grabbing and dragging, or grabbing and pushing, was more often observed in stereo than in non-stereo conditions. however, just like with any other pet, you need to have a lot of patience with them especially when training them. a place for me to share my thoughts and interests. too steep and you face of falling backwards off of the wall; too shallow as well as your weight may make the base on the ladder slide out from under your bring the ladder along with your body crashing to the bottom below. so sitting here waiting for the arrival of the star guest. 