#ubuntu-motu 2005-11-01 <PlanarPlatypus> does anyone know where I would file a bug against the eclipse packages? bugzilla.ubuntu.com is being obtuse at me <HiddenWolf> malone <HiddenWolf> launchpad.net/malone/ <PlanarPlatypus> HiddenWolf, thanks <HiddenWolf> PlanarPlatypus, np <chillywilly> lalallaa <HiddenWolf> http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/a_bad_taste_in_the_mouth_detailed_ubuntu_patch_review-2005-10-13-03-57.html <HiddenWolf> *ouch* <Riddell> siretart, _Tonio_: the kdelibs4-dev problem is that some far off dependency didnt want to install, no idea if it's been solved <Kyral> sup people :D <ajmitch> discussing ubuntu problems with debian people <Kyral> Ummm <Kyral> Leave me outta it :D <ajmitch> yeah <ajmitch> a lot of it is how ubuntu people (especially MOTUs) don't do much to work with debian <Kyral> Hey I have an escuse, I never used Debian ;P <ajmitch> not much of an excuse * Kyral shrugs <HiddenWolf> ajmitch, read that link I posted. It's painful. :( <ajmitch> considering how 99% of what we do is changing debian packages :) <Kyral> I don't really care either way <HiddenWolf> Kyral, you should <ajmitch> HiddenWolf: I've seen it on planet debian <Kyral> "Humanity Towards Others" remember? <HiddenWolf> Kyral, pissing off debian is not a good plan. <HiddenWolf> Kyral, working together saves time and effort, keeping them happy keeps us happy too <ajmitch> we have enough problems with debian already * Kyral shrugs <ajmitch> I'm putting together a wiki page about this <HiddenWolf> ajmitch, and we should work to resolve those <ajmitch> about what MOTUs should do <Kyral> HiddenWolf, I don't know who you are, but honestly I just like to be left alone to do my work <Kyral> Politics of any kind piss me off ;P <ajmitch> it's not politics, it's common sense * Kyral holds up his hand <ajmitch> instead of us making a nice wide split with debian <_Tonio_> Riddell: thanks for the info. <Kyral> Please don't involve me in this <HiddenWolf> Kyral, it's not politics. if you can work together with debian, they will do the work for you, so you don't have to work <_Tonio_> Riddell: anyway, ther's no emergency, we can wait before upload ;) <ajmitch> Kyral: it's something to deal with as a MOTU :) <Kyral> Yah yah <Riddell> _Tonio_: what's to upload? <HiddenWolf> ajmitch, suggestion, get some good docs up in coordination with those disgruntled debian guys, and/or ask their input. <Kyral> look at my line above <_Tonio_> Riddell: packages to revu <Kyral> "Humanity Towards Others" <ajmitch> HiddenWolf: I am a disgruntled debian guy ;) <Kyral> When we signed the Code Of Conduct for Ubuntu, we swore to that motto, no? * tigger^ plans to cheat and only maintain things for which he is upstream anyway <ajmitch> Kyral: others includes debian <Kyral> Thats my point <Kyral> I'll play nice with Debian <ajmitch> good <Kyral> My point is why is there a fight about it? <ajmitch> it's not a fight <ajmitch> it's a fair list of complaints <Kyral> discussion, whatever <ajmitch> we can disagree without breaking the code of conduct <HWolf> Kyral, because we want to stay as close as possible to debian, to avoid duplication of work, and increase maintainability <ajmitch> "humanity towards others" doesn't mean a mushy lovey tolerance where anything goes * Kyral shrugs <Kyral> As I said, I stay out of politics <HWolf> Kyral, it's not politics, it's a technical issue <Kyral> Which I know nothing about <Kyral> So again I shall stay out of it ;P * ajmitch thinks it should be made part of the MOTU approval process :) <ajmitch> most people will disagree with me of course <Kyral> what should? <tigger^> ajmitch: depends what the idea is :) <HWolf> I wouldn't, but I'm not a motu. :) <tigger^> ajmitch: I have no plans to feed debian changes <ajmitch> tigger^: changes to packages in debian <Kyral> I'll give my bugfixes to Debian and vice versa <tigger^> debian don't carry my stuff <ajmitch> tigger^: which is fine * dredg exudes mushy lovey tolerance in ajmitch's general direction <Kyral> Ubuntu shouldn't become Debian. Isn't the right to fork a part of the GNU philosopy? * ajmitch waves a hammer in dredg's direction :) <marcin> hi all <tigger^> ajmitch: quite :) <ajmitch> Kyral: a fork is what we don't want to be <HWolf> Kyral, we're not, and will not be debian, but we don't want to fork <ajmitch> not in the sense of a full split * Kyral shrugs <HWolf> Kyral, we want to take advantage of those ~1000 developers, and improve <HWolf> Kyral, where we can give back, we should. <marcin> got a question - could someone tell me if doxymacs package is buildable in breezy repo? <Kyral> Do I think Ubuntu should be binary compatable with Debian, yes <dredg> Kyral: uh, a handful of MOTUs replicating the work of 1000 debian developers is... a bit of a task <Kyral> I should be able to install something from Sid without Sid trying to replace X <ajmitch> binary compatibility is hard, you're talking about getting closer to debian than we are now * Kyral shrugs <Kyral> I'm better with code than I am with words my friend ;D <ajmitch> sid is always moving, we freeze <Kyral> which is something I like sometimes (Why do you think I jumped to Dapper so fast? I got BORED ;P) <Kyral> I can tell you somethin' I don't like. Having to "have" Ubuntu-Desktop to upgrade properly. Can someone explain that to me? :P <ajmitch> Kyral: how else would you like to get the new desktop components? <Kyral> By having the packages installed.... <schweeb> ubuntu-desktop ensures that you have the entire desktop distributoin <ajmitch> I said new ones <ajmitch> not existing packages, which have to be fetched somehow <tigger^> including nano * tigger^ boggles <Kyral> I don't know. But don't make it so that you have to reinstall Ubuntu-Desktop <tigger^> quite how that's a desktop thing I dunno <schweeb> there's no way around it Kyral. <Kyral> Yah there is. Make a meta pack <Kyral> with all the new stuff <schweeb> it IS a meta package.... <dredg> Kyral: it's a core package that pulls in other packages as needed * Kyral falls down <Kyral> I know what Ubuntu Desktop does <ajmitch> then why suggest something identical? <schweeb> ubuntu-desktop is the tie that holds the whole desktop distro together <Kyral> I'm not. You said Ubuntu-Desktop is needed to pull in all the NEW desktop components <schweeb> the new ones, and the old ones <Kyral> well, what if I don't use some of the packages in Ubuntu-Desktop? <schweeb> Kyral: say a package name changes <Kyral> I personally have a very customized system that I don't want to be cluttered <schweeb> you put a conflict in ubuntu-desktop <ajmitch> eg mozilla-firefox ->firefox <schweeb> and the old package is removed <Kyral> schweeb, do what they did with the FireFox package <schweeb> and the new package is added <Kyral> transitional package <schweeb> that gets sloppy <Kyral> No kiddin <schweeb> you're just being stubborn. <tigger^> PlanarPlatypus: working fine now ;) <schweeb> ubuntu-desktop is THE way to do it <tigger^> Kyral: I have to say, coming from what I used before, it sucks having to have certain things installed :) <schweeb> if you don't like it, it is possible to work around it <PlanarPlatypus> tigger^, excellent. Fyi eclipse now works, bit of a hack needed but it works <Kyral> That I may be. But I just think I should be able to jump releases without having to reinstall a bunch of stuff that I'm only going to remove immediately <schweeb> you could always manually query ubuntu-desktop, and manually upgrade the packages you know of <Kyral> This is an idea. But if you read the documentation on how to upgrade to Breezy it makes it sound like you absolutely must have Ubuntu-Desktop installed <ajmitch> because the upgrade procedures need to be as simple as possible <schweeb> that's the Ubuntu Approved (tm) way to do it * Kyral shrugs <schweeb> if you want to do it otherwise, it's your perogative <Kyral> I know I know. For the beginners. I'm a power user :D <schweeb> then you don't need the docs <schweeb> and can figure it out yourself <schweeb> *shrug* <Kyral> Just wanted to make a suggestion for us non-beginners <whiprush> the beginners won't remove ubuntu-desktop. <schweeb> I'm a power user, and I find it easier to do it the right way *shrug* <whiprush> and the experts know to read documentation <Kyral> They may by accident <ajmitch> whiprush: nice to see the universe tour on the fridge <Kyral> Removing Evolution for one <ajmitch> I doubt I've got ubuntu-desktop installed, and I can manage upgrades <Kyral> Anyway, I've stirred up enough trouble for one day * Kyral goes to sit in his corner <ajmitch> nothing compared to the trouble I can stir up >:) <Kyral> Which is why I'm shutting up ;P <whiprush> ajmitch: yeah woo! <marcin> guys where can I find build log reports produced by lamont? <marcin> i forgot url <marcin> ok nevermind got it <ajmitch> afternoon all <ajmitch> hi Arrogance, how are you? <ajmitch> going to turn up at UBZ? <Arrogance> I'm tempted. You going? * Kyral starts installing XFCE <ajmitch> sure <Arrogance> is it safe for 2 Andrew's to be in Montreal at the same time? <Arrogance> jb might be too confused <Kyral> lol <Arrogance> :) <ajmitch> I think he'll manage <Kyral> As long as its not two hurricane Andrews ;P <ajmitch> it's confusing enough with jblack & jbailey :) <ajmitch> or jdub & jbailey <jtan325> hi, if i am the maintainer for something that's in the repos, how do i request a newer version to be uploaded? <ajmitch> jtan325: you give us a link to a package that's newer? and then we can get it in dapper <ajmitch> jtan325: or if the new version is in debian, it'll get synced automatically until UVF <jtan325> [ spacey ] <jtan325> whoops <ajmitch> ? <jtan325> http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/jtan325/conky/ <jtan325> 1.3.3 is the newest version <jtan325> 1.3.1 is what's currently in the repositories <ajmitch> and you've talked to your debian sponsor? <jtan325> no, i sent an email today <ajmitch> because that way avoids duplication of work, and avoids breaking syncability <jtan325> ok, i'll wait for a response from him then <jtan325> thanks <ajmitch> as soon as we upload something with a version like -0ubuntu1, it'll stop automatic syncs in future <dholbach> hellas <ajmitch> hey dholbach <ajmitch> how are you? <ajmitch> not in .ca yet? ;) <dholbach> not yet, no <dholbach> you? <ajmitch> no <ajmitch> I leave tomorrow morning <dholbach> i'll be there on 19th <ajmitch> 29th? <dholbach> 29th, yes :) <ajmitch> I'll get in a few hours before you <dholbach> we'll be quite a bunch motus :) <ajmitch> yep <dholbach> ... of ... <Treenaks> I'm arriving on the 29th as well, but in the evening <Treenaks> 19:25 local time <dholbach> so we'll be the guys that complain about jetlag? ;) <ajmitch> hah <ajmitch> of course <Treenaks> dholbach: no, if you arrive in the evening, you'll be exhausted (I mean, timezone-corrected it's 00:30) <Treenaks> dholbach: so you get a good night of sleep, and it's 9:00 in the morning :) <Treenaks> dholbach: minor jet-lag :) <dholbach> i arrive at 12:00 :) <sivang> Treenaks: I will arrive in the evening, guess it will be good for sorting the timezone <sivang> :) <pef> someone knows a simple way to get his gpg passphrase cached ? I can get something working using kgpg/pinentry-qt/gpg-agent. Only seahorse (gnome) works fine. Any idea for a Kde based solution ? <sivang> pef: why do you need to cache it? <pef> sivang: debuild packages again and again :) <sivang> pef: ah :) <sivang> pef: I don't mind entering mine everytime, it makes it secure :-) <zyga> morning <pef> zyga: morning <\sh> moins <zyga> pef: seahorse <pef> sivang: mine is realy a "phrase", and is longer to type <\sh> seahorse is bad <zyga> pef: ah sorry didn't read to the end <Mithrandir> pef: why are you signing stuff you don't upload? <pef> Mithrandir: musn't I sign sources packages when I run dpkg-buildpackage ? <pef> Mithrandir: when I upload something to revu, dput seems to check my sig <sivang> pef: how long ?:) * sivang wonders why his public key is realtively shorter then others he'd seen <sivang> when exported with --armor <zyga> oh side question <Treenaks> sivang: maybe you have less signatures on it <Nafallo> is it supposed to be no sound in monkey-bubble? <Treenaks> sivang: or less uids, or the key has less bits :) <zyga> when I build stuff with dpkg-buildpackage seahorse works fine and asks for passphrase <zyga> when I build stuff with debuild it never works, I'm asked to type the passphrase in the shell and it's aways incorrect <zyga> Nafallo: you need the sound package AFAIR <Nafallo> where is that then? <pef> zyga: I find this as a bug in bugs.debian.org, very old bug I remember <Nafallo> nope, there are /usr/share/monkey-bubble/sounds/* <zyga> Nafallo: hmm, used to be split up.. <pef> sivang: 2.5Ko <Nafallo> zyga: you're not thinking of frozen-bubble then? <zyga> Nafallo: ahhh <zyga> Nafallo: sorry, similar name <sivang> Treenaks: If you look at it (from lp) can you tell me what you think? <pef> go to motorcycle lessons, bye ! <sivang> Treenaks: btw, as more signatures I have, the longer it gets? <Treenaks> sivang: yes, because those will be exported too (so when you import, you get all signatures back :)) <\sh> Treenaks: thx for your comment ;) <Treenaks> \sh: np ;) <\sh> Treenaks: but as i said yesterday, my HG looks better then me in the moment <Treenaks> \sh: I'll compare again in Montreal <ajmitch> hmm, people alerting the u-devel mailing list about dapper bugs already? ;) <\sh> damn...i won't make it to get an appointment for a hairdressre <sivang> \sh: I hope you feel better soon <ajmitch> \sh: I'm sure we can sort something out in montreal for you ;) <sivang> ajmitch: lol, then it would be for me as well <\sh> so...I my hair will grow <\sh> another long haired motu for the future ,) <ajmitch> haha <ajmitch> not nearly as long as some <\sh> ogra is my idol ,) <ajmitch> yeah <sivang> lol <\sh> i wonder if he found a hostel or hotel room now...he should be in montreal <ajmitch> he has <\sh> great <ajmitch> 11:04 < ajmitch> in montreal already? <ajmitch> 11:04 < ogra> yup <ajmitch> 11:04 < ogra> since 10 min in the hostel <Treenaks> cool <Mithrandir> screen -rd <Mithrandir> heh, oh well <Treenaks> Mithrandir: wb :) <_Tonio_> morning all <thesaltydog> I have seen that bum has been synched in dapper. Today there is a full new v.2.0.0 available on debian. Is there any motu that can sync this new version? * \sh is doing some real life work....brb <dholbach> it will be autosynced <thesaltydog> grazie daniel <thesaltydog> I didn't know about this autosynching process. <zyga> Lathiat: hi <Lathiat> zyga: sup <ajmitch> hello zyga <zyga> Lathiat: do you know anything about lucas' cooperation with debian? <zyga> ajmitch: hi :-) <Lathiat> zyga: whos lucas? <Lathiat> as in irc nick lucas? <zyga> Lathiat: yes <Lathiat> no idea <zyga> lucas: ping * zyga didn't notice lucas is here <lucas> zyga what do youi mean ? <zyga> lucas: you were saying that ruby should be fixed in debian and then synce <zyga> I was wondering wether there is any progress in this matter <Lathiat> whats wrong with it? <Lathiat> which bug? <zyga> Lathiat: generic ruby issues <Lathiat> bug no? <zyga> Lathiat: packaging scheme and such <zyga> Lathiat: I'm not sure there is any but somene might correct me <Lathiat> its hard to fix bugs <Lathiat> if there is no bug <Lathiat> :) <Lathiat> there should be one, at least in ubuntu, if not debian <lucas> what are the problems with the packaging scheme ? * zyga must need memory chip replaced <zyga> lucas, Lathiat: maybe I've confused something - I feel terrible today <\sh> re <pef> \sh: re :) <\sh> sivang: just packed the book of bob young in my bag <ajmitch> hmm, bags <ajmitch> I should probably pack sometime ;) <Lathiat> haha <ajmitch> I've still got ~12hrs before I fly <ajmitch> plenty of time <\sh> oh well... <\sh> i'm w8ing for my washing to be finished, so that i have dry clothes for saturday ,) <ajmitch> mine is mostly dry <\sh> my first load of washing is not even finished... <ajmitch> heh <\sh> that reminds me of something...i hope my jacket is here in my flat somewhere and not in my ex-wifes house <ajmitch> mine is sitting here, got it a couple of weeks ago :) <\sh> i mean the boss one <\sh> but hey...nobody told me to take casual clothings with me...so t-shirts and warm stuff must do <ajmitch> heh <ajmitch> definitely casual <\sh> no...for me is casual something like trousers != jeans != leather <ajmitch> heh <\sh> u know..a nice boss outfit <\sh> lets check <ajmitch> when do you fly? <ajmitch> hm, someone emailing me directly asking about IDEs for doing pygtk work <Nafallo> ehm <\sh> ajmitch: saturday...means in less then 36 h <\sh> glade and emacs <Nafallo> why does monkey-bubble eat 100% CPU? :-) <\sh> or glade and vim <\sh> or eric <\sh> which is qt python stuff <\sh> but my jacket is here...and my ties as well <ajmitch> \sh: yeah, this guy looked at glade & anjuta & boa constructor <\sh> so i'm prepared <ajmitch> so I don't know what I can add :) <\sh> eric <\sh> thats all * ajmitch will suggest the use of libglade, at least <ajmitch> nah <ajmitch> pygtk <\sh> boa constructor is pygtk-wx <ajmitch> wants something to put together interfaces easily, which is usually glade <ajmitch> not that I've used it much :) <\sh> glade <ajmitch> ^ <ajmitch> \sh: you sound a lot more prepared than I am <ajmitch> and I fly in ~12 (now 11) h <HWolf> Where must I suggest packages that not in debian for inclusion into universe? <ajmitch> UniverseCandidates <ajmitch> or upload to REVU if you have a package <\sh> ajmitch: yeah..but i think i'm more nervous then u r :) <ajmitch> \sh: dunno why :) <ajmitch> all I need is laptop, ticket & passport ;) <\sh> ajmitch: just because I have problems during take offs and landings <ajmitch> ah <\sh> that means...i have to write my last will <ajmitch> I have problems having to sit in a seat & get bored for hours on end <\sh> ajmitch: oh well..this is not my montgomeryrobert@example.net, the stewardess will be a bit annoyed to come with the beer every 10 mins ,) <ajmitch> hehe :) <\sh> and i hope air canada has nice movies on the plane...just like BA <ajmitch> I'll be on an air NZ plane to the US <ajmitch> I hope I get an upgraded plane :) <dholbach> Nafallo: ouch yes, it does :) <\sh> dholbach: still in .de? <dholbach> yep <Nafallo> dholbach: I noticed on the fan and then looked at gnome-system-monitor ;-) <dholbach> now berlin, tonight, trier, saturday frankfurt :) <Nafallo> the worst thing was that it takes 100% with only the first screen up :-P <Nafallo> and that I have no sound... ;-) <dholbach> feel free to send me a patch, i will include it ;) <Nafallo> :-) <siretart> Flight 9604 from frankfurth anyone? <siretart> except \sh ;) <\sh> hehe <Treenaks> BA0435 from Amsterdam on Saturday anyone? Or BA0095 from Heathrow? ;) <siretart> ;) <Treenaks> siretart: luckily, I got another ubuntu-nl guy to come with me :) <Treenaks> siretart: so I won't be bored all the time :) <tigger^> why does dh_make create manpage files? <tigger^> I assume I can just bin them? <dholbach> depends <dholbach> does upstream ship manpages? <tigger^> Yeah <tigger^> I do <tigger^> :) <dholbach> then you can :) <dholbach> some upstreams don't :) <dholbach> then the package mainteinaer has to take care of it <tigger^> I would comment on all this packaging stuff, but I can't phrase it without sounding like a flame <tigger^> Which it really isn't <tigger^> But I'll keep quiet and just do it ;P <pef> dholbach: hello <dholbach> pef hello, how are you? <pef> dholbach: fine, thanks, and you ? <dholbach> me too, thanks :) <tigger^> what is "emacsen"? <dholbach> remove it :) <dholbach> emacs stuff <dholbach> you probably won't need <pef> dholbach: concerning this bug https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kcheckgmail/+bug/2018, can I upload the corrected package to REVU ? <tigger^> k <dholbach> debdiff? <pef> dholbach: an upload to revu makes the review faster, isn't it ? <dholbach> no idea :) <pef> eheh <pef> so I will upload both of them <dholbach> just do malone <dholbach> i have a look <dholbach> that's a problem in hoary? <pef> dholbach: I think, because package in Hoary is an old version, and I can't see any fix on hoary-updates <dholbach> is the bug in breezy and dapper too? <pef> dholbach: for breezy I have change my fix, and for dapper a sync from Debian (they have applied my fix) is needed <pef> changed my fix to apply on breezy's version <dholbach> if you can check the packages on breezy and hoary, we can push them in via breezy-updates and hoary-updates, but that's something for mdz/kamion to review <ajmitch> dholbach: hatari? how was that sponsored? <dholbach> it was an apt-get.org thing <ajmitch> changelog just doesn't say what was changed :) <dholbach> the maintainer asked me to upload it and i didnt want to ask him to change version/distribution <pef> dholbach: ok, I will try to write a patch for hoary's version. Another question, package's version on breezy is 5.3a-1build1, should I increase it to 5.3a-1build2 or to 5.3a-2 ? <dholbach> if you do a change, then it's 5.3a-1ubuntu1 <dholbach> a REAL change :) <ajmitch> dholbach: sorry to complain, I just don't like seeing changelog entries like that :) <ajmitch> since it give very little info <dholbach> yeah, i should have made a proper use of -v * ajmitch shouldn't tell off the master MOTU - you're the one who has the power ;) <pef> dholbach: applying a patch is a REAL change ? (without the patch the app doesn't work) <dholbach> no, it was perfectly right, to say that <ajmitch> pef: certainly <ajmitch> pef: any change to the source or the packaging <dholbach> pef: yes, buildN is just for rebuilds (where you just change the changelog) <pef> ok, thanks ! :] <ajmitch> ok, got ac adaptor for phone, camera & laptop <ajmitch> tickets, passport, laptop.. <ajmitch> I guess I just need to finish packing clothes :) <\sh> ajmitch: when r u arriving in CA? local time? <ajmitch> 0711 on the 29th ;) <ajmitch> (yes they put 11) <Treenaks> ajmitch: date line \o/ <ajmitch> Treenaks: yep, leave NZ friday night, arrive friday lunchtime in US :) <ajmitch> dholbach: about that Universe, MOTU, & Debian BOF.. it came out of a discussion on #d-devel earlier today <pef> dholbach: for information, only mdz approve breezy-updates changes <dholbach> pef: merci <dholbach> ajmitch: i see, yeah, we should talk about it <\sh> ajmitch: so early in the morning...+1-585-472-9035 (priv. mobile) siretart and I will arrive around 1600 at the airport...so i hope 1700 at least i'm ready to have some food and drinks <ajmitch> dholbach: I still have a bias towards getting things into debian where possible :) <ajmitch> \sh: heh ok <\sh> ajmitch: i can't speak up for siretart <ajmitch> \sh: I'll be busy at 5pm, but I should be around before then or after 6 * ajmitch can't get to church on sunday, so has to go saturday evening :) <\sh> ajmitch: send me your mobile no. so I'll send an sms <ajmitch> ok <\sh> a sms..not an sms <\sh> ajmitch: or query it ,) <ajmitch> hopefully roaming will work there <Treenaks> ajmitch: check the wiki :) <ajmitch> Treenaks: I know :) <Treenaks> ajmitch: I added a note about what _should_ work :) <ajmitch> Treenaks: I'll check it out tomorrow at the airport - I've got a 6 hour wait up in auckland :) <ajmitch> I know vodafone supports roaming there, I think I need to request it though <Treenaks> I get to try Vodafone/UK first :) <\sh> Treenaks: which wiki page? <Treenaks> \sh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero * ajmitch shoudl still have his australian SIM somewhere <Treenaks> \sh: under "Travel" <\sh> got it :) <ajmitch> when spending a couple of months in .au last year, I found it was a little cheaper to get a SIM locally :) <\sh> i hope the nokia 6100 and 6230i is triband <\sh> i never really cared <sivang> \sh: heh thanks :) <Treenaks> ajmitch: it usually is, but it's less convenient (number changes, nobody can call you, etc.) * ajmitch checked, has a triband phone :) <ajmitch> Treenaks: nah, it was convenient enough <ajmitch> I just gave people in .au my new number <tigger^> ajmitch: how do I handle adding user/group accounts for a package? <ajmitch> oh that's fun <tigger^> ug <ajmitch> something to look up in debian policy & developer's reference <tigger^> I don't like it when peopl say that ;P <ajmitch> I know :) <ajmitch> but it's the easiest way, honestly * ajmitch has to do it to a package as well <tigger^> no no <tigger^> I don't mind reading :) <\sh> ah... <tigger^> I mean I hate "that's fun" <tigger^> :) <\sh> 6230i is triband <ajmitch> http://www.us.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-best-pkging-practices.en.html#s-bpp-lower-privs <ajmitch> tigger^: there's an example there * Treenaks has a Motorola E1000 <tigger^> ok, ta <Treenaks> which is triband + WCDMA2100 ("UMTS") <Treenaks> so I can even use it in Japan :) * ajmitch has sony ericsson k700i, useful little phone <Nafallo> siemens mc60 :-P <ajmitch> \sh: sent you a test sms from here :) <Treenaks> ajmitch: need my number too? :) <ajmitch> Treenaks: sure <\sh> ajmitch: k...i'll check the mobile it has to be charged first :( <\sh> but the 6100 is as well triband <\sh> ajmitch: write down this...+1-585-472-9035 <\sh> ajmitch: it's company number, but if vodaphone is not working...german telekom has to <tigger^> ajmitch: hmm. that's kinda ugly <Treenaks> ajmitch: do you have a hackergotchi? :) <tigger^> ajmitch: handling that every time in each package which needs to do this :/ <ajmitch> Treenaks: not currently, look for UDU photos :) <Treenaks> ajmitch: ok :) <ajmitch> \sh: got it <\sh> ajmitch: send u a test message from the 160 no <ajmitch> \sh: got it <\sh> wow...fast <\sh> hehe <ajmitch> yep <\sh> works <ajmitch> we need jabber clients on phones :) <\sh> ajmitch: i tried tipic on the 6230i it ran but i couldn't get any connection to the tipic jabber server... <Treenaks> \o/ vodafone :) <ajmitch> heh <ajmitch> \sh: I wonder if there's one for my phone.. <\sh> Treenaks: i send it via t-mobile now..the vodaphone mobile is just charging :( <ajmitch> I don't have a data plan setup anyway <\sh> ajmitch: check tipic.com <\sh> ajmitch: I paid 12 for the test of tipic ..stupid gprs data fees <ajmitch> hmm, none for the phone I have :) <Treenaks> I need to hop by the vodafone store and make them tell me how to setup a GOOD umts connection <Treenaks> (i.e. one from my laptop) <Treenaks> the current connection only works with WAP traffic <Treenaks> which SUCKS * ajmitch hasn't bothered to use his laptop & the phone together for internet <ajmitch> too expensive <ajmitch> I suppose I should write down which hotel I'm going to ;) <Treenaks> ajmitch: nah ;) * Treenaks has an address + google maps printout for the Hostel -> HolidayInn route <ajmitch> I'll just say to the taxi driver - 'UBZ thanks' <Treenaks> ajmitch: "kthxbye" <ajmitch> heh <\sh> ok...i think my first load of washing is finished...lets check <\sh> brb <ajmitch> sigh <Treenaks> oh, and you'll ALL be videotaped saying that you use Ubuntu, of course ;) <ajmitch> my laptop just happens to be in a french locale now <Treenaks> ajmitch: uh.. any special reason for that? <ajmitch> Treenaks: I felt like it <ajmitch> I was playing around with the language selector :) <Treenaks> ajmitch: "It was an accident! Really!" <ajmitch> heh <ajmitch> I didn't expect the default locale to change <ajmitch> so gdm is in french now <Treenaks> Mot de passe <ajmitch> :) * ajmitch did learn french for a few years, probably good to refresh that <Nafallo> baah, be smart. do as slomo. learn swedish :-). <ajmitch> nah <ajmitch> nobody speaks swedish :) <Nafallo> well... <Treenaks> Nafallo: Swedish is just Dutch with an accent :P <Nafallo> the swedes do ;-) <Nafallo> Treenaks: tsss ;-) <ajmitch> but noone really takes notice of them ;) <Nafallo> :-P <ajmitch> Treenaks: yeah, I should learn dutch before I learn french :) <sivang> guys, do we have a godo WYSIWYG html editor in universe? <ajmitch> nvu? <Treenaks> sivang: nvu? <sivang> Treenaks: thx <Treenaks> bluefish? <dholbach> screem? <sivang> bluefish is wyiwyg ? <ajmitch> screem is wysiwyg? <sivang> more of a coding editor, IIRC <Treenaks> sivang: if you have firefox open next to it, and know your Ctrl+R, yes <sivang> I think nvu is the true one <ajmitch> wysiwyg html editing is visual layout, not writing html :) <Treenaks> it's also the name of a group of Dutch neo-nazis <dholbach> nice :) <Treenaks> dholbach: www,nvu.info <dholbach> we have them in germany too <dholbach> it's just dvu <ajmitch> we have our share of neo-nazis as well <sivang> ajmitch: whee, I LIKE! "$ avahi-broswer --all" :) <Lathiat> sivang: try 'avahi-discover' :) <Treenaks> sounds like I should install avahi before UBZ :) <sivang> Lathiat, ajmitch : do we have a GUI for those ? <Lathiat> sivang: for what? <ajmitch> avahi-discover <Treenaks> Lathiat: avahi* <Lathiat> sivang: avahi-discover *is* the gui :) <ajmitch> service-discovery-applet <sivang> like avahi integration with pYGTK gui <sivang> it would rock :) <Lathiat> sivang: it is pygtk :) <ajmitch> sivang: uh.. see those packages we listed :) <Lathiat> avahi-discover is in avahi-utils <ajmitch> s/packages/apps/ <Amaranth> Lathiat: don't you know pygtk is slow and a memory hog </d-d-l> <sivang> ajmitch: and the applet? I don't see it installed <Lathiat> Amaranth: of course, use gtk# and mono instead! <ajmitch> sivang: so get it <ajmitch> Lathiat: no <ajmitch> Lathiat: java on ikvm on mono <Lathiat> ajmitch: oh oh! <Lathiat> my bad! <sivang> ajmitch: installed it, cannot add it through "add to panle" though <ajmitch> sivang: just wait <ajmitch> sivang: gnome-panel has update issues at times <Treenaks> panle? a British panel? :P <ajmitch> wb Lathiat!!!1 <sivang> ajmitch: I'll remove and readd to the sessoin then <ajmitch> obviously I shoudl sleep ;) * sivang smiles evily seeing all those Remote Desktop discoveries on his internal LAN :) <Lathiat> Seveas: :) <ajmitch> wb Seveas * Amaranth smiles as his whois <Amaranth> thanks Seveas <Treenaks> Save As :P <Seveas> haia * ajmitch wonders whether he should ever get a cloak <Lathiat> ajmitch: of course! <Lathiat> last one ins a rotten egg <ajmitch> Lathiat: yes, but which one? <Lathiat> ubuntu, obviously <ajmitch> ubuntu cloak? DD cloak? <Lathiat> its cooler <Lathiat> i know <Lathiat> get a gentoo cloak <ajmitch> oh yeah <ajmitch> because I do -O99 all the way <Lathiat> only 99? <Lathiat> dude <Lathiat> you disappoint <Mithrandir> -O-1 is teh love <ajmitch> gcc 4.2 snapshot of course <Lathiat> haha Mithrandir <Amaranth> it's funny, most of the time all those things actually slow things down, but don't tell #gentoo that <Amaranth> and -Os is almost always the best one to use <Treenaks> all possible -fflags <Mithrandir> Amaranth: not if you have 64MB L2 caches. <Amaranth> well, sure <Amaranth> but that's an itanium <Seveas> Amaranth, after jdubs talk one of the worst gentoo-ricers I know is know using Ubuntu <Seveas> and he likes it :) <Lathiat> haha <Lathiat> man <Lathiat> i tried to install gentoo the other day <Lathiat> just for the hell of it <Amaranth> who uses an itanium on a desktop? <Lathiat> a day later i had like a half working kde <Lathiat> and my favourite games were broken <ajmitch> Lathiat: admit it, it was so that you could be cool * Lathiat hides from ajmitch <ajmitch> Amaranth: someone with shares in the power company <Amaranth> haha <Amaranth> no, you'd have a dual core xeon then <Amaranth> or a POWER5 <Mithrandir> Amaranth: hey, it's occasionally cold here in .no <Amaranth> those fsckers can use over a megawatt <ajmitch> Amaranth: a megawatt? * ajmitch finds that a little hard to believe <Amaranth> why? the dual core xeon uses like 300 <Amaranth> watts <ajmitch> kilowatt, you mean :) <Treenaks> Amaranth: megawatt = 1000000 watt <Amaranth> oh, my bad <Amaranth> early morning <ajmitch> if I had 1MW usage on my house I'd be seriously worried <Amaranth> i don't deal with measurements smaller than giga* these days ;) <Treenaks> Amaranth: jigawatts! <ajmitch> 1.21 of them, of course <Lathiat> also <Lathiat> compiling in gentoo <Lathiat> makes my laptop cpu force itself down to 800MHz <Treenaks> ajmitch: yes, but keep them away from jdub's blog :) <Lathiat> and still sits on 63 degrees :( <ajmitch> Lathiat: you do anything other than compiling? <Treenaks> Lathiat: C of F ? <Lathiat> Treenaks: C <ajmitch> Lathiat: don't worry <Lathiat> and im not so sure that that limit isnt a sensor limit, being at 63 :) <dholbach> see you later <ajmitch> my desktop still sits at ~80C <Lathiat> so maybe my poor laptop is at 1337 degrees :) <ajmitch> bye dholbach <Lathiat> ajmitch: yeh but your desktop is desktop <Lathiat> thi is a laptop <Treenaks> dholbach: bye <ajmitch> Lathiat: my desktop is a toaster <Lathiat> which after halving and locking its cpu speed <Lathiat> still is hot :( <Amaranth> ~80C in a laptop == no kids <ajmitch> hah <Lathiat> i had an old toshiba <Lathiat> and it had a fan control progrma <Lathiat> 'tfan' <Lathiat> (it would never turn itself on) <Lathiat> so i renamed it to 'i_want_to_have_kids_one_day' <Seveas> :) <ajmitch> a suitable name :) <sivang> anybody here uses p4-clockmod ? <ajmitch> hm, so what else should I remember to put on my laptop before I go? :) <Amaranth> ajmitch: lots of pr0n <ajmitch> no <ajmitch> right, need latest bzr code & plugins.. <ajmitch> and bzr branch of my scripts * netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> brown.freenode.net <tigger^> ajmitch: ok, so riddle me this.. the guide says use preinst/postinst, but our makefile chowns a file to that user <tigger^> ajmitch: so dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot barfs <tigger^> invalid user <tigger^> So.. <tigger^> eh? <tigger^> ls <tigger^> oops :) <sivang> ajmitch: it's called "Zeroconf Discovery Service" in the pannle add-to <sivang> ajmitch: looks nice, currently found only on emachine to ssh to <sivang> ajmitch: why not also adding Remote Desktop links to it? <Lathiat> sivang: i think it sees VNC ? <Lathiat> not sure * Lathiat looks <sivang> Lathiat: I saw them! Really <sivang> Lathiat: I saw them on the command line when I uses avahi-browser --all <Lathiat> right <Lathiat> the service discovery applet only shows a few known services <Lathiat> that it can launch things for <Lathiat> (thats the whole point of it) <Lathiat> i guess vnc could be added <ajmitch> tigger^: I'd say look at some example packages :) <sivang> Lathiat: can I help you with that? can I fetch avahi using jhbuild? <Lathiat> sivang: you can get avahi i think <Lathiat> but not s-d-a <sivang> ah I see <Lathiat> talk to sebest on #avahi/freenode <sivang> not in freedesktop/gnome.org ? <Lathiat> hes the s-d-a master <sivang> k, thanks <Lathiat> svn://svn.0pointer.de/service-discovery-applet/trunk <Lathiat> and <sivang> Lathiat: you're the backedn guy then? <Lathiat> svn://svn.0pointer.de/avahi/trunk <Lathiat> sivang: yeh me, and lennart <Lathiat> sebest wrote alot of the utilities <Lathiat> some other people did stuff <Lathiat> c# bindings <Lathiat> that was uh <ajmitch> snorp <Lathiat> yes <Lathiat> i keep getting him confused with slomo <ajmitch> hehe <Lathiat> because of the starting s <Lathiat> so i went to look in svn log to check <Lathiat> im terrible i know :( <Kyral> Mornin' <sivang> mornign Kyral <Kyral> hey sivang sup? <ajmitch> hello <Kyral> hey mitch <Treenaks> sivang-soup? <Kyral> lol <sivang> Treenaks: what? <sivang> Kyral: fine, you? <Treenaks> 15:05 < Kyral> hey sivang sup? <sivang> Treenaks: ah yeah :) * ajmitch wonders why people call him 'mitch' :) <Kyral> 'cause I'm too lazy to type out "ajmitch" <Mithrandir> aj<TAB> :-P <Kyral> anyway I switched over to XFCE last night <Kyral> and coming to grips with the fact that I'm gonna have to get up at 5 AM to make it to UBZ <ajmitch> that's nothing <sivang> Kyral: you're canadian ? <Kyral> sivang, American :D <sivang> Kyral: up north ? :) <Kyral> but my college is 2 1/2 hours south of Montreal <Kyral> yah, very close to the border <sivang> Kyral: Ithaca ? <Kyral> Potsdam <sivang> eh, then I don't know about it :) <sivang> Kyral: I had some freinds and family over Cornell, and some over Ithaca college - so that's the only region there I know some, the tompkins county <sivang> Kyral: (never really been there, just from photos and talks) <Kyral> Didja hear about Tompkins County? * ajmitch doesn't know anything about the region :) <sivang> Kyral: Cayuga lakes are amazing <Kyral> Go read this week's DistroWatch Weekly <Kyral> Yah mean the Finger Lakes? <sivang> Kyral: I was told one that was shown to me in photos is Cayuga lake, maybe it's one of the finger lakes, can't recall <Kyral> Cayuga, Senaca, Canandaigua, damn I forgot the other two <sivang> would relaly like to visit there <Kyral> Where are you from sivang? <sivang> but US visa is long long process for us :-) <sivang> Kyral: .IL <Kyral> .IL? * ajmitch is going to visit NY state after UBZ <Kyral> Forgive my idiot Americanness? <sivang> Kyral: nahh, Israel <sivang> :) <Kyral> ajmitch, come visit Clarkson :P <ajmitch> Kyral: as long as you know what .nz is, you're fine <Kyral> New Zealand I believe <ajmitch> :) * sivang really appriciates NY state's policy regarding outdoor/pub smoking ;-) <ajmitch> and .at? ;) <Kyral> Australia <ajmitch> nah <ajmitch> austria <Kyral> damnit ;P <ajmitch> hehe <sivang> ah,, no avahi in hoary's universe.. <sivang> shame <ajmitch> sivang: I'd be surprised if it were in hoary <Kyral> Anyway I need breakfast <sivang> ajmitch: I wanted to instal in on my hoary server <Kyral> cya all at UBZ :D <ajmitch> considering when the first release was :) <sivang> Kyral: laters <ajmitch> bye Kyral <sivang> ajmitch: backports? :) <blink> <ajmitch> sivang: please no <sivang> hehe, kidding, really <Lathiat> sivang: avahi wasnt even out at the time of hoary :) <thesaltydog> what is our policy concerning BSD-licensed software? <ajmitch> thesaltydog: 3 or 4 clause? <ajmitch> both are free software <thesaltydog> ajmitch, uh...don't know. <ajmitch> how many conditions does it have listed? :) <thesaltydog> ajmitch, so a BSD-licensed software can be uploaded to universe? <ajmitch> it only matters for things like linking to GPL software <ajmitch> thesaltydog: much of universe is BSD-licensed <ajmitch> and much of main, in fact <thesaltydog> ok. thanks.. <thesaltydog> ajmitch, it is 3 clauses <ajmitch> which is 99% of BSD software :) <ajmitch> so no problems at all <thesaltydog> thanks <pef> can someone have a look at this patch ? I think it's a gcc4 problem http://dev.erodia.net/ubuntu/ginac_const-fix.diff <ajmitch> night all <luk> DapperDrake: can I join the Dutch loco team? <luk> I'm a DD and I want to help with syncing and merging, can somebody give me a pointer where to start? <siretart> luk: thanks for your offer! Atm, we are waiting for the merging bugs to be created on bugzilla <siretart> luk: for hoary, we had an autocreated bug on bugzilla for every package which needed manually merging <siretart> luk: I think we will do the same for dapper, but I'm not really sure, because it isn't there yet. but it will come, for sure <siretart> luk: for merging work http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/ has proved to be very very useful! <luk> siretart: I tried that URL, but it just keeps loading and doesn't show anything <siretart> thats strange, that url works for me [tm] . hmm. <luk> the README worked though, and I know that there should be sub folders only not sure which ones <siretart> there is a very long list of packages for me.. <luk> oh, now it works <siretart> ah <luk> maybe related with the maintenance of launchpad etc? <siretart> perhaps a webserver restart? <siretart> I don't think p.u.c is using launchpad infrastructure <spayne> what is up with launchpad atm? <spayne> ah! i feel i belong in Ubuntu land now :) <spayne> people are not bad mouthing me as much <Mithrandir> siretart: MOM isn't running until after UBZ <luk> Mithrandir: anything else I can start with in the meantime taking in consideration that launchpad isn't available atm? <siretart> Mithrandir: aah, thanks for pointing. didn't know that <luk> no? then I'll do some upstream (= Debian) work :-) <Mithrandir> for those who wondered <Mithrandir> 16:52 < stub> launchpad is backup <siretart> whoohoo, nicer than before! :) <Lathiat> what changed? <siretart> the left bar looks nicer <ivoks> uh, loco teams are time consuming :) <\sh> re <Nafallo> \sh: morning :-) <\sh> so. <\sh> tomorrow I only have to pack my clothes in my bag ,-) <Yagisan> Nafallo: distcc work for you ? * \sh is brb restarting dircproxy <Nafallo> Yagisan: as said. I have no hardware to try it with. <\sh> hmmm <\sh> how do i setup this cloak stuff...i see it's registered to my nick...but <\sh> somehow doesn't work ;) <schweeb> I think it's gotta be setup by someone who is authorized to do so <\sh> well...it's setup already :) <\sh> (by freenode) <Nafallo> \sh: did you identify? :-) <\sh> Nafallo: whois me pls <Nafallo> \sh: odd <\sh> hmmm... <\sh> i bet it's the \ in my nick ;) <Nafallo> #hyperion for bugs? ;-) <Nafallo> or is it Seveas for bugs now? :-) <\sh> lilo was the one from freenode ? <Seveas> -NickServ- Last Seen Address: n=shermann@ubuntu/member/\sh <\sh> 19:22 -!- \sh [montgomeryrobert@example.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu <Seveas> \sh, use your nickserv password as server password <\sh> argl <\sh> ok <\sh> moment <Seveas> and indeed: bugs -> Seveas <Nafallo> hmm, works for me without using the serverpassword <Seveas> then you have a good irc client :) <Nafallo> xchat :-) <Nafallo> through \sh's dircproxy ;-) <Seveas> ah <Seveas> then it's dircproxy that takes care of it <Nafallo> yepp :-) <Nafallo> nothing sets my password except me ;-) <\sh> well. <\sh> no <\sh> 19:29 -!- \sh [montgomeryrobert@example.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu <Nafallo> \sh: Seveas for bugs :-) <\sh> yeah <Seveas> \sh, try without proxy and make sure you identified before entering a channel <\sh> well..identification is done before i entered this channel <Seveas> it must be done before entering *any* channel <\sh> Seveas: I setup dircproxy to send a server password now <\sh> 19:28 -NickServ(montgomeryrobert@example.net.)- Password Incorrect <\sh> but it's correct :) <Seveas> hmm <Seveas> you're identified now <Nafallo> I got that to. <Nafallo> hmm <\sh> 19:31 -NickServ(montgomeryrobert@example.net.)- Nickname: \sh << ONLINE >> <\sh> 19:31 -NickServ(montgomeryrobert@example.net.)- Registered: 4 years 6 weeks 2 days (5h 57m 23s) ago <\sh> 19:31 -NickServ(montgomeryrobert@example.net.)- Last Seen Address: n=sh@ubuntu/member/\sh <\sh> 19:31 -NickServ(montgomeryrobert@example.net.)- Last Seen Quit Msg: ballard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net <\sh> 19:31 -NickServ(montgomeryrobert@example.net.)- Cloak: ubuntu/member/\sh <\sh> 19:31 -NickServ(montgomeryrobert@example.net.)- Email Address: montgomeryrobert@example.net <\sh> ROTFL <\sh> 19:30 -!- End of WHOIS <\sh> 19:32 !calvino.freenode.net NickServ set your hostname to "ubuntu/member/backslash-sh" <\sh> 19:32 -!- \sh [n=sh@ubuntu/member/backslash-sh] <\sh> 19:32 -!- ircname : Stephan Hermann <\sh> 19:32 -!- channels : #ubuntu-motu <\sh> SOMEONE MADE A MISTAKE <Nafallo> hm, password works here :-) <\sh> Nafallo: the problem is the \ ,-) <Seveas> meh: --- WHOIS :Server load is temporarily too heavy. Please wait a while and try again. <Seveas> --- [\sh] End of WHOIS list. <\sh> now he got it ,-) <\sh> but wrong <Seveas> you want it to just be sh/ <Nafallo> and it seems whois removes the cloak when not identified and adds it again as soon as I identify, so being on a channel or not has nothing to do with it :-) <\sh> Seveas: no... <Seveas> i think \sh is impossible in a cloak <\sh> Seveas: the doc tells the user: the cloak consists of bla/foo/<nick> <\sh> Seveas: which means, a hostname could consists of \ or | which is not possible ;) <\sh> Seveas: so the doc is wrong <Seveas> yeah <Seveas> you should poke lilo about that, it's nothing I can solve <\sh> Seveas: yeah <\sh> Seveas: what timezone is he? <Seveas> houston <Seveas> 12:36 there now <\sh> ok...i don't wake him up ;) <Seveas> (worldclock gdesklet rocks :)) <Amaranth> how do i make my package create a symlink? <luk> Amaranth: dh_link could do that, read the manpage for more info <\sh> solved ;) <Nafallo> \sh: oh? :-) <Nafallo> hehe <\sh> Nafallo: as I said, the cloaks are following hostname rules and not nickname rules <Amaranth> hrm, i guess that works <luk> Amaranth: well don't be afraid to ask if it doesn't, I'll be happy to help <Amaranth> i just need to figure out where to put it using cdbs <luk> Amaranth: putting it in debian/<bin_package>.links will probably just work <jamessan|work> Amaranth: you could just have a debian/package.links ... yeah, what luk said <jamessan|work> :) <Amaranth> oh, cdbs calls dh_link? * Amaranth tries it <jamessan|work> if you include debhelper, yes <Amaranth> i do <Amaranth> doesn't seem to work <Amaranth> *facepalm* <Amaranth> package.links should be alacarte.links <Lathiat> such a crap name * Lathiat throws tomatoes at Amaranth <Amaranth> ok avahi <Seveas> \sh, fwiw the '/' is invalid in a hostname too ;0 <Seveas> :) <Lathiat> avahi is a great name <Lathiat> dont knock it :) * Lathiat kicks Amaranth <\sh> Seveas: yeah...but this is what they implemented <Amaranth> Yes it is, so is alacarte. :) * Amaranth kicks lamont <Amaranth> err <Lathiat> hahaha <Lathiat> NO <Lathiat> ITS CRAP <Lathiat> its official <Amaranth> you're crap <Amaranth> it's better than smeg <Lathiat> sif it is <Lathiat> people just need to have watched red dwarf, and not associate it with that other ugly thing. :) <Lathiat> Amaranth: :) <Amaranth> you're kidding me, lintian wants me to make a manpage for my symlink <Lathiat> what does alacarte mean anyway <Amaranth> *shrug* <Lathiat> Amaranth: haha <Lathiat> just made it up? <Lathiat> or what? * lamont throws Amaranth over his shoulder <Lathiat> how as it derviced <Amaranth> it's french <Amaranth> E: alacarte: python-script-but-no-python-dep ./usr/bin/alacarte <Amaranth> <--stupid lintian <lamont> Amaranth: so link the man page tool <Amaranth> err <pef> Lathiat: it means you can choose chat you want <pef> s/chat/what/ <lamont> s/tool/too <Lathiat> ah cool <Lathiat> well im going to bed <Amaranth> i've tried python (>= 2.4, << 2.5), python2.4, it's just never happy <Lathiat> night <pef> Lathiat: good night ! <Lathiat> pef: IT MAY NOT BE! <Lathiat> BUT HOPEFULLY :) <pef> ;) <Lathiat> nearly morning anyway, 2am. :) <jamessan|work> Amaranth: Depends: ${python:Depends} <jamessan|work> let dh_python handle it <Amaranth> but then i need to build-dep on python <jamessan|work> ah yeah. why not just use: python (>=2.4), python-dev (>=2.4) <ajmitch> morning all <Amaranth> ok, then how do i depend on python-gtk2? <ajmitch> ah, the wonders of sleep deprivation :) <Amaranth> python-gtk2 (>= 2.6) or python2.4-gtk2 (>= 2.6)? <jamessan|work> unless alacarte works only with 2.4, I'd go with the former <Amaranth> but what if python-gtk2 depends on python2.4-gtk2 and i'm using python2.5? <Amaranth> meh * Amaranth punts on the issue <jamessan|work> that's the fun of a python transition <Amaranth> E: alacarte: python-script-but-no-python-dep ./usr/bin/alacarte <Amaranth> grr <Amaranth> whoa, the control.tar.gz's control file inside the deb has no Depends line at all, is that normal? <jamessan|work> I've never had that happen. are you using setup.py to install alacarte? <Amaranth> yeah <Amaranth> cdbs is doing all the work <jamessan|work> and you included python-distutils? <Amaranth> yep <jamessan|work> odd <Amaranth> should it be before or after debhelper? <Amaranth> Depends: ${python:Depends}, python-gtk2 (>= 2.6), python-libxml2 (>= 2.6.17), python-glade2 (>= 2.6), python-gnome2 (>= 2.6), gnome-menus (>= 2.10), python-xdg (>= 0.15, << 0.16) <Amaranth> does that look wrong to anyone? <Amaranth> i know when my Conflicts line was invalid it was getting tossed <ajmitch> yes <ajmitch> python-xdg (>= 0.15, << 0.16) <Amaranth> what's wrong with it? <ajmitch> split that into 2 depends! <Amaranth> it worked before <ajmitch> surprising <jamessan|work> Amaranth: I include debhelper first <Amaranth> me too <jamessan|work> so, the problem is probably what ajmitch pointed out <Amaranth> yay, lintian finally shut up <Amaranth> oh, that explains why linda was dying <Amaranth> it spit out python-xdg (<= 0.15 as a part of the error <jamessan|work> might want to reportbug that so it handles it more gracefully <Amaranth> *shrug* <Amaranth> not important, i should have known when i saw the error <Amaranth> linda and lintian both like my deb, changes, and dsc <Amaranth> crap, python-libxml2 is in universe, that can't be right <Amaranth> python2.4-libxml2 is in main <pef_aw> bye ! <keyes> hello <keyes> hello siretart slomo_ <slomo_> hi keyes <keyes> I was thinking about a thing <ajmitch> hi <keyes> we don't have the right to redistribute RealPlayer, but you (Ubuntu/Cannonical) if you ask maybe they can allow you <keyes> You just give more customers to their <crimsun> we could also just provide an installer akin to multiverse's msttcorefonts <crimsun> and flashplugin-nonfree <keyes> crimsun: ? <ajmitch> crimsun: I believe there is one <ajmitch> and I believe that the general policy is no ubuntu-specific licenses which we can't grant to the users - might not apply for multiverse, but it does for main/universe <keyes> I'm speaking about an agreement between Ubuntu and Real <keyes> to ditribute Real into Multiverse <crimsun> that's precisely what ajmitch is talking about. <ajmitch> "Must not be distributed under a licence specific to Ubuntu. The rights attached to the software must not depend on the program's being part of Ubuntu system. So we will not distribute software for which Ubuntu has a "special" exemption or right, and we will not put our own software into Ubuntu and
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