#ubuntu-mate 2017-04-01 <pi_Rinkle> n e 1 have info on rPi 3, official touchscreen driver or config file for ubuntu mate 16.04? <pi_Rinkle> .. or how to tell mate your screen res & rotation/refresh rate <power7000> hello <mate|16721> Hi everyone, would this be a bad place to ask a question about OS issues? i have crawled through google to no avail so far <mate|16721> I turned my laptop on today and have found that i can get no further than the welcome popup. If i close it i purely have a black screen. I have attempted to fix it using recovery mode to no avail. I used the chat room button on the welcome page and it opened a browser and thats how I'm here. Otherwise i have no desktop, right clicking on the deskt <mate|16721> op also does nothing, no menus or bars or background image. <mate|16721> CTRL alt delete works so i can turn it off/ restart. ctrl alt 1 does nothing <bull_> Hi ? <bull_> Hi wildlander ... <bull_> ist some expert in this chatromm that may help me with some (auto) mount Problems ? <util1> jourbonjour <util1> quand je clique sur emplacements puis ordinateur une fenetre vlc mes'ouvre et me dit qu'elle ne peut pas ouvrir le dossier ....quelqu'un peut il m'aider? <ouroumov> !fr util1 <ouroumov> !fr | util1 <ubottu> util1: Nous sommes desoles mais ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en franÃ§ais, veuillez taper /join #ubuntu-fr ou /join #ubuntu-qc. Merci. <util1> when I try to open "emplacements" then "ordinateur" it makes VLC start with error 3cannot open the file" ....will somebody help me? <ouroumov> util1, most likely cause is wrong default application for browsing files, <ouroumov> Go to the "Preferred Applications" settings <ouroumov> In the "System" tab, check what's selected in "File Manager" (it should be caja) <util1> I know it ...this issue appeared recently <util1> I started on ubuntu recently and I'm not used to many things sorry <ouroumov> No problem. Please check those settings and report back. <util1> thanks ouroumov I'll try what u said <kropveld> I just discovered that in Caja -the file manager- if I select a file and change properties to 'Read Only', I can still delete that file (no warnings or so). Is that normal or is that a bug?? <ouroumov> hi kropveld <kropveld> hello <ouroumov> kropveld, I'm not sure, do you see any change to the file attribute when you set it to read only? <Akuli> i want to see what it really does (ls -l) <kropveld> yes, in the terminal '--r--r--r'. In terminal I cannot simply use rm, but in Caja I can remove <ouroumov> Hm <Akuli> how about rm -f? <Akuli> i'm pretty sure you can <kropveld> Yes rm -f will delete that file <ouroumov> Akuli, but the question is, should caja do rm -f? <Akuli> i think it should delete the file if it can <Akuli> it is after all user-friendly <kropveld> Probably it does. But my question is how can I prevent from CAja to delete a file by accident when Read Only mode does not work? <ouroumov> Not to mention if there's a file read-only buried in a sub-folder, requiring confirm would require caja to gather all file attributes on deletion. That may be costly. <Akuli> maybe caja should do something like rm does http://termbin.com/9c6g <kropveld> If I put the folder in Read Only mode, I cannot delete *any* file in that folder <Akuli> you can list the files in it though? <ouroumov> kropveld, that's different <ouroumov> kropveld, attributes on folder don't mean the same thing as attributes on files <kropveld> I know <ouroumov> for instance "x" doesn't mean "can execute" but "can list content" <kropveld> But my question is how can I prevent from CAja to delete a file by accident when Read Only mode does not work? <ouroumov> or walk, I have a doubt on that one <Akuli> lol i made a folder with permissions 000 and now i can't delete it <kropveld> Yesy, but then you cannot read it, and that is not what I want <ouroumov> kropveld, I think you'd need to not use the default delete path but create a custom action and use that :/ <kropveld> If have also tried in using the Unity file browser, and it has the same (wrong) behaviour <funabashi> how can ubuntu mate be 5GB big ? <Akuli> no idea, the ubuntu mini.iso is 50mb if you want something smaller :) <nomic> z.z. <funabashi> but i want it for rasberry pi <alkisg> funabashi: well, it has browsers and libreoffice and everything <alkisg> It's a preinstalled image, it's not a live cd <Akuli> oh right live cd's are squashfs'd <alkisg> How big is your sd card? <funabashi> 16gb <funabashi> another questiion, ist just plug in the mirousb and it powers on? i see onÃ¶y red led lights <funabashi> and hdmi no signal <alkisg> funabashi: if it's 16 gb, why is mate=5 gb an issue? <alkisg> Raspberries have red and green lights <ouroumov> flexiondotorg, does "archived" on the qa tracker for zetsy beta 2 means testing is no longer possible? Should we switch to the daily live? <Guest99760> Test <Astro7467> Guest99760: You're watching TV. Suddenly you realise there's a wasp crawling on your arm. You; a. Swat, b. Squash, c. Savour, d. Trap? <SuperEngineer> e. kiss its arse <SuperEngineer> f. Have a deep and meaningful wasp/human relationship <SuperEngineer> g. type crap into IRC <mate|85548> 1 <mate|85548> 1 <mate|85548> 1 <mate|85548> 1 <mate|85548> 1 <mate|85548> 1 <mate|85548> 1 <mate|85548> 1 <mate|85548> 1 <mate|85548> 1 <mate|85548> 1 <mate|85548> 1 <mate|85548> 1 <mate|85548> 1 <mate|85548> 1 <mate|85548> 1 <mate|85548> 1 <mate|85548> 1 <mate|85548> 1 <mate|85548> 1 <mate|85548> 1 <mate|85548> 1 <mate|85548> 1 <mate|85548> 1 <mate|85548> 1 <mate|85548> 1 <mate|85548> 1 <mate|85548> 1 <mate|85548> 1 <mate|85548> 1 <Akuli> 2 <SuperEngineer> mate|85548!*@* added to ignore list. <doge-doge> hey guys, anyone active here to answer a quick support question about /boot? <doge-doge> basically since luks takes up a large portion of /boot, how do old kernels get removed to prevent /boot from overflowing <doge-doge> i'll ask on #ubuntu as well #ubuntu-mate 2017-04-02 <notebook> hi <johnnyCache> Is there someone here who can give me a bit of help ? I am trying to ssh from my mac into a rasp pi3, I got ubuntu mate on the rasp pi3, canât seem to do this <johnnyCache> anyone here ? <mao_> hola buenas tardes si yo quisiera instalar un servidor que pasos debo seguir <kitten4catz> HOLA <wjm-> Does anyone know what's happening with Ubuntu One? I keep trying to verify my email to report a bug against 17.04 and it won't verify me >_> <ouroumov> hi wjm- <wjm-> It's kind of annoying lol <ouroumov> I'm not currently having problem logging in <wjm-> I'm not either. But I can't validate my email. <ouroumov> Spam block maybe? <wjm-> Nah following the validation link provides some error message. <wjm-> Sure, now that I come on here it works ... <ouroumov> What's the bug btw? <wjm-> it's something to do with ubunt-mate-welcome. When it loads on the latest daily and 17.04 B2 - if you click or right-click the window border the entirety of the desktop becomes unresponsiive and forces you to kill off X or restart it. <wjm-> I noticed it last night when my cat jumped up on the desk and hit the right-click on the window border. <MrRichard> hello mates <wjm-> AFAIK, it doesn't exist before yesterday. <ouroumov> wjm-, I can't reproduce immediately <ouroumov> Hi MrRichard <MrRichard> Curious what would be more active, the telegram group or the IRC channel ;-) <ouroumov> Didn't the telegram group start just yesterday? <MrRichard> woops, my bad... was talking about a other telegram group <swift110_> hey all <rudy__> zapje <rudy__> hello is there someone <nicklas_> not much ativity here <swift110> hey all <Menzador> Hey <SonikkuAmerica> What's up? #ubuntu-mate 2017-04-03 <sudersan_> hi <sudersan_> i am using ubutnumate 17.04 beta 2 can i upgrade it when the stable 17.04is released' <alkisg> If you update normally through, you'll end up using the stable release <alkisg> *through updates <xc_> hi <xc_> can the lock screen bg image be changed? <sixwheeledbeast> yep <will__> ok <will__> So my cups wont print. Any suggestions? <FHRNHT> Hi guys <alkisg> Hello <FHRNHT> well, I just install Ubuntu-Mate. I'm totally lost but I have plenty of time, so I try to be patient. Anyway, it looks good. =) <sixwheeledbeast> lost? <Intel> What does everyone use Linux for? <ozmage> for fun <zorrolechat> hello <zorrolechat> anyone has a cool config for nice fading windows with compton <zorrolechat> ? <zorrolechat> im using latest ubuntu matÃ© <zorrolechat> i dont like Compiz...never liked it...it crashed very often <zorrolechat> also I was looking for site with information about the best mobo (intel) for ubuntu ? Couldnt find any. Toms hardware ? Sucks. Phoronix ? Sucks...The best I could get was to try to get information for builder like System76 lol <zorrolechat> from builders lol <Intel> I'm trying to open OSBuddy, keeps coming up with "OSBuddy null" <DarkPsydeLord> zorrolechat, ALÃ do you have any parameter for fading in you compton conf file? <zzwinsor> Hi. I just installed mate on a 8 year old laptop. Do you have any advice on how can I make some settings to fasten it up? <zorrolechat> oh i need to check the doc/man i guess...lol..im so lazy i wanted just to get some cool default settings <zorrolechat> you could put a ssd inside your laptop instead of HD, install lubuntu if mate is too heavy, add some RAM if possible <zorrolechat> several things you can do <zzwinsor> some software settings? <zorrolechat> in general i always had better performance on linux using intel CPUs...but this time i get O.K performance with that 4 years old AMD APU (Kabini)...but not using the GPU part ...nvidia instead <zorrolechat> oh i dunno..i think ubuntu its quite optimized by default...they try to make it easy for ordinary/business users #ubuntu-mate 2017-04-04 <mate|74317> hello tes <mate|74317> mates* <chatter29> hey guys <chatter29> allah is doing <chatter29> sun is not doing allah is doing <chatter29> to accept Islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger <chr1ss> hi pplz <swift110> hey all <Menzador> yo <ITwrx> does ubuntu mate automatically handle the issue with ubuntu where the kernels fill up the boot partition? or would i have to setup a cron job to run apt-get autoremove on every machine? <Menzador> ITwrx: You have to remove old kernels yourse.f <Menzador> *yourself. <Menzador> ITwrx: See http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/05/remove-old-kernels-ubuntu-16-04/ <ITwrx> ok thanks, menzador <ITwrx> it would be nice if ubuntu mate came with a cron job for autoremove since ubuntu is supposed to be Linux for Human Beings but they won't do it, even though it's caused a lot of young or new users a lot of problems. <alkisg> ITwrx: update autoremoves the previous kernels except for the last 2 <alkisg> Eh, or is apt-get purge --auto-remove still needed? <ITwrx> alkisg: when did that start happening? <alkisg> I think somewhere around 14.04 <alkisg> But I'm not sure if it's completely automatic, or if --auto-remove is still needed <ITwrx> alkisg: yeah, i'm wondering if it happens when a user uses the gui updater. i don't use ubuntu myself. i'm wanting to use ubuntu mate for PCs for kids so i don't want them having to deal with this. <ITwrx> alkisg: i also don't feel like manually setting up a cron job for every computer. <alkisg> Yeah it would be a mess that way :) <alkisg> Also, it would be an apt hook, not a cron job <ITwrx> hadn't thought of that. <walterpump> where to get instructions to install <Astro7467> @walterpump: you referring to installing Ubuntu MATE? If you need info on making a Bootable USB etc, they are on the bottom of the download page on ubuntu-mate.org <Astro7467> AFAIK you need to pick the architecture to get the relevant info (eg RPi SD card creation etc) <walterpump> Tnx Astro 7467: I have downloaded the dvd image now need to install on my computer. Since I have never done this before I want to read how. <ITwrx> walterpump: you need to write the iso to a cd or usb, then boot to/with it. <ITwrx> walterpump: first make sure your download was good by checking the sha sums. <Astro7467> @walterpump from the installer / live environment you can access this IRC, so any questions can be asked (but be patient cos most ppl here check in to help as & when free) <walterpump> Tnx all. I will try it live first to see that all is well, then try the install. <ozmage> which are compositors around ? similar to compton that can use glx ? <thomas> hi <dooley> should I be showing some kind of network traffic at all times in ubuntu-mate? <nicolas_> salut <nicolas_> je viens d'installer ubuntu mate sur mon PI3 merci super travail <dooley> it appears I am having a lot of blocked traffic in my UFW log <dooley> how do I fix or stop this <sixwheeledbeast> what traffic? <sixwheeledbeast> I assume outbound? <dooley> looks like it stuff coming in <dooley> I can paste a line of the log <dooley> it can be out I may not have looked at it correctly <dooley> 2017-04-04 14:21:19.00 PRIV TCP packet: SOURCE IP=936-429-9875 DESTINATION IP=936-429-9875 PROTOCOL=TCP <sixwheeledbeast> Would there be a reason a Chinese IP is trying to ping your firewall? <sixwheeledbeast> Seems inbound, I assume trying to port scan telnet or the like? <dooley> not that I know of? anything from xbox live? <dooley> I had one from london, one from Kiev <sixwheeledbeast> I would say it's not related to Ubuntu-MATE and people are trying to connect to your machine. Is UFW your only firewall? <dooley> I have my router firewall <dooley> what are you recommending? <sixwheeledbeast> Well you need to find out for for certain where the traffic is from and why. UFW maybe doing it's job. Can you check router firewall is it working? Are there logs? <sixwheeledbeast> Really i would expect the router firewall to block traffic first unless forwarded to your LAN. <dooley> let me go look <dooley> 2017-04-04 18:12:53.00 PRIV TCP packet: SOURCE IP=936-429-9875 DESTINATION IP=936-429-9875 PROTOCOL=TCP <dooley> that is what the line was out of, sorry, I got the two log files mixed up <TechWombat> I was wondering if anyone can help me find a tool that would be able to monitor loads of IP address and tell me if they are currently up or down, I am looking something with a GUI <sixwheeledbeast> ping or Gping? <TechWombat> I want something more than ping <TechWombat> I want a tool like https://emcosoftware.com/ping-monitor but open sources <ouroumov__> dooley, you're not behind a router? o_o <dooley> yes <dooley> I am behing a router <dooley> behind <ouroumov__> Then you shouldn't see external port scans, I don't get it <dooley> this is from the router logs <sixwheeledbeast> Ah, so these are not ufw then, this is the router logs? <dooley> I have never done a lot with networking. but I figured this has to impact my bandwidth somewhat <dooley> I could have sworn I had some ufw logs that showed external ips such as these being blocked, leet me look <sixwheeledbeast> If you are behind a router with firewall and it is working then you would only get forwarded traffic inbound to ufw. You may see outbound traffic like DNS requests and other normal stuff in ufw if your logging or blocking them. <dooley> what would have me getting pinged from all over Europe and Asia and how much impact would it be <sixwheeledbeast> There's not a lot you can do about it, if it's occasional then probably minimal impact. Is there a reason for targeting your IP? Open Ports? Do you have DoS protection on your router? Is it enabled? <dooley> yes I do, I just hope I do not impact my sons xbox live traffic, he is the only machine on the network and for about a month no he has had a mod connection, suddenly out of no where,. wonder if this could be why? <dooley> could be someone trying to get into his system? <dooley> Thanks for the assist sixwheeledbeast and ouroumov__ I will see if it goes away or stays going <TechWombat> Anyone got a server they want to give away, to a starting enterprises in Latin America? <eletious> Hello all <Astro7467> TechWombat: physical or VPS? <TechWombat> Physical, we need to because with a VPS the taxing can get a little complex <Astro7467> Okay. not in a position to help then <TechWombat> haha thanks anyway yeah you would have to give us XML that have been signed by the Mexican government and your costs... <TechWombat> Its a nightmare to start a business here, the cost of computer parts the taxing.. Gah it makes you want to pull your hair out #ubuntu-mate 2017-04-05 <anamik> Hi, could someone help me here I am having some issues trying to install anything essentially I tried to installed Kali linux tools to my ubuntu-mate using Katoolin and after that everything went bad... also before this I had kali install which changed the bootloader now when i am trying to install ubuntu via USB nothing happens <anamik> im new to linux and all would really appreciate any help that I can get I searched around google already cant seem to find any fix <ouroumov__> hi anamik <ouroumov__> anamik, couple of things: the software boutique has a "fixes" section (last icon on the right) : run them. <ouroumov__> anamik, then, I recommend you try another USB port if you have one for your USB boot key, alternatively re-do the key, I've seen strange blacklisting behavior on machines where a stick is recognized one first time, and stops working after that <yaku> hi' <yaku> hello <pranav_> hey <DerRaiden> morning <alkisg> Good morning <ubuntu-mate> Hi <alkisg> Hi <ubuntu-mate> alkisg, are u dev <alkisg> Yes but not of ubuntu-mate :) <ouroumov_> hi ubuntu-mate <ubuntu-mate> hi there ouroumov <ubuntu-mate> im testing ubuntu mate on live right now.. first time using linux <ouroumov_> Cool, what version are you using? 16.04? <ubuntu-mate> yeah <ouroumov_> I just completed a bare-metal install of 17.04 on my laptop. <ouroumov_> I'm gonna use it as a daily driver I think. <ubuntu-mate> nice.. <ubuntu-mate> linux seems nice just wish the software i use on windows could work over here <ouroumov_> You can have some of it working through Wine. <ouroumov_> What specific software are you using? <ubuntu-mate> metatrader 4 <ubuntu-mate> if i could get this working in ubuntu, i might switch <ouroumov_> What kind of hardware are you using? <ouroumov_> Specifically, how much storage space do you have? <ubuntu-mate> its hp19.. got intel celeron 4gb ram <ubuntu-mate> not my main rig tho <ouroumov_> ubuntu-mate, I mean your hard disk <ubuntu-mate> 500gb <ouroumov_> ubuntu-mate, then you can maybe try for a dual-boot setup <ubuntu-mate> yeah that was my last option if i cant seem to get that program working <ubuntu-mate> im complete noob in linux but is it true that u can req devs for a specific software to be added in software rep <ouroumov_> ubuntu-mate, more or less <ubuntu-mate> what distro are you using ouroumov? <ouroumov_> Ubuntu MATE 16.04 LTS and 17.04 Beta 2 <ubuntu-mate> cool.. you dual boot windows or do you only use linux <ouroumov_> Only Linux now, but I started by dual booting 10.04 & Windows 7 a few years ago. <ubuntu-mate> btw, what do you think of solus budgie in comparison to ubuntu mate <ouroumov_> I haven't tried Solus, so I can't really say. However one of the Solus devs, ikey is contributing code to Upstream MATE & working on projects that benefit Ubuntu MATE too. <ubuntu-mate> yeah i heard about some collab between two <sixwheeledbeast> metatrader4 seems to be cross platform <ubuntu-mate> sixwheel.. do i need wine to use that program or can i install it directly to linux <sixwheeledbeast> ah reading a bit more they say cross platform but actually they recommend wine <sixwheeledbeast> looking at it though wine will be fine <ouroumov_> Yeah. You can install wine from the software boutique btw <ubuntu-mate> yeah ill try through wine and see if it works smoothly otherwise back to shitty win 10 <sixwheeledbeast> also i would consider a windows vm over a dual boot <ubuntu-mate> oh any particular reason for that six? <ouroumov_> It's more secure. <ubuntu-mate> oh <sixwheeledbeast> no need to reboot for windows and if the vm dies or has a virus you can open a new vm and delete the old one <ouroumov_> Or restore a snapshot <ubuntu-mate> great idea.. ill try that <sixwheeledbeast> I looked at dual booting when I switched to Ubuntu many years ago. I never bothered, everything worked fine or I found Cross platform solutions to switch to <ubuntu-mate> do you guys game? <ouroumov_> I don't <sixwheeledbeast> a little, Steam has made a huge amount of games available for Linux now. <ubuntu-mate> is it true there is bit fps problem in linux with games <ubuntu-mate> you get high fps in games compare to playing in windows <ubuntu-mate> read this somewhere.. not sure how true it is though <sixwheeledbeast> Steam is also pushing to have Linux compatibility due to SteamOS. Never had an issue but I'm not a big gamer. There's so many variables, could be closed graphics card drivers or whatever. <ubuntu-mate> i see <ubuntu-mate> noob question but whats gdebi package installed in system tools <ouroumov_> I think it's a graphical application to install programs that are distributed as .deb files <sixwheeledbeast> https://launchpad.net/gdebi yep <ubuntu-mate> so deb files are like exe files <ouroumov_> No <ouroumov_> deb files are like archives that can contain, among other files, executables. <ubuntu-mate> oh ok <sixwheeledbeast> not really. A deb is a standard way of packaging a program for Debian based systems. .exe are windows executables <ubuntu-mate> got you <ubuntu-mate> So if i wanna download any software through a website like we do in windows, can i do it or its only through software boutique <ubuntu-mate> btw is software boutique available in live version? im not able to find it lol <sixwheeledbeast> You should ideally use a package manager to install programs when starting out. <sixwheeledbeast> System > Admin for Boutique <ubuntu-mate> got it thanks <ubuntu-mate> can you guys recommend any web where i can learn basic commands for linux <sixwheeledbeast> There's loads of information out there. Either written in magazines, in video or text online. It depends how best you like to learn. <sixwheeledbeast> When you say basic commands I assume you mean CLI? <ubuntu-mate> like installing or removing programs through terminal <ubuntu-mate> navigating etc <ubuntu-mate> also whats synpatic package manager <sixwheeledbeast> another package manager <ubuntu-mate> in software boutique, i dont see any search area to look for a particular software. is wine available in boutique? <sixwheeledbeast> First you need to learn how to use the shell and then how apt works which is a CLI package manager. Yes wine is in boutique, magnifying glass for search <ouroumov_> ubuntu-mate, I think the best way to learn basic CLI would be by reading our forums. Especially the "Tips, Tricks & Tutorials" category and the support category. <alkisg> Or just install synaptic, which is a graphical package manager :D <ubuntu-mate> i dont see any magnifying glass in boutique <ouroumov_> Update your boutique <ouroumov_> There's a "Retrieve latest software listings" thingy on the bottom I think <ouroumov_> That also updates the boutique software itself <ubuntu-mate> ok let me update <ubuntu-mate> YES now i can see magnifying glass.. i have mastered linux my friends xd <sixwheeledbeast> debian.org/doc/ is a good place to start re learning <ubuntu-mate> thanks six.. ill look into it <ubuntu-mate> wine development builds is the full name right? <sixwheeledbeast> It depends how much you like reading and how much you like getting stuck in. I believe dev builds is the only one in the boutique <sixwheeledbeast> it's a ppa I believe <sixwheeledbeast> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch01.en.html seems useful to bookmark if you like docs. <ubuntu-mate> synaptic package manager also contains software like boutique? <ubuntu-mate> thankyou <ubuntu-mate> ill bookmart it <ubuntu-mate> bookmark* <sixwheeledbeast> package managers just list what is in repositories. Boutique is designed to help new users get started with it's own selection of ppa's/repos providing useful programs. <ubuntu-mate> oh ok * sixwheeledbeast is off to work, bbl <ubuntu-mate> bye six. thanks again <ubuntu-mate> take care <ubuntu-mate> what software do i need for .tar files <ouroumov_> Engrampa, the archive manager, it's installed by default. <ouroumov_> You can just right click and go "Extract here" <ubuntu-mate> awesome thanks <ubuntu-mate> is there anything in ubuntu u cant do graphically and must use terminal for that? <ubuntu-mate> also, any bugs which should i know of <lhtd> Try and find out <lhtd> I haven't found any important bugs so far <ubuntu-mate> looks promising so far <lhtd> the only bug i found I cannot track it and it's linked to my job, so probably nothing major on ubuntu-mate <ubuntu-mate> oh... yeah everything seems to work perfectly.. i have been testing live from last couple of hours <lhtd> emjoy <lhtd> enjoy* <ubuntu-mate> do i need antivirus? lol <lhtd> nope <ubuntu-mate> awesome <ubuntu-mate> whats the shorcut key to open synapse <ouroumov_> CTRL+Space by default <ubuntu-mate> didnt work for me.. that program comes pre installed right? <anamik> can anyone help me with my issue here i had installed katoolin like an idiot and then tried to remove it only to find out the software changed the release information <anamik> i really dont know what to type in there <anamik> for ubuntu mate that is <ubuntu-mate> katoolin? what pokemon is that? xd <alkisg> Haha <ubuntu-mate> is there any good free vpn for linux? <ouroumov_> Depends what you mean by "free" and "vpn". <ouroumov_> You can freely use the OpenVPN client, and install your own VPN server as well. <ubuntu-mate> vpn for anonymous browsing <ubuntu-mate> not for severs <ubuntu-mate> servers* <ouroumov_> If you're referring to VPN services providers, then it's more or less the same as for Windows <anamik> ubuntu-mate, its a stupid decision was attempting to install kali tools into ubuntu-mate like an idiot <anamik> did not work out too well lol <anamik> http://askubuntu.com/questions/708836/removing-katoolin-from-ubuntu-14-04 <anamik> here are the instructions that i followed except this is for ubuntu-desktop since i could not find any instructions for mate <anamik> https://paste.ofcode.org/eTysSjCMQTw3Y39vfnJEQc <anamik> here is the code thats on my system <ubuntu-mate> yeah like vpn services.. in windows some vpns are free and some charge.. <anamik> trying to edit it but i searched online for what exactly should I put in there just cant figure it out as im new to linux <ubuntu-mate> so wondering if there is a free vpn client for ubuntu <anamik> could you help? <ouroumov_> ubuntu-mate, well it's the same on Linux. <anamik> ubuntu-mate, ouroumov_ i personally use Windscribe you may want to try it out its 10gb free and the monthly cost is very low and the speed is fast https://windscribe.com/ <ubuntu-mate> thanks <anamik> ubuntu-mate, could you help out bud? <anamik> just need to know what to put in these files <anamik> since the information is wrong its upable to reinstall software center as it should <anamik> and also kali-linux messed up my bios <ubuntu-mate> anamik today is my first day using linux bro <ubuntu-mate> i have no idea sorry <anamik> oh <anamik> ur using 16.04 ubuntu-mate right? <ubuntu-mate> try asking ouroumov.. he is helping me out with my questions <ubuntu-mate> yea 16.04 bro <ouroumov_> Yeah sorry but I'm drawing a blank here. I can only recommend you try the fixes from the software boutique and reinstall if that doesn't work. <anamik> 2 days trying to figure out what the dam issue is seriously just rather toss my laptop out the window and stick to my mac lol <ubuntu-mate> lool <anamik> turned on startup disk creator guess what? it does not recognize its own software cuz if i load up .iso for ubuntu it cant read it <ouroumov_> anamik, so use dd command instead. <anamik> ouroumov_, would you have a moment to help out bud? <anamik> i did <anamik> 5 times <ubuntu-mate> anamik, what makes u stop using mac and come to linux <anamik> it worked and didnt work at the same time <ouroumov_> anamik, what command exactly did you use? <ouroumov_> anamik, and did you check the sha256sum of the ISO before burning? <anamik> dd if=... of=... bs=1M <anamik> dont know how to do that <ouroumov_> Yeah, that's not the whole command anamik <anamik> sha256sum <anamik> oh that explains it <ouroumov_> just type sha256sum ubuntu.iso and make sure the ISO matches what's listed on the website <ouroumov_> (On the downloadpage) <anamik> ok <anamik> checking <ouroumov_> anamik, actual full command is dd if=ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M conv=fdatasync <anamik> oh <anamik> didnt add the last part <anamik> is that to close out the drive? <ouroumov_> if you forget the conv=fdatasync part, then you have to issue the "sync" command after dd completes <anamik> hmm <ouroumov_> It's to flush the disk I/O buffer <anamik> gotcha let me handle this now <ouroumov_> I'm gonna have a smoke, ttyl <ubuntu-mate> thanks our.. bye <anamik> Downloads sha256sum ubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso <anamik> e3b0c44298fc1c149afbf4c8996fb92427ae41e4649b934ca495991b7852b855 ubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso <anamik> is that it? <ubuntu-mate> anamik are you reinstalling? <anamik> well cant really figure out what the issue is so have no choice <anamik> but even with that i have an issue <ubuntu-mate> which issue <anamik> kali highjacked the bootloader thanks kali <ubuntu-mate> oh shit <anamik> and now it wont load up any bootable usb <ubuntu-mate> that happened to me when i installed ubuntu along with windows <ubuntu-mate> some grub loader messed everything <anamik> because my *release information is wrong and i cant find the right information i cant do software center reinstall so that i can fun grub loader fix <ubuntu-mate> man that sucks <anamik> fix* <anamik> yea im not a kind of person who would ask for help unless i have exhausted all other options lol 2 days im suffering on this now <ubuntu-mate> dont worry... u will find a solution <ubuntu-mate> Has anyone here tried solus budgie? <ubuntu-mate> looking for some insights in comparison to ubuntu <anamik> yea trying to figure out out <anamik> actually ubuntu-mate could you let me know what your system has in those files? <anamik> perhaps i can just use your information since you are using 16.04 anyways? <ubuntu-mate> which files <ubuntu-mate> im in live version right now <anamik> well 3 of them <anamik> hmm not sure if you would be able to access them <ubuntu-mate> hmm i dont see any files <ubuntu-mate> i can only see files of my main os <ubuntu-mate> which is windows <anamik> but need 3 files 1) /etc/*release 2) /etc/os-release and 3) /etc/*issue <anamik> oh to access it all you have to do is turn out terminal <anamik> and type in perhaps nano /etc/*release may have to sudo it first <ubuntu-mate> i dont know how to use terminal as of yet <ubuntu-mate> whats the full command <ouroumov_> <anamik> e3b0c44298fc1c149afbf4c8996fb92427ae41e4649b934ca495991b7852b855 ubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso <ouroumov_> <anamik> is that it? <ouroumov_> No <ouroumov_> It should be: 39cb4d4069dd79a9104b8c1c5d0d4a5b009779eec55fafeceafcf43c7ebcaba4 <ouroumov_> ==> Your iso is corrupted <anamik> ouroumov_, oh no i did a mistake <anamik> 16.04 version i have was failed download i have a version 17 which is fully downloaded <anamik> Downloads sha256sum ubuntu-17.04-beta2-desktop-amd64.iso <anamik> 7884a0f453abb912d14474ac11b15d85a275dedc92b197968b6f6bb1be724085 ubuntu-17.04-beta2-desktop-amd64.iso <ouroumov_> That's not good either <anamik> hmm <anamik> idk whats going on then <ouroumov_> 410f7531b457fc6ec2d86775845a5855b96b6c0e75d63b5b8c918908299035ff is the correct hash <anamik> i downloaded from ubuntuy website itself <ouroumov_> oh wait <ouroumov_> but that's not the ubuntu mate release! <ouroumov_> That's the normal ubuntu you're using <anamik> yea just trying to resolve the issue whatever the OS does not matter <ouroumov_> lemme check the hash again <ouroumov_> okay... I can't find the hashes for ubuntu standard -_- <anamik> lol f my life <anamik> lol <ouroumov_> So screw that, please proceed to dd the iso and test if you can boot it <anamik> ok doing so now <anamik__> ouroumov_ still going <anamik__> takes forever at times eh? lol <ouroumov_> Depends on the Speed of your USB connector and your key <anamik__> yea its an old computer <anamik__> trying to setup where i use my mac for work and linux for personal coding etc <anamik__> idk every time i use linux i somehow become more productive its strange lol less distraction like games etc i guess <con> Hi all I'm new i will watch and learn <anamik__> ouroumov_ still around? <anamik__> ouroumov_ restarted, hit f9 to select boot order, selected USB and it still goes straight to the following screen - https://www.dropbox.com/s/687gg9rwlkjfndm/IMG_1250.JPG?dl=0 <ouroumov_> anamik__, well, that's normal? <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg, I have a weird issue with my bare-metal install of 17.04 Beta2, I'm not sure if the compositor or mate-panel is to blame: when I hover over an item in the task bar (standard layout - bottom), a split second before the tooltip appears there's a flash of the top-left corner of the screen. I'm using marco+compton. <ouroumov_> (On an intel integrated graphics) <flexiondotorg> ouroumov_ Please try Marco software compositor and let me know it is works correctly. <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg, same deal with software compositor <ouroumov_> trying compiz <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg, compiz not affected <flexiondotorg> ouroumov_ Just tested on my laptop with Intel integrated. I can't reproduce. <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg, marco with no compositor is not affected either <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg, I've made a screen capture, the glitch is visible once 24 seconds into the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IretNifjdYc <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg, it's not limited to the taskbar, basically any panel item that triggers a tooltip shows it <nomic> i hate tooltips .. I disable 'tooltips' <nomic> on panel -- everywhere <nomic> all notifications .. I will not have anything 'helpfully' obscuring bits of the screen <nomic> with information that I know <ouroumov_> nomic, sure, that's what you prefer <ouroumov_> For new users, tooltips are useful <ouroumov_> It's part of system discovery <nomic> for new users <nomic> zz.z. <nomic> z.z.z <SuperEngineer> ssssssssshhhhhhhhhhh.... you'll wake everyup up * DarkPsydeLord is now awake... 0_0 <DarkPsydeLord> â¦¿_â¦¿ <sixwheeledbeast> o.O <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg, if you've watched it I'd like to take down the video. Do you know what component is likely to be responsible for this? <Akuli> ouroumov_, have you tried with another gtk theme? <ouroumov_> Akuli, it appears to affect all themes except High Contrast Inverse <Akuli> is this a gtk 2 or 3 mate? <ouroumov_> It's 17.04 Beta 2 - GTK3 <Akuli> do other gtk 3 tooltips have this? <ouroumov_> Yes, all tooltips I can see <Akuli> e.g. this? http://termbin.com/bto2 <ouroumov_> Akuli, what packages do I need to install for this to work? (It's a fresh install sorry) <Akuli> no problem :) python3-gi and gir1.2-gtk-3.0 <Akuli> i think <ouroumov_> hm, those are already installed though, any special import in the python script? <Akuli> you're running with python3 right? <ouroumov_> yeah <Akuli> can you pastebin the error? <Akuli> or just find some other program that you know is written in gtk3 and has tooltip <ouroumov_> http://termbin.com/oyrg <Akuli> from gi.repository import gtk <Akuli> Gtk <Akuli> should be <ouroumov_> Akuli, ok, yes I confirm this tooltip triggers it too. <Akuli> then it could be a mate thing or a gtk 3 thing <Akuli> i think pretty unlikely limited to ubuntu mate <flexiondotorg> ouroumov_ What video? <ouroumov_> I'm gonna <ouroumov_> <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg, I've made a screen capture, the glitch is visible once 24 seconds into the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IretNifjdYc <ouroumov_> brb <ouroumov_> back <flexiondotorg> I watched it. <flexiondotorg> Not sure what I can do until I can reproduce it,. <nomic> blah #ubuntu-mate 2017-04-06 <ryan> hello? <Guest4919> does anyone actually user this? <reinaldo> Hello <reinaldo> alguem Mais do Brasil? <anamik> hey guys can someone help me getting the following issue while installing a ppa http://codepad.org/9FJi6FB8 <nbk_> lol <esdwdftty> In Virtual box i see this if start update. I not see normally updete screen. This i see in 16-17 version Xu, Lu. Ubuntu Mate. But when i use update from Manager Synaptik, text in black screen have and i see process update. In vb 3d acseleration disable, anable 3d acseleration not help. I see the text only that which is located on a black. Host Windows, Guest Uuntu Mate https://www.dropbox.com/s/z038izbp7meop7n/q123edgt5er.png?dl <esdwdftty> =0 <esdwdftty> https://www.dropbox.com/s/z038izbp7meop7n/q123edgt5er.png?dl=0 <esdwdftty> Host Windows. Xu, Lu - Guest <alkisg> flexiondotorg: why does ubuntu-mate-desktop depend on "tlp"? Other desktop environments don't... and it breaks wake on lan for all of us that don't have thinkpads. <alkisg> Mind if I file a bug request for its removal? <flexiondotorg> alkisg It has been removed in 17.04 <alkisg> Ah, nice <alkisg> OK, I'll work around it for 16.04, not worth it to SRU it I guess... <alkisg> ty <finexbeer> hi when the ubuntu mate 17.04 is ready to donwload <finexbeer> ?? <SuperEngineer> 17th???? [not sure but think that is the date mentioned] <SuperEngineer> you could search for the date within http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ maybe? <alkisg> he left <SuperEngineer> he did... /me pretends to be sad <ali1234> april 13th <ali1234> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/ReleaseSchedule <ali1234> oh wait this is ubuntu mate channel <ali1234> dunno then <SuperEngineer> ali1234: quick, go find him/her... I'm sure he'll be grateful [not] <ali1234> flavours *usually* all release on the same day anyway <lhtd_> hey guys. When I right click on a file to see the properties to change de default program to open a file, it doesn't really work. Is this some sort of thing to report somewhere ? <ptikev> @lhtd idk, but you can change default programs per file type in Preferenceres>Prefered Apps or in /usr/share/applications/defaults.list <anamik> ouroumov_, hey bud are you around? <anamik> ouroumov_, i tried everything as you suggested however nothing worked at this point i have to figure out an actual fix <lhtd_> thanks :-) ptikev <ouroumov_> anamik, hi <ouroumov_> anamik, you mind reminding me what the problem was? It scrolled off my logs <anamik> ouroumov_ oh you were trying to help me reinstall ubuntu in my system completely <anamik> created the USB bootloader as instructed <anamik> but when i restart its just not loading from USB even when im selecting USB on boot order <ouroumov_> anamik, hmm, do you have a boot menu or a boot override somewhere in your BIOS? <anamik> yea already set that up to book from USB first <ouroumov_> Sometimes it's in the "Exit" tab <anamik> does not work <ouroumov_> hm <ouroumov_> And that's an USB stick you flashed with dd right? <anamik> yea <anamik> 16gb <anamik> Sandisk <ouroumov_> Some BIOSes have per/USB port security locks, have you looked for something like this? <anamik> yes nothing like that <ouroumov_> Also, I hear that it's not possible to boot from every USB stick, have you ever successfully booted from this one? <anamik> its HP so I had to turn legacy mode on but if thats not on linux wont even boot anyhow <anamik> yes <ouroumov_> Well <ouroumov_> I'm stumped. <ouroumov_> Sorry :x <anamik> i used this one itself to load ubuntu-mate im currently o <ouroumov_> Wait, what? <anamik> yea f my life lol <ouroumov_> Oh, you're currently using the live session of a different machine, do you mean? <anamik> no <anamik> this is the system im trying to reinstall <anamik> im also logged into this channel using my mac as well just so i can keep communicating <ouroumov_> And you booted off the USB? Then I don't think you stated your problem right <anamik> no im not booting off USB <anamik> it was installed <anamik> was working fine <anamik> i installed katoolin like an idiot <anamik> software center will not load <anamik> cant add any PPA at this point <anamik> the distribution template thats in /etc/*release got changed <anamik> i searched google on what the actual information should be for ubuntu-mate <anamik> but could not find <anamik> basically katoolin changed all that information to kali <anamik> kali also messed with the bootloader after katoolin install the grub2 screen look itself changed <anamik> so all i need to do now is wipe this system clean and basically reinstall everything <anamik> which i cant seem to do since usb is not loading <anamik__> this is me on my mac bt <anamik__> btw* <anamik__> now im trying out something new trying to downgrade grub to legacy version lets see if that helps <anamik__> ouroumov_ next course of option is also interesting i plan to catapult this HP laptop from my root top into the Arabian Sea and buy myself a nice XPS 15 with ubuntu preinstalled lol <ouroumov_> anamik__, at least salvage for parts <linuxman> salut je suis nouveau <Menzador> !fr | linuxman <ubottu> linuxman: Nous sommes desoles mais ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en franÃ§ais, veuillez taper /join #ubuntu-fr ou /join #ubuntu-qc. Merci. <anamik__> ouroumov_ trust me would not even bother so now i have a blk_update_request I/O error dev sr0 sector 9099064 blinking on my screen since I tried to update grub so the entire system is unbootable well plan 2 initiation begins lol wonder besides XPS15 which other laptop may be good? <ouroumov_> anamik__, you never know when you might need an extra Wifi-Card of a stick of DDR3L. <anamik__> ouroumov_ true <crankypuss> anamik__ dunno from xps15 but this xps13 is "good" for many values of "good". <anamik__> crankypuss yea i was wrong i meant xps13 itself <crankypuss> anamik__ so what's wrong with your xps13? <anamik__> crankypuss dont have an xps13 i meant i want to get it i have this stupid HP laptop <crankypuss> anamik__ oh. costly buggers the xps13. what kind of stupid HP laptop? was it you who has the hp-x2? <esdwdftty> Add in setting the appearance, a theme, which is the default in Ubuntu 10. <PlainDave> I have a perfectly good thumb drive that's not mounting in MATE. It was mounting this morning, but not now. <alkisg> Run `dmesg -w` and `udevadm monitor` while plugging it in <alkisg> (in 2 terminal tabs) <PlainDave> while plugging it in, do both at the same time? <alkisg> Run them both before plugging it in <alkisg> Those will continue to run and you'll see messages <PlainDave> oh cool. thanks <flexiondotorg> Tomorrow at 17:00 UTC it is Ubuntu MATE testing day on Ubuntu On-Air. Make a note and join the live streamï»¿ - http://ubuntuonair.com/ <encomjones> roger that <PlainDave> alkisg, the thumb drive shows up in terminal, but not in file manager (Caja). Hmmm... <PlainDave> in other words, I can't view the contents. <alkisg> PlainDave: when you say it shows up, do you mean it's mounted and you can "ls" its contents? <PlainDave> oh, good question. But I don't know the path of the drive, in order to ls it. <swift110> hey all <trent__> d <trent__> sup <trent__> anyone here? <trent__> just got this working on the rapberry pi 3 #ubuntu-mate 2017-04-07 <amish> can someone help me with my amd graphics card <amish> ? <amish> looks like this channel is inactive <alkisg> amish: be more specific <alkisg> !ask <ubottu> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience <alkisg> Also, in IRC you might get answers after hours or even days <alkisg> !patience <ubottu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/ <amish> ok thanks for the response <amish> actually, this is my issue: <amish> I have a laptop with intel core i3 + amd radeon r5 m330 <amish> I am using Ubuntu Mate 16.04 <amish> I am not able to use the amd card for games. Only intel driver runs <amish> xserver-xorg-video-ati is installed <alkisg> OK. Note that if the problem isn't specific to mate, then it might be best to ask in #ubuntu, as more users are there; but of course you can ask here too. <alkisg> Now wait for possible answers; I can't help you because I'm not using proprietary drivers <amish> suggestion taken <amish> ok <amish> by the way I do not need proprietery drivers <amish> I need open source drivers to use the amd card <amish> it only uses intel card currently <Astro7467> I have an AMD R480 installed currently and I see 3 potential 'drivers' related to ur card amish <Astro7467> xserver-xorg-video-{amdgpu,ati,radeon}-hwe-16.04 <amish> can you elaborate <amish> should I just install xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu-hwe-16.04 from synaptic? <Astro7467> I'm currently not in a position to research it, but depending on age, ur card would use 1 of those three - amdgpu being the latest <Astro7467> there is info on the correct driver on the amd site from memory <Astro7467> the 'hwe' is the hardware-enablement pack - which is newer drivers - there are other dependencies <Astro7467> xserver-xorg-video-all-hwe-16.04/xenial-updates <Astro7467> these are part of 16.04.2 - inc kernel and xorg changes <amish> sorry got disconnected by mistake <amish> I dont see my card listed in any xserver-xorg-video-{amdgpu,ati,radeon}-hwe-16.04 in the synaptics package descriptions <alkisg> lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA => this only lists one card? <amish> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0a16] (rev 0b) <amish> Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller [103c:80c4] <amish> Kernel driver in use: i915 <alkisg> If it only lists one card, then maybe you need to go to your bios settings and enable the other card <alkisg> At least that was the case when I was last trying multiple cards; but this was before optimus <amish> ok. I am going to bios and check if I can find that setting. BTW I was able to use amd card using bumblebee when I was using Manjaro <amish> there was no option for graphics card in bios <alkisg> amish: if you were able to make it work in manjaro, check the related kernel/xorg versions, and try to find an ubuntu version with similar kernel/xorg <amish> in Manjaro, bumblebee supports both amd and nvidia cards <amish> probably, it supports only amd cards in ubuntu <amish> i dont know why <alkisg> http://askubuntu.com/questions/59044/bumblebee-and-amd-radeon-cards <alkisg> There they say that it's only for nvidia, while for ati they suggest fglrx <alkisg> I think fglrx isn't available in 16.04 though <alkisg> So you might want to try 14.04 instead <alkisg> You can also ask in #ubuntu-x. The people there will definately know; but they may answer in ..monday :D <amish> :( <amish> I like 16.04... <chr1ss> hallÃ¶li, jemmand deutsches da? ;) <chr1ss> habe probleme mit trafficserver programm konfiguration, aus der fehlermeldung werd ich nicht schlau, falls wer erfahrung hat pls msg me <ouroumov_> !de | chr1ss <ubottu> chr1ss: In den meisten Ubuntu-KanÃ¤len wird nur Englisch gesprochen. FÃ¼r deutschsprachige Hilfe besuche bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Einfach "/join #ubuntu-de" eingeben. Danke fÃ¼r Dein VerstÃ¤ndnis! <chr1ss> kay thx <chr1ss> i can speak eng too... but is more like engrish <chr1ss> xdxd <fernando> hola <erwin> hello, I just did a clean install of the UbuntuMate 16.0.2 image on a raspberrypi3. Direct after install I tried to do updates (216MB). However I get an error, the root / disk is about 4 MB too small to do the update. Any suggestions, other than use gparted to enlarge the root partition? ( I tried that also, however there i get an error because the extra space that i allocated can't be used). <ouroumov_> hello erwin. This issue has been widely reported on our forums: https://ubuntu-mate.community/ <erwin> ok I will try to find this there. Thanks for the reply. <lime_> about to boot this on a powerbook g4 <lime_> just got it in the mail <DarkPsydeLord> lol from resbaloso to turroncito how are those related from slimy to sweet <flexiondotorg> At 17:00 UTC it is Ubuntu MATE testing day on Ubuntu On-Air. Come and join the live streamï»¿ - http://ubuntuonair.com/ï»¿ <flexiondotorg> That's about 10mins from now. <jarco_> Hello, Does ubuntu mate support uefi, I just created a usb with ubuntu mate on it but I cant seem to find the efi folder <Akuli> jarco_, it should, how are you booting from the stick? <Artemis3> jarco_, 64bit, should work if you dd the iso into the thumbdrive <jarco_> I just want to alter the efi files to be able to boot from a 32 bit uefi, but the efi files are not in the image <jarco_> I did the 32 bit image tho <jarco_> So thats probably it <jarco_> its a pavilion x2 tablet <jarco_> it doesnt have fancy 64 bit uefi, So I am trying to add that myself <Artemis3> isn't this tablet 64 bit? <jarco_> yes it is <jarco_> but the uefi is not <Artemis3> ugh <jarco_> idd! <jarco_> If I had known ... <jarco_> there are workarounds <jarco_> but they are insanely hard for a noob like me <Artemis3> hmm seems someone did an iso for debian <jarco_> I almost managed to get arch running, Almost, untill i couldn't find initramfs on the image anymore :D <jarco_> yes debian works <jarco_> BUT, it has next to no support for the hardware <Artemis3> tried this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/392719/32-bit-uefi-boot-support <jarco_> Not yet <jarco_> I am currently trying to write my own efi config <jarco_> and then make grub upgrade it to 64 bit <jarco_> this solution seems to do something similar <jarco_> But I would prefer mate instead of ubuntu itself, actually I would prefer antergos, but ubuntu mate seems cool to. I like the work wimpy puts in it
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