we hope to have fresh cider in one to two weeks. he finds them, but he had to make a long trip and return to the place from whence he started. at this point, all parties are committed to the sale. most of us are average, a few of us are ugly, and a tiny number of us are beautiful or handsome. we also went to check out the waterfalls which was a good hike. the last thing that you can do is to end up in a situation where you have to travel a long distance just to get the training. 