#kubuntu-devel 2005-04-01 * Beineri has committed some UI fixes to knetworkconfig... * Beineri also made a patch against Konserve to fix the worst UI problems - now whom to send? :-) <Beineri> anyway, http://ktown.kde.org/~binner/konserve.diff.bz2 <sabdfl> Beineri: Riddell would be the best person to send them to <haggai> Beineri: great! Can you attach the patch to a bug report? <Beineri> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20050321#new <Beineri> "* Build openoffice.org-kde again." :-) <dholbach> hi <dholbach> i'm trying to figure out, why kdelibs4-dev on ia64 pulls in -lXinerama_pic <dholbach> can anyone help me with it? <dholbach> this is the problematic case: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/l/lineak-xosdplugin/1:0.8.3-1/lineak-xosdplugin_1:0.8.3-1_20050321-0911-ia64-failed * haggai pulls log <dholbach> it's about "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXinerama_pic" <haggai> dholbach: there's a debian patch in kdelibs that we have to pull out for kubuntu <haggai> dholbach: did you already trace it to kdelibs4-dev or is it a guess? <dholbach> haggai: mkedwards did <haggai> is that a nick? * dholbach points over to #ubuntu-motu <dholbach> haggai: yes... he's in here as well <dholbach> haggai: what do i have to do make it work on ia64? <mkedwards> Does ia64 need -fPIC? <mkedwards> dholbach: that "Disable Xinerama_pic hack" change needs to be backported to Ubuntu's qt-x11-free. <dholbach> mkedwards: we're discussing it in the right channel, but i'm not the one who could fix it :-) <haggai> dholbach: because of technical questions or upload rights? <dholbach> both <haggai> :) <dholbach> :-) <dholbach> and i would never imagine to upload qt :-) <dholbach> and be whipped around the channels by you folks :-) <haggai> oooh yesss verwy dangerous here... here be dragons... <haggai> (shh don't tell anyone they're cute) <dholbach> yeah... ;-) <haggai> so the problem is in qt itself? * haggai downloads source * dholbach cannot comment on that <mkedwards> haggai: need to diff debian 3:3.2.3-3 against 3:3.2.3-2 <haggai> mkedwards: thanks <ttf> Qerub: can you tell me why gtk2-engines-gtk-qt is not in main? <Qerub> ttf: i'm the debian package maintainer of it, nothing more. <Qerub> ttf: ask amu or Riddell... <ttf> Qerub: k - thanks <dholbach> see you later <haggai> Riddell / amu: HoaryPreviewKnownProblems: Has anything been fixed or are all these problems still open? How about we open bug reports for them and add the bugno next to each item in the list? <haggai> ttf can file the bugs for us <haggai> I think otherwise we'll loose track of what still needs doing <Burgundavia> is there a kde equiv to gksu? <Riddell> haggai: nothing has been fixed although some arn't real problems and some arn't our problem and so forth, but good idea to put them into bugzilla <amu> haggai: working on them, just "fixed" the imap problems in kdepim <amu> haggai: Riddell isnt it possible to to find a way to communicate in a better way? <Riddell> we need an action plan <apokryphos> Burgundavia: you should be asking in #kubuntu :). kdesu. <Burgundavia> apokryphos: I am looking to change the deps on qtparted right now <amu> ex. i looked into python-kde, and ask ogra about some help, he told me you ( jr ) still working on it <Riddell> amu: I'm not activly working on it, it's on my todo list but I'd be happy if someone else did it first <Burgundavia> apokryphos: I am rebuilding as the current one is uninstallable, and am looking at fixing things <amu> Riddell: haggai isnt it possible we use bugzilla for it? <Burgundavia> apokryphos: does it do kdesudo? <Riddell> amu: for all our to do things? and assign each entry to whoever it doing it? <Beineri> Shouldn't there be a openoffice.org-kde_1.1.3-7.8ubuntu1_i386.deb next to the gtk one now? :-| <amu> Riddell: yep <haggai> amu: tht's what I meant by 'How about we open bug reports for them' <haggai> Beineri: it needed changes to the package <amu> Riddell: haggai i force to users on #kubuntu to report their probs to bugzilla <Beineri> haggai: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hoary-changes/2005-March/003873.html says "Build openoffice.org-kde again" <apokryphos> (amu: do you prefer that?) <Beineri> haggai: and there was a *-successful build log. <amu> 21:28 < billytwowilly> any idea when python-kde3 will be updated? <haggai> Beineri: ah right, in that case it needs elmo love <amu> apokryphos: sorry? * Beineri didn't download the 50MB log though <apokryphos> amu: do you prefer that we report our woes on bugzilla? <apokryphos> (essentially dependency issues/broken-packages etc.) <amu> apokryphos: yes, it's easier to follow, who's working on it, you see the status about an bug ... <haggai> amu: if you actually work on a bug then accept it. I'll reassign to myself if I start on one <apokryphos> Alright; I'll put one in about kde-devel; I see you're already working on the PyKDE one... <haggai> ttf: can you make issues for KubuntuPreviewKnownProblems items please? <haggai> uh, bugs. They're issues on OOo :) <amu> apokryphos: yep, i fixed the depends and run a testbuild, got some error's and ask agra for help, than he told me someone other was working before on it. That's very frustationg and wasted time. <apokryphos> amu: sorry to hear that :(. It's down to libkcal2 as far as I can see. So, what do you reckon, no bug report? <amu> apokryphos: no a bugreport is fine, it doesnt matter about what, better 1 useless bugreport as some 1h lost time <Riddell> amu, haggai: for your information my current to do list is topped with putting the website in a baz repository so that other people can look after it, then sorting out the kde 3.4 modules that arn't done yet then all the other things <haggai> Riddell: great thanks. <mdz> Riddell: are you able to migrate it to the server we provided as well? <Riddell> mdz: did that last week <mdz> Riddell: oh, good <mdz> and k.ubuntu.com is live as well, I see <Riddell> means I didn't get to test my servers against a slashdotting, but on the other hand it also means kubuntu didn't make me go over a monthly bandwidth quota again <Riddell> no movement on kubuntu.org yet <mdz> I have pinged <Beineri> Riddell: no slashdotting? there was a slashdot story <mdz> Beineri: he moved the site first <ttf> haggai: yup - working on it <Riddell> Beineri: slashdot story was after I moved the website from my server to ubuntu server <mdz> when would be a good day to hold a Kubuntu development meeting? <Riddell> mdz: covering what? <mdz> amu,Riddell,haggai: ? <haggai> yup <mdz> Riddell: status review, milestones for the remainder of the release cycle <amu> yep? <mdz> sometime this week <mdz> tuesday is a CC meeting, thursday I have another meeting <mdz> wednesday or friday? <amu> let's have Thu. a milestone-meeting? <haggai> I can't do Friday <Riddell> wednesday is good for me (as indeed is any day other than tomorrow) <amu> wed. is also fine for me <haggai> wed is ok too <Riddell> now we just need a time :) <mdz> anytime after about 1700 UTC is good for me <Riddell> how about 17:00 GMT? <haggai> at 1700 I have people coming to view our house. My preference would be sometime between 19-2200, but I can make from 1730 if that fits better with everyone else <Riddell> I have no preference <mdz> 1900 is fine <mdz> amu? <amu> ack, doesnt matter for which time or date, i'm allways on ;) <haggai> ttf: can you be around then too? <ttf> yup - there <mdz> ok, 1900 UTC, Wednesday 23 March <mdz> see you there <mdz> haggai: selling your house? <haggai> mdz: I wish :-/ Our landlord is selling our house :( <haggai> mdz: we wanted to stay here until we found somewhere to buy, but now we have to move in mid April <mdz> ugh <Riddell> haggai: I have a room free in my (rented) house, move in with us <haggai> mdz: thanksfully its been put a week back so it won't interfere too much with the kubuntu release #kubuntu-devel 2005-04-02 <Riddell> dates for your diaries people http://dot.kde.org/1111445162/ <Riddell> Saturday 27th of August to Sunday 4th of September <Riddell> also akademy call for papers, just incase anyone has anything interesting to talk about <haggai> Riddell: re your kde 3.4 work you said you would do earlier after the website - please update your status when you start stuff, not when you finish. Amu said he ended up duplicating some of your work before he realised you had done something <haggai> Riddell: also, lets try and assign a bug to ourselves when we start work on it <Riddell> haggai: good plan <haggai> thanks <amu> haggai: .. in addtion apokryphos will help with bugtracking <Riddell> woo, go apokaway <amu> haggai: you should tell Riddell about our telefon-meeting ... another thing was, checking the kde-braches commits, meanwhile there are a lot of, some of them will fix our bugs <Riddell> another good idea <haggai> amu: hey tell him yourself :P <amu> haggai: hahahaah :) you're the boss <haggai> amu: ok. as boss I tell you to tell him muahahaaa <haggai> Riddell: I suggested we document how to pull those changes in from the branch so we all do it the same way <amu> haggai: i'll explain apokaway tomorrow about his new job <amu> Kamion: looks like the kubuntu-dvd's need your love <amu> setup of kubuntu.de ; done <Kamion> amu: they needed me to, er, run "crontab ~/cdimage/etc/crontab", d'oh <Kamion> amu: running by hand now <amu> Kamion: i'm also able to run it by hand? <Kamion> amu: no <Kamion> you don't have an account on little ... <amu> Kamion: what's about, define a amu-login which exec the crontab? <Kamion> amu: you'll have to talk to elmo about that; but is it so hard to go through me or mdz? we cover most timezones between us <haggai> arrgh it seems there are no rsyncable servers that have kubuntu images <elmo> mirnyy's load's almost back under control <elmo> and if it's super urgent you can use auckland.w.h.c, but don't expect that to work for much longer <haggai> @ERROR: max connections (15) reached - try again later <haggai> time to wget overnight I guess <elmo> try mirnyy again? it's load is 1/50th of what it was? <amu> Kamion: if you are all time 24/7/365 up there's no problem, i just think to eastern, ex. sat. 14.00 or sunday afternoon :) <haggai> elmo: ah cool mirnyy's working thanks <Kamion> amu: it's rare that one of us isn't around with some fairly small lag - and at the moment I'm leery of too many more people kicking off CD builds, 'cos there's no locking yet and it can get a bit hairy <Kamion> daniels also has access at the moment but that was kind of a temporary thing for an emergency <elmo> err, which is over now right? <mdz> yes <amu> Kamion: sound good <elmo> Kamion: ITYM had ;) <amu> ... i could ask him also ... <Kamion> elmo: heh :) <Kamion> amu: long-term hopefully derivative distributions will be able to kick off their own CD builds via Launchpad; it's just all a somewhat-privileged operation at the moment <mkedwards> Kamion: privilege issues, or just risk of overloading server? <amu> Kamion: cool, it was a thought, what will happen if there's noone there who could run an isobuild, but sounds good, if we have all time someone available <Kamion> mkedwards: bit of both, not so much overloading as hideous confusion when two people try to run a build for the same project at once <amu> mdz: is there any chance pump the crypto part also into main? <mkedwards> Kamion: I'd like to be able to build a CD with a slightly modified casper. I'd be willing to do the poor-man's-remaster of the cloop, but the stuff outside cloop is still kind of mysterious. It's the cloop that costs resources, yes? <mdz> amu: the crypto part of what? <Kamion> mkedwards: what kind of resources? <amu> mdz: kdepim <mdz> mkedwards: all you need to do is regenerate Packages and Release after swapping in new udebs <mdz> amu: meaning gnupg2? <Kamion> mkedwards: if you're just modifying casper, it's easiest to drop in a new .deb, hack Packages/Packages.gz, update Release, rm Release.gpg, hope you got it all right <amu> mdz: yep <mkedwards> Kamion: server load <mdz> mkedwards: if you only want to modify casper, there's no need to change the cloop <mdz> amu: if pitti is willing to support it, yes <mkedwards> mdz, Kamion: can I set up debarchiver or something like that to generate Packages and Release? <mkedwards> mdz: cloop changes are to add some packages <mkedwards> mdz: autobuilder / application demo LiveDVD <Kamion> mkedwards: er, as I said server load is pretty irrelevant to what I was talking about <Kamion> mkedwards: absolutely no idea, we do it with debian-cd <Kamion> mkedwards: I'm sure you could, I just can't help you :) <mdz> mkedwards: the simplest way to regenerate them is to use apt-ftparchive <mdz> I can send you the trivial script <amu> mdz: i'll ask him <mkedwards> mdz: that would be a kindness. :) <mdz> mkedwards: address? <mkedwards> rodriguezcrystal@example.org <ttf> Riddell: the anti-aliasing issue - would you say it's a kubuntu-defaults or a kdebase bug? <amu> Riddell: haggai: did you saw Klik <mdz> mkedwards: sent. so after removing the old udebs and replacing them with new ones, running the script should put the CD back into a consistent state <mdz> mkedwards: I think you might need to rm Release.gpg now; I haven't used it since Kamion added support for that <amu> ttf: probably a X bug, X should detect which kind of display is used <amu> mdz: did you saw http://klik.atekon.de/ <mdz> amu: no <amu> mdz: something like linspire's 1 click installation <Kamion> one-click installation is bad crack <mdz> amu: yes, indeed <mdz> Kamion: it's really not; it's on my list for UDU <mdz> Kamion: click on magic file -> launch synaptic and install the (authenticated) package normally <Kamion> well, I hope you intend to reopen things like all the keyboard-chooser bugs :P <Kamion> when we tried to not ask that question <Kamion> oh, you mean one-click .deb installation? <mdz> Kamion: we are talking about two different things <Kamion> ok, totally different :) <Kamion> good :) <amu> Kamion: ;) imho very usefull, ex. for my Dad/Mom <mvo> amu: I added something to the wiki about the klik stuff <mvo> we can emulate it fairly easily with a script and current synaptic <mvo> but we need to assume a valid sources.list file and a up-to-date cache <amu> mvo: overcool <Kamion> amu: yeah, I think it's a good idea now that I don't think you mean system installation <amu> mvo: should be easy, compare timestamps before installing them <mvo> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PackageManagement <amu> Kamion: nope ;) just deb's <mvo> there is a script for firefox there <mvo> mdz: what goals/ideas do you have exactly for the "install-via-web"? <mdz> ttf: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8029 ? <mdz> mvo: to be able to use web-based package browsers to select software for installation <mdz> mvo: such as, say, soyuz ;-) <mdz> amu: who is packaging kde-i18n? <mvo> mdz: web-based installs gives us all this nice formating and screenshots and background information data (links to FAQs, homepage, even translated descriptions by default *yummy*). it has great potential :) to what extend to we want to support it? download debs, checks there dependencies and download more of them from the same web-based source? cheat like we can do now with klik? something in between? <mdz> mvo: we can handle it gracefully if the package is not available wit hsources.list <mdz> mvo: I do not think we should download the .debs from the same place, but use the existing sources.list authenticated mechanism <mdz> mvo: (well, not for this feature) <mdz> we have also discussed a metafile which makes it easy to add an entry to sources.list <mdz> but that is a secondary feature; we should focus on access to the software in Ubuntu <amu> mdz: it's on ttf's task <ttf> mdz: is reported on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuPreviewKnownProblems <mvo> mdz: have you seen the script for firefox on the PackageManagment wiki-page? we could add before hoary :) <mvo> (not using klik but klack or something else for the url) <mdz> ttf: there is not enough information in that bug report to do any diagnosis or repair <ttf> mdz: don't know exactly what is meant with it either - thought that somebody (Riddell, amu, etc) put it up there and they would know how to fix what exactly :) <mdz> ttf: please don't file incomplete reports like that; it only creates more work for me <ttf> k - thought it would help people to see that the problem has already been reported <mdz> ttf: it only helps if the bug report actually describes the problem; otherwise it is only noise <ttf> Riddell, amu, haggai: do you know more about the "X colour palette is broken on the live CD" issue on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuPreviewKnownProblems? <ttf> mdz: true <amu> ttf: it's also broken on my brand-new ppc, it looks fine after restarting kdm, we speak about it a week ago <ttf> ah - remember something <amu> there was a wrong value in the color settings ... <amu> n8 all <Burgundavia> anybody here? <haggai> yup <Burgundavia> <Burgundavia> asking about kdesu <Burgundavia> <Burgundavia> I am looking to change the deps for qtparted to this by default, instead of gksudo <Burgundavia> <Burgundavia> I fired up kdesu, and it asked for my root password, but accepted mine <Burgundavia> <Burgundavia> has it been hacked to be sudo? <Burgundavia> I asked that just before the netsplit <haggai> ah I didn't see that <Burgundavia> hmm <haggai> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7327 <haggai> yes its been hacked to use sudo <Burgundavia> ok, just checking <Burgundavia> so it is safe to change the dep to kdesu? (actually kdebase-bin) <haggai> uuh, kdebase-bin has a gksudo deb? <haggai> dep <Burgundavia> no <Burgundavia> kdebase-bin provides the file kdesu <haggai> ah right <Burgundavia> you running amd64? <haggai> hmm I see <haggai> gksu | kdebase-bin | sux <haggai> well, they are <haggai> they are |ed together to you don't need to change anything <Burgundavia> am going to cleanup to just kdebase-bin and change .desktop to kdesu from gksudo <haggai> ah yes, that would be better <haggai> hmm might be an idea to actually move qtparted to main too <Burgundavia> is gparted main? <Burgundavia> gparted is currently universe <ttf> somebody has complained that bibletime has got it's K-menu entry in lost+found. the package is in universe. will we fix this and get the package into main for hoary or will it be done only for the next release? <Kamion> it can be fixed without having to migrate to main <haggai> amu: a fix for you? <haggai> 10:26 < CIA-10> lukas KDE_3_4_BRANCH * kdebase/l10n/tr/entry.desktop: <haggai> 10:26 < CIA-10> Turkey changed its monetary symbol <haggai> amu: better make sure ttf has the branch updates ;) <amu> haggai: heh * Beineri tried openoffice.org-kde today: I simulates the Qt style but doesn't use KDE icons and the KDE file dialog :-| <haggai> Beineri: file bug reports please, both of those problems should not be there * Beineri wonders if it only happens to him :-) <haggai> Beineri: no, the first one is probably because the patch was taken from Debian (which is non UTF8 and therefore needs the OOo dialogs), and the icons, well I'm not sure <ttf> there's 3 possibilities to reach "Trash" in an easy way: panel applet, desktop icon and click on "System" icon in the panel and then on Trash - I think this is too much - would remove 1-2 <ttf> preferably the panel applet and then the one from the "system" icon (if this is done easy) <amu> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8028 * haggai subscribed Riddell, amu & ttf to kubuntu-bugs and activated the list <apokryphos> amu: re: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7880; I wasn't the one that reported that, btw. :) <apokryphos> me = Francis Giannaros <haggai> ttf: that X colour pallete thing, I still see it on current live CD <ttf> haggai: you mean you also get this bug on a live CD on i386? <haggai> ttf: yes <haggai> I'll make a screenshot <haggai> arrgh, network interface is dead * haggai finds bugreport to reopen <ttf> haggai: #8029 - it's still open <haggai> ttf: thanks <haggai> ttf: I was talking about reopening #5228 <elmo> haggai/riddell/amu: kubuntu.org is now working, fwiw <haggai> elmo: ooh thanks! <amu> elmo: ping, could you please move gnupg2 into main, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8028 <elmo> amu: err, seed it? <elmo> and/or make something {build-,}depend on it <amu> thx, {build-,}depend <haggai> Riddell: ping? how's the website going? <amu> sync * haggai syncs himself <amu> hehe, i should definitiv change the window behavioirs <mdz> what are your plans for all of these kubuntu bugs you are filing? most of them are not assigned to anyone <haggai> mdz: to fix them? :) I filed them to make sure they don't get forgotten <mdz> haggai: in my experience, bugs which are filed and not assigned are lost in the swamp <haggai> mdz: my KDE query brings them all up <haggai> mdz: I agree once that gets over more than a page that method might not be so good <amu> haggai: Riddell you know how submit the bugfixes from kde-cvs 3-4-BRANCH ? <mdz> is someone addressing the "CPU overload" problem with arts? <haggai> mdz: no. You saw my message about how the installer broke my lvm... I was trying to do a fresh install to reproduce it <haggai> amu: ? to do what? <Kamion> haggai: lvm10 or lvm2? <Kamion> haggai: never mind, presumably lvm2 <elmo> hey, can we not have two versions of lvm in breezy? <Kamion> haggai: actually it would be interesting to know if that was once an lvm10 volume? <Riddell> haggai: website is my target for tonight <Riddell> amu: which bugfixes? <Kamion> lvm2 says that by default it uses the second sector, and it scans the first four looking for the label <mdz> elmo: hmm, good point <mdz> elmo: we shouldn't even have had lvm10 in Warty, after we decided to drop 2.4 <mdz> Kamion: fancy a debootstrap change? <elmo> hey, can we not have two versions of lvm in hoary? <elmo> ;-) <mdz> I don't think it costs us much to wait for breezy, but i'm not unopposably against doing it for hoary <Kamion> can lvm2 deal with existing lvm10 volumes? I thought the reason they were able to coexist on the system was that it couldn't <Kamion> and the reason for that cunning lvmiopversion thing <mdz> Kamion: both lvm2 and evms can deal with existing lvm10 volumes <mdz> afaik <mdz> the lvmiopversion thing is due to the differing kernel APIs <amu> Riddell: the KDE_3_4_BRANCH commits into kde-cvs <Riddell> amu: do a cvs diff from 3_4_RELEASE to BRANCH and add the patch to debian/patches <haggai> Kamion: it was once an lvm10 volume <haggai> Riddell: my point for the diffing is to document the commands so we all do it the same way, reproducibly <Riddell> haggai: we should have a script in our baz archive for doing it <haggai> Riddell: yes I think that would be a good idea <Riddell> I should work out how to set up the baz archive first <amu> elmo: E: Couldn't find package gpgsm <elmo> amu: feature, don't worry about it, it'll come in eventually <amu> elmo: ^k <amu> yep that's what i meat, putting the diff's into debian/patches <amu> Riddell: ^^ <lytefyre> anyone know how to boot off external usb hdd , ive got the kubuntu preview <lytefyre> anyone have a pivot_root error while booting ? <haggai> amu: where is your baz archive with the seeds? <Kamion> haggai: it's not his archive :) <haggai> Kamion: ah ok so I was looking at the master not a mirror <Kamion> haggai: http://rodriguezcrystal@example.org <haggai> yup, was looking there thanks <Kamion> that is a mirror, but the master is only accessible by sftp to chinstrap <haggai> ah so it was a mirror :) <haggai> how difficult would it be to move it to our kubuntu dev machine? <haggai> I don't mind either way - I can ask amu to pull my changes if that's what folks prefer <Kamion> I guess it's possible; I do think those Ubuntu people who've committed to it so far should be able to continue committing to it <Kamion> merging branches ought to be possible too <haggai> oh I thought that was only amu, haven't been reading the logs <Kamion> no, at least mdz and I have done that too <Kamion> I set it up, both mdz and I have done merges <haggai> ah right makes it not so simple then <Kamion> and I did some germinate admin bits <Kamion> although I could have asked you guys to merge that <amu> haggai: the easier way would be an baz on my buildd <haggai> amu: ? we can use <haggai> novolazarevskaya * haggai wonders where that name came from <Kamion> haggai: Antarctic station (naming scheme) <haggai> Kamion: ah, pity it has such a long name <Kamion> er, yeah :) <haggai> oh, ssh kubuntu.org works :) <Kamion> you know where ~/.ssh/config is, too ;) <haggai> yeah I already did that :) <Kamion> Host novothingy <Kamion> HostName novolazarevskaya.ubuntu.com <Kamion> ;) <amu> if it runs on novoblah, how it would be possible ex. for kamion to sync them <elmo> amu: you have a buildd? <Kamion> shrug, I'd either have an account, or it'd be http-accessible from rookery <Kamion> somewhere inside the LAN would certainly be optimal <elmo> kamion: novo's very much not in the LAN <Kamion> oh, it's not? .ubuntu.com fooled me <Kamion> ultimately seeds will live in launchpad, but I wouldn't hold your breath just yet <amu> elmo: a small sized one *g* <elmo> well, hopefully less soon than ultimately, there'll be a open to all ubunties people style machine where you can run the baz <elmo> until then, I'm happy to create accounts for kamion and whichever other folk might need them on novo <elmo> amu: ok, but you know there's a chroot on novo, right? <elmo> amu: kdepim encrypt pulled in a whole bunch more than just gnupg <elmo> I'm bouncing it back to pitti for review of the new stuff <elmo> haggai: novolazarevskaya means approx. "new miami beach" in russian <Kamion> elmo,amu: ok, how about we coordinate moving the archive tomorrow <elmo> </random> <amu> elmo: no i dont know, started to cluster my buildd, buildspeed is good. <elmo> heh, unless you have expensive taste, i reckon novo will out build anything you have at home <amu> elmo: gnupg2, if it's too difficult and timeintensive atm, i can easily remove it again. It would be nice, if the kdeusers could also crypt/encrypt their mails. It's just for a better useability. Showing them an FAQ isnt such a good way. #kubuntu-devel 2005-04-03 <lytefyre> anyone have a pivot_root problem while booting ?? <lytefyre> or dev/console not being found with kernel panic ? <Kamion> that usually indicates that the initrd can't figure out how to mount your root filesystem <Kamion> please file a bug against initrd-tools with all the information about your hardware that you can find; if you can boot the live CD, getting 'lspci' and 'lspci -n' output from that would be useful <lytefyre> im booting it off an usb external hard drive <Kamion> oh, god knows what it'll make of that <Kamion> file a bug, probably not supported yet <Kamion> but it would be good to fix that <lytefyre> installation went off fine , installed grub on MBR too, darn thing hangs with the above error ! <lytefyre> check http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-8050.html,seens like it has something to do with bugs 496 and 3363 * haggai goes to bed <amu> n8 haggai <elmo> amu/haggai/riddell: ? <amu> moin <haggai> morning <haggai> elmo: what's up? <haggai> Riddell: ping <amu> haggai: i'll remove crypto for kdepim, that fun keeps me too busy, removing it, readding, than removing it again .. that sucks a bit <Kamion> why remove again? * haggai rolls up sleeves and gets stuck into recovering his lvm partition <haggai> Kamion: you don't need any more info before I start? <haggai> Kamion: FYI pvscan says it is lvm2 <haggai> now that I have recreated it <haggai> root@shawn:~ # pvcreate --uuid i7nrBb-JFYo-6idl-o744-306M-XyrY-Wqh9c9 --restorefile /etc/lvm-vg0-backup /dev/hda7 <haggai> Couldn't find device with uuid 'i7nrBb-JFYo-6idl-o744-306M-XyrY-Wqh9c9'. <haggai> Physical volume "/dev/hda7" successfully created <haggai> root@shawn:~ # pvscan <haggai> PV /dev/hda7 lvm2 [61.73 GB] <haggai> Total: 1 [61.73 GB] / in use: 0 [0 ] / in no VG: 1 [61.73 GB] <Kamion> haggai: certainly now that you've recreated it, it will <Kamion> haggai: LVM1 labels go in the first sector; LVM2 labels go in the second sector by default <Kamion> hence why lilo overwrites LVM1 labels <haggai> ah ok <Kamion> I don't know what else goes in the first sector <Kamion> if you can get another LVM1 physical volume to compare with, you may find that there isn't much of interest there, and you can just dd the label back in, or something - but I don't know for sure <haggai> there are tools to restore the config from text file backups which I'm trying to get working now <haggai> Kamion: surely I could have used my extended partition for lilo instead? Any idea why I didn't get that as a choice? <Kamion> lilo-installer only ever offers MBR and the target partition; it's hard-coded <Kamion> nothing magic <Kamion> in fact removing the target partition from the offered list is kind of difficult :( <Kamion> I don't really fancy trying to figure out how to offer the extended partition as well ... <haggai> I see <Riddell> haggai, elmo: pong <elmo> haggai/riddell/amu: do you know about konq-plugins being uninstallable? <Riddell> elmo: it's because kdeaddons hasn't been updated to 3.4 yet <elmo> ok - when's that scheduled for? <elmo> uninstallables in main make baby jesus cry <Riddell> elmo: as soon as possible, today or tomorrow probably <elmo> ok, cool <haggai> Riddell: hi, wanted to ask your comments about kmilo on the livecd <Riddell> haggai: well if mjg says it lets people overwrite the cmos seems it should be off by default <haggai> Riddell: ah ok I didn't realise you weren't aware of that <haggai> Riddell: so remove off the livecd by default right? <Riddell> hay I just wrote the thing :) <haggai> what, kmilo? cool I hadn't seen that :) <haggai> Riddell: also, ok with you to add knetworkconf to the installs? <Riddell> in theory it could be turned on with the live CD since that's root access anyway but I don't see that it's worth the hassle, it's the install that's the major issue <Riddell> haggai: I wrote the thinkpad part of kmilo <haggai> cool <Riddell> haggai: definatly to knetworkconf <haggai> yup and for the install we should do something more clever with the groups, like making a thinkpad group eg <Riddell> haggai: a thinkpad group sounds good, would there be an easy way to add people to it? and how to have nvram module inserted as default and how to set /dev/nvram permissions by default <haggai> yup something like that <haggai> maybe better to call the group nvram rather than thinkpad, since there may be other uses <Riddell> good plan <Riddell> so we need either a separate package or to modify kmilo so that it echo nvram >> /etc/modules; changes permissions on /dev/nvram (can that be done permanantly?) and adds your user into a new nvram group <Kamion> we talked about this for Ubuntu and concluded that it should be a dbus service, IIRC <Kamion> adding your user to the nvram group lets you do crap like modifying the BIOS password <Kamion> so a no-go <Kamion> really needs to be root-only <haggai> hmm I guess we should be looking to get pyqt into main <Riddell> haggai: I believe you volunteered for kdebindings :) <haggai> Riddell: yeah its my idle-time job :) <haggai> it is slowly creeping up the prio list <Riddell> http://jr2.quaker.eu.org/hu/index cool <Riddell> do we want to use this on the website (requires various things being set up and probably lots of hassling elmo) <Kamion> is that meant to have such a broken character set? <Riddell> no, it should be utf8 I assume <Kamion> Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 <Riddell> fixed <haggai> Riddell: what options do we have open for allowing people baz write access? any idea? <Riddell> haggai: I think it either has to be done over ssh or over webdav <Riddell> don't know which elmo would prefer <haggai> I think webdav would be less of a problem because you don't need to give full shell access out <Riddell> yep <Kamion> check that webdav write using baz actually works before you assume it does, though :) <dannya> Riddell: how come the kdevelop3 package is still broken? <Riddell> dannya: because I havn't fixed it yet <dannya> :) <dannya> ok <Riddell> think I'll give that a shot now <dannya> I really want to try out kdevelop 3.2! :) <Riddell> dato: is there packaging for kdevelop3 from KDE 3.4 anywhere I can borrow? <dato> not that I know of. I don't even know the maintainer... <Riddell> dato: Christopher Martin no? acroding to recent post on pkg-kde-talk <dato> no, Norman Jordan. Christopher only asked for a requeue to lamont, which does not need being the maintainer ;) <Riddell> ah I see <dannya> going well, Riddell? :) <haggai> hmm did we want anything from kdebindings in main? <haggai> ruby is in universe and its a builddep #kubuntu-devel 2005-04-04 <lytefyre> hi anyone know how to fix screen resolution , I have a dell latop capable of doing 1024x768 but im only getting 640x480 <zeratha> I am having some issues with kubuntu. No one in #kubuntu is very helpful, as they seem more intrested in their cars... :-( <Riddell> zeratha: I don't have a car <Riddell> what are the issues? <zeratha> All KDE based apps I install fail with a rather long, annoying error message. After installing kubuntu and logging into KDE I get this message: "Could not start process. Unable to create io-slave. Klauncher said Unknown protocol 'file'. <Riddell> zeratha: some library not talking to some other library. how did you install? <zeratha> via synaptic. <Riddell> and what did you install? <zeratha> First just K3b and the Amarok, after that I uninstalled both and tried the entire Kubuntu-desktop <zeratha> Twice now.... :-( <Riddell> from hoary? <zeratha> I really just want those to apps <zeratha> Yes <Riddell> I wonder if that's k3b doing evil permissions things <zeratha> It doesn't seem to be K3b related. I have done this on two other machines without a problem <Riddell> make sure /tmp/.kde-myuser is owned by myuser <zeratha> OK, BRB <Riddell> and /tmp/.ICE-unix is owned by root <zeratha> ok <dato> itym /tmp/kde-user <Riddell> dato: itym? <dato> "I think you mean" <Riddell> so I do <dato> (dict itym says) <zeratha> /tmp/kde-zeratha is owned by zeratha.users.... /tmp/.ICE-unix root.root..... <Riddell> tis a mistery <dato> I'd say something is screwed under ~/.kde <zeratha> Tell me about it. <zeratha> dato, I'll try renaming it and see. <zeratha> BRB, gotta log out <Riddell> new kdelibs, kdemultimedia and kdebase uploaded with various fixes to k-menu <Riddell> new konserve uploaded with patch for kmenu and layout <Riddell> new kubuntu-default-settings with anti-aliased fonts <fabbione> guys can you please fix (this time for real) kdesdk? it's 3 uploads that it FTBFS <fabbione> becuase one patch doesn't apply <fabbione> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/k/kdesdk/4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3/ <fabbione> thanks :-) <amu> moin <amu> fabbione: it's on the way <fabbione> thanks amu :-) <haggai> I thought Riddell was going back to a normal sleep pattern <elmo> amu: fixing kdepim is still on your todo list right? <amu> elmo: yep <amu> elmo: i'll fix also the last know bugs <elmo> ok, just checking <dholbach> hey <dholbach> what was the final decision towards python2.4? <dholbach> i can't remember it <haggai> that you were looking at an obsolete package? <dholbach> no... it was included more than one package - i just wanted to make sure, i could tick off everything kde-related from our lists <haggai> more than one source package? <dholbach> yes <dholbach> but i'm making sure first <dholbach> before i'm becoming a pain in the neck :-) <haggai> looks like sip-qt3 needs love <dholbach> herve is working on it <haggai> great <haggai> kdevelop has a 2.3 dep but Riddell is working on that anyway <dholbach> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePythonTransitionTODO still says: <dholbach> JonathanRiddel? <dholbach> <dholbach> kdebindings, kdevelop3, koffice -- KDE 3.4 is currently being packaged, no use transitioning 3.3 for now <dholbach> that's why i was asking <dholbach> they all contain python bits somewhere <haggai> kdebindings: that's what I'm doing right now, kdevelop: Riddell (yes Jonathan Riddell), koffice: nothing done yet <dholbach> but if you guys say WONTFIX, it's no problem and i'll chuck them from all our lists <haggai> koffice won't be a part of kubuntu main I don't think, so that's the only one that isn't getting any love at the moment <dholbach> it's just the amount of the MOTU lists grew more and more, so i want to regain control somehow :-) <dholbach> ok thanks for telling me <haggai> so where to put koffice? <haggai> is there a place for unloved packages, or should I leave next to Riddell? <haggai> I've updated the page <dholbach> unloved packages ... *sigh* it'll be a MOTU thing then <haggai> well we might find time but I don't want to hold things up by saying we will and then not doing it <dholbach> right <dholbach> and maybe we'll have MotuKdeEnthusiasts-Team soon <dholbach> we should encourage those kinds of teams pretty much <haggai> right <dholbach> ok... back to UniverseDoesNotBuild <haggai> thanks for your help <dholbach> it's a pleasure :-) <amu> 11:34 < pitti> amu, Riddell: did I already forward you the long-outstanding TIFF vulns in <amu> kdegraphics? <Riddell> amu: I don't think he did firward the long-outstanding TIFF vulns <Riddell> can anyone work out what has caused these failures? http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/k/kdelibs/4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3/ <Riddell> kdeaccessiblity is in, I'll bump up the version number <amu> Riddell: probably a missing Doxyfile.am /arts is missing ? <Riddell> amu: but why would it build on the other architectures? <Riddell> amu: and what's wrong with powerpc, that's a different error <Riddell> amu: are you doing kdeaddons? you need to take back 8038 if you are <amu> Riddell: that looks strange, right <amu> yep i do, already fixed it <Riddell> amu: what looks strange? fixed what? <amu> 14:41 < Riddell> amu: but why would it build on the other architectures? <amu> 14:58 < Riddell> amu: are you doing kdeaddons? you need to take back 8038 if you are <amu> Riddell: did you saw pitti's question on #u-d ? <Riddell> amu: I did, want me to do it or shall you? <amu> Riddell: no it was a suggestion just in this case you're working atm on them, if not i'll add a bug <froud> amu: for knetwork-conf there is a bug. I dunno if it is kubuntu specific. but apparently when use presses "Apply" the environment should be updated. <amu> froud: did you tested it ex. on another system? <froud> no just on kubuntu <froud> amu: but juan says it should work <froud> Try this: <amu> froud: could you please add a bug with all the information <froud> <froud> /ust/share/apps/knetworkconf/backends/network-conf --get > network.xml <froud> <froud> Edit network.xml and change some config value, for example your ip address. <froud> <froud> /ust/share/apps/knetworkconf/backends/network-conf --set < network.xml <froud> amu: ok <froud> amu: btw did you know it is now in KDE cvs review <amu> :) yep, i'm in contact with upstream <Riddell> can someone test kdevelop3 at deb http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/away/kubuntu ./ <haggai> Riddell: do you have a mirror with your new kdebase yet? I see ubuntu9 built but my uk mirror doesn't seem to have it yet * haggai installs Riddell's kdevelop <haggai> Riddell: I don't see a menu item <haggai> for kdevelop <haggai> Riddell: also, several icons missing in left hand pane of project options, e.g. General <Riddell> haggai: nope, don't have kdebase -ubuntu9, and if the uk mirror doesn't have it that means none of them do <Riddell> haggai: kdevelop seems to have some missing files, hopefully I can add them and that'll sort it <haggai> 30655 chris 25 0 773m 706m 2888 R 83.3 72.1 9:42.98 cc1plus <haggai> oggle <elmo> LOL <Riddell> http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/lwn-ubuntu-kubuntu-review.html <apokryphos> Great comments generally all around; cool stuff. :) <Riddell> amu's on a roll today. Gaelic added, about time too <amu> ... it was a bitcircumstantially to upload those 330MB <amu> and of course a good test for elmo's buildd :) <apokryphos> Hm, so if there's problems with kde Universe packages, I can't create a bug report? <amu> apokryphos: which package? <apokryphos> PyKDE stuff; I know you guys know of it, but I thought it would be helpful to keep track with a bug report... <Riddell> apokryphos: add it to kde marked for kubuntu <haggai> apokryphos: python-dcop or something different? <apokryphos> python2.3-kde3 and python-kde3 <amu> apokryphos: yep, problem is universe is not supported by bugzilla, there's a kind of backdoor, Package is UNKNOWN and assign it to us, i started to fix it and it hangs on a unknown .sip error <apokryphos> Ok, cool; adding now. <amu> ... i contacted the motu team, they told me riddell is also working on it :) <haggai> heh nice one Riddell :) <Riddell> well, it's on my todo list, anyone else who wants to do it first is more than welcome <apokryphos> To assign it to you guys I just put in kubuntu-bugs email address, right? <amu> Riddell: ok, i'll take it after kdesdk is done, what i did, i fixed/checked the depends, imho it's only this python sip problem. <amu> apokryphos: yep, in this case directly to me, than we can save a bit time, someone readdress it. <haggai> bah, my laptop test env ran out of space, time to ditch ubuntu.. <apokryphos> ok <amu> Riddell: if you did more than me, or if you're deeper in it, you're welcome to take it back, just look to my buildd <Riddell> amu: you go ahead <Riddell> I've not done anything so far <elmo> guys, are you nearing completion in your marathon of uploads? <opi> g'day/night :) <amu> elmo: i just start it :) it will a nice evening for you idle cpu <elmo> well, reason I ask is, there's a bunch of uninstallable's, wondering if that's because you're still mid-uploads, or if it's somethingI should be chasing you about <amu> elmo: it's cause of mid-uploads .... kdepim ppc is still missing, which blocks _all_ <elmo> ok, it's in needs-build.. one of the buildds should take it soon <elmo> or will now I've started one <amu> thx, <elmo> kde-i18n is arch: any? <amu> elmo: needs-build is fine .... <elmo> nm, no it's not <amu> ufff, i checked it very carefull, except the linitan <amu> hey opi ;) * amu creeps back to his stone <opi> hi ami <opi> and elmo <elmo> hi opi <opi> Anyone of you have some experience with QTDesigner and Python? <haggai> woo finaly a kdebindings that builds and has everything in the right places <opi> I mean, GTK has Glade and Glade-Python bindings <opi> it's kinda offtopic, but ;) <opi> I'm developing small thing, and I would like to add face to it, but I was building GUIs from hand back at AmigaOS, now I'm too lazy <haggai> time for bed, back in the morning <Riddell> haggai: well done, not going to upload? <haggai> Riddell: I only said the files are in the right places, not that I'd actually tested them thoroughly... <Riddell> fair enough <haggai> :) night <Riddell> guid nicht <opi> night haggai #kubuntu-devel 2005-04-05 <lytefyre> apache2ctl complains of no /usr/sbin/apache2 after install through kynaptic..what did i miss ?? <lytefyre> is this a bug ? <Riddell> lytefyre: we don't know, we just do KDE <lytefyre> ok <lytefyre> i just need to set up a webpage <opi> bught guys <opi> night <opi> ;) <opi> morning <SuperL4g> hmm <SuperL4g> got kded repeatedly crashing on me, on a fresh Kubuntu PPC install <froud> where is the bugzilla for kubuntu done? <haggai> froud: bugzilla.ubuntu.com, product kubuntu <froud> haggai: hmmm, I dont see such a product in my lis. maybe caching <froud> haggai: nope not the cache <haggai> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/enter_bug.cgi last product <haggai> Kubuntu: Bugs specific to the KDE based Ubuntu derived distribution <froud> haggai, Ok I see it but should it not also appear in the drop list form <haggai> which form? <froud> after login you get a form with drop lists, Status |V| Product |V| <haggai> hmm, problem is it isn't a real product - it makes product=ubuntu and keywords=kubuntu <froud> haggai: yes, don't know why it was setup that way <froud> also what if the package on which I want to file a bug is not listed? <haggai> because kubuntu shares ubuntu's repository and packages <haggai> if it is in universe it isn't listed, so choose UNKNOWN <froud> I need to log a bug against knetwork-conf <froud> ok <haggai> knetworkconf <haggai> ouch it's still in universe <froud> yes <haggai> amu! I asked you to put knetworkconf in :) <froud> haggai: who to assign the bug to? amu * froud drop https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8180 into the room <haggai> froud: thanks <froud> no worries <lamont> kdepim-dev: Depends: kmail (= 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu5) but it is not going to be installed <haggai> hiya <lamont> (amd64 - do we know about that one)? <haggai> amu's been doing pim stuff <lamont> haggai: and I'm going back to bed anyway <haggai> lamont: sleep well and thanks <lamont> just thought I'd mention it in passing before falling back into bed <haggai> :) * haggai uploaded kynaptic with fixed changelog <Riddell> what was up with the changelog? <haggai> it wasn't there :) <haggai> looks like you commented out the dh_installchangelogs line :) <Riddell> oh oops, thanks <haggai> np <amu> haggai: knetworkconf is already in <haggai> amu: in where? <amu> desktop-seed <haggai> ah cool thanks <amu> hmm i didnt added it ;) <amu> haggai: is there something more to add ? <haggai> amu: I found lots of probs in -i18n, just preparing a new version. There is a complete language missing too <haggai> amu: probably, I haven't looked at the list recently #kubuntu-devel 2005-04-06 <SuperL4g> Just want to say, gentlemen... I think Kubuntu ROCKS. <amu> SuperL4g: great <Kamion> amu: new daily up * Beineri joining from current Kubuntu Live-CDs here <Beineri> Somehow it seems it doesn't have all the latest updates? <Beineri> e.g. there is a trash on the desktop, aa not enabled, Utilities/More App/Kate <Beineri> on the other side eg. Konserve package fixes are in <Beineri> On my desktop system those stuff above is fixed (but kpersonalizer, korganizer start at first login) <Beineri> Additional note applying to both: openoffice.org-kde is missing in desktop seed <Beineri> (and I think konq-plugins for Google search bar according to KubuntuDefaults too) <haggai> amu: please add openoffice.org-kde to desktop seed <Roey> hello <Roey> :) <Roey> apokryphos: hi! <apokryphos> :P <Roey> do you guys have a direction you want to take the next release in? <Roey> something like a list of goals or a roadmap? <usual> do fonts still go into .fonts in kde <opi> you can allways use Control Center <opi> and manage fonts global/local from there <usual> k #kubuntu-devel 2005-04-07 <froud> African Greetings <amu> moin' <Beineri> moin <motaboy> Hi all. <amu> wb <haggai> hiya <haggai> amu: do you know why there are .gmo files in kde-i18n's .tar.gz? Aren't .[g] mo autogenerated anyway? <haggai> dpkg-source is complaining when I try to dpkg-buildpackage -b ; dpkg-buildpackage -S <haggai> dpkg-source: cannot represent change to zh_CN/messages/kdeutils/ksim.gmo: binary file contents changed <haggai> dpkg-source: cannot represent change to zh_CN/messages/kdeutils/ktimer.gmo: binary file contents changed <haggai> etc <amu> as i know .pot is the original, foo.po' are the translations, foo.gmo' are the compiled foo.po translations (binaries) <haggai> exactly, so why am I seeing these in the .tar.gz? <amu> haggai: which dir you found them? * froud is looking for anything kubuntu to document. Ideas welcome <haggai> amu: all over the source <haggai> amu: I'm trying this now <haggai> find `cat subdirs` -type f -name '*.gmo' -exec rm {} \; <haggai> in the clean target <amu> froud: you could ask also in #kubuntu <froud> amu: I tought you said the KDEPIM problem with install of Kubuntu from GNOME was fixed? <froud> Riddell: r u awake <amu> froud: problem is still gnupg-agent which isnt in main ... <froud> amu what do you suggest I add to my doc to help users * froud just did a smart upgrade and now KPanel is borked <froud> all I have is desktop and help <froud> :-) <froud> anyone know why <froud> amu: is it in Universe? <froud> amu: if it is then adding Universe to sources.list should fix it <amu> froud: i'm adding a review of it to my todo's ... will do a review within next 24h <froud> amu: ok thanks <froud> amu: btw I am just waiting for sysadim at kde to get me my account <froud> amu: should be able to continue with knetwork-conf then <amu> froud: cool, if you need an sync, i've also an acc there <froud> amu: cool, should get the account after the long weekend. Being easter and all, they are slow <amu> froud: checkedout cvs knetworkconf merged it run testbuild it now <froud> amu: any news on https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8180 <froud> Hmm seems Chris has it <froud> is anything active on kynaptic? <froud> seems like it just died <amu> ups, i just finished it, some lintian cleanup and ready for a first test <froud> ok <amu> froud: you wanna test new knetworkconf ? <froud> sure <amu> you run a ppc or you need i386 debs? <froud> i386 <amu> gimme 5min. for a 386 port <froud> no worries <amu> froud: http://bofh.debian.net/tmp/knetworkconf_0.6.1-3ubuntu1.1_i386.deb * froud
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