#launchpad-dev 2009-07-03 <thumper> why am I not surprised to see wgrant in here :) <bigjools> lol <bigjools> hello thumper :) <wgrant> thumper: You... you spoke in here. Nobody has spoken in months. <thumper> bigjools: I think I like this place <thumper> let's make it home :) <thumper> hi jtv <jtv> hi thumper, good night! <thumper> I have to go make chocolate cake now :) <noodles775> mmmm * bigjools cuddles under a rug with thumper <wgrant> thumper: Terrible. * jtv looks for a drink that'll make him forget he saw that <thumper> I'm wondering how to tell quassel to join this automatically <thumper> perhaps it just knows... <bigjools> thumper: it will do it now <thumper> I must test at some stage <bigjools> it remembers <thumper> bigjools: ah, it never forgets :) <bigjools> one might say it tracks your every move <wgrant> What is with this surprise incursion? <thumper> where are our losas? <thumper> I want a dame launchpad pastebin <thumper> !!!! <thumper> damn <thumper> it's too late to spel rite <thumper> so ... * bigjools phones the queen <thumper> we moving launchpad-reviews here too? <bigjools> we could! <thumper> bigjools: email the list <thumper> lets make this happen <wgrant> Oh, it's actually happening? <thumper> bigjools: I want to organise a weekly call with you <bigjools> thumper: I'll wait to see what Karl says first <thumper> wgrant: we have the power !!! <bigjools> wgrant: it could! <thumper> bigjools: karl will like it <bigjools> I am kicking it off, at least <thumper> bigjools: can you do evenings? <wgrant> This channel has been sitting idle for almost 7 months. <thumper> I could make an effort for a 6am call or too <thumper> two <thumper> damn it <thumper> wgrant: bigjools invited me in <bigjools> thumper: how much do you pay? <thumper> and now I'm gunna make some noise <thumper> bigjools: what? you pay me remember <thumper> d'uh * bigjools pulls empty pockets inside out <thumper> we need to talk about soyus integration <thumper> d'oh <thumper> soyuz <thumper> you can see I don't type that much <bigjools> thumper: yes - we've just landed a load of stuff that will make the "click to upload" button a reality <bigjools> but <bigjools> it still needs more work <thumper> bigjools: I want to be able to link a branch to a ppa <thumper> bigjools: so when I push, you build <bigjools> the buildds need an overhaul to do generic jobs <thumper> bigjools: sound good? <bigjools> oh yes <thumper> bigjools: sure, we've got work to do too <bigjools> but we need work from IS <thumper> bigjools: lets get it done by christmas, deal? * bigjools shakes on it <thumper> I'd love to present lauren32@example.com <thumper> in a lightning talk <thumper> (maybe)( <thumper> I need to organise a real talk too <thumper> anyway... <thumper> kitchen calls <bigjools> send me a piece <thumper> bigjools: can I book you for a 30 min call weekly? <thumper> bigjools: we'll put it in the calendar <bigjools> sure thing <bigjools> I'll have my secretary contact your secretary <thumper> bigjools: how does 18:00 Tues UTC sound? <bigjools> bad :/ <thumper> wed morning for me <thumper> hmm <thumper> ok, make me an offer <bigjools> let me think about it <thumper> ok * thumper goes to bake <bigjools> mornings might be better <thumper> yeah, sure, make it my evenings <bigjools> my evenings are hectic - kids etc <thumper> later peoples (and mine too) <bigjools> ciao <jtv> henninge: if you run into that "subordinate to itself" assertion failure while QA'ing, the fix is attached to bug 385924. I just put it up for review. <ubot3> Malone bug 385924 in rosetta "Message-sharing migration fails: a potmsgset was found subordinate to itself" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/385924 <henninge> jtv: ok <flacoste> a very elite group of people here! #launchpad-dev 2009-07-05 <thumper> morning #launchpad-dev 2009-07-06 <kfogel> sinzui: I really like the wording in the new "Your project isn't as free as you think it is" email. Or did you customize that one just now? (The one about discriminating against a field of use.) <thumper> hi kfogel <thumper> kfogel: thanks for that email, it really was a doozey <ScottK> Is there a link? <wgrant> I hope we'll see the mailing list made public - and the IRC channel properly moved here - soonish. <ScottK> Which month is it the partially opening LP was promised? This one, right? <wgrant> ScottK: Late July or early August. <ScottK> OK. Thanks. <thumper> wgrant: some of the devs will be moving here <thumper> wgrant: and once we have open sourced, pretty much all conversation will be here <wgrant> thumper: Ah, good. <kfogel> thumper: you're welcome <kfogel> wgrant: mailing list will become public, but the current archives won't, of course (lots of company information in them). <thumper> kfogel: so some action on that this week maybe? <wgrant> kfogel: Of course. <thumper> kfogel: I'll look forward to the list being public <thumper> someone at some stage removed my other email address from the "authorised" list <kfogel> thumper: let's pretend we're not moving to a privchat <thumper> and I'm always sending email from the wrong email address <thumper> at least with the launchpad mailman, I can use either :) <sinzui> kfogel: I did customize that email. I send it to all projects that choose Other Open Source, but discriminate against commercial or derivatives. 90% of the cases are to CC-NC or CC-ND projects. <wgrant> A lot of people don't realise that NC and ND are non-free. <sinzui> indeed. I think most projects would not choose them if they know the OSI or FSF reject them <kfogel> sinzui: makes me wonder if we should anticipate this at the UI level and save ourselves some human time. <sinzui> kfogel: most of the problem has disappeared since we added the good CC licenses <wgrant> What fraction of projects are still doing it? <sinzui> translations-only projects are my new top problem. * sinzui looks for answer <sinzui> wgrant: kfogel: These is not easy way to know. we do not index the the additional license info field. I think the answer is about 50 projects <wgrant> sinzui: Not too bad. <wgrant> But a little disturbing that people don't research their licenses. <sinzui> cc-0 seems to have addressed the majority of users who just want their code to be public and do not want to bother with the legal issues <wgrant> Was there a Public Domain option before CC-0 was added? <sinzui> Well I just scanned all 128 problem projects. there are about 16 projects that are using the problem CC licenses. <sinzui> wgrant: these was and is a Public Domain. The license comes from US law and has troubles in other countries. CC-0 tries to addresses that <jtv> hi folks * wgrant welcomes jtv to the newly-populated channel. * jtv wais wgrant * kfogel says good night to wgrant, jtv <jtv> good night Karl! <kfogel> g'night <wgrant> Night kfogel. <wgrant> Damn. <jtv> Anyone else having trouble running the Code tests? <jtv> danilos, here's that change for the POExport view: https://pastebin.canonical.com/19361/ <thumper> jtv: what's up? <jtv> thumper: relative humidity is waaaay up. <thumper> jtv: I was meaning the code tests <jtv> thumper: oh that, probably just a local problem with my system. Never mind now. <thumper> ok <thumper> night <jtv> thumper: good night <jtv> danilos, got the paste? <danilos> jtv: can you try again? :) <jtv> danilos: https://pastebin.canonical.com/19361/ <danilos> jtv: thanks a lot <jtv> np <danilos> jtv: anyway, shall we have a call? <jtv> danilos: definitely, I was only waiting for you to finish with stub <danilos> jtv: or a chat, whatevah you prefer <danilos> jtv: call me back :) #launchpad-dev 2009-07-07 <mwhudson> wgrant: i know what causes these 500s now <wgrant> mwhudson: What was it? <mwhudson> wgrant: me failing to realise that bzrlib's LRUCache is not threadsafe <wgrant> mwhudson: Aha. <mwhudson> wgrant: it confirms that just bouncing on refresh is appropriate in this situation <wgrant> mwhudson: Thanks for lauren32@example.com. It's a bit annoying. <mwhudson> wgrant: i don't know why it's happening so much now, tbh <mwhudson> it should have been happening since april, aiui <mwhudson> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/loggerhead/+bug/396320 fwiw <ubot3> Malone bug 396320 in loggerhead "loggerhead accesses the same LRUCache from multiple threads" [Critical,Triaged] <wgrant> mwhudson: It has certainly been happening much more frequently lately. <mwhudson> i guess i've fixed some of the problems that just make it fall over completely... <wgrant> Heh. <mwhudson> also more traffic will make it happen more often <thumper> mwhudson: is it on your radar to fix soonish? <mwhudson> thumper: i guess it should be <thumper> mwhudson: hard to fix? <thumper> or just a pain to test? <mwhudson> thumper: not massively <mwhudson> thumper: heh, this is loggerhead! <mwhudson> i dream about tests <thumper> ehh <thumper> heh <lifeless> mwhudson: put a mutex around it? <mwhudson> lifeless: right #launchpad-dev 2009-07-08 <thumper> just saying something so it isn't tumbleweed town here... <lifeless> \|/- <thumper> lifeless: is that supposed to be a spinner? <lifeless> a tumbleweed <wgrant> thumper: I take it that using this didn't take off? I presume #lauren32@example.com is not quite this dead... <thumper> wgrant: I think some people are still concerned about private details <wgrant> thumper: I suppose so. <thumper> wgrant: kfogel will be harassing people in private #launchpad-code once we open source <thumper> but until then... * thumper shrugs <thumper> we are discussing timing in the team lead meeting tomorrow morning my time <wgrant> Aha. <wgrant> Good news. <wgrant> As long as the discussion doesn't postpone it even more! * thumper doesn't like the 6am phone calls <thumper> wgrant: it depends on the bzr readiness <thumper> we need to make sure that bzr 1.17 doesn't have bad format 2 bugs <thumper> that is the most likely thing to cause delays <wgrant> OK. <lifeless> thumper: 2 isn't fully baked yet. <lifeless> thumper: but must of the raw edges are on upgrade, which you won't be exposing people to <thumper> right <thumper> lifeless: so format 2 will still be development for 1.17? <lifeless> its released and supported <lifeless> we don't anticipate format changes <lifeless> its just not polished enough to change it to default <lifeless> (remaining critical bugs, missing network delta support, ..) <thumper> lifeless: is the absent content factory one fixed? <lifeless> the one with send is not yet examined <lifeless> (ACF is hopelessly generic) * thumper nods <lifeless> its like 'the segfault bug with evolution' * thumper wills himself to continue writing the boring branch <wgrant> What's the boring branch? <thumper> accessing the revision cache <thumper> it'll give us faster counts of recent revisions and revision authors <thumper> and make the revision feeds not time out <thumper> but it is boring work <wgrant> Ah, good to see an attempt at Slashdotting prevention. <wgrant> How big will the new tree be, given the lack of history? <lifeless> do you mean disk size? <wgrant> Yes. <lifeless> there's still a bunch of code:P - fairly sizable <lifeless> I'm not sure of the exact size <thumper> wgrant: I can't really tell you that right now :) <thumper> bigjools: want to fix your broken build? <bigjools> thumper: you speak in forked tongue <thumper> :) <thumper> bigjools: I have something I want to land :) <bigjools> thumper: hassle IS :) <thumper> why? <thumper> why is it their problem? <bigjools> what are you talking about, exactly? <thumper> heh <thumper> http://buildbot.devpad.info/builders/lp/builds/477/steps/shell_7/logs/summary <bigjools> oh bollocks <bigjools> thumper: did you notice it broken for very long? I didn't get any emails <thumper> I think it finished just over an hour ago <thumper> but I've only just sat down after dinner and kids in bed <bigjools> jeez, I landed it about 12 hours ago <thumper> working until Chuck starts <thumper> bigjools: the dev builder is still the slow one <thumper> that should get fixed <bigjools> seriously #launchpad-dev 2009-07-09 <jtv> mthaddon, can you help me with some very easy QA? #launchpad-dev 2009-07-13 <jtv> hey noodles775 <noodles775> Hi jtv :) <noodles775> bigjools: have you heard or do you know why edge has not been updated since Friday? <bigjools> yes <bigjools> updates were stopped for a security patch <bigjools> but didn't get re-enabled <noodles775> bigjools: so there's no reason why it can't be re-enabled now, or even have edge updated right now? <noodles775> If not I'll ask on IS... <bigjools> noodles775: I'm on it <wgrant> spm suggested a few hours ago that the XSS fixes weren't in stable yet. <bigjools> they are in stable #launchpad-dev 2009-07-14 <joey> I just started the stub for 4.0. https://dev.launchpad.net/VersionFourDotO <joey> for the community members on channel <wgrant> Aha. <wgrant> Is there a definite timeline for 3.0 yet? <joey> kfogel's been handling that (I've been off on temporary assignment) <joey> I saw something today in passing which seems to indicate it's gotten more solid but I haven't seen anything yet <joey> i.e. official <wgrant> OK. <joey> The anticipation is building though so I am hopeful we'll see something really soon now. ;-) <wgrant> I think the anticipation is more for the open-sourcing, though. <joey> and we're running out of July :-) <joey> yes! That's what I meant. <joey> anticipation and excitement <wgrant> July is no deadline any more... <wgrant> Why aren't the team hierarchies on the dev wiki consistent? Registry's test plans live at 'Registry Team/Registry Test Plans', Soyuz at 'Soyuz Test Plan', Code at 'Code Team Test Plans', Translations at 'Translations/Test Plans', and a few other variants for the other teams. <joey> wgrant: they were organic I think. I certainly didn't prescribe what it should be, only that there should be test plans. :-) <joey> wgrant: I'll pass it on to matsubara and ursinha. Maybe they might tackle the inconsistency. <joey> ok, I'm going to bugger off for the day <joey> have a good one <wgrant> joey: Thanks. <wgrant> You too. <jtv> danilos: https://pastebin.canonical.com/19696/ <danilos> jtv: thanks <danilos> jtv: I've emailed you the RT number if it doesn't get done by the end of the week <jtv> danilos: as if I don't have enough trouble getting losa attention :) <jtv> danilos: branch just landed on devel btw <danilos> jtv: to be honest, who doesn't? note that Tom is on vacation this week, which means it's harder for everyone, especially with him being the most responsive of them all IME :) <danilos> jtv: this is for bzr commit stuff, right? <jtv> danilos: I wouldn't know, I rarely start work that early. :) <jtv> danilos: for that and other QA. <danilos> well, Tom would usually show up in a few hours from now <jtv> danilos: in my language you're saying "just before midnight." :) <danilos> jtv: so, have you started on the bzr commit QA? (you'll get other QA done I know, but this one probably requires a few hours of constant presence with a LOSA which is harder for you) <jtv> danilos: just did a bit of preparation. Not so sure it requires constant LOSA attention though. <danilos> jtv: I didn't say constant LOSA attention, I said it requires you being constantly there when you've got LOSA at hand <jtv> ah ok <jtv> well, I'm working on it. :) <danilos> jtv: btw, has bug 383610 landed? <ubot3> Malone bug 383610 in rosetta "Message-sharing migration script allows duplicate TranslationMessages" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/383610 <jtv> danilos: yes <danilos> jtv: I don't see it on devel <jtv> danilos: it's on db-devel, because it depends on a trigger change. <danilos> jtv: is it only on db-devel? <jtv> danilos: hang on, working with herb <danilos> jtv: ah, ok, so that's not something we can CP <danilos> jtv: sure, go on, that's fine, thanks <henninge> danilos, jtv: Does this mean that staging's data is as of Friday, 16:25 (whatever TZ)? <henninge> https://staging.launchpad.net/successful-updates.txt <danilos> henninge: most likely, yes <jtv> henninge: yes, it's Friday's data with later code. <henninge> thanks <danilos> henninge: there are enough import failures from before that date as well, so it shouldn't be hard to reproduce :) <henninge> Actually, there aren't that many in the logs on devpad, just 5. <danilos> henninge: right, it seems logrotate has messed it up, let me look up older ones and how they behave <henninge> danilos: don't bother right now <henninge> danilos: I will try the oldest I find there, first. <sinzui> flacoste: I am confused about where I need to /also/ merge the DateMarshaller fix. I think you said lp:lazr.restful and to update the changelog, but this tree does not have a changelog. <flacoste> sinzui: it should <flacoste> sinzui: in src/lazr/restful/CHANGES.txt i think <sinzui> flacoste: lp:lazr.restful AKA lp:~lazr-developers/lazr.restful/trunk does not. I can create one <flacoste> sinzui: hang on, i'm sure there is on <flacoste> sinzui: src/lazr/restful/NEWS.txt <sinzui> I see that <sinzui> thanks #launchpad-dev 2009-07-15 <wgrant> sinzui: I don't think bug #397398 is a duplicate of the usual one - in that bug the user wanted it to be in Russia, but the timezone is wrong. <ubot3> Malone bug 397398 in launchpad-registry "Wrong user timezone (Saratov) (dup-of: 387738)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/397398 <ubot3> Malone bug 387738 in launchpad-registry "Launchpad refuses to believe that I don't live in Russia, near the Kazakhstan border." [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/387738 <sinzui> wgrant: I think it is because smara is were others were ending up <wgrant> sinzui: Ah. <sinzui> However we did just change the pytz lib, I should double check the date. There were two days of wierdness during the transition <sinzui> I wonder if people will complain is I create the tag "ml-archive-sucks" <lifeless> sinzui: mars says to talk to you about +series <sinzui> yes <lifeless> this is me, talking to you:) <lifeless> I've filed a bug <lifeless> I don't mean to be overly negative, but its nearly unusable at the moment. <sinzui> Wow for me it went from a wasted click to at least a report that something is happening <lifeless> wasted click? <lifeless> we may have very different understandings of what I'm intending to ask about <sinzui> Any time I was taken to a series page, I had to find a link to a page that would let me perform an action or learn about what was happening. The series page was not a good tool. <sinzui> How can I make the series page a good tool? <wgrant> sinzui: I would love a ml-archive-sucks tag, if it means the archives might eventually be less utterly sucky. <lifeless> so there are two things, both similar. Perhaps I should file two bugs <lifeless> firstly, can I ask you to have a look at <lifeless> https://edge.launchpad.net/bzr/ <lifeless> there is a funny stick figure about half way down labelled 'bzr.dev' <sinzui> oh yes the timeline that never shows more than one line of development <sinzui> It gets bigger in the new page design <wgrant> lifeless: Bug #398705? <ubot3> Malone bug 398705 in launchpad-registry "Unobvious that timeline graph is scrollable" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/398705 <lifeless> I know that its scrollable. its just _painful_ to scroll on a thumbpad <sinzui> I asked edwin to try putting borders on it that beuno would like <lifeless> on a 125x125 dpi screen <lifeless> click, drag about an inch <lifeless> release go back, repeat <lifeless> personally, I'd much rather not have to scroll at all <sinzui> That sucks <lifeless> that list of series seems truncated anyway, so why not truncate a little more and at the same time make the canvas taller <lifeless> vertical space is cheap <sinzui> Well it will be taller. I think we need to convey that the widget is a viewport <lifeless> should I file a bug about this aspect? I haven't so far <sinzui> definitely! <sinzui> Edwin is work on a bug to improve the UI. As asked edwin to take wgrant's bug into consideration. <lifeless> bug filed <lifeless> secondly <sinzui> thanks <lifeless> have a look at https://edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+series <lifeless> remember - trackpad user <lifeless> I do have cheap vertical scrolling (of the whole page) <sinzui> ha ha <lifeless> my window is about 900 pixels wide <sinzui> I will show that to Edwin and Martin <sinzui> mine is 800 <wgrant> Does that one show inactive milestones too? <wgrant> The one on +index doesn't. <sinzui> This one show obsolete series at 50% opacity <sinzui> I think I need to restart the discussion about sane zoom on load. I seeing this makes me think I was right <lifeless> I'd like to note that *I don't care about the graph* <lifeless> it can jump off a cliff and I'll never regret its passing * _thumper_ wonders if the william grant showing up on my Facebook suggestions is wgrant <sinzui> lifeless: I can create a [X] Display timelines check box. That is how I got the maps off my pages <wgrant> thumper: Could be. I have a few Launchpadders. <lifeless> sinzui: I love timelines. That isn't a timeline :) <lifeless> sinzui: or should I say, I love vertically presented regular text and markup timelines <sinzui> understood <thumper> wgrant: University of Melbourne '10 <thumper> ? <wgrant> thumper: That would be me indeed. <lifeless> ok, so two bugs filed. Let me know if you need more details on either. <thumper> :) <wgrant> The current one also isn't a timeline, since it doesn't show things relative to time. <wgrant> Milestones, releases and series are equally spaced. <wgrant> With no regard to time. <wgrant> So bzr.dev seems to have all the latest milestones. <sinzui> wgrant: and you can image why we did that given bzr's series <wgrant> sinzui: If everything was positioned by time, it could be a very wide but fairly short graph that was able to be zoomed sanely. <sinzui> oh, kfogel filed one of the the ml-archive bugs. I'm definitely using the new tag <wgrant> I've been wondering for a while if you've been wanting to minimise adoption of LP mailing lists. <wgrant> The archives are... suboptimal. <wgrant> Non-members cannot subscribe. <sinzui> wgrant: \o/ <wgrant> Message acceptance policies are unconfigurable. <wgrant> Subjects are mangled. <wgrant> (unconfigurably) <sinzui> That is one of my points why it sucks, along with it does not integrate lp objects so I cannot link in and out of it <wgrant> They could easily be very awesome, but they are not! <sinzui> I cannot forward a message to my inbox so that I can reply (even if I am not a member of the list because I have good standing) <wgrant> This standing thing also isn't documented anywhere except bugs, is it? <sinzui> wgrant: We were going to create our own, or improve pipermail to rock. but we had two days, so we used MHonarc <wgrant> sinzui: But MHonarc can do better than that... <sinzui> kfogel: It can. <sinzui> wgrant: kfogel looked into making some improvement. It can do better. <wgrant> sinzui: This is good. <wgrant> The lp-users archives are pretty terrible to use. <wgrant> What is changing in the 3.0 UI? <sinzui> We are reintroducing side portlets to emphasise activity. There are not many concrete examples of this <sinzui> We want to show that things are happening on launchpad, commits, messages, subscribers, changes. And the side portlets can have actions that create these activities <wgrant> But didn't you just try to kill all of the portlets? <wgrant> Ah, good. That is one area in which Launchpad is really lacking. <sinzui> We did, beuno likes them. He thinks they failed because they did not have strong rules of what they could contain or set users expectation about what they could do <sinzui> links are still moving into the page <sinzui> We are putting all the developers on updating all the pages to ensure we don't have any more 0, 1, and 2 ui pages left <sinzui> wgrant: We want to improve the breadcrumbs and tabs, but we do not have any design and sope set for that yet. I think many pages will look a lot like the 2.0 pages. <wgrant> Even completing the 2.0 UI would make things much better... <wgrant> It's all pretty inconsistent now. <sinzui> yep. I need to send an email asking for consistent heading/title rules. <wgrant> Since you're moving launchpad-loggerhead into the launchpad tree, are you not removing codehosting at all? <kfogel> wgrant: there's a bug and a branch for the ml improvements <kfogel> when I get off the phone I'll find the bug number <joey> hey matsubara-lunch, maybe you might get wgrant to review https://dev.launchpad.net/BugTriage/Draft and provide input? <joey> Ursinha probably should have a run through too if she hasn't already * Ursinha looks <matsubara> good idea joey <joey> matsubara: only in that he's had some recent experience :-) <joey> matsubara: you did good work on both the original and now this version so... might as well share! #launchpad-dev 2009-07-16 <mwhudson> if you ever ever ever think that you should design a publishing system where AttributeError turns into some kind of not found error, please stop right there <mwhudson> </vent> <wgrant> mwhudson: Be thankful you have an object publishing system, and not some horrid URL-regex-matcher. <mwhudson> wgrant: this is true <mwhudson> but then at least programming errors would look like programming errors <wgrant> True. <rockstar> mwhudson, are you talking about TraversalError? <mwhudson> rockstar: why, yes i am! <rockstar> mwhudson, the benefit of obscure exceptions like that is that curse words get SO creative, it's almost worth having the obscurity. :) <mwhudson> yes, it's all an experiment to see if my rage can get hot enough to burn all the way through the earth's crust <mwhudson> (not this time; must try harder) <rockstar> Well, if you manage to put a whole through the earth, it would might make travelling to sprints a little easier. <jml> Quick! Fetch me my unobtanium armor! <lifeless> One word. <lifeless> "Acquisition". <thumper> AArrgg! <thumper> not acquisition! <mwhudson> lifeless: well yes, i would hope we'd have learnt the lesson a mere 10 years later <rockstar> I just realized that I misspelled "hole" I used to not have these issues until we published that writing style guide. I think it broke me. <mwhudson> (about, what, 15% we've been programming _at all_ as a race?) <lifeless> style guides are overrated <lifeless> :P <flacoste> me #launchpad-dev 2009-07-20 <wgrant> What happened to 2.2.8? <Ursinha> wgrant, why? <wgrant> Ursinha: I see a whole lot of stuff deferred to 2.2.9, but 2.2.8 doesn't exist. There's also no calendar past 2.2.7. <jml> wgrant, hasn't an email gone out about that? <wgrant> jml: Not that I've seen. <jml> ok. I'll hassle some folk. <wgrant> Nor has there been anything about the open sourcing, which looks to be happening soon given the RC license fixes... <noodles775> sinzui: can I assign a registry-related question to you? <noodles775> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/77463 <sinzui> yes <sinzui> but I think that question is about bugs <noodles775> Hmm... ok. I'll check with intellectronica <noodles775> Thanks sinzui <sinzui> noodles775: the usual rules is this: if the <bug|code|soyuz> was turned off, would the registry still answer the question <sinzui> noodles775: I think we may want something foundation in the mailnotification that does a sanity check that the user is ACTIVE. <noodles775> sinzui: yes, that was why I initially thought of registry. * sinzui wants that feature there because he can add hooks for mutted and vacation settings <noodles775> nice! #launchpad-dev 2009-07-21 <beuno> wgrant, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad <flacoste> mwhudson: is it possible that your branch is stuck in PQM? <lifeless> https://dev.launchpad.net/Getting <lifeless> wgrant: ^ <mwhudson> flacoste: it's possible, i guess spm is the man who'd know * thumper stretches in his new home <jml> smell that? <jml> smells like *freenode* <thumper> heh <rockstar> :) <flacoste> good night guys! <thumper> mwhudson: does loggerhead cause a test run? <mwhudson> thumper: no <thumper> good <mwhudson> it probably causes a make build though <thumper> right <thumper> all this excitement and wgrant isn't around :) <beuno> we should close it again <thumper> beuno: heh <rockstar> Oh man, that's terrible... :) <jml> haha <thumper> beuno: your branch listing page is now the top of my stack <beuno> thumper, awesomeness <thumper> spm: is pqm actually doing anything? <spm> thumper: yes. ssh'ing <spm> about 7 mins ago <thumper> hi BjornT <spm> thumper: I had a stop patch in when I did tghe manual merge for flacoste earlier. forgot to remove it. my bad <thumper> spm: ta <BjornT> hi thumper <thumper> BjornT: welcome to the brave new, public, world <jml> hey guys :) <deryck> Glad I was up late tonight for the big moment. :) <rockstar> deryck, :) <rockstar> deryck, you're CDT, right? <deryck> rockstar, yup. <LaserJock> congrats LP devs! <thumper> LaserJock: thanks <jml> LaserJock, thanks :) <BjornT> deryck: i take it you won't be start working in 5 hours, like usual? :) <deryck> BjornT, no, I will actually. :) <mwhudson> my loggerhead branch landed at last <deryck> BjornT, there's always time for an afternoon nap, after work. :) <LaserJock> it wasn't clear from the announcement, is *all* of LP getting opened or is Soyuz (and Code hosting?) being held back? <jml> it's all there. <lifeless> LaserJock: have a look at the code :P <jml> LaserJock, wysiwyg :) <jtv> flacoste_afk: any chance of getting this crucial fix into the rollout? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jtv/launchpad/bug-401835/+merge/9074 <jtv> flacoste_afk: very last-minute I know, but QA has been a huge bottleneck since May. <LaserJock> lifeless: well, https://dev.launchpad.net/Getting said it can take a couple hours to get the code, I was hoping for a shortcut :-) <mwhudson> LaserJock: it's the lot <beuno> LaserJock, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/devel/changes <rockstar> beuno, as if the servers weren't already going to take a beating, you link to loggerhead and watch it melt too. :) <jml> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/db-devel/files/head%3A/lib/lp/ <jml> even better URL <beuno> :) <beuno> stress test! * beuno is glad he worked on nice URLs for LH <radix> grats everyone :) <jml> radix, thanks :) <thumper> hi Hobbsee <Hobbsee> hey thumper! <Hobbsee> Congratulations all! <spm> hey Hobbsee, early birthday pressie for you :-) <beuno> :) <jml> hi :) <Hobbsee> spm: indeed! <LaserJock> wow, just wow <lifeless> Hobbsee: we look forward to your patches ;) <ScottK> Congratulations everyone. <jml> wuuu https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jml/launchpad/branch-flow-utility <LaserJock> I can't believe this day has come :-) <jml> my first public Launchpad branch <LaserJock> soo much code <jml> LaserJock, yes. yes there is. <beuno> LaserJock, and so much history ;) * mwhudson is very tempted to start drinking <thumper> mwhudson: me too <thumper> mwhudson: and since I'm going to be cooking dinner in about 15 minutes, I may well just pour a nice glass of pinot noir <beuno> it's 2am here, anything goes <spm> thumper: mwhudson: me three, but um, someone needs to make sure servers don't melt :-) <rockstar> mwhudson, _I_ am tempted to start drinking. :) <mwhudson> thumper: problem is, we really need to go shopping... i guess there's always pizza delivery :) <jml> mwhudson, me too :) <LaserJock> is it generally going to require running a local instance of LP to work on bugs? <thumper> LaserJock: it certainly helps <rockstar> LaserJock, the tools to do that aren't terrible. <jml> cjwatson, hi :) <jml> join the party :) * cjwatson waves woozily <rockstar> LaserJock, it's nothing like running the main LP servers. <thumper> spm: did flacoste_afk's branch land? <thumper> spm: I can't tell <LaserJock> rockstar: ok <thumper> spm: LP says nay <thumper> LaserJock: it is "make run" :) <thumper> LaserJock: if you've done the setup <spm> thumper: which one? I manually merged one. should be a listening to Brazilian Girls something <ghindo> I heard it was a party in here <ghindo> Would this be accurate? <thumper> spm: the one that he submitted just before going to bed <rockstar> ghindo, as close to an IRC party as you can get. <thumper> spm: it was in the queue just a few minutes ago <spm> looking.... <jml> kfogel, fwiw, I'm getting a lot of questions about whether or not soyuz & codehosting are included <jtv> g'day spm! got my feature working. :) <thumper> it wasn't very explicit was it? * beuno blogged about it <LaserJock> jml: yeah, everybody was told that soyuz and codehosting weren't going to be included <jml> LaserJock, right. <kfogel> LaserJock: I'm about to send an announcement explaining that we chnaged our minds <kfogel> they have been opened <LaserJock> I'm sure that will give Canonical some extra PR brownie points ;-) <jacob> soyuz is included? <mwhudson> jacob: yes <LaserJock> especially since for a lot of us soyuz is particularly interesting <jml> kfogel, cool :) <jacob> mwhudson: wow, wasn't expecting that. cool. :) <kfogel> LaserJock: let's hope it also gets us some patches, eh? :-) <cjwatson> extra present for me when going to DebConf, one fewer question to answer :-) <LaserJock> kfogel: possibly <LaserJock> cjwatson: exactly <rockstar> cjwatson, :) <jml> cjwatson, :D <LaserJock> I'll have to go through my LP bugs and see if there are any I dare trying to fix myself <thumper> spm: can you see why it didn't land? <spm> thumper: running precommit hook: /bin/false <spm> which tends to um fail <ScottK> cjwatson: If you see Phil Kern there, the fact that Soyuz got opened my affect his gsoc project .... <LaserJock> from what I've heard and what little I've seen, I still don't think contributing is going to be a trivial exercise <thumper> spm: d'uh <thumper> spm: I need to land a testfix branch to get buildbot to rebuild <cjwatson> ScottK: what's his gsoc project? <spm> thumper: hang on. there's a few in here. gimme a bit.... <mthaddon> spm: we usually do that during release-critical to prevent landings to devel and push all landings to db-devel to avoid the amount of time it takes to get through to db-stable <ScottK> cjwatson: Rewriting the Debian build system. <jtv> sinzui, can you help me out with this? I've got some zcml that uses a path_expression that needs to be updated. The new version needs access to an element higher up in the path... can I do that? <spm> mthaddon: yeah... bac was falling afould of it earlier. francis did know, so not sure what's up <mthaddon> thumper: can you resubmit flacoste's branch to db-devel? <cjwatson> ScottK: mm. I think Debian's pretty attached to its own system, I'd be surprised to see them switch to ... <cjwatson> ... LP1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 ... <thumper> mthaddon: I could manually merge devel into db-devel <cjwatson> ... 111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 ... <cjwatson> ... 11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 <cjwatson> doh. sorry! <cjwatson> switch to LP, is what I meant to say <mthaddon> channel spam!! :) <ScottK> cjwatson: Agreed, but it's always interesting to see how someone else solved the problem. <ajmitch> someone's overly excited :) <ScottK> cjwatson: I expect there may be lesson's learned he can now take advantage of. <mthaddon> thumper: that'll happen anyway as a matter of course (devel -> stable -> db-devel) <cjwatson> ajmitch: stuck key repeat due to load :-( <thumper> mthaddon: well it won't * ScottK goes to bed .... * mwhudson opens a beer <thumper> mthaddon: as devel isn't building <thumper> mthaddon: which is what I'm trying to fix <mthaddon> thumper: oh, I see <jml> "Launchpad is a Ruby on Rails blogging platform and CMS. It has categories and tags, RSS, a plugin architecture and theme architecture, and more. It's inspired by Wordpress." -- wtf <jml> the name Launchpad has been taken on ohloh :( <beuno> LOL <thumper> hah <thumper> mthaddon: so... what do we do here? <mthaddon> thumper: I can temp open it up for you to kick it <jml> but the url https://www.ohloh.net/p/launchpad is free. <thumper> mthaddon: that be good <mthaddon> thumper: you ready to do that now? <beuno> jml, trigger the import <beuno> they'll have fun :) <jml> beuno, I have to come up with a name first. <beuno> wonder if they have an up-to-date version of bzr that can handle 2a <thumper> mthaddon: gimmie a minute <mthaddon> k <jml> beuno, interesting question! <ajmitch> problems with branches already? I'm getting 404 on http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/devel/utilities/rocketfuel-setup <ajmitch> not a standard launchpad page saying that the page isn't found, just a boring "Not found" page <beuno> I think that the link is wrong <lifeless> no rev on it <beuno> no? <jml> hmm. ohloh gives 'https://code.launchpad.net/myproject/trunk' as an example branch url :\ <beuno> mwhudson, shouldn't there be a /files/? <ajmitch> https://dev.launchpad.net/Getting will need updated with a working link then <deryck> See you all back in a few hours. :) <lifeless> ajmitch: you can edit the wiki apge :) * deryck sleeps <thumper> mthaddon: ready now <ajmitch> lifeless: I need a working link first :) <lifeless> getting that <mwhudson> ajmitch: bzr cat of that url really should work <spm> ajmitch: that's not a http page - that's a bzr cat to the URL <mthaddon> thumper: go for it <lifeless> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Elaunchpad-pqm/launchpad/devel/annotate/head:/utilities/rocketfuel-setup <jml> beuno, yeah, looks like it doesn't support 2a yet. <lifeless> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/devel/annotate/head:/utilities/rocketfuel-setup <lifeless> ajmitch: ^ <mwhudson> lifeless: no <lifeless> mwhudson: no? <spm> no! don't send folks via loggerhead! <ajmitch> spm: ok, it was bzr cat that was failing for me, honest :) <thumper> mthaddon: ok, it's in the queue <mwhudson> lifeless: the instructions are for bzr cat <that url> <jml> now, where did I put that diagram <lifeless> mwhudson: ah <mthaddon> thumper: k, will wait til it's through and then turn it back off <lifeless> I'm sure lh will survive:) <mwhudson> why it's not working for ajmitch i don't know <ajmitch> bzr: ERROR: Invalid http response for http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Elaunchpad-pqm/launchpad/devel/utilities/rocketfuel-setup/: Unable to handle http code 404: Not Found <ajmitch> is the real error I got <mwhudson> yeah, lh is holding up reasonably well <lifeless> ajmitch: get rid of the trailing / <mwhudson> ajmitch: what version of bzr are you using? <ajmitch> 1.16.1 <lifeless> ajmitch: although bzr may be adding that <beuno> spm, common! LH hasn't failed in what, 2 days? 3? <lifeless> ajmitch: intercepting proxy? <ajmitch> bzr is <spm> beuno: edge update/restart about 6 hours ago. I win. QED etc :-P <ajmitch> I'll unset http_proxy & see if it helps <LaserJock> ajmitch: I get the same <LaserJock> and I have no proxy <ajmitch> no difference <beuno> spm, that's just out of habit, I'm sure * mwhudson tries with 1.16.1 <mwhudson> ajmitch: do you have pycurl installed? <ajmitch> LaserJock: I'm glad it's not just me going mad <thumper> mthaddon: I have to go and start cooking now, will check back in about 10 minutes * mwhudson clutches at straws <LaserJock> ajmitch: well .... it could be both of us ;-) <mthaddon> so what's the actual command you're running that's failing? <ajmitch> mwhudson: I do <kfogel> wgrant: ping <lifeless> I think everyone has been underestimating the load we can handle :P <LaserJock> mthaddon: bzr cat http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/devel/utilities/rocketfuel-setup > rocketfuel-setup <ajmitch> mthaddon: bzr cat http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/devel/utilities/rocketfuel-setup > rocketfuel-setup <kfogel> lifeless: yes -- habitual paranoia, but so far no problems <lifeless> ajmitch: it works for me <mthaddon> me too... <lifeless> takes its own sweet time (but I'll be spanked if I tell you better url's to use :P) <mwhudson> bzr 1.16.1 seems to be taking aaages <lifeless> ajmitch: is it possible you have an intercepting proxy doing the wrong thing <ajmitch> it's not instantly failing if I try on another box at work, running jaunty <mwhudson> lifeless: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/devel/annotate/head:/utilities/rocketfuel-setup > rocketfuel-setup isn't going to get you a very useful shell script <lifeless> mwhudson: lp: <ajmitch> it's possible, but I'm not aware of any proxy in the way <LaserJock> it's failing rather quickly for me <lifeless> ajmitch: do this please <LaserJock> on Jaunty with bzr 1.16.1 <lifeless> LaserJock: you too <lifeless> wget -S http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/devel/.bzr/repository/pack-names <ajmitch> ok, I get a failure on jaunty on a computer with a different ISP about branch version at least <LaserJock> lifeless: that works fine <mwhudson> 1.16 worked for me <ajmitch> lifeless: that grabbed a file <mwhudson> (and i do have an intercepting proxy, thanks voda!) <lifeless> LaserJock: ajmitch: I want to see the headers you got <ajmitch> one second <ajmitch> http://paste.ubuntu.com/223265/ <lifeless> ajmitch: thats from the failing machine? <ajmitch> yes <LaserJock> lifeless: you mean this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/223266/ ? <lifeless> ok, you seem to be getting the right root node then <lifeless> try running the command again with -Derror -Dtransport <LaserJock> lifeless: the wget or bzr command? <lifeless> bzr <mwhudson> ajmitch, LaserJock: the script we're trying to get is here btw: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/223269/ <cjwatson> I'm seeing bzr cat fail too <mwhudson> (in case you want to get the pull running in the background) <jkakar> Congratulations Launchpad team. It's great to see this happen. :) <cjwatson> wget -S: http://paste.ubuntu.com/223270/ <ajmitch> http://paste.ubuntu.com/223271/ for the updated bzr cat output <cjwatson> -Derror -Dtransport shows a traceback: http://paste.ubuntu.com/223272/ <ajmitch> mwhudson: thanks <LaserJock> lifeless: http://paste.ubuntu.com/223273/ <cjwatson> I'm on Karmic with bzr 1.17 <cjwatson> err, or rather bzr 1.17~rc1-1 <lifeless> ah <lifeless> its bzr-svn FAIL <mwhudson> er ah eh <mwhudson> bzr-svn!! <lifeless> run with --no-plugins <mwhudson> yeah <ajmitch> aha <lifeless> mw care to get the karma for filing the bug? :) <mwhudson> i guess i'll edit the wiki page <ajmitch> ok, I'm getting some progress fetching stuff now :) <cjwatson> --no-plugins works <lifeless> mwhudson: care to get the karma for filing the bug? :) <mwhudson> lifeless: looking now <LaserJock> lifeless: --no-plugins works for me as well <mthaddon> thumper: success <lifeless> its open_containing failing is all <jml> rs=me :( <mwhudson> jml: what? <mwhudson> oh <jml> someone just landed a revision with that tag. <nxvl> hi, is there any ppa where i can get a bazaar that allows me to download the LP codE? <ajmitch> lifeless: thanks for tracking that down <mwhudson> nxvl: ~bzr ppa? <mwhudson> ajmitch: sorry for not testing harder <nxvl> mwhudson: https://edge.launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive/ppa that one? <mwhudson> nxvl: yeah * mwhudson notices that 1.17 arrived there 17 minutes ago... <LaserJock> what's User sabdfl for in Host bazaar.launchpad.dev for the ssh config? <spiv> Heh. <spiv> convenience of manual testing of the ssh server; 'sabdfl' is one of the users in the sample data. <LaserJock> ah, i see <LaserJock> but all this /etc/hosts and ssh config munging is local, right? <thumper> jml: I just copied what flacoste_afk did :) <thumper> mthaddon: thanks, I'm EOD now <mthaddon> thumper: me too :) <jml> LaserJock, yeah, that's local. <jml> spiv, and that's obsoleted convenience -- ./utilities/make-lp-user <your-user-name> is much nicer. * spiv nods <thumper> mwhudson: want to copy the using lp codehosting to dev.launchpad.net? <mwhudson> lifeless: it's a bit odd, open_containing_tree_or_branch doesn't fail with my local apache <mwhudson> but surely does against bazaar.launchpad.net <mwhudson> thumper: ok, filing a bzr-svn bug first <thumper> mwhudson: ok * thumper is really away now <lifeless> mwhudson: fun <mwhudson> lifeless: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr-svn/+bug/402063 anyway <ubot3> Malone bug 402063 in bzr-svn "bzr-svn breaks open_containing_branch_or_tree against bazaar.launchpad.net" [Undecided,New] <jml> I hadn't seen that doc before <mwhudson> jml: you mean the doc i wrote this morning? <jml> mwhudson, yeah. :) <jml> mwhudson, I saw the timestamp, but I'd never knew that such a doc was brewing <mwhudson> jml: thumper kept bugging me about it in standups * jml is obviously a terrible listener. <henninge> I am here ... <henninge> ! <mwhudson> :) <mwhudson> jml: now at https://dev.launchpad.net/Code/HowToUseCodehostingLocally, any idea where to link to it from? <henninge> spm: Can you please clear the translation import queue on staging for me? If jtv does not object ... * jtv does not object <henninge> spm: "delete from translationimportqueueentry" <spm> henninge: sure. one sec. <jml> mwhudson, probably from https://dev.launchpad.net/Code for now <jtv> spm: may take a while to replicate... <jtv> we're talking what, 150K entries? <jml> mwhudson, I just added the system diagram there. <spm> henninge: jtv: DELETE 129367 commit> <spm> ? <henninge> spiv: please do. <henninge> spm: ^ <spm> fail :-) <spm> henninge: commited * jtv plugs ears * jtv squats under table <henninge> %Â§Î©#* auto-completion <henninge> jtv: all is well <mwhudson> jml: done <henninge> spm: thank you <jtv> henninge: and the one place where you really want auto-completion nobody ever wants to implement it. I keep asking for tab password completion, but do they listen? <jml> mwhudson, woot. <henninge> jtv: Sounds like the next Windows feature for me! <jtv> henninge: well Windows doesn't have that problem. "Hi, you typed the wrong password 3 times. Would you like to create a new one?" <jtv> lifeless: had a bit of weirdness with my bzr branches if I build my TransformPreview but do not go on to commit anything... when I unlock the branch it says the lock was broken. <jtv> lifeless: as if the info file wasn't found for some extraneous reason (never moved into place unless I commit maybe?) <henninge> spm: can you please run the poimport script on staging for me. It is running from cron every 20 min but for speed I'd appreciate a manual run. <lifeless> probably there is a transform thing you need to call to tell it you're not recording the result <jtv> lifeless: any idea who might know? <henninge> spm: "cronscripts/rosetta-poimport.py" just that <lifeless> jtv: abentley; but - show me the backtrace <jtv> spm: btw is it really 20 minutes? That's fine, but istrm we had it set up for much fewer runs initially. <spm> jtv: yah. every 20 <jtv> spm: that's great, thanks. <jtv> makes QA a lot easier. <spm> henninge: running <jtv> lifeless: hang on, I'll reproduce. <spm> henninge: done. I should have waited. <jtv> The problem! The problem! I'll reproduce _the problem_! <henninge> spm: thanks. why? <spm> henninge: normally poimport runs for ages. finished in < 30 secs <henninge> spm: that's because we cleared the queue first! <jtv> spm: ages? Shouldn'tâafter 8 minutes (iirc) it stops taking on jobs and leaves the rest of the queue to the next script run. <mwhudson> so is the news going to hit slashdot, i wonder... * maco hugs all <spm> jtv: I may be talking based on old info - but I can find out if desirable? <LaserJock> mwhudson: and digg and LWN and ... <mwhudson> LaserJock: yeah <mwhudson> but i think the slashdot effect is still real, all these years on <jtv> spm: hmm... would be nice to knowâyes please. <jtv> lifeless: https://pastebin.canonical.com/20127/ <lifeless> jtv: pastebin.ubuntu.com these days, surely :) <lifeless> jtv: brand new world <jtv> lifeless: oh, I wasn't aware of that one. I just type "paste" and let my browser figure out the rest. <lifeless> sorry, paste.ubuntu.com <lifeless> well, open :) <lifeless> so, something is holding a lock on the branch <jtv> lifeless: I am. <lifeless> oh actually <jtv> A write lock. And when I unlock it, boom. <lifeless> that message says 'the lock was broken while open' <lifeless> so perhaps something deleted the branch? <lifeless> its in your teardown <lifeless> is it possible you're causing 'rm -rf', 'branch.unlock()' to happen, in that order? <henninge> spm: I'd like to put staging into read-only mode for a few minutes. <spm> henninge: ? why not just use the slave? <henninge> spiv: This is a patch that does that, can you apply it please and restart staging? https://pastebin.canonical.com/20128/ <beuno> already on it's way to digg: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Canonical_releases_complete_source_code_for_Launchpad <henninge> spm: No, the fix I am QA'ing checks that configuration directive. <henninge> spm: The bug is specifically about read-only mode. <henninge> bug 380852 <jtv> lifeless: it's the first teardown I do, afaik. I could try doing the unlock explicitly at an earlier stage; hang on. <henninge> bug #380852 <ubot3> Malone bug 380852 in rosetta "translation page shows editable fields while in read only mode" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/380852 <henninge> ah! <henninge> spm: is the restart still such a pain with buildout? <jtv> lifeless: you're right, it happens in the teardown but not if I unlock before then. <jtv> lifeless: maybe useBzrBranches puts its cleanup in the wrong place? <spm> henninge: patched and restarted <henninge> spm: great! <lifeless> jtv: use addCleanup rather than tearDown <jtv> lifeless: already made that change in an as-yet unlanded branch, though it wasn't enough to fix the problem. <henninge> spm: thank you very much! Everything works as expected. <spm> henninge: revert? <henninge> spm: Can you just revert or would you like a patch? <spm> revert is fine <henninge> spm: ;-) <henninge> spm: please do * henninge is blazing through the test plan here ... <spm> henninge: is back <henninge> spm: cool, that was a great help! <VK7HSE> just in the throws of setting up a local copy of LP here... \o/ <jtv> VK7HSE: I hope that's "throes," not "exception throws" :) <VK7HSE> yeah something like that !!! ;) <\sh> what did I read? LP is opensourced? Congrats to everybody involved...good job :) <jtv> I guess the word is out then <VK7HSE> https://dev.launchpad.net/Getting * beuno changed the topic of #launchpad-dev to: Launchpad Development Channel | https://dev.launchpad.net/ | Please use #launchpad for support. | https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-dev | Get it: http://identi.ca/notice/6403823 * beuno changed the topic of #launchpad-dev to: Launchpad Development Channel | https://dev.launchpad.net/ | Please use #launchpad for support. | https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-dev | Get it: https://dev.launchpad.net/Getting <beuno> COPYNPASTE FAIL <beuno> should go to bed <mwhudson> failures in buildbot :( <mwhudson> all seemingly to do with uncollectable garbage :( <jml> mwhudson, actually no. <mwhudson> no? <jml> mwhudson, one of them is to do with the move of bzr to buildout. <mwhudson> jml: oh "yay" ? <jml> mwhudson, it ought to be fixed when my branch is finished running through ec2test. <mwhudson> jml: oh ok <jml> except that's going to db-devel <jml> hmm. <henninge> jtv: any clue how to best QA bug #388473 ? <ubot3> Malone bug 388473 in rosetta "POTMsgSets on page not in ascending sequence order" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/388473 * lifeless changed the topic of #launchpad-dev to: Launchpad Development Channel | https://dev.launchpad.net/ | Please use #launchpad for support. | https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-dev | Get it: https://dev.launchpad.net/Getting | http://paste.ubuntu.com/ <jtv> henninge: in a case like this I'd just make sure that the page works properly, and let the oops reports show that the bug is gone. <henninge> jtv: cool, can do that ;) <jml> mwhudson, and hey, that just finished with ec2test. I'll retarget the branch for devel & land appropriately <kfogel> mwhudson, jml: yeah, somewhere we need to explain our four trunks thing, in the dev wiki... <thekorn> congrats everybody! <kfogel> thekorn: hey there! Thank you. Enjoy :-). <jml> kfogel, yes. but not today
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