#ubuntu-us-tn 2011-04-01 <chris4585> nice april fool's joke http://omgubuntu.co.uk/ <cyberanger> chris4585: I like that <chris4585> cyberanger, did you read an article that way? it was neat <chris4585> it took me a minute to figure out you could <cyberanger> it's the same thing xkcd did awhile back <cyberanger> I bet with the same code <chris4585> yeah I was reading about that <chris4585> probably <wrst> good morning everyone * cyberanger yawns <cyberanger> morning wrst * cyberanger yawns again <wrst> how are you doing cyberanger? * cyberanger yawns yet again <cyberanger> well, tired <wrst> long night? * cyberanger tries to stop the yawning by eating a boot <cyberanger> try the week <cyberanger> lol <wrst> oh well hopefully you have made money? <cyberanger> unless I also enrolled in a CIA sleep deprivation study, I doubt it was enough to justify this odd week <wrst> ha ha :) <wrst> well i've been writing documentation in my spare time when i haven't been putting a baby to sleep <wrst> so i kinda know where you are coming from cyberanger <cyberanger> when it carries on to a point, it becomes habit forming, a habit of being up 16 hours consistantly is one thing <cyberanger> 24 up, 4-6 asleep, repeat <cyberanger> (rough numbers, it wasn't quite like that, but a close example) <cyberanger> that's becoming more of a concern (I've been able to do this so long, afraid I passed that point 10 miles ago) yesterday was more of a normal day, 9pm to 5am asleep, till midnight awake, then asleep till 7:30am <cyberanger> so this tired feeling is because I "overslept" <cyberanger> hopefully that can be fixed <wrst> yeah that's not a good sign cyberanger <cyberanger> yeah, and it's gonna be a pain to stop <cyberanger> old habits..... <cyberanger> they die hard <cyberanger> (as I know, I've been trying to stop this one, only to start it back up again and again) <cyberanger> I guess this half tired feeling is mother nature's april fools joke <cyberanger> a bright and sunny day, after the ones I'd have love to have slept through if I could <cyberanger> and father time pulls this stunt <wrst> ha ha <cyberanger> wrst: woah, take a look at hulu <cyberanger> and click on a video too <cyberanger> great AFD joke <cyberanger> In some ways I like that better than the bash websites gag <wrst> howdy Xpistos <Xpistos> hey dudes <Xpistos> wrst <Xpistos> Got yelled at yesterday by the wordpress people <Xpistos> for using a non wordpress theme <wrst> shame on you Xpistos <Xpistos> I found a theme I liked except for this and this and this and wound up chaning like everything. <cyberanger> Xpistos: and why'd they yell at you for that <Xpistos> they said non wordpress themes are malware <Xpistos> I cried a little and promised never to do it again. <Xpistos> I am looking at how to create my own theme now. I think I would like that better anyway. <Xpistos> I reworked the one I was lookingat, at least for graphics <cyberanger> Xpistos: that makes me laugh a little <cyberanger> I can see that as true, but a blanket statement, heh <Dan9186> oh everyone knows that blanket statments get the most done <Dan9186> there i've jumped in and made my one comment for the day :P <vychune> ns346 <vychune> o/ <cyberanger> Dan9186: I will not work on windows <cyberanger> flawed blanket statement (despite my best wishes) <Dan9186> only cause you give in <cyberanger> Dan9186: I didn't till my wallet did <cyberanger> my own place is clear, work is a balance #ubuntu-us-tn 2011-04-02 <wrst> happy friday night everyone <chris4585lappy> anyone notice the motd on freenode? lol <chris4585lappy> wrst, have you seen a few of the new updates to unity? <chris4585lappy> when a app needs attention the ubuntu icon turns blue like the messaging menu <wrst> no i haven't chris4585lappy been a while since i updated looks like i need to do that tonight :) <chris4585lappy> yes, there are a few nice things <chris4585lappy> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/five-neat-changes-in-todays-unity-update/ <wrst> chris4585lappy: about to reboot into unity and update :) <chris4585lappy> have fun with that <chris4585lappy> http://i.imgur.com/BwFH1.png <chris4585lappy> also, I love this wallpaper ^ it should be default IMO <wrst> i'm downloading now <wrst> that is nice <wrst> well oly 240 MB <chris4585lappy> lol @ only <chris4585lappy> thats half my daily bandwidth <wrst> ha well I'm not exactly on speedy internet either <chris4585lappy> ah <wrst> but no download limits atleast <vychune> o/ <cyberanger> what a day <wrst> good or bad cyberanger? <cyberanger> good <cyberanger> long <cyberanger> intresting <vychune> o/ <cyberanger> ARES activation for a bike race, up at 6am, feels like it's 9pm, only shy of 6 <cyberanger> hey vychune <vychune> whats up <cyberanger> nothing anymore <cyberanger> evening of rest <vychune> im at a lan with a incompatible mac <cyberanger> incompatable mac? <vychune> power pc <vychune> steam doesnt work on it <cyberanger> ah #ubuntu-us-tn 2011-04-03 <chris4585> wrst, somewhat good news, imo it is... 11.10 will hot ship gnome desktop <chris4585> I'm thinking they will put unity 2d instead of gnome, which is actually great I think <chris4585> it would be awesome if they had a desktop manager that would allow you to select what you want and don't want <chris4585> hrm I really need to learn python.. <wrst> hmm chris4585 so you think it will be its own thing ? or still gnome based of sometype? <wrst> chris4585: it is getting pretty nice <chris4585lappy> wrst, yeah, right now I'm trying to beat my habit of scrolling on the desktop to go to the next desktop <chris4585lappy> just not possible with unity <wrst> hmm that stinks, i use that on my desktop but not on my laptop <chris4585lappy> well, I'm not a big fan of using the key combinations to do things, but on my laptop I have to <chris4585lappy> its just so much easy to scroll though <chris4585lappy> easier* <wrst> hmm wobbly windows workthats nice and to opacity on the bar is nice <wrst> yes whe i use a mouse i prefer the center scroll <chris4585lappy> the opacity is nice, but blur would be so much better <wrst> yes it would be but hopefully that will come <chris4585lappy> yep exactly <chris4585lappy> like if the trash can could be changed to a workspace area where i could scroll I'd be more than happy <wrst> yes i would like to be able to move the dock also <wrst> chris4585: messing with unity some... man i tell you i think its good <wrst> the window borders, panel, and dock i think aren't exactly matching up but i susect eventually its going to be a very beautiful desktop <chris4585> wrst, my thoughts exactly * cyberanger wishes for a boxbuntu <wrst> yeah chris4585 its really a great looking desktop <cyberanger> at least it's easy to make a custom build <cyberanger> and lubuntu is coming along nicely <wrst> chris4585: the 2d deal where you are talking about qt based? still? <chris4585> wrst, hrm yeah? the 2d stuff is qt, but it works rather nice <chris4585> just as good as the normal unity imo <wrst> well i'm wondering chris4585 you said they will not be shipping at gnome could they be going to some sorta qt unity thing ? <chris4585> wrst, yeah thats what everyone is guessing for 11.10 <wrst> hmm that will be interesting i thought shuttleworth had some liking towards qt <chris4585> yeah he does a lot apparently <wrst> well it iss slicker i think #ubuntu-us-tn 2011-04-04 <cyberanger> chris4585lappy: do you still use openbox too? <cyberanger> chris4585: <chris4585lappy> cyberanger, well, not currently, but its a love affair type thing <cyberanger> and unity isn't shifting that? or is it? <chris4585lappy> I don't think you can use openbox with unity, unity needs compiz <chris4585lappy> unity 2d could possibly use openbox I assume <cyberanger> I didn't mean at the same time, more of your preference <chris4585lappy> oh, I'd love to use openbox but compiz, unity, gnome... all appeal to me also <cyberanger> I've barely tried unity (between server work and repairs, just haven't gotten to it) <chris4585lappy> I can't wait for unity in 11.10 <cyberanger> I can't see myself using kde or gnome again, openbox and lxde just are too snappy <chris4585lappy> depends <cyberanger> unity at the last trial (month ago?) was buggy enough to be unsure where it fits <chris4585lappy> yeah, now its a bit different, It doesn't crash on me anymore like it did 3 weeks ago <cyberanger> I've used natty more recently, but my openbox build <chris4585lappy> I'm a bit sad to see no gnome in 11.10 but oh well <cyberanger> so I'll have to fire that back up <chris4585lappy> I kind of want to try the latest gnome 3 stuff on ubuntu, I'm sure someone will try making a remake with it <cyberanger> yeah, that'll be intresting, gotten so many used to the lucid feel <cyberanger> one of us at least <cyberanger> we seem to be the two doing custom builds the most here <chris4585lappy> thats the stuff I really enjoy doing, its like my hobby... <chris4585lappy> cyberanger OH! we're getting cable in ~2wks <chris4585lappy> for sure <cyberanger> yeah, same here, I'd do it more often if I could <cyberanger> I need to remaster a live disc of a few builds too <cyberanger> oh, cool <cyberanger> where's the hughesnet going after that then? <cyberanger> modem and such? <chris4585lappy> I'm not sure, probably going on craigslist or something <chris4585lappy> if I had openbox, I'd probably use awn with dockbarx, then for a launcher I'd use synapse or something <chris4585lappy> I'd still use nautilus, because well I love it lol <cyberanger> really, I love pcmanfm myself <chris4585lappy> its alright for the most part <cyberanger> what's the modem model? hn7000s or hn9000 or another one? <chris4585lappy> 9000s <cyberanger> ouch <chris4585lappy> why? <cyberanger> that's a harder one to sell <chris4585lappy> lol well then <chris4585lappy> it does the job just fine for me lol <cyberanger> hughesnet upgraded stuff, so called spotbeam tech <cyberanger> and locked it down <cyberanger> nobody but their techs can really do much with them <chris4585lappy> oh <cyberanger> and due to that lockdown, it's a nightmare <chris4585lappy> meh, I like the webui on it <cyberanger> can't switch transponders, use another satellite, or take it outside your grid <cyberanger> without calling them, getting approval <cyberanger> and sometimes pay a fee or two <cyberanger> it's the same (mostly) webui as the hn7000s <chris4585lappy> ah, well I don't really need to do anything like that and such, just need internet <cyberanger> but I can throw than in a truck, drive to seattle, vancouver, maine, flordia <cyberanger> no questions asked <chris4585lappy> ah <wrst> chris4585lappy: have you tried gnome shell? <wrst> lately <cyberanger> you might not do that, but that's troubleshooting I could do, as long as it wasn't locked to HN (which was a call to my boss at minimum) <chris4585lappy> I've never really tried it, just once for a few minutes over a yar ago <chris4585lappy> year* <cyberanger> and that's hassles reselling it will have too <chris4585lappy> I'd like to try gnome-shell on fedora whenever it comes out <wrst> chris4585lappy: i tried the gnome 3.0 live cd... i was unimpressed <cyberanger> not saying it can't be done, selling it, just that it was so much easier when I did this every few days <cyberanger> wrst: really, what was the downside on gnome 3 <wrst> just clunky and weird to me, unity makes much more sense <cyberanger> ah <cyberanger> well, can't see myself using it or kde anymore <wrst> could have just been me, but i do think they both make gnome 2.x show its age a little bit <cyberanger> but gnome is ubuntu atm <chris4585lappy> cyberanger, I found someone in orlando selling it for $30 lol <chris4585lappy> another guy satellite + modem $100 <cyberanger> and that's what I give out (read: shoving down somebody's throat) <cyberanger> chris4585lappy: yeah, it's not price it's hassle <chris4585lappy> wrst, I'd like to try gnome3 fallback <cyberanger> unfortunately, if lubuntu doesn't shape up a little more, idk what I'll do down the road for low end rigs <chris4585lappy> for regular users? <wrst> cyberanger gnome on arch is good on low end machines <chris4585lappy> I agree with that, or lxde <cyberanger> lxde could be <cyberanger> chris4585lappy: new users really <chris4585lappy> well thats kind of what I meant <cyberanger> well, newer, using it for cost more than geek status <cyberanger> wrst: no......... not for a new guy <cyberanger> bbiab <wrst> no not for a new person at all unless you are admining it for them <wrst> chris4585: i think they need to do away with the black and orange <chris4585> wrst, what black? <chris4585> I only see purple and orange <chris4585> and I love it <wrst> the panels and the window title bars <wrst> with the transparent dock seems like you would go transparent all the way <chris4585> yeah kind of, personally I'd rather have true blur instead <chris4585> that would be nice.. <wrst> yes i agree but transparency is an improvement <cyberanger> back <cyberanger> wrst: I would be, at first <cyberanger> end result is them doing it or not, and with ubuntu currently, it's too quick <cyberanger> xubuntu is also fast, getting someone to be enough of an admin <wrst> xubuntu seems about as bloated as gnome to me cyberanger <chris4585> xubuntu has no purpose imo.. <chris4585> why xfce was even born is beyond me <wrst> just seems strange to mee too chris4585 <cyberanger> my custom builds on openbox are a bit more automated, but not really faster than gnome (kinda a point where learning is learning) <cyberanger> true, it used to be better <chris4585> cyberanger, whats a good method for automating volume mounting in openbox? <cyberanger> part of that is due to the larger dependance now <cyberanger> chris4585: pcmanfm and nautilus make it as simple as clicking an icon <cyberanger> do you want it literally to automount? <chris4585> cyberanger, hrm ok, I guess I haven't really tackled this problem in 3 years <chris4585> I always used rox fm <cyberanger> there might be a need for an underlying system like hal <cyberanger> pcmanfm doesn't afaik, nautilus might <cyberanger> crunchbang members had a few ways, not sure what got into the offical builds <cyberanger> I'm betting hal was what they did, for earlier builds <chris4585> well when I get cable again I'll start doing more <cyberanger> and classes should be nearing their end <cyberanger> further helping <chris4585> cyberanger, I graduated HS back in Jan <chris4585> lol <cyberanger> chris4585: oh, uh.................. <cyberanger> a late Congrats is in order <cyberanger1> chris4585: oh, uh.................. <cyberanger1> a late Congrats is in order <chris4585> its alright <cyberanger> it will be so much easier for you to bitorrent the internet now ;-) <chris4585> mhm <Xpistos> hey er body <Xpistos> wrst <wrst> morning Xpistos what's up? <Xpistos> trying to track down a copy of joomla 1.0.0 <wrst> hmm <Juzzy> heh <Juzzy> wtf for <Juzzy> how many exploits are out for 1.0? ;/ <wrst> windows 8 anyone? http://www.withinwindows.com/2011/04/02/windows-8-secrets-windows-explorer-ribbon/ <Xpistos> yuck <wrst> ha ha thought that would be a well loved post <Mighty_Penguin> wrst, I got a funny message <Mighty_Penguin> I destroyed the server on which the site is hosted on. Please stand by while we ponder what to do next. In the mean time, you can read the Windows 8 articles on Paul's Supersite or even the Within Windows Facebook page. <wrst> ha ha #ubuntu-us-tn 2011-04-05 <robertzaccour> hey yall <cyberanger> what lovely weather we are having <cyberanger> your umbrella does NOT double as a lightning rod <cyberanger> looking at making a custom install disk now <cyberanger> followed by a live disc <cyberanger> if lightning weren't a concern, that is <wrst> cyberanger: I hope you survived the weather <Xpistos> Morning yal <Xpistos> wrst <wrst> morning Xpistos how goes things? <Xpistos> crappy as usual <Xpistos> So I must be aliv <wrst> Xpistos: cant be all bad <Xpistos> It's not just 95% <Xpistos> Need to change jobs <wrst> think upon the 5% :) <Xpistos> Just because I can do everything doesn't mean they need to expect me to do that <Xpistos> I have gone above and beyond for my company, but now they just expect me to do it all the time <wrst> and if you do everything the paycheck needs to reflect it! <Xpistos> well, i work for a non profit so.... <wrst> oh yeah... that's not likely then :\ <Xpistos> I do what I can for the place I work whenever I can. It is when they just expect it and let me do it, that I say ... time to go <Xpistos> Last week they began to realize that I won't keep doing it an now they begin to see what happens when I leave. <wrst> ha that will show 'em! * cyberanger rolls out of his coffin <cyberanger> wrst: all seems well now <cyberanger> had to kick in the batteries, they held <wrst> thats good cyberanger sounds like you actually slept? <cyberanger> slept? <cyberanger> yeah, did <cyberanger> less than desired still <wrst> well its a start cyberanger :) <cyberanger> wrst: not a good one though <wrst> isn't any sleep good? <chris4585> well I think ubuntu just destroyed my home :| <wrst> what chris4585??????????? <chris4585> wrst, trying to upgrade from the CD was a bad idea for linda89@example.com... <chris4585> I'm having some trouble locating where things from my /home went to... <wrst> oh your home directory, not your physical dwelling place :) <chris4585> lol.. <wrst> hmm i've about just given up on upgrades <chris4585> well it worked well on another computer... <chris4585> I have not lost much because I have a backup from my last reinstall, but new music I've got since then I'll have to find again.. <chris4585> right now I'm trying to get to the bottom of what happened to my files, especially when the installer says "no files will be deleted..." <chris4585> actually some of the good music was spared... on this laptop, but I'm going to have to download multiple torrents again :'( <cyberanger> wrst: some extent, yes <cyberanger> chris4585: ouch <cyberanger> chris4585: I think you'll want to do that over cable next time, that is rather odd <chris4585> cyberanger, yep... I'll have to wait, I had at least 2000+ songs downloaded from torrents that are now lost <cyberanger> that might not be ubuntu's fault <cyberanger> I blame the RIAA <chris4585> lol har har <chris4585> http://i.imgur.com/wEH0e.png * cyberanger still blames the RIAA <cyberanger> what speed did you burn the disc at <cyberanger> ? <chris4585> cyberanger, its from USB not using a CD <chris4585> although I did it first from a CD... <cyberanger> hrm <chris4585> the burn said it was successful <cyberanger> the burn to USB was successful, intresting <chris4585> the burn to the CD said it was successful and the USB should be flawless <cyberanger> well, better odds, why not skip the cd burn and use the iso instead? <cyberanger> hey Xpistos <cyberanger> chris4585: a flawed read could have tripped it up <cyberanger> just seems an odd result anyways <chris4585> cyberanger, think I can use a file recovery program? <cyberanger> are you ext3 or 4 <cyberanger> chris4585: your filesystem? <chris4585> ext4 <chris4585> cyberanger, got any suggestions? <cyberanger> got a working live disc and a seperate drive <cyberanger> if so, yes <chris4585> yep, ubuntu 11.04 beta running live right now <chris4585> separate drive? you mean partition? <cyberanger> no drive, want to recover, we need to pull files off drive a, and put them on drive b <cyberanger> or we may overwrite what we wish to save <chris4585> cyberanger, oh I see, anyway I can do that with a external HDD then? and... does it have to be clean? <chris4585> I have 2 externals, but both have files on them <cyberanger> yeah, external or network mount point <cyberanger> since we're aiming a files, not partitions, just enough free space will do <chris4585> alright, I really hope doing this wont delete any more data.. I'm just glad I haven't actually written anything to disk yet <chris4585> cyberanger, I'm ready when you are <cyberanger> chris4585: that will be a little bit then, all thumbs now <cyberanger> 30 minutes? <chris4585> cyberanger, thats fine <cyberanger> ok, ssh is nice, typing on a G2 has it's limits <cyberanger> heading back, be on in 30 <chris4585> I might be gone by then, hopefully I can get this started before I have to leave <chris4585> cyberanger, I'll be back in about an hour~ * chris4585 pokes cyberanger <orias> trying to get your data? <chris4585> orias, yeah <orias> going to just use a live cd, then boot and copy? <chris4585> well I already have the livecd running <orias> can you see the drives? (source/destination) <chris4585> yep <orias> if so oyu should be able to drag and drop from one to another <orias> unless you need to *undelete* <chris4585> orias, I'm not really sure what you're getting at <orias> what are you trying to accomplish? <orias> first :) <chris4585> recover data that has been deleted <orias> ahh <orias> use the live cd <orias> to install the testdisk/photorec packages <orias> use photorec to scan the drive to recover what you deleted <orias> heres the awkward part <orias> it recovers *everything* ir- if you want to recover *.mp3 it will recover *every *.mp3 it can find <orias> and then give it a generic name/number <orias> like f121321 <orias> like f121321.mp3 <orias> :) <orias> youi need to go through the file types in the options and specify what you want, otherwise itll recover *everything* <orias> brb #ubuntu-us-tn 2011-04-06 <orias> chris4585: how much stuff are yoiu trying to recover? <chris4585> orias, a few gbs <chris4585> actually probably more than a few <chris4585> orias, I pretty much want to recover everything in ~/ <orias> ahhh lost ~? <orias> you can , but its going to be ugly as far as filenames <orias> you need to ensure that you recover drive A onto drive B, otherwise you risk overwritting data. make sure that the destination drive has plenty of room <chris4585> orias, somewhere during upgrading ubuntu, ~/ went missing <chris4585> short story, I should have backed up first <orias> was it on a spereate partition? <orias> *separate <chris4585> nope <orias> ahh <orias> youi should always out ~ on a different partition <chris4585> personally I don't like doing that <orias> really? saves alot of heart aches <orias> especially during upgrades or new installs <orias> decided on what you want to do? <chris4585> usually I do fresh installs, I just copy my files from my external hdd <chris4585> well I'm on the phone atm, but I'm going to look up some syntax or how to use it <orias> photorec is pretty easy, select the correct drive, then go through the options <chris4585> do you just run photorec and then get a menu? <orias> yeah <orias> sudo photorec <orias> then select the right drive <chris4585> do I have to have it mounted? <orias> yeah <chris4585> ok <orias> then choose "continue" when it asks about hidden partitions <orias> then EFI GPT > <orias> then whole disk> then filetype (ext3/4) <orias> then *imoortant* make sure you choose the right drive to put the recovered files in :) <orias> then hit "y" to start the process :) <orias_> heh <chris4585> hrm okay <orias_> you want to <orias_> change the file types it looks for, unless you want to get *everything* back <orias_> srsly *everything* even little cache files and thumbnails 0.o <chris4585> I'm at the part where it says "Disk /dev/sda - 500 GB / 465 GiB (R0) - etc... Unknown. Search? <orias_> do you want to get everything back? (takes a while) <orias_> or a more targeted approach? <chris4585> I want everything in a specific partition / folder <orias_> its going to scan for everything it can <orias_> g <chris4585> so Partition - Unknown ? <chris4585> and hit search? <orias_> you're at the first menu? <orias_> ahh the last menu <orias_> did you make sure to chose the correct destination? <chris4585> Search - Options - File Opt - Quit <orias_> if so then select search and the process will start <orias_> you can choose options to narrow your search <chris4585> orias_, when it asks for a drive, is that where it wants to search or... destination? its not very clear <orias_> but for now if you want choose search, then ext3/3xt4 for file type <orias_> first choice is source <orias_> ie what you want to look through <chris4585> ok <orias_> tell me when your done <orias_> with that <chris4585> ah okay <orias_> at the ext screen yet? <chris4585> yes <orias_> choose ext2/ext3 <orias_> new screen? with . <chris4585> ok <orias_> .. <orias_> bin <orias_> boot etc? <chris4585> its showing me ~/ on the livecd <chris4585> but yeah <orias_> choose .. <orias_> then go under media <orias_> and see if another drive is present <orias_> choose ..t all the files it finds. <orias_> choose wisely <orias_> this is where it will put all the files it finds.* <orias_> once you find your desired destination, press y to start the process <chris4585> hrm okay <orias> how goes it? <chris4585> I made a dir named RECOVERY on my external HDD, select that dir then hit y? <orias> yes <orias> then come back in 3 days <orias> :p <chris4585> interesting, so there's no way to narrow down what folder I want to recover? <orias> nope <orias> only thing you can use to narrow it down is file type <orias> ie <chris4585> ah okay, here goes nothing! <orias> jpeg mp3 txt <orias> good luck! you did choose the right destination right ? <orias> 0.0 <orias> just making sure :) <chris4585> yes <chris4585> on the external hdd.. <orias> \0/ <chris4585> lol <chris4585> orias, thanks for your help <orias> np <orias> what region of tn are you in? <chris4585> never done this before, hope I get what I want <orias> you'll get *everything* <chris4585> orias, well I moved 2.5yrs ago, but I lived in Kingston <orias> :) <orias> where at now? <chris4585> orias, right now I'm in Fl, above Tampa <orias> nice <chris4585> orias, will it really take 3 days? lol <orias> it depends on how big the drive is <orias> it scans from start to finish :) <chris4585> partition itself is 367gbs, and it probably only has 20gbs or so on it <orias> niceheh <orias> figure about 15 minutes for 8 gigs <orias> so.... <orias> 11.5 hours/ <orias> ? <chris4585> strange, it seems to be recovering files from my windows partition, is that normal? <orias> it'll get *everything* <orias> :) <chris4585> ok, its a bit strange how it recovers with the odd filenames, anyway it will sort this in the directories they were in? <orias> nope <orias> its like dumping out your desk into the bed of a truck <orias> :) <orias> but at least you get your stuff back :) <cyberanger> chris4585: sorry, that's what I get for stopping in the shop on a day off <cyberanger> drafted <orias> lol <cyberanger> orias: thanks, that was more or less the method I had in mind myself <cyberanger> (I usually use mutiple methods, redundancy never hurt a geek <cyberanger> after all) <orias> lol <cyberanger> orias: I did think it could be a little more selective, to at least a partition <chris4585> are there any methods that will retain file names? <chris4585> orias, recovery is complete o.O <cyberanger> chris4585: considering what happened, not really <cyberanger> the headers are altered, possibiltiy of more than that too <cyberanger> for the extra hassle, it's usually not worth it for mp3's or pictures <chris4585> hrm... <chris4585> it only recovered 511 mp3s, I expected about 2,500 <cyberanger> becuase the ID3 tags should have data in them (and a tool can read the tags and sort them) and pictures usually being random anyhow (DSC1000X and such) <cyberanger> huh, odd <cyberanger> chris4585: is there still free space on the drive? <chris4585> cyberanger, there should be <chris4585> there we go... its getting more mp3s this time <chris4585> but that still doesn't save the id3 tags.. <cyberanger> chris4585: really, no id3 tags <cyberanger> did you have id3 tags before <chris4585> yep <orias> well its better than a total loss <chris4585> is there some sort of special option for that.. ? <orias> did you soecify any file types? <chris4585> mp3s and brute force <cyberanger> not sure why it has no id3 tags now <chris4585> well if I had them, I could simply rename the files <cyberanger> well, this is progress though <cyberanger> orias: ever used foremost <cyberanger> ? <orias> nopr <orias> headed to the house... hope you find what you're looking for chris4585 <chris4585> orias, thanks for the help <orias> i wonder how it turned out for Chris... <cyberanger> unusual for him to part channel <cyberanger> connection perhaps <chris4585> cyberanger, I think I have some very good news <orias> ? <orias> how'd it go? * orias is thinking about moving to Debian <chris4585> I found a dir in /home named .ecryptfs/chris/.Private and it seems to be ~43gbs <chris4585> so I don't think its deleted, just encrypted.. <chris4585> not quite sure how to get it unencrypted though <orias> encrypted home partition? <orias> sweet <chris4585> its whatever ubiquity did to it... <wrst> glad you got it going chris4585 <chris4585> I'm very glad too... now to figure this encryption stuff out * wrst is reading the backlogs <chris4585> this is very frustrating <orias> ? <chris4585> I don't know how to get my data unencrypted <orias> http://www.theirishpenguin.com/2010/09/26/accessing-your-encrypted-home-directory-in-ubuntu/ <orias> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory#Recovering%20Your%20Data%20Manually <cyberanger> chris4585: ok, that's doable then <cyberanger> shame on it not asking, but that really really makes sense <cyberanger> and you might just need to login to it to unlock it (it's supposed to be tied to that and scripted) <cyberanger> orias: again, thanks for being speedier than me <orias> we're all here to help, in any way we can :) <cyberanger> orias: and about moving to Debian, it's my job to suggest otherwise, but that's gotten harder for me to try lately <orias> hah <wrst> orias: why considerng moving to debian? <orias> been thinking about crunchbang as well, but i dunno <cyberanger> since I've gotten more debian loyal than ubuntu now <orias> I want to keep learning <chris4585> this is giving me a headache <cyberanger> crunchbang is nice, I've made my own build like it off ubuntu <chris4585> I've tried: ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase /home/.ecryptfs/ubuntu_user/.ecryptfs/wrapped-passphrase <chris4585> but then it asks for a passphrase.. <cyberanger> as has chris4585 (it's just openbox nitrogen conky & tint2 ) <orias> didi you ever save the passphrase it generated during the orignal install? <orias> heh <cyberanger> orias: that assumes it did give it to him, which sounds highly unlikely <orias> :/ <chris4585> orias, it was saved I believe <cyberanger> chris4585: did you try your username password there? <cyberanger> your login account <chris4585> cyberanger, yeah no go <cyberanger> ugh * cyberanger hands chris4585 a glass of vodka, raises a toast to the perfect and sometimes elusive upgrade <orias> which guide did you try to use? <orias> wanna go through he second guide step by step? <chris4585> right now I'm looking at this http://www.theirishpenguin.com/2010/09/26/accessing-your-encrypted-home-directory-in-ubuntu/ <orias> try the one from ubuntu's help docs <orias> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory#Recovering%20Your%20Data%20Manually <cyberanger> chris4585: that one has better luck <chris4585> alright <cyberanger> chris4585: you'll need another step for that too <cyberanger> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory#Recovering%20Your%20Mount%20Passphrase <cyberanger> to get the mount passphrase <cyberanger> shoot <chris4585> give me a few minutes <chris4585> agh, today has just been a big headache <cyberanger> chris4585: this should NOT work anyhow /home/.ecryptfs/ubuntu_user/.ecryptfs/wrapped-passphrase should NOT exist <cyberanger> /home/ubuntu_user/.ecryptfs/wrapped-passphrase <chris4585> cyberanger, I took the steps to do it correctly on my system <chris4585> I'm getting off the livecd and booting up.. <cyberanger> ok <chris4585> this might have been my problem all along.. <cyberanger> (just noticed though, that would explain ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase not working as expected) <chris4585> :/ got a kernel panic <chris4585> cyberanger, well I figured that, thats why I'm trying from the install.. <chris4585> but looks like I might have to chroot.. <cyberanger> how long till you get cable? <chris4585> cyberanger, about a week or so <cyberanger> ouch, was thinking if you could run live, backup everything now, everything clear at least (vs encrypted) and then come back to this with a netinstall <chris4585> cyberanger, would chrooting into my borked up system possibly yield results with ecrypt? <cyberanger> just nuke the issue <chris4585> the issue right now is I'm getting a kernel panic.. <cyberanger> chroot from the live disc and try? <chris4585> yeah <cyberanger> could <chris4585> lets find out.. <cyberanger> did ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase /home/user/.ecryptfs/wrapped-passphrase not work? <cyberanger> (note that is a different filepath than what you put above) <cyberanger> orias: I have never seen ubuntu write that mountprase to stout <cyberanger> so one could write that down <cyberanger> idk if that's ubuntu dumbing down or a bug (I'll settle for both) <orias> i remember the installer asking me to take note of a long string, i sent it to myself to make sure <chris4585> I think my system is very borked <chris4585> apt-get: command not found <chris4585> :| <cyberanger> well, the usual idea is to take the path of least resistance (aka KISS) <cyberanger> and I do agree, back up what you can, reinstall <chris4585> yes, this is becoming a bit of a hassle <cyberanger> just a bit ;-) <chris4585> cyberanger, I have an idea, if the password is the same on a similar system could I copy the .ecryptfs dir to the similar system and try? <cyberanger> no, since the password should still be decrypting that file now <cyberanger> but did you get the right file, /home/user/.encryptfs/wrapped-passphrase <chris4585> yes I have that file.. <cyberanger> cause before you ran the command differently, to a nonexistent path <orias> keep fighting the good fight :) <cyberanger> if ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase /home/username/.ecryptfs/wrapped-passphrase doesn't work, sorta screwed <cyberanger> your login password unlocks that, which has the mount password to unlock the rest <cyberanger> a two step <chris4585> cyberanger, well I have the files, but they're on a borked system <cyberanger> and that's where this gets to be an issue, it's not system and files, and afaik, changing your password with a tool like passwd isn't enough in itself <cyberanger> well, backing them up doesn't hurt <cyberanger> just a matter of how borked they are, what they'll be good for <chris4585> I'll let you guys know if I get something going.. right now I'm going to install 10.10 on the same system to do some repairage <chris4585> I think I'm getting somewhere <cyberanger> chris4585: at three hours I'll let you tell me if that's good or bad <chris4585> cyberanger, lol well I think I have everything I need.. its a bit confusing though <chris4585> fallowing that guide, all I'm able to do is mount my .Private encrypted folder somewhere else, and its not un-encrypted then.. <chris4585> I'm trying to figure this out <cyberanger> well, we're here to help, just so long as you don't cut the blue wire, we'll be good <cyberanger> ;-) <chris4585> cyberanger, it took 3hrs to install a fresh ubuntu on my desktop :P <chris4585> partitioning this drive takes a while <cyberanger> ouch <chris4585> it seems I'm not having an issue with the passphrases but its not decrypting anything :/ <cyberanger> so you have your mount passphrase, used it to mount the encrypted folder, and nada <cyberanger> ? <chris4585> yeah it mounts, but not decrypts.. <chris4585> that is what appears to be happening <cyberanger> chris4585: chance there is nothing to decrypt <cyberanger> nuked home, then created encrypted home <cyberanger> or copied home, created encrypted home, snafu goes here <chris4585> cyberanger, that doesn't explain the ~40gbs the .Private folder is showing <chris4585> darn, looks like I"m going to have to resize this partition.. <chris4585> fun <chris4585> bbiab <chris4585> setting up the partitions will take all night, I might as well sleep <wrst> morning Xpistos <vychune> o/ <cyberanger> wrst: might I ask a favor <wrst> sure cyberanger <wrst> what can i do for you? <cyberanger> I might not be at tommorow's meeting, celbrating a birthday a day late <cyberanger> if I'm not, and nobody gets the memo (email to the list, typing it now) let them know <wrst> ok need me to send an email cyberanger? <cyberanger> no, just if your at the meeting, or anyone else that's briefed (which should be everyone on the list, you and our leaders seperate) and someone wonders, let them know <cyberanger> I'm getting us an adgenda for once * cyberanger hasn't been the best leader on matters of documentation #ubuntu-us-tn 2011-04-07 * wrst is pretty happy with gnome 3.0 <orias> *yawn* * cyberanger beats the yawns out of orias <cyberanger> morning orias <wrst> hello everyone <wrst> cyberanger: i used gnome3.0/shell last night i must say its pretty nice <cyberanger> interesting <wrst> cyberanger: its really not bad at all and i think right now its better than unity, that being said unity at its stage in life i think may have a lot more upside <cyberanger> hrm <wrst> cyberanger??? i get teh feeling you are thinking something you aren't saying? :D <cyberanger> Go Openbox! <cyberanger> ;-) <cyberanger> well, that and I'm thinking that I missed something when remastering this livedisc <wrst> ha ha cyberanger gnome3 is very different but after using it for about 30 minutes it flows really well short of not having a minimize/maximize button, which i used the gnome-tweak package to get that in <cyberanger> I did, at least it's just an iso <cyberanger> whoops <cyberanger> wrst: this will be so cool when done <cyberanger> but an annoying pain right now <wrst> aren't most things like that :) <cyberanger> most are a challenge, annoying pain is rare in comparison <cyberanger> and it can be both (as is the case now) <wrst> oh cyberanger happy birthday? <cyberanger> Thanks wrst <cyberanger> (yeah, yesterday when I said celebrating a birthday late, I meant my own ;-)) <cyberanger> some events are better when not alone <wrst> ok cool well happy belated birthday cyberanger! <cyberanger> Thanks, it might mean missing one meeting, but I rarely miss them anyway <cyberanger> once will not hurt, and knowing me, I won't miss it all <cyberanger> oh, and don't mind that reminder bit I metioned, cyberanger-bot will take care of it <cyberanger> I didn't send to the list yet, still debugging mailman <cyberanger> gonna have my bot send some statements to the channel at meeting time, should cover it <wrst> cyberanger: this is pretty good: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/the-first-20-years-of-linux-video/ <cyberanger> but for that I need xorg ;-) <cyberanger> man, I've been using longer than him then <cyberanger> shoot, that did not come out right, makes me sound like an addict <cyberanger> *using linux* <wrst> well you are addicted to Linux cyberanger <cyberanger> good point <wrst> and aren't we all :) <orias> did chris ever get his home decrypted and restored? <cyberanger> orias: he's usually in here, not been since, not a good sign <cyberanger> but the details are unclear, I wonder if he can even <cyberanger> I mean, I fear it's corrupt <orias> ruh roh <cyberanger> orias: yeah <orias> thopter> orias, About to copy 9223 PBytes from /dev/zero to /dev/sdb <orias> 0.0 <cyberanger> lol <chris4585> cyberanger, I think I'm getting a bit closer <chris4585> my original system with all the encrypted data I'm able to boot without a kernel panic now :] <wrst> chris4585: that's good <cyberanger> w00t <chris4585> cyberanger, when I try to login now I get an error message: Unable to allocate crypto cipher with name [ecb(aes)]: rc = [-2] Error attempting to initialize key TFM cipher with name = [aes[: rc = [-2] Error attempting to initialize .... mount: Invalid argument <chris4585> I believe I have to update the ecryptfs-utils package to whatever natty is using... <cyberanger> sounds likely <cyberanger> a possibility * chris4585 gets out a ethernet cable <chris4585> cyberanger, whats a command that will tell me what local IP I'm using? <chris4585> 192.168.x.x etc.. <cyberanger> ifconfig <chris4585> thanks <cyberanger> ifconfig | grep inet\ addr <chris4585> I'm not sure why I couldn't remember that <cyberanger> rare usage for you perhaps <chris4585> strange, I had to reinstall ssh <chris4585> yeah I don't use it too often <chris4585> I seem to have fixed my system enough to where I can login to it from a tty, but gdm doesn't even show the users <cyberanger> real odd <chris4585> bbiab <cyberanger> hello brandonn <brandonn> hey <brandonn> whats up cyberanger? <brandonn> u ever go around and cuss ppl out? <brandonn> :D <cyberanger> brandonn: no, not really <cyberanger> my end is good, hope yours are better <wrst> wow cyberanger what was that? #ubuntu-us-tn 2011-04-08 <cyberanger> wrst: what was what <cyberanger> brandonn? <cyberanger> no clue <cyberanger> rough day <wrst> ha ha ok... strange question * cyberanger has his demons, and knows actions speak louder than words, if I'm that pissed (long long time ago I had that rage) skip cussing, just knock some teeth loose <cyberanger> I can't think of knowing a brandon that well, memphis ip too <wrst> cyberanger: http://+1-226-633-4109/gnome3quassel.png <cyberanger> so I must presume trying to blow off steam, and not at the source of it (lest the pot continue to boil over) <wrst> yes blowing steam is a good thing, i think you will love as in hate that screenshot :) <cyberanger> there's a saying, he who seeks revenge must dig two graves <cyberanger> and at wildneress school, I knew somebody who took that to heart <cyberanger> dug and dug and dug <wrst> oh my <cyberanger> never acted out his revenge (and it wasn't a literal grave) and it settled his rage <cyberanger> it took him time todo, time that cleared his head <cyberanger> it was something to admire really, his actions really showed he knew anger wasn't something to have <cyberanger> wrst: not bad, can you do that from a terminal, or android (reliably <cyberanger> that is) <cyberanger> THIS IS AN AUTOMATED MSG: TEST <cyberanger> THIS IS AN AUTOMATED MSG: Meeting in one hour <orias> wb <chris4585> thanks <wrst> but its pretty cyberanger <cyberanger> must run <cyberanger> wrst: pretty with a tradeoff though <cyberanger> that script should kick in in 45 minutes, as will the meeting <cyberanger> agenda is release parties (memphis has one may 7th, still in planning) <cyberanger> a thanks for our new webhost <cyberanger> and I have a progress report on an installfest box, which I'll have to postpone <cyberanger> sorry, didn't make it to the wiki yet, mailman should be fixed <cyberanger> but not tested <cyberanger> see you all shortly <cyberanger> THIS IS AN AUTOMATED MSG: Meeting in 15 minutes <cyberanger> THIS IS AN AUTOMATED MSG: Meeting time <cyberanger> that one was off, hrm <cyberanger> must have been a 10 minute warning, goofed on the message <cyberanger> thanks to the G2, I might catch a little <cyberanger> time to go for the moment <cyberanger> THIS IS AN AUTOMATED MSG: Meeting time <cyberanger> guess nobody's here to start it <cyberanger> anyone can <cyberanger> g2g again <wrst> cyberanger: i think its just me... no use starting it for just one i don't think :) <cyberanger> wrst: sounds that way, no pace, no jfenn2199 <cyberanger> shame <cyberanger> wrst: the bot worked nicely though <cyberanger> I think I'm gonna code it differently for version 2 <chris4585> I was here just nothing I have to really contribute <cyberanger> one that can listen more, have it annoy into a meeting until a command is issued or it hears mootbot <cyberanger> chris4585: well, ok, I do understand <cyberanger> flordia and all <cyberanger> I have to have one this month <cyberanger> reschudle then <cyberanger> dunno why no leader showed besides net, and he resigned <orias> :) <wrst> yes cyberanger the bot was great how did you do that? <robertzaccour> am i late for the meeting? <wrst> a little robertzaccour :) but it is rescheduled <robertzaccour> thats not what the description says <robertzaccour> when is it? <wrst> don't know sometime this month cyberanger will announce it <robertzaccour> oh ok <robertzaccour> description needs updated haha <wrst> but robertzaccour at least you came <robertzaccour> yeah :) <cyberanger> robertzaccour: today 2 and a half hours ago <cyberanger> due to nobody but wrst here (idk why, I had my birthday dinner with family, another member had a family member event too, aside from that idk) <wrst> cyberanger: i finally make it to a meeting and no one shows, that may be a sign :) <robertzaccour> cyberanger, oh i see. im at work now on android <cyberanger> so I will have to reschedule it due to that, perhaps next week, same time <cyberanger> robertzaccour: yeah, I aim to be off on time for it, sometimes I'm late, rare I outright miss it <cyberanger> and rarer it's planned like tonight <cyberanger> wrst: you've been to so many meetings, you and others just have time issues, can't arrive on time (hence the half hour delay, now our new meeting time) gotta leave early <cyberanger> odd to have that happen, but no time is perfect <brandonn> hrmm <brandonn> i didn't even know that there was a meeting today :P i guess i should take a look at that stuff <cyberanger> yeah, 1st thurs. each month <brandonn> aight, so what does everyone talk about at those things? <cyberanger> and this month we'll have another next week <cyberanger> varies <brandonn> errrm <brandonn> aight <cyberanger> usually planning upcomming events <brandonn> what kind of events ? <cyberanger> install fests, release parties <cyberanger> and such <brandonn> that sounds coo lolz <brandonn> well im sleepy, so ill be back on tomorrow. <cyberanger> see you then <brandonn> aight.. later <chris4585> ping <cyberanger> cyberanger: pong <cyberanger> chris4585: pong <chris4585> cyberanger, ah thanks, sometimes its really hard to tell if I'm really connected with my internet.. <cyberanger> chris4585: no sweat <Xpistos> okay I am actually here today <wrst> wow Xpistos! <orias> o/ <Xpistos> my laptop monitor died on me <Xpistos> at least I think it did <orias> 0.o <orias> video out still work? <Xpistos> yes <Xpistos> and when I turn on the box, the Splash screen is lit for a second like the LED backlght is out but I am now sure what I need <orias> well that sucks... sorry <Xpistos> I am tyring to buy another one so I have parts <Xpistos> inspiron 1405 <chris4585> Xpistos, ouch I have a 1420n <cyberanger> yikes <Xpistos> get this. <Xpistos> after 3 days with no back led <Xpistos> all of a sudden the led is working again <Xpistos> I shut down and it is still up after I restarted? <cyberanger> hrm <Xpistos> how can I see my partitions and how big I have them <Xpistos> brain fart <Xpistos> and what i labeled them? <chris4585> Xpistos, I use gparted <Xpistos> oh yea <chris4585> you will probably have to install it <chris4585> gparted <3 <Xpistos> duh <Xpistos> of course I forgot to label these when I installed, but that is okay I remmber what they are from size now too <Xpistos> thanks chris4585 <Xpistos> BRAINFARTED! <chris4585> np <Xpistos> and what is a good rule of thumb for swap anybody <Xpistos> I have 4gb installed and currently have my swap at 2gb <chris4585> eh 2gbs <chris4585> or at least the same amount of ram <Xpistos> So bump it up to 4 gibs? <Xpistos> or 2 is good <chris4585> 2gb is really fine, unless you have a complete freeze <Xpistos> nope <chris4585> ubuntu's installer always does 2x the size of ram I believe though <Xpistos> I custom <Xpistos> put boot alone <Xpistos> put / alone <Xpistos> put home alone <Xpistos> and then use a /data part for my stuff <cyberanger> Xpistos: another command for that is df (I use 'df -h' simplifies things a bit) <Xpistos> gotcha <Xpistos> wow ubuntu ultimate has a lot of crap in it <cyberanger> Xpistos: the old swap rule was double your ram, but I think that's kinda gone out the door lately, due to ram getting above most linux users needs <Xpistos> I don't mean bad crap <Xpistos> I just mean alot of stuf <cyberanger> I still follow that due to hard disc sizes also growing at the same rate, and it doesn't hurt <cyberanger> chris4585: as a rule of thumb, that's what ubuntu did do, on avg. <cyberanger> Xpistos: ubuntu ultimate? <Xpistos> http://ultimateedition.info/ <cyberanger> chris4585: I've seen it do some other things too, but they were rare in comparison (and I've not used automated for awhile, prefering to keep /boot a little closer and encrypt the rest) <Xpistos> 2.8 is based on 10.10 <cyberanger> Xpistos: I see, intresting <cyberanger> something I do myself though <Xpistos> well i will only have it til the end of the month so <chris4585> cyberanger, well... when I installed ubuntu on my desktop last time it decided to give me 11gbs of ram <chris4585> thats a little redonkulous <chris4585> forgot to mention my desktop has 4gbs of ram <cyberanger> 11GB of swap? <chris4585> yep.. <cyberanger> yeah, that might be a step beyond reason <chris4585> I'm not sure if this is normal or not, but I'm using my desktop with the default video drivers, and things seem to be smoother than with the nvidia drivers <cyberanger> depends on the card, the driver, settings <cyberanger> but it can indeed be normal <wrst> chris4585: on ati i have better performance with the open drivers <wrst> on my laptop <cyberanger> same logic <wrst> cyberanger: i didn't realize that until ati dropped support of my card and low and behold the open source one was better <cyberanger> brb <cyberanger> back <cyberanger> wrst: yeah it's a card and driver thing <wrst> yes and varies much by card <cyberanger> usually they code for a reference design out of 5 models and such <wrst> really
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