0fd8a116_st_with_Ron_Jacobs___Channel_9__Transcript
[Speaker] Martin [Start Time] 0:03:23.6 [Transcript] 
Yeah! I mean... It’s a... it’s a very basic level. A good example of this is refactoring, which obviously something I’ve been long interested in. For a long time people really weren’t interest in how you would change an existing code base! Um… Change with code base was a kind of seen as a necessary evil, um... preferably to be minimized and ALWAYS one would expect it would make things worse.
ARCast - The Evolution of Architecture with Martin Fowler | ARCast with Ron Jacobs | Channel 9
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