#kubuntu-devel 2006-02-01 <jsgotangco> Riddell, yay for 3.5.1 :) * _enfact is away: Away at the moment <murr> err.. i'm sorry if i'm not supposed to ask here, but are these packages ready for use already http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351/ ? they seem to be for breezy(?) <Tm_T> murr: tietkseni ei ole viel "julkista" <Tm_T> murr: so prolly isn't yet for everyday-use <murr> Tm_T: joten paketointi viel jotenkin kesken tms.? <Tm_T> murr: wait Riddell, he'll tell if he need testers ;) <Tm_T> when they <murr> ok. i just did a clean breezy install and was wondering if i should install 3.5 or - as i noticed it's there - 3.51 <Tm_T> re test installed, might be ready to publish <Tm_T> murr: aye, if you like to help, wait riddell <murr> hmm.. if it's possible that they are still somehow horribly broken, i think i'll install 3.5 then ;) <murr> i could test them myself, but this is not my machine <Tm_T> hehe <Tm_T> well, they might be ok, I have no idea <Tm_T> I'm using dapper and KDE 3.5.1 <murr> hm <Riddell> murr: they're still in testing but there's been no problem reports so far <Tm_T> :) <Tm_T> hi sir * Tm_T hides <murr> Riddell: so the repository is not incomplete or anything like that? <murr> if that's the case, i think i'll install it then. i thank thee all very much <Tm_T> murr: you're welcome :) <Tm_T> murr: haven't seen you in finnish channels ;( <murr> Tm_T: hehe, that's because this is not my nick. at least not all of it ;) <Tm_T> ah ok <Riddell> murr: let me know if you have any problems <Tm_T> undercover I see... ;) <murr> Riddell: i will <murr> Tm_T: hehe, in a way, maybe :) <jpatrick> Riddell: i think we've got a splash screen and kdm theme for Dapper... <Riddell> hmm? <jpatrick> You know the ones we were talking about a few days ago <jpatrick> I have no problem with GPLing my themes and would be honored to have them included in Dapper. I will be sure to update the splash and KDM themes in the next day or so to reflect a change to GPL. <Riddell> cool <Riddell> I do really like the themes <Riddell> but we need moodin in main first <jpatrick> he also said "I'm also working on a updated version of these themes that should be finished and uploaded to kde-look by this weekend so be sure to check them out too." <Riddell> and canonical may be getting some stuff made professionally that might overlap it <Riddell> but great, thanks for contacting him <jpatrick> no problem <hunger> Hmmm.... konqueror should really detect forwarding loops:-) <mornfall> *wibble* <Riddell> hunger: doesn't it? <Riddell> mornfall: what's up? <hunger> Riddell: Try http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/tip/16646.html <mornfall> CAV submission deadline today, everyone wonkies <Riddell> CAV? <mornfall> cav-conference.org <hunger> Riddell: konqueror keeps looping between two webpages when visiting this link... FF works:-( <Riddell> hunger: works for me <jpatrick> hunger: me too <hunger> Hmmm... It keeps switching between two urls for me:-/ <Riddell> hunger: KDE version? kubuntu version? <jpatrick> what konq version? <hunger> Riddell: dapper-kde351-testing debs. <hunger> Riddell: ... which work great in general by the way. <Riddell> same as me <jpatrick> hello raphink <hunger> Hmmm... what did I break now? <Riddell> Tonio_: new kdbus out <Riddell> raphink: fancy packaging clickspotter? <jpatrick> Riddell: I thought that last word was something else for a while ;) <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, let's update <Riddell> Tonio_: I've no idea if it'll need a UVF exception though <Riddell> jpatrick: hmm? <jpatrick> nm * Riddell sweet and innocent <Tonio_> Riddell: is kdbus uploaded ? <Tonio_> ho yes I received kathie's mail.... <Tonio_> Riddell: according to what I've seen, specific ubuntu packages can be uploaded. raphink uploaded soundkonverter without the need of exception.... <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm not sure, but I think exceptions are only for debian synchronized packages..... I can be wrong anyway... <Tonio_> Riddell: kdbus uploaded <hunger> Wow! You can finally resize the System Settings! <hunger> OK... only works when you resized the first view, but at least it does work. <hunger> Is there a way to stop konq from embedding kpdf? <hunger> Ah, found it:-) <jpatrick> excellent excellent :) <hunger> jpatrick: Sorry for spamming the channel... I should move to #ubuntu or something instead. <jpatrick> no! <hunger> jpatrick: OK, OK, I'll stay:-) <LeeJunFan> Riddell: not sure if it's cups or kde, but kde printer utils can't talk to cups server. <Riddell> LeeJunFan: yeah, cups 1.2 and kde don't talk well <Riddell> it's one of the larger issues facing dapper <LeeJunFan> crap, so far that's the only real issue I've got too. <LeeJunFan> Guess that's douglassanchez@example.org. <LeeJunFan> yeah, since configuring cups any other way just blows. <LeeJunFan> Riddell: well, that and the admin mode buttons being a pita again. <Riddell> LeeJunFan: what's up with them? <LeeJunFan> Riddell: well it's working now. hehe. Maybe it was just the printer module, could have sworn it happened on something else yesterday. I'll let you know. <LeeJunFan> Riddell: if I see it again on something that I know is working. <Riddell> please do <LeeJunFan> Riddell: kdeprint has nothing to do with this is it? http://tinyurl.com/87cck <LeeJunFan> Riddell: ah, I see. That's not a complete fix. <Riddell> LeeJunFan: it's related in so far as they're both caused by cups API changes <Riddell> but that fix is already in <kozz> what has happened with the KDE 3.5 packages for Breezy PPC? <Riddell> kozz: the machine got moved and we packages stayed behind <Riddell> kozz: breezy or dapper? <kozz> breezy, amu did earlier put some package online for testing <Riddell> kozz: please test these out... deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351/ breezy main <Riddell> hi kkathman <kkathman> howdy :) <Riddell> kkathman: if you want to write documentation talk to jjesse about what needs done <kozz> will try, I do not run breezy anymore, someone asked me :) <kozz> will come back to you with a report later <kozz> but thanks <kkathman> ok kewl be glad to <Riddell> kozz: please let me know how it goes <Riddell> kkathman: if you want to make packages I'm looking for someone to pack <Riddell> package clickspotter <Riddell> which is a curious one being ruby <jjesse> kkathman: working on finishing up the quickguide and also starting on hacking at the desktopguide... check out the wiki page on DocteamGettingStarted <Riddell> see KubuntuPackageGuide and numberous other places for info on how <kkathman> Riddell: im in one of those situations where I need to learn completely how...I have a breezy install right now <robotgeek> kkathman: you can join up with me :) <kkathman> I know sketchy how to <kkathman> jjesse and robotgeek just let me know what I can do <jjesse> Riddell: have you looked at the packaging guide that is in svn? its starting to rock from what i hear <Riddell> jjesse: no I haven't yet <Riddell> jjesse: is anything happeneing with the adept guide? <jjesse> kkathman: start off at DocteamGettingStarted and also just by reading the douglassanchez@example.org and start looking for changes <robotgeek> kkathman: i just picked it up, i think i will learn more about it in the meeting today. (maybe it's not in the agenda though) <kkathman> jjesse: okie dokie...I can just edit these if I find errors or what? <jjesse> Riddell: i sent a message to person who was working on it last and he was going to review it, haven't heard back from him <jjesse> kkathman: create a .diff and email it to me and i'll commit it ot the svn... after several quality commits we can give you commit access <kkathman> robotgeek: Hobbsee was starting to teach me...and then she left out <jjesse> Riddell: would you like me to take over it? i know mornfall wanted to move it up kde docs <Riddell> jjesse: I haven't seen any activity on it for a while, I think it's fine to be taken over <kkathman> jjesse: excellent. I'll take a look <robotgeek> kkathman: i gotta run now too, but we meet up in the evening? <kkathman> robotgeek: okie doke ! <robotgeek> kkathman: i should draft out a POA soon, i guess <kkathman> jjesse: email or wiki? Mine is wiki.ubuntu.com/KorkyKathman <kkathman> robotgeek: great...lets chat about that <robotgeek> so, we can split up work and stuff. <robotgeek> alrite, kkathman also /j #ubuntu-doc :) <kkathman> k <jjesse> kkathman: wiki.ubuntu.com/JonathanJesse <kkathman> thanks :) <KabelKasper> Riddell: Hi, I have a small problem with kooka from 3.5.1 <Riddell> KabelKasper: hmm? <KabelKasper> Riddell: it says that it can not find the sane installation. <KabelKasper> but libsane is installed <Riddell> do you have sane installed? <Riddell> hmm <KabelKasper> Riddell: but when it starts it asks me if i whant it to use my scanner <KabelKasper> kooka from 3.5.0 was ok <KabelKasper> Riddell: Ahhh, and thank you for the CD's. <Riddell> kooka doesn't even start for me <KabelKasper> ;) hihi <KabelKasper> Riddell: when i#m starting it out of the konsole it says: <KabelKasper> vloechte@alfred:~$ kooka <KabelKasper> [snapscan] Cannot open firmware file /path/to/your/firmware/file.bin. <KabelKasper> [snapscan] Edit the firmware file entry in snapscan.conf. <KabelKasper> Riddell: But before the upgrade it worked <Riddell> ah, linux problem then, not my departement :) <KabelKasper> :-D <Riddell> snapscan is part of sane <Riddell> report to malone I'd say <KabelKasper> Riddell: I'm still on breezy if thats of interrest <Riddell> oh, hmm <Riddell> check if xsane works? <KabelKasper> Riddell: i'll test xsane <kozz> Riddell: seems to work <kozz> there is however one thing, with gwenview <Riddell> kozz: hmm? <kozz> havent used gwenview before, using kview, but pictures in gwenview are kind of.. .yellow <kozz> when they are shrink <Riddell> kozz: what version of gwenview? <kozz> 1.2.0 <Riddell> kozz: known problem, ppc only <Riddell> kozz: fixed in dapper, try asking for a backport <Riddell> Mez: ^^ <kozz> ok, works on my main machine in dapper, but now when I tried in breezy I saw erros <KabelKasper> Riddell: Thats strange xsane says: error while opening the device snapscan:libusb:001:004 :-S But since last week i did nothing than updating KDE <kozz> Riddell: except for that, KDE 3.5.1 seems to work on PPC Breezy :) <Riddell> kozz: excellent, thanks a lot <Riddell> kozz: does kooka work by any chance? <kozz> it starts <kozz> but I don't have any scanner <kozz> v 0.44 <Riddell> ok, 1 step better than I have it <kozz> cool, kooka can try to scan with my tv-card <kozz> but it doens't work... ;) #kubuntu-devel 2006-02-02 <Tm_T> any of you have idea about font packages? <crimsun> what sort? <Tm_T> hum, I might provide two or three font packages for ubuntu <crimsun> your own? <Tm_T> nope, xfonts-base-transcoded and 100dpi and 75dpi <Tm_T> both are not in breezy nor dapper atm <crimsun> you'll want to ask Daniel [Stone] why they're not <Tm_T> ok <crimsun> I doubt he omitted them randomly <Tm_T> 22:08 #ubuntu-devel: < siretart> Tm_T: filing a bug is a good idea in any case <Tm_T> 23:19 #ubuntu-devel: < siretart> Tm_T: yes. or even better, provide a package ;) <Tm_T> I think they're dropped out because if your system is using utf-8 locales, you don't need them <Tm_T> and somebody is expecting we are do so <crimsun> that's essentially my thinking <Tm_T> but I (and tons of other people) does have ISO-8859-15 locales etc <Tm_T> but sure, I'll ask :) <Tm_T> but in the meantime, I (we) need packages <Tm_T> so, should I just take debian package and change location where fonts are installed to ubuntu way, or? <Tm_T> I just installed newest packages I found from debian mirrors and then copied files to right place <Tm_T> hum, maybe daniel can tell what I need to know ;( <crimsun> yep, at the very least you'll need to change the installation path <Tm_T> aye <Tm_T> I'll catch up daniel tomorrow then <LeeJunFan> Riddell: did something change in latest kde so that removing kubuntu-defaults and copying konqueror.rc no longer give back full functionality? * netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> brown.freenode.net <Hobbsee> hi everyone <mornfall> lalala <mornfall> i should mail mdz <Verwilst> hello! * Verwilst just downloaded flight 3 to reinstall his breezy desktop ;) <Hobbsee> er...ok then! <Hobbsee> to reinstall breezy? <Verwilst> my currently-breezy desktop into dapper ;) <Verwilst> i'm running 5 production servers on dapper now, so i think it's fit for my desktop too ;) <Hobbsee> ah, right, so you're taking off breezy, and sticking dapper on there, yes, right, that makes sense now <Hobbsee> i was wondering how you planned to install breezy from a dapper cd! <Verwilst> hehe * Verwilst wishes kdevelop had mono support <Verwilst> mornfall: how's the kde update-notifier coming? ;) <mornfall> Verwilst: it's sitting in my systray <mornfall> Verwilst: it's in dapper for ages now .p <Verwilst> screeniiiiieeee <Verwilst> oh <Verwilst> what's it called? :) <mornfall> adept-notifier <Verwilst> but not installed by default i guess? <mornfall> it is, just nothing to run it automatically <mornfall> well, it is part of adept package <Verwilst> ah <mornfall> at least i hope so :) <Hobbsee> hey, cool! it works! <Hobbsee> it's installed by default, yes <Verwilst> screeenshoooot <Verwilst> :p <Hobbsee> from me? <Verwilst> sure <Hobbsee> um <Hobbsee> well....seeing as it doesnt seem to *update* the apt-get list, then of course there's nothing to upgrade <JRe> mornfall: tough, I have errors with adept when I try to fetch updates <mornfall> JRe: current dapper? <JRe> mornfall: yep <mornfall> there should be a new version <Hobbsee> testing it out, after a manual sudo apt-get update... <JRe> mornfall: the one I have is 1.89ubuntu3 <Verwilst> it's the last one according to packages.ubuntu.com <Hobbsee> Adept Updater: 1.88.1 Wibble (alpha 1.5) is my current one <Verwilst> well, here goes my install! see ya in a bit! <robotgeek_work> Hobbsee: ping <Hobbsee> robotgeek_work: pong <robotgeek_work> Hobbsee: i'm working on the Kubuntu Desktop guide, and i need to know if there are going to be Kubuntu Shipits <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping <Riddell> Hobbsee: pong <Riddell> robotgeek_work: assume yes <Hobbsee> robotgeek_work: I think they planned on it, but Riddell would be the one to answer that * Hobbsee waves to Riddell - i'm finally back! <Riddell> might have a better idea this time next week <Riddell> Hobbsee: yay! we missed you <Hobbsee> :) <robotgeek_work> thanks Riddell , i'm currently just hacking the Ubuntu Desktop Guide, and that's good news. I just have to search replace this section :) * Hobbsee missed everyone here too - was stuck with very horrible, patchy 30kbps dialup internet! <Hobbsee> and even that only a couple of times <robotgeek_work> hmm, i never know Kubuntu means "towards humanity" in Bemba. More changes, tsk tsk <robotgeek_work> one more for you Hobbsee . Kubuntu started with Hoary? or earlier/later? <Hobbsee> *thinks* <Hobbsee> robotgeek_work: ah, hoary <robotgeek_work> Hobbsee: thanks :) * Hobbsee kills yet another ant on her desk <Hobbsee> no problems <Riddell> yes, hoary <robotgeek_work> Riddell: i guess i'll have some nice work done by next week <Riddell> robotgeek_work: excellent <robotgeek_work> i'm editing the common sections right now, the main work will start from now on. * Hobbsee looks forward to an up-to-date guide <robotgeek_work> i have kubuntu dapper running on my ibook, i hope by the time I get to system settings, the modules bug will be fixed :) <Verwilst> grmbl <Verwilst> kde is still ugly by default :( <Hobbsee> it is, rather <Verwilst> hopefully 4.0 will fix that :$ <Verwilst> mornfall: would be cool if adept-notifier would disappear when no updates are needed <mornfall> Verwilst: why <Hobbsee> mornfall: when did 1.89 of adept-notifier go into the repos? for some reason, I only have Adept Updater: 1.88.1 Wibble (alpha 1.5), and i just did an update&upgrade <Verwilst> mornfall: too many icons in the systray already :( <Verwilst> it'll be like windows after a while, a bigger systray than taskbar :p * Hobbsee agrees with Verwilst about the icon - that's the first thing i noticed about it <mornfall> Hobbsee: 1.89 is a versioning mistake <Hobbsee> right <mornfall> there are 5 icons in my systray <mornfall> out of which at least 2 are useless * mornfall removes * Verwilst looks with puppy eyes to mornfall <robotgeek_work> i'm hopfully not 8 secs away from breakage, lol <Verwilst> btw, by reinstalling i removed my sources.list :( <Verwilst> anybody has that w32codecs repo laying around? <Verwilst> it wasn't plf btw <robotgeek_work> Verwilst: marillat? <Verwilst> no <Hobbsee> Verwilst: ah, wasnt that in http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s <Hobbsee> or is that now out of date? <Verwilst> oh well, they'll do for now <Flosoft> hey <Flosoft> anyone already using PSI 0.10 with Jingle? <Flosoft> Riddell: Is there anyone here that could make a PSI Jingle release like those of Amarok? <Riddell> Flosoft: PSI? <Flosoft> a Jabber client <Flosoft> http://psi-im.org/wiki/Jingle_branch#Linux <Flosoft> the first with Jingle Implementation <Riddell> and you want what? <Flosoft> an .deb or an apt-source ... as mine fails to compile :S <Flosoft> PSI is already in the sources <Flosoft> but it is an old one <Riddell> how is that like amarok? <Flosoft> and the normal 0.10 (just released) does not contain Jingle <Flosoft> amarok is always up2date with additional sources ? ( kubuntu.org ) <Riddell> ah, a backport <Riddell> i jingle support in dapper? <Flosoft> no <Riddell> so that's needed first <Riddell> ask in #ubuntu-motu <Flosoft> jingle isn't in PSIs official release <Riddell> hmm, psi is qt, that's our domain <Flosoft> :) <Riddell> raphink, \sh_away maybe? <raphink> Riddell: what? <raphink> Riddell: you want us to backport amarok to breezy? <Flosoft> no <Flosoft> make a PSI with Jingle backport <raphink> Riddell: why did you call me? <raphink> hmm ok <raphink> it's in dapper already I suppose? <Flosoft> note: PSI with Jingle isn't in PSIs official branch <Flosoft> http://psi-im.org/wiki/Jingle_branch <raphink> I cna't seem to find it in dapper <Flosoft> and it would be great to have it in Synaptic or as deb <Flosoft> in Breezy there is 0.93 <Riddell> psi is in universe <raphink> Flosoft: can you package? <raphink> I can find psi Riddell <raphink> but not jingle <Flosoft> raphink: no :S <raphink> apt-cache search jingle <raphink> I get nothing <raphink> in dapper <raphink> what's the name of the package for the jingle branch? <Flosoft> psi too <Flosoft> there is no package <raphink> so you would like a package, that's it? <raphink> you want a psi-jingle package? <Flosoft> yes <raphink> that seems easy <raphink> just package it ;) <raphink> hehe <raphink> Flosoft: how much do you know about Debian GNU/Linux ? <Flosoft> not soo much <Flosoft> a happy linux user <raphink> haha ok ;) <raphink> well I guess we could package it <raphink> but it would be nicer if you did it :) <raphink> so you would learn to package <raphink> and as this is a package you care about it's nice <raphink> :) <raphink> Flosoft: what do you think? <raphink> ;) <Flosoft> only problem: I didn't get to install psi manually :S <Flosoft> u know .. compile etc. <raphink> ah! <raphink> what failed? <Flosoft> make afaik <Flosoft> it was some time ago <raphink> ok <Flosoft> otherwise ... if u want to see I can open a screen here <raphink> no that's fine <raphink> I'd be happy if you could package it <Flosoft> ok ... <raphink> otherwise I can add it to my list of softs to package ;) <Flosoft> one sec ... <Flosoft> if u can guide me through I can try it again <raphink> do you want some links to documents to learn how to package? ;) <Flosoft> sure <kkathman> raphink: I'd like those please <raphink> kkathman: <>< <raphink> kkathman: you'd like what? <kkathman> the links to package...Im going to be helping robotgeek <raphink> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingTips <raphink> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReviewingGuide once you know quite enough <raphink> the main link to learn to package is the Debian New Maintainer's GUide <raphink> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html <raphink> that is THE reference to learn Debian packaging :) <raphink> and at least throwing an eye on Debian policy : http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ <raphink> :) <kkathman> thanks <Flosoft> what about deb-install? <kkathman> do I need to be on dapper NOW to create debian packages, or can I still be on breezy? <raphink> Flosoft: no <raphink> Flosoft: packaging is an advanced feature <raphink> it's hand-made <raphink> you can use debinstall, checkinstall or whatever for your own packages if you want <raphink> but if you want your packages in Ubuntu <raphink> there won't be 10 seconds before any MOTU will refuse such a package <raphink> kkathman: you can still be on breezy and use a dapper pbuilder and chroot <raphink> to build and test the packages <raphink> Flosoft: using dh_make is fine to help building packages <raphink> but debinstall/checkinstall is not <raphink> you'll get much more work to do by using such things than by making the packages yourself <kkathman> I assume that the above documents will explain the install procedures <raphink> Flosoft: make me a Checkinstall GNU/Linux distro if you want to, I'm sure it won't even boot ;) <raphink> kkathman: yes <kkathman> raphink: I still have room to install dapper if it would be best <raphink> for many apps, it is fine to use cdbs aswell (to some extent) which makes packaging easier <kkathman> I have breezy and SUSE on my box, but plenty of room for dapper if need be <raphink> get a chroot and pbuilder <kkathman> raphink: I'll read those docs and they should direct me in those right? <raphink> they won't teach you about chroots and pbuilders <raphink> but you'll need them only later <raphink> learn about packaging first ;) <raphink> and don't hesitate to ask questions :) <raphink> when I learned packaging, my mentor took 8 hours in a row to guide me through my first package <kkathman> okies...Im sure robotgeek will guide me along <raphink> so don't bother to ask for some help <raphink> :) <Flosoft> well ... u'll be flooded with questions and pastebins ... don't worry raphink ;) <kkathman> raphink: I was starting to work with Hobbsee but she left on vacation and there was no way we'd finish before she left, so we postponed <raphink> Flosoft: I prefer to be flooded with questions and pastebins and increase the number of Debian packagers with good skills <kkathman> but robotgeek basically said he needed my help and I agreed <raphink> than to make the packages myself and not be sure there'll be anyone to maintain them <Flosoft> :) <Flosoft> at the same time i'll write a tutorial for noobs ;) <raphink> Flosoft: so if you feel like learning how to package, don't hesitate to ping me either ;) <raphink> Flosoft: there is a tutorial : NDMG ;) <raphink> and some guys are working on an Ubuntu packaging guide <Flosoft> tooo much pages ;) <kkathman> NDMG? <raphink> Laserjock <raphink> New Debian Maintainer's Guide <raphink> the link I gave you before <Flosoft> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-first.en.html ? <raphink> Flosoft: I doubt you can write a packaging guide for noobs soon <raphink> yes Flosoft <Flosoft> there is a problem ... PSI is in the repository :S <raphink> this is the current reference to learn how to package <Flosoft> so how do I call it PSI-Jingle? <raphink> Flosoft: what you want to package is psi-jingle <raphink> not psi <raphink> ;) <Flosoft> but it runs on the same programm :S <raphink> so what? <raphink> ;) <Flosoft> ok ... <raphink> you might have to set the dependencies of the package <raphink> saying psi-jingle replaces psi <raphink> so the psi package is deinstalled when psi-jingle is installed <raphink> ;) <Flosoft> :S <Flosoft> i'll see <raphink> yes <raphink> :) <Flosoft> I am currently @ 2.2 <raphink> I'll be happy to help you :) <raphink> check if psi-jingle is not in Debian first <Flosoft> how? <raphink> it doesn't seem to be <Flosoft> ok <raphink> well right now it's not easy to check <raphink> usually you can check on packages.debian.org <kkathman> ok Im off to read...thanks raphink :) I'll still be around, but probably reading. <raphink> but the website is currenty down <raphink> kkathman: ok :) <raphink> if you have questions just ask :) <Flosoft> dh_make -e your.maintainer@address -f ../gentoo-0.9.12.tar.gz .... is that from the directory the sources are unpacked? <Flosoft> same as there is configure etc.? <raphink> yep <raphink> that's to package gentoo of course ;) <Flosoft> ofcourse ;) <Flosoft> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/527555 ... correct? <raphink> no <raphink> Flosoft: you have to link to the tarball <raphink> that is int he parent dir <Flosoft> well there is non :S <Flosoft> it is a darcs source :S <raphink> how did you get the source then? <Flosoft> darcs <raphink> what is that? <Flosoft> well like a FTP download of all files <Flosoft> http://psi-im.org/wiki/Darcs_Instructions <raphink> there is no tarball for this? <raphink> it's like a CVS/SVN ? <Flosoft> no <Flosoft> yes <raphink> ok then ignore the -f option <raphink> just run dh_make -e youradress <Flosoft> ok <raphink> do you have a PGP/GnuPG key ? <Flosoft> and still ../psi-jingle <Flosoft> yes <Flosoft> afaik <raphink> no, not the ../ <raphink> because this goes witht he -f option <raphink> to link to the source tarball <Flosoft> ok <raphink> since you have no source tarball <raphink> you shall not use it <raphink> you might call the directory <raphink> psi-jingle-darcs <raphink> if you got the version today <raphink> call the directory <raphink> psi-jingle-darcs-20060128 <raphink> and then run <raphink> dh_make -e youraddress <raphink> so the name of the package will be psi-jingle-darcs <Flosoft> ok <raphink> since it's not a tarball version, but a darcs one <raphink> and the version number will be 20060128, ie the date <raphink> which fits for this kind of packaging <Flosoft> and again ... dh_make from inside psi-jingle-darcs-20060128# <raphink> yes <Flosoft> ok <raphink> and only with the -e youraddress@yourdomain <Flosoft> sure <Flosoft> and what about my pgp key? <raphink> using an address that is in your PGP key <raphink> since it will be used to sign the package <raphink> is your key in the strongset? <Flosoft> ok <Flosoft> :S <raphink> what's your key ID? <Flosoft> I trust it unlimited <raphink> what's your key ID Flosoft ? <raphink> Flosoft: gpg --list-keys <Flosoft> 0xDE942B63 <raphink> and give me your key id please :) <raphink> ok you never uploaded it <raphink> or got it signed by anyone? <Flosoft> i'll do it now then ... <raphink> no no that's fine Flosoft <raphink> ;) <raphink> you don't need it signed now <Flosoft> ok <raphink> but you need it uploaded to the servers <raphink> like mit.edu <raphink> that can be useful ;) <raphink> anyway, your key will be used to sign the package <raphink> so you have to use an email address that is registered on the key <Flosoft> ok <Flosoft> single binary? <raphink> yep <raphink> I guess ;) <raphink> dh_make will create a debian/directory in the source <raphink> and create a lot of things in it <raphink> the doc explains what they are for :) <raphink> I'll let you read :) <raphink> ping me if you need Flosoft <Flosoft> ok ... 3.1 .. where is the make file? raphink? <raphink> how do you mean? <Flosoft> well 3.1 they say I have to check if there are no static paths <raphink> oh yes <raphink> in the makefile <Flosoft> but in what file is that? <raphink> well you must have a makefile in the source <raphink> it's called makefile ;) <Flosoft> brb ... gotta eat <raphink> ok <Flosoft> back <Flosoft> well there is no makefile raphink ... wanna take a look? <Flosoft> raphink ... u still there? <Flosoft> raphink? <Flosoft> raphink .... u there? <raphink> Flosoft: sorry I was eating <raphink> we're watching a movie right now <Flosoft> ah ok ... <raphink> but if you have a question go on <Flosoft> well can u take a look @ the console I got open <Flosoft> there is no makefile <Flosoft> only for windows <raphink> I'll have a look <raphink> wait <Flosoft> u got the login etc in pm <raphink> I'm logged it <raphink> in <Flosoft> screen -x <raphink> where did you put it <raphink> ? <Flosoft> just run screen -x <Flosoft> and you'll get in the same session as I am <kkathman> raphink you still around? <raphink> yep <raphink> we're packaging with Flosoft <kkathman> raphink: whats the best way to find out if a package is being worked on ... is it the same thats listed in Debian? <kkathman> or does Kubuntu have its list? <raphink> the NEW queue is very short on ubuntu <raphink> we don't use bugs for that as on Debian <raphink> if a package is being worked on in Ubuntu for quite a long time, you'll see it on REVU <raphink> http://revu.tauware.de <raphink> if it's not on REVU, not in Dapper yet <raphink> then it's probably not being worked on in Ubuntu <raphink> yet you have to check on Debian <raphink> and especially if an ITP has been filed for it <raphink> on bugs.debian.org, package wnpp <raphink> and if someone has made an unofficial package, on apt-get.org ;) <kkathman> Im just trying to figure out that if I "found" a package to work on..what I would check to make sure no one else has it or that its not being worked on <Tm_T> kkathman: :) <raphink> kkathman: I listed this on MOTUReviewingGuide <raphink> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReviewingGuide#head-bac17647fdb6e11e32c96b3ad874e9074cc21610 <kkathman> ahhh I havent got to that one yet...been on the debian manuals thing <kkathman> hey Tm_T :) <raphink> ok <kkathman> sorry to bother <raphink> :) <kkathman> didnt mean to invoke your frustration :( <jahor> hi. is there any way to be lucky with making rcS compatible with "switching servicess off by chmod -x /etc/init.d/foo" ? <raphink> kkathman: my frustration ? lol <jahor> i have patched my rc script to not complain aboyt executable permission. and now i could simply turn off services simplier than with update-rc.d <raphink> kkathman: got the infos you wanted? <kkathman> yah still reading :) <kkathman> apologize for interrupting. <raphink> np <Flosoft> hey <Flosoft> I am looking for someone who is able to code a amarok plugin <Riddell> Flosoft: #amarok #kubuntu-devel 2006-02-03 <seth> Riddell, any idea why for the past week, every time I boot up, kded crashes about 50-60 times? * Hobbsee creates her pbuilder <nlindblad> is the page down? <nlindblad> (the Ubuntu one) <kkathman> is anyone here using Quanta to edit docbook xml files and bind them to the xslt using the xsldbg tool thats embedded? <Tonio_> hello everyone <mrec_> hi, anyone awake? <mrec_> wonder if anyone of you guys could add: http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Em2880 <RJ_Not_Ajay> hey <RJ_Not_Ajay> i got an idea on something to add <RJ_Not_Ajay> http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Desktop-Environment/Tools/Mount-ISO-image-2216.shtml <RJ_Not_Ajay> ^ mount iso image 0.9.1 <RJ_Not_Ajay> i have no clue how to make a package of it <RJ_Not_Ajay> but its very handy <RJ_Not_Ajay> when anyone bothers to read this, just remember i have no freaking clue how to develop under linux <Tm_T> err, you can mount iso image with normal mount <Tm_T> you don't need any extra tool for it <RJ_Not_Ajay> i know <RJ_Not_Ajay> but this is a graphical tool <RJ_Not_Ajay> and besides <Tm_T> sounds' bad <Tm_T> -' <RJ_Not_Ajay> i dont remember the exact command to moutn an image <RJ_Not_Ajay> hey <RJ_Not_Ajay> i could make a simpler one <Tm_T> RJ_Not_Ajay: man mount ;) <RJ_Not_Ajay> i know <RJ_Not_Ajay> but try telling a n00b how to mount an iso <Tm_T> RJ_Not_Ajay: tell him to read manual, or tell the line what is in manual <RJ_Not_Ajay> i just think its more important to make graphical tools for this kind of stuff <RJ_Not_Ajay> come on <RJ_Not_Ajay> this is kubuntu <Tm_T> because _reading manual_ IS important <Tm_T> I know <RJ_Not_Ajay> if it was gentoo or slackware <mornfall> what? <RJ_Not_Ajay> i would do that <RJ_Not_Ajay> but kubuntu is SUPPOSED TO BE EASY <RJ_Not_Ajay> and even though i aggree with you <Tm_T> yes, but not to consider users as idiots <RJ_Not_Ajay> i think it is in the best insterest of this distro to put a tool like this in <Tm_T> like gnome does <Tm_T> RJ_Not_Ajay: maybe <mornfall> or no <RJ_Not_Ajay> i suggest you try it <Tm_T> hehe <RJ_Not_Ajay> and consider it <RJ_Not_Ajay> thats all <Tm_T> aye, considering <RJ_Not_Ajay> well <RJ_Not_Ajay> i say consider <Tm_T> but I'd say maybe no <RJ_Not_Ajay> but i mean: <RJ_Not_Ajay> do it <Tm_T> haha <RJ_Not_Ajay> well... maybe if i changed my nickname to Red_Herring... <mornfall> RJ_Not_Ajay: i don't find it very useful, it needs sudo * Tm_T is "learning it all hard way" kind of person <RJ_Not_Ajay> but i dont feel like going all the way up to my room <RJ_Not_Ajay> mornfall, you can make it so it uses kdesu <mornfall> RJ_Not_Ajay: no that's not the problem <mornfall> RJ_Not_Ajay: the problem is that the user needs root <RJ_Not_Ajay> so? <RJ_Not_Ajay> if they were to use mount <RJ_Not_Ajay> they would have the same problem <Tm_T> hmm, no <RJ_Not_Ajay> what? <RJ_Not_Ajay> no, mount needs to be ran as root, right? <RJ_Not_Ajay> whatever <RJ_Not_Ajay> i got to go <mornfall> Tm_T: yes they would, you don't generally have fstab entries for random iso files :) * Tm_T mount stuff as user ;( <Tm_T> mornfall: true =) <RJ_Not_Ajay> but i SEROUSLY suggest you use ANYTHING LIKE THIS to mount isos <RJ_Not_Ajay> that doesnt require the terminal <Tm_T> uh oh <RJ_Not_Ajay> i could even write one myself <RJ_Not_Ajay> but i think one of you would be best at it <mornfall> that's probably because 95% of users daily mount isos <RJ_Not_Ajay> well... <RJ_Not_Ajay> bit torrent works best under linux * Tm_T doesn't mount isos <RJ_Not_Ajay> thats all i have to say <Tm_T> what isos have anything to do with bittorrent? <mornfall> Tm_T: downloading gamez? :-) <RJ_Not_Ajay> (most games are in .iso formats) <mornfall> lol <RJ_Not_Ajay> not that i download them <Tm_T> mornfall: don't talk about warez to me <RJ_Not_Ajay> but the thing is <RJ_Not_Ajay> if 5% of kubuntu users mount isos <Tm_T> the thing is, we don't need support warez <RJ_Not_Ajay> we owe to to them to at least give them the option to mount it w/ konqueror <RJ_Not_Ajay> so? <mornfall> RJ_Not_Ajay: *owe*? what have you been smoking lately? <RJ_Not_Ajay> i made an iso of a futurama dvd i bought <Tm_T> so, I don't care if someones warez work or not <Tm_T> better not <RJ_Not_Ajay> you guys want n00bs to use kubuntu, right? <Tm_T> they do use <RJ_Not_Ajay> yeah <mornfall> i generally don't care <RJ_Not_Ajay> you think they know how to mount an iso? <RJ_Not_Ajay> come on <Tm_T> and noone has complained about "can't mount iso" <RJ_Not_Ajay> sure <RJ_Not_Ajay> look in the forums <RJ_Not_Ajay> theres at least 10 <RJ_Not_Ajay> threads <RJ_Not_Ajay> about it <RJ_Not_Ajay> to me thats important <mornfall> RJ_Not_Ajay: so do something about it <mornfall> ah ah <mornfall> i said "do" not "talk and then disappear <mornfall> " <Tm_T> haha <mornfall> f-r-e-a-k <Tm_T> I have 0-tolerance to pro-warez <Tm_T> if you don't wanna buy, you don't ask support <luka74> I would like to make dapper to configure laptop keys out-of-box as it it already true for ubuntu (gnome) <luka74> I do not understand where is the right location to configure global keys for kde - currently I use xmodmap workaround <luka74> Is there any better way (or better: how is this done for gnome)? #kubuntu-devel 2006-02-04 <Riddell> sebas: what's the hack you use for using kpowersave with suspend2? <sebas> Riddell: I put sudo hibernate in a script in /etc/init.d and added hibernate to the services start part in the config file. <sebas> So it's really bad-ass ugly, but it's good enough so kpowersave can hibernate on critical battery <Riddell> sebas: do you know what kpowersave calls to do its hibernate? <sebas> It does it itself, with settings from the sysconfig file. <sebas> I'm using Bernard Blackham's hibernate script, which I think is nicer (also usable from CLI, for instance), and it also has a KDE dialog interface. <mornfall> powersaved is cool <mornfall> and AFAICT kpowersave calls into powersaved to do anything? <sebas> Could be, yes. <mornfall> there's also a CLI utility <mornfall> it's called powersave <Riddell> volunteer needed to package new konversation http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=9927 <Riddell> hmm, no likely suspects around <hunger> Riddell: I never used konversation, so I am no good candidate. <hunger> Riddell: I can test anyway if you think that helps. <Riddell> hunger: just need to know how to package <hunger> Riddell: ? <hunger> Riddell: I thought you looked for someone to test a set of debs? <mornfall> Riddell: what's wrong with just updating existing packs to latest upstream? <Riddell> mornfall: that's what's needing done <Riddell> but I'm busy <mornfall> everyone is :| <Mez> Riddell, I can package new version of konversation <Mez> I beleive I did 0.18 <Riddell> ooh Mez, didn't spot you there <Riddell> go ahead :) <Mez> np <Mez> we got the UVF request in? <mornfall> when's the feature freeze again? <Riddell> Mez: we need to test it first to make sure it's stable, then I'll put in UVF exception request <Mez> actually I packaged the last version :D <Mez> Riddell: ah - I thought it was tested before being uploaded not before the request <Mez> cool * Mez gets a going <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DapperReleaseSchedule <Riddell> mornfall: feb 23rd <mornfall> okies <mornfall> thanks <jsgotangco> Riddell, are you going to pick up kubuntu docs in time for flight 4? <Mez> Riddell: do we still want to keep the divergence of joining #kubuntu by default ? <Mez> oh, and can i relibtoolise it ? <Riddell> jsgotangco: yeah, should be able to <Riddell> no idea when flight ill be though (not this week) <Riddell> Mez: yes and yes <Mez> Riddell: ack and ack <jsgotangco> Riddell, ok i'll prepare stuff then just in case * Mez rowls and tries to find the darn thing <Mez> Riddell: do you still have that smp machine sitting round somewhere ? <Riddell> Mez: nope <Mez> Riddell: will soon have a source and .deb for you to test if you want <Mez> Riddell: uploading to http://ubuntu.dev.sourceguru.net/konversation/ <Riddell> Mez: built for daper? <Mez> yup <Mez> poop :D <Mez> -ubunt1 <pef> hello <Mez> n -0ubuntu1 <Mez> typo <Mez> not * <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you want more testers for kde3.5.1? <Riddell> Hobbsee: testing breezy packages yes, and testing dapper (which now has 3.5.1) * Hobbsee cant easily test breezy packages <Hobbsee> i'll look into the dapper ones <Riddell> Mez: why add build-dep on patchutils? <Mez> oh, that was gonna be for lsdiff <Mez> but that didnt work <Mez> Uploading fixed package <Mez> Riddell, fixed packae uploaded <jjesse> is 3.5.1 now in the official dapper repository or do i still have to enable Riddells? <Riddell> jjesse: now in official, just don't tell anyone since i hasn't been released yet <jjesse> Riddell: just curious cause people are talking about it in #kubuntu that they updated this mroning and noticed they are douglassanchez@example.org <Riddell> that's a good sign <Mez> Riddell: can I get a new upload of katapult ? <Mez> It fixes FTBFS in backports on powerpc <\sh> Riddell: are you using one of the early birds, or is 3.5.1 already tagged for release? <Riddell> \sh: it's tagged, released tomorrow <\sh> Riddell: cool <Hobbsee> hehe - well it's tuesday now, so... <jjesse> Hobbsee: depends on where you live its still monday morning :) <Hobbsee> jjesse: ah yes, but let's, for the sake of the argument, use AEST or new zealand time - both of which it's tuesday for <Hobbsee> or aussie central time, i suppose <Hobbsee> night all... <Hobbsee> seeing as it's 1.40am... <Mez> Riddell: when can we expect 3.5.1 in dapper? <jjesse> have you updated today? <jjesse> some people are seeing in in normal updates <Riddell> Mez: last week <Mez> oh <Mez> lol <Mez> then i prob haent noticed the changes :d <kkathman-away> Morning all :) <kkathman> or whatever time of day it is where you are :) <Riddell> Mez: kde 3.5.1 should be backportable if you want to try <Riddell> nees akode and gettext-kde <Riddell> then arts, kdelibs and kdebase <Riddell> s/nees/needs/ <kkathman> howdy raphink :) <rraphink> hi kkathman <>< <kkathman> rraphink: do you know of anyone I could contact that uses Quanta to create/edit docbook pages? <rraphink> to create docbook? <rraphink> you can do that with quanta? <JRe> rraphink: yep <rraphink> salut jre <JRe> hi! <kkathman> raphink: yes sir, I know you can, I was wondering if anyone had been successful in doing so, working with the current ubuntu/kubuntu documentation (specific DTDs have to be used) and I would like to compare notes with someone that's done this <raphink> I've made some docbook docs for kde apps manpages <raphink> manually <raphink> so using quanta is indeed interesting <raphink> kkathman: do you want some docbooks from packages in dapper? <raphink> I'll brg <raphink> brb <raphink> relogging on KDE 3.5.1 <raphink> :) <kkathman> raphink It would be great to have those, and I'd like to talk to someone on how they got quanta setup properly <kkathman> i.e. what DTD settings they used - I keep getting validation erros against the KDE docbook standard, of course <kkathman> the only one that comes with Quanta is the 4.2 standard, and the OASIS standard isnt even listed. <raphink> kkathman: get the source of knmap in dapper for example <raphink> I've got a docbook in this one <raphink> in debian/ <raphink> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/source/knmap <kkathman> raphink: I am working on the kubuntu desktop guide with robotgeek. Can you enlighten me? Are we changing DTDs from the OASIS 4.3? <raphink> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <raphink> <!DOCTYPE refentry PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.2//EN" <raphink> "http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.2/docbookx.dtd" [ <raphink> ] > <raphink> that's what I use <raphink> I don't know <raphink> I don't know much on that <raphink> if you can find out, I'd be glad to learn more :) <kkathman> raphink: the current ubutu standard (on which we are basing the kubuntugude) is 4.3 <raphink> kkathman: did you try quanta in dapper? <raphink> or just the latest version that is ;) <kkathman> raphink: I believe the latest version is 3.5, which I have <kkathman> unless there has been a 3.5.1 version come out <kkathman> tho, I am not on dapper. <raphink> ok <kkathman> raphink: do you know someone that is using Quanta with the above DTD that I could chat with for a brief time? <raphink> of quanta you mean? <kkathman> using quanta to maintain official ubuntu docs, that is <kkathman> its not essential, I can still use Kate and then manually check them using xsltproc and meinproc <raphink> do you have a dapper chroot? <kkathman> but I think Quanta would increase productivity <kkathman> I dont even have dapper installed, just breezy on one partition and SUSE on another. I'd like to get Dapper installed, and have room for it, but having to mess around with the GRUB afterward to get my other installs to work doesnt appeal to me at present :) <raphink> nope <kkathman> ok I'll just continue to use the Kate tool then <raphink> indeed <raphink> very much so <raphink> especially if we could have a template <raphink> to fill in <raphink> for manpages for kde apps <kkathman> robotgeek and I are using ubuntu as a template, but its a daunting task for sure <kkathman> and Im just starting out down this road learning <kkathman> about those tools, I mean <raphink> get a chroot <raphink> ;) <raphink> do you know how to do that? <robotgeek> or a separate install :) <raphink> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot <kkathman> robotgeek: right thats what my plans were originally <raphink> read this ;) <raphink> it takes about 10 minutes in total to set a chroot <raphink> if your internet connection is fast enough <kkathman> I have a 100GB HDD that I have breezy on...and a 300GB HDD that right now has only SUSE <raphink> mhm <kkathman> so I could easily install Dapper on the 300GB drive <raphink> yes but a chroot is faster <kkathman> but actually I should have installed Dapper first, then installed SUSE, as SUSE does a beautiful job of recognizing previous partitions and installs and adds them to the GRUB it builds <raphink> and more useful in a way imo <raphink> such that I have a dapper and a sid chroot in my dapper system <raphink> ;) <raphink> because I don't want to mess up my dapper system when I test packages <kkathman> I dont want to mess up my breezy, its a production system for my business <kkathman> and my SUSE is up, because our company is moving to either that or RH soon and I want to be prepared. * raphink thinks he's gonna love quanta even more :) <kkathman> Quanta is a fabulous package <kkathman> but you cant "add" a new DTD which is frustrating <raphink> then get a chroot imho <raphink> you'll be able to test programs on dapper and build packages on dapper <raphink> while working on breezy <kkathman> raphink: I will look into that then <raphink> without messing up your system <raphink> yes <kkathman> I guess im trying to get my head around the concept of Chroot <kkathman> does one actually install Dapper? <raphink> you can't create DTDs? <kkathman> raphink: I have not been able to find a way - you seem to be able to "change" or "edit" a current DTD that they give you <kkathman> im a bit rusty on my XML/DTD ... I was an head of applications development for a startup XML apps company a few years ago <kkathman> its been a while since I touched it :) <raphink> kkathman: look in /usr/share/apps/quanta/dtep <raphink> seems to me there might be a way there ;) <kkathman> raphink: thats one of the reasons I would love to find someone that its actively using Quanta to maintain Ubuntu/Kubuntu Docbookx <raphink> well we can get to use it <raphink> now that we know it works :) <kkathman> Im a KDE man through and through...so I tend to want to use it for everything :) <raphink> :) <raphink> too bad the visualisation thing doesn't work with docbook though <kkathman> I raised an issue via the quanta maillist <kkathman> raphink: it wont work actually, because the xml has to pass through and XSL to generate the HTML to be viewed <raphink> ok <kkathman> all you'll get in Konq for instance, is just the XML <kkathman> hence the purpose of the XSL stylesheet <raphink> yes <raphink> there's an engine in KDE to process manpages though <raphink> that is used by man:/ <raphink> in konqueror <raphink> but I guess it has to go through docbook2x first ;) <raphink> hehe <kkathman> probably <kkathman> the XSL for ubuntu/kubuntu isnt particularly inventive or attractive, but at this late date, I doubt we can affect a total change in deployment <kkathman> hi there jjesse :) <Riddell> kkathman: what's it a late date for? <kkathman> Riddell: hi there! I was speaking regarding a rather large change, that would be pretty extensive to do with Dapper do out in April I think <kkathman> Riddell: changing the XSL that renders the docbooks to something maybe a little more inventive or attractive...perhaps a longer term project? <kkathman> Im not advocating its change now at all <Riddell> that's just artwork <kkathman> is the official xsl the desktopguide-html-chunk-cust-xsl ?? <Riddell> got until March 9th <kkathman> or something else? <robotgeek> kkathman: i figure Riddell will give a super cool css to use <Riddell> the kde docs just use the KDE XSL <kkathman> robotgeek: CSS is great, but also talking about the XSL component * robotgeek shuts up and learns :) <kkathman> Riddell: can you point me to that XSL ? and any CSS you likely might have? Im not going to edit them, I just wanted to merely use them in my testing of the kubuntu desktopguide <kkathman> robotgeek: we are editing the XML. And as you indicated the other night, XML needs to be "transformed" via the XSLT to make a html. That html can, in turn, use CSS in its deployment also :) <robotgeek> ah, okay <kkathman> the XSL basically looks at the tagged elements (along with DTD rules) and "creates" XHTML that we would recognize <kkathman> thats a rather 30,000 ft explanation :) <robotgeek> works for me :0 <Riddell> /usr/share/apps/ksgmltools2/customization/ <Riddell> /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/ <kkathman> Riddell the name of the xsl file? <Riddell> kde-chunk.xsl I think <kkathman> gotcha <kkathman> robotgeek - we need to change mk to use this xsl instead of the desktopguide-html-chunk-cust.csl its using now <kkathman> I can look at the resulting HTML and check what css is being used <kkathman> robotgeek: its a simple change to the script..just do a replacement <kkathman> I'll do it on my end also <robotgeek> kkathman: cool <_jr> well konversation seems to work <_jr> Mez: but it runs ./configure again after the compile <_jr> which is slightly insane <Riddelll> test new konversation http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/konversation_0.19-0ubuntu1_i386.deb <mornfall> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH <mornfall> not another mockup <mornfall> i'm developing a case of misuseria #kubuntu-devel 2006-02-05 <Tm_T> kkathman-zzzz: humm, if you have time, we could check that docbook issue tomorrow? <Tm_T> Riddell: deadline(s) for artwork thing? <Riddell> which artwork thing? <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DapperReleaseSchedule user interface freeze <Riddell> March 9th <bobesponja> how can I add w3c validator to the Tools in konqueror like I used to have on my debian kde3.4? * Riddell adds xine or gstreamer for kubuntu dapper to tech board meeting agenda at 2000UTC today <raphink> hi Riddell <Riddell> hi raphink <raphink> how are you? <Riddell> I'm ok thanks <raphink> good <raphink> about kdcop <raphink> my point is that there should be a desktop file for it, even if its turned off <raphink> iirc there's an option to put in the desktop file so it doesnt' appear in the menu <Riddell> hmm, spose so <Riddell> it's really the sort of thing that should be changed n kde not kubuntu, but we can't do that just now <raphink> Riddell: why? <Riddell> well, hassle :) <Riddell> o, why can't change in kde? because 3.5 is in string freeze and 4 won't have dcop <raphink> 4 won't have dcop? <raphink> what will it have instead? <Riddell> dbus
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