i’m in total agreement with 4c or closer. use a toothpick to score a 3 by 4 inch oval in the center of the cake. but the more i thought about it, the more it made sense. "we talk about for us to have our best chance, we have to play clean baseball". if another four weeks go by we will reduce it a further ten percent. beat the crowd and buy now. if so another vinegar soak for a longer time is needed, then 10 to 15 minutes more. 