#ubuntu-us-mn 2010-08-01 <kermit> Jason1: back yours up, remove and install the package <kermit> your sshd connection wont die if yuo're remote <Jason1> nothing will change until I do a restart right? <Jason1> What about everyone's keys already in place? <kermit> i think changes take effect immediately <kermit> keys are stored in home dirs <kermit> package management doest mess with home dirs <Jason1> sudo apt-get remove openssh-server ?? <kermit> yeah, or aptitude <kermit> no comment on the 'sudo' stuff <Jason1> uninstall and reinstall left the sshd_config file intact <kermit> ohh i think thats an option, to remove config files <kermit> try purge instead of remove <kermit> but that might kill your ssh connectio <kermit> i'll try <kermit> it doestn, so yeah try purge <Jason1> that worked! Thanks! <Jason1> anyone in here? <tonyyarusso> yup <kermit> Jason1: it seems so <_diablo> lol, seems like he didn't think you two were interesting ;) <_diablo> server going down, be back later #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-08-02 <Adremelech> can anyone recommend a wireless pci card that works out of the box? <tonyyarusso> intel stuff <Adremelech> cool, thanks <Adremelech> actually, i might want to specify that its for a desktop <Adremelech> or maybe newegg just doesnt have desktop pci cards from intel? <tonyyarusso> guess not <tonyyarusso> could try http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833114031 <Adremelech> i think i'll just search the forums a bit, since an almost $30 wireless card is an expensive gamble <Takyoji> Ooo, Linux Foundation has a more interest t-shirt available now <Takyoji> http://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/167-amanda-mcpherson/334653-new-benefits-for-linux-foundation-members * Obsidian1723 brb #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-08-03 <h00k> ripps! <ripps> h00k: yo <h00k> ripps: Nice job on the elementary-nautilus packaging <h00k> ripps: are you a MOTU yet? <ripps> h00k: nope <h00k> ripps: why not? <h00k> ripps: Also, you should try for membership! <ripps> h00k: Eh, need to write up an application, and I'm sure I've fixed enough Ubuntu bugs. I tend to fix bugs in the Ubuntu side-projects... <ripps> *not sure I've fixed enough Ubuntu bugs <h00k> so, you should create a wiki <h00k> and I encourage you to go for it <h00k> if you want. <h00k> !member <lubotu1> Want to become an Ubuntu member? Look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership <ripps> h00k: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ripps818 <h00k> ripps: yeah. I'm pretty sure you should go for it. <ripps> I've tried to apply for a MOTU mentorship, but nobody has gotten back to me. <h00k> Really? <h00k> ripps: how long ago was that? <ripps> h00k: a few months <tonyyarusso> My lappy is getting finicky, but I don't really feel like buying a new one yet... <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: btw, I got it running again, but it's still occasionally strange. AFAICT, it's happy once it gets booted at least now. <h00k> ripps: using this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted <h00k> ripps: and also https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu-mentors <h00k> ripps: I mean, you can do as you wish, I think your skills are pretty cool <ripps> h00k: I could try, but I think my biggest barrier to membership is that most MOTU's aren't very familiar with me, so I'm not sure who I can get to vouch for me. <h00k> ripps: are you in #ubuntu-motu? <h00k> yep <h00k> sparklehistory: hello! <sparklehistory> Hi h00k! <h00k> How are you, this fine cloudy day? <sparklehistory> Pretty good, just makin myself some dinner <h00k> I haven't eaten dinner yet, I don't know what to make :( <sparklehistory> How are you? <h00k> I'm doing pretty alright! I can't complain. <sparklehistory> Mine has been a matter of pull it out of the fridge and toss it in the pan and see what happens <sparklehistory> I hear you recently got engaged, congratulations! <h00k> :D Thanks! I blame tonyyarusso for that one <sparklehistory> h00k: For telling me or getting engaged? :P <h00k> HAH. Telling you :) <h00k> It's okay, we told the internets on our site. And video, pics, etc. <sparklehistory> He did keep it a secret until after you proposed, and enjoyed tormenting me with the fact that there was something he knew that I didn't. <h00k> HAH! <h00k> Seriously? <sparklehistory> of course <h00k> >.< <sparklehistory> So what have you been up to this summer? <h00k> Oooh. working, mostly <sparklehistory> Same here, nothing too exciting <h00k> Uuum, driving the motorcycle when the weather is nice <sparklehistory> That sounds like fun! I've been trying to get outside on the weekends, escape from the office atmosphere. <h00k> Yeah. Where 'bouts do you work? Or, what kind of work, rather? <sparklehistory> I work in the cities, in law. <h00k> Ah, okay. <sparklehistory> How about you? <h00k> I work for an IT company <h00k> in Rhinelander, WI <sparklehistory> ah, cool <h00k> So, we do IT for local businesses <sparklehistory> Do you do mainly open source? <h00k> unfortunately, no. We are a Microsoft Gold partner and provided mainly Microsoft options, but we're starting to become more open (mostly because of my influence) in providing the best option for the customer's needs <h00k> I'm trying to shake things up a bit <sparklehistory> that's good, it's always nice to let people know they have options <h00k> Yes <sparklehistory> It's was nice chatting with you, but I'm off to eat now <h00k> I use Ubuntu on my work-provided laptop and run Win 7 in a virtual machine for our tools like Go To Assist, etc <h00k> Enjoy dinner! <sparklehistory> thanks! <h00k> Ubuntu Wisconsin is having a meeting at 8:00pm on Wednesday in #ubuntu-us-wi if anyone would like to join! Topics will include Global Jam participation and potential release parties * tonyyarusso waves <h00k> Hey there! <tonyyarusso> So, wanna buy me a new laptop? <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: no....but you can buy yourself one :) <h00k> tonyyarusso: what did you do? I told you they don't work underwater <tonyyarusso> h00k: nothing, it's just old and used. It's developed some sort of slightly loose connection in the motherboard or chipset or hard drive interface that causes it to pause occasionally, usually during early stages of the boot sequence. <h00k> did you run a memtest? <h00k> does it kernel panic? <tonyyarusso> I'm working on it as we speak, so it's functional, but I'm starting to think it's nearing retirement time (purchased 2005). <tonyyarusso> no, kernel's totally happy. <h00k> Interesting. I had a bad L2 cache and kernel panic'd, I was able to get a dump on netconsole <tonyyarusso> Symptoms are you'll type "Hello", "He" will print to the screen, then you rock it back and forth or press on the chassis a bit and then "llo" will print out. <h00k> ^o) what the hell <h00k> That shouldn't even...happen. <h00k> what does S.M.A.R.T. data say on your HD? <tonyyarusso> I don't think this drive supports it <h00k> :( <h00k> Check with palimpset <h00k> or what it's called <tonyyarusso> oh, nvm "Has a few bad sectors" - guess it does. <h00k> how many is a few? <h00k> It should give you a detailed report <tonyyarusso> 2 <tonyyarusso> on last check at least - manually running now <tonyyarusso> never any trouble reading or writing data either <h00k> Oh. 2? <h00k> that's nothing <tonyyarusso> right <tonyyarusso> I'm think like a solder joint between a component and the motherboard that popped off a bit. <h00k> I have a soldering iron you can borrow <h00k> and some hot-glue <tonyyarusso> I have one too, but I haven't found what's wrong yet - just a guess based on the symptoms. <h00k> Yeah, that is awkward. RAM is okay? <tonyyarusso> I was half-pondering selling it to Takyoji and making it his problem :P (If I decide I can shell out for a replacement) <tonyyarusso> should be - RAM is non-original. <h00k> do a memtest, that can't hurt <tonyyarusso> true. Need me to reboot though :P <Takyoji> I was just curious of it; was all <h00k> yeah. is that the machine you're on? <tonyyarusso> yup <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: aww, fine <Takyoji> as might be able to find people interested <tonyyarusso> speaking off selling off old machines though, h00k was at one point half-interested in my desktop and never got back to me... <tonyyarusso> and I still need to send a quote for my keyboard to exigraff <h00k> tonyyarusso: oh yeah, tell me about it again? I totally forgot :D * tonyyarusso looks for the spreadsheet <tonyyarusso> http://files.tonyyarusso.com/netvista_valuation.ods <h00k> netvista <h00k> makes me nervous <Takyoji> Good ol' oldie games. Was just playing Descent; and Cyberia before that; in DosBox <tonyyarusso> lordy, that was back in April <tonyyarusso> h00k: why? It's a a pretty decent little machine. <h00k> tonyyarusso: just the 'Vista' part <tonyyarusso> ah, lol <tonyyarusso> Well, this was before Microsoft used that term, so... (It's an IBM, btw, from toward the tail end of IBM making PCs before offloading to Lenovo.) <h00k> tonyyarusso: Ah, I remember this! <h00k> It's got a P4 <h00k> 2 GiB NICs <tonyyarusso> yeah, lots of non-original goodies in there :P <h00k> nothing wrong with that! <h00k> I have like...$5 to my name until Friday. <h00k> I'll keep that in mind, although I have to be frugal with the wedding coming up <tonyyarusso> The caveat is that the P4 is the reason the power supply needs replacing, and the power supply is a non-standard form factor with limited options available. So, either you need to a) Run the Celeron. b) Replace the power supply regularly. c) Mod it to hold a different power supply somehow. <tonyyarusso> pssssh, the bride's family is supposed to cover the wedding! <h00k> well, they're making a generous contribution, but it probably won't cover everything <tonyyarusso> updated the file to account for the extra couple of months of depreciation. <h00k> tonyyarusso: Would you consider assisting setting up a release party in the Duluth/Superior area? <h00k> tonyyarusso: ripps is the only one I'm aware of up there from MN, however <tonyyarusso> Sure, depending on what assisting entails <h00k> I have no idea. <h00k> I know there is also a user in Ashland that might be interested as well. <h00k> exigraff, Brittany, myself, <h00k> tonyyarusso: I'll look into it and let you know <tonyyarusso> If I do get a new laptop, I think the current top contender is http://www.system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=100 <h00k> next time I can afford one, I'm getting a system76 <tonyyarusso> They aren't even expensive...until you decide to trick it out because that's what geeks do. <h00k> 'course <tonyyarusso> Looks like a really nice one would be more than $1500, less than $2000. <tonyyarusso> like, zillions times nicer than my current one <tonyyarusso> Core i7 vs. Pentium M? <h00k> i7 <h00k> Pentium M? <h00k> M is single core~ <tonyyarusso> Yup. <tonyyarusso> I'm saying for comparison, not decision. The ThinkPad is an M. <h00k> Oh, oh, I understand. <h00k> I was going to say...you're trying to make that decision? <h00k> I was going to make some generalizations about Minnesotans... <tonyyarusso> haha <Takyoji> When will I be able to ever find a modern and usable Linux distro that doesn't have a damn regression with my mother's desktop's graphics chipset? <Takyoji> Whereas it ALWAYS freezes after 20-30 minutes; the only thing movable is the mouse. And you can't switch to a virtual terminal <h00k> Takyoji: Tell Murphy to change that damn law. <Takyoji> 9.04 worked <Takyoji> 9.10 freezes after 20 minutes. <Takyoji> 10.04 freezes even shorter. <Takyoji> and I tried installing Fedora 13, but it freezes after an amount of time as well. <Takyoji> and all I've been given is "you'll have to do regression testing" and a wiki page, and no other assistence. <tonyyarusso> Sounds like about the amount of support you paid for, no? <Takyoji> and I would pay for support, but I get the feeling that I'm just going to get a person reading off a wiki <tonyyarusso> nah, you get MagicFab and mneptok. <h00k> !support | Takyoji <lubotu1> Takyoji: The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org <h00k> Bahahahaha <Takyoji> and then I'm going to be told that it's "too broad" of symptoms <Takyoji> and I listed this bug a month ago: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/604192 <lubotu1> Ubuntu bug 604192 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "Screen goes blank and flashes vertical stripes on 1s interval" [Undecided,Confirmed] <Takyoji> one person triaged it, and that's all that's happened to it <Takyoji> Importance not rated (considering it makes the damn system not usable at all) and not assigned to anyone. <h00k> It all depends on how many people mark it as affecting them <Takyoji> and the people it's probably affecting are the ones with old systems that don't have a Launchpad account and don't have a straight path to finding my bug listing <h00k> something, yep. <Takyoji> I'll try to bug someone tomorrow about the details of: regression testing a kernel module, via the upstream X11 git repository, and compiling the kernel each time (on a 2GHz, single-core processor), and testing such every time.. <tonyyarusso> What's the deal with these "and I'm a Mormon" ads? Have they finally decided they should try convincing people they aren't really as crazy as we think? <h00k> ads on TV? <tonyyarusso> yeah <h00k> that's odd. <sparklehistory> on the radio too <Takyoji> Isn't fsck supposed to check for filesystem inconsistencies and fix them if possible? <Takyoji> because I've been running: sudo fsck /dev/sda5 <Takyoji> and it doesn't find any issues and never prompts me (except for "oh noes! this filesystem might be corrupt! Do you still want to scan? :o") <Takyoji> and then when I go to resize a partition, it complains about inconsistencies with the partition <Takyoji> Yay, testdisk fixed the issue #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-08-04 <tonyyarusso> hey h00k and folks, you should go outside tonight and see if you can see northern lights <kermit> oh? whys that? <kermit> solar storm or something like that? <kermit> ok, when exactly is best? <tonyyarusso> kermit: yeah, coronal mass ejection headed our way. Usually close to local midnight is best. <kermit> thanks <h00k> tonyyarusso: Yeah, it was cloudy last night :( <Takyoji> I feel dumber than a doorknob <Takyoji> Realized that there's 'Indicator Applet', 'Indicator Applet Session' AND 'Notification Area' <Takyoji> otherwise my wireless adapter from China has arrived today <Takyoji> Realtek 8187L chipset #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-08-05 <tonyyarusso> h00k: yeah :( <tonyyarusso> h00k: we should have two more chances, although tonight and tomorrow may be semi-cloudy too. <h00k> I've always wanted to see them <tonyyarusso> h00k: NWS says "PARTLY CLOUDY WITH A 20 PERCENT CHANCE OF SHOWERS AND <tonyyarusso> THUNDERSTORMS BEFORE 9 PM..THEN CLEARING. <tonyyarusso> down here, which is promising for midnight <tonyyarusso> Same thing Thursday - "PARTLY CLOUDY IN THE EVENING THEN BECOMING <tonyyarusso> MOSTLY CLEAR. <kermit> is there any chance of a second chance at seeing the aurora tonight? <kermit> it was too cloudy last night <tonyyarusso> kermit: Yes - there were multiple flares, so all three nights have nearly equal shots. <kermit> cool <tonyyarusso> Wunderground agrees - 20% cloud cover at 1AM tonight <tonyyarusso> kermit, h00k: http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/rt_plots/kp_3d.html <tonyyarusso> looks like we're back up to 6 so far tonight <h00k> yay! <h00k> I might have to out to the airport across the road after the Ubuntu Wisconsin meeting <h00k> I wonder if it will be low enough to reach down here <h00k> tonyyarusso: ^ <tonyyarusso> dunno, but you have an advantage over me still <h00k> Less light polution, that's for sure <tonyyarusso> and higher latitude <h00k> we're higher, here? <h00k> sure enough. <h00k> Rhinelander is <tonyyarusso> geography fail <h00k> no u <exigraff> owned <tonyyarusso> Rhinelander has 0.344848 of a degree on Shoreview. <tonyyarusso> (Approximately 24 miles) <h00k> tonyyarusso: you're welcome here! I have an excellent view! <tonyyarusso> h00k: of just stars so far, or do you have lights? <h00k> tonyyarusso: I don't know yet, I'm discussing Wubi in #ubuntu-us-wi <h00k> then I'll head out <tonyyarusso> ah <tonyyarusso> You're a four-hour drive away though, so maybe not :P <h00k> Yeah...it's true. Unless you speed! <h00k> you could get here by 1 <h00k> I have a futon <tonyyarusso> So, be there by 1, watch the sky for maybe two hours, then be awake, fed, and driving back here for work by 8AM... <h00k> yep. coffee! <exigraff> there are worse ways to spend the evening <h00k> I'm going out now. * Takyoji wonders if there's a reference which has all the commands of all common Linux package managers listed <Takyoji> Is there anything else other than dpkg and rpm? <tonyyarusso> apt and yum on top of those, yast, portage, stampede, urpmi, zypper, poldek, slackpkg, pacman, smart, equo, conary, and a few others. <tonyyarusso> ^^ Takyoji <Takyoji> but a handful of those are just frontends to apt or yum; correct? <tonyyarusso> nope <Takyoji> I mean <Takyoji> dpkg and rpm <Takyoji> apt being a frontend for dpkg; yum as a frontend for rpm <tonyyarusso> Package file formats: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_package_formats , package management systems: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Package_management_system#Linux_distributions <Takyoji> ahh <tonyyarusso> See also http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=package-management <Takyoji> yay <GrandCasino> Hi <GrandCasino> Hi all #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-08-06 * Obsidian1723 have fun all time ti jet home. <Takyoji> I find it interesting of the recent message on the mailing list <Takyoji> What's the difference between ifconfig and iwconfig? Is ifconfig for configuring any network interface, while iwconfig is for configuring 802.11-related settings of a network interface? <tonyyarusso> pretty much #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-08-08 * tonyyarusso changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-mn to: Have a read: http://ubuntu-us.org/?q=node/14366 <damian_> can someone help me with a shell script (really simple) <damian_> ...well here it is anyway <damian_> cd wire/settings/render_targets <damian_> for i in {1..10} <damian_> do <damian_> rm 'WireGPU_RT_'$i".txt" <damian_> done <damian_> wait a sec... <damian_> IT WORKS! <damian_> unfortunately it worked on the wrong thing... <damian_> I think I see the problem, it refuses to delete anything because the shell script doesn't have permission to, but that doesn't make sense because it is allowed to create files using the svn command <damian_> I'll try here later (maybe) #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-08-12 <Takyoji> Hah, it would be amazing if I could somehow make a way that I could plugin my foldable keyboard into my smartphone. xP <Takyoji> both Palm products <Takyoji> just not sure what type of communication the keyboard uses <Takyoji> whether it's something proprietary or standardized <Takyoji> Anyone favor any specific Arduino retailer? <_diablo> nope. sorry, I don't even know what those are #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-08-13 <Takyoji> Anyone know how to open any electronic that is internally secured with no screws or other straightforward methods of getting inside of them? i.e. a laptop power adapter <_diablo> Takyoji: i'd use a knife and try to pop it open... but you'll probably destroy it <Takyoji> I suppose I wouldn't mind if I just smashed the plastic with a hammer anyway <_diablo> lol <Adremelech> dremel <Adremelech> but then you risk cutting something on the inside without knowing it <Takyoji> or a hack saw. xP <Takyoji> Oh joy.. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/08/oracle-sues-google-over-use-of-java-in-android-sdk.ars <Adremelech> i tried making something for android <Adremelech> but i didnt quite understant how to begin <Adremelech> not that im a java person though <Takyoji> Ick. My smartphone has support ONLY for patent-encumbered formats. #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-08-15 <_diablo> there are far too many sparkles on here... <_diablo> sparkle_history: sparklehistory: have you seen sparkleshare? <sparklehistory> no <_diablo> dropbox-like clone that can be run from a local server. GPL-3 and released under mono. It's super alpha at this point, but looking cool <_diablo> Also, anyone on here that's interested in general hacker stuff should listen to hackradiolive.org <kermit> or go to the 2600 meetings <_diablo> 2600? interesting. haven't heard of it <kermit> oh my #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-08-17 <kermit> where's the notice that this channel is being logged publicly? <kermit> We would like to remind <kermit> - you that unauthorized public logging of channels on the <kermit> - network is prohibited. Public channel logging should only <kermit> - take place where the channel owner(s) has requested this <kermit> - and users of the channel are all made aware (if you are <kermit> - publically logging your channel, you may wish to keep a <kermit> - notice in topic and perhaps as a on-join message). <tonyyarusso> Users should be aware that IRC is logged, just by nature. We don't need to cave to emma's demands here. <kermit> emma influenced that policy?? <kermit> its a freenode policy now, anyway, so you do have to cave <kermit> that paste is from the MOTD <tonyyarusso> yeah....spent plenty of time annoying the hell out of everyone for it too. <tonyyarusso> "you may wish to" doesn't sound like "have to" to me. <kermit> "and users of the channel are all made aware" is before the 'you may wish to' <tonyyarusso> Hey users, there's bot in /names with "log" in it's nick. Do the math. <tonyyarusso> There. <kermit> unless thats on a timer, thats not adhering to the policy <tonyyarusso> We're not going to spam people pointlessly. <kermit> i agree, a timer would be a bad approach <kermit> the suggestions in the MOTD would be better <kermit> (that i pasted above) <tonyyarusso> Those are all just as annoying. <tonyyarusso> If anyone asks, just /msg ubottu logs <tonyyarusso> although we're actually in the former link currently. <kermit> what link? <tonyyarusso> in the factoid <kermit> what factoid? <tonyyarusso> See 00:30:34 #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-08-18 <netbook> Wait topic link is about a Massachusetts loco <tonyyarusso> ... <tonyyarusso> wth, you're right. Did I manage to fail at copy and paste? <tonyyarusso> netbook: oh, they changed they're URL format without backwards compatibility :( * tonyyarusso changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-mn to: Have a read: http://ubuntu-us.org/2009/12/06/what-individuals-can-do-for-their-loco-team/ <tonyyarusso> There we go. <netbook> nice <Takyoji> In case if others haven't seen the petition yet: http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/acta/acta-declaration <Takyoji> Is there any difference between PGP, GPG, and GnuPG? <Takyoji> Erm, I guess GPG = GnuPG <Takyoji> So GnuPG is just an open implementation of PGP? <Takyoji> Repeat; in case if I missed anything. <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: basically, yes. <Takyoji> Any reason why meaningful software version updates aren't ever available in the Ubuntu repositories ever? <Takyoji> For example; VLC 1.1.2 not being available; instead, 1.0.6 is only available, which even the VideoLAN team implies it's outdated: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-ubuntu.html <Takyoji> So for now I guess my web browser has to be the video player for locally stored WebM files.. <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: Because the VideoLAN team either missed the feature freeze cutoff or failed to follow up with overstretched package maintainers. <tonyyarusso> !info vlc maverick | Takyoji <lubotu1> Takyoji: vlc (source: vlc): multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.2-1+exp1ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 1998 kB, installed size 4508 kB <wildmustangs> I was wondering if I could get some help with getting a ltsp sever working <wildmustangs> is there any one who can help with terminal server set up <Takyoji> I'm a bit unfamiliar with setting up LTSP <tonyyarusso> If he comes back, there is someone on the mailing list who has extensive LTSP experience. #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-08-19 <Takyoji> *cough hint cough* http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=153190131361740 <Takyoji> Anyone know of a decent subtitle format that isn't patent-encumbered or anything stupid? <tonyyarusso> alt="Some text here" <Takyoji> I'm talking about for video. :P <Takyoji> I suppose WebSRT is the only suitable thing for my case. <Takyoji> Random thought: wouldn't it be convenient if the window manager had like a "snap to grid" concept with resizing windows? <Takyoji> moving/resizing* <Takyoji> I remember some Windows Server elitist that said command line is only for the nostalgic. xP <Takyoji> of some overweight representative of a local company in Faribault, whom had issues trying to start up the desktop he did the presentation on, at a 'career exploration' day thing. <Obsidian1723> how does his being overweight relate to his closed-mindedness? <Takyoji> whom implied if you ever want to get into technology, people will only care about Microsoft certifications (and I'm not exaggerating) <Takyoji> Well, alright, that was off-topic <Obsidian1723> and that was rather judmental too. <Obsidian1723> You can't complain of closed-minds if you yourself haveo ne as well. <kermit> it totally relates, both are evidence of a long list of cognative biases, of which was the point. <Obsidian1723> No, it doesn't. <Obsidian1723> Weight has zero to do with closed-mindedness. <Takyoji> Again, I had no intent of mocking those with obesity. <Takyoji> By the way, do those whom sell Windows licenses typically get it cheaper, to have markup, to have it equate the common price? <Obsidian1723> A fair comparisson would be to say that the guy was judgemental in support of MS/Windows, ruling out other solutions; and Takyoji was judgmental towards overweight people. Not trying to start shyte, just saying kermit, if you are going to compare, do like vs like, that's all. <Takyoji> (random curiosity) <Obsidian1723> Anyway........... moving onward. <Obsidian1723> Tak, OEMs get it cheaper I know.. <Obsidian1723> but do you mean does the average Best buy employee get a discount? no. <Obsidian1723> That's why there are VLKs, those also get a discount too. <Takyoji> I'm just curious as to why typical retailers of hardware avoiding Linux and cling to selling Microsoft-based platforms, even when the use case is as simple as a webserver that'll be seldom touched. <Takyoji> and wondering if it's based upon profit from selling Windows-based equipment <Takyoji> Specifically servers. <Obsidian1723> nah <Takyoji> There's a church ministry that has a static website that's hosted on IIS which also has Exchange. <Obsidian1723> old Bill hanings had OEM licensing since the begin <Takyoji> Nobody ever interacts with the actual server and just work via FTP <kermit> Takyoji: its becuase of about 15% of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases <kermit> Takyoji: and, as you correctly identified, are also substantialy the set of biases that relate to obescity <Takyoji> Which kills really the point of a Windows Server; considering to my understanding people favor such due to the straightforward GUI for configuring IIS <kermit> hmm more like 50% of that list <Obsidian1723> In 75, when MS started, and shortly thereafter, Bill and MS bought QDOS, Quick and Dorty Operating System. They they converted it into MS-DOS, or Micro-Soft Disk Operating System, then did the OEM licensing with vendors at the time to secure their place as the OS provider as the de facto standard. <Obsidian1723> Dirty..correcting my typo <Takyoji> but if they're just poking at it via FTP, and paying the vendor that gave them the physical server a load of money for "maintaining" the server, whereas the details of what's "maintained" is undisclosed.. <Takyoji> QDOS was their attempt at an OS, then they bought DOS from some random person and rebranded it as MS-DOS, right? <Takyoji> (just never heard of QDOS before) <Obsidian1723> No, they bought QDOS, added to it and re-branded it as MS-DOS after some cloding and cleanup work on it. <Obsidian1723> The future in software as far as licensing goes is SAaS. <Takyoji> Anyway, other point being, I find it awkward that they say it's "what the customer wants" even though many never really exclusively requested such, and also as to why there's so much "maintenance and servicing" they get paid for each server. <Takyoji> even when the case is as simple as a webserver <Obsidian1723> yeah <Takyoji> I don't mind if someone wants Windows, that's fine. But it seems like force-feeding when not specifically implied considering they seem to have a lot of overhead costs associated. <Takyoji> and I shall be leaving to go to the Steele County Fair <Obsidian1723> cools. have fun. #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-08-22 <help[96]> does anybody know how to download and install new modules for drupal in ubuntu? <tonyyarusso> help[96]: Certainly. <tonyyarusso> The same way you do in any other distro - with wget and tar. <help[96]> hmm...okay, i'm new to ubuntu...so i usually use sudo apt-get <help[96]> but i don't think i can do that with modules <tonyyarusso> As you should, but the Drupal modules are not in the repositories. <tonyyarusso> Drupal itself is, but not its add-ons. <help[96]> yeah, so what's the process for wget and tar? <tonyyarusso> In your Drupal directory (/usr/share/drupalsomething), you'll see a sites/ directory. <tonyyarusso> In that either you'll have an all/ directory, or you can make one, with a modules/ subdirectory. <tonyyarusso> cd into that, the wget URLofthemodule, then tar zxf file.tar.gz <tonyyarusso> When you visit admin/build/modules, it will show up in the list. viola. <help[96]> hmm...so, in the sites/ directory, i just see a default/ directory <tonyyarusso> or that <help[96]> so...should i put the modules/ directory under the default/ directory? <tonyyarusso> help[96]: There are many, many ways of managing the sites/ tree. It would do you well to read the Drupal documentation about that. <tonyyarusso> You can start by using default/, but you probably don't want to keep doing that. <help[96]> okay...i'll check out the documentation a bit, too <help[96]> i think i was getting ahead of myself <help[96]> hey! it popped up! thanks so much! <andrew_708476> Is anyone any good with Ubuntu that doesn't mind helping because I have a few problems <tonyyarusso> !ask | andrew_708476 <lubotu1> andrew_708476: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) <tonyyarusso> It's hard for us to know if we're "good" with your problem until we know what it is. ;) <tonyyarusso> I guess we fail at telepathy :( #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-08-23 <Takyoji> Hah; I never knew there were televisions that run on Linux. xP <kermit> Takyoji: you need powerful open source free software to impliment cutting edge DRM. <Takyoji> Such wonderful irony, isn't it. xP <kermit> this is why there's GPLv3, and we need a new OS that's GPLv3 <Takyoji> ahh <Takyoji> And the reason that Linux can't jump to v3 of the GPL is because some contributors don't agree to it, correct? <kermit> not so much that some dont, just htat htere's so many to get to <kermit> but, statisticly, probably a few wouldnt <kermit> if it was only a few, someone else could just write replacement code <kermit> i think its more about having to contact everyone and just organizing it, since Linus personally isnt interested in it. #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-08-24 <Takyoji> So I have a TV tuner card that acts as a typical video input device (therefore is identified as a webcam in pretty much any program) and I only get sound by bridging a connection from the audio output of my TV tuner card to the Line in connector on my motherboard. Therefore the audio and video are completely separate. Any ideas for a reasonable capture application with a preview, that can persist for like an hour or so (just <Takyoji> as long as there's sufficient storage)? <kermit> mencoder <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: I don't know about the preview part, but I've used ffmpeg for recording from webcam. It lets you set video and audio device independently. <Takyoji> Any idea how I'd figure out which file in /dev is for line-in? <tonyyarusso> redirect urandom to it and see if it hurts? <Takyoji> I mean for which feed is input from the Line In port. xP * Takyoji wonders how many others have used this before: http://code.google.com/p/phpvirtualbox/ #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-08-25 <Takyoji> Oh joy; apparently some instructor of some college is exclusively forcing a friend of mine to only submit their work as an Office Open XML spreadsheet with no other formats allowed. <kermit> Takyoji: cool <Takyoji> No, you read that wrong. <kermit> not cool? <Takyoji> Office Open XML = OOXML <Takyoji> Also known as MOOXML <kermit> ohh <kermit> dyslexicia! <Takyoji> They probably named it like that for that reason. <kermit> haha <kermit> fortunately open office can export to that, right? <Takyoji> I think only the ISO-approved version of it <kermit> i've noticed a huge amount of colleges seem to be more like software/media resellers, requiring you to buy all sorts of very expensive content <kermit> i've heard they even intentionally dont tell you what books you need for the course unless you physically visit the bookstore that sells them <kermit> and i'm sure they get kickbacks or donations from those content providers <kermit> the fact that they're even still using printed material while calling themselves higher learning institutions should be enough of a hint * Takyoji pulls up his sleeves and writes ragemail. * Takyoji sends multi-page long ragemail <Takyoji> No, I wrote it formally and seldom said Microsoft; and didn't even refer to OpenOffice.org at all <Takyoji> and reasserted that it wasn't anything as a personal attack or criticism. <kermit> so is office open xml actually open? * Takyoji tinkers around on OSGrid <kermit> Takyoji: whats that? their about page 'has not been set up yet' <Takyoji> This: http://www.osgrid.org/ <kermit> yes, thats what i was refering to <Takyoji> It's a virtual sim that runs on the open source OpenSim server software <Takyoji> Like SecondLife, but no vendor lockin <kermit> fun <Takyoji> The viewers are derived from the SecondLife viewers <kermit> with the popularity of secondlife, i'm surprised htere still arent common VR headsets <Takyoji> heh <Takyoji> The fluidity of things in SecondLife are a bit bleh <kermit> a couple of ipods should be enough.. they even have the motion sensors in them already. <kermit> i've only played briefly <kermit> http://www.i-glassesstore.com/i-3d.html <Takyoji> Wasn't there a Slashdot article implying VR headsets cause sight issues? <tonyyarusso> ha, someone else awake <Takyoji> Yes, at 3:58am <Takyoji> I've been awake at these hours recently * tonyyarusso has work at 9 too <Takyoji> Bonus news: I'll be flipping burgers for money in 2 days. <tonyyarusso> haha <Takyoji> At least it's not freaking McDonalds. <tonyyarusso> My brother was at DQ this summer <Takyoji> My mother is the manager of the local Dairy Queen <Takyoji> for many many years now #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-08-26 <Takyoji> Is there a straightforward way of accepting specific SSL/TLS certificates system-wide? <Takyoji> that aren't signed by a trusted CA <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: Yes, but darned if I'm going to remember it right now. <KB1JWQ> Hmm. <netbook> .mmH #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-08-27 <Takyoji> So for coaxial power connectors; Is the polarity typically: inside is +, outside is -? <Takyoji> Because I've noticed opposite polarities on some of my power transformers <kermit> its not +/- its signal/ground <kermit> er n/m you said power.. <kermit> its not standard, i've had multi purpose supplies and there's always a way to toggle the polarity <kermit> i think its usually + on the inside though <buzzygirl> Hi, can someone assist me with a sound issue? #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-08-28 <_diablo> 3 minutes is no where near enough time for me to nice something like that... :( <kermit> emma: welcome to minnesota! how long are you staying? <Takyoji> I have a quick ramble: <Takyoji> Why does it seems that every technical college or whatever only teaches ASP.NET for web development, and MS SQL server for DB deployment, and that their own website is stupidly ColdFusion on IIS? <Takyoji> ColdFusion on IIS; just to show off how much money they like blowing off for their website. <Takyoji> most likely with some enterprise level pricing of MS SQL Server <Takyoji> DCTC is that way, ITT Tech is that way, I could probably find numerous more. <kermit> Takyoji: they're trying to get students jobs at large corporations, which are more MS oriented. i guess MS does have a lot of features oriented around very large businesses that *nix doesnt. #ubuntu-us-mn 2010-08-30 <Wally_Phone> Hello <Takyoji> Hello <Wally_Phone> I'm torn. I'm thinking of installing arch linux over ubuntu. <Wally_Phone> I've touted with linux for about 5 months now. <Wally_Phone> How bad is it to configure? <Obsidian1723> Ever compiled software from source? <Obsidian1723> It's not Gentoo, but Arch has a bigger geek-learning-curve than Ubuntu. If you want super easy: Linux Mint. <Obsidian1723> If you want super hard: SlackWare, Gentoo, LFS <Wally_Phone> I want to learn more. And want to try compiling from source <Wally_Phone> I started with mint <Wally_Phone> Then ubuntu <Obsidian1723> ok, well, next I would go Debian <Obsidian1723> That wont be such a reach... <Wally_Phone> Debian is basically ubuntu source, correct? <kermit> Wally_Phone: ubuntu makes lots of modifications, but otherwise yes <Wally_Phone> I would live <Wally_Phone> I would like to start as clean as possible and build from there. <Wally_Phone> I will pull a live cd of debian then. <kermit> Wally_Phone: thats the philosophy of slackware <Wally_Phone> Ok not to sound like a noob but <Wally_Phone> Compiling software is basically apt get install xyz program <Wally_Phone> Right? To build your system <kermit> Wally_Phone: thats just installing a precompiled version <kermit> Wally_Phone: which is the easiest though <Wally_Phone> Source is.tar files then? <Wally> I got some more reading to do then guys. Thanks for the little bit of wisdom. I may be back for more advice <Obsidian1723> hmmm <Obsidian1723> compileing software is ungzing it, untaring it, doing ./configure then a makeinstall <Obsidian1723> You also need to make sure all dependacies are met. With Ubuntu or Red Hat or any distro that uses a repository, ala sudo apt-get install or yum, you download a deb / rpm file which does all of the work for you. <Obsidian1723> Also, upgrading a source-compiled-installed software program is trickier than it is by using a repository system as mentioned above. <Obsidian1723> and when you compile, it's for that particular PC. <Obsidian1723> There are advantages and disadvantages to both weays <Obsidian1723> ways <Wally> Thanks Obsidian1723 <Obsidian1723> no problem. <Wally> I may still be a litlle green for all that <Obsidian1723> yeah, thats why I was thinking Debian. ease into it. <Wally> I may be even a little green for debian but want to learn <Wally> I tend to learn better by trying and some reading <Wally> so thank you for the input <Wally> Im dl'ing debian now <Obsidian1723> I mean Gentoo and that is great because you compile it from source so its not just optimized and you not only get EXACTLY (and only) what you want, but also its optimized fopr that particular PC <Wally> understand <Obsidian1723> It's all the same really, the differences are mainly philosophical. <Wally> I just want a solid stable daily driver that can surf, music, movies, tinker, etc <Obsidian1723> For example, Debian does not update very often, really focuses on stability, free software <Wally> So whatever programs work on ubuntu will work on debian, correct? <Obsidian1723> Then I highly recommend Debian for stabiliity, but if you want newer software, something still stable and much easier to use, Linux Mint. <Wally> Like I need to edit a picture slide show. <Obsidian1723> Well, not really, no. <Obsidian1723> \Debian is leaner. See there are 3 repos from which debian is created. <Obsidian1723> debian-unstable <Obsidian1723> debian-testing' <Obsidian1723> and debian-stable <Obsidian1723> Ubuntu takes code from debian-testing for it's LTS releases and from debian-unstable for it's non-LTS releases..in both cases, Canonical adds their own code to it. <Wally> ok <Obsidian1723> MOST of the time the same stuff works in both Debian and Ubuntu, but not always. take apt-listbugs for example, great in Debian, pointless in Ubuntu. <Wally> so let say I need a web browser <Wally> debian won't come with one like ubuntu does? <Wally> And I can just aptget install firefox <Obsidian1723> Debian is what Ubuntu is based off of. It's a fork of Debian. Kubuntu (Ubuntu with KDE vs Gnome), Xubuntu (lightweight Ubuntu with XFCE) and Linux Mint (GNOME or KDE) are all based off of Ubuntu. <Wally> more or less <Obsidian1723> Debian comes with a browser, Firefox, albiet an older version. <Wally> ok <Wally> sorry for sounding so noob <Obsidian1723> You can install Firefox, yes, but again, Debian uses much older versions because their focus is stability. <Obsidian1723> No, its ok man. really. <Wally> ok i get it <Wally> but if i choose I can upgrade FF <Obsidian1723> If you want a good visual of Linux, Google "Linux Time Line" <Obsidian1723> \It shows the whole geneology tree of Linux. <Obsidian1723> You can, yes, but then that sort of defeats the purpose of Debian, which goes for ultra stability. <Obsidian1723> I really think Linux Mint is your better route for a desktop. <Obsidian1723> Its not as geeky as Ubuntu. <Obsidian1723> or Debian <Obsidian1723> It just works. <Obsidian1723> I personally run a customized version of Ubuntu. <Wally> I know mint is nice <Wally> It just works <Wally> When I first loaded it it worked out of the box <Wally> kinda nice <Wally> then i switched to ubuntu 10 when it came out <Wally> and well i never got it 100% where I wanted, but it was close <Obsidian1723> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/914191/rons-ubuntu-v13-autoinstall.iso <-- thats mine. If youy install it, make sure you have high speed Internet connected to the PC. <Wally> stiill had a few issues <Wally> like file sharing with windows, <Obsidian1723> It installs 10.04.1LTS and some customizations. Sets up a default user named: administrator with the default password of: password <Wally> ok <Wally> Im dl'ling it <Obsidian1723> Yeah, I fixed that in my distro. some stuff installed and confiogured for one, ntfs-3g which allows Linux to write (not just read) NTFS drives.You basically need to have <Wally> hmm. I think maybe I should just try your version <Obsidian1723> Also, Samba as well. my distro is focused on the network / os / security / linux geek who likes Ubuntu. It has media support though for vides, mp-3 etc <Wally> otherwise i will be back asking for more help <Obsidian1723> It has some nice add ons for administration to <Wally> cool <Wally> so you basically created what I was more or less after <Obsidian1723> yuip <Wally> ubuntu with all the mint support and no green. lol <Obsidian1723> yeah <Wally> well I am dl'ling it now and will fire up a live usb and give it a whirl. <Obsidian1723> What the iso does is install Ubuntu with that default user, a lot of stuff you are normally asked is answered by default (I used a kickstart script to do this) and then it goes out, downloads a bash script and runs it, which does the rest. <Obsidian1723> You wont see the custom stuff until you install it. When you run the ISO, it autoinstalls. <Wally> Hey I really appreciate you sharing that <Wally> So should I still make a live usb? <Obsidian1723> No problem.. remember, it auto installs... <Wally> yep <Wally> ok i got one problem with that <Obsidian1723> If your BIOS supports it, sure.. big thing is, remember the default username and password and also to b e connected to the Internet so the bash script is downloaded and runs <Wally> Yes I can boot from usb. <Wally> i got a ?? tho. 1 sec <Wally> Does it install grub, grub2? <Obsidian1723> What I USED to do is make an image of everything via Remastersys, which you can run as a live dvd or install from, but this way, I need not change the ISO. If I want to add/remove applications for the next install of the ISO, I need only change the bash script. <Obsidian1723> grub2 and ext4 <Obsidian1723> This way someone only need download 6xx meg file vs 2.2gb one. <Wally> Is this a public bash script or your personal one? <Obsidian1723> My personal. <Wally> ok <Obsidian1723> I have a non-kickstarted version of it that you can download and use on ANY Ubuntu system <Wally> so a couple more quick ??'s <Obsidian1723> Just need to chmod +x name <Wally> I am doidn a dual boot <Obsidian1723> ah yeah that will eip[e it out <Obsidian1723> You may be better off with just the bash script in your case. <Obsidian1723> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/914191/install-script.sh <Obsidian1723> thats the same version as the kickstarted version minus the sudo command in each line. <Obsidian1723> Just download that, chmod +x install-script.sh and then sudo ./install-script.sh <Obsidian1723> You can open it in gedit to sdee what all its doing before you run it if you want. <Wally> cool. do that after I install ubuntu <Wally> So I can just install 10.04.1 that I already have <Wally> and don <Obsidian1723> Well, if you run the ISO, it will do reformat the PC, install Ubuntu and then download the kickstarted version of that bash script. <Wally> lol <Wally> ya don't want that <Obsidian1723> It would wipe out your files and dual boiot. If you want to just keep yve http://dl.dropbox.com/u/914191/install-script.shour existing situation, then just run this script instead as noted abo <Wally> I need win for the wife still <Obsidian1723> yeah jsut run this as said above. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/914191/install-script.sh <Obsidian1723> that is better for your needs. do download the ISO though for use on another system though. <Wally> yep I got it <Obsidian1723> Coools <Wally> I certaintly will <Obsidian1723> It will probably take a couple hours to do its work. <Wally> the script? <Obsidian1723> Yeah <Wally> ok <Obsidian1723> It addss repos, downloads some files, installs applications, sets up iptables <Obsidian1723> Open it in gedit, just dont make any changes to it, and you'll see <Wally> Cool <Wally> http://techtricks.co.in/miscellaneous/uncategorized/booting-ubuntu910-from-media-direct-and-windows-7-fresh-dual-boot-xps1330 <Obsidian1723> myh email is in there too <Wally> that is my dual boot setup <Wally> yes and I got it from your pm. Thank you for that <Wally> It's nice having dual power buttons <Wally> so the wife don't get confused <Obsidian1723> yeah I hear ya... <Obsidian1723> remember if you ever go to reinstall Windows, the NTLDR (NT Loader) overwrites grub... <Obsidian1723> You runing XP? <Wally> win 7 <Obsidian1723> 64 bit? <Wally> i am installing grub only on my linux partition <Obsidian1723> ah ok <Obsidian1723> 32 bit linux?> <Wally> so windows shouldnt over write <Obsidian1723> true that. <Wally> i am on 32 bit win <Obsidian1723> cool. 32 nix too? <Obsidian1723> Avoid 64 bit Linux for now.... <Wally> i have 64 right now <Wally> but am going back to 32 <Obsidian1723> Flash is a biatch in that <Obsidian1723> Gotcha <Wally> in 32? <Obsidian1723> No, Flashy in 64 <Obsidian1723> thats the biatch <Wally> only got 3 <Wally> so just didn't seem to have the hp needed. <Wally> but 32 flies <Wally> and a old dual core proc. <Wally> 64 just seems to slow on my machine. need another gb of ram <Obsidian1723> oh btw, that script installs some nice docs btw <Wally> sweet! <Obsidian1723> yeah <Obsidian1723> The docus go injto the DOcuments folder <Obsidian1723> Documents folder <Wally> Do you run both? or strictly linux? <Obsidian1723> Strictly Linux. Been at computers since 1978, ran every version of Windows, very familliar iwth it, but I only run Linux now. <Obsidian1723> My wife has 64 bit Windows 7 <Obsidian1723> ck i nthe 80s and 90s too.I even ran Mac Classic OS ba <Wally> nice <Obsidian1723> I'm 43, started at age 12 <Wally> yea wife is not too comp lit. So it just needs to work. and she wont look at linux <Wally> you got few on me then. <Obsidian1723> thats too bad.... <Wally> Its fine. <Obsidian1723> She should bem ore open <Obsidian1723> yeah I hear ya. if it worksfor her and shes not getting infected left and right etc <Wally> Im gonna get her a netbook and she can have all the fun in the world <Obsidian1723> heheh <Wally> then I will proabbly ditch win <Obsidian1723> 7 is better than XP which isnt supported anymore. <Wally> except for work. ugh <Obsidian1723> yeah <Wally> agreed <Wally> 7 is nice <Obsidian1723> Ubuntu Netbook Remix is nice <Obsidian1723> I like 7 Profressional a lot. <Obsidian1723> 7 still has some issues.... <Wally> really made some leaps and bounds as far as end user is concerned <Wally> agreed <Wally> I got 7 ulit <Obsidian1723> Like 3rd party applications that install in Program FIles vs Program Files (x86) <Obsidian1723> yeah <Wally> do you put your home on a seperate partition? <Wally> /home* <Obsidian1723> No... I wanted to, but just the one HDD in it. <Obsidian1723> I want to build a box with a RAID 0+1 on it. <Wally> use swap? <Obsidian1723> Nope <Wally> needed? In your opinion? <Obsidian1723> I have 3GB of RAM on it at the desktop PC and 512MB on the lappy I'm on now, no swap in either case. <Obsidian1723> Well, depends <Wally> cool <Wally> I got 3 gb on my lappy <Wally> and should be fine with out it <Obsidian1723> Yeah, but its nice to be able to unmount /home for clean installs <Wally> agree <Obsidian1723> I have everything on one partition for my desktop, but on a server situation, I'd have /home on its own drive/partition.. <Wally> but I hope to stick on ubuntu for a while and not distro hope <Obsidian1723> Yeah <Wally> hop* <Obsidian1723> 'If you do a lot of servers, setup a special logs server and point /var on all servers to it. <Wally> I can't set up a server. <Obsidian1723> So a dedicated PC that hosts all /var/log files from al lservers <Wally> I am just a home comp user. <Obsidian1723> I hear ya <Obsidian1723> Not needed in yer case <Wally> I wish I knew <Wally> In time <Obsidian1723> Well, all depends on what ya need <Wally> so much to learn <Obsidian1723> You know, yo ucan easily setup one. <Wally> well when we move <Wally> I am planning on having a central server with all my video/audio <Obsidian1723> If you pull up a terminal and type: tasksel you can setup options <Wally> so i can access it from anywhere in house and hopefully out of house <Obsidian1723> If you are looking at a media server, Mythbuntu works great. <Obsidian1723> It's MythTV + Ubuntu <Wally> ya that would be where I will head when I get a better set up for that. <Obsidian1723> I just built a house, including a server room in it. <Obsidian1723> wired the house with CAT5e <Wally> thats wat I wanna do. <Wally> fully integrated house <Obsidian1723> My roputer is a PC with 2 NICs and pfSense on it. <Wally> and be able to access it remote <Obsidian1723> Are you in MN? <Wally> ya <Obsidian1723> cities? <Wally> yep EP. <Obsidian1723> Right on man.;... <Obsidian1723> I'm south metro. <Wally> nice. <Obsidian1723> What do ya do for work? <Wally> install Fire Alarms <Obsidian1723> cool
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