Jean-Pierre Changeux and Alain Connes, Conversations on Mind, Matter, and Mathematics, translated by M. B. DeBevoise, Princeton University Press, 1998,
dʒˈiːnpɪˈɛɹ tʃˈeɪndʒʌ ænd ɐlˈeɪn kˈɑːnz, kɑːnvɚsˈeɪʃənz ˌɔn mˈaɪnd, mˈæɾɚ, ænd mˌæθɪmˈæɾɪks, tɹænslˈeɪɾᵻd baɪ ˈɛm. bˈiː. də bˈɛvɔɪs, pɹˈɪnstən jˌuːnɪvˈɜːsᵻɾi pɹˈɛs, nˈaɪntiːnhˈʌndɹɪd nˈaɪnti ˈeɪt,