#kubuntu 2005-12-01 <Mars^^> No problem is that i installed version for PC (Intel x86) install <Mars^^> despite the fact i have ADM64 <Mars^^> What schould i do now? <mymayer> h, no comment :) <mymayer> no idea <Mars^^> ye same me <Mars^^> stupid situation <Mars^^> i noticed today that i have AMD 64 <Mars^^> looks like i will have to reinstall whole system <nalioth> Mars^^: stick with x86 <fatejudger> Mars^^: maybe you should pay attention next time <mymayer> u noticed TODAY that you have a other CPU ? <cl3> anyone no if there is a config prgm to change soundcards in kubuntu aka sndconfig? <nalioth> you'll have nothing but trouble getting flash, w32codecs and other commercial things to run on amd64 <nalioth> Mars^: use the 686 kernel and you'll be fine <nalioth> Mars^: you'll have nothing but trouble getting flash, w32codecs and other commercial things to run on amd64 <cl3> geez............................... <fatejudger> nalioth: is it really that bad? <Mars^^> so ehat is better <Mars^^> reinstallin whole system? <fatejudger> Mars^^: you have to get the amd64 version <fatejudger> Mars^^: there is no other option <nalioth> Mars^: first: i just got here. what are you wanting to do with your bot? <nalioth> box? <nalioth> fatejudger: do you not see all the pissed off people in #ubuntu when they find out they cant run their a/v stuff except in a chroot? <Mars^^> you mean what? <nalioth> Mars^: if you expect to run any audio video or flash on your hardware, use the 686 kernel (unless you are familiar with 32-bit chroots) <Mars^^> I dont speak english well so i have problems with understandng :] <fatejudger> nalioth: lol, I don't go to #ubuntu <Mars^^> I use i686 kernel <Mars^^> no <Mars^^> sorry <Mars^^> 386 <fatejudger> nalioth: I'm guessing more than one has gone back to Windows <nalioth> fatejudger: flash, w32codecs and the java plugin for firefox dont work too well on amd64. there are other things that dont work too well either <fatejudger> nalioth: is it just for firefox or for Konq too? <nalioth> fatejudger: idk, but Mars^ can use the 686 kernel if he's got more than 768mb ram, and he'll be fine <Mars^^> but isnt it better to use 64 os for my 64 processor <fatejudger> Mars^^: that's what he said <Mars^^> isnt it slower with os for 32? <fatejudger> nalioth: as a programmer, I don't see how a 64 bit processor is any faster <nalioth> Mars^: you may use either one, with no 'slow-downs' <berkes> evening <fatejudger> nalioth: it just has bigger memory addresses <berkes> any pointers to where I can get a working/nice repository with mplayer? <Lord_Athur> hi <Mars^^> so another stuid question- how to change kernel for 683? <Mars^^> 6* <pv_> does konqueror have bookmark autocompletion (as in Gnome's Epiphany browser), or is it planned? <nalioth> Mars^: use adept <Mars^^> and look for the kernel? <Lord_Athur> hi <darkrad> what's NFS? <Mars^^> Need for speed :] <darkrad> lol <Lord_Athur> is there a guide to learn how to make programs in ubuntu and kubuntu? <nalioth> Mars^: find linux-image 2.6.12 -blah- 686 <fatejudger> Lord_Athur: if you're asking that, you probably shouldn't be writing programs in the first place <mymayer> Mars^ just a tip : I`ve just installed kubuntu on my AMD64 3000 and it freezes cause of the "poerdown" service... <darkrad> If your only internet connection is via an ndiswrapper wireless card you can temporarily use the old kernel from the grub menu in order to download the files needed <darkrad> what's that mean? <darkrad> how can be done? <Lord_Athur> fatejudger, then where can I learn more about it? * Food is back. <fatejudger> Lord_Athur: go to your local college? <Mars^^> nalioth, linux-686 is it this ? <fatejudger> Mars^^: just save yourself the trouble and download the AMD64 iso <Mars^^> Yes but it will take ages to restore everything i have on my PC now <nalioth> Mars^^: i run powerpc, i'm not familiar with the naming of intel/amd kernels <Mars^^> ok <Mars^^> so i see i will reinstall my os :] <darkrad> fate, what's the grub menu? <fatejudger> darkrad: it's a kernel boot menu <darkrad> how to use it? <darkrad> probably i will need after the update <Lord_Athur> there are more of one talking in the channel, may I ask you something by a query? <darkrad> since ndsiwrapper could not work <Lord_Athur> fatejudger, shall I talk to you by query? <Foodcoman> I have an off topic questions associated to playing DVD's! Anyone know the offtopic channel? <nalioth> #kubuntu-offtopic <robotgeek> Foodcoman: #ubuntu-offtopic/#kubuntu-offtopic <berkes> Foodcoman: try mplayer. Mplayer is not Free in the pure sense, but at least it Just Works :) <Foodcoman> berkes: Thanks <Foodcoman> Wireless connection issue to my laptop just now. sorry. <Foodcoman> I was looking for libdvdcss2. <berkes> its a b!tch to get to work, mplayer, because it is so horribly supported in ubuntu, but once running, its a relief. <MrFaber> Hi all <MrFaber> Is there any wlan expert out there? <Foodcoman> Not I but I just made some headway. <Foodcoman> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26623 <Foodcoman> Thinkpad R52 <Foodcoman> things work fine from the command line. <Meaulnes> anyone use vpnc to connect to a cisco vpn? or anyone have any experience getting the cisco vpn client working? <osh> MrFaber: Just ask. If someone knows they'll answer. <berkes> Foodcoman: same laptop here :) <MrFaber> osh: thanks :) <MrFaber> Ok, I have da D-Link DWL-650+ WLAN PCMCIA-Card <MrFaber> It is recongnized through ubuntu but I can't get it to run without and especially with encryption <MrFaber> I have installed the wpapacket <MrFaber> but I don't know which driver to choose <MrFaber> all seems to fail <nalioth> MrFaber: dont even bother trying to run with WEP or mac filtering, there is lots of trouble in those areas <MrFaber> never do this <MrFaber> Only tried to use WPA :D <MrFaber> WLAN without it makes no sense <MrFaber> imho :) <Fillado> :) <Fillado> you can also crack WEP pretty easily <MrFaber> Fillado: thats wyh I tried to use WPA <alistair> can someone help with an x-config problem? <alistair> *groan* please.. <Fillado> ok i'll try :) <alistair> thanks :D <alistair> I tried enabling shaddows and translucency.. and it totaly screwed up my x configuration <Fillado> oh <Fillado> don't have a clue about that :D <alistair> so i reconfigured x, and removed my nvidia-glx drivers... <alistair> so i have x running, but I can't re-install my drivers. <Fillado> hmm <alistair> i can get nvidia-glx, but i can't get glx-dev, which i need to run the config file <alistair> any ideas? <Fillado> type nvidia-glx-config enable <squidbullets> nalioth you got your ears on? <MrFaber> alistair: I am pretty sure that you don't need the dev package <Fillado> that runs the config file and writes to xorg.conf <nalioth> squidbullets: always for you <alistair> ehh. <alistair> i'll try it Fillado <alistair> but i think it had an error <Fillado> ok <squidbullets> what is the offtopic handle, again? <nalioth> #kubuntu-offtopic <alistair> Fillado: it sais it modified my xconf file, but i think it'll have an error when i reboot. <alistair> i'll be back in a few minutes( depending on if i have to reset x again ) <NeoFax12> I set the root passwd to use Automatix. How do I remove it so I can use sudoed programs? <sobersabre> is there a superkaramba 0.37 for kubuntu already compiled ? <LjL> sobersabre: not in the standard reps <nalioth> NeoFax12: the root passwed is the least of your problems if you used automatix <nalioth> NeoFax12: your sudo abilities should not be affected by having a root account <sobersabre> I don't need the standard repo, i need it compiled.. I am lazy bone... <nalioth> sobersabre: it is easy to compile <NeoFax12> nalioth: Why do you say that about Automatix? <nalioth> NeoFax12: automatix has a long history of breaking k/ubuntu boxes <nalioth> NeoFax12: i speak from experience, i volunteer in #ubuntu and here to help people <nalioth> and have seen may broken machines due to automatix <mymayer> which is the best "solutions" for an "winamp" app in kubuntu ? <robotgeek> NeoFax12: did you not read the automatix post, and saw that it enabled root? <nalioth> mymayer: xmms is a clone of winamp <ClayG> What is a program that can convert an .mpg(already in dvd format a+v) into a dvd and structure it so as well <NeoFax12> robotgeek: I id, but I didn't think it would break it as bad as it did. <robotgeek> NeoFax12: i am not quite sure how you would undo creating the root user <robotgeek> sorry <nalioth> NeoFax12: the root pass is the least of your problems. <nalioth> NeoFax12: your sudo should still work fine <NeoFax12> nalioth: I cannot use adept anymore due to this <nalioth> NeoFax12: then open a konsole and let apt-get or aptitude rescue you <frank23> ClayG: dvdauthor maybe but I don't know the details <ClayG> Thanks, I'll check into that <NeoFax12> nalioth: That would be good if I didn't have over 100 packages to update. <nalioth> NeoFax12: aptitude or apt-get will update them all at once <^rob^> hi <^rob^> is there a way to get info from blank cd? - i want to see if there is a blank cd in the writter or not! <NeoFax12> nalioth: Would it be possible to sudo sux - then adept to install packages? <nalioth> NeoFax12: sudo what? <nalioth> if you said sudo su, that is redundant, use "sudo -i" <NeoFax12> nalioth: sudo sux - will put you into a root account with X capability. <nalioth> NeoFax12: i have no idea what that is, 'kdesu' should be used for kde things <NeoFax12> nalioth: Could I just delete out the password out of /etc/passwd so root is blank again? <nalioth> NeoFax12: i'm not sure how passwords work, perhaps ask in #ubuntu <NeoFax12> Thanks! * gerardocb is away: Away at the moment * Food is back. <Lord_Athur> hi <Knowerrors> what firewall (iptables config tool) do people use here <Knowerrors> ? <stupendo44> Knowerrors: I use KMyFirewall <Lord_Athur> I'm sorry I don't use a firewall <Lord_Athur> and what anti-virus do toy use stupendo44? <nalioth> Knowerrors: the article i sent you yestern didnt help ? <stupendo44> I'm not using an anti-virus, but once Avast comes out with their Linux version, I will probably use their's. That's what I use on Windows <Knowerrors> yeah, Ive been too lazy too delve into the advanced parts of it... but I think iptables was messed up to start with <Knowerrors> I tried firestarter <Knowerrors> which completely locked out in/out everything <Knowerrors> and couldn't change rules on it <nalioth> stupendo44: there are no virusses for linux <redguy> nalioth: is that true? <Knowerrors> so I uninstalled firestarter and iptables <stupendo44> nalioth: I know that, but it's a possibility... <Knowerrors> and then just reinstalled iptables <stupendo44> viruses can be written for linux, they just won't be as dangerous or spread as easily <stupendo44> there's nothing on linux to prevent viruses from deleting user files and contacting a host over the internet. Unless you set up a firewall for the latter. <nalioth> stupendo44: the main reason linux has clamav (and now avast) is to protect their windows using associates from any virusses they may send on in their email/p2p <stupendo44> nalioth: that's doesn't even make sense.. <nalioth> stupendo44: linux users use clamav to scan their incoming files, so they dont send them on to windows users via email or p2p <nalioth> stupendo44: there are no known viruses for linux <stupendo44> nalioth: I suppose that makes sense <stupendo44> nalioth: right, but there can be... <stupendo44> nalioth: don't you agree? <nalioth> stupendo44: i can walk outside and have a airplane fall on me, too <Knowerrors> nalioth: do you know anything about kernel settings for iptables? <nalioth> Knowerrors: i do not <stupendo44> nalioth: it's not very hard to write a program in RealBasic that exhibits virus-like activity <stupendo44> just a simple program that searches for files and deletes them <nalioth> stupendo44: but why would you run it? <stupendo44> then maybe adds itself to startup, and performs a DOS attack on a website <cb_> stupendo44: is RealBasic opensource? <stupendo44> cb_: no, just free <nalioth> stupendo44: this is not windows where things start themselves <stupendo44> nalioth: a high percentage of viruses on Windows are installed when users execute a file in an email <cb_> stupendo44: Ok, does it have a DB engine bundled? I want to giveit a try. <stupendo44> nalioth: with the growing acceptance of things like autopackage, you may be able to run things <stupendo44> easily <stupendo44> cb_: I'm pretty sure it does <nalioth> stupendo44: this is not windows. most viruses will not run even if they are made for linux, by reading your email <stupendo44> realbasic.com <cb_> thanx <stupendo44> nalioth: not automatically... <nalioth> stupendo44: i suspect you are really really security concious <nalioth> but i doubt it's necessary <stupendo44> I use Thunderbird when I use Windows, and that doesn't run anything automatically <stupendo44> only Outlook Express and Outlook do that <cb_> In kubuntu, I insert my USB camera and Konqueror says cannot fine media:/sda1. How do I get around this? <stupendo44> nalioth: actually, I'm not really security concious. It's just that as a Windows expert I remove viruses and spyware a lot and have learned a lot about them. And as a die-hard Linux and OSS convert, I don't want people to be unrealistic about the possibilities for viruses on Linux. <stupendo44> There needs to be behaviour-based antivirus <nalioth> stupendo44: they ARE a possibility, but so is the chance of me gettin a airplane dropped on me when i step outside <aeon17x> stupendo44: for one thing, you have to get them to be executable for the viruses to work. <stupendo44> that would prevent a virus from doing what it could do. I know viruses can't be written to screw everything up like they can on Windows, but they can definitely do damage to user files, which are sometimes more important than Windows (or linux) itself <stupendo44> aeon17x: that's why I mentioned the growing acceptance of autopackage <stupendo44> with autopackage the design would allow you to just double-click them without setting the executable attribute <nalioth> stupendo44: autopackage is not used in ubuntu nor is it looked upon highly by the ubuntu devs <aeon17x> stupendo44: and we have official repositories to circumvent that :) <aeon17x> stupendo44: I highly doubt porn sites would start offering debs or rpms within the next five years or so. <stupendo44> nalioth: If you don't support autopackage, then what do you think the solution for the installation issue is? <nalioth> what installation issue? <stupendo44> it's definitely not easy right now, and it needs to be before everyone will use it <Knowerrors> nalioth: seems reinstalling iptables made things more secure, now pcflank is just reporting visible ports, not open ports <stupendo44> password confirmations are fine, but the extreme number of distributions has created a possible incompatability with installing software <Knowerrors> should I bother making them stealth? <LjL> stupendo44: incompatibilities are not really due to the different packaging formats. proof: many debian packages won't run in ubuntu, even though it's the same packaging scheme <LjL> stupendo44: the packaging is just the tip of the iceberg <apachelogger> http://amarok.kde.org/amarokwiki/index.php/MP3_on_Ubuntu_5.10 <apachelogger> muhahaha <nalioth> Knowerrors: are you running apache or ftpd or any servers? <Knowerrors> no <stupendo44> LjL: I know it's not the packages. I didn't say it was <nalioth> Knowerrors: then ALL your ports can be visible and there's NOTHING that can happen to you <LjL> stupendo44: i'm sorry, i haven't followed your discussion very carefully, i'm afraid <Knowerrors> nalioth: this is just a web browsing home office desktop box, though I would like to be able to ssh into it from another computer when Im out of town <stupendo44> LjL: no big deal. just don't let it happen again... :) j/k <nalioth> Knowerrors: well, port 22 will only allow access by user/pass (and it has to be found, first) <Knowerrors> do I need to do anything on this box to set that up? <nalioth> Knowerrors: apt-get install ssh <Knowerrors> ok, I already had ssh installed before I reinstalled iptables... should I reinstall ssh also? <nalioth> Knowerrors: you need openssh-server <Knowerrors> already got it installed <Knowerrors> so I should be good then? <nalioth> yup <NeoFax12> nalioth: Thanks for the help! BTW, do you know of a way to use the debs in /var/cache/apt/archives on one system to use on another? I would like to have two systems that are exact replicas of one another. <nalioth> NeoFax12: i have just the solution i think you are looking for, let me find it <nalioth> NeoFax12: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/09/msg00152.html <NeoFax12> nalioth: PERFECT! Just what I was looking for. I have been searching ubuntu forums and google all day for this. <mcrandello> does anyone know of a way to get kde desktop to open a jar file with "java -jar"? <mcrandello> just setting it in the "open with..." dialog doesn't seem to work <NeoFax12> mcrandello: Can you run it from konsole like that? <mcrandello> on a related note, let's say I've got 10 duplicate entries for "java" under the open-with context menu, is there an easy way to delete them all? <mcrandello> NeoFax12, I could, I'm just lazy :) <NeoFax12> mcrandello: There is a folder that holds those files. <mcrandello> NeoFax12, thanks, I'll check .kde <NeoFax12> OK then. You should be able to set the mimetype of jar to run with java. Also, I think you can click on the jar file and set the properties to run in a terminal. This should kick off aterminal and run say java -azureus.jar and then close the terminal. <NeoFax12> I am not positive though. <mcrandello> it does try to start it like so: java myfile.jar <mcrandello> although most of the jar files I've encountered want: java -jar myfile.jar <mcrandello> for some reason passing the switch in the "open with..." dialog doesn't seem to take <NeoFax12> mcrandello: You could also probably write a script that takes the input file and pass it to java -jar $FILENAME. <mcrandello> that seems like what I'll have to do <Don_Rad> is there anyway to set the own's root password? <Don_Rad> instead of sudo thing ? <mcrandello> Don_Rad, it's not reccomended but <LjL> Don_Rad: yes, but don't do it <NeoFax12> If you write it as a right-click file, please post it on KDE-Apps for everyone to enjoy. <nalioth> Don_Rad: it's not advised <LjL> Don_Rad: before you ignore the advice and do it anyway, ask yourself, what are you trying to gain exactly? <Flying_Eagle> i accidently hit some keycombination and fired up "katapult". which keycombination was it? <nalioth> ubotu: tell Don_Rad about root <nalioth> Don_Rad: what do you want to do ? <NeoFax12> Don_Rad: Don't do it. I did and it messes alot of things up. <Don_Rad> allrigt <NeoFax12> Flying_Eagle: You could go to kcontrol and look at the key combos to find out. <mcrandello> hrmm that's one of the first things I usually do when I install <nalioth> Don_Rad: sudo -i will get you a superuser shell, if that's what you are after <Flying_Eagle> NeoFax12, i did so <Knowerrors> nalioth: what modifier is needed on ./configure? Im going to make ksmoothdock... I know its ./configure --"something"=/usr , but forgot <Don_Rad> ok <Flying_Eagle> didnt find a fitting entry <Don_Rad> but when i type sudo -i the password prompts it <Don_Rad> and i don't know whats next <mcrandello> it wants your user password I thin <mcrandello> think <NeoFax12> Don_Rad: That's your pasword <nalioth> Knowerrors: ah, ksmoothdock is a rough customer. before you configure, type "make -f makefile.cvs" <Don_Rad> JA! <Don_Rad> allritgh folks <Don_Rad> sorry about <Don_Rad> im a newbie on kubuntu <mcrandello> NeoFax12, anyway I was wondering if I needed to put something like "$FILENAME" after the "java -jar" in the "open with..." window <Don_Rad> thanks folks see u next time :D <NeoFax12> mcrandello: I am not positive, but I think KDE does that for you. <mcrandello> I thought so too but then again I miss a lot of basic things sometimes so I thought I'd ask :-) <Knowerrors> nalioth: then what do I type with ./configure ? <nalioth> Knowerrors: if the make -f thing worked out, just ./configure <Knowerrors> what about kooldock, same thing? <mcrandello> NeoFax12, thanks for the help. I'll see if I can find a kde channel and if they don't know I'll probably write up a one liner and submit it :) <nalioth> Knowerrors: i only know ksmoothdock cuz a few folks asked about building it a few days ago and i helped them <Knowerrors> cool <Knowerrors> man, firestarter sucks, I installed it, and once again lost all net access by its default setup <LjL> what about kxdocker? that's packaged <LjL> contrary to kooldock and ksmoothdock, which currently have to be compiled <LjL> those two might be better though, dunno <Knowerrors> I acutally have ksmoothdock installed already <Knowerrors> and kxdocker <Knowerrors> just wanted to install kooldock also to compare with the other two <gar-> i have a little problem i try to access a application on the System menu like login screen setup i see the tab but after a moment it close the program like crash what that could be thanks. <Knowerrors> kxdocker uses too much cpu, close to 90% on my Athlon 1800, and its hard to configure <Knowerrors> when I roll over it that is <Knowerrors> that crzy parabolic zoomin <Knowerrors> nalioth: guess I will go back to that article to learn more about stealthing and custom firwall tweaking <nalioth> Knowerrors: if you are referring to grc.com, it's a lot of bunk <nalioth> Knowerrors: 'stealthing' is a "sales term" <nalioth> Knowerrors: if your box has no running servers (aside from sshd) you dont need "stealthed" anything <Knowerrors> don't know :) <Knowerrors> ok <nalioth> now , windows is another story, entirely <Knowerrors> so Im good then with the default ubuntu iptables setting then <Knowerrors> don't need shorewall or guarddog or any of the others...? <nalioth> yes, no 'firewall' is needed with a default k/ubuntu install <Knowerrors> so that protects from trojans too? <nalioth> Knowerrors: a trojan 'hides' in legitimate appearing files <nalioth> Knowerrors: you should be aware of waht you run <Knowerrors> what kind of files? binaries, or anything? <nalioth> anything that is 'executable' could possibly be hiding a trojan <nalioth> just be sure what you execute from your email and such <gar-> why alot of aplication crash on kubuntu breezy 5.10 any know???? <Knowerrors> so sources, for example the ksmoothdock, doing a ./configure make make install, those could be trojans if a bad source? <nalioth> Knowerrors: that is why you dont use sudo until the install part <nalioth> and dont use 'make isntall, use "checkinstall" instead <nalioth> but the source before you ./configure and make it is all in text form <nalioth> so you can read it and see if it is safe or not <Knowerrors> is there a scanner for linux that will auto check everything you download for trojans? <nalioth> Knowerrors: clamav <gar-> why alot of aplication crash on kubuntu breezy 5.10 any know???? <nalioth> Knowerrors: but clamav only checks for windows things <nalioth> Knowerrors: with source code, you are more likely to encounter badly written code <nalioth> Knowerrors: most places that host source code, dont allow malicious folks to post there <Knowerrors> nalioth: I just did a trojan scan on pcflank and found an open 2001 port, says Duddies Trojan uses it.. how do I quickly close that? or should I <nalioth> Knowerrors: what is pcflank? <Knowerrors> www.pcflank.com <Knowerrors> nalioth: has good firewall tests, so I read in kubuntu forum <nalioth> Knowerrors: but it's aimed at windows users <nalioth> Knowerrors: no win32 trojan will run on linux <Knowerrors> ok, are there any good linux security test sites? <nalioth> Knowerrors: i'm not sure threre are any aimed at users <nalioth> since there are no known problems on our level <Knowerrors> so should I close that port 2001 anyway? <nalioth> Knowerrors: do as you like, i personally have run linux since 1997 and never had a problem of any kind <nalioth> Knowerrors: i've never closed a port, or anything <Knowerrors> cool, thx for you insight, dinner now, bb later :) <mymayer> how to install the currrent NVIDIA driver on a kubuntu Amd64 with a GF6600 <mymayer> i somehow cannot "run" the driver i downloaded, he says wrong "kernel sources" <neoncode> How do you run .deb files, I forgot... <apokryphos> dpkg -i <apokryphos> or right-click <gerardocb> well... u can *install* .deb files <neoncode> dpkg -i thanks... <edu> alguem do brasil?/ <nalioth> edu: vaya de la #ubuntu-pt <ts2> What is the difference between Kubuntu and Knoppix? Why another KDE Debian? <edu> obrigado thanks <apokryphos> !relationship <ubotu> I don't know, apokryphos <apokryphos> hm <apokryphos> ubotu: relationship is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/document_view <ubotu> okay, apokryphos <ts2> apokryphos: that thats Ubuntu vs Other Imaginary Debian derivatives, not Kubuntu vs Knoppix <wrl> I can't seem to get sound from mozilla-thunderbird to work with kubuntu. I'm using alsa and artsd. Soundworks from other applications. Any suggestions as to what to do? <apokryphos> ts2: that's the beginning of it -- it tells you why Ubuntu exists. Kubuntu exists for similar reasons, of course. <apokryphos> i.e. regular release cycle, independent packages (though syncing back with debian etc) <neoncode> When I run any configure script in an attempt to build anything, I get this error"configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check See `config.log' for more details." <nalioth> neoncode: install build-essential <neoncode> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! <neoncode> nalioth: Now it says that <neoncode> Sorry for posting into the channel but it's not realy worth putting in the paste bin <nalioth> ubotu: tell neoncode about xincludes <neoncode> nalioth: Thanks <neoncode> Sigh, now it's "configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1 (20021021)) (headers and libraries) not found". I now *nothing* about compileing... <neoncode> oh wiat, I think ubotu provided an awnser... I think <nalioth> neoncode: you need libqt3*-dev <nalioth> notice * is a wild card <neoncode> nalioth: I know. I must rember to ask ubotu before posting about it... <nalioth> i dont think ubotu knows the answer to everything <apokryphos> :-O <apokryphos> you are lying <neoncode> nalioth: He(she?) Knows a fair bit... <neoncode> nalioth: I know it's a bot but it might have been given a gender? <nalioth> if you like to think of those things that way <nalioth> mr ubotu has not whispered sweet nothings in my ear, or invited me to a football game so idk what gender it'd be <neoncode> meh, oh what are the KDE header pakages? ubotu dosen't know that... <apokryphos> kde-devel <neoncode> apokryphos: Thanks! <apokryphos> neoncode: what are y ou trying to compile>? <nalioth> neoncode: what are you building? <neoncode> alloyon-0.2 - it's a KDE window decoration, I think... <neoncode> yea that's it... It about time I got all these files anyway <apokryphos> neoncode: it's often good to use sudo apt-get build-dep {package} to resolve depenencies (where {package} is any package in ubuntu repos) <apokryphos> that particular one isn't, but there's other kde styles in the repos (i.e. kde-style-lipstik), so you could do sudo apt-get build-dep kde-style-lipstik to resolve depends <neoncode> Oooo... I never knew that... * apokryphos now heads off to bed <nalioth> sleep well <neoncode> Yay! compile ran with out errorrs! yay, and goodnight apokryphos, thanks for your help <nalioth> neoncode: checkinstall? <neoncode> nalioth: What's that.... <nalioth> what you should use instead of "make install", neoncode <nalioth> ubotu: tell neoncode about checkinstall <neoncode> nalioth: Too late... I did "make" then "sudo make install" Seems to have worked anyway... <nalioth> neoncode: not too late for next time <neoncode> Ooo I see, so it allows easy removeal? <nalioth> what happens is: when you "make install" something, and things go horribly wrong after ward, it's not easy to find all the cracks and crevices the different parts of the program were installed to <nalioth> checkinstall makes rudimentary deb files for easy system maintenance <fatejudger> nalioth: can't you just use make deb or something? <fatejudger> nalioth: I use checkinstall, but I would have figured make deb would be just as easy <nalioth> fatejudger: i've not ever had luck with the traditional deb tools <fatejudger> nalioth: checkinstall is very reliable <nalioth> fatejudger: yes it is, for end user use <seth_k|lappy> apokryphos, you're my hero for actually standing up to arnieboy... I thought I was going to be the only one who called him on his crap <nalioth> seth_k|lappy: let's take this to -offtopic, please <nalioth> before the flames begin <seth_k|lappy> haha <seth_k|lappy> nah, that's all I'm saying, no need <seth_k|lappy> otherwise I would've, you're right * nalioth is a barely restrained nuke on that subject <neoncode> ... <arcanistherogue> hey, does anyone know how to get an applet on the dock similar to the "drawers" in gnome? You know, so I can have one icon whcih I click so that it expands and shows all the icons in it? <nalioth> arcanistherogue: they do exist for kde, but i'm not sure of the name of them <arcanistherogue> nalioth: do you know what I should google to get those? drawer applets for KDE? <nalioth> arcanistherogue: acolon@example.com <nalioth> or kde-apps.org <arcanistherogue> oh <arcanistherogue> ok <arcanistherogue> thanks alot <arcanistherogue> (b'_')b <acc_> Hi, #Kubuntu. I'm trying to install kubuntu on an Athlon 64 X2. I've tried the amd64 port and am currently trying i386. Both seem to freeze immediately after "Checking battery state..." is displayed. I've read that this can be avoided by disabling ACPI, but I'm unsure how to do that in GRUB. Any help would be appreciated, thanks. <davedorm> w00t <davedorm> nice and fresh after a dist-upgrade <nalioth> NeoFax12: you here? * davedorm yawns <alistair> ok guis. <alistair> apt-get mauled my system... <alistair> so, i want to reinstall kubuntu.. <alistair> but i was thinking- it would be smashing if i could install enlightenment with kubuntu instead of k+ubuntu. <alistair> right mates, know what i mean? wink wink? 0|0 <alistair> so, <alistair> how do i go about doing this? <alistair> or can i install both? <nalioth> alistair: you can have as many DEs as you wish <alistair> yay! nalioth :) <alistair> nalioth: sudo apt-get install enlightenment ? <nalioth> alistair: you "COULD" do that * davedorm is away: Away at the moment <nalioth> or you could do this <alistair> hmm.. <nalioth> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79155&highlight=enlightenment * dorm_AWAY is back. <_sean> I've got a quick question: how do I make the K Menu NOT display the descriptions, or at least, show them after the name of the program? I can never find things because they're sorted wrong. <alistair> ahh <alistair> ubuntu's x-org is bad, mates <alistair> :| <alistair> *moan* <nalioth> alistair: what is the matter? <kkathman> alistair: in what way? <alistair> it crashes whenever i install my nvidia drivers. <alistair> and i have to reconfigure it every time i startup <alistair> or it crashes <alistair> nyway,- <alistair> should i install my nvidia drivers before or after i install enlightenment? <nalioth> alistair: use VESA <nalioth> leave the crashing behind <alistair> whats VESA? <nalioth> a display driver that will drive any video card under 7 years old <marwan> need some help here <alistair> but... is it optomized for a ge force 4? <alistair> isn't that a lousy default driver? <marwan> i wanna install real plyer in my system <marwan> any one can help me with this? <alistair> try: <nalioth> alistair: nothing lousy about it, it outperforms a lot of "specific driver" in some cases <nalioth> ubotu: tell marwan about realplayer <alistair> nalioth: hm, i'll give it a try <alistair> marwan: sudo apt-get install real-player <alistair> or something like that... <nalioth> marwan: if you read the msg ubotu sent you, you'll be on your way <marwan> ok Thanks <marwan> i will try that <alistair> alright, i'm reinstalling kubuntu... so *nalioth* i'll try the vesa driver, and i'll try using enlightenment with it :) <alistair> brb mates <alistair> its beddy-time for me, mates <alistair> cheers :) <alistair> thanks nalioth. <_carsten> carsten: please rename <_carsten> well, not please, I will kick you if you don't :) <nalioth> _carsten: /msg nickserv help ghost <thompa> hiya <Hobbsee> hey <nalioth> howdy <thompa> nalioth: do you know how i can get started on encrypting some email messages? <nalioth> thompa: install and learn about gnupg <thompa> kmail lists OpenPGP (gpg), is that anything? <nalioth> ubotu: tell thompa about gpg <nalioth> thompa: also http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/8746 <thompa> right on thanks <nalioth> thompa: install gnupg <nalioth> !info gnupg <ubotu> gnupg: (GNU privacy guard - a free PGP replacement), section utils, is important. Version: 1.4.1-1ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 1019 kB, Installed size: 4660 kB <thompa> that a lot <sobersabre> hi guys. <sobersabre> is this 35rc1 worth download ? <sobersabre> i've seen so many issues with it on the website. <nalioth> sobersabre: dont get in a big hurry <Hobbsee_away> sobersabre: i like it, using it here, but it's probably safer to wait till the release <Hobbsee> sobersabre: it's pretty stable now <Hobbsee> i find, anywya <sobersabre> and what about all these: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems <sobersabre> ? <viviersf> tmpfs 507M 13M 494M 3% /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-686/volatile <---- wtf is that ?> <viviersf> cos its using all my ram <sobersabre> :-) <sobersabre> is there a wireless connection management app for linux ? to have several wifi nets, and to be able to see iwlist xxx0 scan results etc. ? <sobersabre> i mean gui.. <frank23> sobersabre: you can try network-manager <sobersabre> you mean the one that i already have in ubuntu by default ? network-admin ? <frank23> sobersabre: no network-manager is different <frank23> !info network-manager <sobersabre> apt-gettable ? <ubotu> network-manager: (network management framework daemon), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 0.4.1+cvs20050817-0ubuntu4 (breezy), Packaged size: 295 kB, Installed size: 1384 kB <frank23> yes <sobersabre> lemme see.. <sobersabre> WHAT?!?! it installs bind ?!?! <sobersabre> frank23: are you running bind ?! what da hell ... <frank23> sobersabre: i don't actually use network-manager... I tried it once and it seemed to work ok <frank23> If using DHCP, <frank23> NetworkManager is _intended_ to replace default routes, obtain IP addresses <frank23> from a DHCP server, and change nameservers whenever it sees fit. <sobersabre> frank23: it attempts to install bind. bind is a DNS server. I don't want to run a DNS server. <frank23> ok <sobersabre> thanks for the tip. I'll dig into network manager more, to see what does it need bind for, and then... we'lll see :) <sobersabre> byebye <_ubuntu> hi there <_ubuntu> can someone help me install this to my hard drive, dual boot please <_ubuntu> anyone? <_ubuntu> anyone home <hussam> _ubuntu: what's the problem? <_ubuntu> im trying to install linux (kubuntu) <hussam> and it's not working? <hussam> _ubuntu: what part of the install is not working? <hussam> damn freenode, keeps disconnecting <_ubuntu> i am currently operating from cd <hussam> _ubuntu: what part of the install is not working? <_ubuntu> i would like to install it on a partition <_ubuntu> were can I install it on the harddrive ? <hussam> did you create an empty partition? <_ubuntu> yes G: <hussam> ok let the install use that partition <_ubuntu> how do I install it from here <_ubuntu> < new to linux sorry <_ubuntu> I have xp on the same disk <webhostaudotcom> greetings from Melbourne AU <hussam> webhostaudotcom: the installer should guide you for using the empty partittion <hussam> split the empty partition into swap and ext3 (/) <webhostaudotcom> it didnt, I am in here now <webhostaudotcom> http://www.webhostau.com <croppa> #lisglug <webhostaudotcom> how do I install this on my harddrive <hussam> webhostaudotcom: just install on the empty partition and kubuntu will take care of the multibooting <webhostaudotcom> then I go to dos prompt and type G:\install ?? or <webhostaudotcom> is there a command window in here? <hussam> no you should boot from the kubuntu CD <webhostaudotcom> i have, Im running it now <hussam> what part of the install process are you now <hussam> ? <webhostaudotcom> running from the cdrom <hussam> what do you have on the screen? <webhostaudotcom> this chat program Konversation <webhostaudotcom> Mail - Kontact <hussam> didn't you boot from the install CD? <webhostaudotcom> yes <hussam> or is that a Live/install CD? <webhostaudotcom> live/install cd <hussam> oh sorry then. I used the install CD to install kubuntu <webhostaudotcom> where do I get it from? <hussam> http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/kubuntu/5.10/kubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso <webhostaudotcom> is that a Aussie download? <hussam> webhostaudotcom: australian mirror http://mirrors.uwa.edu.au/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/5.10/kubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso <Hentai^XP> gone he is <hussam> oh <hussam> Hentai^XP: I think he was just advertizing his site <Hentai^XP> should I drive to taco bell? <Hentai^XP> dunno but ok <robotgeek> Hentai^XP: isn't it too late to walk in <Hentai^XP> 8:22 pm <Hentai^XP> wouldn't think so <robotgeek> yup, i know now. it's 4.00 here :) <Hentai^XP> to go or not <Hentai^XP> I really wasn't something mexican <Hentai^XP> taco bell is about closes to the mexican border I'mm gonna get on guam <Hentai^XP> robotgeek ? hussam ? <Hentai^XP> I need some votes here <libben> taco bell taste like **** <robotgeek> taco bell > Mickey D's <libben> taco bar in sweden though is way more tasty <Hentai^XP> well ther nearest restuarnt for mexican food is 30-45 minute drive to town <libben> cook some food at home? <Hentai^XP> taco bell is good to me for american mexican tyoe fiid <Hentai^XP> I'm no cook <Hentai^XP> as a 18 year old nope <libben> =) <libben> anyone wanna help me? ive used windows xp recovery cd and typed fixmbr on it, and then copied ntdlr and ntdetect.com to c: and now i can finally boot windows again. but now grub wont show up. no wonder =) cause of the fixmbr. now i need to boot to linux with a livecd and grubinstall... i need some help <libben> linkd in #ubuntu said this to me yesterday libben: no there is a better way. use a live cd like knoppix or ubuntu live and mount ur partitions, chroot them, then grub-install again to fix ur mbr and install the bootloader <amu> libben: so it is ... <Hentai^XP> sorry dunno thing about dual boots or most linux based oses <Hentai^XP> I vote libben's vote and say I head to mcdonalds <Hentai^XP> err taco bell <amu> chroot it into, and run apt-get install grub --reinstall OR dpkg-reconfigure grub <libben> in sweden we have Max =) way better then mcd =) <Hentai^XP> veto <Hentai^XP> bad english language, bad <libben> amu well, i need step by step help =) u wanna do the trick? when i boot to livecd? <Hentai^XP> libben everything in sweden has a counter part that is better I take it <Hentai^XP> bbi30' <libben> Hentai^XP not really, were just better in far more areas. and some we outclass you totally in =) <amu> libben: sure, query me in private <libben> ill boot to kubuntu livecd then-.... brb <Hentai^XP> lol <libben> Hentai^XP mcd is really good. max is good also. but i still prefer mcd fries. but i like the burgers from max. cause theyre diffrent. after eating at mcd in 20 years. u outgrow it some. <libben> and we also has burger king. also good. but their fries are not so good as mcd's * robotgeek reminds himself that this is #kubuntu, not #kubuntu-offtopic :) <mahangu> whoa <mahangu> KDE++ <mahangu> :) * mahangu is an ubuntu user trying out kubuntu <robotgeek> mahangu: hi <mahangu> robotgeek: oh hi :) <robotgeek> mahangu: i'll just talk to you there :) <mahangu> KDE is GORGEOUS to look at <mahangu> i think im in love * mahangu sighs <mahangu> where can iget themes for it? <Japsu> hey, am I doing something wrong or is this a bug... I'm trying to synchronize the Kontact calendar and address book between my two computers but multisynk on the Kubuntu laptop shows no installed synchronization plugins... on the Gentoo desktop machine there's for example "AddressBook connector", "Remote connector" (the one I'd be using) etc. <Japsu> mahangu: kde-look.org <mahangu> Japsu: gracias <Japsu> I'm using KDE 3.5 RC1 <Japsu> and I have the kitchensync package installed <Japsu> but do I need to install yet another package to get the synchronization plugins? <mahangu> anything else i can do to soup this baby up? <Japsu> Oops, now I can see them <Japsu> just had to restart KDE <Hentai^XP> back <darkrad> hi <darkrad> just upgraded to breezy version <darkrad> but after reboot it hangs at "checking battery state..... [ok] " <darkrad> what should i do? <darkrad> i see others had that prob <darkrad> but doesn't know what they did to fix <darkrad> please boot with bootparameter: acpi=off <darkrad> is an answer i saw <darkrad> but how to set it? <Japsu> darkrad: Ubuntu uses GRUB as its boot manager, so when it says "Press ESC to enter menu" at boot, press esc... Then select the kernel you want to boot and press 'e', select the line beginning with "kernel", hit 'e' again to bring up the line editor, append "acpi=off" to that line, then hit ESC to go back to the last menu and hit 'b' to boot. If this works, you can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to incorporate the same change in the permanent config. <Japsu> darkrad: Note that on laptop systems, not using ACPI can be harmful to your hardware, or at least make the battery go out a lot faster. <Japsu> darkrad: So you should try to find a permanent solution that would not include disabling ACPI... and if Hoary worked, there should be one <Japsu> darkrad: You could try, for example, using "noapic nolapic" instead of "acpi=off"... This does the trick on my laptop for some braindead kernels. <darkrad> fixed <darkrad> was the nvidia driver i installed before <darkrad> now i set "nv" instead of "nvidia" <darkrad> wish to install succesfully nvidia thought <mymayer> i have big problems running kb on a AMD64 with a nvidia GF6600. My machine freezes after somerandom time, and it seems to be the nvdia driver. But i cannot take the new one, he is everytime saying, i have the wrong kernel-sources. Can someone help ?` <yuxel> hi, any application to record sounds from artsd ? <Lord_Athur> hi <Hobbsee> hi <Lord_Athur> :) <mymayer> which kernel should i need if i have a 386 or 686 ? i dondt wnat to use 64 bit <apokryphos> mymayer: the 686 one <mymayer> thank you <mymayer> apokryphos: can you help me with my nvidia driver isntallation. when i use not the nvdia, the nv driver, my system hangs um randomly <mymayer> and i somehow cannot handle to install the current nvdia driver as iam always faiol on the srouces. Iam sure i have the right one installed, but.. <apokryphos> mymayer: have you installed nvidia-glx? <apokryphos> mymayer: and, what card do you have? <mymayer> apokryphos: GF6600 <mymayer> if i start with nvdia-glx-configure enabled <mymayer> he says me that my nvidia kernel modul is to "low" ( 71xx insted of 76xx) <apokryphos> gotta go to brunch; will help when I'm back if I can <mymayer> thank you <asraniel> does someone know how i can fin out which is the correct device for my dvd? i changed the fstab after a tutorial for my laptop (travelmate 8100), i changed the mountpoint to /dev/sr0, but i cant remember where it was before, how can i find that out? or does anyone have a travelmate 8100 here? <darkrad> hmm <darkrad> still hangs on checkign battery when i install nvidia =\ <libben> amu: thxs for the help. hopefully i can boot windows also. gonna try that later on. but its all good so far. <mymayer> where is the standard search for kubuntu packages ? <Hobbsee> mymayer: um, what do you mean? adept, synaptic, apt-cache search, packages.ubuntu.com <mymayer> Hobbsee: where can i find this package : linux-sources-2.6.10, as it not seem to be in my package list, but i need it for nvidia driver installation <Hobbsee> !info linux-sources-2.6.10 <Hobbsee> hmmm <Hobbsee> is it on packages.ubuntu.com? <crimsun> yes, I pasted that from apt-cache policy <mymayer> dont know <mymayer> iam just following a tutroial <darkrad> to do what? <darkrad> install nvidia on breezy? <crimsun> -ECHANNEL <mymayer> and as i failed before cause of "wrong" linux sources, i think thats exactly the point <mymayer> darkrad: ye <crimsun> mymayer: typo <darkrad> paste link plz <mymayer> darkrad: yes its ahorror <mymayer> darkrad: to what ? <crimsun> mymayer: linux-source-2.6.10 (Hoary), linux-source-2.6.12 (Breezy) <darkrad> of the tutorial <mymayer> darkrad: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NvidiaManual <mymayer> crimsun: on second <mymayer> ok <mymayer> crimsun: is it ok installing the IA64 driver with on 686 (AMD64)wihtout 64 bit ? <crimsun> mymayer: ia64 != amd64 <crimsun> two completely different architectures <mymayer> crimsun: thats what i didnt get <crimsun> if you installed the i386 version of Kubuntu on amd64, you need the i386 driver <mymayer> but there are 64but drivers too, so where is the differenz ? <crimsun> if you installed the amd64 version of Kubuntu on amd64, you need the amd64 driver <mymayer> crimsun: Iam using the 686 kernel right now <crimsun> then you need the ia32 version <crimsun> aka i386 <mymayer> crimsun: no i didnt installed the amd64 version, instlaled the 386 version <mymayer> its no problem using the 686 kernel ? <crimsun> no problem. It's still 32-bit. <darkrad> mymayer: are u installing on hoary or breezy? <mymayer> breezy <crimsun> (Thus you need 32-bit drivers) <darkrad> k <darkrad> can u let me know if the tutorial work? <mymayer> root@kundtu:~# uname -r <mymayer> 2.6.12-10-686 <darkrad> u had the same prob about "checking batteries .... [ok] " hang? <mymayer> thats my kernel <mymayer> darkrad: no my system hangs randomly <darkrad> ic <mymayer> i thought its about cool `nj quite <mymayer> but i have disabled it <mymayer> and now i find out <mymayer> if i take the veso drivers, system is stable <evdvelde> I don't think the system hangs on checking batteries, it is just the last step before starting X, so if X crashes, you keep seeing that line <mymayer> evdvelde: yes on my system, he stops cause of the wrong kernel-module ( 71xx) isntead of 76xxx <mymayer> crimsun: so what do i need. i have breezy 386 switched then to the 686 kernel. <crimsun> mymayer: the ia32 drivers, like I stated above <mymayer> crimsun: thank you very much <crimsun> np <mymayer> crimsun: he says, i maybe have the wrong gcc installed ( 4.0) cause the kernel was compilde with 3.4. What can i do, as completely deleting gcc4 seems to deinstall the half system <crimsun> mymayer: install 'build-essential', 'linux-headers-$(uname -r)', and 'gcc-3.4' <mymayer> and then export CC ? <mymayer> crimsun: did all the steps, like its in the tut <mymayer> its just the last step with the gcc crisum <darkrad> on the tutorial it says: <darkrad> Now that your Xorg.conf is saved, we need to shutdown the X11 server so that we can install the new drivers. To do this, save your work and press ctrl-alt-f1, and log in. Then run the following command to shutdown X11. Make sure your work is saved, Gnome is going to shutdown too. <darkrad> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop <crimsun> mymayer: export CC=gcc-3.4 <mymayer> thank you crisum <darkrad> but i get: <darkrad> sudo: /etc/init.d/gdm: command not found <mymayer> just logout darkrad and login in a console <Hobbsee> sudo: /etc/init.d/kdm <Hobbsee> i mean... <mianos> hi guys <mianos> i have breezy with kde <Hobbsee> darkrad: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop <mymayer> guys thank you for your support...iam going down to get it on <mianos> when i press and hold left mouse button- then want to select some items in konqueror/desktop it laggs <mianos> how cann i turn the blue translucent behavior off in kde? <evdvelde> Perhaps time to spice things up here :-) I was wondering why ubuntu does not have something like "Dapper - tested a little", like some other distros have <evdvelde> I'd like to have a distro with new software without to many critical problems (like e.g. Mandriva Cooker, ArkLinux Dockyard, ...) <robotgeek> evdvelde: breezy does have relatively new packages <robotgeek> sabdfl: really the sabdfl? <evdvelde> yes, for now <sabdfl> evdvelde: try dapper <evdvelde> but it will never include KDE 3.5 I heard <sabdfl> hey robotgeek <sabdfl> am trying out Konversation <sabdfl> nice <robotgeek> evdvelde: kvirc is very nice <evdvelde> Dapper is rather unstable I was told <robotgeek> sabdfl: kvirc is nice <sabdfl> evdvelde: it shouldn't be too bad, and it's a good way to learn <evdvelde> and I saw, because I tested on a separate machine and X let me down for a day <robotgeek> evdvelde: dapper is not recommended if you are too new. <mianos> can no one help? <sabdfl> #ubuntu-devel will generally be able to fix any bugs you find <sabdfl> and you really will be able to help make the release better if you participate and test it <evdvelde> i'm not new to linux + i'm a computer scientist, so i can fix some things <Hobbsee> hey sabdfl <robotgeek> mianos: sorry, i don't use kde as such <sabdfl> mianos: what's the problem? <evdvelde> but bot broken dependencies and segfaults in X :-) <sabdfl> evdvelde: i'm running dapper, and no problems so far <Hobbsee> getting the latest updates for dapper here <Hobbsee> should be fun lol <robotgeek> sabdfl: we built kvirc from the cvs a few days ago, very eyecandy and usable <jpatrick> Hobbsee: dist-upgrade wants to remove my KDE <robotgeek> the ones in the repos is pretty outdated <evdvelde> the Xorg problem of a few days ago was however inevitable if you updated at the wrong moment, for some hours X was partially uploaded to the archives but was installed by aptitude <Hobbsee> jpatrick: well, better not let it do that! it tried on mine a few days ago - taught me not to just hit "y" automatically! <jpatrick> Hobbsee: :) <evdvelde> that kind of jokes is not what i want on my system
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