#ubuntustudio 2010-11-01 <factran> Hi ! I'm trying rebirth with wine, it's cool, but there is a big lag. Anyone had the same lag problem with wine ? <factran> preferences, audio buffer ! <toe_> having problems install jack <holstein> :/ <holstein> hey toe_ <holstein> jack just comes with ubuntustudio <toe_> tried sudo apt-get update && apt-get install -t experimental jackd but it asks if im root <toe_> im trying to install freebob rather for my firepod <holstein> what is experimental jackd? <holstein> yeah? <holstein> the firewire driver <holstein> in JACK <toe_> http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/FreeBoB_on_Debian_GNU/Linux im at the install part <holstein> and JACK2 <holstein> works great for me <toe_> yea i did all the settings for jack but it runs for a bit the stops <holstein> what chipset? <holstein> firewire? <toe_> 19:05:05.209 Could not connect to JACK server as client. - Overall operation failed. - Unable to connect to server. Please check the messages window for more info. <holstein> yup <toe_> what do you mean by chipset <holstein> what firewire chipset do you have? <holstein> run <holstein> lspci <toe_> ieee1394 <holstein> you'll see something there <holstein> near 1394 <toe_> ? <holstein> via <holstein> texas instruments <holstein> could be that <holstein> OR IRQ's <toe_> oh how do i find that out in terminal <holstein> lspci <holstein> for the IRQ settings <holstein> check <holstein> cat /proc/interrupts <holstein> ideally <holstein> you want the firewire controller off by iteself <holstein> i got a laptop <holstein> one USB port is shared with the firewire controller <holstein> if anything is plugged in to that USB port <holstein> it runs like hell <holstein> when i can get it to start <holstein> that chip set is not a good one either <holstein> SO right there, im challenged <holstein> luckily, that machine died ;) <toe_> its a via tech <holstein> i have one via that is not bad <holstein> texas instruments is ideal <holstein> when your looking around in the future for hardware <toe_> ok <holstein> what about cat /proc/interrupts ? <toe_> so what do i do now? <holstein> do you see a line with 1394? <holstein> paste that one line here <toe_> no 1394 line <holstein> yeah? <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ <holstein> paste the whole thing there ^^ <holstein> toe_: actually <holstein> lets do this <holstein> run <holstein> sudo qjackctl <holstein> and open setup <toe_> whats that <holstein> and lets talk about that settings <holstein> qjackctl <holstein> is jack control <holstein> and we are going to run it with the sudo command <holstein> as root <holstein> temporarily <holstein> to see if the firepod will work this way <holstein> then, i'll know what to tell you to do if it works as sudo <toe_> ok up and running <holstein> OK <holstein> click 'setup' <holstein> on the left side <toe_> done <holstein> theres a checkbox <holstein> 'realtime' <holstein> is that checked? <toe_> yea <holstein> in the center <holstein> frames/period <holstein> what is that set to? <toe_> i saw a setup for it and set it up to be preferenced <toe_> 128 <holstein> OK <holstein> set that to 256 <toe_> samp 44100 <holstein> and period buffer? <holstein> what is that set to? <toe_> 2 <holstein> OK <holstein> and priority default? <toe_> input device hw0 right <holstein> toe_: try default <toe_> yea <holstein> for imput device too <holstein> for now <holstein> driver 'firewire' <toe_> ok done <holstein> OK <holstein> nothing else firewire plugged in right? <holstein> just the firepod? <toe_> done , that might of been the problem it was set to alsa <toe_> yea just the pods in <holstein> OK <holstein> say 'OK' <toe_> start her up <holstein> and go back to the main window <holstein> and try 'start' <toe_> sweet it worked <holstein> cool <holstein> SO <holstein> stop it <holstein> and go back to the menu <holstein> and click on jack control <toe_> ok <holstein> and try it again <holstein> and dont freak if it doesnt work <holstein> probably some permissions we need to trouble shoot <toe_> no it works . another thing i was wondering about is i got real use to using cubase whats the clossest program to that for studio <holstein> well, there is nothing like cubase, and personally im glad <holstein> BUT <holstein> what you want is ardour <holstein> ardour and JACK <holstein> ardour will have MIDI support soon <holstein> if you want midi <holstein> you use JACK to connect <toe_> ok no i dont need midi support <holstein> toe_: check out #opensourcemusicians when you get a chance :) <holstein> ardour is the deal then <holstein> and #ardour is very helpful <toe_> ok will do thanks alot for the help your got go for a few hours but ill be back ill see if your in hear again and check that out <holstein> toe_ :) #ubuntustudio 2010-11-02 <toe_> hey whats up <toe_> can i open my existing projectsfrom cubase with ardour <holstein> hey toe_ <holstein> there is a converter app <holstein> i forget what its called <holstein> and i have not used it <holstein> the way i do it... <holstein> i export the wav files from cubase <holstein> without effects or automaion <holstein> and import them into ardour <toe_> oh i forgot the wav files are atomatically save to the folder <toe_> only problem is a couple of them i recorded over the tracks so theres ex bass.wav to bass13.wav <toe_> but obviously the one with bigger size is the correct one <toe_> how would i have each individual port designated to a certain track <toe_> in ardour <holstein> port? <holstein> SAY <holstein> you have a project <holstein> in cubase <holstein> with 4 tracks <holstein> just export them seperately <holstein> OR <holstein> fish around for the wavs like your talking about <toe_> remote controller id maybe <holstein> and just import them into ardour <holstein> one at a time <holstein> as separate tracks <toe_> no i mean if im starting a new project sorry <holstein> just like they were in cubase <holstein> toe_: AH <holstein> you use JACK <holstein> you can do it in ardour too <holstein> in JACK <holstein> the 'connections' <holstein> area <holstein> you'll see your sound cards ins and outs <holstein> and if ardour is running <holstein> you'll see ardours channels/tracks ins and outs <holstein> you just route them however you want <holstein> in/out <holstein> to external effects <holstein> or other hardware <holstein> other JACK aware software <holstein> where ever you want <toe_> i dont get what you mean. in cubase you assign each track . i dont see connections as well <holstein> OK <holstein> in cubase <holstein> you only use cubase <holstein> with JACK <holstein> you can interconnect all kinds of apps <holstein> not just ardour <holstein> say i have my guitar plugged into the firepod <holstein> into channel 4 <holstein> i can route channel 4 over into rakarrack <holstein> and add an effect in realtime <holstein> route that effected signal to track 1 in ardour <holstein> and route the dry guitar signal to another track in ardour <holstein> maybe track 2 <holstein> then, say i got a drum machine programmed <holstein> in hydrogen <holstein> mabye snare kick and hihat <holstein> i can route those to separate tracks in ardour <holstein> maybe 3 4 and 5 <holstein> JACK is like a patchbay <holstein> THEN <holstein> lets say i want to use something like darkice <holstein> to stream that to the internet while im recording <holstein> i can route the main out or ardour to darkice's input <holstein> in JACK's connections window <holstein> toe_: there are little plus signs <holstein> + <holstein> in connections <holstein> if you expand those <holstein> you should see all 8 ins <holstein> and the outs on the right side <holstein> there is a simple way to assign these from inside ardour too <holstein> in the mixer somewhere <toe_> give me a second my computers having a meltdown. i tried running rakarak and it said error cannt run jack because of jackd <toe_> so now my computer is acting like a peice of crap and rakarak is maybe loading im not sure i might just take the easy route and hit the wer button <holstein> what are the specs? <holstein> if you dont have a realtime kernel <holstein> and the latency set really low <holstein> no reason to run rakarrack <holstein> i have several different JACK profiles <toe_> be right back im hitting the power . i was going to see what effects i can do <holstein> one for mixing which is quite relaxed <holstein> maybe 40 ms latency <holstein> BUT i have one for doing realtime effects and tracking things like that <holstein> synths.. whatever <holstein> that is set at like 1.2 ms <toe_> ok so i got jack up and going and adour . so do i hit connect then that bring up a window i assmue for selecting programs to associate with <holstein> pretty much <holstein> you get JACK going first <holstein> like you have <holstein> then <holstein> open whatever else you want to use <holstein> then <holstein> go back to the JACK window <holstein> and click 'connect' <holstein> thats where you'll see the connections that are possible <toe_> only thing i dont see is channel 8 which i use for guitar <holstein> you'll be interested in the ones under the audio tabe <holstein> tab* <holstein> toe_: hmmm <holstein> they used to be labeled 1 through 8 <holstein> the packages im using now <holstein> they are labled 1L 2R 3L 4R <holstein> like that <holstein> 8 should be there <toe_> no audio 5/out 1 audio 5/out 2 <toe_> audio 1- 7 all the same <holstein> hmmm <holstein> not sure what you mean <toe_> audio 1/out 1 <toe_> audio 1/out 2 <holstein> AH <holstein> thats ardour channels <holstein> tracks <toe_> like that threw audio 7 id assume that 7 is port 7 <holstein> out 1 is left out 2 is right <holstein> i think your in the ardour seciton <holstein> and not the one for your presonus <holstein> this is the learning curve <holstein> BUT there really is nothing like it <holstein> so much like a patchbay <holstein> there are graphical frontends for it <toe_> oh yea i am <holstein> http://ladish.org/wiki/screenshots <holstein> http://www.linuxdsp.co.uk/download/jp1/index.html <holstein> there's always options with linux <holstein> if a certain workflow doesnt work for you <holstein> i just like to introduce this as the first choice <lasconic> hi there <lasconic> I'm one of the dev of MuseScore <lasconic> MuseScore is in the meta packages of ubuntustudio <lasconic> but it's often named mscore <lasconic> this package is deprecated now <lasconic> the new package name is musescore <lasconic> http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/musescore <lasconic> can it be changed in the software list ? <lasconic> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PackageSelectionDevelopment <persia> lasconic, We kept the name "mscore" to ensure that users who had it installed before the name change would automatically get "musecore" installed. <persia> Checking now, it looks like we can safely remove the "mscore" dummy package, so we'll do so for natty. <persia> We can't change it in the software list for things already released, but the description for the "mscore" package is "The package `mscore` has been renamed to `musescore`", and the "mscore" package contains *only* machine-readable instructions to install musescore. <persia> Ah, we can't actually remove it yet: because it would break upgrades for Debian users. We'll remove it as soon as Debian Squeeze releases. <lasconic> persia: thanks <lasconic> it's just easier for us to follow discussions with musescore <lasconic> I find out totally by chance that MuseScore could be included by default in ubuntu studio <persia> lasconic, Sorry it takes so long to migrate: you'll probably still find traces of the transition packages laying around for the next 5 years, but we did move the real package name around the time you did: just takes us this long to do things. <lasconic> no problem ! <persia> Yeah. It's really nice, and getting better along the way. <lasconic> yes! working on new nice things like guitar tabs support :) <lasconic> the community will love to hear that next ubuntu stuidio will include musescore by default <persia> It will likely be a while before there is a final decision. My understanding is that there is an intent to try using musescore for score editing by default for Alpha 1, and if that is received well, staying with it. <lasconic> great <lasconic> if I can help with something regarding musescore don't hesitate <lasconic> devs are on #musescore <persia> Thanks! Where's the best place to find you? <persia> Oh, cool. <lasconic> or my nickname <persia> I'll definitely point folk there if we encounter specific issues. <lasconic> gmail.com <persia> We tend to be IRC-focused, but thanks also for the email, just in case. <lasconic> IRC is fine <persia> ScottL, ^^^ <nemptor> hello everybody. i need help with my problem with gtick, anyone? <persia> What is the problem? <nemptor> in the sound device is /usr/bin/jackd and when i start gtick in terminal i got /usr/bin/jackd permission denied <persia> Hrm. I think you need someone who uses gtick (wait a bit, and someone may appear). /usr/bin/jackd is a program, rather than a sound device, although it may be that the gtick UI glosses over that. <holstein> nemptor: are you running JACK? <nemptor> thanks persia <nemptor> hello holstein yes im using jack <nemptor> holstein: but i don't start jack control when i use gtick <holstein> do you start JACK? <nemptor> holstein: i having the same problem with gtick eventhough i dont start jack <holstein> right <holstein> gtick will be looking for JACK <holstein> get jack started <nemptor> holstein: its the same problem too eventhough jack is started <holstein> AH <holstein> well, i think thats one of te apps getting pulled from the metapackage <nemptor> holstein: sorry can't explain it properly here :) <holstein> the apps* <holstein> nemptor: your doing fine :) <holstein> nemptor: there is a metronome in ardour <holstein> other apps have them built in as well <holstein> its easy to throw a little drum pattern in hydrogen as well <nemptor> hmm. i know :) but i would just like to use other metronome program <nemptor> ok i think i'll use ardour for metronome <holstein> AFAIK, gtick is not being developed anymore <nemptor> oh ok thanks for that info <nemptor> thanks for all the help :) <nemptor> can i ask another question? <holstein> you can always ask whatever you want <nemptor> how can i use hydrogen in ardour? <holstein> depends on how you want to 'use' it <holstein> anything can be routed to anything in JACK <holstein> say you have 3 drum sounds <holstein> snare kick and hihat <holstein> you can tell hydrogen to use seperate outputs per sound <holstein> instead of stereo <holstein> SO you go make 3 tracks in ardour <nemptor> ok <holstein> route the outputs of hydrogen in 'connect' in JACK <nemptor> so thru jack ardour will hear hydrogen? <nemptor> ok <nemptor> ill try that now <holstein> JACK is just like a patchbay <holstein> alright... i gotta run to a session... laterx <holstein> good luck nemptor <nemptor> ok <nemptor> thanks again <holstein> good to see you persia :) <nemptor> see yah <holstein> lasconic: musescore rocks .. w00t! <lasconic> holstein: thanks <nemptor> can you give me a link for a tutorial of jack, also for ardour and hydrogen? <nemptor> bye for now thanks for the help <ryanpg> hi all, I seem to be missing most plugins and effects in audacity <ryanpg> I have a ton of ladspa plugins installed, but most (maybe all) aren't showing up, neither are the built-in ones like "normalize" <ryanpg> any thoughts? <ryanpg> this is running maverick #ubuntustudio 2010-11-03 <jbrantly_> anyone know if its plausible to use ubuntu studio in a live sound environment (for instance, to serve as an EQ between an analog mixer and the amps)? <persia> jbrantly_, It is plausible, but be aware that you'll be restricted on how much mixing you can do based on the processing capacity of the hardware. <persia> I don't think anyone has good metrics for that, and a lot of it has to do with the quality of the drivers for your audio interface (and making sure your interface can handle your mixing needs) <jbrantly_> not really interested in mixing. Looking at it more for signal processing (like an EQ) <jbrantly_> but yea, I would be concerned about the A/D conversion and latency <persia> For recent hardware, with a good interface, latency can be fairly low (<10ms). <persia> But for that kind of use, you *really* want to make sure of the AD/DA quality, and overspec your hardware by a bit, just in case. <jbrantly_> right. So top-notch A/D interface, but it sounds like it is possible. Cool. <persia> I suspect that you'd end up with similar costs to new dedicated solutions, or maybe even +5-10%, although you get to use the computer for other things when you aren't using it as an EQ :) <jbrantly_> yea, I was just thinking it might be kind of versatile. For instance, buying an interface might be cheaper than buying a graphic EQ and a parametric EQ and provide more options <persia> Might be cheaper than both, and also can act as an effects box. <jbrantly_> any thoughts on good AD/DA interfaces? I havent looked in years <persia> Just be aware that you're going to be fairly limited on how many things you can do simultaneously without pushing your latency. Some of the dedicated hardware has stuff like 8-way DSP engines. <persia> I'd recommend asking on #opensourcemusicians : there's just more folk there. I've been very happy with a focusrite saffire, but the "best" is really about what you do, and not about any specific device. <persia> Try to find some other folk who do work live: they can probably tell you which ones are *fastest*, which is what you need, even if that means some loss of quality (although you shouldn't accept too much quality loss, etc.) <jbrantly_> right. Thanks a ton for your help :) <persia> No problem. If it works for you, please tell everyone :) <loxs> is ubuntustudio suitable for deploying as a home multimedia center (as opposed to multimedia production, as ubuntustudio markets itself) <loxs> I am aiming at high quality sound <loxs> and want to do it with the least effort <persia> I generally recommend Mythbuntu for that sort of application, although there were discussions at this last UDS about making some additional media center flavours. <loxs> UDS? <persia> Ubuntu Developer Summit: the event that (kinda) plans each release. Happened last week in Orlando. <loxs> what about things like dyne:bolyc and geexbox? <persia> I suspect those are as good as the folk who make them can make them. I tend to be biased towards Ubuntu, but haven't spent any time at all making comparisons, so can't really say which is preferred. <loxs> I am too biased towards using a big established distro for this stuff <loxs> but I like the idea of running it off a usb stick <persia> You can do that with Ubuntu. <loxs> isnt mythbuntu aiming at TV? <persia> There's a tool called usb-creator that specifically creates a USB disk to either use as a bootable running environment or to install something. I don't know of anyone specifically using it for a media center, but I don't imagine significant issues as long as you have enough storage. <persia> You'll likely get a more detailed description of the mythbuntu target from #ubuntu-mythtv, but I believe so. I think it also does audio playback though. <loxs> thanks, I'll go check that channel too <loxs> I will probably use something like pulseaudio to stream sound from my other machines via wireless. I have no idea (yet) if this will bring havoc to the audio quality <loxs> so in fact I need something small to boot off the usb stick and just sit there and play sounds <rvchila> good evening! <grumbl69> hello <grumbl69> got a question about ffado <grumbl69> still nothing ? <persia> Folk should just ask questions and wait a bit :( #ubuntustudio 2010-11-04 <grumbl69> hello <grumbl69> any experts in ? <Kerio2> hello <Kerio2> i have just installed ubuntu studio and am trying to choose a rt kernel but i cant find one. is it possible to install one from synaptic? <AutoStatic> Hello Kerio2, Ubuntu Studio 10.10? <Kerio2> yes <AutoStatic> 10.10 doesn't have a realtime kernel <Kerio2> really? :( <Kerio2> could you recommend one that does? <AutoStatic> 10.04 <AutoStatic> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RealTime <Kerio2> allright, will try it! thank you for your help AutoStatic <AutoStatic> You're welcome <AutoStatic> hope it isn't too much of a bummer that you have to downgrade <Kerio2> installing on virtual machine so no biggie :) <Kerio2> trying it out before i go live <AutoStatic> :) <Kerio2> looking for a good kernel to run counter strike gameserver on <Kerio2> i have tried http://wiki.fragaholics.de/index.php/EN:Linux_Kernel_Optimization several times but i cant get it to work <Kerio2> so i am looking for other options * persia idly mentions that running an RT kernel in a VM is likely to be *slower* and have *more* latency than a -generic kernel, especially if the kernel for the host machine isn't RT (but even if it is). <Mystek> Just curious is it possible to run the jackd through a VM? <persia> Yes, but expect fairly high latency <holstein> you can dual boot easy enough <Mystek> I know, I just hate having to reboot and I tinker more with linux. <holstein> i would suspect tinkering with the VM would be more of a drag than rebooting <holstein> depending on what your trying to do <Mystek> The problem is this computer's soudncard is causing me problems in even Windows 7, otherwise I only have a legacy m-audio device <persia> Or run whatever you use less in the VM <persia> Which card? <Mystek> So I've never got much performance out of linux <Mystek> It's a Realtek HD Audio <Mystek> 7.1 <Mystek> Plus I'm running 64 bits <Mystek> So I had to basically uninstall the drivers and then let Windows handle them <Mystek> But I get a PCM error from VirtualBox and Jack crashes <persia> Try with a liveCD: that ought work fine. Realtek is getting better and better support these days. <Mystek> On Windows it was pretty glitchy until I removed the drivers <Mystek> I should try the m-audio card <persia> Yeah, well. Different driver writers, different priorities. I doubt anyone here can speak for Windows kernels. <Mystek> It's weird because OSS works I believe <Mystek> Gnome works with OSS right or is this a PulseAudio thing? <Mystek> Sorry I have a BSD background <holstein> Mystek: cool <holstein> that should serve you well <holstein> Mystek: what maudio card is it? <Mystek> Quattro <holstein> the realtik should work fine <holstein> i have one <holstein> a couple acutally <Mystek> Dualbooting? <holstein> and they work fine <holstein> nah <holstein> just ubuntu <holstein> this is where i check <holstein> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main <holstein> i usually check there <persia> By default, Ubuntu is JACK or Pulse running against an ALSA backend. <holstein> try live CD's <holstein> run lspci <holstein> aplay -l <Mystek> Ok pulseaudio is running <holstein> arecord -l <Mystek> I couldn't kill it <persia> `pulseaudio -k` should work. <holstein> try and get an idea of compatibility before installing <holstein> launching jack control should suspend pulse right? <holstein> or is that changed now in maverick? <Mystek> Ok my card came up in aplay <Mystek> JackAudioDriver33ec:265c:71fe:e26d:2682:4ec2:aaa1:99abProcessAsync: read error, skip cycle Released audio card Audio0 <Mystek> That's what happens <Mystek> In qjackctl <persia> This is on HW, or on the VM? <Mystek> And also when I run the command <Mystek> Through the VM <persia> So, first thing to hunt is the quality of the ALSA drivers for the emulated soundcard. My experience is that they tend to have limited coverage. <persia> Which soundcard are you emulating? <Mystek> card 0: I82801AAICH [Intel 82801AA-ICH], device 0: Intel ICH [Intel 82801AA-ICH] <Mystek> But I think it might have happened with the SB too? <persia> That ought be OK. Hrm. <holstein> yeah <holstein> it should <holstein> Mystek: is this maverick? <holstein> i would suggest getting a lucid live CD <persia> Which VM engine are you using? <holstein> and run those commands <Mystek> VirtualBox * persia agrees with holstein: working with real hardware is much more likely to be a pleasant experience for audio <Mystek> I guess I can just dual boot <persia> Does booting into Ubuntu work, and it only has issues in the VM? <Mystek> Not like I don't have a TB and a half :P <Mystek> Yeah it's working great in the VM <Mystek> Sound works <holstein> Mystek: run the live CD <Mystek> Just can't get Jack running <holstein> and feel free to ask questions here before you 'pull the trigger' <persia> JACK exercises the audio drivers a bit more than some other things :) <Mystek> Would using portaudio work in the VM? <Mystek> Let's see if I can compile a CS score <Mystek> I was just curious about what I could do in the VM <holstein> most anything <holstein> just slower <holstein> and probably not pro-audio <persia> Everything should work fine, to the limits of the drivers, *except* that running anything in a VM is inherently is in a separate continuity, so you won't be able to trust any timings. <holstein> ive never even considered trying it <Mystek> I was also jsut trying to see where the state of software was at. I haven't booted Linux in like years... <persia> It got better :) <Mystek> Are VSTs supported better? <holstein> linux native vst's run great ;) <persia> There's some support for foreign VSTs, under WINE, but it's a bit awkward. <holstein> ask whoever makes the vst's <Mystek> I guess it would just make more sense to dual boot <Mystek> I'm just rather busy and like to multitask <Mystek> But just playing around in here, gave me a new idea <holstein> yeah, run windows in VM ;) <Mystek> I'm not that sold on Linux <Mystek> I still like Windows for a lot of things <Mystek> A problem with Linux is that it's almost too customizable <Mystek> So you get distracted a lot and blobbing can still be an issue <Mystek> And of course noobs :] <Mystek> Or devels having to take time to support <persia> Folks who do support mostly volunteer, so don't worry about that. <holstein> yeah <holstein> nothing like JACK though <holstein> for audio <persia> In Ubuntu, we tend towards opinionated defaults: all the choice is there behind the scenes, but we're happy to tell you how we think you should do it, so you don't have to do all the customisation. <holstein> i mean, i guess you can run JACK in windows and OSX <holstein> but the supported apps are not really there <Mystek> Well, what I'm really looking to do is work with portaudio <Mystek> But also make some cool stuff in the software that's available <Mystek> Which is why I'm here <Mystek> Even though I mainly develop for Windows <holstein> Mystek: glad you found us :) <Mystek> So what's the deal with Root now, is there no root? <Mystek> I noticed I could only sudo <persia> There's a root, but nobody uses it, and it has no password by default. <persia> root mostly just owns files. <Mystek> Alright off to install. Thanks, ttyl. <royvegard> After upgrading to 10.10 I no longer have access permission to my firewire Alesis MultiMix16. <holstein> royvegard: drag <holstein> JACK wont start? <holstein> try sudo qjackctl <holstein> just to make sure its permissions <persia> (note that if this works, there's still stuff to be done, as running in sudo means clients can't connect) <holstein> yeah, you dont want to run JACK as root normally <holstein> you have to run everything else as root, and thats not ideal <holstein> have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Firewire <royvegard> sudo works, and I can change the permissions of the /dev/fw*, but whenever i turn off my mixer /dev/fw is "recreated" <holstein> this is down the page a bit echo 'KERNEL=="raw1394", GROUP="video", MODE="0664"' | <holstein> sudo tee /etc/udev/rules.d/50-raw1394.rules <holstein> you'll see it there ^^^ at that link <holstein> that and sudo adduser royvegard audio <holstein> and <holstein> sudo adduser royvegard video <holstein> *should* do the trick <royvegard> I'll try that... <holstein> royvegard: works for me with a presonus firepod <persia> We really need to track down why. Users shouldn't need to be in the audio group anymore. <holstein> persia: i havent tried not adding in maverick <royvegard> BTW it worked fine on 10.04 <holstein> royvegard: i did an upgrade from karmic to lucid <holstein> and i had to redo those changes <persia> holstein, I'm sure there's still several leftovers: the kernel bits were fixed, but would need someone digging a fair bit through all the use cases to know it's no longer needed for userspace. <holstein> persia: when i get around to doing some natty test <holstein> i'll try and remember to go step by step <holstein> and try the firepod <holstein> in between each step <holstein> see what is not needed anymore <royvegard> holstein: Doesn't seem to work. Should there be two == after KERNEL? <holstein> royvegard: you'll need to logout and back in <holstein> royvegard: and yeah, check that link <holstein> echo 'KERNEL=="raw1394", GROUP="video", MODE="0664"' | <holstein> sudo tee /etc/udev/rules.d/50-raw1394.rules <holstein> OOPS <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Firewire <holstein> its about half way down Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid Lynx) and 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) <holstein> Everything should just work if you paste this in your terminal, and reboot: <holstein> ^^ looks like that <holstein> i might have missed something in the copy and paste <royvegard> I got it to work by replacing raw1394 with fw1. <holstein> interesting <royvegard> Doy you have fw1 and fw0 in /dev ? <holstein> its very challening to keep a simple 'how-to' going <holstein> royvegard: i'll have to look <holstein> BUT, im running lucid <holstein> and that above as-is worked for my firepod <holstein> i'll look when i go boot everything up here in a while <royvegard> When I was running lucid it worked fine and I never checked if I had fw0 and fw1. It would be interesting to see if you have them, or if you only have raw1394. <persia> That's probably a side effect of the new FW stack, which is a good thing, because it can tell the difference between different device classes. <holstein> OH <holstein> maybe a step toward using multiple FW devices again :) <persia> Precisely. I think that landed for maverick, but I haven't played with it much yet (my firewire disk enclosure is somewhere in the boxes yet to be unpacked from my recent move) <Nils^> hey. Next version without seq24, lilypond and audacity? <persia> That's the current idea. All three will be available on demand, just not present by default. <persia> seq24 is an *excellent* live sequencer. <persia> But there doesn't seem to be that many live users: most seem to want to use a sequencer for composition, and other tools are heatherjohnson@example.com. <holstein> Nils^: nothing is getting pulled from the repos <persia> lilypond produces beautiful scores, but it's been historically hard to maintain, and musescore has some handy features that make it easier for folks new to the tools. <persia> I forget why audacity was being dropped: someone might want to write up a use case for cleaning up audio to get it back. #ubuntustudio 2010-11-05 <its-me-again> hi all i am wondering if Hydrogen drumb machine has any auto tracks, bets stc built into it. <its-me-again> hi all i am wondering if Hydrogen drumb machine has any auto tracks, bets stc built into it. <persia> I believe it doesn't. http://www.tweakheadz.com/how_to_make_original_drum_tracks.htm has a good attitude about how to generate something that sounds somewhat nice. <kop> after upgrade to 10.04 ubuntu studio all of the desktop is missing and the /etc/apt/sources.list is near empty wth are/is the repos for ubuntu studio ? <astraljava> kop: Same as vanilla Ubuntu. #ubuntustudio 2010-11-06 <Semitones> funkyHat!!!! <Semitones> fancy seeing you here <Semitones> :) <Semitones> hello everybody! <Semitones> I'm buying a midi controller for USB for my laptop and midi keyboard -- do all of them generally work with ubuntu/ubuntu studio? or are there some to get or avoid? <holstein> Semitones: hey <holstein> i have an maudio <holstein> out of the box support <holstein> you dont have to buy it at a box store <holstein> BUT maybe you can take a laptop in and just make sure what your looking at works <holstein> OR make sure you can return it <holstein> just in case <nimbiotics> Hello all. Using ubuntu 10.10 I followed the instructions found at (http://tinyurl.com/3a3r2vl), I added the last four lines to my 'default.pa' (http://pastebin.com/4k5aFrnd) in order to permanently merge a sink and a source, but its not working. I got the source and sink names with 'pacmd info' (http://pastebin.com/s8EdwEsr) I beg your help to figure this out, TIA! <Semitones> holstein, thanks, the stores where I live are very limited when it comes to midi stuff, but that's great to hear that yours was supported out of the box <holstein> hey nimbiotics <holstein> what are you trying to do? <nimbiotics> all i want to do is be able to record certain phone calls i make thru google voice. the instructions worked fine, excepti I cant make the changes persistent <nimbiotics> holstein: all i want to do is be able to record certain phone calls i make thru google voice. the instructions worked fine, excepti I cant make the changes persistent <holstein> i know [lsd] over in #opensourcemusicians used skype with his podcast <holstein> that would have been with JACK <holstein> maybe you just need to script something <holstein> and have it run at startup <holstein> nimbiotics: is this for podcasting purposes? <nimbiotics> yes, i run a radio show. at home or office we've no problem but when im on the road i use google voice a lot and I need to record (and many times transcript) lots of interviews <holstein> we've been using mumble <holstein> http://mumble.sourceforge.net/ <holstein> nice cross platform, low-latency kind of thing <nimbiotics> i figured that much, i use it at home to play over the lan <holstein> with JACK support on the way <holstein> and an android client in beta :) <nimbiotics> cool <holstein> nimbiotics: SO, you have to be streaming? <holstein> while in google talk? <holstein> can you just be in Gtalk <nimbiotics> recording <holstein> and run a recorder beside it <nimbiotics> what is Gtalk? <holstein> google voice or whatever <holstein> you got google voice running alreayd <holstein> already* <holstein> can you just fire up audacity? <holstein> and record? <nimbiotics> yes but i can only get ONE side of the conversation so I've searched and searched and finaly hit something that works (http://tinyurl.com/3a3r2vl); I just cannot make the changes permanent even though it is explained in the tutorial <holstein> nimbiotics: which side? <holstein> your side? <nimbiotics> holstein: i can get either <holstein> ask around over in #opensourcemusicians <holstein> i know they do it <holstein> and ive never needed to make it work <holstein> more than what we do with mumble <nimbiotics> ok, thanks a lot, at least you gave me a hint, im geting scolded by ohsix at #pulseaudio <holstein> ;) <nimbiotics> mumble is a GREAT product, I've been using it for over a year just to play over the lan at home with my son and neighbors. I love the fact that the server is light as feather <holstein> and easy to get going <nimbiotics> yes it is <holstein> cross platform clients :) <nimbiotics> agaian, THANKS A BUNCH & ttyl! <holstein> nimbiotics: laterx <der_On> hello there <der_On> I'm having problems getting midi to work with my ubuntu studio <der_On> Using MuseScore Midi seems to work, but using rosegarden no midi track can be heared. I tried using timidity's interface to load and play back a midi file but nothing either <der_On> I have the soundfonts installed and tried using rosegarden and timidity with and without jack <der_On> well I got it working using qsynth now. <holstein> hey der_On <holstein> thats what im familiar with <holstein> loading soundfonts in qsynth <holstein> check out http://wootangent.net/category/music/tutorials/ <der_On> holstein: do you know rosegarden well? <der_On> Ive just have another problem. I have a metronom running using qsynth now and trying to record multiple audio tracks, but somehow things get out of sync <holstein> der_On: i have minimal experience in rosegarden <holstein> BUT check out #opensourcemusicians <der_On> holstein: thx #ubuntustudio 2010-11-07 <nimbiotics> ive got ubuntu 10.10 installed. can i install ubuntu studio on top of it w/o losing anything? TIA! <holstein> hey nimbiotics <holstein> you can just install what you want <holstein> from the repos <holstein> IF you want to install one of the meta-packages <holstein> you can do that <holstein> you can search in synaptic for ubuntustudio <holstein> and READ about them <nimbiotics> i dnt know much about this, but i think ive got to replace pulseaudio. how do i do that? <holstein> nimbiotics: nah <holstein> you dont <holstein> for example <nimbiotics> its all messed up <holstein> there is a metapackage <holstein> ubuntustudio-audio <holstein> you install that <holstein> and you get JACK and ardour <holstein> and other goodies <holstein> ubuntustudio-audio-plugins <holstein> those are the audio plugins <nimbiotics> will it replace pulseaudio? <holstein> no <nimbiotics> how can i replace pulseaudio? <holstein> you will have to trouble shoot that separately <holstein> what is the issue? <nimbiotics> long story ... <nimbiotics> have been trying to merge a sink and a source and after all the testing ive done, all ive got is messdup stuff <holstein> well, i would probably google 'ubuntu maverick 10.10 remove pulse audio' <holstein> you dont really replace it <holstein> JACK will run usually regardless <holstein> but, thats not really the purpose of JACK <nimbiotics> i dnt want to make my life more complicated, all i need to do is be able to record phone calls i make thru google voice <holstein> nimbiotics: OH <holstein> i remember you ;) <holstein> you didnt just script that? <nimbiotics> yes, we were talking last nite <holstein> just script it, and put a shortcut on the desktop <nimbiotics> now i cant even create the loopbacks i need cause i get an error (Connection failure: Connection terminated) <nimbiotics> so not even the scripts will do <holstein> i suppose you could try reinstalling pulse <holstein> no reason why you need to replace pulse <holstein> BUT you can get rid of it <nimbiotics> i woudl like to completley remove it and reinstall, how can i do that? <holstein> removing pulse is tricky <holstein> i would try selecting it in synaptic <holstein> and select 'reinstall' <holstein> and see how that goes <nimbiotics> ok, hope that works, ty <holstein> i would read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio <holstein> ACTUALLY, if it were me, i would just reinstall ;) <holstein> BUT, if i wanted to try and repair, i would read that ^^ <holstein> prolly take me about 15 minutes to reinstall ubuntu <nimbiotics> i uninstalled pulseaudio, deleted default.pa and am installing again ... will let you know <nimbiotics> well, lloks like it worked <holstein> sweet :) <nimbiotics> will take me a while to test further <nimbiotics> thanks again ... i will most surely bother you again in a while <holstein> hehe <holstein> nimbiotics: i'll probably be here :) <nimbiotics> hope so. so far you've been my only angel <holstein> lol <memothejanitor> hi is there an app on ubuntu studio like the software manager on reg ubuntu? <memothejanitor> so i can install custom packages <WACOMalt> Heyo folks. I am having an issue with my recent Ubuntu Studio 10.10 install. The install went fine, but on boot I first get an error about missing dependencies.dep, but that seems to not cause anything. After that I get the loading screen with some graphical glitches on the right hand side. After that (only one letter in) the full screen turns to graphical glitches <WACOMalt> I'm assuming graphics issues. I'm on a Nvidia 250 GT <WACOMalt> is anyone actually active in here? I hate lurkers... <WACOMalt> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_2KCPeH1nc <WACOMalt> PLEASE SOMEONE HELP WITH THIS <WACOMalt> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_2KCPeH1nc <WACOMalt> help please <WACOMalt> Is there anybody out there? <WACOMalt> Just nod if you can hear me <WACOMalt> Is there anyone at home? <WACOMalt> Why are these 23 people in the chatroom? Sign out when you arent talking... jesus <WACOMalt> Come on, now <WACOMalt> I here you're feeling down <WACOMalt> Well I can ease your pain, get you on your feet again. <WACOMalt> There is no pain you are recieving <WACOMalt> and screw it.. later folks. Sorry for the spam, but testing for any live ones in here. <WACOMalt> laters. <WACOMalt> Hi folks :p I'm back! <WACOMalt> and looks like some of you may be too now! <holstein> WACOMalt: i had that error once <holstein> luckily i had an older kernel around <WACOMalt> really? <WACOMalt> oh god that sounds complicated to fix... <holstein> i booted in with an older kernel <holstein> and reinstalled the problematice kernel <holstein> and all was good <holstein> good news is <holstein> this is not ubuntustudio specific <holstein> SO you can find help anywhere <holstein> but, that worked for me <WACOMalt> ok awesome. Now... I dont have an older kernel... <WACOMalt> so how can I go about this? <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1592062 <WACOMalt> problem is... <holstein> im not sure <WACOMalt> My system doesnt boot <holstein> i never have only one kernel around for long <holstein> its a good idea to have a couple <holstein> IF you get an update to the new one <holstein> which is what happened to me <holstein> i got an update to a recent generic kernel <holstein> i think i booted into a realtime kernel i had as well <holstein> to fix it <holstein> WACOMalt: thats a good question though <holstein> i think you can boot into that recorvery mode <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=157250 <holstein> anyhow, in this channel <holstein> you need to allow a couple hours or a day for a response <holstein> BUT, that error is general <holstein> and related to the generic kernel <WACOMalt> gotcha. So forums are better probably <holstein> SO you should be able to get that sorted out in another more active channel <holstein> IF the above info doesnt do it for you :) <holstein> the email list is quite active as well <WACOMalt> ok, awesome <WACOMalt> thanks so much! <holstein> good luck :) <WACOMalt> I was able to boot into recovery! <WACOMalt1> meaning kernel is fine? just a graphics driver issue maybe? <WACOMalt1> booted with failsafe graphics just fine <holstein> WACOMalt: hey <holstein> progress :) <WACOMalt1> yus! <WACOMalt1> installing graphics drivers <holstein> WACOMalt: did you make a custom xorg.cof? <holstein> conf* <holstein> WACOMalt: OH <WACOMalt1> not yet <holstein> yeah, thats a good start <holstein> nvidia can be a pain <holstein> i just use the open one <holstein> i used a knoppix live CD <WACOMalt1> I mean failsafe is the full kernel and everything right? So these drivers are likely the issue if I'm booting fine in failsafe graphics? <WACOMalt1> I like nvidias graphics. never had an issue <holstein> to generate me an xorg.conf <holstein> and i force the open nvidia drive <holstein> maybe nvu? <holstein> i forget <holstein> its been a while :) <WACOMalt1> lol <WACOMalt1> well Ima try this first <holstein> WACOMalt1: i think thats a safe assumption <holstein> and, you should be able to use the nvidia drivers with the generic kernel <holstein> without issue <holstein> i did some tests, and got the nvidia drivers installed on my hardware <holstein> i had some issues with the realtime kernel then <holstein> so i went back to the other one <holstein> theres a patch now though <WACOMalt> what is the realtime kernel? <holstein> my audio rig is on lucid <WACOMalt> that is a new one to me <holstein> WACOMalt: theres not a realtime kernel for maverick right now <WACOMalt> maverick? <WACOMalt> oh dur <holstein> WACOMalt: thats what your running right? <holstein> maverick? <holstein> 10.10? <WACOMalt> yah <WACOMalt> what is the realtime kernel? <holstein> bacically allows lower latency <holstein> for audio recording <holstein> becoming unecessary though <WACOMalt> I need that. Older PC here <holstein> with the progress of the generic kernel <WACOMalt> I use ASIO 4all on my windows side <holstein> and the -lowlatency one <WACOMalt> and of course coreaudio on my OSX side <holstein> WACOMalt: you probably dont *need* it <holstein> if you want to plug a guitar in <WACOMalt> I am planning to do Midi control boards <WACOMalt> those like to haeva lot of lag <holstein> and use ubuntu as a realtime effect processor <holstein> yeah, or that <holstein> WACOMalt: midi triggering <holstein> well, you can come back to lucid if you need it :) <WACOMalt> All I know is on windows It had lag without ASIO and on OSX it had lag without coreaudio <WACOMalt> lol <holstein> probably wont though <WACOMalt> why isnt the realtime kernel on maverick yet? <holstein> pretty sure the -lowlatency one is in the repos <holstein> WACOMalt: theres not a yet <holstein> it wont be there <holstein> ever <WACOMalt> thought that was a big part of studio? <holstein> unless there is a PPA <holstein> and there is one <WACOMalt> ? <holstein> but its not ready yet <holstein> and its challenging work maintaining it <WACOMalt> gotcha <holstein> and like i said, the need for it is becoming less all the time <WACOMalt> well I'll see how this goers <WACOMalt> hope I can find drivers for the USB midi on my yamaha keyboard <holstein> yeah <holstein> check out #opensourcemusicians if you get a chance :) <holstein> WACOMalt: in the future <holstein> you can use a live CD <holstein> and run lspci <holstein> and lsusb <holstein> and test all te hardware <holstein> the* <holstein> you wont be able to install all the ubuntustudio metapackges in ram ;) <holstein> but you can get an idea of hardware support <WACOMalt> okeedoke <WACOMalt> thanks man <holstein> WACOMalt: anytime * holstein gotta run... BBL <WACOMalt> Ok, I'm off to install all my provideo apps :P <WACOMalt> cya #ubuntustudio 2010-11-08 <clave> hello, i m pretty new in ubuntu and i dont know what program should I use to play with my MIDI controler #ubuntustudio 2010-11-09 <peeps[work]> are there any applications capable of converting video to animated gif, besides gimp gap? <holstein> peeps[work]: i bet there is <holstein> i have only used the gimp for that though <peeps[work]> holstein, do you know the difference between "Extract Videorange" and the "Mplayer based extraction" options? what libraries does extract videorange use? it never seems to recognize my videos <peeps[work]> using gimp gap is so unwieldy <holstein> you might want to pose that to the email list <holstein> i learned enough to make a couple animated gifs <holstein> and didnt need to do anymore <holstein> peeps[work]: you do audio work as well? <peeps[work]> not in this case, why? <holstein> theres a good channel <holstein> with smart folk <holstein> not necessarily all audio <holstein> #opensourcemusicians <holstein> theres a couple guys doing screen casts and other video projects <holstein> someone may know more about what your looking for over there <Herr-Samsa> Hi, I'd like to know what the default sound server setup on ubuntu studio is. <Herr-Samsa> Is it jack + pulse plugged into jack? <Herr-Samsa> And how does that work with flash? I would suppose it doesn't work out of the box. <combusean> i dont think jack runs unless you start it <combusean> but yes pulse is the underlying bit to it <combusean> jack does not play nice with pulse <combusean> flash and audio is generally pretty crappy imho <combusean> I've experienced a lot of random cutouts with it on my box <combusean> as soon as you run jack control on my box you dont get flash audio <toe_> having problems with my printer - Usb Hp K60 looked for the hpoj insynaptic but nothing <holstein> hey toe_ <toe_> the machine reconizes it but when i send a job to it nothing , hows it going * holstein looking <holstein> toe_: did you see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3568 ?? <holstein> Remove hpoj, re-install HPLIP and the printer should function. <holstein> ^^ from that link <holstein> this is from 2007 though <holstein> also http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareIndex.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodNameId=20494&prodTypeId=18972&prodSeriesId=24365&swLang=8&taskId=135&swEnvOID=2020 <holstein> hmmm <holstein> http://tinyurl.com/25p2smy <holstein> sorry, that link was larger than i thought :) <toe_> ok so now what to do <holstein> toe_: is this lucid? <holstein> 10.04? <toe_> 10.10 maverick meerkat <toe_> i moved on forward with the site , i know this is ubunu but i think its debain based so would i put in for os ubuntu anyway <toe_> nevermind i guess ill go for the 10.04 <holstein> i would probably try that first <holstein> see if you get a .deb <holstein> BUT <holstein> we should check the repo for an hplip <holstein> i have it <holstein> i hplip - HP Linux Printing and Imaging System (HPLI <holstein> might have to enable the multiverse repo <holstein> or whatever the kids are calling it these days ;) <holstein> the repo with the extra goodies in it <toe_> ok <toe_> how would i go about that <holstein> i would fire up synaptic <holstein> search for hplip <holstein> IF you dont see it <holstein> go to settings - repositories <holstein> and look at the checkboxes <holstein> let me see if i can find info on what repo that package is in <toe_> all are selected except source code which i dont need cause i only remeber basic & qbasic commands and a few php <holstein> ok <holstein> so you should see it then <toe_> im trying the hpllp first <toe_> unless you recommend doing both <holstein>
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