i did have to had a very thin fabric to the bars to give the thinner fabrics an edge to grip, and with velvet fabric i should have used a larger frame to prevent a ridge. you could keep them from eating you!" please use your account name and password for access. however, i don't know if i could work full time or not. however, my poles also have full skis on the ends of them. im going to cheat & use canned beets. how much can you put in here though? it does some other things, too. 