dˈʊɹɹɪŋ ðɪs tˈaɪm, lˈʌdwɪɡ mˈɛt sˈɛvɹəl tˈaɪmz wɪð ɹˈaɪnhɑːɹd mjˈuːəlɚ mˈeɪliz, ɐn ˈɑːɹt kɹˈɪɾɪk ænd hɪstˈoːɹiən.
During this time, Ludwig met several times with Reinhard Mueller Mehlis, an art critic and historian.