#xubuntu-devel 2010-10-01 * You're now known as ubuntulog <TheSheep> http://identi.ca/conversation/52856133#notice-53456421 <TheSheep> :( <charlie-tca> Well, we can't please everybody #xubuntu-devel 2010-10-04 <charlie-tca> Are we taking a step back? GDM is asking for a user name again <charlie-tca> as in, only user on system, must type in username <charlie-tca> hmm, this was a maverick encrypted LVM install, it won't allow me to login. I will try a non-encrypted install, then. <cody-somerville> Ristretto's lack of print support makes me sad. <charlie-tca> I understand that. Not being able to login was pretty bad <charlie-tca> OTOH, I am hoping that I screwed up, and can really log in to gdm in maverick images <cody-somerville> That sucks too, lol. <charlie-tca> sucks even more. I can't log in on non-encrypted installation either <charlie-tca> alternate 386 image. Seems it forgets to create the user! <charlie-tca> Maverick ISO for today does not create the user! GDM won't authenticate the missing user <charlie-tca> known and fixed issue <charlie-tca> well, at least that "no user" issue isn't limited today. The desktop live environment fails too! <TheSheep> you might want to replace aumix with amixer in default key bindings -- aumix doesn't work anymore <mr_pouit> default key bindings use xfce4-volumed <TheSheep> ah, I must have settings from before a couple of versions then <TheSheep> funny, neither xfce4-volumed --help nor man xfce4-volumed works :/ <mr_pouit> yeah, there are no options anyway ;> <TheSheep> then how am I supposed to bind it to the keys? <mr_pouit> it's just a daemon which grabs your VolUp/VolDown/VolMute keys and change the gstreamer mixer properties <mr_pouit> you don't need to do anything <TheSheep> well, it doesn't <TheSheep> ok, thanks <mr_pouit> yeah, the new release works better <mr_pouit> (relies on libkeybinder that is really able to grabs keysâ¦) <TheSheep> well, I upgraded to 10.10 yesterday... <TheSheep> or do you mean 'the version in the repository' by 'new release'? <mr_pouit> no, v. 0.1.9, released on Sep 25 <mr_pouit> too late for maverick ;-( <TheSheep> funny thing, --version doesn't work either :) <TheSheep> launchpad has 0.1.6 <TheSheep> then again, you might consider using amixer, which happens to work #xubuntu-devel 2010-10-05 <Book_em_Dano> Does anyone know the correct command to upgrade a computer to the most recent development release? xubuntu-docs states that the command is gksudo update-manager -c -d, but this is not correct. <mr_pouit> probably gksudo "update-manager -c -d" <Book_em_Dano> thanks mr_pouit I just figured that out <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: you around? <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, yup <charlie-tca> wiki.ubuntu.com won't let me login to edit anything. Who do I contact on that? <charlie-tca> It goes to "User Preferences" everytime I hit "login" <charlie-tca> Oh, my! what a week to test maverick. Blew up my cd-rw today, took 45 minutes to get the system to boot <charlie-tca> Can't get in to edit anything, including xubuntu team reports <charlie-tca> rsync is taking about 3 hours already, and I am 3/4 done <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, Try clearing your cookies and trying again <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, if that doesn't work, I'd bug someone in #canonical-sysadmin <charlie-tca> Thanks <charlie-tca> Same thing with cookies cleared <charlie-tca> Thanks, cody-somerville. Seems it is a wide user problem right now if you are not logged in already <cody-somerville> good thing I didn't try relogging in then, lol <charlie-tca> yup <charlie-tca> got it fixed now. It was MoinMoin doing something, I think <TheSheep> lies! <charlie-tca> Huh? <charlie-tca> Here or there? <TheSheep> check my cloak ;) <charlie-tca> Oh <charlie-tca> Yeah, but that doesn't mean Canonical didn't do something to break it, does it? <charlie-tca> MoinMoin doesn't break by itself <TheSheep> then it's canonical doing something ;) <charlie-tca> sorry <charlie-tca> lol <TheSheep> actually it does, but that's a different story #xubuntu-devel 2010-10-06 <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: 64bit desktop image is oversized. We are supposed to be testing these final images now. The release team would like testing finished by Friday night, if possible. Can you take a look at the image, please? <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: pitti fixed it today <mr_pouit> (removed italian langpack) <charlie-tca> Great! Thank you #xubuntu-devel 2010-10-07 <charlie-tca> All images are being rebuilt and require testing again. I will be out for most of today. Please help with testing if you can. #xubuntu-devel 2010-10-08 <charlie-tca__> mr_pouit: Xubuntu Maverick 64bit desktop image is 712MB. I was told you should trim it down, please <charlie-tca__> <charlie-tca__> pitti: ^ ^ ^ still need to trim more <charlie-tca__> <slangasek> charlie-tca__: what should be trimmed? That's a decision for the xubuntu devs rather than the release team, isn't it? <charlie-tca__> Got something happening. Changes were not made as requested, but are happening now. <charlie-tca__> <slangasek> in fact, from what I see the changes didn't take because we haven't done a task regeneration run in the archive since the seeds were changed <charlie-tca__> slangasek gave it a hard push, just waiting for the respin of the desktop images now <charlie-tca> highvoltage: you around? <charlie-tca> Edubuntu 64bit live environment in VirtualBox gave me a "iTalc client closed unexpectedly" error. Is this known? <highvoltage> charlie-tca: yep, it does it on a full machine too while in the live environment <highvoltage> charlie-tca: we can only fix that for natty, unfortunately <charlie-tca> Okay, thanks <charlie-tca> live cd testing in progress #xubuntu-devel 2010-10-09 <charlie-tca> Final release notes for Maverick are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/MaverickMeerkat/Final . <charlie-tca> Please feel free to improve them #xubuntu-devel 2010-10-10 <sladen> http://xubuntu.org/news/10.10-release <<--- linked in the release announcement is 404 <charlie-tca> I never even saw the release announcement before it published <charlie-tca> sladen: Would have been nice to ask first! <sladen> charlie-tca: sorry, I wasn't involved with it. I don't know what the mechanism is for agreeing the URLs <sladen> charlie-tca: they could just well be a search and replace from 10.04! <charlie-tca> being in canonical employment this time around <charlie-tca> We'll have the announcement up after the website guy gets up. <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: Can you or vinnl get the mirrors updated to show 10.10 on http://xubuntu.org/getubuntu ? <Aquina> I'm referring to http://pastebin.com/n9bkjfJc and let you know my employee allowed me to host something and also put in a server into the employee-rack (just for me/us) which is awsome. UNFORTUNATELY they only allow to use theses systems for OURSELVES (compile, host, do wahtever we want to) for security and economic reasons. Thus hosting Xubuntu to the public is not allowed. :-( I'm sorry.. I tried hard! <owen1> guys, a new version of xubuntu is available! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/10.10/release/ <owen1> can someone update the site? <owen1> this link can't be found anywhere. <mr_pouit> only a few people have access to the website, and they didn't show up today <vinnl> Hi! <vinnl> Has 10.10 been released yet? (i.e. can I add a message to xubuntu.org? :) <vinnl> Seems like the download is already available :) <mr_pouit> yup, since 10am <vinnl> OK thanks <vinnl> There: http://xubuntu.org/news/10.10-release <vinnl> Sorry it's late (is it? 10am CET?) <mr_pouit> mmh, the fontpage still shows a link about 10.04 <mr_pouit> *front <mr_pouit> "Xubuntu 10.04 is now available!" <vinnl> Oh hmm, will update that, good that you mention it <vinnl> What was the name of the new theme again? <mr_pouit> bluebird <vinnl> Ah thanks <vinnl> Oh wait, I sent the email without adding that to it, didn't I? :P <mr_pouit> huhu, yeah, the new theme is called () :p <vinnl> Crap :P #xubuntu-devel 2010-10-11 <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, done <charlie-tca> Thanks! That was a bit of a snag <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, Whats your preferred e-mail address these days? <charlie-tca> I been using emily84@example.com a lot, but also emily84@example.com <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, I've just created you an account on xubuntu.org <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, you should have full privileges <charlie-tca> Oh <charlie-tca> You mean don't wait, huh? <charlie-tca> Thank you <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, I've set it up so you can use OpenID to login <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, but I recommend you change your password after logging in anyhow for security reasons. <charlie-tca> Okay, great! <charlie-tca> I can do that <vidd> i love the new artwork <charlie-tca> thank you , vidd <charlie-tca> Thank knome, when you see him <vidd> i just dont like the shade/ninimize etc buttons <vidd> looks so MAC-ish <vidd> do you change that under "Appearance? <vidd> or windaow manager? <vidd> i got it...nvrmd <vidd> now i can evict debian from THIS system and get xubuntu on it <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, dunno if you saw but visits more than doubled yesterday to website <charlie-tca> That's a good thing <charlie-tca> Now we just have to keep going, right/ <cody-somerville> :) #xubuntu-devel 2010-10-12 <charlie-tca> Actually, vidd, I did it with 192MB <vidd> yes...but you know what your doing =] <charlie-tca> true <charlie-tca> I seriously am thinking troll here now. Everyday he asks the same questions <cody-somerville> who? <charlie-tca> jrmy #xubuntu-devel 2010-10-13 <charlie-tca> Xubuntu OpenWeek session is 2010-10-14 at 15:00 UTC! right after Mr. Mark Shuttleworth, of course. Everybody invited - #ubuntu-classroom #xubuntu-devel 2010-10-14 <charlie-tca> Ubuntu Open Week - Ask Mark Shuttleworth on now, xubuntu session will be at 15:00 UTC, 1 hour away <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek #xubuntu-devel 2010-10-15 <pleia2> charlie-tca: I have been thinking some, where on the "stuff that should be done" list is the new website theme? <charlie-tca> Didn't I add it? <pleia2> add it? <charlie-tca> wait! what new website theme? <pleia2> well there was one proposed when the rebranding happened <charlie-tca> for http://xubuntu.org or wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu ? <pleia2> xubuntu.org <pleia2> it still has our old logo and everything <charlie-tca> I must be behind. <charlie-tca> yeah, add it. It might need updating <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand2?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=xubuntu-site.png <pleia2> I don't know who made it, but that was floating around <pleia2> does a "stuff that should be done" list exist? :) <charlie-tca> yup <charlie-tca> Let me find it <pleia2> thanks <pleia2> I took much of the maverick cycle off due to work concerns, but I'm hoping to help out with xubuntu for this cycle <charlie-tca> Here it is - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap <pleia2> website is something I can help with :) <charlie-tca> That would be great <pleia2> ok, shall I add this to "new objectives for natty"? * pleia2 does <charlie-tca> Let's go with natty <charlie-tca> I think that was the planned template for moving the website to wordpress, too. <pleia2> that would be nice, any idea what it's running now? <charlie-tca> no one, I think. Knome was going to do it. <charlie-tca> vinnl and cody-somerville keep it updated for us <charlie-tca> vinnl is the website lead <charlie-tca> Oh, wrong answer. <charlie-tca> I think it is Drupal now * pleia2 nods <pleia2> it's canonical-hosted so drupal makes sense <pleia2> and I'll touch base with vinnl about all this <pleia2> thanks :) <charlie-tca> right. I think there is a wordpress available too, now. It just came about in the last month or two, though. <charlie-tca> QA is using wordpress now. <pleia2> cool * cody-somerville has shell access so please feel free to poke me if you need me. <charlie-tca> pleia2: ^ ^ ^ <pleia2> thanks cody-somerville * cody-somerville changed the topic of #xubuntu-devel to: Xubuntu Development | Want to get involved? See: http://xubuntu.org/contribute | #xubuntu for support, #xubuntu-offtopic for general discussion | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu #xubuntu-devel 2010-10-16 <vidd> good eve mr_pouit are you here? #xubuntu-devel 2010-10-18 <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, :) <charlie-tca> Trying #xubuntu-devel 2010-10-19 <charlie-tca> Time for something new... Let's see if I can upgrade to Natty already <charlie-tca> Users can only hibernate by using root? <charlie-tca> <MaximumResults> $ /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh <charlie-tca> <MaximumResults> This utility may only be run by the root user. <charlie-tca> Maverick #xubuntu-devel 2010-10-20 <ochosi> charlie-tca: what do you think of trying to adapt the Faenza icon-theme for natty? <charlie-tca> I am not familiar with it <ochosi> http://tiheum.deviantart.com/art/Faenza-Icons-173323228?q=boost%3Apopular+faenza&qo=2 <ochosi> it's not yet xfce-complete, but i could do that for natty <ochosi> also: the folder-color would be more xubuntu-ish blue <charlie-tca> Are we going to keep them visible on light/dark panels? <ochosi> m, what exactly do you mean? <charlie-tca> Oh, by the way, the artwork mailing list is getting things going again. <ochosi> aha, didn't know there was a xubuntu-artwork mailing list <ochosi> if you mean: bright icons on dark panels and vice versa then yes <charlie-tca> Well, you know. the ones we have now kind of goes invisible on light panels now <ochosi> not entirely true, just select the normal elementary theme <charlie-tca> Those monochrome icons are really hard to see <charlie-tca> But, we are early enough in the cycle to look at new ones and get things worked out, right? <ochosi> you mean the ones in the Faenza preview? <ochosi> yes, that's why i'm mentioning it <charlie-tca> No, the elementary theme, I guess. Whatever we used in maverick <ochosi> a-ha. well as long as you're ok with what you see in the link i sent you... <ochosi> cause you can see the panel-icons in the preview as well <ochosi> anyway, will be afk for a while (or maybe even the rest of today) now, ping me if you decide anything in this matter <charlie-tca> They show up nicely there. I am hoping for something that works for accessibility in Natty. They look like they will work. <ochosi> well, you will get exactly what you see in this preview <ochosi> ;) <charlie-tca> I will grab them and try it, too. <ochosi> (i'm not going to re-invent them) <ochosi> sure, go ahead <ochosi> i think the toolbar-icons also work out pretty nicely <ochosi> very good contrast on bright themes <ochosi> (and i think we should continue with a bright theme) <charlie-tca> Thanks <charlie-tca> I would like to keep the bright theme. <ochosi> well, i guess i would rework it a bit for natty <ochosi> but we can discuss that at some point <ochosi> as i said, just ping me <charlie-tca> Okay. thanks #xubuntu-devel 2010-10-21 <charlie-tca> ochosi: I like the faenza icons <charlie-tca> They do show up very well in my light panels <ochosi> charlie-tca: good to hear * charlie-tca will wear an Ethanol hat to UDS <StAlphonzo> I'm testing Xubuntu 10.10. There are some things I really love. The panels seem far superior to gnome panels, for instance. So much that I'm considering reading up on writing xfce panel applets. <StAlphonzo> how do they communicate with their surroundings, do they use dbus? Are there bindings for python? Are there any good introductory tutorials? :> <ochosi> StAlphonzo: i would advise you to check in #xfce-dev ;) <StAlphonzo> then I will. Thanks. :) <StAlphonzo> except that channel is moderated. :) <ochosi> ah. right, i forgot... <ochosi> uhm, maybe start out in #xfce then ;) <ochosi> if you're specifically interested in the panel, i think NSchermer is the current maintainer <ochosi> and you can also start by checking out the goodies.xfce.org (even though the site is a bit... out of date) <ochosi> in git.xfce.org you should find all the bindings and stuff <charlie-tca> Okey dokey. It's official. I am upgrading my Xubuntu Maverick that works to Xubuntu Natty <charlie-tca> apparently, Maverick did not break enough. <ochosi> good luck ;) <charlie-tca> well, you know. If there isn't any bad issues... :-) #xubuntu-devel 2010-10-23 <charlie-tca> lsb_release -a : Ubuntu natty (development branch) 11.04 <ochosi> charlie-tca: hi <charlie-tca> Hello, ochosi #xubuntu-devel 2010-10-30 <mlsmith> Hey guys...not sure if this is the place for this but I noticed during the 10.10 installation that the multimedia slide still refers to Brasero as the CD burning app <mlsmith> Also, the shortcut created for Downloads says 'Download' (singular) <j1mc> hi mlsmith - thanks. would you mind filing a bug to make sure this doesn't get lost? <mlsmith> For both? <j1mc> If it's not too much trouble <mlsmith> emily84@example.com Launchpad, right? <j1mc> yes. i'm not sure where the bug for the installer issue would go, but you could probably file the "Download" bug under Thunar <mlsmith> Ok. Thanks. <j1mc> thank you! <mlsmith> You're welcome #xubuntu-devel 2010-10-31 <ochosi> hey charlie-tca <ochosi> charlie-tca: i just wanted to let you know that i'm working on the Faenza icon-set to make it xfce-complete and whatnot. you can follow my progress here: http://wiki.knome.fi/shimmer:faenza_for_xfce <charlie-tca> Thank you for that. I am still using that icon set, and it does leave gaps. <ochosi> i know it does, look at how long my todo-list is :) <ochosi> and if you feel something that's not already on the list is missing, feel free to let me know <charlie-tca> Will do. I have to take a day or more to get my energy back, although the combined energy from UDS is really great! <mlsmith> Hey, just wanted to give the devs a high five. The 10.10 looks and works great! The wallpaper is a little too light for my taste but otherwise the theme is spot on. Great job - keep up the excellent work. <charlie-tca> thank you, mlsmith <charlie-tca> Your comment is greatly appreciated by those devs <mlsmith> Are you one? <mlsmith> not sure what the best method is to give compliments but thought this might work :-) <mlsmith> I should probably swing by the Xfce channel too huh <charlie-tca> I am the project lead <mlsmith> Very cool. So you're keeping them in line. <charlie-tca> Not so much keeping them in line as making sure we hit the deadlines and get the images right <mlsmith> I know...I was kidding :-) <mlsmith> Should I report bugs here? -> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team <mlsmith> charlie-tca: zap <charlie-tca> You can. Otherwise, it is best to just report them against the affected application using "ubuntu-bug PACKAGE" in a terminal. <mlsmith> It seems like the terminal way might be easier? Looks like I need to be approved for the Launchpad team. <mlsmith> I'm not sure what I have is a bug... <mlsmith> During installation the multimedia side still references Brasero and the Downloads shortcut says 'Download' (singular) <mlsmith> Those two don't seem application specific since it's a distro customization? <charlie-tca> already reported bugs <charlie-tca> mostly documentation errors. Slideshow takes more work to fix, and we ran out of time <mlsmith> charlie-tca: Sorry, I may have missed what you said before "already reported bugs." My connection is wonky right now. <charlie-tca> Those two items were reported already <mlsmith> ah <mlsmith> ok <mlsmith> thanks <charlie-tca> Thank you for your help <mlsmith> No problem. If I find anything else I'll be sure to report it. It would be nice if there was an easier way for regular users to report bugs. <charlie-tca> yes it would. Launchpad is what we have, though. We have to work within some limitations. <mlsmith> Understandable <mlsmith> Thanks for the info, Charlie. Have a nice day. <ochosi> charlie-tca: ah right, didn't know you were at UDS <ochosi> and anyways, it'll take a while to get this long list done and then it's time to test... <charlie-tca> uh, yeah. I thought I would try and see how this all really works. It is really amazing to be there in person <ochosi> cool <mr_pouit> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Natty/Xfce4.8 hop <charlie-tca> yay! are we really going to be able to have 4.8? <mr_pouit> 4.8 final, probably not <mr_pouit> 4.7.x, yes :p <charlie-tca> Okay :-( <charlie-tca> I'll take 4.7.x! That's a good thing now :-) <ochosi> mr_pouit: yes yes yes :) <ochosi> mr_pouit: i'm not exactly up-to-date with xfce 4.8's dependencies, but is a hal-sectomy included? <mr_pouit> at least for the core yeah <mr_pouit> for panel plugin and goodies, I'm not sure <ochosi> k, well i guess power-manager could be crucial then (or do you count that as core?) <mr_pouit> ochosi: 1.x should be hal-free <ochosi> great <charlie-tca> Is 4.7 what I am running in the natty upgrade now? * charlie-tca seems to be looking for punishment. Upgraded his daily work machine to natty just before UDS <ochosi> hehe, yeah, upgrading your daily work machine sounds like a fun idea :) <charlie-tca> heh, only way to know if it is still working is use it, right? <mr_pouit> no, you have only libxfce4util and emily84@example.com <ochosi> sure sure :) <charlie-tca> rats #xubuntu-devel 2011-10-01 <Unit193> I have some comments about the interface, but nobody is here ;P <madnick> blueman crashed today <madnick> hm, more crashes <madnick> Im not even authorized to preform shutdown O_o #xubuntu-devel 2011-10-02 <Unit193> Welcome back <micahg> customized unity greeter looks nice <GridCube> :) it does * micahg also sees blueman has an issue <GridCube> :| <Unit193> Looks to be my doing <GridCube> blueman crash out of the blue #xubuntu-devel 2011-10-03 <sebastian> help <sebastian> somebody? <ochosi> !ask | sebastian <ubottu> sebastian: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) <charlie-tca> Good morning <madnick> morning :) <micahg> good morning <ochosi> hey micahg <charlie-tca> Looking more and more like we will have to remove a language pack from Alternate AMD64 image. <charlie-tca> The image is 702.3 MB <micahg> WTH happened... <charlie-tca> no idea, it grew two days in a row last week <charlie-tca> either wed thurs or thurs fri <charlie-tca> I think both images grew, but 386 had more room <charlie-tca> micahg: libwebkit??? I think did it <karloskar> hello <karloskar> helloo <madnick> hello.. <charlie-tca> Hello, karloskar <karloskar> i have made two backgrounds for xubuntu <charlie-tca> Great! <karloskar> is there any place i can share them <charlie-tca> I will have to set up a page for Oneiric. <charlie-tca> The page will be https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Oneiric , but it does not exist yet <micahg> charlie-tca: each 7MB still <charlie-tca> micahg: I don't know then. <micahg> we should've had both before <charlie-tca> but we grew from 676MB for beta2 to 702MB now <charlie-tca> karloskar: give me today to set the page up, we will mention it in the final release notes <karloskar> here the first one is : http://tinypic.com/r/n1z87o/7 <charlie-tca> What are the licenses? <charlie-tca> Are they your own material? <karloskar> it have not any license, i made it yesterday <karloskar> is there any license i can put on it thats free? <karloskar> heres the second one: http://tinypic.com/r/2i8kakp/7 <charlie-tca> Okay, so who knows the licenses here? Is GPL recommended or cc-?? ? <karloskar> did you like them? <charlie-tca> I am partial to the second one, yes <charlie-tca> I can't see good with black/dark backgrounds, so that makes the first one hard for me to judge <karloskar> ok, here is the license, i think. im not good at that stuff http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/ <charlie-tca> karloskar: I am not either, but mr_pouit is. He knows what works best for us. He just isn't around right now <karloskar> ok <karloskar> is it not any sounds in xubuntu? <charlie-tca> I will get the wiki set up today, though. And we can include a reference to them. <charlie-tca> You have to turn them on, they are not on by default <karloskar> ok <micahg> charlie-tca: depends what you're integrating with <micahg> re licenses <karloskar> were do i turn them on? <charlie-tca> karloskar: did you unmute the volume control? double-click the speaker in the panel, turn the volume on <karloskar> thanks <charlie-tca> micahg: I tend to think of "what if we decide to use one at some point" <madnick> I used to think public domain was the best license, but then my country does not respect "Public domain" :( <charlie-tca> Yeah, I think a lot of artwork gets licensed cc-by- but I can't remember the rest of it <madnick> Meeting in 1Â½ hour? <charlie-tca> Um, yeah, sure is <charlie-tca> I am scatter-brained today <madnick> hehe, was just a bit unsure, with all the time zone changes to winter time an all that <micahg> charlie-tca: all depends on the possible level of integration you want with other projects <charlie-tca> madnick: that's why I keep it in UTC time, we can all adjust to that, but the time stays the same in at least that time zone. <madnick> oh :) <charlie-tca> micahg: that's why I defer to others for licensing. I only know sometimes they are not okay to use <charlie-tca> and, yes, time changes still are confusing <charlie-tca> I don't even know when I change time again now <micahg> in the US, it's Nov 6 <charlie-tca> really? That should make traveling and settling down after UDS fun <micahg> yes <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 30 Minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings <micahg> charlie-tca: meeting? <charlie-tca> oops <charlie-tca> sure <micahg> I'm in another meeting ATM, but will try to participate <charlie-tca> #startmeeting Xubuntu <meetingology`> Meeting started Mon Oct 3 19:02:30 2011 UTC. The chair is charlie-tca. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. <meetingology`> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired <charlie-tca> Okay, thanks, micahg <charlie-tca> #meetingname Xubuntu Community Meeting <meetingology`> The meeting name has been set to 'xubuntu_community_meeting' <charlie-tca> The agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings <charlie-tca> Reminder: please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing. If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait. <charlie-tca> Would everyone here for this meeting please wave, say hello, or something. This lets the meeting bot record those present <madnick> \:D/ <charlie-tca> o/ <micahg> o/ <beardygnome> o/ <touchpad> o/ <charlie-tca> Welcome, touchpad <touchpad> ty <charlie-tca> Is this your first meeting with us? <touchpad> yes <charlie-tca> #topic === Old Business === <charlie-tca> * madnick to test blueman in ppa:micahg/patch-test - Done <charlie-tca> I have to say, blueman developers are very response to bugs at this time. <charlie-tca> * verify top 10 FAQ and check help links in 10 <charlie-tca> Has anyone verified these yet? <charlie-tca> * docs need a version bump (s/11.04/11.10) <charlie-tca> This is done, also <charlie-tca> Okay, that is all the old business I can remember <charlie-tca> #topic === Team updates === <charlie-tca> #subtopic ==== Packaging & Development ==== <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: are you available? <charlie-tca> micahg: are you available for this update? <micahg> I guess so <charlie-tca> It's all yours <micahg> mr_pouit updated the seed for blueman after I got the updated version in <micahg> charlie-tca mentioned we might need to drop a langpack for amd64 live <charlie-tca> alternate <micahg> charlie-tca: live according to cdimage.u.c <micahg> right, you said alternate, but it's actually live <micahg> blueman had a couple bugs I"ll try to look at tonight or tomorrow <charlie-tca> sorry <micahg> charlie-tca: not a problem :) <micahg> I'm not aware of any other updates needed before release, please let mr_pouit or I know if you see something we overlooked <micahg> .. <charlie-tca> bug 437883 which is blueman crashing on login has a fix committed in bzr <ubottu> Launchpad bug 437883 in blueman (Ubuntu) "blueman-applet crashed with DBusException in call_blocking()" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/437883 <charlie-tca> Thank you very much, micahg <charlie-tca> We now have most of the updates from Xfce for the translations too <micahg> charlie-tca: I guess I need to pull a new upstream blueman snapshot <charlie-tca> yup <micahg> maybe I"ll cherry pick the commit <charlie-tca> This week is mostly bug fixing, so we should not see massive changes any more in Oneiric <micahg> I'd rather not pull in extraneous changes at this point <charlie-tca> That would work too <charlie-tca> Yes, the less the better now <charlie-tca> Any questions for packaging and development? <micahg> charlie-tca: any other ones like that that I should pull in? <charlie-tca> None that I know of <micahg> ok <charlie-tca> That's the only fix I have seen that we haven't gotten yet <micahg> charlie-tca: can I give you the package to test later? <charlie-tca> Sure, I can test it <micahg> thanks <charlie-tca> I can't test blueman, but I can test for the crash <charlie-tca> #subtopic ==== Bug Triage & Testing ==== <charlie-tca> We have done great testing our images! <charlie-tca> Thank you very much to all the testers <charlie-tca> This is the last week we test oneiric daily <charlie-tca> Most of the critical for Xubuntu bugs have been fixed, and keeping them at We are tracking the Oneiric bugs at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs/OneiricOcelot has been a big help. <charlie-tca> Any questions for testing? <charlie-tca> #subtopic ==== Website & Marketing ==== <charlie-tca> pleia2: are you available? <charlie-tca> knome: any update on the website? <pleia2> hi <charlie-tca> Hello, pleia2 <charlie-tca> Any update today? <pleia2> a few days ago I copied over some of the content from the live site to our testing wordpress site <pleia2> in this process I identified some issues, so knome has submitted a couple patches to the theme and the picslide plugin that canonical will need to pull in <pleia2> so we're continuing to work on the content migration as this moves along <pleia2> that's about it :) <charlie-tca> Thank you very much <charlie-tca> I still have hopes we make it for the release :) <charlie-tca> #subtopic ==== Artwork ==== <charlie-tca> ochosi: are you available? <charlie-tca> For those using greybird in Oneiric, you might have noticed some small changes, in the scrollbars and panels. <charlie-tca> These are to help with those of us that can't see so good anymore, and have less than perfect mouse control <charlie-tca> Thank you, ochosi, for that! <charlie-tca> Any questions on artwork? <charlie-tca> Many thanks also to madnick, we now have the new wallpaper in lightdm. <charlie-tca> Any questions up to this point? <charlie-tca> #topic === Announcements === <charlie-tca> just to see if you are paying attention: <charlie-tca> * The next meeting will be on Sunday, October 23, 2011 at 22:00 UTC. <charlie-tca> * This will be the meeting to elect a new project leader. <charlie-tca> * Important dates coming up: <charlie-tca> * We are now in UI Freeze and Beta2 Freeze; archives will remain frozen until final release. <micahg> charlie-tca: no meeting next week? <charlie-tca> * 11.10 Final Freeze: September 29 <charlie-tca> * Final candidate testing starts on October 10 <charlie-tca> * 11.10 Release Date: October 13, 2011 <madnick> October 23? <charlie-tca> * We need to update the Team Reports this week. <charlie-tca> Not if we don't need one <charlie-tca> You did notice? <micahg> next 2 weeks... <charlie-tca> Next week is release images, then we get a break <charlie-tca> We will discuss the final release and pick a new leader October 23 <charlie-tca> Please make notes about things you see a need to improve for the final release <charlie-tca> Team Reports! We seem to be behind again, so will have to roll August and September into one report <charlie-tca> Any comments? <beardygnome> o/ <charlie-tca> go ahead, beardygnome <beardygnome> so we don't meet again until after oneiric release? <charlie-tca> correct <madnick> o/ <charlie-tca> go ahead, madnick <madnick> does one need to use the ML to nominate lead? Or will there be a normal vote as well on IRC? <charlie-tca> Yes, nominations need to go to the Mailing List to keep them official <charlie-tca> The actual vote to elect the new lead will be on IRC at the October 23 meeting <madnick> oh okay <charlie-tca> We have less than two weeks now to final release of Xubuntu 11.10 <charlie-tca> * https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-users is for those new to Xubuntu. Please join this team if you are contributing or using Xubuntu. This is the group that will elect the next project leader. <charlie-tca> #subtopic Nominations for Xubuntu Project Lead <charlie-tca> * Nominations for project lead are now open. <charlie-tca> * Those wishing to nominate themselves or others should do so by email to either mailing list, or myself (emily84@example.com). <charlie-tca> * Nominations will close October 20, 2011, and the community election will be held at the meeting on October 23, 2011. If there are issues with this, please let us know between now and October 20. <charlie-tca> #topic === Any Other Business === <charlie-tca> This is now an open floor for any other discussion. <charlie-tca> I do want to thank everyone who has helped to make Xubuntu 11.10 successful! Your hard work has made this a really good, usable release for our users. <charlie-tca> I also want to thank everyone for coming to these meetings. Your participation is what makes Xubuntu strong. <charlie-tca> beardygnome, jayson_r : I expect to see reviews of 11.10 from both of you. <charlie-tca> plantoschka: I hope you are doing a review also, please. <beardygnome> charlie-tca: for the website? <charlie-tca> Is there anything else? <charlie-tca> beardygnome: sure, we need one for the website. <beardygnome> i wasn't sure if i should do one this time <charlie-tca> Also, you all have great blogs that need to have reviews posted <charlie-tca> pleia2: we can put a review on the website, right? <plantoschka> i will definietly do a youtube video <beardygnome> cos if there's things i don't like then i don't want to skip them but i don't want to criticise the team either <charlie-tca> Criticism that is accurate and helps the team improve is welcome. <pleia2> charlie-tca: it's up to the team, right now all we post on our team news page are release announcements and instructions from team members (how to do artwork, etc), we can add a reviews section of the site where we link to reviews, or decide to cross-post reviews we find to our news blog <pleia2> I like the idea of a reviews section where we link to reviews because it's a pretty common thing to have <charlie-tca> I think a review along with the release notes would be great <charlie-tca> Let's do it, then. <charlie-tca> For reviewers, final release is October 13, so the reviews should be October 13 or later <charlie-tca> or at least real close, since the images are pretty accurate already <charlie-tca> Anything else to discuss? <charlie-tca> We should welcome touchpad and jayson_r and ElderDryas to the community. <charlie-tca> and, of course, anyone else that is new here! * zus waves and thanks everyone <charlie-tca> Thank you all for joining in. Please get yourselfs signed up to the users team on launchpad! <charlie-tca> #endmeeting <meetingology`> Meeting ended Mon Oct 3 19:41:37 2011 UTC. <meetingology`> Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-10-03-19.02.moin.txt <charlie-tca> and, now, how are Magnavox CD-R's for testing? <touchpad> Is there somewhere information/pointers about ways to contribute? <touchpad> simple ways to start contributing to the community <charlie-tca> http://xubuntu.org/devel <touchpad> nice :) <charlie-tca> Oh, I forgot! <beardygnome> pleia2: just noticed this on http://xubuntu.org/devel - point 3 says "Join and contribute to one or more of the many different projects and teams of Xubuntu listed below", but the teams are listed above it <charlie-tca> Testers: after the release, we get about a month to relax before we get alpha1 images to start testing again <zus> Q: these testing img. would i create another partition and dualboot? run a virtual box, my laoptop is the only machine able to link to a internet connection, and is my workplatform. <beardygnome> pleia2: would you prefer me to send it to the ml? <pleia2> beardygnome: can you just https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/+filebug ? I am super busy this month so keeping all bugs there would help me lots :) <beardygnome> pleia2: will do <pleia2> gracias <charlie-tca> well, zus left. I will answer when they come back, then <Olbi> I try to contact with translations team of Xfce but wierd, I didnt recaive any response, even on mailing list :( <Olbi> today or tommorow I start install Xubuntu 11.10 on normal machine and testing it :) Core 2 Duo E6300, 512 MB RAM (try to add some more), GF7600GS, 160GB :) <charlie-tca> Yay! <charlie-tca> Olbi: that would be great, but don't do it if you *have* to use the machine for work <Olbi> it is only for testing :D <Olbi> I have too, Athlon II x2 250, 2x2GB Kingstone HyperX 1600 MHz, 320GB, Radeon 5750 Vapor-X :D <Olbi> only for testing :) <charlie-tca> That's good then! <charlie-tca> Having more testing always helps. <Olbi> :) <Olbi> I will check translations for my language and stability cause want some identicall machine give my familly for work :) <charlie-tca> That's a good way to do it then. <Olbi> could some1 help me contact with translation team of Xfce? not know but for future <charlie-tca> Olbi: from an Xfce developer: <charlie-tca> He or she should go to http://translations.xfce.org and create an account for Transifex <charlie-tca> Then chck transifex to see if there is a head of the Polish translator team. <charlie-tca> The person would have to contact that moderator or the team leader via Transifex <charlie-tca> Olbi: more information at http://wiki.xfce.org/translations - here's even more information <Olbi> charlie-tca: ok, thank you :) <charlie-tca> You are welcome. <Unit193> If you can't make it to the next meeting, you can't vote, right? <charlie-tca> correct <charlie-tca> According to the guidelines, the project lead will be chosen by direct vote at a public meeting, which kind of limits that part of it. <Unit193> I wasn't sure if GPG signed/encrypted message or talking to someone else would count, but I didn't think so <Unit193> genii-around: Howdy <Unit193> You just keep stalking me... <charlie-tca> It didn't occur to me to change that to allow direct voting through a voting site or anything, so we have to go with people present. <charlie-tca> My imagination is wild. I could just see 600 people show up here for the meeting and everybody trying to vote ;) <Olbi> LOL :D <genii-around> Unit193: I got back to computer and saw call for meeting here, thought I'd drop in to see if anything was still going on <Unit193> I don't remember if Bug 863599 is on record anywhere, but I didn't see it with the talk of Blueman <ubottu> Launchpad bug 863599 in blueman (Ubuntu) "blueman-manager crashed with AttributeError in SetAdapter(): 'module' object has no attribute 'DBusServiceUnknownError'" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/863599 <charlie-tca> oops <charlie-tca> missed that one today <charlie-tca> Is that in the bug reporting wiki page? <Unit193> I would guess not <charlie-tca> I will add it <Unit193> Ok, I was just about to (it isn't( <charlie-tca> Maybe micahg will get a chance to look at it today/tomorrow <Unit193> s/t(/t)/ <charlie-tca> go ahead and add it if you want to. <Unit193> I will, it's "my" bug <charlie-tca> Thanks <ochosi> charlie-tca: sorry, couldn't make it to the meeting <charlie-tca> No problem. <charlie-tca> Next meeting is October 23, 22:00 UTC to elect project lead <ochosi> yup, noted :) <Unit193> You already guessed I couldn't make it, but I'm not as needed as head of artwork ;) <charlie-tca> Yup <charlie-tca> I stumbled through it the best I could <ochosi> Unit193: ah, i'm only a humble contributor, i'm not even officially a member of anything ;) <Unit193> ochosi: Well, you do well anyway! I'm sure you're a member of Xubuntu ;) <charlie-tca> All you guys need to join https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-users so you can vote! <ochosi> thanks <ochosi> charlie-tca: yup, i did that a few days ago <charlie-tca> Oh, then you are a member of something... ;) <ochosi> hah - touchÃ©! <Unit193> I'm on there also, just not in -team <charlie-tca> -team has higher requirements that -user, have to contribute for a while, make the wiki page, then we get to talk about you <ochosi> charlie-tca: hm, theoretically i have all that, but i guess i'd need to be approved as an ubuntu-member by a loco first, right? <Unit193> I understand. That's why for a while I didn't try to add it, I wouldn't think I am now, just making it clear I do want to help <charlie-tca> loco or board or mr_pouit <charlie-tca> oh, and project lead <ochosi> rly? but then i'd only be a xubuntu team member, not a ubuntu member, right? <ochosi> (i was kinda considering that for being able to post to the planet with artwork updates) <charlie-tca> right <charlie-tca> Yeah, to post to planet you have to ubuntu member <charlie-tca> You can do that through a loco, or through the membership boards <ochosi> yeah, i remember looking at the meeting schedules the last few months, but it was never possible for me to attend <charlie-tca> ah, that is an issue still. <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership <Unit193> I'll be wanting to go for that at some point <micahg> charlie-tca: I was unaware that locos can grant membership, I thought that was only through an RMB <Unit193> Same here <charlie-tca> The loco council can grant membership, I think. So can IRC council. <micahg> AFAIK, these are the possible routes to Ubuntu membership: RMB, DMB, IRC council, Kubuntu Council, Edubuntu Council, Mythbuntu something <micahg> ah, loco council... <charlie-tca> Sorry, maybe loco council can not do it yet, but I thought that was changed now <charlie-tca> I know Xubuntu can't give membership <micahg> not listed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil <micahg> charlie-tca: do you want that ability? <charlie-tca> Used to be so easy to remember... membership boards <charlie-tca> micahg: not until Xubuntu has it's own council in place and working <micahg> well, Kubuntu, Edubuntu, and Mythubuntu are all delegates of the DMB WRT membership <charlie-tca> It is too much for one or two to be granting membership <micahg> ah, Ubuntu Desktop is another delegate <charlie-tca> I think it is enough to say "appear at the membership board, we will support you there" <micahg> Unit193: so, you probably want a regional board: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards <charlie-tca> There is a list under Other venues for obtaining Membership on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership <micahg> sure, but unless it's an IRC or forums membership, an RMB seems appropriate in this case <Unit193> micahg: That's probable. Someone told me IRC membership was their guess :P <Unit193> (When the time comes that is) <micahg> Unit193: AIUI, your contributions are mainly testing/bug filing, right? <ochosi> meh, meeting was today... :/ (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA) <charlie-tca> You can go to any of the boards that you want to. You do not have to go to the one for the area you are in. <Unit193> micahg: Here? Yes, but that's not the only team I'm in (I would link wiki/LP, but no need for that) Not much bug filing TBH <micahg> yep, that's true <ochosi> charlie-tca: right, didn't know that <micahg> Unit193: ok, well, I'm happy to help direct you to the right place <charlie-tca> It's easier to make the one that meets when you have time, instead of the area <Unit193> micahg: Thanks! I try not to bother you since you're one of the devs :) (Also, don't think I would be accepted at this time) <micahg> Unit193: I think I've gotten better about telling people when I'm too busy, so feel free to ask <Unit193> Well, we're on the subject, may as well https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unit193 https://launchpad.net/~unit193 <micahg> Unit193: 6 months sustained contribution that benefits the project is the minimum <micahg> Unit193: yeah, sounds like either IRC or RMB would be a good fit once you have 6 months + testimonials <Unit193> micahg: Aye, but you have to be able to sell yourself well. I have been in here and other channels since March <Unit193> charlie-tca: Do we have October on the testing doc? I don't see it there, but it could be the computer acting odd <charlie-tca> Unit193: no, I haven't added it yet. We can add the tests to September for now <Unit193> And we still do need them <charlie-tca> I have many things to try and get done today and tomorrow <Unit193> Ah, sorry. Page didn't fully load so it stopped at Oktober 2nd <charlie-tca> No problem. Better to ask than not to know <Unit193> Anything I can help with? <charlie-tca> We add a full week of the next month to each page <charlie-tca> no, not really <charlie-tca> I just have a ton to do the last couple of weeks of the release cycle <Unit193> Heh, I bet <charlie-tca> I also have accessibility to get ready too, so it adds to the list <charlie-tca> well, I got to go eat tonight. <charlie-tca> bbl #xubuntu-devel 2011-10-04 <GridCube> good night <GridCube> sooo, next meeting is the 23? <GridCube> D: <Unit193> Emm. <Unit193> Next meeting is October 23, 22:00 UTC to elect project lead <GridCube> its not been updated on the channel topic <Unit193> charlie-tca or micahg: Topic? <Unit193> Just noticed that too <GridCube> :) i had a test today so i couldnt come <Unit193> I missed it myself, and I can't vote at the next oen <Unit193> You still want the tests done on your site? <Unit193> If so, link me? <GridCube> :) <GridCube> http://gridcube.netii.net/test/XTCv2.html <GridCube> :D <GridCube> what do you think about it? <Unit193> It's not great if I have a test finish right at 00:00 <GridCube> oh, yes... should i allow people to change the date? <GridCube> i could <Unit193> Well, there may be problems with that, charlie is the person telling you what he needs, no? <GridCube> not really XD <Unit193> (And yes, I have finished past 00:00 before :P ) <GridCube> he said what he wanted back in the day, since then im doing it all by myself XD <GridCube> but i need feedback to know that im doing things right <Unit193> I had a few comments, but that's the only one I remember <GridCube> :D <GridCube> i added a way to remove duplicated entries from the admin area <GridCube> :P because there is an Ã¼bber admin area <Unit193> I've had to go and change mine before, will I be able to change my own <Unit193> ? <GridCube> no :( <GridCube> but you can ask an admin to do it, or add a comment stating why the previous is wrong and the admin will delete it <Unit193> Hmmm.... So I'll have to restrict my idiotness <GridCube> giving people the power to delete entries is dangerous <Unit193> I agree, that's why I was asking about my own, but that's fine to ignore <GridCube> i could make a "password" field so people will be able to delete entries if they added a password for themselfs <Unit193> Would that expire after 3 days? <GridCube> i don't think i know how to do that, if i do that i would be permanent <Unit193> Alright... Might be best to talk to madnick maybe? <GridCube> maybe <Unit193> I think those were my comments :P * ChanServ changed the topic of #xubuntu-devel to: Xubuntu Development | Oneiric Ocelot Beta2 released | #xubuntu for support | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu | Xubuntu Community meeting 2011-10-23 at 22:00 UTC - Election for Project Lead | Oneiric Ocelot images at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ <Unit193> Thank you majic fairy <Unit193> s/j/g/ <charlie-tca> You are welcome <GridCube> good night charlie-tca :) <charlie-tca> Hello, GridCube <GridCube> :) how are you? <charlie-tca> Doing fine, sir. And how are you? <charlie-tca> Topic change the day of the meeting? That's asking a lot ;) <Unit193> Well, I'll wait a week or two next time ;) <GridCube> :P <GridCube> im fine, doing midterm tests this week <GridCube> :P <GridCube> today it was Automation of Information Centers, and in two days is Information Resources on Global Networks :D, gods i love my classes names <charlie-tca> They sound fun <charlie-tca> Unit193: Thanks for reminding me to change the date <Unit193> charlie-tca: Your welcome, but it was also GridCube <charlie-tca> I really want as much response as we can get for nominations and elections <charlie-tca> GridCube: thank you too, then <GridCube> :) your welcome <GridCube> so i was talking to Unit193 about my interface :P <GridCube> and he proposed that users should be able to delete their own entries <Unit193> Might be handy, but the day is more to look at <GridCube> so i was wondering on ways to allow poeple to delete entries by adding an extra box where they can add a "password" so if they feel the need to delete they can do it by entering said password that no one else should be able to know <charlie-tca> So, you are thinking each person that enters data would delete/change their own entries only? <GridCube> yes <GridCube> given that they fill the password fiel <GridCube> d <charlie-tca> Considering that we started with something anyone could do anything to, including changing the form itself, why not? <GridCube> dunno :) i think its a pretty good idea <charlie-tca> As long as they can not change someone elses data, I think that would be a good thing to have <GridCube> :) if you don't know other peoples password then you wouldnt be able to alter anyones else data <GridCube> I can make it happen :P but not this week, studying and all <Unit193> Or you could do a random password to be more strong <GridCube> Unit193, i could, but people would have to remember it <GridCube> so it would make much sense <charlie-tca> GridCube: Sounds good to me <GridCube> :) <charlie-tca> Make it happen when you can <GridCube> :D <GridCube> awesome <Unit193> Make it so <GridCube> XD <GridCube> thank you for giving me this chance charlie-tca :) <charlie-tca> You are most welcome <Unit193> I couldn't help that. You're doing great <GridCube> this is the very first time i work doing something lit this :D <charlie-tca> Xubuntu succeeds if people succeed <GridCube> :) <GridCube> thank you, i hope it will be useful <charlie-tca> I appreciate your efforts <GridCube> :) I appreciate your appreciation <GridCube> :P <charlie-tca> Thanks. <GridCube> well food and sleep is ahead :) <charlie-tca> We all keep trying... :) <charlie-tca> Good night, then. I am also gone very soon. <GridCube> :) see you when we see again :) <Unit193> Reminds me. I should always remember to check NS for EMailMemos before I send one <charlie-tca> I never remember how to check for memos, so I have to hope I don't have any <Unit193> MemoServ gives you a notice until you read it <charlie-tca> I see. <charlie-tca> Well, got to go get some sleep now. Good night. <madnick> I was thinking, all GPL'd software could technically go into Ubuntu right? It's just a question if they want it in? <knome> http://shimmerproject.org/x1110/ <knome> if anybody want to use the countdown banners, even if we didn't get them to the ubuntu servers... <knome> (the official ubuntu countdown banners aren't yet up either)
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