#ubuntu-learning 2010-04-04
<cprofitt> hey nigelb
<beginner_need_he> hello...could anyone here help to configure a router/firewall?
<pleia2> beginner_need_he: this channel is for developing learning materials, you probably want to check out #ubuntu or #ubuntu-beginners
<beginner_need_he> ok pleia2
<beginner_need_he> thx anyway
#ubuntu-learning 2010-04-05
<pleia2> doctormo: great email to loco-contacts
<doctormo> pleia2: about the FSF?
<pleia2> doctormo: yeah
<doctormo> pleia2: If you think it's good, then I might post it as a blog entry for Saturday
<pleia2> doctormo: I think you should, loco teams need to focus on practicality (while not forgetting freedom) and I think your team does a wonderful job of that
<pleia2> keeping the balance and all that :)
<doctormo> :-D
<doctormo> This weekend was manic btw
<pleia2> I bet! I'm so excited to hear about it
<doctormo> But we reached a ton of people
<pleia2> totally have to write a post about it for fridge, with photos
<doctormo> And there were a load of people who already use Ubuntu, or use older versions, or were saying that their brother, father, friend uses it.
<pleia2> cool :)
<doctormo> http://doctormo.org/2010/04/03/ubuntu-and-the-fsf-ideal/
<doctormo> We actually went round the Artist Ally handing out the flyers, because they had a ton of info about graphics programs which we think a lot of them can use.
<doctormo> We got a few comissions out of it too.
<pleia2> cool :)
<doctormo> Always make friends with artists, you never know when you need some propergander art :-P
<cprofitt> anyone seen Vantrax lately?
<cprofitt> hey bodhi_zazen
#ubuntu-learning 2010-04-06
<ZachK_> pleia2: ping
<pleia2> ZachK_: hey
<ZachK_> pleia2: never mind...was going to ask you to come to -meeting....but you were there....
<cprofitt> nhandler: you around?
<nhandler> cprofitt: Yes
<cprofitt> hey bud... was looking for doc people... Zach stepped up
#ubuntu-learning 2010-04-07
<jcastro> hey cprofitt
<jcastro> cprofitt: what are you doing a talk on at FOSSCON?
<cprofitt> I can do a few -- but jonathan has not told me yet
<cprofitt> I would like to do one about FOSS in EDU
<cprofitt> and would not mind doing another on information seucrity or some such...
<cprofitt> or even organizing a community group...
<jcastro> ok
<jcastro> I am coming and I don't know what to talk about, heh
<cprofitt> jcastro: sorry for being gone for a while...
<cprofitt> kids needed tending
#ubuntu-learning 2010-04-08
<doctormo> pleia2: The sysadmin class is going well, but trying to edit the materials is proving to be quite dificult.
<doctormo> pleia2: While we have a good ideal format, we don't have good editing davidhull@example.net.
<doctormo> I wonder how the manual it doing it.
<pleia2> doctormo: the asciidoc?
<pleia2> they're putting everything in latex and converting to docbook
<pleia2> but it might be worthwhile to have a chat with benjamin about specifics
<pleia2> doctormo: will you be at uds?
<doctormo> I will
<doctormo> So will ben
<pleia2> yay :)
<doctormo> pleia2: will you?
<pleia2> yep!
<doctormo> Brilliant. :-D
<doctormo> We can have a who-down
<pleia2> should be some doc people there too, hoping to hunker down with them a bit
<pleia2> hopefully work on more collaboration and sort out the bad blood (mostly that exists between -manual and -docs)
#ubuntu-learning 2010-04-09
<pleia2> nigelb: reminds me... what ever happend with that course you were writing?
<nigelb> pleia2, well, I promised doctormo, I'll put onto a wiki.  its on my things to do
<pleia2> yesterday doctormo was expressing some concern over our process in general (we're going to touch base with the -manual team about what they use)
<pleia2> ok
<nigelb> only I'm swamped with around 7 bugs to fix in lucid
<nigelb> pleia2, I'll try to think of something
<nigelb> pleia2, re: scheduling and getting things done on time
<pleia2> I am thinking we might hold off until we talk to the -manual team and see what challenges doctormo is facing
<nigelb> you folks can have a nice talk at UDS!
<nigelb> I'm still suicidal and my friends homicidal about me not renewing my passport :D
<pleia2> aww
<pleia2> my passport is in the mail, just sent it off yesterday to change my name
<nigelb> pleia2, well on the bright side.  I can try for the next one, where I'm sure to meet a lot more folks I know :)
<pleia2> great :)
<nigelb> pleia2, I'll be available remotely the whole time for this UDS though :)
<pleia2> nigelb: that's good :)
<pleia2> morning doctormo
<doctormo> hello!
<nigelb> its late, so I'll head to bed.  catch you folks in a few hours :)
<doctormo> Have a good night nigelb
<nigelb> thanks doctormo, you have a great day :)
#ubuntu-learning 2010-04-10
<aude> good afternoon
<aude1> I've a problem with my US flash drive
<aude1> is there someone?
#ubuntu-learning 2010-04-12
<nigelb> doctormo, so, now I'm responsible for the edu fg of the beginners team and I'll be collaborating with the entire learning umbrella :)
<doctormo> nice
<doctormo> nigelb: how is the beginners team going?
<doctormo> can you tell me more abou tit?
<nigelb> doctormo, well, the FGs aim to guide anyone who wants to contribute in that direction to the right path, metoring them, helping them out etc
<doctormo> FGs?
<nigelb> like the wiki fg, aims to help folks be part of the doc team
<nigelb> focus groups
<doctormo> *face palm* tell me your not using that phraise. It's got such negative connotations these days.
<nigelb> doctormo, what? which?
<doctormo> "Focus Groups"
<nigelb> unfortunately, we do
<doctormo> continue
<nigelb> so, there are a bunch of us interested in edu stuff
<nigelb> it might be either of the 3 groups that we split into (I'll have to be in all 3 to coordinate)
<doctormo> That's true
<doctormo> But technically being in here and on the main mailing list should be all that's required.
<nigelb> so, I'll be getting you new recruits, etc
<nigelb> of course all the learning stuff happens here
<nigelb> I'll just guide the interested folks from BT to learning
<doctormo> Great
<pleia2> doctormo: benjamin said you're welcome to ping him with questions re: workflow
<pleia2> doctormo: also: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/doc-collaboration/
<doctormo> thanks pleia2
<pleia2> doctormo: the website is in bzr, right? where?
<doctormo> pleia2: Yes, it's on launchpad
<pleia2> ah, https://code.launchpad.net/~doctormo/ubuntu-learning-materials/website
#ubuntu-learning 2010-04-13
<doctormo> yep
<dinda> jfluhmann: ping
<dinda> ping anyone who knows anything about Moodle themes
<ZachK_> dinda: i know about "Noodles"
<pleia2> I know vantrax was working on one for a bit
<dinda> pleia2: just stuck trying to copy a theme inside the moodle theme directory - saying I don't have permission
<dinda> pleia2: I'm running a local install and just trying to copy a directory to another directory but my command line foo is weak
<pleia2> dinda: is it moodle installed via the ubuntu package?
<dinda> pleia2: yes
<pleia2> dinda: is the themes directory in /usr/share/moodle/themes - or something?
<dinda> pleia2: exactly
<dinda> theme
<dinda> no 's'
<dinda> trying to copy a copy of another theme into that dir
<pleia2> ok, lemme pop into one of the moodle installs I have and take a look at how I did permissions
<dinda> pleia2: doph!  it worked
<pleia2> :)
<dinda> apparently I just needed to tell someone the problem and then is mgaically fixed itself
<pleia2> lol
<pleia2> probably just need to use sudo, since it won't automatically allow users to put themes there
<dinda> yes, used that finally too :)
<pleia2> looks like on this server I didn't change permissions, the admin has sudo on this box
<dinda> pleia2: yes, that's the issue I'm working around, our servers I don't have root on the web server, only Moodle admin access and they don't have time to add the new theme I want so I'm testing local
 * pleia2 nods
<pleia2> I really wish webapps in ubuntu/debian (moodle, wordpress, drupal) had a better way of handling themes and plugins for the users
<pleia2> I always have to figure out clever things to do with our customers
<dinda> pleia2: yeah I've asking the design team for at least some of the new colors for the new brand but alas they can't even give us the palette yet
<pleia2> bummer
<pleia2> hopefully soon, I hear we're getting a new fridge theme sometime in the lucid cycle \o/
<dinda> pleia2: yeah, saw your post
<dinda> let's just hope it's sometime before meerkat ;)
<pleia2> yeah
<dinda> pleia2: now an even bigger problem - how to keep the cat off my keyboard when I'm working on the command line!
<pleia2> hehe
<pleia2> dinda: I haven't figured that one out yet :)
<dinda> pleia2: mine is retaliating by scratching up my new sofa
<pleia2> eep
<jfluhmann> dinda, pong (high latency, I know ;-)
#ubuntu-learning 2010-04-14
<Vantrax> lol evilnhandler...
#ubuntu-learning 2010-04-16
<pleia2> doctormo: have some time to talk about -materials?
<doctormo> pleia2: about to out for date night, would you like to talk about it tomorrow?
<pleia2> doctormo: I have a friend coming in tomorrow, but I should be able to find some time :) I'll nudge you then
<doctormo> great
<pleia2> have fun!
<doctormo> As a quick line though before I head out, I think our best bet is to nail ben down to a chair somewhere at UDS and get him to get other people to write a process, the software for the process and the materials.
 * pleia2 grins
<pleia2> I kinda figured thats where we were at
#ubuntu-learning 2010-04-18
<ptr20r2> hey all
<doctormo> hey ptr20r2
<ptr20r2> i need some help with ubuntu and chromeos
<ptr20r2> ubuntu live cd seems to have sufficient drivers for almost every gfx card and i wanted to transfere needed files and configs to chrome os. Is this possible?
<ptr20r2> can anybody help
<doctormo> ptr20r2: I'm not sure what your asking for
<ptr20r2> chrome os defaults to software rendering on anything that isnt an intel graphics chip. Ubuntu live cd however is able to cope with other chips and runs with hardware acceleration. since Chrome os is built on linux and closeley related to ubuntu, is there a way to transfer the drivers and the config files, if so, which ones?
<ptr20r2> oh, hi Edgar1
<Edgar1> hello ptr20r2
<ptr20r2> any ideas?
<Edgar1> I have some time out of here so dont know whats going on lately around here
<Edgar1> whats new?
<ptr20r2> chrome os defaults to software rendering on anything that isnt an intel graphics chip. Ubuntu live cd however is able to cope with other chips and runs with hardware acceleration. since Chrome os is built on linux and closeley related to ubuntu, is there a way to transfer the drivers and the config files, if so, which ones?
<Edgar1> I'm more into in web development...but with transfer the kernel, I guess that may be enough
<ptr20r2> i'm a little nooby, i know my way rount the command line and sudo ect.
<ptr20r2> could you explain
<doctormo> ptr20r2: It sounds like you need the xorg developers
<doctormo> This isn't a support channel, it's a place to organise the creation of learning materials, classes and publishing
<ptr20r2> but i'm getting learned right
<Edgar1> ptr20r2 you want the Chrome OS runs apps just like Ubuntu...in any chipset and graphics chip
<ptr20r2> yes
<Edgar1> the kernel its that manage all the chips(hardware) so its in the kernel
<doctormo> Well no, you also need xorg and all the xorg subsystems
<ptr20r2> is it goint to be a big cp fest
<Edgar1> I would say to try to compile the ubuntu derivated linux kernel on Chrome OS, and then reboot with that version of the kernel
<Edgar1> but as doctormo says you may need to configure stuff like Xorg and other process
<Edgar1> thats differ from a distro to other, even if have some relation
<doctormo> ptr20r2: Why do you want chrome os, why not just get ubuntu?
<Edgar1> exactly, chrome os is exactly like the ubuntu version of netbooks
<ptr20r2> yes got it
<ptr20r2> right on edgar
<ptr20r2> not even ubuntu will ferform on a 1.ghz intel atom
<Edgar1> well, the ubuntu remix its made for perform in most of the netbooks
<Edgar1> so I think it will in a 1 Ghz intel atom
<ptr20r2> yes but chromeOS is made of nothing, its like 2gb
<Edgar1> 2GB? ubuntu is less than 700MB
<ptr20r2> 2gb of partition 350mb of data
<Edgar1> oh well I see, its less
<ptr20r2> it boots directly to the browser
<ptr20r2> i'd just like to see it working
<Edgar1> ptr20r2 however, should be something for intel graphics chips in Chrome OS
<Edgar1> but thats more into in Chrome OS developers
<doctormo> ptr20r2: sounds rubbish to me, but if you two could take this to some other channel please.
<Edgar1> true, this channel is for other purpouse
<ptr20r2> kk
<Edgar1> #ubuntu is for support
<ptr20r2> it does have intel support, software for everything else
<Edgar1> ptr20r2 intel support out of box?
<ptr20r2> yes
<Edgar1> i see
<ptr20r2> btw i cant find channel #ubuntu
<Edgar1> the same as you get here but without the "-learning"
<ptr20r2> it's k ##
<Edgar1> just #
<Edgar1> irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
<ptr20r2> ty anyway
<ptr20r2> i'll be on my way
<Nono> hi
#ubuntu-learning 2010-04-19
<doctormo> hi Nono
<DiegoTc> ping pleia2
<pleia2> DiegoTc: hey
<DiegoTc> hi pleia2
<DiegoTc> pleia2, there is going to be another ubuntu user days?
<pleia2> DiegoTc: yep, join us in #ubuntu-classroom-backstage :)
<pleia2> if you'd like, we're actually talking about it now
<DiegoTc> ping pleia2
<DiegoTc> ping cjohnston  and pleia2
<pleia2> hey DiegoTc
<DiegoTc> hi pleia2
<DiegoTc> pleia2: Want to comment you something, I was talking with some guys from latimamerica about the creation of an ubuntu-learning team (spanish version)
<DiegoTc> this way we will try to use the benefits of the team into spanish
<pleia2> which part of the learning team? We're now doing three things: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning
<DiegoTc> right now we have planned to be encharge of the organization of the open week, USD, UDW
<pleia2> ah, so the Classroom stuff
<pleia2> I think a spanish version sounds great
<DiegoTc> pleia2: yeap it would be the Community Teaching (classroom stuff)
<pleia2> we're doing most of the organizing for that in #ubuntu-classroom-backstage
<DiegoTc> this way we will take advantage of this events for the spanish guys :D
<pleia2> yeah, I gave PabloRubianes contacts for each of open week, dev week, etc people
<pleia2> he was asking in -beginners-team this morning
<DiegoTc> yeap I wrote to them
<DiegoTc> Pablo nows about this plan
<DiegoTc> pleia2: so when we have created the wiki,lp team and the others things we can add the link to the learning wiki and this way the community will know about it
<DiegoTc> D
<DiegoTc> :D
<DiegoTc> thanks pleia2  for your time
<doctormo> DiegoTc: Don't forget to stay involved here, this is the hub for learnign activities, just so different groups can learn from each other.
<DiegoTc> doctormo: yeap here you learn great stuffs :D
<doctormo> pleia2: Did you get a chance to look at my debian packaging diagram?
<pleia2> DiegoTc: maybe put the page together and have us take a look so we put it in the right part of the project? I think your idea is really better davidhull@example.net/Classroom rather than linked directly on Learning
<pleia2> but I'm not completely sure
<pleia2> doctormo: nope :\
<pleia2> doctormo: link?
<doctormo> pleia2: http://imagebin.ca/view/MOGt_Tw.html
<pleia2> neat
<pleia2> who is the audience/
<pleia2> ?
<doctormo> So far I'm collecting thoughts
<doctormo> Eventually though it should make it's way into some sort of quick visual guide for the packing impaired
<doctormo> pleia2: This is what I basically want to do: http://imagebin.ca/view/79p58iGb.html
<pleia2> doctormo: have you seen some of the others that exist diagramming this?
<doctormo> Pardon?
<pleia2> http://bp1.blogger.com/_V_eFWvv9a2I/SAEtQdWZevI/AAAAAAAAAdo/TZzsTV6qpWw/s1600-h/Debian-package-cycle.png
<pleia2> I think there is another one out there too
 * pleia2 digs through notes
<doctormo> pleia2: Holy smoke! see that diagram, it'd casperise any rookie
<pleia2> oh yes, yours is much simpler and has a different target :)
<doctormo> http://imagebin.ca/view/YrEuABH8.html
<doctormo> Provoking understanding and documenting are different
<doctormo> I keep on trying to tell people this
<doctormo> You need lies, little lies, that don't always tell the whole truth
<doctormo> But enough to get going and let the reader digg further.
<pleia2> oh sure, I wasn't suggesting this was a replacement for yours, I was just exposing you to current ones in case there was anything you felt you needed to incorporate
 * pleia2 giggles @ http://mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/newdebian2.png
<pleia2> if you really want their head to explode!
<doctormo> Oh yes, I saw that one
<doctormo> :-)(
<doctormo> ScottK was explaining how dificult it is to find people to educate about deb packaging, because the skills are HARD and the similification almost imposible.
<doctormo> (I wanted to add: "to programmers maybe") :-P
<pleia2> honestly most packagers only need to know a snapshot of the process to be successful
<pleia2> it's impossible to know everything anyway, so it's terribly overwhelming at first, you just need to understand that you won't become an expert over night, do your best, and ask the right questions when you need to
 * pleia2 asks DDs tough questions, and most of them can't answer most of the time and have to dig up docs :)
<pleia2> I really thought I was stupid for a while WRT debian packaging, turns out it's just *really hard and complicated* and everyone has trouble
<pleia2> once I realized this I was much happier :)
<pleia2> (hint: don't compare yourself to westby or watson from day one, or year 3, they are masters)
<doctormo> Indeed
<doctormo> I gave up on understanding it when I realised hardly anyone else knew either
<pleia2> I wouldn't say I gave up, but I did stop beating my head against the wall and let the knowledge trickle in rather than being so agressive about it
<doctormo> Ah well, I gave up on active persuite, I assumed the know how would come to me in the fullness of time.
<doctormo> pleia2: http://divajutta.com/doctormo/learning/deb.pdf
<pleia2> doctormo: looks good so far, but it's sad that the diagram still looks so complicated at first glance
<pleia2> I might use something even simpler for the contents page
#ubuntu-learning 2010-04-20
<Vantrax> doctormo_, just wanted to say you are doing an awsome job with the work you have been doing
<doctormo_> Vantrax: Thanks, which work btw? learning, teaching, designing?
<Vantrax> I was looking more at the designing, but ive heard good things about your teaching as well.
<doctormo_> I think a lot of the designs are in beta still, but I'm happy to see a bigger designer community take root
#ubuntu-learning 2010-04-22
<doctormo> pleia2: Did you see the Canonical announcement about their ubuntu only sys admin training?
<pleia2> doctormo: yep
<doctormo> It's interesting to me as a course writer in the same sphere because while my course requires familarity with ubuntu at least as a desktop but no experence as an admin, Canonical's requires no "linux" experence, but some sys admin experence.
<doctormo> I think some of my course materials have to go more into the basics of systems administration because of the way I've positioned it.
<pleia2> yeah, if it's anything like what was planned at the training sprint in baltimore I attended with them early last year, it really is step by step "this is how you install a mailserver (postgres)" "this is how to install a webserver (apache)"
<pleia2> so they need to know what a mailserver and webserver are and how they work, but the course teaches them specific "doing this on linux" stuff
<pleia2> honestly it's not something I'd ever need or the direction I'd go with teaching such a thing, but apparently canonical thinks there is a market
<doctormo> Interesting, postgres is a database.
<pleia2> err, I meant postfix
<doctormo> ah haha
<doctormo> I'd go with exim4 anyway
 * pleia2 been doing too much postgres this morning :)
<pleia2> me too, but ubuntu ships with postfix
<doctormo> I used to help run a very large public mail system using exim, I just liked the fact that I could write filters in perl.
<pleia2> yeah, exim's flexibility is what made us go with it
<pleia2> postfix is good enough for most things these days though
<pleia2> I can see why ubuntu diverged from debian there, it's easier too
<doctormo> Mail servers and easy in the same line, heh
<pleia2> there is that, I wonder if they'll cover any spam stuff
<pleia2> simple concept, but I hate mail administration more than anything else I do as a sysadmin
<doctormo> I agree, it's one of the more complex tasks, spam management especially.
<doctormo> But suppose your running a mail server with multiple domains and hundreds of thousands of addresses.
<doctormo> It gets a little hairy
<doctormo> I think that's why that job was the last time I did systems administration
 * pleia2 nods
<pleia2> I'm perfectly happy working for a small company where our biggest clients only have multi-domain support for "hundreds" of users :)
<doctormo> I need to come up with some better practicals for the networking class, I did it last night and it seemed to lack the element of go that the others so far have done.
<pleia2> "the element of go"?
<doctormo> To act on something, to do
<doctormo> It was a lot of listening, theory and not much to do.
<pleia2> gotcha
<pleia2> if you wanna toss the draft I can see if I can make some suggestions
<pleia2> but networking is a tricky thing for practicals
<doctormo> Yes indeed, although I think I might end up cleaving the networking class into two parts, east and hard (or begginner and advanced)
 * pleia2 nods
<doctormo> because some details weren't even discussed last night, but they were in the documentation
<pleia2> that should be easy enough to do, I got by with very basic networking knowledge as a sysadmin for quite a while
#ubuntu-learning 2010-04-23
<doctormo> pleia2: Could I have a quote from you about ground control? for the website
<doctormo> Something related to learning materials etc
<pleia2> doctormo: sure, just need to wrap up this meeting
<pleia2> wow, licenses are bad enough, licenses tied to ip addresses?
<pleia2> migration nightmare
<doctormo> pleia2: Eh? propritary licenses?
<pleia2> doctormo: it's actually a license for using an API
<pleia2> this company a client deals with thought it would be a good idea to tie the license to the origin address
<doctormo> Ew, some of the terms for facebook, picasa and that other horrible photo site were quite bad.
<pleia2> makes me crazy, and I had to work an hour later to find the error that confirmed my suspicion
<pleia2> mazes of javascript and php, I need a drink now :)
 * pleia2 thinks up GC quote
 * doctormo thinks you should record this instance and perhaps others into a "why a company side FOSS preference would be a good idea from contractors and software puchases"
<doctormo> pleia2: Any luck ont hat quote?
<doctormo> cjohnston: And you said you'd do a quote right?
<pleia2> I am suffering from severe lack of focus this evening, just a moment :)
<pleia2> "Making a project easy to contribute to is vital to the success of a project like UCLP, with Ground Control were were able to slice the barrier to entry to our project without sacrificing the benefits of a revision control system."
<pleia2> I can say more if you want:)
<doctormo> Thats great, thanks pleia2
<pleia2> sure thing
<pleia2> doctormo: also, wow, that GC site looks amazing :)
<doctormo> I hope so
<doctormo> :-) I'm trying to think up a new icon
<doctormo> http://divajutta.com/doctormo/gcweb/
<pleia2> I like that rocket :)
<doctormo> pleia2: I updated the logo more after someone suggested a few things: http://groundcontrol.doctormo.org
<doctormo> Since you liked it before, wondering if you still do.
<pleia2> doctormo: ah, brighter now, nice :)
<doctormo> actually just got http://ground-control.org
<pleia2> yay
#ubuntu-learning 2010-04-26
<dinda> Vantrax: ping
#ubuntu-learning 2011-04-16
<saimanoj_> hello
<saimanoj_> anyone here?
#ubuntu-learning 2011-04-22
<juzzy_> hi, my ati card under ubuntu is playing up, something fierce, i have multiple drivers involved, how can i put it back to an original state?
#ubuntu-learning 2011-04-27
* ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-learning to: The Ubuntu Learning Umbrella Community | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning | Next Materials meeting, Thursday April 28th @ 0030 UTC (Wednesday at 17:30 Pacific) | Support in #ubuntu
 * pleia2 sends out crazy short notice meeting annoumcenet
<DarkwingDuck> hehehe
<jledbetter> Wow, that was!
#ubuntu-learning 2011-04-28
<DarkwingDuck> :D
<DarkwingDuck> pleia2: ping
<pleia2> yo
<DarkwingDuck> Hiya. :D Just wanted to say i remembered and I've signed up for the LP team
<DarkwingDuck> finally
<pleia2> oh yeah, approved
<DarkwingDuck> Kk
<pleia2> ok, meeting time :)
<pleia2> who all is here for it?
 * pleia2 nudges DarkwingDuck 
<DarkwingDuck> ^
<pleia2> :)
<pleia2> ok, once upon a time there was the Ubuntu Learning project https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning
<DarkwingDuck> Sorry, reading through my 500 bug report emails for docs
<pleia2> doctormo wrote some classes, taught some classes at his loco, but sadly we didn't get much beyond that, caught up in licensing, formatting and possible collaboration with docs and manual folks
<DarkwingDuck> Oh joy. :)
<pleia2> I think we just need to get past all this and write some stuff so we can teach ubuntu stuff at our locos
 * DarkwingDuck nods
<DarkwingDuck> If we are looking for ideas/tips for Locos
<pleia2> we have server davidhull@example.net so we should just write in formats we're familiar with, use CC-BY-SA content from the wiki and *buntu docs
<DarkwingDuck> We can keep the programs quite simle designed for them.
 * DarkwingDuck nods
<pleia2> simple is good
<DarkwingDuck> I believe CC-BY-SA that the docs use is 2.5
<DarkwingDuck> But, i was thinking of good topics.
<DarkwingDuck> Bug triage/bug days
<DarkwingDuck> testing ISOs
<DarkwingDuck> group activities
 * pleia2 nods
<pleia2> so we have a bunch of sections outlined in our Materials section: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Materials
<DarkwingDuck> I know for Kubuntu i'm building a help center that will include video tutorials
<DarkwingDuck> Ahh, there we go.
<DarkwingDuck> I'm going to be digging through the pages and see what we can find.
<pleia2> I think bugs, testing, etc would all go into development
<DarkwingDuck> Aye.
<pleia2> most of what we're doing with this project is already documented (or should be) so I think our job just needs to be delivering it to teachers/loco teams with a nice bow on top
<DarkwingDuck> So, what we have right now is a basic outline
<DarkwingDuck> Aye
<pleia2> and in the process we can update the proper documentatino :)
<DarkwingDuck> Sweet
<DarkwingDuck> When is UDS?
<pleia2> in about a week and a half
<DarkwingDuck> I wonder if we could get this in there...
<pleia2> possibly, but I think I might be the only one there
<DarkwingDuck> It's okay. i'm attending via IRC.
<DarkwingDuck> And you never know who will show up.
<pleia2> I took a break from this team because it was all talk, the thought of another UDS brainstorming session troubles me :)
<DarkwingDuck> lol
<DarkwingDuck> Okay, I'll look though and let's see if we can't get a timeline punched out to get these things released.
<pleia2> I also think we should toss some examples together
<DarkwingDuck> Aye
<pleia2> maybe each of us can toss something together and we can compare in a couple weeks?
<DarkwingDuck> I also think we should build some presentations as well as gather the training marerial
<pleia2> yeah
<DarkwingDuck> It would help those speakers who want to do a talk on a subject at a conference
<doctormo> pleia2: Yes, but we still learned a lot from it.
<DarkwingDuck> hey doctormo
<pleia2> doctormo: indeed!
<pleia2> DarkwingDuck: what I'm thinking is that we write a practical introduction for a subject with tips about teaching it, then link to documentation for doing the task (like iso testing docs)
<doctormo> Hey DarkwingDuck, where's Scrooge McDuck these days?
<pleia2> so the teacher reads the practical intro, prints out iso testing docs for students, or something smiliar
<doctormo> pleia2: I'm thinking about the video/homework in class model of teaching physical classes.
<DarkwingDuck> doctormo: Scrooge is still rolling in his coinage
<pleia2> it was fun putting together the stuff for the xubuntu testing at the berkeley jam, but having it already put together for me would have been nice
<doctormo> I saw a really good ted talk where the idea is to record videos of the lecture and have students watch davidhull@example.net.
<doctormo> Then in class is for the traditional home work.
<DarkwingDuck> Almost like a distance learning uni
<doctormo> We may not even need many people to record videos, but solid lesson plans for classroom activities would be important for that model.
<pleia2> doctormo: yeah, I'm familiar with it, that website that has all those videos, something university
<doctormo> Khan
<pleia2> that's the one
<pleia2> I always wished I could swim in coins like scrooge did in his vault
<doctormo> pleia2: They hurt to swim in, plus they're cold.
<pleia2> yeah, not at all practical
<pleia2> ok, here's my idea, whoever wants to puts together an example of what they want to see from this and we come back in 2 weeks or so and compare notes
<pleia2> oh, 2 weeks is during UDS, I am a crazy person, 3 weeks :)
<jledbetter> heh
<DarkwingDuck> hehehe
<DarkwingDuck> Okay, so, we want to collect ideas and toss together a couple lessions and bring them to the table next week?
<pleia2> now you're a crazy person!
<pleia2> actually I can probably be done in a week
<doctormo> DarkwingDuck: Sure, what topic would you like to cover?
<pleia2> I think I'll do Xubuntu LiveCD testing (I am cheating, I did this at the global jam so I already know exactly what I am going to write)
<DarkwingDuck> I'm fluid with most anything within Kubuntu... But, I'm a doc guy so I'm game for anything.
<pleia2> I kept thinking I'd do Desktop topics, but it turns out I'm really lousy at that, I'll probably pick up sysadmin topics later
<DarkwingDuck> :D
<doctormo> DarkwingDuck: I'm a grahpics guy, I even did the diagrams for the developer manual :-D
<pleia2> it goes like this "I will write one about xchat" *ten minutes later* "I HATE GUIS SO MUCH"
<doctormo> pleia2: You know I'll be at LGM while you're at UDS?
<pleia2> LGM?
<doctormo> Libre Graphics Meeting in Montreal
<pleia2> oh great
<doctormo> I'll be there to meet a bunch of inkscape, gimp, scribus people.
<DarkwingDuck> I'm learning graphics slowly
<pleia2> nice
<DarkwingDuck> I'm getting better and bette rwith inkscape
<DarkwingDuck> I used photoshop back inthe day
<doctormo> DarkwingDuck: http://doctormo.deviantart.com/
<pleia2> you can see the disasters I come up with by looking at jono's latest blog post
<pleia2> I really shouldn't be allowed near gimp or inkscape
<DarkwingDuck> ohhhhhh
<DarkwingDuck> LOL
<pleia2> right! DarkwingDuck, ok, one week from now we have some examples, Wednesday at 5:30 again?
<doctormo> pleia2: Did you draw the bear?
<pleia2> doctormo: no, it's the logo from the brewpub
<pleia2> I just stuck the two images together in gimp
<DarkwingDuck> Let's do it.
<DarkwingDuck> pleia2: sounds good to me.
<doctormo> DarkwingDuck: Email me when you need diagrams or help composing the lesson plans.
<DarkwingDuck> doctormo: bingo. Your LP doctormo?
<pleia2> oh bother, I was supposed to ask the hungarians about electric kettles
<pleia2> doctormo: think you could send some tea, or tell me what to buy? (san francisco has lots of tea)
<pleia2> I was on a plane recently and one of the stewardesses brought on some nice tea and she's all "I always bring it on san francisco flights *eyeroll*"
<pleia2> I laughed :)
<pleia2> apparently people like their tea here
<doctormo> pleia2: i know of two good tea shops in San-Fran, but this tea you need to get is British, so you'll have to make your way to the British or Irish store
<doctormo> PG Tips and Yorkshire tea.
<doctormo> DarkwingDuck: I am lp:~doctormo
<DarkwingDuck> doctormo: awesome
<pleia2> ok, I shall go on a tea adventure saturday afternoon
<DarkwingDuck> I'm LP:~david.wonderly
<doctormo> DarkwingDuck: You reported the groundcontrol bug right?
<pleia2> doctormo: http://www.poppyspantry.com/images/Yorkshire%20Tea.jpg ?
<pleia2> and PG Tips Black Tea?
<DarkwingDuck> What one?
 * DarkwingDuck reports too many
<doctormo> pleia2: Yes, black tea, caffinated.
<juzzy_> hello! how might i update from 11.04 beta to 11.04 the official release?
<juzzy_> IS it safe to uninstall FGLRX
#ubuntu-learning 2011-04-29
<juzzy_> HELP! all my file folder try to open with gedit text editor!
<pleia2> juzzy_: this channel is for developing class materals for ubuntu
<pleia2> I see you asked in other channels at the same time too, so you'll probably have better luck there
<juzzy_> cheers
#ubuntu-learning 2012-04-06
<JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: Do you know if the ubiquity installer will change for the final release? I'd like to start writing the guide right now
<pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: I doubt it
<JoseeAntonioR> then I'll start with the guide right away
#ubuntu-learning 2012-04-19
<Portaro> hola
#ubuntu-learning 2013-04-05
<kyconquers> I have a user in a group who is creating and editing files. I want the default ownership of those files to be user:group and not user:user. what file should I look in for this?
#ubuntu-learning 2014-04-10
<steven__> problem understanding how to correct a syntax error.
<steven__> bash: /home/steven/.bashrc: line 110: syntax error: unexpected end of file
<steven__> I'm a user of applications and not up on terminal technology

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