sˈɜːvɪŋ æz ðə kwˈaɪɚ dᵻɹˈɛktɚ, hiː mˈɛt lˈiːsə hˌuː ˌɪntɹədˈuːst hˌɪm tə hɜː hˈʌsbənd fˈɪl vˈɪʃɚ ænd hɪz fɹˈɛnd mˈaɪk nˈɔːɹɑːki hˌuː wʊd lˈeɪɾɚ kˈoʊfˈaʊnd bˈɪɡ aɪdˈiə ˌɛntɚtˈeɪnmənt.
Serving as the choir director, he met Lisa who introduced him to her husband Phil Vischer and his friend Mike Nawrocki who would later co-found Big Idea Entertainment.