#ubuntu-us-nc 2011-04-01 <akgraner> Jono Bacon confesses that he is really jef spaleta - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/04/01/i-am-jef-spaleta/ <mhall119> I actually had to google "Jef Spaleta" to get the joke <mhall119> akgraner: still no UGJ event for NC? #ubuntu-us-nc 2011-04-04 <Hour_glASS_23> helloooooooooo! <holstein> Hour_glASS_23: o/ <holstein> whats new? <Hour_glASS_23> notta mucho and u? #ubuntu-us-nc 2011-04-06 <Nivex> I know it's not recommended, but how much of a problem would it be to upgrade to current_release+2 by hand with apt? <holstein> Nivex: lol <holstein> as long as reinstalling from scratch doesnt scare you in any way as a backup plan <holstein> i say go for it <holstein> usually, i have my stuff backed up, and only do the verion upgrades as a test <holstein> when they work, i usually still end up re-installing <holstein> installing from CD these days takes like 15 minutes <holstein> upgrading.... that still takes a while <holstein> sometimes 6 or 7 hours <Nivex> holstein: well the other option is go to n+1 then n+1+1 <Nivex> takes longer, but is safer <holstein> i find only safety in lucid ;) <Nivex> that's what I'm still running on my laptop and netbook, but there are some improvements in the newer kernels that would be nice to have in those environments <holstein> like? <holstein> im testing some kernels for ubuntustudio <holstein> in maverick and natty <Nivex> I was going to upgrade to maverick but the annoying Alt modifier bug in vte that still isn't solved stopped me <holstein> i think we are really close to just having the -generic kernel do the job :) <holstein> so far, theres no show stoppers for lucid for me <holstein> i have a very nice PPA for audio apps <holstein> i use* <Nivex> I upgraded my media PC because I wanted the newer players, and the backports (specifically VLC) wanted to bring along a bunch of core stuff, so I figured I might as well <Nivex> hmm, looking back over the kernel stuff, the helpful stuff is in .37 and .38, which is why I'm alexanderlisa@example.com. .37 gets SMP improvements on ext4 and .38 gets the process queueing "wonder patch" <holstein> Nivex: maybe before reinstalling or upgrading <holstein> you coule just try that kernel in lucid <akgraner> holstein, I've been using test drive this week and installing/updating and trying out various versions of 11.04 <holstein> akgraner: cool <holstein> i just updated my natty install last night <holstein> testing a couple kernels for ubuntustudio with firewire <holstein> akgraner: whaddaya think? <akgraner> oh cool <akgraner> I haven't tested ubuntustudio yet <akgraner> however I am about to snag GNOME 3.0 and check it out <holstein> akgraner: we're just on gnome2 for now <holstein> talking about maybe XFCE for 11.10 <holstein> no reason to test it really <holstein> we are also kicking around a live CD/DVD <holstein> hopefully by 12.04 <akgraner> GNOME 3.0 released today and from the screen shots I saw it's looking sweet <akgraner> plus I am digging Unity now...so what the heck <holstein> unity is looking good <holstein> its not for me though <holstein> im not liking the launcher bar hiding right now <holstein> but, they got some time :) <akgraner> nods <akgraner> I think hiding is part of it though <akgraner> when not in use it goes away <akgraner> to keep the desktop clean <holstein> sure <holstein> but, i thought it was a crash for a couple minutes <holstein> til i figured out what to hover over <holstein> and then, how exactly to hover over it to get it fully back <holstein> not very intuitive <akgraner> nods <akgraner> I was frustrated the first time I tried it in Alpha 2 I think <akgraner> so then I waited til Beta 1 and life is good now :-) <holstein> well, im running 10.04 on everything important <holstein> so im not worried :) <holstein> ill figure something out by 12.04 <holstein> im really missing fluxbox these days <holstein> it just took *so* long to get it all tweaked out the way i wanted it <akgraner> :-) who is working on fluxbox these days <akgraner> paultag I think <holstein> akgraner: paultag is helping us with ubuntustudio right now :) <Nivex> I thought OpenBox was the current incarnation of that line <holstein> Nivex: flux is still around <holstein> ive only used openbox with LXDE <holstein> not really the same thing <Nivex> I miss WindowMaker from time to time <holstein> :) <_marx_> hum, afterstep and fluxbox * _marx_ dl'd natty beta last night fixin' to do a vbox install now <akgraner> holstein, paultag is awesome! #ubuntu-us-nc 2011-04-07 <holstein> this is the first wednesday :/ <holstein> no meeting <holstein> we got our official status <holstein> and kinda died off <holstein> unfortunately <holstein> or fortunately, depending on how you look at it <holstein> ive gotten busy <holstein> and cant really help out as much as i was once before <holstein> but, we should try and have a brainstroming via mailing list <holstein> or here <holstein> cause, its dead like disco in here <_marx_> disco is dead? <_marx_> i'm up at five tomorrow <_marx_> on the road by 6 <holstein> disco is what it is <holstein> this channel/team is dead <_marx_> i came in in late '08 or so <_marx_> bored unemployed Carpenter <holstein> well, as of 10:14pm EST today <holstein> this place is dry <holstein> _marx_: you still having ubuntu hours at crankies? <_marx_> geeks are lame, too busy making money or coding or living just like us blue collar types <_marx_> been working saturdays lately <_marx_> booked this sat <_marx_> should be 150 or so cash <holstein> how about 11.04 release parties? <_marx_> close to my birthday every time <_marx_> i'm not inspired to do anything other than pay my bills <_marx_> su lost her job a month ago <holstein> drag <_marx_> how to pay the next round of bills is much more important to me than...most anything i can think of <holstein> i hear you <holstein> its tough right now for sure <holstein> who is team lead now? <_marx_> i believe the contact is amber <holstein> contact? <holstein> or team lead? <holstein> i dont think amber thinks she is the team lead <_marx_> w/canonical it's the same <_marx_> afaik <holstein> well, we should probably figure out who the team lead is <holstein> thats probably a good reason why the team/channel is dying * holstein sent an email <holstein> we'll figure out whos who <_marx_> "leading" a loco has a definition somewhere <holstein> and whats what <_marx_> where's that cat herding video? <holstein> _marx_: i was under the impression you were the leader <_marx_> fuckina <_marx_> i can't be, i cuss too much <holstein> hehe <_marx_> seriously there are lots of reasons i'm not a good leader <_marx_> besides not leading <holstein> well, thats beside the point actually <holstein> if you arent the team lead <holstein> thats fine <_marx_> i have no contacts in any computer industry <holstein> we just need someone to do something <_marx_> i did already two three years ago <_marx_> well two anyway <_marx_> i'm stil a 50, yes Fifty something carpenter grandfather... <holstein> congrats <_marx_> not yer typical linux user or loco team leader <_marx_> 5 grandkids <_marx_> that ain't new <holstein> BugeyeD: i remember you saying you were an X guy right? <holstein> im having some issues with XDMX <holstein> wondering if you had any suggestions... <BugeyeD> holstein: i used to know my way around the x config, sure. don't know what xdmx is, though. <holstein> im using it to fake a 2nd monitor <holstein> with an old laptop <holstein> and its working well <holstein> but im getting some strange keyboard behavior <holstein> while the server is running <holstein> and after i disconnect <holstein> and #xorg is ice-ing me ;) <_marx_> '02 or so i did a plug meeting on dual monitors on a P233 <holstein> i'll keep fiddling <holstein> _marx_: with XDMX ? <BugeyeD> holstein: no idea about xdmx, sorry. and i'm too tired to be helpful right now even if i'd seen it before. :( <_marx_> a p233 w/2 monitors, no <_marx_> holstein: didn't exist then <holstein> yeah> <holstein> ? <holstein> interesting <holstein> maybe thats why im having a hard time getting help <holstein> i thought it was old <_marx_> i don't even recall for sure what it ran, likely mandrake <_marx_> holstein: i can prolly do the winston ubuntu hour this month <holstein> i was just wondering if you were doing it still <holstein> and if anyone was coming/interested <holstein> im not trying to say you *should* be <holstein> anyhow <holstein> GN.. <_marx_> well can be, money to be made <_marx_> give up $150 when i could really use it or go meet.. * _marx_ a 10+ year desktop linux user <_marx_> and that is all* <BugeyeD> _marx_: i'll be outta town saturday (leaving today, back sunday nite) <BugeyeD> i've been a few times myself, so we can prolly still mark up a couple of UH's if we wanted to. the kids love it there. they like sitting next to me, myself on my laptop and them on their olpc laptop playing games. <BugeyeD> of course, the hot chocolate and gargantuan cookies don't hurt their feelings either. <BugeyeD> i'm so oversubscribed now that i don't think i'd be a good team lead either. <BugeyeD> but if you need someone to step in so there will be someone to "blame" then i'm used to that too. :) <holstein> i wasnt trying to say _marx_ should be hosting the UH's <BugeyeD> yeah, SURE you weren't. <BugeyeD> :) <holstein> i was just trying to guage if they were still happening <holstein> what the interest level was like <BugeyeD> we still do from time to time. our last one saw someone from greensboro show up. <holstein> i was really hoping someone else in our local LUG would take that on <holstein> and either host an UH <holstein> or maybe even an ubuntu users group <holstein> seperate from the LUG <BugeyeD> i go every other week or so for a few hours and take the kids. i've had a few folks stop to talk because of the kids and the linux stickers all over their little green/white laptops. <holstein> i just cant do it <holstein> but our LUG is growing quite nicely :) <BugeyeD> we have a problem in our area. i think we have plenty of folks who "would have been" interested, but <holstein> well, thats fine though <BugeyeD> a long-standing lug in our area has given most of them a _very_ bad taste ... <holstein> and the UH's dont have everything to do with the team <holstein> i just think its a good potential recruiting tool <BugeyeD> good point <BugeyeD> on another note, nginx rocks. it's so much better than apache, at least for my current purposes. <holstein> cool <holstein> its nice to find the proper tool <BugeyeD> varnish looks nice too, and i may start using that for certain things. it has a constant-size ram cache which works very well. <BugeyeD> just wish i didn't have to deal with php ... <holstein> sql is the one that i always google about <holstein> and paste in whatever blindly <holstein> BugeyeD: i think it would be nice if one of you 'old-schoolers' took over for _marx_ <holstein> but thats just my opinion <holstein> and i totally understand being too busy <BugeyeD> the sql doesn't bother me; it's the php layer between the sql and the user that gives me nightmares. so many security holes ... <BugeyeD> who you calling old? <BugeyeD> heh <holstein> hehe <BugeyeD> i wouldn't mind, i'm used to getting blamed. <holstein> BugeyeD: give its some thought <holstein> i'll be pushing the issue as i make/have time <holstein> gotta run... BBL <BugeyeD> l8r <akgraner> hey y'all who wants to help plan an UbuCon for the Southeast Linux Fest in June? <akgraner> space is secured already! <holstein> o/ <holstein> akgraner: im actually pretty sure i cant be there already :/ <holstein> but i'll help out if i can <akgraner> thanks! I'll make a list of what all needs to be done and send it to the mailing list over the next few days <akgraner> totally forgot about the team meeting - I am neck deep in work and a book atm ...but my schedule should get back to *normal* (what ever that is) after UDS :-) <holstein> akgraner: no worries <holstein> i have a message out to the list <holstein> to determine who is the team lead <holstein> and i'll try and make some time to stoke the fire a bit ;) <holstein> :) <akgraner> oh crap - I think I am still listed as the team lead <holstein> akgraner: yeah? <akgraner> this last cycle was crazy for me... <holstein> i see you as contanct <holstein> _marx_'s said contact = team lead <akgraner> I thought that is what we decided.. <holstein> but i was asuming _marx_ was team lead <akgraner> but I honestly don't mind handing it off... <holstein> anyways, we all no how dead it is here <akgraner> yeah :-( <holstein> and im not really in a position right now to do much about it <akgraner> but the irc channel isn't the only place for activity <holstein> other than just try and brain-storm here and there <holstein> akgraner: true <holstein> i think the whole she-bang is kinda dead though :/ <akgraner> yeah - I'll be around more after uds - so maybe between now and end of may we can brain-storm some more <akgraner> and come up with a plan of attack <holstein> sure <holstein> maybe we could have a barleys meetup <akgraner> however, I don't think we are very different from most teams - sometimes participation and activity comes in cycles <akgraner> barleys would rock! <akgraner> (but more towards the end of may) :-) <holstein> yeah, im totally slammed for now too <holstein> im thinking about going for ubuntu membership <holstein> if i can find a thursday i can make the meeting for sure <akgraner> coolieo <akgraner> you can also go to one of the other membership boards if you can't make an americas board meeting <holstein> akgraner: good to know <akgraner> let me know if you need a testimonial <holstein> i want to make sure scott lavender can go <holstein> or you :) <holstein> and/or <akgraner> or more testimonials..make sure to send me the link to your wiki page once you choose a date <holstein> akgraner: will do :) <holstein> im thinking sometime this summer i'll try and make it happen <akgraner> awesome!! #ubuntu-us-nc 2011-04-09 * _marx_ tinkering w/old dell dem 3000 pc <_marx_> needs ram <holstein> i got a gigabyte in my server <_marx_> this one has .5 g <_marx_> it's running 11.04 xfce and burning it's own boot cd now <holstein> cool <_marx_> xubuntu on early p4 w/500m ram <holstein> you checked out peppermintOS <holstein> ? <holstein> local guys <holstein> hendersonville <holstein> i have it running on a couple of 'appliance' kind of boxes <_marx_> no i haven't <_marx_> xfburn reported failure but file manager likes the disk... <holstein> yeah, ive seen 'cant eject the disk' errors <holstein> that look scary <holstein> but dont really effect anything <_marx_> well my play time is up <holstein> :/ #ubuntu-us-nc 2011-04-12 <bac> hi akgraner -- is there a natty release party in the works? <akgraner> bac, I'm not sure...let me see if I can help get one organized in your AO... <bac> akgraner: AO? <bac> akgraner: let's talk. i'd love to help set something up in CH <akgraner> Area of Operations :-) <akgraner> sorry I'm I'm acronym mode :-) <akgraner> bac, cool what does your tomorrow look like - can I ping you some time in the morning? <bac> akgraner: sure, any time after 8:45 <akgraner> bac, thanks will do! #ubuntu-us-nc 2011-04-13 <bac> akgraner: morning <akgraner> bac, morning #ubuntu-us-nc 2011-04-14 <akgraner> hey y'all..release parties - anyone planning one? <akgraner> If you are in the Triangle area and can make it - plans are being worked on for a release party on the 28th... <akgraner> we are trying to get a number together to let a venue know how many to expect <akgraner> jack_, Nivex ^^^ <akgraner> oh the venue is in Chapel Hill <Nivex> say what now? I don't have to deal with Raleigh traffic? <Nivex> aww, no pgraner. was just going to mention: most of the features I care about in the next release are all upstream kernel stuff :) <akgraner> :-) nah - he'll be in London for release week there <akgraner> This is his busiest time of the year <akgraner> he is at ELC this week, Texas Next week, London the following week Portland after than then one to UDS from there... it's crazy <Nivex> I'm a little concerned about my desired switch to Xubuntu. I brought my test VM back up and my panel doesn't show up. xfce4-panel is running, but it's not visible <Nivex> and I finally got to the panel prefs manager and the config for it is gone anyway :/ <_marx_> Nivex: i think the new xfce panel hides by default <Nivex> _marx_: yeah but I had customized the heck out of mine <Nivex> the settings had been mangled. I'm not gonna lay any blame yet since it's a not well maintained test environment <Nivex> but at some point I'll look into it <_marx_> i used to always have a hardware test env but...only vm's available now <_marx_> _only two computers, how does one live w/o 3 or 4 ;-) <jack_> akgraner: i haven't made any plans or talked to anyone about it. :O #ubuntu-us-nc 2011-04-15 <bac> hi akgraner <BugeyeD> Nivex: install ubuntu server && apt-get install xmonad && enjoy coffee. well, it works for alexanderlisa@example.com. :) <Nivex> BugeyeD: I'm not THAT insane <Nivex> BugeyeD: I miss WindowMaker sometimes though <akgraner> bac, hey <bac> hi akgraner -- did you get any feedback on your email about the release party? <akgraner> yep <akgraner> and as it looks right now - the kids and I as well as JFO will be there <bac> ok, so you got no negative feedback on doing it here. great, i'll finalize everything <akgraner> bac, so between us, all you Canonical people, and folks one the mailing list I think we should have a pretty good turnout <bac> cool <akgraner> k I'll add it to the loco.directory then and set up a fb invite (but it will be later this evening) <bac> np <bac> plenty of time <billfarrow> where could I get some CDs to hand out at the Raleigh Amateur Radio Society festival ? It's short notice, April 23 at the State Fairgrounds. * Nivex just saw the party email on trilug@ :) <billfarrow> The software freedom day website it down :-( some of their CDs would be good to. <billfarrow> hand out <akgraner> billfarrow, the 11.04 won't be ready for another couple of weeks <akgraner> however, I may be able to get you LTS and 10.10 ones <akgraner> can you send me an email to where you need them sent <akgraner> and how many you will need <jeffrash> akgraner: is 11.04 the release without Gnome? <akgraner> with Unity <jeffrash> I haven't been keeping up <akgraner> which is a shell for GNOME but it is not GNOME shell <akgraner> (make sense?) <jeffrash> yes <akgraner> jeffrash, no worries :-) <jeffrash> thanks <Nivex> should I be worried that when I google for "Crunkleton" the page says "Permanently closed" ? <billfarrow> Nivex: must be your setup, the first link from google goes to their home page <Nivex> I blame my phone <billfarrow> Ahh, it might be flash - in which case their web developer should be sacked <Tracy_P> hear hear <Nivex> this was a google place page <Nivex> i got to by trying to search from the maps app <Nivex> BugeyeD: oh, and you can do a "cli" install from the alternate CD rather than having to install server <bac> thecrunkleton.com <Nivex> at least as of lucid you still could <bac> and it has no flash...i berated him on that point when he was looking to create a new web site <billfarrow> Nope, I still think it is Nivex's setup - I can read the homepage on my iphone just fine <Nivex> as i said, it wasn't the homepage that was at issue <Nivex> I searched from within maps <Nivex> I guess my use of "googled" in this case was confusing <BugeyeD> Nivex: yeah, but the 'cli' install from -alt still results in gigs of desktop junk i'll never use. :) <Nivex> BugeyeD: that's weird. when I did cli it was pretty much a barebones system. <BugeyeD> barebones meaning it came with the standard gnome apps, right? <Nivex> either way, I tend to do net installs, which are definitely barebones and then just bring in the desired metapackge <Nivex> BugeyeD: no, barebones as in X wasn't even installed <BugeyeD> hmmmmm <humanisfood> whatsup? first time in this room. #ubuntu-us-nc 2011-04-16 <Nivex> xubuntu-desktop seems to recommend an awful lot of gnome-* packages <holstein> uses the gnome network manager <holstein> lots of gnome tools acutally <holstein> its GTK too right? <Nivex> yes xfce is gtk based <holstein> we are entertaining moving ubuntustudio to XFCE <holstein> i think its going to happen <holstein> i like the idea actually <holstein> but it does seem like a step backwards kinda <holstein> as far as feeling modern <Nivex> xfce 4.8 has made some strides forward <Nivex> one thing I don't like about greybird (xubuntu default theme): It's not readily apparent which window has focus <Nivex> nice, you can change the window manager appearance without having to change the rest of the theme <Nivex> (since the rest of greybird is growing on me) #ubuntu-us-nc 2011-04-17 <marco_polo> two log bots * marco_polo been digging lxde on my new old box <holstein> marco_polo: i got LXDE on a couple old lappies <holstein> default DE on peppermintOS :) <akgraner> bac, ping - you all ok? Van Hoof lost his condo.... <rballz75> charlotte anyone? <akgraner> I'm about an hour from CLT #ubuntu-us-nc 2011-04-18 <rballz75> charlotte here <holstein> asheville in the house :) <adam_vollrath> brooklyn represent * holstein fist-bumps adam_vollrath <jack_^> lawl <jack_^> anybody in here using boxee on ubuntu? im trying to get it to run on my girlfriend's laptop but the interface runs like ass :/ <jack_^> i think its a driver issue. its using an intel card <holstein> jack_^: it ran like ass for me <holstein> on an ati card <holstein> and i fiddled with other issues on that card <holstein> i switched to a better supported nividia card <holstein> and installed the freedom-hating driver <holstein> and the other things, and boxee are much better <holstein> jack_^: does compiz run smooth on it? <jack_^> yeah compiz seems to be fine <holstein> hmmm <jack_^> i had this same issue on my nvidia card with nouvaeu but after using the proprietary drivers it worked great <jack_^> im trying to update the package now. this is a livecd im trying to get it working oN :P <holstein> jack_^: yeah, that nvidia card wasnt great with nouveau <holstein> jack_^: it might be better on metal <holstein> but who knows <holstein> probably not that much better <jack_^> heh <holstein> if youve got a gig of ram or so, thats probably similar to metal <jack_^> i have boxee running on 10.04 in my living room. this one is for the bedroom. it was running win7 but i cant stand that crap <jack_^> im only getting 10mbps network transfer between my storage server and the laptop. in ubuntu it jumps to 22mbps <jack_^> not that i _need_ that speed... but ya know <jack_^> it works fine in win7 was the point of that story <jack_^> heh <rballz75> charlotte here! <holstein> lol <holstein> rballz75: so where ya from ? <holstein> can we just block chatmoshere? <BugeyeD> akgraner: what the heck do you know about satch? <BugeyeD> i've been surfing with the alien a long time now <bac> akgraner: yeah, we had no problems with the storm, not even very strong winds. we had a break in the line as it passed by. thanks for asking. #ubuntu-us-nc 2011-04-19 <_marx_> 22 killed in nc <_marx_> 62 tornadoes <_marx_> wow <jack_^> akgraner, do you know if there is a release party scheduled in raleigh yet? a buddy at mine at work was talking about making the trip out to chapel hill but i told im we may have one here <axisofentropy> hey when's dat party? <akgraner> jack_, the one in Chapel Hill is the only one being planned in the triangle area (unless you or someone else would like to plan one) :-) <akgraner> axisofentropy_, Thursday 28, 7-10 crunkleton in Chapel Hill - a more formal invite will hit the internets today :-) <bac> jack_ : the details for the CH release party are now up at http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/906/detail/ <jack_> i'd rather go to a raleigh party to be honest :X <jack_> when is the release date? <bac> 28th <jack_> damn. in like 9 days? i dont think thats enough notice. last time we had 3 people show up. the me, sascha, and my buddy i brought along <bac> jack_, i hear you. otoh it would be kind of nice to have more people and let it rotate around the triangle <billfarrow> I posted the CH party details to the TriLUG mailing list a couple of days ago. <billfarrow> why does the natty release party registration not use the Name field from my profile and only the username <bac> thanks billfarrow <bac> billfarrow: don't know why the difference between you and jon's display and mine <billfarrow> bac: weird huh. something is broken, oh well. <bac> billfarrow: do you still have your launchpad account? <billfarrow> bac: yeah, but when the events page showed my username I went and changed it to something more recognisable, and the link is now broken <bac> billfarrow: doh <billfarrow> kinda strange that launchpad allows you to change the unique key that other sites link to :-) <akgraner> billfarrow, thank you - I got a couple of emails from people on the list...yay! <bac> billfarrow: you may want to try to change your registration status <bac> toggle it off then on again and see if the link is recreated <billfarrow> tried that, didn't help <bac> darn <billfarrow> I guess I could change my username back and try again <billfarrow> Arrg, I'll leave it as my old username and retain the links * marco_polo just went natty on an lubuntu install <bac> billfarrow: i found this in the loco-directory code: <bac> # set real name as username for now, <bac> # we get the name later on via cronjob <bac> so, maybe check back tomorrow? <mhall119> billfarrow: you changed your LP username? <bac> billfarrow: btw, LP heavily discourages users from changing their LP id if they have internal resources addressed by it, such as a PPA <mhall119> billfarrow: there's a fix working it's way through the process that will allow loco-directory to follow LP username changes <mhall119> it'll probably take a few weeks before it's live though <billfarrow> I'm not in a hurry, I was just suprised that it broke <mhall119> billfarrow: it's a bug we've been dealing with for a while, but it's in the django-openid-auth project code, which links launchpad (SSO to be more specific) to loco-directory, so we've had to submit patches to them #ubuntu-us-nc 2011-04-20 <Nivex> wow... is anyone still running Dapper Drake? <Nivex> I just got the EOL notice in email today <marco_polo> some display glitches <marco_polo> 500M ram box usable as a desktop, not too shaby <marco_polo> i wouldn't be editing large image files, etc... <holstein> yeah, natty is probably lighter than karmic or intrepid was <marco_polo> lubuntu <marco_polo> not ubuntu <holstein> whatever DE <holstein> i like lxde <marco_polo> crazy dist-upgrade path too <holstein> i just always miss something <holstein> and go back to gnome <marco_polo> 10.04 server to current lubuntu, current being natty <thorsten11> good evening all <jack_> akgraner: you watching Adam drew atm? <akgraner> jack_, nope :-( I have a deadline I'm under for something else atm...I'll watch it later though <jack_> ah righton <jack_> i sit right next to him at work :O heh <akgraner> coool - :-) I'm excited though that he is hosting this one I can't wait to watch it... <jack_> yeah i love this presentation. i've watched it twice haha <_marx_> Question: where or how does one change the time that update manager runs? The gui only goes down to the day level. <holstein> i cant remember when i started turning update manager off <holstein> i think it was around 9.04 or so <holstein> im usually using PPA's for audio packages so i need the dist-upgrade a lot <_marx_> ah <_marx_> that's an option <_marx_> i just don't want the check to run at 7:30 am <holstein> i dont want it to run after i hit the record button ;) <_marx_> i can see that being a bad thing <akgraner> I don't use update manager either... <akgraner> for once I actually use the command line for stuff...:-) #ubuntu-us-nc 2011-04-21 <_marx_> nice akgraner, when do we stop calling you an NTEU? :) <_marx_> but still the question remains. <_marx_> how where does one control the time of day that the update manager runs? <_marx_> it is, too me, a simple question yet Mr. Google has yet to reveal an answer <_marx_> there seems to be _no documentation on the subject <_marx_> if just turning it off is the best solution why is it even included in any version and why is it still used in so many distros? <_marx_> it is what it is = it is a piece of shit <akgraner> I've asked on Ask Ubuntu - http://askubuntu.com/questions/36251/is-there-a-way-to-change-what-time-the-update-manager-checks-for-updates <akgraner> and I'll submit a feature request as as well.... <akgraner> _marx_, if you click on that link just vote up the question...if others can do that as well, this way it gets marked as a valid question and moved to the top/front page for people to see <akgraner> _marx_, hopefully you'll get an answer soon...Great question by the way! <_marx_> awesome! <_marx_> i don't care if it's gui, looking through default cron jobs i don't see it <_marx_> used to be i'd be at work, non-computer work, by 7:30 now i'm usually sitting here when the resource pig runs <_marx_> now i'm off to do one of my favorite things, vinyl siding, i'll be back in ten years to fix the water damage <akgraner> _marx_, here is your answer - http://askubuntu.com/questions/36251/is-there-a-way-to-change-what-time-the-update-manager-checks-for-updates <akgraner> I <3 Ask Ubuntu! <jeffrash> Any one running 11.04 beta yet? <Italian_Plumber> was that released today? <jeffrash> I'm not sure when it was released <jeffrash> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta <jeffrash> I read that beta 2 was out or coming on OMG Ubuntu a few days ago <jeffrash> it's there now <holstein> jeffrash: ive been running a testing version for a while now <holstein> a month or so <jeffrash> any major issues? <holstein> depends <holstein> i mean, im not running maverick anywhere that is matters ;) <holstein> but, a casual desktop machine <holstein> where you know what you're getting into <holstein> i would run natty now <jeffrash> I am very happy with maverick. It's natty I'm not sure of. <jeffrash> I think I do a VM and see what happens <jeffrash> I'll do <holstein> well, either you like unity or not <holstein> its not a bug though ;) <holstein> its a feature <jeffrash> right <holstein> other than the big UI change <holstein> most everything else is stable as it should be <jeffrash> ok, thanks <jeffrash> downloading the ISO now <akgraner> jeffrash, I am <holstein> akgraner: no deal breakers right? <akgraner> nope <akgraner> I'm loving it <jeffrash> good to know <jeffrash> thanks <jack_> i heard unity is great compared to gnome-shell :x <akgraner> haven't tried it yet - I'll check Fedora 15 this weekend though <jeffrash> no joy with 11.04b2 in Virtual Box <jeffrash> Upgrading my D420 laptop to 11.04b2 instead <jeffrash> If it doesn't work, I needed to rebuild it anyway <_marx_> jeffrash: natty failed to run unity in my vbox test ahhh 'bout two weeks ago <_marx_> video issues <Tracy_P> VirtualBox or VMware Player? <_marx_> virtual box from sun/oracle <_marx_> not the ose version <_marx_> akgraner: that is perfect, i didn't know about ask ubuntu <Tracy_P> I know this is bordering near the ban list... Does your version of VirtualBox run the Areo of the Microsoft OS's? <_marx_> haven't tried <_marx_> i did not enable 3d in the guest so that is likely the cause <Tracy_P> VMware version 6 is able to, so I'm curious which is a better option <_marx_> ic <_marx_> actually opensuse 11.4 kde somehow started it's 3d desktop effects on install <_marx_> which just about completely locked up the vm <Tracy_P> I'm sure host hardware will have a lot to do with that too. <_marx_> yeah, my current host has an intel 9xx video, was using an nvidia agp card on another now deceased box <jeffrash> no Broadcom wireless in 11.04 <jeffrash> The STA driver is loaded but not working <holstein> jeffrash: :/ <jeffrash> 11.04b2 <holstein> jeffrash: hmmm <holstein> jeffrash: is the other one available <jeffrash> what's the command to get my card version again? <jeffrash> no, only STA <holstein> jeffrash: try lspci -vv * holstein is att he WNCLUG :) <holstein> at* <jeffrash> just found an article that it broke in beta 2 <jeffrash> kernel problem <jeffrash> got to run, I'll fix it later <jeffrash> thanks guys <holstein> jeffrash: good luck #ubuntu-us-nc 2011-04-22 <_marx_> si buena suerte <jeffrash> just installed the b43-installer and wifi is working now <jeffrash> didn't even have to restart <jeffrash> restarting now to make sure it continues to work <holstein> jeffrash: w00t <BugeyeD> what's the fastest mirror (for us here in nc) to grab the 10.04 server iso? <_marx_> not my house, RR upload bites <_marx_> i've used gatech mostly <BugeyeD> i have inexplicably lost mine ... i have 9.x and 10.10, but not 10.04 <_marx_> the duke one is argh <_marx_> don't know <holstein> i usually just keep tying til one looks like its going to DL in 8 minutes or so <holstein> which is actually not very often with the ubuntu mirrors <_marx_> hum /me happy w/18 minutes <holstein> they seem to have fast servers <holstein> usually <BugeyeD> gatech it is. for now, at least. * BugeyeD had to replace my main switch yesterday. no longer have vlan support. :( but i *do* now have connectivity, which is a definite bonus. :) * marco_polo checking out a boredcom wireless usb on lubuntu natty <jeffrash> update on my "fun" with Ubuntu 11.04 <jeffrash> wireless is working now with 43-cutter <jeffrash> can't add wine apps to the launcher favorites bar <jeffrash> I'm not liking it <jeffrash> that is all <jeffrash> :) #ubuntu-us-nc 2011-04-23 <Nivex> grr... a strike against upgrading: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/760131 <lubotu1> Launchpad bug 760131 in linux (Ubuntu) "Power consumption raised significantly in natty" [Undecided,Confirmed] #ubuntu-us-nc 2011-04-24 <_marx_> kernel level bug that affects many <Nivex> _marx_: indeed. I think I may just leave my portables at lucid for the forseeable future <Nivex> I was hoping to get some of the SMP features (ext4 and network) to help performance on my netbook, but not at the expense of battery life <_marx_> i doubt i'll upgrade my main box <_marx_> desktop box <Nivex> I upgraded my media PC and my desktop <Nivex> to maverick that is. Since they're not LTS I'll likely bring them up to natty <Nivex> though probably switching to XFCE in the process <_marx_> i'd like to try unity in a test space <Nivex> The fact that the vte Alt key bug still exists in maverick today pisses me off <_marx_> not familiar w/that <Nivex> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vte/+bug/619754 <lubotu1> Launchpad bug 619754 in vte (Ubuntu) "alt + backspace; alt+d etc. don't work anymore" [High,Fix released] <_marx_> most of my stuff is pretty junky cobbled together <_marx_> hum alt + fx works fine in 10.10 and 11.04 <_marx_> no X <Nivex> vte is the library that provides the terminal bits for (gnome|xf|lx)terminal <_marx_> ah <Nivex> so I've switched to using Konsole for the time being, but that has its own quirks which are annoying me <Nivex> I don't understand why that fix hasn't been pushed back into the main repo as a hotfix <Nivex> I shoudn't need a PPA to fix my gorram terminal emulator <_marx_> since i use those i've probably adapted w/o realizing there was a bug <_marx_> ohh gawd is my su pissed at her daughter <_marx_> we've been waiting to here when they'd be here for 36 hours; oh maybe tomorrow <_marx_> aye de me dude, she's with her new man, don't piss off mom <_marx_> especially when mom is a west by god viginia coal miners daughter <_marx_> if yall here a large explosion in the winston area tomorrow...the "kids" arrived <_marx_> oh ops! <_marx_> happy easter yall <_marx_> 5.04 to 11.04 six years of ubuntu for me <_marx_> just an end user <_marx_> JAEU, not a good acronym <_marx_> debian unstable <_marx_> between buttons on the wrong side and this unity stuff i'm liable to go back to deb and ian unstable <_marx_> but lots has happened over the last six years <_marx_> for one thing i made some nice arches over windows on a building that still hasn't sold one unit <_marx_> so that highly skilled work has no value <_marx_> ah shit, daughter is on phone w/su, not good... <_marx_> okay <_marx_> two west by god women fighting...i'll step aside <_marx_> this is a loco channel <_marx_> interesting; i had to switch to a much smaller monitor and now time display is broken on 10.10 gnome <_marx_> 12r,10 is all that shows <_marx_> no: 12r24, 10 <_marx_> opening prefs cleared it #ubuntu-us-nc 2011-04-25 <jack_> i installed 11.04 last night <jack_> its *amazing* <akgraner> jack_, I <3 it... <jack_> akgraner: there are a couple of things I would change due to personal preference, but unity has really blown me away. i wasn't expecting it to be so great <Tracy_P> Would Unity work on a netbook using the "Intel(R) Graphics Media Accelerator 500", 2 GIG of ram, Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU Z520 @ 1.33GHz? <holstein> Tracy_P: work? <holstein> theres supposed to be a 2D version as well <holstein> so in theory <holstein> unity runs on anything <holstein> but that should be plenty <Tracy_P> I've seen talk about this, I thought I might have a alexanderlisa@example.com. <holstein> i had it running live on my netbook of similar specs <Tracy_P> That's what I was thinking about doing first. <Tracy_P> Put it on a 1gig SSD and bring it up. <holstein> it is still beta <holstein> although, its mostly stable now <akgraner> if you graphics card won't support it - then it will automatically install the classic desktop <akgraner> s/you/your <holstein> akgraner: classic? or the 2d unity? <holstein> intel is usually very well supported <akgraner> From what I've seen it just falls back to the classic desktop - as people told me "he it looks the same" <holstein> hmmm <holstein> thats too bad <akgraner> I have intel graphics here and it works just fine <holstein> maybe the 2d unity is still on the way <holstein> or scraped <akgraner> it's there <holstein> interesting <holstein> you would think it would fall back to that <akgraner> one sec I'll get the right answer for you <akgraner> classic desktop <holstein> and thats the proper functionality? <akgraner> the 2d version has to be specifically installed <holstein> interesting call <akgraner> yep that's the way it is for this cycle...not sure what's planned for 11.11 but for this release that's the plan for now <holstein> well, *if* gnome gets yanked like its supposed to <akgraner> what do you mean <holstein> they'll either have to have the 2d one in there too <akgraner> unity is a shell for GNOME it's just not GNOME shell <holstein> but, gnome is not going to be in 11.10 <holstein> or thats the plan at least* <akgraner> there is a PPA available for GNOME 3 if people what to use it now... <akgraner> ahhh <holstein> no classic desktop by then <akgraner> nods <akgraner> wasn't sure where you were going <holstein> SO, unity will need to revert to the 2d unity <holstein> OR just not support old and tricky hardware <akgraner> yep for 11.11 <holstein> we are planning on moving ubuntustudio to XFCE <holstein> i think im going to look at going that route too <holstein> or go back to fluxbox :) <akgraner> GNOME Isn't going awaay <akgraner> away <akgraner> we will still be using GNOME <holstein> well, i dont like gnome3 worse i think <akgraner> but GNOME has moved to GNOME 3 so the support for the classic desktop won't be supported upstream iirc <holstein> i'll wail til natty is final <holstein> and install it on something <holstein> give unity a proper look <akgraner> holstein, I'll get the correct answer on the classic desktop support in 11.10... <akgraner> but GNOME is not going away...:-) <holstein> yeah <holstein> it'll stay in the repos <holstein> but it *should* become gnome3 at some point <akgraner> I dunno if that will happen either...:-/ <holstein> maybe someone in cannonical will maintain that older branch of gnome <holstein> im sure some community support will be around for it <holstein> at least for a while <holstein> to be honest <holstein> i really just tolerate the current gnome <akgraner> I think they want to keep the look and feel of the desktops the same - and for theis release I don't think Unity 2d is completely ready <akgraner> so for this release we'll have the classic desktop available <holstein> on some level, i appreciate the push for 3d <holstein> thats really the only way we can get to that next level <holstein> with modern UI's <holstein> but, i can empathize with folks with older hardware <holstein> or just that random via chip like i have <Nivex> and most of the 3D drivers are non-Free :/ <holstein> still, i dont think that should necessarily be a view point of cannonical <holstein> if they want to push things a bit <holstein> and put out something modern <holstein> thats a good way to do it <holstein> just require 3D <akgraner> I dunno I can't speak for what Canonical does or doesn't do... <akgraner> but look at the the push from GNOME for an new UI - it's not just Ubuntu <holstein> well, im just talking down both sides... <holstein> yeah, gnome3 has been a long time in the making <Nivex> any update on the power management regression? That's a showstopper for me upgrading my laptop and notebook <akgraner> Nivex, I have't heard anything about that <holstein> Nivex: is there a bug# ? <holstein> that sounds bad :/ <Nivex> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/760131 <lubotu1> Launchpad bug 760131 in linux (Ubuntu) "Power consumption raised significantly in natty" [Undecided,Confirmed] <Nivex> mmm bisecting :) <holstein> too bad <holstein> that was one argument for moving to natty <holstein> i just assumed i would get better power management <akgraner> doesn't Fedora have the same issue though? Don't know just asking? <Nivex> holstein: one does generally assume improvement. pesky regressions <holstein> akgraner: i guess if its kernel related <holstein> they should <akgraner> so it looks like it's an upstream kernel bug and they are looking into it - pgraner is going to comment in the bug about it as that is all I know about it... <holstein> yeah, they'll sort it out <holstein> i installed lucid on this netbook <holstein> wifi and sound were broken <Nivex> akgraner: sweet, will be good to hear it from the authority :) <holstein> in plugged it in to the router <holstein> upgraded <holstein> got a kernel update and everything worked :) <akgraner> hehe <akgraner> yeah as I am certainly not the authority on any of that (much less anything else) ;-P <holstein> i dont know, i think you should scrap the NT from your NTEU title :) * BugeyeD likes the natty b2 installer. being multi-threaded is nice, where i can answer required questions while the software is being installed. <BugeyeD> may not be new for this release, but it's the first time i've noticed. <BugeyeD> of course, i usually go for the curses installer and did not this time - could be a very old feature i suppose <holstein> the installer is looking great <holstein> i dont like the way the GRUB set up is assumed these days <holstein> but it looks awesome <Nivex> what is the ATI equivalent to the nvidia-settings package? <holstein> i dont think there is one <internalkernel> Im still on the fence with the unity interface... but I do like it better than the classic gnome. <internalkernel> I considered for a small moment moving to Mint Debian... <Tracy_P> You mention Unity is still in Beta? http://www.ubuntu.com/netbook <Tracy_P> Internet here isn't fast enough to be nice to the others that need it for work. So it will wait until I get home. <bac> Tracy_P: the next release of ubuntu (11.04) is in beta until thursday. unity did appear in the netbook version for 10.10. <Tracy_P> Thanks for the clarification <jack_> im using an old ass laptop (like 4 years old heh) and it runs unity out of the box <jack_> with an intel graphics card <holstein> yeah, intel is usually a pretty easy time #ubuntu-us-nc 2011-04-26 <Nivex> billfarrow: aww, I was hopin' to see you on Thursday <billfarrow> Nivex: I'll be there <Nivex> billfarrow: ah, your RSVP on http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/906/detail/ is No <billfarrow> Nivex: just a small problem with the way user id's are linked, I have corrected the attendance status now. <Nivex> \o/ <holstein> yeah, i wish i could make it out there #ubuntu-us-nc 2011-04-27 * BugeyeD starting to really like tmux as a replacement for gnu-screen <Nivex> I've started playing with it at home <Nivex> it's a slight paradigm shift <Nivex> of course I started messing with panes pretty quickly <Nivex> I imagine if I just did a 1:1 feature map with screen it would probably just be a matter of relearning/rebinding keys <Nivex> it would be interesting if Ubuntu could port its byobu stuff over to tmux <Nivex> since tmux was designed to be more scriptable, and is being more actively maintained <Nivex> coxn: ^^^ <coxn> Nivex: noted <coxn> yeah I'm pretty wedded (sp?) to byobu <coxn> and the traditional screen keybindings <coxn> if the byobu folks (person?) migrate, I definitely will go along <Nivex> I've not worked with byobu, so I wouldn't miss the "pretty" bits. There are some keybinding changes I need to make <Nivex> which is essentially one of the first things I do in mutt. To this day I'm still using PINE keybindings :) <BugeyeD> byobu? unfamiliar with that ... probably know what it is, just don't recognize the name. <Nivex> it's ubuntu's prettification of screen. https://launchpad.net/byobu (interestingly the first Google hit ahead of the wikipedia definition) <BugeyeD> oh, i recognize that. just not the name. #ubuntu-us-nc 2011-04-28 <Nivex> I apologize in advance: I'm probably going to be nerding out on space stuff tomorrow night at the party. Shuttle launch is Friday afternoon <BugeyeD> Nivex: if i could attend, i'd be nerding out with you. <BugeyeD> anyone here been aboard the narwhal? <BugeyeD> other than myself, of course? :) <Nivex> the space tweep parties have already begun :D <Nivex> to whomever set up the LoCo event at http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/906/detail/ <Nivex> it says 1900UTC. ITYM 1900 EDT <BugeyeD> i can't think of anything wrong with a 2pm party ... <BugeyeD> _especially_ if there's beer involved and i should be at work <akgraner> Its EDT <akgraner> I just can't figure out how to change it in the LoCo Directory <mhall119> akgraner: in LD, an event's timezone is based on the venue's timezone <akgraner> well I registered it <akgraner> and somehow it's UTC <akgraner> I don't have time to fix it right now <akgraner> working on an article <akgraner> :-) <mhall119> I'll fix it for you <akgraner> Thanks! <bac> akgraner: when do you get to town? <akgraner> about 6 <mhall119> done, 1900 EDT <akgraner> Becca has a doctors appt this morning <akgraner> so we'll leave after that <akgraner> and I have a couple articles I need to post <akgraner> release announcement went out earlier than ever today so IU'm scrambling <Nivex> dayum. ubuntu.com has 11.04 on the page already. It's not usually up until much later in the day. <Italian_Plumber> And people the world over are wondering how to pronounce "Narwhal". <Italian_Plumber> and I'm wondering how to pronounce "Oneiric" <Italian_Plumber> I prefer "squeeze" so much better. <Nivex> is it your main squeeze? :) <Italian_Plumber> I think they could at least choose animals people have heard of <Nivex> where's the fun in that? Ubuntu is useful *and* educational! * Nivex is trying to find a mirror that actually answers with current xubuntu zsync file <Nivex> err jigdo file <Italian_Plumber> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Salvador_Dali_NYWTS.jpg <Nivex> phew, got the file from cdimage.u.c. now I just gotta get the .template and I can hand over to the local mirror <Nivex> \o/ <Nivex> I wonder how much disk space it takes to mirror an entire release <Nivex> ah here we are: 66,554,451,321 bytes for lucid <Italian_Plumber> not too bad <Nivex> interesting. the 11.04 desktop CD I just tried doesn't have the menu bars detached from the windows <Nivex> in the legacy GNOME mode <holstein> Nivex: :/ <akgraner> hey
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