#ubuntu-us-nc 2011-07-01
<_marx_> MarkB1: i'll do an email bump for ubuntu hour in winston, 7-9 see that BugeyeD
<_marx_> plug, you know the kenmelvin list
<jack_^> anybody want a google+ invite?
<holstein> jack_^: o/
<holstein> at least i think i do...
<holstein> mikeh789 at the gmail
<jack_^> pm me your email addy
 * holstein high-fives jack_^ :)
<jack_^> holstein: kk i attempted to invite you
<holstein> jack_^: yeah... i think im in
<jack_^> good deal
<holstein> jack_^: thanks
<Jester_>  Hey have any of you got a wusb54gs usb network adapter to work on ubuntu 10.04? I have been searching for a good write-up for days and everything I have tried does not work.
<holstein> Jester_: hows it work with ndiswrapper?
<Jester_> I can install the driver but the device is not recognized
<MarkB1> _marx_: ???
<_marx_> well the wiki remains incredibly slow
<_marx_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NorthCarolinaTeam/Events/WinstonHour?highlight=%28CategoryNorthCarolinaTeamUpcomingEvents%29|%28^NorthCarolinaTeam%2FEvents%2F.*%29
<_marx_> MarkB1: ^
<_marx_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hour
<MarkB1> _marx_: thanks
<MarkB1> any developers (Ubu, python, anything) ever show up for these? or sysadmins?
<_marx_> BugeyeD does python and is definitely a sysadmin
<MarkB1> do you know where he works?  winston area?
<MarkB1> _marx_: I may catch up w/you all on 9 july (usually, working on 1032 L.Lane for showing)
<bac> hi MarkB1
<MarkB1> bac: howdy Brad
<jack__> holstein: was my video choppy at all? im running this on an old machine and my load is through the roof
<holstein> jack__: nah... it was smooth
<jack__> good deal
<holstein> webcam looking, but smooth
 * milleja46 works with python right now :P (with pyqt of course :D)
<MarkB1> not many folks I know complain about Python -- esp. if they come from PHP, Java et al
<MarkB1> I did 1 yr of perl, after 1 - 2 yrs of Python -- painful
<milleja46> after seeing python vb.net is painful
<milleja46> python, vb.net*
<_marx_> wow, lowes.com has crashed
<MarkB1> _marx_: no wow, I used to work 4 them -- a lot of NIH java tech -- at least they used vanilla WebSphere
#ubuntu-us-nc 2011-07-02
<BugeyeD> _marx_: if i'm in town (questionable at this point), i'll suck down some java sure
<BugeyeD> MarkB1: wow, biggers ... haven't seen that name in awhile. :)
<BugeyeD> MarkB1: i work in winston at 5-points (stratford/1st/miller/country club). i'm a sysadmin among other things, and use python daily.
<_marx_> you don't do any python eh BugeyeD
<BugeyeD> MarkB1: doesn't make me good at python necessarily, and i certainly don't consider myself a developer. i just write my own tools.
<BugeyeD> _marx_: love python. just saw in the scrollback someone mentioning folks not complaining about python if they'd come from another language.
<BugeyeD> _marx_: i was a perl captive for years. i now *hate* dealing with perl. python has me somewhat spoiled.
<BugeyeD> of course there's nothing necessarily wrong with perl - but python does seem to fit me better.
<BugeyeD> _marx_: i'm wearing a morningdew shirt today. didn't get a chance to walk into a starbucks. :)
<_marx_> ah that would have been cool :)
<_marx_> hell were it to krankies; i think there's a rift there
<BugeyeD> i visit krankies sometimes, but mostly just the airstream and the owner of that is an old friend. i do downtown when you call mostly. :)
<_marx_> the airstream on reynolda?
<BugeyeD> MarkB1: were you one of the friends-of-zope awhile back? if so, you still doing that? and is that why you asked about python devs?
<BugeyeD> _marx_: yup. tommy priest runs that thing. at least i think he does. he seems to be in charge, and i think he does the facebook page too.
<_marx_> oh i guess that is easy to get to from where you work
<_marx_> i hit the dt one when working in old salem or at gateway
<BugeyeD> MarkB1: i tried getting into plone, and loved it but skinning it for customers was rediculously intricate (5 books later, i know that it takes something like 5 languages to do a good job of it - or at least it used to).
<BugeyeD> MarkB1: despite my hatred/distrust for php, i've been using concrete5 cms for customers and have been happy so far.
<BugeyeD> _marx_: yeah, it's like a 2 minute drive including stoplights. i still get the same thing - a double macchiato sweetened a bit. good stuff. not at all what starbucks sells.
 * BugeyeD is settling down with a little vino now, and will contemplate a krankies' macchiato tomorrow morning ... caffeine and python. num num num.
#ubuntu-us-nc 2011-07-05
<Nivex> Zareason vs. System76. Compare/contrast. Any other such vendors?
<holstein> ive always wanted a system76 box
<holstein> ive heard great things about zareason though
<Nivex> it's about $500 for the 10" netbook I've spec'd out (delta $23 between the two vendors)
<holstein> i never looked into any others, besides HP and dell or whatever
<Nivex> Dell won't get another dime from me
<holstein> it challening
<holstein> i went with an asus i found on craigslist
<holstein> next big machine purchase i make will be system76 though
<Nivex> I have an Asus eeePC I got from woot. 9" screen is a bit small, and the flash on it is the first gen which is sloooooow
<holstein> i got one of those too
<holstein> this is a 10 inch
<holstein> 1.6, gig of ram
<holstein> the usual
<Nivex> I was thinking the 10" netbook would replace it and my 15" laptop.
<holstein> it did for me
<Nivex> since I rarely need such a beast anymore
<holstein> i have an early HP mininote too
<Nivex> having the extra screen real estate is occasionally nice
<holstein> with an express card slot
<holstein> i use that with my firewire device for audio recording
<holstein> i dont mix on it, but i probably could do a bit, and tracking on it works great
<holstein> i got this EEE 1001p on craigslist for $150
<holstein> battery is still great
<holstein> like 6 hours
<Nivex> my dad got one of the 10" eee's from newegg on sale.
<Nivex> my big thing is I want SSD rather than HDD.
<Nivex> That's probably the big price driver
<Nivex> smallest flash you can get is 40GB
<Nivex> 10x bigger than what's in my current eee :)
<holstein> hehe
<holstein> my old eee900 is an appliance now
<holstein> its a synth module pretty much
<holstein> i got it booting an SD card
<Nivex> hmm, I suppose that's a thought
<Nivex> though this thing is kind of due for a refresh
<holstein> the battery did me in on it
<holstein> i could have got a new battery for $50-70
<holstein> $150 got me a nice new-ish machine
<holstein> bigger keyboard and screen, and that 6 hour batter is handy
#ubuntu-us-nc 2011-07-07
 * _marx_ latest grandma hasn't complained much
<_marx_> she booked her cruise for october
<holstein> pig fish eyes move with spam
<_marx_> akgraner: please email me soon
<_marx_> maybe i am blind but there are very few new users in nc
<_marx_> analytics show very low
<_marx_> linux desktop adoption capped out a year or two ago; imho unity has not helped
<_marx_> desktop usage, imho
<_marx_> it needed some huge gains over the last decade; which have not materialized
<_marx_> do your research; ibm quit a few years ago
<_marx_> can you say niche desktop?
<_marx_> what corporation is going to roll out the current?
<_marx_> zero
<_marx_> new users what a joke; no way in hell i'll hand out a 11.04 livecd
<_marx_> yes i know this is a logged channel
<_marx_> there are very few daily users on our team's mailing list
<_marx_> mostly it's geeks and devels
<_marx_> do any of you recruit?
<_marx_> i do not
<_marx_> it is not worth the effort
<_marx_> i support a couple of grandmas
<_marx_> my own shit
<_marx_> fuckina log it
<_marx_> 2 49 am your kids should be in bed
<_marx_> choice went somewhere
<_marx_> i'll see if i can find her
<_marx_> desktop team should be fired imo; oh i'll be at the next uds
<_marx_> we certainly do need more acronyms
<_marx_> my email addresses are well known.
<_marx_> when channel ownership needs to change someone can use one of those addresses
<_marx_> out here
<_marx_> now i am going to remain rudely the op
<_marx_> as i own the channel
<_marx_> i WANT someone else to take over
<_marx_> soon
<_marx_> i am tired
<_marx_> see the nc team mailing list email i just sent
<_marx_> later
<akgraner> Hi all  - sorry I haven't been around was without internet at the house for about 10 days (lightning storms)...and since I can't drive yet I was a bit stuck
<akgraner> I'll go through all my email today and get caught up
<internalkernel> hi akgraner
<akgraner> internalkernel, hi
<internalkernel> been awhile...
<akgraner> yep
<internalkernel> I been on the road until last week pretty much...
<akgraner> silly fractured knee business
<internalkernel> did you make SELF? I read something about that on facebook... how did you do that?
<akgraner> it's really limited what I can and can't do
<internalkernel> I can imagine... knees are rather... mmm... important
<akgraner> coupldn't make it
<akgraner> I can't drive yet
<internalkernel> not even with the other foot?
<internalkernel> lol... I had to do that once...
<akgraner> when I fell on the way back from UDS I fractured the stablizer bone in my knee
<internalkernel> it wasn't pretty... and it scared me... :)
<akgraner> and found out the left side of my right knee the muscle is gone...and won't help keep the knee cap in place so if any weight is put on it the bottom of my right left wants to turn inward to the left
<akgraner> so physical therapy 3 times a week
<akgraner> on crutches for another 3 or 4 weeks min...maybe more
<internalkernel> holy... omg, that is hard core...
<akgraner> and today I go to be fitted for custom braces
<internalkernel> I would suggest acupuncture... ;) but you're so far away...
<akgraner> internalkernel, y'all can come for a visit
<internalkernel> haha, true that!
<akgraner> see the new house we'll supply dinner you can supply the acupuncture
<akgraner> :-)
<internalkernel> the mother in law is coming into town today... :/  but maybe after, I'll bring it up... it would be good to see you guys and J-fizzle...
<Nivex> wait, he fizzled?
<akgraner> I'm actually in Asheville once a week from now until sept
<internalkernel> ohh... drop a line on the next visit...
<akgraner> maybe I can just make a day of it - if my driver can spend the day with me in Asheville
<internalkernel> J-fizzle.... my dizzle, drizzle
<Nivex> fo shizzle
<internalkernel> my nizzle
<axisofentropy> that _marx_ guy has some nerd rage
<internalkernel> axisofentropy: what is nerd rage?
<axisofentropy> that was p much it
<internalkernel> lol... I like that comment nerd rage... Im going with it...
<internalkernel> nerd... rage...
<internalkernel> Raaar... I'm the channel OP! I OWN IT!
<internalkernel> =D
<BugeyeD> i think nerd rage in this case is really just life rage. been rough for some of us for awhile.
<akgraner> internalkernel, holstein lets try and meet before the end of the month in Asheville....
<holstein> akgraner: sure... when are you over here ?
<akgraner> we can flag your nicks with all the right permissions and stuff and I Can transfer team contact to one of you all and let Canonical know etc
<holstein> cool... you have channel ops akgraner ?
<akgraner> as well as request all the "give-a-away" stuff so we are up to date for one of you all to take over as contacts
<holstein> or someone else does?
<akgraner> yep I have ops as well
<holstein> i know i made a bunch of facebook page ops
<akgraner> we can give more people ops as well...I just need to figure out who needs it
<akgraner> I only wanted to change the topic etc
<holstein> yeah.. just a few in case
<akgraner> but you know how it works but there are some short cuts I can show you all as well etc
<holstein> sure... im in
<akgraner> holstein, I am at VA every Thursday
<akgraner> from like 9-noon
<holstein> we can meet after that one thursday if that works for you
<holstein> that would be fine with me almost any thursday
<akgraner> yep will let you know
<akgraner> 3rd week I'll be in SC with Becca for American Idol tryouts
<holstein> COOL
<akgraner> so it will have to be after that
<akgraner> and I have signed copies of the new Ubuntu Book for you and internalkernel
<akgraner> thanks for always encouraging me!
<holstein> thats cool too... i was thinking about officially going through the channels to ask for one anyways
<akgraner> Yep we get a copy
<akgraner> as a team :-)
<holstein> GO TEAM!
<akgraner> but I get extras to help promote it as I am listed as one of the writers :-)
<akgraner> like on the cover of the book and everything :-)
 * akgraner is so freakin' happy about that!
<akgraner> and I should have an article promoting it coming out very soon as well
<akgraner> holstein, I'll give the link as soon as it is published
<holstein> i know... i saw your name on it and i was proud :)
#ubuntu-us-nc 2011-07-08
<internalkernel> RAAAR... *grumble* *grumble* RAAAAR...
<akgraner> holstein, I just answered Mark's email to the team
<akgraner> let me know if that sounds like a solid plan to you...
<akgraner> I don't think it will be that difficult to get this back up and going
<akgraner> I have more time these days, and can help get the organizing done and help out with anyone who wants to seek ubuntu membership and mentor those who would like to do for membership and also help people learn about the ins and outs of the greater Ubuntu Community
<holstein> akgraner: yeah... agreed
<holstein> the launchpad team idea is great
<holstein> then, the leadership is not a person, its that team
<akgraner> exactly :-)
<bladernr> woo... akgraner FTW :-)
#ubuntu-us-nc 2011-07-09
<_marx_> new compiz; loading flounder up to try to induce a lockup
<_marx_> only channel owner can op
<_marx_> or give op status
<_marx_> okay the command works
<holstein> hey _marx_ :)
<_marx_> dude
<holstein> sorry you're having such a rough time of it
<holstein> we'll be here though whenever you get things more stable :)
<_marx_> slowly sinking
<_marx_> just sent email to the team list
<holstein> yeah... i just read it
<_marx_> work in hickory next week gotta find something that doesn't require so much driving
<_marx_> after a 0 hr week and a 12 hr week I'll take it
<_marx_> holstein: you want the channel?
<holstein> sure, im usually around
<holstein> and i manage another channel
<_marx_> okay, let me look at my logs to find out how to change that
<_marx_> gotta storm coming through and i need to go be nice to su
<_marx_> spousal unit
<holstein> sure
<_marx_> damn tired of looking at ribeyes and buying canned tuna
<_marx_> bl
<BugeyeD> 2nd gargantuan storm of the day. loud and obnoxious. i love it - wish i could be camping right now ...
<_marx_> nice rain keeping the garden wet
<_marx_> hum betty ford has died; the fords have a house just down the road from me
<_marx_> one of the sons anyway
<_marx_> wow, $5k bid email reply, can you come by tomorrow?...
<BugeyeD> _marx_: do it. i'd take $5k over coffee any day.
<_marx_> nah, scheduled for later
<_marx_> don't know how i'd cover the materials though
<BugeyeD> gi irritant at 0900?
<BugeyeD> isn't that called "advance" ?
<_marx_> home row
<_marx_> half up front is tough
<_marx_> i usually do 1/3
<_marx_> but
<_marx_> i want it; lots more work on that house
<_marx_> easily triple for everything that needs to be done
<_marx_> drink some coffee and go sell
<_marx_> not my forte as it often includes lies
#ubuntu-us-nc 2011-07-10
<_marx_> ping holstein
<holstein> _marx_: yo
<holstein> im out at the gig right now
<holstein> just checking in :)
<_marx_> thought you might be
<_marx_> ping me in the am
<holstein> am?
<holstein> like morning?
<holstein> i dont do mornings ;)
<holstein> i should be on around noon
<holstein> maybe a bit earlier
<_marx_> yes, i grok that we have different mornings
<_marx_> i meant your morning
<_marx_> see i'm going to bed in about 20 minutes :)
 * _marx_ trying to get used to unity
<_marx_> and still just doesn't get it
<holstein> _marx_: i got a minute right now
<holstein> im using gnome still, and im planning on using XFCE
<holstein> thats what ubuntustudio is going to
<holstein> unity will get better as soon as customizations kick in
<holstein> which'll be soon
<holstein> i think the idea of it is great, and im glad ubuntu has its own thing
<holstein> im not planning on using it
<holstein> i was a little dissapointed when i actually tried unity and gnome3
<holstein> i feel like its a bit more of a duplication of effort than is necessary
 * BugeyeD updating lapdance to 11.04 now, will see what this unity thing is all about. assuming it will run on my 2005 centrino hardware.
<BugeyeD> unity is rock bottom on the one desktop machine i tried it on before; i don't build boxes with nice graphics because i'm accustomed to staring an an xterm.
<BugeyeD> every update thus far has broken video for me, so i fully expect more of the same.
<holstein> unity is actually pretty light weight
<holstein> not like LXDE light... but light-ish
<holstein> and theres a 2d version i havent tried yet
<BugeyeD> i'm sure the 2d would be required in my case
<BugeyeD> gotta go find something else to do ... what few hairs i have left are getting ever more grey watching the upgrade process ...
<holstein> yeah... i spent about 24hours waiting one 11.10 to upgrade, and now its not booting ;)
<BugeyeD> mine came back. video looks ok so far, so i'm a little shocked.
<BugeyeD> 'ubuntu' complains that i don't have hardware for unity, and sends me to 'classic mode' which is just gnome.
<BugeyeD> also have 'netbook edition 2d' which appears to be what i was running before - probably something i installed myself and is left over from prior to the upgrade.
<holstein> yeah, you need to install unity2d afterwards
<BugeyeD> holstein: yup, 'unity-2d' did it. seems to be a decent thing to include by default.
<holstein> well, you would think it would default to unity2d instead of gnome
<holstein> i think thats the idea going forward
<holstein> those are really 2 totally different things though
<holstein> i cant imaging them maintaing them both for very long
<BugeyeD> yep. thanks for the pointer. probably wouldn't have googled it, would have just gone without. at least now i get to see it.
<holstein> i think it'll just be normal unity, and you'll have to tweak if you dont have 3d
<holstein> they look and act the same though AFAIK
<BugeyeD> where are the prefs? trying to figure out keyboard shortcuts and can't seem to find my own arse ...
<holstein> BugeyeD: hang on...
<BugeyeD> of course. found it *right* after i asked ...
<BugeyeD> it shows up under 'all apps'
<holstein> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/ubuntu-unity-keyboard-shortcuts.html
<holstein> i was using that when i was trying to stay in unity for a bit
<BugeyeD> i hope i'm missing something here - that's an unintelligent way to get there
<holstein> i just set that as my wallpaper
<BugeyeD> heh
<BugeyeD> looking a lot like osx
<BugeyeD> not a bad thing from a desktop perspective.
<BugeyeD> the background image thing is a good idea, but some of the hints don't appear to work for me, such as auto-tiling and such.
<holstein> BugeyeD: they could be different from 2d to 3d
<holstein> which would be just slackness i think
<_marx_> holstein: is it mid-morning yet?
 * _marx_ has log files going back to '07
#ubuntu-us-nc 2011-07-11
 * BugeyeD has stuff on my local server going back to Jul 29  2006; older stuff is on tape. somewhere.
<holstein> _marx_: sorry... i had a couple concerts today, and i got busy
<_marx_> holstein: no worrries we'll get to it
<holstein> _marx_: now im around
<holstein> AFAIK, you just adjust my flags for the channel
<holstein> you can run /msg chanserv info #ubuntu-us-nc
<holstein> also, you can run /msg chanserv info #wnclug to see how i have my channel setup as far as founders
<holstein> im not authorized to run /msg chanserv flags #ubuntu-us-nc ,but you should be able to
<holstein> i remember i made 3 other people just have the same flags as i had +votsriRfAF
<holstein> i remember it being like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IRC/Channel_access_and_configuration_guide
<holstein>  /msg Chanserv flags #CHANNEL_NAME USER_ACCOUNT +F
<holstein> so, for me to get the other users the same access as i had in #wnclug, i ran /msg Chanserv flags #wnclug nickname +votsriRfAF
<holstein> if you have problems with the nick 'holstein', use mikeh789
<BugeyeD> _marx_: you can do the same for me. that way i can kick holstein when he gets outta line. :)
<BugeyeD> and internalkernel, just for the funuvit.
<internalkernel> always look out BugeyeD... :P
<holstein> BugeyeD: lol
<holstein> i was going to say, i'll probably just get 4 or 5 of the regulars who want it setup as founders
<_marx_> brb
<_marx_> holstein: i didn't know it could be done that way
<_marx_> Registered : Dec 05 14:54:16 2007 (3 years, 31 weeks, 2 days, 07:00:25 ago)
<holstein> yup
<holstein> mine's not that old
<_marx_> there was another before this one
<_marx_> it's forwarding now
<holstein> probably tweaked the naming
<_marx_> yeah, meeting a naming convention
<_marx_> my flags are different...+voOtsriRfAF
<holstein> just the capital O
<_marx_> yep, which i think auto ops me when i login
<holstein> maybe
<holstein> i dont know that flag
<_marx_> cs nor ns work
<_marx_> holstein: see if you can op yourself now
<holstein> :)
<holstein> _marx_: i say do the same for BugeyeD since he expressed interest
<holstein> and akgraner too
<holstein> only 4 'founders' allowed
<holstein> so, if we need more ops, we can sort that out
<_marx_>  akgraner is already an op but yeah
<holstein> i say, just in case, go ahead and get 4 of us regulars large and in charge
<holstein> that way, hopefully someone will be available for whatever might come up
<_marx_>  BugeyeD akgraner and internalkernel
<_marx_> some others around regular like too
<_marx_> well if i stay in that's 2
<holstein> yeah, you know better than me :)
<holstein> theres room for 2 more
<holstein> akgraner has ops, so maybe just add BugeyeD and internalkernel
<_marx_> i'll go with that
<_marx_> then copy and paste this to a team mailing list post
<_marx_> BugeyeD: ^
<_marx_> internalkernel: ^
<holstein> sure
#ubuntu-us-nc 2011-07-12
<BugeyeD> aight, someone knows this answer ... i'm running firefox5 from the canonical repo; is there a java plugin package available? having issues locating it.
<holstein> BugeyeD: if you had one installed, it might just not have one yet
<holstein> i usually just do the big bad ubuntu-restricted-extras package
<MarkB1> BugeyeD: I just downloaded FF5 into /usr/local/ ... and run ...
<BugeyeD> MarkB1: are you saying that your ff5 download included the java plugin?
<MarkB1> BugeyeD: let me see
<MarkB1> but no, I doubt that
<BugeyeD> i've been enjoying ff5 plus noscript, and nothing else. no flash, java, etc. installed both java and flash in order to bang on our latest hp bladecenter, and of course it still fails because the 64bit java doesn't work with the bladecenter crap.
<BugeyeD> i'm so ready to go home.
<Nivex> i've managed to get away with no williamsmith@example.net. unfortunately I can't kick the Flash habit. it's too pervasive.
<MarkB1> BugeyeD: I have the Java plugin, apparently because it was "discovered" already there, for my Debian (sorry, about to return to Ubu) 6 install of Iceweasel
<BugeyeD> okay, didn't think ff ever came with java.
<MarkB1> BugeyeD: did not come with Java, it found the Iceweasel dirs for Java & other plugins
<MarkB1> must be a larger "search path" now, for plugins, than in earlier versions
<BugeyeD> MarkB1: i got that, thx
<BugeyeD> about 9 out of 10 times when X starts on my laptop, the backlight goes out. only workaround i've found is to cycle power and retry until it stays on. any ideas?
<BugeyeD> screen works normally up until X. i can hold the laptop up to a light and see the X image - just no backlight.
<BugeyeD> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/776102
<lubotu1> Launchpad bug 776102 in linux (Ubuntu) "Lcd Backlight is gone" [Undecided,Confirmed]
<BugeyeD> looks like i'm not alone. sucks because plenty folks are suffering. but it means my laptop isn't having hardware probs. :)
#ubuntu-us-nc 2011-07-13
<jack_^> Anybody tried installing gnome-shell on 11.04 yet?
<jeffrash> Leo, there was an article asking why people were following Mark.
<jeffrash> I asked myself that question, and unfollowed him.
<jeffrash> sorry, guys wrong irc windows.  :)
<BugeyeD> i follow mark every time he gets in front of me.
<internalkernel> follower
<BugeyeD> i can think of worse things to be called
<internalkernel> like?
<BugeyeD> if i say, you'll just call me those things. and that might upset me.
<BugeyeD> you know, because i wear my feelings on my sleeves.
<BugeyeD> for the record, i like unity. at least unity-2d (can't run the other). i'm surprised and impressed. doesn't work for my purposes, but i believe it fits some of my customers/family members better than gnome or kde.
#ubuntu-us-nc 2011-07-14
<_marx_> 197 mile commute the last two days = nice
<_marx_> internalkernel: ping
#ubuntu-us-nc 2011-07-15
<_marx_> internalkernel: join the nc team on lp and i'll admin you
<_marx_> anyone else interested in being team contact should reply to my team email
<_marx_> 100 geeks and everyone is too busy
<_marx_> whatever
<holstein> _marx_:
<holstein> i assumed everything was taken care of
<holstein> give it to me, amber or daniel
<holstein> OR BugeyeD
<internalkernel> _marx_: ping... I was busy... what do you need from me to transfer? My launchpad ID: internalkernel   https://launchpad.net/~internalkernel
<holstein> internalkernel: im on the gig... but let me know if i can do anything
<holstein> https://launchpad.net/~mikeh789 if needed
<internalkernel> cool, I should be around now that the little one is asleep...
<holstein> i thought we were squared away?
<internalkernel> thought...
<_marx_> internalkernel: you aren't on the nc lp team
<_marx_> lp and the new loco stuff
<internalkernel> ok... I think I can join via lp... or is there a better way?
<_marx_> join on lp internalkernel
<_marx_> i can add you too
<holstein> _marx_: i thought you had the ability to do it all?
<_marx_> now team contact is on loco.u something
<holstein> i literally thought it was all good
<holstein> i dont understand the issue? the tone?
<internalkernel> sweet... I'm 101
<holstein> _marx_: what do you need in addition to the information you have?
<_marx_> the tone is me
<internalkernel> Im all in _marx_ let me know if you need anything else...
<holstein> i want to be clear that what i have been implying and assuming was, that you could just be busy for a while
<holstein> and less active as you need to be
<_marx_> bad day, $36/day to get to work
<holstein> you dont have to leave at all really
<_marx_> no i'm not leaving just don't want to be team contact or own the lp page
<holstein> _marx_: you need that email plugin that holds your outgoing messages for 24 hours ;)
<_marx_> ha maybe so
<internalkernel> lol... nice
<internalkernel> I could use that one too
<holstein> it would be handy
<holstein> an unsend button :)
<internalkernel> dude...
<internalkernel> you're getting my hopes up
<_marx_> unsend retract cool
<_marx_> no just very high stress level
<_marx_> the ends just don't meet
<holstein> _marx_: you know where i am... if i can offer any low-stress interaction
<_marx_> i go sit under the big maple tree and listen to the cicadas
<holstein> alright.. back to the gig... BBL
<internalkernel> I joined the nc team... is that all that you needed?
<_marx_> yep, minute or two you should get an email internalkernel
<internalkernel> cool... thanks
<_marx_> who's the jeff guy that expressed interest? anyone know?
<internalkernel> was that on the mailing list? maybe they are not in irc often?  no idea...
<_marx_> yes mailing list on the jeff
<_marx_> might be jeffrash don't know
<_marx_> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-northcarolina
<internalkernel> got the email, looks like that is sorted... thanks!
<_marx_> afaik that's where team contact needs to be changed, maybe on wiki.....something too
<_marx_> oh it's plural there too, hum
<internalkernel> I think the team contact is still akgraner, right? That's on the wiki... I see the Email contact on the launchpad page, but that emails to everyone on the team... not just one person.
 * _marx_ not 100% up to date on team contacts seems to be wiki lp and loco.u.com
<_marx_> the loco one isn't picking up changes to lp that i expected
<_marx_> so i'm done for tonight.
<internalkernel> aye... we'll get it sorted... no worries...
<_marx_> internalkernel: yep
<jeffrash> _marx_, what might be me?
<_marx_> williamsmith@example.net
<_marx_> l
<jeffrash> oh, that's not me
<jeffrash> I'm williamsmith@example.net
<jeffrash> :)
<_marx_> ok
 * _marx_ main gmail is old; april 04 about 2 months after it launched
#ubuntu-us-nc 2011-07-16
<_marx_> hum
<holstein> _marx_: you calling a meeting?
<_marx_> sure, email it
<holstein> email what?
<_marx_> oh sorry i was thinking of another conversation
<holstein> i was responding to the emial
<holstein> email*
<_marx_> sure call for a meeting; so i don't have to do all that video editing
<_marx_> you
<holstein> ?
<holstein> i dont follow
<holstein> im going to instigate getting a regular monthly meeting going
<holstein> but, i cant take it on right now
<holstein> im doing that with ubuntustudio, and i have a bunch of other stuff going on
<holstein> hopefully by the august or september meeting
<_marx_> y call meeting on list
<holstein> ?
<_marx_> it would be in appropriate for me to assign team contact by a d6
<_marx_> we need to have a meeting
<holstein> d6?
<holstein> amber is the team contact right?
<_marx_> would you please suggest this?
<_marx_> me now
<_marx_> die 6 one dice
<_marx_> never did d-n-d eh
<holstein> no, i kissed girls ;)
<holstein> amber is the team contact right?
<holstein> and we have admins that can edit that right?
<_marx_> on which site?
<holstein> OK
<holstein> im not sure what you are or were talking about
<holstein> SO
<holstein> AFAIK
<_marx_> google it on a no cookie system
<holstein> there a launchpad account or team page or something
<holstein> and you are/were the admin
<_marx_> let me get some links
<holstein> _marx_: no need for links
<holstein> i dont know how to even take that in right now
<holstein> its overload...
<_marx_> k
<holstein> just tell me if im *way* off base
<holstein> theres an LP
<holstein> you are an admin
<holstein> you made dan in admin?
<_marx_> owner on LP
<holstein> an*
<holstein> OK
<holstein> that owner can edit the team contact?
<holstein> and amber is the current team contact?
<_marx_> there is no LP team contact
<_marx_> it is nice
<holstein> _marx_: has there ever been?
<_marx_> yep
<holstein> whats the point?
<_marx_> not sure about LP
<_marx_> well there's the wiki
<holstein> whats the LP team contact do?
<_marx_> and the new loco directory thing
<_marx_> dude
<holstein> _marx_: there have been several step up and say they would take it on
<holstein> i say, give things to amber or daniel or me or whoever else
<_marx_> why on earth would i want to resign
<holstein> and make sure that someone has the rights to edit all that
<holstein> someone or some persons ideally
<holstein> _marx_: if you call a meeting about it, it will be you and me, maybe dan and amber if she can make it.. BugeyeD and coxn might pop in
<holstein> i dont think anyone is going to lose any sleep over it
<_marx_> right so IRC meetings are....
<holstein> but, *if* you need to assign the task, i say just pick one of the folks that have already said it was cool
<holstein> OR, just make sure several folks have the rights to assign that later
<holstein> but, if you call a meeting, i'll be there
<_marx_> gracefully abiding by code of contact.
 * coxn pops in
<coxn> ping me if you need me. :)
<holstein> conduct?
<_marx_> not just disappear like the last guy
<holstein> right... but, that is correct right?
<holstein> some person or persons has admin rights to edit the LP contact?
<_marx_> oh geez, yes
<_marx_> oh wait
<_marx_> no
<holstein> but you do?
<_marx_> as owner yes
<holstein> LP owner?
<_marx_> there are several team contacts
<_marx_> i am
<_marx_> lp owner
<holstein> there needs to be another owner if you are going to be MIA
<holstein> owners prefferably
<_marx_> i'm MIA so
<_marx_> well i'm MIA
<holstein> im just saying, the LP contact is not the issue
<holstein> the issue is the LP owner
<_marx_> check those pages
<holstein> then, some person or persons can edit these as needed
<holstein> can there be more than one LP owner?
<_marx_> don't know
<holstein> we just need to make sure one or more of the volunteers have admin access
<holstein> then, they can deal with it next meeting, or whenever
<holstein> _marx_: OK
<holstein> so heres a way to get multiple owners
<_marx_> yes
<holstein> 23:19 < pleia2> you can create a ~ubuntu-northcarolina-ower team and add people you want to be owners to that
<holstein> then, anyone in the owner team has owner rights
<_marx_> but i have no problem just turning over ownership
<holstein> which is the way i think it should go, so there are more than one owner
<holstein> _marx_: sure... one of us can tweak this out at some point
<holstein> if you just want to hand it off, i say amber or daniel... someone that knows LP, and is around
<holstein> BugeyeD is around too though
<_marx_> well we have been tweaking for a while now
<holstein> coxn
<_marx_> cron
<_marx_> i've done what i've done or not done; now it is time for someone else
<_marx_> to do or not do
<holstein> you've done great
<holstein> i say, set up that owner group, and when you come back, you're still in it :)
<_marx_> not going anywhere
<holstein> yeah?
<_marx_> no
<holstein> then what are we talking about?
<_marx_> got you going eh?
<_marx_> motivation
<holstein> im not following
<_marx_> i'm a month behind i've been two months behind
<_marx_> passing it on
<_marx_> yes money wise i'm in dire straights
<_marx_> crude method; piss off a team
<_marx_> not my favorite method
<_marx_> oh
<holstein> so, what are you saying?
<holstein> you are not needing to leave?
<holstein> were you just messing around?
<_marx_> no
<_marx_> ur lagging
<holstein> yeah, its hard to keep up
<holstein> 23:31 < _marx_> not going anywhere
<_marx_> right
<_marx_> another owner if lp
<_marx_> of
<holstein> whatever... you need to get *someone* all the admin privs you have
<_marx_> give
<_marx_> right
<holstein> let me know if i can help facilitate
<_marx_> spell checking with irssi is working well
<_marx_> holstein: yes i think a call for a meeting is in order
<holstein> like i said, ill be there
<_marx_> i'll compose some in the am
<holstein> so, this meeting is for who is taking over as LP owner?
<holstein> or about implementing and owner team?
<holstein> or just about the LP contact?
<_marx_> three and counting
<_marx_> LD contact too
<holstein> who has had those postitions though?
<holstein> seems like we really just need to get your positions filled
<holstein> and the other stuff can remaing as-is
<_marx_> okay let me go get another beer
<holstein> yeah... that'll help ;)
<_marx_> well
<holstein> i mean, if we dont have an LP contact, we dont ugrently need one
<_marx_> there's this loco thing
<holstein> you dont need to urgently appoint people before you go, or whatever you are doing
<holstein> you just need to make admins
<_marx_> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-northcarolina
<_marx_> i am trying to not to urgently appoint people.
<holstein> what im getting at is
<holstein> if you say 'we need a meeting about an LP contact'
<_marx_> stick your foot in a yellow jacket nest and see what comes up.
<holstein> i say, if we havent had one, then dont sweat it
<holstein> just make sure someone has rights to fix that later
<_marx_> i'll leave it alone
<holstein> so, im not clear on what this is
<holstein> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-northcarolina
<holstein> i dont see any admin options anywheres
<holstein> i see 'join this team'
<_marx_> login
<holstein> not sure what thats about
<_marx_> new thing
<holstein> let me re-login
<holstein> OK... im in
<holstein> looks like i have permission to set a contact there
<_marx_> do it
<_marx_> who did you pick?
<holstein> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-northcarolina
<holstein> thats the LoCo contact
<holstein> so, are you talking about Email:
<holstein> No contact email Set contact address
<holstein> at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-northcarolina ??
<holstein> we could set that to the mailing list addy
<holstein> but i think it goes to each of us individually now
<_marx_> the lp one has never had a contact
<_marx_> i
<holstein> right, i dont think it needs one
<holstein> if thats what you are referring to
<holstein> the email contact
<holstein> ?
<holstein> rigth?
<holstein> right*
<_marx_> i'm findng 3 places
<_marx_> one on the wiki
<_marx_> one on loco
<_marx_> and none on lp
<holstein> ok, so no LP contact needed then right?
<holstein> i just edited the loco one correct?
 * holstein looking at the wiki
<_marx_> i'm not sure how that carries over to loco
<holstein> but any of us can edit the wiki
<_marx_> and the new loco
<_marx_> yeah i know
<_marx_> i just need to go make some sawdust
<_marx_> wtf
<_marx_> i'll just stop posting to the team list about this and go away; no that is not appropriate
<_marx_> if i'm here i'm here if not do what i did
<_marx_> hum
<_marx_> seems i need to be really crystal clear
<internalkernel> _marx_: I thought we just dealt with lp the other day... what did I miss? What didn't we do?
<internalkernel> you added me as an admin, I see your listed as the owner - did you want to change that over to me as well?
<internalkernel> the team contact on the LP page goes to the mailing list... I don't see a problem with that, do you?
<_marx_> let's settle that tomorrow by 3:00 pm
<internalkernel> awesome
<_marx_> need to comply w/coc
<_marx_> code of conduct
<_marx_> have a meeting
<_marx_> no one shows, and then just do it
<_marx_> heh
<_marx_> i do have the perspective of a long time linux and ubuntu user
<_marx_> this channel is just one example
<_marx_> regulars have come and gone over the years
<internalkernel> _marx_: why didn't you make me the LP owner?
<holstein> internalkernel: i think a good goal is having multiple owners
<internalkernel> that would be ideal... however I'd like to just get it changed at this point...
<holstein> apparently, the way ubuntu-women is set up, theres an ubuntu-women owner team
<holstein> and that team owns the LP account
<holstein> well, i dont understand why you or amber or one of the other folks who stepped up when _marx_ said he needed to hand over ownership in the first place are not owners by now
<holstein> im unclear as to what the issue is
<holstein> and that new owner will have permission to work with the contact if needed
<internalkernel> I have permission to work with the contact, you don't have to be owner to do that - only admin...
<internalkernel> but the contact on the lp page goes to the team mailing list...
<holstein> internalkernel: i think you saw it the same as me then
<internalkernel> I don't see an issue with that, do you?
<holstein> and i think thats actually preffered
<internalkernel> likewise... so ownership of the loco is the issue now.
<holstein> right, thats the only issue
<internalkernel> and again... why didn't it happen when I was made an admin?
<holstein> but, i thought thats what you were getting the other day
<internalkernel> draggin it on for the purpose of draggin it on
<internalkernel> I did too
<holstein> i suppose
<internalkernel> and then... we got an email today.. about a meeting and a need for an LP owner??
<internalkernel> totally baffled...
<holstein> well, that has democratic intentions i assume
<holstein> BUT, the 'prediction' about not getting our membership renewed?
<holstein> thats unecessary
<internalkernel> there's lots that's unnecesary...
<internalkernel> puff puff pass, that's all Im going to say...
<holstein> lol
<holstein> so, what is the worst case scenario?
<holstein> _marx_ leaves and doesnt hand over admin ownership
<internalkernel> We get someone else to do it... and it takes longer
<holstein> we can request that from someone though right?
<holstein> if needed?
<holstein> from skaet?
<internalkernel> right, someone up there in the buntu cloud will be able to do it...
<_marx_> puff, puff, pass that _is funny
 * _marx_ feels better now
<_marx_> yall be good now
#ubuntu-us-nc 2011-07-17
<BugeyeD> so no 2pm meeting, eh?
#ubuntu-us-nc 2011-07-18
<coxn> holstein: yes?
<holstein> o/
<holstein> we were just discussing where some administrative positions were going
<holstein> and i was nominating you :)
<holstein> i think its all finally sorted out for the short term at least
<coxn> oh good
<coxn> anybody know this person? https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-V2h1JRG-39U/TiQznYyAWKI/AAAAAAAAABE/ojLnLX9X-Eg/s465-c-k/IMG_0099.jpg
#ubuntu-us-nc 2011-07-25
<oscalation> hello
<holstein> oscalation: hey
<holstein> welcome to the channel :)
#ubuntu-us-nc 2011-07-27
<akgraner> holstein, will you and internalkernel be around after 11am tomorrow
<akgraner> I have to be in Asheville in the morning
<akgraner> but will be finished with my appt at 11am
<internalkernel> I can work it out to be available around then, dropping the little one at williamsmith@example.net...
<internalkernel> how did american idol go?
<axisofentropy_> I miss Asheville
<akgraner> Becca and a ton of others we awesome - but the 1st round judges said no
<akgraner> she sang and Dirty Man (Joss Stone), Back Back Train (Aerosmith), and Lips of an Angel (Hinder)
<holstein> axisofentropy_: :/
<holstein> akgraner: i can make time
<akgraner> they didn't even know those songs - they wanted more contemporary songs
<akgraner> :-/
<akgraner> they had her sing more songs than anyone in her group
<akgraner> they like her voice but I think they were looking for the bubble gum upbeat pop stuff
<akgraner> (which of course she hates)
<holstein> well, its not a singing, or talent contest
<internalkernel> no... american idol has nothing to do with talent.
<internalkernel> that's cool they made her sing a bunch though, they were trying to fit her...
<holstein> yeah, they obviously recognized the skillz :)
<internalkernel> totally... so akgraner where and what time were you thinking tomorrow? Ill be aiming for breakfast/coffee about that time... what's your suggestion holstein?
<akgraner> just tell me where to meet you all
<akgraner> I'll be coming from VA off Tunnel Road
<akgraner> Mall? Barnes and Noble?
<akgraner> so holstein if you know where an 15 soon to 16 blues singer can fit in let me know
<akgraner> it's manager and demo CD time now
<oscalation> anyone around the charlotte nc area
<BugeyeD> we have a few from that area here, don't remember who though. i'm in winston.
<oscalation> im near charlotte, interested in joining a local team possibly for monthly meet ups, im interested in filing and triaging bugs
<oscalation> and getting into dev and programming, i wana learn python
<holstein> akgraner: theres a jam up here i think its thursday nite
<holstein> peggy ratuse hosts it
<holstein> oscalation: im over in asheville, but if you want to join the WNClug mailing list, feel free
<holstein> might be some events worth driving for
<holstein> wnclug.info
<holstein> http://wnclug.info
<akgraner> holstein, cool thanks
<holstein> akgraner: i can get more proactive if you want
<holstein> peggy is cool
<holstein> we dont play together often, but i could call/email or whatever
<BugeyeD> i tend to drive (from winston) to the triangle for stuff. there's just not much in place here in the triad. there was a conversation months ago about reviving the charlotte area, but i didn't pay much attention because it's not close to me either.
<BugeyeD> oscalation: ^
<akgraner> let's talk tomorrow...I'll get becca to record something for you
<holstein> cool
<BugeyeD> seems like tronx was in charlotte, but i haven't seen him on here lately
<holstein> yeah, he moved back :/
<holstein> job changed
<BugeyeD> as in back out-of-state?
<holstein> you can find him in #ubuntu-beginners-team though
<holstein> yeah, back to chicago
<BugeyeD> i think he was the pen tester.
<akgraner> I think we can do something for global jam - even if it's just cleaning up wiki's online for the weekend
<akgraner> that's a start
<akgraner> and who ever can meet in a local place can do so as well
<akgraner> nothing complicated
<holstein> akgraner: i agree
<holstein> maybe charlotte?
<holstein> its kind of in the middle-ish
<akgraner> everything is an hour from me so just let me know where to be and I'll be there
<holstein> no need for 4 of us to drive 4 hours though if its just going to be us
<akgraner> ha that's true enough
<akgraner> when Asheville will work for us as well
<mhall119> akgraner: ping
<akgraner> mhall119, pong
<mhall119> akgraner: just leaving the house, but wanted to know if you wanted to try ReadFeeder
<akgraner> I do...can you ping me a little later ?
<mhall119> sure
#ubuntu-us-nc 2011-07-28
<mhall119> akgraner: I'm calling it a night, sorry I didn't get back to you, will you be around tomorrow?
<akgraner> yep sure will
<akgraner> no worries
#ubuntu-us-nc 2011-07-29
<billfarrow> what would we need to host a local Global Jam workshop in the Triangle ?
<holstein> billfarrow: not much really
<holstein> we (akgraner internalkernel and i) were talking about doing one more online anyways
<holstein> just say when, and let the where's be local
<holstein> send out emails about where you are doing it, and then try and check in here :)
<holstein> anyways... you really just need a place with internet, and some folks to come
<billfarrow> yeah, I don't want to drive 3hrs to Charlotte, but I would like more face to face colaboration
<holstein> where are you?
<billfarrow> Nivex: do you want to do some Global Jam together ?
<holstein> we are hosting something in asheville for sure
<billfarrow> holstein: Raleigh
<holstein> i say, pick a place, and send it out on the list
<holstein> someone will probably come
<billfarrow> I think we could russle something up here.  I have no idea what we would do, but get enough smart people in a room and something good should happen
<holstein> well, you just check in on here, and we can make sure we are not doubling our efforts
<holstein> we'll probably try and fix wikis
#ubuntu-us-nc 2012-07-03
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#ubuntu-us-nc 2012-07-10
<MarkB1> bac: when will you be back, in Chatham / Pittsboro?
<bac> MarkB1: i am here now
<bac> MarkB1: what's up?
#ubuntu-us-nc 2012-07-11
<Nivex> I have a USB stick with 11.10 bootable and some data on it. If I use usb-creator-gtk to install 12.04, will it just update the Ubuntu and leave my data, or do I need to blank it first?
<holstein> Nivex: i wouldnt trust it
<holstein> i would move the data off, format, make the stick, and put it back
<holstein> it would likely just add 12.04... if you wanted to remove the 11.10 data, and make the stick, your other data would likely still be there... but for me, i would take that opportunity to back up the data, and format the stick
<Nivex> That's what I figured. Was just trying to save some cycles :)
<holstein> eh... if its something you do every 6 months, i wouldnt worry about it :)
<Nivex> yeah, but it does make a difference in what data I store on it going forward
#ubuntu-us-nc 2013-07-28
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