#xubuntu-devel 2011-07-01 <charlie-tca> but it restarted, right? <Unit193> Yep! Everything "works" <charlie-tca> thanks for testing <Unit193> Yep! Anything else I need to do with it? <Unit193> Ah, I need to update doc <charlie-tca> I will search out that ubiquity/gparted installed bug tomorrow <Unit193> I don't need to file/search? <charlie-tca> no, I will find it. I think I have it in a note here someplace <Unit193> How about that? (Goodle Doc) <charlie-tca> It's kind of screwed up bug name <charlie-tca> oh, go ahead and update that one. <Unit193> I did, I'm just asking if you like it <charlie-tca> I like anything that says we did a test :) <Unit193> Alright, boss! <charlie-tca> That's a good writeup <charlie-tca> Thanks <GridCube> :) <GridCube> hello <charlie-tca> Hello, GridCube <GridCube> :) <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: anything on bug 803499 ? <ubottu> Launchpad bug 803499 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu session using wrong settings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/803499 <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: is bug 803519 messing things up for us? <ubottu> Launchpad bug 803519 in apport (Ubuntu) "Use Unity as a registered XDG environment" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/803519 <GridCube> doing today free software alternate test <charlie-tca> It should work <charlie-tca> That one you should follow the qa test case for, though <GridCube> i am <GridCube> :) <GridCube> this sunday is the community meeting? <charlie-tca> yup <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings <GridCube> i will try to assist <Unit193> I don't need to keep the one from yesterday that has ubiquity installed? <charlie-tca> no <charlie-tca> Things change every day or two. If it is still there monday, we need to report a new bug for that <charlie-tca> The old one has been closed out <Unit193> zsync doesn't download as fast as dta... <charlie-tca> That's possible. It depends on your own computer <Unit193> We are moving my sister today so it might be late when/if I do it (I really should still be able to). Same computer downloading <charlie-tca> okay <GridCube> mmm <GridCube> i can't log in :/ <GridCube> oh... nevermind i forgot to put "xubuntu session" <charlie-tca> heh, that makes it fail, doesn't it? <charlie-tca> !info sunbird <ubottu> Package sunbird does not exist in natty <Unit193> That's odd... <charlie-tca> nah, they discontinued it a while back <GridCube> charlie-tca, :D the tests passed, but for the first time i get something weird a "guest user" on the log in options <Unit193> GridCube: I had that yesterday <GridCube> what does it do? #xubuntu-devel 2011-07-02 <GridCube> oh it breaks things up <GridCube> should i report a bug for that? <charlie-tca> no <charlie-tca> Hopefully, it will start working soon <GridCube> ok * GridCube from #xubuntu-es : xubuntu is very polished and cool <Unit193> I got back about midnight, I don't think a test would help at this point :( (And I'm a little dead after helping moving...) <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: I commented on bug 803499, it's also waiting for lightdm (I could also ship this file in xubuntu-default-settings, but it's better if it's in lightdm directly) <ubottu> Launchpad bug 803499 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu session using wrong settings" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/803499 <charlie-tca> Thanks. <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: no, bug 803519 doesn't affect us afaik <ubottu> Launchpad bug 803519 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Use Unity as a registered XDG environment" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/803519 <charlie-tca> Okay, just wanted to make sure. * charlie-tca suspects Unity is making things harder for Xubuntu <mr_pouit> it could affect xfce upstream though <mr_pouit> e.g. if some xfce program uses OnlyShowIn=XFCE;GNOME;, unity folks might want that to be OnlyShowIn=XFCE;GNOME;Unity; <charlie-tca> yeah <charlie-tca> or they might change some of what we had changed, too. Some of the stuff was OnlyShowIn=GNOME and we had to add XFCE to them <jarnos> Would anyone try this by latest development Xubuntu? http://askubuntu.com/questions/51514/internal-display-is-off-is-this-a-bug (note that you might need to change the display ids to match your hardware.) <charlie-tca> What do you mean by try this? Wouldn't a person be required to have matching hardware to know if this works or not>? <jarnos> charlie-tca, I don't know, if you can get the same result by different laptop. xrandr without arguments gives yo <jarnos> u the names of outputs. <charlie-tca> laptop hardware is very specific, normally. Even kernel fixes vary according to the revision of the laptop <mr_pouit> bah, that's an overly complicated script that does nothing really useful <mr_pouit> he should check the randr output when both displays are enabled, and when the external display is off <mr_pouit> maybe some modes are't available then <jarnos> mr_pouit, well I use a different script by which I can change between laptop display, external display and extended desktop. If I changed the modes in certain order in Natty, it faild. Thus the test script. <mr_pouit> compare the output of "xrandr -q --verbose" between each step, and you'll see if a mode disappears or something <jarnos> mr_pouit, both outputs have some current mode then, but laptop display is off. <mr_pouit> try to compare these mods then, maybe the frequency isn't the same when both displays are on, and the screen doesn't like it * jarnos added an important comment to the askubuntu.com page <jarnos> mr_pouit, there is no such difference between the the steps. <jarnos> Adding lines that turn off and on the external display before setting up extended desktop makes the script work. <jarnos> That has to be before "xrandr --output $INT --auto;" at line 10 #xubuntu-devel 2011-07-03 <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel at 22:00 UTC today. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 30 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings * micahg waves to ChanServ <micahg> oops * micahg waves to tcf * micahg waves to charlie-tca * charlie-tca thinks micahg is just waving a lot * micahg isn't happy, we lost indicator support <charlie-tca> How? <micahg> I think the latest round of indicator uploads <charlie-tca> It left the fresh installs a while back, but I thought seb128 said we would have it until 12.04 <micahg> we're going to need it past that... <charlie-tca> The only thing working all week was gtk indicators <charlie-tca> Yeah, any gtk2 support required after oneiric releases will be on us. <charlie-tca> Ubuntu will not support gtk2 in 12.40 <charlie-tca> Ubuntu will not support gtk2 in 12.04 <micahg> that's fine, but it will still be in universe <micahg> and we can always upload a gtk2 indicator stack to universe if we want them <charlie-tca> right <TheSheep> I didn't like the indicator plugin anyways <charlie-tca> TheSheep: +1 <TheSheep> it messed up my systray <TheSheep> in magical ways <charlie-tca> but it is the only way to get network manager to show in the panel now <TheSheep> it shows fine for me <TheSheep> once I uninstalled all the indicator crap <micahg> did he kill non-inidicator support for that, I should ask tomorrow <TheSheep> required relogging though <charlie-tca> in oneiric? <TheSheep> hmm, good question * TheSheep checks <TheSheep> ah, no, still 11.04 <TheSheep> so you say it won't work in oneiric? <charlie-tca> yup <TheSheep> then I better not upgrade <charlie-tca> it has been disabled outside of indicators <TheSheep> madness <TheSheep> sometimes I wonder if they do it on purpose <ochosi> +1 <charlie-tca> This was done on purpose <charlie-tca> Well, are we all here today? <charlie-tca> At least the wiki is working this week <charlie-tca> #STARTMEETING <charlie-tca> Let's have a meeting! <charlie-tca> The full agenda for the Xubuntu Community Meeting is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings <charlie-tca> Today's agenda is: <charlie-tca> * Old business <charlie-tca> * Team updates <charlie-tca> * Packaging & Development <charlie-tca> * Bug Triage & Testing <charlie-tca> * Website & Marketing <charlie-tca> * Artwork <charlie-tca> * Documentation <charlie-tca> * Announcements <charlie-tca> * Governance structure <charlie-tca> * Any Other Business <charlie-tca> Under old business, I missed some of it last week, so it is on today's agenda <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Old Business <charlie-tca> 1. Charlie to dig for the xscreensaver updates, and put in an SRU - Carried Forward <charlie-tca> and carried forward again. If anyone has a chance to research this, please do so. <charlie-tca> 2. micahg to find what Ubuntu-desktop does with java in restricted-extras <charlie-tca> micahg: any progress? <micahg> charlie-tca: nope, will try to find out soon <charlie-tca> Carried forward then <charlie-tca> 3. GridCube to begin a discussion on the Xubuntu-devel ML to find the "Top 10" FAQ items for Xubuntu <charlie-tca> * https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2011-June/007836.html <charlie-tca> This is started, if we don't get any input, I will have GridCube put together his best effort and we will publish it. <charlie-tca> I think this is a great way to get users to look at the website <charlie-tca> 4. start ML discussion on panels, reviews of current panels, launchers on panels, etc <charlie-tca> We haven't done this, have we? <charlie-tca> ochosi: we still need this done, right? <ochosi> yeah, i think we still need to <ochosi> i think we should mainly ask for feedback on the current layout though <ochosi> otherwise everyone will come and suggest his or her personal layout as "the best" <charlie-tca> Okay. Do you want to send an email to ML or will I? <charlie-tca> We could send to both -devel and -users, too <ochosi> i can do it, but should it go to the users or dev? <ochosi> ok, both is fine <charlie-tca> It gives our users a chance to tell us what they like <charlie-tca> carried forward, Action marked for ochosi <TheSheep> or more likely, what they don't like <charlie-tca> Team updates - Team Leads <charlie-tca> Packaging & Development <charlie-tca> got to have that too, TheSheep <charlie-tca> any other comments on the old business? * charlie-tca gets in a hurry sometimes and forgets others want to speak up <charlie-tca> All right then, let's try to clear some of these things up this week <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: any news? <mr_pouit> mmh, yep, merges/syncs from unstable done, and I don't think there are any left <charlie-tca> Great! good job on that ! <mr_pouit> also, I did some cleanup to try to have the daily builds below 700M <micahg> just smartbookmark-plugin, but waiting for the next Debian upload <mr_pouit> indeed ;-) <charlie-tca> That is working, too. Although desktop images are broken today <charlie-tca> We are making terrific gains! Thanks for your hard efforts <mr_pouit> yeah, there were libreoffice and mono in them, that was bad, and the reason to the huge size (800M) <charlie-tca> ah * charlie-tca nods <mr_pouit> so I didn't try to add new packages yet <mr_pouit> (pavucontrol and pastebinit) <charlie-tca> no problem <mr_pouit> and we're waiting on some lightdm changes :p <mr_pouit> maybe they'll be done for the next alpha <ochosi> btw, can pavucontrol be opened from the soundmenu? <mr_pouit> anyway, that's all I think <mr_pouit> I'd say no <charlie-tca> Good question, ochosi. I don't really know <ochosi> cause atm with only pavucontrol installed the "sound preferences" item doesn't work (in natty) <ochosi> xfce4-mixer works ok <mr_pouit> yeah, it's either some gnome program, or xfce4-mxier <mr_pouit> *mixer <ochosi> meh <mr_pouit> pavucontrol will only add an entry in the multimedia menu <charlie-tca> I like mixer <mr_pouit> *submenu <micahg> we're still affected by some library transitions, but I think that's just extra space at this point, not breakage <ochosi> mr_pouit: anything we can do about that? <mr_pouit> ochosi: ask the developers of indicator-sound to try "pavucontrol" if nothing else if installed? ;> <mr_pouit> I think it's harcoded, so it needs code changes <ochosi> i see <charlie-tca> It would be nice if we can get it in the sound preferences, however, Having it installed by default counts a lot, too <mr_pouit> here's what is tried currently: "gnome-volume-control --page=applications", then "gnome-control-center sound", then "xfce4-mixer" <mr_pouit> first found, first used <charlie-tca> Any questions for mr_pouit or micahg in packaging and development? <charlie-tca> micahg: any chance we can get them to add pavucontrol to that? <micahg> well, if xfce4-mixer is there, I don't see why not <charlie-tca> Let' s try then <charlie-tca> Bug Triage & Testing <micahg> but this type of stuff shouldn't be hardcoded in the first place <charlie-tca> heh <ochosi> +1 * micahg wonders if there's xdg-sound... <mr_pouit> yup, there's a "nice" list for the media players, they could have done something similar for the mixers <charlie-tca> +1 <charlie-tca> Testing is going great this cycle. Even if we don't get every image and test everyday, there are enough tests being done to know when things break <charlie-tca> I think we should be seeing a lot more bugs against oneiric, but it might be just me. <charlie-tca> Any questions? <charlie-tca> Website & Marketing <charlie-tca> pleia2, knome, plantoschka : <charlie-tca> any updates? <charlie-tca> plantoschka: we need a news release for alpha2 this week. <charlie-tca> I will try to put together the release notes by Wednesday, since we release Thursday <charlie-tca> Most of the information will be in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/OneiricOcelot/AlphaNotes and the team reports <charlie-tca> The AlphaNotes page is not for public release, by the way <charlie-tca> Questions? <charlie-tca> Artwork <charlie-tca> ochosi: your turn <ochosi> hm, tbh there's not much <ochosi> i fixed the checkboxes and radiobuttons to follow the new (brighter) style <ochosi> and experimented with other colors <ochosi> but that's about it <knome> (wow, the meeting is *this* late!) <ochosi> didn't get too much feedback on the theme, but what i got was positive <charlie-tca> Yeah, Sunday <knome> mmh, and it's 1:30am ;) <ochosi> any questions? <knome> ++ for the changes i've seen <charlie-tca> I like what the theme is doing, so far <charlie-tca> Thanks for working on it <mr_pouit> yes, the fixed checkboxes are nice <ochosi> thanks <ochosi> any suggestions or requests so far? <charlie-tca> knome: anything on the website today? <knome> not really. i'm hoping i'll have the energy to work on it next week <knome> i've been working quite a lot with some WP plugins, though <knome> the imgcapt plugin is now pretty much done, and i might need people to test it <charlie-tca> we eagerly await that request <knome> you can see that in action in http://shimmerproject.org/project/gmusicbrowser/ <ochosi> i think the imgcapt plugin should definitely be used for the x-website, it's pretty self-explanatory <knome> okay, i'll try to set up a demo wp site up as soon as tomorrow, so you can try testing that, as well as the picslide plugin, as soon as i get some more work done with it <charlie-tca> That's neat! <knome> i'll write this in the invitation-to-test mail as well, but the feedback i need is: 1) is it easy to use 2) is there any features you'd like to be added <knome> and maybe 1,5) if something is not easy, how can i make that better OR how can iu document it so that it becomes obvious to the user <knome> anyway, the interface should be really so easy that even a child could use it <charlie-tca> great! I agree that feedback about to fix the issues is important. <knome> mmh <knome> good <charlie-tca> Thanks, knome <knome> no problem <charlie-tca> any questions for knome? <charlie-tca> TOPIC - Announcements <charlie-tca> TeamReports need to be updated <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/TeamReports <charlie-tca> * Oneiric Alpha 2: July 7 <charlie-tca> * Testing for Alpha2: July 5 <charlie-tca> The next meeting will be on Monday, 2011-07-11 at 19:00 UTC <charlie-tca> TOPIC - Any Other Business <charlie-tca> Anything else to be discussed? <charlie-tca> I want to thank everyone for participation in this meeting. <charlie-tca> Participation will help Xubuntu grow! <charlie-tca> and, if that is all, <charlie-tca> #ENDMEETING <micahg> mr_pouit: so, I'm still going to work on the library transitions, we don't need the space ATM, but a larger cushion wouldn't hurt <knome> charlie-tca, do we have a meeting bot, or are you just throwing in the commands just because? :) <charlie-tca> I throw them there because it is easier to create the minutes <knome> ok:) <mr_pouit> micahg: ok, thanks. We've also two versions of python at the same time, but I'm not sure what's the plan <knome> i think we could get the meeting bot here as well if we wanted <charlie-tca> also, we can search the logs for MEETING and find it fast <knome> sure <micahg> mr_pouit: if we can help Debian along sufficiently to switch to 2.7 as default in unstable, I think we'll drop it this cycle, otherwise, early next cycle <mr_pouit> last time I looked, it was python2.7 and 3.2 in the daily builds <charlie-tca> If we get enough space, we could add some language packs back into the images <micahg> oops <micahg> mr_pouit: I meant drop 2.6 :) <mr_pouit> ah, ok :p <micahg> charlie-tca: there's work going on for localized CDs, idk if we need languages on the main ISO <micahg> charlie-tca: ah, forgot to mention, Thunderbird is default in Ubuntu now :) <charlie-tca> Are those going to be Ubuntu only cd's, or will they include all images? <charlie-tca> I forgot about thunderbird, too <micahg> charlie-tca: not sure I understand the question <charlie-tca> When they create language specific cd's, will they include all images and flavours or will that be just Ubuntu images? <charlie-tca> Last I heard, that will be for Ubuntu only. It will not include any other flavours <micahg> true, but I think there might be a facility for us to do it ourselves * micahg steps away for errands <plantoschka> charlie-tca> plantoschka: we need a news release for alpha2 this week. <plantoschka> i'll send you something tomorrow <plantoschka> goin to bed now <charlie-tca> Thanks #xubuntu-devel 2011-07-04 <JeZ-l-Lee> KDE and now Gnome are terrible - only viable desktop environment left is XFCE <JeZ-l-Lee> guess I missed the meeting <charlie-tca> It was about 1-1/2 hours ago <JeZ-l-Lee> sorry, was at work * micahg -> back <knome> charlie-tca, still on? <knome> anybody interested in testing the imgcapt wordpress-plugin? pm me <Unit193> knome: WOuld that just be going to a website? :P <knome> Unit193, yes <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I don't show any changes to the 64bit alternate image since july 1, is that a mistake? Do we need to have the server kicked again or something? <charlie-tca> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/ shows it updating every day, but reality is that it has not changed. <mr_pouit> it failed today again <mr_pouit> ah, alternate? <mr_pouit> I don't know <charlie-tca> Okay, I will go to #ubuntu-release and see if I can find out what is happening. It might need something on the server end <charlie-tca> No images to test today. Take the day and rest up. <charlie-tca> astraljava, Unit193 : images are broken today. Should be working tomorrow <knome> sent email to the developer ML <knome> those who are interested, reply me in the next minutes and you'll get the account created right away <astraljava> knome: I'd love to, but I don't have my test machines with me yet. Nor do I have a decent network connection in this apartment either. Will keep you posted about how things develop, might get the machines for next week, but no idea about the connection yet. <knome> astraljava, you only need a web browser to test it :) <knome> astraljava, but yeah, the offer is valid for as long as we test it <astraljava> knome: Oh. I thought you meant the gmusic-thingie (that would run in Xubuntu). Sorry, I accidentally deleted the email already. <astraljava> knome: Then sure, please create me one! <knome> irc nick i suppose and irc real name, but which email addy? <astraljava> nick at kapsi and you know which country, I presume. :) <knome> yup ;) <knome> ok, you should have email now <knome> i wonder where charlie-tca is hiding :) <astraljava> Yep, I'm in. <knome> good! <astraljava> Wondered about that too. <astraljava> Okay, now what? Like I said, I apologize but I deleted the email with instructions in a rush. :-/ <knome> heh, well, there was not much instructions in the mail itself <astraljava> Oh okay. <knome> http://knome.fi/demo/wp/?page_id=11 <knome> that should tell you all you need to know <astraljava> Okay, thanks! I am finding it confusing after I uploaded an image. It asks me to "select a radiobutton", but I'm not seeing any. <knome> yeah, because you don't have any captions! :) <knome> but yeah, i suppose that can be confusing... <knome> added that to the bugs list <astraljava> Ahh... right, I should add one before. Gotcha. But yeah, that should be more informative. <knome> maybe something like "After adding a caption..." <astraljava> That should do it. <knome> i'm also going to replace the dull question mark with an icon, that would try to be somewhat informative as well <astraljava> Sure, sure. <knome> at least no serious bugs about how it works, yet (huh :D) <astraljava> Maybe also change the wording on "...and click the preview image...", maybe point somewhere on the preview image and click to place the position field... or something. I'm not really good at this kind of English. :D <astraljava> No, not really. :) <knome> yeah <astraljava> Okay, now that I saved and published it, how can I actually see the caption? <knome> go edit the page "Playground for ImgCapt" <knome> actually, i think it's a valid point to tell on the main imgcapt page how to add it to a post/page <astraljava> Yeah the problem from my point of view is that you see all the Images with Captions on them. But you cannot click on the thumbnails to get to see the captions in action. <knome> but you can see them in action in the edit-view <knome> so would a link from the image to the edit-view be a solution? <astraljava> True, but Edit usually implies something else than just plain Viewing. <knome> yeah... <knome> then again, a plain preview-view doesn't make much sense, since the preview is on the edit page as well <astraljava> So would it be possible to just see the captions on the images, and maybe have the link for editing there as well? <knome> maybe change the link title to "Edit and preview" ? <astraljava> Okay, that would make much more sense. <knome> having the captions in the thumbnail images would require more jQuery, and i don't actually see how that would make sense <astraljava> Well, what's the purpose? Is there no "slideshow"-kinda thingie? I am not very familiar with the concept. :) <knome> yeah, there is no slideshow <knome> did you try hovering over the caption you added? <astraljava> Okay, then I understand. It's just for the people who upload these. Then no need for changing the link. Edit will do just fine. <knome> http://elementaryos.org/discover <knome> yeah, this is just for people managing the website <astraljava> Sure, sure. It does everything that's needed, then. <knome> yup :) <knome> i still think the "Edit and preview" -wording could be better <knome> doesn't hurt to be more precies <knome> *precise <astraljava> True. <knome> at least when you have that much space.. <astraljava> So how tricky will it be for the end-user to hover over the caption? About the same as the uploader in the Edit screen? <knome> http://shimmerproject.org/project/gmusicbrowser/ <knome> there's one imgcapt image in action, with multiple notes <astraljava> Okay. Are they shown all the time, though? I don't know whether I really like that... ;) But then again, I'm weird like that. :) <knome> hmm, what do you mean shown all the time? <astraljava> Like the blue spots are visible all the time? <knome> if the text notes are shown all the time, that's a bug <knome> yeah, they are <knome> what do you suggest then <knome> show them when hovering over the image? <astraljava> Yeah. For an informative page, it shouldn't matter. But what about someone who presents beautiful pictures, but wants to deliver some details somewhere? <knome> yeah <knome> i suppose that could be an option <astraljava> It would be great, but then again the user should know somehow that it's got those, but they're not plainly visible. <astraljava> I have no idea how to deliver that. <knome> that shouldn't be too hard reallly <knome> maybe then you'd have to have a description <knome> "hover over the image to see notes" <knome> but then again, that should not be the worry of the plugin <astraljava> Well, yeah. That's true. Okay, sounds like something I'd have no beef with! :D <astraljava> Yeah I agree, the plugin doesn't need to care whether or not the uploader adds a description or not. <knome> that also leaves more possibilities on how to style/position the description <astraljava> Sure. <astraljava> But yeah, great work on that one! <knome> thanks :) <knome> some of the bugs are already fixed, btw <knome> well, mostly the wording issues <astraljava> Cool! <knome> more bugs splatted: http://knome.fi/demo/wp/?page_id=46 <astraljava> knome: Excellent. I do wish though that you won't implement the "captions under the image" wishlist bug, though. <astraljava> -though <knome> that would be an option, not obligatory :) <knome> and that wishlish item is from me ;) <knome> because i just figured some uses where it makes more sense <astraljava> Okay, yeah maybe it has some uses. I really like the bubble, though. :) <knome> mm-hmm <knome> the bubble is actually themable with css <knome> this is just the default <astraljava> Right, it's still kinda cute. :) <knome> heh, thanks, and good <knome> good defaults++ <astraljava> Indeed. <astraljava> You know, there's one big problem living in Oulu during the summer. <astraljava> I can't get to sleep. <astraljava> Too much light. <astraljava> Perhaps the curtains will bring some relief to that when I actually really move in. :) <Unit193> I should read that email :P <knome_web> oh crap. #xubuntu-devel 2011-07-05 <knome_web> anyway, i actually managed to splat one more bug before the server went dingdong <Unit193> Eh... Not fun! Do you know why yet? <knome_web> well no idea, though i emailed the service provider already <knome_web> (and yes, it's 2am in finland) <knome_web> i think we're almost up again! <knome_web> i'm already being asked a password on ssh connection <knome_web> now we're all the way up to connection refused! <knome> and we're back <knome> Unit193, which email? :) <knome> woot, they just released 3.2 <knome> errm, wordpress 3.2 :) <knome> woot, the new admin looks sexy <knome> see for yourself (updated the demo site to 3.2 as well) <knome> okay, so now every non-ie related bug in imgcapt is fixed, except the translation issue <Unit193> knome: The one with the WP content <knome> Unit193, ? <knome> the bug in "playground" is fixed, since there is no better way to display the span there. <knome> the xfwm bug is a completely different issue ;) <knome> err xfpm <knome> is there any other bug you might be referring to? <knome> astraljava, thanks for the good feedback! <astraljava> knome: Thanks for the opportunity to take part. :) <knome> no problem! <knome> i'm probably going to add a few other plugins to the site soon.. <astraljava> knome: Just let us know if we can be of assistance when regards to testing. <knome> astraljava, sure! :) <knome> some of them actually need next to no testing (have been in use for >year...) <knome> i suppose the most important thing is to check the installation process to a new installation rather than just maintaining the original plugin installation <astraljava> knome: Yeah. Read that wrong. Thought you said you were fixing some other plugins. :) <knome> heh well, there are some plugins that need testing <knome> probably not fixing, but giving other people access to them might bring out something weird ;) <knome> and if not anything else, need for additional features might arise <astraljava> knome: Yeah. It's not always bugs only in existing functionality. <astraljava> Uhh... #ubuntu is an endeavour. I need to sleep now. :D <knome> heh :D <knome> good night! <astraljava> Thanks, you too! <knome> (let's see if it's 4am or 6am tonight... ;)) <Unit193> knome: I was talking about the Testing the ImgCapt WordPress plugin email (Really doesn't matter at this point) <knome> Unit193, :) <knome> Unit193, i can still create you an account... <knome> while i fixed many issues, it's still not perfect <Unit193> knome: If you don't need any more testing (And astralj is better anyway) <knome> Unit193, i definitely need more testing for imgcapt, the last discussion was about other plugins :) <Unit193> I could test to the best of my ability, but that may not be all that well (I also wouldn't really be too happy about last name) <knome> okay, just throw in the initial :) <Unit193> And you would be OK with that? Cool. PM or email? <knome> pm is fine <knome> and yeah, that's fine really <NevoTech> Hi, I'm a small system builder, and I'm interested in marketing Xubuntu on my website and in ads, who would i talk to? <astraljava> NevoTech: That would be charlie-tca, pleia2, knome and plantoschka. <NevoTech> perfect, thank you <astraljava> NevoTech: Thanks for helping out! :) <charlie-tca> Good morning <charlie-tca> Testing alpha2 begins today, all the images should be dated today <knome> charlie-tca, hey (pong) <charlie-tca> yes, here <knome> charlie-tca, you pinged me earlier? <charlie-tca> I don't remember? I went off line most of yesterday <knome> would that have been something about the plugin testing, or something else? <charlie-tca> I don't know now <knome> heh, okay <knome> do you want an account to the test site anyway? <charlie-tca> sure <charlie-tca> use this nick <knome> which email? <charlie-tca> charlie-tca AT ubuntu <knome> done, you should have email <charlie-tca> thank you <knome> np <xeranas> Hi all, <xeranas> If I want to learn about devepoping xubuntu where I should start reading maybe good article exist about this? <charlie-tca> http://xubuntu.org/contribute * knome is keeping his fingers crossed that the page is up-to-date enough ;) <xeranas> so first recomended thing is become MOTU? <charlie-tca> yes, it is <charlie-tca> all of the developers for Xubuntu have to start there <micahg> ugh, it's no longer needed to become MOTU before becoming an Ubuntu developer, there are Per package upload rights as well as packagesets now, I can't speak for xubuntu-dev though <knome> being a motu is not a bad starting point <micahg> yes, but one should only become MOTU if one is interested in the archive in general and not a specific set of packages <charlie-tca> xeranas: apparently, the first step is to become a Ubuntu developer now <knome> and there are probably things you can help with even if you are not a motu, or ubuntu member <knome> xeranas, what are your main points of interest? <xeranas> learn and get more expierence <xeranas> and afcourse make something usefull <knome> micahg, is there some low-hanging fruit out of the motu scope you and mr_pouit are working on right now? <micahg> knome: I think we're done with the first round of merges, idk of anything offhand, maybe charlie-tca knows of some outstanding bugs that need fixing that might be on the easier side <charlie-tca> Back to the first step <knome> charlie-tca, any important, but probably easyish bugs? <charlie-tca> None <knome> non-important? <knome> non-easy? <knome> ANY bugs? <knome> :) <charlie-tca> This is why the first step is to start at Ubuntu development. <knome> xeranas, do you have any experience in programming? <knome> charlie-tca, i doubt ubuntu has any easier bugs really.. <charlie-tca> They have such stuff. We don't usually have the documenatation, training ability, bitesize fix easy, etc <charlie-tca> Of course they do. <charlie-tca> Go to launchpad, seach on bitesize tag <charlie-tca> go to harvest, they keep a page of easy to fix issues <micahg> charlie-tca: well, the mentoring can happen in #ubuntu-motu, was just wondering if you have any itches for someone to scratch <charlie-tca> We are a very small team, most of the easy stuff happens very fast here. <charlie-tca> micahg: you and mr_pouit are handling the development side, is there any? <micahg> k, harvest is a good, idea, I think the xubuntu packageset shows up there <xeranas> knome: PHP, Python, Java, and bit C++ <charlie-tca> How about the "lightdm won't give us a live session" stuff? <micahg> heh, that's not so easy... <micahg> harvest does have a list for the xubuntu packageset though <xeranas> knome: currently only harvesting information where can start, it not mean that Im start right now (because first need read lots of documentation and I want spend time in right place ...) <knome> xeranas, sure! i'm sure micahg can help you getting started with the right stuff from here :) <charlie-tca> Well, if I give advice and then someone else decides it is wrong, I don't have any more <knome> charlie-tca, your advice is of course taken into account :) didn't micahg say that harvest is a good idea :) <xeranas> charlie-tca: I read MOTU as well, I feel that good to know packaging basics <micahg> charlie-tca: just saying that MOTU isn't a required first step towards xubuntu upload rights as far as the DMB is concerned, Xubuntu itself can have its own rules though <micahg> charlie-tca: and I did acknowledge your role as decider in my original statement :) <charlie-tca> As to the wiki, if it is wrong, perhaps micahg and knome would be so good as to get it updated? <charlie-tca> or, rather, website <knome> mmh, that's on the list before we publish the new website <micahg> charlie-tca: well, I guess that can be a topic for the next meeting, if MOTU should still be a first step or not <charlie-tca> That needs to be done asap, not when we have the website go up <charlie-tca> micahg: that is up to mr_pouit, as lead developer for Xubuntu <mr_pouit> eh, I thought that to be able to get our own members and developers, we'd have to set up the xubuntu council first? <mr_pouit> (o hai, btw) <micahg> but AFAIK xubuntu-dev != upload rights <micahg> mr_pouit: yes <charlie-tca> and until that point, where do they start? <mr_pouit> mmh, it's always a good idea to read the motu documentation anyway (but then, it's possible to focus later on xubuntu/xfce packages instead of all universe packages) <charlie-tca> Can't actually set up a council with a 4 person team, and two of the 4 are mostly inactive <knome> i need to go <knome> i'll be back later today <knome> see you <GridCube> :( im sorry i don't know if i can test today <GridCube> :( <charlie-tca> np <GridCube> how much time is left? maybe i can get back to my house to do a late test <charlie-tca> um, daily or milestone? <charlie-tca> We started testing alpha2 today. We have today and tomorrow to do them <GridCube> milestone? <GridCube> oh <charlie-tca> This is the ones on the iso tracker <GridCube> :D i can get to do milestone tomorrow then :D <charlie-tca> My zsync is taaking forever today <charlie-tca> 3-1/2 hours already <GridCube> that might be all the people ddosing unintentionally the servers <charlie-tca> yeah <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I show 67 proposed new Xubuntu Team members at https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team <charlie-tca> Want to discuss them in pm or throrgh email? * micahg wonders if he should throw his hat into the list... * charlie-tca and mr_pouit think micahg should throw his hat into https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ <micahg> charlie-tca: not possible, restricted team :) <micahg> mr_pouit could add me if he wants to <charlie-tca> Yes, he could <charlie-tca> How do you grow a team that no one can apply to? <micahg> ah, it says one needs to create a wiki page <micahg> and petition for entrance * micahg guesses he could do that at some point <The_Soup> charlie-tca: http://www.emotty.com/images/emoticons/907.png <charlie-tca> micahg: it never actually tells you who/what to send the request to <micahg> true <mr_pouit> oh, I didn't know I'm an admin of xubuntu-dev <mr_pouit> ~I'll add you then :p <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: getting the Xubuntu Team together is necessary to getting even close to setting up a council, since they are the team that has to vote for a council <mr_pouit> yeah, from a quick look at the list of proposed members, most of them don't seem to be related to xubuntu :| <charlie-tca> true <charlie-tca> but we still have ncommander on xubuntu-dev too <mr_pouit> yeah, in pkg-xfce (in debian) also, but he hasn't done anything since xfce 4.6... <micahg> charlie-tca: he's in there twice actually (he's core-dev now :)) <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: shall I clean up Xubuntu Team and email a list of candidates to you for comments? <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: thanks, that would be great (I don't think I know more than 4 names in this list :}) <charlie-tca> Okay, I will give it a try <charlie-tca> That should be the team selecting the next project leader <charlie-tca> Some of them are the people testing the development versions for us, too <mr_pouit> I think I saw pleia, the dev of xfce4-volumed, a danish xfce translator, and a kubuntu developer ;p <charlie-tca> heh, I will see what I can do for it, then. <mr_pouit> if you're fine with that, I'll add micahg to ~xubuntu-dev without the need for him to do any wikipage :p <charlie-tca> Sure, and then we can bug him for the page to get done ;) <mr_pouit> huhuhu <charlie-tca> How did micahg get to be an ubuntu member without a wiki page? <micahg> charlie-tca: I have one for Ubuntu membership, one for mozillateam, and one for MOTU <charlie-tca> Oh, so one for Xubuntu should be easy? ;) * micahg will cut and paste from +uploaded-packages <mr_pouit> and then one wikipage to list all these ones <charlie-tca> hehehe, yeah, that too <micahg> 18 out of the last 75 are xfce* <charlie-tca> Really? <micahg> charlie-tca: https://launchpad.net/~micahg/+uploaded-packages <charlie-tca> oh, good <micahg> most were sync requests :) <charlie-tca> Every one helps <micahg> but I think I got libgtk2-notify-perl working with the new libnotify, just need to wait on a libgtk2-perl rebuild which should happen after alpha2 <micahg> which is one of the last packages keeping libnotify1 on the CD * micahg hugs mr_pouit <mr_pouit> :) * micahg wonders what he got himself into now... <charlie-tca> nothing but good :) <mr_pouit> you'll have to obey charlie-tca :P <charlie-tca> Is that even possible? <charlie-tca> re-syncing xubuntu images, which got respun after I synced them <charlie-tca> 23% changed on the desktop 64 image <Unit193> With the idea of dev testers, do I count? Should I join xubuntu-team? <charlie-tca> Um, you should join ~xubuntu-testers in launchpad <Unit193> I'm the newest person to apply :) <charlie-tca> hm, my internet connection sure hates doing three installs at one time now <astraljava> Unit193: Are you testing today? I forgot to download the image at work, and cannot do it over the 3G due to the quota. I'll try to recall to download it tomorrow before heading home. <charlie-tca> doing my part to turn the iso tracker red today <charlie-tca> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ <Unit193> astraljava: I'm trying to, but I have something most of the day (I can do this 'til midnight, right?) <charlie-tca> yup <charlie-tca> Unless things get fixed suddenly, we should have the same images now until Friday's run <Unit193> Mind if I run things by you before putting them on the tracker? (Like normal) <charlie-tca> no, I don't mind. <charlie-tca> Congratulations, pleia2 ! Best wishes to both of you! <pleia2> charlie-tca: thank you :) <micahg> pleia2: congrats! <charlie-tca> Why is modem manager loading a ton of plugins before the Xubuntu desktop install restarts? <davmor2> charlie-tca: I get the same thing when Ubuntu logs out to shut down <charlie-tca> Got about 60 or more plugins loading between "restart" and "remove cd" <davmor2> only unloading obviously <charlie-tca> it says "loading <pleia2> micahg: thanks! <charlie-tca> well, I probably got enough red on the tracker anyway <charlie-tca> It seems to be our turn for red bugs <davmor2> charlie-tca: try Ubuntu you can make up the difference in no time guaranteed :) <charlie-tca> heh <charlie-tca> what an idea! <astraljava> pleia2: Congratulations, though I'm not really sure why, but I have a hunch. :) <pleia2> astraljava: thanks :) (engaged) <astraljava> Unit193: Yeah no biggie. But yeah, I'll test tomorrow anyway, if I recall/can download during the workday. <astraljava> pleia2: Figured something like that. :) <The_Soup> pleia2: congratulations too :3 <pleia2> thank you :) <GridCube> lol my nick was wrong <GridCube> :) i hope i can get to my home soon and do the testings for this milestone <GridCube> and in other news... :D I got a job! :D i'm a real librarian now! <pleia2> congrats <davmor2> GridCube: It's not a boring job either I've seen all about it http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0412915/ <charlie-tca> GridCube: congratulations on the new job! <davmor2> GridCube: Congratulations though <GridCube> davmor2: i study library science :D librarianship is the awesomest of the awesome <GridCube> lol that movie, haven't actually seen it yet #xubuntu-devel 2011-07-06 <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: sorry about those emails coming out <Unit193> astraljava: I just got back, but I'll have time to run a few <Unit193> 32bit LiveCD didn't work for me <Unit193> GridCube: How did your testing go? <GridCube> i have just turned on my computer since saturday <Unit193> Libgnome-control-center1 Is in the updates... <Unit193> charlie-tca: You won't like it, but I have done desktop and alt installs today <astraljava> Unit193: Why would he not like it? Every bit of testing is good, by nature. :) <Unit193> astraljava: I have never used the QA tracker so I just put in in the GDoc :P (I did make a QA account) <astraljava> Unit193: Okay. But the tracker should be real simple to use, if I'm thinking of the right thing. Basically you just mention what happened in your testing, either PASS, or FAIL, and if latter, then possibly the relevant bug #, if any. If no bug is filed, then maybe some free speech explanation of why it/what failed. <astraljava> free speech? seriously? I dunno what I was thinking there. :D <Unit193> astraljava: Aye, it does seem simple to use I just don't have any bug # on what I have (One was reported by another person so I have that one). And maybe you were thinking freehand <Unit193> This one http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ <Unit193> astraljava: Hmmm... You think I can just about paste my doc report? <astraljava> freehand sounds a lot better. :) <astraljava> paste where? <Unit193> ISO tracker :P Nice and short... <astraljava> Unit193: There's the comment field, so IMHO you can fill that up as you like. Basically the more information the better, but of course keep it coherent still. :) <Unit193> Does this make any sense? (And thanks for the help!) "Save Session in the logout menu was checked by default. Guest account doesn't login (Changes to LightDM wallpaper)" <astraljava> Unit193: Sure, it does to me, even though I am not fully aware of all the implications. But someone who is should understand immediately what's that about. <charlie-tca> Unit193: Thanks for the tests. astraljava is correct. Every test helps. <charlie-tca> Yes, your comments made complete sense to me. You did a good job with them. <astraljava> charlie-tca: Thanks for reminding to download the images. :D <astraljava> I would have forgotten otherwise. :) <GridCube> i finally did a test yesterday <charlie-tca> Both Mythbuntu and Kubuntu will be skipping alpha2, too many issues with it. <Unit193> charlie-tca: Thank you. Do I need to file bug reports on those other ones? <charlie-tca> which ones? I lost track now <Unit193> Save Session and Guest Account (The other bug isn't exact, but it's just about) <charlie-tca> guest account should have one filed, yes <charlie-tca> save session is questionable. It works part time <Unit193> I find it annoying for it to be default though... <charlie-tca> sorry <charlie-tca> You can file it as wishlist for a change, if you really want to <charlie-tca> It is quite tricky to turn off and on <Unit193> I thought this has changed in Oneiric but I could be wrong... <astraljava> What application provides the session-saving in Xubuntu? Yes, I could google, but I prefer talk^Wchatting. :D <Unit193> Ctrl+w didn't work for you... <charlie-tca> Sessions and Startup in settings manager <charlie-tca> The name of the exec is xfce4-session-settings <astraljava> Unit193: I know. :) I don't think it's supposed to, it's kind of a joke really... ;) <astraljava> charlie-tca: Thanks! <charlie-tca> no problem <astraljava> Hehe, I'm not too sad about GNOME 2 going away, really. For instance, I set gnome-terminal so that it's default profile has -geometry=94x43, which it would execute so that the first instance would provide that, but all following instances would have 94x41. <astraljava> So, I reset the profile. Changed preferred applications' system with custom entry, defining that there. <astraljava> Now every instance would appear as 94x41. So I set the options as -geometry=94x45, and now it is as I wanted, meaning 94x43. :D <charlie-tca> weird <astraljava> Good riddance, gnome-people, I say. :D <charlie-tca> xfce terminal you can set in ~/.config/Terminal and it works for every instance you open <astraljava> Would that make them hobbits? <astraljava> charlie-tca: I believe every other terminal would. <charlie-tca> um, I thought hobbits and gnomes are different ;) <Unit193> But gnome-terminal does have a bell... <charlie-tca> We do too, if you turn on all the stuff it needs to beep <astraljava> charlie-tca: In a Tolkien-world, they would. But elsewhere? <charlie-tca> Unit193: same file to turn on bell, plus turning on system sounds <Unit193> I couldn't track them all down... And it might be nice to just have the taskbar blink <charlie-tca> yeah, that ain't gonna happen <charlie-tca> hm, maybe use screen/byobu to control it. It works <Unit193> I know, it just might be handy <charlie-tca> I turn off all those annoying sounds most of the time <Unit193> Aye, I just have to check the terminal every now and then to see if any of the channels have anything <charlie-tca> yup <charlie-tca> weechat uses terminal too <charlie-tca> but I got a bell that tells me when you hit my name, at least <astraljava> charlie-tca: Cool, I suppose weechat has the support for that, then. I guess irssi might have, too, but since I run it on a remote server, to which I connect from my machine, I guess it loses somewhere down the road. <charlie-tca> It's a plugin <charlie-tca> irssi may not have that beeper plugin available <Unit193> astraljava: /set bell and /set beep should show you what you want <Unit193> I get the beeps on Konsole in Kubuntu (Dual boot that I almost never use) and PortablePuTTY (Flash drive for windows computers) <astraljava> Unit193: Okay, can you hilight me, please? (and pardon for the rest of the channel, but it's quiet out there right now) <Unit193> astraljava: Never <charlie-tca> astraljava: <charlie-tca> quiet, in #xubuntu-devel? <charlie-tca> lol <astraljava> Nah, doesn't work. Probably the screen/remote thingie what loses it. Thanks anyway! <Unit193> Seems to be just us 3 <charlie-tca> well, the rest are just being quiet ;) <Unit193> astraljava: C-a C-g <astraljava> Unit193: Okay, can you try again, please? <Unit193> astraljava: Sure! <astraljava> Nope, still nothing. <astraljava> Oh well, I'll manage. <Unit193> astraljava: Did you switch to audio bell or visual bell? <astraljava> It said "switched to audible bell" when I hit that combo. <astraljava> ...or something like that anyway. <astraljava> But it probably now beeps in the server hall up in some ISPs dungeons. :D <charlie-tca> heh <charlie-tca> lucky fellows <Unit193> I found that finch is binging away when I get a message on the computer it's running on :P <astraljava> Well, I believe the machine my session is running on is actually buried so deep inside some rocks that nobody cares. Nobody hears, either, unless someone's there to do some maintenance. But then I believe I'm not the only one doing so, so they probably wear protection anyway. :D <Unit193> I just have mine running from home with an uptime of just over 30 days (Not much, but I was having issues with it that are fixed now) <astraljava> Unit193: Yeah. I tend to move around a lot, so I prefer having it constantly open and accessible from all around. <astraljava> Okay, desktop 64-bit install drops to a shell. <astraljava> charlie-tca: I see where you were coming from when deciding not to do alpha-2. :D <astraljava> No wait! * Unit193 invites astraljava to #xubuntu-offtopic <charlie-tca> no, we are doing alpha2 <charlie-tca> mythbuntu and kubuntu decided against it, though <charlie-tca> At what point did it drop? <astraljava> Sorry, it continued after quite some while showing just a ubuntu@ubuntu: prompt in a shell. It's going now. <pleia2> just let me know when we have text for alpha2 announcement and I'll make sure it gets on the site tomorrow <charlie-tca> I have ubuntustudio 386 and 64 both running installs <charlie-tca> pleia2: email it to you? <pleia2> charlie-tca: sure, craighoward@example.net <astraljava> charlie-tca: Did you choose any of the suites when asking what to install? <charlie-tca> I have the draft already <pleia2> charlie-tca: oh great <charlie-tca> astraljava: it didn't ask yet <pleia2> I'm on california time so it won't be put up super early, but it'll get up some time tomorrow :) <charlie-tca> We will have pity on those who skip the release notes, at least until they file duplicate bugs <astraljava> charlie-tca: It failed for me when I chose them all. <astraljava> Haha! <charlie-tca> Oh, I usually just pick the first one <Unit193> I guess I'll have to run more today. CDs the same? <charlie-tca> same as yesterday, yes <Unit193> I guess that was a stupid question... <charlie-tca> nope <charlie-tca> start reading the motu documentation on the wiki <charlie-tca> !motu <ubottu> motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU <charlie-tca> oh, never mind <charlie-tca> that was the wrong answer, though <astraljava> Becoming a MOTU isn't a bad thing, but isn't necessarily a main target for a tester. :) <Unit193> Yep! I'm going for testing and support (Support more on #lubuntu because there are less people to see me being stupid :P ) <charlie-tca> yeah
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