@alyrjia_06-legacy (alyrjia_06) posted a new topic, subject "Gender reassignment in Rust doesn't make sense". It read:

   Disclaimer: I love this game, and I'm not going to stop playing this just because I didn't get the gender that I wanted, however, I think the gender reassignment was stupid.
    
    When I started playing this game, yes, I knew I'd be a male for a while. And when they announced female characters were going to be introduced, I was excited, even though I knew it wouldn't be our choice. However, When seven of my male friends are all female, and I'm the only one who is still a male…something isn't right.
    
    I don't necessarily care about being male or female, or being able to customize how I look, but I would have at the very least appreciated being assigned a female character because my steam profile specifically designates my gender as such. I wish it was more of our genders on our profiles and not our IP address. That code doesn't make sense in my mind, and I think it's stupid that we can't choose male or female. It's not an issue about being able to customize our looks, it's just choosing a dang gender.

Then @elixwhitetail-legacy (elixwhitetail) said

    alyrjia_06:
    
    > Disclaimer: I love this game, and I'm not going to stop playing this just because I didn't get the gender that I wanted, however, I think the gender reassignment was stupid.
    > 
    > When I started playing this game, yes, I knew I'd be a male for a while. And when they announced female characters were going to be introduced, I was excited, even though I knew it wouldn't be our choice. However, When seven of my male friends are all female, and I'm the only one who is still a male…something isn't right.
    > 
    > I don't necessarily care about being male or female, or being able to customize how I look, but I would have at the very least appreciated being assigned a female character because my steam profile specifically designates my gender as such. **I wish it was more of our genders on our profiles and not our IP address.** That code doesn't make sense in my mind, and I think it's stupid that we can't choose male or female. It's not an issue about being able to customize our looks, it's just choosing a dang gender.
    
    It's actually based on your Steam ID, and the lack of character customization is a deliberate design decision. It's hardly “reassignment” when the only option has been male by default until now.
    
    Your character's visual attributes are determined using your Steam ID as a unique seed, in much the same way that different seeds cause Minecraft to generate entirely different maps.
    
    One of the stated reasons for this is to prevent the “three hours of tweaking sliders to create a character in Skyrim” effect. Instead, when you start up Rust and join a server, you're simply in the game with no preamble bullshit, no long intro, no dozens of arbitrary and semi-meaningless decisions. You're just on the beach (or wherever) with a rock and one goal: survive.

After which, @Ott-legacy (Ott) added

    Gender reassignment in Rust doesn't make sense. You're stuck with what you have.

So @jumonjii-legacy (jumonjii) replied

    What if you make a shared account?

Then @Davidab-legacy (Davidab) said

    I logged out last evening a burly black male specimen, and logged in this morn a petite white girl. You might say I was somewhat dismayed at the overnight transformation.
    
    To be perfectly frank, sadly, I can't play RUST anymore, at least not as a slender female figure, as seductively curvaceous as she is.
    
    I'll return when character selection becomes an option, if ever.
    
    Oh btw, love the boobs.

So @SteakStyles-legacy (SteakStyles) replied

    I find it hysterical how everyone wanted the female player model when they thought they'd be able to switch per spawn or whatever. And now that its tied to steamid instead of picking at will, most of the people who wanted it hate it.
    
    I went from the unholy spawn of TF2 Soldier and Sloth from The Goonies into an average looking, slightly tanned bald woman thanks to this update. And it doesn't bother zhebert@example.com. When people hear my voice coming out of a woman, it will freak the shit out of them. If some skeez bag hits on me, they get a rock to the head.
    
    I seriously would love to see how people would react if your steamid forced your character to be a child, or a deer, or an eel or something.

So @Bingo_legacy (Bingo_) replied

    elixwhitetail:
    
    > It's actually based on your Steam ID, and the lack of character customization is a deliberate design decision. It's hardly “reassignment” when the only option has been male by default until now.
    > 
    > Your character's visual attributes are determined using your Steam ID as a unique seed, in much the same way that different seeds cause Minecraft to generate entirely different maps.
    > 
    > One of the stated reasons for this is to prevent the “three hours of tweaking sliders to create a character in Skyrim” effect. Instead, when you start up Rust and join a server, you're simply in the game with no preamble bullshit, no long intro, no dozens of arbitrary and semi-meaningless decisions. You're just on the beach (or wherever) with a rock and one goal: survive.
    
    It would hardly ruin the game to have two drop-down boxes to select gender and ethnicity. I don't care if my steam ID makes me an ugly small-dicked freakshow, but the completely random system is a nightmare.

Then @someone223-legacy (someone223) said

    Bingo_:
    
    > It would hardly ruin the game to have two drop-down boxes to select gender and ethnicity. I don't care if my steam ID makes me an ugly small-dicked freakshow, but the completely random system is a nightmare.
    
    This.  
    There is no reason not to include it.

After which, @Hahapingazzz-legacy (Hahapingazzz) added

    Have to agree with this thread, I couldn't care less about being forced to be a female character in game, but a choice would have been nice, I get why they made race random to rule out racism and whatever, but making gender random was a terrible decision.
    
    I think a far better way to implement it would be if they just gave us a simple one time only option screen to choose which gender, once you choose you can never take that decision back, and you can never change your gender after that.

To which @Maximum_Over-legacy (Maximum Over) replied

    Every gender thread so far:
    
    “I couldn't care less … but here are a lot of reasons why I'm really butthurt about my in-game gender which by the way has no relevance on anything I'm basically just complaining because internet rage”

Then @someone223-legacy (someone223) said

    Maximum Over:
    
    > Every gender thread so far:
    > 
    > “I couldn't care less … but here are a lot of reasons why I'm really butthurt about my in-game gender which by the way has no relevance on anything I'm basically just complaining because internet rage”
    
    Why are you defending a lazy design decision?  
    Also it does have relevance, people like to play as character who resemble them otherwise character creators wouldn't exist.  
    And a deep manly voice coming from a female sounds really strange.

@Hahapingazzz-legacy (Hahapingazzz) replied

    Maximum Over:
    
    > Every gender thread so far:
    > 
    > “I couldn't care less … but here are a lot of reasons why I'm really butthurt about my in-game gender which by the way has no relevance on anything I'm basically just complaining because internet rage”
    
    Did you even read my post?
    
      1. I'm not butthurt nor was I in anyway “internet raging”.
    
      2. I was not complaining in zhebert@example.com.
    
    
    
    
    I was offering my feedback which is the main point of early access, for players to test the game and provide constructive feedback on the game.
    
    I then gave my opinion on what I thought would of been a better way to implement it.
    
    If all you're going to do is complain about other people complaining (when I wasn't even complaining), then why do you even bother replying to the thread?
    
    What if I told you, you could read something you don't like on the Internet and simply ignore it? :ohno:

After which, @w1zard_one-legacy (w1zard_one) added

    I want hair everybody has cancer in game its weird or everybody became a skin head after the world went to shit

To which @Maximum_Over-legacy (Maximum Over) replied

    Hahapingazzz:
    
    > Did you even read my post?
    
    Yes. Did you?
    
    > I couldn't care less about being forced to be a female character … making gender random was a terrible decision.
    
    So was it a terrible decision, or do you not care?
    
    [editline]8th April 2016[/editline]
    
    someone223:
    
    > people like to play as character who resemble them
    
    Then they're going to be mighty disappointed with Rust, unless Garry plans on adding neckbeards.

@Hahapingazzz-legacy (Hahapingazzz) replied

    Maximum Over:
    
    > Yes. Did you?
    > 
    > So was it a terrible decision, or do you not care?
    > 
    > [editline]8th April 2016[/editline]
    > 
    > Then they're going to be mighty disappointed with Rust, unless Garry plans on adding neckbeards.
    
    You're not very bright are you? Read both of my comments and then try to come up with a response that isn't so half whitted next time.
    
    I do not care whether I'm male or female, it makes no difference to gameplay, and I stand by that.
    
    Me saying it was a terrible decision was simply my personal opinion on the matter… Is that so hard to understand?
    
    That is not in anyway me being butthurt or complaining. I'm freely saying I don't care either way, but also saying a choice would have been nice.

After which, @someone223-legacy (someone223) added

    Maximum Over:
    
    > Yes. Did you?
    > 
    > So was it a terrible decision, or do you not care?
    > 
    > [editline]8th April 2016[/editline]
    > 
    > Then they're going to be mighty disappointed with Rust, unless Garry plans on adding neckbeards.
    
    Even if I had a neckbeard how would that make my argument less valid?  
    And yes, adding hair and beard would be nice, since now every character looks like a cancer patient.

To which @theRJMurray-legacy (theRJMurray) replied

    I had friends I was trying to get into the game.
    
    They jump on TS today saying, “Hey wanna play Rust? I can buy it today.”
    
    Uhhhh no, nobody plays anymore, lets play another game.

Then @elixwhitetail-legacy (elixwhitetail) said

    theRJMurray:
    
    > Uhhhh no, nobody plays anymore, lets play another game.
    
    Yeah, look at those numbers pancake below 5,000 simultaneous users because you can't choose your gender. Shit, the devs better pull this patch immediately. :garryspin:

@someone223-legacy (someone223) replied

    elixwhitetail:
    
    > http://i.imgur.com/9MuvDej.png
    > 
    > Yeah, look at those numbers pancake below 5,000 simultaneous users because you can't choose your gender. Shit, the devs better pull this patch immediately. :garryspin:
    
    Why would it bother you if others had the choice to choose their gender?

Then @elixwhitetail-legacy (elixwhitetail) said

    someone223:
    
    > Why would it bother you if others had the choice to choose their gender?
    
    It doesn't bother me. But it's a deliberate design decision by garry and the devs, something that sets Rust apart from its copycats and the open-world survival fps genre in general, and every argument against it except for hitbox size disparity is “because I want it” from a tiny vocal minority which is not a strong enough justification to change the game.
    
    I'm not on the dev team so I can't actually claim to know what garry's thinking, but every other time gender/skin-tone assignment has been mentioned in the devblogs or in a gaming news site post, people have come here to make threads complaining that they'll be forced to play a woman/x-race character and this is **unacceptable** because their character has to represent their real-life body – and the devs have never flinched once. The latest crop of threads is an exact repeat of last time around and so I'm fairly comfortable predicting the future on this one.

To which @someone223-legacy (someone223) replied

    elixwhitetail:
    
    > It doesn't bother me. But it's a deliberate design decision by garry and the devs, something that sets Rust apart from its copycats and the open-world survival fps genre in general, and every argument against it except for hitbox size disparity is “because I want it” from a tiny vocal minority which is not a strong enough justification to change the game.
    > 
    > I'm not on the dev team so I can't actually claim to know what garry's thinking, but every other time gender/skin-tone assignment has been mentioned in the devblogs or in a gaming news site post, people have come here to make threads complaining that they'll be forced to play a woman/x-race character and this is **unacceptable** because their character has to represent their real-life body – and the devs have never flinched once. The latest crop of threads is an exact repeat of last time around and so I'm fairly comfortable predicting the future on this one.
    
    It's always a tiny vocal minority until no one plays this game anymore.  
    And what if it makes this game different from others?  
    Being different not inherently good, you're just restricting a thing from players that is in the game.

@Shadowsphinx-legacy (Shadowsphinx) replied

    I still don't understand why people are up in arms about this. I went from an Israeli man with buff arms to a Nigerian jungle monster and other than a cheap initial laugh effected me in no way. What your character looks like is literally the least important part of this game. If you want customization go play ark.
    
    Your character didn't chose to be washed ashore on some radioactive island, why do you think you get to chose who they are?

So @someone223-legacy (someone223) replied

    Shadowsphinx:
    
    > I still don't understand why people are up in arms about this. I went from an Israeli man with buff arms to a Nigerian jungle monster and other than a cheap initial laugh effected me in no way. What your character looks like is literally the least important part of this game. If you want customization go play ark.
    > 
    > Your character didn't chose to be washed ashore on some radioactive island, why do you think you get to chose who they are?
    
    On the other hand I chose to buy this game.  
    I chose to open it.  
    And I chose to log in.  
    My character isn't a sentient thing, its nothing more than the representation of me.

To which @0ni-legacy (0ni) replied

    someone223:
    
    > On the other hand I chose to buy this game.  
    >  I chose to open it.  
    >  And I chose to log in.  
    >  My character isn't a sentient thing, its nothing more than the representation of me.
    
    You also choose to buy an unfinished game from a guy with a certain amount of whimsy in his reputation and a healthy dose of giving no fucks. It could only have been more obvious if this game was called “caveat emptor”.
    
    Just remember, the person isn't who you're looking at or even the voice behind the microphone. It's the number of nakeds they've killed from a tower that defines them. The exact same thing applies to you.  
    Nothing has changed, the same rules apply. Trust no one, they're all scum. It doesn't matter what anyone looks like when they're all the enemy.
    
    So some of you have a vagina now and that's okay. Vaginas are awesome, some of the best things that ever happened to me took place in a vagina: My birth, my son, a bunch of other stuff I'm too gentlemanly to talk about (orgasms). Vaginas are one of the best things that life has to offer, so we should celebrate and embrace them and stop being so fucking petty.

To which @someone223-legacy (someone223) replied

    0ni:
    
    > You also choose to buy an unfinished game from a guy with a certain amount of whimsy in his reputation and a healthy dose of giving no fucks. It could only have been more obvious if this game was called “caveat emptor”.
    > 
    > Just remember, the person isn't who you're looking at or even the voice behind the microphone. It's the number of nakeds they've killed from a tower that defines them. The exact same thing applies to you.  
    >  Nothing has changed, the same rules apply. Trust no one, they're all scum. It doesn't matter what anyone looks like when they're all the enemy.
    > 
    > So some of you have a vagina now and that's okay. Vaginas are awesome, some of the best things that ever happened to me took place in a vagina: My birth, my son, a bunch of other stuff I'm too gentlemanly to talk about (orgasms). Vaginas are one of the best things that life has to offer, so we should celebrate and embrace them and stop being so fucking petty.
    
    Embrace your vagina then, I couldn't care less.  
    But I want to play as a male character.I want my character to look the way I want it to look.  
    Also that's a nice way to get a bad reputation, if the dev continues going down this way then he might be surprised to find an empty game.

Then @geferon-legacy (geferon) said

    someone223:
    
    > Embrace your vagina then, I couldn't care less.  
    >  But I want to play as a male character.I want my character to look the way I want it to look.  
    >  Also that's a nice way to get a bad reputation, if the dev continues going down this way then he might be surprised to find an empty game.
    
    Ye, look how empty it is: http://store.steampowered.com/stats/  
    It's going to shit with devs decisions and the game development.

Then @someone223-legacy (someone223) said

    geferon:
    
    > Ye, look how empty it is: http://store.steampowered.com/stats/  
    >  It's going to shit with devs decisions and the game development.
    
    Yeah, don't listen to the consumers nothing bad has ever come from that. Make everything random, change everything, make it unplayable who cares right?  
    They are making it for themselves anyway right?

To which @Shadowsphinx-legacy (Shadowsphinx) replied

    EL OH EL. Goodbye, you won't be missed. No one gives a shit what you look like, everyone looks the same geared up. You're not a special snowflake and just as boring and uninteresting as everyone else. Being able to customize your character literally adds nothing to the game.
    
    As a seasoned dungeon master I've found that having distinct limitations for players creates more interesting and fun interactions.  
    Like I said before, if you are so simple minded that you cant play a role that does not directly reflect your deep dark mysterious personality that no body but you can understand go play ark. Seriously we don't need or want you. I specifically ban characters from being chaotic neutral at my table because unoriginal people like you always pick it and it's boring as fuck.
    
    Seriously if you're playing a survival game and your main concern is what your character looks like fuck off. Lol
    
    /aggressive rant

To which @someone223-legacy (someone223) replied

    Shadowsphinx:
    
    > EL OH EL. Goodbye, you won't be missed. No one gives a shit what you look like, everyone looks the same geared up. You're not a special snowflake and just as boring and uninteresting as everyone else. Being able to customize your character literally adds nothing to the game.
    > 
    > As a seasoned dungeon master I've found that having distinct limitations for players creates more interesting and fun interactions.  
    >  Like I said before, if you are so simple minded that you cant play a role that does not directly reflect your deep dark mysterious personality that no body but you can understand go play ark. Seriously we don't need or want you. I specifically ban characters from being chaotic neutral at my table because unoriginal people like you always pick it and it's boring as fuck.
    > 
    > Seriously if you're playing a survival game and your main concern is what your character looks like fuck off. Lol
    > 
    > /aggressive rant
    
    Nice attitude.  
    First of all this isn't a roleplaying game. AS I have said over a millionth time now your character is merely the representation of you, and I want it to be atleast male If I need to use a mic in order to communicate.  
    Second, you're making up things. No one wants to be a dark mysterious edgy character here, we just simply want to play as our own real life gender. That isn't a lot to ask for right? Especially considering what I previously said.  
    Third, to customize our character adds to our gameplay experience otherwise we wouldn't be here complaining.  
    Fourth, with that attitude there's no wonder people call rust's community toxic.

After which, @Alice_01-legacy (Alice_01) added

    Garry is attracted to making decisions to alienate his player base like moths are to a light. Its been this way ever since garrysmod was an actual mod, don't expect him to ever go back on one of his ‘personal' and ‘originally thought' decisions.
    
    I will be surprised if anyone could justify his decision any other way.
    
    > I'm fairly comfortable predicting the future on this one.

@Shadowsphinx-legacy (Shadowsphinx) replied

    Why does it matter that your character is your gender? Would you not play a game if the character was not your gender? ;^) I wasn't making stuff up, I was just mocking you.  
    And who cares if what you don't sound like doesn't match your character? The women who have played this game don't seem to care since before this update. I'm a pasty white dude but my character is straight out of the African Congo, doesn't bother me in the slightest.
    
    The fact that this is bothering people so much is very amusing, and I bet Garry is having a good laugh himself. You can go ahead and tell us it's gonna kill the game but guess how many people were screaming that when they went from legacy to experiment and look where we are now.  
    You got two choices, kid. Tits or GTFO. 8b7c:f320:99b9:690f:4595:cd17:293a:c069:^^^^))))))
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@someone223-legacy (someone223) replied

    Shadowsphinx:
    
    > Why does it matter that your character is your gender? Would you not play a game if the character was not your gender? ;^) I wasn't making stuff up, I was just mocking you.  
    >  And who cares if what you don't sound like doesn't match your character? The women who have played this game don't seem to care since before this update. I'm a pasty white dude but my character is straight out of the African Congo, doesn't bother me in the slightest.
    > 
    > The fact that this is bothering people so much is very amusing, and I bet Garry is having a good laugh himself. You can go ahead and tell us it's gonna kill the game but guess how many people were screaming that when they went from legacy to experiment and look where we are now.  
    >  You got two choices, kid. Tits or GTFO. 8b7c:f320:99b9:690f:4595:cd17:293a:c069:^^^^))))))
    
    Nice argument, oh wait no.  
    Why do you care if some people would like to have the option?  
    Does it bother you? No? Then why come here and act immature?  
    Also, the women did care and they care now too. Just look at the steam forums. People want to play as their real life gender, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.  
    About tits or gtfo, you clearly don't understand what the point of it or in what context should it be used so refrain from using it.

To which @Jessica04-legacy (Jessica04) replied

    I wish there was an option or somewhat as I am female in real life…and would be more comfortable being a female in-game than a dude, it's rather awkward at times in-game VOIP.
    
    Hopefully a feature like this can be put in to the game as my character has gone from a black guy to now an asian/pale guy

So @Shadowsphinx-legacy (Shadowsphinx) replied

    Trust me I'm an old friend, I know what it means. It's not gonna happen. So I'm just here to waste your time.

Then @Murdo-legacy (Murdo) said

    Know what bothers me? Of all the shit worth discussing and complaining about with regards to **actual gameplay** or even theme, every other thread on this message board is about the horror of not being able to customize one's avatar. There's narcissism… and then there's failed narcissism.
    
    If this carries on much longer, by comparison and by ratio of _actual importance_ in the game, I can feel justified still bitching about half-blocks in 2018.

Then @fraccy-legacy (fraccy) said

    My problem is that all the female characters running about with deep male voices totally ruins immersion. Yes of course there are some women with deep voices, and plenty of men with higher voices, but my brain recognises a male voice versus a female one - I can't stop it. So it sees a female, and it hears a male, and it breaks the immersion of the game. Voice is vitally important part of Rust, and the immersion is even more important. Why not just make all the grass pink? … obviously because you want the Rust experience to feel believable. Well, I'm afraid just as women generally don't have a penis, they also generally have female voices…

Then @jumonjii-legacy (jumonjii) said

    So quit playing.

@Maximum_Over-legacy (Maximum Over) replied

    Hahapingazzz:
    
    > You're not very bright are you?
    
    Says the guy arguing that “I don't care” and “I have an opinion” aren't mutually exclusive.
    
    Please, keep posting.
    
    [editline]9th April 2016[/editline]
    
    fraccy:
    
    > My problem is that all the female characters running about with deep male voices totally ruins immersion.
    
    Yeah because killing a boar with a rock is completely immersive. So is carrying around enough wood in your arms to build a house.
    
    [editline]9th April 2016[/editline]
    
    someone223:
    
    > if the dev continues going down this way then he might be surprised to find an empty game.
    
    I believe we have our “this has ruined Rust forever” post. Anyone got bingo?

Then @jumonjii-legacy (jumonjii) said

    Bingo.

After which, @Hahapingazzz-legacy (Hahapingazzz) added

    Maximum Over:
    
    > Says the guy arguing that “I don't care” and “I have an opinion” aren't mutually exclusive.
    > 
    > Please, keep posting.
    
    So you're trying to say that because I don't care either way, that I don't get to have an opinion on the matter? That logic is stupid.
    
    How are they "mutually exclusive, huh? Give me a reason why those two can't be used in the same argument?..
    
    I'm saying I don't care either way, I can play as a female, and I have been for the last 36 odd hours, it does not effect my gameplay experience at all, it literally makes no difference to me whether we get a choice or not, I simply don't care. I'm just voicing my opinion that a choice would be a nice feature in the game…
    
    This is extremely easy to understand, but I'll put it very simple to you. An option would be nice, but even if it never becomes feature I will not care because it doesn't change my personal gameplay experience in anyway whatsoever.
    
    Understand? probably not, you've already shown how narrow minded you are, so unless you have a half decent response please don't even bother replying to me, you're just making yourself seem quite stupid really.

@ExplosiveCheese-legacy (ExplosiveCheese) replied

    I never understood all these people screaming bloody murder over the model assignment. I'm still gonna look at you and think “Maybe they have some good loot” and pop you with some 5.56.

@Untailygean-legacy (Untailygean) replied

    There is no character customization because people are unoriginal and everybody would look the same.  
    /thread

Then @raz_r23-legacy (raz r23) said

    someone223:
    
    > Why are you defending a lazy design decision?  
    >  Also it does have relevance, people like to play as character who resemble them otherwise character creators wouldn't exist.  
    >  And a deep manly voice coming from a female sounds really strange.
    
    why are you getting butt hurt over a new develop mechanic? you realize this was just added to the game right? so it's a brand new feature and it's still being ironed out if you can't handle that then Early Access is not for you. the amount of crying is sad are you all 12 year olds? Grow up
    
    it's a new mechanic have fun with it. right now I'm being an Amazon hobo with a bow it's a blast. If you can't deal with this then stop playing rust you will not be missed.

To which @Maximum_Over-legacy (Maximum Over) replied

    Hahapingazzz:
    
    > So you're trying to say that because I don't care either way, that I don't get to have an opinion on the matter?
    
    Yes. That's literally what “I don't care” means.
    
    You sure are typing a lot of words for someone who doesn't care.
    
    [editline]9th April 2016[/editline]
    
    raz r23:
    
    > If you can't deal with this then stop playing rust you will not be missed.
    
    I agree. It adds some variety to the game, and is nothing more than the latest iteration of “this last update totally ruined the game permanently” on the forums.

After which, @jumonjii-legacy (jumonjii) added

    Where would it end? If Rust let you pick gender, then someone would cry they want to pick race, or color, or their player model is fat, or not muscular enough… this isn't The SIMS, this is Rust.
    
    Suck it up or pack it up.

After which, @Sneak2-legacy (Sneak2) added

    I do not mind playing both sexes if i have to … but i would very much prefer to have the choice and i have a fair idea that if there was the choice most players would choose thier own sex ! and even colour
    
    its just the human thing to do and a natural thing to do

@Hahapingazzz-legacy (Hahapingazzz) replied

    Maximum Over:
    
    > Yes. That's literally what “I don't care” means.
    > 
    > You sure are typing a lot of words for someone who doesn't care.
    
    Just because I don't care either way doesn't mean I don't get an opinion. Yes I would like the option to choose. But no I don't care if we never get that option. I've been fine playing as a female for the last 2 and a half days, I honestly completely forget my character is female until i press tab. It makes literally zero difference to gameplay.
    
    Therefore you're wrong. Congratulations you're an idiot. Bye.

After which, @Maximum_Over-legacy (Maximum Over) added

    Hahapingazzz:
    
    > Just because I don't care either way doesn't mean I don't get an opinion.
    
    That's exactly what that means. I'm sorry that you don't understand what “I don't care” means, but please keep posting and contradicting yourself.
    
    Hahapingazzz:
    
    > it literally makes no difference to me whether we get a choice or not, I simply don't care.
    
    Hahapingazzz:
    
    > a choice would be a nice feature
    
    “I don't care if we have this feature. I want this feature.”
    
    Hahapingazzz:
    
    > I would like the option to choose
    
    Hahapingazzz:
    
    > I don't care if we never get that option. It makes literally zero difference to gameplay.
    
    “I want this option. I don't care if we get this option. Somehow these two are not contradictory.”
    
    I love that something as simple as in-game gender is leading to such meltdowns. Sorry that your gender assignment bothers you so much, but it is what it is. You'll get over it.

@Falxhor-legacy (Falxhor) replied

    Maximum Over, he has an opinion. I don't think he phrases it correctly by saying “I don't care”, I think he means he doesn't care enough to make a fuss about it and he's flexible enough to deal with it whether it goes one way or the other. You can still have a preference though, even if you don't care enough to make a fuss about it.

After which, @Hahapingazzz-legacy (Hahapingazzz) added

    Falxhor:
    
    > Maximum Over, he has an opinion. I don't think he phrases it correctly by saying “I don't care”, I think he means he doesn't care enough to make a fuss about it and he's flexible enough to deal with it whether it goes one way or the other. You can still have a preference though, even if you don't care enough to make a fuss about it.
    
    Thank you! You get what I'm saying, it really wasn't that hard to understand.

So @Maximum_Over-legacy (Maximum Over) replied

    Falxhor:
    
    > Maximum Over, he has an opinion. I don't think he phrases it correctly by saying “I don't care”
    
    Yeah, that's my point. If he had left out “I don't care”, none of this would have happened. As it were, he got mighty butthurt mighty fast because someone pointed out his self-contradiction. And he's not alone:
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfeNjvyWcAELb8z.jpg:orig
    
    (actual FP support ticket, from Garry)

After which, @Hahapingazzz-legacy (Hahapingazzz) added

    I was never at any point “butthurt” this has gone on long enough, I think it's time for both of us to give it a rest. However, I still stand by my statement that I don't care either way.
    
    If everyone where given the option of Male, Female, and Random, I'm pretty sure more then 90% of rusts population would choose their respective gender and not random, even the ones who couldn't care less.

@_Seraphina_legacy (~Seraphina~) replied

    So much for RP'ing in Rust… Refund, please? =(

So @Zushakon-legacy (Zushakon) replied

    ~Seraphina~:
    
    > So much for RP'ing in Rust… Refund, please? =(
    
    Yes please… although with over a thousand hours logged I feel it unlikely x)

After which, @_Seraphina_legacy (~Seraphina~) added

    Zushakon:
    
    > Yes please… although with over a thousand hours logged I feel it unlikely x)
    
    I only have like 5.

So @mrknifey-legacy (mrknifey) replied

    ~Seraphina~:
    
    > I only have like 5. 
    
    how long ago did you purchase?

Then @raz_r23-legacy (raz r23) said

    Feeling paid to cheat…

To which @_Seraphina_legacy (~Seraphina~) replied

    mrknifey:
    
    > how long ago did you purchase?
    
    about a year and a half ago or so

So @mrknifey-legacy (mrknifey) replied

    ~Seraphina~:
    
    > about a year and a half ago or so
    
    then a refund is probably not gonna happen:/

Then @_Seraphina_legacy (~Seraphina~) said

    mrknifey:
    
    > then a refund is probably not gonna happen:/
    
    yeah, I bought not knowing they didn't have female player models yet, and I played it for a bit and couldn't really immerse myself into it due to being a naked man. I'm a bit silly that way, but it just made it a bit ‘meh' for me as I play for RP and social purposes. Anyway, I liked the game but put it away for a while due to the gender thingy, but kept following the devblogs waiting for female characters to be implemented. Then later on, I read that it would be random. I found the concept kind of cool, and 50% chance of me getting the right gender. I figured if I didn't, I could just petition support and they'd fix it for me if I told them a little bit about myself and why it's a game-/immersion-breaker for me.
    
    Turns out the only way to fix it, is to make a new account and repurchase the game there, and hope for the best. It'd help with a refund so I can repurchase, but I guess I'll have to wait for a sale on Steam and buy it again. and possibly again. =P It's a good game, though!

Then @elixwhitetail-legacy (elixwhitetail) said

    ~Seraphina~:
    
    > Then later on, I read that it would be random. I found the concept kind of cool, and 50% chance of me getting the right gender. I figured if I didn't, I could just petition support and they'd fix it for me if I told them a little bit about myself and why it's a game-/immersion-breaker for me.
    
    You expected support to make an exception for you in the game code? Because that's precisely what it'd require. This is like asking a random number generator to cheat and always give you a 7 when it's your username asking.
    
    Characters will reshuffle multiple times between now and the time the game leaves Early Access. Buying the game over and over until you get a result that you like will be temporary at best because all of those accounts will change to fresh character combinations every time the devs change the character system in an update.
    
    You may wish to try Second Life instead, if you're looking for social RP and an accurate character avatar.

Then @_Seraphina_legacy (~Seraphina~) said

    elixwhitetail:
    
    > You expected support to make an exception for you in the game code?
    > 
    > You may wish to try Second Life instead, if you're looking for social RP and an accurate character avatar.
    
    I erroneously thought they could open up a user database and change a simple variable.
    
    I did try Second Life, but there was nothing to actually do with the other people there except sit around. I like survival, diplomacy and having to work together with others for a common goal. This is why I love online survival games. =)

After which, @TacticalNerD-legacy (TacticalNerD) added

    elixwhitetail:
    
    > It's actually based on your Steam ID, and the lack of character customization is a deliberate design decision. It's hardly “reassignment” when the only option has been male by default until now.
    > 
    > Your character's visual attributes are determined using your Steam ID as a unique seed, in much the same way that different seeds cause Minecraft to generate entirely different maps.
    > 
    > One of the stated reasons for this is to prevent the “three hours of tweaking sliders to create a character in Skyrim” effect. Instead, when you start up Rust and join a server, you're simply in the game with no preamble bullshit, no long intro, no dozens of arbitrary and semi-meaningless decisions. You're just on the beach (or wherever) with a rock and one goal: survive.
    
    But you are ignoring the part of your community who enjoy spending “three hours of tweaking sliders to create a character”. I pretty much like to have choices. I absolutely don't mind playing a female, some people do and it would be fair to them if they could have control over it, rest of us that don't mind that will continue playing with whatever gender is assigned to them. I think it's important to have choices.
    
    PS: Character customization is neither meaningless nor pointless, it's fun and adds variety to the world around you. Many people dig that, I do too.

Then @elixwhitetail-legacy (elixwhitetail) said

    TacticalNerD:
    
    > But you are ignoring the part of your community who enjoy spending “three hours of tweaking sliders to create a character”. I pretty much like to have choices. I absolutely don't mind playing a female, some people do and it would be fair to them if they could have control over it, rest of us that don't mind that will continue playing with whatever gender is assigned to them. I think it's important to have choices.
    > 
    > PS: Character customization is neither meaningless nor pointless, it's fun and adds variety to the world around you. Many people dig that, I do too.
    
    Just for the record, I'm not a Rust dev, nor am I a moderator. I'm not ignoring “my” zhebert@example.com. I'm repeating reasons stated by the devs months and months ago when the various character options were first discussed, concepted, and started on, and people freaked the fuck out back then because their sacred right to full character customization was being discarded. It's worth noting that this is not an argument the devs have made lately, so they may not still be carrying this line of argument.
    
    The official statement in the latest devblog is “you didn't have a choice when you were born, either” (paraphrased, of course).

Then @DaleGribble-legacy (DaleGribble) said

    elixwhitetail:
    
    > The official statement in the latest devblog is “you didn't have a choice when you were born, either” (paraphrased, of course).
    
    I want to eli, i really want to…but we both know i cant…i wont…i wouldnt. I shouldnt, but I am…
    
    So since gender is a social construct, why cant we simply have the option to go FTM or MTF? Its perfectly reasonable to assume that a small percentage of newmans…im sorry…newpersons might suffer from a form of gender dysphoria as they progress through the game. I have a wonderful option…lets add it to the XP system as something you can train in to. :smug:
    
    Ill go sit in the corner now but lets please not make it a permanent stay

Then @mrknifey-legacy (mrknifey) said

    ~Seraphina~:
    
    > I did try Second Life, but there was nothing to actually do with the other people there except sit around. I like survival, diplomacy and having to work together with others for a common goal. This is why I love online survival games. =)
    
    (i was about to suggest SL too; although its been years since i was active there, there were a few survival rp sims out there with decent gameplay and communities. keep in mind it's not really a “game” engine, but they do a decent job with plugins. you just need to keep searching for the right group)

Then @_Seraphina_legacy (~Seraphina~) said

    DaleGribble:
    
    > So since gender is a social construct
    
    I'm guessing sexual orientation is a social construct too, then? 0.o

Then @gonepostal-legacy (gonepostal) said

    ~Seraphina~:
    
    > I erroneously thought they could open up a user database and change a simple variable.
    > 
    > I did try Second Life, but there was nothing to actually do with the other people there except sit around. I like survival, diplomacy and having to work together with others for a common goal. This is why I love online survival games. =)
    
    ARK will let you choose gender and race. It hasn't been around half the time as this game but is much better and when compaired on steam chart is doing a lot better. http://steamcharts.com/cmp/252490,346110#All Even Garry's Mod has been pushed down by ARK on the top 10 games list. http://steamcharts.com/ .

After which, @hadri-legacy (hadri) added

    I hope our gender doesn't change, I like having boobies!
    
    On that note, I wonder if mirrors are going to make it in…?

To which @Aragor-legacy (Aragor) replied

    I thought this thread really called for this :
    
    Seriously people, if this matter really bothers you that much, it probably means you're living a very tranquil life. Rejoice! You don't even see your toon 95% of the time anyway, just don't look left when you open your inventory.

Then @Grangoko-legacy (Grangoko) said

    ~Seraphina~:
    
    > yeah, I bought not knowing they didn't have female player models yet, and I played it for a bit and couldn't really immerse myself into it due to being a naked man. I'm a bit silly that way, but it just made it a bit ‘meh' for me as I play for RP and social purposes. Anyway, I liked the game but put it away for a while due to the gender thingy, but kept following the devblogs waiting for female characters to be implemented. Then later on, I read that it would be random. I found the concept kind of cool, and 50% chance of me getting the right gender. I figured if I didn't, I could just petition support and they'd fix it for me if I told them a little bit about myself and why it's a game-/immersion-breaker for me.
    > 
    > Turns out the only way to fix it, is to make a new account and repurchase the game there, and hope for the best. It'd help with a refund so I can repurchase, but I guess I'll have to wait for a sale on Steam and buy it again. and possibly again. =P It's a good game, though!
    
    Please, don't repeat the purchase of the game just because a skin, it may change along development. At some point you will get a woman model and I hope that then you play the game long enough to notice that the in game race and gender are not something game changing.

@StrangeWill-legacy (StrangeWill) replied

    someone223:
    
    > Why are you defending a lazy design decision?  
    >  Also it does have relevance, people like to play as character who resemble them otherwise character creators wouldn't exist.  
    >  And a deep manly voice coming from a female sounds really strange.
    
    I think it's one of the _best_ design decisions, so much anger over such a little thing.


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