#ubuntu-server 2006-01-01 <Pygi> join #ubuntu-devel <Pygi> hohoho valandil <Valandil> hi Pygi :) <Pygi> hohoho :) <Valandil> <--- has no raindeers <Valandil> ;) <Pygi> heh, :) <fabbione> http://www.local6.com/slideshow/news/3745342/detail.html?qs=;s=13;p=news;dm=ss;w=450;tn=b <fabbione> ops <fabbione> well it can be funny :) <Pygi> hehe :) <Pygi> what's that? :/ <fabbione> not exacly server related <fabbione> it's a news site for weird thing <Pygi> heh, well, not everything has to be server related :) <Pygi> holidays, holidays :) <Valandil> *giggle* <Pygi> hehe :) <Pygi> welcome Chara <Valandil> OK, n8 all :_) #ubuntu-server 2006-01-02 * #ubuntu-server [freenode-info] If you're at a conference, please contact freenode staff to make sure we've made special allowance for many users coming into our network from a single internet address ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp ). 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Thanks! <FlannelKing> what's special about ubuntu that makes its default apache install not work with mod_dav_svn and mod_rewrite? <FlannelKing> what's special about ubuntu that makes mod_rewrite not work in .conf files for modules? <Pygi> hoho etcp :) <gremid> hi, are there any release notes related to the current ubuntu server release? <Pygi> gremid: what are you interested in? <gremid> i want to know the differences between the server edition and the normal breezy release, aka. the current feature set of the server release. <Pygi> heh, differences <Pygi> tweaked kernel, and a few other tweaks <Pygi> that's mostly it :) <gremid> Pygi, thanks. <neuralis> gremid: actually, that's wrong. the breezy server kernel not tweaked in any way. the only difference is that the server edition performs a minimal package install. <neuralis> *is not <Pygi> well, breezy server kernel is not tweaked but.... <Pygi> dapper one will be... <neuralis> Pygi: please read the question. he asked about breezy. <Pygi> neuralis: yes, read the question.... <gremid> neuralis, thx. <neuralis> gremid: sure. <segfault> any study on dazuko for 6.04? <neuralis> segfault: no, we haven't planned on it, but i'll take a alexanderlisa@example.com. <Travis> is there a list somewhere that has the features of Ubuntu Server? <Pygi> hoho chara once again :P <MarioMeyer> heya :P <Pygi> what's up? <MarioMeyer> writting some papers.. u? <Pygi> writing core for some application #ubuntu-server 2006-01-03 <FlannelKing> Alright guys, why doesn't my config setup (http://pastebin.ca/35053) allow the rewrites at the bottom of that page? <fabbione> FlannelKing: in none of your configs you load mod_rewrite. <FlannelKing> yes, I do, its mods-enabled, standard ubuntu shindig <FlannelKing> so, it gets loaded when mods-enabled/*.load gets loaded <FlannelKing> I wish it was that simple <fabbione> check errors.log? <fabbione> works here <fabbione> so the module does work <fabbione> it has something to do with what you are trying to do <fabbione> and imho you could just redirect instead of rewrite for what you are doing <fabbione> also.. why are you using PT? <fabbione> did you read what PT is for? <FlannelKing> Pass Through, yeah, but that's not the important bit, since removing it stilld oesnt work <FlannelKing> Ive tried numerous permutations and locations over the past week, can't et anything to work. <FlannelKing> and I cant figure out why, and it appears no one really can. <fabbione> what module do you load first? <fabbione> mod_rewrite or mod_dav? <fabbione> and try swapping them <FlannelKing> um, they load in order, I think, so dav before rewrite <FlannelKing> I assume they load in alphabetical order? <fabbione> the load order is important <fabbione> yes they shoul <fabbione> should <FlannelKing> I figured it wasnt, becaues all the loads get loaded, before the config files for any <fabbione> try with something like: 01_mod_rewrite <fabbione> and 02_mod_dav <FlannelKing> yeah, <fabbione> and swap them <FlannelKing> let me try <fabbione> i need to go for a shower <fabbione> bbl <FlannelKing> nope, still doesn't work <fabbione> works here fine <fabbione> i did add the same svn lines to my site <fabbione> www.fabbione.net/svn/ <fabbione> it redirects to /shower/ <fabbione> RewriteEngine on <fabbione> RewriteRule ^/svn$ /shower [PT] <fabbione> RewriteRule ^/svn/$ /shower [PT] <fabbione> RewriteRule ^/svn/index.html$ /shower [PT] <fabbione> this is inside the virtualhost directive <fabbione> so it's either where you stick the config bits <fabbione> or interaction with mod_dav <fabbione> for sure mod_rewrite works <FlannelKing> is that default ubuntu configs? <FlannelKing> with the SymLinks or whatnot <FlannelKing> erm, do you have moddav? <FlannelKing> yeah, well, it doesn't even work with other rewrites <FlannelKing> if I try and rewrite ^/$ <FlannelKing> and it still doesnt work <fabbione> it's ubuntu yes <fabbione> default config <fabbione> other than the path to the website <fabbione> no i don't have mod_dav <fabbione> try one test case at a time <fabbione> start from the default <fabbione> and add rewrite <fabbione> once rewrite works <fabbione> add mod_dav <fabbione> and see what happens <FlannelKing> yeah, just means I have to start over from scratch. bother. <fabbione> no just move the config file somewhere for later usage <FlannelKing> oh, I know. <FlannelKing> just means I have to remember what I did, and undo it. <FlannelKing> to get back to default <fabbione> reason why you never edit the default, but create a copy <FlannelKing> but, thats a great idea, no idea why I didnt think of it sooner <FlannelKing> you think removing my ssl site has anything to do with it? <FlannelKing> erm, adding it <FlannelKing> nevermind <fabbione> start with the default <fabbione> reallyl <fabbione> add the rewrite <fabbione> check it works <fabbione> add mod_dav <fabbione> once you get the basic done, the rest will work almost automagically <FlannelKing> yeah <fabbione> adding extra crap on top won't help and for sure you won't find anybody to help you later on <FlannelKing> so, rewrite firsT? and where would I put the rewrite stuff? which file? <fabbione> i did add it to my enable-sites/default (or whatever you have there) <FlannelKing> alright <fabbione> inside the <virtualhost> directive <FlannelKing> outside of everything? <FlannelKing> alright <FlannelKing> so, back to default, now try rewrite first you say? <fabbione> yes <fabbione> create 2 empty dirs <fabbione> in www area <fabbione> foo and bar <fabbione> check that you can rewrite from foo to bar <fabbione> or something like that <fabbione> nothing too fancy really <fabbione> that will ensure your rewrite rules are working <fabbione> and check all 3 of them <fabbione> not just one <FlannelKing> alright, modrewrite works <FlannelKing> now, add the subversion/webdav stuff? <FlannelKing> alright, that's when it breaks <FlannelKing> so, is it because the dav_svn has a Location /svn in it? and it's usurping the url before it gets a chance? or what? <fabbione> probably <fabbione> i don't have mod_dav, so it might be that Location and rewrite ruls are in conflict <FlannelKing> well, you can take a look at that conf file at my psatebin, <FlannelKing> umm... <FlannelKing> http://pastebin.ca/35053 <fabbione> i already did.. to test, but i am not going to add mod_dav for testing on my production server <FlannelKing> oh, right, and I dont expect you to <FlannelKing> it just makes me wonder why no one else has this problem. <FlannelKing> I guess Ill have to ask for their conf, or someting. <fabbione> did you try to google? <fabbione> or to check the docs on httpd.apache.org? <fabbione> there is a deep tutorial on mod_rewrite <fabbione> perhaps it's mentioned how to do it properly <FlannelKing> yeah, Ive been learning a lot, but none of it helps <fabbione> did you try #apache ? <FlannelKing> daily <FlannelKing> and #svn <FlannelKing> thanks a lot fabbione, you've been much more of a help than countless others, even if it was just knocking some sense into me to stop me acting ignorant <fabbione> no problem <fabbione> time to start fixing the tivo :) <fabbione> later <FlannelKing> good luck <fabbione> shawarma: ping? <fabbione> unping <shawarma> fabbione: pong? <shawarma> fabbione: er... unpong.. <Pygi> ho, cara <Pygi> chara* <MarioMeyer_> heya <hazmat> does ubuntu have any scripts to manage the /etc/rc.* services <shawarma> update-rc.d <hazmat> shawarma, thanks <shawarma> No problem. <hazmat> also found rcconf from a google search <shawarma> Hmm.. Never heard of it. <hazmat> apparently just a front end to update-rc.d <shawarma> hazmat: Right. <fabbione> hey shawarma <fabbione> shawarma: you got mails :) <shawarma> fabbione: Hey there. <Pygi> fabbione: ho, now your mail box :) <shawarma> fabbione: Yeah, I saw them. Imported, and uploaded. <fabbione> Pygi: ? <shawarma> fabbione: Thanks. <fabbione> shawarma: no problem <Pygi> fabbione: ah, nothing, I was reffering to that you became a mail box :P <Pygi> fabbione shawarma: you got mails :) * fabbione nods <Pygi> hah, yes, I'll stop talkin' now :P <hazmat> the ubuntu server mailing list in the topic, isn't publicly advertised in the mailman index of either lists.ubuntu.com or lists.canonical.com... the only way to find out how to subscribe is to know mailman urls or subscription emails. <fabbione> hazmat: yes it's a known issue <Pygi> yup, we know... <fabbione> just pick a list and change the url to ubuntu-server <fabbione> it will work just fine #ubuntu-server 2006-01-04 <FlannelKing> Anyone know why (in apache2) a <location> (that activates web_dav) would overrule a mod_rewrite of that directory? <mxpxpod> has anyone heard of a problem with breezy having expat conflicts with libapache2-mod-python and libapach2-mod-php? <mxpxpod> because with mod_php and mod_python loaded, I get random segfaults in my python apps #ubuntu-server 2006-01-05 <tepsipakki> not built yet, i believe <tepsipakki> duh <Pygi> huh, wrong channeL :) <tepsipakki> only one window away.. ;) <Pygi> hehe :) <tepsipakki> what's on the agenda for the server team? <MarioMeyer> 1st of all, to cellebrate the new year.. :P <tepsipakki> I'm about to start testing NFSv4 with krb5 hopefully next week. it needs a few packages that are still missing from debian/ubuntu, and a few patched ones.. I'm willing to help on making those <tepsipakki> MarioMeyer: right on! <tepsipakki> the missing packages are libgssapi and librpcsecgss. there are packages for sid made by upstream, so it should be easy to do for dapper <tepsipakki> but the tricky part is getting support for nfs-common and util-linux... ;) <mxpxpod> has anyone experienced, with server 5.10, crashes when using mod_python and mod_php at the same time? <FlannelKing> Anyone know how to get mod_rewrite to work with a web_dav Location block in apache2? <FlannelKing> Anyone know how to get around the problem of having (apache2) a Location block and not being able to mod_rewrite in that location? <FlannelKing> Anyone know what else needs to be done to get rewrite logs to work? <FlannelKing> I currently have: RewriteLog "/var/log/apache2/rewrite.log" <FlannelKing> RewriteLogLevel 9 <spike> hi there <segfault> hi <MarioMeyer> :P #ubuntu-server 2006-01-06 <Pygi> Happy New year to everyone :) <Valandil> happy new year :) <spike> to you dude <Valandil> :) * Pygi is away: http://fama.sf.net * Pygi is back (gone 00:00:08) <theCore> how do I make mod_python work in apache2 ? <mxpxpod> theCore: are you using mod_php with mod_python on ubuntu server? <theCore> yes <mxpxpod> I've found problems doing that <theCore> should i remove mod_php ? <mxpxpod> yes <mxpxpod> if you don't have to use php <theCore> i don't want to use php anymore, I want to use psp instead <theCore> (Python Server Page) <mxpxpod> right <theCore> spaghetti code aren't for me <mxpxpod> hehe <mxpxpod> I've gotta rewrite some of my code from php to python <theCore> do I need to make some custom config to make it work, after installing it? <mxpxpod> not sure... I'm new to using python and apache myself <theCore> does it work for you ? <mxpxpod> no, because the server I have set up still needs to run php, so my python apps don't work :( <mxpxpod> so I have to convert it all over and then disable php <theCore> so, are you able to make work without php ? <mxpxpod> yeah, but all my configs are at work <theCore> nope, it still doesn't work <theCore> the module load correctly, but when I go to a .py file it just to download it <theCore> oh! <theCore> i made it work in lynx <theCore> so, the problem come from firefox, not the server <theCore> hmm, so how I ca fix that .... <theCore> can* <theCore> it work with mod_php, too <theCore> yea ! it work in firefox <theCore> that because firefox don't handle text file <theCore> but when you feed it with a correct html, it work like a charm <Valandil> hi Pygi :) and a happy new year <Pygi> hi Valandil :) Happy New Year, best wishes :) <Valandil> thx :) <Valandil> <--- is working on tax-announcement :( <Pygi> <--- is workin' on a secret app :) <Valandil> :)) #ubuntu-server 2006-01-07 <TTT_Travis> Hi, I installed ubuntu server, but all that installed was the base how do I install all of the programs that come with it? <TTT_Travis> nevermind <justin82> hey all <fabbione> morning guys <Pygi> ho Valandil <Valandil> hi Pygi :) <Pygi> ho Valandil <Valandil> :) <Pygi> now, wanna support me becoming a member by voting for me at that council or whatever? :) <Valandil> hum? could You explain please? * Valandil is a little slow today <Pygi> huh, nothin' important :P <Valandil> no, I mean, I don't understand, what You whish... You mean, member of ubuntu? <Pygi> yesh :P <Valandil> and how can I support this? <Valandil> (sorry, I did not have the time yet, to analyze ubuntu-internal procedures. I'm just working on distributing ubuntu and collecting proposals for ubuntu-server) <Pygi> huh, doesn't matter as I said :P <Valandil> btw: my first productive ubuntu-server is online since yesterday <Pygi> hehe, congrats <Valandil> and if it seems to be stable, the others will follow <Valandil> by now I have big problems with MaxDB <Valandil> thx :) <Pygi> huh, what's wrong with MaxDB? <Valandil> if it doesn't work on ubuntu, I have to see :( <fabbione> it's in universe.... <Valandil> it won't start <fabbione> i doubt somebody even looked at it <Valandil> wahttpd crashes with segfault <Valandil> hmmm <Valandil> I use it productive since 2003 on debian woody <Pygi> :/ <Valandil> I built adaptive packgages for it, but in debian noone was interested :( So I was my own mantainer ;) <Pygi> :/ <Pygi> huh, offer it to the MOTU's? <Valandil> Pygi: since it is in universe - does it have no mantainer? or where ca I find the Contact to mantainer? I looked in Database, but there is nothing written about mantainer <Pygi> well, then you can take it over :) <Valandil> yes, this was my intention :) <Pygi> if you are a MOTU :) <Pygi> let's go to MOTU, and I'll back you up :P <Pygi> #ubuntu-motu <Valandil> mom, telephone... <Pygi> huh,k, tell once ur back <Valandil> Pygi: I'm back <Pygi> k <Valandil> sorry, was my main customer - and the 'new year briefing' ;) <Pygi> so come to motu if u want :p <Pygi> np <Valandil> I'd like to, but I'm not shure, if I'm good enough... <Valandil> I'm yust a server-fanatic student ;) <Valandil> but I'd do my very best... <Pygi> :) <Valandil> went to #ubuntu-motu <Pygi> k, now say it :) <Valandil> say what? 'I want to take over a package'? (or samething like that)? <Valandil> *getting red* <Pygi> yesh :P <Valandil> ;) <Pygi> they are silent :/ <Valandil> then I will wait :) <Valandil> My work will take several hours, so no Prob ;) <Pygi> hehe :) <spike> hi there <Pygi> hi spike <Valandil> hi spike :) <fabbione> hey guys <Pygi> hey fabbione <fabbione> who feels to contribute 5 minutes of time? <spike> lo fabbione <Valandil> hi fabbione * spike raises his hand * Valandil too <fabbione> perfect <fabbione> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerCandy <- <fabbione> Third party software inclusion <- <Pygi> huh, so you don't need me :P <fabbione> we need to create the list mentioned there <fabbione> who wants to be in charge of it? <fabbione> and start mailing also ubuntu-server <spike> expected deadline? <spike> besides the canned "asap" :) <Pygi> hm, 10 years? :) <fabbione> i would say to have a list to start from in a week? <fabbione> max 2 weeks <fabbione> spike: i am not asking to do the full list <fabbione> but start it <fabbione> put it in the wiki <fabbione> post the page on the mailing list <fabbione> and let the others add their piece of software <fabbione> it's virtually impossible to know all of them by one person <fabbione> Valandil, spike: can i count on you for this work? <fabbione> i mean.. <fabbione> to start the list of tools <fabbione> i don't expect you to run and check everything <Valandil> just a sec, still reading (my english, You remember? ;) ) <spike> fabbione: yeah, already have a few of e <spike> 'em noted down along the time from debian-isp <spike> fabbione: I'll go and setup myself an account on the wiki, havent got one so far <fabbione> spike: ok cool <fabbione> spike: best to do is to create a wiki page, link it from the main servercandy page <fabbione> and post the url to the mailing list <spike> fabbione: but I'm definitely in the 2 weeks time slot, not one sorry, have some more travelling scheduled in the next week and stuff to do since I just moved. but I'll definitely do it, I planned to start contributing anyway with the new year <spike> fabbione: sure, I'll go that way <fabbione> spike: perfect <Pygi> fabbione: how is this going along? <Pygi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkWideUpdates <fabbione> spike: i suggest to open the page asap, even with one entry only.. and post it <fabbione> so people will have time to start adding stuff to it <fabbione> spike: the rest will come on its own (i hope) <fabbione> Pygi: no idea. you need to ask to who is in charge (see launchpad entry) <spike> fabbione: I'll take some time to add stuff about automation too, guess I have got something to say about it, and I'd definitely love to see more of that in ubuntu <spike> which is actually linked to that page Pygi just mentioned <fabbione> automatation? <fabbione> i only nees "Third party software inclusion" for now <fabbione> from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerCandy <Pygi> fabbione: that page in launchpad seems to be erased :/ <fabbione> Pygi: iirc it's mvo that is doing that spec <spike> fabbione: well, ok, saw the page Pygi posted and thought of mentioning it. imho, they're wasting time on that. there are already *good* tools, production quality,that do that <spike> u don't really need to spend time redesigning and implementing a new one <fabbione> spike: you want to tell that in the page :) <fabbione> really <fabbione> i don't follow each single subprojhect in ubuntu <fabbione> i would need 96 hours a day to do so <spike> ok, I have no idea about how things really work in the ubuntu team, sorry <fabbione> spike: eheh no problem :) <spike> started collecting a few info about motu a week ago or so <Pygi> fabbione:heh, I shall candidate myself for a member on next meeting :P <fabbione> Pygi: you should first produce high quality contribution.. a mail to -server isn't enough.. really <Pygi> hehe :) <fabbione> you need to do a bit more, get known by the community <fabbione> and so on <Pygi> huh, I am "known" :) <fabbione> it's a suggestion to avoid you the pain to go there a few times for nothing <Pygi> ah, ok, nevermind <Pygi> k, thanks :P <Valandil> fabbione: I'll try to. by now I'm not yet shure, what exactly You want... but I think, I have a idea of what You want ;) <fabbione> Valandil: i want a list of proprietary tools that it would be nice to have on CD <fabbione> or extremely easy to install <fabbione> like for example: tool from company FOO to manage their special RAID controller <fabbione> but we need a list of these tools <Valandil> OK, got it <Valandil> OK, I'll do my part. But I don't use much of proprietary stuff, so I'm not really best address for this ;) <Pygi> fabbione: please kick me out of server team, thanks <fabbione> Pygi: why? <Pygi> fabbione: 'cause I am, and I obviously won't do nothin', so no point in continuing this.... <fabbione> Pygi: dude.. stop and think one minute, ok? <fabbione> to be an ubuntu memeber with upload privileges <fabbione> you need at least to have some experience with packaging <Pygi> fabbione: huh, yes, I do understand <fabbione> and i can tell you that people in the different teams that do check on other people <fabbione> will look at that <Pygi> fabbione: no problem with that :P <fabbione> hence my suggestion to do something more <fabbione> that does not mean you need to vaporize yourself with a garbage disintegrator <fabbione> it's a suggestion to start to contribute more <fabbione> and become a memeber <fabbione> just do it in the right steps <fabbione> so that you will SCORE a success on the first attempt <Pygi> huh, I tried contributing at start with InstantServer, and nothin' happened out of that because none actually wanted to work :/ <Pygi> it actually doesn't matter to me if I am member or not... <fabbione> yes i remember the Instant server thing <fabbione> but i don't think it's good to just give up like this <fabbione> try and see <fabbione> it's not like i have a fetish need to kick people out of the team <fabbione> it doesn't give me any personal satisfaction.. you know ;) <Pygi> huh, yesh, I do understand you don't wanna kick no one, but I was accepted into team just for that instant thingy :/ <Pygi> And as I ain't doing on it anymore, .... <fabbione> Pygi: try to do something else :) <fabbione> there are so many things to do <fabbione> like the list that spike and Valandil will start to work on <fabbione> it's not a 2 person thing <fabbione> and it's something you could as well do <fabbione> browing sites to find them might even be fun <fabbione> browsing <Pygi> g <Pygi> heh* <fabbione> i have issues to go and look at some websites.. i get this irrestable need of buying everything :P <Pygi> hehe :) <Valandil> *lol* <fabbione> and i am sure my wife is not ready yet for a SUN e25k in the house <fabbione> neither is my bank account, but i can still trade my wife ;) <Pygi> fabbione: I believe you understand why and what I am doin' .... You are also a developer, andyou wouldn't like to do something where development is not involved :P <Pygi> and lol :) <fabbione> Pygi: if you want to develop for real.. want to start to look at "Provide a RCS /etc out of the box" <fabbione> and see if we can get somewhere using shell scripts? <fabbione> perhaps something modular that we can plug in different RCS? <fabbione> that will require some code writing <Pygi> huh, as I said fabbione, please kick me out of team... <Pygi> thats better for everyone... <fabbione> ok remind me in a couple of days when i will spend time on launchpad <Pygi> k <fabbione> so perhaps you have time to think again about it <Valandil> Pygi: perhaps You could find also fun in 'baby-sitting' ;-) I could need someone, who takes me by hand... I'd like to work, but I don't know how :( <Pygi> huh :P <Valandil> no, really - I'm admin, but I'm defnitely not experienced in developing things for public <Pygi> Valandil: well, you see, I am developing all the time something :P <Valandil> Pygi: ;-) so You'd be a perfect mentor ;) <Valandil> Pygi: No, to be serious: it was just an idea <Pygi> heh, what would you wanna know? coding? in what language? <Valandil> all languages ;) <spike> included the universal language of love <Valandil> I love shell-scripts, perl and c, but in c i'm just starting <Valandil> spike: *lol* <Pygi> well, in those I could assist you in C, and shell scripts <Valandil> but I think my main problem is, how to work for ubuntu / public/... <Pygi> can help you in python as well <Pygi> valandil: go fix keyboard change error <Valandil> python is very interesting, but never had the time * Pygi would like to do that, but don't know where to get code and where to send patches :) <Valandil> I don't even know anything about this error <Valandil> what do You mean? <Pygi> well, changing keyboard layout in that gnome utility doesn't work :P <Pygi> thats the bug :P <Valandil> *uurgh* gnome :( ... OK, I will take a look on this... <Pygi> thats easy to fix, and you will learn :) <Valandil> OK :) I'll do my very best <Valandil> but why did You say, You caqn't get the code? <Valandil> isn't it in the sources-package? <Pygi> I don't know where to get ubuntu code :P <spike> is this #ubuntu-server, isnt it? why on earth u'd want to spend time on fixing a gnome related issue? <Pygi> ok, excuse me spike :P <Pygi> now I'll go not to bother anyone again * spike shrugs <Valandil> ooops <spike> what? <Valandil> hmmm feel a little uncomfortable right now... <spike> Valandil: u shouldnt at all <Valandil> spike: could be... fell like a little boy ;) <spike> Valandil: if he cant act differently than a 13teen kid living in a cruel world that doesnt accept him as a 1337 member of motu it's not ur fault <Valandil> could be ;) <Valandil> but more or less I feel anyway like al little boy who opened the door to the great wide world ;) <Valandil> but I have planned to grow up :)) <spike> Valandil: the best advice I can give u then is get a plan and stick to that. jumping among things like u were gonna do with this gnome keyboard thing is just a waste of time for everybody <spike> Valandil: what do u wanna do? <spike> and dont tell me "programming" :) <Valandil> spike: I'd like to do some effective work. This has two reasons: I work productive with linux for several years, and I'd like to give something back to community. And second: <Valandil> I need some things for my servers, where I put work into. Why should I waste my work only for me? I could give it to others. <Valandil> for this, I need experience in maintaining - and that I don't have <Valandil> so I need a mentor or someone like that, who tells me: do this or that, and then You can use it like this, and so on... <spike> Valandil: "effective work" is the same as "programming" :) <Valandil> spike: not what I meant <Valandil> I meant, some work, not only I have benefit from <spike> dude, that doesnt mean anything either. what re u talking about? packaging/coding ur own software/tools u use on ur machines? <Valandil> if You tell me for example that You need some recherches on some topic, to help Your Project, I wold say: OK, I'll take part <Valandil> I just don't know _what_ would be useful <Valandil> so the list for fabbione is something I can do, because he told me what he's looking for <segfault> calm down. <Valandil> You know, all I need is orientation. World of linux / ubuntu is far too wide ... <Valandil> I'm as calm as I could be ;) <Valandil> segfault: sorry, didn't want to do flaming in here... <segfault> hehe <segfault> just kidding <segfault> :) <Valandil> OK :-) <Valandil> brb (hope so) --> reboot <Valandil> re :) * spike shrugs <spike> I cant believe this telco installs router @ offices with web interface by default open on the nic facing the net <spike> default user/pwd of course, but I wasnt even asking for that much... <Valandil> brb --> reboot (I hate 2.6) #ubuntu-server 2006-01-08 <spike> hi there <fabbione> hi spike #ubuntu-server 2006-01-09 <Runix> ciao <Runix> c' qualcuno? <Runix> hi <Runix> thank you for ubuntu <MarioMeyer> morning, chara <Pygi> mornin' :) <Pygi> how's things? <MarioMeyer> just fine.. u? <Pygi> busy :P #ubuntu-server 2006-01-10 <divansantana> hello, Can some one tell me if the Linux terminal server project is worth looking at when you have NX technology rather?? <fabbione> divansantana: you want to ask that to #edubuntu <fabbione> LTSP is not handled by -server <divansantana> fabbione: ok thank u <spike> divansantana: I'm not really sure I'd compare the 2 things <spike> divansantana: u can use latter to accomplish almost the same that with LTSP, but definitely the two things have different goals <spike> hi fabbione <fabbione> hey spike <divansantana> Spkie: can u let me know a little more of your thougts on that? <divansantana> I want to setup a terminal server the easiest way and must perform well. <spike> divansantana: well, the more I try to compare the two, the less I can see how they're related. what's ur point in saying "if the Linux terminal server project is worth looking at when you have NX technology"? <spike> divansantana: NX tech, are we talking of freeNX, NoMachine NX free client, and the like, arent we? <spike> divansantana: when u firstly asked, I thought of how u could move all the computing costs on centralized machine and access it from low powered box with FreeNX client <spike> in a linux terminal way so <spike> is it that? <divansantana> spike: Yes thats is the idea I had. Perhaps bootable linux cds with nxclients connecting to nxserver. <divansantana> spike: I just need to understand adv and disadv of ltsp vs freenx etc for my terminal server project <spike> divansantana: the point is freenx isnt meant for terminal like projects, that's what I'm saying. evidently the mistake is possible, I just did it thinking like that, but if it's someway tempting it's technically wrong. <spike> divansantana: ltsp actually gives u the framework to boot and manage clients in a centralized and nice fashion. nx wont give anything of that <divansantana> ahh! OK, thanks for the help! Will prob go LTSP way rather! <divansantana> spike: One last question, what is easy way to keep uptodate network of ubuntu machines, apt-proxy or apt-cacher or something else? Do you or anyone have ideas on this <spike> personally I had a few issues with apt-proxy in mixed environments <divansantana> But does it do the job decently? I just want to do in for 1 LAN. <spike> divansantana: also, since at that time I was running squid, I simply had use of that. it's a very good proxy, works pretty good, and offers me more control, so I'm happy with that solution. but it's definitely overkill and wrong to get that just for pkts caching <spike> divansantana: decently, yes <divansantana> speaking of squid it should cache by default all the .debs of its clients? I could maybe just use that. <spike> divansantana: not by default because the maxfilesize set isnt big enough to allow most of the debs to be stored <divansantana> spike: Ok but I normally set that quite large. Then there is no real reason to use apt-proxy if you have squid on LAN :D (hopefully) <spike> divansantana: and u better have a couple of specific filter to allow such "big" filesize only for special domain and file extensions (so deb mirrors and .deb extensions) <spike> divansantana: not really. <divansantana> yeah good tip! <spike> grrrr * spike swears @ cisco <Fish> Hi everyone, where can I go to find out what versions of packages Ubuntu Server ships? I.E. Samba <spike> Fish: http://packages.ubuntu.com/ <spike> keep in mind that current is breezy, dapper is devel <Fish> Thanks spike. * ..[topic/#ubuntu-server:spike] : ubuntu-server discussions and support | for general support see #ubuntu | Ubuntu Server (stable) at http://releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/5.10/ | Ubuntu Server (Devel) at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/ | Ubuntu Server dapper specs: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-server/+specs | Ubuntu Server forums at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=45 | alexanderlisa@example.com is up and running | searchable packages lis <spike> eer <spike> fabbione: does it happen u're there? <spike> or ajmitch * ..[topic/#ubuntu-server:spike] : ubuntu-server discussions and support | for general support see #ubuntu | Ubuntu Server (stable) at http://releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/5.10/ | Ubuntu Server (Devel) at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/ | Ubuntu Server dapper specs: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-server/+specs | Ubuntu Server forums at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=45 | alexanderlisa@example.com is up and running <Fish> So Samba on Ubuntu Breezy (The Desktop) is the same on Ubuntu Server? Is Server version kinda like the Kubuntu version? <ajmitch> spike: yes why? <ajmitch> Fish: yes <spike> Fish: Cool things will come with dapper, Stable ubuntu server is same as desktop version <spike> ajmitch: I'd liked to add the packages.ubuntu.com link in topic, thought that was useful, but ran out of space. So was about to ask u guys if u had any prob moving urls to tinyurl and using U.S. instead of writing Ubuntu Server all the times <spike> guess a shorter topic wouldnt hurt anyway, more readable <ajmitch> not up to me :) <spike> what? <spike> to decide? <ajmitch> tinyurl might be good though <ajmitch> yes, not my channel <spike> oh, k, saw u were the last one updating the topic <ajmitch> that was just fixing a typo, iirc <spike> yeah, cdimages/cdimage iirc <ajmitch> but I doubt fabbione would mind using tinyurl <spike> ok, I'll go on then and drop him a line * spike needs some sleep <Fish> Thanks Spike, what could I search for on the Wiki to find the new features in Ubuntu Dapper Server <Fish> ? <spike> u dont search the wiki for that <spike> Fish: look at the chan topic <spike> there's a page with the Specs <spike> u can start from there and follow the links <Fish> Heh, thanks :-) * ..[topic/#ubuntu-server:spike] : ubuntu-server discussions and support | for general support see #ubuntu | U. S. (stable) at http://tinyurl.com/b3jek | U. S. (Devel) at http://tinyurl.com/cllfu | U. S. dapper specs: http://tinyurl.com/aen9b | U. S. forums at http://tinyurl.com/b77qg | alexanderlisa@example.com is up and running | searchable packages list: http://packages.ubuntu.com <spike> night all <ubijtsa> moin moin <fabbione> morning <klorie> hello <ubijtsa> fabbione: I believe I am reading the interview with you on ossblog.it :) <fabbione> ubijtsa: that's about right :) <ubijtsa> so you reckon there will be a Ubuntu for PDA's? <thom> fabbione: i really think you ought to add that fantastic interview to the topic * ubijtsa would like that... A lot, if a Tungsten T|3 was supported :) <fabbione> ubijtsa: i can't say for sure.. i really meant what i said in the interview <ubijtsa> fabbione: naturally, or you would not have said it :) <fabbione> thom: eheh fantastic is a relative concept due to the translation they did :( <fabbione> thom: but welcome to do add it :P <fabbione> ubijtsa: :) <klorie> re-hello * ubijtsa thinks it a good thing the lists have calmed down a bit after the last couple weeks heated debate <fabbione> ubijtsa: ? <ubijtsa> fabbione: the MTA issue? :) <fabbione> regarding what subject <fabbione> on what list? <ubijtsa> ubuntu-user.. <ubijtsa> I am ashamed to admit I added to that noise.. <fabbione> oh <ubijtsa> then there was the uim/scim debate on the devel list <fabbione> too high traffic for me * ubijtsa just skimms the topics for the interesting ones.. <klorie> i don't know if it's the proper channel to talk about this: what is the proper procedure about upgrading a "server" hoary install to breezy ? e.g. without installing ubuntu-desktop before doing apt-get dist-upgrade ? <visik7> klorie: I think that an apt-get dist-upgrade is enough <ubijtsa> so what is currently happening in ubuntu-server land? <klorie> visik7 - ok, thanks. After reading breezy upgrade notes an breezy upgrade topics in ubuntu forums i suspect the upgrading procedure to depend on specific desktop packages. <ubijtsa> dist-upgrade should be enough as it will only update installed packages (and pre/co-reqs) <ubijtsa> do 'apt-get -s dist-upgrade' first, and check what it wants to do <klorie> thanks ubijtsa, i will check this. <ubijtsa> np <ubijtsa> would it be possible, albeit not advisable, to dist-upgrade from debian sarge to breezy server? <GheRivero> hi everyone <ubijtsa> lo GheRivero <GheRivero> one question, from the spec, the issue to keep etc under bzr, is it bzr or bzr-ng? <Nafallo> bzr is baz-ng and baz isn't bzr :-) <GheRivero> ok! thx, now i will not mix them again! <Nafallo> :-) <quatebriga> hello ? <tepsipakki> GheRivero: still testing/using NFSv4?-) <GheRivero> yes, of course... no big problems at the moments... <tepsipakki> are you using krb5 with it? <GheRivero> yes, krb5, that's the only thing i want properly working :) <GheRivero> integrate evythingthing with SSO <tepsipakki> with AD? <GheRivero> AD mainly, cause we use it at my university... <GheRivero> but also with plain mit kerberos + ldap <GheRivero> and who nows, maybe Fedora directory some day <tepsipakki> ok. we have both AD and "UNIX-AD" <tepsipakki> and fierce battles because of that.. <GheRivero> UNIX-AD? which one are you using? <tepsipakki> OpenLDAP and MIT Kerberos, but the krb-part is not yet up-and-running <tepsipakki> but hopefully next week <GheRivero> we use AD as a LDAP, without kerberos at the moment :/ <tepsipakki> anyway, do you think that libgssapi/librpcsecgss should be pushed for dapper?-) <tepsipakki> because atm nfs4-support still needs hand-built packages <GheRivero> i hope!!! <GheRivero> anyway, i just discover this team, finally! (it's being almost 1 year since the first rumours i heard) <GheRivero> so i plan to push a lot of things throught it <tepsipakki> ubuntu-server? <GheRivero> yeah <tepsipakki> well, it was announced a month ago, I think ;) <tepsipakki> just ran newpynfs against a netapp-server on dapper. 578 tests; 13 skipped, 169 failed, 20 warned, 376 passed <spike> 'morning <Pygi> mornin' <E0x> morning <spike> mornin E0x <segfault> what do i have to do to join the server team? <spike> segfault: impress 'em :) <segfault> yeah, i'll just try to figure out how... <spike> I tried dancing, but it didnt work <spike> segfault: guess contributing to dapper stuff is the esiet and most interesting way since u're here <spike> segfault: there're quite a few things on the specs page that need to be done, and *many* more will as soon as it gets released <spike> segfault: the first release will probably contain less than half of the things that would be nice to have in, so lots of work is waiting all of us <spike> guess u'll have ur chance to impress 'em <segfault> sure * ubijtsa would love to have spare time to volounteer to help with this and that <ubijtsa> wb fabbione <nocturn> Hi all <nocturn> Can I upgrade my Hoary server to Ubuntu-server 5.10? <fabbione> nocturn: yes <spike> nocturn: sure u can <fabbione> same way as you do any other upgrade <spike> hi fabbione <nocturn> Will this not get me standard Breezy? <fabbione> hey spike <nocturn> I'm specificly interested in the server-specific kernels. <fabbione> nocturn: there are no specific kernel for server in breezy <fabbione> they will land with dapper <nocturn> So, the images here http://releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/5.10/ <nocturn> are similar to the breezy install with the server parameter? <E0x> why ubuntu-server is 386 compile <fabbione> nocturn: yes that's right <spike> nocturn: exactly <E0x> a 686 compile will be nice <spike> E0x: u can easily get the 686 kernel, it's there <nocturn> There is some confusion about this on the forums. <spike> just apt-get it and reboot <E0x> spike but is not just the kernel <fabbione> E0x: not this again... <E0x> the packages too <nocturn> Somone posted from the announcement: * Includes server-oriented kernels with out-of-the-box <spike> eeer, doh <fabbione> there will never be 686 packages. <E0x> fabbione i dont want start a war us asking <nocturn> and Safe and text-oriented boot mode for better clarity and <fabbione> it buys nothing for a lot of more problems <E0x> ok * spike remembers the huge flame on debian lists <spike> :) <spike> iirc it coincided with gentoo getting popular *g* <fabbione> E0x: the clear example is gentoo/debian benchmarking.. same box, same apps.. clearly different build. debian was faster on all the apps that have been tested. <spike> ehehe <E0x> fabbione i dont believe in beachmark that make another ppl <E0x> i believe that i see <fabbione> nocturn: yes, note that the announce has been done after the breezy release, to explain what will happen. <E0x> with my own eyes <ubijtsa> kernel compiled to a specific cpu matters more on sparc <fabbione> E0x: eyes aren't objective <nocturn> fabbione: thanks for clarifying, I will post this info on the forum. <nocturn> And I'm looking forward to the Dapper server edition... <fabbione> ubijtsa: no wrong. it matters on all arches but only to gain benefits in some corner cases <nocturn> Hoping that the Kerberos integration gets in... <spike> eew, SSO <nocturn> eew? <spike> onomatopoeia :) <spike> like muttering <nocturn> spike: I take it you don't like SSO? <ubijtsa> fabbione: on x86 (ia32) you get benefit from including support for MMX/SSE if you do lots of floating point work.. <spike> nocturn: I do love it, but only thinking of it gives me an headache :) <fabbione> ubijtsa: not only. There are schedulers, highmem, numa, bigfatnuma and other stuff you can tune. <spike> nocturn: kerberos + AFS + ldap + samba is marvellous, just a pain to properly setup <nocturn> spike: yes, on Linux it is still hard to do, and Windows only does it the wrong way. <ubijtsa> most people would never know the difference between 386 and k7 kernel for their word processing and websurfing <nocturn> I've gotten as far as Kerberos with pam_krb5 and cyrus_sasl to my imap server <ubijtsa> fabbione: very true, but most of that is available independent of kernel being optimised for 386 or 686 <nocturn> AFS would be nice to do... I checked if it was possible to have Samba with Kerberos for Linux2Linux, but no dice <E0x> hey fabbione you the same guy of the osnews interview ? <spike> nocturn: I mentioned that for windows domain authing actually <fabbione> E0x: yes <maswan> spike: we do kerberos + AFS + ldap and no samba btw <E0x> fabbione cool <spike> maswan: cool. how big is the network? <maswan> spike: three clusters of about 100-200 machines each, a handful of workstations and a bunch of servers <ubijtsa> fabbione: the dapper server image, will it have something like XEN available, or is that targeted for Dapper+1 ? <nocturn> spike: I thought you still needed a Windows AD PDC though <spike> maswan: I assume u've got AFS caching servers on top of each of those cluster, eh? how is that working? <nocturn> maswan: Whas the AFS setup hard? <maswan> spike: huh? not really, I think <fabbione> ubijtsa: if somebody will volunteer to integrate XEN, probably.. <maswan> nocturn: Yeah, fairly. The lack of usable documentation was a big problem back when we first did the setup. * spike would love to * ubijtsa realises he will need more alexanderlisa@example.com... <maswan> spike: the compute clusters have local scratch filesystems that are curently nfs but we're working on moving them to lustre <spike> AFS got the biggest man I've ever seen... <spike> only the administrator manual is 864 fskcing pages... unbelievable <spike> and then u got a few other mans, included the user one which is about 400 pages maybe, can't remember exactly <ubijtsa> fabbione: has anyone done any sizing of XEN integration work yet, or is it just an item on a huge todo list still? :) <maswan> spike: client setup these days is farily easy though <fabbione> ubijtsa: several attemps, all failed. XEN upstream is too slow for us <nocturn> maswan: I figured so, I have looked at it for a smaller setup, but it seems complicated <maswan> spike: even if the habit of kerberos-related tools to give utter crap for error messages is somewhat annoying <ubijtsa> fabbione: so ubuntu would need to bypass debian upstream and go straight to source for any integration work, or is it the source itself that is to slow? <spike> fabbione: uh, what does that mean? XEN upstream too slow? 2.2 wont cleanly integrate with dapper stuff? I don't get the prob <fabbione> ubijtsa, spike: for hoary and breezy, while we were at kernel 2.6.foo <fabbione> XEN upstream was at least 2 major releases behind <fabbione> that means that it is almost impossible to ingrate with our kernel <fabbione> if not using a XEN development branch <ubijtsa> ah, so the XEN team don't produce patches for recent kernels.. <ubijtsa> I c <fabbione> that i don't think anybody want to put in production on servers for 5 years <spike> fabbione: I don't believe so. I'm working on 3.0 and it's .12 <ubijtsa> so there would be loads of work 'forwardporting' XEN into ubuntu kernels.. <fabbione> spike: yes, and kernel.org/dapper is .15 <spike> and on the ML they were talking about moving to .14... just talking :/ <spike> blah <spike> I c <fabbione> spike: in their development tree they are at .14, probably .15 <fabbione> but the issue is that there is the requirement of: <fabbione> - hypervisor <fabbione> - kernel <fabbione> - userland <fabbione> all in sync <fabbione> and again.. you don't want it from a devel branch for production servers <spike> indeed <fabbione> anyway i need to go offline from IRC for a bit <spike> well, I reckong that one might accept to run an host with an older kernel, with a few assumptions that may work <spike> c ya <spike> ok <fabbione> cya <ubijtsa> fabbione: cya * spike should go painting too <spike> need to finish this room and buy stuff... moving is always a pain :/ <spike> bbl <nocturn> I'm going too, thanks again for the help <yogi> should the dapper server kernel (currently 2.6.15-11) run on a PIII machine? <yogi> I get oopses right at boot with both .15-10 and .15-11 <E0x> somebody have a nice howto about Redundant Internet Connections <E0x> ? <neuralis> E0x: please explain what you mean? <E0x> 2 internet conecction and one network , balance the access to internet <E0x> between the 2 internet conecction and if one fail still work the internet in the network <segfault> e0x: lart.org <segfault> e0x: lartg.org <E0x> Firefox can't find the alexanderlisa@example.com. <segfault> oops, http://www.lartc.org/lartc.html <segfault> or maybe: http://www.samag.com/documents/s=9384/sam0201h/ <segfault> right to the point <E0x> thx <E0x> that articule in samag is old i saw it <E0x> http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html <Runix> hi <Pygi> hi <Runix> i'm ubuntu user <Runix> i'm italian <E0x> http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/nano.txt <Pygi> Runix: and how may we help you? <Runix> do you speak italian? <Pygi> no, but #ubuntu-it does <Runix> i know <Runix> but i would like to say thank to Mark Shuttleworth <Pygi> oh, he might be in #ubuntu-devel, but I higly doubt <Runix> he enter in this chanel too <Runix> i know <Pygi> wb matt <ubijtsa2> re-hi <spike> re-wb <ubijtsa2> spike: ta :) <spike> :) <spike> ubijtsa2: where are u based in uk? <ubijtsa2> spike: Farnborough (near the M3, Basingstoke/Bracknell/Guildford area) * ubijtsa2 has just completed the update of spamassassin through CPAN (Breezy is lagging a bit, v2.64 vs v3.1.0) <ubijtsa2> and I now have 2.6.15 proper installed and running... <spike> ubijtsa2: close enough for some geek talking and a beer then :) <ubijtsa2> heh, where are you then? :) <spike> ubijtsa: down of m23, brighton <ubijtsa2> compared to most in here, that is close, but it's still a fair drive :) <ubijtsa2> been to brighton a few times.. through work a couple times back in 97 and most recently in 01 I think, meeting up with a mate from .se when he was over here <spike> ubijtsa2: well, ~30 mins with southern, not too bad <ubijtsa2> from Farnborough? <ubijtsa2> It's probably 1h30 at least by car.. <spike> isnt it. say 40 actually <spike> eh? <spike> it's ~45 to london actually, thought it was a bit closer than that, so... <ubijtsa2> To get to Brighton, I'd go up M3 to M25, then down the M23/A23.. it M25 is clear, and Gatwick isn't busy, it might only take 1h10 domn <ubijtsa2> down even <ubijtsa2> Might be trains via Guildford down that way, but I don't know for sure :) <spike> well, whatever, when/if u have the time and fancy it, just ping me, I'm around, can come up or the other way around <ubijtsa2> okidoki :) <spike> actually I got to travel and look around a bit anyway, so guess I'll come up. how's Farnborough? <ubijtsa2> well, it's alright, not the place if you want to go clubbing, but it's alright to live in :) * spike does more pubbing than clubbing <spike> *g* <ubijtsa2> Aldershot is just around the corner, so heavy concentration of military personel <spike> ewwww, that sux, not the place for me then <ubijtsa2> no idea what the pubs are like around here, I've lived here for 3 years, and never been to one :) <spike> ahaha <spike> u don't drink beer? I'd be astonished :) <ubijtsa2> I tend to get some nice cognac or islay in, and enjoy it with a good book :) <ubijtsa2> I'm partial to a good Guinness tho' :) <spike> oh, that then. I c, good choice :) <spike> well, is there any other beer worth drinking? ;) <ubijtsa2> heh, of the lagers, carling and irish harp are alright <spike> naaah :) <spike> btw, I'm not english , just in case :) <ubijtsa2> when I go visit the relatives in .se, I drink pear cider or lapinkulta <spike> oooh, /me love .se <spike> in brighton there's a .se club actually :) <ubijtsa2> really? <spike> yep <spike> u're from .se? <ubijtsa2> aye <spike> cool :D <ubijtsa2> been living in .uk for 9+ years tho <ubijtsa2> :) <spike> uhm, don't know sweden that well, but I wouldnt see any reason to live in any other place :) <spike> but a woman :) <ubijtsa2> uuuuhm,
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