0fd8a116_st_with_Ron_Jacobs___Channel_9__Transcript
[Speaker] Martin [Start Time] 0:22:50.5 [Transcript] 
[Ian: Embrace pain.][laugh] Yeah, what, they can get pain early, while you’re still able to deal with it. The worse thing to do is to have it a when you are in rush and you got a hell lot of things to do, and also do little bits of pain at a time so it gradually builds up and you learns techniques, you can apply those techniques steadily and then you’ll figure out how to cope and it’s just the same is with integration. Integration used to be a big pain for lots and lots, and it still is of course for lots and lots, of projects.
ARCast - The Evolution of Architecture with Martin Fowler | ARCast with Ron Jacobs | Channel 9
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