if you live in or near spring, texas or plan to visit, come join the fun and learn at the same time. they will generally make in between 25k and 35k. the cruise ships will tender you into town. once you have seen them, you will want to see more, and more. i start by taking the dough out of the refrigerator to warm up just a bit. floor feels solid, but have not yet done the "jump test". i have to say i shared their view, though my reasons were somewhat different. 