@Eric_knight (Eric Knight) posted a new topic, subject "Doomsday On Demand 2 Discussion". It read:

   Well… Doomsday On Demand 2 is out and i already purchased it 
    
    Congratulation to @Myst on the release … I didn't actually start playing it in detail, will do that later on, but i notice why we don't need a save file from DOD  and i support your direction with it…
    
    Although i am sad that i won't meet  Lizzie again …i was really hoping to spend more adventure time with her, if romance time is not possible at ll… but now looking forward to Lilly and see how it goes 
    
    So far , the pacing seems great, much faster than DOD … action takes place immediately but  Why do i have to deal with Ivan again ??? 
    
    Looking forward to enjoy the Doomsday post-apocalyptic loneliness feeling once again …

To which @MichaelCrank (Michael Crank) replied

    Haven't purchased the full game yet but I really enjoyed what I've read so far. I was pretty surprised to see Ivan again after I vaguely remember killing him.

After which, @No_This_Is_Patrick added

    He's in your head. Kinda like Joker in Arkham Knight.

To which @No_This_Is_Patrick replied

    Don't get to invested in Lily

So @Eric_knight (Eric Knight) replied

    Really ? I just check the stats screen , saw a number of characters… thought Lily is set to be a romance option 
    
    but will read the full game carefully …

Then @No_This_Is_Patrick said

    She is I just meant the end. It pissed me off.

@Eric_knight (Eric Knight) replied

    Oh man… thanks for the warning, i will play through that route at least once and …well, just to have a sense of the feeling of lost ?

To which @No_This_Is_Patrick replied

    Apparently all the people we partnered with at the end of the first one just die in the beginning and our best friends are really significantly or relevant at all besides one or two scenes also they're probably dead to.

After which, @Eric_knight (Eric Knight) added

    That seems more like a Doomsday feel …  Alone in the End 
    
    I still haven't play it yet, but if what you mention is the only outcome … then perhaps playing DOD2 will make us cherish what we have in real life even more…, and to the extend that, we probably should cherish other lovable characters who we can love and keep by our side in other HG/CoG titles , that's the main reason i never chose the Evil path in all my gaming thus far… I prefer to let the fictional characters continue to “talk” to me

So @No_This_Is_Patrick replied

    No I chose to start with all the characters from the first one they either die or leave us.

@Eric_knight (Eric Knight) replied

    Hmmm… then i will see how my choice play out later

After which, @No_This_Is_Patrick added

    Also there's nothing to cherish when my characters mother abandons him again, his girlfriend gets turned into a flesh eating monster, and he's stuck with a crazy dude in his head.

So @Eric_knight (Eric Knight) replied

    No_This_Is_Patrick:
    
    > his girlfriend gets turned into a flesh eating monster,
    
    She couldn't be cured ?? We should ask @Myst to allow us to temporary cage her so that we develop a cure in Book 3…

So @No_This_Is_Patrick replied

    As fast as I'm aware you can't which isn't really fair and makes it seem pointless to romance anyone if they're just gonna die anyway. Also there's already a cure our character tried it on her, but it didn't work. Also I don't know if there is gonna be a part three.

@Eric_knight (Eric Knight) replied

    No_This_Is_Patrick:
    
    > Also there's already a cure our character tried it on her, but it didn't work.
    
    Is it depending on other stats or skills ? or it just mandatory didn't work ?
    
    No_This_Is_Patrick:
    
    > Also I don't know if there is gonna be a part three.
    
    Well…@Myst wants us to support his future game, so i think there is a chance

Then @No_This_Is_Patrick said

    I managed to save Lily.

So @Eric_knight (Eric Knight) replied

    How?
    
    SPoiler please

Then @No_This_Is_Patrick said

    Choose to go to the mad village thats the answer don't go anywhere else. Also refuse Ivans help can't trust him. Thats how you save her. For the happy ending with her and Keith also make sure to keep your radiation levels low before you meet the Oracle, also when that monster asks if you want to be cured (after you started her romance) always say no. Anyway when you meet the Oracle choose I wish to to leave this place do not choose to walk through the portal, kill him, or make a wish for Keith. I also I think it helps to be a good person.

To which @Captaincharisma_Ezhi (Captaincharisma Ezhil) replied

    There is a better ending than this ,you can live a normal life with Lily .

So @Myst replied

    I'd like to ask everyone here to keep revealed spoilers to the minimum, as it can heavily ruin someone's game to stumble upon a comment uncovering a critical part of the story. Please use [spoiler] [/spoiler ] for anything like that.
    
    @Eric_knight , since you've generously created the thread please add this suggestion along with a disclaimer regarding spoilers to the topic. Many Thanks!
    
    No_This_Is_Patrick:
    
    > As fast as I'm aware you can't which isn't really fair and makes it seem pointless to romance anyone if they're just gonna die anyway.
    
    If the person you chose, I suppose Lily in this case, have died because of your actions. Several endings include your chosen partner living by your side.
    
    I suppose there are several other secrets you can uncover, but not for the first play through, though. I understand your frustration regarding some aspects of the game, but some of your comments have stated that everything has only one possible outcome, and fixed things happen to people. For the majority, what happens only depends on you and your actions. Some things though, are fixed.
    
    Eric_knight:
    
    > Well…@Myst wants us to support his future game, so i think there is a chance 
    
    Currently I'm working on a different game, but if people find the need for a part 3 in any way, and I have a good idea of what to do with it, I'll get back to that. Since DoD and its world is the first bigger game I've made for a bigger audience, it stands close to my heart anyway, so it could be possible.

Then @Shin_Lee (Shin Lee) said

    what about the part where i choose to blow the skinless? should i blow them up or leave them?

So @Captaincharisma_Ezhi (Captaincharisma Ezhil) replied

    I don't think it has an effect.Havent tried that, they didn't attack me .

@No_This_Is_Patrick replied

    I'm not sure I always blow them up and everything goes fine for me so do it to be safe I guess.

Then @Shin_Lee (Shin Lee) said

    what about the doors? there are general's sacrifice, truth about Keith and Ivan's… I'd hate to choose the wrong choice

To which @Captaincharisma_Ezhi (Captaincharisma Ezhil) replied

    No effect too ,just a flash back

@Shin_Lee (Shin Lee) replied

    Thanks so much…

After which, @Eric_knight (Eric Knight) added

    Myst:
    
    > if people find the need for a part 3 in any way, and I have a good idea of what to do with it, I'll get back to that. Since DoD and its world is the first bigger game I've made for a bigger audience, it stands close to my heart anyway, so it could be possible. 
    
    That is great news… the universe of DOD really set up a foundation for multiple stories and spin-off in such a mesmerising Post-apocalyptic world , as i mention before Doomsday on Demand and Highway Wars are only 2 of the published HG/CoG which set in a post-apocalyptic world… and i think such setting has a huge potential among audience out there, for none HG/CoG title… there is of course the 7th and 8th continent , but i always feel those 2 games are lacking in the interactive fashion .
    
    Well, if there is a DOD3, i do hope the protagonist has a choice to continue his journey with his chosen companion, for my case…Lily 
    
    Or there can be a new protagonist who also live in the same universe with a different “mission”, perhaps trying to regain humanity like Eli in _**"The Book of Eli" ?**_ or leading his own military faction trying to “unify” or “purify” other continents 
    
    Back to DOD2, i haven't finish reading it yet…but i generally found that DOD2 is a _**massive upgrade**_ as compare to the original DOD, the story and the pacing in DOD2 is much more intense …most importantly there is a potential romantic drama out there. It is strange that… even though the word counts are said to be 135k, which many readers will consider it “short” but i really feel that i had wander into a long and sorrow journey for a long long time… maybe perhaps i set my mind too deep into the post-apocalyptic world with my own imagination of the landscape and the world in there, it make me feel "lost myself " whenever i start reading it… and the scenario also make me start comparing it with the movie Maze Runner 2 when the protagonist start venturing into abandoning city fill with mutants .
    
    Anyway, i really feel that the Doomsday on Demand universe has so much potential with lots of multiple story expansion … it will be great if you continue to write story of this universe

Then @Urban said

    Did Lizzie die?

@Eric_knight (Eric Knight) replied

    I think so, even if i chose the background of staying with her… in the earlier chapter of DOD2, it was flashback that enemies were chasing us till a hilltop, Lizzie push me down after giving me a tearful embrace… she then turn back to face the enemy on her own… i would think she must had die 
    
    I really hope that there can be adventure between my MC with Lizzie, but perhaps the previous characters won't fit in the current story ? I do have hope Lizzie will reappear in future , if there is DOD 3…

@No_This_Is_Patrick replied

    I don't want there to be a third book at least for this character. My MC finally got his happy ending. Him, Lily, and Keith are finally happy. After his father dies, his mother abandons him twice, torture from Ivan physically and mentally, and his best friend Abbie dies(who died even though she was alive at the end if Book 1) he deserves to be happy.
    
    If there is a third book I want it to be a new character someone older maybe instead of throwing new conflict and hardship at my _finally_ happy MC.

Then @Eric_knight (Eric Knight) said

    That is a good suggestion as well … because DOD universe had been made, it is huge … there certainly can be other adventures by different protagonist .
    
    Perhaps in DOD3 , we can choose a protagonist with different personalities and goals?
    
    Like we can be a chosen one like Eli who want to rebuild faith and humanity , or we can choose to become someone like King Arthur who tries to rebuild a nation ? 
    
    Anyway…i do hope i can meet with someone of Lizzie's personalities or to be precise, Sarah Kerrigan's personalities, who is willing to sacrifice anyone just to save the MC she loves

After which, @Myst added

    Eric_knight:
    
    > I really hope that there can be adventure between my MC with Lizzie, but perhaps the previous characters won't fit in the current story ? I do have hope Lizzie will reappear in future , if there is DOD 3…
    
    @Eric_knight @Urban
    
    There is a way to end up with Lizzie if you have ended up with her in DoD, and make your decisions accordingly. 
    
    Also, please be advised, that there is currently a small bug regarding Abbie. After a specific choice her gender pronouns turn to male. A fix is on the way regarding this issue.

Then @Langre said

    Finished the game and liked it even more then first chapter. Mysticism in post-apocalyptic world was really refreshing and interesting aspect to me.
    
    Though good ending for my MC (I chosed to just to leave during Oracle audience) doesn't feel like happy ever after, just a brief before another storm. So if in next DoD current MC will remain MC, it will be great. He is too cool and I'm feeling too attached to him to play for someone else.
    
    Though what is really saddens me that it seems impossible to save Ryan, and worst is circumstances of his death.

Then @Partyboiiipete (Javon ) said

    Hey I loved the first doomsday on demand but I can't find the second one. It's not on the hosted games app

@Myst replied

    I'm glad you enjoyed DoD, I hope you'll enjoy DoD2 as well.  
    It's currently only out for Google Play Store yet. It'll be out on other platforms as well, including Steam soon. I'll create a thread with links to the various platforms when that happens.

So @js2502 (jamess2502) replied

    Whens it out on COG/ steam? Cheers

Then @Myst said

    I can only estimate its release date. I would say some time the following week. I'll create a thread when it's out on every platform.

So @Mary_Duffy (Mary Duffy) replied

    It's being held up by forces outside our control.

@GenecoInheritor (Biagio Largo) replied

    All I can say was if my character was female I'd name her Ves at this rate

@GenecoInheritor (Biagio Largo) replied

    God Ducking Fammit. This game is Tish. It's the equivalent of trying to nail down a board with the hammer wedged firmly in your anus.
    
    TV Tropes
    
    ### Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy - TV Tropes
    
    It is often said that "conflict is the soul of drama". Without some form of conflict to fuel things there's no engine to drive the story and thus little reason to engage with it. However, we here at TV Tropes would like to propose an amendment to …
    
    “why haven't you left us it's the free room and board right?” Keith says no you ignorant pigtruck I'm still here because every single suicide attempt has been thwarted . Jesus Christ

To which @Eric_knight (Eric Knight) replied

    Hey … you are awesome !!! I finally met Lizzie, and she is as sweet as ever 
    
    @Urban , my apology …buddy , Lizzie LIVE!!! yahoooo…
    
    Oh heaven forbid … @Myst, you had made my head aching again , now i need to think who to choose between Lily and Lizzie again  since they are in different faction
    
    But i can see DOD2 is an Epic Post-apocalyptic Noir with multiple story line and endings , definitely worth at least few playthrough … and there at least an intriguing place which only can be visit out of certain outcome
    
    i am talking about that Crazed Village where we will only visit if we fail in the mission of killing Mafia bosses , that village gave me some goosebumps but at the same time i am intrigued by the residents there, they fully deserve some back story of their own… especially that woman who was praying for her faith, perhaps she can be a new protagonist's lost love in DOD3 ? 
    
    If you are planning a DOD3, that  crazed village  is an attractive base of story telling 
    
    Doomsday On Demand is a cruel and unforgiving universe much like the Maze Runner series , where there is no right or wrong decision every where … some may hate Teresa there , but i actually like her who just want to aim for a greater good

To which @Zodac01 replied

    So I don't really post a lot on here, but I guess I have a question that I'd like answered. I see by this post that apparently Doomsday on Demand 2 is out, however both on steam and on the choice of game website I don''t see it available. Is it only available somewhere else then, perhaps as an app for the iphone? For people who cannot use this as their medium for these games might this perhaps be released on steam or the website? Thank you for your time.

So @Eric_knight (Eric Knight) replied

    My apology for late reply
    
    From what i know, DOD2 currently only can be purchased from Google playstore…
    
    the other platforms such as Steam, Apple Store etc are said to have DOD2 available by this week, although that depend on confirmation …
    
    Well as usual Google Playstore is the most effective platform thus far

To which @Boodini replied

    Wooooo. I'm so shocked.  How can the google playstore be so efficient. Even faster than the main COG website!

To which @Alex_Parker_Roberts (Alex Parker Roberts) replied

    How did you get the happy ending

To which @Eric_knight (Eric Knight) replied

    @No_This_Is_Patrick had a spoiler which i can't copy and paste, it is something like  when you talk to the oracle, choose to leave, choose not accepting Ivan's help, choose Lily as your romance partner… i think in the end you should form a family with her, in addition this is currently my route … after my MC met my the mother chose to forgive her , and i gain a little sister who look up to me as hero… i already chose Lily as romance partner, although i am not sure whether i need to choose between her and Lizzie later on

To which @No_This_Is_Patrick replied

    Choose to go to the mad village thats the answer don't go anywhere else. Also refuse Ivans help can't trust him. Thats how you save her. For the happy ending with her and Keith also make sure to keep your radiation levels low before you meet the Oracle, also when that monster asks if you want to be cured (after you started her romance) always say no. Anyway when you meet the Oracle choose I wish to to leave this place do not choose to walk through the portal, kill him, or make a wish for Keith. I also I think it helps to be a good person.

After which, @GenecoInheritor (Biagio Largo) added

    Besides the eventual what goes around comes around ending is there finally getting to die ending??

So @Elseguard replied

    Ok so I started the game and am only at the part when “a character” first shows up and already knew it was an Arkham move. My big issue with the previous game and this one so far is that it pulls heavily/directly from other games. Like not just inspired by but kind of scene for scene and that bothers me alot.
    
    The first game's ending was pulled straight from Telltale's Walking Dead Season 2 and now it feels like DOD2's beginning is the same as in Telltale games where magically the person where you had to make a hard choice to end up with also is gone therefore kind of negating story elements/choices and now just adding the Arkham element. Just feels like someone just mashed all the games the played maybe recently into a story and not in an “inspired by” way.

To which @Chopper (Revan Nex) replied

    Elseguard:
    
    > The first game's ending was pulled straight from Telltale's Walking Dead Season 2
    
    That's how I felt with my ending (Malcolm being like a Kenny overprotective kind of middle aged man. And Lizzie being like the girl in the game urggghhh I forgot her name!) but I still enjoyed the ending and it was still fun to me.
    
    Am I the only one who enjoys Ivan's company…?

@Elseguard replied

    Jane, also it's worth noting that if you chose to save Lizzie in the first game Malcom even gives the same sort of old man/thank you for ending it for me speech that Kenny does. It's not so much that I hate the game or anything the writer is doing, it's more that…well I played this already and it was kind of done better cause the characters were more fleshed out compared to in this story. (that plus the fact that scenes are ripped wholesale from stuff kills it for me)
    
    Same for the whole Ivan bit. It's Joker from Arkham Knight but not as good. I'm hoping the story kind of focuses more on getting away from things like that as I read on.

To which @Eric_knight (Eric Knight) replied

    Elseguard:
    
    > It's Joker from Arkham Knight
    
    I had never play Arkham Knight, i am sure many out there never as well… So, to obtain an inspiration from a game shouldn't be an issue , it might be an honour for that game which the author took a certain degree of inspiration and turn it into a story for others to read some of the innovative idea (  i assume it is the scene with Ivan  )
    
    But on a different notes, i don't see our MC is any where similar to Batman… if it was the idea of having an inner voice who talk to ourselves , then this idea was not originate from Arkham Knight as well… Bates Motel had the protagonist imagining his mother talking to him and ordering him to commit all those crimes

So @Elseguard replied

    Inspiration is fine, wholesale ripping to me not so much. (To me I mean, its totally fine if others like this or don't see it this way cause they haven't played the game its coming from)
    
    I was sort of just talking about the inner voice, not the protagonist being the same. The similarity is the crazy psychopath/former antagonist tormenting the main character with jokes and threats. Feels very similar to me. (go take a look at youtube if you would like to see a visual of how it is. Should be searched by Arkham Knight Joker scenes I believe) Same for the ending of the first DOD, search up Telltale's Walking Dead Season 2 endings.

Then @Boodini said

    Personally, I feel like this game is somehow weirder or more disorientated than the previous one. Sometimes things happen so fast that you don't even have time to processes what happened before a new piece of chaos is william40@example.net. No offense, but, so many people are just so weird in this story, which makes the story funky.
    
    For example, almost nobody feels shocked at Keith's revival, the General is the only one who reacted, and his only reaction was to tell him that they are going to have a word together later, which is understandable, since he is such an experienced cool headed General, so seeing someone coming back from the dead must not be strange sight for him!
    
    But what I cannot understand is the doctor. Everything about him is weird! Did he kidnap MC's mother just because we wouldn't let him do experiments on us? Wow, that's a very adult and mature thing to do! Yeah, I'm just gonna kidnapper people and leave unnecessary riddles as clues so that the angry MC can come and kill myself! Yeah!.. I mean what even IS the meaning of this nonsense! I know he might just be mad because of all the nonsense going around him. But seriously? This little episode is just so random and weird.  
    (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
    
    Moreover, the existence of Ivan puzzles. I kinda get that he is sort of a ghost/reflection thingy that only exists in MC's mind but that doesn't explain how did he pull all these weird stunts he did. Like making things explode or killing a little girl and things like that.
    
    Also, not sure if its just a bug or pure weirdness, but somehow I ended up have 2 children with Matt despite being a male character. But, I guess have children between two males must not be a strange thing compares to all the other madness going on around them.
    
    Additionally, I was kinda disappointed that the MC couldn't be reunited with Brandom or his other friends earlier in the story. (sorry if I spelled his name wrong) And the only two RO options are the two random kids that are in a random group that suddenly pops which somehow the MC joined without complaints or hesitations!  
    (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
    
    I'm not saying that this game is bad or anything, it was quite interesting. But! There are just so many things that are unexplained and random in the book.

So @Eric_knight (Eric Knight) replied

    Alright …will have a look , i just realise that Arkham Knight is  Jason aka Red Hood 
    
    Boodini:
    
    > that doesn't explain how did he pull all these weird stunts he did. Like making things explode
    
    I don't think it was Ivan who did it, i believe it was the MC himself doing it … in one of the question  ask by MC to Ivan about blowing the things, Ivan mention it was us who did it…  so i believe it was the MC who did all that with his sub-conscious under the illusion of misguided by Ivan … It is similar to one of the episode of the fabled X-files , the detective who once captured a serial killer start adopting the personality of the killer he once captured and start killing with the same method, he claim he saw that demon doing all those horrible again during investigation… but in the end it was review it was himself all along who turn into the demon he once conquered …
    
    Boodini:
    
    > And the only two RO options are the two random kids
    
    If you meant Matt and Lily, they are not random kids, the group we join is the Son of Tomorrow, which has a background story in it  it is only logical that MC was captured by them while scavenging a city, it was already told by the military that the SOT already making ground to this territory… MC later chose to join them out of survival in a post-apocalyptic world   
    For me, the story line is very logic in its flow… i don't really understand the claim of randomness

After which, @GenecoInheritor (Biagio Largo) added

    The kids come from out of nowhere. We have a sister , a a girl from the first game and a female roommate who all have l names. There's that whole but where we train the two guys and that family who's getting mugged. It felt both scattershot as well be as emotionally draining.

@Myst replied

    What you've mentioned about Telltale's Walking Dead has been said after the initial release of Doomsday on Demand. That time I've also mentioned that I've not yet played Telltale's Walking Dead, but having played it since I can understand why people would refer to that. Hence why I've tried to stray as far from anything Telltale related as possible in DoD2. The Joker reference from Arkham Knight is new to me, though.
    
    I'm a bit flattered by the fact that you compare elements of the game to big, well known stories like those, but I was never fan of anything Batman related, so apart from knowing some well known characters of the story, I'm not familiar with what happens in them. Judging by your quick description of the Joker being in Batman's head, I can assume that you like Batman related stories, but Ivan is not just simply “in your head”.
    
    Please keep in mind that this is the 21st century. Most of the cliches and well known psychological elements have already been implemented several times. Creating something 100% unique and original is not really possible. There will always be moments and scenes where someone will say that “this reminds me to…”, even if you are not familiar with that actual story others refer to, and even if that specific aspect of the story should be understood in a whole different way (like comparing Joker to Ivan in this case). I hope you understand what I'm trying to say here, as I was always heavily against plagiarism. How could one be proud of their own work if it's ripped off other authors' ideas?
    
    On a side note…
    
    Eric_knight:
    
    > I don't think it was Ivan who did it, i believe it was the MC himself doing it …
    
    @Eric_knight
    
    I like how you easily solve some of the “mysteries” of the game.

Then @Elseguard said

    I understand. Maybe I should clear what I was trying to say up though. I did not mean there was really plagerism in the direct sense I guess, but more of a “Ooh I liked this scene so I shall make a scene like that” feel to it. Cliches aren't a thing that bothered me, like you say not much can be original at this point in time, its the fact that it was so similar with the endings in DoD1 that it was just hard to ignore.
    
    As for as DoD2, like I said I haven't finished the game yet but just with his intro I got the feeling of Arkham which isn't inherently bad but after experiencing DoD1 and how similar that ending was with Telltale's as well as how at the beginning of this sequel and the sequel to Telltale with the character that you chose to live at the end in both series disappearing/dying offscreen/in a flashback.
    
    So just kind of meant going forward I was expecting more of the same going forward in the story. You say you haven't played those other games and I have no reason not to believe you though.

So @Beaterxys replied

    Elseguard:
    
    > It's Joker from Arkham Knight but not as good
    
    And the MC is Batman. Ivan will rot.

To which @GenecoInheritor (Biagio Largo) replied

    “Join me kid and rule the world” no dude because “SOMEONE” made me immortal I have to wish for my immortality to be revoked.

@Myst replied

    As I said I completely understand what you were trying to say. I'm more than open to any form of criticism, because I believe that's how one develops. I'm not the kind of person who only listens to good praising words. However, what bothered me was the way you passed on your opinion and judgement as fact. The same thing is happening with choice-related opinions as well.
    
    You have all the right to compare other games/stories that you like, and think that other stories or games have influenced certain elements of my game, but you could try to form it as hypothesis of your own, or a question, rather than a quick judgmental fact. In the early days of DoD people have also mentioned that it's like Fallout 4, because it came out a bit earlier than DoD.
    
    Nevertheless, I hope you will get to enjoy the game.

So @GenecoInheritor (Biagio Largo) replied

    You made Ivan the absolute worst. In the first game my character was planning to kill him from the moment they met. The whole CARVING HIS NAME IN ME didn't earn him a reprieve. I Kinda thought Lizzy was my girlfriend after we escaped but her Calling me little brother in the sequel was a ball punch. Followed by us getting captured by Ivan market Deux and then having Ivan stuck in our head. So when we got the option to shoot the single bullet I chose myself. Only for that to be a mislead and then after making our protagonist slowly through absolute hell there was no simple " I want to die "option that was disappointing. Did you assume that anyone who survived constant atrocities would be like " suddenly I'm psychologically healthy and well adjusted. There really should have been a “I just want to die and stay dead” wish.

@Myst replied

    After reading through most of your comments, I think you have a valid point about being able to end up dead in the game. The will to live doesn't apply to everyone after long time of torment I guess. However, if I update the game accordingly, I will not add it under the Oracle part, for obvious reasons.
    
    I like your dark thoughts tho.

So @GenecoInheritor (Biagio Largo) replied

    I've done a lot of dark writing and depending on the games i have an certain perspective of my characters. DoD is like the spy's head from tf2  
    
    
    Heroes Rise original protagonist basically in my eyes became Injustice Gods Among Us Superman.  
    Open Season: she started her adventures protecting her sister but ultimately when her sister didn't need her anymore she lost her way.  
    Wayhaven: my character refuses to fall for anyone because she finds them barging into her life and ruining everything a pain in her ass. She's constantly annoyed by their antics.  
    Both games involving space pirates my character resists until being forced into slavery then just accepts that this is their life now.  
    In the of infinity series my character has become numb to death and bloodshed. Though he'll never marry ) if I have a say) he doess have some passion for women's rights.  
    Samurai of Hyuga : the Ronin is canonically f  
    Severely depressed and has no self esteem. And Masami is the only good thing in her life.  
    Fallen Hero: my character is on a suicide mission she plans to die destroying the people who experimented on her.  
    Community college hero: my girl was desperately trying to find her way . A dad who died in prison, a taskmistress mother. She didn't make friends easily. And when dirty girl showed her any kind of affection she became so desperate she'd do anything to impress her including hard drugs . She also has so much pain and anger inside she wants to Kill every super Villain.
    
    Tl:Dr I have a lot of free time to think and figure out my characters motivation.

Then @Chopper (Revan Nex) said

    I just finished my first playthrough and I teared up (with joy) at the end how I have split personalities with Ivan.
    
    Please make a third book! I would beta the sh*t out of it if you do! I need more!  can you save Ivan?   
    @Myst

@egene31 replied

    It may be as it seems however most of the ideas/concepts out there weren't entirely original. It comes down to who came out first and how it was executed. The thing which mattered most was how it was implemented. That's what really matters. A story could revolve around a protagonist living for revenge and end up falling for their sworn enemy, all this cliches but we still like them and enjoy it nonetheless. I'm a huge fan of Telltale games and I agree with you in some ways that DOD and TWD have similarities but so as the thousands of other apocalyptic games/stories/movies/TV shows out there. With that being said, I still get to enjoy DOD.

To which @Eden (Eden) replied

    Okay so ive replayed the book like 4 times and i love it i really do except all i want is a happy ending with Lily but i cant get that ending i just get other endings so when your with the oracle what option do you take ect and what are some key details i have to have to end up with a happy ending for both me and lily and keith please help

After which, @No_This_Is_Patrick added

    Choose to go to the mad village thats the answer don't go anywhere else. Also refuse Ivans help can't trust him. Thats how you save her. For the happy ending with her and Keith also make sure to keep your radiation levels low before you meet the Oracle, also when that monster asks if you want to be cured (after you started her romance) always say no. Anyway when you meet the Oracle choose I wish to to leave this place do not choose to walk through the portal, kill him, or make a wish for Keith. I also I think it helps to be a good person.

Then @Eden (Eden) said

    How do you keep radiation levels low?

To which @Eric_knight (Eric Knight) replied

    @Myst , i don;t want Ivan… I want more of Lizzie

Then @Chopper (Revan Nex) said

    @Eric_knight  
    I… helped Ivan kill Lizzie…

So @Eric_knight (Eric Knight) replied

    That is sad… me and Lizzie make a great ream

To which @GenecoInheritor (Biagio Largo) replied

    Whose reaming who in this scenario?

After which, @Elthuyu (Jose Gonzalez) added

    If any of ya would like to tell me how to get the secret achievements it would be much appreciated

After which, @Eric_knight (Eric Knight) added

    there are quite a lot of achievement
    
    but perhaps the most important one i can remember is  saving Lily, listen to Keith and go to mad village, don't listen to Ivan and choose to leave when meeting the oracle …
    
    @Myst, can you spoil me on how to save Lizzie ?

After which, @Myst added

    Hmm, if by saving her you mean ending up with her…  You have to side with her at the end of DoD (otherwise she's most likely dead already). Then on the way to the Oracle, she'll find you

Then @Chopper (Revan Nex) said

    Can you save Ivan??? I need answers!

After which, @Myst added

    About Ivan…  You can “save” him by staying with him in the end. Other than that, it's not quite possible due to certain… circumstances

After which, @GenecoInheritor (Biagio Largo) added

    If you add an “Lay your weary head to rest don't you cry no more” ending will you let us know?

After which, @Eric_knight (Eric Knight) added

    I need to choose jump off when i met Ivan right ? i chose follow him and i get an interesting ending… that ending has some philosophical value though  but now i need to replay again

Then @Myst said

    Yes, I'll update the main post which contains the release of DoD2. Will also mention it to you separately.
    
    @Eric_Knight Yes, you have to jump off to get a different ending.

After which, @Langre added

    In one of the endings  we meet a girl in a bunker who tells us that we told her that our name is Ivan and we gonna take over the world… So did Ivan possess us or something? With all that strange stuff going around he really could not be just in our head. This creeped me out very much.Can you uncover the secret of Ivan existence after death, please?

Then @Myst said

    I'd like to ask before I say anything…  How do **you** interpret Ivan's existence?

After which, @GenecoInheritor (Biagio Largo) added

    I assumed Ivan is a PTSD related hallucination possibly exacerbated by remote projection by The Oracle. The dude carved his name in me, traumatized the shit out of me, possibly killed me  
    Even as a teenager he's basically an abusive father who even when he's old and hunched and im towering muscle I'll still flinch when he raises his hand.

So @Langre replied

    Well, when we meet him again,  if I remember right, he said something like he finally found us or at least that's how I remember it. Also there were moments that's show us he can affect real world some way or another. So he really could be a creature like Oracle, I think. Aaand thus I believe he is not just in our head.

After which, @Eric_knight (Eric Knight) added

    Personally i think he is just a  memory or residue in our mind, he could be a residue of his own spirit…in scientific term residue is the remaining of a human's brain wave frequency that remain in this plane, still playing the “message” like a radio frequency… hence i would think it was Ivan's residue spirit that attach in our brain and mix with our brain frequency , in other word… this frequency could one day take over our own brain wave if we don't it

After which, @Black_Flamez (Black Flamez) added

    She can be cured I cured her and was about to leave just make sure to choose the right destination first try and when it ask if you want to put the guard in his place don't also I was a good guy during my play through not sure if that helps and final warning DON'T TRUST IVAN

Then @No_This_Is_Patrick said

    Yeah I figured that out.

Then @David_Lyr (David Lyr) said

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    Here's the thing, I somehow ended with Lily as my wife and Lizzie is with us in the end. You guys know something about this?

Then @Eric_knight (Eric Knight) said

    I didnt have that…  
    Must replay again

@Constant_HoLiDaY replied

    It felt like a mix of Arkham knight and black ops 1 with Reznov

@Ellvis (Ellvis) replied

    I really need to know… did all my effort to save Ryan go to waist and he ends up dead?? So far I have not gotten my question answered by the book and I really just want to kill my character to end his suffering, I feel that there's no point in continuing. I'm sorry but I have 0 interest in any of the new characters or the “magic”, It changed to fast and I didn't get so say goodbye.  
    I'd love to read the third one but whats the point if the ppl I cared about are dead? No one to live for  
    Maaan I'm getting really upset over this fictional world…
    
    Now thinking about it no one will probably respond cuz as I can see this thread is kind of dead nowadays. Will I ever know???

So @Xarthery (Keith Xarthery) replied

    With one of the endings You wake up as a 10 yr old again except in the city on the other side of the mountain away from the apocalypse  Which i think is the only good ending to me. The only new character i liked is Keith everyone else were characters i didnt like mostly because they were like “well we tried to kill you but you didn't die so care about our town now”
    
    Also Ryan can still be alive at the end of 2 if you chose to have him be the one you saved but your ending in 1 was that you died. He'll be one of the military guys
    
    Edit: and I didnt mind the “magic” it actually reminded me of Resident Evil 5 and 6 that i played a lot with my brother as a kid :3 but I do agree that a lot of things that happen is kinda depressing with what feels like no positive pay out for them overall. But like i stated this is why i see the ending i said is the only good one imo.

Then @Maskedlad (Phillip Hughes) said

    Hey new here and what not. But anyway I was wondering if there was anyway to keep Malcom alive? I haven't yet explored every possible way but I honestly don't want to have to shoot him in the head every time I pick him.
    
    Also awesome story so far.

To which @Xarthery (Keith Xarthery) replied

    I dont think so, unless I'm missing something. But when you attack the base where who ever is still alive from the first game is killed

Then @Maskedlad (Phillip Hughes) said

    Oh I see, thx for telling me bud. Just kinda sad since the dude honestly reminded me a bit of my grandpa and I grown on him lol.

Then @Xarthery (Keith Xarthery) said

    Wait! I just remembered! I think theres an ending  where Michael or Ryan and your childhood friend are on a team of people trying to blow up where the radioactive place is where you're going to get your wish. sorry its been so long since i played lol

After which, @Maskedlad (Phillip Hughes) added

    Lmao, your good mate. Was gonna do some late night reading anyway so I'll try a couple of the endings.

@Myst replied

    Hey @Maskedlad. I'm glad you enjoyed the story!
    
    There is an ending where Malcolm can remain alive as mentioned by @Xarthery also, maybe you've had the chance to reach that meanwhile.

@Sam1999 (Sam1999) replied

    @Myst Ivan back story made me cry way too many time, he is by far my favorite character.
    
    (HEAVY SPOILERS)
    
    I hope that he got reincarnated with his twin in a better place so I can stop wetting my pillow :,(((
    
    (Proof of a very good character)
    
    Also can we have a prequel game where it goes more in to detail about Ivan early life with his brother or maybe a sequel where he is reborn similar to one of the main characte's ending?? That would be epic
    
    With all love,  
    Sammy

Then @Christopher_Bull (Christopher Bull) said

    This book was big improvement from the first one while dealing with the aftermath of the first one even if u died. The only thing that annoys me that the mc is a guy. Why can't we select what gender we are? The mc isn't custom which takes away the feeling of it being u.
    
    Hopefully a third game comes out and addresses this issue in the form of a new mc.

After which, @Myst added

    Sam1999:
    
    > Also can we have a prequel game where it goes more in to detail about Ivan early life with his brother or maybe a sequel where he is reborn similar to one of the main characte's ending?? That would be epic
    
    Actually… I do have a shelved WIP prequel sitting around for a while now. The story revolves around Ivan and the events leading up to… destruction. Hopefully, I'll finish it one day 
    
    Christopher_Bull:
    
    > The only thing that annoys me that the mc is a guy. Why can't we select what gender we are?
    
    @Christopher_Bull
    
    I think I've mentioned this before in another thread a long time ago, though I'm not sure. At the time of writing the first one, I tried to keep it as realistic as possible despite the fantasy elements. Initially, you could have chosen your gender, but in the finished product I've removed that option, keeping in mind that if the same event were to occur in real life then the free-for-all attitude and the nature of some humans would probably have brought some negative effects for certain genders, and I didn't want to address that in the story.
    
    In my new story and WIPs however, you have more freedom regarding that choice.


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