 made? What was wrong with that? If a contract was offered a few weeks later he hadn't signed then fair enough I say as Ross was obviously hesitating. For whatever the reason.
Who issued a very public deadline? - "Go on Ron you tell em" Again. What's wrong with that? Koeman was repeatedly asked about Ross. Koeman wanted to know where he and Everton stood as they were obviously planning for the following season.
Who repeated the threat he would be sold "100%" - Why the fuck would he do that? I counter, why wouldn't he? That was when they returned to pre season if I'm not mistaken and it was in reply to 'Will Ross be sold?' question.
Who (when all other concerned parties have maintained a dignified professional silence) has open his gob to the press..repeatedly? When he's been repeatadley asked over and over again. Again, what's wrong with answering the questions as honestly as he can?
Who then, was forced into a humiliating climb down "when I said he was100% going, what I REALLY meant was 50%.. ish..maybe less..He could well be staying..who knows?" Now you're just making stuff up to suit your warped world. He said Ross was a good player and would be part of the team if he is still here. Very different to your version of made up events.
Koeman has his faults, none more so than team selections right now but your constant bashing and trying to fit arguments into that mantra is embarrassing. Even by your standards.
79 Posted 15/08/2017 at 07:57:23
I agree, he has been offered the contract and turned it down. His prerogative. What does a club do in them circumstances? "Errrm we were only kidding the offer is really £20k per week more than that."
Bottom line is there are no takers at 50p ― never mind £50 million. Not one single bid to date. Despite the speculative comments that you will see how good he is when all the top clubs come in for him.
80 Posted 15/08/2017 at 07:58:33
How about Koeman's approach was "Somewhat absurd", if that were the intention? Because, look at the outcome.
He must think all the other players cannot improve whatsoever, or he must think they've all improved hugely. I suspect he'll think all "His" purchases cannot be improved any further, too.
This is my point. Excuses for Koeman, accusation for Barkley.
81 Posted 15/08/2017 at 08:16:08
82 Posted 15/08/2017 at 08:16:31
Maybe he's kept his council because he fears the backlash he might get if he reveals that he wants to go, a la Rooney all those years ago and more recently but to a lesser extent Lukaku, especially if he intends to do it on a free?
83 Posted 15/08/2017 at 08:18:51
Keep him and don't play him unless he signs; there's enough midfielders to cope without him.
It's World Cup year and he needs to play.
84 Posted 15/08/2017 at 08:21:47
85 Posted 15/08/2017 at 08:24:34
I seem to remember many years ago Bill Kenwright initially making statements inferring Wayne Rooney wouldn't be sold, then valuing him at £50 million, then selling for less.
Not surprised he is keeping quiet- He suffered alot of stick... :!
86 Posted 15/08/2017 at 08:27:36
Now, all that's going to happen is no-one will buy him or pay him what he demands... so he will leave for free next year, the club will get zilch. I say make him captain of the Under-23s and leave him there for the whole season.
87 Posted 15/08/2017 at 08:31:26
Koeman has put his foot in his mouth on more than one occasion. Maybe it's his blunt way, maybe it's his English, who knows. He didn't get Everton at first, he didn't get that when you talk about us your say "we" not Everton. I think he's learning though. He should have treated Lukaku the same as Barkley. Double standards is wrong. Lukaku coasted as much as Barkley. I think other players have improved under Koeman. The defence certainly has. The attack not so much. He as got rid of a lot of the attack so that says much for them.
I guess he wanted Barkley to improve and maybe hoped that he would with a verbal rocket in public. However, that failed as has most other things to get Barkley to be consistent. One off games that he shines doesn't make him a superstar. He has no heart. He has a lot of talent up showcases it against the likes of Bournemouth and the likes and only seldom. In no big game has he starred and taken the game to the opposition. He scored a couple of decent goals against Man City but then did nothing else during the game.
Ross is not a big game player. In the derby last year all he did was try and kick the RS off the park, lucky not to be sent off. Koeman sees what a lot of us see, a player with a lot of talent just not prepared to put the hard yards in to fully utilise that talent. A waste really. Maybe that's why Koeman fell,out with him. Barkley is not a kid, he's not an up and comer he's a veteran of over 150 games and he's still not a consistent performer.
If he has had his nose put out of joint with Koeman telling it like it is then I don't want him at the club anyway. Somebody who cries everything he's had something bad said against him, no not for me. Caves in too easily, no fight in him, no ill show you attitude.
Alas he's now injured and we shall be stuck with him for another 6 months. This is a bit like Deulofeu, the longer he doesn't play the better he becomes. All those shite games where he sauntered around, let the opposition dance around him and created absolutely nothing when it really mattered just disappear to be replaced with a parallel universe Ross Barkley where he shines in every match and he is the saviour of Everton FC. He doesn't want to be here so wish he would just go and find another club as soon as.
88 Posted 15/08/2017 at 08:34:49
It just gets old to hear the same old diatribe. Many are working hard to defend what Koeman actually has said, and working equally hard to speculate at what might be Barkley's thinking.
89 Posted 15/08/2017 at 08:42:16
We are all different and have to be managed differently. Ross has had a few managers with very different styles and none seemed to have cracked it.
Twice in my career I've been told to "shape up, or ship out" - once in private, once in public. In the public scenario the actual words used were much stronger and began and ended in 'f'.
Both times my performance the following year have been my best two performances in my career. So, I clearly react to being challenged in that way, I don't think Ross does. But then again being oiled up by Martinez didn't work either so is it really down to the manager? I think the problem lies much closer to home.
90 Posted 15/08/2017 at 08:44:52
91 Posted 15/08/2017 at 08:48:12
Followed by, "He has until the transfer window opens."
Followed by, "He will be sold 100%."
THEN
"Okay, he will stay and be part of the team and the best XI will start the game." "I respect every personal ambition of every player, but still... He is training with Everton." "If there is an offer maybe the club does not accept. He is a really good player."
Yeah, you guys are right; No U-turn to see here. Some classics being posted here; "reportedly"... is that really the best you can do?
"No takers at 50p never mind £50M." There's a fantastic looking Aston Martin in the showroom off the drive. Strangely enough, nobody has been prepared to make a complete twat of themselves by offering 50p for that either.
People falling over themselves to back this manager, no matter what, will have to be very careful not to contradict him – "If there is an offer maybe the club does not accept". The club want £50M. Any claims that there have been no discrete inquiries or cheeky bids are just pure finger-in-the-air guesswork.
92 Posted 15/08/2017 at 08:56:48
93 Posted 15/08/2017 at 09:00:14
Why wouldn't he Darren? As I alluded to in my post, to which the first line of this post is part of your reply, is it not completely and unarguably the case that he was going to be sold. (Failing an unforseen injury, nuclear war) etc etc
There's no way even YOU surely can come up with a different plan for a player who WON'T sign a new contract, who has ONE year left on his present contract, and who has stated that he wants a NEW CHALLENGE. (Obviously with a new club)
Now anyone who thinks that anything other than