hiː mˈɛt mˈɛni tˈaɪmz wɪð mændˈɛlə ɪn ˈɔːɹdɚ tʊ ɪnfˈɔːɹm hˌɪm ɐbˌaʊt ðə pəlˈɪɾɪkəl sˌɪtʃuːˈeɪʃən aʊtsˈaɪd ðə pɹˈɪzən ænd ɐdvˈaɪz hˌɪm ˌɔn hˌaʊ tə nᵻɡˈoʊʃɪˌeɪt wɪððə sˈaʊθ ˈæfɹɪkən pɹˈɛzɪdənt pˈiː. dˈʌbəljˌuː. bˈoʊθə.
He met many times with Mandela in order to inform him about the political situation outside the prison and advise him on how to negotiate with the South African president P. W. Botha.