried to use debian .. ask a simple question and get an answer that while it educates doesnt answer the question <Ubuntu> trey`: i messed up terminal <osiris_22> and i have no idea what the hell that means lol <mxpxpod> is there a webpage for the buildd's for ubuntu? <Ubuntu> trey ok im back in terminal (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: it helped you answer your question. please let it go and get on with things. this metadiscussion is not helpful. (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: well gtk-gnutella is a better program and does not need java.. <osiris_22> wjhere do i get that gamma <Ubuntu> now just from there run it without sudo? (jdub/#ubuntu) mxpxpod: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/ <mike998> heh- i have a vauge idea, but I'm afraid I don't use Limewire. I tend to use IRC channels to get my mp3s, if I want to get them * jdub goes to eat. (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: yup... <__daniel> Solkaris: you didnt get a META-META-answer, so don't complain... most people are happy to get to know tools to help them <Ubuntu> trey: In /desktop? <Gnobody> The only anwsers I ever get are "it's in the wiki" or "why do you want to do that? n00b!" (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: it's in universe (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: then /etc/init.d/gdm restart from terminal... <Slackman> jdub, heya...where are the warty logs? i just noticed that apt-requires kde-core...however the build and package dirs are kde-base <osiris_22> its in universe? <osiris_22> dude gamma <osiris_22> im a newb <osiris_22> i dont know <mxpxpod> jdub: thanks <tvon|x31> I really hate it when I ask a question and someone asks why I'm doing it (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: no... its a hidden file... ls -a in your home dir... <Ubuntu> trey`: Whats the command again? (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: in synapic enable the universe respository (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: rm -r ~/.gnome* <mike998> osiris_22: there is documentation on adding universe to your synaptic repositiries (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: I mean synaptic <mxpxpod> daniels: ping (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: then you should find it if you search <Ubuntu> trey`: was there a different .gnome as root? <Solkaris> waste of time <osiris_22> hey gamma <Ubuntu> trey`: Cause i did a sudo that...... <osiris_22> how do i inable that in synaptic <Ubuntu> i didnt mess anything up right? <osiris_22> im in synaptic (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: yes... ls -a /root <osiris_22> but i dotn see that choice <Ubuntu> trey` crap <Ubuntu> trey`: I removed the root one <mike998> osiris_22: check out http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-130623.html <Ubuntu> trey`: Doesnt matter? <mike998> It's what I used (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: doesn't really matter though, will still be recreated... <cardador> osiris_22: preferences -> repositories <Ubuntu> ok (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: now do it in your home dir though :) (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: settings->repositories <Slackman> jdub, n/m found the warty one..but yeh its looking for package names that aren't the same (trey`/#ubuntu) (without sudo) <mike998> GammaRay:Ooooo - I learned something <Ubuntu> trey ok <Ubuntu> done <Ubuntu> gotta reboot gnome <Ubuntu> brb <osiris_22> ok gamma <osiris_22> when i start synaptic <osiris_22> i get errors now <Ubuntu> now it made it worse <Ubuntu> theres a bar on the right (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: like what? <cardador> Ubuntu: drag it to where you want it <__daniel> ubuntu: drag it down <Ubuntu> i think i did something wrong (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: wtf... blah... should have restored defaults... :/ <Ubuntu> trey`: what are the procedures again? (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: I do it whenever I fuck something up (which is quite often...) <osiris_22> could not stat source package list http something something something <Ubuntu> trey`: and i just run em all from terminal? (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: press the reload button (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: just 'rm -r ~/.gnome*' and log out and back into gnome... (GammaRay/#ubuntu) trey`: that won't get it all (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: this will remove .gnome .gnome2 and .gnome2_private... <Ubuntu> trey after i do that i get a > <Ubuntu> thats normal? (GammaRay/#ubuntu) ~/.gconf is where most settings are stored <osiris_22> ok what was the name of the program (trey`/#ubuntu) GammaRay: That doesn't tend to keep panel info afaik? (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: gtj-gnutella (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: gtk-gnutella <Ubuntu> trey nope directories not empty (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: it shouldn't have changed your davidhull@example.net... this only affects gnome... <Ubuntu> i did exactly as you said rm -r ~/.gnome*' <cardador> GammaRay: LimeWire is much better (GammaRay/#ubuntu) cardador: I disagree <Ubuntu> and after it changed my prompt to > <Ubuntu> i exit and the directories are still there (trey`/#ubuntu) cardador: haha... they use the same protocol... and gtk-gnutella is faster... <Ubuntu> maybe without the '? <cardador> trey`: for me is the opposite... limewire is much faster :\ (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: ahh... yes... (GammaRay/#ubuntu) cardador: uh huh... (trey`/#ubuntu) cardador: that makes no sense... java is slow for me :/ <Ubuntu> trey ok <Ubuntu> trey works :P <Ubuntu> gonna relog in <Ubuntu> brb <cardador> trey`: i mean the downloads. they start almost imediately (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: :) I was just quoting the commands... (GammaRay/#ubuntu) gtk-gnutella also has killer rules which coudl allow it to operate on it's own if you wanted (trey`/#ubuntu) cardador: should be irrelivant, its the same network :/ <cardador> GammaRay: ill try gtk-gnutella again.. <Ubuntu> nope (trey`/#ubuntu) cardador: but we don't approve of stealing music... so you should talk about this in #ubuntu-offtopic or something :) <Ubuntu> still there <Ubuntu> trey: Nope no good <Ubuntu> trey: maybe i have to reboot? (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: no... it should have already restored defaults :/ <Slackman> hey is there any way to get ubuntu's gnome to default to the standard menu layout etc..? <Slackman> i.e default gnome (trey`/#ubuntu) Slackman: why would you want to do that? <Ubuntu> trey whats the command again? <nosami> Please could someone here help me get my ITE8212 raid controller working on Ubuntu? (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: 'rm -r .g*' will do it... I said 'rm -r .gnome*' though... <Slackman> trey`, i knew someone was going to ask that :) ... <Ubuntu> trey there was gstreamer in there <Ubuntu> trey those all get recreated? <Slackman> trey`, just out of curiousity, is it possible with out touching the code? <osiris_22> hey gamma <darksatanic> nosami: I've just read an email about that on the kernel mailing list. <osiris_22> i cant get that gtk to find anything i type in <nosami> darksatanic: where can I find it? <darksatanic> nosami: Looks like you need a 2.6.9-ac kernel. (trey`/#ubuntu) ubuntulog: yup, and gaim etc... the dir will be recreated though... the rm -r .g* command will give you basically a fresh new gnome... <darksatanic> nosami: It's not fully supported yet -- the current driver doesn't do DMA yet. <nosami> Will i need to compile it myself? (GammaRay/#ubuntu) trey`: imo the RIAA has been stealing the music from the commonwealth for a long time w/ their rediculiously long copyrights <Phr0stByte> cardator: heya! <darksatanic> nosami: Yes. <osiris_22> hey gamma <Phr0stByte> cardator: You get tired of Mandrake too? (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: this might be a better topic for #gtk-gnutella (trey`/#ubuntu) GammaRay: true enough... I didn't say I don't, but its wrong to almost promote it... <osiris_22> lord <darksatanic> nosami: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=110090864122536&w=2 <Solkaris> anyone know if there is a way to cancel a free CD order? <jcole> why can't totem or rythmbox play mp3's with libmpg123? xmms can use libmpg123 just fine... <Solkaris> cant seem to get into shipit <nosami> darkstanic: ok thanks. At least I know what direction I'm aiming for now.. I've been going around in circles all night! (trey`/#ubuntu) jcole: because they use gstreamer... activate universe, and install 'gstreamer0.8-mad'... <cardador> Phr0stByte: who the hell is cardator? :) <Phr0stByte> cardador: sorry <darksatanic> nosami: Hope you get it working eventually... And good luck. :) <FTTP> i wiped my gnome <nosami> darksatanic: cheers! <Phr0stByte> cardador: you know who I meant (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: good job? <FTTP> trey: Its me ubuntu <FTTP> trey: It made it worse..... <FTTP> trey: the ubuntu thing in the middle of the screen comes out in the bottom right and the windows open up all wrong so u cant see the screen right (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: I do it on average like once a week, I don't see what could be different about your's :/ <FTTP> trey were u using hoary? <jcole> trey`: interesting, works now w/gstreamer.... <FTTP> trey`: Maybe cause i wiped the root one? (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: I've done it for warty, hoary, sid, fedora... <FTTP> trey`: All i know is the ubuntu now comes out in the bottom (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: shouldn't matter... root is just another user... <dafart> any chance for mplayer-plugin for mozilla in amd64 ? <FTTP> trey`: And the windows come out messed up screenwise <FTTP> trey`: oh well ill just reinstall hoary <FTTP> :P <Solkaris> anyone know if there is a way to cancel order for the free cds? (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: bah... I don't get why it broke so much for you :( (sladen/#ubuntu) Solkaris: log in and set your amounts to zero <FTTP> trey i dunno (sladen/#ubuntu) defendguin: I think there are problems... the win32 codecs are 32bit <FTTP> trey: gnome still needs work tho <Solkaris> thanks sladen .. having trouble getting in .. but good to know there is a way =) thanks for response <FTTP> it was only hoary so... :P (sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: so, so ? <FTTP> sladen: yah (sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: so, ...? (so, what?) <FTTP> now i gotta remount, reinstall nvidia, microsoft core fonts <FTTP> work to do :P <FTTP> heh <jcole> trey`: shouldn't gstreamer be a dependency to totem/rythmbox? <defendguin> sladen, huh? (trey`/#ubuntu) jcole: umm, it is... but the mpg plugin isn't installed by default... <__daniel> good night, guys... i'm off :-) (trey`/#ubuntu) jcole: mad = mpg audio decoder... mp3... <FTTP> http://news.com.com/Sun+plans+patent+protection+for+open-source+Solaris/2100-7344_3-5456451.html <FTTP> interesting <FTTP> microsoft has to go (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: Novell is already doing that ;) <FTTP> trey`: I have novell linux 9 <FTTP> its bad :P <FTTP> nice features but <FTTP> it messed up my mbr (trey`/#ubuntu) I didn't really like NLD :/ felt wrong to me... <FTTP> trey`: Microsoft is a big bully <FTTP> trey`: Everyone other than microsoft HATES MICROSOFT :P <FTTP> its a fact (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: thats stupid to say... they just want to make more money, same as any other business... <Rene_S> wow movie trailers work nice in Kaffeine and Firefox 1.0 <FTTP> realplayer hated microsoft <FTTP> every company which has developed apps for microsoft hates em <mike998> hmmm - I mounted my windows partition earlier but now I can't seem to see it - does anyone have any ideas? <FTTP> they control you <FTTP> netscape hates microsoft <FTTP> u get the point (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: People that Microsoft basically put out of business of course dislike them... <FTTP> trey`: no its not stupid to say <vinic> mike998: try a mount -a <defendguin> has anyone see what fedora did to the file selector? <defendguin> http://www.redhat.com/magazine/001nov04/features/fedoracore3/ <FTTP> trey`: microsoft controls us (trey`/#ubuntu) Microsoft is just a successful business, which a bad product line.... <FTTP> trey`: They control our desktop apps, and everything as a nation in the usa <mike998> defendguin: mount: special device /dev/hdb does not exist (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: blah... I don't run Microsoft software, how do they control me? <FTTP> trey`: i only know the usa marketplace.......... for desktop you are beholden to them (kremlyn/#ubuntu) I think what is hated is the verocity with which Microsoft try to be the dominant player. It's not even borderline criminal, it is criminal. <FTTP> trey`: alot of apps are microsoft only <defendguin> mike998, huh? <FTTP> trey`: thank goodness for wine tho :) <mike998> defendguin: apologies that was not meant for you <FTTP> trey`: is the source code for solaris due to be released? <FTTP> trey`: If so, can linux borrow from it? (trey`/#ubuntu) kremlyn: every business in the world has gone about business in an illegal manor at some point... at least the successful ones have... <mike998> vinic: mount: special device /dev/hdb does not exist <paspourtoi> Welcome to Earth: A wholly owned subsidiary of Microsoft Corp <FTTP> trey`: Or it it just the binaries? <FTTP> thats what i dont know <vinic> mike998: go to /dev/ and see what hd. exist (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: yes, they are planning an OpenSolaris once they get SCO to stfu about licensing issues etc... <vinic> mike998: hdc? <FTTP> trey`: If it goes full opensource for solaris....... then linux could add some good pieces and solaris could add good pieces of linux, etc... <vinic> mike998: maybe <FTTP> trey`: It benefits the open source community <mike998> vinic: this is strange (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: I doubt they will allow that actually... <mike998> vinic: hdc=cdrom drive (trey`/#ubuntu) We will see once they put up the terms of their license though.. <vinic> mike998: strange indeed <FTTP> trey` yep <FTTP> trey`: Linux has more app compatibility <FTTP> than solaris <FTTP> i think right? <mike998> vinic: /dev/hdb appears to have gone to hawaii without the rest of the drive (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: not so much... Solaris has a Linux compatibility feature... <FTTP> solaris should be able to run linux apps tho so it will be interesting <FTTP> trey yeah thats what i mean <FTTP> but natively not <vinic> mike998: :) <FTTP> trey: solaris still using gnome tho <Solkaris> is there any way to get gstreamer to decode dixv avi files for video? all avi come out as blank screens with sound <vinic> mike998: were they mounted at boot? <FTTP> so even if we use solaris we are getting some of the same components <mike998> vinic: nah - I figured I could do it manually when I wanted the stuff (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: yes... most software companies other then Apple and Microsoft are going to GNOME... <FTTP> trey: Alot are kde <FTTP> trey: Gnome and KDE.... novell uses both for example <vinic> mike998: did you have a look to fstab? (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: not really actually... KDE is becoming more and more the hobbiest desktop... <FTTP> trey`: nope........ u can choose from both in fedora still <mike998> for some reason I have always liked gnome: It's simpler IMHO (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: Novell uses both because of SUSE... they default to GNOME though... <FTTP> trey`: Lindows = KDE <FTTP> xandros is kde i think? <FTTP> not sure on xandros <mike998> vinic: fstab! (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: Lindows and Xandros = crap though :/ <FTTP> trey lindows is big tho <FTTP> they have alot of capital <mike998> vinic: Nothing there, but I was wracking my brains trying to figure out what the name of the file was! <FTTP> compared to some smaller distros (trey`/#ubuntu) Companies trying to be more like Microsoft choose KDE, companies trying to innovate choose GNOME... <vinic> mike998: lets go PM <FTTP> trey: well yeah <FTTP> trey: I hate KDE <FTTP> trey: Thats why i like ubuntu (trey`/#ubuntu) I like KDE... I just like GNOME more... * Slackman likes KDE <mike998> vinic: I'm trying bitchx and am not sure how to PM <FTTP> trey: well i dont mean hate hate, it just too windowish <cardador> what about xfce? :) <FTTP> trey: ITs better than windows :P <vinic> mike998: clic on my name (trey`/#ubuntu) cardador: I can't believe they are getting a start button... grrr :( <cardador> trey`: maybe you can remove it... (trey`/#ubuntu) cardador: you can, but still :( <cardador> trey`: nevertheless, it is the best option for low end pcs <Avestruz> I'm having problems to use Skype on Ubuntu. Someone to help me? (trey`/#ubuntu) I dunno, this should continue in #ubuntu-offtopic... thought I was already there... <cardador> Avestruz: pergunta 'a vontade ;) <Avestruz> cardador: instalei o Skype perfeitamente. Consigo adicionar contatos e at entrar em chats com eles mas no ouo nada e nem eles me ouvem... <cardador> Avestruz: better keep it in english so others can help! <cardador> Avestruz: i have never used skype, so cant help <Avestruz> cardador: so why you aswered me in Portuguese! <cardador> Avestruz: because ive noticed your funny nick :) <Avestruz> cardador: thank you anyway. <cardador> Avestruz: have you checked your microphone volume? <Avestruz> cardador: yep. I can record my voice using the sound recorder... <Solkaris> anyone a gstreamer guy that can tell me if its possible to watch divx/avi video using gstreamer? all Im getting now is a black screen with sound <SEBest> hello don't you think that nautilus should allow the user to change it's user id, when there is a "permission denied". <SEBest> Instead of failing with this message, nautilius should pop up a dialog asking for a user name and a password that allow him to access this folder. <SEBest> what do you think? <mike998> vinic: I used vi... I like being able to use search... Nothing.. this is annoying me now. <Avestruz> ALL: I have a Toshiba notebook and I'm trying to configure Skype on it. I can record my voice but when I try to use Skype, the application says there is a problem with my sound device. What can I do? <Solkaris> so thats a no? <cardador> Solkaris: gstreamer never worked for me <SEBest> Solkaris, i think it works <jpvcx> Solkaris: gst-ffmpeg (i think), however I (probably due the fact that I 'am still a newbie) haven't got it working probably yet (runs out of sync on most xvid/divx file <Solkaris> I have gst-ffmpeg installed .. getting sound .. just no picture =( <cardador> Solkaris: install totem-xine <vinic> hi! just a little question: are pon/poff commands runable by su only? Or can I make some kind of quick launcher for user use? <Solkaris> ok .. guess thats the fix =) thanks Carador <FTTP> sco claims linux users are using their patents <FTTP> we are? <FTTP> cause of ibm contributed code! <FTTP> doh <Solkaris> go read Grok FTTP <FTTP> It's that they've taken a substantial amount of our code is what creates the battleground. It's interesting to hear Red Hat speak at financial conference yesterday and their comment is, 'We're really scaling Linux up. Linux is really growing up.' If you take IBM out of the equation, Linux would not be growing up, it would not be SMP-enabled, it would not be multi processing, scaling up to hundreds of servers. It is IBM that <FTTP> ibm did the jfs right? <FTTP> solkaris: Grok? <Solkaris> Groklaw <jpvcx> groklaw.net <FTTP> oh <FTTP> thought u meant Grok is an open source natural language processing library written in Java. It is part of the OpenNLP project, and provides implementations for most of the interfaces defined in the opennlp.common package. <Micksa> please just say "groklaw" :) <Solkaris> and be prepared for days and days of reading =) <FTTP> that grok <Micksa> "grok" can mean a few things <Micksa> see? :) <Solkaris> aye my bad .. sorry <paspourtoi> FTTP: you are believing the mythology - reading Groklaw will open your eyes <FTTP> Sun's Jonathan Schwartz Will Take Your Questions Now <FTTP> <FTTP> Friday, November 19 2004 @ 02:22 AM EST <FTTP> doh <FTTP> i would have asked him questions <FTTP> too late? <FTTP> i missed it by not that many hours <FTTP> paspourtoi what mythology?? <FTTP> paspourtoi: see im confused by the whole thing actually <FTTP> paspourtoi: IBM had os/2, got f0cked by microsoft <FTTP> os/2 and aix right? <mike998> smeg <FTTP> paspourtoi: IBM saw the way out as making money off of service and support <FTTP> so they gave alot of stuff like jfs to the opensource community <Avestruz> FTTP: I've used OS/2 for 3 years. An amazing OS... <FTTP> avestruz: im not saying it wasnt......... <paspourtoi> FTTP: some people would like you to think GNU/Linux is impossible without the big companies: history suggests otherwise <LinuxJones> FTTP, SCO are a bunch of liars who wanted to kill an already dying company and make a few dollars before it's end. It's called a "Bust-Out" <madsen> Hmm, is it possible to install Ubuntu in a chroot'ed environment from a Debian box? <madsen> And how... <FTTP> linuxjones: I actually trust david boies <FTTP> fwtw <FTTP> this was the napster guy <Avestruz> FTTP: and I'm not saying you said it wasn't! <LinuxJones> FTTP, yeah why would you do something like that ? <FTTP> linuxjones: why would i say something like that? <FTTP> linuxjones: Like what? <FTTP> linuxjones: I dont know much about the case on either side...... just know that alot of software companies got f0cked over <FTTP> linuxjones: I do know though that boies is a moral and honest man <LinuxJones> FTTP, that you trusted David Boies ? <FTTP> linuxjones: Cause ive seen him in action <Solkaris> lol <paspourtoi> FTTP: he's an opportunist IMO <FTTP> linuxjones: i know alot about many of the cases hes pursued <Solkaris> hes a lawyer .. he goes and fights for pay .. IE mercenary <FTTP> like tyco <LinuxJones> FTTP, well explain his actions with regards to SCO vs IBM ? <FTTP> linuxjones i dont know cause thats one of his cases im not familiar with <Solkaris> 31 million .. thats why <FTTP> linuxjones: I just said i trusted him in general :P <madsen> Noone installed Ubuntu in a chroot env? <FTTP> linuxjones: Is it true that IBM developed all the technology for file systems and multicpus and the like with linux or not? <FTTP> see i dont kno <FTTP> ww <LinuxJones> FTTP, SCO said that there were over a million lines of code in the Linux kernel between version 2.4 and 2.6, however there were only 850,000 lines of code added during that time of development. Meybe he is a very moral man he just can't do basic math. <FTTP> linuxjones: a jury will decide that FYI <FTTP> linuxjones: Which is fair <FTTP> linuxjones: If its wrong, case loses :P <Solkaris> he can go basic math .. 31 million is a good amount to make even if the case is bs .. either way he gets paid <LinuxJones> FTTP, not if but when :) <FTTP> linuxjones we shall see <FTTP> linuxjones: Boies has a habit of winning <FTTP> except for election 2000 :P <FTTP> hehe <FTTP> who knows i dont know much about the case <Solkaris> lol FTTP you need to go read Groklaw before you start talking about this case .. go read the legal documents <LinuxJones> FTTP, you sound like a Darl McBride type <FTTP> solkaris which one? <FTTP> solkaris too many lawsuits all over the place <FTTP> novell, ibm, redhat, sco, blah blah <FTTP> everyone is suing everyone else <Solkaris> no go read groklaw.net .. it has all the information about the case and all related cases <LinuxJones> fftp, Boies is a 3 time looser (in the words of Eric S. Raymond) <FTTP> solkaris which link? <FTTP> solkaris i just want a quick synopsis <ycco> jdub: you awake? <FTTP> of what the case involves <Solkaris> no you dont .. you got a quick synopsis and then said you trust Boise to be honest .. you need to go read what legal BS games they are playing .. how they are telling a judge in one courtroom one thing and then another judge the opposite (sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: Boies has lost all the major cases he has litigated in <Solkaris> you need to go read the history of the case .. and the on going timelines <FTTP> sladen he did? <FTTP> tyco was a loss? <FTTP> microsoft was a loss? <Solkaris> if your going to argue or understand the case .. its not something you can sum up in a single paragraph and really get understanding of the whole thing <paspourtoi> FTTP: have a look at SCOX stock to see what the market thinks about the case: a one year graph makes interesting viewing <FTTP> paspourtoi im not saying either side is right <FTTP> i dont know anything about the case PERIOD, just know from other cases, boies is right on the ball <FTTP> solkaris: I just want a summation <FTTP> solkaris of the key pointsd <FTTP> err points (sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: http://www.groklaw.net/ <FTTP> i dont want to read legal documents <FTTP> they are made for courts <FTTP> i just want a synopsis (sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: perhaps you'd take the time to read the analysis that Groklaw is famed for <FTTP> sladen on which link? <FTTP> sladen too many links there <Solkaris> all of them <FTTP> all of them? <Solkaris> its a complex and huge case <FTTP> hours of reading, no thanks :P <FTTP> im not the lawyer or a law student <paspourtoi> FTTP: if you aren't willing to read groklaw, then really you shouldn't comment on Boies or the case. This has been going on
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