#edubuntu 2006-03-01 <Burglaptop> ogra: in case -devel scrolls by, http://openuserful.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Patches <jsgotangco> openuserful <jsgotangco> :) <Burglaptop> jsgotangco: my company is trying <Burglaptop> I am trying to get them to push their patches upstream * mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ * mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ <highvoltage> ping #edubuntu <nommo> hello all - anyone here got any experience with running moodle on edubuntu? <lucasvo> ogra: do you have problems with keyboard as well? <lucasvo> it is totally broken on my dapper <lucasvo> it's the first time I regret to have updated to dapper <lucasvo> I have a CH layout except where the umlauts are, are the [ <lucasvo> {[": and so on <iloadmin> ls <iloadmin> hello <iloadmin> I have a problem with tuxtype <iloadmin> it is running choopy <iloadmin> choppy <iloadmin> hello <iloadmin> I was told to compress the netwokr <iloadmin> in order for tuxtype to work <iloadmin> hello <signifer123> good day <chms> does edubuntu only configure LTSP if the address block is 192.168.0.xx? (I just installed with (502)257-5948 and it doesnt seem to be working) <ogra> chms, did you read the install notes ? (see channel topic) <chms> yes <ogra> and did you follow the server stuff for setting it up ? <chms> it wasnt really clear if they were refering to the specific block 192.168.0.xx or just a private unroutable block <chms> I can setup ltsp manually. I was hoping edubuntu would save me a step :) <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPServerSetup <chms> I've seen that <ogra> i cant save you this step ... <ogra> but ... <ogra> i will make htis step easier in the future ;) <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/ <chms> for edubuntu specifically or ubuntu generally? <ogra> thats a ubuntu generally thing ... but will be preinstalled in edubuntu <chms> I see <chms> it isnt that difficult, but it is easier to hand off to subordinates if it is automatic :) <ogra> since ubuntu doesnt bring ltsp set up by default ... <ogra> yup <ogra> but getting a dhcp conf autogeneration right takes some time that i currently dont have ... <chms> sure <ogra> there were more basic things missing in our ltsp ... <ogra> so in dapper its only lots of improvements in the base that we had with breezy ... dapper+1 will see all the shiny new stuff ;) <chms> october <ogra> yup <chms> not that far off <ogra> and dapper already improves a lot :) <chms> I switched to ubuntu from debian because of the release schedule <chms> debian is taking 'thorough' to a new level :) <ogra> its great from a user POV... can get pretty hard from a developer POV :) <chms> I'm developing hotel apps (moving them to ubuntu) <chms> I'm happy with it. <ogra> cool :) <chms> current deployment is rhel (centos) with devel on debian (and now ubuntu) <chms> ok, thanks alot. I'm back to work. <ogra> ciao <chms> bye #edubuntu 2006-03-02 <mikebot> is anyone here not idle? <signifer123> jeeez upgrading ot dapper tkaes alot of packages <signifer123> and removes alot too... <signifer123> but main downlaod 452 megs :-p <_killah> hello <C-O-L-T> helllo <C-O-L-T> anybody here <C-O-L-T> ? #edubuntu 2006-03-03 * mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ <Tekeo> anyone here got the possability to answer a few questions? <Tekeo> well... <Tekeo> is it possible to integrate the desktop computers with edubuntu to storages (user specified) of the windows network? <Tekeo> *on <Tekeo> pleait would be really nice with answers plz <Vego> Are you asking if edubuntu can use a Windows server as homedirs for users? <Tekeo> yes <Tekeo> you know user specified storages on the network <Vego> I'm not too famliar with Edubuntus setup, but I would guess they use NFS, and not SMB (windows share system) for home directories by default. <spacey> is there a way to globally disable all screensavers except blank screen? <Vego> But it is possible to set up homedirs on samba mounts, i.e. windows shares. <Vego> How you do this, I'm not too familiar, as its ages since I had to do it. <Tekeo> well I want user X to get access to ONLY user X storage on the windows network <Tekeo> so that's possible? <Vego> Tekeo: What you can do is heatherjohnson@example.com. <Vego> But I'd guess someone somewhere has done something similar on Edubuntu. On #Debian-Edu several teachers have to mix linux and windows <Vego> Best bet to find out would be to ask on the mailinglists. <Tekeo> ok <Vego> I myself mount up my university homedirs fra windows servers to my Ubuntu desktop, so yes, it is possible. <Vego> But how to do it smart, and genereically for all users, I don't know. <Vego> fra = from <Tekeo> ok <Tekeo> because the situation is this: there is a computer room which only 1/3 of the schools students should have access to and there are like windows 95/08/xp etc on the computer and still those other 2/3 got access there <Tekeo> *computers <Tekeo> and then ofcource money matters <Tekeo> so a switch to linux would be really nice <Vego> If you are considdering a swtich, you should talk to a local support group or company that supports different GNU/linux solutions. Alternatively, use quite a bit of time to set yourself into GNU/Linux. <Vego> Which is the best, in every case. <Vego> The more you know, the easier it is to make it work seamlessly. <karU> Hello... <karU> hello ogra <karU> Anyone, I wanted to install edubuntu on an older pc today and wanted to know if this would be an appropriate chat room to turn to if I had any probs? <Tekeo> I guess so <karU> thanks, didn't know if this was just for useability q's only. <spacey> can someone enlighten me on the way to add systemwide stuff to the gnome menu? <spacey> just adding the .desktop icons is not enough <spacey> you need to register them somewhere <spacey> but i cannot find where <spacey> at most I found some undocumented scripts which seem to do this <spacey> ogra: ? someone else? * spacey cries in despair <ogra> putting them to /usr/share/applications should suffice <spacey> doesn't work <spacey> update-desktop-database --help <spacey> is not really helpful <ogra> then the contents of the .desktop file might be wrong <spacey> I created the .desktop files with the menu editor <ogra> it works to copy them there without running update-desktop-database <spacey> and they work for 1 user <spacey> but even if i copy ~/.local to another user <spacey> it doesn't work <ogra> look into th efile <ogra> (paste it anywhere) <spacey> i don't understand how it determines the category in the menu either <spacey> but it works <spacey> somehow <spacey> for that one user <spacey> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9363 <lucasvo> what do you think, is it good publicity for a commercial company to have an oss project? <lucasvo> hm, actually it is the strategy from canonical ;-P <spacey> lucasvo: all depends on how they handle the project i guess;p <ogra> spacey, youre missing category entries ... <spacey> yeah i noticed <spacey> but still a bit wierd <ogra> als dont use spaces in such filenames <ogra> nautilus will show you the name inside the file, no need to make the filename overcomplicated ... <ogra> additionally, dont use paths for icons <spacey> if you want a subdirectory you can just specify Category in a .directory file <spacey> hmm <spacey> just the filename of the icon i see in other .desktop files <ogra> thats wrong ... <ogra> the spac forbids pathnames to make it possible to theme the icons <spacey> ok <spacey> thats nice <ogra> (might not be really important for selfmade custom icons) <spacey> X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=gnome-menus <spacey> that needed? <ogra> thats only for apps in main <spacey> oh ok <ogra> its used by the language pack generator <spacey> its a .directory btw <spacey> ok <ogra> in any case the category entry should let the icon appear magically in your menu :) <ogra> (systemwide) <spacey> yeah but it needs its own category <spacey> to seperate it from the rest <spacey> i'm gonna edit the files a bit <spacey> and try again <spacey> http://users.lichtsnel.nl/~spacey/files/menu/ <spacey> should this work <spacey> ? <spacey> ogra:) <ogra> try it, i never added a toplevel category ... <spacey> doesn't seem to <spacey> ;x <spacey> nope doesn't work <spacey> but it has something to do with the Category stuff <spacey> if i put it in Category Office it shows up <lucasvo> !limewire <spacey> ogra: i guess the toplevel dirs need to be registered somewhere <ogra> /etc/menu-xdg or something ? <ogra> /etc/xdg/menus/ <spacey> yay <spacey> your my personal hero <spacey> ;) <spacey> ogra: it works, thanks <spacey> ogra: today we switched 15 pc's to edubuntu thinclients. and we will get feedback next week. after that we'll switch the rest of the 50 to be clients <ogra> yay \o/ <littlepaul> spacey, would you like to write a story about this? <spacey> littlepaul: for what?:) <littlepaul> for fridge :) <spacey> sur <spacey> e <spacey> i will blog about it as well <spacey> but i can write something for the fridge as well <littlepaul> great, thx. I am very interested <spacey> littlepaul: ofcourse when its finished <littlepaul> sure <spacey> every thinclient has autologin :) <littlepaul> nice #edubuntu 2006-03-04 <mikebot> hello, is anyone not idle? * Burglaptop idles <Burglaptop> what do you need mikebot? <mikebot> i have a few questions <mikebot> hi <Burglaptop> shoot <mikebot> okay, well first what is the difference bewteen edubuntu and ubuntu? <Burglaptop> edubuntu is a sister project to ubuntu, designed for education settings <Burglaptop> it includes a number of educational apps by default, as well as LTSP <mikebot> what apps and what is ltsp? <Burglaptop> LTSP is the Linux Terminal Server Project <Burglaptop> it is a thin client system <mikebot> okau <mikebot> y <mikebot> right now i use windows with like open office, and aim and stuff <mikebot> those aren't compatible with linux, right? <Burglaptop> edubuntu also includes all the software that Ubuntu ships as well <Burglaptop> such as OpenOffice, Firefox and Gaim <mikebot> oh okay <Burglaptop> as for specific applications, the main ones are the kde education suite and gcompris <mikebot> i don't know what those are <Burglaptop> http://gcompris.net/ <Burglaptop> http://edu.kde.org/ <mikebot> okay thanks <mikebot> and would you recommend this over like red hat or xandros? <Burglaptop> hey np <Burglaptop> it honestly depends on what you are doing with it <Burglaptop> part of the goal of edubuntu is the ability for a teacher to fairly quickly and easily set up an entire classroom <mikebot> i just want to run linux, i don't play gaims, i just browse the itnernet, and do school work (writing and excel) <mikebot> games* <mikebot> i use gaim is why i typed that <Burglaptop> if you just want to run Linux, I would just use Ubuntu <mikebot> and i'm looking for an easy, stable linux desktop <mikebot> okay <Burglaptop> edubuntu and ubuntu share much of the same code and packages <mikebot> i wasn't interested in one over the other, i didn't know the differences <mikebot> but you would recommend ubuntu over xandros <mikebot> for just typing, internet, stuff <Burglaptop> absolutely <Burglaptop> ubuntu is free (in the beer sense) and will always be <mikebot> how come? <mikebot> xandros isn't? <Burglaptop> xandros is not free and most of the pieces of xandros are not oss <mikebot> oss? <Burglaptop> not saying that Xandros is a bad distro, just that it is probably better suited to business use <crimsun> mikebot: Ubuntu has the advantage of targeting a novice's desktop experience from the get-go. <Burglaptop> Open Source Software <mikebot> oh <mikebot> ah <mikebot> but will all my applications be incompatible? <mikebot> like i use macromedia flash sometimes <mikebot> and watch movies <Burglaptop> my suggestion would be to pull down the ubuntu live cd and try it <Burglaptop> it will run Ubuntu entirely within ram <crimsun> no, the Flash plugin is available and works under Firefox just fine (as well as under Konqueror, which is Kubuntu's [KDE] browser) <Burglaptop> http://www.ubuntu.com/download <mikebot> oh no, i mean like i createn things in flash <mikebot> where is ubuntu live? <mikebot> ah thanks <mikebot> what is kde? <crimsun> KDE is another environment, like GNOME. Kubuntu is the KDE project using the Ubuntu base. <mikebot> haha i don't know what kde or gnome is <mikebot> (i don't know much about computers) <Burglaptop> mikebot: don't worry about it <crimsun> that's fine, you shouldn't need to care what KDE or GNOME are <Burglaptop> crimsun: don't confuse the man <mikebot> i can run this iso on a virtual drive, right, since it is just going to use ram? <mikebot> haha <mikebot> no, but iw ant to learn about this stuff <mikebot> that's why iw ant to switch out of windows <Burglaptop> just burn with iso and then restart your computer <Burglaptop> make certain your bios is set to boot from the cd <mikebot> i don't have any blank cds <mikebot> okay <mikebot> are you guys using ubuntu right now? <Burglaptop> yes <crimsun> you can also try the VMware Player image <mikebot> crimsun: what is that? <crimsun> mikebot: http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/vm/ <mikebot> i have a program that creates a virtual drive <mikebot> but if it requires a restart then it wont work <crimsun> right, if you want to try a Ubuntu live cd, then you need to reboot <mikebot> ah okay <crimsun> if you don't want to reboot out of Windows, then try the VMWare Player Ubuntu image (see the above URL) <mikebot> okay <mikebot> i'm downloading it <mikebot> okay now i also have <mikebot> two harddrives <mikebot> and i don't mind formatting the one windows is on <mikebot> but will my data be okay on the other? <Burglaptop> yes, as long as you are careful with the installer <mikebot> hehe okay <mikebot> are there a lot of open source programs that are compatible with ubuntu? <Burglaptop> yes <mikebot> okay <mikebot> wel thanks for your help guys <crimsun> np <Burglaptop> np <dinda> join #ubuntuwomen <mikebot> how can i browse open source programs compatible with ubuntu? <Burglaptop> mikebot: on the applications menu, see the Add/Remove icon <mikebot> oh no <mikebot> it's still downloading <mikebot> i was wodnering if there was like a webpage or soemthing <Burglaptop> mikebot: currently not an easy one to parse <mikebot> okay <mikebot> thanks <tideline> hi all, quick network related question - my laptop is having trouble finding its wireless card - it is visible in device manager, but not in network settings and there is no +add button to add it, is there a way to add it? <Burglaptop> tideline: please ask in #ubuntu <tideline> even though I am using edubuntu? <Burglaptop> tideline: that part of edubuntu is the same as Ubuntu <tideline> ok then <tideline> thanks <Burglaptop> tideline: np <Burglaptop> tideline: i suspect you have a card that might require ndiswrapper * mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ <RailerJim> couple quick questions, how is unbuntu at spotting wifi pci cards? and how old should you to use edubuntu? my 18 month old wants a computer, <Burglaptop> RailerJim: ubuntu isn <Burglaptop> RailerJim: isn't bad at wireless cards. As for age, edubuntu works will with up to about 10 <RailerJim> ok <Burglaptop> RailerJim: for help with wireless, #ubuntu will be able to help you, as the tools for it and edubuntu are the same <RailerJim> how is it with random mouse strokes, and banging the living hell out of the keyboard? <Burglaptop> RailerJim: there is no specific program to handle that and you might get unexpected results <RailerJim> beauty found the wifi automatically and the network <RailerJim> ok one lst question for you guys, why is it in the last year to 18 months, people want to use linux based os's have jumped IMO 30% to 50%? <Burglaptop> because Linux is getting more and more mainstream press <Burglaptop> plus the desktop stuff is maturing <Burglaptop> there is a great convergence happening of Linux being ready on the desktop and people getting pissed off their current solution <RailerJim> quality GUI I know is a certainly one reason, security I think is another <RailerJim> I just to be able to use www.uptoten.com on here <RailerJim> anyone know why I cant use a flash form? <Burglaptop> RailerJim: are the fonts displaying <RailerJim> no <JaneW> JaneW silly Q... if someone d/ls the LiveCD, would they need to burn it to CD in order to run it as a LiveCD? <JaneW> JaneW I am thinking yes.. <Burglaptop> JaneW: they can use qemu <JaneW> Burglaptop: er... huh? <JaneW> Burglaptop: hello, btw, ltns <Burglaptop> JaneW: ltns? <Burglaptop> JaneW: qemu is an emulator http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ <JaneW> Burglaptop: Long Time No See <JaneW> oic <Burglaptop> JaneW: indeed <JaneW> Burglaptop: but otherwise you wouls=d need to burn it right? <Burglaptop> yes <Burglaptop> btw, I should have hte money to go to next conference, whereever it might by <Burglaptop> bloody people and their bloody white and black ball <JaneW> Burglaptop: it will be in Germany <JaneW> Weisbaden, just after LinuxTag <Burglaptop> JaneW: Frankfurt is a cheap place to fly into, that is nice <JaneW> Burglaptop: good <JaneW> Burglaptop: leem fnd hotel link for you... <Burglaptop> owww, 19 hours return <JaneW> http://www.achat-hotels.de/wDeutsch/02_hotels/Uebersicht_Hotels/26_Uebersicht.php <JaneW> Burglaptop: that one is for Distro team and is basically refined into a sepc writting sprint <Burglaptop> so the format will be similar to UBZ? <JaneW> there's another event planned for June/July in Barcelona to be more of a Ubuntu World Conference <Burglaptop> ah <Burglaptop> I will be able to go to one, but which one? <Burglaptop> the world conference will be less technical, no? <JaneW> Burglaptop: well do you want to 'spread the love' or 'talk about specs'? ;) <Burglaptop> but I want to do both... <JaneW> heh <JaneW> well Barcelona will be " It will be keynotes, talks, panel <JaneW> discussions and not BOFs and specs. " <JaneW> while Weisbaden is our plan the next distro Pow-Wow <Burglaptop> wonder if I can get funding to the second <JaneW> so basically BOFs and specs <Burglaptop> by July I should have an organization up and running in Victoria to install Ubuntu on donated old hardware <JaneW> Burglaptop: if you get on as a speaker or something possibly * Burglaptop plots <JaneW> Burglaptop: get holod of jdub, he is scouting for speakers atm... <JaneW> sorry awful typing today <JaneW> in fact atm I am unavailable for Barcelona - still waiting to see if it compulsary attendance for me. If not you can tout Edubuntu with ogra ;) <Burglaptop> or I coudl talk about getting involved from a non-coding standpoint <Burglaptop> ok, emailed jdub <Burglaptop> JaneW: how goes work? <JaneW> Burglaptop: busy, but prety good <JaneW> our Dapper Status Report is looking nice and green <Burglaptop> I noticed that <Burglaptop> next cycle I want to put a major marketing spin on how open our development process is <Burglaptop> JaneW: how does it work, working with mdz, who is basically on a different schedule that really only meets right now <JaneW> Burglaptop: we over lap later in the day too <JaneW> Burglaptop: plus we e-mail back and forth <JaneW> Burglaptop: I cahse a lot of info which I feed through to him and then he does what he needs to with it <JaneW> it did take a while to figure it out though ;) <Burglaptop> yes, I can imagine <Burglaptop> userful finds it hard enough to communicate between two offices <JaneW> heh <Burglaptop> but we have our own issue <Burglaptop> issues, even * jsgotangco peeks <jsgotangco> spain and germany? oh wow <jsgotangco> JaneW, if you got time, review https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuQuickguide i'm uploading a few more text at the moment <JaneW> jsgotangco: ok will do * Burglaptop hugs jsgotangco <Burglaptop> that is exactly what we need <jsgotangco> arggh and i was hoping for a cookie for that <Burglaptop> ok, that was odd <Burglaptop> my machine locked up hard and then rebooted itself <Burglaptop> jsgotangco: ping (testing my connection) <Yagisan> ogra - you here ? <ogra> Yagisan, yup <Yagisan> any easy way to split up our ltsp ? I'm redoing my network and I want to push dhcp, and nfs off to another box, and keep the amd64 running the apps. <ogra> not easier or harder than with classic ltsp ... <Yagisan> ogra, no idea ? <Yagisan> hmm, this will be fun ... <ogra> its mainly only editing the dhcpd.conf and getting the servers up on the other machine ... <Yagisan> ogra - have you used either xen or uml ? I'm looking to pick one of the two for server consolidation <ogra> nope <Yagisan> hmm - it seems xen may be a better choice, but there doesn't seem to be an ubuntu package <ogra> nope, and there wont be <Yagisan> not even after the debian teams merge ? <ogra> debian teams merge ? <Yagisan> kernel, and xen teams on d-d <ogra> that doesnt say anything about upstream inclusion ... <ogra> ubuntu will only include stuff in the kernel thats also considered upstream ... <jsgotangco> hmm <jsgotangco> ogra: i'f i'm going to netinstall edubuntu, i'll need netboot.tar.gz, expand it and just dump the iso in the tftp server did i get that right? <ogra> there is no netinstall for edubuntu <ogra> you need to install ubuntu and do the edubuntu stuff manually <jsgotangco> hmm <jsgotangco> but in ubuntu that's the method right? <jsgotangco> (d-i manual is rather terse) <ogra> there is a manual one directory up from the image ... <michel> hi all in nearly one month i go to africa to install ltsp edubuntu, i would like to have some help if something is going wrong, any idea how to manage it? <ogra> michel, if you have online access there, we are always available in this channel ... <michel> ok thanks <jsgotangco> ogra: i still dont get it really :/ <ogra> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/installer-i386/20050317ubuntu19/doc/manual/en/ <ogra> has instructions ... <jsgotangco> ogra: i'm sorry for being persistent but that's the same manual that i currently have and it doesn't say anything about where i dump the iso, i perfectly understand the purpose of netboot.tar.gz i'm missing something i guess thanks anyway <jsgotangco> iso or whatever <michel> i don't know how the connection is, but it is bad may be it is better wth mail, i am allready in the mailinglist ltsp, or any else? <ogra> michel, https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel <ogra> for edubuntu specific questions ... <ogra> jsgotangco, look at the TFTP parts in that doc <michel> ogra: i subscribe thanks <ogra> :) <knight> hello <knight> anyone here <knight> I want to make a game run smooth and it is not working for me <knight> It runs ok in the server but in the thin client it is choopy <knight> choppy <knight> any help <knight> hello anyone here <nate__> hello <nate__> anyone at all <knight> I am here <knight> But I need answers too <knight> how can I help upi <knight> how can I help you <eric__> Hi, does anyone is familiar with the error ''FATAL: Module slamr not found'' while installing slmodem-2.6.12-9-386 on Ubuntu? <eric__> or where I can get the information about it? <pawsilver> how do i get Open GL to work on a laptop (Compaq nx5000) <spacey> ogra: http://users.lichtsnel.nl/~spacey/?p=172 <Burgwork> spacey, cool <spacey> :) <ogra> spacey, yay <ogra> :))) <spacey> ofcourse i'll blog about updates regarding end user experiences <spacey> feel free to leave comments ;p <spacey> my poor lonely blog #edubuntu 2006-03-05 <morphineinduced> hey is there a forum for this distro..... or do they only help in the irc <gctaylor> Anybody in here? <gctaylor> Can anyone tell me how to force a ltsp client to use a specific resolution? What I want is not listed in the dropdown. <gctaylor> Editing /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg.conf doesn't seem to help. I see checksum or timestamp errors when the client is booting. <blt4mud> has anyone got edubuntu runing on laptop using wireless? <TOZTWO> Is there any software in edubuntu that teaches people to read? <JaneW> hi all <JaneW> ogra <Burglaptop> salut JaneW <JaneW> hi Burglaptop <JaneW> Burglaptop: I was caned yesterday for leaking info to you! ;) <Burglaptop> JaneW: I see. By whom? <Burglaptop> I don't intend to blog about it, if that is a concern <JaneW> Burglaptop: by jdub - so it was kinda fun... <Burglaptop> what did he say? <JaneW> yes said he heard I had been leaking out info of the UWC <JaneW> I told him our e-mail didn't say it was confidential so there :P <Burglaptop> well I did email jdub and ask him straight up for sponsorship to Barcelona <Burglaptop> I figured that I should go big or go home <Burglaptop> JaneW: bon nuit <Burglaptop> bonne nuit, even <JaneW> night :) * Burglaptop is losing his French, piece by piece <spacey> whats Burgworks name again? <spacey> can't associate the nickname <jsgotangco> Corey Burger <spacey> aaaah <spacey> doh <spacey> i that then his nick was burgundia or something <spacey> i guess this is the short version <jsgotangco> its probably his computer at work <JaneW> spacey: it was Burgundavia (Or something like that) <spacey> yeh <spacey> too difficult <JaneW> guys we have a national public holidat tomorrow, for our Municipal Elections <JaneW> holiday even <spacey> thats nice <spacey> :) <JaneW> can someone else volunteer to run the weekly meeting? <JaneW> I am voting, to hopefully improve on our municupal services, like POWER! <spacey> :D <spacey> long waiting line? <spacey> agenda is already there? <jsgotangco> i can do it <jsgotangco> usual edubuntu meetings are just 8pm on my side <spacey> hmm <spacey> how can i block certain users of using X <spacey> read thinclient <m1ckeyknox> good morning folks! <m1ckeyknox> could anybody say if the i386 download on edubuntu.org is a live cd or an installation? <ogra> m1ckeyknox, the breezy version only has a install iso <m1ckeyknox> is there a live cd available someplace? <ogra> for dapper (the april release) there is a liveCd ... but its still in development ... <m1ckeyknox> I see. so... in a few more months you think? <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-4/ <ogra> if you want to test it :) <ogra> note that the liveCD innstaller on this CD is in its early stages ... <m1ckeyknox> myself... I'd love to... but I was hoping to be able to give the cd to my wife to have her try with a 5 yr old that she is watching for a friend. <m1ckeyknox> We have a 3mo old son... and I'm looking forward to software like this progressing <m1ckeyknox> figured we could use somebody else's kid as a guniea pig! <m1ckeyknox> ;-) <zakame> evening Edubunteros! :D <ogra> heh <ogra> hey zakame <zakame> hello ogra! :-) <JaneW> spacey: nice lab :)) <spacey> thanks:) <spacey> well actually its the whole school <spacey> lab itself its quite small <spacey> there are pc's in every classroom <JaneW> nice :) <JaneW> what ages are the children? <bobulator> does anyone know how i can copy my whole home directory and keep the ownership and permissons in tact? <m1ckeyknox> alright folks... I think I'm gonna stop idling in here... be back some other time. ;-) <bobulator> rarggh, and can smeone please tell me how i can set the max resolution for thin clients? i just cant remeber what file it is... <ogra> set HORIZ_SYNC and VERT_REFRESH in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf <bobulator> ta! <ogra> see the exact params here: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLtsConfParams <bobulator> sorry, i meant bit depth <bobulator> ah thanks! <ogra> color depth is only implemented in dapper ... <bobulator> yeha im on dapper <knight> you on dapper <knight> cool <knight> question <knight> I have a thin client running tuxtype <knight> but it runs choppy <knight> I was told to compress the network connection but I still have a problem <bobulator> hmm, im sure you got me to set the bit depth before. because laods of these graphics cards dont support 24 bit... <bobulator> i definately edited some file that put it down to 8 bit :p <knight> ok how do I do that <bobulator> haha hang on, you need ogra not me <knight> ok <knight> thanks bobulator <knight> listen how is the experience on dapper <bobulator> i like it <TOZTWO> Is there any software in edubuntu that teaches people to read? <ogra_> gcompris ? <knight> now <knight> how doo I make tuxtype work smoothly in a thin client <stendhal> hello <stendhal> you use edubuntu lol ? <ogra_> why lol ? <knight> yes <knight> I am using edubuntu * TOZTWO uses edubuntu <knight> the version for the tuxtype software is 1.0 <knight> Hello <knight> any helo <knight> help with the choppy graphics for tuxtype <TOZTWO> I think that tuxtypes choppiness comes from too much network traffic...... <TOZTWO> But I've been told that I was wrong about that.... <knight> ok <knight> so <TOZTWO> If tuxtype has music, try turning it off. <knight> no music at all <knight> no sound on thin clients <TOZTWO> I thought that tuxtype might be a good candidate for localapps, because of all the keyboard events, timimg, and screen updates. <ogra_> its also very cpu intensive ... <knight> ok <knight> I have 512 ram in the client <knight> and 400 mhz pentium II processor <ogra_> that should be plenty for normal apps, i'm not sure what makes tuxtype so power hungry, but its a fact that it behaves this way ... i'll try to track that for the dapper release <knight> Try??? <TOZTWO> You can always track it yourself. <knight> track it myself?? <TOZTWO> Yup. It's Open Source. I'd track it, but I lack skillz. <singy> hi, doese anyone if there is a reason that there is no edubuntu live? <ogra_> yes, i didnt have time to make more than whats there in breezy, we started very late in the develpment cycle ... <ogra_> this changed for the upcoming release :) <ogra_> here is an alpha release of the upcoming april version of edubuntu, including a live CD <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-4/ <singy> Ah thanks, I think its very important for edubuntu, tu show it in schools ........ <ogra_> yup <juliux> ogra_, evening <ogra_> hey juliux <juliux> ogra_, it is possible that you send ous for the linuxtag in wiesbaden some thinclients so we can show that you can use every kind of thinclient? <ogra> juliux, i'm pretty sure i'll be there anyway :) <juliux> the idea is to have a little lab there on the booth <juliux> cool <juliux> that is great <roy_> Anyone here? <Burgwork> nope, not really <Burgwork> :P <roy_> Could you answer a couple of questions? <roy_> :orga <roy_> :ogra <Burgwork> roy_, sure <roy_> Will sound work on the clients <roy_> And I noticed that only one session of firefox can be opened at one time <roy_> I have a 64bit edubuntu server with the 32bit client installed <roy_> I am using flight 4 <ogra> sound should work if you enable it in the lts.conf file <ogra> just set SOUND=Y or SOUND=True there <roy_> gotcha just like k12ltsp <roy_> There is no lts.conf in the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc directory. Do I create it there based on the /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts.conf <ogra> just create one with the line: <ogra> [default] SOUND=Y <ogra> that should do it <roy_> thanks : ) <roy_> How about the firefox issue? Does it have something to do with my server being 64bit? <ogra> i havent heard about such an issue yet... <ogra> you are using different user accounts and the second one cant start firefox ? <roy_> As I sent it I realized my duh! Exactly I was trying it with the same account I am logged on the server with <ogra> i'll look into that issue (multiple users with same account) for the next release, i want a kiosk mode with optional auto login for october ... <roy_> I have to admit I impressed so far. Very clean. Nice work. <roy_> I just tried the audio and still no luck. Do I tweak the ltsfile like I did in K12? <trev0r> Where can I find more information about TeachersPet? I think I'd like to help develop it <ogra> roy_, there should be no further need for tweaks, it should work out of the box <ogra> trev0r, the initial attempt is in dapper, apt-get source student-control-panel <trev0r> Do you know if they are still using pygtk like the wiki says? <trev0r> (I'm not on a machine where I can check easily right now) <Burgwork> trev0r, the only developer of teacherspet is ogra <ogra> trev0r, yes, its still using pygtk <ogra> i also have a bzr archive of it, if you want to branch <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.1/ <trev0r> Currently I only have a Macintosh install at my home, so I'll test when I'm at school <trev0r> I'll give the source a looking over, though <ogra> oki <ogra> there is a lot disabled code in the current release thats not mature enough yet ... <trev0r> So Teacher's Pet probably won't be ready until Dapper+1? <trev0r> (Is that still the name?) <ogra> nope, student-control-panel is the name, teachers pet is only the spec <trev0r> Oh, ok <ogra> the current version can show logged in users, enables you to view their processes and to log them out ... <trev0r> Ok <ogra> since we doint have any other app thats working with ubuntu ltsp yet, thats how it will go into dapper <ogra> to give you at least the features that are available already <trev0r> I'm not even 100% sure that the Edubuntu install I have is going to work now. I just pressed enter a few times and now that I am looking at InstallNotes wiki page, I think I needed to type workstation besides just hitting <enter> at boot <trev0r> I will see tomorrow morning. I just left the install going and left <ogra> if you want to work on s-c-p, a ltsp environment is quite handy to test your features :) <trev0r> Basically we have a ton of old old computers, just pentium with 64mb of ram and 6gb of disk space <trev0r> Yea, so do I need to install server or workstation on another one now? <trev0r> Because I guess I have a ltsp install going <ogra> if you did the default install, you should just follow the install notes, edit your dhcpd.conf as advised there and then just boot a PXE driven thin client ... <trev0r> I'm not sure what PXE means <ogra> should work out of the box... <ogra> PXE is the network bootprotocol we use by default <ogra> its built in in most newer network cards <trev0r> So the thin clients boot from a server? <ogra> the network card asks for an ip and for a kernel ... the server provides that kernel which then boots the workstation <trev0r> Ok <trev0r> So tomorrow I will do a server install <ogra> during boot the wrokstation mounts the filesystem from the server via the network <trev0r> Probably should have done that first <ogra> the default install is a server install <trev0r> Oh, my terms I messed up, :) <trev0r> So the workstation is the thin client? <ogra> the so called "server" install is sadly inherited from ubuntu, the appropriate name would be "minimal" <ogra> it only installs a bare minimum system that can boot, no software at all <trev0r> Ahh, ok <ogra> the workstation install is for standalone desktops <ogra> and the default install is in fact a classroom ltsp server ... <trev0r> Ok, I am going to need to put another network card in the server then, I think <ogra> and for ltsp you dont need to install anything on the clients ... they netboot <ogra> if you dont have PXE capable network cards, you will need a bootfloppy or CD <trev0r> Well I will just see tomorrow if they are PXE capable :) <trev0r> Possibly, anyways. Installs take forever on these machines <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe <ogra> as i said, you wont need to install anything on them <trev0r> Not even "workstation" mode? <trev0r> Ahh, ok <trev0r> I reread what you said <trev0r> Sorry :) <ogra> workstation mode is for students that use edubuntu at home on a single computer <trev0r> Ok ok ok, gotcha now <trev0r> Right now my server has one network card which is getting internet access from a switch in the room <trev0r> (502)257-5948 is its IP <trev0r> Should I put another network card in it and then plug it into another switch and then run a cord from a switch to each "thin client"? <ogra> thats a possible setup, yes <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiring <ogra> has some examples <trev0r> Cool <trev0r> Yea, the two network card setup is definitely the one I need to get going <trev0r> That is the way all out computer laps are setup now <trev0r> our* <trev0r> The are Windows machines, currently <ogra> if you netboot, you can even leave the old windows on the disks ;) <trev0r> Cool, so I could just walk into a computer lab with a edubuntu server and get the whole lab going pretty quickly then? <ogra> if the clients all have pxe capable network cards, its a no brainer, yes :) <ogra> if not, you have to make bootfloppies/bootCDs for the clients first <ogra> to teach the cards to do network booting :) <trev0r> I guess I just tell the BIOS to boot from the network card, if possible, first? <ogra> yup <ogra> thats normally PXE <trev0r> Neato, this is even easier than I thought it was going to be <trev0r> I guess the clients save files to something like an NFS volume on the server? <ogra> nope <trev0r> Where to then? <ogra> the clients mount their root fs via nfs from the server, start an X server and a login manager ... <ogra> if you log in in that application, they simply do: ssh -X serverip <ogra> which means you work directly on the server ... <ogra> imagine the clients like additional mice keyboards and diaplays to one big computer (the server) where everybody does his work <ogra> *displays <ogra> everything ahppens centralized ... <ogra> *happens <ogra> so you install an app only one time and its available for everyone .... <ogra> you only have to make backups of a single machine etc <trev0r> So the server stores all the files for a thin client, so they can log in from any computer and still get their files? <ogra> make a difference between users and clients :) <ogra> clients are only the keaboard/mouse/monitor device ... <roy_> ogra: The sound works on 2 pcs and not on 2 others. Can I tweak the lts.conf file by adding the mac and then the module perameters? <trev0r> Ok, will s/thin client/user/ <ogra> users log in on the server and have their files stored there ... <ogra> roy_, try it, thats untested yet :) <trev0r> Ok, thats my question :) <trev0r> Do most network cards from ~6-7 years ago have PXE? <trev0r> Possibly newer <trev0r> I think that is when we last replaced them <ogra> might be ... if ou have the networkboot bios option, its likely to be PXE <trev0r> Well I'm not sure if it is there, I just figured it would be <trev0r> I'll be sure to come on tomorrow after I try <ogra> any time you like :) <trev0r> Now I am getting sick at how many machines we have thrown away <ogra> heh <trev0r> Is there a place I can see how well edubuntu runs on older machines? Like other people's experiences? <Burgwork> trev0r, talk to me in six months I should be able to give you a good idea of it <trev0r> I'll try to remember <Burgwork> in a matter of weeks I should be starting to sell Edubuntu and Ubuntu preinstalled recycled computers <ogra> Burgwork, really ? <ogra> WOW <Burgwork> and give away, I might add <Burgwork> something similiar to what whiprush is doing in detroit <ogra> wow <ogra> we'll get a world network for donations :) <roy_> ogra_, I got another one to work I just changed the audio card. Can you direct me to any links on tweaking (tips and tricks) for Edubuntu (LTSP)? <ogra> roy_, not yet, the code isnt even two months old yet :) <ogra> i'm working on the docs for the release though <trev0r> Does anyone know if there is a Linux "learn to type program"? Because if there is a good one then I know we can replace a whole computer lab at my school <roy_> I love bleeding edge. Anything you would be willing to direct me to would be awesome. <Burgwork> trev0r, there are two bundled with edubuntu. One as part of kdeedu and one called TuxType <ogra> roy_, but if you want to learn to know the code, have a look in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client and /usr/sbin/ldm <trev0r> Burgwork: Ok <ogra> i think the kde one is ktype ... <ogra> tuxtype is rather a game ... <Burgwork> trev0r, TuxType is more game like <ogra> heh <roy_> Thanks <Burgwork> http://tuxtype.sourceforge.net/screens/ <roy_> On another subject do you know if Ubuntu (Edubuntu) supports software Raid5 yet? <Burgwork> http://edu.kde.org/ktouch/index.php <ogra> i run it on my personal server <Burgwork> ktouch, not ktype <trev0r> Well the one our keyboarding class uses now is a pretty serious program <ogra> ah, yes ktouch <trev0r> Old, but pretty well designed/written <Burgwork> http://ktouch.sourceforge.net/ <trev0r> I'll check them both out <ogra> software raid1 with lvm on top ... runs like a charm, raid5 shouldnt be any problem as well <trev0r> The main thing is that the teacher needs a way to check progress of all students and give grades easily <roy_> Excellent, thanks <trev0r> Also have settings where the student can repeatedly try to get better grades on "tests" :) <Burgwork> trev0r, I don't either is network aware like that <trev0r> Burgwork: I didn't think they would be, but I was hoping <Burgwork> a nice pygtk typing program that was network aware would be great <ogra> gobby <ogra> :) <trev0r> Perhaps I will work on that and let ogra work on s-c-p <Burgwork> trev0r, ogra is the sole dev for edubuntu <ogra> i'm not sure if gobby has a plugin mechanism, but that would be a perfect gobby plugin <Burgwork> gobby needs to be a plugin to gedit, to be honest <ogra> typing tests networked .... you can directly monitor every change a student does <trev0r> I think I'd like to eventually be a Edubuntu dev, but I have a lot to learn <ogra> Burgwork, that too <trev0r> ogra: My friend is a member of 0x539 dev team :) <ogra> trev0r, thats great to hear, dont hassle to ask if you have questions <Burgwork> upstream turned down gobby for the desktop <ogra> cool <trev0r> Burgwork: I think they initially used gedit as some sort of backend but then decided not to for their own reasons <ogra> Burgwork, we had to drop it too ... <Burgwork> but they liked the idea of libgobby <ogra> upstream added a dependency on howl ... <Burgwork> trev0r, to a non-coder, it seems shortsighted <ogra> the last minute before UVF <trev0r> Burgwork: I'm sure they had good reasons, they are pretty capable developers <Burgwork> trev0r, I am certain they did, but still <Burgwork> I understand the gedit has a much nicer plugin system now, tht might have been it <ogra> Burgwork, gedit needs all of gnome ... that isnt windows compatible yet ... gobby runs on win, osX and linux <Burgwork> ya <Burgwork> to be fair, howl is only an issue for about half the linux distros <trev0r> What is the problem with howl? <ogra> licensing <Burgwork> the apsl is not considered free by debian et al <ogra> we cant put it in main <trev0r> Ahh, ok <trev0r> And Gobby depends on howl? <Burgwork> it can <Burgwork> avahi is an lgpl zeroconf framework, but it is fairly new <trev0r> howl is pretty nifty. I didn't realize it was APSL <ogra> it depends on a howl compatibility laver in avahi ... which will get dropped soon by upstream <Burgwork> trev0r, avahi does the same thing, without the nasty licensing issues <ogra> thats the reason we didnt include it at all in a release we have to support for 3 years <trev0r> I thought ubuntu has 18 months of support? <ogra> +not dapper <ogra> dapper is the first release with 3 year support on the desktop and 5 year support on the server <trev0r> Ahh, ok <trev0r> Thats neat <ogra> every 3rd or fourth release will be like that <Burgwork> hence why it is a great time to be starting to distribute computes with edubuntu and ubuntu one them <ogra> yeah <trev0r> Alright, I will report my experiences tomorrow around this time <trev0r> Bye! <rstory> how much disk space is needed for an edubuntu install? #edubuntu 2006-03-06 <ogra> between 2-3G <rstory> erp! is there an option for something smaller? <ogra> the workstation install is ~300-500MB smaller <ogra> but due to the additional apps, its bigger than a normal ubuntu <paolo_> Hi guys! I have a thin client with 32 MB ram, it gives me out of memory error. Is 32 MB few ram or should I look for another reason? <ogra> 32 is to few <ogra> you should have 64 or more for breezy ... in dapper you can set up a swap server manually but i havent tested below 48MB even with dapper <ogra> but with swap server 32 should be possible <ogra> that will be automated completely in october i hope: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FullyAutomaticSwapServer <paolo_> ok, I'm going to put a 64 MB! thank you! <Burglaptop> ogra: have you heard of elgg? http://elgg.org/about.php <elglas> hello <Burglaptop> salut elglas <elglas> I have a question / network senario regarding edubuntu <Burglaptop> elglas: shoot. I am may not be able to help you <elglas> i'm setting up a test classroom in an enviroment that already uses DHCP via a router out to the internet <Burglaptop> ok <elglas> i'm wondering if I can get away with simply setting only the server for a static ip, and still use LTSP for the client boxes <Burglaptop> I believe so <TOZII> Burglaptop: You are Burgwork too? <Burglaptop> TOZII: yes I am <TOZII> I will be selling edubuntu workstations shortly also. <Burglaptop> ah <elglas> what will you be using for system specs? <Burglaptop> whatever gets donated <Burglaptop> I will have to see what can run it and what can't <TOZII> They will most likely be PIIIs, 300Mhz, 128 mb, 6Gb HDs. <Burglaptop> TOZII: where in the world are you? <TOZII> Texas. <Burglaptop> ah cool <TOZII> Where are you? <Burglaptop> Victoria, BC <Burglaptop> Canada <TOZII> asl? LOLOLOL! <elglas> i've had limited success with pentium II @ 400mhz <elglas> ontario canada <Burglaptop> I used to run warty and hoary on my 600mhz with no problems <TOZII> How much ram in the PII 400? <Burglaptop> that is sort of win98 age, so there are a lot of them being replaced right now <elglas> 512mb :) <TOZII> It ran slow? <elglas> and another box with 256mb <elglas> it takes a little while to load, but otherwise it's fine <TOZII> ah. <TOZII> I have one PII that was given to me, so I was going to give it away for free. <Burglaptop> my laptop here only had 256 when I got it <TOZII> I'll try and set it up tomorrow, and I'll record the specs, and any problems....... <TOZII> We can record performance on different hardwares. <elglas> i've got 4-5 boxes running ubuntu in x86, ppc, and 64bit <TOZII> I think that we should share all of our infos, and post hardware requirements. <elglas> sounds good <Burglaptop> create a wiki page to talk about this * TOZII is off to see the LaunchPad <elglas> hrm <robbies> HI IM A KID AND I WANT TO USE LINUX I HEARD BUNTU IS THE BEST FOR ME HOW DO I USE IT <Adalwulf> Howdy robbies. <Adalwulf> Did you need ubuntu or edubuntu? <Kaiser_Away> and try not to use caps <robbies> UMM I HEARD THIS WAS THE BEST <robbies> FOR KKIDS <Burglaptop> robbies: edubuntu is designed for an educational environment, so yes <Adalwulf> You can find a live CD Image at........ <Adalwulf> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-4/dapper-live-i386.iso <robbies> WHAT DO I DO WITH THAT? <robbies> JUST DOWNLOAD AND INSTALL IT <Adalwulf> You have to download it and burn the image to CD...... <robbies> OH <robbies> IS THAT HARD <robbies> IM NOT GOOD AT THIS <Adalwulf> Because it is a Live CD, you can boot from it without having to install. <Burglaptop> robbies: please stop using caps. It is the same as shouting <robbies> oh sorry <robbies> im new to this thing <Burglaptop> robbies: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto <Burglaptop> robbies: that will tell you have to burn an ISO on Windows, Ubuntu or OS X <Burglaptop> s/have/how <robbies> OK THANKYOU <Burglaptop> robbies: np <robbies> LINUX SI FOR HACKERS AND STUFF RIGHT <Burglaptop> robbies: linux is for everybody <robbies> SOMEBODY SAID ITS FOR LIKE HACKING <Burglaptop> robbies: caps <Burglaptop> and no, they are incorrect, for certain definitions of hacking <robbies> HOW DO YOU HACK ANYWAYS <Burglaptop> robbies: there are two definitions of hacking * Adalwulf hacks Wal-mart Photoparade <Burglaptop> robbies: the first use is the one used the media, which means cracking into computer systems and is illegal <Burglaptop> we cannot and will not help you with that here <Burglaptop> the second use means to produce computer code and is a good term <Burglaptop> robbies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker <Adalwulf> The ESR wrote a hacker How-To, you can find it here: <Adalwulf> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html <_michael_> hello, I'm a 2nd grade teacher using ubuntu/ edubuntu workstations in my classroom, looking into how to enable the ltsp version... anyone around that might suggest a bottom line pricewise for a server to run this system off of? <robbies> http://pbskids.org/cyberchase/ <robbies> I
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