the ground was so stony, i could not plant all of them as deep as ideal, which would have been with only the tip above ground. i have the crown ring and love it!! i agree with your comments that operating cost is very high. have a bottle for both upstairs and down! it can save you pretty good amount of money on any goods and services in reality. how do we know this diet is so healthy? whole process is fairly easy and far less of a hassle then a standard loan. 