hiː spˈɛnt ðə jˈɪɹz nˈaɪntiːnhˈʌndɹɪd nˈaɪnti fˈaɪv nˈaɪntiːnhˈʌndɹɪd nˈaɪnti ˈeɪt ɪn ˈeɪ "spˈɪɹɪtʃˌuːəl miːˈændɚɹɪŋ", ɐbˌaʊt wˌɪtʃ hiː sˈɛd, "bˌiːɪŋ ɐn ˈɑːɹɾɪst ɪz nˌɑːt ˈɔːl kɹiːˌeɪtˈɪvᵻɾi.
He spent the years 1995 – 1998 in a "spiritual meandering", about which he said, "Being an artist is not all creativity.