#ubuntu-testing 2008-11-03 <ara> morning all :-) <ara> morning davmor2 <davmor2> Morning ara * ara -> lunch #ubuntu-testing 2008-11-04 <stgraber> ogasawara: hey, I filed bug 292411 a couple of days ago, any opinion on that ? I'm really wondering why it's not included by default in the initrd, especially if it's for a good reason :) <ogasawara> stgraber: lemme look <stgraber> great, no bug-parser bot around it seems ... <stgraber> it's basically making the Asus EEE 1000HA to fail installing using netboot (or you'll have to copy the module and insmod manually as I did) <stgraber> which is kind of a problem for a computer without a cdrom drive :) <ogasawara> stgraber: I'll ping the kernel team about it <stgraber> ok, thanks <ogasawara> stgraber: we saw a similar issue with the igb driver, I think it's a matter of us just adding the driver to the nic-modules files in the kernel (similar to bug 273904) <stgraber> right, looks very similar <stgraber> ogasawara: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-intrepid.git;a=commitdiff;h=d44b8d6dcad34b1a5e5b2194b8190f7e5dea44e2;hp=ab74b1b0b30ac157694a33d79f9965b21d24937c <stgraber> ogasawara: you can see: +atle ? <stgraber> but that's likely a typo as the driver is atl1e :) <ogasawara> right <stgraber> and AFAICS atl2 doesn't exist either <ogasawara> stgraber: modinfo atl2 shows me info <stgraber> oh, right it's in ubuntu/atl2, I was looking in drivers/net :) <ogasawara> anyways, I'll post a note about the typo and bug 292411 in your report <stgraber> so it's a one character typo in nic-modules :) <ogasawara> then I'll ping rtg in the morning <stgraber> ok, it's not a big issue as I just added the module to my initrd but it may well be for some other EEE users (these things are quite popular now :)) <ogasawara> stgraber: it's a simple enough fix I think we can get it in as an SRU for Intrepid and definitely available for Jaunty <ara> morning all :) <davmor2> Morning Everybody <james_w> ara: howdy, I see ubuntu-desktop-testing on REVU, is that still intended for upload? <ara> hey james_w, no, that was intended for intrepid. We will have to rethink it for jaunty <ara> james_w: thanks <james_w> ara: cool, thanks. I'll ask for it to be archived, feel free to ping me when you have something for Jaunty <ara> james_w: cool, thanks * ara -> lunch <davmor2> ara: I've got screenshots now for wubi and most of kubuntu, tomorrow I'll finish that and do the xubuntu screenshots while I start getting some of the kubuntu stuff uploaded. <ara> davmor2: cool. I hope I will be able to do some stuff on the testcases tomorrow. Can you send me an email with the stuff that needs to be done? <davmor2> Yes I'll do that tomorrow first thing I going to knock off now bad head. #ubuntu-testing 2008-11-05 <ara> morning all :) <schwuk> Morning all <davmor2> Hello everybody <thekorn> hey davmor2 <ara> davmor2: I haven't had the time to give some love to the test cases, but it is now in my todo list for tomorrow <davmor2> ara: I've not long got back so I haven't even started yet so I might not till tomorrow :( #ubuntu-testing 2008-11-06 <ara> morning all <davmor2> Good Morning Everybody <ara> morning davmor2 <davmor2> ara: just throwing together the wubi page :) <ara> davmor2: :) <davmor2> ara: https://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu/DesktopCD/Wubi off for breakfast bbl <mvo> good morning ara <ara> morning mvo, thanks for your help <ara> davmor2: looks great! <ara> mvo: I am doing some final changes and will reply to you and henrik <mvo> ara: excellent, thanks <davmor2> Damn missed a good meeting last night :( <davmor2> caught up now though :) <davmor2> ara: as for community docs for testing I've been thinking would it not be better to keep the Ubunutu/Kubuntu/NBR (other canonical sponsored) stuff on the new wiki and leave the community edubuntu/xubuntu/ubuntustudio/mythbunut etc on the old wiki? <ara> davmor2: I don't see why that would be necessary. The new wiki is also under u.c <davmor2> ara: fair enough just athought :) <persia> Where exactly is the "new wiki"? <persia> Oh, nevermind. I can read. Really. <davmor2> ara: starting on the Kubuntu docs now :) <ara> davmor2: :) <davmor2> ara: Right that's 3-4 in place on /Kubuntu/Applications I'll finish up and add the rest when I get back. <ara> davmor2: ok. I will try to update this afternoon the testcases numbers, identification and such <ara> ping sbeattie <ara> davmor2: I will start doing the ID tracking of Ubuntu applications <davmor2> cool :) <ara> davmor2: will update tc.qa.u.c/Ubuntu/Applications as I go by <davmor2> np's <ara> sbeattie, please, let me know whenever you're around. thanks <krafty> i couldn't access the google apps shared document <sbeattie> ara: what's up? <ara> sbeattie: hey, good morning :) <ara> sbeattie: about the testing day. I am nearly off, so I am writing you an email <sbeattie> ara: thanks. I appreciate your help. <davmor2> ara: that a few more done I'll finish off tomorrow :) <ara> davmor2: cool! I hope to give some love to the ids also! <davmor2> nn everybody <mvo> hey! would it be possible to priorize the update-manager sru verifications? would be nice to get it into -updates as early as possible <sbeattie> mvo: yes. I'll look at the 3 other ones besides 40058 later today <sbeattie> mvo: I'm using 40058 as an example for my openweek session in 30 min <mvo_> sbeattie: thanks! <bchurchwell> QUESTION: SRUs seem to be lagging behind for the Dell Mini. Is this true, and is there anything I can do to help? Is there an associated -proposed repository? <sbeattie> There should be a -proposed repository for lpia as well <sbeattie> I don't know much about the specifics of the dell mini <sbeattie> but absolutely, if there's fixes outstanding for the dell mini, it would be really useful if you could test those packages <bchurchwell> OK, thanks. I'll do some more poking around. It has its own repositories. <sbeattie> right. #ubuntu-mobile might know more specifically about what's happening there <bchurchwell> I'll check with them, thanks. * persia doubts the #ubuntu-mobile crowd will know much more about the special Dell repos, but could be wrong #ubuntu-testing 2008-11-07 <ara> morning all :) * ara reboots * ara takes a break <ara> happy weekend everybody! <ara> cheers! <ogasawara> cr3: sconklin posted a link to a test kernel for bug 293372 (dell optiplex 330 reboot issue) <ogasawara> cr3: care to test and confirm it fixes it <cr3> ogasawara: sure thing <ogasawara> cr3: thanks <cr3> ogasawara: the package seems to contain a menu.lst, install package maintainers or keep? <ogasawara> cr3: hrm, dunno. I guess keep? <ogasawara> cr3: which .deb was it? <ogasawara> cr3: I think you only need to install the linux-image-2.6.27-8-generic_2.6.27-8.17_i386.deb <cr3> ogasawara: that's the package I'm installing <cr3> ogasawara: I'll install the package maintainer's version so that I can claim it works <ogasawara> cr3: ok thanks <ogasawara> cr3: I'd never seen that pop up before, how odd. I selected to "show the differences between the versions", it just shows is adding the 2.6.27-8 kernel to menu.lst. so probably good you picked the maintainer's version. <cr3> ogasawara: the package worked, I updated the bug <ogasawara> cr3: sweet, thanks for testing. <persia> Umm, is this /boot/grub/menu.lst? <cr3> persia: yep <cr3> ogasawara: probably just mispackaged, no biggie <persia> That *really* shouldn't be shipped in a package. It's modified by running update-grub. <persia> If the kernel package is shipping it, that's different, and should be stopped. <persia> Does it show in dpkg --contents on the .deb ? <james_w> persia: I think it's a side effect of having a ucf managed menu.lst <cr3> persia: it's not in the package, dpkg --contents linux-image-2.6.27-8-generic_2.6.27-8.17_i386.deb | grep menu.lst returns nothing <persia> cr3, OK. Ignore me then. <ogasawara> cr3: it is sconklin's first patch/SRU for the kernel-team and I'm not quite sure of the steps he used to create the package <persia> james_w, That makes sense, but regardless of how it's managed, the bootloader update hook is the right way to update it most of the time, and shipping it in a package would be a much more significant change than might be sane for an SRU. <james_w> persia: I agree, but in this case the message that the package includes a new version is misleading, as it doesn't include it at all <persia> james_w, Yep. It certainly confused me. On the other hand, that's probably a relatively minor update-grub bug. <persia> I'm also a little curious how cr3's system was changed in a way that raised the flag, but that's probably just a documentation gap. <ogasawara> persia: it I happened just now on my system as well when I tried. I'd never seen it before. <ogasawara> persia: http://people.ubuntu.com/~sconklin/293372/ <persia> ogasawara, Do you know if source packages for that are available anywhere? <ogasawara> persia: unfortunately I don't, but let me get sconklin to join here * persia doesn't have an i386 system handy anyway, but would prefer to avoid asking users a misleading and probably incorrect question if possible. <ogasawara> hi sconklin <sconklin> hi, what's up? <persia> sconklin, We're just looking at http://people.ubuntu.com/~sconklin/293372/ and it seems to prompt for a change in menu.lst, which is unexpected. <persia> I was curious if there was a source package available that produced those .debs for comparison with the current version in the repos. <persia> Mind you, I don't understand why a change to the vesa drivers would affect menu.lst that way. Maybe it's because the version number isn't different? <sconklin> persia: I only built the ones that are there, but I can build the source package. It's quite possible I did something wrong, as I'm new to the process. <persia> How did you build binary packages without first building the source package? <sconklin> Prompting for the same version case makes sense, so you have a recovery path, but I don't know whether that's the case. <sconklin> maybe I'm not understanding. I just built binary-generic from the git checkout. <persia> Oh, maybe I'm looking at the wrong thing then. * persia compares against 2.6.7-7.16 <sconklin> I checked out Ubuntu-2.6.27-8.17 <persia> Right, which is why I'm comparing to 2.6.27-7-16 as opposed to 2.6.27-8.17 (repo version). It might be that the change isn't your latest change, but something else. <persia> cr3, ogasawara Can you reproduce the menu.lst issue with the current version in -proposed? <ogasawara> persia: I'll test, just a sec <persia> Looks to me like -8.17 (both sconklin's and -proposed) have some extra stuff that doesn't belong. <persia> http://pastebin.com/f255fc809 is the output of debdiff between 7.16 and the 8.17 in -proposed. I think most of that belongs in linux-firmware, and the /boot stuff doesn't zstrickland@example.net. <persia> Hmm. Seems to contain a bunch of modules stuff as well. Explains why *-modules-2.6.27-8-* have such small filesizes from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/ <ogasawara> persia: installed normally, not prompt * persia is confused. <sconklin> not as confused as me. <persia> binary debdiffs tend to be opaque, but the only thing different between the 8.17 in the pool and sconklin's 8.17 appears to be the vesa drivers. <persia> Whereas the difference between the contents of 7.16 and 8.17 are *huge* <sconklin> oh, pgraner said something about a bunch of firmware being put in at some point, but I didn't follow all of it. That was a couple of weeks ago. He might have some insight. <persia> And I don't understand why changes to the contents of the vesa drivers would trigger a menu.lst warning. <persia> ogasawara, Just to double-check (although I'm confident the answer is "yes"), the same procedure was used for each upgrade, from the same base state, right? <ogasawara> persia: yes <persia> james_w, Any other ideas? This sounds like more than a ucf issue. <james_w> ogasawara: have you manually modified your menu.lst? <ogasawara> james_w: just small tweaks like removing 'quiet' <james_w> I assume you did it the "correct" way? <ogasawara> james_w: what's the "correct" way? I just manually edited <james_w> ogasawara: did you change the "# defoptions=quiet splash" line? <persia> (the correct way is to change that, and run `update-grub`) <ogasawara> james_w: ah, I didn't do that <james_w> cr3: hey, did you edit your menu.lst at all? <persia> ogasawara, But when you upgraded to sconklin's kernel with your manually edited menu.lst you got the warning, and when you upgraded to the proposed kernel with your manually edited menu.lst you didn't get a warning? <ogasawara> persia: correct <persia> See, that's the confusing part, which makes me suspect that either the manual edits aren't the culprit, or that something else odd is happening. <ogasawara> sconklin: when you built the kernel you used the magic kernel scripts right? eg CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=2 AUTOBUILD=1 NOEXTRAS=1 fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic <persia> hunh? <persia> Shouldn't it just be "debuild -b"? <persia> (or build a source package, and feed it to pbuilder or sbuild) <sconklin> maybe not. I used: <sconklin> fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic <ogasawara> persia: the kernel builds straight from the git repository <persia> ogasawara, Not on the buildds it doesn't. <persia> And testing anything built differently than it will be built on the buildds invites unexpected differences. <ogasawara> persia: right, which might explain this oddity <persia> Yeah. That makes a lot more sense than the other stuff, and it could well not show in a binary debdiff. <sconklin> if I need to do things differently, please explain it in small words :) <ogasawara> sconklin: for test kernels I usually just build it with the kernel scripts like you did but I've never ran into this prompt issue about changing grub's menu.lst <ogasawara> sconklin: let's maybe raise it next week in PDX <sconklin> yes please. <persia> sconklin, I'd recommend running `apt-get build-dep linux-image-2.6.27-8-generic` on your system once, and then running `debuild -b` from the source directory as a quick hack until then, but I don't tend to do much on the kernels, so this might not be the best advice. <sconklin> persia: thanks, I'll ask some other kernel folks, too. I did what I found on the wiki, so perhaps that page needs some love. <sconklin> biab, emergency delivery of socks to my son's school. <sconklin> back <nagappan> cr3, with Ubuntu 8.10, for all message I receive in XChat, it highlights as I have received private message, is this known issue ? I have upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10 <cr3> nagappan: sorry, I wouldn't know, I don't use XChat :) <nagappan> cr3, ok <nagappan> cr3, can you point some one, I want it to be fixed <persia> nagappan, You'd do better to file a bug about it, no? <nagappan> persia, sure <cr3> persia: nice going, you scared him away ;) <nagappan> cr3, persia, removed existing XChat conf and restarting the XChat, fixed the issue for me, thanks :) <persia> nagappan, Oh, so it's a config issue, rather than a source issue? That's excellent to hear. <nagappan> persia, :) #ubuntu-testing 2008-11-08 <ettlz> Hello, I'm somewhat new to Ubuntu. Is there a place where I can download and test recent builds/update candidates of packages (like the Koji for Fedora)? #ubuntu-testing 2008-11-09 <Chrizzieej> hello guys <Chrizzieej> i've got a question: how can I join the Ubuntu Testing Group? <skorasaurus> howdy. <skorasaurus> i want to register my hardware profile for proposed, however the link on the wiki might be outdated. <skorasaurus> it sends me to this page - https://bugs.launchpad.net/proposed-tracking/+bugs which is still for hardy <skorasaurus> hello. <johncrichton> hi #ubuntu-testing 2008-11-10 <johncrichton> hello? <ara_> hello people! <ara_> I remember you that today is an Ubuntu Testing Day! <ara_> details: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/UbuntuTestingDay/20081110 * heno fires up his Hardy box to test a few SRUs * sbeattie is starting to poke at SRU bug 288479 #ubuntu-testing 2008-11-11 <ara_> morning all :) <maritess> good morning <ara_> morning maritess <maritess> hi ara, I was trying to follow test ffox security updates <maritess> have only updated hardy so far <maritess> stuck at this point. not sure what I should be doing <maritess> where are the test plans placed? * ara_ takes a break * ara_ -> lunch #ubuntu-testing 2008-11-12 <ara> morning all :-) * ara takes a break <mattycoze> anyone tested out scibuntu? <ara> mattycoze: not me <ara> mattycoze: have you found something? <mattycoze> ahh i dunno if i'm in the right room to be asking this - no bug reports or anything, just general advice about programs suitable for scientific application * ara -> lunch * ara -> doesn't believe she finished tracking the ids of Ubuntu Desktop testcases of the new wiki #ubuntu-testing 2008-11-13 <espacious> hi i have problems setting up my TEW424UB v.2 with latest ndis and latest ubuntu <ara> morning all :-) * ara -> lunch #ubuntu-testing 2008-11-14 <nagappan> any clues, when I try to join IRC from pidgin, it crashes in Ubuntu 8.10 ? <nagappan> is this a known issue ? * persia tests <persia> nagappan, I'd recommend reporting a bug, either with ubuntu-bug or by enabling apport. Sounds like there's something special going on, rather than it being widespread. <nagappan> persia, ok <nagappan> persia, actually my system was upgrade from Ubuntu 7.10->8.04->8.10 now :D <nagappan> persia, after every release <persia> Mine is only 8.04 -> 8.10. Dunno if that makes a difference. <ara> morning! * ara takes a break <cgregan> stgraber: ping <stgraber> cgregan: pong <cgregan> stgraber: I was wondering what languages ISO Tracker was written in so I could hire some people with those skills to help out. <cgregan> s/help out/help you out <cgregan> stgraber: unless you want to move to Lexington! ;-) <stgraber> cgregan: hehe, I'm not that far from Lexington actually (Quebec) :) but I'm fine with my current job :). The ISO tracker is PHP using Drupal <cgregan> stgraber: Thanks....I'll see what I can do #ubuntu-testing 2008-11-15 <markginter31> is this a good place to ask questions about laptops suspending and resuming? <persia> Not especially. It's a good place to ask for help in reporting that a specific laptop has issues suspending and resuming with a specific default image or install, and get guidance to file a bug. <markginter31> I would like to do just such a thing :) what files/info is needed? <persia> Unfortunately, I'm not a good person to answer that :) <persia> I think it's make, model, /var/log/dmesg, output of lspci -vvnn, output of lsusb -b (with no external devices), and a clear description of the results of attempts to suspend/hibernate or restore from either state. <persia> If nobody else gives better advice, I'd start with that. <markginter31> persia - excusing my ignorance -- do I post that here? <persia> markginter31, No, you'll want to file a bug on launchpad. * persia asks for more guidance <markginter31> persia -- ok. I think I already have an account there. It's frustrating because OpenSuse 11.1 beta5 suspends/resumes flawlessly -- but Ubuntu doesn't have the s2ram command which seems to be the only one that works on my laptop... <persia> According to the folks in #ubuntu-bugs, "linux" might be a good package choice, so you'd want https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+filebug <markginter31> wow - fast - thanks <persia> There's probably some way to get s2ram working, but best is to report precisely which version of ubuntu, and the details about the problem to the bug. <persia> I don't know that s2ram is the right solution: although it may work, I suspect the right answer is to have one tool that works for everyone. <markginter31> persia - I assume that Fedora/SuSE/Ubuntu all use different tools to suspend? <persia> I actually don't know. I think there are a variety of competing methods on the net, and it may be that different distributions select the same tool or different ones. <ottoshmidt> A4Tech Webcam doesn't work properly on 8.10, it did on 8.04 :(((( <persia> ottoshmidt, Report a bug against libv4l with detailed information about the Webcam, and tag it "regression". <ottoshmidt> never done it before, dunno how :(( <markginter31> ottoshmidt -- go to launchpad -- open an account -- file the bug (it steps you through) and done! :) <ottoshmidt> ok I'll try #ubuntu-testing 2008-11-17 <stgraber> bug 274340 #ubuntu-testing 2008-11-18 <bdmurray> How can I find ideas on brainstorm related to QA? <nand> bdmurray: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/search?tags=qa&ordering=mostvotes <nand> bdmurray: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/search?tags=QA&ordering=mostvotes <nand> please note the case sensitiveness... * nand grumbles at the update taking so long <nand> and also note that lots of QA ideas are not tagged <bdmurray> nand: Is there a list of tags somewhere? <nand> No. That's something I should do * nand has been waiting 2 months for the update so far #ubuntu-testing 2008-11-21 <davmor2> Morning all #ubuntu-testing 2008-11-24 <ara> morning all :-) <ara> morning mvo :) <mvo> hey ara, good morning :) <mvo> does someone has a gutsy machine available for testing that is capable of running compiz? #ubuntu-testing 2008-11-25 <ara> morning all * ara takes a break * ara -> lunch <davmor2> ara: is the wiki down? <ara> yes, apparently <ara> schwuk: testcases.qa.ubuntu.com is down, can you please have a look? <schwuk> ara: no it's not <schwuk> (and I didn't do anything) <davmor2> schwuk: still nothing here <ara> schwuk: is the 443 (https) that it is not working <ara> davmor2: accessing trough http works <davmor2> ara: Yeap :) <schwuk> ara, davmor2: ah <schwuk> davmor2: I didn't know that it was ever on https <davmor2> :) <bdmurray> stgraber: are the specs iso-testing-jaunty and qa-jaunty-isotracker duplicates? <bdmurray> Ah, one is obsolete. I'm good now. #ubuntu-testing 2008-11-26 <ara> morning all :-) * ara -> lunch * ara -> reboots <ara> cr3: morning :-) <cr3> ara: hiya! <ara> cr3: how are you doing? <cr3> ara: all good, working on some exciting stuff <cr3> ara: and you, how's desktop testing coming along? <ara> cr3: all good, we will need to discuss at uds about hte gnome participation, but so far so good <ara> about that, how did you start ldtp + at-spi-registry to be more reliable? <ara> I cannot remember <ara> cr3 ^ <cr3> ara: do you have all tests closing windows now? and can the test suite be run multiple times in a row, there was a problem with some applications which have forms to complete when first opened <cr3> ara: are you having reliability issues when running it as yourself? the concern I worked on was mostly when running it as root on behalf of another user <ara> cr3: yes, sometimes ldtp server just fails. good news is that nagappan is moving ldtp core from C to Python. wohoo! <cr3> ara: might it be too late to start such a migration from C to Python considering Strongwind is starting to get noticed by Gnome <ara> cr3: well, strongwind is in a very early stage. Maybe they could join both projects <cr3> ara: that would sound like a win, instead of scattering resources. it's not as if they seem that different anyways, it's just a layer over at-spi <ara> cr3: yes, definitely <nagappan> hi cr3 <cr3> nagappan: hi there! <cr3> nagappan: ara tells me you're thinking of rewriting the C parts of ldtp to Python <nagappan> cr3, I have already done the recording part, currently doing the execution engine <nagappan> cr3, have sent email <nagappan> cr3, to you and other GNOME guys <nagappan> cr3, requesting your inputs <cr3> nagappan: nice! how do you feel about strongwind in respect to ldtp? <nagappan> cr3, StrongWind, doesn't have many ready made API as LDTP, just my opinion :) LDTP is easy for QA engineers and StrongWind will be easy for developers to extend the framework <cr3> nagappan: my concern is that it seems like a duplication of effort and, if ldtp has many ready many API, that could be useful for developers as well <cr3> nagappan: is strongwind a project that was initiated by gnome or someone else? <nagappan> cr3, by Medsphere <cr3> nagappan: sounds corporate, so I still don't quite understand the motivation for choosing strongwind over ldtp :( <nagappan> cr3, :) <nagappan> cr3, currently LDTP being used by VMware, Palm Source, ofcourse Ubuntu, Evolution project, soon there will be announcement from European Union <nagappan> cr3, http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/ldtp-dev/2008-June/000625.html <nagappan> cr3, some work is going on, which I can't share now much <cr3> nagappan: and it's been used by Novell for a long time <nagappan> cr3, yes <cr3> nagappan: the list goes on, which begs the question even more why to choose something else :( <nagappan> cr3, I don't know from where StrongWind suddenly came, I don't see much activity, apart from some one speaking <nagappan> cr3, anyways I don't want to speak much on public channel about other tools <nagappan> cr3, I can share a doc, which my manager created before moving from Dogtail to LDTP for VMware Workstation testing <cr3> nagappan: I understand, but this should also be of public concern how we're suddenly scattering resources which breaks my heart :( <nagappan> cr3, I can give data from my side, about LDTP <cr3> nagappan: might you happen to know if there's any form of compatibility between ldtp and strongwind so that tests can potentially be shared between the two projects? <nagappan> cr3, as of now there is no, probably we can look into it <cr3> nagappan: will you be at fosscamp and/or uds? <nagappan> cr3, I will attend the Ubuntu conf in Mountain View, this year end <nagappan> cr3, ara has invited me :) <cr3> nagappan: she rocks! <nagappan> cr3, BTW did you got the other email from me ? <nagappan> cr3, 2 emails <cr3> nagappan: the one about enlarging my manhood? seriously, I received both of 'em :) <nagappan> cr3, cool <nagappan> cr3, need your valuable inputs <cr3> nagappan: I'm not sure I understand: Let us work on the application level common things together. Could you please provide us info on how to go about ? <nagappan> cr3, I mean, the applications are common for all the distribution #ubuntu-testing 2008-11-27 <ara> morning all :-) #ubuntu-testing 2008-11-28 <ara> morning all :-) <davmor2> Good Morning all :) <ara> hey davmor2, how are you doing? <davmor2> Fine Thanks, how's things? <davmor2> ara: No heno at wednesday's meeting? <ara> davmor2: he is on holidays this week <davmor2> Ah :) <davmor2> Just running through the notes got back to late to join in <ara> davmor2: are you coming to the uds? #ubuntu-testing 2009-11-03 <davmor2> Yay my old bluetooth dongle work under karmic again :) * ara -> lunch <davmor2> Morning Oh fader_ one <fader_> Howdy, davmor2.4 * davmor2 slaps fader_ <fader_> :'( <davmor2> fader_: fixed empathy I switched off auto-connect <davmor2> now I can have as many windows open as I want <fader_> Huh, and that was the problem? <fader_> Weird. <davmor2> fader_: it would only open 11 tabs but it open the other and didn't display them so you were stuffed <fader_> Hmm <fader_> I've noticed some weirdness with its tab handling also... e.g. it doesn't open a tab when a message is received, only when I click on the notification applet. OTOH, sometimes it would randomly open a tab when someone logged in but didn't send me a message. <davmor2> :D <davmor2> fader_: and of course you're reporting these bugs to make the user experience better in lucid right ;) /me runs away <davmor2> off for lunch ttyl <moustafa> Goooood moorrning 'buntu! <davmor2> moustafa: You sound far to happy don't worry though we'll have cr3 beat that out of you ;) <moustafa> davmor2: I wish him luck for that! <fader_> moustafa: davmor2 and cr3 did it to me. I used to be happy, once. <fader_> :'( <davmor2> fader_: I thought it was having to be responsible did that to you, we just didn't help :P <cr3> fader_: was is the whips or the chains that did it for you? <fader_> Heh <davmor2> cr3: that just got him excited ;) <cr3> davmor2: I once saw a bumper sticker that read: sticks and stones will break my bones, but whips and chains excite me. <cr3> I almost had to stop on the side of the road because I was laughing too much <davmor2> lmao <moustafa> cr3: 1: Was there a woman inside? 2: If the answer was yes: Did you get the liscence plate on that car? <cr3> moustafa: it was a pickup truck, do you still want to know the answer? <moustafa> cr3: I'm not quite sure how I want to answer that :p <moustafa> cr3: There are hot cowgirls in texas that ride in pickup trucks <moustafa> cr3: Buuuut, we're in Montreal, and the closest thing to a woman in a pickup truck we can get is a butch or worse <cr3> moustafa: I've never been to texas, this happened on home turf <davmor2> moustafa: You might want to watch that remember public recorded channel and ladies present (fader_ close your eyes your too young to see this) <moustafa> davmor2: Duly noted <moustafa> davmor2: But if that's the case, then why is everyone speaking of getting excited with whips and chains? <moustafa> Also, kids these days don't much use IRC <fader_> moustafa: It's mostly related to the "POOR IMPULSE CONTROL" tattoo that cr3 has on his forehead ;) <moustafa> fader_: HE HAS A TATOO? (yes, the caps are very much implied) <cr3> I think there's a distinction between offending everyone and just offending a segment of the population. for some weird social reason, the former is more acceptable than the latter <moustafa> cr3: That's because the impact zone is spread around, rather than concentrated on one area. It's like being stepped on the face with a boot, or high heel shoes. Both hurt, but only one really gets painful. <cr3> personally, if I were excluded from an offense, I would feel offended <davmor2> moustafa: the fact you know that makes me wonder what cr3 wears on his feet to work ;) <moustafa> davmor2: Nothing I can mention on a public channel <davmor2> moustafa: now you're getting it ;) <moustafa> cr3: could you give this bug a look? In case I missed something https://bugs.launchpad.net/checkbox/+bug/472743 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 472743 in checkbox "checkbox skips certain tests / does not return to defaults" [Undecided,New] <davmor2> mother-in-law is in a bad way need to go to hospital now <cr3> moustafa: can't look at that one today, sorry <moustafa> no probs <moustafa> Well, everyone, I uploaded a pic of me on Launchpad. Now all of you can bask in my horrendous glory! <possiventura> hello <moustafa> brb * ara changed the topic of #ubuntu-testing to: Testing of Ubuntu | We are starting the Lucid Lynx development cycle | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule <fuller9box> hi <moustafa> Hello <fuller9box> hello moustafa <moustafa> hello fuller9box. As you can see, there's not much going on here at the moment <fuller9box> can you help me decide what to do pls? <moustafa> I'll see what I can do <moustafa> fuller9box: what do you need help with? <fuller9box> i would like to do some testing of Lucid - but being new(ish) 2 ubuntu have not yet done setting up 9.10 (for myself) <moustafa> Lucid's currently in the planning stages, so testing of Lucid won't happen yet <fuller9box> i i have a laptop on which is now running 9.10 - i have some spare hd space that i could devote to testing <fuller9box> but 9.10 is not running for me as smooth as 9,04 did <moustafa> what's your laptop's configuration? <moustafa> Also: what do you mean by "not as smooth?" <fuller9box> dell latt d610 8gb / 1.5gb ram 1.5gb swap 60gb data 9 <fuller9box> 60gb data (/home) rest i could devote to lucid ( using my present data) <fuller9box> compiz, strea,tuner rhythmbox giving kernel oops <moustafa> Like I said, Lucid's still in planning stages. First Alpha's in December (December 10th, to be specific) <fuller9box> i like things like randon login screens <fuller9box> ok gives me time to sort out! <moustafa> Have you filed a bug report for your kernel oops? <fuller9box> y but still feeling my way around so dont know exact progress <fuller9box> sent this 1 earlier WARNING: at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.31/mm/page_alloc.c:1751 __alloc_pages_slowpath+0x459/0x480() <moustafa> fuller9box: I can't seem to find what the error might be. I suggest you look on the forums to see if there's any similar issues occurring. <fuller9box> Hey - thanks 4 looking - not sure myself if there is a *fault* or i may not have correctly configured things on this end <moustafa> Worse case scenario, a re-install might solve the issues <moustafa> Else, look if you have activated the backports sources, and see if you have any non-free drivers installed. <fuller9box> will try that as last resort - but i still have 90.4 on another root part that i can use through grub <fuller9box> non free (1) for bcm wireless card - that's all <moustafa> If it was working before installing the driver, maybe removing it could help sort some issues <moustafa> Can't guarantee it, thought <moustafa> *though <fuller9box> your telling me that testing starts in dec - gives me some time to fix - and learn some more - thanks for looking - appreciated <moustafa> First Alpha in December. No probs, that's what the community's here for ;) <fuller9box> i will try to have this fixed and pimped - ready to help out if i can! <fuller9box> lol <moustafa> Awesome :) <fuller9box> dropping heavy hints here on the home front for a dual core that has kvm - for virtualisation = more testing <moustafa> cr3, fader_: good evening, see you guys tomorrow <fader_> moustafa: Adios! #ubuntu-testing 2009-11-04 <davmor2> morning all <davmor2> ara: I hope you filed a bug on evolution being slow as wading through treacle? <ara> davmor2, it is a known issue ;-) <davmor2> heh <slangasek> ara: any luck with zsync? <ara> slangasek, sorry, I had forgotten. I will try overnight tonight and will let you know tomorrow <ara> slangasek, is that ok? <slangasek> that's fine :) <davmor2> slangasek: zsync is working again now which is good news it was timing out till this morning <davmor2> anyone would think there had been a release or something <slangasek> davmor2: I'm referring to getting zsync LFS support working on i386 <davmor2> slangasek: I know but it wouldn't of worked till today anyway :D <slangasek> heh * davmor2 -> lunch <davmor2> fader_: Morning hows things stateside? <fader_> davmor2: Sleepy and nippy. How 'bout on your side of the pond? <davmor2> fader_: You know grey and wet <fader_> davmor2: My kind of weather. That's the sort where nobody expects you to go out and do anything in the Big Room. <davmor2> What like Lug Radio Live <davmor2> Ubuntu Release Parties and the like? <fader_> davmor2: I thought those things all took place online? They're run by AIs and spambots, right? <davmor2> HA! <moustafa> good morning fader_ , morning cr3 <davmor2> morning moustafa <moustafa> where are my manners? good morning davmor2 <davmor2> hey cr3 morning coffee'd up yet? <fader_> moustafa: Saluton! <moustafa> fader_: Splish splash! <cr3> davmor2: almost, what's up? <davmor2> just sayin' hello <cr3> davmor2: ah, thought you were waiting for me to have my brain in place before asking a real manly question <davmor2> cr3: No sorry to disappoint <davmor2> I can make a random question up if it will help? <moustafa> Here's one: What's the official stance on Kubuntu Karmic Koala? <moustafa> I don't use it, but I can see the Fox News network making a fuss * fader_ . o O ( fox news? ) <cr3> moustafa: I think the "arc of triomph" is my (kama sutra) position for karmic, what do you mean by "position"? <cr3> moustafa: officially, I think kubuntu is still supported in the same way as ubuntu <moustafa> fader_ : You know. The crazies that go around posting non-information to the masses. <davmor2> moustafa: yeah you need to stop doing that now you're an intern here thought right ;) <moustafa> cr3: It's somewhat of a satirical joke, relating to how Kubuntu Karmic can be abbreviated as KKK <moustafa> davmor2: I keep forgetting. The atmosphere's so relaxed I forget that we're supposed to be clothed in front of people <moustafa> ...did I just make a faux pas? <davmor2> no, no just remember it's cold outside :P <moustafa> davmor2: of course it is. That's why I disrobe when I step inside. The people in the elevator don't seem to mind. <davmor2> cr3: is moustafa in whipping distance if so please do he deserves it ;) <cr3> davmor2: dude, when he's in the buff, I don't get anywhere near him <davmor2> marjo: morning, I can't reproduce the grub issue on i386 at all I've install on all my hardware and upgraded. <moustafa> I hope you all realize that I was *this* close to a very disturbing futurama quote <marjo> davmor2: ok, thx for helping out <davmor2> marjo: only issue I did have infact was no audio on one but that is because pulse detected the hdmi output and once I'd told pulse what audio to use it was fine <marjo> davmor2: have you reported results to pitti? <davmor2> no but I can do <marjo> davmor2: thx! he'll appreciate it <cr3> moustafa: join #ubuntu-meeting, we meet once a week online with the community for a QA overview * moustafa is going for lunch now #ubuntu-testing 2009-11-05 <ara> good morning all! <ara> slangasek, zsync is now over 2GB with no issues :-) <ara> slangasek, is there a SRU report I can comment <ara> ? <slangasek> ara: yay - it's not proceeded to SRU yet, let me fix up the bug state and get it into the queue <slangasek> ara: "over 2GB" - and confirmed to have downloaded correctly? Or just "past 2GB and hasn't given up yet"? <slangasek> ara: bug #412413 <ubot4> slangasek: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out <slangasek> and... maintenance window. :) <davmor2> Morning All <ara> morning davmor2 <ara> slangasek, 80%, will let you know when it finishes <slangasek> ok, thaknks <slangasek> hmm <slangasek> thanks <slangasek> :) <ara> slangasek, download complete. md5sum correct :-) <slangasek> whoohoo <davmor2> :D <slangasek> ara: bug #412413 (LP is back) <ubot4> Launchpad bug 412413 in zsync "zsync 32bit cannot download DVD" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/412413 <TheFunkbomb> good morning <TheFunkbomb> I am wondering if I can get some info on Lucid testing <TheFunkbomb> basically, I am unhappy with all the hate 9.10 has gotten. :( I want to beta test Lucid to help stop this bad publicity. I'm willing to use a vm for the first few betas and then maybe even donate a partition to the project. <TheFunkbomb> is there a form I fill out? Anything special I need to do? <slangasek> TheFunkbomb: we will happily take more testing help; please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing for the quick-start guide <TheFunkbomb> slangasek, thanks <TheFunkbomb> I have to tell you that I manage to get around Ubuntu alright but I'm not a power user. <slangasek> You just missed a presentation from ara during OpenWeek, about the ISO testing tracker; you might find it interesting to look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekKarmic/TestISOs <TheFunkbomb> slangasek, I'm logging the openweek channel <slangasek> ok then :) <TheFunkbomb> my puppy has been sick so I haven't been around <TheFunkbomb> They really need to set the channel to drop join quits and parts <slangasek> I will observe, though, that while we are always happy for more testing, I think the right response to the bad publicity is actually better publicity, not better testing... we do take complaints about the quality of releases seriously, but the media coverage seems somewhat disproportionate to the severity of the issues :) <TheFunkbomb> I agree. People aren't going to post on the forums unless they have an issue. <TheFunkbomb> it makes no sense to have thousands of "Ubuntu is working perfectly but I just needed to use up bandwidth" posts <TheFunkbomb> good morning <davmor2> TheFunkbomb: Morning <TheFunkbomb> how are you today/ <davmor2> busy <davmor2> ara_: do you use virt-manager at all? <ara_> davmor2, I use virtualbox <ara_> I don't know why kvm is very slow for me. I will ask people about this during uds <davmor2> it's okay realised what I hadn't done * ara -> lunch <davmor2> fader_: Morning Dude <fader_> davmor2, howdy <fader_> How goes it? <davmor2> it goes up and down like a rollercoaster :D <davmor2> need to restart biab #ubuntu-testing 2009-11-06 <ara> good morning all :) <davmor2> Morning All <sbeattie> moin ara, davmor2 <ara> morning davmor2, sbeattie <ara> sbeattie, go to bed ;-) <sbeattie> hehe <davmor2> evening sbeattie <davmor2> morning ara <davmor2> oi fader|away hello /me -> lunch <davmor2> fader_, cr3: Morning <fader_> davmor2: Hey dude <davmor2> fader_: wasn't that a beatles song ;) <fader_> davmor2: I don't know... I didn't study a lot of classical music in history class. <fader_> ;) <davmor2> Harsh you're not that much younger than me :P <davmor2> charlie-tca: how's things dude? <charlie-tca> Getting better <charlie-tca> Thanks <charlie-tca> Got a do an OpenWeek session in 50 minutes <davmor2> cool <charlie-tca> yeah, then I get to relax for a week? <davmor2> :D <cr3> davmor2: yo mama, I don't think that was a song <davmor2> cr3: it was hey Jude it was meant to be a pure comedy moments but fader_ got it wrong as usual ;) <moustafa1> morning fader_, davmor2 <davmor2> moustafa1: Morning <fader_> moustafa1: Howdy <stgraber> cr3: hey ! <stgraber> cr3: I was wondering, what flight are you on for UDS ? <cr3> stgraber: DELTA 4149 <stgraber> cr3: ok, was wondering if you were on the same flight as Etienne and I but that's not the case * fader_ is on Oceanic Air flight 815. <fader_> Er, wait a sec... <fader_> cr3, moustafaC: baguette! http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2009-11/bread-loving-bird-shuts-down-lhc <fader_> hon hon hon <davmor2> fader_: way behind with that one dude :P <moustafaC> This deserves a roflcopter! <fader_> davmor2: You need to go find "foux da fa fa" on YouTube :) <moustafaC> I take it you guys heard that China beat the LHC in creating a miniature black hole? <fader_> moustafaC: Indeed? <moustafaC> http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2009-10/black-hole-fits-your-pocket <moustafaC> I actually read it first on the escapist, but it's pretty much there <moustafaC> This might be more informative: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/10/desktop-black-hole/ <fader_> Neat. We should throw davmor2 in one of those next time he complains about wubi. <fader_> (Which should be any second now, judging by history ;) ) <moustafaC> I say we should have two and try and re-create Portal <cr3> jcollado: hey dude, I just noticed your responses to my merge proposal. what have you noticed is the difference between option.capitalize() and (option[0].upper()+option[1:])? <cr3> jcollado: nevermind, you described the difference quite clearly in your review, I just didn't notice it. thanks man! <davmor2> cr3: when was your last eye test dude? <cr3> davmor2: seriously, over 10 years ago <davmor2> cr3: might be time for an update dude ;) <moustafaC> Yeah, X.org is so passÃ© <southwind> i wish to contibute my service to ubuntu community as tester pls tell me how #ubuntu-testing 2009-11-07 <slangasek> sbeattie: bug #412413> I'm confused - zsync outright /aborts/ at 5% when trying to download the full ISO? <ubot4> Launchpad bug 412413 in zsync "zsync 32bit cannot download DVD" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/412413 <sbeattie> slangasek: that's correct <slangasek> hmm, so that should be comparatively quick to reproduce here <slangasek> will give that a try, thansk <sbeattie> You'll need an image larger than 4GB I suspect, based on ara's report. <sbeattie> 'zsyncmake [image-name].iso' will DTRT for creating zsync metadata locally. <slangasek> the existing ubuntu DVD zsync files should do the job, right? <sbeattie> yeah <i_is_broke> when will they open up the ubuntu+1 channel for lucid>? <slangasek> sbeattie: hmm, I'm zstrickland@example.net% on my zsync download, and am not seeing an abort <slangasek> I chose -amd64 instead of -i386; maybe I should try the other <sbeattie> slangasek: again, what size is it? Is it larger than 2^^32? <slangasek> well, the amd64 DVD is larger than the i386 one <slangasek> but /neither/ appears to exceed 2^32... ? <slangasek> (854)847-3108, (854)847-3108 - << 4294967296 <slangasek> oh, you used 9.04 <slangasek> doh <slangasek> ok, fixing my test <sbeattie> hunh, not sure how we did it, but it looks we kept all karmic dvds under 4GB. <slangasek> probably due to the language-support changes, I think <slangasek> there, reproduced the failure now <xivulon> Hi we will be updating the version of wubi to 170 <xivulon> could you please test http://people.canonical.com/~evand/wubi/karmic/wubi-r170.exe <xivulon> If it does not work please submit a bug report in lp #ubuntu-testing 2009-11-09 <ara> morning all <davmor2> Morning All * ara -> lunch * davmor2 -> lunch * fader_ grumbles about forgetting to set his nick manually. <ara> morning fader_ <fader_> ara: Howdy! How was your weekend? <ara> fader_, good, thanks! I went to my mom's, to visit her before going to dallas <ara> fader_, what about yours? <fader_> ara: Pretty decent. I am finally starting to feel recovered from the release :) <ara> fader_, :) <ara> hey jsalisbury <jsalisbury> ara: hello <moustafa> fader_ Baguette! <fader_> moustafa: Jacques Cousteau! <moustafa> fader_ Hon! Hon! <davmor2> Morning fader_ you muppet <davmor2> morning moustafa * moustafa imagined fader_ running around like Kermit <moustafa> morning davmor2 <fader_> davmor2: Hey, how's life? <davmor2> moustafa: I was thinking more of him being hit by miss piggy ;) <moustafa> davmor2: So, we are in agreement that fader_ is Kermit% <davmor2> fader_: Sound as a pound, MIL is still in hospital, bird hates it's new cage life is great ;) <davmor2> moustafa: baggiesy animal <fader_> Heh, could be worse I guess <davmor2> fader_: yeah could be sound as a Candian dollar then I'd be shit out of luck ;) <cr3> ara: hi there, regarding your uds schedule email, how can I determine if you might be missing anything? <ara> cr3, go to http://summit.ubuntu.com and check the schedule :-) <davmor2> cr3: morning, use the force luke <fader_> davmor2: Ooh, low blow. You realize you're outnumbered by North Americans at the moment, right? (Only the US gets to pick on Canada. Against everybody else we present a united front ;) ) <ara> cr3, but I didn't find any lucid-qa-checkbox... kind of blueprint <ara> cr3, well, only one by sbeattie <fader_> ara: I know marjo and I discussed some checkbox-related topics but decided they didn't warrant a session of their own <moustafa> fader_ I was gonna say something about how you still have some recovering to do after the past eight years or so, but then I remembered that we're stuck with "W lite" as Prime Minister here... <fader_> ara: If there's enough interest maybe we should have a general checkbox session and lump all the smaller things into it? <davmor2> fader_: I'm in the 51st state :P <fader_> moustafa: :) <fader_> davmor2: You're not in Canada! <moustafa> davmor2: Alaskawahii? <davmor2> 51st not 52nd <ara> fader_, it sounds right <cr3> ara: glad you ask, I actually finished creating my blueprints late on Friday. I have a couple checkbox related ones, enhancements and reliability plus desktop experience tests <ara> cr3, can you pass me the urls, please? :) <cr3> ara: I don't think the first one warrants a session whereas I'm hoping the second one will hijack the desktop experience track <cr3> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/checkbox/+spec/lucid-qa-checkbox-desktop-experience-tests <cr3> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/checkbox/+spec/lucid-qa-checkbox-enhancements-and-reliability <ara> cr3, thanks <cr3> Robbie has also shown interest in the desktop experience session, but I think he'll survive if we have it as part of the desktop experience track <cr3> ara: by the way, is the blueprint lucid-qa-cert-managing-projects scheduled? I think that should be a closed session <ara> cr3, it is not yet, I had only scheduled those in ubuntu project <ara> cr3, I will schedule it as private <cr3> cgregan: ping, will you be attending UDS? if so, the above session is for you :) <cgregan> cr3: I will be attending.....so....cool! <cgregan> cr3: I have a wiki....to edit! <cgregan> :-) <davmor2> fader_: I forgot to ask did you persist with you KNE experiment or head back to the safety of gnome? <fader_> davmor2: Yeah, went back to GNOME :/ <davmor2> BGB <fader_> For some reason jockey didn't work right in KNE so I never had wifi <fader_> And KNE still needs a bit of polish in areas <davmor2> fader_: A bit? <fader_> davmor2: It has some interesting ideas, but still felt a bit disjoint <davmor2> Very True :) <davmor2> cr3: what have you done with moustafa you're not meant to flog till he can't type you know ;) <cr3> davmor2: still working out his limitations <davmor2> :D <davmor2> Right I'm off ttyl's <moustafa> cr3, davmor2, fader_ : Good evening all! <fader_> moustafa: nighty night! <moustafa> Oh, before I leave: Baguette stops the LHC! http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/95971-Baguette-Shuts-Down-Large-Hadron-Collider #ubuntu-testing 2009-11-10 <ara> good morning all! <davmor2> Morning All <ara> morning davmor2 <davmor2> Hey ara why don't you like evolution? <ara> because it is sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow <davmor2> ara: initial start up isn't speedy but it's fine for me for the rest of the day, me wonders how many more mails a day you must get :D <ara> filtering and moving messages around is what is slow <ara> for me, at least <davmor2> Most of my mail is filtered I get about 20 or so a day actually stay in my in box. Maybe it's just me but I can't get on with TB I try it from time to time and you think it should be good but it always feels like it's in a browser :( <czajkowski> does anyone need a google wave ac? <davmor2> nope <davmor2> czajkowski: why? <czajkowski> davmor2: as I've a chunk to give away again <czajkowski> and thought folks may want them <ara> czajkowski, I would like to try it <ara> czajkowski, so if you still have an invitation, I could use on <czajkowski> ara: @gmail.com address so and I'll fire you and invite over * czajkowski has 30 to give away <ara> czajkowski, apulido <czajkowski> and figure ubuntu folks may use them @ UDS <czajkowski> ara: sent can take up to a day or
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