#ubuntu-community-team 2010-12-01 <jcastro> booya <jcastro> do you hear that? <jcastro> that's the sound of a DYING WORK ITEM <jono> jcastro, jcastro :) <jono> oops <Pici> Don't say it three times! <jono> jcastro! <jono> lol <jcastro> jono: have you booted into your natty/unity key today? <jono> jcastro, I did earlier <jono> compiz kept crashing for me <duanedesign> jcastro: how did it work for you? it == unity <duanedesign> it was launching both gnome-panel and unity for me. I edited gconf - /desktop/gnome/session/required_components_list and removed panel and it works well now. <duanedesign> i went ahead and put it all back after i was done playing around. I figured i would let the devs fix it. Dont want my hacks causing trouble down the road. :) <jcastro> duanedesign: update to the lastest <jcastro> to like, within the last 2 hours <jcastro> it doesn't launch the other crap now behind the unity stuff <jcastro> duanedesign: make sure your mirror isn't behind <jcastro> jono: same advice <jcastro> jono: they redid the autohide to slide into the left side of the screen, quite cool <jono> Technoviking, ping? <jono> jcastro, oh cool will update unity <jono> jcastro, I thought it always slid into the left? <jcastro> no <jono> it worked for me yesterday <jcastro> for 2 weeks it's been a placeholder animation that rolled up into the logo <jono> odd it worked for me yesterday <jono> strange <jcastro> also, the BFB no launches /usr/share/applications <jcastro> oh maybe it landed earlier than when I tried it? <jcastro> also, ask me what BFB means in unity! <jcastro> Big Freaking Button, aka, the logo <duanedesign> jcastro: thank you sir <jono> jcastro, the BFB launches what? <jcastro> jono: nautilus in /usr/share/applications <jcastro> it's a poor man's app launcher <jcastro> it did the same thing early in 10.10 alphas <jcastro> jono: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5720/unitya1.png <jcastro> ah bummer, my first compiz crash <jono> jcastro, ahhh cool <jono> useful for now until the app lens lands <jcastro> indeed <dpm> good morning all <czajkowski> aloha * jussi grunts in the direction of the channel <kim0> Morning folks <dpm> heya kim0 <kim0> dpm: heya :) <kim0> dholbach: o/ <dholbach> good morning! <dholbach> hey kim0 <kim0> howdy <dholbach> kim0, how cold/warm is it in Cairo now? :) <kim0> dholbach: it's ~ 20 Celsius <dholbach> kim0, NICE <kim0> yeah .. it's perfect weather <kim0> loving it <dholbach> -10Â°C, feels like -20,2Â°C here <dholbach> the canal is frozen now <kim0> ew <kim0> :) <dholbach> I said to to the Berliners already: tomorrow I could iceskate to work :-P <kim0> well at least that's good :) <dpm> hey dholbach, don't break a leg! <dholbach> I'll try not to :) <dholbach> hey dpm :) <duanedesign> good morning <jussi> huomenta <duanedesign> hey there jussi <jussi> dholbach: around? <dholbach> jussi, yes, but heading out for a few mins - just let me know how I can help and I'll get back to you * popey tickles dholbach whilst he's out <dholbach> I'm back again :) <czajkowski> Peeka booo * popey jumps out of his skin <czajkowski> popey: how's the kids? enjoying the snow ? <popey> they haven't been out in it <popey> well, sam might have yesterday at his nannys (my mum) but I think they stayed indoors and made cakes <popey> he loves cooking <popey> (just like his dad <czajkowski> aww nice <czajkowski> has therealpopey started the new positon ? <popey> not yet, but she's going in for some induction or something <czajkowski> good stuff <czajkowski> she all excited or nervous <popey> very excidted <popey> -typos <popey> this means that she'll be making packed lunches for her so I'll probably get them <czajkowski> :) <popey> although thinking about it, I'll probably end up making them <czajkowski> that's really good news! <popey> (she doesn't make very good (i.e. full) sandwiches - I make awesome ones) <popey> yeah, saves a bit of money on lunch too <czajkowski> nods <czajkowski> I got a chicken tika slice at station this morning for lunch 1.50 soo damn tasty <czajkowski> gave up wating for lunch was starving <czajkowski> really need to eat a breakie in the morning <popey> :) <popey> \o/ marmite on toast <popey> breakfast of kings <czajkowski> oddball <czajkowski> marmite is evil <daker> kim0, what should i put on the menu "Screencasts" or "Tutorials" ? <AlanBell> marmite > maple syrup on bacon <dholbach> I can't find the quote right now, but there was some US senator who once said "if immigration was about culinary aspects, I'd probably let everybody in but not the English" :-P <kim0> daker: I think Screencasts .. coz that's what they are <daker> kim0, ok <popey> \o/ excellent <duanedesign> <.< >.> <daker> kim0, want pictures ? http://imgur.com/OfD0P.png <daker> kim0, http://imgur.com/Np2Od.png <kim0> :) <kim0> daker: hmm looks yummy :) <kim0> daker: Awesome work man <kim0> daker: that's pure django right <daker> pure pure <dholbach> duanedesign, you rock! <czajkowski> dholbach: whenn is your next video cast? <dholbach> next week <czajkowski> cool <nhandler> Gah, looks like we'll probably have another flop and have to cancel that LoCo Day. Too bad :( <duanedesign> dholbach: uh oh, what did i do? :) <czajkowski> nhandler: sorry dude <dholbach> duanedesign, you offered to do a screencast about signing the CoC <dholbach> and more generally: you rock :) <czajkowski> duanedesign: oh nice idea <duanedesign> yeah. Someone with an accesebility issue had a real tough time yesterday signing the CoC <duanedesign> i think the screencst would help with some of those issues. <czajkowski> duanedesign: when you get that done can you give me a shout please <duanedesign> czajkowski: absolutely <czajkowski> duanedesign: thank you <dholbach> kim0, ubuntucloud has 1313 tweets? <dholbach> holy cow <dinda> /join #quickly * dinda hates it when I make public mistakes, argh * dholbach hugs dinda * czajkowski hugs dinda <czajkowski> dinda: if that';s the worst mistake you make, trust me you're fine! <czajkowski> could be a lot worse! <dinda> thanks czajkowski - I haven't had my first sip of coffee yet, that's my excuse <dinda> there should be a rule against IRC-ing b4 proper caffeine <JanC> it's worse if you do that with commands that include passwords ;) <Pici> Hrm. Looks like the rss link on planet.ubuntu.com is typoed. Should I file a bug in ubuntu-website, or is there a better place to mention it? <dinda> Pici: file a bug so it can be tracked easily <duanedesign> popey: ping <popey> duanedesign: pong <duanedesign> good day popey. I was working on upgrading the screencast site and i had a couple questions i wanted to see if you cpou;d help with? <jussi> you know something funny :D "NÃ¤tti" in Finnish means "pretty" ... so you could almost say that natty should be pretty :) <kim0> dholbach: how do I see that <dholbach> kim0, twitter.com/ubuntucloud <kim0> dholbach: is 1313 good or bad :) <kim0> bad omen squared :) <dholbach> much, not good or bad :) <kim0> hehe, that account existed before me btw <dholbach> still you're tweeting like a madman :) <paultag> jussi, hiyya :) <jussi> o/ <paultag> jussi, you're looking quite Natti today <jussi> lol <jono> hey all <dholbach> hey jono <jono> hey dholbach <kim0> howdy o/ <jcastro> 10 minutes? <dholbach> jcastro, yep, and I think we should all boycott skype this time (hello Jono!) :-P <kim0> but feeling dirty is good sometimes <dholbach> what is this channel coming down to...? <kim0> hehe <dholbach> dpm, jono, kim0, jcastro: ready? :) <jcastro> I am ready! <kim0> ready <jcastro> I am always ready! <dpm> \o/ <jono> one sec, seeing if I can make mumble work better <jono> lol, won't even run now and crashes mutter <jono> sorry dholbach <jono> skype it is <jcastro> heh <jono> kim0, jcastro, dholbach, dpm let's roll <jcastro> can you guys hear me? <jcastro> one sec <dholbach> jcastro, muted your mic? <jcastro> one sec <czajkowski> robbiew is a brilliant chair of meetings, like his idea of a lightning round. people give what seems to be a one liner on what they've done <dholbach> alright my friends - I'm calling it a day <dholbach> have a great rest of your day <dholbach> and I'll walk back home through the biting cold - see you! <czajkowski> dholbach: toodles <paultag> So, I'm thinking of doing a new blog series where I debunk Ubuntu myths <paultag> anyone have some popular misconceptions? <dholbach> "Is it true that Jono and Jorge have been arguing about which Metallica album has been the best for 3 hours?" <czajkowski> you';re not grumpy at all <czajkowski> :p <dholbach> ... oh wait <paultag> dholbach, :) <dholbach> see you :) <paultag> dholbach, Tscuss :) * dholbach hugs you all <jono> paultag, sounds like a great series :) <paultag> jono, I stopped going to reddit because they had this twisted view of what was going on. I'll let you know if any of the posts turn out worthwhile :) <paultag> I'm just asking fluxboxers why they hate Ubuntu, I'll get a few pages of dirt to go through <jono> thanks paultag <jono> a few myths could include: <jono> * Ubuntu has ditched GNOME <jono> * You have to be a programmer to participate in Ubuntu <paultag> jono, great, thanks :) <jono> * The Ubuntu/Debian relationship is tense <paultag> jono, I have Ubuntu / Canonical in there right now as well ( @ubuntu == @canonical ) <paultag> jono, as well as "n00buntu" <jono> cool <paultag> jono, if you have anything you'd like me to include ( already added the 3 above ), let me know <jono> thanks, pal! :) <jono> paultag, and keep up the great work, you are rocking :-) <paultag> jono, cheers, thanks :) <czajkowski> paultag: you shown jono locolint? <JanC> paultag: popular myth: "Ubuntu is only for noobs and not for serious linux users" ;) <paultag> czajkowski, nope. It's still a bit buggy :) <paultag> JanC, Yes! :) <jono> JanC, oooh good one <jcastro> paultag: I love myths! <paultag> jcastro, I could so photoshop you as adam and jono as jamie <jcastro> hah <czajkowski> paultag: aww you should <czajkowski> :) <jono> paultag, haha <jono> would be awesome <jono> and disturbing <jcastro> I heard someone call Unity "lock in" the other day because other distros don't have it <jono> which is always the best <jono> man, this wikileaks shit is bonkers <paultag> jcastro, rock on, good to review f/oss every once in a while <nisshh> oh man, the weather here is at that screwed up point right before summer, where the days are 35C or more and the nights a darn cold :| <nisshh> are* <JanC> jcastro: I don't know about public Unity releases, but in some cases we could do better with making stuff available to other distros though (I'm thinking about the murrine window decoration engine for example, which wasn't properly released for a long time, and Ubuntu used an VCS checkout) <jcastro> all the ayatana bits come out as tarballs <nisshh> jono, you dont strike me as someone who would read wikileaks :) <jcastro> the murrine thing, poke Cimi I guess to do it right? <JanC> jcastro: there was a release not long ago, but it was a long time before that, and lots of peopel complained about the "secret changes" needed to use themes designed on/for ubuntu in other distros <jcastro> hmm <nisshh> paultag, oh, i have one "you need to know how to use the terminal in order to use Ubuntu" <daker> kim0, http://i.imgur.com/UgxxL.png <paultag> nisshh, mmmhum! cheers! <jono> nisshh, I don't read wikileaks, just facinated by the story <jono> and now interpol have an arrest warrent out for assange <nisshh> jono, ah, ok <duanedesign> jono: oh yeah i just heard that <nisshh> paultag, although that one is more of a generic linux myth i guess :) <paultag> nisshh, :) <JanC> it's still a good one to debunk <duanedesign> yeah i am suprised at how many people I hear say that. 'Oh Linux has a GUI now?' <Technoviking> jono: belated pong <jono> Technoviking, ahhh I am good, unping <jono> :) <jono> jcastro, try unity.ubuntu.com now <jono> you should have full access <Technoviking> sorry was in Oracle hell the last week days <Technoviking> s/week/few <jcastro> jono: ALRIGHT! <jcastro> I am in! <vish> JanC: there are no secret changes for themes, if someone knows how to write a theme they can just check out the xml and figure it out.. only when they dont know they spread such rumours just because the theme dint work in their application ;) <vish> JanC: if they are starting to learn to write themes, then murrine is bad :) <JanC> vish: no, the themes didn't work with the last reelased version of murrine <JanC> only with the version packaged in Ubuntu or when you compiled it yourself from git <JanC> there was a release of murrine in late September though <vish> JanC: yea, changes were made and the new options are mentioned in the light-themes.. where murrine is bad is, its poorly documented.. but thats the way it has always been, :) <vish> Cimi was lazy even before he worked for Canonical ;p <JanC> so it's not an issue anymore <JanC> lol <JanC> well, he should release at least once every 6 months <jono> jcastro, :) <vish> JanC: if someone is having trouble with murrine , ask them to have a look at : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation/Murrine â¦ its not complete, but folks are trying to fill it there.. <jcastro> jono: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/673257 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 673257 in unity (Ubuntu) "Please consider renaming the Unity desktop to avoid naming conflict with Unity Linux (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Low,Triaged] <jcastro> jono: I found a spot on the about page to put that link <jcastro> what do you recommend as text? <jcastro> something like "this is about unity the desktop, for information about Unity Linux go here" <jcastro> but something that sounds better <vish> i wonder who came up with the name 'Unity' ;) <vish> that bug is odd!! bug was filed on 2010-11-10 but the first comment is on 2010-11-09 !!! <Pici> Its one of the connecting modules on the ISS. <vish> Pici: nah, was wondering who named ours as 'Unity' <jcastro> cjohnston: thanks for all the unity bug reports, they were very useful <jcastro> I've now fixed them all except one <jcastro> sense: ok so they started filing bitesize unity bugs <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bugs?field.tag=bitesize <sense> jcastro: Good! <jcastro> if you want to do one as an example that would be <3 <sense> jcastro: I would love to, but until next week I am not ihodge@example.net. <jcastro> no rush <sense> ok :) <jcastro> I suspect this list won't be too awesome for another week <sense> yeah, it needs to grow a bit <sense> I'll keep an eye on it. <sense> jcastro: We weren't accepting paper cuts for Unity, right? <sense> Or are we? <jcastro> I am not sure, I assume so? <sense> I was wondering how much of this can be added to the One Hundred Paper Cuts project. <jcastro> well, papercuts are bitesize <sense> Unity wasn't our main focus, but we don't have a policy of rejecting Unity-related cuts. <jcastro> so yeah, why not? <sense> Might be a nice way to inflate our paper cut statistics! :P <sense> I'll see how much of those bugs will qualify as a paper cut. <sense> jcastro: When will quicklists come back to Unity? <sense> I think I might give adding quicklists to Transmission a try. Would be a nice showcase. <jcastro> sense: do an update. :) <jcastro> the tomboy ones are working for me <sense> Gwibber is not. <jcastro> sense: you don't need to add them to transmission, the menu from the appindicator just becomes the quicklist <sense> Tomboy is working. <sense> jcastro: Then I can take a look at the menu to see if it is looking fine, and maybe extend it a bit. <sense> Gotiens: http://wiki.ubuntu-nl.org/community/Meetings/Meeting20101210 Ik heb vier punten toegevoegd aan de agenda. <sense> whoops <sense> nvm <czajkowski> jono: ready when you are <jono> czajkowski, wrapping a call <czajkowski> lovely jubbly <czajkowski> just buzz when ready my dear <jono> will do :) <JFo> bzzzzzzzzz <JFo> oh sorry <JFo> he wasn't ready <JFo> :) <czajkowski> JFo: ello, you all better? <JFo> yes and no <JFo> it seems I am getting a cold now <JFo> but much much better than I was <czajkowski> I read that as getting old <czajkowski> but getting a cold is far worse <czajkowski> :) <JFo> and the cold is due to my heat being broken <JFo> hah <JFo> that too <JFo> :) <czajkowski> whats up with the heating... <czajkowski> I could hug Charlie from IS, he makes things sooo flipping simple! <JFo> fan motor decided it didn't need those bearings after all <JFo> very old system <JFo> so the part has to be ordered <JFo> and once it gets here I'll be all set <JFo> this house is well insulated <jcastro> fan for what? <JFo> it was freezing in here yesterday and it was steaming outside <JFo> jcastro, fan for my heater <jcastro> ouch <JFo> yeah <JFo> I was worried at the sound it was making <JFo> it is a gas system after all <jcastro> ah <jcastro> . o O (Glad I rent ) <JFo> so do I :-D <JFo> oh landlord! <JFo> but I have put that on my list of items to consider when considering the purchase of this house <maco> well now itll be fixed *before* you buy :D <JFo> the fan will, but the old system will still be there :-/ <JFo> so that would be about $2K to replace if I buy <jcastro> I am getting antsy and want a house <JFo> on an unrelated note... have I mentioned lately how much I looooove cron? <jcastro> so I can do cool projects <JFo> heh <JFo> you will et over that jcastro :) <JFo> get* <JFo> I remember when I used to want to do cool projects on my house <jcastro> heh <JFo> :) <JFo> j/k <JFo> I miss owning my home <JFo> almost said "owning my hope" made me lol <jcastro> heh <jcastro> Like for example, I got a boxee, and like, this place has no ethernet wiring <jcastro> if I had my own place I could have rocking drops in every room, etc. <JFo> yeah, I really was looking forward to rewiring my house for network <JFo> my friend has the best setup <JFo> he bought a huge roll of this bundled wire <JFo> has 4 ethernet 2 phone and 2 fiber <JFo> in a big wire <jcastro> ah, they call that something <JFo> he did drops to all his rooms, even the bathrooms <jcastro> ah dude <jcastro> siamese cable <jcastro> I was looking at that <JFo> oh, tv coax was the other <jcastro> http://www.broadbandutopia.com/lede2x2xteco.html <jcastro> yep <jcastro> 4 drops, but that's one honking cable <JFo> yea, his was huge <vish> yay fun times in -testing :D <JFo> luckily he put the stuff in while they were building his house <jcastro> hey paultag <jcastro> myth #3: Ohio is a great place to live <paultag> yo j <paultag> erm, jcastro <paultag> jcastro, OSU Michigan what? <jcastro> dude I went to MSU, we won this weekend <jcastro> normally I cheer for OSU during that game, but I needed UM to show up if we had any chance at a Rose Bowl <paultag> ha! <jcastro> and as always U-M didn't fail to deliver failure. <paultag> jcastro, as usual, in the "great" "state" of Michigan <paultag> jcastro, dude, zach@debian commented on my blog <paultag> jcastro, that was pretty awesome <paultag> jcastro, I did the first post in the myths series ( and just wrote up #2 ) -- http://twitter.com/#!/paultag/status/10113531747762176 <jcastro> I saw <jcastro> good job <paultag> I feel like it came off a bit anti-canonical <paultag> which I did not intend <pleia2> paultag: fwiw, it didn't sound anti-canonical to me <paultag> pleia2, thanks :) <paultag> pleia2, How are you? <pleia2> I have a cold :( <paultag> shucks, bbl. work time <paultag> pleia2, oh no :( <pleia2> later <paultag> pleia2, get better! <pleia2> thanks :) <paultag> pleia2, be back in 3 hours or so #ubuntu-community-team 2010-12-02 <czajkowski> Evil snow <cjohnston> It's finally in the 40's at night here for a couple days! <dholbach> good morning! <kim0> Morning o/ <dholbach> hey kim0 <kim0> hey there <dholbach> greetings from snowy winterland <kim0> people are begging winter to come here <kim0> someone was just tweeting "If winter doesn't come in a week .. I'll make him pay for my expensive winter clothes" :) <dholbach> 10cm of snow, -8Â°C <kim0> lovely <popey> \o/ snow http://popey.com/webcam/ <kim0> OMG lovely <dholbach> same here :) * kim0 looks at the bright shining Sun .. sigh :) <dpm> morning all <kim0> dpm: morning man :) <dpm> hey kim0 :) <dholbach> hola dpm <dpm> morgen dholbach <duanedesign> morning all <dholbach> hi duanedesign, daker, randa <randa> hi all <daker> hello dholbach randa duanedesign ã <randa> hey :) good morning daker <czajkowski> A;pja <czajkowski> aloha * jussi sighs tiredly. cant wait for the week to be over <kim0> jussi: it can't be that bad :) <jussi> kim0: nah, but I am tired. <dpm> restarting, brb <dholbach> nigelb, how's the loco/dev script coming along? <dholbach> dpm, so the text for "Introduction to Ubuntu Development" is going to be part of the new packaging guide anyway, so I guess it makes sense to just translate it as part of that project - I don't know if there's plans to make ubuntu.com translatable at all, so I guess ubuntu.com/developer (which will have that text) will just be plain English <dholbach> dpm, for the presentations (.odp I guess) there's probably no clever way to translate them, right? <dholbach> we could make them .pdf, somehow I guess <dholbach> hmhmhm <dpm> dholbach, I don't know of any easy way to translate them, other than just modifying the docs. But perhaps some people would like to do that. I think we'll have to figure out where to host the translated version if people want to do that <dpm> (.odp, I meant) <dholbach> dpm, we could set up a branch for that or just use a wiki page and people would subscribe to changes there <dholbach> dpm, but the rest sounded sane to you? <dholbach> I mean â¦ relatively speaking :-P <dpm> dholbach, I'm not expecting anything sane from you :-P Anyway could you repeat which things are you considering for translation. I just wnt to make sure I get it right: a) "Introduction to Ubuntu Development" b) presentations <dpm> ok, re-reading I can ignore a), as it's going to be part of the packaging guide <dpm> and written in sphinx <dholbach> "Introduction to Ubuntu Development" is content that will live on ubuntu.com/developer, in the packaging guide and in a different form in presentations <dpm> ok, gotcha <dholbach> I hope it's going to be sphinx - the discussion has not started yet :) <dholbach> thanks dpm <dholbach> another work item done <dpm> dholbach, ok, so yeah, just to confirm what you just said a) in ubuntu.com/developer the text will be English-only (u.c is Drupal, can be multilingual, but there are no immediate plans for a multilingual u.c) b) Yeah, I also think it makes sense to translate "Introduction to..." as part of the packaging guide and take advantage of the translated output from the doc format the guide ends up using c) I don't know any way of producing translated o <dpm> dp output, so PDF would be an option, although then you cannot use Impress for the presentations. You could try beamer, but you'd need to use Latex as a doc format (and I'm sure you'd not be looking forward to that) - http://www.uncg.edu/cmp/reu/presentations/Charles%20Batts%20-%20Beamer%20Tutorial.pdf (the output looks good, though) <dholbach> dpm, as sphinx does something with ReStâLatexâPDF there might be a way to do that - I'll have a look at it closer to the time <dholbach> if it's .odp in the end, I assume there's not going to be that much text, so it won't be wasted days of work <dpm> ah, nice <dpm> sounds good <jcastro> man this is weird <jcastro> someone called me a celebrity on #omg!ubuntu! <nigelb> that isn't really weird :p <jcastro> I've never been as popular as popey before <nigelb> haha <dholbach> there's nobody more popular than Elvis <Pici> The Beatles <nigelb> dholbach: heh, +1 <nigelb> paultag: I like your myth busting series <popey> haha jcastro <nhandler> dholbach: re:packaging training, sorry for not replying. I've just been a bit busy lately. I'll try to reply today. In the future, feel free to give me a poke on IRC if I don't reply to something like that ;) <nigelb> nhandler: Odd, we were just talking about that ;) <dholbach> it'd be great to get this back on track again <nigelb> I like what duane's doing on the forums <dholbach> I feel we've had a bunch of great ideas <nigelb> I wonder if we can get askubuntu onto this... <dholbach> now we just need to agree on stuff, assign months and get going <nhandler> nigelb: The forums are ok, but the audience they attract for the most part, tends not to do much with the info (they haven't learned that it is a myth that packaging applications is all that devs do and they aren't interested in the other work) <nhandler> dholbach: I still think the hard part is finding people to lead the sessions. It feels like we always go back to the same small group of people <dholbach> nhandler, but I think it's a great source of questions if we just get a bunch of developers to hang out in the channel and take questions <dholbach> that's a relatively easy way to get a session going, helpful content out there and people happy :) <nhandler> dholbach: Q&A sessions are nice (maybe once a month). One issue with those is that they are only useful if you get a nice crowd of people to show up and ask questions (which means certain convenient times for people in Asia/US aren't that great). Maybe Q&A once a month or so? <dholbach> nhandler, if we don't get many questions we could fall back to answering questions from the forums for example <duanedesign> nigelb: while collecting suggestions from daniels blog and adding them to the wiki I came across 'A system of online workshops you could follow in your own time' <dholbach> nhandler, it'd be great to have sessions weekly, so if we don't get anybody to do a session at all, I'd personally prefer to have 4 Q&A sessions in that month :) <dholbach> we should go through the list of all ~ubuntu-dev people and reach out to debian folks too <nigelb> duanedesign: I'll do that <nigelb> I seriously loved the ustream session <nhandler> dholbach: How many useful questions are on the forum? Last I checked, I saw a lot of posts asking why my package doesn't work (when they didn't edit any dh-make files). And like I said, Q&A is nice if you can get it at the right time. i.e. me doing a Q&A would end up as me talking to myself for an hour ;) <nhandler> As for ~ubuntu-dev, that is what I've tried doing before. Maybe we should keep better data about who we contact and stuff like that. I had started a doc on google docs a while ago for that, but I never got it up-to-date <dholbach> I totally agree that we should reach out more and try to have as many people there as possible <dholbach> but the questions you mentioned above should at least be easy to asnwer ;-) <dholbach> nhandler, sounds like a good idea <nhandler> dholbach: Here was what I started. https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AiFFoXLMT-gudEE2WDUwRmZLeE9rQy1TM0J2UlN5THc&hl=en&authkey=CLTriBg <duanedesign> nhandler: maybe if more people knew the forums were a place you could get good reliable information on packaging it would attract more 'useful' questions <nhandler> At the time, I was simply trying to go through Packaging/Training/Logs to get old sessions <nhandler> duanedesign: The issue is, not enough developers go there, so I'm not sure how much "reliable information" you actually will get <dholbach> duanedesign, totally agreed - I could imagine that loads of people from the Ubuntu development facebook group would also rather use forums than anything else <doctormo> dholbach: I wanted to confirm the images are good. <jcastro> did someone say askubuntu for Q+A? <jcastro> I say hell yeah! <doctormo> jcastro: Other people say: "Well since it's the way we've been told to do it" ;-) <dholbach> doctormo, I like them - I'm just wondering if the branching story would be better if we changed it vertically somehow? I realise that what I did in ASCII art wasn't very clear :-D <dholbach> doctormo, I can send you something small tomorrow my morning that might make it a bit clearer - illustrating (just as an example) which code goes from where to where <doctormo> What would you like to change vertically? <dholbach> doctormo, but generally: good work - it would have taken me days to get there :) <dholbach> doctormo, the upstream/ubuntu branch etc. story <doctormo> Since the diagram depends heavily on what you want to illustrate, you decide what details are to be pronounced. <dholbach> like rotate it 90Â° <dholbach> my idea was to show upstream mainline, indicate that we branched off when 1.0 was released, put that into Ubuntu, added a bugfix which went back upstream, then we got 1.1 into Ubuntu <dholbach> but I didn't make that very clear in the 70x3 ASCII diagram :-P <doctormo> hmm, why does the bugfix wait for 1.1? I thought bug fixes flowed downstream. <nigelb> jcastro: I wanted to ask a question to see what topics people watnt to be taken by packaging training <dholbach> doctormo, we added it in Ubuntu before 1.1 was released, then it flowed back upstream <dholbach> that was the idea <dholbach> just to show a bit of "back and forth of ideas" <jcastro> hi dpm <jcastro> http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/ <jcastro> at the bottom here I have "translations" <jcastro> which was a template jono put there <jcastro> but I fear I am pointing to the wrong pages <jono> hey all <jcastro> what should I link to? <dholbach> hi jono <jcastro> hi jono <nigelb> hai jono <dpm> jcastro, they look fine from a quick glance, but do you mind if I look at it in more detail and I come back to you in ~1h? I'm preparing the translations videocast starting in ~8 min now <jcastro> dpm: yep, no rush <dholbach> DPM! <dpm> cool <dholbach> wooohoooooooooooo! <jcastro> dpm: I just ran into this yesterday so it's no biggie <dpm> ok <dpm> Anyway, folks, do join me and bring the popcorn: <dpm> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ubuntu-translations-with-david-planella <dholbach> yoooooohooooooooo <dpm> :-) <jcastro> I am in! <vish> yay! nhandler is back â¦ * vish reminds nhandler about the mail server.. ;) <jono> hey dholbach, jcastro, nigelb <paultag> nigelb, thanks, mang <paultag> hey jono, can I get a re-tweet? * nigelb hugs paultag <paultag> jono, http://twitter.com/#!/paultag/status/10319908143370240 <paultag> nigelb, How are you today? <nigelb> paultag: Resting. Eating. Its hot here and humidity is matching. <paultag> nigelb, mmmhum <jcastro> paultag: high 5 tumblr team <jcastro> I like how yours looks <paultag> jcastro, ^5 dude <paultag> jcastro, thanks, man <nigelb> jcastro: he hacked it like crazy <nigelb> jcastro: I think he now writes blog post in latex <paultag> nigelb, I love tumblr <jcastro> man, ustream is SO much better with this new flash <jcastro> it's actually not so bad anymore <dholbach> ok my friends, I call it a day - I'll have to see if I find some defrosting spray, so I can de-ice my bicycle lock so I won't have to walk through the snow tomorrow and get my lights fixed <dholbach> have a great rest of your day <dholbach> see you tomorrow! * dholbach hugs you all <cjohnston> o/ <jcastro> bye! <dholbach> thanks doctormo again - I'll send something to you tomorrow <doctormo> dholbach: please wait <paultag> jcastro, I've just spammed your PM <dholbach> doctormo, how long? I need to head out because the shop will close soon <dholbach> doctormo, can you mail something over and I'll respond later this evening? <doctormo> 5 seconds <doctormo> More like this: http://imagebin.ca/view/knylDSj.html * doctormo hits imagebin's slow upload with a wet fish <dholbach> doctormo, great <dholbach> doctormo, maybe we could add something saying that 1.1 goes into Ubuntu again? like another arrow from once 1.1 is released? <dholbach> a small one? :) <doctormo> yes ok, I'll mail you it <doctormo> talk tomorrow, :-) <dholbach> doctormo, excellent work! * dholbach hugs doctormo <dholbach> rock on everybody - see you tomorrow :) <doctormo> All done, these kinds of images are fairly easy <doctormo> Considering that I watched my artist friend vectorize this http://doctormo.deviantart.com/#/d33wox9 and it took 4 hours. <doctormo> I'm going to have to pay him extra. <nigelb> doctormo: Wow, that's beautiful! <doctormo> nigelb: It is good work :-) it'll be great when it's finally all together into the poster. <nigelb> oh, wow http://scayris.deviantart.com/#/d2b5xvm <nigelb> Dr. House <3 <doctormo> nigelb: Er no, that's Hugh "hit by a" Lorrie, the actor who plays the prince regent in Black Adder the Third, the comic genious who teamed up with Stephen Fry in their show "a bit of fry a Lorrie". I have never seen something called house ;-) <nigelb> doctormo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_House <nigelb> doctormo: That's a TV series, of couse played by High Lorrie ;) * doctormo mutters something about American culture as poisons. <nigelb> lol <nigelb> I remember him best from Stuart Little <doctormo> Remember Jeeves and Wooster? <nigelb> Nope, I watch more "American TV" than "British TV" <popey> s/lorrie/laurie <popey> nigelb: :( <popey> which is why American English is so pervasive <doctormo> popey: It's why not-english-at-all is so pervasive, even Ubuntu made by a UK company is set to not-English USA by default. :-/ <nigelb> popey: heh <popey> yeah, i see pages on the wiki getting "corrected" from en_GB to en_US spelling :( <doctormo> This is why I was so sad to see many of my thai friends so confused when they watched Wallace and Grommet. They just couldn't get the fact that there was an English culture that wasn't American. <popey> hah <popey> and :( <nigelb> Also, British English means I have to strain to make out words <popey> pfft <popey> thats just lack of familiarity <nigelb> heh, I *knew* he'd do that <nigelb> Yeah, I should listen to UUPC more often <doctormo> nigelb: Unlike American English which is practically a fully clarified interpretation *roll eyes* <popey> aaanyway :) <doctormo> popey: How are you, not heard from you in a while. <popey> not bad, head down at work <popey> should come up for air soon :) <doctormo> Hope that grinding stone isn't taking off too much flesh. <popey> heh <doctormo> Are you going to the protests? <nigelb> Protest for snow? <popey> the student protests? <doctormo> popey: Sure, student protests now, half the country sometimes next week. Or so the news would have you believe. * kim0 calls it a day <kim0> ciao fellows <popey> o/ kim0 <doctormo> ta-ra <kim0> ta-ra :) <nigelb> later kim0 <doctormo> popey: From what I could tell, this seemed to be the news back there: "Oh no snow!!, Oh no students! Oh no wikileaks" <nigelb> lol <dpm> just finished the first ever Ubuntu translations videocast, lots of questions and participation, it was fun! <nigelb> gosh, missed it <nigelb> I shall watch video tomorrow <nigelb> dpm: Did you have a dog barking? :p <dpm> nigelb, no, my comedy moment wasn't that exciting, but I had to turn on the light at some point, as it was getting dark and people couldn't see me on the video :) <nigelb> heh <jono> jcastro, call? <jono> dpm, nice work! <jono> dpm, I missed it, was on a UDS call <jono> did you get a recording? <paultag> jono, can I get a retweet on the myths busted #2? -- http://twitter.com/#!/paultag/status/10319908143370240 <paultag> jono, it's RE being a coder to contribute to Ubuntu <popey> paultag: nice idea <paultag> popey, :) <popey> paultag: how about linking QA to the testing team page on the wiki, and same for UBT? <paultag> done popey :) <jcastro> http://www.hudson-labs.org/content/whos-driving-thing <jcastro> ^^^ everything about that article is awesome <popey> same for the others actually :) <paultag> popey, they all have links inline, there are like 30 - 40 :) <paultag> popey, my hrefs don't come up different colors. I'm working on fixing that soon <popey> ah <popey> thats broken :) <paultag> popey, sure is! :) <popey> ^5 <paultag> ^5 <jono> <jono> jcastro, call? <jono> :-) * JFo bluffs jono <jcastro> jono: yep, one sec. <JFo> I raise <jono> JFo, lol <JFo> :) * popey takes his shirt off <popey> oh, wrong game. <JFo> oooh * JFo folds a dolla lengthwise <popey> lol <JFo> :-P <jcastro> jono: all set <jcastro> on the skypes <jono> :) <duanedesign> wow jono that Drupal real time contributions map is pretty awesome <dpm> jono, yeah, here's the recording: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/11209840 <paultag> popey, fixed the css :) * popey hugs paultag <paultag> popey, you got me off my lazy back-half * paultag hugs popey <popey> That's good, I don't like tweeting links to broken pages ;) <paultag> popey, I saw the re-tweet, thanks! :) <popey> np <duanedesign> I had never seen http://www.ubuntustats.com/ <jcastro> duanedesign: wow that's still up? <jcastro> I remember that from years ago <duanedesign> jcastro: how are you liking IRC Cloud? <jcastro> duanedesign: love it, I will likely subscribe <duanedesign> jcastro: good to hear. Seems like a great idea. I signed up for an invite. <sense> good evening <duanedesign> o/ <duanedesign> sense: did you get any snow where you are? <jcastro> <-- caffeine refill <sense> duanedesign: yes <sense> duanedesign: The damn snow is ruining our ice! <sense> It has been freezing for a few days, which was good, but then this snow comes along and ruins it! <duanedesign> sense: we have not gotten our snow yet here. We usually get one to two good snows each winter <sense> we usually just once, but not always a lot * JanC thinks sense wants an "Elfstedentocht" ;) <JanC> the famous "eleven cities skating race" <Technoviking> jcastro: I posted something on the staff forum seeing if anyone could help the compiz forums <jcastro> ta <Pendulum> JanC: was that the race all over the canals in the Netherlands? <JanC> Pendulum: yes, the canals between 11 cities in Friesland (northern province, where sense lives) <Pendulum> :) <JanC> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elfstedentocht âº <JanC> seems like the last one was in 1997 <JanC> so you can imagine they are eager for good ice by now ;) <JanC> I think it didn't freeze for long enough yet anyway, but of course the snow makes the ice unusable <doctormo> jono: Got a second? <jono> doctormo, can't chat now, will be back soon <jono> doctormo, or drop me a mail <jono> back soon <doctormo> Wow that was quick, will email. <doctormo> pleia2: Are you here? <pleia2> doctormo: yep <doctormo> You've been to uds before, your thoughts: http://imagebin.ca/view/0pJwdCZh.html <pleia2> I think it's fairly accurate <doctormo> thanks pleia2, time to get myself to the bunny meetup. <AlanBell> doctormo: "Corperate" <doctormo> I was on TV yesterday, Chronical on channel 5 and 9 at least here in Boston. To do with SteamPunk. <AlanBell> Corporate <pleia2> doctormo: cool :) <doctormo> AlanBell: It's too late, my email is sent and my dyslexia apparent. <AlanBell> Phaises <AlanBell> Planaries <AlanBell> alternativly <AlanBell> s/supported/supposed/ <AlanBell> I have no idea what dialectic consensus is <AlanBell> however, other than that, it totally rocks \o/ <AlanBell> s/Customerisation/customisation/ <czajkowski> aloha <doctormo> AlanBell: No, it's Cutomerisation <doctormo> The rest are spelling mistakes. ;-) <doctormo> dialectic consensus is when you get 5 people in a room who all want to achieve slightly different aims and have different considerations and users in mind. They use the power of discussion to effect the ideas in the other people's heads until everyone's ideas are almost exactly the same. <doctormo> Cutomerisation = Turning users into customers :-P <AlanBell> ok, that makes sense * czajkowski hugs jono before going off to sleep <jono> hey czajkowski :-) <jono> czajkowski, see my blog post? <jono> doctormo, back now <czajkowski> had a great afternnon in canonical. <czajkowski> jono: I did.. interesting comments on it, will reply tomorrow ehn I'm a lot more awake <jono> thanks czajkowski <jono> :) <jono> jcastro, still around? #ubuntu-community-team 2010-12-03 <jcastro> jono: yep <jono> jcastro, hey <jono> have you published the first bitesize bugs blog yet? <jcastro> no <jcastro> the list only has 4 bugs right now <jono> jcastro, that's fine <jono> I think you should use that as an opportunity <jcastro> yep, dbarth and I plan to fix the instructions tomorrow <jono> list those four bugs and say there must be more bugs and to encourage people to (a) test and (b) fix <jono> ok so you will blog it tomorrow? <jcastro> I can, sure <jono> thanks jcastro <jono> this is going to be awesome :-) <jono> A1 feels great too <jono> seems the compiz bugs are largely gone <jcastro> hey try this <jcastro> see if you can alt-drag a window past the top of the screen <jcastro> jono: also sam sent me a list of compiz low hanging fruit as well <jcastro> I figured it would be a good "if you run out of these here's another place to help" <jono> jcastro, perfect <jono> although I am keen for the real focus to be on unity <jcastro> nod <jcastro> jono: menu scrubbing is still kind of flaky, but neil mentioned in the bug that he knows how to fix it and it will be in the next release <jono> sweet <jcastro> well, next week's release <jono> yeah, a pretty good start with A1 <jcastro> there's one tomorrow <jono> going to be a rocking release <jcastro> yeah <jono> the real work for you begins tomorrow, my friend :-) <jono> get the world passionate about testing and fixing Unity :-) <jcastro> http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/unity <jcastro> no huge spike quite yet! <jcastro> I suspect this weekend will be when they hit <jcastro> (the incoming bugs I mean) <jono> totally <jcastro> jono: oh hey, I need a recommendation for a piece of text. <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/673257 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 673257 in unity (Ubuntu) "Please consider renaming the Unity desktop to avoid naming conflict with Unity Linux (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Low,Triaged] <jcastro> where do you recommend I put this? <jono> put what? <jono> oh I see <jono> a clarification <jcastro> right <jcastro> something like "for unity linux the distro go here, blah blah" <jono> jcastro, stick it in the footer <jcastro> This site is about the Unity the desktop shell and is not related to <a href="http://unity-linux.org/">Unity Linux</a>. <jcastro> how's that? <jono> jcastro, cool <jono> we also not Unity the 3D engine <jono> :-) <jcastro> oh, good point <dpm> good morning all! * jussi yawns and waves to dpm <jussi> TGIF <dpm> hey jussi :) <kim0> morning everyone o/ * jussi hides from kim0 <kim0> hehe <dpm> morning kim0! <kim0> dpm: morning man .. How was your teley yesterday :) <dpm> kim0, great, it was good fun :). Happy to see lots of participation, and the feedback was good <dholbach> good morning! <kim0> dholbach: hey there .. How's the snow going :) <dholbach> hey kim0 <dholbach> kim0, it's still there, but it stopped snowing yesterday evening <kim0> cool <dholbach> and it's still cold, even with the deicing spray I couldn't get my bicycle lock opened <dholbach> so I had to walk again <kim0> oh! <dpm> dholbach, morning!, so no ice skating to work either? <dholbach> dpm, I guess I'll see how thick the ice is Monday next week - I'll give it another weekend ;-) <dholbach> dpm, I didn't see the rest of your show - how did it go? seemed like you had a bunch of people there <dpm> dholbach, it went very well, I was really pleased to see lots of participation. I was telling kim0 earlier, it was good fun! <dholbach> excellent :) <czajkowski> aloha <dholbach> hola czajkowski <czajkowski> whoo tis Friday :) <dpm> hey czajkowski <czajkowski> dpm: ello there <dholbach> kim0, do you have an idea what's going wrong if "channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 32768" is the last thing I get when issuing scp on a machine? (it just sits there for ages doing nothing) <kim0> hmm <kim0> I think rwin 0 means the advertised tcp receive window from the server is 0 which means the machine is too busy to process any further packets ... so it tells clients to stop sending any data <kim0> dholbach: can you check if the server is healthy <dholbach> really really weird <dholbach> kim0, yes, it's the second machine I'm sitting in front :) <kim0> dholbach: any logs on server side <kim0> dholbach: does telnet server 22 work <dholbach> ...session opened for user daniel by (uid=0) <dholbach> telnet seems to work: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.6p1 Debian-2ubuntu1 <kim0> dholbach: can u ssh into some other box .. chinstrap maybe <dholbach> yes <dholbach> that works fine <dholbach> I mean, I could just use a usb stick but still it's a bit weird :) <kim0> hehe <kim0> dholbach: well yeah .. not sure what's going there <dholbach> thanks a lot anyway :) <kim0> mm .. server might be out of file descriptors <kim0> might wanna try rebooting it <dholbach> I restarted it 15 minutes ago :) <kim0> ew <kim0> you must be using natty :) <dholbach> I am :) <dholbach> maybe I should restart the client :) <kim0> could be as well <dholbach> brb <dholbach> kim0, it worked <kim0> ah cool :) <dholbach> WEIRD <kim0> yeah! <kim0> I hate it when restarting something resolves it <dholbach> I hate it when the MSWindows approach works :) <dholbach> haha * dholbach hugs kim0 <kim0> hehe <czajkowski> whooo I love my job and new boss he just rang to say they are shutting the office down and work from home <czajkowski> :D <dholbach> hola randa <duanedesign> morning all <randa> hello everyone :) <dholbach> kim0, I think here's something funny with the wifi - seems like over ethernet I don't have these problems - weird weird weird, I'll ask one of the other guys later on - maybe I'm not the first to complain :) <popey> dholbach: you on battery or AC? <dholbach> AC <dholbach> popey, you read the part of the conversation about stalled scp transfers? :) <popey> no <dholbach> that's what I was referring to :) * dholbach hugs popey <popey> oookay <kim0> dholbach: do you have a broadcom card <dholbach> no, intelsomething <kim0> there was some driver bug <kim0> well no idea then <popey> i still think its power related :) <dholbach> why should the scp connection initiate, then stall? :) <popey> dholbach: does "sudo iwconfig <device> power off" make any difference? <popey> to disable power management on the wifi <dholbach> SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not supported. <popey> iiiinteresting <domjohnson> Has anyone here got an Intuos4 working under 10.10? <domjohnson> (I was told to ask here...) * popey points domjohnson at doctormo <popey> (he may be asleep) <domjohnson> Ok :) <domjohnson> Thanks <dholbach> dpm, the leader of the basque translations team seems to do an internship in Berlin - he/she just asked me about bug jams of the berlin team :) * dholbach hugs dpm * dpm hugs dholbach :) <jcastro> hey dpm <jcastro> http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/1648648635/getting-patch-contribution-back-into-shape#comment-106284827 <dpm> heya jcastro, on it <jcastro> <3 <dpm> although that might have been a bit precipitated, I need to think of a good answer first :) Just a minute - btw, I haven't forgotten on checking the unity.u.c translation links, I'll get onto that in a minute <dpm> I need to get the announcement on opening Natty translations out first, just finishing off the draft <dholbach> doctormo, thanks a lot for your work on this! <doctormo> dholbach: Happy with the results? <dholbach> http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/guide/introduction-to-ubuntu-development.html <doctormo> dholbach's packaging guide? <doctormo> I think I still have mine, it needs more editing, much shame. <dholbach> doctormo, no, it's not going to stay there <dholbach> I just wanted to put it up somewhere <doctormo> Ah cool, nice work on the text, we should do that editing session we were talking ihodge@example.net. <dholbach> I hope that we can emulate that somehow with loads of merge proposals and getting the content out there so people can give us feedback <doctormo> dholbach: The manual team did well I think by having organised, weekly reading sessions with quick turn arounds. <doctormo> I'm not sure we could enthuse a lot of people to read devel docs any other way. <duanedesign> hello doctormo o/ <dholbach> nice, that sounds great <doctormo> hey duanedesign <jcastro> I can't get this new black eyed peas song out of my head <JFo> jcastro, which one? <JFo> boom boom pow? <jcastro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwQZQygg3Lk <jcastro> come on let's go! <jcastro> JFo: don't put it on, you'll just get addicted <JFo> heh <JFo> too late :-/ <jcastro> dirty bit! <JFo> already have it and am addicted <JFo> :) <jcastro> dirty bit! <JFo> I'm tellin you!... <JFo> dang, now I'll be singing that all day * JFo preempts with some DJ Chuckie <doctormo> JFo: that's rubbish, I got caught out by DJ Tripp's Dynamite Pressure. That's awesome. * dholbach discovered the term "Electro Swing" yesterday - now I know what they play near the place where I live all the time :) <JFo> dholbach, :) <dholbach> a bit crazy how people get mad about new music that has this "old" touch to it, but it's fun <doctormo> dholbach: That's explainable, especially since
{'channel': 'ubuntu-community-team', 'month': 12}