#ubuntu-us-tn 2011-02-01 <chibihogoshino> slow day <cyberanger> heh, yeah <cyberanger> slow enough <chibihogoshino> hows the router going ? <cyberanger> routing <chibihogoshino> heh <cyberanger> management isn't simplified enough <cyberanger> and mesh is still up in the air <cyberanger> atm <chibihogoshino> you have to wait on that tho right ? <cyberanger> yeah <cyberanger> or support both, and insure stability in doing so <cyberanger> which I am not thinking as realistic atm <chibihogoshino> it would double what you have to do <cyberanger> maybe not double <cyberanger> could be less, could be more <cyberanger> and I fear more <cyberanger> due to the collision risks <wrst> cyberanger: you still around? <wrst> oh i need to look at the time :) <cyberanger> no, I left 31 seconds ago ;-) <cyberanger> what's up wrst <wrst> ha ha cyberanger have an issue here i have a laptop running xp painfully slow but virus scans show ok i'm wondering if i have hardware issues possibly memory, live cd and memtest? <cyberanger> sounds like a plan <cyberanger> maybe toss in removing xp <wrst> ok thought that kinda made sense :) <chibihogoshino> xp ? <wrst> well cyberanger if it were not for quickbooks required i would in a heartbeat, but don't think vbox would be a viable option for them <wrst> chibihogoshino: i know not very popular a very inferior OS ;) <cyberanger> well, if hardware is causing the instability, depending on the why, virtualbox might help <chibihogoshino> is xp in it now ? <wrst> well off i go to reboot .... <cyberanger> having to reboot suggests yes <chibihogoshino> i liked that show <cyberanger> what show? <elw> hey cyberranger, there was a chat a couple days ago about streaming pandora without a browser... could you backchannel me about that? <elw> blargh <wrst> hmm cyberanger just 512MB of ram doesn't help me didn't realize that <cyberanger> elw: all it was, was exodus_ms asked a question, disconnected right after <cyberanger> before a chance of an answer <cyberanger> wrst: that's low, worse for quicken <cyberanger> elw: the answer pretty much is no <cyberanger> they have a desktop application, uses adobe air <wrst> yeah cyberanger i agree that's going to be a lot/most/all of the deal <cyberanger> and home theater players, mobile apps, so on <cyberanger> that's about it <chibihogoshino> oh .. cyberanger reboot the show <cyberanger> ah, lol <chibihogoshino> yay xfce4.8 <chibihogoshino> samba in thunar is faster than nautilus <orangeninja> hello to anyone that might be here...... <chris4585> wrst, looks like unity got some visual updates or something <orangeninja> hey chris <chris4585> hey orangeninja <orangeninja> hey chris <orangeninja> was gone for a few <elw> ... <orangeninja> everybody is asleep but us I guess.... where I need to be. <wrst> netritious: you are up bright and early <netritious> hey wrst, yeah been up since 4 or so <wrst> you sick? :) <netritious> lol no why <wrst> that's mighty early <netritious> wnet to bed at 10, read for a while, passed out, woke up at 4 somehow <netritious> *went <wrst> oh man, i never get up at 4 <wrst> thankfully <wrst> ohter tahn a few times it has been required of me and I don't like it one bit :) <netritious> I'm ok with it...gives me a head start on the day <wrst> yeah i get up a little after 5 every day and that gives me fits :) <wrst> i would want to go to bed about 8:30 i guess if i got up at 4 <wrst> hey chris4585 <wrst> they have made some nice little changes <Svpernova09> netritious: the 3 part business plan. Dan and I started on part 1. open source project :_X <chris4585> wrst, last night I couldn't see them for some reason, virtualbox only likes to boot correctly every few hours it seems lol <wrst> yeah same on a hard install also chris4585, still some xorg stuff that's a little whacked i think <netritious> Svpernova09: nice :) <netritious> what's your project? I'm thinking the hacker space, but... lol <Svpernova09> you're not far off... <Svpernova09> http://code.google.com/p/hackerspace-management-system/ <netritious> nice <Svpernova09> The goal is to be a drop in system for new hackerspaces to get off the ground to track members, financials, export stuff to their website/email lists, etc <Svpernova09> One of the guys from makers local in hunstville is working on it with us. <netritious> that's cool <netritious> Svpernova09: lamp stack? <Svpernova09> lamp + cakephp framework <Svpernova09> we're just going to provide the site though. <Svpernova09> I'm thinking once we get a release I can build a deb package for it <Svpernova09> That'll be something else to learn. <netritious> learning keeps linux fun (most of the time) <cyberanger> the rest of the time is made up by ham radio's fun <cyberanger> or the gun range <netritious> heh whatever tickles your fancy cyberanger :) <netritious> how's it going cyberanger <cyberanger> oh, fairly well, part of me wants to get some work out of the way <cyberanger> the other part wants to rock climb <netritious> I hear ya <cyberanger> the day isn't ideal for a climb, not too bad though <cyberanger> as for work, it's work <cyberanger> not against it, but not rooting for it either <cyberanger> netritious: how about you * cyberanger heads for some advil, relieve myself from this bloddy headache <netritious> doing well <netritious> been using screen a bit lately <netritious> borrowed an upstart script for node.js off the web that didn't work, fixed it, and now node.js instances run as an upstart job and as www-data instead of root <netritious> so can start up with the system <netritious> and shut down gracefully with reboots/shutdowns <cyberanger> cool <cyberanger> and I thought you were already using screen <netritious> I have been, but got into it more with lucid <netritious> splitting screen vertical and horizontal rocks <cyberanger> ah <cyberanger> I forgot that wasn't as flawless in the older versions <netritious> yeah <netritious> I'm still stuck in hardy land for a bit <netritious> but not much longer <cyberanger> hardy shouldn't be too bad <netritious> it's not <cyberanger> I think it had that support in it too <netritious> just lacks some new features I want to use <netritious> rather packages are more current <netritious> so I get to use new features of the lucid packages that aren't available in hardy without building it from source yourself or using some unknown repo <cyberanger> and grub2's rewrite, massive changes between bind9 versions <cyberanger> and I think apache as well <netritious> grub2 bothers me less <netritious> I've become accustomed to it now, although I still think that grub (1) is better <cyberanger> well, toss in the added features and support, hard to say <cyberanger> but I'm just pointing out, securtiy patches and feature patches <cyberanger> if you can switch, it'd probally help <netritious> agreed <cyberanger> more updates to the mirror, seems my cron entry is off <cyberanger> oh * cyberanger feels dumb <cyberanger> including "read" does explain it <cyberanger> I used my interactive script, not my automated one <cyberanger> it's actually staying at a reasonable size, roughly 120GB <cyberanger> my hope is with this, build a machine for some installfests <netritious> that's a good idea cyberanger <netritious> ah, here it is...took me a sec to find it... <netritious> sudo sed -i 's/GRUB_HIDDEN/\#GRUB_HIDDEN/g' /etc/default/grub && sudo update-grub <netritious> one of the first things I do with lucid <cyberanger> why? <netritious> otherwise I end up having to repair from a live cd/usb drive instead of being able to boot in single user mode right on the machine itself when I fubar things or forget my passwd <netritious> I read somewhere that holding shift works but it doesn't for me <cyberanger> I've not had todo that, hrm <netritious> *holding shift works to show the grub menu despite the hidden attributes <netritious> ^^is what I recall reading, but not sure about the source atm, either way it doesn't work <cyberanger> ah, that's probally esc then <netritious> so hold esc and I get grub menu, even if hidden is true? <cyberanger> believe so <netritious> will give that a go <cyberanger> not 100% sure, with the hidden bit <cyberanger> but that sounds like it * cyberanger hasn't had an issue with grub2 that can't be explained by my actions <cyberanger> kinda like a "why won't the car start?" "oh, stupid, I left out the spark plugs" <netritious> it's been worse for me <netritious> not with grub though, just grub2 <netritious> it may not be grub2, but ubuntu, or plymouth, or whatever ...I'm not 100% certain, but hardy installs on anything just fine no hassles, in about any configuration I can think of, with little to no fuss, old and new computers <netritious> lucid and grub2 refused to cooperate with me on a dual PIII socket 370 supermicro EATX server motherboard <wrst> netritious: you are adding to me theory, grub2 sucks <netritious> and nothing I tried (I was pretty exhaustive) worked to get it booting...spent a couple of days trying too * wrst prepares for cyberanger to admonish me <cyberanger> netritious: and that's where I stand on it, each distro doing their old tweaks, and so much changs at once <cyberanger> hal, plymouth, pulseaudio <wrst> cyberanger: i may install grub2 in arch to see what happens and check that out :) <cyberanger> too dynamic to be sure of what and why <cyberanger> but it's clearly there <netritious> grub2 <em>works</em> just a whole lot different than grub <cyberanger> wrst: why not, it's worth a try <cyberanger> netritious: and they timed alot of changes in the same timeframe too <wrst> cyberanger: i may but i do like my computer to boot :) <wrst> but when grub2 is working like it should it really will be good <cyberanger> wrst: you left out *into linux ;-) <wrst> :) <netritious> brb <wrst> well cyberanger we won't see him for a few weeks <cyberanger> ouch <wrst> his brb's are always a week or two apart :) <cyberanger> yes, but seeing it in print... * cyberanger can't wait for hulu on android <wrst> really? wow that will be nice cyberanger <cyberanger> I think hulu plus will justify it's price then <cyberanger> however I wish they worked with boxee <cyberanger> less than 10 bucks <cyberanger> a month <cyberanger> cbs.com is free <cyberanger> but not mobile <wrst> who needs a tv? :) <cyberanger> less than 25 for NHL center ice <cyberanger> exactly <cyberanger> the idea of cable tv packages is going away <wrst> yes <cyberanger> I can't wait for the day when you buy a tv channel and use it on an iptv system <cyberanger> boxee, roku, so on <cyberanger> the issue is convincing the companies that will lose profit that they'd lose less supporting this model <cyberanger> by bringing higher speed internet, and lower cost service <cyberanger> more speed tiers <cyberanger> less bandwidth caps (read, no caps, or extremely large caps) <cyberanger> true network neutrality, where bittorrent isn't throttled <cyberanger> which can help the dristubition method, grab new shows that way overnight, for the next day <cyberanger> Pioneer One being a show on no channel, the viewers pay, without watching an add <cyberanger> distrubited via bittorrent <cyberanger> wrst: this week really flew by ;-) <cyberanger> right netritious ? ;-) <netritious> uhm it's still this week? :) <orias> cyberanger: I agree <wrst> ha ha <wrst> yeah <wrst> netritious: i predicted it would be two weeks before you rejoined us after your brb :) <netritious> :P <netritious> I had to plugin to the battery backup <netritious> it's thundering outside <netritious> haven't lost power yet, but never know in this town with that weather <cyberanger> netritious: not pleasent here, not that bad yet though <wrst> netritious: really windy here but looks like we got that to look forward to <netritious> wife called and said there was a bad one coming this morning <netritious> rain and snow are fine, but ice and thunder can (has) shut everything down anywhere from a few seconds to a few days <netritious> in '94 there was an ice storm around these parts and metro memphis took a week to get power back on, two weeks in some places <netritious> Desoto County (Northern MS) power companies were a little quicker, but only by a day or so <cyberanger> yeah, and I've not re-equiped for that scale an issue yet <cyberanger> but luckily, I'm near a high priority area <cyberanger> I'm just not on the exact same grid, but they'll need to get my grid up too, as we're the backup grid <netritious> I bought a generator but haven't had to use it yet <netritious> I keep it primed though <cyberanger> I'd like to get a battery backup, and a generator and solar power options <cyberanger> thing is, how are you going to stay online if the lines fail netritious ? <netritious> why I use two locations <netritious> and computers I can load in my car and transport 3 miles, that is if I'm lucky :) <netritious> around here I'm mostly worried about tornados <cyberanger> are both witin the same area <netritious> which travel east to west, and the shop is about 1.5 miles northeast <netritious> yes <netritious> nothing I can do about that yet <cyberanger> well, to a point, you can <cyberanger> but yeah, cost <netritious> hence the yet :) <cyberanger> I'd like to build two mobile rigs <cyberanger> house the servers in a pickup bed with a cap <cyberanger> shutdown before an issue (routing to the secondary rig) <cyberanger> and drive <wrst> netritious: i think if a tornado hits the memphis area that's a reasonable excuse for down time <netritious> cyberanger: it's already enough work as it is lol <netritious> wrst: yesh I mean what are you going to do <cyberanger> wrst: it is, and yet, if your the guy that has zero downtime, more for you <cyberanger> netritious: that part is easy <wrst> yeah tornados not so easy to stop :) <netritious> if you want complete redundancy use Amazon AWS, but along with that comes a great deal of complexity <netritious> maybe as much as say having your own redundant network <cyberanger> nothing to say it couldn't be done <netritious> on that topic, I think it's neat that you can migrate images from Ubuntu UEC to Amazon...I haven't actually tried it yet, but if things go according to plan then I might actually have the equipment to try it <netritious> *images=vm's <wrst> cool netritious <netritious> there are quite a few "cloud" projects around now based on AWS... <netritious> have you guys seen http://cloud.com ? <cyberanger> netritious: nope <wrst> that's neat looking <netritious> written in java <netritious> I'm not a huge fan myself, but I know quite a few people that love it <cyberanger> same here netritious <cyberanger> it has it's benifits, but you know, shooting your foot to avoid war has benifits too, it still hurts like hell <netritious> lol <cyberanger> watching last nights episode of chuck "Mom, when we get back, we need to have a serious talk about the benifits of tranq guns" <cyberanger> that's gotta be one of the best lines ever <cyberanger> rain really coming down now #ubuntu-us-tn 2011-02-02 <wrst> wind really blowing here, cyberanger, look what netritious sent us <cyberanger> lol <cyberanger> can't blame him for wanting it gone <wrst> ha ha guess not <chibihogoshino> its been quiet in here lately <wrst> chibihogoshino: we need to liven it up :) * chibihogoshino puts on a party hat * chibihogoshino dances around the channel <chibihogoshino> come on party people.. <chibihogoshino> oh well .. i tried <wrst> ha ha well they are all here just not listening :\ <chibihogoshino> yeah.. i get that allot <wrst> you married chibihogoshino? <chibihogoshino> no <wrst> hmm ok, well i get it a lot because of that :) <chibihogoshino> heh <wrst> :\ <chibihogoshino> i just seem to be in the background with most conversations.. <chibihogoshino> but im not really complaining .. most of them are not worth being part of.. <wrst> :D * orangeninja missed the party... * cyberanger didn't miss the party <cyberanger> I brought the advil <cyberanger> mondo headache <cyberanger> and the rain just kills the mood * cyberanger fires up his tool & alice in chains mixer again * cyberanger knows there is at least one fan of that mix in here <cyberanger> (besides me) <cyberanger> wrst: how's the rain and wind <cyberanger> ? <chibihogoshino> eh <chibihogoshino> more a mega death fan <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: the dj is in the his ouse, what's your request ;-) <chibihogoshino> count down to extinction * cyberanger looks in his collection * cyberanger hits play and suddenly the speakers kick and knock me on my duff <cyberanger> good choice ;-) <chibihogoshino> hah <chibihogoshino> nice <chris4585> so far the most annoying thing about testing alpha ubuntu in virtualbox is reinstalling the guest additions for every new kernel <chibihogoshino> use oracles virtual box <chris4585> chibihogoshino... ? <chris4585> I'm using 4.0 from oracle <chibihogoshino> oh.. hmm <chibihogoshino> i didnt know it had the guest addition <chris4585> well alpha software is alpha <chris4585> </point> <chris4585> lol <cyberanger> chris4585: dkms should fix that <cyberanger> reinstalls aside <cyberanger> also, you can just not install them <cyberanger> depending on what your doing <chris4585> cyberanger, well honestly virtualbox is kind of crappy for testing natty, I'm probably going to install it on my laptop sometime <wrst> cyberanger: turns out it was pretty tame <cyberanger> wrst: what? <cyberanger> forgive me, I've not been up long <wrst> oh just reporting back from you asking about the weather on my end cyberanger, and wake up ;) <cyberanger> oh, long reply then <cyberanger> and that explains tame (I thought you adopted a lion or something by that phrase) <wrst> ha ha cyberanger that makes sense :) <wrst> hey Xpistos <Xpistos> Guten tag <xTEMPLARx> mein leiben!!!!! <wrst> xTEMPLARx: you crawled out of your hold today ! <xTEMPLARx> well yes! I suppose I have! <xTEMPLARx> mawnin' <wrst> did you see your shadow? <xTEMPLARx> don't your eyes have to be open to accomplish that feat? <wrst> good point xTEMPLARx :) <wrst> xTEMPLARx: was it something we said to Xpistos? <xTEMPLARx> musta been <xTEMPLARx> :( <wrst> yeah , oh well he needs thicker skin :) <Svpernova09> >.> <wrst> there he is sagain <xTEMPLARx> wb Xpistos <Xpistos> thanks <Xpistos> stupid internet interruptions <wrst> nice Xpistos <chibihogoshino> honeycomb kinda looks like the default ubuntu desktop <chibihogoshino> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/02/honeycomb-is-here-google-unveils-android-30-new-web-based-market.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss <Juzzy> anyone by chance know anyone refreshing desktops? Our non-profit School needs a small pc lab :/ <chibihogoshino> refreshing ? <chibihogoshino> recycled ? <orias> Juzzy: http://computer.coop/ #ubuntu-us-tn 2011-02-03 <cyberanger> Juzzy: I do, when I can <cyberanger> how many machines <cyberanger> and do you need the hardware, or other means <orangeninja> cyber you here? <cyberanger> orangeninja: yes <cyberanger> if you use my full nick too, I'll get here quicker ;-) <cyberanger> it'd highlight me and buzz me <cyberanger> when I'm on <cyberanger> what's up <orangeninja> Sorry I should have used your full name <orangeninja> how do you do that where you show my name before your entry? <cyberanger> orangeni hit tab <cyberanger> orangeninja: <chris4585> type o and hit tab <cyberanger> and then it completes <chris4585> or type c and hit tab multiple times <cyberanger> chris4585: bad idea for just one letter since we have mutiple nicks <cyberanger> yeah, mutiple times works <chris4585> cyberanger, well I usually type 2 letters but no need to type out half the word itself <chris4585> depends, you I do cy, chibihogoshino I do chi, etc.. <cyberanger> true, just a narrow example ;-) <cyberanger> meeting tommorow <cyberanger> btw <chris4585> I may attend! <chibihogoshino> u <chibihogoshino> uh <chibihogoshino> what <chris4585> my life has been boredom since I graduated HS <chris4585> chibihogoshino, we're explaining tab completion <chibihogoshino> oh <orangeninja> cyberanger: thanks <cyberanger> thank chris4585 , he did it even better, quicker <orangeninja> cyberanger: Another thing I was thinking about, what was that command you gave me to clean the old kernal out of grub? <cyberanger> was that what you needed <cyberanger> sudo apt-get autoremove, should have been it <chris4585> cyberanger, also we may be getting cable down our road in about a month :D <orangeninja> yep that's the one I think <cyberanger> chris4585: sweet <chris4585> cyberanger, I'm trying to not get my hopes up though <cyberanger> orangeninja: removes the older kernels, which is more than minimum of what you asked <cyberanger> but it pulls the entries out too <orangeninja> that's all i need to input or sudo apt-get uptate autoremove <chris4585> just autoremove <orangeninja> chris4585: this is all I got after I did it : orangeninja@orange-crush:~$ sudo apt-get autoremove <orangeninja> [sudo] password for orangeninja: <orangeninja> Reading package lists... Done <orangeninja> Building dependency tree <orangeninja> Reading state information... Done <orangeninja> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. <orangeninja> orangeninja@orange-crush:~$ sudo apt-get autoremove <chris4585> you shouldn't have any older kernels then? <chris4585> when you do that command it will remove older kernels <chris4585> if nothing happens then there are no older kernels <cyberanger> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get autoremove <cyberanger> covers it all <cyberanger> upgrades too <orangeninja> ha, ha I guess I'll know next time I restart. I had about 5 or 6 tonight when I started though <Juzzy> <cyberanger> Juzzy: I do, when I can <Juzzy> <cyberanger> how many machines <Juzzy> <cyberanger> and do you need the hardware, or other means <Juzzy> 5-10 or so <Juzzy> Not picky at this point <cyberanger> and you need the hardware, or have it? <Juzzy> need it for our school <cyberanger> understand that, just haven't had any computers in awhile (now that I know to lookout for them, just a matter of how fast) <Juzzy> well we don't have room until next school year <cyberanger> shame BAT is no more, closer to you, and might have been willing to help <Juzzy> ah <cyberanger> so there's time <Juzzy> yea <Juzzy> we're a 501c3, so we can do donation tax writeoff letters <cyberanger> I'll put that on our agenda too <Juzzy> but dont sweat too much I'll prolly find something around here <cyberanger> same as my school I graduated from, that's easy enough to work with <cyberanger> with that timeline, you've barely started this sesmester ;-) <cyberanger> can't sweat yet <Juzzy> yea would be nice to secure something tho <Juzzy> one more thing off my plate <Juzzy> im the chairman of the board <Juzzy> well i'm off to bed <Juzzy> I'll tty tomorrow <Juzzy> or later <Juzzy> :> <cyberanger> Juzzy: what school? <Juzzy> Lewisburg Christian Academy <vychune> hello? <cyberanger> hey vychune <vychune> morning <vychune> whats on tap for the meet? <cyberanger> renewing our domain name <cyberanger> memphis should be sharing with us how their meeting went <cyberanger> hopefully more <cyberanger> but that's what I'm sure of now <wrst> cyberanger: i may or may not be there tonight, but if you need some financial help on the domain name let me know <cyberanger> wrst: sure will <vychune> what about using ubuntutn? <cyberanger> vychune: what do you mean? <vychune> how about using ubuntutn.com or .org? <cyberanger> we already have www.ubuntu-tennessee.org which is consistant with how other teams named theirs <cyberanger> this is just a renewal <vychune> oh ok <cyberanger> as far as what our loco will maintain, figure holding what we have it the best atm <vychune> cool <vychune> wb <nairanvac> Hey, guys. I'm having an issue with installing from a flash drive <wrst> well crud i could have helped nairanvac... come back :) <wrst> xTEMPLARx: awesome facebook photobar thing <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: some progress today on swissknife-router <cyberanger> gotta run, but I'll fill you in on it later <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: it might be a breakthrough on the mesh issue too <cyberanger> which is annoyingly a key requirement <cyberanger> it's worth getting it, just the non technical issues <pace_t_zulu> wrst: natty alpha 2 is out today <wrst> cool pace_t_zulu i will upgrade when i get home... or actually might just reinstall <pace_t_zulu> i'm going to do a fresh install for sure <wrst> actually probably will reinstall i have some wireless issues and see if that is solved <cyberanger> wrst: I'd try both <cyberanger> first the upgrade <cyberanger> for curousity sake <wrst> cyberanger: i've been keeping the system upgraded but that's never fixed the wireless issue <wrst> but last upgraded, day before yesterday <cyberanger> what is the issue, exactly? * cyberanger needs to update his install from a month ago <wrst> cyberanger: when i pull in the wireless driver using jockey, the broadcom sta driver it doesn't work, says available but not activated <wrst> so thought i would go the firmware cutter method, but that didn't work completely i have to load the module every time <cyberanger> wrst: hrm, do you know what your card is <wrst> i shoul have just put it in the well werever the modules are loaded but just didn't do that <cyberanger> and the broadcom chip it uses <wrst> broadcom 4312 <wrst> cyberanger: i think some configs got messed up i just hadn't worried much about it since i knew a reinstall would be the ultimate on this anyway <cyberanger> I'll look into it in a bit <cyberanger> yes, aside from any other detail <wrst> and some of the auto configs of the firmware cutter packages was not working either so just alpha being alpha <cyberanger> such as the drive jockey's pulling being DOA <wrst> cyberanger: where/what does ubuntu use for the modules at start up? <cyberanger> dang, battery here <cyberanger> I'll answer that in a bit <cyberanger> need to hold back some juice so this works as a phone still, not a brick <wrst> ha ha ok cyberanger on know in arch its /etc/rc.conf <pace_t_zulu> wrst: installing in a VM now <wrst> cool pace_t_zulu i have it downloading on my server at home <pace_t_zulu> wow ... alpha 2 is not so good in a VM <pace_t_zulu> and by not so good i mean really poor <pace_t_zulu> i thought my alpha 1 install had just deteriorated with all the changes that have been going on... but a fresh alpha 2 install is just as bad <wrst> that's not good pace_t_zulu <wrst> i will see on bare metal, its been good for me there <cyberanger> wrst: what was the question? <wrst> i had a question? cyberanger? :) <cyberanger> yes, now you have three, and I answered two ;-) * wrst is now more confused than ever <cyberanger> kernel modules related <cyberanger> If I recall <wrst> oh where is the config file in ubuntu for the startup modules <wrst> in arch its /etc/rc.conf i use that all the time there, but thankfully in ubuntu i have never needed it :) * wrst should have just googled it but asking cyberanger was easier today since he brought it up <cyberanger> wrst: I brought it up <cyberanger> and in ubuntu if I recall, same place <wrst> i thought so because i was just going to reinstall natty and not worry with my wireless module not loading :) <cyberanger> depends if they adjusted from debian, don't think they did <wrst> yeah i will just reinstall :D <cyberanger> if reinstall = suceess; then echo woohoo <cyberanger> else echo whoowhoo > /dev/null <cyberanger> fi * wrst goes off to install alpha 2! #ubuntu-us-tn 2011-02-04 <cyberanger> meeting in 30 <cyberanger> I should be back in 5 <wrst> hurry back <cyberanger> wrst: quick enough <cyberanger> I forgot I had to check my mail on the way, 7 minutes ;-) <elijah-mbp> greetings <cyberanger> greetings stranger, pull up a stool <cyberanger> the bar is open ;-) <elijah-mbp> *takes a squat* <cyberanger> we have linux, it's my best brand of free beer <cyberanger> and once we fill you up with that, and we can tell your drunk, the speech usually follows <cyberanger> ;-) <cyberanger> how's it going elijah-mbp <elijah-mbp> just tired. <cyberanger> hey orangeninja <elijah-mbp> really things are pretty good, i just have a lot of stuff going on. <cyberanger> elijah-mbp: Advil PM might help with tired <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: you going to chair? <cyberanger> landfills might help with having too much stuff, doesn't work for me <cyberanger> humour aside, hope it eases on you elijah-mbp <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: I can <cyberanger> do you have anything for an adgenda? <elijah-mbp> thank you much, cybes. sympathy is appreciated :) <elijah-mbp> on the subject of ubuntu <elijah-mbp> has anyone gotten to the point of turning in their ubuntu member apps yet? <elijah-mbp> mine stalled, because i got freakishly busy with stuff. <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: please do, i have nothing for the agenda tonight <orangeninja> hey cyberranger <cyberanger> ok, give me a second to prep things and then I'll que the bot <wrst> cyberanger: your second is up <cyberanger> cyberanger: and a note to myself, use the wiki <cyberanger> wrst: well, how about a minute, see if west tn leadership is gonna show up, since one item is both of them, the other is at least one <cyberanger> and linuxman410 I guess will just show or not (can't help that) <wrst> or might show and give us 15 seconds to respond cyberanger :) <netritious> howdy locotn <cyberanger> netritious just showed, gathered my notes <cyberanger> jfenn2199 is out tonight I guess <cyberanger> just one more minute, last bit here <netritious> how's everyone? * cyberanger is pulling stats from chattacon's mirror server I ran, shame I didn't have a digital copy <wrst> hey netritious <cyberanger> netritious: enjoying the Chaos <cyberanger> wait, that's not right <cyberanger> :-| <cyberanger> ok, I'm ready if everyone else is <netritious> hey cyberanger, wrst <pace_t_zulu> ready <cyberanger> #startmeeting <MootBot> Meeting started at 19:08. The chair is cyberanger. <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] <wrst> set <pace_t_zulu> first! o/ <pace_t_zulu> damnit wrst <netritious> o/ <wrst> :) <wrst> o/ <cyberanger> [topic] internet fads, like saying FIRST <MootBot> New Topic: internet fads, like saying FIRST <cyberanger> jking <cyberanger> [topic] sitrep <MootBot> New Topic: sitrep * wrst is all business tonight * netritious is tired <wrst> i have a pregnant wife so may be spotty for this meeting :\ * orangeninja just signed up! <cyberanger> netritious: how about you kick that off, I know you had one meetup in west tn <netritious> and I have about 20 minutes, 30 max <pace_t_zulu> i'm cool with this being a short meeting <netritious> cool pace_t_zulu <cyberanger> netritious: how did your last meeting in memphis go ? <cyberanger> should be fairly short <netritious> Yes, there was a meeting in Memphis at the Midsouth Makers hackerspace <cyberanger> two small things <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i'm a fan of short meetings regardless of what they involve <cyberanger> netritious: turnout, did it work <netritious> *meetup <cyberanger> I mean, everyone was cool with a loco meetup at a hackerspace <cyberanger> ? <netritious> Svpernova09, Dan9186, "Rick", and myself <cyberanger> was the hackerspace also there? <netritious> It seems so <cyberanger> so, four people, good place <netritious> It seems so :) <cyberanger> ok, pace_t_zulu anything for middle? <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: nothing for middle <cyberanger> ok <pace_t_zulu> is anyone aware of any new members from middle tn? * orangeninja is middle tn <cyberanger> well, I'll use the term, more active <cyberanger> than I recall <pace_t_zulu> last meetup we had included no regulars from irc <cyberanger> at least two, orangeninja being one <pace_t_zulu> orangeninja: good to hear <netritious> on that note, are there any new members in west tn? <netritious> hi orangeninja <cyberanger> netritious: we've had some more active from west tn <netritious> awesome <cyberanger> orias If I recall <cyberanger> east tn, sorta <pace_t_zulu> orangeninja: where in middle tn are you? <cyberanger> I've nudged some lately <cyberanger> see how it goes <orangeninja> pace_t_zulu: Nashville <pace_t_zulu> orangeninja: me too <pace_t_zulu> orangeninja: what part of nashville <orangeninja> Bellevue area West part of town <pace_t_zulu> orangeninja: cool, west nashville here too <linuxman410> launchpad still sending mail to wrong address <orangeninja> cool. <pace_t_zulu> orangeninja: feel free to add yourself to the members page on our wiki <pace_t_zulu> [link]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TennesseeTeam/Members <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TennesseeTeam/Members <cyberanger> in East TN, there was Chattacon's computer gaming, I tested a local mirror, and gonna continue working on it, hopefully it can be turned into a installfest kit <pace_t_zulu> orangeninja: would the vanderbilt area work for you for meetups? <orangeninja> pace_t_zulu: ok, I will I am trying to figure this open key thing out as we speak <orangeninja> pace_t_zulu: yeah, I think it'll be fine. <cyberanger> it did it's job exceptionally, great turnout, dunno if it got anyone intrested in ubuntu though (hard to guage directly) <cyberanger> and the domain is up for renewal, sounds like that's covered <cyberanger> sorry, didn't mean to cut you two off <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu, orangeninja, anything to add? <netritious> ty cyberanger <cyberanger> last thing, it's come to my attetion, our blog could use more content <cyberanger> keep things fresh <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: no worries... <netritious> how did this come to your attention? <cyberanger> so if anyone has any ubuntu related material, feel free to blog about it <pace_t_zulu> do we have any aspiring writers amongst us? <cyberanger> netritious: in this channel <cyberanger> wrst: was that you and I talking about that <netritious> that includes you too cyberanger :D <wrst> yes cyberanger <netritious> let's start a bash archive <pace_t_zulu> netritious: ? <pace_t_zulu> netritious: bash scripts? <cyberanger> netritious: aspiring is a bit strong, but I intend to pitch in <netritious> sure, it's easy to get into bash and might even help our indexing <netritious> those of us that can code and have handy little snippets could post them gpl or "whatever" ubuntu friendly license <cyberanger> I plan on some howto's for celluar and dial up <netritious> *"whichever" <netritious> that would be a great addition cyberanger <cyberanger> netritious: there was a recent post, and before that, august <pace_t_zulu> netritious: magic lines like the following? <pace_t_zulu> svn info -R | grep 'Last Changed Rev: ' | perl -pe "s/([\w|\s]*:\s)(\d*)/\$2/" | sort -nr | head -1 <netritious> yep :D <cyberanger> that was the issue, alot of time <elijah-mbp> ;) <cyberanger> oh, can I have the leaders, pace_t_zulu, linuxman410, netritious, jfenn2199 (who's not here) startup the leadership meetings again? <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: sure <cyberanger> when would be good <cyberanger> I figure 7:30 CST, 8:30 EST (half hour later than the team meeting) since it seems one of us usually is a little behind <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: generally i can make myself available... <cyberanger> myself and jfenn2199 it seems is common <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: should we do thursday night? <cyberanger> is the 3rd wedensday what we did? <netritious> yes <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: that's ok with me <cyberanger> we could do 3rd thursday, if you'd like <cyberanger> just something we can keep up with again <pace_t_zulu> either works for me <cyberanger> (btw: I lied when I said two things, this is three, but I think it's the last) <cyberanger> linuxman410: ? <cyberanger> does that work? <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: set a regular meeting time and i will do my best to be there <linuxman410> yes <pace_t_zulu> sorry i didn't attend the meeting last month... birthday dinner <cyberanger> linuxman410: you can do thursday? <netritious> np pace_t_zulu we all understood <linuxman410> yeah <pace_t_zulu> so 3rd thursday of each month <cyberanger> (I'm leaning on thursday, due to the bible belt here, seems the easier day, if nobody has an issue) <cyberanger> sounds like it <netritious> all for it? <pace_t_zulu> ayew <pace_t_zulu> aye <linuxman410> is first one on 17th on this month <cyberanger> [idea] Hold Leadership meetings on the 3rd Thursday, 8:30 EST, 7:30 CST ? <MootBot> IDEA received: Hold Leadership meetings on the 3rd Thursday, 8:30 EST, 7:30 CST ? <pace_t_zulu> in my calendar <cyberanger> correct? <pace_t_zulu> correct <netritious> +1 <cyberanger> [confirmed] <cyberanger> oh, different bot uses that one <cyberanger> we know we confirmed that <cyberanger> [idea] CONFIRMED: Hold Leadership meetings on the 3rd Thursday, 8:30 EST, 7:30 CST <MootBot> IDEA received: CONFIRMED: Hold Leadership meetings on the 3rd Thursday, 8:30 EST, 7:30 CST <pace_t_zulu> [agreed] <cyberanger> that works * cyberanger smacks head <cyberanger> [agreed] <MootBot> AGREED received: <pace_t_zulu> haha <cyberanger> [agreed] CONFIRMED: Hold Leadership meetings on the 3rd Thursday, 8:30 EST, 7:30 CST <MootBot> AGREED received: CONFIRMED: Hold Leadership meetings on the 3rd Thursday, 8:30 EST, 7:30 CST <netritious> ^_^ <pace_t_zulu> bueno <netritious> k guys and gals, g2g <cyberanger> this is what I get for dealing with 3 bots now (soon to be four) <wrst> later netritious have a good one <cyberanger> netritious: one last bit, keep up the good work <cyberanger> ;-) <netritious> u2 wrst, cyberanger, pace_t_zulu, orangeninja <cyberanger> see you later <netritious> and linuxman410 <netritious> brb wrst :P <pace_t_zulu> later netritious <linuxman410> see ya <wrst> ha ha see you next week netritious :) <cyberanger> I think with west tn already having something cooking <orangeninja> see ya netritious <cyberanger> and january's sucesses <cyberanger> we're good on planning events for the moment <cyberanger> if everyone could do two things, work on the blog, if your willing (and I hope some are ;-)) <cyberanger> and if we can get ideas going on our mailing list <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: what's the word on becoming an official loco? <cyberanger> for future loco events, or something you think the loco can do (leaving that one vauge, brainstorming, get all the ideas we can) <cyberanger> that'd be apprecaited <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: I'm gonna update the wiki after the meeting, with chattacon's results <cyberanger> put it up <cyberanger> and give it a go (I couldn't make the last meeting, and the storm prevented me from asking if somebody could, if we didn't show, we wouldn't qualify) <cyberanger> so this month should be golden, we put alot of work into it last month <cyberanger> and I'd call it sustained, at this point <pace_t_zulu> cool <cyberanger> one thing we do need (and this will be at the leadership plan) is to have a longer term plan, than the monthly bit <cyberanger> maybe not plan, but vision <cyberanger> I think that'd help get us approved, and help us stay active <cyberanger> even though leadership changes <cyberanger> oh, and the next month or so, I've got some changes in my life, kinda rocks the boat a little <cyberanger> but I'm pretty much an internet addict, so it shouldn't affect the loco much <cyberanger> it didn't last time (when I had no ISP here) <cyberanger> this time I have a plan that'll hold even better than my month out of town in june <cyberanger> gotta be a little more frugal in my budgetting, killing the current ISP, before they take my other arm and leg <cyberanger> so, I might not be on as much (which is practically 24/7 now, so I'm talking 12/6 ;-)) <cyberanger> I'm not concerned, it's enough to metion, not enough for worry <cyberanger> that's all I got <cyberanger> should I close? <pace_t_zulu> motion to adjourn <pace_t_zulu> ? <pace_t_zulu> is there anyone else here? <cyberanger> seconded by MootBot <pace_t_zulu> haha <orangeninja> ha <cyberanger> all in favor, <pace_t_zulu> aye * cyberanger takes the laughter as a yes <cyberanger> any opposed <cyberanger> none <cyberanger> great <cyberanger> #endmeeting <MootBot> Meeting finished at 19:50. <pace_t_zulu> nice <pace_t_zulu> i gotta get going <pace_t_zulu> later y'all <cyberanger> see you pace_t_zulu <orangeninja> see you pace_t_zulu <cyberanger> OH, SNAP <orangeninja> what? <cyberanger> the mailing list's daily digest is b0rked <cyberanger> acts as a monthly digest <cyberanger> trying to fix that <cyberanger> meant for that to be in the meeting <cyberanger> I'll stick it in the mailing list, it was just an announcement anyhow <vychune> im sorrry <vychune> that im late as hell <cyberanger> and short stay, after the meeting <orangeninja> ha ha <Xpistos> morning all <wrst> morning Xpistos <Xpistos> morning wrst <wrst> you doing ok Xpistos? <Xpistos> I am alive <Xpistos> can't complain beyond that <Svpernova09> Anyone have any experience with webhosting company that offers PCI compliant hosting accounts? <Svpernova09> I don't want to colo a machine, I just want an account. <cyberanger> Svpernova09: what are you wanting it for? <cyberanger> I assume your referring to PCI DSS <cyberanger> and not wanting a dedicated machine, having to colo one <cyberanger> and wanting it secure for cc payments (thus the PCI Compliant bit) <Svpernova09> Yea <Svpernova09> I just need to be able to have security metrics scan it and pass it. <Svpernova09> about to test drive websitesource.com <cyberanger> I don't trust that for anything less than a VPS <cyberanger> easy to pass when you hand them cash, they get sloppy, you suffer when it happens <cyberanger> bueratic quagmire <Svpernova09> meh, I scan monthly so if a site fails I can time to get it fixed or move it. <Svpernova09> PCI DSS says you have to pass once quarterly <Svpernova09> For my class anyway. <Svpernova09> And our websites have to be so nimble, I can't afford to do anything other htan a managed hosting account. I just don't have time to VPS and build everything out and manage it myself. <cyberanger> there's allways a tradeoff <Svpernova09> Yep. Mainly I don't know centos well enough to build it bulletproof enough for hosting. And it comes to down the fact that I'd much rather pay them to do it and manage it. I always have a local copy of the data so if they roll over, die, or fall into the ocean I can have a site up and running before dns finishes propagating. <cyberanger> Svpernova09: with your requirements, and my trust in that standard (read: lack of) I can't recommend any <cyberanger> but there are many that meet your criteria <cyberanger> you might have to ask the host, not all cite the alphabet soup of certs and such on their site <cyberanger> Svpernova09: netrious would be worth asking <Svpernova09> Yeah <cyberanger> also, centos isn't as hard as most expect, different from ubuntu, but reletavely small, centos being a common work distro due to cpanel, so despite my debian leanings, I am current on it <cyberanger> and if you can lock down one distro, you can lock them all <cyberanger> same tools mostly <cyberanger> if everything goes right, all work <pace_t_zulu> wrst: you there? <wrst> hey pace_t_zulu i'm presente! <pace_t_zulu> how'd the natty install go? <cyberanger> anything goes wrong <pace_t_zulu> wrst: how'd the natty alpha 2 install go? <cyberanger> man my connection cut out there <wrst> pace_t_zulu: without any issue <wrst> it finally picked my 10.10 install back up with grub 2 <pace_t_zulu> wrst: how is the themeing? <pace_t_zulu> wrst: the default gnome theme is what i am seeing in my vbox install <wrst> good they have added the new look to the applications and the search somewhat works <pace_t_zulu> and the vbox guest additions won't build because it says it can't find the correct kernel headers (even though the linux-headers package is installed <wrst> probably nothing out there for the -8 kernel yet? i think its just now a RC isn't it? <pace_t_zulu> i hope it gets sorted out soon <pace_t_zulu> wrst: which brand graphics do you reckon is better.... nvidia or ati? <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i've always had better luck with nvidia, but ati has the best opensource drivers <pace_t_zulu> yea, my current mac pro has nvidia... the new one has ati <wrst> and I suppose intel is the most open source friendly but they are not exactly performance grade <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i've always heard that ati did not keep up with their proprietary drivers, but before my card got deprecated i had no real issues, but i must say i like nvidia's linux config gui a lot better <pace_t_zulu> yea... intel is probably the best support wise... not performance wise <pace_t_zulu> i'm glad i have intel in my macbook <wrst> my nvidia card on my desktop is nice i have really liked them <cyberanger> broad statement, intel wins, , after that it's firing a gun, with 1 in 5 being a dud <wrst> cyberanger: that being said i have two intel graphic machines at work with horrible problems when i try to run any linux distro on them :) <cyberanger> wrst: what chip? <cyberanger> oh, and I did start to look into your wifi chip <wrst> intel 845 somethign cyberanger its not a particularly good windows chip actually <wrst> cyberanger: they still don't have it working in alpha 2 <wrst> the broadcom that is <cyberanger> wrst: since it's a natty issue, hard to spot, mutiple bug reps. <cyberanger> I'll keep a look <wrst> cyberanger: i have been too, i can tell its a known issue so i'm not going to make any more noise on it until a solution is available then i will test that <cyberanger> as for the intel, that's a poor chip, might help with 3d effects on a boat anchor <wrst> ha ha even when not trying 3d which is disabled in later ubuntu <wrst> s <wrst> its not very good <cyberanger> wrst: well, to clarify, it's the issues to fix I'm looking at (for broadcom) <cyberanger> for intel, what's the specs <wrst> oh intel 845/g <wrst> it doesn't work well with anything :) <cyberanger> for the whole system <cyberanger> trying to gather it's era <cyberanger> sounds old, not new <cyberanger> just trying to date it <wrst> 6 years or so cyberanger <cyberanger> about the same for my workhorse <cyberanger> what processer type? <cyberanger> did it predate vista, or around then? <wrst> predate, by a little <cyberanger> so, Xp design dating 2004 at best <cyberanger> based on the chip and timing 2003-04 intel 2d chip <cyberanger> possibly a little newer, but not by much to predate vista designs <wrst> yes, 3d did work with 8.04/8.10 i beleieve <wrst> not well <wrst> but worked sorta <cyberanger> well, design focus was 2d <cyberanger> in that era <wrst> yes , but that doesn't work very well :) <cyberanger> they can do more, but it'd be lime moving a house with a ford pinto <cyberanger> brb <wrst> ha ha yes i would just like for them to do what a pinto is suposed to do <wrst> but they are just crappy cards so that's pretty much that <cyberanger> wrst: explode on impact? <wrst> yes <cyberanger> well, as much I like having a blast, that would be a waste <netritious> TGIF <pace_t_zulu> anyone know what "-30-" means on twitter? <netritious> I have no idea pace_t_zulu <pace_t_zulu> no one seems to <pace_t_zulu> netritious: ^ <netritious> in what context do you see it? just like that by itself? <netritious> google just gives me "30SECONDSTOMARS" results <pace_t_zulu> netritious: a friend of mine was asking <pace_t_zulu> netritious: http://largelandmammal.tumblr.com/post/3110301111/and-with-a-single-tweet-i-get-to-add-three-more <pace_t_zulu> netritious: seems to be an explanation here http://www.ajr.org/article.asp?id=4408 <Svpernova09> netritious: 7pm republic coffee DO IT #ubuntu-us-tn 2011-02-05 <netritious> Svpernova09: NO lol <netritious> no really, having dinner with fam <netritious> *had dinner with fam <netritious> we're fixing to play JD2 <orangeninja> JD2? <Svpernova09> Meeting > family <wrst> Svpernova09: you married? :) <cyberanger> Svpernova09: backwards <cyberanger> I'd rather have a member willingly step down for what they know is important, where they will (hopefully) come back when things calm a little <cyberanger> than piss a member off, to where they never come back or recommend the loco <netritious> JD2=Just Dance 2 <netritious> Meeting > family? psh you just wait Svpernova09 lol <netritious> anyways I'm out...cya <Svpernova09> Yes I'm married, was just giving netritious a hard time :_X <Dan9186> the not married one is me <Dan9186> and that is about to change <Svpernova09> OLD BALL AND CHAIN <Dan9186> she is older than i am <wrst> ha ha Svpernova09 yeah you know that doesn't work out that way then :D <vychune> morning <orias> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280625155361 <wrst> awesome orias :) <orias> :p #ubuntu-us-tn 2011-02-06 <vychune> anybody home? <cyberanger> nope <cyberanger> but I am here ;-) <cyberanger> what's up vychune <vychune> nothing watching anime on youtube again <vychune> sorry i missed the meet i was at work <cyberanger> happens <cyberanger> unfortunately, paying the internet bill is more important than using the internet for irc <vychune> lol <vychune> what are you up to? <chibihogoshino> cyberanger: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/AxVtfWWH4tw/Bill-Gates-Says-Anti-Vaccine-Effort-Kills-Children <cyberanger> vychune: not much, just a little work <vychune> oh ok <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: well, he's either right or wrong <chibihogoshino> lol <chibihogoshino> yeah <cyberanger> unfortunately, both options involve risk of death <vychune> something to think about <cyberanger> Newton's laws of motion <cyberanger> law of unintended consequences <cyberanger> Finagle's Law of Dynamic Negatives <cyberanger> all three show how that fight is a huge mess <vychune> yep <chibihogoshino> yeah <vychune> you heard about bing stealing Google results ? <cyberanger> nope <cyberanger> I find it hard to steal information <vychune> lol * cyberanger now catches the hockey game <cyberanger> and wow, my team is really killing today, against it's rival, who last two years won the championship <cyberanger> I expected this to be a losing game, a slaughter on ice <cyberanger> man, this is a sad game for the other team <cyberanger> gonna head offline for a bit <wrst> cyberanger: have you tried unity yet? <vychune> you have? <cyberanger> wrst: a little <wrst> alpha 2 has regressed a little for me <vychune> i cant get it to install (im trying 2d) <cyberanger> vychune: why 2D <vychune> i have a mesa card <wrst> ahh vychune that stinks <vychune> ikr <vychune> i cant get it to install <vychune> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10431993#post10431993 <wrst> hmm vychune are you trying that on 10.10? <vychune> yes <vychune> xubuntu <wrst> are you installing unity 2d from a ppa? <wrst> or is it in the repos? <vychune> not sure <wrst> i'm betting 10.10 may not ever have the dependencies possibly? <vychune> oh <wrst> at least that's what the errors are about <vychune> yeah <wrst> vychune: http://techie-buzz.com/foss/ubuntu-unity-2d-install.html <vychune> taking a look <vychune> hey a guy from another chan can use irc and torrent but cant sruf the net why not? <wrst> vychune: cyberanger will be better on this but probably something with his connection of course, i've had that same isue before <wrst> i don't really know what the deal was <vychune>
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