#ubuntu 2004-10-01 <Deft> jvic, what else do you have that it should show as well as your hard disk? <jvic> Netwolf: marillat is a Debian repository for mplayer packages <Wsquared> Thanks folks, switching to oss in mplayer worked. Next I'll try totem-xine. <jvic> Deft: i've got 4 primary partitions, and 2 extended partitions... shouldn't it list them? Also, i've got a free space on my disk that i've setup for Ubuntu to use (allocate a new partition there). But it didn't list the free space too... in other words, i don't know how to install Ubuntu without having to erase my entire disk. <bolivar> jvic: durring the install when it searches your drive and it asks if you want to write the partitions say no....youll 'should' then have the option to see everything <bolivar> during that is <theantix> jvic, I had the exact same problem (https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1253) -- are you sure your partitions are okay? Can you check in parted to see if parted can see them? <Wsquared> For the totem-xine fans: Synaptic wants to delete totem-gstreamer in order to install totem-xine. What's up with that? <tseng> Wsquared: they block each other for obvious reasons <phlaegel> Wsquared: you can only use one of the totem backends <jvic> theantix: coincidentally, before trying to install Ubuntu, i tried to use Qtparted, but i can't.. when i select my HD, it just exists. <phlaegel> they do the same thing <jmhodges> ok.. <jmhodges> i've now tried 3 iso d/ls <jmhodges> and md5 checked the last one <jmhodges> it matched <jmhodges> but bsdutils is still corrupted on the iso <jmhodges> argh. <Wsquared> OK--I didn't know what totem-gstreamer was! <Deft> jmhodges, if you are sure that's where the problem is, you could mount the iso and change it, but if the md5s match, that would be very wierd <bolivar> jmhodges: you could try a daily release instead <jvic> theantix: so, how did you discovered/solutioned the problem? Because it seems it's the same problem <bolivar> when i installed i used the daily from the 16th <bolivar> http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/ <theantix> jvic, I got my data off and started again from scratch -- ugly solution, but that's what I had to do <jvic> theantix: oh well... guess i won't be installing Ubuntu soon :( <jvic> theantix: damn it... do you have any idea what might have caused the problem? <theantix> if your partition table is invalid, you'll need to fix it eventually before you suffer data loss <jvic> theantix: how did you find out your partition table is invalid? <Wsquared> When I installed totem-xine, the install got to the text window, and printed the usual messages about setting up... <theantix> jvic, not entirely sure but I think it was something to do with resizing ntfs with the mandrake installer (should have used qtparted instead I know now) <jmhodges> bolivar: ok :-/ <bolivar> sorry man, only thing that came to mind <Wsquared> ... but after it printed "Setting up totem-xine (156.14.161.142-1) ...", it printed the following message 3 times:** (process:27944): CRITICAL **: file eggdesktopentries.c: line 2226 (egg_desktop_entries_add_group): assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed <Deft> that's new, is that after running it you mean? <matthewjs> i cant get totem to play dvds, is anyone else having problems? <Deft> matthewjs, run totem from a shell <matthewjs> i did <Deft> what did it say? <Wsquared> Deft: Was that for me? This message occurs in the "Terminal Output" window of Synaptic, after it downloads the files. <matthewjs> Deft: Error invoking "dvdnav_get_next_block": Error reading from DVD.. <phlaegel> matthewjs: did you install libdvdcss2? <matthewjs> phlaegel: no <matthewjs> phlaegel: should i? <phlaegel> yes, you can't decrypt dvds without it. <jvic> theantix: how did you find out your partition table is invalid? <matthewjs> phlaegel: its not in apt-get? <leonel> how can I install mod_perl or mod_perl2 with apt-get ? <phlaegel> matthewjs: it will be if you add the marillat source: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main <phlaegel> for all your not-really-legal package needs... <theantix> jvic, I determined that the partitions were overlapping, and thus invalid <jesse_132> is downloading and compiling monodevelop the best way to go or does someone know of a deb? <Wsquared> Now totem-xine gives me sound, but just a blank blue screen. No video. <jmhodges> i saw mention of a LiveCD but my google-fu is week <elim> it worked i have reinstaled ubuntu with the link in and dhcp works :D :D <elim> HORAY <Cardador> anyone know what is needed to play AVI files on totem? <schweeb> Wsquared: try playing a few different types of movies in it <elim> mplayer <schweeb> I had the same problem... it just suddenly went away <schweeb> no, not mplayer <m_tthew> Cardador: install totem-xine from universe <jesse_132> Wsquared, xine gives me video but no sound :( -- on dvd <matthewjs> phlaegel: you sure thats right? W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) <Cardador> ok m_tthew, ill try it <phlaegel> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main <phlaegel> ^^ that's what I have and it works <fred> I'm looking for gtkpbbuttons.... Any Idea where ? <matthewjs> you just add it to the source.lst and it works right? <phlaegel> yep <matthewjs> hrmm <matthewjs> wtf <phlaegel> did you apt-get update/ <m_tthew> after an apt-get update <phlaegel> ? <matthewjs> no <matthewjs> heh. <m_tthew> Cardador: if that doesn't cut the mustard, the mplayer package out of the source phlaegel just posted should work <Cardador> m_tthew: but then i wouldnt use totem? <fred> Any Ubuntu's user with Ibook ? <m_tthew> Cardador: for things totem wouldn't play, yes <Cardador> strange... totem worked fine with debian sid <Cardador> and i have all the win32 codecs <matthewjs> hrmm now it reads my dvd but totem crashes neat <matthewjs> libdvdnav: ifoRead_TITLE_VOBU_ADMAP vtsi failed - CRASHING <matthewjs> totem: vm.c:219: ifoOpenNewVTSI: Assertion `0' failed. <Cardador> m_tthew: totem-xine solved my problem, ty <Wsquared> dvd playing update: I just ran totem again, and it worked. Go figure. Thanks all for the help. <jblack> was somebody looking for me here? <m_tthew> Cardador: np <elmaya> where do i change the runlevel to start without gdm? <Kamion> subterrific: did anyone answer your powerpc question? <Cardador> elmaya: /etc/inittab <elmaya> orale <subterrific> Kamion: no, i'm diving into the kernel source to see if i can fix it myself <subterrific> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1486 <subterrific> turns out it isn't specific to ppc <Kamion> subterrific: fun * Mirno is away: plyground <subterrific> yeah, i've spent the entire weekend playing in the kernel source <Kamion> subterrific: if that patch fixes it I imagine Herbert'll apply it <elim> my mac's screen isnt adjustable so how do i make the image shift to the left a bit? <subterrific> first i upgraded ALSA to the latest rev, and then added a driver for my sound card <elim> its running off the side <subterrific> Kamion: unfortunatly it looks like that patch has already been applied <elmaya> ok im in innitab..what should i change?? <Cardador> elmaya id:2:initdefault <punkass> anyone know what tells the screensaver to come on when the AC isnt plugged in? <Cardador> change it to 1 <punkass> cuz it doesnt seem to be working <elmaya> Cardador, ok to what .. 3? <Cardador> change it to 1 <Cardador> what do you want to do? <Cardador> login in text mode? <elmaya> start with text login <elmaya> yup <Cardador> ok so change it to 1 <elmaya> thanx <Cardador> np <elmaya> brb <Cardador> gl <jesse_132> Any mono developers? <leonel> how can I install mod_perl or mod_perl2 with apt-get ? * Mithrandir whacks libloudmouth <theantix> leonel, I think you want libapache2-mod-perl2 ? <leonel> theantix: would be nice <Wsquared> Noob question: I'm using both ubuntu and GAIM for the first time today. At the top of the screen, to the left of the speaker icon, are a few GAIM icons, two of which have a red circle with a white bar on them. When I click on them, I get the GAIM login window. How do I get rid of these? <leonel> theantix: couldn't find package libapache2-mod-perl2 <Cardador> right click on them, quit <theantix> leonel, enable the "universe" in your sources.list and you should find it after an apt-get update <Wsquared> Cardador: Thanks! I figured it would be something simple like that. * Mirno is back (gone 00:09:31) <leonel> theantix: but it's unsupported will there be any security updates ? <Cardador> Wsquared: NP <Kamion> leonel: not reliably <Cardador> sorry caps <Kamion> leonel: that's part of what "unsupported" means :-) <leonel> Kamion: I know <leonel> Kamion: the sad thing <Wsquared> Is there an ubuntu forum anywhere? <Kamion> Wsquared: not yet, although we are planning to set one up <theantix> Kamion, that would be nice... I prefer that to mailing lists personally <azeem> yeah, mailing lists suck <Cardador> anyone know what is required to play dvds? <Kamion> theantix: bah :-) * Kamion hates fora <theantix> =) <jdub> Cardador: totem-xine (universe) libdvdcss (videolan.sf.net) <Cardador> totem opens the first image of the dvd, but then crashes <theantix> good to have both thn <Kamion> well, won't use them personally, but hey <jesse_132> jdub, do you code in c# ?? <Cardador> jdub: i have both :\ <jdub> jesse_132: no <jdub> Cardador: try running it from a terminal, see what the output is <jesse_132> jdub, dooh... hoping someone has monodevelop working on ubuntu <Cardador> ok <jdub> jesse_132: talk to tseng about it when he's around <tseng> hi <tseng> for the 50th time <jesse_132> tseng, hola ;) to me? <tseng> i couldnt build monodevelop from the debian source pacakge <jesse_132> tseng, ahh me either.. crap <tseng> i have all the deps <tseng> monodevelop itself wont build. <jdub> ahar <Cardador> jdub: a bunch of errors <tseng> i dont use it, so im not going to waste bunch of time trying to fix <tseng> if someone fixes, let me know and ill package <Cardador> libdvdnav and libdvdread crashes <jdub> Cardador: ... i need to know which ones, to help you :) <jesse_132> tseng, did you get gtksourceview-sharp going? that has been my stumbling block <tseng> yes <tseng> ill put a package up just for you <Cardador> jdub: libdvdnav: ifoOpenVTSI failed - CRASHING!!! <Cardador> the other are similar <jesse_132> tseng, cool ;) your debs have been very helpful <tseng> jesse_132: ok apt-get update <tseng> all the deps should be in <tseng> hmm bad libxml2 dep <tseng> mustve got it from sid <tseng> i can rebuild it <jo_> How does Ubuntu relate to Debian concerning packaging? Can Ubuntu users frequently do an apt-get update, to get newer versions of their packages? Or should they wait for the new release every x months? <tseng> jo_: same idea, the stable release will be frozen except for fixes and security updates <neighborlee> can someone assit me with getting mplayer to work..gmplayer specificilly..its installed and Igot no errors during compile yet i'm having trouble gettting GUI to load (even though I put a skin DIR where it told me to in $HOME/.mplayer/Skin) and wondering if anyone else has had to go down this road and knows how to get this workin ;-( <tseng> jo_: the development tree will update <ziggle> i could not get ubuntu to work in VirtualPC on OS X <jesse_132> tseng, is there a reason for -cil instead of -sharp? <tseng> jesse_132: yes thats what the debian packagers named them <jo_> so there's sort of a "stable" and "unstable" tree in Ubuntu too? <tseng> more like stable testing <tseng> because testing becomes the next stable <tseng> unstable never freezes <tseng> there is no such tree in ubuntu <jesse_132> tseng, should gtk-sharp-examples be gtk-cil-examples? <crimsun> jesse_132: -cli stands for "common language infrastructure". See http://www.go-mono.com/ <tseng> jesse_132: look at the repo in a browser <ioguix> hi <jo_> tseng: ok. Just wondering: what do you consider the advantage of switching from Debian unstable to Ubuntu (I'm using an Acer laptop)? <tseng> jo_: great gnome 2.8 packages <tseng> jo_: cool laptop stuff * Mirno is away: play games, that's fun .. hin hin hin <tseng> jo_: a friendly staff of hairy gnomes <ioguix> I just installed ubuntu on my ibook <theantix> tseng, what interesting laptop stuff is there for ubuntu? <jo_> tseng: lol :-) Can you give me some details on the laptop stuff? <tseng> laptop-mode <tseng> cpufreq <jo_> theantix: oh sorry, same question :-) <tseng> acpi integration <ioguix> mmmh...is there an maintner of the ubuntu kernel ? <tseng> ioguix: herbert xu <crimsun> jo_: also, stuff just works after you install it. No mucking with fonts, fontconfig, menus, packages, etc. <ioguix> tseng: thank <tseng> nps <crimsun> jo_: after you complete the installation, you have a beautiful gnome 2.8 system without any mucking. <tseng> jesse_132: building libxml2 update now <tseng> hopefully it wont break other stuff wanting the older lib <tseng> its a minor version difference <theantix> is laptop-mode described anywhere? I don't see a man page, and I'm running unbuntu on a laptop... just wondering if I'm missing something <tseng> theantix: in the kernel docs <tseng> or maybe on kerneltrap <tseng> ill look <ioguix> mmmh...euh...how can I talk to him ? <tseng> ioguix: bugzilla <tseng> or the -users list <ioguix> oki <tseng> if yo uhave a question <tseng> address everyone <tseng> and someone will answer <theantix> tseng, found on google, thanks <tseng> theantix: nps <ioguix> maybe it could be interesting to talk about my pb here... <ioguix> yes <ziggle> peannut butter? <jo_> crimsun, tseng: thanks for the info. Might consider Ubuntu, it seems pretty cool at first sight. One problem: I like quite bleeding edge packages (not experimental-like though).. Examples: latest gaim, firefox releases... How is this handled by Ubuntu? <ioguix> so, I have an mp3 player which has an SD card support <Wsquared> Hey, crimsun's comment about mucking with fonts reminded me of a problem I have with mplayer. When I run it, I get an error window that says "New_Face failed. Maybe the font path is wrong. Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf)." <ioguix> so , I need the SCSI_MULTI_LUN option in the kernel... <tseng> jo_: ubuntu has very new stuff, but its frozen now <tseng> jo_: security updates only <jdub> jo_: gaim and firefox will actually be updated for our final release (along with gnome), everything else is frozen <tseng> jo_: i imagine what will happen is, you can follow the next release <tseng> jo_: or people like me will backport packages <jdub> jo_: once our development branch opens, you can track it for daily updates <IkeKrull> i'd like to suggest including kernel source on ubuntu CD <ioguix> currently, I compil my kernel, but I don't know why this option is not support by default... <IkeKrull> for final <tseng> ioguix: bugzilla <bskahan> did a fresh install of warty, to replace my really ugly warty-over-debian setup <tseng> er <ioguix> it's not really a bug, but a feature.... <tseng> @ IkeKrull , bugzilla <ioguix> ok <ioguix> bugzilla :) <tseng> but you too actually <tseng> everyone file lots of bugs :) <jdub> ioguix: because it can cause problems with some devices <tseng> for your requests for hoary <bskahan> install went very weel everything seems to work out of the box except nvidia driver doesn't modprobe before gdm starts <jo_> jdub, tseng: ok, thanks. Another question: how about installing the Sun JDK? It was a real "pain in the ass" in Debian. <jdub> jo_: there are some packages mentioned on the wiki <Cardador> bskahan: put nvidia on /etc/modules <tseng> jesse_132: libxml updated <jo_> jdub: OK, I'll have a alexanderlisa@example.com. I used Gentoo for a while, and "emerge sun-jdk" was a lot easier :-) <IkeKrull> yeah i have a multi-card reader that would requirre multi-LUN <jdub> jo_: making proprietary software work is not our immediate priority <bskahan> Cardador: thanks, I'll do that <ioguix> jdub: maybe supporting it as module could be nice ? <jdub> ioguix: i don't believe you can build it as a module <ioguix> In fact, I just test the auto-mount support in gnome with my player <jdub> ioguix: please file a bug, it'll be looked at (lots of card readers require it now) <ioguix> jdub: arf <ioguix> ok <ioguix> I will look for send a bug in bugzila... <jesse_132> tseng, got it, thanks... still cannot compile monodevelop either though :( <ioguix> in https://bugzilla.no-name-yet.com/ right ? <tseng> ioguix: /topic <jdub> tseng: you shouldn't need the latext libxml foo for mono stuff <jo_> jdub: OK. I understand this completely. An easy-package would be handy though. Just wondering how Sun JDK differs from the "non-free" section really. I prefer Ubuntu to keep Debian's policy regarding free software, as most desktop-ready distro's lack this kind of policy. <tseng> jdub: the libgtksourceview-cil package wants it <jdub> tseng: you should be able to drop the depends back <tseng> not sure if its a hard dep of i could back it down <tseng> yes ok <tseng> i will do that shortly :) <jdub> if possible, make stuff use things in warty :-) <jdub> (main, not universe) <tseng> its pretty close so far <Mithrandir> jdub: uploading rc bugfixes is ok now, right? <theantix> jo_, I had no problems installing sun java and mozilla plugins using sun's instructions <ioguix> tseng: oops, thanks :) <jdub> Mithrandir: with confirmation <Mithrandir> jdub: from you or mdz, right? <jdub> yeah <Mithrandir> jdub: http://raw.no/patches/loudmouth-0.17.1-amd64.diff ; tested on AMD64 and i386. <Mithrandir> without it, gossip just sits there, since the callback is never activated. <jo_> theantix: I used the debian java howto, and symlinked the mozilla plugin... Which went fine, but I don't quite see my parents doing it :-) <jdub> Mithrandir: bug#? <theantix> jo_, indeed <Mithrandir> jdub: 1442 <jdub> ta <Mithrandir> jdub: the comment in it is wrong, obviously, since I haven't uploaded, but I forgot procedure, mea culpa <jdub> 'scool <carlos> night! <tseng> jdub: how could i downgrade to libxml2 in warty <Mithrandir> jdub: does that mean "please upload" in australian? ;) <tseng> i removed sid from my sources.list <Mithrandir> tseng: if you have an /etc/apt/preferences file which looks like: <Mithrandir> Package: * <Mithrandir> Pin: release a=warty <Mithrandir> Pin-Priority: 1100 <Mithrandir> and you then run apt-get dist-upgrade, it'll downgrade all packages to warty. <Mithrandir> if you just want libxml2, use Package: libxml2 <tseng> Mithrandir: ah, cheers! <jo_> I just decided to try it out :-) I'm downloading the ISO right now. I really hope Ubuntu proves to be the solution for Debian on the desktop! Thanks in advance for all your work, jdub and the rest of the developers! <MrPiddlz> Has anyone gotten their ATi drivers to work with direct rendering yet? <matt2> ola... anyone know how to tell your printer to use the gimp drivers? <matt2> They're installed already.. not sure where though <MrPiddlz> matt2: Were you refering that to me? Because if yes it didn't have direct rendering on. <matt2> MrPisslz: Nope, not too sure what you're talking about. What didn't have direct rendering? <matt2> err <matt2> haha speeled your name wrong <MrPiddlz> xD. <jmhodges> ah, hm.. ok I don't have a burner available at the moment, but i do have a few rescue/Knoppix cds that I possibly have loopfs support.. if they do, how would i startup the ubuntu install on the looped iso? <tseng> Mithrandir: hm that wants to rm a bunch of stuff in the process <matt2> Pisslz haha <jmhodges> s/I possibly/possibly/ <Mithrandir> tseng: it shouldn't remove stuff not on the system, unless it gets unfulfilled dependencies. <MrPiddlz> Well when xserver starts I do glxinfo and I find out I have no DRI and no direct rendering. <tseng> gedit, gedit-commono etc etc <Se7h> hey there <matt2> anyone know where the gimp-print drivers are installed? <jmhodges> hmmph.. apparently, the install process is more complicated than i originally thought eh? <Adonijah> jmhodges, looped iso install may not be possible, there have been reports of failures trying to do it on the mailing list <Kamion> jmhodges: I don't know of any way to do an install like that <Kamion> jmhodges: netboot might be more plausible <jmhodges> netboot? <jmhodges> i see a directory with that name <jmhodges> sorry, im a complete debian newb :-/ <matt2> I want to print in higher resolution than 720 =( <Kamion> netboot = stick kernel+initrd on another machine, boot it over the network by PXE (if i386) <jmhodges> tried once a few years ago and got my ass handed to me by 10+ corrupted floppies (looong story) <jmhodges> Kamion: ah <Kamion> jmhodges: you could also sign alexanderlisa@example.com :) <jmhodges> Kamion: did, but im impatient :) <Mithrandir> jdub: prod? <jmhodges> sometime late oct is the first shipment iirc <jdub> Mithrandir: pong <Mithrandir> jdub: 01:17 < Mithrandir> jdub: does that mean "please upload" in australian? ;) * jdub does not know the correct protocol for responding to a prod ;) <jdub> Mithrandir: yes <Mithrandir> ok, thanks. <jdub> Mithrandir: didn't i write 'upload approved'? <jdub> (it is morning, so...) <Mithrandir> 01:17 < jdub> 'scool <Mithrandir> was what I read. <jdub> Mithrandir: oh, that was, "it's cool for setting the bug status" <jdub> Mithrandir: then i commented on the bug <Mithrandir> ah, ok. <Mithrandir> uploaded now, anyhow. :) <Mithrandir> thanks.. now I'm off to bed.. have to play with evo tomorrow.. <Mithrandir> or probably Tuesday <jdub> gute nacht <bad_ronald> okay, when I log in, gnome displays an error message " "Could not look up internet address of myhost (default: "debian", I renamed it during install), it may be possible to correct problem by adding myhost to file: etc/hosts" So, how do I do that? <bad_ronald> localhost (i.e. default: "ubuntu") is listed there <Deft> bad_ronald, not sure exactly what you mean, but the line in hosts should be "936-429-9875 <hostname> localhost locahost.localdomain" or equivalent <bad_ronald> yes, that line is there, but there were two instances where a hostname had to be supplied during the installation, once during the cd install, then later after the web update, the first was called "ubuntu" and the second was called "debian", "ubuntu" is there but "debian" is not. <bad_ronald> it does read 936-429-9875 at the top, though <Kamion> do you remember the context of the second question? <Kamion> that shouldn't have been asked <Deft> I still don't understand what's happened, but you can add as many names as you want to refer to your computer <tseng> jdub: i think i inadvertantly pulled in a few things from sid, im rebuilding the pkgs w/ more of a clue this time <tseng> im starting to get a hang of what is going on <bad_ronald> It was identical to the first question, only it happened after the web-based package installation, the only difference was the default name given #1: ubuntu, #2 debian, I changed #1 to localhost, and #2 to myhost, I wasn't really sure whether they were different or the same <ponds> gnome 2.8 is in warty right? <jdub> tseng: 8) <tseng> ponds: yes <ponds> im doing a review of ubuntu and userlinux, i have a feeling you guys are going to cream userlinux <bad_ronald> I also have alot of information under the line, that reads: " <bad_ronald> # The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts <bad_ronald> 33ec:265c:71fe:e26d:2682:4ec2:aaa1:99ab ip6-localhost ip6-loopback <bad_ronald> 33ec:265c:71fe:e26d:2682:4ec2:aaa1:99ab0 ip6-localnet <bad_ronald> 33ec:265c:71fe:e26d:2682:4ec2:aaa1:99ab0 ip6-mcastprefix <bad_ronald> 33ec:265c:71fe:e26d:2682:4ec2:aaa1:99ab1 ip6-allnodes <bad_ronald> 33ec:265c:71fe:e26d:2682:4ec2:aaa1:99ab2 ip6-allrouters <bad_ronald> 33ec:265c:71fe:e26d:2682:4ec2:aaa1:99ab3 ip6-allhosts <Deft> ponds, yes <ponds> awesome <ponds> i was really not impressed with userlinux turning on usermin (webmin clone) by default on the desktop install <bad_ronald> Can I just copy the information and write myhost wherever localhost is? <Deft> bad_ronald, ignore those; what does your system think it's called, either from running "hostname", or "cat /etc/hostname"? <Kamion> ponds: ew! <Kamion> bad_ronald: leave localhost alone ... <bad_ronald> it returns "myhost" <Deft> then your /etc/hosts must have "936-429-9875 myhost localhost locahost.localdomain" in it, there shouldn't be anything else to change <bad_ronald> This is all that is written on the first line of /etc/hosts: "936-429-9875 localhost.localdomain localhost localhost" <Deft> change that to what I just wrote <bad_ronald> umm... do I need to be logged as root to modify it? <Kamion> bad_ronald: sudo vi /etc/hosts <bad_ronald> thx <Kamion> (pick your editor) <DimSum> Hey <DimSum> For some reason, my network just stopped working on Ubuntu <DimSum> Anyone have any idea why? <bad_ronald> damn, the terminal cant recognize myhost, so it won't let me sudo <hornbeck> my network stopped earlier today also <hornbeck> I had to reboot my router <yuran> bad_ronald: if the problem is the password, just type in yours... <DimSum> Goddamnit, it was working 5 minutes ago <bad_ronald> okay that did it <DimSum> ifconfig still shows the eth0 device, but it's gone from Network Settings <bad_ronald> how do I save changes in vi? (sorry I'm new to this) <yuran> ESC :w <Kamion> :wq to save and exit <bad_ronald> thx <Kamion> nano is an easier editor if you aren't used to vi <DimSum> See this is why I hate linux <DimSum> When something goes wrong, you're up shit creek <thaytan> DimSum: funny, I feel the same way about windows <DimSum> I'm not going to be drawn into a Windows vs Linux argument <DimSum> My networking is broken on Ubuntu, and that's unacceptable <Deft> DimSum, just admit you're wrong then :) <theantix> Deft, indeed =) <DimSum> Pardon? <DimSum> How am I wrong? <DimSum> I'm up shit creek. This is unfixable. <Kamion> DimSum: please calm down, it's generally impossible to help someone who's in a bad mood <thaytan> what's wrong? <DimSum> Networking isn't working <Kamion> DimSum: does 'ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0' help, or at least help show what might be wrong? <DimSum> And the eth0 device isn't showing up in Network Settings <DimSum> "Interface eth0 not configured" <DimSum> Unknown interface eth0=eth0 <theantix> linux newbie support 101: claim something is worse than windows, 10 idle people will become alert and try to help you <Kamion> DimSum: ok, so does eth0 appear in /etc/network/interfaces? <jsc> hahaha <Chriffer> ifconfig -a should list all the network thingers you have <DimSum> Nope <DimSum> eth1 does <DimSum> Chriffer: eth0 is displayed there <DimSum> Which is what's confusing me <Kamion> theantix: actually it would have caused me to totally ignore the whole thing on #debian <Kamion> anyway :) <DimSum> If I try to add a new adapter using Network Settings, it adds it as eth2, then crashes completely <theantix> =) <Kamion> DimSum: 'ifup eth1', then? <DimSum> No, I don't want to touch eth1 <DimSum> That's the wireless; and it's busy <Kamion> aha <DimSum> I want the ethernet to work, which it did 5 minutes ago <Kamion> so how come you had a network interface that's not in /etc/network/interfaces? <DimSum> Hell if I know? <DimSum> It just broke <DimSum> I was surfing happily one minute, then the next it wasn't working <DimSum> So I rebooted <Kamion> I'm pretty sure the installer won't have set it up that way; maybe this network settings thingy did that, I don't work on that end of the distribution :) <DimSum> No, it was working fine; hence the problem <DimSum> I didn't touch anything, and it just stopped working <DimSum> So er, can I manually edit /interfaces to fix it? <Kamion> for a static network interface, you generally want something in /etc/network/interfaces like this: <Kamion> iface eth0 inet static <Kamion> address 936-429-9875 <Kamion> network 936-429-9875 <hornbeck> DimSum: try rebooting the router <Kamion> netmask 936-429-9875 <DimSum> hornbeck: I'm connected fine at the moment <Kamion> (and 'auto eth0' on a previous line if you want it to come up automatically) <DimSum> From my Windows box <DimSum> So no. <DimSum> Kamion: How about for DHCP? <Kamion> for DHCP: <Kamion> auto eth0 <DimSum> iface eth0 inet dhcp ? <Kamion> iface eth0 inet dhcp <hornbeck> DimSum: I had same problem this morning, windows box connected Ubuntu did not. Reboot router everything fine <Kamion> then 'ifup eth0' and see what happens <DimSum> hornbeck: You're missing the point, the adapter has disappeared from Network Settings <hornbeck> fine <Kamion> I bet network settings reads /etc/network/interfaces; that's what it should do on a Debian-style distribution <necival> Strange problem: I have "rw,user" for my /dev/sdb1 but when my user mounts it, it's read only. And for my external usb, I have the same, rw,user but when a user mounts it he can't read nor write it. <Kamion> which would explain why it's not there any more, but not why it was there in the first place <DimSum> Kamion: Works fine <Kamion> eth0 working now? <DimSum> Got the device back in Network Settings, as well <DimSum> Yeah; thanks <Kamion> cool <DimSum> See this is what pisses me off <DimSum> One minute, you can be using Linux <DimSum> And everything can be working relatively fine <DimSum> And the next, something breaks <DimSum> For no apparent reason <Kamion> no, I've never seen this kind of thing happen before <DimSum> I have; with practically every distro I've ever used <Kamion> however, I'd have to be sitting in front of your computer to work out what was wrong, unfortunately <Kamion> from my perspective the problem is currently unreproducible :-/ <DimSum> ;P <DimSum> Unfortunately, like I said, it didn't appear to have an actual cause <DimSum> If it was something I'd done, I could understand it <DimSum> But I hadn't been messing around with settings or anything <Kamion> well, the fact that it wasn't in /etc/network/interfaces is at best interesting <Kamion> was this an interface you configured during the initial Ubuntu installation? <Kamion> I'm suspecting not, since you only get to configure one at that point <Wsquared> I would like to try the nvidia graphics driver that is on their website. Anything I should be aware of before trying it? <Deft> Wsquared, nvidias website? it's probably simpler to get the driver with apt instead <DimSum> Yes, it was the device that was configured at the start of the installation <DimSum> Hence it being eth0 <DimSum> Rather than eth1 ;P <theantix> anyone here figure out how to use mplayer as a mozilla plugin on Ubuntu? <Wsquared> Deft: Aha, there are nvidia packages. I currently have just nvidia-kernel-common installed. Do I need to install more than nvidia-glx? <Wsquared> I read a bit more--I suspect I'll need nvidia-kernel-source. I guess I should RTFM a bit more... <Deft> Wsquared, linux-restricted-modules... contrains the module itself (from memory anyway) <Kamion> DimSum: no, that's not at all obvious from it being eth0, as it happens <Kamion> DimSum: if you have two devices detected, eth0 is simply the one that got detected first; which one you choose to install is independent of the order of detection <m_tthew> Does gnome-cups-manager require magic to configure a parallel port printer? Seems I can only select USB ports. <Wsquared> Deft: I have linux-restricted-modules-156.14.161.142-2-386 installed. * netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> niven.freenode.net <Wsquared> If this contains the driver, how do I use it? And what, then, is in nvidia-glx? <jdub> nvidia-glx is the X driver <m_tthew> "nm looks like local issue <Wsquared> OK, so what do I do to get my standard 3D graphics evaluation tools (glxgears and tuxracer!) working at their best? <guest> (newbie here) anybody out there that might be able to help me with my ubuntu networking issues (during install) <Kamion> guest: go ahead and ask <guest> dhcp works, the resolve.conf looks correct (I alt-f2) to check this out while it was trying to contact the ubuntu network for updates ... but it doesn't work, in addition my entire LAN stops resolving after I start using ubuntu (I can go on) <Kamion> can you ping the gateway? <necival> Strange problem: I have "rw,user" for my /dev/sdb1 but when my user mounts it, it's read only. And for my external usb, I have the same, rw,user but when a user mounts it he can't read nor write it. <guest> Kamion: that I didn't try, it's down now, I have to get out of ubuntu, get on my gateway and release/renew my dhcp lease for the rest of my network to get back to normal (i.e. resolve) <Deft> Wsquared, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, select nvidia as your driver, dselect loading dri and glx <guest> Kamion: gateway == router in my case ... <Kamion> they're pretty much synonyms nowadays <Wsquared> Deft: Can I do this while running X? <guest> Kamion: I'm going to restart the install and debug it some more, my connection should be good on my laptop, it's just that any new connections (dns attempts?) don't work after getting into ubuntu ... <Deft> yes, but it won't affect till you've logged out <guest> Kamion: looks like the installation is starting over with the base reconfig, I'm in and can ping and resolve right now, so I'm guessing something gets pooched during the install ... I'm chime in when it stops working and see if the gateway ping still works or not (it is now) <guest> Kamion: hmmm, looks like it's failing to resolve to security.ubuntu.com right now, is that service alive yet in the prerelease? <Wsquared> nvidia is not in the list of drivers; is this the driver provided by nvidia-glx (which I currently do not have installed)? <Kamion> guest: the host is alive, but the ubuntu-security repository isn't there yet <guest> Kamion: update; ok things just wentout to lunch ... networking is no longer working ... I was just pinging google.com, now it has stopped, right after it finished timing out connecting to security.ubuntu.com, I can ping my gateway, but no further it appears ... any thoughts? <hornbeck> has anyone had gnome-terminal just stop working? <hornbeck> mine stopped showing the prompt <Kamion> guest: I'd check /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages as a first resort <Wsquared> I started running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, but since the driver that I want is not there, I want get of the program. There is no cancel option, and hitting escape just move to the next screen. How do I get out of this thing? <Wsquared> "I want get of" == "I want to get out of" <Kamion> Wsquared: just run all the way through, if you accept all the defaults it won't change# <guest> Kamion: lots of messages of course, weedign through them I see a few notes about IPv6, "no routers present", and that it's using IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver ... could this be some sort of IPv6 oddity? In addition, I can ping google.com, but nobody else - it's like google.com is cache'd up or something ... <Kamion> guest: doesn't sound related <nimeplux> hey, has anyone gotten gotten the IVTV driver to compile under Warty? <Kamion> guest: you're not behind some funky paid-for wireless thing, are you? <guest> Kamion: and what's totally bizarre to me is that now my laptop can no longer resolve ... it's like either A) ubuntu ticked off my router, or B) ubuntu is serving out something on my network that is ticking other clients off <Wsquared> Will it ask "Are you sure?" at the end? In the very first screen, I scrolled around a bit to see what drivers were there. I don't know where it was when I hit escape. <Kamion> Wsquared: no, but it saves a backup IIRC <guest> Kamion: no odd wireless stuff ... normal, well working, broadband (cable modem) connection from my home ... it works (repeatablhy after I get out of unbuntu and reset my router) <Wsquared> Could I just kill the console? <Roxim> Hey, I am trying to install the latest nvidia drivers, but I need the kernel source. When I try to apt-get it, it says that it can't find the package. Any thoughts? <Kamion> hm, or maybe it doesn't <Kamion> Wsquared: yes <Chriffer> agt-got install linux-source <Chriffer> maybe spell it right <Chriffer> but I hope you get the idea <Roxim> Chriffer: thanks, that was it. I was trying to install kernel source. :) <Chriffer> they renamed it for some reason, heard it mentioned earlier <Deft> Roxim, you don't need the kernel source if you go straight for the ubuntu packaged nvidia driver <guest> Kamion: now my router won't even renew my lease ... does ubuntu try and run a dhcp server by default? <Roxim> Deft: How would I go about doing that <Roxim> Deft: The one on the disk only gave me a screen with multicolored lines <Deft> you need linux-restricted-modules-whateverkernelversion, and nvidia-glx packages <Kamion> guest: we don't run any servers by default ... you could check with 'ps aux | grep dh', though <tseng> jdub: jesse_132 all the deps should be (correctly) in now, for monodevelop <Kamion> well, that's not quite true, no servers listening on open ports <tseng> i cant build it by hand either <Roxim> Deft: thanks, I'll give that a shot!!! <nimeplux> nm...guess I needed to unpack some of the kernel stuff and try to compile the root modules first <guest> Kamion: Just checked, only dhclient as you might expect. I finally got the router to renew the lease and I can ping again, I guess what started this is I wanted to make sure I could "update" any bugfixes after I installed, is there anything to update to after the base ISO prerelease, or no? <aitrus> just installed warty, and it looks great! <aitrus> is there a run-level/services editor? <guest> aitrus: there is no chkconfig that I know if, there is a debian way to manage the symlinks but the name of that script escapes me right now. <tseng> boys and girls, the moment youve all been waiting for <tseng> we have monodevelop! <guest> aitrus: update-rc.d (do a man on it, I think that's what you're looking for) <aitrus> thanks a lot <aitrus> i've been a redhat user for ages, so i don't know any of the debian basics <jdub> tseng: have you pulled libxml? :) <tseng> jdub: yessir <tseng> monodev going up now <jdub> tseng: i'd prefer not to use an alternative source that replaces stuff in main :) <jdub> rock! <tseng> then you can sync and do a happy dance <tseng> latexer gave me a patch <guest> Is there any easy way to make windows sticky in gnome, like KDE, so they jump/snap to the edges of other windows and the desktop borders? I figured if I'm going to play with Ubuntu for a while I should get used to gnome for a change... <tseng> http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/dev-util/monodevelop/files/monodevelop-0.5-compat.diff?rev=1.1&content-type=text/plain <Wsquared> Off to see if nvidia update has worked... <tseng> ok kids, update now for monodevelop.. <MrPiddlz> Has anyone gotten their ATi drivers to work with direct rendering yet? <Afrodita> Plz Help Me http://www.netwars.ru/go.php?login=patriotina <hornbeck> anyone know what could have caused the prompt in my terminals to go away? <ponds> so is it safe to add debian repositories to my sources.list in ubuntu? <Deft> guest, hold down shift <jdub> ponds: no, best not to <hornbeck> ponds:no <jdub> ponds: you should be able to get most stuff from universe <ponds> ok, cool <jdub> hornbeck: some wacky pty/udev problem? <hornbeck> don't know <hornbeck> jdub: just stopped working <guest> Kamion: things seem to be working for now, I'm doing and apt-get update/upgrade from the restricted source to see if it's something that's been fixed, I'll reboot and cross my fingers. <guest> Deft: ? was that "hold down shift" for me? <confused> <MrPiddlz> No one has gotten there ATi's with direct rendering working in ubuntu? <JanneM> Kamion: did a bug report on the partitioning resize thing <Wsquared> nvidia driver doesn't seem to be working. I installed nvidia-glx, ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 where I selected the nvidia driver, and deselected loading dri and glx. But according to my careful, scientific graphics driver evaluation (run tuxracer), it didn't work. What am I missing? <Wsquared> Oh, and I logged out and back in again after I reconfigured the X server. <Kamion> guest: there have been a few updates since the preview release <Kamion> JanneM: ta <Kamion> JanneM: if you haven't already included /var/log/partman from the installer, I'd appreciate a copy of that <MrPiddlz> Wsquared: Did you read your xfree86 log? <guest> Kamion: I see that, just updated, getting ready to reboot it ... <MrPiddlz> And Why did you deslect dri and glx. <MrPiddlz> Don't you need that? So you can actually run the game? <MrPiddlz> That's the problem I have I got not DRI suppose so no direct rendering. I have an ATi though. <Wsquared> I think the driver is supposed to allow these functions to be performed by the card. <MrPiddlz> I dunno how nvidia works but from everything I read there drivers are easy to install. <Wsquared> But the real reason that I deselected them is because someone here said to! (I already forget--was that deft?) <MrPiddlz> ATi you gotta go through this whole mess to get them to work. <goatboy_> Wsquared: you'll need glx; it's GLcore and dri that you need to disable IIRC. <MrPiddlz> Why don't you re do it again do glx and dri. <MrPiddlz> Yea what goatboy said. <Se7h> this chan as more users day by day <Se7h> nice <MrPiddlz> Has anyone gotten ATi drivers to work? For me I can't modprobe fglrx and it won't initialize DRI <JanneM> Kamion: will do, as soon as I figure out how to extricate it <Se7h> btw <Se7h> talking in drivers <Se7h> does anyone use powervr ? <guest> Kamion: bummer, just rebooted, it trashed my "network" again ... my laptop won't resolve, neither will my ubuntu workstation - what on earth could ubuntu be doing on boot to affect my LAN!?!? <Wsquared> goat, MrP: OK, I'll try again with dri and GLcore disabled. <Kamion> guest: I'm mystified <Kamion> guest: is your DHCP server crashing or something? <guest> Kamion: :) that's why I jumped on here, my DHCP server is my router box ... <jdub> tseng: what did you need to change for gtksourceview? <tseng> jdub: hm, nothing <jdub> tseng: 'cos you've got your own packages in the repo ;) <tseng> what version is in warty? <jdub> 1.0.1-4 <jdub> er <jdub> 1.0.1-2 <tseng> i think i was just smoking crack * jdub put the bong down last night, you can too :) <tseng> :) <tseng> everything else in order? <jdub> looks rad otherwise <tseng> nice <jdub> it's ALL SASS <MrPiddlz> someone tell me really quick how to install rpms in linux? <tseng> rpm -ivh <MrPiddlz> I mean in ubuntu <jdub> MrPiddlz: you won't want RPMs on ubuntu <jdub> (usually) <MrPiddlz> argh.. there's no way with these ati drivers =/ <tseng> yes they are teh sux <jdub> MrPiddlz: we're getting ati drivers <MrPiddlz> ! <jdub> don't go breaking things just yet :) <MrPiddlz> Oh thank god! <calc> ugh fun <calc> the amd64 kernel still won't work with the keyboard on my laptop:\ <JanneM> Kamion: saw the edit on the bug - methinks perhaps that screen could be formulated slightly clearer * calc needs to file a kernel bug <MrPiddlz> jdub when are they coming out o.o <aitrus> are the i686 specific kernels currently missing? when i try to install them with synaptic, it fails (404) <jdub> MrPiddlz: not sure, i kinda thought they should be there already <Se7h> catching the wave <Se7h> jdub what about powervr ? <MrPiddlz> k then i'll just go check partition in a bit and if they are then i'll install them. <jdub> Se7h: not sure <jdub> tseng: hey, none of your packages require those subversions, you could just remove them from your repo <tseng> jdub: yeah it seems like when i get something pulled in from sid though <tseng> and build against it, it gets the dep <tseng> so i need to rebuild <tseng> and i just managed to b0rk something <psyklops> How do I stop nautilus from opening every directory in a new window? <tseng> bah <tseng> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgtksourceview-common_1.0.1-2_all.deb (--unpack): <Se7h> jdub does those powervr.src.rpm work fine on ubuntu ? <tseng> trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc-base/libgtksourceview-common', which is also in package libgtksourceview-doc <jo> hello everyone :-) Just installed ubuntu, but I'm having some problems with totem. I get no video output: "DEBUG: gstgconf: error parsing pipeline xvideosink;no element "xvideosink";GConf video sink not found, using ximagesink" <jo> any ideas? <Se7h> change gsstream <Se7h> or install some video <Se7h> like... <Se7h> xine <Wsquared> MrPiddlz, goatboy_ (and anyone else): It still doesn't work. You were correct about GLCore and glx. These enable software OpenGL rendering. (It says so right in the configure program.) So I disabled GLCore and glx, and re-enable dri, but glxgears is still running at about 380 FPS, and tuxracer is seems jumpy and coarse compared to how I've seen it before on this computer. <jo> Se7h: I tried sdlvideosink and aasink, but those don't work either. <Se7h> yeah <Se7h> probably is the streamer <Se7h> google for xine <Se7h> or someother player <Se7h> VLC is a good one <Se7h> vlc as almost all libs u'll need <m_tthew> jo: install totem-xine from universe <jo> universe? <Wsquared> ... The X server configuration program said that dri must be support in the kernel, the videocard, and in the installed versions of the Mesa libs. <Se7h> ah, one thing <Wsquared> How can I check if dri is supported in the installed version of the Mesa libs? <goatboy_> Wsquared: you have to enable glx and disable GLcore and dri. <Se7h> does anyone have unreal tournament installed? <goatboy_> Wsquared: nvidia's binary is special, it doesn't use dri. <Kamion> JanneM: so if you say yes to that dialog, does it then offer you the size? <psyklops> Se7h: I used to have UT2003 <Kamion> calc: is that just a keymap thing? <Se7h> psyklops what about UT <Se7h> ? <JanneM> Kamion: yes <psyklops> Se7h: if I remember right, the order of the CDs was ALL out of whack in linux <JanneM> Kamion: it feels it really should be asking me for a size first, though <psyklops> Se7h: and there was something you had to do special to stop if from trying to remount on every file <Kamion> _Description: Write the changes to disk and resize the partition? <JanneM> first the size, then ask to do other changes before we do the resize, then do the resize <Kamion> Before the resize operation takes place, the changes have to be written <Kamion> to disk. <Kamion> . <Kamion> You cannot undo this operation. <JanneM> mm <Kamion> hm, I can see your point <JanneM> but since I have not specified a change yet, this sounds very strange <Wsquared> goatboy_: But the X server configuration program specifically said that GLCore and glx enable software rendering. Isn't the point of the card to do the rendering in hardware--so these modules are not necessary? <psyklops> Se7h: if you weren't referring to UT2003, I'm sorry, but I have no experience with any other UT. <Se7h> psyklops i installed UT (the first one) and i got the windrv error <JanneM> it looks a lot like a screen was skipped <Kamion> JanneM: I think it might be because it doesn't know how to calculate the maximum size before you've written the changes to disk <JanneM> and since it's about repartitioning I tend to become very paranoid about it <Kamion> JanneM: how about if the screen were just clarified a bit? <tseng> jdub: youre wrong <JanneM> perhaps "before selecting a new size, we need to do all previously specified changes" <tseng> jdub: here it is: <tseng> Depends: ${net:Depends}, libgtksourceview-common (>= 1.0.1-3) <Kamion> I'm a bit wary of rearranging that code <JanneM> Kamion: yes, make it clearer at least <JanneM> heh <Kamion> JanneM: something along those lines, yeah <Kamion> ok, I'll look at that tomorrow then <Kamion> thanks <JanneM> I'll post a follow up on the bug <JanneM> thanks for the help! <jdub> tseng: what's that? <tseng> jdub: libgtksourceview-cil <tseng> fixing now <goatboy_> Wsquared: I'm not sure what the X configuration program says, but the nvidia-glx package provides an accelerated glx. <calc> Kamion: no for some reason when usb is built as a module it can't see the keyboard/mouse at all <Kamion> calc: ouch <Kamion> calc: lucky my amd64 has a PS/2 keyboard, I guess ;) <calc> Kamion: i managed to get all the other problems with the laptop resolved with acpi kernel maintainers help, not sure what causes this one <calc> Kamion: it is a ps2 keyboard <jdub> $ apt-cache rdepends libgtksourceview-cil <jdub> libgtksourceview-cil <jdub> Reverse Depends: <jdub> monodevelop <jdub> monodevelop <jdub> ^ tseng <jdub> that explains it, i hadn't installed monodevelop :) <calc> for some reason it can't see the ps2 keyboard when usb is a module <tseng> jdub: yeah <jdub> tseng: it ought to build against the -2 subversion <tseng> jdub: but the dep doesnt seem valid <tseng> right everything builds and runs <Wsquared> goatboy_: Yes, and I think that is why glx does not have be be done in software in X, since the card will do it. <tseng> its in the repo now <tseng> im fast like that :) <jdub> :-) <tseng> so.. i think we are clean <calc> i'll have to see if the recent acpi fixes help resolve that issue in 2.6.9 <Wsquared> But unless some combination of options can fry my video card, I guess it can't hurt to try a few more permuations... <jdub> tseng: rocking, yeah, all set :-) <tseng> thanks for all the pointers jdub <Kamion> calc: ah, usbcore isn't modular in the Ubuntu amd64 kernels <calc> Kamion: iirc uhci has to be built non modular as well <Kamion> uhci's modular for us <Kamion> all seemed to work fine, as I say <calc> there were tons of acpi issues with the laptop so i will check to see if a current bk kernel works right <Se7h> offset <Se7h> 227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,0,3,8,245) <Se7h> LIST -aL <Se7h> 553 Invalid file or directory. <Se7h> Invalid response '5' received from server. <acf> can i boot the ubuntu cd in rescue mode or something? i've installed it twice now in vmware, and both times, grub fails with error 18, i think it was <Se7h>
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