please use "patina on copper" in the search engine at the top of the page. let’s think about this, thousands of houses are on the market eventually they will be sold. then click "send" and you're done! i'm looking at using them on one or more projects so may get a pair for testing in the not-to-distant future. if you can receive, you can also send. so i am showing it off for all the see. there were so many hosts out there, but i figured i'd take a chance. for phase 2 the cap is almost the same as the average. 