nor is it something that takes only a couple hours here and there in order to be successful. just separate them before, got it! we just ran and shouted into the cold. yeah i mean at the end of the day nobody can force you to say something. is there not any peanut butter in the muffins, other than the chips? most of us as we were in this situation could be too weak to drag ourselves out to the snow. i'm getting good feedback and will now pay a few bucks for the first chapter, and then keep trying with web-links. 