#ubuntu 2005-01-01 <Blackwell> Quest-Master: no linux distro beats debian as far as upgradability/updatability is concerned, as i keep hearing. <Quest-Master> Or Ubuntu. <ogra> Blackwell: ubuntu is debian...... <Pozac> Finkel is Einhorn <ogra> really 8) <Blackwell> ogra: so it would seem. but the same may apply to knoppix. however...the #debian folks seem to think that knoppix is not debian. i am afraid that ubuntu may spark the same level of not-welcomness. <Quest-Master> Yeah. <Quest-Master> #debian hates Knoppix to death. <Quest-Master> I don't know about Ubuntu though. <Blackwell> Quest-Master: ;) i guess ubuntu may not have appeared on their radar yet. <Quest-Master> But a lot of the Ubuntu developers are Debian developers as well. <Pozac> how can you hate ubuntu? <sjoerd> Quest-Master: a channels doesn't hate anything, maybe some people on the channel do <Blackwell> so, there aren't any major stray-aways in ubuntu in comparison to debian, are there? nothing that would make debian folks groan and roll their eyes at? <Quest-Master> Not really. <noob> hey guys, since there are more people on #debian, do you think i could ask if anyone has already re-create a boot record from the ubuntu install cd? <Blackwell> Quest-Master: excellent news, thank you. <ogra> Blackwell: the company behind ubuntu has some of the most imoportant debian devs employed....they make sure all changes go back to debian <Blackwell> noob: try. report the reaction please. ;) <Quest-Master> :) <noob> i shouldnt do that ? :) <mdke> noob, you can do it <Pozac> noob, yeah, the process is basically the same.. :) <Blackwell> ogra: ah, that sounds very good. :) <mdke> you can do whatever you like <noob> sorry , i dont know thats why i ask you first <noob> :P <mdke> this is a free network <ogra> Blackwell: ubuntu is synced quite often with sid before the release freeze <ogra> Blackwell: so in ubuntu unstable you get mostly debian sid with ubuntu-ongonig-changes <dagron> wtf? I can't get su.. su (enter) password: (password) and it won't work. this is far different from slackware. <dagron> :) <tha_gamemaster> sudo su <azta> dagron: ubuntu has copied off OSX <tha_gamemaster> root is disabled by default <Pitr> did you sign up for the slackware-rehab exam? <dagron> sudo su (enter) password ? <ogra> dagron: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo <tha_gamemaster> yes dagraon <dagron> great <azta> dagron: root has no password, so you can't login as root... <tha_gamemaster> dagron* <Pozac> unless you use webmin? <Pozac> or has that been fixed? :) <azta> dagron: after that you can "passwd" btw <tha_gamemaster> you just sudo su for root access , if you want a root account, type sudo passwd root and then enter a new password <dagron> dunno. just installed ubuntu last hour or so. <Pozac> sudo -s also works for a root shell <Marble2> hey <dagron> nice <tha_gamemaster> I'm trying to get some sort of nvidia hardware exceleration for my ubuntu imac <Marble2> I have beep-media-player installed, how do I run it so taht I don't have to keep the terminal window open <Marble2> for it to stay running <Pozac> add a & <azta> beep & disown <Pozac> or run it from the menu :) <Marble2> space or no? <Pozac> space <azta> Marble2: doesn't matter <Marble2> doesnt work <Marble2> still dies when I close the window <Marble2> can I use screen? <azta> beep&disown == beep & disown <Marble2> i'm a screen newbie <azta> Marble2: & disown <dagron> thanks dudes. now I have root :) <Marble2> kk <tha_gamemaster> np dagron ^+^ <ogra> dagron: you wont gain anything with it <azta> otherwise the shell just backgrounds it, and will kill it when it dies <Marble2> thanks azta <Marble2> worked <dagron> is everything different in ubuntu ? <azta> np <Pozac> no <azta> dagron: no <dagron> thought it would be kind of like slack <ogra> dagron: all gui tools require gksudo <tha_gamemaster> not everything, it's still linux <thenuke> ogra: like you could do anything what you want without root? <Pozac> dagron, it's very much debian :) <dagron> never used debian :S <ogra> thenuke: that as well ;) <dagron> im a slack fanatic <dagron> ;) <Pozac> dagron, this is the nicest debian experience I have ever tried :) * azta welcomes dagron to dpkg/apt <dagron> yes ubuntu is nice. * ogra welcomes dagron to synaptic <dagron> though it feels like the first time I sit in front of a pewter :S * Pozac also welcomes dagron to synaptic <tha_gamemaster> anyone running ubuntu on ppc ? <ogra> tha_gamemaster: lots of ppl do...... * azta makes eww noises <azta> tha_gamemaster: on a g3 ibook here <tha_gamemaster> ogra, is anyone of those people available for me to ask them a question ^_^ <tha_gamemaster> azta nvidia or ati card in your ibook? <azta> tha_gamemaster: if it's regarding broken resume on wake no :) <azta> tha_gamemaster: ATI rage mobility thing <tha_gamemaster> azta hehe no I'm using it on an iMac, I experienced that error already on my ibook G3, I'm trying to enable hardware video acceleration. <dagron> Ubuntu can use Debian packages? <azta> tha_gamemaster: ah, good luck :) <ogra> tha_gamemaster: runs fine on my imac at the office <tha_gamemaster> dagron yea <Pozac> I would love for dpkg/apt to be replaced in synaptic by a more library-ish interface <Blackwell> dagron: it is debian, just in a more friendly way, it seems. <jdub> dagron: preferably not; they're almost entirely available from universe/multiverse anyway <ogra> dagron: you shouldnt <azta> tha_gamemaster: this only has 8mb videoram, which wasn't enough for the dri stuff <dagron> aah. just like Vidalinux ? <EfaistOs> some users of webcam here ? <Pozac> there's no dselect.. woohooo <azta> tha_gamemaster: I haven't tried it in about 18 months though... <ogra> dagron: and ubuntu has 99% of the debian packages already in <tha_gamemaster> ogra I have X, but you can tell from my opengl screen savers that there is no hardware exceleration... <jdub> dagron: (ubuntu is completely rebuilt, so there's no guarantee that actual debian packages will work) <ungood> could someone help me with getting my RAID 0 array working? <Marble2> what the fuck is wrong with beep-media-player <Marble2> its a POS <tha_gamemaster> mplayer is good <Pozac> Marble2, yes. Sadly <dagron> argh. but I want my aterm and irssi.. going to try at least <azta> ungood: just mount it? <ogra> tha_gamemaster: i'll check it tomorrow if im at my shitty job ;) <tha_gamemaster> just get mplayer or videolan client <Marble2> prozac, what should I use? <tha_gamemaster> ogra thank you ^_^ <Blackwell> dagron: ubuntu seems strictly non commercial too, debian spirited in a way, i guess. <Marble2> i want to play mp3s <Pozac> Marble2, xmms or rhythmbox <azta> ungood: what raid card ? <tha_gamemaster> marble2, xmms <jdub> Blackwell: it's highly commercial (it's just Free, too) <Marble2> can I apt-get it? <ungood> Promise Fasttrak 100 <Pozac> yep <Marble2> cool <azta> ungood: is it a true hardware raid card? <Blackwell> jdub: that burb on their page seemed to give a different impression. ;) <ogra> Marble2: rhythmbox is already there <ungood> azta: I don't think so <vegai> how does ubuntu work with non-alsa sound drivers? <Marble2> it is shitty, i tried it <azta> ungood: um :( <vegai> OSS supported ok? <Pozac> xmms is the good old player <jdub> Marble2: dude, keep it nice please <azta> xmms is the sucky old player <Marble2> sorry <Marble2> in uh rythmbox <Marble2> it won't show my files <Marble2> it import <ungood> Ubuntu sees the two drives, but it doesn't want to combine them into one, it seems. <jdub> did you install gstreamer0.8-mad? <ungood> I don't want to format them, because I would lose a ton of my music. <azta> ungood: ah, you want the linux raid howto I guess <macewan> muine may be of use <ogra> Marble2: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats * azta goes to work <tha_gamemaster> seeya azta <ungood> ok, I'll look into that. Thanks :) <Pozac> Muine is sweet. <macewan> it does have that cool factor <tha_gamemaster> brb <vegai> no-one? <ogra> vegai: what for oss ? <ogra> vegai: everything is replaced by alsa, oss will die anyway <rwabel> hi <Pozac> hello <vegai> I have a soundcard that's properly supported by only the 4Front driver. I was wondering whether oss is supported here <rwabel> i've a big problem with gnome 2.9.2 on ubuntu hoary <macewan> what sound card? <ogra> vegai: there surely is an alsa driver that works <vegai> I sure hope that ALSA will become a bit better before it kills OSS <Pozac> rwabel, yes? <vegai> ogra: negative. <rwabel> the whole panel is away and the desktop is unusable <ogra> vegai: what card ? <macewan> brb <rwabel> pozac: I don't know if it's a bug or sth like that. or if I did sth to the config <vegai> M-Audio Revolution 7.1, an ice1724-chip based card. And don't pretend to know more about this than me, please :) <Marble2> yay <tha_gamemaster> back <Marble2> xmms kicks ass <Pozac> rwabel, no, I think you just upgraded.. I had that problem too, not sure how I fixed it <ogra> vegai: /lib/modules/156.14.161.142-3-686/kernel/sound/pci/ice1712/snd-ice1724.ko <rwabel> pozac: sudo apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade didn't help <vegai> ogra: did I ask you not to pretend you know more about this than I? <Marble2> ok, now what can I use to play video files <macewan> ouch <Pozac> rwabel, I managed to get it running by trying a few times and killing leftover processes in between <Marble2> is mpc linux compatabile? <ogra> vegai: there is a alsa module .... dont you think it works ? * vegai breaths deep. <Pozac> good ol' ctrl-alt-backspace, slay pozac routine <vegai> yes, I've tried that module <vegai> it has problems <ogra> vegai: with the right options ? <Pozac> slay is the coolest tool <Quest-Master> What's with the attitude vegai? ogra's just trying to help. <vegai> yes <macewan> I'm in the middle of that myself. <Pozac> Marble2, I recommend totem-xine <rwabel> pozac: I tried to kill some gnome panels etc and I got only the taskbar from the bottom back. the rest like the desktop and the top panel still away <Pozac> rwabel, do you use GDM? try startx <vegai> Quest-Master: how? <Quest-Master> Marble2: totem-xine was pretty unstable for me. Use gxine.. simple, fast :) <macewan> killall gnome-panel <rwabel> pozac: yes gdm. tried startx, reboot, restart gdm <vegai> yes, ok, sorry. I guess you get a lot of clueless people here sometimes. <ogra> Quest-Master: thank you, i can cope with that ..... in fact he warned me ;) <rwabel> macewan: ahh that one I didn't know yet. I've to go back to gnome window manager, I'm in xfce at the moment <stuNNed_> is ubuntu slow on anyone else's laptop? odd. <Pozac> rwabel, I don't think I know then, sorry.. :( <jdub> stuNNed_: you don't happen to have a toshiba, do you? <Quest-Master> lol <vegai> but back to the question... I guess everything's linked against OSS libraries too? <macewan> brb <vegai> I shouldn't be worried, though. The 4Front driver has an ALSA emulating layer <rwabel> pozac: I'll try the killall gnome-panel <vegai> like ALSA has an OSS emulating layer ;) <|QuaD-> hey, anyone here have any experience with webhosts and python scripts? <vegai> kinda ironic... <jdub> vegai: warty is set up to use alsa drivers, but via the oss emulation modules (not using alsalibs) <vegai> hmm, it will tough then :/ <Pozac> rwabel, do that <vegai> jdub: it's mostly autodetected, right? <jdub> no <DigiKill> evenin <vegai> ok, that's better <jdub> if you want to use oss stuff, it will just work <vegai> jdub: no, but I don't want ALSA. <stuNNed_> jdub, no dell inspiron 1.8ghz cpu/512ram/gf2go and it's pretty slow for some reason, refreshing windows and the like <Pozac> unless you alsa driver's oss layer thingie sucks :( <vegai> oh, right. Sorry again :) <rwabel> pozac: seems that the probem is only related to my specific user. loging in with another user works fine <vegai> good <DigiKill> Question: anyone compiled an Eggdrop bot on Ubuntu yet? <toxickore> hello people.... <jdub> Pozac: the in-kernel oss emulation stuff is better than using alsalibs atm <Pozac> rwabel, yeah - perhaps something in ~/.gconf ? <jdub> Pozac: that's why we chose to use it <toxickore> how can i know if i'm using the latest ubuntu distro version? <jd85> i'm attempting to do an install of ubuntu on my laptop, and before with other distros i'd have to do ide=nodma at boot, but i dont know what `kernel` put in there and such, so i dont know what to do because it wont detect cd <ogra> toxickore: there is only one currently <Pozac> jdub, ok :) <jdub> toxickore: cat /etc/lsb-release, if it says 'warty' and 4.10, you're using the latest release. <toxickore> jd85: let's see <toxickore> jd85: yup... it's the 4.10 <toxickore> jd85: thank you dude.. <jd85> toxickore: may i add i'm a gentoo user and just need somthing that wont hog all of my cpu on my laptop lol its a 266, do you think it will run alright? its a p2 <jd85> oops <jd85> not to toxickorebut to everyone <toxickore> ooops... <jd85> yea two oops <jdub> jd85: RAM matters, not CPU <toxickore> jdub: my answer was to you <toxickore> jd85: =P <jd85> jdub: i have 128mb... that enough <jd85> jdub: if i can even get it to 'find the cd' <rwabel> pozac: no luck. it only gave me back the bottom panel. ther other one where the gnome stuff is (like system etc) is still away <jdub> i'd recommend 256MB at the least for using gnome on ubuntu <jdub> (gnome plus anything useful on top) <Pozac> rwabel, and you can't click on anything, right? <jd85> jdub: well thats the max the laptop can take, have any suggestions? its only got a 3.1 gig hard drive.. <jdub> rwabel: killall gnome-vfs-daemon nautilus trashapplet gnome-panel <ogra> jd85: you could try xfce4 as a replacement with smaller footprint <rwabel> pozac: right <jd85> ogra: but not with ubuntu? <ogra> jd85: should work with 128 but you wont benefit form all the nice gnome integration <rwabel> jdub: thanks, gonna try that one out <ogra> jd85: sure with ubuntu.... <Pozac> I would like to once again point out that 'slay' is a wonderful tool no keen ubuntu user should be without. <Marble2> gar <noob> sorry, but what is slay for? :) <Marble2> i can't get audio working on VLC <zenwhen> I am running a caching server with 64MB of ram with Ubuntu. It is CERTAINLY not useable as a desktop with that little ram though. <Marble2> any ideas? <Pozac> noob, it kills all processes belonging to a user :) <noob> ok <noob> :) <Pozac> like the name sort of implies :) <rwabel> jdub: yeah great nautilus and trahsapplet did the job. thank you very much <zenwhen> I think 128 Might be ok, but I am getting a 256MB stick for it and a small monitor so I can use synergy to add it to my desktop. <zenwhen> :) <Marble2> anyone? <Pozac> Marble2, hold on, lemme install it... <zenwhen> Marble2, you get sound in everything else? <stuNNed_> jdub, any idea why it might be slow? <Marble2> yea <stuNNed_> jdub, this is ubuntu unstable, current. <Marble2> xmms and such gets sound <Marble2> brb bathroom <ogra> stuNNed_: with xcompmanager ? <rwabel> jdub: but after a logout and login again the same problem <zenwhen> have you tried multiple files Marble2 <zenwhen> ? <stuNNed_> ogra, not sure if i'm using that or not, haven't manually enabled it. <jdub> rwabel: do it again, and save your session as you log out <jdub> stuNNed_: no strong ideas, no <ogra> stuNNed_: it draws shadows around your windows and you have to enable it ..... <stuNNed_> ogra, then no <rwabel> judb: thanks <stuNNed_> jdub, could be 'nvidia' drivers or whatever agp i'm using you think? * Marianitu is away: zzzzz zzz <stuNNed_> ogra, thanks <jdub> stuNNed_: dunno * zZzzznitu is back (gone 00:00:43) <Marble2> yes zenwhen <ogra> stuNNed_: nvidia drivers form where ? are there any for xorg already ? <Marble2> i have <stuNNed_> ogra, yes <stuNNed_> ogra, using what's in ubuntu unstable <stuNNed_> ogra, which is not latest afaik <zenwhen> Do OTHER video apps exhibit this issue? <Pozac> Marble2, hmm.. do you have the sound server enabled? <Pozac> I again recommend totem-xine. <Marble2> i'll try totem-xine <zenwhen> Check Settings -> preferences and make sure "Use spdif when available" isnt checked as well. <Pozac> xmms is like winamp in the old days, and totem-xine is like a good edition of the classic windows media player :) <zenwhen> under Audio. <zenwhen> Gxine is good as well. <Pozac> BEFORE everyone had to live off writing media players :( <Marble2> i just unchecked it zenwhen <Marble2> still no audio <zenwhen> damn <Pozac> try running vlc from a terminal and see if it shows errors <Pozac> like /dev/dsp in use or whatnot * Marianitu is away: zzzzz zzz <Marble2> the hell <Marble2> a vlc restart fixed it <Marble2> works like a charm now <Pozac> It might be the sound server :) <zenwhen> It ws the spdif thing i bet. <tha_gamemaster> vlc is good <Marble2> probably <zenwhen> KMIX does the same thing if you install KDE but it takes away ALL sound. <zenwhen> lol <Pozac> I've had some sync issues with it in the past <rwabel> judb: by default it saves the session. is there a way to tell gnome to do it explicit? <Pozac> gnome-session-save perhaps? <jdub> rwabel: it doesn't save the session by default. click log out, look at the option at the bottom of the logout box. <jblack> Hmmm. Either at or atq is broken <rwabel> jdub: there are no option only logout, reboot and shutdown <jblack> looks like at <Pozac> My at says Garbled time <Pozac> hehe <jdub> rwabel: 'save current setup' at the top <euphoria> hi all <zenwhen> hey <Pozac> rwabel, you can run 'gnome-session-save' <rwabel> jdub: strange. are you sure.... and then the 3 options <rwabel> pozac: thanks gonna try that <tha_gamemaster> how can I test what type of framebuffer I'm running ? <tha_gamemaster> like what driver it's using from the kernel. <Pozac> rwabel, I also have that option <tha_gamemaster> brb <rwabel> pozac: yes, it worked. thanks...must have a different logout version. or maybe it's a setting question in gnome <rwabel> thanks for the help <Pozac> np <Pozac> Who is Remote? <euphoria> im newbiwe and come from spain :) im try to install a lucent modem, in download a ltmodem-8.31a10.tar.gz and im build i .deb later im put dpkg -i filename and all ok but when im try put modeprobe lt_serial say module not found, im dont have a modprobe.conf file ??? <euphoria> im see some post but nothing work for me <tha_gamemaster> are there any precompiled kernel images for ubuntu with the nv kernel framebuffer compiled in? Or should be apt-get'n the kernel sources now ^_^ <mdke> tha_gamemaster, what are you trying to do? <tha_gamemaster> get hardware acceleration for my video <Pozac> early nv framebuffer perhaps? <mdke> ok <euphoria> im install the kernel header from the synaptic and im download the driver from linmodem.org <mdke> tha_gamemaster, check out the wiki <mdke> tha_gamemaster, lemme find the right page <euphoria> im dont have internet in my ubuntu * mdke looks meaningfully at ogra <tha_gamemaster> mdke I was in the wiki, I couldn't find what I was looking for, can you point me a little closer? <tha_gamemaster> mdke, ah thanks for looking ^_^ <ogra> tha_gamemaster: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto <Pozac> Marble2, By the way, you should do a search in synaptic for xmms.. there are lots of plugins for it :) <mdke> ogra, gimme 5 * ogra had no open browser...... sorry for the latency :) <ogra> botting slow today *g* <mdke> *grins* <mdke> /slap ogra <xevil> tha_gamemaster: you need the nvidia-glx package or d/l the source and compile it for yourself <tha_gamemaster> ogra, did I forget to mention I'm not using x86 ^_^ <ogra> loo <ogra> tha_gamemaster: hmm <tha_gamemaster> xevil, does the source work on ppc? <xevil> tha_gamemaster: uh... you didn't mention that... I don't know <ogra> mdke: why the namechange ? just realized it..... <mdke> ogra, i was sick of having a | in my name :) <tha_gamemaster> xevil, yea, I know, we really need an ubuntu ppc channel ^_^ <mdke> these are my initials <mdke> ogra, how are you doin? <mdke> been to spain on holiday? <ogra> mdke: so so..... working in my hated job again after an enlightening time in mataro is pretty hard <mdke> enlightening? <mdke> tell me more <xevil> tha_gamemaster: read this: http://www.petitiononline.com/nvppclin/petition.html <ogra> mdke: i was one week in mataro and the last one i took off (for illness) in my comp..... <tha_gamemaster> xevil, thank you very much ^_^ <mdke> ogra, hopefully you'll get a new job soon <xevil> tha_gamemaster: looks like support for ppc is pretty much non-existant <euphoria> im go to sleep, im tired <euphoria> see you <euphoria> :) <mdke> euphoria, nite. sorry for the lack of help <euphoria> tomorow it a other day xD <mdke> true <mdke> or not actually <mdke> its already tomorrow <ogra> mdke: heh <mdke> ogra, so what did you do in spain? <tha_gamemaster> xevil, yea I figured as much, I knew there was a reason I removed gentoo and mandrake from this iMac before... <ogra> mdke: learning and listening a lot <ogra> mdke: meeting cool ppl <mdke> :) <ogra> mdke: taking photos: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ConferenceGalleries <tha_gamemaster> os x is just SO draining on these resources... I just need more ram to enjoy the computer I suppose. <mdke> what were they talking about? <Blackwell> "ram is like sex, ..." <ogra> mdke: and starting this: http://www.grawert.net/xss_shot_1.png <merk> I'm new to ubuntu. I've been using Linux for ten years for my pc. So I've got a coupla questions. Is therea utiility for setting mode lines under XFConfig? My screen is slightly off center and it's annoying. There are things on the right side I can't read or access. <tha_gamemaster> Blackwell, ain't it the truth ^_^ <ogra> mdke: all the special ubuntu stuff.... some basics on packaging and the exciting launchpad stuff <tha_gamemaster> oh well, kernel compilation time. <Blackwell> urgs, my sympathies. <ogra> mdke: indeed there was a lot more, but thats what i picked..... <mdke> ogra, what is that xss thing? <ogra> mdke: and the cool new desktop thingies that will come with hoary ... hehe <ogra> mdke: the xsceensaver lock dialog <tha_gamemaster> Anyone got any suggestions before I compile my first ubuntu kernel? (so far I've done gentoo and debian) <sjoerd> oh, the kicking cops picture :) <Blackwell> tha_gamemaster: you'll do fine i bet. <Blackwell> you don't sound like a kernel recompilation allergic like me. <ogra> sjoerd: in the gallery ? <sjoerd> http://www.grawert.net/mataro/img113.jpeg.html * sjoerd didn't remember who made it <ogra> sjoerd: i took also the toilet signs <ogra> sjoerd: for fabio, he was so impressed <tha_gamemaster> Blackwell nope, but then again, just because you're not allergic, doesn't mean you're the first to run and participate ~_^ <sjoerd> hehe <sjoerd> ogra: where was that again <ogra> sjoerd: in the last bar before the big party <sjoerd> oh right <xevil> tha_gamemaster: get kernel-package and have fun... <tha_gamemaster> xevil, thanks ^_^ <xevil> tha_gamemaster: did you use kernel-package with Debian? <mdke> gtkpod takes bloody ages to add directories to the list <mdke> anyone else use gtkpod? <Tyche> Hey everyone <rwabel> I've just tested out the shadow feature of x.org. Looks nice, but the system gets unusable due to too much ressource usage. <ogra> rwabel: yep <ogra> rwabel: its a known issue..... <Tyche> I'm setting up my ubuntu server and I'm looking for a simple yet nice looking CMS for my personal web site. Image gallery, news, web links...can you suggest anything? <rwabel> ogra: I hear, didn't think that it would be so heavy ! but nice to see ;-) <Pugio> Does anyone know of any way to determine whether my network card is working or not? <Pugio> I'm having problems with getting it to connect to anything <Pugio> The case is: I have a cable plugged into my router, the cable works fine on my laptop <mdke> Pugio, ifconfig <ogra_dogwalk> rwabel: it will get lighter and faster..... ita a matter of time ;) <Tyche> pugio: can you do a ifconfig from cmd prompt <Pugio> I did <Pugio> hang on <Pugio> let me switch the cable out <mdke> Pugio, does it show up? <rwabel> ogra: isn't it a problem with the opengl? <Tyche> Any CMS that you guys use? <Blackwell> "Pugio quit (Connection reset by peer)" ;) <Blackwell> (not that cable, i hope) <mdke> Pugio, if it doesn't show up <Pugio> ok <ogra_dogwalk> rwabel: rahter with the apps i think..... <Pugio> had to switch the cable <mdke> try ifconfig -a <Pugio> I'm using the laptop's wireless <mdke> Tyche, what is cms? <Pozac> content management system <Pugio> ifconfig eth0 shows up <Pugio> but It can't connect to anything <rwabel> ogra: why with the apps? aren't the apps independent of it? <Pugio> and yet, I had just connected to you using the very same cable/connection <Blackwell> Pugio: ping gets through? <Pugio> nope <Pugio> nothing <SeFoKumA> yeah <Tyche> mdke: A Content Management System. So that I can have a personal website with nice admin utilities to add news, images and links. <Pugio> it doesn't even have an ip <Pugio> and I can't figure out how to get it working <mdke> Pugio, how are you starting it? <Blackwell> Pugio: pinging what, some windows or firewalled box? what's the ip config of both? does it show a link on the router? <Pugio> ok <Pugio> here's the deal * Blackwell notes the lack of ip address bit <Pugio> my network is mostly unfirewalled <Pugio> I'm pinging a Mac OS X machine <Pugio> the eth0 card has no Ip address <Pugio> the Ubuntu network settings control has the card <Blackwell> Pugio: does that os x box respond to pings? make sure it does. have an ip address. no worky without, i guess. <Pugio> but every time I click "Activate" it activates for a sec and then deactivates <Blackwell> Pugio: maybe the system log shows why? <Pugio> ok, the box does respond to pings <Pugio> erm, which one? <Pugio> (what's the command for that again?) <Blackwell> Pugio: the one on the machine which fails to activate the network card. <Pugio> right, what I meant was, where's that log located <Blackwell> i expect the system log shows which module is attempted to be loaded (if any) and why it fails. <Pugio> woops <Blackwell> Pugio: no idea :) <Pugio> duh! <Pugio> hang on <Pugio> this is a standard ubuntu install <Pugio> ok here we go <pkellow> does anyone know how to fix the broken package of the samba? <Pugio> I got something <pkellow> i would greatly appreciate it <Blackwell> pkellow: remove and install again? <pkellow> just the samba <Blackwell> pkellow: or install a package from somewhere else? windows style admin approach, i know, but hey, might work. :) <Pugio> It says: "localhost dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to (316)288-4715 port 67 interval 11 <Pugio> there's a whole bunch of those <Pugio> with the last interval number changing each time <Pugio> then it says "localhost dhclient: No DHCPOFFERS received <Blackwell> Pugio: seems you should configure an ip address. <Pugio> but I'm using a DHCP server <Blackwell> it goes offline because it is configured to use DHCP and fails to acquire an ip config that way, i guess. <Blackwell> Pugio: <shrug> i'd do without dhcp first, just to make sure everything is ok without dhcp anyway. <Pugio> right, but it's never done this before <Pugio> ok, hang on <Blackwell> now it does. :) <pkellow> umm what is the last version of samba that works with ubunut <Blackwell> ubunut, nice one :) <Pugio> i already tried to give it a static ip <Pugio> but here goes again <Blackwell> pkellow: ubuntu is debian, i hear. so... <Blackwell> Pugio: tried and failed? or tried and succeeded, yet no change of state? <Pugio> tried and failed <pkellow> i know its debian i was just wondering <Pugio> butk, as I said, here goes again <Blackwell> ah, so get that manual ip configuration going first, i guess. :) <Blackwell> pkellow: unless it says otherwise, we must assume that it is "100% compatible", i guess. <Pugio> right, but that's not working either <Pugio> I'm at a loss <macewan> the ladies smile as macewan announces that he's back <Blackwell> Pugio: you fail at configuring the ip address of your network card? <Blackwell> there's ladies in here? <drool> <Pugio> well, it configures, (i'm using the ubuntu GUI for network config) but I still can't connect to anything <macewan> :) <Blackwell> Pugio: post the ip config of both boxes. <Pugio> ok <Blackwell> or post somewhere, don't know if channel is okay. just don't flood. <Pugio> it's only 3 fields * Blackwell feels that #windowsnt feeling coming up <Pugio> Dead Box: ip: (316)288-4715 - subnet: 156.14.161.142.0 - gateway: (316)288-4715 <Blackwell> that subnet mask worries me. <Pugio> Live Bod: ip: (316)288-4715 - the rest is the same <Pugio> erm <Pugio> sorry <Pugio> that's only 3 sets of 255 <Pugio> not four <Blackwell> :) <Pugio> the DNS servers are also identical <Pugio> as I said, it worked fine before <Pugio> just not anymore <krischan> Hey, what application are available to play back MIDI files? <Blackwell> Pugio: who provides the dhcp service? <Pugio> my router <Pugio> remember, it's hard configured now anyway <Pugio> I have an Asante something or other router <Pugio> it's worked ok before <Blackwell> Pugio: does the router activity led light up when you fire up ping or the activation of the network interface? <Blackwell> brute method to check, i know, but... <Blackwell> Pugio: i assume the router provides dhcp service to the other boxes ok? <Blackwell> Pugio: the router/nic link leds are lit? <Pugio> hmm <Blackwell> Pugio: using another port on the router doesn't change anything? <Pugio> they weren't <Pugio> nope <Pugio> but... <Pugio> I think I got it <Pugio> dumb dumb dumb me <Blackwell> well, no link no fun <Blackwell> you used the wrong port? ;) <Pugio> no <Pugio> this cable is slightly messed up <Blackwell> aha <Pugio> it doesn't seat right in the slot <Blackwell> no spare to play with, eh? <fender> need some help, how do you get audio from a dvd? can't install dvdrip or ffmpeg. which would do the job. <Pugio> it worked on the laptop <Pugio> cause the slot was slightly smaller <Pugio> nope, no spares <Pugio> actually, this was my spare <Blackwell> Pugio: get some, too cheap to miss <Blackwell> haha :) <Pugio> i know <sgood1971> Can anyone tell me how to open a port? <Blackwell> sgood1971: run a software which listens on that port. <fender> need some help, how do you get audio from a dvd? can't install dvdrip or ffmpeg. which would do the job. <Pugio> now, lets see if I can stuff something into this slot to seat it <Blackwell> fender: repeating is not friendly, esp. not at these intervals. <sgood1971> Blackwell: I am trying to run amule and I get a lowid because I need 4266 opened. I tried sudo iptables -I INPUT 1 -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 4662 -j ACCEPT but it still is not open. <Blackwell> Pugio: try to switch cables around, if that is an option. configure the interface back, too, i guess. <Blackwell> sgood1971: haha, alright. no clue about linux firewall stuff, sorry. <fender> does anyone know how to get audio from a dvd on to my hard drive? <Blackwell> hello mrs. ubuntu :) * Blackwell smiles at vmware'd ubuntu <Blackwell> fender: slightly rephrasing may still be considered repeating. <Pugio> well, I finally was able to kick someone else off of the other machine <Pugio> so, now I'm testing it with his cable and it works fine - of course <fender> blackwell:well, i want to know how to get audio from a dvd. <sgood1971> fender: There is a thread on http://linuxquestions.org that covers dvd-shrink using wine. <Pugio> but, the cable works on his machine (the "dead" one) <Pugio> so everythings great now:) <Pugio> thanks for the help <fender> sgood1971:thank you, i'll try it. <sgood1971> fender: just use the search and look for dvd shrink <macewan> fender: mplayer does this I believe <fender> yeah, i think it uses ffmpeg. well, i think it does. but i can't get ffmpeg, failed dependencies <tha_game|away> fender http://www.digital-digest.com, they have some linux software there, otherwise mplayer and transcode (if you want to do some well worth-while learning). Also there is DV33ec:265c:71fe:e26d:2682:4ec2:aaa1:99abRIP for linux. <tha_game|away> (mplayer/mencoder) <fender> i know about dvdrip, used it on freebsd, can't get to work on ubuntu, dependencies is a nightmare when trying to install dvdrip on suse. tried downloading transcode, same problem with that, failed dependencies. <fender> downloaded mplayer through apt-get and it doesn't work, doesn't load. <macewan> why are sound blaster cards such a bitch with ubuntu?? <tha_game|away> fender intersting, I used to use dvdrip through mandrake and had no problems... <tha_game|away> macewan pci or isa? <macewan> pci <tha_game|away> macewan, hrm, I haven't tried it myself but I will be trying it soon, pci should be no problem... <fender> if you got to dvdrip's website it needs 10 or more dependencies including mplayer. <tha_game|away> fender, and ubuntu/debian doesn't have all the binary dependencies? <macewan> two different sound blaster types were tried, both barfed in different ways. <fender> well, i've only started using ubuntu and i think it <tha_game|away> macewan, ya got me, I've still not messed with it on ubuntu. <fender> is a pleasure to use. <macewan> true pleasure, I use emily84@example.com. <tha_game|away> fender, I agree with you completely as I am in the same situation. I'll be trying what you're doing in the next couple of days, if you have not gotten it to work by then and I am successful, I will guide you through it. <fender> ok <lexhider> does anyone else not have a logout menu item in hoary? <jlund> I''m trying to add a program to the existing 'Internet' group in the Applications menu but going to 'applications://' in nautilus is giving me an error. How do I manually add a program? <macewan> compiling latest alsa-driver, should i compile oss emulation <fender> i got the audio from an mpeg file, using ffmpeg, but you need to use a few commands in the terminal or shell. <tha_game|away> nrn <tha_game|away> brb* <cardador> lexhider: that happens to me normally after a dist-upgrade. try ro restart x, or reboot. <macewan> lexhider: never had that while i used hoary <magnon> me neither <lexhider> interesting, I've currently had to put a logout applet on panel. <fender> i got the audio from an mpeg file in freebsd, only problem is i'm trying to get the audio from the source...DVD. <fender> in ubuntu. <lexhider> I'll see if I can rectify <jlund> I'm trying to add a program to the existing 'Internet' group in the Applications menu but going to 'applications://' in nautilus is giving me an error. How do I manually add a program? <macewan> just right click from the menu itself <jlund> That closes the Applications list <jlund> I am on Hoary, dunno if that matters <tha_game|away> fender let me install ffmpeg and see if i can do it. <macewan> applications > Internet 'right click in the Internet menu on top of one of the existing 'net apps' <jlund> macewan: that closes the launcher <ogra> jlund: its currently not possible in hoary <jlund> oh <jlund> Why is that? <ogra> jlund: because its hoary <ogra> jlund: its in steady development <fender> the_game|way: go to http://www.bunkus.org/dvdripping4linux/en/separate/tricks.html for some information, it might be a little bit useful. <jlund> Hm, seems like a weird thing to not be able to do <ogra> jlund: be happy that nothing essential is currently broken ;) <jlund> Oh well, I just added a little icon for it which works <jlund> Yes, I am very happy with hoary <jlund> I'm glad it's not just me! <jlund> Thanks <ogra> jlund: it will get fixed..... <tha_game|away> fender, checking... <tha_game|away> fender, yea that's what i was gunna recommend but you can't get mplayer installed. <jlund> ogra - I have no doubt of that. I will keep doing updates and dist-upgrades :) <ogra> ;) <kergan> is it ok i do a sysinfo script in here <kergan> ?? <fender> you see, i don't have transcode or ffmpeg, or at least i think i don't. it's quite a difficult problem. <kergan> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.9-1-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 1992.889 MHz Bogomips: 3948.54 Mem: 290/497M [||||||||||] Diskspace: 36.82G Free: 18.50G Procs: 80 Uptime: 2 days 4 hrs 21 mins 36 secs Load: 2.57 2.28 2.20 Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (32 bpp) eth0: In: 502.04M Out: 37.65M <kergan> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.9-1-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 1992.889 MHz Bogomips: 3948.54 Mem: 290/497M [||||||||||] Diskspace: 36.82G Free: 18.50G Procs: 80 Uptime: 2 days 4 hrs 21 mins 37 secs Load: 2.57 2.28 2.20 Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (32 bpp) eth0: In: 502.04M Out: 37.65M <kergan> opps <kergan> hmm <imka> i need to recrute some hungarian ubuntu users so they help me on rosetta <kergan> i am trying to get ppl on my irc network to convert to ubuntu <kergan> specaly for the irc servers <kergan> ubuntu is far stabler than suse <dataw0lf> good for you. <imka> kergan it's not hard to convince some1 for ubuntu :) <kergan> i agree <kergan> the 1 person i was trying to convert was wanting to try gentoo <dataw0lf> so it's not much of an announcement. <kergan> and i talked him out of it <tha_game|away> has anyone successfully installed mplayer on ubuntu? <kergan> me <imka> tha_game yes, earlier <kergan> but it dont work like it should <imka> but it wouldnt work with my new install <tha_game|away> imka, I'm trying to get fender some help with installation, can't find anything in the wiki... <imka> i think its because of package conflicts. i have totem-xine with w32codecs and libdvdcss and it works like a charm. gnome look and feel rulz <kergan> i like the gnome-xine <tha_game|away> yea but we need the mplayer for some video editing. <kergan> tha_game|away, cant you use xine <ogra> tha_game|away: tried kino for that ? <imka> tha_game if you really want it, you need to add a line to sources.list <tha_game|away> orga kino doesn't use mpeg2 video (especially not of the vob calibur) <tha_game|away> kergan xine for video editing? <tha_game|away> brb <imka> tha_game what kinda video editing. just cutting or what? <ogra> imka: vob indicates video cd <bob2> vob indicates dvd <ogra> bob2: hey bob <ogra> bob2: home again ? <imka> ah okay, vob. sry <bob2> yeah, only took...35 hours <bob2> including a missed flight <ogra> :-O <Gwildor> hello :) <Gwildor> i just installed enlightenment, and, before, i have installed other WM that didnt make it to the <session> menu at the log in screen <ogra> but at least you got it warm there <sulkd> imka: I got w32 codecs in /usr/lib/win32 and still totem isn't showing wmvs.. how'd you configure it? <Gwildor> any idea how to add them <bob2> just don't use totem <bob2> install mplayer or gxine <imka> use totem-xine <lexhider> well, I still haven't got a logout menu thing, I'll just hope it returns in a dist-upgrade in the future. <bob2> totem-xine is a waste of your time <imka> the default totem uses gstreamer, which kinda sucks <bob2> a simple rhyme to give you...lime <ogra> bob2: hmm, never had probs with it <imka> bob2 i guess its a matter of preference. it works for me <bob2> gstreamer is prohibited by law from being awesome <imka> lol <ogra> bob2: lol <bob2> imka: ogra you guys won't come complaining here when your hoary upgrade breaks, tho <bob2> other people will, since they don't know what ubuntu-desktop is for <ogra> bob2: i know what to do ;) <imka> bob2 do you really think a missing ubuntu-desktop will break things? im not sure <ogra> btw, vlc is a good tool too <ogra> imka: it will ! <bob2> imka: lack of gamin on hoary makes things irritatingly slow <imka> well, in that case, i just install ubuntu-desktop be4 upgrading and then reinstall totem-xine <imka> but why would it break it? <Blackwell> grmblfx, doesn't use the keyboard layout i specified at install time, grrr <kergan> i never had the prob of missing ubuntu-desktop <imka> kergan, r u running hoary? <kergan> yes <imka> cool <Blackwell> that's...not nice when trying to login with the non ascii char containing password you so cleverly chose... <mike998> just say I wanted to try running hoary but didnk' <ogra> night all <imka> night <kergan> and it works just as well ass the werty <mike998> t want to reinstall my warty... could I do it by changing my repositories? <bob2> mike998: you can move to hoary from warty without reinstalling, but not the other way round <sulkd> heh.. ubuntu-desktop is just a virtual package.. it gets "removed" in your dist-upgrade whenever a package it represents is removed, like when they refactor some of the Ubuntu specific stuff and a package gets thrown out or renamed <bob2> sulkd: no it dopesn't <sulkd> the entire thing doesnt get removed when you see that <imka> well, i keep hearing this and that how important ubuntu-desktop is. but people who don't have it and upgraded say it 's okay <fender> can't believe it, need audio from a dvd, totem plays audio and no video. lol. <bob2> imka: yes, it's fine to remove it, if you know what it does <mike998> bob2: clarify for me... Hoary is gonna be the next release, right? or was it the last release? <imka> yea, it's just a meta package <kergan> fender, check for the dvdcss <bob2> imka: encouraging "newbies" to remove it means they will get lost and broken systems at some point in the future <bob2> mike998: next <imka> bob2 aight sir, i shut up LOL <bob2> mike998: but it's under very heavy development, don't upgrade unless you can handle a broken system and don't mind things changing a lot <fender> i havwe got dvdcss, i played the dvd earlier with ogle. <kergan> hmm <kergan> check your vidoe settings <imka> i'm off for a cigarette <mike998> bob2: I was considering doing so in order to challenge myself a little more and force myself to learn more <mike998> cheers, anyway <kergan> fender manke shure it outputting the video to the right source devise <IcE-bOy> hi <kergan> hello <IcE-bOy> where can i find firefox 1.0 for ubuntu ? <fender> works now. kergan. <IcE-bOy> i have look into multiverse and universe but i don't find it <IcE-bOy> only 0.9 <kergan> in the resportiorys IcE-bOy <IcE-bOy> kergan, what repository ? <mike_douglas> IcE-bOy: check the backport project <kergan> in the houry <bob2> ew <bob2> no <bob2> IcE-bOy: it's in hoary <macewan> grab it from moz*.org <kergan> i cant spell <bob2> IcE-bOy: which will be releasaed in april <kergan> lol <IcE-bOy> hoary? anybody can pass me a source from hoary ? <fender> next version of ubuntu released in april? <bob2> IcE-bOy: what feature does 1.0 have that 0.9.3 doesn't that you want so much? <kergan> bob2, none <kergan> its for to say i got the lates and greatest <kergan> hehehe <IcE-bOy> bob2, i want to use themes that only works with 1.0 <aeruder> is there some where i can file bug reports on a certain package? because gtk-gnutella has the /usr/share stuff, but the rest of the files aren't in the .deb <IcE-bOy> but i'm upgrading now to hoary <macewan> iceboy: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UpgradingToFirefox10/diff <speel> ah your going to regret it lol <macewan> ;) have fun with x.org <IcE-bOy> :) <speel> IcE-bOy: i advise you from experence lol dont do it <sulkd> aeruder, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com <kergan> ya hoary ant for the faint of hart <macewan> I'm back with warty too <kergan> and you have to know some basic linux stuff <speel> hoary is like a chair with one leg <IcE-bOy> why ? <IcE-bOy> what happened with hoary ? <macewan> and a kickstand <speel> things are missing and buggy <IcE-bOy> uff <kergan> speel its more like it has 3 legs and it needs 4 <macewan> x is sloooowwww <speel> lol <Blackwell> hm. can one change the keyboard layout used at login? <IcE-bOy> # apt-get install mozilla-firefox -t hoary <IcE-bOy> ;) <macewan> anyone installed the latest alsa-*? <kergan> brb and let me tell you it that works <kergan> must reboot just casue i got done doing my daly dist-upgrade <kergan> works here <kergan> alsa too <Gwildor> i just installed enlightenment, and, before, i have installed other WM that didnt make it to the <session> menu at the log in screen <Gwildor> any idea how to add them * DagaZ is away: [X] chat: the fresh-maker! <kergan> Gwildor, i dont have a clue <kergan> wish i did <kergan> but gnome is wot i use <bob2> DagaZ: can you please turn that off? <bob2> Gwildor: try asking on the list <kergan> better yet search the list first <Hikaru79> Anyone know of an MD-Player that has ATRAC3 support, comes with a backlit LCD remote, and has an FM radio tuner? =/ <Gwildor> bob2, kergan , thnx :) <kergan> n/p <kergan> its allways best to search the list before you ask that way you ant asken the same question 2ce <bob2> Hikaru79: www.minidisc.org <aeruder> any devs around that i could talk to about a package in universal that is broken that is not broken in debian? <aeruder> (its missing half the files in ubuntu) <scoon> hello all <scoon> how is life w/ the best distro to date ? <kergan> i love it <kergan> much better than mdk 10.1 <Gwildor> kergan, have anyidea what i sould "search" for <DagaZ> bob2: sure I can.. consider it done ;) <kergan> try enlightiment , ommm session, adding it <kergan> so on <macewan> ok, wish me luck. brb <Crane> hello <scizzo> hi <kergan> hello * kergan wrlcomes the new ppl <Crane> Just wondering about ubuntu <kergan> what do you want to know <Crane> lol not sure <Crane> is it rpm based? <kergan> No <Crane> I'm thinking of giving it a try <kergan> its debian package based <imka> Crane, fortunately: no <Crane> fortunately? <kergan> it uses apt-get <kergan> and you dont get that with rpms <imka> i know it's offtopic, but who wants gmail? i got 8 invites left <speel> deb is betterthen rpm .. in my opinion ;P <kergan> i agree <imka> Crane, apt is the queen of package managers <Crane> lol <kergan> imka i have 5 gmail invites to give <imka> lol <Crane> I have run Debian before but I learned on redhat fedora * Blackwell thought the gmail thing was over by now <Crane> lol <speel> hey i have a question you know how debian is like 7 cds .. do you need them all? <kergan> Blackwell, nope <Crane> no <aeruder> speel: you need cd #1 <imka> Crane, if you like gnome and easy package management, try ubuntu. <aeruder> although its curious you are asking in here... <speel> thats it? <kergan> yep <aeruder> speel: for a base install (which consists of nearly nothing) yes <scoon> let me say this about ubuntu <scoon> linux has been my only OS since 1998 <scoon> i have run them all, including gentoo <Crane> I will when I get home <speel> does it have gnome and the nessary stuff on cd 1 <scoon> ubuntu is the best yet. <Crane> gentoo kicked my butt <Crane> tlol <scoon> super stable and very nice. <kergan> linux is on my main box and i have winxp as my file server <aeruder> speel: i doubt it <scoon> that sux <scoon> winxp is crap <scoon> i am sorry for you. <speel> hmmph <kergan> so winxp servers up my 9000+mp3s to my linux box <scoon> but i am a revovering emerge-holic <scoon> its all right <kergan> lol <scoon> i have 20+ gigs of music that <scoon> serves my web player <Crane> speel, a base install of debian has no x server <speel> man id use winxp but im so sick of updates and patches and all that nonsence i wish i had my games tho :( <scoon> a mac <scoon> and a shitty xp box. <speel> bah <speel> ok thanks Crane <speel> 7 cds is to much tho lol <Adrenal> what is rivafb? <scoon> anyway <scoon> don't want to flame <Adrenal> and y does it hate my nvidia driver so darn much? <scoon> just thought i'd play a bit of master of the obvious. <kergan> Adrenal, its for the riva vidoe card <Crane> after base install you can use apt-get to install new software <kergan> fb stands for fram buffer <scoon> isn't fram a car part manu ? <Adrenal> kergan, how do i disable it, and if i do disable it, will the nvidia driver replace what it did? <scoon> oil filters and what not. <kergan> Adrenal, dont know <Adrenal> anyone? <kergan> i dont have a nivida video card <Adrenal> kk <kergan> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.9-1-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 1992.992 MHz Bogomips: 3948.54 Mem: 339/497M [||||||||||] Diskspace: 36.82G Free: 18.53G Procs: 75 Uptime: 19 mins 0 sec Load: 1.41 1.40 1.08 Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (32 bpp) eth0: In: 18.54M Out: 1.18M <Crane> is gnome the only desktop availible in ubuntu <kergan> no <Crane> cool <Adrenal> u can get almost any <Adrenal> but gnome is the best <speel> lol 1600X1200? <kergan> you can install kde, enlightment, flux <kergan> gnome is the best <Adrenal> but...y would u want to? <Crane> lolo <speel> flux is the fastest :P <Crane> lol <kergan> yep
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