@hotspice58 posted a new topic, subject "Wow, Brooke". It read: For Brooke to say the nightmare is over when it's just starting for Steffy proves she doesn't care about Ridge's kids. So @JaSamG4L replied I agree. While Brooke did acknowledge that this will be very hard for Steffy, she really only cares about Hope so ultimately, Steffy's feelings are inconsequential to her. After which, @ladyviola added I think she cares, but hasn't processed the extent of the loss for Steffy. Steffy will still have Beth in her life as her niece and Kelly's cousin, she stll has Kelly, and she is a successful CEO. It's not as tho' someone told Steffy Phoebe died. and she would never see her again. Phoebe is not dead…she's alive and will be in Steffy's life. Yes, it is a loss…but not the nightmare of a dead child. She and Ridge are bound to help each other gain perspective on each other's children. Wonder if Ridge will ever be abke ti see Thomas's guilt in all of this??? After which, @alana9 added Steffy is Brooke's stepdaughter not just her daughter's competition when it comes to Liam but of course Brooke only cares about her kids. @JaSamG4L replied I respectfully disagree. One child does not replace the loss of another and while the child is not dead, that mother daughter relationship is. That is a significant loss imo. Personally, I don't think Brooke truly cares. She feigns caring for Ridge's benefit but the truth is Brooke really doesn't care about Steffy and she never has. As for Ridge, I can see him keeping the crime under wraps to protect Thomas but I hope he doesn't because they all need to pay and he needs to get his son help. Plus, it's not really Ridges's place to say whether charges are pressed or not. After which, @lapue added Today Brooke didn't show compassion for Steffy if she had raised Taylor's daughter all this time she would be doing loops to have Taylor no where around until dna was done. yes Hope want to take Beth home but as Steffy said she knows no other place. Hope will need Steffy to make Beth translation for her. So @Fookarie replied Brooke was absolutley disgusting today. I hated her more. She ran to hope spouting a bunch of insensitive nonsense. Then she had the unmitigated gall to show shock that Steffy did not want to just hand over her baby to Hope. Then @RobynH said She never has! Hopefully Ridge will see this and leave her dirty azz! Then Katie can deal with her because will turn to Bill next! After which, @Boatchick222 added Brooke only cares about Hope, period. She's already trying to put most of the fault in Thomas' lap. Ive said this a million times, this entire thing was handled poorly. They should have had a therapist there to navigate this. How could Hope, Liam and Brooke think Steffy would say, “oops, my bad. Heres your baby back?” I knew the true Brooke would come out! After which, @Fookarie added Agreed. Brooke probably thought it would be easy because she is not robertbrown@example.net. Remember Jack? Her bio son with Nick? Because she obviously does not. After which, @mscheryl557 added Seems to me Ridge has never really cared for Hope either. So @loveridge replied Yes that was insensitive After which, @Taoscat added Brooke's only concern today was about herself and Hope. She could have cared less about Steffy. When she raised her voice to Steffy in, Steffy's home, Ridge should have taken her arm and put her in the car to leave. How dare she treat Steffy that way. To which @JonYgritteDany replied I really hate Brooke. Always has. She can never be redeemed in my eyes. Always been selfish. Always been ignorant to the feelings of others as long as she gets what she wants. Hate, hate, hate Brooke. After which, @hotspice58 added Stuffy adopted Beth/Phoebe and she's losing her. There is a difference between an aunt and a mother. Brooke could have acknowledged Steffy's loss. So @JaSamG4L replied I haven't seen today's episode yet but I never expect Brooke to treat Steffy with any kind of decency. To which @hotspice58 replied I think Ridg cares a bit more for Hope than Brooke does forbSteffy. @LadyB39 replied True! To which @Michele replied When Brooke “had that look” on her face when Steffy said you can't take my baby said it all. She will drop Ridge and step all over Steffy to be with her dear Hope. Then @SusanDC68 said I understand that Brooke came off kind of harsh for a second or two; but, of course she is supporting her daughter and granddaughter. This is her flesh and blood that she is now finding out is her granddaughter. She missed out on that time as well. Hope and Liam are trying to help figure out a way to make everyone happy; but, that will not happen because of the situation. I do not blame Hope for wanting to take her child home. It is her daughter! Her heart breaks for Steffy, but this is her daughter and as young as Beth is; she will adjust to the change. It is very sad that Steffy and Kelly will be affected as well. It's an unfortunate situation where not everyone can be happy. In time, Steffy will be able to get through this and know it is best for Beth to be with her Mom (Hope). It would be different if Hope didn't care about Beth. Most people who had thought his or her baby had died; would do the exact same thing. I would. Nothing would stop me from taking my child with me. If wanting your child to be happy (with the child she thought she lost) is selfish or self absorbed or whatever; then so be it–I understand Ridge supporting his daughter as well; it is a tough situation; I didn't really see him showing any regard to Hope's feelings either-he wasn't coming up with a solution. Once the dust settles; all will understand this is what is best for Beth: to be with Hope and Liam (whether he is with Steffy or Hope). Things will work out in the end and Steffy can still be a part of Beth's life and see her in some capacity or another. this is jmo. Then @JaSamG4L said Agreed. Ridge cares about Hope, he just cares more about Steffy whereas Brooke only cares about Hope and legit hates Steffy. She's terrible at hiding it too. @Lynn1216 replied Brooke and Ridge both care about the others daughter but only to a certain extent. When all of this first came to light Ridge was adamant that Beth was dead and the baby was Steffy's. He didn't think for a minute how wonderful it would be for the Logan's to have Beth back, he only thought of Steffy. Ridge and Brooke will never put the others daughter ahead of their own. Brooke will feel badly for Steffy, but she will be happy for her daughter , and Ridge will feel happy for Hope but he will continue to wish this was all a big mistake and that the baby wasn't Beth. So @NealJAMP replied Can I ask a dumb question, does Hope have a car seat…a crib…bottles?! Is Steffy pumping breast milk? Just asking, they are rushing to take their child but have they got anything prepared? At least Liam knows Phoebe's routine, but the adults are only thinking about themselves and not about Beth. I would call the cops if these fools left my house with the baby (at this point based on hearsay, Dr. Buckingham has not been interviewed yet) and no method to safely get her anywhere!! And before y'all start please do not pretend like Liam has taken either of those girls anywhere! He ALWAYS visits at Steffy's. And Steffy takes the girls to the doctor etc! Brooke's trifling behind would probably expect Steffy to give Hope her car keys so they can take the baby home! Seriously, though if Beth had been sold to some random family do they think they can stroll into that person's house and take Beth away? As usual they tread on Steffy like only they matter and if it weren't for Steffy you wouldn't know that robertbrown@example.net. Respect that! @Lynn1216 replied Hope has told Steffy that she is grateful for what she has done, but no mother is just going to walk away from the baby that was stolen from them. To which @NealJAMP replied Hi @Lynn1216, I don't say walk away from Beth but some practical considerations would be nice! Plus if it were anyone else (a stranger) they would not be allowed to walk in and take the child without proof. My opinion is that they are taking advantage of their relationship with Steffy. It is just heart breaking - a Lifetime movie basically. Then @hotspice58 said Flesh and blood alone do not make a family. I agree it's a crappy situation…but she doesn't get to take the baby without proof. Steffy needs to call Carter. After which, @monalisa2 added Right. And to watch as they lowered her “child” into the ground only to find out it weren't her child who die. How Could anyone ask Hope to loose her child yet again? Then @Lynn1216 said It is heartbreaking for Steffy . They can't see it right now but they are all very lucky the baby wasn't given to strangers and Steffy is very lucky the biological parents are Hope and Liam. If Lope's baby was bought by strangers they would have to call the cops and she would be in foster care , they would also have no idea if how she was cared for and they would be strangers to her. Because Liam has been her father and Hope has been auntie Hope the transition will be much easier for her and there won't be cops and foster parents involved. Same goes for Steffy. If she had a strangers baby she would never see her again, and Kelly would lose her sister. Right now though, none of them can see any of that or that they can come together and heal, emotions are just too high. @teeanyone replied Brooks has never cared about Ridges kids if so she wouldn't have gone after him while he was with Steffys mother. @NealJAMP replied Good point @Lynn1216 I am really stuck on the car seat though!! Crib, bottles, etc you can grab quickly. But you literally cannot leave the house without a baby car seat! Especially not in a huff like they are trying to do right now. A transition usually involves a hand off of the child, car seat, diapers, baby things (favorite blanket or toy), and a proper good bye. That could not have been expected though. Oh well. Comic relief would have been Liam walking back in the house 5 seconds after they leave and ask Steffy crumpled in her father's arms, 'Hey…uh, Steffy I was wondering if I…uh… can get your keys? We need a cat seat…and since you won't need it anymore…" Best and worse line scene ever! Especially if Steffy took that portait and smashed Liam over the head with it like another poster suggested. Have a great weekend, @Lynn1216 always good to debate with you! @Taoscat replied For that matter, WHERE'S RJ? After which, @Taoscat added The reason Liam is always visiting The girls at Steffy's is because he's a freeloader. He doesn't have a job; a house; or clothes based on him wearing that same plaid shirt and tee shirt underneath. Lol So @JaSamG4L replied I can't say Brooke even cares about Steffy to an extent. She has never been anything but nasty to Steffy. Even when Hope was complimenting Steffy, Brooke just had to spew her venom. Even when Steffy was in Hope's bedroom to support her and even told her NOT to marry Thomas if she had any doubts and there Brooke was glaring at Steffy with her snake eyes…so no, I definitely can't say Brooke has ever cared for robertbrown@example.net. So @Boatchick222 replied No one is asking that. All we are saying is that Steffy be allowed the same consideration as Hope. Would Hope just hand over a baby to a Steffy if the roles were in reverse? Would Brooke allow Steffy to take the baby away from Hope just like that? A therapist should have been there. Steffy should have be told earlier. She should not have walked in on Hope and Liam having a reunion in HER house. @txwildcat replied Yes. Brooke certainly was disgusting. I couldn't even believe that all she wanted to do was yammer on and on about Thomas while Ridge was practically going out of his mind with worry over Steffy and wanting to get to his daughter. Ridge has two kids in crisis. He cannot do anything about Thomas or what he did, but he can be there for Steffy. Brooke wants Ridge to celebrate with her and that is ridiculous. So @hotspice58 replied Hope doesn't know if that's Beth. She knows another woman was on Catalina… @Castro replied I doubt it @txwildcat replied I also don't believe that Brooke has EVER genuinely cared about robertbrown@example.net. The only time Brooke is even halfway decent to Steffy is when Steffy is doing what Brooke wants her to do. Further, Brooke in no way sees Steffy as a daughter because she actually sees Steffy as competition… for both Ridge's attention and for Liam. Brooke is all about herself and her own and therefore is just not that into empathy. So @Castro replied If that was me and I found out my child was still alive and at my stepsister's house, I'd pick up whatever MY baby would need on the way HOME!!! Sorry, I would whoop Steffy and Ridge's arse if they even thought about reaching for her as I walked out the door! PTSD is no joke and anyone reaching for my kid would feel it. After which, @Castro added And Steffy can't keep the baby because it was an illegal adoption. She really should call Carter, her lawyer, because she's going to need one. To which @Castro replied I'm sure there's an extra car seat with two babies in the house. Either Liam or the babysitter must have a car seat. They can use that one. Then @Bigferboots said Kelly isn't a substitute for the loss of Phoebe. Yes Hope suffered a terrible loss and an injustice. She should be happy to have her daughter back but Steffy not only has to give Kelly back but see her all the time knowing she can't be her mother any more. I can't imagine how painful that's going to be for Steffy. @JonYgritteDany replied I so agree, he does show Hope way more compassion and love than Brooke has ever shown Steffy! @Castro replied To which @Lynn1216 replied can you imagine the look on Steffy's face if he did that. You are right there are logistics like car seats and baby gear that they are not thinking about. Thanks for the laugh , imagining Liam asking for the car seat literally made me laugh out loud. I think he would definitely deserve a slap to the face if that happened. I enjoy debating with you as well, I hope you have a wonderful weekend. Then @JaSamG4L said I could not agree more with every word! Even when Brooke is pretending to be “nicer”, there's still that underlying nastiness. Then @Bigferboots said So true. Brooke could care less about Steffy as long as Steffy and Ridge do what she tells them to do. This extends to Liam as well. Hope and Brooke carry the purse with both of their ***** in them. Then @hotspice58 said But it's not known if the baby is Beth. @catbyte replied Well, Ridge is no bargain either, agreeing with Steffy when she suggested that Hope be “sort of a mother” to her own daughter, and then with his refusal to think anything bad of his psycho son. They deserve each other, IMHO. After which, @ladyviola added I would never claim one child replaces another. But, she still has the child in her life as a miece…can still love her and help celebrate milestones. That is not nothing. After which, @islabonita added Oh Brooke, you did so well yesterday staying calm and trying to process everything. We all knew that wouldn't last. Liam and Hope were doing all that they could to slowly fill Steffy in and let her absorb the shock of Phoebe being Beth, and all you should have done was to keep your yap shut. Steffy was breaking down and you thought that you should needle her with with harsh words and rattle her even more. I wish that Hope, Liam and Ridge would have told her simultaneously to shut the he!! up and sit down or get out. Steffy as distraught as she was, was actually trying to take everything in while her mind, heart and gut feelings were spinning out of control and whipping her around like a hurricane. Why not try and keep the calm? Call a lawyer, call a doctor and mobile lab to do the DNA test? Or help walk Steffy through everything that happened and why they know, or have been told that Phoebe is Beth. Don't make this harder for Hope and Liam by causing Steffy to lash out. Hope and Liam have been through more than enough too, so don't stir the damm drama pot for S/H/L @Castro replied What did we just watch for MONTHS??? Even Reese was sick over taking Hope's baby from her and selling her to Taylor. Then @JaSamG4L said I get what you're saying, I just don't agree lol but that's okay. I think if you have two children and you lose your second child, the pain of that loss is not lessened because you still have your first child. You will of course continue to love and cherish your first child but that has no bearing on the pain you feel with losing your second child. Jmho. @ladyviola replied They acknowledged it. Brooke was no less reasonable than when Ridge tried to suggest leaving her with Steffy. Neither Brooke nor Ridge wants an unhaopy daughter. But, Hope has lost months be made to believe her child was dead. Then @NealJAMP said Valid point @Castro There are 2 of course, one for Kelly and one for Phoebe. So maybe they have 2 extra car seats around the house somewhere that the babysitter uses. But they still need to ask Steffy for them. My point is that Hope does not have one on hand and Liam's moocher behind definitely doesn't have one either! So either they send Brooke to go grab one while they talk to Steffy; steal Steffy's; or ask Steffy for one - hence the awkward conversation between Liam and Steffy! Hehehe really awkward conversation. Sending Brooke to buy a car seat is the best move because she is a jerk and only makes things so much worse for everyone. With LA traffic that would hopefully allow things to calm down. To which @Castro replied LOL, it would be awkward. But I wouldn't be mad if Hope sat her happy but right in that house with Beth in her arms until a car seat arrives, or the cops arrive, whatever the case may be. Give Lope their baby back! Enough is enough. After which, @hotspice58 added There were 2 expectanvmothers. How do we know Beth didn't die?? After which, @ladyviola added Thank you for being respectful. I just know from my own miscarriage and a close friend's 10 year old's death that we clung to our surving children and cherished them as gufts. Yes, we suffered. But, we did feel grateful to at least have these joys in our lives. To which @JaSamG4L replied I am so sorry for your loss and I thank you for sharing your experience, I too have suffered a miscarriage in my past but I appreciate that everyone's experiences are different and we all have different ways of coping. I am glad to hear that your surviving children brought you comfort in such a difficult time. So @xena69 replied Brooke is advocating for her daughter just like Ridge is for his? What else should we expect? If this is Beth why on earth would Steffy think Hope should let her keep her? EVERYONE is in shock and has not had time to process this. I always blame Ridge for everything but I cant here nor can I blame Brooke. Then @Temptress said Brooke is going to blame Steffy, Taylor, and Thomas for this mess, that is caused by her own niece Flo and Doctor B. She going to say Thomas was the one who stopped Flo from telling about Beth. She will say Taylor bought the baby for Steffy, without caring, who this baby belonged to. But Steffy and Taylor did everything according to the law, since Carter and the Judge approved the adoption. I can't wait till they discover Phoebe isn't Beth, after all, and her grandbaby was sold by Dr. B. on the black market. Steffy will eventually get Phoebe back. Then Brooke can go crawl back under her rock. After which, @Timion added The judge has to deem it illegal. The baby name has to be legally chamge. A death certificate already exist for Beth. That has to be indone. There are so many things has to transpire before this is over. I understand how both sides feel. But its really not that simple. Then @Its_Boldie said They don't need proof. Steffy has already accepted that was Beth and the circumstances. That's not the argument. She now wants to dictate to Hope what to do with Hopes child. She doesn't have that right. After which, @1NightOwl2 added Im sure Hope will have no problem taking Phoebe's carseat from Steffy After which, @wonderday added Steffy can call whoever she wants. It won't change a thing. Then @dew_drops said JaSamG4L: > I agree. While Brooke did acknowledge that this will be very hard for Steffy, she really only cares about Hope so ultimately, Steffy's feelings are inconsequential to her. what ever brooks reasons are good or bad she has jump the gun because there are 2 women who have claim to beth. then you have liam who is the father and he too wants her to go home but will he let hope make the stand or will he do what he has always done and play piggy in the middle! then there is thomas there is no way that he will be staying at brooke's home and in someways then there is the big question while legally beth will be left with steffy but can she be trusted not do a runner with the both girls in her emotional state. ridge will have to stay with steffy to give her emotionally support so things clam down in this storm but would i trust him? then there is thomas and as i said it will not be at brooke's. it will be interesting when he and steffy meet again! then there is taylor, have to say it she better stay away but i doubt it, brooke and ridge are dealing with the fall out but taylor will just makes things worst if that is possible! Then @teeanyone said You are so right NealJamp. And these two are going to be parents? Poor child😶 @RynK5366 replied Thank you! I have been saying this since the reveal, the police need to be called! A huge, major crime was committed here. And just because it might inconvenience Hope and Steffy doesn't mean they get to play citizens detectives and decide everything themselves. Beth was declared legally dead, this needs to be changed in the court of law, Phoebe was given a birth certificate, this needs to be changed. Hope can't just declare Phoebe Beth and be on her merry way. I'm in no way saying Steffy should keep Beth, but if things were done the legal way in the beginning I personally feel this would have been an easier transition. @Fookarie replied Oh RJ has been deemed insignificant as he is currently not needed to trap Ridge into Bridge marriage. Trust, if Ridge were to leave that hateful harpy, we will once again hear nagging speeches, bu the harpy herself, on how they need to be together for the childwen. After which, @monalisa2 added First Ridge wanted Hope to give up her husband so his little girl could have a family now he-wants Hope to give up her little girl so Steffy can be happy? What the hell is he thinking? So somehow Hope is just suppose to go on with her life may be with his murdering child abuser and nutty son and be happy after wall has been revesled? This is just too freaking dumb and stupid for me. So @nikkimac replied I agree Brooke walked in and was completely inconsiderate of Steffys grief, however I don't think she's seeing past the fact that her granddaughter is alive and that they've been granted a miracle. Steffy too is not seeing past her own grief of losing Pheobe as she's not denying that it's Beth she just doesn't want to lose her. I get that, I really do, but telling Hope she could be “kind of a mother” to the child she just learned is alive is pretty harsh as well. She's not saying no this is a mistake she's not your daughter, she's saying ok it's your daughter but please let me keep her and you be step mommy. What mother would be willing to do that? I don't fault Steffy for her feelings at all but she's not thinking rationally right now. Liam and Hope have been the only ones shown to look past their own feelings and acknowledge the others which is quite amazing given what they've gone through. Ridge admitted that he's trying to be happy for Hope, but he can't help but to think about what it will do to his daughter. That's a parent's natural reaction to want to protect their sons/ daughters no matter their age. I can't fault Brooke or Ridge just yet cause neither of them have done anything that I wouldn't have done in that situation if it were my daughter. I'd like to think I'd be rational and cool headed but the truth is I'd probably be all over the place busting at the seams with unfiltered emotions. lol Then @Tallyho said Yes.The nightmare isn't over. Hope still needs to deal with her marriage to Thomas. Douglas loses another mother in a matter of 6 months. Steffi loses a daughter. Secondary - Ridge will have to open his eyes to who he is married to. Wyatt will have to deal with Flo, Liam is currently homeless. Lots of ripple effects to this. Then @Kklbab12 said If my child had a dead baby placed in her arms and was told her child was dead then was told her child was stolen then may have gotten her back Id behave the same way Brooke did Friday. Thats MY child. Steffy is not and her father is RIGHT there to comfort her. MY child is my priority. Thats what mothers do. Brooke has been there for Hope 100 percent since she lost Beth. She has done all Hope has allowed her to during this odyssey. A great amount of the time she has felt powerless. She lost a grandchild and could not truly mourn because she needed to be strong for Hope as all parents feel. She also did not have much emotional support in her grief because Ridgie jumped on the Steam bandwagon. As a parent MY job is to be there for MY child and no one elses. While Id feel empathy for Steffy my daughter would and should be Brookes focus. Yeah lets bring RJ back and have Brooke tell him about Ridgie making out with grandpas wife causing the initial postponement of his parents wedding. Ridge didnt want him to find that out. That would change his opinion of daddy since RJ has always been protective of his mother. Sick of Brookes parenting always being questioned. Bringing up her mistakes is a broken record. When is Ridge Forrester EVER going to pay for his parenting? Hes a horrible father and stepfather. Eric Forrester Jr was 100 percent right about Ridgie. @txwildcat replied Ridge did not tell Hope to give up Liam. Hope did that all on her own. Ridge was thinking that, since Hope had kicked Liam back over into Steffy's home anyway, Steffy might as well be happy. @xena69 replied I always call Brooke out on her crap but she hasn't done anything wrong…yet. Even Ridge is getting a pass and I cant stand him. To which @monalisa2 replied Haha. Ridge and Steffy are just plain wierd To which @Its_Boldie replied Ridge annoys me like no other I swear I wanted to slap him when he agreed with Steffy and suggested that Beth stay because she is happy there and thriving! WHAT!!! Not really surprising because this is the same guy who kept Thomas from his own son and who bribed a judge in Will's custody situation. Keep Ridge away from any and all DNA testing offices please! @Kklbab12 replied THANK YOU. Ridgie is going to be in for a rude awakening when he realizes HE has been a big reason for his sons mental breakdown. HE chose to leave his family way back when to be with Brooke. HE chose to attempt to keep his son away from his grandson and attempt to steal him away. No one seems to want to try to call him on his garbage aside from Bill Spencer. What has always been odd to me is that Brooke has always been blamed by chasing Ridge but Ive noticed in the years of the show is that whenever Brooke has tried to move on Ridge has always interfered. Take care of YOUR daughter Ridge. Let Brooke take care of hers. To which @Tallyho replied Well if Brooke wanted Liam fro herself she would be happy the baby is dead and then go after your son-in-law. But then again the way Brooke treated Bridget is day and night to how she coddles Hope. Then @Kklbab12 said Im not sure how my post brought up Bridget. Brooke has not once seen nor gotten near Liam in a romantic or sexual way. KKL has said in her interviews that she will leave that type of story to the younger set and she isnt interested in robertbrown@example.net. Brooke has never been glad that the baby died and that Hope was in drowning grief. To which @Boatchick222 replied Kelly will always have a sister. However, Steffy would be losing a daughter, thats a fact. Watching Beth grow up will be difficult as Steffy was raising her. While its not nothing that Beth will be her niece, its not the same. @whataday replied How can KKL decide that? It sounds like something that someone on the writing team would say. After which, @Lynn1216 added Actors say all the time what they would like but ultimately it's up to the writers. JM from YandR didn't want to do Shick anymore, and there was a blind item that many thought was about JMW . It was a soap actress telling the writers she didn't want to do a triangle anymore. @Must_stay_positive replied I think we need to revisit why Steffy adopted in the first place. Hope told Steffy that Taylor could not be around Beth. Brooke told Steffy not to expect Liam to pay much attention to Kelly so he could concentrate on his own family. I really hope Phoebe is not Beth. Then @Dee21gh said As Ridge only cares about his kids. Isn't that the way it should be? So @Dee21gh replied If you will recall Taylor was wacko at the time, she'd shot a man, was angry and confrontational, and even backing a pregnant Hope in a corner practically. So yeah, I would have been trying to protect my child to. Even Steffy was telling Taylor to get help. Then @alana9 said To be fair it seems that Ridge only cares about his kids and Brooke only cares about her kids and that would be fine if they weren't married however if you marry somebody who has kids you can't just only care about your children cause if you do that marriege won't last and i think that Brooke and Ridge will eventually get a divorce because of their arguments over their children. After which, @Dee21gh added Your post is the total truth. He was bounced back and forth between Brooke and Taylor while they both blamed each other. He was the one breaking commitments. So @whataday replied It sounded more definitive than an actress just not being interested, imo. @Dee21gh replied Exactly, everyone should read this post and enough said. So @Lynn1216 replied KKL has had to deal with rumors and accusations for years . She has said point blank that he is not on the writing team. Then @whataday said Then such strong statements shouldn't be made, imo. So @Stubby replied The only time Ridge give a flying fig about his kids, is when they can do something for him, same scenario with Brooke, RJ, is only front and center when Brooke can use him. Then @hinol3705 said Ridge is the same … he wanted Hope to consider having Beth stay with Steffy. I think both Ridge and Brooke are self centered no wonder they break up all the time … when one has had enough of the other they leave …but both know no one else can take them long term …they go back to each other. I understand on Friday Steffy was just gut reacting to the situation and I did not believe for one moment she would keep Beth from Hope… I was just pissed Ridge was trying to get everyone to agree to it … what an idiot!!! After which, @Tallyho added Ridge has been shown to care about Hope. @Flyonthewall replied Brooke and Ridge are BOTH guilty of this. I distinctly recall Ridge saying in reference to Hope not too long ago, “She's not my favorite either.” Anyone else recall that line? @Tallyho replied Well why won;t he say that after Hope was going after his daughter's husband? But Ridge was far from callous with Hope over the extra funding issue and he gave Hope back her line (which she didn't deserve). Then @Flyonthewall said Revisionist history requires context. Liam was with Hope until Steffy mustered her way into their lives (just as she has with all Hope's love interests) and made herself a permanent fixture. When Hope has pursued Liam, it has either been because someone has intentionally taken measures to keep them apart or because Steffy slept with her own husband's father. To which @Tallyho replied Not sure why what happened 11 years ago has to do with last year or even with the three years Steffi was in Paris and Hope decided to go marry Wyatt because Liam was late meeting her half way around the world. To which @txwildcat replied Yes, I do recall Ridge saything that… after Hope inserted herself in the damaged Steam relationship and then came up pregnant and eventually ended the Steam reconciliation. It made perfect sense to me that Ridge felt that way at the time he said it. So @Flyonthewall replied I seem to remember Liam wanting Hope to be a part of his life again because his wife destroyed their marriage by sleeping with his father. Hope's very presence lifted Liam out of his depression, and he was more than ready to move on with her. The only reason he considered reuniting with Steffy was because of Kelly. But when he found out Hope was pregnant…well, we all know the rest. After which, @txwildcat added Remember whatever you need to, but it doesn't mean that the character Ridge will remember the same. It also does not clear up Hope's bad behavior which, frankly, wasn't that much different than Steffy's bad behavior in the early days. However, it can at least be said that there were no children involved when Steffy went after Liam. After which, @Tallyho added I will like to add that Steffi wasn't all happy and laughing over Hope losing her baby. Steffi didn't see it as a chance to get Liam back. Steffi grew up. Hope hasn't. So @Flyonthewall replied Wyatt was the father of the baby Hope lost. Steffy wasn't in L.A. at the time so there's no equivalency there. Then @whataday said Steffy wasn't all happy and laughing when Hope thought she'd lost Beth, nor did she see it as a chance to get Liam back. This is because Steffy grew up and Hope hasn't. So @Dee21gh replied I hope they do get a divorce. I think the only one that wants Ridge is Taylor. He's a lousy man. Then @Flyonthewall said I don't recall Hope dancing a jig over Steffy's baby the way others saw it play out. What I do remember is Steffy once again manipulating Hope's and Liam's wedding by getting him drunk and convincing him to get tattoos and dyed hair the night before the wedding to ruin it. Then right as Hope and Liam were reuniting Steffy announced she was pregnant, and Liam decided to be with her because he wanted to be a full-time dad. Then Steffy lost the baby. Maybe that's why Hope sought to reunite with Liam. So many lies and manipulations (mostly by way of Steffy and Bill) have kept them apart from the very beginning. @shesagem replied I th8nk you need to go back to the history. Liam got all his tattoos and dyed hair all on his own. Steffy had absolutely nothing to do with that. So @Flyonthewall replied My history is on point. Lies and manipulations were in full effect from day one—from the gondola in Aspen to the hotel room in Italy. Almost too many to count over the years. After which, @shesagem added Ok if you say so it must be right. @sidekick4life replied He called her his daughter he always showed he cared but Brooke never showed an ounce of care the his kids. @sidekick4life replied Nope wrong! He did it all on his own and steffy didn't make him do anything she made sure he made it to his wedding tho Then @Stubby said Steffy did no such thing. She was DJing at the club. Liam, got drunk all by himself, along with the fake tattoos and dyed hair. All Steffy did after that was drop him off at his Wedding, where Hope told him that he wasn't good enough for her. It takes two to get pregnant, Liam wasn't innocent, if he was he would have kept his buddy in his pants. When Steffy lost Aspen, she left the door open for Liam, and Hope to get together, Wyatt entered. Italy, again, Liam wasn't innocent, either. And somewhere along the line Steffy did tell Bill to back off. I recall Hope taking a long glance at Wyatt and he had nothing on. Can't put all the blame on Steffy. So @Flyonthewall replied Because she was so supportive of the wedding I guess. Yeah, that sounds like Steffy. Then @Michele said Kept his buddy in his pants​:sweat_smile: oh mg gosh I found this so totally hilarious. Thank you for the good laugh. It's so funny how some of us go back and forth from what we remember it how we interpreted what happened. I had totally forgotten about the tattoo' s and the hair dye! Now those were the days! All in all both Steffy and Hope have been ugly to each other…who was more evil we could debate for months. If Liam could pick a side and “keep his buddy in his pants” we wouldn't even be having this discussion! To which @Stubby replied Happy I could make you laugh. @Odiesmom replied Since Flo did not give birth to Beth/Phoebe, it is still an illegal adoption and Steffy will not get her back. There would still be a mother out there somewhere that Beth/Phoebe was stolen from. If Beth really died, both Hope and Steffy would be losing Beth/Phoebe. To which @Michele replied Absolutely. If the Logan's want somebody to pay…lets think this through. A DNA will need to be done the cops will insist on it. They can't just arrest someone because of someone pointing a finger at them! To which @Odiesmom replied Flo lied about giving birth to Phoebe, so the adoption is still illegal. Steffy would have to give her up and not be able to see her again. To which @Odiesmom replied I agree, a DNA test needs to be done. It needs to be done while Thomas is in hiding so that psycho doesn't mess with the results. To which @Temptress replied Odiesmom: > Since Flo did not give birth to Beth/Phoebe, it is still an illegal adoption and Steffy will not get her back. There would still be a mother out there somewhere that Beth/Phoebe was stolen from. If Beth really died, both Hope and Steffy would be losing Beth/Phoebe. I always said it was an illegal adoption. Steffy has no legal right to Phoebe of course. But what if the biological mother of Phoebe is the lady we saw at the clinic who had twins, a stillborn and Phoebe. She may have put Phoebe up for adoption and left her with Reese who sold her illegally to Steffy. The biological mother could do a Private adoption with Steffy. Then @Drives_me_crazy said Can you really blame Brooke for being angry about what happened to her daughter and her granddaughter? I'd be mad as hell. Then @1NightOwl2 said Its_Boldie: > Ridge annoys me like no other Ridge annoys me as well but he's second to Brooke for me. She annoys me worse… @Its_Boldie replied but why involve Hope then? Why the elaborate story about the baby being Hope's? Why go through all that trouble when he already had a live baby that wasn't wanted that he could sell with no other loose ends and possible slip ups? Then @DeliaDoo said And Ridge has NEVER cared about Hope.Why 2 people who dont ever support the other's children or accept that type of bad treatment toward their children, think its a good idea to be together, is beyond me. Both are too narcissistic to love beyond what isn't a part of them obviously. Brooke did attempt to mother Steffy, when Taylor was missing but Ridge has ALWAYS taken Steffy side over Hope even when Steffy is clearly wrong.Steffy had a mother and didnt need Brooke while Hope didn't have a dad but Ridge never filled the void of Hope's missing dad. Then @Tallyho said I'm talking about Beth. Hope was despicable to Steffi ALL of last year. Threatening to take Steffi's husabnd, getting knocked up by him, ordering Steffi and Taylor around. But Beth's death did not make Steffi happy. She has been nothing but sincere in her concern for Hope. Hope has NEVER been sincere in her concern for anyone, especially Steffi. So @Kklbab12 replied Its time Ridge gets called to task for his lousy parenting. Hes the reason Thomas is so messed up. Hes the reason Taylor shot an unarmed defenseless man. Hes the reason Taylor wanted to pay for Steffys adoption out of her guilt for Ridge being such a bad husband and father. His denial about Thomas just takes the cake. So @hotspice58 replied I'm as written that she gives opinions on stories. Honestly, it seems to be that way. @Temptress replied Its_Boldie: > but why involve Hope then? Why the elaborate story about the baby being Hope's? Why go through all that trouble when he already had a live baby that wasn't wanted that he could sell with no other loose ends and possible slip ups? Why go for two babies instead of one, Reese is a gambler, he wanted more money. It's not an elaborate plan in my opinion, it was pretty dumb of Reese to use the airhead Flo, she doesn't seem the type to outsmart the police, when pressured. Reese didn't have to plan anything either, it just happened. I think it was the poster txwildcat who said AN and Scott said on twitter, just when Lope thinks they are getting what they want, there is more to the story…not a quote, but that's sure interesting statement. This is only a theory, I wish would happened, more drama to the story makes it more interesting. But Bell does usually do simple, we will just have to wait. Why have Reese tell Flo, the baby was Hope's, doesn't make sense. But by doing it Bell made Flo look like a terrible person, who sold her cousin Hope out, so she could keep her beautiful new life. @Its_Boldie replied The baby not being Beth makes no sense to me and until we see how this twist, that's being dissected like a frog, will play out, I will take everything as NOT happening till it does. I know the writing on this show changes on a whim but we will see. So @soapwatcher36 replied The true Brooke was always there. She doesn't care about anyone unless their last name is Logan. I think what they should have done is made Hope and Liam stay at the house with Steffy for a few days then have Steffy stay at the Cabin one or two nights and I think they ahould have had like a therapist there to help the transition go more smoothly but once again we see Bradley's very poor and biased writing at its very best. I mean he has practically phased out the Forrester family for these trashy guttersnipe Logans. I have no respect for him as a writer and the poor quality that the show has become over the years. Then @Boatchick222 said While I can't blame Brooke, I do. Brooke knows by this time that Steffy is also a victim of all this. Brook'e niece is the one who lied, for money. Brooke should be a little more sympathetic towards Steffy. @Drives_me_crazy replied We all have our burdens to bare and we have to somehow have the strength to get through life's trials. Brooke lost a grandchild for many months and thought she'd never see her or get to know her. It took a personal toll on her. I don't remember Steffy fussing over Brooke while she shed her tears. Sometimes, a person's emotions can overwhelm them and they don't have enough strength to spread themselves around. Steffy wasn't left empty-handed. She has Kelly to focus on and will move on with her life. Brooke and Hope have a renewed joy in their lives and can't think beyond that right now. In the end, no one OWES anything to anybody unless, like Thomas, the doctor and the “secret keepers”, they've deliberately wronged someone. Brooke didn't do this to Steffy. Hope didn't do this to Steffy. They each have the right to their happiness. After which, @Boatchick222 added Steffy didn't have to fuss over Brooke. Why would she, Brooke has caused Steffy's family nothing but misery. Brooke, yes should have had more sympathy towards Steffy as she was also a victim in this. Steffy was hearing the news for the first time with everyone there. Brooke and Hope are lucky that Steffy was the one who got Beth. At least Hope got to see her daughter everyday. Beth was safe. So, yes, Brooke does owe Steffy for that. To which @txwildcat replied shesagem: > I th8nk you need to go back to the history. > Liam got all his tattoos and dyed hair all on his own. Steffy had absolutely nothing to do with that. You are absolutely right. Steffy told Liam that he left her with her friends and she couldn't find him. When he came back, he had his tinted hair and tattoos. Steffy had nothing to do with it. In fact, earlier, Steffy dropped Liam off at home for his date with Hope and left. When Hope cancelled their date, Liam went to find Steffy at a club…with NO prompting from Steffy. So @Must_stay_positive replied I still think Liam is the shooter. So @Must_stay_positive replied If and it Phoebe is Beth, there is no reason that Steffy can not be a part of her life if Hope and Liam are OK with it. Steffy had no way to know that Flo lied. If I were adopting a child and met the ‘birth mother', I would feel much
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