 serviceman commits any kind of thing, you know there are procedures.
13 can be executed if found guilty.
15 please give me an explanation.
4 that he penalise, be the judge and jury in this case and punish someone.
7 weren't trained as active duty officers ever.
14 for any crimes committed?
17 have you ever heard of anything like that happen?
18 A. I doubt that anything like that ever happen.
22 A. No, I know of no example on any side.
24 not the case. But that's how things stood. Very well, Mr. Stoparic.
3 man power was hampering normalisation of life in the area?
6 withdrawing from the territory and another brigade coming in.
7 Q. Yes. And they started transporting the volunteers back to Serbia.
9 A. Yes they did start that in Leva Supoderica over several days.
10 Q. In three days.
11 A. It was disbanded many stayed on but during that week many left.
12 Q. But in the space of three days the bulk left for Serbia?
13 A. Yes, the bulk did.
17 organised transport because I lived 30 kilometres away from my own home.
20 to go to Belgrade to command there. Isn't that right?
24 in Vukovar.
1 volunteer. Do you remember that he stayed on to live in Vukovar?
2 A. He lived in Vukovar for a years. I think Solobodan Katic too?
3 Q. Yes, Slobodan Katic lived in Vukovar.
4 A. He got married?
7 he not?
11 my promises during the heat of the cross-examination.
17 that detail. Slobodan Katic stayed on to; you confirmed that yourself.
21 A. Yes, we saw a document to that effect, I believe.
25 proposals to?
1 A. Well, I think that's what I said, something along those lines.
9 Q. That he could make proposals like that? All right, fine.
14 the time. All I knew was that something was going on.
15 Q. But Kameni was very excited, he was angry, he was nervous, right?
16 A. Well, you could describe it that way.
23 even what he told me later on coincides with what I saw at the time.
24 Q. Now did Kameni always condemn the crime?
25 A. Yes, he always said that it was quite ludicrous.
1 Q. That it should never have happened?
2 A. Yes, that kind of meaning.
4 could have taken part in that crime since you knew him very well?
9 papers, in actual fact.
14 between me myself as his friend and Ovcara. Is that clear to you?
18 JUDGE ANTONETTI: [Interpretation] Mr. Seselj, you wear two hats.
20 as a lawyer. And now I'm addressing the lawyer in you.
25 account for this conviction.
2 have it, is it a reasoned one or not?
12 Mr. Kameni is guilty or not.
18 are a bit more leading in the cross-examination stage.
20 connection with Velepromet?
24 links of the kind that you ask about.
2 Mitrovica. Is that right? Are you following me?
5 cetera? You never even posted guards there from your detachment, right?
7 the front line.
10 necessities for daily life?
13 assign him to Velepromet?
14 A. Yes, to the military.
16 was to be taken?
18 Q. And you never kept a soldier yourself prisoner?
21 from Velepromet?
22 A. Later.
24 prisoner, snatched him as it were, from the place?
1 Q. So this has nothing to do with your detachment?
6 of Vukovar? That is after Ovcara, right?
7 A. He was not a member -- a member after that?
8 Q. That is several days after the liberation of Vukovar?
11 of November?
14 was celebrating.
20 mentioned before, it excludes the Bench from receiving the information.
22 very fast here in dealing with this topic, which is an important one.
7 the unit you were in charge of.
8 Is that how we should understand things?
10 fall or liberation of Vukovar, he was removed by the unit commander.
16 into a well.
20 had been removed.
23 clear now.
4 of speech.
10 was celebrating and that he was a member.
12 was in your staff actually saved this prisoner?
14 speak back, talk back, contradict Topola.
16 interpreter did not actually hear the witness.
19 the break?
24 taking volunteers back to Serbia?
7 used to lubricate the weapons or the smell of black powder and similar.
8 Did you see that here?
9 A. I read the first two statements completely.
11 basis of these first two statements. Do you think that they are truthful?
19 the way they were taken back to Serbia.
22 detain or arrest any of them or similar?
25 because of the fall of Vukovar.
3 them had stolen any washing machines or cooking ranges or TV sets.
6 it strict in connection with the liberation of Vukovar?
9 relaxed. Later it grew into a more strict border crossing point.
10 Q. Could anyone take out any stolen goods?
11 A. At this crossing yes, but not always.
13 exporting anything stolen from Vukovar?
14 A. Well, had I seen that?
20 some technical equipment that is worth more, then it had to be organised?
21 A. Well, I didn't see anything of the kind.
22 Q. So you didn't see that.
4 place, but this is where I saw him.
5 Q. We do not need the exact date. Was it in the beginning of 1992?
6 A. I don't know. I may have been joined even in Vukovar.
7 Q. In Vukovar?
8 A. I cannot remember. It may have been the case.
11 A. Well, maybe, I'm not quite sure where I joined.
15 A. Well, we the commanders, the komandiri, we all did that as a rule.
17 did you do that on a voluntary basis because you wanted to?
18 A. No, I wanted to. I explicitly wanted to.
22 A. Yes, I did go. I don't know to which terrain.
24 Vakic in Herzegovina. Did you not?
3 took place before that.
7 A. From Bubanj Potok to the airport and then to Bihac.
8 Q. But not as a member of the Serb Radical Party?
9 A. With a mediation of the Serbian Radical Party.
22 of the Serbian Radical Party?
7 was a member of whose party.
14 member of a party.
17 soldiers in that unit who were not members of any party?
20 member of any party and I don't believe he is to this day.
25 you please be so kind as to tell me how much time we have?
6 two dialects: The Ekavian and Ikavian?
10 A. Yes. That's the area I was born in and that's how I speak.
11 Q. But you do understand Ikavian?
15 understand, right?
19 Q. Do you know what the word Postrojba means?
20 A. Unit.
21 Q. Do you know what Satnija means?
22 THE INTERPRETER: Kindly slow down.
1 Q. Regiment? No, Mr. Stoparic, it means company.
2 A. I know it's a military term.
7 see the sign showing that the word is not recorded and it's ignored.
10 THE ACCUSED: [Interpretation] It is very important, Judge.
15 that it meant regiment and I said to him that it meant company.
17 Q. Now what is the rank of Satznik? It must be captain, right?
19 the most.
22 words mean, the word Pozornost?
23 A. To look carefully, to observe carefully.
25 you don't that expression?
7 your statement because you never spoke that way?
9 asphalt or road but I don't speak that way.
10 Q. Kolovoz means August in this sense, the month of August.
11 A. It also means road.
13 are not your words and that they could not be included in your statement?
14 A. Well, I don't talk that way so how can that be my statement.
16 and it cannot be in my statement. Is that what you would have said?
17 A. Most probably that is what I would have said.
18 Q. However, what I have here is your statement.
5 such as -- or words that a Croat would use. Is that how things happened?
9 call B/C/S.
12 would tend to use - how shall I put it? - B/C/S or Serbian?
20 paragraphs of his statement. Do you have that document? It is marked.
22 designation. It's a total of six