#ubuntu-au 2011-10-01 <sagaci> should be seeing a decrease of # of strings, 37 packages were taken out... hopefully some of them were the obsolete gcc packages <somethinginteres> Is anyone else having trouble w/ the Ubuntu One Contacts sync app? It won't connect for me. <head_victim> somethinginteres: I must admit I haven't used that in a long time <somethinginteres> head_victim: no worries, thanks anyway <sagaci> hi <head_victim> Evening sagaci, I'm just working through koffice as we speak ;) <sagaci> yeah, I was a bit cut at around 6:30, when launchpad updated there were about 2 minutes of 100,860 strings to go, but it must have just had a hiccup since it has come down to 91,000 since... which is where I was hoping :) <head_victim> What do you think about https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/dia/+pots/dia/en_AU/+translate?batch=50&show=untranslated <sagaci> yeah thought so, it had a couple of similar ones, like financial confidential and medical confidential <ikt> hurray! <sagaci> head_victim, I wonder if it's worth poking someone in #launchpad about https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/170787 <sagaci> I know it's been only two weeks but I don't really want to see another "ubuntu-au reapproval" happening, assuming it's a flick of a switch? <head_victim> I don't know any of the team members that's been assigned to either <head_victim> If you like I'll ping dpm next time I see him <head_victim> Gday jfer <sagaci> thedac is the only one not away <jfer> hi <jfer> it has been a while <ikt> heya :) <ikt> head_victim, assigned to what? <sagaci> ikt, launchpad operators, for reassigning the owner of en_AU translations <ikt> oh ok <ikt> anyone had a chance to play around with ubuntu 11.10? <jfer> i have been rather busy lately but it is great to hear that the loco is official again! <head_victim> ikt: assigned to sagaci's request to become team owner of enAU translations <sagaci> ikt, I'm on it :) <ikt> jfer: definitely, just trying to think of some things to do from here <ikt> sagaci: nice! i've installed it on my other ssd drive, are you able to do a bootchart? <head_victim> jfer: yep, it's been good reward for the whole team <sagaci> umm, I haven't got it installed atm.. <ikt> bootchart? <ikt> sudo apt-get install bootchart then reboot and image should be in /var/log/bootchart <ikt> i'm just wondering if 11.10 is quite a bit slower than 11.04 or even 10.10 <ikt> quite a bit == noticably <sagaci> yeah it's still kinda slow but from my experience, the regression was from maverick > natty <sagaci> in ref to boot time <head_victim> I've never even looked at boot times, my computer only reboots for power outages or new hardware. <head_victim> Sometimes I get excitable and reboot it just for a new kernel or something. <ikt> I used to be like that but now there's no real point keeping my pc on during the day <ikt> may as well save 230w usage for 10 hours <head_victim> I'm slowly working towards loading up the server so I can turn off the desktops but the rate I'm going that'll be a while <head_victim> We've reduced the desktop count from 4 to 2 though so we're getting there <ikt> what sort of stuff is running on your desktop that you'll move to server? <head_victim> irc, files (media, etc) and probaly more stuff I can't think of right now <ikt> i'll be doing a similar thing <ikt> will probably make a nice huge blog post about setting up my new mitx htcp/file server <head_victim> I'm currently using a quad core 2.33 desktop style PC with 5tb of hdd as my server <ikt> will runs xbmc/delugetorrent/file server of some kind/psi server/mumble/and a bunch of other stuff <head_victim> I was thinking of moving to an i3 2100T (35w tdp dual core ht 2.5ghz) <ikt> nahh <ikt> amd e350 ftw <ikt> gpu+cpu all in one <ikt> i think <head_victim> i3 is that as well <ikt> http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=138_1019&products_id=16940 <ikt> hrmm <ikt> what gpu is in the i3? <head_victim> intel hd2000 <jargonfactory> hi folks \o. <sagaci> can it do 1080p <head_victim> Gday jargonfactory <ikt> amazing <head_victim> sagaci: apprently quite well <head_victim> ikt: the T variant is the low powered one <head_victim> I've seen them idling at 20w for a full system using that cpu <jargonfactory> can't find any info on this font @ http://letsfreckle.com :( <head_victim> jargonfactory: email them :D <ikt> http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i3-2100t.html <ikt> just reading now <jargonfactory> head_victim: heh <head_victim> ikt: sif even look at amd products.... ;) <sagaci> jargonfactory, Helvetica Neue? <ikt> head_victim: I was gonna say the same about intel :P <ikt> i've had less problems with amd/ati then intel/intel <jargonfactory> sagaci: oh hang on i got firebug :) thx <head_victim> ikt: hahaha I've been on intel since p4 and never once had a problem. I do use nvidia cards in desktops though <head_victim> brb, dinner <ikt> I don't know what it is about intel stuff <ikt> but it just comes across so cold and heartless :( <ikt> i've never seen intel do something like this: <ikt> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKN4VMOenNM <ikt> anyone seen the new humble indy bundle? <sagaci> I've seen it but I'm not into that kind of thing <ikt> yeah same <ikt> there was 10 games on the last bundle <ikt> one of them looks interesting to me <sagaci> ikt, do you notice en_US spelling? <head_victim> No idea what happened there <sagaci> * head_victim has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) <ikt> yeah osmosis is a pretty neat game <ikt> sagaci, what do you mean? <sagaci> like, do you see words such as dialog and color and think "they should be changed" <sagaci> chromium is causing pain on my older desktop machine <sagaci> sync seems to be taking forever <sagaci> it's my browser of choice but i've had to revert back to firefox on this machine of late since chromium locks up <airtonix> ikt: i prefer stability over speed, which is why i go intel <sagaci> yay, chromium finally synced, bye firefox <ikt> airtonix: ehhh? <airtonix> ikt: that video you posted <ikt> ohh <ikt> i was more talking about community engagement, amd sponsors a lot of community related stuff <ikt> like overclocking which is the big one <ikt> but yeah I prefer stabilty over speed as well, I just haven't seen any stability issues between amd/intel <ikt> except for my netbook which had this happen: <ikt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/828684 <lubotu2> Launchpad bug 828684 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[i965gm] False GPU lockup EIR: 0x00000010 PGTBL_ER: 0x00000100" [Low,Triaged] <ikt> actually I did have an issue with the ati drivers in 11.04 <ikt> but that was simply because canonical decided to release the updated kernel with the fix in it after 11.04 was released <ikt> bacula is insane <ikt> taking me longer to learn bacula than python <ikt> but this might be due to my motivation for learning a backup program #ubuntu-au 2011-10-02 <ikt> sunday arvo sunny day <ntrly_ow> nm on 10.04.1 keeps asling for wlan password even though it's correct. how do i fix this? <ntrly_ow> *asking <ntrly_ow> Atheros AR2413 <ntrly_ow> nm-applet 0.8 <ikt> ntrly_ow: <ntrly_ow> hi <ikt> heya :) <ntrly_ow> help <ntrly_ow> still buggered <ikt> are you able to update ubuntu 10.04 to the latest and see if that makes a difference? <ikt> iirc they're up to 10.04.4? <ikt> 10.04.3 <ikt> is your mirror set to update from optus? <ntrly_ow> not my pc, helping a friend on the phone <ikt> oh <ntrly_ow> yeah |: <ikt> if worse comes to worse <ikt> switch over to wicd <ikt> and get rid of network manager <ntrly_ow> yeah <ikt> it may have been 10.04 that I had nm issues as well <ikt> wicd fixed everything <ikt> then in 10.10 nm worked again so I haven't bothered with wicd since then <ntrly_ow> dmesg says 'failed to wake up the mac chip' <ikt> sagaci_: seen this? <ikt> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/10/ubuntu-manual-project-oneiric/ <ikt> it's a laptop? <ikt> acer aspire one? <ntrly_ow> desktop <ikt> hrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm <ikt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/432353 <lubotu2> Error: Could not gather data from Launchpad for bug #432353 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/432353). The error has been logged <ikt> I like how Mark Shuttleworth had this issue <ntrly_ow> Atheros AR2413 <sagaci> ikt: no, I hadn't seen that <sagaci> but thanks... I'd probably only help if they coordinate their translations via lp <sagaci> hmm they do <ikt> nice :) <ikt> ntrly_ow: i can't see the status of the bug because kernel.org is down :( <ntrly_ow> 0o <ikt> ntrly_ow: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15382 <lubotu2> Error: Could not parse XML returned by bugzilla.kernel.org: Unknown host. (http://bugzilla.kernel.org/xml.cgi?id=15382) <gorilla> ewww. <ikt> get them to send you the logs and then submit a bug on lp i reckon <ikt> heh so many people with wireless problems * ikt pats his cat6... <ntrly_ow> id keep an ethernet cable as a backup anyway <ntrly_ow> or just tell network mangler to bugger off <ntrly_ow> etc <ntrly_ow> waiting for my friend to call if it doesnt work <ntrly_ow> bbl <ikt> kk * gorilla phone ikt's council to report the excess cats. Only two per household is allowed. <ikt> =o <ikt> http://imgur.com/3eree <gggs> hey guys, I want to create a secure fileserver, I need someone to tell me if it'd work; <gggs> start an ssh server for sftp only (disable shell access, chroot to ~/filehost/), use certificate-based auth only (or give accounts random passwords), and I control access by users generating their own ssh key & sending me the .pub key, and adding it manually. Would this work? <head_victim> gggs: I'm not really sure about that sort of thing, maybe try the mailing list? I know there's heaps more people who read that than are in the room right now <gggs> head_victim: It's probably quicker for me just to give it a go & try (or alternatively: an ftps server), I just wanted to see if someone here had any idea <jargonfactory> gggs: yo - ftps would probably be a good idea for a secure file server <- don quote me on this ;) <jargonfactory> hi folks \o. <gggs> jargonfactory: That's what thinking now too, but that involves a conventional user/pass auth instead of asymmetric keypairs <ntrly_ow> got it fixed <ntrly_ow> updated network manager related stuff by usb tethering phone and using mobile internet <jargonfactory> gggs: ftps with username/password seems fine to me - uses SSL AFAIK <jargonfactory> gggs: unless you want chrooted sftp which does pubkey auth :) <gggs> jargonfactory: Yea that was my first thought, it'd be more awesome but probably a lot more work too :) <gggs> and I guess using ftps means I can keep a conventional ssh server for LAN use, and the ftps for WAN <jargonfactory> gggs: you should be able to key-based auth with ftps (at least that's what this protftpd mod doc tells me) - http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/modules/mod_sftp.html <gggs> jargonfactory: hey you're right, "SFTPAuthorizedUserKeys" <gggs> not sure how many clients would support it <gggs> ftps sounds like a better option, I could even add something to the crontab that starts and kills the server at specific times <xannen> anyone awake? #ubuntu-au 2011-10-03 <ntrly_owl> Is there a good guide on the wiki for replacing network manager with wicd? <jargonfactory> rm -rf `which NetworkManager`; invoke-rc.d wicd restart ? ;-) <ntrly_owl> no thanks <jargonfactory> that's a joke <ntrly_owl> i hope so <jargonfactory> it is. <ntrly_owl> wicd doesnt come installed by default anyway <ntrly_owl> id have thought ubuntu wiki had such a guide <ntrly_owl> seems not <jargonfactory> hi folks \o. <jargonfactory> there's a config for that somewhere no? <ntrly_owl> for what <ntrly_owl> this guide seems odd, it uses bash commands and then unity: http://www.liberiangeek.net/2011/09/having-wireless-wi-fi-trouble-in-ubuntu-use-wicd-network-manager-instead/ <jargonfactory> cool <jargonfactory> ntrly_owl: by config, i meant wicd's config. <ntrly_owl> a config for what exactly? <ntrly_owl> im sure wicd has a config file <jargonfactory> yeah so good. go dig wicd configs, disable nm and i think you should be good :) <ntrly_owl> dig=find or tweak? <ntrly_owl> or be enthused about <ntrly_owl> man im digging this config file! woohoo! <ntrly_owl> not <jargonfactory> hah <ntrly_owl> ill use the gui anyway <ntrly_owl> well my friend will <jargonfactory> wicd has curses no? <ntrly_owl> gtk <ntrly_owl> curses is tui <ntrly_owl> iirc <ntrly_owl> it needs clicky clicky work work <ntrly_owl> ty <jargonfactory> haha <ntrly_owl> i hope it sits in the panel <jargonfactory> ahh i see it does gtk+ as well. <jargonfactory> np if you don't any luck here, try ML/forum <ntrly_owl> aye <sagaci> just wondering if 9pm is too late for NSW, VIC and TAS for the monthly meeting, <gggs> I just bought myself a 1.5TB USB2 hdd, I'm trying to decide which fs to use. Reliability is my biggest concern, speed isn't a factor. I'm thinking either XFS or ext4 <gggs> or maybe even 2x 750GB partitions, one with a periodic snapshot of the other? sounds like a waste though <sagaci> depends how you do your backups <gggs> sagaci: backups consist of two encrypted Truecrypt volumes + music, it's mainly for archives (eg priority 2 files like avi's, iso's) <gggs> xfs vs jfs vs ext4? <jargonfactory> gggs: fwiw, i think xfs is better for reliability though i just read up on zfs and i think i'd certainly not mind top notch reliability :) <jargonfactory> (and i think zfs is *the* best you can get) <gggs> looks interesting, built by Sun, but I'm reading it has licensing issues with the GPL, and not too well supported <jargonfactory> yep exactly cddl it seems unfortunately isn't compatible with gpl <gggs> What I'm going to do is make 2x700GB partitions, one xfs, the other ext3, and copy one to the other every month as a sortof `self-backup' <jargonfactory> cool. one thing is do pull them out occasionally too ;) <jargonfactory> (and use them) <gggs> when I approach 700GB eventually, I'll delete the 2nd partition and expand the first <gggs> pull them out? <jargonfactory> yeah. test the validity of the backus <gggs> for sure, I've had issues with backup DVDs in the past <gggs> hah, 13 seconds to create a 683GB XFS partition, almost 8 minutes to create an ext3 partition of the same <head_victim> sagaci: was just thinking of poking you tonight about the reminder ;) Nice work <ikt> heh <ikt> has anyone seen this: <ikt> http://thisisthecountdown.com/ <ikt> that is awesome <head_victim> ikt: yeah, pity the release team didn't even know it existed until they came across it by chance. #ubuntu-au 2011-10-04 <sagaci> http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/stats/ubuntu-11.10-translation-stats.html - awesome but must just mean the desktop side of ubuntu <blahdeblah-web> test <sagaci> it works! <blahdeblah-web> thanks sagaci - my DSL keeps dropping out and my local client doesn't seem to have kept up <blahdeblah-web> greetings blahdeblah! <sagaci> head_victim: streaming isn't looking to be happening, unfortunately <head_victim> sagaci: no worries, just throwing the idea out there <sagaci> head_victim: how'd you find the 2nd-on-the-list translations? <head_victim> Well the only reason we're not #1 is because of that empathy one we can't do <sagaci> yeah, but that doesn't matter <head_victim> Oh sorry, just reread your question. I saw it in the -translators channel <sagaci> oh nah, I just meant what was your thoughts about it <head_victim> If it helps some people get excited about it (or a little competetive) why not, is my thoughts. <sagaci> I was just surprised <sagaci> but it must just mean the main ubuntu packages, not cli programs or kubuntu things <head_victim> Yeah, I guess it's aimed at "default" installatins <head_victim> dpm would probably love feedback in -translators if you had anything in particular <sagaci> it was a surprise to get some kind of overall stats <head_victim> Yeah, much more visual than just a list of packages <sagaci> yay <head_victim> sagaci: done :) <head_victim> brb <sagaci> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-en-au and https://launchpad.net/~lp-l10n-en-au <blahdeblah> head_victim: Are we still on for this Saturday? <sagaci> blahdeblah: maybe https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2011-September/007442.html, but might be more up-to-date info <sagaci> even http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-au/1300/detail/ <blahdeblah> thx sagaci <sagaci> head_victim: how does one go about easily changing the next meeting date: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam <sagaci> oh, also needs to be updated in re to loco status <sagaci> nvm, found the meeting template :) <head_victim> It's in the includes ;) <head_victim> The template = the todo list? <sagaci> ? <head_victim> The wiki questions you just asked <sagaci> yeah, crossed wires maybe <sagaci> changed the date anyhow <head_victim> Cheers mate, signed up to the new ml for translation as well <jargonfactory> hi folks \o <head_victim> Evening jargonfactory <jargonfactory> how's it going head_victim <head_victim> Not too bad, having a crack at some translation strings <jargonfactory> ahh <gorilla> evening folks. <jargonfactory> hi gorilla <gorilla> hi jargonfactory <ntrly_owl> hello <ntrly_owl> im helping a friend update network manager from a ppa because the wifi network keeps dropping out. it is v0.8 and the ppa is 0.8.4. this is ubuntu 10.04 <ntrly_owl> The following packages have unmet dependencies: network-manager-gnome: Depends: libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.88) but 0.84-1ubuntu0.2 is to be installed Depends: gconf2 (>= 2.28.1-2) but 2.28.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed <ntrly_owl> and libdbus-glib-1-2 wants to update libc6 <ntrly_owl> so im not sure how to update libc6 without updating the whole distro <ntrly_owl> which i might do anyway <ntrly_owl> im going to update it from an 11.10 cd <ntrly_owl> hopefully updating from 10.04 to 11.10 works ok <ntrly_owl> or do i need to update to each release? that would be annoying <ntrly_owl> if so i might just update it to 10.10 and seem if that help <ntrly_owl> s <ntrly_owl> sudo apt-get upgrade <ntrly_owl> Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages have been kept back: devede dhcp3-client dhcp3-common linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic network-manager network-manager-gnome 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 8 not upgraded. <ntrly_owl> The following packages have been kept back: network-manager network-manager-gnome <ntrly_owl> sudo apt-get install network-manager network-manager-gnome <ntrly_owl> Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The following information m The following packages have unmet dependencies: network-manager-gnome: D <ntrly_owl> libdbus-glib-1-2 wants newer libc6 <ntrly_owl> i used this ppa but if i update the distro ill probably remove it https://launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/ppa <ntrly_owl> so what should i do? 1)force upgrade libc6 and risk breaking everything 2) upgrade to 10.10 from cd (or network if i can) and break some stuff maybe 3) upgrade to 11.10 from cd (or net if i can) and maybe break stuff <ntrly_owl> http://pastebin.com/1hQtQKfz <ntrly_owl> so those are the options i see <ntrly_owl> thanks <ikt> ntrly_owl: did you try using wicd first? <head_victim> ntrly_owl: and I'd be looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Synaptic/PackageDownloadScript as an easy way of trying to install stuff without internet on the specific computer. <kaushal> Hi <kaushal> can someone please suggest me about https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-October/252250.html ? <blahdeblah> kaushal: My suggestion: buy hardware that is better supported by Linux. If upgrading to the latest kernel didn't fix it, the amount of pain you will go through in getting it working is many times greater than simply buying an add-in card with an Intel or Broadcom chipset. <kaushal> blahdeblah: ok <kaushal> blahdeblah: so the card is a Atheros chipset ? <blahdeblah> Evidently, based on your lspci output <kaushal> ok <blahdeblah> I'm surprised that it doesn't work, given that it is fully recognised at the PCI level <blahdeblah> You may have some other configuration issue <blahdeblah> pastebin your dmesg output and we might be able to offer some better advice <kaushal> I have modprobe atl1ke <kaushal> blahdeblah: sure <kaushal> blahdeblah: please give me a moment <blahdeblah> I have to get to work, kaushal - post your pastebin and i'll look at it later. /me afk <kaushal> sure #ubuntu-au 2011-10-05 <ntrly_owl> ikt: yes, i ran into the python error on wicd 1.7.90 <ntrly_owl> 1.7.0 <ntrly_owl> head_victim: script sounds useful thanks <ntrly_owl> should 10.04 be distro updated to 10.10 or 11.10? <blahdeblah> ntrly_owl: You can chose whichever one you prefer. LTS releases can be upgraded to the next LTS release, or to the next normal release. <ntrly_owl> 11.10 isnt lts is it? <blahdeblah> ntrly_owl: I'm not sure about 11.10 <head_victim> ntrly_owl: you should go 10.04 > 10.10 > 11.04 > 11.10 or you can just wait for 12.04 and then go 10.04 > 12.04 The only release jump officially supported is from LTS to LTS. <head_victim> Gday blahdeblah <sagaci> hi <ntrly_owl> ok <ntrly_owl> ill just go 10.10 for now i guess <head_victim> ntrly_owl: you can try it but it's not generally recommended. <head_victim> If you break it you get to keep all the pieces. <ntrly_owl> yeah any kind of distro update on ubuntu breaks too much stuff <blahdeblah> head_victim: hi <blahdeblah> head_victim: LTS to the next non-LTS has been officially supported as long as i can remember <head_victim> blahdeblah: yeah that's what I was trying to say, jumping releases except lts to lts is not recommended <blahdeblah> And i'm saying the opposite :-P <blahdeblah> I've done it several times with no ill effects <head_victim> blahdeblah: you've skipped releases without dramas? <blahdeblah> no, not skipped - just LTS to the *next* non-LTS e.g. from 8.04 to 8.10 or 10.04 to 10.10 <head_victim> Ah yeah, I think I"m more tired than I thought. <head_victim> Yeah non lts to non lts is no dramas but from 10.04 to 11.10 might be a stretch unless you do it in intermediate steps <blahdeblah> Yeah - i definitely wouldn't try that without jumping through the other distros <blahdeblah> Although, i have upgraded from 8.04 to Debian 5 (lenny). ;-) <head_victim> I'm awaiting 12.04 to update this machine. Unity has come a very long way in the last 6 months (using in VMs) and would probably start with 11.10 if it weren't for the upgrade path being convoluted from 10.04. <head_victim> I wasn't happy with 11.04 but 11.10 is looking good <gorilla> head_victim: what about Unity? <head_victim> I'm starting to like how it's progressing. 11.04 was far too beta for me but 11.10 is starting to come together. <gorilla> Here's hoping as it could annoy half the community if it doesn't gel with the masses. <head_victim> Yeah, I'm hoping the refinement continues. I've been trying to compare it to other new GUIs and I'm starting to think will do more than enough for my needs. <head_victim> At least in 11.10 it's back to being able to chop and change the DE without breaking things. <gorilla> Here's hoping that Windows 8 is as bad as people have been saying. The alternative OS would needs another Vista. <head_victim> On a brighter note I was asked to set up a windows 7 pc the other day. I had to decline because I'm so far out of how to set them up securely I couldn't honestly even attempt that anymore. <gorilla> head_victim: Ditto. Though I am considering a Windows laptop for work purposes. Need to figure out how to secure that.. wihout recurring fees for anti-virus and the like. <head_victim> gorilla: if you figured it out please let me know, the wife still "has" to have windows on her PC. <head_victim> I'm getting a crappy Dell for my work laptop that I'm going to use for personal use by installing Ubuntu to a USB stick and booting off that <gorilla> I have installed AVG free on a windos ihodge@example.net.. appears to work okay. It doesn't receive email so I'm not sure how to see if it is working. <head_victim> Going to see if I can stretch the integrated video to Urban Terror or something. <head_victim> In the past I've used AVG, Spybot S & D and common sense <gorilla> the terrorist wins! <gorilla> common sense is okay untill someone else uses the laptop. <head_victim> My parents call me whenever something looks suss to see if it's ok to install/open/upgrade <gorilla> better than being called to undo the mistake. I must say that my folks seem to keep themselves out of trouble pretty well. <head_victim> Yeah never once had anything really go wrong other than hardware failure so here's hoping it stays like that <gorilla> you should be okay. :-) <head_victim> My brother's are another story <ntrly_owl> hmm <ntrly_owl> how do you add a 10.10 cd as a source to dist-upgrade from on 10.04? <ntrly_owl> apparently it says 'insert cd to use as source' etc but its greyed out <ntrly_owl> and cd is inserted <head_victim> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NattyUpgrades#Upgrading_Using_the_Alternate_CD.2BAC8-DVD <ntrly_owl> its the desktop cd i think |: <ntrly_owl> ill ask <ntrly_owl> what is this command line crap <ntrly_owl> why doesnt ubuntu have a gui for upgrading >_> <head_victim> ntrly_owl: does it you have the network :) <ntrly_owl> true <head_victim> Read the first part of the link I posted just before <ntrly_owl> Use this method if the system being upgraded is not connected to the Internet. ? <ntrly_owl> 3. A dialog will be displayed offering you the opportunity to upgrade using that CD. <ntrly_owl> this doesnt happen <ntrly_owl> lame <head_victim> Are they using the alternate? <ntrly_owl> desktop i think <ntrly_owl> cant you update from that <head_victim> According to the wiki, needs to be alternate <ntrly_owl> bummer <head_victim> Speaking of which I linked you to the Natty upgrade not the Maverick <head_victim> So just swap Maverick to Natty BUT the instructions are the same either way <ntrly_owl> yeah i found https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades?highlight=%28\bCategoryUpgrade\b%29 <sagaci> hi <head_victim> Cool, well it does specifically say alternate so I'd say it does need to be the alternate <head_victim> Evening sagaci <ntrly_owl> alrighty <sagaci> not sure how much internet I'll have coming up to this weekend, I have my phone but that's no replacement for a desktop/laptop with ethernet <sagaci> I'll be fine for this weekend's meeting though <head_victim> No worries, fingers crossed the party goes off well <head_victim> Remember the pictures ;) * gorilla goes off to kick his printer. <head_victim> I'm heading off to do some other work I think. <head_victim> ntrly_owl: good luck with the upgrade, the wiki page you ahve knows more than I do anyway by the looks so just follow it and there shouldn't be an issue. <gorilla> an upgrade of kernel didn't go well. <head_victim> Ah, I have 2 HP printers and both are great and never had a hitch <ntrly_owl> ok <ntrly_owl> didnt work on desktop cd <ntrly_owl> i have 2 hp printers too ^^ <ntrly_owl> how long would this upgrade take? should it be left overnight? <head_victim> ntrly_owl: my experience - 10 - 15 mins but depends on the machine <gorilla> head_victim: it's not the printer that's the problem. The issue was that somehow I had installed a Xen enabled kernel, hardware doesn't support it, kernel panics and reboots. On reboot, kernel panics, reboots. <ntrly_owl> c2d box <ntrly_owl> iirc <head_victim> sagaci: nearly finished Kubuntu-Docs <sagaci> goodo, looking to get to around ~80,000 by release date <head_victim> These aren't in Ubuntu, they're in the Launchpad ones <sagaci> so we just have to do what we did this cycle for the next one too <sagaci> signing into the ubuntu wiki on a bad connection, this should be fun <head_victim> sagaci: https://translations.launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs/oneiric/+lang/en_AU <sagaci> goodo, I glad I got chromium-browser done for this cycle <head_victim> And fingers crossed the xchat comes through <sagaci> yeah, hopefully #ubuntu-au 2011-10-06 <sagaci> nanananana 4G :) <ntrly_owl> leader! leader! leader! <head_victim> sagaci: how' <head_victim> how's the speed of the 4g <gorilla> it's not really 4G... We have got LTE. AFAIK. <sagaci> yeah, LTE <sagaci> 4GHD or True4G will be the next thing <sagaci> ACTUAL 4G :P <sagaci> head_victim: 4.9MB/sec from aarnet <sagaci> haven't got it on ubuntu yet <gorilla> but 4G will be markets as 5G or maybe 4g-ng.. marketers make me cross sometimes. <ntrly_owl> "ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout" cant be good <ntrly_owl> on lucid <gorilla> sounds very user unfriendly. <ntrly_owl> mhm <head_victim> 4G is a standard, not a technology. So LTE is one of the 4G technologies <gorilla> Oh. I have been misinformed :-/ <head_victim> I'm pretty sure that's how I read it. <head_victim> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G <gorilla> perhaps not: "pre-4G technology 3GPP Long Term Evolution (LTE) is often branded '4G'" <head_victim> gorilla: I looked into it at one stage and became quite confused pretty quickly. <gorilla> that's the telco industry for you. :-) #ubuntu-au 2011-10-07 <sagaci> hi <sagaci> hi <jaddi27> hi sagaci <jaddi27> I didn't realise that oneiric was fully translated in en_AU (ubuntu, anyway) <sagaci> yeah neither did I <head_victim> jaddi27: nice work on the facebook site. <jaddi27> That is alright <jaddi27> we need to decide what we are going to do with the group <jaddi27> I think we should upgrade it to the new version, so it is not archived (archiving could result in all the members being lost) <head_victim> jaddi27: the downside of the new version is? Sorry I've lost those links you showed earlier <jaddi27> That is fine. I will get them out again <jaddi27> head_victim, http://www.facebook.com/help/?page=18966 <jaddi27> that is on old -> new groups <jaddi27> the other is comparing groups and pages: http://www.facebook.com/help/?faq=13622 <jaddi27> I think we should upgrade the group to the new version, so we can still make events <sagaci> party tomorrow <jaddi27> sagaci, are you on facebook? if so, could you check if the time for your party is correct on the ubuntu australian team facebook page <sagaci> should be 14:00-1530 AEDST <jaddi27> I have tried to do that, but I am not sure how facebook treats daylight saving with times. I have put the times in the more info section, in case they don't work properly <sagaci> i'd just put it as 2pm-3:30 <sagaci> regardless of timezone <jaddi27> ok. i will change it <jaddi27> actually, I won't change it, as it looks like it should convert the time I put in (which it should detect as brisbane time from my clock/profile) <head_victim> jaddi27: a quick thing on the FB stuff <head_victim> I am not sure if people would or wouldn't want notices from all the other members. <head_victim> I'm far from the target audience for facebook users so don't really have any idea <head_victim> Really willing to go with whatever you think is best as you're the most active admin. If you want to bring it up Sunday by all means :) <jaddi27> head_victim, Ok. I will add it to the agenda for Sunday, and come prepared with notes #ubuntu-au 2011-10-08 <merf> can any one help with setting up wireless modem <merf> Can Anyone help I am running ubuntu 11.4 on a laptop what I need to find out is how to setup the internet using Telstra sierra 312U wireless usb modem (the account is setup with Telstra on my XP machine) now I want to do a setup on the Ubuntu PC <sagaci> looks like i should be there in time :-) <sagaci> hi <bwright> Hey. <xannen> Yay ubuntu au party next week! LOL <sagaci> just had ours <ikt> finally going to be able to make the meeting tomorrow <ikt> long time no meeting <head_victim> ikt: good to hear, will be nice to hear how the Sydney event went. <sagaci> had three guys turned up, one with two daughters- the ampersand was a nice little place to have it, had a small round table upstairs where we just chatted about ubuntu and linux in general.. no wifi or powerpoints but we didnt really need any. were there for about 2 hours and were fine with the idea of doing something like it at least once a cycle <head_victim> sagaci: nice (didn't see you pop back in) <head_victim> Dare I ask, photos? <sagaci> yeah but skipper took one of the group <ikt> head_victim: I'm not in sydney :P <sagaci> since he has a proper camera <head_victim> ikt: I know, I was just saying what I was looking forward to ;) <ikt> ohhh <ikt> me 2 <ikt> I was just about to get the day off to maybe organise an adelaide one <ikt> but then they said I have to stay for nbn training :( <head_victim> Alright, I need to make use of the last 15 mins of daylight, bbl <ikt> ttyl :) <head_victim> ikt: just pick a place, advertise it and rock up, no planning required <sagaci> there was a guy that had just been in australia for three weeks, just from budapest <ikt> head_victim: <ikt> ah I can't really do that <ikt> I work from 4pm-midnight <ikt> hrmm could do it on sunday <head_victim> Hmm I just got tomorrow night's reminder on my phone, is it going to be 7pm or 8pm? <sagaci> 8est 9for nsw <head_victim> That's what I thought but not what the ical is saying <ikt> i stopped using the ical because the times were so far out <ikt> saying that meetings were at 2pm <head_victim> The ical has been great for the last few months, just since daylight savings has come in <head_victim> Ah the issue is it was set to est not utc+10 <head_victim> Fixed <sagaci> yep <sagaci> i commented out our old status on our wiki page, wasnt sure where to archive it to <head_victim> Can just delete it really <head_victim> Just FYI I've updated out team's default time zone to utc+10 instead of plain old utc <ikt> bbl <sagaci> head_victim: ping <head_victim> sagaci: pong <sagaci> check email soonish <sagaci> lol wait <sagaci> didn't attach it <sagaci> there we go, but still read the first part <head_victim> Heh yeah <head_victim> Well I'd ask permission and then upload to flickr <head_victim> Then you tag it as part of the group and it auto populates to loco.u.c <sagaci> kk, whatever is the go <head_victim> The loco.u.c stuff is linked to the flickr group so it just auto graps it <head_victim> grabs* <sagaci> kk <head_victim> We have no control over loading or unloading pics other than the flickr. Not too bad a setup though really, means nothing is actually controlled via the loco.u.c site <sagaci> yeah so hopefully we'll be able to do something similar each cycle <head_victim> Sounds good <sagaci> head_victim: I got the photo taker's permission, just need that other one <gorilla> hi all. <ikt> heya gorilla :) <ikt> 11:30... is kfc open at 11:30? <gorilla> ikt: some are open 24 hours on saturday night. <ikt> nice! <ikt> don't think they do in adelaide though :( <ikt> whatcha up to anyway gorilla ? <gorilla> ikt: Just chilling with the laptop. I should probably be asleep as I need to be up by 6:00AM. <ikt> ouch <ikt> i'm off to mcdonalds if the kfc is closed :( <gorilla> don't do that.. they have a clown for a mascot :-P <ikt> kfc was closed <ikt> got mcd's <ikt> never getting it again <ikt> feel sick <xannen> heheh <gorilla> yepp.. McD's get me the same way. <xannen> is anyone getting diablo 3? <gorilla> if they took the toy out of the Mchappy meals, no one would buy them. <xannen> lol mctantrum? :P <gorilla> McSpat: Would you like a dummy with that? <gorilla> McChunks: would you like a sick bag with that? <ikt> xannen: yeah, would like to see how d3 is, hoping I get a beta invite <xannen> me too. :( <xannen> i apply, but no invite yet. :( <ikt> same :< <xannen> Q1, 2012 means Q2. LOL <ikt> yeah <ikt> blizz never cared about release dates <ikt> they even said, nobody remembers missing release dates <ikt> they only care about good games <ikt> prime example: duke nukem forever <ikt> bbl <airtonix> the only way you'll 'acclimatise' yourself to mc donalds is if you keep on eating it everyday <airtonix> stop eating it for any serious length of time and you start having 'cold turkey' syndrome #ubuntu-au 2011-10-09 <ikt> how long till meeting? <head_victim> I believe, 2 hours :) <ikt> time for some quality kfc <head_victim> Hah you and your kfc <sagaci> wow, thanks for the indirect reminder :P <head_victim> I'm actually doing my grocery shopping between now and then. THank goodness for online grocery stores. <sagaci> see you all at 9/8pm <ikt> mmmm <birchb> hi <head_victim> Evening birchb <birchb> Well that sucked. Took me ten minutes to figure out to get here :-( <head_victim> Hmm that does suck, what page were you coming from (and we'll try to make it easier) <birchb> First of all the instructions were loosey goosey. You assume we all know IRC. <birchb> Your server is actually chat.freenode.net:7000 <head_victim> Yep, but where were you coming from? The wiki page, the loco page, somewhere else? <birchb> and then the dfault Ubuntu client doesn't have a way to specify the IRC channel. :-( <birchb> Facebook message <head_victim> Ok, good to know. jaddi27 maybe next time we can link to a web client that you just have to click to open? <head_victim> birchb: sorry I was just trying to figure out where it wasn't working. It should be easy to join in, that's why we use IRC. <birchb> Wahahahh <birchb> UP on Natty, clieck the 'mem' menu "Chat Account...' menu item <head_victim> You can also just use the link - webchat.freenode.net/#ubuntu-au <head_victim> Sorry, http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-au is the more direct link <ikt> je <ikt> he's not kidding though <ikt> the default empathy irc chat is horrible <ikt> I said that in 11.04 testing but nobody seemed to care =( <ikt> might make a bug report against empathy <head_victim> I've only ever used xchat sorry <head_victim> Just putting stuff to fb and twitter/identica now to try and make it easier in case others are lookinga s well <ikt> kk <sagaci> brb <birchb> That web link you sent me doesn't work cos it uses Flash. Nice try though. <ikt> birchb: grab xchat <ikt> head_victim: yeah I use irssi, but xchat + any other irc in the world is easier to use than the default empathy <birchb> Anyhoo, does anyone here live ni Melbourne and know the Camberwell Sunday market?? <ikt> <- adelaide * head_victim is a Brisbanite <head_victim> Hmmm is it gorilla that lives down there? I know there are a couple of Melbournians in here. <birchb> OK, well I'll explain. The market is a 'flea' market in a carpark. People rent a spot from Rotary for $50. They sell their junk on tables. <birchb> Sooooo <birchb> There's a large number of folk looking for bargains. <sagaci> hi all <jaddi27> head_victim, Yes, I will try to remember to put links to the webchat irc client on the Facebook events from now on <jaddi27> hi sagaci <head_victim> jaddi27: no worries, just trying to lower the level of entry to make it as easy as possible. <jaddi27> Yes, that is fine <head_victim> birchb: sounds like a good spot to promote :) <birchb> Perhaps it would be an opportunity to 'sell' Foss, specifically give away Ubuntu disks... <sagaci> ready to go? <jaddi27> yes, i am <sagaci> #startmeeting Ubuntu-AU October IRC Meeting <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Oct 9 10:01:33 2011 UTC. The chair is sagaci. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired <head_victim> birchb: definitely worth a try. We currently don't have any pressed CDs to give away but I could post some business cards or something if that would help. <sagaci> #topic Roll Call <head_victim> o/ <jaddi27> hello <ikt> o\ <sagaci> hello <jaddi27> to all those who are new, say hello to make sure your attendance is registered <head_victim> birchb: we should be getting some pressed CDs after the release of 11.10 though <sagaci> hi xannen <birchb> Would it be OK to ask for a gold coin to cover the cost of the spot? <xannen> hi sagaci and friends <3 <head_victim> birchb: as long as you're covering costs I don't see a problem but I'll definitely ask the powers that be for guidance on the issue. <sagaci> anyone else around? <birchb> I'll shut up now. Need Melbournites though. <head_victim> Evening xannen <head_victim> birchb: tis ok, might be somethign worth bringing to the mailing list as well, there's a LOT more people on that than in here. <xannen> anyone still playing diablo 2 lod 1.13? :D <sagaci> xannen: maybe for #ubuntu-au-chat since we have our monthly meeting at the moment <sagaci> #chair sagaci head_victim jaddi27 <meetingology> Current chairs: head_victim jaddi27 sagaci <xannen> ah sorry my bad, didn't know :P <sagaci> #topic Release Party Updates <sagaci> Just yesterday we had a small release party for Sydney at the Ampersand Bookstore/Cafe... there were six people who came along, ranging from primary-schoolers to veteran IT/linux/ubuntu users <sagaci> We chatted about ubuntu and linux general... we did get a picture, but just waiting for permission off one of the attendees until we can post it to flickr/loco.ubuntu.com <xannen> i'm curious as what's happening at bris party? <head_victim> Looks like it was a good little group that went. <sagaci> the other attendees found out via omgubuntu and facebook. none were on IRC or in this official team, to my surprise <sagaci> but all were keen to have a similar event for each cycle <head_victim> Just goes to show the value of social media I guess. Glad we're branching out. <sagaci> good attendance, considering it was the first one in a few years for sydney <jaddi27> I am glad I made that Facebook event the day before then <sagaci> there was a bit of confusion about the time but I guess we can just blame daylight savings for that <sagaci> I'll do a small report of the event for the wiki, and review for next meetings <head_victim> Yeah I'm beginning to notice dramas with that myself :/ <xannen> LOL DL saving <jaddi27> Yes, Facebook times are very difficult to get correct. <sagaci> #action sagaci to write review/reflection of Sydney release event <meetingology> ACTION: sagaci to write review/reflection of Sydney release event <head_victim> The loco.u.c is having fits over it. Where possible I'd suggest making sure you log events/meetings to a UTC time, not a location time. <xannen> catch a photon light, put it in a bottle, save it for a rainy day :D <sagaci> Brisbane update? <head_victim> sagaci: well it's going ahead next weekend <jaddi27> UTC is not possible on Facebook, but i did add the time to the description to try to alleviate the issue somewhat <head_victim> jaddi27: good to know, thanks. <head_victim> The Brisbane release party is going to return to the Breakfast Creek Hotel as it seems this has been a popular venue in the past. <birchb> Easy to understand if you just say "Sydney time" or whatever. <xannen> That's what I was thinking too. <sagaci> yeah, I guess we'd have to make a decision, but I strongly prefer local time <head_victim> Local time is ok for real world events, but when we're running online ones UTC is far better in my opinion. <sagaci> head_victim: agreed <xannen> Here's an idea: Put both? <jaddi27> Yes, I can do that <xannen> LOL <sagaci> yeah, for local events <birchb> UTC sux <xannen> It's like we're doing admin 101 :D <head_victim> xannen: can't for the loco.u.c pages other than in the description. <jaddi27> For someone in Sydney or Melbourne, that has a Facebook account, can you tell me what times it has listed for this event: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=142514102513127 <head_victim> It hasn't really been an issue until day light savings rolled around. <xannen> head_victim, well, I guess do what we can, and the more info and clarity we can state, the better? <sagaci> head_victim: should be able to, as long as the event venue is in the right timezone <jaddi27> xannen, agreed <sagaci> jaddi27: 08 October Â· 13:00 - 14:30 <jaddi27> ok. that means Facebook is not aware of daylight saving <jaddi27> I will just put the time there, and again in the details with timezone information <xannen> Is there a googleplus page? <jaddi27> You can't do google plus pages yet, as far as i know <sagaci> gorilla: ping for melbourne event...? <jaddi27> You just +1 anything on the internet <xannen> Ah, okay. I don't trust facebook that all. <head_victim> Last I heard googleplus were actively discouraging groups using their service, it was strictly individuals only. <jaddi27> xannen, http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-au has all of our upcoming events <jaddi27> and you can subscribe to an ical feed of it <sagaci> ikt: ping... adelaide event? <ikt> no adelaide event afaik, it's definitely on my list of things to organise for 12.04 <head_victim> ikt: a Sunday evening would suit if you wanted to do one next weekend or evening the weekend after. <ikt> jaddi27: i think with google plus you have a circle, and then you post to that circle although that's more of a group thing :/ <ikt> head_victim: yeah definitely, I'll send a msg to the mailing list to see if we have some internet <ikt> interest* <ikt> although 1 week is fairly short notice <sagaci> righteo then <sagaci> #topic Roadmap for Ubuntu-AU/Ubuntu 12.04 LTS <jaddi27> ikt, Yes, I could set up a google+ circle for ubuntu-au, but I am not sure that it is worth it at the moment <head_victim> I already have a circle in my account for UbuntuAU'ers <ikt> share circle with me plx :P <ikt> I have a massive ubuntu circle, has around 50 people in it I think <sagaci> I have a few ideas for events/goals of the next cycle but I'll just swing it around for anyone else to have a say first <xannen> free intel core i7 for everyone? :D <head_victim> sagaci: focus points being events, socialising and translations? <ikt> wtb more australian bug triagers <jaddi27> I am guessing this is one of your goals, but I would like to see the translations at or close to 100% complete <sagaci> head_victim: yup <head_victim> ikt: as soon as you're willing to hold a session on how to do it I'm sure you'll get more :) Bug triaging is well beyond me at this stage though. <jaddi27> We should also decide on the local version customisations we want to include, as has been raised at previous meetings <sagaci> base packs have been updated but then again, no point until we're 95-100% complete <xannen> ikt, are you a bug coder/fixer? <head_victim> jaddi27: has there been much more movement on the locolisation images from Canonical yet? <ikt> xannen: nah, I deal with the easy stuff :P <jaddi27> I am not really sure - I think sagaci knew more about it than I did <jaddi27> If I can find the link, I will check it out <birchb> what localisations pry tell? <head_victim> birchb: there was a push to start looking at LoCos being able to spin their own customised editions for download. <birchb> Why? <head_victim> Customising language, default wallpapers and settings, etc. <jaddi27> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-cd-localization <sagaci> it was pretty primitive this cycle but the tools are there to make all the possible defaults, like wallpapers, bookmarks, etc <ikt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects#Translation <birchb> Timezone fixes would #1 for me. <sagaci> events - a few jams, release parties, classroom events <birchb> Especially now that the NIH tz db is out of action. <ikt> free t-shirts >:D <head_victim> ikt: free? You paying? ;) <head_victim> sagaci: I'm really hoping I can work on some Ubuntu Hours now I have a weekday job <jaddi27> ikt, I'd be up for one if you are getting them <ikt> LOL <sagaci> probably better to get the official ubuntu polos then customise <ikt> group buy for discount imo :D <head_victim> I looked into it, and to be honest, I'd probably see more bang for buck in a screenprinted shirt like the lca volunteer ones <sagaci> could be possible, there was a planet-ubuntu post suggesting LoCo discount rates <sagaci> but it'd be hard to gauge who's contributed enough, etc <ikt> mailing list stuff I think <xannen> will it be 100% cotton base polo or T shirt? <sagaci> yep <ikt> could be useful to get who's interested <sagaci> ready to move on? <head_victim> I prefer polos if we're using it when presenting at events <head_victim> sagaci: mailing list looks like a good idea to gauge interest. Although I'd suggest having mockups to take to the ml if someone has time <sagaci> #action t-shirt order/design/feasibility to mailing list <meetingology> ACTION: t-shirt order/design/feasibility to mailing list <xannen> is there an AU section in ubuntuforums? <sagaci> #topic Facebook group upgrade -- jaddi27 <head_victim> xannen: yep :) <head_victim> It's in the topic <jaddi27> xannen, au.ubuntuforums.com <xannen> then why don't we use that instead of creating a mailing list? <ikt> mailling list hits more peopel <head_victim> We already have a mailing list, no creating either. <jaddi27> Facebook group update: <xannen> ikt, argh!... i've been shot. :P <ikt> lol <jaddi27> Our current Facebook group is in the old groups format, which will all be archived soon <jaddi27> http://www.facebook.com/help/?page=18966 <jaddi27> That Facebook page outlines the changes <jaddi27> I propose that we upgrade our group to the new groups format, which will allow us to keep our group, basically as it is at the moment <head_victim> Does anyone else here use FB extensively? <xannen> is it feasible to give google+ circle a go? just following on social media, and i'm not a fan of facebook. <jaddi27> There will be a few differences, but I think they should not disadvantage us <head_victim> xannen: there's no official way of making circles, everone makes their own circles <head_victim> My circles will never be the same as yours, etc. <jaddi27> xannen, that is the problem with google+ circles at the moment <xannen> ah... damn... <head_victim> We do have twitter and identica accounts as well though <xannen> thanks for the info, head_victim, jaddi27 <jaddi27> The other thing we can do, which I have sort of raised before, is create a Facebook page <jaddi27> However, pages cannot create events, which would be a disadvantage to us at the moment <ikt> head_victim: you
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