bᵻtwˌiːn tˈuː θˈaʊzənd fˈoːɹ ænd tˈuː θˈaʊzənd θˈɜːtiːn, hiː wˈɜːkt fɚðə lˈiːɡ mˈænɪdʒɚz ɐsˌoʊsɪˈeɪʃən, mˈɛntoːɹɪŋ nˈuː mˈænɪdʒɚz ænd kˈoʊtʃᵻz.
Between 2004 and 2013, he worked for the League Managers Association, mentoring new managers and coaches.