#ubuntu-arb 2012-06-01 <mhall119> anybody know why I'm getting this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1017245/ <ajmitch> mhall119: I didn't get that when running apt-get update earlier, retrying now to check <ajmitch> usually it'd be due to something getting out of sync, but the Release file shouldn't have changed in the last day or more <ajmitch> interesting, I just got a BADSIG on a PPA <ajmitch> mhall119: I had no issues with extras.u.c signing, sorry <dholbach> good morning <ajmitch> morning dholbach <dholbach> hey ajmitch <highvoltage> goood mooooorning! <ajmitch> helllooooooooo <dpm> morning highvoltage, hi ajmitch <ajmitch> hi dpm <highvoltage> ajmitch: I noticed that the copyright file is still installed under /opt in the askubuntu lens package. not a big deal, but since it's allowed under the usual place I thought I'd mention it <dpm> highvoltage, as you're voting right now, would you mind having a look at qreator on the mailing list? Just one vote to go :) <highvoltage> dpm: yep <dpm> awesome * dpm is excited <highvoltage> :D <highvoltage> ah I first thought it was going to be "qtcreator" <highvoltage> *relieved* <highvoltage> (not because qtcreator is bad, it's just massive!) <dpm> lol <dpm> I'm outstretching my skills already with a small app <highvoltage> nice <dpm> not sure I could take up to redesigning qtcreator ;) <highvoltage> is it in a ppa? I couldn't see a link anywhere * highvoltage clicks around randomly in appdeveloper interface <highvoltage> ah there it is in the staging ppa, right where it should be :) <PaoloRotolo> Hi all! <PaoloRotolo> Ehm, sorry, why "https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/gamedevelop/" isn't in Precise Pangoline? <PaoloRotolo> It's a very good app ;) #ubuntu-arb 2012-06-03 <PaoloRotolo> Hi all! <highvoltage> hi PaoloRotolo <PaoloRotolo> Ehm, sorry, why "https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/gamedevelop/" isn't in Precise Pangoline? <PaoloRotolo> It's a very good app ;) <stgraber> looks like it's a commercial app, so not something the ARB can help with <PaoloRotolo> stgraber, but was it submitted on http://developer.ubuntu.com/ <PaoloRotolo> ? <highvoltage> PaoloRotolo: hey there. there are two groups who vet apps for inclusion in software center for post-release apps. one deals with non-fre apps, and one deals with free apps. the ARB deals with the free apps. <highvoltage> PaoloRotolo: what I suggest you do is check the myapps web interface and see if there's perhaps a feedback request. perhaps they need some more information from you <highvoltage> PaoloRotolo: otherwise it might be best to ask on the web interface to request the status of your application <highvoltage> PaoloRotolo: ah, according to https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/gamedevelop/ it's already available in Ubuntu 11.10 (Oneiric) <highvoltage> PaoloRotolo: I guess you checked in Precise? You have to submit myapp apps seperately for each Ubuntu release. <PaoloRotolo> highvoltage, Hi, thanks for the help. But "gamedevelop" isn't a my application :) I saw it on this post http://developer.ubuntu.com/2012/05/top-10-ubuntu-app-downloads-for-april-2012/ <PaoloRotolo> because I'm using Precise, it's possible to install it in precise too? <highvoltage> PaoloRotolo: I think it's possible to manually add the right software source for that and install it manually, but I don't think there's anyway to do it from software centre <highvoltage> (not sure if SC sets up auth for no-cost non-free apps, if it does then I guess you can't) <stgraber> you can trick software center into thinking you're on 11.10 <stgraber> SOFTWARE_CENTER_DISTRO_CODENAME=oneiric software-center <stgraber> I can then see gamedevelop in the UI <PaoloRotolo> highvoltage stgraber , ok, thanks a lot :) <PaoloRotolo> and sorry for my bad english: I'm italian :) <highvoltage> PaoloRotolo: try what stgraber said, it should work <PaoloRotolo> highvoltage, stgraber, it works :D Thanks again! <highvoltage> great <PaoloRotolo> BTW, I have already uploaded some apps for the ARB. Now they are in Oneiric and Precise. Why gamedevelop was uploaded only for Oneiric? (it's a free app too) <highvoltage> PaoloRotolo: you don't have to pay for it, but it's a non-free license <highvoltage> PaoloRotolo: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_Free_Software_Guidelines for what we mean when we talk about free software <PaoloRotolo> highvoltage, oh, yes, I know. So only the open-source apps are uploaded from the ARB for all the Ubuntu versions? <highvoltage> PaoloRotolo: usually for the current stable ubuntu version. we try to encourage people to get them into the ubuntu archives as well so that they can be available for future releases <PaoloRotolo> highvoltage, ok I understand, thanks :) <highvoltage> PaoloRotolo: you're welcome <malin> is this app approved soon? https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/782/ #ubuntu-arb 2012-06-04 <dholbach> good morning #ubuntu-arb 2012-06-05 <dholbach> good morning #ubuntu-arb 2012-06-06 <dholbach> good morning <dholbach> ajmitch, wendar: is qreator getting into extras already? <dholbach> highvoltage, stgraber: ^ <stgraber> no idea (sorry, not much time for ARB stuff lately) :) <highvoltage> dh<tab> #ubuntu-arb 2012-06-07 <ajmitch> wendar: thanks for being the guinea pig for metadata-less uploads :) * ajmitch also removed it from askubuntu-lens, which needs checking & voting <dpm> good morning all <dpm> ajmitch, highvoltage or wendar, do you happen to know at what time the sync from the production PPA to extras.u.c happens? <ajmitch> not sure, sorry <ajmitch> all that is a bit of a black box <dpm> perhaps stgraber when he's around? ^ <dholbach> good morning <ajmitch> morning dholbach <dholbach> hey ajmitch <dpm> ajmitch, looking at http://extras.ubuntu.com/, and seeing the date and time in there, I assume the syncs happen at midnight, so I guess I'll have to wait for another day to get qreator in extras.u.c. Does that sound about right? <ajmitch> dpm: that's *probably* about right but you'd have to check with someone, I know as much as you do :) * ajmitch shall be back in an hour or so <dpm> thanks ajmitch <cielak> hey guys <cielak> I've dropped in to ask about harmonyseq's status in precise <cielak> I thought it was to be released to precise extras repos as soon as 12.04 was released, but it seems I was mistaken <cielak> is it going to be released there too? as far as I know there is very little changes to be done, since it has been sucessfully released for oneiric <dholbach> hey wendar - how are you doing? <dholbach> wendar, did you push up your pkgme-wrapper-tool somewhere? :) <ajmitch> cielak: it did require a little more changing, as one of the patches touched Makefile.am, and Makefile.in wasn't being regenerated properly from that. A fixed version is in the staging PPA for precise but I've been waiting on a package to go through that doesn't have the metadata in debian/control to see how it handles it <cielak> ajmitch: aah, I got it, you just wanted to have Qreator tested out first - fine, I just wanted to remind of myself ;) <ajmitch> yes, that & askubuntu-lens which I put up for vote <ajmitch> since the software center is ment to be able to pull all the icons, screenshot urls, etc from myapps, I didn't want to have to add them back in afterwards on multiple packages <ajmitch> it is close though :) <ajmitch> assuming anyone remembers to vote <cielak> right - and this would also fix the issue with incorrect metadata formatting harmonyseq had in oneiric <ajmitch> maybe <ajmitch> if it doesn't, I'll be following up on it <cielak> thanks, ajmitch! :-) <ajmitch> cielak: fwiw, I added dh-autoreconf to the build-depends & rules to get the makefiles to be patched properly, I'll push the changes I made to a branch <ajmitch> it's only needed on precise, not oneiric :) <cielak> great :) #ubuntu-arb 2012-06-08 <dholbach> good morning <wendar> dholbach: it's a patch to pkgme, and I haven't had time to work on it this week. Is there a reason you need it right now? The queue is piling up with submissions that already have PPAs, and that's seeming like a higher priority at the moment. <dholbach> wendar, oh, I just wanted to play around with it a bit and see how it fares <wendar> dholbach: okay, thanks for the enthusiasm :) * dholbach is totally enthusiastic about pkgme :) * ajmitch waves <ajmitch> dpm: thanks for the write up of how the app looks now, I guess there are a few issues to solve still <dpm> ajmitch, ah, no worries, glad you found it useful <ajmitch> useful in that we may not be able to drop all the fields just yet :) <ajmitch> I see the 2 reviews that are on the app have the same text <ajmitch> it's just a bit unreadable for me <ajmitch> highvoltage: I've fallen behind on the new submissions as well, so I'll be trying to spend some time on the queue tomorrow <ajmitch> I'd have liked to get apps voted on, but it seems that a few people are busy <highvoltage> ajmitch: yeah <highvoltage> we have no outstanding votes at the moment though, right? <ajmitch> askubuntu-lens <ajmitch> I only got a response from you <highvoltage> hmm, perhaps we should just poke the others again for a reminder on that one. it's easy to forget. <ajmitch> yeah I was going to send out a gentle nag, since I wanted harmonyseq in as well but was waiting to see how the metadata went * ajmitch spots a recent submission that can probably be rejected juding from the size of the download - lua development tools :) <ajmitch> when I see a download that starts with org.eclipse..., I know it won't be fun :) <highvoltage> hehe <ajmitch> 60MB download, I'm betting that if it could go in, the debian java team would be best to handle it <ajmitch> sorry to distract you from pkg-ayatana, I should head off to bed <jono> hey folks <jono> I just sent an email to the list about a cool app dev competition we are going to be running <jono> we would like a member of the ARB to be on the judging panel <malin> still waiting for this app to be reviwed https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/782/ #ubuntu-arb 2012-06-09 <PaoloRotolo> Hi all! #ubuntu-arb 2012-06-10 <PaoloRotolo> Hi all! #ubuntu-arb 2012-06-11 <dholbach> good morning <cwayne> hey, does an app usually sit in "Pending Review" for a month? or was mine forgotten :( <dpm> cwayne, which app is it? <cwayne> dpm: unity-lens-vm <dholbach> dpm, first test-push: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dholbach/ubuntu-app-reviews/tahrir/changes/2?start_revid=2 :-) <dpm> dholbach, nice. <dholbach> I'll experiment a bit before turning it on <dpm> cwayne, if no one from the ARB is around to do the review, you might want to send a reminder to the ubuntu-app-devel(AT)lists(DOT)ubuntu(DOT)com list <dpm> or actually, <dpm> I think if you add the reminder as feedback on https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/807/feedback/ it should land on the arb list <dholbach> dpm, for now I'm happy with my tests: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-reviews <dholbach> I'll play around with it a bit more tomorrow <dholbach> also I moved lp:apps-brancher over to ~ubuntu-app-review-contributors <dholbach> I'll do a full test run tomorrow and then cron it <dpm> nice #ubuntu-arb 2012-06-12 <dpm> good morning <dholbach> good morning <ajmitch> dholbach: hi, that app brancher looks useful <dholbach> nice :) * ajmitch had mostly just done manual imports into branches <dholbach> bug 1011532 is something I need to deal with somehow <dholbach> 1010830 might be good to get sorted out too, before putting the importer into cron <ajmitch> in a few cases the submitter has a branch already <ajmitch> it'd be cool to parse the initial comment & look for a lp: ;) <dholbach> ajmitch, can you file a bug about that? <ajmitch> ok <dholbach> thanks <PaoloRotolo> Hi all! <dholbach> can somebody help me make a decision on bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/apps-brancher/+bug/1012098? <dpm> cielak, did you resubmit harmonyseq to myapps <dpm> ? <cielak> dpm: I have never thought I need to, developers who wanted to have their app copied from oneiric to precise were asked just to drop an e-mail <dpm> cielak, yeah, I'd recommend to resubmit, the apps are not copied automatically <cielak> dpm: I have asked ajmitch recently about the status of harmonyseq, and I had an impression that there is a really good progress - do I need to resubmit it even though? <dpm> cielak, afaik, it's up to the app developers to resubmit their apps for a new distro series. I'm mentioning it because I had a look through the queue and say yours as 'Published' on https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/arb/?state=Published rather than on 'Pending Review' (https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/arb/) - of course, I'm just an outside observer, so if ajmitch is doing the review, he's got the final say and knows what he's talking about :) <dpm> so you might want to double check with him <cielak> dpm: right, it seems it will indeed be the best to get in touch with him - yet thanks for making me aware of this potential issue :) <dpm> np ;-) <dholbach> can somebody please have a look at lp:~dholbach/ubuntu-app-reviews/vm-lens and see if I made the changes correctly? <dholbach> (r2-5) <dholbach> ajmitch, wendar, highvoltage: ^ * highvoltage is checking it out now.. <highvoltage> dholbach: I'm a bit foggy on this, are unity lenses supposed to be in usr/bin/? (there's a usr/bin/unity-lens-vm in there) <highvoltage> (well, in the resulting binary package, at least) <dholbach> I compared it with the askubuntu package and that's how I came up with it <highvoltage> ok <highvoltage> the copyright file (and other related files) are now allowed to go into the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ directory, which we encourage now, but it's probably not strictly necessary <dholbach> that'll make the package easier to review :) <highvoltage> dholbach: looks good to me <dholbach> highvoltage, also the usr/bin/ thing? <highvoltage> dholbach: well, I'm a bit fuzzy on that, I know there's *an* exception for unity lenses, just not sure which it is, but I guess that's it. but if ajmitch/wendar/stgraber can confirm then it will get a +1 from me <highvoltage> http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3pnn9e/ <highvoltage> I hate it when people do that <stgraber> highvoltage, dholbach: everything that can should go in /opt, exceptions are the dbus service file, the lens/scopes files and the usual /usr/share/doc/<package name>/ stuff <stgraber> anything outside of /opt needs to be properly namespaced using the package name to avoid any potential conflict <dholbach> stgraber, highvoltage: I just updated the branch - is it better now? <stgraber> (/usr/share/doc/<package name>/ does it by design, the others should use <package name>_ as filenames, or similar) <stgraber> dholbach: I'll let highvoltage look at it, I'm quite busy this week and need to get some lunch if I want to still be somewhat productive this afternoon <dholbach> stgraber, bon appetit <highvoltage> dholbach: that looks perfect <highvoltage> dholbach: (although I haven't tested the actual lens) <dholbach> perfect <dholbach> how would I follow up in the discussion with the updated app? <dholbach> highvoltage, ^ <highvoltage> dholbach: the right place for that is probably https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/807/ <dholbach> ok * highvoltage adds link to bzr branch to there <dholbach> on the feedback page? <highvoltage> yep <highvoltage> oh I see I can't just add comments... <highvoltage> dholbach: I guess you're asking more for the submitter than yourself? <highvoltage> I'll put it to vote on the arb list, I think you're on there, at least <dholbach> yes, I'm on there - it just wasn't clear to me where discussion happens <dholbach> and where I'd say "here's a branch, can somebody double check?" <asomething> comments on the feedback page don't send any email to the list. I think there's a bug for that somewhere <dholbach> ah yes <highvoltage> dholbach: I send an email to the list putting it to a vote <highvoltage> s/send/sent/g <dholbach> highvoltage, you're a hero <dholbach> it was nice to see that it wasn't actually that hard with a good example to look at <ajmitch> highvoltage: did you see a file in /usr/bin in the AU lens? <highvoltage> ajmitch: dholbach fixed it in the last revision <ajmitch> in the au lens or the vm lens? <highvoltage> oops, vm lens <highvoltage> ajmitch: au lens? <ajmitch> highvoltage: askubuntu lens, sorry <ajmitch> for some reason my laptop just locked up... <ajmitch> or at least X did, I can still ssh in * ajmitch doesn't like the look of those errors in syslog #ubuntu-arb 2012-06-13 <ajmitch> highvoltage: checked over the vm lens, first thing I spotted was mentioned by stgraber earlier - files outside of /opt need to be namespaced, so directories should be like /usr/share/unity/lenses/extra-unity-lens-vm/ <ajmitch> & /usr/share/dbus-1/services/extras-unity-lens-vm.service * ajmitch shall reply on list as well <dpm> good morning all <dholbach> good morning <dholbach> ajmitch, highvoltage, dpm, does https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/AppsBranches look alright to you? <dholbach> it's not yet linked from anywhere, but I wanted to put it out there nonetheless <dpm> dholbach, looking... <dpm> dholbach, looks good. 2 things: it might be worth mentioning from which myapps queues (needs information, pending review, etc) it pulls apps from, and a bit more information on the purpose of the tool (i.e. same as we were taling about the other day: making it easier to contribute to reviews, etc) <dholbach> dpm, yes, makes sense <dholbach> thanks dpm <dholbach> updated <highvoltage> dholbach: it certainly looks very useful, can't think of anything that should change <dholbach> ok cool <dholbach> What is the process for joining the ARB helpers team? <dholbach> I think it'd be good to invite a couple more people to help out <dholbach> highvoltage, ajmitch, wendar: ^ do you know? <highvoltage> I can't remember seeing a wiki page about it. Might be a good idea to set that up with all the details. (I think currently they have to request to join the LP team and poke one of the admins of the team) <dholbach> ok, I'll blog about it - if you want, you could just take the text and stick it on the right wiki page? :) <dholbach> I'll also suggest to join the IRC channel, mailing list and add some notes <highvoltage> dholbach: sounds good! you're making me feel bad for not having more time for things like that... but thanks for doing so :) <dholbach> if we get more hands on board that should help :) <dholbach> and don't feel bad :) <dholbach> highvoltage, dpm, mhall119: how does http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/apps-a-success.html look? <highvoltage> dholbach: looks good <dholbach> sweet <dholbach> dpm, mhall119: do you think you could advertise http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/2012/06/making-apps-in-ubuntu-a-success/ with the ubuntuappdev accounts? <mhall119> dpm: I'll post it on FB and G+, if you can tweet it <dholbach> fantastic <dpm> thanks mhall119, I'll tweet in a minute. Sorry dholbach for the delay, I'm on a conversation with steveedwards to set up the landing page <dholbach> no worries <ajmitch> morning #ubuntu-arb 2012-06-14 <ajmitch> highvoltage: finally got around to replying on-list :) <highvoltage> ajmitch: ah, nice feedback, thanks <ajmitch> I should actually have some free time tonight to add the metadata back into the askubunt-lens & beg for votes again * ajmitch was going to do it last night, but got caught up helping a friend with his compsci study :) <highvoltage> oh I could write the book on "was going to do that last night, but..." <ajmitch> I have this funny feeling that the majority of the ARB are a little busy right now:) <ajmitch> hah <ajmitch> yeah I got a phone call last night asking for study help, he had his exam today <ajmitch> how's edubuntu stuff coming along? :) <highvoltage> ajmitch: it's going ok <highvoltage> where "ok" means "quite well actually" <ajmitch> great <highvoltage> ajmitch: we finally have our zatabs ordered. I need to poke the zentyal guys to find out how the schooltool integration is going <ajmitch> at least someone's getting things done, I've still got a few works items to tackle :) <ajmitch> do you know how the ubuntu on zatab work is going? <highvoltage> ajmitch: we have some good package selection updates so far, still need to add a mindmapping tool, probably going with vym since all the other nice ones are in java. kubuntu got 'pairs' in the archives today so we need to add that to seeds too. <highvoltage> ajmitch: it's been a while since I spoke to Darkwing, I haven't seen him on IRC recently. last I heard it booted Ubuntu fine but with a black screen <highvoltage> ajmitch: I wouldn't be surprised if that's been fixed by now <highvoltage> ajmitch: you run android on yours? <ajmitch> yeah I've got to find out how to get an image onto the microsd & get ubuntu booting <ajmitch> still android on it, yes <ajmitch> it's a little slow at times <ajmitch> back in a few <dholbach> good morning <dholbach> ajmitch, thanks for the review <dholbach> ajmitch, I was quite sure that something still was broken about it, so I'll have another look :) <ajmitch> heh ok :) <dholbach> ajmitch, and thanks for the feedback on the apps-brancher bug reports <ajmitch> sorry I didn't file that bug that I mentioned, I was using my tablet at the time :) <dholbach> ah yes :) <dholbach> no worries <ajmitch> with all the branches being writable by the contributors team, we may want to think about who we let join <ajmitch> at the moment the only admin is dpm, I think <ajmitch> who shows up as soon as I mention him... <dholbach> ajmitch, the apps-brancher is not very clever about branches, right now it just pushes them regardless of what's in there - I saw the branches as a basis to start working on <dholbach> so I don't have to worry about merging things back, auto-accepting merge proposals, etc etc <ajmitch> dholbach: the bug about repacking .deb packages might be useful for languages like python, but we'd definitely ask for source for anything compiled <dholbach> ajmitch, totally <dholbach> ajmitch, that's why I had a look at the dotdeb backend <dholbach> but it seems like it still needs a bit of work <dpm> good morning all <dholbach> I looked into packaging it, so we can install it on holba.ch, but something didn't work and I had to move on to other things <dholbach> also there's a PDF pkgme backend which might be nice to have <ajmitch> .jar files would always be compiled bytecode afaik, so I think you won't need to spend effort on importing those for open source apps <dholbach> yes, that makes sense <dholbach> what I love is that we exercise all parts of the infrastructure, so that should help fixing bugs <ajmitch> PDFs, we currently don't handle pure-content submissions <dholbach> ah, good to know <ajmitch> the ARB (currently) has a fairly limited set of apps to approve <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Review/Guidelines has the summary we agreed on at the top * ajmitch thinks most of the problems are people finding time to work on reviewing <ajmitch> thanks for the quick summary of low-hanging fruit there <dholbach> cool, I'm glad it's useful <dholbach> I'll get back to work on the vm lens in a bit * ajmitch isn't entirely sure of what limitations you'd have on myapps, I don't think there are many <ajmitch> as someone in the contributors team, about the only thing you wouldn't be able to do is push to the PPA <dholbach> and that's totally fine <dholbach> I still feel I have to learn the ropes :) <ajmitch> right, just something to keep in mind for people wanting to help out, I think :) * ajmitch needs to take a week off work to catch up with everything :) <dholbach> ajmitch, I hope we can invite some folks into helping out <dholbach> ajmitch, also dpm is preparing a few "app dev days" next week - maybe it'd be worth having a session about how to help the ARB <dholbach> or demo'ing how the average app is /opt-ified <ajmitch> possibly useful <dholbach> reboot, brb <dholbach> ajmitch, would you have any more use-cases for https://bugs.launchpad.net/pkgme/+bug/1013083? <ajmitch> dholbach: version for debian/changelog can be pulled from a few places <dholbach> ah yes * ajmitch can't think of anything else right now <ajmitch> I'm sure there'll be other things that can be deduced <dholbach> yes, I think so too <dholbach> I just had a quick call with jml about the bug <dholbach> and I'll try to put together a hack which can deal with this maybe :) <ajmitch> like detecting the existence of test suites, but I think dh handles that pretty well at the moment <dholbach> the discussion came up in https://bugs.launchpad.net/pkgme/+bug/1004505 <ajmitch> a whole pile of examples there :) <dholbach> they're all knitted the same way IIRC <dholbach> I think this would help turn pkgme into a swiss-army knife for packaging <dholbach> which would be nice <dholbach> forget about running dh-make, use pkgme instead :-D <ajmitch> people will still come up with weird & wonderful ways to structure their upstream source <dholbach> and then we'll improve pkgme :) <ajmitch> arghl dput * ajmitch really has to change the default target for when arguments are passed in the wrong order * ajmitch sees a 72MB submission that's most likely going to have to be rejected <ajmitch> dholbach: I think with your imported branches, we need a way of adding reviewer-only comments on the myapps submissions so that I can hit the queue & look at a branch linked from a comment there <dholbach> ajmitch, yeah, that'd be nice <dholbach> can you add a comment? <dholbach> maybe we can find a clever regex before we can talk the myapps into providing a minimal api :) <ajmitch> yeah <ajmitch> think about what we need before we file too many bug reports :) <dholbach> and if we hack it together so it works and we can use it for a while and see how it works for us, it'll be easier to convince the myApps team :) <ajmitch> ok, I've asked for info for a few apps that had .deb submissions & sent out a nag email for votes <ajmitch> dholbach: do you have the appropriate superpowers to invite me to the ubuntu organisation on trello? * ajmitch wonders how we should handle the diversity of (human) languages that we seem to be getting in apps :) <dholbach> ajmitch, awesome <dholbach> let me see if I do <dholbach> ajmitch, no, I don't think I do - but jcastro should <dholbach> maybe dpm too? <dpm> dholbach, what's up? I got disconnected and I can't read the backlog <dholbach> <ajmitch> dholbach: do you have the appropriate superpowers to invite me to the ubuntu organisation on trello? <dpm> I don't have supercow Trello powers, I'm afraid <dpm> jcastro has <ajmitch> jono: this app showdown is going to put a fair bit of pressure on getting a number of apps reviewed & published if (community) voting doesn't start until they're done <jono> ajmitch, what do you mean? <ajmitch> while it ought to be a lot easier to bash the packages into shape if they're all using quickly, we haven't had many people voting lately <jono> right <ajmitch> I like the contest idea, I just worry that it'll bottleneck on 3 or 4 of us <jono> so dholbach is going to help grow arb-helpers to get people helping with any packaging issues (should be minimal as we require quickly), but yeah, it will require the ARB to be responsive to votes <jono> I am sure we can expedite it fairly quickly though <jono> I think it will be awesome to bring all these new apps in :-) <ajmitch> we'll just have to work hard to clear the current queue as much as possible before then * ajmitch should really run off to work before he's late :) <ajmitch> I'll be back online in a few <ajmitch> so I guess I probably won't be able to enter the competition? :) #ubuntu-arb 2012-06-15 <dpm> hi everyone <dholbach> good morning #ubuntu-arb 2012-06-16 <mhall119> wendar: ajmitch: stgraber: if you guys want to be on the upstream targets trello board, please send me your usernames <wendar> mhall119: looks like you already found mine, thanks! <mhall119> :) <ajmitch> mhall119: just djennings@example.org <mhall119> ajmitch: thanks <ajmitch> thank you <mhall119> thanks everyone for getting the AskUbuntu lens published! * ajmitch wonders how long before it shows up in the software center <mhall119> I don't know, I've been checking already though ;) <ajmitch> copying across to extras.u.c is automatic but not instant <mhall119> <whine>but I want it nooooowwwww</whine> <ajmitch> sorry :) <mhall119> no you're not <ajmitch> no, I'm impatient as well * ajmitch saw a couple of other submissions that were nearly 100% there, just some small tweaks to make <ajmitch> they were submitted with most of the files in /opt/extras.ubuntu.com as required, which is great <ajmitch> less patching to do <mhall119> btw, I sent dholbach an MP to fix the vm-lens <mhall119> having them in bzr branches makes that so easy <ajmitch> great, thanks <mhall119> w 25 <highvoltage>  <ajmitch> highvoltage: I agree <highvoltage> good, having that arguement would've taken us a whole month. #ubuntu-arb 2012-06-18 <PaoloRotolo> Hi all! <dholbach> good morning <PaoloRotolo> dholbach, Hello! <dholbach> hi PaoloRotolo <ajmitch> dholbach: rebuilding the vm lens now, thanks for updating it <ajmitch> file list looks good, I'll need to install & test it which I can't do right now :) <ajmitch> aside from my lack of testing, it looks good :) <PaoloRotolo> dpm, good morning <PaoloRotolo> dpm, I have a problem with the ubuntu app developer portal :) It's impossible to deselect an item from the "Blacklist" or the "Whitelist". <PaoloRotolo> http://ubuntuone.com/2tkzpO4ued9a5mQ9mp2TRd <PaoloRotolo> Should I report a bug? <dholbach> ajmitch, awesome - thanks <dpm> hi PaoloRotolo, yes please. Could you file a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-portal/ ? Thanks! <PaoloRotolo> dpm, yes of course, thanks! <dpm> thank you :) <PaoloRotolo> Here it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-portal/+bug/1014609 <BerndSch> Hello, I'm waiting to get my app into the precise software store since the beta of 12.04. Would be nice to get some feedback or better I would like to see my app in the software center ;-) https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/548/ <ajmitch> did that not get published for precise? I saw a call for votes on the list about it <ajmitch> I'll chase it up & see <BerndSch> ajmitch: thanks. I couldn't see it in my software center <ajmitch> it's not the only one I need to follow up on, sorry about the delays #ubuntu-arb 2012-06-19 <dpm> good morning <ajmitch> morning dpm <dpm> hey ajmitch, how's it going? <ajmitch> good, just in a meeting for organising kiwi pycon at the moment :) <ajmitch> & dreading the oncoming rush of submissions to review through myapps with this app showdown :) <ajmitch> it looks like there's a decent amount of interest in the competition <dholbach> good morning <ajmitch> hi dholbach <dholbach> hey ajmitch <dholbach> how are you doing? <ajmitch> good, how are you? :) <dholbach> I might need another espresso to fully wake up, but life's good :) <ajmitch> excellent :) * ajmitch is at a kiwi pycon planning meeting, almost done <dholbach> cool <dholbach> when is the next ARB meeting? <ajmitch> last friday of the month <ajmitch> so the 29th <ajmitch> hopefully we get people showing up <dholbach> which time? <ajmitch> let me check, but iirc it's 21:00 UTC <ajmitch> are you planning to show up, or try & drag others along? <dholbach> 21UTC is a nightmare on a friday :) <dholbach> I'd love to attend, but I guess I'll resort to reading the logs <ajmitch> yeah it's better for me than 18:00 UTC, which was 6AM saturday morning <dholbach> yeah, that's totally understandable <ajmitch> we've had 3, maybe 4 people showing up * ajmitch has to head out now, but will talk to you later on <dholbach> rock on! <dpm> hi ajmitch, sorry, I god sidetracked. Yeah, apart from the work that it will require, I'm really looking forward to more app submissions for the contest :) Them being in PPAs should make it easier to review them * ajmitch understands getting sidetracked all too well :) <dpm> :) <ajmitch> Swap: 9149436k total, 9149436k used, 0k free, 24012k cached <ajmitch> oops <ajmitch> dpm: you've got some experience with translations - how do you think we should handle the packages that we get that aren't in english? It doesn't quite seem right to have to make people submit their descriptions & everything in english so that we can review the app <malin> could some please review this app soon? https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/782/ <ajmitch> malin: yes, it's on the list to look at <malin> ajmitch: thanx :) * ajmitch took a look over it earlier today but hasn't checked out much further than that <malin> ah :) <ajmitch> as in, I built it, looked at where the files went, checked debian/copyright, but haven't installed & tested :) <dpm> ajmitch, I would still require them to submit the description and info in English. They cannot expect that a team of volunteers know every single language, so I'd suggest sticking to English as the common ground. Ideally, what they should do is to make their app translatable, so that it can be used in their language, English, and any other * ajmitch seems to be seeing more & more in other languages <dholbach> thanks ajmitch <ajmitch> dholbach: np <dholbach> :) <ajmitch> so many more in the queue to look at... <dholbach> once I've taken care of a few other things, I'll grab another one of the low-hanging fruit list <ajmitch> ok <ajmitch> there were a couple that I saw which looked mostly ok, installing under /opt/extras.ubuntu.com <ajmitch> hivemind & dino were a couple that should be almost there <ajmitch> the sshsearch lens update for precise got overlooked somehow, there was a call for votes on the list last month & it got no further * ajmitch just pinged the list about that one <dholbach> oopsie, just fixed a bug in the apps-brancher and re-running it again <dholbach> https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-reviews should have some more branches in a bit <dholbach> maybe we should have another discussion on the ML to see how useful it is and how we can improve it to do what we want <ajmitch> I have to confess I haven't been using it that much, because I tend to just go to the myapps submission * dholbach nods <ajmitch> it's still useful to have a branch, but most of the ones I've been looking at recently have an existing branch, or I've just done the initial download, look over & build from the source package * ajmitch hasn't been doing much packaging touchups where it's more useful to have the history <dholbach> it'd be great if we could get it to the point where it knows exactly what to grab <dholbach> and if it'd show a bit cleverer kind of dashboard of what worked and what didn't <ajmitch> & to link it from the submission rather than remembering where to go for the branch <dholbach> yep <dholbach> and since we're in the brainstorming pie-in-the-sky department already - to have a Trello-like overview board would be awesome too <highvoltage> ajmitch: the unity vm lens and the ssh search lens... I think I voted +1 on both but can't remember if it was a previous iteration of it <highvoltage> ajmitch: what should I do? <dholbach> highvoltage, I just know about the vm lens - you voted +1 for it when there were still some problems - maybe you just follow up and say "+1 again" if you're happy with it <highvoltage> ok <highvoltage> dholbach: sorry for not spotting those namespace things before, I knew about them but didn't think of it with the last review <dholbach> highvoltage, don't worry - I also learnt something new :) <highvoltage> I'll make a lens review checklist :) <dholbach> I hope one day we can codify those checklists into tools, so we're less prone to run into these problems <highvoltage> I don't know how well lintian works and if it supports plugins, but I guess it would be nice if there were a way for lintian to just do it <highvoltage> wow that sentence was horrible <dholbach> no, it was quite understandable :) <highvoltage> I meant, "I don't unsterstand much of how lintian works..." <ajmitch> highvoltage: I was just going off what I saw in the mailing list, I only saw 2 votes for sshsearch lens, and had the author of it asking where it was at yesterday <highvoltage> ajmitch: k #ubuntu-arb 2012-06-20 <dholbach> good morning <dpm> morning! <ajmitch> hi dpm, dholbach <dholbach> hey ajmitch <dpm> hi ajmitch, how's the kiwi pycon organization coming along? <ajmitch> good, we're getting there :) <dpm> :) <ajmitch> it's in september, so it's awfully close <ajmitch> pity that we couldn't get canonical to sponsor it though ;) <dholbach> ajmitch, maybe it'd be a good idea to talk about what the ARB does at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable <ajmitch> it might be, if someone has time - that's early morning for me, so I won't hold myself to it yet :) <ajmitch> well, from 3AM-10AM, so I may have some free time before work in the morning, I'll keep it in mind * ajmitch sleeps <dholbach> good night :) <dholbach> can somebody try to help me see what I'm missing in lp:~dholbach/ubuntu-app-reviews/cooking-lens? <dholbach> nevermind, it seems to work now <dholbach> ajmitch, wendar, highvoltage: do you think at some stage you could have a look at lp:~dholbach/ubuntu-app-reviews/cooking-lens? <dholbach> mhall119, ok, it seems after restarting my session, the lens shows up :) <wendar> dholbach: yeah, that's one of the limitations of lenses, they only show up after a restart <stgraber> it's a pretty annoying limitations as it's been confusing quite a few people lately <mhall119> anybody know which lens dholbach was referring to? <stgraber> mhall119: I assumed ti was his cooking lens <mhall119> ok <BerndSch> ajmitch: are there any updates to my sshsearch lens? <ajmitch> BerndSch: I pinged the mailing list for people to vote on it, I haven't heard any further from the others <BerndSch> ajmitch: ok, thanks <BerndSch> ajmitch: why do they have to vote on it? What do they vote for? <ajmitch> all app reviews get voted on before they're uploaded to extras.ubuntu.com <ajmitch> at the moment it's just been a little slow as people have been busy, though we shouldn't have had one be missed like yours. I'm sorry about that #ubuntu-arb 2012-06-21 <ajmitch> jono: so are there restrictions on arb members entering this competition? :) <ajmitch> apart from a lack of spare time <jono> ajmitch, no, go ahead :-) <ajmitch> oh good, though I'm dubious if I'll have a decent amount of time to implement what I want <dholbach> good morning <ajmitch> morning dholbach <dholbach> hey ajmitch <dholbach> ajmitch, I found http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dholbach/ubuntu-app-reviews/cooking-lens/revision/2 very depressing <dholbach> (the amount of stuff which needed to change) <dholbach> it's not like pkgme could have dealt with this easily <ajmitch> sorry about that <dholbach> no no <dholbach> it's not your fault :) <dholbach> it looks like quickly + pkgme will need to get taught about extras and stuff <ajmitch> we're sort of limited in what we can accept outside /opt <dholbach> yeah, I know * ajmitch wants an easy way to not have file collisions, things like arkose using overlayfs are great for standalone apps but not for lenses that need to extend another package in the archive <dholbach> one thing I wasn't sure about with the lens above was if it should suggest or enhance gourmet or something <ajmitch> gourmet is the scope? <ajmitch> lens can suggest scopes, scopes should enhance lenses imo <dholbach> no, gourmet is a separate package <ajmitch> right * ajmitch looks it up <dholbach> all cooking scopes+lens are in the same package <ajmitch> same binary package? <dholbach> yes <ajmitch> they're probably related enough that it's the preferred option <ajmitch> how do they relate to gourmet? <dholbach> I'm not 100% sure <dholbach> ah yes, the gourmet scope watches out for ~/.gourmet/recipes.db <dholbach> so we could suggest it - still the lens will be useful without it <ajmitch> yeah, a suggests sounds enough <dholbach> I think I should get another espresso <dholbach> the suggests was already in there <ajmitch> :) <dholbach> nevermind then <dholbach> la lala la * ajmitch hugs dholbach :) <dholbach> so as far as I'm concerned the package is ready :) <ajmitch> excellent :) * ajmitch spotted a wikipedia lens in the list to be looked at as well... :) <dpm> ajmitch, there are a few apps that I've spotted that would make sense to move to the CA team queue: <dpm> https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/791 <dpm> Muktware manual: a PDF, so doesn't qualify as an ARB app <dholbach> ajmitch, highvoltage, wendar, stgraber: how do I put an app I worked on up for team review? <dpm> https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/757/ <dpm> Handbrake: too big an app (need to check if it comes from the real upstream) <dpm> https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/950/ <dpm> OpsView Core: too big an app too <dpm> I'll move them to the CA queue <dholbach> I updated https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/987/feedback/ - was that the right thing to do? <dholbach> how can it be moved to another queue? <ajmitch> dpm: ok, thank you * ajmitch moved the full circle submission over, but hadn't got around to the others yet <ajmitch> dholbach: it needed to be done on the review page, with the 'need more info' button <dholbach> hum * ajmitch logs in to see if he can move it <dholbach> ok <dpm> ajmitch, no worries, I've moved 2 of them, and for Handbrake I'll request more info, as I'm not sure the submitter is associated in any way with upstream <ajmitch> dpm: that was the impression I got as well <ajmitch> the skype language pack, it's another one that looked like it was probably just content, and for a non-free app at that <dpm> ajmitch, do you think it makes sense to swap queues for it, or reject it? <ajmitch> probably swap queues, if it's something that might be useful to people <ajmitch> I don't know if the CA team likes having free apps to work on or not :) <dpm> they package them, yes <dpm> https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/958/ <dpm> Another PDF I'll send their way ^ <ajmitch> yep <dholbach> https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/930/ has license proprietary <ajmitch> so you suggest that for free apps that are rather large, like https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/921/, that I push them to the commercial queue? <ajmitch> dholbach: interesting, that shouldn't be able to go into the ARB queue <dholbach> they submitted a .deb anyway <ajmitch> yeah, that's common for any license :) <dholbach> https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/921/ is huge and a binary tarball - probably not suited for the ARB anyway <ajmitch> it's huge because it's a rather large eclipse addon, so would be hard to package properly <dholbach> yeah, it should probably be rejected <dpm> has the askubuntu lens been uploaded? It's got 3 votes already <ajmitch> dpm: yes, and marked as published in the arb queue <dpm> ajmitch, it seems it's still marked as pending review: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/815/ <ajmitch> hm <ajmitch> 2 submissions for it <ajmitch> https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/505/ is published <dpm> sorry, review in progres, I meant <dpm> ajmitch, is there any way to mark https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/815/ as published, though? That's the version of the latest maintainer, if I'm not mistaken <ajmitch> yeah I'm trying to do that now <dpm> cool :) <ajmitch> ok, it shows as published now <dpm> excellent, another one off the queue! * ajmitch didn't spot the 2nd one there <ajmitch> thanks for doing the queue cleanup, btw :) <dpm> no worries, happy to help the little I can :) <dpm> ajmitch, cielak wanted to publish https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/589/ in Precise, and I told him to resubmit. He said you were working on the Precise version. What are the next steps for this one? Are we waiting on his resubmission or are we good to go? <ajmitch> we're waiting on votes, see the mailing list <ajmitch> it's probably about time I sent out another ping for votes <dpm> ah, yeah, I had missed that <ajmitch> same with sshsearch lens <ajmitch> there are a couple of others I'll try & get to this weekend & beg for votes on :) <dpm> yes, it might make sense to send a friendly reminders already <dpm> ajmitch, https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/654/ looks like a very cool, but complex app, shall I move it to the CA queue? <ajmitch> at a glance it didn't look overly complex, it just didn't build when initially submitted <ajmitch> still a fair bit of code, but as a game I think it was manageable, just needed the /opt love <dpm> ok <dpm> https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/236/ - that one can be marked as published, right? * ajmitch needs a good place to write some of these reviewer comments <ajmitch> I saw that one tonight, and was going to check the version in extras vs what the author has <ajmitch> if it needs an update, we need to do it, but I know it was published at one point <ajmitch> by the version numbers, I think it needs an update (and tedious re-vote, etc) <dpm> ok, that's weird, though. I thought once published, the Published state was sticky and new uploads only appeared as pending change requests in the main queue page. MyApps weirdness... <ajmitch> it confuses me still <dpm> this guy seems to be submitting stuff on behalf of the upstream authors, but I suspect without their knowledge: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/988/ <ajmitch> ok, I wasn't sure whether there was any relationship with upstream or not, I'd downloaded it to have a look at it <dpm> I requested info <ajmitch> thanks, I'm not great at explaining myself in those requests ;) <dpm> ajmitch, ah, I see what happened with this app: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/236/feedback/ - you're right, the author submitted a new version after it got published. The reason the status didn't stay sticky as Published is because it was never set as Published. In any case, nothing to worry about. How do app updates work? Do they need to be re-voted too? <dpm> ah, from what you're saying above, it seems re-vote is needed <ajmitch> from what I understand, yes <dpm> oh, a Quickly app! https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/947/ <ajmitch> we do have some <dpm> ajmitch, what do you think we should do with these? Is pending QA the right status? I think it would make sense to mark the first one as Published and the rest as Pending Review: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/arb/?state=QAPending <dpm> what do you think? * ajmitch saw wendar had updated the music scopes in the staging PPA a few days ago <ajmitch> it's just gone midnight here, I won't be around for long :) <ajmitch> I *think* the first one has been published for precise <dpm> dholbach, do you think it might make sense to update rmadison from the ubuntu-dev-tools to check on extras.u.c as well? It would be very useful in these cases, I think <dholbach> probably <ajmitch> you can just check the PPA on launchpad.net/~app-review-board <dpm> I thought it had been published in Precise, but apparently it hasn't - https://launchpad.net/~app-review-board/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=precise <ajmitch> I'll need to check the history for why that got missed, I swear there were more than those published for precise :) <ajmitch> there's a thread from april about it, there were issues with desktopcouch <ajmitch> remind me to chase that up tomorrow <dpm> ok, thanks ajmitch :) <dholbach> brb <dholbach> it'd be great if somebody could review https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/959/ <dholbach> I pushed a branch with a few small changes <dholbach> as far as I can see are the -vm, -cooking and -wikipedia lens all ready for vote now <dholbach> and with that I should probably head out for lunch :) <ajmitch> dholbach: would check them out, but need sleep. please remind me about them tomorrow & I'll vote on them :) <ajmitch> & thank you for working on them :) <dholbach> no worries <dholbach> they were all low hanging fruit <dholbach> and the good news is: there's more in the queue :-D <ajmitch> yippee <ajmitch> ok, good night :) <dholbach> good night <dholbach> highvoltage, stgraber, wendar: if you have a bit of time and can have a look at the -vm, -cooking and -wikipedia lenses, that'd be sweet <malin> ajmitch: installed and tested my app yet? #ubuntu-arb 2012-06-22 <dholbach> good morning <dholbach> ajmitch, in the hivemind review you said you'd push some changes into a branch somewhere, but I couldn't find it <dholbach> ajmitch, is lp:~dholbach/ubuntu-app-reviews/hivemind what you're thinking of? <dholbach> hey dpm <dpm> hi dholbach <dholbach> can somebody please help me with https://bugs.launchpad.net/apps-brancher/+bug/1012064 last comment? <dholbach> I think that'd make the apps-brancher loads more useful <dholbach> wendar, stgraber, highvoltage: if I feel an app is ready to go after I worked on it, should I send a [vote] mail to the list? <dholbach> I'm not sure how I can put it up for review by you :) <highvoltage> dholbach: good question. usually it was the arb members who did it, but personally I would like it if we could have a much larger pool of people who can do that, since reviewing it is a lot less work than actually getting it to the phase where it's ready for [vote] <highvoltage> dholbach: I'd say we should at least extend being able to send a [vote] mail to arb-helpers and perhaps also members of ubuntu-dev <dholbach> lp:~dholbach/ubuntu-app-reviews/hivemind should be close, lp:~dholbach/ubuntu-app-reviews/wikipedia-lens, lp:~dholbach/ubuntu-app-reviews/vm-lens, lp:~dholbach/ubuntu-app-reviews/cooking-lens should be ready <wendar> dholbach: yes, certainly arb-helpers should be able to request a vote <dholbach> wendar, and if I'd just like to have someone look over it? sometimes nobody on IRC responded - should I ask for reviews on the list in those cases? <wendar> dholbach: well, a call for vote is a request for others to look over it <wendar> dholbach: we all do a code review as part of the vote <dholbach> ok cool <wendar> dholbach: if you have any specific concerns, you can always mention them in the [vote] email <dholbach> lp:~dholbach/ubuntu-app-reviews/hivemind I'm not 100% sure about <dholbach> but the others I'm happy to submit <wendar> dholbach: okay, sounds good. and we can talk through hivemind on IRC or email <wendar> (email is slower, but gets the attention of more people) <dholbach> thanks <dholbach> so yeah, I'd appreciate if somebody could have a look at lp:~dholbach/ubuntu-app-reviews/hivemind #ubuntu-arb
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