hiː ɹᵻmˈɛmbɚd hˌɪm æz ˈeɪ "ɡɹˈeɪt fɹˈɛnd" ænd æz æn "ˌɪntəlˈɛktʃuːəl dɪzˈɜːvɪŋ ɡɹˈeɪt ɹᵻspˈɛkt" ænd ɹᵻkˈɔːld ɐ mˈiːɾɪŋ wɪð hˌɪm ɪn nˈaɪntiːnhˈʌndɹɪd nˈaɪnti fˈaɪv nˌɪɹ ðɪ ˌɔːɹɪnˈoʊkoʊ ɹˈɪvɚ ɪnwˌɪtʃ ðeɪ tˈɔːkt ɐbˌaʊt ðə stɹətˈiːdʒɪk loʊkˈeɪʃən ʌv vˌɛnɪzwˈeɪlə ænd ðɪ ɪmpˈoːɹtəns ʌv fˈoʊkəsɪŋ hɪz fjˈuːtʃɚ pˈɑːlɪsi ˌɔn sˈaʊθ ɐmˈɛɹɪkə ɪnstˈɛd ʌv nˈɔːɹθ ɐmˈɛɹɪkə.
He remembered him as a "great friend" and as an "intellectual deserving great respect" and recalled a meeting with him in 1995 near the Orinoco river in which they talked about the strategic location of Venezuela and the importance of focusing his future policy on South America instead of North America.