#ubuntu-meeting 2005-05-02 <jdthood> Mention of the 13 April Community Council Meeting can be removed from the topic of this channel. It was said that the meeting will be rescheduled. Anyone know the proposed date(s)? <Treenaks> jdthood: good luck.. topic is not protected ;) #ubuntu-meeting 2005-05-03 <jordi> I wonder if there's a channel dedicated to UDU? <ajmitch> not yet, afaik #ubuntu-meeting 2005-05-12 * ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:dholbach] : Tue ?? ?? 20:00 UTC: Tech Board -- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda || Wed ?? ??? 04:00 UTC Community Council -- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda || http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar || This is NOT #ubuntu, nor #ubuntu-devel <Alessio> Wed 13 Apr 04:00 UTC Community Council ??? <dholbach> that's why i changed it #ubuntu-meeting 2005-05-17 * ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:dholbach] : Tue ?? ?? 20:00 UTC: Tech Board -- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda || Tue 10 May ??:?? UTC Community Council -- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda || http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar || This is NOT #ubuntu, nor #ubuntu-devel * ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:dholbach] : Tue ?? ?? 20:00 UTC: Tech Board -- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda || Tue 10 May 16:00 UTC Community Council -- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda || http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar || This is NOT #ubuntu, nor #ubuntu-devel <mako> dholbach: dude <mako> dholbach: too fast <^rob> meeting starts here in 40 minutes right? <dholbach> 1h40m <hunger> no idea... <^rob> ahh <^rob> oky, thx <Riddell> 19:00, 40 minutes <fabbione> 1 hour and 40 minutes <fabbione> 19:00 UTC <fabbione> we are +2 in EU <Riddell> oh wait, UK isn't on GMT just now, oops * ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Riddell] : Breezy kickoff 19:00 | Tue ?? ?? 20:00 UTC: Tech Board -- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda || Tue 10 May 16:00 UTC Community Council -- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda || http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar || This is NOT #ubuntu, nor #ubuntu-devel * ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Kamion] : Breezy kickoff 19:00 UTC | Tue ?? ?? 20:00 UTC: Tech Board -- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda || Tue 10 May 16:00 UTC Community Council -- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda || http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar || This is NOT #ubuntu, nor #ubuntu-devel <Kamion> (let's be clear) <dholbach> Kamion: :-) <^rob> Riddell: it should be NEITHER instead of NOT <Kamion> "NOT ..., nor ..." is fine <Kamion> "NEITHER ... nor ..." (no comma) would also be fine <^rob> Kamion: is that requirement of neitehr with nor an American specific thing? <Kamion> I don't know. This is the first time I've heard it claimed anywhere. <Kamion> the two sentences have different emphases <Kamion> not/nor emphasises the first, and the second is basically a parenthetical comment <Kamion> neither/nor puts the two on equal footing <^rob> Kamion: I lean torward "not #ubuntu OR #ubuntu-devel" <Kamion> that sounds actively wrong to me <Kamion> "neither #ubuntu NOR #ubuntu-devel" <Kamion> this is a startlingly OT conversation though ;) <thegreedyturtle> OT? <jbailey> How can it be off topic when it's about the /topic? <thegreedyturtle> ah <Seveas> lol <hunger> ^rob: How about: !(#ubuntu-devel || #ubuntu) <thom> hunger: meaningless to most users <hunger> ^rob: not #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu looks wrong;-) <hunger> thom: Right:-) <hunger> thom: But (not x or y) != not x or y. Well, I am probably too CS-ly for this world. * fabbione sighs <nufan> Has the meeting got underway yet? <fabbione> in 45 minutes <nufan> UTC == GMT? <thom> nufan: yes <nufan> Ta <fabbione> nufan: more or less yes <thom> (without pedanting, anyway) <hunger> nufan: GMT is UTC but with daylight saving or the other way round. <nufan> Wait, so 19:00 UTC is 20:00 GMT? <fabbione> no <fabbione> GMT = UTC <nufan> (I'm an idiot <fabbione> there is no daylight saving <hunger> fabbione: Are you sure? <thom> hunger: yes <fabbione> the difference goes at astronomic level <fabbione> yes <thom> the difference is between atomic and astronomical time iirc <hunger> thom: I made that claim the last time... and everybody told me that was wrong. <Kamion> how bizarre. fabbione and thom are correct, anyway. <hunger> thom: Looks like I normally hang out with idiots;-) <nufan> So... the meeting is an hour late <jbailey> When in doubt, right click your gnome clock, go to preferences, and set "Use UTC" =) <nufan> 'cos it's 1900 GMT here. <thom> nufan: no, it's 1820GMT <thom> 19:20 ~/work/packages/hoary% date -u <thom> Mon May 9 18:20:19 UTC 2005 <Riddell> nufan: you are more likely to be on BST <nufan> I'm in England <Kamion> nufan: then you are on BST, not GMT <nufan> Whatever the hell that means for the time. <thom> the UK is gmt/utc +1 <thom> currently <jbailey> Is Greenwich even on GMT? =) <Kamion> jbailey: nope <nufan> That makes no sense. <thom> jbailey: at the moment, no :-) <jbailey> Sweet. =) <Kamion> nufan: surely you must have heard of summer time <thom> nufan: during the winter, it is. during the summer, we do daylight savings and go forward an hour <hunger> Arg! Somebody should build a flat planet! <nufan> Us brits invented time, so we can do whatever the hell we like with it :P <Riddell> we get so spoilt at being in sync with GMT for half the year we forget we're out of sync the rest of the time <Riddell> nufan: acutally it was a Scottish Canadian man <nufan> I know about DST <nufan> But I assumed britan was on GMT <Kamion> BST => British Summer Time <afranke> hi all <nufan> Hello <hunger> At least we got the timezone confusion covered before the meeting starts;-) <nufan> heh <hunger> So far that was the hot topic for the first 30 min (and min. 60-90) of each IRC meeting I attended. <afranke> still half an hour to wait, huh ? <nufan> The wiki agenda is for Tuesday, whats being discussed today? <Kamion> nufan: breezy kickoff <nufan> Neato. <dholbach> nufan: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar <KaiL> in which channel was that advert? ;) <dsas> I've just realised the UK isn't running on UTC at the mo :$ whoops <afranke> :) <afranke> guess it's UTC+1 ? <dholbach> no <Kamion> the UK is on UTC+0100, yes <WebWiz> starts in 20 min then right? <WebWiz> either that our i calculated it wrong lol <Seveas> in the next meeting announcement, please mention date -u <Seveas> :)\ <afranke> http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?UTC/s/0/java for those who are looking for a UTC timer <Amaranth> 10 minutes? <afranke> yeah <Seveas> encounting... <dholbach> hey JanC <dholbach> jani <jani> hey dholbach :) <zul> hey <Nafallo> hmm, I need more coffein here. :-) <dholbach> good thinking * Nafallo left early from frenchclass. Grammar sucks ;-). <\sh> g'evening gentlemen <Echylo> hi <Treenaks> hello <zul> there is a meeting today? <Treenaks> in ~6 minutes * afranke is French and does like French Grammar:) <thom> zul: breezy kickoff <afranke> zul stands for ? * zul should read his email more carefully <Echylo> as long it is not german grammar, it's allright :p <afranke> oh ok * ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:mdz] : Breezy kickoff 19:00 UTC | Tue 17 May 20:00 UTC: Tech Board -- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda || Tue 10 May 16:00 UTC Community Council -- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda || http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar || This is NOT #ubuntu, nor #ubuntu-devel <\sh> i liked french grammar :) easy to accomplish, reading as well easy, but speaking and writing sometimes ;) <KaiL> Echylo: there is no real German grammar, it's random ;) <afranke> yeah, German grammar is hard <Echylo> haha <\sh> KaiL: hahaha <thom> good morning mdz <mdz> morning <ogra> hey mdz <mdz> the Breezy kickoff meeting will begin in 2 minutes <ogra> :) <afranke> hey <ajmitch_> morning <jbailey> g'm mdz <\sh> afranke: learn latin and u will your german challenge <jeroen_> Latin :) <afranke> I actually learned latin a bit <Echylo> I did latin for 2 years, didn't helped much <elmo> mdz: dude, your clock's out again <afranke> :) <Echylo> help* <\sh> Echylo: well...I learned it from my son...after all, it's quite easy ;) <Echylo> :) <\sh> Echylo: and after that, I understood some of our stupid german grammar ;) <Echylo> well it's quite dead, so I don't worry <jeroen_> not in the courts <Echylo> and I don't even try to understand german <\sh> Echylo: it will become famouse again ;) wait until papa was in germany ;) <Echylo> :) <\sh> just joking..no offense :) <mdz> elmo: step time server +1-226-633-4109 offset -139.290417 sec <mvo> morning mdz <afranke> mdz: shouldn't you switch Tue 17 and Tue 10 in the chan's topic ? <mdz> I sync time to my router, whose clock drift is insane <mdz> afranke: no, CC is tomorrow and TB is one week following <Treenaks> mdz: oh.. time drift is not /that/ insane? :P <afranke> yeah but I mean 10 comes before 17 <thom> mdz: i think afranke was suggesting that the CC announce should be first in the topic <afranke> right thom <Amaranth> *ding* <mdz> Treenaks: about 12 seconds/hour * ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Kamion] : Breezy kickoff 19:00 UTC || Tue 10 May 16:00 UTC Community Council -- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda || Tue 17 May 20:00 UTC: Tech Board -- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda || http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar || This is NOT #ubuntu, nor #ubuntu-devel <mdz> ok, let's get started <JaneW> mdz: we gonna wait a minute for stragglers? <JaneW> ok, not <mdz> JaneW: let's see if anyone's missing <Echylo> yea, need to get some coke :p <mdz> I know infinity couldn't make it <\sh> evening amu :) <amu> moin <JaneW> chmj didn;t make it either <ogra> hey amu <mdz> if you're an Ubuntu developer, please state that you're present <jbailey> mdz: here <ogra> here * mvo waves * Treenaks present <evarlast> hi jammcq, jay wren formerly from OU here :) <Riddell> present * pitti waves <seb128> present <zul> present * amu waves <dholbach> here <ajmitch_> present <haggai> here <thom> here * seb128 waves too <jani> hi * fabbione is here <lamont> moo <mdz> fabbione, doko? <mdz> ah, hi fabbione <fabbione> mdz :) <doko> here <mdz> JaneW: did daniels say whether he would be here? <Kamion> present <Amaranth> elmo? <mdz> elmo is here <JaneW> mdz: no not specifically * Nafallo is here :-) <Kamion> he set his sleep cycle with the intent of being here <Amaranth> Last I heard from daniels was him going to bed about 6 hours ago. <Nafallo> Mithrandir: did you make it? <Kamion> 13:03 < daniels> seb128: in the morning, need to go to bed now for breezy kickoff meeting <Kamion> (UTC+0100) <Amaranth> He'll probably show up in the middle. <mdz> ok, let's get started then <mdz> the meat of this meeting will be to review the list of Breezy targets, and determine who will work on which features <mdz> we have a long list, so we won't be able to spend much time on any of them <Amaranth> where is the list? <mdz> they're all specified in the UDU wiki if anyone would like to review <nufan> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals <mdz> no, that page is not valid <mdz> (yet) <nufan> Sorry. <Amaranth> that's probably what we're adding to here :) <mdz> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/temp/specs <mdz> that's the list we'll be working from today <mdz> infinity: hey, welcome <Amaranth> wow, you weren't kidding about it being long <dholbach> mdz: please remove GettingInvolvedInUniverse - it was a hands-on--experience BOF <thom> mdz: no BluetoothSupport? <pitti> grrr <mdz> thom: that must have been missing a tag; I've added it to my local copy <ajmitch_> Amaranth: it was a busy week <dholbach> thom, pitti: we had so much fun in the BOF :-) <seb128> seen, pitti is not happy ;) <mdz> dholbach: thanks <thom> mdz: ah, k <seb128> s/n// <Kamion> dholbach: remove BreezyGoal from that page, maybe <mdz> I trimmed the list by hand, but clearly I missed a few non-feature BOFs <dholbach> will do <mdz> Kamion: BreezyGoal is meaningless at this point; I'll be going through after the meeting <Kamion> figured it might be a bit, yeah <mdz> so, starting from the top <dholbach> Kamion: done <mdz> AudioCDBurinng <mdz> seb128 and ogra worked on this spec <ogra> yep <seb128> I've already uploaded serpentine <mpt> BreezyGoal was on all BoFs by default and people forgot to remove it <seb128> I'll take care of it <ogra> and gnomebakert is in already <ogra> -t <mdz> ogra: will you follow up on the remainder of the plan? <ogra> yep <mdz> great <mdz> AudioInftrastructure, pitti and fabbione worked on this spec <mdz> AudioInfrastructure, even <pitti> we could get into trouble with dmix, but it's worth a try <fabbione> mdz: yes, i already took some tasks inside it (kernel side) <fabbione> mdz: but the rest is alsa expert field <mdz> will you jointly own this project for Breezy? <pitti> yes <mdz> or is there anyone else who would like to get involved? <fabbione> mdz: i will take care of the kernel side... <pitti> crimsum <pitti> crimsun, even <dholbach> crimsun <mdz> have you talked with him already? <crimsun> sure thing, I'll look at the url <crimsun> (sorry, just reattached) <mdz> I wouldn't want to volunteer him for something without his permission ;-) <mdz> ok, take a look, we'll move on meanwhile <mdz> BluetoothSupport <thom> yep <mdz> thom and pitti worked on the spec <fabbione> does it need anything from the kernel side? * pitti has not a single bt device <mdz> thom: does it require both of you? <thom> i'm happy to take this on; i actually have some bluetooth hardware now :-) <mdz> who would like to help thom with bluetooth? <Riddell> I'll make sure kbluetooth gets pacakaged, although I don't think it's in the spec <mdz> especially those of you with appropriate hardware to use for testing <JaneW> Q: are we make one person primarily responsible or a first and second? <fabbione> thom: is there anything that needs to be done kernel side? <thom> fabbione: not that i'm aware of <fabbione> thom: ok thanks <mdz> JaneW: generally either one or two people take responsibility, depending on the project <thom> fabbione: the bluetooth drivers are pretty much complete afaik <dholbach> i can help testing <mdz> I expect this will not always be the same set of people who worked on the spec <abarbaccia> i can help testing as well - i have a bunch of bluetooth hardware <mdz> JaneW: please make a note of people who volunteer to help with testing and such, even if they can't take responsibility for implementation <mdz> thom: can you own bluetooth, or do you feel that you need a second? * \sh could try to contact marcel holtmann, to help out eventually <\sh> old working buddy <thom> mdz: i think i can own it <mdz> thom: ok, for the missing pieces, I'll need for you to create more detailed specs so that we have the option of bounties for them <thom> mdz: i'll just need lots of testing help; there's an awful lot of hardware to cover <mdz> BrandingForDerivatives <thom> mdz: noted <Kamion> I'm already in progress on the installer side of BFD <mdz> kamion and pitti were the spec leads <Kamion> (discussing with upstream; anything I can't do upstream I'll do locally) <mdz> I'd like for the two of you to stay with this one, since there's a lot of context <pitti> I can help a bit where possible, but it's mostly installer related <pitti> of course I'm in <Kamion> agreed. I'd prefer not to be sucked into the non-installer side though, if possible <JaneW> mdz: belated, sure <Kamion> so sounds like a joint project <jbailey> mdz: I can help look at that too, since I've done some of it once. <mdz> Edubuntu will be jeff elkner, colin applegate and eric harrison <pitti> Kamion: okay, then I'm responsible for the non-installer side then <mdz> I don't think they were able to attend this meeting <Kamion> pitti: nod <jammcq> mdz: i've got a SkoleLinux buddy who might like to help with Edubuntu <mdz> ExpandingUniverse, ogra and dholbach? <ogra> yep <dholbach> yes * ajmitch_ also <dholbach> already working on it ;-) <mdz> jammcq: please send contact details to JaneW <jammcq> k * \sh looks interessted ;) <mdz> FormalTestPlans didn't quite make it onto the schedule at UDU <jbailey> I'm interested in FTP <Riddell> \sh: lets get you to MOTU first (then we can take over universe) <mdz> is anyone interested in the development of formal QA test plans for testing Ubuntu? <mdz> jbailey: ok <\sh> Riddell: aggreed :) <ogra> mdz, amu already has some... <amu> mdz: sounds fine for me <dholbach> amu: didn't you have QA test plans? <dholbach> ah ok :-) <mdz> amu: ok, thanks <ajmitch_> dholbach: there was AutomatedTesting as well <mdz> GraphicalInstaller was a discussion/roadmap BOF <ogra> amu, i'll be there to help out <pitti> mdz: AutomatedTesting sounds like a subset of Formal QA <Amaranth> Is JaneW the secretary or something? :) <mdz> pitti: they are related, but FormalTestPlans is about creating documents that the community can use to participate in formal testing <mdz> pitti: step-by-step test plans <Kamion> GraphicalInstaller has one piece left in it <Kamion> namely putting the base system onto the live CD <mdz> Amaranth: JaneW is the newest member of the Ubuntu team <jbailey> pitti: FormalTestPlans should include user acceptance testing, and such. <infinity> mdz : Count me in on FTP with jbailey. <amu> ogra: ack <mdz> everyone say hello to JaneW ;-) <dholbach> JaneW: you rock! :-) * jbailey hands a drink to JaneW <pitti> hello JaneW <ogra> hello to JaneW ;-) * dsas waves at JaneW * Kamion waves to JaneW <Amaranth> mdz: Ah. You said to send info to her so I thought she was the meeting secretary. :) <crimsun> hi again, JaneW :) <doko> JaneW: hello JaneW <infinity> "Good morning, miss W!" <Nafallo> JaneW: hi there :-) <fabbione> mdz: not only.. she is also our new kernel name release manager :) * Amaranth waves <mdz> she will be helping us from a project management angle <seb128> hello JaneW <ogra> yeah <ajmitch_> hi JaneW :) <afranke> hi JaneW <KaiL> the most mportant with a graphical installer is an easy way to disable it :p <Amaranth> nogui boot option? <thom> JaneW: know who we all are yet? ;-) <Kamion> KaiL: it doesn't sound like you've read the spec at all <mdz> ogra: are you still interested in working on GraphicalPartitioningTool? <\sh> KaiL: server install will fit for you ;) <ogra> mdz, sure <dholbach> mdz: me too <mdz> ogra,dholbach: great <ogra> mdz, but dholbach would be a great addition <mvo> mdz: if help is needed there, I'm in too <ajmitch_> I can help there also <dholbach> woohoo! :-) * ogra doesnt like c++ <dholbach> the more the merrier :-) <ajmitch_> ogra: it's good fun ;) <mdz> LTSPXorgConfiguration is a daniels and jammcq affair <\sh> ogra: have a look at redhat installer ;) <TheMuso> mdz: if accessibility is being considered, I can put my hand up to help make sure that happens. <TheMuso> For the installer. <mdz> mvo: thanks <mdz> guys, we're not here to discuss the specs; we can do that on the mailing list and in the wiki <KaiL> \sh: problem are more laptops, which doesn't like framebuffer and such - but that's OT now <zul> i can help kernel side if need be <jbailey> parted is apparently looking for a new upstream, so you might run into issues there. <mdz> our primary purpose here is to organize who is going to work on which projects * JaneW says I am concentrating, don;t give me drinks! <Kamion> TheMuso: best if you work with either me or whoever ends up working on UbuntuExpress for that <mdz> LanguagePackRoadmap -> pitti? <pitti> of course <mdz> pitti: who can work with you on that? <pitti> with carlos' help <pitti> for the Rosetta side <mdz> pitti: I think someone from the distro side should work with you on it, since currently I think you're the only one who is very familiar with the language pack infrastructure <pitti> amu or Riddell would be nice, too, for the Kubuntu parts <Riddell> I can do that <amu> pitti: sure <pitti> indeed, someone else should learn that stuff, too <mdz> JaneW: put Charles down for language packs as well <JaneW> ok <mdz> LaunchpadIntegration is next <pitti> is adi still on board? <JaneW> pitti: yes <mdz> JaneW: for all of Breezy? <JaneW> mdz: I thought so, I heard they wanted to involve her more... <mdz> ok <JaneW> I'll check <mdz> seb128 and daf worked on LaunchpadIntegration <mdz> seb128: can you handle the Ubuntu side, and we'll get someone from Launchpad also? <seb128> no pb <mdz> thanks <mdz> JaneW: we'll need to requisition a launchpad developer from kiko/stevea <Nafallo> mdz: I can jump on to the languepacks <mdz> Nafallo: sure <pitti> Hey daf <daf> hi <seb128> hey daf <JaneW> did we skip ContentFiltering? <mdz> NFSRoot is part of EarlyUserspace at this point, right jbailey? <dholbach> daf: <mdz> seb128 and daf worked on LaunchpadIntegration <mdz> JaneW: yes, thanks <daf> dholbach: ah, context, thanks <jbailey> mdz: Yup, it's a couple add on scripts, and then some fixes to other existing packages. <fabbione> jbailey: is there anything you need kernel side for it+ <mdz> jbailey: that's yours, then <jbailey> fabbione: linda89@example.com. =) <mdz> fabbione: nothing we don't have already <fabbione> jbailey: ok... <mdz> hmm, except the initramfs infrastructure <mdz> which needs kernel-package modifications, I assume <fabbione> mdz: i need to be sure.. i saw around 20 references to the kernel outside the kernel roadmap <jbailey> Right, those are make-kpkg changes, not actual in-kernel stuff, though. <fabbione> jbailey: ok, than i am with you on this <jbailey> 'k <mdz> Mithrandir: are you here? <Kamion> has anyone phoned daniels, btw? if not, I can <mdz> Mithrandir was second on EarlyUserspace, if he can work with jbailey on that, that'd be ideal <mdz> Kamion: I haven't, and please do <Nafallo> mdz: he's in oslo. he should try to get internetaccess, but wasn't sure... <mdz> JaneW: let's check with Tollef when he returns <jbailey> I chatted with him 45 minutes ago. <infinity> fabbione : If you need/want help with anything make-kpkg related, let me know... I've been in pretty deep with Manoj many times. <mdz> jumping back to ContentFiltering... <fabbione> infinity: thanks, that will be breat <fabbione> great even <mdz> JaneW: ContentFiltering is jeff elkner and eric harrison; they aren't here, but it's an Edubuntu supporting feature <Kamion> answerphone from daniels' mobile <Seveas> silence..? <mdz> NetworkMagic -- thom? <thom> yeppity yep <daniels> *cough* <pitti> Hey daniels! <Amaranth> yay! <infinity> Morning, sunshine. <ogra> daniels ! <seb128> hey daniels * mvo wave to daniels <ajmitch_> morning daniels <daniels> morning <JaneW> hi daniels <daniels> hi all <mdz> daniels: interested in working with thom on NetworkMagic? <Kamion> daniels: don't think you've missed anything that belonged to you yet; we're working down http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/temp/specs, currently at NetworkMagic <ajmitch_> mdz: I'm interested <Nafallo> thom: I'll help testing on amd64 when you need it :-) <mdz> ajmitch_: cool <Seveas> Does networkmagic also cover WPA/802.1X for wireless networks? <mdz> Seveas: no, that's more of an ISPAuthentication issue <daniels> mdz: depends on how much it would involve; if ajmitch could better do it, that would work out well <infinity> mdz : I BoFd NetworkMagic a bit, and some of it runs squarely down my alley. <Treenaks> mdz: it should be part of NetMagic I guess <Seveas> mdz, WPA isn;t really an ISP thing <thom> Nafallo: i'm on amd64, but testing will be good :-) <Seveas> it really should belong at NetworkMagic <mdz> infinity: ok, you and ajmitch can work with thom on it <mdz> Seveas: that BOF was difficult to name; trust me that it fits there ;-) * infinity hopes there wil be clear and concise notes of everything I volunteer for after the meeting.. <Seveas> ok :) <Seveas> i'll wait for that one <mdz> Seveas: it includes network access authentication stuff in general <lamont> mdz: WirelessNetworkMagic has the WEP/WPA stuff, and exists as a spec of things that NetworkMagic needs to handle <mdz> WirelessNetworkManagement, you mean? <thom> yes <mdz> I don't see WPA mentioned there <mdz> at any rate, NetworkMagic itself will be complex enough, we can separate off the WPA bits <mdz> NetworkWideUpdates, specified by mvo and infinity <mvo> mdz: I can take it <jbailey> mdz: I had many conversations with mvo and infinity, I'd like to be involved on thatl <mdz> I'm sure we have a number of folks here who would like to at least participate in testing <mdz> (if you're among them, speak up) * ajmitch_ wants to test <mdz> jbailey: ok, sounds good <fabbione> i can test i think <infinity> mdz : I'll stay involved on that one, as well. <haggai> I'm apt-proxy author and am available if need be <Nafallo> mdz: I'll test :-) <mdz> I'm not sure that it needs three people, but we can put all of you down and see how it falls later <infinity> mdz : <nod> <fabbione> mdz: i already did something similar in a previous job <infinity> Easier to kick people off a task than to bring new people in. <fabbione> mdz: so i can help there <mdz> fabbione: ok <mdz> OEMInstaller <mdz> specified by Kamion and Mithrandir <JaneW> mdz: I am not clear what I need to check with Tollef... <JaneW> oh EarlyUserSpace, whether he'll run with it? <mdz> JaneW: yes <mdz> JaneW: also OEMInstaller now <JaneW> mdz: sorry I have horrible lag here suddenly - I'll try to keep up <mdz> JaneW: we can go over the log afterward if necessary <Amaranth> we lost thom! :/ <Kamion> it seems practically certain that I'll end up involved in OEMInstaller somehow <infinity> Kamion : Seems so, yes. <mdz> Kamion: I should hope so <ogra> heh <Nafallo> hehe <Treenaks> Kamion: doesn't the branding tie into it as well? <Kamion> I may as well lead it <infinity> Kamion : If you need more input, it's something I'm quite interested in. <mdz> Kamion: agreed <elmo> we should just auto-assign anything matching '.*staller.*' to kamion and move on <elmo> ;P <fabbione> elmo: ehhehe <Kamion> Treenaks: OEMs might well want that, but I think it's orthogonal to that spec <ogra> elmo, like "the partitioner ate my disk" ? <mdz> elmo: we need to distribute the installer experience a bit :-P <mdz> OpenOfficeLocalisation is next <Kamion> infinity: yes, please. I don't know how much time Tollef will have early on. <mdz> specified by doko and carlos <doko> yes, we should work both on that <mdz> doko: we definitely want you on this <mdz> JaneW: need to confirm with Launchpad mgmt regarding carlos <JaneW> mdz: ok <mdz> PrintingRoadmap, specified by pitti and daniels * pitti raises hand <mdz> (speaking of which, I switched from hpoj to hplip yesterday, and it's 100% better) <pitti> mdz: then we need you for testing <infinity> JaneW : Sign me up for OEMInstaller, if you haven't already. <mdz> I believe daniels has similar hardware, which is one of the reasons he's associated with this topic <JaneW> infinity: done ;) <KaiL> printing is something, which might need very much testers..? <mdz> KaiL: definitely <pitti> mdz: ah, ok; however, I can do and test the other magic <elmo> the lunchpad has a HP now <elmo> (FWIW) <Amaranth> I have a lexmark p707 i can be a guinea pig with, if needed. <infinity> PrintingRoadmap will need lots of testers, not the least of reasons being that most programmer don't own printers. :/ <KaiL> lol * fabbione can borrow a printer for testing <mdz> pitti: hplip just needs to be de-rooted, and we should be able to add it to the default install to have all-in-ones Just Work <Amaranth> I actually had to installed an rpm to make it work, so I'm interested. :) * ogra has 3 printers around <mdz> daniels: can you stick with PrintingRoadmap? <minghua> I've got a HP inkjet (845C I think) and I can help testing if needed <jbailey> I have a mixed network I can use for windows testing of printing, but that might be more under WindowsInteroperability <daniels> mdz: sure <mdz> ok <infinity> jbailey : I'm just going to steal you wholesale for anything vaguely Win32-related. <daniels> i'm not entirely convinced I'll get to keep the psc1210 with me when I move out <mdz> ShtoomVoip, specified by `anthony and thom <daniels> but I should at least have access to it when I need it <KaiL> we could use the community for testing here - if any printer needs manual work, this manual work should be automated in the next version <mdz> `anthony is likely asleep <jbailey> infinity: Yes, dear. <Nafallo> canon bjc-600e parallell avalible. <thom_> quite happy to take shtoom packaging, daf's done most of the hardwork ;-) <daf> thom: you're welcome :) <Nafallo> thom: I hope to be able to test bits of that :-). <daf> thom: I have some FHS compliance work on my todo list <thom> mdz: the server side stuff will need to drag elmo in, too <mdz> thom: yes <elmo> uh, whatnow? <fabbione> elmo: you get to pay beer to everybody <pitti> fabbione ++ <thom> elmo: sip servers on our hardware... i mean, what fabio said <elmo> oh, that, ok <fabbione> ;) <elmo> that crack is a breezy goal? * \sh has ser running and has experience in running and administrating it, I would take it as volunteer work for ubuntu on my todo list .. <daf> thom: will you be doing the SER packaging, then? <thom> elmo: ya <elmo> score <mdz> JaneW: in addition to the packaging bits of this, there's a pretty sizeable development project; we need to check with Mark on his plans for that <Nafallo> thom: asterisk connectivity will be there for me to test, right? :-) <mdz> ThinClientIntegration will be primarily jammcq and myself <mdz> though we will need a lot of testers <JaneW> mdz: ok... <mdz> JaneW: adi mentioned that she had testing facilities available <fabbione> mdz: count on me for testing... <jbailey> I should be marked on there somewhere, since it depends on nfsroot and earlyuserspace. <mdz> and hopefully jammcq can help get us in contact with testers from the LTSP community <mdz> jbailey: yes, that's a direct dependency * jammcq has many many people just begging to test <mdz> excellent <mdz> ToggleDesktopModes, specified by jdub and seb128 <seb128> mdz: I've worked on sabayon yesterday and today, package ready <seb128> mdz: so for me <dholbach> seb128: woohoo * Riddell will be doing kiosk mode <mdz> dholbach: I take that to mean that you'll work with seb128 on it? ;-) <dholbach> mdz: the GNOME team will :-) <ogra> hehe * infinity keeps waiting for each spec to be followed by seb128 saying "I already packaged that"... <sivang> now here is someone you havn't seen for some time :-) <seb128> ah ah <Amaranth> hehe <mdz> Riddell: let's discuss that sometime soon; I think it overlaps in some places but doesn't provide the same functionality that we originally intended for this feature <dholbach> infinity: ho wait... that's all ExpandingUniverse, right? :-) <mdz> JaneW: I know sivang is interested in helping with LaunchpadIntegration <sivang> JanC: very much :-) <JaneW> ok, noted <mdz> ToolchainRoadmap was specified by doko and jbailey, and they are already making progress on it <jbailey> Ayup <seb128> mdz: there is no real need to help with the way we have picked (ie: there is not a lot of work), but right <mdz> there's a substantial universe component to that, so perhaps dholbach or ogra should be involved <dholbach> jbailey, doko: when will be the big bang for c++? <JaneW> could people who I don't know, but are volunteering to help, please mail me with their real name, nick name (and e-mail address) to linda89@example.com. thanks. <ogra> mdz, ok <dholbach> mdz: absolutely * fabbione will brb <mdz> ok, both <doko> mdz: helping hands for the renaming uploads of library packages would be nice. <jbailey> JaneW: What % of the distro team does that include? * jbailey hides. <Amaranth> JaneW: Volunteering to help or test? <lamont> jbailey: she has a spreadsheet now, with all of us. <tseng|work> jbaily: what % is 3 of 16? <dholbach> doko: i'll mobilize the MOTU side of the force :-) <Nafallo> JaneW: done <infinity> doko : I'm in for rapid transition stuff. <seb128> jbailey: that probably includes me, I never got the mail about the evolution bug I was supposed to get :p <JaneW> jbailey: watch-it, I studied! <doko> infinity: fine <lamont> doko: how much of the rename is scriptable? <mdz> doko,JaneW: charles can work with doko on ToolchainRoadmap <trulux> heya <pitti> Hi trulux <trulux> hey pitti <dholbach> lamont: don't think it's possible - because of changed and tightened build-depends, or am i wrong, doko? <trulux> pitti: I came to talk a bit on the new spec. <pitti> trulux: in #ubuntu-devel please <dholbach> trulux: we're mostly assigning <doko> lamont: I don't think much for the libraries. better do these by hand. <tseng|work> trulux: can you please follow the agenda <trulux> pitti: before uploading andso on (I got back a partially funcitonal box until I recover the backups from the devel. one) <lamont> doko: ok <sivang> hey trulux <trulux> hey sivang ! <mdz> UbuntuExpress is primarily my fault, but I don't expect to have the time to be the lead on the implementation (and I don't expect Kamion to either) <trulux> tseng|work: sure <Kamion> I imagine both of us will be contributing fairly significantly, but agreed <JaneW> mdz: time check, we're an hour in now. <ogra> mdz, i'd like to care for the gui part <tseng|work> trulux: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/temp/specs, we'll get to you <mdz> JaneW: kiko mentioned that he had people in Brazil who were very interested in UbuntuExpress, we need to follow up on that <mdz> JaneW: thanks, I think we'll probably cut it off at 2 hours and defer the rest to mail or a second meeting <Kamion> whoever takes it up needs to be very conscious of working with people, and not just going it alone (a symptom I've noticed) <Kamion> since much of the point is to have something well-integrated <Amaranth> ok, let's start flying :) <trulux> tseng|work: ok, thanks. I'll get finished the u-h spec soon <mdz> JaneW: ogra + check-with-kiko's-people on UbuntuExpress <ogra> thanks :) <mdz> JaneW: they'll be working directly with me and Colin to be sure that it follows our intentions <Kamion> a number of people have expressed interest in a live CD installer at various times, so we should get design stuff out early and often <Kamion> to bring them in <mvo> mdz: I would like to be part of it too <mdz> mvo: sounds good <mdz> Kamion: yes, it will need extreme amounts of testing <mdz> VideoPlaybackRoadmap, specified by seb128 and daniels <seb128> mdz: I'm handling the gstreamer part, daniels the xine part <mdz> sounds good <mdz> JaneW: Charles expressed interest as well <daniels> yeah, I'm going to be putting a newer xine into universe <mdz> and of course there will be gobs of testers needed <JaneW> mdz: ok <mdz> daniels: and trying to get a stripped-down xine into main, right? <Nafallo> daniels: great! I'll test it :-). <mdz> (the goal is to have a reasonable playback engine in main) <elmo> mdz: reasonable how? <Amaranth> wouldn't gstreamer cover that? <tseng|work> a member at the bof thought it was very feasible to rip out patented bits of xine <elmo> (err, nm, can discuss elsewhere) <Amaranth> with pitfdll it handles all major formats <seb128> Amaranth: the spec says we keep both option and pick the best one <KaiL> tseng|work: and what is left then? <tseng|work> pitfdll isnt distributable in a working state, no dlls <tseng|work> KaiL: open formats without ridiculous sync issues in gst? <mdz> ok, no time to discuss it now, review the spec and take discussion to the mailing list <tseng|work> anyway, discuss later <tim1> tseng|work: with gstreamer you can just decide which modules you want to have in main or universe, no hassle with stripped-down versions <KaiL> tseng|work: problem that around no files are in these open formats :( <mdz> XRoadmap will be led by daniels <Nafallo> naturally :-) <KaiL> so better force the people to install media support later than have something nearly useless as default.. <fabbione> mdz: i will be around as backup <mdz> fabbione: ok <daniels> seems pretty sensible, yeah <fabbione> daniels: start to put everything in arch archives please.. <daniels> mdz: i believe the plan with xine was to strip it down in universe and see how feasible it was, and then to later use that to make a decision on gstreamer vs xine <daniels> fabbione: i'm putting all the smaller packages into bazaar-ng archives as I split them <fabbione> daniels: ok. <mdz> Xen is already being implemented by fabbione <fabbione> mdz: no, Xen plans have changes <jbailey> I should probaby be on that, some of the glibc changes affect Xen. <fabbione> mdz: Mithrandir and smurfix are working on it now <Amaranth> that's a 2.6.12 feature, isn't it? <fabbione> Amaranth: no <dholbach> there was somebody on the mailing list having success with it * JaneW puts jbailey's name on everything... ;) <jbailey> JaneW: Oh please don't... ;) <ogra> hehe <afed> is this a meeting <fabbione> mdz: Mithrandir and smurfix are also evaluating another virtualization implementation that is more portable than xen <dholbach> afed: yes <Nafallo> I'm gonna test Xen aswell ;-) <afed> o <hunger> fabbione: Which one? <mdz> JaneW: ok, need to follow up with Mithrandir and smurfix and see where that's going <fabbione> mdz: my side i will be available when it is time to merge into the main kernel as we agreed during the BoF <sivang> mdz: do we support pSeries hypervisor virtualization like redhat and suse does? (i.e. all it takes is a patched kernel for virutal hardware and hypervisor connectivity) <fabbione> hunger: it's not publically available yet. <mdz> sivang: we haven't looked at it yet; I didn't realize the software was free <sivang> fabbione: I have access to the hardware, would love to test a such when/if realized <sivang> mdz: ah ok, if I have further details, I'll email -devel <mdz> sivang: thans <fabbione> sivang: you want to talk with Mith and smurfix <mdz> thanks <sivang> fabbione: k <mdz> LaptopMission is missing from the high priority list <mdz> JaneW: that'll be largely mjg59 <Seveas> between video and xen i missed wirelessnetworkmanagement and xroadmap <mdz> thom: can you back up mjg59 on that? <mdz> Seveas: we discussed them <infinity> What happened to things still marked "NeedsPriority"? <infinity> (specifically thinking of ServerTeam) <mdz> infinity: things still marked NeedsPriority need to be revisited at a later time <JaneW> infinity: in most cases they were left off <infinity> Fair nuff. <mdz> if they weren't obviously HighPriority, they haven't made it into the list yet <blk> is there someone discussing the point "init" tomorrow? (i'm esp. interested if initng is part of the topic) <JaneW> infinity: cvd and I gave some of them a default medium status, but that started confusing things, so we stopped <dholbach> blk: the meeting is right now <mdz> that covers the high-priority tasks pretty well <mdz> let's get through as many medium-priority tasks as we can in the next 45m <Kamion> blk: unless it was one of the things we sat down and specified/designed at UDU, it isn't being discussed here <mdz> AutomatedProblemReports <JaneW> ok, there were 3 discussed that weren't on my list <mpt> blk: FasterBoot is marked as LowPriority, so we probably won't get to it in this meeting <pitti> that covers half of the world, but I'll see how far we will come with that; however, stripping debug symbols and basic crash reporting should be feasible for breezy <mdz> (pitti and mvo) <blk> ok, sorry for interrupting <pitti> mdz: I'm in of course * pitti looks forward to do yet another strip session on the buildds <mdz> pitti: yes, but be sure that you can balance the load with others, since you have some high-priority tasks already * lamont reminds pitti that he gets to actually design something to deliver extra files this time <pitti> mvo ? <mvo> mdz: I'm not too keen on it to be honest, but I can help (and I already put some work in the spec) * JaneW thinks lamont needs some work for the next few days... <pitti> mvo: we need you for event-notifier * mvo runs <mdz> is there anyone other than pitti and mvo who is interested in automated problem reports? <lamont> JaneW: given that it's a hack anyway you go at it, I'd rather have someone else screamed at... :) * ogra is just interested to get hwdb data in there <mdz> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomatedProblemReports <jbailey> mdz: I have some exposure from the bugzilla/bug-buddy hacking as well as support stuff. <jbailey> mdz: Getting crunchy for available time, though. * sivang_away wonders about event-notifier and griefs the process of trying to track UDU over the web :-) <seb128> mdz: I'm interested by the debug stuff <pitti> sivang_away: it doesn't exist yet <pitti> yeah, we need a pygtk hacker for a frontend * Amaranth looks up <mdz> seb128,jbailey: I'd appreciate your involvement, of course, but I think we need someone who can dedicate a lot of their time to it <Amaranth> frontend for what? <pitti> problem reports <mdz> fabbione: are you interestede in APR at all? <pitti> I have a basic prototype, but not very nice <fabbione> mdz: nope... <KaiL> the only working frontend is IRC, or? :) <ogra> pitti, i can help you with that <pitti> fabbione: it involves kernel panic reports :-) <mpt> pitti: You need design work? <mdz> infinity: or you? <fabbione> pitti: fix your hardware :) <pitti> mpt: probably a bit, yes <pitti> fabbione: fix your kernel crashes <sivang_away> fabbione: lol <Amaranth> that reminds me, anything with a user interface should have mpt autoassigned to it ;) <thom_> argh, can we not call it APR please ;-) <infinity> mdz : I can hack on the guts, but the frontend probably needs someone more gui-oriented. :) * mpt ducks <mdz> infinity: the guts need the most attention <infinity> mdz : Fair enough. Sign me up, then. <mdz> JaneW: we'll need to make some extra passes over this list when it's said and done, to make sure the workload is balanced <Amaranth> next topic? <mpt> pitti: You have my e-mail address? <mdz> JaneW: so include everyone who expressed interest in AutomatedProblemReports, and we'll revisit it at that stage <mdz> CalendaringSynchronisation is next <JaneW> ok <mdz> Mithrandir and jbailey worked on the spec <jbailey> mdz: The deal with CalendaringSynch was basically finish up some stuff in evo, and then wait until upstreams catch up. <jbailey> mdz: Might be best to just defer it. <mdz> there doesn't seem to be much meat here <jbailey> mdz: Otherwise it's potentially a large development effort. <Nafallo> bounty? <mdz> jbailey: we'll want to create more detailed specs for the pieces which are missing, as candidates for bounty projects <jbailey> mdz: 'k <mdz> jbailey: can you take on the specification piece? <jbailey> Yes. <mdz> great <mdz> ClusterFilesystems - fabbione? <fabbione> clusterfs is jdub and mine. i think we already splitted the tasks <fabbione> i am almost done with the packaging. i need to review some bits tho <fabbione> mdz: i would appreciate some people to help with testing <fabbione> (that means at least 2 spare machines available) * Nafallo can't :-( <mdz> anyone here interested in clusters? <amu> fabbione: count me as a tester <fabbione> amu: great.. <mdz> especially if you happen to have a cluster available ;-) <fabbione> mdz: ehhehe <ogra> hehe <pitti> fabbione: interested in testing <Nafallo> mdz: interest is here, but I lack hardware :-/. <fabbione> also mixed hw is good <pitti> fabbione: if 4 computers count as a minicluster, that is <fabbione> there is no need to have only i386 <ogra> fabbione, add me to the testers list <lamont> fabbione: I could almost certainly get involved in the testing <mdz> ok, FasterNetworkedX...is there something we can actually do here? <infinity> pitti : Anything over 1 can be a cluster, for the purpose of testing. <fabbione> JaneW: are you taking notes? ;) <fabbione> thanks guys <mdz> daniels: ? <jammcq> isn't that integrating NX/FreeNX? <mdz> yes, though the spec says disparaging things about it <JaneW> fabbione: trying too, though I think I am going to have fun re-reading all this for the bits I've missed <Riddell> put NX into universe, it's often requested <Riddell> I can do look into it <ogra> mdz, Mithrandirs already works on something.... iirc <mdz> ok, daniels should be involved, Mithrandir has already done some work, and jammcq is interested <mdz> and Riddell <mdz> I think it is a one-person task, but we need to do some followup to see what has been done already among that group <mdz> FileManagerImprovement <mdz> seb128: is there a clear implementation plan for this? <seb128> not really <seb128> half of the point are really upstream code changes <daniels> mdz: mainly mithrandir; there's arelly not much we can do for FNX <pitti> push midnight commander into main? /duck <seb128> I don't feel like doing all of them, maybe we want bounty some stuff? <mrz123> greetings <dholbach> bugreport-prioritization-and-boutying <Seveas> +1 on pittu :) <seb128> the other part should be fine <KaiL> pitti: goood idea <daniels> Riddell: i'd like to see any potential packages before they're put into universe, just as a sanity check * _mvo_ had network trouble <Riddell> daniels: yep <mdz> seb128: we can bounty some of this work if there are sufficiently detailed specs <seb128> pitti: that's GettingRideOfTheDesktop :p <seb128> mdz: I'm thinking about the place/bookmark unification between nautilus and the rest of the desktop <seb128> mdz: I can spec that if we want to bounty it <mdz> seb128: ok, please do <KaiL> seb128: that's also "give users a console editor with a normal UI" :) <mdz> FontHandling <seb128> k <Amaranth> seb128: Someone it working on a spec for that, if I understand the mail to d-d-l correctly. <mdz> mako and jdub worked on the spec <afed> i'd like to make ubunto closed source so terrorists cant read the source code and use it to make viruses pls <mdz> neither of them is likely to be able to spend time on implementation, though <seb128> Amaranth: I've already talked with some upstream about this, cf the gnome wiki <Amaranth> afed: ... <mdz> Amaranth: don't feed the troll <doko> mdz: I'm taking care of OOo2 font side, and prepare a test plan <mdz> there isn't a clear implementation plan, so let's consider it needs-attention for now <mdz> doko: though please do carry on with that <mdz> GdmRoadmap - seb128? <minghua> I would like to work on Chinese fonts <mdz> seb128: this sounds like it needs bounty specs <seb128> mdz: jdub wants to bounty that to Vincent Untz <seb128> will talk with him at GUADEC probably <seb128> both of them in fact <ogra> seb128, that also includes xscreensaver ? <mdz> there are several different projects here <seb128> k, I'll talk with jdub to spec that <afed> sorry for trolling, you guys are obviously too smart for that <mdz> seb128: panel enhancements, same story? <seb128> we had no BOF about this afaik <seb128> and I disagree with half of the stuff on the wiki page <mpt> seb128: correct * KaiL votes for removing screensavers, as they are contraproductive in modern computers...:) <mdz> JaneW: ok, flag it to review please <Amaranth> but they're fun! <mdz> GraphicalConfigTools, spec by ogra and seb128 <mpt> seb128: Correct on both counts, even :-) <ogra> mdz, not really a spec <mdz> looks like three specs to me <ogra> mdz, it says we will do feasability studies <amu> ogra: xDSL ... <Nafallo> something to control hdparm would be great. <mdz> we should definitely do the password changing tool <mdz> there has also been a lot of demand for a simple service configuration tool <ogra> mdz, ok, i'll take whats decided there <mdz> JaneW: ok, ogra will work on it, and/or perhaps bounties <ogra> mdz, but we didnt spec it to the end... * Nafallo remembers seeing something with DMA-settings in early hoary? <ajmitch_> there are other BOFs (SELinux) where we want some graphical config, so I can help <mdz> ogra: depending on your availability, perhaps you can help with the specs for bounty work <ogra> sure :) <thom_> note that there's mention of service restart in networkmagic, too <ogra> ok <mdz> Kamion: you've got simpleresize and stage2progress, right? <thom_> (using a dbus daemon to do restart services) <ogra> thom_, woah <ogra> thom_, thats cool <Kamion> mdz: yes * afranke checks his watch : 25 minutes left... <mdz> fabbione: you are second on the InstallerVolumeManagement spec, and Kamion has a heavy load; can you own it? <ajmitch_> ogra: either that or hack dbus into daemons :) <thom_> i'm happy to help fabbione on that one <fabbione> mdz: i can help for sure, the changes are not too difficult <mdz> ok, great <ogra> ajmitch_, hmm, touching all daemons ? <thom_> (InstallerVolumeManagement, that is) <mdz> IntroDeveloperDocs <Kamion> the automatic-/boot-outside-LVM thing is the hardest bit I think, but we can talk about that later <tseng|work> i spec'd that <ajmitch_> mdz: tseng, and other MOTUs (like myself) <fabbione> Kamion: yes, we need to coordinate that one properly <tseng|work> im planning to do most of the writing in the next few weeks and pass to doc team <mdz> tseng|work,ajmitch_: can you take responsibility for it? <tseng|work> done. <ajmitch_> ok <mdz> ok, great. please get a name of someone on the doc team who can be responsible for that portion as well <Burgundavia> I can do it <tseng|work> we already have jerome and mary <ajmitch_> thanks Burgundavia :) <mdz> KubuntuRoadmap - amu and Riddell? <amu> mdz: ack <Riddell> sounds like my sort of thing <KaiL> < kubuntu testing <KaiL> ..if Riddell doesn't have me on his ignorelist ;) <Riddell> KaiL: very welcome :) <Nafallo> mdz: I'll test the introdevdocs. when I'm MOTU, it worked :-). * hunger will test kubuntu. <mdz> LanguageSelector <Riddell> hunger: cool <pitti> I'm not really a GUI guy, maybe we have a pygtk hacker around here? <dholbach> Nafallo: :-) * seb128 hides
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