#ubuntu+1 2007-06-01 <borschty_> ok, filed... <clever[rev] > if i install ubuntu 7.04 in a partition beside windows98 will grub automaticaly have a working option to boot 98 up? <borschty_> this is the channel for ubuntu 7.10 <Hobbsee> /topic <clever> and #ubuntu isnt answering... <clever> nvm <pwuertz> hey... any chance for a backport of qt 4.3 to feisty :) ? <crimsun> ... <RAOF> I'm thinking... unlikely :) <RAOF> From the new linux-source changelog: "Support gcc 5 properly". What? Since when has there been a gcc 5? <DanaG> Argh, my Gnome won't start. <DanaG> Is anybody else having issues with Gnome not logging in? <RAOF> I upgraded yesterday, and am not having any problems. <DanaG> ***MEMORY-WARNING***: gconftool-2[7866] : GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected; this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon... <DanaG> I get a helluvalot of THAT message. <DanaG> And hotkeys aren't working. <DanaG> alt-F4 gives ;3S <DanaG> Looks like my gconf schemas are borked .... how do I fix it? <DanaG> (gnome-mouse-properties:8122): capplet-common-WARNING **: Unable to find a default value for key for desktop/gnome/peripherals/mouse/motion_acceleration. I'll assume it is an integer, but that may break things. Please be sure that the associated schema is installed <DanaG> Aargh, nearly ALL of my gconf schemas are missing. <frandavid100> hiya <frandavid100> where can I find a gutsy daily build? <crdlb> frandavid100, unless things have changed in the last day or two, there aren't any <crdlb> the only way to use it is to upgrade from feisty <frandavid100> damn then <crdlb> hmm there seem to be iso's now <crdlb> no idea if they actually work <frandavid100> could you point me to them? <crdlb> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ <frandavid100> thanks crdlb ^^ <frandavid100> see you later guys <frandavid100> thanks for the help! <defcon> is there a new gdesklets for gutsy <defcon> i think gutsy=faster than feisty <spheard> Does anyone know if/when wireless networking with ndiswrapper is going to be fixed in 7.04? <ikonia> Is gusty aiming to use opencompositing ? <Tomcat_> spheard: 7.04 is in #ubuntu <Tomcat_> ikonia: No. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/?searchtext=opencompositing <ikonia> Tomcat_: there is no blueprint <ikonia> I assume it needs a blueprint to be on the roadmap for a release <Tomcat_> If it's a bigger thing, yes. <Tomcat_> If it's just a package/software without integration, it might be done by MOTU. <ikonia> I was curious with berly and compiz merging, opencompositing appears to be the merged product <ikonia> I assume ubuntu will be picking up the merged product at some point <Tomcat_> Mh... I don't know. The website doesn't look as professional as I would assume from beryl or compiz, and there's no definitive info... <ikonia> I agree <ikonia> check the topic in beryl though <ikonia> and your spot on there is no "here it is" style info <Enverex> Has anyone managed to build fglrx against kernel .22? <crimsun> Enverex: won't do much good unless a new version of fglrx is compatible with xorg-server 1.3. <Enverex> crimsun, It is <Enverex> 8.37 is XOrg 1.3 compat <theoros> gutsy gibbon? ahaha, that's awesome. first time i've heard of it's name <Enverex> I hate it but that's because most the names seem silly. That and people keep getting it wrong and saying "Gusty Gibbon" which is even worse <theoros> i thought Feisty Fawn was off the wall <theoros> i was obviously completely ignorant of the gibbon and all his gutsiness <r00tintheb0x> lol@gibbon and all his gutsiness <Enverex> Feisty Fawn sounds very peadophilic <theoros> aaha <theoros> who comes up with these names, exactly? <Enverex> Mental patients <theoros> is there just a small room full of smoke, where weird, old, balding men sit around swapping anecdotes until someone gets inspired? <spheard> I want to know who came up with iceweasel <gnomefreak> spheard: ask in either #ubuntu-offtopic or #debian <bSON> do others than me have problems to run compiz on gutsy with the open-source r300 drivers? <ToHellWithGA> bSON: what problems, specifically? <bSON> for me starting compiz always crashes the whole x server <ToHellWithGA> that, sir, is a problem <ToHellWithGA> i have occasional black screens where things won't resume from screensaver or switching back from a tty <bSON> ToHellWithGA: do you know what could be the problem? <ToHellWithGA> i do not know <ToHellWithGA> bSON: do you get the same behavior with beryl? <crdlb> compiz = beryl <bSON> i haven't tried beryl yet <bSON> one sec <ToHellWithGA> crdlb: have they merged? <bSON> not yet, but they are working on it <DanaG> I fixed my gconf. <bSON> ToHellWithGA: which options do you pass to compiz? <ToHellWithGA> bSON: i'd expect beryl and/or compiz to crash badly if compositing/XGL/AIGLX wasn't enabled <ToHellWithGA> bSON: the only compiz i used was the default "desktop effects" part of the ubuntu-desktop meta-package * bSON looks into the X.org log <ToHellWithGA> i think the direct rendering thing "DRI" has to be on for all those goodies to work <ToHellWithGA> if your drivers support it and it's on, i dunno where to look from there <ToHellWithGA> the #beryl or #compiz or what-have-you guys should be good at troubleshooting that kind of thing <DanaG> Some preferences are still missing, however. <DanaG> find /usr/share/gconf/schemas/ -exec gconftool --install-schema-file {} \; <DanaG> that's how I reimported all the schemas. <bSON> ToHellWithGA: ok, thanks <DanaG> Now if only I could fix sleep.... <ikonia> What is the current kernel release on gusty development ? <LjL> !info linux-generic gutsy | ikonia <ubotu> ikonia: linux-generic: Complete Generic Linux kernel. In component restricted, is optional. Version 156.14.161.142.4 (gutsy), package size 23 kB, installed size 52 kB <ikonia> ahh 22 ok <ikonia> excellent <ikonia> thank you <ikonia> worth a try <ikonia> !download <ubotu> Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive <ikonia> !development <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about development - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi <ikonia> rats <ompaul> !compile <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!) <ikonia> what are you compiling <ompaul> ikonia, next step from !development <ompaul> :) <ikonia> ha ha ha <ikonia> I submitted a patch to .21 which is supposed ot fix a libata issue, which I thought it did, but apprantly it doesn't, someone has told me that they fixed my fix properly in 22 <ikonia> so worth a try <ikonia> so far gusty is the only distro using it <finalbeta> I hope they do fix the libata issues, I can't boot with my CD drive in my laptop. <ikonia> which one <ikonia> there are plenty of libata issues <ikonia> more so after the chance <finalbeta> Ah, probably not that one then. <ikonia> I don't think they have fixed the one I thought I'd fixed, but actually looks like I've broke <joeamined> i think hardware support is the most important thing to improve <finalbeta> I reported it back when Feisty was in beta. <ikonia> joeamined: hardware support is excellent <joeamined> ikonia , no it isn't <finalbeta> I can't understand that large regressions like this are excepted. <ikonia> joeamined: I guess we'll have to disagree on that, I find it good and growing <finalbeta> I work in a PC store. Dapper booted on 80% of the intel laptops at the time, Feisty booted on 10% <ikonia> ahh you mean support against legacy kit with the new libata devices <finalbeta> Even old laptops, Dell insprirons, business models, feisty doesn't boot aymore <finalbeta> ikonia: even new laptops, dapper has a better change of booting <joeamined> yes it's good but not excellent. some graphic cards and other material don't work well <ikonia> ok, I see what your saying <ikonia> joeamined: ati and sis are the only real graphics cards problems and thats nothing to do with linux <ikonia> are there any early gusy builds or is it still a case of install fesity and change apt to point at gusty repos <limetang> Is there a program which will sync audio in avi files? <ikonia> I think thats done at compression time <DanaG> Odd, Gnome took a full minute to log in. <DanaG> It just sat there for roughly 60 seconds, <phin> hi <phin> what is the ubuntu eyecandy channel again? <jussi01> #ubuntu-effects ? <jussi01> phin: ^^ <Enverex> Has anyone got fglrx working with .22? <parag0n__> where can people post ideas and suggestions for gutsy? <parag0n__> i'm thinking it'd be nice if there was an option to mount an iso image as a virtual drive built in #ubuntu+1 2007-06-02 <defcon> parag0n__, <defcon> sick idea <defcon> try launchpad <bibbybob> anyone have any oscon discount codes? <bluefoxicy> How is ubuntu+1 running at the moment? Anything horribly broken? <DanaG> My gconf broke, and my kcontrol is empty, but it may be just me. <bluefoxicy> I don't mind a knock here and there but I'm not upgrading if X isn't going to work for the rest of the week ;) <bluefoxicy> hmn. <DanaG> I fixed gconf, but Gnome still takes nearly a minute to log in. <bluefoxicy> gconf broke, you mean it dropped all your settings? mine does that a lot anyway, it's an unstable crap heap >/ * bluefoxicy is already on the .22 kernel. Toys with the idea of upgrading everything now.. it's firefox 3.0 that's holding him back, he's not sure he wants to jump into an unstable distro he can't downgrade from <crimsun> then just run gutsy in a chroot <scotth> hello all, how is gutsy doing? Any major breakage? <scotth> I'm getting that itch and looking for a reason not to upgrade <Dana1> Odd, my gnome takes about 60 seconds to log in. <Dana1> And it's stalled without any hard drive activity. <AnRkey> DanaG, do you mount any SMB or NFS shares at boot time? <AnRkey> I had slow logins when I added mount commands to my login session <AnRkey> the problem was that some of the share where not available <DanaG> Nope. <DanaG> Before, my gconf was completely broken; I had to do this: <DanaG> find /usr/share/gconf/schemas/ -exec gconftool --install-schema-file {} \; <DanaG> Nearly 100% of the schemas were missing in my .gconf. <DanaG> odd: Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setg <DanaG> id. <DanaG> How do I find out WHAT was trying to do that? It's not a very helpful message. <DanaG> ***MEMORY-WARNING***: gconf-sanity-check-2[6534] : GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected; this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon... <DanaG> and this: DCOPClient33ec:265c:71fe:e26d:2682:4ec2:aaa1:99abttachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socket <Hobbsee> you're not running KDE, which is why DCOP would be failing, iirc. <DanaG> aah, well, that explains at least that part. <scotth> anyone? reason not to go gutsy? <DanaG> But I am getting a helluvalot of those glib memory warnings. <DanaG> Aagh, kcontrol is still empty. <Hobbsee> system settings is still borken too <DanaG> hmm, interesting Gaim/Pidgin plugin: execute commands and send the output. <DanaG> Linux m685 2.6.22-5-generic #1 SMP Sat May 19 01:01:22 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux <DanaG> (that was "!uname -a") <DanaG> but be wary of paste-ey-ness. <DanaG> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.14rc4 (Wed May 16 09:45:46 2007 UTC). <DanaG> that was !cat /proc/asound/version <scotth> that looks pretty sweet <scotth> useful for debug, though you would have to be careful of flood <DanaG> Yeah, I kicked myself by messaging nickserv (and then myself) with !help <DanaG> GNU bash, version 3.2.17(1)-release (i486-pc-linux-gnu) <DanaG> These shell commands are defined internally. Type `help' to see this list. ..... and so on. <DanaG> ooh: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/KDesktop+Menu?content=22605 <DanaG> nVidia Geforce Go 7600 <DanaG> => GPU temperature: 52C <scotth> DanaG: your having fun with that plugin <DanaG> Oh, and I'm at a hotel that offers "free high-speed internet!" -- but is 64 kilobytes per second really high speed, especially when it repeatedly drops out? I think not. <Hobbsee> must be in NZ. <DanaG> Nope, Long Beach. <DanaG> Holiday Inn. <crimsun> yes it's high speed. <crimsun> I'm on a 56kbps dialup. <Hobbsee> for people like crimsun, yeah it would be <jeremyb> weird that they actually have their own netblock allocated <DanaG> yay-ness. :| http://guest.ichotelsgroup.com/dining_options/default.aspx <DanaG> Oh, now it's 30 kB/sec. <DanaG> Oh yeah, and with the new 2.6.22-5 kernel, I get a freeze on resume, rather than on suspend as on -4. <crimsun> you've been outdated for ages <DanaG> Oh, perhaps mirrors.kernel.org is behind.... time to change back to us.archive.ubuntu.com, then. <Hobbsee> DanaG: s/us.// <DanaG> Oh heck, I have those enabled too. http://san1.csc.calpoly.edu/ubuntu http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/ <crimsun> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1754552 2007-05-29 12:06 vmlinuz-2.6.22-6-generic <crimsun> been running -6- since the 29th. <Hobbsee> it's annoying that they're not updating the metapackage <DanaG> Wow. <crimsun> heh, even I'm outdated. <DanaG> It's especially annoying when a bunch of packages decide they're new, so I lose the REAL new packages among those. <crimsun> I'm only on 6.12 <DanaG> Linux m685 2.6.22-5-generic #1 SMP Sat May 19 01:01:22 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux <DanaG> yay, plugin. <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ madison vmlinuz-2.6.22-6-generic <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ <Hobbsee> crimsun: is that only in git somewhere? <DanaG> http://www.kalpiknigam.com/blog/2007/05/12/install-pidgin-200-on-ubuntu-feisty-with-all-plugins/ <Hobbsee> a.u.c doesnt seem to know about it <DanaG> That's where I got the plugins. Caution: some plugins make Gaim crash. <DanaG> s/Gaim/Pidgin/ <DanaG> In Windows, I got so used to hitting <start>-<g> for pinned Gaim, that I renamed Pidgin to * Hobbsee notes that bugs reported by you may now not be due to pidgin, but the plugins <DanaG> "Gaah, Pidgin stole my P!" <crimsun> Hobbsee: LP. * DanaG now won't report bugs on Pidgin. <crimsun> I tend to not wait for binary NEW <Hobbsee> crimsun: sorry? <Hobbsee> crimsun: ahhh <r00tintheb0x> heh <Hobbsee> point <crimsun> exploit the LP bug. <Hobbsee> yep, yep * DanaG is curious what tpm-tools will be useful for. * DanaG just noticed he got lost by the last few lines of conversation. <DanaG> s/by/in/ <Hobbsee> crimsun: that does require finding all the relevant binaries, though * DanaG doesn't see a -6 <Hobbsee> DanaG: yes, it hasnt gone thru to the archives yet * DanaG noticed: iTCO_wdt isn't blacklisted, perhaps due to its odd capitalization. <DanaG> I also wonder why Linux sees the device, yet Windows doesn't. <DanaG> modinfo iTCO_wdt | head -n 5 | tail -n 1 gives <DanaG> description: Intel TCO WatchDog Timer Driver <crimsun> Hobbsee: true, though it's just due diligence under the Resulting Binaries dropdown <crimsun> Linux Box 2.6.22-6-generic #1 SMP Fri Jun 1 19:24:12 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux <Hobbsee> crimsun: point. anything of great interest in there? <DanaG> Oh yeah, I like to see changelogs before updating. <DanaG> In about two weeks, I'll have more time to deal with bug reports: kernel oops on toggle capture on A2 ZS Notebook. <crimsun> Hobbsee: some more stuff for power saving <Hobbsee> neat :) <crimsun> and the usual boatload of fixes pulled in from 22-rc3 <DanaG> Oh, I google for i8042 interrupts, I get OLPC mailing list. <crimsun> gutsy is definitely a bit eccentric momentarily. <Hobbsee> hehe <DanaG> When I first went to dist-upgrade, I set sources.list to "gusty" -- and then thought, "WTF, 404?" <crimsun> the flatulent Ubuntu devel branch! <DanaG> It seems similar to Breezy. <DanaG> ooh, lshw-gtk is useful. * DanaG wonders where the name "yenta" came from. <DanaG> At least it's better than Yoni, er, Yonah. <DanaG> (deliberate "slip") <DanaG> bad idea: /exec yes <DanaG> with that plugin. <Hobbsee> crimsun: darn you. now grabbing the relevant binaries <Hobbsee> crimsun: bah. l-r-m is in depwait. <DanaG> Now I had to rm that log <crimsun> silly Hobbsee :-) <r00tintheb0x> Anyone got any "hard" problems they want to throw @ me, please feel free to do so. <Hobbsee> heh * DanaG throws a rubber brick <crimsun> r00tintheb0x: seriously? <Hobbsee> crimsun: dont even think of giving him ALSA. <crimsun> no, I'll give one that makes ALSA pale. <Hobbsee> oh? <netham45> hry <netham45> hey* <netham45> the link to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule in the topic doesn't work. <netham45> at least not for me. <crimsun> netham45: yeah, your route sucks or something. <crimsun> no offense intended. <netham45> yea <netham45> I know what that means <netham45> wait <netham45> if I turn https into http, it works <DanaG> http://www.theperfectgift.org.uk/ * DanaG had Charter be broken a while ago. <netham45> is there a beta of Gutsy out? <DanaG> The route to login.oscar.aol.com was broken. <crdlb> not even an alpha <DanaG> thank goodness for Gaim on an ssh server. <netham45> ok <netham45> j/w <netham45> Feisty came out like a month ago <netham45> so yea * Hobbsee ponders if there's anything she wants ot get in before main freeze <DanaG> Hmm, I want a qt-gtk engine, or at the very least, a human-ubuntulooks QT theme. <Hobbsee> gtk-qt-engines exists <DanaG> Oh, and I don't get why everything is orange, and then the metacity theme is brownish. <DanaG> I want either all orange, or all brown. <Hobbsee> change it/ <Hobbsee> or cant you do that with gnome? <DanaG> It's not quite the same. <Hobbsee> silly gnome. <DanaG> I mean, it doesn't feel the same. <crimsun> I skip the mess and use the Ubuntu Studio 7.04 default theme. <defcon> gnome better than kde? <DanaG> debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Dialog <DanaG> debconf: (Dialog frontend will not work on a dumb terminal, an emacs shell buffer, or without a controlling terminal.) <DanaG> debconf: falling back to frontend: Readline <defcon> i see that kcontrol doesnt work in gutsy <defcon> any work around known <scotth> defcon: try them both and descide for yourself, both are good enough and both have their own strengths <defcon> scotth, what do you use, and why? <defcon> i like both as well, cant decide <defcon> hehe <DanaG> Look in Lost and Found. <scotth> I use gnome, I tried using kde but it took too much of my time to tell it things I think gnome figures out for itself * DanaG uses Gnome because KDE feels bulky. <DanaG> Note that bulky != bloaty. <scotth> yeah, that too, but my friend keeps telling me that has changed since I last used it <DanaG> http://ctho.ath.cx/tmp/moz/326877evil2.xul <DanaG> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=259240 <defcon> scotth, I agree with u :) <defcon> kde=too bloated and slow, and takes too much time <scotth> my general rule of thumb is that a computer shouldn't ask me about stuff that it can guess at and get correct 90% of the time <DanaG> Actually, for me, Gnome takes 60 seconds of sitting there doing nothing, before finally opening. <scotth> well desktop, I like it when servers ask me questions <DanaG> Oh, and KBFX says my KDE menu system is broken. <scotth> DanaG: that sounds like something is broken <crimsun> I normally find all desktop environments' performance equally sluggish <scotth> crimsun: core 2 duo... I don't have that problem :-D <DanaG> Yonah 1.83GHz here. <crimsun> doesn't matter what CPU(s) you have <crimsun> the complexity and poor coding practices scale up with hardware power. * DanaG bottlenecks on the hard drive. <DanaG> 80GB 5400RPM. :( <scotth> going from an 800mhz ibookg4 to my current system really gave me a nice boost <crimsun> I'm sure you can find some configuration that will bring your current hardware to its knees. <defcon> anyone have problems with gdesklets and gutsy? <scotth> yeah, its called evolution <scotth> I wish gnome had something like epiphany for email, maybe based on tinymail <crimsun> evolution seems to work well as long as my trash folder is smaller than one million email entries. <scotth> subscribed to a lot of mailing lists? <crimsun> a few <crimsun> I just get a crapload of emails via clients, students, colleagues, etc. <scotth> ahh, I have thunderbird set to clear the trash on exit <tritium> evolution works poorly with exchange, in my experience <scotth> and groupwise in my experience <crimsun> you should use Outlook Web ! * crimsun cackles * DanaG wonders what "trousers" is for (I know it's TPM-related, but that's all I know). <DanaG> Oh, and the daemon won't start. <tritium> Outlook Web! Are you insane? <scotth> DanaG: you have to have a tpm in your system <scotth> I believe <scotth> its for the trusted computing crap, drm and such <scotth> I hear its useful for any time you have to deal with other peoples records, i.e medical, financial <DanaG> I have a TPM chip, but I have yet to find anything to do with it. <scotth> ahh, well youve passed where I'm useful <r00tintheb0x> Anyone with advanced problems that no one else can seem to solve... please don't hesitate to contact me. If i don't answer right away, thats because im in #guruhelp. :D * DanaG wonders if he can use TPM for ssh authentication. <DanaG> s/he can use/there's any point to using/ <scotth> probably not <scotth> I don't think it was meant for that kinda thing <DanaG> http://trousers.sourceforge.net/tpm_keyring2/quickstart.html <DanaG> hmm. <llol> anyone here <llol> ? <ajmorris_> anyone else experiencing slow application loading time after installing the current gutsy updates? <lemonade> ajmorris_: i'm experiencing lots of dm-linear errors in my log <lemonade> ajmorris_: and it causes software load and work slowly on my computer <ajmorris_> that would be what it is <ajmorris_> which log you talking about? <lemonade> dmesg <ajmorris_> kk <lemonade> it's a filed bug and fix is on way <ajmorris_> ah <ajmorris_> good good <ajmorris_> :) <ajmorris_> anyone got the smb shares working in gutsy? <ajmorris_> when i click share, it doesn't actually share it <ajmorris_> has anyone successfully got SMB sharing working? <ajmorris_> when i share a folder, it doesn't actually share <gnomefreak> ajmorris_: did you try filing a bug? <ajmorris_> not yeat <ajmorris_> *yet <gnomefreak> ajmorris_: always start with filing a bug (as first line of support with devel versions) <ajmorris_> wanted to make sure i wasnt the only one first <gnomefreak> ajmorris_: only one in this channel doesnt mean you are only one. but iirc i havent seen that issue yet <ajmorris_> kk <ajmorris_> tks <jovans> is there no legacy kernel in gutsy repo? <so1> hi <so1> is there already a date when the new fglrx driver will be uploaded? <so1> it finally supports xserver 1.3 <Hobbsee> i suspect "when it's uploaded" <so1> :-) <so1> do you suspect a specific date for that? :-) <Hobbsee> nope <Hobbsee> "when i'ts done" <so1> ok ... <so1> who does it? <Hobbsee> i'm not sure <Hobbsee> whoever's interested in X, i guess <h3sp4wn> Does the current gutsy kernel have mac80211 (for ralink ?) <h3sp4wn> Infact that was a silly question I know it has the stack - but not which drivers it has working with that stack <Pathum> Can anyone help me with Kopete? <Pathum> Can anyone help me with Kopete? <Hobbsee> what about it? <eddyMul> not sure if I should ask this here.... <Pathum> Well i don't know how to get the Yahoo rooms list <eddyMul> but, is there a way for me to install a gutsy package in feisty? <Hobbsee> eddyMul: depends what it is <eddyMul> Hobbsee: python-django <eddyMul> (no, not glibc... ) :) <Hobbsee> eddyMul: you can try. usually not recommended. it may just install for you, else you'd need to rebuild it, and anything else it depends on in gutsy, that isnt in feisty <eddyMul> Hobbsee: I understand that it's not recommended... <Hobbsee> Pathum: no idea if that's supported in kopete. i thought that was a web thing, actually <eddyMul> but how can I do it? (I'm a n00b to Ubuntu). Do I just pull the .deb file and double-click it? <Hobbsee> yes... <Hobbsee> that's what you can try first <eddyMul> Hobbsee: so, I just pull the orig and the diff tarballs, and try do build away. is that it? <Pathum> k <eddyMul> Hobbsee: (yesterday, I was running Gentoo....) * Hobbsee == sleepy * Hobbsee --> bed. <Hobbsee> eddyMul: grab gutsy source, dpkg-buildpackage -b inside the source dir <Hobbsee> but you may be able to just install it, without messing with dependancies <Pathum> I need help.....pls <eddyMul> Hobbsee: I will try it. thanx <Pathum> Hobbsee, i need to get the Yahoo rooms list in Kopete <eddyMul> Hobbsee: from packages.ubuntu.org, the dep-s are similar. so it will probably work. <eddyMul> thanx, Hobbsee (and sweet dreams) <DanaG> Unable to attach to mixer dmix: No such file or directory <DanaG> in running pulseaudio. <DanaG> ALSA lib control.c:910: (snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL dmix <DanaG> Linux m685 2.6.22-5-generic #1 SMP Sat May 19 01:01:22 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux <OzZY85> I am trying to install Feisty AMD x64, and when i try to boot it, it gets stuck on configuring network interfaces <OzZY85> any suggestions <DanaG> Wait for it to time out after 60 seconds, perhaps. <DanaG> Unless it's been longer that; in that case, something else will be the issue. <OzZY85> i tried pressing Ctrl-C <DanaG> You can try booting again without "quiet splash" in boot options. <DanaG> Though this channel is for Gutsy. #ubuntu+1 2007-06-03 <siimo> hi any gutsy users here? :P * borschty uses gutsy <siimo> you gotta be gutsy to use gutsy <borschty> ;) <borschty> just got nothing better to do ;) <siimo> heheh <DanaG> wpa_supplicant(7865): Authentication with 00:00:00:00:00:00 timed out. <DanaG> It's an open AP. <crimsun> I'm not sure why you pasted that <crimsun> are you implying there's a problem with wpasupplicant? with your wifi driver (Linux)? with network-manager? with your open AP? <DanaG> Oh, now it's working. <DanaG> I'm at a hotel, and apparently their AP is really unreliable. <DanaG> Yay, 10 kiloBYTES per second. <bluefoxicy> meh <bluefoxicy> when i enable desktop effects in Feisty, the window title bars vanish (bye bye window manager) * bluefoxicy wonders if this affects gutsy too... * bluefoxicy tries stuff. <DanaG> nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals <crimsun> gavinbaker: you'll need to install gutsy's kernel to test <gavinbaker> :-/ is it going to break other things? <crimsun> it could. <crimsun> the alternative is to have you compile alsa-kernel + alsa-driver hg. <crimsun> either way, you're going to have to do some work. <gavinbaker> that's reassuring :( <crimsun> that's the way HDA development works <crimsun> I just spent a couple hours working out a one-line fix for someone else's new X-Fi Extreme Audio <crimsun> there's no way things will always go smoothly, because new hardware will always be unsupported at some point <gavinbaker> there seem to be many, many others with the same hardware <gavinbaker> from all the forum posts + bugs <crimsun> yeah, well, all you see is the complaints. You don't see the time we're putting in. Not that I mean to sound bitter. <gavinbaker> i'm sure it's not the most fun thing in the world <gavinbaker> but you think that getting the new kernel will clear things up? <crimsun> no, I don't know that for certain. <crimsun> choose one of the routes, and I can get you up to speed. <gavinbaker> well, let's give gutsy's kernel a shot. <gavinbaker> what's the worst that can happen, right? ;) <crimsun> to be honest, you stand a better chance of sound working with hg. <gavinbaker> well, maybe we should do that, then <crimsun> and there's a lower likelihood that other things will break, since the update will be restricted to sound/ <crimsun> ok, the first thing you need to do is install build-essential, linux-headers-$(uname -r), automake1.7, autoconf, libtool, and mercurial <crimsun> afterward, you need to execute the following commands: hg clone http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa-kernel alsa-kernel && hg clone http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa-driver alsa-driver <gavinbaker> feisty repositories ok? <crimsun> afterward, you need to execute the following commands _inside the alsa-driver directory_: ./hgcompile --with-cards=hda-intel --with-oss=yes --with-sequencer=yes --with-kernel=/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build && make && sudo make install-modules <crimsun> gavinbaker: yes, feisty repo is fine. <crimsun> afterward, make sure you remove any lines you've added to /etc/modprobe.d/* regarding snd-hda-intel (particularly ones specifying model=) <crimsun> after that, you should reboot. <gavinbaker> ok, everything installed. executing hg commands <gavinbaker> crimsun: hg commands executed. where should i run ./hgcompile, etc.? <gavinbaker> p.s. crimsun: thanks in advance <crimsun> gavinbaker: I've given you the directions that you need. <crimsun> 22:41 < crimsun> afterward, you need to execute the following commands _inside the alsa-driver directory_: ./hgcompile --wi[..] <gavinbaker> right. pretend for a moment i don't know where the alsa-driver directory is... <crimsun> it's below your $(pwd) <crimsun> i.e., in ./alsa-driver/ <gavinbaker> ah, there it is. thanks <gavinbaker> crimsun: commands executed. i commented out the line added to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base setting model=. restarting * gavinbaker crosses fingers <crimsun> so many people just want stuff to magically work </sigh> <gavinbaker> crimsun: i got the bongo roll at startup, so that's a good sign :) <gavinbaker> output from laptop speakers still work. testing headphones <gavinbaker> ah. so sad. nothing :( <gavinbaker> thanks anyway <crimsun> boot with them plugged in <crimsun> and make sure you've adjusted the mixer controls... <gavinbaker> yeah, i just thought to check that <gavinbaker> no problems with mixer <gavinbaker> booting <gavinbaker> crimsun: booted with phones plugged in. (phones work.) mixers are ok. no output from phones <gavinbaker> eh, it was a good try :) <crimsun> gavinbaker: ok <crimsun> gavinbaker: and this is _without_ model= specified, correct? <gavinbaker> crimsun, right, i commented that out <gavinbaker> so i guess, from that perspective, the new version is superior, because it finds the right model automagically <gavinbaker> but jack out still produces no sound <crimsun> rerun the script, please. <gavinbaker> i could test whether sound now works upon resume from hibernate <crimsun> don't mean to sound rude, but that's not my concern ATM <crimsun> I'd much rather dig the pins that need to be tweaked for HP out if that's in fact not a bios issue <crimsun> gavinbaker: any progress on that rerunning that alsa-info.sh script? <crimsun> right, grammar shot after midnight. <gavinbaker> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/532456 <gavinbaker> brb <crimsun> well no wonder <crimsun> there's no indication of whether the jack sense is active <crimsun> and since it defaults to muted... <crimsun> gavinbaker: I need another pastebin of that script with the headphones plugged in (or unplugged - whatever the opposite of 532456) <DanaG> Hmm, in about two weeks, I'll deal with posting a report on the "kernel oops upon toggling capture". <crimsun> with feisty (2.6.20-16.28) or gutsy (2.6.22-6.13)? <gavinbaker> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/532561 -- with phones plugged in <crimsun> right, much as I suspected. <crimsun> no jack sense montgomeryrobert@example.net. <crimsun> what's the make & model of the machine? <gavinbaker> crimsun: Toshiba Satellite L35-S2171 <crimsun> gavinbaker: ok, close everything using sound - including the mixer applet in the top right panel - then: sudo modprobe -r snd_hda_intel && sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel model=lenovo <gavinbaker> done <crimsun> now, test with speakers and, separately, with headphones <gavinbaker> crimsun: speakers work <gavinbaker> headphones, no <gavinbaker> (alsamixer settings ok) <crimsun> ok, repeat with model=dallas <crimsun> (unload and reload) <gavinbaker> amarok won't play - xine says nope <crimsun> I have no idea what that means <crimsun> is ``aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav'' inaudible? <gavinbaker> ALSA lib confmisc.c:670:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0' <gavinbaker> ALSA lib conf.c:3500:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver returned error: No such device <gavinbaker> ALSA lib confmisc.c:391:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings <gavinbaker> ALSA lib conf.c:3500:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_concat returned error: No such device <gavinbaker> ALSA lib confmisc.c:1070:(snd_func_refer) error evaluating name <gavinbaker> ALSA lib conf.c:3500:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer returned error: No such device <gavinbaker> ALSA lib conf.c:3968:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such device <gavinbaker> ALSA lib pcm.c:2145:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default <gavinbaker> aplay: main:550: audio open error: No such device <crimsun> next time, please use pastebin instead of flooding the channel <crimsun> does your hardware have a spdif? <gavinbaker> i thought about that, but i decided against it. <gavinbaker> i don't know what a spdif is, so maybe? not? <crimsun> optical out <gavinbaker> no, i don't believe so <crimsun> it's usually marked as "SPDIF" on the sound card or in the area. <gavinbaker> yeah, i'm pretty sure it doesn't. <crimsun> ok, describe the jack layout <gavinbaker> on the front of the laptop, near where the lid opens, there are two jacks: one in, one out. there are no other inputs in the general vicinity <gavinbaker> i can account for all the jacks on the machine, except one in the back, oddly shaped and marked inscrutably with "F3" <gavinbaker> that's why i couldn't answer definitely either way. <crimsun> doesn't matter; it would have to be identically shaped to 1/8"ths <gavinbaker> wait, the "F3" is referring to something else. so it's just a totally inscrutable marking. i'm pretty sure it's not optical <crimsun> it's not. <tormod> hello, I have run debootstrap gutsy, and try to install the kernel. Unpacking of the kernel package fails with: Error setting debconf flags in linux-image-2.6.22-5-generic/preinst/bootloader-initrd-2.6.22-5-generic: linux-image-2.6.22-5-generic/preinst/bootloader-initrd-2.6.22-5-generic doesn't exist at /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst line 205, <STDIN> line 3. <tormod> Anyone seen this? I am missing something, something else I must install first? <_4strO> yop <tormod> ok, turns out linux-image-generic is not up to date. Manually installing linux-image-2.6.22-6-generic works better, but this one fails when configuring... <tormod> with this: Undefined subroutine &main33ec:265c:71fe:e26d:2682:4ec2:aaa1:99abget called at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.22-6-generic.postinst line 576. <tormod> reopened bug #112126 for this... <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112126 in linux-source-2.6.22 "pre-removal script failed" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112126 <Enverex> Is there any way to get RT2500 cards working with Gutsy at all? <gnomefreak> Enverex: more than likely not yet <Enverex> What throws me off is that they say it's included in the .22 kernel now... but if that was true then surely it would have its modules loaded automatically <Enverex> (it being the monkey website) <borschty> some modules are disabled in some kernel builds since they cause them to fail <tormod> Enverex: did you install linux-ubuntu-modules? <Enverex> Yeah <tormod> Enverex: 2.6.22-6 ? <Enverex> -5 (haven't been using that machine since) <Enverex> 2.6.22-5-9 seems to be the latest in the repos <Enverex> Where did -6 come from? <tormod> Enverex: get the deb from launchpad <gnomefreak> -6 was rejected <gnomefreak> give thema few more days/week before you see -6 <tormod> gnomefreak: I am using l-u-m -6 <gnomefreak> tormod: but not the kernel <tormod> gnomefreak: I am running kernel -6-13 <gnomefreak> tormod: not from repos <gnomefreak> tormod: using git? <tormod> gnomefreak: apt-get install. But "linux-image-generic" is not up to date. <Enverex> Wont modules not load if you have a mismatch of versions like that? <gnomefreak> tormod: -6 was rejected yesterday as of about 4 hours there was no -6 in repos at all <Hobbsee> meh. just wait a day <Hobbsee> you guys are impatient... <tormod> gnomefreak: I just did apt-get install linux-image-2.6.22-6-generic a few hours ago. <Enverex> Hobbsee, Having no rt2500 at all indefinately is kinda sucky <gnomefreak> Enverex: nothing is projected to work until release <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: you have link to NEW? <Enverex> gnomefreak, It was screwy in Feisty too so 7.10 has a better chance, heh * gnomefreak has it on my gutsy disk not feisty <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue?batch=500 <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: ty <lemonade> bcm43xx works nicely with gutsy <lemonade> it was pain in ass with feisty and before <gnomefreak> generic was pushed none of the others were. they are still in rejected <tormod> Enverex: you need a -6 kernel and a -6 l-u-m, then there's no version mismatch. <gnomefreak> they were just put up within last 3 or so minutes :) <limetang> What were? <tormod> gnomefreak: the powerpc yes. The generic has been there a long time. <gnomefreak> tormod: thats what i said above <Enverex> tormod, I'm not seeing it in Synaptic <gnomefreak> tormod: and ppc ia64 and 64 were just pushed to new. 386 still hasnt gona anywhere <gnomefreak> Enverex: you may not for a while depending what mirror your using <Enverex> hrm, aspell just kicked out errors repeatedly <Enverex> Also what's with the MEMORY-WARNING GSlice warnings that sound worrying? <limetang> My DVD drive (Lite-On DVDRW SHW-160P65) is unable to read some DVDs - it just makes a weird noise repeatedly. It works fine on WIndows. <limetang> When I did hdparm -v -i /dev/hdc, I got this error (along with the usual information): HDIO_GETGEO failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device <Enverex> I'm supprised ia32-libs is still broken after a few weeks too <Hobbsee> why? <Enverex> Which servers are normally the first to update or is it pretty much random? <Hobbsee> gb.archive.ubuntu.com <Hobbsee> which is also archive.ubuntu.com <Enverex> Hrm, that's the one I'm on anyway <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: thought it was uk. <Enverex> nO, IT'S GB <Enverex> damn caps <Enverex> Kernel image and headers are in but not modules yet <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: uk == gb <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: they are not differnet mirrors? <Hobbsee> however a.u.c != gb.a.u.c <Hobbsee> correct <gnomefreak> i have used both before <Enverex> Actually GB = England, Scotland, Wales. UK = GB + Northern Ireland. <Hobbsee> Enverex: i'd suggest you ping them <gnomefreak> different update intervals <Hobbsee> quite possibly <Hobbsee> well <Hobbsee> how? <Hobbsee> they're the same machine <Hobbsee> on the same address? <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i dont know. differetn ips <Enverex> Hobbsee, How does pinging them show which updates soonest? heh <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: same IP and hostname. <gnomefreak> PING archive.ubuntu.com +1-585-472-9035) 56(84) bytes of data. <gnomefreak> nomefreak@GutsyGibbons:~$ ping gb.archive.ubuntu.com <gnomefreak> PING gb.archive.ubuntu.com +1-585-472-9035) 56(84) bytes of data. <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ ping uk.archive.ubuntu.com <Hobbsee> PING uk.archive.ubuntu.com +1-585-472-9035) 56(84) bytes of data. <gnomefreak> +1-585-472-9035 <Hobbsee> ie, uk == gb, gb.a.u.c != a.u.c though <gnomefreak> than archive.ubuntu.com isnt using eitehr <Enverex> I was talking literally, heh <Hobbsee> i thougth they used to resolve to the same address. odd. <gnomefreak> im in US it should default to uk server <Hobbsee> maybe they changed it <Hobbsee> surely it should then default to the us server? <gnomefreak> nope * gnomefreak thankful for that too <gnomefreak> us servers cant stay up for more than a week at a time <gnomefreak> leningradskaya.canonical.com is what pinging archive.ubuntu.com gives me <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: apparently there are 2 machines that alternate for the a.u.c <gnomefreak> thats odd <Hobbsee> ping, cancel, ping, cancel, rinse and repeate <gnomefreak> it is defaulting to us <gnomefreak> when did this change <MmikeMRMA> I have problem with booting gutsy in vmware6... After i type 'live' and press enter splash screen shows up, and after 5-10 seconds I'm in busybox... is there a way to boot without splash screen, so I could se what might went wrong? <MmikeMRMA> btw, live-expert is nonexistant kernel image (although it's suggested) <Tomcat_> MmikeMRMA: Why do you run gutsy if you don't know how to disable the splash? :) <MmikeMRMA> Tomcat_, so you don't either how to disable the splash? :) <Tomcat_> MmikeMRMA: Usually by removing the "splash" line from kernel boot options... works for me. :P <MmikeMRMA> Tomcat_, yes, or adding verbose... but, how do I do that with livecd? There is no /boot/grub/menu.lst or something like that.... <Tomcat_> MmikeMRMA: Change the options live in grub, in the menu. <MmikeMRMA> Tomcat: when I boot gutsy from the .iso image there is no grub menu... <Tomcat_> I haven't seen gutsy yet, so in that case I don't know either. :) <Tomcat_> Older LiveCDs always had a menu. <MmikeMRMA> :) oh, well! :) <MmikeMRMA> so you DO have no clue! :) <Tomcat_> Well concerning your original question, I do... but not for the latest problem. :> <MmikeMRMA> well... bigger problem is that I don't have a clue too :) <MmikeMRMA> i typed 'live nosplash' or 'live verbose' but that has no effect <Tomcat_> Just "live" won't do? <MmikeMRMA> That begins booting with the splash screen... I can see the bar underneath ubuntu-logo, and after 5-10 seconds I'm in busybox... so I guess something happened, but because of the splash I can't see what... <MmikeMRMA> And I hate to shutdown this machine just to boot gutsy... Not even sure if I have blank CD around :) <thedeviantone> Can anyone assist me with compiling a kernel for SCSI controller support? <cowbud> anyone else have the problem of the gnome notification area not showing any icons? If so how did you fix it? <DanaG> odd, ninix-aya is not installable. <DanaG> depends on python-scipy and python-numpy; <DanaG> but those two packages have versioned conflicts. <DktrKranz> DanaG, could you please check if this has been reported in launchpad? <DktrKranz> if not, you may consider to file a new bug report <DktrKranz> using tag packaging <DanaG> Similar, but old, bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-f2py/+bug/66907 <ubotu> Launchpad bug 66907 in python-f2py "Cannot install python-f2py in edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] <DanaG> Tag packaging? <DktrKranz> DanaG, using tags helps in bugfixing <DktrKranz> marking bugs with "packaging" or "bitesize" tags focuses developers attention on them <DanaG> I'll do it later today; I should go back to doing my homework... <DktrKranz> np :) <DktrKranz> If you will ever encounter such issues, remember to use those tags <DktrKranz> it is much easier for MOTUs and contributors to fix them :) #ubuntu+1 2007-06-04 <DanaG> What's with all the 0x0f? <RAOF> Note to self: When renaming LVM volumes, fstab is *not* the only place you need to change :) <AnRkey> can anyone tell me why Ubuntu uses dash instead of bash <RAOF> Because it's substantially faster. <RAOF> And anything which has a #!/bin/sh shebang line *should* run in dash as well as bash. <RAOF> Otherwise the script-writer is lying. <DanaG> Once I ran into an issue of dash not expanding wildcards: {} * <DanaG> A commandline: cp *.{c,h} <DanaG> looked for a file literally named *.{c,h}, or rather \*.\{c\,h\} (or something like that) <RAOF> Woah, cool. <DanaG> It was under Make, and the failing command was cp. <crimsun> DanaG: that's not an "issue of dash" - that's a bashism. <crimsun> i.e., it's a bug that should be fixed either by explicitly using /bin/bash after the hash-bang, or by removing the {}s. <Enverex> No scripts I've ever found work in Dash, first thing I do when I get Ubuntu is switch it back to bash <crimsun> that's because people tend to be sloppy script writers. <crimsun> that's definitely not a dash issue; that's a lazy-human issue. <Enverex> VirtualBox, ATi drivers and I think the nVidia drivers too <DanaG> aah. <DanaG> But if you select "no" to using dpkg-reconfigure dash, what does it use? Bash, or something else? * DanaG wonders if booting will be any faster with dash than with the other option. <crimsun> dash is used for 1) faster boot, 2) testing shell script compliance <crimsun> the former is obviously (and trivially) more important <crimsun> zsh tends to be the "heaviest" in terms of memory footprint, but I find it hugely time-productive as a user shell. <crimsun> of course YMMV <RAOF> I should really learn zsh. It seems awesome. <crimsun> it's sick what you can do with it <RAOF> I've watched jml do something like "grep foo **/*.py". That's usefull :) <DanaG> what is **? <RAOF> I think it's "all subdirectories of this one" <crimsun> it's easier to simply pass -r to grep <RAOF> Yeah, the though did just occur to me <DanaG> hmm, http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7510 <Ashbringer> Hello, can I compile the kernel I fetch from git with the methods that I'd use to compile linux-source? I've tried a few times and it exits on a cryptic error. <Ashbringer> **make-kpkg exits, that is <crimsun> no, use the source package method. <crimsun> debian/rules. Read it. <Ashbringer> Okay <Ashbringer> will that fix the compilation errors in ubuntu/ms/memstick.c? <crimsun> what? <crimsun> I need more details. That's a contextless question. <Ashbringer> If I use that method, will ubuntu/ms/memstick.c not have a few pages of errors? <crimsun> I need to see the actual errors. <crimsun> We can't read minds here. :-) <Ashbringer> well <Ashbringer> I have probably between fifty to a hundred "derefrencing pointer to incomplete type" <RAOF> crimsun: You don't have a psychic pony? Give me your address, I'll post you one. <crimsun> RAOF: I'm still awaiting the pony that bddebian promised me... <Ashbringer> hold on, lemme pastebin <DanaG> Oh yeah, what exactly is softmac? <crimsun> you can google that. <Ashbringer> http://paste.uni.cc/16082 <Ashbringer> have fun with that <DanaG> Aah, not relevant for ipw3945. <Ashbringer> reactions? <Ashbringer> Also, what should I be reading in debian/rules? <RAOF> Ashbringer: My reaction is "memstick.h" should exist. I don't know why it doesn't, though. <Ashbringer> Yeah, I was thinking the same thing <RAOF> Maybe the git kernel doesn't actually build at the moment? <Ashbringer> That's very irritating. <Ashbringer> What exactly would account for the abrupt disappearance of that file? <DanaG> Oh, where was the how-to of alsa-hg? I don't want to recompile the kernel this time as I usually like to. <Ashbringer> So should this be posted to somewhere? <RAOF> That you can't build the kernel from git? I wouldn't think so. <Ashbringer> Sarcasm, or will people just know? <RAOF> Not sarcasm. I just don't really expect a non-released kernel to do anything good :) <Ashbringer> But it probably should <RAOF> Possibly one of the kernel team is hacking on stuff now? <Ashbringer> How would that account for a file not existing? <RAOF> If they're hacking on stuff by removing an ubuntu-specific patch? <Ashbringer> but it isn't a patch, its a file, and wouldn't they only push to the repo once they were done? <RAOF> Maybe. Maybe they thought they were done. Maybe it builds on their system. <Ashbringer> I kinda doubt it, the file isn't there and all of the implementation is based on it <RAOF> Maybe the implementation isn't built with their config? <RAOF> Why are you building from git anyway? <Ashbringer> I want the latest kernel <Ashbringer> While still being feisty <Hobbsee> twitch <Ashbringer> That, and I'm due for a recompile because I swapped out mobos and some of the buttons on my laptop now have lost functionality. I figure if a new kernel doesn't fix it, I should just send back the mobo. <RAOF> ... <Ashbringer> Don't *ever* buy HP. <DanaG> Note: you may have just been unlucky. <RAOF> Well... I'd try a non-git kernel before deciding that the *motherboard* is broken! <Ashbringer> No, I'm running on a binary from apt-get now <DanaG> I have a friend who has a MacBook, and has had to send it back 5 times for various issues. <Ashbringer> And I've tried kernels that I've compiled on my pre-mobo-swap lappy that have had the same issues. I'm starting to think it may in fact be the mobo again, but I just got this back and I'm not sure if I want to give it up for another two weeks. <DanaG> Hmm, try doing xev or showkey <Ashbringer> If I'm going to be compiliing a kernel, I want to compile a *new* kernel, not some outdated trash from apt. I've been doing this on and off all day, it may as well have a purpose. <Ashbringer> DanaG: the buttons in question are the screen brightness and two of the HP QuickLaunch buttons, they're not exactly standard <DanaG> Aah, well, brightness may be ACPI brightness. <DanaG> tail /var/log/acpid <DanaG> er, tail -f <Ashbringer> it says it completes everything <DanaG> Vista now mandates that manufacturers implement standard ACPI brightness controls. <Ashbringer> but my screen is still the same <DanaG> Do you see any "acpi video ...." lines? <Ashbringer> [Sun Jun 3 22:05:55 2007] completed event "video LCD 00000087 00000000" <Ashbringer> [Sun Jun 3 22:05:55 2007] received event "video LCD 00000087 00000000" <DanaG> So it IS getting the keys, then. <Ashbringer> Yeah, but the brightness is the same. Incidentally, nothing detects when I close the screen. <DanaG> hmm, try cat /proc/acpi/video/VGA/lcd/brightness <DanaG> or s/lcd/LCD/ or whatever is at that level. <Ashbringer> levels: 100 60 20 28 36 44 52 60 68 76 84 92 100 <Ashbringer> current: 0 <DanaG> And now there's backlight sysfs support ... /sys/class/backlight/ .... <DanaG> sudo -i to get a root shell, then echo -n some numbers to the brightness file. <DanaG> and look at what actual_brightness shows. <DanaG> Odd, my dmesg shows a bunch of "set_level status: 0" <DanaG> I'd think that debug statement would've been disabled. <Ashbringer> I'd rather not screw with it right now <Ashbringer> I have a feeling its a hardware issue <Ashbringer> (I don't have my keyboard until an "Nvidia boot agent" crashes and grub loads) <DanaG> nvidia boot agent? Oh, a SATA boot ROM. <DanaG> nForce. <Ashbringer> yup <RAOF> Hm. Does anyone else find that using pulseaudio totally breaks volume control? * DanaG no longer likes nvidia chipsets. <DanaG> s/no longer/dis/ <Hobbsee> DanaG: you ever did? <DanaG> I had an nForce2 board and liked the low CPU usage of the MCP-T (even though I used the analog, and I now realize that the analog sucked). <DanaG> But then I ran into driver issues. <RAOF> Anyone else use pulseaudio here? <RAOF> I just want to eliminate PEBCAK before filing a bug :) <DanaG> Make sure the Gnome mixer is set to the hardware device, not pulseaudio. <RAOF> DanaG: Yup, done so. <RAOF> Tried *all* possible mixers, and "alsamixer" <DanaG> Odd. <RAOF> The mute works, but not the volume. <DanaG> Setting up automake (1:1.10+nogfdl-1) ... <DanaG> Use of uninitialized value in string ne at /usr/sbin/update-alternatives line 602. <crimsun> ignore it <Paladine> anyone alive? <RAOF> Yeah. <Paladine> still having problems getting this nvidia module to load <Paladine> I can load it manually no problem, but it will not load automatically on boot <RAOF> You installed the nvidia.com drivers, right? <Paladine> yup <RAOF> And *don't* have linux-restricted-modules. <Paladine> nope <RAOF> And have run "sudo depmod -a" at some point in the last couple of reboots <Paladine> nope <RAOF> Maybe you should run that. It might be what's preventing the kernel from autoloading your module. Maybe. <Paladine> haven't come across that in any of the dozens of threads I have read on the issue <Paladine> I will give it a try <Paladine> brb <Paladine> that fixed it thanks ROAF <RAOF> Bwa ha ha! <RAOF> You should probably tell the nvidia guys to fix their installer, then. <Paladine> trust it to be something simple <Paladine> yeah they should have done that in the installer <Paladine> would that fix it without having to remove linux-restricted-modules <RAOF> Well, you could just add DISABLED_MODULES="nv" to
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