#ubuntu-artwork 2006-02-01 <artnay> ok, I made some wiki updates <artnay> shall we make an agenda for the meeting now? <Tm_T> artnay: ping <viller> hi <Tm_T> hullo <artnay> Tm_T: pong <Tm_T> artnay: anything to improve? http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo-01.png <Tm_T> I think bit more contrast to paper part of it <artnay> that is nice, good work on that <Tm_T> yeah, I finally did something, 5min gimping mostly <artnay> maybe the clip could use ubuntus palette? <artnay> like brown or smth <Tm_T> hehe <Tm_T> that is for Kopete ;) <Tm_T> and will be used only 16x16 <artnay> nah, do not be so sure of that ;) svg available? <Tm_T> nope <artnay> :( <Tm_T> but I can try to make one if needed, it's guite simple afterall <Tm_T> quite even <Tm_T> and with svg everyone will be able to read the text there =) <Tm_T> another issue, related to fonts <Tm_T> artnay: have you any idea where one important font disappeared? <Tm_T> -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--*-*-*-*-c-*-*-* <- not found anymore in dapper, was in breezy and long after it <artnay> sorry, no idea <artnay> in which package was it in breezy? <artnay> actually I am running breezy on this laptop <Tm_T> hmm, no idea, but osd_cat (xosd program) doesn't work without it <Tm_T> and I have ~all font packages installed <artnay> dpkg: *misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed* not foundsdpkg: *misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed* not foundfuck this <artnay> terrible lag <Tm_T> "foundfuck" ? <Tm_T> meh <Tm_T> artnay aka foundfuck <artnay> :p <Tm_T> ] ;= <artnay> no, really. just lagging <Tm_T> yeah yeah <Tm_T> so, font name is "fixed" <artnay> shouldnt it be in x11 fonts? <artnay> how have you been able to aptget osd_cat if it depends on certain font that is not available? :o <artnay> broken deps? <Tm_T> no idea <Tm_T> or, that font is dropped from package what is xosd's dependencies <Tm_T> artnay: you have kio-apt? apt:/show?xosd-bin <artnay> blah, once again ssh died <Tm_T> hehe <artnay> no, running gnome at the moment (I really do not know why) <artnay> kios are wonderful :) <Tm_T> aye :) <artnay> I really need to get my primary comp fixed, without it I am not able to do much <Tm_T> ok, depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1), libx11-6, libxext6, libxinerama1, libxosd2 (>= 2.2.13) <Tm_T> so no fonts directly in dependencies <artnay> maybe it is a bug <artnay> launchpad... ;) <Tm_T> ;( <Tm_T> libxosd suggest: xfonts-base-transcoded <Tm_T> so, I'll try reinstall that package <Tm_T> Reinstallation of xfonts-base-transcoded is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. <Tm_T> :( <Tm_T> so, that package is not in mirrors anymore <Tm_T> artnay: looks like whole punch of abse fonts are gone from dapper mirrors <Tm_T> xfonts-100dpi-transcoded xfonts-75dpi-transcoded both gone <artnay> try packages ubuntu <artnay> if breezy had them <Tm_T> aye <Tm_T> I try first finnish mirrors, looks like se. is fucked anyway <Tm_T> Uriah Heep - Rain <Tm_T> artnay: hum, no, not even in breezy :o <Tm_T> artnay: those packages are installed since hoary here :o <Tm_T> but, why they're not provided in breezy and dapper? <artnay> Tm_T: no idea <Tm_T> artnay: I have small idea, "because with utf-8 you don't need them" <Tm_T> but I have ISO8859-15 locales <Tm_T> and no way I'm moving to utf-8 without reinstalling all <Tm_T> and we can't expect all users have utf-8 locales <artnay> yep <Tm_T> artnay: aye, I file abug, and maybe provide packages too ;( #ubuntu-artwork 2006-02-03 <klepas> artnay_: heya <klepas> artnay: :) <klepas> anyone awake? #ubuntu-artwork 2006-02-04 <klepas> artnay_: ping <klepas> artnay: ping <artnay> hey guys <artnay> have you seen what has happened with wiki? <artnay> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=artwork&titlesearch=Titles <artnay> henrik has been quite busy <artnay> I urge you all to check the new pages <artnay> how come I find it to be much more complicated now... it only focuses on ubuntu and leaves out all other *buntu flavours * ..[topic/#ubuntu-artwork:artnay] : lots of changes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&value=artwork&titlesearch=Titles <klepas> artnay_: ping #ubuntu-artwork 2006-02-05 <theCore> is there someone alive here ? <Tm_T> never <theCore> ok then ... <theCore> the art team doesn't seem strong <Tm_T> true <Tm_T> we do need more active users <Tm_T> and I need time and money to do some artwork <Tm_T> s/users/workers <Tm_T> hi omeg <artnay> Tm_T: <Tm_T> artnay: <artnay> what do you think of wiki? <Tm_T> haven't checked <Tm_T> and can't now <artnay> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork <artnay> you should <Tm_T> I will when I'm home <artnay> where is klepas... the meeting will be held soon and there's no agenda yet :| <artnay> do you guys want to help with that? <Tm_T> cant <Tm_T> I afraid <buggzero> o.0? <Tm_T> exactly <buggzero> this place must be full of live ones <Tm_T> all dead <buggzero> what do you have to do to sign up for this gang <Tm_T> just poke artnay for example <Tm_T> but dont poke too hard, I'd rahter see him alive <buggzero> poke? <Tm_T> too much typos, food -> <buggzero> what about a tap <buggzero> or a prod <artnay> buggzero: hello, what's on your mind? <artnay> really, no comments on new wiki style? <artnay> anyone? <buggzero> well <buggzero> i read the artwork team todo list doohickey <buggzero> i want to sign up? <artnay> sure, go ahead <buggzero> how does one do that <buggzero> im like new to all of this <buggzero> well not everything <buggzero> linux <artnay> AFAIK henrik removed all names from the list <artnay> so so... <artnay> s/removed/moved <artnay> to this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtTeam/Members <artnay> add yourself there and hang on this channel <artnay> feel free to ask any questions <buggzero> how do i add myself? <artnay> first of all, you need to have an account <artnay> I guess there's "signup" in the upper right corner <buggzero> oh... so thats what that things for <artnay> use that account to access launchpad.net and edit wiki pages <buggzero> i figureed you8 were talking about a bank account <artnay> you might want to give me your visa verification code :p <buggzero> 12345 <buggzero> okay but how does one actually take on projects and what not <artnay> first thing would be to form a team to do some task <artnay> what were you thinking? which projects interest you? <artnay> read this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/TodoList <artnay> adding (project, *buntu) after your name on contact page will make the start easier for each team <artnay> don't get disappointed because of the current state <artnay> we would need at least 10 active people participating in order to get this process going <artnay> glad you found your way here :) <artnay> AUC to be wiki-based... why am I a bit skeptic of that? <artnay> I think it needs a working rating system, otherwise searching will get complicated when there's lots of contributions <artnay> why am I having a monolog here? let's have a discussion :o <buggzero> sorry theres a xfiles marathon on hd and its the funny one with alex trabeck <artnay> hehe :) <buggzero> ok but where does open submit the product <buggzero> i mean is it self proclaimed? <buggzero> i mean i just want some designs included in the next release i thought that would be pretty bad ass <artnay> so you want actually do something? or would like to get what has been done so far? <buggzero> yeah it all seems in a little disarray <buggzero> what? I want to design, takle some stuff on the todo list <artnay> which tasks are you interested in? <buggzero> well i come from a print and web backround <buggzero> so i would assume splash screens, and the themes and backrounds <buggzero> loading screens <artnay> background, that would be a necessity <buggzero> also the thing about a new fonts <buggzero> about a new font <artnay> that's a bit more compilated issue <artnay> but still it's really something worth of thinking <buggzero> well all the fonts i have so far are similar <artnay> splash screen is quite good actually, and there has been a few new well done splash screens <artnay> so I doubt that it's pretty well covered already, although you can always improve what has been done or create a new one <artnay> if you ask me, there are a few tasks that we should focus on <artnay> unify Usplash, GDM and desktop (this includes colours and shapes) <buggzero> are you like the leader, high chief? <artnay> not that I know :) <artnay> but I guess I'm one of the most active ones involved in this process <artnay> so those weren't facts, just my opinions <artnay> well not just mine, actually ubuntu devs want to keep the current or at least similiar to current Usplash theme <buggzero> well ill take them as facts <buggzero> okay keep in mind im new to ubuntu so whast the u splash? <artnay> are you running ubuntu? have you booted ubuntu? <buggzero> yeah im running it <buggzero> wait <artnay> ok, so it's the process that starts after grub <buggzero> thats the one with the four flag like squares <artnay> when kernel is loading, there's some brown text that tells you what's happening on your system <buggzero> yeah the loader <artnay> yep, the one that's active before the high colour graphical greeter (login manager) <buggzero> allright so they want a new one? <artnay> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Usplash/Artwork <artnay> actually I think people are quite happy with the current one <artnay> as it is used in gfxboot as well <buggzero> 14 colors! <artnay> I know, framebuffer is the limit here <artnay> it has to be so it works well on the most hardware configurations <buggzero> well i always thought it would be cooler if the logo was the loading progress <artnay> there's alternatives to usplash, but they leave a nice share of computers with error msgs etc. <artnay> so by default ubuntu will use usplash, it can be changed after the installation <buggzero> well so waht if we stick with uspash's code but just changed the img? <artnay> what do you mean by logo being the loading process? <buggzero> instead of a rectangle being filled left to right <buggzero> the logo gets colored in a circular fashion <artnay> then people would focus on ubuntu text, not the logo actually <buggzero> well just thinking of something different <artnay> true, that's more than welcome <artnay> or then we could use icons instead of the progress bar, sort os x way <buggzero> i mean its a loading screen, so someting more entertaining is always interesting <artnay> but I don't see that happening <buggzero> well when gnome loads it shows icons <artnay> I get your point, but it's extremely dangerous to play with the logo in a process like that <artnay> what if something fails? it leaves you with "half ubuntu" :) <artnay> and fallbacks to command line <buggzero> ubuntu OG's will be awestruck across the globe <artnay> OG? :o <buggzero> origninal gangster <artnay> hah ;) <buggzero> i mean i think back to windows 98 <buggzero> where we took the orignal loader <artnay> isn't xp still using low colours as well? <buggzero> and we made and xwing and a tie figher in combat, and used the lazer blasts as the progress bar <buggzero> yeah its only like 24 colors or something <artnay> have you tried other distros? some use kernel hacks that allow the use of high colour images <buggzero> screw other distros <artnay> hehe :) <buggzero> ubuntu is the first one ive really liked <buggzero> i hate kde <buggzero> plus all the pros i know they use debian <buggzero> so this was the middle ground <artnay> I've been quite happy with ubuntu, although dapper is showing some really unpleaseant changes <buggzero> im just glad to give microsoft the finger <buggzero> well if we control the art maybe we can bring down this tyranny <buggzero> what are they proposing that is so bad? <artnay> for me XP has worked technically quite well (although it has been limiting my use), I'm not using MS products home because of their business practices <buggzero> yeah it seems like its getting more and more invasion of privacy, using linux is the new fashion statment <artnay> umh, mainly their monopoly is what causes headaches to me <buggzero> yeah i mean they have the boardwalk, park place, the railroads <artnay> many things, like not publicizing protocols, patenting fat after a long time, not supporting open standards, doing things MS way or the highway etc etc <buggzero> so whats looking down about dappy <artnay> oh, the negative parts? <buggzero> yeah <artnay> you should try flight 3 so you would know <buggzero> flight 3? <artnay> I know it's a development version, but there's many things that won't most probably be ready before dapper <artnay> look at the gnome-screensaver and gnome-xchat for instance <artnay> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight3 <buggzero> someone told me downloading dapper now would break your shit <artnay> try live CD instead <artnay> I was using dapper on my desktop machine before it broke down <artnay> the machine itself, well so did dapper :) <buggzero> what the hell some of their new menus look ugly as hell <artnay> ethernet was lost and my computer kept rebooting every 30 sec or so <artnay> so I didn't have time to fix it <buggzero> gnome-xchat UGH <buggzero> thats a bummer <artnay> and the logout icon in panel <buggzero> well were the damn art group, dont we have a say to pimp slap some of this stuff? <artnay> I think that a button that is used once per session shouldn't be placed in gnome-panel that way <artnay> sure we do <artnay> those changes just happened, we really didn't know anything before it just happened <artnay> so it would be great if we did the artwork job and the coders could focus on, umh, code <artnay> oh yeah, the main priorities... background, icon set, metacity theme <artnay> at least those tasks should be done for dapper <buggzero> well thats good to hear <buggzero> metacity? <artnay> that's the one drawing window decorations, buttons there etc. <artnay> http://www.gnome-look.org/index.php?xsortmode=high&page=0 <artnay> there's some metacity themes, pick a suitable one for dapper x) <artnay> I'd go with unity-no-red <buggzero> metacity is the window style? <artnay> yep <buggzero> i like the pixel looks <buggzero> the unity one is decent, i dont see the no red one <buggzero> but i hate the picture backround for terminal <artnay> just image the same decorations without close button being red <artnay> I guess it's not terminal background, terminal is just using fake transparency so it's actually desktop background that is visible <buggzero> i like the rectangular buttons <buggzero> those are sweet <artnay> hey manu :) <lmanul> artnay: hey :) <artnay> so we'll have a meeting on the 2nd <artnay> are you able to attend? <buggzero> feb 2nd? <artnay> 23 UTC <artnay> henrik just changed the whole layout of artwork wiki <lmanul> Hmm, yeah sure <artnay> as time is running out, we need to discuss the main priorites and form teams to do separate tasks <lmanul> I probably won't stay for ages (that's pretty late in my time zone), but I'll come, no problem <artnay> yep, it's 01 AM here then :o <lmanul> I'm not sure I'll get some time to contribute a lot though... <artnay> I suggest that we'd focus on background, icon set and metacity theme <artnay> everythis else is (needed) extra <buggzero> well i got nothing but time <lmanul> But I'll be glad to attend the meeting, listen, and give my opinion if needed <lmanul> buggzero: now that's rare :) <buggzero> well WHICH IS NOT TO SAY THAT IM A LOOSER <buggzero> im just... generally free <buggzero> for the time being <lmanul> buggzero: I'm definitely not saying that <artnay> buggzero: in case you didn't know, manu is responsible for the new logout dialog https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight3#head-8d8b3cb6bca3949852d30fbd7acc89ed3dfc846e <lmanul> buggzero: I would be glad to have nothing but time ! :) <artnay> time and a working computer *sigh* <lmanul> New logout dialog, new panel "add to" dialog, new separator for the panel, etc. <artnay> mhz, hey mate <lmanul> I'm making everything anew :-p <artnay> lmanul: yep, but what interests us are the new icons <artnay> oh, comments on those <buggzero> wait wait the one with the icons or the one that says ABOUT gnome <artnay> the door scheme you're using in logout icon... don't you think green is a bit too friendly for that kind of action? :o <mhz> hay artnay <artnay> I'd suggest to stay in a red colour, just as it is at the moment <artnay> maybe making it more up-to-date, just an idea <artnay> I was thinking something like this: http://f.unk.fi/~artnay/logout.png <artnay> but it should use ubuntu palette <artnay> mhz: so wiki got renewed, what do you think of change? <buggzero> allright i have to get out of here for now <buggzero> artnay: a pleasure talking with you <artnay> buggzero: you too. <buggzero> you'll see more of me around <artnay> excellent. take care! <artnay> mhz: the wiki structure completely ignores different *buntu flavours <mhz> lol <artnay> and I'm really not into AUC being wiki-based... I think wiki isn't suitable for that kind of work <mhz> yup, i guess i agree with you <artnay> it lacks important functions and it might get complicated to navigate <mhz> artnay: what 'renewed' wiki? <artnay> ^ topic <artnay> /Artwork <artnay> now it's missing edubuntu and xubuntu completely * mhz checking <artnay> well they can be found, but they should be provided on the first sight <artnay> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork lacks vital information, I think <artnay> I haven't replied to ML because I wanted to discuss of it here on IRC first <artnay> lmanul: are you now mostly coding? can community expect new icons from you? :) <artnay> mhz: oh yeah, we have to prepare before the meeting! <artnay> mhz: want to help with that one? <mhz> well, artnay, maybe adding "you may find artwork related to Edubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu" at Offcial Artwork section could do the job <artnay> why is it official? <mhz> i dont know <artnay> I mean, they're using different backgrounds, icon sets etc. <mhz> you should ask Henrik about it <artnay> take edubuntu for an example <artnay> I guess text official refers to logos <artnay> but it should cover a lot more than that <mhz> yup <artnay> and somehow we should also link to ubuntu marketing as they have web banners etc. <mhz> absolutely right <artnay> so to me the wiki change seems to be a bit rushed... no offense. <artnay> we did some work but we never got it finished as there were no comments or people helping with that <mhz> then, Henrik is the person you probably need to talk to as he made the changes <mhz> artnay: when that happens, and you feel you need to move on, just move on and the "rest will follow" <artnay> 13:39 [freenode] (*) There is no such nick hno73 <artnay> :( <mhz> artnay: yo have his email? <mhz> need it? <artnay> mhz: sure <artnay> I have it <artnay> but, umh, maybe that should be discussed on ML <artnay> as he doesn't seem to be on IRC <mhz> rhonda96@example.net <mhz> oh, you got it <artnay> it would be great if he had time to be here <artnay> but let's hope he'll be present in the meeting <mhz> ML is good but tell people "we need to get this to discussion before thursday" <artnay> because that's something artwork team was really lacking, input from canonical <mhz> if discussion never arises, then just move on and talk to Henrik <mhz> ;) <lmanul> artnay: about the logout icon color, the main idea of the dialog is to make each icon's color different from the others (logout=green, shutdown=red, suspend=orange, hibernate=blue, restart=purple) <artnay> lmanul: sure, but the shapes will give the idea as well <mhz> artnay: even at edubuntu I have same issues regarding artwork. We still have no clue what the "hired designers" will/are doing <artnay> mhz: there are no hired designers, I discussed with a few canonicals <lmanul> artnay : right, shapes + color is more powerful IMHO than shapes or colors alone <mhz> so, I thought I would have some guidelines regarding GTK tweaking and Wallpapers stuff, and icons, but in the end it seems that I will have to move on based on my own ideas ;0 <artnay> lmanul: have you tested how that green door blends to gnome-panel? <artnay> it must be used there as well IMHO <artnay> lmanul: you had a chat with tango devs concerning the icons, right? <lmanul> artnay: yes <lmanul> The icons are mainly tango style <artnay> what about sleep and hibernate icons? I think there should be a small change between those <lmanul> yeah, it would be great <artnay> not just the colour <lmanul> But finding a good concept is not easy <lmanul> The "Zzz" idea doesn't quite work <artnay> I know :) <artnay> no it doesn't <lmanul> hehe :) <artnay> neither does a door with recycle icon etc. <lmanul> a door with recycle icon ? <artnay> lmanul: you, sort of restart icon (two arrows reflecting the door) <artnay> it was just an idea I had, but since you came up with those icons, I thought they were pretty decent and we could work on those <artnay> you... yeah I meant to say #ubuntu-artwork 2006-02-07 <mike100> I have an idea probably never thought of for your art work. It makes Ubuntu look fantastic and give you better branding. <mike100> How do I get the art team to consider using it for the next version of Ubuntu? <mike100> anyone there? <mike100> Must be a room full of bots or something. #ubuntu-artwork 2006-02-08 <hno73> Hello <lukacu> hi <hno73> are we having a meeting in #ubuntu-meeting? <lukacu> i hope so :) <hno73> mhz, around? <hno73> bachler, kafeine, klepas, miketech, omeg, Tm_T: ping -- meeting? <lukacu> damn ... nobody :( <kafeine> mmm <kafeine> i'm here <kafeine> kind of planning to go to bed but <lukacu> :) <hno73> Hi kafeine. we were planning an artwork meeting in #ubuntu-meeting <kafeine> now?:) <kafeine> hi:) <hno73> yeah, grab some coffee :) <kafeine> well <kafeine> ok:) <kafeine> i'm in the #ubuntu-meeting thing now so <kafeine> how do we proceed <kafeine> ? <kafeine> :D <klepas> moin! <lukacu> hi <lukacu> #ubuntu-meeting <klepas> oh <klepas> just getting back into swing <lukacu> well i am just leaving to spain in a day or so :) <klepas> what for? :) <lukacu> oh ... visiting girlfriend who is an exchange student there <klepas> ah, cool :) <Tm_T> errrh <Roberto> hi :) <Roberto> how could i configure "Art Manager" to use art.ubuntu.com rather than art.gnome.org? <klepas> Roberto: what's the package name of the Art Manager? <Roberto> gnome-art <Roberto> /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/gnome-art/config.rb <Roberto> i think it's here <Roberto> i've changed XML_File=http://art.gnome.org/xml.php with art.ubuntu.com <Roberto> uhm <Roberto> testing... <Roberto> it doesn't seem to work the right way <Roberto> :( <klepas> i'll apt-get it and have a look at it <klepas> :) <klepas> actually <klepas> considering how many other packages and libraries it wants... i'd rather not <klepas> Roberto: it must he a config file <klepas> you cannot do it via the GUI under an options windows or the like? <Roberto> no <Roberto> and there is a rhonda96@example.net/xml.php <Roberto> all the url points to art.gnome.org <Roberto> s/url points/urls point/ <klepas> thanks i'll remember than and fix it soon <klepas> or ask someone else to do it (if i don't have access =] ) <Roberto> :) <Roberto> i think that miketech it's the gnome-art developer ;) <Roberto> s/it's/is/ <Roberto> (excuse my English) <klepas> gnome-art doesn't have anything to do with XML_File=http://art.gnome.org/xml.php <klepas> wait <klepas> not that one <klepas> art.ubuntu.com/xml.php <klepas> i just need to find that sftp info and fix it <Viper550> I think I may have found another good theme for Ubuntu! http://art.gnome.org/themes/metacity/1192 <Viper550> HELLO?! Anyone in here? <mhz> http://art.gnome.org/themes/icon/1100 is more fresh set of icons, than Tango #ubuntu-artwork 2006-02-09 <Tm_T> artnay: FINALLY! (yeah, code might be ugly but it works here!) http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kedubuntu-basic-03.svg <klepas> Tm_T: looks clean and sharp (the image, heven't peaked at the xml) :) <Tm_T> so it works, good <Tm_T> earlier I had problem with xml <Tm_T> now save as plain svg, read, modify, save as plain svg, read, modify back fixed the problem :p <klepas> cool <artnay> hey guys <artnay> damn, I missed the meeting :( <artnay> I've had some serious problems with all my computers (like not getting further from BIOS) <artnay> one lost VGA signal etc. <klepas> hey artnay ! <artnay> and they are all broken at the moment <artnay> hey klepas <artnay> how was the meeting? <klepas> hey man, been a while now <klepas> i didn't know about it <klepas> just sort of was on at the right time <artnay> so did you have it? <klepas> not much happened <klepas> yea <artnay> great <artnay> well that doesn't surprise me <artnay> at least henrik was present, that's good. I've wanted to chat with him for a while now <artnay> I really need to get some new HW so that all computers would be functional <artnay> klepas: so school started, eh? <artnay> how was LCA? <klepas> no <klepas> that is monday <klepas> artnay: LCA was the most fun i've had for a very, very long time <klepas> check my blog man :) <artnay> what about andy's icon set? <artnay> do we something to play with? <artnay> *insert have* <klepas> andy is working on something as a sort of shot-off of tango <klepas> canonical will hire more graphic artists <klepas> especially one to do a set <klepas> and our influence on what goes into mainstream won't change <klepas> that doesn't mean some of our wallpapers or splashes might not make it into dapper or future releases <klepas> they just need to be very good <klepas> as for artwork in general we are encouraged to make and maintain art packages <klepas> if they are good and popular enough entire packages might be included in mainstream <klepas> that's the jist of it pretty much <artnay> oh, really? I was told that there was plans to hire experts but nothing happened with it <artnay> so dapper+1 then <artnay> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Evaluation/MetacityTheme <artnay> what's the main difference between cl2 and unity-no-red? if I recall correctly, unity does not waste that much space <artnay> but then, that goes against "the bigger the better when it comes to important functions" principle <artnay> at least I think that the current metacity theme has too big buttons <artnay> ...if you take account that X will not get configured correctly, you end up with terrible large metacity theme and low resolution :o <klepas> i'm personally fond of a brown version of tango metacity <klepas> :) <artnay> the edge is terribly large by default <klepas> yea, true <klepas> but it could be fixed :) <klepas> btw, using gnome now <klepas> on ubuntu <artnay> sorry guys, I'm using vista at the moment (friend's computer) and its windeco (aero black) is pretty damn decent <artnay> much better than xp's luna <klepas> http://wombat.nuxified.com/files/mydesktop_06-02-03.jpg <artnay> I find this better than OS X's traffic lights. maybe because this one reflects much better when cursor goes over buttons <artnay> what, klepas using G? :P <klepas> artnay: read my blog... :P <klepas> reasons are covered there <artnay> ok <artnay> so how was the change? <klepas> i'm still somewhat going through it <klepas> lots of things in gnome that really shitting me <klepas> and kubuntu annoyed me even more <klepas> gnome it is for a while <artnay> so was there any word of schedule for andrew's icon set? <artnay> hmm <artnay> hopefully kubuntu will get more (financial and dev) focus after dapper <klepas> i probably ought to properly explain what andy wants to do <klepas> basically rather than make so many icon sets, each with a different colouration and such <klepas> because it really is a lot of work <klepas> he wants to make a sort of generic set <artnay> I know, he explained it to me some time ago <klepas> which can be altered really quickly <klepas> ah, good <artnay> sounds reasonable <klepas> he wants to integrate it into tango <klepas> yea <artnay> that way just adapt ubuntu's palette to it and voila <klepas> he didn't inform me of any timeframe <klepas> andy is a great guy btw <artnay> so let's assume that is not for dapper <klepas> no <klepas> definitely not <artnay> damn, I'm missing words every once in a while <klepas> canonical is hiring a graphic artists from scandinavia to do it <artnay> why scandinavia? <klepas> for dapper <klepas> no idea <jsgotangco> heh <klepas> i guess the guy just lives there that they had in mind <artnay> umh, they will have some really busy time <klepas> mark didn't hint on his name <jsgotangco> we can still make a difference with AUC <artnay> jsgotangco: we actually should make <klepas> well i don't really care if they want the art team to not really have any major influence on mainstream art <artnay> that's a necessity if you ask me :o <klepas> more work for them <klepas> and if they or their artists bugger up not my problem <artnay> me neither, I'd just like to see some proper plans <klepas> yea <klepas> i'm going to ask Jeff to re-inforce the fact that we really don't get to decide what goes into mainstream <artnay> hmm, damn NAT. it's giving me a headache with this ssh connection <jsgotangco> :/ * jsgotangco had a long day moving sites <artnay> hmm, I was told something really different by two canonical devs <artnay> so, yes, announce the facts and there will be misunderstandings <jsgotangco> 2 different things? <artnay> *NO* <artnay> as I said, I'm missing words here :) <klepas> jsgotangco: you're using gnome? <artnay> 2 different things, yeah. you could sum that up to one thing, there really are no proper plans to be announced :( <jsgotangco> yes <jsgotangco> (i can switch to kde if you need something) <klepas> ah, goodie <klepas> nah, i've just moved to gnome <jsgotangco> what's up? <klepas> i'm after a good gtk rss feed aggregator <klepas> wondering whether you could recommend some good ones :) <artnay> liferea is my bet <artnay> or thunderbird <jsgotangco> im using liferea <klepas> i dislike thunderbird <artnay> haven't really used GTK apps for some time <jsgotangco> i used to have blam but since since i found lifrea, i've stuck to it <klepas> alrighty, i'll give it a go <klepas> hey you two <klepas> my personal suggestion is we just let canonical do their stuff <klepas> and we'll fix this wiki so others who join the team aren't under the notion that they can directly get their work into mainstream <klepas> and they we can produce and manage some universe art packages <klepas> and do some work aside from that which might go into mainstream <jsgotangco> well yes i was thinking more of cultivating community so that they'll see what we can actually do <jsgotangco> packaging them won't be a problem <klepas> jsgotangco: i just cba fighting what canonical, mark and others think in regards to this <klepas> because it will mean distraction from what i want to work on <klepas> and senseless frustration <jsgotangco> too bad i didnt get the chance to discuss that much art stuff with mark when i had lunch with him last thursday :/ <jsgotangco> we discussed more about docs <artnay> hmm <jsgotangco> i dont think art has its own repository even <jsgotangco> but that's only secondary <artnay> I agree that wiki should be fixed <artnay> but how? henrik made some big changes but I don't follow them <artnay> there was this wiki page for wiki structure proposal (thanks to mhz for that) * jsgotangco reviews it again <artnay> for example /Artwork should be renewed (there are dupe links) but now I have no idea how to set it up <klepas> yea <klepas> and it should be /ArtWork <klepas> for CamelCase purposes <artnay> no offense but I think that the renewal of /Artwork missed the point <artnay> I think news section is essential <klepas> yep <artnay> on the main page... <klepas> i won't have time to have a look at it <klepas> damn college begins monday <klepas> and i've got to get this damn system working how i like it before then <jsgotangco> what do you suggest on the wiki page i can help out with markup <Tm_T> artnay: moin <klepas> btw jsgotangco, liferea is really nice. cheers :) <artnay> well my suggestion was what I set up last time <jsgotangco> oh goodie <artnay> I see no point in official wiki page. that one should be combined with marketing team's web button page etc. <artnay> and separate all the logos under different /*buntuArtwork pages <artnay> and you could navigate to those /*buntuArtwork pages though /Artwork <artnay> and the general feedback page is kind of useless. it *should* receive so much comments that it would be hard to navigate it <artnay> my proposal was to have a wiki page for each project. one to contain dependencies, members, current state, issues etc. <artnay> and other one for wip artwork and comments <artnay> it would be easier to track the comments that have something to do with projects one is interested of <jsgotangco> UbuntuArtwork/KubuntuArtwork/etc? <artnay> jsgotangco: UbuntuArtwork, KubuntuArtwork, EdubuntuArtwork and XubuntuArtwork for now (in order of appereance) <artnay> but the issue was how to cover those projects that are being worked on several *buntus <artnay> mainly UbuntuArtwork and EdubuntuArtwork as they use the same GNOME software in many cases <artnay> so, we would have ended to /Artwork/UbuntuArtwork/Metacity etc. <artnay> I find the current structure much harder to navigate as it hides a lot of essential information under several pages <artnay> I consider /ArtworkTeam/Proposals to be the most important page currently, but it's hidden and the links are without explanations <jsgotangco> hmmm xchat is locking up on me again <artnay> mhz_dinner: <artnay> how's gnome-xchat anyways? <jsgotangco> hideous in my opinion <artnay> hey, GNOME's splash <artnay> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=108761&page=4 - #1 and #33 <artnay> any comments on those? if the metacity theme will be rounded, how about using the third one on #1? #33 is a nice approach, try it :o <klepas> 33 is nice <klepas> but i doubt we have any say in the matter <artnay> umh, isn't that against CoC? ;p <artnay> I mean, of course we should have some input, but the decision would be made by canonical devs and mark <artnay> and if they don't have time for that nor hired experts, who will do that? <klepas> yea, i guess <klepas> i might have a crack at it then after i do this splash for sweep :) <artnay> how about background? <asdax> hallo everybody <artnay> hey <asdax> i think all the pixel graphics icons should be replaced with svg in the next realese <artnay> what's on your mind? <asdax> if it would be possible, it is much cooler when you can scale all icons <artnay> it's not possible in every case AFAIK <asdax> witch case not? <artnay> and SVGs are heavier than PNGs <klepas> asdax: that is up to whether the underlying technology can <artnay> but yes, I love SVGs <klepas> not the artists <artnay> :) <asdax> not when they are rederd once <asdax> :P <asdax> but like all desktop icons <klepas> for example Qt in KDE 4 will have full SVG support <asdax> becouse its very nice when one can scale them (i use big icons) <artnay> asdax: I fully agree on that <klepas> asdax: rendering a PNG icon is easier for the computer than rendering SVGs <asdax> but i had to replace alot of icons that where pixelbased becouse they looked so ugly when they where scaled <artnay> yep, and it's much easier to change colours when you don't need gimp files etc. <asdax> yes :) <artnay> asdax: but the case is that we have no clue of the next icon set <asdax> are you all active in the making of the graphics for the next realese of ubuntu? <artnay> yasis is one chance <artnay> no we're not <asdax> oki <asdax> i could contribute some svg graphics <asdax> i made my own icon for the harddrive becouse that one was pixelbased <artnay> that would be great <artnay> yep <asdax> where does the graphics developers hang around? <asdax> or who to contact about such things? <artnay> my suggestion would be to use human yasis as a base icon set and then modify it heavily <artnay> use some tango icons, some andy's icons etc. <jsgotangco> you mean art that comes in the distro? that's contracted outside <asdax> oki <jsgotangco> the tango icons need some changes <artnay> just use ubuntu palette in those icons and add a unified reflection to all icons <asdax> is that the one that is the default in breezer? <jsgotangco> to match the palette <artnay> from left above, just like tango is doing <asdax> who is tango? <artnay> jsgotangco: yep, I think tango is a bit too colourful <artnay> just type "tango icon project" in your fx's address bar <artnay> that will do it :) <asdax> i have no tango command <artnay> wait, I'll give you the address <asdax> but the people in here are the onces responsible for the graphics shiped with ubuntu? <artnay> http://tango-project.org/Tango_Icon_Gallery <klepas> i might be off <klepas> good night folks <jsgotangco> night klepas <artnay> its license is CC-SA 2.5 which is debian takes as a free license <jsgotangco> have a good one <klepas> cheers <artnay> it permits everyone to change the palette etc. <jsgotangco> yes <artnay> no, none of us here is responsible for what is being included in default installation <asdax> i want to get involved alite with that <asdax> i like to make svg graphics :) <asdax> who are working with that then? <artnay> sure, one thing would to form a team to be responsible for the icon set <artnay> umh, I don't have any idea of that :o <jsgotangco> that's contracted outside for now (especially the wallpaper) <artnay> I don't know who did the background, who did the metacity theme etc. <artnay> jsgotangco: which parts of DE have been outsourced? <asdax> :P <artnay> artwork in ubuntu to be precise <asdax> so what are people in here doing then? <jsgotangco> asdax, we're trying to form a team you see <asdax> aha <artnay> asdax: umh, tweaking their own DEs and having a chat with people interested in ubuntu artwork <jsgotangco> and we've been trying to do that since breezy <asdax> what is a DE? <artnay> acronym for desktop enviroment <artnay> damn typos <asdax> oki <artnay> jsgotangco: yes, but there are a few things that have been preventing people to fully contribute on ubuntu artwork <asdax> what things? <jsgotangco> well there's a.u.c. but its terribly tedious work for admins <artnay> the lack of information, clear goals, disorganization <asdax> oki <asdax> auc? is that on organisation? <artnay> we've been trying to get answers to our questions but haven't succeded in that <asdax> :P <artnay> no, it's http://art.ubuntu.com <asdax> seems to be very much disorganisation then ;) <artnay> AUC should be the primary web site for ubuntu artwork <jsgotangco> silbs used to be involved but she seemed a bit busy lately <jsgotangco> artnay, yes, me and henrik talked about moving it to moin <artnay> jsgotangco: volvo and I have sent several mails to different people without getting replies <asdax> oki <jsgotangco> who? <jsgotangco> jeff? <artnay> and we have even /msg'd "hey, drop me a msg when you're there" <asdax> hope the rest of the ubuntu project is better organaiset :P <jsgotangco> asdax, define organized :) <artnay> jsgotangco: no, not jeff. I've spoken to many devs and they have instructed to contact PR people <asdax> :P <jsgotangco> PR people? <artnay> Jane* <jsgotangco> silber? <artnay> and W <jsgotangco> but JaneW is a project person <artnay> volvo sent his first mail back in july <jsgotangco> she's not involved in development at all <jsgotangco> she'll pass whatever info/email she gets to a dev or a community member that can give an answer <artnay> ok, good to know <jsgotangco> she's a really nice lady really <artnay> asdax: many of us have contributed a way or another. the main issue is just that we haven't organized, combined our strenghts to pick the best artwork out there <asdax> is volvo someone who use to hang around in this channel? <jsgotangco> yes <asdax> :P <artnay> he is the artwork team leader <jsgotangco> he's one of the original artwork people <artnay> take a look at the member list <asdax> oki <jsgotangco> but he got into some health problems lately <asdax> does volvo use to hang around in this channel? <artnay> yep, he was in a surgery <jsgotangco> and i haven't seen andy for quite a while <asdax> oki <artnay> /last volvo = no result <artnay> excludind what we spoke :o <asdax> dont know what excludind means :P <asdax> sorry <artnay> excluding <asdax> aha <asdax> then i think i know <asdax> what harddrive icons do you use? <asdax> i maybe should show you the one i made <artnay> windows vista :( <asdax> do you use the original? <asdax> are you running on windows vista? (is that realesed?) :P <artnay> actually I don't even have a working computer now <artnay> friend's laptop <asdax> aha <artnay> all my three computers are broken at the moment <artnay> I'm waiting for new HW <artnay> that's why I missed the meeting, damn :/ <asdax> i thought vista wasnt realesed yet, but i am not that up to date with the windows world :P <artnay> it's not <asdax> is there hardwere errors in all 3 of your computers? <artnay> it will most probably be released before dapper+1 <asdax> oki :P <asdax> has it leaked out on the internet then or how did you friend got it? <artnay> yep, one crashes even in BIOS, one doesn't send VGA signal and one doesn't even boot <artnay> MSDN subscriber <asdax> oki <asdax> did you do anything special with the computers when they got strange? <artnay> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=1600&c=3 <artnay> there's the hd icon I use <artnay> not actually, I didn't use one for a long time <asdax> oki <artnay> and one just crashed after 17 days of uptime <artnay> and since that it has kept crashing even in BIOS <asdax> does windows vista look nice or is it as ugly as xp? :p <artnay> I was pleasantly surprised by the changes (at least artwork changes :>) <artnay> aero black kicks luna's ass big time <asdax> nice screenshot, it looks alite bit mac <asdax> what windowsmanager do you use? <artnay> and this one has nice effects <artnay> KWin <asdax> oki <asdax> never heard of <artnay> it's KDE running there <asdax> aha :P <artnay> KWin is what Metacity to GNOME <asdax> oki <artnay> damn, now I'm starting to miss verbs as well :) <asdax> but you dont use everything in kde, just some parts of it that is kwin then? <artnay> KWin takes care of the windecos etc. <jsgotangco> i gotta crash <jsgotangco> good night <artnay> bye <artnay> and it was nice talking with you <asdax> bye bye <artnay> WM != DE <jsgotangco> neat-o <asdax> DE is KDE with all menys and everything and WM is just for moving the windows and so on? <asdax> :P <asdax> or am i wrong? <artnay> DE includes lots of other stuff what WMs are mostly missing <asdax> like menus? <artnay> like file managers, music players, internet browser etc. <artnay> look at the wikipedia, it might explain the difference <artnay> but DEs include WMs <asdax> oki :) <artnay> but, umh, I have to get going <asdax> oki, C U <asdax> have a nice day! <artnay> I might come back later today, depends on what will happen <asdax> oki <artnay> you too, hope to see you here again <artnay> bue <derek[] > bbl #ubuntu-artwork 2006-02-10 <mhz> I have just done a wallpaper. I rhonda96@example.net but I have no idea how to upload it? <mhz> Do i need to have it somewhere (URL) previously? <mhz> Is there a way to upload it just from my HD ? #ubuntu-artwork 2006-02-11 <mhz> I have just done a wallpaper. I rhonda96@example.net but I have no idea how to upload it? <mhz> Do i need to have it somewhere (URL) previously? <mhz> Is there a way to upload it just from my HD ? <maswan> too bad this isn't allowed, otherwise it'd be a pretty neat background (with a bit of work): http://www.acc.umu.se/~maswan/util/tmp/ubuntu-earthrise.jpg <Tm_T> what you mean by "not allowed" <Tm_T> ah, no rights for that photo <maswan> Tm_T: No, usage of the logo (I cut out the text) <maswan> Tm_T: the photo is claimed to be in the public domain by the rights owner (nasa) <Tm_T> ok <Tm_T> interesting <Tm_T> I rape and rip all logos as I like, someone else handle legalities =) <maswan> heh <maswan> http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/images11.html <- that has a blurb on top starting with "No copyright is asserted for NASA photographs." then some requests ("should give credit to NASA") and so * Tm_T fixed new kubuntu logo, no idea if it was done legal <maswan> dunno <maswan> I just read http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/TrademarkPolicy/ <Tm_T> heh <Tm_T> http://kubuntu.org/ <- still using old, dunno when riddell updates it <Tm_T> http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kubuntu-dapper-crystal_3-360x86.png <- supposed to use this in there <maswan> Well, if that is OK, I'd be happy to touch it up and submit it. <maswan> Tm_T: I guess, if that logo has a more liberal license, I could do a kubuntu background. :) <Tm_T> maswan: hum, dunno, riddell might know <lapo> hi #ubuntu-artwork 2006-02-12 <derek[] > :( <derek[] > linux doesn't seem very good for graphical work <derek[] > :/ <klepas> really? * klepas is happy with it #ubuntu-artwork 2006-02-13 <derek[] > People, if you're using linux, please have a look here: http://derek.shorturl.com/temp/typeclarity_compare.html <klepas> derek[] : what OS do you run? <derek[] > I'm running Ubuntu 5.04, Gnome <klepas> okay <klepas> also take into considering that GNOME uses a different font renderer than KDE uses for example <derek[] > i see <klepas> therefore, noting that the upper example is "linux" is actually not really all that precise <klepas> it would be more accurate to write "GNOME <klepas> *"GNOME: <klepas> ack <klepas> can't spell this eve :) <klepas> also, GNOME runs under UNIX too, so you would get the same rendering <klepas> and finally <klepas> go to System -> Preferences -> Fonts and configure your fonts and their rendering how you see fit. :) <klepas> and one observation, "Is there a way to make the text render as crisp and fine (neatly kerned) as it looks on windows?" <klepas> what you're after is a actually a lack of a feature <derek[] > :) <derek[] > I know <derek[] > antialiasing <klepas> windows anti-aliasing is poor and therefore displays poorly <derek[] > when antialiasing is applied to smaller fonts, it looks 'blotted' <klepas> but yes, you can change rendering of anti-aliasing in the fonts configuration dialogue under GNOME <klepas> yes <derek[] > and I don't like it <klepas> because there are several areas which must not be blurred in a font <klepas> others may <klepas> at least with truetype <derek[] > ok, let me update the page <klepas> andyfitz can tell you a lot more about it (he does font design) <klepas> :) <derek[] > (and I did play with the font settings in gnome.. didn't help) <klepas> oh? <derek[] > also, note that the kerning is very bad <derek[] > bad kerning with antialiasing on small fonts can make it look horrible <klepas> yep <klepas> that is something you cannot fix under linux <klepas> because it's inbuilt into the fonts <klepas> and windows will have it too shortly (better rendering). iirc <derek[] > you mean antialiasing ? <klepas> yep <derek[] > damn :) <klepas> btw -> http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/images/gpl3-reloaded.jpg <klepas> :P <klepas> the GPL! Reloaded! <derek[] > klepas, refresh: http://derek.shorturl.com/temp/typeclarity_compare.html <klepas> featuring RMS and my arm <derek[] > ;) <klepas> derek[] : change your global gnome fonts (other than the monospace one) to bistream vera sans and then to size 8 <klepas> :) <derek[] > ok <derek[] > Hi <derek[] > Hi <derek[] > How do you install a new ttf font in Ubuntu? <mhz> usually, with apt <mhz> or synaptics #ubuntu-artwork 2006-02-14 <jsgotangco> hmm yasis looks great <derek[] > what's yasis? <jsgotangco> icon set <derek[] > k <mhz_food> jsgotangco: i still prefer the more refreshing look of art.gnome.org/themes/icon/1100 <jsgotangco> dropline? <jsgotangco> the look like clearn gartoon :) <mhz_food> hehehe <jsgotangco> s/clearn/clean <mhz_food> a little bit <derek[] > give the link to yasis <jsgotangco> mhz_food, did you really appear on tv for edubuntu? <derek[] > plz <mhz_food> well, maybe is because i am too into 3 sets for edubuntu levels + xfce instead of gnome :) <mhz_food> jsgotangco: yup, 3 minutes <mhz_food> jsgotangco: why? <jsgotangco> derek[] , http://art.gnome.org/themes/icon/1168 <jsgotangco> wow <mhz_food> too ugly? <derek[] > thx <derek[] > on TV in which country? <jsgotangco> hey at least you got to be on TV and we don't :) <mhz_food> jsgotangco: the note was about Free as in Freedom. I talked almost 2 minutes about Ubuntu and Edubuntu. That was in a tv program called Invasion, 'Chilevision' Channel (Chile) <jsgotangco> haha <jsgotangco> nice title <jsgotangco> "Invasion Chilevision" <mhz_food> :0 <jsgotangco> like a sci-fi B Movie <mhz_food> the program: Invasion <mhz_food> Channel: Chilevision <mhz_food> country: Chile <jsgotangco> yeah <jsgotangco> "Invasion Chilevision" <mhz_food> okis <jsgotangco> :D <jsgotangco> invade what? <mhz_food> jsgotangco: the producer promised me to provide a MPG file of it but I have been waiting for almost 2 months <derek[] > i see <mhz_food> and still nothing <mhz_food> :( <mhz_food> jsgotangco: however, if we can carry out out little event at the end of april, I am sure I will have TV and Radio coverage <jsgotangco> hmmm <mhz_food> jsgotangco: oh,, and I just got a
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