#ubuntu-marketing 2006-06-27 * Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-marketing.log (KenSentMe/#ubuntu-marketing) jenda: we don't seem to be in the ubuntu-meeting agenda bot atm. Do you know how we can add our meeting to his list? (jenda/#ubuntu-marketing) KenSentMe: I just sent the request (KenSentMe/#ubuntu-marketing) jenda: nice one <jenda> welcome, ubuntulog <jenda> thanks for that one, jane. <jsgotangco> hey <jenda> hello jsgotangco <KenSentMe> jenda: ubuntulog is not the talking kind i think <jsgotangco> yep this just logs <jenda> KenSentMe: check. It's a logbot. <jenda> Exactly what we needed. <KenSentMe> i know <KenSentMe> but great <KenSentMe> and where are the irclogs located? <jsgotangco> do you know where this guy logs? its at fabbione's shell i think as well <jsgotangco> p.u.c/~fabbione/something <jsgotangco> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ <jenda> thanks, jsgotangco <KenSentMe> jsgotangco: thanks * mode/#ubuntu-marketing [+o jenda] by ChanServ * ..[topic/#ubuntu-marketing:jenda] : Welcome to #ubuntu-marketing. This is the IRC channel of the Ubuntu Marketing Team. The Marketing Team helps fix Bug #1 by helping people help other people make the switch. And YOU can help US do that - just join the Team! || "It is ironic that Bill Gates claims to be building a stable OS and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world." || Channel logs at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ * mode/#ubuntu-marketing [-o jenda] by ChanServ <matthewrevell> Channel topic - do we want to frame the channel in terms of the old Microsoft versus the world debate? <ompaul> no <KenSentMe> matthewrevell: to my opinion we can remove the quote from the topic <ompaul> I suggest /topic Welcome to #ubuntu-marketing. This is the IRC channel of the Ubuntu Marketing Team. | The Marketing Team helps fix Bug #1 by helping people help other people make the switch. | Channel logs at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | <jsgotangco> yeah just make it simple <jsgotangco> no dramas * mode/#ubuntu-marketing [+o ompaul] by ChanServ * ompaul did not know I had ops here * ..[topic/#ubuntu-marketing:ompaul] : Welcome to #ubuntu-marketing. This is the IRC channel of the Ubuntu Marketing Team. | The Marketing Team helps fix Bug #1 by helping people help other people make the switch. | Channel logs at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | * mode/#ubuntu-marketing [-o ompaul] by ChanServ * ompaul should check his access list more often <matthewrevell> Cool, best to have a nice simple topic, I feel. <jenda> right * jenda didn't know ompaul had ops here either :) <ompaul> you do now ;-) <jenda> That quote was from when the channel didn't seem to have any real meaning. It doesn't belong here now. <jenda> However - Bug#1 still frames us against microsoft. <jenda> And it should stay that way, as it reflects the unfortunate reality... :) <jsgotangco> no dramas we all know about it <jsgotangco> but bug#1 shouldn't be the focus of all energies here imo <jenda> Please expand on that, jsgotangco <jsgotangco> bug#1 is a very good starting point to channel on marketing efforts but it shouldn't be the focus of all activities. we make software that works, even if there's an MS or not * ompaul wonders if we should have a "ubuntu" day like free software day where every one on every list is asked to hand away 5 copies of a ce <ompaul> cd or dvd <jsgotangco> software freedom day =) <jsgotangco> http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/ <jenda> jsgotangco: what is Marketing, in your opinion? <matthewrevell> ompaul: It'd be a good opportunity to work with Software Freedom Day. The Open CD is a Canonical sponsored project, AFAIK, and Henrick, who runs it, is involved with SFDay. <ompaul> that makes sense <jsgotangco> jenda: I am not a marketing professional but in my opinion, marketing works better when not trolling on the competition and instead focus on your strengths and be honest of your weaknesses <jsgotangco> yep we're spicing up OpenCD 4 just in time for SFD <ompaul> when is SFD this year? <jsgotangco> Sep 16 <matthewrevell> jsgotangco: Amen :) <jsgotangco> people also want interoperability so it doesn't hurt to say that ubuntu works nicely with windows as well <jenda> jsgotangco: true - but no matter what you do - marketnig is spreading ubuntu, and that is wrestling users from the competition. <jsgotangco> yep it happens <matthewrevell> jenda: I'd say our ultimate goal is increased uptake of Ubuntu, of course. I also feel we should consider the other aspects of marketing, before jumping into the promotion/spreading part. As for wrestling users from the competition, I'd say that is perhaps the wrong analogy. We want to spread the ideals of free software through increased uptake of Ubuntu. Wrestling Windows, or whatever other alternative, from users' hands suggests we <jenda> That's true - but more Ubuntu users inherently means less windows users. It's not exactly a thing to argue about. The goal is the proliferation of Ubuntu, not the destruction of MS. <jsgotangco> GNOME does great marketing stuff that focuses on benefits rather than features that go against the competition <jenda> that's not my point <jenda> you can't avoid taking customers from the competition when you do marketing. <mvirkkil> matthewrevell: I think your comment was too long. I didn't see anything past "...from users' hands suggests we" <jsgotangco> that's not marketing anymore, you "sold" them into moving =) <jsgotangco> your marketing worked then if they got sold =) <matthewrevell> Oh, sorry. <matthewrevell> mvirkkil: My point was that marketing is about more than promotion. <ompaul> the gig is - show people ubuntu - show it to them often <matthewrevell> So, at present, as far as I can see, we have three projects that have been recently active and connected to the marketing team. <matthewrevell> SpreadUbuntu, Ubuntu Magazine and the media relations/press team. <matthewrevell> I know we can discuss this in the meeting, but who are the main people behind SpreadUbuntu and the magazine? <matthewrevell> I understand Lloyd has been driving SU. <ompaul> that is accurate afik <ompaul> him and those on the ubuntupeople platform * ompaul shoots self for bad grammer <ompaul> so there is a meeting tomorrow then that should be in the topic * mode/#ubuntu-marketing [+o ompaul] by ChanServ * ..[topic/#ubuntu-marketing:ompaul] : Welcome to #ubuntu-marketing. This is the IRC channel of the Ubuntu Marketing Team. | The Marketing Team helps fix Bug #1 by helping people help other people make the switch. | Channel logs at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | Meeting Wed 28th 19:00UTC * mode/#ubuntu-marketing [-o ompaul] by ChanServ <ompaul> so 8pm tomorrow matthewrevell <matthewrevell> ompaul: I'll be there :) <jenda> matthewrevell: check. Three projects ATM <jenda> and yup, Lloyd has been in charge of SU <ompaul> The next meeting of the Council will be at [WWW] 27 June 2006, 14:00 UTC on #ubuntu-meeting on irc.freenode.net <jenda> ompaul: Holy ... <jenda> ompaul: I just read that in an email. <jenda> From the SABDFL :) <jenda> ompaul: will you be there? <matthewrevell> jenda: I'll be there, I should think. <jenda> ok <ompaul> I imagine so <matthewrevell> Talking of the council ... I've been trying to find a description of what is required for a team to be approved by the CC. Does anyone know of a link? <jenda> not sure <ompaul> well there is a team how many members are already on the team list on lp <jenda> yep <matthewrevell> ompaul: But there is a step of Community Council approval to become an official Ubuntu team, isn't there? <ompaul> I am looking for it <matthewrevell> cool <jenda> matthewrevell: I think the team is already approved. <jenda> not sure though <ompaul> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/governance <jenda> I'm probably not ready to take care of it being approved at todays meeting. <ompaul> it is not on a this list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Teams <matthewrevell> jenda: Not sure what you mean. <jenda> hmm, it's not indeed. <jenda> matthewrevell: I'm candidating for membership, and those who would support me are not around because the meeting was at such short notice. <matthewrevell> I think we have a long way to go before we even approach the council for approval. <matthewrevell> jenda: Oh, I see. <matthewrevell> jenda: Good luck :) <jenda> yes <jenda> thanks <ompaul> ohh jenda I did not know I was not around ;-) <jenda> ompaul: you are the only one who is. <matthewrevell> At the risk of making tomorrow's meeting a little too full, I reckon we should probably discuss an idea of what we want to achieve before we apporach the council for team approval. <ompaul> matthewrevell, pleased to meet you, it appears I am not around ;-) <matthewrevell> ompaul: Who said that? <matthewrevell> :) <jenda> :) <ompaul> anyway that is enough o/t for now * matthewrevell is away for now <nickm1> Good morning all <nickm1> jenda, ompaul <jenda> oi, nickm1 <ompaul> after morning <nickm1> oh, so it is :( just got up <ompaul> good golly the debian install is being naughty <ompaul> hmm back in a mo <nickm1> ompaul: sorry, i thought you were someone else :) <ompaul> nickm1, no worries <jenda> nickm1: you meant paulvg? he's on jabber, but not here... <nickm1> yeah, <jenda> matthewrevell: thanks for correcting the wik page - I was gonna do it but then it simply faded out of my short term memory ;) <matthewrevell> jenda: :) Haven't done much but I've just tried to give the impression that things are up for decision again. <jenda> great ;) <nixternal> jenda, are you planning on holding the meeting in here, or have you scheduled use of #ubuntu-meeting? * nixternal notices ubuntulog...do duh ;) <nixternal> s/do/so <jenda> nixternal: actually, I booked #ubnutu-meeting :) <nixternal> great!!! <nixternal> if needed, once the meeting is complete, i can take info from the log and from the agenda, and create a minutes list like we do for Kubunt-devel meetings <jenda> nixternal: That would be just great :) <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings/Minutes <jenda> Yes, that and the mailing list. <nixternal> that is how we set it up there...it is easy to navigate <nixternal> no problem jenda..i can do that <nixternal> ok jenda..there is a CC meeting...whew..as i was thinking i was missing the marketing meeting...i wish there was a way for me to leave my recommendation though <jenda> hmm <matthewrevell> hello GazzaK <GazzaK> hi matthewrevell <darkmatter_> so... how's the marketing drive going? <matthewrevell> darkmatter_: We have a meeting in #ubuntu-meeting tomorrow at 19:00 UTC. Hoping to get things moving. <darkmatter_> cool.. I'll try to be there <GazzaK> me too :) <matthewrevell> darkmatter_: That'd be good, if you can make it. We're working on an agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings <GazzaK> oww, is utc one hour before or after me? (UK Based) <matthewrevell> GazzaK: For us UK types it'll be 8pm tomorrow. <jenda> yup <darkmatter_> goodmorning jenda :) <GazzaK> okay <jenda> good day, darkmatter_. <darkmatter_> ooh.... more evil updates.. YAY!!! :) <darkmatter_> gotta love dapper <jenda> yep :) <jenda> gpg got updated today. <GazzaK> I only had one update today darkmatter_ <darkmatter_> yah... same.. disappointing <GazzaK> i've set this channel to auto-join, same for the meeting one <GazzaK> got less excuses now <GazzaK> have we got a meeting schedule at all? <matthewrevell> GazzaK: Schedule? <jenda> of course, look at our wikipage <GazzaK> whats to be covered in the meeting... <GazzaK> going to the wiki :) <jenda> thanks ;) <`6og> brb as another me <jenda> Hello Kamping_Kaiser :) * jenda compares cloaks ;) <Kamping_Kaiser> hi jenda :) * Kamping_Kaiser thinks his is better ;) <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. i sugest a link to the teams wiki page if posable in the topic :) <jenda> I was just gonna do that. * mode/#ubuntu-marketing [+o jenda] by ChanServ * ..[topic/#ubuntu-marketing:jenda] : Welcome to #ubuntu-marketing. This is the IRC channel of the Ubuntu Marketing Team. | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam | Channel logs at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | Meeting Wed 28th 19:00UTC * Kamping_Kaiser goes to work out what time that meeting is for me * mode/#ubuntu-marketing [-o jenda] by ChanServ <Kamping_Kaiser> curse :I i dont think i'm free <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, do you know how to get meetings added to the ical hosted at (iirc) the fridge? <jenda> yup <jenda> email your request to fridge-devel mailing list. <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks :) <jenda> I already did for this one, BTW <jenda> np <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. wonder how long untill it takes effect <Kamping_Kaiser> i thought i was subbed to it <jenda> It's done manually - last time I asked it was D. Robitaille who did it, I think. <Kamping_Kaiser> i'll cruise around the fridge and see what i find <GazzaK> last time I subbed to a mailing list I was swamped with emails :) my spam to real messages almost evened out... <jenda> heh :) <Kamping_Kaiser> anyway: i'm interested in doing stuff with this group. i also joined (iirc), gnome-marketing and debian-marketing to see what upstream does as well (not a lot) <jenda> I'm subscribed to about 10 ubuntu MLs and no spam trouble. <matthewrevell> GazzaK: I get Gmail to automatically filter mailing list stuff, so I can choose when to see it. <Kamping_Kaiser> spam? in ubuntu? <matthewrevell> GazzaK: I have labels set up in Gmail for each mailing list. <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm on 85 lists from a dozen groups, and i only see resplies to smap from the forums, and spam in debian lists. <matthewrevell> GazzaK: Gmail labels are like mail folders, basically. <GazzaK> nooo, the mails for the mailing list almost equalled my daily spam! :p <darkmatter_> spam filters are usually top notch on most mailing lists.... the odd one get through... but not often <Kamping_Kaiser> not on the debian lists :S <GazzaK> I get too much spam... :( <Kamping_Kaiser> :( <GazzaK> all of it to email addresses I have never used, but I need a catchall email as I give out silly addresses for certain things <jenda> 2 CC members on... waiting for one more. <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, meeting now? <jenda> yes <jenda> it _the_ meeting for me, Kamping_Kaiser :) <Kamping_Kaiser> oh:O <nixternal> jenda: good news..i will be here for the meeting <jenda> great :) <nixternal> +1 from me ;) <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, i better be there then :) <jenda> hehe :) <jenda> thanks folks ;) <nixternal> if i would have known they were doing the cc today...and if i would have known these people would call and cancel as i was leaving...i would have applied myself ;) <nixternal> so next time maybe <Kamping_Kaiser> back in 30 sec - need drinks for the meeting :) <jenda> meeting scheduled, Kamping_Kaiser <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, marketing? <jenda> yup <jenda> it's on the fridge now. <Kamping_Kaiser> cool * Kamping_Kaiser suspects it will hit his ical read soon <matthewrevell> Cool, glad we've got that sorted on the fridge. Nice one * jenda watches the CC meeting... * Kamping_Kaiser rants about html in ubuntu-au while the -meeting scrolls ;) <GazzaK> who is sabdf1? <matthewrevell> GazzaK: Mark Shuttleworth <GazzaK> thought so, woo <matthewrevell> sabdfl = Self-appointed benevolent dictator for life :) <GazzaK> nice to see him here * Kamping_Kaiser wonders why the CC has to get together and talk about email...seriously.... <nixternal> lol <nixternal> im trying to figure out if it is email or forums..they switch back and forth...html and text...background color or not....thread or....you see ;) <Kamping_Kaiser> they are working out a email prefered thingy <Kamping_Kaiser> listequette is what its called at this meeting ;) <GazzaK> it seems to be about the integration of emails to the threads in a forum or such <matthewrevell> The listiquette thing comes from, I believe, problems with people top posting etc in mailing list discussions, which can make it hard to follow threads. * jenda wonders why the marketing team has to discuss what the CC is discussing and why. :) <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, what the CC does affects us in a real way :P <matthewrevell> jenda: There's no harm in it, is there? <matthewrevell> :) * jenda doesn't have a problem with it, no. <GazzaK> we like being nosy <jenda> hello dinda <matthewrevell> What's going on in Dublin today? <dinda> hi jenda <GazzaK> must be some presentation, maybe ompaul knows? <ompaul> tomorrow - apachecon <ompaul> he is doing a keynote <GazzaK> wish I was there <GazzaK> you going ompaul ? <matthewrevell> ah <ompaul> not at 700 for two days or 940 for 3 <ompaul> can't afford it simple as that <GazzaK> ouchy~ouchness <GazzaK> thats a lot, what does that buy? access? <ompaul> yes <jenda> oofff <GazzaK> why so much? is it a money making exercice? <ompaul> no <ompaul> there are about 150 to 200 devs at it <ompaul> it is a very expensive hotel - the speakers are from all over have a look at the page <GazzaK> I just cannot understand why they are charging so much... <GazzaK> i'd love to go though, nice hotels rule :) <ompaul> pay for a speaker 2/3k <ompaul> pay for the biggest conference/dinner hall in .ie <ompaul> (atm) <jenda> I'm beginning to worry that there won't be enough time for new memberships. <ompaul> don't worry he owes you a meeting now <ompaul> :) <jenda> hehe ;) <GazzaK> I'm still like o_O over Mark being so erm community spirited... <Kamping_Kaiser> whats that? <jenda> GazzaK: 3 of 4 CC members are present at each meeting, and that includes him quite often. <GazzaK> thats amazing <nixternal> congratulations jenda!!! great job!!! <jenda> :) <Kamping_Kaiser> nice job mate, rewarded :) <matthewrevell> jenda: Well done :) <nixternal> i don't think they had any other choice...you had a mass stand behind you on that one <Kamping_Kaiser> lol <nixternal> you definately diserve it!!! <Kamping_Kaiser> half the chan going for one person :) <jenda> haha :) <jenda> it does feel good ;) <dinda> congrat jenda! now time to get back to work ;-) <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe <dinda> I'm so glad to see some activity in the marketing group - I've been following for a few months <matthewrevell> dinda: Are you able to come to the meeting tomorrow? <jenda> yes, that would be great. <dinda> let me see what time that makes it in my timezone - USA CST <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, i would be there, but i just organised to be at a meeting in 'real life' <jenda> oh no, Kamping_Kaiser ! <Kamping_Kaiser> i know :( <jenda> Tell me... <jenda> what is a RL meeting like? <jenda> Does it hurt? <jenda> Does it hurt your back as much as a long IRC meeting? <Kamping_Kaiser> um. theres people, and they waves stuff around, and talk a lot, its so unsocial :S <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe. sometiems <jenda> eeww <dinda> ack - i'm in the office during tomorrow's meeting <dinda> I just got back from the Paris summit - learned lots of great info there * jenda shouldda gone. <matthewrevell> dina, Kamping_Kaiser we can continue the discussion on the mailing list after the meeting. <matthewrevell> s/dina/dinda <dinda> and now that the logging is working, that will help as well <Kamping_Kaiser> cool <jenda> mind you, the meeting will be in the #ubnutu-meeting channel, not here. <jenda> (that channel has been logged ever since I remember. <dinda> one thing I learned is that getting organized, having an organizational sturcture is very important. . . <dinda> being able to target a few things is better than trying to do everything <jenda> yes <matthewrevell> brb <dinda> and hopefully we can work with other groups like artwork to make sure there is no duplication of effort <matthewrevell> dinda: Absolutely. <matthewrevell> dinda: Jane Silber has mentioned that she'd like to see an effort with Loco teams to get Ubuntu in non-English language press around the world, as well as smaller English language publications. <dinda> defintitely - I understand there is to be a big push in the Phillipines soon <dinda> I've found it to be quite a learning process for newer users to step into the F/OSS world <GazzaK> I want to get some banners/posters for kubuntu & ubuntu, is there any already done in pdf form which will print nicely? (at a3 or above) <GazzaK> dinda, yes it is, been near vertical learning curve for me <dinda> I've seen some for kubuntu, can't recall for ubuntu <dinda> I *think* it was on the mailng list recently, the kubuntu pdfs <GazzaK> dinda, can you remember a link for the kubuntu ones? I hope they are graphically intensive, as they are for a youth club here :) <nixternal> GazzaK: i found a place that is selling ubuntu/kubuntu posters last night for an insane amount of money..i was trying to find one of the brown ubuntu t-shirts...all i get it cafepress though ;( <dinda> let me check my archive for the kubuntu ones. . .brb <nixternal> GazzaK: you just gave me a great idea...i have been doing some volunteer stuff with a gentleman from my church here where we have been refurbishing old computers with Edubuntu and donating them to underpriviledged areas of chicago <GazzaK> nixternal, I might be able to get a friend to make t-shirts at cost price :) <nixternal> i wanted to do a booth at an upcoming show...and i think having the kids in the schools that get our computers we refurb..make us up one!!! <nixternal> with handprints and what now!!! <nixternal> s/now/not <GazzaK> I want to make some nice posters and tshirts for kubuntu (as it has pretty graphics!) with the kde dragon... <nixternal> Edubuntu is all about the Little Humans ;) and having them make a banner for a booth is a good idea..thanks to you GazzaK on giving that one to me ;) <GazzaK> nixternal, if it is a banner - use cloth to make the banner, paint it white first, it will last a lot longer than card or paper <dinda> GazzaK - can't locate it but perhaps a search through last month's mailing list archive might help <nixternal> thanks GazzaK for that pointer...i will make sure i do so <dinda> I just found the launchpad team for this group - signed up <jenda> dinda: approved. <dinda> TY!!! ;-) <jenda> not an issue ;) <dinda> I'm excited that things seem to be moving forward for this group now <jenda> mehehe... who wouldn't be :) I'm looking forward to tomorrow's meeting. <dinda> but back to work for now - catch everyone later! <GazzaK> it is gonna be cool <GazzaK> don't really know how I can help, but I want to, so thats half the battle :) <jenda> yes it is indeed. * Kamping_Kaiser looks at the marketing availablity thing and phrears away <Bilange> the MT/Meetings page was missing something: the link to timeanddate.com showed a page with 15:00UTC, not 19:00UTC... I just fixed the page <jenda> thanks, Bilange <GazzaK> hi matthewrevell <matthewrevell> hey <jenda> oi <jenda> there ;) <jenda> feels much better. <nixternal> nice cloak there ;) <GazzaK> thats a lovely cloak there jenda it's all shiny new <nixternal> hehe <jenda> :) <GazzaK> is it chrome plated? <jenda> oh yes, titanium constructed, chrome plated 'n' all that jazz. <GazzaK> thought you could not chrome plate titanium :p <jenda> damn you, spoiling the fun... <GazzaK> titainium is better than cheap chrome though :) <damned> evening all <GazzaK> evening <nixternal> evening <jenda> aiii <Bilange> evening! <damned> quite silent here... thought to read marketing talks :) <jenda> damned: we will have a meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 23 hours <jenda> you're wellcome to come. <jenda> :) <GazzaK> 23 hours? <GazzaK> 22:45 ish yes? <damned> 00:16 here... <jenda> It'll be at 19:00 UTC <damned> UTC is former GMT? <jenda> damned: we had quite a bit of marketing talk here during the past two days, though - and I believe it will be building up. <jenda> damned: I think it's still the samething. <GazzaK> and bst = utc+1, so thats 20:00 UK time <ompaul> damned, no it is GMT <ompaul> GMT is not BST <damned> actually i spend much time in thoughts about "corporate ubuntu", even started a blog (unfortunately in my native language). i think there should be community to elaborate a Corporate Ubuntu standart... <damned> we can't gain enterprise desktops without it. <damned> any ideas? <jenda> I'll be right with you... <damned> there should be software for central management of ubuntu desktops... linux administration is easy... if you have 20-30 desktops... if 1000? there should be Microsoft Active Directoru analog... or even special version of Corporate Ubuntu - CUbuntu. * damned described some benefits in his blog... should translate to english... <KenSentMe> damned: where are you from? <KenSentMe> damned: hi by the way <jenda> russia <jenda> "@damned.vpol.org.ru" <jenda> ;) <damned> KenSentMe: russia. yes. <KenSentMe> ah, ok <KenSentMe> I took russian lessons on university <damned> KenSentMe: speak a bit? <jenda> damned: you mean a centralised remote management software? <damned> jenda: sure. policy based management. for example: <KenSentMe> damned: no, it was to short, i quit university after two months. But still want to learn <damned> 1-st group can use USB ports for new devices. <damned> 2-nd group can't use web <damned> or other <damned> AD allows to do all of that <damned> for enterprise security is one of the most important things <jenda> hmm... <damned> and also ability to migrate from one computer to another without copying anything... <damned> for example "remote home" or smth like that <jenda> damned, I'm afraid we, the marketing folks aren't the right ones to discuss this with. It's a very interesting idea - but it's more like a feature request or derivative distro request. <GazzaK> but it's a damn good idea, as most workplaces would love it <GazzaK> remote user area could be fun <damned> jenda: yes, sure. but i'm talking about an idea. <damned> jenda: when you talk about enterprise (that is the only way to fix bug #1) - we need to think about "what they actually need". <GazzaK> night all <damned> another idea is to help home users to choose Sony PS3 for games... :) migrate from windows->games to PS3->games or any other game devices. <damned> Sony would like such program :) <jenda> damned, I'm sorry. That's features and programs. Not marketing. Posting your ideas at the ubuntuforums.org <damned> ok. <jenda> *Try posting you ideas at <KenSentMe> jenda: it's not entirely not marketing <damned> but remember that just counting %% isn't enough. <KenSentMe> Marketing is also about knowing what your audience wants and trying to meet to their demands * damned agrees with KenSentMe. That definition he learned in University. <Bilange> still, the marketing team isnt going to program remote homedirs into ubuntu :) <damned> Bilange: so what marketing team do? :) <Bilange> otherwise, I agree there are some corporate functionalities which are missing in ubuntu out-of-the-box, sadly <KenSentMe> Bilange: but the marketing team can suggest it and tell the devs why something is needed <Bilange> KenSentMe, so can individuals, too :) <KenSentMe> Bilange: but i hope the voice of the marketing team is stronger than that of an individual. We should only suggest things that are really needed and we can tell them why it's needed <Bilange> damned, im not sure if the "marketing" is applied in there in its fullest form, but basically we're just spreading the word :) <jenda> KenSentMe: honestly, that's not the scope of the MT - we do not propose features. We market what we have. The Ubuntu devs are here to make ubuntu the best it can be. <jenda> In fact, just about every team in Ubuntu aims in someway to make it better. And the ways are very strictly cut. <jenda> And adding features is NOT what the MT does, at least IMO <Bilange> jenda, how about us sending the idea to someone more appropriate? <jenda> I think the best place for it would be the forum - there it can be reviewed and expanded by the masses. * damned listened to Mark on St.Petersburg meeting in Russia, but still doesn't understand who leads... <damned> ...and actually where are we going... <jenda> The technical aspects of the ubuntu development are led by the Technical Board <KenSentMe> jenda: we only propose features if we are sure they are needed. And it may not be the scope of the MT, it may well be a possible task in the future. <jenda> main goals for each release are discussed and accepted at the developer summit - which went on last week. <jenda> KenSentMe: we propose them as members, not the marketing team, please. <jenda> wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam * damned understood a bit now... * damned thought that MT is the group of people that can make Ubuntu closer to enterprise usage. Making dvd playback of boot speed 2% faster (such tasks are 80% of developers talks) is almost opposite to fixing bug#1. montgomeryrobert@example.net. terrible, slow, expensive. but almost everybody uses. :) who did that? m-a-r-k-e-t-i-n-g. <damned> good night all. <KenSentMe> damned: good night <jenda> good night. #ubuntu-marketing 2006-06-28 <poningru> did we decide on a meeting time? <poningru> oh * poningru looks at topic <poningru> that actually works perfect for me <nixternal> Rinchen: trying to sneak in here ;) <nixternal> seen you added yourself to the meeting list...thanks!!! <Rinchen> :-) <Rinchen> The problem is that table is 'in general' and I work and can't make meetings when I'm working so I did it 'in general' and am hoping it'll be the weekend :-) <nixternal> ahhh..and you followed along with the alphabetical layout <nixternal> nice <nixternal> well..after a meeting one of us will convert everything into MeetingMinutes, like show notes...so you can go over them if you miss a meeting <nixternal> you can also add an agenda (or a-jenda) hehe...and have someone cover it for you if you will be gone, or submit it via the mailing list <Rinchen> yeah, very good job on the table.... <Rinchen> and getting meetings <Rinchen> I showed up for the meeting on Saturday but I guess nobody planed it <Rinchen> we verbally said we'd meet but never updated the wiki <nixternal> well...jenda is the man for the good job there...he became an Ubuntu member today also <nixternal> he is doing one hell of a job..and now it looks like we are going to begin moving forward...which is great <Rinchen> Did they actually have the Comm Council meeting with only 5 mins on the agenda??? <Rinchen> I thought it was an error (just got it tonight) <nixternal> ya..they added to it as they went though <Rinchen> Figures... I've been waiting weeks for that and do they do a pearl harbor meeting <nixternal> lol ya <nixternal> a lot of people were not present <nixternal> oh ya..you had a LoCo discussion..you were the first they called too I believe <Rinchen> well, I checked email last at 1am this morning and I just got back from work and found it at 10:30 pm tonight so <nixternal> speaking of LoCo's, i am in the midst of organising a Chicago LoCo...it is hard work just to get the people who expressed interest to join hands for a meeting <Rinchen> I can tell you how I did it... <nixternal> shoot..i am all ears <Rinchen> I found 3 folks who were interested. I then went to the Longmont Lug and signed up 20, then to the Boulder Lug and signed up 15, and then emailed the rest of the local Lugs and had more join from there <Rinchen> I've been doing an Ubuntu road tour and, much to my surprise, I'm packing the house <nixternal> nice...i was wondering what was ok, and what wasn't... <nixternal> thats awesome...you would think Chicago would have decent LUG's...but they don't <Rinchen> I get held over an average of 4 hours after each presentation <nixternal> that is awesome <Rinchen> In fact, I'm presenting at another lug tomorrow <Rinchen> the interesting thing...I picked up teachers at a few lugs so I can move forward with my plan to Dominat....er...help out the schools <Kamping_Kaiser> lol <Rinchen> We got Longmont Free University 100% completely moved to Ubuntu <Rinchen> Install fest at the Uni :-) <nixternal> haha <nixternal> that is good stuff though <Kamping_Kaiser> nice :) <nixternal> i will move forward and use some of your ideas here in Chicago <Rinchen> So here are some tips <Rinchen> 1) Steal my presentation (see my wiki entry) <Rinchen> 2) Go get Kaiser's books on LuLu <nixternal> here..all the LUG's have been replaced with Uniforum..which is a paid membership organisation for FOSS type stuff <Rinchen> Those $9 doc team books are great PR <Rinchen> worth every penny even with the typos <Rinchen> :-) <nixternal> haha <nixternal> hey wait <nixternal> im doc teamin' and helpin out wth that <Rinchen> lol <nixternal> like jjesse and them would say... <nixternal> FILE A BUG!!! <nixternal> ;) <Kamping_Kaiser> Rinchen, or now you know hes docteam, make him fix it :) * nixternal opens up mouth ensuring size 12 adidas fits <Rinchen> Ok...someone should re-read the packaging guide :-) <nixternal> haha Rinchen...myself and jjesse have been talking about it...if you have issues, also laserjock is the head guy on that task <Rinchen> Lot] s of common` type -setting error s <nixternal> so i've heard..i believe we are going to redo it for edgy anyways <Rinchen> lots = I think I spotted 6 or so <nixternal> nice <nixternal> how many of those did you file on malone? <nixternal> ;) <Rinchen> I've gotten almost everyone I help on Qunu to pick them up <Rinchen> On Malone? hehe <nixternal> ya...our bug manager ;) <nixternal> for typos and stuff like that, you should file a bug <Rinchen> Oh, is THAT what it's for? ;-) <nixternal> haha <Rinchen> I thought it was to piss people off because their queue keeps getting bigger <Rinchen> Seriously, when the Eft Integration piece goes through it'll rock <Rinchen> we'll have bugbuddy for Ubuntu <Rinchen> I'll be the most cursed person record out there <nixternal> lol * Rinchen is still upset and the last minute CC meeting. <nixternal> there is another one in 2 weeks <Rinchen> In 2 weeks I'll be traveling <Rinchen> new job <Rinchen> Is that posted somewhere because it's not on the wiki nor on ubuntu-meeting <Rinchen> btw, did you see our announcement today? http://why.openoffice.org/ <nixternal> you can check the fridge...don't know if it's made it yet <Rinchen> don't see it <Rinchen> I was relying on the wiki being updated...both Neal and I missed it <Rinchen> We wanted to get several team members from the Loco team to join <Rinchen> which reminds me I forgot to add in the rss after I recreated my system <nixternal> http://home.comcast.net/~nixternal/ <nixternal> added that to my page <nixternal> i like that <jsgotangco> OMG i just saw the gas prices <nixternal> lol <KenSentMe> Good morning people <jenda> morning <jenda> Rinchen: welcome! <nixternal> mornin' jenda <Rinchen> lol Morning it is but not here :-) <nixternal> actually it is now officially morning here in chicago ;) <Rinchen> it's 23:36 <nixternal> gotcha by an hour <Rinchen> yes sir you do <jenda> Sorry you missed the meeting. You're not the only one who's upset. I had a lot of trouble getting my fanclub rounded up, but thankfully, I only came up an hour after the beginning of the meeting and even my american supporters were up by then ;) <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, i was tehre for you, by accident ;) <jenda> Yup :) Several of you Marketing folks were - thanks ;) <Rinchen> good... <Rinchen> I wanted to rah rah you <Rinchen> but you didn't need it :-) <Kamping_Kaiser> half there meeting was there for jenda :) <jenda> :) <Kamping_Kaiser> :) i'm not sure if i felt happier for myself with ubuntu-au offical now, or jenda getting his membership :0 <jenda> Even silbs said she'd tip in, but she didn't turn up in the end. <nixternal> \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ <--- that was a rah rah rah i seen at the meeting!!! <jenda> Kamping_Kaiser: oooh congrats on that ;) <jenda> I didn't realise that was your thing too :) <Kamping_Kaiser> :) <Rinchen> hehe, I'll settle for a +1 instead of a -1 <Rinchen> jenda, I can't make tomorrow's/today's meeting. It's during my normal working hours and I'm packed solid with meetings. <Rinchen> I need to convince one of sabdfl's groups to hire me..that's all there is to it. <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe <Rinchen> speaking of meetings, I think it's time I prepare to fall exhausted onto my bed. <Rinchen> I bid you all a good...morning. :-) <Kamping_Kaiser> later mate :) <Rinchen> Wish me luck at my Ubuntu presentation tonight :-) Should be fun. I already have 30 confirmed guests. <Kamping_Kaiser> :) *envy* <Rinchen> I'll try to get more pictures up on the ColoradoTeam's photos area <Rinchen> see ya <jenda> meh, missed him. * jenda airs a "good luck Rinchen" <jenda> hello damned <jenda> Your IP changed ;) <damned> jenda: morning :) yes, ip changed :) <jenda> at work? <damned> yes. in office. <Kamping_Kaiser> where are people in here from? i can recognise a few, is it very spread out? * damned from Russia. <nixternal> well considering my new baby is -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChicagoTeam I will give you 2 guesses :) * Kamping_Kaiser from Australia :) <nixternal> Chicago, IL United STates of A*$#$#* <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. USofA ;) <Kamping_Kaiser> it is well spread out, jenda 's from c*z*<a place i cant spell>, jsgotangco iirc is near me, philipines perhaps <nixternal> actually...i prefer to let others know..im really from the state of confusion...as that was in a song, which one i can't remember ;) <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe <nixternal> jsgotangco is from Chicago originally...he decided to leave this great corrupted governement of a city ;) <jsgotangco> hahaha <jsgotangco> what can i say, i went home <nixternal> told ya ;) <nixternal> true..as many smart people who live here tend to do <nixternal> i feel my iq shriveling up <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe * Kamping_Kaiser wants to move to NZ <jsgotangco> i thought most people in NZ are moving to AU * nixternal wants to move to greece ;) <jsgotangco> yeah i hear greece is great <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. not really keen on learning greek myself <Kamping_Kaiser> NZ would be intresting, its like australia, but different enough to notice * damned doesn't want to move anywhere... except may be some european countries. <jsgotangco> really now i went there before and loved the place...but my wife didnt like the silence of most places there <jsgotangco> just give me stable, uncapped and cheap broadband and i can live anywhere <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe. AU is out for you then <damned> i don't want to pay for internet... that's why work for an isp. <Kamping_Kaiser> *rofl* <nixternal_> g'nite everyone <damned> good night <Kamping_Kaiser> later mate <jsgotangco> g'nite mate <KenSentMe> Good night * jenda wants better broadband too... <Kamping_Kaiser> nixternal_, ping <jenda> shhh! <jenda> he's asleep ;) <Kamping_Kaiser> :| * Kamping_Kaiser will try and get him tomorrow <Kamping_Kaiser> i wont to get added to that availability table, but i'm to scared to edit it :) * Kamping_Kaiser will email him <jenda> Kamping_Kaiser: I can do that. <jenda> Just tell me your hours, I'll put them up <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, just emailed him :$ <Kamping_Kaiser> shall i email you as well? <jenda> Sure <jenda> I'll put it up immediately. <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda@? <Kamping_Kaiser> u.c? <Kamping_Kaiser> or not ye t :) <jenda> j e n d a vancura @ g-m-ale.com <jenda> g-male :-D <Kamping_Kaiser> :D <jenda> without the spaces and other cwap, of course. <GazzaK> lol <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe * jenda doesn't feel very comfortable typing his email in an open channel - less so with a logbot. <GazzaK> logbot!!! - me hides * Kamping_Kaiser sends to jenda <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, know the feeling * jenda receives * GazzaK hacks the email halfway through, ahhhh, interesting... <Kamping_Kaiser> later crew. :) <Kamping_Kaiser> eek! <Kamping_Kaiser> my pron <GazzaK> hehe, se ya Kamping_Kaiser <Kamping_Kaiser> :P <GazzaK> =e <GazzaK> +e damn keyboard <Kamping_Kaiser> :) <jenda> haha ;) <jenda> sneaky, matthewrevell ;) <matthewrevell> neaky? <jenda> eaky <matthewrevell> s/neaky/sneaky <matthewrevell> :) <jenda> <matthewrevell> My login for silenceisdefeat.org is synchronboy, so I have to manually change my nick. <jenda> np ;) * mode/#ubuntu-marketing [+o jenda] by ChanServ * mode/#ubuntu-marketing [-o jenda] by ChanServ <digitalmouse> greetings programs! just setting up IRC so that I can try to be a part of the next meetings.. thanks for the invite Jenda <jenda> np <jenda> digitalmouse: have you ever been in contact with Tikal? <digitalmouse> not lately <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: Hi, who are you then? :) SOunds like you know Jenda <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: I'm Matthew, in the UK. <jenda> matthewrevell: digitalmouse would be one of the Ubuntu Magazine people <matthewrevell> cool <digitalmouse> if you are familiar with the ubuntumagazine forum thread, I've been tinkering with the Content Management/website end of the project <jenda> digitalmouse: matthewrevell would be one of the Press Team people... ;) <digitalmouse> nice to meet you <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: Ah right. <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: you too <jenda> digitalmouse: it appears the forum is down for good, unfortunately. <digitalmouse> although American by birth, I escaped to Germany in 2000, so I can help represent European interests for the time being. yes, Jenda mentioned the boards were down.. I am sure they will be back up soon enough <matthewrevell> jenda: I'm gonna suggest we close the Launchpad Media Relations Team and bring it back into the Marketing team. <jenda> matthewrevell: I guess that's your call - I do believe it best, though. <matthewrevell> jenda: Having read back through the archives etc, I'm more comfortable with us using the ofifical marketing team mailing list. For a start, we know that won't be taken offline at someone's whim. <jenda> agreed <matthewrevell> jenda: Absolutely, now that we have an active marketing team and it looks as though everyone who wants to be involved is cooperative. <jenda> matthewrevell: indeed, I'm very optimistic about the meeting. <jenda> I think I rounded up all the important forum people - or some at least ;) <jenda> We have you all who came to the team on IRC recently <jenda> and the mailing list has been informed. <digitalmouse> once a website design/CMS is agreed on, I could put up a forum/mailing list dedicated to the magazine to prevent the 'whim'-fear you mentioned, matthew. I have a dedicated server that could be used for that. <matthewrevell> jenda: Yes, I'm *really* excited about this. I looked into getting an Ubuntu marketing team together a *long* time ago. It's great to see so many people interested <jenda> The meeting could really be the start of a united MT. <jenda> digitalmouse: then we'd be dependent on _your_ whim ;) <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: My feeling is that we'd be best off keeping everything on the marketing mailing list for now. It's not so busy that we can't sustain it on one list. <digitalmouse> hmm... well there is that, but atleast it's a whim you have more control over :p <jsgotangco> hmm meeting here? <jenda> +1, matthewrevell <jenda> jsgotangco: not really <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: With the official mailing list, we get logs, it stays around forever and there's no confusion. <jsgotangco> ahhh <jenda> jsgotangco: meeting tonite in #ubuntu-meeting * jsgotangco notices good traffic on this channel lately <digitalmouse> no problem matthew, just offering services if needed <jenda> yep :) :) <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: Pop it on the agenda for the meeting. It's worth discussing, if only so we can agree that the mailing lsit is best :-) <digitalmouse> greetings js! I was just tinkering with IRC and Jenda reminded me that there are ubuntu.magazine channels that I needed to be a part of :-D <jsgotangco> digitalmouse: hi there <matthewrevell> Now that the ubuntupeople.com forums are offline, does anyone have a link to background material on the magazine proposal? <matthewrevell> From what I know of it, the magazine has a different intended-audience than The Fridge and other existing activity, but I think we should try to involved jdub to see what his plans are. He's busy down in Guadec at the moment, I think. <digitalmouse> not any more than what was last posted. <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: What was last posted though? :) <digitalmouse> I was still waiting to hear some input regarding content management systems and website layout <jenda> matthewrevell: I have the forum database from a week ago, that could save a bit of work too. <digitalmouse> that was the last I recall... it is possible that more was said afterwards <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: Cool. I don't remember seeing the plans for the magazine ... i.e. what need it fulfills, why it's the right way to go, etc. I'm not saying it isn't a good idea, by the way, I just think it's really important to have justification and a plan :) <matthewrevell> back in 20 <digitalmouse> I suppose the forum is no-longer needed.. the wiki might suit our needs. my only concern is knowing what experience people have with content management systems for online magazine production.. I've dealt with over a dozen systems (part of my job actually) and wanted to get some feedback into what was comfortable with people, and at what level of users we have with us. some CMSs are complex, some are simple. it would be good to h <jsgotangco> try looking into what freesoftwaremagazine.com uses. It's Drupal its easy and very flexible * jenda really likes Drupal <jenda> ubuntu.cz is drupal <digitalmouse> drupal is the current template system. (demo for ubuntu-mag here: http://digitalbyond.net/~ubuntumag/?q=node/1 ) my experience is that it was a bit difficult in getting people to understand the 'node' method of writing up content. <jsgotangco> jenda: i believe the article approval system also runs on drupal since all the artciles are done on docbook xml * jsgotangco wrote an article for that magazine last issue <digitalmouse> ack! forget to add the logo I whipped up (it has all the ubuntu logos integrated)... standby while I put that back up <jenda> digitalmouse: how about a nice brown theme? ;) <jenda> (or choice between the U K X and E theme) <digitalmouse> if you see a theme already made for Drupal, then let me know and I can install it right now <digitalmouse> something brown-ish as you suggested, though we should not be tied down to that color-scheme necessarily <digitalmouse> greetings silbs/jane <digitalmouse> ok, refresh the link I posted above... that should show the quicky logo I whipped up a month or so ago... will be cleaned up for the permanent site if chosen <jenda> hello silbs ;) <digitalmouse> again I'm not 100% happy with Drupal, as its CMS terminology would give newbie authors fits... but it *does* have all the initiala functionality (article approval, sections, PDF generation, etc.) <digitalmouse> initial* <jenda> silbs: it would be great if you could make it to the marketing meeting tonight. <jenda> digitalmouse: have a montgomeryrobert@example.net <jenda> would that type of a theme do? <jenda> brb <digitalmouse> sure it would do, but do we need to copy that one? (*goes to look*) <digitalmouse> besides that is the same theme as the main ubuntu site, by the look of it <digitalmouse> or atleast a close cousin <digitalmouse> do we really want to duplicate that look? <jenda> no we do not <jenda> it's just the colors we want, I think ;) <silbs> jenda: hi. I'm not sure yet if I'll be able to make the mtg tonight. I won't know until this aft, but if I am free I will certainly attend <digitalmouse> true.. I was also thinking of something like http://www.oswd.org/design/preview/id/2782 or http://tcp-lp-mod.sourceforge.net/ <digitalmouse> and I would change the header to something a bit more dynamic, like a collage of people holding ubuntu/kubuntu CDs perhaps, or some variant of the '3-people-in-a-circle' idea that is common for ubuntu <digitalmouse> or somehow integrate my multi-distro-logo at http://digitalbyond.net/~ubuntumag/ into a nice background <jsgotangco> hey silbs! <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: I think this is an ideal opportunity to chat to the Art Team. Sabdfl mentioned, in yesterday's Community Council meeting, that there's a lot of action in the Ubuntu art world at the moment. <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: Ideal opportunity for some bridge buuilding between our teams. <jsgotangco> yeah the artwork team is very very busy at the moment <digitalmouse> sounds like a plan <jenda> matthewrevell: +1 :) <matthewrevell> jsgotangco: Fair enough but I think we should give them the opportunity to turn us down, if you see what i mean. <digitalmouse> I shifted over from graphic-design/desktop publishing some years ago, so I know my skills are rusty at the moment. but the idea I think is solid (representing each variant in a single logo) <digitalmouse> mind you, I whipped that up in about 5 minutes <digitalmouse> a more professional build, would take the better part of 20-30 minutes <digitalmouse> a hour perhaps <matthewrevell> Forgive me for asking questions that may have been answered before, but without the ubuntupeople forums to refer to, I'm gonna have to bore you :) <matthewrevell> Where's the magazine in terms of content, target readership etc? <matthewrevell> jenda: You mentioned that you have back-ups from the forums from a week ago. Are you able to fish out the magazine and SpreadUbuntu forum content? <jenda> matthewrevell: Well, I have the dtb, but I don't know how to fish that out ;) * KenSentMe pops in <digitalmouse> greetings Ken <matthewrevell> Righto. <KenSentMe> digitalmouse: have you tried joomla as a cms? <matthewrevell> KenSentMe: Hi <jenda> oi, KenSentMe <KenSentMe> http://joomla.org <digitalmouse> I use Joomla on a regular basis actually.. in fact I'm starting to support it as a service of my company... it's not bad <KenSentMe> And compared to drupal? <KenSentMe> I've installed some joomla/mambo sites, but never actually used drupal <digitalmouse> I find it a bit easier for authors to write/submit content, but the admin tool takes a bit of getting used to in terms of where things are placed... <KenSentMe> digitalmouse: is this about joomla or drupal? <matthewrevell> So, do you guys remember where the magazine discussions got to, other than looking at a CMS? Just trying to find my feet. <digitalmouse> at the moment it's a todd up between Typo3/4, Joomla, and Drupal... they all have their good and bad points. <digitalmouse> Ken, my comment was
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