i will let you all know early next week what his results are. i took the bat , put it over dad’s saw horse, took his buck saw and sawed it in two pieces. will check out those links you gave me to threads of fish being caught this season. each page can be and should be at the state of the art in terms of its content. the caterpillars will hatch in one to two weeks, they will be black and tiny as a mosquito. it is hard to be the person we want to be. 