#ubuntu-arb 2013-01-03
<coolbhavi> ajmitch_, hey
<coolbhavi> highvoltage, hey
<coolbhavi> have integrated some checks of arb in lintian and m working towards some build time problems in integrating last 3 checks
<coolbhavi> i.e lightweight arb app, deprecated python installation and maintainer script check
<coolbhavi> hopefully over the week ll fix them and port whole arb-lint into lintian
<coolbhavi> (with some exceptions though)
<coolbhavi> wendar, hey
<coolbhavi> I have a doubt, is there a possibility of a syntax error during build whereas the same passes through when checked manually
<coolbhavi> in perl
<highvoltage> hey coo
#ubuntu-arb 2013-01-04
<coolbhavi> hi wendar
<coolbhavi> endorsed application :)
<wendar> coolbhavi: thanks! :)
<coolbhavi> wendar, all the very best :) m in the last leg of putting arb lint in place
<coolbhavi> btw
<wendar> excellent! thanks for keeping that moving along
<coolbhavi> wendar, thanks, m facing some weird syntax error while building but when I check manually syntax passes. So m rebuilding again disabling some syntax check suites
<coolbhavi> let me see
<wendar> that does sound weird
<coolbhavi> and I have the same version of perl running on my system as in the PPA/pbuilder
#ubuntu-arb 2013-01-07
<coolbhavi> hey dpm :-) happy new year!
<dpm> hey coolbhavi, happy new year to you too! \o/
<dpm> :)
<coolbhavi> thanks a lot!
<coolbhavi> btw implemented all the checks of arb into lintian now
<coolbhavi> :)
<coolbhavi> I'll look to study app armor and generate profiles if time permits
<dpm> cool
<coolbhavi> :-)
<coolbhavi> dpm, ajmitch wendar highvoltage mhall119 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/app-review-board/2013-January/002852.html Request you to check and provide feedback :)
<coolbhavi> hey cwayne1 jvrbanac
<cwayne1> heya coolbhavi!
<cwayne1> long time no see :)
<jvrbanac> hey coolbhavi!
<coolbhavi> cwayne1, was on vacations :)
<cwayne1> coolbhavi: good :) i hope it went well
<coolbhavi> jvrbanac, cwayne1 happy new year to you guys :) yes it really went well as I spent time integrating arb checks with lintian :-)
<jvrbanac> coolbhavi, happy new year to you as well!
<coolbhavi> jvrbanac, thanks a lot!
<cwayne1> coolbhavi: happy new year :)
<cwayne1> coolbhavi: did you hear anything about that 64bit software center bug?
<coolbhavi> cwayne1, thanks cwayne1 same to you! nopes I'll do a followup today
<freeflying> coolbhavi: ping
<coolbhavi> hey freeflying
<coolbhavi> cwayne1, commented on the bug again
<cwayne1> coolbhavi: thanks, i only brought it up as i had someone emailing me asking why they couldnt install from software center
<coolbhavi> m not sure whether its triggered from portal side while publishing or the USC side.
<coolbhavi> let me see if anyone replies
<coolbhavi> anyone using precise here btw?
<cwayne1> coolbhavi: no but i may have a vm
<coolbhavi> cwayne1, dpm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-review-board/+bug/1080679
<coolbhavi> can anyone running precise take a look at the bug please?
<coolbhavi> hey mhall119 happy new year to you!
<mhall119> thanks coolbhavi
<coolbhavi> :-)
#ubuntu-arb 2013-01-08
<coolbhavi> hey ajmitch
<coolbhavi> ping :)
#ubuntu-arb 2013-01-09
<coolbhavi> hi ajmitch
<coolbhavi> hi wendar happy that you are applying for MOTU :-)
<cwayne> heya coolbhavi
<coolbhavi> and we are thinking of extending the call for members for a bit longer
<coolbhavi> hey cwayne :-)
<cwayne> coolbhavi: how qualified does one need to be to be an arb member?
<coolbhavi> cwayne, generally a ubuntu developer and an endorsement by an existing ubuntu developer on your work
<cwayne> ah, not sure id be qualified to apply then :)
<wendar> coolbhavi: thanks
<wendar> coolbhavi: and it does seem worth getting highvoltage on now
<wendar> coolbhavi: you can always make another recruiting call later
<wendar> coolbhavi: like, maybe around the next UDS would be good
<coolbhavi> wendar, yes we are really short of staff and we thought maybe extending the call for a week would help but the other way is people are busy :-)
<wendar> coolbhavi: ah yeah
<coolbhavi> just had a talk with alessio he also wants extension for a week so that anyone else interested might apply but I dont think it will be the case
<coolbhavi> atleast looking at the response
<coolbhavi> cwayne, you ll be if you have PPU rights for a package :-)
<coolbhavi> wendar, btw I implemented all the remaining arb checks into lintian
<wendar> coolbhavi: great!
<coolbhavi> its in the ARB contributors PPA now
<wendar> coolbhavi: I saw https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/app-review-board/2013-January/002852.html
<coolbhavi> :)
<wendar> coolbhavi: haven't had a chance to try it out yet
<coolbhavi> wendar, no problems :-) feedback at any point is accepted :-) was thinking of UDS to discuss this because face to face feedback works much better I think :-)
<coolbhavi> btw ll have a look at apparmor this weekend and start generating some profiles if time permits...
<ajmitch> coolbhavi: hi
<coolbhavi> ajmitch, pm?
 * ajmitch doesn't mind extending by a week if you think it'll get anyone else
<ajmitch> sure
#ubuntu-arb 2013-01-10
<coolbhavi> mhall119, ping
#ubuntu-arb 2013-01-12
<coolbhavi> hey wendar
<coolbhavi> ping
<wendar> hi coolbhavi
<coolbhavi> wendar, pm?
<wendar> pm?
<coolbhavi> private message :)
<wendar> ah, ok
<wendar> coolbhavi: did you have a question?
#ubuntu-arb 2013-01-13
<coolbhavi> ajmitch, ping
<ajmitch> coolbhavi: hi
<coolbhavi> ajmitch, should we go ahead with a small informal status update meet here?
<ajmitch> if you wish, though there won't be much to talk about :)
<coolbhavi> because I hadnt had the time to update agenda
<ajmitch> I haven't seen any response on-list about meeting today
<coolbhavi> yes so
<coolbhavi> I had only one update
<coolbhavi> lintian with arb profile is in place now
<ajmitch> yep, I saw that
<coolbhavi> and i have updated the spec on the same
<ajmitch> I'll try & use that to do a pass over everything in the queue & put the results up
<coolbhavi> sure :) feedback is welcome :-)
<ajmitch> I just haven't spent much time working on the queue or tools to manage it like I promised
<coolbhavi> no issues ajmitch
<ajmitch> since my plan was something to track votes a bit better, and run lintian, licensecheck & build binary packages to test
<coolbhavi> hmm same here so I reported a bug too on the voting system
<coolbhavi> in myapps
<ajmitch> yeah I saw that
<coolbhavi> reg the call for arb members
<ajmitch> you can set up a poll & get ~ubuntu-dev to vote on it?
<ajmitch> what we did last time was list the names, and include 'none of the above' as an option
<coolbhavi> good thing is highvoltage is willing to step in again and forwarded the application
<coolbhavi> reg ben I dint hear from him though
<coolbhavi> so that makes it only one person
<coolbhavi> and yes I'll get in touch with techboard
<ajmitch> I was hoping ben would be willing, since he nominated himself
<ajmitch> he has a lot of experience
<coolbhavi> yes I know but I reached out to him a couple of times with the process and received no response
<ajmitch> hm
<coolbhavi> So as said earlier I was thinking of another call in april and try to reach to him and get wendar in
<coolbhavi> hopefully
<coolbhavi> so that arb would be in near full strength again
<ajmitch> sounds good, and those that arent in the arb can still do everything but vote
<coolbhavi> yes I was thinking to send a mail to app-review-contributors for something like app review week this cycle
<ajmitch> sounds like a good idea
<coolbhavi> and help on reviewing the apps
<coolbhavi> sure then I'll do it soon
<coolbhavi> the last update I had is wendar has expressed interest to write a mail to app developers that the review process takes bit of time
<coolbhavi> she said she is willing to come up with a draft soon
<ajmitch> 'a bit of time' is an understatement, sadly :)
<ajmitch> I hope that developers are willing to be patient, and I hope that the sandboxing doesn't take too long to implement
<coolbhavi> yes hope so :-)
<coolbhavi> thats it from my side
 * ajmitch doesn't really have anything to add
<coolbhavi> no issues ajmitch thanks a lot for the quick chat :-) I'm sure when you return you will rock!
<ajmitch> we'll just let highvoltage sort out the rest of the queue :)
<coolbhavi> haha seems a great idea :) I'll also devote some more time to the ARB :)
<highvoltage> ajmitch: what does the queue look like these days, btw?
<coolbhavi> highvoltage, growth has subdued a bit
<coolbhavi> now
<cwayne> hiya coolbhavi
<coolbhavi> hey cwayne
<coolbhavi> hey cielak :)
<cielak> hello coolbhavi! :)
<highvoltage> oh hello everyone. didn't expect there to be so much traffic here on a sunday morning :)
<coolbhavi> hey highvoltage :)
<coolbhavi> how is it going?
<highvoltage> I'm doing ok thanks and you?
<coolbhavi> doing fine done with lintian checks for arb
<coolbhavi> reading on apparmor
<coolbhavi> now
<wendar> coolbhavi,ajmitch: actually, what I was suggesting was a queue flush on everything before quantal
<coolbhavi> wendar, yes
<wendar> coolbhavi,ajmitch: we've done those before, with a polite message that we only review for the *current* release, and they're welcome to resumbit for quantal after they've tested on quantal
<wendar> basically, reject all the old submissions
<coolbhavi> wendar, seems good till atleast we have our tooling in place
<coolbhavi> I can do that but the only thing is I am thinking about the feelings of the developers
<coolbhavi> wendar, would it be ok if I bring up a small draft as a reply to your mail on the list?
<coolbhavi> as you gave the idea I'm asking you
<wendar> coolbhavi: don't mind at all :)
<coolbhavi> wendar, drafting a mail now then :-)
<coolbhavi> wendar, current release = stable release?
<wendar> yes, current stable release
<wendar> (instead of current development release)
<coolbhavi> ok thanks
<coolbhavi> sent mail wendar
<ajmitch> wendar: occasionally there are developers wanting to target the LTS, or are you just going by submission date?
<wendar> ajmitch: there are some developers targeting the LTS, one even specifically said they will only support the LTS
<wendar> ajmitch: but ARB policy isn't current release + current LTS
<wendar> ajmitch: it's only current release
<wendar> I'm kind of divided on that
<ajmitch> which should probably change, at least for the next LTS
<ajmitch> I still run precise on my laptop :)
<wendar> and it was my greatest hesitation is suggesting the queue sweep
<ajmitch> yes, I hate telling people that they need to resubmit because of something we didn't do
<wendar> and, if we had more resources to review packages, I'd go for changing the policy for the current LTS
<wendar> but, since we are so limited in resources
<wendar> and, there's really no way we'll get through all the old package
<wendar> s
<wendar> staying true to the actual policy is a good way to focus work efforts
<ajmitch> yeah
<wendar> we can't dig ourselves out
<wendar> but, maybe we can wipe the slate clean
<ajmitch> perhaps
<wendar> looking at what has been submitted since the quantal release, I think we could catch up on that
 * ajmitch has to head off to work now, mondays...
<wendar> yah
<wendar> it's for you all (ARB members) to decide
#ubuntu-arb 2013-01-14
<coolbhavi> hi dpm
<dpm> hey coolbhavi
<coolbhavi> in the app dev upload spec
<coolbhavi> what does make lintian check for = <= >= mean?
<coolbhavi> hey cwayne
<cwayne> heya coolbhavi, hows it goin?
<coolbhavi> its a festival here today. So a holiday
<coolbhavi> :)
<cwayne> coolbhavi: nice!
<coolbhavi> dpm, pm?
<dpm> coolbhavi, sure, go for it, don't need to ask for permission :)
<coolbhavi> :)
<PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
#ubuntu-arb 2013-01-15
<PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
#ubuntu-arb 2013-01-16
<coolbhavi> wendar, ping
<PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
#ubuntu-arb 2013-01-17
<mh0> Hiya. I've had a application "In review" for about 2 weeks now, I was wondering what a ETA could be for such apps?
<dpm> mh0, which app is it? Perhaps ajmitch or highvoltage can help?
<mh0> It's named "Clock"
<highvoltage> dpm: I could perhaps, I don't think I ahve arb rights back yet though (but should soon)
<dpm> highvoltage, yeah, but I was thinking in terms of reviewing it, not uploading it
<highvoltage> mh0: have a link for me?
<highvoltage> the name already sounds like it could be a problem if it's that generic, but I'll check in the package name itself
<mh0> https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/2016/
<highvoltage> mh0: ok, checking it now, it does seem like you'll have to change the name, though
<mh0> Yeah, kinda thought that
<mh0> I really should be more creative in terms of names.
<highvoltage> mh0: thinking of good, original names for things is really hard
<highvoltage> almost no one gets it right :)
<mh0> Indeed
<highvoltage> mh0: I ran the .deb I got in that zip file through lintian, it reported some problems worth addressing:
<highvoltage> E: clock: arch-independent-package-contains-binary-or-object opt/Clock/libffmpegsumo.so
<highvoltage> so "all" should probably be changed to "any" in the debian control file
<mh0> Right, okies
<mh0> Then re-upload?
<highvoltage> yep
<highvoltage> it's complaining about some spelling mistakes too. that's minor, but I suggest you run lintian too and then fix those for what it's worth
<highvoltage> mh0: does the clock play videos or something?
<highvoltage> mh0: there are embedded video codecs in there :)
<mh0> Hm, I'm sure its needed for node-webkit
<highvoltage> if it does indeed need them, then you need to depend on the codecs already in the archives and remove them from your package
<highvoltage> eek, it also contains openssl, zlib, libjpeg, libxml2, libpng, sqlite...
<highvoltage> you'll have to remove all of those and use the libraries already provided by Ubuntu
<highvoltage> mh0: ok, so running lintian on your package and working through the report it gives you will pretty much give you a lot of things worth fixing already
<mh0> Hm, I'll check more on how to package node-webkit apps for ubuntu
<mh0> if you could then put all of the fixes back to me I can have a look at them
<highvoltage> mh0: I'm afraid you'll have to fix them
<mh0> Yep, I understand that
#ubuntu-arb 2013-01-19
<coolbhavi> finally highvoltage is back on the ARB list
<coolbhavi> :)
<ajmitch> yay
<highvoltage> heh :)
<highvoltage> thanks for the welcome, coolbhavi
<coolbhavi> phew glad that you are back!
<highvoltage> there's a lot to be done. I think there are some ways we could put a bit more responsibilities on the submitters before submitting
<highvoltage> it would be nice if they could go through a checklist of basic things to check if it matches policy, at least
<highvoltage> then it could potentially get to a point where an app just takes 5 minutes before it's rejected or accepted
<highvoltage> and it should be either one of those (I know that's easier said than done :p)
<coolbhavi> yes :) thats one part but there should be a link to policy guidelines in myapps before the app developer submits his app
<coolbhavi> and thats one of the reasons behind the app dev spec I believe
<coolbhavi> or now that lintian is in place we could interface the same I think for now so that manual review gets less load
<highvoltage> yeah
<coolbhavi> I'll fire a quick post to the list then thanks!
#ubuntu-arb 2013-01-21
<coolbhavi> dpm, hey
<dpm> hi coolbhavi
<coolbhavi> dpm, I was thinking to clear the arb queue for now and had sent a mail but I dint get any response :(
<coolbhavi> just went through the queue now. and some of them are real good apps btw
<dpm> coolbhavi, I know. Did you try pinging someone else from the ARB on the channel to see what they think?
<coolbhavi> yes highvoltage was speaking about the same
<coolbhavi> I'll ping on list again anyway
<dpm> ok, cool
<coolbhavi> highvoltage, good morning
<highvoltage> good morning coolbhavi
<PaoloRotolo> Hi all
#ubuntu-arb 2013-01-23
<coolbhavi> hey cwayne
<coolbhavi> hey dpm highvoltage
<cwayne> heya coolbhavi hows it goin
<coolbhavi> cwayne, down with fever, on a holiday :)
<cwayne> coolbhavi: aw, thats too bad
<cwayne> feel better :)
<coolbhavi> thanks
<coolbhavi> mhall119, ping
#ubuntu-arb 2013-01-25
<PaoloRotolo> hi all!
#ubuntu-arb 2013-01-27
<PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
#ubuntu-arb 2013-01-28
<coolbhavi> hey dpm
<cwayne> coolbhavi!  hey
<coolbhavi> hey cwayne :) what time is it there now?
<cwayne> coolbhavi: 8:40 am
<coolbhavi> cwayne, so, good morning!
<cwayne> coolbhavi: thanks!
<cwayne> hows it going?
<coolbhavi> cwayne,  I gave a session yesterday on ubuntu development and ubuntu app development with some python basics at a local engineering college here where I found many students interested
<coolbhavi> from 9 -6 :) so going good!
<dpm> hey coolbhavi
<dpm> cool!
<dpm> good job
<coolbhavi> dpm, it was fun to see the fascination they had when I fired up glade and showed them a simple app... Some of them even wrote down all the quickly commands I used :D
<coolbhavi> dpm, btw I was planning on my ARB session this UDW.. any inputs?
<coolbhavi> as to what I can say
<dpm> coolbhavi, that's pretty awesome :)
<coolbhavi> :)
<PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
#ubuntu-arb 2013-01-30
<coolbhavi> hey dpm
<dpm> hi coolbhavi, how's it going?
<coolbhavi> dpm, its fine. Looking forward to your session
<dpm> :)
<coolbhavi> dpm, I'm in a jinx as to what to cover for my session on the ARB
<coolbhavi> looking at the queue
<coolbhavi> :)
<PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
<coolbhavi> hey PaoloRotolo
<PaoloRotolo> hi coolbhavi! The next session in the Ubuntu Developer Week is your, right? :D
<coolbhavi> yup just an intro on  the arb reviews
<PaoloRotolo> cool
<PaoloRotolo> coolbhavi, I was busy in the last months, so I want to start reviewing app for the arb again.
<coolbhavi> PaoloRotolo, cool!
<coolbhavi> will be of great help
<PaoloRotolo> and I'll be happy to do it :P
<PaoloRotolo> coolbhavi, congratulations for the session :) Oh, in MyApps review panel there is a new button "repackage". What it means?
<coolbhavi> PaoloRotolo, thanks! I have clicked on it twice and it changed status to pending review
<coolbhavi> dpm-laptop, can know better I guess
<PaoloRotolo> coolbhavi, ok, ty. So, I'll use the generic button "ask for information"
<coolbhavi> PaoloRotolo, woot 3 reviews in no time :)
<PaoloRotolo> coolbhavi, yep :P They uploaded a .deb file only.
<coolbhavi> :)
<PaoloRotolo> lol, look at this: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/2171/
<coolbhavi> hmm arma2 game with a gta icon
<coolbhavi> pass on to the myapps team :)
<PaoloRotolo> coolbhavi, sorry, what does myapp team do?
<coolbhavi> PaoloRotolo, myapps team takes care of reviewing any games like this and pdf's etc
<coolbhavi> basically they are the commercial queue guys
<coolbhavi> midnight and off to bed
<coolbhavi> here
<coolbhavi> good night all!
<PaoloRotolo> coolbhavi, thanks and good night :)
<coolbhavi> PaoloRotolo, ciao
<PaoloRotolo> :D
<PaoloRotolo> wow, an android app in My Apps portal :D https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/2079/
#ubuntu-arb 2013-01-31
<coolbhavi> hey cwayne
<PaoloRotolo> Hi all!

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