#ubuntu-translators 2011-03-01 <dpm> good morning all #ubuntu-translators 2011-03-02 <dpm> good morning all <chilicuil> hi there, what should I do if I want to fix some typos in po/ files?, in bug 725217 typos are in html & po files, the patch attached modify the html files but not the po/ ones, should I fix them as well, or is any other path I should follow?, I've already asked in #ubuntu-bugs and some guy there have told me I should ask here <ubot4> Launchpad bug 725217 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Typos in Edubuntu 11.04 slideshow (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/725217 #ubuntu-translators 2011-03-03 <dpm> good morning all <damascene> good morning dpm <dpm> good morning damascene :) <damascene> do you have countdown timer for translation last chance? <dpm> damascene, no, I haven't, but it would be cool to have one :) <damascene> sure <damascene> dpm: why every link I found for translation has mavrick in it? <damascene> should not it be directing to the latest release? <dpm> damascene, that's because we don't change the translation focus until near to string freeze, but I guess I could change it... <dpm> string freeze is in a month's time. What do everyone else in the channel think, would you like to have the focus set to natty already? <damascene> string freeze or translation freeze? <damascene> I mean no more translation would be accepted after one month or no more changes to the english origin? <dpm> damascene, there is no translation freeze. There is only string freeze (or rather UI freeze) and translation deadline. They mark the start and end of the translation activity, respectively <damascene> I see #ubuntu-translators 2011-03-04 <damascene> Hi, <damascene> sadly the alternate install start with only one translated dialog <damascene> where I can translate that? <damascene> does it share some of it's strings with the normal installer? <damascene> sadly the alternate install start with only one translated dialog, where I can translate that? does it share some of it's strings with the normal installer? <dpm> good morning all!!! <damascene> good morning dpm <damascene> sadly the alternate install start with only one translated dialog, where I can translate that? does it share some of it's strings with the normal installer? <damascene> actually there is more than one dialog but it's not completed <dpm> hey damascene <dpm> let me have a look, I have to remind myself <dpm> damascene, I think the alternate installer translations are in the debian-installer template, IIRC. What are the actual texts that appear untranslated? <dpm> happyaron, I've finally come round to add your feedback on charset detection on the https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-design-n-china - I've lightly edited it to cut down to the essential bits. If you'd like to add anything else, feel free to edit the whiteboard <dpm> And thanks a lot for the feedback! <damascene> dpm: http://uppix.com/f-clock4d70c9e70009499a.png <happyaron> dpm: thanks! I've read that, :) <dpm> cool :) <damascene> dpm: do you know how do I create image based countdown timer? <damascene> I want to create countdown timer for translators <dpm> damascene, no, sorry, I've never created one. Perhaps you could try to contact the people who create the official Ubuntu countdown banners <damascene> dpm: and where I can find them? <dpm> I'd recommend googling for them, as I don't know them either #ubuntu-translators 2011-03-05 <andrejz> Hello! anyone already using 11.04? <trijntje> andrejz, just installed it in vbox, not yet on my main system <andrejz> i am running it on my netbook for some time and i noticed some non-latin characters were not displayed properly in terminal <andrejz> and i was wondering if someone can confim this for their language <trijntje> im on a Dutch (nl) system, so I dont think I have non-latin characters <andrejz> ok thanks. i will ask dpm on monday if he has any more info about this <artnay_> will you guys keep unity's launcher as "Launcher" or will there be a translation in your language? <andrejz> we will translate it <artnay_> we had a translation but seems like didrocks has changed already made translations into English form (Launcher) <artnay_> Keep In Launcher PidÃ¤ Launcherissa Translated by Didier Roche on 2010-06-17 <artnay_> it seems an earlier translation has overwritten a newer one... <andrejz> i think that is not supposed to happen #ubuntu-translators 2011-03-06 <trijntje> Hi all, is there a way to review suggestions done in launchpad offline? For example to get them commented out in a .po file? <UncombedCoconut> Hi! I'm trying to test an app's translation on an Ubuntu system. Is this room the right place to ask for help? #ubuntu-translators 2011-03-07 <dpm> good morning all <TLE> good morgning <TLE> og my, monday! __morning__ <TLE> dpm: Just a reminder, we have a lang pack update starting this thursday, will you keep on top of the build and announce if succesful ? <dpm> hey TLE, yes, I mentioned it on the translators list last week <dpm> (and good morning :) <TLE> dpm: D'oh! * TLE returns to caching up on old email <dpm> TLE, but nevermind, thanks for the heads up, though :-) <TLE> np <andrejz> hello dpm! i have a question/problem for you <dpm> hey andrejz :) <TLE> oh meant caTching up, though caching would be very handy too, suppose one could mentally cache the emails before going to boring meetings <dpm> :) <TLE> on the other hand, that is what internetphones are for * TLE hugs his HTC Desire <andrejz> sorry for the delay , running 11.04 alpha (sometimes things become slightly ackward when doing upgrades) ;) <andrejz> the problem is once again with apt related programs <andrejz> encoding is incorrect for some strings. <andrejz> i went to check it out and launchpad suggests i translated them "In upstream" on 2011-02-23 although i haven't touched apt since december <dpm> andrejz, could you point me to the particular strings? <andrejz> sure - https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/apt/+pots/apt-all/sl/+translate <andrejz> You can see all these versions In upstream suggested by me on 2011-02-23 <andrejz> i have no idea where they come from <andrejz> i have manually owerwritten them <andrejz> but the same thing has happened in the beginning of december in maverick <andrejz> (just before the proposed language pack update <andrejz> i am wondering if something can be done to prevent that in the future <dpm> ok, let me have a look in a few mins, brb <dpm> hi andrejz, the "In upstream" translation in https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/apt/+pots/apt-all/sl/+translate marks when an upstream translation was imported. So that means that there was a package upload around that date that contained upstream translations with the wrong encoding. I believe this is not a bug in LP, but rather that the package (be it through a translation mistake, be it to a packaging bug) contains these tr <dpm> anslations with the wrong encoding. The thing to do would be to find out the package which contains the wrong translations and take it from there. I'd recommend doing 'apt-get source apt' for the Lucid, Maverick and Natty packages, look at the translations there and find out which package contains the wrong ones <andrejz> dpm do you know in which folder does the source package get extracted <dpm> andrejz, if you do 'apt-get source <package>' the package is extracted in a subfolder generally named 'package-version' (i.e. a subfolder of the one you invoked 'apt-get source' from) <andrejz> found it thanks.. looking at the po file it seems it's exported from launchapd, all encodings are utf-8, but some strings are not encoded properly <andrejz> i found this interesting : <andrejz> "POT-Creation-Date: 2011-03-03 17:39+0100\n" <andrejz> "PO-Revision-Date: 2010-09-05 20:35+0100\n" <dpm> let me ask mvo how apt translations are handled <andrejz> does this mean trnaslations as were on 2010-09-05 are used ? <dpm> andrejz, it depends on how the file was translated. What I mean is, whether the PO-Revision-Date was updated or not. Launchpad updates it and some PO file editors do it as well. But if you edit a PO file with e.g. gedit, it will not update it for you, and you'll have to update it manually <andrejz> i translated the files on 2010-09-30 with poedit and uploaded it to launchpad and since then only done modifications in launchpad <andrejz> i have also done some modifications (in launchpad) on 2010-12-03, 2010-12-04 and 2010-12-05 <dpm> then it seems that the upstream translations coming from the package are overriding the LP translations <dpm> andrejz, I've just asked mvo (the apt maintainer) about it on #ubuntu-devel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/576915/ <andrejz> ok thanks <andrejz> so if i undestand correctly all packages come exclusively from upstream and tehrefore launchpad translations have no effect on the translations that will appear in 11.04 ? <andrejz> the thing is i talked with debian translator and he has commited translated packages (if you remember the problems originally came from debian) in december or so, so they should be ok <andrejz> is it possible i can export all translations from laucnhpad and send it to mvo and he commits it ? that should solve these problems once and for all <dpm> andrejz, you should still be able to override upstream translations through Launchpad, which comes handy for these kind of fixes, so I'm not sure why the upstream ones overwrote them. It might well have been because of the bug I mentioned a few weeks back on the translators list, which is fixed by now, but it might not have been when the translations were imported. In any case, I'd recommend re-checking that the translation fixes were a) indeed co <dpm> mmitted upstream and b) those translations included in the package <dpm> andrejz, yeah, that might be an option, I'd recommend talking to mvo directly on #ubuntu-devel. He's a nice guy, and I'm sure he'll help you if he can. Mention to him that you are in touch with the upstream translators as well <andrejz> ok i will ask <andrejz> thanks for all the help <gtriderxc> can it be my turn now to ask a question/:) <gtriderxc> the problme is: <gtriderxc> # Template âindicator-datetimeâ <gtriderxc> %l:%M %p <gtriderxc> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/natty/man3/strftime.3.html <gtriderxc> I already got from U the link above <gtriderxc> but now the question is <gtriderxc> whether I should translate the single letters or will it brake down all the time script? <gtriderxc> should I translate engligh HH:MM into Polish GG:MM?? <gtriderxc> or just leave it as is? <dpm> gtriderxc, you should only use the appropriate letters from http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/natty/man3/strftime.3.html according to your language. For example: <dpm> if the original is %l:%M %p and in Polish you don't use the am/pm specifier (the %p part), you should transltate the string to: <dpm> %l:%M <dpm> (Leaving out %p) <andrejz> or maybe %H:%M <dpm> exactly <andrejz> that's what is usually use <dpm> so you shouldn't "translate" the single letters, just adapt them to your format, if you see what I mean <andrejz> since %H means 24 hour clock <dpm> you can test the translations with the 'date' command on the command line <andrejz> here you can read what they mean -http://php.net/manual/en/function.strftime.php <dpm> for example, try running 'date +"%H:M%"' on a terminal (without the ' quotes) <andrejz> in the example returned values you can see what certain letter gets you <dpm> sorry, I meant <dpm> date +"%H:%M" <dpm> andrejz, mvo will upload the latest translations from Natty now, which contain the coding fix: <dpm> apt +1-203-976-2548) unstable; urgency=low <dpm> [ Christian Perrier ] <dpm> * Fix encoding for Slovenian translation. PO file switched <dpm> to UTF-8. Closes: #609957 <andrejz> yes, just talking to him now <dpm> Just in case, could you export the translations from LP, to make sure no work is lost? (it shouldn't, but just in case) <andrejz> yes i will, because he will also commit it upstream <dpm> cool, thanks <andrejz> thanks to you #ubuntu-translators 2011-03-08 <dpm> good morning all #ubuntu-translators 2011-03-09 <dpm> good morning all <dpm> hey happyaron, how are you? <dpm> Did your team have the chance to review the maverick ubuntu-docs from OEM we talked about a while ago? <dpm> As commented on the ML, we're aiming at a maverick langpack update tomorrow. It would have been great to include them there, but I think it's now too late. Perhaps we can include them in a later langpack update, but it'd be great to know if you're happy with them and they're safe to pick up <happyaron> dpm: sorry, no, just me checked about the existing translations and think we need a full review of all docs, I'm okay now to push an update (will be back in 11.11 series, now we're really busy with gnome3...) <dpm> happyaron, ok, so just to be clear, we can ask the docs team to export and include translations without having to wait on further review? <happyaron> dpm: yes <dpm> happyaron, ok, cool, thanks for confirming <happyaron> :) <askhl> dpm, hi <askhl> dpm, is the langpack update affected by the firefox bug (do we need to test the updated langpack after it has been fixed)? <dpm> hi askhl, yeah, I'll do the call for testing tomorrow. Thanks to pitti we could keep to the schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/MaverickLanguagePackReleaseSchedule <askhl> dpm, thanks, I'll test it in the weekend then <dpm> cool, thanks <melodie_> hi <melodie_> anyone in charge looking at his screen at the moment ? I found a problem in a yelp mo (fr) and would like to point at it #ubuntu-translators 2011-03-10 <dpm> good morning all <andrejz> morning dpm <dpm> heya andrejz <andrejz> i found some untranslated strings in shotwell in daily build of 11.04, even though it's 100% translated in launchpad <andrejz> are you aware of any problems related to his <andrejz> this <dpm> I'm not aware. Just to make sure, do you have the latest langpack update from yesterday (or Monday, can't remember exactly) installed? <andrejz> yes i do <andrejz> i am running 11.04 on netbook and i just installed it today <andrejz> do i need to reboot for this to take effect <andrejz> ? <andrejz> i also found this bug yesterday - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/732261 <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 732261 in unity (and 1 other project) "Long strings are not displayed properly in Dash (l10n) (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] <andrejz> i hope ubuntu translations has been properly added <andrejz> ;) <dpm> andrejz, you don't need to reboot, but you'll need to log out and log back in for the translations to be reloaded <andrejz> i am not sure whether i did that.. i will try it later and see if the problem persists <dpm> ok <dpm> yeah, I saw the bug above, I need to find out another similar bug I saw some time ago and see if it is a duplicate <andrejz> ok #ubuntu-translators 2011-03-11 <gtriderxc> hello? <gtriderxc> any one here? <dpm> good morning all <gtriderxc> hi <gtriderxc> "Rock Out <gtriderxc> <span foreground="#909090">Your library at your fingertips with Android, iPhone, and AirPlay <gtriderxc> Plus the Ubuntu One Music store to grow your collection</span>" <gtriderxc> can'y find out what rock out mean <gtriderxc> no idea how to translate it <dpm> gtriderxc, you'll probably have to translate it to something a bit different in your language, as it's difficult to find an equivalent expression. In Catalan we translated it to something more similar to "Music everywhere" <gtriderxc> ok and two more things but first i have to upload the screenshots <gtriderxc> http://www.marcus.org.pl/GTriderXC/annspc/1.png <gtriderxc> can You see the "Install now" button? <gtriderxc> http://www.marcus.org.pl/GTriderXC/annspc/2.png <gtriderxc> http://www.marcus.org.pl/GTriderXC/annspc/3.png <gtriderxc> the ting I can do is to change the lenght of a string on the button if You tell me where <gtriderxc> and the next problem are orphan letters: http://www.marcus.org.pl/GTriderXC/annspc/4.png <gtriderxc> leaving single letters in Polish language is considered as a mistake <gtriderxc> can I use "&nbsp;" in a string translation or will &nbsp; stay visible? <gtriderxc> *I mean leaving sungle letters at the end of the line <dpm> gtriderxc, I'm not sure if you can use &nbsp; - in any case, you should report a bug in ubiquity, as the button should grow to include all the text: <dpm> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/ubiquity/+filebug <gtriderxc> ok, i will <gtriderxc> however i can just shorten it <gtriderxc> just INSTALL instead of INSTALL NOW <dpm> gtriderxc, it's still better to report it, as it will benefit other languages which might be affected <gtriderxc> yes I agree and i will for sure <gtriderxc> but i will shorten it <gtriderxc> it' s gonna be even better cause pressng "Install now" actually doesn't starts the installotion <gtriderxc> doesnt start immediately(NOW) <gtriderxc> so I reported a bug. where can I find the button description itself? it is not in a ubiquity <gtriderxc> anyone knows where I can find a description from that button?http://www.marcus.org.pl/GTriderXC/annspc/1.png <gtriderxc> I have another translation bug. this time a seriuos one and can't find the right package to contact the right people: <gtriderxc> http://www.marcus.org.pl/GTriderXC/annspc/5.png <gtriderxc> there is a huge problem with "...something" string <gtriderxc> no Polish man will be able to understand whats all about <dpm> gtriderxc, ^^ that's been reported as bug 732261, feel free to subscribe and add your comments in there <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 732261 in unity-2d (and 3 other projects) "Long strings are not displayed properly in Dash (l10n) (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/732261 <gtriderxc> thaks <trijntje> hi all, who can tell me in what package the text on the 'next' button is located? <trijntje> It shows up in evolution, installer etc, and it has been wrongly translated in dutch for more than a year now, and I would like to fix it before natty #ubuntu-translators 2011-03-13 <trijntje> Hi all, who can tell me in which package the text for the 'Next' button is located? This button shows up during installation, in evolution during account setup etc, and it has been wrongly translated to Dutch for more than a year now <TLE> trijntje: I believe it is a standard gtk stock label <TLE> we had the same problem ;) <TLE> actually exactly the same problem, may I ask how it is translated wrong? <trijntje> usually it is translated as 'volgende' in duch, which means next, but now its 'vooruit', which means 'forwards', which is never used in dutch as far as I know <TLE> yes, the problem we had was similar <TLE> the problem probably is, that the english text actually is "Forward" <TLE> but it is off course still needed to find a translations that works in the particualr language <TLE> the label are found in the "gtk+ propoerty nicks" file <TLE> it has upstream in GNOME obviously, so if you have an upstream team translating GNOME, please contact them and ask them to make the change there as well, in stead of just fixing it in LP, in which case all the other distributions that use gnome will still have the problem <trijntje> TLE, I'm looking for gtk+ properties now to see if the string is there, thanks a lot! <TLE> trijntje: it is, I already found it;) http://l10n.gnome.org/POT/gtk+.master/gtk+.master.nl.po <TLE> second or third hit for "Forward" <TLE> no problem btw :) <trijntje> If I do translations for maverick now, will they still make it into the langpack update or not? <TLE> trijntje: I believe so <gtriderxc> hey anyone from French team? #ubuntu-translators 2011-03-14 <dpm> good morning all <arjunaraoc> Hi dpm <dpm> hi arjunaraoc :) <andrejz> good morning from me too <arjunaraoc> Hi dpm, wanted to ping you about Telugu status in Ubuntu 11.04 alpha 3. did not get a response from colin <dpm> arjunaraoc, I cannot really give you a good answer here, because I don't know the status of it in debian-installer. I think the best thing is to talk to Colin directly on #ubuntu-installer or #ubuntu-devel. I'd suggest joining the #ubuntu-installer channel and pinging cjwatson. What do you think? <arjunaraoc> dpm, thanks <gtriderxc> Andre_Gondim are You perhaps from a French translation team? <dpm> gtriderxc, he's from the Brazilian team, but perhaps there is someone from the French team around <andrejz> hello dpm! <andrejz> today i noticed there are still problems with encoding of apt in 11.04 <dpm> heya andrejz <andrejz> apt has been updated last week, so i would expect translations to be fine <dpm> andrejz, could you please be more detailed? Without more context, I cannot really help. What release are you experiencing the issues in? In which release was apt updated? <andrejz> it's it 11.04 daily build <andrejz> i am testing it on my netbook <andrejz> it's the same encoding errors we have had before if you remember <andrejz> you told me that the upstream (debian) translations are being used <dpm> yes, that's correct <andrejz> and mvo made a bugfix release last week <andrejz> i also send him all the po files in agreement with debian translation team <andrejz> but encoding is still incorrect as before <dpm> ok, let me check out when the upload happened <dpm> andrejz, is this the upload -> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/apt/0.8.12ubuntu1? There seems to be no mention of the Slovenian translation updates <andrejz> wierd <andrejz> it's possible mvo forgot about this.. i will ping him and ask him.. thanks for your help again, i couldn't find the changes of this package.. now i know it's accessible in launchpad <andrejz> so i guess now i owe you 2 (or 3 maybe) beers ;) <andrejz> we can settle that in budapest ;) <dpm> hehe ;) <dpm> andrejz, for future reference, these are useful links: <dpm> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/apt/+changelog <dpm> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+publishinghistory <andrejz> thanks, saved under useful translation links category <dpm> andrejz, also, it might be worth fixing the translations in older packages as well, as unfortunately, uploads with incorrect translations from previous versions will override the fixed ones in later versions due to message sharing (bug 730610) <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 730610 in launchpad "Message sharing should prioritize translations coming from uploads for the newest distro series (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/730610 <dpm> Feel free to add your comments to the bug as well. I personally would have triaged it with a bit of a higher importance than Low... <andrejz> well we fixed the strings in 11.04 a while ago.. shouldn't that propagate to older releases automatically <andrejz> ? <dpm> that's correct, but they weren't fixed, let's say, on the lucid package. If there is a new security upload for lucid's apt, launchpad will use whatever is uploaded last, making no distinction. In this case, it will upload and propagate the lucid translations with wrong encoding, if I understood it correctly <dpm> henninge, can perhaps confirm that ^ (there's more context in the bug above) <dpm> Although I would have thought that if translations were fixed explicitly in Launchpad, they remain "sticky" and are not just overwritten by an upload <andrejz> @dpm: everything was ok both in launchpad and in actual ubuntu releases up to 10.10 <andrejz> just before first language pack update natty translations were opened <andrejz> and buggy translations were imported and hence also accepted to maverick and lucid <andrejz> we fixed that in december <henninge> dpm: yes, translations done in Launchpad will be kept over translations imported from the package. <andrejz> so now it's OK in launchpad <henninge> dpm: but if the upstream translations are fixed and that fixed version is uploaded, they become indistinguishable again. <andrejz> it's just that these translations aren't used in ubuntu <henninge> dpm: so, I can see how that could cause older uploads to overwrite new uploads <andrejz> translations were overwritten because they were imported from upstream into natty <andrejz> and than due to message sharing overwrote maverick and lucid too <henninge> dpm: but I am not sure if that is the problem here. Could it also have coincided with the "imports overwriting Launchpad" problem we had up to a month ago? <henninge> andrejz: yes, that's what would happen. So, are the natty translations wrong? <andrejz> no we fixed them all i believe, but these aren't actually used, upstream (debian translations) are, so we need to wait for update of the apt package <askhl_> Hi. Regarding imports, why not make it so people can use both the old and the new import function, and choose whether message sharing should affect the upload? After all, the members of the translation teams know what they want to do. <henninge> askhl_: you can chose by simply not configuring an upstream project. <askhl_> (not "old and new". I mean the "upload" and "import" function) <askhl_> henninge: I, as a translator, don't choose upstreams <henninge> askhl_: Right, that is something for maintainers to set up. <askhl_> But I'm still tasked with making sure that it's translated in Ubuntu, and therefore I always need to import/upload po-files when they are updated upstream <henninge> askhl_: no, upstream message sharing is meant to relieve you of exactly that task. <henninge> With upstream message sharing, the translations are imported directly from the upstream repository. <askhl_> But when is message sharing going to be activated? <henninge> askhl_: there is two types of message sharing. <henninge> "classic message sharing" which andrejz just talked about, shares translations between different series of a sourcepackage. <henninge> This cannot be (de)activated in any way. <askhl_> Right, I mean the "automatic imports" <askhl_> from upstream. <henninge> "upstream message sharing" shares translations between the Ubuntu source package and the upstream project. <henninge> If there is no upstream project configured (i.e. has no templates) then upstream message sharing is practically deactivated. <henninge> but I am saying that you want it set up correctly <askhl_> All right. Our group does most of its work upstream, so getting things from Ubuntu to upstream is not so much of a problem. Getting them to Ubuntu, however, is frequently something I've been doing manually <henninge> askhl_: If you are talking about the latest upstream translations, that is exactly the problem that upstream message sharing is solving. <henninge> With an automatic branch import from upstream, the upstream translations will filter down into the Ubuntu package. <askhl_> Okay, that's excellent then. I thought that was called "automatic imports" though <henninge> askhl: automatic imports are part of that. <henninge> they only get the translations into a project in Launchpad but not down to the source package. <henninge> Upstream message sharing adds that last bit. <askhl_> Ah, I see <askhl_> So there's some upstream place (say GNOME's gedit) and then there's a Launchpad project for gedit with automatic imports from GNOME. Then there's message sharing between the launchpad gedit project and the ubuntu source packages. Do I understand correctly? <dpm> that's correct <askhl_> Thanks, henninge and dpm <dpm> no worries :-) <henninge> You are welcome ;) <askhl_> So the only thing I really need to know now is which projects have a combination of message sharing and automatic imports enabled, such that I don't have to worry about them myself anymore <askhl_> Is there a sticker somewhere on the project's launchpad page? <henninge> askhl_: right, we are working on exactly that feature atm. <henninge> askhl: http://people.canonical.com/~henninge/mockups/ <askhl_> That'll be really great <askhl_> But which projects have it enabled as of now? :) <henninge> askhl_: which package? apt? <henninge> askhl_: You can see the upstream connection on the packages overview page. <askhl_> Let's say gdm. So I can follow the upstream connection link to https://launchpad.net/gdm <askhl_> https://translations.launchpad.net/gdm/main <-- ah, there <askhl_> So it says it doesn't automatically synchronize <askhl_> meaning I'll have to manually import when we update GNOME upstream, but all right, the information *is* there. Thank you for all the information * TLE can hardly sit still, thinking all the goodness this feature ^^ will yeild <dpm> :-) <costales> Hi! Can anyone provide assistance in this bug, please? https://bugs.launchpad.net/gui-ufw/+bug/729814 Thanks in advance! <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 729814 in gui-ufw (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "gufw installs translation files in /usr/share/locale-langpack (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Opinion] <dpm> hi costales, let me have a look <costales> thanks dpm <dpm> costales, ok, replied to the bug <costales> thanks dpm :D <dpm> costales, no worries, let me know if there is anything I can help with :-) <costales> ;) <costales> I must go <costales> good bye and thanks ;) <andrejz> hello! does anyone else use 11.04 and notice high cpu usage of x.org and poedit if poedit is running? <dpm> andrejz, no, sorry, I haven't been using poedit for a while <gtriderxc> is anyone here? #ubuntu-translators 2011-03-15 <dpm> good morning all! <gtriderxc> hi <gtriderxc> "There is no easter egg in Unity" <gtriderxc> "Still no easter egg in Unity" <gtriderxc> what is an easter egg?? <dpm> hi gtriderxc -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_egg_%28media%29 <gtriderxc> sorry but I wouldn't even think about looking for it in Google or Wikipedia:) <dpm> :) <andrejz> Hello dpm! i have a question yet again <dpm> hey andrejz, sure, shoot! :-) <andrejz> As i mentioned before Shotwell is still not fully translated in 11.04 even thought it's fully translated in launchpad - see here http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1450316/slika-1.png <andrejz> i also checked the latest .pot file and the string is not in there <andrejz> also the nice script didin't dind where the string comes from <andrejz> you can see some strings are translated while others are not <dpm> ok, let me download the source and see... <dpm> andrejz, it seems that the string is marked for translation: <dpm> $ grep -R "There are currently" * <dpm> src/Page.vala: set_page_message(_("There are currently no items on this page")); <dpm> But upstream ships an outdated .pot template <dpm> I'd suggest filing a bug upstream, so that they update the template they ship <andrejz> ok thanks <dpm> andrejz, usually, even if upstream ships an outdated template, the Ubuntu package should rebuild it, so it wouldn't be a problem. But in this case, they don't seem to be using intltool to update the template <dpm> so the Ubuntu package cannot update it <dpm> I'm wondering how they generate it though <andrejz> i am also a translator upstream <andrejz> and for version 0.9 this string was not included in shotwell <dpm> yeah, because the template is not up to date there either, I guess <dpm> andrejz, if you file the bug, please give me the link and I'll comment on it as well <andrejz> ok i will <andrejz> dpm: http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/3356 <dpm> andrejz, comment added, thanks <andrejz> thanks to you too #ubuntu-translators 2011-03-16 <dpm> good morning all <gtriderxc> Hi I found a bug in translation and want to correct it but need Your help. I'd like to know where can I find the strings of a manager that we can see when we hit CTRL+ALT+DEL I mean the strings: shut down, reboot, hibernate, suspend etc.? <dpm> gtriderxc, the ctrl+alt+del functionality was disabled a couple of cycles ago IIRC, but I think these strings come either from gnome-power-manager or from gnome-session/session-indicator <gtriderxc> my ctrl+alt_del still works:) <gtriderxc> almost <gtriderxc> the problem is: shu_t down AND reboo_t >>> _t keyboard shortcut <gtriderxc> however I'll try to fix it for people using 10.04 <gtriderxc> their ctrl+alt+del should still work #ubuntu-translators 2011-03-17 <dpm> good morning all! <henninge> Hi dpm! <dpm> hey henninge, good morning, I'm in your country this week, working from KÃ¶ln ;) <henninge> dpm: oh, cool! You missed the carnival, though ... ;) <henninge> Or was there a carnival in Valencia, too? <dpm> henninge, I know, we missed it for just one week :(, but school holidays in Valencia did not align well with that. In Valencia it's Falles time this week: <dpm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falles <andrejz> morning everyone <andrejz> dpm i am glad to report apt translations are fine again with today's update <andrejz> but i was wondering if there are any other programs in ubuntu you know of for which launchpad translations are not used (besides apt and debian-installer) <dpm> hey andrejz, \o/ for apt translations :) <dpm> as per the question, some of them are listed in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/#Special%20translations <dpm> if you find any other, feel free to ping me or add it to the list there <dpm> language-selector translations are also not updated with language packs, but only at the end of the dev cycle, IIRC. That's because during installation translations must be in the source package before the language packs are installed <andrejz> yes, but for these translations in launchpad are used right? <dpm> yeah <andrejz> only difference is the translation deadline and the fact they don't update after stable release (yet) <dpm> exactly <andrejz> so if i translate ddtp in launchpad it will be included in 11.04 <dpm> yes <andrejz> good <andrejz> i was wondering if there is any other package like debian installer, because i fixed this bug in translation a long time ago and noticed it was still there and only later found out that debian translations are actually used.. there are no more cases of that kind besides apt and debian-installer ? <dpm> andrejz, firefox is similar, but let me explain it to you in a bit, I've got a phone call in a few minutes and I need to prepare something for it <andrejz> ok <andrejz> i think that xdg-user-dirs is also a non-langpack package <RawChid> Good morning <RawChid> Anyone here who translates for Natty? <RawChid> I'm a member of the Dutch Translators Team and am curious how other teams keeps track of the transaltions <RawChid> We use a wiki so each member can "reserve" it's own packages <head_victim> That's a lot more organised than I've seen <RawChid> What did you saw? <dpm> hi RawChid, good morning, we do the same in the Catalan team, and other teams as well. The Brazilian team have got a bit more automated method, as I seem to remember they write automatically to the wiki the packages needing translations. I think the best thing is to ask on the ubuntu-translators list <RawChid> We have also aspirant members, so DO need review of the full members with more experience <dpm> and I'm sure people will be more than happy to share their workflows <RawChid> Yeah, that's why I asked <RawChid> Fot the Dutch team I wrote a script to generate those wiki pages <RawChid> Maybe it's useful for other teams http://rachidbm.appspot.com/ <dpm> RawChid, wow, that's really awesome! <dpm> RawChid, do you think you could add a drop-down menu to select the locale, so that every team could generate their own pages? I.e. so that the URLs don't always point to the 'nl' version <RawChid> Hmm dpm, didn't think of that. Now you can add any URL. <RawChid> But the dropdown is a nice feature <RawChid> The point is that you once (when you start) have to search the right URL, en paste it into the text field. When this is done, you can directly generate a new page via the link on the wiki <dpm> ah, you're right, I did not notice the LAUNCHPAD_URL part <dpm> RawChid, this is really cool, you should definitely post it to the translators list, I'm sure teams will find this extremely useful <RawChid> I'm glad to hear feedback and suggestions for improvement. <RawChid> Oke, I'll do that dpm <dpm> RawChid, yeah, in case you haven't done that yet, my recommendation would be to host the code in Launchpad, and use the bug tracker there. This way people will be able to contribute not only with feedback opening bugs, but also with code branches <RawChid> Oke, the code is already in Launchpad. But on my account <RawChid> Is it an idea to host it under https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations ? <dpm> RawChid, sure, you can choose to host it there or as a project of its own, whatever you prefer <RawChid> Thnx for you insights. I'll look into setting up or joining a LP project. When that is rolled out, I'll post it on the mailing list <RawChid> your* <RawChid> dpm, do you have a suggestion for a proper/informative name? I was thinking of launchpad-status <dpm> RawChid, launchpad-status might be a bit too generic (i.e. launchpad contains more than just translations). What about ul10n-wiki-stats? ('u' for 'ubuntu', 'l10n' for localization) - or perhaps a completely different name? <RawChid> ul10n is great! I saw that in other projects too <ashams> dpm: would you please help me here: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/149205 <dpm> hi ashams, sure, let me answer it tomorrow, though, I'm about to go now <ashams> dpm: thank you #ubuntu-translators 2011-03-18 <dpm> good morning all! <TLE> dpm: Hey <dpm> hey TLE, how's it going? :-) <TLE> dpm: good thank you, think I'll get started with some GNOME translations this weekend for gnome 3.0, that'll be fun <dpm> yeah, we started a while ago, lots of changes recently <TLE> The reason I wrote was that I just saw your last blog update: https://davidplanella.wordpress.com/2011/03/18/call-for-maverick-language-pack-update-testing/ <dpm> yeah, we had to re-issue the call due to fixing a bug in the langpacks last week <TLE> and I think you included the wrong link. In the notes session you describe the languagpack testing scehdule, but you link to the general release schedule <dpm> ah, bummer, thanks for noticing, let me change that! <TLE> your welcome <dpm> done, thanks :) <TLE> np <gtriderxc> "If you want to display the desktop in a different language than this, please select it in the "Language" tab. <gtriderxc> Hence you should set this to a sensible value for the region in which you are located." <gtriderxc> Hence you should set this to a sensible value for the region in which you are located. <gtriderxc> ??>> If you want to display the desktop in a different language than this, please select it in the "Language" tab. <gtriderxc> Hence you should set this to a sensible value for the region in which you are located. <gtriderxc> why? <gtriderxc> I'm about to erase this liine from a Polish translation <gtriderxc> dpm can I? <gtriderxc> OK, I just made it looks good without erasing <RawChid> :) <gtriderxc> what is a fallback message? <gtriderxc> "Force Fallback Message to show" <gtriderxc> ? <askhl> gtriderxc, in which programme? <gtriderxc> just a second <gtriderxc> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/gnome-session/+pots/gnome-session-2.0/pl/+translate?show=untranslated <askhl> fallback would be a kind of "reserve", something it uses when whatever it is doing doesn't work out <askhl> ahh, so the session can fallback <askhl> mysterious... <gtriderxc> so 4 example gnome when unity deosn't start <askhl> in any case, these are gconf strings. Hardly worth bothering too much about as barely anyone will read them <askhl> yeah, it's probably a kind of failsafe session <gtriderxc> thanks #ubuntu-translators 2011-03-19 <Mirv> can someone confirm or claim otherwise that the two Gwibber settings related items in control center (system settings) are untranslated? <Mirv> the translations are available in gwibber.mo, but possibly because of a bug those translations are tried to be searched from control center's .mo or something? #ubuntu-translators 2011-03-21 <dpm> good morning all <andrejz> hello dpm! (and everyone else) I have a question for you ;) <dpm> good morning andrejz, sure :) <andrejz> i have a question about the new imports from upstream <andrejz> more specifically gnome. how often is it done? <andrejz> i have finished translating gcalctool in gnome and uploaded it to damn lies about a week ago <andrejz> and it still hasn't appeared in launchpad <andrejz> is this normal= <andrejz> ? <andrejz> dpm, not sure whether you recieved my question : i have a question about the new imports from upstream <andrejz> more specifically gnome. how often is it done? 09:31:22 <andrejz> i have finished translating gcalctool in gnome and uploaded it to damn lies about a week ago 09:32:19 <andrejz> and it still hasn't appeared in launchpad 09:32:28 <andrejz> is this normal= <andrejz> ? <dpm> sorry andrejz, I received and answered it, but the answer got lost due to irc connection problems on my side <dpm> <dpm> andrejz, I think they should happen daily, but this also depends on whether the package has already an import branch set up. henninge should be able to tell you the details when he comes around <andrejz> ok, thx #ubuntu-translators 2011-03-22 <dpm> good morning all! <andrejz> morning <RawChid> Hello <RawChid> Can anybody help me with this: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+question/149441 <dpm> hi RawChid, I started having a look at it the other day, but I got sidetracked. Let me do this now... <dpm> RawChid, ok, answered, feel free to ping me if I can help you in anything <RawChid> Great :) <RawChid> ic <dpm> RawChid, and great work btw! I find it awesome when people create translation tools <RawChid> Thnx :) <RawChid> As a developer I couldn't stand our workflow anymore, so I automated some intesive tasks :P <RawChid> Hm, in https://launchpad.net/ul10n-wiki-stats/trunk/+setbranch I try to "Link to a Bazaar branch already on Launchpad", but I can't find my branch. Do you have any idea? <RawChid> Here is my branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~rachidbm/ubuntu-translations/ul10n-wiki-stats <RawChid> Or do I need to create a new branch... And then push to that one? <dpm> RawChid, I think I'd create a ~rachidbm/ul10n-wiki-stats/trunk branch (name <trunk> as you like), so that the branches are under the ul10n-wiki-stats project <dpm> and then you select that one <RawChid> Oke, I understand now <dpm> RawChid, remember to announce the project on the ubuntu-translators mailing list, and then I can blog about it to let everyone know. I'm sure many teams will find this useful. <dpm> And you might find new contributors interested in helping ;) <RawChid> That would be great :) <RawChid> I'm changing the code so that it points to the right LP project now <RawChid> After that, I'll send to the ML <RawChid> +a mail #ubuntu-translators 2011-03-23 <happyaron> hello, where can I find the strings for logos shown here? http://imagebin.org/144461 <happyaron> got it, `locate *.icon` will give the results <dpm> good morning all! <andrejz> morning ! <dpm> heya andrejz, good morning! <RawChid> Good afternoon :P <dpm> hey RawChid :) <dpm> I saw your e-mail on the list, good job :) <RawChid> Nice #ubuntu-translators 2011-03-24 <dpm> good morning everyone! #ubuntu-translators 2011-03-25 <dpm> good morning all <RawChid> Howdy <dpm> hey RawChid <yurchor> Hi! Am I right that Ubuntu is in string freeze now? <dpm> yurchor, yep: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule <yurchor> #725217 was marked as fixed but no change in strings for Edubuntu slideshow. Something went wrong? <dpm> bug 725217 <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 725217 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Typos in Edubuntu 11.04 slideshow (affects: 1) (heat: 136)" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/725217 <dpm> yurchor, it probably needs an update of the translation template. Would you mind giving developers a heads up by mentioning this in a comment in the bug? <yurchor> Heh, to be honest, no... Sorry... Just looking, not buying, too many problems with Fedora release. :'( <dpm> ok, no worries #ubuntu-translators 2011-03-26 <Yaron-Heb> Good Morning guys1 <Yaron-Heb> ! <happyaron> how to find a string from all translations? <gtriderxc> mission impossible:) <gtriderxc> first You have to know the package <gtriderxc> happyaron <happyaron> gtriderxc: I see. but it's not impossible <happyaron> gtriderxc: download the source tarball of language packs and just grep... <gtriderxc> first of all <gtriderxc> tell me what are U looking 4 <happyaron> I want to find a buggy translation <happyaron> and grep in that way helped me out. <gtriderxc> it's not impossible but sometimes it' s like looking 4 a stone in an ocean <gtriderxc> what is that for a translation <gtriderxc> i mean which program <happyaron> well, I just didn't know which one it belonged to, now I find out it is bash #ubuntu-translators 2011-03-27 <artnay> in ubiquity-debconf, will the variable ${RELEASE} be just "ubuntu" (as in maverick) or "ubuntu release number" (as in all previous releases except maverick)? <gtriderxc> can You give me the whole senstence? <artnay> gtriderxc: there are 9 strings in ubiquity-debconf which use the variable ${RELEASE} <gtriderxc> I did them today <artnay> the problem with Finnish is that one needs to conjugate certain words <artnay> with maverick, the devs changed this variable from Ubuntu 10.10 to Ubuntu just before RC or so <gtriderxc> I'm not sure but it should be Ubuntu 11.04 <gtriderxc> the full release neme <artnay> it has always been Ubuntu <release number> <artnay> but since Maverick it's only Ubuntu <gtriderxc> oh <artnay> and they changed it way too late <gtriderxc> in Polish there is no coniugation here <gtriderxc> as usual:) <gtriderxc> thats also the way I was fighting with ubiquity slideshow <gtriderxc> fir a few weeks I tryed to find out if I can use &nbsp; direct in a translation to get rid of orphan letters <gtriderxc> no certain answer <artnay> well, we could conjugate it like "${RELEASE}a" (Ubuntua) and that would give a proper sentence in Finnish <gtriderxc> so I put the nbsp; in a string and now I am waiting for the beta release <artnay> but if the devs change it from Ubuntu to Ubuntu 11.04, the conjugation is plain wrong <gtriderxc> I think <gtriderxc> You should ask at the source <gtriderxc> I mean <gtriderxc> the fellows that care about the package <gtriderxc> only they can give You a certain answer #ubuntu-translators 2011-03-28 <dpm> morning all <happyaron> morning <dpm> heya happyaron, how are you doing? <happyaron> dpm: fine, thanks, busy but happy, :) <dpm> this is only work in progress... but look at the Galician, Bosnian, Slovenian and Asturian teams up there, impressive! <dpm> http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/stats/ubuntu-11.04-translation-stats.html <dpm> andrejz, good work! <andrejz> thanks <andrejz> and that's even before the translation maraton <andrejz> i guess it will be around 103 % after it :P <dpm> you'll run out of work! <dpm> ;) <andrejz> until ddtp packages exist i won't worry about it :) <andrejz> also documentation still awaits us.. but it would be boring, if there were no challenges left <happyaron> I think we can push some changes to ddtp project <andrejz> in addition it needs to be kept in mind we were already at 99% for 10.10, so most of the work was done on other things not included in these statitics <happyaron> the debian way is not so efficient, and the launchpad way will make people scared and tired... <happyaron> and ddtp on launchpad are just suggestions to ddtp debian, that's a bad thing in some way... <happyaron> software-center relies on ddtp heavily (IIRC), it'll be a great deal of things to be done. <andrejz> back, empathy crashed on me (running 11.04) <dpm> happyaron, have you got any plans for improvement in mind? <andrejz> @happyaron: what do you mean by suggestions? <andrejz> do ddtp translations get used in ubuntu or do only upstream translations get used? <dpm> happyaron, nightmonkey can send ddtp translations to debian already, it's just that IIRC, the maintainer upstream was busy at the time to process them <dpm> and what do you mean that the lp way will make people scared and tired? <happyaron> for debian, I can read "DDTSS is down" on debian-i18n regularly... and DDTSS needs three people to review every submission (rosetta's translations just count to one). Using the email way is making more noises. <happyaron> For launchpad, it's a huge project in a single template, which make people feel tired and don't like to continue <happyaron> we may split the template into more detailed categories and make each template smaller * happyaron poor andrejz <andrejz> i am a victim of empathy bug <andrejz> excuse me for continious leaving/coming again <andrejz> happyaron, you worte something ? <happyaron> andrejz: will send to you via private msg, :) <andrejz> anyway i was going to say i translated ddtp main and i believe it could easily be seperated in the strings that make sense and thnd the ones that dont <andrejz> for exmaple <dpm> happyaron, ok, gotcha <andrejz> as i already mentioned to happyaron <andrejz> my experience with ddtp is the following: <andrejz> ddtp main has 17000 strings 12:43:47 <andrejz> 7000 are either python bindings, libaries for something and obscure x modules <andrejz> additional 1500 are translations for gnome and kde packages (8 strings per language) <andrejz> i was planning to do all the package but got frustrated (also by the length of the package - you work the whole day and make a lousy percent or so ?) and also by this advanced strings, like libbrasero, which are utterly useless in my opinion <andrejz> no user is going to go and look libbrasero <andrejz> User will go and install brasero and doesn't care for all the libaries it needs, system installs it for him <andrejz> the same goes for ddtp main universe which i started a couple of days ago <andrejz> so my suggestion is <andrejz> at least get all the libaries and phython bindings into some sort of advanced package <andrejz> I am translating ddtp solo, because i believe many newer membes will be intimidated by sometimes highly technical strigns they don't understand <andrejz> any additional categories (besides libaries and phython bindings would be nice), but i think this is the absolute minimum <andrejz> i think about 30-50 % are either a libary or phython binding <andrejz> any opinions here? <happyaron> +1 from me <andrejz> again my technical knowledge is slightly above avereage and i have almost 0 programing / packaging knowledge, so i cannot estimate how difficult would be to implement this <andrejz> it would be great if somebody from launchpad team could comment on this <dpm> andrejz, these are all good points, but we need people to be aware of them to even consider working on them. What I would suggest to do is to get a discussion started by sending an e-mail to the launchpad-users list and cc mvo (at) ubuntu (dot) com <dpm> happyaron, andrejz, in any case http://nightmonkey.ubuntu.hu/ does help <andrejz> that link is rather usefull, thanks dpm <dpm> hey translators, if you want to share your experiences, there is a session on how to run translations jams on #ubuntu-classroom in 10 min <dpm> do come along! <dpm> :-) <Andre_Gondim> hi dpm can you help me to solve this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/743153 <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 743153 in ubuntu-translations "Description of
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