ɪn nˈaɪntiːnhˈʌndɹɪd ˈeɪɾi wˈʌn, hiː tɹˈævəld wɪð stˈiːvən ɡˈæskɪn ænd ɪnɐ mˈeɪ ɡˈæskɪn tə nˈuː zˈiːlənd tʊ ɐtˈɛnd ɐn ɪndˈɪdʒənəs fˈɛstɪvəl æt næmbˈæsə, wˌɛɹ hiː dᵻlˈɪvɚd ɐ nˈʌmbɚɹ ʌv lˈɛktʃɚz ænd wˈɜːkʃɑːps.
In 1981, he traveled with Stephen Gaskin and Ina May Gaskin to New Zealand to attend an indigenous festival at Nambassa, where he delivered a number of lectures and workshops.